I won't ever be involved with anyone who is involved in an abortion, but that's as far as I believe I have a right to take it, and definately not a fellow traveller of conservative Christians nor their agenda that often imposes on my freedoms, but their money is green, and the oposition to this ad is pure desire for censorship.

Let them air it. I'd prefer not to see any bloody fetus' during the Super Bowl (salsa and all), but Tebow aint changin' my opinion on the subject. Maybe she should have done it, maybe tOSU would have another championship if he doesn't play.

People are pissed about it because in 2004, the United Church of Christ tried to run ads about their openness to allowing gays to worship in their church. CBS rejected that ad because it was "advocacy" and said they do not run "advocacy ads". Of course, that was just BS. Hypocritical, but what do you expect? Not sure why people are so up in arms about it, though.

exiledbuckeye wrote:People are pissed about it because in 2004, the United Church of Christ tried to run ads about their openness to allowing gays to worship in their church. CBS rejected that ad because it was "advocacy" and said they do not run "advocacy ads". Of course, that was just BS. Hypocritical, but what do you expect? Not sure why people are so up in arms about it, though.

I think it comes down to a business decision, CBS didnt have a problem filling that slot in 2004, they do now. So certainly hypocritical, I did hear something about them claiming they didn't have a policy against them anymore. I have also heard they say they still have ad space open if an opposing group wanted to take out an ad. Its all about making money, they cant be picky now.

Concerning the ad, it is ridiculous to get up in arms about it. Who doesn't agree that less abortions are better? (except Mitch in Tebow's case) Isn't part of Planned Parenthood's mission statement to make abortions safe, legal and rare?

I find it absolutely hilarious that networks which advocate sex, drug usage, drinking, etc... in both commercials and their shows would be then ridiculed for allowing this kind of advertisement onto television. Double standard. Don't want to see the ad, change the channel.

"It's all about winning for me, and I think the Cavs are committed to doing that," he said. "But at the same time I've given myself options to this point, and like I said before, me and my team, we have a game plan that we're going to execute, and we'll see what we get."

“An ad that uses sports to divide rather than to unite has no place in the biggest national sports event of the year—an event designed to bring Americans together,” said Jehmu Greene, president of the media center.

What a bunch of BS. This add only "divides" people because it conflicts with the media center's beliefs. This is ridiculous. There's absolutely no reason that they shouldn't air this add. We aren't talking about fetuses and propaganda here (as far as I can tell).

And I am firmly planted in the right to choose group. This add will NOT change my mind. But trying to censor it because you disagree with the message is bullshit.

“An ad that uses sports to divide rather than to unite has no place in the biggest national sports event of the year—an event designed to bring Americans together,” said Jehmu Greene, president of the media center.

What a bunch of BS. This add only "divides" people because it conflicts with the media center's beliefs. This is ridiculous. There's absolutely no reason that they shouldn't air this add. We aren't talking about fetuses and propaganda here (as far as I can tell).

And I am firmly planted in the right to choose group. This add will NOT change my mind. But trying to censor it because you disagree with the message is bullshit.

"It's all about winning for me, and I think the Cavs are committed to doing that," he said. "But at the same time I've given myself options to this point, and like I said before, me and my team, we have a game plan that we're going to execute, and we'll see what we get."

They should air it, much to some people's surprise I actually support gay marriage. I am not hard line conservative on some social issues. Let them be and air their ad.

p.s. but since we are discussing dating sites, this came to me a while back, tell me if this isn't a million dollar idea. If anyone wants to help me make it work we can do it. So I want to start a dating site called STDating.com that would match people of like STD's. That way they don't have to have the awkward conversation of admitting they have a STD and their is no added danger of catching that disease. Thoughts?

There really isn't any way to explain why I knew it existed that won't get ripped on so... Don't air the gay marriage ad. At least the abortion issue is a somewhat split pro/con. The gay marriage one is just so against public opinion, and I just can't stand small loud groups yelling about their quasi-problems like we should all feel sorry for them. As long as all the government benefits are equal, accept your civil union and please shut the hell up.

CBS has the right to air or not air the commercial regardless of their decision on the abortion ad, or my opinion on the matter...

"When a man with money meets a man with experience, the man with experience leaves with money and the man with money leaves with experience."

There really isn't any way to explain why I knew it existed that won't get ripped on so... Don't air the gay marriage ad. At least the abortion issue is a somewhat split pro/con. The gay marriage one is just so against public opinion, and I just can't stand small loud groups yelling about their quasi-problems like we should all feel sorry for them. As long as all the government benefits are equal, accept your civil union and please shut the hell up.

CBS has the right to air or not air the commercial regardless of their decision on the abortion ad, or my opinion on the matter...

Damnit, there goes my path to millions.

The ad isnt about gay marriage as far as I know... it is for a gay dating site. I am not sure they have any desire to bring up the issue.

Ah, in that case I am against gay dating sites, and dating site commercials as a whole. I don't think anyone wants to sit through anymore eHarmony commercials. I know I want to buy more guns when I see that commercial...

"When a man with money meets a man with experience, the man with experience leaves with money and the man with money leaves with experience."

I think Jesus is the more pro ready QB. Good throwing motion, quikc release. My only question is his hands and feet, I think those are the only holes in his game. He's been know to pull off the odd miracle too.

I think Jesus is the more pro ready QB. Good throwing motion, quikc release. My only question is his hands and feet, I think those are the only holes in his game. He's been know to pull off the odd miracle too.

From what I heard, his only claim to fame is the Hail Mary. Interestingly, when told the run the option, he always chooses wine.

A God Damn dead man would understand that if a minor league bus in any city took a real sharp right turn, a Zack McCalister would likely fall out. - Lead Pipe

I think Jesus is the more pro ready QB. Good throwing motion, quikc release. My only question is his hands and feet, I think those are the only holes in his game. He's been know to pull off the odd miracle too.

From what I heard, his only claim to fame is the Hail Mary. Interestingly, when told the run the option, he always chooses wine.

Well he only lost the one big game to Roman U, and everybody wanted to crucify him, which I thought was pathetic, look at his body of work.

Orenthal wrote:Ah, in that case I am against gay dating sites, and dating site commercials as a whole. I don't think anyone wants to sit through anymore eHarmony commercials. I know I want to buy more guns when I see that commercial...

The first rule of Fight Club is: Don't tell Chuck Norris about Fight Club.

She is essentially saying Tebow's mom is lying because abortions are illegal in the philippines and calling her a liar because no doctor there would ever recommend that... except a quick google search takes me to the UN's website with this document

Although the Penal Code does not list specific exceptions to the general prohibition on abortion, under the general criminal law principles of necessity as set forth in article 11(4) of the Code, an abortion may be legally performed to save the pregnant woman’s life.

Nothing like lying to smear a lady who wants to reduce the number of unborn babies being killed. Tebow's mom is a slug, good thing we have Gloria Allred on this earth to point out what lying scum she is.

I think Jesus is the more pro ready QB. Good throwing motion, quikc release. My only question is his hands and feet, I think those are the only holes in his game. He's been know to pull off the odd miracle too.

From what I heard, his only claim to fame is the Hail Mary. Interestingly, when told the run the option, he always chooses wine.

Orenthal wrote:Don't air the gay marriage ad. At least the abortion issue is a somewhat split pro/con. The gay marriage one is just so against public opinion, and I just can't stand small loud groups yelling about their quasi-problems like we should all feel sorry for them.

jesus. vote not split b/c gays are a small group? it's called a minority.

just because the majority believe one thing doesn't make it right. refer to history

Orenthal wrote:Don't air the gay marriage ad. At least the abortion issue is a somewhat split pro/con. The gay marriage one is just so against public opinion, and I just can't stand small loud groups yelling about their quasi-problems like we should all feel sorry for them.

jesus. vote not split b/c gays are a small group? it's called a minority.

just because the majority believe one thing doesn't make it right. refer to history

...and? Are rights being violated? This is in terms of a private market and only my opinion on such, not government policy.

"When a man with money meets a man with experience, the man with experience leaves with money and the man with money leaves with experience."

Orenthal wrote:Don't air the gay marriage ad. At least the abortion issue is a somewhat split pro/con. The gay marriage one is just so against public opinion, and I just can't stand small loud groups yelling about their quasi-problems like we should all feel sorry for them.

jesus. vote not split b/c gays are a small group? it's called a minority.

just because the majority believe one thing doesn't make it right. refer to history

...and? Are rights being violated? This is in terms of a private market and only my opinion on such, not government policy.

Are rights being violated? Why are you asking. I'm sure gay couples would answer that clearly for you.

Orenthal wrote:Don't air the gay marriage ad. At least the abortion issue is a somewhat split pro/con. The gay marriage one is just so against public opinion, and I just can't stand small loud groups yelling about their quasi-problems like we should all feel sorry for them.

jesus. vote not split b/c gays are a small group? it's called a minority.

just because the majority believe one thing doesn't make it right. refer to history

...and? Are rights being violated? This is in terms of a private market and only my opinion on such, not government policy.

There's a little wrinkle in this argument when you consider that CBS is using the public airwaves for free.

Seriously. And I know the Bible has much to do with it, however, there seems to be a number of cats that don't follow the Bible that are still against it.

By the way, I'm from the faction that believes you're born that way. Reason being, the Lead Man can't really explain to you why he started diggin' chicks in the second grade or so. Certainly it wasn't because he was supposed to. Just that the little head began to tell the big one what was up around chicks, not dudes. If it happened the other way around...then what?

So unless someone has an answer to the above, or LP starts pounding the Bible he could give a rat's ass if gays want to marry. And not that he'll ever feel strongly enough to be a "proponent," he just doesn't really care.

Abortion - hell, no matter what side of the fence you're on with that topic, you can see it generating a strong, emotional response. This whole gay marriage topic.....just can't see why straight people care.

Orenthal wrote:Don't air the gay marriage ad. At least the abortion issue is a somewhat split pro/con. The gay marriage one is just so against public opinion, and I just can't stand small loud groups yelling about their quasi-problems like we should all feel sorry for them.

jesus. vote not split b/c gays are a small group? it's called a minority.

just because the majority believe one thing doesn't make it right. refer to history

...and? Are rights being violated? This is in terms of a private market and only my opinion on such, not government policy.

Are rights being violated? Why are you asking. I'm sure gay couples would answer that clearly for you.

Because a gay dating agency's commercial won't be aired, which is what I am limiting my comments to? If that is the case, lmao...

Only exiled seems to really have a point as this is being done on CBS not some cable TV channel. Then again is it really over the air anymore? BTW I could care less about gay marriage/civil unions. As long as they have the same legal rights I could care less what you do in your own home, and whom marry's whom. If CBS decided they didn't want to carry a PETA ad I would feel the same way. The reason CBS will not run the ad is becaue most people would be offended by a gay dating site. Right or wrong is immaterial to the fact they have the right to not air whatever they choose. I only stated that I can't stand the "loud minority" on any side of the aisle or of any sexual orientation, and that CBS probably rejected the ad because it isn't popular.

Totally unrelated but to lazy to go to the right thread... CDT fired my ferst gun the other day at Stonewall. My brothers Glock 19 and his buddies Sig 9mm, pretty fun, soon gonna be a member of whatever group gun owners are part of... Might have even saw dem there as I did see a gentleman helping a few people's...

"When a man with money meets a man with experience, the man with experience leaves with money and the man with money leaves with experience."

Lead Pipe wrote:By the way, I'm from the faction that believes you're born that way. Reason being, the Lead Man can't really explain to you why he started diggin' chicks in the second grade or so. Certainly it wasn't because he was supposed to. Just that the little head began to tell the big one what was up around chicks, not dudes. If it happened the other way around...then what?

I only have one point that I would like to throw out there, and let me qualify to those sensitive to the subject that I am am not dug into any position on this topic just want some discussion. If being gay is genetic wouldn't evolution/natural selection have nipped it in the bud, early on. Before it even had a chance to become a recessive gene?

"When a man with money meets a man with experience, the man with experience leaves with money and the man with money leaves with experience."

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:What a woman who is not my wife/girlfriend does with her fetus, is no concern of mine.

Here's my beef. How can abortion be ok but if a dude murders a pregnant woman, he gets charged with two counts?

Either it's a life all the time or it's a life none of the time.

Except as far as I'm aware, the states that have those laws (two counts of murder for a pregnant woman) can only make that charge if the fetus is at or beyond the accepted stage of viability. Before that date, they can't make the charge.

Kind of like the abortion laws. You can't have an abortion once the fetus is viable, except for the "health and safety of the mother" exemptions.

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:What a woman who is not my wife/girlfriend does with her fetus, is no concern of mine.

Here's my beef. How can abortion be ok but if a dude murders a pregnant woman, he gets charged with two counts?

Either it's a life all the time or it's a life none of the time.

Except as far as I'm aware, the states that have those laws (two counts of murder for a pregnant woman) can only make that charge if the fetus is at or beyond the accepted stage of viability. Before that date, they can't make the charge.

Kind of like the abortion laws. You can't have an abortion once the fetus is viable, except for the "health and safety of the mother" exemptions.

OK, but who's to say when a baby is viable? As far as I know, nobody has any real concrete idea and most babies are a case-by-case basis when they're 5, 6, 7 months old. Not to mention any number of things that can go wrong when a baby is presumed viable.

Are we supposed to take probable abortions and test these babies to see when they would be viable? That's a bit inhumane.

A God Damn dead man would understand that if a minor league bus in any city took a real sharp right turn, a Zack McCalister would likely fall out. - Lead Pipe

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:What a woman who is not my wife/girlfriend does with her fetus, is no concern of mine.

Here's my beef. How can abortion be ok but if a dude murders a pregnant woman, he gets charged with two counts?

Either it's a life all the time or it's a life none of the time.

Except as far as I'm aware, the states that have those laws (two counts of murder for a pregnant woman) can only make that charge if the fetus is at or beyond the accepted stage of viability. Before that date, they can't make the charge.

Kind of like the abortion laws. You can't have an abortion once the fetus is viable, except for the "health and safety of the mother" exemptions.

OK, but who's to say when a baby is viable? As far as I know, nobody has any real concrete idea and most babies are a case-by-case basis when they're 5, 6, 7 months old. Not to mention any number of things that can go wrong when a baby is presumed viable.

Are we supposed to take probable abortions and test these babies to see when they would be viable? That's a bit inhumane.

Are you referring to the legal aspect or the medical aspect? For legal cases, it's based on generally accepted scientific evidence. I assume that medically, it is the same. It's my understanding that there is a pretty clear point where a fetus has ANY chance of survival and where it doesn't, and that is where the line is drawn. (I could be wrong on that)

exiledbuckeye wrote:Are you referring to the legal aspect or the medical aspect? For legal cases, it's based on generally accepted scientific evidence. I assume that medically, it is the same. It's my understanding that there is a pretty clear point where a fetus has ANY chance of survival and where it doesn't, and that is where the line is drawn. (I could be wrong on that)

Both. Scientific evidence, in this case, is not the be-all, end-all of the argument. I know those people are far smarter than me, but it is an extraordinarily unpredictable situation. Nevermind the obvious risk for infection or some sort of other complications, but a baby just simply might not make it due to underdeveloped internal organs. Not all babies follow the same blueprint in development.

Any chance of survival is the deciding line. That's absurd.

A God Damn dead man would understand that if a minor league bus in any city took a real sharp right turn, a Zack McCalister would likely fall out. - Lead Pipe