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Still unsure about the actual head shape though. Maybe thicken out the end of the snout a bit more and see how that looks.

Originally Posted by Rizlar

The giraffe silhouette I originally drew is crazy rough, for the actual logo I would be happy to draw one up properly.

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Originally Posted by NickWhite

I feel there's little danger of us being mistaken for a US sports team. [...] they also clearly emote characteristics. Which is sometimes, what a logo is all about.

One of the characteristics that they all definitely communicate is American Football Team (or US sports team in general). I realise that we won't be confused for one, but we would be putting American Football Team as part of our image. Don't think that sort of sweaty macho competitive atmosphere is something we want to go for - perhaps what Cooper was getting at.

I do agree with you about wanting to try out more ideas tho, I previously posted about wanting to introduce some more structure, so we can properly explore a range of ideas before creating anything at all polished. Think we should stay away from talking any specific details (specific shades of colours, bevelled edges, minor tweaks, tongues etc) until we are ready to produce the final logo, since it's a waste of time/effort. That said, we have been at this for a while, not sure how much patience everyone has. Perhaps a quick call for entries, week long maybe, then finalise the ideas?

On a similar note, I still want to try making a Vanu-symbol-logo look like a giraffe. :P

I would love to try new ideas, but we need people (especially those who've not posted much thus far) to start knocking them out more often. For example, I'd love to see MitchK's early suggestion with the eclipse worked on.

We either need to keep colectively working this through as we have been, or start something more formal. The main reason I've not gone ahead and written a design brief / asked for submissions and got more formal about it is that we seem to lack many people who would actually submit something along those lines.

@Nick. That image you linked. Before all the other adjectives you mention it just screamed "NFL" to me. I'm not even sure if it is an American Football logo. It might not be. But that's by far the over-riding impression that style gives.

Rizlar, I actually really like your current giraffe head.. the proportions seem just right to me to convey some silliness but also represent a giraffe. The smooth lines and natural angle of the neck seem perfect to me... I dont think it needs to be messed with, it just needed to lose the tongue, which it has now. The camo on the back is also great as is.

I dont know what I think about the grittier look idea either.

I think as far as logo goes, they are meant to be simple nick, because they are supposed to convey the idea of an organisation or team with as little understanding needed as possible... To me, we stand out for being both vanu, and giraffes. I think the colour and image represents that amazingly... The last few that cooper worked on were really nice. The texture and colours were almost perfect... only the BG colour needed to be fiddled with. We need to keep it simple.

Im more than happy to see more ideas, but much more of this and we will just be going in circles with ideas. We should stick with something for now and see how it works for us given that we are still small media wise (people arent going to immediately recognise us anyway).

Theres nothing to say we cant switch it up later on, or even periodically, but I think the actual design is fine (i.e. the logo style... background, green sphere and sideways head/camo back). The actual style can be tweaked later on and still maintain this nice clean and crisp design.

Going back to the youtube theme a minute, given that I haven't really done any videos this week I've occupied myself with doing up my channel. Don't know if everyone knows but theres a new channel theme thing which is a lot more intuitive than the old one, mine can be seen here;

I should say that once all the design stuff has been finalised with you guys I'm happy to change everything to fit the eventual agreed format, but in the meantime collaboration isn't my strongest suit so I've just gone ahead and done what I wanted anyway.

It has this new feature (or maybe its not new and I'm a dummy) where you can make a video specifically to hook new viewers that haven't subscribed yet. Apparently it only plays to them. I thought I'd make one that sets realistic expectations, let me know what you guys think (originally wanted to use a Beastie Boys song but EMI ate it. Fuck EMI up the bumhole);

Might be an idea to get all our media linked up and working on Coopers site in time for the war correspondent video release. Even if some of the aspects arnt finalised yet... This coverage might well bring in a lot of publicity and interest from more aware PS2 players, so having all the presentation prepared would be great.

Plus, that might be a good time to launch our front page article request?

Its a good idea, but Im not sure I totally like the layout of the new youtube style tbh.. if thats what it is :P A white background is a bit painful to me, but I suppose it does save a lot of effort... Im not sure, so Ill im open to suggestions.

Rizlars idea could easily be adapted into the header bar just by having 3-4 of the circle heads with the rps logo next to them.

Edit: Who set up the twitter? Might be an idea to use the gmail I made for us... consolidate accounts and make it easy to track.

On a similar note, is it possible for the frontpage of the website to pull from our youtube channel? It would be useful if we could link to the place to view everybodies videos, rather than focus on one set of videos.

If everyone is happy with it, and the logo, I will crack on with it this week.

I would go so far as to say give it a start at least. If you just wanna do the first pass, then see how it looks, and I guess by then we might have a full opinion. Logo im happy with if everybody else is, we just need to finalise background.

Font will have to wait until cooper makes his mind up, so use a placeholder for now (just try it with lowercase impact for me). We can always change elements im assuming and since it will be its own layer, we can swap the text out later.

The circular one that cooper last posted, WITHOUT text for now (i.e. the RPS tag), and without the tongue. Keep the same shape head though, I really have grown to like it. IMO coopers is pretty polished as is, I just dont want that tongue lol.

The background is what im more interested on you focussing on. If you need me to go into more detail, we can have a talk about it at some point on mumble or something.

The circular one that cooper last posted, WITHOUT text for now (i.e. the RPS tag)

But presumably it will be coupled with the text 'Rock, Planet, Shotgun (such and such since such and such)' in a similar style to the RPS main site's logo, as we have been discussing. This is what I was referring to.

Yeah, we will have the standard rock paper shotgun style for now somewhere nice on the background. I would suggest keeping the grouping with the circles somehow. for now, use the "purple spandex since" version, as it was pretty popular.

Sounds good. the logo needs to be on the final thing, but if you dont want to fuck around with it, just use coopers last text-less design for the bg final draft.

Work in progress youtube background. I am playing with the double-exposure effect to suggest light aligning and combining on a projector (films, geddit?).

The different figures all need to be moved around a bit, but the general structure is there and all the classes are visible (particularly pleased with the HA and max). Of course the logo is also a placeholder.