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If the wind speed is up....Do them higher in the wind window. Video is a bit shaky using a small video cam mounted on a baseball cap.

Darn, darn, darn! I need to get my fade act running to be able to start trying the AVFFF!

The other day at the beach I had an hour of soft but VERY regular wind.I took my TalonUL out and started to practice fades.

I started them from the floor, belly up and letting the wind push the nose of the kite back. Then just a gentle pull and the kite was up in the air with a nice fade. Walk slowly back and control always the lower wing (by pulling the hand that is opposite) as the kite raised.

6 rising fades like that I could do! From floor to very high up.

In three of them, when I had the fade high up, I pulled the kite by popping both lines to make a dip and go into a pancake (I didn't yet let the kite roll past that into the fade again as the AVFFF needs).But once in the pancake I couldn't get the kite back out... argh! I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong. I pop the lines again to make the nose of the kite pop from pointing back to pointing towards me again. But the kite just refuses to move and it just turns oddly and ugly and out of any stable position back into lateral flying.

Anyway, slowly coming.... but so slowly that I'll be able to use my new Pulliam handles in my daycare residence...

In three of them, when I had the fade high up, I pulled the kite by popping both lines to make a dip and go into a pancake (I didn't yet let the kite roll past that into the fade again as the AVFFF needs).But once in the pancake I couldn't get the kite back out... argh! I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong. I pop the lines again to make the nose of the kite pop from pointing back to pointing towards me again. But the kite just refuses to move and it just turns oddly and ugly and out of any stable position back into lateral flying.

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I don't know if the Talon is one of them, but if you are trying to do the flic flac move ( flare to fade) some kites don't like coming back into the fade position if you let the flare go too flat. When you put the kite into the flare position ( nose away) try pulling back for the fade just before the kite goes horizontal and at the same time walk towards the kite a little, you may find that solves the problem.

You can also get into the fade from the axel - axel the kite but as the kite is halfway through the rotation pop both lines and it should turn into a fade. Check out Randy G's flic flac tutorial and keep practising!

Don't give up! It's very hard to learn on your own, I know I have had to do this and it takes ages but it will eventually come. If you get a chance to fly with other pilots you will find you can learn things so much more quickly.

I don't know if the Talon is one of them, but if you are trying to do the flic flac move ( flare to fade) some kites don't like coming back into the fade position if you let the flare go too flat. When you put the kite into the flare position ( nose away) try pulling back for the fade just before the kite goes horizontal and at the same time walk towards the kite a little, you may find that solves the problem.

OK, I will try that but I did try different positions of the flare when I did that. I'll keep trying.

You can also get into the fade from the axel - axel the kite but as the kite is halfway through the rotation pop both lines and it should turn into a fade. Check out Randy G's flic flac tutorial and keep practising!

Yep! I'm also (and was also that day) practising that. It is still not quite there but it'll come. Funny I have been trying for ages to axel with my right and get into the fade with both hands or with my left, and recently I'm being able to do it when axelling (if that verb exists ) with my left and pulling for the fade with my right... but it usually does it by chance and I'm so surprized when I get it that then I can't hold the fade for more than a second or two...

Staying low looking for sand crabs to thump in the head. This kite is a very forgiving, if you haven't already noticed. Sloppy inputs and stays right with it. If you don't already have one, just maybe you should. Maybe even a new Duende.

I assume the kite is the Silver Fox? (I see it is. The original link said only Fox for the kite type.) As an owner who is still not very skilled, your assessment is reassuring...or extra damning.

Staying low looking for sand crabs to thump in the head. This kite is a very forgiving, if you haven't already noticed. Sloppy inputs and stays right with it. If you don't already have one, just maybe you should. Maybe even a new Duende.

Whew... ten in a row (although the seventh didn't rotate all the way >:-) just trying to find a crack to fit some criticism). You must be able to do them asleep by now...

OK, I'll watch the videos a couple of times more and hopefully be able to fly soon...

All of this webbing just waiting for the first four videos.......and nothing.

Patience Norm!!

Patienece is a good word, I'm still working this trick and am still stuck on two. I did pull off three one time but the third was sloppy. I am losing my patience with this winter weather, first we had ballistic winds now for the past two weeks we have had vitually no wind at all. I'm thinking it may be a couple more months before I can make a serious attempt at this challenge but I'm still out here practicing every chance I get, patiently waiting for my efforts to yield 4 AVFFF's.

I am losing my patience with this winter weather, first we had ballistic winds now for the past two weeks we have had vitually no wind at all. I'm thinking it may be a couple more months before I can make a serious attempt at this challenge

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