6/30 Most. Boring. Motd. Ever.
\_ It was pretty interesting, but the Humorless Anonymous MOTD Censor
had a go at it. Now it sucks ass.
\_ yermom was keeping me busy
\_ read old archived motd, they're always entertaining
\_ why don't you post a gun control or free speech link, that
always brings the k00ks out of the woodwork.

6/30 Does anyone else occasionally have extreme slowdown/crashes when
they load a PDF in FireFox? I've had this problem on several machines
w/ versions 0.7, .8 and .9.
\_ i've been getting crashes in both firefox and ie. must be adobe.
\_ Reader 4 > Reader 5 >> Reader 6
\_ until you get a file that only R6 can read.
\_ I just make it launch reader/preview/gv instead of loading the
plugin; much more reliable.

6/30 Car question: How long do your brake pads last, generally? I'm
talking highway and surface street driving, not off-roading.
\_ Depends on the type of car and on your driving habits. Brakes
generally last longer for cars than for suv/mini-vans. If you
ride the brakes, then the life will be significantly reduced.
My exp. has been that brake pads last at least 25K miles and
usually between 30K and 40K miles.
\_ More general statement than "cars vs. suv/mini-vans" is
that lighter the car, longer the pads will last, assuming
similar driving styles.
BTW, replace them yourself. Drums are a bit messy, but
discs are really easy.
\_ I wouldn't trust my life on my own automotive repair skills.
\_ seconded
\_ but you might save $20!!!!
\_ As opposed to HS dropouts who doze off during mechanics
training?
\_ So you would trust your life on some complete idiotic
stranger who earns minimum wage rather than yourself?
\_ every 45K for me. 80% freeway 20% others

6/30 Heya -- quick question: How much dust, debris, etc would a megaton
level nuke toss up into the air? How long does it take before %95 of
it settles back to earth? If good reference links could be provided,
that would be greatly appreciated. TIA.

6/30 Fucking spammers. Even after using spamassassin and using sa-learn
on every single spam I get, I still get about 10 a day. I seriously
hope those guys get a nice ass raping in jail.
\_ Thanks for sharing.
\_ I firmly believe that the only solution to the spam problem will be
vigilantism. And I mean hiring a guy named Vinny to go break a
spammer's thumbs.
\_ fuck vinny, send in the special forces
\_ We used to talk about this in grad school a lot, going to find
the script kiddies who broke into our machines. We thought we'd
figure out who it is (== snot-nosed 14 year old from Ohio),
take a roadtrip, and surprise the kid's parents when they'd
come home and find their kid duct-taped, spreadeagled, upside
down attached to their garage door.
\_ Cf. The Big Lebowski
\_ why are you workstations on public net? NAT is exists in
part to protect people like you from yourselves on the
dangerous public network you're not ready for.
\_ You can still click a mouse without a thumb.
\_ "If you disable your enemy's hand, he cannot press a button.
Medic!".
\_ I run something that works. All that's slipped through in the
last month are 3 0 body messages and 2 spams. So keep looking,
maybe you'll find a spam filter that works for you.
\_ I use SA. About 1 spam per week makes it to my inbox. The rest
goes to my spam folder. About 1 ham per month gets in the spam box.
\_ You manually go search for ham among hundreds of messages?

6/30 People complain that Moore and Franken call themselves "comedians", but
how come there is no MOTD talk about Jon Stewart? Do repubs hate him
less bc he is willing to make fun of loser democrats as well as bush?
\_ jon stewart calls himself a comedian too.
\_ I think that jon stuart doesn't try to be serious sometimes, then
hide behing the "hey I'm just a comedian" when he says something
stupid. The way that Franken (and P.J. O'rouke for that matter)
do. Jon pretty much always has the attitude that "hey, i'm just
a guy doing comedy". He does, though, have the best take on the
martha stewart conviction:
http://www.comedycentral.com/mp/play.php?reposid=/multimedia/tds/headlines/8108
.html
http://tinyurl.com/3g5qt (comedycentral.com)
Also, Jon is clearly a California Democrat, but he is not some
by-the-book liberal-democrat the way Franken and Moore are.
\_ Jon Stewart is very much a liberal, but he's also not afraid
to point out stupidity no matter who puts it out there. He's
also very fair to his guests, Repub or Dem, and he'll often
call the audience to task for dissing a guest. (One exception:
the guy who wrote a book proposing a link between Iraq and
al Qaeda got pretty short shrift, but hell, the man was
really asking for it.)
\_ he was really nice to richard perle, don't know why
\_ Yeah, that was surprising how he treated that guy. I
watch pretty much every episode and I've never seen him
do that. But, the guest was clearly trying to capitalize
on a lie, and he knew it, so Stuart just called it for
what it was.
\_ Yeah, that was surprising how he treated that guy. I watch
pretty much every episode and I've never seen him do that.
But, the guest was clearly trying to capitalize on a lie,
and he knew it, so Stuart just called it for what it was.
\_ Jon did try to give the guy some credit by suggesting
that perhaps the recent capitulation could be traced to
the invasion, but then the guy himself pointed out that
Libya funded the recent assassination plot against the
Saudis. Really, there was no helping that guy.
\_ As opposed to the tongue kiss he gave Michael Moore who
is capitalizing on several lies.
\_ Name one.
\_ Where have you been? These links have been posted
more than once to the motd, and are very easy to
find, unless you restrict your google search to
site:indymedia.org like you probably do...
http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723 - for the new.
http://bowlingfortruth.com - for the previous.
\_ The hitchens article blathers a whole lot
without saying much of substance. Please point
out the specific lies in question.

6/30 http://www.drudgereport.com/kerryhrc.htm
Anonymous insider claims that Hillary is going to be Kerry's VP pick.
\_ Where's that hilarious motd troll who claimed that Drudge was never
wrong? He needs to be properly mocked again.
\_ No. Drudge was wrong once which he got sued for. The rest of
his stuff is either links to other sites or like this URL make
it clear he is quoting a single anonymous source. He leaves it
for the reader to decide. Try again.
\_ So you see absolutely nothing wrong with publicizing
false accusations from single anonymous sources? Wow, you are
really amoral.
\_ Now you're confusing morals with the accuracy of his
publication. I see no difference between this URL and the
same anonymous sources getting quoted all the time in the
newspapers. Do you?
\_ For one, the anonymous source says nothing definitive
so the whole quote is meaningless. But in fact, I see
no difference on the whole. Reporting single anonymous
sources without any effort to confirm their allegations,
as Drudge routinely does, is amoral. If I have a very
popular publication and I get a phone call in the middle
of the night telling me that Dick Cheney rapes dogs, I
have a responsibility to try and confirm that before I
print it. Are you familiar with the concept of libel?
And yes, I know US libel law requires malicious intent.
\_ Bush it is!
\_ The best part about this non-credible non-story is that there is no
definite gotcha in the quotes - the "insider" is speculating just as
much as Drudge is, reporting Capitol hill gossip and giving his
opinion of what it means. It doesn't even qualify as decent hearsay
Why do people pay attention to Drudge again?
\_ It's hearsay about speculation about hearsay.
That's a *kind* of evidence. -Lionel Hutz
\_ Wrong!
"Well, Your Honor. We've plenty of hearsay and conjecture.
Those are *kinds* of evidence."

6/30 Why do 35mm color negatives look like they are brown/ clear when
viewed with the naked eye? It seems like you should be able to
see the colors with your naked eye? Also movie reels?
\_ That's the normal cast of the negative film medium itself. You
should still be able to see different colors if the original scene
is colorful enough. The colors you see on the negatives are
reciprocal to the original colors (plus the brown cast). That's why
they are called negatives. Movies are also shot on negatives, but
the images are somehow transferred to silde films which are sent to
the cinemas.

6/30 This is so fucked up. The TV stations gets fined for Janet's
breast showing? I'd say Janet or Justin Timberlake should be
fined big time. Janet can claim she's innocent, but that
fucker Justin Timberlake should be fined a few million dollars
for his act.
\_ Oh, she just happened to be wearing a removable top. I'm sure it
was a total surprise what he did.
\_ Get with the times! Everyone knows removable pull tops are *the*
thing today! It was simply a wardrobe malfunction and no one is
to blame. As usual.
\_ You're an idiot. One that's clearly been locked in a closet.
I suppose it's possible you could be anti-sports boy, and
avoid the telly lest you get even a HINT of something
sportsy (which would explain your lack of clue).
\_ once again, sarcasm-detection fails.
\_ Uh? Are you ok? WTF are you tryign to say here? Who even
mentioned sports? Weirdo.
\_ Uhm, no I'm NOT okay DAMMIT! Someone broke into my
apartment and raped my dog? How would you feel if your
credit card got rejected, huh?
\_ If it was solely Justin's fault, how come Janet didn't blame the
whole thing on him, and sue him and stuff?
\_ The most fucked up part isn't the breast but the fact that the ads
run during the superbowl contained far more lascivious imagery than
Janet's boob hanging out - but since it was an ACTUAL nipple everyone
got all in a tizzy.
\_ Why does it surprise you that people would be more upset with
reality than non-reality?

6/30 Is it just me or it seems that the quality of cell phone has been
going down a lot?
\_ You mean the phone or the reception?
\_ Phones? I don't know. Coverage? I'd say it's improved. -verizon
\_ I think cell phones are getting so complicated that you can't use
most of the functions without reading a manual first.
\_ Some phones have better menus than others.
\_ It just you. Quality cell phone been same long time!

6/30 Nepal buddhist put in solitary confinement for 24/hr * 3 month for
unknowingly videotaping outside a FBI building.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/30/nyregion/30deport.final.html
And recently a NYT photographer was prevented form taking picture
of Times-Warner building. Will it now get someone in trouble if he
takes pictures on the street with major landmark or government
building in the line of sight? It doesn't matter if he will
eventually get out.
\_ Four more years! Leader Bush is teh greatest!
\_ And this will change under kerry because..?
\_ I don't want Iranian nationals taking pictures of landmarks in my
country. -allenp
\_ Why not? --iranian national.
\_ While we're rattling sabers with each other. -allenp
\_ Better just ban all tourists from taking any pictures. You
never know who might be our enemy tomorrow. Thank goodness
Eastasia is our ally.
\_ w00t!
\_ Now, _that_ was a funny edit. Nice.
\_ "Ignorance of the law is no excuse, for it can always be
faked." That said, the real problem here is the unbelieveable
bueracuracy that infests our government. Look at the INS.
Just ridiculous.
\_ He was on an expired visa. That's life. Maybe he can tell
his friends to obey our immigration laws and then there's no
problem. We should have forced him to refund US taxpayers
the cost of jail and trial before release. I'm sure FBI
agents have more important concerns than this twit.
\_ Not only that. He was *working* with an expired *tourist* visa.
\_ So deport him. If you want him punished, work out a treaty
the law, and staying of a tourist visa is too.
with Nepal where they punish their citizens for violating
your immigration laws.
\_ That's what the FBI agent in charge was trying to do,
and he eventually got him out.
\_ Are you a tax lawyer? Then you've almost certainly committed
tax fraud and mail fraud. When they come to lock you up, please
remember what you've written today.
\_ Bad analogy. This guy knew he was breaking immigration
law wide open. You don't have to be an immigration
lawyer to know that working on a tourist visa is against
the law, and staying of a tourist visa is too.
\_ straw man. The penalty for working on an expired visa
is deportation, not 3 months of jail. -tom
\_ Wrong-o, Tom-o. Or at least you're responding to
the wrong question. I didn't say anything about
the punishment being just. I just pointed out
that this fellows analogy was wrong. That's not a
straw man.
\_ 'Wrong-o, Tom-o'? What the fuck is wrong with you?
\_ I get too much fun out of life.
\_ No analogy being made here. If you're not a tax lawyer,
you have almost certainly violated some minor part of the
byzantine US tax codes. If you show no sympathy for a man
who was put in solitary confinement for 3 months for
working on an expired visa, expect no sympathy when the
powers that be arrest and detain you on the pretext of
tax and mail fraud.
\_ "No analogy?" Your whole argument us based on a bad
analogy, That purposely breaking a well known low
in 2 different ways is somehow analgus to breaking
an extrememly obscure law unintentionally.
\_ Here is the correct article non PC title: Greedy Nepalese
Flaunts US Laws and Distracts FBI from Pursuing Terrorists.
He is responsible for his decision to
break our laws when we are under terrorist attack.
He is lucky to have gotten off as easy as he did.
BTW this is classic NYTimes bias.
\_ Wait, so its only an objective headline if its worded like a
news report in Starship Troopers?
\_ Motd Poster is flaming asshole and rabid propagandist!
Click here to learn more!
\_ Do you want to see more?
\_ I think, what you are saying is, he was lucky because:
(1) He was kept in solitary, he wasn't raped, he was only
strip-searched
(2) It was only three months, could have been a year+
(3) He could be in Guantanamo, he was in Brooklyn
(4) He eventually got to talk to a lawyer
(5) He had a senior FBI agent helping him
(6) He got a free ticket back to Nepal, didn't have to pay
any fines, and did manage to send $37K back to his family
(7) He broke important laws during a very sensitive time,
he should accept the consequences
\_ If rape is inevitable, sit back and enjoy it!

6/30 Eclipse 3.0 is out, lots of cool new features. Is there a way to
revert to the old W2k look? The XP tints look out of place.
\_ Nevermind: Preferences/Workbench/Appearance/Current Presentation:
set it to R21Presentation.

6/30 Google may have stolen the code for orkut:
http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,64046,00.html
\_ Sensationalist, and overblown. He may have written the code while
working for them. They may have exclusive rights to the code. And
perhaps not.
\_ We should put the greedy turk in solitary confinement for 3 yr.
\_ "I've never seen a man take so quickly to a Turkish prison"
\_ IANAL, but it seems to me the proper target of a suit like this
would be the programmer, for breach of contract, theft of
intellectual property, etc. The employer using it can hardly
be expected to keep track of all its employees previous
obligations... a temporary restraining order would seem more
appropriate for google...
\_ How do you get a temporary restraining order? You
usually have to sue.

6/30 Poll, how many people use the followings?
mehlhaff's motd,v: ....
kais motd:...
\_ I don't use it because it's not text/command line based. Also
I don't use software written by fags
\_ if you snd/rcv mail on soda then you do. just logging
in and posting to the motd probably means you're using
software written by a fag, at least indirectly.
\_ that's because soda sucks and uses sendmail instead of qmail.
what does uclink use?
\_ uclink uses /dev/null as its mta; it no longer exists
\_ That might have been a good argument, 5 years ago. But
djb is a lofty thinker who doesn't care much about
interoperation, extensibility, and many other things.
Sendmail has gotten better. Qmail hasn't.
\_ why do you hate queer people?
\_ I don't use it because I don't even know about it.
wrote my own archiver: .
yermom: .
\_ i mostly use mehlhaff's. I set up my own once but then thought it's
pointless to duplicate the effort. mehlhaff usually keeps his stuff
going pretty well. i have visited kais a few times but it's too
much of a bother for my usual usage. maybe if it had a better
interface with links/lynx.

6/30 Gmail Q: I already got my first peice of uncaught spam.
I'm not 100% sure from the subject, though, so I want to open it.
I don't want to read any images from their server (obvi) and I don't
see a config setting for that. Is there one that I have just missed?
\_ gmail doesn't seem to show me images by default anyways.
\_ You can't use lynx or elinks?

6/30 I have a ps file probably made from a (la)tex source but I do not have
access to the source. ps2pdf renders it but only with totally ugly
result - the fonts look like scaled up bitmaps. How do I make it look
normal?
\_ Try a more recent version of ghostscript.

6/30 is reeser hot?
\_ well, email her.
\_ 2hot4U
\_ no, she's butt ugly. She used to have a blurred/soft focus
portrait picture on her web site and she was pretty ugly in it.
Now imagine her in real person...
\_ ask her for one. If she sends you one, you can find out yourself.
If she doesn't send you one, then most likely she's ugly.
\_ Who are you who are so wise in the ways of h07 42n ch1x?
\_ well I don't know your definition of hot, but personally I think
that she is smart, sophisticated, and interesting to talk to
-person who knew her personally in the late 90s
\_ in another word she is ugly
\_ she's also pretty cute, imho -another anonymous motd denizen
\_ I think she is hot. -AMCoward
\_ It's all relative (she makes chialea look like a goddess)
\_ and of course this anonymous MOTD dweeb is the paragon of
male beauty. -tom
\_ The motd is a cruel little place sometimes. -- seen both
\_ picP. One of the two certainly looked like anti-goddess in
pic.
\_ Kettle, this is the pot calling. You're black.
\_ Why are you so defensive? Look is just buy attribute
of a person, and a very superficial one by its nature.
They may be visually unappealing but intelligent,
sophisticated, and wise. Would they rather be M Monroe?
\_ Taking potshots at people on soda because of their
looks is cheap and ultimately destined to bite you
in the ass. If you want to say that someone's hot,
go for it. If you want to say that someone doesn't
meet your aesthetic standards, learn to supress.
\_ Yah, rhys is hot.
\_ do you value truth or kindness more? I value the former,
so cruelty is the way to go
\- gee do you think star trek novels are greater works
of lit than say the odyssey? that ayn rand is the
epitome of philosophy? there are an infinity of true
facts ... most of them without meaning or value. --psb

6/30 How do the kids in Battle Royale II make it off the island and
back to Afghanistan? My bootleg copy omits the last few minutes
of the movie. - the MILF man
\_ thanks for spoiling it for us.
\_ Darth is Luke's dad, Rosebud is the goddamn sled
and the chick in the crying game is a guy. - the MILF man
\_ Which movie is the second sentence referring to?
\_ Citizen Kane. Only one of the most highly
regarded movies ever.
\_ Still, how did those two kids get back to Afghanistan? - the MILF man
\_ Who cares!? That movie was so shitty, it's a waste of time
even talking about it. I'm outta here.

6/30 I'm being oppressed by Bay Area liberals!
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/ts20030306.shtml
\_ Why has he forgotten about hispanics? Their population rise
all across bay area. In a sense, you can say they are driving
out the blacks and putting increasing pressure on the asians.
\_ Stop bringing facts into the equation.
\_ This is plain stupid, and racist. I use to live in a black
\- hello, are you saying Thomas
Sowell is a racist who hates
black people? --psb
\_ I think he is referring to
the motd commentator, as
indicated by the indentation,
not the Thomas Sowell article.
neighborhood. I still live at the same address, but most of
this area is now filled with white people (near Alamo Square
in SF). They tend to be young wealthy-enough white yuppies
who are buying victorians in the area. They have bought out
the black families who use to own these homes, and who knows
where they've gone now. The only blacks in the area live in
the nearby projects.
\_ have you caught gay yet?
\_ only for you.
\_ So the solution isn't to make sure all races have equal access to
education so that you can have a nice mix of affluent races in the
area, but rather to kill open spaces that are one of the things that
make many bay area communities such a nice place to live. Good plan!!
\_ Wow, you're really stupid. He's a nationally syndicated
columnist. That page has all his columns, and yet you know
nothing of his opinions, and instead of finding out, (by
reading one of his columns about education) you make really
stupid assumptions. Way to go!
\_ yeah, if you read more of his opinions, you'd realize he's
a total wack job and not waste your time responding to his
idiocy
\_ I'm not sure who the object of this sentence is.

6/30 http://film.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,12589,1240819,00.html
Hezbollah offers help distributing Farenheit 9/11.
\_ see, they are nice people after all
\_ "Hizbollah condemns this horrible act [Nick Berg beheading] that
has done very great harm to Islam and Muslims by this group that
claims affiliation to the religion of mercy, compassion and
humane principles."
\_ Yeah, they really prefer mass murders over a single killing in
a more intimate setting. Are you really defending Hezbollah?
\_ You will note that, without making judgments about them,
Hizbollah (dammit I hate the way everyone writes Arabic
words differently) is following a long-established pattern
of guerilla/terrorist/independence groups to attempt to
re-organize and legitimate itself politically and
militarily. Draw some parallels with the Viet Cong.
Just an observation. -John
\_ Hezbollah would do better to follow a different pattern
focused more on military targets than civilian targets.
Neither the Viet Cong, the Basque ETA, nor the IRA
won significant gains for their causes through attacks
on civilians.
\_ Take a second to think. And to notice that it's in
quotes. This was their (Hezbollah) press release.
Reading comprehension courses are available...
\_ Why do you hate America?

6/30 http://www.mailinator.net/mailinator/Welcome.do
Can be very useful. After http://bugmenot.com, this looks like a very
neat site.
\_ This is cool. You might also like http://spamgourmet.com (which doesn't
make your email public, and doesn't delete it after a few hours;
however, it does require you to sign up).
\_ or sneakemail.
\_ I don't get it. Why not just create a specific spam account and use
that for these throwaway things? Seems easier than dealing with
these services.

6/30 "Voters are being pressured by employers and others to back
pro-Beijing candidates and encouraged to photograph marked ballots
with cell phone cameras to prove their patriotism."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A16223-2004Jun29.html
\_ Sounds like a good market for faked photographs.
\_ Well, now that we're wriggling out of Iraq, maybe we can make
strong staments against China again.
\_ Exactly. How else can BushCo fuck the tax payer's money to make
them rich? China is the perfect 'enemy' after Iraq. Do we all
remember the spy plane incident? Yeah, they have us believe
China would nuke us any minute back then. Fuck BushCo, piece
of shit.
\_ I'm not a big fan of the rambling haters on the motd
either, but I don't think it is fair to impersonate/
charicature them like this, as perhaps (though it seems
unlikeley) someone will think it is an earnest post.
\_ Who's he impersonating, Lupo the Butcher?
\_ So what?
\_ You are in a maze of ignorance, surrounded by twisty passages,
all alike. I wish you would be eaten by a Grue.
\_ Stop criticizing China and spend your time on more
productive things, like vote Bush down and make sure
this country is not as fucked up as it is now. Geez.
What's next? Bush will send our spy planes to fly
REAL close to China and to provoke them to distract
us from his incompetence? Yeah, China is the biggest
threat to peace on this planet next to Iraq huh?
\_ The Washington Post is criticizing China.
The Post is also criticizing Bush policy.
Why not do both?
\_ I am just so fed up seeing all the anti-China
posts. BushCo stirs it up for its own evil
reason and the media buys it. Everything you
see in the media about China is negative. All
because of what? Because BushCo wants a public
enemy so they can dump the taxpayer's money
onto the defense companies and make them rich.
The problem with defense companies is they
don't go together peace and prosperity. BushCo
will get rich when the world is at war, and it
is what we are now. Wake up people, there are
bigger things to worry about than China trying
to convince its voters to vote for pro-beijing
leaders to keep their country intact.
\_ "convince" its voters
\_ Of course. China does not have laws that
legalize corruption. Political
contribution IS corruption legalized. In
China, some gets their head chopped off
for taking money, in the US, it's all
OK. Candidates openly ask for money, and
Bush surely made anyone contributed to
his campaign filthy rich, all legalized
and taken for granted. Perhaps there's a
lot China can learn from the US....
\_ Why is there a protest of 200K+ Hong Kongers
today? http://csua.org/u/80h
\_ Because HK people have been
brainwashed for centuries by the
Brits. They'd rather lick the feet
of a Brit than stand up and be a
man themselves. If your country is
occupied by someone else for so
long, you'll know. Just look at
Taiwan, they still 'look up' to
Japan, even though Japan invaded
them and treated them like 2nd
class citizen. Same thing with HK.
HK people are gutless because they
never ruled themselves. Having a
Brits at the top makes them feel
more secure, because that's the
way they are brought up to believe
in. Anything mainland China say
must be wrong.
\_ This is such an awful troll. Most
HK people have only been there since
the 50's or 60's. If you think Beijing
knows what's best for HK then I don't
know what to tell you.
-jeffwong
\_ I'm sorry, did you miss the Cultural
Revolution, the Gang of Four, and
Tianamen Square? PRC elites treat their
own people like 2nd class citizens.
Sure, bribery is punishable by death,
but you're much more likely to be
charged if you don't belong the Party
and toe the party line. It's not a
People's Paradise; it's an old-fashioned
oligarchy, and it needs to be squished.
\_ Every attempt to squish an oligarchy
results in a new and much worse
obligarchy. Communism is an example.
\_ uh oh ... I don't like BushCo's
fear-mongering with regard to
China, but I like Hong Kong
people's resistance to China's
attempts to silence dissent.
I don't see any contradiction
with holding both views. Attempts
to link the two is mostly unwarranted.