Friday, 18 April 2008

Can't feed 'em? Don't breed 'em

It’s strange to look back and see how, on some things, you’ve traversed the full spectrum on a particular subject. The looming world food crisis is the kind of thing I have in mind.

There is undoubtedly a crisis, riots and turmoil. And it’s going to get worse. To get a real inside view, let’s listen to Greg Barrow of the World Food Programme (WFP) “Food scarcity means an increase in the number of people going hungry''

Wow! Who’d have thought that? Great insight, Greg.

As usual, the reasons adduced in the MSM are the wrong ones, or at least their relative importance is wrong – badly wrong.

The causes of the crisis are many, and vary in different parts of the world. However, the killer cause is, or should be, perfectly clear. Here are the main reasons for the crisis, in ascending order of importance:

* Climate change

* Using food crops for biofuels

* Oil prices (huge increases in fertilizer and transport costs)

* Richer diets in China and India (rising incomes lead to more meat in diet, meat a very inefficient way to produce food)

* Culture (corruption, incompetence)

* Irresponsible breeding

Let’s just focus on the last one, the elephant in the room. The world’s population is growing by leaps and bounds, and almost all that growth is coming from the poorest regions – the ones now experiencing the worst effects of the food crisis. Needless to say, the PC Thought Police won't let us say that. Everyone has the ‘right’ (that word again) to have as many children as he or she wants.

Ok, but if they do they shouldn’t expect the rest of us to feed them. It really is as simple as that. We’re going to be inundated for the foreseeable future with heart-rending images of black women (men as usual nowhere to be seen) with squads of children, begging for assistance. And whitey, who of course will get the blame for this, will also provide all the aid, and will still get the blame after that.

And it won't solve the problem. It'll perpetuate and exacerbate the problem. Just like aid to poor countries undermines the incentive for people to address their own problems, providing enough food to survive will only represent a band-aid, with the crisis scheduled for endless repetition.

There is no solution other than to stop the rapid growth in population. How do you do that? Simple. Let nature take its course. History shows very plainly that, left alone, populations adapt to their sustainable level. That's happened with primitive societies like the bushmen of the Kalahari, Australian Aborigines and Eskimos. They adapted their family sizes to the level of what they could feed. The same happens in the animal kingdom

Pouring emergency food aid into these areas will only perpetuate the misery. It sounds unimaginably cruel to say it, and it marks a slow but consistent 180 degree change in my views, but: ... if you can't feed ‘em, don't breed ‘em. The food/population crisis will only get worse - rapidly - until the validity of that aphorism sinks home.

Yet look at the countries with the highest fertility rates. Hell holes, every one of them. These rates are obviously not sustainable. No doubt when the crash comes in the form of starvation and war, there will be more calls to bring them in as refugees.

@The worst most offensive horrible post you have made - and that's saying something!

18 April 2008 22:36

Yeah Right mate" I've been thinking this for years = when I was a teacher back in the early 80's and Ethiopia was starving - I remember quite clearly stating to the pupils "You see them on tv as thin as anything, no food, no clothes and yet they always have the energy to procreate". If I had said that in later years I would have been hung and quartered by the PC liberals.

Why do people keep on calling me fat? Maybe I could trim off a few pounds, but - for FUCK SAKE - stick to the point. Have you any suggestions other than mine? Or do you just suggest perpetuating the problem?

Savant:Very true point.A friend spent some time working in hospitals in southern Africa. He has always believed that Western aid artificially creates a problem - people live long enough to have kids when without aid they would not. Then those kids are looked after by more Western aid, and their kids etc. The system requires more and more aid and if it stops thousands die. Even if the flow of aid does not increase, the amount of death that results is far greater than if there was no interference in the first place (because if Western aid hadn't saved the great grandmother, then the dozens of present day kids wouldn't be alive to die horribly).

Yes it is a brutal way of looking at things - but if anyone here is a doctor, they will know the actual brutality of life.

Incidently, Ireland itself does a similar thing with people who are born with particular forms of hereditary disease. Some diseases cost hundreds of thousands of euro per year per person to keep in check - costing tens of millions per person per lifetime. By allowing these people to live however, they allow them to have children, who in turn are 50% likely to have the disease. Every generation brings more and more people "artificially" being kept alive, and draining resources from other areas of the health service.

@ anonymous who said... "So what do you suggest? Let them all starve?"Why do you feel it your responsibility to feed these people? The African continent has enormous mineral wealth, which funds are misappropriated by their leaders. Sacks of rice donated by various food aid organizations, visibly for sale in their local supermarkets… yet, you feel guilty because of your compassionate nature. The responsibility for their well-being should lie squarely with their elected leaders.It is a fact that third world children, grow up to have more third world children all requiring “Western” food aid.

Look at this from a slightly different viewpoint. There is not a single EU country today that is replacing its population. You need about 2.1 children per woman to do that. Ireland is close - about 1.9 children but this is a legacy from our Catholic past not a hope for the future.

The only country on the European continent that is replacing its population is Islamic ALBANIA!

Importing large numbers of immigrants from Eastern Europe (or even Russia) is only a short term solution. Their birth rate - after decades of Communism - is much lower than ours and in a generation or so, ours will plunge far below replacement rate because of these immigrants.

There is a pension crisis in many European countries because there are not enough workers to pay for the retired.

In 20 or 30 years we will have to bring in Arabs or Africans just to keep the economy going. Where else will we get workers from - China?

"In 20 or 30 years we will have to bring in Arabs or Africans just to keep the economy going. Where else will we get workers from - China?"

Arab Christians or African Christians should be welcomed - Arab Christians are particularly hard working and integrate well whereever they go. What's with your racism regarding the Chinese? Culturally they tend to be highly industrious, integrate well and are a great asset to any country.

The only serious long term problem is allowing Islamic immigration.

Regarding your "we need immigration to keep our economy expanding, expanding, expanding forever and ever eating more and more of the world's resources" - do you have no concern for the environment, peak oil, the Kyoto protocol? Please learn a little about sustainable development.

Furthermore, low skilled immigration is not required for any country. Low skilled immigration reduces the wages for indigenous low skilled workers, and increases those of high skilled workers causing social polarisation in the indigenous population. Low skilled immigration also costs more than it is worth - all people are allowed education for their children, entitled to health care, must be policed, entitled to pensions etc.

Immigration of high skilled workers however creates more wealth than they cost, decreases social polarisation by equalising pay between higher skilled and lower skilled workers.

This last post is 100% correct. The key issue here is the dependency ratio, not the age ratio. Islamic and/or black immigrnats will have squads of children. They are all dependnets, supported by our economy.

and what about Japan? One of the oldest populations in the world, they've set their face strongly against large-scale immigration.

To the most noble Savant's detractors, who take issue with letting them starve, what alternatives are there? This feed-breed cycle has been going on for sometime, long enough for a pattern to emerge. On a finite planet with finite resources, the feed-breed cycle is self-limiting whether we like it or not. Fewer starving now is more humane that more starving later IMHO.

Great post Savant.Reading the comments merely reinforced my views that the average white European has no concept of what is happening in Africa.What is critical to the entire issue is the fact that Africans simply cannot govern themselves as do Europeans.The sole reason for their lack of food? The white farmers have left...simple.Zim is an excellent (and topical) case in point. Shoo away the "white" farmers and what happens? Famine.See the same thing in South Africa - fire the whites and replace them with Affirmative Action blacks and what do you get? A once first world country infrastructure which is rapidly degenerating. Our water supply, electricity, medical, legal - the works.On virtually every main street corner stands a black with a begging bowl. And the mistake whitey makes is to hand over a few coins.View this on a large Africa scale. These people have become dependant on the west to feed them - so why should they worry?Africa is most definitely not for wimps. It is still very basic and especially more so in those countries where there are no more, or very few whites left.Certainly it is sad to see people die like flies, but then again, it is nature's way.

I'm bringin' this topic back! I have to agree with a previous poster, the starving children on the UNICEF commericals...haven't gotten any older? Obviously there's a cycle, and at this point...I don't think feeding the current starving child is going to keep their children from starving...or the next batch. The correlation between overpopulation and mortality isn't rocket science, the responsibility of developed nations at this point is cloudy. Do we fend for ourselves, reproduce responsibly and manage our resources, or do we spread our foods to the far corners of the deserts where clearly, no life should be? Children arn't that hard to budget for, and they certainly don't just pop out of no-where begging for food, my question isn't "Should we just let these children starve?", but "Should we be charging the irresponsible parents of starving children for murder?"

anonymous 2.39. this is a highly innovative idea. but how would you enforce it? i still believe that if you leave them to their own devices they'll revert to the population levels that can be sustained naturally. i.e. the sitaution before the west intervened.

Savant, you truly are a realist. I agree with you, let them starve (including the ones that made it over here), the piss has been taken out of the White man long enough. Why should we preserve a breed which should have been made extinct long ago! While we're at it, lets send those two egomaniac assholes Bono and Bob Geldof to starve with them!

How true breeding and feeding. Africans do breed like flies. The give, give, hand out begging mentality. Our “white” guilt trip for been white. Aid must come at a price; first no corrupt government gets aid then food aid with sterilization after two babies. I have final left South Africa and the 3rd world halleluiah but alas even in Australia the Somali, Sudanese and Islam breeders are in full swing here but luckily not yet overwhelming. Ireland be-ware, say no! Stay Irish If you want to see the new Africa-India go to London

Even in America - or should that be "of course, in America"!? - the brown-skinned mamas have shitloads of babies, paid for by whitey's welfare. Thus a whole dependent class of homegrown Third Worlders has been created; all they do is feed and breed(and commit crime), and suck at the welfare tit. While whitey struggles to raise one or two kids, paying through the ass for health insurance, education, mortgage, taxes, etc.

Why do we as white people have the right to have as many children as we wish, live in comfort - eating as much meat as we like and get as fat as we like. But people on the other side of the world do not deserve that right??? WE ALL NEED TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR OUR OWN CONSUMPTION & GIVE TO OTHERS WHO WERE NOT LUCKY ENOUGH TO BE BORN INTO A LAND OF PLENTY!

We are told to feel guilty that 1-2-3billion people ( take your pick ) are "starving" like it's our fault that they live in shit places and have piss poor human resource management skills.

A generation ago The West gave the Third World a post colonial gift by way of the Agricultural/Green Revolution. Some emerging economies like China, India, Malasia, South Korea, latterly Indonesia and many others chose to follow the Western way by making things and creating wealth while others chose to procreate, guess which ones are fucked again?

And we see in England, from at least 1250, that the kind of people who succeeded in the economic system – who accumulated assets, got skills, got literacy – increased their representation in each generation. Through the long agrarian passage leading up to the Industrial Revolution man was becoming biologically more adapted to the modern economic world.

Just to address this expotential growth muck. WE DO NOT NEED IMIGRANTS. THEY NEED US. We need to chamge our evonomic model. This is a little hairy but easy to do.IReally hate the fools who harp on about needing imigrants to sustain economiv growth. By stating such rubbish the person is stating I'm fucking financialy illerate yet I'm willing to advise you on your finances.To those people I say fuck off anf keep your uneducated opinions to yourself.

Nations with White/European majorities have been subsidizing Asian and African birthrates for many decades now.

Think about it: without White-invented technologies related to agriculture, water and sewage management, electricity, medicine, transportation, and so on, the infant mortality rate would have remained sky-high in Asia and Africa and their population wouldn’t have grown by BILLIONS in the last century. It was only the exportation of White-invented technologies in to Asia and Africa that allowed their population levels to skyrocket.

White nations (especially the USA) also export untold tons of food each year to Asia and Africa — without that food flowing in to Asia or Africa, which is grown or raised in White nations (especially the USA), many millions of Asians/Africans would starve to death each year.

Around a century ago European-derived Whites were about 1/3 of the world’s population; now we are only around 10% of the overall world population and SHRINKING, while the population levels of Asia and Africa continue to increase.

We need to eject the WHITE SUICIDALISTS from power in Washington DC and in other White nations worldwide if we are ever going to have a chance to recover and save our nation from being swamped by Asians, Africans, Hispanics, etc.

Last week, she said she had a right to have as many children as she wanted, even though she couldn’t support them.

Adams’ comments about social welfare agencies not doing enough to help was widely criticized during the past week. She doesn’t currently have a job. Her children were fathered by three men, including one who is in prison.

This woman is absolutely correct: she has a natural right to produce as many children as she pleases…and the natural responsibility to feed them. And if she doesn’t, Nature has a natural right to take its course. None of that creates an obligation for the rest of us to feed her children. And if it takes the sight of babies dying in the streets to convince these brood sows of that, then that’s what it takes.

That is Angel Yulia Adams or Angel Adams that turns up that result when you do a search.

If you just search for Angel Adams you will turn up with Angel Adams Ph. D and I doubt that they are one and the same.

J Danforth Quayle was laughed at for Murphy Brown showing a child as a lifestyle choice.

Incidentally in a 57 state way he was criticized for his spelling of potato which was spelt potatoe on the spelling card that he held because those New Royal-Potatoes spelt it that way whereas Dumber Than a Sack of Rocksman .... .

I try to use the analogy of cats to explain to some bleeding-heart friends. If you know a colony of 20 stray cats with diarrhoea and eye infections, you feel sorry for them and feed them regularly. You fondly hope you will create a colony of 20 well-fed, healthy cats. But no, what you will get is 40 stray cats with diarrhoea and eye infections and then 80 stray cats with diarrhoea and eye infections etc. Feeding is pointless without population control, be it for cats or people.

Re Anonymous 22.29 - yes, I got it out of you. You're prepared to let children starve.. Charming! You'd have loved a job in a concentration camp. Pity there are no more around

I'd be more than happy to build some. Put some of the lazy slackers to work for their upkeep, sexes separated of course. It's not my job to feed starving Africans, it's my job to feed my own family. Charity begins at home, so yes, let them starve.

here in massachusetts 3rd worlders get first dibs on housing, medical and other assistance, while those who were born adn radsed here for generation get turned away as privilaged white devils, this all coming from white ultra left wing libruls. this shit is gonna explode like a backed up cesspool and something tells me soon, rememner these 3rd worlders lack any form of western scruples, they'll rape pillage and eat your kids of need be

but hte zionist librul have been working hard to pull us all down to the lowest common denominator...abject poverty, except for them of course who live in fortified gated communities

Any biologist will tell you, if a species has an unlimited food supply they will quickly breed to the size of a planet. I watched an interesting show the other day about rats in vietnam. Every 50 or so years the bamboo goes to seed and the rats have a huge food supply and they just breed out of control.

Another thing I wanted to post,Here in america we pay them to have kids.The custody battles here get ugly because each kid is worth a check each month. I live close to the borders of 2 other states. So its little trouble for a person to get welfare in each state. Just need an address in each state.

Anybody who cannot find the logic in this post is a moron. Read books "Overshoot" or another " Peak everything" "The population bomb" before condemning the messenger or the message.

The world population is growing at a hugely unsustainable rate, look at Ethiopia and the population growth since Sir Bob carried out his wonderful work in the 80's. Problem is there are just people there now who at some point will starve. 1982 30 million - 2016 102 million. The weather has not changed.

"And whitey, who of course will get the blame for this, will also provide all the aid, and will still get the blame after that."

Which makes the blame and contempt well-earned.Whites are going against the laws of nature too much. Time for them for some downsizing if not disappearance.Remember nature rewards adaptability, the ability to read situations and adapt.If whites have lost it, why should they keep being around? And why should they have your sympathy.