... I suspect, however, that much of your assumptions about the fiscal policy of the current administration is based upon misinformation, which my party has been keen to spread the past several years...

Right there I knew all debate is pointless. Pre-conceived (and in this case ill-conceived) notions do not for objective discourse make.

Anyway what's the point? You have your set of numbers, data, and "facts" like the ones people on both sides of the aisle throw out about the stimulus packages you made mention of (which in truth were flat-out neither the economic disaster NOR boom that they are made out to be by the respective sides). I have my set of numbers and data which I interpreted through my own prism of knowledge, experience, rational judgement, and good ole-fashioned guessing to mean something. I think the difference is I freely admit don't have a friggin' clue if anything I believe is right or sound - I only trust that I arrived at my conclusions with calculated deliberation over said info and came to the best conclusion I could. I could easily be wrong. But no one else will ever admit that. Everyone KNOWS EVERYTHING, but no one but dumbasses ever run for political office.

Just the two points you make, about the level of Obama's fiscal irresponsibility relative to other administrations and the stimulus's (stimuli?) that both he and Bush cooked up can be easily refuted simply by me throwing a different set of equally valid and applicable (not to mention linkable) data - but to what end? Does it change anything?

All I need to do is put forth the simple, inarguable point that as things are, our country is an embarrassment in nearly every way. I don't need any links, numbers, data, or whatever else to make that self-evident point. The evidence is all around. I'll leave the Blame-storming to others. It's worse than useless, and counterproductive.

This comment was edited on Aug 23, 2012, 13:15.

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