A few more though:
-Is it actually rideable with that level of clearance?
-Can you use the granny ring?
-What about the typical offset on the Pug's wheels? Were you able to re-dish, or is that a new wheel?

A Highline would surely offer even more clearance.

Last edited by miles e; 03-19-2006 at 05:27 AM.

''It seems like a bit of a trend, everyone trying to make things longer over the last couple of years" Sam Hill

Sooo, I just went out and measured my 1999 RFX seatstay width and it is not wide enough for the 3.0's. It's nowhere near 4+" wide, although the chainstays ARE wide enough. If I ordered a replacement 6 Pack / RFX rear triangle that is what I'd get? And it would bolt up to my front triangle pivots?

just a recommendation: take the o-ring off of the green knob on top and use that as your travel indicator. The o-ring is a pain in the arse and serves no purpose. If you have extra clearance, you can also shave the 29er spacers to give you more travel. Also recommend 15cc of redrum-5wt (50-50mix) under the negative air spring for more progressive feel. These are just things that helped me customize our shop 29er demo.

No granny. I left the 3 smallest cogs off the cassette (the loose ones) and used spacers to move the cassette out. It's a 1x6 right now. 118mm e-type bb spaced about 4mm to the drive side with spacers. I could gain a lot more clearance if I tried, but that's what I had laying around. The chain clears the tire with no issues using this setup.

The tire just barely buzzes the f der stop at full compression. I added 5 psi to the shock. Problem solved. It's a snow bike. I'm not going huge on this thing. The rear wheel is something I built from parts of other wheels. Since going to the Mav fork I had the old rigid fork's front wheel sitting there so I unlaced it and put it on an XT with some spare spokes with no wacky dish. It's just a regular wheel with a wide rim.

Originally Posted by mtnbikerx

If I ordered a replacement 6 Pack / RFX rear triangle that is what I'd get? And it would bolt up to my front triangle pivots?

Yup. Another damn cool thing about Turner stuff: cross-generational compatability. You can see the clearance in the pics below. BTW- 37.4 bone-crushing pounds as currently set up.

Last night I was looking at the two Spot rear triangles that I have and I was thinking I should pop the Endo off the Pugsley's front tire and see what the Marge looks like in there. If the Marge clears you could *probably* squeeze something like a 2.7 Timberwolf in the Spot traingle. I'll check it after work later tonight...

It's not what you know, or even who you know. It's what sticker sheets have.

Seriously though, why didn't you get a 6-Pack rear triangle? Having a variety of parts at your disposal is definitely the way to go.

The Push DHXa was a goof, I saw your frankenFox thread.

As far as the rear my thinking was the Spack and making the Spot uber XC. Maybe I should have gone with a Pack rear. I was thinking that the other day too. But from looking at the 5-Pack threads and your tests/graphs/charts with the Spot rear, I think I'll be good to go.

Well, anyway, this thing KICKS ASS! If you have a Pugs on order, cancel it. Tell DT on Monday that you want a 6-Pack rear triangle and call up Larry for the other shiny bits. It rides just like a Turner, but goes ANYWHERE. Freaking fun.

But enough yapping, let's get to the bike porn.

Another clearance shot:

Spacers to move the cranks out, and the chain-tire clearance (in the second largest cog in back- the largest works great too):

oh man what got into you tscheezy? that's a Mav Uh Wreck fork up front? your boredom is a dangerous thing. I'd suggest a custom CrMo rigid fork, a chi-chi version of the Karate Monkey thing. then you could replace that rear damper with a Push'd bar of billet Alu.

Gonz, I'm crestfallen! You always tell us we weight-weenie our bikes out too much. Well, I finally get my Spot up to 37 pounds with wheels so heavy Josh Bender would blanch , and all I get from you is "well, ya focked up again."

Knowing how wide an endomorph track is, that bear track looks even bigger than I expected.

How does that rear track compare to that of an average Kodiak brown?

{Principal Skinner} Hmm. Whoever did this is in very deep trouble.
{Martin} And a sloppy speller too. The preferred spelling of 'wiener' is w - i - e - n - e - r, although 'e - i' is an acceptable ethnic variant.

Gonz, I'm crestfallen! You always tell us we weight-weenie our bikes out too much. Well, I finally get my Spot up to 37 pounds with wheels so heavy Josh Bender would blanch , and all I get from you is "well, ya focked up again."

I think I'll go cry now.

I thought maybe I'd ignore the obvious interesting addition of snow rims/tires, which must make for some nice riding.

nice photo of that 2-stegosaurus-armor peak next to the shoreline. pretty startling contrast between snow at elevation and warmer valley.

Well, I finally get my Spot up to 37 pounds with wheels so heavy Josh Bender would blanch , and all I get from you is "well, ya focked up again."

Don't forget to add in an extra 10 or more pounds for the truing stand and spoke wrenches you are going to have to carry in your backpack at all times. Even more if you if you bring a couple of refreshing adult beverages to drain while truing.

Here is my next drivetrain mod. I cut the dropout interface off one der hanger and JB Welded it to another hanger. This will move the rear der out. I was having some problems getting the low der stop set correctly with the cassette sitting so far outboard. I added one cog back and that basically fixed the issue, but I still want to push the thing as far out as possible and at some point be able to access the granny ring too. If I can do that I will consider the project totally conquered.

Edit: here is the new, improved dropout. It moves the der outboard a bit, which cleared up whatever der weirdness I was experiencing. I went back to 6 cogs also for mucho clearance. No rest until I can run two rings up front as well. I am doing this as a service to all of Homerdom (those that live near sand or snow anyway) and so that I don't have to buy Barny a Pugs next winter .

Here's the product. It pretty much negated the weird issues I was having. I went back to 6 cogs for mucho clearance and now the thing shifts as well as a stock setup. Sweet. I am going to keep messing with the clearance until I can run two rings up front. I'm a determined man.

Note the black der limit screw in the last pic above. That is actually a b-tension screw out of another Sram der I am using since the stock der limit screw is too short.

What are we doing? Well, yer lookin' at it. Did a road ride today too. Sea kayaking is still a month out for me. Snowboarding is still good and getting better. Now that the days are long we gravitate more towards snow sports. Once the snow is gone we will pay more attention to other stuff. I do ride all year though.

Some bears are waking up. We have about 4 near town now that I know of. Those tracks in the pic are of a sow and cub transiting my trails one day. The snow fell the night before so they probably were there in the morning, and I rode in the afternoon.

I ditched the outermost 3 cassette cogs again, and spaced the remaining cassette spider outward as far as possible. This helps the cassette to line up with the chainrings which now sit farther outboard. The chain taps on the driveside rear seat stay pivot when in the smallest cog, but otherwise the drivetrain works great. I still have my double wide der hanger which allows the der to feed the cassette cogs normally. Sweet.

The chain clearance when in the 22/24 combo:

Large Marge and Nokian Gazzaloddi 3.0 tire clearance:

I can now run "normal" gearing, including shifting into the granny ring. I got a 126mm spindle bottom bracket (ES-51) and when combined with some old XT cranks, the cranks sit far enough outboard to allow it all to come to gether. Sweet.

I did the experiments on my own Sultan, but I am going to migrate this setup to Barny's 5-Spot and skip the rather annoying Rohloff setup. I put that together recently too, but we both prefer derailleurs.

Some pretty slick winter setups there. I'm curious about the Rohloff; do you notice any thickening of the oil in really cold temps that effects shifting? How about wheel removal, does the cable box on the non drive side come off easily? I'm thinking about fixing flats etc. Rohloffs have always intriguted me and I'm surprised more homers don't run them considering the UGI that runs through this place.

We run the all-season oil in the Rohloff, and I have not noticed any significant change in behavior with temps, but we have only ridden it down to about 10F. The cable box pops right off after loosening that knurled wheel on the outside. Very easy. The chain tensioner does sort of sit in the way however. A Surly Singulator would be better.

I personally don't care for how the Rohloff works. The lockout between gears 7 and 8 can be maddening, the shifter is vague in feel and a huge chunk on the bars, it weighs a ton, and the constant whirring sensation from the back is weird. I just don't see any advantage over a conventional drivetrain to be honest, and we ride in some pretty severe conditions. It can't touch a nice Sram system for crisp and fast shifts. I know folks swear by them and they are supposed to be reliable and all, but for me the benefits don't outweigh the detractions. I already switched the Barny Snauxmobile over to derailleurs.

I just put the finishing touches on Barny's Snaux Flux. It comes in a 34.4 pounds. Not bad for a bike with truck wheels.

The one hurdle I have been tripping over was the glued-together rear der hanger. For some reason the epoxies I have been using just did not bond the two pieces of aluminum permanently, so now I have switched to a bolt-together hanger with countersunk heads for skewer/derailleur/cassette-lockring clearance:

Today we knocked out about 15 miles of some of the most superb snowbiking conditions we have ever experienced here. The surface was very firm and traction was great. The sun was blazing and all was right with the world. The route took us from the coast up a river valley to the mouth of a canyon, and then up the canyon until it got too narrow to continue. We more or less made our way back out along the same path. The new Snaux Flux totally ruled the conditions.

On the road in to the American River:

On the river bed itself (it is dry much of the year):

Leaving the valley and heading into the canyon:

Up the canyon we go:

Mountain goats at the turnaround point:

Heading out:

(Note the big bear tracks on the left bank)

You have to criss-cross the creek over and over. There were plenty of snow bridges to accomplish exactly that:

This may be the only

Turner with buns of steel! This rear was fabricated out of aircraft cro-moly by a friend who is aircraft mechanic, among other things. I'd be happy to remove it (after the riding is over), take apart and trace it for you - it can't be that hard to copy now that it has been done once. Your riding in Kodiak looks phenomenal! No crust riding in Anc yet, but regular riding has been excellent all around. It is nice that snowshoe people are willing to sacrifice their dignity to provide us with rock hard, flat, trails 16" wide!!

OMG...that HAS to be tighter than Hillary clittons.........shunting the grown factor a bit though in terms of the tyres horizontal growth/ expansion over hot slimy gunky days, are'nt you? J/K

tscheezy, as always mate, GREAT bike and I really would love to take it over some really good snowy conditions RIGHT now here in J-Land, although I am in Taiwan tomorrow though! Oh well, you could always send that monsterous 37-point something or other up to me here though for a few days of muff burning splendor, he he he

Originally Posted by tscheezy

Sooo.... what's your point?

Such a defeatist attitude, mon frer. You've owned a Titus too long.

No granny. I left the 3 smallest cogs off the cassette (the loose ones) and used spacers to move the cassette out. It's a 1x6 right now. 118mm e-type bb spaced about 4mm to the drive side with spacers. I could gain a lot more clearance if I tried, but that's what I had laying around. The chain clears the tire with no issues using this setup.

The tire just barely buzzes the f der stop at full compression. I added 5 psi to the shock. Problem solved. It's a snow bike. I'm not going huge on this thing. The rear wheel is something I built from parts of other wheels. Since going to the Mav fork I had the old rigid fork's front wheel sitting there so I unlaced it and put it on an XT with some spare spokes with no wacky dish. It's just a regular wheel with a wide rim.

Yup. Another damn cool thing about Turner stuff: cross-generational compatability. You can see the clearance in the pics below. BTW- 37.4 bone-crushing pounds as currently set up.

Oh...tscheezy, I still love your GF rear view too buddy, you can send them both if you want, he he he (insert cheeky smile) I just saw the really truely beautiful pics (post edit) of Alaska there mate, simply stunning is all I can say.