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Re: SEC Football Discussion Thread

This is an example of why alot of college football fans hate the SEC and a perfect representation of the average Bama fan. At least this one has apparently set foot on a college campus (according to the article) though clearly it isn't one with a history department....

"He's (Saban) a winner, he just does what he wants to do," says Lee Allen, an Alabama fan from Decatur. "He's kind of like Hitler. He's a dictator. He brought us back to the top and I figure we're going to be here for a while. Money well spent."

"This isnít stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner

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Johnny Football might have actually stepped in it this time....he's being investigated for signing autographs in what is being alleged was a five-figure deal.

If you look at the penalties for Green at Georgia (sold a jersey for roughly $1000----4 games) and the whole OSU free tattoo thing (free tattoos-5 games), then JM might be looking at sitting out a season. He'll obviously practice (A&M gets underway tomorrow) but I don't think it's a certainty that he'll be eligible for the Bama game.

Given the number of starters that A&M lost on both sides of the ball, they can not afford to lose JM for any significant time.

"This isnít stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner

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Re: SEC Football Discussion Thread

Jeeps, I'm already sick of hearing about Johnny Manziel. We think we know that the NCAA is investigating the possibility of an illegal benefit and the large amount of high quality Manziel autographed memorability that appeared on the market at the time of the alledged deal probably justifies the NCAA poking into it.

I vote for waiting for more facts rather than filling in the void with supposition. It could get interesting is this lingers into the last week of the August as A&M will need to make a decision about whether to play JM once the season begins or to sit him. Maybe the number of reps he gets in practice will be a tell? This will be an interesting issue if the NCAA doesn't make some type of decision during practice this month.

"This isnít stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner

Re: SEC Football Discussion Thread

Originally Posted by jojo

Jeeps, I'm already sick of hearing about Johnny Manziel. We think we know that the NCAA is investigating the possibility of an illegal benefit and the large amount of high quality Manziel autographed memorability that appeared on the market at the time of the alledged deal probably justifies the NCAA poking into it.

I vote for waiting for more facts rather than filling in the void with supposition. It could get interesting is this lingers into the last week of the August as A&M will need to make a decision about whether to play JM once the season begins or to sit him. Maybe the number of reps he gets in practice will be a tell? This will be an interesting issue if the NCAA doesn't make some type of decision during practice this month.

Circumstantial evidence won't get it done. Someone would have to step forward and testify or offer some kind of proof. It won't be the slimey sports memorabilia guy unless he is saving his ass for some other reason. It would have to be someone from Johnny's entourage or someone he bragged to. Unlikely the NCAA will find the proof they need - which doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Re: SEC Football Discussion Thread

Originally Posted by jojo

Johnny Football might have actually stepped in it this time....he's being investigated for signing autographs in what is being alleged was a five-figure deal.

If you look at the penalties for Green at Georgia (sold a jersey for roughly $1000----4 games) and the whole OSU free tattoo thing (free tattoos-5 games), then JM might be looking at sitting out a season. He'll obviously practice (A&M gets underway tomorrow) but I don't think it's a certainty that he'll be eligible for the Bama game.

Given the number of starters that A&M lost on both sides of the ball, they can not afford to lose JM for any significant time.

Re: SEC Football Discussion Thread

Originally Posted by puca

Circumstantial evidence won't get it done. Someone would have to step forward and testify or offer some kind of proof. It won't be the slimey sports memorabilia guy unless he is saving his ass for some other reason. It would have to be someone from Johnny's entourage or someone he bragged to. Unlikely the NCAA will find the proof they need - which doesn't mean it didn't happen.

5 figures/the # of alledged items is large enough that you'd think some kind of paper trail could be reasonably followed.

If the NCAA looks at phone records, texts, bank records, witness statements etc and can't find a single reason to suspect the allegations are true, then really it's reasonable to assume it didn't happen given the size of the special benefit alledged. That said, they may not get access to that kind of information in this investigation.

"This isnít stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner

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Wait, shouldn't all of this be blamed on Sumlin for the culture he has created at Texas A&M?

Bama boosters in conjunction with Bama alumni in the media set Johnny Football up.

"This isnít stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner

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I hate the NCAA.http://espn.go.com/college-football/...graph-signingsThe value of Manziel is clear in the memorabilia and appearance market: Independent merchandiser Aggieland Outfitters recently auctioned off six helmets signed by Manziel and Texas A&M's other Heisman Trophy winner, John David Crow, for $81,000. Texas A&M's booster organization, the 12th Man Foundation, sold a table for six, where Manziel and Crow will sit at the team's Kickoff Dinner later this month, for $20,000.

Manziel can't sell his autograph for 10 cents or he could be suspended.

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A&M would be stupid not to be 8 steps ahead of the investigation.

"This isnít stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner

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Originally Posted by dougdirt

I hate the NCAA.http://espn.go.com/college-football/...graph-signingsThe value of Manziel is clear in the memorabilia and appearance market: Independent merchandiser Aggieland Outfitters recently auctioned off six helmets signed by Manziel and Texas A&M's other Heisman Trophy winner, John David Crow, for $81,000. Texas A&M's booster organization, the 12th Man Foundation, sold a table for six, where Manziel and Crow will sit at the team's Kickoff Dinner later this month, for $20,000.

Manziel can't sell his autograph for 10 cents or he could be suspended.

It really is time for all of this crap to end.

Yep.
There is probably no sports organization more hypocritical than the NCAA.

Re: SEC Football Discussion Thread

Apparently the mysterious chronic medical condition that caused Caleb Gulledge to be medically disqualified from Alabama and roused a tearful, anguished goodbye from Coach Saban this spring as Bama needed to reduce its roster from 97 to 85 has magically been cured. Go figure!

"This isnít stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner

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