To:python-listSubject:comp.lang.pythonRFDagainFrom:Guido.van.Rossum@cwi.nlI've followed the recent discussion and trimmed the blurb RFD down a bit(and added the word "object-oriented" to the blurb).I don'tthinkit's too early to *try* to create the newsgroup --whether we will succeed may depend on how many Python supporters thereare outside the mailing list.I'mpersonallynotworriedaboutmoderation,andanywayIhaven'theard from any volunteers for moderation (and I won'tvolunteermyself)soIsuggestthatwe'll continue to ask for one unmoderatednewsgroup.My next action will be to post an updated FAQ (which will hint at theupcoming RFD) to comp.lang.misc; then finalize the 1.0.0 release andput it on the ftp site. I'llalsotrytogetitintocomp.sources.unixor.misc.AndallthisbeforetheendofJanuary!--GuidovanRossum,CWI,Amsterdam<Guido.van.Rossum@cwi.nl>URL:<http://www.cwi.nl/cwi/people/Guido.van.Rossum.html>======================================================================Thesearethestepsrequired(incaseyoudon't know about thenewsgroup creation process):First, we need to draw up an RFD (Request For Discussion). This is adocument that tells what the purpose of the group is, and gives a casefor its creation. We post this to relevant groups (comp.lang.misc,the mailing list, news.groups, etc.) Discussion is held onnews.groups.Then, after a few weeks, we run the official CFV (Call For Votes).The votes are then collected over a period of weeks. We need 100 moreyes votes than no votes, and a 2/3 majority, to get the group.There are some restrictions on the vote taker: [s]he cannot activelycampaign for/against the group during the vote process. So the mainbenefit to Steve instead of me running the vote is that I will be freeto campaign for its creation!The following is our current draft for the RFD.======================================================================Request For Discussion: comp.lang.pythonPurpose-------The newsgroup will be for discussion on the Python computer language.Possible topics include requests for information, general programming,development, and bug reports. The group will be unmoderated.What is Python?---------------Python is a relatively new very-high-level language developed inAmsterdam. Python is a simple, object-oriented procedural language,with features taken from ABC, Icon, Modula-3, and C/C++.Its central goal is to provide the best of both worlds: the dynamicnature of scripting languages like Perl/TCL/REXX, but also support forgeneral programming found in the more traditional languages like Icon,C, Modula,...Python may be FTP'dfromthefollowingsites:ftp.cwi.nlindirectory/pub/python(its"home site",alsohasaFAQ)ftp.uu.netindirectory/languages/pythongatekeeper.dec.comindirectory/pub/plan/python/cwiRationale---------Currentlythereisamailinglistwithover130subscribers.Theactivityofthislistishigh,andtomakehandlingthetrafficmorereasonable,anewsgroupisbeingproposed.Wealsofeelthatcomp.lang.miscwouldnotbeasuitableforumforthisvolumeofdiscussiononaparticularlanguage.Charter-------Comp.lang.pythonisanunmoderatednewsgroupwhichwillserveasaforumfordiscussingthePythoncomputerlanguage.ThegroupwillserveboththosewhojustprograminPythonandthosewhoworkondevelopingthelanguage.Topicsthatmaybediscussedinclude:-announcementsofnewversionsofthelanguageandapplicationswritteninPython.-discussionontheinternalsofthePythonlanguage.-generalinformationaboutthelanguage.-discussiononprogramminginPython.Discussion----------AnyobjectionstothisRFDwillbeconsideredand,ifdeterminedtobeappropriate,willbeincorporated.Thediscussionperiodwillbeforaperiodof21daysafterwhichthefirstCFVwillbeissued.