Rich

David

gator HATER!

When most P5 teams schedule these games we call them cupcakes and blast them (SEC). When The Mighty Jayhawks schedule them we call it HOPE! Hope that Kansas can get a rare win or hope that an FCS can beat a so called FBS. Win, Win!!!!!

Gray Grantham

Who is the Rocket Scientist that decided to rent out Jerry World to play the worst team in teh Big 12?

I get that you’re going to play KU, its on the schedule can’t really trade them in for, say,…a team with a winning record. But somebody please tell me Tech isn’t giving up ticket sales and paying rent for Jerry World to play a world class L O S E R.

Jeff

Lots of factors going into this, to be sure. For one, yeah, Texas hasn’t been at their best so it wasn’t the ideal time to try to “amend” a tradition. Plus, I’m not sure the flipping back-and-forth between Tech and TCU and having it ON Thanksgiving is working that well anyway. Now that (former UT athletic director) Patterson is gone, I could see the administration seeing the reality of the situation: it worked well when you hosted a game every other year against a rival, but hosting the game EVERY year? As a Texas alum and fan, I’ve had to go from a situation where I could alternate between hosting Thanksgiving in Austin and attending the game and then following up with traveling to see other family and watching on TV… to a situation where I either miss half the games or piss off my family from ducking a family holiday to go to the game every year. I’d imagine that lots of the students, alumni, fans, and even the university and stadium staff are facing the same thing. So, personally, I don’t know if UT was going to argue with this too much. It would be far more ideal if the game was in Austin on thanksgiving semi-annually, but TCU and Tech are both even less prepared to host the game on turkey day.

Maybe it will be an every-other-year thing now…? But as you pointed out, even when we were playing A&M the game had often been played on black Friday…

Shep

I went to the 2009 game at A&M when I went to SHSU, I had a great time – but I am also a native Metro Detroiter, and the Lions game is of course a yearly tradition. I think something like that needs more time for people to become accustomed to, or a better time slot. With the Lions always playing the early game it worked out well if we attended the game and then did a family function, I can see how the evening UT slot made that more difficult.

Tully

In 2015 59 of the 63 teams which make up the P5 teams will have one bye week. And then there is Big 12 scheduling. WVU, KSU, Texas and Baylor will be the only teams in all of the P5 teams to have two bye weeks.

Smooth move Big 12. Even within the conference WVU, KSU, Texas and Baylor have an advantage over the other six teams. Add in KSU and Baylor have no P5 OOC games and this scheduling looks even worse.

Kevin

In regards to these teams having an advantage because they are the only teams with two byes. WVU, KSU, Texas and Baylor. I haven’t looked at the rest of the P5 schedules but these 4 teams play on a Thursday and have the Saturday before off as you cant play Saturday, Thursday, Saturday. WVU has a bye in week three which was a result of joining the Big12 and had to cancel a game that week and then plays at Baylor, gets the next week off and then goes at TCU on Thursday night and since they travel more than any other team in all of college football for conference games (maybe besides Hawaii) this was also a factor for fairness.

Kyle

Ricky W

The OOC schedules for Baylor, Oklahoma St and Kansas St are a disgrace. That’s why these programs will never earn a playoff berth. Those weak schedules weaken the overall XII strength of schedule, negative impacting the XII programs who dare to schedule stronger opponents. Texas, Oklahoma, West Virginia and TCU should be pressing their fellow brethren to get their ship into shape.

Also without a conference championship, the XII will forever remain behind the Pac-12 which plays 9-game schedule AND a conference championship. The B1G will be going to a 9-game conference schedule in 2016.

The XII needs to be true to their name and get back to 12. But if not suffer the consequences.

Ricky W

But looking at the disgraceful OOC schedules for Baylor, Oklahoma St and Kansas St. those three programs effectively have more then two byes. And each are playing for nothing more than a bowl game. Potential recruits be aware!

Tully

This will be the first year in a very long time that Texas will play two OOC teams that are in P5 (or BCS conferences). Texas felt pressure to change how they scheduled in 2009 when they had four OOC games and none were with any teams from a BCS conference.

In fact the Texas 2009 team and the OU 2000 teams are the only teams which made an appearance in a BCSNCG while going 0-0 in OOC games with BCS teams. Even the SEC teams which made the BCSNCG never did that.

So let’s hold off praising Texas for doing what other teams have been doing for years.

Travis B

Yes we know that no CCG is the reason for the bye. It shouldn’t be though. If they don’t want a CCG, they shouldn’t be able to schedule games on CCG (postseason) weekend.

Other conferences have to fit their 12 game regular season schedule in a 13 or 14 week period (depending on the season) and the B12 has to fit their 12 game regular season schedule in a 14 or 15 week period (cause of no CCG)

I think this is an unfair advantage that shouldn’t be allowed. CCG weekend should be allowed for CCG’s only and teams that are playing an extra 13th, non-regular season game.

Ricky W

Should not boast about Texas schedule as they play no CCG, and get an extra bye week to rest, recover and prepare, unlike programs from other P5 conference programs.

The XII cannot fulfill its bowl commitments this season, with OK St, Texas Tech, Kansas
and Iowa St not playing in a bowl. And Baylor’s lightweight OOC schedule should keep them out of a major bowl.

If the XII is not motivated to bring in two more programs, maybe its time for the XII to split up, with half going to the four other P5 conferences and and the other half to G5 conferences. And if Texas doesn’t want to share TV revenue then they can go independent, like Notre Dame.

Tully

A couple of examples of the absurdity of the Big 12 schedule.
Texas Tech will play 11 games with out a bye week. After the bye week Texas Tech will play their last game of the season in week 13.
Kansas will have a bye week in week 3, then play 10 consecutive weeks, ending their season in week 13.
Baylor will have bye weeks in week 3 and again on week 9, ending their season on week 14
KSU will have bye weeks4 and again on week 9, ending their season on week 14.
Well it is funny to see Oklahoma get screwed too. One bye week on week 4 and then play nine consecutive weeks and finish their season week 13.

I think the two bye weeks for Baylor and KSU are even more absurd as they are two of three Big 12 teams not playing any OOC games with P5 teams.

The Big 12, where, they all play with each other, it is just some Big 12 teams a more equal than others.

Debra Heston

Debra

I am hoping that the Big 12 can get some more good college football teams in like the Big 10 did. I would enjoy seeing the playoff games again with the Big 12 name on it. Does anyone have a team or two that would like to join the Big 12. Maybe a team from California or another Texas team.

I think both rivalries should be renew. That’s good for both conferences and the teams involved. Maybe all the SEC teams should make an annual rivalry with another team from another Group Five conference. Georgia, Florida, and South Carolina has Georgia Tech, Florida State, and Clemson, respectively.

The Alabama and Mississippi schools don’t have any logical, proximate opponents. May be they could look at annual Big Ten matchups. Alabama-Michigan, Auburn-Michigan St. and Ole Miss-Purdue and Mississippi St.-Indiana would be cool.

Dan

BOTH Missouri AND Texas A&M wanted a divorce from the Big 12, initially threatening the Big 12 league survival, and resulting in a continuing NCAA opposition to a Big 12 Football playoff, with only 10 remaining teams in the league. NEITHER Missouri NOR Texas A&M deserves a Big 12 rival EVER again. If you ask for a divorce, then don’t come back asking for some hanky-panky.

JoeD

It seemed to me that the departing schools, all four of them, weren’t divorcing the Big 12 as much as they were gagging on Texas arrogance which Texas continues regularly to put on exhibit. I have no horse in the race but none of the schools that fled appear the worse for it.

Omaha Tiger

Travis B

Nice post. But you did happen to leave out the fact that UT, OU, OSU, TTU, and others were talking to the Pac12 at the same as some of the other departures. They were looking for a new home just like the others were. During this process, they weren’t thinking about the Big12 and it’s future.

Don’t sit here and act like UT stayed and did it for the Big12. They did it for themselves. For the time being, the Big12 was their best option, they didn’t get what they wanted from the Pac12. Because of that they stayed. Remember, as soon as they get the chance to leave and make more money, they will jump all over it. Even if they never leave the Big12, it’s hypocritical to act like they are angels during this realignment stuff.

If this rivalry is ever going to continue, it has to take two willing participants from BOTH sides to make it happen. Until then, we won’t see this game, unless they meet in a bowl…

Travis B

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Kyle

Good to see there are others here with enough sense to call out ALL-CAPS DAN. So many holes in your argument I wouldn’t have known where to start. Like JoeD was saying, tu arrogance is the sole reason for the decimation of the Big 12. For those that may be unaware, the Big 12 is not an equal revenue sharing league. Meaning tu and OU get a disgustingly disproportionate share while the others more or less get scraps. If you think that’s fair I will listen to that argument because I know they also generate a lot of money. However, how can you blame these four teams for jumping to equal revenue sharing conferences? In the SEC Bama and Vandy get the same share and the result is a close-knit group of teams that regularly exhibit camaraderie in the form of “S-E-C!” chants.

Also, your marriage analogy would have worked much better if there weren’t already a precedent set for annual out-of-conference rivalries (like idk….. OU vs. tu wow! they weren’t always in the same conference!?!). And, since when does leaving a conference hold the weight of a moratorium on future games? Teams come and go, conferences are created, some split, some dissolve, but rivalries, especially the two in question, are mainstays in college football. To say that fans “deserve” to be denied the opportunity to see their beloved schools compete with a century-long rival is pure ignorance on your part, ALL-CAPS DAN. I know you are all sorts of butt-hurt about how sucky the Big 12 is now, but in time you may grow the balls to step out of the junior circuit and challenge a real P5 conference team.

G of F

I am not an Big12, Big10, PAC12, or SEC fan so I don’t quite understand but it seems that there is a lot more aingst towards Mizzou and TAMU leaving the Big12 than there is towards Colorado and Nebraska for leaving. Why the difference in attitude towards the schools now in the SEC?

Snoopy

Mizzou and Aggie inferiority complexes? I think the Aggies claimed like an additional 5 B12 titles and 3 national championships after they left. The move was supposed to “transform” their programs and kill the B12 and their big rivals along with it. I live in Houston and there’s a lot of Aggie chest beating after a season in which their big wins were Vandy & Dook. Mizzou I’m less familiar with but it seems like they’re still in their big 12 cycle of winning the conferences weak sister division but never winning the conference.

Tom

It was because the conference took steps to address the issues that concerned schools after Nebraska and Colorado left. All of the schools were then asked to reconfirm their commitment, and Mizzou and A&M lied. They started looking for a way out immediately, and that led to the lack of stability.

I will tell you that Kansas will not play Mizzou again specifically because Brady Deaton sat across the table from the other chancellors and lied to their faces about where Mizzou was in relation to the SEC. Worse, it was made clear that Mizzou preferred to see the Big 12 fold in an effort to avoid paying fees to leave. If Kansas ever decides to play Mizzou, it will not be while Sheahon Zenger is the AD, nor while Bernadette Gray-Little is the chancellor.

I’m not sure how Kansas is the one pouting when it is Mizzou crying every year that they want to play Kansas. The reality is, Mizzou fans cry about everyone hating them. Texas, he Big 12, the NCAA, the KC Star, the Post-Dispatch, and ESPN of all been “haters” towards Mizzou. I wonder, once they start crying about how they are treated by the SEC, if it will ever dawn on them that maybe their is a reason everybody thinks so little of them.

Fogle

Hey Tom. Not telling the whole story. Proposal was on the table for Granting of Rights or sharing of revenues, though still not completely equal when it came to 3rd tier rights. Some including Mizzou and a&M wanted this equal sharing to go for 20 years. Texas and probably Oklahoma wanted this to go for 6 years. Texas A & M splits for the SEC. Mizzou was still willing to stay in this screwd up league but still was willing to stay for a 20 year grant of rights.They still didn’t think it was fair. They didn’t think the unfair, unequal 3rd tier portion was fair. This included the Longhorn network. But, they were willing to sign a 13 year compromise. Virtually overnight it leaked that OU and OSU were talking to the Pac12. Mizzou did the right thing. They said this is one screwed up conference that is floundering and making no attempts to replace Colorado, Nebraska, Texas A&M. At the same time all teams were claiming to be all in, some were negotiating with other conferences.The best sports conference wanted us. A conference where Vandy shares equally with Alabama. They left for greener pastures. The less than 12 blew it immensely.

Omaha Tiger

Bill (the one that's commenting for years not the newbie) said

I agree with most of the proposed matchups, but they will probably never happen because neither opponent wants a home and home rivalry. They need lesser teams to travel to them so they can have 7 or 8 home games each year. From a dollars and sense standpoint why should Tennessee and WV (just as an example) play each other on the road every year when they can both have home games against CUSA and MAC teams?

For the case of Tennessee, I made that comment cause articles are popping up about the SEC teams having a weak schedule OOC schedule, due to playing FCS schools and the requirement of 1 FBS isn’t good enough with a 8-game conference format. I was just matching up SEC teams with an annual “Group of Five” teams.

I figured West Virginia would be a good annual rival with Tennessee, due to distances for West Virginia, since most of their games are farther away (Big 12 teams). Kentucky has Louisville already, and I thought Tennessee would match better with a Big 12 team than an ACC team. Tennessee could match up with a Big Ten team, but that might be too much for an ANNUAL rivalry.

Ricky W

Comparing leaving one conference for another to a divorce and marriage is ludicrous. Big egos in play. Give it a little time and the rivalries will return. The sooner the better. In college football money always wins.

Ricky W

Bill (the older one)… the B12 will want to be scheduling a minimum of one non-conf game against a power conference program, to increase their SOS so to increase chance to be selected for college playoff. You will see B12 programs, in general, begin managing their non-conference schedules like the P12 and B1G. That is, one game against power conference, one game against group of five conference, and another game against either a group of five or an FCS program. Sure exceptions to the rule will exist, but in general, this will what you will see with the three power conferences with 9-game conference schedules.

Omaha Tiger

UGA plays GT. Syracuse just lined up a series with Georgetown. Missouri leaving is not why Kansas won’t play them. They won’t play them because the need 3 easy games to have a prayer for bowl eligibility. Hell, they can’t even win the hand picked cupcakes they play. Just come out and say that’s the reason.

Bill (the one that's commenting for years not the newbie) said

Frank B

Dan said: “BOTH Missouri AND Texas A&M … resulting in a continuing NCAA opposition to a Big 12 Football playoff, with only 10 remaining teams in the league”
Actually, the Big 12 dropped to 10 teams as a result of Nebraska & Colorado leaving the season before. Safe to say that if Missouri had not left, the Big 12 would not have added West Virginia, and the conference would still be a 10 team conference as it was before Missouri left. The Big 12 has not pursued getting back to 12 teams due to Texas being opposed to that.

G of F said: “it seems that there is a lot more angst towards Mizzou and TAMU leaving the Big12 than there is towards Colorado and Nebraska for leaving. Why the difference in attitude towards the schools now in the SEC?”
Excellent question which I have yet to see anyone answer. No one in the Big 12 seems to be angry at all towards Nebraska & Colorado, even though it was the departure of those two schools that ended the conference’s football championship game.

Tom said: “I’m not sure how Kansas is the one pouting when it is Mizzou crying every year that they want to play Kansas.”
Except for statements made at various press conferences at the time Mizzou left the Big 12, I have not seen Mizzou personnel bring this up. But they don’t duck questions about it either. Media members do keep bringing this up, with Mizzou’s typical response being “We’re willing to play. It’s up to Kansas.” Most recently, when Mike Alden was asked about the chances of the Mizzou-Kansas rivalry starting back up, his response was to smile and say that he had no idea. I don’t see any “crying” there.

Tom said: “it was made clear that Mizzou preferred to see the Big 12 fold in an effort to avoid paying fees to leave.”
With perhaps the sole exception of Tom above, no one believed there was any chance the Big 12 would fold when Mizzou left; at least not before the expiration of the 6-year grant of rights expired. And there was no way Mizzou was going to not be required to pay their exit fee prior to that time.

Tom said: “specifically because Brady Deaton sat across the table from the other chancellors and lied to their faces” … “the conference took steps to address the issues that concerned schools after Nebraska and Colorado left”
While I had not heard this accusation until recently, it appears a number of Kansas fans sincerely believe this; and not just ones resorting to hyperbole like Tom. The steps taken by the conference (the 6-year grant of rights), did not address the issues (the Lone Star Network) that concerned the schools, but was intended to provide a 6-year period of stability, with the idea being that those 6 years would be used to come up with a solution to the issues that concerned the member schools. Maybe I’m looking at this through black & gold tinted glasses, but I do believe that Deaton believed he had achieved that goal. But then the President of the U of Oklahoma announced that they were going to use the 6 years to find another conference to join when the grant of rights expired. (No wrong-doing on Oklahoma’s part here if he was speaking sincerely and that is what Oklahoma feels is the right thing for them to do.) That was the straw that broke Mizzou’s back, so to speak, and the point at which Deaton concluded he had failed to achieve his goal. Mizzou then went to their back-up plan.
One thing I find very strange here is that even though Oklahoma finds it completely unacceptable to remain in the same conference as Texas as long as the Lone Star Network remains an issue, both Oklahoma and Texas have made it very clear that they will continue their annual game in Dallas if they end up in different conferences.

Bob

Sorry, I meant that to be a one year suspension of play (a mini death penalty). I was so excited at the prospect of this 2 game series that I was careless in my typing. Just think, the starting quarterbacks in this game are in the second to the fifth grade.