151 Responses to The occasional open thread: I can’t believe it’s not the open thread

So, Obama made some great zingers at the expense of all of birtherdom, and of course, the birthers are rocking back and forth, foaming at the mouth about it. I’ve noticed that some of them are beginning to realize that nothing they can do will ever be enough. That isn’t to say that they’re admitting to being wrong. They’ve just been hit with the reality that they have NO friends outside of the birther movement, which is nowhere near as big as they thought it was.

I was wondering if anyone had heard anything else about this nutty story:

“A whistle-blower from Higher Education Services Corporation in Albany New York came forward and advised Attorney Orly Taitz that she personally reviewed Barack Obama’s financial aid information, which stated that financial aid was given to Obama as foreign student and as a citizen of Indonesia.”

That was already clearly somebody punking Orly at the time, and now that nearly a year has passed, that fact is even more obvious. Still, it would be interesting to know whether Orly just let the fact that she fell for that hoax pass or was there any further discussion of it?

We actually in the next six months could see Obama removed and President George W. Bush handle the reins as the last qualified person to hold the Office of the President, while we have a Presidential Election this coming November all because Obama is not qualified for the Office, and neither are his decisions or his picks for the entire Executive Branch.

He also mentions his SCOTUS appeal several times, but he fails to mention that it was denied – twice.

We actually in the next six months could see Obama removed and President George W. Bush handle the reins as the last qualified person to hold the Office of the President, while we have a Presidential Election this coming November all because Obama is not qualified for the Office, and neither are his decisions or his picks for the entire Executive Branch.

He also mentions his SCOTUS appeal several times, but he fails to mention that it was denied – twice.

Is Criminally Retarded a thing? ‘Cause I think CRJ qualifies, if it is.

We actually in the next six months could see Obama removed and President George W. Bush handle the reins as the last qualified person to hold the Office of the President, while we have a Presidential Election this coming November all because Obama is not qualified for the Office, and neither are his decisions or his picks for the entire Executive Branch.

He also mentions his SCOTUS appeal several times, but he fails to mention that it was denied – twice.

As one who followed the George W. Bush conspiracy theories back in the day, I find this hugely ironic. Not that it would ever happen (it wouldn’t), but that at least 85% of the “Obama is going to make himself a dictator” stuff is just recycled George W. Bush conspiracy craziness. Like the plastic coffin stuff.

Which means that you now have a Birther suggesting something that a George W. Bush conspiracy theorist would go nuts over. Are the Birthers really George W. Bush’s secret supporters? Well, no, they’re just the latest bunch of crazies who cannot accept that the political process has not favoured them.

Operation American Spring is a subject that pops up occasionally at BR, and I just got around to finding their website and skimming through the mounds of BS collected there. And here’s something that surprised me: although their “Articles of Impeachment” appears to be a completely indiscriminate agglomeration of every piece of wingnut lunacy ever, there is one thing that didn’t make the cut: birtherism.

Dave:
Operation American Spring is a subject that pops up occasionally at BR, and I just got around to finding their website and skimming through the mounds of BS collected there. And here’s something that surprised me: although their “Articles of Impeachment” appears to be a completely indiscriminate agglomeration of every piece of wingnut lunacy ever, there is one thing that didn’t make the cut: birtherism.

That’s gotta sting.

The birthers give OAS a pass on that – All they care about is that OAS wants the President out of office and that’s good enough for them. Two sour peas in a pod.

Rickey (quoting Cody Robert Judy): while we have a Presidential Election this coming November

He seems to think the entire Presidential line of succession thingy is just as optional as the rest of the Constitution when it comes to living out his revenge fantasies.
(Ironically, if there ever were an institution tasked with “vetting” Presidential candidates, Judy would be the first to not make the cut, given he’s stated often enough that he will ignore the Constitution whenever it suits him.)

The Magic M (not logged in)
(Ironically, if there ever were an institution tasked with “vetting” Presidential candidates, Judy would be the first to not make the cut, given he’s stated often enough that he will ignore the Constitution whenever it suits him.)

Yeah, he seems to forget that no one in their right mind, is going to vote for a guy who went to prison for a false bomb scare.

I finally got around to checking BR . Today’s crop of articles involves the tired old “Person of zero importance says Obama is illegitimate!” headlines, of which the comment sections are filled with the same old “Any day now”/”Obama is in big trouble! He just doesn’t know it yet!” comments.
…yawn.

“Obama is taunting us. Every word that comes from his foul piehole is a slap in our faces. He knows he’s ineligible. And here we are 6 years into his usurpation and he’s throwing it up in our faces. What does it say about us when we throw rallies FOR AMERICA and can’t even get a hundred people to show up? Foggy and fagblowers will have more than that at their annual convention next week. Their mere presence is a loogie in our faces. Orly Taitz does what she can to undermine our efforts with incompetence. And we’re two months past Zullo’s universe shattering date.

I don’t see that anything has changed.”

Oh, I do so love it when the long timers lose heart.

http://www.birtherreport.com/2014/05/video-pastor-eric-philpot-says-that.html
And again, in another article’s comment section.“What gets me is why Zullo keeps tantalizing us with information that never seems to gel. We’re always on the cusp of toppling the Kenyan but we never seem to make that final push. Berg, Taitz, Trump and others have all been up to bat and whiffed because the media makes fun of them. THEY ARE MAKING FUN OF US!!!!

When are we going to stop being laughingstocks and start making some headway? I’M MAD!!!!”

ROFL, that’s exactly the what this is going to amount to, a bunch of angry birthers who realized that they were just strung along like the idiots that they are. It surely doesn’t take a Mensa member to see that!

“Obama is taunting us. Every word that comes from his foul piehole is a slap in our faces. He knows he’s ineligible. And here we are 6 years into his usurpation and he’s throwing it up in our faces. What does it say about us when we throw rallies FOR AMERICA and can’t even get a hundred people to show up? Foggy and fagblowers will have more than that at their annual convention next week. Their mere presence is a loogie in our faces. Orly Taitz does what she can to undermine our efforts with incompetence. And we’re two months past Zullo’s universe shattering date.

I don’t see that anything has changed.”

Oh, I do so love it when the long timers lose heart.

And did you see our john’s reply to Sam?

My patience and faithfulness in the CCP is wearing down more with each passing day.

Crazy breaks upon the rocky, hard-edged shore of reality. Al Gerhart, Okieland TP bigshot, got himself in criminal hazard by threatening to make a “laughingstock” of a state lawmaker if they failed to push a bill designed to oppose …. Agenda 21.

Andrew Vrba, PmG:
I wonder if it ever registers to people in the Tea Party that maybe, just maybe, they DON’T speak for the majority of Americans. You’d think such a trouncing at the polls would drive that point home.

On the contrary, the Tea Party represents a majority of the Americans the Tea Party would allow to vote. Having chatted with a fair number of friends and family who consider themselves members of the Tea Party, they are, down deep, a fairly undemocratic lot.

Rickey: Here is my favorite part:We actually in the next six months could see Obama removed and President George W. Bush handle the reins as the last qualified person to hold the Office of the President, while we have a Presidential Election this coming November all because Obama is not qualified for the Office, and neither are his decisions or his picks for the entire Executive Branch.He also mentions his SCOTUS appeal several times, but he fails to mention that it was denied – twice.

I love how the very next sentance is, “That would all be quite constitutional; I mean the means are provided to/for us for just such a case as we are in, within the principles and directions of the U.S. Constitution. ” I get the distinct impression that Cody Robert Judy has never actually read the Constitution.

JoZeppy: I get the distinct impression that Cody Robert Judy has never actually read the Constitution.

In all fairness to Cody Robert Judy, he is clearly mentally ill. Were it not for changes to mental health laws in the ’70s and ’80s, and the de-funding of state mental health programs, he would have been institutionalized a long time ago. Now, as this video attests, he’s just a “Ruined Man.”

Like Stephen Colbert before her, Peta Lindsay didn’t want to become president of the United States. She just wanted to run.

As for Orly, this is the key part of the ruling:

The Secretary does not violate the Equal Protection Clause by excluding from the ballot candidates who are indisputably ineligible to serve, while listing those with a colorable claim of eligibility. Because those two groups stand on a different footing, the Secretary is entitled to exclude the former while including the latter. See Robinson v. Bowen, 567 F. Supp. 2d 1144, 1146–47 (N.D. Cal. 2008); Keyes v. Bowen, 117 Cal. Reptr. 3d 207, 214–16 (Cal. Ct. App. 2010).

9th circuit: 27-Year-Old Presidential Candidate Can Be Kept Off the Ballot

Peta Lindsay was the Peace and Freedom Party’s chosen candidate for President of the United States in 2012. One small problem: she was 27 years old. California, predictably, refused to put her name on the ballot due to her obvious ineligibility.

She sued, claiming First Amendment and Equal Protection violations, as well as a violation of the Twentieth Amendment. (Yeah, we had to look it up too.) In any case, this went exactly as you would expect.

You’re Too Young, Kid

“At twenty-seven years of age, Lindsay wasn’t constitutionally eligible to be president. See U.S. Const. art. II, § 1, cl. 5. But was she eligible to run?”

The panel opinion, authored by Chief Judge Kozinski, noted that there were alternative forums for her speech, and the state’s interest in “the integrity of its political processes from frivolous or fraudulent candidacies” justified keeping ineligible candidates off of the ballot.

There was an interesting mention of John McCain’s eligibility for the 2008 election, but surprisingly, no “birther’ arguments were made or discussed.

Twentieth Amendment

This was the odd, and actually semi-credible portion of the lawsuit. The Twentieth Amendment states, in part:

“[I]f the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified.”

Lindsay argued that since Congress has already addressed the issue of ineligible candidates, this prevents states from making their own determinations.

Kozinski didn’t buy it, of course, noting first that it is “far from clear that the Twentieth Amendment gives right to a private action,” but if it does, “nothing … states or implies that Congress has the exclusive authority to pass on the eligibility of candidates for President.” The amendment is merely a contingency plan for instances were both the President and Vice President are ineligible to hold office.

“Nothing in its text or history suggests that it precludes state authorities from excluding a candidate with a known ineligibility from the presidential ballot,” Kozinski concluded.

Read [below] the audio transcript excerpt of the Interview. Also, hear for yourself – listening to Attorney Montgomery Sibley, at approximately the 40 minute mark into the video:

“…….additionally there’s some forensic accounting investigation of Loretta Fuddy’s personal finances which resulted in a disclosure that she received a substantial – I believe she received a $50,000.00 dollars in cash shortly after she verified the Obama’s birth certificate as being legitimate. And, [I] may your listeners remember that it was late last year that Loretta Fuddy died in a very peculiar plane accident off the coast of Hawaii, shortly after Doug filed that sealed affidavit [ah] in the federal District Court in Washington………” – http://www.erikrush.com/playlists/may-2014/

John Reilly: On the contrary, the Tea Party represents a majority of the Americans the Tea Party would allow to vote.Having chatted with a fair number of friends and family who consider themselves members of the Tea Party, they are, down deep, a fairly undemocratic lot.

Votor turnout in Tuesday’s NC primary was something like 14%. Brookline MA, the next town over from me was 11%. If any party could double that, they’d rule for generations.

Bob J: Is it possible that the BR riffraff are really North Korean agents?

This was my standard line when debating “no dual citizens allowed” Vattelists on WND (after all, by their logic, any country could easily make all Americans ineligible to the Presidency by declaring them its citizens, thereby chopping the head off the US system, something that only North Koreans would want).

Only if you define “drag queen” as someone who spends most of his time in drag (Olivia Jones, Lilo Wanders). Tim Neuwirth (the guy behind the Conchita Wurst personality) indeed doesn’t walk around in drag all day.

Looks like this wiould be a good time for an explanation from one of the lawyers.

In a previous episode, one of them told us that court filings and testimony are immune from libel/slander actions (Do I remember that correctly?). It’s been speculated that Vogt went with his not-a-lawsuit-dammit approach precisely so he could avoid getting sued into bankruptcy over his wild allegations.

But what about people who repeat those allegations? Especially if they don’t qualify their accusations with “Some nutbar claimed in his daffydavit that…”, and go with the typical birfer “It’s been proven in court that…” claim? Do they still have the legal obligation to verify defamatory allegations before publishing them?

I’m just thinkin’ it’d be rather cool if Doc wound up co-owning (along with the other defamees) BR, The Post and Efail, the Western Center for the Debasement of Journalism, and other prominent birfer sites…

Of all the things in the world I could care LESS about owning, these are at the top of the list.

Unlike birthers, I don’t view a lawsuit as a way to win an argument on the Internet.

RanTalbott: I’m just thinkin’ it’d be rather cool if Doc wound up co-owning (along with the other defamees) BR, The Post and Efail, the Western Center for the Debasement of Journalism, and other prominent birfer sites

RanTalbott: Looks like this wiould be a good time for an explanation from one of the lawyers.

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Good question. (Warning: The following is most certainly not to be taken as legal advice; it is only some thoughts without doing any on-point research or other lawyer-like stuff).

Defamation is a serious tort, but because we particularly value the freedom/necessity to speak in certain arenas/circumstances without fear of liability for doing so, the law has carved out certain immunities and qualified immunities from suit.

One of these values is the freedom to file a complaint in a court of law and seek a court order/judgment. Thus, there are immunities that protect the complainant from being sued for making allegations in the complaint. Of course, the purported facts set forth in a complaint are considered only “allegations” to which the defendant in turn can “admit” or “deny”, and the parties battle it out (litigate) from there. Notably, intentionally/knowingly making a false criminal complaint is sometimes actionable as a tort of malicious prosecution. (I don’t think Doc would be able to sue for that, since Vogt can’t seem to get any criminal prosecution going to damage Doc… ).

Complaints filed in court are matters of public record, and the public is free to discuss them and share their opinions about who is right or wrong, etc.

So, I think the tricky part is how well Vogt controls his mouth/pen/keyboard outside of court. I don’t imagine that filing a suit is a get-out-of-liability-free card for everything said outside of court. If I were Vogt, I’d try to be careful to use the word “alleged” with each defamatory lie he tells outside of court. For example, saying “I’ve alleged he is a forger” (which is true–if he has alleged that) is very different than saying “he is a forger” (which is a defamatory lie).

The European: Keith, I did not know the difference. After having looked it up, I am not sure that Conchita / Thomas is a Drag Queen. With a beard ? I guess it is more like a stage-personality.

The Magic M: Only if you define “drag queen” as someone who spends most of his time in drag (Olivia Jones, Lilo Wanders). Tim Neuwirth (the guy behind the Conchita Wurst personality) indeed doesn’t walk around in drag all day.

I admit I didn’t look it up and am not going to bother, I guess. I am not part of the community and they have the right to define their terms as they see fit.

That said, I think of a drag queen as a persona put on for a performance, and especially to attract attention. The persona involves elaborate, even cartoonish, fantasy female clothing and makeup. That performance might be played out on a stage or just walking around their favorite nightclub or whatever. Essentially is a public performance, however. Drag queens are gay, but usually don’t go around in their non-performing lives in drag as far as I know.

Actors that put on drag for a specific performance are not necessarily drag queens. Tony Curtis in “Some Like It Hot” wore drag but is not a queen. Barrie Humphries wears drag for Dame Edna Everage, but is not a queen and has other characters he wears just as elaborate outfits for. Humphries is not a queen either, even though he is almost solely known (outside Australia) for his drag character and superstar Dame Edna. Guy Pearce, Hugo Weaving and Terrence Stamp wore drag for much of “The Adventures of Priscilla, Queen of the Desert. Those were specific roles and none of them are, as far as I know, gay. They portrayed drag queens for their performance, but are not themselves drag queens.

A cross-dresser, on the other hand, occasionally puts on women’s clothing in private. Perhaps just a bra and panties, or a skirt. They just enjoy the idea for whatever psychological reason. They aren’t trying to attract attention or put on a performance like the drag queen. The cross-dresser is not necessarily gay and does not necessarily wear makeup.

I don’t believe that Mr. Neuwirth wears drag all day every day, but does so for his performances. Since he is gay, I consider him a drag queen.

Dr. Conspiracy:
Of all the things in the world I could care LESS about owning, these are at the top of the list.

Unlike birthers, I don’t view a lawsuit as a way to win an argument on the Internet.

On the other hand, a former Prime Minister of Australia used to taunt the opposition to “Please repeat that accusation out on the steps of Parliament. I have been wanting a to buy a boat for quite some time.”

This decision from the highest European Court is for me a thousand times more important than the Vogtlander:

“BRUSSELS — The highest court in the European Union decided on Tuesday that Google must, in some cases, grant users of its search engine a so-called right to be forgotten that includes deletion of links to embarrassing legal records.”

I know that in a country where you can look up the speeding tickets of your neighbor on the internet “privacy” is not considered to be of importance. I´m happy that over here there is a different angle of view.

The fundamental difference in the US is that personal data has been commoditised as a product to buy, sell and barter.

Since there are now entrenched organisations with deep pockets to buy or block “business friendly” legislation in this arena, don’t expect to see this change for the forseeable in the US.

I see this legislation and particularly the pressure to legislate (in the EU) a formal “right” to be forgotten as having a much broader effect.

Right now, there is ongoing cost pressure within industry as a whole to reduce spend and in particular the bread and butter of IT spend in areas like storage, email etc.

Outsourced pay per user services for storage, application software, email etc are provided by the likes of MS and Google with their cloud based offerings. Very cost effective so oots of firms are doing it.

The problem is that as both of these firms are US owned, if they get hit with a PATRIOT Act data sub-poena, in the US, for data on servers residing in the EU, even though it is illegal for them to scrape and send EU citizen data out of the EU without jumping through a variety of legal hoops they have to comply.

So, they break the law 3 ways, fitrst by accessing the data without a valid EU country sub-poena, second by bundling the data and third by sending it out of the EU to a non safe data haven.

Google, in particular due to its extremely wide gather of personal data and meta data, has a problem.

If the “right to be forgotten” is truly enacted it would mean that as an example, Google and all associated Google data services would be obliged and required under EU law to remove not just links to searches but all associated Google data such as Gmail, meta data, backups etc for that individual………GLOBALLY

The US Government which has embarked on its truly Orwellian data gather crusade has legislation effectively preventing such activity which it requires to be followed by ALL US companies or companies with a US presence…GLOBALLY

bovril,
most people here will find it hard to believe that my car-insurance has no access to the (only) data base that keeps informations about my violations of the traffic-code.

Only law enforcement can access this db. It is a crime to reveal informations to non law inforcement.

If you looked up my personal informations – I was a quite well known lawyer until my retirement about 10 years ago – on the internet you would find some pieces of info from before this retirement and nothing, virtually nothing for the last 10 years. I call this privacy.

I disagree this was very recent within the last several days and Arpaio says:

“I’m looking at a forged fraudulent document in Hawaii by the government.” @19:20

“But I’m still trying to find out who is behind it.” @19:30

This last statement, IMO. is the investigation by the two sheriff deputies. They want to find out who RC and NBC are, among others. I think this is why they haven’t had the press conference yet. They can’t get their names from the ISP without a court order or subpoena. They are probably running into jurisdiction problems as well as a lack of probable cause of evidence of a crime having been committed.

In the interview, Arpaio mentions that he has to decide if he’ll run for governor in the next several weeks. The Arizona deadline for candidates to file is May 28th, 2014. So this interview is only days old.

“I’m going after a forged government fraudulent document, that’s all. And I’m still working it, getting a little closer because I got an idea whose behind it but that’s another big issue. I want enough proof so when I go public they don’t run me out of town. They tried that first press conference I had”

“I’m going after a forged government fraudulent document, that’s all.And I’m still working it, getting a little closer because I got an idea whose behind it but that’s another big issue.I want enough proof so when I go public they don’t run me out of town.They tried that first press conference I had”

The Clintons were the original birthers, funny innit how the left always re-writes history to fit their nonsense. Both Clintons came out and stated emphatically that then-Senator Obama could not be elected since he was NOT a naturalized citizen. That is an undeniable fact. The Liberal media was so enthralled with having a mulatto son of a Communist illegal who was deported and the son of a then-17 year-old girl who slept with black men being elected that they completely ignored the fat-ass in the pants suit, and demanded that she drop out of the race in June, 2008. She would have none of it because the Clintons have always sucked at the teat of the taxpayer and Mrs. Fat-Ass then made the infamous statement that, ” Anything can happen in a campaign” and she was of course referring to the then-front runner RFK who met his fate at the hands of Sirhan B Sirhan. Libtards of course have chosen to ignore that factual quote, and they also proceeded to ignore the secret meeting wherein Barry Soetoro aka Barry Obama aka Barry Soebarkah offered Mrs. Fat-ass the Secretary of State position in exchange for dropping out of the race.

The European: I know that in a country where you can look up the speeding tickets of your neighbor on the internet “privacy” is not considered to be of importance.

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And what an incredible embarrassment (and problem) that is. Our late great Justice Brandeis called the right to privacy the “right to be let alone” and “the most comprehensive of rights, and the right most valued by civilized men.”

That Arpaio interview seems pretty remarkable to me. Last public comment from Arpaio on this subject that I’m aware of was something like a year and a half ago.

I note that the interviewer asked if he was talking about the President’s BC, and Arpaio said something vague — he certainly didn’t say “yes.” Maybe he thinks he’s leaving himself an out, but he clearly said that the government of Hawaii forged a document, and any way you look at it, that’s pretty loony. Man can forget about running for Governor, this interview is oppo research gold.

Chippy55:
“…so enthralled with having a mulatto son of a Communist illegal who was deported and the son of a then-17 year-old girl who slept with black men being elected that they completely ignored the fat-ass in the pants suit..”

And yet somehow he had a stellar career at Harvard, won elections, has a lovely family, is still married to his first wife, is loved by millions more and will take his rightful place in history as our revered 44th President… whereas you are a useless, ill-informed, bitter, racist, sexist, ugly-minded spreader of lies who in the end will have contributed less than nothing to this great Nation.

Chippy55:
The Clintons were the original birthers, funny innit how the left always re-writes history to fit their nonsense. Both Clintons came out and stated emphatically that then-Senator Obama could not be elected since he was NOT a naturalized citizen. That is an undeniable fact. The Liberal media was so enthralled with having a mulatto son of a Communist illegal who was deported and the son of a then-17 year-old girl who slept with black men being elected that they completely ignored the fat-ass in the pants suit, and demanded that she drop out of the race in June, 2008. She would have none of it because the Clintons have always sucked at the teat of the taxpayer and Mrs. Fat-Ass then made the infamous statement that, ” Anything can happen in a campaign” and she was of course referring to the then-front runner RFK who met his fate at the hands of Sirhan B Sirhan. Libtards of course have chosen to ignore that factual quote, and they also proceeded to ignore the secret meeting wherein Barry Soetoro aka Barry Obama aka Barry Soebarkah offered Mrs. Fat-ass the Secretary of State position in exchange for dropping out of the race.

It isn’t often that we get to see so much stupidity and ignorance rolled into one post. Congratulations! Your parents and teachers must be proud of you.

Since most of your post has already been thoroughly debunked by others, I’ll focus on your claim about Clinton dropping out of the Democratic race in 2008. She didn’t drop out because of any promise of a cabinet position. She dropped because at the end of the voting on June 3 it was clear that Obama had won more than enough delegates to be the nominee.

On June 3, the day of the final primaries in South Dakota and Montana, Obama rolled out about sixty super delegate endorsements. Those endorsements, together with the pledged delegates awarded in the final primaries, put him well over the “magic number” of 2,117 delegate votes necessary for a majority at the Democratic National Convention. By early in the evening, all major news organizations had announced that Obama had clinched the Democratic nomination, and Obama claimed the status of presumptive nominee in a speech in St. Paul, Minnesota.

Two days later Clinton announced to her supporters that she was going to concede and that she would endorse Obama.

RanTalbott: Yup, that’s it: they didn’t complain, so they must have taken his advice and gotten the result he wanted.

That’s almost on par with the German cranks who proclaim themselves “Chancellor of the Reich”, send said proclamation to the US embassy and claim that if the US don’t complain within 21 days, they have legally accepted said proclamation as valid. *smh*

Yup, I can see how “race betrayal” enrages you, you despicable bitter racist & mysogynist.

Chippy55: ignore the secret meeting wherein […] Obama […] offered Mrs. Fat-ass the Secretary of State position in exchange for dropping out of the race

The secret meeting you just happened to walk in on so you know it took place and what was said?

It’s always funny when you make up stories like children and then treat them as gospel. Did I tell you about the day I had schnitzel with the Pope and beat Queen Liz in arm wrestling, then had a threesome with Jen Aniston and Shakira? It was one of the less interesting days of my life.

The Magic M (not logged in): Did I tell you about the day I had schnitzel with the Pope and beat Queen Liz in arm wrestling, then had a threesome with Jen Aniston and Shakira? It was one of the less interesting days of my life.

Wow. They are really panicking over at BR today. They can’t even tell friend from foe anymore. They’re even beating up on John. I checked Orly’s disaster of a blog, and boy howdy! Doc really has the old bat spooked! She’s talking about him an awful lot.

Andrew Vrba, PmG:
Wow. They are really panicking over at BR today. They can’t even tell friend from foe anymore. They’re even beating up on John. I checked Orly’s disaster of a blog, and boy howdy! Doc really has the old bat spooked! She’s talking about him an awful lot.

Poor John. He is a true believer and now they are calling him an Obot.

Dave:
That Arpaio interview seems pretty remarkable to me. Last public comment from Arpaio on this subject that I’m aware of was something like a year and a half ago.

I note that the interviewer asked if he was talking about the President’s BC, and Arpaio said something vague — he certainly didn’t say “yes.” Maybe he thinks he’s leaving himself an out, but he clearly said that the government of Hawaii forged a document, and any way you look at it, that’s pretty loony. Man can forget about running for Governor, this interview is oppo research gold.

In addition if he runs for Gov, his CCP clown show would come into heavy scrutiny and I suspect that they would be forced to release something of this great investigation. Actually what is funny that would be led by Republicans running against him! As they say, please proceed Sheriff!

“…ONE CANNOT “forget” about 0… he has set many anti Constitutional precedents… should the R’s be lucky enough to win the Senate and maintain control of the House, then Articles of Impeachment have to be filed…

…KENYA was once known as Indonesia, when it was a British colony… during the same time that 0 was born… his b/c would have listed his father’s nationality as British, and Indonesia as his home state ~ but for some unknown reason, his home state is listed as Kenya (as mentioned, there was NO state by that name when 0 was born)… on that same b/c, his and his father’s race would have been listed as negro, not Black… on that same b/c, the name of the hospital listed where he was supposedly born, was NOT the name of the hospital at that time… there are other discrepancies, but there’s no point in listing them… WHERE 0 WAS BORN is not a conspiracy, it’s a legitimate question… after all, even his late grandmother is on record as saying he was born in Indonesia (now Kenya), and his literary biography claims he’s a British foreign student… his SS# is from a state he never visited, and was originally issued to someone else… A LOT of questions about this man, but thus far, no answers that pass the smell test…”

“Consider the question of the Obama “birth certificate.” On any view, this is an interesting story. An experienced, credible and much-decorated sheriff has published detailed and compelling evidence raising grave questions about the authenticity of several documents related to the identity of the occupant of the White House, and one of these documents remains on the White House website to this day.”

“Yet most news media have never subjected the “birth certificate” to scrutiny. Indeed, remarkably few have even been willing to admit that there is an investigation at all, still less to provide any reasonably detailed or factual account of its progress.”

“Why, for instance, has Fox News not dared to tackle the birth-certificate question in any depth.”

ok, i was just looking at larry klayman´s wikipedia page, and saw this……

“Klayman is representing families of members of Navy SEAL Team 6, the elite special forces who killed Osama bin Laden, who died after their helicopter was shot down by the Taliban three months later. Klayman contends the Obama administration put the Navy SEALs at risk by disclosing their identity.[40]”

the SEAL team who took out bin laden was red team, and it was members of gold team who were killed in the chinook shootdown as noted in wikipedia´s own page on the SEALS

anyone who is able to edit on wikipedia should be aware of this, and personally i believe this should be corrected.

Actually, the RWNJ meme is that SEAL Team 6 was completely wiped out in the attack in Afghanistan. They’re generally dumbfounded when it’s pointed out to them that it has over 200 members and we don’t know which, if any, of the men who did the bin Laden raid were on that copter (I had no idea, until roadburner brought it up, that there had been any revelation about the overlap, or lack thereof).

In fairness to Klayman’s clients, there is a credible argument that the bin Laden raid made SEALs, in general, higher-value targets for the Taliban. But, based on what’s been said about the amount of damage our special ops people have done to them, it’s also credible that they were already at the top of the list, so the raid made no meaningful difference at all. For those of us not inside the intel system, it’s a problem of 2 equations in about 20 unknowns.

Is it perfectly normal and natural for a Chinese woman in Shanghai (with Chinese ancestors dating back two thousand years) to marry and produce children with an African from Kenya, such as Obama’s brother who lives there?

Such duality of background is the opposite of normal, just as is dual-citizenship in dissimilar countries with different language, culture, history, law, and racial or ethnic background.

Crustacean: I certainly don’t approve of that dog’s behavior, but at least it volunteered to be quarantined,( ) something that no birther has had the decency to do.

I am not in favor of capital punishment, but that dog has no reason for continued existence. That video demonstrates that the dog has such a severe mental deficiency its interaction with society should be terminated with extreme prejudice.

Keith: I am not in favor of capital punishment, but that dog has no reason for continued existence. That video demonstrates that the dog has such a severe mental deficiency its interaction with society should be terminated with extreme prejudice.

“Ninety fraudulent signatures to even get on 08 ballot that democrats such as Hillary covered up quickly. It was in the news one day and online for four before disappearing. He is not now nor has he ever been legal president. I started researching him in 07 when he appeared wanting to put us in great debt as soon as he got a hold on our money, plans to destroy the free market, and have government control banks, auto industry and our children in the schools. I learned things that are no longer accessible. I was shocked he actually got into office but with the voter fraud and soros owning the company which tallies our votes he did but it was all fraud. His campaign was all hype for most people did not fall for his line. Many forget the rural down the earth people who have common sense and discernment to see through a blow hard such as obama. He is an Indonesian muslim, who attended all boys muslim school as barry, applied for college as foreign student, his brother and sister have said he was born in Mombasa in fact he himself has said in earlier days he was born there and he is of the muslim faith. When a man says the sweetest sound in the world to them is the muslim call to prayer that tells you where his heart is and who he considers his people. Egypt has filed charges in international court against him for crimes against humanity for his participation in the planning and financing with our money of gassing innocent people many were children. The world has told us he is muslim like the rest of his family. IRS was supporting his brother in the muslim brotherhood. Why else would he fill high ranking offices in our government with them through his appointing? Communist China on our soil for the first time in our history. I could go on and on. We have been betrayed and sold out by the democrats. He was placed in office by our enemies.May 16 DC for God and Country. There are jihadist camps on our soil and areas fighting sharia law in America. 44 million illegal aliens mostly muslim, ties to terrorist, muslim brotherhood and violent criminal backgrounds. Cutting our military and filling it with muslim so our people do not know who they can trust. Playing the gays, atheists, race and abortion to bring down morals then they will be the first they murder if this is not stopped. Be wiser than the serpent.”

“I know full well what evidence is, but more importantly, I know the difference between forged evidence and verifiable legitimate evidence. The so called long form certificate of live birth that was presented by Obama containing the name of a hospital that didn’t exist until a merger of two hospitals in 1978, when he was born in 1961 hardly qualifies as legitimate. In addition, since these certificates are issued with sequential numbers based on the date and time of birth, one has to wonder why Obama’s certificate number is higher than the certificates of people born two days later. Does that sound like verifiable legitimate evidence to you? I suspect with enough Kool-Aid in your system, anything is possible.”

Well of course it’s not Kool-aid, but BLOOD I smell, so I ask about those birth certificates, and birfer obliges by posting Doc’s image of the Nordyke twins’ birth certificates. Birfers are certainly inconsistent on Doc’s images.
I then ask birfer what it says on line 6(c) of those birth certificates.
Birfer has a mad, and says to me,

“When the civil war breaks out, you will be on the wrong side of history, and if you’re anywhere in my vicinity, you’ll be at the wrong end of my weaponry as well.”

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