Gaza action 'must be proportionate'

Prime Minister David Cameron gave Benjamin Netanyahu his "strong support" for Israel's right to take "proportionate action" to defend itself.

Mr Cameron spoke to his Israeli counterpart as the death toll mounted on both sides in Gaza and Downing Street said the Prime Minister expressed condolences for the loss of Israeli troops which raising concerns about the civilian casualties.

The phone conversation came as 65 Palestinians and 13 Israeli soldiers were killed in the first major ground battle of the offensive.

A Downing Street spokesman said the two leaders agreed that the only way to end the "spiral of violence" was a lasting ceasefire observed by both sides.

He said: "T he Prime Minister noted the ongoing rocket attacks from Hamas and reiterated the UK's strong support for Israel's right to take proportionate action to defend itself from them.

"The Prime Minister expressed condolences for the deaths of Israeli troops and concern about mounting civilian casualties in Gaza.

"The Prime Minister agreed with Prime Minister Netanyahu that the way out of the spiral of violence was for both sides to observe a lasting ceasefire in line with the initiative that was put forward by Egypt."

Earlier, Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond said "we will be looking very carefully" to make sure that civilians are being protected as Israeli troops continued their offensive.

He said there needed to be a ceasefire and longer-term solution to the situation to prevent it flaring up every few years.

On BBC1's Andrew Marr Show he said: "I srael has a right to defend itself against these rocket attacks coming from Gaza, but it must do so in a way that is proportionate and it must take all measures necessary to prevent unnecessary loss of civilian life."

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Asked three times whether Israel's military operation had been a proportionate response, Mr Hammond said: " I have asked the Israelis to use every effort they can to minimise the loss of civilian life.

"Now we will be looking very carefully at what is happening on the ground to make sure that it is proportionate, that civilian lives are being protected in a proper way.

"But Israel does have the right to protect itself and the best way to avoid Palestinian loss of life in Gaza is for Hamas to stop firing rockets from Gaza and in those circumstances the world would not expect any kind of Israeli action against Gaza."

Mr Hammond said the international community was trying to "stop the bloodshed, reimpose a ceasefire and then find a longer-term solution".

He said: "We can't deal with Gaza by having a flare-up every two years - hundreds of people killed, another ceasefire which then breaks down 18 months, two years later. We have to get to the underlying causes.

"We have to re-establish the role of the Palestinian authority and the governance of Gaza and get some order out of this chaos."

On Sky News' Murnaghan programme he added: "It's always the women, the children and the elderly who suffer the most and our hearts go out to the Palestinian people trapped in Gaza who are suffering appalling losses.

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"But look, the fact is Israel has a right to protect itself against attack and Hamas has been using those areas of Gaza to launch rocket attacks systematically against Israel."

Last week Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg said I srael's bombardment of the Gaza Strip amounted to a "deliberately disproportionate form of collective punishment".

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Comments (20)

I'm sure the Tories can teach us all a lesson about 'proportionality' with regard to the way they carry out austerity measures in their own country. I guess, if the likes of Hammond and his conservative confederates happened to be in charge of Israel instead of the branch of socialism called Zionism the Palestinians who could get away would thank their lucky stars that there are some 'nice', 'acceptable' bourgeois like doctors and lawyers non-proletarians amongst them , eh?;)

I'm sure the Tories can teach us all a lesson about 'proportionality' with regard to the way they carry out austerity measures in their own country. I guess, if the likes of Hammond and his conservative confederates happened to be in charge of Israel instead of the branch of socialism called Zionism the Palestinians who could get away would thank their lucky stars that there are some 'nice', 'acceptable' bourgeois like doctors and lawyers non-proletarians amongst them , eh?;)Katie Re-Registered

I'm sure the Tories can teach us all a lesson about 'proportionality' with regard to the way they carry out austerity measures in their own country. I guess, if the likes of Hammond and his conservative confederates happened to be in charge of Israel instead of the branch of socialism called Zionism the Palestinians who could get away would thank their lucky stars that there are some 'nice', 'acceptable' bourgeois like doctors and lawyers non-proletarians amongst them , eh?;)

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The Boy says...5:04pm Sun 20 Jul 14

But is the latest bombardment of Gaza really about 'tackling Hamas'? Or is it 'incremental genocide', as described by Professor Ilan Pappe? Israel has the right to defend itself, but what about Palestinians' right to resist occupation? The tepid condemnation of Israel's crimes is a disgrace. If, say, Putin sanctioned such atrocities in built-up civilian areas, Cameron et al would be all too willing to condemn. Imagine if a suspected terrorist was thought to be in Crowngate shopping centre - would it be acceptable to blow the whole place up and then blame the suspect for all the resulting deaths? The point is that Palestinian life is seen as expendable - this is incremental genocide by a state committed to illegal expansion - and this is supported by our government.

But is the latest bombardment of Gaza really about 'tackling Hamas'? Or is it 'incremental genocide', as described by Professor Ilan Pappe? Israel has the right to defend itself, but what about Palestinians' right to resist occupation? The tepid condemnation of Israel's crimes is a disgrace. If, say, Putin sanctioned such atrocities in built-up civilian areas, Cameron et al would be all too willing to condemn. Imagine if a suspected terrorist was thought to be in Crowngate shopping centre - would it be acceptable to blow the whole place up and then blame the suspect for all the resulting deaths? The point is that Palestinian life is seen as expendable - this is incremental genocide by a state committed to illegal expansion - and this is supported by our government.The Boy

But is the latest bombardment of Gaza really about 'tackling Hamas'? Or is it 'incremental genocide', as described by Professor Ilan Pappe? Israel has the right to defend itself, but what about Palestinians' right to resist occupation? The tepid condemnation of Israel's crimes is a disgrace. If, say, Putin sanctioned such atrocities in built-up civilian areas, Cameron et al would be all too willing to condemn. Imagine if a suspected terrorist was thought to be in Crowngate shopping centre - would it be acceptable to blow the whole place up and then blame the suspect for all the resulting deaths? The point is that Palestinian life is seen as expendable - this is incremental genocide by a state committed to illegal expansion - and this is supported by our government.

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stevo!! says...5:48pm Sun 20 Jul 14

The Boy wrote…

But is the latest bombardment of Gaza really about 'tackling Hamas'? Or is it 'incremental genocide', as described by Professor Ilan Pappe? Israel has the right to defend itself, but what about Palestinians' right to resist occupation? The tepid condemnation of Israel's crimes is a disgrace. If, say, Putin sanctioned such atrocities in built-up civilian areas, Cameron et al would be all too willing to condemn. Imagine if a suspected terrorist was thought to be in Crowngate shopping centre - would it be acceptable to blow the whole place up and then blame the suspect for all the resulting deaths? The point is that Palestinian life is seen as expendable - this is incremental genocide by a state committed to illegal expansion - and this is supported by our government.

You're ignoring the fact that even Palestinians see Palestinian lives as being expendable. Why else would they build missile launchers in densely-populated areas? And yes, Hamas IS the target.

[quote][p][bold]The Boy[/bold] wrote:
But is the latest bombardment of Gaza really about 'tackling Hamas'? Or is it 'incremental genocide', as described by Professor Ilan Pappe? Israel has the right to defend itself, but what about Palestinians' right to resist occupation? The tepid condemnation of Israel's crimes is a disgrace. If, say, Putin sanctioned such atrocities in built-up civilian areas, Cameron et al would be all too willing to condemn. Imagine if a suspected terrorist was thought to be in Crowngate shopping centre - would it be acceptable to blow the whole place up and then blame the suspect for all the resulting deaths? The point is that Palestinian life is seen as expendable - this is incremental genocide by a state committed to illegal expansion - and this is supported by our government.[/p][/quote]You're ignoring the fact that even Palestinians see Palestinian lives as being expendable.
Why else would they build missile launchers in densely-populated areas?
And yes, Hamas IS the target.stevo!!

The Boy wrote…

But is the latest bombardment of Gaza really about 'tackling Hamas'? Or is it 'incremental genocide', as described by Professor Ilan Pappe? Israel has the right to defend itself, but what about Palestinians' right to resist occupation? The tepid condemnation of Israel's crimes is a disgrace. If, say, Putin sanctioned such atrocities in built-up civilian areas, Cameron et al would be all too willing to condemn. Imagine if a suspected terrorist was thought to be in Crowngate shopping centre - would it be acceptable to blow the whole place up and then blame the suspect for all the resulting deaths? The point is that Palestinian life is seen as expendable - this is incremental genocide by a state committed to illegal expansion - and this is supported by our government.

You're ignoring the fact that even Palestinians see Palestinian lives as being expendable. Why else would they build missile launchers in densely-populated areas? And yes, Hamas IS the target.

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Shropshirelad says...6:24pm Sun 20 Jul 14

I heard this programme and exchange between this disgusting creature, Hammond and Andrew Marr. He was asked specifically three times whether the Israeli onslaught was "proportionate", on each occasion he refused to answer. His silence suggested that he considers the deaths of over 400 Palestinians and the death of 2 (at that time) Israeli soldiers was indeed "proportionate". He is obviously one of the 80% Westminster Tories who have been bought by the Israelis with an all expenses paid trip to that benighted country and free membership of the Conservative Friends of Israel Association. What must the Palestinians do to get justice and fairness, they have tried every single other thing in the book and how low must Israel sink in the annals of war crimes, crimes against humanity and just downright barbarism, mass murder and totally uncivilised behaviour. Hammond also shows us what a blatantly unprincipled, conniving, treacherous politician he really is. Hopefully, if there are a number of pro Palestinians in his constituency, they could get together and use his response to Marr in order to campaign against him in the forthcoming election. But then, almost every Tory in Westminster is in hock to the Israeli lobby. At the last count, 13 Israeli soldiers had been killed, I won't cheer but I will say that when the IDF dead equals the number of Palestinian civilians killed then perhaps the Israelis will realise that there is a price to pay for their cruel and brutal behaviour. In the meantime judge a Tory MP as you would an Israeli IDF member, they are both untouchable.

I heard this programme and exchange between this disgusting creature, Hammond and Andrew Marr. He was asked specifically three times whether the Israeli onslaught was "proportionate", on each occasion he refused to answer. His silence suggested that he considers the deaths of over 400 Palestinians and the death of 2 (at that time) Israeli soldiers was indeed "proportionate". He is obviously one of the 80% Westminster Tories who have been bought by the Israelis with an all expenses paid trip to that benighted country and free membership of the Conservative Friends of Israel Association. What must the Palestinians do to get justice and fairness, they have tried every single other thing in the book and how low must Israel sink in the annals of war crimes, crimes against humanity and just downright barbarism, mass murder and totally uncivilised behaviour. Hammond also shows us what a blatantly unprincipled, conniving, treacherous politician he really is. Hopefully, if there are a number of pro Palestinians in his constituency, they could get together and use his response to Marr in order to campaign against him in the forthcoming election. But then, almost every Tory in Westminster is in hock to the Israeli lobby. At the last count, 13 Israeli soldiers had been killed, I won't cheer but I will say that when the IDF dead equals the number of Palestinian civilians killed then perhaps the Israelis will realise that there is a price to pay for their cruel and brutal behaviour. In the meantime judge a Tory MP as you would an Israeli IDF member, they are both untouchable.Shropshirelad

I heard this programme and exchange between this disgusting creature, Hammond and Andrew Marr. He was asked specifically three times whether the Israeli onslaught was "proportionate", on each occasion he refused to answer. His silence suggested that he considers the deaths of over 400 Palestinians and the death of 2 (at that time) Israeli soldiers was indeed "proportionate". He is obviously one of the 80% Westminster Tories who have been bought by the Israelis with an all expenses paid trip to that benighted country and free membership of the Conservative Friends of Israel Association. What must the Palestinians do to get justice and fairness, they have tried every single other thing in the book and how low must Israel sink in the annals of war crimes, crimes against humanity and just downright barbarism, mass murder and totally uncivilised behaviour. Hammond also shows us what a blatantly unprincipled, conniving, treacherous politician he really is. Hopefully, if there are a number of pro Palestinians in his constituency, they could get together and use his response to Marr in order to campaign against him in the forthcoming election. But then, almost every Tory in Westminster is in hock to the Israeli lobby. At the last count, 13 Israeli soldiers had been killed, I won't cheer but I will say that when the IDF dead equals the number of Palestinian civilians killed then perhaps the Israelis will realise that there is a price to pay for their cruel and brutal behaviour. In the meantime judge a Tory MP as you would an Israeli IDF member, they are both untouchable.

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stevo!! says...6:30pm Sun 20 Jul 14

". What must the Palestinians do to get justice and fairness, they have tried every single other thing in the book " State THREE positive contributions to peace that the Palestinians have done. Do not include any that they were forced into doing.

". What must the Palestinians do to get justice and fairness, they have tried every single other thing in the book "
State THREE positive contributions to peace that the Palestinians have done.
Do not include any that they were forced into doing.stevo!!

". What must the Palestinians do to get justice and fairness, they have tried every single other thing in the book " State THREE positive contributions to peace that the Palestinians have done. Do not include any that they were forced into doing.

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Dr Martin says...7:46pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Since 1947 they have bullied and pushed around since then , but I suppose it's easy when you have one of the largest and and most modern armies in the middle east sponsored by Uncle Sam

Since 1947 they have bullied and pushed around since then , but I suppose it's easy when you have one of the largest and and most modern armies in the middle east sponsored by Uncle SamDr Martin

Since 1947 they have bullied and pushed around since then , but I suppose it's easy when you have one of the largest and and most modern armies in the middle east sponsored by Uncle Sam

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stevo!! says...8:11pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Dr Martin wrote…

Since 1947 they have bullied and pushed around since then , but I suppose it's easy when you have one of the largest and and most modern armies in the middle east sponsored by Uncle Sam

And when are you going to make a similar comment about the Arab nations who have been armed by Russia? Israel hasn't bullied anyone. It has resisted aggression.

[quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote:
Since 1947 they have bullied and pushed around since then , but I suppose it's easy when you have one of the largest and and most modern armies in the middle east sponsored by Uncle Sam[/p][/quote]And when are you going to make a similar comment about the Arab nations who have been armed by Russia?
Israel hasn't bullied anyone. It has resisted aggression.stevo!!

Dr Martin wrote…

Since 1947 they have bullied and pushed around since then , but I suppose it's easy when you have one of the largest and and most modern armies in the middle east sponsored by Uncle Sam

And when are you going to make a similar comment about the Arab nations who have been armed by Russia? Israel hasn't bullied anyone. It has resisted aggression.

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The Boy says...8:21pm Sun 20 Jul 14

In response to the assertion that Israel is targeting Hamas – Israel's Northern Command General Gadi Eisenkot said: "What happened in the Dahiya quarter in Beirut in 2006 will happen in every village from which Israel is fired upon. We will apply disproportionate force upon it and cause great damage and destruction there…From our standpoint, these are not civilian villages, they are military bases…This is not a recommendation. This is a plan. And it has been approved”. Israeli military doctrine as currently applied in Gaza involves the deliberate perpetration of crimes against humanity. This is why medical centres, ambulances, apartment buildings, mosques, etc. are being bombed. Note that *disproportionate* force is the plan – therefore, Hammond’s call for Israel to act in a proportionate way is a waste of time. Of course it’s a waste of time, because the government he is a part of supports Israel’s actions.

In response to the assertion that Israel is targeting Hamas – Israel's Northern Command General Gadi Eisenkot said: "What happened in the Dahiya quarter in Beirut in 2006 will happen in every village from which Israel is fired upon. We will apply disproportionate force upon it and cause great damage and destruction there…From our standpoint, these are not civilian villages, they are military bases…This is not a recommendation. This is a plan. And it has been approved”.
Israeli military doctrine as currently applied in Gaza involves the deliberate perpetration of crimes against humanity. This is why medical centres, ambulances, apartment buildings, mosques, etc. are being bombed. Note that *disproportionate* force is the plan – therefore, Hammond’s call for Israel to act in a proportionate way is a waste of time. Of course it’s a waste of time, because the government he is a part of supports Israel’s actions.The Boy

In response to the assertion that Israel is targeting Hamas – Israel's Northern Command General Gadi Eisenkot said: "What happened in the Dahiya quarter in Beirut in 2006 will happen in every village from which Israel is fired upon. We will apply disproportionate force upon it and cause great damage and destruction there…From our standpoint, these are not civilian villages, they are military bases…This is not a recommendation. This is a plan. And it has been approved”. Israeli military doctrine as currently applied in Gaza involves the deliberate perpetration of crimes against humanity. This is why medical centres, ambulances, apartment buildings, mosques, etc. are being bombed. Note that *disproportionate* force is the plan – therefore, Hammond’s call for Israel to act in a proportionate way is a waste of time. Of course it’s a waste of time, because the government he is a part of supports Israel’s actions.

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Dr Martin says...8:29pm Sun 20 Jul 14

stevo!! wrote…

Dr Martin wrote…

Since 1947 they have bullied and pushed around since then , but I suppose it's easy when you have one of the largest and and most modern armies in the middle east sponsored by Uncle Sam

And when are you going to make a similar comment about the Arab nations who have been armed by Russia? Israel hasn't bullied anyone. It has resisted aggression.

What about them?, I am on about the suffering inflicted on Palestinians by Israel

[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote:
Since 1947 they have bullied and pushed around since then , but I suppose it's easy when you have one of the largest and and most modern armies in the middle east sponsored by Uncle Sam[/p][/quote]And when are you going to make a similar comment about the Arab nations who have been armed by Russia?
Israel hasn't bullied anyone. It has resisted aggression.[/p][/quote]What about them?, I am on about the suffering inflicted on Palestinians by IsraelDr Martin

stevo!! wrote…

Dr Martin wrote…

Since 1947 they have bullied and pushed around since then , but I suppose it's easy when you have one of the largest and and most modern armies in the middle east sponsored by Uncle Sam

And when are you going to make a similar comment about the Arab nations who have been armed by Russia? Israel hasn't bullied anyone. It has resisted aggression.

What about them?, I am on about the suffering inflicted on Palestinians by Israel

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stevo!! says...8:29pm Sun 20 Jul 14

The Boy wrote…

In response to the assertion that Israel is targeting Hamas – Israel's Northern Command General Gadi Eisenkot said: "What happened in the Dahiya quarter in Beirut in 2006 will happen in every village from which Israel is fired upon. We will apply disproportionate force upon it and cause great damage and destruction there…From our standpoint, these are not civilian villages, they are military bases…This is not a recommendation. This is a plan. And it has been approved”. Israeli military doctrine as currently applied in Gaza involves the deliberate perpetration of crimes against humanity. This is why medical centres, ambulances, apartment buildings, mosques, etc. are being bombed. Note that *disproportionate* force is the plan – therefore, Hammond’s call for Israel to act in a proportionate way is a waste of time. Of course it’s a waste of time, because the government he is a part of supports Israel’s actions.

Of course our government supports the legitimate right of a state to respond to aggression. Quite why you're harking back to an earlier conflict isn't clear.......Israel should respond to ALL acts of aggression.

[quote][p][bold]The Boy[/bold] wrote:
In response to the assertion that Israel is targeting Hamas – Israel's Northern Command General Gadi Eisenkot said: "What happened in the Dahiya quarter in Beirut in 2006 will happen in every village from which Israel is fired upon. We will apply disproportionate force upon it and cause great damage and destruction there…From our standpoint, these are not civilian villages, they are military bases…This is not a recommendation. This is a plan. And it has been approved”.
Israeli military doctrine as currently applied in Gaza involves the deliberate perpetration of crimes against humanity. This is why medical centres, ambulances, apartment buildings, mosques, etc. are being bombed. Note that *disproportionate* force is the plan – therefore, Hammond’s call for Israel to act in a proportionate way is a waste of time. Of course it’s a waste of time, because the government he is a part of supports Israel’s actions.[/p][/quote]Of course our government supports the legitimate right of a state to respond to aggression.
Quite why you're harking back to an earlier conflict isn't clear.......Israel should respond to ALL acts of aggression.stevo!!

The Boy wrote…

In response to the assertion that Israel is targeting Hamas – Israel's Northern Command General Gadi Eisenkot said: "What happened in the Dahiya quarter in Beirut in 2006 will happen in every village from which Israel is fired upon. We will apply disproportionate force upon it and cause great damage and destruction there…From our standpoint, these are not civilian villages, they are military bases…This is not a recommendation. This is a plan. And it has been approved”. Israeli military doctrine as currently applied in Gaza involves the deliberate perpetration of crimes against humanity. This is why medical centres, ambulances, apartment buildings, mosques, etc. are being bombed. Note that *disproportionate* force is the plan – therefore, Hammond’s call for Israel to act in a proportionate way is a waste of time. Of course it’s a waste of time, because the government he is a part of supports Israel’s actions.

Of course our government supports the legitimate right of a state to respond to aggression. Quite why you're harking back to an earlier conflict isn't clear.......Israel should respond to ALL acts of aggression.

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Dr Martin says...8:38pm Sun 20 Jul 14

The most shameful day in the history of the Jews: 27 September 2008

The most shameful day in the history of the Jews:
27 September 2008Dr Martin

In response to the assertion that Israel is targeting Hamas – Israel's Northern Command General Gadi Eisenkot said: "What happened in the Dahiya quarter in Beirut in 2006 will happen in every village from which Israel is fired upon. We will apply disproportionate force upon it and cause great damage and destruction there…From our standpoint, these are not civilian villages, they are military bases…This is not a recommendation. This is a plan. And it has been approved”. Israeli military doctrine as currently applied in Gaza involves the deliberate perpetration of crimes against humanity. This is why medical centres, ambulances, apartment buildings, mosques, etc. are being bombed. Note that *disproportionate* force is the plan – therefore, Hammond’s call for Israel to act in a proportionate way is a waste of time. Of course it’s a waste of time, because the government he is a part of supports Israel’s actions.

Of course our government supports the legitimate right of a state to respond to aggression. Quite why you're harking back to an earlier conflict isn't clear.......Israel should respond to ALL acts of aggression.

I think they are killing enough, don't you?

[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]The Boy[/bold] wrote:
In response to the assertion that Israel is targeting Hamas – Israel's Northern Command General Gadi Eisenkot said: "What happened in the Dahiya quarter in Beirut in 2006 will happen in every village from which Israel is fired upon. We will apply disproportionate force upon it and cause great damage and destruction there…From our standpoint, these are not civilian villages, they are military bases…This is not a recommendation. This is a plan. And it has been approved”.
Israeli military doctrine as currently applied in Gaza involves the deliberate perpetration of crimes against humanity. This is why medical centres, ambulances, apartment buildings, mosques, etc. are being bombed. Note that *disproportionate* force is the plan – therefore, Hammond’s call for Israel to act in a proportionate way is a waste of time. Of course it’s a waste of time, because the government he is a part of supports Israel’s actions.[/p][/quote]Of course our government supports the legitimate right of a state to respond to aggression.
Quite why you're harking back to an earlier conflict isn't clear.......Israel should respond to ALL acts of aggression.[/p][/quote]I think they are killing enough, don't you?Dr Martin

stevo!! wrote…

The Boy wrote…

In response to the assertion that Israel is targeting Hamas – Israel's Northern Command General Gadi Eisenkot said: "What happened in the Dahiya quarter in Beirut in 2006 will happen in every village from which Israel is fired upon. We will apply disproportionate force upon it and cause great damage and destruction there…From our standpoint, these are not civilian villages, they are military bases…This is not a recommendation. This is a plan. And it has been approved”. Israeli military doctrine as currently applied in Gaza involves the deliberate perpetration of crimes against humanity. This is why medical centres, ambulances, apartment buildings, mosques, etc. are being bombed. Note that *disproportionate* force is the plan – therefore, Hammond’s call for Israel to act in a proportionate way is a waste of time. Of course it’s a waste of time, because the government he is a part of supports Israel’s actions.

Of course our government supports the legitimate right of a state to respond to aggression. Quite why you're harking back to an earlier conflict isn't clear.......Israel should respond to ALL acts of aggression.

I think they are killing enough, don't you?

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stevo!! says...10:08pm Sun 20 Jul 14

Dr Martin wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

The Boy wrote…

In response to the assertion that Israel is targeting Hamas – Israel's Northern Command General Gadi Eisenkot said: "What happened in the Dahiya quarter in Beirut in 2006 will happen in every village from which Israel is fired upon. We will apply disproportionate force upon it and cause great damage and destruction there…From our standpoint, these are not civilian villages, they are military bases…This is not a recommendation. This is a plan. And it has been approved”. Israeli military doctrine as currently applied in Gaza involves the deliberate perpetration of crimes against humanity. This is why medical centres, ambulances, apartment buildings, mosques, etc. are being bombed. Note that *disproportionate* force is the plan – therefore, Hammond’s call for Israel to act in a proportionate way is a waste of time. Of course it’s a waste of time, because the government he is a part of supports Israel’s actions.

Of course our government supports the legitimate right of a state to respond to aggression. Quite why you're harking back to an earlier conflict isn't clear.......Israel should respond to ALL acts of aggression.

I think they are killing enough, don't you?

The missiles are still hitting Israel, so there are a few terrorists who still require 'dealing with'.

[quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]The Boy[/bold] wrote:
In response to the assertion that Israel is targeting Hamas – Israel's Northern Command General Gadi Eisenkot said: "What happened in the Dahiya quarter in Beirut in 2006 will happen in every village from which Israel is fired upon. We will apply disproportionate force upon it and cause great damage and destruction there…From our standpoint, these are not civilian villages, they are military bases…This is not a recommendation. This is a plan. And it has been approved”.
Israeli military doctrine as currently applied in Gaza involves the deliberate perpetration of crimes against humanity. This is why medical centres, ambulances, apartment buildings, mosques, etc. are being bombed. Note that *disproportionate* force is the plan – therefore, Hammond’s call for Israel to act in a proportionate way is a waste of time. Of course it’s a waste of time, because the government he is a part of supports Israel’s actions.[/p][/quote]Of course our government supports the legitimate right of a state to respond to aggression.
Quite why you're harking back to an earlier conflict isn't clear.......Israel should respond to ALL acts of aggression.[/p][/quote]I think they are killing enough, don't you?[/p][/quote]The missiles are still hitting Israel, so there are a few terrorists who still require 'dealing with'.stevo!!

Dr Martin wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

The Boy wrote…

In response to the assertion that Israel is targeting Hamas – Israel's Northern Command General Gadi Eisenkot said: "What happened in the Dahiya quarter in Beirut in 2006 will happen in every village from which Israel is fired upon. We will apply disproportionate force upon it and cause great damage and destruction there…From our standpoint, these are not civilian villages, they are military bases…This is not a recommendation. This is a plan. And it has been approved”. Israeli military doctrine as currently applied in Gaza involves the deliberate perpetration of crimes against humanity. This is why medical centres, ambulances, apartment buildings, mosques, etc. are being bombed. Note that *disproportionate* force is the plan – therefore, Hammond’s call for Israel to act in a proportionate way is a waste of time. Of course it’s a waste of time, because the government he is a part of supports Israel’s actions.

Of course our government supports the legitimate right of a state to respond to aggression. Quite why you're harking back to an earlier conflict isn't clear.......Israel should respond to ALL acts of aggression.

I think they are killing enough, don't you?

The missiles are still hitting Israel, so there are a few terrorists who still require 'dealing with'.

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mixxer says...12:09am Mon 21 Jul 14

The Zionist fascists are using fleshette shells on civilians and Obama and Cameron say nothing! "He who pays the piper calls the tune".

The Zionist fascists are using fleshette shells on civilians and Obama and Cameron say nothing! "He who pays the piper calls the tune".mixxer

The Zionist fascists are using fleshette shells on civilians and Obama and Cameron say nothing! "He who pays the piper calls the tune".

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The Boy says...7:48am Mon 21 Jul 14

Stevo!! - the quote is relevant because it is an explicit statement that civilians will be targeted. This undermines your view that only 'terrorists' are being targeted.

Stevo!! - the quote is relevant because it is an explicit statement that civilians will be targeted. This undermines your view that only 'terrorists' are being targeted.The Boy

Stevo!! - the quote is relevant because it is an explicit statement that civilians will be targeted. This undermines your view that only 'terrorists' are being targeted.

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stevo!! says...9:38am Mon 21 Jul 14

The Boy wrote…

Stevo!! - the quote is relevant because it is an explicit statement that civilians will be targeted. This undermines your view that only 'terrorists' are being targeted.

Which quote? Repeat it, please.

[quote][p][bold]The Boy[/bold] wrote:
Stevo!! - the quote is relevant because it is an explicit statement that civilians will be targeted. This undermines your view that only 'terrorists' are being targeted.[/p][/quote]Which quote?
Repeat it, please.stevo!!

The Boy wrote…

Stevo!! - the quote is relevant because it is an explicit statement that civilians will be targeted. This undermines your view that only 'terrorists' are being targeted.

Which quote? Repeat it, please.

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Dr Martin says...10:35pm Mon 21 Jul 14

stevo!! wrote…

Dr Martin wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

The Boy wrote…

In response to the assertion that Israel is targeting Hamas – Israel's Northern Command General Gadi Eisenkot said: "What happened in the Dahiya quarter in Beirut in 2006 will happen in every village from which Israel is fired upon. We will apply disproportionate force upon it and cause great damage and destruction there…From our standpoint, these are not civilian villages, they are military bases…This is not a recommendation. This is a plan. And it has been approved”. Israeli military doctrine as currently applied in Gaza involves the deliberate perpetration of crimes against humanity. This is why medical centres, ambulances, apartment buildings, mosques, etc. are being bombed. Note that *disproportionate* force is the plan – therefore, Hammond’s call for Israel to act in a proportionate way is a waste of time. Of course it’s a waste of time, because the government he is a part of supports Israel’s actions.

Of course our government supports the legitimate right of a state to respond to aggression. Quite why you're harking back to an earlier conflict isn't clear.......Israel should respond to ALL acts of aggression.

I think they are killing enough, don't you?

The missiles are still hitting Israel, so there are a few terrorists who still require 'dealing with'.

but mostly the civilians will be murdered in their hundreds

[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]The Boy[/bold] wrote:
In response to the assertion that Israel is targeting Hamas – Israel's Northern Command General Gadi Eisenkot said: "What happened in the Dahiya quarter in Beirut in 2006 will happen in every village from which Israel is fired upon. We will apply disproportionate force upon it and cause great damage and destruction there…From our standpoint, these are not civilian villages, they are military bases…This is not a recommendation. This is a plan. And it has been approved”.
Israeli military doctrine as currently applied in Gaza involves the deliberate perpetration of crimes against humanity. This is why medical centres, ambulances, apartment buildings, mosques, etc. are being bombed. Note that *disproportionate* force is the plan – therefore, Hammond’s call for Israel to act in a proportionate way is a waste of time. Of course it’s a waste of time, because the government he is a part of supports Israel’s actions.[/p][/quote]Of course our government supports the legitimate right of a state to respond to aggression.
Quite why you're harking back to an earlier conflict isn't clear.......Israel should respond to ALL acts of aggression.[/p][/quote]I think they are killing enough, don't you?[/p][/quote]The missiles are still hitting Israel, so there are a few terrorists who still require 'dealing with'.[/p][/quote]but mostly the civilians will be murdered in their hundredsDr Martin

stevo!! wrote…

Dr Martin wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

The Boy wrote…

In response to the assertion that Israel is targeting Hamas – Israel's Northern Command General Gadi Eisenkot said: "What happened in the Dahiya quarter in Beirut in 2006 will happen in every village from which Israel is fired upon. We will apply disproportionate force upon it and cause great damage and destruction there…From our standpoint, these are not civilian villages, they are military bases…This is not a recommendation. This is a plan. And it has been approved”. Israeli military doctrine as currently applied in Gaza involves the deliberate perpetration of crimes against humanity. This is why medical centres, ambulances, apartment buildings, mosques, etc. are being bombed. Note that *disproportionate* force is the plan – therefore, Hammond’s call for Israel to act in a proportionate way is a waste of time. Of course it’s a waste of time, because the government he is a part of supports Israel’s actions.

Of course our government supports the legitimate right of a state to respond to aggression. Quite why you're harking back to an earlier conflict isn't clear.......Israel should respond to ALL acts of aggression.

I think they are killing enough, don't you?

The missiles are still hitting Israel, so there are a few terrorists who still require 'dealing with'.

but mostly the civilians will be murdered in their hundreds

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stevo!! says...8:23am Tue 22 Jul 14

The Boy wrote…

Stevo!! - the quote is relevant because it is an explicit statement that civilians will be targeted. This undermines your view that only 'terrorists' are being targeted.

I know for a fact that only terrorists are being targeted. I also know that civilians who aren't terrorists are being killed. I know that some are confused by the two states. Shall I accept that you haven't a clue which quote you meant?

[quote][p][bold]The Boy[/bold] wrote:
Stevo!! - the quote is relevant because it is an explicit statement that civilians will be targeted. This undermines your view that only 'terrorists' are being targeted.[/p][/quote]I know for a fact that only terrorists are being targeted.
I also know that civilians who aren't terrorists are being killed.
I know that some are confused by the two states.
Shall I accept that you haven't a clue which quote you meant?stevo!!

The Boy wrote…

Stevo!! - the quote is relevant because it is an explicit statement that civilians will be targeted. This undermines your view that only 'terrorists' are being targeted.

I know for a fact that only terrorists are being targeted. I also know that civilians who aren't terrorists are being killed. I know that some are confused by the two states. Shall I accept that you haven't a clue which quote you meant?

Score: -2

Dr Martin says...9:50am Wed 23 Jul 14

The Prime Minister expressed condolences for the deaths of Israeli troops and concern about mounting civilian casualties in Gaza. Israeli soldiers lives seem to be your main concern, tut tut Prime Minister

The Prime Minister expressed condolences for the deaths of Israeli troops and concern about mounting civilian casualties in Gaza.
Israeli soldiers lives seem to be your main concern, tut tut Prime MinisterDr Martin

The Prime Minister expressed condolences for the deaths of Israeli troops and concern about mounting civilian casualties in Gaza. Israeli soldiers lives seem to be your main concern, tut tut Prime Minister

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