Nasser might be close , he really doesn't do his shots technically either , he tends to hold his arms to high in the front double biceps shot , his side chest is actually more of a side deltoid shot , his front latspread he flexes his abs , his side triceps is he looks narrow because I don't think he bends his knee enough , Dillett couldn't move or hold poses , Nasser held them at least better than Paul did

Sherief- Stop trying to make Nasser a timeless icon. He never won an olympia for a reason. That reason being he wasn't that good and had the worst fish belly of his era. So whether u are nassar or his gay fuck buddy let it go.

Somethings aren't so subjective , you stand two bodybuilders side-by-side , it's not objective who has short legs , a long torso , higher lats and less of a taper , it's not objective to see who is dry & hard and who is holding water and is soft , it's not objective to see is having a problem holding a pose and transitioning from one pose to another without looking awkward , etc

it is a 1+1 = 2 sport when you know what you're looking at . You're to biased to be objective

The subjectivity comes in how much do you penalize one bb vs. the other for not having as detailed of a back or for having torn arms, larger waist, etc. How much do you penalize (or do you even penalize) a bb for not doing the exact same fashion as traditionally others have done it? How much to value additional size over lines, etc.

The subjectivity comes in how much do you penalize one bb vs. the other for not having as detailed of a back or for having torn arms, larger waist, etc. How much do you penalize (or do you even penalize) a bb for not doing the exact same fashion as traditionally others have done it? How much to value additional size over lines, etc.

Your refusal to admit his back was lacking much more than just detail is why you think it was closer than it actually was. Nasser's back is much more of a liability than Dorian's torn bicep and triceps and I explained a million times why

And size over lines? this is where your bias clouds your judgement , Nasser didn't have classic lines , that's some bullshit you guys created , he was the size and he wasn't the lines , perfect example was one of the Arnold Classics, Flex vs Nasser was dubbed ' size vs lines ' for as reason , Bob Paris , Nasser is not

Your refusal to admit his back was lacking much more than just detail is why you think it was closer than it actually was. Nasser's back is much more of a liability than Dorian's torn bicep and triceps and I explained a million times why

And size over lines? this is where your bias clouds your judgement , Nasser didn't have classic lines , that's some bullshit you guys created , he was the size and he wasn't the lines , perfect example was one of the Arnold Classics, Flex vs Nasser was dubbed ' size vs lines ' for as reason , Bob Paris , Nasser is not

my point of "size vs lines" was discussing Nasser vs Flex as an example. Even Flex magazine implied that when they said comparing them is like apples vs oranges.

Nasser might be close , he really doesn't do his shots technically either , he tends to hold his arms to high in the front double biceps shot , his side chest is actually more of a side deltoid shot , his front latspread he flexes his abs , his side triceps is he looks narrow because I don't think he bends his knee enough , Dillett couldn't move or hold poses , Nasser held them at least better than Paul did

All of this is true. It;s weird because for a guy as big as him he looked shallow in the side poses...and when you see him on video it really shows up how flat he looks from the side ....he had a strange build IMO ........the most unimpressive Huge person you'll ever see. I know i say it as a joke a lot......but his head is too damn big. couple that with the lack of detail and lines, and it's not hard to see why he was never the top dog...there was always somebody better than him. A few people, actually. he was never truly considered a threat for the mr Olympia crown.

All of this is true. It;s weird because for a guy as big as him he looked shallow in the side poses...and when you see him on video it really shows up how flat he looks from the side ....he had a strange build IMO ........the most unimpressive Huge person you'll ever see. I know i say it as a joke a lot......but his head is too damn big. couple that with the lack of detail and lines, and it's not hard to see why he was never the top dog...there was always somebody better than him. A few people, actually. he was never truly considered a threat for the mr Olympia crown.

This coming from a guy that wears a tank top in his posing video to hide his tits'n'belly. Lol...one of those guys that wears a wife beater to the beach, even in the water. Talk about a hypocrite.lol

i am a biased yates fan and of course i feel he won all 6 of his titles,without question,but i think of all the fellas in the old guard,nasser came the closest to defeating him,flex and kevin were better genetically,and should have pushed him more,and shawn came closest in the back dept. but nasser seemed to have more heart and drive and once he figured things out,dialed it in and pushed dorian more consistently than the rest.

All of this is true. It;s weird because for a guy as big as him he looked shallow in the side poses...and when you see him on video it really shows up how flat he looks from the side ....he had a strange build IMO ........the most unimpressive Huge person you'll ever see. I know i say it as a joke a lot......but his head is too damn big. couple that with the lack of detail and lines, and it's not hard to see why he was never the top dog...there was always somebody better than him. A few people, actually. he was never truly considered a threat for the mr Olympia crown.

ahahahahaaaa your last sentense alone shows how much you know nothing or your hatred to nasser (who refused to meet you) makes you see things blindly!!.. even those who are not fans of nasser's physique can see well how he was a real threat for the olympia in 96 and especially 97.. dorian dominated in 95 but nasser was the big hit of the year and a lot of fans saw him the next mr. olympia and the only guy who could beat dorian if he improved his back a little.. in the olympia 98 tape there were some interviews with many fans and bbs asking about their opinion who would win and all answers came as ronnie or flex or nasser.. no one said shawn or kevin which shows that at a certain point nasser was a bigger threat than these great bbs!!..

if nasser was not arab!!.. if nasser accepted to meet you!!.. i am sure your opinion of him would have been much better

ahahahahaaaa your last sentense alone shows how much you know nothing or your hatred to nasser (who refused to meet you) makes you see things blindly!!.. even those who are not fans of nasser's physique can see well how he was a real threat for the olympia in 96 and especially 97.. dorian dominated in 95 but nasser was the big hit of the year and a lot of fans saw him the next mr. olympia and the only guy who could beat dorian if he improved his back a little.. in the olympia 98 tape there were some interviews with many fans and bbs asking about their opinion who would win and all answers came as ronnie or flex or nasser.. no one said shawn or kevin which shows that at a certain point nasser was a bigger threat than these great bbs!!..

if nasser was not arab!!.. if nasser accepted to meet you!!.. i am sure your opinion of him would have been much better

The fans said he was a real threat huh? fans don't judge contests , Nasser was NEVER a threat for the simple fact he had no back , a threat means someone with a legitimate chance to win the whole contest and he didn't have that in 1996 or 1997 , in fact in 1996 although disqualified he placed behind Shawn

he was never gonna win the greatest contest not against Ronnie , Dorian or anyone else he was lacking to much

The fans said he was a real threat huh? fans don't judge contests , Nasser was NEVER a threat for the simple fact he had no back , a threat means someone with a legitimate chance to win the whole contest and he didn't have that in 1996 or 1997 , in fact in 1996 although disqualified he placed behind Shawn

he was never gonna win the greatest contest not against Ronnie , Dorian or anyone else he was lacking to much

so according to you who were considered real threats during dorian era??..