This is NOT directed towards people who have general opinions (go ahead, have em'). This is a response to some of the recent EXTREME attitudes that I've seen around here and Tumblr. If you don't like candid opinions, please click here. You will not be disappointed.

It's probably more in defense of TTGO than BTB, since I've seen more people grumble about that show. Teen Titans and Teen Titans Go are not the same show. Let's get that straight out. It's not a continuation, it is a variation. If you can understand that, then maybe it will be less painful for you.

Teen Titans Go may not be your cup of tea, it might irritate you, it might even make you mad. Boycotting DC Nation because you want to stick it to those CN and DC Executives doesn't make any sense. You got four children, and you're telling me that you're going to treat the two younger children like shit because they don't live up to your expectations? BTB and TTGO are part of the DC Nation family, and they are here to stay until they are off the air.

I noticed this issue of hate prior on tumblr especially with Miss Martian and La'gaan, specifically about people tagging their hate. If you have ever reblogged, or started your own post about specifically not tagging your hate for a character/show/portrayal and encouraging others to do so, then hopefully you can somewhat empathize for the show and the people who have worked on it. Practice what you preach, and if you don't, then you're exhibiting hypocrite behavior, no matter how you try to justify it.

Many people worked on these shows, BTB and TTGO, many of whom are on twitter, tumblr, deviantart, facebook, etc… Some of these people have worked previously on GLTAS and YJ. Many of these creators and people who are involved are only seeing your vitriol towards these shows, which is ridiculous and unfortunate, especially since these shows have not even premiered yet. This might sound a little flowery, but they do have feelings too. And even if you're not actively insulting the people who've worked on it, by collectively saying that the show in general is absolute shit, you indirectly are.

By calling these two shows all sorts of terrible names, you're not just going against the show, but you're probably also demonizing people who might like the show and driving away potential members of the DC Nation family because of your nostalgia gone crazy. A kid might watch this show and become attached to these characters, which might then lead them to watch the original Teen Titans (HA HA VICTORY!) or any other DC affiliated animations. It might be hard for some people to understand, but there are a lot of people who have never seen Teen Titans or BTAS, or Batman Beyond, etc, and if this is what gets them into the DC family, then are you really going to complain about that? Sometimes people make it so hard for others to enter a fandom because those fans are afraid to say that they like the series or afraid to post related fan works, because of the toxic atmosphere. And don't think that toxic atmospheres only exist outside of the internet. That's like trying to claim that cyber-bullying is not real bullying (which it is if you're out of the loop).

What's with all the negative pressure? Nostalgia is nice and all, but if you're going to go out of your way to purposely drive potential younger fans (dc in general, not just TTGO/BTB) away because it doesn't meet your expectations of what the show should be, then that's a bit silly. If a kid says he likes TTGO, are you really going to tell him or her that the show's stupid, or that they don't understand good programming? Probably not. What you would probably say is, "well hey, neat. I'm not too cool about it, but if you like TTGO, then you'll love Teen Titans! Check it out, it's a show that I watched when I was a kid! It's totally rad…" You make it a positive experience not a negative one.

If you're going to go into these BTB and TTGO with that intent that you're going to absolutely hate those shows, then congratulations, you're going to hate the shows! If you don't want to watch the show, then don't watch the show. There's nothing wrong with not watching a show if you don't think you'll like it. There is nothing wrong with opinion, go ahead, give it. But when you spew condemnation at these two shows AND THEIR CREATORS/PRODUCTION without even watching it, then you are spreading hate, no matter how you try to slice it. You are only torturing yourself and potentially others.

Look at the reasons below, and see if any of them apply to you, and if they do, I would hope that you can be a little more open minded.

1. You feel annoyed or even angry that there might be people/kids who might genuinely like these two shows, because you actually take TTGO as a personal affront and insult to your childhood. Sorry, but if you watched the original Teen Titans in your childhood, then more than likely, your childhood is probably long since over. Cherish it, move on, and make new memories.

2. You immediately reblog something that trashes the show, because hey, they hate it too! What a coincidence. Also, another thing you might have in common? You haven't seen the show.

3. You somehow still think and/or unwilling to change your opinion that YJ and GLTAS were cancelled for the sole purpose of being replaced by BTB and TTGO (If you do and are totally convinced that this is true, then I will leave you in Narnia. I heard it's a nice place.)

4. You are actually willing and wanting to tell/order/warn/pressure people not to watch it because you feel that that action somehow is warranted and acceptable.

5. You will refuse to let your children/younger siblings watch it, even if they wanted to. (I could understand if was Maury or Jersey Shore, but TTGO? Seriously?)

6. You revel in the fact that other people share your hate, and since other people share your hate, your constant barrage of vitriol is somehow justified. Congratulations, you are practicing diffused responsibility because you have a mob mentality. It's okay if it seems everyone is doing it.

7. You're attacking those show on tumblr/facebook/whatever for fact that you just can. 1st amendment, cause it's totally cool to tell those people at CN that they should kill themselves because they didn't renew your favorite shows. If you're writing comments to CN, the people who work at CN, DC or anyone involved, read them out loud to yourself. Writing an opinion is just as legit as speaking it out loud. If it sounds like you're a borderline sociopath or something you would never, ever, ever say in real life, I would encourage you take a good hard look at yourself.

8. You use the excuse that you have the "right to be angry." That is one of the most misguided reasons that I've ever heard. You don't have the right to be angry, you have the right to an opinion. There's a difference. Change the word "angry" to "happy" and see how entitled that sounds. It's the same excuse that gun owners use to argue that they have the right to own as many high-powered arms as they can, it's the same excuse that people use to argue against soda/saturated fat laws so that they can eat and drink themselves to oblivion, merely because they have the right to.

9. You're saying that the show looks like shit, or that it doesn't look like a lot of work was put into it, writing, animation, direction, etc... My only question to you is this: Do you work in the industry?

Believe me, I loved Teen Titans too, it changed me in a very positive way. I mean, that's like the only thing I drew when I first started deviantart. I was even a vice-vice at the Teen Titans Club here!However, I cannot, and I mean this with complete honesty, cannot watch it now. I don't know what it is, but I know I definitely enjoyed it when I was younger. It reminds me of when I tried rewatching The Magic School Bus again (damn that 90s science...) I can understand why you feel a little betrayed, especially if you watched all five seasons of TT and loved it, but I cannot even begin to understand the absolute hostility. I mean, for example, I don't understand Twilight too much, but I wouldn't tell someone to stop reading the book or watching the movies if they liked doing those things. If you're reading this, taking it in, and you're still going to go off on both shows just because you can, then I can't help that. I think that speaks of something deeper than you just not liking the show.

There are ways to spare yourself the pain, so concentrate your energy and passion on saving the shows that were actually cancelled, instead of absolutely shitting on shows that haven't even premiered yet.

And when the shows premier, and you don't like it, that's cool. No bigs. Go ahead, have your opinions. AFTER YOU WATCH. But when you're done, go watch another show or do something else, bake a cake, spend time with a sibling, maybe help out with saving shows... Have you seen the effort into saving GLTAS and YJ…? Holy amazeballs. Think about how much more support there would be if your hatred was changed into passion.

As always, thank you for reading. Have a good day! Thoughts are welcome. ^^ btw... did you like the link that I directed you guys towards?

My problem with Teen Titans GO! is mostly that they teach backwards morals that tell kids to act out. No morals would be better than backwards morals. They say they want to be original, but just dub over clips from the old show and even made an episode copying TMNT. Their writing is completely stupid, like on the episode where Beast Boy has replaced money with bees and now is rich, but he is allergic to bees and there was a time skip. Why'd it take him so long to get that allergic reaction and why does the guy who can turn into any animal have an allergy to an animal? They're constantly beating up Robin for no reason too, why is that? A couple of the episodes are fine, like that "Hey, Pizza" episode or the "Perfect Sandwich" episode and even that "Road Trip" episode. Not only were those episodes good, but they also matched the old shows characters. Most other episodes are just god awful though and make jackasses out of the group. Half their comedy comes from running around and screaming, they even said so in that TMNT knock-off episode. The worst episodes are "Waffles" and "Serious." In "Waffles" there is only one joke and that is saying "waffles" repeatedly. It wasn't funny and they even acknowledged that twice. The only time it was funny was when Beast Boy said it to Raven that one time and she blushed. In "Serious" instead of ignoring the complaints about the show they make an episode acknowledging the complaints and act like trolls, saying "this it what it would be like if we were serious." They made that episode to make those people even more angry. That episode just shows how immature and stupid they are. My hate for this show has very little to do with the old show. I've seen those good episodes and they make me want to watch the show and to like it, but they have so many awful episodes.

Here's what I hate about Teen Titans GO! that has to do with the old show: everything about all the characters was exaggerated to the extreme, like how Robin is now a control freak and his little crush for Starfire is now like that of a creepy stalker. They continue to make Robin a bad guy for each episode. And when they brought up Teen Titans GO! they made it look like they were bringing back the old show, but just showing the ordinary life stuff they had to deal with between all the episodes. That's it. That takes up like 3% (at max) of my hate for this show.

The ONLY problem I really have with these shows is not bc of the style or the story, I'm actually pretty excited about them. My biggest problem/fear is that they will be mostly controlled by the toy companies. So if not enough little kids buy toys, then the show will just get ripped out of our hands like with young justice.

I personally find that unfair for a few reasons. One of my biggest ones is that I didn't know they even MADE toys for the show. I never saw an ad or a commercial for them, excpet the mcdonald's commercial that one time. I thought I was supporting the show by watching it AND buying the dvds and comics.

So why should I get invested in this show with the knowledge that for DC or CN, it's not about ratings, it's about the toys?

See, that's the thing. If you think that way, then by all means, don't support the show. If you don't show support for the show, that's just your personal opinion.

I wouldn't say it's purely for the toys. Avatar the Last Airbender and Korra are not toy driven, yet they continue to be made because Nick pumps money into those shows, advertising, dvd/digital sales, etc.. ^^

Before tell my MASSIVE opinion on your article and Teen Titans Go, let me be clear that I barely use my DeviantArt account and I only caught on to this post through a Google search (which I'll explain later). But anyways...

Right before I read this article, I LOATHED Teen Titans Go. As the late Roger Ebert would say "I hated hated hated hated hated hated HATED this [show]". Throughout the past week (maybe two weeks), I have been ROARING my hate all over Youtube Videos of clips and promos for the show. But not only have I been attacking the show, but I've been attacking people trying to defend the show from the massive amount of hatred. My username is krazeeKidd102; if you want, you can check my channel just to see the tremendous amount of posts on nothing but Teen Titans Go videos, and all of them are insanely negative.

And when I saw "Defense of..." in the title, I was convinced it was going to be another "mindless sponge" that was going to lecture me simply because they cannot understand why lots of people were honestly angry with how their childhood icons were about to be mutilated and "ruined". I mean, how can they possibly be fans of the show? How can they possibly lecture me if they can't understand how I feel?

Needless to say, I was wrong.

I want to say thank you for writing this, because now I'm MUCH calmer and less stressed out than I was for the past few weeks after you managed to hit the nail on the head. I think the difference between you and several YouTubers was the fact that they showed almost equal amount of hostility and obsession as the "haters" like me. That and the fact that throughout this entire post, you did NOT say anything along the lines of "it's just a cartoon" or "stop getting so worked up over a cartoon", as if I didn't already know that.

Those statements became a Berserk Button to me during the past week, and it's simply because Teen Titans isn't just a show to me. It's something that I hold precious. I've been with the series even back when the first promo premiered on TV(remember that: "The TEEN TITANS! Stopping Crime, Saving the World, and looking for the remote control" or something like that). Back when I had such a busy lifestyle at a private school and extracurricular activities like music, this was the ONLY show that I would actively try to watch every single episode on time. I loved the comedy, I loved the drama, and I loved the characters, as well as the Character Development. This was the first show to make me CRY for crying out loud (...heh). It was the episode where Terra sacrificed herself to save the friends she previously betrayed. When you manage to intentionally make a young child care THAT MUCH about a character in a show as well as the relationships to other characters, you have succeeded in making an animation that can last for a LONG time, if not forever. THAT is something to be proud of.

And the reason why it succeeded is the BALANCE of comedy and drama, as well as being transition between them smoothly. It's 100% appealing to ANYONE of all ages. In the post, you said you honestly cannot watch it nowadays. Maybe I can understand that...I mean, I remembered watching a rerun a few months ago and realized some badly animated bits and some of the anime-esque humor wasn't really that funny anymore. HOWEVER, for me, it definetely holds up despite some age. Even now (as an anime and manga nerd), I use Teen Titans, or at least its BALANCE of comedy and drama, as a basis for recognizing my absolute FAVORITE series of the bunch.

That being said, I was very uncomfortable with the new direction even back when the shorts were released. I thought they were somewhat cute and reminded me of how much I loved the old series. However, my amusement was mostly from show and not from the shorts' quality and I remember EVERYONE commenting on various videos practically BEGGING for a season 6, and NO ONE was asking for more of the shorts. Then, when Teen Titans Go was announced, the wave of dissappointment hit. I didn't like the fact that it was a full-fledged comedy (especially when the shorts the show started from didn't leave an impression on me), and I didn't like the new character designs. And of course, there was the interview where "apparently" the producers said that they never watched the show or that they watched a couple of episodes (in reality, they were being sarcastic. One guy said he was kidding, but the other was talking over him). Until someone pointed it out a few days ago, I truly believed it. And until now, I told myself it might as well be tue.

Because when the first promo was released a few weeks ago (as well as a clip of the show), I was furious. It was bad enough that I was indifferent at best to the show's vastly different direction, but it had WORSE humor, extremely cheap looking animation, and the Teen Titans acted so out of character. Robin lost all of his competence and was a show off, Starfire cared about how she looks and the way she dresses apparently, Raven lost all REASON to be stoic and snarky and sometimes even vicious, Cyborg, instead of inventing devices and working out, was a lazy bum eating his ass off (in one clip in the long trailer, he's even comically FAT and smelly), and Beast Boy looked like a baby-shit colored gremlim and ate pepperoni pizza when he's supposed to be a vegetarian.

.......yeah.....I was pretty pissed. In your post, you said you couldn't possibly understand why anyone would be so hostile that they would go at such lengths to discredit the show, whoever worked on it, and whoever who DARES to actually like it. As someone who LITERALLY was exactly like that until this evening when I read this, I'll respond to the seven reasons to tell MY perspective:

1. Oh yes. This one hits hard because it's sadly true. Think of it like this: I hate this show. It goes against EVERYTHING I originally loved about the show as well as why everyone else loved the show. Because you are SO DAMN ATTACHED to a show that was such an influence on your childhood, it feels like a slap in the face. In real life, no one (or at least I hope not) likes to be slapped in the face. Now, there are (of course) people who will defend the show from the "irrational hatred" (which it is, but whatever). These people SUPPORT the very show you hate so much. They SUPPORT the very thing that goes against everything you loved about the original. Even if they never actively attacked you , just the mere existance of such an opposite reaction to the same thing FEELS like they are dileberately attacking you.

In other words, if the show is slapping you in the face, people who support and like it are slapping you the face too. One by one by one. Please note that it's EXACTLY as irrational as it sounds, but hey, hatred and contempt works like that.

2. Considering how much I hated the show, I was probably going to do it sooner or later. Heck, I've already put TTG rants in my favorites list on YouTube, so I guess that counts.

3. Admittedly, I never watched Young Justice. I'm not a watcher of Cartoon Network anymore. I stopped when they started their CN Real experiment. In fact, I don't watch a lot of TV period anymore. I'm not really getting a lot of children's programming nowadays, though I'm probably just getting older. Anyway, I only checked the YMMV page of Young Justice on TV tropes, which pretty much told me "Yep, this show is severely flawed and not worth it." Yes, I use TV tropes as a basis for checking out series as well. But the point is, Young Justice's cancellation never bothered me much because I didn't watch or care for it to begin with. I knew it was sort-of a spiritual successor to Teen Titans, except a lot more serious, but still, I probably only complained about YJ being cancelled once or twice and it's only because it relates to how much I hated TTG and I used it as another "justification" for the rage. Other than that, YJ and the other show doesn't matter to me, much like a lot of CN programming nowadays

4. Okay, here's the thing: I believed (and to an extent I will STILL believe unless proven otherwise) that TTG was a lazy hackjob done by people who want to cash in on the brand name alone. I know that lots of kids watched CN to this day, but Teen Titans has gone out of memory for the past...five years I think. Therefore, the audience the creators are trying to attract in time for the premiere ARE the fans of the original show. They already failed that just from the new direction alone, but combined with the other flaws I previously mentioned such as characters being out of character and lame jokes, it just seems like they really do only want to cash in on the brand name alone.

Even without irrational hatred, I don't want to support a scam. So telling people not to watch something that seems so much like a scam felt rational because you don't want such an "obvious scam" to succeed. In fact, that goes back to what you said about driving away potential fans. At the time, that didn't matter to me; heck, if anything, my hatred of the show was so much that I WANTED to drive away any potential fans if it meant that the show would fail. That and the show already felt like a slap to the face, but you understand. Hatred and Contempt works like that.

5. Honestly, I think this is why I'm so obsessed with havng an entire collection of animated series. If I ever want to have children (who knows when that would be), I think it would be in my best interest to show stuff that I liked when I was growing up. Like I said, I cannot get children's programming nowadays, so I'm really not comfortable with showing younger people or children stuff from today's generation. I know this will sound irrational, but today's cartoons just look stupid to me, so I assume it is stupid and I would NEVER want to show children something stupid. TTG reminds me of today's programming. I don't know when I'm going to get out of this nostalgic stage, but that's how I currently feel at the moment.

6. This is absolutely true. In fact, remember that Google search I was telling you...well, I was literally typing in "Teen Titans Go fan hate" in the search bar.

Yes. That's right. If Youtube wasn't already hate-filled towards the new show, I was actively looking at other forum just for the sake of finding more people who share the same opinion that I have. Go ahead...laugh at me.

Actually, no...scratch that....if it's not trying to find people who agreed with me, it was actively trying to find people who disagreed with me just so I can think rudely of them. I have NO freaking idea what inferiority complex drove me to do that, but whatever.

7. Okay.......even the hateful jerkass I was for the past two weeks had limits. I insulted people, I insulted show and everyone who worked on it, but I NEVER told anyone to go kill themselves. I guess that means there's some hope left. Oh, and the attacking "just so I can" is true. Some inferiority complex, hatred is like that, blah blah blah blah...

And also, please keep in mind. All of these reasons doesn't necessarily apply only to "haters". The defenders of the show (or at least most on YouTube) are just as guilty as we are about being completely hostile. Heck, one of them commented that the dislikers of the IGN hosted clip of the show "Robin at the Market" had "no taste". Of course, I ferociously pounced on him in a heartbeat, and that lead to more shit. I think you are the ONLY person who defends the show while having SOME idea of how we feel without insulting us or telling us not to get worked up over a mere cartoon.

But the wierdest thing about this is that before Teen Titans Go.......I was completely the OPPOSITE of what I was am now. I hated Nostalgia Filter and I joked all the time about people who couldn't let their nostalgia go to see something objectively superior. Heck, I was one of the people who DEFENDED Dragonball Z Kai back when people were bitching about the voices, music, pacing, and script, and laughed at how people were labeling it as "disrespectful to the original and its fans". Heck, even the orignal Teen Titans isn't safe from this. The show was EXTREMELY loosely based on a comic book series and so many fans of DC comics hated the show's portrayal of the "source material" just like I did for TTG. They hated how they were including anime-like elements and the lighter-hearted tone to it and ranted about how there are never going to be good shows like Batman TAS anymore. I knew fully well I was the generation that saw the "butchered version" and loved it...

...and yet, I didn't care. I called the previous generation of complainers "basement-dwelling little shits" and continued my ranting. It's amazing how I was so intolerant of letting nostalgia get the better of people, and yet all it takes is for the same situation to happen to me and I do a complete 180.

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But with ALL THAT being said...I've decided I'm not going to watch the show.

Like I said, the animation looks cheap, the Titans appear flanderized or out of character, and it's completely based around unfunny gags. To be honest, I'd be MUCH LESS HARSH (heck, I'd probably even outright like) on the series if it focused on much more intelligentely written humor. I'd like it to parody a lot about the series it's based off of; or better yet, use that HUGE cast the Teen Titans has grown to at the end of Season 5. There are so many things you could do with that humongous cast of unestablished characters. Heck, I'd love it if it parodied more anime tropes. The original was already anime-esque, and if they're going to go all out chibi, they might as well play with so many tropes like the Inaction Sequence, Animtion Bump, or maybe even a few entire shows. Granted, it'll probably be even further from the original series, but hey, it was already different anyways. If you're going to do something different, do it right. It would be funny for the kids, and even funnier for the grown audience that they're advertising to in the first place.

Of course, I know that it's only a promo and a few clips. The show premieres on Tuesday, and there IS plenty of time they can do stuff like what I've listed above. However, if I'm right, and this IS a show that's just made for the brand name or it would never grow beyond the quality that was shown in the trailers, then I don't want to support it.

Pretty much the same decision I made so long ago, except I'm not going to be an asshole about it.

Though, I'm not so sure about everyone else who's mad about this. As far as I'm concerned, there's only two ways this massive amount of hatred will subside:

A) Cartoon Network brings back the original Teen Titans for a season 6.I'm pretty sure this will never happen. If we support TTG, CN will most likely make a Season 2 of TTG. If we don't, then CN will just cancel it and never touch Teen Titans again...which doesn't bother me much because we still have the Titans on DVD, so it's not like the series is going anywhere.

B) Teen Titans Go becomes popular and goes on for extra seasonsLike I said, I (and a majority of TT fans) will not support this show. So naturally, the only people who will support it are kids at home who knows nothing about the original show it's based off of.

Logically speaking, if it's crap, then it'll get cancelled after one season.

And if it is objectively entertaining and memorable, then it'll go on for more seasons because people want more of it. Only then will I give the show a chance with a positive mindset.

C) We get saved by a video game company...I know this sounds strange, but hear me out. There is a video game called Transformers: War for Cybertron and a sequel.

Now granted, I'm not a fan of merchandise-driven franchises at all, but many people...weren't in favor of the Michael Bay live-action movies. Besides the fact that they were bad movies, fans felt "betrayed" and angry just like I was for TTG. War for Cybertron and its sequel is the epitome of combining everything from the comics, to the original show, to even newer shows and SOME aspects of the live-action movies to make a quintessential Transformers experience that fans certainly enjoyed and praised from left to right.

If all else fails, I'd love to see someone make something like that for Teen Titans. I'd like to see a (preferebly very good) video game based off the original show, as well as adding in some characters from the comics, and have an vastly big plot involving a sinister villain. The cutscenes would be completely animated and we would play as multiple characters. That would be cool. Of course, it'd probably be annoying for people to slobber over it and proclaim that the game "saved the franchise from TTG" but I honestly wouldn't mind. Can't say the same for anyone else.

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I'm done.

I've already said everything I needed to say. I wouldn't be surprised if no one reads this. I just wanted to say that what you wrote really opened my eyes there; those seven reasons could probably apply to ANYTHING nostalgia/hype backlash related. If you feel like responding, please do so.

Thank you very much, and hopefully may this show do as well as it deserves.

No seriously, I love conversation like this. My response will be quite shorter, but I will try to respond to you as best that I can!

Believe me, I feel that everyone has something that is precious to us, with you it’s TT, for me it’s DC in general, with a focus on Blue Beetle. I mean, if they had made a show about BB, and it was terrible, I’d be insanely sad, like really crazy sad, especially if it differed from the portrayal that I would like it to be. And if it really differed from what I think BB should be portrayed as, I’d admittedly probably would be pissed too, but the difference between me and others people who might feel the same way, is the fact that I wouldn’t talk/rage about it, because well… I just have no urge to.

XD There’s always a range I believe, in people who are passionate about things, and even I love BB to death, it’s just my personality not to get too upset about things, even if it’s things I love. It’s like the Michael Bay Transformers movies… Do I think they were totally dumb? Of course, but that’s just my opinion, but a lot of people seem to like it, so I just quietly left the fandom for a bit. You won’t ever see my hate or criticism of it just because I tend to push it to the side to do other stuffs.

As for your responses!

1. Sometimes people need to vent, I totally understand that. ^^ My love for TT never carried over into my adulthood, and actually, the fondest memories that I have are for the characters that hardly showed up, if that makes any sense. ^^ I can see where you guys are coming from.2. –3. YJ is definitely a serious show, as I watch this show purely for entertainment, I’m not usually bothered by the “flaws” that people might associate with the show. XD To give an example, I loved Korra, sure maybe there were some things that I would have changed, but in general, I really, really enjoyed it. But I know some fans who dismiss the whole thing because of the ending, which I think is a bit ridiculous.4. Perhaps to a certain extent, that might be true. I work for CN, but I’m not part of the executive team who makes decisions. I cannot exclude that as a potential reason.5. You know, it’s the weirdest thing. This might sound strange to you, but when I was watching TV as a young kid, I would watch things ranging from PBS to Jerry Springer. I was a hardcore infomercial/music collection watcher. But my mom never really restricted me from watching TV, and maybe some people would say that was irresponsible of my mom, but I think I turned out relatively well-balanced, just because I watched what I wanted to watch, and my mom never told me that the shows were stupid. I was never ashamed of watching cartoons/kid stuff because my mom never made it a point to do so. Point being, I will definitely push all these animations/movies that I loved as a kid FIRST, and then let them watch some of these cartoons on the tv, even if they look a bit mindless.6. Hey, don’t think that you’re alone in this. I’m sure I had my moments to, but probably when I was younger. I’ll go back to my Michael Bay Transformers example. I absolutely loathe the movies, to this day, I absolutely refuse to watch them, and I do not like hearing them in the background. But one day, I had talked to another friend of mine, same age as me, and before I could say my opinion about the films, he went on about how much he loved them. In my mind, I could not fathom HOW he could like them that much, but after hearing what he had to say about the films, my reply to him was a lot gentler than what I was going to say. Believe me, I was about to go off (not at him, but at the movies) but after he finished his view on it and asked what I thought, I really settled down and told him simply that I didn’t like it that much and that it was not really what I was looking for, but then he encouraged me to tell him why it didn’t appeal to me. I did, but it was a great experience. I never tried to make him not like the movies, and he didn’t try to make me like the movies. XD I had initially wanted him to agree with me like hardcore, but in the span of a couple of minutes, the feelings were gone.7. Hey, you guys are people too, living, breathing people with emotions and passions, and more importantly, a reality of life that I might not understand. It’s sorta like how a person might show how they do not like how their race is portrayed on the tv, which, if I’m not a person of that race, it would be so easy to write them off and say, well hey! A person of your race is on the series, why can’t you be happy at that! But I can’t, and I shouldn’t. Maybe that person went through things or has been stereotyped because of the way they look. I don’t know their history, etc, etc…

I don’t think I’m going to watch the show either, as you know my love for TT has grown dimmer over the years. Even if they continued a literal 6th season of the original TT, I’m not even sure I would watch that, which might sound strange. But then again, I refused to watch Batman: Brave and the Bold, but that now is one of my favorite series… Funny how that works out!

As for the rest of the people who are mad… well, I’ll let them be. You can’t stop people from having opinions, but they can’t stop me either from looking at those said opinions and wondering about them. I’ve got more important things to worry about, rent, work, friends, food, etc… XD

Well, thank you so much for writing. Like I said, I think my original intent for this journal entry was to open some people’s eyes. People have to be given a chance, and yes, even if some people’s words rub me the wrong way, they’re still people, and it doesn’t do anyone good if the first reactions I have to haters is to ignore them and or retaliate. Trying to fight fire with fire equals more fire, as it’s just simple maths.

Like, if someone’s exhibiting racist behavior, what ideally is the best thing to do? (btw, I’m not trying to compare you to a racist… XD just an example) Write them off as pigs, or try to get them to understand how that behavior isn’t doing any good for anyone? My opinion is the latter, but even if I have my limits. There are some people who will never change, which is a reality that you and I have to deal with. But there are a lot of people who are willing to read and take in other opinions, and then maybe consider their own and re-evaluate it. My opinion doesn’t make yours any less valid, and that’s how I think it should be. That’s why I can read hatred towards a show without really feeling offended, analyze it, and come up with my own response.

Respect is a two way street, so if so-called “defenders” are giving you some serious serious shit for having your opinion, then I think that’s a bit ridiculous. Ridiculousness can spawn more ridiculousness, so I try not to create any in the first place. ^^

Thank you for your response! A lovely read from a truly passionate fan!

Agreed! There are many times when I tell my friends " Hey check this show out " They bash it and condemn it to hell and they never took one chance to watch it or they see one person say a negative comment and they hold on to that comment. It's really annoying when some of these shows that are really good are not seen by their eyes because it's not the same or it looks like this and that. what is funny about this is that some of those people end up still liking the show and would still lie in your face and say " I never hated the show." I totally agreed with you. TTGO, I really do want to see but I have run with a bunch of people who said the same about " it's not good enough, the first series of this was better " and I'm like dude, it's the same characters but it's not the a sequel or anything like that.

:: Sighs ::

If anything we can chat about this tomorrow lol It stroke an interest.

Agreed. BTB doesn't look that good, but I'll give it a chance, as for TTG I'm not sure how it's going to be. But I'll definitely take look.One question if you can answer, it looks like the animation for BTB is the same for the GLTAS.. am I wrong? They look very alike, at least the pictures I've seen.At first I was against these two new shows, because other two shows (my favorites) were going down. And christ the ending for both. IT'S TERRIBLE AND SAD ;A; (but yay, impulse = kf )Also another question: You were/are involved with the Ben 10: Omniverse programming series aren't you?

Actually, BTB and GLTAS are not done by the same studios, I don't think. However, I could be wrong, so don't quote me on that. XD The only reason why I'm saying that is that BTB, when I had see concepts of it, it just had a different look. It's sorta like when you can see the difference of what people looked like in Pixar's UP vs. Pixar's Incredibles. Squatish vs taller.

They just really look alike. The body type, the shading and much more.Well, it could be from the same studios, but it may be done differently.

That is amazing, I am a huge Ben 10 fan, mostly of the early series, but to me Omniverse compensates for the awful Alien Force/Ultimate Alien. And it's funny, and I was so excited when I found out Derrick Wyat was the art director. I love that guy. You guys are doing a fantastic work. I mean, I do have certain things I don't like about Omniverse, but it's obviously because I'm too attached to the original series.

In all honesty, that's not being a hater, that's just an opinion. ^^ It's when you actively discourage people not to watch because of your own opinion or you're telling people that they're idiots for liking it, etc... XD I think you know what I mean. ^^

Personally I'm less than enthusiastic for BtB and TTGO. I'm not a huge fan of Batman and I actually disliked Teen Titans, although I watched TT when I was older so I didn't have nostalgia going for me. I'm willing to reserve my opinions for BtB when it airs since it might be good, but I have very low expectations for TTGO and will be pleasantly surprised if it's actually decent. Yeah it's probably not for me, since I prefer plot-driven shows rather than comedy, and I don't hate the creators and animators and other people behind it. They're just doing their job.

What bugs me is about TTGO the most is that it might be the direction in which cartoons are heading in. It seems like the networks don't care much for plot heavy shows with obscure or original characters and expensive animation. They only want to make cheap Flash-animated cartoons with gags and recognizable characters so they can make as much money as possible. If TTGO is more successful than YJ and GLTAS, it's not going to encourage CN to make more shows like them. It's going to encourage them to make more shows like TTGO. Which might not be a bad thing if older viewers can enjoy these shows too. Heck, the new TMNT blends comedy, nostalgia, great fights and characterizations into an awesome show. But TTGO? It's going to alienate a lot of the older viewers, and if the trend continues, there won't be any shows that can be enjoyable for both adults and kids. Which makes me sad.

Sorry if my rambling is incoherent. I do have reasons for disliking TTGO and it's hard for me to put it down in words. Your rant makes it sound like all haters have mental health issues so I had to say something...

XD Are you admitting that you're a hater? XD jk, jk! Not all haters have mental issues, but man... sometimes I wonder.

Yikes! Well, my intention was towards those people who were more extreme than just disliking/hating, the vulgar comments, the not wanting others to enjoy it, etc. If you dislike it and don't want to watch it, I could care less actually. People can do as they please. ^^ But if people are going to just tear into the show because it's not "their" Teen Titans, and because they haven't seen it? *shrugs* I'm happy that these shows are being made. YJ and GLTAS had a good run, could have run longer, but it didn't.

Your rambling doesn't sound incoherent at all, as you bring up very good points. CN has a history of going back and forth between action/comedy, so we might have a couple of years of comedy, but it will probably switch back eventually. And holy smokes, if they made a DC TMNTish show, that would be AWESOME!

I wouldn't consider this a rant, as I could just consider your comment just merely a rant as well, which is something I don't like doing. I look at your comment and my journal entry more like a shout out for your opinion and plea for common decency, but thank you for replying. Your post had a lot of important points, business wise. ^^

Personally I don't think either look that good, but I can sympathize with what you were saying about how showing hatred to them makes it harder for newer fans. A lot of franchises I got into thanks to otherwise unpopular entries, such as The Batman, Transformers Armada, G Gundam, and Digimon Frontier. I might try these new shows out, who knows they could wind up being really enjoyable even if they deviate from what's normal for those franchises.

Of course! Ideally that was what this entry was about, about keeping an open mind, and not ruining the experience for others, if they like it. And if you don't like it, hey, that gives you more time to check out other shows, am I right? XD

Well that certainly is a positive way of looking at it.One thing I will admit that I'm guilty of though, is that I do tend to lose my patience when a good show has a bad sequel that's set in the same universe, but when it's a completely new interpretation I usually have no problem with anything they do with it.

XD hey, we're all guilty of something, aren't we? I'm sure that I'm a bit too optimistic sometimes, which probably drives some people crazy. I do think that it would have made more sense if they really distanced themselves away from the original TT, but since it's already being made, ah well.

I liked the original five, but in TT, I had always more identified with the lesser known members, like some of the villains, Titans East, etc...

I'd definitely watch it if it had the same development team as the original Teen Titans.If they made it, having to listen to Mas y Menos every week would probably better motivation to learn Spanish than actual Spanish class XD

At first I thought "oh, great, the start of this sounds aimed at me being able to express my extreme discomfort about TTGo..." and that's what it sounded like a lot of the time. But In reading the list of 8 reasons I found that none of them apply to me, by action or thought.

I will say I hate TTGo to express my negative feelings over how sneaky they were to do it this way (seriously, they could have told us) and the insult that they think it's going to make the petition signers HAPPY, but if I choose to be specific I will say I dont hate the show itself.

I hate how they did it. If they wanted to say "hey, you guys signing the petition inspired us to mae a different show" ok, fine. But they didnt, they went to Mr. Petition-starter (yea, I know who it was, not a friend but I found him by accident) and said "well, you get your wish!" uhhh... NO, this is not what ANYONE wished for. I didnt sign the petition. Because I knew if they did make a season 6 they would change everything to make all the biggest fangroups happy (such as pairings--there's a lot of Robin+Raven, but way more of BB+Raven, so they'd appeal to the masses, but pairings is just one example) But why not keep making a kids show like what they did before?

I'm with you on that note, letting the kids enjoy it. In talking with many people about TT a lot of fans want the show to grow up with them, but what about the writers making a season 6 same as 1-5? For KIDS? It changed my life and maybe saved it (loooong story about abuse and suicide back in 2003) Why not make a season 6 for kids? Did Sesame Street grow up with it's original fanbase? NO. What about Barney? NO. Rugrats tried "growing up" and look how that turned out. It wasnt all that bad, sure, it was kinda fun, but it wasnt what I'd call a good idea. They should have stuck with the baby stories. I think TT should stay the way it was for the kid's sakes. No taking off masks, no using real names, no pairing up coulpes, no finding out who ReX is (sorry... "Red X". nickname... )

I think the fans who want it to grow up should grow up themselves and let the kids have the show. Looking at the crap they have to watch today (not actually referencing TTGo or the new Batman thing) kids NEED a show like Teen Titans. When you grow up you look at what makes a kid happy and let them have it, unless you really think it's going to hurt them somehow. People who think the show should suit them and not even car about the kids are just being selfish.

I will disagree on not voicing our negative opinions. If it's just trolling, like what you described, then that shouldnt happen. But if I talk to someone who's excited about the show I'm going to be honest, I dont like the looks of it and if I watch it and hate it I'm going to say so. I'm going to look at any lttle kid who loves it and admit I hate it out loud, but then I'm going to tell them that if they like it then nothing shuold stop that.

You shouldnt tell people to not say negative things about something for fear of driving fans away from being fans, you should tell the fans your honest negative opinion then tell them to love what they love. That there will always be people who dont agree with them and they should accept that without letting it ruin their passions. Not mentioning your negative feelings only reinforces in them that they shoulnt be braced for other's differences and that they cant get along with someone who doesnt like the same things as them. I have numerous friends who hate things I like and vice versa and I love them all the more for it. Todays kids are so hyper-sensitive because of this kind of thing and it needs to stop.

I once made a joke about my cousin but because I used the word "witch" (in a positive way--it's a long story, inside joke) her daughter who was in high school, and she's NOT mentally handicapped, went bawling and screaming to everyone in the family about "being under attack" and begging for everyone to stop me. Do you see this? Instead of trying to be understanding or asking why or thinking it might just be a joke or dealing with it, a "normal" girl is sent into a frenzy that may as well have bordered suicide--LITERALLY. I emphasize again: she is not mentally handicapped, not even a little. But everyone's handling kids so poorly, they're not teaching them how to deal with things and it sets them up for bullies and big-time abusers along with con artists. When my cousin's daughter gets out in the real world, it will eat her alive. I kid you not. She's screwed.

Studies have been done on today's kids and even the experts and professionals are starting to notice this growing problem.

I wont judge something I havent seen yet, but I will analyze what I have seen (screenshots and what I've heard in interviews) honestly and if I dislike it, I will say so. Call it crap, junk, whatever word I feel fits the quality, but while acknowledging that the judgement is NOT aimed at the show, because I cant judge something that I havent seen.If I should be talking to someone who loves the show I refuse to hold my tongue. They'll get my honest opinion and then I'll ask for why they like it. I like hearing people talk about something they love. Their face lights up and they start jabbering proudly, you can practically see their face when you're messaging them online and they're THAT happy. I could hear it in my friend's PMs when he became a brony, the show just made him so happy inside. Back then I didnt know much about the show and I was skeptical, but I loved hearing him talk about it. I was asking him about all the characters, not out of interest in the show, but in interest of his happiness.

I realize your entry doesnt apply to me, but though I applaud your intentions and your obviously positive outlook on life, I do disagree with that one point about what you say to fans of something that you dont like. I admire you for everything else

Okay, hang on, I'm sorry for focusing on one small incidental part of your wall of text here but...

Why should anyone in charge of writing anything Teen Titans care about pleasing all the specific fangroups everywhere? Shippers especially. That's... kind of impossible to do. You can't please everyone in the fandom, and I think changing the show to pander to fans and their particular wishes can actually be a really bad decision. And for the most part, Teen Titans did what it wanted, regardless of fan input or reaction.

I guess I just mainly don't agree that the writers would change everything to please big fan groups, if we were to get a continuation. (Not that I'm particularly interested in having one. It'd be nice I guess but I also understand that it's an unrealistic expectation.)

Don't worry, this happens to me all the time. I have a long message and someone doesn't read it carefully enough, then they post something "incorrect" in response ho hard feelings.

Far from ALL shows are like that, and do cater to fangroups is a HORRIBLE idea. But it's still going on in way too many places. Then when a show does badly, they sit there and scratch their heads saying "wull wut huppened?? we gave em wut they liked!" 9_9

These days, at least 80% of most show plotlines is catering to the major fangroups and what they want. No, Teen Titans did not do that, but they were before this "please the whiners" trend was really kinda "taking over". So, of course they had the freedom to make it the way they thought it should be made.

Ah! I actually was not aware of a season 6 TT petition. XD I guess by that time, I was deep, deep into highschool, and I disappeared from the internet for a while. I'm happy that Teen Titans affected you in a positive way, from what I'm reading, it seems that it was a tether for you.

No, I totally got you, and I actually don't disagree with that you said. Being able to actually effectively dealing with the bad things in your life without going off the deep end/hurting others is actually a good skill. Sometimes the negativity in your life can be a good thing, if that makes sense, as it allows a person to experience those emotions/feelings, and hopefully if they ever encounter it again, well, then they can effectively deal with it, either by letting things go and/or by being positive. Of course, we're all different, and while I don't like being preachy, and I apologise if I did, just the number of people tearing the show a new one without any other reason than the show is PROBABLY a piece of shit, well, jeez. If people can have opinions, then this is my own.

XD Of course you see those comments everywhere, and in all honesty, I would never really bring it up, but the reason I did was because one of my friends who worked on GLTAS had told me that the only reaction that he saw for the show was very negative. Granted, that was for the first 4 or 5 episodes, but all he saw was negative reaction, and well, needless to say, he wasn't feeling too good. But! When he came to one of our DC Nation meetups and saw the reactions that we had, from live people, he was very pleasantly surprised.

But besides that, I totally understand where your coming from, as I think most people have friends who are into something that's different from you, but I guess I'm more impartial about it. XD I neither love them/nor hate them for it, I just leave them to their business.

Negative opinion isn't bad, and I apologize again if this seemed like it strayed towards saying that. XD If we never told our kids to watch out for strangers or don't be afraid of cars, then our children are f**cked. But as for negative opinion, there's always that strange sort of ... cycle I guess? So with like... what's more important, teaching a child to react properly to bullying, or teaching children not to bully in the first place? Probably a mixture of both, I'm not a therapis. XD

Yikes for your cousin! Well, I can only hope that somehow she matures a bit, but if not, as heartless as this might seem, she might just have to deal with it. And maybe when she goes out into the world by herself, she might mature, who knows? Sensitive people aren't bad people, but they are quite the handful, believe me! I lost a best friend over it, which is sad, but I've moved on.

I guess for me personally, it's just a bit different. I acknowledge that when I was younger, I was crazy for TT, but then I just grew... out of it. I'm not passionate about it anymore. So if I were in your situation, and somebody asked my honest opinion, I would probably would just say that it doesn't look like a show I'd watch, but I wouldn't call it crap/junk. It's just not my personality to do so, as I usually don't get riled up about TV shows. I don't usually try to sway people away from an idea unless I think it's legitimately crazy. XD

... out of curiosity--what kind of show would be a "legitamately crazy show"? I know you said "lagitamately crazy idea", but since we were talking about shows in general it made me wonder what kind of show would fall under that XD maybe "Jackass"-? Not something for kids, at least.

I feel sorry for everyone working on those shows. I may not like them (and after seeing some episode previews for TTGo, I dont like them but I'm gonna watch more before I gauge the show as a whole) but I know the writers really wanted to make a GOOD show, and they really thought they did. I think they try too hard, such as with Young Justice. They were trying harder to please a lot of people than to go with their gut instincts.

Considering that you had so many comments to this entry of yours, I didnt think Id get a response at all thanks for taking me seriously.

Oh, actually, I wasn't referring to tv shows specifically. ^^ Just in general. Ideas like you can't do things because of gender, race, etc... all men are dogs, women can't be complete unless they have kids, etc, etch, you know, the more extreme ideas where I gotta speak my mind.

Actually shows like Jackass can be very funny. ^^ Actually, one of my guilty pleasures is "Braxton Family Values." I am totally guilty of watching reality shows.

XD Well, it's not like your comment was "booga booga booga." I always try to take other's view seriously, since I don't know where other people come from, their lives, etc.. ^^ And if anyone doesn't take you seriously because you have an opinion, then that's just silly. ^^

Your preaching to the choir dude, I for one have high hopes for TTG, but wherever I read comments about it, almost everyone just tears it a new one. I'm thinking they can at least wait and actually watch the show before they hate on it.

Oh, all of this! I totally agree. I don't know why people are so angry about it, it's like you said: not a continuation, just a variation. I've been looking forward to watch it ever since I heard it was coming ^^

There's just one thing that worries me, though. The people who are working on the new show haven't watched the original series. o__o [link] (0:50 if you want to see it)

I'm really happy about Teen Titans actually I'm sad it's not a continuation of the old show and it's not the same animation (I think the animation is what I'll miss most), but it's still something and I'm not like "I'm willing to give it a chance", why do I need to give it a "chance"? I'll just watch it and support it I know I'm gonna like it cause it's the characters I love and they still have the same voice actors/actresses That's enough for me! I really think if the voices were changed then it would have been a total loss. I think what I'll miss most is GLTAS ironically. I started out really loving YJ and I didn't like GLTAS at all, and watching them more, there was quite the role reversal xD GLTAS really grew on me and YJ actually started grating my nerves with how complicated everything was getting with too many characters and the random couples. I really don't know too much about BTB but I'll also watch that as well If I don't like it at first I'll still watch it cause it may do the same thing GLTAS did to me, it may grow on me xD My dad had me watching Batman movies at a very young age and Batman was the entire reason I got into superheroes, so I'm more than willing to watch it

I love the way you are defending the shows. To be honest, i wasnt too sure of what to make of the new TTG! but after the promo, i dont think its THAT bad as i first thought.Giving views to the old shows will eventually bring it back, i hope c:

Thank you for speaking against the main crowd. Thats really rare but amazing to see nowadays.

Well, for me, if most people don't like TTGO, then that's of little concern to me. People like what they like, and if they don't like something, that's fine. XD I was more perplexed at the hatred towards the show, all the blame towards the show that I was like, now it's starting to get into the ridiculous zone. Especially since some people were actually encouraging people to verbally attack CN and the show. That's just unacceptable. I don't condone that in real life, I don't condone that on the internet either.

I actually have my own reservations about the new shows: TTGO for its chibi-ness, and BTB for what they did to Alfred. However, I like to give shows I have not seen a chance. Sometimes one is surprised in a good way if they do. For example, I was about to abandon Ben 10 Omniverse on the basis of not likening the other Ben 10 serieses, but I gave it a chance, and I actually think it is kind on interesting. Who knows, maybe the same will happen with these new DC Nation shows. I will still miss GLTAS and YJ though.