One thing I like about this DCU is that at least Batmans stuff is presumably all in place and has been for a long time. I can stomach origins for the rest of the league who hasn't had that big screen treatment, but the entire world gets the jist with bats.

One thing I like about this DCU is that at least Batmans stuff is presumably all in place and has been for a long time. I can stomach origins for the rest of the league who hasn't had that big screen treatment, but the entire world gets the jist with bats.

I hope it works! DC is cool, DC has just as much, if not more potential as Marvel. Marvel is awesome and I love it, but when you step back and look at the roster of major characters, DC is way more classically iconic and big.

I hope it works! DC is cool, DC has just as much, if not more potential as Marvel. Marvel is awesome and I love it, but when you step back and look at the roster of major characters, DC is way more classically iconic and big.

Thing is, Marvel has both great Major and Minor characters. DC, not so much.

I know that's opinion and that good writers and cast can make a good movie out of crap material, but I've never been impressed with DC. For every Alan Moore Swamp Thing you have characters named "Captain Cold" and "Major Boomerang" who are supposed to be Bad Asses.

And so far, Warner's hasn't been able to make a good Superman movie since Donner's version. They've pulled and Ace with Nolan and his Batman films, but there's no evidence they can repeat the trick.

I would agree with you on Captain Cold and Captain Boomerang... But I kind of like both characters as they are used in the Flash show and the DC Universe. Absurd conceptually, oh for sure. DC characters seem to all kind of come from a very very cheesy Golden Age place, and not all of the characters are able to modernize and mythologize themselves in ways that feel relevant and cool like Batman and Superman.

If done right in Suicide Squad, Jai Courtenay as Captain Boomerang could be The Raid baseball bat and hammer girl levels of cool and badass. It's only the name that truly doesn't not work.

Also, it kind of blows my mind that Mr. Freeze and Captain Cold come from the same universe. Usually DC and Marvel mirror each other... Not the same villain, but my God the gag is IDENTICAL.

Thing is, Marvel has both great Major and Minor characters. DC, not so much.

I know that's opinion and that good writers and cast can make a good movie out of crap material, but I've never been impressed with DC. For every Alan Moore Swamp Thing you have characters named "Captain Cold" and "Major Boomerang" who are supposed to be Bad Asses.

And so far, Warner's hasn't been able to make a good Superman movie since Donner's version. They've pulled and Ace with Nolan and his Batman films, but there's no evidence they can repeat the trick.

It absolutely depends on who's writing the characters. Captain Boomerang has his roots as a goofy Silver Age villain, but he became a memorable character when John Ostrander made him the Suicide Squad's resident asshole. I think we've had good and bad takes on just about every character from both Marvel and DC.

It absolutely depends on who's writing the characters. Captain Boomerang has his roots as a goofy Silver Age villain, but he became a memorable character when John Ostrander made him the Suicide Squad's resident asshole. I think we've had good and bad takes on just about every character from both Marvel and DC.

I agree with you, and in fact my own example of Alan Moore and Swamp Thing prove your point. Also, the Sinister Size series (written by Gail Simone?) was pretty good.

I think my problem with DC characters is, most of them appeared in the 30's and 40's, and were geared towards small kids. Marvel, starting really with Spider-Man in the 60's, was aimed at 10 year old boys on up, and most of their characters thereafter followed suit.

Yeah, there's no question that Marvel was the more relatively mature of the two in the 60s.

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Or maybe it just depends on what and when you started reading comics.

Sounds right to me. I think the whole DC vs. Marvel thing might come down to this for a lot of people. Sort of like how someone's views on the Bond series are usually influenced by what they saw first.

I agree with you, and in fact my own example of Alan Moore and Swamp Thing prove your point. Also, the Sinister Size series (written by Gail Simone?) was pretty good.

I think my problem with DC characters is, most of them appeared in the 30's and 40's, and were geared towards small kids. Marvel, starting really with Spider-Man in the 60's, was aimed at 10 year old boys on up, and most of their characters thereafter followed suit.

Or maybe it just depends on what and when you started reading comics.

Not 100% true. DC characters like Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman were geared towards juvenile age kids but after a few years and upon realization that children younger than the targeted demographic were reading the comics, the publisher began smoothing out some of the rougher edges. And then of course EC comics happened and then Frederic Wertham showed up and the rest is history.

Rumor going around that Bats will appear at the end of Suicide Squad in a scene with Leto's Joker. It will be designed to set up Affleck's solo movie, which will be modeled after The Dark Knight Returns.

Me, around fifty seconds earlier after mis-reading the above post: "They're making an Alfred solo movie?! And basing it on The Dark Knight Returns? What kind of fuck-uppery is this?!!... Oh. It says 'Affleck'."

Rumor going around that Bats will appear at the end of Suicide Squad in a scene with Leto's Joker. It will be designed to set up Affleck's solo movie, which will be modeled after The Dark Knight Returns.

But what I mean is that the older you get in that game the less of a chance you have of becoming huge. Shes 30 now. Not old but for the business shes in.... I think she will continue to work but right now she isn't the lead in anything and I think it's a shame. I hope she ends up starring in something on HBO or something. That really is a place where an underappreciated actor can strive.

True but honestly making any of the Robins that young always felt creepy and wildly irresponsible of "The Dark Knight". I mean you can argue his whole life is irresponsible and taking on a partner of any age would be as well but I would argue that he would at least think of it as this is an adult who can make their own decisions.

True but honestly making any of the Robins that young always felt creepy and wildly irresponsible of "The Dark Knight". I mean you can argue his whole life is irresponsible and taking on a partner of any age would be as well but I would argue that he would at least think of it as this is an adult who can make their own decisions.

I agree absolutely. Particular'y for the TDK Returns's aged Batman, who has pointedly burned through several Robins at that point, allowing the girl to tag along is just insanely reprehensible. So they're going to have to change things up considerably to use any of that material.

I agree absolutely. Particular'y for the TDK Returns'saged Batman, who has pointedly burned through several Robins at that point, allowing the girl to tag along is just insanely reprehensible. So they're going to have to change things up considerably to use any of that material.

As little respect as I currently have for Miller, his version of Batman is pointedly more zealous about his mission than most other interpretations. You can have the guy snatch up a tween for crime fighting duties and play up the insanity of this and make it funny, but I suppose you run the risk of alienating people who won't run with the gag.

All-Star Batman & Robin was tiresome, but I did like the basic idea of seeing Batman through the eyes of this kid and clearly recognizing the man as something of a nutter.

As little respect as I currently have for Miller, his version of Batman is pointedly more zealous about his mission than most other interpretations. You can have the guy snatch up a tween for crime fighting duties and play up the insanity of this and make it funny, but I suppose you run the risk of alienating people who won't run with the gag.

All-Star Batman & Robin was tiresome, but I did like the basic idea of seeing Batman through the eyes of this kid and clearly recognizing the man as something of a nutter.

It's a fun idea, but we're not really entertaining the idea that the Batfleck TDKR movie will play anything less than deadly serious on all fronts, are we?

No, it's just an interjection. I have no idea how this nonsense will play out and beyond being a conversation generator, I'm not all too moved by it (beyond how they will or will not fuck up Wonder Woman).

I'm still operating under the opinion that once again leaning on Miller's version, especially by greying up Batman, is not a terribly attractive idea.

Miller Batman in 2015 is... I feel like we all went from MILLER IS A GENIUS SATIRIST! to HE ACTUALLY BELIEVES THAT STUFF??? ... Ohhh.

I don't mind borrowing the look from The Dark Knight Returns and looking at an older Batman as a way of making the DC Cinematic Universe Batman a little bit more interesting than what we've been exposed to... I actually really like the idea that we've got a Batman with an established Rogues gallery. A Batman who's a worker. Just don't make him Miller Batman in any way but his physical appearance.

I guess what I'm saying is this DC creative team isn't Joss Whedon. I don't trust them with the characters. I don't particularly think they really understand any of these characters. It could go either way. I hope we're not talking about key misunderstandings a few years from now in a post mortem.

I guess what I'm saying is this DC creative team isn't Joss Whedon. I don't trust them with the characters. I don't particularly think they really understand any of these characters. It could go either way. I hope we're not talking about key misunderstandings a few years from now in a post mortem.

On the one hand, all we know for sure is that they didn't get Superman. But that is a pretty major piece to fumble out of the gate, I suppose.

It may be hyperbole on my part but the fact that the first official image we got was Superman in the rain in the dark says so much about how this team are approaching these characters. Even that picture of Wonder Woman. It was just Gal Gadot in costume stood on rubble. There was no sense of awe or majesty about her. I'm not really a big DC guy but I want to see these characters deified.

If they struggled with Supes' name on screen for fear of sounding silly, I guess WW won't be spoken either. Maybe in a Lois headline...

And as much as I think Snyder got Superman wrong, Batman is waaaay more versatile. I'm ready for whatever they throw at us. It may be Elseworld-y, but it won't be brand new. I can handle another Miller inspired take. I've already got my Burton/Timm/60s/Nolan versions.

Like JJ, I'm more concerned with Diana. That's nearly virgin territory and deserves utmost respect on her first cinematic outing. I'm expecting a female Leonidas from Snyder. Should that worry me?Edited by DARKMITE8 - 1/22/15 at 8:42am

If they struggled with Supes' name on screen for fear of sounding silly, I guess WW won't be spoken either. Maybe in a Lois headline...

To be fair, even the Justice League and JL Unlimited shows, which are great distillations of the characters, had trouble finding ways to incorporate the name Wonder Woman into dialogue. She was mostly referred to as Diana throughout the series. The same goes for J'onn J'onzz, who may never have been referred to as Martian Manhunter, as far as I can remember.

Tassler further described the CBS version of the DC Comics icon as “a very strong, independent young woman. She’s coming into her own. She’s dealing with family issues. She’s dealing with work issues. It’s a female empowerment story. If you look at the strong female characters we have on the air, it really is resonant of that … We’re big feminists. It’s her intellect, it’s her skill, it’s her smarts. It’s all of those elements. It’s not just her strength, which she does have.”

"We're feminists.... as long as that continues to be profitable... make sure those detergent ads play during the commeecial breaks..."

I wish this show was on the CW where it might actually have a chance of being a decent comic book show. This sounds like NCIS with capes, which surely isn't what anyone really wants from a Supergirl show.