From a flight tracker it looks like HP6332 which is a mesa CRJ2 is arriving at BOI at 4:03pm today. I hope all goes well with it. It if flying low and slow to BOI. I guess they want to go to an airport that has full crash facilities available.

Hadnt heard anything of the sort this morning at work. While landing without nosegear is generally frowned upon,its not an overly threatening situation to life. Maybe in a fully loaded 757,but not in a RJ200. Anyhow,if this is the case I'm sure I will hear about it tomorrow at work.

Kalispell has an 8000ft runway, but it sees only about 20 flights during its peak summer season and even less this time of year. I am sure a pilot would want to reduce the fuel load and get to a larger airport with probably better trained rescue teams like at BOI. The plane is doing 233 knots at 19,000 ft right now on its way to BOI.

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Firstly, no offense man, but if the nose wheel axle fell off, you don't have much of a choice but to land without it. Secondly, the nose gear is not a critical flight control, therefore the plane would not need to turn around and land immediately, they have time to asses the situation in air before attempting a landing. Thirdly, the CRJ-200 most likely has quite a bit of fuel on board since it was flying FCA-PHX, they need to burn off some fuel and go to a larger airport that can handle a crash landing such as this. Finally, FCA would be a horrible place to try and land in this situation, they have one main runway at 8003ft and a secondary at 3521ft, if they were to land there they would cripple all airline ops into and out of FCA for quite some time while they clean up the mess a nose gear up landing would make. BOI is a good alternative, they have two main runways, the shortest of which is 9763ft, landing here would give plenty of room for the plane to land and would not cripple all operations into and out of the airport.

Haha, I knew someone would have a problem with me putting "crash landing" instead of emergency landing, but I disagree. I worded the topic accurately with the preliminary information I had received. My understanding was that the axle had come off in flight, therefore it would be a crash landing since there would certainly be some structural damage upon touch down. I'm not sure what your definition of life threatening is, but the potential of the aircraft to lose control due to a damaged nose wheel is certainly a life threatening situation, otherwise they would have continued on with their filed flight plan.

Looks like they are going to repo another CRJ up there to pick up the pax.

Wow,we are actually going to accomodate passengers?!?!? At least it isnt a Freedom RJ we are sending up,heard that all 3 of the F8 birds went on mx a month or so ago and cxld. Flagstaff has been a problem flight lately too,a few weeks ago I worked a FLG flight that was WR to 18 pax due to an autofeather issue. Had to bump 15 pax at a time since the same plane was doing the FLG turn all day. POS Dashes

737captain,
I don't mind the wording at all it got my attention and was very good information that we otherwise would not have had. When you are trying to figure out the topic line you have to think like a news reporter, you want to tell people what is going on and get them to read it. Good job!

737captain only posted with the info he was given. The initial page recieved was "FCA airport operations confirms wheel on runway..." and that was followed with a phone call stating the entire nose wheel axle was sperated... so don't jump on him for the topic because it was accurate to the information...at the time!

NWB757300,
were you at work this morning? I dont know what operations was doing today,but we had planes coming anywhere and everywhere. We used B22,24,26,28 and 27 this morning. It was a nightmare with what staffing we had. Of course we ended up having PVR on the 10am bank,get everyone boarded and CA tells us he kind of forgot about the wx alternate and that they were overweight. So, we ended up pulling pax. Just another lovely day at MESA

Only because 353 isn't making any moola sitting on the ramp in BOI. It looked like they were going fly it down tonight but the continuation was cancelled. Lots of WX cancels tonight.

Flagstaff has been a problem flight lately too,a few weeks ago I worked a FLG flight that was WR to 18 pax due to an autofeather issue.

That aircraft still has an auto feather issue and caused major drama today for 6373/YUM.

NWB757300,
I dont know what operations was doing today,but we had planes coming anywhere and everywhere...

That's because SOC decided at about 845 they were going to swap everything in the 1000am bank. Then they decided about 5 minutes later to swap some stuff back and swap others. Everyone at the station did an awesome job though!

Will someone please explain to me how a plane lands without its nose gear and it is called a landing without incident. I am not an aircraft pilot or aeronautical engineer but I don't think it is possible for any aircraft to land without its nose gear and it is called an ordinary landing. Please explain. Thanks

That's because SOC decided at about 845 they were going to swap everything in the 1000am bank. Then they decided about 5 minutes later to swap some stuff back and swap others. Everyone at the station did an awesome job though!

Yeah,I think we all did a great job this morning... i had my flow all marked up with the 6 or 7 changes we got at International. Heh,im glad 6373 moved from B26 to B1,didnt want to deal with that nightmare again. Then PHX Ops couldnt decide if 325 was going to goto the hangar or not,apparently it was hooked up to the pushback and ready to go to the hangar when ops changed their mind and wanted it moved from 28B to 26A. Today was a non "Mettha Pwide" day after about the first 4 changes. Lets hope tomorrow is better

Will someone please explain to me how a plane lands without its nose gear and it is called a landing without incident. I am not an aircraft pilot or aeronautical engineer but I don't think it is possible for any aircraft to land without its nose gear and it is called an ordinary landing. Please explain. Thanks

It had it's nose gear. The nose gear scissor disconnected and apparently shredded one of the tires.

EMBQA-
That makes it sound more realistic. The fire crews at small airports hardly get any practice or training. Thus, it makes the most sense to divert to a larger airport if you are able to make it there.

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American West flight makes emergency landing at Boise airport

10:29 PM MDT on Saturday, September 18, 2004

Newschannel 7

An America West passenger plane made an emergency landing at the Boise airport around 4:30 p.m. Saturday.

The plane, a regional jet with 50 seats, was headed from Kalispell, Mont. to Phoenix. While departing from Kalispell, the wheels would not retract, shredding the front nose tires, said an America West spokesperson.

Pilots decided to stop in Boise, but before they landed, they flew by the control tower for air traffic controllers to assess the damage.

Forty-six people were on board. No injuries were reported.

Some of the passengers were able to get on different flights; others will have to stay until tomorrow.

When I was working with Air Exel in the Netherlands one of our ERJ145´s burst its main gear tires upon rotating at take-off from Munich. The plane circled around to burn fuel and landed back in MUC again. The pilots did an excellent job and landed the plane extremely smoothly, the pax were obviously very relieved and hugged and kissed the pilots! The plane sat there on the runway for quite a while before being lifted and towed away. Ironically the Dutch news reported that a KLM plane was blocking the runway

yes I was at work, and I was amazed, but not too amazed, at the changes we had to 15 out of 18 flights in the big bank...it was a mess, SOC needs to pull their head out of their asses on the weekends...I stapled my flow to the wall as a reminder that it doesnt get much worse than that as it was littered with red pen changes.

Flagstaff has been a problem flight lately too,a few weeks ago I worked a FLG flight that was WR to 18 pax due to an autofeather issue.

That aircraft still has an auto feather issue and caused major drama today for 6373/YUM.

The reason we are still using this dash is that we only have i think 5 in the entire system, so losing one would basically be like losing a market until the problem was fixed.

The nose gear scissor disconnected and apparently shredded one of the tires.

oops. Looks like someone on the ground crew did not correctly reinstall the pin after pushback from the gate.

"Crash landing" will not be how the NTSB classifies it. It will probably be called an "incident" with an emergency landing.

This is so minor the NTSB will not even get involved... just the FAA.

I just got a call from a reliable source who works at Mesa that A/C 353's nose wheel axle fell off right after takeoff from FCA and is diverting to BOI to make a crash landing.

Why I said 'bogus' early on... Do you know how many things would need to fail for the entire nose wheel axle to just fall off...?? Off the top of my head I can think of 5, and I've only worked on a CRJ a hand full of times. Looks like my assessment of the situation was more correct then the person that got a call from a 'reliable source'

I know "Crash Landing" is quite an exaggeration, but honestly, I don't think you guys should just pound on 737captain.

"......and 737captain is not a 737 captain.

That's truly a childish statement. First of all, just because his username says 737captain doesn't mean anything. How do you know that he doesn't want to be a 737 Captain, hmm? Secondly, that statement is pretty much worthless, because I know that you said it so you can try to make more people hate him. And why? Just because you don't like him, doesn't give you the right to try and make everyone not like him. In my opinion, that is very childish and stupid of you to say it.

I think this post should be deleted, and I will suggest deletion, only because it has gone from CRJ incident in Boise, to "let's pound on 737captain because he made an exaggeration."

I wouldn't be surprised if all of us here has made an exaggeration much worse than this. Lay off him.

This was a controlled situation and on any airplane it would have had the same outcome with a professional crew - landed without incident.

737 Captain is 21 to 25 so he is not a captian, but if he is heading that way good for him and good luck.

Topic: RE: Will A Major US Carrier Disappear?Username: CRJDispatchKidPosted 2004-09-19 19:08:52 and read 6650 times.

The NTSB may or may not be involved in this accident. If any of these conditions of the AIM 7-6-2 are met then the NTSB will conduct an investigation. Otherwise the FAA will handle any investigation.

7-6-2. Aircraft Accident and Incident Reporting

a. Occurrences Requiring Notification. The operator of an aircraft shall immediately, and by the most expeditious means available, notify the nearest National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) Field Office when:

1. An aircraft accident or any of the following listed incidents occur:

(a) Flight control system malfunction or failure.

(b) Inability of any required flight crew member to perform their normal flight duties as a result of injury or illness.

(c) Failure of structural components of a turbine engine excluding compressor and turbine blades and vanes.

(d) Inflight fire.

(e) Aircraft collide in flight.

(f) Damage to property, other than the aircraft, estimated to exceed $25,000 for repair (including materials and labor) or fair market value in the event of total loss, whichever is less.

(1) Inflight failure of electrical systems which requires the sustained use of an emergency bus powered by a back-up source such as a battery, auxiliary power unit, or air-driven generator to retain flight control or essential instruments;

(2) Inflight failure of hydraulic systems that results in sustained reliance on the sole remaining hydraulic or mechanical system for movement of flight control surfaces;

(3) Sustained loss of the power or thrust produced by two or more engines; and

(4) An evacuation of aircraft in which an emergency egress system is utilized.

2. An aircraft is overdue and is believed to have been involved in an accident.

In this case with this a/c I beleive the FAA would handle an investigation.

There are about 20 NTSB reports of cracked windsheilds on CRJ's that don't comply with this posting above but are still there.

The statement was "The NTSB will not be involved" that is not correct.

I didn't say they would investigate I just said they would be involved. If you check the NTSB website link you will see that they do get involved with this type of incident, if not only for tracking and reporting of the avaition system.

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20020326X00394&key=1

Is a perfect excample of an incident that does not fall under the above reference.

Did you know an EMB-170 made an emergency landing here in BNA yesterday..? Heck, it didn't even make the local news...!!

Just because an aircraft is involved in an incident, it doesn't always mean the NTSB gets involved. As said above, several things need to be met for them to investigate. They are involved in the cracked CRJ windshield issue now due to it being a repeating issue.

Yes, I know I was on an DLMD-11 AMS-ATL in Dec 2002 that had smoke in the cabin and diverted to IAD. It also was not in the NTSB listing.

I was flying one night in 1987 (I am a licenced pilot) and I heard CMH approach asking my friend also flying to check his altitude. He was in IMC and had a vacuum failure. His plane hit the ground at 260 knots and 25G's force impact in a Saratoga he was killed instantly . That IS in the NTSB website on Nov 24, 1987.

Words like NEVER ALWAYS etc are poor choices. The posting said they will not be involved. They may be.

Yea, no biggie... just good exchange of ideas and thoughts. My biggest beef gets to be when I'll read statements from '16-20 year old' wanna be's that because they subscribe to Airliners or Airways are making definitive statements about the industry I work in.

As for the USAirways EMB-170 emergency landing here yesterday, I don't know much. I was walking out on the ramp when I saw an aircraft landing on 33... which as you know is odd mid day. I didn't give it a thought until it rolled past our hangar with all of the Crash-Rescue trucks chasing it down the runway. Hey... take a look at the thread.. "Bunch of old airport pics (US only)" .... Some great pics of the old BNA...!!

I am glad to see these kids wanting to learn about the industry. Hopefully they will learn like we did before making these sweeping comments. I started flying in 1983 as a 15 year old student pilot and worked line service for a 4 years followed by some tag-along part 135 flying . I had to learn the hard way ! Now I just sit in the back and observe, much easier (Although I am itching to buy a warrior soon).

I wonder if they know about the magical NASA forms which can keep you from getting your license pulled if you cause a pilot induced incident?

I love BNA, there is alot going on and a lot of choices. I have flown DL, WN. DH, CO and NW in and out of here in just the last 16 days. I love the choices.

Is the EMB 170 still out there? I keep seeing a bunch of them at EWR and PHL they are very pretty planes.