Thanks,
As usual your explanation is clear and goes exactly to the point.
It is nice to see that CaNikon learned something from Kodak. Yes escape is difficult and niche is small but safe. For at least 10..15 years

(03-02-2019, 03:25 AM)wim Wrote: The thing to keep in mind is that, certainly IMO, larger cameras will become a niche market, because in-phone cameras basically have taken over from cheaper dslr's and smaller digicams. They are good enough for general purpose use. That also means that any camera with a larger format sensor and interchangeable lenses becomes part of the aforementioned niche market, basically for advanced hobbyists / semipros, and pros of course. In such a scenario, the way it stands, an RP type camera will wrt FF be a FF beginner's camera, and as mentioned, with its current pricing, will likely become quite the best-seller in this type of market.

Of course, that is just my opinion, but I also reckon it is already happening .

Kind regards, Wim

I share the opinion of Wim here, except for one detail:

Whether mobile cameras are good enough for general purpose use is highly debatable. Any camera system from MFT and up will beat a cell phone camera by a very large margin. There simply is no comparison, and the same technical improvements that can be made with small sensor will also be made with larger sensors. This means that the differential will remain.

It is more precise to say that a large portion of the public perceives the performance of the mobile phone as "good enough," partly because they do not prioritize ultimate quality over the convenience of the phone, partly because few of them have compared directly.

If the mobile phone shooters compared the output from their phones with larger cameras, and did so with a critical eye, it is entirely possible that a significant number among them would soon choose larger cameras.

(03-02-2019, 03:25 AM)wim Wrote: The thing to keep in mind is that, certainly IMO, larger cameras will become a niche market, because in-phone cameras basically have taken over from cheaper dslr's and smaller digicams. They are good enough for general purpose use. That also means that any camera with a larger format sensor and interchangeable lenses becomes part of the aforementioned niche market, basically for advanced hobbyists / semipros, and pros of course. In such a scenario, the way it stands, an RP type camera will wrt FF be a FF beginner's camera, and as mentioned, with its current pricing, will likely become quite the best-seller in this type of market.

Of course, that is just my opinion, but I also reckon it is already happening .

Kind regards, Wim

I share the opinion of Wim here, except for one detail:

Whether mobile cameras are good enough for general purpose use is highly debatable. Any camera system from MFT and up will beat a cell phone camera by a very large margin. There simply is no comparison, and the same technical improvements that can be made with small sensor will also be made with larger sensors. This means that the differential will remain.

It is more precise to say that a large portion of the public perceives the performance of the mobile phone as "good enough," partly because they do not prioritize ultimate quality over the convenience of the phone, partly because few of them have compared directly.

If the mobile phone shooters compared the output from their phones with larger cameras, and did so with a critical eye, it is entirely possible that a significant number among them would soon choose larger cameras.

Per Inge Oestmoen, Norway

Hi Per,

The whole thing is, though, that most users are not very critical, and in-camera or in-phone advanced processing is becoming standard now, which essentially means for the majority of people there si no need to go beyond the camera(s) that come with a mobile phone. It really is becoming a niche market for professionals and advanced hobbyists only. And it is happening as we speak. In the past, most people only printed 8 or 9 X 12 (cm) prints, some 10 x 15, oer rather, had them printed, and for that purpose 2000 x 3000 pixels is more than enough. Add more pixels, some clever processing, and it si all most peopel will ever need.

In addition, the top end mobile phones all come with at least 3 cameras these days, with different FLs per camera (WA to normal), and soon there will be phones with telephoto lenses as well, and development of (folded) zoom lenses is happening as we speak too.

This, and the lack of need for quality is basically why our hoby is becoming very much a niche market.

Yes both have similar pirce and sales numbers
The interesting part is that cannon want to kill their main source of income – APS-C SLR and EOS-M. I don’t believe that EOS RP will ever reach the price point and sales numbers of M50 or Digital rebel.