Daniil Kvyat has beaten off strong opposition from Felix da Costa and Carlos Sainz Jr to land the second Toro Rosso seat for next season, replacing Daniel Ricciardo.

The news that the 19 year old has a confirmed seat means that next year there will be at least one Russian on the grid, when F1 arrives in Sochi for the inaugural Russian Grand Prix. He becomes the second Russian driver to make it to F1, after Vitaly Petrov who raced in 57 Grands Prix for Renault, Lotus and Caterham.

The choice is interesting; after Mark Webber announced his retirement from F1, creating an opening at Red Bull Racing, da Costa was widely tipped as his successor. As the summer went on however Sainz staked his claim, helped by influential friends of his father, the former rally champion.

But this site heard from senior drivers in the Red Bull programme that the one they felt had the most talent was Kvyat and it is reassuring to see that the management shares this view. The youngster has really impressed this year in GP3 and still has a chance to win the title.

He will be following in the footsteps of Valterri Bottas who moved into F1 direct from GP3, without doing GP2.

Team principal Franz Tost said, “Daniil is a very talented driver, which can be seen from his results in all the junior categories. He was a very successful Kart driver and, in 2012 he took the Formula Renault 2.0 Championship title with 7 wins. This year, he competed in six rounds of the FIA European Formula 3 Championship, taking 1 win, 5 poles and 5 podiums.

“In addition to this, he is still in a position to win the GP 3 Championship, as he is only 7 points behind the leader. He impressed our team with a strong performance and very informative technical feedback at the young driver test in Silverstone.”

Common, don’t tell me this wasn’t a mistake. This was Felix Da Costa’s seat. He is only in GP3, he should have really taken the role of Jean Eric Verge in 2015.
Anyways, I wish him all the best of luck at torro rosso and hope he finds success there.

I know, but Sauber won’t be the one with all focus on it at Sochi as the only team with a Russian driver now, so that takes away the uniqueness of Sauber idea. Also, Red Bull is a marketing machine and I bet you Kvyat will get big visiblity push from STR during that GP.

Will be interesting to see if STR attracts Russian sponsor money that may have been headed Sauber’s way. I know Sauber had that one contact, but would other Russian sponors have followed suit? Do they now have to reconsider STR as option?

Anyhow, two Russian drivers means 2 teams for Russian sponsors to choose from now perhaps spreading the money a bit thinner. Not that there is shortage of money in Russia.

Anyway, F1 is becoming sooooooo boring. I miss the days when it was real overtaking and not some (I have drs and you don’t) + (if I push my tires will melt)
I was one of those guys who used to get up at 0300hrs to watch a practice session. Only ever missed a GP to play a gig.
These last couple of races I haven’t even turned live timing on. Then I heard that next year there will be even less fuel allowed!!! What a joke, his is not the top motorsport anymore and it makes me very sad to even consider not watching the next race at all.

Totally agree with you. F1 is a shame. Half the grid is full of pay drivers, while true talent is on the sidelines. Bottom line, the FIA is responsible for this with the hyper expensive new engines and ERS. They have put teams in such a stance, they need drivers who bring money, not talent, to pay the bills. They even aren’t capable of implementing a proper budget cap. Then the Pirelli fiasco and the change of tyre construction at mid season, benefitting some teams and compromising others, give a clear view of how and where this beloved sport is going. Next year fuel efficiency will be the Sunday theme, rather than true racing. Any Motorsport series in the world, wherever you are, will be rather more competitive than this lame circus.

What years was that? The mid nighties? Because since the 2000s, it’s been very difficult to pass with the aero.

Mind you in the 90s, we only had two competitive teams in a season. Either McLaren/Williams, Williams/Benetton, Williams/Ferrari, McLaren/Ferrari. I much prefer now when we have four teams going for the win, despite tyres and DRS. (although it’s always Vettel winning in the end!).

Another predictable and cliche ridden Hamilton lover… still finds time to discredit Formula 1, ok its not perfect but going so far off topic to say these things are just pathetic to be honest, if you don’t like it don’t watch it simple no point keep going on about the same thing that is definitely boring.

I started watching F1 in 1996 and I’ve never missed a qualifying or race session since then (or a practice session since BBC/Sky coverage started), but recently I’ve found my love for this sport evaporating.

I have less and less interest in watching it as it’s so predictable and the fake overtaking and endurance style racing just does nothing for me. I find it very boring to watch.

I’m not saying things were perfect in the past, but as a race weekend approached I was always greatly looking forward to it. These days I just don’t seem to care one way or the other.

Well, AFdC wasn’t covering himself in glory against either Mclaren development driver, in fact they apparently tried to poach Stoffel Vandoorne from Mclaren. Kvyat was also looking very competitive against Carlos Sainz Jr as teammates.

This Kid porbably has two things going for him regarding getting a seat.
1. Russian money.
2. He looks like he weighs about 15 kgs, so that makes him a prospect.

A bit of skill and no body weight = F1 drive. Sad what its coming too

I bet that south African Kid…Kevin van Der Linde will smash him in the same kar (even though Kevin is 17 and in Scirocco Cup). That guy is a talent to watch.
He just needs to descide…single seaters or GT’s.

Won the Championship in his rookie season.
Those are the type of talent that needs to come to the sport. Last time that happened…Hamilton and Vettel…Maybe Romain G…after that…only money and average drivers…Sad

marko stated, that gp2 racers have to less time in the car. 2 short traings, 2 races .. even in F3 (especially WsR) you have 3 races and often long training sessions.
so he often goes for WsR/F3 drivers

So with Luiz Razia suggesting that the Toro Rosso seat was up for sale and rumours of Russian backers pushing hard for Kvyat, we’re supposed to believe that he’s jumped from 3rd in line behind AFDC and Sainz into the seat?!

By being in contention for the GP3 title he might be the only Red Bull junior that did what was tasked of him this year. But he wasn’t competing as high a level as Felix da Costa, nor was he as impressive in the young driver test as AFDC and, in particular, Sainz.

Where is the figures? But if true then thats a good point, but still this drive is still a joke, Sainz jr would destroy this.. well whoever it is GP3??? a 80 year old great grandmother can drive those underpowered cars not an achievement.

I am sure I read somewhere, there is a special clause which allows drivers who lack experience , but have extremely wealthy backers, to get their license. If such a clause does not exist – then it soon will.

If Sirotkin can get one, I’m sure Kyvat can. The real question is, what happens to them if their first year is less than stellar ? Another big talent lost to the sport before it even started (see Alguersuari).

Not yet, but I’m sure Red Bull will make sure he has before the start of next season. I think he might qualify for one outright if he manages to win GP3, though. I can’t remember if Bottas got one after 2011, or if he had to build his test mileage up first.

The only time I can think of a super licence really being fudged in recent years was when Sauber decided to run Kimi Raikkonen. With a mere 23 races in Formula Ford and Formula Renault 2000, he was seriously lacking in experience and didn’t meet the criteria in any way. That turned out just fine and we should remember that before assuming Kvyat isn’t ready.

Toro Rosso are obviously not so impressed with Felix da Costa and Sainz Jr. They even went to Stoffel Vandoorne last month (according to him), but he denied the seat because he has got *some* promises from McLaren. Big mistake if you ask me, but we’ll see.

Utter rubbish. To all who haven’t even heard of DK. The guy has been a revelation in GP3 this season. I watched him at Monza a couple of months back and he made Sainz Jnr look very average. Destroyed the field in the first race and carved his way through the field in his race 2.

I’ve been keeping tabs on him since then and he has looked very impressive. This may be a shock decision for most but not for me. Da Costa is unfortunate but I think he’ll replace JEV in 2015 after DK shows him a clean pair of heels.

No doubt he is bringing money, and equally no doubt this is a risk for Toro Rosso given his inexperience, but I think this situation is very similar to how a once unknown Iceman made his way into a Sauber seat. And now look at him.

Agreed, watched him at Monza this year, and yes, he’s having a good year while eg FdC is not, and it is entirely logical that RBR judge him as a going concern as better than anyone else of the current crop of youngsters. They know better than anyone else, took him to Silverstone test and that was enough. I see no sinister infleunce of a roma abramovich or vlad putin himself. DK lives in the UK and Italy, speaks Italian and English, and is a humble and decent young man. Ticks all the boxes, and gets a chance. Kudos to him and to RBR for another yet shrewd (imho) move. As for money, I think he was chosen on merit alone, RBR have enough cash for it, while a further prospect of the Russian market and sponsors may indeed come into consideration sometime sooner than later. He is not Sirotkin, in other words.

A combination of factors, his mistakes occasionally, then a team error, a technical gremlin there then. But his progress is evident, and with two entirely different tyres/disciplines. RBR must know better having taken care of him for so long, and tested him. We may disagree with their choice, but to say that he is a pay driver is utter rubbish as someone put it.

To be clear, I neither agree nor disagree with the teams choice. I am certainly not an expert in that field, and do not have as much information as the team. So I accept their better judgement.
However the thing that always puzzles me (slightly) is when one driver, who came second or even third in the championship, is chosen ahead of the one who actually won the contest. I confess, that is when the cynic in me, starts to see other factors at work, sponsorship (either direct or indirect)and influence by powerful friends. All my suspicions may be completely unfounded but you can’t blame me for having them

Tim, you say you are confused as to why he got the drive when he isn’t even winning the GP3 championship….. Let me put it this way, Alonso didnt win the championship last year, or the 5 years previous to that in fact, and yet for most teams, there is no better driver out there.

And btw, he is only 7pts behind, he can still win GP3. His talent and raw speed alone has led Toro Rosso to this decision.

@Rayz
At the risk of perpetuating this, somewhat, pointless debate – the deal is sealed and we can talk all we want and nothing will change – I feel obligated to point out that you are contradicting yourself. In your first post you say ‘No doubt he is bringing money’ and in your second, ‘His talent and raw speed alone has led Toro Rosso to this decision’.
Personally, for what my opinion is worth, I suspect it is a combination of both. We will see in due course whether TR have made the correct choice.
Incidentally, Alonso (although extremely well regarded in the pit lane)brings a huge amount of sponsorship with him from Santander. If you really think that doesn’t have some influence for a team when deciding on their driver line up, then I suggest you think again

i only said no doubt h is bringing money because there isnt a driver on the grid that doesnt. The top drivers bring money in the form of sponsorships such as Santander following Alonso. My point originally was that he is not simply just a pay driver… as you would have seen from the “money talks” comment which annoyed me.

How can the Scuderia Torro Rosso hire a young driver without experience like Daniil Kvyat for the next season with a lot of technical changes coming on the cars ? I don’t understand this decision ! There are a lot of F1 drivers more experienced than him on the market no ?

Yes I know with Vettel is the same too. But if that works one or two times then it’s not an obvious rule. It’s only an exception and the danger is high for the team with an inexperienced driver. But I haven’t all datas and my judgement might be wrong !

Who else would they pick? Red bull pays big money to have a driver development program, they have toro rosso for the same reason. They should use that team to develop the driver with the most potential. Kyvat might be the best out of the three at technical understanding, which by what Tost has said that seems to be part of his appeal.

He was runner up formula Renault not champion. Seems a bizzare choice instead of giving Sainz or DaCosta a shot against Vergne who himself can’t be in with much chance of keeping his seat beyond end of next season. If this kid is such a talent then a year in GP2 wouldn’t hurt.

That was my first thought – they hired Vettel’s brother, not just in this picture, in many others. And I think he even has Vettel’s hair cut at similar age. What stood out most to me was the similar vibe. They said he gave impressive technical feedback. Will see. I was quite excited to see JA come on board only to see him fade into obscurity. What a tuff sport. We all can use some new excitement here, even as a Vettel fan – my nails are growing long due to lack of biting moments

A surprise move but apparently Kvyat is a real talent so wish him well. But has he been promoted too soon?

Forgive me for reviving a relative dinosaur from the Red Bull Young Driver Programme but when I thought about the second seat a few weeks back I wondered if it was worth bringing Sebastien Buemi in from the race seat cold. Him and Jaime Alguersuari were evenly matched at Toro Rosso (Jaime got better results in 2011 yes, but Buemi got the bad reliability) and now he’s been part of the all-conquering Red Bull unit for the last two seasons as a test driver. With 2014 so important in terms of having experience and a safe pair of hands behind the wheel, I thought, how about a return to Toro Rosso on a one-year deal. Meanwhile, with in-season testing en vogue once again, how about Antonio Felix da Costa (who has had a mixed year in F.Renault 3.5) as the Red Bull tester and Carlos Sainz Jr as the Toro Rosso tester (or Kvyat for that matter) so that they can gain F1 experience before getting a race seat opportunity in 2015 (regarding James’s example of Bottas at Williams, he did precisely this even without in-season testing!)??

To be fair, deep down I probably always knew that passing up young blood in favour of a consistent-but-unexciting ex-Toro Rosso man was always unlikely and, looking objectively, I think da Costa has the strongest reason to be upset by this news. However, someone has to be remember the forgotten man of the F1 jigsaw and I remember liking Buemi as far back as A1GP 2006/07 and the 2007 F3 Euroseries season so I thought it might as well be me!

No, its now clear…. they’ve moved on from Sebastians and now is the year of Daniels, and from past form these things run in threes, so if there are any other Daniels lurking in the lower formulae expect them to usurp JEV within the year. Oh, and as far as that other Seb goes, best watch your back,son!!!

Haha good spot. I can picture it now: Helmut Marko insisting on the drivers bringing birth certificates with them when they sign the contract. Special dispensation to be given to drivers who change names provided they have the necessary documentation!

I think there are two main reasons why Webber stayed at RBR for so long.

First, he had the support of DM.

Second, he helped build up the team to what they are today.

Basically there was a lot of loyalty involved.

I think for the immediate future the second driver is going to be much more expendable, especially considering that every year or two RBR will have Toro Rosso spitting out new contenders like a Pez dispenser.

If Ricciardo disappoints it’ll be Vergne, and then if Vergne disappoints it’ll be this guy Kvyat, and so on…

I am very disapointed that we will not see Da Costa on the grid next season and likely never will unless he leaves the RB proggrame.

Da Costa, Magnussen, Vandoorne and Frijns all look good enough to join Bianchi as the next bunch of F1 stars. Too many good young drivers are currently being kept out of F1 (add Wickens to that list) and it will come back to hurt the sport in five years time.

There are too many dead weights on the grid (Di Resta and Sutil instantly spring to mind)who have had their chance and will never win a Grand Prix never mind a world championship and should be moved on.

If it is true that Marussia are going to go with Bianchi and Magnussen next season then that is the team I will be suppourting in 2014.

If you’ve never heard of em, make sure you take a deeper look, specifically regarding current season. And compare it to Antonio or Sainz Jr.
Key words not needed, even though I’m Russian and I don’t support the idea of bringing Sirotkin in f1. Don’t be jelous.

That’s an outsider’s look at what happened, and somewhat ignorant I’d say. Many Russian sponsors may well queue and knock on RBR’s office door in order to buy a space on DK’s car, but that will only happen if he is good enough. Mind you, I am not even sure if those spaces will be bought by RU companies – not that much to advertise coming from Russia, no? Take it to the bank – he is no pay driver.

Hi James, I’m not sure if any of you guys are aware, but there’s a petition concerning Sean Edwards who tragically lost his life recently. Those of you who follow the F1 circus closely will no doubt know of his dominance in the Porsche Supercup, and agree with myself and thousands of others that were he still alive he would be able to wrap up the championship with a 5th place finish at either of the final 2 rounds at the final race at Abu Dhabi (bearing in mind his worst place finish all season has been 5th). This is a petition to attempt to persuade Porsche to make the final race a non-points scoring memorial race. Please sign it, or if you’re reading this James please share it and let all your other readers know about it… http://www.change.org/petitions/porsche-motorsport-make-the-final-race-of-the-2013-supercup-season-a-non-points-race

A surprise? Only because his name hasn’t been plastered all over the media in the way Sainz Jr and de Costa have been. What is Red Bull’s (the drinks product) footprint in Russia? Call me an old cynic but wouldn’t this be a better marketing option to have a Russian sporting star onboard to develop the market with the added good fortune of the first Russian GP focussing a lot of media attention rather than promoting sportsmen from already mature markets?

At least he has some jnr pedigree and proven ability. He seems fast over a lap and capable of winning races in parity jnr formulae. Being in F1 with STR will polish up his races ala Ricciardo. But the native speed is present. So from that perspective IDGAF if he got in with Russian money or not.

This is F1, it ain’t always fair, sorry Felix, but the kid has speed, money and is from a nation F1 needs. Schumacher was the same. He actually wasn’t the prodigy in jnr’s, though was if course good, but F1 needed to tap Germany and Mercedes backed him too. Ces’t la vie.

The bigger issue I have is with Sirotkin. He is in with Russian money as well, but unlike Kvyat he has no proven capacity to win in any jnr parity based formulae or even show a turn of pure pace. It’s quite a worry because it seems this boy is in based purely on his passport. That’s not the case with Kvyat.

It’s not only Sirotkin’s passport. He actually is the son of the General Director of one of the Russian investors in Sauber. It will be interesting to see what Sauber does, if Sirotkin does not perform. If he doesn’t get to drive, you can be sure there will be no more money coming. (That’s if there will be money coming at all)

That is funny. So true, how they found so many Sebs was beyond me. Now it’s Dan’s turn. Vettel was the 2nd Seb. And DK is the 2nd Dan, looking like VET’s brother from Russia. I hope he will create the kind of drive VET brought in 2007 & 2008!

James, any comments about other possible signing – there are quite a lot of rumours of Honda badly needing Alonso in McLaren. Some say it’s already a done deal for 2015 – Brawn, Alonso & Magnussen in McLaren Honda.

Some people are quick to jump to financial conclusions. On the basis of Kyvat’s results, this guy doesn’t seem anything like Sauber’s Sirotkin. His results are strong, especially in F3.

His technical feedback to Toro Rosso during the Young Drivers Test last July is also a good indicator. Good results in different championships with different tyres, can certainly not be a bad thing as the sport looks to at its most protective over its tyres as it’s ever been.

Could it turn out to be too much, soon for him next year? Of course it could. But right now, this guy seems exciting. Have to feel bad for da Costa though. Hopefully he can recover from such a decision and perhaps be in F1 in 2015.

As the story says, he’s the young driver the older ones in Red Bull programme really rate, as we said a few months ago. All the noise was about da Costa and Sainz, but Kvyat had serious support internally

I don’t see what the new regs have to do with anything. Kyvat is at no more of a disadvantage with them than is Da Costa, or Alonso. Nor is he that young, he’ll be older than Alonso was when he started driving in F1.

Do you mean internal support from Horner and Webber?…i mean coming from the MW Arden squad as well, currently second in GP3 in their team. i would say that they have great info on him and rate him very high over the last season?

The way I see it, they are only interested in spectacularly good drivers and they think they’ve seen that in Kvyat, maybe they have.
JEV and Riciardo are just being used, JEV as a baseline and Riciardo as a points scorer/wing man to Vettel and then maybe to the next no: 1 in the team.
I don’t think either of them will ever sit at the top RB table

Whatever happened to actually being a man first before getting to F1? This kid is way to young and the difference between GP3 and F1 is huge. Unless he’s a serious talent on the level of Hamilton or Raikkonen, his career will be over before it begins.

Last I checked, Vettel did “OK” compared to HAM and RAI, his pre-F1 record was splatter with defeat from Hamilton and Di Resta alike, and he was 19 when scored his first championship point. Actually, he just started to look like a man this year.

I know, there are still people who believe that the 4-time consecutive WDC elect has no serious talent. But those people need to have their brains checked.

To be honest, I don’t care what the driver is like – young, old, white, black, green, blue, red, male, female, earthy, alien, rich, poor, sunny, shady, as long as he/she is fast and the engineers can fit him/her in under the rules, it’s good.

Toro Rosso manage to retain their reputation as the team to make radical driver line up decisions!

Based on the twitter feed of Felix da Costa is seems as if he expected the announcement to be coming his way as little as an hour before the news.

In the spirit of the bizarre silly season, and somewhat prompted by the provocative tweets coming from Fernando Alonso in recent days. Is it possible a deal is being put together for Vettel to move to Ferrari in 2014? Kvyat’s announcement is a prelude to bigger announcements once the 2013 championship is sealed.

I´ve read in a post that James Allen made that in the end Formula 1 is all about the money.
I love this sport since a child, and I refused to think that. Today I firmly agree on that.

PERES, GUTIERRES, SIROTKIN

VS

PARENTE, FRINJS, VICKENS

Could someone analyses all the glitches that Felix da Costa had this year in his car (RB car), and there would be so many answers.
There´s so much money involved that all the sport is becoming vicious. It´s aal about the money.

Who is this guy? I hope he doesn’t get the Jaime treatment end of next year.

One driver I really would like to see in F1 sooner than later is Red Bull junior Beitske Visser. She is a fantastic driver and has massive potential. She has done much better than her male colleagues. She has even beaten Ralf Schumacher in karting.

Hi James – have you heard opinions on da Costa’s technical ability? Interesting that Red Bull/Toro Rosso pointed out Kvyat’s good feedback after tests, and then if you consider that da Costa has struggled this year in WSR often saying he can’t find the right balance with the car. Perhaps this was a key issue in the decision making?

So DK has wiped the floor with his teammate and smashed AFdC. Compared to Sainz, DK has two wins to none, twice the podiums, and more than double the points. Seems like a no-brainer….unless I’m missing something…..which i probably am

James It’s very interesting that teams perhaps don’t seem as focused on GP2 as the benchmark for new signing -is the frenetic driving we’ve seen early on in the careers of Maldonado and Grosjean weighing heavily on teams minds? Really surprised by Red Bull not signing Sainz Jnr- his times were stronger than anyone and immediately on it.

In the scheme of teams like a Torro Rosso, it’s not such a bad thing to have a rookie- because with the 2014 rules reset- a good young gun can upset the established order if he has the reflexes / sharpeness to handle additional ERS usage and a very different handling car to this year. There is less development pressure than a bigger team too.

As for JEV – I think there was very little between him an Dan and he was really unlucky to miss out- why will Red Bull do if he shines brighter than Ricciardo — that’s more the question to my mind.

I think GP2 has been quite the racket for Bernie & friends. All control parts sold at great expense to the teams by FOM affiliates. The result is that nearly all drivers are pay drivers in the traditional sense, not development drivers. The top team’s development programmes prefer FR3.5 as there is more track time, as well as less expense.

Kvyat has certainly caught the eye, but I wasn’t expecting him to get any further than a young guns test for another couple of years. Sainz or da Costa would’ve been slightly safer choices, but I don’t think either of them would’ve had an easy time so in a sense perhaps Red Bull are right to back the horse they truly believe in.

Both this decision and Kvyat put me in mind of Kimi Raikkonen’s rapid ascent to F1. For sure, he won’t have an easy year, but his talent may well shine through.

This guy has nothing to do with the people’s stereotype for him being Russian. He might have been from any other country, right? He is making his own luck and as long as he ‘s got the second seat the RB top guys see him be more talented than those 2, that’s how it is.

You really missed the mark. He is very talented, comes off as very professional and smart, and is beating Sainz jr to a pulp in GP3. Both Sainz and Da Costa have not been as promising this season as last season. Out of those three, they made the best decision IMO, Kyvat has potental which makes the skip from GP3 to F1 worth the risk.
Yes he was off the pace at the YDT but like you said he only had 16 laps, which makes his effort impressive and your point useless. Plus he has impressed in other ways, technical understanding being key. I really think his being Russian has little to do with it, he has been part of red bull since 2010. They know him, and toro rosso made their decision based on that. You don’t know him so your basing your info on that…
With all the complaints, mine included, about pay drivers and talent not getting into F1 it’s sad that a great young driver with real potental has been mislabeled.

This guy is a total unknown, and is massively unproven – how he’s had a chance to demonstrate his ‘talent’ is a mystery to me. Can’t help but think of Perry McCarthy’s excellent book about the struggles of a real proven talent to make it to F1.

On the subject feeder series, Interestingly, Ferrari are considering combining DTM with either GP2 or FR3.5 for Raffaele Marciello, their top prospect of the moment in their development program. According to Luca Baldisserri:

“GP2, because it’s the same tracks as Formula 1 and the same tyres, so he can get used to the Pirelli behaviour.”

“World Series by Renault, which is a very good package, a lot of downforce, really good tyres with a lot of grip in the corners and a good championship.”

“And then I think there’s DTM as well. In terms of professional qualities of the teams, it’s the closest to Formula 1. And for a young driver, having the possibility to have some rhythm with a really organised and professional team is important.”

Magny Cours 2007 : Alonso’s pass on Heidfelt almost made me fall off my seat, that’s an overtaking manoeuvre! Or Kimi on Fisi Suzuka 2005! Work of art! Like an amazing goal. Montoya on Schumi in Brazil. I prefer to watch a race with only one trully special overtake than 20 meaningless moves.

Why is everybody making a problem of this Russian lad? I don’t like Russia, the Russian gouverment is one big bag of lies yes I know that, but what does tis lad has to do with that? Throw him into the car and then we should judge.