I get a kick out of people telling me which way Lake Tahoe water flows... lolz for sure. As if natural drainage networks mean anything for future water distribution in CA. But can any of you tell me which way the money flows? Hint, lots of federal land being sold to private developers down around Vegas. Lots of money from those sales being pumped into scientific research to keep Tahoe blue. I'm sure when Vegas gets desperate for water they will make us an offer we can't refuse... and if there was any connection to Vegas.

I'm glad TRPA exists. I can't imagine what a shithole this place would have become if development went unchecked since its formation in 1969. I wonder what the cultural and political scene around the Lake was like back then.

Well wes,, the T R P A back then said we were full of it when we told them their stands were at the zone of immanent mortality. We gave them all the proof in the world, and they rejected us and the plans we had already done in region four. And with great success. They said those stands were "natural" and would stay that way. - Thats their words bub. Heard em myself in the mid 80s again..When again they rejected our strong suggestions- and the beetles were already hard at work. And since all you type of people have moved in every where around Tahoe,, let burn policies can HARDLY be the norm. Its peoples homes and lives at stake now. And Wes, consider that YOUR part of THAT problem.

but back to lake Tahoe fishing heres a TYPICAL report from a fishing site:

Tahoe Keys Lagoon Fly Fishing
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Enjoy superb fishing on America's largest alpine lake with salmon (kokanee), rainbow trout, mackinaw (lake trout), brown trout , brook trout and cut throats.
Tahoe Keys lagoons are filled with bass, crappie, trout and even enormous goldfish. Fishing from a small boat or from a private dock gives you the chance of catching a Keys Grand Slam (rainbow, brown, crappie, large mouth and bluegill).

March, April, and May seem to be the best months especially during the evening with a light to moderate breeze. With a breeze creating cover, the fish move around more and appear to be safe from osprey, chasing minnows and crayfish. Mornings are good as well if there is a breeze or cloud cover.

Good flies for trout are wooly bugger and lake chub with a full sinking line. A crawdad pattern also works well from time to time. To catch bass, a surface popper is best once the water warms up. At any other time, a good size streamer will work wonders stripped fast along the docks.

Crappie go after brightly colored bead-headed wooly buggers with a full sinking line. The back sloughs tend to be best for the crappie and bluegill. The bass seem to be spread out all over the Keys with quite a few of them near the Marina. And don't be surprised if you hook a catfish as well.

Kids can catch quite a bit from the docks. Best to use an indicator and a small nymph. Have them cast out and then slowly retrieve the indicator and fly keeping slight movement at all times. When the indicator goes down, set the hook and bring it in!

OMG, you are so insightful. I never realized I was part of the problem. My oh my, what ever will I do now?

The only logical solution seems to be stop studying the natural processes of the place, revert back to that groundbreaking used tire based restoration standards of the 70s, and let the Bay area folks just enjoy their weekend vacation spots in peace.

I'm so glad you people figured out everything that needed to be figured out decades ago. If only the dumb scientists would have just taken your word for it.

As soon as I learn Spanish I will move down to Carson. Thanks Ron.

(Yes, TRPA is a pain in the ass. So are taxes, stop signs, and all those other pesky rools we have to live by. It just isn't fair! I'd rather have a lake full of algae and motor oil than have to deal with their crap!)

even NDOW knows all about the keys Brandon.. Have for decades now. I really dont understand any of it,, but its hardly news. But it seems ,, in this case,, the "researchers" should have just asked the fisherman whats up with the lake. They "discovered" nothing new..Any goldfish lucky enough to spawn shall see their bright orange gold progeny eaten as fast as you could blink. Especially in Tahoe waters. Thats fisherman knowledge though.. Bay area folks used to often bring up feeder goldies for bait. They would dump any unused at the end of those trips. Thats ol fisherman knowledge too. The fortunate ones make it to a larger size. But they are still far and few between when considering the overall surface acre feet of the lake.

The KEYS has always been a special fishing spot. I was catching bass there in 1976 when i knew someone that lived there- had a nice dock and we would suck suds and catch fish. Those fish are excellent in taste- and as beautiful as any of their species. None of this was ever a secret either, as the keys was almost as popular as the main lake at times.

Ron, man the fuk up and email that cute little researcher. Ask HER why they are making the claims they are making. Maybe the news will interview you in a piece that exposes the cover up... Goldfish Gate. You can tell them how you know everything about everything from timber management to aquatic ecology and you learned it all using your species identifying fish finder.

Or... you can just sit there and act like you already know everything and everyone else is a dipsh#t... it works for me.

The KEYS has always been a special fishing spot.

No it hasn't. It didn't even exit until the 60s. Half a century is nowhere near ALWAYS.

Invasive fish, such as the goldfish, are gathered and removed from the water. Ngai said the program will look to filet invasive fish and donate them to local food banks.

And Maybe i WILL e mail channel 8 and give em a fishing report or two from the past lmao! Ask them if they ever actually research anything?

Wes,, you tell those youngster braniacs to just pick out the oldest curmudgeonest looking guy at the doc in the early am,, and have a chat with HIM to find out shyt.. It will save tax payers countless hours of "research"...

pffffff..But then these book smart youth have an ability to ignore the obvious- especially when considering resources. I worked with MANY such youngsters in the USFS.. And it appears, "aint nuthin changed"...

Did Ngai claim she "discovered" anything? Or did the news? Are you passing judgement on a researcher you have never met based on her research you will never read? Then applying that to every other researcher out there? Sounds kinda hedgey to me.

Face it, if you knew half the sh#t you claim to know you would be making a positive contribution to the world. Instead you are stuffing dead things and blaming all the worlds problems on whatever source you disagree with.

A group of researchers from Davis, the University of Nevada at Reno, and the fish and wildlife departments of both California and Nevada were the first to study the presence of goldfish in Lake Tahoe, beginning an annual survey in 2006.

They knew they were there before the study, otherwise they would not have developed a study to look at the impacts. Do you already know what impacts they have on the native fish, algae, water quality, etc? If so, contact her... I'm sure she could find some money in her budget for useful information.

Ive MADE my contributions wes,, and then some. And i still do. How ever,, YES there are all manner of GOLDFISH DISCOVERED titles in the news, which suggests the discovery of said bait. The news is wrong again,, shocking,, i know..

Wes, did you know bluegill, crappie and bass and catfish ALL eat algae?

Depends where your at. I was in line at the gun show with 10,000 other folks about half had assualt weapons with them to sell. Peaceful as could be, that line of folks..

edit: Wilbeer,, Yes i know,, brookies were planted, in jugs in backpacks,, from planes and more. A lot of those went in waters vacant of other fish.
Kirman being one of those. It had shrimp, then the brookies were added and a viable trophy fishery born.

But to try and blame anything on a few wandering goldfish or bass in Tahoe other than the keys is hilarious. And the keys was a great fishery of its own. Too bad they have to mess with it. Many an youngster was introduced to catching a nice large mouth there. There are six other strains of very predatory fish in tahoe in abundance.