“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)---"-grey- would hardclaim an inno on his obv-scum partner D2 in a micro if he could" - gigabyteTroubadour"You type like a Bond villain." - DogWatch

doesnt answer it no, but did at least put forth the effort to look like he had at a glance.

and its interesting, i said -- not indicative of anything in particular. its possibly (especially considering how much pressure gets put on lurkslots this game) even a worse move for scum than for town. interesting but NAI (this time where A stands for anything). id still like to hear why its the case

In post 880, cassielle wrote:1 cleared my original concerns, yes. there are new ones,and some old ones, and my concerns arguably should have been addressed better by you originally.

2 did you see 876? it's a very good read. from the time i entered the game this has been a concern and it keeps going that way. you keep dodging scrutiny. may or may not be related, but lets live on the edge and just flatly claim that it is, unsupported by evidence.

3 and you sure are hyperdefensive. vote for you = scum instantly? why? why is scumreading you scummy? and where is your scumhunting behavior? scumhunting is natural to town even if it gets pointed the wrong way once in awhile

4 why is your vote the same exact vote as post #7? why has that not moved? its safe to say the wagon has stalled, in fact, on multiple separate occasions. do you really believe in that vote that much? do you truly have that much conviction in it? where do you get that conviction from a 23 post ISO which is devoid of content?

5 why is this second readslist substantially identical to the first aside from "gbT went inactive" "shade is uh something lets call it nulltown" "i actually have an opinion on cass and its mostly because she voted me and tries to aggressively scumhunt"? why would gbT taking a day or two off (because thats all its been, really) instantly drop them to null? why does it seem like you cant form an actual opinion on shade and so you just throw that slot in nulltown? indeed, from your description, why not just null? why are all your reads weak and without conviction?

6 how the hell are 801 and 838 unanswerable or rhetorical? mbg managed to answer 838, which is the exact opposite of that, and -grey- has pursued and asked followup questions to all of your examples. er, except 801. because, well, you havent even tried to answer it to begin with, just thrown your hands up and said "impossible! must be rhetorical." why dont you want to answer?

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1. cool

2. uh, i don't have especially a lot of townreads. creature has a thing, gbt i think is unreadable rn, as i said (i could lynch them on a different day, feel free to hold me to this), rask claimed. outside of them you see a kinda nuanced list.

as far as dodging scrutiny, what in particular are you referring to? beating a dead horse but you do have a tendency to throw stuff at the wall and see what sticks, and there's a lot that i don't think is worth responding to/don't really understand. what do you think is your strongest criticism of me?

3. mm, not instantly. if you're talking about how i'm reading you, there's other stuff.

what counts as scumhunting? i point out what i don't like.

4. why should it have moved? a 23 post iso that is devoid of content sucks. i've continually wanted him to come back with votes on his head, he never has, and that makes me want to keep the vote there.

5. uh, the people are the same people, still. except for the two that switched out, who are, granted, in the same place but with different reasons. tb has provided no reason to change the read, creature isn't gonna move, rask claimed. so, now there are 6 spaces to switch around, and they kinda did. gbt is not in null because they took a day off, but how, as somebody (rask? but can't find it in his iso) pointed out, posting a lot isn't as impressive if you like playing scum.

as far as the last part, uh, that is where we play this game differently. you can't actually know who's scum day 1. i only played the one town game but i have read through a lot of other ones, and i've been wrong enough times that having "conviction" just sounds dumb.

6. elaborated on why 801 is bad in 894. he's asking me to explain something that he is reading in me

In post 878, schadd_ wrote:grey is definitely angry, which i think you get good at feigning if you play F2F, but who knows. pointing things out before reading all the way is kinda towny, but i would think he knows that. there's a lot of rhetorical/unanswerable questions which gives me a yucky impression (see 534, 609, 801, 838). it's kinda hard for me to divorce scum from mean and abrasive, so this is more difficult.

Those questions are neither rhetorical nor unanswerable. They are pointed. They put the recipient on the spot for a reason.

mm. the one that stuck out to me was, perhaps intuitively, the one that you asked me. 801, "schadd_, why does your ISO read like coasting scum?" and obviously, i mean, i don't really see it, because i'm town. me being able to answer this pulls counter to the sentiment of 842 (though this may have been a rhetorical question, heh). so, it feels like you're just fishing for me to not be able to answer your question.

I'm fishing for you to justify your play, which you aren't even trying to do.

Attempting to redirect my question as a reason to scumread me isn't going to make me go away.

i don't really want you to go away.

do you see the issue, though? the way that i naturally approach this game reads badly to you. i don't really know what about me reads like coasting scum. my skill in mafia is making connections between things people say, building/remembering characters, and uh math on occasion. prodding at people and arguing, not so much. my habit is to wait for people to argue things out and then find what's fishy. maybe that ends up sounding like actilurking or something, i don't know. adding on, you said it yourself, D1 is dumb, things will make more sense to me later on.

In post 880, cassielle wrote:why does it seem like you cant form an actual opinion on shade and so you just throw that slot in nulltown? indeed, from your description, why not just null?

forgot this

...because i feel slightly town on shade, all things considered? it's ultimately kinda gut, as most reads are, but he did a reasonable swath of town stuff (pointing out some inconsistencies, having some opinions) and asked questions about scum motivation, and there was increasing reason to believe that he wasn't feigning it.