Wow. The only women who fall for this crap are covered by rule #1; "Don't go to bed with someone who has more problems than you do."

Seriously, this is from some sort of "players' handbook", and guarantees that you'll spend all your time in the company of 'daddy issues' girls. I would rather stick a spoon in my eye than get involved with a needy, clingy, insecure woman who would fall for that nonsense.

Fark you.Fark you sideways.With a rutabaga.Yeah, because the most attractive thing is to hear how a guy could whip your ass if he wanted. Might as well wear an A-Shirt, too.I'm running out of ways to say Fark You, here.Great advice if you're looking for a beard.What a goddamn douchebag.You're right. I enjoy the company of men.You're gay. Which is fine - so am I.Dream on, Studman.

At first, I was like 'this guy's from Boston, everyone from Boston's an arsehole.'

And then I remembered that I have a pudgy ginger friend who's from Boston and has plenty of success with women and is currently dating a very attractive, nice, millionaire.

Generally speaking, though, a few of these are fine.

Number 4 (challenge her to something silly) and Number 10 (accusing her of hitting on you) are fine.

Whatever.

I was having a heart to heart with my roommate. He was all 'Brett, why don't we have girlfriends?' And I was all 'when was the last time you asked a girl out?' and he hadn't done it. Within a few months, we both had girlfriends after being like 'oh, we should ask a girl out if we like her.'

The main thing about PUA and all that crap is that it forces you to actually ask girls out. So, yes, going from not asking girls out to asking them out is going to increase your success.

Talk to girls and be someone they like to be around (which depends on what kind of girl they are). Don't be creepy. At some point ask them out on a date. It's as simple as that.

Wow, I don't even know where to begin. This kind of shallow, trite "advice" sounds like it's straight out of a high school locker room.

What ever happened to treating women (whether you're interested in them romantically or not) like human beings? There's no friggin' formula for romance. It boils down to whether or not you actually give a crap.

Mean-spirited, but I hope the article writer is incapable of reproduction.

thespindrifter:ciberido: thespindrifter: Ah, the treasured "Neg'"... seems to work perfectly on all the non-lesbo feminazis with low self esteem, but exponentially so if you are 1) rich, 2) built like Dwayne Johnson, 3) all of the above.

There's an xkcd for every Fark thread.

Too bad the percentage of women who could actually be smart enough to pull that off is so substantially small that it pretty much never happens in real life. That cartoon right there is nothing more than a Joss Wheadon "Ass kicking hot chick" absurdist fantasy.

If that were even remotely real, the club and bar 'scene' would disappear overnight. The reason why abusive assholes continue to exist is because women love it. Betas finish last, and Alphas win by basically using this exact ploy.

The real trick is to find the middle ground between being a sucker of a nice guy or turning into a tool. It's a rare skill.

OR...

There is no "real trick" and women are human beings and shouldn't be treated like stupid LARP versions of cheesy hentai video games.

bingethinker:Man, the internet is so binary, so 0 and 1, so wonderful/horrible. Some gentle teasing or a funny remark that's not sexist or offensive is not the same thing as "negging". Show some humor, some personality, something to set you apart from that group of losers sitting there staring at her like she's a piece of meat.

People with personality don't pick up women in bars. They go out and live successful lives and probably already landed the girlfriends and wife they wanted by the end of college. People with personality don't go trolling; they sit back and let the good things come to them after proving they are the peak of desirability in other ways. The bar crowd is pretty much just assholes, wannabe Betas who don't know any better, and drunks.

Whether that line of BS works or not, the guy still has to live with being a douchebag his entire life, and the best girl he will ever be with is one stupid enough to sleep with a douchebag.

In my experience, certain types of girls actually are attracted to douchebags, but I don't want to be a douchebag, and I don't want to attract those types of girls. They are stupid and have no self-esteem. At best they are needy, energy-draining emotional black holes who deserve pity, but guys I know who were "successful" with such tactics have ended up with stalkers, attacked with scissors, had their possessions thrown out of windows, etc.

I don't think it's possible for this advice to be any worse.I got divorced a few years ago and I'm glad I'm engaged now because that first year of dating was awful.

My biggest pet peeves were: - men who think date = sex/ booty call - men who have no plan for a date when they pick you up and ask, "Uh, so what do you wanna do?" Seriously? I just spent two hours on clothes, hair and makeup and you have no effing plan? I'm going back in the house because if you were too dumb to plan, you're not worth my time and if you think we're going back to your house, uh, no - men who bring up sex to soon -first date is too soon, just fyi (see the first two points) - men who end every single text with a compliment (hello beautiful, what you up to sexy? how was your day my queen) seriously that is effing overkill - men who call and text every single minute of the day. And if you don't text back the second they text you, they get an attitude. Uh, I have a job. I cannot spend every second texting you. Get a life. - men who cannot take a goddamned hint - if she says you brought up sex too soon, or you compliment her too much or asks you to slow down with the calling and texting- that means she's still kind of into you and if you stop being so damned over-eager, then you have a pretty good shot of continued dating and probably getting laid.

But if a woman hints that you're going overboard doing one of these things, take it as a helpful hint. Don't get a butthurt sucka attack and tell her why she should be grateful or appreciative of a man who is "willing" to compliment her or be attentive.

*sigh*

So glad I found a guy who's just chill and knows when to tell me to stfu sometimes without hurting my feelings, usually with a good deep dicking. He's a keeper.

thespindrifter:Ah, the treasured "Neg'"... seems to work perfectly on all the non-lesbo feminazis with low self esteem, but exponentially so if you are 1) rich, 2) built like Dwayne Johnson, 3) all of the above.

Very interesting, a fark wizard thread. Those 10 playful tips? Those are from a goddamned High Wizard, maybe Gandalf himself. How about you treat a woman like a genuine person and interact with her as an individual, not a mass of neuroses to exploit? Of course, if you're into low hanging psychologically damaged fruit (and hey, if anything this asshole says sounds like a good ideal to you, then you are), then by all means, this is the guru for you.

These things may work with women who have some serious issues, and if those are the wimminfolk you want to be with, then please, go for it. Damaged women need love too, I suppose, but then again, this isn't advice for love, it's advice for attracting emotional cripples to your schlong, which indicates a certain amount of damage to your own self, so maybe two damaged folks might be able to come together to become one nearly whole being, but it's not exactly the way to bet. But if that's your cup of tea, who am I to discourage you?

The women in your life? They might discourage you, but that might be reason for looking for an article like this. The one truth that I've found in dating is all of your failed relationships of the past have one thing in common: you. Maybe work on that, and the rest will fall into place. Just a thought.

Of all the perspectives and attitudes I've had in life, the one that had the most women find attractive was the one where I was enjoying life, being my natural nerdy/physical/playful self, thoughtful, dirty, and genuinely interested in getting g to know the woman sitting across from me. If I could go back and tell myself something, it would be that EVERYBODY (not just women) finds a man who is cheerful and secure attractive.

I keep seeing this phrase floating in the comments, "women with baggage"... seems to me most of that baggage stems from asshole PUAs who want to demean them, use them, and then throw them away.

I can't fathom why anyone would put up with it... but what really confuses the hell out of me is why any guy would think it's sexy.

Genuine confidence is sexy... but genuine confidence wants to inspire confidence in everyone it touches. It isn't afraid of not being in the spotlight, or of someone who might be more or better or different. In that, it differs from arrogance, which is what PUAs seem to have in common.

Someone once told me that they fell for me the moment I stopped to remind them they were worth caring about.

Hyjamon:thespindrifter: ciberido: thespindrifter: Ah, the treasured "Neg'"... seems to work perfectly on all the non-lesbo feminazis with low self esteem, but exponentially so if you are 1) rich, 2) built like Dwayne Johnson, 3) all of the above.

There's an xkcd for every Fark thread.

Too bad the percentage of women who could actually be smart enough to pull that off is so substantially small that it pretty much never happens in real life. That cartoon right there is nothing more than a Joss Wheadon "Ass kicking hot chick" absurdist fantasy.

If that were even remotely real, the club and bar 'scene' would disappear overnight. The reason why abusive assholes continue to exist is because women love it. Betas finish last, and Alphas win by basically using this exact ploy.

The real trick is to find the middle ground between being a sucker of a nice guy or turning into a tool. It's a rare skill.

I recall a bit about this topic....Women say they hate pick-up lines, but they have all heard one they loved. I would bet half the women in here wouldn't be sitting next to your guy tonight if it weren't because of some lame pick-up line.

it is tough to talk to women (or anyone for that matter) with a cold open, so you have to start somewhere, hence the cheesy lame pick-up line opposed to asking about someones opinion on the reconstruction of Germany following the second world war.

If a male came up to me and asked me my opinion on the reconstruction of Germany after WWII as his cold open, I would grab him and drag him back to my place without further ado.

/to show him my impressive collection of European history books//if you know what I mean///no, really, I've got some pretty cool volumes

Most women who are at least somewhat attractive know that they have a certain power over a good portion of men. They have grown up getting what they want, free drinks, getting out of tickets, people to help them move, free help with homework, etc for years. They're used to it.

The key is to not be one of those guys who falls into that trap. They like a guy who is immune to the "you're hot, let me be your servant in hopes you'll fark me" attitude. Now sometimes that can indeed be with negging. Other times it can be with just being laid back, enjoying your own life and not being wrapped up in finding a girl.

That's the thing. This thread, and all the rest like it, always turns into people arguing that negging works, and people arguing that it doesn't and that being comfortable with yourself and not wrapped up in her is the real key.

You're both right. Because both are just different ways you're breaking out of the box hot chicks expect you to be in. Either way you're showing that you're not someone who is going to fall over yourself trying to please her and be the best doormat she can find. Whether that's be disarming her hotness and taking that tool away from her from the get go by negging, or by being that sure of yourself and happy with your own life that you don't really get wound up over if she's hot or not. Both work. And coincidentally, that's why douchebags and assholes seem to be so successful all the time. The chick isn't with him specifically because he's an asshole. But she is with him because he really believes he's the most awesome guy ever. It's the confidence/arrogance thing. Both are traits guys who believe in themselves have. It's confidence if it's tempered by reality and being a decent person. It's arrogance if it's unbound and causes you to look down on others. But most women can't tell the difference between the two. Again, it goes back to showing that you're not someone who is entranced by their charms. You can do that by being an arrogant asshole who just looks down on her, or by being a confident guy who loves his life and believes he's a great person to be around. Both work. That's why we end up with Fark arguments where both sides argue about what works from your own anecdotes and experiences. They both work.

W_Scarlet:Wow, I don't even know where to begin. This kind of shallow, trite "advice" sounds like it's straight out of a high school locker room.

What ever happened to treating women (whether you're interested in them romantically or not) like human beings? There's no friggin' formula for romance. It boils down to whether or not you actually give a crap.

Mean-spirited, but I hope the article writer is incapable of reproduction.

Romance?? This has nothing to do about romance. It's about wolves looking for tasty sheep. Romance never enters into the picture with this type.

8. Reverse psychology? For the record, when I said "no," it wasn't reverse psychology.

9. Please go away now.

10. I'm going to kick you in the junk, now, and it's not a display of affection.

Alternative for those who wish to maybe get laid: "Hi, I'm [insert name here]. Can I buy you a drink?" (Notice: ONE DRINK. While getting her sloshed might help some of you, it's generally not recommended, and you won't have spent a fortune on a dead end if she's not into you.) Follow with asking her name, where she's from, and about her interests and have a normal, non-awkward conversation before asking for her number. You're welcome, gentlemen.

Hermione_Granger:But if a woman hints that you're going overboard doing one of these things, take it as a helpful hint

Sorry, but bullshiat. Most of your post was ok, but that part is just nonsense. You can NEVER expect people to understand a message you didn't give them. If you want someone to know something, tell them. Be direct. Tell the truth. Use clear sentences and facts. Tell them what you're thinking. The "hints and signals" thing is a farked up game women play when they're too timid to tell someone what they're thinking, or don't want to feel bad about a confrontation. So they drop hints hoping the guy will somehow read their mind and just guess correctly what he thinks she wants him to do but didn't actually tell him. Then she pushes the blame onto the guy for not getting it, much like what you are doing now.

Want someone to understand something? Farking tell them. Stop the hints and signals bullshiat and use your words to convey and idea like an adult. If you can't do that, it's your fault when things get messed up, not the guy's.

Here's a pickup technique I've used before. I watch as a PUA type hits on a girl, if he falls flat on his face because his game is retarded, I go up the girl afterward and ask for details and make fun of him. If he gets the girl's number, I write her off.

Someone should probably tell this guy that negging doesn't actually work. Sure, sometimes you'll still get laid, but it's more an "in spite of" thing where the woman is also there looking to get laid and she knows she won't have to put up with your annoying habits for more than a couple hours.

It'll rarely if ever increase your chances, beyond just padding out the conversation a bit.

Man, the internet is so binary, so 0 and 1, so wonderful/horrible. Some gentle teasing or a funny remark that's not sexist or offensive is not the same thing as "negging". Show some humor, some personality, something to set you apart from that group of losers sitting there staring at her like she's a piece of meat.

ciberido:thespindrifter: Ah, the treasured "Neg'"... seems to work perfectly on all the non-lesbo feminazis with low self esteem, but exponentially so if you are 1) rich, 2) built like Dwayne Johnson, 3) all of the above.

There's an xkcd for every Fark thread.

Too bad the percentage of women who could actually be smart enough to pull that off is so substantially small that it pretty much never happens in real life. That cartoon right there is nothing more than a Joss Wheadon "Ass kicking hot chick" absurdist fantasy.

If that were even remotely real, the club and bar 'scene' would disappear overnight. The reason why abusive assholes continue to exist is because women love it. Betas finish last, and Alphas win by basically using this exact ploy.

The real trick is to find the middle ground between being a sucker of a nice guy or turning into a tool. It's a rare skill.

audiblesmile:thespindrifter: Jim_Callahan: Someone should probably tell this guy that negging doesn't actually work. Sure, sometimes you'll still get laid, but it's more an "in spite of" thing where the woman is also there looking to get laid and she knows she won't have to put up with your annoying habits for more than a couple hours.

It'll rarely if ever increase your chances, beyond just padding out the conversation a bit.

If negging doesn't work, then please explain to me why it's the oldest and most used tool in the PUA's toolbox? Yeah, about that: women who hang out in bars are damaged goods. They are either there to drown their sorrows, or like you said: to get laid. The kind of women who pick up strange from bars have esteem issues, and are easily manipulated by screwing with their self worth. They want to believe that they are doing the choosing, and rejection weakens them. I've seen it done over and over again for decades. The best manipulator wins every time. Women with baggage are ripe for the picking by a pickup artist, and that is the bulk of women who need a bar to find a lay.

mementomoria:Hyjamon: thespindrifter: ciberido: thespindrifter: Ah, the treasured "Neg'"... seems to work perfectly on all the non-lesbo feminazis with low self esteem, but exponentially so if you are 1) rich, 2) built like Dwayne Johnson, 3) all of the above.

There's an xkcd for every Fark thread.

Too bad the percentage of women who could actually be smart enough to pull that off is so substantially small that it pretty much never happens in real life. That cartoon right there is nothing more than a Joss Wheadon "Ass kicking hot chick" absurdist fantasy.

If that were even remotely real, the club and bar 'scene' would disappear overnight. The reason why abusive assholes continue to exist is because women love it. Betas finish last, and Alphas win by basically using this exact ploy.

The real trick is to find the middle ground between being a sucker of a nice guy or turning into a tool. It's a rare skill.

I recall a bit about this topic....Women say they hate pick-up lines, but they have all heard one they loved. I would bet half the women in here wouldn't be sitting next to your guy tonight if it weren't because of some lame pick-up line.

it is tough to talk to women (or anyone for that matter) with a cold open, so you have to start somewhere, hence the cheesy lame pick-up line opposed to asking about someones opinion on the reconstruction of Germany following the second world war.

If a male came up to me and asked me my opinion on the reconstruction of Germany after WWII as his cold open, I would grab him and drag him back to my place without further ado.

/to show him my impressive collection of European history books//if you know what I mean///no, really, I've got some pretty cool volumes

Tommy Moo:You clearly have no idea what the community is like. Those stats aren't anywhere near reality, so I'm going to spell it out from my own life for you: I approached hundreds of girls in college. By the time I graduated, I had kissed five or six and slept with three, in four years (all "plain Jane's, as you put it.) In grad school I got into Game and both the quantity and quality skyrocketed. You're suggesting the batting average for PUAs is around .010? Mine was more like .500 for a phone number, .300 for a kiss, and .200 for a "full close." One out of every five girls I approaced I ended up farking. That's a twenty fold increase in success rate. You want this stuff to not work, but you ...

So what percentage thought it was good enough to come back for more than one round?

thespindrifter:ciberido: thespindrifter: Ah, the treasured "Neg'"... seems to work perfectly on all the non-lesbo feminazis with low self esteem, but exponentially so if you are 1) rich, 2) built like Dwayne Johnson, 3) all of the above.

There's an xkcd for every Fark thread.

Too bad the percentage of women who could actually be smart enough to pull that off is so substantially small that it pretty much never happens in real life. That cartoon right there is nothing more than a Joss Wheadon "Ass kicking hot chick" absurdist fantasy.

If that were even remotely real, the club and bar 'scene' would disappear overnight. The reason why abusive assholes continue to exist is because women love it. Betas finish last, and Alphas win by basically using this exact ploy.

The real trick is to find the middle ground between being a sucker of a nice guy or turning into a tool. It's a rare skill.

'Alphas' and 'Betas' don't even exist in the wild, the studies showing that about wolves used wolves that weren't from the same pack or even area and were herded into zoos. I'm not even going into why you want to mimic animal behavior. Seriously, is it that hard to go to a bar or set up a Fetlife account and say 'hey, want to go have sex?'. No-strings-attached sex is a thing, and yes, there are women willing to sleep with even your needy, pathetic ass.

kroonermanblack:thespindrifter: If that were even remotely real, the club and bar 'scene' would disappear overnight

Why? Women like the attention, the free drinks, and the sex just as much as men. They would still go out. They're currently simply choosing from among a pool of self selecting candidates. The guys who are 'too chicken' to ask girls out don't. The ones who do tend to be more 'alpha'; assertive, self confident, agressive.

The guys who have a lot of success with this tend to become even more alpha; they aren't on some magic willy wonka trip or something, if this doesn't work, they move on to the next target.

Of course I've been using Eharmony for like a year without any quantifiable success, so what the fark do I know. Apparently 'So, I'm in AA, have been for a few years, that ok?' as a second or third question is a dealbreaker, haha. But it's part of my life so fark it. There are a ton of other chicks on the site who can and will be happy to ignore me, so it's on to the next one.

I for one, appreciate the honesty. I wish more men would give me the credit to accept them as they are instead of pretending to be what they " think" I want.We are who we are. People can take it or leave it right?

fredbox:Okay, the standard PUA advice. Try it 25 times, you'll get told to fark off 10 times, make 9 contacts that go no farther than you buying her a drink or two, get 4 drinks poured on your head, and get 1 one night stand or on-site fark in the restroom (her 3rd of the night). Also, enjoy your HPV/HSV2.

I know this is Fark, but come on, people. You're so emotionally invested in the idea that "negging" and PUA stuff does or doesn't work that you're completely losing your shiat without even reading the article.

FTFA:"Have real conversation, too.Don't tease her constantly, mix it up with more substantial or meaningful talk. Listen and avoid making fun of her when she's telling you something serious. As you get to know her, tease less but never stop completely - the spirited attitude keeps her attracted."

But keep going on about how the article says to degrade women at every turn.

Honestly, most of the stuff in there is pretty decent advice. The kind of playful attitude described in TFA works pretty well for me, at any rate. This is just spelling it out for people who "put the pussy on a pedestal" and are too terrified to say anything negative to a girl under any circumstances. You know the type. The poor, deluded Nice Guys who think that "kindness" should and will be rewarded with sex.

All of you saying "talk to her like she's an actual person" or "just be yourself" are agreeing with TFA and you don't even realize it. Good-natured ribbing is an important social skill and establishes rapport with most human beings. I mean, most of us do it with our male friends, so why should we treat women any different? Again, TFA spells this out pretty well.

"Remember, teasing comes down to enjoying yourself and creating a playful dynamic. Use the examples as a guideline but start trying out your own ideas based on your personality."

TFA didn't mention this because it'd be a bit insulting to the intended readership, but if you're so lacking in social skills that you really need an article on the internet to teach you how to playfully tease women, chances are good that you come across as farking creepy. Some light teasing will make you seem less nervous and intimidated by her, and she will feel more relaxed and comfortable as a result, assuming you don't confuse "light teasing" and "real insults." A lot of Farkers apparently need a refresher on that distinction, though.

Seriously, outside the PUA threads, I've never heard or seen anyone get called a beta before. What the hell is going on?

I never even knew Beta was a "thing" outside of the swinger/bdsm communities. A beta submissive is someone who is totally passive to everyone else involved.

I never even knew PUAs were a thing. I just thought they were socially inept idiots who thought some magic phrase would let them sleep with women, and whine about how no women want a "nice guy" like them.

taurusowner:Most women who are at least somewhat attractive know that they have a certain power over a good portion of men. They have grown up getting what they want, free drinks, getting out of tickets, people to help them move, free help with homework, etc for years. They're used to it.

The key is to not be one of those guys who falls into that trap. They like a guy who is immune to the "you're hot, let me be your servant in hopes you'll fark me" attitude. Now sometimes that can indeed be with negging. Other times it can be with just being laid back, enjoying your own life and not being wrapped up in finding a girl.

That's the thing. This thread, and all the rest like it, always turns into people arguing that negging works, and people arguing that it doesn't and that being comfortable with yourself and not wrapped up in her is the real key.

You're both right. Because both are just different ways you're breaking out of the box hot chicks expect you to be in. Either way you're showing that you're not someone who is going to fall over yourself trying to please her and be the best doormat she can find. Whether that's be disarming her hotness and taking that tool away from her from the get go by negging, or by being that sure of yourself and happy with your own life that you don't really get wound up over if she's hot or not. Both work. And coincidentally, that's why douchebags and assholes seem to be so successful all the time. The chick isn't with him specifically because he's an asshole. But she is with him because he really believes he's the most awesome guy ever. It's the confidence/arrogance thing. Both are traits guys who believe in themselves have. It's confidence if it's tempered by reality and being a decent person. It's arrogance if it's unbound and causes you to look down on others. But most women can't tell the difference between the two. Again, it goes back to showing that you're not someone who is entranced by their charms. You can do that by being an arrogant a ...

thespindrifter:bingethinker: Man, the internet is so binary, so 0 and 1, so wonderful/horrible. Some gentle teasing or a funny remark that's not sexist or offensive is not the same thing as "negging". Show some humor, some personality, something to set you apart from that group of losers sitting there staring at her like she's a piece of meat.

People with personality don't pick up women in bars. They go out and live successful lives and probably already landed the girlfriends and wife they wanted by the end of college. People with personality don't go trolling; they sit back and let the good things come to them after proving they are the peak of desirability in other ways. The bar crowd is pretty much just assholes, wannabe Betas who don't know any better, and drunks.

This is my experience as well. If you find people you like and then start dating, things work out a lot better than the other way around.

Okay, the standard PUA advice. Try it 25 times, you'll get told to fark off 10 times, make 9 contacts that go no farther than you buying her a drink or two, get 4 drinks poured on your head, and get 1 one night stand or on-site fark in the restroom (her 3rd of the night). Also, enjoy your HPV/HSV2.

thespindrifter:ciberido: thespindrifter: Ah, the treasured "Neg'"... seems to work perfectly on all the non-lesbo feminazis with low self esteem, but exponentially so if you are 1) rich, 2) built like Dwayne Johnson, 3) all of the above.

There's an xkcd for every Fark thread.

Too bad the percentage of women who could actually be smart enough to pull that off is so substantially small that it pretty much never happens in real life. That cartoon right there is nothing more than a Joss Wheadon "Ass kicking hot chick" absurdist fantasy.

If that were even remotely real, the club and bar 'scene' would disappear overnight. The reason why abusive assholes continue to exist is because women love it. Betas finish last, and Alphas win by basically using this exact ploy.

The real trick is to find the middle ground between being a sucker of a nice guy or turning into a tool. It's a rare skill.

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There are a lot of women that could pull that off. It's just skewed to seem like a small percentage because they're all smart enough to avoid someone like you.

thespindrifter:Jim_Callahan: Someone should probably tell this guy that negging doesn't actually work. Sure, sometimes you'll still get laid, but it's more an "in spite of" thing where the woman is also there looking to get laid and she knows she won't have to put up with your annoying habits for more than a couple hours.

It'll rarely if ever increase your chances, beyond just padding out the conversation a bit.

If negging doesn't work, then please explain to me why it's the oldest and most used tool in the PUA's toolbox? Yeah, about that: women who hang out in bars are damaged goods. They are either there to drown their sorrows, or like you said: to get laid. The kind of women who pick up strange from bars have esteem issues, and are easily manipulated by screwing with their self worth. They want to believe that they are doing the choosing, and rejection weakens them. I've seen it done over and over again for decades. The best manipulator wins every time. Women with baggage are ripe for the picking by a pickup artist, and that is the bulk of women who need a bar to find a lay.

what does it say about the guys wanting to pick up this kind of girl? he's just as f*cked up as she is. he doesn't value himself, either. or did that not occur to you, that men can be broken pieces of sh*t as well? and did you ever consider HOW those girls got to be that way? odds are, at the hands of other men. none of you will ever take responsibility for how you destroy the females of this planet, ever. how convenient.

thespindrifter:Jim_Callahan: Someone should probably tell this guy that negging doesn't actually work. Sure, sometimes you'll still get laid, but it's more an "in spite of" thing where the woman is also there looking to get laid and she knows she won't have to put up with your annoying habits for more than a couple hours.

It'll rarely if ever increase your chances, beyond just padding out the conversation a bit.

If negging doesn't work, then please explain to me why it's the oldest and most used tool in the PUA's toolbox? Yeah, about that: women who hang out in bars are damaged goods. They are either there to drown their sorrows, or like you said: to get laid. The kind of women who pick up strange from bars have esteem issues, and are easily manipulated by screwing with their self worth. They want to believe that they are doing the choosing, and rejection weakens them. I've seen it done over and over again for decades. The best manipulator wins every time. Women with baggage are ripe for the picking by a pickup artist, and that is the bulk of women who need a bar to find a lay.

thespindrifter:bingethinker: Man, the internet is so binary, so 0 and 1, so wonderful/horrible. Some gentle teasing or a funny remark that's not sexist or offensive is not the same thing as "negging". Show some humor, some personality, something to set you apart from that group of losers sitting there staring at her like she's a piece of meat.

People with personality don't pick up women in bars. They go out and live successful lives and probably already landed the girlfriends and wife they wanted by the end of college. People with personality don't go trolling; they sit back and let the good things come to them after proving they are the peak of desirability in other ways. The bar crowd is pretty much just assholes, wannabe Betas who don't know any better, and drunks.

Either you don't go to bars, in which case you are in no position to say what types are normally found there, or you have no personality. Which is it?

Fark you.Fark you sideways.With a rutabaga.Yeah, because the most attractive thing is to hear how a guy could whip your ass if he wanted. Might as well wear an A-Shirt, too.I'm running out of ways to say Fark You, here.Great advice if you're looking for a beard.What a goddamn douchebag.You're right. I enjoy the company of men.You're gay. Which is fine - so am I.Dream on, Studman.

thespindrifter:Jim_Callahan: Someone should probably tell this guy that negging doesn't actually work. Sure, sometimes you'll still get laid, but it's more an "in spite of" thing where the woman is also there looking to get laid and she knows she won't have to put up with your annoying habits for more than a couple hours.

It'll rarely if ever increase your chances, beyond just padding out the conversation a bit.

If negging doesn't work, then please explain to me why it's the oldest and most used tool in the PUA's toolbox? Yeah, about that: women who hang out in bars are damaged goods. They are either there to drown their sorrows, or like you said: to get laid. The kind of women who pick up strange from bars have esteem issues, and are easily manipulated by screwing with their self worth. They want to believe that they are doing the choosing, and rejection weakens them. I've seen it done over and over again for decades. The best manipulator wins every time. Women with baggage are ripe for the picking by a pickup artist, and that is the bulk of women who need a bar to find a lay.

Jim_Callahan:Someone should probably tell this guy that negging doesn't actually work. Sure, sometimes you'll still get laid, but it's more an "in spite of" thing where the woman is also there looking to get laid and she knows she won't have to put up with your annoying habits for more than a couple hours.

It'll rarely if ever increase your chances, beyond just padding out the conversation a bit.

If negging doesn't work, then please explain to me why it's the oldest and most used tool in the PUA's toolbox? Yeah, about that: women who hang out in bars are damaged goods. They are either there to drown their sorrows, or like you said: to get laid. The kind of women who pick up strange from bars have esteem issues, and are easily manipulated by screwing with their self worth. They want to believe that they are doing the choosing, and rejection weakens them. I've seen it done over and over again for decades. The best manipulator wins every time. Women with baggage are ripe for the picking by a pickup artist, and that is the bulk of women who need a bar to find a lay.

ReverendJynxed:audiblesmile: Or how about being yourself and not a fraud. Pretty pathetic to have to act or trick someone into liking you.

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"Upon reflection. I believe that I could squarely best you in a game of Scrabble. Furthermore, since we both share a fondness for drinking liquids. I declare you my closest companion. When will you provide me with sex?"

Witness99:I have gay male friends that act exactly like his list (most of it, anyway).

Let's have a dance off!

Deep rooted gay culture is about use and abuse, which is why there is a strong overlap between the gay crowd & the Sadomasochist lifestyle. LOTS of daddy issues, low self esteem, and generally abusive behavior. It's sad to see.