. . .Spinoff from another thread where I'm getting raked over the coals for making the apparently unacceptable social blunder of using "PC" language, common terms in long use that I had zero idea had become "PC". The whole PC/non-PC thing is a mystery to me, so would like to hear some feedback.

Got me wondering. In the new political climate has it become politically correct to be politically incorrect? "PC" seems to have become the go-to bash against any criticism of manners or common civility and courtesy. I never hear anyone slamming people for being "non-PC". So, is the social trend now towards "non-PC" as acceptable behavior? Boorishness seems to be "in" these days.

Perhaps opening up discussion and clarification of what these buzzwords (oops, is "buzzword" part of this mysterious PC code?) "PC" and "non-PC" actually mean could shed some light on the subject.

quote:. . .Spinoff from another thread where I'm getting raked over the coals for making the apparently unacceptable social blunder of using "PC" language, common terms in long use that I had zero idea had become "PC". The whole PC/non-PC thing is a mystery to me, so would like to hear some feedback.

Got me wondering. In the new political climate has it become politically correct to be politically incorrect? "PC" seems to have become the go-to bash against any criticism of manners or common civility and courtesy. I never hear anyone slamming people for being "non-PC". So, is the social trend now towards "non-PC" as acceptable behavior? Boorishness seems to be "in" these days.

Perhaps opening up discussion and clarification of what these buzzwords (oops, is "buzzword" part of this mysterious PC code?) "PC" and "non-PC" actually mean could shed some light on the subject.

If you are referencing me, I never intended to "rake you over the coals" You have always been a humorous and insightful contributor here whose comments always have content worthy of thought....

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Feeling insulted, being mean, rude and whatever are just part of life, The Sun will rise tomorrow. Personally?... I grew so tired of people saying, "You can't say that"! When in fact you can say whatever you please, knowing there may be consequences. But that remains your call, not anyone elses who may be offended by what you have to say.

The current one now is "Hate speech is not free speech" who determines that?

Well, I've news for you, Free speech is exactly that..."The First Amendment does not suppress speech based on the ideas expressed".

"FIRE" in a crowded theater.....well

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Lol, yeah gotta confess I was throwing that bucket o' blood in your shark tank, nice job depriving me of the frenzy I was after. Figured it was gonna be lively the way you were banging your big ugly jaws teeth against the aquarium glass this a.m.

Still, it is a good topic - when does non-PC become a green light for behavior that has always been unacceptable by common social lights.

I just signed in to make a similar comment re modern language usage. Granted, this site is filled w/old guys - if we were listening to the ABB in 1970s, we're old - and the language used here often seems so dated as to be unintelligible to me. PC is a term coined 40 years ago & was often used pejoratively. Now, words formerly deemed PC (and therefore ridiculous) are standard English. This is particularly true of gender neutral words.

For example, proper standard English for what used to be called mailman is postal carrier. Mailman is characterized as "word origin" or deemed archaic. The term PC itself is considered archaic.

I work in a field where words matter & clearly communicating concepts is vital. I have to know what terminology is going to be understood by the widest audience. No one cares what I remember it being called 40 years ago. They need to understand it today.

There's always going to be slang, technical terminology, & industry speak meant for very small specific audiences that's not necessarily of importance to the average English speaker. Regional terms still baffle me. For the most part, if you want to have successful English conversation, use generally accepted current terminology.

This doesn't apply to hate speech. Jay-Z & Oprah are going to fight that out to the death.

quote: For example, proper standard English for what used to be called mailman is postal carrier. Mailman is characterized as "word origin" or deemed archaic.

"Proper standard English"?...Says who?...You mean PC? If one uses a term like "Mailman" so be it, I am sure there are people out there who are driven crazy by such things.....I guess one could be a grammar N*** and correct them, or choose to let it slide knowing that individual meant no ill will. Let colloquialisms rule the day; is not "ain't" in the Dictionary? Is that "Proper standard English"?

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I understand that some people think things have gone too PC, and I get frustrated when someone gets offended by every little thing. But I don't even know what is PC anymore. Which is PC, Merry Christmas or Happy Holidays? Seems like the only people getting upset are those who insist those that you must use Merry Christmas. The way I look at it is intent. If somebody uses a term to be a douche, then they are. If no harm was meant, then let it go. I try to use the most polite possible term, but see no reason to let every little thing bother me.

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"Proper standard English"?...Says who?...You mean PC? If one uses a term like "Mailman" so be it, I am sure there are people out there who are driven crazy by such things.....I guess one could be a grammar N*** and correct them, or choose to let it slide knowing that individual meant no ill will. Let colloquialisms rule the day; is not "ain't" in the Dictionary? Is that "Proper standard English"?

For purposes of discussion, I'm referring to generally acceptable English words & grammar adopted by Teachers of English Language, edited dictionaries, and publishing guidelines - what's taught to children in school AND people learning English as a second language.

I'm saying how a person speaks affects how they're perceived. If a person doesn't use standard English, then they're apt to be misunderstood.

My point (not personal to you, V) is don't get up in someone else's grill if they don't speak as you'd like them to.

There's another part of communication that's alien to me - code. I had no idea until a few days ago "globalism" meant Jewish. I thought it meant global. Of course, I didn't know snapper meant Catholic until I was asked years ago if I knew anyone who went to "that snapper school down the street" meaning Fordham University. I really don't want to know more on that topic.

I just have to say I HATE when people say "right" after their comment. Been a few years now that somehow this has crept into more and more people. I think it started as some kind of hipster lingo, now my wife is doing it!

"I know right"

I make a subtle noise and look at people funny when they do it to try and make them feel weird for having said it.

quote:. . .Spinoff from another thread where I'm getting raked over the coals for making the apparently unacceptable social blunder of using "PC" language, common terms in long use that I had zero idea had become "PC". The whole PC/non-PC thing is a mystery to me, so would like to hear some feedback.

Got me wondering. In the new political climate has it become politically correct to be politically incorrect? "PC" seems to have become the go-to bash against any criticism of manners or common civility and courtesy. I never hear anyone slamming people for being "non-PC". So, is the social trend now towards "non-PC" as acceptable behavior? Boorishness seems to be "in" these days.

Perhaps opening up discussion and clarification of what these buzzwords (oops, is "buzzword" part of this mysterious PC code?) "PC" and "non-PC" actually mean could shed some light on the subject.

This thread seems to have went off on a trail of it's own. There are PC's which use Windows Operating systems and programs from the Microsoft cartel. From the start Gates seemed to want to incorporate anticipatory options into the programs so the computer could think what you wanted to do and offer you things. I prefer one that does what I ask it to do.

I learned about Chromebooks and I think they are good because they eliminate all the options you really do not need that the Windows gang have in their programs. The Chromebooks are from Google and use a Google created operating system. They are leaner but still give you basically what you need and want. You can also access a FREE microsoft programs of Word, Excel and Powerpoint online using a webload called OFFICE ONLINE, they are also in the Chrome Web store if you want to buy them.

The Chromebook saves your documents to One Drive, but you can save them to a flash drive or the harddrive or an SSD card. The only thing the Chromebooks do not have is a DVD and CD capacity.

They have 13 hours of batter life, you can stream and watch your You Tubes, and they cost a heck of a lot less than the laptops enabling you to do most of what you want anyway.

You will not have to endure those continuous long Windows updates cause they run on Google. You do not HAVE to use gmail, you can access any of your email no matter where it is.

So this non-PC has found a place in the realm where only PC's used to go. Hope that helps.

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