I'm not ready for all the ProPilot stuff, still want to drive myself, but that might get me a lower priority if I don't order that package.

Design: Don't care much how it looks as long as the Cd is low. Power and a quick acceleration would be nice. Spacious cabin too, heck, why not vans, suvs, trucks, should have more models by now. Real gauges with usable information like kWh remaining and other, similar items I have to use LeafSpy for now.

Value: S 30 kWh $25k SV 45 kWh $30k SL 60 kWh $35k

Not realistic? OK, but worth waiting for. Who knows if there'll be federal credits by then anyway? It's an uncertain world.

LeftieBiker wrote:I really, really don't want to drive my 2013 for another likely-harsh Winter. Summer will be enough of an annoyance, range-wise.

Agree with that!

How about other downsides of extending a lease? Two battery checks are free, how much for a third one? If I have to keep it another 6-12 months, I may need new tires, and right before it goes back? Plus, the warranty ends at 36 months, not that the risk is great, but it is there.

As long as the design is good, that would be a compelling, competitive line up. The only gotcha is the Bolt is probably still faster because Chevy cares about the 0-60 and handling but Nissan doesn’t (at least in the EV world).

I'd add the Toyota Rav4 EV to this list. Originally a $50k EV, has Tesla guts with a Toyota body.

Most used models can be found for under 40k miles and under $20k. Real world range of 110-135 miles. Has a sport driving mode and is a blast to drive. Good cargo space but is also the last model year body style with more aero features. The GOM is right on for the most part and it can tow.

DNAinaGoodWay wrote:So, will it be worth waiting for? By August lease deals on the Bolt should be better, it has some drawbacks, but it's a known quantity. So far, Leaf 2 is this:

Range: 250-300 EPA

Possible 300 with 60 kWh if they got the Cd down low enough?

Design: Don't care much how it looks as long as the Cd is low. Power and a quick acceleration would be nice. Spacious cabin too, heck, why not vans, suvs, trucks, should have more models by now. Real gauges with usable information like kWh remaining and other, similar items I have to use LeafSpy for now.

Value: S 30 kWh $25k SV 45 kWh $30k SL 60 kWh $35k

Not realistic? OK, but worth waiting for. Who knows if there'll be federal credits by then anyway? It's an uncertain world.

I agree on lower Cd. I was hoping for something with a lower roof line and a slightly bigger trunk while still keeping the deep trunk space. A frunk would be awesome too.

A hatchback model would be nice but still be able to sit 5 comfortably. Solar roof to charge both the 12v system and drive battery as well. Needs 200-300 mile range and quickcharge port.

A big plus would be TMS. They could finally charge for service and get people to come in for a fluid flush every 10k-20k miles? That is probably the biggest one. If they can keep the battery from degrading so quickly it would be a perfect car. Mine was trouble free except for the capacity loss being over 30% in 4-5 years is way too much. Unless they had a battery replacement plan or better warranty. 30% loss in range is unacceptable even if they have a larger capacity pack.

SageBrush wrote:A base Tesla Model 3 starts at $35k USD and will have about 220 miles of highway range. I like my LEAF a lot, but for the same price as a Tesla ? Knowing the dismal state of Nissan's support of EV ownership and its handling of battery degradation ? Without a supercharger network ?

Choice is good for everyone...Personally, I'm not a sedan fan, so even tho I accept that the Model 3 will be a very nice car, it's not my style. I prefer the Leaf/Bolt look.

Also, there are still some QC (Quality Control, not Quick Charge) issues for Tesla. Have some friends with a Model S, and while Tesla has been great every time they have taken it in, the fact is they have taken it in several times..And now one of their rear door handles isn't working (and if you know the model S, if the auto isn't working, there is no manual.).

On my Leaf, it's been rock solid...Not saying all Tesla's have QC issues and not saying all Leaf's are rock solid...

Agreed. After my experiences with Nissan, Leaf 2 will not be on my shopping list...

SageBrush wrote:I like my LEAF a lot, but for the same price as a Tesla ? Knowing the dismal state of Nissan's support of EV ownership and its handling of battery degradation ? Without a supercharger network ? This hardly seems like a fair fight.