Increasingly, it seems that the Republican Party would rather quit or simply embrace liberalism than fight for the conservatism in which they used to believe. It doesn't seem to matter how little they have left to lose. They'll find some reason or other to keep going along in the same leftward direction as the Democrats, just a tiny bit more slowly.

They would apparently rather be the Vichy Republicans, named for the puppet government of France that Nazi Germany appointed in the city of Vichy during its World War II occupation. Just as some Frenchmen sold out their country and brethren for the trappings of entirely phony power  as if they could really do anything of which the Nazis disapproved  so too are many Republicans more than willing to adopt and implement the policies of their erstwhile enemy just so they can pretend they have more influence than they really do. As if they could really pass anything of which the Democrats disapproved.

This country has reached a point similar to that of an out of control Alcoholic.

The ONLY option is for the Alcoholic to hit bottom and crash completely. Then and only then is a recovery even remotely possible. The economy and the American way of life must be severely changed an put in jeopardy for the American public to wake up from it’s coma.

It is simply a necessary event that has to happen and soon will under any of the three choices for President. Better that a Democrat gets the blame and helps Republicans save what little respect they have left from the American people.

Then, a campaign to expose the MSM and break their strangle hold on the public will also be necessary. The potential for that happening has never been better either.

The concept is quite logical and possible. We did in once before with Reagan.

It is not logical. Your recipe is the same destructive blueprint that elected Clinton over Bush Sr. From the SCOTUS, to weapon technology transfers, to 9-11...the all or nothing far right is misguided and memory damaged.

All of these young misguided voters who are fresh out of school and clearly brainwashed by the Liberal doctrine, will learn the hard way.

You have more faith in humananity than I do. As I recall Clinton was re-elected and his wife now has a shot to mess things up more.

There just isn't enough support for real conservative candidates. I actually agree with that, but there is an obvious reason for this.

This is a nationwide problem because the whole country moves a little bit more to the left each year. Ronald Reagan was the peak for conservation. True. Can you think of even one person on the federal level, that has run on the Conservative principles Ronald Reagan heralded prior to and during his terms in office? I can't.

Our Senators and Congressman are not stupid. The conservative ones are usually going leftward each year berceuse that's what gets you elected these days. I would beg to differ here. They most certainly are stupid. Our current President has joined them to produce massive spending. They have also backed idiotic education nonsense that was basicly nonthing more than rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. We have allowed open border to sap our nation. In short, you could go right down the line and list the tenets of Conservatism we have seen betrayed during the last twenty years since Reagan was President. And this has made it next to impossible to sell Conservatism, because the public isn't stupid. We have sold out our principles (as least our leaders have for us), and now it's impossible to sell Conservatism from a party that has sold it out for twenty years. And yet, they haven't a clue why they can't sell it. And they have decided to abandon it entirely with no pretenses to the contrary.

There is a way out of it but I'm not sure what it is. There are actually two ways out of it. The Republican party could come out and admit that they have sold Conservatism out over the last twenty years and announce that they were going to renew their dedication to it's tenets and implement them whenever possible from public office. Let's remember that Ronald Reagan had to fight to do the same thing in 1980. He was the only one who proposed the Conservative agenda he did, and the powers that be wasn't happy about it one bit.

The only other way would be to start a third party that devised a firm Conservative platform, and wasn't afraid to push it from local cities up thorough the federal government. The Republican party has made themselves comepletely irrelevent. If someone wanted to vote for a leftist, why would they vote for the watered down leftist? No, they would vote for the real thing.

Just look at the fantasy land primary the Democrats have. All based on emotions and image. This is how foolish many Americans are getting. Life is too nice here so people have a lot of space to indulge their fantasies. Such as saddling the USA with trillions of dollars of expenditures to combat global warming while China and India have unrestricted CO2 emissions and already account for two thirds all man made CO2 emissions. I firmly agree. But look at what that McCain dummard is doing. I know you refrence it farther down, but he buys into this B.S. Between him and the Democrats during the next four years, they'll destroy this nation with this and countless other bad policies. While this is taking place, Conservatism will have nowhere to go, no one to represent them or counter this clap-trap agenda.

You won't even be able to develop a base from which to push Conservatism in 2012, because the Republican party will be trying to kill any such uprising. If McCain is elected, there will be no effort to rebuild, to develop our brand, to out the truth of Conservatism vs what is being ushered in. McCain is the perfect Third-Way candidate. He will do ten times the damage to this nation that Bill Clinton, Hillary or Obama could. He will do it because there will be no oppostion. Having gone the Third-Way route, the Republicans and the Democrats will be able to support just about anything he wants to do.

You've now seen how absolutely destructive to Conservative policy Bush was. McCain is even worse. Watch the destruction this guy leaves in his path. He is the poison pill for Conservatism.

Folks will vote him in, and Conservatism will simply die and blow away. Do you think forums like this will blast him? You know darn well many people will support him simply because he has an (R) after his name. They will challenge anyone who criticizes him from this side of the isle. There will be long lists of all his accomplishments, that will ignore the utter Conservative destrucion he will leave in his wake. Look at what we have had to deal with for the last eight years and tell me I'm wrong.

That India and China information was just on the Glenn Beck show. And I agree with it.

McCain wants to stop global warming because he knows this nonsense gets him votes. In the absense of any Conservative arguements to the contrary, you're right.

Who is selling Conservatism these days? Bush? (LMAO) McCain? The RNC? This nation has slid so far left over the last eight years it's difficult to list all the problems that have been created and ignored.

Conservatism doesn't sell because we don't have any salesmen in our showroom. And voting McCain salesman of the year isn't going to change that. It will solidify the problem for decades to come.

The ONLY option is for the Alcoholic to hit bottom and crash completely. Then and only then is a recovery even remotely possible. The economy and the American way of life must be severely changed an put in jeopardy for the American public to wake up from its coma.

A severe recession or depression and large scale terrorism on US soil will get the American people out of fantasy land. We need some hard economic choices where there is a rebellion against overpaid bureaucrats on all levels and rebellion at Al Gore type schemes. Where Americans demand illegal aliens be sent packing berceuse they are stealing jobs and depressing wages. There are a lot more examples of what is accepted now but not accepted during a severe recession and with domestic terrorism

Kansas just turned down a coal fired plant. When you see rebellion over such economy crippling decisions then you will know the American people are coming to their senses

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posted on 03/31/2008 8:51:00 AM PDT
by dennisw
(Never bet on a false prophet! <<<||>>> Never bet on Islam!)

With Obama in office, the Republican party will have to do some self-assessment and regroup. That will not happen if McCain wins.

With Obam in office, the Republicans will realize that Conservatives do count. They will move back toward sound policy.

If it ever gets out that McCain type Republicans can get elected ignoring, in fact insulting Conservatives openly, it will be the end of our nation.

Vote for the guy if you think you must, but don’t you ever tie me to the calamity that follows. I reject what you folks are doing with every fiber of my being. I won’t be voting for John McCain this fall.

I am a devout Conservative and I will never put my “X” down for a liberal again.

With Obam in office, the Republicans will realize that Conservatives do count. They will move back toward sound policy.

Obama will not win and when McCain wins without conservative support it will prove conservative support is not needed if the GOP moves left. McCain will owe the conservatives nothing when elected. With coices like Tancredo, Hunter, Keyes, Thompson, Huckabee, and Romney the GOP picked McCain. It wasn't for lack of a solid conservative running...it was because conservatism doesn't sell.

You won't even be able to develop a base from which to push Conservatism in 2012, because the Republican party will be trying to kill any such uprising. If McCain is elected, there will be no effort to rebuild, to develop our brand, to out the truth of Conservatism vs what is being ushered in. McCain is the perfect Third-Way candidate. He will do ten times the damage to this nation that Bill Clinton, Hillary or Obama could. He will do it because there will be no oppostion. Having gone the Third-Way route, the Republicans and the Democrats will be able to support just about anything he wants to do.

I do not propose a third party this year. I do propose one to be started from the gound up within the next six months, to be up and running in four years at the local and state levels, and to be national in eight years.

It was because nobody had the deep pockets McCain did. Those other candidates were out of money before the first few months were up. And let’s not forget the rules that many suspect allowed the left to vote for John in the first primaries. I don’t think Republicans were as responsible for John being elected as I do Democrats.

Obama will not win and when McCain wins without conservative support it will prove conservative support is not needed if the GOP moves left.

Super! Then all the Team Juan shills and apologists hereabouts can immediately cease and desist their tiresome, threadbare attempts at frightening and hectoring votes out of decent, principled conservatives on behalf of their anointed RINO du jour, as of this very posting... yes?

*whew!* Thank goodness that rot's finally all over and done with, then.

“Super! Then all the Team Juan shills and apologists hereabouts can immediately cease and desist their tiresome, threadbare attempts at frightening and hectoring votes out of decent, principled conservatives on behalf of their anointed RINO du jour, as of this very posting... yes?”

McCain was out of money and considered out of the race before Romney, Thompson, or Huckabee. Why do you suppose solid conservatives like Tancredo, Hunter, or Keyes can’t raise money? The answer is lack of conservative support.

Super! Then all the Team Juan shills and apologists hereabouts can immediately cease and desist their tiresome, threadbare attempts at frightening and hectoring votes out of decent, principled conservatives on behalf of their anointed RINO du jour, as of this very posting... yes?

Not every Freeper desires to wallow in delusions. I have not urged anyone to vote for McCain. Try again?

Unless you're openly confessing to being one of the aformentioned Team Juan shills and/or apologists, your posting makes no sense whatsoever. Flinch much...?

I was giving you the benefit of the doubt in regards to your maturity. How about trying to debate the points of the argument instead of calling me a McCain shill? no? then we have nothing further to discuss.

Besides, your “Perfection is the enemy of the good” is bs. God wants us to try to be as perfect as we can be, as humans, we simply cannot attain it. I dont think attaining it is actually the point, but the act of trying is.

If you’d like to be a “moderate” and take the shiny well lit path, go right ahead.

Pretty good analogy. Most Republicans are like “moderate” Muslims. They don’t talk out loud in support of the liberal jihad but they never speak in opposition to it either and given the chance they will vote for socialism.

I was giving you the benefit of the doubt in regards to your maturity. How about trying to debate the points of the argument instead of calling me a McCain shill?

... and I was granting you an even greater benefit of the doubt, plainly, in assuming you weren't nursing some freakish, inexplicable sort of online martyr complex. My Bad, obviously, on that call.

More slowly, and for the last time: unless you are openly confessing to being "all the Team Juan shills and apologists hereabouts"... you weren't referred to as such. Re-read again, for comprehension this time... or not; I sleep just as soundly, either way.

McCain would be even worse, and the GOP will be out in the wilderness for another generation.

Oh, far, far longer than a mere generation, once a President McCain managed to snake a new and "improved" amnesty bill through a dutifully compliant Congress, and we ended up with somewhere between thirty and forty MILLION brand spanking new Dem-voters-for-life added to the roles.

That's the sort of nightmare prospect that really ought to terrify any thinking conservative(s), quite frankly!

His compulsion to collapse to any Democratic opposition disturbs me. His primary goal is to “get along with the Democrats.” I wish he’d be just 1/2 as harsh with the Dems as he is with the conservatives in his own party. He’s a mean little sh*t...to us.

The RP will hold positions of power, its just that Conservatives wont be a part of it. They will be frozen out.

You know, I had penned a response of disagreement with you, but then I realized I'm wrong: The GOP will hold offices, but they'll be as nasty to our causes as the Democrats. I really don't know where to go. I know I'm not going to hold my nose and vote for McCain. Never again.

I really wish Hillary had seen the threat of Obama and switched parties. It’d be hilarious to see all of these people here telling us that we have to support her, and how conservatism is dead and would somehow be deader if we didn’t elect her. “Pray for Hillary - Day 128.” LOL.

I really wish Hillary had seen the threat of Obama and switched parties. Itd be hilarious to see all of these people here telling us that we have to support her, and how conservatism is dead and would somehow be deader if we didnt elect her. Pray for Hillary - Day 128. LOL.

Ha. I think you misunderestimate the depth of loathing we have for this man. I see McCain as the end of my state. I live in Dallas, which already has the fastest growth of illegals in the country, and this man wants to give them his stamp of approval and pave the way for millions more? No. I don’t just hope he gets elected without my vote. I want to see him go down in defeat. He is the only candidate who will not cave in to the kind of pressure we brought to bear on the last amnesty bill. It’s his signature issue, and he’ll fight for it with his dying breath.

Look, it’s a tough pill to swallow for many of us who have voted for Republicans non-stop since we turned 18 or further back 21. I started voting for Republicans in 1970 and never looked back. And to be honest, some of those folks weren’t Conservative, but I didn’t know better at the time.

Watching this nation turn into a socialist state was very painful. We either take a stand at some point or watch as we turn into the U.S.S.R. As crazy as that sounds, we are seeing some incredible signs of what is to come today.

Religious freedom, First Amendment freedoms and Second Amendment freedoms are under attack. If they should be damaged futher, we’re in serous trouble. What I see in Canada tells me we’re very close to some serious problems.

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