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Virgin should fly to Tokyo again, why they ever left is a puzzle. IF they can fly to Haneda especially. The competition was the same three airlines, one from the UK & two from Japan. Tokyo to Europe is not competitive for the ME3 unlike many other routes to Asia. Cos pound for pound the same ai...

Factually incorrect. The A359 cannot takeoff from JNB and fly to ATL with anywhere near a full load. Increasing MTOW won't help because it is performance limited due to the elevation The A359 would also leave behind some people occaisionally on LAX-SYD. Atlanta to Johannesburg is very much a challe...

huh? The 251t 339 will have about the same range as the 772ER. It can certainly do more routes to ICN and it could also do routes that see the 359/777 like LAX-PVG, MSP-ICN, etc. etc. Agreed. For next summer there are 359s and 77Ls scheduled to operate routes that don't require their range: SEA-NRT...

I'm pretty sure Boeing wrote off Delta when they tried to put the squeeze on Bombardier in court. No. As has been mentioned multiple times in this thread and in others, Boeing would be absolutely stupid to freeze out the world's second largest airline. That's just not good business. Boeing will fig...

*yes I am lumping the 77L in with the 77W because engines and the NGS mods are what has killed the world's 744 fleets. The 77L has to fund the same engines and weights as the 77W while selling ~50 fewer seats depending on airline. It just won't be competitive on operating economics per seat once ev...

The 77Ls were delivered from 2008-2010. Close to zero percent chance Delta will get rid of them in the next 10 years. The economics of flying a 77L in 2025 will be like the economics of flying a 744 today, and the capex for 359s to replace them (ULRs won't be necessary, just 280 t regular versions)...

The more and more I think about it the more I see that the 787-8 could work for DL to replace some of the 767.. The other wild card is whether DL continues the strategy of Widebody aircraft on transcons... I really hope so but I could see some of the transcon flying going to a bird like the 797 whe...

Is Delta planning some kind of expansion or are these to replace the 772ER? I assume they will start with replacing their oldest wide bodies, PW engined 767-300 and 300ER and than start replacing old 767-300 with GE engines. I'm guessing there will be a hiring freeze or lots of pilot retirements. T...

I'd be shocked crapless is this isn't a replacement for the 10 359s that were deferred. Hope I am wrong but i wouldn't bet on this being a completely new order. I am theorizing this will be a std weight fleet with a transcontinental lie flat set up up front to present a consistent wide body fleet on...

Yeah if SLC see any Asia service it will have to be via a Skyteam partner since DL decided to pass on the 787. Delta's wide-bodies capable of that mission have way too much capacity. If it's from a SkyTeam partner, then it certainly won't be NRT. ICN would be more likely. Why was the route cut? Wil...

Yeah if SLC see any Asia service it will have to be via a Skyteam partner since DL decided to pass on the 787. Delta's wide-bodies capable of that mission have way too much capacity. If it's from a SkyTeam partner, then it certainly won't be NRT. ICN would be more likely. Why was the route cut? Wil...

I’m sure the other airports in Europe will gladly take the traffic the Netherlands is trying to scare away. That's why it needs to be an international effort................. Did you read the article? I absolutely agree but you pay my share because I don't want to deal? Also good luck getting count...

Fuel stops are indeed assured when 33 is in use. Folks like SWA regularly have to hop over to places like ONT or LAS for fuel. One can't compare BUR and SNA. SNA does not have a hill at the end of the runway that must be cleared. no idea if Delta's 73Ws will have to stop or not but no one has compa...

I wonder what AS and DL will do in response to this announcement from SEA? both already fly to DC and NYC from SEA so maybe some slightly expanded service or something along those lines I wouldn't expect much. Surprised it wasn't in the southeast. ATL would have been my bet. Especially with Amazon ...

Yes, Delta knows when the CS1s will be delivered next year almost down to the day, but this is not something that will be made public. You can get a rough delivery schedule with data sources like Flightglobal's Fleets Analyzer. Reminder: they are no longer CS1s, CS3s, CSeries; they are now Airbus A...

I’ve heard similar rumors, with the additional a330neos possibly coming at the expense of the deferred A350s. But it is all just rumor. An order for more 330neos is entirely believable but converting 350s really isn't. At this point the second batch of 350s, plus a few more, are the only credible r...

I can see Delta picking up some A330-800’s. The 800 is the true replacement right now for the 767-300’s and thoughts 767 are getting old. Unless Boeing can get off the pot and get going on there new plane. A338 is way too much plane to be a 767 replacement, I think DL has its eyes on the 797. my gu...

Today I noticed the summer ‘19 nonstop routes to HNL from both MSP and DTW were swapped from a 763ER to a 764ER. Delta seems to make numerous aircraft changes, even far in advance, on Saturdays (for whatever future days of the week) from my experience with them over the years. My question is why do...

First objection is in -- Delta says while commercial conditions can fluctuate and require airlines to make schedule revisions, the scarcity of available China zone-1 frequencies is such that they should not be left unused particularly if other carriers seek to operate services using them. While DL ...

You mean people speaking the real truth instead of just the same old Delta employee propaganda that is always posted that everyone is suppose to accept as the truth just because these folks work at Delta. Yes cngrats to Delta employees because they really got a good deal out of this being not much ...

How many A220s are scheduled to be delivered in the next year? I think the first 4 frames will have entered the fleet when the inaugural happens in January. The first one (N101DU) has been undergoing test flights yesterday and today. Are there anymore deliveries scheduled throughout 2019? 20+ assum...

And this thread went about like I figured it would. either way, congratulations to the employees of Delta. You mean people speaking the real truth instead of just the same old Delta employee propaganda that is always posted that everyone is suppose to accept as the truth just because these folks wo...

What's pathetic is this comment.... Yes... DL is the leading US airline and they went backward... Anderson saved Delta, and Bastian is taking them to the future. They will do what makes economic sense. Get your head out of the old days, they're done, look toward the future. There's no need to make ...

yikes, and I thought klm617 was bad. Remember when the mods would have either start deleting posts or locked this thread down and the troll booted a several posts ago? Pepperidge Farm remembers. I've heard through the grapevine that Delta will be putting the A339 on SEA-Asia to start in July. Howeve...

UA retrofitted their entire fleet, WN retrofitted all of their 800s and a number of 700s, AS retrofitted most of their fleet. Every airline makes a different choice when it comes to figuring out if the ROI is worth it or not. It would be interesting to see why DL and AA decided not retrofit vs thei...

MSP HND has been successful. When Ed was in town this summer he reiterated, to employees and customers alike, that Haneda has performed well and isn't going anywhere, even with the upcoming ICN and PVG flights. We need to keep in mind Ed says a lot of things many of which never come to pass. It's t...

Does that mean we MIGHT finally see the 737-600 here? (That is if it has the range) Pretty sure WestJet keeps the 736 most on operations in Canada. No, the B736s get used through out most of the routes including to the US. There’s a chance the B736 could be subbed in, for now it’s planned with B73W...

I think its weird AC dosent fly to SLC, YVR-SLC and YYC-SLC are two easy targets. Why? So Delta can pulverize them? Its like they fly to ATL, DTW, MSP and other DL hubs, its called competition. of course Salt Lake City is a smaller O&D market but I think they do have a place there. and every ti...

As is being discussed in another thread; WestJet is adding YYC-ATL: https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1407333 Makes sense given their strong partnership with Delta. Does that mean we MIGHT finally see the 737-600 here? (That is if it has the range) Pretty sure WestJet keeps th...

A curious premise. Not to stray far from the topic but suppose (hypothetically) an accident involved an A320/A220 that was assembled in the US but operated by a non-US airline, would the NTSB take part in those investigations? Most likely they would not. It may have been assembled in the US but it ...

Good for him. I have a ton of respect for him and wish he was still at Delta in some way. Jim, Ed and Glen would be a hell of a management team. Fantastic. Congrats to Jim and his family. This has nothing to do with airlines except for the fact that he won’t be flying commercial any more. yes and no...

There are good arguments about which airport it belongs at, but I don’t understand the idea that ATL-TYO is in danger of losing service altogether. It has a long history of service with no feed on the TYO end. It connects one of the world’s largest cities to the world’s largest hub. That hub is loc...

Not really. They've tried DTW-SNA several times and it always fails. I realize that you’re negative on all things DTW, but since we’re discussing facts, please justify your statement. NW operates DTW-SNA continuously for over a decade, before dropping it as part of a network synergy — numerous seco...

Hong Kong was not under China then, but Great Britain. The handover was in 1997. The nonstop MSP HKG flight was 1998. In other words, there was a MSP China nonstop in 1998. The press release is wrong. Or, Delta is being naughty, slyly trolling and lying to everyone. Which I would not put past Delta...

"... first-ever nonstop China service from Minnesota." Does HKG count as China? MSP had service to there for a brief period in 1999. This is great news to see and hopefully it actually happens. NW considered this route when they ordered the 787, and now its finally gaining momentum but wi...

I don't buy the "LH technik is an advantage line." Considering that some competitor airlines send lots of their maintenance to third world countries, paying for maintenance in Germany must be unbelievably expensive for them. Lets face it: LH is a quasi-subsidized, too-big-to-fail, Euro me...

AA is asking for dormancy for 14 China frequencies. Does anyone think that DL will also petition for a LAX-PEK route, in addition to this MSP-PVG request? Starting two new routes to China seems very unlikely considering how conservative Delta, how bad LAX-PVG is doing for basically everyone, the bl...

Don't get Lufthansa's fleet policy. Potentially, adding another type, while still holding options for the A350. They seems to be the Thai Airways of western Europe: add all widebody types currently in service: they might operate the A330/B787/A350/B779/B748i/A380 by 2022 :shock: Or might the 787 be...

I'm curious...is Delta having Maintenance done @ LHR on the A330 fleet,if so who's doing it for them ? I notice you have an A333 went LHR-JFK after maintenance exit... I would assume that VS did the engine swap , as they also have A330s, and of course they have a maintenance hangar at LHR. highly u...

Is heavy maintenance done on these frames while they're going thru this cabin upgrade? #7007, N866DA, ferries from HND>SIN tomorrow, arriving early on 11/24: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/dl9931 IIRC at least most of them are having a heavy check tied into the cabin mods. Any word on w...

Well, AA just previewed its renovation of T4/T5. It looks really good, much better than Delta's . :lol: Coming from one of the most bias posters ever. Sure it does I looked at the news release on the AA website and it does look pretty impressive. http://news.aa.com/news/news-details/2018/American-A...

Years ago Delta fired a flight attendant for taking seductive photos on the 767. But she was fully clothed. But that was a different company. Delta used to be a traditional airline. Since the merger with NWA they moved to an ultra-modern anything goes type of philosophy. It has gone to the heads of...

I don't see the relevance of the fact that the participants were both men. This would've been equally unprofessional if it happened between a man and a woman, or between two women. Nor do I think the identity or vocation of the passenger is particularly relevant. The flight attendant WAS off duty, ...