Republicans lost because they thought it was "their turn" and felt they could get away with backing a political-class insider who had no convictions (he wasn't a conservative, that's for sure), ran an awful campaign, and insulted a lot of people both inside the party and out.

It was arrogance.

the only arrogance was on the part of the GOP leadership...and the RINO types Like Linda #'s who thought Mitt was the answer to our prayers.

It wasn't arrogance or an "our turn" attitude by the rank and file voters.

But that being said...it's awfully short sighted in your assessment to not include the complicit media...they were the best free advertising in the campaign for Obama 2012.

11-14-2012, 05:09 PM

m00

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Originally Posted by txradioguy

the only arrogance was on the part of the GOP leadership...and the RINO types Like Linda #'s who thought Mitt was the answer to our prayers.

It wasn't arrogance or an "our turn" attitude by the rank and file voters.

Yeah, I meant arrogance of the GOP leadership. The rank and file voters were put in a real bind, due to this arrogance.

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But that being said...it's awfully short sighted in your assessment to not include the complicit media...they were the best free advertising in the campaign for Obama 2012.

Yeah. I don't even know what we can do about this. But fortunately I think the traditional media organizations will die on their own in our lifetimes. It will go back to the way it used to be... "Hi, I'm Bob from the Lower South Minneapolis Enquirer Free Press... Mr. President, my hundreds of readers want to know about your stance on the Dairy Tax"... except the Internet version.

11-14-2012, 05:16 PM

Rockntractor

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The Takers don't outnumber the Makers. That's a myth. You honestly think every Democrat voter is a "taker"?

Do you honestly believe everyone on the left taker or not votes?

11-14-2012, 05:20 PM

Rockntractor

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Expect more of this...Conservatives lashing out at other Conservatives for the next 4 years. These last two consecutive losses is going to tear the Republican party in two. A torn R party won't win any more elections.

There is nothing there to tear in two, the Republican party is dead.

11-14-2012, 05:25 PM

m00

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Do you honestly believe everyone on the left taker or not votes?

Of course not. Voter turn-out historically is around 60% or less (no idea what it was for 2012) but it was 57.5% in 2008.

But just anecdotally, ever Democrat voter I know personally (family, friends, co-workers, etc) are all makers not takers. And they voted for Obama. We're talking people in the 60k+/yr income bracket... so solid middle class. They're not dumb, either. Or evil. Or filled with white guilt. It might come as a surprise, but perfectly rational, intelligent, productive people voted for Obama.

11-14-2012, 05:32 PM

Rockntractor

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Originally Posted by m00

Of course not. Voter turn-out historically is around 60% or less (no idea what it was for 2012) but it was 57.5% in 2008.

But just anecdotally, ever Democrat voter I know personally (family, friends, co-workers, etc) are all makers not takers. And they voted for Obama. We're talking people in the 60k+/yr income bracket... so solid middle class. They're not dumb, either. Or evil. Or filled with white guilt. It might come as a surprise, but perfectly rational, intelligent, productive people voted for Obama.

Did someone here say that every Democrat is on welfare?

11-14-2012, 05:45 PM

m00

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Did someone here say that every Democrat is on welfare?

That's the impression I got from the "Takers vs Makers" propositions playing out in the rightwing punditry, and in certain posts on this board. If I misread that, I apologize.

11-14-2012, 05:48 PM

Rockntractor

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Originally Posted by m00

That's the impression I got from the "Takers vs Makers" propositions playing out in the rightwing punditry, and in certain posts on this board. If I misread that, I apologize.

You have me confused, you are making up villains and arguing with them to practice or something?

11-14-2012, 06:00 PM

Rockntractor

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Originally Posted by m00

That's the impression I got from the "Takers vs Makers" propositions playing out in the rightwing punditry, and in certain posts on this board. If I misread that, I apologize.

You will have to help me here , I've been searching for "rightwing punditry" that say all democrats are on welfare and can't find any, how should I word the search?

11-14-2012, 06:33 PM

m00

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You will have to help me here , I've been searching for "rightwing punditry" that say all democrats are on welfare and can't find any, how should I word the search?

The short answer is – there are just more folks “on the take” then on the taxpaying “makers” who pay into the system.

The message is clear, Obama won because the "takers" (Democrats) outnumber the "makers" (Republicans). This is the impression I get from a lot of election post-mortems. You have a different interpretation of this narrative? Because that's how I read it.