Man I wonder what the back story to that clip is. Shooting a commercial? Showing off while a friend filmed? The camera person was in exactly the correct position, correct angle, correct lighting, correct zoom and focus....wasn't a coincidence. Also love to how bad the sailboat and rider were damaged.

It is generally accepted that cars can outcorner bikes right? Like on a racetrack where you have full use of the lane.

But what about on a public road, standard width lane? Do you think bikes especially sportbikes can take corners at higher speeds than cars, IF they both have to stay fully within their lane?

I see a lot of cars not just here, but also deals gap, and other places that cannot seem to take a corner at a decent speed, while maintaining proper lane position, and a lot of these are sport cars too, Miata's, Camaro's, 350Z's etc...

I think a bike can go faster in general since he can move around within his lane.

It is generally accepted that cars can outcorner bikes right? Like on a racetrack where you have full use of the lane.

But what about on a public road, standard width lane? Do you think bikes especially sportbikes can take corners at higher speeds than cars, IF they both have to stay fully within their lane?

I see a lot of cars not just here, but also deals gap, and other places that cannot seem to take a corner at a decent speed, while maintaining proper lane position, and a lot of these are sport cars too, Miata's, Camaro's, 350Z's etc...

I think a bike can go faster in general since he can move around within his lane.

I would think that a lot of drivers cut over the line a bit because they're afraid of the intensity of pushing the limit in the set curve

I still think 4 wheels > 2 wheels when it comes to lateral grip. You just see cars out of their lane more because the penalty isn't as high for screwing up un a cage.

I see your point and do agree that cages have more lateral grip, and the penalty is not as high.

I am basically saying since the average cage is 6' wide and the average bike 2', the bike has 8' to play with in a 10' wide lane where as the cage has 4' and the bike can therefore use that space to straighten the corners a little, which is what the cage wants to do, but can't without coming out of his lane, so he has to stay pretty much on a fixed track.

So with that in mind I am saying the bike can carry more speed into and thru the corner. My opinion of course!

Man I wonder what the back story to that clip is. Shooting a commercial? Showing off while a friend filmed? The camera person was in exactly the correct position, correct angle, correct lighting, correct zoom and focus....wasn't a coincidence. Also love to how bad the sailboat and rider were damaged.

Good point.

Doubt it was set up as a stunt though...

Sailboat is fine; the bike hit the dock.

Wonder how the bike fared?

Back in the oughts I lived on my sailboat for 4 years in Cali and Vangroovey, and parked above my boat.

I did get my bike down onto the dock, but I used the ramp...

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I see your point and do agree that cages have more lateral grip, and the penalty is not as high.

I am basically saying since the average cage is 6' wide and the average bike 2', the bike has 8' to play with in a 10' wide lane where as the cage has 4' and the bike can therefore use that space to straighten the corners a little, which is what the cage wants to do, but can't without coming out of his lane, so he has to stay pretty much on a fixed track.

So with that in mind I am saying the bike can carry more speed into and thru the corner. My opinion of course!

I read a 'shootout' in a moto journal years ago putting a then current sportbike up against, IIRC, a Corvette. The bike won the braking, acceleration (OK, physicists out there - it won just acceleration) but the 'vette had the corners.

I find it tough to believe that today's street legal automobiles would prevail over the hottest street legal bikes, though.