He said he'd reintroduce waterboarding and 'go farther'. As for my issues with deporting illegals, I just had this convo with poots earlier today, in this thread. Regardless of the illegality of them staying in this country after visas expired or just coming illegally in the first place, it is both morally wrong and financially wasteful to deport them now. So they broke the law, yes, but there are other considerations to be made. Only children think the law should be followed to the letter out of principle. Adults take real life into consideration. I'm not going to go into more detail, if you want you can read the convo from earlier.

Real life is that there are limited resources. No matter how liberal one wants to be, there has to be a number, a cap, on immigrants. Just know you have one as well and at that point, someone else who thinks it should be larger can claim you are being immoral.

But that's philosophical reality. In actuality the immigration influx is a Bolshevik re-do and at least Poland figured it out. Imagine that.

No refugees will be accepted in Poland, as they pose a threat to security, said the head Poland’s ruling Law and Justice party and former PM Jaroslaw Kaczynski, adding that Poland will oppose any law forcing EU members to pay €250,000 per refused refugee.

“After recent events connected with acts of terror [Poland] will not accept refugees because there is no mechanism that would ensure security,” Law and Justice (PiS) chair Kaczynski said on Saturday, as quoted by Radio Poland.

Poland is also staunchly against the European Commission proposal, announced last week, which would force EU member states to pay €250,000 per refused refugee.

If they are legal they become tax payers like everyone, it's not at our expense, goddamn I give the fuck up

Illegal immigrants who have already been essentially amnestied soak up government resources far more than they add to the tax base. Most of the money they make gets sent home and not filtered through local economies.

Also, it is a universal mathematical certainty that any government program or job CANNOT be created at a tax surplus. Most of those resources are stretched to the limit attending to illegals which puts strain on the systems to help all of those in need.

And in which nation do you want where this is considered compassionate? To have an illegal get more money than retirees IS A BOLSHEVIK MINDSET of divide and conquer through undermining the culture.

This is why central american gangs like MS-13 send their mules and guess what, THEY AIN'T TEENAGERS. Straight up thugs here to game the system, send the money back home and laugh there asses off as they get arrested for dealing, but the U.S. as a result of that, will provide airfare to their home country where they go and tell their friends how stupid Americans are.

why do anyone respond to poots? the way he purposely misses the point of everything to start arguments can be only the product of a fat ugly early middle age slightly balding girlfriendless manchild who can receive no other joy from life than by being a frustrating asshole on the internet

It is certainly not impossible nor ridiculous to deport 11 million people. If we do not respect our own immigration laws, why should Mexico? Enforce the law or change it. But changing it to allow unfettered immigration, then as Elpfinor says, give them $17 dollar minimum wage, free college, etc. at the expense of the middle class tax payer is simply idiotic.

It's really short sighted and it would be more of the expense of corporations and the super rich who benefit off the work of the poor.

Your argument sounds so much better when you say middle class, though. I understand what Limbaugh has done to you.

What's funny is he starts talking about strawman and then says $17 dollar minimum wage and free college like it's him that's going to be paying people "17 dollars an hour" and that everyone will all of a sudden go to college as if everyone wants to and will be accepted. You're such a dumb fucking dick. Doesn't it get tiring for you?

What's funny is he starts talking about strawman and then says $17 dollar minimum wage and free college like it's him that's going to be paying people "17 dollars an hour" and that everyone will all of a sudden go to college as if everyone wants to and will be accepted. You're such a dumb fucking dick. Doesn't it get tiring for you?

The min. wage is a big psy-op to throw the scent off the real culprits of economic imbalance (the central banks of the Fed Reserve).

What's more important is the purchasing power of the dollars you make, not the amount of dollars made per hour (check the inflation rate of Venezuela for the most recent example of why this is true). It's a backwards argument and the powers that be like it that way.

I can tell you first hand the philosophy of modern american education is that everybody should go to college. Mike Rowe of Dirty Jobs fame, of all people, has excellent analysis on the failure of the education system to ******* vocational studies as viable career options for students. But the education racket is stuck in a mode of the only worthy jobs are office cubicle ones.

“Hillary Clinton certainly is favored to win the presidential race this fall,” said Dean Debnam, president of Public Policy Polling. “But it might not be the giant blowout it’s been made out to be in some quarters.”

Debnam has given max donations to Democrats over the years and that's well within his right. His statement shows a bias here but also a realization the tides are shifting.

I think he was making the point, and rightly so, that more recent polls (from May) show the gap closing. Showing some poll from December, or even April, is not accurate anymore.

no duh the gap is closing, trump became the nominee. the far right side of that model shows the polls from this week although it doesn't label May yet on the x-axis. As the caption says, the model is updated every time a new poll is published

I've said it fuck knows how many times at this point, but matchups DO NOT matter until the nominees are cemented. I've said this over and fucking over, so you should know I'm not pointing out data from February like that's relevant. In the last 2 weeks or so, about the time when we can start looking at GE polls with some confidence, Clinton is way ahead of Trump. He has a lot of work to do to overcome a lead of 6-7 points.

and also I don't know what PPP poll TOC's Washington Times article is talking about (lol the washington times), because as you can clearly see right fucking up there on that graphic, the PPP poll released on the 9th shows Clinton with a 6 point lead

Clintons got too many skeletons in the closet. I think Trumps going to convincingly tear her to pieces once the debates take place.

The American public clearly desires an outsider to be the commander in chief and Clintons about as crookedly establishment as they come. I don't think Crooked Hillary's gonna fare as well as CNN sheep like RBG believe.

I was talking to my cousin earlier today from Seattle and she's seriously considering moving to Canada if Clinton wins the election. She's certain that Clintons gonna get the military involved in more pointless wars like the one she was wet over in Iraq and that the country's gonna turn to shit.

From what I hear theres seriously a legit anxiety that Clintons gonna win. I don't think this is going to be a slam dunk election by any means.