Moin Moin!
Can someone translate following Plattdeutsch for me and tell me how I should
respond.
Lot Di mol watt hörn!
Mfg
Jim Decker
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From: "Wilfried Petersen" <Wilfried.Petersen(a)t-online.de>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 5:42 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] Emigration Archives Question
<GenFritz(a)aol.com> schrieb:
> Could someone please tell me once you find your ancesters in the index and
> you write the e-mail address in my case
postelle(a)staatsarchiv-h.niedersachsen.de
> how long does it take them to answer you. It has been over 2 weeks now
since
> I have written requesting prices etc. Should I try writing again?
> _______________________________________________
Hello GenFritz,
have you really used the E-mail address mentioned above? Then it is wrong.
The right address is:
poststelle(a)staatsarchiv-h.niedersachsen.de
(with 2 "st" in poststelle).
Wilfried Petersen
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Hello everybody, I will introduce myself and post my questions. I am Rod Smyth and I live in Melbourne Australia. My great great grandfather emigrated to Australia and got married in South Australia in 1867. His name was Heinrich CRAMER and on his marriage certificate listed his place of birth as "Veener, Hanover" His approximate date of birth was 1840. His fathers name was also Heinrich and his father was described as an innkeeper. This is as much as I know. Can anyone help at all, as it is proving to be very difficult to track this ancestor down. Thanks very much to you all, Rod.

I have been receiving this list for some months and would like to post
my surnames and towns. I would be interested in hearing from anyone
researching these surnames or also researching in these particular areas.

I know that the Brandenburg name is very common in Germany. I am trying
to find descendents of my Great Grandmothers brothers that remained in
Germany. Their names were Adolph Wilhelm Brandenburg (born 1843),
Heinrich Wilhelm Brandenburg (born 1853) and August Theodore Brandenburg
(born 1857).

I would also be interested in knowing if anyone knows of records of
persons returning through the German ports from America. My Great
Great Grandmother went to America and then returned to Germany. I am
trying to trace her journey back to her son's in Germany.

Hello to All,
I have been receiving this list for some months and would like to post
my surnames and towns. I would be interested in hearing from anyone
researching these surnames or also researching in these particular areas.
Hagemann (from) von Langenbrügge
Schulz (from) von Wieren
Endeward/Endewardt (from) von Drohe, Bodenteich
Haselbach (from) von Celle
Lotzow (from) von Lüneburg (also von Mecklenburg)
Brandenburg (from) von Lüneburg und Bardowick
Meier (from) von Bardowick
Siemann (from) von Bardowick
Maack (from) von Bardowick
Kruse (from) von Bardowick
I know that the Brandenburg name is very common in Germany. I am trying
to find descendents of my Great Grandmothers brothers that remained in
Germany. Their names were Adolph Wilhelm Brandenburg (born 1843),
Heinrich Wilhelm Brandenburg (born 1853) and August Theodore Brandenburg
(born 1857).
I would also be interested in knowing if anyone knows of records of
persons returning through the German ports from America. My Great
Great Grandmother went to America and then returned to Germany. I am
trying to trace her journey back to her son's in Germany.
Thanks so much. (Danke!!!)
Joanne Becker
St. Michael, Minnesota

Need another location identified! You were so helpful in pinpointing
Steinau, Hanover for me as the birthplace of Claus Peter Knoche in 5/14/1832 & have
now discovered the birthplace of Christena Karsten was Hanover, Altendorf
Bulkan in 6/23/1837. She married Claus Peter Knoche in a Lutheran church in
Oster, Ehlienworth 3/31/1858. They emmigrated in May 1881 from Bremen to New
York and then on to Fort Wayne, IN. I have their information in the states
but surely could use some help in Germany!!
Thanks
Betty Knoche

Hi Rod,
I wonder if that town might be Weener. It is close to the Netherlands
and the Ems river. There are a lot of Kramers living in Weener today. There
are a lot of LDS films from there. Do you have an LDS center close to you?
Good luck,
Barbara
on 2/2/05 3:34 AM, Rod and Rosaria at rodandrosaria(a)ozemail.com.au wrote:
> Hello everybody, I will introduce myself and post my questions. I am Rod Smyth
> and I live in Melbourne Australia. My great great grandfather emigrated to
> Australia and got married in South Australia in 1867. His name was Heinrich
> CRAMER and on his marriage certificate listed his place of birth as "Veener,
> Hanover" His approximate date of birth was 1840. His fathers name was also
> Heinrich and his father was described as an innkeeper. This is as much as I
> know. Can anyone help at all, as it is proving to be very difficult to track
> this ancestor down. Thanks very much to you all, Rod.
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Hello everybody, I will introduce myself and post my
questions. I am Rod Smyth and I live in Melbourne
Australia. My great great grandfather emigrated to
Australia and got married in South Australia in 1867. His
name was Heinrich CRAMER and on his marriage certificate
listed his place of birth as "Veener, Hanover" His
approximate date of birth was 1840. His fathers name was
also Heinrich and his father was described as an
innkeeper. This is as much as I know. Can anyone help at
all, as it is proving to be very difficult to track this
ancestor down. Thanks very much to you all, Rod.

< Moin Moin!
< Can someone translate following Plattdeutsch for me and tell me how I should
< respond.
< Lot Di mol watt hörn!
"Moin" is Nethergerman (Plattdeutsch), the old language spoken in today Northern Germany by the Saxons and means "a good" As is sounds like "Morgen" (morning) in slang, also the German dialect in North Germany (Missingsch), some people, who don't know the original meaning of "Moin", add this to the frist one or dublicate it. In some rural parts of Schleswig people would call them gassy. Correct would be "Moin Morren" or "Moin Morgen"in Plattdeutsch for good morning (there are many dialects of the Saxon language, one of them is English ;-). Good day is Moin Dag, good wind is Moin Wind and a good meal would be "Moiet Eten" etc.
BTW: the today Saxons in Germany are not really Saxons, the title "Duke of the Saxons" moved from Lauenburg/Elbe to Anhalt and then to the county of Meissen, the today state "Sachsen"and the name moved with the title.
"Lot Di mal watt hörn" means "Let hear from you somewhat"
Best regards and moin Dag
Helmuth Gienke

Could it be Weener ? Veener is not present in Germany.
Weener is a small town in the Ostfriesland province, former a part of the Kingdom of Hannover, now State Niedersachsen. There you can find 27 Kramer addresses.
Check: www.weener.de
Werner Honkomp
> Hello everybody, I will introduce myself and post my questions. I am Rod
> Smyth and I live in Melbourne Australia. My great great grandfather
> emigrated to Australia and got married in South Australia in 1867. His
> name was Heinrich CRAMER and on his marriage certificate listed his place
> of birth as "Veener, Hanover" His approximate date of birth was 1840. His
> fathers name was also Heinrich and his father was described as an
> innkeeper. This is as much as I know. Can anyone help at all, as it is
> proving to be very difficult to track this ancestor down. Thanks very
> much to you all, Rod.
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> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
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Hello,
vielleicht kann ich helfen
Alle Orte liegen im Land Kreis Hadeln.Zwischen Stade und Cuxhaven.
Gruß Barbara
>Need another location identified! You were so helpful in pinpointing
>Steinau, Hanover for me as the birthplace of Claus Peter Knoche in
5/14/1832 & have
>now discovered the birthplace of Christena Karsten was
Hanover, Altendorf
>Bulkan BÜLKAU in 6/23/1837. She married Claus Peter Knoche in
a Lutheran church in
>Oster OSTEN, Ehlienworth IHLIENWORTH3/31/1858. They emmigrated in
May 1881 from Bremen to New All in thr near from CUXHAVEN
>York and then on to Fort Wayne, IN. I have their information in the
states
>but surely could use some help in Germany!!
>Thanks
>Betty Knoche
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Hi Betty,
Bülkau is north and a little east of Steinau and west of Cadenberge.
I'm not sure how Altendorf fits in there. The LDS have church records for
Bülkau.
Barbara
on 2/2/05 9:34 AM, BGKnoche(a)aol.com at BGKnoche(a)aol.com wrote:
> Need another location identified! You were so helpful in pinpointing
> Steinau, Hanover for me as the birthplace of Claus Peter Knoche in 5/14/1832
> & have
> now discovered the birthplace of Christena Karsten was Hanover, Altendorf
> Bulkan in 6/23/1837. She married Claus Peter Knoche in a Lutheran church in
> Oster, Ehlienworth 3/31/1858. They emmigrated in May 1881 from Bremen to New
> York and then on to Fort Wayne, IN. I have their information in the states
> but surely could use some help in Germany!!
> Thanks
> Betty Knoche
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Hello Betty,
all locations you are asking for have been identified by Barbara.
However, there exists no connection between the places Osten and Ihlienworth.
Acc. to my understanding Claus Peter Knoche and Christina Karsten married in
Ihlienwort at EASTER
(in German OSTERN) which was the day March 31, 1858.
Albin von Spreckelsen

Heinrich Wilhelm Gerig[s] was born in Bockenem in about 1831-1835. His
father was Wilhelm Gerig[s]who was deceased by 1880. Heinrich Wilhelm Gerig[s]
died in England in 1884. Heinrich Wilhelm Gerig[s] was in England by at least
1867.
Has anyone came across this surname or this family in Bockenem?
Thank you.
Chris

Hi Chris:
I don't know if you have located Bockenem on the map, but
it is south and a little east of Hanover.
The following is a URL from the Family History
Center/LDS/Mormons.
Germany, Preußen, Hanover, Bockenem
It lists an assortment of records which the FHC has
available
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp
You can find the nearest FHC by using this page.
Good luck,
Gale
On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 08:08:02 EST
JAZZIE2581(a)aol.com wrote:

Heinrich Wilhelm Gerig[s] was born in Bockenem in about
1831-1835. His
father was Wilhelm Gerig[s]who was deceased by 1880.
Heinrich Wilhelm Gerig[s]
died in England in 1884. Heinrich Wilhelm Gerig[s] was
in England by at least
1867.
Has anyone came across this surname or this family in
Bockenem?

Firstly, thanks so much for the great feedback. To answer Yvonne, I do subscribe to the AUS-GERMAN-L service. I haven't had any luck there at all, so I may re-post just to see what happens. To answer Barbara, thanks for a great suggestion about Veener=Weener. I will begin to dig at my local LDS centre here in Caulfield, Melbourne.
Thanks again,
Cheers, Rod

I'm trying to gather any information possible on what type of uniform is
worn in the image linked below. This is a tintype which was with other
family photos in my grandparents house. My guess is that it is either
German or Polish and was hoping someone here might have an idea.

Hi Joel:
I don't have anything right off hand, but after looking at
the picture, the only symbol of any sort seems to be the
belt buckle. Have you tried to find out if there is any
meaning to it? Maybe someone else can answer that
question.
There was a querie, on this list, sometime ago, which
discussed uniforms and there was a web site which had
photos and an e-mail contact for people who have found new
photos of uniforms. I can't find it in my maze of
address, but maybe someone on the list can come up with
it.
Click on the URL at the end of the inquiries:
http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l

Select the language you want and select Hannover-L
Archives, then click on Zur Archivsuche. Search for
uniforms. There are 30 old inquires about uniforms.

I'm trying to gather any information possible on what
type of uniform is worn in the image linked below. This
is a tintype which was with other family photos in my
grandparents house. My guess is that it is either German
or Polish and was hoping someone here might have an idea.

The following is an excellent website for German Uniforms. Tony, the
owner of the website is as exceptionally knowledgeable on German
uniforms. My suggestion is to send him as high a resolution scan of
your photo as possible for identification and if you have the
capability, even do a little photo enhancing on the scanned image. The
better the photo the more detailed description he might be able to
provide. He might even be able to identify, for example, the cuffs of
the uniform and any braiding on the collar.
If it might be Polish, ask him if he knows of anyone the would
specialilze in Polish uniforms.

Hallo,
I am looking for Frederick K Stuckwish born about
1794-96. born "Hannover"
His wife was Louisa,born abt 1799
The children born in "Hannover" were:
Johann Heinrich(John Henry) abt 1831
Frederick K. abt 1835
Rudolph abt 1835
William abt 1838
Anna abt 1839
Louisa abt 1843
As they settled in Indiana next to Stuckwischs from
Venne I thought they were from there but genealogist
Udo Thoerner said they were not.
Also Werner Honkomp stated they did not appear to be
from the Oldenburg area.
I contacted the Niedersächsisches Staatsarchiv in
Osnabrück who informed me that the family apparently
were not part of "legal emigration"
They suggested I try the guestbook of www. osfa. de,
the Familienforschung society of Osnabrück. They also
suggested that Falk Liebezeit could help. I have
tried the address they provided but have not got an
answer. I see from recent posting on this site he has
a different e-mail. I will forward a copy to him.
I appreciate any help you might give.
Sincerely, Jerome Mindrup
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Hi Jerry,
The Osnabrück emigration archives list Stuckwischs from Venne,
Ostercappeln, and Belm.
The LDS site lists Stuckwisch from Venne, Badbergen, and Niewedde.
If you run a search on the German telephone book, you will find a
number of persons by the name of Stuckwisch living today in that same
general area. You could try contacting someone there about your family.
Stuckwisch is not a common name--so you could look at LDS film for many
of the towns in that area. That would take a lot of time -- that is the
older and harder way to find ancestors. Without any other clues, I don't
see any other obvious way online to find your ancestors. Sorry!
Barbara
on 2/9/05 5:14 PM, jerry at malbergen(a)yahoo.com wrote:
> Stuckwish

Here the Stuckwisch addresses of Venne, as part of Ostercappeln:
Stuckwisch, Frank
Schwarzer Moorweg 1
49179 Ostercappeln
Stuckwisch, Friedel
Schwarzer Moorweg 1
49179 Ostercappeln
Stuckwisch, Gerd-Jürgen
Engterstr. 12
49179 Ostercappeln
Stuckwisch, Günter
Lutterdamm 39
49179 Ostercappeln
Stuckwisch, Gustav
Lutterdamm 43
49179 Ostercappeln
Stuckwisch, Ralf
Immenkamp 11
49179 Ostercappeln
Stuckwisch, Wilfried
Immenkamp 11
49179 Ostercappeln
The last address is real in Venne, the other a little outside to north.
Werner
> Hallo,
> I am looking for Frederick K Stuckwish born about
> 1794-96. born "Hannover"
> His wife was Louisa,born abt 1799
> The children born in "Hannover" were:
> Johann Heinrich(John Henry) abt 1831
> Frederick K. abt 1835
> Rudolph abt 1835
> William abt 1838
> Anna abt 1839
> Louisa abt 1843
> As they settled in Indiana next to Stuckwischs from
> Venne I thought they were from there but genealogist
> Udo Thoerner said they were not.
> Also Werner Honkomp stated they did not appear to be
> from the Oldenburg area.
> I contacted the Niedersächsisches Staatsarchiv in
> Osnabrück who informed me that the family apparently
> were not part of "legal emigration"
> They suggested I try the guestbook of www. osfa. de,
> the Familienforschung society of Osnabrück. They also
> suggested that Falk Liebezeit could help. I have
> tried the address they provided but have not got an
> answer. I see from recent posting on this site he has
> a different e-mail. I will forward a copy to him.
> I appreciate any help you might give.
> Sincerely, Jerome Mindrup
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The emigrant ship Johanne ran aground with 216 passengers and the thirteen-headed crew on November 6th, 1854 in front of the German North Sea island of Spiekeroog. 77 emigrants drowned.
The destination of the three mast barque Johanne was Baltimore at the American East coast and came from Bremen.
The passengers got by almost from Württemberg, low Bavarians and south Hessians.
The municipality of Kaufing in Hesse has attached a plaque for the citizens being from Kaufing on the cemetery of Spiekeroog: Anna Elisabeth Friedrich, April born 14th, 1811, August Jacob Friedrich, April born 23rd, 1838, Carl Wilhelm Friedrich, May born 17th, 1842, Marie Elisabeth Vollmer, December born 7th, 1837, Friedrich Vollmer, December born 13th, 1839, August Vollmer, January born 11th, 1842, Anna Elisabeth Vollmer, March born 20th, 1847.
See also: www.spiekeroog.de
Werner Honkomp
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Ziegelhofstr. 35b www.honkomp-oldenburg.de
26121 Oldenburg Tel: 0441-87230, Fax: 0441-883499

Hi Barbie,
I grew up in Randolph Co., Ruma which is south of Red Bud, down Route 3. I remember the name Huetsch. I have a relative living in New Hannover.
Betty in St. Louis
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Hiya,
What is interesting about Randolph County Illinois...is that there is a
little town called New Hannover in the area. :)
I have some distant ancestors Huetsch + Feldhaus who lived in Redbud.
Barbie
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Betty in St. Louis
Are you looking for ancestors in Hanover Germany? Is New Hannover a town in Illinois? I am looking for Julius Burgdorf born in Hildesheim in Hanover. Do you have experience in searching German records for ancestors? I just started and am going nowhere. I was born in New Orleans but now live in Chesterfield Mo.
Max
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Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] Illinois Randolf County
Hi Barbie,
I grew up in Randolph Co., Ruma which is south of Red Bud, down Route 3. I remember the name Huetsch. I have a relative living in New Hannover.
Betty in St. Louis
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Hiya,
What is interesting about Randolph County Illinois...is that there is a
little town called New Hannover in the area. :)
I have some distant ancestors Huetsch + Feldhaus who lived in Redbud.
Barbie
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Hello Max,
At this point, I believe that my gggrandfather Henry Hess was born in Hannover. Have not found a village yet. But Henry Hess in Hannover is like John Smith in Missouri. I have a copy of a Naturalization Document that I believe is his and it says he was from Hannover. Of course, things that seem correct sometimes become incorrect. I am currently trying to establish some concrete proof of the Hannover info. So I am not searching Hannover right now.
Sorry, I just looked at the map and I am mixing up New Hannover with New Baden.
There is a Hannover or New Hannover in southern Illinois. Right now I don't see it on the map. It might be too small a town to be listed on the map.
There are Burgdorfs living in Red Bud, Randolph County, Illinois. Red Bud is down Route 3 which runs right along the river.
I suggest you go to Rootsweb.com and look at their mailing lists. They have them for surname, localities and countries. There is one for Hannover, Germany. You might find someone else searching your name.
I did that last summer and professional researchers contacted me through the lists. I ended up going to Germany and met these three men who helped me search. They had done some preliminary work and knew where to look. I hired them to help me. I was with a daughter who had studied German last summer and that was a big help in our searching. I found actural relatives there.
The lists are a great way to go. When you send an e-mail to the list, everyone on that list gets your e-mail. Therefore, you get help from many people.
I have a son who lives in Chesterfield.
Good luck,
Betty in St. Louis
Max Burgdorf <pharmaxx(a)msn.com> wrote:
Betty in St. Louis
Are you looking for ancestors in Hanover Germany? Is New Hannover a town in Illinois? I am looking for Julius Burgdorf born in Hildesheim in Hanover. Do you have experience in searching German records for ancestors? I just started and am going nowhere. I was born in New Orleans but now live in Chesterfield Mo.
Max
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From: Elizabeth Carpenter
To: Hannover-L
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] Illinois Randolf County
Hi Barbie,
I grew up in Randolph Co., Ruma which is south of Red Bud, down Route 3. I remember the name Huetsch. I have a relative living in New Hannover.
Betty in St. Louis
Cactus Flower > wrote:
Hiya,
What is interesting about Randolph County Illinois...is that there is a
little town called New Hannover in the area. :)
I have some distant ancestors Huetsch + Feldhaus who lived in Redbud.
Barbie
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No year is mentioned in this request. Currently, I am looking at a very
long film which includes my area of interest 1810-1815 of Steinlah/Haverlah
parish in Westphalia. This film includes 1792 onward of all the Communities
in the Canton of Salzgitter, etc. The names you mention are also in this
film in various communities of the Canton(s).
Rena in England

I think the town you are looking for in Hannover may be Veerse (post code)
27383, 4 km from the village of Scheeßel on a map. After checking the
German phone book for a church address and the Internet webpage, the parish
of Scheeßel seems to be the place to contact, the nearest sizeable town is
Rotenburg, (Wümme).

According to the birth certificate of Mary Ann Katherine Cramer dated 10
August 1869 it clearly states that her father was Henry Cramer, occupation
Labourer, aged 29 years, place of birth was Veerse, Hanover. Henry's wife
was Margaret Mc Namara aged 25 years from Limerick. Is this the family you
are researching? The hand writing on Henry's marriage certificate may have
been difficult to read or the place of his birth may have been misspelt,
have you any other documents? Have you checked to see if he was
naturalized? If you send me a scan of his marriage certificate "offline" I
can compare it with the image I have in my files.

If you are trying to locate records from the church in Germany, I suggest
that you e-mail Pastor Wilke at <Ulrich.Wilke(a)web.de> at St Lucas Kirche
Scheeßel, or e-mail him direct from his webpage at
http://www.kirche-scheessel.de just click on his name at the bottom of the
page. You can ask him if he has any Cramer's recorded in the Veerse
registers, write in English and keep your inquiry very brief.

The LDS Mormons have also filmed some of the Scheeßel registers from
1715-1852, see films 1189539, 1189540 and 1189540.

Check the Family History Library Catalog at www.familysearch.org go to the
right hand side of the screen you will see the words
 Search the Family History Library Catalog for records and
resources Click on these words and then another menu appears, do a place
search by typing in Scheessel or Scheeßel, in the top box, then Germany in
the box below, the results will appear, just print these off and take them
to your nearest Mormon Library and order the films.

Hello everybody, I will introduce myself and post my questions. I am Rod
Smyth and I live in Melbourne Australia. My great great grandfather
emigrated to Australia and got married in South Australia in 1867. His name
was Heinrich CRAMER and on his marriage certificate listed his place of
birth as "Veener, Hanover" His approximate date of birth was 1840. His
fathers name was also Heinrich and his father was described as an
innkeeper. This is as much as I know. Can anyone help at all, as it is
proving to be very difficult to track this ancestor down. Thanks very much
to you all, Rod.

FYI: There is also another Hanover in the NW corner of IL near the Mississippi River and a Hanover Park in the NE very near to Elgin where my grandmother and three of her sisters settled. The area is full of other German names. Jane
Jane Swan
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I don´t think that "Veener" is identical with Veerse (you could check with
the expert on the Scheesel parish Jurgen Hoops (mailto
info(a)hoops-archive.de)), but rather the town of Weener located in
Ostfriesland (East Frisia) which became part of the Kingdom of Hannover in
1815 until 1866 when both were annected by Prussia.

To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 9:58 PM
Subject: [HN] Cramer Heinrich
Hello Rod,
I think the town you are looking for in Hannover may be Veerse (post code)
27383, 4 km from the village of Scheeßel on a map. After checking the
German phone book for a church address and the Internet webpage, the parish
of Scheeßel seems to be the place to contact, the nearest sizeable town is
Rotenburg, (Wümme).
According to the birth certificate of Mary Ann Katherine Cramer dated 10
August 1869 it clearly states that her father was Henry Cramer, occupation
Labourer, aged 29 years, place of birth was Veerse, Hanover. Henry's wife
was Margaret Mc Namara aged 25 years from Limerick. Is this the family you
are researching? The hand writing on Henry's marriage certificate may have
been difficult to read or the place of his birth may have been misspelt,
have you any other documents? Have you checked to see if he was
naturalized? If you send me a scan of his marriage certificate "offline" I
can compare it with the image I have in my files.
If you are trying to locate records from the church in Germany, I suggest
that you e-mail Pastor Wilke at <Ulrich.Wilke(a)web.de> at St Lucas Kirche
Scheeßel, or e-mail him direct from his webpage at
http://www.kirche-scheessel.de just click on his name at the bottom of the
page. You can ask him if he has any Cramer's recorded in the Veerse
registers, write in English and keep your inquiry very brief.
The LDS Mormons have also filmed some of the Scheeßel registers from
1715-1852, see films 1189539, 1189540 and 1189540.
Check the Family History Library Catalog at www.familysearch.org go to the
right hand side of the screen you will see the words
. Search the Family History Library Catalog for records and
resources Click on these words and then another menu appears, do a place
search by typing in Scheessel or Scheeßel, in the top box, then Germany in
the box below, the results will appear, just print these off and take them
to your nearest Mormon Library and order the films.
I hope this helps,
Elizabeth
in Australia
You wrote:
Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 21:34:56 +1100
Subject: [HN] CRAMER-emigrated to Australia
Hello everybody, I will introduce myself and post my questions. I am Rod
Smyth and I live in Melbourne Australia. My great great grandfather
emigrated to Australia and got married in South Australia in 1867. His name
was Heinrich CRAMER and on his marriage certificate listed his place of
birth as "Veener, Hanover" His approximate date of birth was 1840. His
fathers name was also Heinrich and his father was described as an
innkeeper. This is as much as I know. Can anyone help at all, as it is
proving to be very difficult to track this ancestor down. Thanks very much
to you all, Rod.
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In Weener you can find 26 Kramer addresses, one is a teacher:
Johann H. Kramer O.Std.Rat
Bürgermeister-Werner-Str. 49
26826 Weener
Germany
Maybe he can help! Good luck,
Werner Honkomp
> Hello Elisabeth, hello Rod,
> I don´t think that "Veener" is identical with Veerse (you could check with
> the expert on the Scheesel parish Jurgen Hoops (mailto
> info(a)hoops-archive.de)), but rather the town of Weener located in
> Ostfriesland (East Frisia) which became part of the Kingdom of Hannover in
> 1815 until 1866 when both were annected by Prussia.
> I suggest you write to
> Evangelische Kirchengemeinde
> Norderstr. 44
> D-26826 Weener
> Good luck
> Jurgen
--------------------------
> You wrote:
> Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 21:34:56 +1100
> Subject: [HN] CRAMER-emigrated to Australia
> Hello everybody, I will introduce myself and post my questions. I am Rod
> Smyth and I live in Melbourne Australia. My great great grandfather
> emigrated to Australia and got married in South Australia in 1867. His
> name
> was Heinrich CRAMER and on his marriage certificate listed his place of
> birth as "Veener, Hanover" His approximate date of birth was 1840. His
> fathers name was also Heinrich and his father was described as an
> innkeeper. This is as much as I know. Can anyone help at all, as it is
> proving to be very difficult to track this ancestor down. Thanks very much
> to you all, Rod.

To all listers living or visiting in Florida: FYI: I shall be giving a talk to the German SIG of the Sarasota Genealogical Society on 23 March at 0930 EST - location to be announced next week. Also, I shall be addressing the Charlotte Co. Genealogical Society on 18 May at 230 PM at St. James Church Hall in Port Charlotte. The theme will be "Why did they come?" and, of course, I shall be talking about my books, particularly the third volume of The Saxon Chronicle - The Millers' Daughters. Both events are open to the public and I hope some of you will be able to come. I should love to meet you. Jane
Jane Swan
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Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.

You need to come up to Cleveland. Wait at least until May so you don't get
snowed in, unless you like snow. Lake Erie and the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame
is a nice place to see. E-mail, if you are coming up to the great white North.
Eric

Thank you for your advice and help. I have contacted Jürgen Hoops and he is
unable to find Heinrich's birth in Veerse or Scheessel.

Rod needs to establish the correct name of the town his ancestor came from
in Germany. I am a volunteer member of a German Interest Group here in
Australia, our members are called upon to assist beginners with their
problems locating records in Germany.

I had an inquiry from another researcher about the birth place of Heinrich
Cramer/Kramer some time ago. This researcher gave me a copy of her
ancestor's birth certificate. The father of the child was Heinrich Cramer
and his place of birth is very clearly spelt VEERSE. I did not suggest to
the list that VEENER was identical with Veerse. Thank you for the very
useful information about the history of Weener.

I have now ordered Heinrich Cramer's naturalization certificate from South
Australia to see if his birth place is given, however I suspect that these
documents may just say Hanover.

I will be in contact with Rod off line and hope that between all of us we
will be able to help Rod locate the correct place of birth for Heinrich Kramer.

Thank you once again for your kindness, I will suggest to Rob it may be
good idea to write to Evangelische Kirchengemeinde and to Johann H Kramer
in Weener. Hopefully he may be able to locate the church records he needs
from Weener.

Please keep answering our questions, here in Australia we need all the help
we can get, it is very difficult to know exactly which church to contact in
these smaller villages.

I don´t think that "Veener" is identical with Veerse (you could check with
the expert on the Scheesel parish Jurgen Hoops (mailto
info(a)hoops-archive.de)), but rather the town of Weener located in
Ostfriesland (East Frisia) which became part of the Kingdom of Hannover in
1815 until 1866 when both were annected by Prussia.

I suggest you write to
Evangelische Kirchengemeinde
Norderstr. 44
D-26826 Weener
Good luck
Jurgen
----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth" <aliens(a)bigpond.net.au>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 9:58 PM
Subject: [HN] Cramer Heinrich
Hello Rod,
I think the town you are looking for in Hannover may be Veerse (post code)
27383, 4 km from the village of Scheeßel on a map. After checking the
German phone book for a church address and the Internet webpage, the parish
of Scheeßel seems to be the place to contact, the nearest sizeable town is
Rotenburg, (Wümme).
According to the birth certificate of Mary Ann Katherine Cramer dated 10
August 1869 it clearly states that her father was Henry Cramer, occupation
Labourer, aged 29 years, place of birth was Veerse, Hanover.

Conrad Schnable came to Canada as a Hessian Jaeger in June/July of
1777. I would like to find some information on Konrad/Conrad and
Elizabeth Barbe Pfeiffer prior to them coming to Canada. I will be
in Germany this summer and hope to visit both Martinhagen and the
Archives in Marburg in Hesse. Any help would be very much
appreciated. Unfortunately a speak no Germany. Below is some
information. My website is [1]www.jackpscott.shawbiz.ca Regards Jack
Scott (nee Schnob)
We now have Konrad Schnabel's place of birth as 34270
Schauenburg-Martinhagen. This is just west of the City of Kassel in
Hessen.
It is thought that Conrad Schnabel was from Stadholdendorf, Germany
just south of Hannover. This location appears to be incorrect. It
now appears it is Martinhagen near Kassel in Germany
Schnabel Konrad HAJ2 Hessan-Hanua Chasseur Corp S#100p10
Kornrumpff Company
They arrived on the military ship "Dorothy Elizabeth" from England to
Newfoundland around and before July 12, 1777.
Conrad was a Hessen-Hanau Jaeger serving in the Kornrumpff, later
called Castendyck Company according to Hetrina VI numbered the 2nd
Company Which arrived in Quebec June 1777
Conrad was discharged in 1783 (Creutzbourg); Labourer and his wife
Barbara Elisabeth, Baptised son Christian Sept 29th, 1785 at Holy
Trinity Anglican, Quebec ( From Book by Virginia DeMarce
The God Parents of Jean-Baptiste Chenable were Sebastien Burgey and
Marie Primeau
This company that took part in St. Leger's expedition to fort Stanwix
in July 1777 under Premier Lt. Jacob Hildebrandt. A report on this
expedition you can find in Gavin K. Watt's Book " Rebellion in the
Mohawk Valley" published in 2002.
It is not sure if Conrad Schnabel went on this exact expedition as
some of the company was delayed in departing as his name appears as
one of 18 Jaegers who had to board a different ship in England. The
ship had to stop in Newfoundland first and may not have reached.
You will also note the many different birth places of the 7 children.
This would be because the company was moved to various areas and
thusly the children were born in different towns or villages.
Jack P. Scott, SCSM
President
SQP Shopping Ctr & Property Mgmt Recruiters
# 103 15165 Marine Dr.
White Rock, B.C. V4B-1C5
Ph 604-538-1474
Fax 604-538-2080
Email: sqp(a)axion.net
References
1. http://www.jackpscott.shawbiz.ca/

Hi Yvonne: I'm afraid the talk would be too long to put on this list. However, the best way to read about what I shall talk about (and in far more detail) is to buy my books THE SAXON CHRONICLE See my website http://saxonchronicle.hypermart.net for ordering info. Marlene in Brisbane has bought them and loved them - altho it does take forever to get them to Australia. AT least 90% of the reasons they came to America are the same ones that would have sent them to your side of the world. Only one or two are unique to America. I'm sure you will enjoy the books. Thanks for your interest. Jane
Jane Swan
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Hi Eric: Thanks, but no thanks. I hate snow - I used to live in the great white north - the 'snow belt' south of Lake Ontario - which is why I now live in Florida. Altho I do occasionally do talks to genealogical and other groups up north during the summer. Jane
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hello,
looking for any information on Johann Hinrich Gruenhagen`s day resp. place of
birth, marriage or death. He was a shepherd between 1743 and 1768 in Luhne in
the parish of Rotenburg/W.
Appreciating any hint.
Albin von Spreckelsen

I know very little of this Johann Friedrich Groenhagen / Gruenhagen (oe and
ue both "umlauts").
He was born around 1701 as a son of Wilhelm G., Pachtschaefer (ae =
"umlaut") in Luhne and died in Helvesiek, Scheessel parish, where he lived
as a Haeusling (ae="umlaut") at that time. He was burried in Scheessel on
15th Feb. 1760.
One son of him, Christoph, born around 1735, was also a shephard in Luhne.
He died there on 13th April 1779.
Another one, Johann Henrich Wilhelm, was born in Luhne on 20th June and
baptized in Rotenburg on 23rd June 1743. His mother´s name is not mentioned
in the entry.

I know very little of this Johann Friedrich Groenhagen / Gruenhagen (oe
and ue both "umlauts").
He was born around 1701 as a son of Wilhelm G., Pachtschaefer (ae =
"umlaut") in Luhne and died in Helvesiek, Scheessel parish, where he lived
as a Haeusling (ae="umlaut") at that time. He was burried in Scheessel on
15th Feb. 1760.
One son of him, Christoph, born around 1735, was also a shephard in Luhne.
He died there on 13th April 1779.
Another one, Johann Henrich Wilhelm, was born in Luhne on 20th June and
baptized in Rotenburg on 23rd June 1743. His mother´s name is not
mentioned in the entry.

I am looking for a connection or information to my Great Great Grandparents
Ernst Heinrich Sielehr (DOB January 1851)and Caroline Florentina Thies (DOB
June 10, 1852). They list Hannover as country of origion. Ernst has an
emigration year of 1871 and Caroline emigrated from Bremen in late July or early
August of 1872. Caroline arrived in Baltimore, Maryland, U.S.A. on August 12,
1872. Her destination was Cleveland, Ohio. She crossed the ocean on a ship
named Hermine. It is possible that Ernst came from Buer. I suspect a brother
also emigrated to Cleveland, Ohio. His name was Henry (Heinrich) Sielehr. Henry
listed Buer as his place of emigration. Their father's name was William
(Wilhelm) and their mother's name was Maria Ellbrecht. William was born in 1821 and
I suspect he emigrated in April of 1882 along with Henry. Heinrich and
Florentina Thies were the parents of Caroline. I have extensive genealogy of Ernst
and Caroline's descendants. Note: Caroline also went by the name Lena. They
were of the Lutheran (Evangelische) faith.
Rick Wagner

Jürgen and Albin: Do you know if your Johann Heinrich Grünhagen had a daughter Anna Margarethe? I have her in my tree, married to Johann Heinrich Ludwig Bergmann before 1750 when their son Johann Christoph Ludwig Bergmann was born in Rodewald. Unfortunately the churchbooks in Rodewald were destroyed in a fire so I have no further info. I know Rodewald is quite a distance from Scheesel but the elder Bergmann was a miller and they wandered. I should appreciate any info you might have on Anna Margarethe Grünhagen. Thanks. Jane
Jane Swan
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Hi Jane and Yvonne,
I'm back reading my emails again - I've been sidetracked with other
priorities lately. I'd like to reiterate that I did enjoy your wonderful
books (the first two) very much and have been meaning to get a letter to the
publishers in America to order the third. My family have been reading them
also (we are a big family) and those who have read the books are looking
forward to reading the third one.
I'm also looking forward in a few months (when I've sorted out the other
priorities) to pursuing family history projects once again, ie the Daniels,
Godes, Blickwedels, Thieles, Lindemans, Eggelings, Bruns, Graves etc. I'm
amazed at home much history you learn along the way.
With regards to "why did they come" - our german family came after the first
world war. My grandfather left the Bremen area first in 1924 and went to
Holland, South Africa (we think) and then Australia looking to begin a
business or find work. He owned a business, but after the war and with the
very high inflation, the business floundered. My grandmother and her three
children followed in 1929, when her father and uncle retrieved the children
from an orphanage and paid for the passage of my grandmother and her three
children to join their father and husband. I have doubts that my
grandmother wanted to leave Germany. Life in Australia for the family at
that time proved to be very difficult. My grandfather was sick and died
five years after his family joined him.
I think in Australia a lot of German families came out in the late 1870's or
1880's which was when the Gode's, a branch of our German family, went to
America. Why were people leaving Germany at that time?
Must go
regards
Marlene
Brisbane, Australia
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jane Swan" <jeswansong(a)earthlink.net>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 1:39 PM
Subject: [HN] Re: Why did they come?
> Hi Yvonne: I'm afraid the talk would be too long to put on this list.
However, the best way to read about what I shall talk about (and in far more
detail) is to buy my books THE SAXON CHRONICLE See my website
http://saxonchronicle.hypermart.net for ordering info. Marlene in Brisbane
has bought them and loved them - altho it does take forever to get them to
Australia. AT least 90% of the reasons they came to America are the same
ones that would have sent them to your side of the world. Only one or two
are unique to America. I'm sure you will enjoy the books. Thanks for your
interest. Jane
>
>
> Jane Swan
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Sorry, but there is no person with such a name related to the Rotenburg
Grünhagens at that time.
In Hauptstaatsarchiv Hannover there are "Ehestiftungen" (marriage contracts)
for Amt Neustadt am Rübenberge to which Rodewald belonged for the period
1720 to 1859. Maybe among these documents you may find your ancestors.
Presently I do not see any connection between the Rodewald and the Rotenburg
Grünhagens.

Jürgen and Albin: Do you know if your Johann Heinrich Grünhagen had a
daughter Anna Margarethe? I have her in my tree, married to Johann
Heinrich Ludwig Bergmann before 1750 when their son Johann Christoph
Ludwig Bergmann was born in Rodewald. Unfortunately the churchbooks in
Rodewald were destroyed in a fire so I have no further info. I know
Rodewald is quite a distance from Scheesel but the elder Bergmann was a
miller and they wandered. I should appreciate any info you might have on
Anna Margarethe Grünhagen. Thanks. Jane

Looking for the parents or ancesters of Konrad Schnable a Hessian
Hanua Jaeger about 1777. He married Elizabeth Barbe Jaeger in Hesse
prior to coming to Canada.
I have a great deal on him after their arrival in Canada but nothing
prior. I will be in Germany this summer in July so would like to
find as much as I can prior to that.
He was apparently born about 1750 in Martinhagen near Kassel area.
His military background is below. Regards Jack
Schnabel Konrad HAJ2 Hessan-Hanua Chasseur Corp S#100p10
Kornrumpff Company
They arrived on the military ship "Dorothy Elizabeth" from England to
Newfoundland around and before July 12, 1777.
Conrad was a Hessen-Hanau Jaeger serving in the Kornrumpff, later
called Castendyck Company according to Hetrina VI numbered the 2nd
Company Which arrived in Quebec June 1777
Jack P. Scott, (nee Schnob/Schnable)
# 103 15165 Marine Dr.
White Rock, B.C. V4B-1C5
Ph 604-538-1474
Fax 604-538-2080
Email: sqp(a)axion.net

Hello,
If you do a Google search for "kirche Martinhagen" - you will find a
this:
Ev. Kirchengemeinde Martinhagen
Pfarramt Martinhagen
Telefon (05601) 1545
Pfarrerin Cathrin Szameit
That is not terribly helpful, I know. However, you might try calling there
and maybe learn where the church records are located. The LDS only has a
few records in the early 1800's. It could be that earlier records are
located somewhere else.
Good luck.
Barbara
on 2/21/05 6:24 PM, Jack Scott at sqp(a)axion.net wrote:
>
> Looking for the parents or ancesters of Konrad Schnable a Hessian
> Hanua Jaeger about 1777. He married Elizabeth Barbe Jaeger in Hesse
> prior to coming to Canada.
> I have a great deal on him after their arrival in Canada but nothing
> prior. I will be in Germany this summer in July so would like to
> find as much as I can prior to that.
> He was apparently born about 1750 in Martinhagen near Kassel area.
> His military background is below. Regards Jack
> Schnabel Konrad HAJ2 Hessan-Hanua Chasseur Corp S#100p10
> Kornrumpff Company
>
> They arrived on the military ship "Dorothy Elizabeth" from England to
> Newfoundland around and before July 12, 1777.
> Conrad was a Hessen-Hanau Jaeger serving in the Kornrumpff, later
> called Castendyck Company according to Hetrina VI numbered the 2nd
> Company Which arrived in Quebec June 1777
>
> Jack P. Scott, (nee Schnob/Schnable)
> # 103 15165 Marine Dr.
> White Rock, B.C. V4B-1C5
> Ph 604-538-1474
> Fax 604-538-2080
> Email: sqp(a)axion.net
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In a message dated 2/21/2005 12:14:49 AM Central Standard Time,
gapcreek(a)qldnet.com.au writes:
> With regards to "why did they come" - our German family came after the
> first
> world war. My grandfather left the Bremen area first in 1924 and went to
> Holland, South Africa (we think) and then Australia looking to begin a
> business or find work. He owned a business, but after the war and with the
> very high inflation, the business floundered. My grandmother and her three
> children followed in 1929, when her father and uncle retrieved the children
> from an orphanage and paid for the passage of my grandmother and her three
> children to join their father and husband. I have doubts that my
> grandmother wanted to leave Germany. Life in Australia for the family at
> that time proved to be very difficult. My grandfather was sick and died
> five years after his family joined him.
>
To Marlene,
Almost exactly same situation as my wife's grandfather. Came to Chicago in
1924. Had enough money to get my wife's grandmother and father a couple of years
later. He did do comparatively well as tool and die man, but died about 1940.
His wife would rather have stayed in Germany. We visited the wife's sister,
my wife's great aunt, in East Berlin in 1977. She said they were wrong, and the
grandfather was right, they should have come to America.
Viele Grüße aus Illinois
John Rodenburg
Werner (Hesse-Darmstadt), Brunkhorst (Hannover), Steinke (Pommern)
Krause (Pommern)
Schröder (Mecklenburg-Schwerin), Meyer (Hannover), Zum Mallen (Hannover)
Röhrdanz (Mecklenburg-Schwerin)

Hi,
My husband has DANIELS in his line; they were from Indiana and then Illinois.
Betty in St. Louis, Missouri
GapCreek <gapcreek(a)qldnet.com.au> wrote:
Hi Jane and Yvonne,
I'm back reading my emails again - I've been sidetracked with other
priorities lately. I'd like to reiterate that I did enjoy your wonderful
books (the first two) very much and have been meaning to get a letter to the
publishers in America to order the third. My family have been reading them
also (we are a big family) and those who have read the books are looking
forward to reading the third one.
I'm also looking forward in a few months (when I've sorted out the other
priorities) to pursuing family history projects once again, ie the Daniels,
Godes, Blickwedels, Thieles, Lindemans, Eggelings, Bruns, Graves etc. I'm
amazed at home much history you learn along the way.
With regards to "why did they come" - our german family came after the first
world war. My grandfather left the Bremen area first in 1924 and went to
Holland, South Africa (we think) and then Australia looking to begin a
business or find work. He owned a business, but after the war and with the
very high inflation, the business floundered. My grandmother and her three
children followed in 1929, when her father and uncle retrieved the children
from an orphanage and paid for the passage of my grandmother and her three
children to join their father and husband. I have doubts that my
grandmother wanted to leave Germany. Life in Australia for the family at
that time proved to be very difficult. My grandfather was sick and died
five years after his family joined him.
I think in Australia a lot of German families came out in the late 1870's or
1880's which was when the Gode's, a branch of our German family, went to
America. Why were people leaving Germany at that time?
Must go
regards
Marlene
Brisbane, Australia
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jane Swan"
To:
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 1:39 PM
Subject: [HN] Re: Why did they come?
> Hi Yvonne: I'm afraid the talk would be too long to put on this list.
However, the best way to read about what I shall talk about (and in far more
detail) is to buy my books THE SAXON CHRONICLE See my website
http://saxonchronicle.hypermart.net for ordering info. Marlene in Brisbane
has bought them and loved them - altho it does take forever to get them to
Australia. AT least 90% of the reasons they came to America are the same
ones that would have sent them to your side of the world. Only one or two
are unique to America. I'm sure you will enjoy the books. Thanks for your
interest. Jane
>
>
> Jane Swan
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Hello Rick,
That Sielehr name is not very common, to say the least. There is not
even one listed in the German Telephone book. I wonder if it might be
spelled differently in various records. Have you looked at the records for
Buer that the LDS has? I would surely check there if you are near a LDS
center:
Kirchenbuchduplikat, 1808-1875 Evangelische Kirche Buer (Kr. Melle)
Good luck!
Barbara
on 2/20/05 2:50 PM, Merrickwagner(a)cs.com at Merrickwagner(a)cs.com wrote:
> I am looking for a connection or information to my Great Great Grandparents
> Ernst Heinrich Sielehr (DOB January 1851)and Caroline Florentina Thies (DOB
> June 10, 1852). They list Hannover as country of origion. Ernst has an
> emigration year of 1871 and Caroline emigrated from Bremen in late July or
> early
> August of 1872. Caroline arrived in Baltimore, Maryland, U.S.A. on August 12,
> 1872. Her destination was Cleveland, Ohio. She crossed the ocean on a ship
> named Hermine. It is possible that Ernst came from Buer. I suspect a brother
> also emigrated to Cleveland, Ohio. His name was Henry (Heinrich) Sielehr.
> Henry
> listed Buer as his place of emigration. Their father's name was William
> (Wilhelm) and their mother's name was Maria Ellbrecht. William was born in
> 1821 and
> I suspect he emigrated in April of 1882 along with Henry. Heinrich and
> Florentina Thies were the parents of Caroline. I have extensive genealogy of
> Ernst
> and Caroline's descendants. Note: Caroline also went by the name Lena. They
> were of the Lutheran (Evangelische) faith.
>
> Rick Wagner
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Rick,
Have you seen this list of emigrants from Buer? Your Thies are listed
there.
http://www.buer-us.de/Book1_Thies.htm
Your Sielehr is there, spelled Sieler, but the birth place is not
given!
This page will lead you to the main page--which includes various things
about Buer:
http://www.buer-us.de/
There is a Sielheder listed.
Barbara
on 2/20/05 2:50 PM, Merrickwagner(a)cs.com at Merrickwagner(a)cs.com wrote:
> I am looking for a connection or information to my Great Great Grandparents
> Ernst Heinrich Sielehr (DOB January 1851)and Caroline Florentina Thies (DOB
> June 10, 1852). They list Hannover as country of origion. Ernst has an
> emigration year of 1871 and Caroline emigrated from Bremen in late July or
> early
> August of 1872. Caroline arrived in Baltimore, Maryland, U.S.A. on August 12,
> 1872. Her destination was Cleveland, Ohio. She crossed the ocean on a ship
> named Hermine. It is possible that Ernst came from Buer. I suspect a brother
> also emigrated to Cleveland, Ohio. His name was Henry (Heinrich) Sielehr.
> Henry
> listed Buer as his place of emigration. Their father's name was William
> (Wilhelm) and their mother's name was Maria Ellbrecht. William was born in
> 1821 and
> I suspect he emigrated in April of 1882 along with Henry. Heinrich and
> Florentina Thies were the parents of Caroline. I have extensive genealogy of
> Ernst
> and Caroline's descendants. Note: Caroline also went by the name Lena. They
> were of the Lutheran (Evangelische) faith.
>
> Rick Wagner
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Hello Barbara,
Thank you Barbara for the information on the website and taking the time to
reply to my query. I have heard from Wolfgang Dreuse, the moderator of the
Buer website. The information fits about 90% of what I have. If I am able to
find more, I will send my updated information to him. I have been looking for
a tie between Henry Sielehr and Ernst Sielehr in Cleveland, Ohio. They both
have parents with the same surnames in Germany. (Thanks to the information in
the Buer site) I was also able to able to tie the Thies Families together in
Cleveland. The only conflicting information I have on the Thies family, is my
great grandmother Mary Sielehr Dranse stated on her mother, Caroline (Lena)
Thies Sielehr's death certificate, that Lena's mother's name was Florentine.
This name appears in the Buer site. But not as Lena's mother. Mary Dranse
could have been mistaken. Perhaps Florentine was Lena's grandmother. My
inquiring mind wants to know.
One of the biggest problems I have had, is finding the spelling variations
of Sielehr (Sielheder). Some examples are Sielehr, Siehler, Seiler,
Sieler,Siller, Sielehar, Fichler, Tichler, Siegling. Census takers, government and
private transcribers did their jobs, but they didn't seem to be worried about how
accurate they had to be with the spelling of surnames. Siehler is how most
of the records ended up after 1920. Fortunatley, because of the unique way that
Ernst Sielehr chose to change his name, I was able to locate an entire branch
of the family in Wisconsin.
Rick

Hi Elisabeth,
Do you know anything of your DANIEL line prior to going to Indiana? Were
they from Germany?
Regards
Marlene
Brisbane, Australia
----- Original Message -----
From: "Elizabeth Carpenter" <bettycarp(a)sbcglobal.net>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 8:30 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] Re: Why did they come?
> Hi,
> My husband has DANIELS in his line; they were from Indiana and then
Illinois.
> Betty in St. Louis, Missouri
>
> GapCreek <gapcreek(a)qldnet.com.au> wrote:
> Hi Jane and Yvonne,
>
> I'm back reading my emails again - I've been sidetracked with other
> priorities lately. I'd like to reiterate that I did enjoy your wonderful
> books (the first two) very much and have been meaning to get a letter to
the
> publishers in America to order the third. My family have been reading them
> also (we are a big family) and those who have read the books are looking
> forward to reading the third one.
>
> I'm also looking forward in a few months (when I've sorted out the other
> priorities) to pursuing family history projects once again, ie the
Daniels,
> Godes, Blickwedels, Thieles, Lindemans, Eggelings, Bruns, Graves etc. I'm
> amazed at home much history you learn along the way.
>
> With regards to "why did they come" - our german family came after the
first
> world war. My grandfather left the Bremen area first in 1924 and went to
> Holland, South Africa (we think) and then Australia looking to begin a
> business or find work. He owned a business, but after the war and with the
> very high inflation, the business floundered. My grandmother and her three
> children followed in 1929, when her father and uncle retrieved the
children
> from an orphanage and paid for the passage of my grandmother and her three
> children to join their father and husband. I have doubts that my
> grandmother wanted to leave Germany. Life in Australia for the family at
> that time proved to be very difficult. My grandfather was sick and died
> five years after his family joined him.
>
> I think in Australia a lot of German families came out in the late 1870's
or
> 1880's which was when the Gode's, a branch of our German family, went to
> America. Why were people leaving Germany at that time?
>
> Must go
>
> regards
>
> Marlene
> Brisbane, Australia
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jane Swan"
> To:
> Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 1:39 PM
> Subject: [HN] Re: Why did they come?
>
>
> > Hi Yvonne: I'm afraid the talk would be too long to put on this list.
> However, the best way to read about what I shall talk about (and in far
more
> detail) is to buy my books THE SAXON CHRONICLE See my website
> http://saxonchronicle.hypermart.net for ordering info. Marlene in Brisbane
> has bought them and loved them - altho it does take forever to get them to
> Australia. AT least 90% of the reasons they came to America are the same
> ones that would have sent them to your side of the world. Only one or two
> are unique to America. I'm sure you will enjoy the books. Thanks for your
> interest. Jane
> >
> >
> > Jane Swan
> > jeswansong(a)earthlink.net
> > Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
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Hi John,
Thank you for your email. I was wondering how many were affected by the
high inflation after the first world war. I have often contemplated my
grandmother's situation and although she longed for her family and homeland,
I am sure the 2nd world war in Germany would have been a far worse situation
than the difficulties they faced in Australia, however tough they were. In
any case my present family wouldn't exist if they hadn't come!
I also wanted to mention that I have been back and met my father's cousins
and their children. One branch has the name 'Rodenburg'. Otto RODENBURG
was married to Margarete DANIEL from Bederkesa. I email the children from
this marriage who live in Hamburg. I believe Otto was a ship's captain who
spent a lot of his life in Singapore before returning to Hamburg. Do you
have any Otto Rodenburg's in your family tree.
Regards
Marlene
----- Original Message -----
From: <JRodenburg(a)aol.com>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 2:00 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] Re: Why did they come?
In a message dated 2/21/2005 12:14:49 AM Central Standard Time,
gapcreek(a)qldnet.com.au writes:
> With regards to "why did they come" - our German family came after the
> first
> world war. My grandfather left the Bremen area first in 1924 and went to
> Holland, South Africa (we think) and then Australia looking to begin a
> business or find work. He owned a business, but after the war and with
the
> very high inflation, the business floundered. My grandmother and her
three
> children followed in 1929, when her father and uncle retrieved the
children
> from an orphanage and paid for the passage of my grandmother and her three
> children to join their father and husband. I have doubts that my
> grandmother wanted to leave Germany. Life in Australia for the family at
> that time proved to be very difficult. My grandfather was sick and died
> five years after his family joined him.
>
To Marlene,
Almost exactly same situation as my wife's grandfather. Came to Chicago in
1924. Had enough money to get my wife's grandmother and father a couple of
years
later. He did do comparatively well as tool and die man, but died about
1940.
His wife would rather have stayed in Germany. We visited the wife's sister,
my wife's great aunt, in East Berlin in 1977. She said they were wrong, and
the
grandfather was right, they should have come to America.
Viele Grüße aus Illinois
John Rodenburg
Werner (Hesse-Darmstadt), Brunkhorst (Hannover), Steinke (Pommern)
Krause (Pommern)
Schröder (Mecklenburg-Schwerin), Meyer (Hannover), Zum Mallen (Hannover)
Röhrdanz (Mecklenburg-Schwerin)
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I would like to add to Marlene and John's emails:
As we all know, inflation comes and goes round the world in cycles of
greater or lesser degrees.
The full horror of what Germans had to endure between the two wars was
brought home when I watched an old film of a man recounting his experiences
in the run up to world war II. Inflation had got so bad the prices of
everything were changing hourly. There was a run on the banks with long
queues of people withdrawing money because they wanted to buy food and
goods before the prices went up out of reach. Those workers who were paid by
cheque, ran to the bank to cash them before their wage was worthless in
terms of buying power. He quoted the instance of when he bought a cup of
coffee and by the time he had drunk it the price had more than doubled when
he went to pay for it at the till. This was why the old men who had held
power for so long were swept aside in favour of a young man who had new
ideas of how to stabilise the country.
Rena
in England
=
In a message dated 2/21/2005 12:14:49 AM Central Standard Time,
gapcreek(a)qldnet.com.au writes:
> With regards to "why did they come" - our German family came after the
> first
> world war. My grandfather left the Bremen area first in 1924 and went to
> Holland, South Africa (we think) and then Australia looking to begin a
> business or find work. He owned a business, but after the war and with
> the
> very high inflation, the business floundered. My grandmother and her
> three
> children followed in 1929, when her father and uncle retrieved the
> children
> from an orphanage and paid for the passage of my grandmother and her three
> children to join their father and husband. I have doubts that my
> grandmother wanted to leave Germany. Life in Australia for the family at
> that time proved to be very difficult. My grandfather was sick and died
> five years after his family joined him.
>
To Marlene,
Almost exactly same situation as my wife's grandfather. Came to Chicago in
1924. Had enough money to get my wife's grandmother and father a couple of
years
later. He did do comparatively well as tool and die man, but died about
1940.
His wife would rather have stayed in Germany. We visited the wife's sister,
my wife's great aunt, in East Berlin in 1977. She said they were wrong, and
the
grandfather was right, they should have come to America.
Viele Grüße aus Illinois
John Rodenburg

Hallo List:
A fellow Stoltmann descendent named Jim Ebertowski, and myself have been trying to connect the two branches of the family together for some time now. Mine were from Hannover. His from what now is Poland. There aren't many Stoltmanns in either America or in Germany. Of those in America, about half relate to their Polish roots.
I've theorized that they all were in the Neidersachen area to begin with and that some sort of land had eventually been made available which induced his Stoltmann's to move.
We have since learned that there is a record of Stoltmann in "Poland" since the late 1300s. We have more recently learned that a Kashubian Newsletter stated that the author found the first written text and records for the Stoltmann's appearing around Salzwedel, Germany in 1377 and that some of them migrated into the Kashubian region of Poland.
I've been bouncing all over the internet looking for history on this area addressing this time and circumstance.
Why did they travel to the Kashubian region?
Any suggestions are welcome!
Thanks for your help-
Gary

Hi,
No. As far as I know, they were originally from Ireland. I have not found positive proof of this; it is from tradition.
Betty in St. Louis, Missouri
GapCreek <gapcreek(a)qldnet.com.au> wrote:
Hi Elisabeth,
Do you know anything of your DANIEL line prior to going to Indiana? Were
they from Germany?
Regards
Marlene
Brisbane, Australia
----- Original Message -----
From: "Elizabeth Carpenter"
To: "Hannover-L"
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 8:30 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] Re: Why did they come?
> Hi,
> My husband has DANIELS in his line; they were from Indiana and then
Illinois.
> Betty in St. Louis, Missouri
>
> GapCreek wrote:
> Hi Jane and Yvonne,
>
> I'm back reading my emails again - I've been sidetracked with other
> priorities lately. I'd like to reiterate that I did enjoy your wonderful
> books (the first two) very much and have been meaning to get a letter to
the
> publishers in America to order the third. My family have been reading them
> also (we are a big family) and those who have read the books are looking
> forward to reading the third one.
>
> I'm also looking forward in a few months (when I've sorted out the other
> priorities) to pursuing family history projects once again, ie the
Daniels,
> Godes, Blickwedels, Thieles, Lindemans, Eggelings, Bruns, Graves etc. I'm
> amazed at home much history you learn along the way.
>
> With regards to "why did they come" - our german family came after the
first
> world war. My grandfather left the Bremen area first in 1924 and went to
> Holland, South Africa (we think) and then Australia looking to begin a
> business or find work. He owned a business, but after the war and with the
> very high inflation, the business floundered. My grandmother and her three
> children followed in 1929, when her father and uncle retrieved the
children
> from an orphanage and paid for the passage of my grandmother and her three
> children to join their father and husband. I have doubts that my
> grandmother wanted to leave Germany. Life in Australia for the family at
> that time proved to be very difficult. My grandfather was sick and died
> five years after his family joined him.
>
> I think in Australia a lot of German families came out in the late 1870's
or
> 1880's which was when the Gode's, a branch of our German family, went to
> America. Why were people leaving Germany at that time?
>
> Must go
>
> regards
>
> Marlene
> Brisbane, Australia
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jane Swan"
> To:
> Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 1:39 PM
> Subject: [HN] Re: Why did they come?
>
>
> > Hi Yvonne: I'm afraid the talk would be too long to put on this list.
> However, the best way to read about what I shall talk about (and in far
more
> detail) is to buy my books THE SAXON CHRONICLE See my website
> http://saxonchronicle.hypermart.net for ordering info. Marlene in Brisbane
> has bought them and loved them - altho it does take forever to get them to
> Australia. AT least 90% of the reasons they came to America are the same
> ones that would have sent them to your side of the world. Only one or two
> are unique to America. I'm sure you will enjoy the books. Thanks for your
> interest. Jane
> >
> >
> > Jane Swan
> > jeswansong(a)earthlink.net
> > Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
> > _______________________________________________
> > Hannover-L mailing list
> > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
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>
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To the list,
I am wondering if any one might give us an assist in finding an E-mail
list for the area of some one we are researching. His Obituary says he
was born in Semione, Canton Ticino, Switzerland. It is suppose to be
about four miles from the Italy-Switzerland border. I can find Ticino
but not the town of Semione on the map.
Thanks Bob Marhenke

Hi Bob,
Semione will show up on Mapqwest.com.
Barbara
on 2/23/05 2:54 PM, Bob Marhenke at bobmarval(a)juno.com wrote:
> To the list,
>
> I am wondering if any one might give us an assist in finding an E-mail
> list for the area of some one we are researching. His Obituary says he
> was born in Semione, Canton Ticino, Switzerland. It is suppose to be
> about four miles from the Italy-Switzerland border. I can find Ticino
> but not the town of Semione on the map.
>
> Thanks Bob Marhenke
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Thanks, I would also be interested in an E-mail list if any one knows of
one---Bob
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 15:07:26 -0700 R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
writes:
> Hi Bob,
> Semione will show up on Mapqwest.com.
> Barbara
>
>
>
> on 2/23/05 2:54 PM, Bob Marhenke at bobmarval(a)juno.com wrote:
>
> > To the list,
> >
> > I am wondering if any one might give us an assist in finding an
> E-mail
> > list for the area of some one we are researching. His Obituary
> says he
> > was born in Semione, Canton Ticino, Switzerland. It is suppose to
> be
> > about four miles from the Italy-Switzerland border. I can find
> Ticino
> > but not the town of Semione on the map.
> >
> > Thanks Bob Marhenke
> > _______________________________________________
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>

I am looking for information concerning my grandmother Marie Schroeder who came to America with her parents, Victor and Sofie Schroeder and other family members, Sofie, Dorothea, Anna and Heinrich.
According to my research they arrived in New York City on June 21, 1873 on the ship "Rhein". I do not have any other information on the family origin in Germany except for the fact that the death notice of Marie mentioned she was born in Forde, Hannover. I cannot find the city of Forde at this time. I would appreciate receiving any information about the ancestors of this family.

To the list,
I am wondering if any one might give us an assist in finding an E-mail
list for the area of some one we are researching. His Obituary says he
was born in Semione, Canton Ticino, Switzerland. It is suppose to be
about four miles from the Italy-Switzerland border. I can find Ticino
but not the town of Semione on the map.
Thanks Bob Marhenke
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Dear Gary,
You should contact the county archives in Salzwedel, and as well the city
archives
PLEASE TRY TO WRITE IN GERMAN
A) Altmarkkreis Salzwedel, Kreisarchiv, Karl-Marx-Str. 32, 29410 Salzwedel,
Fax 011 49 3901 25079 -
B) Stadtarchiv, Stadtverwaltung, An der Moenchskirche 5, 29410 Salzwedel,
Fax 01149 3901 475415, E-mail: rathaus(a)salzwedel.de, site: www.salzwedel.de
Even if they should not have the answer, they will know whom to ask for
medieval
Relocations
Greetings from Diepholz, Niedersachsen, Lower Saxony
Falk Liebezeit
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von Gary Stoltman
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 23. Februar 2005 21:27
An: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Betreff: [HN] Stoltmann's - German/Polish
Hallo List:
A fellow Stoltmann descendent named Jim Ebertowski, and myself have been
trying to connect the two branches of the family together for some time now.
Mine were from Hannover. His from what now is Poland. There aren't many
Stoltmanns in either America or in Germany. Of those in America, about half
relate to their Polish roots.
I've theorized that they all were in the Neidersachen area to begin with and
that some sort of land had eventually been made available which induced his
Stoltmann's to move.
We have since learned that there is a record of Stoltmann in "Poland" since
the late 1300s. We have more recently learned that a Kashubian Newsletter
stated that the author found the first written text and records for the
Stoltmann's appearing around Salzwedel, Germany in 1377 and that some of
them migrated into the Kashubian region of Poland.
I've been bouncing all over the internet looking for history on this area
addressing this time and circumstance.
Why did they travel to the Kashubian region?
Any suggestions are welcome!
Thanks for your help-
Gary

Thank you Betty,
Daniel appears to be a very old family name. There are many in Germany from
were my family originate.
Kind regards
Marlene
----- Original Message -----
From: "Elizabeth Carpenter" <bettycarp(a)sbcglobal.net>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 7:05 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] Re: Why did they come?
> Hi,
>
> No. As far as I know, they were originally from Ireland. I have not
found positive proof of this; it is from tradition.
>
> Betty in St. Louis, Missouri
>
> GapCreek <gapcreek(a)qldnet.com.au> wrote:
> Hi Elisabeth,
>
> Do you know anything of your DANIEL line prior to going to Indiana? Were
> they from Germany?
>
> Regards
>
> Marlene
> Brisbane, Australia
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Elizabeth Carpenter"
> To: "Hannover-L"
> Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 8:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [HN] Re: Why did they come?
>
>
> > Hi,
> > My husband has DANIELS in his line; they were from Indiana and then
> Illinois.
> > Betty in St. Louis, Missouri
> >
> > GapCreek wrote:
> > Hi Jane and Yvonne,
> >
> > I'm back reading my emails again - I've been sidetracked with other
> > priorities lately. I'd like to reiterate that I did enjoy your wonderful
> > books (the first two) very much and have been meaning to get a letter to
> the
> > publishers in America to order the third. My family have been reading
them
> > also (we are a big family) and those who have read the books are looking
> > forward to reading the third one.
> >
> > I'm also looking forward in a few months (when I've sorted out the other
> > priorities) to pursuing family history projects once again, ie the
> Daniels,
> > Godes, Blickwedels, Thieles, Lindemans, Eggelings, Bruns, Graves etc.
I'm
> > amazed at home much history you learn along the way.
> >
> > With regards to "why did they come" - our german family came after the
> first
> > world war. My grandfather left the Bremen area first in 1924 and went to
> > Holland, South Africa (we think) and then Australia looking to begin a
> > business or find work. He owned a business, but after the war and with
the
> > very high inflation, the business floundered. My grandmother and her
three
> > children followed in 1929, when her father and uncle retrieved the
> children
> > from an orphanage and paid for the passage of my grandmother and her
three
> > children to join their father and husband. I have doubts that my
> > grandmother wanted to leave Germany. Life in Australia for the family at
> > that time proved to be very difficult. My grandfather was sick and died
> > five years after his family joined him.
> >
> > I think in Australia a lot of German families came out in the late
1870's
> or
> > 1880's which was when the Gode's, a branch of our German family, went to
> > America. Why were people leaving Germany at that time?
> >
> > Must go
> >
> > regards
> >
> > Marlene
> > Brisbane, Australia
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jane Swan"
> > To:
> > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 1:39 PM
> > Subject: [HN] Re: Why did they come?
> >
> >
> > > Hi Yvonne: I'm afraid the talk would be too long to put on this list.
> > However, the best way to read about what I shall talk about (and in far
> more
> > detail) is to buy my books THE SAXON CHRONICLE See my website
> > http://saxonchronicle.hypermart.net for ordering info. Marlene in
Brisbane
> > has bought them and loved them - altho it does take forever to get them
to
> > Australia. AT least 90% of the reasons they came to America are the same
> > ones that would have sent them to your side of the world. Only one or
two
> > are unique to America. I'm sure you will enjoy the books. Thanks for
your
> > interest. Jane
> > >
> > >
> > > Jane Swan
> > > jeswansong(a)earthlink.net
> > > Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Hannover-L mailing list
> > > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
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> >
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Unfortunately, death record notations are usually made by descendants
and often represent how the village name sounded rather than how it was
spelled. The LDS web site, www.familysearch.org, indicates that church
records for at least two candidates for "Forde":

If Marie married Victor in her birth town, then their marriage might be
on those microfilms.

Regards,
Paul Kasameyer

Peggy Schmidt wrote:

I am looking for information concerning my grandmother Marie Schroeder who came to America with her parents, Victor and Sofie Schroeder and other family members, Sofie, Dorothea, Anna and Heinrich.
According to my research they arrived in New York City on June 21, 1873 on the ship "Rhein". I do not have any other information on the family origin in Germany except for the fact that the death notice of Marie mentioned she was born in Forde, Hannover. I cannot find the city of Forde at this time. I would appreciate receiving any information about the ancestors of this family.
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Hello,
There is a Victor Schröder listed on the Hannover emigration archives
as having emigrated from Sulingen. There are also names of Sofie, Dorothea,
Anna, and Heinrich named as from Sulingen. The German phonebook lists
several Schröders in Sulingen today. (If you do a search for the Schroeder
name, it automatically brings up the Schröder spelling.) However, there may
be several Schröders in MANY other cities. Schroeder is a rather common
name so it becomes difficult to know which one is your ancestor!
I have searched for the town of Forde and I would guess it is a town so
small to appear on any map. I have a very detailed Autoatlas of Germany and
there are very small towns on the map not listed in the index. However,
there is a tiny town to the north of Sulingen by the name of Vohrde.
I do not wish to mislead you about the Schröder names from Sulingen.
There is only one Victor mentioned, but the other names are more numerous.
That Victor is from Sulingen. You can order records from the archives, but
since there are so many Schröders, you may not want to do that. You could
also look at the Sulingen records that the LDS has. And then, there's a
possiblity this may have not anything to do with your ancestors!
Good luck,
Barbara
on 2/23/05 6:15 PM, Peggy Schmidt at pschmidt3(a)neb.rr.com wrote:
> I am looking for information concerning my grandmother Marie Schroeder who
> came to America with her parents, Victor and Sofie Schroeder and other family
> members, Sofie, Dorothea, Anna and Heinrich.
>
> According to my research they arrived in New York City on June 21, 1873 on the
> ship "Rhein". I do not have any other information on the family origin in
> Germany except for the fact that the death notice of Marie mentioned she was
> born in Forde, Hannover. I cannot find the city of Forde at this time. I
> would appreciate receiving any information about the ancestors of this family.
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I have some records of Schröder in Vörden, but not the firstname "Victor".
I think Vohrde is the better idea, this small place is a part of the comunity "Scholen", about 4 miles north of Sulingen.
Scholen have also a church and is closer to Vohrde.
Here two Schröder addresses:
Schröder, Holger
Blockwinkel 71
27251 Scholen
Schröder GmbH & Co.
Blockwinkel 81
27251 Scholen
Good luck,
Werner
> Hello,
> There is a Victor Schröder listed on the Hannover emigration
> archives
> as having emigrated from Sulingen. There are also names of Sofie,
> Dorothea,
> Anna, and Heinrich named as from Sulingen. The German phonebook lists
> several Schröders in Sulingen today. (If you do a search for the
> Schroeder
> name, it automatically brings up the Schröder spelling.) However, there
> may
> be several Schröders in MANY other cities. Schroeder is a rather common
> name so it becomes difficult to know which one is your ancestor!
> I have searched for the town of Forde and I would guess it is a town
> so
> small to appear on any map. I have a very detailed Autoatlas of Germany
> and
> there are very small towns on the map not listed in the index. However,
> there is a tiny town to the north of Sulingen by the name of Vohrde.
> I do not wish to mislead you about the Schröder names from Sulingen.
> There is only one Victor mentioned, but the other names are more numerous.
> That Victor is from Sulingen. You can order records from the archives,
> but
> since there are so many Schröders, you may not want to do that. You could
> also look at the Sulingen records that the LDS has. And then, there's a
> possiblity this may have not anything to do with your ancestors!
> Good luck,
> Barbara
> on 2/23/05 6:15 PM, Peggy Schmidt at pschmidt3(a)neb.rr.com wrote:
>> I am looking for information concerning my grandmother Marie Schroeder
>> who
>> came to America with her parents, Victor and Sofie Schroeder and other
>> family
>> members, Sofie, Dorothea, Anna and Heinrich.
>>
>> According to my research they arrived in New York City on June 21, 1873
>> on the
>> ship "Rhein". I do not have any other information on the family origin
>> in
>> Germany except for the fact that the death notice of Marie mentioned she
>> was
>> born in Forde, Hannover. I cannot find the city of Forde at this time.
>> I
>> would appreciate receiving any information about the ancestors of this
>> family.
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Hi,
Since this German aspect appeared in the DANIEL name, I am wondering if our could be German also.
Actually my Daniels are only in Illinois. The Indiana part is the inlaw part of my first Daniel. I only go as far back as 1837 with William Henry or Harrison Daniel.
I'll have to keep this in mind when I get to that part of the family. Right now I am working on my sides--SCHERLE and HESS both from Germany.
Betty in St. Louis, Missouri
GapCreek <gapcreek(a)qldnet.com.au> wrote:
Thank you Betty,
Daniel appears to be a very old family name. There are many in Germany from
were my family originate.
Kind regards
Marlene
----- Original Message -----
From: "Elizabeth Carpenter"
To: "Hannover-L"
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 7:05 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] Re: Why did they come?
> Hi,
>
> No. As far as I know, they were originally from Ireland. I have not
found positive proof of this; it is from tradition.
>
> Betty in St. Louis, Missouri
>
> GapCreek wrote:
> Hi Elisabeth,
>
> Do you know anything of your DANIEL line prior to going to Indiana? Were
> they from Germany?
>
> Regards
>
> Marlene
> Brisbane, Australia
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Elizabeth Carpenter"
> To: "Hannover-L"
> Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 8:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [HN] Re: Why did they come?
>
>
> > Hi,
> > My husband has DANIELS in his line; they were from Indiana and then
> Illinois.
> > Betty in St. Louis, Missouri
> >
> > GapCreek wrote:
> > Hi Jane and Yvonne,
> >
> > I'm back reading my emails again - I've been sidetracked with other
> > priorities lately. I'd like to reiterate that I did enjoy your wonderful
> > books (the first two) very much and have been meaning to get a letter to
> the
> > publishers in America to order the third. My family have been reading
them
> > also (we are a big family) and those who have read the books are looking
> > forward to reading the third one.
> >
> > I'm also looking forward in a few months (when I've sorted out the other
> > priorities) to pursuing family history projects once again, ie the
> Daniels,
> > Godes, Blickwedels, Thieles, Lindemans, Eggelings, Bruns, Graves etc.
I'm
> > amazed at home much history you learn along the way.
> >
> > With regards to "why did they come" - our german family came after the
> first
> > world war. My grandfather left the Bremen area first in 1924 and went to
> > Holland, South Africa (we think) and then Australia looking to begin a
> > business or find work. He owned a business, but after the war and with
the
> > very high inflation, the business floundered. My grandmother and her
three
> > children followed in 1929, when her father and uncle retrieved the
> children
> > from an orphanage and paid for the passage of my grandmother and her
three
> > children to join their father and husband. I have doubts that my
> > grandmother wanted to leave Germany. Life in Australia for the family at
> > that time proved to be very difficult. My grandfather was sick and died
> > five years after his family joined him.
> >
> > I think in Australia a lot of German families came out in the late
1870's
> or
> > 1880's which was when the Gode's, a branch of our German family, went to
> > America. Why were people leaving Germany at that time?
> >
> > Must go
> >
> > regards
> >
> > Marlene
> > Brisbane, Australia
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jane Swan"
> > To:
> > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 1:39 PM
> > Subject: [HN] Re: Why did they come?
> >
> >
> > > Hi Yvonne: I'm afraid the talk would be too long to put on this list.
> > However, the best way to read about what I shall talk about (and in far
> more
> > detail) is to buy my books THE SAXON CHRONICLE See my website
> > http://saxonchronicle.hypermart.net for ordering info. Marlene in
Brisbane
> > has bought them and loved them - altho it does take forever to get them
to
> > Australia. AT least 90% of the reasons they came to America are the same
> > ones that would have sent them to your side of the world. Only one or
two
> > are unique to America. I'm sure you will enjoy the books. Thanks for
your
> > interest. Jane
> > >
> > >
> > > Jane Swan
> > > jeswansong(a)earthlink.net
> > > Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
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Unfortunately, Forde seems to be a common name that is linked to many towns,
e.g., Flensburger Forde & Ecker Forde, Germany both of which are in
northwest Germany. Couldn't find exactly what it means but am sure someone
on our list can explain. Good hunting

I am looking for information concerning my grandmother Marie Schroeder who
came to America with her parents, Victor and Sofie Schroeder and other
family members, Sofie, Dorothea, Anna and Heinrich.

According to my research they arrived in New York City on June 21, 1873 on
the ship "Rhein". I do not have any other information on the family
origin in Germany except for the fact that the death notice of Marie
mentioned she was born in Forde, Hannover. I cannot find the city of
Forde at this time. I would appreciate receiving any information about
the ancestors of this family.

<Thank you for the direction and I will certainly do my best to write in
German!>

Gary

----- Original Message -----
From: <FalkLiebe(a)t-online.de>

To: "'Hannover-L'" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 12:39 AM
Subject: AW: [HN] Stoltmann's - German/Polish
Dear Gary,
You should contact the county archives in Salzwedel, and as well the city
archives
PLEASE TRY TO WRITE IN GERMAN
A) Altmarkkreis Salzwedel, Kreisarchiv, Karl-Marx-Str. 32, 29410 Salzwedel,
Fax 011 49 3901 25079 -
B) Stadtarchiv, Stadtverwaltung, An der Moenchskirche 5, 29410 Salzwedel,
Fax 01149 3901 475415, E-mail: rathaus(a)salzwedel.de, site: www.salzwedel.de
Even if they should not have the answer, they will know whom to ask for
medieval
Relocations
Greetings from Diepholz, Niedersachsen, Lower Saxony
Falk Liebezeit
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von Gary Stoltman
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 23. Februar 2005 21:27
An: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Betreff: [HN] Stoltmann's - German/Polish
Hallo List:
A fellow Stoltmann descendent named Jim Ebertowski, and myself have been
trying to connect the two branches of the family together for some time now.
Mine were from Hannover. His from what now is Poland. There aren't many
Stoltmanns in either America or in Germany. Of those in America, about half
relate to their Polish roots.
I've theorized that they all were in the Neidersachen area to begin with and
that some sort of land had eventually been made available which induced his
Stoltmann's to move.
We have since learned that there is a record of Stoltmann in "Poland" since
the late 1300s. We have more recently learned that a Kashubian Newsletter
stated that the author found the first written text and records for the
Stoltmann's appearing around Salzwedel, Germany in 1377 and that some of
them migrated into the Kashubian region of Poland.
I've been bouncing all over the internet looking for history on this area
addressing this time and circumstance.
Why did they travel to the Kashubian region?
Any suggestions are welcome!
Thanks for your help-
Gary
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"Ann and Paul Kasameyer" <kasameyer(a)alum.mit.edu> schrieb:
> Peggy Schmidt,
> Unfortunately, death record notations are usually made by descendants
> and often represent how the village name sounded rather than how it was
> spelled. The LDS web site, www.familysearch.org, indicates that church
> records for at least two candidates for "Forde":
> Germany, Preußen, Hannover, Vörden (1822-1874)
> Germany, Preußen, Westfalen, Förde
> If Marie married Victor in her birth town, then their marriage might be
> on those microfilms.
...
One should perhaps take also into consideration the towns combined with "Forde" or even "Vörde", for example "Herford" or "Bremervörde". The last one was the harbour from where ships went over to America.
Greetings Hans Peter Albers, Bienenbüttel
>
> Regards,
> Paul Kasameyer
>
> Peggy Schmidt wrote:
>
> >I am looking for information concerning my grandmother Marie Schroeder who came to America with her parents, Victor and Sofie Schroeder and other family members, Sofie, Dorothea, Anna and Heinrich.
> >
> >According to my research they arrived in New York City on June 21, 1873 on the ship "Rhein". I do not have any other information on the family origin in Germany except for the fact that the death notice of Marie mentioned she was born in Forde, Hannover. I cannot find the city of Forde at this time. I would appreciate receiving any information about the ancestors of this family.
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It's spelled Förde and means estuary - I suppose as Fjörd is in Sweedish.
This is an area where many rivers gather to run to the sea. Unfortunatly
Marie didn't hand down the important 1st name. Good hunting.

Unfortunately, Forde seems to be a common name that is linked to many
towns, e.g., Flensburger Forde & Ecker Forde, Germany both of which are in
northwest Germany. Couldn't find exactly what it means but am sure someone
on our list can explain. Good hunting

I am looking for information concerning my grandmother Marie Schroeder who
came to America with her parents, Victor and Sofie Schroeder and other
family members, Sofie, Dorothea, Anna and Heinrich.

According to my research they arrived in New York City on June 21, 1873
on the ship "Rhein". I do not have any other information on the family
origin in Germany except for the fact that the death notice of Marie
mentioned she was born in Forde, Hannover. I cannot find the city of
Forde at this time. I would appreciate receiving any information about
the ancestors of this family.

"Gary Stoltman" <stopan(a)optonline.net> schrieb:
> Hi Peggy:
>
> Unfortunately, Forde seems to be a common name that is linked to many towns,
> e.g., Flensburger Forde & Ecker Forde, Germany both of which are in
> northwest Germany. Couldn't find exactly what it means but am sure someone
> on our list can explain. Good hunting
>
> Gary Stoltman
> Mercerville, NJ
>
Hello Gary, hello Peggy,
Flensburger Foerde and Eckernfoerde (both with Umlaut): Foerde means a bay or creek. Its the same word like Fjord in Norwegian. Flensburger Foerde is no town, the town there is Flensburg. Eckernförde is a town. But both are not in Hannover but in Schleswig-Holstein.
Regards
Wilfried Petersen

"Hans Peter Albers" <320097756779-0001(a)T-Online.de> schrieb:
...
> One should perhaps take also into consideration the > towns combined with "Forde" or even "Vörde", for > example "Herford" or "Bremervörde". The last one > was the harbour from where ships went over to > America.
....
On demand of an single gentleman from the coast, I have to declare, that "Bremervörde" is not "Bremer- haven". "Bremervörde" is a small town on river Oste and "Bremerhaven" the big harbour of emmigration. Sorry for the mistake made in by a hurry. HPA
>
> Greetings Hans Peter Albers, Bienenbüttel
>
> >
> > Regards,
> > Paul Kasameyer
> >
> > Peggy Schmidt wrote:
> >
> > >I am looking for information concerning my grandmother Marie Schroeder who came to America with her parents, Victor and Sofie Schroeder and other family members, Sofie, Dorothea, Anna and Heinrich.
> > >
> > >According to my research they arrived in New York City on June 21, 1873 on the ship "Rhein". I do not have any other information on the family origin in Germany except for the fact that the death notice of Marie mentioned she was born in Forde, Hannover. I cannot find the city of Forde at this time. I would appreciate receiving any information about the ancestors of this family.
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Dear Peggy,
You should check the complete passenger list to find out if there were more
passengers from that place traveling together. Schroeder is one of the most
common surnames in Northern Germany, it is the low German word for tailor.
So if you find other names from the same place it might help to decrease the
outlines of the area of origin.
Sincerely yours
Falk Liebezeit
Diepholz
http://www.falk-liebezeit.de
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[mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von Hans Peter Albers
Gesendet: Samstag, 26. Februar 2005 11:04
An: Hannover-L
Betreff: Re: [HN] Victor Schroeder family
"Hans Peter Albers" <320097756779-0001(a)T-Online.de> schrieb:
...
> One should perhaps take also into consideration the > towns combined with
"Forde" or even "Vörde", for > example "Herford" or "Bremervörde". The last
one > was the harbour from where ships went over to > America.
....
On demand of an single gentleman from the coast, I have to declare, that
"Bremervörde" is not "Bremer- haven". "Bremervörde" is a small town on river
Oste and "Bremerhaven" the big harbour of emmigration. Sorry for the mistake
made in by a hurry. HPA
>
> Greetings Hans Peter Albers, Bienenbüttel
>
> >
> > Regards,
> > Paul Kasameyer
> >
> > Peggy Schmidt wrote:
> >
> > >I am looking for information concerning my grandmother Marie Schroeder
who came to America with her parents, Victor and Sofie Schroeder and other
family members, Sofie, Dorothea, Anna and Heinrich.
> > >
> > >According to my research they arrived in New York City on June 21, 1873
on the ship "Rhein". I do not have any other information on the family
origin in Germany except for the fact that the death notice of Marie
mentioned she was born in Forde, Hannover. I cannot find the city of Forde
at this time. I would appreciate receiving any information about the
ancestors of this family.
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Rena in England,
Can we visit about my English research problems from our personal Email
addresses.
I am trying to find ancestors in the Manchester-Oldham area @ 1775. Yes, I
joined
the Lancashire & Manchester F.H. S. but that was no help.
Where do you live? What is your Email address? wrightcroft(a)earthlink.net
Maurice Woolsoncroft
wrightcroft(a)earthlink.net

I noticed the posting from Fritz Giese about the couple from Welsede. I
can't help there but the community is certainly of interest. My Great
Grandfather and at least four of his brothers were born in Welsede or
Hämelschenburg (which I think is nearby) and if anyone has any information
about these communities, I would love to hear from them. My Great Great
Grandfather was a royal forester and Welsede was one of his duty stations (I
think).

The name Tappe frequently occurs in my family tree. This Tappe family comes
from a small village named Engter, 20 km North of the city Osnabruck.
If anybody would have any information about the RENZENBRINK name - in
Germany or in the USA - your input would be greatly appreciated.
Greetings, Johanna Renzenbrink
The surname of my grandfather was WENDT and the surname of his wife was
TAPPE. They came to America in the mid 1800's. I noticed these names on
this
list and wonder if there was any informaiton on them. They came from some
town
in the Kingdom of Hannover. His name was August Wendt and his father was
Henry Wendt. Any help would be highly appreciated.
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-----Hello Barbara,
Could you please search for the name Rensenbrink/Renzenbrink/Rentzenbrink.
Thank you,
Johanna Renzenbrink
Hello,
You really need to search for a specific surname. Did you see the
directions on the Hannover list for searching the Archives? Tell me the
name you are searching for and maybe I can help.
Barbara
on 1/14/05 10:40 PM, Ken Thompson at kthompsn(a)springmail.com wrote:
> I'd THOUGHT that i could read German, but am also having problems with
this
> site. Have sent some of the terms to the LEO dictionary/translator, and
> gotten no-hit replies. If someone could explain the abbreviations,
please?
> A few of the location abbreviations i can recognize (Mep = Meppen, Lin =
> Lingen). I'm searching the Osnabrueck archive, trying to find
Auswanderern
> from Baccum/Lingen & Ostercappeln.
>
> Kenneth Thompson
> Moline Acres (north StLouis County) MO USA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 20:45:16 -0600
> From: "darlene baltus" <dbaltus(a)2z.net>
> Subject: [HN] Website for Osnabruck, Hannover, Wolfenbuttel
> emmigration records
> To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
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>
> I made it thru the surname part of the directions. Now I am trying to
find
> the name of the town. In the directions, it says finding what area the
person
> comes from is not easy. How true! On the Hannover site, it often names a
town
> right in the code. I am back on the page where I first clicked on Index,
this
> time I click on Gliederung. Nothing happens except for a one line in
German
> that I don't recognize as a town. It does not give a list of numbers that
can
> be matched up. What do I need to do differently? thanks for any help!
The
> web site is http://app.staatsarchive.niedersachsen.de/findbuch/
>
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Hello Johanna,
There are two entries for Rensenbrink in the Osnabrück emigration
archives:
Rensenbrink s. a. Renzenbrink
Rensenbrink, Heinrich Friedrich Wilhelm
Both are listed as from Engter
Barbara
on 2/27/05 9:23 AM, j.renzenbrink(a)xs4all.nl at j.renzenbrink(a)xs4all.nl
wrote:
>
>
> -----Hello Barbara,
> Could you please search for the name Rensenbrink/Renzenbrink/Rentzenbrink.
> Thank you,
> Johanna Renzenbrink
> Hello,
> You really need to search for a specific surname. Did you see the
> directions on the Hannover list for searching the Archives? Tell me the
> name you are searching for and maybe I can help.
> Barbara
>
>
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> on 1/14/05 10:40 PM, Ken Thompson at kthompsn(a)springmail.com wrote:
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>> I'd THOUGHT that i could read German, but am also having problems with
> this
>> site. Have sent some of the terms to the LEO dictionary/translator, and
>> gotten no-hit replies. If someone could explain the abbreviations,
> please?
>> A few of the location abbreviations i can recognize (Mep = Meppen, Lin =
>> Lingen). I'm searching the Osnabrueck archive, trying to find
> Auswanderern
>> from Baccum/Lingen & Ostercappeln.
>>
>> Kenneth Thompson
>> Moline Acres (north StLouis County) MO USA
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> Message: 10
>> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 20:45:16 -0600
>> From: "darlene baltus" <dbaltus(a)2z.net>
>> Subject: [HN] Website for Osnabruck, Hannover, Wolfenbuttel
>> emmigration records
>> To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
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>> I made it thru the surname part of the directions. Now I am trying to
> find
>> the name of the town. In the directions, it says finding what area the
> person
>> comes from is not easy. How true! On the Hannover site, it often names a
> town
>> right in the code. I am back on the page where I first clicked on Index,
> this
>> time I click on Gliederung. Nothing happens except for a one line in
> German
>> that I don't recognize as a town. It does not give a list of numbers that
> can
>> be matched up. What do I need to do differently? thanks for any help!
> The
>> web site is http://app.staatsarchive.niedersachsen.de/findbuch/
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For what it's worth--
There are two villages by the name of Welsede:
one near Hessich-Oldendorf
one between Hämelschenburg and Bad Pyrmont
Interesting website: http://www.welsede.de/links.html
Barbara
on 2/27/05 5:13 AM, al toennies at altoennies(a)bellsouth.net wrote:
> Hämelschenburg

Thanks Neil and Barbara - I didn't know there was more than one. The only
names I have from my family's days in Welsede, Neil, are the Godparents to
the children born there and the few that aren't family don't match with any
of the names you have provided. I was hoping to find some kind of community
records for Welsede (tax or muster rolls, maps of land, etc.) I guess some
German towns had them and the ones that I have seen are very helpful. In
the absence of that I guess I would have to look for a local historian.
Thanks.

My GGrandparents Friedrich Kipp and Lisette Hundertmark and family came
from

Welsede in the 1850's and settled near Pyrmont in Morgan County, Missouri.
Other names in my Kipp line are: Knappwost, Lücke, Fricke, Stukenbrock,
Marten, Pieper, Beeke, Stöcker, Bönig, Harland, Sievers, Kuckuck, Cante,
Stolte, Mundhenke, Meerwitte, Kuhlmann, Harland, Albert, Beker, Kifenig,
Beermann, Schaper, Sprute, Roddau, Fischer, Thode, Niemeyer. All of these
are from the Welsede, Hamelschenburg area.
The Welsede mentioned in the Giese message is located near Odendorf and is
not the same town as the one near Hamelschenburg. Welsede is located in a

beautiful area and I would highly recommend you go there. The old castle
at
Hamelschenburg is right beside the highway and the little chapel across
the

I noticed the posting from Fritz Giese about the couple from Welsede. I
can't help there but the community is certainly of interest. My Great
Grandfather and at least four of his brothers were born in Welsede or

Hämelschenburg (which I think is nearby) and if anyone has any
information

about these communities, I would love to hear from them. My Great Great
Grandfather was a royal forester and Welsede was one of his duty stations

Here is the information on my Sonneborn family. Again, all of my US
based information says they originated in Hannover. Both of these
families also share some connection with the Runge surname. Because of
the size I will send it separately in German. Thanks, Erin
Freiderich Sonneborn - born 7 March 1817 in Hannover, died 21 June 1886
in Illinois, USA, emigrated sometime before 1860
Wife: Louise or Luise - born 2 February 1824 in Hannover,
died 14 March 1885 in Illinois, USA, emigrated sometime before 1860,
married in Germany.
Children: August Sonneborn - born 10 November 1843 in
Hannover died 18 November 1843 (buried at sea)
Frederick Sonneborn - born 7 March 1846 in
Hannover, died October 1847 in Germany
William Sonneborn - born 2 July 1848 in
Hannover, died 15 December 1868 in Palatine, Illinois, USA
Wilhelmina Sonneborn - born 15 December 1851
in Hannover, died 12 June 1912 in Illinois, USA, married Henry F. Runge
on 19 January 1871.
Sophia L. Sonneborn - born 2 February 1853 in
Hannover, died 6 July 1938 Elgin, Illinois, USA, married Charles
Marckhoff on 29 March 1870.
Louise Sonneborn - born 17 June 1855 Illinois,
USA, died 15 March 1865, Illinois, USA
Caroline Sonneborn - born 4 February 1858
Illinois, USA, died 11 March 1865 Illinois, USA
Emma Sonneborn - born 2 June 1863, Illinois,
USA, died 15 March 1865, Illinois, USA
Emma Sonneborn - born 3 August 1865.

Here is my Ollman Family information. Any help is greatly appreciated.
My information says this family originated in Hannover.
William (Wilhelm) Ollman or Ollmann or Ohlmann - born January 1841
Hannover, died unknown in Illinois, USA, emigrated 1866 to Wisconsin,
USA,
Wife: Caroline or Carlina or Carolina Runke - born May 1842
in Hannover, died unknown in Illinois, USA, emigrated 1866 to Wisconsin,
USA, married before emigration
Children: William Ollman born 1866 in Hannover, died before
1880 in Wisconsin or Illinois, USA
Emma M. Ollman - born July 1869 in Wisconsin,
USA, died unknown Illinois, USA, married John Schuette on 18 March 1891
in Illinois, USA
Albert Henry Ollman - born 7 October 1871 in
Wisconsin, USA, died 30 August 1949 in Colorado, USA, married Mary
Sophia Runge on 13 June 1895 in Illinois.
Wilhelmina Louise Ollman - born 1873 in
Wisconsin, USA, died 31 January 1931 in Illinois, USA, married Reuben
Baker on 9 Sepetmber 1891 in Illinois.
Henry Ollman - born 26 March 1875 Wisconsin,
died April 1971 Wisconsin, USA, married Minnie about 1899 in Illinois,
USA.
Lydia Louise Ollman - born February 1877 in
Wisconsin, died unknown, married Gottfried Christopher Stecher on 9 June
1897 in Illinois, USA
Alice Olive Ollman - born April 1879
Wisconsin, died unknown in South Dakota, married William Freeman
Starbuck on 6 October 1900 in Illinois, USA
Edward Ollman - born April 1879 in Illinois
Clara Ollman - born July 1883 in Illinois
Louis Benjamin Ollman - born 14 May 1886 in
Illinois, died December 1968 in Illinois, married Clara
Pearl Ollman - born August 1889 in Illinois

Darlene: If you are looking on the Hannover list, try hitting Konkordance instead of Gliederung. That brings up the list. (the other 2 are different, I believe) And FYI, I checked with the archiv and it is quite expensive because of the Euro being so high against the dollar - 19 Euros per quarter hour of research!!! But by comparing the numbers, you can at least make an educated guess as to who travelled together. Not much, but a little something. Good luck. Jane
Jane Swan
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Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.

Hi, Pat. The message was from me, Robert (Bob) L Thaden, Jr. Here's the
English version:
My great grandfather was Gerhardt Ludwig Thaden, born in East Friesland,
lived in Aurich and perhaps Neufunnixsiel, married Johanna Christina Amelia
Wilkens in Oct 22, 1859, perhaps in Aurich. He was born Aug 8, 1839.
My grandfather was Eilert Ludwig Thaden.
The only information I have on the parents of Gerhardt Ludwig Thaden is that
they were born in Hannover. I have no information about his brothers or
sisters.
My wife and I were in Aurich in 2000, staying with Frerich and Johanne
Thaden. He searched the city and county and church records, and could not
find this information for me. But I know we are related, because I look
just like their sons!
Any information would be wonderful!!
Vielen Dank,
Robert L. Thaden, Jr. Miles City, Montana USA

Thanks to all who responded to my initial inquiry. The English responses, of course, I could read, however, information from Heinrich Munk I am unable to read. Could someone help me with a translation?
I am grateful to all who replied and I will take all suggestions seriously.
Blessings on you all!
Sincerely,
Peggy Schmidt

"Erin Worsham" <ojaierin(a)comcast.net> schrieb:
> Here is the information on my Sonneborn family. Again, all of my US
> based information says they originated in Hannover.
Hallo Erin Worsham,
a short oversight of the today spread of the name SONNEBORN in Germany showed their main places are in Westfalia, a very centre is Bad Berleburg. In the nowadays parts of the former Kingdom of Hanover you will find one here, one there and some more - about three or four bearer of the name - in the town of 34513 Waldeck. The total number of people with the name Sonneborn in Germany having a telephone should be about 200. Hope this might be a help for starting the search more narrowed to places.
Greetings Hans Peter Albers, Bienenbüttel

Hello Erin,
There is one listing in the emigration archives (Hannover) that lists
a Sophie Sonneborn from Alfeld. That may be no help to you--however, it
could be that she traveled with someone else to join her family in America.
There are no other listings for Sonneborn or Sonnenborn. (Obviously, those
names may be one and the same, so don't limit your search to only one
spelling!)
In the ISTG (immigrant ship lists), there is a listing for:
Friederike Sonneborn 19 Preussen Bodenburg
Date is 1865 which is later than your family emigrated, but it would
indicate that there were Sonneborns in Bodenburg at one time. There is a
Bodenburg which is fairly close to Alfeld (north east).
If you have no more leads, you could check the LDS records for those
places and see if YOUR Sonneborn family was from that area.
Good luck,
Barbara
on 2/27/05 5:43 PM, Erin Worsham at ojaierin(a)comcast.net wrote:
> Here is the information on my Sonneborn family. Again, all of my US
> based information says they originated in Hannover. Both of these
> families also share some connection with the Runge surname. Because of
> the size I will send it separately in German. Thanks, Erin
>
> Freiderich Sonneborn - born 7 March 1817 in Hannover, died 21 June 1886
> in Illinois, USA, emigrated sometime before 1860
> Wife: Louise or Luise - born 2 February 1824 in Hannover,
> died 14 March 1885 in Illinois, USA, emigrated sometime before 1860,
> married in Germany.
>
> Children: August Sonneborn - born 10 November 1843 in
> Hannover died 18 November 1843 (buried at sea)
> Frederick Sonneborn - born 7 March 1846 in
> Hannover, died October 1847 in Germany
> William Sonneborn - born 2 July 1848 in
> Hannover, died 15 December 1868 in Palatine, Illinois, USA
> Wilhelmina Sonneborn - born 15 December 1851
> in Hannover, died 12 June 1912 in Illinois, USA, married Henry F. Runge
> on 19 January 1871.
> Sophia L. Sonneborn - born 2 February 1853 in
> Hannover, died 6 July 1938 Elgin, Illinois, USA, married Charles
> Marckhoff on 29 March 1870.
> Louise Sonneborn - born 17 June 1855 Illinois,
> USA, died 15 March 1865, Illinois, USA
> Caroline Sonneborn - born 4 February 1858
> Illinois, USA, died 11 March 1865 Illinois, USA
> Emma Sonneborn - born 2 June 1863, Illinois,
> USA, died 15 March 1865, Illinois, USA
> Emma Sonneborn - born 3 August 1865.
>
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