I made the same point about the media twisting it into something negative.
Oh and in your next life you are coming back as a Native American. I think you are really underestimating the hurt that was put on them and how it literally changed the face of their existence as a people.
I mean - imagine if we were invaded, disease from the invading force wiped most of us out and the rest of us were rounded up and marched off to some remote part of the country? Would it really be that easy for you or your children or grand children, etc to just go " ahh hell ill learn their language and get a job, no hard feelings? "

I don't but there are plenty of examples of people over coming and moving on with life. The best example would be the Jews and what they have over come. I don't see them rehasing and making excuses because of what happened to them.

I don't but there are plenty of examples of people over coming and moving on with life. The best example would be the Jews and what they have over come. I don't see them rehasing and making excuses because of what happened to them.

So basically eff them? American indian culture is amazing, its ashame what has happened to them and the country should do more to perserve their culture. I think the name change issue is completely idoitic and the oneida are foolish to focus on such a stupid issue instead of drumming up support for more pressing needs for that community.

So basically eff them? American indian culture is amazing, its ashame what has happened to them and the country should do more to perserve their culture. I think the name change issue is completely idoitic and the oneida are foolish to focus on such a stupid issue instead of drumming up support for more pressing needs for that community.

I never said anything close to that. Someone stated that the Indians got the short stick while I agree I responded with this.

"They did get the short stick but in life you have two choices. Keep holding onto that short stick or look to better what you have. "

I was just saying they can't keep on holding onto that short stick and need to move on. Alot of indians have moved on while holding on to trditions. I also agree with you they need to perserve their culture and traditions. Here is a good example of the city I live in giving land back to a tribe to build a replica village. I'll let you know if its worth visting when it finally opens.

I don't but there are plenty of examples of people over coming and moving on with life. The best example would be the Jews and what they have over come. I don't see them rehasing and making excuses because of what happened to them.

This country was not responsible for what happened to the jews though, and there was a world war in which Hitler and the Nazi regime was wiped out and shamed to this day. There is worldwide sympathy and disgust about what happened to the jews, and that is not the case for the native americans.
Also if you think the jews have "gotten over" the holocaust well you should talk to some. Who is making excuses? Jews? Native Americans? For what?
It really cones across as if u think it was their fault for what happened to them.

Seriously. Its sick how they are playing the compassion card over a nickname while they turn a blind eye to the real issues. Guess the name change is an easy fix in their little minds. Them and the self proclaimed indian chief d-bag.
Even the president of the united states who has some power to make some real changes. Ugghh.

(snip)I think the name change issue is completely idoitic and the oneida are foolish to focus on such a stupid issue instead of drumming up support for more pressing needs for that community.

If there's one good thing to come out of the Redskin "controversy", I think this is it. And that would be a good outcome.

I fully expect the complete liberal IDIOTS that insisted the name is racist, to claim "We were only doing it to drum up support for native americans!!!!!" if they are finally called on their stupidity.

If there's one good thing to come out of the Redskin "controversy", I think this is it. And that would be a good outcome.

I fully expect the complete liberal IDIOTS that insisted the name is racist, to claim "We were only doing it to drum up support for native americans!!!!!" if they are finally called on their stupidity.

Just what this thread needs, some political injection. Thanks for being that guy (no offense, the real that guy).

What's sad is that after gaining steam and eventually getting the name changed, everyone is going to go back to ignoring the Native Americans. And one more reminder of their presence will be removed from the mainstream.

I think in some ways focusing on the name is one way for them to draw attention to the other issues. Because let's face it, how many people were even thinking about all the other problems until they said "Why are they worried about the name, look at all the other problems they've got"

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Just what this thread needs, some political injection. Thanks for being that guy (no offense, the real that guy).

What's sad is that after gaining steam and eventually getting the name changed, everyone is going to go back to ignoring the Native Americans. And one more reminder of their presence will be removed from the mainstream.

Dude, as you almost certainly know, it's been political. That has as much to do with this estranged onieda casino owner having pull in this matter, than his native american connections. Not to mention why the vast majority of people "offended" by the name aren't native american.

I don't expect this to become an issue over voting choice, just saying.

I think in some ways focusing on the name is one way for them to draw attention to the other issues. Because let's face it, how many people were even thinking about all the other problems until they said "Why are they worried about the name, look at all the other problems they've got"

Zero...zilch...and nada
Edit : its just this hairbitter (?) guy comes across as more of looking to put himself in the spotlite as opposed to the plight of native americans.
So I am not sure that was his intent, but if that is what comes of it that is great.

Dude, as you almost certainly know, it's been political. That has as much to do with this estranged onieda casino owner having pull in this matter, than his native american connections. Not to mention why the vast majority of people "offended" by the name aren't native american.

I don't expect this to become an issue over voting choice, just saying.

I agree with everything else you said in your post.

I am not offended by the name, but I dont think it matters if you are native american or not. I get offended when I hear someone say something that I deem racist whether it applies to me personally or not.

Dude, as you almost certainly know, it's been political. That has as much to do with this estranged onieda casino owner having pull in this matter, than his native american connections. Not to mention why the vast majority of people "offended" by the name aren't native american.

I don't expect this to become an issue over voting choice, just saying.

I agree with everything else you said in your post.

Halbritter is just part of the anti-name campaign. The American Indian Movement (often known just as AIM) is also hosting a protest at our game in Minnesota. AIM is a major, influential pan-Indian organization which includes members from many tribes and is not associated with Halbritter's Oneida Nation. AIM advocates for Native American rights in a number of ways.