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I can easily do a pitch raise in 40 minutes, sometimes a little less. I have heard of people who can do it in 20.

I'm sorry friends, but I think the main success and basic instructions to tuning the use ear's of audition. The digital tuner is an aid Tuner. If the tuner can not hear a clean 8, 4 and 5 , it is impossible to talk about temperament. Deadline temperament to be as long as necessary to configure each individual pianoRegards for your forum. maxim_tuner_bodger

This guy cannot tune, and more importantly .... is in serious danger of snapping wrestpins the way he flagpoles them with his T bar socket set "tuning hammer" !

The time will judge usmaxim_tuner_bodger

that we can help you.

Some may be unacceptable method of tuning from Maxim. But hour after hour with special keys (T- bar) he carries out the tuning with the help of a plectrum. Kids are filmed, they are happyhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omv1cRji5vM

I realise you are only doing your best MAX, but your best is just not good enough for you to imagine that you could be classed as a tuner or technician. Many people have offered to help you with correct tools and methods, but you don't seem to be at all interested in being guided by skilled craftsmen, preferring instead to carry on as before, continually posting links to your videos. If you really wish to be taken seriously I would suggest that you make more of an effort to change your ways of doing things, and learn from those that are offering you the benefit of their skill and experience.

You clearly have a passion for this kind of work, so why not endeavour to reach the necessary standard? That way you could be held in high regard, and have the ability to get a job anywhere in the world.

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help you with correct tools and methods, but you don't seem to be at all interested in being guided by skilled craftsmen, preferring instead to carry on as before, continually posting links to your videos. That way you could be held in high regard, and have the ability to get a job anywhere in the world.

Dear Johnkie.Thank you for your kind words. You are not quite right when you say that Max "does not want to change and adopt the standard methods of the master-technique." On the contrary, I have come to OUR forum to comprehend the world's practice. However, due to the circumstances of my life, I have to work as conditions permit of my being. "To move to anywhere in the world and work like everything" I do not have a moral right. So, as I can not leave my customers without service, even if it not qualified. So I will learn and improve in service pianomaxim_tuner_bodger

Dan,If the piano is in good technical condition ( tight pin- pin's hole- pinblock ) then I shall tuning more than 5 hours, new 7-9 h

Using either a muting strip or rubber dampers you can cut this time down to 1-2 hrs.Kees

Dear DoelKees,I tried to work with rubber mufflers in the bass sector. However, despite the fact that the sound of "catch" the faster, but the mufflers are constantly falling. If you can provide a link to the video. Sincerely,maxim_tuner_bodger

Made a parcel today for Max with a extension lever, tips, mutes and a few other things.Will find the fastest and most secure way tomorrow to get it shipped to him.

Thank You, pianolive!In recent years fewer and fewer places in our world for the Christian benefactors. People pass with indifference to the sorrows and sufferings of our neighbor. The man, enraged and humiliated, the circumstances of such cruelty being, no longer see the beauty next to each other, help your neighbor.Work tuner, the bulk of routine and monotonous, requiring a special skill of a person and a responsible approach. And, only the final result, well-tuned piano, is a legitimate consolation of his work. Six months ago I signed up at an international forum for piano technicians, with only one purpose - to improve their skills and techniques of tuning a piano. I expect and could not imagine that I learned many new things, able to turn my idea of servicing the piano. The discussion of some of those people showed up, which helped not only advice but also correctly asking my consent, offered selflessly to help with technical equipment. One of them pianolive. He offered to send me to Uralsk (Kazakhstan), a professional classical tuning hammer. In correspondence with him, I politely declined such a proposal, explaining that I had no means to not only buy such a hammer, and even pay the postage. In his reply, pianolive assured me that he wants to do it for free and pay the postage costs. But, in truth, I did not expect that really get at the post office this hammer yesterday. To say that I'm happy it's nothing to say! I am proud that this man did. His Christian selflessly act to help the neighbor strengthened in my faith in the humanist ideals of humanity. Thank you pianolive, speaks maxim_tuner, Thank you I tell you pianolive, clients Uralsk! For my part I am taking the pledge to learn to work a hammer. Together we say: "Thank you, pianolive!With Christian greetings, yours maxim_tunerhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV-vRAcK6ho

Most of the unisons that you are tuning are still not beatless (pure, clean, still). Most of the notes that you played between 0:13 and 0:16, without tuning them, still have beats in them. And the octaves are sometimes too wide or too narrow. For example: when you finish the unison at 0:41, the octave is too narrow.

I would strongly suggest that you use mutes (wedges of rubber or felt) to damp two of the three strings. Then tune the single string to make a good octave. Then, tune the second string to the first, until they are beatless. Two strings must sound like one! Finally, tune the third string to the first two. Three strings must sound like one!

Dear Mark, I am very grateful that you are an active and constructive assessment of actions on my video. I agree that in the intervals specified by you, there are some discrepancies (impure unisons and octaves are narrow). This is a video I have provided for the Forum participants to rejoice with me with the acquisition of this professional tuning L-hammer. As you understand I'm came back again to impure unison and made temperament. Thanks for the tips with mutes. I already used it today. sincerely yours, maxim_tuner

pianolive, thanks for the link. I've already been studying and started trying. The tuning of piano yours bestowed hammer like a fairy tale! Very convenient and simple. I'm just fly, when to apply itMy Greets and Glory.maxim_tuner

Perhaps someone with a smile see before the end the video. Azerbaijani's man middle-aged to try tuning the piano before a concert performance. The quality tuning it is the temperament of the individual taste of each individual, but for the folklore Turkish's songs is quite acceptable. I was interested, then, that the performer uses the plectrumhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPSbfwiV...Uipd4JolDg038DA

Oh, I tried to tune a piano in halfsteps years ago purely by melodic interval, I failed miserably.

I'm going to try it again, though, just in the temperament octave. Who knows what I've developed in the last 50 years.

I tune melodically by halfsteps in the high treble on a pitch raise, I do it first, before the middle treble so theres less flattening by tuning the high treble in sequence. I have a tendency to go sharp, but on a pitch raise, that's a good thing.

Ever tried it?--You don't kno..............

I do the same. I also have tuned with T hammer it have good merit that you understand the pin very well. Hard on the wrist and a little less precise than standard hammer if the pin have to be moved a hair. using no mutes put you in direct contact to partial coupling.those are probably good apprenticing methods. Then a few bricks are missing in Maxims wall situation is not so bad. If he finally heard what is said he will evolve for a more efficient technique.Being the only one is not an advantage in that direction.I believe there are good tuners of course in Russia. Belarus. Etc..people love so much the music there...

Edited by Kamin (04/27/1206:31 AM)

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Oh, I tried to tune a piano in halfsteps years ago purely by melodic interval, I failed miserably.

I'm going to try it again, though, just in the temperament octave. Who knows what I've developed in the last 50 years.

I tune melodically by halfsteps in the high treble on a pitch raise, I do it first, before the middle treble so theres less flattening by tuning the high treble in sequence. I have a tendency to go sharp, but on a pitch raise, that's a good thing.

Ever tried it?--You don't kno..............

Idothe same. I also have tuned with T hammer it have goodmerit thatyou understand the pin verywell. Hard on the wrist and a little less precise than standard hammer if the pin have to be moved a hair. using no mutes put you in direct contact to partial coupling.those are probably good apprenticing methods.

Dear Kamin, thank you for your kind words about the T. I do read books, watch movies, which recommend technicans our Forum. I hope that I will gradually develop the ability to tuning a piano, not only with T-bar, but with a classic L-hammer, courtesy gifted me one member of our community pianolive.If you have a piano video with T-bar, I thirst for links to your video. I am very interested

Hello MAximilian. T hammer was standard at the beginning of the piano era, when the strings where not so stiff.

Buit I seem to understand that more recently it was used by some of the tuners in England.

I would tend to think that this is more acceptable for a grand piano, as for a vertical I find it does not give muich control. As I sasid as it eliminate the lateral torque of the pin, there you understand better what the pin is doing, in the end that may be a good help before using more standard tools.

The pledge or mediator, this is how apprentice tuners begin to work on pianos in the factories, by "chipping" the pianos freshly mounted with new wire, put them in tension, it is yet a commonly used method for that purpose.

After having tuned with mutes for years, if one try to tune by plucking the strings, he will notice a difference in tone in the end. This can help to focus on the different portions of what makes the tone.

Using a mediator is very good training for the ear , with or without dampers, you listen to consonance more than to pitch.

This is one of the problem the apprentice tuner is faced with when he begin to tune with the help of an EDT, he looks for the pitch thru the display. When he tunes unisons afterthat I am unsure he is in the good mood, may be he have a tendency to "stop the display" that makes the unison a tad too straight, just due to a difference in listening. (?)

When you hear the unison with mediator you are well aware of the coupling and the strength it provide (there is too much noise to try to clean the whole spectra anyway)

Possibly if you begin from there then follow with normal playing of the note you will clean up the spectra while keeping the bottom energy well focused. To be experimented...

I had a theory once, it is that the maximum level of "mistuning" allowed in an unison correspond to the difference of the perceived pitch when the note is plucked with a pledge, and when it is normally played with the key.

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I use T hammer for mounting strings or some old models to tune Viennese or very old forte pianos, where torque on the tuning pin have to be low. On a modern piano the tuning pins have to be old and not too stiff to be able to control them. You are more or less obliged to use the slow pull technique with that kind of lever, so again I think it is a good tool to learn (before using a more adequate one !)

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Professional of the profession. Foo Foo specialistI wish to add some kind and sensitive phrase but nothing comes to mind.!

After having tuned with mutes for years, if one try to tune by plucking the strings, he will notice a difference in tone in the end. This can help to focus on the different portions of what makes the tone.

Using a mediator is very good training for the ear , with or without dampers, you listen to consonance more than to pitch.

Kamin,thank you very much for the excellent literary essay "Tuning a piano with a plectrum, without mutes" Wow!

I had a tour in the thread. DId you learn to recognize which string to tune using a mute ? I recall it was difficult to me (30 years ago) to begin to play the notes normally for tuning.

You know how to tune a temperament by now ?

The method you where using reminds me of the way tsymbaly are tuned , I worked on some of them for a classical ensemble for some time, and was always trying to obtain a pure tone, then I have seen that the professionals of that instrument tunes them with a very impure tone, so it cut well in the sound when playing the original music (Romanian music and such)

my clean soundings make even the instrument not recognized..

You made other videos ?

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Professional of the profession. Foo Foo specialistI wish to add some kind and sensitive phrase but nothing comes to mind.!

The method you where using reminds me of the way tsymbaly are tuned , I worked on some of them for a classical ensemble for some time, and was always trying to obtain a pure tone, then I have seen that the professionals of that instrument tunes them with a very impure tone, so it cut well in the sound when playing the original music (Romanian music and such)

You made other videos ?Kamin, maybe you're right, my way of tuning reminiscent method cimbalom- Romanian's , or other stringed plucked ethnic instruments. To achieve the purity of octaves, quart and fifths is possible with this method, but tuner must be very good at listening to the sound wave. I see no difference between the physics of the excitation of the string plucking or the click-blow the piano's hammerhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gQ-ZInLsF4

I have seen that yet, you did not learn more ? plucking or playing ONE string provides a different audible pitch it is way more audible in the treble. It helps to put a finger on what inharmonicity is.

It is necessary to play normally when tuning because that is the way the pianist plays in the end, and because it send more energy in the wire/soundboard.

"static" tuning is too different from the final way the piano is played. As for setting the pin it allow the defined pitch to be definitive, your Russian colleague does not set the pin, so all notes move a very little immediately.

If you could send some videos of what you do those days you could obtain more help, probably. Some tuners learn with methods and video checks it is feasible as long as one understand more the picture. BUt any professional in that job need to be humble as we learn new things always.

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Professional of the profession. Foo Foo specialistI wish to add some kind and sensitive phrase but nothing comes to mind.!

If you could send some videos of what you do those days you could obtain more help, probably.

In this video, I was during the day exercised repair works: removes dust, debris, regulated the hammers, a tuning . It upright 1957 year once it's made no one ever tuning. What sounds in the completion you,Kamin would judge . I tuning this upright piano only with a T- bar. Sincerely, maxim_tunerhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzL2yAOOAuQ

I live in Kazakhstan, where classical music is not claimed . Rare customers are served a small donation for my work. My tuning is certainly far from perfect. I'm begging now, but the temporary the difficulties is nature my of temper. I do not have their own camera. This movie did a customer of piano