​Two Scandals - Roseanne's Tweet & Ireland's Vote

Roseanne Barr deserved to face consequences for her ugly rant on Twitter. It was racist despite her denials. And it gives the target of her rant, former Obama aide Valerie Jarret, the perfect excuse for whatever criticism anyone might have of her role and of the Obama administration’s policies in general: you’re racist to criticize me. And it Barr’s case that evidently seems to be true.

Valerie Jarret got her start in Chicago municipal politics. She became a trusted Obama aide and was with him right till they moved out of the White House in January 2017. It's idiotic to talk about who her great-grandparents happened to be, or whatever. There's so much substance to debate regarding Obama's policies and how his methods are now coming back to haunt him, that Barr just made an important but hardly key player a victim, when she's nothing of the sort. But idiotic rants tend to do that sort of thing.

But let's take the understandable outrage and career self-destruction that Barr managed to generate with a couple of tweets and instead consider how this scandal is linked to another scandal which has, to the contrary, been heartily approved by many in Europe and North America and around the globe.

The repeal of Ireland's 8th amendment.

Abortion is now a supposed healthcare issue. A woman's healthcare issue, not an unborn child's healthcare issue. What was seen as shameful and wrong has been proudly brought into the light, given the best possible medical technology used to end life, and categorized as a human right. Like the right to free speech. Or to worship. In fact, abortion is a right that supersedes the right to worship in the progressive orthodoxy.

All racism attempts to de-humanize it's target. To impose by violence or prejudice or bigotry a diminished set of rights and opportunities to participate in life. Dredd Scott to Jim Crow to Martin Luther King's marches. The apartheid system to Nelson Mandela's liberation. This is a given, understood by all, and agreed with whole heartedly by a substantial majority. It's almost trite to write these words, they are so evident.

Not so with abortion.

Abortion activists deny that a fetus is human or feels pain. Science is discovering that this is not so. The evidence is fairly clear. But to just say this is to be part of a Handmaid's Tale dystopia, a crushing oppressive system that denies women their dignity and humanity. Because you worry about an unborn child. What started as an unpleasant but necessary tactic, as seen by first-wave feminists, in order to deconstruct the post-war mid-20th century family and liberate mothers and housewives, has become a shining creed of light in the eyes of these activists and their many supporters. It's pro-abortion, never minid it even being about choice anymore. This is war, they seem to be saying.

War against whom?

Time will tell how quickly Ireland adopts policies like those available on the continent. It will likely be a fairly brisk march towards easily available abortion, if not quite abortion on demand. But of course this is not a scandal, the vote was not even close. It's liberation, a victory in the war.

Keeley has equated a person’s comments with the life of a helpless child. I don’t think they’re related at all.

I’m willing to let the two subjects of this post take it’s course. If we are going to comment on Roseanne Barr’s comment I’m all for it. If we’re going to comment on Ireland’s willingness to destroy it’s protege, fine as well. Let’s discuss one or the other, but let’s not equate the two.

Stephen, people in Ireland already know that birth control prevents abortion. You can’t export American right wing nonsense there.

Ireland is part of the EU and on the euro. There is not even a border between the republic and the north anymore, although the north is supposedly brexiting and still uses the pound. That doesn’t mean that they don’t still have their own values. It’s “england” that doesn’t have its own values anymore, fooled by liars and frauds just like our fraudulent fraudster of a dumpty.

Disney made a good decision on “Roseanne”. Hopefully they’ll make some even better ones when they get a piece of Sky News and Hulu.

“Obama’s policies and how his methods are now coming back to haunt him” WTF are you even talking about? Answer, or quit writing here. Many of the articles you’ve written here are complete nonsense and should, or would be, deleted from any reputable site.

Want to see a really evil example of dehumanization? Check out the speech by Trump tonight, 5/29/18, in Nashville. He conflates immigrants with MS-13, says they are coming in “by the thousands,” and literally says they are NOT humans; they are animals.

The lies are bad enough, but here, Trump is pushing some really evil sh*t.

Don’t care about Roseanne, she should know that she can only make fun of white people.
Valerie Jarret does resemble Zira from the 2001 movie.
Don’t care about Europe, they are almost at their end.
MS-13 ARE animals.
Illegal aliens ARE criminals.

The leftists are pushing some really evil sh*t with their lies, hypocrisy and anti America rhetoric. They believe our history started under Obama and they are going scorched earth to divide us and rewrite it.

Calling MS13 animals is demeaning to animals, they are worse then animals. Animals don’t do the evil things they do so if phx8 loves them so much maybe he should house a few of them. I agree with kctim, illegals coming into this country ILLEGALLY are criminals. As far as Roseanne goes I hope this starts a trend with all TV shows that not only demean blacks but also any race of people including WHITES to be cancelled, also this would pertain to those of the MSM.

Last night I saw most of that Trump speech in Nashville. I am still kind of shocked by what I saw. That was the President of the United States! He lied with abandon. He called opponents names. An audience that was about 99% white cheered him on- and I guarantee you, Nashville is NOT 99% white. Trump called Hillary Clinton “Crooked Hillary.” The audience chanted “lock her up”. They were chanting to imprison Trump’s political opponent from the last election! As if this was normal!

It looked just like 1930’s Nazi Germany.

Trump denounced a gang saying they were “not even human.” He called them “animals.” He encouraged the crowd to chant the same.

Trump called Nancy Pelosi “MS 13 loving Pelosi.”

Trump said “‘Chuck and Nancy?’ They don’t want the wall, they want open borders, they’re more interested in taking care of criminals than they are of taking care of you.”

He claimed the US was deporting thousands of MS 13 members. There are only 8-10 thousand in the entire United States.

Trump said the opioid numbers were “way down.” That is false. According to the CDC, the epidemic is spreading.

“So how do you like the fact they had people infiltrating our campaign? Can you imagine? Can you imagine? People infiltrating our campaign.”

That is false. Even Congressman Trey Gowdy came out this morning and said the FBI did the right thing.

Economic numbers were simply not true. And no one is building the wall night.

It is simply incredible that Trump supporters accept and even approve of this. Yeah, I know, these rallies have been going on for a while. I knew things were really bad. But if anyone ever wonders how the Germans could turn to the Nazis, look no further than the rally last night in Nashville.

Oh my, Trump called opponents names.
Yet you bent over backwards to explain away Obama calling a large section of the country bitter clingers, and Hillary calling them deplorables.

The audience chanted “lock her up”. They were chanting to imprison Trump’s political opponent from the last election! As if this was normal!
Yet you guys call your President a traitor and want him, his family, and everybody he knows, to be locked up.

MS-13 behave like animals and that makes them animals. You and Pelosi defending them is not going to get you votes.

Shumer and Pelosi do not want a wall or any effective immigration control, they want votes and they are willing to put criminal illegal aliens ahead of the well being of American citizens.

Trump is going after the animals in MS-13 and he is trying to do something about the opioid mess. Petty whining about numbers won’t win you any votes.

People care about their wallets, not how far off the numbers are.

Spare us the stupid nazi BS talking-points. People cried over Obama. They marched and sang about his greatness. They deemed everybody who dared disagree with him to be racist. They riot and attack to silence speech. They purposely divide the country and don’t care one bit how such division is seen by our enemies.

You guys better pull your sh*t together, or you’re going to pull another Hillary in 2020.

Conincidentally, something set off the alarm bells for Thomas Friedman too:

“… the best Republicans have consistently refused to take a moral stand against Trump’s undermining of our law enforcement and intelligence agencies, the State Department, the Environmental Protection Agency, the Civil Service, the basic norms of our public life and the integrity of our elections.”

He believes it is up to the Democrats to take “the House or the Senate — in order to oust the most corrupt Republican lawmakers who lead key committees, to properly oversee the most reckless cabinet secretaries, like Scott Pruitt, and to protect the F.B.I., the Justice Department and Robert Mueller from Trump’s intimidation.”

kctim,
You write: “People care about their wallets, not how far off the numbers are.”

Oddly enough, that is not true. All someone like Trump has to do is keep repeating the same thing over and over until his supporters believe it. For example, before the election, conservative Republicans consistently complained about a bad economy and deficits and the debt. Trump proclaimed the same using ridiculous, made-up statistics, especially about unemployment. Consumer confidence reflected this. It was lower among Republicans than Democrats. After Trump took office, he started talking about how he made the economy great. Consumer confidence stayed the same among Democrats, but rose among Trump supporters, even as deficits and the debt rapidly grew worse.

The content of their wallets did not change. Their belief in what was in their wallets changed.

Trump supporters know he often lies, but as long as Trump keeps appealing to the darkest side of the American character, the bigotry and racism and xenophobia, they will stand behind him. Not corruption, not the destruction of democratic values, not even treason will change their minds.

Phx8,
Those people, and you who now constantly complain about the bad economy and deficits and the debt that you praised under Obama, are not who I was talking about. You guys are going to blindly vote for the R or D no matter what.
I’m talking about the average Joe who went to the polls and voted for Trump instead of Hillary.

I know I’m wasting my time with this, but people don’t support Trump because of bigotry, sexism, racism, xenophobia etc…, they support him because they agree with Trump and the historical definition of those things and don’t agree with how leftists have redefined those things.
They look past the corruption the same way you look past the corruption of Obama and Hillary.
They don’t care about the destruction of liberal values the same way you don’t care about the destruction of our representative Republic, our American values, or our culture.

Fact is that our country is at a crossroad. Half of us support our founders and what our country is supposed to be, and half of you support progressivism and what you want the country to become.

Phx8 please enlighten us what politician doesn’t lie. If you mention any Democrat then you are a lied! Based on your comments and those of oreally I can see why consumer confidence is higher among republicans then democrats. You all have TDS. Phx8 You and your pals would complain if Trump cured cancer and paid off the national debt.

Trump is attempting to make MS 13 the face of all immigrants, legal and illegal. He is dehumanizing them in order to justify shutting down all immigration.

“The 13 Angry Democrats (plus people who worked 8 years for Obama) working on the rigged Russia Witch Hunt, will be MEDDLING with the mid-term elections, especially now that Republicans (stay tough!) are taking the lead in Polls. There was no Collusion, except by the Democrats!”

This tweet from Tuesday was especially alarming. Trump is claiming the Mueller investigation is “meddling” with the midterms. No one knows the timing of indictments from the Mueller investigation, but if it comes before the midterms, Trump will claim it is all “rigged.” What he is doing is dangerous to democracy. And he has no basis whatsoever for accusing the Democrats of collusion with the Russians.
The charge is just bizarre.

Meanwhile, he has done nothing to prevent the Russians from launching another cyber attack during the midterm elections, literally nothing. When UN Ambassador Haley threatened more sanctions against the Russians, Trump came out the next day and said ‘nope.’

And one more time- that Nashville Trump rally was horrifying. That was right out of 1930’s Germany.

kctim,
“They look past the corruption the same way you look past the corruption of Obama and Hillary.”

Simply false. Obama ran one of the cleanest administrations in American history, as measured objectively by the number of indictments; this, despite Issa issuing as many subpoenas as the three previous Oversight chairmen combined. The result? Not one indictment. HRC faced endless accusations, 8 Benghazi committees over a 4 year period, and 2 years of investigations into her e-mail. The result? Not one indictment.

Funny how conservatives let Trump get away with spreading so many lies. Lets look at the one kctim is spreading in this thread. Zero indictments yet still they believe the Obama administration was corrupt. Yet when Trump is accused it is wait a minute no indictments … well maybe some but not for Trump himself. Two different standards. Lies are truth and truth is what benefits them, Zeig Heil.

It is the lies you spread kctim that causes those not swilling the kool aid to look at conservatives today and the people of Germany in the early 30’s and see two peas in a pod.

IMHO the term “deplorables” should be changed to “the gullibles”. I mean deplorables was originally about the extremist nationalist that worked hard for Trumps campaign. A smaller faction of the Trump crowd. But almost all of them buy into the massive amount of lies from Trump and the conservative propaganda machine.

“Obama ran one of the cleanest administrations in history” Now I’ve heard everything, phx8 has flipped. Just proves liberal/progressives are what j2 is trying to call conservatives GULLIBLES. They hear a lie and think it’s the truth and the truth and they call it a lie. They cater to criminal illegals, especially those of MS13.

All propaganda must be popular and its intellectual level must be adjusted to the most limited intelligence among those it is addressed to. Consequently, the greater the mass it is intended to reach, the lower its purely intellectual level will have to be…It is a mistake to make propaganda many-sided, like scientific instruction, for instance…all effective propaganda must be limited to a very few points and must harp on these in slogans until the last member of the public understands what you want him to understand by your slogan.

“Simply false. Obama ran one of the cleanest administrations in American history, as measured objectively by the number of indictments”

Sorry Phx8, but the only measures that can be used objectively are facts.
You look past Attorney General Eric Holder being held in Contempt of Congress.
You look past Hillary using an unsecured private server to send and receive personal and classified material.
You look past Hillary deleting 31,000 subpoenaed emails.
You look past how the VA treated veterans.
You look past the IRS admitting to inappropriate investigations.
You look past Obama always saying he didn’t know anything until he seen it in the news.
There’s more, and they are all things you would be lambasting Trump over.

J2,
I have said many many times that I am waiting for FACTS, and I won’t know them until the investigation is completed. Right now all you guys have are indictments unrelated to collusion with Russia and partisan opinions based on ‘sources’ about this means that which equals this.

And, as I have asked you a million times before, PLEASE point out any lies that I “have spread” and I will happily discuss them.

Both rely on media to spread propaganda. The Nazis relied on the written word and movies. Trumpism relies on Twitter and other social media. Both rely on big rallies for their followers.

Both rely on speech making and the repetition of simple messages. Both use the technique of repeating the Big Lie over and over again.

Both movements are, to a high degree, racially pure. The same holds true for lack of religious diversity. Nazis were mostly Protestant, some Catholic. Trumpists are mostly Evangelical Christians, some Catholic.

Both Nazism and Trumpism concentrate on hatred of foreigners- the Other. Nazis focused on Jews and the foreign powers that defeated them in WW1, but also looked down on blacks, Muslims, gays, and so on. Trumpism focuses on Mexicans, Central Americans, blacks, Muslims, gays, however, Trumpism welcomes members of those minorities if they attack their own minority, or condemn political opponents. A strain of anti-Semitism also haunts the fringes.

Want to see a really evil example of dehumanization? Check out the speech by Trump tonight, 5/29/18, in Nashville. He conflates immigrants with MS-13, says they are coming in “by the thousands,” and literally says they are NOT humans; they are animals.

This is what phx8 said at the beginning of this thread. He literally changed the subject bringing up Trump’s speech.

Let me point out how phx8 is blatantly lying in his comment. If he actually listened to Trump’s speech he would see none of what he says in his comment is true.

At no time did Trump refer to immigrants as animals. That is a phx8’s (msnbc’s?) fallacious remark. phx8 also claims Trump said MS-13 are “coming in” by the thousands. This is not true. Trump said he is shipping out MS-13 gang members “by the thousands”. phx8 is wrong again. I knew he was wrong when he said it, but I had to watch Trump’s speech first (something phx8 obviously didn’t do) before I commented.

I knew phx8 was lying when he posted his comment. After watching Trump’s speech, I have now proven it.

WW,
I stand corrected. Trump said ““We’re taking them out of the country by the thousands.”

Trump’s claim is false, of course. For fiscal year 2017 a total of 796 were arrested, and for the first quarter of this year, another 405. It is highly unlikely they were all deported, since there is currently a wait time for a hearing of 685 days before a judge can order deportation.

Trump also previously claimed records were set for MS 13 arrests. That is false too. More gang members were arrested in fiscal years 2007 and 2008.

3. The tax cuts were the largest in history. (Again, no. They ranked 12th).

4. Trump claimed construction had begun on the border wall. (False. It has not).

The problem with the endless litany of lies is that it becomes nearly impossible to debunk all of them. It leaves the country numb. Personally, there is no way I can even begin to address them, and should I make a mistake and say on WB that they are entering rather than being deported, it consumes even more time correcting an honest error. (I had to go back and check too). Whether they are supposedly entering or being deported, the statement by Trump would obviously be false as a matter of common sense.

j2t2,
Ah yes, all those objections to the Clinton Foundation and accusations of ‘pay to play,’ even though the Foundation was completely transparent, its administrative costs low, its causes worthy, and the Clintons receiving no personal benefits from it.

Now we see grotesque examples of corruption, and the Trumps don’t even bother to hide it. Nepotism lets Jarvanka and Trump use the White House to make deals and obtain loans personally beneficial to themselves, in exchange for changing US foreign policy & granting favors to the likes of China, Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Qatar, and Israel.

The inability of the GOP to hold the Trumps accountable is one of the scariest things about this administration. The American experiment is hanging by a thread, dependent upon a completed Mueller investigation and fair, successful midterm elections. Neither is assured.

Did the people of Germany elect a president (leader) who publicly espouse(s)d freedom of religion?

Royal you seem to be proving my point about the people of Germany during the 30’s and the conservative movement of today.

“These were some of the reasons why most Christians in Germany welcomed the rise of Nazism in 1933. They were also persuaded by the statement on “positive Christianity” in Article 24 of the 1920 Nazi Party Platform, which read: “

Yes I do J2, which is why I posted a few of them that show the ‘dishonest or fraudulent conduct by those in power’ of those in the Obama administration.

Phx8,
I didn’t mention the Clinton Foundation, but yet you choose to bring that up rather than the facts that were actually mentioned. I would say that I am surprised, but sadly, it no longer does.

To top it all off, you use the lack of indictments to claim Obama had the “cleanest administration in American history,” while at the same time, and despite the lack of indictments, you are stating as fact that the Trumps are guilty of corruption, nepotism, collusion, conspiracy and treason.
Have you lost all ability to be rational and honest? Is this why you have began ignoring our nations history and started parroting the nazi BS?

phx8’s comments are equivalent to throwing shit against the wall to see what sticks.

His first comment in this thread was a total fabrication. He simply put it out there expecting people to believe it.

Just like the MSM putting out photos of illegal minors in cages taken in 2014 and claiming it is recent history under Trump. Total lies and phx8 perpetrates them with reckless abandon in his effort to bash Trump.

They have no shame. I have no idea why they are still a viable political party.

Weary why such a double standard? You attack phx8 for a mistake. calling him a liar after he has acknowledged his mistake yet Trump on a daily basis lies and offers nothing but more lies and you defend him!

Bribery is not the only form of corruption J2. Lies, refusing to aide in an investigation, destroying evidence, misappropriation of funds: all examples of dishonest and/or fraudulent conduct.
General Shinseki voluntarily resigned in 2014, so not sure how he is “Trumps boy at the VA.”

Your willingness to look past the wrongs of your own only leads to the other side being willing to do the same for their own.
Well, that and the tactic of using the meaningless to be able to claim how much Trump lies. I have a feeling this tactic was adopted because Hillary was proven to be a liar and it attributed to her losing the election.
Funny thing though, Americans don’t care about what somebody claims about the size of crowds, but they do expect the truth when it comes to national security.

Lies, refusing to aide in an investigation, destroying evidence, misappropriation of funds: all examples of dishonest and/or fraudulent conduct.

Kctim, this is the Trump administration to a Tee. Trumps reputation as a liar is second to none. Has he went in front of the Mueller investigation yet? His cabinet is the poster boy for misappropriation of funds. Ben Carlson 47k for a dining room set for his office! This from the guy who came to drain the swamp. Then there is the Trump crime family using the office of president to gain business loans from China. That is corruption at its worst.

Yet you keep trying to dredge up stuff on the Obama administration! OH that is when you aren’t busy blaming others for your teams lapses in ethics and accountability. The Obama administration was investigated by Congress for most of the things you want to claim is corruption, usually more than once, and still no indictments.

It is important not to be distracted by sideshow issues, ‘whataboutism,’ or other attempts to distract, deflect, or attack. The most common defense of Trump is not to defend him at all, but point fingers in different directions-

What about Hillary Clinton…
What about Obama…

The usual tactic is to accuse them of doing something Trump has been proven to have done, and then claim it would be hypocritical to condemn Trump’s wrongdoing, as if it is somehow impossible to ever make any kind of judgment about him.

Another tactic is to minimize the wrongdoing. For example, felonies are somehow less serious if they are process crimes; or, only one person in the administration has pleaded guilty, as if the National Security Advisor lying about his conversations with the Russian Ambassador is, well, meh, and all those people from Trump’s campaign suddenly don’t count.

So stay focused. Yeah, I know, the corruption is really bad. Trump threatened to go back to the two-China policy, China gave Ivanka patents, and poof! No more talk of two Chinas. There has been that kind of gross corruption in relation to Saudi Arabia, the UAE, and Qatar. The cabinet is full of abusive use of taxpayer dollars, and some of the worst, like Tom Price at HHS, are already gone.

There is a general diminishment of the United States and civil discourse. It is justified as doing away with political correctness.

We’re in the midst of high oil prices, tax cuts for the rich and corporations that will blow up the deficits and debt in spectacular fashion, and additional steps in trade wars.

But all that pales to the existential threat that Trump poses to democracy and free & fair elections. He is a crook and a traitor, and he has been compromised by the Russians. He can not and will not say anything negative about them, and he can not and will not do anything to safeguard the upcoming midterms.

That is dangerous. The only thing standing between the complete failure of the American experiment is the Mueller investigation and successful, fair midterms.

I think we will come through this successfully. But we are hanging by a thread.

But we (Liberals) are hanging by a thread.
Posted by: phx8 at May 31, 2018 3:51 PM

How true phx8. That is my claim also, as I have written, about you Liberals within the Democrat Party. After November, the DNC will realize its future does not need flaming Liberals with their scorched earth policies to diminish America and her citizens.

Moderate Democrats, being the adults in the DNC, will once again align themselves with justice under the Constitution. We will find a greatly changed DNC for the 2020 election; one in which phx8 and j2t2 will find no companions.

RF,
Germany of the 1930’s was very similar to the Trump administration. Both closely combine corporate and government interests. That is one of the primary hallmarks of fascism, by the way. American conservatives used to talk about smaller government, but that went by the wayside with the Bush administration, which greatly expanded the size of the government with the TSA and military spending; in fact, by the end of the second term, the only thing that kept the Bush administration above water on job creation was those government jobs.

Job creation during the Obama administration was almost entirely in the private sector.

The close alignment between government and business in the Trump administration mostly involves the fossil fuel industry, banks, and telecoms, and the proverbial military-industrial complex. In exchange for deregulation and privatization, the corporations reward the Trump administration and Republicans with vast amounts of money funneled through PACs.

As for respect for borders, we already know Germany went from plebiscites and the Anschluss in the early 1930’s to conquest in 1939.

The Trump administration launched a largely symbolic airstrike on Syria without authorization from Congress. Other than that, we are still to early to know how isolationist the Trump administration will be.

The relationship with Mexico is going downhill fast. A nationalist, Lopez Obrador, may very well win their next election, and given the burgeoning trade war and racist comments by Trump about Mexicans, we will probably face the most unfriendly Mexican government in a very, very long time.

The additional tariffs against the EU and Canada will also worsen relations with neighbors.

About the only countries who seem to like Trump and the GOP are the Israelis and Russians.

This is called projecting Weary. It is you trying to convince others that some one else is lying when in fact it is you. You should believe them because the truth matters and you have veered so far from the truth to protect Trump you have zero credibility.

You are the poster boy for the conservative that reminds us of the people of Germany in the early 30’s.

“In exchange for deregulation and privatization, the corporations reward the Trump administration and Republicans with vast amounts of money funneled through PACs.”

How odd that phx8 believes “deregulation and privatization” are only of benefit to corporate America, and not main-street America and citizen America.

Privatization is a hallmark of Conservative policy. President Trump ran and won on the idea of lowing unemployment by bringing lost jobs back to America. He ran and won on the idea that government is too large, too cumbersome, too intrusive, and too restricting on private enterprise.

Liberals object to leveling the playing field on trade.

Why is that phx8? Why should America continue to run huge trade deficits with our trading partners?

If you understand how he maneuvered NATO into paying its fair share for our mutual defense, you will understand his strategy on trade.

President Trump is for fair and equal trade. He knows that American workers, given fair and equal treatment, are the best and most innovative in the world.

“How odd that phx8 believes “deregulation and privatization” are only of benefit to corporate America, and not main-street America and citizen America.”

Because deregulation and privatization lead to disasters like the economic collapse in 2008, the poisoning of the population in Flint Michigan, the mass shootings after the assault rifle ban lapsed in 2003, and so on.

“President Trump ran and won on the idea of lowing unemployment by bringing lost jobs back to America.”

Nice idea. Hasn’t happened.

“He ran and won on the idea that government is too large, too cumbersome, too intrusive, and too restricting on private enterprise.”

Really? Must have missed that.

“Why should America continue to run huge trade deficits with our trading partners?”

Because a trade deficit is not the same as a budget deficit. A trade deficit happens when our economy is strong and our dollar is strong. That means our exports are relatively expensive in other countries, but our imports are relatively cheap. Because the US dollar is the currency of last resort, it means some of that money that went to buy good from other countries comes back to the US to buy T-Bills, among other things.

Free and fair trade is a lot more complicated than a slogan. It requires multi-lateral negotiations that take time, like the TPP and NAFTA, and international arbiters to act as referees.

That must be true phx8. We have not had free and fair trade in many long years.

For example…

Democrats have coalesced in favor of trade policy reform over the past decade as President Bill Clinton’s NAFTA, WTO and China trade deals not only failed to deliver the promised benefits but caused real damage,” said Lori Wallach of Global Trade Watch to Nation contributing editor Christopher Hayes.

NAFTA has been renegotiated 13 times prior to the Trump administration. We run a trade surplus with Canada.

Trade deals with China suffered precisely because deregulation allowed American companies to relocate jobs without paying any penalties. Those companies were then allowed to ship goods produced by cheap Chinese labor back into this country. All in the name of deregulation and ‘free trade.’

In this country, profoundly anti-labor policies, such as opposition to labor unions, put American workers into a downward spiral as they attempted to compete with cheap labor from China.

Post WWII Germany never suffered this problem, by the way, not because of government regulations, but because Germans fully supported trade unions, and German consumers ‘buy German.’ American consumers cut their own economic throats by buying cheap goods from abroad, even as they supported the GOP and its opposition to labor unions.

Did the people of Germany demand smaller government, fewer government regulations, and equality for all its citizens?

I don’t think so Royal they were mired down from WWI and the great depression, their money going to pay off war debts. But…really… equality for all….you ,LOL, surely aren’t saying this is some conservative policy are you?

Did the people of Germany elect a leader who respect(s)d the borders of other countries?

They sure did right up until the time he invaded other countries in 1939. He won in 1933 and was very popular although his party wasn’t nearly as popular,(sound familiar?)then by a landslide in 1938, still respecting the borders of other countries..well up to March of ‘39. But then the Germans were in the MGGA mode, make Germany great again (sound familiar?) and taking back what was theirs. Parts of Czechoslovakia then Austria and then into Poland.

Because if history teaches us anything, it is that nothing can ever go wrong with a trade war.

This morning Trump tweeted a hint about the most closely held piece of market information before the market opened. No president has ever done that before. Ever.
Bet Trump’s buddies loved that one! Inside trade much, Donald? Treasuries and the dollar immediately jumped. That will keep the SEC, CBOE, and a lot of others busy investigating- if, that is, they bother to look into inside trading.

Don’t be idiots. This is the most important single economic statistic out there. Even a hint the numbers are positive or negative can make for huge movements in the markets. On the announcement of this news the volume jumped.

Worse, it pretty much demands an investigation by the SEC, CBOE, and commodities boards into insider trading. If Trump was willing to tweet this before it was announced, what are the chances he filled in his buddies?

Worser, every future report will be hanging on Trump’s words before the public announcement. Should lack of news or no tweet from Trump be interpreted as a negative? Should we now hang on his every word for news about the economy? Markets move in literally fractions of a second. Does this mean everyone now has to follow Trump’s twitter account?

The damage this does is real and potentially long lasting, and it absolutely reeks of corruption.

Waste more tax payer money over nothing. Stock market is up 176 now not like it gained or lost substantially, phx8. If the tweet gave the numbers then maybe you would have concerns. Morning Joe got you all excited over nothing.

Allow me to help phx8 understand the relationship between wages and inflation.

During his entire term, Obama worked to keep wages from rising to keep inflation in check.

Now, phx8 wants wages to rise faster than inflation?

“U.S. inflation came in at 2.1% in January compared with a year earlier, another sign that wages are rising for workers. The rise in consumer prices was higher than economists expected.

In the big picture, it’s a welcome sign that reflects the health of the economy. Wages and prices have been stagnant for years following the Great Recession, even as unemployment has fallen and millions of jobs have been created added.”

Simply put, since it is more cognitively taxing to process a large number of complex arguments, the more information you present in support of your stance past a certain point, the lower the likelihood that the person you are talking to will be able to successfully internalize that information, and the lower the likelihood that they will agree with your overall stance.

Jean Baudrillard is synonymous with the concepts of hyperreality and simulacrum that have come to shape media theory since the early 1980s. Baudrillard’s corpus is central to the field of media studies, particularly because the structuralism of his earliest work, anticipates an analysis of media within cultural systems that moves those media away from any objective, technical determinism to instead understand their dematerialized circulation within a system of consumption. Baudrillard’s later work further extends this project, a new discussion of what he calls simulation, a bizarre endemic to post-industrial consumer societies so inundated by media experience that the referential logic behind media has broken down to reveal indifference, or worse, nothing at all. Even in his more recent work…

Royal Flush, I’d like to include all the jobs that Trump has saved! He has saved millions of jobs, jobs that would have been lost had Hillbilly been elected! We have to give Trump credit for the millions who are still working.

Failed Royal, you failed to read and comprehend what I have been saying for years now. I am not saying conservatives are Nazi’s as you suggest. I have explained this many times but since you cannot seem to comprehend it I will say it again.

Conservatives of today not all conservatives, definitely the gullibles that believe Trump, but most of them are like the people of German during the ‘20’s and 30’s. They wanted to make Germany great again and used hate as the tool. Just like Trump followers want to make America great again but instead make America hate again. Not because they want a Nazi regime but because they have been fooled by a con man.

Conservatives are being fooled, I mean a man that for 60 years that has not given a rats a** about the little guy is now the champion of the little guy! According to you anyway. The same thing happened in Germany , a group of otherwise good people were fooled by a con artist and the propaganda machine he had created. They were led down a path that later they regretted.

Your silly questions are nothing more than an attempt to mislead your fellow conservatives Royal. That is why you make up this bogus comment and that is why you seek minute differences to “prove” it isn’t you guys that are so gullible and so willing to fall in line. But it is Royal.

OK j2t2, we; the gullible, deplorable, racist, and every other “ist” imaginable; elected Donald Trump to the presidency of the United States in a fair and free election. No one has found any connection between the presidents campaign and Putin. If you can j2t2; please back up your statement regarding Putin. Facts would be nice.

President Trump is doing what he said he would try to do in his campaign. His popularity is growing to include those who did not vote for him. As they join us “gullibles” we celebrate a president who is “MAKING AMERICA GREAT AGAIN”.

As the presidents popularity rises, the hate from the left does also. We expect it j2t2. Will hate win the November elections for Democrats?

This is what “making America great again” looks like phx8 and j2t2. Please notice the boost in private capital investment and consumer spending. Some of us recall the naysayers who wrongly claimed that the money saved by lowering of corporate income taxes would simply be used to buy back their own stock.

It is increasingly embarrassing for Liberals who predict crap that never happens much like the “fake news media”.

“The Atlanta Fed forecasts a big boost in private sector fixed investment, which includes capital investment in machinery, land, buildings, vehicles, and technology. Earlier, the Atlanta Fed saw this growing at 4.6 percent. But following the release Friday of a construction spending report from the U.S. Census Bureau and the Manufacturing ISM Report On Business from the Institute for Supply Management, this was upgraded to 5.4 percent growth.

Consumer spending is expected to grow at a 4.6 percent rate, up from 3.4 percent prior to the Friday data releases.”

The economy was good under Obama. The economy is good under Trump. That is not surprising because it is the same economy with the same trends intact. What are we up to now? 92 consecutive months of job growth? Yeah. That’s right.

There have been three major economic developments under Trump: 1) tax cuts, 2) the trade war, and 3) higher oil prices.

The tax cuts should provide a stimulus to an economy already at full employment, and with corporations already at record earnings. However, the effect will be regional. The economic leaders- CA, NY, and other blue states that invest in infrastructure and education- will actually pay more, redistributing their revenues to the less successful red states.

The trade war will be a drag on the economy. These are the early stages, so it is too soon to estimate the damage, although the soy farmers are already feeling it. Red states are being targeted by China, the EU, Canada, and Mexico. So, at the same time tax revenues are being redistributed from blue states to red state, the red states will economically suffer from the targeted tariffs of the trade war.

Higher oil prices- they averaged $2.40 nationwide at the end of the Obama administration and now stand at just under $3.00 nationwide- will be a drag on the economy.

The combination of too much money chasing the same amount of goods, along with higher oil prices will accelerate increases in inflation, and increase the Federal Reserve’s pace of interest rate hikes.

Two huge factors could affect the economy and the upcoming midterms: 1) the Mueller investigation, and 2) increased health care insurance premiums,

That’s the whole point, right, to affect the midterms? I think, at the beginning of this, it was mentioned that the results could be coming around the time the voters go to the polls in November.

We can expect Meuller to come out with some bogus perjury or obstruction charges around October. They will be focused on up to the election, and a few weeks after, disappear into obscurity, only to be brought up years later as unfounded.

We’ve all seen it before. It’s standard operating procedure for Democratics when trying to win an election.

Oh please Royal you finally read it yourself and seem to now be projecting onto others. Like I said this has been a trend since the Reagan revolution and is only getting worse. What exactly has Trump done to fix this problem? How can America be great again with polices that punish the poor?

From the link
“But the policies pursued over the past year seem deliberately designed to remove basic protections from the poorest, punish those who are not in employment and make even basic health care into a privilege to be earned rather than a right of citizenship,” Alston said.

Such a twisted version of things kctim. Whose individual rights and responsibilities are we talking about? The individual rights of a corporation is an oxymoron IMHO. You also seem to talk about the individual rights of the wealthy corporations and the personal responsibility of the poor. Instead of the individual rights of the poor and the responsibility of the wealthy corporations. Yet the issue is about government policy, specifically Trumps policy and you tell us it is best for the government to forgo the rights of over half the people of the country for the rights of a few business entities. Where is the responsibility of the government and of the business entities in all of these bumper sticker slogans you use to misled us with?

You know, now that you have changed subjects lets divert from Trumps lies and what does make America great. Because you just have to protect Trump…right?

The article starts off quoting Trump, talking about Korean War. He said it was “the longest war”.

The first paragraph the author writes, he says “the longest war ever”. The then goes on to list a number of wars throughout history that are longer than 70 years.

The author ignored the context of Trump’s statement in an effort to claim Trump is lying, or ignorant, or speaks “out of turn”, any and all of which are added to a counter the left is maintaining for that very purpose.

This is what consumes the left. It isn’t accuracy that they covet, it’s the gotcha moment. This article demonstrates why I can’t trust the MSM. The lie takes over and drives the news.

When I talk about individual rights and responsibilities, I am referring to the, wait for it, the individual. Gasp!

Trumps policy isn’t really all that different than right wing policy we have had in the past. NOT some new fascism that Trump has brought upon us.
You don’t have an individual right to be taken care of if you are poor or unemployed. Nor do you have one to be provided free health care. You don’t have an individual right to the property of the wealthy, or to force them to pay for your hardships.
The responsibility of the government is to run government, not our lives.

This has nothing to do with Trump, I’ve been yammering about individual rights on here since Bush.

In a tweet today, Trump announced that “I have the absolute right to PARDON myself.”

His legal team announced that Trump can not be indicted and he can not be subpoenaed.

He is literally above the law.

Only impeachment can restrain him. Impeachment can be for high crimes and misdemeanors, but it is a fundamentally political process. Impeachment by the House can be ignored. It only matters if the Senate goes through with it, and that requires 34 votes. As long as Trump’s base of 32-42% stays with him, and election laws like Citizens United allow politicians to be bought, the GOP Senators will stand with him, and he will not be removed from office.

That is why Trump keeps repeating the same lies over and over again, out loud and in all caps in his tweets: NO COLLUSION, WITCHHUNT, HOAX, FAKE NEWS. That is all it takes to keep Trump supporters in line- repetition of the same Big Lie, over and over again.

And if anyone thought this is not a dictatorship in the making, once again, Trump announced he can pardon himself, and his legal team announced he can not be indicted or subpoenaed. He is above the law.

Dumpty seems to think the constitution is whatever he says it is. (L’etat, c’est moi) He brings to mind historical antecedents. In 1825, people in St. Petersburg were demonstrating over which one of Tsar Alexander’s brothers would succeed him. Their rallying cry was Constantine and Constitution. According to historian RR Palmer, most of them thought Constitution was Constantine’s wife. Dumpty’s followers are about that ignorant.

Dumpty’s arguments remind me of Charles I’s general attitude towards government, which ended with the removal of his head in front of his nice Banqueting House at Whitehall. Maybe Melania is off trying to find an army for her husband, like Queen Henrietta Maria. How far will this traitor go before someone stops him. The KKK/NRA/GOP certainly isn’t going to stop him. They’re opposed to the form of government of The United States of America, and allied with foreign interests.

Dumpty has repeatedly violated his oath of office, besides the espionage and treason that helped him get elected. He is corrupt beyond precedent, and is now trying to reverse everything that resulted from the Nixon episode in our history. That could have been prevented if Johnson had arrested Nixon for his treason in 1968, but LBJ was unpopular and our previous presidents were averse to doing anything that would directly affect elections, not like this POS.

“It’s like talking to a toddler.” We’re still pretending that the “summit” in Singapore is going to happen June 12. Security is being ramped up there, but it’s supposed to happen in an area full of hotels. I don’t think it will happen. Kim might not want to leave his country for fear of a coup, or because he doesn’t want to murder everyone that he suspects in advance of a summit, although human rights are not going to be on the table in anything Dotard Dumpty’s “administration” does.

My take?
People ALOT smarter than you or I will be the ones who determine those things.

My take on what happens until those people might have to determine those things?
You guys keep your hate, lies and hypocrisy dialed up to 11 and keep screaming the dictator, racist, sexist and nazi nonsense.

And yes, as long as you guys are spouting such nonsense, I am going to keep laughing at you.

Let’s vote on who believes this is not opinion as j2t2 seems to believe.

From the link
“But the policies pursued over the past year seem deliberately designed to remove basic protections from the poorest, punish those who are not in employment and make even basic health care into a privilege to be earned rather than a right of citizenship,” Alston said.
Posted by: j2t2 at June 3, 2018 10:43 PM

kctim,
You write: “People A LOT smarter than you or I will be the ones who determine those things.”

That is abdicating.

As for what they might determine? There is no ‘might’ about it. Trump has already said what he has determined. He can not be indicted or subpoenaed, the appointment of Mueller was unconstitutional, and he can pardon himself. With those powers, no one can stop him, not even the Supreme Court. The only possible check would be impeachment, and like I said, that is a political process. As long as Trump holds on to 34 Senators, he will be free to do whatever he wants.

The corruption- the wholesale violation of the emoluments amendment- continues.

He has repeatedly attacked the free press as “the enemy of the American people.”

In declaring tariffs Trump has called Canada a “national security threat.” The Canadian PM calls it “insulting.”

“So, what you are saying to us and to all of your NATO allies is that we somehow represent a national security threat to the United States. And I would just say to all of Canada’s American friends — and there are so many — seriously? Do you really believe that Canada, that your NATO allies represent a national security threat to you?
And that is why the prime minister said it is, frankly, insulting.”
Chrystia Freeland, Canadian Foreign Minister

Trump continues launching economic attacks against our democratic allies, the countries that share our values. Or, at least, what used to be our values. He has not said one word to Kim Jong Un about democratic values and human rights.

ohrealy,
Kim Jong Un just replaced three of his top military people with younger officers. Sounds like he is not taking any chances on a coup if he goes out of the country.

When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present…
Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law…
The Senators and Representatives.. shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses…
And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.

Phx8,
IF the Mueller investigation leads to actual crimes being charged, our legislative process and experts will determine what needs to be done. Not you, me or Trump.

The emoluments clause? According to you all, no indictment = no wrong doing. Has Trump been indicted on this?

There is nothing wrong with an American President fighting for trade policies that favor America.

Newsflash: Our values predate 2008 and democratic socialist countries have never shared all of them with us.

Kim Jong Un is a communist dictator with nuclear weapons. The nuclear weapons are why we are trying to negotiate with him. A de-nuclearized Korean Peninsula would be what’s best for us.
So-called democratic values and human rights are part two of the equation.

Sad that your hate for the right prevents you from seeing things in a rational manner.

Here’s another example of the left making things up to add to their counter.

Trump tweeted:

While all agree the U.S. President has the complete power to pardon, why think of that when only crime so far is LEAKS against us. FAKE NEWS

phx8 interprets it:

Trump has already said what he has determined. He can not be indicted or subpoenaed, the appointment of Mueller was unconstitutional, and he can pardon himself.

phx8’s description of what Trump tweeted is so far removed from the actual quote it’s fiction!

phx8 believes Trump said he cannot be indicted or subpoenaed. I need to see a video of Trump saying this, phx8, because I think it’s another one of your exaggerations. Prove it. Show me a full video of the conversation Trump is having where he made this statement. While you’re at it, get a full video of Trump saying he can pardon himself. I want to see that one, also.

The reason I’m asking is because I don’t think they exist. I think this is a figment of your, and those who think like you, imagination! You are making a case off of what you think someone said, not what was actually said. A true mental disorder.

I can see this, phx8! I’m not blind! It’s obvious to me what is going on! You are making up stuff just to tar Trump with it! You should stop this, and concentrate on trying to make your position acceptable instead of making Trump’s position seem unacceptable.

kctim,
No indictments after an investigation is completed means there will not be any indictments. No criminal wrongdoing was found. No indictments PRIOR to the completion of an investigation is a very different thing, especially when a number of others have already been indicted and pleaded guilty, including a National Security Advisor, a Campaign Manager, a Deputy Campaign Manager, a Foreign Policy Advisor, and others, not to mention the repeated renewal of FISA warrants for yet another Foreign Policy Advisor who is probably a Russian spy. (Not a very good one, but they’re not all James Bond, y’know).

Trump has consistently behaved like a guilty party, constantly denying, changing his story, accusing others of doing what he has been accused of doing, and so on.

Now he claims he cannot be indicted, subpoenaed, and the special counsel is unconstitutional, AND Trump can pardon himself. He is above the law. The Supreme Court can say whatever it wants, but if Trump claims he is above the law, the SCOTUS is powerless.

Trump is already making claims about meddling in the upcoming midterms by the Mueller investigation, calling the midterms ‘rigged.’ Are you ready for where this is going?

RF,
Canada is NOT a national security threat, and neither is the EU. The US military uses Canadian steel and aluminum and vice versa. To suddenly go from trade negotiations, which every administration does, to tariffs against our closest allies makes no sense; worse yet, we are now declaring them national security threats.

Am I ready for where this is going?
Well, let’s see. Going from history:

IF the Mueller investigation comes to the conclusion that Trump colluded with Russia and the facts prove it, then the appropriate punishment will take place. A few on the right will hold little rally’s and that will be the end of it.

If the Mueller investigation comes to the conclusion that Trump did not collude with Russia, the left will lose its sh*t, riots, destruction and violence.

Kim Jong Un just replaced three of his top military people with younger officers. Sounds like he is not taking any chances on a coup if he goes out of the country.
Posted by: phx8 at June 4, 2018 3:00 PM

Has anyone mentioned that we’re probably going to end up paying the whole cost of the North Korean delegation if they go to Singapore? What happened to all those cheap arse right wingers not willing to give anyone a blank cheque, much less an actual bunch of commies?

There is some speculation that “rocket man” replaced top military hard-liners as he wanted more pliable men who would not oppose any reconciliation or concession with President Trump on nuclear weapons and missiles.

Since the subject of the post has never been adhered to, I’d like to demonstrate what the left consider one of Trump’s lies.

Weary please show me where this article you linked to stated Trump lied. I didn’t see it despite them showing several examples of misinformation from Trump.

Trump falsely calls Korean war ‘the longest’ in history in a string of inaccurate claims

True statement and the author backed it up with the comment Trump made as well as proof that no matter how you want to twist it what he said was false.

The author ignored the context of Trump’s statement in an effort to claim Trump is lying, or ignorant, or speaks “out of turn”, any and all of which are added to a counter the left is maintaining for that very purpose.

Once again Weary show me where the author “ignored the context of Trump’s claim” or for that matter where the author said “Trump is lying” “or ignorant” “or speaks out of turn”. And where was this counter in the article you linked to? The author quoted Trump and either way he is wrong 65 years isn’t the longest war in history and no we haven’t been at war in Korea since the armistice. If this information was important why not make it accurate? Why let Trump turn it into something it isn’t?

This is what consumes the left. It isn’t accuracy that they covet, it’s the gotcha moment. This article demonstrates why I can’t trust the MSM. The lie takes over and drives the news.

What bulls**t Weary. this wasn’t a gotcha moment it was an accurate reflection of what Trump said and what the the facts are. The president of the United States is often called out when he is wrong, the problem you have is Trump is wrong so often it has been tracked. The MSM is doing their job reporting the misinformation that spews from the mouth of Trump so often. And pray tell show me where the author lies on the link. The president is the news on the political front and should be honest and accurate in his statements, you held Obama to that standard why drop the bar so low for Trump?

Since the subject of the post has never been adhered to, I’d like to demonstrate what the left consider one of Trump’s lies.

Weary please show me where this article you linked to stated Trump lied. I didn’t see it despite them showing several examples of misinformation from Trump.

Trump falsely calls Korean war ‘the longest’ in history in a string of inaccurate claims

True statement and the author backed it up with the comment Trump made as well as proof that no matter how you want to twist it what he said was false.

The author ignored the context of Trump’s statement in an effort to claim Trump is lying, or ignorant, or speaks “out of turn”, any and all of which are added to a counter the left is maintaining for that very purpose.

Once again Weary show me where the author “ignored the context of Trump’s claim” or for that matter where the author said “Trump is lying” “or ignorant” “or speaks out of turn”. And where was this counter in the article you linked to? The author quoted Trump and either way he is wrong 65 years isn’t the longest war in history and no we haven’t been at war in Korea since the armistice. If this information was important why not make it accurate? Why let Trump turn it into something it isn’t?

This is what consumes the left. It isn’t accuracy that they covet, it’s the gotcha moment. This article demonstrates why I can’t trust the MSM. The lie takes over and drives the news.

What bulls**t Weary. this wasn’t a gotcha moment it was an accurate reflection of what Trump said and what the the facts are. The president of the United States is often called out when he is wrong, the problem you have is Trump is wrong so often it has been tracked. The MSM is doing their job reporting the misinformation that spews from the mouth of Trump so often. And pray tell show me where the author lies on the link. The president is the news on the political front and should be honest and accurate in his statements, you held Obama to that standard why drop the bar so low for Trump?

“Due to the historic obstruction by Senate Democrats of the president’s nominees and the goal of passing appropriations bills prior to the end of the fiscal year, the August recess has been canceled,” McConnell said in a statement.

The media is trying to make a big deal about the Philadelphia Eagles football team mostly refusing to show up at the White House today to be honored for winning the Super Bowl.

Frankly, I am glad that these folks have shown their true colors, both on the football field by kneeling during the National Anthem, and today by snubbing the President who represents all Americans.

I don’t want these players in the White House. They have set a poor example by their non-patriotic actions. Dishonoring the flag of this country, that is the emblem some our citizens have fought and died for, is ugly.

But he doesn’t Royal, he doesn’t even make an attempt to represent all Americans. He is the first president in modern history who doesn’t even make an attempt to represent all Americans. You buy into the Trump regime and you be completely faithful to Der Fuhrer or you are branded an enemy of Trump.

They have set a poor example by their non-patriotic actions. Dishonoring the flag of this country, that is the emblem some our citizens have fought and died for, is ugly.

They were not being unpatriotic at all Royal. They didn’t dishonor the flag they protested, which is more patriotic than anything you have done recently. These false claims of patriotism you hold others to are nothing more than a charade. Dishonoring the flag is done by anyone who celebrates any celebrates a patriotic holiday in the USA

It seems to me Trump has done the Eagles a favor. They would have gad a hard time with the NFL management for not wanting to go visit the white house and Trump let them off the hook just in time to save face IMHO.

Thank you Mitch McConnell for cancelling the August recess. This will make it much harder for Trump to appoint anyone of his Gestapo to anything of importance now.
If I were Trump I would have to be wondering if the Repubs had my back or if McConnell was making sure Trrump wouldn’t be able to nake anymore bad choices.

“But he doesn’t Royal, he doesn’t even make an attempt to represent all Americans.”

OK j2t2, I’ll bite. Please provide a link to facts showing the president is choosing which individual Americans to favor, and which individuals to not favor.

Please don’t be ignorant and use bills passed by congress and signed into law by the president.

Also, please don’t use any regulations or executive orders by Obama that Trump cancelled. To do so would also be ignorant. If Obama did something to favor someone, or something, and Trump undoes it, that is simply restoring what was.

Stephen, I didn’t catch the import of your 8th amendment concerns until I read today that your shipwrecking home county of Donegal was the only one that voted for it. All the other 25 counties of the Republic voted against it, and it was a 2 to 1 majority. A woman in Donegal would be going into Derry for an abortion anyway, and probably also going there to get the birth control that would prevent that from being necessary. I hope those border crossings never go up again in the north.

On the Dumpty front, Putain claims that he speaks to his puppet regularly, keeping him on a short leash. Malcolm Nance described Dumpty’s policy today as LDDAC, Lie, Dissemble, Disinform, Arrogantly Confess. It’s what Dumpty’s master does. He’s also saying that Mrs. Papadopoulos, who is supposed to be Italian, is not, but more likely eastern european, like Dumpty’s current and one former wife. Melania’s dad was in the League of Communists of Slovenia. Ethnically, the Gottschee Germans have claimed that Melania’s family is part of their population, but this connection has been removed from her biographical information.

What a wasted opportunity j2t2. Instead of facts you give me a link to a Liberal website seeking members.

Royal you asked for a link , if you wanted a conservative propaganda link you should have been specific. Once again let me remind you of the much higher standard you hold me to. You need “facts” from me but when Trump speaks any lie will do.

Sorry j2t2; no facts from you is proof positive that you can’t back up your weasel words.

Royal What wasn’t factual in the link I provided? Instead of lying about the use of weasel words why not refute the link and it’s comments. If they are not factual point it out but it seems you were caught with your pants down and embarrassed by what you saw because these people are asking Trump to fulfill his promise of representing all of us. The irony of the whole thing is you actually believe your own lies.

You guys cannot be serious. Are you that deluded that you actually believe Trump represents all Americans! The petition by the SPLC and Huffpo amongst others is asking for him to do just that unite and stop the hate. He doesn’t he is spurring on the hate, you guys are good examples, demanding “facts” as if Trump would tell the truth.

We have the Trump led assault on the 1st amendment. He sure doesn’t represent me when he attacks the free press.How about you guys you alright with the attack on the first amendment and Trump represents your views on the free press?

And there is others who can tell when they aren’t being represented by Trump.

J2,
As Royal says, no President has 100% agreement amongst the people with his views. Those on the right disagreed with the views of their President for 8 years and were told to sit in the back and shut up, so spare us the whining about Trump not pandering to you.

The petition by the SPLC, Huffpo and others is doing nothing but demanding that President Trump conform to the false narrative and national identity that leftists are trying to set.
It is not hateful to talk about and actually do something about better border security, national security and immigration bans from enemy nations.
It is not hateful to ask for respect for our country, our form of government, our culture, or our flag.
It is not hateful to not support special treatment for special interests groups.

IF the left cared one bit about a united country they would stop with such nonsense.

No Royal I know the difference between represents and agreeing with me. Tell you what why don’t you provide facts that Trump does represents us. IMHO he represents the rich donors that backed him and Putin but not me. In fact we see Trump is representing Russia at the G7 meeting. He cannot represent me and Russia at the same time and it is clear where he gets his marching orders from and it isn’t the majority of the American people.

He may represent the Electoral college and conservatives but he lied about so many things he promised prior to election he doesn’t represent me. His loyalties lie overseas in Russia and, now that China is bankrolling him, China where he is creating jobs via a company that dealt with North Korea sand Iran! All because China fronted his business ventures some money! Now that may represent you but it doesn’t represent me. He definitely represents his company but that doesn’t mean he represents me.

Kctim, uniting the country mean agreeing to disagree on many issues, based on political assumptions, beliefs and self interests. To suggest it is the left that is refusing to unite is simply wrong. The right wing of this country has to also include others instead of demanding we all belong to the same tribe, be of the same color and socioeconomic class. When the right wing protects and defends the white nationalist they divide the country based upon color. Racial resentment doesn’t unite it divides.

Here is an interesting read on us whites in general that you may find interesting. But be forewarned it kinda dispels many of the myths you guys on the right have been using these last 6 years or so. But it does it in a kinder gentler way so …..

J2,
The ‘right-wing’ includes others, they just don’t do it how you guys want them to.
The right see’s Americans, the left see’s hyphenated Americans. The right believes that being an American is most important, the left believes the hyphenated part is most important and deserving of special treatment.
Being an American was what allowed us to ‘agree to disagree’ on issues in a civil manner. That is no longer true.

Today’s far-left absolutely refuses to unite with their fellow Americans. In fact, their ideology requires such division in order to even exist.
Sorry, but that is how it is and the examples are endless.

The right wing doesn’t protect or defend white nationalists or white supremacy. What is going on is leftists have redefined the words and you are now starting to believe your own nonsense. You are literally calling people those things simply because they don’t believe the false narratives you are trying to pass off as reality.

I read the NPR article earlier this morning and it’s the typical ‘study’ that pops up every now and then to try and justify the predetermined conclusion that evil whitey is racist.
I don’t know what kind of myths you think it dispels, but here are some truths that could help the hate and divisiveness in your hearts:
I am not fixated on race as you guys are. My objection to welfare has absolutely nothing to do with race. THAT is why I have no problem eliminating programs that “benefit whites.” It’s individual rights vs individual desires.

Racism isn’t behind every disagreement with leftist policy. The sooner you guys stop pretending that it is, the sooner we can come together as one nation again.

Americans disagree with each other on many things j2t2, and not all are political. When ones views are not reflected in the policies of current leaders of government, it simply means that their political views did not prevail in the most recent election.

We all agree that elections have consequences. You, jt2t, and others of the Liberal and Progressive persuasion, are being represented by, and living under, the prevailing political reality.

Obviously you disagree with some of that reality. However, I feel confident that you appreciate lower unemployment, higher wages, a thriving Wall Street and Main Street. Our Constitutional “rights” are being freely exercised. Many in congress are working on improving our immigration policy. Our military is strong.

You may find much that is not to your liking j2t2, however there has to be something you do like. Work to enlist others, with persuasion to your views; and encourage them to vote. If your views are popular among the voters, they will prevail.

While conducting this recent study about opposition to welfare, Willer and Wetts showed the respondents graphs they had fabricated. The fictional data demonstrated white Americans becoming a minority or showed the income of white Americans decreasing as the incomes of people of color increased.

I wonder how this study would have turned out if they actually used real data to influence their subjects?

When you win the election but lose the popular vote perhaps the consequences should be tempered Royal. Trump certainly doesn’t have a mandate nor does his inability to actually lead represent the best of this country. IMHO it represents how far we have fallen as a country, a divided country, a country that has been dumbed down and propagandized by the right wing to the point only certain interests are represented.

You, jt2t, and others of the Liberal and Progressive persuasion, are being represented by, and living under, the prevailing political reality.

As usual you are half right I am living under the prevailing political reality but that doesn’t mean I am represented by it. It simply means I am being forced into it. But I am not being represented, my views ar not being represented at all.

Reading j2t2’s comments about political representation leaves no doubt that he is a purely political commentator and can not think beyond politics. That’s OK, but we can easily discern that his obsession is making him miserable.

I suppose his senator, congressman, mayor or county board does not represent him either if he disagrees with them politically.

So sad for him to be so angry over politics when he doesn’t get his way.

Posted by: Royal Flush at June 10, 2018 3:07 PM

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