replying to Gordon Shumway, dumb Gordon Shumway wrote:
the Bible is 2000+ years old too....your point ?
you DUMMY- to build a database, you KEEP ALL HISTORICAL POSTS
you dumb arse, since when do you DELETE and forget a growing database ?
the hydrogen bomb is 65 years old too...you don't see the USA throwing the
formula away
and gunpowder/firearms technology is how old ? they still use those today by
the police, right ?
the airplane was invented in early 1900's- did we stop flying those ?
you need to take the narrow blinders off. replying to the post means nothing-
we're BUILDING A DATABASE here
for everyone to refer to later
whether or not a previous poster reads it, is irrelevant
YOU DUMB arse !!

That's not the rule for me. It's a pretty simple diagnosis. Heater, limit
switch, timer.
Even the newer adaptive defrost models with electronic controls are easy to
figure out.
I would not like changing a timer only to get called back.

this is TRurtle.
first These words was not written when they had electrinic controls,
but on standard block timers.
Second You don't need to spend about 6 to 8 hours at the refrigerator
customers house and change him about $500.00 on a $500.00 refrigerator
to hunt down a defrost problem. You ohn out to see the defront
terminator it ok, then you ohm out the defrost element is ok, and then
see if the defrost timer is running. Now Ed , you do all the test you
can do on this refrigerator and still find nothing wrong . Now What do
you do ?
Thirdly the words that i stated was the old time refrigerator service
people [ not me ] who have workied on these refrigerator all thier
lives and have this as a rule of their business. I was told this by all
the refrigerator service people eversince i was a kid [ 40 something
years ] when you can't find a problem with the defrost system -- change
the defrost timer. Also sears tells their tech this same words when
they can't find anything wrong with the defrost system -- change the
defrost timer.
Fourth No disrespect at all but these words have been carried down the
through the years and is still used in the refrigerator business today.
Now what i think here. On the old stuff i would say yes , but on the
new stuff NO, Sorry if my opinion differes from your !
TURTLE

This is Turtle.
now Ed , your going to tell me that as you say you have worked on
refrigerators for 31 years and never seen a defrost timer jam and
before you get there or when you get there it the timer goes back to
working before you see it. when you get there the coil is frozen up ,
defrost timer is running, defrost terminator is closed, and the defrost
element has no breaks or defects. at this time you can run all the test
you want on the box and it will show no problem.
Now explain to me this problem as to what you would do ? Is there a
test to see if the timer just jammed or stopped and went back to
running or how to you handle this problem ? what you explain to me can
be useful to me in my business and this is not a joke or cheap shot. i
know most all about what you will explain here so just get a little
complex if you like.
TURTLE

Three easy ways to tell if it is working.
1. put it in the defrost cycle and look at the heater, it will turn red.
Even the metal heaters turn red.
2. Wait for the defrosting to begin. You'll hear the water dripping on the
heater, water should show up in the drip pan.
3. Put it into defrost and put the plug in and out of the wall outlet. If
it's working you'll see a pretty good spark.

The contacts were pitted, but no more than nay other relay contacts I have
seen. Smoothed them with a small file for now. There was still a fair
amount of contact material left.
I know that some relay contacts in the higher rating are made of
silver-cadmium oxide, which is closer to the surface. Once the cad-oxide is
worn, the contacts wear out much faster.
Since this is my own fridge, I can take the risk and keep that timer working
for longer. For now it's fine. If I were doing it for someone else, I'd
replace the timer.
Rich

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