Supreem or Chrissay, what is wrong here! In closed Beta the client was much better, why this now when i only can play with this client and not anylonger with KR? Please fix it ASAP and please give me a statement, thank you!

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I always said, the Enhanced Client has great potential. But now it seems to me that EA is going to let it die just like the KR Client. How else could you explain that the long list of annoying bugs remained unfixed for 4 months, and nobody from EA even answered or made a statement about it?

Since EA won't even comment on Enhanced Client issues, I am pretty sure that this client is a dead end as well.

Is it possibly that the EC renders a little differently than 2d under conditions of high network latency?

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Okay beta is right, but you cannot turn off a released final client KR and give such a unfinished state client sorry! Then they had to wait with the release of the expansion until both clients are really ready!

Also in the Beta there was a much better state than now, why the hell have they not turned on this code, it is no problem iam for experiments but only on beta and not on a productive shard.

Okay beta is right, but you cannot turn off a released final client KR and give such a unfinished state client sorry! Then they had to wait with the release of the expansion until both clients are really ready!

Also in the Beta there was a much better state than now, why the hell have they not turned on this code, it is no problem iam for experiments but only on beta and not on a productive shard.

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Client code can not be limited to non-prodo shards. The client being in beta means that you are ok with the fact that they are experimenting with new code, that makes all of your other posts sort of...weird. You have the option of using the Released 2d client or using the Beta Enhanced Client, if you choose to use the beta you are subject to beta rules, things change often and testing never ends.

On a side note, I have yet to see the Enhanced client work well enough to play on ever since they released it for open beta, so I do understand the fustration.

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Client code can not be limited to non-prodo shards. The client being in beta means that you are ok with the fact that they are experimenting with new code, that makes all of your other posts sort of...weird. You have the option of using the Released 2d client or using the Beta Enhanced Client, if you choose to use the beta you are subject to beta rules, things change often and testing never ends.

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Well, they advertised the game everywhere with using the Enhanced Client. Nobody knew that the client would remain in beta state forever after the release of SA. Nobody from EA EVER made a statement about the plans they have with the Enhanced Client (maybe they have none?). Instead, they hand it out to players, leaving them annoyed and frustrated.

I've been using the Enhanced Client since 5 months now. And you can be sure, once you'll get used to it, switching back to the Legacy Client is punishment.

Come on, I don't think EA/Mythic pay the devs to stay on Facebook all the time.
Monday to friday they sit at their desks and work on the code, which doesn't mean they'll release a patch every day. "Random" bugs are absolutely the most difficult to track down.
I still have faith... and no way I'll be switching to the Classic Client!

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I know how hard it is to program such a client, but nobody told them to make a new client after Kingdom Reborns release, also the statement of the artwork most of our players prefer old artwork, yeah but the question is wrong, how much playing people of KR prefer the old artwork this was the right question.

The classic client is for me not playable anymore, there are facts no resizeable screen, 800*600 max resolution, small backpacks, not the graphics but the interface is compared to todays mmorpgs nothing.

For a 2d player it is easy to say hey i have tested the client it is wonderfull, why are you frustrated?

Have you ever seen the history of Kingdom Reborn, there was nothing, absolutly nothing the last 2 years. I was proud and excited to be invited to the beta, but after first login i knew this is nothing and that will be a catastrohpy after SA release.
So the only thing i can do is to show the devs that others and me not accepting this state and that we want a future client in the interest of all UO players, but for that there must be a stable fundament, after that we can look what do our 2d players want a old interface for example, a old paperdoll, maybe old models, but for that the clientsystem itself must be stable and good running.

And when you see kingdom reborn 3 years of open beta should be enough in my eyes, my real question is what have you done the last 2 years? The content is nice, the landmass is created with really love, but what uses all this if there is no good client to play with.

So enough criticism from my side, i only want the best for the UO players and my friends...

I was having similar problems during spawns while using the SA client as well. When I would mouse over the backpack or the "black areas" of the screen I would suffer from intense lag.

I play from Japan and am on Baja, but usually I sustain a 160ish ping. I then downloaded/updated my graphics drivers and it seems to be a lot less laggy, although during an oaks spawn I did experience some lag.

Also, I would like to state that my computer is relatively new. My video card is a eVGA GTX260 FTW, and I have no problems running most games. It boggled me as to why I would be lagging on UO.

Also, its not latency, as I can raid with 25 people in WoW on US servers with my graphics setting set on "Ultra". I can also play CoD:WaW with 32 people and consistently get head shots.

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I have to agree. It seems like we never know what the client is going to do. At least in KR, I knew what would make it crash.

And there haven't been any statements by the team in weeks. We are losing faith here.

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And this is why I won't go near the enhanced client with a 10 foot CPU. They burned me and other KR users who beta tested and sent feedback in for months when one day they announced "oh yea, its LIVE! enjoy!! Smell ya later!".

It turned into a buggy cluster bang and I defended the thing as long as I could because I had faith in the team. That faith was betrayed when KR flopped. And now within 10 seconds I can still see the SAME bugs are in the enhanced client from years ago with KR. Namely my ethy Kirin runs sideways. That bug is OLD.

UO needed a new client and a new interface FOR YEARS and they have done some wonderful things don't get me wrong, but there are too many unacceptable bugs still in the client after a LONG time.

It's still in beta! Yea, perma-beta.
I won't touch it or put an ounce of effort into it myself .... again.

UO needed a new client ages ago and they have failed how many times now? Either do it right or don't do it at all.

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And this is why I won't go near the enhanced client with a 10 foot CPU. They burned me and other KR users who beta tested and sent feedback in for months when one day they announced "oh yea, its LIVE! enjoy!! Smell ya later!".

It turned into a buggy cluster bang and I defended the thing as long as I could because I had faith in the team. That faith was betrayed when KR flopped. And now within 10 seconds I can still see the SAME bugs are in the enhanced client from years ago with KR. Namely my ethy Kirin runs sideways. That bug is OLD.

UO needed a new client and a new interface FOR YEARS and they have done some wonderful things don't get me wrong, but there are too many unacceptable bugs still in the client after a LONG time.

It's still in beta! Yea, perma-beta.
I won't touch it or put an ounce of effort into it myself .... again.

UO needed a new client ages ago and they have failed how many times now? Either do it right or don't do it at all.

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This is the first time I've seen or heard about the laggging over the black screen area. Can you give me some detailed information about your setup? What are your system specs? Are you using two monitors? Is anyone else experiencing this specific issue? Thanks

This is the first time I've seen or heard about the laggging over the black screen area. Can you give me some detailed information about your setup? What are your system specs? Are you using two monitors? Is anyone else experiencing this specific issue? Thanks

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So... now that we seem to have someones attention on the team, what IS going to be addressed soon for the EC? It's been a good while.

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This is the first time I've seen or heard about the laggging over the black screen area. Can you give me some detailed information about your setup? What are your system specs? Are you using two monitors? Is anyone else experiencing this specific issue? Thanks

Yeah i had the same before, after turning on the standard interface it dindt happen yet, maybe later i will be testing and inform...

serious we all have good hardware quad cores

EDIT: ohh i see it happens again with standard interface good to see iam not crazy...

EDIT: I think it has something todo with the memory managment when the client reaches its cap it begins with that **** only a suggestion, and i can say it is only since 3.126 not before, i rember there were a few crash bugs fixed in the patch which causes it. maybe the new managment is not working correctly for quad cores.

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This is the first time I've seen or heard about the laggging over the black screen area. Can you give me some detailed information about your setup? What are your system specs? Are you using two monitors? Is anyone else experiencing this specific issue? Thanks

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Actually, this was reported several times during beta on your own boards...

(sorry, I really really hate devs. not being upfront with issues...)

BTW...something that hasnt been adressed...the multi core system issues people are having with large amounts of particle effects. Single core systems are fine (as per reports on beta forums)

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That's a cool screenshot! I have a similar one myself. Those screenshots are rare, cause the Enhanced Client usually crashes when such spell effects are happening. People learned not to use the Enhanced Client when fighting these creatures.

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That's a cool screenshot! I have a similar one myself. Those screenshots are rare, cause the Enhanced Client usually crashes when such spell effects are happening. People learned not to use the Enhanced Client when fighting these creatures.

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I wouldn't say those shots are so rare.

This is the last time I logged into the EC for any length of time. If i can't do all the content, then I'll just focus on the client that "works."

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That's a cool screenshot! I have a similar one myself. Those screenshots are rare, cause the Enhanced Client usually crashes when such spell effects are happening. People learned not to use the Enhanced Client when fighting these creatures.

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But this isnt true, the effects are sometimes especially fire fields are causing crashes, but most times this effects are stable, no what most causes crashes are champ hunts, or killing a lot of monsters in a small amount of time, different type of monsters. Lets talk the truth, from stability aspect and performance has been nothing changed for me, the interface is a bit better, but for that the animations, titles and enviroment looks old blurry and not as good as in 2d.

A little comparrision of both clients, for me the enviroment in 2d looks clearer, the character and interface is much better in the enhanced client.

What you have there is almost every 5-10 seconds on my machine. I have everything turned off and down to nothing, I have tried from 60 fps to 20, with every setting, and that is my life in UO in a nutshell. It is bad in Royal City, going by the farmers and the flight towers makes me want to punch a puppy in the face (and I love puppies). For me, it has nothing to do with fields of any sort. The Tomb of Kings runs fine with me, till I run for more than 3 seconds then lag, step, lag lag lag, step. For me, this is every single place in game, and empty field of green with nothing else had the same lag problems.

And btw, Restroom Cowboy, I agree, I posted this very thing in multiple threads on the beta boards...so saying that they hadn't heard of this make me want to punch yet another puppy in the face.

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A little comparrision of both clients, for me the enviroment in 2d looks clearer...

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First thing I do when I log in with the EC is, to zoom the interface to 1:1 level. Then most items are as crisp as they are in the Legacy Client. Too bad the client hasn't got an option to lock that zoom level or make it default.

First thing I do when I log in with the EC is, to zoom the interface to 1:1 level. Then most items are as crisp as they are in the Legacy Client. Too bad the client hasn't got an option to lock that zoom level or make it default.

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You can set that in one of the configuration files by setting the ratio of the viewport relative to screen resolution.

Sadly, it limits you viewport real estate quite a bit, but the 2d artwork essentially is exactly the same at the right scale.

They need to default the viewport relative to the screen resolution and default zoom so there is no scaling.

Again, its atrociously stupid and unacceptable to have to do this, but when unscaled the EC is substantially more pleasing to the eye than 2d.

If more people saw the client without the pixelation derived from their crappy scaling algo there would more acceptance, is my guess.

This is the first time I've seen or heard about the laggging over the black screen area. Can you give me some detailed information about your setup? What are your system specs? Are you using two monitors? Is anyone else experiencing this specific issue? Thanks

Usually I don't get any lag, but when I started spawning with my guild, after playing long hours it seemed like whenever I would mouse over the black area where I keep my paper doll, back pack and hot bars I would get extreme lag. This usually happened during spawns, when a lot of stuff was being rendered, like people, and spell graphics.

I would then lose my entire screen and have to restart. I updated my graphics drivers and it hasn't happened again yet, but I haven't been able to really spawn lately so I haven't been able to reproduce. Updating my drivers seem to take care of it.

The only other time I have crashed is when I summon a pet, and sometimes it seems as if the pet is disconnected from the world? Only way I can describe it. A grey box outlines the pet, flashing in and out and if I see this box I know a crash is imminent, so I invis.

The box looks as if you were editing the mesh/texture of the pet.

Other than that, my Enhanced Client experience has been flawless.

Edit: Oh looking at the screen shots people posted reminded me that I have experienced lag on one other occation. During the Primeval Lich spawn, whenever he would summon me and then use the AoE, I would always lag right before the AoE. This usually ended up in me being dead, and was highly frustrating.

But this isnt true, the effects are sometimes especially fire fields are causing crashes, but most times this effects are stable, no what most causes crashes are champ hunts, or killing a lot of monsters in a small amount of time, different type of monsters. Lets talk the truth, from stability aspect and performance has been nothing changed for me, the interface is a bit better, but for that the animations, titles and enviroment looks old blurry and not as good as in 2d.
A little comparrision of both clients, for me the enviroment in 2d looks clearer, the character and interface is much better in the enhanced client.

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No offense, but the bolded part I have to say has to be about your computer, as everything looks about 100x better in the enhanced client on my computer when compared to the 2d client.

The only way I could think the enhance client doesn't look better, or even just looks similar is if you're only running the enhanced client at 800x600, which is what the 2d client is restricted to.

The enhanced client goes up to 1900x1200 for me, on my 24" widescreen monitor and there is a world of difference.

Actually, this was reported several times during beta on your own boards...

(sorry, I really really hate devs. not being upfront with issues...)

BTW...something that hasnt been adressed...the multi core system issues people are having with large amounts of particle effects. Single core systems are fine (as per reports on beta forums)

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Huh... maybe thats why my machines lags when the Primeval Lich does his huge AoE. I guess I'll have to try playing with only one core and see if that helps. If the multicore issue is true, then its kinda sad... multi core systems have been out for years now. Why hasn't this issue been addressed?

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Hehe a bit sarcasm from side here, if the 2d player cry hey my desktop is off sroted now, the Dev instalty reacts with a patch 24h later, if the enhanced player cry hey i cant spawn and pvp, because i cant go over black areas to reach my hotbar, nothing happens over 3 weeks (posted in internal beta forum) cool! thats service, especially for the new gold client, happy birthday UO! Happy Birthday 9 years of Quality Assurance directly from EA, okay with that client i also dont want login more than 3 minutes as QA .

But this isnt true, the effects are sometimes especially fire fields are causing crashes, but most times this effects are stable, no what most causes crashes are champ hunts, or killing a lot of monsters in a small amount of time, different type of monsters. Lets talk the truth, from stability aspect and performance has been nothing changed for me, the interface is a bit better, but for that the animations, titles and enviroment looks old blurry and not as good as in 2d.

A little comparrision of both clients, for me the enviroment in 2d looks clearer, the character and interface is much better in the enhanced client.

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Your pics are at two different zoom levels. If you are going to post comparison pics, at least do an apple-to-apple comparison. Try posting again at the same zoom in EC as in 2D for a fair comparison.

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I guess I'll have to try playing with only one core and see if that helps. If the multicore issue is true, then its kinda sad... multi core systems have been out for years now. Why hasn't this issue been addressed?

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Disabling one core did not change anything in my situation. I doubt that the problem has to do with multi core.

This is right, but then the zoomlevel must be changed in the client, i posted the screen with the default settings... if i want to compare two games, i have todo this with the default settings.

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My point is, they are not at the same level. The EC pic it zoomed in further which pixelates more. They should be an exact overlay to properly compare the two. If you zoom the 2D client in a bit, you also see the pixelation.

I do not see the fuzzy-ness that you posted because I don't play at that zoom level, except when taming.

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My point is, they are not at the same level. The EC pic it zoomed in further which pixelates more. They should be an exact overlay to properly compare the two. If you zoom the 2D client in a bit, you also see the pixelation.

I do not see the fuzzy-ness that you posted because I don't play at that zoom level, except when taming.

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No iam also not playing with that zoomlevel, but a zoomlevel save would be nice or a correct zoom level. Also in KR it was nearly equal which Level with KR Artwork the Artwork was high resoluted and absolut clear compared to that.

BUT i can live with all that, iam for that, but please please make the client playable, make it more stable for high end pcs and everything is okay for me improvments we can see further.

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I have noticed, that it happens mostly in Felucca, i can only run 5 minutes throw Felucca and the Blackarea Lag is huge, but in other facets i have not seen that it hapenn, maybe the new foliage art in Felucca?

I have noticed, that it happens mostly in Felucca, i can only run 5 minutes throw Felucca and the Blackarea Lag is huge, but in other facets i have not seen that it hapenn, maybe the new foliage art in Felucca?

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turned off my foilage, and I still get it. But I agree, it only seems to happen in Fel.

Its amusing, because the devs want us to pvp and spawn in Fel, but its really aweful sometimes on the new client.

This is the first time I've seen or heard about the laggging over the black screen area. Can you give me some detailed information about your setup? What are your system specs? Are you using two monitors? Is anyone else experiencing this specific issue? Thanks

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MY experience so far is:

More and more i go back to 2D

so many things making NO fun with SA client,sad but true.
(2D was never fun to me,but more and more it is handyer for me then SAEC)

in the loved 3D client i could play ALL the time, 2D looks old and backpacks are a pain,
BUT the NEW ENHANCED SA client, i can play at maximal 2h bevore i get nerved

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exactly know how you feel, i will leave uo january, if the devs couldnt handle it. alternative no there is no alternative, maybe a greyshard, see good ones who are caring about their players and there i can run the old 3d client, thats all i want, a good client to play with.

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