http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44038000/jpg/_44038792_mugabe_afp203b.jpg Gordon Brown says it is "him or me" at the EU-AU summit

President Robert Mugabe will defy Prime Minister Gordon Brown's boycott threat if invited to attend a Europe-Africa summit, says Zimbabwe's UN Ambassador. Boniface Chidyausiku said Mr Brown had "no right to dictate" who should be at the meeting in Portugal in December.
It follows Mr Brown's threat that he will not attend the summit of African and EU leaders if Mr Mugabe is there.
He claims Mr Mugabe's presence will "divert attention" from big issues such as poverty, climate change and health.
But Mr Chidyausiku accused Mr Brown of seeking to "multilateralise" an argument between the UK and Zimbabwe.
The leader of one of Zimbabwe's neighbours, Zambia, has already told local media that if Mr Mugabe is not allowed to attend the summit, then neither will he.
"There is a need to continue dialoguing with our colleagues in Zimbabwe. If Robert Mugabe is not allowed, then the whole basis of dialogue is removed," said President Levy Mwanawasa.
'Part of Africa'
In an interview with BBC2's Newsnight, Mr Chidyausiku said Mr Mugabe had a "sovereign right" to attend.
"Gordon Brown has no right to dictate who should come to Lisbon," he said.
"Definitely we are going if we are invited because we are part of Africa."
No invitation has yet been sent to Mr Mugabe, according to senior sources in the Portuguese government.
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/shared/img/o.gif http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/img/v3/start_quote_rb.gif The sanctions are an indication of the abhorrence of people in Europe about what is happening in Zimbabwe http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/img/v3/end_quote_rb.gif

Gordon Brown

Foreign Secretary David Miliband told the BBC World Service that Mr Brown's view was the right one.
"An EU-Africa summit can only become a media circus if it's dominated by Robert Mugabe sitting next to Gordon Brown," he said.
"We don't think that it's right to be discussing good governance, human rights, economic development as if there isn't the tragedy unfolding in Zimbabwe that is unfolding at the moment, unfolding as a direct result of the policies being pursued by Mr Mugabe."
Further sanctions
EU Development Commissioner Louis Michel has also backed Mr Brown, demanding Mr Mugabe be banned from the summit.
In order to allow Mr Mugabe to attend the conference, EU member states would have to convene before the summit and agree to lift the travel ban currently imposed on him.
But the prime minister has indicated that Britain will call on the European Union "in the next few days" to extend travel and financial sanctions against Zimbabwe's ruling party.
"We are prepared to consider further sanctions," he told ITN. "The sanctions are an indication of the abhorrence of people in Europe about what's happening in Zimbabwe."
The BBC's Europe editor, Mark Mardell, said he understood diplomats were being "very active in trying to find a compromise".
This could involve inviting another Zimbabwean representative, such as a junior member of the government or a civil servant, so that Mr Brown could attend, our correspondent said.
'Serious opportunity'
Portugal, which holds the rotating EU presidency, is keen to invite every African leader to be at the summit on 8 and 9 December, but may let the African Union decide who should attend.
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44127000/jpg/_44127254_banknote_afp203b.jpg Denominations of bank notes have risen owing to levels of inflation

Mr Brown described the summit as a "serious opportunity" to forge stronger partnerships between Africa and the EU.
He said: "I applaud the prime minister of Portugal for what he is trying to do to build stronger relations between Europe and Africa. This is a summit that is necessary for Africa's sake.
"But of course it would be totally inappropriate for me to be there if President Mugabe [is]."
He went on: "Four million people have left the country. Four million people on food aid because of famine by Christmas, 80% unemployment, life expectancy at 37."
He said humanitarian aid was being stepped up and promised to press the UN Security Council for an envoy to "look and report on the situation".

sharpeirob

09-21-2007, 10:21 AM

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44089000/jpg/_44089259_mugabe203ap.jpg President Mugabe has imposed a price-control programme

Zimbabwe's annual inflation rate slowed in August to 6,592.8% from July's record of 7,634.8%, according to the Central Statistical Office (CSO).

The slowdown came in the midst of a price-control programme imposed by President Robert Mugabe in June.

Businesses were ordered to cut or freeze prices for items such as bread and milk.
But critics say the measures have just deepened the chronic food shortages suffered by Zimbabweans.

At the end of August, President Mugabe introduced jail terms of up to six months for anyone caught trying to raise prices or wages.
The CSO said the decline in inflation was due to a slowdown in prices for food and non-alcoholic drinks.
Despite the fall, Zimbabwe's inflation remains by far the highest in the world.

sharpeirob

09-22-2007, 06:06 PM

Hungry Zimbabweans target giraffe

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44132000/jpg/_44132454_giraffe_bbc203b.jpg Many of the local schoolchildren had never seen a live giraffe before

A giraffe that strayed into a township close to Zimbabwe's capital has been rescued after residents tried to kill it for its meat, local media reported. The animal was put under police guard before wildlife officers removed it.
A dry spell has forced wild animals into urban areas in search of grazing, animal welfare experts say.
Zimbabwe is suffering chronic food shortages and the animal protection society is investigating claims that a number of pets have been slaughtered.
Huge crowds
It is not known how the stray giraffe ended up in the southern Seke district, Zimbabwe's Herald newspaper said, but police had to restrain those who wanted to kill the animal.
"We had to guard the animal until National Parks and Wildlife Management Authority officials arrived. Some villagers wanted to slaughter it so we had to remain here until it was taken to a safe place," one of the officers told the Herald.
The tall creature drew huge crowds, including dozens of school children, many of whom had never seen a giraffe.
It was not immediately clear where the giraffe was relocated.

sharpeirob

09-22-2007, 06:06 PM

This is a new low in my country it is so awful now. Not only are the people turning on each other, it is now the turn of the innocent beautiful wildlife.

alfonsojose

09-25-2007, 09:41 PM

:scared: :sad:

buddyholly

09-25-2007, 10:50 PM

I'm not greedy, I'll just have the neck.

buddyholly

09-25-2007, 10:55 PM

:scared: :sad:

Brilliant new screen name!!!!!!!!

But why the constant changes? Are you just trying to be like George? If George were to take off all his clothes and run naked through the Russian locker room at the Davis Cup finals, would you do th.................. Oh, wait!

sharpeirob

10-12-2007, 08:24 PM

With regret and shame I am to once again supply news of the continuing downward spiral of my country.

This time it is about the few remaining White Zimbabwean farmers, showing their true African grit and termination, and staying with their country of Nationality despite constant attacks and barages from this so called leader Mugabe.

Blow for defiant Zimbabwe farmers

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41587000/jpg/_41587112_farmer203ap.jpg The land reform programme has been accompanied by violence

Eleven of Zimbabwe's remaining white farmers are to go on trial for defying a state eviction order after losing a bid to have the charges thrown out. The magistrate in Chegutu, south-west of Harare, reportedly accused the farmers of delaying tactics and ordered them to leave their land immediately.
A white farmers' group said the ruling was a "farce" and accused authorities of failing to follow due process.
Fewer than 400 white farmers are thought to remain in Zimbabwe.
The seizure of some 4,000 white-owned farms has seen a collapse in Zimbabwe's agricultural production.
Notices ignored
The farmers appeared in court on Thursday, having failed to respect a 30 September deadline to leave their properties, reported the news agency AFP.
Their lawyer, David Drury, put forward two arguments: first, that the charges of defying the government eviction order should be thrown out; second, that if not, the case should be referred to the Supreme Court because it touched on constitutional issues.
But the magistrate rejected both arguments.
"Despite being served with eviction notices they took no action but [decided] to ignore them, only to raise issues after the expiry and after appearing before a magistrate's court facing criminal charges," said magistrate Tinashe Ndokera, reported AFP.
"I am persuaded to agree with the state [prosecutor] that it's a delaying tactic and that there is no seriousness but a mere attempt to buy time through abuse of process. I dismiss the application."
The farmers could face up to two years in jail if found guilty, say reports.
The case provoked an angry response from Justice for Agriculture, which represents white farmers in Zimbabwe.
Its spokesman John Worsely-Worswick told the BBC that that over the past year nearly 100 farmers had been driven off their land by armed soldiers, police and the ruling Zanu-PF party's youth brigades.
However, Minister of Agriculture Rugare Gumbo told the BBC the state was using the law legitimately to redistribute land.

It is hard for me, I am stuck here watching my nation disintegrate and also BA have STOPPED flights to Harare ALTOGETHER which makes my life so much more difficult. I love it but it is so hard for me to get there I might just become a permanent citizen of the UK, not a glorious Zimbabwean International Student :sad:

So I think this is the beginning of the end of a Citizen of Zimbabwe with white skin. How can one man completely erradicate a human race of people no matter what colour they are. He should be placed on trial for white genocide.

Unhappy times.

I think I shall write an open letter to the Zimbabwean government. I study politics I could run for President of Zimbabwe I would make it once again a glorious nation.

mtw

10-13-2007, 10:59 AM

And maybe your president is not such evil person as you present it. Maybe it is time to finish neocolonialism and sanctions.It can not be in such way that white minority exploits the black majority in Africa. It is neocolonialism and present slavery.
Besides your president of Zimbabwe said the truth to Bush and it was very nice of him.
By the way, Are you white setller?

FerrersLinda

10-14-2007, 01:49 AM

And maybe your president is not such evil person as you present it. Maybe it is time to finish neocolonialism and sanctions.It can not be in such way that white minority exploits the black majority in Africa. It is neocolonialism and present slavery.
Besides your president of Zimbabwe said the truth to Bush and it was very nice of him.
By the way, Are you white setller?

Obviously you've never lived in Africa.:rolleyes:

sharpeirob

10-14-2007, 10:28 AM

And maybe your president is not such evil person as you present it. Maybe it is time to finish neocolonialism and sanctions.It can not be in such way that white minority exploits the black majority in Africa. It is neocolonialism and present slavery.
Besides your president of Zimbabwe said the truth to Bush and it was very nice of him.
By the way, Are you white setller?

Give us a break MTW, you have no idea what goes on here :retard: Mugabe has killed more blacks than whites, and the way he is going, he has ensured that for years to come people will be dying of aids and malnutrition all because of him.

And why are you including Bush in all this? Everyone of your spakka posts includes him in some context or another and in this case is irrelevant.

mtw

10-16-2007, 05:45 PM

Obviously you've never lived in Africa.:rolleyes:

Did you live there?

mtw

10-16-2007, 06:03 PM

Give us a break MTW, you have no idea what goes on here :retard: Mugabe has killed more blacks than whites, and the way he is going, he has ensured that for years to come people will be dying of aids and malnutrition all because of him.

And why are you including Bush in all this? Everyone of your spakka posts includes him in some context or another and in this case is irrelevant.

Could you explain, what this president hatred by you so much exactly did? Why do you write that because of him people are dying of AIDS in Zimbabwe. I'm sorry, but I have contrary opinion on AIDS. The main cause of AIDS in Africa is not president Mugabe. It is promiscuitism, lack of sexual culture and acces to condoms and low level of medical care. It occurs practically in every african country. Do you know an affluent african country ( maybe only Republic of South Africa ).Besides there is war almost everywhere. There is a powerful poverty in Kongo, Ruanda, Kenya, Niger, Nigeria, Liberia, Sudan and every other black african country. Maybe the poverty in Zimbabwe is not such strong as in other states.. Besides this poverty is cause by sanctions. I don't know. We speak here of genocides and such blokes, who broke the international law and human rights. That means such people, who murder, kidnnapp and torture other people purposely; for instance attacking other countries, or kidnapping and torturing other people - political opponents or innocent people not involved in policy.
Besides if this Zimbabwe will be pro-west country it does not mean that something will change for better. It can be in such way that it will be a coup d'etat and a pro-west chieftain will rule in this state. And then you can know a real genocide.

Richard_from_Cal

10-16-2007, 08:58 PM

I'm sorry that things are continuing to look down for you in Zimbabwe, Rob.

Looking Zimbabwe up on the internet (wikipedia version--,) I see that their leader (Mugabe) has the same first name as you. You're not Robert Mugabe, are you?
\__...Naw...Can't be. Twelve million people. Gotta be more than two 'Robert's...in Zimbabwe.
/

Richard_from_Cal

10-16-2007, 09:12 PM

I also see that Zimbabwe is one of those peculiar countries in Africa (or the world, perhaps) that neither Islam or Christianity (or Judaism, for that matter) holds sway.

I'm sorry that things are continuing to look down for you in Zimbabwe, Rob.

Looking Zimbabwe up on the internet (wikipedia version--,) I see that their leader (Mugabe) has the same first name as you. You're not Robert Mugabe, are you?
\__...Naw...Can't be. Twelve million people. Gotta be more than two 'Robert's...in Zimbabwe.
/

I also see that Zimbabwe is one of those peculiar countries in Africa (or the world, perhaps) that neither Islam or Christianity (or Judaism, for that matter) holds sway.

He is a Black Robert and the leader/destroyer of a nation, I am also a ZIM Robert but an international student now not destroying my home nation :p

The reason? Read post #4 - Destruction and eviction of white farms = loss of crops due to mismanagement and new farmers having no idea how to farm = failed crops= food shortages = inflation and a whole load of other bad shit :sad:

Chaos Inc.

10-17-2007, 08:09 PM

Hopefully events will soon take a turn for the better in your

country. Keep getting the word out on what is going on there. If

others follow your lead, then change will come.

Richard_from_Cal

10-17-2007, 08:12 PM

In the Southern California of my upbringing, it's not uncommon for coyotes to come out of the hills due to drought conditions. They occasionally carry off small dogs, drink from pools, and I remember the horror of one carrying off a baby.*

But if a family were to kill one for meat...it wouldn't be in any other section of the paper than "News of the Weird."

*--...link... (http://www.varmintal.com/attac.htm)

Richard_from_Cal

10-17-2007, 09:07 PM

...and a whole load of other bad shit :sad:
I read the article hyperlinked from your signature, Robert. Then I saw it confirmed in a Catholic database, independantly. The bishop of (forgotten city in Zimbabwe) had been displaced. Then I read a little of the history of Zimbabwe in the New Catholic Encyclopedia, and if I remember...Robert Mugabe has been in power since the revolution.

If you give someone a fish, they'll be fed for a day. If you teach someone to fish, you feed them for a lifetime. If they steal a fish...they'll only be looking for the next victim?

Seems like Archbishop Pius Ncube and you have something in common: better to be out of Zimbabwe. Sorry.

FerrersLinda

10-18-2007, 03:25 AM

Did you live there?

What do you think?:rolleyes:

Could you explain, what this president hatred by you so much exactly did? Why do you write that because of him people are dying of AIDS in Zimbabwe. I'm sorry, but I have contrary opinion on AIDS. The main cause of AIDS in Africa is not president Mugabe. It is promiscuitism, lack of sexual culture and acces to condoms and low level of medical care. It occurs practically in every african country. Do you know an affluent african country ( maybe only Republic of South Africa ).Besides there is war almost everywhere. There is a powerful poverty in Kongo, Ruanda, Kenya, Niger, Nigeria, Liberia, Sudan and every other black african country. Maybe the poverty in Zimbabwe is not such strong as in other states.. Besides this poverty is cause by sanctions. I don't know. We speak here of genocides and such blokes, who broke the international law and human rights. That means such people, who murder, kidnnapp and torture other people purposely; for instance attacking other countries, or kidnapping and torturing other people - political opponents or innocent people not involved in policy.
Besides if this Zimbabwe will be pro-west country it does not mean that something will change for better. It can be in such way that it will be a coup d'etat and a pro-west chieftain will rule in this state. And then you can know a real genocide.

Sorry, but I just can't take you seriously. A few years ago, Zimbabwe was an example for other African countries. Mugabe has destroyed Zimbabwe. The people of Zimbabwe have nothing to eat. Do you understand this? Or the fact that the UN estimates 700.000 Zimbabwean have lost their homes or livelyhood? Don't you think the lack of proper education might have something to do with the AIDS problems? You have no idea what is going on there. But still you try to lecture somebody that lives there and knows first hand what is going on. But hey, you just keep thinking that Mugabe is an okay guy and is not responsible for the problems of his country.

mtw

10-19-2007, 04:30 PM

Sorry, but I just can't take you seriously. A few years ago, Zimbabwe was an example for other African countries. Mugabe has destroyed Zimbabwe. The people of Zimbabwe have nothing to eat. Do you understand this? Or the fact that the UN estimates 700.000 Zimbabwean have lost their homes or livelyhood? Don't you think the lack of proper education might have something to do with the AIDS problems? You have no idea what is going on there. But still you try to lecture somebody that lives there and knows first hand what is going on. But hey, you just keep thinking that Mugabe is an okay guy and is not responsible for the problems of his country.

Don`t you understand that similar situation is in every African country? There is the bog poverty everywhere there not only in Zimbabwe. Poverty is in Kenya, Sudan, Congo, Liberia, Ruanda ( 5 mln orphanges. I was one time on special meeting - after war, which was in 1993 there were 5 mln orphans and the government has no interest to help them. People from another countries make it in church rescue actions. And how many orphans will get these help about 30000 among 2-5 mln. It is nothing ), Ethiopia, Somalia and pracically all other African countries excluding Republic of South Africa. Could you explain it? How is it possible that such rich states are such poor indeed?

FerrersLinda

10-19-2007, 05:14 PM

Don`t you understand that similar situation is in every African country? There is the bog poverty everywhere there not only in Zimbabwe. Poverty is in Kenya, Sudan, Congo, Liberia, Ruanda ( 5 mln orphanges. I was one time on special meeting - after war, which was in 1993 there were 5 mln orphans and the government has no interest to help them. People from another countries make it in church rescue actions. And how many orphans will get these help about 30000 among 2-5 mln. It is nothing ), Ethiopia, Somalia and pracically all other African countries excluding Republic of South Africa. Could you explain it? How is it possible that such rich states are such poor indeed?

And so the point you're making is?:confused:

mtw

10-19-2007, 07:19 PM

And so the point you're making is?:confused:

Besides: Niger, Nigeria, Mosambic, Tansania are very poor. Truly said: all African countries are poor. I don't know why exactly. The one cause is sanctions, plundering policy of west countries, the second cause is lack of interest of own governments in the fate of own people. Why should you insult only this one concrete president of Zimbabwe. And if you insult him, you should give concrete reason and facts of it. And not only: he is guilty of AIDS, he is guilty of poverty and he is one, only concrete person, who causes it in all Africa. It is bs. The poverty is everywhere, in every African country.

njnetswill

10-20-2007, 03:03 AM

What is it like in Zimbabwe? I've heard horror stories of people living off rats. Why isn't the situation getting more attention from the international community?

FerrersLinda

10-20-2007, 03:49 AM

Besides: Niger, Nigeria, Mosambic, Tansania are very poor. Truly said: all African countries are poor. I don't know why exactly. The one cause is sanctions, plundering policy of west countries, the second cause is lack of interest of own governments in the fate of own people.

You don't know why but somehow manage to know the two reasons why?:scratch: Even I'm confused now.:unsure:

Why should you insult only this one concrete president of Zimbabwe. And if you insult him, you should give concrete reason and facts of it.

Since Mugabe has been in office:

Zimbabwe has the highest inflation rate in the world, 11.000% (UNEC for Africa)
Zimbabwe now has 85% unemployment
Zimbabwe has become Africa's worst economic performer (UNEC for Africa)
opposition leaders have mysteriously died
Zimbabwe now has world's shortest life expectancy(WHO)
the country has the greatest % of orphans in the world(UNICEF)
human-rights have been abused amongst others those of homosexuals and white landowners(Amnesty International)
20.000 Ndebele civilians have been killed by the 5th Brigade, this constitutes ethnic massacre
in 2005 10.000 people have had their homes destroyed in Harare because the president started a "clean up" operation
700.000 Zimbabweans lost their home or livelihood and another 2.4 million have been negatively affected(UN)

And not only: he is guilty of AIDS, he is guilty of poverty and he is one, only concrete person, who causes it in all Africa. It is bs.

And neither Rob or I have said that Mugabe is responsible for everything that happens in Africa.

The poverty is everywhere, in every African country.

True, but you have to understand that Zimbabwe was a very successful country and an example for all African countries not to long ago. And now it sadly has gone down the drain.

Listen mtw, I'm not saying I know everything about Zimbabwe and what is going on there, in fact I can safely say I don't. But lets not pretend that Mr. Mugabe is a nice guy and all is well in Zimbabwe. Not every country in Africa is the same. And please, can you not at least feel a little for Rob who is living in a country he loves and is watching it slowly(or at this moment rather fast) go to waste.

mtw

10-20-2007, 07:22 PM

You don't know why but somehow manage to know the two reasons why?:scratch: Even I'm confused now.:unsure:

Since Mugabe has been in office:

Zimbabwe has the highest inflation rate in the world, 11.000% (UNEC for Africa)
Zimbabwe now has 85% unemployment
Zimbabwe has become Africa's worst economic performer (UNEC for Africa)
opposition leaders have mysteriously died
Zimbabwe now has world's shortest life expectancy(WHO)
the country has the greatest % of orphans in the world(UNICEF)
human-rights have been abused amongst others those of homosexuals and white landowners(Amnesty International)
20.000 Ndebele civilians have been killed by the 5th Brigade, this constitutes ethnic massacre
in 2005 10.000 people have had their homes destroyed in Harare because the president started a "clean up" operation
700.000 Zimbabweans lost their home or livelihood and another 2.4 million have been negatively affected(UN)

And neither Rob or I have said that Mugabe is responsible for everything that happens in Africa.

True, but you have to understand that Zimbabwe was a very successful country and an example for all African countries not to long ago. And now it sadly has gone down the drain.

Listen mtw, I'm not saying I know everything about Zimbabwe and what is going on there, in fact I can safely say I don't. But lets not pretend that Mr. Mugabe is a nice guy and all is well in Zimbabwe. Not every country in Africa is the same. And please, can you not at least feel a little for Rob who is living in a country he loves and is watching it slowly(or at this moment rather fast) go to waste.

Yes, it is very sorry, what you write, but it concerns every African country not only Zimbabwe. Sanctions are cause of poverty too. regimes, civil wars are additionally in other African countries: children-troops, ***** women, millions of people are dead. What can be done in this case? Practically nothing. Only material help from usual people and nothing more. Politicians of west countries are interested in natural resources of this region and they are glad of this state of things. And it will last and last longer.

FerrersLinda

10-21-2007, 12:49 AM

Yes, it is very sorry, what you write, but it concerns every African country not only Zimbabwe. Sanctions are cause of poverty too. regimes, civil wars are additionally in other African countries: children-troops, ***** women, millions of people are dead. What can be done in this case? Practically nothing. Only material help from usual people and nothing more. Politicians of west countries are interested in natural resources of this region and they are glad of this state of things. And it will last and last longer.

Don't agree.

mtw

10-21-2007, 07:30 AM

Don't agree.

Sorry, it is true.

Richard_from_Cal

03-29-2008, 10:58 PM

Because of a photo in my daily newspaper, very much like the one below, I'm bumping this thread.

Sorry to witness another African country, one of the most beautiful ones going into ruin. However, I wouldn't totally blame Mugabe for Zimbabwe's demise, as any South African country inhabited by white minority and black majority, where the white minority used to run the country, you will have resentment and deep disconnect between the two. Maybe you are too young to remember Ian Smith and his government, at the time only few black Africans were allowed to vote in Rodhesia. He was against black majority rule and his political arrangements was one that disenfranchised the black majority. He is known to have said that he did not believe in black majority rule until his death and so on...
Either way, Mugabe is bad news for black and white Zimbabweans alike. Hope things will get better and you will have your country back where black and whites can live peacefully together.

GustavoM_Fan

04-01-2008, 07:01 AM

mugabe is a baster. he is ruining the country

where is sharpeirob? he doenst connect more to MTF?

its.like.that

04-02-2008, 05:37 PM

mugabe 4 eva

buddyholly

04-02-2008, 06:37 PM

where is sharpeirob? he doenst connect more to MTF?

Probably because connecting to the Internet there now costs 200,000,000 Zimbabe dollars/minute.

Richard_from_Cal

04-02-2008, 11:57 PM

@ GustavoM_Fan: Maybe he forgot his password, or is more active on another tennis forum.
(Last post was: Feb. something, 2008)

@buddyholly: I think I remember a Personal Message he sent that gave me that he was a refugee, (England?)...maybe it was a posting...

Richard_from_Cal

04-05-2008, 12:15 AM

Whoop, a coup!
http://www.voanews.com/english/Africa/Zimbabwe/2008-04-04-voa49.cfm
.
Legal officer Wilbert Mandinde of the Media Institute of Southern Africa-Zimbabwe representing Sipho Moses Maseko and Abdulla Ismail Gaibee, told reporter Carole Gombakomba of VOA's Studio 7 for Zimbabwe that such arrests of journalists shows the government does not want the world to know what is going on in the country....been there before...shoot the messenger, if you don't like the bad news...

Problem is, that's a Barry Bearak of the New York times and a British journalist, were still in police custody late Friday. ...pair of English-speaking journalists they've got there...:devil:...evil mofos. Don't they know they're the source of the world's problems?

Of course the election is being rigged. TIA.
Just from a couple of days ago, I glanced at the paper and saw the military was in control. Is Mugabe on the way out? :eek: (Of course, if like in America, the Chief Exec. is in charge of the military...)

from today's L.A. Times:Zimbabwe vote

South Africa hardens its position, calling for the release of election results. Meanwhile, the opposition says President Mugabe's regime has unleashed an orgy of violence since the vote. page A11

buddyholly

04-18-2008, 10:21 PM

Didn't he say that he would die in office, no matter what?

It would have been a good time for the Pope to talk directly to the Zimbabwe delegates at the UN. Instead, his speech was like some doctoral thesis on a subject that nobody understood. ''The use of obfuscation in political/religious speech-making'' might have been the title.

GustavoM_Fan

04-18-2008, 10:28 PM

yesterday I read something about Zimbabwe-Rhodesia history and the civil war here :eek: didnt have idea about this..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhodesian_Bush_War

I only know that the communist implement by Mugabe is destroying all

Richard_from_Cal

04-20-2008, 10:43 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhodesian_Bush_War

Thanks. Just a cursory search of the personalities on this wikipedia page reveals that all but Mr. Mugabe are dead. Mr. Ian Smith just recently passed away, (in exile, in South Africa -=in November 2007=-).
.
....I take that back, one last 'establishment figure' remains:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abel_Muzorewa
.

Haute

04-20-2008, 11:03 PM

Overall, how safe is Zimbabwe? My sister and her family are moving there next year as part of her husband's job with the US Defense Dept.

sharpeirob

04-21-2008, 11:12 AM

Hello my friends I am back for a little while not long however.

If you have been living in the current world and not under some rock (or in America) you may have heard and are worried about the current news of the Zimbabwe(fr. Rhodesia) elections and the disgrace of Zanu-PF.

I have seen/witnessed first hand the shambolic situation of these votes and have come here to help your knowledge on the current situation.

I know you may not have anything to do/say but your words of support might help in some small way.

sharpeirob

04-21-2008, 11:13 AM

This is on news that this morning, several MPs have declared Zimbabwe a war zone.

buddyholly

04-21-2008, 04:02 PM

Since Mugabe has barred the press from reporting on his election triumph, your first-hand reports from the front will be essential reading.

GlennMirnyi

04-21-2008, 07:03 PM

If Ginger didn't live in Yorkshire, maybe... :p

buddyholly

04-21-2008, 10:57 PM

If Ginger didn't live in Yorkshire, maybe... :p

And I live in a $20million condo on the beach.

This is cyberspace. Anything goes.

GustavoM_Fan

04-22-2008, 01:37 AM

wow. just in time. I started to read about Rhodesia (actual Zimbabwe) days ago. I heard the country name but didnt have idea where it was placed.

I started to realize that there is a lot about Africa that people of the world doesnt realize about it.
per example I didnt have idea about the existence of this war :eek:
http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GL4TDTmeRAo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GL4TDTmeRAo)

but in the newspapers there is always a little page about actual Zimbabwe elections situation at least
I want to know what the hell this Mugabe wants?? just power?? so cruel and :retarded: can be a man? what he wants? I dont understand

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTxYa-QjX20ç

apparently this is an african phenomenon , excepting the north (morocco, tunis, etc). why the african blacks have so many problems of organization? why these fights between clans of the same race? :scratch:

here in america, the natives addapted much more to the colonization, and it was unlikely to see a war between clans or different races. but there is a different culture, different clima, different territory, etc. the miscegenation was more relaxed also

the only situation of "war" u can see in America is in Colombia because of the drugs, , but is not a racial fight. ak47 guys also like in Africa

GlennMirnyi

04-22-2008, 01:38 AM

And I live in a $20million condo on the beach.

This is cyberspace. Anything goes.

My point is that he isn't Zimbabwean, it's all a joke. :) :D

Scotso

04-22-2008, 02:04 AM

A bad one that I think he might actually believe himself. He's insane.

SloKid

04-22-2008, 08:34 AM

Rawbie, you're alive! :D

sharpeirob

04-22-2008, 01:04 PM

Rawbie, you're alive! :D

It seems I am
Zanu-PF didnt get me this time :banana:

buddyholly

04-22-2008, 01:15 PM

My point is that he isn't Zimbabwean, it's all a joke. :) :D

There are no jokes in cyberspace.

buddyholly

04-22-2008, 01:17 PM

Rawbie, tell us it's all true.

sharpeirob

04-22-2008, 01:44 PM

MTF reflects the international mocking of Zimbabwe and its people. I do not have to defend myself - I am only been ridiculed for trying to publicise my country's deterioation.

buddyholly

04-23-2008, 03:23 AM

It's only that Brazil nut that doesn't believe you. Keep reporting. I know the danger you are in and think you very heroic.

Richard_from_Cal

04-23-2008, 06:31 PM

MTF reflects the international mocking of Zimbabwe and its people. I do not have to defend myself - I am only been ridiculed for trying to publicise my country's deterioation.
I don't mock Zimbabwe. However, I am ignorant of the situation...and can admit it.

I saw something in the Los Angeles Times today (didn't read the article, only saw the headline and picture--) about South Africans protesting arms being shipped to Zimbabwe. [Will come back to this thread, perhaps, and post the hyperlink, when at a terminal with better access.

oh, well; here's the link, I think, to a Jane's (defense company) article, on the same issue... (http://www.janes.com/news/security/countryrisk/iwr/iwr080423_1_n.shtml)

Black Adam

04-23-2008, 07:24 PM

I am glad that those weapons are barred entry. For once I am glad it's a landlocked country and more reason to despise China :retard: :o

buddyholly

04-25-2008, 03:12 PM

Mugabe has sent his thugs to round up opposition members today, including women and children. I fear that Zimbabwe is about to enter the list of countries practising genocide, if it can not already be called that. Sadly, I don't think it is a matter for jokes anymore.

sharpeirob

04-26-2008, 07:43 PM

It seems there is hope in the Southern African countries as a previous poster said no country had let them enter in their ports for cross-country transit. You have no idea how I can convey the mass relief felt in Zimbabwe. There was fear when it started moving to Angola or Mozambique(reports were unsure of which as the ship turned off its GPS device that lets other track it!) But it is heading back to the hellhole where it came from thankgod.

Yes buddyholly, there were attacks on MDC supporters and arrests of 200+ who are now political prisoners. Another show of Mugabe desperation is the arrest of children - who of course are a massive voting majority :retard:

sharpeirob

04-26-2008, 07:45 PM

And I bring you news of this 'recount'.

There was widespread condemnation but today, there was a shock when the original results were deemed valid after much anticipation of Mugabe changing the results.

Very interesting read here if you do not know much or want to be updated of what is going on in Zimbabwe.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7369072.stm

Black Adam

04-28-2008, 09:53 PM

MDC will win the recount and Mugabe will have credibility when he rigs the Presidential run off. It's easy to see behind the lies and deceit.

sharpeirob

04-30-2008, 06:56 PM

MDC have won the recount by 4%, but 50% needed for majority. How convenient but i still have hope for Zimbabwe

sharpeirob

04-30-2008, 06:56 PM

MDC will win the recount and Mugabe will have credibility when he rigs the Presidential run off. It's easy to see behind the lies and deceit.

I hope your second half of the post will not become truth :sad:

Richard_from_Cal

05-21-2008, 12:52 AM

I am stunned to have lived to see the day where black people emmigrate to South Africa. Yet it happens. So much so...that the newspaper section covering international news showed a white policeman putting out a black man, who had been set on fire.

He was the wrong type, of black man. A Zimbabwean emigree, in South Africa:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=15&entry_id=26645

Zimbabwe's High Court ordered police to release an opposition member of parliament who was arrested Saturday for the second time in a week amid mounting tensions before this month's presidential runoff.

Eric Matinenga was initially arrested June 1 on charges of inciting public violence. He had been released Thursday after charges were dropped.

The opposition says President Robert Mugabe's government is trying to sabotage Movement for Democratic Change leader Morgan Tsvangirai's campaign.

sharpeirob

06-10-2008, 09:34 AM

I dont even want to post more news :sad:

It is all going downhill since the recount.

Mugabe and his pigs have overrun country with fear and violence now as a last resort even more than usual - yet he is having five star luxory in Rome horrible, twisted dictator.

Not a different world. However, a populist dictator, can ruin his country.

This is interesting actually. Even though Cara is now with an Australian, she has stated several times she cant wait to move back and live in Zimbabwe permenantly...this was only a month or so agoo I read an article in Zim News by Cara at a Zim juniors tennis tournament!Not sure of the brothers though

Richard_from_Cal

06-21-2008, 11:59 PM

From the Arizona Republic, today:HARARE, ZIMBABWE

Opposition urges voters to send Mugabe packing

Zimbabwe's opposition leader called on his supporters Friday to challenge President Robert Mugabe's rule in next week's runoff election despite a "wave of brutality" that he says the government has unleashed.

Even as Morgan Tsvangirai urged Zimbabweans to have the courage to vote in the face of a violent crackdown, a judge ordered Tendai Biti, the No. 2 opposition leader, held on treason and other charges until after the election.
So, hate to be the bearer of bad tidings, but it doesn't make sense to advocate a large amount of people to fly in the face of a "wave of brutality." --More of the same, i.e.: Robert Mugabe, ...is to be expected. Or so I would think.

do u think any country (per ex USA or Britain) plans to remove Mugabe or something similar??? this guy apparently is the king of his own world and nobody enters on it

Black Adam

06-22-2008, 06:14 PM

Damn! Tsvangirai has pulled out of the election because it's pointless since people are being tortured/murdered. It's obvious that people were going to suffer more and more. Mugabe is just like a stain that refuses to go away!Fuck!

Black Adam

06-22-2008, 06:19 PM

Zimbabwe's opposition leader Morgan Tsvangirai says he is pulling out of Friday's presidential run-off, handing victory to President Robert Mugabe.
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44769000/jpg/_44769180_b6807727-fd17-4654-876f-b3a17f374a55.jpg
Mr Tsvangirai said there was no point running when elections would not be free and fair and "the outcome is determined by... Mugabe himself".
He called on the global community to step in to prevent "genocide".
But the ruling Zanu-PF said Mr Tsvangirai had taken the decision to avoid "humiliation" in the poll.

The opposition decision came after its supporters, heading to a rally in the capital Harare, came under attack.
The opposition Movement for Democratic Change says at least 70 supporters have been killed and 200,000 forced from their homes by ruling party militias.
At a press conference in Harare on Sunday, Mr Tsvangirai said: "We in the MDC cannot ask them to cast their vote on 27 June, when that vote could cost them their lives."
"We have resolved that we will no longer participate in this violent, illegitimate sham of an election process."
"We will not play the game of Mugabe," he added.
He called on the United Nations, African Union and the southern African grouping SADC to intervene to prevent a "genocide" in Zimbabwe.

Zimbabwe's Information Minister Sikhanyiso Ndlovu told the BBC that Mr Tsvangirai pulled out the vote because he faced "humiliation and defeat" at the hands of President Mugabe, who he said would win "resoundingly".
"Unfortunately," he said, the opposition leader's decision was "depriving the people of Zimbabwe of a vote".
Rally blocked
BBC Africa analyst Martin Plaut says the key question now is what Thabo Mbeki, president of Zimbabwe's powerful neighbour South Africa, will do.
He is in the best position to step up the pressure on Mr Mugabe, since Zimbabwe is so economically dependent on South Africa, our analyst says.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44769000/jpg/_44769071_d69f94f6-8f6f-4ef9-80c9-328bbcb2e351.jpg Some opposition supporters at the rally were captured and beaten

South Africa immediately responded to the news by calling on the MDC to continue talks to try to find a political solution.
"We are very encouraged that Mr Tsvangirai, himself, says he is not closing the door completely on negotiations," said a spokesman for Mr Mbeki.
On Sunday, the MDC was due to stage a rally in Harare - the highlight of the campaign.
But supporters of Mr Mugabe's Zanu-PF occupied the stadium venue and roads leading up to it.
Witnesses reported seeing hundreds of youths around the venue wielding sticks, some chanting slogans, and others circling the stadium crammed onto the backs of trucks.
Some set upon opposition activists, leaving a number badly injured, the MDC said.
It said African election monitors were also chased away from the rally site.
The United States reacted to Sunday's developments by saying: "The government of Zimbabwe and its thugs must stop the violence now."

Beatings and arrests

The MDC says Mr Tsvangirai won the presidential election outright during the first round in March.
The government admits he won more votes than President Mugabe, but says he did not take enough to win outright.
But in recent weeks, as the run-off approached, the MDC said it had found campaigning near impossible.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/shared/img/o.gif http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/img/v3/start_quote_rb.gif Mugabe will remain unopposed to seek revenge and retribution on all who stood for democracy and change http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/img/v3/end_quote_rb.gif

Sam, St Lucia

Its members have been beaten, and its supporters evicted from their homes, forcing it to campaign in near secrecy.
Mr Tsvangirai was arrested several times, and the party's secretary general, Tendai Biti, has been held and charged with treason.
The BBC's Peter Biles, in Johannesburg, says Mr Mugabe has made clear he will never relinquish power, saying only God could remove him.
While Mr Tsvangirai's move will hand victory to Mr Mugabe, it is unclear whether the international community or election observers will confer any legitimacy on the process, our correspondent says.
Britain's Foreign Secretary David Miliband told the BBC: "Robert Mugabe has certainly not won the election, in fact the only people who can claim that are the opposition," which won the parliamentary vote in March.
Zimbabwean ministers said the run-off vote would go ahead, unless Mr Tsvangirai submitted a formal letter of withdrawal.
But Levy Mwanawasa, president of neighbouring Zambia, said the run-off should be postponed "to avert a catastrophe in the region".
He said Zimbabwe's economic collapse was affecting the whole region, and he called on SADC to take a similar stance.
"It's scandalous for SADC to remain silent on Zimbabwe," he said.
"What is happening in Zimbabwe is embarrassing to all of us."

Horrible!

Purple Rainbow

06-22-2008, 10:56 PM

I dont even want to post more news :sad:

It is all going downhill since the recount.

Zimbabwe has been going downhill since 1980.
Every time you think the country has hit rock bottom, Mugabe manages to make it sink just a little deeper.

Thabo Mbeki, do something to stop this madness!

Black Adam

06-22-2008, 11:20 PM

Mbeki is very useless. He worships Mugabe who gave him protection during the Apartheid. I can't wait for him to leave, the man can't even run his own country so why should people turn to him to solve a problem like Zimbabwe. For 2 years he has been saying the same garbage: discussion between the 2 parties............ there is no discussion possible==> Mugabe and his cronies must leave.

As I told my dad, Countries will only help other countries if there is something to be gained or something they risk losing.

SADC countries like Zambia are now getting active because they face a surge of refugees from Zimbabwe. South Africa has already had the xenophobia attacks but the worst is yet to come.

I just hope for once the UN has the balls to do something effective. I mean even NATO did a better job in the former Yugoslavia by taking action when discussion was heading no way. Same situation right now in Zim.

BTW nice move from Tsvangirai because the Zanoids can't harass/murder/torture people. Besides Mugabe has no legitimacy and the world ought to only recognize the 1st round result.

Richard_from_Cal

06-23-2008, 11:26 PM

I've been wondering. Since Nationmaster.com and the C.I.A.'s World Fact Book have Zambia, and Zimbabwe at 80% (+/-) poverty (even before the recent election hassles...how do you get food aid in? Mr. Mugabe has been harassing aid workers...

I just wondered, since recent coverage in the U.S.A. press has us feeling guilty about subsidizing foodstuff into alcohol programs and hence driving up the costs of food when the international situation is also driving up energy prices. {A story I read recently had the Haitians eating clay cookies, no kidding, to suage their hunger.}

HARARE (AFP) — Robert Mugabe was sworn in Sunday for a sixth term as Zimbabwe's president after a one-man election denounced by African observers and much of the world as wracked by violence and intimidation.

After taking the oath of office from Chief Justice Godfrey Chidyausiku at his State House residence, the 84-year-old leader issued an appeal for "unity" among Zimbabwe's political parties.
..more at hyperlink,....
....above

How does this country keep going on? Driving out white property owners, fomenting an economic collapse, persecuting the political opposition, ...I'll bet he's got some really merciful solutions to the AIDs crisis in his country, too.

He (Robert Mugabe) is:

A) Adolph Hitler--in the resurrection and with a new country to try and devastate. (Didn't Idi Amin Dada have a statue to Hitler, when he still ruled Uganda?)--

B) Idi Amin, out of retirement in Saudi Arabia, having had plastic surgery or some other disguise sufficient to replace the original Mugabe.

C) ..a perfect illustration of the old cliche that "power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely."

Not my country, not my worries. :confused:

scoobs

07-01-2008, 09:39 PM

I just feel deeply saddened at how long this crisis has been going on, how appalling the situation in Zimbabwe has become, and deeply angry at the impotence of the rest of the world. Either due to powerlessness or indifference, the worst our leaders seem to be able to do is wave their fists and pass pointless resolutions in various fora while Mugabe laughs in our faces and ruins his country and kills his people. He has no solutions but won't leave power because of the fear of what would happen to him and his allies in the military and police if his enemies were to get power.

And nothing happens.

Maybe I'm idealistic but we should be better than this in the 21st century. We should not be allowing these situations to happen. But I guess Zimbabwe has no oil so there's no benefit to regime change.

Richard_from_Cal

07-02-2008, 06:53 PM

They're one of the descendant nations of the British Empire, maybe, if Idi Amin could/was 'pensioned' to Saudi Arabia, the same could be offered to Robert Mugabe. Where, oh where? however.

From the online encyclopedia-like reference, (with a lot of burden on it's name*): The UK annexed Southern Rhodesia from the [British] South Africa Company in 1923. A 1961 constitution was formulated that favored whites in power. In 1965 the government unilaterally declared its independence, but the UK did not recognize the act and demanded more complete voting rights for the black African majority in the country (then called Rhodesia). UN sanctions and a guerrilla uprising finally led to free elections in 1979 and independence (as Zimbabwe) in 1980. Robert Mugabe, the nation's first prime minister, has been the country's only ruler (as president since 1987) and has dominated the country's political system since independence. His chaotic land redistribution campaign, which began in 2000, caused an exodus of white farmers, crippled the economy, and ushered in widespread shortages of basic commodities. Ignoring international condemnation, Mugabe rigged the 2002 presidential election to ensure his reelection. The ruling ZANU-PF party used fraud and intimidation to win a two-thirds majority in the March 2005 parliamentary election, allowing it to amend the constitution at will and recreate the Senate, which had been abolished in the late 1980s. In April 2005, Harare embarked on Operation Restore Order, ostensibly an urban rationalization program, which resulted in the destruction of the homes or businesses of 700,000 mostly poor supporters of the opposition, according to UN estimates. President Mugabe in June 2007 instituted price controls on all basic commodities causing panic buying and leaving store shelves empty for months. In October 2007, Constitutional Amendment 18 came into effect allowing for harmonized presidential and parliamentary elections, shortening the length of the presidential term to five years, and moving up the date for parliamentary elections. General elections are expected in March 2008.

*--C.I.A. World Fact Book - 2008

It may be their mineralogical resources, and proximity to South Africa:Exports - commodities:
platinum, cotton, tobacco, gold, ferroalloys, textiles/clothing
^^Maybe he really is shrewd. Platinum is through the roof. Gold is back up there, too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTwGA7RZQCg
^^--seems to be a boycott of President Mugabe, in an upcoming summit--^^

Zimbabwe opposition leader Morgan Tsvangirai said current conditions are not suitable for talks with President Robert Mugabe.

Richard_from_Cal

07-09-2008, 10:41 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTwGA7RZQCg
^^--seems to be a boycott of President Mugabe, in an upcoming summit--^^

It seems to be "on." ...from today's Arizona RepublicUNITED NATIONS
Zimbabwe sanctions have support in U.N.

A majority of U.N. Security Council member countries support a proposal to sanction Zimbabwe and freeze the assets of President Robert Mugabe, French and U.S. officials said Tuesday, but Russia warned it might veto the plan.

A vote on a U.S. draft resolution calling for sanctions over state-supported election violence in Zimbabwe is expected later this week.
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Richard_from_Cal

07-09-2008, 10:45 PM

further, in the article:"Yes, we think" that nine of the council's 15 votes are behind the proposal, French Ambassador Jean-Maurice Ripert told reporters. "It's obvious there is global support for tougher measures."

However, Russian Ambassador Vitaly Churkin warned of a possible veto.

Sanctions, against the leader only? How do you do that? Because making the Zimbabwean people bear the burden of their leader's mismanagement...:SIGH:

star

08-24-2008, 04:42 PM

Here is an article on the elections in Zimbabwe that I think is very good. It's hard to get good reporting out of Zimbabwe because of the violence and repression there. Peter Godwin was born and raised in Zimbabwe. His father and sister are buried there. He tells the remarkable and unexpected story of his family and of Zimbabwe in a book "When a Crocodile Eats the Sun." It is a Shona expression for an eclipse of the sun.

This article "Day of the Crocodile" is about the recent elections (or non-elections) in Zimbabwe. It isn't terribly long, but it give a good overview of what is happening there. For sure, with all that is happening in the world perhaps people aren't so interested in Zimbabwe or feel they can't do very much. But, if you don't want to simply turn away from the tragedy that has befallen this beautiful country and people, please read.

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/09/zimbabwe200809

Richard_from_Cal

08-24-2008, 10:49 PM

Thanks. Bookmarked.

star

09-10-2008, 04:50 PM

Here's another news story about Zim. This time about bloggers trying to spread news.

I would just like to thank you all for your continued support of Zimbabwe. I have returned to the UK after another stint in Zimbabwe when I went to Bulawayo.

Bulawayo is our second city, but not as tense as in Harare, but of course still ravageing from all the effects of everythiing that is wrong.

IT took me for ever to return, due to Britain refusing to do direct Harare flights which is just stupid for the likes of myself.

Times are looking up. Mugabe was heckled in parliament which was amazing to see, I hope he knows what is coming to him. There are also renewed talks which look more and more positive.

Of course you have heard all this before but been in Bulawayo and the news drought aswell as barely no net makes you a little out of sync!

Again, thankyou for your support.

star

09-11-2008, 09:44 PM

I would just like to thank you all for your continued support of Zimbabwe. I have returned to the UK after another stint in Zimbabwe when I went to Bulawayo.

Bulawayo is our second city, but not as tense as in Harare, but of course still ravageing from all the effects of everythiing that is wrong.

IT took me for ever to return, due to Britain refusing to do direct Harare flights which is just stupid for the likes of myself.

Times are looking up. Mugabe was heckled in parliament which was amazing to see, I hope he knows what is coming to him. There are also renewed talks which look more and more positive.

Of course you have heard all this before but been in Bulawayo and the news drought aswell as barely no net makes you a little out of sync!

Again, thankyou for your support.

:hug: :hug: Glad you are back!

Here is a story on the results of the talks. It looks optimistic, but who knows for sure how it will go. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7554439.stm

And thanks for changing the title!! Now we can have a thread to post news and talk. :)

sharpeirob

09-14-2008, 06:45 PM

hav been looking for news of the actual details of this 'agreement'

none so far

we zimbos can dream of peace. will i ever see it?

sharpeirob

09-15-2008, 02:22 PM

Finally! BBC reliable as ever

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7615906.stm

sharpeirob

09-15-2008, 02:24 PM

Like Tsvangirai says, it is not an incurable cure to years of abuse by Crazy bob and his Cronies, the massive white explusion will cause food shortages for many many years to come. Mugabe's fault. Economics of Zim will not return to normal soon. Mugabe's fault.

THe list goes on and on. THe poor Black Zimbo's are the worse off still, with the Operation clean up and widespread aids and other disease epidemic. At times I am glad thatI am in the UK most of the year round and only see the usual horror during a couple of breaks from uni

Stensland

09-15-2008, 02:26 PM

are you in harare now?

sharpeirob

09-15-2008, 02:33 PM

No, no - I have returned to the UK last week from Bulawayo actually this time round.

I only return sparingly now as I slowly grind out a degree and a full time job in the UK :wavey:

Stensland

09-15-2008, 02:36 PM

good to know. :) i couldn't be bothered to read the whole thread before, to be honest, as zimbabwe seems so far away. but it's pretty interesting to read your eye-witness reports. i take it you're going to stay in the uk "forever", if you will, with job, family and residence being a part of that, right? do you see yourself as an expat?

sharpeirob

09-15-2008, 02:36 PM

Plus you have not been able to go to ZIM direct without going to RSA or Kenya first for a long time now which is just ANNOYING. Really lengthens the journey

sharpeirob

09-15-2008, 02:38 PM

good to know. :) i couldn't be bothered to read the whole thread before, to be honest, as zimbabwe seems so far away. but it's pretty interesting to read your eye-witness reports. i take it you're going to stay in the uk "forever", if you will, with job, family and residence being a part of that, right? do you see yourself as an expat?

Thanks I welcome your support!

I think I will gradually stay in the UK, but I love Zim so much I really think I will return. I still have family members trying to etch out an existence in Harare and some in Bulawayo aswell - so I am torn. I love Zimbabwe, the UK just dosnt compare to it

sharpeirob

09-15-2008, 02:45 PM

Zimbabwe swimmer gets cash prize

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44971000/jpg/_44971804_-61.jpg Kirsty Coventry was born in Zimbabwe but lives in the United States

Zimbabwe's top Olympic swimmer has been given a $100,000 dollar reward by the country's president, Robert Mugabe.
Kirsty Coventry won all of Zimbabwe's four medals at the Beijing games, taking them to 38th in the medal table.
She was given the money, worth £54,890, in a suitcase by the governor of the central bank.
In a ceremony carried live on state television, Mr Mugabe called the swimmer "a daughter of Zimbabwe" and a "golden girl".
She smashed the world record to win gold in the women's 200 metres backstroke.
'Rare praise'
BBC correspondent Jonah Fisher, based in neighbouring South Africa, says Ms Coventry is lucky her reward is in American dollars, because a suitcase of Zimbabwean currency would scarcely have bought her a loaf of bread.
Inflation is currently running at 11,000,000% and there are widespread shortages of food and fuel.
As he presented Ms Coventry the cash, Mr Mugabe said: "You have done well, daughter of Zimbabwe.
"We wish you well in life. We should praise her. She is our golden girl. Take care of her."
It was rare praise for a white Zimbabwean, our correspondent notes: Mr Mugabe has spent much of the last 10 years repossessing white owned farms and railing against Britain and the West.
During the ceremony, Mr Mugabe also handed out $10,000 (£5,520) to Zimbabwe's other Olympic finalists, while others who were part of the national team were given $2,000 (£1,103).
The 24-year old swimmer, who also won three silver medals in Beijing, is expected to return to her home in the United States this weekend, after a flying visit to the country of her birth.
Mr Mugabe also gave Ms Coventry $50,000 (£27,450) and a diplomatic passport after the Athens games in 2004, where she won three medals - a gold, a silver and a bronze.

Stensland

09-15-2008, 02:45 PM

are there other zimbabweans where you live? what's their take on it? i remember watching a program back in 06 i think dealing with zimbabwe's brain drain (including other white british emigrants' stories in south africa or botswana). young people obviously try to get out of the country now more than ever and most are unlikely to return, according to some guy they interviewed back then. the same goes for south africa apparently.

sharpeirob

09-15-2008, 02:47 PM

Mugabe needs his head examined.

He kills, evicts and steals the whites lives and possessions. But when it suits him he is handing out cash prizes when it suits him?

Even though it was great to see Kirsty perform, he did this last time aswell. She must feel awful, I am unsure of her family circumstances in Zim but how must she feel? All her family's possessions and livelihood destroyed, yet her performance is winning her money from the one man who hates everything she is?

sharpeirob

09-15-2008, 02:50 PM

are there other zimbabweans where you live? what's their take on it? i remember watching a program back in 06 i think dealing with zimbabwe's brain drain (including other white british emigrants' stories in south africa or botswana). young people obviously try to get out of the country now more than ever and most are unlikely to return, according to some guy they interviewed back then. the same goes for south africa apparently.

Well I came to be a student in the city I am in. There are a lot of White Zimbos in London and the surrounding areas. There is actually another evicted white zim guy on the same course I do which is funny. We reminisce but dont really hang out together much, we have seperate lives. His whole family migrated here, whereas a lot of mine still remain, so we have veyr different experiences.

Yeah it's sad but true, must will not return - most WOULD go back if it was safe, physically and economically, but alas it is not and never will be as long as Mugabe lives. I am quite surpised about the South Africans, can't say that I can really talk on their behalf, but for many Whites here, SouthAfrica is their first port of call once leaving the country.

Stensland

09-15-2008, 02:59 PM

well, mugabe is in his 80s so i don't think it'll be such a long wait for you. does he have someone from his own party who's going to "inherit" the country and rule it the same way or would his death mean more or less recovery for the whole nation?

sharpeirob

09-16-2008, 06:12 PM

well, mugabe is in his 80s so i don't think it'll be such a long wait for you. does he have someone from his own party who's going to "inherit" the country and rule it the same way or would his death mean more or less recovery for the whole nation?

I'm not sure really.

On one hand, many people think once he is dead that the sense of fear will be lessened and therefore people will be not so sscared of his henchman via the police force - his main source of power now.

I just dont know really. We can hope someone level headed takes over properly and steers the country in the right direction. I think many white farmers should be invited back, a lot of them would probably return. Do you know that other african nations (ie...nigeria and somaliland area) had a massive grab for them because of their crop success rates?

Accidie

09-16-2008, 08:36 PM

What would the white farmer's come back to, if that were to happen? Wasn't their land confiscated and given away - I don't really know enough about this, but just curious.

I don't think that things will ever be the way they were.

As for Mugabe's thugs, is there anyone among them in a position to take his place?

sharpeirob

09-16-2008, 09:20 PM

IF your family had sustained itself for hundred years and were literally suddenly told they had 48 hours to abandon their lives and possessions, I am sure you would try everything to return?

Not everyone of course, I know peopel who do and people who dont.

Remember, these farms employed hundreds of blacks too. In the land grab they now lay abandoned, dying crops.

No - things wont be the same for a long long time to come, and of course I fear most of the white population will never return sadly. I want to, I really want to.

I think after he goes there are legions of people ready to take his place. I, as is everyoine else, are hoping they maybe have some sense in cooperating with MDC (that is, if MDC arent in power) in moving our nation forward.

scoobs

09-16-2008, 09:26 PM

Good luck. Like many, I'm sure, I'm watching and hoping that the situation in Zimbabwe begins to improve - not sure that the agreement will prove to be worth the paper it's written on, but since it seems like the rest of the world will do nothing in practical terms, we can only hope.

sharpeirob

09-18-2008, 10:29 AM

This makes great reading. The White Farmers want to return in the wake of the weakening of Mugabe. I think it's inevitable.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7621495.stm

Accidie

09-18-2008, 02:06 PM

Is there some way that the white farmers could co-exist with black Zimbabwean farmers, who really only had experience with subsistence farming, if that's correct?

- Share their knowledge of modern farming so that there might be more equity at the top.

Perhaps I'm being naive as I've never been to Zimbabwe or So. Africa for that matter, but if things return to a semblance of the way it used to be, it seems only a matter of time before history will repeat itself - resentment by black Zimbabweans and god forbid, another Mugabe to feed off it.

I don't know, just throwing some thoughts out there.

Blacks and whites have co-existed in the Americas for almost 500 years and it's still broken, for the most part.

Maybe I'm thinking Utopia, there's never been one. :scratch:

star

09-19-2008, 01:07 AM

This makes great reading. The White Farmers want to return in the wake of the weakening of Mugabe. I think it's inevitable.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7621495.stm

Interesting reading! Thanks. I think the relationship of the white farmers and the black farmers is far more complicated than outsiders can comprehend. But for now, it seems to me that the problem is just getting the land productive once again. So much of the land was given to political cronies who have no interest in farming and who don't farm. For the country, it doesn't matter who farms the land so long as it is farmed, and is producing crops to feed the people and also to export to add to the country's wealth. Farm produce was a crucial export before the "reform." Black farmers who do not have equipment or expertise cannot produce little more than subsistence crops. But the country has been run so far into the ground that getting it back on track is a herculean task. My biggest worry, is that after Mugabe, someone wanting power and personal wealth will continue his policies of repression and reprisal, and things won't get better.

I just saw this story today:

President Robert Mugabe and his political rivals have been unable to agree on how to share key cabinet posts, an opposition spokesman said yesterday, in a sign that bitter divisions threaten the power-sharing agreement in Zimbabwe. Nelson Chamisa of the Movement for Democratic Change said a meeting of party leaders broke up with no resolution and deputies had been asked to keep negotiating.

Mugabe's Zanu-PF "is claiming all the powerful ministries," Chamisa said. "That is why there couldn't be agreement and it's being referred back to the negotiators." He said ministries in contention included home affairs, which directs the police who have been accused of political violence. Mugabe remains military commander-in-chief, so the opposition is likely to insist on control of at least some security forces. Other disputed ministries were foreign affairs, finance and local government.

Chamisa said Mugabe, opposition leader Morgan Tsvangirai and the leader of a smaller opposition faction, Arthur Mutambara, would meet again when the president returns from a UN general assembly meeting next week.

Yesterday's talks were the first since the signing on Monday of the unity government deal in which Mugabe ceded some power for the first time in 28 years. The agreement provides for 31 ministers, 15 to be nominated by Mugabe, 13 by Tsvangirai and three by Mutambara.

Accidie

09-19-2008, 12:52 PM

I doubt that this power sharing will turn out well. Mr. Mugabe does not strike me as a man willing to compromise. He is just pretending to go along with it.

No solution to the food crisis can leave out the black Zimbabweans, IMHO. It was and will be their homeland. Modern farming techniques can be taught and learned.

As to the land being given to cronies and lying fallow, that should be corrected as quickly as possible. How, I don't know.

If Mr. M. can give a suitcase of cash to a returning Olympian, then I assume there must be some money somewhere to purchase more equipment.

You are right about food production being the 1st concern, but it can't be a return to the old model where the majority was pretty much excluded.

I'm an outsider, I know it's not that easy.

Richard_from_Cal

12-08-2008, 04:57 PM

Good luck. Like many, I'm sure, I'm watching and hoping that the situation in Zimbabwe begins to improve - not sure that the agreement will prove to be worth the paper it's written on, but since it seems like the rest of the world will do nothing in practical terms, we can only hope.

No, we can pray.

What we pray for is important.

http://voanews.com/english/2008-11-27-voa45.cfm
^--THIS, was previously posted in my "Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse" thread--^

It might not be the hundreds recognized as dying from Cholera, but thousands...in an 'undercount'...

"Zimbabwe used to have one of the best surveillance systems in the region," Rusike said in a telephone interview. "But phones are not working, nurses are not there, so their information system has collapsed. ... It is very difficult to tell how many people have died."

"These are symptoms of a failed state," he said in a telephone interview. "Nothing is working."

Lin Lin

12-09-2008, 03:42 AM

I noticed the current situations in Zimbabwe,hope all you Zimbabweans are okey:)

Richard_from_Cal

12-09-2008, 03:50 AM

from the second article, hyperlinked above l.s.li's postIn a new health report published last week, the civic group Women of Zimbabwe Arise recounted the case of an 8-year-old boy who fell in a school yard and twisted his knee.

"A week later, he was dead," the report said. "The death certificate cited cause of death as 'swollen knee' ... But the real cause of death is clear criminal negligence of the worst kind on the part of the ZANU-PF government."
Obviously, the immune system is depleted, by the time cholera becomes a factor. Cutting back to "one meal in three days" may be voluntary for a parent, not good for children.

sharpeirob

12-09-2008, 10:32 AM

Thankyou for your continued support. There is nothing I can do here :sad:

I am not returning for Christmas either. AllI can do is sit here and watch in horror as my country continues to spiral into further chaos. God help them

buddyholly

12-09-2008, 01:11 PM

No, we can pray.

What we pray for is important.

Why would you have to pray? Is your god too stupid to know for himself what is important?

Scotso

12-09-2008, 02:51 PM

Why would you have to pray? Is your god too stupid to know for himself what is important?

:tape: :lol:

Jimnik

12-09-2008, 02:59 PM

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/europe/2008/12/20081281532271348.html
Good to see more Western leaders speaking out. Brown last week and now Sarkozy. Hopefully words and threats will eventually turn into action.

Scotso

12-09-2008, 03:07 PM

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/europe/2008/12/20081281532271348.html
Good to see more Western leaders speaking out. Brown last week and now Sarkozy. Hopefully words and threats will eventually turn into action.

It's obvious that Mugabe's soldiers only serve him because they benefit financially... I doubt any of them believe in him at all. What I don't understand is why the West doesn't just take up a collection and pay off one of his bodyguards to assassinate him.

Richard_from_Cal

12-09-2008, 04:57 PM

Why would you have to pray? Is your god too stupid to know for himself what is important?:rolleyes:

It's obvious that Mugabe's soldiers only serve him because they benefit financially... I doubt any of them believe in him at all. What I don't understand is why the West doesn't just take up a collection and pay off one of his bodyguards to assassinate him.Kind of wanted this, last night. Assassination, from below…

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/europe/2008/12/20081281532271348.html
Good to see more Western leaders speaking out. Brown last week and now Sarkozy. Hopefully words and threats will eventually turn into action.The French? …Yeah…

Is Sharpe in Zimbabwe?
Sir Alfred Sharpe, do you mean...as in the resurrection in Zimbabwe?

buddyholly

12-10-2008, 04:09 AM

:rolleyes:

Yes, I wrote it in jocular terms, but it is a serious point of interest for me. Why would anyone want to pray to a god, if they claim that the same god is all powerful and knows everything? Why can't they just accept that everything that happens is God's will? I mean, it seems by praying you are asking for special favours, maybe in preference to someone else.

This is the same puzzling issue to me as to why the Williams sisters always thank God for making them a tournament winner. This implies that they are thanking God for favouring them over the loser. And this in turn implies that they think that if you are nice to God he will give you treats.
Just doesn't make sense to me.

Richard_from_Cal

12-10-2008, 09:54 PM

Yes, I wrote it in jocular terms, but it is a serious point of interest for me. Why would anyone want to pray to a god, if they claim that the same god is all powerful and knows everything? Why can't they just accept that everything that happens is God's will? I mean, it seems by praying you are asking for special favours, maybe in preference to someone else.

This is the same puzzling issue to me as to why the Williams sisters always thank God for making them a tournament winner. This implies that they are thanking God for favouring them over the loser. And this in turn implies that they think that if you are nice to God he will give you treats.
Just doesn't make sense to me.
Who is a prophet? Who is righteous?...and if, "the prayer of a righteous man availeth much"...who could expect to see results? {Either acceptance, or denial?}

Hang in there. or..."He who holds out to the last will be saved."

[Re: the Williams sisters.===> I felt...discommoded, that two Belgians passed them, at the top. Made some comment, that there was something wrong, or afoot there.

Then someone called my attention to the fact that it was more improbable that two sisters would make it to #1, than two women from the same country.] :wink:
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Slight addition: I COULD thank G-*-d that I'm not resident in Haiti, Zimbabwe, Northern Ossetia, etc.

It's awful, for the first time I have never returned home for Christmas and I highly doubt now if I will be returning home in the very near future. Water is now tainted with Mugabe death and his actions are the only reason for the situation now.

I have given up hope sadly. The day Mugabe dies is the day when everything can start returning to normal.

Well, I am back and as you may or may not know, Zimbabwe has been going through a lot of change as of late both good and bad.

My year has been traumatic, but lets not talk about me, lets talk about Morgan.

For years we have seen his wife silently support Morgan, she was a decent woman. Sadly she was murdered, sorry, she was killed in a car accident. last month. extremely sad.
there was talk around most the towns, and i have just returned from Bulawayo, of this not been a simple accident. the wrong person died.

Today there was news of MOrgan Tsvangirai had suffered another tragedy, his grandson drowned in a pool. Initial reports seem for it to be an accident. We shall see.

Regarding Zimbabwe.

There has finally, albeit extremely slowly, a very very small incerease in Shop produce and less empty shelves in our shops. The coalition govt seems to have finally done something. Finally thought of Zimbabweans, not just themselves.
The currency situation is still a joke. People are now paid in US Dollars with the ZIM Dollar been almost ussless, even the little street sellers wont accept ZIM$. a Farce. Electricty and Water have now once again become a lot more reliable.

There is a long, long way to go to still however. Disease is rife and hospitals are in meltdown. The govt was also annoucning it plans to repair ties cut to the west in an effort to get some sort of stability in the nation.

I for now must bear you goodbye again and try and reply to questions if any one is interested in the repairs of Zimbabwe

Thankyou

sharpeirob

04-05-2009, 07:18 PM

I also forgot to add the joke and national embarasment of Grace Mugabe.

She has once again been caught in Asia shopping after wtihdrawing thousands and thousands of US Dollars. This woman is a demon. She has no soul. Nobody in this country has time for her and everyone is ashamed of her to have her as a first lady. We want Sally Mugabe to return, sadly this will never happen. She was a decent human being. Grace Mugabe is a devil. She also punched and attacked photographer's who were recording her disgusting exploits.

openwong

04-06-2009, 12:14 PM

Rawbie, you're alive!

MariaV

04-06-2009, 12:32 PM

Thanks for the update, Rob!
The cholera epidemic is reported to be abating too.

jmf07

04-06-2009, 04:32 PM

Sad situation. Didn't hear about how Tsvangirai's grandson drowned. Hope it wasn't murder but one can't help but wonder.

And Grace Mugabe :o. I hope her and her husband have a painful and horrible death and then burn in hell. How can people like that do what they have done and live with themselves.

pica_pica

04-06-2009, 06:11 PM

I live in Hong Kong and there are reports about the Mugabe family buying a house here. Mrs Mugabe even attacked one of our newspaper reporters in the street. And her daughter is reportedly studying in the University of Hong Kong in which I'm in.

openwong

04-07-2009, 07:48 AM

I'm sorry that things are continuing to look down for you in Zimbabwe, Rob.

sharpeirob

12-05-2011, 07:10 PM

Nearly 2012 and Muppetgabe still in power. Unbelievable. The world has failed my once glorious nation. I managed to get hold of some trillion dollar notes to remind me of home but it only made me sadder. RIP Southern Rhodesia.

Well it's been two years since I ventured into this shit dump MTF and I haven't been to ZIM at all. Since my forced removal and ban on the WTA board (in 2005), much like my own forced removal from Zimbabwe I have lingered in online continental obscurity.

It's funny how my online tennis forum history has mirrored that of my country.

This board is still full of muppets ruled by dictators. Much like Zimbabwe.

Long live Southern Rhodesia!

Menstennisforums.zimbabwe.com

SloKid

12-05-2011, 07:41 PM

Hi Rawwbie.

buddyholly

12-05-2011, 08:43 PM

Well it's been two years since I ventured into this shit dump MTF and I haven't been to ZIM at all. Since my forced removal and ban on the WTA board (in 2005), much like my own forced removal from Zimbabwe I have lingered in online continental obscurity.

Can't believe it has been more than two years. Please stay and upgrade us on the Zimbabwe day-to-day gossip. Who has been killed, exiled etc. What communities have been bull-dozed. Who was invited to the latest palace garden party. And what the exchange rates are. All that important stuff.

abraxas21

12-05-2011, 10:24 PM

R.I.P. my people. The forgotton genocide of White Zimbabweans.

:lol:

clown

TMJordan

12-05-2011, 10:44 PM

:lol:

clown

HOW DARE YOU?

buddyholly

12-06-2011, 02:50 AM

Don't worry. He hates all whites. Nobody pays him any attention any more. Just read old Glennmirnyi posts instead, if you care for that stuff.

rocketassist

12-06-2011, 04:48 AM

Where are you living now, Rob?

TMJordan

12-06-2011, 05:05 AM

My guess is good old Rawb is somewhere in England.

sharpeirob

12-06-2011, 08:24 AM

Don't worry. He hates all whites. Nobody pays him any attention any more. Just read old Glennmirnyi posts instead, if you care for that stuff.

How can I hate all whites? Well after two years of course nobody pays attention to me I was simply giving an update.

sharpeirob

12-06-2011, 08:25 AM

Where are you living now, Rob?

My guess is good old Rawb is somewhere in England.

You are correct ;)

buddyholly

12-06-2011, 12:32 PM

How can I hate all whites? Well after two years of course nobody pays attention to me I was simply giving an update.

The reference was to abraxas, who called YOU a clown.

I was a devoted ''listener'' to Zimbabwe news before it went off the air.

vucina

12-06-2011, 03:13 PM

Nearly 2012 and Muppetgabe still in power. Unbelievable. The world has failed my once glorious nation. I managed to get hold of some trillion dollar notes to remind me of home but it only made me sadder. RIP Southern Rhodesia.

Well it's been two years since I ventured into this shit dump MTF and I haven't been to ZIM at all. Since my forced removal and ban on the WTA board (in 2005), much like my own forced removal from Zimbabwe I have lingered in online continental obscurity.

It's funny how my online tennis forum history has mirrored that of my country.

This board is still full of muppets ruled by dictators. Much like Zimbabwe.

Long live Southern Rhodesia!

Menstennisforums.zimbabwe.com

What can I say, I'm sorry your once beautiful and rich country has turned into a famine stricken, aids-infested hellhole, but you shouldn't have listened to British pansies.
But what do you expect? People are losing their land in Europe, and no one gives a damn, so why would they care about expulsion of white colonists that happened 30 years ago?

abraxas21

12-06-2011, 06:06 PM

Don't worry. He hates all whites. Nobody pays him any attention any more. Just read old Glennmirnyi posts instead, if you care for that stuff.

:lol:
it's hilarious how the one clown who uttered those words is ironically the user who probly pays the most attention...

buddyholly

12-07-2011, 01:54 AM

:lol:
it's hilarious how the one clown who uttered those words is ironically the user who probly pays the most attention...

I probably worded it wrongly. I should have said that nobody takes his ''anti-imperialist, anti Western Values'' rants seriously. See the ACC results.

Jimnik

12-07-2011, 07:51 AM

Here's a country that's definitely not fine. Stalin and Mao didn't butcher their economies as fast as Mugabe. Rhodesia was one of Africa's most prosperous regions up until 1980. Now it's officially the world's poorest country.

sharpeirob

12-07-2011, 11:28 AM

What can I say, I'm sorry your once beautiful and rich country has turned into a famine stricken, aids-infested hellhole, but you shouldn't have listened to British pansies.
But what do you expect? People are losing their land in Europe, and no one gives a damn, so why would they care about expulsion of white colonists that happened 30 years ago?

The illegal and forceful expulsion has been happening continuously over the last 10 years to this date so get your facts right.

The skilled and knowledgeable white farmer families are not stupid, they have battled back. Several welcomed the offer from our neighbours in Zambia to begin farming there and they have once again proved fruitful and a great success for that country. There has been teething problems and an awful season weather wise but I believe the majority are in agreement that it has been a success.

sharpeirob

12-07-2011, 11:29 AM

Here's a country that's definitely not fine. Stalin and Mao didn't butcher their economies as fast as Mugabe. Rhodesia was one of Africa's most prosperous regions up until 1980. Now it's officially the world's poorest country.

It is a disaster which makes my heart bleed.

vucina

12-07-2011, 12:08 PM

The illegal and forceful expulsion has been happening continuously over the last 10 years to this date so get your facts right.

The skilled and knowledgeable white farmer families are not stupid, they have battled back. Several welcomed the offer from our neighbours in Zambia to begin farming there and they have once again proved fruitful and a great success for that country. There has been teething problems and an awful season weather wise but I believe the majority are in agreement that it has been a success.

What is it that you want from MTF, to give you Rhodesia back? Western countries stole Kosovo (which is in Europe) from my people and I don't expect any sympathy here because of that. We alone owned that land for the last 1500 years and now thanks to Albanian Muslim invaders backed by USA, Britain... Serbs are almost extinct there. No one gives a shit except other Serbs. Do you care about our land?
And you moan to strangers about your African colony that lasted less than a century. Boo fucking hoo.

sharpeirob

12-07-2011, 12:34 PM

What is it that you want from MTF, to give you Rhodesia back? Western countries stole Kosovo (which is in Europe) from my people and I don't expect any sympathy here because of that. We alone owned that land for the last 1500 years and now thanks to Albanian Muslim invaders backed by USA, Britain... Serbs are almost extinct there. No one gives a shit except other Serbs. Do you care about our land?
And you moan to strangers about your African colony that lasted less than a century. Boo fucking hoo.

You are such a Mugabetard!

buddyholly

12-07-2011, 01:24 PM

As you can see, vucina considers Serbia-Kosovo to have a monopoly on the ''stolen'' lands issue.

Has been moaning about that for years, and then when you come back has the nerve to tell you to stop moaning, you are stealing the spotlight.

sharpeirob

12-07-2011, 01:39 PM

As you can see, vucina considers Serbia-Kosovo to have a monopoly on the ''stolen'' lands issue.

Has been moaning about that for years, and then when you come back has the nerve to tell you to stop moaning, you are stealing the spotlight.

Thankyou, exactly what I thought my buddy Buddy.

This is not a place for "Who has the worse history of genocide in their country" competition. It is the ZImbabwe News Station where I can share my little bits and pieces with you kind people from a country nobody really cares about no more. This vagina/vacina came from nowhere attacking us and looking for Kosotard sympathy for no reason at all.

So delusional. Class A Mugabetard of the highest order.

buddyholly

12-07-2011, 01:45 PM

Thankyou, exactly what I thought my buddy Buddy.

This is not a place for "Who has the worse history of genocide in their country" competition. It is the ZImbabwe News Station where I can share my little bits and pieces with you kind people from a country nobody really cares about no more. This vagina/vacina came from nowhere attacking us and looking for Kosotard sympathy for no reason at all.

So delusional. Class A Mugabetard of the highest order.

I will say one thing for communism, it kept the lid on religious and ethnic hatred. Once communism fell the Balkans boiled over and all the old tribal hatreds resurfaced. Things were so mixed up there that to this day I still am not sure who hates who. The only thing easy to understand is who likes who - nobody.

Time Violation

12-07-2011, 02:11 PM

I will say one thing for communism, it kept the lid on religious and ethnic hatred. Once communism fell the Balkans boiled over and all the old tribal hatreds resurfaced. Things were so mixed up there that to this day I still am not sure who hates who. The only thing easy to understand is who likes who - nobody.

Yea, well, it did so by force :) Imagine if you criticize Obama or Bush, and then the government immediately sends you on a few years vacation in Guantanamo Bay (no trial or anything of that kind), thus successfully keeping the lid on the critics. Not sure whether you would appreciate it the same :D

As for the Zimbabwe, not easy to feel sympathetic about a colonized country, the white dudes had no business coming there in the first place.

buddyholly

12-07-2011, 02:15 PM

Yea, well, it did so by force :) Imagine if you criticize Obama or Bush, and then the government immediately sends you on a few years vacation in Guantanamo Bay (no trial or anything of that kind), thus successfully keeping the lid on the critics. Not sure whether you would appreciate it the same :D

I never meant to imply I was saying a good thing about communism.

Time Violation

12-07-2011, 02:29 PM

Yea, I know. You are right in a way, everybody had to be comrades then, and not Serbs, Croats, Muslims or whatever, so it did kind of equalize people, but it wasn't really "sustainable", as they say these days :)

vucina

12-07-2011, 02:59 PM

As you can see, vucina considers Serbia-Kosovo to have a monopoly on the ''stolen'' lands issue.

Has been moaning about that for years, and then when you come back has the nerve to tell you to stop moaning, you are stealing the spotlight.

Where is my thread about stolen Kosovo or Krajina? I don't expect anything from MTF morons like yourself, so I never moan about it, just respond to occasional anti-Serb propaganda.