Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

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I feel like I have changed a great deal of the programming I was taught. I understand this is something I am perceiving now so yes, the program is being re-created and/or changed now.

Yes, I would like to know who is changing the programming, LOL! I would like to know who is learning to use the Genius, who has a subconscious and who is perceiving. heh!

It's still hard to see it all as nothing or as illusion. I understand I feel I exist because I perceive and that's about it. The rest, I'm waiting for a lightbulb moment.

Quoting: Unit3

Who is reading this right now?

Can you imagine the endless physical, electrical, mathematical, and mechanical processes that you have control of right now because you are able to represent those complex processes?

No one is doing that but you.

You are capable of it because you inherently know how to represent anything and then work with those representations.

Quoting: Chaol

Yes, I can imagine all the endless things going on right now as I read this and it's because I have control of them....even though I don't consciously know how. But how does this tell me who I am? A mind?

Quoting: Unit3

You are the most beautiful and wondrous thing that could ever be imagined.

You are Something born of nothing-in-particular.

How amazing is that!?

You are that which takes an infinity of perceptions to try and reproduce.

All of the sonnets, birds, poems, clouds, hats, and swords in the world try, time and time again, to capture your essence. But cannot.

You are the life of life. The beauty of beauty. The wonder of wonder. That which things things try to be but cannot. That is how awesome you are.

They try through all manner of drama, seemingly to create a universe of things that, sadly, cannot capture even a small fragment of the impossible-to-perceive.

Although these things can be beautiful and not, happy and sad, at times thrilling or entirely boring, and everything in between, it is really just a distraction from your essence.

Who are you? You are whomever you are, whomever is possible to be.

But these things are confusing. Who wants to be nothing-in-particular when we can have the illusion of something-in-particular.

And so here you are. Impossible to define, impossible to perceive, impossible to merely think of.. but how wonderfully awesome is it that we can try.

And "try" is this essence. It is all we can do, and it is enough to create an endless universe of yourself, exploding at every moment and filling it again with an entirely new outlook of yourself.

But this "yourself" is not the you that wears clothes and eats food. It is YOU. The most relative thing to you. Your clothes do not illustrate this. The dishes on the table do not capture this. It is so wonderfully hidden because it is this nothing-in-particular, yet everything that could possibly be.

Are you alone? It would seem from my description that you are. What else is there when you are everything?

But the secret of this nothing-in-particular is that you have created an entire universe of perspective because this "alone" is irrelevant!

As soon as "nothing" is irrelevant it 'creates' SOMETHING. How can something be irrelevant when there is nothing else with which to compare?

So here you are.

"Alone in the universe..." is only something to be sad about if there was once two and now one.

Now there is an infinity of you so that it is impossible. And this beauty, these hats, these endless swords, and all the poems that will ever be written are a part of something entirely wondrous and beautiful.

Think of it as a gift from nowhere. It is only an illusion if there is something 'real' with which to compare it. So this story, these epic dramas we call existence is all that needs to be and is the most real thing that could ever possibly be.

You are all that you need to be right now. When I say that everything exists here and now I mean that there is no need to be anyone else, go anyplace else, do anything else, other than what you are doing right now.

Until this YOU perceives something else.

In one word, the you I have illustrated is Perfection.

Quoting: Chaol

W O W Mesmerizing words! Thank you Chaol. I readed it loud and my 4 co-worker gathered around my desk. They thought I was writting a poem...

Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

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I feel like I have changed a great deal of the programming I was taught. I understand this is something I am perceiving now so yes, the program is being re-created and/or changed now.

Yes, I would like to know who is changing the programming, LOL! I would like to know who is learning to use the Genius, who has a subconscious and who is perceiving. heh!

It's still hard to see it all as nothing or as illusion. I understand I feel I exist because I perceive and that's about it. The rest, I'm waiting for a lightbulb moment.

Quoting: Unit3

Who is reading this right now?

Can you imagine the endless physical, electrical, mathematical, and mechanical processes that you have control of right now because you are able to represent those complex processes?

No one is doing that but you.

You are capable of it because you inherently know how to represent anything and then work with those representations.

Quoting: Chaol

Yes, I can imagine all the endless things going on right now as I read this and it's because I have control of them....even though I don't consciously know how. But how does this tell me who I am? A mind?

Quoting: Unit3

You are the most beautiful and wondrous thing that could ever be imagined.

You are Something born of nothing-in-particular.

How amazing is that!?

You are that which takes an infinity of perceptions to try and reproduce.

All of the sonnets, birds, poems, clouds, hats, and swords in the world try, time and time again, to capture your essence. But cannot.

You are the life of life. The beauty of beauty. The wonder of wonder. That which things things try to be but cannot. That is how awesome you are.

They try through all manner of drama, seemingly to create a universe of things that, sadly, cannot capture even a small fragment of the impossible-to-perceive.

Although these things can be beautiful and not, happy and sad, at times thrilling or entirely boring, and everything in between, it is really just a distraction from your essence.

Who are you? You are whomever you are, whomever is possible to be.

But these things are confusing. Who wants to be nothing-in-particular when we can have the illusion of something-in-particular.

And so here you are. Impossible to define, impossible to perceive, impossible to merely think of.. but how wonderfully awesome is it that we can try.

And "try" is this essence. It is all we can do, and it is enough to create an endless universe of yourself, exploding at every moment and filling it again with an entirely new outlook of yourself.

But this "yourself" is not the you that wears clothes and eats food. It is YOU. The most relative thing to you. Your clothes do not illustrate this. The dishes on the table do not capture this. It is so wonderfully hidden because it is this nothing-in-particular, yet everything that could possibly be.

Are you alone? It would seem from my description that you are. What else is there when you are everything?

But the secret of this nothing-in-particular is that you have created an entire universe of perspective because this "alone" is irrelevant!

As soon as "nothing" is irrelevant it 'creates' SOMETHING. How can something be irrelevant when there is nothing else with which to compare?

So here you are.

"Alone in the universe..." is only something to be sad about if there was once two and now one.

Now there is an infinity of you so that it is impossible. And this beauty, these hats, these endless swords, and all the poems that will ever be written are a part of something entirely wondrous and beautiful.

Think of it as a gift from nowhere. It is only an illusion if there is something 'real' with which to compare it. So this story, these epic dramas we call existence is all that needs to be and is the most real thing that could ever possibly be.

You are all that you need to be right now. When I say that everything exists here and now I mean that there is no need to be anyone else, go anyplace else, do anything else, other than what you are doing right now.

Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

Strange times. Be safe peeps.

Consider the possibility that you order yourself into being from chaos... You do this, always, in all ways. This "ordering" has resulted in the possibilities you're experiencing, here, now. In each experience you've ever had, more and more of "this" reality is generated logically from your previous experience. Your observation of this unfolding of order and chaos is reality.

Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

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I feel like I have changed a great deal of the programming I was taught. I understand this is something I am perceiving now so yes, the program is being re-created and/or changed now.

Yes, I would like to know who is changing the programming, LOL! I would like to know who is learning to use the Genius, who has a subconscious and who is perceiving. heh!

It's still hard to see it all as nothing or as illusion. I understand I feel I exist because I perceive and that's about it. The rest, I'm waiting for a lightbulb moment.

Quoting: Unit3

Who is reading this right now?

Can you imagine the endless physical, electrical, mathematical, and mechanical processes that you have control of right now because you are able to represent those complex processes?

No one is doing that but you.

You are capable of it because you inherently know how to represent anything and then work with those representations.

Quoting: Chaol

Yes, I can imagine all the endless things going on right now as I read this and it's because I have control of them....even though I don't consciously know how. But how does this tell me who I am? A mind?

Quoting: Unit3

You are the most beautiful and wondrous thing that could ever be imagined.

You are Something born of nothing-in-particular.

How amazing is that!?

You are that which takes an infinity of perceptions to try and reproduce.

All of the sonnets, birds, poems, clouds, hats, and swords in the world try, time and time again, to capture your essence. But cannot.

You are the life of life. The beauty of beauty. The wonder of wonder. That which things things try to be but cannot. That is how awesome you are.

They try through all manner of drama, seemingly to create a universe of things that, sadly, cannot capture even a small fragment of the impossible-to-perceive.

Although these things can be beautiful and not, happy and sad, at times thrilling or entirely boring, and everything in between, it is really just a distraction from your essence.

Who are you? You are whomever you are, whomever is possible to be.

But these things are confusing. Who wants to be nothing-in-particular when we can have the illusion of something-in-particular.

And so here you are. Impossible to define, impossible to perceive, impossible to merely think of.. but how wonderfully awesome is it that we can try.

And "try" is this essence. It is all we can do, and it is enough to create an endless universe of yourself, exploding at every moment and filling it again with an entirely new outlook of yourself.

But this "yourself" is not the you that wears clothes and eats food. It is YOU. The most relative thing to you. Your clothes do not illustrate this. The dishes on the table do not capture this. It is so wonderfully hidden because it is this nothing-in-particular, yet everything that could possibly be.

Are you alone? It would seem from my description that you are. What else is there when you are everything?

But the secret of this nothing-in-particular is that you have created an entire universe of perspective because this "alone" is irrelevant!

As soon as "nothing" is irrelevant it 'creates' SOMETHING. How can something be irrelevant when there is nothing else with which to compare?

So here you are.

"Alone in the universe..." is only something to be sad about if there was once two and now one.

Now there is an infinity of you so that it is impossible. And this beauty, these hats, these endless swords, and all the poems that will ever be written are a part of something entirely wondrous and beautiful.

Think of it as a gift from nowhere. It is only an illusion if there is something 'real' with which to compare it. So this story, these epic dramas we call existence is all that needs to be and is the most real thing that could ever possibly be.

You are all that you need to be right now. When I say that everything exists here and now I mean that there is no need to be anyone else, go anyplace else, do anything else, other than what you are doing right now.

Until this YOU perceives something else.

In one word, the you I have illustrated is Perfection.

Quoting: Chaol

Chaol, from my heart to yours, I offer you a warm welcome to our world. ;o) May we ever be reminded of our majesty.

Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

AWESOME!!!!!! This is cool. Okay, so I'd also like to pick up a pen and write when I read stuff during dream time, so that I might have a better change of remembering it when awake. Hmmmmmm, so my taking notes from what we chat about here is an example of that, maybe?

Quoting: Unit3

Whatever you are doing now you are doing it both worlds.

You interpret it in one way in one world, and an other way in an other world.

As you write it down in your dream you are also writing it down in your waking world (however, this would probably be translated different in your waking world. Perhaps you'd take a boat ride and have a revelation whilst looking at the sheets of waves).

Also, are you talking about the dream where 3 of us in separate locations, in a 24 hour period experienced a similar type dream? And we haven't realized the value of that accomplishment? It was one event, right?

See, I want to have that happen again and again until it's my reality!!!!

Quoting: Unit3

There are multiple such instances.

Even one would be a world-changing feat. But it may take some time to let it sink in.

Quoting: Chaol

Can write a genius or a word to help it sink in faster?

Quoting: Unit3

Sure. Come up with a word with a meaning of "shared dreaming" and use it.

Quoting: Chaol

And the sentence I use it in does not have to extend the meaning of the word? Correct?

I chose LatKet for my word but I could say, Hey look, it's LatKet outside.

And, are the words around the made up word considered interaction? Iow, is this a condensed Genius so to speak?

"We are the music makers. And we are the dreamers of dreams." Willy Wonka

Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

Strange times. Be safe peeps.

Quoting: Jesse Sovoda

Care to elaborate? Also, if you want to share the title to the book you're reading, I'd love to know more about it too.;o)

Quoting: Unit3

Not too much to elaborate on, I've got a "pending change" feeling. This sense that something significant is underway. Could just be the weather, finally got some snow here in Detroit.

Book? Oh that ol' thing? It's "Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking."

Consider the possibility that you order yourself into being from chaos... You do this, always, in all ways. This "ordering" has resulted in the possibilities you're experiencing, here, now. In each experience you've ever had, more and more of "this" reality is generated logically from your previous experience. Your observation of this unfolding of order and chaos is reality.

Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

I think acceptance is huge. When we execute a Genius, there is no way we can know all the variables that need to take place to make what we want to happen. And probably, if we did, we would never want to use one.

Quoting: Unit3

Maybe I can clarify what I am saying in the post above.

Quoting: Unit3

Unit3, please accept my apologies for making you feel misunderstood, especially when my intention was the exact opposite.

I put the word "probably" from your quote in bold to depict that you had already decided that if you "knew all the variables that needed to take place to make what you want to happen", you wouldn't have made that "particular" wish. Not the Genius in general.

And for that, I tried to show (from my perspective of course) that thinking about the variables (whose number will make you decide to go for this or the other wish), or how you expect the genius to do its job, is exactly what we are not supposed to do. All we have to think of, is the "what" and "why". The "how" leave it to the genius.

But we all must know how to ask "what" and "why" from our previous wishes. What is so special about the genius, that we seem to have a problem with it now (defining point B, that is)?

(That's why I said "we don't know what to do about it").

Your remark is not only legitimate, is common to everyone of us (read Jesse's fear of not losing his precious).

Since I failed to tell what i saw in what you wrote, I will leave it there and maybe come back from another path.

I will try to amuse you though, with another old joke that sometimes reminds me of Chaol.

patient: Doctor, every time I drink tea, I have an ache in my right eye.Doc: Next time, take out the teaspoon from the mug.

Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

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Whatever you are doing now you are doing it both worlds.

You interpret it in one way in one world, and an other way in an other world.

As you write it down in your dream you are also writing it down in your waking world (however, this would probably be translated different in your waking world. Perhaps you'd take a boat ride and have a revelation whilst looking at the sheets of waves).

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There are multiple such instances.

Even one would be a world-changing feat. But it may take some time to let it sink in.

Quoting: Chaol

Can write a genius or a word to help it sink in faster?

Quoting: Unit3

Sure. Come up with a word with a meaning of "shared dreaming" and use it.

Quoting: Chaol

And the sentence I use it in does not have to extend the meaning of the word? Correct?

I chose LatKet for my word but I could say, Hey look, it's LatKet outside.

And, are the words around the made up word considered interaction? Iow, is this a condensed Genius so to speak?

Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

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Whatever you are doing now you are doing it both worlds.

You interpret it in one way in one world, and an other way in an other world.

As you write it down in your dream you are also writing it down in your waking world (however, this would probably be translated different in your waking world. Perhaps you'd take a boat ride and have a revelation whilst looking at the sheets of waves).

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There are multiple such instances.

Even one would be a world-changing feat. But it may take some time to let it sink in.

Quoting: Chaol

Can write a genius or a word to help it sink in faster?

Quoting: Unit3

Sure. Come up with a word with a meaning of "shared dreaming" and use it.

Quoting: Chaol

And the sentence I use it in does not have to extend the meaning of the word? Correct?

I chose LatKet for my word but I could say, Hey look, it's LatKet outside.

And, are the words around the made up word considered interaction? Iow, is this a condensed Genius so to speak?

Quoting: Unit3

Unit. Use the word in context. it's no different than pretending that the word "cat" is an accurate representation for the furry little animate creature, or that the thing you drive in is actually a "car".

Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

Strange times. Be safe peeps.

Quoting: Jesse Sovoda

Care to elaborate? Also, if you want to share the title to the book you're reading, I'd love to know more about it too.;o)

Quoting: Unit3

Not too much to elaborate on, I've got a "pending change" feeling. This sense that something significant is underway. Could just be the weather, finally got some snow here in Detroit.

Book? Oh that ol' thing? It's "Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking."

Quoting: Jesse Sovoda

I can't put that book down either. ;o)

Well it was interesting that you felt this and posted about it too. I was feeling the same thing for my area. We have been in a drought for quite a while. If we don't get rain and have our usual summer, it ain't gonna be good.

"We are the music makers. And we are the dreamers of dreams." Willy Wonka

Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

I think acceptance is huge. When we execute a Genius, there is no way we can know all the variables that need to take place to make what we want to happen. And probably, if we did, we would never want to use one.

Quoting: Unit3

Maybe I can clarify what I am saying in the post above.

Quoting: Unit3

Unit3, please accept my apologies for making you feel misunderstood, especially when my intention was the exact opposite.

I put the word "probably" from your quote in bold to depict that you had already decided that if you "knew all the variables that needed to take place to make what you want to happen", you wouldn't have made that "particular" wish. Not the Genius in general.

And for that, I tried to show (from my perspective of course) that thinking about the variables (whose number will make you decide to go for this or the other wish), or how you expect the genius to do its job, is exactly what we are not supposed to do. All we have to think of, is the "what" and "why". The "how" leave it to the genius.

But we all must know how to ask "what" and "why" from our previous wishes. What is so special about the genius, that we seem to have a problem with it now (defining point B, that is)?

(That's why I said "we don't know what to do about it").

Your remark is not only legitimate, is common to everyone of us (read Jesse's fear of not losing his precious).

Since I failed to tell what i saw in what you wrote, I will leave it there and maybe come back from another path.

I will try to amuse you though, with another old joke that sometimes reminds me of Chaol.

patient: Doctor, every time I drink tea, I have an ache in my right eye.Doc: Next time, take out the teaspoon from the mug.

Quoting: panoukos

I'm so glad you are willing to keep communication between us. Thank you and of course, apologies accepted. I offer mine if I still don't quite catch on to your perspective.

I certainly agree that all we need to deal with is the "what" and "why" of the Genius. I'm also saying the variables are impossible for us to determine. So, letting the Genius do its job is easy, at least for me, because I realize this. After all, we are probably talking about trillions of interactions.

I completely understand Jesse's fear. I have lost my husband over my new perspective but I can't do anything about it. I won't go back and he won't come along. If he changes his mind, that's fine with me. But, I seriously doubt it will happen. He does not want to communicate any more. I've often said, life is messy!

I like your joke but I don't get it in regards to Chaol, heh!

Thanks again. It's nice getting to know you.

"We are the music makers. And we are the dreamers of dreams." Willy Wonka

Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

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Can write a genius or a word to help it sink in faster?

Quoting: Unit3

Sure. Come up with a word with a meaning of "shared dreaming" and use it.

Quoting: Chaol

And the sentence I use it in does not have to extend the meaning of the word? Correct?

I chose LatKet for my word but I could say, Hey look, it's LatKet outside.

And, are the words around the made up word considered interaction? Iow, is this a condensed Genius so to speak?

Quoting: Unit3

Unit. Use the word in context. it's no different than pretending that the word "cat" is an accurate representation for the furry little animate creature, or that the thing you drive in is actually a "car".

Not-Chaol

Quoting: Not-Chaol 5877556

To me, you just described that it doesn't need to be used in context!

"We are the music makers. And we are the dreamers of dreams." Willy Wonka

Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

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Sure. Come up with a word with a meaning of "shared dreaming" and use it.

Quoting: Chaol

And the sentence I use it in does not have to extend the meaning of the word? Correct?

I chose LatKet for my word but I could say, Hey look, it's LatKet outside.

And, are the words around the made up word considered interaction? Iow, is this a condensed Genius so to speak?

Quoting: Unit3

Unit. Use the word in context. it's no different than pretending that the word "cat" is an accurate representation for the furry little animate creature, or that the thing you drive in is actually a "car".

Not-Chaol

Quoting: Not-Chaol 5877556

To me, you just described that it doesn't need to be used in context!

Quoting: Unit3

Then I did not do a very good job explaining. When you are referring to the thing you call a "cat" you are using it in context. You don't call it a couch, stap, or a stronk. It is not in fact a "cat". The word "cat" is a representation for what that thing is which is far too complex to possibly comprehend in full.

Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

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For my Genius, I put the desire is to receive flowers from my true love. I didn't put anything else but I would like someone close to my age. I didn't know how to insert that and figured it would mess things up anyway.

Quoting: Unit3

I would suggest just "flowers" and then going from there.

"true love" is a very nebulous concept and I think would be quite difficult to represent.

That's not to say that you won't experience it using the Genius. I'm just suggesting you let your Genius figure out how it happens for you.

Quoting: Chaol

Okay, let me tell you something interesting and see what you think. I saw your post so I went to my Genius and changed it to just flowers...I took out true love.

But, I am wondering if I need to change the Genius since I changed the original desire for it. And, I noticed 2 of those links I posted re: Olaf, have since been removed from the GLP database.

Do you think this is related to me changing my Genius? heh! And do I need to re-write the Genius since I now changed my desire to just flowers?

Thanks

Quoting: Unit3

As a rule of thumb, any time your symbol is changed you should also change the other elements (in order of change-necessity): Logic, Interaction, Potential Energy

Meaning that if you change your symbol changing the Potential Energy is less important than changing the Logic.

If your intent changes then I would suggest you start over with new elements. They need not be drastically different. Perhaps a slight change is enough (provided you have not used it that much).

Quoting: Chaol

Okay, well starting 10/18/12, I started doing things such as reading about romantic beach getaways, subscribing to travel agencies and things like that.

Some time after that, I learned how to make a Genius. I know for sure I had my Genius by Nov. 17 because I connected it to the Nov. 17 nexus. I worked it that day (a lot) plus I have worked it weekly since I made it.

Then, a couple of days ago I changed it from "flowers from true love" to "receive flowers." What do you suggest I do now?

Here's the Genius if you want to look at it, (scroll down a bit). It might give you a better idea because I mark it under certain conditions:

Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

One other thing. It is probably not healthy to use the Genius out of fear and desperation. You would be adding "fear" and "desperation" to the equation, which would most likely scew the results against you. I think that, basically, you ask yourself, "What do I want?"

What is your dream?

However it is that you get around in your dreams, is how it works in reality. From what I've figured out, they're all dreams.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1523463

The Genius can see beyond those surface emotions.

It is smarter than we think it is ;)

It knows your true emotions.

Because is the very similar to how your reality works.

YOU are the Genius. It is just a pile of dung without this integral relationship.

Quoting: Chaol

I thought I'd post this for review. It never hurts to go over this stuff over and over again. At least, that's how I learn.

"We are the music makers. And we are the dreamers of dreams." Willy Wonka

Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

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And the sentence I use it in does not have to extend the meaning of the word? Correct?

I chose LatKet for my word but I could say, Hey look, it's LatKet outside.

And, are the words around the made up word considered interaction? Iow, is this a condensed Genius so to speak?

Quoting: Unit3

Unit. Use the word in context. it's no different than pretending that the word "cat" is an accurate representation for the furry little animate creature, or that the thing you drive in is actually a "car".

Not-Chaol

Quoting: Not-Chaol 5877556

To me, you just described that it doesn't need to be used in context!

Quoting: Unit3

Then I did not do a very good job explaining. When you are referring to the thing you call a "cat" you are using it in context. You don't call it a couch, stap, or a stronk. It is not in fact a "cat". The word "cat" is a representation for what that thing is which is far too complex to possibly comprehend in full.

Not-Chaol

Quoting: Not-Chaol 5877556

Got it now! Thanks. This could get complicated since I have 2 words I'm wanting to use.

"We are the music makers. And we are the dreamers of dreams." Willy Wonka

Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

A few random thoughts regarding this thread:

I found the concept of everything arising from nothing to be initially off putting and a bit disturbing. "Nothing" has a rather negative connotation in common use. When I reconsider it to be "no-thing" it becomes much more palatable.

In a similar vain, I find the concept of all of what we experience to be an "illusion" to be rather negative as well, much as though you had said it was a "counterfit" experience. You could say that what we experience is an idea, and that would be more positive or you could say it is an "expression" and neither of these would carry the negative baggage that illusion does.

It would seem that the idea of the "genius" or subconcious equates to "God", yes?

By knowing God, we are promised a qualitative change in our experience which is to say we gain "joy" or the "peace that passeth understanding" what Chaol is describing is a way to gain more of the same experience more quickly with no commensurate qualitative change which seems a bit hollow.

I am not meaning to be completely critical, I keep coming back to this thread because it is the most fascinating one on GLP!

Cheers, and Happy New Year!

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12844162

Earlier in this thread I've used nothing-in-particular, which is probably more accurate.

It is not my goal to use language that is seen as positive. (I can't say I know much about what that might be, anyway.) But I also don't want to write too much (haha.. somewhat kidding) so I say "nothing" for short.

However, to say it is an expression or an idea would not convey what I am trying to express.

I think "composite" would be more accurate, though I don't want to use too many terms that seem technical. I try to write for everyone and no-one-in-particular.

Genius would not equate to a more political or cultural (?) term like 'god'. The word carries too much weight and many implications.

I experience joy in my life to be sure, but I do not write about "joy" or the "peace that passeth understanding". We are free to choose how to interpret our own experience (thanks, Jesse!). To me, a nice cold pizza is a joyful experience but perhaps others are looking for something more substantial.

So I prefer to discuss tools that can be used for anything-at-all. You can decide what to do with it.

(I don't mind any criticality. I look forward to it, actually.)

Here's to an exciting 2013!

Quoting: Chaol

Cheers Chaol. (thank you for the thank you and for "coincidentally" being listed in Malaysia for your post, as my wife's family is "from Malaysia")

Somehow your thread retains it's excitement and I find myself constantly checking it (whenever I have the spare time) as if I am reading a book I cannot put down but I am waiting for the next page to be written. I've been experiencing meditation and my dreams in much the same way. On the flip-side, I Work an 8:00 am to 4:30 pm day job as a customer service representative for a health insurance company (I see the job as fairly Ironic) and I've done it for over 10 years now. I look forward (lol I know (intellectually) looking forward is a waste(hope), but I just can't seem to shed what I perceive to be the foundation of my physical wealth and stability) to the day that I can put my "day job" behind me and move on to a career that will feel much like experiencing the unfolding of this thread, my dreams, personal life and meditation.

Here's to an exciting 2013, indeed.

Quoting: Jesse Sovoda

For once, I can safely say that 'Malaysia' was entirely coincidental :)

About your work.. just keep in mind that there are two ways to think of money. As a real object that you need to trade for your time (like a factory worker), and as an abstract concept that is unlocked with ideas (like an author).

Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

A few random thoughts regarding this thread:

I found the concept of everything arising from nothing to be initially off putting and a bit disturbing. "Nothing" has a rather negative connotation in common use. When I reconsider it to be "no-thing" it becomes much more palatable.

In a similar vain, I find the concept of all of what we experience to be an "illusion" to be rather negative as well, much as though you had said it was a "counterfit" experience. You could say that what we experience is an idea, and that would be more positive or you could say it is an "expression" and neither of these would carry the negative baggage that illusion does.

It would seem that the idea of the "genius" or subconcious equates to "God", yes?

By knowing God, we are promised a qualitative change in our experience which is to say we gain "joy" or the "peace that passeth understanding" what Chaol is describing is a way to gain more of the same experience more quickly with no commensurate qualitative change which seems a bit hollow.

I am not meaning to be completely critical, I keep coming back to this thread because it is the most fascinating one on GLP!

Cheers, and Happy New Year!

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12844162

Earlier in this thread I've used nothing-in-particular, which is probably more accurate.

It is not my goal to use language that is seen as positive. (I can't say I know much about what that might be, anyway.) But I also don't want to write too much (haha.. somewhat kidding) so I say "nothing" for short.

However, to say it is an expression or an idea would not convey what I am trying to express.

I think "composite" would be more accurate, though I don't want to use too many terms that seem technical. I try to write for everyone and no-one-in-particular.

Genius would not equate to a more political or cultural (?) term like 'god'. The word carries too much weight and many implications.

I experience joy in my life to be sure, but I do not write about "joy" or the "peace that passeth understanding". We are free to choose how to interpret our own experience (thanks, Jesse!). To me, a nice cold pizza is a joyful experience but perhaps others are looking for something more substantial.

So I prefer to discuss tools that can be used for anything-at-all. You can decide what to do with it.

(I don't mind any criticality. I look forward to it, actually.)

Here's to an exciting 2013!

Quoting: Chaol

Cheers Chaol. (thank you for the thank you and for "coincidentally" being listed in Malaysia for your post, as my wife's family is "from Malaysia")

Somehow your thread retains it's excitement and I find myself constantly checking it (whenever I have the spare time) as if I am reading a book I cannot put down but I am waiting for the next page to be written. I've been experiencing meditation and my dreams in much the same way. On the flip-side, I Work an 8:00 am to 4:30 pm day job as a customer service representative for a health insurance company (I see the job as fairly Ironic) and I've done it for over 10 years now. I look forward (lol I know (intellectually) looking forward is a waste(hope), but I just can't seem to shed what I perceive to be the foundation of my physical wealth and stability) to the day that I can put my "day job" behind me and move on to a career that will feel much like experiencing the unfolding of this thread, my dreams, personal life and meditation.

Here's to an exciting 2013, indeed.

Quoting: Jesse Sovoda

For once, I can safely say that 'Malaysia' was entirely coincidental :)

About your work.. just keep in mind that there are two ways to think of money. As a real object that you need to trade for your time (like a factory worker), and as an abstract concept that is unlocked with ideas (like an author).

Quoting: Chaol

Thank you.

Consider the possibility that you order yourself into being from chaos... You do this, always, in all ways. This "ordering" has resulted in the possibilities you're experiencing, here, now. In each experience you've ever had, more and more of "this" reality is generated logically from your previous experience. Your observation of this unfolding of order and chaos is reality.

Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

Chaol,

Can we please move on to some advanced uses of genius, ecsys, visualization, etc. Thank you.

Not-Chaol

Quoting: Not-Chaol 5877556

Certainly.

What do you think the next sub-topic of discussion should be about, specifically?

For my next magic trick I will try to pull the Chaol out of not-Chaol. So that we can see how we are each within one-another, starting with not-Chaol.

Quoting: Chaol

I would like to understand how to use visualization to play golf shots that result in a desired outcome. You mentioned that when you use your version of visualization the outcome is more or less guaranteed. I think that using this example could be easily transferred over for similar experiences by the other forum participants. Thanks.

Not-Chaol

Quoting: Not-Chaol 5877556

Look around you. How are you perceiving what you are?

Is that not also guaranteed? Is it not real?

The first question would be, "Where do my perceptions come from?". Something we've all ready covered.

The more practical question would then be, "How do we perceive whatever we want to perceive?"

That is a loaded question, but I would only suggest that "want" is irrelevant. We do not perceive what we want to perceive. As the Genius holds, we perceive.. that which is (blah blah.. you get the idea)

[The remainder of this post will do without quotation marks. What I am illustrating is approximate.]

For me, I create representations of what I want. If I wanted a vanilla ice cream cone then I would create an equation, in Ec, that for me represents the environment around what I want. Vanilla ice cream cone would be the missing element and it would be experienced in my perspective. (It does not magically appear in my hand but it could easily appear in the drawer next to me, cold as ice. My brain would then make up a story as to how it's logical. We do this all the time and everything makes perfect sense. Perhaps you've experienced this while dreaming.)

My brain would fill in the blanks of what is missing.

...because my brain has learned to see Ec representations the same as the real thing.

You can use Ec or something else. You need only represent. It is the same as the entire universe is doing right now. And you have the ability to do it also with just your mind. (Or anything else you want to use.)

So you simply have to find a way to make your brain see the representation as the real thing. Are you looking at words now? Are you even looking at letters? When you talk on the phone are you hearing that person's voice? When you look at something are you seeing it directly or your brain's interpretation of it? Representations, all. Your brain sees these as real because it has learned how to work with them. It knows nothing else.

So what I am doing is first jumping off of a building and then creating a framework for perception that my brain, by necessity, has to adhere to. It is exactly how you push yourself into the next moment.

How often do you see glitches in the matrix? If your brain would allow, you would see them all the time. But you are able to walk on the street even though it has just experienced a quantum fluctuation and did not exist for the past 20 minutes because your brain saw a gap and filled it.

It sees gaps in whatever you're looking at and fills those too. It sees gaps in your experience and fills it, without your conscious mind knowing about it.

The reality is not about the physical things. Those are not real. They are simply values in perspective, like anything else.

By creating representations you are not fooling your mind or anything because it is how reality is created. [I'm still doing without quotation marks here.] Everything is a representation. Should I jump off of a 20-story building I do not fool my brain into thinking that it is only 4 feet tall any more than it fools me into thinking that the building was there in the first place! Again, representations all. We work with nothing more or less than representations.

When you create a representation for your dream house your representation is as real as the house. The house itself is an other representation.

You already work with representations to create your reality and perceive whatever it is that you perceive.

In a way building your life is like building your vocabulary.

Tweaking your life to fit your desires is like improving your grammar.

And learning how reality works is like learning a new language.

By the time you're 20 years old you have all ready learned thousands (perhaps millions) of languages. Some are more fundamental than others. But all are collections of representations that are manipulated so that you can interact with additional representations, ad infinitum.

Why does customer mean something specific to you but usectmro does not? It could very well have been that usectmro was what you used, instead. They're both meaningless representations. The difference is that you have given meaning to one and not the other.

In a similar way, why would accidentally cutting your finger with a knife mean something to you but wrapping your arm with giftstead does not? They're both meaningless.

And you work with meaning (values) to create your reality.

But, unfortunately, I am unable to properly respond to your query about visualization. I don't really know what your meaning entails. However, it seems to be missing the remainder of experience.

In your experience now is so much more than the visual aspect. One kind of sense is no more valid than any other. We place a lot of emphasis on what we see but of course we need more than that to create a complete picture of experience.

But, again, I am not too sure of what your definition of visualization is.

Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

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Whatever you are doing now you are doing it both worlds.

You interpret it in one way in one world, and an other way in an other world.

As you write it down in your dream you are also writing it down in your waking world (however, this would probably be translated different in your waking world. Perhaps you'd take a boat ride and have a revelation whilst looking at the sheets of waves).

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There are multiple such instances.

Even one would be a world-changing feat. But it may take some time to let it sink in.

Quoting: Chaol

Can write a genius or a word to help it sink in faster?

Quoting: Unit3

Sure. Come up with a word with a meaning of "shared dreaming" and use it.

Quoting: Chaol

And the sentence I use it in does not have to extend the meaning of the word? Correct?

I chose LatKet for my word but I could say, Hey look, it's LatKet outside.

And, are the words around the made up word considered interaction? Iow, is this a condensed Genius so to speak?

Quoting: Unit3

Perhaps it's better to make it a word like any other. For example, "latket".

Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

Okay, well starting 10/18/12, I started doing things such as reading about romantic beach getaways, subscribing to travel agencies and things like that.

Some time after that, I learned how to make a Genius. I know for sure I had my Genius by Nov. 17 because I connected it to the Nov. 17 nexus. I worked it that day (a lot) plus I have worked it weekly since I made it.

Then, a couple of days ago I changed it from "flowers from true love" to "receive flowers." What do you suggest I do now?

Here's the Genius if you want to look at it, (scroll down a bit). It might give you a better idea because I mark it under certain conditions:

Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

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Unit. Use the word in context. it's no different than pretending that the word "cat" is an accurate representation for the furry little animate creature, or that the thing you drive in is actually a "car".

Not-Chaol

Quoting: Not-Chaol 5877556

To me, you just described that it doesn't need to be used in context!

Quoting: Unit3

Then I did not do a very good job explaining. When you are referring to the thing you call a "cat" you are using it in context. You don't call it a couch, stap, or a stronk. It is not in fact a "cat". The word "cat" is a representation for what that thing is which is far too complex to possibly comprehend in full.

Not-Chaol

Quoting: Not-Chaol 5877556

Got it now! Thanks. This could get complicated since I have 2 words I'm wanting to use.

Quoting: Unit3

The number of words is not a problem, as long as you don't confuse them.

Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

I would like to understand how to use visualization to play golf shots that result in a desired outcome. You mentioned that when you use your version of visualization the outcome is more or less guaranteed. I think that using this example could be easily transferred over for similar experiences by the other forum participants. Thanks.

Not-Chaol

Quoting: Not-Chaol 5877556

Following on...

Why might you hear a sound but someone else does not hear it?

Why might a black box on the floor appear as a laptop to you but a black object to a newborn baby?

Our perceptions 'act' in accordance with the value we have given them.

The aspects of our reality interact with us the same as we interact with them.

If you see a black box, it will function as a black box in your reality (until your new perspective).

If you see a laptop, it will function as a laptop in your reality (until your new perspective).

You can use either.

Take what you perceive all ready and interact with it differently for a different perception.