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Not to mention the countless times edwards backpedalled to the prior question, after getting burned by Cheney, when the new question was already addressed. I can't believe the moderator let him do that.

Dick Cheney is the F-in man. Say what you want about the chimp, he biggest strength is picking strong people around him. Look at Powell, Rice, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Wolfowitz and Rove. The President surrounds himself with intelligent and strong willed people. He didn't pick Cheney for politically popular reasons, he was picked for his character and judgement.

Ask anyone that owns their own business, they will tell you that the strength of their organization is only as good as the strength of the people they surround themselves with. George Bush is a great judge of character.

As I said in the other thread, after seeing all 4 candidates in action in these debates, I am glad that Dick Cheney is our President!

Quote:The 200 billion war cost, yeah, but the whole BS about Iraqi deaths being counted in the COALITION tally, that's fucking weak

yes it was, very weak.

Cheney 1Gay cowboy 0

I say we have a debate between the 1st ladies.

I saw it like this, Cheney thought he was zinging Edwards by basically saying, "Look we're getting those dumb fucks to die FOR us while we're invading their country and stealing their oil". Way to go Dick.

Quote:The 200 billion war cost, yeah, but the whole BS about Iraqi deaths being counted in the COALITION tally, that's fucking weak

yes it was, very weak.

I don't think it was weak at all. It is a salient point that constantly gets ignored by the main stream media. Iraq is not just one of our allies in this war, they are the most important piece of the puzzle.

In his 1971 traitorous testimony, John Kerry derided the South Vietnamese for not helping us in the war. It was a common theme for the left, even though more South Vietnamese fighters were killed in action than US soliders in every single year of the conflict. It would behove us not to make the same mistake twice. We need to stop playing politics and acknowledge the efforts of the Iraqi people. They are fighting and dying for liberty and freedom. Those people are patriots, and their numbers have become to big to ignore. Unless you are on the left that is.

An estimate in the Wall Street Journal claimed the Iraqis have at least 750 uniformed combat deaths, and that is not counting the people that have been blown up while standing in line to join the effort.

100,000 Iraqi police and soldiers have been trained in addition to the 74,000 who are already guarding the pipelines.

Those numbers underscore the importance of Prime Minister Allawi, who was recently denounced as a puppet by the Kerry regime. The man is risking his life for the liberation of his people, and that should not be taken lightly. The only viable long term solution is not the Germans or the French, but for the Iraqis themselves to take back their own country. We are helping them to do just that, and it is in the process of happening right now. Undermining the Allawi administration in Iraq is the most reprehensible thing that has happened in this campaign.

Don't discount our allies. I am proud of the participation of the Brits, Poles, Aussies and the 26 other nations that have joined us to liberate Iraq. But I am more encouraged by the Iraqi people themselves. We are not alone.

Quote:TaoTeChing said:the point is that if FOX came out with such a poll, its more believable. normally they seem to come out with polls with a larger-than-average (relative to other polls) lead for bush.

This is my favorite response. Basically what you are saying is you pick and choose what you want to listen to. You only give FOX credible feedback when they say something you agree with, otherwise they are a non-credible source. That is the most ignorant crap I have ever seen. Either FOX is a credible source or it isnt. If FOX says that Edwards won the debate then Kerry MUST be gay.

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There is not a lot of difference between a fox hole and a grave; but knowing that you dug your ditch and climbed in anyway.

Don't make the mistake that I think our service men are fighting an unjust was, I am fully in support of fufilling our obligations per resolution 1441, however to compare the coalition to the one in 1991 is not accurate. This is where the gay frat boy had it right. Yes we had 30 countries but with only 160,000 est. troops. We had upwards of 500,000 in 1991. I was one of them.

Quote: Don't discount our allies. I am proud of the participation of the Brits, Poles, Aussies and the 26 other nations that have joined us to liberate Iraq. But I am more encouraged by the Iraqi people themselves. We are not alone.

As am I. I would like the Iraqi army to take more of a leaderhip role but I can understand it if they are a bit gun shy at the moment.

I'm coming down on the comparison, not the allies that are with us, for that I am truley honored and they have my respect.

Quote:Innvertigo said:I would like the Iraqi army to take more of a leaderhip role but I can understand it if they are a bit gun shy at the moment.

I think the reason why they cannot take control of their country right now is because they are fearful. This is a civilization that has been ruled by a vicious dictator. Now they see the beheadings. There are actual beheading videos being sold in Iraq right now. When you have been raised on fear you tend to hesitate more when the gun is pointed at you. These people cannot stand up to the rebel groups yet. They need more training both mentally and physically and I think we are the ones that need to train them. We are a world power, one of the largest, and although I disagree with most over seas affairs, we MUST help out other places in the world. We needed that help too during the revolutionary war. Infact, if it wasnt for the naval skills of the French we might be sipping tea at noon right now. My point being, they cannot take control yet because they fear that if they do they might end up on the internet or television headless.

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There is not a lot of difference between a fox hole and a grave; but knowing that you dug your ditch and climbed in anyway.