This must be why I can’t ever feel like the legs are adding any power whatsoever. I’ve never had that feeling of the lower body increasing power in any way. Or is it that you don’t generate more power with the lower body it’s just quicker shifting and longer swing?

I think it's a death move turning your arm/disc upside down in the backswing, this causes too much slack and everything to collapse in your arm/s, and your rear arm is mirroring your front arm collapsing/failing behind your back like wet noodle. You want both of your palms/forearms to be facing your body/chest or even upward and supinating/externally rotating humerus in the backswing which "locks/loads" the shoulder/humerus from collapsing in transition.

For clarification, what about GG? Is that OK because he actually is supinating/externally rotating shoulder relative to where he starts - dangle position - to externally rotating during the backswing?

Paige is easier to spot the external rotation during backswing than those two:

Wiggins is interesting, he almost looks like he punches out (supinates with extension wrist extension) then pulls in: [EDIT: I'm copying and posting a bunch of gifs because I'm too dumb to figure out how to just paste wiggins gif]

This must be why I can’t ever feel like the legs are adding any power whatsoever. I’ve never had that feeling of the lower body increasing power in any way. Or is it that you don’t generate more power with the lower body it’s just quicker shifting and longer swing?

First pay attention to what SW said above and watch vids. Don't let yourself get outside of posture and stew on this: "Shifting one direction should cause rotation in the opposite direction"

What helped me feel the legs started with the "flat swing plane does not exist" video and that whole thread but also these: 1st watch this video:

USE THE GROUND AS LEVERAGE (Very applicable to above from SW)

When you do the doorframe drill above do you feel like you are leveraging into the ground with your rear foot during the backswing? As you drive into ground with backswing on rear foot your rear cheek should move forward/targetward (Note: "Shifting one direction should cause rotation in the opposite direction").

Then your next move is NOT to reach with the front foot but simply to catch yourself or brace up on the front foot/leg and pump your swing from there.

SO WINDMILL DRILL:

You're leveraging off the ground and pumping off of it - that's how you feel the power of the legs.

I do feel it in doorframe drill for sure. I think I was fixated on getting balanced on the rear leg and letting the swing pull me up away and actually ending up too much outside my posture. Makes sense because I couldn’t feel much/any torque being built in my hips in the backswing.

Note: "Shifting one direction should cause rotation in the opposite direction").

That to me sounds like as I’m shifting into the rear leg I should be rotating for my forward swing which doesn’t make sense, surely as I shift to the rear leg I should be rotating into my backswing? Or is that where my timing issues are stemming from?

Interesting about the disc position I will adjust that and see what happens. I never truly u derstood what you guys meant by supinate/pronate the disc during backswing, I just did what felt natural (which could just be 3 years of muscle memory mind you)

I think I understand what needs to happen with the rear arm now, keeping it inside is helping everything stay together more as a unit, and then swim
Away countering the extension?

Note: "Shifting one direction should cause rotation in the opposite direction").

That to me sounds like as I’m shifting into the rear leg I should be rotating for my forward swing which doesn’t make sense, surely as I shift to the rear leg I should be rotating into my backswing? Or is that where my timing issues are stemming from?

As you shift to the rear leg, your left butt cheek goes forward/targetward, that's the rotation in the opposite direction. Then as you shift to the front leg, your front/right cheek is going to go back. Bounce back and forth like SW was doing with pool cue in between legs few posts back. You "reach back" as your left cheek goes forward...this is the equal and opposite" thing that's referenced above in windmill and several of SW's videos, see doorframe vids.

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Originally Posted by deyo7

As you drive into ground with backswing on rear foot your rear cheek should move forward/targetward (Note: "Shifting one direction should cause rotation in the opposite direction").

For clarification, what about GG? Is that OK because he actually is supinating/externally rotating shoulder relative to where he starts - dangle position - to externally rotating during the backswing?

When you hold the humerus/elbow up in the backswing like GG, it locks the shoulder socket and you can pronate or supinate the forearm without the humerus rotating or collapsing.

When I do a pendulum backswing I feel like I have to keep supinating and externally rotating to keep the shoulder from collapsing and maintain a wide backswing going away from body at the top/transition. I also feel like I'm pushing/bowling the disc into the backswing and lofting the disc up to the top of the backswing.

When I try do a pendulum like parbbq with the arm pronated and internally rotated I feel a lot of slack in my shoulder and it just wants to collapse around behind my body hugging myself. I also feel like I'm pulling the disc in the backswing and then the disc is pulling my arm down at the top instead of levitating.

Thanks for the discussion guys and for that video Hub, appreciate it and everyone’s saint like patience!

Just for clarification; I’m starting the backswing with a shift to the back leg/hip which causes me to rotate -> that rotation is sending my buttcheek target ward - this is when I shift to the front from behind leveraged off my instep and then everything uncoils targetward braced on the instep with force going into the ground.

But it’s all one fluid motion. It’s light enough for ab after work field sesh so I’m going to try this new backswing and film some windmill!