Tuesday, September 2, 2014

Showdown in Juddi, Part 1

Important news from the front: The New Order scored a big win in the Juddi system!

The dashing Agent Kalorned launched a daring forray into an asteroid belt, where he came upon an unlicensed Mackinaw. The pilot in question, The Roak, was able to prove that he was not AFK. This was a good sign, since miners are much more likely to pay their dues if they're at the keyboard.

But it's not good enough to be at your keyboard when an Agent asks you a question. You need to remain at your keyboard for the full length of the conversation. Compounding his rudeness with a Code violation, The Roak went silent immediately after being asked to purchase a permit. His remarkably fail-fit Mackinaw was bound to die. (Yes, that is a Tracking Enhancer in the lowslot.)

Death was just the incentive The Roak needed to return to his keyboard. Though podded, he remained in the same system.

Perhaps laying the groundwork for a reimbursement claim, The Roak exaggerated his loss. The implants were worth only one billion isk. And to be honest, as a miner, he really didn't need most of those anyway. You'd think he would know better after spending more than five years mining in highsec.

Half a decade is plenty of time to pick up a few bad habits and pieces of misinformation. Somewhere down the line, The Roak got the impression that Juddi was a free system. (Or more precisely, a "fucking free system".)

As the Agent on the spot, it was up to Kalorned to share the good news. Juddi was better than free--it was a New Order system. Now The Roak would have the chance to follow a set of rules, rather than sitting around mining all day with no idea what to do.

Kalorned knew well what the pre-Order gankers did not: Winning the peace is much more difficult than winning the war. Kalorned earned his stripes as an elite PvP'er with his ingenious use of Catalyst alts in the Battle of Juddi. The winning of the battle was brilliant; Kalorned accomplished his mission to remove The Roak's Mackinaw from the asteroid belt. Now what?

Introducing the Code had the desired effect. The Roak was somewhat pacified. However, The Roak did not yet accept responsibility for starting the war. He gave a bunch of excuses for not responding, claiming that he'd been busy looking up Kalorned's profile.

Kalorned is the CEO and sole member of Psychedelic Llamas, a corporation loyal to the New Order. If The Roak really did spend his time looking up Kalorned's info, he should've immediately recognized that Kalorned was trustworthy.

The Roak disputed Kalorned's official report of the circumstances surrounding the gank. The Roak believed he was given only 2 seconds to reply after the permit request, while Kalorned estimated it was closer to 2 minutes.

Kalorned reviewed the timestamp evidence. It confirmed he had been well within his rights to call in the airstrike. It wasn't even close; it was a slam-dunk. Would The Roak admit his guilt?

In fact, the carebear's mental state began to deteriorate. It was a symptom Kalorned knew well and recognized immediately: The Roak was rejecting the Code. Things could go either way. The next few minutes would be critical for the Juddi system.

Don't you get it you idiots? I'm the only sane man in eve, yadda yadda, graduated summa cum laude from space-harvard, and as an accredited space lawyer I can confidently say that yadda yadda, you idiots.

The New Order was totally cool and awesome as long as it didn't infringe on my personal carebearing, yadda yadda, I'ma go cry to ccp some more so they'll protect my "print isk with no risk" button (F1). Anything else is a broken game mechanic. Yadda.

You are welcome to try to gank me. I have more pvp skills in my pinky than you do in the whole New Order. Wardec me too, I don't care. I have powerful friends and we will crush you all. I will never buy a permit. Furthermore, I am beginiing ro raise a huge army of rebels to crush you all. Soon, James will be paying ME to fly in MY space. hahaha

No..the real Veers will never fight a war. He drops his corp the minute he gets deced and reforms it seconds later. The real Veers is a coward afraid of emergent game play Eve so readily offers. The real Veers will never step up to the and earn the esteem he so holds himself to in his delusional mind. The real Veers is a Star Wars character that actually had the balls to stand for what he believed...so Veers, either balls up, or shut up.

You wouldn't even pvp against a 315 miner. So what does that make you? Yep a loud mouth, whos got a yellow streak.Do the EVE community a favour, go join WoW, leave EVE and increase the overall IQ of EVE.Let everyone else have fun. That's what's EVE is about.

Then lets make it interesting, we pvp 1v1. the loser has ccp lock the account, so it cant be used again.Then again I forgot, your yellow, so will not take the challenge up.And for an attorney, you can kiss my A@@. My rl 5 year olds got more grey matterAnd if you think I have defamed your you, sue me.

It would not be a fair fight against a miner....I suggest you stop mining and take up mission running. And bro, you don't have enough credibility to defame me. As James put it:

I will gladly fight a duel with anyone, any time, anywhere. It doesn't matter what ship you bring; I will always win. Of course, it's a waste of my time unless I am fighting a worthy opponent. To demonstrate your honour, you must pass one of the following three tests...inter alia....Test of Wisdom. Correctly answer the Supreme Protector's Questions Three. Each question must be answered within 20 seconds. The Questions Three will be different for each miner each day. Note that invoking the 24 hour mining pass provision of the Code is distinct from invoking the Test of Wisdom.

Since as a miner you have no hope of answering the three questions we can just declare the test over - failed. ggwp.

This will be the last time, I waste my breath on replying to you. Your just a troll, a james wannabe.End of the day you will never lace the Boots of James 315, his agents, or the likes of Erotica 1. They are what brings life to eve, and its game play. And you will never replace the ideas of what they hold to their hearts for the future of HS, and the game in general.

Oh dear, a miner does not approve of my gameplay. I am truly shattered and heartbroken. Someday i will be as a good as you at staring at rocks and pressing F1 once an hour. Keep up the good work, scrub.

I write paragraphs of text that nobody reads even though I am a real life space lawyer and want my precious pve activities protected from thugs like CODE. I have my partner in my law firm right now preparing cease and desist papers that will be lodged against CCP. I am also filing charges against James 315 for being an alt of the mittani who is an alt of goon members who then is an alt of all goons and goons are alts of code members who are alts of anonymous posters on this blog who are in fact more Veers Belvar, it's a conspiracy I tell you.

Veers Belver my brother never said he didn't agree with your game play. If you want to do incursions all day long, we have no problems with that.But do not think that miners cant do other stuff in eve. We manic miners, have learned to be miners yes, but are also veterans of living in wh space, pve lv4 runners. And many other aspects to eve. Including the skill of ganking via the New Order.So why don't you take the offer of the youngest toon in 315 miners to pvp? Like my brother said the winner takes it all, the one that losses , ccp locks the account.And if you still want to spout on about your not prepared to fight an unworthy miner, lets have ccp decide if they are happy for a pvp to take place, with the account of the loser to be locked. I am happy to propose to ccp that it takes place. So lets get it on, or have the EVE universe know what colour you are. ( Me and the manic miners think that colours YELLOW)

I appreciate the offer, but as someone on par with James 315 I simply cannot demean myself to accept 1v1 combat with miners (or anyone else) without them passing the 3 part test of knowledge, which is essentially impossible for anyone other than James and myself.

I can not PVP so therefore I will not accept challenges even from 1 day old characters.

I can only incursion run which is the only form of combat I will ever experience in Eve, however I am happy to tell others how to play the game as I am an experienced lawyer who takes time out of his busy day to discuss internet spaceships and things that upset me in a game about internet spaceships blowing up other internet spaceships.

As a prominent Real-Life, Totally For Real Spaceship Lawyer, I object to your use of my name (I'm the real Veers Belvar), and to your use of the term "emotional abuse". In fact, I consider your theft of my name and trademark accusation to be, themselves, emotional abuse, and am filing papers with CONCORD right now to get your ships and clones impounded. I'll resell the ships, but your clones...I'll finally have an appreciative, literally-captive audience! My dreams have come true!

I am a lawyer in real life and a believe I can shut down all the things in eve I don't like because even though I am only a few months old in game I am a lawyer in real life and this game should change because I disagree with it..

"As far as CODE being a "business" that is really laughable. They get 400 billion isk in investment (with no business plan), and decide to use the money to blow up ships and cause tears. They often do this at a significant loss. In fact, they have already lost hundreds of billions of isk in the process, and have no hope of EVER recovering the funds expended, or of EVER really turning a meaningful profit. Their business would be similar to the following: Start a company dedicated to smashing up cars unless each car gives you 3 cents per year. Raise $300 million, use it buy $300 million of hammers. Have people throw the hammers against any cars that wont pay the 3 cents - oh and the guys smashing the cars get to keep the 3 cents. So the company literally has no income except for asking for yet more "investment."

It's like calling Burn Jita a "business." Businesses don't operate at a loss without any hope of ever turning a profit - they just shut down. What it is really about, as can be seen from CODE bios and from their website is "tear collection." It's about blowing up people's ships to make them angry, humiliating them, and then posting the ensuing "hilarity" to the CODE website where it can entertain immature people who derive pleasure from inflicting pain and misery and others. Which is exactly what CODE supporter, and noted isk doubler, Erotica 1 did prior to CCP taking action against him for humiliating people. It's not a business, it's all about tears, pain, and twisted sadism, which is exactly why they blow up empty ships to make people cry, as the OP so ably noted. They have the right to do this in Eve (against my better judgement), but it doesn't mean that CCP should not adjust the game mechanics to make it more painful for the CODE folks to operate at -10 security status and farm tears."

Any business owner would be envious. The employees don't ask the company for any wages, but earn on their own via permit sales. The company provides a generous ship replacement service for actions during company approved activities. This SRP is funded by shareholders with zero accounting waste. Oh yes, and profit. The company profits via loot drops and salvage, which it rolls back into the business.

The New Order is a growth company still.

And you clearly don't know Erotica 1. He is an angel and very good for Eve. He would have been one of the best CSM members.

Let's play devil's advocate here; the Code by itself doesn't seem sufficient to understand the New Order's ideals. I, myself, had read the Code many times over and although I could agree that being AFK in highsec wasn't a great thing outside of a station/POS, I didn't fully realize what the New Order was up to. With just the Code to go by, it made me wonder why the Order was so hell bent on ganking freighters. They're not miners. Sure, they're sometimes autopiloting but what about the afk ISboxers out there? Aren't they more harmful?

Then I read the manifesto that James 315 set out, as well as that recently linked thread; and although I won't say I fully agree with everything that the New Order does or all of James' points I did get to see that many Carebears are not only not interested in PvPing - which is fine - but they're advocating a position completely opposite to what the game is supposed to be. I started playing this game because my normal job doesn't let me think much. It's mindless. A game described as being so complicated it can drive you insane was appealing to me. What CODE. and it's allies do isn't so terribly bad and gamebreaking; in fact, putting a little bit of thought and time in to things, I've effectively found a counter to most of their known tactics (though CODE. has shown a willingness to adapt when the need arises, but that's the game for you). Rather than running around going "CCPlease Nerf!" I've figured out how to protect my ships from highsec ganks (yes, even the "We'll bump you for 15 minutes until our timers run out to have a second go at you" idea that Veers hates. It's stupid simple to make sure you're not there for the second pass). Many of CODE's critics, though, would rather run to CCP and ask for nerfs; this is not illustrated in the Code itself, and thus the scope of the problem is not apparent from just reading the Code.

As such it may be helpful to provide more prominent links to WHY the New Order does what it does. The Code is good; but I do not believe that it is adequate at explaining the New Order's motivations.

Just so I'm clear, it's entirely possible to save your pod if you know what you're doing, right? You're a dirty non compliant miner, but you're at least at your keyboard. You see your ship starting to die. If you select a station in the overview and spam the warp button, your pod should warp off to safety once you pop?

Yes, though generally you don't want to warp to a station as there can be a delay between hitting the station and docking. Usually the best idea is to warp to a celestial and bounce off of it to an instadock at the station. This is also true for the ganker, with the added note that they'll need to burn off their one minute aggression timer before they're allowed to dock (when you PvP a lot you get used to having to do that, unless you're in nullsec in which case you get used to popping out your implants before you die because your ship is exploding in a bubble and thus your pod isn't going to get out)

I was going to comment, but after reading everyone of the comments on this thread... yeah, I got nothing. To bizarre for me. Schizophrenics... you never really know who you are talking too from one second to the next.

As an upstanding member of the AntiGanking community I would like to say that we know that eve would be a better place without people like Code and the alts they have in Goonswarm and the CFC.

Colonel I am an internet lawyer who specializes in these kinds of things with the case's I deal with in real life on a regular basis that give me enough time to post every minute on the minerbumping blog.

If only someone would actually listen to me and my ideas I would not have to wet my pillow with the liquid pride that falls from my eyes every night when I lie in bed dreaming about what I could have been in eve. Now I just get to watch other people do things in eve while I will slowly whittle away into nothing and will always be remembered as the carebear that was all talk with nothing to back it up.

Poor Veers.. all you seem to care about is money. Money.. income... profits.. the bottom line.That isn't what the Code is about at all. The Code is about love, kindness and compassion. We care about Hisec. Hisec is worth fighting for.I don't gank to make ISK. I gank because I care. I gank out of respect for all Eve players.

Eve isn't a PvP game, it's a tycoon simulator, nearly everything in Eve is all about the ISK. Including most of the so-called PvP. The self-proclaimed "elite PvPers" aren't PvPers, they're gank farmers who measure their worth in ISK. It's not about who you killed, what he was flying or how good he was, it's all about the ISK value in the kill-mail. Just another farmer.

Well, which is it.... tycoon simulator or farming? I would wager that all in Eve is about RISK. Lazy people mine and in an attempt to make ISK the safe way AKA the boring way. Then there are those who wish a more direct conflict but not only for profit, but also for the tears and excitement. When ever you are in conflict with another player, it IS PvP (Player versus player). It works, since there are predators and prey. Prey grazes lazily to fill it's stomach, while the predator.... well.. you know :)

Hey! He got me too! Makes me feel better about it. Hahaha. He was quick! It's hard to snag a pod like that. Well done, him.

You do have a strange definition of ass-kicking, though. A couple pods here and there are not quite on the same level as the fish-fry DJ led us on that day. I was around for 5 orcas and a few other assorted barges that day. Well worth a 300-400m isk pod if you ask me.

How can you have some pride in killing a simple miner? (Even with the stupid fit and implants)Some people need to see;1. you need miners (not my game but someone needs to mine that shit) 2. eve player-base is dwindling as it is with out this "real order" crap.

Just let players play the game as they want and stop being a bulling cunt.

How.... unoriginal arguments. I take pride in any kill, why would I be ashamed of them? That would make no sense.

1. The game may need miners, but none of those multibottin AFK miners. What was your point again?2.Maybe after we bring some excitement to the game, we could get some quality players. Nobody want's this game to be like a second job.

As a proud miner I can tell You Guys that I like mining and reprocessing ore selling it or store to make cool ships and stuf. And I'm not afraid of Code gankers cuz I'll never tried afk mining cuz THIS GAME IS BEAUTIFUL. All that nebulas, planets, giant rocks, ships of any kind and all that things you can do in Eve. So I really don't understand ppl who claim that mining is boring or ratting or mission runing and only pvp is cool. Maybe because I'm new here and most of You are "oldtimer's"? And for ppl who afk mine, fly, kill rats etc. Well why you subscribe if the game is boring to you? I wouldn't.