Oh come now. You MUST remember when the PS3 combined its early figures with the PS2!

They are always looking to put the most positive spin on numbers to lessen any impact to their share price.

In short though - the PS4 rocks, the X1 is doing better than I expected if I'm honest, and both are doing well in real terms (irrespective of who is out in front). The PS4 will win this gen, hands down, but I'm beginning to think the X1 will still do well.

Oh come now. You MUST remember when the PS3 combined its early figures with the PS2!

They are always looking to put the most positive spin on numbers to lessen any impact to their share price.

In short though - the PS4 rocks, the X1 is doing better than I expected if I'm honest, and both are doing well in real terms (irrespective of who is out in front). The PS4 will win this gen, hands down, but I'm beginning to think the X1 will still do well.

This.. This.. This..
Except maybe...
Wasn't it right before discontinuing production the ps2 that sony combined sales? I think you may be getting confused with PSP/Vita sales combined?

But you did though. When you said and I quote "If you say so", we both know that you meant that sarcastically. If you have enough knowledge of the state of counsel sales in North America that you can sarcastically state that you doubt his answer then you should stand by your statement and not back track when called on it. Maybe keeping quiet on things you have no knowledge on would be best in the future.

MS's gains had sweet FA to do with Sony's supply constraint. Suggesting it tightened up simply because Sony was supply constrained is bollocks, Sony shifted more units than last month,, but the gap closed, "because of supply constraint"..

MS's gains had sweet FA to do with Sony's supply constraint. Suggesting it tightened up simply because Sony was supply constrained is bollocks, Sony shifted more units than last month,, but the gap closed, "because of supply constraint"..

Bollocks.

There's two side to this coin ya know.

MS' gains had nothing to do with PS4 supply, obviously. But PS4 would have sold more units if the supply was there. That is certain.

Of course a company will spin things, it is called being strategic with your delivery. Making your company look strong is always mission number 1. It wouldn't be smart business to instantly agree that you are being outsold.

Of course a company will and spin things, it is called being strategic with your delivery. Making your company look strong is always mission number 1. It wouldn't be smart business to instantly agree that you are being outsold.

Exactly. PR folks doing what they do. Spin anything and everything into a positive.

what's funny is that i don't remember sony ever spinning it into WW numbers...they didn't milk it at least from what i remember. you'd think they were smart enough to do that. they had a horrible marketing team back then. we all felt like PS3 was doing horrible when it was just doing horrible in the US. it wasn't until 2010 or so when i realized that PS3 had been outselling the 360 overall.

MS's gains had sweet FA to do with Sony's supply constraint. Suggesting it tightened up simply because Sony was supply constrained is bollocks, Sony shifted more units than last month,, but the gap closed, "because of supply constraint"..

Bollocks.

There's two side to this coin ya know.

Here's something for you then, going to bet that retail finally sold through all the Xbox 1's that MS over shipped during the holiday season when they over estimated demand and MS could finally ship some more to retail. Pretty sure this is probably where most of MS's gains came from

Here's something for you then, going to bet that retail finally sold through all the Xbox 1's that MS over shipped during the holiday season when they over estimated demand and MS could finally ship some more to retail. Pretty sure this is probably where most of MS's gains came from

That could be true, but we have no way of really knowing. Just like we have no real way of knowing the other-side of the coin.

Guess thats one way to spin getting outsold again in your strongest territory.

The US is the only "swing voter" territory this gen. Gotta give credit where credit is due, though. MS has successfully shaken off some of the "total albatross of a system" stigma they had back at E3 aand are putting up a fight so far.

PS4, on the other hand, isn't really in a position to capitalize big time on system seller titles. Their supply chain is maxed out, so even if Infamous is a 10/10 or MGSV GZ is a barn stormer, Sony is going to sell 280-290k systems this March and that's just how it's going to be. Granted, they will probably be able to prolong this sell-out streak they have with hard hitting titles.

The US is the only "swing voter" territory this gen. Gotta give credit where credit is due, though. MS has successfully shaken off some of the "total albatross of a system" stigma they had back at E3 aand are putting up a fight so far.

PS4, on the other hand, isn't really in a position to capitalize big time on system seller titles. Their supply chain is maxed out, so even if Infamous is a 10/10 or MGSV GZ is a barn stormer, Sony is going to sell 280-290k systems this March and that's just how it's going to be. Granted, they will probably be able to prolong this sell-out streak they have with hard hitting titles.

I don't see much, till september at least. This is nothing with titles, people buy ps4's because it is new&sexy and get sick of loading times of ps3.

15 gorgeous hours with South Park:SoT make me less inclined to feel that way.
I might start to feel that way when Batman hits.
Untill, then I have a plethora of back log games, Watch Dogs, Ground Zero, Destiny,as well as Wolfenstein to look forward to.

I see two systems with no titles for some while, why people buy either is beyond me.
I really don't feel I'm missing out on anything by not having either of these systems.

I totally agree. Hell, between GTA, Diablo 3, Titalfall (maybe), Watch Dogs and AC: Black Flag, I'll be busy for a while. And from what I've read, the 360 version of Titalfall is stable with minimal framerate dips.

I know that getting the newest console at or close to launch is the cool thing to do, but when I finally do pull the trigger I'll save around $100 on the hardware and be able to get a ton of great games at a steep discount (read used).

I totally agree. Hell, between GTA, Diablo 3, Titalfall (maybe), Watch Dogs and AC: Black Flag, I'll be busy for a while. And from what I've read, the 360 version of Titalfall is stable with minimal framerate dips.

I know that getting the newest console at or close to launch is the cool thing to do, but when I finally do pull the trigger I'll save around $100 on the hardware and be able to get a ton of great games at a steep discount (read used).

You have officially confused the hell out of me.

You say there's nothing worth buying this year and that you'll be buying the cross gen games on last gen consoles. Then you say you are waiting for a price cut and will be picking up great games at a steep discount.

What are these great games you speak of? The only games with a steep discount in 2015 will be titles from 2014. And 2014 titles aren't worth purchasing a next gen console according to what you stated.

I see two systems with no titles for some while, why people buy either is beyond me.
I really don't feel I'm missing out on anything by not having either of these systems.

can only but say that i'm glad i got mine. obviously if and when you do get one of these systems you will be able to play the many "no titles" that I'm playing now and the likes of Killzone make me wish i'd jumped in sooner with PS4.

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