Feel much the same but ref differences, there were quite a few between all the groups that came together to form the NF which is why almost as soon as it was formed, there was a split BUT in the main differences were put aside although it was fractious unity that led to shcisms and breakaways but most people realised Nationalism will only make headway with one main organisation.

but most people realised Nationalism will only make headway with one main organisation.

It is all or nothing to achieve any victory's against our enemy and give any hope to our people.

The video earlier shows what is probably the best speech that Adam Walker has made. The final point that he made about adapting in order to survive is a very valid one, however it is a pity that the BNP does not know which way to adapt in order to capitalise on our current situation as a nation.

Adam Walker spoke at length about the changes the BNP would introduce once in government in order to solve the problems associated with immigration, Islamisation and British cultural decline, but the issue of how to gain political power was not addressed.

Walker congratulated one activist on his timely distribution of anti-terrorism leaflets following the Paris attacks, but did not demonstrate how the distribution of leaflets, something the BNP has been doing for decades was going to secure political power. Therefore in the absence of any path to power, the bulk of Adam Walker's speech was nothing but pipe-dreams.

The only nationalist organisation with a strategy for achieving political power that relies solely on the efforts of we British nationalists, is Western Spring.

The video earlier shows what is probably the best speech that Adam Walker has made. The final point that he made about adapting in order to survive is a very valid one, however it is a pity that the BNP does not know which way to adapt in order to capitalise on our current situation as a nation.

Adam Walker spoke at length about the changes the BNP would introduce once in government in order to solve the problems associated with immigration, Islamisation and British cultural decline, but the issue of how to gain political power was not addressed.

Walker congratulated one activist on his timely distribution of anti-terrorism leaflets following the Paris attacks, but did not demonstrate how the distribution of leaflets, something the BNP has been doing for decades was going to secure political power. Therefore in the absence of any path to power, the bulk of Adam Walker's speech was nothing but pipe-dreams.

The only nationalist organisation with a strategy for achieving political power that relies solely on the efforts of we British nationalists, is Western Spring.

but most people realised Nationalism will only make headway with one main organisation.

It is all or nothing to achieve any victory's against our enemy and give any hope to our people.

Always nice to have more women involved. Thanks for being here.

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Originally Posted by DavidVincent

The video earlier shows what is probably the best speech that Adam Walker has made. The final point that he made about adapting in order to survive is a very valid one, however it is a pity that the BNP does not know which way to adapt in order to capitalise on our current situation as a nation.

Adam Walker spoke at length about the changes the BNP would introduce once in government in order to solve the problems associated with immigration, Islamisation and British cultural decline, but the issue of how to gain political power was not addressed.

Walker congratulated one activist on his timely distribution of anti-terrorism leaflets following the Paris attacks, but did not demonstrate how the distribution of leaflets, something the BNP has been doing for decades was going to secure political power. Therefore in the absence of any path to power, the bulk of Adam Walker's speech was nothing but pipe-dreams.

The only nationalist organisation with a strategy for achieving political power that relies solely on the efforts of we British nationalists, is Western Spring.

The BNP+BDP etc need to move in this direction. We need to become a religious national racial ethnic group like the Jews. The Anglican/Presbyterian churches needs to be reformed to include Asatru, British history, science, philosophy, etc. I like to dream lol. We could still reference Christianity, but we must begin referencing other things. The BNP+BDP must lobby the Monarchy and Church to make those changes. It's time to Reform again

The BNP+BDP etc need to move in this direction. We need to become a religious national racial ethnic group like the Jews. The Anglican church needs to be reformed to include Asatru, British history, science, philosophy, etc. We could still reference Christianity, but we must begin referencing other things. The BNP+BDP must lobby the Monarchy and Church to make those changes. It's time to Reform again

The BNP and the BDP are not going to move in the direction you would like because they are palaeo-nationalist for whom Christian heritage is a vital part of their ideology.

To move towards a Cosmotheist/Pagan position in terms of religion requires people with a more radical outlook.

This is why Western Spring are the answer, why Western Spring are growing and why the BNP/BDP are dying.

The BNP and the BDP are not going to move in the direction you would like because they are palaeo-nationalist for whom Christian heritage is a vital part of their ideology.

To move towards a Cosmotheist/Pagan position in terms of religion requires people with a more radical outlook.

This is why Western Spring are the answer, why Western Spring are growing and why the BNP/BDP are dying.

As soon as I read that Western Spring are trying to raise vast sums of money to finance all their schemes I realise that they are fantasists. Joe Owens is right about one thing, at the end of the day you can only progress by interacting with the man and women on the street, this is one of the benefits of fighting elections. We were told over the years that fighting elections was a waste of time, then the BNP started to have some success and everyone jumped on the bandwagon, it will happen again although not with the BNP.

As soon as I read that Western Spring are trying to raise vast sums of money to finance all their schemes I realise that they are fantasists. Joe Owens is right about one thing, at the end of the day you can only progress by interacting with the man and women on the street, this is one of the benefits of fighting elections. We were told over the years that fighting elections was a waste of time, then the BNP started to have some success and everyone jumped on the bandwagon, it will happen again although not with the BNP.

Yes, but don't large sums of money need to be raised? We are fighting against very powerful and wealthy enemies aren't we?

Also, while the BNP did achieve minor temporary electoral successes, they were short lived and we have nothing to show for it now. So all those years of participating in elections have actually been a waste of time.

The BNP and the BDP are not going to move in the direction you would like because they are palaeo-nationalist for whom Christian heritage is a vital part of their ideology.

To move towards a Cosmotheist/Pagan position in terms of religion requires people with a more radical outlook.

This is why Western Spring are the answer, why Western Spring are growing and why the BNP/BDP are dying.

Yes the highest priority ought to be a new religious ethnic group concept for us. We need a comprehensive package like the Jews. We are a race, nation, religion, culture, etc. We need churches/hofs to congregate at (in the meantime we'll just use party offices). I'd make half the sermons simple youtube sessions where they all watch Family Guy, American Dad, South Park, Monty Python, etc ... and then a few serious ones on philosophy (i.e. Alan Watts), psychology (i.e. Carl Jung), British history, science (i.e. Big Bang, evolution, etc), an objective analysis of Christianity and Asatru - using them for whatever useful pearls of wisdom, etc. We'll have unique marriage and funeral ceremonies. The name of the religion: Britishism or Britianity. We will celebrate Britmas somewhere around Dec 23-26 (Yule/Winter Solstice). Every nationality in Europe should behave similarly.

With respect to the future King of the British Empire and Anglican Church:

From his mentor, the ... South African anthropologist Laurens van der Post, he gained a faith in "philosophical traditionalism": the belief that all religions contain the same perennial truths; and that the human race alienated itself from this ancient wisdom when it discovered the scientific method.

In Part 6 of "One Man's Striving", Simpson expresses worldly influence from the darkening international political situation during the late 1930s, when he wrote:

My mind roamed over the darkening international situation. I remembered the remark of my Jewish friend Richard Mayer, to the effect that Judaism and Christianity belonged together. Certainly Christianity, and especially Puritanism, was only a revived and revamped Judaism. Indeed, there were those who perceived in Christianity only the history of Jewish heresy. But I was far less concerned about the bearing of these two religions on each other and their relationship to the future than I was about what had been the historic effect on the European world of having the White people who created it pass under the direction of a religion that had not come out of their own life experience, out of their own unspoiled and unperverted instinct, traditions, and values.

Nietzsche had declared, quite correctly, that Christianity was "the revenge of the Jews on the Gentiles": the Gentiles had taken from them their homeland, and the Jews had got even by foisting upon the former their religion. And Blake had perceived, no less correctly, that "all nations believe the jews' code and worship the jews' god," and had pronounced in conclusion that "no greater subjection can be." Inevitably the question arose: Can the Western White man, especially Nordic Western man, ever fully repossess his own soul until he has thrown off this alien religion?[2]

My Myth had met with considerable disapproval. I know, for example, that copies of the collective attack made against me by the Roman Church (it was entitled Studieste) had been sent by the various bishoprics to all higher military posts in an effort to do away with me scientifically. [...]

At the end of 1939, the Führer accepted the suggestion that he give me a directive, addressed to party, state and Wehrmacht, to bring about and secure a unification of National Socialist philosophy.

Odd characters had attached themselves to our various branches, and the Reich Ministry of Education vacillated considerably. I wanted to bring about a firm though non-sectarian attitude. My appointment had been agreed upon.

Then, suddenly, the Führer told me that Mussolini wanted to come into the war after all, and had asked him to do nothing at the moment that might aggravate the Church. My assuming office at this critical time would cause a great deal of disquiet. I agreed that under the circumstances my appointment would naturally have to be postponed. [...] No matter what the respective spiritual positions may be, today, after the collapse, the time for a final showdown between opposing philosophies has certainly not yet arrived.

The Protestant Reformation first and foremost consisted of re-writing the Bible in the German and English languages. 40% of the German population was annihilated in the 30 Years War. WWI-II was just Northern Europe exiting cognitive dissonance over its religion/general national consciousness. We need nationalist religions unique to our countries like the Jews and Israel.

Yes, but don't large sums of money need to be raised? We are fighting against very powerful and wealthy enemies aren't we?

Also, while the BNP did achieve minor temporary electoral successes, they were short lived and we have nothing to show for it now. So all those years of participating in elections have actually been a waste of time.

Yes, we do need money, however, is it really possible to raise millions from the small number of Nationalists and their supporters.
Regarding the BNP electoral success, how do you measure progress, did Mosley, Jordan and Tyndall all waste their time?

Yes, we do need money, however, is it really possible to raise millions from the small number of Nationalists and their supporters.
Regarding the BNP electoral success, how do you measure progress, did Mosley, Jordan and Tyndall all waste their time?

There are only a relatively small number of active nationalists in Britain at present, probably less than 2,000, but as Western Spring say, there were 900,000 people who voted BNP during the European elections before last and it would only require 1/3rd of them to make Western Springs plan become a reality.

I think the prospect of recruiting 300,000 into Western Spring is a daunting task, but not as daunting as trying to get 20,000,000 people to vote for a nationalist political party in the current environment.

To get 20,000,000 people to consistently vote for a nationalist party in the current socio-political environment would require more time, effort and resources than getting 1.5% of that number to join a nationalist organisation.

As for Mosley, Jordan and Tyndall, they exerted a massive amount of effort in their various campaigns and yet the number of elected nationalist officials we have, and the number of buildings bequeathed to us by those past leaders here in the UK and dedicated to the survival, proliferation and advancement of our people, is zilch! Therefore the answer to your last question is clearly evident.