After forever of waiting becuase my local range decided no more FMJ ammo, I finally got to try it out on some land a friend owns. Only shot steel targets out to 300 so by no means an accuracy test, but for performance it rocked.

Not one problem, shot 700+ rounds out of my AR10 with it, not one problem, magically my AR10 didnt even have a single jam, which is a first for it. No light strikes, no mistimed firings, no problems, it didnt work loose during the firing, I figure if it works with the higher recoil of the AR10 then it should stay put with 556 forever.

Trigger was so nice and light I basically kept forgetting good trigger control and just jerked at the trigger, still didnt miss.

Overall very impressed, I will be ordering another one for one of my AR15 lowers as soon as funds allow.

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Good to hear, but I knew you'd like it. And to think you originally wanted an RRA trigger

I'm well over the 2K mark with the Geissele trigger in my SBR and no issues either. I expect the trigger to hold up just as well in my AR10. I just dont run through as many rounds at a session with the .30

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STOP IT!!!! All this talk makes me want to sell my KAC trigger and buy a Geissele. It is the only thing that has stayed on every build I have rebuilt and sold and built up again over the past years. Must...resist....urge...

Originally Posted By bigbore:Good to hear, but I knew you'd like it. And to think you originally wanted an RRA trigger

I'm well over the 2K mark with the Geissele trigger in my SBR and no issues either. I expect the trigger to hold up just as well in my AR10. I just dont run through as many rounds at a session with the .30

As soon as funds are available I will have to grab up another one from you, I cant stand my stock trigger on my 15 now.

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Originally Posted By Mthr1:The trigger that you sell on the ADCO site...is it a service or match version? I'm not sure if you offer both because I didn't notice the choice to select between the two?

Was it a drop in install on your AR-10, bigbore?

I think RustedAce has the match trigger in his AR10. If you are putting one in a carbine, I'd get the service rifle trigger. It has a heavy initial pull, but a distinct 2nd stage if you look for it. If you treat it as a standard single stage trigger, you can pull the Geissele straight through and think it just a smooth single stage trigger, without even noticing the second stage.

You really have to try it to know what I'm talking about.

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Having tried both I would agree with bigbore's comments, the service trigger "feels" almost like a single stage. I will be installing one at my next range trip. Like I've said before, this is one of the best upgrades to an AR15...

Anyone wanna buy my RRA 2-stage?

Yea I like to live dangerously, so I may get the service grade and adjust it to the lighter side...

Got mine today from Steve at ADCO. It was waiting for me in the mailbox.

I just got done installing it (not hard at all), and did some dry firing.

That is an awesome trigger!!!!!!! Whooo Hooooo!!!!!

Since my trigger scale has not come in yet, I didn't monkey with weight adjustments, just sear engagement as directed. So I am assuming that the first stage is around 4 lbs and the second at .5 to .75 lbs.

A dramatic improvement over a tuned RRA.

In the words of Ferris Buehler: "It is choice. If you have the cash, I highly recommend it".

ETA: range report due either tomorrow or Sunday.

ETA: Range report will have to wait at least another week. I am NOT going out in this rain/snow quagmire.

Originally Posted By SWO_daddy:Got mine today from Steve at ADCO. It was waiting for me in the mailbox.

I just got done installing it (not hard at all), and did some dry firing.

That is an awesome trigger!!!!!!! Whooo Hooooo!!!!!

Since my trigger scale has not come in yet, I didn't monkey with weight adjustments, just sear engagement as directed. So I am assuming that the first stage is around 4 lbs and the second at .5 to .75 lbs.

A dramatic improvement over a tuned RRA.

In the words of Ferris Buehler: "It is choice. If you have the cash, I highly recommend it".

ETA: range report due either tomorrow or Sunday.

Its nothing like you expected, is it? Dont you love the installation kit too?

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Originally Posted By JE3146:...but after seeing that video... I'm damn near sold on this one... that is just impressive...

I've watched the video a couple of times, but I still can't tell what it is about the firing that is clearly a result of the better trigger. Rate of fire?

The "trigger" video is pretty silly, but point is more about that trigger/lower has been passed around to a few people who have been going through a magazine as fast as the trigger can be pulled. It has over 2K rounds though like that and it hasnt missed a beat or come out of adjustment.

Now I'm going to see how long it can go with a suppressor with no cleaning. For those who have fired a suppressed AR, they back pressure is a mess like you cant imagine. I'll see it if starts to stick or anything from all the gunk.

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Originally Posted By JE3146:Bigbore, for comparison.. do you happen to have a video of another trigger like the RRA 2 stage or the LMT 2 stage being "fired as fast as they can pull the trigger"?

After thinking about it, my comment on it being impressive was a bit ahead of itself as I have nothing to compare it to other than a stock trigger, and that's apples to oranges...

The only relevancy to “fast as you can pull the trigger” is the use/abuse and how it holds up. 1K rounds of pulling the trigger once every 60 seconds, doesn’t seem to say as much for the trigger. The Geissele does have an shorter reset, and over travel, but it would be next to impossible to compare how fast 2 people could pull 2 different triggers. I can get off 10 aimed shots with my SBR and the Geissele in 1.46 seconds. There are probably people who can do that with a 8lb stock trigger.

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Originally Posted By JE3146:Bigbore, for comparison.. do you happen to have a video of another trigger like the RRA 2 stage or the LMT 2 stage being "fired as fast as they can pull the trigger"?

After thinking about it, my comment on it being impressive was a bit ahead of itself as I have nothing to compare it to other than a stock trigger, and that's apples to oranges...

The only relevancy to “fast as you can pull the trigger” is the use/abuse and how it holds up. 1K rounds of pulling the trigger once every 60 seconds, doesn’t seem to say as much for the trigger. The Geissele does have an shorter reset, and over travel, but it would be next to impossible to compare how fast 2 people could pull 2 different triggers. I can get off 10 aimed shots with my SBR and the Geissele in 1.46 seconds. There are probably people who can do that with a 8lb stock trigger.

Basically it comes down to this.

I've only been into AR's and guns in general for about 2 years; multiple thousands of rounds through my rifles with stock triggers. Always told myself it wasn't worth investing in a nice trigger unless I could shoot decently with a stock one. Which I can shoot pretty decent to about 200 meters with a stock trigger, the limitation I've seen lately (with my shooting) is excessive jerking the trigger while doing doubles, and tripples.

What's your take on this? Worth upgrading to a lighter trigger or practice till I become better at it?

Also after seeing these vids and information threads, how could a person like myself who has no experience with a 2 stage trigger, understand the difference one makes without actually using it?

Basically trying to justify an expensive purchase with knowledge instead of first hand experience... Any help in this regard or is it impossible to understand without first using one? That is if I even go this route. Something tells me I should just suck it up and practice more.

No piece of kit can overcome lack of training. If you want a top notch trigger, this is it. But trigger control is about your brain and body. Steve shoots a bone stock glock as well as a $3000 1911. That is what practice/training gets you.

I did get my trigger scale today (Lyman digital) and the trigger is perfect as it comes if the second stage engagement and weight setup instructions are followed. 3 lbs 15 oz on the first stage and 13 to 14 oz on the second.

Originally Posted By Mthr1:On the match trigger, the weight on the second stage is 4-14oz? On the service, it's 8oz-1.5LB?

Those are the adjustable ranges for the two triggers. Its not the weight that makes a trigger nice, its the sear engagement.

I have a match trigger in my AR10, that people think it feels like its set to 2 pounds max, when it a 3lb trigger. 2lb 1st stage, 1lb second.

In my carbine I have 4lb first stage, and 1lb second for a total of 5lbs.

The triggers are the same, but they only come with 1 set of springs. I think the extra spring sets are around $10

Got my trigger today. Everything posted above is TRUE! I was a died in the wool Jewell trigger fan for ages until one of mine went south in the middle of a match and my replacement parts didn't work so well. I got smarter and went up to KAC triggers for my more serious social rifle clones. The Geissele is everything that the KAC is, only not combat tested. I have a service model, and out of the box I got 4lb2oz first and a 14oz second stage. Only had to turn the overtravel 1/4 turn from the factory settings (after reading and following the directions, that's where it all ended up!). I will definately be getting another. I managed to get 300 rounds through mine already, and not one single hitch. I love it.

I'm given to understand that the springs are standard ones? Hmmmmmmm......just thinking out loud, anyone tried the JP or Yellow Tavern light weight trigger springs yet to see how things work out?

Also, anyone know about how much drag using a KNS trigger pin is going to add until the circlip breaks in?

Originally Posted By Banzai:Also, anyone know about how much drag using a KNS trigger pin is going to add until the circlip breaks in?

Tom

posted by Bill Geissele regarding the KNS pins

I don't recommend the KNS pins because the hammer pin retaining mechanism on my trigger is different than stock. Stock has a "J spring" that locates on a center groove on the pin. My pin does not have a center groove but has a small groove next to the main side groove.

A circlip will snap into this small groove and keep the pin in the hammer. However, the circlip will allow the pin to float about 0.020" back and forth. This allows the hammer and pin to find a point of equilibrium so the hammer has ZERO drag on the pin.

The stock J spring will drag on the stock hammer pin. This is why the pin will turn in the receiver holes on a stock trigger.

Since the KNS pins do not have the side groove the circlip on my trigger will drag on the KNS pin. It will work but soon the circlip will be enlarged from the constant rubbing. This would only be detrimental if the Geissele pin was then reused in place of the KNS pin.....the circlip would be too weak to hold the Geissele pin.

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The only relevancy to “fast as you can pull the trigger” is the use/abuse and how it holds up. 1K rounds of pulling the trigger once every 60 seconds, doesn’t seem to say as much for the trigger. The Geissele does have an shorter reset, and over travel, but it would be next to impossible to compare how fast 2 people could pull 2 different triggers. I can get off 10 aimed shots with my SBR and the Geissele in 1.46 seconds. There are probably people who can do that with a 8lb stock trigger.

Holy crap! I need to get to the range more often! Any books/videos/ that can help teach fast follow-up shots like that, or is this something you have to be taught by someone knowledgeable?

The only relevancy to “fast as you can pull the trigger” is the use/abuse and how it holds up. 1K rounds of pulling the trigger once every 60 seconds, doesn’t seem to say as much for the trigger. The Geissele does have an shorter reset, and over travel, but it would be next to impossible to compare how fast 2 people could pull 2 different triggers. I can get off 10 aimed shots with my SBR and the Geissele in 1.46 seconds. There are probably people who can do that with a 8lb stock trigger.

Holy crap! I need to get to the range more often! Any books/videos/ that can help teach fast follow-up shots like that, or is this something you have to be taught by someone knowledgeable?

Take a shot timer, target, and 900rds of 5.56 ammo to the range. I bet you do just as well by the time you run out of ammo. Its all about practice. I can really have fun when I take 1000 12 gauge shells, clay pigeons and I get play with my shotgun all day

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I held off on installing the trigger until I let some time pass. I find I mess stuff up and do things improperly if I head to the workshop immediately when I get home from work.

So....10 minutes later....

I installed the Geissele trigger per the instructions and those pins fit TIGHT....as they're supposed to. I had to tap them into my Stag lower but they did go in as the instructions said they would. You can tell by looking at the Geissele pins that the grooves will better hold the springs and walk outs won't be a problem. I found it easy by keeping the push pin (provided along with allen wrenches, lube, etc) in the lower as I tapped the new pins into place. So yeah - no need for KNS pins here, keep em in the drawer or sell em off - you don't need them with a Geissele.

All I can say is "wow." This trigger is a rugged sucker. I can see the inherent quality and the engineered advantages over virtually every other trigger I've seen over the years. I look forward to trying this out over the next couple weeks. Pulling the charging handle, you can feel the carrier knock the hammer down right away which is neat. Also, I notice when dry firing, the trigger mechanism itself is rock solid with no wobble or movement - very rigid. I'm also very impressed with the packaging and accessories that come with the trigger kit.

My testing inquiries aside from trigger function will encompass how the Geissele trigger performs with my MGI buffer in a mid length Recon barrel from Global Tactical. Figure I'll use some 62grain SS109 and see how that fares. I'll probably take along the standard buffer and my 9mm buffer for comparison purposes. We'll see!

Also worth noting....my once cherished RRA NM trigger now suddenly seems obsolete and the 1st stage of the RRA trigger went from "not bad" to "wtf!!!"...I now have enough time to pick my nose waiting for the 1st stage to end.

lol....great.....I've yet to try this trigger at the range but I have a sneaking suspicion I'll end up with another Geissele.....

Looks like it'll be worth two hundred and eighty three one-dollar bills!

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