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Topic review - Calling all HMS Nelson & Rodney fans

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SovereignHobbies

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Re: Calling all HMS Nelson & Rodney fans

We (the undernamed - all members of ModeWarships.com Forum) have been working on the scheme for HMS Rodney in 1942 recently. We may have a tweak or two here or there, but we're more or less agreed on this I think. If anything is revised I will update

As compared to Trumpeter's scheme:

Or this!?!?

Or black and white photographs coloured in by people quite nifty with photo editing software, but not necessarily inclined to research much. These look authoritative to the unwary. Indeed it may not be a million miles away from Rodney's end-of-war appearance using B30 in place of MS4, but not for 1942 and it is not supported by other evidence such as the Operation Pedestal colour cine film or Stephen Bone's painting:

We (the undernamed - all members of ModeWarships.com Forum) have been working on the scheme for HMS Rodney in 1942 recently. We may have a tweak or two here or there, but we're more or less agreed on this I think. If anything is revised I will update :)

As compared to Trumpeter's scheme:[img]https://metrohobbies.com.au/media/catalog/product/cache/3/image/700x700/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/5/6/5614d2dc35d8c.jpg[/img]

Or this!?!?[img]https://www.modelwereld.eu/images/productimages/big/H.M.S.-RODNEY-Royal-Navy-Battleship-WWII-Tamiya-102.jpg[/img]

Or black and white photographs coloured in by people quite nifty with photo editing software, but not necessarily inclined to research much. These look authoritative to the unwary. Indeed it may not be a million miles away from Rodney's end-of-war appearance using B30 in place of MS4, but not for 1942 and it is not supported by other evidence such as the Operation Pedestal colour cine film or Stephen Bone's painting:[img]https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b3/5e/93/b35e9331aa17788b4736e53896b8aa32.jpg[/img]

Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2018 4:53 am

Richard Durham

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I am looking for some photos that clearly show the rigging for a 1945 HMS Nelson. Can’t find anything on line or in the books that I have. I think there is an accurate Nelson ‘45 rigging drawing in the AJ Press Nelson Rodney book, based on a somewhat fuzzy image posed on this forum, but the AJ Press book is not easy to find. Any help would be greatly appreciated. You can post, email or pm me. Thanks!

I am looking for some photos that clearly show the rigging for a 1945 HMS Nelson. Can’t find anything on line or in the books that I have. I think there is an accurate Nelson ‘45 rigging drawing in the AJ Press Nelson Rodney book, based on a somewhat fuzzy image posed on this forum, but the AJ Press book is not easy to find. Any help would be greatly appreciated. You can post, email or pm me. Thanks!

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2018 5:15 pm

William

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It appears that Trumpeter had advertised a full hull option on their website. Under the heading of the HMS Nelson kit, they made a statement that the lower hull is of slide-mold technology.

Bill

It appears that Trumpeter had advertised a full hull option on their website. Under the heading of the HMS Nelson kit, they made a statement that the lower hull is of slide-mold technology.

Bill

Posted: Mon May 14, 2018 7:49 am

DavidP

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I have no problem with that as I don't like half hulls either.

I have no problem with that as I don't like half hulls either.

Posted: Sat May 12, 2018 9:27 pm

William

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DavidP,

Yes, I am. I am trying to get the word out about this change in Trumpeter's kits.

Bill

DavidP,

Yes, I am. I am trying to get the word out about this change in Trumpeter's kits.

Bill

Posted: Sat May 12, 2018 8:38 pm

Nino

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Bill,

I have been searching some Chinese sites (Google translate is my friend). I'm trying to see if there are any rumors about AM hulls or a release of the kit with a full hull for a different market. Real shame all the newest Trumpeter 1/700 kits are waterline.

This might be a good time to pick up ship models I'm missing before they get re-issued as waterline only. (Hey, that's one way to get rid of old stock.) I guess the Paint manufacturers will eliminate Red paint next due to limited demand.

Nino

Bill,

I have been searching some Chinese sites (Google translate is my friend). I'm trying to see if there are any rumors about AM hulls or a release of the kit with a full hull for a different market. Real shame all the newest Trumpeter 1/700 kits are waterline.

This might be a good time to pick up ship models I'm missing before they get re-issued as waterline only. (Hey, that's one way to get rid of old stock.) I guess the Paint manufacturers will eliminate Red paint next due to limited demand.

Nino

Posted: Sat May 12, 2018 7:42 pm

DavidP

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you are warshipguy on finescale.com, aren't you?

you are warshipguy on finescale.com, aren't you?

Posted: Sat May 12, 2018 6:02 pm

William

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I think that angers me the most is that, if I had wanted a Tamiya kit, I would have bought one for $11.00 at my local hobby shop instead of paying over $60.00. Then, I would have purchased a photoetch set of doors and railings, and a pack of Evergreen plastic strip for the armored bands around the hull and saved myself around $35.00. Instead, I assumed that this kit would be the same as all other Trumpeter kits before it. I paid high dollar for basically a Tamiya kit that I would never have purchased. I have written Trumpeter but have heard nothing back.

Bill

I think that angers me the most is that, if I had wanted a Tamiya kit, I would have bought one for $11.00 at my local hobby shop instead of paying over $60.00. Then, I would have purchased a photoetch set of doors and railings, and a pack of Evergreen plastic strip for the armored bands around the hull and saved myself around $35.00. Instead, I assumed that this kit would be the same as all other Trumpeter kits before it. I paid high dollar for basically a Tamiya kit that I would never have purchased. I have written Trumpeter but have heard nothing back.

Bill

Posted: Sat May 12, 2018 1:37 pm

William

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I did. The box makes no mention of it.

Bill

I did. The box makes no mention of it.

Bill

Posted: Sat May 12, 2018 12:11 pm

DavidP

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check your nelson model box for any mention it is only a waterline not both.

check your nelson model box for any mention it is only a waterline not both.

Posted: Sat May 12, 2018 9:27 am

William

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I probably could but I should not have to do so. Trumpeter has always provided the option of building their ships either waterline or full hull. I bought the Nelson with the expectation that this kit would be no different. To find that Trumpeter had not included this option was very disappointing. To hear that they did the same with their kit of the New York makes me nervous about purchasing any more of their 1/700 kits.

Bill

I probably could but I should not have to do so. Trumpeter has always provided the option of building their ships either waterline or full hull. I bought the Nelson with the expectation that this kit would be no different. To find that Trumpeter had not included this option was very disappointing. To hear that they did the same with their kit of the New York makes me nervous about purchasing any more of their 1/700 kits.

Bill

Posted: Sat May 12, 2018 7:39 am

DavidP

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can always make your own lower hull for a waterline model as that is my intention on the waterline models I have.

can always make your own lower hull for a waterline model as that is my intention on the waterline models I have.

Posted: Tue May 08, 2018 6:46 pm

William

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Granted there are some minor problems with the kit, as there are with all kits. But, not being familiar with the 1/700 USS New York and knowing from my extensive experience with Trumpeter 1/700 scale ships, I was shocked by the lack of a lower hull. Trumpeter has always provided a lower hull for the full hull option in each of their ship kits, which I have always appreciated. I am concerned that this might signal a new trend with their kits, meaning that I am done modeling them. I detest waterline kits, feeling that they constitute only half of a model. That is why I do not waste my time on Tamiya kits or the non-full hull kits from other manufacturers.

Bill

Granted there are some minor problems with the kit, as there are with all kits. But, not being familiar with the 1/700 USS New York and knowing from my extensive experience with Trumpeter 1/700 scale ships, I was shocked by the lack of a lower hull. Trumpeter has always provided a lower hull for the full hull option in each of their ship kits, which I have always appreciated. I am concerned that this might signal a new trend with their kits, meaning that I am done modeling them. I detest waterline kits, feeling that they constitute only half of a model. That is why I do not waste my time on Tamiya kits or the non-full hull kits from other manufacturers.

Bill

Posted: Tue May 08, 2018 4:41 pm

tjstoneman

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Some like full hull, others do not. Trumpeter's NEW YORK in 1/700 is another which doesn't offer the full hull option.

As usual, Trumpeter's research leaves a little to be desired - on the other hand, at least they do produce a steady(ish) stream of ship kits which, with a bit of modelling (instead of just assembling), can be turned into reasonable replicas.

Apart from the incorrect box title "Nelson 1944" (she is depicted with 4 x 4 40mm Bofors, Admiralty Standard camouflage and the later 20mm Oerlikon fit, none of which were in place until she left New York in early 1945), there are several other minor, but obvious errors:No SR.RDF (radar) is provided for the forward LA.DCT (Assembly 4); odd, given that the box art depicts the correct type (RDF Type 274) on that DCT (as well as (erroneously) on the after one).No AW.RDF is provided on fore or main masts (they should have AW.RDF Type 279).There is a yard provided for the lower mainmast (Part C13) - this had been removed by 1945.What appears to be a torpedo loading crane (part PE-13) is provided, and depicted in the vertical position.This crane would only be thus if loading torpedoes, in harbour. In any case, NELSON's torpedo tubes were removed in 1942!Two rectangular vertical plates are provided to fit either side of the funnel (Parts F2). I can find no photographs showing these.

None of these errors are ones which cannot be corrected by the average modeller, but they still show a lack of research.

Some like full hull, others do not. Trumpeter's NEW YORK in 1/700 is another which doesn't offer the full hull option.

As usual, Trumpeter's research leaves a little to be desired - on the other hand, at least they do produce a steady(ish) stream of ship kits which, with a bit of modelling (instead of just assembling), can be turned into reasonable replicas.

Apart from the incorrect box title "Nelson 1944" (she is depicted with 4 x 4 40mm Bofors, Admiralty Standard camouflage and the later 20mm Oerlikon fit, none of which were in place until she left New York in early 1945), there are several other minor, but obvious errors:No SR.RDF (radar) is provided for the forward LA.DCT (Assembly 4); odd, given that the box art depicts the correct type (RDF Type 274) on that DCT (as well as (erroneously) on the after one).No AW.RDF is provided on fore or main masts (they should have AW.RDF Type 279).There is a yard provided for the lower mainmast (Part C13) - this had been removed by 1945.What appears to be a torpedo loading crane (part PE-13) is provided, and depicted in the vertical position.This crane would only be thus if loading torpedoes, in harbour. In any case, NELSON's torpedo tubes were removed in 1942!Two rectangular vertical plates are provided to fit either side of the funnel (Parts F2). I can find no photographs showing these.

None of these errors are ones which cannot be corrected by the average modeller, but they still show a lack of research.

Posted: Tue May 08, 2018 2:35 pm

William

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I just purchased the new 1/700 HMS Nelson by Trumpeter. Although the detail is terrific, I was disappointed by the fact that Trumpeter omitted the lower hull. I hate waterline kits and was looking forward to having a full hull model of this ship. Trumpeter really let me down with this issue as I was not expecting it. Trumpeter has always given a full hull option, and I was expecting that consistency.

But, like I said, the detail is excellent! It is far, far better than the Tamiya and Meng offerings, although I could graft a Meng lower hull onto the Trumpeter model.

Bill Morrison

I just purchased the new 1/700 HMS Nelson by Trumpeter. Although the detail is terrific, I was disappointed by the fact that Trumpeter omitted the lower hull. I hate waterline kits and was looking forward to having a full hull model of this ship. Trumpeter really let me down with this issue as I was not expecting it. Trumpeter has always given a full hull option, and I was expecting that consistency.

But, like I said, the detail is excellent! It is far, far better than the Tamiya and Meng offerings, although I could graft a Meng lower hull onto the Trumpeter model.

Bill Morrison

Posted: Tue May 08, 2018 11:45 am

tjstoneman

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Sorry - you didn't mention the scale - and since the 1/700 version is the most recent, I assumed that' was the one you meant! Whilst I have not seen the 1/200 version, I believe the 1/700 one is basically a scaled-down version of Trumpeter's large one, and thus the same detail applies - and, of course, there is already a 1/200 RODNEY, so purchasing that would make building a replica easier - although less easy on the bank balance!

Sorry - you didn't mention the scale - and since the 1/700 version is the most recent, I assumed that' was the one you meant! Whilst I have not seen the 1/200 version, I believe the 1/700 one is basically a scaled-down version of Trumpeter's large one, and thus the same detail applies - and, of course, there is already a 1/200 RODNEY, so purchasing that would make building a replica easier - although less easy on the bank balance!

Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 12:41 am

grayson72

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Thanks for the informative reply! The kit I was actually referring to was the Trumpeter 1/200 kit.

Thanks for the informative reply! The kit I was actually referring to was the Trumpeter 1/200 kit.

Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 12:18 am

tjstoneman

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NELSON and RODNEY were never identical - it depends how accurate you wish to be, and what period you wish to represent RODNEY. As always, good phots and references will help. Assuming you are referring to the 1/700 kit listed as "HMS Nelson 1944" (which is a misnomer - the kit represents the 1945 fit!), the main changes would be the omission of the four quadruple 40mm Bofors mountings and their platforms, the reistatement of the armoured 16" director, replacement of the crane with a bent-arm one and moving it inboard and revision of the light AA fit. Depending on the period chosen, RDF (radar) antennae would also need changing, and a catapult fitting on "X" turret, the shields omitting on the 4.7" HA guns and boat stowage changing. Camouflage schemes varied over time, too. When you've done all that, Trumpeter will probably produce their kit of RODNEY!

NELSON and RODNEY were never identical - it depends how accurate you wish to be, and what period you wish to represent RODNEY. As always, good phots and references will help. Assuming you are referring to the 1/700 kit listed as "HMS Nelson 1944" (which is a misnomer - the kit represents the 1945 fit!), the main changes would be the omission of the four quadruple 40mm Bofors mountings and their platforms, the reistatement of the armoured 16" director, replacement of the crane with a bent-arm one and moving it inboard and revision of the light AA fit. Depending on the period chosen, RDF (radar) antennae would also need changing, and a catapult fitting on "X" turret, the shields omitting on the 4.7" HA guns and boat stowage changing. Camouflage schemes varied over time, too. When you've done all that, Trumpeter will probably produce their kit of RODNEY!

Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 4:26 pm

grayson72

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I have the Nelson kit but would rather build the Rodney, how difficult would it be to build the Nelson as the Rodney do you fellas think?

I have the Nelson kit but would rather build the Rodney, how difficult would it be to build the Nelson as the Rodney do you fellas think?

Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 1:45 pm

Richard Durham

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Parts break down and instructions for new Trumpeter 1/700 HMS Nelson (late war fit) are posted on Hobby Search Japan sales site (http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10495998). Looks like Trumpeter has upped their game. Separate pieces for winches and ammo lockers, slide molded bridge and 01 level of superstructure.

Parts break down and instructions for new Trumpeter 1/700 HMS Nelson (late war fit) are posted on Hobby Search Japan sales site (http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10495998). Looks like Trumpeter has upped their game. Separate pieces for winches and ammo lockers, slide molded bridge and 01 level of superstructure.