If you want to judge him on this year with the players he had to put in the line up, and say he sucks fine. The problem is everyone you would want to replace him with would be in the same situation. The players have to change, not the manager.

That's fair, but if there was someone else at the helm that's had major league success (or experience for that matter) there'd a be more patience and more (any) hope for next year.

Also it's frustrating to know that Ventura won't be the manager in 2015 but he'll be awarded a token role in the organization.