The link I was trying to make was between EU (and presumably "matching" NSF/ANDS/other) funding in 2015/2016. And possible "sustainable" funding after this period possibly coming from Organisational member contributions.

I was most definitely not suggesting using EU funds from this call or any other to pay to Organisational membership fees (which would hardly lead to a sustainable model).

I will tell people who ask me that they should contact you and Peter.

Thanks a lot, Jamie

On Dec 17, 2013, at 4:32 PM, Leif.Laaksonen
wrote:

>
> Dear Jamie,
>
>
> Thank you very much for your mail. I am very happy to learn that RDA and RDA Europe are seen so successful that that there are "we" who would like to join the next phase. I am sure you have looked at the call text for EINFRA-3-2014 and seen that the limited amount of money available (4 Me) through that call is rather small compared to the money available for the research activities and communities in other calls? I am not sure the Commission has thought of first supporting the RDA activities and then pay the Organisational membership fees through possible RDA Europe partner engagement? Perhaps you thought about something else? I am not sure I see a clear linking here between the "funding" discussion we have about Organisational Membership or the use of RDA funds and RDA Europe. Am I losing something obvious here?
>
> In the current RDA Europe context we have a group of persons working on a document, where we are asking potential new partners about their ideas for the next stage of the project and in case they are interested how they could best contribute and support in fulfilling the requirements expressed in the Commission call text. This will be done over the coming weeks. This discussion has already started among the current RDA Europe partners and will of course extend further to build up a strong consortium for the RDA Europe 3.0 proposal, with the deadline September 2014.
>
> The persons to contact at this stage are Peter Wittenburg and yours truly.
>
> Thanks,
>
> -- leif
>
>
> On 17 Dec 2013, at 14:01, Jamie Shiers wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> Since the publication of EINFRA-3-2014 and other calls last week, a number of people have asked me how "we" plan to respond. In addition, I have seen it discussed on a number of mailing lists.
>>
>> Whilst perhaps an RDA/E issue, it is linked to our discussion of "funding" and Organisational Membership / the use of such funds.
>>
>> Questions such as "how will the proposal be prepared?", "who should / could be part of it?" have already come up.
>>
>> I believe that it would be useful - and would also save effort - to have a clear and transparent statement on this.
>>
>> Something for tomorrow or to be discussed elsewhere?
>>
>> Cheers, Jamie
>>
>> On Dec 10, 2013, at 12:01 AM, fkara wrote:
>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> I have prepared the draft minutes from the last meeting. Please let me know any comments.
>>>
>>> You can find them in https://rd-alliance.org/groups/rda-organisational-advisory-board-oab/wik....
>>>
>>> Also note that the next meeting has been scheduled for 18.12.2013 at 16:00 GMT.
>>>
>>> Kiind regards,
>>>
>>> Fotis Karayannis, RDA Secretariat
>>>
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Thank you very much for clarifying your mail. I think there is already quite a strong support and commitment from NSF/ANDS/others for the coming years. If I now remember correctly Alan Blatecky gave a presentation in Gothenburg where he said that RDA is already quite secured for the next 6-8 years and when we will see new members in the RDA Colloquium (RDAC) that will strengthen the RDA economy even further. I don't think RDA will any time soon be sustainable based on the income from Organisational Membership fees.

Yes, please ask people to be in contact with Peter and me.

Thanks,

-- leif

On 17 Dec 2013, at 17:40, Jamie Shiers wrote:

> Dear Leif,
>
> No, that's not really what I meant at all regarding funding.
>
> The link I was trying to make was between EU (and presumably "matching" NSF/ANDS/other) funding in 2015/2016. And possible "sustainable" funding after this period possibly coming from Organisational member contributions.
>
> I was most definitely not suggesting using EU funds from this call or any other to pay to Organisational membership fees (which would hardly lead to a sustainable model).
>
> I will tell people who ask me that they should contact you and Peter.
>
> Thanks a lot, Jamie
>
> On Dec 17, 2013, at 4:32 PM, Leif.Laaksonen
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Dear Jamie,
>>
>>
>> Thank you very much for your mail. I am very happy to learn that RDA and RDA Europe are seen so successful that that there are "we" who would like to join the next phase. I am sure you have looked at the call text for EINFRA-3-2014 and seen that the limited amount of money available (4 Me) through that call is rather small compared to the money available for the research activities and communities in other calls? I am not sure the Commission has thought of first supporting the RDA activities and then pay the Organisational membership fees through possible RDA Europe partner engagement? Perhaps you thought about something else? I am not sure I see a clear linking here between the "funding" discussion we have about Organisational Membership or the use of RDA funds and RDA Europe. Am I losing something obvious here?
>>
>> In the current RDA Europe context we have a group of persons working on a document, where we are asking potential new partners about their ideas for the next stage of the project and in case they are interested how they could best contribute and support in fulfilling the requirements expressed in the Commission call text. This will be done over the coming weeks. This discussion has already started among the current RDA Europe partners and will of course extend further to build up a strong consortium for the RDA Europe 3.0 proposal, with the deadline September 2014.
>>
>> The persons to contact at this stage are Peter Wittenburg and yours truly.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> -- leif
>>
>>
>> On 17 Dec 2013, at 14:01, Jamie Shiers wrote:
>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> Since the publication of EINFRA-3-2014 and other calls last week, a number of people have asked me how "we" plan to respond. In addition, I have seen it discussed on a number of mailing lists.
>>>
>>> Whilst perhaps an RDA/E issue, it is linked to our discussion of "funding" and Organisational Membership / the use of such funds.
>>>
>>> Questions such as "how will the proposal be prepared?", "who should / could be part of it?" have already come up.
>>>
>>> I believe that it would be useful - and would also save effort - to have a clear and transparent statement on this.
>>>
>>> Something for tomorrow or to be discussed elsewhere?
>>>
>>> Cheers, Jamie
>>>
>>> On Dec 10, 2013, at 12:01 AM, fkara wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear all,
>>>>
>>>> I have prepared the draft minutes from the last meeting. Please let me know any comments.
>>>>
>>>> You can find them in https://rd-alliance.org/groups/rda-organisational-advisory-board-oab/wik....
>>>>
>>>> Also note that the next meeting has been scheduled for 18.12.2013 at 16:00 GMT.
>>>>
>>>> Kiind regards,
>>>>
>>>> Fotis Karayannis, RDA Secretariat
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Full post: https://rd-alliance.org/draft-minutes-interim-oab-26112013-next-meeting-...
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