5 Reasons You Shouldn’t Date Girls Who Hate Oral Sex

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There are a variety of ways to evaluate the quality of a woman. Sexual aptitude is simply one that resonates with all men because we are deeply sexual beings. More so than women, we derive considerable satisfaction and happiness from an epic sex life.

With that in mind, I suggest considering the following when you find yourself interacting with a girl who says she doesn’t enjoy going down on a guy. Here are five reasons you may not want to date her:

1. She Has Low Sex Drive

Woman, by nature of biology, generally have a lower sex drive than men. This is owed primarily to a difference in levels of testosterone. While present in women, it is in much lower quantities than men. Also, like men, hormone levels can vary from woman to woman, which can directly impact sex drive.

A woman with higher levels of testosterone than the average woman doesn’t necessarily have mannish qualities, and may, in fact, be hyper feminine. But, she likely does have a higher sex drive as a result. A woman with greater sex drive is going to be excited at the mere prospect of sexual activity, and she knows a great way to initiate is to take you in her mouth.

Why should you care? Well, assuming you’re an average male, you’re thinking about sex daily, and physiologically, your body is feeling an urgent need for release about every three days. Obviously, your personal sense of sexual need will vary by age and hormone levels, but we’re just talking averages here.

So, have you found yourself with a great girl, but notice she rarely initiates, or even talks about sex? When you do get laid, is it merely satisfactory, and she never really seems in to it?

Best to avoid this kind of situation whenever possible. Knowing as your relationship continues, there will be an inevitable tapering off of sexual activity, think what life might be like just a few short years down the road. Suddenly you’re in a sexless relationship with no easy way out. Porn and masturbation are a poor substitute for the real thing, but this is now your life. Sounds terrible.

2. She Is Unable To Submit

A strong man needs to be able to lead, but a woman who is unwilling to submit herself, can’t be led. Women often complain that giving a man oral is demeaning and degrading. Any woman who truly feels this way likely does so because she insists on being an equal in the relationship.

In her mind, any act that puts her in a position beneath the man erodes her ability to maintain control of her perceived status of equality. There is an underlying streak of feminism running through the mind of this woman, and you should walk away immediately. You will never be the head of a relationship where the rest of the parts insist on always having their say.

3. She Is A Prude

Often this goes hand-in-hand with low sex drive, but it’s not always the case. Some women simply don’t like branching out beyond missionary, and if you’re OK with that, then skip to the next section.

But, if you hope to spend your precious time with a woman who can set the bed on fire, consider this point carefully. A woman who is unwilling to explore her sexuality with you, and try new things, will inevitably become boring and non-stimulating.

Over time, all relationships move towards a kind of equilibrium between partners. Routines are established and the days and weeks begin to blend together. But, as soon as your sexual activity becomes rote, you have reached the beginning of the end. And with a prudish girl, you’re only going to get to that point faster.

Boredom breeds frustration, which breeds resentment, which leads to finding fulfillment elsewhere. Before you know it, you’ve cheated on your girlfriend or wife with some hot, young co-ed who can suck-start a leaf blower while her ankles are behind her head. Good luck explaining to your significant other why that happened.

4. She Is Selfish

I don’t know about you, but every single girl I’ve ever met who loves giving head says it’s because she loves how it makes me feel. She gets off on knowing that I am enjoying myself and she’s individually responsible for that sensation. Sure, some women say they like the taste, or say it feels good, but at the heart of it, they enjoy performing a selfless act that is designed to only address my sexual desires.

A woman who genuinely doesn’t like performing oral is likely a selfish lover, and even worse, a selfish person. This kind of attitude can manifest itself far beyond the bedroom and lead to many problems in your relationship. A woman who consistently takes more than she gives will, inevitably, leave you unsatisfied.

If you are dissatisfied at home, you will begin to find that attitude creep in to other aspects of your daily life, negatively impacting your path of self-improvement and success. To achieve joy in life, you need to surround yourself with positive influences, and selfish women are to be avoided.

5. She Is Unable To Love

I genuinely believe selfish people are unable to truly love someone. How can you expect someone insistent on meeting their own needs first to consistently put that aside, and live to meet someone else’s needs? The basic essence of love is to understand and meet the needs of someone else.

Without this foundation, your relationship is doomed. Not only should you reconsider becoming romantically involved with this kind of woman, but if you ever want to have kids, you should drop her like a bad habit. It is impossible to be both selfish and a good parent.

Now, I’m not saying you need to quickly evaluate every woman you date based on their desire, willingness, or expediency in giving head. But, keep these things in mind as you begin to establish a relationship that you think might be worth a longer-term engagement. Know yourself, and what is important to you, before letting a relationship get too far down the path.

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and any guy must end the relationship at the moment she say no to bj, but i never met that kind of girls, they all insisted to do it in my case with some prude like pretending they never did it before and they’re curious LMAO

“A woman with higher levels of testosterone than the average woman doesn’t necessarily have mannish qualities, and may, in fact, be hyper feminine. But, she likely does have a higher sex drive as a result.”

And she may in fact be a dark triad female who knows how to ensnare men via her sexuality.

Now, let’s be realistic here. How many of you would rather have a chaste, dedicated, average woman versus a hypersexual woman? This is (should be) a no-brainer: dedicated woman is wife/mother material, sluts are a dime a dozen.

I know you meant well but this is terrible advice. Western men shouldn’t be “dating” anyone. Especially, not whores who who love oral sex. That would suggest that she has already pleasured an untold number of penises.

Secondly, are we discussing oral sex solicited before or after an relationship has been established? If it’s the former, how is submission a pro (and not a con) if she’s willing to blow a stranger before he’s given her a firm commitment? Are we supposed to “date” this woman after we’ve taken her mouth for a “test spin,” knowing full well that other penises have also taken test spins?

No disrespect intended, as I can tell this article was written in earnest but most of this article doesn’t really add up.

The testosterone theory has actually been turned on its head. High testosterone is linked to greater interest in masturbation in women, according to research detailed online in May in the journal Archives of Sexual Behavior.

If a woman shows a high interest in sex it could mean two things:

1. She’s had many previous partners and the more sexual partners a woman has had the less likely she is to be submissive in terms of bonding with a man. It is like taking a piece of strong packing tape and applying it to a box. Leave it alone, and it will hold that box together for decades and decades. Take it off and re-apply it and, well… it just doesn’t hold as well anymore. Keep taking it off and applying it a taking it off and applying it and… I think you get the idea. This is what happens to a woman who has had multiple sex partners.

2. She is her 30s and looking for a provider to settle down with. She fakes her sexuality as she is desperate. In that case, it is advisable to proceed with caution as you might end up raising another man’s child.

I think that you’re ignoring the elephant in the room, women are all whores around men they want to please. And prudes around men they hate. They are supremely selfish so that’s irrelevant, not able to love in the same way a man loves a woman, no such thing as unconditional love from women. The low sex drive thing is probably a bad thing but again if you’re going for young women it shouldn’t really be an issue.

The elephant in the room is again that all women will do whatever for men they truly want. Trying to create a big list is silly, instead the article should focus on how to be that type of dominant man that gets all the blowjobs and pussy he wants. Look blowjobs are great, especially when I’m too tired or lazy, if a girl doesn’t want to suck my dick it means one of two things.

1) She’s a bitch and I need to put her in her place
2) I need to be more assertive and let her know this ain’t right

Men who can’t go out and take, getting their needs met, if you can’t do that then be the friend-zone Nice Guy forever. I know because I was there. Until the day I said, “you know what, my needs come first.” As Victor Pride put it guys are either overtly selfish or cowardly selfish. Overtly selfish men take and get, cowardly selfish men are nice guy chickenshits who eat shit. Deal with it.

I can’t tell you how many betamax friends of mine are dating women who are prudes with them but were completely uninhibited with their ex, Chad. The women will often appeal to the beta provider’s protective instincts by saying something like “I can’t (insert sex act) because Chad used it to hurt me”.

I’ve heard this lie told before, usually something along the lines when I was that beta guy. It’s very common. Over the past year now all I hear is women bitching about how lame, whiny, insecure, and pushover those guys were.

Blasted Chad. I knew it was Chad all along. That bastard! (shakes fist).
But you are correct and I can even tell you something from my own experience.
I had “romance” cut short (mentally, not physically, thankfully) by one of those “I can’t be with you because I’ve had things happen to me” kind of cases.
You know what? That was bullshit, I found later. And I have seen it countless times happen to other dudes over almost 30 years, and it was always bullshit.
What you see going on is she’s stuck at the point between alpha and beta. She wants to think she was abused or raped by alpha to hamsterize setting down with beta, but still gets the tingles for the alpha, so she hamsterizes dumping the beta.
When it happened to me, it was a learning milestone moment. I was 17.
Now I see her on FB almost 30 years later, post wall, fatass, bad marriages no kids. A fucking trainwreck. She did me a favor.

Tell the betamax friends to use the same line next time she wants shit. O take me out to a nice dinner. O I cannot take you to expensive restaurants because becky use to use that to hurt me. Wring me financially.

You’re right. All women have strong sex drive. If it seems like she does not, she just doesn’t for you. You have not pushed the right mental buttons and it’s best to move on rather than dig yourself out of a hole.

I had a nice beta relationship when I was young. She didn’t want to “do it yet” because it was special.
We didn’t live together but we did date for months.
And when I said “goodnight” and went home, she would go out the back door of her parents’ house (we were both young) and go suck a local coke dealer’s dick.
I did not date or have anything to do with women for 6 years after that one. And I don’t regret that. Heck that was a very productive 6 years.

“when I said “goodnight” and went home, she would go out the back door of her parents’ house (we were both young) and go suck a local coke dealer’s dick.”

I hear ya, Doktor. But in the final analysis, it comes down to the question: What does the chick want? I garuntee you that she’s was getting a few lines from the guy in question, and it had nothing to do with his “alphaness”. Trust me when I tell you that if the coke dealer in question was not sharing any of his stash with her, she would dump his ass and seek out the next dealer who would. Again, motivating a female has very little to do with alpha and has fuckloads more to do with materialism.

Male / female relationships are transactional, and I’m talking tangable resources, and nothing more. The writer of this article got it right: women do have a lower sex drive than men. As was already mentioned here at this post, yes men need to have a backbone, but most importantly a man has to have something material that the little darling wants, be it money, drugs or status; NOT a big dick, nor alpha personality.

I’ve seen many scrawny sunken eyed zombies steal hotties away from Mr.-works-out-at-gym-and-knows-game only to discover said scrawny always had a gram with at the time.

You hit the nail on the head with this comment. I have seen the same things and wondered wtf??? I was in my early 20’s, a ripped 200lbs at 5’9″, driving bad ass paid for rigs, making good money (although I didn’t advertise) legally, and lost woman to scrawny, stupid (they later ended up caught and in prison) low IQ drug dealers who gave them what I didn’t have. I always thought there was something wrong with me until I met some genuinely higher quality woman (they were happy with me being ripped driving a new Corvette without being a drug dealer LOL). Then I realized that is the real nature of woman. So now I have come to the conclusion there is no point arguing with reality. I just try to live a good life for myself.

What is fucked up is to claim that such degrading and disgusting practice is a “need”.”standard”that it has anything at all to do with love.Any guy who enjoys seeing a woman he claims to love or care about in such degrading situation has zero respect for her.This article is the perfect example of how men brainwash women into oral sex.Men don’t need oral sex to orgasm anymore than women do. That’s plain emotional blackmail and brainwashing.Fact is that men claim in front of women that there is nothing degrading or humiliating in oral sex but when they want to insult each other or a woman they immediatly go with “suck my d…’ or ‘ d… succer”, showing clearly how they truly feel about women who ;perform bj but of course don’t say it in front of her hoping she will.Only women with low self esteem would give into it.

Indeed reality is reality. This reminds of a loudmouth guy that would meet us at T.G.I.F get togethers every friday. He was an obnoxious dope, an embarrasment infact. But he was plugging the hottest office bitches in the company. As you had observed in your experience, it defied logic. Later only did I discover this dude always had drugs with him.

That said, it is nice to know there are chicks out there that do not go for dopers, however unfortunately it will almost be (99.99999% of the time) the hottest skags one meets that are chasing after drugs and money and materialism.

and remember:
Fellas next time she try and tell a lie
say she never suck a dick punch a bitch in the eye
and then the bitch will fall to the ground
open up her mouth put your dick in and move that shit around
and she’ll catch on and start doin’ it on her own
actin’ like she’s tryin’ to suck the meat off a chicken bone
and she won’t let go
’cause bitches suck nut out of a dick just like draino
get the last drop, unclogin’ that pipe
and the stupid bitch is out doin’ the same shit the next night
’cause she just can’t quit
’cause she’s addicted, addicted to suck a good dick

LOL! What’s funny is that I actually did this (minus the punch in the eye). I had a chick who never had and said she never would. Like MC Ren advised, I put my dick in and the rest happened exactly how he said.

yes he was…..and he wrote the best love song ever “I’d Rather Fuck With You”
I’d Rather Fuck With you Cause those other bitches wanna wine and dine
better hurry up and gimme something to bust this nut cause it’s check out time
she asked me to eat the pussy but i think ill pass (i don’t think so)
so get yo ass up you funky bitch and wash your ass

I am almost sad that there is a movie out because I have loved them ever since I was young and first heard them and was like “holy shit….wtf is this”

Introducing them to a new generation of people who don’t understand the musical dialectic and where they fit into the contemporary conversation at the time undermines how amazing they were. They may seem funny, witty or like good musicians but the ground breaking nature of NWA coming out in a time when the Fat Boys and Run DMC were hot was amazing. There was a serious conversation going on and real things happening in music…before the internet basically obliterated the idea of a single dialogue in any one particular art.

Glad that NWA is getting some modern props, but unless you saw the drastic change that their introduction into the musical dialogue created people will never understand.

It was amazing. They had a no holds barred approach to their music and they really didn’t give a fuck. People tried to ban it and couldn’t. The things that people accused Public Enemy of doing, NWA actually did, just to say “fuck you”.
Interestingly they taught a young man how to approach life, don’t any one, woman or man, tell you what to do. They turned the word “nigga” right around and laughed at the racists. It was great.

I believe it was MC Ren who also said:
I’m up in my car havin’ a fit
cause the bitch that im wit
said no fuckin’ on the first date shit
and im like damn
i wish i was in the bucket
to be the 6th nigga with that ho so i can fuck it
so i told the bitch i was with i was goin’ to the snack bar
and got the fuck out the car.

Nah I disagree. I met a girl once who took a principled stand against giving head. She said “no woman should put her head down there” and in many respects she reflected the woman the author talks about in the article. She was incredibly selfish, complaining that I would make her take the train over to my place instead of driving over there, bring her to my house, making her dinner (she “only” drank champagne and ate Black Forest Gatteau – I bought her the cheapo variants of both and she didn’t know the difference) and then driving her back home again, all on a school night.

She was a “10” and shallow, ignorant and coarse with it. I would pleasure her orally and then she would turn her head away when it was my turn. I had words with her about it and it was clear that she was used to getting her own way. What was worse she told me that her male friends agreed with her. I didn’t bother to point out that those chumps were only agreeing with her because they were hoping to be the next sucker.

Now as you can see from the above, I am no chump so I dumped that bitch for a chick that wasn’t happy unless my dick was in her mouth.

I suppose now, unless she tied down one of those chumps, she’s sucking dick like its her favorite cocktail after being dumped another half a dozen times.

No way is a man going to be with a chick when it means never getting a blowjob again.

“Trying to create a big list is silly, instead the article should focus on how to be that type of dominant man that gets all the blowjobs and pussy”

Not being a pussy is important, but even most important is being the guy that has something she wants ie drugs or money or status. Hint: it will never, never be a man’s dick or witty personality, or him. Females are parasite, they have no use for a man outside of the resources he posseses. Being alpha is good thing to do as a matter of being a man. But ultimately chicks suck dick for tangibles. Never forget that.

“I think that you’re ignoring the elephant in the room.” No I’m not–she’s shopping at Walmart. Seriously, back in the 80s when I was in college, at least you could count on a fat chick for a knob shine if it was close to closing time and you wanted to drop a load to get your weekend off to a good start. Shamu would get a little self-esteem boost (and maybe a cheeseburger from Hardee’s drive-thru) and the guy would get his gravy bags emptied. It was a win-win. Now, thanks to SJWs, the land whales just want the Hardee’s (which DOESN’T have a dollar menu, btw) without putting in the work.

Exactly, the girl who “hates” oral sex falls into one of two categories.
1) psychological/Medical reasons for it ie thinks all dicks are yucky or cannot suck a dick because she is bulimic
2) you haven’t made her horny enough for you. She might not suck your dick, but find me a man who a woman would rate as a 10/10, maybe 6’6 a rich handsome alpha male who dances and sings and tells jokes, she’d suck his dick until she gasped for air. It would be like a woman writing an article about men who “hate to kiss”. The only time I have hated to kiss a girl, and we all know it is true, when her face is terrible but her body is banging. We’ve all seen that girl with a 4/5 face but a 8-10 body. You don’t want to kiss her but you sure would fuck her.

Now now…some men do not have good hygiene and expect women to suck them off. Surely you realize why that is ridiculous. Just as men should not go down on women who stink, women should not feel pressured to give oral to men whose dicks smell like sweat and urine.

Some women are also shy. They need a patient and masterful man to teach them how to please in bed. I’m very grateful that my husband did not write me off as a prude just because I wouldn’t have sex with him immediately. He also taught me a lot about sex that I didn’t know before.

I agree that all women have a strong sex drive but the conditions have to be right. The level of comfort and bonding that I feel with my husband made it easy for me to try things with him that I could never do with anyone else.
The heady mix of dominance, seduction and pair bonding was impossible for me to resist.

If she’s REALLY into you, she’ll do it, swallow and LOVE it. I’ve had F-buddy situations were the sex was great and wild and the girl wanted to kiss hard but didn’t want it in her mouth and that was fine, but for an LTR it’s a must for her to be a keeper.

I actually agree with this… some girls just don’t like to swallow. I used to date a squirter… and i mean she really squirted a LOT… kind of like you see in porn. Once, she was over my face and i was eating it and she came and it went all down in my mouth… a lot of it. It was hot and kind of thick… i swear I almost threw up… even though I was totally turned on by her. I’m sure women are no different. When they swallow or eat it, it’s usually to please you, not them.

See I was with a squirter the first time and I freaked out because I thought she was pissing on me.
And I’m not into that R. Kelly shit.
“Thick” eh? What I experienced was thin and salty. Maybe she was pissing on me? :-
They all pissed on me in one way or the other. It was only a matter of time before checking that box off I guess.

Nowadays, every time the sprinklers come on, Dr Jeep shields himself with a blankie and sips hot chocolate from one of those oversized and useless mugs.
Ever thought of calling your friends for emotional support?

Yeah, its just pee. I dont know when this “squirting” business became the supposed norm for proof of female orgasm/bragging points.

Funny how now every other girl now claims to “squirt” now that porn is so widely available. I dont mind it personally. Biologically it’s possible that some women just loose control when the pelvic floor starts spasming.

That said, in my experience most girls are as surprised as you when it happens, and I suspect the slutty non-porn pro-squirters are merely attempting to replicate the male orgasm.

Ya know, as most modern whores are hardwired to do. Cus ya know, to be purely feminine isn’t an accomplishment in and of itself. They just have to always measure themselves to and outdo men to find value in themselves.

How could you possible know? How do you know the girls who swallowed weren’t just sluts? I agree that if a girl is really into you she will perform oral even if that’s not her thing. But swallowing? That’s just something that women either do or don’t do.

when i was young, inexperienced and very beta i was with a lot of women who didn’t like to swallow. i accepted it. then i dated a cock starved nymphomaniac who liked to have sex multiple times a day and loved swallowing my seed. after that, i just kind of expected it and i think i projected that, so every girl since her has swallowed, admittedly with varying levels of enthusiasm.

I put oral sex in the same “indicator zone” as so-called “doggie style”.
You see if a woman is really getting the tingles for you, and you get her from behind, she will automatically arch her back to take the penis.
But if she’s not into you, that arching won’t happen. If you are slipping out a lot, it means she’s letting you fuck her for “some other reason” or motivation and you should be wary of that.
( I have a theory that our cave-dwelling ancestors used the doggie style position for horny raw dogging between non-intimate men and women as either party can get out and split faster. This is a start contrast to the standard missionary position, which men are wired to compare to spiders. In Greek mythology the spiders came from a woman who was converted into a spider by a goddess for example. The woman also has a huge and strong man on her too. That position was for couples who were intimate as it required a lot of trust. )
Oral sex is roughly in the same realm. If she goes down on the penis like it was the only source of water in all of Death Valley chances are she likes the D and the person it’s attached to. But if she’s half-assed at it and not some 18 year old virgin fresh from an all girls Catholic school, then a man should be wary of her intentions. I would also have to add that you best endeavor to keep a cleaner wiener as it’s apt to have the same effect as trying to go down on a stinky pussy.
For me, and most fellows I have known who have had an opinion on this, it’s the same as going down on a pussy. If she’s hot and her mere presence is outright boner fuel and/or you are really into her, sucking on that pussy is no problem. But if she’s full of drama and baggage and you are already having head full of her crap and games chances are you won’t be going for your serving of bearded clam with the same gusto.
Add to that she has some stank too. If a woman expect you to gorge on the muffin but is not taking care to keep it clean and stink free, that too is questionable motive. She’s being entitled and chances are (per my personal experience) she will express entitlement mindset in other aspects meaning she will take up other resources like your money and time and not even think to put back into your life any value equal to that which she has taken out.
It’s almost like you have to have sex with them to really get to know them (go figure).

wow. that’s interesting. Never thought of that.
I think the same is true for girls going down on you. If they are giving you a bj and you reach down and they aren’t wet at all… they probably aren’t that into you sexually and have another motivator. When you reach down and it feels like a bucket of slugs… well, they like the D.

Theory is all that it is, based on my observations (and having done various positions with various women of variable levels of them liking me).
I’ll run it by some more edumacated types I know in the fields of paleontology and psychology and see what they have to say about it.

I heard another obnoxious radio ad today for Viagra / ED / premature ejaculation (no such thing, a guy cums when he is ready, there’s nothing good or bad about his timing), and the guy in the ad was saying how the doctor told him he had a treatment that would allow him to last up to 30 minutes. He ends the ad by saying, “Plus I don’t have a sore back from sleeping on the couch all the time!”

This sickened me on many levels. The idea that your wife would kick you out of your own bed in your own house because you weren’t fucking her sufficiently is gross. On top of that, the guy is expected to last an amount of time that pleases the woman, which as Roosh has pointed out, the male orgasm is of prime importance, the female is not important at all, but can be a nice bonus.

I started thinking about my past experiences, and while there are some biological problems which can make sex difficult for some guys, I bet the vast majority of cases it’s hard to get it up and want to fuck the wife because she is so unattractive (physically and personality) and unfeminine. After all, you never hear about penis problems in traditional countries with feminine women, it is mainly a US phenomenon.

I bet you could solve the majority of the cases if you just got the woman to dress feminine, put her long hair down, wear some heels and a cute outfit, have her smile and submit lovingly to her husband. The small other cues we pick up on like arching their back to take you doggy style, swallowing the dick like it is their only source of food, and being eager to please with other details are also important nuances that guys will pick up on.

On the other hand, if you want to get a boner that lasts more than a few seconds with the typical bitchy whiny entitled tatted Americunt landwhale, yes, drugs are your best option.

My guess is that the doggie position is just a evolutionary hang-over from the time we walked on four legs like a doggie.
But I love it. Its such a dominating position. Sometimes I like to just grab a chick, bend her over, lift that skirt up and BOOM!
You really feel like you are taking her and there is something deeply primal about it.

You sound like my husband. He LOVES bending me over while I’m wearing a dress. Hubby says that seeing me with my dress up and my panties down, reminds him of how much I turn him on because he couldn’t even wait to take all of my clothes off. Adding some hard slaps on my ass reinforces the message that my husband is my king.

I can understand why a woman would not want to go down on some random guy. However, not wanting to please a man she loves is disturbing on many levels. A woman in love should take pleasure in serving her king. When I kneel and look in my husband’s eyes as I take him in my mouth, I see it as sharing pleasure and caring for him.

“If a woman expect you to gorge on the muffin but is not taking care to keep it clean and stink free, that too is questionable motive. ” – – – yeah, she’s gonna give you HPV that will lead into THROAT CANCER! >:I F*CK THAT SH*T! >:I

If any sex act I like is off the table, I’m moving on. The rest of my life is a long time to go without blowjobs.

It goes both ways of course. If being handcuffed to the headboard once in awhile is important to my wife and I’m too selfish to bust out the handcuffs once a month or so, I deserve to lose her. (Ironically, society recognizes that selfishness in bed is a bad thing when a man is doing it. )

I was not being selfish in bed when my (now ex) wife wanted to be spanked.
Spanked until she bled all over the place. And beaten. Yes she wanted to be beaten too.
You know, when a woman wants that because it turns her on, but that does not turn you on, but you don’t want to be selfish, well, I’ve been down that road.
It’s not fun when there’s blood all over the place and she’s blowing a nut and your squirming like a toad in your own mind thinking “OMG all this blood this looks like a murder scene!”.
It’s funny if, say, she’s a furry and you are not and it’s like “no I’m not wearing that”. But I get the nutjob who wants to be wife-beaten.
When I told her I simply could not bring myself to doing that any more, she stopped all sex, would not even sleep in the same bed with me, and got fat.
Notice I said “ex”. That was the only thing I could do.

damn. i was once with a little college girl who loved spankings. it was kind of hot. i liked the little sounds she would make when i was smacking her behind, but the bruising i inflicted on her kind of worried me. don’t think i could have handled drawing actual blood.

Yeah it’s fun the first time or two, then it loses its “edge” for lack of a better term, and I start to wonder why she can’t enjoy just a plain fucking.. probably because after 300 dicks it’s just not doing anything for her unless you get super kinky.

In today*s society, girls understand that the vagina is sacred and values a lot in order to bag a High Value Male. But none the less they explicitly tell you that they will suck your dick and let you fuck them in the ass but no vagina.

There is no such thing as a prude, the Madonna and the whore are the same woman. Also just because she doesn’t like to suck your dick doesn’t mean that she doesn’t deep throat the dude that lives across town from you. I can see the author is lacking experience in sexual dynamics

You know why guys like blow jobs so much? It’s the only way to get something straight into a woman’s head.

Seriously, if she won’t do me the favor of a skull fuck, there’s no way in hell I’m gonna tongue her taco. Oh, and I don’t mean she just holds it like a lollipop and gives it a few tentative licks; I’m talking slurping and juggling the twins with some enthusiasm. If she wants me to perform lingual somersaults, she’d better put on a show, too.

Women are just as sexual as guys are. Its their job and conditioning to ACT like a prude or reseved OUT of the bedroom. Its the mans job to be dominant and hold frame. Always be teasing or keep a certain level sexual undercurrent all the time.Flirting, touching/ kino, recalling the last session in private conversation.
Foreplay starts in conversation throughout the day. Women have a switch at the right time.They want to get fucked. It just takes a dominant confident man to get in to the mindset of a good/nasty girl and do what you want.They want you to lead because they’ve been conditioned that sex is for sluts but they want to get fucked good and hard. Thats why they cheat. If you dont lead and dominate her and she’s not getting fullfilled romanticly and sexually, she will find a bad boy to do it. It takes a lot of work to establish yourself as the dominant leader and gain respect as a masculine man but once you do, she respects you, she will follow your lead and she will do what you TELL her to do in bed. She doesnt want to take accountability for being nasty.Its up to you to lead her and take responsibility for her to get nasty and slutty. Check out anything David Shade has out. Its priceless info.

Great comment, I would argue that women are actually more sexual than men. The average male sexual fantasy is a threesome with two girls. Women fantasize about gangbangs, rape(or both) and other debauch shit

True, and they talk about the nastiest raunchiest details that most men wouldn’t share with each other. The degree of most detail about a bang from a dude: “Man, I banged her last night, it was great” From a chick: “Yeah so he went down on me but I was on my period and didn’t tell him so I started bleeding and then I got him to fuck me in the ass and stuck a finger up his butt and blah blah blah”

“Oh my lover do my very bones ache to feel thy sweet caress
How I’ve yearned to hear thee calling me to free thee from
thy dress
I have spent all day in dreaming of thy smooth and supple skin
How I pray the night to swiftly come so I may make you come
again

Oh my lover where now have thou gone? I seek but do not find
If thee be over at thy mother’s then, I think I’ll lose my
mind!
For whene’er thou goes to see her, she puts folly in thy head
And with thy mind so thusly addled there’s too much
distance in our bed

Oh my lover I‘ve no need nor will to move myself to violence
For a member in thy mouth will keep thee well and truly
silent
But before thou feel thee need riposte with thy mother’s sly rejoinder
Remember thy father is a man as I, and his method the same to
silence her.”
– Oral Silences.

For the most part – yes. Although I did once get a really nice hummer from this very liberal short haired, hard driving professional gal. Damn did she gobble my cock with gusto and swallowed to boot. She’s the only one I ever knew to defy that assessment

I went up to this girl, she said, Hi, my name is Sheena
I thought she’d be good to go with a little Funky Cold Medina
She said, I’d like a drink, I said, Ehm, ok, I’ll go get it
Then a couple sips, she cold licked her lips
And I knew that she was with it

So, I took her to my crib and everything went well as planned
But when she got undressed, it was a big old mess, Sheena was a man
So, I threw him out, I don’t fool around with no Oscar Meyer wiener
You must be sure that the girl is pure for the Funky Cold Medina

IF SHE WON’T SUCK regularly, then she thinks her yapper is too sacred for you and she’ll in time use her mouth words against you. Be it her gobbler or her twat, she’s the knob on the end of your joystick. I once had a woman who wouldn’t suck and not only that, she’d actually bitch out loud while she was being fucked. She had a dead nerve for one thing and would only org and shut up if I fisted her and flipped my arm around like a car buffer. Too much work. She was all labor. So kudos to the author about pointing out the women who won’t suck. Think twice about LTR with a woman who doesn’t suck regularly and love it.

In any LTR you learn in time that convo with a woman is pointless. She clucks like a chicken and no real dominant man hears or understands clucking. When she clucks, then grunt like a caveman and whip your dick out ”ooonga. . aaah?”. THAT she understands and can communicate with her core. If she bitches, in her core she needs to get fucked. If she talks period, it’s because she’s not getting fucked . . or maybe she’s hungry. If she wants to run in circles with table talk about her ‘plans’ or brilliant ‘ideas’, then she really needs to be fucked. Respond with ”mmmm! . . yagayaga . . humpa-LUMPAAH??:)” An LTR relationship will either devolve into incessant bitching OR it can evolve into a happy union held by the bonds of the ‘sex ese’ that you and your woman develop. I prefer to steer things towards the direction of the grunting primal ‘SEX ESE’. My background is in rocket science by the way. Lololol

I hooked up with one woman that would say she didn’t give bj’s unless she was dating/close with the other person. Let me just say, that was a lie, and she gave the most incredible head I had ever had (at that point at least).

I wish i had read this article years ago, back in my beta days especially. It would have saved me lots of time, resources and wasted feeling.

This article should be printed out and put in the “single Man’s guide to surviving the bs of dating” binder.

It’s essential reading for those of you just starting out in the dating rat race.

While (oral) sex isn’t everything a woman can offer (if you’re looking for a relationship, marriage etc) for a younger guy just starting out in life it practically is. What normal non emasculated guy wants to settle when he first starts out?

When it comes to oral sex itself, if you are with someone who doesn’t like it or doesn’t do it often DO NOT go down on them. When you compare them side by side, there really is no good reason for you to go down on them anyway or at least often. The more you do that the more likely you are to get throat cancer…just ask the pac man of cunningulus himself, Michael Douglas…he will tell you why it’s better to receive than give there.

Sperm carries with it a plethora of vitamins that are actually beneficial for a female to ingest…not so with female lubricant. There is practically no positive involved (for you anyway) in drinking her vag slurpees…i once had a sore throat for a couple of days, i swear this girl tasted like some kind of acid. It felt like i was going down on one of those things from the “alien” movies.

Females have a strong habit of only putting their needs as a priority and putting yours on the back burner. It’s because of that emo-instinctual foundation that they behave like spoiled children who try to get everything they want when they want and your needs are considered a distant 10th. This is no less true for oral than it is for most everything else.

In an ideal world all you would need to give them is the D for them to be happy, but this isn’t an ideal world at least not anymore.

Now we practically have to bail them out of hardships, cater to their silly and frequent emo moments, and “talk” with them as if that is what we really needed and that is what they really wanted. Screw them, NOT that.

Any female that tells you that they want a guy who “talks” is full of shit.

What she REALLY wants is a guy who will LISTEN.

There’s a big difference there.

“Talk” means there is an equal opportunity for discussion with an equal means to express feelings, needs, and disappointments.

In a female’s mind however, this only flows one way. You are expected to listen to her talk while she expresses her feelings, needs and disappointments while doing no talking of your own. God help you if you raise a point of disagreement.

If a Man doesn’t put that bullshit in check and fast she will walk all over him. From the first moment a female realizes she can exert her p power over a male, she will do so and mercilessly. You don’t need to smack em (not literally anyway although it’s tempting lol) you just need to show them you’re not going to be p whipped. The sooner you do it the better.

If you think she’s worth a relationship even after she says she’s “not into oral” good luck. You can try to wear down her defenses to see if she’s just being coy there but if she is totally serious, chances are good you’re dealing with a girl who is more feminist than feminine and if that’s the case…you need to get the hell out of dodge and immediately. Your feelings, wallet and sanity will thank you for it.

I would add don’t seek any type of relationship with a woman who will not swallow. I find this really important if you are having sex with the woman and routinely wear a condom. Must be something about “accepting your seed” into their body that really shows they want you as a man.

Ive wasted the most important oath of my life on a cold woman. Dont make my mistake. My only solace in life is working towards my dream career. Id thought of leaving her or finding fulfillment elsewhere, but as a matter of honour, I’m no oathbreaker.

I don’t think a married man breaks his oath if his wife is the one refusing to have sex with him. Implicit in the idea of monogamy is that both parties will be open to satisfying each others reasonable sexual needs. If one party refuses then they are breaking the marital contract and the other party can invoke the remedy of finding sex elsewhere.

Ask your boss for a leave of absence for a month or two. Then tell her you got fired and sit on your ass in front of the tv whenever she’s home. Cry into your pillow if you can fake it. Talk about how you have to downsize your life because of lack of money. Within days you will get the divorce papers.

A good divorce attorney would unravel that BS in about 10 seconds. Plus, alimony and child support is generally based on your future earning potential, based on your earning history and not necessarily based on your current financial condition.

I see it like this; having to deal with negative situations on a daily basis, is a drain on the soul. If you’re an attorney that’s driven purely by money, and having to wade through all of the BS accusations of both parties, the awful fighting over the children and assets and the constant searching for skeletons in the closets of all of the opposing litigants… well if that doesn’t bother you… you might be a sociopath. Someone that would choose that line of work, as an attorney, when there are so many other fields of work under this occupation, that person probably has issues. It’s like the proctologist… why?

I got out of prosecuting, just because I got tired of having to deal with the scum of the Earth on a daily basis.

Women who are into you want you to be attracted to them sexually which is why they will do things for you they won’t do for their beta bux. Women I’ve been involved with like me pushing for sex if we’re doing something mundane because it shows you want her. Women like that feeling that you find her so sexy you can’t help yourself when you’re with her and it shows you’re man who takes the lead. You often hear about women having rape fantasy, it’s not the actual rape that women get turned in by it’s being a object if a mans desire that is so strong he can’t control himself.

“Why would any man, of any age, be with a woman if he does not want to fuck her?”

Good point. Early in my dating days after I made a chick cum I would hold back on letting her make me orgasm. It gave me a sense of power and control because I instinctively knew that she, being a woman, could try to use her sexuality to try to manipulate me. However needless to say it prompted me to ask myself “What the fuck am I doing?”.

Best way to be sexual with a chick and not be manipulated
is by one night stands, pump and dump or be willing to walk away at the slightest hint of bullshit behavior from her.

I wouldn’t say that these rules are universal. Some women just don’t like doing it and don’t fit into any of these categories. But, one thing is for sure: if a girl is really into you, she will do it even if it’s not her thing.

Blow jobs is a skill in bed that women should develop most of the time man is in the lead, letting a woman suck your dick is giving her a role she can feel important and skilled in feminists should be in line with blow jobs it’s sex equality

My ex wife – a short haired, PHD, feminist – gave me head (barely) 2 times in the 5 years we were married. I was a beta before I met her and the entire time we were married. After our divorce I read No More Mr Nice Guy, then The Player by Neil Strauss – my life only got better after that. Once I discovered game and gained confidence I only had one woman out of the many I fucked who would not blow me. When she refused I never contacted her ever again. After a few weeks she began texting me. I never broke frame. My rule: No BJ, No second chances.

Yes, it is true – all women squirt (no, it’s not pee), all women swallow, all women love anal, and all women love-love-love to suck cock . . . IF they’re into you. If they are not into you, then they had better be hourly, not salaried.

Guy I know was getting married. His fiancé sucked him off a few days before the wedding and told him, “I hope you enjoyed that, it’s the last one you’ll be getting.” This BEFORE he got married and he still went through with it. He’s now separated and going to get divorce raped.

“I hope you enjoyed that, it’s the last one you’ll be getting.”
-> Shit test. He failed. I must say that this woman must have reallllly liked him, because she gave him such a clear signal.

The correct course of action would have been something like this: “If you talk to me like this ever again, the wedding is canceled. As my wife your first duty is to make sure my sex life is good. If you cant do that, why on earth would any man want to marry you?”

Yes. No response whatsoever, ignore completely, Eject and next. It is very empowering for your frame. Or if you are compelled to say something, I’ve used this one before ejecting – “What was that? I don’t speak Whore”

What women hate oral? I *tell* girls they are going to suck my dick. I might phrase it gently, like they are going to ‘please me with their mouths’, but seriously, what girl DOESN’T suck dick these days?

Past experience tells of the types of women and where oral sex stands
1/ Women that love giving and receiving – she probably fantasised about doing it prior to her first sexual experience she may have even practised the act on a banana or similar.
2/ Women that loving giving oral sex but hate receiving for what ever reason.
3/ Women for some reason never gave or received oral sex then for some reason could be the man she is with or hits a certain stage in life and becomes addicted.
4/ Women that only perform oral sex occasionally most likely she is in a naughty mood.
5/ Women that hate giving or receiving, nothing can change her this could because of a religious upbringing, cultural beliefs etc

There’s only one reason you need to know on why a girl won’t suck your dick….she’s just not into you.

If a girl likes you/respects you/is attracted to you then she will love to have your dick in her mouth. If the blowjobs stop then it’s time to move on because she is either cheating on you or views you as beta, weak, & low value.

While there are parts of this article that I like and agree with and, overall, I enjoyed reading it, I feel there is a dangerous and erroneous undercurrent here.

I think it is obvious that the author here is talking about long term feasibility for dating or even marriage in the future as he talks about relationship in terms of years.

I have been thinking about this a lot lately. While, of course, for your standard pump and dump, like anyone, I want a girl who will suck my balls dry and make me say wow (as well as fuck me 8 ways to Tuesday) I feel that sexual aptitude is a very poor quality in a long term prospect.

Of course, #2 in this article as being able and, indeed, willing to submit is very important for the reasons stated. However, being willing to submit to giving a blow job and loving to suck cock are two very different things. Trust me when I say that no girl grabs a cock for the first time, puts in in her mouth and curls your toes. Sucking cock well takes practice and experience as well as enthusiasm. I would much rather have, for a long term prospect, a modest girl who will submit to training than a girl who jumps right in to gobbling me balls deep.

In fact, I would go further than that and say that if I were looking for a long term prospect, any girl who fucks me so good that I think about it for the next few days is automatically off that list.

Ever look at a girl and just know: that’s not a girl who will let you fuck her in the ass….that’s a girl who will ask for it? Ever have a girl open your pants and suck your cock so good you thought the world would end as she emptied your balls without stopping? Those girls are like that for a reason. They have a ton of sexual experience, probably some diseases and, more likely than not, issues with their fathers and are somewhere on a poor mental health spectrum.

I don’t mean to pontificate here, this is only my current thinking on the subject and, as I grow, all my thoughts are subject to change with good evidence and argument. I am never closed off completely. But, for now, I have to believe that while a long term dating prospect ought to be willing to do whatever you require of her, she should have some bit of trepidation. The ideal situation, I think, for a long term prospect, would be a total prude who opens herself up to your desires and whims, submits and gives her body fully to you after you have won her over. This way, when she kisses you you don’t have to think about the 100 cocks that were in that mouth already.

Modesty is good….so long, as Robert Heinlein said, she takes her modesty off with her clothing and does her whorish best….with the one man who wins her over.

I never give advice to anyone as I feel that every situation is different. All I can say is that I made that decision once and it was the worst thing I ever did….in a life of stupid mistakes and hard learned lessons, this was the dumbest and hardest learned.

85% of males are beta males or worse. For these guys females have lower to no sex-drive. Reason: For women quality of their man matters more than just thrusts.

Only an alpha male is able to provide the sex women want (it is not penis seize or any technique, it is who you are. Game helps more than a penis pump guys) and once they get used to the idea of multiple orgasm and oxitocin showers they cant get enough of it. Once or twice (or more) per day when she is near ovulation is absolutly no problem for a woman. Even if she is 40+ and married to her alpha husband for 20+ years this fact will not change.

Those men who have too little sex in their marriage need to up their passive value and game. The woman is never the problem, the man is.

Agree. I’m 41 -wife is 39 and during ovulation we will fuck sometimes up to 3 times a day. The rest of the month we usually fuck minimum of 3 times a week. She orgasms 90% of the time we have sex. She blows me whenever I want it.
One of the keys to my success: Im selfish and although I love her- I don’t take her too seriously. She knows this and works overtime to please and cater to me in all ways.
I could have never had this type of marriage without having ditched my beta way of thinking and gaming a bunch of women – before I met her. I learned the key to success with women was to not take them seriously and to always make them qualify for my attention.

The (in)famous Roissy/Heartiste considers the notion that women’s sex drive is as high as men’s as utterly preposterous. I’m prone to believe him. No man has charted the deep, dark recesses of female sexuality and come out jaded and disillusioned like he has.

On the other hand, perhaps women perform oral sex now as a form of rejection. A woman who has gotten undressed with a man and realizes that the situation has gotten out of control will suck on his penis to keep it away from her vagina.

Honestly … I’m not really into the blowjob …It’s cool for a minute or 2… I’ve had a great deal of women perform this act on my member & only about 3 or 4 of them really knew what they were doing, bein all sloppy & what not…
Dangerous too … You can wear a condom for sex, but a flavored condom for a BJ is a tough sell… & there’s just a lot of broads with bad breath in Colorado not worthy of putting their mouth around my hog.

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