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In conversation with Tessa Nicholson. On student exchange in the United States, Dame Anne Salmond felt out of her depth answering questions about Māori culture.

The Gisborne teen put this to rights by studying anthropology at Auckland University and embracing the mentorship of kaumatua. The rest, as they say, is history. Hear about Anne's own history, studded with academic success, environmental leadership, international recognition and that wonderful ability to help Pakeha and Māori cross the cultural divide in her detailed, yet accessible writing.