grampi wrote:I KNOW I'm part of the majority...it's no big secret that the vast majority of people want the Redskins name to stay, so I don't see how anyone could think I'm part of ANY fringe group...

Oh you're clearly part of a fringe.

How do you figure? It's a fact that MOST people want the name change issue to go away and for the name to remain the same...

I want the name to remain the same too, but I completely disagree with your arguments and your opinion of the opposition. So, one of us is in the fringe. I'm going with you and your nutty tea party arguments.

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hanburgerheel wrote:My brother and I were at the HHH Metrodome for the Vikings game and were decked-out in full Redskin regalia and did not see ONE, SINGLE PROTESTOR anywhere around the entire stadium! We saw no one.

hanburgerheel wrote:My brother and I were at the HHH Metrodome for the Vikings game and were decked-out in full Redskin regalia and did not see ONE, SINGLE PROTESTOR anywhere around the entire stadium! We saw no one.

They showed hundreds of them on television last night.

Really? When? I must have been peeing or something.

I think it was immediately after the game went off, they switched to NBC News 4 and showed an aerial shot of it. Or mabye it was a commercial promo for the upcoming news. Either way, there was a lot of people protesting.

I think it was immediately after the game went off, they switched to NBC News 4 and showed an aerial shot of it. Or mabye it was a commercial promo for the upcoming news. Either way, there was a lot of people protesting.

I'm in Atlanta, I don't get the local DC news. I watched the game on NFLN

Nearly 700 protesters marched 20 blocks to the Metrodome on Thursday night, rallying in hopes that the Washington Redskins football team will change its mascot name, as the squad was in town to play the Minnesota Vikings.

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grampi wrote:How do you figure? It's a fact that MOST people want the name change issue to go away and for the name to remain the same...

Btw why do you think this is even a relevant fact? Most people want the name to stay the same so therefore we shouldn't change it? That's completely false.

I'm sure in 1920 the majority of men were against allowing women to vote. Did that somehow mean they were right because they were "in the majority"? Was George Wallace right to block the doors because the majority of people in Alabama were against integration?

I'm not arguing that these situations are comparable to the name change. But popular opinion and being "in the majority" does not mean what you're implying it does.

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it does not really matter about how many OR why people are offended by the team's name … all that matters is that Dan Snyder has considered the pros and cons and he has decided that the name is not offensive TO HIM

THAT IS ALL THAT MATTERS - it's his team and he does not feel that the name is offensive

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I hope those that are offended take great offense at the fact that Roger Goodell is not forcing Dan to change the name - he's an ass

P A T I E N C E - Snyder needs to just 'butt out' and give Scot time to figure out who he needs in the FO, who he needs as the HC and what players fit what he thinks is a good system for this franchise - it's a mess & it will take time

SkinsJock wrote:it does not really matter about how many OR why people are offended by the team's name … all that matters is that Dan Snyder has considered the pros and cons and he has decided that the name is not offensive TO HIM

THAT IS ALL THAT MATTERS - it's his team and he does not feel that the name is offensive

Yeah, yeah, nobody can legally change the name but Dan Snyder. What does that have to do with anything?

It doesn't change the fact that there is a loud public debate about the name going on right now. It doesn't change the facts of the argument or the fact that 700+ people were out there protesting or that the national media is hammering him on it. The issue isn't whether or not Snyder can or wants to change the name. The issue is whether or not the Native Americans can bring enough pressure on him to make him change the name.

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I guess my point is that Dan has heard from the fans, he has discussed the issue with Roger and he has thought about the concerns of those that feel the name is offensive and should be changed

AFTER all that thought and consideration, Dan has decided to keep the name …

it appears that there are still people that are convinced that some how, some way, Dan should be made to change the name ….

WHY - he thought about it and he's decided to keep the name

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those that do not agree should stop wasting everyone's time by continuing a 'debate' that is OVER

P A T I E N C E - Snyder needs to just 'butt out' and give Scot time to figure out who he needs in the FO, who he needs as the HC and what players fit what he thinks is a good system for this franchise - it's a mess & it will take time

riggofan - do you honestly think that there is even a slight chance that Dan Snyder is going to change his mind

that's the answer - now, we all know that those opposed to the name do not really know Snyder very well but someone should 'educate' them and MAYBE they could spend their energies trying (I'm sure this will not be easy) to do something worthwhile …. for a change

P A T I E N C E - Snyder needs to just 'butt out' and give Scot time to figure out who he needs in the FO, who he needs as the HC and what players fit what he thinks is a good system for this franchise - it's a mess & it will take time

riggofan...Here is why I don't think the people protesting the team name have a legitimate argument. The team name, used in this context, is being used in a positive way. There is nothing derogatory about naming a sports team the Redskins, or any other Indian name for that matter. Now if someone, or some organization was calling this group, or any other group of native Americans Redskins, THEN they would have a reason to protest. As it is, the protesters are misdirecting their anger, and I believe they know it's misdirected and are doing so solely because they know going this route will garner them the most media attention. And what's with the Tea Party comment? Does literally EVERYTHING have to be tied to some political position?

SkinsJock wrote:riggofan - do you honestly think that there is even a slight chance that Dan Snyder is going to change his mind

I'm worried that could be the case. Snyder is strong-willed, no doubt, but the public pressure has been intense. I think he survives this particular wave, though, which should set things up for another 10 years or so. (Maybe I'm being excessively optimistic.)

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SkinsJock wrote:riggofan - do you honestly think that there is even a slight chance that Dan Snyder is going to change his mind

I'm worried that could be the case. Snyder is strong-willed, no doubt, but the public pressure has been intense. I think he survives this particular wave, though, which should set things up for another 10 years or so. (Maybe I'm being excessively optimistic.)

I believe that, while there has been a lot of pressure, Snyder thinks he's got a lot of support to keep the name and that he's being 'bullied' to make a change …

P A T I E N C E - Snyder needs to just 'butt out' and give Scot time to figure out who he needs in the FO, who he needs as the HC and what players fit what he thinks is a good system for this franchise - it's a mess & it will take time

SkinsJock wrote:it does not really matter about how many OR why people are offended by the team's name … all that matters is that Dan Snyder has considered the pros and cons and he has decided that the name is not offensive TO HIM

THAT IS ALL THAT MATTERS - it's his team and he does not feel that the name is offensive

Yeah, yeah, nobody can legally change the name but Dan Snyder. What does that have to do with anything?

It doesn't change the fact that there is a loud public debate about the name going on right now. It doesn't change the facts of the argument or the fact that 700+ people were out there protesting or that the national media is hammering him on it. The issue isn't whether or not Snyder can or wants to change the name. The issue is whether or not the Native Americans can bring enough pressure on him to make him change the name.

SkinsJock wrote:riggofan - do you honestly think that there is even a slight chance that Dan Snyder is going to change his mind

I'm worried that could be the case. Snyder is strong-willed, no doubt, but the public pressure has been intense. I think he survives this particular wave, though, which should set things up for another 10 years or so. (Maybe I'm being excessively optimistic.)

I believe it is coming and I hope I am wrong. For example... In the PC world things change as in the words negro,African American, Black and so on. If you were to call a group something, that was used and never meant to be an insult, they still might be offended (even if they call themselves that and that is the pc way of putting things at that time). In this case I believe it is Snyders fault for saying NEVER in caps. I laughed when he said it, but now I wished he never did.

It was probably just going to blow over like usual if he never said that. I am also looking at the tiny group that was offended that is now growing because people are telling them they should be offended and what wrongs with you join the cause. This snowball rolling down the hill is getting bigger. If it goes to court and the Redskins win it still wont end until the Supreme court judges it. I know that sounds far fetched but, I am trying to explain how this can actually turn out to be what we thought would never happen. There is also the pressure (financially) that could change his mind.