Why cant we just suit up a spare forward as a Dman? Im sure Emdog would play D instead of sitting.

I like where you are going with this, after all we've used extra D-men to fill in when we were short on forwards, but not sure if Emmerton is the forward I'd want to put back at D, call me crazy but I'd put Helm at D if he can go Friday, he's the most effective defensive forward we have not named Datsyuk.

I like where you are going with this, after all we've used extra D-men to fill in when we were short on forwards, but not sure if Emmerton is the forward I'd want to put back at D, call me crazy but I'd put Helm at D if he can go Friday, he's the most effective defensive forward we have not named Datsyuk.

Putting Brett Lebda on your 4th line and playing him 5 minutes in that position is not the same as dressing a 3rd/4th line forward as a defenseman. While your suggestion of dressing Helm in that slot is mildly more palatable than the previous suggestion of Emmerton, the transition is difficult.Very few forwards would be capable of just switching over to defense, especially with 2 days of preparation.

Regardless, hopefully Kindl will be back (as is expected) and this will be irrelevant.

Putting Brett Lebda on your 4th line and playing him 5 minutes in that position is not the same as dressing a 3rd/4th line forward as a defenseman. While your suggestion of dressing Helm in that slot is mildly more palatable than the previous suggestion of Emmerton, the transition is difficult.Very few forwards would be capable of just switching over to defense, especially with 2 days of preparation.

Regardless, hopefully Kindl will be back (as is expected) and this will be irrelevant.

You are making good points. I just dont like renting a guy for one game at 750K. Thats dumb. Ericcson and Kindle shpuld fill holes by Friday.

Kronwall-Ericsson
Quincey-Smith
Lashoff-Kindl

Huskins picking his butt for 750k.

Play with 5 until you can move your guys around that are already in the system and already getting paid.

What should've Ken done in that situation? I am a big critic of Ken, but every single move he makes doesn't warrant whining. Huskins played well last night. Hell, better than that dolt Quincey, who we're paying $3 million/year.

My point is, I don't see why the Huskins deal is anything to cry about. It's not like Ken was gonna get Dan Girardi here for $750,000.

Thats 15 mil of s***. We need NONE of these players. What we needed was Parise and Suter. But Holland is too stupid to see that we'd be better off going with an 18 man roster of GOOD players than a 23 man roster of crappy washed up has been other teams' rejects. I cant believe people cant see Holland's incompetence yet. Its no wonder star ufa's are avoiding Detroit like the plague. Holland is too concerned about Holmstrom and Bertuzzi's golden parachutes.

Thats 15 mil of s***. We need NONE of these players. What we needed was Parise and Suter. But Holland is too stupid to see that we'd be better off going with an 18 man roster of GOOD players than a 23 man roster of crappy washed up has been other teams' rejects. I cant believe people cant see Holland's incompetence yet. Its no wonder star ufa's are avoiding Detroit like the plague. Holland is too concerned about Holmstrom and Bertuzzi's golden parachutes.

I happen to agree with you regarding Samuelsson and Bertuzzi's contracts. There was definitely no reason to give Samuelsson a NTC. In my opinion, it was idiotic to give Bertuzzi that second year. Quincey has been a big failure this far. Overpayment.

However, PARISE AND SUTER WENT TO MINNESOTA FOR FAMILY. THEY WEREN'T COMING HERE ANYWAY. Neither of them are worth the idiotic contracts that Minnesota gave them. Yikes. Holland has made stupid moves, but overpaying for either of these overrated pansies would've been majorly stupid moves.

Also, players like Tootoo are desperately needed here. He's basically our only source of snarl and constant physicality up front. In my opinion, more players that play a similar style to his are needed.

I already explained the Huskins situation to you, but you never directly replied.

Thats 15 mil of s***. We need NONE of these players. What we needed was Parise and Suter. But Holland is too stupid to see that we'd be better off going with an 18 man roster of GOOD players than a 23 man roster of crappy washed up has been other teams' rejects. I cant believe people cant see Holland's incompetence yet. Its no wonder star ufa's are avoiding Detroit like the plague. Holland is too concerned about Holmstrom and Bertuzzi's golden parachutes.

Gustavsson = needed, we didn't have a legit backup to challenge howie before now.

tootoo = needed, he has brought a level of energy and excitement we only got from helm before, but mixed with grit and a good physical presence

colo = the only decent dman Holland could land after everything was picked through

huskins = a cheap stop gap, considering we didn't have enough dmen, hence why he was signed on game day yesterday.

Thats 15 mil of s***. We need NONE of these players. What we needed was Parise and Suter. But Holland is too stupid to see that we'd be better off going with an 18 man roster of GOOD players than a 23 man roster of crappy washed up has been other teams' rejects. I cant believe people cant see Holland's incompetence yet. Its no wonder star ufa's are avoiding Detroit like the plague. Holland is too concerned about Holmstrom and Bertuzzi's golden parachutes.

The only reason that we had the money to talk to Parise and Suter was because we had players on lower level contracts. If you want elite players, some of your other players will be of the quality of those you listed. In your ideal world (I assume) none of those players would be here and we'd have Parise and Suter. But then who fills those remaining roster spots? Parise and Suter are two players. The people who would fill the other roster spots would be B-level players such as the very players you listed.

So what this really is, is that Holland set his roster up with the expectation of landing the two big fish. Your argument about that dead weight is really just re-hashing the same criticism that's seemingly never-ending here: that we couldn't land Parise and Suter.

I happen to agree with you regarding Samuelsson and Bertuzzi's contracts. There was definitely no reason to give Samuelsson a NTC. In my opinion, it was idiotic to give Bertuzzi that second year. Quincey has been a big failure this far. Overpayment.

However, PARISE AND SUTER WENT TO MINNESOTA FOR FAMILY. THEY WEREN'T COMING HERE ANYWAY. Neither of them are worth the idiotic contracts that Minnesota gave them. Yikes. Holland has made stupid moves, but overpaying for either of these overrated pansies would've been majorly stupid moves.

Also, players like Tootoo are desperately needed here. He's basically our only source of snarl and constant physicality up front. In my opinion, more players that play a similar style to his are needed.

I already explained the Huskins situation to you, but you never directly replied.

Apologies. Youre right. Huskins is the small potatoes in that laundry list of crap. But my point is you cant say "We dont need to pay an extra 2 mil to get a great player and then go pay 15 mil to get a bunch of bad players." There's no logic to that.

Apologies. Youre right. Huskins is the small potatoes in that laundry list of crap. But my point is you cant say "We dont need to pay an extra 2 mil to get a great player and then go pay 15 mil to get a bunch of bad players." There's no logic to that.

Ok, we should get a defenseman and say forget about getting a backup goalie because we have a defenseman?

yes I do, first off McCollum is garbage. Secondly, Abby plays center, Emmerton is useless, and Tootoo provides grit that we've failed to have in years, and he works hard every shift he is out there and plays with a lot of energy and heart. Once again though Suter wanted to play with his butt buddy in Minny, can't fix that, can't change that. Not to mention he was vastly overpaid, and isn't doing all that much to help his team now

yes I do, first off McCollum is garbage. Secondly, Abby plays center, Emmerton is useless, and Tootoo provides grit that we've failed to have in years, and he works hard every shift he is out there and plays with a lot of energy and heart. Once again though Suter wanted to play with his butt buddy in Minny, can't fix that, can't change that. Not to mention he was vastly overpaid, and isn't doing all that much to help his team now

McCollum is a backup. Who cares.

Abby and Emmerton play where they are told to play.

Tootoo sucks, bro. Hate to break it to you. He's not gonna score more than 10 pts this year.

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