Out of curiosity, why the ditching of beta alanine? Also, I remember hearing some time ago (from some bright dudes) that agmatine pre-workout isn't its best application. Thoughts? Unfortunately I don't remember the explanation...

Out of curiosity, why the ditching of beta alanine? Also, I remember hearing some time ago (from some bright dudes) that agmatine pre-workout isn't its best application. Thoughts? Unfortunately I don't remember the explanation...

We just felt that COP offers the same buffering benefits of beta-alanine, while also providing cardioprotective properties as well.

Very interesting @ the agmatine; unfortunately, I can't speak to anything without the explanation... agmatine has ergogenic properties and also modulates NO, so I don't see why it shouldn't be used pre-WO.

To add to my previous post Beta alanine is included in many popular products at a significant dose now a days. This is in no way the only product with COP but it is much less common, we are able to obtain our desired effects, and makes protocol that much more stackable!

Many people do not like BA tingles and if they are using another product with BA they may have been turned off to the original formula.

Hey Big game. We can only quote you what the facts are. The reason why a 2 week eta is standard is because we dont produce our own labels and we dont manufacture in house. Labels have yet to be delivered. Last Fridays meeting I was told the machine went down for a couple of days. Im now being told the machine is up and running and our labels are scheduled to be ran tomorrow. Once those labels are delivered to the manufacture then we get in line to have our bottles ran through the machine for labeling. Its the best we can do at the moment until we open up in house manufacturing next year. Then I can produce 100% accurate ETA based on our time and not someone else s. Just wanted to share the process a little in case you or another poster would find it interesting. I agree with you in you though. A big delay though was my fault These products should have been ready end of June at the latest but I decided to move the label design to a new company. The result was better labels but a longer wait. That was my decision and I apologize.

Hey Big game. We can only quote you what the facts are. The reason why a 2 week eta is standard is because we dont produce our own labels and we dont manufacture in house. Labels have yet to be delivered. Last Fridays meeting I was told the machine went down for a couple of days. Im now being told the machine is up and running and our labels are scheduled to be ran tomorrow. Once those labels are delivered to the manufacture then we get in line to have our bottles ran through the machine for labeling. Its the best we can do at the moment until we open up in house manufacturing next year. Then I can produce 100% accurate ETA based on our time and not someone else s. Just wanted to share the process a little in case you or another poster would find it interesting. I agree with you in you though. A big delay though was my fault These products should have been ready end of June at the latest but I decided to move the label design to a new company. The result was better labels but a longer wait. That was my decision and I apologize.

No problem and I appreciate the response. As soon as it gets released to retailers, I'll be first in line to place an order. So many good products you have coming out. I'm just anxious to try them all.

No problem at all brother I really appreciate the support. Your post and concerns are taken very seriously and we use them to improve the company. To prevent broken ETA's and to further improve shipping Genomyx will be moving into a much larger facility at the end of this year. Well then begin prepping and moving forward with establishing and taking all steps neccessary to begin manufacturing our products at Genomyx This is all from the help of you guys and even concerns raised by the team.

It's worth the wait, I havn't been disappointed with any Genomyx products and these new products coming out look amazing. The Slin Sane V2 + Decimate stack looks so damn impressive, can't really see any other nutrient partitioner or fat burner coming close to this combo.

You heard correctly, sir... It tastes as advertised, too, which is phenomenal when you consider the evolution of the product: lemon/lime was all right, but not great and cherry was much improved, but easy to grow tired of.

DP is coming along at the right time; very refreshing for summer. Mix a couple of scoops with about 12-16oz. water and a few ice cubes in a Magic Bullet... bliss.