The UFC would go up against college football all the time when it was on spike. The lowest viewed UFC fight night on spike is around 1.3m viewers.

Can you provide a listing of those statistics?

What is your point? UFC was an established brand before it started running FN shows on SPIKE and Bellator isn't.

what? the UFC had less events than Bellator had when it first aired on spike. the first fight night pulled 1.5m viewers.

Bellator had over 80 events before it aired on spike... the UFC had less than 60.

Bellator hasn't even completed year 1 on SPIKE. UFC was already a PPV entity long before SPIKE started airing it. The brand had a large following but wasn't mainstream. Comparing it Bellator at the same point is stupid and you know it.

So you're saying bellator today isnt even on UFC's level from 8 years ago? ok, cool. Im glad we agree.

Now what pray tell do you think is going to happen with bellator? you think they are going to build an audience on a firday night?

They had a full season with spikes best lead in (tna) and then had an entire season of a reality show. And the numbers keep tanking. You think now that they are moving to friday nights they are going to all of sudden take off?

Bellator Fan - You will look positively at anything Bellator related so there's no point discussing it. Anything they do will draw an outlook of doom and gloom in your mind because that's what you want.

Bellator has been a free tv entity for 2 years befor moving to spike. That means fans didn't have to pay $50 like they did with ufc when it aired on spike. Also spike was lucky enough to jump into a spot ufc left behind. Bellator should be pulling close to what ufc did.

Bellator average at 1.2 mil viewers and filling the hole the ufc left along with tna lead in... They should be killing it but they just don't have a very appealing product.

Bellator Fan - You will look positively at anything Bellator related so there's no point discussing it. Anything they do will draw an outlook of doom and gloom in your mind because that's what you want.

just remember what I said...

move to a 10pm start: Hospital.

move to an 11pm start time: Cemetery.

You also said they would be done long ago. The more failed predictions the better I guess.

They were done long ago... Lol I think it is weird that as the Bellator vs Eddie a. Situation heated up more and more the ratings dropped more and more.

Bellator Fan - You will look positively at anything Bellator related so there's no point discussing it. Anything they do will draw an outlook of doom and gloom in your mind because that's what you want.

just remember what I said...

move to a 10pm start: Hospital.

move to an 11pm start time: Cemetery.

Move to shitty 3rd rate network like FS1... Priceless

Yea who would want to be affiliated with FOX? Or fox sports? Who would want to be lumped in with nfl, NHL and all the other major sports? Fox has countless original content that is critically acclaimed. How many original spike programming breaks 3 million viewers let alone 30 million? This Super Bowl the ufc and fs1 will have multiple commercials will spike and bellator? Fox 9 will garner millions of viewers... How many will the next Bellator pull? GSP vs Hendricks will likely sell over 700 thousand ppv. How many do you think page vs tito will pull? Meh who would want any of that?

Bellator Fan - You will look positively at anything Bellator related so there's no point discussing it. Anything they do will draw an outlook of doom and gloom in your mind because that's what you want.

just remember what I said...

move to a 10pm start: Hospital.

move to an 11pm start time: Cemetery.

Move to shitty 3rd rate network like FS1... Priceless

Are you saying that Chris and logic are the same person? I doubt it. Different styles of writing. Different view points. But I guess when you no intelligent argument about the topic at hand then flaming the op is the only thing you can do to guide the conversation in a different direction...

Kinda like mo newton fighting for interim title while the champ is healthy and forced to sit out, or like Eddie is getting? Yea Bellator would never give a title shot to a guy coming off a ko loss right?

It is funny how people spew bullshit and have no idea what they are talking about. But rather then doing research and trying to understand they just pull shit out of their ass.Fox is a huge tv station right? Could we say it is one of THE biggest stations in the world? Now they launch a couple of stations that they hope to use to battle espn with. To do that they need LOTS of live sporting events while they try to build their oringal programming. The ufc is providing that not because they have to but because they see the light at the end of the tunnel. No other major sport has stepped up to help fox the way the ufc has. Do think that maybe possibly the ufc could be rewarded for this? Do you think that by being fs1's main and pretty much only draw that the ufc has increased its bargaining power? Fox > Viacom ufc > Bellator.Btw second teir sports don't get an entire day designated to them by a network like fox. Fs1 wed is ufc night. Fs2 is pretty much a ufc channel and fox carries 4 events a year. That is a far cry from second rate. But keep talking out your ass. Ou just look stupid. I am trying to educate you and help you understand and you just don't get it. Bellator is garbage and is a sinking ship dude.

Bellator Fan - You will look positively at anything Bellator related so there's no point discussing it. Anything they do will draw an outlook of doom and gloom in your mind because that's what you want.

Fight Night is trending sharply downward on FS1 (1.78M, 824k, 539k). UFC 163 did a staggeringly awful 170k PPV buys. The TUF debut was the lowest in the series' history. It seems clear that whatever is effecting Bellator is industry-wide.

It's either that TV rating are down because it's summer, or the public's interest in MMA has waned, or both.

Steve4192 - MMALOGIC is going to be super-pissed you stole his thunder.

He will make his own thread on it shitting on them, dont worry.

Hard for him to shit on them given the last UFC didn't do much better with no sports counter programming. Bellator 98 went up against Notre Dame vs Mich, OU vs WVU etc.

That's all well and good if you are looking at it from a strictly 'UFC versus Bellator' perspective. The problem with that perspective is, it doesn't take into account the outlook of their broadcast partners.

The UFC's worst rating is still FIVE TIMES better than what alternate programming on FS1 draws. Bellator OTOH is drawing ratings well below what alternate programming on SpikeTV draws. Spike could cancel Bellator and IMPROVE their ratings by showing reruns of Bar Rescue and Cops. FS1 could not do the same. The UFC is the BY FAR their biggest ratings draw.

This argument is totally correct and is the point MMALOGIC constantly makes.

This is not a good number any way you slice it. The upside is they should grow over the course of the season but that's a very harsh starting point.

Some constructive criticism for Bellator, instead of straight trashing: if they do another reality show, air the show during the Bellator season. Have the two shows shoulder each other during the week and have repeats of the reality show air after or before each Bellator card. They could build off each other.

As it is, I suspect Viacom is going to have an awful lot of patience with a property that they have majority ownership of, but their patience isn't endless. If ~500k is their permanent number they will die a slow death.

bryanand - Bellator needs to fix their fucking production, I'm tired of having to remember to program my DVR to record the show after their event every single time. UFC has no problem with their events fitting in the allotted time slot anymore, it's Mickey Mouse shit.

That's cuz the all UFC fights are a work

Wait what really? Not in this whole battle since I just like watching MMA in general but really?

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