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The first part of your post is just a bunch of ridiculous nonsense. The man created success where failure had existed before,

The only "success" he created was making junk food companies richer. Hardly something of which to be proud

Originally Posted by tessaesque

successfully completed a fairly challenging degree program at a pretty damned good school (even though his parents could ill afford to help him gain an education, and EOE/AA hadn't been pushed through quite yet)

. . and did nothing meaningful w/his degrees.

Originally Posted by tessaesque

, and served in the military.

. . .another one of Uncle Sam's submissive camoflauged jocks used to fulfill the political whims of politicians and/or the oil cos. backing them, at the expense of taxpayers.

Originally Posted by tessaesque

You wanna go all crazy-critical over the fact that he found success in the fast food industry?

Is there any Dad out there that would be proud to tell his kids that his job in life was being in charge of selling Big Macs? If there is, he needs immediate psychological help.

Greasy Cheeseburger, fries and crappy pizza is OK as a temporary job (i. e. in high school and/or college) but not as a final career path. If that's all someone ends up doing in life, then he's a loser.

Originally Posted by tessaesque

One of the largest employing bodies in the entire world? Where most high school kids get their start?

this will probably end him as a candidate... but meh, i don't care.... i wasn't going to vote for him anyways.... and now I certainly wouldn't vote for him, I don't vote for people with bad character.

I thought Democrats and Liberals didn't mind this sort of stuff?... they've been telling me for years that the private lives of politicians is private and shouldn't count against them.
it's a good thing I knew all along that was a lie.

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I'm not comparing Clinton to Cain, so while I get your point, it isn't really relevant to what I was saying. Cain's issues are Cain's issues, but I can't tar and feather the guy over 14 year old accusations (especially accusations as extreme as lucky lady #4). It makes no sense to me why a woman in #4's position wouldn't have said something right then and there. The president of the NRA (not guns) is high profile enough that it would have made news if she'd started the witch hunt in the 90s, especially since he was a successful black man, and plenty of racist tards would have been glad to lead the charge. Waiting 14 years to come out with such serious charges against him seems....fishy.

I see where you're coming from. Of course Gennifer Flowers waited until Clinton was running for President...and you'd think Governor of Arkansas is fairly high profile.

I just don't see how everybody even vaguely right is saying it's definitely false. Obviously we don't know for sure, but a pattern sure seems to be emerging.

I'm off the mind that it does matter... married dudes schtooping chicks they aren't married to is a firm sign of a bad character... sexual harrassment is another ( and a crime)... men in powerful positions schtooping chicks they aren't married to is another.
congresscritters soliciting sex form prostitutes or from dudes in bathrooms stalls ... yup, that too.
consistency is a character virtue to me as well, which is why every time some sort of sex scandal arises I harp on it with folks who are not consistent in their criticisms.

you can take your 'thanks for playing" and shove it... learn to be civil or simply just don't talk to me.

Sexual harassment, is intimidation, bullying or coercion of a sexual nature, or the unwelcome or inappropriate promise of rewards in exchange for sexual favors.

Having said that.... this of course cannot be considered workplace sexual harrassment because she wasnt working with or for Cain..... but his comment, if true, about "ya want a job, right?" implies the promise of reward.

I'm not comparing Clinton to Cain, so while I get your point, it isn't really relevant to what I was saying. Cain's issues are Cain's issues, but I can't tar and feather the guy over 14 year old accusations (especially accusations as extreme as lucky lady #4). It makes no sense to me why a woman in #4's position wouldn't have said something right then and there. The president of the NRA (not guns) is high profile enough that it would have made news if she'd started the witch hunt in the 90s, especially since he was a successful black man, and plenty of racist tards would have been glad to lead the charge. Waiting 14 years to come out with such serious charges against him seems....fishy.

What are the chances of her getting a job in that circle after that? How many other powerful man in politics thought it was okay what she alleges Cain did? It's the same story with people who are sexually assaulted. They question if what happened just happen, if it was really over the line, something to make a big deal of, or maybe they are overly sensitive, and they feel that the person who did these things have certain power over them - the person who did this would probably feel they have power over the victim as well, that's why they dared do it. It's the same with rape and sexual abuse. It takes courage to be the first to make the accusation and bear the consequences.

Having said that - we don't know if the accusations are true or not. But we can't dismiss this woman just because she didn't make it public at the time that it happened.

Originally Posted by Free_Radical

And I wasn't making an appeal to authority, I was making an appeal to the philosophical body of work of the founders, the worth and content of which should be well-known to anyone with a cursory understanding of basic history and philosophy.