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Re: Pacers-Bucks Postgame

I'm being serious: What are some real solutions to correct what ails this team? Hell, before you answer that, what exactly is it that ails this team? Time to go through the process: Admit we have a problem(s), identify the problem(s), explore possible solutions.

I know what the problems are with Vogel, but that only explains so much. I have no idea about Hibbert and the shooting. MY only solution is to bench all of the starters on Friday, and hope it wakes them up.

Re: Pacers-Bucks Postgame

I'm being serious: What are some real solutions to correct what ails this team? Hell, before you answer that, what exactly is it that ails this team? Time to go through the process: Admit we have a problem(s), identify the problem(s), explore possible solutions.

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Re: Pacers-Bucks Postgame

Let's be realistic. The only easily replaceable part on this team is the coach. So let's just fire Frank and see whether another coach can turn things around. If not, then you can start thinking about trading Roy, West, Paul, etc.

Re: Pacers-Bucks Postgame

MY only solution is to bench all of the starters on Friday, and hope it wakes them up.

Don't bench all the starters. Lance has done nothing wrong. Hill and West do try and show some heart. But bench Roy and PG. Place them in the inactive list. Just show that this is not allowed to continue.

Re: Pacers-Bucks Postgame

This is when we will see what Vogel is really made of. Can he make changes to his schemes? Can he add in a couple of plays that will result in easy points (because I don't think I've seen the Pacers score 4 easy points all season--it's just a battle every time)? It's time to see what everyone is made of. These are the darkest days since the O'Brien-to-Vogel handoff season when the Pacers lost 7 straight and got blown out by a crappy T-Wolves team. That year they rallied and made the playoffs. How will they respond this year?

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Re: Pacers-Bucks Postgame

I noticed that the Bucks had Jennings and Ellis curling around picks at the FT line. To set up their drives. THey only needed 2 dribbles to get to the rim after the pick. Such a simple offensive set, but it works all the time. Why can't Vogel implement sets like these?!

Re: Pacers-Bucks Postgame

I don't know what to do. Who is to blame? Did Bird's presence really affect the team that much? Do we really miss Granger's shooting and toughness this much? Is there a problem in the locker room? Is it Vogel's system and lack of flexibility? Did the front office kill us with it's offseason moves? Are the players just missing shots? Have they checked out? I need answers.

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Re: Pacers-Bucks Postgame

I do think we need some sets designed to give us easy points. Either that, or push the tempo a little bit. We have to score some easy baskets. The contested two point jumpers and predictable post up plays are clearly not working. Time to go back to basics and see if we can't get these guys some confidence.

Re: Pacers-Bucks Postgame

Let's be realistic. The only easily replaceable part on this team is the coach. So let's just fire Frank and see whether another coach can turn things around. If not, then you can start thinking about trading Roy, West, Paul, etc.

They should start thinking about trading people right about now, and then think about getting a coach.

Re: Pacers-Bucks Postgame

Let's be realistic. The only easily replaceable part on this team is the coach. So let's just fire Frank and see whether another coach can turn things around. If not, then you can start thinking about trading Roy, West, Paul, etc.

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Re: Pacers-Bucks Postgame

We traded away or didn't resign our team chemistry and energy. That's a big part of it. Can't discount team chemistry. Some of you might think the new guys are better on paper but the game is not played on paper. I actually think the bench's energy and toughness rubbed off on the starters last year. Pacers willed their way to a lot of wins.

Re: Pacers-Bucks Postgame

The most bizarre thing about this is we just don't know WHY this is happening.

Is Frank losing the team? Has this been an issue looming in the background for a longer period of time?

Or is it truly just a mixture of HORRIFIC slumps by 3/4 of our team all at the same time?

Go back and look at the Kings game, or the opening night Toronto game. It may not have always been pretty, but guys were engaged and into the games.

They cared!

What has changed?

Just like a supremely negative coach can get tuned out, an overly positive coach can be tuned out. I think the players have simply tuned out Vogel's overly optimistic, brash attitude. Sometimes guys need to be whipped into shape nd held accountable for their horrid play.

Re: Pacers-Bucks Postgame

Former Pacers seem to always play better or return to form when they leave Indiana. It has to be is the system. It allows no one to shine. Latest example: Darren back to his rookie year form and swagger.

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Re: Pacers-Bucks Postgame

I know he's apparently limping around on crutches, but I wish Danny was at least with the team. Talk up West all you want, Danny's the team leader and one of the few guys the lockerroom should/would listen to.

Re: Pacers-Bucks Postgame

We traded away or didn't resign our team chemistry and energy. That's a big part of it. Can't discount team chemistry. Some of you might think the new guys are better on paper but the game is not played on paper. I actually think the bench's energy and toughness rubbed off on the starters last year. Pacers willed their way to a lot of wins.

Yeah, I think this is a significant factor. Mahinmi, Green, Agustin...it's not just what they do or don't add. It's that none of them do whatever they do with any fire/focus. That's what you've got to have on your bench under any circumstances. They are either just floating around marginally interested, getting beat ball gawking to cost us a game, or bumbling and bobbling the ball of their leg out of bounds.

Re: Pacers-Bucks Postgame

Take a deep breath.

Yes, the team looks terrible at the moment, but things can change quickly. We are not even at the half-way point of November. Frank's earned at least half a season to suck before people start calling for his head. I understand really 'mart people know his coaching is bad...but take a look at his results the last two years. It has been pretty good. Two straight playoff runs. A great record last year. Compare that to sideburns...