AverageAmericanGuy:Vader didn't really die. If he had died, he would have completely disappeared, like Obi Won did in A New Hope and Yoda did in Revenge of the Jedi. At the end of ROTJ, we see Luke carrying Vader's 'corpse' to the pyre and floating it out into the sea. If he were really dead, there would have been no body.

Has was more machine than man at that point. What was left of his body did disappear, leaving some sprockets and a $20 gift card for Radio Shack.

Teresaol31:alienated: RoyBatty: alienated: Anyhow, I can see this, along with Obi Wan coming back. I dont see them not being a one trick pony, except as flashback fodder should there be and ep VIIII or X . We shall see, and I will pay full price for a film set after the rebels won.

Yeah, if Obi Wan only comes back as an annoying smug ghost, how is he more powerful than Darth Vader could possibly imagine?

I imagine Obi being the one to take the upper road, so, He does not fade away like Sauron once did, I see him more as a Gandalf the White as opposed to Saruman who, nm- that wasnt in the films.

Just had to go there, did ya?

/Just re-read LOTR again.//Every time I read it I want to scream about the short attention span involved in America cinema.///After the very first movie succeeded, Jackson should have held out to make 6 full length movies instead of 3 so that he could cover the actual farking material instead of doing this stupid compressed, skewed story line he ended up with. The movies are pretty, but they do NOT tell the stories well at all. Hint, if each 'book' actually contains two books, that would mean it's not a 'trilogy' but a six part series. It can't be done well in 6 hours and nobody should have TRIED to cover it in six hours.

Disney doesn't care about your childhood. Disney doesn't care about canon. Disney doesn't care what the internet thinks. Disney cares about making money. Disney will gut your beloved stories and you will get Star Wars X: On Stranger Tides in 3D. And Disney knows that no matter how much you b*tch about it, you will be first in line at midnight with your $25 IMAX 3D ticket in hand because you have no spine.

It will be one thing if they shoehorn him in through a flashback. I'll live.

But he's farking dead. You can't bring him back. Unless I'm very much mistaken, the EU is not full of crap about Vader being resurrected (unlike Palpatine, who makes coming back from the dead a weird habit).

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Speaking of Vader:Here's my daughter's birthday cake from a few weeks agoAnd here is Vader (one of her gifts) having tea and cookiesShe believes him to be dead; would you shatter a little girl's belief system just to make a buck?

They brought Darth Maul back in The Clone Wars. His initial appearance gave him a mechanical spider for a lower half that was revealed (in the supplementals if not in the episode itself) to have been "manifested" by the Dark Side. Maul was already a big ball of hate but his "death" at the hands of Obi-Wan gave him a focus for it, and the Dark Side was paying attention.

I would love a reveal of a new Vader being nothing but a complete machine created by the Dark Side, a physical manifestation of the hatred in Anakin that was shed when he opted to turn his back on Palpatine and help his son. The villain isn't someone using the Dark Side. The villain is the motherfarking Dark Side.

alienated:RoyBatty: alienated: Anyhow, I can see this, along with Obi Wan coming back. I dont see them not being a one trick pony, except as flashback fodder should there be and ep VIIII or X . We shall see, and I will pay full price for a film set after the rebels won.

Yeah, if Obi Wan only comes back as an annoying smug ghost, how is he more powerful than Darth Vader could possibly imagine?

I imagine Obi being the one to take the upper road, so, He does not fade away like Sauron once did, I see him more as a Gandalf the White as opposed to Saruman who, nm- that wasnt in the films.

Just had to go there, did ya?

/Just re-read LOTR again.//Every time I read it I want to scream about the short attention span involved in America cinema.///After the very first movie succeeded, Jackson should have held out to make 6 full length movies instead of 3 so that he could cover the actual farking material instead of doing this stupid compressed, skewed story line he ended up with. The movies are pretty, but they do NOT tell the stories well at all. Hint, if each 'book' actually contains two books, that would mean it's not a 'trilogy' but a six part series. It can't be done well in 6 hours and nobody should have TRIED to cover it in six hours.

Somewhere George Lucas is wiping his ass with a $100,000 bill (the one with Teddy Roosevelt giving McKinley a wedgie) and saying "See, coming up with a more bad-ass villain than Vader is easier than it sounds, eh? Count Dooku ain't sounding so bad now, is it?"

Bringing Vader back *could* work if done properly with the proper reveal. But you'd have to have him as an off-screen monster for a good chunk of the first movie, if not have the reveal be the finale of the first movie. This is a sci-fi series where clones played a large part in the shiattiest chapter, after all.