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As stated in the title, this thread is for watching and recording the market prices!
TJ did say that the prices for the Market aren't stable and will reflect population ratios:
- from the Market Feedback Thread
I don't know how long it will stay that way or how long prices will stay as they are, but I feel like we should probably start tracking them now.
We can stop if it is shown that the prices never change.
But for now, it's time to watch the market.
(We could probably use to watch when new eggs appear in the market as well. )
Current Prices: As of 01/20/2019
DC﻿ Market Prices as of 2019-01-20 (PDF)
Long Term Price Tracing:
Price Spreadsheet from @Fjord
-- Look at this for long term price changes.
There is probably a better way to record the prices other than print screen...
Thank you for giving us a better way to track prices, Fjord!
Side note:
Apparently, Golds were initially 4,200 shards, so there has been change since the start of the market.

Wait really>
Has it been that long?
What are the prices of Golds again?
*checks* 3,700 shards...and we earn at max 100 shards a week.
Has it really been 37 weeks since the market has been up?
You could have given birth to a full term baby in that time...

Welcome to DC Moon Watch and Lunar Herald Theories
For all your DC Moon Watching and Theorizing Needs!!
Also known as the Valkemare Astrological Society (or Astronomical Society.)
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NEWS!
On a side note, Nooey and ainisarie have been great with helping me out, but I would still like some help with this...
Maybe like two more people to help? Maybe as backups?
Assistance would be appreciated.
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Phase Change Quick View
Aurax's Current Lunar Phase:
Cirion's Current Lunar Phase:
Current Lunar Herald Avaliable:
Pinkgothic's Daily Dragon Fix page that shows what's dropping and when the others will drop: Link
Millie_Azure's Lunar Herald long term calendar: Link
DC Moon Watch Document: Link
Thank you, Pinkgothic, for the Lunar Herald Cyclers and the DC Lunar Phase Cyclers.
(Note: See "The Valkemare Lunar Cycle in Table Form" or "Quick References for Terms and Extra Information" for the definitions of the Moon images and Lunar Herald Images.)
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Hello everyone!
With the release of the Lunar Heralds, an update that has been long ignored has become extremely relevant... the DC Time Reference page, specifically the phases of the two moons of Valkemare, Aurax (the larger Gold Moon) and Cirion (the smaller Blue Moon.)
Lunar Heralds are intricately tied to the moon, and in gameplay, that means the colors of the Lunar Heralds are tied to the phases of the two moons. Only... We don't know what the phases of the moons are OR how long they last, as no one was tracking the moons phases beforehand. (Like I said, it was ignored for the most part.)
However, with the release, we have been tracking the moon phases, efforts leading to the Dragon Cave Moon Watch and Lunar Egg Tracking Document, and a variety of theories on how moon phases work and what that means for the Lunar Herald Eggs!
Hopefully, with the use of this thread and the document. We will be able to chart the phases and figure out the breeding patterns for the Lunar Heralds! Now for the important part.
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The Official Valkemare Lunar Cycles and Lunar Herald Breeding Patterns
Thank you for everyone's contribution to this! The following contains official information for Aurax's and Cirion's Lunar cycles and the Lunar Heralds breeding patterns:
The Official Valkemare Lunar Cycle
Valkemare has two moons, Aurax, the larger golden moon, and Cirion, the smaller blue moon. These two moons are not in sync and do not share the same cycle, nor does either of their cycles match Earth's Lunar Cycle.
Both Aurax and Cirion skip the First Quarter and Last Quarter Phases. Thus, the cycle for both Aurax and Cirion progresses as follows: New Moon --> Waxing Crescent --> Waxing Gibbous --> Full Moon --> Waning Gibbous --> Waning Crescent --> New Moon --> Repeat.
Aurax's Lunar cycle is 32 days long, where New and Full Moon phases last 1 day, Waxing Crescent and Waning Gibbous phases last 7 days, and Waxing Gibbous and Waning Crescent phases last 8 days.
Cirion's Lunar cycle is 16 days long, where New and Full Moon phases last 1 day, Waxing Crescent and Waning Gibbous phases last 3 days, and Waxing Gibbous and Waning Crescent phases last 4 days.
Cirion orbit around Valkemare is two times faster than Aurax's orbit, so for every 1 Aurax cycle, there are 2 Cirion lunar cycles, a 2:1 Cirion:Aurax lunar cycle ratio.
The current phase each moon can be found on the DC Time Reference page.
Phase changes occur at 8:00 PM (20:00) EST/DragonCave (DC) time during Daylight Savings or at 7:00 PM (19:00) EST/DC time when Daylight Savings has ended.
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The Valkemare Lunar Cycle in Table Form
Here is a picture table showing the phases of each moon in a regular cycle. Gold-labeled things are Aurax-related. Blue-labeled things are Cirion-related. Gray-labeled things apply to both.
- Also, shows the 2:1 ratio for Cirion's and Aurax's cycles:
-And here is a reference chart for what each image stands for:
(Where New = New Moon, WXC = Waxing Crescent, WXG = Waxing Gibbous, FULL = Full Moon, WNG = Waning Gibbous, WNC = Waning Crescent)
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The Lunar Herald Egg Breeding Pattern Explanation
As stated by TJ when the Lunar Herald dragons were first released, Lunar Herald colors follow the phases of the moon, as in you get different colored Lunar Heralds based on the phases of Aurax and Cirion. After gathering all the data, the theory that best describes how the moon phases is the illumination-based theory, where the color of the Lunar Herald are decided by how much of each moon is illuminated (how close to full or new it is), and by which moon is dominant in the sky, as explained below:
When a moon is more than half full or >50% illuminated, it is either in a Gibbous phase or Full Moon phase.
When a moon is less than half full or <50% illuminated, it is either in a Crescent phase or New Moon phase.
When one moon is more than half full while the other is less than half full, the Lunar Herald egg corresponding to the moon more than half full (or dominant in the sky) appears.
Gold/Aurax Herald eggs appear when Aurax (the golden moon) is dominant in the sky.
Blue/Indigo/Cirion Herald eggs appear when Cirion (the blue moon) is dominant in the sky.
Silver Lunar Heralds appear if both moons are more than half full.
Bronze/Brown Lunar Herald appear if both moons are less than half.
Ex: When Aurax is Gibbous (100>x>50% illuminated) and Cirion is Cresent (0<x<50% illuminated), Lunar Herald eggs are Gold.
Ex2: When Aurax is New (0% illuminated) and Crion is Full (100% illuminated), Lunar Herald eggs are Indigo.
Ex3: When both Aurax and Cirion are in Gibbous phase (100>x>50% illuminated), Lunar eggs are Silver.
Ex4: When both Aurax and Cirion are in Crescent phase (0%<x<50% illuminated), Lunar eggs are Bronze.
There is a set pattern to what color of Lunar Herald Egg will appear when.
Silver and Indigo Lunar Herald Eggs are available for 8 days a piece once in one Valkemare Lunar Cycle.
Gold and Bronze are available for 4 days a piece twice in one Valkemare Lunar Cycle.
Availability Pattern:
Silver -8 days later-> Gold -4 days later-> Bronze -4 days later-> Indigo -8 days later-> Bronze -4 days later-> Gold - 4 days later-> Repeat.
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The Lunar Herald Egg Breeding Pattern in Table Form
Here is a visual table displaying the breeding pattern for the Lunar Heralds. Eggs are shown relative to the compatible overlapping phases between Aurax and Cirion.
I)A Table That Shows the Pattern Starting with Aurax WaXing Gibbous and Cirion New Moon
-- Best for viewing the pattern flow without breaking up any periods of egg drops
II) A Table That Shows the Pattern Starting with both Aurax and Cirion in Full Moon phase
-- Best for showing the pattern within a standard lunar cycle
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The Lunar Herald Egg Breeding Pattern in Text Form
Here is a list of sites, calendars, and online documents that list the Lunar Hearld breeding pattern in a more text-based form, often with exact dates and timing for the eggs.
Websites/Online Documents for Lunar Herald Breeding Predictions
1) Pinkgothic's Daily Dragon Fix Page that shows which Lunar Herald egg is currently dropping, when the others will begin dropping, Aurax and Cirion's current phases, and a calendar depicting the daily Lunar Herald egg color available during the current 32-day Lunar cycle.
2) The DC Moon Watch Document is a collaborative document showing all the data for DC Lunar Cycle and Lunar Herald breeding pattern, authored and edited by Shokomon, BananaGummyBear64, and Pinkgothic.
Calenders for Lunar Herald Predictions
1) Long-term Calender made by Millie_Azure that shows predicted Lunar Herald eggs until the end of 2020.
2) Short-term Calendar made by Rubyeyes that shows predicted Lunar Herald eggs until the end of Nov 2015.
3) Another Short-term Calendar made by Millie_Azure that shows predicted Lunar Herald eggs until the end of 2015.
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The Lunar Herald Egg Breeding Pattern in Chart Form
These charts show what egg will be produced when ever two phases of Aurax and Cirion overlap. Phases that impossible are gray or dark gray in color.
Start in the uppermost left box. Follow Cirion's phases downward, staying in a single Aurax phase until no possible overlaps are available. Then, move right to the next available overlap in the following Aurax phase. This reveals the 2:1 pattern of how Lunar Herald Egg colors change in the presence of the moons.
I) Pattern 1 which starts on Aurax WaXing Gibbous phase and Cirion New Moon phase
II) Pattern 2, which starts on Aurax and Cirion in their Full Moon phases
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The Lunar Herald Breeding Pattern-DC Lunar Cycle Composite Diagram
Here is a circle graph created by Daydreamer09 that shows both the DC lunar cycle, and the Lunar Herald Breeding Pattern as one diagram, complete with day of the cycle, phases present, and Lunar Herald egg color currently available:
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What can you do?
1) We need people to keep an eye on the phases! That way as soon as the phases change, we can document the time down for accurate calculations of the phases length.
- Leaving a Comment on the Moon Phases Sheet in the Doc stated above helps as well.
2) We need people to post what eggs they were Catching OR Breeding during different phases of the moons, so we can accurately figure out what Lunar Herald colors come when.
- Leaving a Comment on the Lunar Asynchronization page in the Doc stated above also helps.
- Please use the form below to post information:
Time: 00:00 AM/PM Dragon Cave Time (DC)
Date: 00 Month 2015
Moon Phases:
I. Aurax (Gold Moon): Waxing Crescent Waxing Gibbous Full Moon Waning Gibbous Waning Crescent New Moon First Quarter Last Quarter
II. Cirion (Blue Moon): Waxing Crescent Waxing Gibbous Full Moon Waning Gibbous Waning Crescent New Moon First Quarter Last Quarter
Lunar Heralds:
A. I caught a Gold Silver Bronze Indigo Lunar Herald egg. Lineage Link
B. I bred a Gold Silver Bronze Indigo Lunar Herald egg. Lineage Link
(Just delete the phrases/colors you don't need.)
[b]Time[/b]: 00:00 AM/PM Dragon Cave Time (DC)
[b]Date[/b]: 00 Month 2015
[b]Moon Phases[/b]:
I. [b]Aurax ([color=#D4AF37]Gold Moon[/color]): [color=red]Waxing Crescent [/color] [color=orange]Waxing Gibbous[/color] [color=green]Full Moon[/color] [color=indigo]Waning Gibbous[/color] [color=purple]Waning Crescent[/color] [color=violet]New Moon[/color] First Quarter Last Quarter[/b]
II. [b]Cirion ([color=blue]Blue Moon[/color]): [color=red]Waxing Crescent [/color] [color=orange]Waxing Gibbous[/color] [color=green]Full Moon[/color] [color=indigo]Waning Gibbous[/color] [color=purple]Waning Crescent[/color] [color=violet]New Moon[/color] First Quarter Last Quarter[/b]
[b]Lunar Heralds[/b]:
A. [b]I caught a [color=gold]Gold[/color] [color=silver]Silver[/color] [color=brown]Bronze[/color] [color=#4400ff]Indigo[/color] Lunar Herald egg.[/b] [URL=http://insertlineagelinkhere]Lineage Link[/URL]
B. [b]I bred a [color=gold]Gold[/color] [color=silver]Silver[/color] [color=brown]Bronze[/color] [color=#4400ff]Indigo[/color] Lunar Herald egg.[/b] [URL=http://insertlineagelinkhere]Lineage Link[/URL]
Due to Daylight Savings occurring in the cave, we need to confirm if Phase Change occurs early at 7 PM EST/DC, instead of 8PM EST/DC during Daylight Savings time.
- We also should confirm that the Lunar Herald Eggs are changing normally because of this.
- Any help is greatly appreciated! Everything is confirmed! Thank you!
3) We need people to make up theories or post previous ones on how this all works because theories are fun.
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That's it! So, Be nice, have fun, and let's get to work! Converse! Theorize! Discuss! Post!
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Edit (10/01/17): Updating the news section, and Looky! Tomato_Juice made us a new banner for the thread!! And Another smaller one too!
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[url=http://ow.ly/S6UfJ][img=https://i.imgur.com/Fj1Qliu.jpg][/url] (Big)
[url=http://ow.ly/S6UfJ][img=https://i.imgur.com/G6P2ede.jpg][/url] (Small)
And Millie_Azure made a bunch of simple and sweet ones! Featuring the Valkemare Astrological Society too!
- In addition, Millie_Azure made a button for the Lunar Herald Calender. Everyone is free to us it!
And Pinkgothic has made a lovely banner that changes to reflect whatever lunar egg is dropping currently!! There are also images for what will display depending on which egg is dropping.
And then, I finally made my own banners... I'll shrink the links eventually. Also, Lunar Herald Egg Buttons! And now with tiny urls and link back to the thread!
Lastly, Pinkgothic was kind enough to use the cycler she made to make my buttons into a cycling button that changes to match whichever egg is dropping currently:
Promote the thread where ever you go!

Edit: Whoops, accidentally posted before finishing my post.
Basically, I just wanted to get rid of all the big images. That often happens when the images have "https://" in the address, instead of "http://".
I also added a couple comments because I couldn't help myself.
Now, back to watching the thread, because I said my piece a long while ago.

Because I'm a forgetful bum, prices update for this week!
DC Market Prices as of 2019-01-﻿20
Technically it's the same link as the older one, but I updated the PDF with a new version.
Anyone notice any weirdness in the markets?

The biggest problem relevant to this thread is that "):" transforms when it's not needed, and apparently removing the emojis won't solve the problem.
Because of the transformation, you can't use a statement like this:
Aurax (Gold Moon): Waning Gibbous; Aurax is expected to stay more than 50% illuminated!
Cirion (Blue Moon): Waning Gibbous; Cirion is expected to stay more than 50% illuminated!
without it becoming this:
So, how do we fix this?

*tosses up the post*
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- Starting at 7:00 PM EST/DC, Thursday, January 17, 2019, today is Day 10 of the Cirion Lunar Cycle. The current Moon Phase is Waxing Crescent.
- Also, today is Day 26 of the Aurax Lunar Cycle. The current Moon Phase is Waxing Gibbous.
There is a somewhat higher probability of catching/breeding Dark Luminae than Luminae today.

Just to clarify,
So, if the new emojis are turned off, are you saying "):" will stop turning into 😞 and stay "):" OR will "):" will stop turning into 😞 and both ":(" and "):" turn into ?
That sentence is so odd to look at.
On a side note, all three of those default smileys look different on my phone vs my computer:
- Computer:
- Phone:
Edit: Nevermind. It's just the first one.

*tosses up a really late post*
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- Starting at 7:00 PM EST﻿﻿﻿﻿/DC, Tuesday, January 15, 2019, today is Day 8 of the Cirion Lunar Cycle. The current Moon Phase is New Moon.
- Also, today is Day 24 of the Aurax Lunar Cycle. The current Moon Phase is Waxing Gibbous.
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There is a very high probability of﻿catching/breeding Dark Luminae today.﻿

Lol.
They all look so different.
This is how they look on my LG Android:
Otherwise, they look the same as on Skywolf's on my computer.
Is it really good to have these if they all loook so different depending on the device?

This please!
I have to adjust my script all the time for thr Moon Watch thread because of this "emoji curse" as I like to call it.
Is there difference on whether open or close parentheses are used?
-Let's see
or 😞
:( or ):
Both of them transformed.
Into different smileys, but they both did.
That's annoying.

- Starting at 7:00 PM EST/DC, Friday, January 11, 2019, today is Day 4 of the Cirion Lunar Cycle. The current Moon Phase is Waning Crescent.
- Also, today is Day 20 of the Aurax Lunar Cycle. The current Moon Phase is Waxing Crescent.
The probability of catching/breeding Luminae and Dark Luminae is about 50/50 today.
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Not so on time, but close!

It seems you are asking for a thread like Tiny Little Questions:
Random, little things that don't need full threads get asked there all the time. There is also links to the FAQ in the OP
As for artists, you can find who sprites what if you look at the copyright section at the bottom of the Dragon's view page.
There is also a list of artists here:

While thats true for some terms, there are terms that go relatively unused, are fairly situational or are no longer applicable due to updates to the Cave.
Like I had recently looked at the Terminology thread that I didn't know existed:
And some of the terms don't work because of the change to hatching/growing time or the multi-biomes introduction.
And there are posts just above me who bring up terms that just came into existence (SALTkins refering to the Messy Alt Omen Offspring of last year) and terms complicated by trading practices.
How do we figure out which terms best go on the site? When do we remove or change them? And how do we monitor that type of thing since these are all user generated?
We have a thread I posted, but it's obviously not maintained, considering the OP hasn't been updated since 2013.
And this is just Vocab, not even the tips themselves.

- Starting at 7:00 PM EST/DC, Thursday, January 10, 2019, today is Day 3 of the Cirion Lunar Cycle. The current Moon Phase is Waning Gibbous.
- Also, today is Day 19 of the Aurax Lunar Cycle. The current Moon Phase is Waxing Crescent.
There is a slightly higher probability of catching/breeding Luminae than Dark Luminae today.
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ON TIME!

This sounds like it would be a separate thing entirely.
The way the OP describes it, this is just a general tips list made by fans.
Limiting it to just the Trading Hub would probably change the type of tips given.
And even, if you did have a separate page of it, you would still have to manage the issue of fan vs official vocabulary. Definitions would have to be hammered out first before any other tips about the dragons showed up. It doesn't really change the level of management that Fuzzbucket seems to be pointing out.

I feel like if this is going to be a thing, Vocabulary should be stuff found on the Dragon Cave.
Words like "CB" are more of forum or trade terms generated by fans.
Unless you are going to have a vocab list somewhere on site, it's best to use terms that can be easily understood without having to got to the fourms or the wiki.
After all, not everyone visits here or the wiki. Or we wouldn't have people asking for blue-wing CB solstices.
Edit: I suppose you could have the definitions in the tips list, but from what I understand, the tips are not going to be listed all in one page, so people might get a "CB Hollies are always on gender" without ever getting "CB is short for Caveborn or a dragon stolen directly from the Cave Biomes. It's a first generation dragon."
Edit 2: Also, I feel like tips for mechanics for summoning special dragons or breeding might be best left out or limited. It may ruin the surprise of figuring out those things yourself. There is a reason why Summon BSA isn't listed in the BSA page.
Some things you are supposed to figure out on your own or go look it up. I mean, when you look it up, you are consenting to the spoiler. The current setup for the cycling tips would make spoilers unavoidable for players.

I feel like this deserves of another edition of Shokomon gets confused by Xenos:
Wait What-?
*checks wiki*
Wait-What-?
*remembers that Bred dragons count as Cave biomes*
OHHHHHHHHHHHH. Right.
...Still weird though.
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I had a moment.
AKA I know what you feel.

*tosses up a phase change and runs*
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- Starting at 7:00 PM EST/DC, Monday, January 7, 2019, today is Day 0 of the Cirion Lunar Cycle. The current Moon Phase is Full Moon.
- Also, today is Day 16 of the Aurax Lunar Cycle. The current Moon Phase is New Moon.
There is a very high probability of catching/breeding Luminae today﻿﻿﻿﻿﻿.﻿