In 2008 when I read about Hillary's sit-down with Scaife's paper that was referenced in the Article, I wrote this on my own blog I had at the time (I was an angry young man way back then)

"If Richard Mellon Scaife teetering on the brink of endorsing a Clinton isn't a sign of the apocalypse I don't know what is.

But I do know one thing. The only thing more astonishing, and debasing, than him granting it; is the fact that Hillary apparently Soughtit.

You know how people have been urging Hillary to get out while she still has a few shreds of dignity left?Too late.

She could be revealed to have had a prior career as the featured performer in a Tijuana donkey show and emerge with more dignity than what she has now after abasing herself before the one man who, more than any other in this country, attempted to smear her and destroy her husband and daughter.

Selling your body is a comparatively honorable to make a living, particularly when you are in desperate straits. But selling your soul like this? Is there any way to come back from it? To NOT have the awful stain of what you were willing to do for personal gain eat away at you for the rest of your life? (sorry for the cliche but) At long Last, has she no decency left?

And for what? Does she seriously believe that there are thousands of PA democrats hanging on the words of the country's most notorious arch-conservative before they decide how to cast their votes? And even if they were, were they REALLY worth cozy up to THIS man to get?

What the HELL was she thinking?

Well, if It's any consolation to her, I think this has to be rock bottom. I'm not sure it's physically possible to sink any lower."

In retrospect, given everything that's happened since. I stand by each and every one of those words. A bit purple, maybe, but not by much. This is why I was overjoyed when I say the other GL thread about Obama reportedly quietly promising Warren support if she runs. I really do want an alternative to Hillary. I simply do not trust her judgment.

borg:If Whitewater was a conspiracy then why did 18 people go to prison over it including a Governor of Arkansas. Amazing everyone involved was dirty except The Clintons.

Mostly for absurd charges only tangentially related to the original ones. When you have a prosecutor who was appointed to look into a land deal in Arkansas investigating the president's mistress on non-criminal sexual conduct in the White house that happened a decade after said land deal, well you know precisely how far off the rails the whole thing went

Scaife was a big deal in my neck of the woods. He had his hands in a lot of non-profits, think tanks, and media in order to facilitate his agenda. It'll be interesting to hear the dirt that comes out over the next few months. (It'll also be interesting to see which ones collapse without his largess.)

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat:Scaife was a big deal in my neck of the woods. He had his hands in a lot of non-profits, think tanks, and media in order to facilitate his agenda. It'll be interesting to hear the dirt that comes out over the next few months. (It'll also be interesting to see which ones collapse without his largess.)

He was basically the Koch brothers before the Koch brothers, I think they've probably absorbed most of his initiatives by now, or at least put the the same gang of useful idiots on the payroll

Ummm, it was Hillary that invented the term "vast right-wing conspiracy". She claimed that it was a "vast right wing conspiracy" that was making stories about her husband banging pretty much anything with a heartbeat, instead of the actual fact that her husband was actually banging anything with a heartbeat.

beefoe:Ummm, it was Hillary that invented the term "vast right-wing conspiracy". She claimed that it was a "vast right wing conspiracy" that was making stories about her husband banging pretty much anything with a heartbeat, instead of the actual fact that her husband was actually banging anything with a heartbeat.

Which is funny since no one cares now, nor cared then, that Clinton was a poon-hound.

I still remember the GOP jumping up and down and screaming "He had sex in the oval office!!11one" and the rest of us went '...cool'

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat:Scaife was a big deal in my neck of the woods. He had his hands in a lot of non-profits, think tanks, and media in order to facilitate his agenda. It'll be interesting to hear the dirt that comes out over the next few months. (It'll also be interesting to see which ones collapse without his largess.)

My guess? He walked around with a butt plug fashioned in the shape of Bill Clinton shoved up his cheeks. Went nowhere without it. It'll wind up in the Smithsonian.

Magorn:borg: If Whitewater was a conspiracy then why did 18 people go to prison over it including a Governor of Arkansas. Amazing everyone involved was dirty except The Clintons.

Mostly for absurd charges only tangentially related to the original ones. When you have a prosecutor who was appointed to look into a land deal in Arkansas investigating the president's mistress on non-criminal sexual conduct in the White house that happened a decade after said land deal, well you know precisely how far off the rails the whole thing went

I worked for the Pittsburgh Trib for a while. Unfortunately, any good journalism they turned out (and they were capable of turning out good journalism) was overshadowed by an editorial page that reflected Scaife's political views -- which could turn bizarre (for example, an editorial suggested that Katharine Graham had her husband killed and took over the Washington Post).I think it's particularly telling that the only people who are speaking well about him are the ones who drew a paycheck from him -- and might not continue to do so for much longer. According to divorce filings from his second wife, the Trib lost about $30 million a year, and I can't imagine things have gotten better. The one owner who could stomach those kinds of losses is dead now, and I've got a lot of friends still at the Trib who are kind of nervous right now.

beefoe:Ummm, it was Hillary that invented the term "vast right-wing conspiracy". She claimed that it was a "vast right wing conspiracy" that was making stories about her husband banging pretty much anything with a heartbeat, instead of the actual fact that her husband was actually banging anything with a heartbeat.

No, that is what they settled on. Instead they were saying he and Hillary had people assassinated. You are an idiot, please sit down and STFU.

This is the bastard who was sending letters to my senile uncle back in the 90's, asking for donations to the Paula Jones defense fund. My uncle sent $25 a month to this dubious cause for lord only knows how long until his wife and daughter asked me to look into his financials because they were having money problems. Since his daughter went out to get the mail every day, I told her to make sure these letters went into the trash instead of onto my uncle's desk. Then they started calling the house after a few months, forcing them to change their phone number.

NotoriousW.O.P:I worked for the Pittsburgh Trib for a while. Unfortunately, any good journalism they turned out (and they were capable of turning out good journalism) was overshadowed by an editorial page that reflected Scaife's political views -- which could turn bizarre (for example, an editorial suggested that Katharine Graham had her husband killed and took over the Washington Post).I think it's particularly telling that the only people who are speaking well about him are the ones who drew a paycheck from him -- and might not continue to do so for much longer. According to divorce filings from his second wife, the Trib lost about $30 million a year, and I can't imagine things have gotten better. The one owner who could stomach those kinds of losses is dead now, and I've got a lot of friends still at the Trib who are kind of nervous right now.

The Trib put up billboards where they assured people that while yes, they are dominated by insane right wing opinions, you could totally trust that their *news* was legit. Lol OK hmm where have I heard that before

The problem with Hillary running for President is that it would be a race between a hard-core conservative willing to sell their soul for a political career and whoever the GOP picks.

Seriously, I don't like Hillary. She co-sponsored a bill to criminalize flag-burning, for God's sake! I have never met anyone who has burned a flag as part of a protest who was not a total douche, but you can't say it isn't political speech. It is one of the most clear-cut cases of "I don't like it, but I will defend your right to do it" that there is.

GameSprocket:The problem with Hillary running for President is that it would be a race between a hard-core conservative willing to sell their soul for a political career and whoever the GOP picks.

Seriously, I don't like Hillary. She co-sponsored a bill to criminalize flag-burning, for God's sake! I have never met anyone who has burned a flag as part of a protest who was not a total douche, but you can't say it isn't political speech. It is one of the most clear-cut cases of "I don't like it, but I will defend your right to do it" that there is.

And as long as the GOP is diaper-chewing insane, the majority of Americans will vote for her instead.

Magorn:In retrospect, given everything that's happened since. I stand by each and every one of those words. A bit purple, maybe, but not by much. This is why I was overjoyed when I say the other GL thread about Obama reportedly quietly promising Warren support if she runs. I really do want an alternative to Hillary. I simply do not trust her judgment.

I am right on board with you, maybe not as passionately but with similar reason. Hillary is a perfect example of how our country continues to shift right, but she's getting to the point where she's next to the big seat. Either Bernie Sanders moves a ton of new weight into the Independent scene or Warren takes back her denial of the chance, otherwise it's Hillary's election to take. Better than the choices with the R next to their names, but still not ideal.

This is by no means over yet though, as we saw in 2007 and 2008. It would be funny to see all the vitriol for her just up and disappear if she loses another primary and the hatemongers need to fear the person who beats her instead. Years of effort...

/but really, voters need to get out there in the midterms and slow some of the anti-progress that could happen

beefoe:Ummm, it was Hillary that invented the term "vast right-wing conspiracy". She claimed that it was a "vast right wing conspiracy" that was making stories about her husband banging pretty much anything with a heartbeat, instead of the actual fact that her husband was actually banging anything with a heartbeat.

Hilary Clinton said a "vast right-wing conspiracy" tried to bring her husband down by any means necessary. She was right, and Scaife paid for most of it. The "Arkansas Project" as it was known, involved created the whitewater story, found Paula Jones by dragging $100 bills through trailer parks, created "Troopergate" and invented from whole cloth the Vince foster was murdered story. David Brooks the man who was the lead "hitman" later had a change of heart and laid it all out chapter and verse.

GameSprocket:The problem with Hillary running for President is that it would be a race between a hard-core conservative willing to sell their soul for a political career and whoever the GOP picks.

Seriously, I don't like Hillary. She co-sponsored a bill to criminalize flag-burning, for God's sake! I have never met anyone who has burned a flag as part of a protest who was not a total douche, but you can't say it isn't political speech. It is one of the most clear-cut cases of "I don't like it, but I will defend your right to do it" that there is.

TO say nothing of her involvement with "The Family" that cult-like group of bible thumpers who helped push Uganda's anti-gay laws and tried to cover up John Ensign's affair because they teach that if you are in power than you are God's anointed one, and therefore can also do no wrong.

GameSprocket:The problem with Hillary running for President is that it would be a race between a hard-core conservative willing to sell their soul for a political career and whoever the GOP picks.

Seriously, I don't like Hillary. She co-sponsored a bill to criminalize flag-burning, for God's sake! I have never met anyone who has burned a flag as part of a protest who was not a total douche, but you can't say it isn't political speech. It is one of the most clear-cut cases of "I don't like it, but I will defend your right to do it" that there is.

GameSprocket:The problem with Hillary running for President is that it would be a race between a hard-core conservative willing to sell their soul for a political career and whoever the GOP picks.

Seriously, I don't like Hillary. She co-sponsored a bill to criminalize flag-burning, for God's sake! I have never met anyone who has burned a flag as part of a protest who was not a total douche, but you can't say it isn't political speech. It is one of the most clear-cut cases of "I don't like it, but I will defend your right to do it" that there is.