When I or, anyone else for that matters, post an PM or send e-mail to another individual, either on this forum here or sent via W3..Do you or anyone else have the abilties to view, access the context of that material in any way shape or form? Is a backup copy of either the PM or email kept on the server as well, even when it's been deleted>??

Andy posted this a few days back but you may have missed it. Neither he or the Moderators have any way to see the message traffic in the PM system. The Email system is a pass through , no email that is sent to or by a member is stored from what I know about the software. Also if you delete a PM it is gone. The system does not archive them into a folder like outlook does.

I will let Andy speak to the actual features of the upgrade but I like the clean interface, just waiting to get some of the "extra" pages back with the cool quick links.

How many Airstream products are actually listed in ALL of the advertisements at the top?????????

I am not impressed with a sell out.

Software is okay, just needs some fine tuning. I suspect the activity level will decline even lower than it was last week.

Some numbers were clouded by the "Activity" level. 500% have interacted at least once or are considered active but the fact remains that only 11% have posted more than a substantial 20 times.

Most people are incapable of being interactive because they could barely get past the registration process. Now the newbies and predominantly PC novices are going to have an even tougher time getting acquainted to the forum. I am certain that time will heal the activity level but I cannot help but think that the forum will degrade in activity for a while.

As for Karma, another mislead! As compared to Forum Apparel, Forum store goods, Forum membership stickers, and anything else that was promoted at one time or another. For those people that did not catch the maiden voyage, karma was originated as an incentive to interact with a promise of redemption for prizes or Forum goods.

Andy posted this a few days back but you may have missed it. Neither he or the Moderators have any way to see the message traffic in the PM system. The Email system is a pass through , no email that is sent to or by a member is stored from what I know about the software. Also if you delete a PM it is gone. The system does not archive them into a folder like outlook does.

While I respect you and, what your status as a Super Moderator represents.. My questions were directed to Andy and, it deserves to be answered in-depth only by Andy, as I feel only he has these details.

53FC

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A full reply is expected from you and, not from any Moderator..Plse~!!

These are question for Andy..
Then, I take it that all the on-line activities of this resident server that "airstreamforums" 'lives on' isn't off loaded to a "backup" server for recovery of all it's activities? Does this apply also, to the server which the email goes thru? Do you or anyone else have access to this?
I personally feel that everyone should be aware of and, know that all internet activities are not just simply send to a "bit bucket heaven".
I like to see the link to the thread where your (Andy's) reply was posted (?) as such..I'd like to read it in it's original contexts~
This question had been raised by others and, I just like to see it laid to rest once and, for all..Maybe, an addition to the forum policy statement covering this is in order..??
ciao
53FC

I spent the bulk of my career as director of Informaton Systems for a large corporation. Trust me--at first you'll hear, "I like the old system better." Then after the learning curve--appreciation of the improvements. Then some valid suggestions to improve it.

I have a 1280 pixel wide computer, but the new forum is seems to be designed for 800 pixel wide monitors. So I have two inches of "wasted real estate" on each side of the web page. The old forum was adjustable. Can we make this one adjustable too?

53FC, Brett was trying to tell you that Andy DID answer the PM question already, sometime last week. The thread is out there. You just didn't see it. I'd give you the link but I don't recall where it was.

Anyway, nobody should kid themselves. Policy or not, there was no promise to anyone that this was a "secure" site or that data would be protected, etc. This is a public forum, run by volunteers ... I'd keep that in mind.

Ok...found that forum statsitcs no longer works...then today, found that the main page takes a fairly long time to completely draw.....also had some strange thing happen. Replied to a post, went back to the main page and I got part old, part new looking main page where there was a message that Andy was going to take down the server from 1-6pm. Hit refresh and it went away. I'm thinking that it was a cache thing though.

On other thing that I noticed is that when clicking on a thread that has multiple pages, it used to more times than not, take me automatically to the last page of the thread....now it always starts as the first.

Ok, that's what I've found so far.

I agree that once folks get accustomed to the new one, the old one will be a faint memory. Resistance is futile!

While I respect you and, what your status as a Super Moderator represents.. My questions were directed to Andy and, it deserves to be answered in-depth only by Andy, as I feel only he has these details.

rluhrI understand what Brett was trying to achieve and, I appreciate that.
What I wanted to do was (in hindsight) get the answers out there for a few troubled minds about email, etc..I fully understand, speaking for myself, how some of these features work and, could be used in the future by any of the arms of the judical system..
I agree with you..This is, for the most part, a free system.
I feel one should have that freedom of mind, when using it as the forum was intended`

There is not feature available throught the software to read other members PMs. Theoretically I have access to the database and could run my own queries, but I am not going to do that. I am a firm believer in privacy have never looked at any avtive member's PMs.

Even tho his ans didn't address the issue of emails..KWIM?
I'll let others judge for themselves if his answer is suffice for them.
I'm gonna go back to enjoying and, dreaming of my Airstream..lol

Generally I like it, but I do miss the rivets around the logo and the blue background. I appreciate having the "Logout" button at the top of the page.

Smily expressed the opinion that use of the forum would degrade over time, and that only 11% of users are actually interactive. In 20+ years of using everything from Bitnet bulletin boards to these forums, that decline in usage is a common pattern. It seems to me that people get on and are excited, but finally run out of substantive things to say. Or someone highjacks a board or thread and people get irritated and drop out. Another aspect is that on strong forums like this where there is a significant knowledge base established, even new users have learned to search for the info they need and don't necessarily feel they have to chat about it.

Last, in the spirit of new Spring clothes, I've changed my user name from my initials (EAP) to my loyalty to U Michigan (maznblu). So, I'm not truly a new member. I've been here since May 2002, but was just shy of earning my third rivet.

Yes, I too miss my newly awarded and decorative 4 (four) rivets! Now I'm just a registered user. BTW, is there a way to change that to say something else? Anyway, this server is like the ones my son frequents for the paintball forums...new stuff, higher tech, etc...
Guess i'll be able to show him around there better now that we both are on the 'same page'. Alot of hard work into this though, and for what it's worth, as a businessman myself, kudos on snagging those paying advertising clients.

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