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Ufatz 0

As just one guy I gotta say there is no comparison: the Yamaha wins it all hands down. You want dependable? Look around the world at the fishing camps out where the road ends. See what they run. They can't afford downtime. They run Yamaha.

But....you do what you want.

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TravisC 0

When i bought my ranger i looked at both only in 250hp. the yamaha was $3000 cheaper a little lighter not much. and better fuel economy. the verado is a awesome engine about 2-3 mph faster than my yamaha and better holeshot. but the guys i talked to running the same boat use alot more fuel. the verado is quieter at idle also. hope this helps.

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caseymcq 0

I think either motor would be a good option for a 4-stroke. I own Alumacraft with a 75 HP 4-stroke Yamaha and I love it. It starts instantly, quiet, power, runs smooth.

That being said, have you considered an Opti-max? In all of the articles that I have read in Bass and Walleye Boats the Opti-max seemed to be about the best overall. It usually beat the 4-strokes in fuel efficiency. Did really well in hole shot. Took top end speed a few times and when it didn't was usually towards the top. It is lighter than 150 hp 4 strokes (Verado 508lbs, Yamaha 466, Opti-max 431).

It seemed early on these motors had their bugs but I think Mercury has really refined them. If I were buying a new boat and was looking at anything over 100 hp I would be looking at getting an Opti-max

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Black_Bay 0

The one thing to remember here is that we're talking about the 150 Verado... which is a different block than the 250. Just about everything I've heard about the 250 has been really positive.

The preliminary reports I've heard on the 150 is that they don't run quite as good as the bigger blocks - they don't have the supercharger on them, so the throttle response is quite a bit different and I've heard a little that the fuel economy isn't quite as good in the smaller hp size...

Just what I've heard. I will say that they're both great motors, but that the smaller block verado's aren't the same as the larger block ones performance wise.

The yamaha's a great motor too...

marine_man

All the Verados are supercharged, including the 135 hp through the 200 hp 4 cyl models. In fact the baby Verados are the same motor as the big Verados with 2 less cyl.

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Try Too Fish 0

What size boat do you have. I want to put this on an 1850 Tyee. Im not needing 50 mph top speed. Just want a decent hole shot and quiet motor! What kind of speeds do you get on your boat. Top end and how slow will it troll? It will be used for mostly if not only fishing!

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cold one sd 0

Try Too Fish, My 150 is on a 1800 Fisherman which should be a close match for your Tyee. I can't say how slow it trolls with the Verado because I have a 9.9 Pro Kicker also. I don't think I would have any problem trolling cranks with it though. Mine only has about 20 hours on it and isn't quite loosened up yet. I get about 48 mph at 6,120 rpms and I should get more when it gets broke in more. A friend has the same boat with a Verado 175 and he tops out at 57 mph. I'm very satisfied with mine and I don't know anyone around here with a Verado that doesn't like it. I don't care much about holeshots, but it is a bit better than a 150 Optimax on an identical boat loaded the same. My dealer had them on the lake comparing them one day and he said the Verado had a better holeshot and top end, and they were about equal in midrange when loaded the same. I didn't ask him any questions.

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cold one sd 0

I deleted mine too guy. It seems like every forum that I get on has someone cutting Verados down and it mostly bogus information. The owners club is a good place for information and there is another place called the Hull Truth that has some information also.

Went out yesterday after the wake and visitation with Finn. He flushed two hens and I saw him chasing a rooster but I am not fast enough to keep up. It flushed about a hundred yards out from me. We seen one grouse but it flushed 60 yards in front of Finn and he was only 10 yards infront of me. Then Finn started going crazy so he headed into the cat tails and wow 50 or so mallards flew at me and then 7 big swans. Finn did not look happy that I just watched them. It was a fun little trip.
Anyone else Lise out there chasing birds yet?

Quick question, we have never come up in the winter, but it's my understanding the ice is usually questionable around Oak Narrows and Timbuktu. Does anyone know what the ice is usually like in Birch Narrows (West Hinsdale) and Smarts Bay (SW area Hinsdale) around the Retreat Lodge Area which is where our island property is.
Thanks for any insight