I do. I'd like to live in a country where our principles are better than those of the terrorists we despise. You know - being *better* than them, even if it means a tougher job of maintaining our security.

CitizenTed:OMG! We're All Gonna Die!: It is definitly torture. The thing is; I don't care if they torture terrorists.

I do. I'd like to live in a country where our principles are better than those of the terrorists we despise. You know - being *better* than them, even if it means a tougher job of maintaining our security.

Funny. I seem to remember a time when that was the case, with only a few notable exceptions.

Evil Mackerel:xria: Weaver95: if you are an authoritarian, you'd have a difficult time convicting someone of waterboarding/treating waterboarding as a crime without contradicting your belief that its not a crime when the US government does it to suspected terrorists.

It's okay when we do it (tm)

Anyone says waterboarding is ok should have to go through the procedure.

Weaver95:if you are an authoritarian, you'd have a difficult time convicting someone of waterboarding/treating waterboarding as a crime without contradicting your belief that its not a crime when the US government does it to suspected terrorists.

I am opposed to government-sanctioned torture, but your logic is flawed.

Police can tase people but parents cant tase their kids.Police can cuff people and put them in cages but parents cant cuff and cage their kids.

There are certain things those in authority do have the privilege of doing. It is not necessarily a contradiction.

Jesda:Weaver95: if you are an authoritarian, you'd have a difficult time convicting someone of waterboarding/treating waterboarding as a crime without contradicting your belief that its not a crime when the US government does it to suspected terrorists.

I am opposed to government-sanctioned torture, but your logic is flawed.

Police can tase people but parents cant tase their kids.Police can cuff people and put them in cages but parents cant cuff and cage their kids.

There are certain things those in authority do have the privilege of doing. It is not necessarily a contradiction.

How about going to war, bombing/shooting/nuking human beings who happen to be from another country?

CitizenTed:OMG! We're All Gonna Die!: It is definitly torture. The thing is; I don't care if they torture terrorists.

I do. I'd like to live in a country where our principles are better than those of the terrorists we despise. You know - being *better* than them, even if it means a tougher job of maintaining our security.

Void_Beavis:DeathCipris: Void_Beavis: DeathCipris: This is sad. I mean, I knew things were bad here in 'Murica, but this is seriously out of hand. At the risk of sounding like a teatard, how much more bullshiat are we going to take before we actually use the ohh-so-many guns we have here and smite someone that deserves it for a change?

Because in neo con logic, a bunch of first graders had it coming to them because Jesus is pissed at us... Or something like that.

I know you are being tongue-in-cheek there, but I am seriously thinking about leaving this festering shiathole before it completely implodes on itself. The level of religious fervor, backwards conservatives, and the stance that MY elected government takes on some of these issues is downright appalling. I am not so blind as to not notice the level of corporate infiltration into our government, the corruption at the highest echelons of leadership, and the lack of compassion the government has for anyone but the top 1%. Now this? The government can abduct and torture people without any sort of grounds other than an executive designation as an "enemy combatant"? How is this not transforming into a dictatorship? This isn't partisan either and both sides have blood or rather water on their hands.This is not the usual "wahh" bullshiat after an election either. Hell, I wanted Obama back in office. But this is just too much for me...

Lets not mention the ones who are anti-abortion and anti-contraceptive and yet support the proliferation of massive firearms without restriction and the death penalty.

How is that for a "late-term" abortion? Shooting a first grader in the face with an assault rifle.

OMG! We're All Gonna Die!It is definitly torture. The thing is; I don't care if they torture terrorists.

What about innocent guys with names very similar to that of terrorists?

/whatever we empower the government to do to guilty people will inevitably also be done to innocent people//and forget the whole abandoning our leadership position on human rights and undermining 100 years of progress in the name of catching a few religious extremist dinks///and forget that we're sending our army off to win hearts and minds honorably////despite risking their own lives//and hey, why not legalize waterboarding for criminal suspects, too? there are some pretty bad criminals out there!//enjoy your slippery slope of ethical decline, once great nation whom I love

Waterboarding was repeatedly used by the Bush administration on terrorist suspects, but was not a crime when performed by the U.S. government.

LIAR! LIAR! LIAR!

Water-boarding is an international war crime and the US has previously persecuted people for such actions. Just because the Repulitards have a Jesus fantasy of torturing Muslims and no law enforcement agency in the US had the balls to arrest George Bush, Dick Chaney, Donald Rumsfield, or Condelisa Rice does not mean it is not a crime and illegal.

.I bet you get a woody when Obama does it though.

Umm...when has Obama done it? Last I heard he outlawed the use of "Alternative Interrogation" techniques. So, please show me where anyone in the Obama administration had done that, cite your farking source you poo flinging monkey.

good luck with that, you and I both know he's a festering shiathead. As far as I can remember he's never contributed to a conversation. Frankly my only question is whether he's actually who he sounds like or if he's an intentional caricature of a deep-south bible belt GOP asshat.

Jument:Jesda: Weaver95: if you are an authoritarian, you'd have a difficult time convicting someone of waterboarding/treating waterboarding as a crime without contradicting your belief that its not a crime when the US government does it to suspected terrorists.

I am opposed to government-sanctioned torture, but your logic is flawed.

Police can tase people but parents cant tase their kids.Police can cuff people and put them in cages but parents cant cuff and cage their kids.

There are certain things those in authority do have the privilege of doing. It is not necessarily a contradiction.

How about going to war, bombing/shooting/nuking human beings who happen to be from another country?

Depends. Are we talking about parents bombing their own children in their home?