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Because a 5 might for whatever reasons for example desire help to understand themselves and the theory because they feel they are too incompetent to do so on their own? I've done type me threads and asked people for help typing me and I'm a 5. You can't use that as an argument against 5-ness. Then you're looking at behavior again, not motivations.

For the record, I was trying to trace his behavior back to e5 stuff (avarice, competence, etc.), aka motivation. Personally, I don't see that as a 5 thing, the comment in bold. Perhaps more 6-ish in nature and very NF-y. I will stick to what I said earlier though. If a type's passion is avarice and it is competence based driven by fear, then doing what I mentioned earlier is conceding power (it's a power type after all - line to 8). It is admitting incompetence. How many actual 5s do this? Make threads asking for their type. Not a whole lot I bet. Even if they are mistyped, they'll figure it out on their own.

The argument for gut could go either way. There's not enough information because he is clearly withholding information, and that is quite stereotypically 5-like too.

Hmmm, from my perspective, he gave enough information regarding his gut. At least enough to cross out e8. I guess we will have to agree to disagree here.

I didn't say "feel they belong to a group", I clearly wrote: "in relation to wanting to be a part of the group". It even says so in the quote that you quoted. We are still aware of our blind spot and we can feel consciously averse of spending focus on our blind spot which can appear counter-culture too. The difference between the blind spot and non-blind spot is that the blind spot also tends to induce a sense of shame or similar because we perceive it as a weakness.

Okay, but what about this comment from the OP?:

I want to be successful and well known in my fields. It would give me enormous satisfaction to show the world my creations. Think in new patterns to bring forward novel perspectives about things.

It's this, along with various other stuff, and the comments about the social anxiety that is difficult to see why he isn't higher social.

For the record, I was trying to trace his behavior back to e5 stuff (avarice, competence, etc.), aka motivation. Personally, I don't see that as a 5 thing, the comment in bold. Perhaps more 6-ish in nature and very NF-y. I will stick to what I said earlier though. If a type's passion is avarice and it is competence based driven by fear, then doing what I mentioned earlier is conceding power (it's a power type after all - line to 8). It is admitting incompetence. How many actual 5s do this? Make threads asking for their type. Not a whole lot I bet. Even if they are mistyped, they'll figure it out on their own.

I don't think so. I think it's more related to 4 than 6. And mature people will regardless of their type admit their flaws. Why do something you know you're incompetent at if you know you're incompetent? It just reveals your incompetency and thus also leads to anxiety.

Hmmm, from my perspective, he gave enough information regarding his gut. At least enough to cross out e8. I guess we will have to agree to disagree here.

And did you see @Maybe's response to that and how she strongly related? She's an 8 and soc blind spot. @Vergil also strongly relates to his thinking and she's a 1 again, soc blind spot. I don't think wanting to show people your creations must necessarily indicate soc. I want to share my ideas with people too but it doesn't make it soc either. When I answered that question myself when I took that questionnaire I answered it with that I wanted to write a book with some great idea to share with the world. I'm soc blind spot. I think you're looking at things a bit too superficially again.

It's this, along with various other stuff, and the comments about the social anxiety that is difficult to see why he isn't higher social.

I never claimed core 5 by the way. I think he's 5 fixed. I do however think a lot of his thinking reflects that of 5 (or possibly 1, it's competency-driven) but I really fail to see the 3 here, part because I fail to see the connection to 6 and 9.

In actuality I've seen stronger arguments provided for 1 than 3. Also, no one disagrees about a 3 fix but thus far I'm doubtful at it being a core motivation. Similarly, "thinking in novel patterns" could equally indicate 7 that @Flatlander already made an argument for.

And did you see @Maybe's response to that and how she strongly related? She's an 8 and soc blind spot. @Vergil also strongly relates to his thinking and she's a 1 again, soc blind spot. I don't think wanting to show people your creations must necessarily indicate soc. I want to share my ideas with people too but it doesn't make it soc either. When I answered that question myself when I took that questionnaire I answered it with that I wanted to write a book with some great idea to share
with the world. I'm soc blind spot. I think you're looking at things a bit too superficially again.

Fair enough. I'm not invested enough to go any further on the OP's type. I've said what I wanted to say. But I will say this... it doesn't matter so much to me whether these people relate to him because

1. Others of various types relate to me and I'm not the same type as them. Of course I could be mistyped.
2. You guys could be mistyped.

And I admit that the stuff I say is superficial, but what's been described in this thread regarding 9 such as this:

I've seen plenty of 9s, both healthy and unhealthy variants on this forum, and you don't strike me as a 9, not even a very insightful and healthy one. That you previously mentioned that your mental health isn't that good but you are capable of expressing this without romanticizing it is a strong argument against 9 alone. 9s tend to lack this insight by focusing on something pleasant since that mentality is a part of their pathology.

and the 8 lust interpretation is linear and lacking in substance. I've seen a lot of 9s do the melancholic thing, and over focus on it, which goes against "focusing on something pleasant" that you mentioned. But oh they must be a 4! On the contrary. Also the 8 descriptions, it sounds like something from anime. I suppose that is the difficulty of trying to translate the 3 dimensional aspect of an individual. Everyone ends up getting 2D cartoons one way or another.

Fair enough. I'm not invested enough to go any further on the OP's type. I've said what I wanted to say. But I will say this... it doesn't matter so much to me whether these people relate to him because

1. Others of various types relate to me and I'm not the same type as them. Of course I could be mistyped.
2. You guys could be mistyped.

I wouldn't cite them if I didn't think they were properly typed and have a good grasp of the theory. It was Vergil who suggested 1 core for example because she noted a lot of reasoning she could relate to and see in herself as a core 1 and the way she presented that information was legit so I simply thought it's plausible.

And I admit that the stuff I say is superficial, but what's been described in this thread regarding 9 such as this:

Why continue say superficial things then? It's not helping the OP. If it's superficial typing we're after we could as well just handle him a couple of type descriptions and ask him which one he relates to the most and be done with it.

and the 8 lust interpretation is linear and lacking in substance. I've seen a lot of 9s do the melancholic thing, and over focus on it, which goes against "focusing on something pleasant" that you mentioned. But oh they must be a 4! On the contrary. Also the 8 descriptions, it sounds like something from anime. I suppose that is the difficulty of trying to translate the 3 dimensional aspect of an individual. Everyone ends up getting 2D cartoons one way or another.

I've seen 9s do the melancholy thing because I'm good friends with a 9w8 who is 5 fixed. The difference is significant enough for me to safely say that the OP does not even remotely resemble her behavior and thinking when she was disintegrated. And there are other examples I could cite as well that exemplify this. The OP does again not fit the bill.

That, or as @Vergil pointed out as Maybe and I discussed in more private a potential for 1 core with a 9 wing. It's hard to say.

Doubtful of having a 1 core.

Perhaps we can if you are willing to be open about what may have caused it.

Why should I?

What does this mean?

I don't know. Ignore it.

This sounds a bit like an soc blind spot.

I think it is.

Why is that?

It makes me uncomfortable. I like to stay on people's good sides mostly. It just makes things even more difficult if I have to worry about interaction with them in the future. That doesn't mean I'll stay agreeable if it is important. "Important" being if they say something that is factually incorrect, they make a wrong assumption about me, or attack a value.

What does "correct" way mean to you? Although I already figured as much. Is it an anxiety of saying the wrong thing or is it an anxiety of revealing too much?

Anxious of saying it in such a way that it is misinterpreted or not completely true, by accident.

Originally Posted by Loki

You can decide for yourself OP, here's a good thread on instincts.

I believe it's sp/sx now.

Originally Posted by DJ Arendee

do you ever feel like you have to remind yourself what our own goals are and detatch yourself from helping others with their own ambitions?

No, I always know what they are.

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Pretty pointless at this stage, but I thought I'd share the result I got from PerC's Enneagram test:

You are a Type 5 with a 6 wing: "The Scientist"

Your trifix is 5w6, 3w4, 1w2.

5w6 and 3w4 have got to be part of it. All we need is the third (and which is core).

Well, the more information you provide the easier it is to type you obviously.

I don't know. Ignore it.

Ok.

It makes me uncomfortable. I like to stay on people's good sides mostly. It just makes things even more difficult if I have to worry about interaction with them in the future. That doesn't mean I'll stay agreeable if it is important. "Important" being if they say something that is factually incorrect, they make a wrong assumption about me, or attack a value.

Makes sense.

Anxious of saying it in such a way that it is misinterpreted or not completely true, by accident.

Does this kind of information focus, what information means, what it conveys, matter a lot to you?

I would venture to say that 5's are just like 8's, except 2nd in line for dominance. I've met some powerful 5's in my day, some of them look like 8w7's when they're angry. One guy I knew used to just go out to bars and party as his way of relieving stress, but when he got home he just read books about investing, constantly, obsessively, with no direction to his learning. When I read, its very specific to what I'm trying to accomplish. He just reads for the sake of gaining knowledge, and is often times the brain behind my own business endeavors.