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Bahrain was awesome. Really put team mates up against each other. Aaaaan Ricciardo beat Vettel. Not to mention the awesome fight for first with the Mercedes cars. Although I'm rooting for Mercedes, was a shame for Ferrari. Force India seemed to come out of no where and surprised the Hell out of me though.

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So someone counts beans, right? Is it cheaper to have Vettel refuse team orders and publicly air laundry vs having him listen and potentially putting the other car on the podium? Weighing exposure money vs team points money would be interesting.

So someone counts beans, right? Is it cheaper to have Vettel refuse team orders and publicly air laundry vs having him listen and potentially putting the other car on the podium? Weighing exposure money vs team points money would be interesting.

If exposure is more profitable I'd love to see Vettel ram Alonso.

Vettel's complete lack of sensibility and smart calls makes me think he is desperate for attention since he has kind of taken a back seat to Ricciardo.
Highlight of the race was Vettel saying "Tough luck..." to team orders asking for him to allow Ricciardo pass and then getting passed by Ricciardo anyway. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy on the inside.

I wonder if it's not his complete lack of sensibility that's helped make him a millionaire.

I agree about the highlight of the race; in fact that's what lead me to my quesion: I wonder if it's more profitable for Red Bull to air dirty laundry (perhaps even generate dirty laundry specifically to then air it?!) than it is to fight for a few more points given that team points translate to money for the team at the end of the season. So it's possible that was all for show... Since the teams can chose which conversations make airtime and which don't, and this one made the broadcast, I wonder who made that decision and why. Are we being lead?

So, somebody must be doing cost:benefit analyses for each scenario I suppose, and I just wonder which option makes them the most ca$h.

I'm pretty sure it would be most beneficial, financially, to get Ricciardo on the podium rather than having him fight past his childish teammate. Seriously, Ricciardo would have had a better chance to pass Alonso if he didnt have to wait two laps to get past Vettel. More points more money, I would think.

Did you hear how Vettel is downplaying his rebbellious inner child? He is claiming that initially he thought they were on the same strategy (three stop I think) but after getting word that Ricciardo is on two stop, he let him pass. I don't buy it. I'm convinced he is at it again.

I'm pretty sure it would be most beneficial, financially, to get Ricciardo on the podium rather than having him fight past his childish teammate. Seriously, Ricciardo would have had a better chance to pass Alonso if he didnt have to wait two laps to get past Vettel. More points more money, I would think.

Did you hear how Vettel is downplaying his rebbellious inner child? He is claiming that initially he thought they were on the same strategy (three stop I think) but after getting word that Ricciardo is on two stop, he let him pass. I don't buy it. I'm convinced he is at it again.

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I would think the points would matter more in the end too, and I thought at the time that Ricciardo had a decent chance to catch Alonso had Vettel not delayed him. Since Ricciardo was so much quicker than Vettel at that stage, once the pace difference and the tyre strategy had become clear to Vettel I think it was pointless to fight, much less posture.

I wonder, has Vettel given this year's car a silly name like he did with cars in the past?

Also, I wonder how many world championships Vettel has won. Since the announcers didn't repeat the number more than a dozen times, I think I might write them a letter begging them to tell us all at least one hundred times per broadcast. That's a pet pieve of mine...

Also, I wonder how many world championships Vettel has won. Since the announcers didn't repeat the number more than a dozen times, I think I might write them a letter begging them to tell us all at least one hundred times per broadcast. That's a pet pieve of mine...

+1.

With the exception of his pretty amazing ability to come out in qualifying and immediately put in a great lap over the last few seasons, I don't rate Vettel as a driver very much. He simply had the best car. So I don't find it surprising that he's struggling now that's no longer the case.

I'm not convinced there's too much theater going on during the race, as far as the drivers are concerned. I think there has to be an enormous amount of adrenaline flowing while racing at those speeds, so for the drivers to say anything other than what's really on their mind seems hard to believe. I wasn't aware the teams had any say over which radio messages were broadcast. I thought that was purely down to race control. But, if that's not the case, then I can absolutely see the teams using it to their financial advantage. Any advertising's good advertising, right? It sounds even more plausible for a team whose sponsor IS the team.

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Intermission... Between Grands Prix and in the spirit of a Subaru forum here is the Subaru-powered (I'm using "powered" very generously) F1 car in its natural habitat (Gachot's car; Montreal CA 1990). The indifferent Subaru flat 12 and the Coloni organization's infrastructure combined into an unprecedented fiasco.

Coloni eventually did the right thing and got Ford engines. Good times.

With the exception of his pretty amazing ability to come out in qualifying and immediately put in a great lap over the last few seasons, I don't rate Vettel as a driver very much. He simply had the best car. So I don't find it surprising that he's struggling now that's no longer the case.

I'm not convinced there's too much theater going on during the race, as far as the drivers are concerned. I think there has to be an enormous amount of adrenaline flowing while racing at those speeds, so for the drivers to say anything other than what's really on their mind seems hard to believe. I wasn't aware the teams had any say over which radio messages were broadcast. I thought that was purely down to race control. But, if that's not the case, then I can absolutely see the teams using it to their financial advantage. Any advertising's good advertising, right? It sounds even more plausible for a team whose sponsor IS the team.

For what its worth, Vettel tends to behave this way regularly. I am sure you guys remember in seasons past, in spite of a points advantage, when Vettel was asked to let a faster team mate pass, he refused. That is largely why poor old Webber ended up leaving.

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