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Posted on 16-02-2011 at 2.34PM

Hi.. yes it applies to well off families who dont work as well as people on benefits, and yes i know its hard getting a job, but i was looking for a salary of over 40k, so a bit harder i think than one paying half. There seem to be a lot of those. If you look for the social fund thread on here, there are people saying what they got, and at least 2 people said they got holiday vouchers enough to go abroad.. If you google the social fund website they have a page and theres photos of lots of things you can apply for.
I was arguing with the jobcentre as having claimed jobseekers of £63 per week, had my council tax paid and had £390 per month in tax credit, for the last month, the run on we all thought applied doesnt to me, and it all stops the day before i go to work. That means until i get paid i have to find enough to feed my kids, travel, childcare etc.. apparently despite the fact i have no savings, apparently if i had been unemployed for 6 months i would have got the money for the next month until i get paid. Last week i had to visit the dentist and the bill had to be paid by me as i am not on the qualifying jobseekers. i dont know why that is.. and i have had to pay the childcare while i have been off or i would have lost my place, and that would have really messed me up for working. The problem is i havent been unemployed long enough. I have had to ask the dentist and the childcare if i can pay end of march, take a payment holiday on my mortgage, sell loads of clothes on ebay to pay for petrol, and if you care to look at the budgeting thread, i have stopped using my tumble drier, and am cooking from scratch, walking everywhere. kids have had to stop their music lessons and i have rung all my utilities and explained and got the march payment date sorted. i would sell my car but someone hit it and cannot afford the £300 excess to get it fixed for selling. The jobcentre told me to apply to that site for help with petrol and childcare costs in march.
I won't . I will use my credit card where i can, and use my money for stuff i cannot then pay it back from future salary.
Massive assumption people are making here, that i havent struggled. I have and do what i do to avoid future struggle.

Alot of working families do get CB and working tax credits actually. Weather you’re a worker or a non-worker dawn everyone has to pay bills on time. Are you trying to say people on benefits get treated differently than working people about paying bills.

When I was with my partner my kids used to go to 2 paid clubs a week. When he left me I kept it going for a while but eventually had to stop them because no matter how much I tried to cut back on things there was no way I could afford to keep these clubs up living on benefits. It came to the choice of food or swimming classes. I am quite a proud person and apart for the last few years have always worked (and I come from a strong work ethic background), but if the school offer to give free gymnastic lessons to my kids I’d be more than happy to let them do this. Kids should not miss out, all children should have the same chance to learn skills.And susan with regards to your sociology & criminology course I would like to know if this same link with children not seeing where all there things comes from applies to children from well off families who get spoiled and then become, young, dumb and living off mum! I think effort and reward comes from good parenting not from who paid for the gym class. Oh and can you let me know how I can get a free holiday…. maybe all us benefit mums can go away together on a great free break….:party:And you yourself have admitted how hard finding work can be I certainly do not want to be claiming benefits for much longer.

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Hi.. yes it applies to well off families who dont work as well as people on benefits, and yes i know its hard getting a job, but i was looking for a salary of over 40k, so a bit harder i think than one paying half. There seem to be a lot of those. If you look for the social fund thread on here, there are people saying what they got, and at least 2 people said they got holiday vouchers enough to go abroad.. If you google the social fund website they have a page and theres photos of lots of things you can apply for.

I was arguing with the jobcentre as having claimed jobseekers of £63 per week, had my council tax paid and had £390 per month in tax credit, for the last month, the run on we all thought applied doesnt to me, and it all stops the day before i go to work. That means until i get paid i have to find enough to feed my kids, travel, childcare etc.. apparently despite the fact i have no savings, apparently if i had been unemployed for 6 months i would have got the money for the next month until i get paid. Last week i had to visit the dentist and the bill had to be paid by me as i am not on the qualifying jobseekers. i dont know why that is.. and i have had to pay the childcare while i have been off or i would have lost my place, and that would have really messed me up for working. The problem is i havent been unemployed long enough. I have had to ask the dentist and the childcare if i can pay end of march, take a payment holiday on my mortgage, sell loads of clothes on ebay to pay for petrol, and if you care to look at the budgeting thread, i have stopped using my tumble drier, and am cooking from scratch, walking everywhere. kids have had to stop their music lessons and i have rung all my utilities and explained and got the march payment date sorted. i would sell my car but someone hit it and cannot afford the £300 excess to get it fixed for selling. The jobcentre told me to apply to that site for help with petrol and childcare costs in march.

I won't . I will use my credit card where i can, and use my money for stuff i cannot then pay it back from future salary.

Massive assumption people are making here, that i havent struggled. I have and do what i do to avoid future struggle.

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Posted on 16-02-2011 at 2.40PM

You keep mentioning social fund, you sure you haven't mixed it up with family fund a charity that helps disabled children?
with the social fund they dont send vouchers or have a flashy website offering holidays etc, you apply for basic things you need.

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Hi.. yes it applies to well off families who dont work as well as people on benefits, and yes i know its hard getting a job, but i was looking for a salary of over 40k, so a bit harder i think than one paying half. There seem to be a lot of those. If you look for the social fund thread on here, there are people saying what they got, and at least 2 people said they got holiday vouchers enough to go abroad.. If you google the social fund website they have a page and theres photos of lots of things you can apply for.

I was arguing with the jobcentre as having claimed jobseekers of £63 per week, had my council tax paid and had £390 per month in tax credit, for the last month, the run on we all thought applied doesnt to me, and it all stops the day before i go to work. That means until i get paid i have to find enough to feed my kids, travel, childcare etc.. apparently despite the fact i have no savings, apparently if i had been unemployed for 6 months i would have got the money for the next month until i get paid. Last week i had to visit the dentist and the bill had to be paid by me as i am not on the qualifying jobseekers. i dont know why that is.. and i have had to pay the childcare while i have been off or i would have lost my place, and that would have really messed me up for working. The problem is i havent been unemployed long enough. I have had to ask the dentist and the childcare if i can pay end of march, take a payment holiday on my mortgage, sell loads of clothes on ebay to pay for petrol, and if you care to look at the budgeting thread, i have stopped using my tumble drier, and am cooking from scratch, walking everywhere. kids have had to stop their music lessons and i have rung all my utilities and explained and got the march payment date sorted. i would sell my car but someone hit it and cannot afford the £300 excess to get it fixed for selling. The jobcentre told me to apply to that site for help with petrol and childcare costs in march.

I won't . I will use my credit card where i can, and use my money for stuff i cannot then pay it back from future salary.

Massive assumption people are making here, that i havent struggled. I have and do what i do to avoid future struggle.

You keep mentioning social fund, you sure you haven't mixed it up with family fund a charity that helps disabled children?

with the social fund they dont send vouchers or have a flashy website offering holidays etc, you apply for basic things you need.

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Posted on 16-02-2011 at 2.46PM

The social fund is a loan and is meant to be used for essentials like beds, not holidays or laptops, but what they choose to spend it on once it's in their hands is up to them, as they have to pay it back later.
Not really 'handouts' is it.
And leaving your children in childcare when they don't need to be seems to be an irresponsible waste of your jobseekers allowance, when you're at home yourself to care for them, you could have used that money to fix your car or some other way which have been productive!

The social fund is a loan and is meant to be used for essentials like beds, not holidays or laptops, but what they choose to spend it on once it's in their hands is up to them, as they have to pay it back later.

Not really 'handouts' is it.

And leaving your children in childcare when they don't need to be seems to be an irresponsible waste of your jobseekers allowance, when you're at home yourself to care for them, you could have used that money to fix your car or some other way which have been productive!

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Posted on 16-02-2011 at 2.54PM

But who says they are more entitled to those activities than my child? Just because we work it doesnt mean we can afford to pay! Our children suffer just as much so I agree with the posters who say that it should be free to all or not at all! Its right what the OP said about it simply isnt a fair thing at all!

Ok here's the way I see it- this scheme for kids who's parents are on benefits is just for the kids. It isn't an extra benefit for the parents, it doesn't give them any extra cash, it just gives the kids a chance to take part in an activity with their friends that other wise they wouldn't be able to.

The kids on benefits didn't ask to be born, they didn't pick their parents out of a catalogue. It isn't their fault that their parents are ill, out of work or just bone idle- so why do people want to hurt those children, by taking away something that is beneficial purely to them, not the parents?

My brother's father is a professional scrounger- he hasn't worked for 35 years and claims every benefit going. Do I begrudge him the money he claims for sitting on his bum? Of course I do. But I do not begrudge anything that his kids got to make their lives better, because at the end of the day it's not those kids fault that he couldn't be ***** to get up and get a job.

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But who says they are more entitled to those activities than my child? Just because we work it doesnt mean we can afford to pay! Our children suffer just as much so I agree with the posters who say that it should be free to all or not at all! Its right what the OP said about it simply isnt a fair thing at all!

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Posted on 16-02-2011 at 4.46PM

i agree usually, but my daughter changed schools in january, and the place i got in the school club was offered as i had been on the waiting list. I took it as was supposed to start a job in january but it fell through. That is why i didnt apply for jobseekers until mid january too. If i didnt pay for it, it would be offered to someone else. I knew i would get work and absolutely couldnt take the chance of losing that place, If i had lost that place there isnt really any childcare that suits because if i get stuck, i am relying on my 14 year old son to collect.. anybody who works knows what its like with childcare, you generally cannot drop the place and pick it up again for short term circumstances. I dont think anyone would think being unemployed for 5 weeks is worth losing a childcare place over.

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The social fund is a loan and is meant to be used for essentials like beds, not holidays or laptops, but what they choose to spend it on once it's in their hands is up to them, as they have to pay it back later.

Not really 'handouts' is it.

And leaving your children in childcare when they don't need to be seems to be an irresponsible waste of your jobseekers allowance, when you're at home yourself to care for them, you could have used that money to fix your car or some other way which have been productive!

i agree usually, but my daughter changed schools in january, and the place i got in the school club was offered as i had been on the waiting list. I took it as was supposed to start a job in january but it fell through. That is why i didnt apply for jobseekers until mid january too. If i didnt pay for it, it would be offered to someone else. I knew i would get work and absolutely couldnt take the chance of losing that place, If i had lost that place there isnt really any childcare that suits because if i get stuck, i am relying on my 14 year old son to collect.. anybody who works knows what its like with childcare, you generally cannot drop the place and pick it up again for short term circumstances. I dont think anyone would think being unemployed for 5 weeks is worth losing a childcare place over.

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Posted on 16-02-2011 at 5.09PM

I do agree, it isn't fair, but I think the idea is that if you work you should be able to afford things like that. But obviously that isn't the case in reality because there is a huge discrepancy between wages and the cost of living in this country, and something should be done about that- such as ensuring wages are high enough for people to live on, but it's not the answer to take away gym classes from children. Who does that help? No-one.

But who says they are more entitled to those activities than my child? Just because we work it doesnt mean we can afford to pay! Our children suffer just as much so I agree with the posters who say that it should be free to all or not at all! Its right what the OP said about it simply isnt a fair thing at all!

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I do agree, it isn't fair, but I think the idea is that if you work you should be able to afford things like that. But obviously that isn't the case in reality because there is a huge discrepancy between wages and the cost of living in this country, and something should be done about that- such as ensuring wages are high enough for people to live on, but it's not the answer to take away gym classes from children. Who does that help? No-one.

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Posted on 16-02-2011 at 5.54PM

First off I would like to say how sorry I fell for Dawn, after reading her initial post I cannot believe that there are all these people on here attacking her!! I don't think she has put anything in her original post that is horrible or rude about anyone. She was simpy expressing her frustration at something are we not all not allowed to do that??
Some people on here want to start an argument over anything and seem to take people's words and twist them around to make out it is some kind of personal attack on them it's pathetic and childish come on people GROW UP!!!
On the subject in discussion I think that EVERY child should be treated the same and given access to the same opportunities wether you work or are on benefits. After all it's not your children that decide if you work or not so why is it fair that they are essentially penalised for it??? I stay at home with my 2 studying for a uni course and my OH works full time and it can be a real struggle sometimes affording everything. I'm not saying that people on benefits aren't struggling cos I know they are and that it's hard and there are people out there trying thier hardest to get off benefits and its not easy at all!!
But sadly it's the children that are missing out in all of this, I do not know one working family that don't struggle in some part with affording things with thier children. So make the system fair is what I say!!
And to those who have attacked Dawn and taking it that she was personally insulting you should be ashamed of yourselves. I love coming on netmums its a great way to find support its not meant to vilify people when they say something you don't agree with after all you are nor FORCED to read or even comment on anyones post so why do it if all you;ve got to say is horrible!!!
Ok rant over now, thanks for listening ladies :nmswave:

First off I would like to say how sorry I fell for Dawn, after reading her initial post I cannot believe that there are all these people on here attacking her!! I don't think she has put anything in her original post that is horrible or rude about anyone. She was simpy expressing her frustration at something are we not all not allowed to do that??

Some people on here want to start an argument over anything and seem to take people's words and twist them around to make out it is some kind of personal attack on them it's pathetic and childish come on people GROW UP!!!

On the subject in discussion I think that EVERY child should be treated the same and given access to the same opportunities wether you work or are on benefits. After all it's not your children that decide if you work or not so why is it fair that they are essentially penalised for it??? I stay at home with my 2 studying for a uni course and my OH works full time and it can be a real struggle sometimes affording everything. I'm not saying that people on benefits aren't struggling cos I know they are and that it's hard and there are people out there trying thier hardest to get off benefits and its not easy at all!!

But sadly it's the children that are missing out in all of this, I do not know one working family that don't struggle in some part with affording things with thier children. So make the system fair is what I say!!

And to those who have attacked Dawn and taking it that she was personally insulting you should be ashamed of yourselves. I love coming on netmums its a great way to find support its not meant to vilify people when they say something you don't agree with after all you are nor FORCED to read or even comment on anyones post so why do it if all you;ve got to say is horrible!!!

Ok rant over now, thanks for listening ladies

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Posted on 16-02-2011 at 6.16PM

Wow! I know someone who left school with 1 GCSE and got some basic training in a job afterwards, he worked his way up the ladder and now earns 60K with 10% performance related bonus...perhaps he will get this benefit to?
I know that there are people on low incomes who would welcome a club they cant afford on their own but the problem is we all know people who are happy to sit on their behinds and let the system pay...Thats not fair!

Im afraid i have to agree that those parents who go to work and earn do not get anything. My husband works 40 hours a week and i work around 70 hours a month and it really frustrates me when my daughter comes home with letters from her school for parents who have less then 5 gcse for free computer tuition with your child. what about those who have children who have more then 5 grades in gcse or whatever and miss out on these one to one basis? it makes me cross, i understand many may be in situation where they cant help being on benefits or dont have grades, but there are an awful lot who just abuse the system and dont go out and work who get all the benefits. Like free school dinners, free milk coupons, its just one free hand out after another! and the government wonder why they are struggling with the economy!! Sorry to go on, but i heard from someone who works in the jobcentre, how one person had been to see them needed a job, so they rang them to say they had book this person an interview could they get there. The alleged job seeker said no that they didnt have any way of getting there because all four of the wheels on their car are flat. so what does the jobcentre do?? pays the person 300 quid to go buy new tyres!!!! honestly its disgusting!!

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Wow! I know someone who left school with 1 GCSE and got some basic training in a job afterwards, he worked his way up the ladder and now earns 60K with 10% performance related bonus...perhaps he will get this benefit to?

I know that there are people on low incomes who would welcome a club they cant afford on their own but the problem is we all know people who are happy to sit on their behinds and let the system pay...Thats not fair!

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Posted on 16-02-2011 at 6.18PM

Have a feeling I've read all this before and not once. :s:roll:
Surly by now everyone who uses this site must see that we all feel differently, have different views and come from different walks of life???
Wouldn't it be nice if we could all get along or even just all debate with out it getting heated or nasty??????????????:D
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Have a feeling I've read all this before and not once. :s:roll:

Surly by now everyone who uses this site must see that we all feel differently, have different views and come from different walks of life???

Wouldn't it be nice if we could all get along or even just all debate with out it getting heated or nasty??????????????:D

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Posted on 16-02-2011 at 6.25PM

WELL SAID!!! :)

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Have a feeling I've read all this before and not once. :s:roll:

Surly by now everyone who uses this site must see that we all feel differently, have different views and come from different walks of life???

Wouldn't it be nice if we could all get along or even just all debate with out it getting heated or nasty??????????????:D

:hug::hug::hug:

WELL SAID!!!

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Posted on 16-02-2011 at 6.53PM

I've not seen anyone attack Dawn! aren't we allowed to have differing opinions? If she's going to post something like this then surely she should know not everyone will agree with her, and so far I've only seen people defend themselves or others, not attacking her at all.
And by the same standards, YOU don't have to read it either.

First off I would like to say how sorry I fell for Dawn, after reading her initial post I cannot believe that there are all these people on here attacking her!! I don't think she has put anything in her original post that is horrible or rude about anyone. She was simpy expressing her frustration at something are we not all not allowed to do that??

Some people on here want to start an argument over anything and seem to take people's words and twist them around to make out it is some kind of personal attack on them it's pathetic and childish come on people GROW UP!!!

On the subject in discussion I think that EVERY child should be treated the same and given access to the same opportunities wether you work or are on benefits. After all it's not your children that decide if you work or not so why is it fair that they are essentially penalised for it??? I stay at home with my 2 studying for a uni course and my OH works full time and it can be a real struggle sometimes affording everything. I'm not saying that people on benefits aren't struggling cos I know they are and that it's hard and there are people out there trying thier hardest to get off benefits and its not easy at all!!

But sadly it's the children that are missing out in all of this, I do not know one working family that don't struggle in some part with affording things with thier children. So make the system fair is what I say!!

And to those who have attacked Dawn and taking it that she was personally insulting you should be ashamed of yourselves. I love coming on netmums its a great way to find support its not meant to vilify people when they say something you don't agree with after all you are nor FORCED to read or even comment on anyones post so why do it if all you;ve got to say is horrible!!!

Ok rant over now, thanks for listening ladies

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I've not seen anyone attack Dawn! aren't we allowed to have differing opinions? If she's going to post something like this then surely she should know not everyone will agree with her, and so far I've only seen people defend themselves or others, not attacking her at all.

And by the same standards, YOU don't have to read it either.

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Posted on 17-02-2011 at 7.54AM

I do think if it's free to one then it should be free to all.
Why should I work to pay taxes which provide money to enable people on benefits to have things for free when I myself cannot afford to pay for them? Where is the fairness in that? People on benefits are screaming why should their children miss out because they are on benefits?? Well for the same reason my child has to miss out when I can't afford it.

I do think if it's free to one then it should be free to all.

Why should I work to pay taxes which provide money to enable people on benefits to have things for free when I myself cannot afford to pay for them? Where is the fairness in that? People on benefits are screaming why should their children miss out because they are on benefits?? Well for the same reason my child has to miss out when I can't afford it.

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Posted on 17-02-2011 at 8.12AM

Where ever the OP lives has a very generous local authority or school. After school activities and clubs are NOT paid for by the DWP. There is no money you can claim for such things. Free meal and transport is all that can be given. No help with uniform.
All school trips and activities are based on voluntary contributions. If you cant pay, you talk to the school and see if you can get a reduction or a nothing. I have done this and still have to pay half of a trip cost. I have asked and been refused reductions on locker keys, aprons and other within school costs.
Sorry if you think my child should go without and the double income family should get a freebie. All in it together, huh?

Where ever the OP lives has a very generous local authority or school. After school activities and clubs are NOT paid for by the DWP. There is no money you can claim for such things. Free meal and transport is all that can be given. No help with uniform.All school trips and activities are based on voluntary contributions. If you cant pay, you talk to the school and see if you can get a reduction or a nothing. I have done this and still have to pay half of a trip cost. I have asked and been refused reductions on locker keys, aprons and other within school costs. Sorry if you think my child should go without and the double income family should get a freebie. All in it together, huh?

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Posted on 17-02-2011 at 8.21AM

I agree that after school clubs should be free to all if free for one.
School dinners are diffrent this is something the child can not do without, but gymnastics is not a need and should not be free to benifit familys at all if it is that important to the family they should pay for it.
Also working familes may need these clubs id they cant make it back from work in time for the school pick up so may use it as a after school club but parents that arnt currently in work wouldnt need this service.
I do think that we live in a very unfair country at the moment and it frustrates me that i cant go back to college for free courses to better my career like some can as i simple can not affort the courses or child care.

I agree that after school clubs should be free to all if free for one.

School dinners are diffrent this is something the child can not do without, but gymnastics is not a need and should not be free to benifit familys at all if it is that important to the family they should pay for it.

Also working familes may need these clubs id they cant make it back from work in time for the school pick up so may use it as a after school club but parents that arnt currently in work wouldnt need this service.

I do think that we live in a very unfair country at the moment and it frustrates me that i cant go back to college for free courses to better my career like some can as i simple can not affort the courses or child care.

Where ever the OP lives has a very generous local authority or school. After school activities and clubs are NOT paid for by the DWP. There is no money you can claim for such things. Free meal and transport is all that can be given. No help with uniform.All school trips and activities are based on voluntary contributions. If you cant pay, you talk to the school and see if you can get a reduction or a nothing. I have done this and still have to pay half of a trip cost. I have asked and been refused reductions on locker keys, aprons and other within school costs. Sorry if you think my child should go without and the double income family should get a freebie. All in it together, huh?

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I am a single working parent. So whos in it with me?

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Posted on 17-02-2011 at 8.51AM

Me too. No one. Were they ever?

Me too. No one. Were they ever?

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Where ever the OP lives has a very generous local authority or school. After school activities and clubs are NOT paid for by the DWP. There is no money you can claim for such things. Free meal and transport is all that can be given. No help with uniform.
All school trips and activities are based on voluntary contributions. If you cant pay, you talk to the school and see if you can get a reduction or a nothing. I have done this and still have to pay half of a trip cost. I have asked and been refused reductions on locker keys, aprons and other within school costs.
Sorry if you think my child should go without and the double income family should get a freebie. All in it together, huh? QUOTE]
I too am a single working parent so we live on my wage. So I also would like you to tell me who is in it with me?

[QUOTE=Frances B(55);5590088]Where ever the OP lives has a very generous local authority or school. After school activities and clubs are NOT paid for by the DWP. There is no money you can claim for such things. Free meal and transport is all that can be given. No help with uniform.All school trips and activities are based on voluntary contributions. If you cant pay, you talk to the school and see if you can get a reduction or a nothing. I have done this and still have to pay half of a trip cost. I have asked and been refused reductions on locker keys, aprons and other within school costs. Sorry if you think my child should go without and the double income family should get a freebie. All in it together, huh?[/QUOTE]

I too am a single working parent so we live on my wage. So I also would like you to tell me who is in it with me?

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Posted on 17-02-2011 at 11.01AM

Let's face it people are never going to agree on this subject. I've been on both sides of the fence and believe me surviving on benefits is a hell of a lot tougher than being on even a low income. When I was on IS I had £25 per week to feed and clothe two of us after I'd paid water, gas, electric, tv licence. Real life of luxury :roll: I now work and have a lot more money to survive on, but come May 31st it's all going to change again for me as I'm being made redundant once again.
Those of us disagreeing with the OP have been accused of &#034;attacking&#034; her and yet it seems acceptable to attack those who are on benefits, who are already feeling demoralised and just doing what they can to survive day to day. I've been there I know how hard it is, how much your self-esteem suffers and how small you feel. Do people not think they can find a little compassion and understanding in their hearts and accept not everyone wants to be in this position.
What I also don't get is those who do work saying they can't afford for their kids to do these activities? How is that possible? I'm not saying its right that you have to pay I do firmly believe they should be free to everyone, as they are at my DD's school.

Let's face it people are never going to agree on this subject. I've been on both sides of the fence and believe me surviving on benefits is a hell of a lot tougher than being on even a low income. When I was on IS I had £25 per week to feed and clothe two of us after I'd paid water, gas, electric, tv licence. Real life of luxury I now work and have a lot more money to survive on, but come May 31st it's all going to change again for me as I'm being made redundant once again.

Those of us disagreeing with the OP have been accused of "attacking" her and yet it seems acceptable to attack those who are on benefits, who are already feeling demoralised and just doing what they can to survive day to day. I've been there I know how hard it is, how much your self-esteem suffers and how small you feel. Do people not think they can find a little compassion and understanding in their hearts and accept not everyone wants to be in this position.

What I also don't get is those who do work saying they can't afford for their kids to do these activities? How is that possible? I'm not saying its right that you have to pay I do firmly believe they should be free to everyone, as they are at my DD's school.

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Posted on 17-02-2011 at 12.23PM

I cant remember the op saying that the children with parents on benefits didnt deserve their place, i think the point was that some children who have parents that work are being denied the place as their parents cant afford it hence it was an unfair system, I think this post has been entirley taken out of context, people are to quick to jump on the bandwagon and think they are being put down as they are on benefits when thats not the case with the original post here from what I could see, oh n I have been a single parent and I have had benefits, wouldnt have been able to work if I hadnt recieved working tax credit for years.

I cant remember the op saying that the children with parents on benefits didnt deserve their place, i think the point was that some children who have parents that work are being denied the place as their parents cant afford it hence it was an unfair system, I think this post has been entirley taken out of context, people are to quick to jump on the bandwagon and think they are being put down as they are on benefits when thats not the case with the original post here from what I could see, oh n I have been a single parent and I have had benefits, wouldnt have been able to work if I hadnt recieved working tax credit for years.

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Posted on 17-02-2011 at 12.39PM

Just for clarity, its not me saying we are all in it together , its Cameron. I have never believed that and see evidence to support my belief every day.

Just for clarity, its not me saying we are all in it together , its Cameron. I have never believed that and see evidence to support my belief every day.

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Posted on 17-02-2011 at 1.00PM

Its possible that not everyone has 2 parents working and are not entitled to wtc and only get minimul ctc! My husband works and is slightly (and I do mean slightly) over the threshold for wtc I dont work as havent been able to find anything that works for me to put my daughter into childcare so while I dont work we are struggling because yes before I had my child we bought a house and have a mortgage which is considerably more a month than rent would be. Our bad for buying our own house I guess is what I will get told!

What I also don't get is those who do work saying they can't afford for their kids to do these activities? How is that possible? I'm not saying its right that you have to pay I do firmly believe they should be free to everyone, as they are at my DD's school.

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Its possible that not everyone has 2 parents working and are not entitled to wtc and only get minimul ctc! My husband works and is slightly (and I do mean slightly) over the threshold for wtc I dont work as havent been able to find anything that works for me to put my daughter into childcare so while I dont work we are struggling because yes before I had my child we bought a house and have a mortgage which is considerably more a month than rent would be. Our bad for buying our own house I guess is what I will get told!