They would be wrong. And thus they complain on it being OP when really it's easy to kill.

It isn't as bad as it used to be, I remember when they first became available, MM was pretty fucked for a while (not that it was really great to begin with). It was not a good time to be Tier 5 or 6 (barring the KV).

They would be wrong. And thus they complain on it being OP when really it's easy to kill.

Well actually the hull armor is only 100mm, the thing is it's at distances that front armor will be at such a flat angle that coupled with the 200mm front turret armor you need a 200mm pen cannon to have a hope of penning it in the front.
I'd just like to point out here that the tier 7 tigers 88mm L71 has 203 penetration.
However when it gets close that angle is reduced a lot, especially for heavies who have their gun mounted rather high. At this point hitting it in the hull is almost a guaranteed penetration for any non stock tier 7 tank.
Plus anyone with a bit of sense would try to track the oncoming type at a distance so it turns around and exposes it's weak side with HUGE ammo rack zones.
Furthermore it has a giant weak cupola and a slow low damage gun for its tier.

Well actually the hull armor is only 100mm, the thing is it's at distances that front armor will be at such a flat angle that coupled with the 200mm front turret armor you need a 200mm pen cannon to have a hope of penning it in the front.
I'd just like to point out here that the tier 7 tigers 88mm L71 has 203 penetration.
However when it gets close that angle is reduced a lot, especially for heavies who have their gun mounted rather high. At this point hitting it in the hull is almost a guaranteed penetration for any non stock tier 7 tank.
Plus anyone with a bit of sense would try to track the oncoming type at a distance so it turns around and exposes it's weak side with HUGE ammo rack zones.

The type 59 is good at owning tanks that are a lower tier than it, but it sucks taking on tanks within it's own tier. 1v1 any tank in tier 8 will destroy a type 59 with relative ease. But because of it's t54 style sloped armor it can't be penned by tiers lower than it. It really doesn't belong in the game at all. It can't take on tanks of it's own tier or above, but annihilates all tanks below it.

I'm not sure I agree but I'll buy that argument. I would like to argue some about the balance of the KV-5 here to defend the type but I've not played one and I haven't looked at any statistics so I'll drop this for now.

The type 59 is good at owning tanks that are a lower tier than it, but it sucks taking on tanks within it's own tier. 1v1 any tank in tier 8 will destroy a type 59 with relative ease. But because of it's t54 style sloped armor it can't be penned by tiers lower than it. It really doesn't belong in the game at all. It can't take on tanks of it's own tier or above, but annihilates all tanks below it.

How is the KV-5 or even Löwe any different in that argument?
KV-5 has such armor that lower tiers don't stand a chance (yes I know about the weakspot, that can easily be covered and is somewhat difficult to hit at range) but it's lackluster gun and aforementioned weakspot means any tier 8 heavy will own it's ass.
Anyways as I said I haven't played one so take that with a truckload of salt.

I just tried this in my King Tiger, I didn't move, but just sat peeking around the corner this way. A T34 and some other smaller tank were corner peeking across the western part on Ruinburg. Shooting at me, hitting me every hit. They only disabled my track a few times, which I didn't mind, and the rest of the shots bounced. I took 24 hits and had about 4/5 health left, and got Steel Wall

How is the KV-5 or even Löwe any different in that argument?
KV-5 has such armor that lower tiers don't stand a chance (yes I know about the weakspot, that can easily be covered and is somewhat difficult to hit at range) but it's lackluster gun and aforementioned weakspot means any tier 8 heavy will own it's ass.
Anyways as I said I haven't played one so take that with a truckload of salt.

KV-5 has a massive amount of armor, but a massive weak spot. Ontop of that it is heavily undergunned for it's tier, the 107 is on the T5 KV (should be a T6 gun IMO). Because of that, it has to aim at weak spots almost all the time if it wants to penn. It's gun isn't that accurate either, so it can't do long range combat all that well, making it a close range brawler heavy.
The Lowe has a massive gun, but can't maneuver well, and doesn't have enough armor to sustain close range combat. It's a sniper heavy with a massive, easily penned, lower glacis.

Okay, I think this tactic is most effective if your side armor is at least 100mm. In a T110 for example, with 76mm side armor and a massively sloped 254mm upper glacis(glasses if you're Karbine), you're pretty much better off facing forward at an angle. It's also a rather short tank, so the angle difference wouldn't be that significant.

The type 59 is good at owning tanks that are a lower tier than it, but it sucks taking on tanks within it's own tier. 1v1 any tank in tier 8 will destroy a type 59 with relative ease. But because of it's t54 style sloped armor it can't be penned by tiers lower than it. It really doesn't belong in the game at all. It can't take on tanks of it's own tier or above, but annihilates all tanks below it.

What? that's a joke, right? as a T-44, pershing and lorraine driver i kill T-44's, pershings, lorraines and especially panther 2's all day in my type. In the end it all comes down to the driver.

The type 59 is good at owning tanks that are a lower tier than it, but it sucks taking on tanks within it's own tier. 1v1 any tank in tier 8 will destroy a type 59 with relative ease. But because of it's t54 style sloped armor it can't be penned by tiers lower than it. It really doesn't belong in the game at all. It can't take on tanks of it's own tier or above, but annihilates all tanks below it.

I have the Type 59 and this is exactly how I feel about it. Against tier 8 and above it sucks hard. I have a Lowe and my buddy has a T34 and though they have more noticable faults than standard tanks, they can still compete at tier 8. Type 59 just can't do it, especially against IS-3s. Jesus fuck is it hard to kill an IS-3 with the Type. Anyway, if WG wanted to scrap them all and give me the gold back, I'd accept that... but only if they're getting rid of all of them.

And while you're at it WG, just drop tier 8 prems altogether and raise income + price of tier 5 prems. /wish that will never happen

What? that's a joke, right? as a T-44, pershing and lorraine driver i kill T-44's, pershings, lorraines and especially panther 2's all day in my type. In the end it all comes down to the driver.

in my panther II I ANNIHILATED every type 59 I came across. At one point it was 2v1, I was at half health, and I destroyed the shit out of the Chinese tin cans. It will generally come down to the skill of the drivers, but if 2 equally skilled drivers came against each other, 1 in a 59, other in a PantherII, or pershing, the pershing or Panther II will win.

The game should ban you from SPGs if you prove yourself to absolutely suck with them. The amount of incompetent players who refuse to shoot at anything that isn't spotted and completely in the open pisses me off.

Even more so when there's a bunch of fucking retards who only play spgs to snipe low hp kills.

in my panther II I ANNIHILATED every type 59 I came across. At one point it was 2v1, I was at half health, and I destroyed the shit out of the Chinese tin cans. It will generally come down to the skill of the drivers, but if 2 equally skilled drivers came against each other, 1 in a 59, other in a PantherII, or pershing, the pershing or Panther II will win.

I somewhat doubt that, panther 2 has shit hull and turret turning speed, hovering around that wet toilet paper covered wood box is an easy task for a skilled brawler.

Haha was playing a match on my gw panther when I noticed that our flank got completely decimated. I figured the match was lost and this t95 (who was amongst those slaughtered) started saying the same, but then started saying it was my fault for being such a bad spg player. I tell everybody to stay defensive and we manage to cleanup every tank that decimated our flank and we only lost 2 tanks in return, which evened the scoreboard.

The remainder of the match was well coordinated movements where the team would only push to scout a tank or two when I had a shot loaded. The entire time we were doing this the t95 was saying how we were all terrible players and that we should quit the games etc etc.

In the end we won with 3 tanks (including me) left. The t95 must have really hated me though because he started messaging me after the match.

gen_maddogg*(7:22:42 PM)*lmao almost a year playing & only 3200 battles in . how pathetic you petulent lil infantile egomaniacValdor*(7:22:59 PM)*i actually dont play world of tanks every dayValdor*(7:23:05 PM)*believe it or notValdor*(7:23:13 PM)*your stats are pretty sad for somebody with 15k battlesValdor*(7:23:13 PM)*thoughValdor*(7:24:01 PM)*best part isValdor*(7:24:05 PM)*your average xp per battle is lowergen_maddogg*(7:24:07 PM)*lol well i started out just running arty but look at my 95 stats . more kills by 83 over games played clowmValdor*(7:24:08 PM)*meaning you actually ARE worseValdor*(7:24:09 PM)*hahagen_maddogg*(7:2433 PM)*lmao u suck just face the fact

I'm sure some of you have had the pleasure of playing with this tard, since he has over 15k battles.