I have never thought that a person from our past would contact us, but it appears that my father may have made contact and possibly in several ways. Due to the sensitivity of this conversation and the length (37 minutes=15 pages) it has been edited, just the highlights are being released for public view.

O – Manual (The Ovilus program lists the word "manual" not the name "Manuel")

T – Manual? Flash flash flash (taking pictures) You can hear speaking from upstairs. Is there someone here who would like to speak with us?

K2 goes off

O – word

T – that was interesting

Mt – is there a gentleman here right now?

T – what was your name again?

Mt – Matt

T – Matt, ok, I’m sorry

Mt – Is there a gentleman by the name of Emmanuel down here?

O – not that

Mt – what was that?

T – I think it said numb

Mt – is something about you numb?

O – project

T – project?

Mt – I’m getting signs saying over that way

O – son

Mt – what was that

T – I’m not sure what it said. Is something over here you’re trying to tell me you wanted me to see? Are you trying to show me something over here?

O – Breoze? (Very close to our family name)

T – what did it say?

Mt – bones?

T – did it say bones or phone?

Mt – I think bones

O – modern

T – flash (taking pictures) modern?

Mt – lauder? What the heck?

T – lauder or modern?

Mt – was that modern you just said? (using dowsing rods) yea modern

T – coughs, you know Marks father died recently and his fathers name was Manual.

Mt – Ahhhhhhhhhh

T – flash (taking pictures)

Mt – are you marks father?

O - ?????????? ( cant make it out – at 10m33s)

Mt – what was that?

T – I don’t know

Mt – I just got a yes on here.

T – Are you Marks father?

Mt – are we currently speaking to Marks father down here?

O – word

T – word, hablo espanol?

O – liturgy XXXXX See Below XXXX

Mt – what was that?

T – I don’t know. Were you in the army?

Mt – I got a yes on the rods

T – are you from Michigan

O - ??forch??? (unknown)

K2 goes off

Mt – do we have someone from Michigan or Michigan state?

T – (Mumbled something)

O – two

Mt – who? Michigan state?

T – are you from, are, you mean are you from the state of Michigan?

Mt – no, I asked if it was from a university

T – oh, I meant from…

O – Terri

T – …the state, I meant Marks father.

Mt – yea

T – from living in Michigan

Mt – well I thought I was gonna say are you a wolverine, but I didn’t know if he was a wolverine or a Spartan

T – oh, I was trying to see if it was Marks father because he lived in Michigan

Mt – well yea, that’s why, cause this started to hit over here (k2 goes off) like it is right now so I was just trying to make more connection with him, you know what I mean?

T – yea, Marks, Marks father didn’t go to university though he was in the army but… Are you Manual?

O - ??inner??

Mt – what was that?

T – inner?

K2 goes off

T – is that you pops?

Mt – oh yea, that’s a strong yea (using dowsing rods)

O - ??efoust??

T – host?

Mt – most?

Mt – is that host or most?

T – I don’t know. Will have to hook it up to the computer later on but that will take time. (Coughs)

O – Son

T – son

Mt – is your son upstairs?

K2 goes off

T – thing is Manual didn’t believe in this

Mt – what

T – Manual didn’t believe in this though

Mt – a lot of people don’t until they are dieing

T – Pops, did you, did you come out here with your baby boy?

O – about

K2 still going off

Mt – that’s rising

T – did you come out here with your baby boy?

T – I’m gonna try..

O – Liturgy

T – he keeps saying that

Mt – is he saying liturgy?

T – Possibly. What is liturgy though?

Mt – was he uh, was he…

O – Terri

Mt – spiritualized and religious?

T – not until the very end, the very end right before he passed away

Mt – that would probably make sense, because if he’s coming back as a spirit and he doesn’t believe in spirits…

K2 goes quiet

T – I turned the sound off

Mt – …until after death…

O - ??broke or no???

Mt - …or until close to death, it would make sense that he would be able to come back, you know what I mean?

T – hmmm

Mt – cause, to, at the end he would start to come around and realize different things. The way a lot of people do with death, a lot of people find God when they’re on a death bed, you know what I mean.

T – um hmm. That’s how he was, he had cancer.

Mt – ok

T – and it was right before he died that Marks sister brought her church over and he finally, umm, you know, confessed to God, and was able to accept Jesus and it was days before he passed away, so.

T – Manual, is that you?

O - ???16m20s???(unknown)

T – is that you?

Mt – Emmanuel, did you see things..

T – not Emmanuel, Manual.

Mt – oh, Manual. Manual, did you see things…

O - ??most??

Mt - …close to uh your, your passing on time that made you change your mind upon what you thought was real or not? Did your daughter help you to realize those things?

MK – Will you set them back to where they belong? I have more questions to talk to you about.

MK – did they go back? Oh they sure did, didn’t they! Umm

Mt – Oh, they’re all hitting right now.

MK – Are you reunited with all your family? Did everyone show up there? Linda and your dad and your mom?

MK – Oh that’s pretty wild

K2 calms

O – sight

T – I can’t understand everything…

Mt – it sounded like sight

MK – that’s wild that he would be here in Gettysburg

T – unless he came on vacation with you

MK – yea, following us. Have you been watching over me since you passed away? Have you been with me?

T – one of the questions I asked earlier was did you come on vacation with your baby boy and he said yes

MK – That’s wild

T – Yea, that’s..he said before he passed away that he really liked our and

O – Flowers

T – where we lived and everything

MK – yea

T – remember? He was really proud of you so…

MK – wow. We miss you dad

K2 goes off

Mt – He sent a hug (using the dowsing rods)

MK – yea

T – (laughing) that’s a hug alright

Mt – yea

T – (laughing, it’s a ???)

O – Portal or foretell

T – Portal?

MK – Can you show yourself to me dad? I’d like to see you again.

O – Fost or most?? 24m35s

T – most?

MK – is that the most you can do?

T – you want me to turn off the flashlight you can take some pictures with your…

MK – this is fine…

T - …spectrum..

MK – just hope I get something…

O – hurry or sorry

T – hurry?

MK – hurry? Where are you?

T – can you point with the dowsing rods where you are?

MK – where are you? Are you right in front of me

Mt – that’s what he said

MK - don’t ever tell Maria about this because she will freak out

T – oh I know

MK – You know Maria will freak out if she finds out about this dad, you know she will

T – don’t tell Ma or Tina either cause they will tell Maria

O – Maria Mt – was that hurry again?

K2 goes silent

T – I don’t know, it sounded like free?

Mt – agree maybe?

T – agree? Maybe?

MK – maybe

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MK – Dad was proud of all of his kids

T – Well yea. I think in the end one of his greatest joys was coming over to the house, kicking back on the couch, watching the game, having a beer with you.

MK – yea

O - ???honor??26m21s

MK – pointing over at that now huh?

K2 goes off

T – You over by our toys? I shouldn’t have put that (the k2) over by the recorder, its gonna blow out some ear drums

Mt – laughs

K2 goes quiet

T – You still here Pops?

MK – So you just hang out at the house with us huh? Decided to go to Gettysburg?

O – sure

T – you like all the, all the Monuments here?

K2 sounds briefly

MK – I know for a fact he has never…

O – others

MK …been to Gettysburg in his lifetime

K2 sounds briefly again

T – well, maybe that’s why he wanted to come

MK – maybe

Mt – well, if you watch the time continuum thing he might have known you guys were coming here

MK – yea

Mt – I mean he might have thought here’s my chance to speak to my son again

T – he was alive the last time we came, did you tell him about how much we enjoyed it? How wonderful it was?

MK – I’m pretty sure I did, I talked to him about a lot of things

O – Ask

T – Ask. What do you want us to ask? What do you want us to ask dad? We’ve got a recorder here dad, you want us, is there something you want us to tell Mom?

O – Yes

MK – What do you want to tell Mom?

K2 goes off again

T – I’m going to turn off the sound on the k2

Mt – I think that’s going

O – sight

Mt – Hug again

This was the last of the Ovilus conversation but we still received anwsers from the dowsing rods and K-2. The rest of the conversation is personal.

The next morning with no knowledge of this investigation, our team member Leslie reported to us another strange occurance. The following morning while Terri and I were getting ready for photographs, Leslie posted on facebook, asking if my father had passed. While surfing pictures, she had gone to our wedding pic and saw a man standing between us with his hands on our shoulders. My father was not at my wedding.