Naoko realized she wasn't earning enough from them to make her buy a new expensive Ferrari. So she threw the manuscript down the trash can and put the blame on an employee who happen to be at that time fired.

Post subject: Re: Create you own rumor why PQ Angels manuscript was lost

Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 10:02 am

Aurorae Lunares

Joined: Sep 21, 2010Posts: 1268 Other: Cat

Clow wrote:

Rika-Chicchi wrote:

It's not that bad, actually - there's an episode in Ojamajo Doremi (a popular magical-girl anime) in which the protagonists transformed themselves into roaches. lol

It seems below average, according to my impression; not good and definitely not a hit.

I don't know, sometimes I ask myself if Sailor Moon became successful due to Naoko's talent or due to the fact that she was managed by a very good editor, as documented here.

Before anyone accuses me of misogyny, kindly keep in mind that I am a huge fan of CLAMP --a group composed of women only.

Nah, I wouldn't call it misogyny. Even the best authors rely upon editors to refine their ideas, or at least their written word. All of the material that made SM great came from Naoko - Osabu just helped to control some of her more outlandish ideas and steered it toward being the mega-hit it is today. The gender of the two doesn't matter.

Post subject: Re: Create you own rumor why PQ Angels manuscript was lost

Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 10:42 am

Aurorae Lunares

Joined: Oct 31, 2015Posts: 1838

Clow wrote:

It seems below average, according to my impression; not good and definitely not a hit.

I don't know, sometimes I ask myself if Sailor Moon became successful due to Naoko's talent or due to the fact that she was managed by a very good editor, as documented here.

Before anyone accuses me of misogyny, kindly keep in mind that I am a huge fan of CLAMP --a group composed of women only.

Having a good editor helps a lot but some authors are just one hit wonders. I think of someone like Nobuhiro Watsuki and how many people care about Buso Renkin versus how popular Rurouni Kenshin still is years later. It doesn't mean they're bad at writing but just they only had one story to tell.

Post subject: Re: Create you own rumor why PQ Angels manuscript was lost

Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 6:03 pm

Columnae Creationis

Joined: May 07, 2009Posts: 37803 Gender: Male

Clow wrote:

Rika-Chicchi wrote:

It's not that bad, actually - there's an episode in Ojamajo Doremi (a popular magical-girl anime) in which the protagonists transformed themselves into roaches. lol

It seems below average, according to my impression; not good and definitely not a hit.

It was quite popular & successful in Japan at the time, considering its tons of merchs for years & its having four seasons (w/ almost the same total number of episodes as Sailor Moon), as well as movies & an OVA. I think it's not that big overseas, tho, especially when compared to Sailor Moon.

Post subject: Re: Create you own rumor why PQ Angels manuscript was lost

Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 11:31 am

Solaris Luna

Joined: Mar 08, 2012Posts: 2621 Gender: Agender

Clow wrote:

Rika-Chicchi wrote:

It's not that bad, actually - there's an episode in Ojamajo Doremi (a popular magical-girl anime) in which the protagonists transformed themselves into roaches. lol

It seems below average, according to my impression; not good and definitely not a hit.

I don't know, sometimes I ask myself if Sailor Moon became successful due to Naoko's talent or due to the fact that she was managed by a very good editor, as documented here.

Before anyone accuses me of misogyny, kindly keep in mind that I am a huge fan of CLAMP --a group composed of women only.

According to Osabu (and Naoko), with Sailor Moon there were frequent meetings to discuss the story where Nakayoshi, Toei, and Bandai all had a lot of input in things like story direction and designs, so Naoko didn't have a lot of creative freedom, and the rushed schedule also made writing the manga a challenge for her. However, also according to Osabu, the Sailor V manga didn't have those *interferences* so Naoko did get her creative freedom there and it's more unfiltered Naoko. Like the Sailor V manga, the PQ Angels manga is light-hearted and very episodic. A lot of fans say they like the anime more because the 'filler' episodes give the characters space to develop, whereas the plot-focused manga is weak in that regard. Some point to that as evidence that Naoko isn't a good writer, but the reality seems to be the opposite: if it were up to Naoko, the Sailor Moon manga would probably have been more episodic and thus had more room for character development. Perhaps what some consider to be Naoko/the manga's biggest weakness (its poor character development) is actually due to all that creative interference from Toei, Bandai, and Nakayoshi!

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Post subject: Re: Create you own rumor why PQ Angels manuscript was lost

Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 2:59 pm

Planeta

Joined: Jul 29, 2012Posts: 3597 Gender: male Other: CLAMP PR

MementoNepenthe wrote:

According to Osabu (and Naoko), with Sailor Moon there were frequent meetings to discuss the story where Nakayoshi, Toei, and Bandai all had a lot of input in things like story direction and designs, so Naoko didn't have a lot of creative freedom, and the rushed schedule also made writing the manga a challenge for her. However, also according to Osabu, the Sailor V manga didn't have those *interferences* so Naoko did get her creative freedom there and it's more unfiltered Naoko. Like the Sailor V manga, the PQ Angels manga is light-hearted and very episodic. A lot of fans say they like the anime more because the 'filler' episodes give the characters space to develop, whereas the plot-focused manga is weak in that regard. Some point to that as evidence that Naoko isn't a good writer, but the reality seems to be the opposite: if it were up to Naoko, the Sailor Moon manga would probably have been more episodic and thus had more room for character development. Perhaps what some consider to be Naoko/the manga's biggest weakness (its poor character development) is actually due to all that creative interference from Toei, Bandai, and Nakayoshi!

Post subject: Re: Create you own rumor why PQ Angels manuscript was lost

Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 8:46 pm

Luna Crescens

Joined: Nov 22, 2016Posts: 142

MementoNepenthe wrote:

Clow wrote:

Rika-Chicchi wrote:

It's not that bad, actually - there's an episode in Ojamajo Doremi (a popular magical-girl anime) in which the protagonists transformed themselves into roaches. lol

It seems below average, according to my impression; not good and definitely not a hit.

I don't know, sometimes I ask myself if Sailor Moon became successful due to Naoko's talent or due to the fact that she was managed by a very good editor, as documented here.

Before anyone accuses me of misogyny, kindly keep in mind that I am a huge fan of CLAMP --a group composed of women only.

According to Osabu (and Naoko), with Sailor Moon there were frequent meetings to discuss the story where Nakayoshi, Toei, and Bandai all had a lot of input in things like story direction and designs, so Naoko didn't have a lot of creative freedom, and the rushed schedule also made writing the manga a challenge for her. However, also according to Osabu, the Sailor V manga didn't have those *interferences* so Naoko did get her creative freedom there and it's more unfiltered Naoko. Like the Sailor V manga, the PQ Angels manga is light-hearted and very episodic. A lot of fans say they like the anime more because the 'filler' episodes give the characters space to develop, whereas the plot-focused manga is weak in that regard. Some point to that as evidence that Naoko isn't a good writer, but the reality seems to be the opposite: if it were up to Naoko, the Sailor Moon manga would probably have been more episodic and thus had more room for character development. Perhaps what some consider to be Naoko/the manga's biggest weakness (its poor character development) is actually due to all that creative interference from Toei, Bandai, and Nakayoshi!

Post subject: Re: Create you own rumor why PQ Angels manuscript was lost

Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 7:28 pm

Solaris Luna

Joined: Mar 08, 2012Posts: 2621 Gender: Agender

kevoso96 wrote:

MementoNepenthe wrote:

According to Osabu (and Naoko), with Sailor Moon there were frequent meetings to discuss the story where Nakayoshi, Toei, and Bandai all had a lot of input in things like story direction and designs, so Naoko didn't have a lot of creative freedom, and the rushed schedule also made writing the manga a challenge for her. However, also according to Osabu, the Sailor V manga didn't have those *interferences* so Naoko did get her creative freedom there and it's more unfiltered Naoko. Like the Sailor V manga, the PQ Angels manga is light-hearted and very episodic. A lot of fans say they like the anime more because the 'filler' episodes give the characters space to develop, whereas the plot-focused manga is weak in that regard. Some point to that as evidence that Naoko isn't a good writer, but the reality seems to be the opposite: if it were up to Naoko, the Sailor Moon manga would probably have been more episodic and thus had more room for character development. Perhaps what some consider to be Naoko/the manga's biggest weakness (its poor character development) is actually due to all that creative interference from Toei, Bandai, and Nakayoshi!

Could you provide us with a source on the executive meddling stuff?

I'm just talking about common knowledge stuff. We know Naoko wanted Ami to be a cyborg, but Osabu said no. She wanted to end the DK arc with everyone dying. Osabu said no. She wanted Usagi to have white hair. Nakayoshi told her yellow would pop more. She wanted the Starlights to have short hair, Bandai told her short haired dolls didn't sell well. The anime was struggling at first so Bandai? Toei? Someone told her she had to come up with something they could make into a successful toy, prompting the Moon Stick. I'm just talking about stuff like that. There may have been more executive meddling that we're not aware of; who knows. But we know from the ROLa magazine interview, for instance, that Naoko felt very rushed while working on the manga, that she did butt heads with the old men executives at Nakayoshi, and that the Sailor V manga is more an example of pure, unadulterated Naoko because she wasn't under the same constraints/pressures as she was with the Sailor Moon manga.

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