I read on some things about the symbolism of the panther and found some interesting stuff

Panther is symbolic of power, aggression, guardianship, courage and valor. In Central and South America, Panther is associated with the sun. In other cultures, she is associated with the dark or new moon or the dark of the moon which is three days before the new one. Her power is that of the night and of winter.

Panther represents a deep understanding of spiritual things, psychic and artistic. She has the greatest mysticism and encourages people to understand powers available to them, to acknowledge them and to rid them of fears of the shadow and darkness.

She represents releasing passions and started a new period of life. Those with Panther as their power animal are intuitive and have an artistic inclination. Panther is symbolic of ability to know the dark, cunning, perseverance, oldness, beauty, swiftness and gaining confidence.

I ran across an article called the Evil Side of the Michael Jackson Movie...the article is about satanic symbolism in the music industry and describes how musicians are forced by record company executives to incorporate satanic symbolism in their music and album cover art, etc. The article also describes a satanic culture that it claims pervades the industry. The article implies that at one point Michael did what was expected of him in this regard or at least was aware of it, but that he later broke away.

I am going to link the article and a YouTube video claiming to show Michael denouncing the New World Order and speaking of a conspiracy against him. Is it possible that Michael broke away from these people and became too vocal in his rejection of them? And that these people...Motolla and other bad guys, Sony executives, etc, were behind the child molestation allegations? Michael was getting too powerful and became a threat to these people? (I don't know if this is the right thread to put this on. I saw a topic Annie recently started about this New World Order stuff, but I can't find it now.) I am thinking that if Michael had inside information about the Satanic aspects of the music industry and was exposing them, he would become a target..which is why he was afraid for his life. The article is not at all saying Michael is evil..but is implying that Sony created the image for the movie and that it has evil connotations. Does anyone remember the VMA show when the audience made some sort of Satanic prayer at the beginning? I thought it was really strange...but now see that it may be part of a greater pattern. Anyway, the first link is to the article about the symbolism in the ad for the movie..and the second link is to the video in which Michael seems to be denouncing the evil side of the music industry and speaking of a conspiracy against him.

The title of the article is scary and at first I though it might be more BS about Michael, but it actually is interesting if you take it in perspective and see that these are the kinds of things Michael had begun speaking out about and against.

The Article:

http://peoplemagazinedaily.com/?p=2314

The video that shows several instances where Michael seems to be rejecting the NWO and Motolla, etc, and speaks of a conspiracy against him:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbK41pGa3IA

I thought these were worth posting, because no matter whether you believe the NWO stuff or not, Michael seems to have made some people dangerously angry, and he knew it, which is why he was afraid for his life, which is why he hoaxed his death. At least that sounds plausible to me.

No offense to anyone here and I know this is not a political forum, but in the video...Obama is a savior of sorts? Now that is something I CANNOT believe in. Actions speak louder than words. And his words fall short of what he is attempting to do. I don't like what I see so far. You're also judged by who you surround yourself with. Radical socialists?

wow! this is all very interesting. my only concern is that the video was one person's interpretation, and i don't know if that was Michael's intent when he made it. whatever...i still think this theory has a lot of credence. after reading about the symbolism of the panther above, his "dance" became even more interesting.

i know very little about the Illuminati or NWO, but it is possible that the concerted effort to bring Michael down, to "put him in a class with a bad name," to "maliciously attack his integrity," to "make him the victim of hate," and to "rape him of his pride" is coming from a source bigger than Sony and bigger than the media, and who actually controlled them but could not control MJ.

we know what he stands for, and it would be very like him to resist a different persuasion. if you have faith in BACK, he said back then that Michael left the US after the trial because "he was being publicly railroaded and was receiving death threats." if this is true and is related to this topic, i would hope that he planned very well and that his number 7 theory, which seemed to be 3 years in the making, was eventually executed successfully.

Hello everyone, I'm new here so I hope I'm not stepping on anyones toes by posting my theory. I have done hours and hours of research into the Illuminati, The New World Order, MK Ultra etc and I thought I would post my theory here to get some opinions. I posted this on another site not so long ago.

This is a very long in depth post so I understand if not everyone has time to read through it

I can't stress enough that this is just My Opinion/Theory and I don't expect everyone to take it as fact. It's just an Idea that I wanted to share with you all

So here goes.......

by Lacey5842 » Sat Oct 24, 2009 7:31 am

Ok guys and girls, here goes, I'm now going to give my theory/opinion on the illuminati and how it connects to Michael with sources to help explain why I believe this to be a possibility.

I am in no way going to force this theory/opinion on any of you as it is up to you to make your own minds up on the whole situation. What you are going to read is nothing more then what I believe from the research that I have done and want to share with all of you as an option.

Ok, Let's start at the beginning. Just ask yourself these two questions,

1.Who was it that wanted the Jackson 5 to be the greatest, most amazing performers ever and would use whatever means it would take to achieve this?

And

2.Why?

So these are easy questions to answer as we all know the answers right? But just to clarify I will highlight the answers anyway.

Question 1: Who?Answer: None other then Father Joe Jackson

Question 2: Why?Answer: Money

Michael and his brothers have all stated at one time or another that they just wanted to be like all other children and Play but Joe had other plans. He worked them day and night no matter how tired they were or upset they became. He used physical abuse to keep them in line and do as they were told. They feared Joe so much that they would do anything that he told them to without question.

As I was researching the Illuminati I came across a video about something called the MK Ultra project (aka Project Monarch).The video was about Mind Control and how they use fear and torture techniques to control a person's mind to make that person do and say whatever they want them to.

In a book that Jermaine co wrote it quotes Jermaine as saying that he recalled Joe taking Michael off to meetings with old men late at night and whenever Michael returned from these meetings he would be sick for days.Michael himself has also stated on a number of occasions that when he is in Joe's presence he would feel sick from fear to the point of collapsing.

After discovering the video about the MK Ultra my mind began ticking, remembering these quotes by both Jermaine and Michael, so I decided to type in the Youtube Search Michael Jackson and MK Ultra. To my surprise someone else had had the same thought and had made a video showing potential evidence to the connection. Part 1 of this video trilogy didn't really show much evidence to me but parts 2 and 3 had me on the edge of my seat.Watch for yourself

Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cdf19kCtsmw Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_bDBImXrJg

My conclusion from these videos is that Joe was working for the Illuminati by subjecting his children to the MK Ultra, as he himself may have been subjected to in his younger years, to achieve the fortune he so badly craved.

If you have read my research about the Illuminati you will remember me mentioning the “Baphomet” contract (aka Oath). This is a contract in which anyone wanting to become rich and famous in the music industry has to sign. Most people that sign this contract don't realise exactly what it is they are signing but it is written and said that the artist is selling their soul which Michael also mentions in the song Money. CBS Records, Sony and many other Record labels promise the artist that they will build their careers and bring them fortune and fame in exchange for their soul. What they don't tell the artist is that if the artist goes against any of the rules outlined in the Baphomet Oath, Such as exposing it or turning their back on it, they will break that person's career, reputation and being.

It is my belief now that early on in Michael's solo career he was forced by Joe, through fear and not knowing what this contract meant, to sign on the dotted line.The reason I came to this conclusion was from listening to Michael's conversations with Rabbi Shmuly. In Part 2 of the recordings Michael tells us this himself.Have a Listen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fA1mkiw-zI0

Michael also describes Joe's beatings as being like a ritual. If you have researched the Illuminati you will have noticed the word Ritual used a lot within their secret societies.

In 1991 Michael signed a 15 year contract with sony and released the album Dangerous. The cover to this album was painted by an artist named Mark Ryden which features a lot of Illuminati Symbolism. My belief is that this album was the start of Michael exposing the illuminati but in a subtle way. I believe this because the song Black or white came from this album and the original video to this was about 10 mins long. The last 4 mins of the video was Michael doing what is known as the Black Panther dance. This danced caused a lot of controversy.

“"Black or White" was originally over ten minutes long, premiering simultaneously on November 14, 1991 on MTV, VH1, BET, and FOX. The video featured one of the earliest examples of computer-generated morphing. The last four minutes of the video also induced much controversy, as it depicted Jackson smashing store windows and destroying a car with a crowbar. However, this destructive behaviour was intended to imply a message of anti-racism and racist graffiti was added in later versions to make the violence more understandable. The music video was also controversial because of Jackson's sexually suggestive dance, which included the crotch grab as well as zipping up his pants. MTV and the other music video networks decided to excise the last four minutes of the "Black or White" video for all subsequent airings, and Jackson issued a statement apologizing to anyone who had been offended, and explaining that he tried to interpret the animal instinct of panthers into a dance. The video featured Macaulay Culkin and an appearance during the morphing scene by youngTyra Banks and was directed by John Landis, also the director of the "Thriller" short film.”

During my research I found a video that had been made about the Black Panther Dance which shows Illuminati symbolism but the dance portrays Michael as breaking free from the illuminati.

The beginning of the dance is almost like Michael is Possessed by something but as the dance progresses he seems to take back control of himself and breaks free. He then Morphs into a black panther and walks free.

Take a look here from 4:45http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52fbIvsB7jo

I find it to be more then just a coincidence that this dance was removed from the video due to being too Controversial to be shown.

In 1992 Michael did his Dangerous World Tour and in 1993 Michael was accused of Child Molestation. In my opinion, I believe that Evan Chandler was approached by someone from Sony, Perhaps Mottola himself, and offered a large sum of money to bring Michael down by using Jordan to say he'd been molested by Michael. Sony/the Illuminati would have known that Michael was starting to expose them and this would be Michael's first warning, from them, to stop. But Michael refused to stop.

Over the years Michael put out subtle hints here and there. Michael also had a number of “accidents” and tons of bad press. Coincidence? I think not.Michael also had something that Sony, namely Tommy Mottola, badly wanted and that was Michael's share in their music Catalogue venture. They knew how much money that would be worth to them but Michael refused to let them have it. But they also knew that if Michael's career started to slide then he would have no choice but to sell it to them hence the reason sony didn't promote Michael's Invincible Album adequately meaning Michael didn't sell nearly as many albums as he would have done. Michael knew what they were doing as he stated in an interview, that I can't seem to find now, It was a conspiracy.

I believe that Michael signed up with Sony because he had learnt all about the Illuminati and knew that Sony are the biggest “illuminati” record label, they wanted Michael badly. So he signed up with them purely to expose them. The following 2 links are Speech's Michael made in June and July of 2002. In the first speech he calls Tommy Mottola a Devil.

June 2002: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lrdjt0p780

July 2002: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aF43kOGVmik

This quote is from Wikipedia about Tommy Mottola and Michael:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Mottola

“Michael Jackson was waiting for the licenses to the masters of his albums to revert to him; this allowed him to promote his old material how he liked and prevented Sony from getting a cut of the profit. Jackson expected this to occur early in the new millennium; however, due to various clauses in the contract, this revert date was still many years away. Jackson began an investigation, and it emerged that the attorney who represented the singer in the deal was also representing Sony, creating a conflict of interest. Jackson was also concerned about another conflict of interest. For a number of years, Sony had been pushing to buy all of Jackson's share in their music catalog venture. If Jackson's career or financial situation were to deteriorate, he would have to sell his catalog. Thus, Sony had something to gain from Jackson's career failing. Jackson was able to use these conflicts as leverage to exit his contract early. Just before the release of Invincible, Jackson informed the head of Sony Music Entertainment, Tommy Mottola, that he was leaving Sony. As a result, all singles releases, video shootings and promotions".[5] Sony disputed claims that they had failed to promote Invincible with sufficient energy, maintaining that Jackson refused to tour in the US.[6] “

In February 2003 the documentary by Martin Bashir, Living With Michael Jackson, was aired on tv. Michael Jackson was introduced to Martin Bashir by Uri Gellar. Again Coincidence? Not a chance. Think back to part 3 of the MK Ultra video's.

Later that year Michael was charged with “seven counts of child sexual abuse and two counts of administering an intoxicating agent in order to commit a child sexual abuse felony against Gavin Arvizo, who was under 14 at the time.”

I believe, again this was Sony/Illuminati's doing, but this time they were going for the kill. I believe they honestly thought they had Michael this time and that he would end up in jail, they knew that that would kill him. The reason I believe this is because I believe that Tom Sneddon was the man they approached this time, knowing his hatred towards Michael from the previous Allegations, Quote from Wikipedia “These prosecutions led to complaints that Sneddon was motivated by a "vendetta" against Jackson. Evidence to support these claims include Sneddon joking about Jackson's greatest hits album being released on the same day as his arrest and saying, "Like the sheriff and I really are into that kind of music." He then proceeded to call Jackson "Wacko Jacko" and shouting "We got him, we finally got him" to the media, when he had only just began an investigation and had gathered limited information or evidence.”

Btw the media that Tom Sneddon was shouting to are also controlled by the Illuminati Hence the reason Michael got so much Bad press all the time after the dangerous album.

So again they made an agreement, with Tom Sneddon this time, to set Michael up with more sexual abuse allegations and Tom Sneddon excitedly obliged.Again just my opinion

When Michael was Acquitted of all charges he all but disappeared. The reason, I believe, for this is because Michael would have known that by not going to prison would have really hacked off the Illuminati so their next step would have been to set up his Death/Murder.

Knowing this, in my opinion, Michael decided it best he stay out of the lime light. But while he was out of the lime light for all those years I think he was planning out the death hoax thoroughly to ensure that everything goes precisely to plan. As we all know Michael is a perfectionist.

I believe Michael is alive and when he comes back I believe he has a message for us all. So we will all need to listen intently and if everything that I have written above is true or close to the truth everyone of us needs to understand the Illuminati and everything that they are about to be able to understand Michael's very important and life changing message.

When Michael “died” he had over 2 billion people's attention world wide and again at his memorial and we all “cried at the same time that night”. That means that Michael has over 2 billion “Soldiers of Love”. What would Michael need that many “Soldiers” for?

Research. Research the Illuminati,MK Ultra, The New World Order as much as you can just as I have. Then you will have an answer. I am not telling you to do this, I am merely suggesting it. I can't tell you what to do or what to believe. The final decision is yours

In my opinion I believe that, providing Michael's fans stand united all over the world and listen to everything Michael has to say, he will be far more protected from any danger then even the president of the USA. 2 Billion + "Soldiers" is the biggest Army that I know of.

I don't believe that Michael will fight the system/Illuminati with weapons, that just isn't Michael, I believe this fight can be won with love and people's minds being freed from control to allow us all to stand tall and just say NO to all the hateful things that they are trying so hard to achieve. If between us and Michael we can spread the word as to what is going on in the world, WAKE people up in the masses, then without our co operation they will have no army.

At the top of the Illuminati pyramid is just a handful of evil men, a majority of people below them are brainwashed puppets that hang on every word and Lie they tell which is why they conform to their every command.

If soldiers were to say NO we're not going to war and put their guns down, there would be no war. If Billions of people around the world said NO to The New World Order there is no way they could go ahead with it etc etc.

For the Illuminati to be able to do these things they desperately need our co operation BUT without it they are nothing.

The Illuminati have been using TV, Music, Vaccines, Ingredients in our foods, scare mongering tactics and various other means purely to dumb us all down so much so that we will all agree with everything they say without question.Common phrases to prove this are "Well it must be TRUE I saw it on the TV" "We need to get our vaccine because the government say there's a PANDEMIC" "The government know what's BEST for US" All lies and absolute rubbish!! My eyes are wide open and my mind awake and I'm Saying NO!!

You are right on it about the Illuminati. The whole system is under a masonic order including the religious system. No offense, I have been doing alot of research on it and have been since watching a video on youtube called The Obama Deception. Many may take this title offensive but don't shoot the messenger go to Alex Jones on this one but every since then I have for months now. The music industry majority is under the fraternal order. It's not whether you want to believe it or not, it is. It's purpose is to control the mass of the people and when the mass of the people are controlled are minds are enslaved by it.

In my opinion I believe that, providing Michael's fans stand united all over the world and listen to everything Michael has to say, he will be far more protected from any danger then even the president of the USA. 2 Billion + "Soldiers" is the biggest Army that I know of.

I don't believe that Michael will fight the system/Illuminati with weapons, that just isn't Michael, I believe this fight can be won with love and people's minds being freed from control to allow us all to stand tall and just say NO to all the hateful things that they are trying so hard to achieve. If between us and Michael we can spread the word as to what is going on in the world, WAKE people up in the masses, then without our co operation they will have no army.

At the top of the Illuminati pyramid is just a handful of evil men, a majority of people below them are brainwashed puppets that hang on every word and Lie they tell which is why they conform to their every command.

If soldiers were to say NO we're not going to war and put their guns down, there would be no war. If Billions of people around the world said NO to The New World Order there is no way they could go ahead with it etc etc.

For the Illuminati to be able to do these things they desperately need our co operation BUT without it they are nothing.

The Illuminati have been using TV, Music, Vaccines, Ingredients in our foods, scare mongering tactics and various other means purely to dumb us all down so much so that we will all agree with everything they say without question.Common phrases to prove this are "Well it must be TRUE I saw it on the TV" "We need to get our vaccine because the government say there's a PANDEMIC" "The government know what's BEST for US" All lies and absolute rubbish!! My eyes are wide open and my mind awake and I'm Saying NO!!

What a great post! I agree 100% with what you said. I think that is also one of the reasons behind the hoax because if it can be proven that the media in the US is just as controlled as it is in other state run countries, can you imagine the impact that would have?

People tend to believe everything they hear, see or read without giving it a second thought. I question everything I hear, see or read - and Michael has been telling people for years to do the same.

Years ago in NY he told the audience that even the History books are lies, and have been manipulated. I recently watched a PBS documentary that PROVES IS IN FACT A TRUE STATEMENT.

Years ago in NY he told the audience that even the History books are lies, and have been manipulated. I recently watched a PBS documentary that PROVES IS IN FACT A TRUE STATEMENT.

You are right. He did say this and I had heard else where before I remember hearing this. There is alot of information about history on youtube. History before Columbus was here. History before the 1300s. Very interesting and I am not surprised that they will not even put it in the history books.

Hello everyone, I'm new here so I hope I'm not stepping on anyones toes by posting my theory. I have done hours and hours of research into the Illuminati, The New World Order, MK Ultra etc and I thought I would post my theory here to get some opinions. I posted this on another site not so long ago.

This is a very long in depth post so I understand if not everyone has time to read through it

I can't stress enough that this is just My Opinion/Theory and I don't expect everyone to take it as fact. It's just an Idea that I wanted to share with you all

So here goes.......

by Lacey5842 » Sat Oct 24, 2009 7:31 am

Ok guys and girls, here goes, I'm now going to give my theory/opinion on the illuminati and how it connects to Michael with sources to help explain why I believe this to be a possibility.

I am in no way going to force this theory/opinion on any of you as it is up to you to make your own minds up on the whole situation. What you are going to read is nothing more then what I believe from the research that I have done and want to share with all of you as an option.

Ok, Let's start at the beginning. Just ask yourself these two questions,

1.Who was it that wanted the Jackson 5 to be the greatest, most amazing performers ever and would use whatever means it would take to achieve this?

And

2.Why?

So these are easy questions to answer as we all know the answers right? But just to clarify I will highlight the answers anyway.

Question 1: Who?Answer: None other then Father Joe Jackson

Question 2: Why?Answer: Money

Michael and his brothers have all stated at one time or another that they just wanted to be like all other children and Play but Joe had other plans. He worked them day and night no matter how tired they were or upset they became. He used physical abuse to keep them in line and do as they were told. They feared Joe so much that they would do anything that he told them to without question.

As I was researching the Illuminati I came across a video about something called the MK Ultra project (aka Project Monarch).The video was about Mind Control and how they use fear and torture techniques to control a person's mind to make that person do and say whatever they want them to.

In a book that Jermaine co wrote it quotes Jermaine as saying that he recalled Joe taking Michael off to meetings with old men late at night and whenever Michael returned from these meetings he would be sick for days.Michael himself has also stated on a number of occasions that when he is in Joe's presence he would feel sick from fear to the point of collapsing.

After discovering the video about the MK Ultra my mind began ticking, remembering these quotes by both Jermaine and Michael, so I decided to type in the Youtube Search Michael Jackson and MK Ultra. To my surprise someone else had had the same thought and had made a video showing potential evidence to the connection. Part 1 of this video trilogy didn't really show much evidence to me but parts 2 and 3 had me on the edge of my seat.Watch for yourself

Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cdf19kCtsmw Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_bDBImXrJg

My conclusion from these videos is that Joe was working for the Illuminati by subjecting his children to the MK Ultra, as he himself may have been subjected to in his younger years, to achieve the fortune he so badly craved.

If you have read my research about the Illuminati you will remember me mentioning the “Baphomet” contract (aka Oath). This is a contract in which anyone wanting to become rich and famous in the music industry has to sign. Most people that sign this contract don't realise exactly what it is they are signing but it is written and said that the artist is selling their soul which Michael also mentions in the song Money. CBS Records, Sony and many other Record labels promise the artist that they will build their careers and bring them fortune and fame in exchange for their soul. What they don't tell the artist is that if the artist goes against any of the rules outlined in the Baphomet Oath, Such as exposing it or turning their back on it, they will break that person's career, reputation and being.

It is my belief now that early on in Michael's solo career he was forced by Joe, through fear and not knowing what this contract meant, to sign on the dotted line.The reason I came to this conclusion was from listening to Michael's conversations with Rabbi Shmuly. In Part 2 of the recordings Michael tells us this himself.Have a Listen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fA1mkiw-zI0

Michael also describes Joe's beatings as being like a ritual. If you have researched the Illuminati you will have noticed the word Ritual used a lot within their secret societies.

In 1991 Michael signed a 15 year contract with sony and released the album Dangerous. The cover to this album was painted by an artist named Mark Ryden which features a lot of Illuminati Symbolism. My belief is that this album was the start of Michael exposing the illuminati but in a subtle way. I believe this because the song Black or white came from this album and the original video to this was about 10 mins long. The last 4 mins of the video was Michael doing what is known as the Black Panther dance. This danced caused a lot of controversy.

“"Black or White" was originally over ten minutes long, premiering simultaneously on November 14, 1991 on MTV, VH1, BET, and FOX. The video featured one of the earliest examples of computer-generated morphing. The last four minutes of the video also induced much controversy, as it depicted Jackson smashing store windows and destroying a car with a crowbar. However, this destructive behaviour was intended to imply a message of anti-racism and racist graffiti was added in later versions to make the violence more understandable. The music video was also controversial because of Jackson's sexually suggestive dance, which included the crotch grab as well as zipping up his pants. MTV and the other music video networks decided to excise the last four minutes of the "Black or White" video for all subsequent airings, and Jackson issued a statement apologizing to anyone who had been offended, and explaining that he tried to interpret the animal instinct of panthers into a dance. The video featured Macaulay Culkin and an appearance during the morphing scene by youngTyra Banks and was directed by John Landis, also the director of the "Thriller" short film.”

During my research I found a video that had been made about the Black Panther Dance which shows Illuminati symbolism but the dance portrays Michael as breaking free from the illuminati.

The beginning of the dance is almost like Michael is Possessed by something but as the dance progresses he seems to take back control of himself and breaks free. He then Morphs into a black panther and walks free.

Take a look here from 4:45http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52fbIvsB7jo

I find it to be more then just a coincidence that this dance was removed from the video due to being too Controversial to be shown.

In 1992 Michael did his Dangerous World Tour and in 1993 Michael was accused of Child Molestation. In my opinion, I believe that Evan Chandler was approached by someone from Sony, Perhaps Mottola himself, and offered a large sum of money to bring Michael down by using Jordan to say he'd been molested by Michael. Sony/the Illuminati would have known that Michael was starting to expose them and this would be Michael's first warning, from them, to stop. But Michael refused to stop.

Over the years Michael put out subtle hints here and there. Michael also had a number of “accidents” and tons of bad press. Coincidence? I think not.Michael also had something that Sony, namely Tommy Mottola, badly wanted and that was Michael's share in their music Catalogue venture. They knew how much money that would be worth to them but Michael refused to let them have it. But they also knew that if Michael's career started to slide then he would have no choice but to sell it to them hence the reason sony didn't promote Michael's Invincible Album adequately meaning Michael didn't sell nearly as many albums as he would have done. Michael knew what they were doing as he stated in an interview, that I can't seem to find now, It was a conspiracy.

I believe that Michael signed up with Sony because he had learnt all about the Illuminati and knew that Sony are the biggest “illuminati” record label, they wanted Michael badly. So he signed up with them purely to expose them. The following 2 links are Speech's Michael made in June and July of 2002. In the first speech he calls Tommy Mottola a Devil.

June 2002: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lrdjt0p780

July 2002: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aF43kOGVmik

This quote is from Wikipedia about Tommy Mottola and Michael:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Mottola

“Michael Jackson was waiting for the licenses to the masters of his albums to revert to him; this allowed him to promote his old material how he liked and prevented Sony from getting a cut of the profit. Jackson expected this to occur early in the new millennium; however, due to various clauses in the contract, this revert date was still many years away. Jackson began an investigation, and it emerged that the attorney who represented the singer in the deal was also representing Sony, creating a conflict of interest. Jackson was also concerned about another conflict of interest. For a number of years, Sony had been pushing to buy all of Jackson's share in their music catalog venture. If Jackson's career or financial situation were to deteriorate, he would have to sell his catalog. Thus, Sony had something to gain from Jackson's career failing. Jackson was able to use these conflicts as leverage to exit his contract early. Just before the release of Invincible, Jackson informed the head of Sony Music Entertainment, Tommy Mottola, that he was leaving Sony. As a result, all singles releases, video shootings and promotions".[5] Sony disputed claims that they had failed to promote Invincible with sufficient energy, maintaining that Jackson refused to tour in the US.[6] “

In February 2003 the documentary by Martin Bashir, Living With Michael Jackson, was aired on tv. Michael Jackson was introduced to Martin Bashir by Uri Gellar. Again Coincidence? Not a chance. Think back to part 3 of the MK Ultra video's.

Later that year Michael was charged with “seven counts of child sexual abuse and two counts of administering an intoxicating agent in order to commit a child sexual abuse felony against Gavin Arvizo, who was under 14 at the time.”

I believe, again this was Sony/Illuminati's doing, but this time they were going for the kill. I believe they honestly thought they had Michael this time and that he would end up in jail, they knew that that would kill him. The reason I believe this is because I believe that Tom Sneddon was the man they approached this time, knowing his hatred towards Michael from the previous Allegations, Quote from Wikipedia “These prosecutions led to complaints that Sneddon was motivated by a "vendetta" against Jackson. Evidence to support these claims include Sneddon joking about Jackson's greatest hits album being released on the same day as his arrest and saying, "Like the sheriff and I really are into that kind of music." He then proceeded to call Jackson "Wacko Jacko" and shouting "We got him, we finally got him" to the media, when he had only just began an investigation and had gathered limited information or evidence.”

Btw the media that Tom Sneddon was shouting to are also controlled by the Illuminati Hence the reason Michael got so much Bad press all the time after the dangerous album.

So again they made an agreement, with Tom Sneddon this time, to set Michael up with more sexual abuse allegations and Tom Sneddon excitedly obliged.Again just my opinion

When Michael was Acquitted of all charges he all but disappeared. The reason, I believe, for this is because Michael would have known that by not going to prison would have really hacked off the Illuminati so their next step would have been to set up his Death/Murder.

Knowing this, in my opinion, Michael decided it best he stay out of the lime light. But while he was out of the lime light for all those years I think he was planning out the death hoax thoroughly to ensure that everything goes precisely to plan. As we all know Michael is a perfectionist.

I believe Michael is alive and when he comes back I believe he has a message for us all. So we will all need to listen intently and if everything that I have written above is true or close to the truth everyone of us needs to understand the Illuminati and everything that they are about to be able to understand Michael's very important and life changing message.

When Michael “died” he had over 2 billion people's attention world wide and again at his memorial and we all “cried at the same time that night”. That means that Michael has over 2 billion “Soldiers of Love”. What would Michael need that many “Soldiers” for?

Research. Research the Illuminati,MK Ultra, The New World Order as much as you can just as I have. Then you will have an answer. I am not telling you to do this, I am merely suggesting it. I can't tell you what to do or what to believe. The final decision is yours

Lacy your theory is not crazy. There are many many people who believed Michael especially to be a victim of MK Ultra even before he "passed" away.

The butterflies, album covers, his child like innocent pesonality versus his on stage sexy persona many things point to him being mind controlled and this is a pretty hot topic outside of the hoax death. It is said that THEY decide who our idols will be.

Thanks everyone I'm so glad I found this forum. I have been laughed at so many times for my theories but I have never backed away from them, to me there just seems to be so much evidence to back it up.

I love Michael with my heart, mind and soul and I just know, I feel it in my bones, that he will return to lead the way to a peaceful, loving, healthy planet.

Michael states in a poem called "Magical Child" from Dancing the Dream"Don't stop this child, he's the father of man, Don't cross his way, He's part of the plan I am that Child, but so are you, You've just forgotten, Just lost the Clue"

The book is amazing but this part sticks in my mind because of how true I believe it to be.

When I first saw the videos on youtube. I was pretty angry for 2 weeks. Thinking about how we have been pretty much used as collateral/slave and puppets for their dark sinical plan but I got over it and realized that I would pass on what i can and for those who catch on will check it out for themselves.

I did not watch the wake up videos yet - I know that I saw David Icks name on there and he believes that they are led by a alien race called reptilians. I dont believe that, I do believe that what are demons will be called aliens when they show up here for all to see. Just my opinion.

Great job on your post as I learned a few new things today. I too, have been researching Illuminati, NWO, MK Ultra, secret societies, Bohemian Grove, Skull & Bones, etc. for a number of years. Without a doubt in my mind, Michael was trying to educate us. So, I am still researching..........

David Icke has done a lot of really interesting talks/interviews to do with the Illuminati and The New World Order with an amazing amount of evidence to back up his claims which may be of interest to you.

I myself am still on the fence where reptilians/aliens are concerned but I do find it fascinating to watch. I do my best to keep an open mind especially as David Icke actually predicted things that have now happened so I personally could not now say that the reptilian theory is wrong but I am a skeptic in this area.

It's only since Michael's " Death" that I started to research all these issues so I am still a newbie to it all unlike David Icke, Alex Jones and even my own partner who have been researching for years. But now that I have spent sooooo many hours researching my mind is becoming free and I feel like a whole different person, hopefully a better person.

The video's out there are amazingly insightful and well worth a watch.

MJThrillsMe, I am really starting to LOVE this forum as I'm finding so many like minded people on here which is so uplifting.

You are well ahead of me in the research field then as I only started researching it all about 4/5 months ago but just like you I continue my research and, even though people think I'm crazy, I still spread the word loud and clear but I leave it to people to make their own minds up. I believe more and more people are waking up everyday and I'm hopefull for the future

What started my journey in learning about the NWO was way back when I was a freshman in college (1991), and my political science professor made us read Pat Robertson's book called "The New World Order". I did not care for the book as I found better explanations later on. Here's his book if you are not aware of it: http://www.amazon.com/New-World-Order-Pat-Robertson/dp/0849933943 Not to mention our daily lectures on the background about the NWO. At the time, I got excited about the subject for about a year and afterwards, I became focussed on my other subjects and life in general. It was not until after 9-11 where my interests began to investigate which led me back to the NWO. I still have so much to learn as I do find myself learning new things each time I "dig"

Yes, I am familiar with David Icke as well. I too, am with you about the reptilian theory, and as well, keeping an open mind. Currently, I am researching about the Sumerian civilization to find out more as I have read that's where the idea behind the NWO, freemason, etc came from. MJ's death/hoax has side tracked me though!

Which also brings me to why I am a little freaked out about this hoax/death (not 100% sure) because as I look into his messages whether it be in his music, videos, intereviews, it appears to be pointing to the Illuminati. As I listen to his music now, I have a better sense of appreciation as to what he was trying to convey to us.

Again, I hear you....I love this forum too. If anything, this forum is a great place to learn from each other! Not sure where all this may end, but it will be interesting as we all chat on this forum along the way!

Glad to meet you Lacey!

Lacey5842x wrote:

David Icke has done a lot of really interesting talks/interviews to do with the Illuminati and The New World Order with an amazing amount of evidence to back up his claims which may be of interest to you.

I myself am still on the fence where reptilians/aliens are concerned but I do find it fascinating to watch. I do my best to keep an open mind especially as David Icke actually predicted things that have now happened so I personally could not now say that the reptilian theory is wrong but I am a skeptic in this area.

It's only since Michael's " Death" that I started to research all these issues so I am still a newbie to it all unlike David Icke, Alex Jones and even my own partner who have been researching for years. But now that I have spent sooooo many hours researching my mind is becoming free and I feel like a whole different person, hopefully a better person.

The video's out there are amazingly insightful and well worth a watch.

MJThrillsMe, I am really starting to LOVE this forum as I'm finding so many like minded people on here which is so uplifting.

You are well ahead of me in the research field then as I only started researching it all about 4/5 months ago but just like you I continue my research and, even though people think I'm crazy, I still spread the word loud and clear but I leave it to people to make their own minds up. I believe more and more people are waking up everyday and I'm hopefull for the future

i am very impressed by your postsome of the sources i have already read myself

michael was also very concerned about healthy food because he was in fear to be poisened

please inform yourselves about CODEX ALIMENTARIUS

it is also a part of the big scheme to take over controll about people

now it is no wonder that many governments want to restrict the usage of the internet to the people

THE TRUTH COULD PREVAIL

Thank you, It is a long post but I felt I needed to be thorough so that people didn't misunderstand what I was getting at

I have also been researching how food is being contaminated with the aim of causing us illness and poorer quality of life. David Icke and a number of other people including Scientists are expressing their concerns with Aspartame and Fluoride. Both are really worth looking into on Youtube and the internet in general. I became so worried about these that I now check all packets and bottles at the supermarket and have completely cut out anything that contains aspartame. The thing that has shocked me is that my 2 children seemed to suffer withdrawl type symptoms for a couple of days but also their behaviour has changed quite dramaticly as they no longer seem to be quite so hyper active so perhaps this is some proof.

Where fluoride is concerned I now only buy toothpaste that is free of fluoride, I can only hope that this is helping with our health.

Hopefully, with the help of people like us, the truth will prevail before it's too late

Today I found something quite interesting on Wikipedia. "The Black Panther Party"It may interest everyone posting on this topic to take a look at this.