The primary goal of this site is to provide mature, meaningful discussion about the Vancouver Canucks. However, we all need a break some time so this forum is basically for anything off-topic, off the wall, or to just get something off your chest! This forum is named after poster Creeper, who passed away in July of 2011 and was a long time member of the Canucks message board community.

So, just before that other thread about the Earth being inside-out got subducted, refuted and/or comprehensively debunked, my favourite poster brought up a very interesting subject. Namely, that of Big Bang cosmology, and how this mysterious substance called "dark matter" disproves the so-called "Big Bang Theory".

Now, this being a subject that quite a few people find fascinating (well, that and * of course), I think it would behoove the Good Doctor to explain it to all of us a little bit better. What is Big Bang Theory, what is Dark Matter, how does one disprove or falsify the other, and what would Popper say about the whole lot? Inquiring minds want to know.

Sick Bunny wrote:So, just before that other thread about the Earth being inside-out got subducted, refuted and/or comprehensively debunked, my favourite poster brought up a very interesting subject. Namely, that of Big Bang cosmology, and how this mysterious substance called "dark matter" disproves the so-called "Big Bang Theory".

Now, this being a subject that quite a few people find fascinating (well, that and * of course), I think it would behoove the Good Doctor to explain it to all of us a little bit better. What is Big Bang Theory, what is Dark Matter, how does one disprove or falsify the other, and what would Popper say about the whole lot? Inquiring minds want to know.

Hey, depending on what sort of porn you're into, it's not inconceivable to have all three at the same time. With a liberal application of * (in this case properly brown, so as not to offend Ohdee's delicate sensibilities).

But that's all besides the point, I'd still like Doc to explain Big Bang etc. to the layman, seeing as he's the local leading authority on this matter.

Vpete wrote:Isn't Dark Matter part of what explains the big bang theory?

Well, it doesn't matter much either way, the theory is fine with or without it. Dark matter is only important for what happens afterwards, the clustering you allude to and such.

Or so most reasonable people would think, with the exception of Doc, who somehow claims that one disproves the other.

It is, of course, his normal modus operandi in most debates to make ignorant or outright false statements, then dodge the issue entirely when somebody calls bullshit. Phase Two is when he (or a sycophant) proclaims this was part of the plan all along. I've seen this script so many times, I don't know why I bother. I suppose it's because I get an unhealthy enjoyment from exposing pompous ignoramuses?

Vpete wrote:Isn't Dark Matter part of what explains the big bang theory?

I like the idea that galaxies are actually string clusters and are almost layered in multi-dimensional universes. I also liked acid a lot 20 years ago.

me too vpete.. well 30 yrs ago..lol if something is getting farther away ..you have to assume it was closer at one time..for me its the past...at one time it was all in front of me..now behind me...is this the same thing?

Strangelove wrote:1). You don't get to dictate who debates wot with whom.

Oh, but I do get to tell you when you're full of it, when you are full of it.

What's with the playground taunting Doc, don't like being upstaged?

I started this thread because you brought up the subject matter elsewhere. If you don't care to defend your views, that's fine too, it's a free forum after all, you may carry on "destroying" people in your fantasy life as you see fit.

Aaronp18 wrote:A healthy debate arises when two people show that they respect the others opinions and efforts in taking a stance on a specific subject.

But see Aaron, respect is a two-way street. I used to have all sorts of respect for our Good Doctor back in the day. Eventually, I realized he only sees fit to respect you as long as he feels he's winning the debate. The second you show him to be wrong, be it on the pettiest most insignificant little point, our come the tantrums and the insults. In the 10-odd years that I've known him, I have never seen him concede a point gracefully. He's only a gracious winner -- and he's the world's worst loser. Perhaps you feel he respects you, but believe me, it's only because he considers you below his weight class and thus not a threat.

I think I realized Doc was a lost cause when he went around calling Per a baby-eater, for daring to debate abortion with him. I mean Per, come on? The most polite, respectful and sociable Scandinavian in the history of hockey boards gets mud slung at him merely for disagreeing with the Great Strangelove...

The only reason I bother at all is because I find the tantrums mildly amusing, and because it keeps him from piling on the bullshit too high. And perhaps I still hope for an honest debate every now and then. You gotta admit, it's an interesting question: if the Doctor considers Dark Matter to be disproving the Big Bang, I'd truly like to know how and why. Wouldn't you?

And to answer your last question -- yeah, I do. If they turn out like Strangelove, I'm going to have to disown them. But of course they won't.

Sick Bunny wrote:The only reason I bother at all is because I find the tantrums mildly amusing, and because it keeps him from piling on the bullshit too high. And perhaps I still hope for an honest debate every now and then. You gotta admit, it's an interesting question: if the Doctor considers Dark Matter to be disproving the Big Bang, I'd truly like to know how and why. Wouldn't you?

Bunny you're missing my point.

The reason I asked if you had kids is because I was wondering how often you demand them to do things do they jump and say "yes daddy, how high?"

I've always found that if you want them, or anyone to do something, you tease them and make it seem like it's their idea.

IE. To get someone to debate you bring your opinion and evidence to support the counterpoint. Telling someone to explain their point of view with evidence without putting in the effort to gain the knowledge of the opposing position doesn't exactly entice someone into doing what you are commanding them to do.

So why don't you post some link supporting the Big Bang and explain yourself why you think it's the most plausible theory as of right now! Although it's probably a tad late at this point.

Aaronp18 wrote:The reason I asked if you had kids is because I was wondering how often you demand them to do things do they jump and say "yes daddy, how high?"

Ahh right, so you're saying since Strangelove is acting like a big baby, I ought to treat him like one? It's an excellent point...

So why don't you post some link supporting the Big Bang and explain yourself why you think it's the most plausible theory as of right now! Although it's probably a tad late at this point.

Probably too late, but since you ask. Anyway, the initial argument wasn't about the Big Bang at all, it was more about Karl Popper and stuff. I suggested to Doc that the Concave Earth "theory" was un-falsifiable by design, and therefore not worth anybody's time, and he retorted with a statement that Big Bang had been refuted by Dark matter (sorry about the Wikipedia links, but it's not like I'm going to do a better job explaining things). Now, never mind that this is a total non sequitur as far as the original argument is concerned. And you don't really have to believe in A or B, but if someone claims that "B disproves A" and you just don't see how (regardless of whether you think A or B is true -- that's simply besides the point here), you start asking questions.

It was at this point that Doc realized he was in danger of being proven wrong on a minor point, thus unleashing the subsequent shitstorm...