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Re: Morning Joe - Daily Thread

LOL what is the description of regression? A topic chance disdains? meh

The show was pretty good. The interview last night with either Colbert or Stewart was a game show company CEO. He was saying some rather good sense points. What we need is a compilation of what republicans and dems want. A market defined by qulity not quantity along with a system that requires people to plan for the known expenses like a check up or colds. Insurance should be like covering a fire at your house. You wouldn't use your home insurance to fix the front door lock if it was broken would you? How about the water heater failing? Same goes for health care.

Everyone can be great, because everyone can serve.~ Martin Luther King, Jr.

Re: Morning Joe - Daily Thread

Originally Posted by JayHawk

LOL what is the description of regression? A topic chance disdains? meh

The show was pretty good. The interview last night with either Colbert or Stewart was a game show company CEO. He was saying some rather good sense points. What we need is a compilation of what republicans and dems want. A market defined by qulity not quantity along with a system that requires people to plan for the known expenses like a check up or colds. Insurance should be like covering a fire at your house. You wouldn't use your home insurance to fix the front door lock if it was broken would you? How about the water heater failing? Same goes for health care.

regression is having jack and MM discussing who's hotter and women being part of the discussion

Re: Morning Joe - Daily Thread

Originally Posted by JayHawk

LOL what is the description of regression? A topic chance disdains? meh

The show was pretty good. The interview last night with either Colbert or Stewart was a game show company CEO. He was saying some rather good sense points. What we need is a compilation of what republicans and dems want. A market defined by qulity not quantity along with a system that requires people to plan for the known expenses like a check up or colds. Insurance should be like covering a fire at your house. You wouldn't use your home insurance to fix the front door lock if it was broken would you? How about the water heater failing? Same goes for health care.

did u notice Joe, right after stengel made the point about two men, one under medicare age, one over .......

telling almost the same story/context

i was like joe ......... shut the fuck up

you just wasted stengel time with your own story that was about the same - so what's the point ?

Re: Morning Joe - Daily Thread

Yeah I can see the obstinance in Joe but he has done a lot for the justification of moderates running from republicans. So for that, as a national voice, I respect him.....even when he doesnt get the point of a guest

Everyone can be great, because everyone can serve.~ Martin Luther King, Jr.

Re: Morning Joe - Daily Thread

Originally Posted by JayHawk

Yeah I can see the obstinance in Joe but he has done a lot for the justification of moderates running from republicans. So for that, as a national voice, I respect him.....even when he doesnt get the point of a guest

my point is sometimes he can't help but (over)inject himself

and frankly his holding repubs feet to the fire is TIRED - we get it Joe - you're a reasonable conservative/repub

Re: Morning Joe - Daily Thread

Nah... the nature of being one of those folks is that you always crave the soapbox. It is who they are and why our system floats them up

not sure

one can crash and burn if u get too big for it

i think one of the true virtues of the show is the ensemble nature - it's like a good tv show where one person gets too big for their britches

joe is the straw that stirs the drink for sure but i actually enjoy when he sorta tees up one of the others to look good whether it be heilemen - who has improved greatly IMO or halperin - who i have always liked

joe's folksiness makes the show more real/more likeable/more family like

if he gets too big, that could be lost

the other day they had that piece about the news media being pissed at being "used" by the obama admin - that was pretty interesting

Re: Morning Joe - Daily Thread

i think one of the true virtues of the show is the ensemble nature - it's like a good tv show where one person gets too big for their britches

joe is the straw that stirs the drink for sure but i actually enjoy when he sorta tees up one of the others to look good whether it be heilemen - who has improved greatly IMO or halperin - who i have always liked

joe's folksiness makes the show more real/more likeable/more family like

if he gets too big, that could be lost

the other day they had that piece about the news media being pissed at being "used" by the obama admin - that was pretty interesting

jim vandehei from politico is excellent

u might be right about barnicle

The show's success is definitely the combination of Joe and Mika -- without the pair together -- the format fails.

Re: Morning Joe - Daily Thread

Yeah Chance I get what your saying... people fall into and out of favor. Just look in South Carolina. Mark Sanford is gonna run and probably through the "I really didn't mean to get my rocks off with a whore' excuse he will earn sympathy and be back on the government doll. If he runs I fully expect him to win. People like their drama queens... look at Marion Barry....

If Joe gets to big then they will change the dynamic of the show... if they change it and it fails then they will regrow it from scratch using new political faces. And you call it folky-ness but I think it is his appeal to heart strings. that is what republicans do very often. It is the base draw on FOX... appeal to the emotions and then you an tell them anything. Joe appeals because he uses that 'heart' and is on the despised librul channel.... so libs hear his side of the story, Moderate conservatives that are wide eyed and appalled at what their party represents these days sit shaking their heads yes to Joe's tirades.... so yeah I get the dynamic. I lso get that libs do it too... Dick Morris was a reasoned character assassinator for Fox because he was a dem and saw the light. He has since self destructed. I sure hope Joe doesnt follow suit.

However there is something collegiate about the atmosphere... someone not on camera makes those guest feel comfortable and smile while they are waiting in the wings to sit at the table....That is the heart of that show... if you want my humble opinion....

Last edited by JayHawk; February 22nd, 2013 at 09:19 AM.

Everyone can be great, because everyone can serve.~ Martin Luther King, Jr.

Re: Morning Joe - Daily Thread

Originally Posted by JayHawk

Yeah Chance I get what your saying... people fall into and out of favor. Just look in South Carolina. Mark Sanford is gonna run and probably through the "I really didn't mean to get my rocks off with a whore' excuse he will earn sympathy and be back on the government doll. If he runs I fully expect him to win. People like their drama queens... look at Marion Barry....

If Joe gets to big then they will change the dynamic of the show... if they change it and it fails then they will regrow it from scratch using new political faces. And you call it folky-ness but I think it is his appeal to heart strings. that is what republicans do very often. It is the base draw on FOX... appeal to the emotions and then you an tell them anything. Joe appeals because he uses that 'heart' and is on the despised librul channel.... so libs hear his side of the story, Moderate conservatives that are wide eyed and appalled at what their party represents these days sit shaking their heads yes to Joe's tirades.... so yeah I get the dynamic. I lso get that libs do it too... Dick Morris was a reasoned character assassinator for Fox because he was a dem and saw the light. He has since self destructed. I sure hope Joe doesnt follow suit.

However there is something collegiate about the atmosphere... someone not on camera makes those guest feel comfortable and smile while they are waiting in the wings to sit at the table....That is the heart of that show... if you want my humble opinion....

Re: Morning Joe - Daily Thread

Subject whether Obama's leadership is the root cause of all sequestration failure or if it is a equal failure on both parties.....

I agree there are massive missteps by Obama. But the other side isnt this above the board bunch of adults Scarborough is making them out to be.

My sense is that BOTH sides want the sequestration because it is much easier to put back than take away.... they will try to use their media machines to create the "message" to put it on the other guy. Whatever message comes out of this it will be the midterm rally cry. No idea who wins the message war yet. Sad part about their plan? They need to cut about two trillion more than what sequestration does to get us back on track.... the early cuts were easy. The new fiscal wins will only come through strategic planning.

Both sides get a thumbs down.

Everyone can be great, because everyone can serve.~ Martin Luther King, Jr.

Re: Morning Joe - Daily Thread

Isn't it amazing that the President is saying that the small sequester cut will make such a huge impact on the economy -- would the same thing happen the other way around -- a small increase in spending cause could do so much good. We need to cut more.

Still snowing in KC -- not sure how much we have, but not the 12-18 inches they predicted. Staying home today, my satellite is out because this snow is sticky -- trees, shrubs are hanging low -- some people without electricity -- the radio says that roads are worse than last week because of the wet snow -- we had rain / freezing rain before the snow. JH's Kansas is experiencing outages because the lack of utilities being underground.

Special Note to Kansans: Do not touch downed power lines, keep your kids off the roads so the snow plows can go through, and make sure you ventilate if you have a generator running.

Originally Posted by loki81

I'm surprised there's been no sequestration thread on JUB yet... I kinda agreed with their consensus this morning, both sides are being ridiculous.

the President obviously has no interest in taking a leadership role, but if I hear one more Cabinet Secretary take to the airwaves to give a doom and gloom scenario (without mentioning that the cuts wouldn't all be immediate and that they've got some discretion over how they're implemented), my eyes may roll full on back into my head.

on the Congressional side, the Senate hasn't passed a budget in god knows how long and the House seems pretty eager to let these cuts go into effect.

tbh, I'm not shedding too many tears, it may be the only way we'll see the DoD's budget cut (and nevermind the fact that we're no longer engaged in 2 wars)

Re: Morning Joe - Daily Thread

Originally Posted by Jack Springer

Isn't it amazing that the President is saying that the small sequester cut will make such a huge impact on the economy -- would the same thing happen the other way around -- a small increase in spending cause could do so much good. We need to cut more.

Still snowing in KC -- not sure how much we have, but not the 12-18 inches they predicted. Staying home today, my satellite is out because this snow is sticky -- trees, shrubs are hanging low -- some people without electricity -- the radio says that roads are worse than last week because of the wet snow -- we had rain / freezing rain before the snow. JH's Kansas is experiencing outages because the lack of utilities being underground.

Special Note to Kansans: Do not touch downed power lines, keep your kids off the roads so the snow plows can go through, and make sure you ventilate if you have a generator running.

I really do love ya Jack.

My U-verse works great, the power is on and has been on in most areas but there are tree branch outages. On both sides of the border. I shoveled out our building of the apartment complex and every bit I lifted was up to my knee... perhaps I have less than twelves inches from the knee down.... god knows I dont have twelve from the waste down..

Is it possible Jack that there were different accumulations throughout the region? I wonder if that affects power outages... you know twice the heavy wet snow? Still i hope everyone gets their power back and that everyone can stay warm. I will leave the mocking of people freezing to death to you Jack.

Of course, I wouldn't expect you to live in the real world Jackie Poo.... here is the real picture for anyone that cares... KCPL Powerwatch which is probably no one on this site... but I loath lies.... That is the website if you wanna see the right NOW..

Here is as of noon and as you can clearly see much more power is out on the ghetto side....BTW the ghetto was much worse this morning.

The funny thing is the misery side seems to not understand what a snow plow is and how they work.... As I approached stateline today on 135 the Misery side looked like an untouched field instead of a roadway.... That and the eleven plows stuck on the misery side .... anyways I digress and no one cared....

Still love you bunches Jack... even if you live in a third world state.

P.S. I like your safety notices so you can seem knowledgeable but no one else on JUB lives here but me, and everyone can hear the news which reports that same script you just did about every twenty minutes.... cheers....

Since this is on topic and I don't wanna piss off the posting Gods... let me just add that Morning Joe didn't cover anything about Rocky that was worthwhile.... bastards... it is as if we don't exist out here in the heartland... Texas thru Oklahoma and up in Kansas and Misery has been an epic blizzard just on the heels of the last record setting snowfall.... I am in heaven....

Last edited by JayHawk; February 26th, 2013 at 10:50 AM.

Everyone can be great, because everyone can serve.~ Martin Luther King, Jr.

Re: Morning Joe - Daily Thread

today was the absurdity/criminality of what doctors/hospitals charge patients - especially those w/o insurance

how an operation at age 63 (no medicaid) might cost 25k vs. 66 year old guy $1,500

how medicaid is actually a great bargain/smart because it puts a marketplace/lower value on the cost of medical expenses that in the absence of can charge ANYTHING

that people unlike at the grocery story don't comparison shop - don't check bills

how a hospital can charge you crazy ass markups on things like aspirin

Are you confusing Medicare and Medicaid?

Medicaid is a welfare program and Medicare is a part of Social Security. They are not the same program and often confused. Many people don't understand the difference yet have big mouths acting like they know what they are talking about (I am not talking about you in this case) ramble on as if they know what they are preaching as faith. They don't know shit.

Medicaid is available to the poor and lower income. Medicare is a program you do not get unless you , or a Parent, spouse paid enough credits into the system through pay roll tax wirthdraw. Medicaid is not age restrictive and Medicare is for those 65 or older, those who qualify for SSDI under 65, and minors of social security deceased parent.
In addition their are a number of hybrid programs for lower incomes & minors who also qualify for some Social security, but have to much income to qualify for Medicaid.
The income levels for full Medicaid for a single person is pathetic and in some states like Texas past a disgrace. It is operated by the state.

While you brought up the gov program the same could be said about private health insurance who works out very steep discounted rates with providers yet if you had to pay for it solo there would be no discount. A Doctor may accept $110.00 for a office consultation from United Health Care Insurance but if you didn't have that coverage (uninsured) he would charge you $240.00 for the exact same consultation.

It is every bit as equal in the private insurance sector from group policies as it is with Gov Medicare that the consumer hasn't a clue as to the cost of drugs, test, & routine cost. It can't be said that only the gov Medicare patient is ignorant.

The cost factor is incredible. Most/many hospitals will not allow patients to bring in their prescriptions citing legal liability and compliance issues. Forcing the patient to have no choice but to be charged outrageous rates for medications they take daily for their health conditions which are sitting back at their home.

Re: Morning Joe - Daily Thread

today was the absurdity/criminality of what doctors/hospitals charge patients - especially those w/o insurance

how an operation at age 63 (no medicaid) might cost 25k vs. 66 year old guy $1,500

how medicaid is actually a great bargain/smart because it puts a marketplace/lower value on the cost of medical expenses that in the absence of can charge ANYTHING

that people unlike at the grocery story don't comparison shop - don't check bills

how a hospital can charge you crazy ass markups on things like aspirin

always a good segment - today really good

not sure if anyone is watching

Here is a helpful hint if you have a hospital bill not covered by insurance. Offer them 25% of the charge and tell them you will pay them that day if they accept the payment. Nine times out of ten they will. I, on behalf of my firm, was paying a hospital bill for an employee. That's what I told them to tell the hospital, and the hospital accepted the payment.

Re: Morning Joe - Daily Thread

This is why I like Morning Joe....

Today at the start Rev Al was on the show and one of the host... not Joe or Mika was taking the helm today after he had been on a week long snow vacation with his young kids... he told that story and in the end someone said "Rev Al is here... do you have some skiing stories to share...."

Rev Al without missing a beat says "Uh Uh Uh NO, I don't have too many of those, I may have picketed a ski place once... it was in the white mountains..."

After I stopped laughing, I continued about my morning. That is why MJ is awesome. Often, I cannot stand Rev Al. Even when he has a point. His voice to me is like that of a screeching grade school teacher... more like nails on a chalkboard than something I would ever want to hear.... yet this morning I liked the guy... a lot. The white mountains... you cant make that shit up....

Everyone can be great, because everyone can serve.~ Martin Luther King, Jr.

Re: Morning Joe - Daily Thread

President Obama voluntarily reduced his salary in solidarity of those whom the republicans had their hours and salaries slashed.

He paid the official tax rates for those in his tax bracket. Is the 1% reserved for republicans only?

Of course, the people who are complaining about Obama's lower tax rate would entirely STFU if Newt Gingrich or John Boehner paid a similar rate. If Obama was instead a CEO (of a big corporation, not of the United States as he effectively is) and her paid a 3% tax rate because he didn't receive scandulous tens of millions $$ from his company and he had a ton of capital gains and other unearned income, the Republicans would probably be giving each other high-fives about how great it is that this CEO has learned to cheat.

BOSS: I'm sorry, but I'll have to lay you and Jack off.
SUE: Can you just jack off? I feel like shit today.

"I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own desires" - Susan B. Anthony

If Mary gave birth to Jesus, and Jesus is the Lamb of God, did Mary have a little lamb?

Re: Morning Joe - Daily Thread

Exactly how much money do YOU give to charity or are you on the receiving end.....?

Now you're slamming the President for obeying the law. Cute, Springer.....

Perhaps he should have hidden his money away in an overseas bank account. Like a republican.

You know what is amazing to me Bob? I have described living in such a hateful and overwhelmingly republican place such at Missouri and Kansas. Tonight in the course I was in almost every person described themselves as having conservative values but when the subject of Hillary Clinton as President was brought up not a single one was against the idea. I said there was a long time between now and election day. But they all seemed resolute that the republican party had nothing to offer.

So then fast forward to hear and the same item republicans were defending with a veracity in Romney (although a lower rate paid in his case) ... to hear that same idea tossed as a complaint. It is really desperate but what else have they got but desperation?

Everyone can be great, because everyone can serve.~ Martin Luther King, Jr.

Re: Morning Joe - Daily Thread

Originally Posted by JayHawk

You know what is amazing to me Bob? I have described living in such a hateful and overwhelmingly republican place such at Missouri and Kansas. Tonight in the course I was in almost every person described themselves as having conservative values but when the subject of Hillary Clinton as President was brought up not a single one was against the idea. I said there was a long time between now and election day. But they all seemed resolute that the republican party had nothing to offer.

So then fast forward to hear and the same item republicans were defending with a veracity in Romney (although a lower rate paid in his case) ... to hear that same idea tossed as a complaint. It is really desperate but what else have they got but desperation?

Exactly.

I've never seen a group more angry, frustrated and hateful than republicans who label themselves as conservative and christian. We even see that in this forum. People who preach the word of god in one post then rip apart someone in another. I'm convinced the root cause of this hate is because there is a black man in the white house. It's the only commonality.

Everything the President does it wrong. Absolutely everything. He pays his taxes at the required rate, it's wrong. He doesn't give a knee jerk reaction and it's wrong. He uses a word and it's wrong. Absolutely everything is wrong. Never give credit, only blame.

Imbeciles like that are worthy of scorn. Wrap yourselves in the bible and the flag then spew hate. They are a desperate bunch. Imagine what life is like for them tho. The man they hate with every fiber of their being was elected twice. It's a double whammy for them and they can't deal with it. Channel checking this morning Fox was at it, wondering aloud if the Boston bombing will hurt the Presidency. Why would it? "But it's all Obama's fault".

When people are so dumb they can't (or won't) learn, then treat them as they are.

Re: Morning Joe - Daily Thread

Joe should really be back in prime time and as the only real independent conservative voice on the station.... seriously, put him on at 9 or 10 ... love shows lke this where you really hear a variety of opinions and I'm sure even a prime time Joe would have compelling, unpredictable perspectives rather than just about all the same old crap.

Re: Morning Joe - Daily Thread

Originally Posted by Sausy

Joe should really be back in prime time and as the only real independent conservative voice on the station.... seriously, put him on at 9 or 10 ... love shows lke this where you really hear a variety of opinions and I'm sure even a prime time Joe would have compelling, unpredictable perspectives rather than just about all the same old crap.

Interesting

Current MSNBC PT lineup is progressive 24/7 with monologues and like minded panelists

It's one note and doesn't pretend to be anything but what it is

And their "ads" MHP and your kids are not YOUR kids is their raison d'Ítre

Re: Morning Joe - Daily Thread

LOL... I wont do a play by play because folks can watch if they like... BUT Today when talking about the Anchorman fired ten seconds into his career.... Basically Mika says "Jeesh doesn't anyone listen to me" to Joe's " No , did you read the manual, chapter four, know your worth"

*Bro Fist*

that is tastily misogynistic ...

make your own corollaries.

Everyone can be great, because everyone can serve.~ Martin Luther King, Jr.