Mr. RUTLIDGE moved to postpone the 6th
Resolution, defining the powers of Congs. in order to take up the 7 & 8
which involved the most fundamental points; the rules of suffrage in the 2
branches which was agreed to nem. con.

A question being proposed on Resol: 7 1:
declaring that the suffrage in the first branch sd. be according to an equitable
ratio.

Mr. L. MARTIN contended at great length
and with great eagerness that the General Govt. was meant merely to preserve the
State Governts.: not to govern individuals: that its powers ought to be kept
within narrow limits; that if too little power was given to it, more might be
added; but that if too much, it could never be resumed: that individuals as such
have little to do but with their own States; that the Genl. Govt. has no more to
apprehend from the States composing the Union, while it pursues proper measures,
that 2 a Govt. over individuals has to
apprehend from its subjects: that to resort to the Citizens at large for their
sanction to a new Governt. will be throwing them back into a State of Nature:
that the dissolution of the State Govts. is involved in the nature of the
process: that the people have no right to do this without the consent of those
to whom they have delegated their power for State purposes: through their tongue
only they can speak, through their ears, only, can hear: that the States have
shewn a good disposition to comply with the Acts, of Congs. weak, contemptibly
weak as that body has been; and have failed through inability alone to comply:
that the heaviness of the private debts, and the waste of property during the
war, were the chief causes of this inability: that he did not conceive the
instances mentioned by Mr. Madison of compacts between Va. & Md. between Pa.
& N. J. or of troops raised by Massts. for defence against the Rebels, to be
violations of the articles of confederation  that an equal vote in each
State was essential to the federal idea, and was founded in justice &
freedom, not merely in policy: that tho' the States may give up this right of
sovereignty, yet they had not, and ought not: that the States like individuals
were in a State of nature equally sovereign & free. In order to prove that
individuals in a State of nature are equally free & independent he read
passages from Locke, Vattel, Lord Summers  Priestly. To prove that the
case is the same with States till they surrender their equal sovereignty, he
read other passages in Locke & Vattel, and also Rutherford: that the States
being equal cannot treat or confederate so as to give up an equality of votes
without giving up their liberty: that the propositions on the table were a
system of slavery for 10 States: that as Va. Masts. & Pa. have 42/90 of the
votes they can do as they please without a miraculous Union of the other ten:
that they will have nothing to do, but to gain over one of the ten to make them
compleat masters of the rest: that they can then appoint an Execute. &
Judiciary & legislate
3 for them as they please: that there was &
would continue a natural predilection & partiality in men for their own
States; that the States, particularly the smaller, would never allow a negative
to be exercised over their laws: that no State in ratifying the Confederation
had objected to the equality of votes; that the complaints at present run not
agst. this equality but the want of power; that 16 members from Va. would be
more likely to act in concert than a like number formed of members from
different States; that instead of a junction of the small States as a remedy, he
thought a division of the large States would be more eligible.  This was
the substance of a speech which was continued more than three hours. He was too
much exhausted he said to finish his remarks, and reminded the House that he
should tomorrow, resume them.

Adjd.

1. The words "the seventh Resolution"
are substituted in the transcript for "Resol; 7."