WARNING: 2nd Amendment under attack!

Simultaneous raids carried out in four Alabama counties Thursday turned up truckloads of explosives and weapons, including 130 grenades, an improvised rocket launcher and 2,500 rounds of ammunition belonging to the small, but mightily armed, Alabama Free Militia.

[…] Agents encountered booby traps at one site. They found trip wires and two hand grenades rigged as booby traps at the Collinsville camper home of 46-year-old Raymond Dillard, who holds titles of both militia major and fugitive from justice on an unrelated federal case in Mobile.

Another of the 2nd Amendment martyrs arrested yesterday was 30-year-old Michael Wayne Bobo, who lives with his parents, and drives a red pickup truck displaying bumper stickers such as “Welcome to the South, Now Go Home,” “The Second Amendment: You do not know you need it until they come to take it away” and “Work Harder, Millions on Welfare Depend on You.”

Hmm. Sounds like a frequent commenter here on HA.

I just thank God we live in a nation where it is legal to carry a concealed weapon, but illegal to wear a gas mask to a street protest.

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Only offensive weaponry is legal and righteous (hand grenades, rocket launcher, C4); only wimps would use something defensive like a gas mask in the face of CS gas grenades. As an old hippy friend suggested a decade ago, at the 30th anniversary of the Summer of Love, when we were forced to encounter a hundred+ Hells Angels and six Blue Angels:only takes one of those (pointing up at the F/A -18 passing overhead) to wipe out all of these (pointing to the Hells Angels and the one that chose to rest his hog against my brand new car) in an instant! Makes you start to like these boys don’t it?

Now, Goldy, you’re not being fair. The patriot G. Gordon Liddy later admitted that his “Head shots” comment was foolish. He very responsibly acknowledged that one should aim for center mass, not the head, when trying to kill ATF agents.

The question that occurs to me is whether the Alabama Free Militia is well regulated? I mean that’s the whole rationale for all this NRA bullshit, isn’t it – that a well regulated militia is necessary to the security of a free State?

As for spyder’s comment at 2, I think Goldy has the most to fear from the Blue Angels, living in the neighborhood and all… Make sure the garden hose is hooked up!

I have owned guns my entire life, and I continue to do so. It’s nobody’s business but my own. If you don’t like guns, feel free to not own them just as you feel the need to worship or not worship in a religious context. That’s you business.

“According to the complaint, the essay reads, in part, “Blood, sex and booze. Drugs, drugs, drugs are fun. Stab, stab, stab, stab, stab, s…t…a…b…puke. So I had this dream last night where I went into a building, pulled out two P90s and started shooting everyone, then had sex with the dead bodies. Well, not really, but it would be funny if I did.”

This guy has the same fetishes you do Gloomy Gus Used Full Toilet Roll Stupid!

I’ll bet guns owned by Second Amendment types kill more of their own kids than criminals. Every time you pick up a newspaper you read about another toddler shooting a playmate in the hate with a gun his stupid daddy left laying around loaded. (But hey, what good is an unloaded gun against home invaders, right?)

That 92-year-old great-great-granny in Florida knew how to keep intruders at bay!! She spent every waking moment sitting in her rocking chair cradling her piece. When those cops busted her door down in that no-knock drug raid, she got three of ’em before they got her.

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George W. Bush lost the WAR and GBS knows that conservatives politicians and their supporters are TROOP HATERS!!spews:

@14 Liddy was right — you’re supposed to aim for the torso. Bigger target, wiggles less. More likely to get a hit. And a hit there often takes the other guy out of the fight before he can do anything to you.

I’ll bet guns owned by Second Amendment types kill more of their own kids than criminals. Every time you pick up a newspaper you read about another toddler shooting a playmate in the hate with a gun his stupid daddy left laying around loaded. (But hey, what good is an unloaded gun against home invaders, right?)”

@17 Why didn’t the teacher just give the kid a failing grade on the paper, and let it go at that? Instead of calling the cops? That’s what your teachers did in the old days. A big fat red “F” with a circle around it, together with a margin note or two in red ink, suffices to convey to most students that their paper needs more editing work.

“”When the Democrats win the White House and increase their seats in the Senate, I’d like them to pass legislation requiring legal gun owners to carry “gun insurance” similar to car insurance.””

Washington State refuses to enforce the car insurance laws. They let uninsured drivers drive right away when caught. Watched it with my own eyes after he totalled my car and MY insurance had to pay and I ate a deductible until it was recovered.

Here is a reason why the gun debate is always framed by the libtard MSM non-objectively:

“ABC News polling chief Gary Langer, in a posting buried on ABCNews.com, revealed that a poll taken Sunday discovered that when “asked the primary cause of gun violence, far more Americans blamed the effects of popular culture (40 percent) or the way parents raise their children (35 percent) than the availability of guns (18 percent).” ABC’s World News on Monday devoted nearly two minutes to results of ABC’s survey, but didn’t get to that finding which shows the public does not share the media assumption that gun availability is to blame for the murders at Virginia Tech.”

Now who has been framing the popular culture over the last 40 years? — — — It ain’t us Israel lovers! For Gloomy Gus Used Full Toilet Roll Stupid – that means Neocons!

@30 I think Department of Licensing’s theory is they’d rather let them have a license so they know how they are, where they are, and what they’re doing. You have to get at least 1,000 moving violations in this state before they revoke your license.

Of course, not having a license or insurance has never stopped anyone from driving. The only way you can get these people off the road is to lock them up or put a bullet in ’em.*

Seems to me a strong majority of Americans, 52 to 29, prefer enforcing existing laws to passing new laws. But don’t let that fall on the ears of a Moonbat! – Nooooooooo they’re wrong, We the “Tards of FUWA on ASSWipes know better!

Needless to say, when that time comes, no one will work for $15 an hour anymore, because getting to work will cost more than people earn. We won’t need our $8 minimum wage anymore, because employers won’t be able to hire anyone for less than $40 an hour. I don’t see why anyone should work. There’s no incentive to work. I don’t work. I just sit here on my fat rabbit ass watching my capital gains go up. Once again, I want to thank all you redneck SUV owners for padding my pension checks with these nice tax-free capital gains! Sure beats working for you assholes.

“liberals who know what they’re doing” are called “conservatives”. Ba-boom-cha

Head shot vs. center of mass is small beer, my primary self defense weapon is a 12 ga. shot gun, open choke with #4 shot. Lots of pellets in an expansive pattern with a large muzzle flash and lots of noise. If you’re not dead or leaving, then you get to visit with Mr. Smith and Mr. Wesson’s favorite .40 caliber round courtesy of Mr. Heckler and Mr. Koch. Federal Hydra-shok, of course.

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George W. Bush lost the WAR and GBS knows that conservatives politicians and their supporters are TROOP HATERS!!spews:

The concept of inherent rights is beyond you apparently. You and I have an inherent right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. You may have heard those words before.

Incumbent on that, the US Constitution spells out those things that the government is NOT allowed to do. The rights listed in the first ten articles of the Constitution are not granted by any government nor can they be taken away by any government. They are INHERENT to you, endowed to you by your creator. Whether you take that to mean God, Allah, Gaia, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster and His Noodly Appendage, those rights are yours and cannot be separated from you.

Looks like terrorists got foiled this time and no doctors were killed, thank God. How honest people can support this terrorism while following Bush et al down the rabbit hole (no offense intended Roger) is beyond me. Maybe the problem is in the word honest – though self-deception does seem to be a strong point of the right as of late.

@34 We know you Israel lovers are paragons of peace and justice, right? Hey, don’t get me wrong — I think Israel has a right to exist and those Hamas/Hezbollah dudes ain’t saints. But let’s face facts here. Israel is a fucking bully. If you want peace, you don’t get it by taking 90% of the water, occupying the other guy’s land, and pushing him around just to show him you can. There’s a ton of wrong on both sides; and anyone who turns a blind eye to Israel’s heavy-handed overreaching is simply shilling for perpetuation of pointless conflict. The Palestinians need their own country; they need to be left alone; they need a fair share of the region’s resources (especially water) so they can make a living. Until they get that, they have nothing to lose, and will continue to fight. If Israel treats them with respect (for a change), and they still want to fight — then kick their asses.

@36 (continued) Hey puffybutt, do you think “your people” should be required to speak white man’s English before they’re allowed to vote? I’m not expressing an opinion here, just asking. It seems to be official GOP policy to keep AA’s from voting.

@36 So is this the real reason behind the “caging” lists, disenfranchising black soldiers, voter challenges in inner city precincts, and elevating campaign operatives to federal prosecutor jobs to cover up the GOP’s race-based vote suppression felonies? Because Republicans don’t like how “your people” talk? Will the GOP let blacks and hispanics vote if they all learn to talk in white man’s english?

GBS/Puddybud @ I hate to pop your bubbles but the national statistics indicate that fewer minorities are murdered by guns than whites in America. There is always an assumption that blacks kill each other more often than whites but statistically speaking the opposit is true.

This of course depends on the type of death ie; murder, honicide, suicide. Blacks has a low suisice rate than whites but their numbers are higher in the murder category. Whites have both suicide and murder whic account for their higher numbers. More black deaths are reported in the media which supports the assumption.

“ALBANY, N.Y. (April 27) – Friendly fire apparently killed a New York State trooper as he searched a farmhouse Wednesday for a gunman suspected of shooting another trooper the day before, according to the preliminary investigation.

” … Acting State Police Superintendent Preston Felton said Friday …[,] ‘The fatal wound to the trooper was made by a .223 tactical round. This round was believed to have been fired by an MRT team member.’… Brinkerhoff was shot in the back of the head ….

” ‘… [O]ur members are highly trained …,’ Felton said. ‘Other members came to his aid and started to return fire at the shooter. At some point Trooper Brinkerhoff ended up getting hit by a round.'”

Roger Rabbit Commentary: Yep, you have to be “highly trained” to shoot your own guy in the back of the head. If them cops weren’t highly trained they might have missed. Now all we have to do is train ’em to shoot bad guys instead of themselves. Should’ve had that 92-year-old granny train ’em. At least SHE knew what she was doing — she got three of ’em before they got her!

Here’s what you wrote! What a dumb ass!The concept of inherent rights is beyond you apparently. You and I have an inherent right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. You may have heard those words before. Incumbent on that, the US Constitution spells out those things that the government is NOT allowed to do. The rights listed in the first ten articles of the Constitution are not granted by any government nor can they be taken away by any government. They are INHERENT to you, endowed to you by your creator. Whether you take that to mean God, Allah, Gaia, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster and His Noodly Appendage, those rights are yours and cannot be separated from you. Defense of my life is a right I hold and will defend.

The reading and comprehension of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence is clearly beyond your primary grade abilities. The words: “life, liberty, and he pursuit of happiness” appear in the Declaration of Indpendence. Here’s what is says, I’ll help you with their interpretations;

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights (not inherent dumb fuck.), that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, . .”

OK, Delbert Dumb Ass, what this means is the acknowledgement that our Creator endows us with certain unalienable Rights, BUT they are secured by GOVERNMENTS instituted among MEN. OK? Got it? Not too tough, huh? SECURED BY GOVERNMENT.

This part you wrote is really FUCKING DUMB!! You should be ashamed of yourself. Here’s what you wrote Delbert Dumb Ass: “Incumbent on that, the US Constitution spells out those things that the government is NOT allowed to do.”

Sorry had to laugh at your sorry ass. The US Constitution, at least, spells out EXACTLY what the Federal Government MUST do. Try reading the US Constitution some time instead of your al Qeada handbook. You fucking goof. You may be particularly interested in Articles I, II, & III. They define the divided powers of government and the specific roles of the Congress, the Executive Branch, and to great extent the Judicial Branch. Marbury v Madison is the greatest case in American Jurisprudence and completes the co-equal powers of the Judiciary. OK, back to your ass whipping behind the woodshed.

The first 10 Amendments to the Constitution, or otherwise known as the Bill of Rights are, in fact, GRANTED by the US Government. What makes them unique, dumb ass, is that they are your rights AGAINST government and furthermore, we are the only country in the world that has specific rights granted to the governed against the government. Man, you couldn’t have fucked that up more if you tried!

“Appendage, those rights are yours and cannot be separated from you.” Commit a felony sometime, dumb fuck, see how fast you’re “separated” from your rights!

I realize you’re proud to be an American, you’re proud of our history, culture, and position in the world. You enjoy your rights and freedoms as an American. But God Damn it! When you’re so fucking willfully ignorant of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence you only serve to embarrass yourself.

Please do yourself a huge favor. Stop blogging on the World Wide Web until you take a US History and Civics class. Anyone with a computer and an ISP can read what an ignorant fuck American you are.

Loser.

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George W. Bush lost the WAR and GBS knows that conservatives politicians and their supporters are TROOP HATERS!!spews:

I’m not against guns, I just don’t see how an armed citizenry equals, “… a well regulated militia.” Muzzle loading long rifles were the standard rifle of the times (when the Constitution was composed). My reading is that the founders encouraged citizens to own rifles so that if the country needed defending, they could call up a large, armed citizenry — after which the “regulating” would commence. A strict constructionist would only allow for Kentucky long rifles for citizen ownership. Hint: They are hard to hide in a backpack. Additionally, if someone walks into a bank with a baseball cap on and a long rifle, it’s a sure tip off that they are up to no good.

RogerRabbit@71 Gotta call you on this one. Do a wikipedia on Mark James Robert Essex. Also of piquant coincidence is the fact that the DC Sniper grew up just down the road in Biloxi, and was eleven when Essex did his thing.

GBS@74 While much is made of the provenance of much of the underpinning of our Constitution coming from the thinking of the enlightenment, there is also a thread running through it from both English Common Law, Norman (Read Roman) Law and practice, and Dansker Brehon Law, in particular cf. “The Rights of Man”.

Nice use of invective. When their argument is weak, small minds curse their opponents. And despite your name calling, you make my point –

…”what this means is the acknowledgement that our Creator endows us with certain unalienable Rights, BUT they are secured by GOVERNMENTS instituted among MEN. OK? Got it? Not too tough, huh? SECURED BY GOVERNMENT.”

Self-defense by means of arms is an unalienable right, secured by government. Not at the capricious whim of government to remove at will.

If you understand this concept so well, how come you don’t apply it to anyone else? Innocent Iraqi civilians, for example? You know — the people you guys were gonna save from tyranny? The people wingnut haters think we should use for target practice?

@77 Never heard of that guy. Or if I did, I forgot him. Wikipedia says he wrote a note to the police department telling them their tactical squad “aint shit.” Apparently he was right, because he got a bunch of them and they never got him. It took a military helicopter to put him out of business. He took 200 bullets.

Your argument about the Kentucky long rifles only works if you also limit First Amendment rights to presses in use in the eighteenth century, and to religions that existed in the eighteenth century.

No television, radio or internet publisher would be covered, and no currently operating newspaper would be covered either.

With the various divisions, mergers, revelations, and so on, I’m not even going to try to tackle which religions would be covered.

The Bush administration would like that, but the courts have ruled otherwise long ago.

Of course, this leaves us with the situation that the Constitution clearly gives ordinary citizens the right to own and maintain any weapon used by the military.

While I’m something of a Constitutional purist, even I consider that to be an unacceptable situation. Hence the kludge of gun control laws that appear to be unconstitutional on their face, but are so necessary to the public good that the courts invent some rather twisted reasoning as to how regulating and restricting a citizen’s right to own and carry a weapon is not infringing on that citizen’s right to bear arms.

(Proud Leftist and I had an interesting back-and-forth about this on an earlier thread.)

Any clear reading of the Second Amendment allows citizens to keep and bear any weapon that the military currently uses.

Any rational person (which eliminates most of the NRA) understands that in a time when one properly armed soldier can easily wipe out a small town, or even a large city, this is simply not an acceptable answer.

Any reasonably intelligent politician knows that any attempt to change the Second Amendment is political suicide.

Welcome to the situation as it currently exists.

So the courts will continue to find ways to ignore both the clear language and stated intent of the folks that drafted the Second Amendment, and we’ll keep having fights with people that (in many cases) honestly believe that their rights as defined by the Constitution are being violated.

In answer to your question, please read the original post. A properly armed individual soldier can wipe out a major city. The Second Amendment, together with an understanding of the intent of the framers of the Constitution, clearly allows any citizen to own and maintain any weapon available to the military.

Yes, I realize exactly what I’m saying there, and also realize that the situation described is clearly unacceptable. Hence we have judges that have properly decided that survival of humanity is more important than strictly following the Constitution.

Even though the Second Amendment clearly allows you to keep a nuke in your home, (purely for protection of your family, of course) it’s still not going to be allowed. Constitutional purist that I am, I’m ok with that answer. The founding fathers never envisioned a time when one person could wipe out a major city.

Please understand that in these posts, I’m not advocating for or against personal ownership of weapons. I’m simply trying to cut through some of the BS that the gun control advocates keep spewing.

Frankly, I feel that if the gun control advocates would clearly state the full ramifications of the Second Amendment as it is currently written, that most people would find them unacceptable, and we could then have an actual debate as to what controls are acceptable, and then enact them Constitutionally.

But to say that any clear reading of the Second Amendment allows the State to regulate handguns, rifles or similar firearms simply infuriates and entrenches people who, quite rightly, see these rights as protected by the Constitution, and see the arguments as being thinly veiled attempts to violate their Constitutional rights.

No wonder we can’t find some common ground for reasonable dialog.

Read the debate and discussion among the founding fathers. They disliked and distrusted standing armies, and it was their clear intent that the armed citizenry should be able to defeat the federal military, should the central government ever get out of control.

In a time when the weapons available to both sides were limited to individual violence, this was a reasonable answer. One of the founding fathers’ few failures of vision was that they did not conceive of, nor plan for a time when weapons would be as destructive as they have become. Hence, they did not exclude weapons of mass destruction from the “arms” that citizens had a right to “keep and bear”.

Had they the slightest inkling of the destructive power of today’s weapons, my suspicion is that they would have forbidden the central government from ever having them as well.

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George W. Bush lost the WAR and GBS knows that conservatives politicians and their supporters are TROOP HATERS!!spews:

No arguement from me that much of our laws and iconic symbols are borrowed for Europe, and particularly England. Many of the principles of our Constitutional Law can be traced to the Magna Carta Libertatum (Great Charter of Freedom).

That said, my points regarding Delbert Dumbass’ comments and my use of the Declration of Independence and the Constitution as they relate to our laws was spot on.

The right of the individual citizen to bear arms in defense of himself, or the state, shall not be impaired, but nothing in this Section shall be construed as authorizing individuals or corporations to organize, maintain or employ an armed body of men.

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