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You have no idea what level i USE to race at and was disgusted when famous people i will not name started showing up with cheater boats in the early 1980s to pimp there sails as i am NOW with the cheater boats made buy the Brazil builder that caused the class to have to remeasure ALL the boats with a new sheerline jig

The boat was the boat and the keels are ALL in the same place and = and NOW there NOT = and with the 10 boat makes it legal rule there really NOT =

I am tired of hearing the BS excuse about the keel from people who feel they need and advantage to make up for sailing skills

It's simple physics man... a "stock" J/24 has lee helm in less than 10. The centre of effort and centre of lateral resistance are in the wrong spots.

I don't like cheater boats either but you've got to optimize what you've got available.

Say you could averate 5kt for one hour, you'd get 5nm. Now let's increase your speed by 1% to 5.05kt, you're now across the "finish line" 36 seconds ahead of the 5kt boat. Sorry but it all matters.

Now, in our case the boat lives in the water with a nice coat of antifoul (local class rules) - but we STILL optimize what we have to work with

12-01-2009 07:59 AM

tommays

You have no idea what level i USE to race at and was disgusted when famous people i will not name started showing up with cheater boats in the early 1980s to pimp there sails as i am NOW with the cheater boats made buy the Brazil builder that caused the class to have to remeasure ALL the boats with a new sheerline jig

The boat was the boat and the keels are ALL in the same place and = and NOW there NOT = and with the 10 boat makes it legal rule there really NOT =

I am tired of hearing the BS excuse about the keel from people who feel they need and advantage to make up for sailing skills

Having only owned two hulls since 1981 and run a large fleet i clearly lack any understanding other than CHEATER thinking like yours has caused the boat measurement process to become a FUBAR mess.

You have people having to stick quarters under there mast and dig illegally placed lead out of there keels to measure in legal at the worlds this year On BOATS THEY USED TO MAKE THE WORLDS

Meh, we're clearly talking about racing at different levels, fair enough. Min length mast and max length forestay are fast man... there's no way around that. Just like there's no way around the fact that the mast and keel are in the wrong places on these things! If you think I'm crazy, guys like Stuart Jardine don't even bring their fenders racing

12-01-2009 05:43 AM

tommays

I use a battery ABOUT 1/2 the size of a group 24 very easy to carry gotta look at when the rain stops

Way back when be bought New in 1981 it had a group 24 battery and we did weekends on the boat all the time BUT used a campstove to cook

We found a light set of curtians made the porta-potta much more user friendly and a 2 man tent rain-fly over the boom works wonders on rainy days at anchor OR the NO wind days in the blazing sun

11-30-2009 10:21 PM

mitiempo

You shouldn't need a large battery if your needs are minimal -only a few interior lights and running lights unless you're out overnight a lot.

11-30-2009 10:11 PM

Drake76

That being said... can I get away with a motorcycle battery or something small then? I would think lights aren't going to pull a lot of juice. (yes, I have not referenced the engineering bible yet.. just throwing it out there.)

11-30-2009 10:09 PM

Drake76

Good to know. I will let Santa off the hook for the invertor and insist an electrical engineering bible.

11-30-2009 09:40 PM

mitiempo

Drake
You will need an invertor for the microwave oven, toaster, and washer/drier but not for lights and other equipment normally installed on a J24. And if you had an invertor, the battery would last about long enough to make some toast and eggs before it would be flat.

Having only owned two hulls since 1981 and run a large fleet i clearly lack any understanding other than CHEATER thinking like yours has caused the boat measurement process to become a FUBAR mess.

You have people having to stick quarters under there mast and dig illegally placed lead out of there keels to measure in legal at the worlds this year On BOATS THEY USED TO MAKE THE WORLDS

11-30-2009 04:53 PM

Drake76

Thanks for the note. I will start my search again in the spring.

I want an inverter because I assume the entire system doesn't run on 12v.. maybe I am wrong on that one.. I am just learning.

As for balance and weight, etc.. we are not racers. We got a good deal on the J as our first boat. Worst case scenario we will sink it and go buy something else. (If that happens I will be sure to post the story here).

Best case scenario, it lasts us for the rest of our lives as our day sailor of convenience as the lake is about a 5 minute drive from our house.

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