Monday, October 10, 2016

Speaker Paul Ryan told House Republicans on a conference call Monday morning that he’s done defending Donald Trump and will focus on maintaining his party’s increasingly imperiled House majority, according to sources on the call.The message amounted to a concession by the highest-ranking elected Republican that his nominee for president can’t win — and lawmakers should act accordingly to save themselves and preserve a Republican Congress to act as a check on Hillary Clinton.

I always told you they were the stupid faction of the bifactional Ruling Party. Now you know. Now everyone knows.

To be fair Cuck Ryan wouldn't do much to defend Jeb either, if only they fought the left as hard. Funny thing shitlib media is showing pics of Pence with his eyes closed on the podium, but no Crooked Eye Clinton with green gobs spit out into water.

TRUMP should come up with a saying for the next time gallop finds a supposedly undecided moslem voter. Maybe "Thank you for keeping an open mind as an undecided moslem, so many of your people are willing to look the other way when they see terrorists and just claim to fear the backlash afterwards. We couldn't even find a moslem in an Orlando gay bar bathroom that didn't stand with HERpes."

There is a tide in the affairs of men, which taken at the flood, leads on to fortune. Omitted, all the voyage of their life is bound in shallows and in miseries. On such a full sea are we now afloat. And we must take the current when it serves, or lose our ventures."

They could be riding the Trump campaign into world-straddling vicotry.But they are small men, with small minds, unable to see opportunity, unable to reach for glory, unable to be true even to themselves, let alone one another.And now their lives will be bound in shallows and in miseries.

You are a leader of a party and you have responsibility to the party. When you see that there is no chance your presidential nominee can win, and when you see that he has no intention of even trying to win, your job is to protect your party and its constituents.

Ryan is doing exactly the right thing by focusing on down ballot races. It's the party's only chance at this point.

They could be riding the Trump campaign into world-straddling vicotry.

It's not so much that they are small men, but the enemy. The gap between Paul Ryan policies and Hillary Clinton policies is paper thin as you zoom out from the momentary Red-Blue factional fighting to see its place in history. The GOP has acted as a giant heat sink soaking up right-wing energy and expelling it from the system, allowing progressives to march almost unimpeded for 20 years.

Can someone please explain to me where this "Trumpslide" is that you're all seeing? The last poll out today (NBC) has him down by 11 points after that tape. I'm not saying this to troll--I don't like Trump, but I'd much rather him than the Wicked Witch--I just don't understand what you're looking at that makes you conclude Trump has this thing in the bag.

"You are a leader of a party and you have responsibility to the party. When you see that there is no chance your presidential nominee can win, and when you see that he has no intention of even trying to win, your job is to protect your party and its constituents."

And so was this their strategy when they were supporting Mittens and McInsane?

@Altered Right. You wrote: "Ryan is doing exactly the right thing by focusing on down ballot races. It's the party's only chance at this point."

No, if this treacherous fool wanted to do "exactly the right thing" he would apologize to his constituents and resign. Paul Ryan's cowardly use of "omnibus spending bills" and the excuse of wanting to escape "blame for government shutdown" are why Obamacare and illegal immigration still exist.

@T-Rav. The "neverTrump" meme of the day is that he is in the process of falling in the polls, that he is losing supporters, and that he has no chance of winning. I wouldn't bet on that. Despite the ardent hopes of Establishment dead-enders, Trump turns out huge crowds (Hillary does not). Trump beats Hillary by something like 10 to 1 in private polls and did much the same thing in a ABC-sponsored online poll just last week, Finally, in the social media world frequented by younger voters, Donald Trump has 10.9 million Twitter followers compared to Hillary's 8.33 million. What does it all mean? It means that even Empires cannot create their own reality, Karl Rove's beliefs to the contrary notwithstanding..

@T-Rav. The "neverTrump" meme of the day is that he is in the process of falling in the polls, that he is losing supporters, and that he has no chance of winning. I wouldn't bet on that. Despite the ardent hopes of Establishment dead-enders, Trump turns out huge crowds (Hillary does not). Trump beats Hillary by something like 10 to 1 in private polls and did much the same thing in a ABC-sponsored online poll just last week, Finally, in the social media world frequented by younger voters, Donald Trump has 10.9 million Twitter followers compared to Hillary's 8.33 million. What does it all mean? It means that even Empires cannot create their own reality, Karl Rove's beliefs to the contrary notwithstanding..

Trump did well in this debate- it was not a knockout and I can't imagine Hillary will want to be around for the next debate. But the polls are a joke- screaming SEXISM a bit louder will not do the job.

Forget upsetting the apple cart. That already happened. I want the Trump presidency to LOOT the applecart. Lay waste to the lobbyists and defile their temples. Let us have a requiem for the dead.

His constituents are the Bush family and Mitt Romney. He doesn't care about down ballot races, otherwise he would say things designed to drive up GOP turnout, not depress it. The #NeverTrump move on Friday has the Democrats now winning the Senate after it had slipped away only a couple of weeks earlier. Their goal is the destruction of opposition to the globalist agenda. If it takes a Democrat House and Senate to do it, then so be it. Ryan, Mittens and the Bushes will then bring up abortion or some nonsense to sucker the Right into wasting all their energy electing anti-Christian globalists.

Ryan is both retarded and controlled opposition. Anyone who has even a scintilla of knowledge of elections knows that the president's ticket rises the tide that Congressional elections float on. Maybe Ryan thinks he can walk on water or something. I say we give him the chance - Lake Superior is great this time of year.

""Thank you for keeping an open mind as an undecided moslem, so many of your people are willing to look the other way when they see terrorists and just claim to fear the backlash afterwards. We couldn't even find a moslem in an Orlando gay bar bathroom that didn't stand with HERpes.""

Most Americans aren't like you my dear cushionbiter. :^)

Btw, I'm not sure if Trump wins, but if he loses, the GOP is TOAST. I wonder if these cunts are really THIS out of touch.

I mean, how on EARTH are they EVER gonna win anything after they have shown THIS kind of contempt to their own constituents?

"T-Rav, if nothing else this election cycle has clearly shown to anyone with eyes to see, that the globalists, MSM and bi-factional ruling party are all in the same bed. Believe no poll from the MSM."

Boy, I can appreciate the move toward self delusion. It's not easy to lose and lose badly when yu are invested.

At this point, the GOP has to figure out how to keep the House. The Senate is gone. By supporting Trump, you've guaranteed two new liberal Supreme Court justices in her first year. Did you notice last night Clinton did not say she would support Garland when she wins. She's going to nominate someone more liberal. Then, Ginsburg retires after this term is over in the Spring. She'll be replaced by another liberal justice. Kennedy is next...He's 80. Dead or retired by 2019. Another liberal justics is appointed. And remember, the Dems will have the senate.

“We make men without chests and expect from them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. We castrate and bid the geldings be fruitful.” -- C.S. Lewis "The Abolition of Man"

The GOP is deliberately throwing the Congressional races in order to deny a possible Trump victory any hope of implementing his agenda. Think about it, if they hold onto Congress and Trump wins, they will have no excuse failing to implement his agenda, which is counter to theirs and their donors.

@28 The reveal that the GOP leadership holds about 40-50% of its own base in utter contempt is one of the best things about this election. The base always wondered, but didn't know.

There's no going back now. If Trump loses the GOPe will make every effort to kick the Deplorables out of their own party and accept losing elections for decades as they look for replacements--probably amongst Hispanics.

Recent polling isn't so good. I am sure most are acting on that basis. They already given up on him despite NeverTrump being a losing tactic. Ryan cannot hope to win without his base that supports Trump.

Why exactly should we care whether the Republicans have Congress at this point? What would be the difference between the last spending bill and one where both houses of Congress are Democrat-controlled? Is "the Democrats might win slightly faster" supposed to scare us?

The establishment has nothing to offer us. We already know they won't do anything we want, and now we know beyond all doubt that they have nothing but contempt for us.

Altered Right wrote:"T-Rav, if nothing else this election cycle has clearly shown to anyone with eyes to see, that the globalists, MSM and bi-factional ruling party are all in the same bed. Believe no poll from the MSM."

Boy, I can appreciate the move toward self delusion. It's not easy to lose and lose badly when yu are invested.

At this point, the GOP has to figure out how to keep the House. The Senate is gone. By supporting Trump, you've guaranteed two new liberal Supreme Court justices in her first year. Did you notice last night Clinton did not say she would support Garland when she wins. She's going to nominate someone more liberal. Then, Ginsburg retires after this term is over in the Spring. She'll be replaced by another liberal justice. Kennedy is next...He's 80. Dead or retired by 2019. Another liberal justics is appointed. And remember, the Dems will have the senate.

Be careful what you wish for. ~35-40% of this country is already very pissed off about losing their rights to the federal government. Put 3 more liberal justices on the supreme court and start finding things like gun bans constitutional and you will have a revolution on your hands.

"If Trump loses the GOPe will make every effort to kick the Deplorables out of their own party and accept losing elections for decades as they look for replacements--probably amongst Hispanics."

You hit on some really interesting questions: What the GOP will do in the wake of Trump, the loss of three elections in a row and the loss of control of the Senate and the Supreme Court?

The thing is, the GOP still controls a huge portion of the country's electorate due to redistricting that makes these districts very safe. They won't fall too far back in the Senate, and they'll likely keep the house. Still, what's the post mortem?

They will look at the numbers: How did minorities vote and how did women vote? Then, how to convince these groups to vote with the GOP.

Frankly, I think their only option is to embrace populist economics, embrace the shrinking middle class, push an agenda that focuses on the middle class exclusively, give up their anti-gay agenda, do an amnesty program that denies voting rights, then hope to hell the economy doesn't get better.

"They will look at the numbers: How did minorities vote and how did women vote? Then, how to convince these groups to vote with the GOP."

They've been doing that for 25 years and they've repeatedly failed. Trump has been able to appeal to these groups better than McCain or Romney ever did.

"Frankly, I think their only option is to embrace populist economics, embrace the shrinking middle class, push an agenda that focuses on the middle class exclusively, give up their anti-gay agenda, do an amnesty program that denies voting rights, then hope to hell the economy doesn't get better."

That's what Trump has been doing! And that's why he did so well in the primaries. The GOP will NEVER embrace these ideas because their donors do not want it.

To move toward a more purposeful party platform, here are a few proposals that place sound policy before partisanship. While increasing border security (without building a nonsensical wall), create a system where undocumented immigrants can work towards legal status, not citizenship. Acknowledge the dangers of climate change and promote a 20-30 year transitional path from fossil fuels to alternative energy sources, which includes a revenue neutral carbon tax. Close the gun-show loophole and expand the market for smart handguns that can only be used by their owners. Form a bipartisan commission on tax reform that will require two ironclad criteria: revenue neutrality and the guarantee that recommendations would receive only an up-or-down vote preventing riders and amendments. In addition, to keep the swarms of lobbyists at bay, members of the House and Senate would have to wait a minimum of three years before becoming a consultant or lobbyist.

Every solution I've seen in the post-Trump era is the GOP becoming lite Democrats who want to woo and encourage immigrants.

Trump needs to make it clear, if he wins, he'll help primary challenges to incumbent Republicans that sold him and the American people out for big donors. Tell the Stupid Party: support me all the way, or get crucified in two years. The wave is coming, and they can ride it or get crushed. If it's a safe R district, fine - vote in a new republican. Don't even think that Cantor was a unique event.

The current polls seem meaningless. The MSM is without a doubt in Clinton's camp. As such I trust none of their polls. The MSM confirmationed biased themselves into look abjectly stupid with the polls regarding the BREXIT

This election tells me that the power to the MSM is almost dead. Trump apparently wins on social media. And because of the viral, electronic nature of social media, Trump doesn't have to spend a lot of money. A tweet costs (is the right concept opportunity coosts?) Trump $0.00.

Except for the liberal bastions like CBS, NBC, and ABC and such, it seems like a landslide for Trump. What I don't see is a lot of enthusiasm for Hillary in any but the most liberal corners of the intertubes.

Trumps rallies more people with more entusiasm. I've seen the web pages dedicated to showing his turnout vs her turnout.

I hope this isn't my own confirmation bias. I want to have legitimate objective reasons for believing in the Trumpslide.

If Clinton, Inc.,, wins, the deplorables aren't going away. It'll be time to ....ahem only figuratively speaking (fuck you NSA)start packing ammo. I've seen in more than one corner where people (including me) simply will not accept Clinton, Inc., as the legitimate president of the US.

@49 - Theoretically, yes. Is a practical reality, NO. It's a pipe-dream of nanny-staters everywhere. The tech is far, FAR to unreliable to ever be considered using anywhere but the practice range. Too many false positives, too many false negatives, to easy to defeat. They can't even make a good argument for what the failure-mode would be (bang, or not-bang?)

"Theoretically, yes. Is a practical reality, NO. It's a pipe-dream of nanny-staters everywhere. The tech is far, FAR to unreliable to ever be considered using anywhere but the practice range. Too many false positives, too many false negatives, to easy to defeat. They can't even make a good argument for what the failure-mode would be (bang, or not-bang?)"

"I hope this isn't my own confirmation bias. I want to have legitimate objective reasons for believing in the Trumpslide."

It is your own confirmation bias. And it's understandable.

"If Clinton, Inc.,, wins, the deplorables aren't going away. It'll be time to ....ahem only figuratively speaking (fuck you NSA)start packing ammo. I've seen in more than one corner where people (including me) simply will not accept Clinton, Inc., as the legitimate president of the US."

What makes her illegitimate. She was born in the U.S. She is old enough to be president. She will have been elected fair and square. Just a soar loser who doesn't like democracy unless your guy wins? What a fucking douche bag hypocrite.

@46 Who cares what's constitutional anymore? If they try to take my guns, I'm not going quietly, regardless of what's "legal." I only listen to it insofar as I can advance our Alt-West agenda at this point.

They've abandoned the constitution except for what they've deemed useful to fake the masses. They'll stack the courts to say whatever they want, and pretend like the authority of the document is behind it. When Scalia said that the document was dead, perhaps he was a bit more right than we thought.

It's not unlike the Churchians, who spout crap as being from God, so long as it advances their bullshit agenda. They pretend to have the authority of God, but they are hollow, just as the Supreme Court pretends to have authority from the Constitution, which is but a shell at this point.

It's amazing with these establishment conservatives. Whichever way this election goes, they still see a future where people are at leisure to ignore and forget America's dangerously mounting problems while handing them further license to go on conserving nothing whilst adding to said problems.

In their minds it's "after Trump, business as usual." This combination of obstinance and ignorance is breathtaking.

@52 - The shock of a Trump win will likely cause a number of massive coronaries, and hers might be among them. She's old enough.

Is it to early to speculate how a SCOTUS with six Trump nominees might rule? Scalia (dead), Ginsburg (nearly so), Breyer (retire), Kennedy (retire), Kegan (impeached), and Roberts (resignes upon skeletons being revealed). Or perhaps Trump will just take up Ginsburg on her offer to move to Canada.

I have to admit that it is very difficult to resist the constant doomsaying and gaslighting. In politics reality/perception feedback on each other in an endless loop.

I have no idea whether Trump's rally size is actually meaningful or not. Perhaps, his supporters just like rallies. (Personally, I would never go to a rally for any reason). In 2008 rally size seemed to really indicate enthusiasm and were at least somewhat predictive of Big Gay Obama's victory. In 2012, I recall that Romney had huge rallies in Colorado and ended up getting smoked. On the other hand, it seems that Sick Hillary's inability to generate any crowds of any size and Trump's large rallies should mean something, but perhaps not.

Likewise, many people -- including myself -- were hoodwinked by the "skewed polls" meme in 2012. That indicates that I should ignore the "shy Trump" supporter issue in 2016, but yet the cross-tabs of the polls do seem "skewed." Then again, knowing that people like me will be very skeptical of any "skewed poll" argument, does that not give them more license to skew and thus turn skewed polling into an even more effective gaslighting technique than it would have before?

I'm seeing the same old "Correct The Record" concern trolling back on this thread since Hillary was destroyed in last nights debate.

"but muh polls.. muh polls"

I'm going to blow this out of the water right now, and with citations:

If you examine the crosstabs of the polls that show huge deficits for clinton, you will notice one constant: they sample upwards of 30% more Democrats than Republicans. The more egregious Hillary's leads have nearly as many Democrats sampled as Repubicans and Independents COMBINED. They are there to push an agenda and demoralize and depress Republican turnout.

The LA Times tracking poll has shown Trump ahead for some time. It uses 2012 demographic weighting, which is still favorable to Democrats.

http://graphics.latimes.com/usc-presidential-poll-dashboard/

Trump's changes are far better than that, however. Statistical modeling of the primary contests and all other votes taken so far vs the 2008 and 2012 cycles are indicating this year will be a REVERSE of the 2008 Obama blow-out.

In short: we will have millions more republicans voting this year than Obama had democrats in 2008: widely acknowledged as the highest Democratic turnout in living memory.

@54 - Badly. No, seriously, it can't work work well. There are several methods, all have very serious (and likely insurmountable) flaws, both of a theoretical and practical nature, not to mention cost problems.

DuckDuckGo and InfoGalactic are your friends.https://infogalactic.com/info/Smart_gun is only a starting point.

Let's be blunt here, if Trump wins, Ryan will have to wait four more years, to run as the "it's his turn" RINO candidate.

He is more ambitious than that; he'll provide cover for those who want to destroy that element of the Republican party that isn't all about kowtowing to the Chamber of Commerce,the kleptocrats of Wall Street and the libertines of Silicon Valley.

No, no-Saint Pauli Girl wants to run his me-too, we'll make the hard left red a pleasing color of pink campaign in 2020, rather than 2024. He knows his changes of remaining in the House for three more elections is slim, and wants to run while still having the power and perks of being SOTHUS.

Its important that he runs for President, so he can run the Bush41-Dole-McCain-Romney playbook of feckless, nominal opposition in order be slaughtered by to whatever sort of megalomaniac leftist the Dems run.

The GOP is deliberately throwing the Congressional races in order to deny a possible Trump victory any hope of implementing his agenda. Think about it, if they hold onto Congress and Trump wins, they will have no excuse failing to implement his agenda, which is counter to theirs and their donors.

Even if the repukes come out ok in their races, I don't expect them to give any support to President Trump. I think Trump should expand upon the executive orders approach that Bush and Obama have used. I don't whine to me about muh' constitution.

You are foolish enough to think anyone on this site will fall for your BS. We know your true goal is to ban all guns. If you get 3 more justices you will attempt to do just that. You also will give full citizenship voting rights to illegals the second the cross the border. You believe we are going to be dumb enough to go along quietly. That isn't going to happen. You are also going to be surprised when what you think are your allies (the illegals/rapefugees you let in) are not willing to help you but instead are interested in advancing their own interests (which don't match yours).

Fingerprint scanner. Doesn't work in the rain, or in blood; the shock of anything over a .22LR round breaks the electronics. The scanner takes 2-10 seconds to power up and recognize your fingerprint on the draw - you're already dead.

Magnetic ring or wristwatch. Doesn't work in the rain, or in blood. If it's strong enough to be reliable it's strong enough to screw up your cellphone. If your normal firing hand is injured or you are wrestling with an assailant you can't use it in your off hand unless you're always wearing two rings or two wristwatches. Your wife and kids can't use it in an emergency unless they too are always wearing the rings and wristwatches. The mechanical version has jamming issues but can handle stronger bullets, the electronic version can't go above .22LR.

The modern firearm is a 'four nines' technology. In and of itself, you should be able to fire a firearm reliably an average 10,000 times before a failure in the mechanism. These technologies are 'one nine'.. generally they fail two times out of twenty in tests.

Keep in mind the polling companies actually do want to stay in business so if they are oversampling the Democrats on purpose now they will correct this in the last polls right before the election. That way if Trump wins they could claim they predicted it all along.

This is another reason why the final polls, generally about 3 days or less before the election are the most accurate.

@65 - yes. Tokyo Rose has a thousand bastard children, getting paid by Soros & Co as shills to marginalize, demonize, demoralize, divide, denigrate, and isolate. Do not let them get under your skin, no matter how much they resemble splinters dipped in poison oak. Just keep convincing one neighbor at a time.

The thing is, the GOP still controls a huge portion of the country's electorate due to redistricting that makes these districts very safe. They won't fall too far back in the Senate, and they'll likely keep the house. Still, what's the post mortem?

Secession. The Red states control the major waterways, the bulk of energy production, most food production and some deep water ports. The leftist controlled federales will become increasingly corrupt and incompetent. Relations will return to pre-Civil War mentality: the relationship with the Feds is to be managed, all major policy decisions are made at the state level, planning for the collapse of USG once the U.S. dollar collapses.

"She will have been elected fair and square."More like by hook and crook. "Just a soar loser who doesn't like democracy unless your guy wins? What a fucking douche bag hypocrite."I bet your one of those that shrieked about W being " not my president!"Shut up, fool.

@17 - But the polls are a joke- screaming SEXISM a bit louder will not do the job.

Every major poll save one has seen a major shift as a result of #PussyGate. Either the pollsters are dynamically adjusting their polls day by day, or there really has been a shift.

I would be inclined to believe the former if it wasn't for Rasmussen showing a 6pt Clinton jump.

The only exception has been the LA Times poll. Their methodology makes the poll resistant to temporary spikes, so as of this morning Trump still leads.

But that could mean one of two things. Either #PussyGate will blow over and the other polls will tighten back up. Or it won't and LA Times will just take longer to reflect the shift.

But the polls are a joke- screaming SEXISM a bit louder will not do the job.

American history since ratification of the 19th Amendment says otherwise. SEXISM! has done the job on taxes, the budget, the courts, family law, the prosecution of wars, the composition of the supreme court, education, abortion up to the moment of birth, the choice to ignore Bill Clinton's rapes, etc, etc, etc.

We have men serving in the army forced to march in red high heels because sexism. We have tech companies purposely firing all their white males and basically getting away with it because sexism. We have men who allow themselves to be beat to a pulp by their wives, only to be arrested and imprisoned by male cops when she doesn't have a mark on her...because sexism.

Trump is fighting the Democrats, half the Republican party, the mainstream media, the billionaire globalists, and now SEXISM!

Altered Right wrote:You are a leader of a party and you have responsibility to the party. When you see that there is no chance your presidential nominee can win, and when you see that he has no intention of even trying to win, your job is to protect your party and its constituents.

Ryan is doing exactly the right thing by focusing on down ballot races.

Then DO THAT. You don't have to stab your allies in the back to focus on down ballot races you fucking cuck.

Speaker Paul Ryan told House Republicans on a conference call Monday morning that he’s done defending Donald Trump and will focus on maintaining his party’s increasingly imperiled House majority, according to sources on the call.

Should Trump lose, it will be due in no small part to the GOP.

And if that happens I am done with the GOP. I will neither forget nor forgive this. Either there will be a new alt-right party, or I will check out of American (((democracy))). But I will never give another (R) politician my vote.

As for Paul Ryan personally: I wouldn't bother to throw a glass of water on him if he was on fire. Same for Romney, McCain, and Jeb!

@7 - Ryan is doing exactly the right thing by focusing on down ballot races. It's the party's only chance at this point.

Ryan has, and continues to do, everything in his power to destroy the Republican party. He is a more effective and lethal enemy of the right than anyone with a (D) next to their name.

"smart handguns that can only be used by their owners..."Is this sort of technology possible now??

It will never be reliable enough for cops to want it and criminals grabbing their guns is a big problem for them. If the battery dies the gun would be useless. Keep the govt out of my bedroom.

How is the technology supposed to work? Like obamacare

If you think Ginsberg will retire, all your other judgements are suspect.

I am willing to bake Ginsberg & the latrina a cake also :) . Hey wise latrina, come to my cantina, taste the nightshade, while I get out a spade, you were not in the top 20% of your high school class, while I learned to compost a lass, from David the Good, in the permaculture hood.

I should point out there is a good case for impeaching those "supremes" who didn't recuse themselves on the gay marriage/divorce/alimony case who had performed gay marriages, that's at least 2.

She is old enough to be president. She will have been elected fair and square.

Did you miss WikiLeaks and the democrat party cheifess having to resign at her own convention for burning Bernie? Clintons don't just go by hook or by crook, but Buy hookers and by Crooked.

SEXISM! has done the job on taxes, the budget, the courts, family law, the prosecution of wars, the composition of the supreme court, education, abortion up to the moment of birth, the choice to ignore Bill Clinton's rapes, etc, etc, etc.

If this is a Brexit election and voters have had enough, then the polls are probably off.Brexit was clearly framed as a "take back control" election.I don't think Trump has framed this election as taking back control from the banks and globalist elites, at least to independent normies who think Time magazine and CNN are news outlets.

You are a leader of a party and you have responsibility to the party. When you see that there is no chance your presidential nominee can win, and when you see that he has no intention of even trying to win, your job is to protect your party and its constituents.

Ryan is doing exactly the right thing by focusing on down ballot races.

Bullshit in a couple ways. No one who says "there is no chance he can win" believes that whatsoever. They-- and you-- don't believe that yourself and even as you make the statement you know that people won't buy it.

And if Ryan was truly doing work for his downballot guys, he would acknowledge the undeniable fact that tons of voters who would have sat out otherwise will come out on election day to vote for Trump and that most of those are disgruntled Republicans. Those same voters will likely vote Republican on downballot contests UNLESS the those candidates come out as anti-Trump.

If/when Trump wins, this is Ryan's last chance to get some of his squishy middle Repubs into seats, because next round we will see a bunch of nationalist/state-first guys running because of Trump's success.

So Ryan is actually hurting his (supposed) team's chances by attempting to squash Trump votes.

I do believe the polls are showing a real reaction to Trump's leaked audio. As silly and ridiculous as it all is.

But today is too soon for them to reveal anything at all about the debate. If Trump gets a debate bounce...and he clearly should given his performance...we won't see the full impact until later this week.

I do believe the polls are showing a real reaction to Trump's leaked audio.

It was sold by the media and GOPe as the end of the Trump campaign, rumors of him dropping out. It was the political equivalent to yelling fire in a theater. By Thursday we'll know if the debate counteracted it or not.

Roundtine wrote:I do believe the polls are showing a real reaction to Trump's leaked audio.

It was sold by the media and GOPe as the end of the Trump campaign, rumors of him dropping out. It was the political equivalent to yelling fire in a theater. By Thursday we'll know if the debate counteracted it or not.

The coordination on this leak was obvious. The leak dropped Friday night and within 24 hours republican's were making statements and Saturday night live updated all of their skits to include a reference to it? Some how, I think not.

The hypocrisy was laid bare in their skit on weekend update when they said "yeah, Bill Clinton has done and said worse but at least he did it with style"

That should be Game. Set. Match. if anyone running the Trump campaign would take the time to highlight it. They admitted on air that they don't really care about the issue other than using it as a bludgeon.

With regards to the polls showing Hillary up by a lot: The interesting thing is they have Hillary winning by 8 to 11%, when Obama at his best in 2008, won by 7.2 %.

Now think back to 2008: the economy was in shambles, the Iraq war was very unpopular, Obama was perceived as a hopeful post racial peace president or so portrayed to whites and an Icon to Blacks. The republicans had had office for 8 years, the trend since WWII was the part in power to hold office for 8 years and then switch (only untrue with Carter and Bush 88). McCain was weak and old. Obama had every advantage possible and won it by 7.2 %

If we go back to 2012, Obama won it by 3.9%. White working class turn out was around 55 %. Hmmm... does anyone think Hillary is more popular than Obama in 2012 or in 2008? Can she get the 64% turn out in Blacks that Obama got in 2012, when the national turn out rate was ~53 %. It is very unlikely she could get, even assuming the rest of the electorate votes in the same proportions as 2012, a spread of more than 2~3% above Trump.

Something is bogus in that poll, as are a lot of the polls showing Hillary ahead by 7 or more points. 1 to 3 points could be possible, above that is simply not creditable. Unlike other elections where the polls seem to start to converge as the race goes along, in this election they are heading in opposite directions. Polls such as state UPI, PPD, LA times show Trump up by a few points, while these other polls like NBC are headed in the other direction with Hillary margins of 8 to 11 %. Unreal internals in most of these polls, things like 46 % Dem, 35 % republicans and 19% independents. If you did down into the internals the bias seems to be deliberate, there is no other conclusion possible. If you look at the polls where trump is up a few, the internals look a lot more reasonable. Why would this be?

My conclusion is polls like this are being released to keep the 2 to 4 percent Trump up polls from affecting poll aggregate sites that average polls (like RCP and 538). I note as trump climbed in certain polls, these other polls deviate in the exact opposite direction, so that he RCP and 538 average still always show Hillary up by 2 to 3 points. The only possible reason is an attempt to damp enthusiasm for Trump, the democratic win is only possible if the Trump crowd does not come out to vote.

Not saying trump is going to win, but there can be no doubt that at this point the polls are total messed up.

I honestly have no idea what the GOPe is doing. Pissing off your base is going to cost you a lot more votes than than you gain by cutting Trump lose. Now through their own stupidity, they may actually lose what they really care about, the House. It makes no sense.

Suppose even worse stuff comes out about Trump and he loses handily -- it's not going to matter next election. THE GOPe simply doesn't understand the electorate. They aren't buying themselves any goodwill from suburban woman or Latinos or whatever by renouncing Trump even if he loses. Did John McCain refusing to go negative against Obama somehow inoculate Republicans from being called racists?

It's almost as if they don't care whether the lose everything. Their invitations to the polite society cocktail parties trumps all, and being a lobbyist pays better anyway.

Wild gyrations in the polls should be taken with a grain of salt. Both Hillary and the Donald are polarizing figures and combine that with the chasm that exists between the beltway and the heartland most Americans have long ago made up their minds. Any undecideds out there are undecided for a reason - deep dissatisfaction with the choice - and are unlikely to vote.

So it will come down to who gets out the vote. And this maneuvering may be a strategy by the GOPe to depress the turnout - out of spite over losing control to the deplorables.

I suspect the denizens of Sea Island are making their moves. Expect a lot more shrill from the shills as decision day draws closer.

The Establishment Party defines "win" as "leadership keeps their seats and perks and gravy flowing to favored constituents." It has nothing to do with reducing the debt, securing the borders, improving the lives of 3rd generation Americans, keeping any but the elites safe or employed. The Party defines Mr. and Mrs. average American being free, independent, and not needing a government program as a major LOSS. Weilding the power that comes with government programs and taxing and spending is what they exist to do. That is their high.

@101 In a strange way, the ordinary Converged have a cargo-cult belief in the free-market system and Western Civ. They really believe that it can absorb infinite damage and keep churning out prosperity and the conditions for libertine-ism forever. The non-Converged realized that we our civilization is redlined and has been for twenty-five years or more. Personally, I think we are one generation away (at best).

The technology has been demonstrated a couple of years ago. http://smarttechfoundation.org/smart-gun-news-and-updates/ do have some info on guns with biometrics.

This is the NRA position https://www.nraila.org/issues/smart-gunspersonalized-firearms/

Personally, I don't like the idea - you are putting a load of electronics with multiple failure modes into the most important part of a gun, that might fail when your life depends on it working correctly? No thank you. Develope it for the armed forces of the UN. It is not too difficult to generate an EMP pulse , right before the armed rebellion.

"Even if Trump loses, this was soooo worth it. Just to watch the establishment squirm, it's not as if any of the other candidates would have beat her anyway."

That's just it. They could have. Cruz. Christie, Kasich. They all would have been much closer, much better candidates.

But, right wingers this year acted like children. They think governing and representation means always getting everything you want. They think any compromise is wrong. It's so childish, but it's the nature of Republicans and Right wingers in this day and age. So, they nominated someone they thought would never compromise and who would stick it to the compromising sons of bitch GOPe.

How's that working out. America's right wing has turned into one big nursery school.

@125Geez, did somebody light up a bat-signal for baby-dicks and ladyboys?

Desperation. The preference cascade is building, Trump's "You'd be in jail!" is electric. Flying monkies are for sure under orders to post their fart-thought in every comment stream they can find, to try to tamp down momentum.

Trolls, ask yourself, is this any kind of a life? Sitting in some former call center tapping scripted bullshit for minimum wage? Even working as a barrista is better than that. Is this what you had in mind when you took an "internship" while wokring on women's studies / communications studies / independent studies? Wouldn't you like to do more for yourself and others than this?

Step away from your keyboard. Go outside and get some fresh air. Look around at the world. See there's more to life than smelling SJW farts all day.

Give up, trolls. Your side is losing. Better to step away from trolling now while you have some plausible deniability and a shred of dignity.

@130FWIW, I'm betting Pence is nominated by acclamation in 2020 if Trump should lose. He's probably the only contender acceptable to all factions.

Doubt it. Remember how we got here. The TEA Party tried the whole "petition respectfully" by filling up the Mall and picking up all the trash. DNCe laughed and called them "teabaggers", GOPe took their money and votes then showed them the door.

Ayoob has been shilling for Magna-Triggers for a couple decades now. But that system only works on some models of revolver and they don't modify auto pistols.http://www.tarnhelm.com/magna-trigger/gun/safety/magna1.html

I am really amazed that some people think it's just going to be business as usual if Clinton wins.

The demographic shift, now staggering--will increase at exponential speed. If you think you feel like a stranger in a strange land, you aint seen nothing yet.

It will become very uncomfortable to be white in the US, very quickly.

The GOP--it's finished. The Democrat party will become a warring faction of minorities (different "gangs" stronger in different regions--Muslims in Minnesota, Mexicans in California, etc.) and they'll be united on only one front--get whitey and get whitey's sh*t.

I know the Soros trolls are fantasizing about their ultimate wet dream. The white populace a minority, locked in the US, quietly accepting its assignment to oblivion, all the while funding its own demise.

Quite the tidy little whimpering end to Western civilization. There was another time in this country when a large segment of the population woke up to its permanent disenfranchisement. Because of geographic division, the more populous North won. Now, however, the reds and blues are mixed a bit more thoroughly.

Over four decades, he talked about them in his 1983 book The Truth About Self-Protection, back when revolvers had much more of the market.

As a cop back then, he was very concerned about weapons retention, and what happened if that failed, and liked features like Magna-Triggers or external safeties that made guns more "proprietary", and in his many writings has cited some examples where they saved officer's lives (even a second or two of a perp fumbling with a gun who's safety is on can be enough).

He of course believes a lot of this applies to us civilians as well, who were the target audience of that excellent and encyclopedic book (topics on guns occupy only a small portion of it).

OT? Speculation: Going to put this here, as not sure where else to put it.

The LSM spends a couple days about Trumps "locker room" talk.

There was a lot of pre-debate rumors being sent forth, and one biggie was from Infowars. They said the #PussyGate was actually prepping the ground for some new attack, in which they were going to accuse Trump of being a pedo.

Then, a few hours before the debate, this one guy on Twitter suppose to be in Anonymous was saying they had major dirt and Trump knows about it. This dirt he later mentioned was they got a girl and Bill from pedo island, and they got her name and all kind of stuff.

Speculation: If all that is True, then if the Hillaroids try to smear Trump like that, Trump has a nuke to blast the sheeeiiitt out of the Clintoons.

Let's just hope when he's elected, his group doesn't let bygones be bygones and he helps purge them from the fold. Cucks are traitors and not to be trusted.---

I'm gonna help someone on Twitter with collecting names and info on Cucks. People are furious at the Cucks - as in - no matter what happens, the cucks are going down. People are talking about F the downticket, only vote Trump. Which is crazy but the Cucks have it coming!

http://www.dangerandplay.com/2016/10/09/the-inside-story-of-how-the-gop-sabotaged-trumps-voter-registration-drive/Tweet thread with more damning tidbitshttps://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/783543498544910337

They filed a fake lawsuit with a girl from Pedo Island against Trump already... it's been out there for months. But the girl didn't show up and the mailing address didn't work. So who knows. Maybe she'll show for real and they supposedly have refiled.. and they'll make a big hay of it a week before the election. But it's all BS.

there will be no republican party if we lose. and hopefully no republican establishment if we win. the down ballot candidates need to decide if its more important to have ryans financial support, or the support of the voters. if Trump wins ryans support wont be worth a bucket of warm piss

Don't call actors stupid. You are insulting talented performers. It isn't their fault that millions of hard-working Americans are idiots and actually believe any of the lies they are forced to trot out every two years.

Besides, the problem is their owners. They write the scripts and produce everything.

I'm taking some time to re read "Team of Rivals", mostly to see and understand how the collapse of the Whig party and creation of the Republican party happened so rapidly. There are probably meany lessons to learn as the GOP is eclipsed by a new "American" party which forwards the agenda of the Alt Right and Alt West.

(While the American Party name is notional, it certainly gives clear signal as to what the goals of the party will be).

Cant they not see that "the party" is no longer "their" party -- and if they want to stay with us, they need to hurry up and try to get back out front in changing the world (or, at least, this country)!

As I (partly) answered my local Repub outfit, and Newt Gingrinch {eye roll} and the national Repub begging me for money and support for down ticket cucks: ==============So you'll be getting no support from me! The Trumpslide is coming; y'all are gonna get your snouts pushed out of the govt trough! EITHER you will show the people you are willing to speak the TRUTH and take action to protect this country and her people (and NOT all the people of the world!) -- or you'll be yesterday's news!

(How in the HELL can you people not be raising high holy hell in the press and on the floor on Congress against all these supposed Repubs joining with the Dems against the CLEAR favorite nominee of the American people!? The REPUBLICAN people WANT Trump! Oh, but none of you will say anything against your friends and peers at the trough -- so, just remember, we Americans will NOT differentiate between those NeverTrumpers claiming to be Repubs -- and all you alleged Repubs who won't say a thing against them!