Wednesday, October 31, 2007

Bloody Jews

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October 29, 2007

The carnival of genocides continues unabated. Now it's Ukraine asking Israel to recognize the famine of 1930s as a genocide. The Haaretz has an article about it:

Ukrainian President Victor Yushchenko is expected to ask Israel to recognize the genocide of the Ukrainian people in the 1930s by their communist government when he visits here in about two weeks, sources said. Israel is not expected to accede to the request, which has won the support of Jewish community leaders in Ukraine, so as not to damage its relationship with Vladimir Putin's government at a sensitive time.

Millions of Ukrainians died of hunger from 1931 to 1932 following the collectivization of farming in the Soviet Union by Joseph Stalin. Famine was particularly severe in Ukraine, which was a regional breadbasket and was strongly opposed to the move. At the same time the communist government attempted to wipe out Ukrainian intelligentsia and nationalists, with estimations of the number of victims ranging from a million and a half to 10 million.

In the comments section I had a peace roundtable with a few well intentioned individuals (I think I should make peace roundtables my profession. I certainly got a touch for this shit). I am posting as NB.

#48 Bronstein

Churchill: Jewish Revolution 1917

Genocide in Ukraine just one massmurder

Solzhenitsyn: "Jews were Stalin`s murderers""Every ordinary Russian faced a Jew as his judge and as his executioner. Where ever the Russian went, he met a Jew in a superior position to him."

Out of 556 important functionaries of the Bolshevik State there were 457 Jews. First President of Soviet Union was a Jew, Yakov Sverdlov. First Chairman appointed to the Soviet State was a Jew, Leo Trotsky or Lev Davidovich Bronstein.

"Jew Bolshevism shed the blood of at least sixty-six million"

#49,#51 Walid

Sever Plocker in YNet News reported: In his book on the Stalinist purges, Tel Aviv University`s Dr. Igal Halfin writes that Stalinist violence was unique in that it was directed internally. Lenin, Stalin, and their successors could not have carried out their deeds without wide-scale cooperation of disciplined "terror officials," cruel interrogators, snitches, executioners, guards, judges, perverts, and many bleeding hearts who were members of the progressive Western Left and were deceived by the Soviet regime of horror and even provided it with a kosher certificate.

And us, the Jews? An Israeli student finishes high school without ever hearing the name "Genrikh Yagoda," the greatest Jewish murderer of the 20th Century, the GPU`s deputy commander and the founder and commander of the NKVD. Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin`s collectivization orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million people. His Jewish deputies established and managed the Gulag system. After Stalin no longer viewed him favorably, Yagoda was demoted and executed, and was replaced as chief hangman in 1936 by Yezhov, the "bloodthirsty dwarf." Yezhov was not Jewish but was blessed with an active Jewish wife. In his Book "Stalin: Court of the Red Star", Jewish historian Sebag Montefiore writes that during the darkest period of terror, when the Communist killing machine worked in full force, Stalin was surrounded by beautiful, young Jewish women.

Stalin`s close associates and loyalists included member of the Central Committee and Politburo Lazar Kaganovich. Montefiore characterizes him as the "first Stalinist" and adds that those starving to death in Ukraine, an unparalleled tragedy in the history of human kind aside from the Nazi horrors and Mao`s terror in China, did not move Kaganovich. Many Jews sold their soul to the devil of the Communist revolution and have blood on their hands for eternity. We`ll mention just one more: Leonid Reichman, head of the NKVD`s special department and the organization`s chief interrogator, who was a particularly cruel sadist. In 1934, according to published statistics, 38.5 percent of those holding the most senior posts in the Soviet security apparatuses were of Jewish origin. They too, of course, were gradually eliminated in the next purges. In a fascinating lecture at a Tel Aviv University convention this week, Dr. Halfin described the waves of soviet terror as a "carnival of mass murder," "fantasy of purges", and "essianism of evil." Turns out that Jews too, when they become captivated by messianic ideology, can become great murderers, among the greatest known by modern history.

The Jews active in official communist terror apparatuses (In the Soviet Union and abroad) and who at times led them, did not do this, obviously, as Jews, but rather, as Stalinists, communists, and "Soviet people." Therefore, we find it easy to ignore their origin and "play dumb": What do we have to do with them? But let`s not forget them. My own view is different. I find it unacceptable that a person will be considered a member of the Jewish people when he does great things, but not considered part of our people when he does amazingly despicable things. Even if we deny it, we cannot escape the Jewishness of "our hangmen," who served the Red Terror with loyalty and dedication from its establishment. After all, others will always remind us of their origin.

#67,#69 NB

to #49 Walid

The point you are making is moot because Jews tend to be overrepresented in intellectual and political circles. I am a Russian Israeli and while there can be no denying that Jews played a disproportionate role in Russian communist party and security apparatus they were overrepresented among the soviet dissidents as well. You can as well bring an example of Elena Bonner, a life partner of the Soviet dissident number one Andrey Sakharov and claim that the anti communist opposition in the Soviet Union was either Jewish or surrounded by Jewish women. The parents of one of my friends in Russia were activists in the Solzhenitsyn fund for political prisoners and I assure you that both the Solzhenitsyn fund and the Helsinki group were packed with Jews as all major anti communist groups in the former Soviet Union.

Jews certainly have something with leftism and the anti globalist guru Noam Chomsky is the most famous or better infamous example. On the other hand Milton Friedman, the father of the Chicago school of economic neo liberalism and many of his students were Jewish too. It`s pointless to quote Jewish names from one side of the political divide because usually you can find just as many Jewish names on the other.

When it`s said that 50% of all suicide bombers are Muslim Arabs and the rest are other Muslims it does not mean that 20% of all Nobel prize nominees are Muslim Arabs. But the fact that 20% of Nobel prize nominees are Jews does not mean that Jews cannot be overrepresented in radical left circles. Neither it means that Jews cannot be overrepresented in anti communist circles. Jews are overrepresented in almost any sphere.

#74 Vladimir

@69, NB, Jews are getting 38% of Nobel prizes lately, not 20%.

We had 20% 55 years ago.

#88 Axel

NB #67 & #69

Thank you for the two good posts.

Similar discussions appear here in Germany from time to time, mostly trigegred by some rightist politicians. They are always refuted by mainstriem or leftwing demorcrats.

I think, that neither accusing nor denying something is helpful to undestand the history.

#109 NB

To #88 Axel

I think, that neither accusing nor denying something is helpful to understand the history.

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The thing is that while Plocker may have a point, he still goes way too far with his idea of teaching Jewish schoolchildren this stuff for a very simple reason: unlike Walid`s friends from HA and Hamas, Yagoda and others were no Jewish supremacists. Neither they were some pan Jewists or anything.

These people were hardcore Marxist fundamentalists. It`s a kinda difficult to insist that Jews should collectively atone for the sins committed by people who were militantly atheist and anti nationalist, who were rejecting Jewish traditions and religion, who denied the very Jewish national identity because the only identity they recognized was social class.

October 31, 2007

#114 abd

to NB #67 Jewish intellectual overrepresentation

Is that an excuse? Of sort? There were still Jews, werent` they? of whatever persuasion. And does merit for anyone to say that Jews did this horrible things! Why the fact that there were Jews on the opposite spectrum diminish this issue? Jews did this. Why try to white wash what they did by saying they didn`t even think of themselves as Jews. In today`s terminology they are self-hating Jews. But no escaping who they were.

#143,#144 NB

To #114 abd

But who said that Jews should be held responsible for actions of self hating Jews ??? I did not. Let alone these people were no self hating or self loving Jews. Communism does not care for nationalities.

Never mind that over the last years the Russians have all but rehabilitated Stalinism. Stalin is now considered a great national leader who had defeated Germany and industrialized Russia. A statue of Stalin is planned in Moscow, another one elsewhere. Polls indicate that at least 50% of the Russians think Stalin`s contribution to Russia was positive.

Don't you think that it`s a kinda weird that Plocker would be confessing Stalinist sins of people who were only genetically Jewish while the Russians themselves are busy erecting new statues of the man ???