All I get from Jerry's posts is that he hates anything that actually works and that is not a Vulcan 750, which is every bit of an appliance, but to him it is the measuring stick for any kind of motorcycle.

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Jerry's problem is he thinks he has a new audience each time he post.
Thus, tube tires, center stand, no efi, too much money, crotch rocket, etc.

Jerry's problem is he thinks he has a new audience each time he post.
Thus, tube tires, center stand, no efi, too much money, crotch rocket, etc.

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Yep he doing to much of this and thinking it's flying under the radar Like a 007 . Relax everyone and get a . As for myself I know everyone knows that I m full of hot air . If I start to think any of you really care what I think you can stone me :stoned.

Yep he doing to much of this and thinking it's flying under the radar Like a 007 . Relax everyone and get a . As for myself I know everyone knows that I m full of hot air . If I start to think any of you really care what I think you can stone me :stoned.

This thread has been more entertaining than reading Letters to the Editor in a local newspaper. Some like the looks of this scooter, some think that sucks, but they like that one. I tend to subscribe to the policy of: don't diss a man's wife, his dog, or his truck. He picked what he likes, and shouldn't have to defend any of that, unless you are buying it for him.

So, buy a Kymco... or a Vespa... or a Honda... or whatever appeals to you. If you buy a scoot you think is ugly, you have only yourself to blame. If someone else's opinion makes you change your mind and now you think your scoot is ugly, you are too easily influenced by others. Kidding aside, that doesn't happen here, so saying, "such and such has too much plastic" or "that scoot can't get out of its own way" or other similar stuff just sounds like junior high postering.

And, Jerry, really, man, I keep defending your right to say dumb shit, but to talk about a Taiwan scoot not having style and then say you are considering a Fiat 500?? One word, my friend: credibility. Even JLo couldn't make that Fiat look sexy. Then, tell us your two stroke, unreliable Stella has "personality"??? That's like saying, "I want to introduce to you a friend of my girlfriend - she has a great personality." :eek1

No need to fear 4 doors. If you can overlook the all-the-way-to-the-bone ugly (way more than skin-deep) of a Maverick, you can expand your 2-door romance to get way more selection and just not use the other two doors!

Back to the scoots: I was amazed at all the different choices when we first considered scooters less than a year ago. I guess we need to have some biases to start wading through all the options. There is a reason ice cream shops don't have just vanilla. Get the flavor that you like, and don't get all twisted about what other people think.

But, seriously... a Fiat 500??

Captain Jim (Oh, and I have a cat, not a dog)

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I'd actually like to own a old school Cinquecentro with the 16 hp two cylinder 500 cc engine.

A 1958 Fiat 600 was my go-to-college car. It was cheap, ugly, got good gas mileage, started every time, and self-destructed two months after I graduated. Perfect timing.

I lived in South Mission Beach (San Diego). The kid next door had a Citroen Deux Chevaux. The neighbors loved them both because it gave them an endless topic for discussion, as in which one was the ugliest. In two years the salt air did irreparable damage to both cars.

In my opinion the new Fiat 500 is downright good-looking compared to the one I had.

To my eyes, the 1958 Fiat 600 has far more character than the current Fiat 500. :eek1

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To my eyes all old vehicles have more character than newer ones. The character has all been refined out of the new ones.

That DOESN'T mean the old ones are better, but neither does it mean the new ones are better. It depends on what you are looking for. No one car or bike is "best", or even "better" It depends on what you want it for.

Well, now that we've wandered down a different path, and we all get to inject our own opinion (free of charge), there are new car models that visually striking.

I had a '69 Firebird back in the day. I remember it stirred me more than the Camaro. Since only the Camaro is an option these days, I have to say the new Camaro is a better looking car (IMHO) than back in the 60s. Lean towards European sports cars? The newest Porsche 911 is better looking than the 60s versions of the same.

I agree that most sedans have a similar designed-with-a-wind-tunnel look.

Bringing it back towards motorcycles, most of the new bikes are more pleasing to my eye than bikes built 30 years ago. For full disclosure, I like the styling of the Honda PCX better than a Vespa. It's all a matter of taste.

The really good part of all this is: options... lots of options. If you have the budget, you can have the latest technology and customize it to your tastes. Not so much budget? Go for a "classic". Just like the older styles? You can keep most anything on the road these days, if you have the skills or the bucks.

Jerry may have softened a bit here, allowing that old stuff "may not be better" than new. Let's all form a circle, hold hands, and sing Kumbaya.

Would you believe the Fiat 500 2 door version is being dropped in favor of a FOUR DOOR version? What is it with the damn 4 door thing? You can't even buy a 2 door car anymore, unless it is an expensive sports car. They could have kept the 2 door in the lineup. Looks like it is coming down to the Toyota Yaris.

Anything can have problems, but Kymco scooters are as reliable as anything out there, and moreso than most, including the high dollar Vespas. If you want reliable transportation with a reasonable price, get a Kymco. If you want style, an image, and a fancy name that gets attention, then get a Vespa. But don't expect higher quality and reliability for all that extra money. It just depends on what you want, and there is nothing wrong with wanting either.

Would you believe the Fiat 500 2 door version is being dropped in favor of a FOUR DOOR version? What is it with the damn 4 door thing? You can't even buy a 2 door car anymore, unless it is an expensive sports car. They could have kept the 2 door in the lineup. Looks like it is coming down to the Toyota Yaris.

Anything can have problems, but Kymco scooters are as reliable as anything out there, and moreso than most, including the high dollar Vespas. If you want reliable transportation with a reasonable price, get a Kymco. If you want style, an image, and a fancy name that gets attention, then get a Vespa. But don't expect higher quality and reliability for all that extra money. It just depends on what you want, and there is nothing wrong with wanting either.

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Jerry, are you SURE the 2 door is going away? I sincerely doubt that since the 4 door was added to give Fiat dealers more models to sell, not the same number of 1. And arguably, the coupe is the quintessential Fiat 500 and always will. be. I'd re-check your info source on that...seriously.

On this I'm going to have to agree with you; the Vespa is NOT more reliable then a Kymco.

But then neither is a BMW or Mercedes car, more relaible than say a Corolla or an Avalon. I've owned both and can speak from experience.

What you DO get with a Vespa, or a BMW or a Mercedes, or a Harley etc. is an experience that is often imitated, and never duplicated. That's the difference...the "X" factor. And "YES" it typically costs more, and many people want and are willing to pay for that extra "something".

Jerry, are you SURE the 2 door is going away? I sincerely doubt that since the 4 door was added to give Fiat dealers more models to sell, not the same number of 1. And arguably, the coupe is the quintessential Fiat 500 and always will. be. I'd re-check your info source on that...seriously.

On this I'm going to have to agree with you; the Vespa is NOT more reliable then a Kymco.

But then neither is a BMW or Mercedes car, more relaible than say a Corolla or an Avalon. I've owned both and can speak from experience.

What you DO get with a Vespa, or a BMW or a Mercedes, or a Harley etc. is an experience that is often imitated, and never duplicated. That's the difference...the "X" factor. And "YES" it typically costs more, and many peoplewant and are willing to pay for that extra "something".

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That I have to agree with. If you want it, and can afford it, go for it. But the OP seemed to be implying that everybody should want and be able to afford it, and that a lesser scooter was simply not worth buying, because it doesn't have that special something, even though it is as or more reliable.

As for the Fiat, they do not show a 2 door as a 2014 model. That could be because there are still plenty of 2013 models already here, and the 2014 model will be introduced later. I certainly hope so. I will not be able to buy in time to get a 2013.

I dropped mine off at Lincoln Power Sports in Mosco Mills Missouri, yesterday, for a growling noise upon take off up to 15mph, then it's all go. Can't wait to get it back, hope it's fixed. I have a lot of fun riding it. Twist and go for me. My second Kymco Exciting first was a 250R.

Oh now I have to get one. Actually it reminds me a lot of the mid '70s Honda Civic, especially the yellow one. Seems like most of those early Civics were yellow. They were super cool little cars, and I wanted one in the worst way, but could not afford one. By the time I could, they had ruined the Civic, and came out with the Accord, which looked like a bigger Civic in the beginning. IMO, Honda cars have gone downhill ever since. Sometimes evolution is not a good thing, at least for me.

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Enjoying the Kymco thread, I currently own several motorcycles, street, dual sport, hooligan , hut have a Kymco 250 Gran Vista I keep in our AZ place for the winter. It has surprised me with it's fun factor. The real reason for my comment is the FIAt (F ix I t A gain T ony)comments. You guys are probably too young to remember the Fiats of the late 60's early 70's. I owned an 850 Spider and several friends had other various models. I'd walk before I bought another Fiat. They were poorly made, required lots of maintenance and had REALLY poor resale. Before you say yeah, but that was then this is now. I rented a diesel Fiat "Idea" in Italy last year and it brought back all of the old dislikes.

Enjoying the Kymco thread, I currently own several motorcycles, street, dual sport, hooligan , hut have a Kymco 250 Gran Vista I keep in our AZ place for the winter. It has surprised me with it's fun factor. The real reason for my comment is the FIAt (F ix I t A gain T ony)comments. You guys are probably too young to remember the Fiats of the late 60's early 70's. I owned an 850 Spider and several friends had other various models. I'd walk before I bought another Fiat. They were poorly made, required lots of maintenance and had REALLY poor resale. Before you say yeah, but that was then this is now. I rented a diesel Fiat "Idea" in Italy last year and it brought back all of the old dislikes.

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The human long-term memory is a funny thing....deletes the negatives and remembers the only the positives.