Re: Mary Sue.

No, it sounds like Carlie just comes off as being ignorant of Peter's situation. She doesn't know any of what all that you said up there. She believes that he has never been in the same kind of situation she just went through, and tells him as much, having no idea that he most knows even better then she does.

Re: Mary Sue.

Except, given that she is also friends with Harry Osborn, who is also one of Peter's best friends, doesn't it seem strange that she wouldn't know at least something about what Peter had gone through? And even if she didn't, the fact that she actually believes she's right and that Peter has never faced the kind of experience she had, it still doesn't change the fact that she's still wrong about him despite Peter taking what she says to heart.

Re: Mary Sue.

To me, that's a presumptuous thing for ANYONE to say to someone else, especially someone they've met relatively recently. Just because you're not personally aware of any traumatic/life-changing events in someone's life doesn't mean that there haven't been any.

Re: Mary Sue.

Exactly! Sure, from Carlie's perspective, Peter does come off like a flake, but her being presumptive about him certainly makes her come off as being sanctimonious. Another instance of this occurred in an earlier issue when Peter, not wanting to come between Harry and Lily, asks Carlie out and she turns him down. While she calls him on only asking her out because Lily was unavailable, Carlie also goes on about how she's better than Lily because she's the one who has been acting like a better daughter to Lily's dad while Lily "is always gone partying every night." (She didn't know that Lily was Menace mind you) and therefore should be, in her view, more worthy of Peter's affections.

Re: Mary Sue.

No, not really. Seeing as how facts like "his uncle was murdered" are rather personal in nature, it's no surprise at all that Harry would rather have Peter tell her then tell her himself. And maybe Harry's just not that close to Carlie - I didn't read the issues in question, so I wouldn't know.

And from what it sounds, it's not "you wouldn't know" that Peter's taken to heart, it's "I've been through a gauntlet, and I made it and got stronger from it."

Re: Mary Sue.

That may very well be. Although, Harry was dating Lily Hollister, who also was Carlie's best friend--so close that Lily was "like family" to Carlie, a fact that was mentioned numerous times. So it definitely appeared that Harry and Carlie could have been close. In fact, during the time in which Spidey was with the FF in the Macroverse in which two months passed on Earth, Carlie was the one who helped Harry get into Alcoholics Anonymous when he fell off the wagon after Lily was revealed as Menace. And the scenes between them made it clear that Harry was perhaps falling in love with Carlie himself due to his gratitude for her helping him recover--a development which, given the three times a month format, the writers didn't properly follow up.