I assumed they were being presented as progressives because this is a conservative-oriented blog and "low information voters" is a very prevalent GOP talking point (especially since the last election).

F&F has nothing to do with the Bush era program, itself a dumb idea. No guns went over the boarder, cartels did not get any, no thousdans of Mexican and one or two Americans were not killed by them, and nobody used those guns to gin up the lie about some huge percentage of cartel weapons coming from America.

Jim M. and rbb, you slime spreading reprobates are at it again. If the facts show the left in a bad light then you just slime the republicans. The vile corruption of the democrats and the self-serving statist republicans continue their combine efforts to destroy this once great nation. But you just keep spreading your shit around. It gains nothing, and blinds you to the truly evil nature of your president and his party.

Oh, and statist is another popular conservative buzzword now too. You guys are so cute when you get a new word or phrase to bandy about. Reminds me of when kids in our middle school all started saying "gross".

I would bet every one of these moron kids are self identifying as Democrats.

100% of them.

"Obama, hope and change dude."

That's all they know.

Low information voters is just what they are. Period. And the State is what they depend on, without welfare they would all die. These kids will all grow up to sponge off entitlements because without them the food chain would select them out.

Wide Receiver was ATF, not part of the Bush WH or DOJ. It was to interdict the guns BEFORE they got into Mexico (which mostly worked), put RFID trackers into weapons (which failed), and had aerial surveillance (which was thwarted). It ran out of Tucson and only 450 or so guns got into Mexico. It was shut down in less than a year.

F&F used no tracking or surveillance, rather the DOJ ran interference for the cartels against local law enforcement. Fed agents were not PERMITTED to interdict the weapons. F&F purposely allowed over 2000 weapons to get to the Sinaloa cartel, and operating out of 10 cities including Houston, Dallas, Charlotte, Indiana, Tampa allowed over 12,000 guns to get into the hands of the cartels.

Why do this? To put some hardware behind the long debunked lie that most cartel guns come from America, and use that as a pretext to harden gun control. Most of those guns come from the old revolutionary and communist wars in the south, or are stolen by Mexican military from arsenals.

So, you do have one thing right, rbb, I have NOT read about Wide Reviver.

Perhaps rbb is talking about Operation Wide Receiver- the one where less than 500 guns were sold, and those guns did not lead to the death of Brian Terry or over 300 Mexican nationals.

As I said before in a previous post, this is blaming things on the previous administration and not taking ownership. Operation Fast & Furious was under Obama, not President Bush. (But of course, it's all Bush's fault- even though Operation Wide Receiver was shut down prior to the swearing in of Obama.)

Asking again, to a chorus of crickets- When will Democrats start to take ownership?

(edited from previous post to include the 300 Mexican Nationals killed.)

The attack line the Obama administration was going to use in 2009 to ban guns was that the guns from America were going to arm Mexican cartels.

Never mind they get hand grenades, full automatic belt fed machine guns, and rockets. Clearly not available in your average American gun store. But whatever.

Anyway, the problem was American guns were NOT finding their way into the hands of Mexican cartels in significant numbers to alarm anyone.

SO Eric holder made American gun stores sell Cartel members guns. That simple. The intent was to then sell those gun stores out, and then exclaim "Look, American gun stores sell guns to terrorists! We'd better ban transfer!"

Well, too bad the gun store owners were a little too slick, and kept records and blew the whistle.

When they tracked where those guns went, they found out they had killed US law enforcement and it set back Obama's gun control effort by about four years.

rbb, want to try to defend your obsequious obama butt-kissing statements now that light has been shed on them and shown the lies? No? How about more distracting non sequitur spew about Rethuglicans, tea baggers, bu$hitler, rove, cheney? C'mon, son, keep us entertained.