At 10/28/2012 12:37:44 PM, pozessed wrote:I just curious if God has a religion.

Does God have to believe in himself to exist?

I don't know exactly how to express what I'm trying to say. Don't take it to seriously though, it's just one of my random thoughts.

Well.......If you define existence as the quality of being in reality, then the real question is 'does god have the ability to discern the truth or non truth of that which he percieves'.

If you define existence as the quality of being, whether in a computer, a mind, or a vat, then cogito ergo sum will suffice.

"Every kid starts out as a natural-born scientist, and then we beat it out of them. A few trickle through the system with their wonder and enthusiasm for science intact." - Carl Sagan

This is the response of the defenders of Sparta to the Commander of the Roman Army: "If you are a god, you will not hurt those who have never injured you. If you are a man, advance - you will find men equal to yourself. And women.

At 10/28/2012 12:37:44 PM, pozessed wrote:I just curious if God has a religion.

That's a question which I really don't have an answer for, and I don't think anyone can with certainty say if God has a religion or not. This is really just something which we humans, with our limited knowledge, cannot know. I, of course, don't believe that God has a religion, since it just seems absurd to me that God would have a religion - although I cannot say with certainty that I know that God doesn't have a religion.

Does God have to believe in himself to exist?

Of course not; nobody have to believe in themselves in order exist. You exist whether you believe in yourself or not. And as somebody else said here, it's a little hard to believe you don't exist. In fact, I would say impossible.

I don't know exactly how to express what I'm trying to say. Don't take it to seriously though, it's just one of my random thoughts.

I do get some random thoughts like these sometimes too. By using rationality however, I quickly dismiss them as being untrue and unreasonable. I think everyone, once in a while, get some random thoughts in regards to one or another thing.

Of course not; nobody have to believe in themselves in order exist. You exist whether you believe in yourself or not. And as somebody else said here, it's a little hard to believe you don't exist. In fact, I would say impossible.

P.1 In order to know something you have to believe it.P.2 God is omniscient.P.3 Since God knows everything, he has belief towards everything.P.4 Whatever God believes in is true.P.5 If God doesn't believe he exists he believes he does not exist.Conclusion: If God believe he does not exist, he can't exist.

"Music is a zen-like ecstatic state where you become the new man of the future, the Nietzschean merger of Apollo and Dionysus." Ray Manzarek (The Doors)

Of course not; nobody have to believe in themselves in order exist. You exist whether you believe in yourself or not. And as somebody else said here, it's a little hard to believe you don't exist. In fact, I would say impossible.

P.1 In order to know something you have to believe it.P.2 God is omniscient.P.3 Since God knows everything, he has belief towards everything.P.4 Whatever God believes in is true.

P.5 If God doesn't believe he exists he believes he does not exist.

Conclusion: If God believe he does not exist, he can't exist.

In order to believe something, you have to first exist. Thus, if God believe He does not exist, then He does in fact exist. You cannot believe something and not exist at the same time. It's self-contradictory.

Of course not; nobody have to believe in themselves in order exist. You exist whether you believe in yourself or not. And as somebody else said here, it's a little hard to believe you don't exist. In fact, I would say impossible.

P.1 In order to know something you have to believe it.P.2 God is omniscient.P.3 Since God knows everything, he has belief towards everything.P.4 Whatever God believes in is true.

P.5 If God doesn't believe he exists he believes he does not exist.

Conclusion: If God believe he does not exist, he can't exist.

In order to believe something, you have to first exist. Thus, if God believe He does not exist, then He does in fact exist. You cannot believe something and not exist at the same time. It's self-contradictory.

We're both right. God by definition has to believe what is true so if he believes x, x is true. If he believes he does not exist, than it is true. However you're also correct that only things that exist can have belief. Ergo, it's a stupid question in the first place.

"Music is a zen-like ecstatic state where you become the new man of the future, the Nietzschean merger of Apollo and Dionysus." Ray Manzarek (The Doors)

Of course not; nobody have to believe in themselves in order exist. You exist whether you believe in yourself or not. And as somebody else said here, it's a little hard to believe you don't exist. In fact, I would say impossible.

P.1 In order to know something you have to believe it.P.2 God is omniscient.P.3 Since God knows everything, he has belief towards everything.P.4 Whatever God believes in is true.

P.5 If God doesn't believe he exists he believes he does not exist.

Conclusion: If God believe he does not exist, he can't exist.

In order to believe something, you have to first exist. Thus, if God believe He does not exist, then He does in fact exist. You cannot believe something and not exist at the same time. It's self-contradictory.

We're both right. God by definition has to believe what is true so if he believes x, x is true. If he believes he does not exist, than it is true. However you're also correct that only things that exist can have belief. Ergo, it's a stupid question in the first place.

I thought it was an argument. Oh well, it's pretty stupid anyways. I'm glad to hear that we both agree to that.

God cannot have a religion. The term religion is used as a distinguishing belief, not an absolute one. Islam would not be a religion if all people had objective beliefs, for example. God has no wrong beliefs, nor can His mind doubt one thing for another. He has an absolute knowledge.

At 10/29/2012 2:32:02 PM, Mirza wrote:God cannot have a religion. The term religion is used as a distinguishing belief, not an absolute one. Islam would not be a religion if all people had objective beliefs, for example. God has no wrong beliefs, nor can His mind doubt one thing for another. He has an absolute knowledge.

This is really well-put.

Genesis I. And God created man to his own image: to the image of God he created him: male and female he created them.

At 10/29/2012 2:32:02 PM, Mirza wrote:God cannot have a religion. The term religion is used as a distinguishing belief, not an absolute one. Islam would not be a religion if all people had objective beliefs, for example. God has no wrong beliefs, nor can His mind doubt one thing for another. He has an absolute knowledge.