REAL-TIME CLOSED CAPTIONING PROVIDED BY U.S. CAPTIONING COMPANY. HE WON THE ELECTION FOR MAYOR AND NOW WHAT. THIS MORNING, A CONVERSATION WITH MAYOR-ELECT MIKE DUGGAN. ONE MAN'S ART IS ANOTHER MAN'S ARSON. WHAT DOES A FIRE AT THE HEIDELBURG PROJECT MEAN FOR THE ART AND ARTIST. TODAY IS SUNDAY, NOVEMBER 17TH, 2013, WELCOME TO FLASH POINT. WE'RE A COUPLE WEEKS PAST ELECTION DAY AND THE PLAYING FIELD HASN'T CHANGED THAT MUCH YES, THE BELLE ISLE DEAL WENT THROUGH AND MUCH TO THE CHAGRIN OF THOSE WHO THINK THAT 30 YEARS IS TOO LONG. AND THE FIRST UNION CUT A DEAL WITH EMERGENCY MANAGER KEVYN O ORR. WE'RE WAITING FOR THE JUDGE'S RULING ON BANKRUPTCY ELIGIBILITY AND THE CITY REMAINS GUIDED BY ORR AND I GUESS BY GOVERNOR SNYDER. AND SOME PEOPLE ARE FILLED WITH ANTICIPATION OVER THE UPCOMING SWEARING IN AS MIKE DUGGAN AS THE MAYOR. AND HIS SUPPORTERS LIKE TO TURN HIM INTO A TURN AROUND EXPERT, BUT UNLESS THERE'S HARRY POTTER'S WAND, WHAT CAN HE DO? THEY'LL BE A SENSE THEY'VE TRUSTED HIM MORE THAN MAYOR BING AND MORE BUTTONS TO PUSH AND THERE'S A FORMER STATE REP AND FORMER MAYORAL CANDIDATE HERSELF. LISA HOWE WHO WILL CREATE THE LAUNCH OF THE DUGGAN ERA. WHAT CAN WE EXPECT COME JANUARY? WE'LL TALK WITH MIKE DUGGAN ABOUT PRIORITIES AND GETTING THE LATITUDE TO TACKLE THE PROBLEMS COMING IN THE NEW YEAR. AND THE LATEST ARSON AT THE HEIDELBURG PROJECT. TYREE GUYTON'S TWO BLOCK INSTALLATION IS POLARIZING. WHAT IS HAPPENING? DETROIT MAYHEM OR DEEPER THAN THAT? IS HE READY TO THROW IN THE TOWEL? HE'S TELLING YOU NOT BY A LONG SHOT ON FLASH POINT. ? WELL, IT'S FAIRLY UNPRECEDENTED TO BE COMPLETELY KICKED OFF THE BALLOT AND SURVIVING A WRITE-IN CAMPAIGN AND MANAGING TO WIN AN ELECTION. THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED TO MY GUEST, MAYOR-ELECT OF THE CITY OF DETROIT, MIKE DUGGAN. CONGRATULATIONS ON THE WIN. I'M GONE FROM KICKED OFF AND NOW ELECTED AND I'M GOING TO FIND OUT IF I'M ALLOWED TO DO THE JOB. THERE WERE A FEW DAYS WHERE AFTER YOU WERE KICKED OFF, YOU SAID FORGET IT, I'M NOT SURE YOU WOULD HAVE THOUGHT YOU'D BE SITTER HERE. LET'S START WITH THE IDEA, WE'RE WATCHING AN AWFUL LOT OF MONEY BEING PAID TO CONSULTANT FIRMS AND LEGAL TIRMS FIRMS AND I'M HAVING TROUBLE HOW THEY'RE ALLOWED TO BE MADE WHOLE IN THE BANKRUPTCY PROCESS GIVEN THEY KNOW THE CITY HAS NO MONEY, BUT WE'RE FINDING OUT THAT THE STATE IS SAYING EVEN THOUGH THE CITY HAS NOW SPENT ALMOST $100 MILLION IN THESE EFFORTS TO RESTRUCTURE CITY GOVERNMENT, THE STATE CAME IN AND SAID, WAIT A MINUTE, OUR PORTION OF THIS IS CAPPED AT $5 MILLION WHICH MEANS EVEN TOUGHER, I SUPPOSE, TO TRY AND MAKE THE PENSIONERS WHOLE. WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT? AND I NEED TO TALK A COUNCIL PRESIDENT JENKINS BECAUSE THE $5 BILLION CAP IN THAT DECISION IS NEWS TO ME AND I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO TALK TO COUNCIL MEMBERS TO GET THE HISTORY ON THIS AND FIND OUT WHAT WAS PROMISED AND IN WHAT FORM THAT PROMISE MIGHT EXIST. IT SEEMS TO BE NEWS TO COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR AS WELL. EVERYBODY KEEPS TELLING ME THIS IS HOW BANKRUPTCY WORKED. THE LAWYERS ARE GOING TO GET PAID AND THE CONSULTANTS PAID, I DON'T FIND THAT A SATISFYING ANSWER. YOU'VE GOT A BUNCH OF PEOPLE WHO GOT INTO RELATIONSHIP, FINANCIAL DEALS WITH THE CITY OF DETROIT IN GOOD FAITH BELIEVING THEY WOULD BE MADE WHOLE. THE LAWYERS AND THE CONSULTANTS WHO HAVE COME IN SINCE THEN, THEY KNOW THE CITY HAS NO MONEY AND YET, THE SYSTEM SEEMS TO BE BUILT IN A WAY THAT THE LAWYERS, I'M STARTING TO UNDERSTAND WHY SHAKESPEARE WROTE KILL ALL THE LAWYERS. AND NOT ONLY THAT, YOU'VE GOT 19 DIFFERENT CONSULTANTS DOING A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS AND I THINK ONE OF THE POINTS THAT MAYOR BING MADE THAT I FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT, WE NEED TO MOVE AS FAST AS WE CAN AND START TO PUT THE PERMANENT TEAM IN PLACE THAT'S GOING TO RUN THE HR DEPARTMENT SHALL THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, THE I.T. DEPARTMENT AP I'M HOPEFUL I'LL HAVE THE AUTHORITY IN JANUARY TO START TO BRING IN THE RIGHT PEOPLE TO THE RIGHT JOB AND PHASE DOWN WHAT WE'RE PAYING CONSULTANTS AND BUILD UP THE LONG-TERM ADMINISTRATION. YOU'VE MET WITH KEVYN ORR THIS PAST WEEK. TELL US WHAT YOU CAN ABOUT HOW THAT MEETING WENT. YOU KNOW, IT'S LONG AND COMPLICATED. AND YOU KNOW THE HISTORY THAT HE'S HAD WITH MAYOR BING. THE EMERGENCY MANAGER HAS A BANKRUPTCY LITIGATION THAT HE IS VERY MUCH FOCUSED ON MAKING SURE COMES OUT THE WAY HE WANTS. THERE IS A LOT OF INTERRELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE OPERATION OF THE CITY AND THE WAY THAT CASE GOES AND SO THE QUESTION IS, CAN WE WORK SOMETHING OUT WHERE HE IS SATISFIED THAT I WON'T DO ANYTHING TO JEOPARDIZE WHAT HE HAS GOING IN COURT? ON THE OTHER HAND, I WANT THE AUTHORITY TO RUN THE CITY SERVICES. PEOPLE ELECTED ME TO GET THE VIOLENCE DOWN AND THE STREET LIGHTS ON AND THE ABANDONED BUILDINGS DEBT WITH AND WE'RE HAVING, I THINK, VERY CONSTRUCTIVE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHETHER WE COULD BUILD A PARTNERSHIP WHERE I CAN RUN THE OPERATIONS AND NOT DO ANYTHING TO GET IN THE WAY OF WHAT HE'S DOING ON THE COURT SIDE AND WE'LL KNOW IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS WHETHER WE CAN WORK IT OUT OR NOT. THERE'S A CYNICAL TAKE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU LISTENED TO MILDRED GHATTAS' TAKE, THE FIX IS IN AND YOU'LL BE ASSUMING POWER BEFORE YOU'RE EVER SWORN IN IN A WAY. I CAN ASSURE YOU NOTHING WILL HAPPEN BEFORE JANUARY 1ST AND I'M TRYING TO BUILD A TEAM TO BE IN PLACE JANUARY 1ST, BUT I DON'T HAVE AN AGREEMENT YET THAT ON JANUARY 1ST I'LL HAVE ANY OPERATIONAL CONTROL AND SO YOU'RE IN AN ODD SITUATION. I CAN'T BEGIN TO OFFER PEOPLE CABINET POSITIONS BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO FILL A CABINET. AND THIS CONVERSATION I HAD, AGAIN, WITH MR. ORR THIS WEEK, I THINK HE UNDERSTANDS THE URGENCY OF IT AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL REACH A CONSTRUCTIVE CONCLUSION IN THE NEXT WEEK OR TWO. HOW HARD IS IT TO GET THE RIGHT PEOPLE, THEY'RE COMING IN NOT KNOWING HOW LONG THEY MIGHT BE AROUND, WHAT KIND OF POWER THEY'LL REALLY HAVE. IF I AM GIVEN THE OPERATION AND CONTROL OF THE CITY, PEOPLE WANT TO COME AND HELP TURN THE CITY AROUND. THERE'S LOTS OF TALENT IN IN CITY WILLING TO STEP FORWARD AND I'M EXCITED ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY. LET'S TALK ABOUT THE BELLE ISLE SITUATION. YOU WEREN'T THRILLED ABOUT THAT DEAL TO BEGIN WITH AND YOU HAD A FEELING IT WAS GOING TO GO THE WAY IT DID THE PAST WEEK. IT'S A 30-YEAR LEASE. IS THAT HOW IS IT OR SOMETHING THERE SOMETHING-- I TALKED TO THE GOVERNOR AND EMERGENCY MANAGER AND TOLD THEM MY PROBLEM WITH THE LEASE. I THINK THERE'S A BETTER WAY TO DO IT THAT WORKS BETTER FOR BOTH PARTIES. THEY WERE UP AGAINST A STATUTORY TIME DEADLINE THEY HAD TO RUN THE VOTE THIS WEEK, BUT THEY'VE INDICATED TO ME IF I CAN COME UP WITH BETTER ALTERNATIVES THAT WORK FOR EVERYBODY, THEY'LL LISTEN AND I EXPECT TO PROPOSE ALTERNATIVES OVER THE NEXT MONTH. I THINK IF I HAD 30 MORE DAYS I COULD HAVE CONVINCED THEM TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, BUT WE RAN OUT OF TIME. SINCE AMONG THOSE WHO HATE THE DEAL ON THE COUNCIL IS THAT THERE'S REALLY NOTHING IN WRITING THAT COMMITS THE STATE TO TRUE FINANCIAL SUPPORT. THEY'RE-- THERE'S NO REAL COMMITMENT BUILT INTO IT. THAT'S MY ISSUE IS THAT WHILE THE GOVERNOR ANNOUNCED THERE WOULD BE 10 TO 20 MILLION SPENT ON BELLE ISLE IN THE FIRST THREE YEARS, THE ACTUAL CONTRACT SAYS THE GOVERNOR WILL MAKE HIS BEST EFFORTS TO MAKE APPROPRIATIONS. SO YOU'VE GOT THE CHAIR OF THE SENATE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE SAYING HE'S NOT SUPPORTING THE APPROPRIATION. THAT'S CONCERNING, YOU'VE LEASED THE ISLAND TO THE STATE FOR 30 YEARS AND THE GUY ON THE SENATE SIDE IN CHARGE OF APPROPRIATIONS SAYS, WELL, WAIT A MINUTE. YEAH. SO THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT IT WAS MOVING DOWN THE TRACK AND THEY WERE UP AGAINST A DEADLINE, BUT I'M STILL CAUTIOUSLY OPTIMISTIC I CAN CONVINCE THE GOVERNOR AND MR. ORR TO COME UP WITH AN AGREEMENT THAT WORKS FOR EVERYBODY. WELL, I TALKED ABOUT YOU MEETING WITH KEVIN ORR. YOU'VE ALSO BEEN TALKING WITH LEADERSHIP IN LANSING AND I PRESUME THE GOVERNOR AS WELL. HOW HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS GONE? PEOPLE HAVE BEEN GREAT AND I STARTED, OF COURSE, WITH THE DETROIT DELEGATION AND I THINK THE HISTORY OF FIGHTING BETWEEN THE MAYOR AND THE DETROIT DELEGATION HAS DONE US ENORMOUS DAMAGE IN LANSING. IT'S HARD TO BE RESPECTED BY THE OUT-STATE LEGISLATORS WHEN YOU'RE FIGHTING WITH EACH OTHER. I THINK THERE'S A UNANIMOUS FEELING AND I COMMITTED THAT I COME BACK IN JANUARY WITH THE CITY COUNCIL LEADERSHIP FOR THE NEXT MEETING. AND THEN I SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS AROUND THE STATE, BUT IN THE NINE YEARS I WAS AT THE DETROIT MEDICAL CENTER, THE STATE LEGISLATURE WAS VERY SUPPORTIVE OF D.M.C.'S MISSION. I HAVE GOOD RELATIONSHIPS THERE. HAD TO. RIGHT, D.M.C. SEES ALMOST ONE OUT OF FOUR OF ALMOST ALL MEDICAID PATIENTS IN MICHIGAN AND I WAS SAYING I'M GOING TO HAVE THE SAME POSITIVE RELATIONSHIP THAT I'VE HAD FOR THE LAST NINE YEARS AND THAT WAS WELL-RECEIVED. WHEN WE COME BACK, KYM WORTHY HAD SOME VERY WORRISOME COMMENTS AND YOU KNOW THAT OFFICE VERY WELL, THE WAYNE COUNTY PROSECUTOR. WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE WELCOME BACK TO FLASH POINT. TALKING WITH MAYOR-ELECT MIKE DUGGAN. KYM WORTHY, WAYNE COUNTY PROSECUTOR THIS WEEK LAID OUT A LONG LIST OF THINGS THAT HER OFFICE IS NOT BEING ABLE TO DO, INCLUDING CHASING DOWN SOME 40 MURDER SUSPECTS THAT THEY'VE ACTUALLY IDENTIFIED, LOSING LOTS OF REALLY GOOD TALENT IN THE PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE. WE DON'T HAVE THE MANPOWER AND SHE NEEDS 12 MILLION MORE DOLLARS AND WAYNE COUNTY IS TELLING HER IT'S JUST NOT THERE. ALL OF THIS OF COURSE ENDS UP HAVING TO DO WITH DETROIT'S PUBLIC SAFETY PROBLEM IN LARGE MEASURE AS WELL. WHAT DID YOU THINK WHEN YOU HEARD HER SAY IT ALL. SHE'S RIGHT. I DON'T KNOW WHETHER 12 MILLION IS THE RIGHT NUMBER, BUT NO DOUBT THAT THAT PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE IS SIGNIFICANTLY UNDERFUNDED AND EVERYBODY IN WAYNE COUNTY IS LESS SAFE AS A RESULT. AND IT'S BEEN TROUBLING AND IT WAS TROUBLING WHEN HER FUNDING GOT TURNED DOWN BEFORE AND AT SOME POINT, THE GOVERNOR IS GOING TO NEED TO DEAL WITH THIS BECAUSE THE WHOLE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM WORKS TOGETHER. THE DETROIT POLICE ARRESTS SOMEBODY AND LET OUT OF JAIL BECAUSE OF A LACK OF SPACE THEY'RE BACK ON THE STREET. THE PROSECUTOR DOESN'T HAVE THE RESOURCE TO PROSECUTOR PROPERLY, THEY'RE BACK ON THE STREET. IF YOU PLACE THEM ON PROBATION AND THE PROBATION OFFICER DOESN'T FOLLOW UP. THEY'RE BACK UNSUPERVISED. THE WHOLE SYSTEM HAS TO WORK TOGETHER AND I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT MANY' GOING TO TRY TO BRING. SHERIFF NAPOLEON TALKED ABOUT THIS A LOT DURING THE CAMPAIGN AND CRITICIZED FOR GOING OVER BUDGET. HIS CHOICE IS TO LET THE BAD GUYS OUT OF JAIL. THE MONEY AND-- THEY UNDERSTAND KYM WORTHY, WE UNDERSTAND, BUT THE MONEY IS NOT THERE. YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS THIS PAST WEEK AND WE RAN INTO EACH OTHER AT AN EVENT. THE HUGE FINANCIAL PROBLEMS IN WAYNE COUNTY RIGHT NOW MEAN FOR THE CITY OF DETROIT? THIS IS WHERE THEY MEAN, THE PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE PRIMARILY IS THE BIGGEST IMPACT ON THE CITY OF DETROIT. AT SOME POINT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET THE GOVERNOR TO LOOK AT THE LAW ENFORCEMENT SYSTEM OVERALL. HOW FAST DOES THE COURT MOVE CASES? ALL OF THESE PIECES FIT TOGETHER, BUT NOTHING TROUBLES ME MORE. WHEN I WAS AT THE PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE, WE HAD A LOT OF TARGETED PROSECUTOR RESOURCES THAT DROVE DOWN VIOLENCE BEING PAIRED WITH POLICE. AND PROSECUTOR WORTHY DOESN'T HAVE THAT OPTION TODAY. IF WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE THE DIRECTION OF PUBLIC SAFETY, THE PROSECUTOR HAS TO BE RESOURCED AS A FULL PARTNER. THERE'S A DEEP INTO THE WOODS PROBLEM, IT SEEMS TO MANY WHO FOLLOW THE CRIME PROBLEMS IN DETROIT. I DON'T THINK A LOT OF CRIMES ARE COMMITTED BECAUSE SOMEBODY DOESN'T FEAR RETRIBUTION OR GETTING CAUGHT. THERE'S THIS MENACE THAT IS BUILT INTO THE SYSTEM. THERE ARE TOO MANY YOUNG MEN WHO DON'T SEE HOPE DOWN THE LINE AND MANY WHO DON'T EXPECT TO LIVE UNTIL THEY'RE 25 ANYWAY. WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THE HOPELESSNESS THAT SEEMS TO BE DEEP INSIDE THE CRIME PROBLEM? THERE'S NO DOUBT WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT JOBS AND OPPORTUNITY. I DON'T BUY THAT AS AN EXCUSE. NEW YORK IN THE EARLY '90S HAD MORE THAN 2000 MURDERS AND THE MURDER CAPITAL OF THE WORLD. TODAY THEY HAVE 400. IT'S POSSIBLE TO HAVE A LAW ENFORCEMENT STRATEGY THAT DRIVES DOWN VIOLENCE. THEY'VE DONE IT IN BOSTON. DONE IT IN RICHMOND, AND THEY'VE DONE IT IN L.A. AND SO I DON'T ACCEPT THE PREMISE YOU CAN'T GET PEOPLE TO CHANGE CRIMINAL CHOICES, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT. AND AS FAR AS HAVING OPPORTUNITIES AND I'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS DURING THE CAMPAIGN, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF VACANT STORE FRONTS IN THIS TOWN AND I WANT TO TAKE THEM AWAY FROM THE OWNERS WHO ABANDONED THEM AND MAKE THEM AVAILABLE FOR ENTREPRENEURS BECAUSE THE ECONOMY OF THE CITY NOT GOING TO COME BACK WITH AUTO PLANTS WITH 5,000. IT'S GOING TO BE ENTREPRENEURS WHO START UP AND LOTS OF SMALL BUSINESS PEOPLE FEED OFF EACH OTHER AND I'VE GOT VERY SPECIFIC PLANS TO BUILD THAT. A LOT OF THE PLANS, UNFORTUNATELY, INVOLVE MONEY AT A TIME WHEN THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE A LOT. WE SAW THE EFFORT BEGIN IN EARNEST LAST WEEK TO GET THE STREET LIGHTS BACK ON. WHAT'S THE LIKELIHOOD THAT WE'RE REALLY GOING TO PUT A DENT IN THAT PROBLEM, WHICH IS PART OF THE SAFETY PROBLEM AS WELL? I THINK THE STREET LIGHTS HAVE BEEN MOVING FAR TOO SLOWLY. IT TOOK WAY TOO LONG FOR THE DEMONSTRATION AND I THINK THE TIMING HAS STAGED OVER TOO MUCH TIME AND WE NEED TO FIND A WAY TO SPEED UP THE PROCESS AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT I HOPE I HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DEAL WITH. A WEEK AGO TODAY, I BELIEVE YOUR INTERVIEW WITH THE FREE PRESS TALKED ABOUT, REALLY, YOU'VE GOT IT BOILED DOWN TO FIVE THINGS YOU REALLY FEEL LIKE YOU NEED HIT THE GROUND RUNNING FROM THE GET-GO. I'VE SAID THAT THE POLICE RESPONSE TIME HAS TO COME DOWN. STREET LIGHTS HAVE TO START TO GET FIXED AND WE NEED TO DEAL WITH THE ABANDONED HOUSES, NOT JUST KNOCKING THEM DOWN ALL THE TIME, BUT TAKING THEM AND GETTING THEM OCCUPIED AND THOSE ARE THE AREAS THAT I'M GOING TO START WITH. NOW, CREATING SOME ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES IN THE STORE FRONTS AND GETTING THE BUSES AROUND ON TIME WOULD CERTAINLY IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF LIFE, BUT WE'VE GOT TO GET THE POLICE RESPONSE TIME DOWN. LASTLY, ANY DOUBT IN YOUR MIND THAT JUDGE RHODES IS GOING TO SAY THAT DETROIT IS ELIGIBLE FOR BANKRUPTCY? I'M NOT IN THE PREDICTION BUSINESS, I'LL WATCH ALONG WITH YOU. IT'S ALMOST UNMANAGEABLE TO THINK IF HE SAYS THAT IT'S NOT. I MEAN, WHERE IN THE WORLD -- WE WOULD BE NECK DEEP IN LAWSUITS IN 24 HOURS THEN, WOULDN'T WE? YOU KNOW, IF I END UP WORKING ON A CONSTRUCTIVE MANAGER, AND DEAL WITH THE OPERATIONS OF THE CITY AND I'M NOT GOING TO START TO GET INJECTED INTO THE LITIGATION. A LITTLE MORE THAN A MONTH AGO BEFORE YOUR INAUGURATION. I KNOW WE'LL TALK BEFORE THAT. THANKS FOR HAVING ME, DEVIN. WELCOME BACK. THERE ARE MANY WHO BELIEVE THAT ART AND ARTISTS CAN BE A BIG PART OF THE RENAISSANCE OF DETROIT. ONE ARTIST WHO'S KIND OF BEEN THERE ALL ALONG IS TYREE GUYTON WHO CREATED THE HEIDELBURG PROJECT. IT'S DRAWN FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD AND AT LEAST ONE DETRACTOR WHO IS DOING HIS OR HER VOTING WITH A MATCH. LET'S TALK ABOUT IT, AND THE DIRECTOR, YOU TWO ARE PARTNERS NOT ONLY IN ART, BUT IN LIFE AS WELL. I'M GLAD YOU'RE HERE. THANK YOU. TYREE YOU DON'T DO A LOT OF THESE INTERVIEWS, I'M TICKLED YOU'VE BEEN HERE. YOU'VE HAD FIVE FIRES AT THE THING THAT'S BEEN YOUR LIFE'S WORK. YES. WHERE IS YOUR FRUSTRATION LEVEL ON THAT? AS I SIT HERE TODAY I WOULD HAVE TO SAY THAT I'M NOT FRUSTRATED BECAUSE I SEE SOMETHING GREAT. I SEE SOMETHING GREAT COMING OUT OF THIS HERE. I THINK THAT IN LIFE, LIFE HAS A WAY OF SHAKING YOU UP AND I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO THE FACT I WAS LIVING IN SWITZERLAND LAST YEAR AND DREAMT THAT THAT HOUSE HAD A FIRE. HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THAT. WOW. WELL, YOU'VE HAD FIVE THOUGH AND YOU'VE HAD AN INTERESTING FRUSTRATION WITH THE WAY THAT THIS HAS BEEN, I GUESS, DEALT WITH, YOU'D HAVE TO SAY, BY THE INVESTIGATORS. YOU BOTH KNOW APPARENTLY WHO SET THE FIRE? YEAH, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, EVEN THE COMMUNITY, THE COMMUNITY TALKS AND IT'S NO SECRET, YOU KNOW. WE KNOW AT LEAST I WOULD JUST BE FRANK AND SAY WE KNOW WHO SET THE FIRST TWO FIRES. WE HATE TO THINK THAT HE'S IGNITED A FIRE IN SOMEBODY ELSE NOW. IT CAN BE CONTAGIOUS. IT CAN BE CONTAGIOUS WHEN PEOPLE SEE THE KIND OF ATTENTION THAT IT BRINGS, BUT WHAT WE'RE HOPING IS THAT ACTUALLY WE WANT TO TALK TO THE YOUNG MAN. YOU KNOW? ABSOLUTELY. AND WE WANT TO HELP HIM TO UNDERSTAND THAT ONCE AGAIN, THE WORK THAT WE'RE DOING HERE IS SO MUCH BIGGER THAN HEIDELBURG STREET AND I SAID IT IN THE STATEMENT, WE'RE NOT ABOUT PRESERVING THINGS ABOUT AS MUCH AS PRESERVING THE HUMAN SPIRIT. WE SEE THAT HE HAS ISSUES AND WE HAD HE A LIKE TO TALK TO HIM. WE BELIEVE WE CAN HELP. BEFORE WE GET INTO WHAT HEIDELBURG IS ABOUT AND IT'S BIGGER THAN WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. LET ME DISPENSE WITH THE LAW AND ORDER PART OF THIS. YOU WENT TO THE POLICE AND INVESTIGATORS AND YOU WERE TOLD WHAT? I MEAN, THIS IS, I THINK, A SIGN OF DETROIT'S CRIME PROBLEM WHAT YOU WERE TOLD. YES, ABSOLUTELY. THERE'S A BREAKDOWN IN THE SYSTEM AND IT'S BEEN THAT WAY FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. THERE'S A BREAKDOWN, BUT I WAS TOLD BY FIREFIGHTERS OR FIRE INVESTIGATORS THAT, THEY-- I SAID WHERE IS THIS GOING TO GO? THEY SAID NOWHERE. BECAUSE NO ONE WAS KILLED? THAT PLAYS A PART IN IT. WHAT I GOT FROM THAT IS THAT THIS AREA IS NOT IMPORTANT, BUT LET'S GO DEEPER THAN THAT, THE PEOPLE ARE NOT IMPORTANT. THAT'S WHY I STARTED THE PROJECT MANY YEARS AGO. AND IN FACT, THAT'S THE CIRCLE OF THIS. YES. HEIDELBURG WAS STARTED AS A COMMENT ON THE BAD THINGS HAPPENING IN NEIGHBORHOODS, ON THE STREETS, AS A REACTION TO THAT AND NOW IT'S CAUGHT UP IN A WAY IN IT ITSELF. HEIDELBURG IS MUCH BIGGER THAN WHAT PEOPLE SEE. IT'S -- YOU GUYS PUT TOGETHER ALL KINDS OF PROGRAMS FOR YOUNG ARTISTS, DEVELOPING YOUNG MINDS. I MEAN, THIS IS MORE THAN WHAT PEOPLE SEE WHEN THEY DRIVE BY? THAT'S RIGHT, THERE'S A NAME FOR OUR WORK NOW AS A RESULT OF WHAT TYREE STARTED SEVEN YEARS AGO, THEY CALL IT CREATIVE PLACE MAKING AND YOU'VE GOT FOUNDATIONS, KRESGE FOUNDATIONS, MAJOR FOUNDATIONS AROUND THE WORLD ARE BUILDING INFRASTRUCTURE AROUND THE WORK THAT TYREE STARTED AND IT'S BEAUTIFUL IN A WAY BECAUSE YOU SEE ONCE AGAIN DETROIT BEING THAT CITY OF ORIGINALITY. WHERE ORIGINAL IDEAS ARE BORN. BUT AS WE LOOK AT WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW WITH THE WORK, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT SO MUCH ABOUT THE PHYSICAL THING AND WHAT HE'S DONE AS MUCH AS IT IS WHAT IT'S IGNITING IN OTHER CITIES AND PARTS OF THE WORLD. AND ALSO I WANT TO PIGGYBACK OFF WHAT SHE JUST SAID. THE HEIDELBURG PROJECT AFTER 27 YEARS IT'S A MEDICINE. A MED INIS? IT'S A MEDICINE FOR THE MIND, USING ART AS A WAY TO HELP PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF LEARNING TO THINK FOR THEMSELVES. YOU'RE ALSO WELL AWARE THAT NOT EVERYONE IS A FAN, THAT'S SORT OF HOW ART WORKS. BUT THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO SNIPE THAT A CELEBRATION OF BLIGHT DOES NOT AMOUNT TO ART. YES. WHAT DO YOU SAY TO PEOPLE WHO DON'T SEE IT AS ART. KNOWING I LIVE IN THE REAL WORLD, YOU NEED BOTH. YOU NEED THE PEOPLE WHO LIKE IT AND YOU NEED PEOPLE WHO DON'T. IT'S IMPORTANT TO FIND A BALANCE. AND EVEN FOLKS WHO DON'T LIKE IT OR FOLKS THAT I HAVE MET THAT SAID THIS IS NOTHING, BUT JUNK, THEY GET SOMETHING OUT OF IT, TOO. IT GIVES THEM A CHANCE TO BE VOCAL. IT GIVES THEM A CHANCE TO COME AND TO LOOK AND TO HAVE AN OPINION. WE LIVE IN A WORLD TODAY, AS I TRAVEL ALL OVER THE WORLD AND STUDY IN WRITINGS OF RUDOLPH STEINER, WHERE THIS PROJECT IS HELPING PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF BEING THEMSELVES AND SPEAK THEIR MIND WHETHER I LIKE IT OR NOT. AND ESPECIALLY HELPING YOUNG ARTISTS TO-BE, ARTISTS IN TRAINING FIND THEIR VOICE, IT GETS ABOUT-- OVER A QUARTER MILLION VISITORS EVERY YEAR. THAT'S TRUE. IT'S HARD TO CALL IT A FAILURE, I SUPPOSE, ON A LEVEL LIKE THAT. RIGHT. JANINE, DO YOU SEE -- I SUPPOSE GREAT ART DOESN'T HAVE A SHELF LIFE, BUT WHEN ART IS A REACTION TO SOMETHING OR A COMMENT ON SOMETHING, DOES THAT CHANGE THE WAY IT THAT AGES OR THE WAY THAT PEOPLE RELATE TO IT AS TIME GOES ON? WELL, YOU'RE LAUGHING, BUT-- MENTS I'M GOING TO LET TYREE ANSWER, TOO. WE COME AT IN DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES. HE'S THE ARTIST, AND USE HIS BRUSH. AND I TRY TO ADVANCE AND FURTHER OUR WORK. IT DOES HAVE, I THINK, A SHELF LIFE AND LIKE HEIDELBURG, IT HAS MANY LIVES. SO WHEN SOMETHING BREAKS DOWN, SOMETHING ELSE IS CREATED AND THIS IS WHAT I'VE LEARNED FROM TYREE. FROM MY PERSPECTIVE I WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S THE ECONOMIC IMPACT OF THIS PROJECT IF WE'VE GOT 275,000 PEOPLE COMING AND WE'VE GOT NUMBERS TO BACK THAT UP SO WE'RE CONTRIBUTING TO OUR ECONOMY'S ECONOMY ON TOP OF EVERYTHING ELSE. YOU THINK WE'D BE ABLE TO GET A LITTLE SUPPORT. AND MANY ARE INTERNATIONAL VISITORS ESPECIALLY WITH THE INTERNATIONAL MUSIC VIDEO. TYREE, I SAID I'D LET YOU ANSWER AND I'M GOING TO AS WE MOVE OUR CONVERSATION TO THE WEB. I CAN'T LET YOU GO THAT QUICKLY. WE'LL TELL YOU WHAT, WE'LL CONTINUE TYREE GUYTON'S THOUGHTS ON ARTS AND ESPECIALLY PROTECTING ART IN DETROIT NOT JUST HEIDELBURG, BUT THE DIA. WHAT IS DETROIT'S FUTURE. JOIN US ON CLICKONDETROIT.COM AS WE CONTINUE OUR CONVERSATION. MEET THE PRESS IS NEXT AND HOPE TO SEE YOU NEXT TIME ON FLASH

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