Claims of Russian Moon Bases

The claims look far fetched but they still need removing from the radar if they are false.

If you think rationally about these claims, they automatically disappear from anyone's radar. The
Soviet Space Program wasn't in a position to be building, operating and manning one Moon
base...Beter says 10!

They were struggling to successfully operate the Lunakhod rovers and Beter's putting them in the frame for operating bases and firing lasers at US
platforms?! The claim makes no sense.

So please explain why most US-cars with a V8 didn't have double camshaft, 4 valves per cylinder and several other features like multi point injection
or supercharger/turbo until the early nineties? The technology has been around since WW2. The Chevy small block didn't change from the mid 50s until
the early 90s.

The Russian space program is just like the US space program, a deliberate smokescreen.

i could believe 1 base is on the moon,not not 10 or by the russians,if anybody is going to put 1 on the moon i feel it would be the u.s or a joint
venture with someone.
covering wouldn't be a problem if it were under the surface,hard to put it above ground & stop others seeing it.

What would anyone be doing on the Moon except hiding from people on Earth.
Sure underground can't be detected. But there are plenty of hiding places on Earth
considering all the planes and unknowns and rockets and armaments we never see.
A secret base, even on the surface, seems to be no problem as the search for the Lunar
Landers turned out recently. So why not 10 perhaps a number approaching the number
of Landers. In any case, I would think activity on the moon could only be accomplished
by ships we are told we don't have.

They can't even get satellites into orbit today. 30+ attempts to get a satellite to Mars to take some pictures all failed.

Seriously? Then why is it every time the Shuttle docks at the ISS there are 2or 3 Russian ships already there?
here is a picture taken from the huttle that shows two Soyuz and one Progress Russian ship at ISS. The one approaching is Mission 9 from the ESA

Why do Pizza Hut, Radio Shack, Lego and Popular Science pay millions to advertise on Russian spacecraft?

Why does Robert Bigelow use Russian spaceports and ships to launch his private space station?

Why does Russia have an assembly line with hundreds of Soyuz rockets?

Russian Cargo Vehicle Progress M-09M (41) Launches to the ISS

Russia had the Almaz secret space platform in orbit for years while we never got MOL off the ground

They can't launch a satellite? Then why do space tourists pay 20 million for a ten day stay on ISS via Russian launches?

If Russia has no space program why is NASA contracting with Russia to hitch a ride when they retire the Shuttle?

NASA Extends Contract With Russia For Rides on the Soyuz

For those who are upset that NASA will be relying on (and paying) the Russian Federal Space Agency to ferry US astronauts to and from the
International Space Station after the space shuttle is retired, there’s now more to be in a tizzy about. NASA has signed a $335 million modification
to the current ISS contract, adding additional flights into 2014. The previous contract allowed for crew transportation, rescue and related services
until 2013. The new extension raises the price of a seat on the Soyuz to $55.8 million, from the $26.3 million per astronaut NASA is paying now, and
$51 million a seat for flights in 2011 and 2012.

I say anyone who thinks the Russians do not have a very active and capable space program are just playing ostrich

When NASA spent millions to make a pen that could write in space, the Russian simply took a pencil

and they still have two working shuttles stored
in Building 80, Area 112A Baikonur Cosmodrome One is 'Ptichka' and the other one is 'Burya'. They have been well kept and could easily be made space
ready

And they had those cool one man mini shuttles the 'Spiral'. Finally got some good photos of that one

I wouldn't count the Russian out of the picture... the whole Cold War was just a ruse to let both side arm up. They have always been our allies,
though friendly rivals

I once requested a file from a NASA historian... he wrote me back saying they had a poor copy and linked me to a Russian
website that had a better copy

...most US-cars with a V8 didn't have double camshaft, 4 valves per cylinder and several other features like multi point injection or
supercharger/turbo until the early nineties? The technology has been around since WW2. The Chevy small block didn't change from the mid 50s until the
early 90s.

To this...

The Russian space program is just like the US space program, a deliberate smokescreen.

The logic is the same as pointing out what sharp knives we had in the 19th Century and then claiming the lack of open-heart surgery is a
'smokescreen.'

Now as to Moon bases... It would be very hard to spot them as the Russian plan calls for them to be buried, so you wouldn't see much in the
photos...

But then we had Project Horizon (final draft 1958) to put a base on Farside by 1962. I now have three of the four documents in full (missing Vol 3,
the political ramifications if the public found out) but I know where I can get it if I go to Alabama

Zorgon, you know I respect you and class you as an ATS friend of some esteem. Your dedication to the game is above and beyond most
members.

The first image is an illustration and so is the second.

The Soyuz image is a stock image available at
NASA and doesn't show 'hundreds' but
eight stages.

They were constructed with an eye on the market of space exploration...an investment. One is always attached to the ISS in case of emergency and
another is always ready to launch for similar reasons. They've prepared for up to 14 launches a year.

None of which supports the notion that, in 1976, the Soviets had 10 bases on the Moon and were shooting down US satellites.

At least one Russian Soyuz spacecraft is always docked to the Space Station. In addition, there is usually a Progress supply vehicle docked and
sometimes a Space Shuttle as well. The Station is well supplied with docking ports for all three types of vehicles.

Up to three crewmembers can launch and return to Earth from the Station aboard a Soyuz TMA spacecraft. The vehicle lands on the flat steppes of
Kazakhstan in central Asia.

A Soyuz trip to the station takes two days from launch to docking, but the return to Earth takes less than 3.5 hours.

Originally posted by DeadpoolPete
the whole pen/pencil thing is a myth

Yes and no... while the actual story is a myth, the concept it represents is true. While we spend billions on fancy gizmos, the Russian are practical
and use what they can. When the ISS had an electrical problem last year that almost lost it... a Russian took a piece of cable and used it as a jumper
wire and saved the day.

They don't waste money or time on the frills... but I hear they still honor the tradition of a hot meal waiting for new arrivals to the ISS

Astronauts used a jumper cable to bypass a faulty power switch, NASA said on its website. The computers will run overnight for testing in the
morning. Russian flight controllers blamed the glitch on installation of the ISS' new solar panels, but head of the Russian space operator RKK
Energia said he did not blame the visiting crew for the problem.

Scepticism exists so we don't have to investigate every claim that's inherently unreasonable, unlikely or BS. Beter's unsourced, hearsay account hits
all three.

Come on Kandinsky. You don't actually think I believe the whole story do you? There may be some truth in it though. There is a secret space program
- we just don't know the extent of it or exactly how far back it goes.

I posted the coordinates in case Beter got the locations based on something he knows. That's the only way to check.

You aren't going to find sourced material admitting to bases on the moon from the Russians or anyone else as far as I know even if they are there.
Black Projects are secret by definition. If you are going to investigate secret technologies or black projects you have to look beyond sourced
material. Zorgon has uncovered stacks of clues and data on technology but the details of the projects and operations are not directly
documented.

...most US-cars with a V8 didn't have double camshaft, 4 valves per cylinder and several other features like multi point injection or
supercharger/turbo until the early nineties? The technology has been around since WW2. The Chevy small block didn't change from the mid 50s until the
early 90s.

To this...

The Russian space program is just like the US space program, a deliberate smokescreen.

The logic is the same as pointing out what sharp knives we had in the 19th Century and then claiming the lack of open-heart surgery is a
'smokescreen.'

It's simple, in the 19th century they didn't have that knowledge nor experience present.
The combustion engine has been perfected during WW2, many of the features of the engines from that time were introduced later as revolutionary new
technology.
And why a smokescreen?
According to my own research everything points at Germany reinvented/developed antigravity devices before and during the war, the US and former USSR
followed not much later using most likely a different technology.

According to my own research everything points at Germany reinvented/developed antigravity devices before and during the war, the US and former USSR
followed not much later using most likely a different technology.

According to my own research everything points at Germany reinvented/developed antigravity devices before and during the war, the US and former USSR
followed not much later using most likely a different technology.

That is close to what I may have acquired although with different terms and same situation.
I call the force to propel a ship with unseen engines the making of gravity or the propelling force.As the term antigravity has been nurtured by those
willing to obscure the ship the term must be opposed to the truth. Definitely German scientist were taught how to make the ship during the war as a
secret weapon or as a prize technology. US and Russia both acquired the technology under their occupation. So based upon those assumptions it is
interesting to follow history in a completely new way.

According to my own research everything points at Germany reinvented/developed antigravity devices before and during the war, the US and former USSR
followed not much later using most likely a different technology.

Yet Germany still fought the war with Messerschmitts and Fockes?

They lost the war too.

The technology ended up being held back for the next war or bargaining chip from intel forces.
The super fast speed in a ship that needed a new type of weapon was held back.
The ship vibrations set of common powder weapons.
The ship could not use ammo but might blow up enemy stores.
This was suggested by Tesla as a way to stop armies.
The Nazis did not use the ship to blow up US weapons.
All we hear is foos stopping B-17 bombing runs by either confusion of gunners
to lent in fighters or interrupting radar for the bombing which seemed ineffective
unless the B-17 gunners did have ammo explode and indeed cause problems
which to this day have never heard about.

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