ATTENTION all M7 fans: interesting videos.....

These videos show clearly the famous "Agarwood oil dust" , in "reformulated" (year 2008) bottles.
This could explain why so many people affirm there is little o no difference between vintage and reformulated bottles: simply, the vintage (real-agarwood) juice has been poured in many 2nd version bottles.
It's important to say that most of reformulated bottles contain transparent (synthetic agarwood) juice: but we (a small number of M7 fans from all parts of Italy) have found an outstanding number of reformulated bottles WITH the agarwood dust.

As a preliminary result, all bottles with a 5-letters batch code ( for example H0EBB) are reformulated ones ; almost half of the number-batched bottles (for example 7JAB or 8CAA) are "vintage" ones. The other half of number-batched bottles has a perfectly transparent ("reformulated") juice.

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I appreciate what you're doing and I think you might be onto something interesting here, but I have an original formulation bottle and there isn't any "agarwood oil dust" in mine... How would you interpret that?

To be honest, I'm pretty sure there's no real agarwood in any of the M7 formulations. It smells like synthetic agarwood (ie. synthetic oud) to me, similar to Byredo's Oud Accord fragrance.

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I'm not a fanatic oud fan
However, Alberto Morillas is reportedly told M7 contains real oud, not so expensive, 10 years ago (2000-2001);
but apart this, suppose the "dust" is not oud oil: why there are so many differences from one bottle to another bottle? This is the question....

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Interesting. I thought this post was BS so I checked my two bottles of vintage juice. One has stuff floating in it like in the video and the other does not. Neither reformulated bottle (five digit codes) has junk in it. Weird.

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However that we call "dust", is NOT any junk: it's oil.
The precipitation towards the bottom is typical of oil drops.
If not Agarwood oil, it's a sort of oil, undiluted in alcohol, maybe due to too-high concentration. .

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I own multiple bottles of every variant of M7:

M7 Vintage
M7 reformulation
M7 Oud Absolu
M7 Fresh

And none of them seem to contain any significant trace of real Oud oil. The bitter, dark, deep, poisonous element in the original formula, that I find absent in other formulas, seems to be real mandrake root. Even the vintage balms and vintage body wash contain it....but that bitter, poisonous smelling accord is missing in every other variant of M7.

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Very interesting! I have a 7CAA batch from 2007 and there is stuff floating around on the bottom. I think we have a mystery here on our hands guys, somebody call Shaggy and Scoobie and the rest of the gang!

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Whatever it is, I zimply will not believe that the dusty stuff is oil. Oil simply does not sink to the bottom of alcohol and does not behave like dust in solution. This is some other substance but certainly not oil. Not sure what it is and to be honest, I don't really care. The juice smells fine.

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True oud / aloeswood is very expensive I feel no version or M7 ever real contained the real stuff. Oils droplets can be found in fragrance that are old and starting to separate ...I don't think that is oud you are seeing. MY friends and I call it "smeck" it's. good way to check if a scent is going bad.

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i once saw a bottle of diptyque's vetyverio with dust floating in - the SA said that because too much light has been exposed, that the scent is giving away, i also had mugler's angel which had floaters in it.

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Originally Posted by scentimus

True oud / aloeswood is very expensive I feel no version or M7 ever real contained the real stuff. Oils droplets can be found in fragrance that are old and starting to separate ...I don't think that is oud you are seeing. MY friends and I call it "smeck" it's. good way to check if a scent is going bad.

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Originally Posted by benzganesh

i once saw a bottle of diptyque's vetyverio with dust floating in - the SA said that because too much light has been exposed, that the scent is giving away, i also had mugler's angel which had floaters in it.

I've been told the same thing and anything floating in a bottle isn't good unless it's a worm or gold flakes.

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I suspect it's some kind of chemical precipitate, and would look like tiny crystals, if seen under high magnification.

Can't remember where the other thread was on this topic. There was some speculation that one of the purposes of the maceration process was to allow new crystalline compounds that form as a result of mixing the original ingredients together to precipitate out and settle to the bottom of the flask. After a few weeks, the clear liquid is drawn off, leaving these precipitated compounds at the bottom. If the maceration was rushed, some of the very end parts of the crystallization process could later take place in the bottle, leaving some crystals there as well.

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50ml 8CAA exhibiting floaters much like the videos.

What's the evidence that floaters = 'real' agarwood dust/oil again?
Wouldn't it stand to reason that all or maybe even most 'real' oud/agarwood fragrances, not just vintage M7, have this floating dust?
hmmm

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This is the "M7 legendary tale" (please note I am not trying to convince you about it, but only to explain various point of view):

Around year 2000 YSL bought an huge amount of agarwood oil at discounted price (we don't know anything about its quality and grade, only that there were low prices in these years) , and asked to Firmenich (one of the biggest aromachemicals factories) to prepare a synthetic agarwood oil in order to "sweeten" the harsh, brutal smell of natural oil.
When Firmenich succeeded in preparing the sweet "Synth 10760 E" molecule (you can google it) , then the production of M7 started (september 2002), using real agarwood oil PLUS the sweet synthetic oud "10760E".
At a certain point, the natural agarwood oil ended, and YSL used only the synthetic oud, that's why the "reformulated" bottles smells so much sweeter than before. After the discontinuation of M7 (mid-2009) in the same year of the boom of oud fragrances, YSL affirmed that, in previous years, they have used real oud in M7, and the domonstration is the "dust", "mist", "floaters", "precipitate" you can find in many bottles.

This is the "legend", and I am only trying to understand more about it, even with Basenote readers' help. Maybe some of you can approach YSL or Firmenich and ask some questions!

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Originally Posted by totaldominasian

Just got a vintage one off eBay. How do I tell the date of manufacture? I see a 5 number code on the bottom, but no letter.

for bottles from 2001 to 2010 simply go to http://checkcosmetic.net/ and check the code.
However if you see only 5 numbers and no letters, it's from 2002 to 2004 for sure .
Congratulations, a real vintage one!