Sure they are not as white as people from Low Countries, British Isles, German countries, Scandinavia, East Slavs, West Slavs, Finno-Ugrics, Balts etc. but can you say they are not as white as South Italians, Greeks, Ossetians and Georgians? Yes, there is some in this photos that look mixed/non-white, but I was in Greece and Bulgaria, I saw similar such dark types there, so I don't see difference.

So they aren't as white as Nordic types... but you can group them in with the much darker Meds and the lighter Pontic types
Since when are Dinarics comparable to either of the 3 above???

Newsflash..
The only correct manner of making such a comparison would be among SAME racial sub-groups simply because a Nord will always be "lighter" than either a Dinaric, Pontid or Med !!! just like a Med will always be darker than any Dinaric...etc

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For me it's keine weise (all or nothing), either this people are RACIALLY non-white (together with South Italians, Greeks, Ossetians, Georgians and others in Balkans and Caucasus) or they are RACIALLY white and CULTURALLY/BEHAVIOUR non-white (islam, criminal behaviour, gang/gypsy behaviour in West and whoredom of EU/US), which one is it for you?

Same stupid debate all over again with a clear intention of closing this thread.. (seems like you really get annoyed seeing facts about your beloved Albanians)
From claiming to have understood through various discussion why they're not accepted only to once again turn this into yet another pic masturbation !!! and what's this whole "keine weise" and "which one is it for you?" all about??
Didn't you get your answer in your poll???YOU DID.. so give us all a break

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Just to get this thread back on track.. a news bulletin from my home town.. unfortunately too lazy to do the translating myself (made a couple of minor corrections), so here's what google translation gave me..

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New Year, the 20 year old Voliotis Salvatore Seraskino was brought in a critical condition in Intensive Care Unit of the Hospital of Volos hospital with severe blows to the head, and attacked with iron bars by foreigners of his age.

The young man just after the turn of the year came out to entertain a famous night clubs of Volos, Larissa Street with friends. Sometime in the shop a member of the gang of young, exchanged some word with Albanians, according to police.
At the exit from the store waiting for the people who had scold me, along with other friends who were informed about the incident in the night clubs.The group of foreigners had been fitted with iron bars and chains from the adjacent service station and just saw the group of young attacked on it.
The clash was fierce and the young did not stop knocking the 20 year old friends and himself mainly to the head. The Salvatore, according to eyewitnesses, was afraid of the area took the fact and tried to separate the two groups to avoid the worst.
But did not succeed and the other a young company with a long iron bars, he managed multiple blows to the head so the 20 year old to fall helpless on the ground, and his friend rushed to protect him.
At that time patrons of the restaurant trying to separate the two groups but failed to catch the aliens who fled to the dark car, brand BMW.
The 20 year old, whose mother is Voliotissa and father Italian, moved to Volos Hospital with serious head injuries and was introduced directly into the operating room and then in the Intensive Care Unit where hospitalized late last night with his condition characterized by doctors critical.The impact of accepting the head was too severe and even surgery that lasted five hours, the brain damage is too great and the doctors until yesterday it was optimistic about the state of health, fearing the worst.
In Volos Hospital moved to blows but his friend Salvadore.
The family of 20 year old, just learned the unprecedented incident spoke of pure attack, while the 20 year old uncle of Mr Karagiannis, who owns a coffee bar said it was the first time I saw such an event.
"People are not going to hit, they went to murder.The doctors told us that one who hit him was an animal, not a man. There is never such a thing happen again in our city, "said the indignant statements by the fact Mr Karagiannis.
He noted that parents and children should now be very careful, because these events can get scale.
Mr Karagiannis appeals to anyone who can help to identify the perpetrators, which, according to preliminary information is three young Albanians, who are equipped with a dark car brand BMW.
Meanwhile, the emergence of Volos Hospital on the day they entered the New Year about five beaten, which fortunately was not serious and were discharged.

On the bright side they caught the bastards today.. so lets sit back and hear wilkolak tells us about how white these bloody Albanians are !!!!

So they aren't as white as Nordic types... but you can group them in with the much darker Meds and the lighter Pontic types
Since when are Dinarics comparable to either of the 3 above???

Simple, they look more like Greeks, Serbs, Bulgarians and South Italians than like Poles, Danes, Finns, Latvians and Scots.

There is no need to go into phenotypes, if there was no Albanian flags, hats or mosques, I doubt anyone would straight away know who people in those pictures were, they would just have general idea that this people are from somewhere in SE Europe.

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Newsflash..
The only correct manner of making such a comparison would be among SAME racial sub-groups simply because a Nord will always be "lighter" than either a Dinaric, Pontid or Med !!! just like a Med will always be darker than any Dinaric...etc

Says who? They are not different species from different planets. Dinarics look more similar to Meds than they do to Nords or Baltids, anyone can see this, so what's wrong in comparing them?

Average Dinaric Serb looks more like average Med Greek than average Nordic Norwegian or average Baltid Belarussian, you can't deny this.

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Same stupid debate all over again with a clear intention of closing this thread.. (seems like you really get annoyed seeing facts about your beloved Albanians)

I get annoyed by immature propaganda, and I don't care if it is against Albanians, Cambodians, Martians, dolphins or hermaphrodites, I expect more from white people on forum like this (and unfortunately it happens to be Albanian threads where one can see most of this propaganda).

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From claiming to have understood through various discussion why they're not accepted only to once again turn this into yet another pic masturbation !!! and what's this whole "keine weise" and "which one is it for you?" all about??
Didn't you get your answer in your poll???YOU DID.. so give us all a break

Hellinas, do you ever understand anything first time someone says something to you, or does one have to explain 10 times before you finally get it? You are not retarded, so why do you act like it?

I will say for last time:

I ACCEPT ALBANIANS AS WHITE RACIALLY, BUT I REJECT ALBANIANS AS WHITE DUE TO 1) ISLAM, 2) CRIMINAL AND OTHER ANTI-SOCIAL BEHAVIOUR AND 3) ZOG (US/EU/NATO) WORSHIP.

Is this clear for you or would you like me to write it again?

About "keine weise" and "which one is it for you?" thing, I will repaste it several times, I am sure you will finally get it, I am sorry if it was confusing for you:

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For me it's keine weise (all or nothing), either this people are RACIALLY non-white (together with South Italians, Greeks, Ossetians, Georgians and others in Balkans and Caucasus) or they are RACIALLY white and CULTURALLY/BEHAVIOUR non-white (islam, criminal behaviour, gang/gypsy behaviour in West and whoredom of EU/US), which one is it for you?

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For me it's keine weise (all or nothing), either this people are RACIALLY non-white (together with South Italians, Greeks, Ossetians, Georgians and others in Balkans and Caucasus) or they are RACIALLY white and CULTURALLY/BEHAVIOUR non-white (islam, criminal behaviour, gang/gypsy behaviour in West and whoredom of EU/US), which one is it for you?

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For me it's keine weise (all or nothing), either this people are RACIALLY non-white (together with South Italians, Greeks, Ossetians, Georgians and others in Balkans and Caucasus) or they are RACIALLY white and CULTURALLY/BEHAVIOUR non-white (islam, criminal behaviour, gang/gypsy behaviour in West and whoredom of EU/US), which one is it for you?

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For me it's keine weise (all or nothing), either this people are RACIALLY non-white (together with South Italians, Greeks, Ossetians, Georgians and others in Balkans and Caucasus) or they are RACIALLY white and CULTURALLY/BEHAVIOUR non-white (islam, criminal behaviour, gang/gypsy behaviour in West and whoredom of EU/US), which one is it for you?

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For me it's keine weise (all or nothing), either this people are RACIALLY non-white (together with South Italians, Greeks, Ossetians, Georgians and others in Balkans and Caucasus) or they are RACIALLY white and CULTURALLY/BEHAVIOUR non-white (islam, criminal behaviour, gang/gypsy behaviour in West and whoredom of EU/US), which one is it for you?

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For me it's keine weise (all or nothing), either this people are RACIALLY non-white (together with South Italians, Greeks, Ossetians, Georgians and others in Balkans and Caucasus) or they are RACIALLY white and CULTURALLY/BEHAVIOUR non-white (islam, criminal behaviour, gang/gypsy behaviour in West and whoredom of EU/US), which one is it for you?

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For me it's keine weise (all or nothing), either this people are RACIALLY non-white (together with South Italians, Greeks, Ossetians, Georgians and others in Balkans and Caucasus) or they are RACIALLY white and CULTURALLY/BEHAVIOUR non-white (islam, criminal behaviour, gang/gypsy behaviour in West and whoredom of EU/US), which one is it for you?

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For me it's keine weise (all or nothing), either this people are RACIALLY non-white (together with South Italians, Greeks, Ossetians, Georgians and others in Balkans and Caucasus) or they are RACIALLY white and CULTURALLY/BEHAVIOUR non-white (islam, criminal behaviour, gang/gypsy behaviour in West and whoredom of EU/US), which one is it for you?

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For me it's keine weise (all or nothing), either this people are RACIALLY non-white (together with South Italians, Greeks, Ossetians, Georgians and others in Balkans and Caucasus) or they are RACIALLY white and CULTURALLY/BEHAVIOUR non-white (islam, criminal behaviour, gang/gypsy behaviour in West and whoredom of EU/US), which one is it for you?

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For me it's keine weise (all or nothing), either this people are RACIALLY non-white (together with South Italians, Greeks, Ossetians, Georgians and others in Balkans and Caucasus) or they are RACIALLY white and CULTURALLY/BEHAVIOUR non-white (islam, criminal behaviour, gang/gypsy behaviour in West and whoredom of EU/US), which one is it for you?

Did you get it somewhere along line? Please just say yes even if you didn't!

About poll, I myself voted against Albanians, so I know sentiment about them very well here, but how do you know people voted against them on RACIAL and not BEHAVIORAL/CULTURAL grounds?

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Just to get this thread back on track.. a news bulletin from my home town.. unfortunately too lazy to do the translating myself (made a couple of minor corrections), so here's what google translation gave me..

On the bright side they caught the bastards today.. so lets sit back and hear wilkolak tells us about how white these bloody Albanians are !!!!

OK, here we go again:

I ACCEPT ALBANIANS AS WHITE RACIALLY, BUT I REJECT ALBANIANS AS WHITE DUE TO 1) ISLAM, 2) CRIMINAL AND OTHER ANTI-SOCIAL BEHAVIOUR AND 3) ZOG (US/EU/NATO) WORSHIP.

I ACCEPT ALBANIANS AS WHITE RACIALLY, BUT I REJECT ALBANIANS AS WHITE DUE TO 1) ISLAM, 2) CRIMINAL AND OTHER ANTI-SOCIAL BEHAVIOUR AND 3) ZOG (US/EU/NATO) WORSHIP.

I ACCEPT ALBANIANS AS WHITE RACIALLY, BUT I REJECT ALBANIANS AS WHITE DUE TO 1) ISLAM, 2) CRIMINAL AND OTHER ANTI-SOCIAL BEHAVIOUR AND 3) ZOG (US/EU/NATO) WORSHIP.

I ACCEPT ALBANIANS AS WHITE RACIALLY, BUT I REJECT ALBANIANS AS WHITE DUE TO 1) ISLAM, 2) CRIMINAL AND OTHER ANTI-SOCIAL BEHAVIOUR AND 3) ZOG (US/EU/NATO) WORSHIP.

I ACCEPT ALBANIANS AS WHITE RACIALLY, BUT I REJECT ALBANIANS AS WHITE DUE TO 1) ISLAM, 2) CRIMINAL AND OTHER ANTI-SOCIAL BEHAVIOUR AND 3) ZOG (US/EU/NATO) WORSHIP.

I ACCEPT ALBANIANS AS WHITE RACIALLY, BUT I REJECT ALBANIANS AS WHITE DUE TO 1) ISLAM, 2) CRIMINAL AND OTHER ANTI-SOCIAL BEHAVIOUR AND 3) ZOG (US/EU/NATO) WORSHIP.

I ACCEPT ALBANIANS AS WHITE RACIALLY, BUT I REJECT ALBANIANS AS WHITE DUE TO 1) ISLAM, 2) CRIMINAL AND OTHER ANTI-SOCIAL BEHAVIOUR AND 3) ZOG (US/EU/NATO) WORSHIP.

I ACCEPT ALBANIANS AS WHITE RACIALLY, BUT I REJECT ALBANIANS AS WHITE DUE TO 1) ISLAM, 2) CRIMINAL AND OTHER ANTI-SOCIAL BEHAVIOUR AND 3) ZOG (US/EU/NATO) WORSHIP.

I ACCEPT ALBANIANS AS WHITE RACIALLY, BUT I REJECT ALBANIANS AS WHITE DUE TO 1) ISLAM, 2) CRIMINAL AND OTHER ANTI-SOCIAL BEHAVIOUR AND 3) ZOG (US/EU/NATO) WORSHIP.

I ACCEPT ALBANIANS AS WHITE RACIALLY, BUT I REJECT ALBANIANS AS WHITE DUE TO 1) ISLAM, 2) CRIMINAL AND OTHER ANTI-SOCIAL BEHAVIOUR AND 3) ZOG (US/EU/NATO) WORSHIP.

There`s a clear racial distinction between Albanians and the rest of Balkan population. There are few reasons why people outside this area cannot see this at once. One, people from nordic/baltic countries put all non-blonde people into same basket. Their perceptive is fixed to blue hair and blue eyes, and all dar/brownish/black haired people look pretty much the same, the way they see it. Just like someone from dinaric region sees all blondes exactly the same, eventough there exists racial difference, even in some nordic populations.

The first racial characteristic of Albanians are nasal vocals. Their language sounds like person who speaks this has a lot of slime in their throat and nose. And this is strong racial feature of Albanian laguage, as well. I don`t understand a word of it, but I would always differ, very easily, Albanian language from Greek, or Slavic languages. Always. A Slav person is almost like singing while talking. Unlike Albos, who sound like 'mhaaa mha nhaaaa mirdithaaaa'.

(And remember, you don`t define race only by color of one`s hair... there`s much more to it)

Third, if anyone is interested in seeing Albanian`s photos, along with many fine articles about Albanian question, take a look at 'Racial images of Albanians' thread, which is in my signature.

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Now something about 'white Albos'.... well, this is Balkans, with a lot of messed up history, a crossroads of numerous civilisations, races and cultures. Undoubtably we could say that Albanian migration on Balkans, that started around Xth century, had absorbed some elements of early dinarids, like Illyirians (the fact they try to use as proof to their 'illyrian origins'.... despite that there are Illyrian genes mainly among Slavs of Balkans - Serbs, Croats, Bosnians and Montenegrins). Of course, during centuries as Turkish allies, we can presume that an albanisation of neighbooring poeples took place, up to some extent, and we can easilly present proof about it, if needed.

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Finally, Albanians are far from being geneticaly unique nation. I`d say, it`s quite the opposite. While one can indeed find even some Noric strains (which I think is a consequence of historic circumstances, not of their own racial heritage: for example, during medival period, nearly half of nowdays Albanian territory was a part of Serbian kingdom), you can easily find even gypsie and negroid genes, especially on Kosovo area, and in Macedonia. In any case, Albanians are a genetic mixture of everything and anyone they could Albanise. There is no racial homogenity in this population, and the matter is even worse, when we take culture influences into consideration. What good is those few percents of 'white albos', when we know they are more under Saudi Arabia influece then the European?

In this context, any insinuation that there can be any comparation between Dinarics and Meds of Balkan, with this scum is more than offensive.

Simple, they look more like Greeks, Serbs, Bulgarians and South Italians than like Poles, Danes, Finns, Latvians and Scots.

Where did your Ossetians and Georgians go?
"they look" ????
So based on this outrageous claim, any German or Swedish Med, Pontid or Alpine should also "look like" an Albanian right!!! or do only S.Europeans have this honor?
What about Dinaric Poles.. do you also claim they look like Albanians or do you ignore that this type of a Pole does exist??

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There is no need to go into phenotypes, if there was no Albanian flags, hats or mosques, I doubt anyone would straight away know who people in those pictures were, they would just have general idea that this people are from somewhere in SE Europe.

Phenotypes?? unless you can see a phenotype in the pictures you presented they mean nothing.. Keep in mind that you're talking about "looks" Then again, they'd "look" only to someone that ignores the existence of Dinarics among populations other than Albanians..

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Says who? They are not different species from different planets. Dinarics look more similar to Meds than they do to Nords or Baltids, anyone can see this, so what's wrong in comparing them?

Anyone can see this??
Try to understand that an apple and a orange are both fruits.. but they are totally different. Similarly a Med, no matter if he's a German, Swede, Brit..etc will look similar ONLY to another MED and not to any Nord, Dinaric nor Alpine..
Ther question here is do you actually know what the above sub-groups look like??? cause only someone that doesn't know would claim something similar to what you did.

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Average Dinaric Serb looks more like average Med Greek than average Nordic Norwegian or average Baltid Belarussian, you can't deny this.

Deny??
Hell I'll prove that you don't know the first thing about what you're babbling here...
Here's your Med (Italian but that's beyond the point here)

A Dinaric: (Ukranian but again not the issue)

your Nordic Norwegian..

and a East Baltic Swede

So do you still insist that a Dinaric looks more like a Med ???

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I get annoyed by immature propaganda, and I don't care if it is against Albanians, Cambodians, Martians, dolphins or hermaphrodites, I expect more from white people on forum like this (and unfortunately it happens to be Albanian threads where one can see most of this propaganda).

Your only annoyance seems to be centrlized in topics related to Albanians.. (totally forgot about it when you adopted FYROMian propaganda and started throwing accusations ) but then I bet this is a simple coincidence.. It never really was your intention to jump into and revive every single abandnoned thread related to them.. it just happened..

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Hellinas, do you ever understand anything first time someone says something to you, or does one have to explain 10 times before you finally get it? You are not retarded, so why do you act like it?

I will say for last time:

I ACCEPT ALBANIANS AS WHITE RACIALLY, BUT I REJECT ALBANIANS AS WHITE DUE TO 1) ISLAM, 2) CRIMINAL AND OTHER ANTI-SOCIAL BEHAVIOUR AND 3) ZOG (US/EU/NATO) WORSHIP.

No wilkolak.. you're the one acting like the retard... You keep on reviving dead threads about your beloved, keep on accusing others of spreading propaganda.. and all this when we'd expect that you'd finally get the point though your head, and especially after your poll backfired and eventually comprehend that Albanians are simply NOT welcome here.

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About "keine weise" and "which one is it for you?" thing, I will repaste it several times, I am sure you will finally get it, I am sorry if it was confusing for you:

You can act like the troll you are all you like.. but ther fact of the matter is that you didn't get the point !!!
The point was that you've already discussed and revived every single related thread only to get them locked up since the answer is evident. So starting the whole damn thing all over again is simply a waste of valueable bandwidth !!!

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About poll, I myself voted against Albanians, so I know sentiment about them very well here, but how do you know people voted against them on RACIAL and not BEHAVIORAL/CULTURAL grounds?

Yeah conveniently voted against them only after you saw where it was going but kept on posting about how white they are until it was locked up.

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Are we finally on same page?

Nope and obviously will never be simply because you have an agenda which prevents you from comprehending the basics.. When the term "white" is used its used strictly to define what is accepted based on WN values.. and strictly by those, Albanians are simply NOT WHITE !!!! your attempt to make a distinction between culture and race is simply an attempt to leave a small window for possible future acceptance of their kind.. Sorry but that simply isn't going to happen..
end of story.

Where did your Ossetians and Georgians go?
"they look" ????
So based on this outrageous claim, any German or Swedish Med, Pontid or Alpine should also "look like" an Albanian right!!! or do only S.Europeans have this honor?
What about Dinaric Poles.. do you also claim they look like Albanians or do you ignore that this type of a Pole does exist??

Would it make you feel better if I put Georgians and Ossetians back in?

German and Swedish meds do exist, but in tiny numbers compared to Southern Europe, where meds are majority or significant, so no, Southern Europeans do not have this honour 100%, but close enough, and not so that Swedes/Germans can be compared en masse with Albanians.

Polish Dinarics number 10% in Poland, which is much and they probably can be compared with Albanian Dinarics, but Dinarics are majority in Albania, while in Poland is Neo-Danubians, which are totally different from each other, so in vast majority of cases, there is no way Poles and Albanians will look alike.

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Phenotypes?? unless you can see a phenotype in the pictures you presented they mean nothing..
Keep in mind that you're talking about "looks" Then again, they'd "look" only to someone that ignores the existence of Dinarics among populations other than Albanians..

Phenotypes one can see in this photos are mostly Dinaric or Med, and where are they most commonly found? There you go.

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Anyone can see this??
Try to understand that an apple and a orange are both fruits.. but they are totally different. Similarly a Med, no matter if he's a German, Swede, Brit..etc will look similar ONLY to another MED and not to any Nord, Dinaric nor Alpine..
Ther question here is do you actually know what the above sub-groups look like??? cause only someone that doesn't know would claim something similar to what you did.

Yes, but your point is not really valid, because frequencies of this phenotypes differs greatly from country to country:

Sweden = 70% Hallstatt Nordic (Carleton Coon described Sweden as a refuge area for the classic Nordic race), 10% Borreby (most common in the southwest coastal region), 10% Fälish (most common in Dalarna [Kopparberg] and the southwest coastal region), 5% Trønder (most common near the central Norwegian border), 5% East Baltic = 100% Nordish (95% central and 5% periphery types)

Norway = 45% Trønder (most common in the west), 30% Hallstatt Nordic (most common in the southeast area around Oslo), 10% Borreby (most common in the southwest), 7% Fälish (most common in the south), 5% East Baltic (most common in the far north), 3% Palaeo-Atlantid (found in western coastal areas) = 100% Nordish (92% central and 8% periphery types)

Germany = 25% Borreby (most common in the Rhine and Ruhr valleys and the north), 20% Fälish (most common in the north), 15% Alpine (most common in Baden and Bavaria), 15% Noric, 6% Keltic Nordic (most common in the old Frankish country in the southwest), 5% Anglo-Saxon (most common in the northwest), 5% East Baltic, 5% Dinaric, 4% Hallstatt Nordic = 80% Nordish (60% central and 20% periphery types)

Switzerland = 40% Keltic Nordic and 30% Noric (most common in the north, west and center), 15% Dinaric and 15% Alpine (most common in the south and east) = 70% Nordish (40% central and 30% periphery types)

Italy = 50% Dinaricized Mediterranean (most common in the south and Sicily), 20% Dinaric (most common in the north), 15% Alpine (most common in the northwest), 10% West Mediterranean (most common in Sardinia), 4% Noric (most common in the north, 1% Nordic (most common in the remnants of the Ostrogoth and Lombard aristocracy) = 5% Nordish (1% central and 4% periphery types). Italy, much like the other southern European countries of the Mediterranean region -- Spain, Portugal and Greece -- experienced several waves of Nordish invasions during ancient and early Medieval times, from the Danubians (circa 2,000-1,500 B.C.), who brought the Indo-European language that developed into Latin, and the Kelts (beginning circa 500 B.C.), to the Germanic Ostrogoths and Lombards (A.D. 400-700). These Nordish elements have been gradually assimilated into the majority Mediterranean population, but some of their genetic traits, existing in solution, occasionally recombine to appear in individuals whose other traits are mostly non-Nordish.

Romania = 35% Dinaric (most common in the west), 25% East Mediterranean (most common on the coast), 20% Neo-Danubian (most common in the northeast), 10% Alpine, 7% Noric and 3% Nordic (most common in the west) = 30% Nordish (3% central and 27% periphery types)

Greece = 40% East Mediterranean, 25% Dinaricized Mediterranean, 20% Alpine (most common in Epirus), 10% Dinaric, 5% Nordish (partly assimilated remnant, or genetic recombinations from solution, of various past Nordish invaders, mostly of Danubian type, going back to the ancient Achaeans and Dorians; most common in the north)

Your only annoyance seems to be centrlized in topics related to Albanians.. (totally forgot about it when you adopted FYROMian propaganda and started throwing accusations ) but then I bet this is a simple coincidence.. It never really was your intention to jump into and revive every single abandnoned thread related to them.. it just happened..

Because this is where one sees this idiot propaganda most, also topics about Georgians. If it were anywhere else, you would see me there also.

And what are you talking about FYROM? That was polite discussion where I gave my opinion based on little background, when I was proved wrong I admitted it and f*cked off. I don't see how is case here.

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No wilkolak.. you're the one acting like the retard... You keep on reviving dead threads about your beloved, keep on accusing others of spreading propaganda.. and all this when we'd expect that you'd finally get the point though your head, and especially after your poll backfired and eventually comprehend that Albanians are simply NOT welcome here.

I ACCEPT ALBANIANS AS WHITE RACIALLY, BUT I REJECT ALBANIANS AS WHITE DUE TO 1) ISLAM, 2) CRIMINAL AND OTHER ANTI-SOCIAL BEHAVIOUR AND 3) ZOG (US/EU/NATO) WORSHIP.

And my poll did not backfire, you took great, big sh1t in it and it was closed without me knowking about it.

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You can act like the troll you are all you like.. but ther fact of the matter is that you didn't get the point !!!
The point was that you've already discussed and revived every single related thread only to get them locked up since the answer is evident. So starting the whole damn thing all over again is simply a waste of valueable bandwidth !!!

So should I just not post my opinion on it? I didn't realize forum was place where one could post crap and others could not discuss it! Thanks man!

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Yeah conveniently voted against them only after you saw where it was going but kept on posting about how white they are until it was locked up.

Where do you come up with this crap?

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When the term "white" is used its used strictly to define what is accepted based on WN values.. and strictly by those, Albanians are simply NOT WHITE !!!! your attempt to make a distinction between culture and race is simply an attempt to leave a small window for possible future acceptance of their kind..

Finally, I agree 100% with something you said!!!

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So what I see from this post is that you compare Polaks to Dannish, Finnish and other nordic people? Perhaps you consider your nation nordic?

God, another one who can't read!

What I see is that you don't see what I wrote.

I wrote:

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Simple, they look more like Greeks, Serbs, Bulgarians and South Italians than like Poles, Danes, Finns, Latvians and Scots.

Since when are Latvians and Scots Nordic countries? Only Scandinavian countries are known as Nordic countries. If you don't like my choice, I could have used Russians, Swedes, Lithuanians, Estonians and Welshmen, or Czechs, Germans, Hungarians and Irishmen... whole idea was taking countries from Northern half of Europe, where countries have similar characteristics: light hair, light eyes, light pigmentation, similar genetics (R1a, R1b and I in different proportions) and similar phenotypes (Nordics, Baltics and other related types).

- Neo-Danubian type (eastern periphery blend of original Danubian and Kurgan proto-Nordics with Ladogan, with the Nordic element dominant; majority element in Poland and Belorussia, primary element in Hungary, west Ukraine and northwest Russia, important in Finland and the Baltic States)

- Hallstatt or Österdal type (named after Austrian site where remains were found and Norwegian valley near Oslo; predominant element in Sweden and southeastern Norway, common in Denmark, western Finland, eastern England and northern Germany)

- Noric or Sub-Nordic type (southern periphery blend of Nordic with Alpine and/or Dinaric, with the Nordic element dominant; principal element in northern France, important element in central Germany and Austria, common in Transylvania and western Ukraine, minor in British Isles)

- East Baltic type (northeast periphery blend of Borreby and/or Fälish with Neo-Danubian and/or Ladogan; majority element in Finland and the Baltic States, formerly predominant in Old Prussia, but this element now dispersed throughout Germany as a result of the post-war expulsion of the Prussian population from its ancestral homeland)

When you put it this way, it looks like Albanians are 100% racially pure European nation. Now, I cannot figure out what are you up to, but it seems to me your surces are very questionable. This racial construct is completyl innacurate. I don`t need any genetic resource to know this, I can only look at their disgusting faces to know the truth, and I belive other Balkan folk agree with me. Albanians cannot be bearers of Dinaric blood, it is a lie.

This 'racial compact' site, what is this? Is it some magazine, a book, or what? Who`s the author?

3. The Tosks tribe of southern Albania have about 3/5 of European genetics, and it`s a mere consequence they are mainly albanised Greeks.

4. Kosovo Albanians are bio-geneticaly most degenerated group of Europe. Around 1/3 are European, the rest of nearly 70% are afro-negroids and eastern-asiatics. There`s around 46% percents of afro-negroid Eu4-J2, 21% of western-celtic Eu18-R1b, 17% of levantic-arabian Eu9-J2, 4% of Slavic Eu19-R1a, and 2% of Eu7-I1b Dinaric gene! So, it means 'kosovars' are all but Dinarics, but more similar to Morocco!

Would it make you feel better if I put Georgians and Ossetians back in?

Sure why not.. but only if you're prepared to actually back up the claim of Pontids bearing similarities to Dinarics..

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German and Swedish meds do exist, but in tiny numbers compared to Southern Europe, where meds are majority or significant, so no, Southern Europeans do not have this honour 100%, but close enough, and not so that Swedes/Germans can be compared en masse with Albanians.

Actually quite indifferent since your own source indicates that Albanians are in their vast majority Dinarics and while doing so, trashing your claim of the being passed as Hellenes and Bulgarians.. since as it indicates, the Dinarics are merely a minority in these countries.

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Polish Dinarics number 10% in Poland, which is much and they probably can be compared with Albanian Dinarics, but Dinarics are majority in Albania, while in Poland is Neo-Danubians, which are totally different from each other, so in vast majority of cases, there is no way Poles and Albanians will look alike.

But according to your stupid logic, while in Hellas Dinarics are only 10% just like in Poland and the majority, 65% is Meds.. they can look alike !!! seems like you don't like applying your owntwisted logic on your own people..

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Phenotypes one can see in this photos are mostly Dinaric or Med, and where are they most commonly found? There you go.

Show us which individuals are Meds in the specific pics you posted.. then again, don't bother.. none are.

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Yes, but your point is not really valid, because frequencies of this phenotypes differs greatly from country to country:

The point is totally valid, you're just too damn stubborn to admit it.. IF a 10% Dinaric population in Hellas justiifies your claims of Albanians being passed for Hellenes, then that should apply to every single European country that has a % of Dinaric, Alpine or Noric population.
From your own source:

So based on your own source we find that Hellenes hardly resemble Albanians... but that one could point to Czechs, Hungarians, Romanians, Austrians..etc..
So do you continue to insist on your stupid claims???

Why do you think H.F Gunther while describing the Med. race wrote:The shape of the head is the same as in the Nordic race; the Mediterranean race is, too, long-headed and narrow-faced, and has the back of the head projecting over the nape.

Obviously cause Meds look more like Dinarics.

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Because this is where one sees this idiot propaganda most, also topics about Georgians. If it were anywhere else, you would see me there also.

So the Pole put on his red cape and decided to play it protector of the unfortunate Albanians who are being molested in here..

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And what are you talking about FYROM? That was polite discussion where I gave my opinion based on little background, when I was proved wrong I admitted it and f*cked off. I don't see how is case here.

Yeah a polite discussion that started right after your Cyprus plan backfired.. and as I recall oh, red cape propaganda fighter, you went on and adopted FYROMian propaganda.. only to then drop the claims once you saw it wouldn't work..

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I ACCEPT ALBANIANS AS WHITE RACIALLY, BUT I REJECT ALBANIANS AS WHITE DUE TO 1) ISLAM, 2) CRIMINAL AND OTHER ANTI-SOCIAL BEHAVIOUR AND 3) ZOG (US/EU/NATO) WORSHIP.

You just don't get it do you???
Noone gives a flying [email protected] about what you do or do not accept and that was proven in your acceptance thread.. Albanians are not welcome here, so repeating your beliefs is nothing but a waste of bandwidth.

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And my poll did not backfire, you took great, big sh1t in it and it was closed without me knowking about it.

hahaha nice little twist.. after seeing you contradict yourself, cherry pick pictures and have immigration and population statistics thrown right at you.. yeah you'd be the one to claim I was the one in the corner..
By the way, neither was I around when it was locked.

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So should I just not post my opinion on it? I didn't realize forum was place where one could post crap and others could not discuss it! Thanks man!

You had your poll, you saw that the vast majority prior to its closure was AGAINST Albanians.. the way any self-respecting individual would act, would be to accept the majority's request and keep Albanians out of here and any discussion which are against the majority's beliefs confined to OV.

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Where do you come up with this crap?

Short memory unfortunately its deleted..

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Finally, I agree 100% with something you said!!!

Well if you do, then accept the fact that for WN, Albanians are NOT white and stop the stupid racial and cultural distinction.. Simple really.