I myself am a purist as well. If you could make it so that all of these things had to be done "manually" I would be all for it since I think that finding these stats are a skill in themselves and certainly separate the good players from the excellent ones. The problem is that if they were undone, people would just make their own programs. You never know who is using what calculator as it stands and if auto stats like these were taken away it would just create a bigger advantage for those who use programs.

Funkyterrance wrote:I myself am a purist as well. If you could make it so that all of these things had to be done "manually" I would be all for it since I think that finding these stats are a skill in themselves and certainly separate the good players from the excellent ones. The problem is that if they were undone, people would just make their own programs. You never know who is using what calculator as it stands and if auto stats like these were taken away it would just create a bigger advantage for those who use programs.

Why would people *not* use a script if it provides useful information?!

I try to put as little effort as possible into doing repetitive, boring tasks - particularly tasks that can be accomplished more quickly and with less room for error by code! Counting territories taken in a foggy game log doesn't require thinking, it just requires time. I would suppose people who claim to dislike side stats are also the same type of people who eschew any other kind of time-saving technology. Like word processors. Or dishwashers. Or calculators.

I prefer to put my time to more productive purposes. Like browsing reddit. Or daydreaming. Or decorating cookies.

Funkyterrance wrote:I myself am a purist as well. If you could make it so that all of these things had to be done "manually" I would be all for it since I think that finding these stats are a skill in themselves and certainly separate the good players from the excellent ones. The problem is that if they were undone, people would just make their own programs. You never know who is using what calculator as it stands and if auto stats like these were taken away it would just create a bigger advantage for those who use programs.

Why would people *not* use a script if it provides useful information?!

I try to put as little effort as possible into doing repetitive, boring tasks - particularly tasks that can be accomplished more quickly and with less room for error by code! Counting territories taken in a foggy game log doesn't require thinking, it just requires time. I would suppose people who claim to dislike side stats are also the same type of people who eschew any other kind of time-saving technology. Like word processors. Or dishwashers. Or calculators.

I prefer to put my time to more productive purposes. Like browsing reddit. Or daydreaming. Or decorating cookies.

Funkyterrance wrote:I myself am a purist as well. If you could make it so that all of these things had to be done "manually" I would be all for it since I think that finding these stats are a skill in themselves and certainly separate the good players from the excellent ones. The problem is that if they were undone, people would just make their own programs. You never know who is using what calculator as it stands and if auto stats like these were taken away it would just create a bigger advantage for those who use programs.

Why would people *not* use a script if it provides useful information?!

I try to put as little effort as possible into doing repetitive, boring tasks - particularly tasks that can be accomplished more quickly and with less room for error by code! Counting territories taken in a foggy game log doesn't require thinking, it just requires time. I would suppose people who claim to dislike side stats are also the same type of people who eschew any other kind of time-saving technology. Like word processors. Or dishwashers. Or calculators.

I prefer to put my time to more productive purposes. Like browsing reddit. Or daydreaming. Or decorating cookies.

Are you disagreeing with me? I can't tell as I'm not entirely sure what one has to do with the other. I'm saying that it should be all or nothing, all programs for all or none for all.As far as using programs that aren't readily available to all other players, yeah I think it's an uneven playing field. The problem with your analogy to dishwashers is that there is something on here called rank which can be misleading if a player uses scripts not used by most. Lets say two people go into separate rooms to do some arithmetic problems to see who is more skilled. One person goes in and comes out in a few minutes having answered all the questions correctly and everyone says "wow" while the next person comes out a half hour later and gets a few problems wrong. "Worse at arithmetic!" the crowd exclaims. Meanwhile the first person reaches into his/her pocket: "Oops, forgot to turn off my calculater".

Funkyterrance wrote:I myself am a purist as well. If you could make it so that all of these things had to be done "manually" I would be all for it since I think that finding these stats are a skill in themselves and certainly separate the good players from the excellent ones. The problem is that if they were undone, people would just make their own programs. You never know who is using what calculator as it stands and if auto stats like these were taken away it would just create a bigger advantage for those who use programs.

+1

Preferred the old days, pre-BOB (which I still don't use, much to the chagrin of my team mates as I can't take snaps). It is good to rely on one's own memory or spend 10-15 minutes poring over the map, the log and the situation before making a judgment call - that's why I still do it, it gives one a better feel for the game and the tendency of the dice I think.

If I was playing chess and had a computer that could tell me what my next move should be I wouldn't follow it, simply because I'd lose whatever grasp on strategy I had. It's what worries me about this....because somewhere down the road someone will create a script that can propose your best move with an immediate calculation of odds - something that imo should be left to the player's own determination.

Does anyone remember the title of this movie? 2 guys play chess over a couple of weeks, each day a turn or something like that, and one day one guy notice that the other guy plays the moves a computer tells him? At first, the guy feels cheated, but then the other guy explains that the computer is just an addition to his own mind and he programmed all what the computer knows.

Foxglove wrote:Why would people *not* use a script if it provides useful information?!

I try to put as little effort as possible into doing repetitive, boring tasks - particularly tasks that can be accomplished more quickly and with less room for error by code! Counting territories taken in a foggy game log doesn't require thinking, it just requires time. I would suppose people who claim to dislike side stats are also the same type of people who eschew any other kind of time-saving technology. Like word processors. Or dishwashers. Or calculators.

I prefer to put my time to more productive purposes. Like browsing reddit. Or daydreaming. Or decorating cookies.

I've had a similar argument about technology with my brother. It ended when I back-handed him across the mouth with my abacus.

Foxglove wrote:Why would people *not* use a script if it provides useful information?!

I try to put as little effort as possible into doing repetitive, boring tasks - particularly tasks that can be accomplished more quickly and with less room for error by code! Counting territories taken in a foggy game log doesn't require thinking, it just requires time. I would suppose people who claim to dislike side stats are also the same type of people who eschew any other kind of time-saving technology. Like word processors. Or dishwashers. Or calculators.

I prefer to put my time to more productive purposes. Like browsing reddit. Or daydreaming. Or decorating cookies.

I've had a similar argument about technology with my brother. It ended when I back-handed him across the mouth with my abacus.

Foxglove wrote:Why would people *not* use a script if it provides useful information?!

I try to put as little effort as possible into doing repetitive, boring tasks - particularly tasks that can be accomplished more quickly and with less room for error by code! Counting territories taken in a foggy game log doesn't require thinking, it just requires time. I would suppose people who claim to dislike side stats are also the same type of people who eschew any other kind of time-saving technology. Like word processors. Or dishwashers. Or calculators.

I prefer to put my time to more productive purposes. Like browsing reddit. Or daydreaming. Or decorating cookies.

I've had a similar argument about technology with my brother. It ended when I back-handed him across the mouth with my abacus.

technology rocks no need to invent/discover again wheels for better deals.

hey hey my my, rock and roll can never die, there is more to the picture, than meets the eyeplaying games with me ? smells like meeting the death...