self-defense guns: Russian style

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yes, all those are considered "traumatic pistols" here :evil:, legal to carry once you have license from local police

the smaller one fires 9mm rubber balls with some 40 ft-lbs of muzzle energy and is called "Makarych" :cool: ; the bigger two fire 12 gauge rubber balls from 1 1/3" case with some 70 ft-lbs of muzzle energy
The two-barreled abomination of the shotgun is called "Hauda" (apparently, from the british empire-days Howdah guns ;)), and the pump-action (which has 5+1 capacity) is called "Terminator" :evil:

Good pics. We may ALL soon be moving to Rusia. Looks like you have more firearms freedom than we will!:(:(:(

BHP FAN

November 6, 2008, 10:52 AM

I like that Howda,looks like Mad Max's gun!

JonF

November 6, 2008, 11:33 AM

We have such guns here and they're called 'Airsoft'. :)

Acera

November 6, 2008, 11:55 AM

Pretty soon we will only be able to shoot ammo with rubber balls!

If I remember correctly, we can't do that now, if it has a powder propellant.

I know someone here has that little piece of BATF legislation handy.

JImbothefiveth

November 6, 2008, 03:26 PM

Can Russians carry real guns with police permission, or just those?

max popenker

November 6, 2008, 04:23 PM

Can Russians carry real guns with police permission, or just those?
real HANDguns - no :(
but at least we can own real shotguns and rifles, for home defense and hunting.

B yond

November 7, 2008, 12:40 AM

1. Are these projectiles powered by gunpowder?
2. Are these weapons considered firearms in America?
3. Are these weapons importable into America?
4. How much damage does that rubber ball do to a human?
5. What do these things cost?
6. How loud is it when fired?
7. What is the effective range?
8. Why didn't you post more pictures?

Kind of Blued

November 7, 2008, 03:55 AM

Can you just carry rocks in your pocket instead?

max popenker

November 7, 2008, 05:17 AM

1. Are these projectiles powered by gunpowder?
2. Are these weapons considered firearms in America?
3. Are these weapons importable into America?
4. How much damage does that rubber ball do to a human?
5. What do these things cost?
6. How loud is it when fired?
7. What is the effective range?
8. Why didn't you post more pictures?
1. yes, they use gunpowder, and some inventive people here already do reload: that is, unload factory ammo, make new powder load (pssst, no one says 'hotter load', that's big no-no :)) and load it again carefully.
2. i believe they do
3. probably yes, if anyone will be willing to do so
4. well, 9mm ball can make a big sking bruise, and 12ga ball or 18mm slug can, at short ranges and with light clothing, break the bone (rib, for example)
5. local prices vary from about $250 and up to about $1000
6. sounds like .22 or .25 handgun to me, unless you use 18mm gun with flash-bang rounds, which sound as a .300 WinMag with short barrel :)
7. i believe 5-6 meters is reasonable maximum range
8. well, I'll see to it ;)

gvass

November 7, 2008, 05:32 AM

The american guys can not understand these I think.
:-)

These non-lethal CIVILIAN guns make so BIG difference from defending yourself with bare hands. These "guns" represents so big step towards freedom...Until the collapse of CCCP, even learning karate or judo was punishable with prison sentence in Sovietunion!

And these devices are pretty effective agains unarmed attackers. I'll choose a Makarych 10x22T any day against a .25 ACP pistol, or a knife.

max popenker

November 7, 2008, 06:45 AM

even learning karate or judo was punishable with prison sentence in Sovietunion!
that's not entirely true. Indeed there were times when karate was made illegal, but judo, sambo, box etc were always considered good prorts here; and one must remember that DOSAAF organization has sponsored free shooting training for kids and adults ;)

B yond

November 10, 2008, 01:18 AM

The american guys can not understand these I think.
:-)

Some of us understand just fine. Defense is defense. Use the best tools available.

Evil Monkey

November 10, 2008, 01:59 AM

You know, I'm surprised that after all the crap Russians have dealt with with during the Soviet Era, the Russian people haven't yet had freedom the way the US has regarding firearms after the collapse of the USSR.

What the hell's going on?

BHP FAN

November 10, 2008, 02:06 AM

we all of us defend ourselves with the best methods available to us...it's a basic human right.

DAVIDSDIVAD

November 10, 2008, 02:15 PM

whoa, that's pretty cool, Max.

I'm going to be in Balakovo this winter.

any possibility the local police would issue one of these to a big old mexican guy visiting his girlfriend?