Apparently, its been assumed that Sulfuric Acid was necessary for clouds to form, and that more Sulfur Dioxide in the atmosphere means more clouds during the industrial era. Therefore, man made clouds of cooling have kept man made gas of heating in check has been the assumption until now: meaning, all of the climate change related computer models assumed there was less clouds in the past, and these computer models have been the basis for basically all of the reports related to Global WARM-mongering.

Could there be a link between galactic cosmic rays and cloud formation? An experiment at CERN is using the cleanest box in the world to find out.

The Cosmics Leaving Outdoor Droplets (CLOUD) experiment uses a special cloud chamber to study the possible link between galactic cosmic rays and cloud formation. Based at the Proton Synchrotron (PS) at CERN, this is the first time a high-energy physics accelerator has been used to study atmospheric and climate science. The results should contribute much to our fundamental understanding of aerosols and clouds, and their affect on climate.

Now fast forward to 2016, after years of the scientists there beating this CLOUD chamber to death:

“The results not only point to a cloudier past, but they also indicate a potentially cooler future: If Earth’s climate is less sensitive to rising carbon dioxide (CO2) levels, as the study suggests, future temperatures may not rise as quickly as predicted.” – Judith Curry

CERN’s CLOUD Experiment recently published three new papers:
– Ion induced nucleation of pure biogenic particles
– The role of low-volatility organic compounds in initial particle growth in the atmosphere
– New particle formation in the free troposphere: A question of chemistry and timing.

Earth’s climate may not warm as quickly as expected, suggest new cloud studies

All the researchers stress sulfuric acid is still a major contributor to cloud formation on Earth today. “Today the purely plant-based pathway is much less important than it was preindustrially,” Kirkby explains.

Crucially, however,the result means climate modelers can’t assume that the ancient past was much less cloudy simply because there was less sulfur dioxide. If ancient cloud cover was closer to today’s levels, the increase in the cloud-cooling effect due to human pollution could also be smaller—which means that Earth was not warming up so much in response to increased greenhouse gases alone.

In other words, Earth is less sensitive to greenhouse gases than previously thought, and it may warm up less in response to future carbon emissions, says Urs Baltensperger of the Paul Scherrer Institute, who was an author on all three papers.

He says that the current best estimates of future temperature rises are still feasible, but “the highest values become improbable.” The researchers are currently working toward more precise estimates of how the newly discovered process affects predictions of the Earth’s future climate.

Molecules released by trees can seed clouds, two experiments have revealed. The findings, published on 25 May in Nature1, 2 and Science3, run contrary to an assumption that the pollutant sulphuric acid is required for a certain type of cloud formation — and suggest that climate predictions may have underestimated the role that clouds had in shaping the pre-industrial climate.
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In addition to releasing carbon dioxide, burning fossil fuels indirectly produces sulphuric acid, which is known to seed clouds. So, climate scientists have assumed that since pre-industrial times, there has been a large increase in cloud cover, which is thought to have an overall cooling effect by reflecting sunlight back into space. And they have assumed that this overall cooling effect has partially masked the climate’s underlying sensitivity to rising carbon dioxide levels.
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Until recently, atmospheric scientists thought that only sulphuric acid vapour, which can be produced by volcanic emissions or by burning fossil fuels, could trigger this process. As a result, it was thought that pre-industrial skies were somewhat less cloudy than present ones because they contained less of this pollutant, says Kirkby.

In any case, I gotta say: Here in Central FLorida, last summer was the wettest on record. This winter I read that last year was the hottest on record (like everywhere). I know for a fact “Fall” here was… as Fall never even happened (I’m being dead serious here)!

There wasn’t a single cold front for some 8 or more months leading straight into New Years (not one!). It was 99 degrees on Dec. 29th! Hot and dry scorcher of a Fall… Hot and dry year so far (okay, it was cold in Jan.).

I mean HOT. I grow rare exotic plants for a living, and am more in tune with the climate than just about anybody. I have to be, and yet despite this, and being as hardcore a hard worker could be, despite constantly attempting to ‘bullet proof’ my op for the wild climate here… because of the climate almost specifically, I’ve still lost over $100,000 in the past year exactly, as a result of this extreme climate I’ve been perceiving / experiencing. Hope it cools down the next couple years, or I might have to start ALARMING too…

However… if you’ve ever spent an entire year down here, to suggest there were far less clouds in the past, then this place would have been a desert when Christopher Columbus showed up!

Al this climate talk have one thing leading it. A dream machine. It will give owners untold power. By creating laws undreamed of before. In the end the air you inhale will be subjected to a permit. To start this machine require followers willing to kill. This army today is alive and kicking. Not bothered with daily nonsense like work.

Defiant

An IOTA of common sense (and the various email and college scandals) should ALREADY have told us that “man made global warming” is just BUNKUM.

Hypertiger

this is what it’s all about

In 2015, a new model of the solar cycle was published. The model draws on dynamo effects in two layers of the Sun, one close to the surface and one deep within its Convection zone. Model predictions suggest that solar activity will fall by 60 per cent during the 2030s to conditions last seen during the ‘Little ice age’ that began in 1645. Prior models included only the deeper dynamo.[84]

The model features paired magnetic wave components. Both components have a frequency of approximately 11 years, although their frequencies are slightly different and temporally offset. Over the cycle, the waves fluctuate between the Sun’s northern and southern hemispheres.[84]

The model used principal component analysis of the Magnetic field observations from the Wilcox Solar Observatory. They examined magnetic field activity from solar cycles 21-23, covering 1976-2008. They also compared their predictions to average Sunspot numbers. The model was 97% accurate in predicting solar activity fluctuations

Hypertiger

1941 to 1971 = Spring
1971 to 2001 = Summer

71 twin towers up…nasdaq turned on

2000 NASDAQ hit y2k singularity then collapsed down into 9/11 2001

Indian summer is a period of unseasonably warm, dry weather that sometimes occurs in autumn in the Northern Hemisphere. The US National Weather Service defines this as weather conditions that are sunny and clear with above normal temperatures, occurring late-September to mid-November. It is usually described as occurring after a killing frost

9/11 = killing frost

2001 to 2008 = Indian summer

1941 to 1971 = Spring
1971 to 2001 = Summer
2001 to 2031 = fall

2031 = beginning of winter

Model predictions suggest that solar activity will fall by 60 per cent during the 2030s to conditions last seen during the ‘Little ice age’ that began in 1645. Prior models included only the deeper dynamo.

2021 = beginning of late fall early winter

SemiMike

Mostly nonsense on all sides of this question, as the models are wrong but may be useful to get governments prepared to MIGRATE PEOPLE a few hundred miles North for a few decades, then maybe further North..or South depending on geoengineering maniacs. Like Fox News…just scare people and see what happens. Better than boring them with good news.