Tuesday, November 15, 2016

For years, whenever Jews and Muslims engaged in dialogue and activism together, it usually concerned — or foundered — on one issue: the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. With Donald Trump’s ascent to the presidency, that appears to be changing. Regardless of what’s happening across the ocean, Jews and Muslims in the United States are joining together to fight for shared domestic concerns.

“It is a perhaps growing recognition that [the Israeli-Palestinian conflict] cannot define how American Jews and American Muslims relate to one another,” said Rabbi David Fox Sandmel, the Anti-Defamation League’s director of interreligious engagement. “The shared concerns we have about prejudice, about bias, about threats of violence, about disenfranchisement — these are the kinds of things that can bring us together.”

On Monday, the American Jewish Committee and the Islamic Society of North America launched the Muslim-Jewish Advisory Council, a group of religious and business leaders from both communities who will help draft domestic policy legislation and advocate on issues of shared concern.

From Infogalactic: For the most part, the invasion of the Moors was welcomed by the Jews of Iberia. Both Muslim and Catholic sources tell us that Jews provided valuable aid to the invaders. Once captured, the defense of Córdoba was left in the hands of Jews, and Granada, Málaga, Seville, and Toledo were left to a mixed army of Jews and Moors. The Chronicle of Lucas de Tuy records that "when the Catholics left Toledo on Sunday before Easter to go to the Church of the Holy Laodicea to listen to the divine sermon, the Jews acted treacherously and informed the Saracens. Then they closed the gates of the city before the Catholics and opened them for the Moors."

White Christian Americans helped establish and fund and defend Israel. And this is the gratitude they receive? This is the thanks they get? ANOTHER Jewish-Muslim alliance against them in their own country? It's not as if Americans don't know who opened the gates in 1965.

Guess what's likely to come of this sort of behavior. Come on, just one guess. And what sort of bizarre, ahistorical logic do people whose single metric is "is it good for the Jews" use to conclude that this behavior is, somehow, going to be good for the Jews? Epic stupidity doesn't even begin to describe this.

My impression is that many Jews in the US would choose to be gassed over giving up leftist politics. VD thinks it is about the tribe rather than ideology, but in this particular case it may well be otherwise. The explanation I heard is that in the non-religious ones the Messianic streak present in all finds its outlet in intense leftist politics. Maybe so, maybe not, but the fact remains, many of those folks won't give up leftist politics even if it kills them.

@4: Interesting argument. The Israelis are Jewish, yes...but also a nation unto themselves. I get the impression that a significant number of American Jews, particularly on the Left, would not be able to cope over there.

What level of cognitive dissonance does THAT require? These people are idiots. Why would you ally yourself with an evil, sadistic group of megalomaniacal zealots that wants nothing more than to see you, your family, and everyone you know dead and burned to ash? Geez, Muslims are morons.

Well, Americans too are fractured into at least two tribes that are barely a step below open warfare between each other. Jews dun fucked up Christians in Christian lands, yet Americans did no less harm to themselves and others.

The point is, not every Jew in Israel is perfectly happy to just suck America dry, probably not even the majority, yet they will suffer due to non-Israeli Jewish actions from the other side of the globe.

Like Russians were used as unwilling slave soldiers by Judeo-Bolsheviks in the Civil and Winter wars, yet Finns are terrified of and probably wish for disappearance of Russians, not Odessa city Jews or the like.

Not sure how relevant this is, but I saw a video of interviews with Orthodox Jews in Israel who all agreed that they had more in common with Muslims than with Christians. They mentioned not being allowed to enter Churches because Christians worshipped an "idol", while entering Masjids was Ok due to a common concept of monotheism shared by muzzies and Jews.

As much as Americans might want to believe this is strictly a leftist Jews in America thing, it sure does seem to me to have a religious component that applies to diaspora Jews as well as Israelis.

I also tend to think it's about tactics most useful depending on location. Making alliances in your homeland where you need to retain a majority makes little sense, but makes a lot of sense in the diaspora where you have no chance of being in a majority.

Very adaptable people those Jews are. Even if they shoot themselves in the foot this time, I give them credit for a game well played.

All the minorities, blacks, women, LGBT, muslims, etc. are the stormtroopers for the coming Jewish reign. It is about destroying any nation's homogeneity. And Jews and Muslims are both a Semitic people; they are kissing cousins. For those that want to understand the Jewish goal: Judeo-Masonic-Bolshevism.

Yes, hundreds of thousands of WASPs died ending Nazi Germany, and they repay the WASP by instigating the 1965 Immigration Act which was about inviting the whole world into America: the 1965 Immigration Act was about instituting genocide by ethnic dilution. This must be fought!

Die Fledermaus wrote:Israelis and American Jews are NOT the same nation. This is simply another step in the gradual dropping of the pretense that we are.Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the population of Israel majority Mizrahic, while the Jewish population of America is primarily Ashkenazic?

I mean, they literally are not the same nation. Unless my memory is mistaken. I know, I know, Ashkenazi dominate political life in Israel, but not because they make up the majority of the population.

As much as Americans might want to believe this is strictly a leftist Jews in America thing, it sure does seem to me to have a religious component that applies to diaspora Jews as well as Israelis.

Since the same thing was true in Europe before the USA existed, that seems likely.

Most Americans, being historically ignorant, assume it's natural for Christians and Jews to ally against Muslims, but that's a historical happenstance of the late 20th century, nothing inevitable about it.

@9 I'm not sure If I care enough to explain why your analogy is as bad as could possibly be. Anyhow, if you wanna come at MY nation on MY land, well, good luck. You might succeed, you might fail, but trust me, the price you'll pay would make you wish you haven't tried.

@10 As I've posted on previous discussions, we basically do not have common geography, religion, skin color, language or political interests. We have a partially common, continuously loosening, genetic background. That's it.

@20 That's a theological assessment and has little to do with reality. Israel allied with Lebanese Christians (until it pulled out and betrayed them...). Do you think the Christians cared what the Jewish stance is on entering churches? And most secular Jews don't even think about the prohibition.

I don't care that Christians think non-believers are going to hell (obviously, many Jews do care, way too much). Isn't that a fair characterization of the Christian position? Going to hell vs refuse to enter places of worship. Do we really need to show who's concerned more about this kind of thing?

I can tell you most gays think cowardly low IQ moslems will fight well armed Christians instead of going after easy targets like gay bar bathrooms. That is the message jewish lesbian Soros cheerleaders put out.

I get the impression that a significant number of American Jews, particularly on the Left, would not be able to cope over there

I imagine its pretty hard to jew other jews in Israel. If any nation could develop a defense against it Israel would.

I'm convinced that Jews are genetically programmed for passionate religious belief. Secular Jews just switched from Judaism to Progressivism. That belief system has become the shared values that unite them with anyone else holding leftist views. Of course we all know how this movie will end...

Make for a better alliance...today. I don't know much at all about the history of Spain and the Moors. Something I should look into. The Jewish perfidy (as you see it) did work for a long time, as you know. Until it didn't. Before there was America, there was Moorish Spain. Which Jews historically remember as a Golden Age. Obviously, the payback was a bitch. And expulsion makes a lot more sense now. The royal court was not going to take the time to assess the loyalty of tens or hundreds of thousands of Jews. Sort of like the situation America likely finds itself in today with its own uppity minorities.

@24 - LOL! Absolutely. My parents are late 80s, and pretty dyed-in-the-wool Dems. I talked with them the other night; I've learned that I need to tip-toe around politics with them very gently, as they are kind of triggered by any sort of disagreement at all. When my dad agreed with my assessment of Trump's win (cautiously optimistic) my jaw just about hit the floor. If even he thought Clinton was a horribly bad choice, and could agree that if "popular vote" was what would win they they would have both run very different campaigns to reflect that, then The Donald is about as close to the second coming as any mortal can be.

Still a bumpy ride ahead, but at least it's not like strolling through a NBC-filled high-density minefield.

@Shimshon you're right. That was a theological assessment, and likely an extremely bad one at that since I really don't know anything about it. But assuming those interviewed represented a somewhat popular opinion, it goes beyond theology because the question was about who they felt they had more in common with. The part about being allowed to visit others' temples was a side note.My "knowledge" of Jews and Judaism comes almost exclusively from more conspiratorial sources which I take with a grain of salt, so I'm not going to say too much. I assume those views will be well represented in this thread without me :-)

Deadmau5 Patton wrote:As much as Americans might want to believe this is strictly a leftist Jews in America thing, it sure does seem to me to have a religious component that applies to diaspora Jews as well as Israelis.

Historically, Jews have had it worse in the Christian lands than in Muslim ones, possibly due to certain aspects of particular religious involved, but that was then, and this is now. The privileges and even trust Jews have attained in the US is like nothing they have ever had anywhere, so politics may well be more relevant than religion or even tribal identity nowadays, at least among the more secular ones.

Umso, it looks like there is more evidence pouring in to back up my theory that Jews and Muslims get along swimmingly except for Israel.

Until Israel came along recently, Jews and Muslims were always united against Christianity. And, I still think that Talmudic Kabbalistic Jews wrote the Koran and invented Islam as a sort of military adjunct to Judaism way back in the 7th Century and it worked swell until the 20th Century when Israel complicated the relationship.

And, furthermore, it makes sense that Christians would support modern Israel because it does in fact throw a monkey wrench in the Jew-Muslim relationship.

@41 Both politics and business interests. They've developed some mighty powerful networks that would be stupid to give up, though it seems like the trust you mentioned is being withered away, and this example is obviously a big indicator of that.As far as I read,the comments on the main article seemed near unanimous in their rejection of this muz/jew alliance. At least some in the general public see how stupid it is.

Shimshon wrote:@20Do you think the Christians cared what the Jewish stance is on entering churches? And most secular Jews don't even think about the prohibition.

Personally I have always believed that Jews are going to hell, but it's an unpopular enough a position that I haven't dared voice it until recently. But in its EFFECT, this will have massive consequences because the overwhelming majority of Christians have a spectacularly incorrect idea about where they stand with Jews, and these are the sort of things that will disabuse them of that notion. The dynamic will see massive changes, when Christendom stops thinking that Jews and Christians are religious allies. That has really been the power that the ADL et. al. have wielded. When that power goes away, who knows what consequences it will have.

MFW white people scratch their heads as to why Jews do what they do. It's genetic, no different then when blacks punch out some old white man standing at the bus stop minding his own business. It's just who they are.

I hope Trump is smart enough to surround himself with those that are smart enough to finally checkmate the Jews who have been executing their own power plays, and finally convert them to the attendant position once and for all, ...... said eventuality which would bring most benefit to all.

Trump job one: Bring Jewish power to heel to serve the power of the western ideals.

The pathetic fawning many mainstream "conservative" lavish on the jews brings to mind what someone once said of Soviet-Western relations during the Brezhnev era: They spit in our face and we call it dew.

In case you wonder how it's even possible, considering what the New Testament says on the issue, for Christendom to generally think Jews are going to heaven by virtue of Judasim: It's because of a doctrine called Dispensationalism.

@59: re Ivanka's husband and other Jewish influence among those he has rubbed shoulders with, has done business with, has used to execute certain strategies within his own businesses, and whom his sons also rub shoulders with (even romantically) .......... like I said ..... I hope Trump is smart enough to know what the heck he is doing in this respect. My read is that (at least at this point in his personal history) ..... yes, he is in fact that smart.

@55. "Trump job one: Bring Jewish power to heel to serve the power of the western ideals."

Easier said than done. Trump's win has certainly damaged the credibility and power of the mainstream media. It has accelerated the shift to alternative media.

Nonetheless, Wall Street still owns the Fed (literally). The next key episode will be the coming financial crisis and the response to it. Trump has already called for re-institution of Glass-Steagall, but even further sweeping monetary and financial reforms will be needed.

The dream scenario for a Trump presidency is: 1. build the wall + reduce legal immigration, 2. re-negotiate trade deals, institute tariffs, and bring back jobs, and 3. major monetary and financial reform that re-directs capital into commerce and industry and away from speculation/bubble economy.

Deadmau5 Patton wrote:Not sure how relevant this is, but I saw a video of interviews with Orthodox Jews in Israel who all agreed that they had more in common with Muslims than with Christians. They mentioned not being allowed to enter Churches because Christians worshipped an "idol", while entering Masjids was Ok due to a common concept of monotheism shared by muzzies and Jews.

As much as Americans might want to believe this is strictly a leftist Jews in America thing, it sure does seem to me to have a religious component that applies to diaspora Jews as well as Israelis.

I also tend to think it's about tactics most useful depending on location. Making alliances in your homeland where you need to retain a majority makes little sense, but makes a lot of sense in the diaspora where you have no chance of being in a majority.

Very adaptable people those Jews are. Even if they shoot themselves in the foot this time, I give them credit for a game well played.

Theologically, Jews have more in common with Moslems than with Christians because both faiths are strictly monotheistic and rule-bound. Culturally, Orthodox Jews have more in common with traditional Moslems; e.g., segregation of the sexes and a clear ethical distinction made between members of their religion and those outside of it.

The great Pat Buchanan once described the Democratic Party as "warring tribes in the common pursuit of plunder." This is a marriage of convenience intended to advance the interests of two constituencies at the expense of the core population of the US. Not that they care about the US - they just feed off ofit.

(((Their))) actions are entirely predictable. The overriding goal is to take full control of the wealth and people of the US to enrich themselves and to support Israel (hence the question is always 'is it good for the Jews?')

Anything that furthers this goal in the short term is acceptable.

They plan to deal with the Muslims here after first taking out the real threat: a unified Christian population.

James wrote:Umso, it looks like there is more evidence pouring in to back up my theory that Jews and Muslims get along swimmingly except for Israel.

Until Israel came along recently, Jews and Muslims were always united against Christianity.

And, I still think that Talmudic Kabbalistic Jews wrote the Koran and invented Islam as a sort of military adjunct to Judaism way back in the 7th Century and it worked swell until the 20th Century when Israel complicated the relationship.

And, furthermore, it makes sense that Christians would support modern Israel because it does in fact throw a monkey wrench in the Jew-Muslim relationship.

No James, under Islam Jews were Dhimmi, a persecuted second class citizen. As were Christians for that matter. As a group Sefardi Jews hate Muslims the most, because they or their parents or grandparents lived under the Islamic heel so they know what its like.

Some of Mohammed's earliest victories were against local Jewish tribes in the area of Mecca and Medina. So if inventing Islam was a Jewish plot it fell apart very quickly.

@63 - I generally agree with your assessment (though I am not up to speed enough on the monetary policy aspect to see how best to manage and redirect events towards the sweet spot you mention, in that regards).

But my main point is .... does Trump fully recognize the peculiarities of the Jewish mindset, so as to properly see the most promising strategies needed to bring Jewish power to heel, so as to serve western interests (particulary western cultural interests as underpinned by the western ideals of "egalitarian => meritocracy") first and foremost (which will ultimately be a better way for Jews to serve their own interests, as secondary benefit)? This is a very deep subject, ..... you could say, to some degree ..... even steeped in the peculiarities of the 3 Abrahamic religion and their derivative (and in turn derived) ideologies.

My take on this is that Trump does seem to have an intuitive capacity for the appreciation of the nuances in this regards. Hope I'm not wrong.

@65 "Christianity IS monotheistic. If you don't understand that, you should refrain from commentary." Obviously according to Christians, yes, but a lot of Jews and Muslims don't accept this, and we're talking about how they view Christianity, not Christian theology. A lot of Hindus also consider themselves monotheistic too, yet very few non-Hindus do.

@61 Markku, not all dispensationalist think that. Under the current dispensation of grace, Jews who do not accept Christ do not have eternal life. But I know there are a lot of whack job evangelicals and dispensationalist who think otherwise. I'm not a proponent of covenant theology either, but as I understand it, covenant theology doesn't allow the Jew without Christ a pass either. We are all doomed without Christ according to Romans 3.

Shimshon wrote:Make for a better alliance...today. I don't know much at all about the history of Spain and the Moors. Something I should look into. The Jewish perfidy (as you see it) did work for a long time, as you know. Until it didn't. Before there was America, there was Moorish Spain. Which Jews historically remember as a Golden Age. Obviously, the payback was a bitch. And expulsion makes a lot more sense now. The royal court was not going to take the time to assess the loyalty of tens or hundreds of thousands of Jews. Sort of like the situation America likely finds itself in today with its own uppity minorities.

At least your honest about ignorance. Their betrayal got them roughly 300 years as the bankers for the Muslim slave trade in Spain. First of two massacres in Cordoba of Jews by muslims was in 1013. They were trusted by neither side because of the betrayal and the Muslims did what they always do to wealthy non-believers living amongst them.

Maybe so, but that doesn't mean it isn't happening. Many Jews have already allied themselves with Muslims tacitly via the Democratic Party. People have already scratched their heads in recent years, asking, "Why do so many American/European Jews support importing more Muslims into their countries? It doesn't make sense."

This comprehensive comparison of Israeli and American jews explains it very well.

The presence of a jewish ethnostate strongly draws righ-wing jews from other nations, leaving the majority in those nations as leftists.http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2016/08/IsraelEssay_static_ideology640px.png

I genuinely do not understand why our opponents continue to choose to lump so many people together that we are by far the strongest tribe in the world. Why attack a tribal identity before it exists, forging one that is destined to defeat them?

@79, Historically, the Muslims almost always treat Christians better than Jews. Orthodox were used as diplomats throughout the Middle East for decades. Pretty sure that Jews weren't. Islam contains several exhortations to outright kill Jews; not so Christians.

I can only imagine that Jews obsess over the one-ness of God, and eating pork, and forget little details like the fact that Muslims kill them.

The educated Americans might but the vast majority of society does not.

"They sound like terrorist organizations to me."

@14 CAIR has links to Islamic terrorist groups. Why the FBI has yet to take them down is beyond me.

"To finance a halal Ping Pong Pizza at no interest?"

@19 Don't you mean halal kosher?

"The privileges and even trust Jews have attained in the US is like nothing they have ever had anywhere, so politics may well be more relevant than religion or even tribal identity nowadays, at least among the more secular ones."

@41 Why would they slit their own throats then with this nonsense?

"Just under a year ago Jonathan Pollard, Traitor was released."

@44 I'm still pissed about that one. He should've rotted in jail for the rest of his life. It's an open secret that the Israelis would've sold anything they couldn't have made use of.

Muslims drink at the fountain of Christian suffering. It fills their vacant souls with the cries of the innnocents. If Jews can somehow redirect the deep hatred of them against the yts, then all the better for them.

Just like World War II -- Americans bled and died to save the Jews and their "gratitude" consisted of working tirelessly to push through measures, within 15-20 years, designed specifically to eradicate the very American nation that had just saved their sorry asses and gave those living within US boundaries historically unprecedented rights in the West.

These sand folk seem to be our enemies, by inexorable genetic inclination. Extend the hand of friendship to them and they'll stick a poisoned needle into your wrist as they grasp said extended hand with an insincere grin.

I've struggled for a long time with accepting that the Jews are just as hostile to Europeans as the Muslims. This particularly in light of their seeming hatred for one another. However, the Jew seems to always open the back door to the Mohammedin fanatic. IIRC they also betrayed the Byzantines and aided in the Islamic conquest of Byzantium.

I've been forced to the conclusion that the Semites will inevitably band together against the White man despite their violent disagreements. It reminds me of Frodo's observation in "The Return of the King" after the hobbits witness the fight between two different breeds of orc:

"Orcs have always behaved like that, or so all tales say, when they are on their own. But you can’t get much hope out of it. They hate us far more, altogether and all the time. If those two had seen us, they would have dropped all their quarrel until we were dead."

No James, under Islam Jews were Dhimmi, a persecuted second class citizen. As were Christians for that matter. As a group Sefardi Jews hate Muslims the most, because they or their parents or grandparents lived under the Islamic heel so they know what its like.

The Ottomans brought in Jews, many from Spain, to help run and administer Greece. Greek families were subject to the "child tax", but Jewish ones were not.

Deadmau5 Patton November 15, 2016 4:05 PM@65 "Christianity IS monotheistic. If you don't understand that, you should refrain from commentary." Obviously according to Christians, yes, but a lot of Jews and Muslims don't accept this, and we're talking about how they view Christianity, not Christian theology. A lot of Hindus also consider themselves monotheistic too, yet very few non-Hindus do.

Thank you, Deadmau. You are correct - Christians see themselves as monotheistic, but Jews and Moslems don't. That's what we are discussing.

White Christian Americans helped establish and fund and defend Israel. And this is the gratitude they receive? This is the thanks they get?

Get a grip Vox, and use your data analysis skills. Figure out that the Europeans purged the Jews and the Arabs precisely because both were involved in finding and selling blue eyed virgin sex slaves to the Caliphs through the Umayyad dynasty in North Africa and Southern Spain, aka Golden Age Andalusia.

I read that exact passage on info galactic as well as the wikipedia version, when debating about why Christians started purging Jews whenever something bad happened to Christians by Muslims in the ME back during the medieval periods.

As for white Christians, Christians Period helped the state of Israel be created because it's in the Old Testament prophecies. Or have you forgotten those by now VD. And that is precisely why the Jews who follow Lucifer in the US are aligned against the Jews in Israel who follow something that is beginning to look like Jesus Christ's sermon on the mount.

For a self proclaimed Christian Nationalist, VD, your grasp of Jewish politics in the Old and New Testaments, as well as the Modern American Jewry and the State of Israel, is in need of an upgrade.

As for white Christians, Christians Period helped the state of Israel be created because it's in the Old Testament prophecies.

They better learn to read their Bibles then. The new Israel is the Christian Church. There is no longer a Jewish religion and the OT prophecies are fulfilled in the person of Jesus Christ. Christians should know that.

vox day quit this nonsense.normally you don't post bs.i did research at my university on Jews in Christian Iberia. you are completely wrong to blow Jewish participation in the Islamic conquest of Spain out of proportionin 711 it may be apocryphal.and the "jewish" combatants against christians were just militias defending citiesJews faithfully served Iberian Christian kingdoms from the 11th century onward including financial and direct military support for Reconquista.Look up The Sephardic Frontier by Jonathan Ray. The majority of western Jews are leftists in part because rightists shat all over them from the Enlightenment onward.Also put the damn visual editor on Infogalactic.

If the Jews of Israel are the 'good Jews', explain to me why they permit homosexuality, and Tel Aviv is one of the world's most friendly vacation spots (despite God's description of such activities as an abomination).

Didn't Orthodox Jews vote overwhelmingly for Trump? Doesn't that suggest that liberal American Jews are motivated by something other than simple Jewish tribal loyalty?

And why do so many American secular Jews like Soros hate Israel so much?

Globalists are motivated by loyalty to a tribe but their tribe is the globalist tribe. White gentile globalists are every bit as bad as Jewish globalists. Globalists are the enemy, not Jews. If they're Jewish globalists they're the enemy. If they're white gentile globalists they're the enemy.

Class is more important than race. Unfortunately only the globalist elite class (the new aristocracy) seems to understand this.

Donald Trump understands this. That's why he won. Unite the working class and the lower middle class and you have a chance of defeating the elite class.

SJWs are wannabe elites. They just haven't figured out that the elite class despises them as useful idiots.

On Monday morning, dozens of Israelis lined up outside the U.S. Embassy here to acquire American travel documents. While the embassy does not provide official numbers about applications, guards outside the building said some 600 to 700 people were coming from throughout the country every day — in other words, business as usual.

About a dozen Israelis spoke to JTA as they left the embassy's sprawling beachside compound, many clutching new passports or visas.

Being familiar with Israel’s fragmented politics, they were not completely shocked by Trump’s divisive rise. Though some voiced concern about his experience and temperament, all agreed that the former reality TV star would likely do a better job than President Barack Obama had of protecting the interests of Israel and the Jews, which they did not seem to distinguish.

“I think we’ve heard the real voice of what’s happening in the U.S.," said Rachel Baram, a 39-year-old Israeli-American manager at a web development company who was renewing her U.S. passport ahead of an upcoming business trip to Orlando, Florida. "After the shock, I’m kind of optimistic. I think Trump could get things done because he’s not an idealist....

Baram said Trump appealed to so many Americans partly because the left pushed its agenda too hard under Obama — just as Israelis did in trying to make peace with the Palestinians.

"It’s the same right-left issues we have here," she said. "The left bullies people, and it creates resentment.

Well the SJW infected media is quadrupling down on their narrative but they keep stumbling in indecision over which is the more debilitating label for Steve Bannon. White Supremacist or Anti-Semitic? Even listening to ostensibly conservative talk radio like the Joe Walsh show (northern IL), the CNN radio newsblurbs between talk segments are reported with a Bill Curtis-like voice of authority: ..."Harry Reid voices his concern over a dramatic increase in hate crimes since election day....minorities cowering in fear....etc etc......Trump must renounce his appnt of white supremacist sympathizer Steve Bannon..." I tell ya Vox. The alt right is a bit lucky to have won this election. As much as we have gained ground, any non-redpilled swing voter over 50 is still swimming in Hive propaganda. It must be that many simply sensed in their gut it was a now or never moment in our history to stop the Dems.

My wife is half Jewish. She converted to Christianity a number of years back. We talk about the future and what it it may involve. I stress to her that although you can acknowledge and appreciate your Jewish heritage, you are first and foremost a Christian. Keeping this always at the forefront will help to avert a lot of problems.

A bit OT, but here os another skull you can help present to the Supreme Dark Lord. Radio personality Josie Dye (102.1 the Edge (CFNY-FM), Toronto, Canda) started a rant on her 6:00pm show about the Cosby Show (completely ignoring the fact that several have already been exposed as liars), then segueing into a rant about how it is OK to "rob a bank in the US because Donald Trump cheated on his taxes or something.

Now the show is an alternative rock format, which sometimes showcases live acts, and is on no way political or aimed at a political audience (much less an American one).

[quote]"Another establishment that fell on its sword in this election is the American Jewish establishment. Led by the Anti-Defamation League, the American Jewish establishment, including its largest donors, stood almost as one in its support for Clinton. The American Jewish leadership placed their partisan preferences above their communal interests and responsibilities. In so doing they enfeebled the community in a manner that will be difficult to repair....

Jewish Americans are going to have to either oust the leaders of the groups that put their party before their community or establish new organizations to defend their interests. Whatever path is chosen, the process of rebuilding the communal infrastructure the community’s leaders have wrecked will be long, difficult and expensive.

Unlike the American Jewish community, for Israel, the defeat of the American establishment is a positive development..."[/quote]

The article Vox points to can be though of as post-election Exhibit A on all counts. And the TOI article comments section appears to get that.

Still, I can see how stuff like this could start to give Jews a Skittles Problem with a broad section of American Whites. And once things go tribal+, the solution is always that a community must remove and censure its own irritants to relations, in order to restore peace (vid. Anbar Awakening).

I had so hoped there'd be just a few years more time for internal Jewish demographics to do battlespace prep, because that's attacking a fortified position.

But the clock has started.

And the hard truth is, saving America is more important to me than saving them.

OK, please claryfy who - in your oppinion - is "a Jew".Religion? -> no go - there are many declared "atheist Jews".Ethnic? -> u must be joking, right?Genes -> orry, no. Around 90% world Jews are just Khazar nomads.

Jew in this context is whoever Israel considers Jew for purposes of right of return. This doesn't include Messianic Jews. Atheist Jews have the right of return, so atheist Jews are Jews. Hey, don't look at US, we didn't come up with this.

Markku, the Law of Return is overly broad, in that secular Jews decided to let Nazis define who a Jew is (I guess the logic being, if it's good enough for the Nazis...as if that makes any sense). If you have a single Jewish grandparent (and aren't excluded for some other reason), you're in. As the demographic tide tilts ever more right, this will probably be addressed at some point in the not-to-distant future. But it caused all sorts of controversy in the 1970s and 80s ("Who is a Jew").

And believing that Jesus was the Messiah, even if you speak Hebrew fluently, are genetically fully a Jew (not just one of your grandparents) and observe all the same rules of Torah that Orthodox Jews observe, is still one of those "other reasons". It is a 100% grounds for exclusion, no other questions asked. If you deny this, I can introduce you to someone who is in this exact position and has been trying for years.

Markku, I don't deny it, and I applaud the position. You cannot serve two deities. It's the spiritual equivalent of dual loyalty. That person is a Christian. He chose his bed. He's welcome back into the fold when he repents of his apostasy.

No one likes apostates. Not even Jews. But only the Muslims seem to relish killing them.

And for that same reason, the negative things we say about the Jews in these kind of threads, doesn't apply to Messianic Jews. Of course, it is a complete other question if they indeed ARE so, hence the Inquisition 2.0. But if they are genuinely that, then they are not Jews in this context.

Markku, I don't deny it, and I applaud the position. You cannot serve two deities. It's the spiritual equivalent of dual loyalty. That person is a Christian. He chose his bed. He's welcome back into the fold when he repents of his apostasy.

No one likes apostates. Not even Jews. But only the Muslims seem to relish killing them.

... considering, that Jesus came to Jews...IMHO savest definition is:- The Law abiding Jews are now called Christians- The Law-breakers, formerly known as Pharisees, are now known as Jews or Muslim https://infogalactic.com/info/The_Invention_of_the_Jewish_People

johnc wrote:The new Israel is the Christian Church. There is no longer a Jewish religion and the OT prophecies are fulfilled in the person of Jesus Christ.

Since Israel isn't full of Jews who converted to Christianity (yet), the prophecy about returning the Jews to their forefather's land has not been finished. It's in the process though, but humans don't expect things like this to finish in centuries or thousands of years, they expect it to be done by the next time they see Trum say "You're Fired".The Left's strategies take hundreds of years to born fruit. The Lord's strategies might take thousands. None of which are something average humans can easily comprehend.@103I'm not attempting to defend the history of the Jews, all 2000 years of it, which can be summed up as "typical human arrogance". The Jews (the ones who rejected Jesus Christ as their God) believe themselves to be special. But then so does the Alt Right. There's no difference in the supremacy beliefs nor how it motivates humans to fall just as they rise. Americans also believed they were "exceptional".

As for homosexuality, there's a specific reason why God forbids it, and some of that has to do with families (lack of reproduction). Without new souls coming to Earth, many which are stopped by abortion, Lucifer's strategic advantage may never be overturned on the Earth itself or in the spiritual realm. If the Earth creates the spiritual armies for one side or the other, then he who controls the passage and experience of souls on this plane (Planned Parenthood/homosexual decadence) will hold a key strategic advantage over the other side. But then again, the question of why God does anything, isn't something theologians or believers often question or ask about. Perhaps they wouldn't understand it even if they got an answer. The Apostles got their answers from the Holy Spirit, after Jesus Christ was no longer of the physical manifestation bound to death. How many of the faithful, no matter what their denomination, knows how to access the Holy Spirit/Holy Ghost in the same fashion as Peter or Paul? That's an old question for me. If their loyalty to God is as strong as they believe, then they should have been gifted a similar access.

The reason why I say the Jews in Israel are different, is because their military and political tactics are pretty much suicidal by pragmatic or Russian standards. You can't survive for long trading 1000 Palestinian murderers and suicide bombers for the dead bodies of 2 Jews, once in awhile. That attrition doesn't work out right. However, that is the exact same misunderstanding which people back then viewed the Christians as in 33 AD, the followers of Christ. The Jewish clans were split between pro Roman pacifists and collaborators, on the Jewish council, vs the rebels and common folk who wanted a Messiah of King David's line to holy war the Romans across the sea. Perhaps God has a sense of irony and is teaching the sons of man a lesson, since Israel is being driven into the sea by a people as equally fanatical and unwise as the old Jewish clans back in 33 AD, 70 AD, 132AD, and 4 BC.

Due to people's dislike of Bush II, which led to Hussein Obola's rise in the Regime, the FBI is now under partial control of CAIR. CAIR controls how FBI training is done.

It's one of those intended or unintended consequences of voting Demoncrat in the uS, which applies even to the Libertarians or the political neutrals who helped the Leftist alliance by getting rid of cultural barriers.

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