13. Michael Bisping - excels in the ground game; a great scrambler with a fine line in double-leg takedowns ... sorry, tackling.

12. Kenny Egan - still an amateur, so might lose his chance at the Olympics by playing in a professional game. Important to keep him on-tour, rather than in New York.

11. Andy Lee - very upright in terms of his carriage, but no-one likes an out-and-out leftie

10. Joe Calzaghe - undefeated, and the latest in a line of excellent Newport products. Always nice to have a Welsh outhalf.

9. Ricky Hatton - Small, but feisty. Very chinny in the first couple of minutes though - just ask Manny Pacquiao. Lucky that Burger is banned for another couple of days. The tour joker, and all-round lovable rogue.

8. David Haye - as an athlete, he puts even Pierre Spies in the shade. Loves the sh¡t talk as well, so himself and Botha will doubtless put the world to rights through dialogue.

7. Alan Quinlan - a little out of position, but had his finest hour in an Irish jersey as a 7. Should be well rested.

6. Steve Collins - doesn't have the pace of an out and out openside anymore, but the spiritual leader of the Irish contingent. Player's Court Judge.

5. Lennox Lewis - 6'6" with a great reach. As a former world champion, should be able to put up a good show against opposition world champs Botha and Matfield.

4. Trevor Brennan - have to get him sorted out with a disguise, I think he's still banned.

3. Peter Clohessy - still got it. 'Nuff said.

2. Michael Carruth - has added bulk in his retirement. Just like The Beast, originally had the physique of a backrow player; probably more suited to the front row these days.

1. Gary Halpin AKA Flounder - who can forget the double "F*ck You!" bird salute to the Kiwis in RWC95?

8 Irish, 4 English, 3 Welsh

Manager: Silvery haired? Twinkle in his eye? Vastly experienced as both an athlete and a coach at the highest level? Geech? The next best thing, Mick Dowling.

It looks like Hayes or Vickery to start tighthead. (runner up on the bench).

2nd row, as usual has some great options. Backrow is fine.

I wouldn't pick Shane Williams though. I thought he wasn't up to the pace when he was called into the action. It was a mistake to have him on the bench when there were better options in Earls, D'Arcy, Monye and Flutey. Sad to say but he's just not up to it at the moment.

Rogocoko wrote:As much as I hate to say it (I don't like munster)..... Earls probabaly deserves a run-out.... i'd stick luke on the wing... flutey in centre and earls on the bench!

I guess this is the type of post we should accept now that the game has really taken off here. Pure ignorance on a level not seen before. Tell me, what does the fact that Earls plays for Munster have anything to do with this? This is about the Lions, so leave the parachoial bullshit aside. Not to mention the fact that Earls is an Irishman!!! Oh, and I'd imagine it would be the biggest day of his life, but you'd rather take that away from him because he plays for a rival club?

Going on form over the two test matches, Tommy Bowe's place must be in serious threat. He just can't get into the game at all, and the Lions need more from him. Just give Earls a bash there. He would be ripping up trees

13. Michael Bisping - excels in the ground game; a great scrambler with a fine line in double-leg takedowns ... sorry, tackling.

12. Kenny Egan - still an amateur, so might lose his chance at the Olympics by playing in a professional game. Important to keep him on-tour, rather than in New York.

11. Andy Lee - very upright in terms of his carriage, but no-one likes an out-and-out leftie

10. Joe Calzaghe - undefeated, and the latest in a line of excellent Newport products. Always nice to have a Welsh outhalf.

9. Ricky Hatton - Small, but feisty. Very chinny in the first couple of minutes though - just ask Manny Pacquiao. Lucky that Burger is banned for another couple of days. The tour joker, and all-round lovable rogue.

8. David Haye - as an athlete, he puts even Pierre Spies in the shade. Loves the sh¡t talk as well, so himself and Botha will doubtless put the world to rights through dialogue.

7. Alan Quinlan - a little out of position, but had his finest hour in an Irish jersey as a 7. Should be well rested.

6. Steve Collins - doesn't have the pace of an out and out openside anymore, but the spiritual leader of the Irish contingent. Player's Court Judge.

5. Lennox Lewis - 6'6" with a great reach. As a former world champion, should be able to put up a good show against opposition world champs Botha and Matfield.

4. Trevor Brennan - have to get him sorted out with a disguise, I think he's still banned.

3. Peter Clohessy - still got it. 'Nuff said.

2. Michael Carruth - has added bulk in his retirement. Just like The Beast, originally had the physique of a backrow player; probably more suited to the front row these days.

1. Gary Halpin AKA Flounder - who can forget the double "F*ck You!" bird salute to the Kiwis in RWC95?

8 Irish, 4 English, 3 Welsh

Manager: Silvery haired? Twinkle in his eye? Vastly experienced as both an athlete and a coach at the highest level? Geech? The next best thing, Mick Dowling.

Does it matter who we pick? Jenkins and Adam Jones (who got a lot of stick on here but proved that he's a quality player) are defintely out and then it looks like BOD and Roberts are out too so tbh I think it's game over already. I'd probably play Bowe at 13 but he might be out too........regardless of who we play it's going to be a massacre!

It looks like Hayes or Vickery to start tighthead. (runner up on the bench).

2nd row, as usual has some great options. Backrow is fine.

I wouldn't pick Shane Williams though. I thought he wasn't up to the pace when he was called into the action. It was a mistake to have him on the bench when there were better options in Earls, D'Arcy, Monye and Flutey. Sad to say but he's just not up to it at the moment.

go easy on oldschool ronk he is still learning the ropes of rugby i'd say and new support is always welcome, he doesn't understand it takes a special prop to play on both sides of the scrum, it has to be either hayes or vickery starting it will prob be vickery. also to put a winger in centre and putting an inside centre to outside would be suicide especially when you have earls who is a pretty handy outside centre already also as you said flutey is a there and in my opinion is a great player for breaking the game line. it would be great to see darcy and earls play together 1 irish centre out and 2 in. maybe i just have my green goggles on.

It looks like Hayes or Vickery to start tighthead. (runner up on the bench).

2nd row, as usual has some great options. Backrow is fine.

I wouldn't pick Shane Williams though. I thought he wasn't up to the pace when he was called into the action. It was a mistake to have him on the bench when there were better options in Earls, D'Arcy, Monye and Flutey. Sad to say but he's just not up to it at the moment.

go easy on oldschool ronk he is still learning the ropes of rugby i'd say and new support is always welcome, he doesn't understand it takes a special prop to play on both sides of the scrum, it has to be either hayes or vickery starting it will prob be vickery. also to put a winger in centre and putting an inside centre to outside would be suicide especially when you have earls who is a pretty handy outside centre already also as you said flutey is a there and in my opinion is a great player for breaking the game line. it would be great to see darcy and earls play together 1 irish centre out and 2 in. maybe i just have my green goggles on.

I thought I was being easy

If Hook is back I can see him replacing O'Gara on the bench. Shame because O'Gara might have made a better impact if he'd come in in better circumstances.

I just think Shane Williams is a liability at this level at the moment. There are plenty of selection permutations and it would be nice to see Earls getting a start. If necessary, I'd put him on the wing but I can imagine Monye getting picked ahead of him there. I just don't know what will happen.

13. Michael Bisping - excels in the ground game; a great scrambler with a fine line in double-leg takedowns ... sorry, tackling.

12. Kenny Egan - still an amateur, so might lose his chance at the Olympics by playing in a professional game. Important to keep him on-tour, rather than in New York.

11. Andy Lee - very upright in terms of his carriage, but no-one likes an out-and-out leftie

10. Joe Calzaghe - undefeated, and the latest in a line of excellent Newport products. Always nice to have a Welsh outhalf.

9. Ricky Hatton - Small, but feisty. Very chinny in the first couple of minutes though - just ask Manny Pacquiao. Lucky that Burger is banned for another couple of days. The tour joker, and all-round lovable rogue.

8. David Haye - as an athlete, he puts even Pierre Spies in the shade. Loves the sh¡t talk as well, so himself and Botha will doubtless put the world to rights through dialogue.

7. Alan Quinlan - a little out of position, but had his finest hour in an Irish jersey as a 7. Should be well rested.

6. Steve Collins - doesn't have the pace of an out and out openside anymore, but the spiritual leader of the Irish contingent. Player's Court Judge.

5. Lennox Lewis - 6'6" with a great reach. As a former world champion, should be able to put up a good show against opposition world champs Botha and Matfield.

4. Trevor Brennan - have to get him sorted out with a disguise, I think he's still banned.

3. Peter Clohessy - still got it. 'Nuff said.

2. Michael Carruth - has added bulk in his retirement. Just like The Beast, originally had the physique of a backrow player; probably more suited to the front row these days.

1. Gary Halpin AKA Flounder - who can forget the double "F*ck You!" bird salute to the Kiwis in RWC95?

8 Irish, 4 English, 3 Welsh

Manager: Silvery haired? Twinkle in his eye? Vastly experienced as both an athlete and a coach at the highest level? Geech? The next best thing, Mick Dowling.

It looks like Hayes or Vickery to start tighthead. (runner up on the bench).

2nd row, as usual has some great options. Backrow is fine.

I wouldn't pick Shane Williams though. I thought he wasn't up to the pace when he was called into the action. It was a mistake to have him on the bench when there were better options in Earls, D'Arcy, Monye and Flutey. Sad to say but he's just not up to it at the moment.

Hayes or Vickery - That's exactly why I picked Sheridan.

Mirror, Mirror on the Wall who's the greatest player of them all? It is Drico your majesty.

It looks like Hayes or Vickery to start tighthead. (runner up on the bench).

2nd row, as usual has some great options. Backrow is fine.

I wouldn't pick Shane Williams though. I thought he wasn't up to the pace when he was called into the action. It was a mistake to have him on the bench when there were better options in Earls, D'Arcy, Monye and Flutey. Sad to say but he's just not up to it at the moment.

go easy on oldschool ronk he is still learning the ropes of rugby i'd say and new support is always welcome, he doesn't understand it takes a special prop to play on both sides of the scrum, it has to be either hayes or vickery starting it will prob be vickery. also to put a winger in centre and putting an inside centre to outside would be suicide especially when you have earls who is a pretty handy outside centre already also as you said flutey is a there and in my opinion is a great player for breaking the game line. it would be great to see darcy and earls play together 1 irish centre out and 2 in. maybe i just have my green goggles on.

Vickery is special alright!

Mirror, Mirror on the Wall who's the greatest player of them all? It is Drico your majesty.

It looks like Hayes or Vickery to start tighthead. (runner up on the bench).

2nd row, as usual has some great options. Backrow is fine.

I wouldn't pick Shane Williams though. I thought he wasn't up to the pace when he was called into the action. It was a mistake to have him on the bench when there were better options in Earls, D'Arcy, Monye and Flutey. Sad to say but he's just not up to it at the moment.

go easy on oldschool ronk he is still learning the ropes of rugby i'd say and new support is always welcome, he doesn't understand it takes a special prop to play on both sides of the scrum, it has to be either hayes or vickery starting it will prob be vickery. also to put a winger in centre and putting an inside centre to outside would be suicide especially when you have earls who is a pretty handy outside centre already also as you said flutey is a there and in my opinion is a great player for breaking the game line. it would be great to see darcy and earls play together 1 irish centre out and 2 in. maybe i just have my green goggles on.

Vickery is special alright!

i think they will go with vickery based on the fact that he has played more matches than the bull not because he is a better player, i would pick the bull first based on the fact that he is the best lifter we have, plus he gets around the field like a man half his size. if you really think sheridan would be a better option then your rugby knowledge must be limited because moving a prop from 1 side of the scrum to the other is like playing a number 8 on the wing. both sides of the scrum at front row are completely different and would take sheridan weeks to adjust not 1 week

munster#1 wrote:i think they will go with vickery based on the fact that he has played more matches than the bull not because he is a better player, i would pick the bull first based on the fact that he is the best lifter we have, plus he gets around the field like a man half his size. if you really think sheridan would be a better option then your rugby knowledge must be limited because moving a prop from 1 side of the scrum to the other is like playing a number 8 on the wing. both sides of the scrum at front row are completely different and would take sheridan weeks to adjust not 1 week

I'd also not be too keen on Sheridan as he seems to be a walking penno mountain at the moment. But as Vickery was comprehensively outplayed (legally or not, the reffing has been so atrocious I find it hard to believe he was really that poor, if only as I'm going on that midweek game when Jenkins was penalised all first half, the ref moved position in the 2nd and presto, no more pennos!) should he really be starting this game? we do still want to win it...

i don't think Earls should start, I think it's too soon for him. There are reports that roberts may be fit, so if he is, I'd go with him and probably D'Arcy (though that's because I don't like Flutey at all). Hook on the bench with monye (unless Bowe isn't fit & then I'd stick him on the wing).

Oh, and Williams (shane) would be nowhere near the 22. If he has to be in the ground, so be it, but no where near the matchday 22.

It looks like Hayes or Vickery to start tighthead. (runner up on the bench).

2nd row, as usual has some great options. Backrow is fine.

I wouldn't pick Shane Williams though. I thought he wasn't up to the pace when he was called into the action. It was a mistake to have him on the bench when there were better options in Earls, D'Arcy, Monye and Flutey. Sad to say but he's just not up to it at the moment.

go easy on oldschool ronk he is still learning the ropes of rugby i'd say and new support is always welcome, he doesn't understand it takes a special prop to play on both sides of the scrum, it has to be either hayes or vickery starting it will prob be vickery. also to put a winger in centre and putting an inside centre to outside would be suicide especially when you have earls who is a pretty handy outside centre already also as you said flutey is a there and in my opinion is a great player for breaking the game line. it would be great to see darcy and earls play together 1 irish centre out and 2 in. maybe i just have my green goggles on.---------------Vickery is special alright!

i think they will go with vickery based on the fact that he has played more matches than the bull not because he is a better player, i would pick the bull first based on the fact that he is the best lifter we have, plus he gets around the field like a man half his size. if you really think sheridan would be a better option then your rugby knowledge must be limited because moving a prop from 1 side of the scrum to the other is like playing a number 8 on the wing. both sides of the scrum at front row are completely different and would take sheridan weeks to adjust not 1 week

Sheridan has been weeks on tour, and weeks before it, preparing.As a likely bench prop during a tour, he would have practiced both sides or else the coaches don't know what they're doing.

Mirror, Mirror on the Wall who's the greatest player of them all? It is Drico your majesty.