I guess here's my point: You're making a person pay money to lower his average. 2 rounds is not enough to really rate someone on. For him to play intermediate in the situation above, he's probably going to have to play advanced at 1 tournament and realize he's in the wrong division. Even if he thought he should be in Intermediate, he has to play advanced because his rating puts him there. This is almost like reverse sandbagging.

I think that is what I do...I played advanced all year with an 898 rating, reversed 2 divisions.

He should be whereever he feels he is going to be challenged.

So while it is a hypothetical scenario it is based on a real person, no? It just seems like a lot of work to get an 'ok' to play INT when he could play MA1 and then regardless of if he should be there or not he gets a chance to see the talent levels and how they vary from division to division.

Based on a real person. His 1st tournament. Played 950 rated golf on his home course, and said he played above his skill level. He mentioned that he would play Intermediate instead of Rec, and someone said that he couldn't play Intermediate if he wanted to.

It seems like a decision a TD should be able to make, but I understand the pdga not wanting to put the responsibility on the TDs. You are right; it's a ton of work just to get knocked down a division. It's probably much easier to pay money, lower your rating, and play where you should, but it seems that 2 rounds aren't exactly an accurate representation of a person's skill, so placing someone into a division based on this information isn't exactly fair to the competitor.

Furthur wrote:It's probably much easier to pay money, lower your rating, and play where you should, but it seems that 2 rounds aren't exactly an accurate representation of a person's skill, so placing someone into a division based on this information isn't exactly fair to the competitor.

I dunno man, ferretdance just won advanced at Codorus with a 930 rating. ('Course, he's a bad-ass and all heh.)

I think at any tourney I've been at, east coast or west, someone who just shot a lights out tourney like that and tried to come back to MA2... you'd be hearing bagger! and move up! for miles around. Why not play a couple more and see how it goes?

I checked my ratings and based off courses I know and play, I shot well above (up to 965) my rating of (915). On courses I was unfamiliar with, I shot much worse, high 800's to around 930.

I suspect that what he'll have to deal with is that when he plays at home, he'll play well, but if he's on a course he doesn't play, he'll play worse. That's part of just playing better - knowing what to throw where, etc. I found that too often on the courses I didn't know, I'd throw a disc I believed would be right, but it wasn't - I'd get some unpredictable result or I'd think I could hit a space/spot/distance but really couldn't (or went past).

If you shoot 950 anywhere, that's pretty solid golf and you should be able to take that and complete in that division with most people. Dropping back, he'd probably destroy the competition or play down to them.

Furthur wrote:Based on a real person. His 1st tournament. Played 950 rated golf on his home course, and said he played above his skill level. He mentioned that he would play Intermediate instead of Rec, and someone said that he couldn't play Intermediate if he wanted to.

It seems like a decision a TD should be able to make, but I understand the pdga not wanting to put the responsibility on the TDs. You are right; it's a ton of work just to get knocked down a division. It's probably much easier to pay money, lower your rating, and play where you should, but it seems that 2 rounds aren't exactly an accurate representation of a person's skill, so placing someone into a division based on this information isn't exactly fair to the competitor.

I'm feeling you more now. It is more a problem with the system and not the situation. For example a couple fixes...If you did not establish a rating until you have 6 or 10 rated rounds. Or...If the division you played in was not regulated until you had 6 or 10 rated rounds to contribute to your rating.

Furthur wrote:It's probably much easier to pay money, lower your rating, and play where you should, but it seems that 2 rounds aren't exactly an accurate representation of a person's skill, so placing someone into a division based on this information isn't exactly fair to the competitor.

I dunno man, ferretdance just won advanced at Codorus with a 930 rating. ('Course, he's a bad-ass and all heh.)

I think at any tourney I've been at, east coast or west, someone who just shot a lights out tourney like that and tried to come back to MA2... you'd be hearing bagger! and move up! for miles around. Why not play a couple more and see how it goes?

Furthur wrote:Based on a real person. His 1st tournament. Played 950 rated golf on his home course, and said he played above his skill level. He mentioned that he would play Intermediate instead of Rec, and someone said that he couldn't play Intermediate if he wanted to.

It seems like a decision a TD should be able to make, but I understand the pdga not wanting to put the responsibility on the TDs. You are right; it's a ton of work just to get knocked down a division. It's probably much easier to pay money, lower your rating, and play where you should, but it seems that 2 rounds aren't exactly an accurate representation of a person's skill, so placing someone into a division based on this information isn't exactly fair to the competitor.

I'm feeling you more now. It is more a problem with the system and not the situation. For example a couple fixes...If you did not establish a rating until you have 6 or 10 rated rounds. Or...If the division you played in was not regulated until you had 6 or 10 rated rounds to contribute to your rating.