How many threads are you going to make that call out the fans? Or dare I say be allowed to make.

Which is worse, whining or whining about whining? All you do is whine about the "whiners". Do you see the irony?

Yes, the Saints have a more futile history than we do. So do the Lions. Thanks for pointing out that we have it better than some fan bases. But the idea isn't to be the best also-ran, the idea is to win.

How many threads are you going to make that call out the fans? Or dare I say be allowed to make.

Which is worse, whining or whining about whining? All you do is whine about the "whiners". Do you see the irony?

Yes, the Saints have a more futile history than we do. So do the Lions. Thanks for pointing out that we have it better than some fan bases. But the idea isn't to be the best also-ran, the idea is to win.

It's all about attitude. If Saints fans can be so easy and forthcoming and accepting of their losing history, then Jets fans can too.

Not say "Oh Alec Baldwin made fun of the Jets! Why are we so cursed and laughed at? WOE IS US!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How many threads are you going to make that call out the fans? Or dare I say be allowed to make.

Which is worse, whining or whining about whining? All you do is whine about the "whiners". Do you see the irony?

Yes, the Saints have a more futile history than we do. So do the Lions. Thanks for pointing out that we have it better than some fan bases. But the idea isn't to be the best also-ran, the idea is to win.

P.S. I think you have a lot of misguided SOJF in you.

Come on it's true, look at all the whining that goes on around here. One losing season and Woody is the worst owner in sports.

And for those who dare to post something positive, then comes the imbecilic "homer" label.

You just lost any respect I had for you. Are you an idiot or something?

OF COURSE WINNING SEASONS ARE THE MARK OF A GOOD TEAM, YOU DUMBASS. BECAUSE WINNING IS THE NAME OF THE GAME! IF YOU HAVE A WINNING SEASON, THAT'S A GOOD THING.

My God, what a stupid statement.

And as for your Super Bowl statement, doesn't matter when it happened. It still counts.

Thought you were a true Pats fan with knowledge of your team's whole history. You're just a bandwagoner fan who thinks the Pats were created in 2001. Remember Sugarbear Hamilton? Irving Fryar? Tony Eason?

This was a franchise that did not have a winning season until the 1980s. And yet, the Superdome was packed with fans cheering and goofing off (i.e. putting bags on their heads) full of life.

Jets have a more successful history than the Saints. Yet their fans are grumpy whiners who moan and groan all the time.

Saints fans laugh at their inept history and accept it. Jets fans cringe and are embarrassed by it.

Saints attitude and patience paid off with a SB victory

Jets attitude and patience led to more whining.

I believe that's called karma.

The fans of this franchise have been taken for granted for decades. The team was lost for the entire 70s, enjoyed a brief resurgence in the early to mid 80s only to fall back into irrelevance until Parcells came in 1997. Since he left the franchise has been okay-not an embarrassment but nothing special.

What bothers me more then anything else is that good, loyal Jets fans deserve better. Most of us are tired of sharing a stadium with the giants, tired of trading an owner who treated the team like a hobby for another who wants to turn the team into a WWE wrestling promotion. Most of us are tired of the stereotypes about our fan base and the gossip columnists that cover the team.

You just lost any respect I had for you. Are you an idiot or something?

OF COURSE WINNING SEASONS ARE THE MARK OF A GOOD TEAM, YOU DUMBASS. BECAUSE WINNING IS THE NAME OF THE GAME! IF YOU HAVE A WINNING SEASON, THAT'S A GOOD THING.

My God, what a stupid statement.

And as for your Super Bowl statement, doesn't matter when it happened. It still counts.

Thought you were a true Pats fan with knowledge of your team's whole history. You're just a bandwagoner fan who thinks the Pats were created in 2001. Remember Sugarbear Hamilton? Irving Fryar? Tony Eason?

So 9 and 7 with no SBs is the mark of success?

I'm sure that teams like the Pats, Giants and Steelers drill that into their management team.