This is what I don't get about the war-loving, gun-loving, violence loving NRA Aryan Christian Republicans such as yerself Doc. The American War Mongering Republican Christian and their beliefs go completely AGAINST the beliefs of your boy Jesus. Here is an interesting article I pulled -

Jesus Christ is Anti-war

It baffles me that many Christians so willingly support war, and vote for leaders who advocate policies of war, interventionism, and increasing the size of one’s military. As Christians, we are followers of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, who preached a gospel of love, peace, and nonviolence. During the buildup to the Iraq War, Christians, particularly Conservative Christians, were the loudest supporters of a war that Jesus Christ would never had supported.

Even with the election of Barack Obama, who promised to end the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, and cease illegal military operations – the United States still has 30,000 troops in Iraq (and we all know they will not be coming home anytime soon), has escalated the war in Afghanistan, and is conducting a continuous (illegal and unconstitutional) bombing campaigns in Waziristan, Pakistan. More American soldiers have died fighting in Afghanistan under the Obama Administration than the Bush Administration, something the media keeps silent and the American public doesn’t know. One thousand two-hundred and seventy (1,270) soldiers have died since Barack Obama trumpeted an end to the Bush Administration’s reckless military policies (1,853 American soldiers have died in total since the war began in 2001). Yet, despite the increase in deaths, American Christians continue to push and support the war effort.

Jesus Christ lived a life of nonviolence. He preached to turn the other cheek when struck. He taught that those who live by the sword will die by the sword. He disarmed Simon Peter when the Romans came to arrest Him. He said that the peacemakers are true sons of God. These are the teachings and actions of Jesus Christ, the central figure in Christian – the Son of God, it is time that His supposed followers live by His example.

The Moral teachings of Jesus Christ, let alone His life, are incompatible with war – even under the Just War Theory. Christ never fought against His persecutors, even up to His dying breathe on the Cross. Jesus taught us to love our enemies, and to pray for those who oppress us. Jesus is never on anyone’s side when war breaks out. This is something that is hard for Americans to comprehend. Jesus Christ does not support America’s foreign policy, He never has, and He never will. Jesus Christ condemns all wars and violence, thus, He condemns America when we go to war. War is a human construct, a human thing, not something that God Himself takes sides on.

It may be true that during wars, like World War II, that a certain side has chosen a more noble and righteous cause for fighting, but it is still war, it is still violence, it is still destroying human life, it is still destroying God’s creation, and there is not a single verse where Christ even hints at the idea that war and violence are justifiable. As Christians, we are called to a higher law, and that higher law is love, compassion, and mercy. Christians should not revel in the thoughts of war. Christians should never advocate war. Christians should never engage in violence. But right now, many Christians are reveling in thoughts of war, advocating war, and hoping to engage in violence – against Iran. “Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good” (Romans 12:21). Although we are thinking of war, Christ is preaching peace, and stands at the ready to condemn those who seek, and go to war.

No matter how you look at it, war, regardless of which side you are fighting on, is an evil, a scourge so undesirable that anything else is preferable. War breaks families. War destroys nations. Wars take the lives of men, women, sons, daughters, fathers, and mothers. Some Christians will bring Old Testament passages to support war, but Christ condemns these teachings, “You have heard it said, an eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth. But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn him the other also” (Matthew 5:38-39). Any Christian that goes around claiming that God is pro-war is a false prophet, a false teacher of the Gospel who has turned the Prince of Peace into the Prince of Imperialism to justify his nation’s actions. Of course, when you put your country over Christ, then claim allegiance to Christ, whatever your nation does becomes sanctioned by God – and this a false theology.

War breaks the heart of God, and goes against everything that Christ lived, preached, died, and rose again for. As Christians, we are not only to have faith through Christ, but we are called to be Christ-like, walking in His footsteps, and following His light. Christians continue to support war. Christians continue to support governments and nations that engage in war, state-terrorism, and brutal repressions. If Christ arrived in the midst of a battle, and was told that His followers are taking part in the violent conflict that is killing other people, He would deny us. As a Christian, we are called upon to be against all wars, even if our nation is engaging in such a conflict. Christians should remember the life of Jesus Christ, and His iconic teaching from the Sermon on the Mount, “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God.”

"I just want to say one word to you. Just one word. Are you listening? - Plastics." - The Graduate

RoyalDude wrote:This is what I don't get about the war-loving, gun-loving, violence loving NRA Aryan Christian Republicans such as yerself Doc. The American War Mongering Republican Christian and their beliefs go completely AGAINST the beliefs of your boy Jesus. Here is an interesting article I pulled -

A bit naïve this article, of course the world would be a better place, heaven on earth one might say, but that isn't the world we live in.

We humans brought evil into the mix with original sin. some might say it was a conscious decision on our part (Adam)Others might say it we were tricked (Serpent or Eve....or both)

Still others might say its in our nature and we cannot rise above out violent ways without direct help from Christ.

For that you kinda have to believe there is a God or at least one of your understanding, but considering God created the universe he might choose to save your ass, who knows?

The point is the best anyone can do is try to live the life Jesus set as an example...

So peace to everyone, but that doesn't make me stupid so if you are gonna roll the blitzkrieg, well fuck you...

Jesus Christ wrote: “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God.”

Ah Religions, very selective in which parts of the christian philosophy they like and which parts are overlooked...by choice. Tough to take serious when they're so hypocritical. Heck do what ever they want, it's their choice. But don't preach to others...and protect priest they know have done wrong with children. Between gun toting religious folks and those bending kids over the pulpit you'd think they'd run for cover...but no they actually flaunt it

RoyalDude wrote: Some Christians will bring Old Testament passages to support war, but Christ condemns these teachings, “You have heard it said, an eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth. But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn him the other also” (Matthew 5:38-39).

Fred wrote:Ah Religions, very selective in which parts of the christian philosophy they like and which parts are overlooked...by choice. Tough to take serious when they're so hypocritical.

Did he really just call 93% of the world's population "hypocritical"!

OMG Freddy, it's a lot closer to 100% you self-righteous sumbitch!

OMG!!!

You're living in a fantasy sumbitch! if you think Christians represent 93% of the world heck even religion in the western world is a dying concept. You just gotta get out of Abbotsford and travel a little more.

Ever lsitened to this ( it's about 1 hour long ) about the flaws in the "good book" ...you know the one that say thous shall not kill or blessed are the children

Some moron has replaced the official numbers with numbers from a suicide research report, which includes uncertain cases. The official figures for 2011 are 16.5 per 100,000 for men and 6.8 for women. Can't calculate the combined figure, since it should be weighted and I don't have time to look it up, but unweighted it would be 11.8. Will try to fix the wikipedia site when I have time.

Guess the 30th place in the list is for the 2008 WHO figures, but the trend is dropping in Sweden, so that figure was probably slightly higher.

Just have to point out though that most of the figures reported are incorrect. Suicides are heavily underreported, and especially in Catholic and Muslim countries. Do you really believe that there was not a single suicide in eg Jordan and Honduras? Suicide carries a strong social stigma in catholic/muslim countries and therefor the official cause of death tends to be listed as accident, to spare their families. I mean, people who commit suicide aren't even allowed to be buried in hallowed ground according to church tradition.

I do believe most OECD countries give fairly accurate figures (although I'm a bit sceptical of the figures presented by Greece, Mexico and Italy) which is why I thought that comparisson was more relevant than including all the obvious bullshit figures from the highly religious third world. But whatever.

ukcanuck wrote:A bit naïve this article, of course the world would be a better place, heaven on earth one might say, but that isn't the world we live in.

We humans brought evil into the mix with original sin. some might say it was a conscious decision on our part (Adam)Others might say it we were tricked (Serpent or Eve....or both)

Still others might say its in our nature and we cannot rise above out violent ways without direct help from Christ.

For that you kinda have to believe there is a God or at least one of your understanding, but considering God created the universe he might choose to save your ass, who knows?

The point is the best anyone can do is try to live the life Jesus set as an example...

So peace to everyone, but that doesn't make me stupid so if you are gonna roll the blitzkrieg, well fuck you...

Jesus Christ wrote: “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God.”

If it was easy you would just be called a son of a bitch...

So, in other words...Jesus died on the cross for nothing. These are the facts, the Christians of today simply do not practice what Jesus was preaching. If Jesus the extreme socialist came back today, I don't think the Arab Jew would be very happy with his so-called apparent followers who are nothing more than a violent, racist, greedy bunch of pornographic, snuff-film sado-masochists.

"I just want to say one word to you. Just one word. Are you listening? - Plastics." - The Graduate

ukcanuck wrote:A bit naïve this article, of course the world would be a better place, heaven on earth one might say, but that isn't the world we live in.

We humans brought evil into the mix with original sin. some might say it was a conscious decision on our part (Adam)Others might say it we were tricked (Serpent or Eve....or both)

Still others might say its in our nature and we cannot rise above out violent ways without direct help from Christ.

For that you kinda have to believe there is a God or at least one of your understanding, but considering God created the universe he might choose to save your ass, who knows?

The point is the best anyone can do is try to live the life Jesus set as an example...

So peace to everyone, but that doesn't make me stupid so if you are gonna roll the blitzkrieg, well fuck you...

Jesus Christ wrote: “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God.”

If it was easy you would just be called a son of a bitch...

So, in other words...Jesus died on the cross for nothing. These are the facts, the Christians of today simply do not practice what Jesus was preaching. If Jesus the extreme socialist came back today, I don't think the Arab Jew would be very happy with his so-called apparent followers who are nothing more than a violent, racist, greedy bunch of pornographic, snuff-film sado-masochists.

ukcanuck wrote:A bit naïve this article, of course the world would be a better place, heaven on earth one might say, but that isn't the world we live in.

We humans brought evil into the mix with original sin. some might say it was a conscious decision on our part (Adam)Others might say it we were tricked (Serpent or Eve....or both)

Still others might say its in our nature and we cannot rise above out violent ways without direct help from Christ.

For that you kinda have to believe there is a God or at least one of your understanding, but considering God created the universe he might choose to save your ass, who knows?

The point is the best anyone can do is try to live the life Jesus set as an example...

So peace to everyone, but that doesn't make me stupid so if you are gonna roll the blitzkrieg, well fuck you...

Jesus Christ wrote: “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God.”

If it was easy you would just be called a son of a bitch...

So, in other words...Jesus died on the cross for nothing. These are the facts, the Christians of today simply do not practice what Jesus was preaching. If Jesus the extreme socialist came back today, I don't think the Arab Jew would be very happy with his so-called apparent followers who are nothing more than a violent, racist, greedy bunch of pornographic, snuff-film sado-masochists.

No one can practice what Jesus preached, thats the whole point dude. you need his help to live it, so you better start praying