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New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo is signing a tough and sweeping new gun control bill into law late Tuesday.

The bill limits magazines to seven bullets; increases penalties for gun crimes; gives the state more power to take away guns from mentally ill people; and bans semi-automatic rifles and handguns that have a "military-style feature," such as a bayonet lug. The ban goes into effect immediately. People who already own such guns are grandfathered in but must register them with the state.

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo is signing a tough and sweeping new gun control bill into law late Tuesday.

The bill limits magazines to seven bullets; increases penalties for gun crimes; gives the state more power to take away guns from mentally ill people; and bans semi-automatic rifles and handguns that have a "military-style feature," such as a bayonet lug. The ban goes into effect immediately. People who already own such guns are grandfathered in but must register them with the state.

Again my question is who and how are they gonna decide who is and isn't mentally ill?

We all speak of liberty and freedom like we are the only ones that know the truth and the right path. But if we expect everyone to accept and follow our path and to accept our truth and want to force it upon them then that is no longer liberty or freedom. It is slavery. I believe in liberty for all. Regardless of their political views, religion, race, sex, etc.

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The state should not have access to FFL records, but some states long ago became unconcerned with rules. I noted on another thread that WalMart and other retailers have been working with some idiotic governors coalition to maintain electronic gun purchase records. Now that is an abuse I do not care to support. And now that the 4473 is electronic, I wonder if batfe is harvesting and storing the information, in violation of FOPA

Again my question is who and how are they gonna decide who is and isn't mentally ill?

I'm sure a psychiatrist is going to decide whether an individual is mentally ill, or not.

They are likely going to make the determination through a number of psychiatric sessions.

I don't mind watching the OC-Community (tea party 2.0's, who have hijacked the OC-Community) cannibalize itself. I do mind watching OC dragged through the gutter. OC is an exercise of A Right. I choose to not OC; I choose to not own firearms. I choose to leave the OC-Community to it's own self-inflicted injuries, and eventual implosion. Carry on...

Most laws that are passed never have logic behind them. So this does not surprise me as the people for it have no understanding of logic in the first place.

Please, don't take the easy way out. Your enemy is more cunning than you think; they know exactly what they are doing.

I don't mind watching the OC-Community (tea party 2.0's, who have hijacked the OC-Community) cannibalize itself. I do mind watching OC dragged through the gutter. OC is an exercise of A Right. I choose to not OC; I choose to not own firearms. I choose to leave the OC-Community to it's own self-inflicted injuries, and eventual implosion. Carry on...

Please, don't take the easy way out. Your enemy is more cunning than you think; they know exactly what they are doing.

First thing you have said that I agree with. If you want to know what is happening look at history, look at history. There is a reason they are doing what they are doing. America is exceptional because we have been exceptionally free. I am sick and heartbroken at the evil these people intend for our nation.

Seriously, what does decreasing the mag capacity from 10 to 7 do? Flawed logic!

No, it's perfect logic for gun grabbers. Think about it, just how many guns out there have less than 10 rounds? Also just think, it bans ALL of the current 10rd mags that are designed to comply with the current law. That is a ton of potential money for people buying new mags, and it will potentially cut down on mags that LACs have since a bunch likely won't replace all of their mags with new ones (and hell, some might even decide to get rid of their gun).

This is assuming that there isn't a grandfather clause, which I fully expect there to not be.

EDIT: Oh so old ones will be grandfathered, but have to be registered. So they would still get registration and the money from people buying the new mags. And I wouldn't be surprised if some people still decided to get rid of the guns/mags rather than dealing with the hassle of registering them.

Provision for free medical attendance and nursing, for clothing, for food, for housing, for the education of children, and a hundred other matters, might with equal propriety be proposed as tending to relieve the employee of mental strain and worry. --- These matters obviously lie outside the orbit of congressional power. (Railroad Retirement Board v Alton Railroad)

California regularly turns 30 round AR magazines into functioning 10 round magazines. I don't see why you cannot do this with most magazines by either changing the body of the magazine or the follower. Anyone should be able to do it in less than 10 minutes.

No man alive can beat me in a fair fight: It's not fair to chase a man down and beat him.

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California regularly turns 30 round AR magazines into functioning 10 round magazines. I don't see why you cannot do this with most magazines by either changing the body of the magazine or the follower. Anyone should be able to do it in less than 10 minutes.

I'm sure a psychiatrist is going to decide whether an individual is mentally ill, or not.

They are likely going to make the determination through a number of psychiatric sessions.

It is not the "examination" that is troubling, what is troubling is who gets to decide that you need to be examined.

Then there is the issue of a citizen refusing to be examined. A citizen's refusal will be justification for the forced comitment of a citizen. I believe it has happened before, in Virginia perhaps. Does forced comitment occur? Yes. Forced comitment prior to a examination being conducted that would have determined whether or not a citizen warranted comitment.

"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

"Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer" - English jurist William Blackstone.

It is AFAIK original to me. Compromise is failure on the installment plan, particularly when dealing with so intractable an opponent as ignorance. - Nightmare

We all speak of liberty and freedom like we are the only ones that know the truth and the right path. But if we expect everyone to accept and follow our path and to accept our truth and want to force it upon them then that is no longer liberty or freedom. It is slavery. I believe in liberty for all. Regardless of their political views, religion, race, sex, etc.

It is not the "examination" that is troubling, what is troubling is who gets to decide that you need to be examined.

Then there is the issue of a citizen refusing to be examined. A citizen's refusal will be justification for the forced comitment of a citizen. I believe it has happened before, in Virginia perhaps. Does forced comitment occur? Yes. Forced comitment prior to a examination being conducted that would have determined whether or not a citizen warranted comitment.

This is what I am talking about. They can decide or find any reason to declare someone mentally ill for a varied amount of reasons.

We all speak of liberty and freedom like we are the only ones that know the truth and the right path. But if we expect everyone to accept and follow our path and to accept our truth and want to force it upon them then that is no longer liberty or freedom. It is slavery. I believe in liberty for all. Regardless of their political views, religion, race, sex, etc.