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Well lets see, perhaps they understand that there are already tonnes of MMOs out so marketing to the MMO crowd is just an attempt to steal customers from other MMOs and often players return to their old favorites.

Sooooo... just maybe Zenimax understands that their best play is to try to bring people into the MMO genre by way of marketing to all the longtime TES players who are not MMOers but are desktop CRPGers and console players.

Yeah, I have to agree. She just sounds upset because the MMO media sites don't get to play gatekeeper on this one. Too bad for the wannabe publication facistists.

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Wait...Massively wrote something slightly negative about a upcoming AAA MMORPG???

That's a big change...usually it's nothing but positive hype,glowing reviews and then maybe 7 months down the track and the game has obviously lost popularity maybe you'll get a safe,slightly negative look at the game.

If things have changed maybe I should start looking at massively again.

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Originally posted by Arkade99The article is nearly 2 years old. OP is just trolling. Besides, who cares what that guy thinks about the game? I like the game and I"m gonna play it. That's all that matters.

Okay there Massively. The point was they have had a negative attitude towards ESO 2 years ago. The last post here from them was about the Millions Beta Testing + Their not sure on the subscription model.... And that was a lie of course so I posted this.

So you are the one trolling.

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Originally posted by Arkade99The article is nearly 2 years old. OP is just trolling. Besides, who cares what that guy thinks about the game? I like the game and I"m gonna play it. That's all that matters.

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Originally posted by VikingGamer

Well lets see, perhaps they understand that there are already tonnes of MMOs out so marketing to the MMO crowd is just an attempt to steal customers from other MMOs and often players return to their old favorites.

Sooooo... just maybe Zenimax understands that their best play is to try to bring people into the MMO genre by way of marketing to all the longtime TES players who are not MMOers but are desktop CRPGers and console players.

Yeah, I have to agree. She just sounds upset because the MMO media sites don't get to play gatekeeper on this one. Too bad for the wannabe publication facistists.

This has been the problem with Massively for a long time. Yea, every site is going to give reviews based on revenue, that's kind of what a gaming site is. Finding an objective review of a game is nearly impossible, and always has been.

Your last sentence is one I particularly agree with. She seems pissy just because they can't control the level of hype on this game like they do with every other game, and that she has "lost the power" so to speak. The entire thing comes across as "Me no get to control peoples herp derp."

Power hungry people make me sick anyway.

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Originally posted by Arkade99The article is nearly 2 years old. OP is just trolling. Besides, who cares what that guy thinks about the game? I like the game and I"m gonna play it. That's all that matters.

The OP might have posted it to show bias, and it may be 2 years old... but doesn't anyone else think that the tone and content of both, the original and his "necro" update come across like bitter unprofessional dribble from someone in his position as EIC?

At least he didn't spell it "fanbois" but the dude comes across as a bitter amateur.

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I personally won't stop going to Massively just because they might have a negative opinion on a game.

Regarding ESO, they seem to be pretty well balanced, they even have their weekly column Tamriel Infinium by Larry Everett, he just wrote this article 4 days ago and not just some link from 2 years ago. Also IRLJasmine also a Massively member (former as of the end of this week) is also very excited about ESO.

So again Massively has several people that write and they all have different opinions about ESO, I don't condemn a website just because I disagree with a few opinions expressed, if I did that I certainly wouldn't be visiting MMORPG.com since I might've disagreed with certain articles in the past.

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I just noticed was another post talking about them not sure on the subscription model yet their very sure on it... Massively despises ESO proven in this article by the editor-in-chief

http://skycandy.org/2012/06/taking-us-for-granted/

Sum it up Massively did not get a complementary bottle and now their out to cause more harm then good towards ESO.

Perhaps the game really is not as good as you over hyped fans would have us believe and Massively are simply telling the truth, which of course instantly equals something fishy to you because nobody can dislike something you like?

Perhaps Massively are the ONLY ones not paid off to give good previews at this point?

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I just noticed was another post talking about them not sure on the subscription model yet their very sure on it... Massively despises ESO proven in this article by the editor-in-chief

http://skycandy.org/2012/06/taking-us-for-granted/

Sum it up Massively did not get a complementary bottle and now their out to cause more harm then good towards ESO.

Perhaps the game really is not as good as you over hyped fans would have us believe and Massively are simply telling the truth, which of course instantly equals something fishy to you because nobody can dislike something you like?

Perhaps Massively are the ONLY ones not paid off to give good previews at this point?

Every coin has flip side that is just as valid....

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Cool, another clone drone. If it goes both ways, that just makes you a hater rather than a fanboy. You don't have to be a fanboy to see bias or see flaws in someone's rhetoric.

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You people are not making any sense. I go to Massively every day just to check on if there's any fresh news, but when I read something about Elder Scroll's I get 3 things: 1. I read good things from Larry about the game. 2. I read something on the middle lane from Idontrememberhisname. 3. I read bad things from, was it Eliot? The guy even says he dont like TES to begin with so, yeah...

Maybe you're too fanboys to get enraged immediately when something crosses your eyes that is not mega positive about the game? I have preordered the collector's edition of the game, and yet I expect the game to have major flaws and shortcomings, but I expect the game still to be very enjoyable and at least a good ride up till max level.

I WANT to see different opinions about the game so I can make up more balanced expectations for my self. I'm not going to play the beta to ruin the new&shiny experience, but if I read only good stuff about the game, it will raise my expectations unrealistically and the bad things would feel like hell then, now, with more balanced view, it's all going to be good and expected.

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I just noticed was another post talking about them not sure on the subscription model yet their very sure on it... Massively despises ESO proven in this article by the editor-in-chief

http://skycandy.org/2012/06/taking-us-for-granted/

Sum it up Massively did not get a complementary bottle and now their out to cause more harm then good towards ESO.

Perhaps the game really is not as good as you over hyped fans would have us believe and Massively are simply telling the truth, which of course instantly equals something fishy to you because nobody can dislike something you like?

Perhaps Massively are the ONLY ones not paid off to give good previews at this point?

Every coin has flip side that is just as valid....

Driz

Cool, another clone drone. If it goes both ways, that just makes you a hater rather than a fanboy. You don't have to be a fanboy to see bias or see flaws in someone's rhetoric.

Lol...

You mean bias and rhetoric like the OP claiming to have proof that Massively "despise" ESO where there is zero proof?

Face it, the level of hyperbole amongst what some consider to be White Knights is out of control...there is no bias in that article, the author goes out of his way time and again to point out that Massively are just one of many mainstream sites that have been snubbed by Zeni....thats pretty balanced and certainly looks to be a fair appraisal of the situation.

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Originally posted by MMOGamer71Old article from 2012....................

This...........

The article will be 2 years old in a few months. It seems the author made an addendum to the article that points directly at the OP. My off hand thought is that the OP has some sort of agenda related to Massively or the author her self. The addendum can be seen at the bottom of the article and is as follows.

Since fanboys keep necrospamming links to and fisking this article in some weird and incompetent attempt to show that it proves I have some deep bias against the Elder Scrolls franchise and therefore am intentionally tanking ESO on Massively because of some petty vendetta they imagine I have, I wanted to clarify for anyone with the intellect to actually read an article instead of just believing what the tinfoil hat crowd posts to Reddit. (Actually, I can’t even pick on Reddit because the first person to post this on Reddit was called a fool and downvoted. Score one for Reddit, what the heck.)

First, this blog post is almost two years old. Some of what it contains is outdated information. Gameinformer is actually Gamestop’s pet website, which actually makes sense in retrospect since Bethesda obviously has business dealings with a large console distributor like Gamestop. I didn’t know that at the time (and if I had, I would have mentioned it because it supports my hypothesis that ESO is first and foremost a console game for consolers, not an MMORPG for MMORPGers). As the current EIC of Massively, I am also responsible for overseeing all of our ESO coverage, and that includes the creation and staffing of our weekly Tamriel Infinium column, written by ESO fan Larry Everett. And since E3 2012 (when the above entry was written), Massively has been the beneficiary of many hands-on opportunities with ESO, most positive, which anyone who’s been following our site for the last couple of years already knows. Here are some of the bigger ones: the one about butts, the one about cabbages, a different one from that same E3, one from a special event right before E3, and this one and this one from PAX East last year.

If had some vendetta, I certainly wouldn’t have published any of those articles or that column, or for that matter, any of the neutral and positive articles from the last hands-on that accompanied our general preview by Eliot Lefebvre. I didn’t make Eliot write a negative preview any more than I make Larry write a positive column every single week. Our writers formulate their own opinions, and if I wanted to trash the game, I would have written something myself.

Second, this blog is completely public. “Exposing” it is no big feat since I have it linked prominently on my Massively profile, Twitter account, Steam account, etc. It is not a secret. This specific post was also referenced heavily in a much better article by my colleague on Massively itself. I have discussed the topic of ESO’s marketing campaign ad nauseam in dozens upon dozens of podcasts over the last few years as well as in several other articles on Massively since the business model announcement. My opinion of Bethesda’s marketing and its business model remains largely unchanged: I fully expect it to sell in the 3-4 million range by the time it hits consoles, and I fully expect it to lose subscriptions and go free-to-play, having learned nothing from SWTOR. I don’t believe Bethesda is really in tune with the MMO industry in terms of its marketing or gameplay. There is sadly nothing at all revolutionary in saying so, not when this blog came out or now. It is an opinion now shared broadly across the MMO industry.

Perhaps instead of fisking this ancient article, you ought to have read my more recent post on the TES franchise, the one encouraging people to play Morrowind in prep for the ESO launch and offering extensive mod advice to newbies. I wrote that because I am a hardcore Elder Scrolls franchise fanatic who’s been playing since Daggerfall. I have installs of Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim on my machines, and I have logged time in all three in the last month because I still love them. If anyone wants ESO to succeed, it’s me, because my job depends on this industry flourishing and because I don’t want ESO’s failure to herald the end of the franchise, but wanting something doesn’t make it so, and my job requires me to look past what I want to happen to chronicle what likely will and what does.

I realize this doesn’t suit the preconceptions of those folks who keep spamming me, who know so little about me and have such elite reasoning skills that they’re calling me a “faggot,” and who want to believe that anyone who says or publishes anything bad about a game must possess some nefarious hidden agenda. I don’t care. Just stop spamming your idiotic frothing fanboy posts.

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Score one for the cynical mmorpg fans for not reading after they got what they needed. The update that follows right after the article linked:

February 2014 addendum

Since fanboys keep necrospamming links to and fisking this article in some weird and incompetent attempt to show that it proves I have some deep bias against the Elder Scrolls franchise and therefore am intentionally tanking ESO on Massively because of some petty vendetta they imagine I have, I wanted to clarify for anyone with the intellect to actually read an article instead of just believing what the tinfoil hat crowd posts to Reddit. (Actually, I can’t even pick on Reddit because the first person to post this on Reddit was called a fool and downvoted. Score one for Reddit, what the heck.)

First, this blog post is almost two years old. Some of what it contains is outdated information. Gameinformer is actually Gamestop’s pet website, which actually makes sense in retrospect since Bethesda obviously has business dealings with a large console distributor like Gamestop. I didn’t know that at the time (and if I had, I would have mentioned it because it supports my hypothesis that ESO is first and foremost a console game for consolers, not an MMORPG for MMORPGers). As the current EIC of Massively, I am also responsible for overseeing all of our ESO coverage, and that includes the creation and staffing of our weekly Tamriel Infinium column, written by ESO fan Larry Everett. And since E3 2012 (when the above entry was written), Massively has been the beneficiary of many hands-on opportunities with ESO, most positive, which anyone who’s been following our site for the last couple of years already knows. Here are some of the bigger ones: the one about butts, the one about cabbages, a different one from that same E3, one from a special event right before E3, and this one and this one from PAX East last year.

If had some vendetta, I certainly wouldn’t have published any of those articles or that column, or for that matter, any of the neutral and positive articles from the last hands-on that accompanied our general preview by Eliot Lefebvre. I didn’t make Eliot write a negative preview any more than I make Larry write a positive column every single week. Our writers formulate their own opinions, and if I wanted to trash the game, I would have written something myself.

All I have to say is spoken like a typical mmorpg fan. Nice to see that attitude is at least consistent on both sides of this discussion.

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