ATD 2011- Draft Thread

1). The draft will last 25 rounds. You must draft 2 goalies, 6 defensemen, 12 forwards, a coach and 4 extra picks.

2). The time windows will be tight but reasonable.

12 hour clock for the first two rounds, (shortlists PM'd to me highly encouraged here)
then 8 hour clock for rounds 3-8,
then 6 hour clock for rounds 9-18,
then 4 hour clock for rounds 19-25

One hour time window deduction for each skipped pick with a minimum 1 hour clock guaranteed regardless of deductions.

3). Trading is to be reasonably fair and balanced and lopsided trades will need to be re-worked or dropped. This is at the discretion of the trade committee. To keep the draft flowing smoothly we ask that you do not trade while on the clock. We realize that this is easy to circumvent so be courteous. Circumventing this rule will be penalized like a missed deadline so if you do it, you better be sure that's what you want.

4). Regular season rankings MUST BE VOTED ON by at least one GM (if the team is co-GM'd) per team. The penalty if not done is a lowering in the standings because we would also be ranking our own teams in our own divisions (e.g., most teams will rank their own team 1st in their own division; if a team doesn't vote they loose out on a 1st place vote opportunity and hence their team's ranking will be lower than it could have been). All teams make the playoffs. 4th & 5th seeds play a 2-game series to narrow the field to 32.

I'll send a courtesy PM to all GMs as the draft date approaches, just so everyone is aware the draft is on. I know that if you're a new GM who just popped in to say you're in and never came back, it can slip your mind.

Also, picks can start right now. If you pick, PM the next guy too. May as well.

I'll send a courtesy PM to all GMs as the draft date approaches, just so everyone is aware the draft is on. I know that if you're a new GM who just popped in to say you're in and never came back, it can slip your mind.

Also, picks can start right now. If you pick, PM the next guy too. May as well.

I can't emphasize this enough - after you make a selection, please please PM the GM(s) of the next team. It's the only way the draft can run smoothly.

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Originally Posted by Cognition

Is anyone with the 10th to 18th pick interested in trading for first overall?

Wow, really? In my first draft, I almost wet my pants* in excitement when I found out I had first overall. Interesting...

*I didn't actually almost wet my pants.

By the way, once the clocks officially start (January 31), nobody can trade when it is their turn to pick.

By the way, once the clocks officially start (January 31), nobody can trade when it is their turn to pick.

There should maybe be a time limit on that. There are times when you're working on a trade and then you're just waiting for your trade partner's reply and three people in a row pick and suddenly it's your turn. that shouldn't kibosh the trade you've been working on.

There should maybe be a time limit on that. There are times when you're working on a trade and then you're just waiting for your trade partner's reply and three people in a row pick and suddenly it's your turn. that shouldn't kibosh the trade you've been working on.

I think common sense and courtesy is the best approach.

No. Not at 40 teams. This rule is the only trade restriction that makes sence.

No. Not at 40 teams. This rule is the only trade restriction that makes sence.

And besides you don't change rules during the draft.

- it's so easy to circumvent such a rule, that asking for courtesy is the only way to go.

- I don't recall us all agreeing on any change to this rule.

- the draft hasn't started yet.

- Actually, I have a good idea. What if the official rule is "no trading on the clock" but since circumventing that rule is so easy, if you do that, you just lose an hour off your clock going forward. Sort of a voluntary penalty, a little bit of give and take if you choose to do something that holds up the draft. (really, there doesn't HAVE to be anything, because your clock is yours to use as you wish) - keep in mind that once we are done 8 rounds, this one hour represents a good portion of your 4-6 hour clock, and by that time most people have already lost an hour or two. How does that sound?

I don't see the point in enforcing a rule that disallows trading of on the clock picks, for the simple reason that it would be no different than if the person wasn't actually around to make their pick in the first place..

I don't see the point in enforcing a rule that disallows trading of on the clock picks, for the simple reason that it would be no different than if the person wasn't actually around to make their pick in the first place..

I see that side of it, and it goes with what I said about how your clock is yours to use as you wish, whether it ruffles a few feathers or not. You go over time, you pay for it. But clearly a few people get rankled when someone is here and could be picking, but they're busy working on a trade, or even finalizing one that had been in the works for a long time before the pick came up. This is a reasonable compromise. It might act as a slight deterrent, the trading GM would have to say, "OK, do I still go ahead with this deal, knowing that I lose an hour? Or should I just go ahead and pick?"

I think it's a few more than three who are against the idea of people constantly getting away with circumventing the rule. Probably most people who are against trading are also against that, because holding up the clock is probably a prime motivation to be against trading.

Once we're in the last 6 rounds, anyone who's done this a couple times has just two hours to work with, and at that point they can trade on the clock to their heart's content, since it hurts no one. Their clock will go down to an hour and stay there.

I don't want the trading crowd to get militant or dig its heels in, I'm trying to be a problem solver here. What are some others' thoughts on the idea?

I really like the idea of a one hour deduction for trading a pick on the clock. There should be some disincentive for holding up the draft like that, but losing your pick that round is way too harsh. Losing an hour off your future clocks, which hurts a little but isn't a huge deal, seems just about right.

By the way, just to clarify, if we swap our entire draft position before the clocks start, it doesn't count against the limit of 3 trades, right?

By the way, just to clarify, if we swap our entire draft position before the clocks start, it doesn't count against the limit of 3 trades, right?

That's right.

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Originally Posted by Dreakmur

Why does it matter if it's too harsh? Nobody should have to face the punishment.... since you only get punished when you beak the rules.

Don't trade picks on the clock

The fact that some people frown upon it that much is enough incentive to not do it. On the other hand, that means we should all realize that if the trade of an on-the-clock pick is made, it was done honestly and no one had the evil intention to slow the draft down.

And the losing of an hour off the clock provides a nice slap on the wrist as a consequence, and when you think about it, the punishment can be proportionally quite higher than the hour you lose for missing the pick entirely. I think it's rather appropriate.

The fact that some people frown upon it that much is enough incentive to not do it. On the other hand, that means we should all realize that if the trade of an on-the-clock pick is made, it was done honestly and no one had the evil intention to slow the draft down.

What's that old saying? The road to hell os paved with good intentions.

If the result is slowing down the draft, then their intentions are meaningless. After all, Hitler did aspire to make the world a better place...