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In a month or two I want to read the Qu'ran from cover to cover and since I can't read Arabic, what's the best English translation?

Why do I want to read it? I'm interested in all of the religious documents out there from all the religions, just for my own edification (although I don't see them being spiritually harmful). I would like to form my own opinion on why I reject other religions and not consistently cite other people's opinions on them.

Thanks.

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“There is your brother, naked, crying, and you stand there confused over the choice of an attractive floor covering.”

In a month or two I want to read the Qu'ran from cover to cover and since I can't read Arabic, what's the best English translation?

Why do I want to read it? I'm interested in all of the religious documents out there from all the religions, just for my own edification (although I don't see them being spiritually harmful). I would like to form my own opinion on why I reject other religions and not consistently cite other people's opinions on them.

Thanks.

I would recommend two translations, both with commentary. Reading the Qur'an without commentary is a relatively fruitless exercise, sort of like reading the Bible without Church Tradition:

1. Abdullah Yusuf Ali, The Quran. I don't know if it's true or not, but Wikipedia says Ali was a member of the Ismāʿīlī Shīʿa. Online version.

2. Maulana Muhammad Ali, The Holy Qur'an. Muhammad Ali was a Lahori Ahmadiyya, who hold that Muhammad was indeed the last prophet; thus, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (whom the Qadian Ahmadiyya consider to be a prophet after Muhammad) is not considered a prophet by the Lahori. An online version also exists.

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If you will, you can become all flame.Extra caritatem nulla salus.In order to become whole, take the "I" out of "holiness". सर्वभूतहितἌνω σχῶμεν τὰς καρδίας"Those who say religion has nothing to do with politics do not know what religion is." -- Mohandas GandhiY dduw bo'r diolch.

In a month or two I want to read the Qu'ran from cover to cover and since I can't read Arabic, what's the best English translation?

Why do I want to read it? I'm interested in all of the religious documents out there from all the religions, just for my own edification (although I don't see them being spiritually harmful). I would like to form my own opinion on why I reject other religions and not consistently cite other people's opinions on them.

Thanks.

I've read it, an interesting book, though in truth it comes across as about as dull sometimes as the Book of Mormon. It lacks the sophistication of the Bible, however this is because the Bible is both older and has endured more translations and copying, so it has absorbed more flavors than the Quran, Quranic literature and development has been relatively stagnant in comparison. This is of course because of the literalist interpretations of inspired writings in Islamic thought, they read the Quran like fundamentalist evangelicals read the King James Bible, word for word, line for line as if God Himself had written them instead of having inspired them. That is also why whichever English version we read is inadequate, no true Islamic scholar invests in English translations, it is considered sacreligious, instead such serious minded folks are taught to read Arabic.

I would recommend two translations, both with commentary. Reading the Qur'an without commentary is a relatively fruitless exercise, sort of like reading the Bible without Church Tradition:

Agreed completely, in fact all the more, because the Bible we believe is indeed Divinely inspired, and God speaks through the Holy Spirit. I do not believe the Quran is Divinely inspired in this sense, and so to understand what Arab culture and Islam intends behind this literature we need to have commentary. In other words, its like trying to understand Shakespeare without an English professor stay blessed,habte selassie

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"Yet stand aloof from stupid questionings and geneologies and strifes and fightings about law, for they are without benefit and vain." Titus 3:10

I think that's good to mention, Habte, on the literary qualities of the Qu'ran. I didn't know translations outside of Enlgish proved so much disdain, but I should have assumed that initially of course. I am a bit biased towards the Bible because I feel, as literature only, there is no equal. Sure it can get dry sometimes, but at it's best, there isn't better literature around.

Thanks for the links, Jetavan.

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“There is your brother, naked, crying, and you stand there confused over the choice of an attractive floor covering.”

In a month or two I want to read the Qu'ran from cover to cover and since I can't read Arabic, what's the best English translation?

Why do I want to read it? I'm interested in all of the religious documents out there from all the religions, just for my own edification (although I don't see them being spiritually harmful). I would like to form my own opinion on why I reject other religions and not consistently cite other people's opinions on them.

Thanks.

There are plenty of English translations now and most of them are available online, might be worth checking out the online versions before you buy one, this a good site for that: http://al-quran.info/

You can test drive the various translations, settle on one to buy, then use that site to compare it with others.

I would recommend a translation that is widely used among English speaking Muslims and/or recommended by "orthodox" Muslims (not translations by "heretics" like the Ahmadiyyas or Submitters). Here are 2 reviews comparing various English translations by Muslim reviewers:

In a month or two I want to read the Qu'ran from cover to cover and since I can't read Arabic, what's the best English translation?

Why do I want to read it? I'm interested in all of the religious documents out there from all the religions, just for my own edification (although I don't see them being spiritually harmful). I would like to form my own opinion on why I reject other religions and not consistently cite other people's opinions on them.

Thanks.

Friendly suggestion: Have a comparative reading of the prominent Qur'an translations rather than one single translation since some translators are dishonest enough to conceal the true meaning of a word and mislead the reader.

Ali Unal has a really good English translation of the Qur'an. It also online.

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If you will, you can become all flame.Extra caritatem nulla salus.In order to become whole, take the "I" out of "holiness". सर्वभूतहितἌνω σχῶμεν τὰς καρδίας"Those who say religion has nothing to do with politics do not know what religion is." -- Mohandas GandhiY dduw bo'r diolch.

Ali Unal has a really good English translation of the Qur'an. It also online.

You must be kidding me! This is a terrible and biased translation designed to cover up the major mistakes of the Qur'an. Checking Surah 3:35 and Surah 11:71 would be sufficient to put this translation in the trash can.

Read this article if you want to know how some Muslims distort their Qur'an through various means and why.

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A number of Muslim translators change the meaning of the Qur’an by mistranslating it into a foreign language. Although mistranslation is an act of distortion that does not affect the written text of Islam’s book, it still does change the meaning of a verse and misleads readers that cannot check the accuracy of a translation and base their perception on faulty translations, failing to understand the original meaning of a verse. Unsurprisingly, mistranslations come up whenever some translators feel obliged to cover some theological problems or charges of mistakes by modifying the meaning of a troublesome word or phrase.

Ali Unal has a really good English translation of the Qur'an. It also online.

You must be kidding me! This is a terrible and biased translation designed to cover up the major mistakes of the Qur'an. Checking Surah 3:35 and Surah 11:71 would be sufficient to put this translation in the trash can.

Read this article if you want to know how some Muslims distort their Qur'an through various means and why.

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A number of Muslim translators change the meaning of the Qur’an by mistranslating it into a foreign language. Although mistranslation is an act of distortion that does not affect the written text of Islam’s book, it still does change the meaning of a verse and misleads readers that cannot check the accuracy of a translation and base their perception on faulty translations, failing to understand the original meaning of a verse. Unsurprisingly, mistranslations come up whenever some translators feel obliged to cover some theological problems or charges of mistakes by modifying the meaning of a troublesome word or phrase.

So your point is that the Qur'an has mistakes? If so, I'm not claiming that it doesn't, nor am I claiming that it does, but I find Ali Unal's translation to be a very modern, understandable one.

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If you will, you can become all flame.Extra caritatem nulla salus.In order to become whole, take the "I" out of "holiness". सर्वभूतहितἌνω σχῶμεν τὰς καρδίας"Those who say religion has nothing to do with politics do not know what religion is." -- Mohandas GandhiY dduw bo'r diolch.

In a month or two I want to read the Qu'ran from cover to cover and since I can't read Arabic, what's the best English translation?

Why do I want to read it? I'm interested in all of the religious documents out there from all the religions, just for my own edification (although I don't see them being spiritually harmful). I would like to form my own opinion on why I reject other religions and not consistently cite other people's opinions on them.

Thanks.

its not abt rejecting other religions----its abt having a strong faith in your own Orthodoxy and through this knowing that its a wast of time and efort to bother reading all the religous matirial of other faiths. AND it can be spiritually harmfull! Whats will be next on your list....maybe the satanic bible, or even better, try some spells from it to see if there is any thing to it?carefull you just stepped on the wrong path, turn around.

So your point is that the Qur'an has mistakes? If so, I'm not claiming that it doesn't, nor am I claiming that it does, but I find Ali Unal's translation to be a very modern, understandable one.

My point is that Ali Unal's translation is not accurate and reliable no matter how modern and understandable it seems or is.

But doesn't Ali Unal translate "imraatu" as "wife"?

« Last Edit: October 24, 2012, 02:53:03 PM by Jetavan »

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If you will, you can become all flame.Extra caritatem nulla salus.In order to become whole, take the "I" out of "holiness". सर्वभूतहितἌνω σχῶμεν τὰς καρδίας"Those who say religion has nothing to do with politics do not know what religion is." -- Mohandas GandhiY dduw bo'r diolch.

So your point is that the Qur'an has mistakes? If so, I'm not claiming that it doesn't, nor am I claiming that it does, but I find Ali Unal's translation to be a very modern, understandable one.

My point is that Ali Unal's translation is not accurate and reliable no matter how modern and understandable it seems or is.

But doesn't Ali Unal translate "imraatu" as "wife"?

Not in the translation of Surah 3:35, a vital verse identifying Mary as Imran's biological daughter. I went to the website through the link you gave and checked it. Ali translated "imarratu" as "the woman" and added in brackets the phrase "from the House of" just before Imran.

So your point is that the Qur'an has mistakes? If so, I'm not claiming that it doesn't, nor am I claiming that it does, but I find Ali Unal's translation to be a very modern, understandable one.

My point is that Ali Unal's translation is not accurate and reliable no matter how modern and understandable it seems or is.

But doesn't Ali Unal translate "imraatu" as "wife"?

Not in the translation of Surah 3:35, a vital verse identifying Mary as Imran's biological daughter. I went to the website through the link you gave and checked it. Ali translated "imarratu" as "the woman" and added in brackets the phrase "from the House of" just before Imran.

That's funny. I have the paperback of Ali Unal's Quran, and 3:35, he translates as this: "(Remember) when the wife of 'Imran entreated: 'My Lord, I have dedicated that which is in my womb to Your exclusive service...'"

« Last Edit: October 24, 2012, 03:19:30 PM by Jetavan »

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If you will, you can become all flame.Extra caritatem nulla salus.In order to become whole, take the "I" out of "holiness". सर्वभूतहितἌνω σχῶμεν τὰς καρδίας"Those who say religion has nothing to do with politics do not know what religion is." -- Mohandas GandhiY dduw bo'r diolch.

That's funny. I have the paperback of Ali Unal's Quran, and 3:35, he translates as this: "(Remember) when the wife of 'Imran entreated: 'My Lord, I have dedicated that which is in my womb to Your exclusive service...'"

This means the translation in the book is different from the one on the website. He may have changed his translation to evade some problems that he became familiar with some time after the the publication of his book.

That's funny. I have the paperback of Ali Unal's Quran, and 3:35, he translates as this: "(Remember) when the wife of 'Imran entreated: 'My Lord, I have dedicated that which is in my womb to Your exclusive service...'"

This means the translation in the book is different from the one on the website. He may have changed his translation to evade some problems that he became familiar with some time after the the publication of his book.

So we both agree that the paperback version of Ali Unal's translation is very good.

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If you will, you can become all flame.Extra caritatem nulla salus.In order to become whole, take the "I" out of "holiness". सर्वभूतहितἌνω σχῶμεν τὰς καρδίας"Those who say religion has nothing to do with politics do not know what religion is." -- Mohandas GandhiY dduw bo'r diolch.

Ali Unal has a really good English translation of the Qur'an. It also online.

You must be kidding me! This is a terrible and biased translation designed to cover up the major mistakes of the Qur'an. Checking Surah 3:35 and Surah 11:71 would be sufficient to put this translation in the trash can.

Read this article if you want to know how some Muslims distort their Qur'an through various means and why.

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A number of Muslim translators change the meaning of the Qur’an by mistranslating it into a foreign language. Although mistranslation is an act of distortion that does not affect the written text of Islam’s book, it still does change the meaning of a verse and misleads readers that cannot check the accuracy of a translation and base their perception on faulty translations, failing to understand the original meaning of a verse. Unsurprisingly, mistranslations come up whenever some translators feel obliged to cover some theological problems or charges of mistakes by modifying the meaning of a troublesome word or phrase.

Ali Unal has a really good English translation of the Qur'an. It also online.

You must be kidding me! This is a terrible and biased translation designed to cover up the major mistakes of the Qur'an. Checking Surah 3:35 and Surah 11:71 would be sufficient to put this translation in the trash can.

Read this article if you want to know how some Muslims distort their Qur'an through various means and why.

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A number of Muslim translators change the meaning of the Qur’an by mistranslating it into a foreign language. Although mistranslation is an act of distortion that does not affect the written text of Islam’s book, it still does change the meaning of a verse and misleads readers that cannot check the accuracy of a translation and base their perception on faulty translations, failing to understand the original meaning of a verse. Unsurprisingly, mistranslations come up whenever some translators feel obliged to cover some theological problems or charges of mistakes by modifying the meaning of a troublesome word or phrase.

2. Maulana Muhammad Ali, The Holy Qur'an. Muhammad Ali was a Lahori Ahmadiyya, who hold that Muhammad was indeed the last prophet; thus, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (whom the Qadian Ahmadiyya consider to be a prophet after Muhammad) is not considered a prophet by the Lahori. An online version also exists.

So the Lahori view him as merely the Mahdi without also being a prophet or what?

2. Maulana Muhammad Ali, The Holy Qur'an. Muhammad Ali was a Lahori Ahmadiyya, who hold that Muhammad was indeed the last prophet; thus, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (whom the Qadian Ahmadiyya consider to be a prophet after Muhammad) is not considered a prophet by the Lahori. An online version also exists.

So the Lahori view him as merely the Mahdi without also being a prophet or what?

If you will, you can become all flame.Extra caritatem nulla salus.In order to become whole, take the "I" out of "holiness". सर्वभूतहितἌνω σχῶμεν τὰς καρδίας"Those who say religion has nothing to do with politics do not know what religion is." -- Mohandas GandhiY dduw bo'r diolch.

2. Maulana Muhammad Ali, The Holy Qur'an. Muhammad Ali was a Lahori Ahmadiyya, who hold that Muhammad was indeed the last prophet; thus, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (whom the Qadian Ahmadiyya consider to be a prophet after Muhammad) is not considered a prophet by the Lahori. An online version also exists.

So the Lahori view him as merely the Mahdi without also being a prophet or what?