peeker643 wrote:Still trying to weasel my way into media credentials for the NCAA. Got 'em for the MAC but, you're not gonna believe, the NCAA's are apparently a tougher ticket.

No Vegas amigo. I played health roulette a couple months back and lost. I figure I'll try and take care of that nut first, talk about going to Vegas next year and then never follow up on it again til next March.

It always seems so far away when we talk about it while watching first round games and the next thing I know it's that time again.

One day...

Is all good with you? Hope so. Dawn good too? What days are the NCAA's here, Thurs-Sat or Fri-Sun?

when you're growing up in the 'burbs you're not being introduced to that awesome hip music you're probably see in the the more urban enviorments in boston, nyc, la..whatever.

Swerb wrote:Go start a blog if you want to tell the world your incomprehendible ramblings.

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I have a big arm and can throw the ball pretty damn far...... maybe even over those moutains. The Browns should sign me, i'll let you all in locker room to drink beer. Then we can all go out the parking lot to watch me do motorcycle stunts.

Swerb wrote:Go start a blog if you want to tell the world your incomprehendible ramblings.

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I have a big arm and can throw the ball pretty damn far...... maybe even over those moutains. The Browns should sign me, i'll let you all in locker room to drink beer. Then we can all go out the parking lot to watch me do motorcycle stunts.

Galley Boys are slop on top of a so-so burger and a bun you coulde get from a Covneninet food mart generic pack. They the Antoine Joubert of burgers; soft, sloppy, oozing grease and cheap sauce and extremely overrated by a biased fan base. Proof that if you throw enough cheap sauce shit on a burger you still can't overcome the lame burger. -JB

I was the same dick in the rock band draft thread (what was that, two years ago?) and I participated in that.

Always gonna make fun of old guys that listen to G&R and Van Halen as well as kids like SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS that need to reach out. Nothing literal or "hateful" there. That just me.

This thread could be fun, but hiko's fishing went astray and I was gonna be a dick about it. No Biggy.

I didn't kill the thread either, BTW, my observation was true as the lack of actual discussion about the bands proves. I just was the asshole that said it. Either way, I am me and if you gonna take me seriously (honestly most of this thread was said tongue in cheek, no matter the intentions) that on you. I was actually blown away by how seriously Peeks took me.

***Obviously, the definition of Rock is subjective. I would just say that a fair definition might be "a song that you might hear on one of the Rock radio stations", so N Sync would probably not make that cut. But if you consider that "Rock", then have at it...

***The radio stations in NEO are no worse/different than any of the Rock stations in NY, Miami, or LA. Free broadcast radio like that has been dead for years, and one of the best ones I've ever heard was in Oklahoma City of all places.

***I had no idea what Big & Rich ever sang until just now when I went to I-Tunes Store and, yes, I do know that one song about riding the cowboy. I myself would consider that Country, but again, personal preference...

***Personal preference, however, is no excuse for claiming to like Van Hagar more than Van Halen.

***Anyone lumping Tool in as a vapid headbanging band has listened to about as much Tool as I've listened to Big & Rich.

***This is very subjective by nature, but the wide gulf between some of the tastes is a little surprising to me. I would've thought there were more "pizzas" out there (selections which everyone from every walk of life seems to like). Just at a glimpse, the only 3 which have semi-frequent mention are Nirvana (probably Nevermind), GnR (Appetite), and Metallica (Ride the Lightning). Only one vote for Big & Rich so far...

***Thanks for the torrent recommends.

***Soul Coughing and The Cult are both good additions.

***Almost shocked no one threw Def Leppard Hysteria out there. I was preparing to vomit all over my keyboard when I saw it. Thank you for restoring my faith in humanity.

jb wrote:Ur a Dead man posting Mysterio. You broke the rules by not salavating over vapid / head banging shit that the algonqun round table approves of like Tool & Pantera.

Oh shut the fuck up, asshole.

Go listen to your shitty rap and it's duped and looped beats.

"YO YO YO MY BITCHES EYEZ GOT MONEY AND I SHOOT UNARMED PEOPLE YO YO YO EYEZ GOT 19 FANCY CARS AND EYEZ CAN ONLY READ AT A 3RD GRADE LEVEL, YO BITCHES YO MONEY, WE BE THE BEST CUZ WE GOT GUNS AND HOLD THEM SUDEWAYS CUZ WE BE SO BAD AND ALL THE BITCHES LOVE US BECAUSE WE GOTZ MONEY AND GOLD CHAINS DAWGS YO YO YO!"

Has listened to Tool with an open mind long enough to have given them a chance and finds them trite, contrived, an appallingly boring, as John S. Hall once sang. (speaking of one of the 10 greatest almbums in 30 years) Noise. But then again, your list included Rage, which is essentially unlistenable trash. But like I poked Mysterio, this is a testoterone driven board when it comes it music. The concensus is about what you'd get if you polled tankers in Iraq.

Has listened to Tool with an open mind long enough to have given them a chance and finds them trite, contrived, an appallingly boring, as John S. Hall once sang. (speaking of one of the 10 greatest almbums in 30 years) Noise. But then again, your list included Rage, which is essentially unlistenable trash. But like I poked Mysterio, this is a testoterone driven board when it comes it music. The concensus is about what you'd get if you polled tankers in Iraq.

jb wrote:Ur a Dead man posting Mysterio. You broke the rules by not salavating over vapid / head banging shit that the algonqun round table approves of like Tool & Pantera.

Oh shut the fuck up, asshole.

Go listen to your shitty rap and it's duped and looped beats.

"YO YO YO MY BITCHES EYEZ GOT MONEY AND I SHOOT UNARMED PEOPLE YO YO YO EYEZ GOT 19 FANCY CARS AND EYEZ CAN ONLY READ AT A 3RD GRADE LEVEL, YO BITCHES YO MONEY, WE BE THE BEST CUZ WE GOT GUNS AND HOLD THEM SUDEWAYS CUZ WE BE SO BAD AND ALL THE BITCHES LOVE US BECAUSE WE GOTZ MONEY AND GOLD CHAINS DAWGS YO YO YO!"

I'm a rapper now. I be having dem maaaaaad skillz dawg.

Hip Hop is not rock and roll.

Seperate thread.

You know as much about real music as pizza. Go bang sone trash can lids and wail .

Has listened to Tool with an open mind long enough to have given them a chance and finds them trite, contrived, an appallingly boring, as John S. Hall once sang. (speaking of one of the 10 greatest almbums in 30 years) Noise. But then again, your list included Rage, which is essentially unlistenable trash. But like I poked Mysterio, this is a testoterone driven board when it comes it music. The concensus is about what you'd get if you polled tankers in Iraq.

I still seriously doubt that (you've probably never heard more than one track - if that - off of Lateralus or 10,000 Days) if you refer to that as Noise, kinda like the guy that says he doesn't like the Beatles b/c he heard I Wanna Hold Your Hand and thought it was faggy. But hey, that's your musical journey. Hate away.

Now, Rage... yeah, I can buy your argument more there. I enjoy them, but I can admit they're a one-trick pony and if you don't like that one trick, there isn't much anyone could offer to change your mind.

Has listened to Tool with an open mind long enough to have given them a chance and finds them trite, contrived, an appallingly boring, as John S. Hall once sang. (speaking of one of the 10 greatest almbums in 30 years) Noise. But then again, your list included Rage, which is essentially unlistenable trash. But like I poked Mysterio, this is a testoterone driven board when it comes it music. The concensus is about what you'd get if you polled tankers in Iraq.

I still seriously doubt that (you've probably never heard more than one track - if that - off of Lateralus or 10,000 Days) if you refer to that as Noise, kinda like the guy that says he doesn't like the Beatles b/c he heard I Wanna Hold Your Hand and thought it was faggy. But hey, that's your musical journey. Hate away.

Now, Rage... yeah, I can buy your argument more there. I enjoy them, but I can admit they're a one-trick pony and if you don't like that one trick, there isn't much anyone could offer to change your mind.

What was you opinion of 10,000 Days?

I wasn't bowled over after a few listens, but it really grew on me and I really like it. Track 2 (Jambi?) is one of my favorite songs of theirs.

hiko wrote:***Obviously, the definition of Rock is subjective. I would just say that a fair definition might be "a song that you might hear on one of the Rock radio stations"

No offense, but that definition depresses the shit out of me. Can we at least acknowledge that rock exists outside the confines of ClearChannel's daily Skynyrd... Leppard... Nickelback rotation?I like Alice In Chains. But why is it always "Rooster"? Every time? Is this retroactive payola or something? God, I hate rock radio.

aclayman wrote:No offense, but that definition depresses the shit out of me. Can we at least acknowledge that rock exists outside the confines of ClearChannel's daily Skynyrd... Leppard... Nickelback rotation?

Whether you like punk, pop, or death metal, the radio is probably the last place to start.

Actually was talking with a friend today, about how terrible the local rock station is. (WRQK)

For some reason, whenever I flip the station on, it's playing that one god-awful song by that Nikki Sixx band that's not Motley Crue. His choice of lead-singer for this abortion is a Daughtery clone.

For some reason, the station is also obsessed with Disturbed. Which in my mind, is the worst excuse for a rock band I've ever seen. It's so beyound cookie cutter it's not even funny. Lyrics are whiny, Singer has little talent, and the backing group lacks anything out of a couple of chords. Yet, the DJ's there hype these guys up like mad.

I don't really listen to the radio to listen to learn new "music" anymore (unless it's sirius, which is awesome), the playlist on the stations out there now-a-days is just too limited.

Swerb wrote:Go start a blog if you want to tell the world your incomprehendible ramblings.

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I have a big arm and can throw the ball pretty damn far...... maybe even over those moutains. The Browns should sign me, i'll let you all in locker room to drink beer. Then we can all go out the parking lot to watch me do motorcycle stunts.

hiko wrote:***Obviously, the definition of Rock is subjective. I would just say that a fair definition might be "a song that you might hear on one of the Rock radio stations"

No offense, but that definition depresses the shit out of me. Can we at least acknowledge that rock exists outside the confines of ClearChannel's daily Skynyrd... Leppard... Nickelback rotation?I like Alice In Chains. But why is it always "Rooster"? Every time? Is this retroactive payola or something? God, I hate rock radio.

Whether you like punk, pop, or death metal, the radio is probably the last place to start.

Maybe it would be better if we said "a band who might have a song played on the radio". Tool's best songs have never reached the light of radio, and I think Nirvana's best album is Bleach, but that one hasn't gotten much airtime either. Yet there are Tool songs and Nirvana songs that DO get airtime.

Even if the band doesn't get airtime... if they DID get airtime, would a Rock station be the one to play it?

all reasons why I listened to college radio back in the late 70's/early 80's. Luckily my sister, who is 5 yrs older, had friends who listened to stations at the top of the dial. So while getting the fix from 'MMS,M105,etc, I heard new, different music from bands like u2, REM, Violent Femmes, Bauhaus, The Replacements, etc that I never would have heard of until after any commercial success/MTV video play. While still having to be Parmacentric and being exposed to the latest hit that Uncle Vic spun on 'GCL, I was able to go hit up a place like Record Revolution and find import albums and these "underground" bands I heard. That, for me at least, was half the fun getting into music, the searching and not conforming to what my peers were listening to. Once I found something that appealed to me, I went back to find other bands/albums from the same genre and took a listen. The advent of MTV and their quest to fill a 24/7 timeslot pushed alot of bands that would have had to crawl through the underground normally, into the spotlight w/ videos of awful lipsync performances or conceptual flicks that no one understood.

Again it's what makes music so subjective and so personal. While I could throw The Cure's Pornography on my list b/c of how I discovered it, how I related to the music, someone else here could shake their head, point and laugh at me and tell me that Coverdale is God and Whitesnake's Slide it in was the Zeppelin 4 of the 80's.

Galley Boys are slop on top of a so-so burger and a bun you coulde get from a Covneninet food mart generic pack. They the Antoine Joubert of burgers; soft, sloppy, oozing grease and cheap sauce and extremely overrated by a biased fan base. Proof that if you throw enough cheap sauce shit on a burger you still can't overcome the lame burger. -JB

Larvell Blanks wrote: and tell me that Coverdale is God and Whitesnake's Slide it in was the Zeppelin 4 of the 80's.

Although it was as good as Coda

45 minutes of the needle skipping is just as good as Coda

Galley Boys are slop on top of a so-so burger and a bun you coulde get from a Covneninet food mart generic pack. They the Antoine Joubert of burgers; soft, sloppy, oozing grease and cheap sauce and extremely overrated by a biased fan base. Proof that if you throw enough cheap sauce shit on a burger you still can't overcome the lame burger. -JB

I wasn't bowled over after a few listens, but it really grew on me and I really like it. Track 2 (Jambi?) is one of my favorite songs of theirs.

I too really disliked it at first. It seemed to lack passion. When I like Tool best, it's like on Third Eye (Aenima) where the song is slow and melodic but has bursts of fury, and it seemed like Maynard's fury waned as his fame rose (or he got old). But the more you listen to 10,000 Days, you realize that it's simply a maturation of their work, and you learn to appreciate it for what it is.

But since I apparently haven't matured as much as Tool has in the last 20 years, I will admit I still like the angrier stuff better. The simple fact is that because there are always these vast gaps of time between their albums, these transitions in sound are more jarring. If they put out, say, an album every 2-3 years, I think it would be easier to trace the transition like with, for instance, the Beatles.

Has listened to Tool with an open mind long enough to have given them a chance and finds them trite, contrived, an appallingly boring, as John S. Hall once sang. (speaking of one of the 10 greatest almbums in 30 years) Noise. But then again, your list included Rage, which is essentially unlistenable trash. But like I poked Mysterio, this is a testoterone driven board when it comes it music. The concensus is about what you'd get if you polled tankers in Iraq.

I still seriously doubt that (you've probably never heard more than one track - if that - off of Lateralus or 10,000 Days) if you refer to that as Noise, kinda like the guy that says he doesn't like the Beatles b/c he heard I Wanna Hold Your Hand and thought it was faggy. But hey, that's your musical journey. Hate away.

Now, Rage... yeah, I can buy your argument more there. I enjoy them, but I can admit they're a one-trick pony and if you don't like that one trick, there isn't much anyone could offer to change your mind.

To me, Tool is one part Rush's lyrical/thematic pretense, one part Morphene's dirge, one part Live's faux passion, one part radiohead's overrated production, and one part Les Clapool's annoyingly over the top base.

But I will go on and download whater 3 tracks you recommend and listen again with an open mind. That's what I do. ( TM it like Bart Scott. )

the realreason I bust your balls, bsides the fact That's what I Do, is to make CDT froth at the cake hole and start shit about the thread's title.

Wish I had the help of a genius like Buffum here, but "best" isn't logically defined by yelling loudest. It is defined by establishing agreeed upon criteria at the outset of a discussion an dthen objectively evaluating accordingly. "Best" isn't really subjective at all. But "favorite" sure as shit is.

"Rock" defined as non-rap, got it. Although if you don't think Fear of a Black Planet or Death Certificate rocked the shit, you may have a gaping hole in your psyche. Not my problem.

FoaBP is a seminal hip-hop work. Up there with anything great KRS One or Nas ever did. Chuck D's flow never gets old.

But it isn't rock and roll. It's f'n hip-hop. Completely different genesis, completely different approach to music. And I like bits of both. I like Miles Davis too, but as to why he's in the R&R HOF/museum for some brief fushion work. I have no idea. Miles plays jazz. And jazz isn't r n r , no matter what Tap tried to do witout Nigel.

And yeah, I have a pretty narrow definition. Either you have a musical pangaea and evaluate as Satchmo said, or you have discrete categories and you keep 'em. I don't think blues is rock and roll either. It heavily influenced r n r, but it ain't rock anymore than ur an australiopithicus.

In the interest of full diclosure, I never played anything but a tape deck and turntable, but I've hung out with those who have. There's different chord structures, rythems, all that technical music shit, the objectively defines styles of music.

<reflecting> Yes, much softer than the perceived average TCF board poster. And an admittedly shallow list. I've learned something about myself through this introspective Q&A.

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Right.

Like I insinuate, if Graceland and Joshua Tree represent soft and shallow, then fuck any "best" list of the past 30 years that claims to ditch them for some fringe groups. Just the way its gotta be.

A. Rock and Hip Hop can and should be classified in different genres. Both to be enjoyed.

B. To your point jb, I've got buddies who see shows 3 nights a week in Chicago. I've never heard of a single freaking band they see. Once in a while they stumble into an upstart The National or Arctic Monkeys, but most of the time it's no great shakes. Point is, they'd never accept a known band as cool. As soon as Arcade Fire got on TV, they became passe. That's just who these guys are, and I'm glad they are so into the music scene. I imagine they like to play the role of taste-makers and social leaders. But, at the same time, they deny Miles Davis as having modern relevance and think Biggie Smalls started rap. It's a strange subset. Am I describing hipsters?

Cease wrote:"Rock" defined as non-rap, got it. Although if you don't think Fear of a Black Planet or Death Certificate rocked the shit, you may have a gaping hole in your psyche. Not my problem.

No where did I say that, and I agree that there are many great Rap albums that "rock". And I said at the very beginning that if you consider that "Rock", be my guest. But if we're gonna quibble about what Rock is or isn't, then maybe I should just say fuck it and turn it into Best Albums.

The reason I didn't is that it seems to me that there is a pronounced lack of quality music generally described as "Rock" in the last 30 years, so turning this into "Best Albums" would be a much different list and just underline how dead the genre is becoming.

If someone asks you what the best Rock album of the 2000's was, where do YOU draw that line? I tried to give a broad definition, but I stick to my original emphasis that if you consider it "Rock", then list it. No reason to get all bitchy.