Grimmest place in the south?

The northern ones a bit of a slow burner, and theres more than a slightsuggestion appearing on that thread that the other half of England has its very own array of shitholes to choose from.

I'll start the ball rolling with Milton Keynes, a town thats given itself a double-barrelled name in order to entice the dailymail readers there, the ultimate barratt hell, so awful that London-based cartographers desperately assign the place as being in the midlands but fool no-one. Its even more blander and characterless than Kenny G's greatest hits collection, but I'm pretty sure its not alone.

Any other dogturds floating about in the land of milk and honey?

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milton keynes was thename of he village that the devleopers kncoked down to build the concept city...

they then didn't build or design the place with a town centre to deleiberatly stop town centre violence and decded that it should only have 1 pub for the first few years... can you guess what's coming... yup violence every single weekend at the one pub in the place and utter chaos...

however i 'd nominate southend as being a shithole norfolk as being the land that time forgot suffolk for being just wierd indeed anything out on that coast line any ofthose towns great yarmouth etc... all hell holes...

Have you ever lived there? This strikes me as the comment of a person who has never lived there.

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My brother lives there, I visit quite a lot. It's not pretty, it's not "vibrant", or whatever cities are supposed to be these days, but I like it. I like the harbour and the seafood, and it's got a fascinating set of historical facts to its name. I'd live there before a lot of other places. It could do with some better pubs, granted.

and Hounslow, and Richmond, and Twickenham, Kingston, Ashford (both of them!) Maidestone, in fact everywhere with a KT TW SL GU ME post code, or pretty well anywhere in SE

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I've never been to Maidstone or the Kent Ashford, but Hounslow's OK (not great, but not as grim as a lot of the places here), and Richmond and Twickenham are lovely! What happened to you there to make you list them as grim?

I've never been to Maidstone or the Kent Ashford, but Hounslow's OK (not great, but not as grim as a lot of the places here), and Richmond and Twickenham are lovely! What happened to you there to make you list them as grim?

My brother lives there, I visit quite a lot. It's not pretty, it's not "vibrant", or whatever cities are supposed to be these days, but I like it. I like the harbour and the seafood, and it's got a fascinating set of historical facts to its name. I'd live there before a lot of other places. It could do with some better pubs, granted.

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Better pubs, jobs, shops, entertainment - you name it, Folkestone needs it The harbour area is indeed 'quaint' but it wears thin I can tell you. Mighty thin.

Fucking Harwich, what a shit hole! Got asked to leave the toilets there 'we are locking them up' at 6 in the evening, (trying to have a shit at the time) then all the cafe's and shops were closed, only place to get anything to eat was a chippy, then eat them o the street, fucking shit hole!!!!!!!!

Better pubs, jobs, shops, entertainment - you name it, Folkestone needs it The harbour area is indeed 'quaint' but it wears thin I can tell you. Mighty thin.

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Heh, how long were you there?

I don't think the harbour's quaint at all. Working harbour, bit scummy.

When you look at it though, how many small or medium-sized towns anywhere have enough to do and enough jobs, especially in Kent (though I note your comment earlier about Kent having disappointing towns, which is true by and large).

Cheshire is not at all northern. I'd say Stockport and above are northern. The northern parts of Derbyshire have a northern feel to them. I don't know Lincolnshire well but I always think of it as more southern than northern.

Cheshire is not at all northern. I'd say Stockport and above are northern. The northern parts of Derbyshire have a northern feel to them. I don't know Lincolnshire well but I always think of it as more southern than northern.

Well tim the sterotype is there I'm afraid. 3 BNP councillors on Epping Forest District Council all on the Debden wards.

I'm sure they'd appreciate you standing up for them if you walked into the Winston Churchill for a pint.

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Given your mindset, your willingness to dismiss the entire population of a place as

BNP supporting scum .

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I really think that if anyone would feel at home in a bigoted environment it would be you. I see no reason to tolerate or laugh at racism against white working class communities anymore than to accept it against black, Asian or Jewish communities.

The one part of "eugenic" racial theory that is still seen as acceptable to manyis that white working class communities are in some way racially inferior to to their white middle-classes. A theory used in the 19th and early 20th to justify disparitis of wealth between classes as as being a result of biological differences

Lived there for the first 18 years of my life. City centre is a postwar monstrosity (as my late stepdad used to say, what Hitler didn't do the town planners did). Also home to some of the skankiest, deprived hellholes in England, and full of scary armed forces types who's chief hobby when on shore leave is to pick fights with people down Union Street.

Also takes ages to get from there to any other major city, Bristol is 2 hours away, but apart from that expect to be on a train for at least 4 hours for anywhere else. When I moved I realised what an unimportant backwater the place really is.