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When in the course of human events it becomes necessary to talk about a very difficult episode of The Leftovers again (and again), Josh Wigler (@roundhoward) and Antonio Mazzaro (@acmazzaro) are here. They basically live here now. This is not unusual for The Leftovers. But does “Certified” represent the darkest moments of the series? And isn’t it always darkest right before the dawn? And, most importantly, what’s with the shoes?

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Josh Wigler is an entertainment journalist who covers Survivor, Game of Thrones, The Walking Dead and other popular TV shows for The Hollywood Reporter. He's the co-author of The Evolution of Strategy, creator of First One Out, host of Post Show Recaps and The Wiggle Room, and occasional Wanda Shirk impersonator.
He once interviewed Kermit the Frog about The Avengers and The Hunger Games, and hung out with Daryl Dixon and Ted the teddy bear during New Year's... so, you know, he's kind of a big deal. Follow Josh on Twitter @roundhoward.

Antonio Mazzaro is a Kentuckian, Lawyer, and Radio/TV/Film graduate of Northern Kentucky University--but he would love it if you didn't hold any of those things against him. Antonio's covered shows including Breaking Bad for Post Show Recaps, and Jack Benny, My Morning Jacket, and the Cincinnati Bearcats are a few of his favorite things. The TV character he would most like to emulate is his hero, Mr. Rogers. Follow Antonio on Twitter: @acmazzaro.

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Not to downplay the great work you guys did on this very shocking and sad episode but I had to say this: if everything and everyone dies in this show, please please please Antonio, do not let that be the last time we get that dutch accent, omg!!!!! I just loved it!!!!!

DanG

While I certainly wouldn’t put it beyond Sr. to hide the shoes if he had found them, I didn’t think the orange bag contained “the shoes”. I thought it was just a way of the writers to point just how many shoes Grace has been looking at and to reinforce how important “the shoe question” really is for Grace…

John Davis

The problem is, this is bull*hit. It doesn’t make any sense.

Tim Sears

It is either in this recap or the first recap of episode 6 where Antonio is rambling on and trying to make a point and Josh Wigler says “Hey, I am half of this podcast too.” This is a really good podcast and I enjoy Antonio in his work with Better Call Saul and the Leftovers, but Antonio should really listen and make a concerted effort not to hog the show with his rambling philosophical diatribes. Josh and Rob are excellent and experienced podcasters and it would behoove Antonio to recognize this and not monopolize so much air time.

Tim Sears

Maybe I missed it but I do not understand why you guys did not discuss Michael’s comments about Judas and killing himself. I think this is when Laurie actually decides to kill herself. I think Nora’s comments planted the seed but up until Michael’s comments I actually think she was going to try to stop Kevin Jr. from going to the International Asassin world, but after Michael’s comments she realized that if she did do just that then all the people that she loved would never forgive her or resent her so she decides to just remove herself from the picture. The reason I say this is because up until that moment she was proud to be Judas but then after Michael’s comments she was not any more.