This is so bizarre [to me] I had to share it here. Andthis device is called a "smart" phone?

Ask Apple: is this any way to run a business?

Filthy stinking retards in line for 2+ days to buy the firstiPhone6s using cash only then flipping the phones for profitwith NYPD cop telling the retards "You f*cking stink.". Justa guess but it looks like they're sleeping in their own wasteto retain their position in the various lines -- stench musthave been worse than our BART stations.

Picture article here followed by video documentation at UTube:

http://www.businessinsider.com/iphone-lines-video-2014-9

Black Market Takes Over the iPhone 6 Lines

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There's a second video at the Business Insider page that hasto be viewed from there AFAICT showing how they were able tobuy one very quickly at retail without any waiting, so thereare some smart people in NYC.

I'll bet there's road asphalt and tar in those burgers since itlooks like one will need to use a Dremel grinder with acetone toclean one's teeth after eating one. I suppose these new burgerswould fit well in the Goth crowd. :-)

Post by Thad FloryanFilthy stinking retards in line for 2+ days to buy the firstiPhone6s using cash only then flipping the phones for profitwith NYPD cop telling the retards "You f*cking stink.".

When you base a country on money, people do everything they can to try tomake some. There are other countries where monetary wealth isn't asimportant as family and community. I doubt you'd see much flipping going onin, say, Mexico.

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Post by Thad FloryanThere's a second video at the Business Insider page that hasto be viewed from there AFAICT showing how they were able tobuy one very quickly at retail without any waiting, so thereare some smart people in NYC.

Not at all.

The people that line up at Apple stores do it for the experience, notbecause they don't know that many other places will have the phones withno wait.

Most people knew that there were ways to purchase the iPhone 6 at aretail store, on launch day, without a wait, or a long wait. AT&Tstores, Verizon stores. Radio Shack, some Costcos, Walmart, Sam's Club,Target etc. CNET had an article about where to buy it on September 19th.

I personally know a lot of people that bought the iPhone 6 already andthey are not the crazy people. They had been waiting for Apple to catchup with Android in terms of screen size, processor speed, and hardwarefeatures like NFC, as well as for the ability to do voice and datasimultaneously on Verizon (something that only Android phones could dountil the VoLTE launch on Verizon). Most had been waiting to use theirupgrade credit and had either not bought an iPhone 5s, or had neverowned an iPhone.

I may thing it's crazy to spend so much on a phone but who am I to tellothers how to spend their money? My brother was asking my advice onbicycles last week and I told him that he should be spending more on abicycle and less on a phone. The people that are really stupid are theones paying the black market prices.

We spent about the same amount as one iPhone 6+ on four Moto Androidphones and our monthly bill for four phones on AT&T's network ispresently $86, or $21.50 per line (including taxes and fees). I justcan't see spending $150-200 a month for cell phone service.

Post by SMSI may thing it's crazy to spend so much on a phone but who am I to tellothers how to spend their money?

I, of course, work fulltime doing freelance tech. I did break down and buya wi-fi Android tablet, but that's just for checking wi-fi installations.For the rest of my mobile communications needs I use an LC flip phone, whichrecently replaced the Samsung flip phone I'd been using. No charge to"upgrade" to the new flip, and my rate is still $35 for 1000 minutesincluding those bizarre roaming towns I like to visit. And yes, I do textmessages when needed, but I'd rather pay the 20 cents per message fee thanbuy a "package" at $5 a month.

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Post by SMSI may thing it's crazy to spend so much on a phone but who am I to tellothers how to spend their money?

I, of course, work fulltime doing freelance tech. I did break down and buya wi-fi Android tablet, but that's just for checking wi-fi installations.For the rest of my mobile communications needs I use an LC flip phone, whichrecently replaced the Samsung flip phone I'd been using. No charge to"upgrade" to the new flip, and my rate is still $35 for 1000 minutesincluding those bizarre roaming towns I like to visit. And yes, I do textmessages when needed, but I'd rather pay the 20 cents per message fee thanbuy a "package" at $5 a month.

It's interesting to see so many people wanting the iPhone 6 which isreally just Apple catching up with Samsung large form factor phones.Rosie Allen was asking last week when she co-hosted filling in for GilGross why so much Apple news when Google is also in the Bay Area. It'slike when you say "smartphone" everyone thinks iPhone even thoughAndroid has surpassed iOS in numbers. When I told the clerk atStarbucks their new update was crashing he said other customers werehaving the crash too and thought it had something to do with the iPhone6. I told him I was using Android. Then when I checked they alreadyhad yet another update which fixed the crash.

As a Palm developer I know very well that Apple did not invent thesmartphone though they did have some tablet prototypes they showed mycompany in the mid 1990s that never made the light of day.

It's interesting to see so many people wanting the iPhone 6 which is reallyjust Apple catching up with Samsung large form factor phones. Rosie Allenwas asking last week when she co-hosted filling in for Gil Gross why so muchApple news when Google is also in the Bay Area. It's like when you say"smartphone" everyone thinks iPhone even though Android has surpassed iOS innumbers. When I told the clerk at Starbucks their new update was crashinghe said other customers were having the crash too and thought it hadsomething to do with the iPhone 6. I told him I was using Android. Thenwhen I checked they already had yet another update which fixed the crash.

That's because the vast majority of people would rather own an iPhone, *ifthey could afford to do so* but instead they own an Android, because one canpurchase an Android at a far lower price, often "free" with a contract.It's the reason why Apple last year came out with a more "affordable" iPhone.

I think among high-end smartphones, the iPhone still has the largest marketshare.

If you go by vendor, iPhone has the largest piece of the pie:<http://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2014/06/04/apples-u-s-iphone-market-share-holding-steady/><https://www.comscore.com/Insights/Market-Rankings/comScore-Reports-July-2014-US-Smartphone-Subscriber-Market-Share>

iPhone users also make more money:<https://www.comscore.com/Insights/Data-Mine/iPhone-Users-Earn-Higher-Income-Engage-More-on-Apps-than-Android-Users>

However, if you go by installed operating system, Android has the leadover IOS:<https://www.comscore.com/Insights/Data-Mine/Smartphone-Market-Led-by-Android-in-Software-iPhone-in-Hardware>

Post by Jeff LiebermannHowever, if you go by installed operating system, Android has the lead<https://www.comscore.com/Insights/Data-Mine/Smartphone-Market-Led-by-Android-in-Software-iPhone-in-Hardware>

As I tried to state, the Android market share is larger because there arefar more affordable Android phones that more people can afford to purchase.But in regards to high-end top-of-the-line smartphones, I think the iPhonehas the largest market share.

Post by SMSI may thing it's crazy to spend so much on a phone but who am I to tellothers how to spend their money?

I, of course, work fulltime doing freelance tech. I did break down and buya wi-fi Android tablet, but that's just for checking wi-fi installations.For the rest of my mobile communications needs I use an LC flip phone, whichrecently replaced the Samsung flip phone I'd been using. No charge to"upgrade" to the new flip, and my rate is still $35 for 1000 minutesincluding those bizarre roaming towns I like to visit. And yes, I do textmessages when needed, but I'd rather pay the 20 cents per message fee thanbuy a "package" at $5 a month.

That's very expensive. On Page Plus it's $28.50 for 1200 minutes, 3000texts, and 500MB of data. There are occasional roaming charges (Yosemite& Gold Country and southern Oregon are two) but it's not common.

Post by smsThat's very expensive. On Page Plus it's $28.50 for 1200 minutes, 3000texts, and 500MB of data. There are occasional roaming charges (Yosemite &Gold Country and southern Oregon are two) but it's not common.

But Verizon Wireless WORKS for me. It seems to hit every nook and cranny.With the exception of about 2 miles between Pescadero and Davenport I get itall the way down Highway 1 from SF to Santa Cruz. I don't know of any othercell service that does that. And never any roaming fees anywhere, anytime.

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Post by smsThat's very expensive. On Page Plus it's $28.50 for 1200 minutes, 3000texts, and 500MB of data. There are occasional roaming charges (Yosemite &Gold Country and southern Oregon are two) but it's not common.

But Verizon Wireless WORKS for me. It seems to hit every nook and cranny.With the exception of about 2 miles between Pescadero and Davenport I get itall the way down Highway 1 from SF to Santa Cruz. I don't know of any othercell service that does that. And never any roaming fees anywhere, anytime.

Page Plus is a Verizon MVNO and uses the Verizon towers and 3G system.Whatever non-roaming 3G coverage you get with Verizon, you'll get thesame with Page Plus.

Actually, I'm surprised you have coverage from Pescadero to Davenport.Both the Page Plus and Verizon coverage maps for the area show a hugegap in service along the coastline and further inland. AroundDavenport, you might be going across the bay to Monterey, but that'sunlikely further north. I occasionally drive to Big Creek lumber onthe coast from Davenport and get very spotty coverage on Page Plus:<https://www.pagepluscellular.com/why-page-plus/coverage/><http://vzwmap.verizonwireless.com/dotcom/coveragelocator/>

Post by Jeff LiebermannActually, I'm surprised you have coverage from Pescadero to Davenport.Both the Page Plus and Verizon coverage maps for the area show a hugegap in service along the coastline and further inland.

I did say it was poor in that area, but indeed I do get coverage somewhat,and when driving with companions who have Sprint and AT&T, they basicallygot nothing south of Martin's Beach.

Post by Jeff LiebermannAroundDavenport, you might be going across the bay to Monterey, but that'sunlikely further north.

That's fine with me, as long as I get a clear connection.

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They may have problems unloading their collection of iPhone 6's.<http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/mobiles/bendgate-apple-iphone-6-plus-found-bending-in-pants-pockets-20140923-10l5qm.html><http://www.dailytech.com/iBend+Reports+Grow+of+RazorThin+iPhone+6+Folding+Like+Origami+in+Your+Pocket/article36598c.htm>

They may have problems unloading their collection of iPhone 6's.<http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/mobiles/bendgate-apple-iphone-6-plus-found-bending-in-pants-pockets-20140923-10l5qm.html><http://www.dailytech.com/iBend+Reports+Grow+of+RazorThin+iPhone+6+Folding+Like+Origami+in+Your+Pocket/article36598c.htm>

If you wear the new iPants then there is no bending problem.

Cute... Most of the bending problem is due to insufficiently stiffcase aggravated by large button holes in the sides. However, take alook at the iFixit teardown:<https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/iPhone+6+Teardown/29213>The photo at:<https://d3nevzfk7ii3be.cloudfront.net/igi/Le4wOQvWHpqAuExJ.huge>shows lengthwise milling marks. I can think of a few reasons for themilling operation. The case may have been much thicker, but due tothe difficulty of cramming everything into the thin case, instead ofshrinking the electronics, they shrunk the case. Another is that thecase is so thin, that it warped when cast or molded, requiring millingto straighten it out. Or, it may have been impossibly thin to mould,so it was molded thick, and thinned out with a mill.

The traditional rubber "protector" case is going to be really strangelooking for the iPhone 6. It will have rubber around the surfaceantennas to keep the users grip off the antennas, and axial metalstiffeners to protect against bending and buckling. Apple taketh theweight away. Aftermarket vendors add it back. There should be amoral here somewhere.

There are other problems:<http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/09/23/apple_iphone_6_plus_review/>"...the software is actually scaling up your 1080p video (reducing itsquality) so that the hardware can scale it back down (reducing itsquality) to display it at 1080p. Madness."

What's wrong with this picture (pun intended)? The article says thatthe double rescaling is not apparent, but I suspect will be visible ifone looks for it. I got to play with one on Monday, but the owner wasseriously worried I might destroy his new toy, so I couldn't go intothe field test mode to do a "grip test".<http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/cellular/cell-test.htm>Incidentally, on the iFixit teardown, I couldn't find the NFC (nearfield comm) antenna.

They may have problems unloading their collection of iPhone 6's.<http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/mobiles/bendgate-apple-iphone-6-plus-found-bending-in-pants-pockets-20140923-10l5qm.html><http://www.dailytech.com/iBend+Reports+Grow+of+RazorThin+iPhone+6+Folding+Like+Origami+in+Your+Pocket/article36598c.htm>

I'm surprised that Apple doesn't market this as a feature: "The new iPhone 6Plus, the only form-fitting phone that molds to the contour of your body foradded comfort!"

They may have problems unloading their collection of iPhone 6's.<http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/mobiles/bendgate-apple-iphone-6-plus-found-bending-in-pants-pockets-20140923-10l5qm.html><http://www.dailytech.com/iBend+Reports+Grow+of+RazorThin+iPhone+6+Folding+Like+Origami+in+Your+Pocket/article36598c.htm>

I'm surprised that Apple doesn't market this as a feature: "The new iPhone 6Plus, the only form-fitting phone that molds to the contour of your body foradded comfort!"

Flexible phones have already been patented by LG:<http://www.lg.com/us/mobile-phones/gflex>Soon, all smartphones will look like a pretzel, or maybe not:"The flexibility of this product is limited. This phone maybe bent flat up to 180 degrees for a limited period of timeonly. Do not bend inward or twist."

The next Apple "innovation" will probably be an all rubber smartphone.No add-on rubber bumper and screen protector required. It will bendand twist to fit any back pocket. A phone you can really sit on.