I wonder how many people here walk away from a two hour show moaning about what the band didn't play rather than enjoying in what they did play?

The setlist, the lineup, blah blah, it goes on. I know people who can lament and criticise a show even before attending it (in fact, in such cases they do not intend to, and perhaps therefore want to ruin the experience for those who are a bit more open minded).

I know people who can lament and criticise a show even before attending it (in fact, in such cases they do not intend to, and perhaps therefore want to ruin the experience for those who are a bit more open minded).

Well, there's the theory that the less expectant you attend a show the more you will enjoy it, rather than expecting too much and likely coming out disappointed

Yeah, but in this case, these were people who didn't attend. They tried to spread their pre-conceived notions to the rest. It didn't dent the attendance at that show, though, nor the enthusiasm of either the band or the audience.

I wonder how many people here walk away from a two hour show moaning about what the band didn't play rather than enjoying in what they did play?

That's precisely why Roger Waters is able to travel around the world
with The Wall for the third year in a row. People get exactly what
they're expecting. No surprises, no new stuff, not even a slightly new
rendition of the songs. The guitarist is copying Gilmour note for note. It was very enjoyable.

I am confirm that prog music is popular in the70s.I believe that not only prog music is favorite to me but also everybody loves prog.I am very glad to read article about prog.If you want to collect more songs,let's get started!

Yeah, but in this case, these were people who didn't attend.† They tried to spread their pre-conceived notions to the rest.† It didn't dent the attendance at that show, though, nor the enthusiasm of either the band or the audience. †

Or wouldn'tattend. How many sneer at personnel decisions that result in a line-up that they disapprove of, to the extent they refuse to attend a show to judge for themselves?!

I wonder how many people here walk away from a two hour show moaning about what the band didn't play rather than enjoying in what they did play?

That's precisely why Roger Waters is able to travel around the world with The Wall for the third year in a row. People get exactly what they're expecting. No surprises, no new stuff, not even a slightly new rendition of the songs. The guitarist is copying Gilmour note for note. It was very enjoyable.

I disagree, and find this unfair.

Things like "The Wall" are a one in a lifetime chance to see something that is out of this world and not just a rock'less and meaningless piece of music and experience.

You might never ever have the appreciation for having caught a Pavarotti, or a Misha, or a Nureyev, or a Segovia ... and "The Wall" fits in to the grand category ... and you make it sound like any of those people did not dance, or move, or play, or sing ... something else that was not there before!

Trashing PF on that note is unfair and an unkind gesture!

It just tells you that Genesis, does not have enough care and respect for "The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway", to show it on a stage ever again! ... but no ... you trash Roger, for something that he cares and has been fairly honorable about for half his life!

That's grossly unfair! Specially when you compare it to 2nd rate groups doing nothing but "their hits" all their life!

Edited by moshkito - August 03 2013 at 15:10

... none of the hits, none of the time ... now you know what the art is all about! www.pedrosena.com

Hi, I'm curious to know whether the most well known prog had some popularity at it's peak. Like, was stuff like Close to the Edge or Foxtrot commonly known during that time or just a mere niche? This was before my time so I'm very curious to know exactly what prog significance was during it's peak.

It was a glorious time indeed. As already mentioned FM radio then played a key role, but not just by playing the music, but also offering lots of inside info about these bands. All these bands were touring at the same as they must have crossed paths in the skies in their jets. I was very lucky as I was living in San Francisco at the time and the Bay Area was concert goers paradise. Within a three or four month period I saw ELP, Yes, and The Strawbs. all of them always sold out. I remember going to see Genesis The Lamb lies Down On Broadway show in Berkeley and blew the top of my head off! The audience was deafening when they came back out and played The Musical Box & Watcher Of The Skies for their encores. That show became the crowning moment of concerts for me. But it was 1975 and things were starting to change. And here we are in 2013 and Prog is still popular today in its many shapes and forms which is a testament to the greatness and timelessness of the music and its musicians.

I wonder how many people here walk away from a two hour show moaning about what the band didn't play rather than enjoying in what they did play?

That's precisely why Roger Waters is able to travel around the world with The Wall for the third year in a row. People get exactly what they're expecting. No surprises, no new stuff, not even a slightly new rendition of the songs. The guitarist is copying Gilmour note for note. It was very enjoyable.

I disagree, and find this unfair.

Things like "The Wall" are a one in a lifetime chance to see something that is out of this world and not just a rock'less and meaningless piece of music and experience.

You might never ever have the appreciation for having caught a Pavarotti, or a Misha, or a Nureyev, or a Segovia ... and "The Wall" fits in to the grand category ... and you make it sound like any of those people did not dance, or move, or play, or sing ... something else that was not there before!

Trashing PF on that note is unfair and an unkind gesture!

It just tells you that Genesis, does not have enough care and respect for "The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway", to show it on a stage ever again! ... but no ... you trash Roger, for something that he cares and has been fairly honorable about for half his life!

That's grossly unfair! Specially when you compare it to 2nd rate groups doing nothing but "their hits" all their life!

Hi, I'm curious to know whether the most well known prog had some popularity at it's peak. Like, was stuff like Close to the Edge or Foxtrot commonly known during that time or just a mere niche? This was before my time so I'm very curious to know exactly what prog significance was during it's peak.

It was a glorious time indeed. As already mentioned FM radio then played a key role, but not just by playing the music, but also offering lots of inside info about these bands. All these bands were touring at the same as they must have crossed paths in the skies in their jets. I was very lucky as I was living in San Francisco at the time and the Bay Area was concert goers paradise. Within a three or four month period I saw ELP, Yes, and The Strawbs. all of them always sold out.

I was in the SF Bay Area too and I remember when both "Going for the One" and "Tormato" was released FM station KOME made a big deal out of it and played them in their entirety. We also had a local DJ named Greg Stone who had a weekly prog radio show called "Stone Trek". He switched radio stations a few times but his show was always on Sunday nights. He did a good job of mixing well known prog with some lesser known bands and a lot of Genesis and Yes bootleg recordings. He never went really deep obscure into non-English bands like Ange or Banco or US bands like Yezda Urfa or Mirthrandir, but his show was a nice break from hearing Led Zeppelin-Bad Company-Journey-Jefferson Starship 24/7

It was a glorious time indeed. As already mentioned FM radio then played a key role, but not just by playing the music, but also offering lots of inside info about these bands. All these bands were touring at the same as they must have crossed paths in the skies in their jets. I was very lucky as I was living in San Francisco at the time and the Bay Area was concert goers paradise. Within a three or four month period I saw ELP, Yes, and The Strawbs. all of them always sold out.

I was in the SF Bay Area too and I remember when both "Going for the One" and "Tormato" was released FM station KOME made a big deal out of it and played them in their entirety. We also had a local DJ named Greg Stone who had a weekly prog radio show called "Stone Trek". He switched radio stations a few times but his show was always on Sunday nights. He did a good job of mixing well known prog with some lesser known bands and a lot of Genesis and Yes bootleg recordings. He never went really deep obscure into non-English bands like Ange or Banco or US bands like Yezda Urfa or Mirthrandir, but his show was a nice break from hearing Led Zeppelin-Bad Company-Journey-Jefferson Starship 24/7

Yeah, good 'ol KOME! How can I forget! Man this is taking me back! I'm not sure if I remember Greg Stone, but I do remember the bootleg recordings. I always made sure I had a blank cassette ready to record something. I do remember one night they played a whole side of PFM's Photos of Ghosts. It's the first time I'd heard them. Man I wish I still had that bag of cassettes!

It was a glorious time indeed. As already mentioned FM radio then played a key role, but not just by playing the music, but also offering lots of inside info about these bands. All these bands were touring at the same as they must have crossed paths in the skies in their jets. I was very lucky as I was living in San Francisco at the time and the Bay Area was concert goers paradise. Within a three or four month period I saw ELP, Yes, and The Strawbs. all of them always sold out.

I was in the SF Bay Area too and I remember when both "Going for the One" and "Tormato" was released FM station KOME made a big deal out of it and played them in their entirety. We also had a local DJ named Greg Stone who had a weekly prog radio show called "Stone Trek". He switched radio stations a few times but his show was always on Sunday nights. He did a good job of mixing well known prog with some lesser known bands and a lot of Genesis and Yes bootleg recordings. He never went really deep obscure into non-English bands like Ange or Banco or US bands like Yezda Urfa or Mirthrandir, but his show was a nice break from hearing Led Zeppelin-Bad Company-Journey-Jefferson Starship 24/7

Yeah, good 'ol KOME! How can I forget! Man this is taking me back! I'm not sure if I remember Greg Stone, but I do remember the bootleg recordings. I always made sure I had a blank cassette ready to record something. I do remember one night they played a whole side of PFM's Photos of Ghosts. It's the first time I'd heard them. Man I wish I still had that bag of cassettes!

Ya, there were also these great independently owned record shops that catered to prog. Greg Stone either owned - or worked at - one in downtown Los Gatos called "The Galactic Zoo" (where I bought "Pawn Hearts"). In West San Jose you had "The Dedicated Record Collector". Downtown near San Jose State University was "Underground Records" (where I bought all my King Crimson bootlegs). And in Sunnyvale near my house was "Phonograph Records". I rode my 10 speed down one early September Saturday in 1977 and told the guy behind the counter I'd seen some really cool album covers from some band called King Crimson, and asked if he could tell me anything about them. He get's this evil smile and says, "I'll put something on so you can hear them for yourself" He then dropped the needle on Fracture and changed my life

I doubt crimson and genesis had big concerts in the 70s like Tull, yes, elp etc. I don't like crimson and genesis from 1970-75 as much as Tull and yes in this era. I reckon gentle giant deserved bigger followings and van der graaf would have had a bigger following if they didn't break up between 1972 and 74. Not sure why elp became so big. They were pretty crap after 1973

All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock.

I doubt crimson and genesis had big concerts in the 70s like Tull, yes, elp etc. I don't like crimson and genesis from 1970-75 as much as Tull and yes in this era. I reckon gentle giant deserved bigger followings and van der graaf would have had a bigger following if they didn't break up between 1972 and 74. Not sure why elp became so big. They were pretty crap after 1973

Where was it you obtained your PhD in Progology exactly? I really do think you should send it back and ask for a refund, then change your name of course.

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