I've PM'd LIG71 and suggested he contact grateful-ted about the European Matrix (desperately trying to not sound like I'm a cheap, lazy bastard blowing him off) and also sent a PM to grateful-ted (think he's British) to let him know what's going on. Keeping my cheap, lazy bastard fingers crossed. Thanks again for the help

MarkintheDark

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So there is a copy of the Matrix Vol. 1 already in Europe, somewhere, that LIG71 should sign on to? And are we here in the US to discourage (maybe that's not the word I want) overseas 'heads from signing up on US vines? Don't know where a viner is until he (or she) sends us his (or her) address and I'd hate to be the guy in front of the guy in Lichtenstein who's waited for a vine for months only to be outed as a European when he sends me his address. If you can follow that messy sentence there.

This Matrix vine has been slow going over here, and there are seven people after LIG71. If there's already a copy over there maybe I should PM him to check on it, or at least make sure he can handle just the DVDs. This Matrix vine is a beast, as you know, and I've already promised Frankly in the Czech Republic that I'd send over a copy of the 1991 DSB vine - and I've already confirmed he *doesn't* do DVDs/flac.

Unrelated: Deadheads, Talking Heads and David Gans wrote a book on 'em. That is too synchronisticly funny. Thanks for the pointer Oroboros.

You guys are the coolest.

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Vines started in Europe have US and Europe Versions (the latter posted on the Vines Across the Waters forum)

Some vines started in the US have also been seeded in Europe if someone here asks and if someone there is kind enough to make and send a copy. They then get posted on Vines Across the Waters and circulate on.

When US vines start to slow down some have also gone to and fro across the big pond.
Most (but not all) transatlantic traffic has been in DVDs only , it keeps costs down and avoids the attention of customs. Most of us in Europe are quite OK with handling DVDs and someone in the US normally volunteers to make CD copies of vines coming from Europe. (If you are sending vines internationally make sure you fill in on the customs declaration that the contents of the package are a gift of no commercial value)

Vines in Europe don't tend to last so long as there are not so many of us, because the post is quite fast, because we normally just use DVDs and also because many here are well hooked into other ways of getting shows. Expired Eurovines are generally offered to members of the Eurotraders site (a Yahoo group of Eurodeadheads).

Since I started the Matrix vine in Europe it was also offered from the start on the Vines Across the Waters forum . The last to offer it there was grateful-ted back on October,27 so ideally LIG71 would contact him to get it.

I hope that makes sense. Its all a wonderful evolved disorganisation that works pretty well because of the kindness of all involved.

Sorta technical, and I didn't want to fill up "New Vines" with one of my long, rambling endlessly wordy posts.

What is the preference regarding people from outside the US signing onto the "normal" USA vines, vs signing up on Eurovines? Recently LIG71 received the Boston Tea Party vine which he had signed up for some time ago. Turns out he's in France. He does have the vine and will be sending it back over here at some point (to me, since I'm next), but my understanding was that the Eurovines were set up to avoid the ocean crossing and the resultant 2 - 3 week delay in transit (not to mention whatever that postage is like). Are the Euroheads aware of this, or how does a person in France or wherever know they should only sign up on the Eurovines (if that is the case)? Frankly (who is in the Czech Republic) pulled out of the 1991 DSB vine because of the issue (although I said I'd send him a copy 'cause I'm a fuckin' grate guy) but LIG71 is after me on at least one vine, and as long as any vine is going to go across to Europe it seems like we should just send a copy and it can stay there and circulate, while keeping the original vine here growing. I haven't checked the Eurovine forum (guess I need to but have too many to keep up with already), how does that system work?

School me. Thanks

Cheers,
MarkintheDark

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Just wanted to see how that looked in print.
David Byrne is pretty much a genius, I think. I just missed seeing him here in Louisville, doing a show of the Byrne/Eno stuff (without Eno). Heard it was enjoyable.
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