Post by rational on Jun 14, 2017 9:14:52 GMT -5

I am believe some do. Some apparently choose to go down that road. Can you prove that it is not so?

I think a person might choose to take a certain action but whether it is a good or bad action is a judgement call. Jean Valjean stole bread for his starving sister and family and ended up spending almost 20 years in prison. Javert thought what he had done was bad but Bishop Myriel covered up the fact that Jean Valjean had taken his silver. But then, in another story Rodion Raskolnikov rides the ups and downs of his deeds in a long (and, for me, oft confusing) story of committing a crime and the attempted justification of the act. Not sure whether the act is good or bad unless evaluated in the context of the circumstances surrounding the event.

Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2017 11:30:10 GMT -5

I am believe some do. Some apparently choose to go down that road. Can you prove that it is not so?

I think a person might choose to take a certain action but whether it is a good or bad action is a judgement call. Jean Valjean stole bread for his starving sister and family and ended up spending almost 20 years in prison. Javert thought what he had done was bad but Bishop Myriel covered up the fact that Jean Valjean had taken his silver. But then, in another story Rodion Raskolnikov rides the ups and downs of his deeds in a long (and, for me, oft confusing) story of committing a crime and the attempted justification of the act. Not sure whether the act is good or bad unless evaluated in the context of the circumstances surrounding the event.

Home invaders who break into people's homes, rob and rape them, is that good or bad by any standards? Is there a judgement call there?

Post by So on Jun 14, 2017 18:30:59 GMT -5

So , if there is no Super- standard that prevails, then

everything disintegrates into chaos/futility, as Solomon experienced, all the things of this earthly house is vanity and vexation of spirit, and yet he understood , that when we hear Gods voice, we should harken to it, and not depart from his precepts/laws. That wemay live a "good life". .......jmt

Post by rational on Jun 16, 2017 21:47:11 GMT -5

I think a person might choose to take a certain action but whether it is a good or bad action is a judgement call. Jean Valjean stole bread for his starving sister and family and ended up spending almost 20 years in prison. Javert thought what he had done was bad but Bishop Myriel covered up the fact that Jean Valjean had taken his silver. But then, in another story Rodion Raskolnikov rides the ups and downs of his deeds in a long (and, for me, oft confusing) story of committing a crime and the attempted justification of the act. Not sure whether the act is good or bad unless evaluated in the context of the circumstances surrounding the event.

Home invaders who break into people's homes, rob and rape them, is that good or bad by any standards? Is there a judgement call there?

I believe this is close to the orders given by the god of the OT to his people regarding the people they were invading at the time.

Post by So on Jun 17, 2017 6:55:16 GMT -5

Home invaders who break into people's homes, rob and rape them, is that good or bad by any standards? Is there a judgement call there?

I believe this is close to the orders given by the god of the OT to his people regarding the people they were invading at the time.

God, known to His people as (aka: Creator of all)has guidelines for us to "live by"... Because His people were chosen for the purpose todemonstrate His kindness, yet , a cardinal rule even in a society that has no thought toward our Creator, Trust and obeying areParamount to Life.

When we fail in this basic premise, we miss the wholepoint of a conscious life, we become "lifeless", in truth. We might think we "know " what real life is but we don't. "Living, they live not!"

Our Creator can be trusted, but whoa to those who do nottrust, for they are already dead(In and to :the eternal concepts)

Is material life , "fair"? At times we don't understand why things don't seem "fair" , but as we trust the One worthy of our trust, we find we get more than a fair chance totrust and be trusted, love because we were first loved.

Post by So on Jun 17, 2017 7:10:35 GMT -5

personally, I do not believe the " intelligence " world can be comprehended by the "material" world.

Intelligence governs the materialism/matter.

Intelligence has always existed, it is eternal, materialism is just a small small world, that exists as a flower in the field, here today, gone tomorrow..... Why? Because of how it was created, all presumed by the way the DNA/RNA gives its outline /timeline....All for the purpose, it was designed for.

To everything there is a purpose, a time for everything under "heaven" .

That means heaven rules over all matter/material, for which it was created

Post by snow on Jun 17, 2017 14:23:56 GMT -5

The God of the OT had no trouble ordering his chosen people to create murder and mayhem. That God, imo, is not worthy of worship even if he did exist.

In the end there will only be three things that matter. How much you loved, how gently you lived, and how gracefully you let go of the things not meant for you. The BuddhaMorality comes not from a book, or a guy up in the sky, but from the idea that how you treat people matters, because how people feel matters. Unknown.

Post by So on Jun 17, 2017 17:44:20 GMT -5

The God of the OT had no trouble ordering his chosen people to create murder and mayhem. That God, imo, is not worthy of worship even if he did exist.

And who said you could eat things ?You have no problem eating things that have "life" in them..As we consider justice for all living things, how can anyone escape Unscathed , except the One that promised that we would all have an eternity to ponder our conscience, and consciousness/(aka)our reasonings.... but as for the material world, it will disappear/.....

Post by xna on Jun 17, 2017 21:15:40 GMT -5

donthink that they were still in the same boat,but there "_ _ _........" was covered, conscience washealed, they could move on with other issues in their lives.

The day they disobeyed , it was said that they would die.And since a day for God is as a thousand years. They were both dead in that "day".

If you want to live, you need to know what real living is , if you know this, you have much tobe thankful for. IMHO.

The bible starting with Genesis has many inconsistencies & contradictions, so you can't take it literally, or consider it a serious recording of fact.

In Genesis it says that Adam and Eve were both originally naked, "but they were not ashamed." After they ate of the Tree of Knowledge, we are told that "the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked." This of course makes no sense, as even a blind man knows if he is naked or not.

BTW this story has the first lie by god in Genesis 2:17 you read "but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die." They ate but did NOT die.

donthink that they were still in the same boat,but there "_ _ _........" was covered, conscience washealed, they could move on with other issues in their lives.

The day they disobeyed , it was said that they would die.And since a day for God is as a thousand years. They were both dead in that "day".

If you want to live, you need to know what real living is , if you know this, you have much tobe thankful for. IMHO.

BTW this story has the first lie by god in Genesis 2:17 you read "but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die." They ate but did NOT die.

they started dying the minute they took the first bite...

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Post by xna on Jun 17, 2017 22:26:10 GMT -5

BTW this story has the first lie by god in Genesis 2:17 you read "but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die." They ate but did NOT die.

they started dying the minute they took the first bite...

Starting to die, is not the same as being dead.

It says "in that day that you eat from it you will surely die."

A day is one revolution of the earth, & one revolution later they were still alive. They did not die that day.

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