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Toupee Fiasco means to, as well. But many would rather talk what they say as "free speech", and just paper over the overtly violent incidents - or, would worse cases, would prefer to stereotypes ton the black person involved.

And given that Putin is, himself, a white nationalist who openly persecutes LGBT Russians, I do not trust his word for an instant. And since he's linked to Toupee Fiasco, who only cares about erasing Obama's achievements (this won't work, Fiasco will go down as one of the worst residents in US history).

Well...yes, I can easily see a clown like Spencer going from "peaceful ethnic cleansing" to "Het, they won't leave like we so kindly asked, let's do it by force." That's years away, but don't think that, for example ISIS, isn't enforcing the idea.

I don't agree with every antifa group, that should be obvious by nows. However, I object far snottily against the BS who thinks that hate-peddlers lie Spence are simply presenting ideas. It'd be far better to teach kids how to react, and how to argue against that sort of stereotype thinking.

I don't recall who suggested this, but someone in this forum once said that Mueller's investigation leaks like a sieve. Since nothing relevant has leaked, nothing could be there.

As it turns out, it turns out that they did not leak the guilty plea of Papa... this isn't a good argument. Mueller seems to be running a right team.

It's almost as though the leaks that occurred were strategic.

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Expenditure on healthcarehttp://www.oecd.org/els/health-systems/health-data.htm
link is 2015 data (2013 Data below):
UK 8.5% of GDP of which 83.3% is public expenditure - 7.1% of GDP is public spending
US 16.4% of GDP of which 48.2% is public expenditure - 7.9% of GDP is public spending

First of all, you are assuming that Trump is actually smart/clever enough to engage in any sort of mocking. Given the fact that Trump has an intelligence level roughly the same as Forrest Gump, it would be correct to be skeptical of a claim that its just 'mockery'.

But lets give him the benefit of the doubt... lets say he really didn't want Russia/China to hack into Clinton's emails. Its still a joke/comment of a very questionable nature. (There are some things you don't joke about.)

Keep in mind that at the time, multiple Republican congress critters also criticized Trump fro his comments.

Starting this post the way you did just makes the rest look silly, good try though.

Well, Hillary is certainly smart enough to use two layers of intermediaries (or three, depending upon how you count), but I doubt Trump is. Which is why I suspect Trump is cleaner than your average presidential candidate. If Mueller conducted the same investigation of Hillary's campaign, you would see quid pro quos with foreign countries all the hell over the place, although with just enough of a buffer that other people would be taking the fall.

The Clintons certainly have a lot of experience with this. Of course our liberal friends on here arenít thinking about that.

That Trump, personally, knowingly, willingly, maliciously, conspired with the enemy against America and against Democracy. (That should not have been difficult to get, for I wrote it verbally in the post you pretend not to understand)

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I will be surprised if we ever see clear evidence of collusion reaching Trump personally. Even an ignoramus knows to use minions to conduct dirty work. Also, collusion could easily be accomplished with just winks and nods.

I agree. I think collusion is a bit of a red herring : when no collusion is found it will be presented as showing no Russian influence on the election, which is, of course, another matter entirely.

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But itís still a hoax, your side doesnít have a thing and Mueller needs to resign and get ready to be interviewed. nothing that follows the trolling confession can be taken seriously and is divorced from reality."

I wouldnít expect you to see it any other way, in fact Iím delighted that you look at it that way.

I don't get why this is so hard to understand for people on the right. If anyone is guilty of a crime, no matter their political affiliation, then they should be prosecuted for said crime.

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I agree. I think collusion is a bit of a red herring : when no collusion is found it will be presented as showing no Russian influence on the election, which is, of course, another matter entirely.

Yeah, I think this was a bad tactic. I personally think a lot more would have been gleaned by taking a softer, less sensationalist approach to this matter. Then the facts would carry more weight. As it stands, if they can't make "collusion" or something similar stick... it's going to end up looking like a failure in the eyes of most media-viewers.

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I don't get why this is so hard to understand for people on the right. If anyone is guilty of a crime, no matter their political affiliation, then they should be prosecuted for said crime.

I think that a lot of people on the right, it's not that they don't get it... it's that they don't believe it of those on the left. I think they feel they've observed a willingness to overlook and forgive crimes on the left. I think many on the right believe that if someone on the left is guilty of a crime, the left will make excuses about why it was actually okay...

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I don't think Trump is that smart. He knows how to pay people off, but not necessarily how to keep his hands clean. Anyone with a pathologic sense of self like Trump's will almost certainly be stupid and careless acting on the belief he is above it all.

I think Trump's more vulnerable on money-laundering, which he'd see as clever business which he'd naturally be terribly good at. While not being.

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There's gangsters and organized crime everywhere at the top level of (not only) US government, including Mueller who has a lot of skeletons in his closet not least covering up for international networks post-9/11. It's anybodies guess where this tumbling abomination will turn next, but the fact that Trump is now closing in on one year after election, untouched by anything but a cacaphony of pre$$titute noise, shows that if there's mayor dirt on him, it can't be untangled without bringing the whole House of Cards down.

You know, I'd love to have a TARDIS-like machine but that also allowed me to go into alternate timelines and realities, because I'd check out the one where Hillary is president and Mueller is investigating her, and all else is the same. I'd bet some money that people like you would be assuring the members here that Mueller is some sort of justice paragon and avatar/incarnation of the law.

I guess I have my answer about how the Trump defenders would spin this. Actually, they're spinning in place.

I think that a lot of people on the right, it's not that they don't get it... it's that they don't believe it of those on the left. I think they feel they've observed a willingness to overlook and forgive crimes on the left. I think many on the right believe that if someone on the left is guilty of a crime, the left will make excuses about why it was actually okay...

I've never read so much hypocrisy in one statement up to this point.

You mean, like this entire thread of righties touting ad nauseum that this is a witch hunt, and that there's nothing here? Or how about the discussion of Trump grabbing women (and admitted to walking in on underage girls at a Miss Teen USA event), where the majority of the right dismissed it as "locker room talk" among guys? Or how about the other thousand times that Trump, or his family, has been involved in paying off State Attorney's, or threatening people, or broken ethics, and the right has completely justified it?

Wow. Outstanding.

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Toupee Fiasco means to, as well. But many would rather talk what they say as "free speech", and just paper over the overtly violent incidents - or, would worse cases, would prefer to stereotypes ton the black person involved.

And given that Putin is, himself, a white nationalist who openly persecutes LGBT Russians, I do not trust his word for an instant. And since he's linked to Toupee Fiasco, who only cares about erasing Obama's achievements (this won't work, Fiasco will go down as one of the worst residents in US history).

You really donít know what I mean do you? Iím not explaining it to you, because itís a simple statement and you should easily understand it.

This is a type of behaviour that has always fascinated me. Say something, and then refuse to explain it only when people don't understand. The idiotic part is that, if said people did understand it, there'd be no need to explain it. In other words, there is no intention for the utterance to make sense, otherwise explaining would be the choice to make.

So my conclusion is that you don't know what you meant, either. You posted it because you thought I wouldn't call you on it, and there's actually no meaning behind it.

I think that a lot of people on the right, it's not that they don't get it... it's that they don't believe it of those on the left. I think they feel they've observed a willingness to overlook and forgive crimes on the left. I think many on the right believe that if someone on the left is guilty of a crime, the left will make excuses about why it was actually okay...

Of course this is all ridiculous based on what the corporate media (on the top) broadcasts to the masses (on the bottom) who should understand that these "left" and "right" terms are completely meaningless in current year society, not least because the US is a post-industrial society. There is no working class anymore. "Left" and "Right" are defined, if by anything, by opinions on matters of social life, what is a family, is it ok to be gay, what shall we do about it. And the answer is of course to realize that this can be resolved by basic tolerance. If you tolerate my hobbies, I'll tolerate yours. The Guns and Dope Party imagined by Robert Anton Wilson (pbuh) a long time ago. And what we shouldn't tolerate is a "political'" class - that is enriching an oligarchy that pays them - investigating itself. Because the outcome is clear and only in their interest.

You mean, like this entire thread of righties touting ad nauseum that this is a witch hunt, and that there's nothing here? Or how about the discussion of Trump grabbing women (and admitted to walking in on underage girls at a Miss Teen USA event), where the majority of the right dismissed it as "locker room talk" among guys? Or how about the other thousand times that Trump, or his family, has been involved in paying off State Attorney's, or threatening people, or broken ethics, and the right has completely justified it?

Wow. Outstanding.

Notice how the support for the right is veiled as an attempt to understand the "other" side? I don't know if you noticed the pattern yet.

You know, I'd love to have a TARDIS-like machine but that also allowed me to go into alternate timelines and realities, because I'd check out the one where Hillary is president and Mueller is investigating her, and all else is the same. I'd bet some money that people like you would be assuring the members here that Mueller is some sort of justice paragon and avatar/incarnation of the law.

I guess I have my answer about how the Trump defenders would spin this. Actually, they're spinning in place.

In what reality would Hillary fire the FBI director necessitating the appointment of a special counsel? Republican appointees run the DoJ right now. Hillary isnít being prosecuted because thereís no case. Its always been political theater designed to hurt her poll numbers. There'd just be endless house select committees knowingly investigating nothing.

Our system of fees, daily taxes, fines and bail is horribly biased against the poor. Being out $500 or $1000 to a bondsman for a charge (assuming not a career crim) is quite the hardship.

For the wealthy white-collar accused... bail is likely not.
He may not have the cash, but depending on his real property for collateral he may not be out a penny (I don't expect he's going tor run). Hardly extortion.

Hell... I've put up staggering amounts of cash (for others) just to avoid the 10% bond fee. A year and change later... I got it all back (I guess it cost me the availability of that money for the period).

You should look at Scandinavian DUI fines, where they've flipped it around.
I think it's a percentage of wealth... a rich drunk can lose the value of a Ferrari, or more.

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"Both cannot be simultaneously true, and so one may conclude neither is true, and if neither is true, then Apollo is fraudulent." -- Patrick1000.

I think that a lot of people on the right, it's not that they don't get it... it's that they don't believe it of those on the left. I think they feel they've observed a willingness to overlook and forgive crimes on the left. I think many on the right believe that if someone on the left is guilty of a crime, the left will make excuses about why it was actually okay...

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