Very wise words.
The DT770 Pro 80 is usually found at the same price as the DT990 pro. I would say the DT990 pro is NOTICEABLY better than the 770 Pro 80s. At times, Amazon has a listing for the DT990 pros for around $170. I'd go for them at that price, no problem. At least for you guys. Too much mid bass for me, but I'm sensitive to mid bass as it gives me headaches if it's too tipped upward.
I'd only recommend the 770 Pro 80 IF you needed isolation/noise leakage control, and a whopping amount of bass. They are a a great can for immersion, no denying it, and they have probably the very best surround sound positioning I've ever heard.

I can find the dt990 pro's for 199 but they are the 250 ohm version for which i don't have the amp or soundcard to drive

What would you say will be able to sufficiently drive 80 ohm headphones ?

Will be using onboard soundcard ( Realtek HD onboard ) and the Sony NW-HD5/iPhone 3G

Very wise words.
The DT770 Pro 80 is usually found at the same price as the DT990 pro. I would say the DT990 pro is NOTICEABLY better than the 770 Pro 80s. At times, Amazon has a listing for the DT990 pros for around $170. I'd go for them at that price, no problem. At least for you guys. Too much mid bass for me, but I'm sensitive to mid bass as it gives me headaches if it's too tipped upward.
I'd only recommend the 770 Pro 80 IF you needed isolation/noise leakage control, and a whopping amount of bass. They are a a great can for immersion, no denying it, and they have probably the very best surround sound positioning I've ever heard.

Just two more comments on this as MLE is thinking strictly gaming here (it is a gaming thread after all) - If you're just getting into headphones and plan to use your first good pair with sources other than a headphone amp hooked to your console, and you want to save some cash by not having to get a portable amp on top of the cost of the console amp, I'd say get the 770 Pro 80s. Not the best reason as I did this to save money at first... but here I am less than a year later with my E17 in the mail, wishing I'd gotten the 250 ohms because I'll have no trouble driving them from my laptop/iPod when the E17 arrives. Kind of a long term planning fail on my part, but it did save me about $200 in the short term between a good deal on used 770s and not having to buy a portable amp.

If you're a PC gamer rather than console looking to get your first pair of high-end headphones, the 770s are an insane value as you can just EQ them slightly and shave off a little of the bass when gaming to turn them into an excellent "competitive" headphone. Then you can have a closed+comfortable (awesome for portable use), easy to drive (saves money on amps as mentioned above), and great for gaming (with a little EQ) all in one headphone that should put up a great fight against the upgrade itch... at least until you have cash to blow and start thinking about getting a pair of those 990s everyone likes a little better for gaming too for home use... :D

After having them for a year and putting them through the best example of headphone hell I can think of (*cough* two seasons of rowing with 50lbs of books in the same backpack *cough*) they haven't got a single scratch on them, it'd be hard to tell they were ever used if not for the usual pad coloration and faded lettering. All the "built like a tank" comments? Tank is an understatement, it's honestly more like "bomb shelter". The weeks of research and reviews I read before getting first pair of $100+ headphones really paid off, they really are all-around to the point they qualify as the swiss army knife of the headphone world. In short, 990s have the edge in SQ but they're open and need amping, which in some cases makes all the difference.

Just two more comments on this as MLE is thinking strictly gaming here (it is a gaming thread after all) - If you're just getting into headphones and plan to use your first good pair with sources other than a headphone amp hooked to your console, and you want to save some cash by not having to get a portable amp on top of the cost of the console amp, I'd say get the 770 Pro 80s. Not the best reason as I did this to save money at first... but here I am less than a year later with my E17 in the mail, wishing I'd gotten the 250 ohms because I'll have no trouble driving them from my laptop/iPod when the E17 arrives. Kind of a long term planning fail on my part, but it did save me about $200 in the short term between a good deal on used 770s and not having to buy a portable amp.

If you're a PC gamer rather than console looking to get your first pair of high-end headphones, the 770s are an insane value as you can just EQ them slightly and shave off a little of the bass when gaming to turn them into an excellent "competitive" headphone. Then you can have a closed+comfortable (awesome for portable use), easy to drive (saves money on amps as mentioned above), and great for gaming (with a little EQ) all in one headphone that should put up a great fight against the upgrade itch... at least until you have cash to blow and start thinking about getting a pair of those 990s everyone likes a little better for gaming too for home use... :D

After having them for a year and putting them through the best example of headphone hell I can think of (*cough* two seasons of rowing with 50lbs of books in the same backpack *cough*) they haven't got a single scratch on them, it'd be hard to tell they were ever used if not for the usual pad coloration and faded lettering. All the "built like a tank" comments? Tank is an understatement, it's honestly more like "bomb shelter". The weeks of research and reviews I read before getting first pair of $100+ headphones really paid off, they really are all-around to the point they qualify as the swiss army knife of the headphone world. In short, 990s have the edge in SQ but they're open and need amping, which in some cases makes all the difference.

Would you say the 770 pros are fantastic for movies and music as well ?

Would you say the 770 pros are fantastic for movies and music as well ?

The bass on the 770s gets a bad rap, but I'm going to have to paraphrase something I read in someone's review of them a while back. It's really like Jekyll and Hyde. When you listen to music with average bass they sound clear but nothing that takes your breath away, normal Jekyll dude style. When you plug them into any game, movie, or rap song made after let's say 2000 that goes out of its way to have bombastic sub-happy wuhwuhwuhdubs, you're going to do a double take when Mr. Hyde shows up. Yes there's just so much of it, but it's more the fact that it's so clean. They're one of the only pairs of cans in that price range that interfere with positioning in games not because they're sloppy with the bass to the point of distraction, but because they flaunt the clean bass to the point it starts to mask the quieter highs just a little. So yes, when you're doing things other than gaming it's really not going to take away your enjoyment at all, though they're not quite as nice sounding as the 990s

The bass on the 770s gets a bad rap, but I'm going to have to paraphrase something I read in someone's review of them a while back. It's really like Jekyll and Hyde. When you listen to music with average bass they sound clear but nothing that takes your breath away, normal Jekyll dude style. When you plug them into any game, movie, or rap song made after let's say 2000 that goes out of its way to have bombastic sub-happy wuhwuhwuhdubs, you're going to do a double take when Mr. Hyde shows up. Yes there's just so much of it, but it's more the fact that it's so clean. They're one of the only pairs of cans in that price range that interfere with positioning in games not because they're sloppy with the bass to the point of distraction, but because they flaunt the clean bass to the point it starts to mask the quieter highs just a little. So yes, when you're doing things other than gaming it's really not going to take away your enjoyment at all, though they're not quite as nice sounding as the 990s

Which of the following do you think is the better deal ? keep it mind these will be my first "real" headphones that i buy and i don't have an amp nor a soundcard to power these

I am kinda leaning towards the dt770 considering the fact that they are closed so can be used when travelling and also i like my bass punchy. Also I listen to almost all the genres known to man well except jazz and classical

I better get my hearing checked so scientists can use me in experimentation.

I can not stress this enough the Beyer pro (990 at least) are not that hard to drive. Mysterious I use a Realtek HD onboard (full system volume/Itunes quarter volume/Foobar -18db to -25db), Iphone 4s(50 to 60% volume), and a mixamp(1 o'clock with voices mixed in, 11o'clock no voice mixed in). Any higher and I get a lot of ear fatigue to the point it starts to hurt my head. Granted everyone is different.

The Realtek is the most balanced of my sources. The mixamp adds a lot of lower frequency when it's needed almost just slightly where it can bleed a tad into everything. A biotic explosion can literally leave you a tad disoriented. The iphone4s sorta turns it into a mid frequency headphone for me, sure it loses some of it's bass slam but the resolution on the Beyers is so good it keeps the sound up.

I want an amp down the road as well but at the moment i really don't need one. What I want is an amp that helps with low level listening to bring the resolution and depth up a bit. Hoping the ODA or Matrix or E17 can help with that.

What is the model name/number of this device ? There are a number of similar ones, with different specs.

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Originally Posted by Hailin

I better get my hearing checked so scientists can use me in experimentation.

I can not stress this enough the Beyer pro (990 at least) are not that hard to drive. Mysterious I use a Realtek HD onboard (full system volume/Itunes quarter volume/Foobar -18db to -25db), Iphone 4s(50 to 60% volume), and a mixamp(1 o'clock with voices mixed in, 11o'clock no voice mixed in). Any higher and I get a lot of ear fatigue to the point it starts to hurt my head. Granted everyone is different.

The Realtek is the most balanced of my sources. The mixamp adds a lot of lower frequency when it's needed almost just slightly where it can bleed a tad into everything. A biotic explosion can literally leave you a tad disoriented. The iphone4s sorta turns it into a mid frequency headphone for me, sure it loses some of it's bass slam but the resolution on the Beyers is so good it keeps the sound up.

I want an amp down the road as well but at the moment i really don't need one. What I want is an amp that helps with low level listening to bring the resolution and depth up a bit. Hoping the ODA or Matrix or E17 can help with that.

Which 990's do you have exactly ?
Pro or Premium and what is their impedance ?

I Just may go with 770 pro 80 ohms considering that they will probably require the amp the least and also save me 50$ to spend on an amp maybe ?
Any suggestion for which amp to choose for 770 pro's so that i can control the bass when in game and not when am listening to music

I Just may go with 770 pro 80 ohms considering that they will probably require the amp the least and also save me 50$ to spend on an amp maybe ?
Any suggestion for which amp to choose for 770 pro's so that i can control the bass when in game and not when am listening to music

If you're on PC you should be able to EQ without an amp in your sound drivers. If it's console you'll have to ask all the console guys here what they recommend for an amp with EQ.