its fine if smokers want to kill themselves with all sorts of medical problems but why should they see a need to smoke anytime anywhere and cause the rest of us to die from those same problems from 2nd hand smoke

Ok here's taking a few points from every comment you have said. And believe me, I read through every one of your bitchy tirades.

Smokers in a public place should not be allowed smoke around other people because some people don't like the smell. I don't like when babies scream and cry outdoors. They should be banned from public shopping areas.

Hurr Durr mainstream.... and uhh the media! You do realize that you sound like an idiot when talking like that.

I think you pointed out that smokers are using up medical care that could be used for other people. Where do you think medical care funding came from? Good samaritans? No! Do you even know how much tax is taken from a packet of cigarettes? In my country, it amounted to somewhere around €1.5 billion meaning that a lot of people received health care from smokers choosing to smoke.

Have you ever been a smoker? Have you lost somebody to smoking in the past or recently? If so, I may be able to understand some of your reasoning but the nonsense that you have been speaking about is ridiculous saying that people should quit smoking. As someone pointed out, they don't want to love in a nanny state (i.e. China). How would you feel if your government came into your home and told you what to eat every day of the week. Think about this instance: you can only eat raw onions every day except for saturdays in which you can eat grilled onions - a message from your government because we only like to eat onions.

I myself am a smoker of about 10 or 11 years. I like to enjoy a cigarette. I sometimes like to think of it as a hobby. I mostly try to avoid smoking around my area so that the kids don't see it as "cool". I agree that 2nd hand smoke is harmful. But, let's take smoking out of the equation and imagine it's but house construction. The streets are filled with people varnishing their bird houses. The fumes are toxic, but not that toxic. That's how ridiculous your argument is.

as if people varnish their bird houses several times a day every day
you rape logic you a living dont you

i have known people who have died from smoking, i have known people to suffer long-term medical issues from smoking and be ****** up, living half dead

ive never been a smoker, not just because of the poisons, or the fact it makes everything smell like ****, but also the habit of it is very much like a baby sucking on a pacifier....if you need that little distraction to comfort you and be your emotional crutch to help you through life then wtf life do you have?

jesus you're dumb. you don't just walk past someone who's smoking and all of a sudden have cancer, or sit in a restaurant for an hour or two where someone is smoking and suddenly need chemo therapy. 2nd hand smoke is most often found to be caused by someone who lives in a house with a smoker and is constantly subjected to their fumes at all times. This isn't hard to understand just use your brain.

we can't smoke anywhere we want, in fact in most places we can't smoke. and you're not gonna die from second hand smoke unless you're constantly around smokers and even then unless they're blowing the **** in your face or you're inside it won'y have much of an effect on you

i literally logged in just to thumb you down because you are so damn stupid its unbearable.
if we're gonna take away freedoms we should take ur freedom of speech because the stupidity you spew is more cancerous then smoke

how exactly? yes i do agree it can be harmful and is disgusting but why should that affect how you think about people is it same for people who drink alcohol or have sex both can be harmful and both are kind of disgusting

i like the fact you change the conversation instead of coming up with a response and we've been over this second hand smoke is legal because it has almost no affects on your body and your argument makes no sense no one forces second hand smoke on you they don't hold you down and blow it into your mouth and then force you to inhale do they thats what you're implying

no effects according to who? the tobacco industries who produce the **** arent going to admit the truth and lose business, the medical professionals wont say the full story because they work forthe state and the state bends to the will of the corporations including tobacco industry

people who drink or **** near you dont affect you unless they happen to spill booze or jizz on you. but smokers dont even have to try to spread their poison your way

and not just the poisons that go in your lungs but also the fact their nasty habit makes you and your clothes smell just as **** as theirs

do you even understand what a ******* troll is if someone replies to a retarded statement you make with logic and reasoning doesn't make them a troll and no one raged because of your opinion we raged because you expressed it like a twat

the way that corporations have rained **** on peoples lives and sheep like you lap it all up like lemonade and rage at anyone who ever tries to open your eyes to the truth, is proof enough humanity deserves to die

oh god, you're a conspiracy nut as well as a prick you know what there's no point it's like arguing with feminazis or radical Christians no matter how much logic and reasoning you put forth they just keep sprouting off ******** and don't accept facts **** it i'm dumb it wwas fun at first and now it just hearts my brain to read your drivel. i'm off for a smoke.

there is no reason behind blindly following the governments ideals and ************ everyone who questions them

there are alot of problems going on that have been around for too long, and people being have been programmed to think along the lines of "me as one person cant do anything so il just live with it"

problems just dont go away by ignoring them, and those that cause the problems take the indifferent tolerance as a message the people accept the problems as just part of life and move onto bringing in a new set of problems to peoples lives and get them used to living with those ones too

define what your sense of 'reason' is, please explain how is it reasonable to comply with real life **********?

well i kind of think its sad that there are people just just MUST rage at something for days on end

i mean...im all up for proper debates where ideas are thrown back and forth and a proper neutral outcome in accomplished, but times where people just come on to spend days saying "i reject your opinion YOUR WRONG YOUR WRONG" makes me wish there was a god i could ask him ******* why....

look, the thing with smoking is that it's a right, just like breathing fresh air.
Noone is forced to back down, but they both have the option to do so.
So naturally, you, who is bothered by it, has lost.

that's already the case, Smokers are not allowed to smoke inside public buildings that aren't properly ventilated. They can now only smoke outside or in properly ventilated smoking areas.
Or is that not the case where you live?

You're discussing wrong. You didn't answer my question.
I can do what i want, you know. I don't have to give a **** about you. I'm against smoking, but my whole life I've been 2nd hand smoking because i like the bar to play table football and it didn't affect me at all, i'm still alive and healthy.
What really is sad is that you call us trolls just because we have an opinion. We aren't the least bit different, but those who don't care to inhale a harmless amount of poison are the majority. I'm not sure where you're getting at with that whole martyr thing.

way to dodge what i said.
Noone inhales lungfuls while smoking passive, it's impossible, you smoke only small amounts that don't matter over your lifetime.
Considering that you likely live in a city, you should be more worried about the car fumes in the air.

smokers do inhale lungfuls of ****, non-smokers inhale small amounts which poison them slowly as it builds up over time of inhaling it here and there

as ive tried to point out to several tards here, its bad enough people have to inhale car exhaust fumes while people use cars for practical reasons without people also inhaling 2nd hand smoke when smoking has no practical purpose

proven? really....
proof please, ive seen tons of non-smokers more productive than smokers, its all about the mindset of the people,
if smokers need to intake chemicals to achieve what non-smokers can do if they tried, then smoking is only practical to get lazy people to work harder with a self-reward system

and proof on the relaxation part, do they actually relax people or is it more a self-taught thing of someone consuming something and telling themselves it relaxes them....like a fat person eating comfort food

well that report did show smokers shoot themselves in the foot here....yes they are slightly more productive in the short-term BUT they are twice as likely to call sick, thus the days off drop their overall work production

all in all its not the smoking so much as it is just taking more breaks away from work to relieve the tedium of linear work.......and it could be that smokers, upon coming back from a smoke break work harder as they think what work they could have done in that time and try to catch up by working harder, so not the smoking but more the panic to meet a personal deadline despite the break

technically yeah but the amount of "poison" you're getting from the accidental inhale of second hand smoke in an open area would be so minuscule it wouldn't even make the slightest difference, even if it happened once every hour, and if you're so worried don't hang around people who smoke or if you walk into smoke hold your breath and don't inhale.

ok first off people have a right ton enjoy a smoke and secondly, you're acting as if it's everywhere and if you open the door you just get hit with a wall of smoke no you want fresh air move your lazy ass 10 ******* steps away.

because living in a city where alot of people smoke, one barely gets 10 feet between people smoking in public
the only real place away from cigarette smoke is in the middle of the freakin road with the cars

i live in blackpool england thanks for asking, a **** town where you get many, many smokers, and when i was younger and i saw someone smoke i would step to the side and the thin trail of smoke coming off their cigarette to avoid me, its not like a thick cloud comes off in all directions does it?

at what point did i say you have to go, i said " why not just move" i'm offering it as a solution because of your hatred of second hand smoke, people are going to smoke no matter whether you support it and if you despise it so passionately your only other option is to move out of this city you live in where instead of air you just breath in smoke, because people aren't going to stop because you dislike it

there are many different solutions perhaps the best being "stop being a little bitch" and i wasn't saying non smokers i was saying you 99 percent of none smokers i know do not give a ****, oh and smokers aren't doing a wrong for smoking you are because your treating them like they're walking around covered in child blood

their choice isn't wrong though is it just because it doesn't personally appeal to you doesn't make it wrong. and yeah i'm saying "FREEDUMS" because people have the right to smoke much like you have the right to not smoke if you had just said "i dont agree with smoking" it would of been fine however you started acting like a dick just because you don't like it.

no i just said if you just said i disagree with smoking that would be fine its the fact you started insulting smokers at every turn and acting like you are superior and i'm not even from ******* america so just stop with that murica ****

well bit hard for the asshole smokers who smoke on main streets, then you get patches of smoke filling whole areas of sidewalk...even worse on windy days when they **** blows down the street and ***** things up dozens of feet downwind

Are you ******* kidding me? Smoking isn't allowed in any public buildings, not even in pubs anymore here in Belgium, though I respect that people in restaurants don't want to eat in a smoke filled room, you are acting like a complete dick. Seriously. Some people want to smoke, others don't. It's already bad enough that smokers need to stand outside in the cold/rain in the winter. We don't need jackasses like you that complain about a little bit of smoke headed towards your face

Nobody is forcing you to walk those streets or live where you live, if you don't like it move. Not trying to be a dick here but just because you don't like something doesn't mean everyone should just stop.

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quote "Nobody is forcing you to walk those streets or live where you live, if you don't like it move"

its bad enough people have to breathe **** from everyone driving their cars everywhere even on sadly short trips they could easily walk, but assnapkins breathing second-hand **** at everyone else for no practical reason is worse

let me know when you get lung cancer from 2nd hand smoke then tell m how you feel about what the dumbasses did to you

theres no point arguing with you, youre heads so full of ******** youre not even reading what youre writing

you said noones forcing me to live where i live, if i dont like it, move
people use cars for practical reasons, smoking is not practical
are you a doctor yourself of just quoting **** from state paid doctors who wont tell the truth about 2nd hand smoking in case the tobacco corporations get mad

stop breathing, you stealing oxygen is more hazardous to this planet than cars and cigarettes combined

Again, nowhere did I say if you didn't like smokers you have to move, just that if you don't like them you should.
Are you a doctor then? Since you claim to have so much information about 2nd hand smoke? Generous estimates put 2nd hand smoke cancer chances at 1 in 103,666, estimates might I add that were thrown out in court do to cherry picking the information, so 1 in 103,666 is literally the most even corrupt studies have found.

Maybe you should stop being such a baby and quit trying to have everyone conform to your likes or dislikes.

ahem, you're the one who's entire argument has been raping logic by supporting people have the 'right' to do stupid **** to others by forcing things upon them
that combined with telling me "if i dont like smokers then move somewhere else"

the only reason 2nd hand smoke cancer was thrown out is because thers dozens of other things forced into human life that also cause cancers, so since every cancer victim cant pinpoint any one thing that gave them the cancer, all those things that contributed to the cancer get away free

plus the jucidial system is a sate entity, and the state belongs to the corporations, they wont allow th law enforcers to apply laws to them

can you say at least one thing, ever, that isnt ******* into your head from the media

So what you're saying is you can't say for certain where a person gets cancer from, so it would be impossible to tell that 2nd hand smoke caused cancer or not, but you're still deathly afraid of it? That's paranoia.
The courts denounced the information along with 90% of scientific experts on the subject, so yeah i'm sure it's one big conspiracy.
And people shouldn't have the right to do something you can't prove causes any significant harm? Go to China if you wan't a nanny state, get your ******** out of the civilized world.

well it comes back to the point, its bad enough people using tgheir cars to go everywhere, (with exhaust fumes everywhere, helping cancer) but cars are practical, while cigarettes arent, so theyre helping cancer without any purpose.

plus youre waving your ignorance around by preaching 'ermagerd conspiracy" the courts DO cover **** up when the truth is harmful to the government and its corporate masters....why do you think they go ******* when whistleblowers speak - they like to say whistleblowers are good, only to lure them out and shut them up to keep secrets SECRET

lus cigarettes do cause harm...enough people have lobbied together to force tobacco compaines to label their products "smoking may cause X medical problems" meaning its one of several things that do contribute towards cancer

if the 'civilised' world is filled with ignorant ********* puppets like you then id gladly take any 'uncivilized' location

yep, and some people think that rape and murder are enjoyable
doesnt make those choices that harm others right do they

cigarettes cause medical issues, but since not everyone smokes, they fabricated evidence to downplay the effect of 2nd hand smoke to convince people its not so bad so they dont worry as much, and end up still needing medical treatment later on

doctors offices and hospitals are state profit generators and with the state allowing so many harmful things to happen in day to day life it guarantees that people will regularly end up visiting them for check ups and relying on treatments to stay 'healthy' and keep money rolling in

dont you realize that sick people are costing the state more money than they are gaining through medical bills? i wont say thats the way it is in the US, but if you look at my country, Norway, you will se that the state is paying for medical treatment and partially pays for the sick leave. Illness costs the state billions a year, and still they allow it and does not claim 2nd hand smoking to be more dangerous than other countries claim.

last ones a kicker, see any celebrites you knew? they died from smoking-related diseases and its a proven fact 2nd hand smoke contributes to the same diseases,..but does the medical system make that real public....nope

We get a base dosage of radiation wherever we go in big cities. There are hazards everywhere. In Europe, at least in the Netherlands, smokers aren't allowed to smoke in restaurants, cars, inside buildings, etc. The street is the only place they can do it.

If you want a smoke free enviroment, move to latin american. Here all they do is get drunk and dance

well alot of the south americans are a bit better than westerners
less smoking, theyre more positive and friendly, and they dont just sit back and 'deal with it' when they find their government is ****