Re: Oliver Creed Eau De Cologne For Men, Vintage Rare

Can we all say "fake" together? Dude, that is a questionable purchase. If it were legitimate, which it is not, the bottle would not look like that. You can bid on it, but you might as well flush your money down the toilet, or send it to me. I would love to get my hands on another bottle of Himalaya!

Re: Oliver Creed Eau De Cologne For Men, Vintage Rare

Don't know about historical creeds but the guy has quite a few other ancient ones that look legit to me. Lanvin, Gres, Balenciaga, there's quite a treasure trove here. I'm a little concerned about the odd quantities in a lot of the bottles, though. Looks like evaporation and that almost always means turned product. Still,

Re: Oliver Creed Eau De Cologne For Men, Vintage Rare

Originally Posted by Maz24

Can we all say "fake" together? Dude, that is a questionable purchase. If it were legitimate, which it is not, Oliver's name would at least be spelled correctly. The bottle would not look like that either. You can bid on it, but you might as well flush your money down the toilet, or send it to me. I would love to get my hands on another bottle of Himalaya!

Re: Oliver Creed Eau De Cologne For Men, Vintage Rare

Re: Oliver Creed Eau De Cologne For Men, Vintage Rare

Originally Posted by Maz24

I still doubt that that is a real bottle.

I don't know why anyone would go through the trouble of making a fake obscure bottle. Creed has been around for a long time. They probably have had different bottle styles and limited editions that we haven't heard about.

Re: Oliver Creed Eau De Cologne For Men, Vintage Rare

I cant tell whether its real or not. The only way to know is to email Creed at their official US site. Oh btw, they told me that Creed Bois De Santal from their private collection is exclusive to Saks in nyc and Harrods haute perfumery (or something like that) in London.

I recall there being another Creed fragrance I saw on Ebay 1.5 years ago..."Bois De Rhodes" ... didnt know if it was fake.

Re: Oliver Creed Eau De Cologne For Men, Vintage Rare

who was the nose before Olivier? could this be a first cologne for young Olivier to get the hang of things?

From what I know, Zesta Mandarin Pample-pimp was olivier's first fragrance. I asked the seller about the origins of this frag and heres what he replied:

"HI, THIS SHOULD BE FROM WAY BEFORE THE 80'S OR EVEN 70'S, MY GRANDPARENTS HAD A PERFUME STORE FROM 1928 TO 1986, AND THIS IS ONE OF THE OLDEST COLOGNE'S I'VE FOUND IN THE WAREHOUSE, AND I HAVE JUST FOUND FOUR, THREE OF THEM WHERE EMPTY AND THIS IS THE ONLY ONE FULL. THANKS, FOR ASKING, THEIMPORTSGUY. "

Re: Oliver Creed Eau De Cologne For Men, Vintage Rare

The guy who runs the European Imports Store inherited all of the fragrances from his grandfather who had an imports store from 1928 -1986. The grandson is selling everything that was left in the warehouse. He doesn't know anything about perfume. He has stuff that goes back to the sixties. He's a cool guy and will refund your money if you don't like the product. I'd bet the bottle is real. Whether or not its been stored properly is another question.

Re: Oliver Creed Eau De Cologne For Men, Vintage Rare

I've purchased items from theimportguy before, no worries of the authenticity. How these fumes have been stored is another matter...Caveat emptor might be too strong of language, but use your head (eyes).

Re: Oliver Creed Eau De Cologne For Men, Vintage Rare

yes, there is a distinctly '60s vibe to this packaging. Anyone today wishing to make fake Creed probably would make their bottle and box a bit more true to the present's. Or is that using reverse psychology on reverse psychology?

While not being familiar with 1960s Creed product or potential spin-offs, there is something about this which seems like a real deal to me. At least very much from that time period. Maybe there was a lower-priced line that was extremely short-lived. Something about the packaging seems a bit down-market: "cologne for man?" It's like a foray into mass-production. If it is a fake, it definitely doesn't seem like a contemporary fake. Where are the fragrance historians out there? Maybe this is historical as the first of the Creed frauds!

On kind of a different note though, I'm surprised how much effort fakers put into the bottle and packaging of ersatz Creed anyways. Wouldn't their efforts be more profitable making fake Rolexes? Seems like a LOT of work striving for a reasonable facsimile without a high profit margin.

Re: Oliver Creed Eau De Cologne For Men, Vintage Rare

I'd like to see what's printed in black inside the oval. You can read Paris at the bottom.
This is also called Olivier Creed possibly an in house variation that escaped.
Olivier's first bespoke cologne?
I don't know. I do know if it came from Creed it must have more historical value than $35.00. Maybe I'll wait to the last minute.

Re: Oliver Creed Eau De Cologne For Men, Vintage Rare

Originally Posted by pluran

The guy who runs the European Imports Store inherited all of the fragrances from his grandfather who had an imports store from 1928 -1986. The grandson is selling everything that was left in the warehouse. He doesn't know anything about perfume. He has stuff that goes back to the sixties. He's a cool guy and will refund your money if you don't like the product. I'd bet the bottle is real. Whether or not its been stored properly is another question.

I second all of this. I've talked with him (I think his name is Jaime) a few times and he's quite open about where his items came from, how they've been stored, etc. As Pluran noted, condition is definitely a risk, but not authenticity. Given how reasonable some of the prices are; I'd say it might be worth the risk, especially considering he'll make good on them if they have turned. I ordered a few discontinued Lubins from him and will post here when they've arrived as to condition and such.

As for fakes, I think a dose of reality is good here because the Creedy-hysterics can run a little high. Being a smart consumer can help you find/distinguish fakes much more than just saying, "I've never heard of it, it's on ebay, so it must be fake!" and then posting incorrect information like happened on the first page.

The general rule to remember is that counterfeiters are there to make money (plain and simple) and so fake the goods that will sell the most easily. An unknown Creed fragrance like "Olivier Creed EdC" will never sell as quickly as a fake of GIT, so they don't bother. Hell, fake Sean John will sell more than Olivier Creed EdC. Likewise, a fake LV bag will sell a lot faster than a fake Valextra, even though Valextra is a much nicer, more exclusive and expensive bag. But, because nobody has heard of it, counterfeiters don't bother.

So, my advice is that we think these things through before jumping on the "it's fake!" banner. Let's do our homework or check into these things first.

Re: Oliver Creed Eau De Cologne For Men, Vintage Rare

Originally Posted by rach2jlc

As for fakes, I think a dose of reality is good here because the Creedy-hysterics can run a little high. Being a smart consumer can help you find fakes much more than just saying, "I've never heard of it, it's on ebay, so it must be fake!" and then posting incorrect information like happened on the first page.

The general rule to remember is that counterfeiters are there to make money (plain and simple) and so fake the goods that will sell the most easily. An unknown Creed fragrance like "Olivier Creed EdC" will never sell as quickly as a fake of GIT, so they don't bother. Hell, fake Sean John will sell more than Olivier Creed EdC. Likewise, a fake LV bag will sell a lot faster than a fake Valextra, even though Valextra is a much nicer, more exclusive and expensive bag. But, because nobody has heard of it, counterfeiters don't bother.

So, my advice is that we think these things through before jumping on the "it's fake!" banner. Let's do our homework or checking into these things first.

this is an unidentified fragrant object for now.

I was hoping to find out more about the bottles provenance. It may not be an ebayers fake. It may have been faked 50 years ago in Europe and wound up with "the import guy".
From what I've read Olivier is the number one nose in Paris (the world?) because he can rattle off the notes of a perfume which has been disguised and sprayed before him. The idea that he had to rattle off all the notes before all the droplets hit the floor I am a bit leery of.
And he had to start somewhere.
I wonder who the buyer is. Basenoter?
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I just emailed him to ask whether he had ever seen this product before and whether he could tell me when it was made. If he's engaging we might learn something. There's also the chance that he'll tell me to stuff it in my hat. Oh yea I told him where basenotes is and that a few people are curious.. Maybe he'll be amenable to decanting a bit.

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Re: Oliver Creed Eau De Cologne For Men, Vintage Rare

I'm still curious about how it got to Tijuana so...

I emailed the buyer

"Hi
I'd like to ask if you had ever seen an Olivier Creed bottle before. we've been discussing this bottle on basenotes.com where fragrances are discussed. We're all stumped having never seen one before.
It seems rather unique and I was wondering if you had an idea of when it was made.
Thanks
Gary"

and got back an answer...

from the UK

"nope! I've not got a clue unfortunetly,I have not managed to find out anything about this frag.Regards Ian""