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Woah, no one thinks Accelerator is awesome more than me. He was wondering if that the old chart which had him growing stronger after he got the choker was correct and I was telling him that no it wasn't. It's been stated in canon that he got weaker after the bullet to the brain.

My issue with the power charts is that although they do the best they can, power in this series isn't a strict linear progression. For example Touma isn't all that strong (without that invisible thing anyways) but because he's so skilled at using IB he can beat a lot of people higher up on the list then him. In short I'm saying although it shows how strong people are it doesn't show how powerful they are.... Am I making sense?

Although it's entirely possible that the new one does take all those factors into consideration, but I can't read Japanese so until someone makes a picture or translated version I'm not going to be able to read it. So if I'm sticking my foot into my mouth here let me know

and on the other hand, there's people who Touma can't do shit against, for example, Tsuchimikado, unless he lets the Invisible Thing loose.

And I'm getting what you mean; the table only considers two axis; the horizontal with the amount of people, and the vertical with the destructive power, but this chart doesn't consider the Rock paper Scissors relation

anyway, for some reason, I find many side characters more badass than the three protagonists:

- Heaven Canceller (in his own special way)
- Styl
- Aqua
- Knight Leader
- TSUCHIMIKADO, probably the greatest Motta fucka character ever, and not in a negative way

- Kihara Amata, not for being one of the worst humans, even as a character, but because of his detachment and violence (kinda how Vento realized why he would not fall victim of Divine Judgement, i think it was called?). Also, how his discussions with accelerator are so full of "bad" words was hilarious, despite the context

The three protagonists are awesome in their own way, but I guess that they are still too full of doubts, and are too immature

You guys ... you're completely off the bat about what a tier list in an actual series (and video game series) is about. It isn't 100% always about who is "stronger" but more like "who is capable of beating the most opponents", hence why guys like Fiamma who can stomp anyone else safe Touma (who is weak as hell) is so High ... and Touma is so low because of the opposite reason.

Also, about the comment above, while I can fully understand about Acqua and turn my eyes blind on Heaven Canceller and Kihaaaaara-kun. There are 3 things I really can't stand :
1. not including top class badasses like Papa Misaka, Matthai Reese and Kihara Kagun
2. Saying that Tsuchimikado is more badass than Accel the villain that's no better than a piece of s*** or the TouMan
3. saying that someone like Stiyl is more badass than any of the 3 mains ... the worst sin

Woah, no one thinks Accelerator is awesome more than me. He was wondering if that the old chart which had him growing stronger after he got the choker was correct and I was telling him that no it wasn't. It's been stated in canon that he got weaker after the bullet to the brain.

My issue with the power charts is that although they do the best they can, power in this series isn't a strict linear progression. For example Touma isn't all that strong (without that invisible thing anyways) but because he's so skilled at using IB he can beat a lot of people higher up on the list then him. In short I'm saying although it shows how strong people are it doesn't show how powerful they are.... Am I making sense?

Although it's entirely possible that the new one does take all those factors into consideration, but I can't read Japanese so until someone makes a picture or translated version I'm not going to be able to read it. So if I'm sticking my foot into my mouth here let me know

There is no Accel before or after getting shot in the new one. Just pre and post Angel. In a way, Angel mode has become the new benchmark for him

To those who hated my comment of the the side characters I chose as more badass than the three protagonists, I apologize... maybe badass wasn't the best word, but you all have to agree with me that those said characters are perfectly clear on what they have to do, while:

one of them has his doubts regarding his memorly loss (he heard index telling him she likes him, but he still won't do a damn thing, meaning he is full of doubts, or is just a moron)

the second had to suffer a number of epyphanies along with too many asskickings to finally accept that he wanted to be a "papa"

the third has, or had a major inferiority complex

BY THE WAY, is the invisble thing officially dead now that it wasn't included in the list?