You can see that US is on whole different planet. Of course these are murder rates but I recall other crimes follow pretty much the same statistics.

Our murder rate is high due to black on black violence, with in turn is usually tied to the gang and drug trade. Our country publishes the FBI UCR where you can look at crime trends - Among Whites, it's in the low 2's. Among Latins, it's just a tad higher. Among Blacks it's always in the low to mid 6's. Sad but true.

I once saw around 10 black 18-20 year olds standing at the bottom of our road, I walked over and said "What are you doing" they said "practicing for the olympics". I went back to my house and reassured my wife that she had nothing to fear from these athletes.

That's right Cyp, and the occasional gunshots you hear at night are those jocks starting their practice races. Nothing to worry about.

blacks and gang culture are result from american history, its part of the society.

I'm just pointing it out because foreigners try to make it out like the US is some spectacularly violent country when a huge percentage of all the violent crime is limited to a small segment of society, which on average will never cross into "regular" society. Does it suck for the normal people that are stuck in those areas? Sure, but that is a societal problem confined to those areas, until they embrace the fact that they are fucking it up for themselves and others, nothing will happen.

All the increased policing, gun control, community centers, etc.... will do little to correct that.

"The comparison of violent crime statistics between countries is usually problematic, due to the way different countries classify crime.[2] Valid comparisons require that similar offences between jurisdictions be compared. Often this is not possible because crime statistics aggregate equivalent offences in such different ways that make it difficult or impossible to obtain a valid comparison."

"The presentation of large amounts of reported crime data in the same format, as is the case with the various country results reported on this web site, raises questions about the possibility of comparing reported crime levels in different countries. In fact, experts generally regard cross-country comparisons of crime statistics as being characterized by methodological difficulties for the following three reasons:

Different definitions for specific crime types in different countries: The category in which any incident of victimization is recorded relies on the legal definition of crime in any country. Should that definition be different, and indeed this is often the case, comparisons will not in fact be made of exactly the same crime type. This is particularly the case in crimes that require some discretion from a police officer or relevant authority when they are identified. For example, the definitional difference between serious or common assault in different legal jurisdictions may be different, and this will be reflected in the total number of incidents recorded.

Different levels of reporting and traditions of policing: Different societies across the globe have been shown to have different levels of reporting of criminal incidents. This relates closely to levels of development in any society, most clearly reflected in accessibility to the police. Thus factors such as the number of police stations or telephones in any society impact upon reporting levels. The level of insurance coverage in any community is also a key indicator of the likelihood of citizens approaching the police as their claim for compensation may require such notification. In addition, in societies where the police are or have been mistrusted by the population, most specifically during periods of authoritarian rule, reporting levels are likely to be lower than in cases where the police are regarded as important members of the community.

Different social, economic and political contexts: Comparing crime data from societies that are fundamentally different may ignore key issues present in the society that impact upon levels of reporting. For example, different social norms in some societies may make it almost impossible for women to report cases of rape or sexual abuse, while in others, women are encouraged to come forward.

These factors, while alerting the reader to the potential pitfalls of comparisons, apply more to some crimes than others. In selected cases, most notably homicide, country to country comparisons are safer, although may still be subject to the drawbacks outlined above. In the case of some categories of violent crime - such as rape or assault - country to country comparisons may simply be unreliable and misleading.

Lol some fucking stupid folk in this thread, as I'm sure I said about a month ago, those brit stats are based on reported crimes, and the way their grouped.

You guys are the definition of fucking stupid, your actually putting effort into these posts while, being so fucking oblivious to the obvious. If you seriously think violent crime is anywhere, possible, ever, approaching the issues in SA, you must be living in the 13 th century or some shit because your beyond retarded.