intelligent comment below:oooohh look a tough guy sitting behind the safety of the internet insulting an entire group of people and justifying the death of over 6 million of their family members. SO BRAVE

At some point, your accusations become simply comical. Now I have justified the death of over 6 million people? I'm a busy man.

Brave? What, like blackmailing a bribing a sugar daddy to do your dirty work for you? That kind of brave?

And when the arch-Zionists are exposed and the host turns on them, they will run and hide in the midst of ordinary Jews and scream anti-semite as everybody gets stomped. Yet again.

Hobodeluxe:no I think you just slid all the way to the bottom of the hill with that derp.

Are you playing obtuse on purpose? You said Israel isn't an innocent bystandard because of their past actions. So anything that happens is justified. But that only applies to Israel, a country who is the most innocent out of any major player in world affairs. A saint compared to the past history of America, England, Germany, Russia, etc.

Amos Quito: The first 50 years of the 20th Century is an interesting study once you get beyond the sanitized soundbites of "Nazis bad, Allies good, Jews innocent victims".

There was a LOT of political skulduggery that went on behind the scenes that most people are unaware of,

There are many lessons to be learned from the era - but these lessons will be valueless until we stop focusing only on a sanitized view of WHAT happened, and start trying to understand WHY it happened.

TABOO.

Now you are just teasing us. What happened? How can we find out more? Is there a book or website you can recommend with more information?

Gyrfalcon:Captain_Ballbeard: Of course, Iranian hatred of Israel is completely unfounded, it's not like Mossad helped build SAVAK and brutalize the Iranian people in the name of the Shah or anything. Nah.

You know those kind of remarks around here means you hate Israel, worship Hitler and don't believe in the Holocaust, right?

/also why isn't my quote key working?

you think the israeli people brutalized the iranian peole and deserve whatever they could possibly recieve from Iran? why am I not surprised at all you are lining up right behind the antisemite.

Amos Quito:There was a LOT of political skulduggery that went on behind the scenes that most people are unaware of, and the mere mention of these things is certain to bring out troops of poo-flinging monkeys.

And that skullduggery was all the fault of the jews, right? Or are you PC'ing up your act to contain it to a small groups of jews, ZionistsElders of Zionism perhaps?

30 days could be all they need. You think Israel will occupy and remain in place? They largely won't even invade with troops. They'll send Iran to the stone age if they can and back out of anything after. It won't be their problem. That's truly the point the US may need to step in and throw money down that hole. Israel's war with Iran will cost us one way or another.

relcec:Gyrfalcon: Captain_Ballbeard: Of course, Iranian hatred of Israel is completely unfounded, it's not like Mossad helped build SAVAK and brutalize the Iranian people in the name of the Shah or anything. Nah.

You know those kind of remarks around here means you hate Israel, worship Hitler and don't believe in the Holocaust, right?

/also why isn't my quote key working?

you think the israeli people brutalized the iranian peole and deserve whatever they could possibly recieve from Iran? why am I not surprised at all you are lining up right behind the antisemite.

Yes, that's exactly what I said and what I mean.

Because any acknowledgement that Iranians might have a reason to hate Israel is EXACTLY THE SAME as saying the Israelis have been beating up on the poor Iranians, and they deserve being blown off the face of the earth.

Are you playing obtuse on purpose? You said Israel isn't an innocent bystandard because of their past actions. So anything that happens is justified. But that only applies to Israel, a country who is the most innocent out of any major player in world affairs. A saint compared to the past history of America, England, Germany, Russia, etc.

that's some industrial grade derp there. Israel regularly has conflicts with it's neighbors and uses disproportionate responses. It uses terrorists through proxy. (remember the Jundullah making sorties into Iran to blow shiat up?) They assassinate people.

Here's the way I see it. If Israel attacks them unilaterally they could ignite the middle east into a global conflict. Everything we've done in Iraq and Afghanistan could be erased overnight and our people there put in jeopardy. It would cost us tens of billions.If I were Obama I'd tell them that I would consider it an act of war against us.

Hobodeluxe:that's some industrial grade derp there. Israel regularly has conflicts with it's neighbors and uses disproportionate responses. It uses terrorists through proxy. (remember the Jundullah making sorties into Iran to blow shiat up?) They assassinate people.

Yeah 4 wars caused by its neighbors, why would Israel react with force when they have such friendly people around them?

Every country assassinates people, are you new here?

Hobodeluxe:Here's the way I see it. If Israel attacks them unilaterally they could ignite the middle east into a global conflict. Everything we've done in Iraq and Afghanistan could be erased overnight and our people there put in jeopardy. It would cost us tens of billions.If I were Obama I'd tell them that I would consider it an act of war against us.

You say that like what you did in Iraq and Afghanistan was beneficial to anyone but the corporations vying for rights to the resources and rebuilding contracts. There are double the recruits willing to sign up for Jihad, and they are now rushing into Syria to fight. You think that's going to be a good thing in 5+ years? They will start turning their guns elsewhere, and guess who that usually turns into? Israel

WeenerGord:intelligent comment below: Israel, a country who is the most innocent out of any major player in world affairs. A saint compared to the past history of America, England, Germany, Russia, etc.

Oh, fark you. You think you're better than us? You think you're better than everyone else in the world?

WeenerGord:Oh, fark you. You think you're better than us? You think you're better than everyone else in the world?

I was talking about such actions like colonialism, slavery, oppression on scales only those nations I mentioned could do. Sorry you can't accept the truth. This has nothing to do with being "better" but the fact that when viewed side by side, Israel is a damn angel compared to the atrocities done by Britain, America, Germany, Russia, etc.

intelligent comment belowoooohh look a tough guy sitting behind the safety of the internet insulting an entire group of people and justifying the death of over 6 million of their family members. SO BRAVE

All criticism of Israel = antisemitism.In the event that non-antisemitic criticism of Israel is encountered, the one actual antisemite will be highlighted and projected on the non-antisemitic criticism of Israel.

There is no upcoming war with Iran. It's all just a political ploy to rally around the government that keeps having to deal with massive protests about living conditions, drafting religious youth, etc.

At this point they (the Israeli military-political leadership) will just look like fools if they don't do it. Iran's not backing down, for the same reason. Based on the behavior of similar regimes through history, there has to be a war. I don't see the government resigning or collapsing when they still have the capability to be completely crazy.

I was talking about such actions like colonialism, slavery, oppression on scales only those nations I mentioned could do. Sorry you can't accept the truth. This has nothing to do with being "better" but the fact that when viewed side by side, Israel is a damn angel compared to the atrocities done by Britain, America, Germany, Russia, etc.

BojanglesPaladin:WeenerGord: intelligent comment below: Israel, a country who is the most innocent out of any major player in world affairs. A saint compared to the past history of America, England, Germany, Russia, etc.

Oh, fark you. You think you're better than us? You think you're better than everyone else in the world?

He's trolling you. His user name is ALWAYS wrong.

LOL, but I thought the Jews did think they were better than everyone else? Could he be Bevets by any chance?

intelligent comment below:Hobodeluxe: everyone depends on the oil. they will not take lightly anyone interfering with the flow. and an unprovoked,unilateral aggression by Israel should not be tolerated.

Not sure if serious?

Military action has been demanded by Saudi Arabia who will then have full control over OPEC.

WeenerGord:intelligent comment below: Israel, a country who is the most innocent out of any major player in world affairs. A saint compared to the past history of America, England, Germany, Russia, etc.

Oh, fark you. You think you're better than us? You think you're better than everyone else in the world?

It's like he thinks he has a God-given right to superiority or something.

BojanglesPaladin:WeenerGord: intelligent comment below: Israel, a country who is the most innocent out of any major player in world affairs. A saint compared to the past history of America, England, Germany, Russia, etc.

Oh, fark you. You think you're better than us? You think you're better than everyone else in the world?

He's trolling you. His user name is ALWAYS wrong.

How is it trolling to point to the past of those countries and comparing them to any bad things Israel has done?

America's war in Vietnam alone, the chemical and napalm dropped on civilians, what has Israel done that can be classified worse than that? How about the treatment of Indians by the British colonial powers? Or Russia with its own people? Like I said, Israel is a saint compared to what these nations have done. And yet they are the first to judge Israel. Hypocrites.

intelligent comment below:BojanglesPaladin: WeenerGord: intelligent comment below: Israel, a country who is the most innocent out of any major player in world affairs. A saint compared to the past history of America, England, Germany, Russia, etc.

Oh, fark you. You think you're better than us? You think you're better than everyone else in the world?

He's trolling you. His user name is ALWAYS wrong.

How is it trolling to point to the past of those countries and comparing them to any bad things Israel has done?

America's war in Vietnam alone, the chemical and napalm dropped on civilians, what has Israel done that can be classified worse than that? How about the treatment of Indians by the British colonial powers? Or Russia with its own people? Like I said, Israel is a saint compared to what these nations have done. And yet they are the first to judge Israel. Hypocrites.

Israel has it's lapdog (the US military industrial complex) do it's dirty work for the most part.

Right, the first country to claim they would also get nuclear weapons if Iran did was... Saudi Arabia. So I'm not sure if you're being obtuse on purpose about the role of Saudi Arabia on Middle Eastern affairs. If you think Israel has more sway in America than Saudi Arabia like all these anti-Semitic clowns then there's no point in continuing this discussion.

These are the same idiots who say Israel wanted America to invade Iraq in '91 rather than Saudi Arabia begging for help.

intelligent comment below:I was talking about such actions like colonialism, slavery, oppression on scales only those nations I mentioned could do. Sorry you can't accept the truth.

I read that Jewish traders were big in the slave trade, that they owned many slave ships and financed others, and promoted the slave trade, because it was profitable, and that they also owned slaves. Is diaspora another world for colonialism? Sorry you cant accept the truth

Captain_Ballbeard:It's like he thinks he has a God-given right to superiority or something.

All I did was compare the actions of each country, I never said anything about being "better" or "superior" but your hatred is showing. Try not to get all emo, you kids can't think straight when you become flustered teenage girls.

Are you playing obtuse on purpose? You said Israel isn't an innocent bystandard because of their past actions. So anything that happens is justified. But that only applies to Israel, a country who is the most innocent out of any major player in world affairs. A saint compared to the past history of America, England, Germany, Russia, etc.

So because America has a history of genocide that means Israel should be allowed to practice it? Because Russia practiced ruthless suppression of others they get to do the same? We playing some kind of catch-up game where nobody faces sanctions or criticism until their level of evil matches the evil of others?

I can't believe you of all people are trotting out the "I may be bad but you're worse!" argument. Doesn't Santayana's quote about remembering the past instead of repeating it carry any weight at all, in favor of trying to justify doing it because everyone else did it to?

WeenerGord:BojanglesPaladin: WeenerGord: intelligent comment below: Israel, a country who is the most innocent out of any major player in world affairs. A saint compared to the past history of America, England, Germany, Russia, etc.

Oh, fark you. You think you're better than us? You think you're better than everyone else in the world?

He's trolling you. His user name is ALWAYS wrong.

LOL, but I thought the Jews did think they were better than everyone else? Could he be Bevets by any chance?

Not even close. And I think you may be thinking of.. Tatsua? I think? who was the required poster on any thread involving Isreal. Bevets was summoned by a religion thread as I recall.

Anywho he's nowhere near that league. Saying something provocative but pointless to incite and then repeating it louder and insulting people for disputing it is baby troll kind of stuff. She is precisely what the ignore function is for.

Right, the first country to claim they would also get nuclear weapons if Iran did was... Saudi Arabia. So I'm not sure if you're being obtuse on purpose about the role of Saudi Arabia on Middle Eastern affairs. If you think Israel has more sway in America than Saudi Arabia like all these anti-Semitic clowns then there's no point in continuing this discussion.

These are the same idiots who say Israel wanted America to invade Iraq in '91 rather than Saudi Arabia begging for help.

intelligent comment belowAmerica's war in Vietnam alone, the chemical and napalm dropped on civilians, what has Israel done that can be classified worse than that? How about the treatment of Indians by the British colonial powers? Or Russia with its own people? Like I said, Israel is a saint compared to what these nations have done. And yet they are the first to judge Israel. Hypocrites.

The people who are against what Israel does to the Palestinians are the same ones who were against those things. The ones who think Israel can do no wrong are the same ones who thought those things were necessary to win the war, to save"civilization," to promote God and Country, etc.

RanDomino:Weren't you just saying, like literally five minutes ago, that it's wrong to blame people for the crimes of their ancestors?

Ancestors? An American saying Israel is evil for using assassination is probably the most hypocritical thing I've ever heard. But then again you're a dumbass anarchist so I'm done with your trolling

Hobodeluxe:Israel has it's lapdog (the US military industrial complex) do it's dirty work for the most part.

Yeah like all those 4 major wars Israel made America fight... oh wait.

You can't name one conflict Israel "forced" to have America fight for them because it didn't exist. The Gulf war was to protect Saudi Arabia. The latest Iraq war, and Afghanistan, had nothing to do with Israel either. Keep digging.

RanDomino:The people who are against what Israel does to the Palestinians are the same ones who were against those things. The ones who think Israel can do no wrong are the same ones who thought those things were necessary to win the war, to save"civilization," to promote God and Country, etc.

RanDomino:intelligent comment belowAmerica's war in Vietnam alone, the chemical and napalm dropped on civilians, what has Israel done that can be classified worse than that? How about the treatment of Indians by the British colonial powers? Or Russia with its own people? Like I said, Israel is a saint compared to what these nations have done. And yet they are the first to judge Israel. Hypocrites.

The people who are against what Israel does to the Palestinians are the same ones who were against those things. The ones who think Israel can do no wrong are the same ones who thought those things were necessary to win the war, to save"civilization," to promote God and Country, etc.

Not entirely. There are plenty of People who would loudly denounce this if it was happening in South America or Africa, but turn a blind eye when it happens in Isreal. They convince themselves that it's not that bad, or it's somehow different.

Look at apartheid. Day in and day out over and over we had news coverage about what was happening in some country most people had never hear of. We ALL denounced that, but somehow, the same thing doesn't even warrant coverage when it happens in Isreal. Because it's.... Different.

intelligent comment below:Captain_Ballbeard: Yes, I am sure that right now Saudi and American lobbyists are trucking money into the Knesset in an effort to get Israel to act against her own interests.

A non nuclear Iran is certainly in Israel's existence, but Saudi Arabia holds all the purse strings.

WeenerGord: I read that Jewish traders were big in the slave trade, that they owned many slave ships and financed others, and promoted the slave trade, because it was profitable, and that they also owned slaves. Is diaspora another world for colonialism? Sorry you cant accept the truth