I use it, the term "holy books" out of a semblance of respect for other peoples beliefs - my beliefs or complete lack thereof - doesn't automatically qualify me for disrespecting the beliefs and convictions of others - no matter how absolutely silly they are in my opinion.

If you're really looking for verified historical records of events that happened over 1400 years ago - you'll be extremely hard-pressed to find any at all. You can debate religious subjects till the cows come home - it all proves futile ultimately.

Every word written is hearsay. Notwithstanding the fact that majority of the stories contained in these books can be traced back to other faiths/religions/beliefs/stories/civilizations that are either long dead or much older than the 3 Abrahamic faiths.

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I use it, the term "holy books" out of a semblance of respect for other peoples beliefs - my beliefs or complete lack thereof - doesn't automatically qualify me for disrespecting the beliefs and convictions of others - no matter how absolutely silly they are in my opinion.

If you're really looking for verified historical records of events that happened over 1400 years ago - you'll be extremely hard-pressed to find any at all. You can debate religious subjects till the cows come home - it all proves futile ultimately.

Every word written is hearsay. Notwithstanding the fact that majority of the stories contained in these books can be traced back to other faiths/religions/beliefs/stories/civilizations that are either long dead or much older than the 3 Abrahamic faiths.

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Promotion of hate speech on a SOUTH AFRICAN website not on... further more there is a law around this... as MODS you are failing, thereby endorsing. So should this be sent to some place claiming promotion of hate speech by MyBB, you guys are kinda screwed. period. The law. Like paying taxes. You hate it but accountable to it.

Muhammad is reported to have had mysterious seizures at the moments of inspiration. According to Philip Schaff (1819–1893), during his revelations Muhammad "sometimes growled like a camel, foamed at his mouth, and streamed with perspiration."[148] Welch, a scholar of Islamic studies, in the Encyclopedia of Islam states that the graphic descriptions of Muhammad's condition at these moments may be regarded as genuine, since they are unlikely to have been invented by later Muslims. According to Welch, these seizures should have been the most convincing evidence for the superhuman origin of Muhammad's inspirations for people around him. Others adopted alternative explanations for these seizures and claimed that he was possessed, a soothsayer, or a magician. Welch states it remains uncertain whether Muhammad had such experiences before he began to see himself as a prophet and if so how long did he have such experiences.[149]

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I don't know where you got donkey from cos the word is Buraaq which translates into electricity or lightning. 1400 years ago it couldn't be comprehended but in this day and age, it is more believable because we have electricity, electronics and a better understanding of what could be possible with all the advances in technology and the rate at which it is progressing.

So I'm gonna ask you for a favour, please do not do your own research rather speak to a human being, OR, give it a rest.