MP slams new ‘inappropriate’ housing plans

The Argus can exclusively reveal that the development will include 40% affordable housing as well as a playing field. It is set for land on the north-east outskirts of Ovingdean.

If voted through, developers expect the first occupants to move into the homes by the end of 2016.

However, Simon Kirby, MP for Brighton Kemptown, has spoken out against the plans, calling the area “completely inappropriate” for the development.

He said: “The application will ruin the village feel of Rottingdean, Woodingdean and Ovingdean as well as placing a huge strain on local services and infrastructure such as the local roads, which are already under great pressure.

“The strength of feeling against development at this site was clearly evident at the public meeting I spoke at on this subject, which was attended by hundreds of residents.”

The plans were first put forward by Bristol-based Lightwood Strategic after Brighton and Hove City Council’s future housing plan was thrown out by the government.

Earlier this year, a proposal for 112 new homes on the land was presented to locals. However, after feedback, the developers revised the plans and have presented a new proposal with a reduced 100 homes.

James Sorrentino, director of Lightwood, said: “We genuinely want to create a fantastic scheme that will create a legacy of somewhere really nice to live.

“We have altered the plans and reduced the number of houses to 100 so there is more space for planting and landscaping. There is now a lot more space and we think it is very much in keeping with the surroundings.”

The new plans, which have been exclusively revealed to The Argus, include 100 homes in fields bordered by Falmer Road, The Vale and Ovingdean Road.

The properties, which vary in shape and size, include 40% affordable housing. All the properties have parking spaces and there is also a central playing field surrounded by trees.

The only access road is from Ovingdean Road, which splits off into five streets once on the estate.

There will also be paths linking the estate to Falmer Road and Ovingdean Road.

Mr Sorrentino added that if the plans went through the council by the end of the year, they could start work on the site by mid 2015. He said it would then be a further 18 months before the first occupants could move in.

However, Mr Kirby has urged the council to look at brownfield sites for their housing needs.

He added: “I would encourage all constituents who share my concerns to contact the council setting out their reasons for objection. Together we will fight this application all the way.”

Georgia Wrighton, Sussex director of Campaign to Protect Rural England, said they would be filing an official objection to the plans.

She said: “While the land may not actually be in the National Park it starts just over the road. The only reason the land was not made part of the National Park was because it was considered part of the school’s playing field.

“We think the development would ruin the surroundings, which back on to the National Park and we will be registering our objections. The area is also rich in chalk grassland and is home to red thistle.”

Comments

"James Sorrentino, director of Lightwood, said: “We genuinely want to create a fantastic scheme that will create a legacy of somewhere really nice to live. "

No, James.

You genuinely want to ruin somewhere which is 200 miles from where you live AND make a shedload of money in the process.

"James Sorrentino, director of Lightwood, said: “We genuinely want to create a fantastic scheme that will create a legacy of somewhere really nice to live. "
No, James.
You genuinely want to ruin somewhere which is 200 miles from where you live AND make a shedload of money in the process.stevo!!

"James Sorrentino, director of Lightwood, said: “We genuinely want to create a fantastic scheme that will create a legacy of somewhere really nice to live. "

No, James.

You genuinely want to ruin somewhere which is 200 miles from where you live AND make a shedload of money in the process.

Score: 2

Tall Boys
11:25am Wed 13 Aug 14

Well, we need to build houses and there is little wrong with that location.

Well, we need to build houses and there is little wrong with that location.Tall Boys

Well, we need to build houses and there is little wrong with that location.

Score: -33

Laserluke
11:37am Wed 13 Aug 14

Kirby desperate for votes. We need houses and we are at the stage locally where just building on brownfield sites is still not enough. I assume the population is growing in Rottingdean, Woodingdean and Ovingdean so where should these people live?

Kirby desperate for votes. We need houses and we are at the stage locally where just building on brownfield sites is still not enough. I assume the population is growing in Rottingdean, Woodingdean and Ovingdean so where should these people live?Laserluke

Kirby desperate for votes. We need houses and we are at the stage locally where just building on brownfield sites is still not enough. I assume the population is growing in Rottingdean, Woodingdean and Ovingdean so where should these people live?

Score: -38

stevo!!
11:38am Wed 13 Aug 14

Laserluke wrote…

Kirby desperate for votes. We need houses and we are at the stage locally where just building on brownfield sites is still not enough. I assume the population is growing in Rottingdean, Woodingdean and Ovingdean so where should these people live?

Where are they currently living?

[quote][p][bold]Laserluke[/bold] wrote:
Kirby desperate for votes. We need houses and we are at the stage locally where just building on brownfield sites is still not enough. I assume the population is growing in Rottingdean, Woodingdean and Ovingdean so where should these people live?[/p][/quote]Where are they currently living?stevo!!

Laserluke wrote…

Kirby desperate for votes. We need houses and we are at the stage locally where just building on brownfield sites is still not enough. I assume the population is growing in Rottingdean, Woodingdean and Ovingdean so where should these people live?

Where are they currently living?

Score: 0

makoshark
12:03pm Wed 13 Aug 14

stevo!! wrote…

Laserluke wrote…

Kirby desperate for votes. We need houses and we are at the stage locally where just building on brownfield sites is still not enough. I assume the population is growing in Rottingdean, Woodingdean and Ovingdean so where should these people live?

Where are they currently living?

With their parents, in rented properties waiting to take the step up to ownership, wanting to downsize, wanting to upsize!!! Where should they live... Brighton & Hove / East Sussex is a fast growing region and has identified needs for new home development ???

Where do you suggest ???

[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Laserluke[/bold] wrote:
Kirby desperate for votes. We need houses and we are at the stage locally where just building on brownfield sites is still not enough. I assume the population is growing in Rottingdean, Woodingdean and Ovingdean so where should these people live?[/p][/quote]Where are they currently living?[/p][/quote]With their parents, in rented properties waiting to take the step up to ownership, wanting to downsize, wanting to upsize!!! Where should they live... Brighton & Hove / East Sussex is a fast growing region and has identified needs for new home development ???
Where do you suggest ???makoshark

stevo!! wrote…

Laserluke wrote…

Kirby desperate for votes. We need houses and we are at the stage locally where just building on brownfield sites is still not enough. I assume the population is growing in Rottingdean, Woodingdean and Ovingdean so where should these people live?

Where are they currently living?

With their parents, in rented properties waiting to take the step up to ownership, wanting to downsize, wanting to upsize!!! Where should they live... Brighton & Hove / East Sussex is a fast growing region and has identified needs for new home development ???

Where do you suggest ???

Score: 67

RottingdeanRant
12:10pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Tall Boys wrote…

Well, we need to build houses and there is little wrong with that location.

You are correct except that the roads leading to that locations are already jammed in the morning and afternoon, the sewage system is already overloaded and often overflows into the sea and that the local drains struggle to cope now.

[quote][p][bold]Tall Boys[/bold] wrote:
Well, we need to build houses and there is little wrong with that location.[/p][/quote]You are correct except that the roads leading to that locations are already jammed in the morning and afternoon, the sewage system is already overloaded and often overflows into the sea and that the local drains struggle to cope now.RottingdeanRant

Tall Boys wrote…

Well, we need to build houses and there is little wrong with that location.

You are correct except that the roads leading to that locations are already jammed in the morning and afternoon, the sewage system is already overloaded and often overflows into the sea and that the local drains struggle to cope now.

Score: 45

stevo!!
12:16pm Wed 13 Aug 14

makoshark wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

Laserluke wrote…

Kirby desperate for votes. We need houses and we are at the stage locally where just building on brownfield sites is still not enough. I assume the population is growing in Rottingdean, Woodingdean and Ovingdean so where should these people live?

Where are they currently living?

With their parents, in rented properties waiting to take the step up to ownership, wanting to downsize, wanting to upsize!!! Where should they live... Brighton & Hove / East Sussex is a fast growing region and has identified needs for new home development ???

Where do you suggest ???

But is the increase in the population of those three areas due to the residents or to the influx of outsiders?

THAT was behind my question.

[quote][p][bold]makoshark[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Laserluke[/bold] wrote:
Kirby desperate for votes. We need houses and we are at the stage locally where just building on brownfield sites is still not enough. I assume the population is growing in Rottingdean, Woodingdean and Ovingdean so where should these people live?[/p][/quote]Where are they currently living?[/p][/quote]With their parents, in rented properties waiting to take the step up to ownership, wanting to downsize, wanting to upsize!!! Where should they live... Brighton & Hove / East Sussex is a fast growing region and has identified needs for new home development ???
Where do you suggest ???[/p][/quote]But is the increase in the population of those three areas due to the residents or to the influx of outsiders?
THAT was behind my question.stevo!!

makoshark wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

Laserluke wrote…

Kirby desperate for votes. We need houses and we are at the stage locally where just building on brownfield sites is still not enough. I assume the population is growing in Rottingdean, Woodingdean and Ovingdean so where should these people live?

Where are they currently living?

With their parents, in rented properties waiting to take the step up to ownership, wanting to downsize, wanting to upsize!!! Where should they live... Brighton & Hove / East Sussex is a fast growing region and has identified needs for new home development ???

Where do you suggest ???

But is the increase in the population of those three areas due to the residents or to the influx of outsiders?

THAT was behind my question.

Score: -2

Nikski
12:21pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Simon 'Nimby' Kirby again! He is opposed to any development in 'his area' even a windfarm 12 miles out at sea because it will spoil his views....presumably though he'd be happy to have fracking in his constituency if there was shale gas there, as his beloved Tories are rather enthusiastically promoting it, even trying to bribe communities to accept it. Pathetic Kirby!

Simon 'Nimby' Kirby again! He is opposed to any development in 'his area' even a windfarm 12 miles out at sea because it will spoil his views....presumably though he'd be happy to have fracking in his constituency if there was shale gas there, as his beloved Tories are rather enthusiastically promoting it, even trying to bribe communities to accept it. Pathetic Kirby!Nikski

Simon 'Nimby' Kirby again! He is opposed to any development in 'his area' even a windfarm 12 miles out at sea because it will spoil his views....presumably though he'd be happy to have fracking in his constituency if there was shale gas there, as his beloved Tories are rather enthusiastically promoting it, even trying to bribe communities to accept it. Pathetic Kirby!

Score: -25

stevo!!
12:28pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Nikski wrote…

Simon 'Nimby' Kirby again! He is opposed to any development in 'his area' even a windfarm 12 miles out at sea because it will spoil his views....presumably though he'd be happy to have fracking in his constituency if there was shale gas there, as his beloved Tories are rather enthusiastically promoting it, even trying to bribe communities to accept it. Pathetic Kirby!

So people aren't allowed to protect their area from unwanted intrusion?

Funny, but you seem to think the people of Gaza have that right.

[quote][p][bold]Nikski[/bold] wrote:
Simon 'Nimby' Kirby again! He is opposed to any development in 'his area' even a windfarm 12 miles out at sea because it will spoil his views....presumably though he'd be happy to have fracking in his constituency if there was shale gas there, as his beloved Tories are rather enthusiastically promoting it, even trying to bribe communities to accept it. Pathetic Kirby![/p][/quote]So people aren't allowed to protect their area from unwanted intrusion?
Funny, but you seem to think the people of Gaza have that right.stevo!!

Nikski wrote…

Simon 'Nimby' Kirby again! He is opposed to any development in 'his area' even a windfarm 12 miles out at sea because it will spoil his views....presumably though he'd be happy to have fracking in his constituency if there was shale gas there, as his beloved Tories are rather enthusiastically promoting it, even trying to bribe communities to accept it. Pathetic Kirby!

So people aren't allowed to protect their area from unwanted intrusion?

Funny, but you seem to think the people of Gaza have that right.

Score: -1

Saltdean Resident
12:47pm Wed 13 Aug 14

The problem i see is that because the government moved the goal posts on planning applications of this sort, the developers are overlooking the brownfield sites for these green fringes as a green field is easier and cheaper to develop, therefore more profit. If we exhausted the brownfield sites first then i think there is a case to look at green field sites if done sympathetically to fit in with what is already there. These proposed developments are being put through because the government made it easier for developers and harder for councils and the people to knock them back, while brown field sites will sit idle until the green fringes is all swallowed up.

The problem i see is that because the government moved the goal posts on planning applications of this sort, the developers are overlooking the brownfield sites for these green fringes as a green field is easier and cheaper to develop, therefore more profit. If we exhausted the brownfield sites first then i think there is a case to look at green field sites if done sympathetically to fit in with what is already there. These proposed developments are being put through because the government made it easier for developers and harder for councils and the people to knock them back, while brown field sites will sit idle until the green fringes is all swallowed up.Saltdean Resident

The problem i see is that because the government moved the goal posts on planning applications of this sort, the developers are overlooking the brownfield sites for these green fringes as a green field is easier and cheaper to develop, therefore more profit. If we exhausted the brownfield sites first then i think there is a case to look at green field sites if done sympathetically to fit in with what is already there. These proposed developments are being put through because the government made it easier for developers and harder for councils and the people to knock them back, while brown field sites will sit idle until the green fringes is all swallowed up.

Score: 40

Nikski
4:23pm Wed 13 Aug 14

stevo!! wrote…

Nikski wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

Laserluke wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

makoshark wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

Laserluke wrote…

Kirby desperate for votes. We need houses and we are at the stage locally where just building on brownfield sites is still not enough. I assume the population is growing in Rottingdean, Woodingdean and Ovingdean so where should these people live?

Where are they currently living?

With their parents, in rented properties waiting to take the step up to ownership, wanting to downsize, wanting to upsize!!! Where should they live... Brighton & Hove / East Sussex is a fast growing region and has identified needs for new home development ???

Where do you suggest ???

But is the increase in the population of those three areas due to the residents or to the influx of outsiders?

THAT was behind my question.

Do you play the banjo stevo?

Guitar and bass, as if that's relevant.

Really? I'd have had you down as more of a fiddler.....

On what grounds? Your ignorance and bigotry?

Do tell.

Well you're obviously a cultured chap stevo I just thought you might have played the violin......you didn't think I meant any other sort of fiddler?

[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Nikski[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Laserluke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]makoshark[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Laserluke[/bold] wrote:
Kirby desperate for votes. We need houses and we are at the stage locally where just building on brownfield sites is still not enough. I assume the population is growing in Rottingdean, Woodingdean and Ovingdean so where should these people live?[/p][/quote]Where are they currently living?[/p][/quote]With their parents, in rented properties waiting to take the step up to ownership, wanting to downsize, wanting to upsize!!! Where should they live... Brighton & Hove / East Sussex is a fast growing region and has identified needs for new home development ???
Where do you suggest ???[/p][/quote]But is the increase in the population of those three areas due to the residents or to the influx of outsiders?
THAT was behind my question.[/p][/quote]Do you play the banjo stevo?[/p][/quote]Guitar and bass, as if that's relevant.[/p][/quote]Really? I'd have had you down as more of a fiddler.....[/p][/quote]On what grounds? Your ignorance and bigotry?
Do tell.[/p][/quote]Well you're obviously a cultured chap stevo I just thought you might have played the violin......you didn't think I meant any other sort of fiddler?Nikski

stevo!! wrote…

Nikski wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

Laserluke wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

makoshark wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

Laserluke wrote…

Kirby desperate for votes. We need houses and we are at the stage locally where just building on brownfield sites is still not enough. I assume the population is growing in Rottingdean, Woodingdean and Ovingdean so where should these people live?

Where are they currently living?

With their parents, in rented properties waiting to take the step up to ownership, wanting to downsize, wanting to upsize!!! Where should they live... Brighton & Hove / East Sussex is a fast growing region and has identified needs for new home development ???

Where do you suggest ???

But is the increase in the population of those three areas due to the residents or to the influx of outsiders?

THAT was behind my question.

Do you play the banjo stevo?

Guitar and bass, as if that's relevant.

Really? I'd have had you down as more of a fiddler.....

On what grounds? Your ignorance and bigotry?

Do tell.

Well you're obviously a cultured chap stevo I just thought you might have played the violin......you didn't think I meant any other sort of fiddler?

Score: 0

Laserluke
2:05pm Wed 13 Aug 14

stevo!! wrote…

makoshark wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

Laserluke wrote…

Kirby desperate for votes. We need houses and we are at the stage locally where just building on brownfield sites is still not enough. I assume the population is growing in Rottingdean, Woodingdean and Ovingdean so where should these people live?

Where are they currently living?

With their parents, in rented properties waiting to take the step up to ownership, wanting to downsize, wanting to upsize!!! Where should they live... Brighton & Hove / East Sussex is a fast growing region and has identified needs for new home development ???

Where do you suggest ???

But is the increase in the population of those three areas due to the residents or to the influx of outsiders?

THAT was behind my question.

Do you play the banjo stevo?

[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]makoshark[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Laserluke[/bold] wrote:
Kirby desperate for votes. We need houses and we are at the stage locally where just building on brownfield sites is still not enough. I assume the population is growing in Rottingdean, Woodingdean and Ovingdean so where should these people live?[/p][/quote]Where are they currently living?[/p][/quote]With their parents, in rented properties waiting to take the step up to ownership, wanting to downsize, wanting to upsize!!! Where should they live... Brighton & Hove / East Sussex is a fast growing region and has identified needs for new home development ???
Where do you suggest ???[/p][/quote]But is the increase in the population of those three areas due to the residents or to the influx of outsiders?
THAT was behind my question.[/p][/quote]Do you play the banjo stevo?Laserluke

stevo!! wrote…

makoshark wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

Laserluke wrote…

Kirby desperate for votes. We need houses and we are at the stage locally where just building on brownfield sites is still not enough. I assume the population is growing in Rottingdean, Woodingdean and Ovingdean so where should these people live?

Where are they currently living?

With their parents, in rented properties waiting to take the step up to ownership, wanting to downsize, wanting to upsize!!! Where should they live... Brighton & Hove / East Sussex is a fast growing region and has identified needs for new home development ???

Where do you suggest ???

But is the increase in the population of those three areas due to the residents or to the influx of outsiders?

THAT was behind my question.

Do you play the banjo stevo?

Score: 1

stevo!!
3:04pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Laserluke wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

makoshark wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

Laserluke wrote…

Kirby desperate for votes. We need houses and we are at the stage locally where just building on brownfield sites is still not enough. I assume the population is growing in Rottingdean, Woodingdean and Ovingdean so where should these people live?

Where are they currently living?

With their parents, in rented properties waiting to take the step up to ownership, wanting to downsize, wanting to upsize!!! Where should they live... Brighton & Hove / East Sussex is a fast growing region and has identified needs for new home development ???

Where do you suggest ???

But is the increase in the population of those three areas due to the residents or to the influx of outsiders?

THAT was behind my question.

Do you play the banjo stevo?

Guitar and bass, as if that's relevant.

[quote][p][bold]Laserluke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]makoshark[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Laserluke[/bold] wrote:
Kirby desperate for votes. We need houses and we are at the stage locally where just building on brownfield sites is still not enough. I assume the population is growing in Rottingdean, Woodingdean and Ovingdean so where should these people live?[/p][/quote]Where are they currently living?[/p][/quote]With their parents, in rented properties waiting to take the step up to ownership, wanting to downsize, wanting to upsize!!! Where should they live... Brighton & Hove / East Sussex is a fast growing region and has identified needs for new home development ???
Where do you suggest ???[/p][/quote]But is the increase in the population of those three areas due to the residents or to the influx of outsiders?
THAT was behind my question.[/p][/quote]Do you play the banjo stevo?[/p][/quote]Guitar and bass, as if that's relevant.stevo!!

Laserluke wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

makoshark wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

Laserluke wrote…

Kirby desperate for votes. We need houses and we are at the stage locally where just building on brownfield sites is still not enough. I assume the population is growing in Rottingdean, Woodingdean and Ovingdean so where should these people live?

Where are they currently living?

With their parents, in rented properties waiting to take the step up to ownership, wanting to downsize, wanting to upsize!!! Where should they live... Brighton & Hove / East Sussex is a fast growing region and has identified needs for new home development ???

Where do you suggest ???

But is the increase in the population of those three areas due to the residents or to the influx of outsiders?

THAT was behind my question.

Do you play the banjo stevo?

Guitar and bass, as if that's relevant.

Score: -4

stevo!!
3:26pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Nikski wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

Laserluke wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

makoshark wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

Laserluke wrote…

Kirby desperate for votes. We need houses and we are at the stage locally where just building on brownfield sites is still not enough. I assume the population is growing in Rottingdean, Woodingdean and Ovingdean so where should these people live?

Where are they currently living?

With their parents, in rented properties waiting to take the step up to ownership, wanting to downsize, wanting to upsize!!! Where should they live... Brighton & Hove / East Sussex is a fast growing region and has identified needs for new home development ???

Where do you suggest ???

But is the increase in the population of those three areas due to the residents or to the influx of outsiders?

THAT was behind my question.

Do you play the banjo stevo?

Guitar and bass, as if that's relevant.

Really? I'd have had you down as more of a fiddler.....

On what grounds? Your ignorance and bigotry?

Do tell.

[quote][p][bold]Nikski[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Laserluke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]makoshark[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Laserluke[/bold] wrote:
Kirby desperate for votes. We need houses and we are at the stage locally where just building on brownfield sites is still not enough. I assume the population is growing in Rottingdean, Woodingdean and Ovingdean so where should these people live?[/p][/quote]Where are they currently living?[/p][/quote]With their parents, in rented properties waiting to take the step up to ownership, wanting to downsize, wanting to upsize!!! Where should they live... Brighton & Hove / East Sussex is a fast growing region and has identified needs for new home development ???
Where do you suggest ???[/p][/quote]But is the increase in the population of those three areas due to the residents or to the influx of outsiders?
THAT was behind my question.[/p][/quote]Do you play the banjo stevo?[/p][/quote]Guitar and bass, as if that's relevant.[/p][/quote]Really? I'd have had you down as more of a fiddler.....[/p][/quote]On what grounds? Your ignorance and bigotry?
Do tell.stevo!!

Nikski wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

Laserluke wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

makoshark wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

Laserluke wrote…

Kirby desperate for votes. We need houses and we are at the stage locally where just building on brownfield sites is still not enough. I assume the population is growing in Rottingdean, Woodingdean and Ovingdean so where should these people live?

Where are they currently living?

With their parents, in rented properties waiting to take the step up to ownership, wanting to downsize, wanting to upsize!!! Where should they live... Brighton & Hove / East Sussex is a fast growing region and has identified needs for new home development ???

Where do you suggest ???

But is the increase in the population of those three areas due to the residents or to the influx of outsiders?

THAT was behind my question.

Do you play the banjo stevo?

Guitar and bass, as if that's relevant.

Really? I'd have had you down as more of a fiddler.....

On what grounds? Your ignorance and bigotry?

Do tell.

Score: 4

Nikski
3:19pm Wed 13 Aug 14

stevo!! wrote…

Laserluke wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

makoshark wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

Laserluke wrote…

Kirby desperate for votes. We need houses and we are at the stage locally where just building on brownfield sites is still not enough. I assume the population is growing in Rottingdean, Woodingdean and Ovingdean so where should these people live?

Where are they currently living?

With their parents, in rented properties waiting to take the step up to ownership, wanting to downsize, wanting to upsize!!! Where should they live... Brighton & Hove / East Sussex is a fast growing region and has identified needs for new home development ???

Where do you suggest ???

But is the increase in the population of those three areas due to the residents or to the influx of outsiders?

THAT was behind my question.

Do you play the banjo stevo?

Guitar and bass, as if that's relevant.

Really? I'd have had you down as more of a fiddler.....

[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Laserluke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]makoshark[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Laserluke[/bold] wrote:
Kirby desperate for votes. We need houses and we are at the stage locally where just building on brownfield sites is still not enough. I assume the population is growing in Rottingdean, Woodingdean and Ovingdean so where should these people live?[/p][/quote]Where are they currently living?[/p][/quote]With their parents, in rented properties waiting to take the step up to ownership, wanting to downsize, wanting to upsize!!! Where should they live... Brighton & Hove / East Sussex is a fast growing region and has identified needs for new home development ???
Where do you suggest ???[/p][/quote]But is the increase in the population of those three areas due to the residents or to the influx of outsiders?
THAT was behind my question.[/p][/quote]Do you play the banjo stevo?[/p][/quote]Guitar and bass, as if that's relevant.[/p][/quote]Really? I'd have had you down as more of a fiddler.....Nikski

stevo!! wrote…

Laserluke wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

makoshark wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

Laserluke wrote…

Kirby desperate for votes. We need houses and we are at the stage locally where just building on brownfield sites is still not enough. I assume the population is growing in Rottingdean, Woodingdean and Ovingdean so where should these people live?

Where are they currently living?

With their parents, in rented properties waiting to take the step up to ownership, wanting to downsize, wanting to upsize!!! Where should they live... Brighton & Hove / East Sussex is a fast growing region and has identified needs for new home development ???

Where do you suggest ???

But is the increase in the population of those three areas due to the residents or to the influx of outsiders?

THAT was behind my question.

Do you play the banjo stevo?

Guitar and bass, as if that's relevant.

Really? I'd have had you down as more of a fiddler.....

Score: 0

stevo!!
4:46pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Nikski wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

Nikski wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

Laserluke wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

makoshark wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

Laserluke wrote…

Kirby desperate for votes. We need houses and we are at the stage locally where just building on brownfield sites is still not enough. I assume the population is growing in Rottingdean, Woodingdean and Ovingdean so where should these people live?

Where are they currently living?

With their parents, in rented properties waiting to take the step up to ownership, wanting to downsize, wanting to upsize!!! Where should they live... Brighton & Hove / East Sussex is a fast growing region and has identified needs for new home development ???

Where do you suggest ???

But is the increase in the population of those three areas due to the residents or to the influx of outsiders?

THAT was behind my question.

Do you play the banjo stevo?

Guitar and bass, as if that's relevant.

Really? I'd have had you down as more of a fiddler.....

On what grounds? Your ignorance and bigotry?

Do tell.

Well you're obviously a cultured chap stevo I just thought you might have played the violin......you didn't think I meant any other sort of fiddler?

I gave no indication of my lifestyle, and violins aren't the preserve of the elite. Equally, I hadn't even mentioned that I am musical.

So I accept your admission that you based your claim on your ignorance and bigotry.

[quote][p][bold]Nikski[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Nikski[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Laserluke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]makoshark[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Laserluke[/bold] wrote:
Kirby desperate for votes. We need houses and we are at the stage locally where just building on brownfield sites is still not enough. I assume the population is growing in Rottingdean, Woodingdean and Ovingdean so where should these people live?[/p][/quote]Where are they currently living?[/p][/quote]With their parents, in rented properties waiting to take the step up to ownership, wanting to downsize, wanting to upsize!!! Where should they live... Brighton & Hove / East Sussex is a fast growing region and has identified needs for new home development ???
Where do you suggest ???[/p][/quote]But is the increase in the population of those three areas due to the residents or to the influx of outsiders?
THAT was behind my question.[/p][/quote]Do you play the banjo stevo?[/p][/quote]Guitar and bass, as if that's relevant.[/p][/quote]Really? I'd have had you down as more of a fiddler.....[/p][/quote]On what grounds? Your ignorance and bigotry?
Do tell.[/p][/quote]Well you're obviously a cultured chap stevo I just thought you might have played the violin......you didn't think I meant any other sort of fiddler?[/p][/quote]I gave no indication of my lifestyle, and violins aren't the preserve of the elite. Equally, I hadn't even mentioned that I am musical.
So I accept your admission that you based your claim on your ignorance and bigotry.stevo!!

Nikski wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

Nikski wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

Laserluke wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

makoshark wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

Laserluke wrote…

Kirby desperate for votes. We need houses and we are at the stage locally where just building on brownfield sites is still not enough. I assume the population is growing in Rottingdean, Woodingdean and Ovingdean so where should these people live?

Where are they currently living?

With their parents, in rented properties waiting to take the step up to ownership, wanting to downsize, wanting to upsize!!! Where should they live... Brighton & Hove / East Sussex is a fast growing region and has identified needs for new home development ???

Where do you suggest ???

But is the increase in the population of those three areas due to the residents or to the influx of outsiders?

THAT was behind my question.

Do you play the banjo stevo?

Guitar and bass, as if that's relevant.

Really? I'd have had you down as more of a fiddler.....

On what grounds? Your ignorance and bigotry?

Do tell.

Well you're obviously a cultured chap stevo I just thought you might have played the violin......you didn't think I meant any other sort of fiddler?

I gave no indication of my lifestyle, and violins aren't the preserve of the elite. Equally, I hadn't even mentioned that I am musical.

So I accept your admission that you based your claim on your ignorance and bigotry.

Score: -7

nosolution
6:09pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Ridiculous planning application on a green field site where the surrounding roads are snarled with traffic day in day out. Jamming people in like sardines in every available nook and cranny at the loss to the general public of every bit of open space is not progressive thinking. Developers should be forced to take a cut in their massive profits and build sustainable housing on brown field sites only...

Ridiculous planning application on a green field site where the surrounding roads are snarled with traffic day in day out. Jamming people in like sardines in every available nook and cranny at the loss to the general public of every bit of open space is not progressive thinking. Developers should be forced to take a cut in their massive profits and build sustainable housing on brown field sites only...nosolution

Ridiculous planning application on a green field site where the surrounding roads are snarled with traffic day in day out. Jamming people in like sardines in every available nook and cranny at the loss to the general public of every bit of open space is not progressive thinking. Developers should be forced to take a cut in their massive profits and build sustainable housing on brown field sites only...

Score: 19

Nikski
6:38pm Wed 13 Aug 14

stevo!! wrote…

Nikski wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

Nikski wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

Laserluke wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

makoshark wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

Laserluke wrote…

Kirby desperate for votes. We need houses and we are at the stage locally where just building on brownfield sites is still not enough. I assume the population is growing in Rottingdean, Woodingdean and Ovingdean so where should these people live?

Where are they currently living?

With their parents, in rented properties waiting to take the step up to ownership, wanting to downsize, wanting to upsize!!! Where should they live... Brighton & Hove / East Sussex is a fast growing region and has identified needs for new home development ???

Where do you suggest ???

But is the increase in the population of those three areas due to the residents or to the influx of outsiders?

THAT was behind my question.

Do you play the banjo stevo?

Guitar and bass, as if that's relevant.

Really? I'd have had you down as more of a fiddler.....

On what grounds? Your ignorance and bigotry?

Do tell.

Well you're obviously a cultured chap stevo I just thought you might have played the violin......you didn't think I meant any other sort of fiddler?

I gave no indication of my lifestyle, and violins aren't the preserve of the elite. Equally, I hadn't even mentioned that I am musical.

So I accept your admission that you based your claim on your ignorance and bigotry.

In response to the question: "Do you play the banjo stevo?"you replied: Guitar and bass, as if that's relevant.
So that is not a reference to your being musical? Ok.....
Yes it is true that you gave no indication of your lifestyle, however, if a person is cultured it does not necessarily mean they are part of an elite; it could mean that they have been trained in some way, or developed an ability, for example playing the violin (or guitar or bass) So you see stevo this is what happens when someone when someone, ie you, tries to appear cleverer than they are; unfortunately they make themselves look stupid!

[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Nikski[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Nikski[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Laserluke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]makoshark[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Laserluke[/bold] wrote:
Kirby desperate for votes. We need houses and we are at the stage locally where just building on brownfield sites is still not enough. I assume the population is growing in Rottingdean, Woodingdean and Ovingdean so where should these people live?[/p][/quote]Where are they currently living?[/p][/quote]With their parents, in rented properties waiting to take the step up to ownership, wanting to downsize, wanting to upsize!!! Where should they live... Brighton & Hove / East Sussex is a fast growing region and has identified needs for new home development ???
Where do you suggest ???[/p][/quote]But is the increase in the population of those three areas due to the residents or to the influx of outsiders?
THAT was behind my question.[/p][/quote]Do you play the banjo stevo?[/p][/quote]Guitar and bass, as if that's relevant.[/p][/quote]Really? I'd have had you down as more of a fiddler.....[/p][/quote]On what grounds? Your ignorance and bigotry?
Do tell.[/p][/quote]Well you're obviously a cultured chap stevo I just thought you might have played the violin......you didn't think I meant any other sort of fiddler?[/p][/quote]I gave no indication of my lifestyle, and violins aren't the preserve of the elite. Equally, I hadn't even mentioned that I am musical.
So I accept your admission that you based your claim on your ignorance and bigotry.[/p][/quote]In response to the question: "Do you play the banjo stevo?"you replied: Guitar and bass, as if that's relevant.
So that is not a reference to your being musical? Ok.....
Yes it is true that you gave no indication of your lifestyle, however, if a person is cultured it does not necessarily mean they are part of an elite; it could mean that they have been trained in some way, or developed an ability, for example playing the violin (or guitar or bass) So you see stevo this is what happens when someone when someone, ie you, tries to appear cleverer than they are; unfortunately they make themselves look stupid!Nikski

stevo!! wrote…

Nikski wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

Nikski wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

Laserluke wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

makoshark wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

Laserluke wrote…

Kirby desperate for votes. We need houses and we are at the stage locally where just building on brownfield sites is still not enough. I assume the population is growing in Rottingdean, Woodingdean and Ovingdean so where should these people live?

Where are they currently living?

With their parents, in rented properties waiting to take the step up to ownership, wanting to downsize, wanting to upsize!!! Where should they live... Brighton & Hove / East Sussex is a fast growing region and has identified needs for new home development ???

Where do you suggest ???

But is the increase in the population of those three areas due to the residents or to the influx of outsiders?

THAT was behind my question.

Do you play the banjo stevo?

Guitar and bass, as if that's relevant.

Really? I'd have had you down as more of a fiddler.....

On what grounds? Your ignorance and bigotry?

Do tell.

Well you're obviously a cultured chap stevo I just thought you might have played the violin......you didn't think I meant any other sort of fiddler?

I gave no indication of my lifestyle, and violins aren't the preserve of the elite. Equally, I hadn't even mentioned that I am musical.

So I accept your admission that you based your claim on your ignorance and bigotry.

In response to the question: "Do you play the banjo stevo?"you replied: Guitar and bass, as if that's relevant.
So that is not a reference to your being musical? Ok.....
Yes it is true that you gave no indication of your lifestyle, however, if a person is cultured it does not necessarily mean they are part of an elite; it could mean that they have been trained in some way, or developed an ability, for example playing the violin (or guitar or bass) So you see stevo this is what happens when someone when someone, ie you, tries to appear cleverer than they are; unfortunately they make themselves look stupid!

Score: -1

rolivan
9:28pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Which type of affordable Housing is going to make up the 40% or 40 houses proposed?

Which type of affordable Housing is going to make up the 40% or 40 houses proposed?rolivan

Which type of affordable Housing is going to make up the 40% or 40 houses proposed?

Score: 6

stevo!!
8:56pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Nikski wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

Nikski wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

Nikski wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

Laserluke wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

makoshark wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

Laserluke wrote…

Kirby desperate for votes. We need houses and we are at the stage locally where just building on brownfield sites is still not enough. I assume the population is growing in Rottingdean, Woodingdean and Ovingdean so where should these people live?

Where are they currently living?

With their parents, in rented properties waiting to take the step up to ownership, wanting to downsize, wanting to upsize!!! Where should they live... Brighton & Hove / East Sussex is a fast growing region and has identified needs for new home development ???

Where do you suggest ???

But is the increase in the population of those three areas due to the residents or to the influx of outsiders?

THAT was behind my question.

Do you play the banjo stevo?

Guitar and bass, as if that's relevant.

Really? I'd have had you down as more of a fiddler.....

On what grounds? Your ignorance and bigotry?

Do tell.

Well you're obviously a cultured chap stevo I just thought you might have played the violin......you didn't think I meant any other sort of fiddler?

I gave no indication of my lifestyle, and violins aren't the preserve of the elite. Equally, I hadn't even mentioned that I am musical.

So I accept your admission that you based your claim on your ignorance and bigotry.

In response to the question: "Do you play the banjo stevo?"you replied: Guitar and bass, as if that's relevant.
So that is not a reference to your being musical? Ok.....
Yes it is true that you gave no indication of your lifestyle, however, if a person is cultured it does not necessarily mean they are part of an elite; it could mean that they have been trained in some way, or developed an ability, for example playing the violin (or guitar or bass) So you see stevo this is what happens when someone when someone, ie you, tries to appear cleverer than they are; unfortunately they make themselves look stupid!

" So that is not a reference to your being musical?"

I didn't claim that it wasn't.

On being told by me that I am musical, you told us that you'd already assumed (ie before being told that I play instruments) that I played the fiddle despite not knowing if I actually played anything.

Your pathetic attempt to explain how you had reached that assumption proved yet again that you base so many of your claims about me ( a person of whom you know nothing) on your ignorance and bigotry.

" So you see stevo this is what happens when someone when someone, ie you, tries to appear cleverer than they are"

I'm really interested to learn how someone can 'try' to appear cleverer than they are.

Your explanation had better be good, because I love pointing out how stupid you are.

Over to you!

[quote][p][bold]Nikski[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Nikski[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Nikski[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Laserluke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]makoshark[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Laserluke[/bold] wrote:
Kirby desperate for votes. We need houses and we are at the stage locally where just building on brownfield sites is still not enough. I assume the population is growing in Rottingdean, Woodingdean and Ovingdean so where should these people live?[/p][/quote]Where are they currently living?[/p][/quote]With their parents, in rented properties waiting to take the step up to ownership, wanting to downsize, wanting to upsize!!! Where should they live... Brighton & Hove / East Sussex is a fast growing region and has identified needs for new home development ???
Where do you suggest ???[/p][/quote]But is the increase in the population of those three areas due to the residents or to the influx of outsiders?
THAT was behind my question.[/p][/quote]Do you play the banjo stevo?[/p][/quote]Guitar and bass, as if that's relevant.[/p][/quote]Really? I'd have had you down as more of a fiddler.....[/p][/quote]On what grounds? Your ignorance and bigotry?
Do tell.[/p][/quote]Well you're obviously a cultured chap stevo I just thought you might have played the violin......you didn't think I meant any other sort of fiddler?[/p][/quote]I gave no indication of my lifestyle, and violins aren't the preserve of the elite. Equally, I hadn't even mentioned that I am musical.
So I accept your admission that you based your claim on your ignorance and bigotry.[/p][/quote]In response to the question: "Do you play the banjo stevo?"you replied: Guitar and bass, as if that's relevant.
So that is not a reference to your being musical? Ok.....
Yes it is true that you gave no indication of your lifestyle, however, if a person is cultured it does not necessarily mean they are part of an elite; it could mean that they have been trained in some way, or developed an ability, for example playing the violin (or guitar or bass) So you see stevo this is what happens when someone when someone, ie you, tries to appear cleverer than they are; unfortunately they make themselves look stupid![/p][/quote]" So that is not a reference to your being musical?"
I didn't claim that it wasn't.
On being told by me that I am musical, you told us that you'd already assumed (ie before being told that I play instruments) that I played the fiddle despite not knowing if I actually played anything.
Your pathetic attempt to explain how you had reached that assumption proved yet again that you base so many of your claims about me ( a person of whom you know nothing) on your ignorance and bigotry.
" So you see stevo this is what happens when someone when someone, ie you, tries to appear cleverer than they are"
I'm really interested to learn how someone can 'try' to appear cleverer than they are.
Your explanation had better be good, because I love pointing out how stupid you are.
Over to you!stevo!!

Nikski wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

Nikski wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

Nikski wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

Laserluke wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

makoshark wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

Laserluke wrote…

Kirby desperate for votes. We need houses and we are at the stage locally where just building on brownfield sites is still not enough. I assume the population is growing in Rottingdean, Woodingdean and Ovingdean so where should these people live?

Where are they currently living?

With their parents, in rented properties waiting to take the step up to ownership, wanting to downsize, wanting to upsize!!! Where should they live... Brighton & Hove / East Sussex is a fast growing region and has identified needs for new home development ???

Where do you suggest ???

But is the increase in the population of those three areas due to the residents or to the influx of outsiders?

THAT was behind my question.

Do you play the banjo stevo?

Guitar and bass, as if that's relevant.

Really? I'd have had you down as more of a fiddler.....

On what grounds? Your ignorance and bigotry?

Do tell.

Well you're obviously a cultured chap stevo I just thought you might have played the violin......you didn't think I meant any other sort of fiddler?

I gave no indication of my lifestyle, and violins aren't the preserve of the elite. Equally, I hadn't even mentioned that I am musical.

So I accept your admission that you based your claim on your ignorance and bigotry.

In response to the question: "Do you play the banjo stevo?"you replied: Guitar and bass, as if that's relevant.
So that is not a reference to your being musical? Ok.....
Yes it is true that you gave no indication of your lifestyle, however, if a person is cultured it does not necessarily mean they are part of an elite; it could mean that they have been trained in some way, or developed an ability, for example playing the violin (or guitar or bass) So you see stevo this is what happens when someone when someone, ie you, tries to appear cleverer than they are; unfortunately they make themselves look stupid!

" So that is not a reference to your being musical?"

I didn't claim that it wasn't.

On being told by me that I am musical, you told us that you'd already assumed (ie before being told that I play instruments) that I played the fiddle despite not knowing if I actually played anything.

Your pathetic attempt to explain how you had reached that assumption proved yet again that you base so many of your claims about me ( a person of whom you know nothing) on your ignorance and bigotry.

" So you see stevo this is what happens when someone when someone, ie you, tries to appear cleverer than they are"

I'm really interested to learn how someone can 'try' to appear cleverer than they are.

Your explanation had better be good, because I love pointing out how stupid you are.

Over to you!

Score: -2

Nikski
9:14pm Wed 13 Aug 14

stevo!! wrote…

Nikski wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

Nikski wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

Nikski wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

Laserluke wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

makoshark wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

Laserluke wrote…

Kirby desperate for votes. We need houses and we are at the stage locally where just building on brownfield sites is still not enough. I assume the population is growing in Rottingdean, Woodingdean and Ovingdean so where should these people live?

Where are they currently living?

With their parents, in rented properties waiting to take the step up to ownership, wanting to downsize, wanting to upsize!!! Where should they live... Brighton & Hove / East Sussex is a fast growing region and has identified needs for new home development ???

Where do you suggest ???

But is the increase in the population of those three areas due to the residents or to the influx of outsiders?

THAT was behind my question.

Do you play the banjo stevo?

Guitar and bass, as if that's relevant.

Really? I'd have had you down as more of a fiddler.....

On what grounds? Your ignorance and bigotry?

Do tell.

Well you're obviously a cultured chap stevo I just thought you might have played the violin......you didn't think I meant any other sort of fiddler?

I gave no indication of my lifestyle, and violins aren't the preserve of the elite. Equally, I hadn't even mentioned that I am musical.

So I accept your admission that you based your claim on your ignorance and bigotry.

In response to the question: "Do you play the banjo stevo?"you replied: Guitar and bass, as if that's relevant.
So that is not a reference to your being musical? Ok.....
Yes it is true that you gave no indication of your lifestyle, however, if a person is cultured it does not necessarily mean they are part of an elite; it could mean that they have been trained in some way, or developed an ability, for example playing the violin (or guitar or bass) So you see stevo this is what happens when someone when someone, ie you, tries to appear cleverer than they are; unfortunately they make themselves look stupid!

" So that is not a reference to your being musical?"

I didn't claim that it wasn't.

On being told by me that I am musical, you told us that you'd already assumed (ie before being told that I play instruments) that I played the fiddle despite not knowing if I actually played anything.

Your pathetic attempt to explain how you had reached that assumption proved yet again that you base so many of your claims about me ( a person of whom you know nothing) on your ignorance and bigotry.

" So you see stevo this is what happens when someone when someone, ie you, tries to appear cleverer than they are"

I'm really interested to learn how someone can 'try' to appear cleverer than they are.

Your explanation had better be good, because I love pointing out how stupid you are.

Over to you!

Zzzzzzzzzzzz

[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Nikski[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Nikski[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Nikski[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Laserluke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]makoshark[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Laserluke[/bold] wrote:
Kirby desperate for votes. We need houses and we are at the stage locally where just building on brownfield sites is still not enough. I assume the population is growing in Rottingdean, Woodingdean and Ovingdean so where should these people live?[/p][/quote]Where are they currently living?[/p][/quote]With their parents, in rented properties waiting to take the step up to ownership, wanting to downsize, wanting to upsize!!! Where should they live... Brighton & Hove / East Sussex is a fast growing region and has identified needs for new home development ???
Where do you suggest ???[/p][/quote]But is the increase in the population of those three areas due to the residents or to the influx of outsiders?
THAT was behind my question.[/p][/quote]Do you play the banjo stevo?[/p][/quote]Guitar and bass, as if that's relevant.[/p][/quote]Really? I'd have had you down as more of a fiddler.....[/p][/quote]On what grounds? Your ignorance and bigotry?
Do tell.[/p][/quote]Well you're obviously a cultured chap stevo I just thought you might have played the violin......you didn't think I meant any other sort of fiddler?[/p][/quote]I gave no indication of my lifestyle, and violins aren't the preserve of the elite. Equally, I hadn't even mentioned that I am musical.
So I accept your admission that you based your claim on your ignorance and bigotry.[/p][/quote]In response to the question: "Do you play the banjo stevo?"you replied: Guitar and bass, as if that's relevant.
So that is not a reference to your being musical? Ok.....
Yes it is true that you gave no indication of your lifestyle, however, if a person is cultured it does not necessarily mean they are part of an elite; it could mean that they have been trained in some way, or developed an ability, for example playing the violin (or guitar or bass) So you see stevo this is what happens when someone when someone, ie you, tries to appear cleverer than they are; unfortunately they make themselves look stupid![/p][/quote]" So that is not a reference to your being musical?"
I didn't claim that it wasn't.
On being told by me that I am musical, you told us that you'd already assumed (ie before being told that I play instruments) that I played the fiddle despite not knowing if I actually played anything.
Your pathetic attempt to explain how you had reached that assumption proved yet again that you base so many of your claims about me ( a person of whom you know nothing) on your ignorance and bigotry.
" So you see stevo this is what happens when someone when someone, ie you, tries to appear cleverer than they are"
I'm really interested to learn how someone can 'try' to appear cleverer than they are.
Your explanation had better be good, because I love pointing out how stupid you are.
Over to you![/p][/quote]ZzzzzzzzzzzzNikski

stevo!! wrote…

Nikski wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

Nikski wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

Nikski wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

Laserluke wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

makoshark wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

Laserluke wrote…

Kirby desperate for votes. We need houses and we are at the stage locally where just building on brownfield sites is still not enough. I assume the population is growing in Rottingdean, Woodingdean and Ovingdean so where should these people live?

Where are they currently living?

With their parents, in rented properties waiting to take the step up to ownership, wanting to downsize, wanting to upsize!!! Where should they live... Brighton & Hove / East Sussex is a fast growing region and has identified needs for new home development ???

Where do you suggest ???

But is the increase in the population of those three areas due to the residents or to the influx of outsiders?

THAT was behind my question.

Do you play the banjo stevo?

Guitar and bass, as if that's relevant.

Really? I'd have had you down as more of a fiddler.....

On what grounds? Your ignorance and bigotry?

Do tell.

Well you're obviously a cultured chap stevo I just thought you might have played the violin......you didn't think I meant any other sort of fiddler?

I gave no indication of my lifestyle, and violins aren't the preserve of the elite. Equally, I hadn't even mentioned that I am musical.

So I accept your admission that you based your claim on your ignorance and bigotry.

In response to the question: "Do you play the banjo stevo?"you replied: Guitar and bass, as if that's relevant.
So that is not a reference to your being musical? Ok.....
Yes it is true that you gave no indication of your lifestyle, however, if a person is cultured it does not necessarily mean they are part of an elite; it could mean that they have been trained in some way, or developed an ability, for example playing the violin (or guitar or bass) So you see stevo this is what happens when someone when someone, ie you, tries to appear cleverer than they are; unfortunately they make themselves look stupid!

" So that is not a reference to your being musical?"

I didn't claim that it wasn't.

On being told by me that I am musical, you told us that you'd already assumed (ie before being told that I play instruments) that I played the fiddle despite not knowing if I actually played anything.

Your pathetic attempt to explain how you had reached that assumption proved yet again that you base so many of your claims about me ( a person of whom you know nothing) on your ignorance and bigotry.

" So you see stevo this is what happens when someone when someone, ie you, tries to appear cleverer than they are"

I'm really interested to learn how someone can 'try' to appear cleverer than they are.

Your explanation had better be good, because I love pointing out how stupid you are.

Over to you!

Zzzzzzzzzzzz

Score: -1

den2il
9:12pm Wed 13 Aug 14

I'm alright Jack!

I'm alright Jack!den2il

I'm alright Jack!

Score: -9

HJarrs
9:23pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Unbelievable hypocrisy from Kirby given that he voted for changes to planning laws that make it all but impossible for local people and councils to resist speculative and inconsiderate development by his pals.

I you voted Tory you should not complain as this is what you voted for.

Unbelievable hypocrisy from Kirby given that he voted for changes to planning laws that make it all but impossible for local people and councils to resist speculative and inconsiderate development by his pals.
I you voted Tory you should not complain as this is what you voted for.HJarrs

Unbelievable hypocrisy from Kirby given that he voted for changes to planning laws that make it all but impossible for local people and councils to resist speculative and inconsiderate development by his pals.

I you voted Tory you should not complain as this is what you voted for.

Score: -4

stevo!!
9:23pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Nikski wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

Nikski wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

Nikski wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

Nikski wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

Laserluke wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

makoshark wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

Laserluke wrote…

Kirby desperate for votes. We need houses and we are at the stage locally where just building on brownfield sites is still not enough. I assume the population is growing in Rottingdean, Woodingdean and Ovingdean so where should these people live?

Where are they currently living?

With their parents, in rented properties waiting to take the step up to ownership, wanting to downsize, wanting to upsize!!! Where should they live... Brighton & Hove / East Sussex is a fast growing region and has identified needs for new home development ???

Where do you suggest ???

But is the increase in the population of those three areas due to the residents or to the influx of outsiders?

THAT was behind my question.

Do you play the banjo stevo?

Guitar and bass, as if that's relevant.

Really? I'd have had you down as more of a fiddler.....

On what grounds? Your ignorance and bigotry?

Do tell.

Well you're obviously a cultured chap stevo I just thought you might have played the violin......you didn't think I meant any other sort of fiddler?

I gave no indication of my lifestyle, and violins aren't the preserve of the elite. Equally, I hadn't even mentioned that I am musical.

So I accept your admission that you based your claim on your ignorance and bigotry.

In response to the question: "Do you play the banjo stevo?"you replied: Guitar and bass, as if that's relevant.
So that is not a reference to your being musical? Ok.....
Yes it is true that you gave no indication of your lifestyle, however, if a person is cultured it does not necessarily mean they are part of an elite; it could mean that they have been trained in some way, or developed an ability, for example playing the violin (or guitar or bass) So you see stevo this is what happens when someone when someone, ie you, tries to appear cleverer than they are; unfortunately they make themselves look stupid!

" So that is not a reference to your being musical?"

I didn't claim that it wasn't.

On being told by me that I am musical, you told us that you'd already assumed (ie before being told that I play instruments) that I played the fiddle despite not knowing if I actually played anything.

Your pathetic attempt to explain how you had reached that assumption proved yet again that you base so many of your claims about me ( a person of whom you know nothing) on your ignorance and bigotry.

" So you see stevo this is what happens when someone when someone, ie you, tries to appear cleverer than they are"

I'm really interested to learn how someone can 'try' to appear cleverer than they are.

Your explanation had better be good, because I love pointing out how stupid you are.

Over to you!

Zzzzzzzzzzzz

So you admit to being stupid.......again.

[quote][p][bold]Nikski[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Nikski[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Nikski[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Nikski[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Laserluke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]makoshark[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Laserluke[/bold] wrote:
Kirby desperate for votes. We need houses and we are at the stage locally where just building on brownfield sites is still not enough. I assume the population is growing in Rottingdean, Woodingdean and Ovingdean so where should these people live?[/p][/quote]Where are they currently living?[/p][/quote]With their parents, in rented properties waiting to take the step up to ownership, wanting to downsize, wanting to upsize!!! Where should they live... Brighton & Hove / East Sussex is a fast growing region and has identified needs for new home development ???
Where do you suggest ???[/p][/quote]But is the increase in the population of those three areas due to the residents or to the influx of outsiders?
THAT was behind my question.[/p][/quote]Do you play the banjo stevo?[/p][/quote]Guitar and bass, as if that's relevant.[/p][/quote]Really? I'd have had you down as more of a fiddler.....[/p][/quote]On what grounds? Your ignorance and bigotry?
Do tell.[/p][/quote]Well you're obviously a cultured chap stevo I just thought you might have played the violin......you didn't think I meant any other sort of fiddler?[/p][/quote]I gave no indication of my lifestyle, and violins aren't the preserve of the elite. Equally, I hadn't even mentioned that I am musical.
So I accept your admission that you based your claim on your ignorance and bigotry.[/p][/quote]In response to the question: "Do you play the banjo stevo?"you replied: Guitar and bass, as if that's relevant.
So that is not a reference to your being musical? Ok.....
Yes it is true that you gave no indication of your lifestyle, however, if a person is cultured it does not necessarily mean they are part of an elite; it could mean that they have been trained in some way, or developed an ability, for example playing the violin (or guitar or bass) So you see stevo this is what happens when someone when someone, ie you, tries to appear cleverer than they are; unfortunately they make themselves look stupid![/p][/quote]" So that is not a reference to your being musical?"
I didn't claim that it wasn't.
On being told by me that I am musical, you told us that you'd already assumed (ie before being told that I play instruments) that I played the fiddle despite not knowing if I actually played anything.
Your pathetic attempt to explain how you had reached that assumption proved yet again that you base so many of your claims about me ( a person of whom you know nothing) on your ignorance and bigotry.
" So you see stevo this is what happens when someone when someone, ie you, tries to appear cleverer than they are"
I'm really interested to learn how someone can 'try' to appear cleverer than they are.
Your explanation had better be good, because I love pointing out how stupid you are.
Over to you![/p][/quote]Zzzzzzzzzzzz[/p][/quote]So you admit to being stupid.......again.stevo!!

Nikski wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

Nikski wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

Nikski wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

Nikski wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

Laserluke wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

makoshark wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

Laserluke wrote…

Kirby desperate for votes. We need houses and we are at the stage locally where just building on brownfield sites is still not enough. I assume the population is growing in Rottingdean, Woodingdean and Ovingdean so where should these people live?

Where are they currently living?

With their parents, in rented properties waiting to take the step up to ownership, wanting to downsize, wanting to upsize!!! Where should they live... Brighton & Hove / East Sussex is a fast growing region and has identified needs for new home development ???

Where do you suggest ???

But is the increase in the population of those three areas due to the residents or to the influx of outsiders?

THAT was behind my question.

Do you play the banjo stevo?

Guitar and bass, as if that's relevant.

Really? I'd have had you down as more of a fiddler.....

On what grounds? Your ignorance and bigotry?

Do tell.

Well you're obviously a cultured chap stevo I just thought you might have played the violin......you didn't think I meant any other sort of fiddler?

I gave no indication of my lifestyle, and violins aren't the preserve of the elite. Equally, I hadn't even mentioned that I am musical.

So I accept your admission that you based your claim on your ignorance and bigotry.

In response to the question: "Do you play the banjo stevo?"you replied: Guitar and bass, as if that's relevant.
So that is not a reference to your being musical? Ok.....
Yes it is true that you gave no indication of your lifestyle, however, if a person is cultured it does not necessarily mean they are part of an elite; it could mean that they have been trained in some way, or developed an ability, for example playing the violin (or guitar or bass) So you see stevo this is what happens when someone when someone, ie you, tries to appear cleverer than they are; unfortunately they make themselves look stupid!

" So that is not a reference to your being musical?"

I didn't claim that it wasn't.

On being told by me that I am musical, you told us that you'd already assumed (ie before being told that I play instruments) that I played the fiddle despite not knowing if I actually played anything.

Your pathetic attempt to explain how you had reached that assumption proved yet again that you base so many of your claims about me ( a person of whom you know nothing) on your ignorance and bigotry.

" So you see stevo this is what happens when someone when someone, ie you, tries to appear cleverer than they are"

I'm really interested to learn how someone can 'try' to appear cleverer than they are.

Your explanation had better be good, because I love pointing out how stupid you are.

Over to you!

Zzzzzzzzzzzz

So you admit to being stupid.......again.

Score: 0

Nikski
10:05pm Wed 13 Aug 14

HJarrs wrote…

Unbelievable hypocrisy from Kirby given that he voted for changes to planning laws that make it all but impossible for local people and councils to resist speculative and inconsiderate development by his pals.

I you voted Tory you should not complain as this is what you voted for.

Hypocritical tory? Surely not? Whatever next.....

[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote:
Unbelievable hypocrisy from Kirby given that he voted for changes to planning laws that make it all but impossible for local people and councils to resist speculative and inconsiderate development by his pals.
I you voted Tory you should not complain as this is what you voted for.[/p][/quote]Hypocritical tory? Surely not? Whatever next.....Nikski

HJarrs wrote…

Unbelievable hypocrisy from Kirby given that he voted for changes to planning laws that make it all but impossible for local people and councils to resist speculative and inconsiderate development by his pals.

I you voted Tory you should not complain as this is what you voted for.

Hypocritical tory? Surely not? Whatever next.....

Score: 2

Nikski
10:10pm Wed 13 Aug 14

stevo!! wrote…

Nikski wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

Nikski wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

Nikski wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

Laserluke wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

makoshark wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

Laserluke wrote…

Kirby desperate for votes. We need houses and we are at the stage locally where just building on brownfield sites is still not enough. I assume the population is growing in Rottingdean, Woodingdean and Ovingdean so where should these people live?

Where are they currently living?

With their parents, in rented properties waiting to take the step up to ownership, wanting to downsize, wanting to upsize!!! Where should they live... Brighton & Hove / East Sussex is a fast growing region and has identified needs for new home development ???

Where do you suggest ???

But is the increase in the population of those three areas due to the residents or to the influx of outsiders?

THAT was behind my question.

Do you play the banjo stevo?

Guitar and bass, as if that's relevant.

Really? I'd have had you down as more of a fiddler.....

On what grounds? Your ignorance and bigotry?

Do tell.

Well you're obviously a cultured chap stevo I just thought you might have played the violin......you didn't think I meant any other sort of fiddler?

I gave no indication of my lifestyle, and violins aren't the preserve of the elite. Equally, I hadn't even mentioned that I am musical.

So I accept your admission that you based your claim on your ignorance and bigotry.

In response to the question: "Do you play the banjo stevo?"you replied: Guitar and bass, as if that's relevant.
So that is not a reference to your being musical? Ok.....
Yes it is true that you gave no indication of your lifestyle, however, if a person is cultured it does not necessarily mean they are part of an elite; it could mean that they have been trained in some way, or developed an ability, for example playing the violin (or guitar or bass) So you see stevo this is what happens when someone when someone, ie you, tries to appear cleverer than they are; unfortunately they make themselves look stupid!

" So that is not a reference to your being musical?"

I didn't claim that it wasn't.

On being told by me that I am musical, you told us that you'd already assumed (ie before being told that I play instruments) that I played the fiddle despite not knowing if I actually played anything.

Your pathetic attempt to explain how you had reached that assumption proved yet again that you base so many of your claims about me ( a person of whom you know nothing) on your ignorance and bigotry.

" So you see stevo this is what happens when someone when someone, ie you, tries to appear cleverer than they are"

I'm really interested to learn how someone can 'try' to appear cleverer than they are.

Your explanation had better be good, because I love pointing out how stupid you are.

Over to you!

Er, no stevo, my remark about you being a fiddler came after you had offered the information about guitar and bass, a full 15 minutes later in fact......check it out pal it's there for everyone to see! Perhaps you are a Timelord; Dr What, or Dr Why?

[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Nikski[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Nikski[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Nikski[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Laserluke[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]makoshark[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Laserluke[/bold] wrote:
Kirby desperate for votes. We need houses and we are at the stage locally where just building on brownfield sites is still not enough. I assume the population is growing in Rottingdean, Woodingdean and Ovingdean so where should these people live?[/p][/quote]Where are they currently living?[/p][/quote]With their parents, in rented properties waiting to take the step up to ownership, wanting to downsize, wanting to upsize!!! Where should they live... Brighton & Hove / East Sussex is a fast growing region and has identified needs for new home development ???
Where do you suggest ???[/p][/quote]But is the increase in the population of those three areas due to the residents or to the influx of outsiders?
THAT was behind my question.[/p][/quote]Do you play the banjo stevo?[/p][/quote]Guitar and bass, as if that's relevant.[/p][/quote]Really? I'd have had you down as more of a fiddler.....[/p][/quote]On what grounds? Your ignorance and bigotry?
Do tell.[/p][/quote]Well you're obviously a cultured chap stevo I just thought you might have played the violin......you didn't think I meant any other sort of fiddler?[/p][/quote]I gave no indication of my lifestyle, and violins aren't the preserve of the elite. Equally, I hadn't even mentioned that I am musical.
So I accept your admission that you based your claim on your ignorance and bigotry.[/p][/quote]In response to the question: "Do you play the banjo stevo?"you replied: Guitar and bass, as if that's relevant.
So that is not a reference to your being musical? Ok.....
Yes it is true that you gave no indication of your lifestyle, however, if a person is cultured it does not necessarily mean they are part of an elite; it could mean that they have been trained in some way, or developed an ability, for example playing the violin (or guitar or bass) So you see stevo this is what happens when someone when someone, ie you, tries to appear cleverer than they are; unfortunately they make themselves look stupid![/p][/quote]" So that is not a reference to your being musical?"
I didn't claim that it wasn't.
On being told by me that I am musical, you told us that you'd already assumed (ie before being told that I play instruments) that I played the fiddle despite not knowing if I actually played anything.
Your pathetic attempt to explain how you had reached that assumption proved yet again that you base so many of your claims about me ( a person of whom you know nothing) on your ignorance and bigotry.
" So you see stevo this is what happens when someone when someone, ie you, tries to appear cleverer than they are"
I'm really interested to learn how someone can 'try' to appear cleverer than they are.
Your explanation had better be good, because I love pointing out how stupid you are.
Over to you![/p][/quote]Er, no stevo, my remark about you being a fiddler came after you had offered the information about guitar and bass, a full 15 minutes later in fact......check it out pal it's there for everyone to see! Perhaps you are a Timelord; Dr What, or Dr Why?Nikski

stevo!! wrote…

Nikski wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

Nikski wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

Nikski wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

Laserluke wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

makoshark wrote…

stevo!! wrote…

Laserluke wrote…

Kirby desperate for votes. We need houses and we are at the stage locally where just building on brownfield sites is still not enough. I assume the population is growing in Rottingdean, Woodingdean and Ovingdean so where should these people live?

Where are they currently living?

With their parents, in rented properties waiting to take the step up to ownership, wanting to downsize, wanting to upsize!!! Where should they live... Brighton & Hove / East Sussex is a fast growing region and has identified needs for new home development ???

Where do you suggest ???

But is the increase in the population of those three areas due to the residents or to the influx of outsiders?

THAT was behind my question.

Do you play the banjo stevo?

Guitar and bass, as if that's relevant.

Really? I'd have had you down as more of a fiddler.....

On what grounds? Your ignorance and bigotry?

Do tell.

Well you're obviously a cultured chap stevo I just thought you might have played the violin......you didn't think I meant any other sort of fiddler?

I gave no indication of my lifestyle, and violins aren't the preserve of the elite. Equally, I hadn't even mentioned that I am musical.

So I accept your admission that you based your claim on your ignorance and bigotry.

In response to the question: "Do you play the banjo stevo?"you replied: Guitar and bass, as if that's relevant.
So that is not a reference to your being musical? Ok.....
Yes it is true that you gave no indication of your lifestyle, however, if a person is cultured it does not necessarily mean they are part of an elite; it could mean that they have been trained in some way, or developed an ability, for example playing the violin (or guitar or bass) So you see stevo this is what happens when someone when someone, ie you, tries to appear cleverer than they are; unfortunately they make themselves look stupid!

" So that is not a reference to your being musical?"

I didn't claim that it wasn't.

On being told by me that I am musical, you told us that you'd already assumed (ie before being told that I play instruments) that I played the fiddle despite not knowing if I actually played anything.

Your pathetic attempt to explain how you had reached that assumption proved yet again that you base so many of your claims about me ( a person of whom you know nothing) on your ignorance and bigotry.

" So you see stevo this is what happens when someone when someone, ie you, tries to appear cleverer than they are"

I'm really interested to learn how someone can 'try' to appear cleverer than they are.

Your explanation had better be good, because I love pointing out how stupid you are.

Over to you!

Er, no stevo, my remark about you being a fiddler came after you had offered the information about guitar and bass, a full 15 minutes later in fact......check it out pal it's there for everyone to see! Perhaps you are a Timelord; Dr What, or Dr Why?

Campaign to protect rural England what a joke - people need homes - our children need homes - get off your academic soap box and live in the real world.

Campaign to protect rural England what a joke - people need homes - our children need homes - get off your academic soap box and live in the real world.Clunky

Campaign to protect rural England what a joke - people need homes - our children need homes - get off your academic soap box and live in the real world.

Score: -5

stevo!!
11:02pm Wed 13 Aug 14

"Er, no stevo, my remark about you being a fiddler came after you had offered the information about guitar and bass, a full 15 minutes later in fact......check it out pal it's there for everyone to see!"

I did, actually.

Here's what I found.

At 3.04, I stated that I played guitar and bass in answer to a question regarding the banjo.

At 3.19 you quoted that fact, and stated:

"Really? I'd have had you down as more of a fiddler....."

So you told us that before you knew what I played, you had already decided I played a violin, despite not knowing whether or not I played anything.

See what I mean? You had invented something about me.

The thing is, you knew you had, and now your lie about not doing so is here for all to see.

So, we can now state with proof that you're a lying, ignorant bigot.

You must be so proud.

"Er, no stevo, my remark about you being a fiddler came after you had offered the information about guitar and bass, a full 15 minutes later in fact......check it out pal it's there for everyone to see!"
I did, actually.
Here's what I found.
At 3.04, I stated that I played guitar and bass in answer to a question regarding the banjo.
At 3.19 you quoted that fact, and stated:
"Really? I'd have had you down as more of a fiddler....."
So you told us that before you knew what I played, you had already decided I played a violin, despite not knowing whether or not I played anything.
See what I mean? You had invented something about me.
The thing is, you knew you had, and now your lie about not doing so is here for all to see.
So, we can now state with proof that you're a lying, ignorant bigot.
You must be so proud.stevo!!

"Er, no stevo, my remark about you being a fiddler came after you had offered the information about guitar and bass, a full 15 minutes later in fact......check it out pal it's there for everyone to see!"

I did, actually.

Here's what I found.

At 3.04, I stated that I played guitar and bass in answer to a question regarding the banjo.

At 3.19 you quoted that fact, and stated:

"Really? I'd have had you down as more of a fiddler....."

So you told us that before you knew what I played, you had already decided I played a violin, despite not knowing whether or not I played anything.

See what I mean? You had invented something about me.

The thing is, you knew you had, and now your lie about not doing so is here for all to see.

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