P.S. It was more than Ledger that made TDK significant. Otherwise, nobody would have been outraged in 2008 when it got snubbed for an Oscar nomination for Best Picture. It was a remarkably told story that greatly impacted people at the time. I do agree that the latest entry does not do that.

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p.s. It was more than ledger that made tdk significant. Otherwise, nobody would have been outraged in 2008 when it got snubbed for an oscar nomination for best picture. It was a remarkably told story that greatly impacted people at the time. I do agree that the latest entry does not do that.

i agree.

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Like I said, Ledgers performance rose himself and the movie up another level. No character in TDKR did that.

To each their own. While I don't think Hardy's performance as Bane carried the film to another level, I did feel his portrayal as Bane to be very underrated, but simply, I feel TDKR is definitely a great film. I mean, to be mentioned with only three other CBMs(TDK, Spider-Man 2, Iron Man) to ever be placed in AFI's top ten list...that says something, imo.

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P.S. It was more than Ledger that made TDK significant. Otherwise, nobody would have been outraged in 2008 when it got snubbed for an Oscar nomination for Best Picture. It was a remarkably told story that greatly impacted people at the time. I do agree that the latest entry does not do that.

Color me outraged if TDKR isn't nominated for an Oscar, though.

But, anyways, it will take me years to get everyone to agree with me about TDKR, lol, so let's go back to The Master...you still think it has a chance at the Academy Awards then, DACrowe? You said you feel like voters will be obligated to vote for it, and I indeed hope so. Only in a dream world would every favorite film of mine for this year gets nominated, though, lol.

It's complicated, really. I've seen more top ten lists with TDKR than Skyfall, although you wouldn't know it when on RT Skyfall has 91% of top critics while TDKR only has 76%, but TDKR has 92% with the audience liking it while Skyfall has 88% in that area.

My main gripe is that The Dark Knight was a film that changed popular culture and has REMAINED in the consciousness of popular culture AND cinema for the 4 years since its release.

No film nominated in 2008, certainly not the film that won (Slumdog Millionaire) can say the same. The Dark Knight was a transcendent film. It was a Michael Mann/Christopher McQuarrie crime-thriller meets a James Cameron tent-pole action film, meets a superhero film, meets a social commentary.

My main question with awards like this is usually, "Which of these great, worthy films of any given year will most fondly and vividly be remembered 10-15 years from now?"

I would say that in 2008 that film would be The Dark Knight. In 2009? Avatar. In 2010? Inception. In 2011? This was a strange year. I felt The Descendants and Moneyball were stronger films than The Artist, but I get it...

As far as this year, I feel that The Dark Knight Rises needs to be nominated just on resonance alone. As a part of a whole, and as a film on its own it is wholly deserving. This will be a film that will be remembered and talked about much longer than a Moonrise Kingdom, etc. This is a film that was part of a trilogy that was a game-changer for a genre. A trilogy that made a genre truly credible. Reward it. Make it TRULY credible and deem it legitimate.

P.S. It was more than Ledger that made TDK significant. Otherwise, nobody would have been outraged in 2008 when it got snubbed for an Oscar nomination for Best Picture. It was a remarkably told story that greatly impacted people at the time. I do agree that the latest entry does not do that.

Agreed. I love Ledger in the role and thought he was great, but he's not the only reason TDK was so well-received and so good.

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P.S. It was more than Ledger that made TDK significant. Otherwise, nobody would have been outraged in 2008 when it got snubbed for an Oscar nomination for Best Picture. It was a remarkably told story that greatly impacted people at the time. I do agree that the latest entry does not do that.

Agreed

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My main gripe is that The Dark Knight was a film that changed popular culture and has REMAINED in the consciousness of popular culture AND cinema for the 4 years since its release.

No film nominated in 2008, certainly not the film that won (Slumdog Millionaire) can say the same. The Dark Knight was a transcendent film. It was a Michael Mann/Christopher McQuarrie crime-thriller meets a James Cameron tent-pole action film, meets a superhero film, meets a social commentary.

Same way I feel about The Matrix. IMO, that film was a landmark achievement in contemporary cinema; the Wachowskis expertly blended a near-endless level of philosophical depth with pop culture appeal, and it resulted in an unusually deep mainstream movie. What was The Matrix recognized for by the Academy? Sound Mixing and Visual Effects. Sure, it swept the particular categories for which it was given the nod, but there was far more to that movie than special effects and sound...

My point is that the Academy is so pretentious and off the wall that it isn't even worth getting worked up about. I don't think that there's a shred of integrity within the entire organization; it's a grandiose dog & pony show IMO. I'm sure we've all seen plenty of films that were so well executed in every objective measure by contemporary film standards(aesthetically or otherwise) that stand about a snowball's chance in Hell of winning an Oscar, let alone getting a nod.

Is that to say that every film recognized should be pushed aside? Certainly not, but there is indeed such a thing as Oscar bait, and I have a firm belief that such movies suffer because of it. I'm not a fan of TDKR(or the rest of the trilogy, or that matter), but I see where you're coming from.

For some reason the Academy seems to be more accepting of Christmas blockbusters (Lord of the Rings, Avatar, Titanic) than summer blockbusters. What was the last big summer film that they took seriously (as in more than just a token nomination like Inception)? Gladiator?

As far as this year, I feel that The Dark Knight Rises needs to be nominated just on resonance alone. As a part of a whole, and as a film on its own it is wholly deserving. This will be a film that will be remembered and talked about much longer than a Moonrise Kingdom, etc. This is a film that was part of a trilogy that was a game-changer for a genre. A trilogy that made a genre truly credible. Reward it. Make it TRULY credible and deem it legitimate.

I absolutely agree. It seems right now that TDKR is either 11 or 12, just outside the potential 10 nominations. I would hope the Academy takes into consideration the genre-defining success of the trilogy as a whole when deciding the final nominations.

My main gripe is that The Dark Knight was a film that changed popular culture and has REMAINED in the consciousness of popular culture AND cinema for the 4 years since its release.

No film nominated in 2008, certainly not the film that won (Slumdog Millionaire) can say the same. The Dark Knight was a transcendent film. It was a Michael Mann/Christopher McQuarrie crime-thriller meets a James Cameron tent-pole action film, meets a superhero film, meets a social commentary.

My main question with awards like this is usually, "Which of these great, worthy films of any given year will most fondly and vividly be remembered 10-15 years from now?"

I would say that in 2008 that film would be The Dark Knight. In 2009? Avatar. In 2010? Inception. In 2011? This was a strange year. I felt The Descendants and Moneyball were stronger films than The Artist, but I get it...

As far as this year, I feel that The Dark Knight Rises needs to be nominated just on resonance alone. As a part of a whole, and as a film on its own it is wholly deserving. This will be a film that will be remembered and talked about much longer than a Moonrise Kingdom, etc. This is a film that was part of a trilogy that was a game-changer for a genre. A trilogy that made a genre truly credible. Reward it. Make it TRULY credible and deem it legitimate.

My main gripe is that The Dark Knight was a film that changed popular culture and has REMAINED in the consciousness of popular culture AND cinema for the 4 years since its release.

No film nominated in 2008, certainly not the film that won (Slumdog Millionaire) can say the same. The Dark Knight was a transcendent film. It was a Michael Mann/Christopher McQuarrie crime-thriller meets a James Cameron tent-pole action film, meets a superhero film, meets a social commentary.

My main question with awards like this is usually, "Which of these great, worthy films of any given year will most fondly and vividly be remembered 10-15 years from now?"

I would say that in 2008 that film would be The Dark Knight. In 2009? Avatar. In 2010? Inception. In 2011? This was a strange year. I felt The Descendants and Moneyball were stronger films than The Artist, but I get it...

As far as this year, I feel that The Dark Knight Rises needs to be nominated just on resonance alone. As a part of a whole, and as a film on its own it is wholly deserving. This will be a film that will be remembered and talked about much longer than a Moonrise Kingdom, etc. This is a film that was part of a trilogy that was a game-changer for a genre. A trilogy that made a genre truly credible. Reward it. Make it TRULY credible and deem it legitimate.

It's unfortunate (and in my view, undeserving) but Skyfall is definitely going to get the "blockbuster" nomination. The Academy loves Mendes.

I really liked skyfall, but it could of been so much more. Raoul silva had limited screen time sadly, The Bond girl died midway into the movie [Eve does not count]. I was expecting more and I was disappointed.

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It's unfortunate (and in my view, undeserving) but Skyfall is definitely going to get the "blockbuster" nomination. The Academy loves Mendes.

This is also how I feel at the moment. It is kind of ironic too in that The Dark Knight was left out of the best picture category with The Reader the one many felt undeservedly took its place. The Reader starred another Academy favorite Kate Winslet, former wife of Sam Mendes.

Is there a particular reason Nolan usually gets snubbed for the Oscars? I've heard about a bunch of stuff involving politics or something like that.

TDKR got a lot of criticism in some parts of the British press for not being left wing enough. That seems stupid to me, but it is clear that the arts establishment are always unwilling to laud anything that is "off message".

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i think skyfall is a vastly superior film to rises. and i think rises is a great film. but it's simply too sloppy. skyfall is much sharper, particularly with the screenplay.

I completely agree- Skyfall is twice the film that TDKR was.

I am sorry that no Nolan Batmovie will get any recognition at the Oscars, but the fact is that it should have been TDK if any. Giving it to TDKR would be bizarre- it is a relatively weak follow up to TDK, and objectively a fairly run of the mill action movie.

I am sorry that no Nolan Batmovie will get any recognition at the Oscars, but the fact is that it should have been TDK if any. Giving it to TDKR would be bizarre- it is a relatively weak follow up to TDK, and objectively a fairly run of the mill action movie.

While I don't agree with the description for TDKR, I definitely agree that if any of Nolan's batmovies deserved to receive Oscar recognition, it was TDK. I'm still boggled that it didn't win anything other than Ledger getting the nod for best supporting actor. I'd argue that TDKR's soundtrack should receive a nomination at least, as I think that Zimmer's work on it for TDKR was the best in the trilogy.

Also, I need to see Skyfall.

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