about china & usa

Anyways, Peaceworld makes some good points.
I don't think he ment to be racist with his Indian Remark, so give him a break. China and the US i think both want good relations with each other.
And most of us may be twisted out of shape from the media as far as severity in conflict between one another. Taiwan has potential to be serious,
however when it comes down to it.....i think that the US will pressure Taiwan into keeping its cool. The US and China are smarter than to ruin
economic ties with each other over Taiwan. Its entirely possible, yet it will be entirely tragic if the two countries actually declar war on each
other.

Originally posted by Vanguard
The simple answer to your question is yes.

Okey if you want to listen to that little voice in your head telling you everyone is out to get you go ahead...

And thats the way i want it to stay - its what your ancestors fought for and what your securing for your children.

No my ancestors fought for my country to suirvive and their familes NOT to intimidate and hurt people.

Ill make it simple for you - its very much like a living in the wild/evolution - the weak never survive

Define me "weak"....
The dictionary term is
having little physical or spiritual strength
But I dont believe in this...I've seen a boy with little strength beat a man who could canoe a mile in 12 mins...

It really is that simple - everyone is out to get you - like in poker - you better have an eye on some elses stack because someone certainly
has an eye on yours. That mentality has been the driving force in our evolution.

For you second point let me just correct you slightly.
Your ancestors fought for your country to suirvive and their familes NOT to be intimidated and hurt by other people.

Weakness is as you have descibed - what did the boy beat him at? The man was maybe drunk and depressed?

Originally posted by Vanguard
It really is that simple - everyone is out to get you - like in poker - you better have an eye on some elses stack because someone certainly
has an eye on yours. That mentality has been the driving force in our evolution.

Its also the driveing force of your ahem great number of allies at the present moment...

For you second point let me just correct you slightly.
Your ancestors fought for your country to suirvive and their familes NOT to be intimidated and hurt by other people.

Yeah that doesnt involved bully other countries..

Weakness is as you have descibed - what did the boy beat him at?

Not fighting per say more a spar...

The man was maybe drunk and depressed?
[edit on 30-3-2005 by Vanguard]

Doubt he was drunk we had kit search 10 mins before it started and I doubt he was depressed...well atleast not before it...

Strength doesnt = winning nor does it = survival...

Take the blue whale...strongest animal on the planet...got whiped out by a bunch of whalers...

Regarding Taiwan. I've often wondered why the US bothered so much with it. Looking back at history though it appears the US has a history of getting
itself involved in conflicts between other countries and helping out the one that it might find useful (e.g. export good resources at low price,
support US actions, be pro-US in general). Whether or not the potential supporter is a good guy or bad guy is lower on their priority list. For
example, Saddam Hussein rose in power because at first the CIA liked him and helped him. The US also helped Iraq against Iran in the Iraq-Iran war
(but later switched sides).

Now, the Guo Ming Dang (GMD, aka Nationalist party) of China was once a very strong ally of the US, almost a puppet government. It was right wing just
like the US, and it was like their dog. The CCP on the other hand cared little about the US, the reason it was started in the first place was because
the country was messed up and the people decided to reunite the country and restore its former glory, and that has little to do with the US. After the
CCP defeated the GMD, the US was very upset because GMD was very useful to them. That's why, after fleeing to Taiwan, that the US continued to
support GMD. Recently though, some US politicians were beginning to think that CCP is more useful to them than the GMD, so there were times when the
US decided to support the CCP instead of the GMD (Clinton era (or what was it...)).

Originally posted by Taishyou
Regarding Taiwan. I've often wondered why the US bothered so much with it. Looking back at history though it appears the US has a history of getting
itself involved in conflicts between other countries and helping out the one that it might find useful (e.g. export good resources at low price,
support US actions, be pro-US in general). Whether or not the potential supporter is a good guy or bad guy is lower on their priority list. For
example, Saddam Hussein rose in power because at first the CIA liked him and helped him. The US also helped Iraq against Iran in the Iraq-Iran war
(but later switched sides).

Now, the Guo Ming Dang (GMD, aka Nationalist party) of China was once a very strong ally of the US, almost a puppet government. It was right wing just
like the US, and it was like their dog. The CCP on the other hand cared little about the US, the reason it was started in the first place was because
the country was messed up and the people decided to reunite the country and restore its former glory, and that has little to do with the US. After the
CCP defeated the GMD, the US was very upset because GMD was very useful to them. That's why, after fleeing to Taiwan, that the US continued to
support GMD. Recently though, some US politicians were beginning to think that CCP is more useful to them than the GMD, so there were times when the
US decided to support the CCP instead of the GMD (Clinton era (or what was it...)).

The U.S. bothers with it because to let China have Taiwan would give China forward projection power in the region, and the U.S. doesn't want China
being a naval challenge in the region.

The U.S. always tests out its future enemy or its future rival by inserting our self in their situation and seeing how they respond. In WWII we told
Japan to get out of china or we would put an embargo on their raw materials, and you saw how Japan responded, but you also know how it ended for them.

Vanguard is very correct about the matter that weakest will be eaten by biggest and its shown troughout history that most pass timeline superpowers
have fallen cause they started to lack on offense and became utopias for fraction of time and were eaten by others. Its always on history like that if
you stop your dead, at least if trying to keep highest status your never without rivalries and i think EU, US, Japan areas for example are lacking
alot already cause of good living conditions, easy way of life options, even if its fraction of population today.

Chinese earn their way up by doing same as western countrys did after WWII hard work, China isnt rising by easy way, currently they might earn less
than most westerns and it even might look ridicilous to think they ever get to same level, but to look work hours spent on work and the fact China
unemployment rate is minimal compared to its social expenses, long as you got job everything is fine and west is coming to this problem works start to
slowly go away and there goes lifestyle as well, sure theres always some survivors who who make best of it, but does that really effect majority of
people?

Its easy to say that China is taking US mantle, its easy math to say 1,3billion people vs 350million in the end lead larger economy of those
1,3billion. How will US, EU, Japan and many other economic areas react in future, will they all profession on highest possible education? China is
able to offer this as well by sending tutors and educating it own people, so i would say west must lower its wages in future or theres no possible to
compete vs Chinese companys, at least not on current scenario.

Also China has interesting laws that gives em big handicaps to keep investments in country, not to forget particular Chinese companys can legally copy
foreign designs and sell em as their own without law enforcing em to stop it, same cant go vice versa with foreign investing companys, so its really
hard to compete on markets like that, will China just in future absord all the investments and leave investors out?

So all your fears will become true and in future money invested in China will be on their own hands and by so make it stronger than even imagined to
overtake US position fair and square and control global markets long as its wages and expenses stay lower than others can offer with such
infrastucture that China has already to ensure growth.

Originally posted by Observer83
So all your fears will become true and in future money invested in China will be on their own hands and by so make it stronger than even imagined to
overtake US position fair and square and control global markets long as its wages and expenses stay lower than others can offer with such
infrastucture that China has already to ensure growth.

Actually, a lot of that money currently goes straight back into the U.S through bonds. The rationale being that if the U.S economy collapses, then
the World will collapse.

Originally posted by Observer83
So all your fears will become true and in future money invested in China will be on their own hands and by so make it stronger than even imagined to
overtake US position fair and square and control global markets long as its wages and expenses stay lower than others can offer with such
infrastucture that China has already to ensure growth.

Actually, a lot of that money currently goes straight back into the U.S through bonds. The rationale being that if the U.S economy collapses, then
the World will collapse.

US isnt only big player in global markets and not to forget the fact that most largest investors are global companys as well and they dont fear to
move their HQ's to gain more money for cost of decreasing jobs from US. And as US currency weakens while China might raise its plundering one, it
will make China stronger in terms of GDP and theres so big difference currently that it wont effect US in terms of gaining more exports to China while
Chinas currency would have lot of ground for growth. Currently EU area is good export for US as Euro is stronger compared to dollar and by so buys lot
of goods from US.

And dont expect world havent learned nothing about last depression at least i know country where i live national bank has buffers to encounter market
illness such as that. Also markets are growing all the time i doubt US will collapse in a rush or even at all, but its role as whole will decrease a
lot compared to it past decades. So world is becoming less and less depend on US. Generally my point was that basic job losses will grow, rich people
have only became richer in past decades in all around world.

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