Nabb1:BarkingUnicorn: "opting to recognize the International Day of Families instead"

I like this. One less disruption of my routine per year.

One day a year for Mom and one day a year for Dad just too much of a burden for you?

It was for the creator of mother's day who tried to get the day abandoned when it turned into another day designed to sell as much crap as possible by stores. Of course they all turned into that nowadays.

diaphoresis:Marquis de Sod: golem222: The real problem is the erosion of tradition to appease a small minority group. Look i know that if your parents are gay it might be uncomfortable for you to celebrate these days, after all its just one more reminder of the abnormality of your situation. Or if a parent passed away the day might be sad for you, however for the vast majority these situations do not apply.

THIS WHAT BIGOTS ACTUALLY BELIEVE

and you proved your bigotry as well...

/I love full circles

Yeah, well, you're a triple-bigot for pointing out how he's the bigot for pointing out the bigotry in in the first bigot.

As a pregnant woman with a wife, I get asked about Father's Day a surprising amount.

It's very simple -- if the kid makes a Father's Day card or something at school, they can give it to my dad, their grandpa. (Wife's dad is an emotionally abusive asshat she hasn't spoken to in fifteen years, so he's not in the picture.)

No need to make a big frickin' deal over it, it's the same kind of compromise that children with divorced or deceased parents have been doing for a long time.

Dragonblink:As a pregnant woman with a wife, I get asked about Father's Day a surprising amount.

It's very simple -- if the kid makes a Father's Day card or something at school, they can give it to my dad, their grandpa. (Wife's dad is an emotionally abusive asshat she hasn't spoken to in fifteen years, so he's not in the picture.)

No need to make a big frickin' deal over it, it's the same kind of compromise that children with divorced or deceased parents have been doing for a long time.

I don't feel like quoting all that stuff, but I think we are on the same page here. I think the underlying point is that we have a subset of issues out there where emotion and reason are conflated. Let's take racism as an example:

There are 2 notions

1. Racism is bad2. But, race is still a real thing that is a consequence of physical reality and human evolution

What I'm saying is that the above 2 positions are mutually exclusive. To say that x-ism is a bad thing does not automatically mean that x is not a thing. Just because something is bad, or unpleasant, does not mean we should pretend it does not exist. I am first and foremost a secular humanist, but feel that we sometimes delude ourselves into believing that certain problems and harsh realities do not exist.

Bathia_Mapes:Some kids may not have a mom or a dad. Father's Day was a painful time for my son back when he was in school.

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A we know that there should be no painful times for anyone growing up as it better prepares them for the real world in which nobody will have things that son will not as an adult.

I myself remember the kid down the street going to vaction with his granparnts twice a year and I could not because all my grandparents had passed away when i was very young. To this day the very term grandparent causes me much pain and I have to take personal day or two from work to recover.It iis better we put through the progressive idea that all children belng to the state and parents merely exist as money source to support the children..

Social engineering agendas like this exposes the vast superiority of government run education and I cannot see why anyone would reject it over private or home schooling.

I don't feel like quoting all that stuff, but I think we are on the same page here. I think the underlying point is that we have a subset of issues out there where emotion and reason are conflated. Let's take racism as an example:

There are 2 notions

1. Racism is bad2. But, race is still a real thing that is a consequence of physical reality and human evolution

What I'm saying is that the above 2 positions are mutually exclusive. To say that x-ism is a bad thing does not automatically mean that x is not a thing. Just because something is bad, or unpleasant, does not mean we should pretend it does not exist. I am first and foremost a secular humanist, but feel that we sometimes delude ourselves into believing that certain problems and harsh realities do not exist.

Okay, we are indeed on pretty much the same page. I'm just pointing out that domestic violence against men IS ignored. We have a term for "deadbeat dad," but no similar term for similar women. We quite rightly get mad at Chris Brown for beating up his girlfriend, but we ignore similar situations that happen to men and we ignore the statistics that prove it happens far more than we think.

Here's the other problem: if we acknowledge the inherent biological tendencies that you point out, it can cause a problem for feminists who feel these tendencies should be ignored with respect to employment and so on.

Nabb1:I never realized that this was such a controversial issue for some people. For Christ's sake it just a little day to do something extra for mom and dad.

It shouldn't be such a controversial issue. But in today's America, if I can't have it, no one can. If I lost my mother or my father or never had a relatoionship, no one should have the right to celebrate theirs, because feelings. Also, we should discontinue these holidays because of over-commercialization and the fact that they're just excuses for Hallmark to make money. If Hallmark sells eight dollar Mother's Day cards and Wal-Mart says twenty dollar boxes of chocolate that's the only way I can celebrate it and protesting this commercialization by getting completely rid of the holiday is the only way I can show everybody how cool and rebellious I am! Being an adult, wishing other people the best even if I don't have a reason to celebrate, or if I do, shunning the eight dollar card and making something for or just otherwise thanking my parents? Unthinkable!

hasty ambush:It iis better we put through the progressive idea that all children belong to the state...

Celebrating something called a Day of Families promotes the idea that children belong to the state?Mother's Day and Father's Day are fine opportunuties for families to stress the importance of good parentship. But why should they be part of elementary school culture? If that was the intention with the traditions, wouldn't the days have been placed during the schoolweek?

Social engineering agendas like this exposes the vast superiority of government run education and I cannot see why anyone would reject it over private or home schooling.

If removing Mother's Day from school is social engineering, couldn't the same be said about introducing it in schools in the first place? Do you really need government run institutions telling your children how to feel about their parents?

FTFComments section: <i>If everyone was gay there would be no celebrations at all. There would be no human beings. This is an infringement on my rights as a dad and grandfather. These people who drum up these stupid ideas must be teachers.</i>

What about kids who are missing parents? Why the hell are we putting them through that shiat every year? Where I grew up, I was one of maybe 3 kids in my grade level who lived with both parents, who were happily married (and to each other!). I always thought all the mother's day and father's day stuff we did at school was really poorly thought out, given that every time there'd be at least one crying child.

Ranger Rover:Nabb1: I never realized that this was such a controversial issue for some people. For Christ's sake it just a little day to do something extra for mom and dad.

It shouldn't be such a controversial issue. But in today's America, if I can't have it, no one can. If I lost my mother or my father or never had a relatoionship, no one should have the right to celebrate theirs, because feelings. Also, we should discontinue these holidays because of over-commercialization and the fact that they're just excuses for Hallmark to make money. If Hallmark sells eight dollar Mother's Day cards and Wal-Mart says twenty dollar boxes of chocolate that's the only way I can celebrate it and protesting this commercialization by getting completely rid of the holiday is the only way I can show everybody how cool and rebellious I am! Being an adult, wishing other people the best even if I don't have a reason to celebrate, or if I do, shunning the eight dollar card and making something for or just otherwise thanking my parents? Unthinkable!

TFA was about the internal decision of a Nova Scotia elementary school, but hey, you're on a roll.

Soymilk:E5bie: Cuchulane: Why is any of this silliness brought up in school in the first place? Stick to learning useful information in school.

Because every single day in elementary school must be a holiday, or celebration, or themed in some way.Heaven forbid we get through a week without a pile of colored paper shapes.

I used to be in a stepfamily support group, and there is an amazing amount of angst around MD and FD. There's your step-parent who feels slighted because they got no school-made present from the kids they'd been raising while the kid's deadbeat non-custodial parent got a present. There's your butthurt biomom who's offended that her kid made 2 presents, one for her and one for the kid's stepmom.

This About That:How about discontinuing these :"holidays" because they are bogus events made up by marketers to sell you more overpriced useless stuff?

Mother's Day was a genuine attempt at a holiday. It was hi-jacked by commercial interests. Father's Day was then added later in order to further capitalize. I elect to ignore both. Rather than pick a day to be nice to my parents, I try to be nice year-round.