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Brownlow Medallist

If Lyon was coaching in 2020, I expected 6th on the ladder or better or Lyon was gone ... regardless of injuries. Not even I would have been making excuses for his contract to be renewed.

In 2011, Freo had 9 wins. Lyon took the helm in 2012 and Freo ended finishing 7th with 14 wins. 6wins/5losses in the first half of the season as the players learnt the new game plan and 8wins/3 losses in the 2nd half of the season (plus 2 finals 1win & 1loss).

So, in 2020, if we have a reasonable run with injuries, I would expect something similar to Lyon's 2012.
If we have another bad run with injuries or luck, then at least still being in contention for a finals spot come round 23.

If injury is irrelevent as a reason for not getting into the finals - which is the hard line from the board resulting in the head coaches sacking 1 week before the seasons end... Why should any of these things matter? Or are you already "accepting mediocrity" and making excuses for the new coach

Premiership Player

If injury is irrelevent as a reason for not getting into the finals - which is the hard line from the board resulting in the head coaches sacking 1 week before the seasons end... Why should any of these things matter? Or are you already "accepting mediocrity" and making excuses for the new coach

Show me in my posting history where have I ever used the term accepting mediocrity. You're projecting, my friend.
If you really want to know people's predictions the thread is about three months premature. But of course you don't really want to know them at all.

Club Legend

If injury is irrelevent as a reason for not getting into the finals - which is the hard line from the board resulting in the head coaches sacking 1 week before the seasons end... Why should any of these things matter? Or are you already "accepting mediocrity" and making excuses for the new coach

Premium Gold

Show me in my posting history where have I ever used the term accepting mediocrity. You're projecting, my friend.
If you really want to know people's predictions the thread is about three months premature. But of course you don't really want to know them at all.

Sorry Square Peg, I was taking the piss out of Dale Alcock, I put in that wink thingo to try and show I wasn't being serious about your post (obvously poorly done, these emoticon thingos are a bit new fangled for me). Alcock has stated what is acceptable, no finals is not acceptable according to the board, and injuries are no excuse, so why should anything else be an excuse? It's been well bandied around in these parts that "excuses" (apparently no such things as legitimate reasons) are just accepting mediocrity.

Premiership Player

Sorry Square Peg, I was taking the piss out of Dale Alcock, I put in that wink thingo to try and show I wasn't being serious about your post (obvously poorly done, these emoticon thingos are a bit new fangled for me). Alcock has stated what is acceptable, no finals is not acceptable according to the board, and injuries are no excuse, so why should anything else be an excuse? It's been well bandied around in these parts that "excuses" (apparently no such things as legitimate reasons) are just accepting mediocrity.

All good
The thing is there's a possibility the club could admit they have failed the last one and be about to embark on another rebuild. This offseason will be fascinating. If we trade out Hill, Tucker and Langdon, trade in no one of note and go to the draft with a bunch of first and second round picks and a new rookie coach talking about a five year plan of course we aren't playing finals next year.
I'm not an apologist for the board stuff ups around Lyon's dismissal but I also think the dynamic has changed now. Maybe it will be that they try and bring in Kelly and put some hard-to-refuse deal in front of a young winger like gold coast did with Bowes and we are topping up to have a crack at finals again. But I reckon we could as likely try to be restarting again

What gets me is the Sack Lyon Brigade have been out in force in 2019 blaming Lyon constantly after our losses.
Lyon is now gone, so why aren't they on this thread talking up our chances in 2020?
I seriously thought that Freo were a lock for finals in 2020 with Lyon coaching and with some luck, 6th or better. That was simply based on the improvements in 2019 from 2018 and considering our shocking run of injuries and progress of our rebuild.

I'm now seeing what I was afraid of ... that is, far too many just wanted Lyon gone without actually having a good hard think of how much better/worse Fremantle were going to be without him in 2020.
It generally feels like they are now afraid that they got what they wanted.

All Australian

Finals plain and simple. We have the list, get the new coach in, train the boys under the new game plan and then come into 2020 firing. Undefeated would be the most ideal situation but 11 wins and finals would do

Club Legend

Hard to really say at this point. We have no coach, don't know how many players are leaving, and whether the strategy going forward will be to trade in experience or go hard at the draft.

We're currently losing Ed "what's DE" Langdon, and Bhilly, but hopefully Shilly and Giro can fill their running shoes.

But, the coach is the big IF for me. If it's a JLo, I'll give him some slack to learn the ropes as he goes about learning the top job. If it's Woosha or Scott, then they need to hit the ground running and little slack if any will be given to the board for poor results. If Suma's given the head job, well I won't be watching then anyway and good luck to you all for the future, I've enjoyed the back and forth, however agro it sometimes gets, it's been a blast.

Team Captain

premiership crazy i know but i like our spine and we rarely lost contested ball this year.
Stephen hill at his best is better than brad.
If we draft stephens, better disposal than langdon so im not worried about our wings

Our contest ball should become better due to improvement out of cerra, brayshaw and tucker which should result in walters getting more forward.
Sturt being the third bannana behing hogan and tabs results in him flourishing.
Add henry to the forward mix and suddenly you have a very potent forward half.

Club Legend

If injury is irrelevent as a reason for not getting into the finals - which is the hard line from the board resulting in the head coaches sacking 1 week before the seasons end... Why should any of these things matter? Or are you already "accepting mediocrity" and making excuses for the new coach