Tuesday, February 22, 2011

I wont bother ripping this to shreds, because the author doesn't care to hear from us (yet we're the closed-minded ones)...so, enjoy:

I am not Theist.

I have never seen a bigger bunch of Cop-outs and evangelists such as yourselves. You feed on the blood of the ignorant with your rediculous commentary and outdated science and philosophy. Why not just state that you people are MAterialist, or naturalist, perhaps even objectivists ect. I have listened to the numerous arguments you have with believers, and your rediclous attitude gets worse as the shows go on. You people DO NOT have open minds, nor do you get your science correct.

This show, more-so these two idiotic hosts can be likened as the Alex Jones of Atheism. But it is not Atheism you people subscribe to, its naturalism, or at least in my opinion. One moment you make remarks, which are only half theories about Quantum mechanics, and then have the gaul to tell a caller that everything is made of Atoms? From which ERA were you people born into? Or from which era are you getting your scientific explinations. On top of which, you interperate this information as poorly as the man who said there was a God because a banana fits in your hand!

I could not care less what your response is, because you will speak more bullshit to me than you have anyone else. Your method is distasteful, your ideals are shallow, your science is dated and your philosophy is mangled. You only appeal to more ignorant fellows who are atheist rather then theist. Like a damn buzzard picking the eyes out of a half dead human. You are both the kind of people who believe the conversion to Atheist is the release of Ignorance. You only consider anti-materialists to be ignorant.

I wish you both the Utmost shame. You can wave the magic in your response to me, if any, but the issue remains in the back of your mind, and I hope these words haunt you forever.

I am not a Theist, but you both make me sick to my stomach, like a news reader using authority to establish truth, rather than the exposition of truth. Like a child wanting to be a rock star, you want to be Richard Dawkins, the copout version beta's!

Enjoy your wasted time on Earth, preaching about humanity and REligion, when you have not even taken the time to study any of the scriptures. Your take on history is utterly bias, and I have yet to meet an educated fellow who takes this show seriously.

Kind Regards,Someone much smarter than to abide by this crap.

P.S. You should become street preachers, so we can finally regard you as completley insane. Perhaps I will drop a coin into your hat.

75 comments:

Soooo full of win. I just..want to meet this guy. Maybe he'll tell me all about how he isn't a conspiracy theorist, but the government really did do 9/11. Or how he isn't gay, but he is attracted to other men (not that there's anything wrong with that). Imean, how dare we assert that matter is comprised of smaller fundamental particles. that's just bigoted, close-minded naturalism.

some of my favorite rage letters are from atheists. Yesterday I was doing a search on "dawkins" and "pantheist" to refute an argument I was having and came across several of near carbon copies of this post.

They could be confused for a theist letter, if not for the use of paragraphs, lack of caps, and decent grammar, punctuation and spelling.

Too bad that this obviously superior intellect couldn't take the time to throw us a bone. Maybe point out some of the egregious errors. Certainly we know he/she isn't a theist, although he/she never actually tells us what they believe, just that we are all unequivocally wrong.

Basically what I see here is someone going to way too much trouble to hurl baseless insults. Whatever, go away troll!

Somehow I get the impression that he wasn't being entirely honest about "not being a theist." lol But I wouldn't be surprised if this was a troll.

I would have liked to hear what his particular beliefs happened to be, seeing that he claimed to not be a theist, but clearly seems opposed to atheism/materialism? If I were to send a reply, it would be simple...."What are your beliefs then? And why do you believe them?"

Man, I feel so terrible now. How could I not have known how horribly wrong I was about... ... whatever that guy says is so wrong. I need to open my eyes and re-read scriptures because my poor intellect obviously failed to interpret it correctly.

Thank you Mr. I am not Theist/someone much smarter than to abide by this crap.

Your insightful dissertation on whatever it was you were talking about was incredibly moving. I already feel haunted by it.

As an aside. It must be my woefully inadequate intellect, but would you do us the kindness, oh great one, of sharing that which we need to understand?

I have a YouTube channel where I discuss atheism. I see this sort of thing all the time. At least once a week I get a message or video comment that goes like this: "I'm not a theist, but you have to admit that the universe is too fine tuned for life to have happened by chance." Or "...but you have to admit that something can't come from nothing." Or "...but you have to admit that life can not be the result of random chance." I would think that maybe these people are atheists that are starting to move toward theism of some sort, but they use every logical fallacy and baseless assertion that people well versed in theistic apology use, so I have to conclude that they are "atheists" in the sense that Kirk Cameron used to be an "atheist."

"I'm not a racist, but..." Stupid modifiers like this show that, despite knowing your position is not something to be taken seriously (nor particularly proud of), you're going to go ahead and take it anyway. Cause that's just how you roll.

Written like a true intellectual. Yes I guess atoms can be broken down into up quarks, down quarks and electrons. Unless discussing nuclear or particle physics these subdivisions are largely irrelevant. Atoms still exist and matter is made of them - ask any chemist.

Being a materialistic naturalist is now as bad as being and atheist. I sense some of the "New Age" mentality where the material world is not all there is. I was waiting for comments about undefined "vibrations" and "energy". This e-mailer might be more scientific than that but there is a whiff of woo here. You don't get this level of arrogance without some kind of thinking defect.

This is probably one of those people who say they're Christian but they hate religion.

"I am not a theist"... but I follow holy scripture and believe in the biblical God." *facepalm*

I wouldn't doubt that this guy has no clue regarding the definitions of atheism or theism and I bet that if he or she would ever explain his position he'd eventually revert to a: "But you can't disprove a God! Nuh-uh!"

Or it's a Deist who has a good feeling whenever he thinks of a God and therefore knows a God exists.

He left off:"You are EDUCATED STUPID! YOu know nothing of the ultimate truth of the Four Corner SIMULTANEOUS Earth Days! YOU EVIL ONES DESERVE HOL - O - CAUST.You Cowards will not debate me. The Wisest Human"

Whether theist or not the guy obviously has problems with naturalism, which pretty much makes him a supernaturalist. His true beef obviously lies there somewhere although he never really enlightens us as to what it is.

Which leads me to my second point. Did I miss something or did he not actually make any attempt to give us any specific examples of things hosts have done that he doesn't like? Aside from something about atoms and quantum mechanics (which I couldn't make any sense of) his email is all unsubstantiated vitriol.

Honestly, I think "fluent" is a bit much for the English data we have.

Nothing in that email came across other than "you guys are dumb and wrong about things I won't get into!". Doesn't this person have people to argue with in a language she actually has a chance of expressing herself coherently? From the context, I don't think she understands the meaning of "Atheist", "Theist", or maybe even "atoms".

I have to applaud his great arguments. He's totally right when he says TAE is using outdated science and philosophy such as ... and they're interpreting information as bad as Ray Comfort because ... also they use a distasteful method (the scientific method just makes me sick! And it's totally scientifically outdated!).Just like Richard Dawkins who is an elderly open atheist putting forward a clear argument, the hosts of TAE dare to not get younger and speak out for atheists too. The nerve of those copycat cop-outs! I am so disappointed (because I too am not a theist) that they waste their life clearly not having read any scripture.

And how 'bout this: how 'bout I come down there and punch your fat heads in for ...I'm not a Theist and I'm gonna punch you!

Seriously, how hard can it be to use your computer's spell-checking capabilities. Them squiggly red lines under half of the word barf you just clumsily typed with your two index fingers? Yeah, those are most likely spelling errors. Correct them.

We live in the year 2011. That's 1 year past The Year We Make Contact. The future is here. We have the technology. Use it. It won't take away from your righteous theist anger.

Hi, im a new fan from Brazil!I want to congratulate your program, and say that: Brazil is also a "Catholic country"(major), and the church influences the media, governament, people, families, etc.. But at least here the stuff are still made of atoms!LolLol

Yet you daywalkers show up on camera, handle crosses without affect, consume Threadgill's garlic cheese grits and Eucharists with Cheez Whiz, and come into our homes uninvited every Sunday afternoon... how did they figure it out?

Yet you daywalkers show up on camera, handle crosses without affect, consume Threadgill's garlic cheese grits and Eucharists with Cheez Whiz, and come into our homes uninvited every Sunday afternoon... how did they figure it out?

Next thing you know they'll have figured out our evil plan to get everyone to use spell-check on their computers.

I'm confused. He says, "I am not a Theist," but then he goes on to complain that "... you have not even taken the time to study any of the scriptures." Sounds suspiciously like something a theist might say (and it isn't even true of most of the people on the show, especially Matt)

"Your take on history is utterly bias, and I have yet to meet an educated fellow who takes this show seriously."

Including yourself, judging by the numerous spelling and grammar errors. Seriously...how to people spell things wrong online? Everything seems to have a spellchecker at this point. Otherwise, a bunch of gibberish without any justification. If you're going to say someone makes up stuff or uses bad methodologies, you should take the time explain how to correct this, unless you don't care and just want to rant mindlessly.

I think this person is an intellectual coward, and not much more than that, apparently. Worse still, I'd have to say they're not even particularly good at being that.

For one to employ the "hit and run" type of argument (in other words, no real discourse at all - the "I don't care if or how you respond, I won't be replying, therefore you cannot possibly win in an argument that doesn't actually take place" type of attitude), I would suggest it is an admission that the person truly feels that either the substance of what they have to offer in any such respectable conversation, or their ability to adequately support their entrenched position, is pitiful at best. They've simply made it worse by allowing their "distaste" for those with any opposing position to be expressed as, frankly, little more than pathetic insults. Either way, they do not bring anything worthwhile to the conversation. And for that reason, I have nothing but pity for this person.

"I have always strenuously supported the right of every man to his own opinion, however different that opinion might be to mine. He who denies to another this right, makes a slave of himself to his present opinion, because he precludes himself the right of changing it." — Thomas Paine (The Age of Reason)

Since the only thing even remotely resembling a logical argument in this letter seems to be the claim that their scientific knowledge is weak because they stated that everything is made out of atoms.

No context, no explanation of WHY this is wrong. The thing is, it's not all that wrong. Yes, there are many sub-atomic particles, but for the most part, all the matter your average layperson is going to understand is made up of atoms (which are made up of protons and neutrons, and electrons, etc...).

Also, the fact he writes "you both" several times gives me the impression was he watched a 2 minute clip on YouTube, and blew a gasket.

"For one to employ the "hit and run" type of argument (in other words, no real discourse at all - the "I don't care if or how you respond, I won't be replying, therefore you cannot possibly win in an argument that doesn't actually take place" type of attitude)."

I think this statement hits the nail on the head. I've run into a lot of people who employ this type of logic; especially when it comes to their personal god. More often than not people I find aren't willing to debate why they believe in their god and faith is sometimes the default wild card they throw down before ending conversation.

@Lukas. I believe what we are seeing is an evolution playing out between atheism and Christianity. If Christian's can win an argument through logic or emotional appeal than they will just refuse to debate it. I've had a few people say, 'my god is personaly and I refuse to debate it.'

I think you should bring that verse up if you run into these people that I have.

What a tool! This is exactly the type of person that would not call in. He/she would prefer to throw out nebulous comments that stroke their ego and self inflated intellect. The best insight into this person’s perspective is “I’m not a Theist, but...” How many times have we heard that one! That ranks up there with “I’m not homophobic, but…” I’m not a racist, but…” I’m not a sexist, but…” We know the probabilities and they are not stacked in support of their assertion.

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