(but you could have been a little more truthful in your thread title: "Blowing my nose on the Hanging Rock" )

Nonetheless got a couple of requests for licensing. One from Dublin, another from LA. Offered $200 for signing the contract +60% of the profit. Albeit after signing the contract I would only have the video for private use. And they can do any editing they wish. So I did not sign.

Offered $200 for signing the contract +60% of the profit. Albeit after signing the contract I would only have the video for private use. And they can do any editing they wish. So I did not sign.

I agree, $200 isn't worth signing away your rights to good vacation memories.
But "60% of profits"----that could conceivably turn into big money. Probably not, but you never know. If somebody cuts a 30-second clip from your video and imbeds it in something that goes big, say, with a hundred thousand downloads a $1 apiece ......

I agree, $200 isn't worth signing away your rights to good vacation memories.
But "60% of profits"----that could conceivably turn into big money. Probably not, but you never know. If somebody cuts a 30-second clip from your video and imbeds it in something that goes big, say, with a hundred thousand downloads a $1 apiece ......

Not likely to happen, of course, but......

The contract also include the statement that they can add anything they like.

Once I did work for a company and invented some nice thing. After some time I have seen a report to certain industry association. It contained my invention, but was attributed to completely different people. It did not violate my contract with the company since it contained "moral rights" waiver.

So I wonder: may be they are for something like that: make a film that someone else did that. This way they could earn tens of thousands. Since this is where money are, this is what people could pay for.

In the interest of not having people lugging tripods out there, tripping and falling over the edge? Or groups big enough to crowd someone over the edge?

There will be no crowds there even without a no entry sign since there is a far more powerful force which will stop the vast majority of people.

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Or wear away at/dislodge the rock?

That rock? I just imagined you setting up a top rope anchor: What if? What if? What if?

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I just thought people were more religious about observing posted rules.

People of your persuasion usually want people to become less religious. But here you become zealous for the strict observance of the commandment "Thou shalt not sit on the edge of a 3000-feet cliff." What religion is that?

John Muir was an asshole. Sierra Club's unspoken Moto: Protect from You, for Us.

The signs are there in the interest of the people who's lives you endanger when they need to go and recover your splattered corpse off the side of the cliff when you fall. Under-paid park rangers. The signs are in the interest of those who would enjoy the view from a reasonable distance, instead of it being sealed off from a mile away due to asspipes abusing the priveledge and ruining it for everyone else.

You paid the entrance fee (presumably), follow the fucking rules!

But that's the nice thing about being self-centered. You don't need to be concerned with anyone else's well-being. Its all you! Go, Girl!

The reality is for every asshole who wanders off trail, feeds the bears, wades into rivers above falls, ventures out unprepared into the wilderness, there are many other people who put themselves at serious risk to save their ass when they deserve a hearty, "Fuck them! Let them DIE!". That's not how society rolls, however.

John Muir was an asshole. Sierra Club's unspoken Moto: Protect from You, for Us.

But there is no need to protect the Hanging Rock from you, right? You will not be able to get even close on your unsteady legs.

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The signs are there in the interest of the people who's lives you endanger when they need to go and recover your splattered corpse off the side of the cliff when you fall.

Thank you for good wishes. However, if I fall from the Hanging rock - it will be all the way to the valley floor. So no risk to recover the corpse.

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Under-paid park rangers.

This job is done by recovery and rescue team, which is not on a regular payroll. They are only paid when they do recovery or rescue. So this would be an opportunity for them to get some money.

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The signs are in the interest of those who would enjoy the view from a reasonable distance, instead of it being sealed off from a mile away due to asspipes abusing the priveledge and ruining it for everyone else.

The reality is for every asshole who wanders off trail, feeds the bears, wades into rivers above falls, ventures out unprepared into the wilderness, there are many other people who put themselves at serious risk to save their ass when they deserve a hearty, "Fuck them! Let them DIE!". That's not how society rolls, however.

I could not agree more with this statement. People operate in some bizarre Disney-kiddie movie-alternate universe mentality where every dense wood is in reality a cleansed safe purified area to be gazed upon, enjoyed and passed through on a single well-defined path with no risks at all until the next completely safe area is reached.

And, when some nitwit goes missing or goes off a steep incline and is immobilized or is attacked by an animal, the finger-pointing begins. It is a result of The Me Decade, where the world owes Me everything and I bear no responsibility for my own actions and decisions on any level.

Fucking morons. Rescue personnel and emergency responders and their families do not garner great comfort from losing a loved one who went out into danger for no reason other than the ignorance and hubris of an ill-prepared person. They don't sit around for the rest of their lives thinking, " Gosh, Mom was a real hero " The truth here is that those family members sit around thinking, " Fucking idiot cost my Mom her life. "

You want to venture off into danger? Go for it. Free Will and whatnots. Don't expect the world to risk themselves because you are irresponsible.

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This job is done by recovery and rescue team, which is not on a regular payroll. They are only paid when they do recovery or rescue. So this would be an opportunity for them to get some money.

Ahhh, ignorance pranced about for all to see. Let me explain this to you in very coarse terms.

There is nobody, anywhere on this planet, who goes into Emergency Services as a career or as a volunteer, to make a dime. The pay, even for Paramedics and Flight Nurses, is atrocious. You see Search and Rescue as a mercenary pursuit? Going out into the wild to do S&R work is not " an opportunity for them to get some money".

Holy crap.

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I have no patience with people who decide that signs don't apply to them. It's why many of the National Parks suffer annual irreparable damage. In nearly all of the parks and monuments I've visited (and it's significant), I've seen morons putting themselves and others at risk to get that special photo angle, meanwhile trampling local vegetation, causing further erosion, or actually damaging delicate structures (like the glory holes in Yellowstone, where fucking idiots throw coins).

I once saw some asshat out on a crumbling promontory in The Badlands. He picked up his girlfriend and began swinging her toward the edge, pretending he was going to throw her off. The material under his feet was unstable and it was only because somebody grabbed him to make him stop that there wasn't a serious or fatal accident.

I saw someone else at one of the many parks in the Southwest, who stepped over a railing in an area that was experiencing gusting winds, who then encouraged his girlfriend to walk out to the edge of the precipice so that he could take a photo. I had to turn away from that one.

This is not the Pit, so let's dial back some of the outrage.
By all means, feel outraged if you want...but then you may be better off taking it to the Pit. This forum is not the place to make vitriol-filled sentences in, so let's ease up on the tone of some of the comments.

I have no patience with people who decide that signs don't apply to them. It's why many of the National Parks suffer annual irreparable damage. In nearly all of the parks and monuments I've visited (and it's significant), I've seen morons putting themselves and others at risk to get that special photo angle, meanwhile trampling local vegetation, causing further erosion, or actually damaging delicate structures (like the glory holes in Yellowstone, where fucking idiots throw coins).

I have no patience with people who decide that signs don't apply to them. It's why many of the National Parks suffer annual irreparable damage. In nearly all of the parks and monuments I've visited (and it's significant), I've seen morons putting themselves and others at risk to get that special photo angle, meanwhile trampling local vegetation, causing further erosion, or actually damaging delicate structures (like the glory holes in Yellowstone, where fucking idiots throw coins).

If you watch the video you can clearly see that it was all solid rock. Not a single plant was trampled upon. No erosion caused. So what was hurt after all? Your sense of net worth?

(spoiler: the sign is at the top of a waterfall, and says very bluntly:"if you slip, you will die".)

This is because water polishes its bed. So when the water is relatively low you will have to step on the rock which is underwater for part of a year and is, therefore, polished. People do not understand this. And they do not have that paralyzing fear of water as they have of heights.

Situation is entirely different with the hanging rock. No explanation is needed. The vast majority of people will not come anywhere close even without any forbidding signs.

This is going to end with two park rangers having their coffee and saying "Some fucking dumbass hopped the fence, slipped and died. Now we've got to get a team together to do an Easter Egg Hunt to find his parts and clean up the mess."

This is going to end with two park rangers having their coffee and saying "Some fucking dumbass hopped the fence, slipped and died. Now we've got to get a team together to do an Easter Egg Hunt to find his parts and clean up the mess."

So vengeful you are. What did the video do to you that you desire the death of its author?

Yeah, your last thread was read-only for me, but I echo Shakes. Are you going to start a new thread every time you break the law like this? Is part of why you do this the thrill of posting the video later and dealing with the outraged responses?

ETA: Not "breaking the law," then, but obviously not what park services would have you do. Why?

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