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Waterfall is special in Gen III so QuakeEdge doesn't seem too bad an option. You could use QuakeTurn (Earthquake + Return) or EQ and Body Slam. For the filler you could run Amnesia thus giving you the ability to boost both of Wailord's poor defences.

But won't Swampert be better?

Swampert@Lefties
Quiet
-Surf
-Curse
-EQ
-Ice Beam/Rest

A slight variation on the set I use (quite successfully) but instead of Curse I have Mirror Coat and Ice Beam over rest.

Before this set gets trolled for not having Dragon Dance and ideal moves, let me explain what this Dragonite does. Thunder is to scare the living hell out of Skamory, 2HK0 Milotic if you are faster than it, seeing it is a Quiet nature and Milotic's Ice Beam 2HKO's it too, and Thunder really makes DD Gayrados rage terribly. It also takes advantage if a ThunderDancer switches in. Brick Break is to dominate Tyrantatar, Snorlax, Hondoom, Umbreom, Aggron, Reflecting Magneton's and other pokemon that are weak to Brick Break. Heal Bell is there to Heal the team from status. This is also the perfect set to get rid of Blissey. Protecting itself from Blissey's Thunder Waves with Heal Bell, and destroying it with Brick Break. It also counters the SkarBliss Combo pretty well. Ice Beam is there to troll Claydol, Salamence, and Flygon. This set is pretty much only used to destroy the biggest threats in the game, with the exception of Gengar and Heracross, but Dragonite can just Thunder Gengar, and maybe destroy Heracross with Ice Beam.

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Originally Posted by A Genius

Why Combsuken looks like a penis. It doesn't help that he is a chicken and male chickens are called....well you know lol

Why you don't go with SubPunch Hariyama? While Rest recover your HP and protect you from Status moves, Substitute protect you from Hax and Status moves. As i said in my thread, it's hard to break Substitute from Hariyama, in LV100 He creates Substitutes of 107 HP, any Neutral Move won't broke Sub, and Sub also allows you to go with Thick Fat and Bulk Up. Guts+Bulk Up doens't match, Guts need to be statused to activate and raises your Atk by 50%. Bulk Up raises Def and Atk by 50%, it doens't need to be statused, and you use behind a substitute

Why you don't go with SubPunch Hariyama? While Rest recover your HP and protect you from Status moves, Substitute protect you from Hax and Status moves. As i said in my thread, it's hard to break Substitute from Hariyama, in LV100 He creates Substitutes of 107 HP, any Neutral Move won't broke Sub, and Sub also allows you to go with Thick Fat and Bulk Up. Guts+Bulk Up doens't match, Guts need to be statused to activate and raises your Atk by 50%. Bulk Up raises Def and Atk by 50%, it doens't need to be statused, and you use behind a substitute

He's using this set so he can Bulk Up, Rest when he is low, and hit hard with Rock Slide and Brick Break. SubPunching, even on a pokemon with high HP such as this, is hard to set up sometimes, considering there are are some pokemon that will just run your health down with Substitute.

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Originally Posted by A Genius

Why Combsuken looks like a penis. It doesn't help that he is a chicken and male chickens are called....well you know lol

^
Are you sure about that? The poke takes 2/3 turns To Woke Up, and you can't do a single a thing in that time, how much effective Rest gonna be?
If he foughts a Swellow for example, you can't set up nor use Rest. Swellow, or anything with High Attack would screw up the Strategy. A Substitute makes sure you get a Bulk Up, Leftovers in LV50 recover 20 HP Per Turn...
Thats Strategy is the few ones that Hariyama can handle in this gen. Also, Substitute takes 25% of your Health, and Leftover recover 10% of your Health. A Simple And A Amazing Combo For Any Set Up Sweeper

^
Are you sure about that? The poke takes 2/3 turns To Woke Up, and you can't do a single a thing in that time, how much effective Rest gonna be?
If he foughts a Swellow for example, you can't set up nor use Rest. Swellow, or anything with High Attack would screw up the Strategy. A Substitute makes sure you get a Bulk Up, Leftovers in LV50 recover 20 HP Per Turn...
Thats Strategy is the few ones that Hariyama can handle in this gen. Also, Substitute takes 25% of your Health, and Leftover recover 10% of your Health. A Simple And A Amazing Combo For Any Set Up Sweeper

Sigh. Rest takes 2 turns. Also, this brings me back to when I said "Use Sleep Talk with Guts!" because it is really effective. If this Fighting type went against Swellow, it's screwed, with or without Substitute. Trust me. Sub + Bulk Up can be effective, and so can Guts + Sleep Talk. It's really how you use it (and if you use it..).
Substitute is not an amazing move, even using SubPunch with Leftovers, because usually what happens is that your opponent runs your HP down as you are Spamming Substitute because they keep on breaking it. It's nothing to brag about, and at that, Cross Chop is a better option over it if you are looking for power, but I would go for Brick Break for the sure hit.

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Originally Posted by A Genius

Why Combsuken looks like a penis. It doesn't help that he is a chicken and male chickens are called....well you know lol

Before this set gets trolled for not having Dragon Dance and ideal moves, let me explain what this Dragonite does. Thunder is to scare the living hell out of Skamory, 2HK0 Milotic if you are faster than it, seeing it is a Quiet nature and Milotic's Ice Beam 2HKO's it too, and Thunder really makes DD Gayrados rage terribly. It also takes advantage if a ThunderDancer switches in. Brick Break is to dominate Tyrantatar, Snorlax, Hondoom, Umbreom, Aggron, Reflecting Magneton's and other pokemon that are weak to Brick Break. Heal Bell is there to Heal the team from status. This is also the perfect set to get rid of Blissey. Protecting itself from Blissey's Thunder Waves with Heal Bell, and destroying it with Brick Break. It also counters the SkarBliss Combo pretty well. Ice Beam is there to troll Claydol, Salamence, and Flygon. This set is pretty much only used to destroy the biggest threats in the game, with the exception of Gengar and Heracross, but Dragonite can just Thunder Gengar, and maybe destroy Heracross with Ice Beam.

More of a mixed wall set, designed to cripple any physical attacker not immune to WoW, and ruin things like BP. Somewhat standard, just different EVs, allowing it to take on things like Milotic better.

-Ensure's you'll be outspeeding Milotic
-At +2ish, maybe even +1, Blissey will fall to Brick Break
-Allows you to lure in things like Skarmory, assuming its regular DD

Yeah, I was going to use Heal Bell to Restore itself and its teamates, seeing Brick Break with 2HK0 Blissey (Yes.) and in Blissey's 2 Moves, it will probably use Thunder Wave, so I thought Heal Bell.. Funny, apparently Milotic is faster than Dragonite.. great.. so even though Thunder will 2HKO it, Milotic's Ice Beam (when it hits the second time) will kill it... ergh. Yeah.. I'm going to change Heal Bell with Dragon Dance so I can out-speed pokemon, and at that, power up Brick Break...
Well, Thanks Since Heal Bell was only supposed to heal Will-O-Wisp, Toxics, and Paralysis, should I give Dragonite Lum Berry over Leftovers?

Sigh. I should have said that I used that Hariyama with a Heal Bell Miltank in Colosseum so Rest wouldn't be an issue.

And for the record. I am a girl.

So you are using Rest? Wooh. And your a girl? Wow, I know nothing...

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Originally Posted by A Genius

Why Combsuken looks like a penis. It doesn't help that he is a chicken and male chickens are called....well you know lol

Sigh. I should have said that I used that Hariyama with a Heal Bell Miltank in Colosseum so Rest wouldn't be an issue.

And for the record. I am a girl.

You should have Explained why you play Pokemon Colosseum in 2012 xD
I rarely see anyone playing this game, irc!
@WillsPokemon
-Can you send the link of the guy who suggested Sleeptalk combo for Hariyama. I'll give 'ya kiss if we stop fighting and send me the link ^^

You should have Explained why you play Pokemon Colosseum in 2012 xD
I rarely see anyone playing this game, irc!
@WillsPokemon
-Can you send the link of the guy who suggested Sleeptalk combo for Hariyama. I'll give 'ya kiss if we stop fighting and send me the link ^^

Any good trainer who wants to take advantage of Guts? Smogon, so to say.

The set is pretty cool, but honestly have no clue if it is going to work. First thing I do is us Leech Seed to drain my opponent. Then Rain Dance. Now I have 3 recoveries. Wooh. Dive is to make it a major annoyer, making it impossible to really even 0HKO, and then bam, hitting with Dive the second turn. Seismic Toss is just there for coverage, and because any other move it learns is basically decreased by Rain Dance.

Also, Dragonite just got changed to SubPunch set with Leftovers.

Last edited by KingWiggins; 26th April 2012 at 12:22 AM.

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Originally Posted by A Genius

Why Combsuken looks like a penis. It doesn't help that he is a chicken and male chickens are called....well you know lol

here's how the strategy works : I switch in to blissey on a special attacker, then I start of minimizing until my evasion is maxed , then I proceed to calm minding to max sp.att and sp.df , then I proceed to attack maybe sweep with a special move ( ice beam is a possibility ) and I heal off major damage with softboiled , and let the lefties do the minor damage healing.

remember that MOVES arent phisycal or special in gen 3 , TYPES are sorted into physical and special. THNX alot in advance (:

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