Re: The Real Housewives of New Jersey

I agree, Tre is taking a beating, and I personally can’t see what’s she’s done that’s SO BAD to deserve it… I think it’s unfair and unwarranted, the degree and depth that these people are stooping to to attack her. Sure Tre creates messes all by herself, and doesn’t help her cause. But, she clearly isn’t capable of properly defending herself, and therefore really is disadvantaged in that area. With all the dirt I KNOW about Mel and posse, I could bury them, and I probably don’t know a % of what Tre knows. The difference is I do know how to defend myself, and can wage war pretty well, if need be. Tre just doesn’t have the knowledge or the skills to pull that off. All the while the mudslingers have closet’s full and are relatively safe. Nothing they do wrong ever gets the “traction” or the negative attention that Tre’s mistakes get.

Like when Celeb RH Blogger Jay Mohr outted Mel… If I was Tre, I would have had his statement of the evil Mel was plotting FRONT AND CENTER on everything I could, webpage, twitter, fb, etc. Mel claims that she never mentions Tre, has never tried to hurt her or her family, never messes with their $ etc. That’s just another HUGE lie as we have yet another person outing Mel. Jay called Mel “sad”….. that was being kind.

If I were in Tre’s shoes, Everyone would hear all about Mel and Gorilla’s money problems, and OPEN marriage issues, with girls still coming out the woodwork claiming they have slept with “little man”…. (and describing his body parts rather accurately) and this has gone on for a long time, and still does! They’d hear about Mel’s sex life too, wife swapping anyone? I can hear Joe Gorilla now “who wants to see my wife get bonked while I watch”? Her past is rather tame, even with the gold digging stripper history, compared to some of the stuff they do now, puff, snort, cough.

And all the lies and grand stories about how Joe surprised her with house plans, built her the house of her dreams….. lies, lies and lies. Just like the construction loan, the one you signed that stated house was under construction and not “habitable” or “occupied” in order to not have to pay interest, or get a real Mortgage loan and start paying interest, yet you lived there, committing fraud! The only thing Mel didn’t lie about was telling everyone that she knew Joe was the ONE when she saw the huge house he owned in Franklin Lakes, right after meeting him. And Joe Gorilla, what about all the employees that you still owe, can’t pay timely, and jerk around? Not to mention the 30+ suits/judgments & Liens against you for non-payment of contractors! There is a LONG line of people they owe, many that haven’t even pursued them through the legal system… yet, or I should say they haven’t pursued “Gorga Enterprises” yet. Yet Mel claims “we pay our bills”, uh, NO, you don’t. You didn’t even pay your $50k party bill for your “Baby Jesus’s Birthday” party you had!! And putting assets in the kids names to avoid assets being taken to pay the people you owe…..pathetic! Maybe that’s where Richie W. got his idea to not pay his Exxon gas bill, and got sued for it…. Monkey see, monkey do.

And the “copying” Tre keeps referring to, it’s all true, but oh so insignificant compared to Mel’s campaign against Tre, but that’s another paragraph of examples that I won’t get into right now. Mel’s also jealous that Tre & Gorilla’s parents chose to live with Teresa! And the parents can’t stand Mel. Again, another novel I could write on that issue. Mel claims that her r/s with Tre was “worse” before she got on the show, more lies to try and convince the parents that coming on the show was the right thing. Funny, but it’s one of the reasons they have disowned Gorilla! When you intentionally try to take people down Mel, just so you can reach “higher”, well that’s disgusting!

I’d have a whole list of all Caroline’s siblings who don’t speak to her…..it’s not just Dina, is it Joseph (another Joe)? He could tell you stories about Caroline that would really get some attention, no wonder he didn't want her at his son's funeral. And what about Bernie Kerik, Caroline? Guess that affair ended when he went to jail, or did it??? And then the famous tweets about another Bernie, Bernie Madoff, where Carolyn called him a “swindler” when her own brothers, Joe and Chris Laurita are NO better. Hypocrite. “Thick as Thieves” Caroline says……well she got the Thieves part right! And Big Al, removed from his township position there for using fake information, another hypocrite. Taking money from taxpayers from the water commissioner position, knowing you didn’t qualify…

Then there’s Jac. With all your money problems, and history, you are lucky that you haven’t been fully exposed for the Fraud you are. $7-8M $ lawsuit against your hubby, Filing Business Bankruptcy…. In which the Trustee assigned is convinced there is FRAUD there, and has their own investigating going. Seems like robbing that company and enjoying your plunder might catch up with you. And all your denials that you had no knowledge, well, all those deposits into your joint banking accounts tell another story.

With all those money problems Jac, why aren’t you “hustling” like Tre is, trying to help out the family? Heck no, you’d rather be home twittering. Instead, Why don’t you shut up and tend to your child….JacA$$? And stop spending your time trashing Tre, you might make a decent ___ one day, if your priorities ever get straight. Oh yes, we are supposed to go easy on you, since you have a child with Autism….. Sad, but you were told many times after the miscarriages that something was wrong, and they couldn’t guarantee you a healthy child if you continued to pursue that. So Sad that you are that selfish!! **ADMITTED, that’s a low blow there, I own that! But, it’s been around town for a long time- straight from the horse’s mouth- that she pursued it despite the warnings, and all because of her personal marital insecurity. She’s told many "friends" things like: “ It’s easier for Chris to walk away from a Wife than a Wife and child”, and “ alimony ends, whereas child support goes on and on”. Oh wait, blackmail via child can be considered “hustling”…… good job Jac.

Speaking of pregnancies, you might not be married now Jac, if you weren’t PREGNANT back then, right? That’s why you got engaged and had a quickie wedding. And calling others (Joe Gui) out for cheating, wasn’t that the foundation of your r/s with Chris Laurita? You knew he was engaged to Jen, and still screwed around with him, and “dated” him nonetheless behind her back for quite a while (No wonder Dina never cared for you). If you want to call all those quick trips to Vegas where you hooked up in motels “dating” Then he returned to his g/f /fiancée in NJ, and you kept sleeping around with many others too, wow what a love story! And what about all the people that really know your past? Working conventions….sounds better than “paid escort”? And what about working at the “Glitter Gulch”, remember those days? Your Ex Matt Holmes sure does, and a few dozen other folks. And once Bonnie Grippe's mind is gone, she will probably out you too, on twitter no less, since you can barely control her now.

Anyway, I could go on and on and on, but you get the picture. These idiots pick on Tre because she’s an easy target AND it takes the focus off their crappy lives. I think they are vile, despicable, winches! Tre is better than that, no matter what you think, and I don’t care if I’m the only one who thinks that. At least I have the benefit of an “educated” opinion, if you can call knowing all this filth that.

Re: The Real Housewives of New Jersey

General thoughts/observations:

MEL - Didn't say too much this go-round, but to all reports, her day IS coming. She got some good licks in ("Turn around so I can stop talking to your weave!"), and after LAST season's Reunion and THIS season's Posche Fashion Disaster, can't say I blame her.

KAT - Yep, looks to me like she DID put on some weight. Yep, I'll take her "old" face over her "new" one. I have to applaud her for FINALLY dropping the Mother Teresa bit and coming out swinging like a normal person, for once.

JAC - BRAVO! No, swearing on Nicholas wasn't the greatest thing to do. But she did so well making her points and fighting for herself otherwise, OK. I'm going to choose to put the extreme Nicholas reference down to her going completely over the edge when Teresa CONTINUED to lie to her face about having asked/told Jac to put it out there that Mel'd been a stripper. I look at it this way: For Jac to have chosen to go there, to have sworn on Nicholas' LIFE that she was telling the truth, was very, VERY powerful. And I feel that for her to have made the particular point --- "my autistic son" --- was her way of saying that if she would be so bold as to swear on the life of her challenged child in front of millions, then she WAS NOT LYING. Sure, my mouth dropped open and I gasped when that cleared her lips. But after some thought and reflection, I can understand how very angry she was and how she'd HAD it with being called a liar by The Queen of the Liars. Frankly, with everything she has going on with Nick, I'm surprised she showed up at all THIS year. I DEFINITELY wouldn't've blamed her if she hadn't.

CARO - Have to give it to her, like mina said, at least she straight-up owns up to being a bitch. I absolutely, totally and completely respect her FOR THAT REASON ALONE. She REALLY needs to stop playing Mama Bear for people, though. I was ready to throw something (breakable) at my screen when Andy'd pose a question to Jac, she'd start in answering, and Caroline would overtake what she was saying. Like Jac was totally incapable for speaking up for herself, or something. But, then again, she's played Mama Bear before . . . Remember when she was buying in to what Teresa was saying about Kat and Mel? And how rude and nasty she was to them at first, until she began to use her eyes and ears, instead of what was pumping in her subconscious that Teresa'd put there? After that, you could see her become more civil to the Gorgas and Wakiles to the point where she actually befriended them, regardless of what Teresa continued to say. I personally think she's a combo Mama/Protector personality type. And SHE NEEDS TO GET A HANDLE ON THAT.

T- Insane.

ANDY - Gotta give him credit for holding it in the road as much as he was able to.

GENERAL QUESTION:

What does everybody think about these women (except Teresa) going for lighter locks? Jac, Kathy, Mel and Lauren seemed to be doing a butterscotch color-wheel spectrum, and even Caroline's usual red seemed a lighter shade.

ROSIE - I totally get it. Glad she had sense enough to walk. I like her, and wouldn't've wanted to have seen her in jail for no good reason.

Jac breaking down after Nicholas said "I love you!" on tape did me in. Just lost it. My thoughts and prayers are with her, and she's got Chris and the rest of the decent ladies with her, so she's surrounded by good and encouragement.

"In a world of pollution, profanity, adolescence, broccoli, zits, ozone depletion, racism, sexism, stupid guys and PMS, why the hell do people still tell me to have a nice day?" - UnknownSpring 2016 FoRT Yearbook Title: "Most Likely to Make a Short Story Long, and a Long Story LONGER!"

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Originally Posted by buttahfly

after watching the first part of the reunion, i think they should just cancel this series and be done with it. every last person on the stage was dispicable.

I was thinking the same thing. I questioned my choice of entertainment and felt dirty and ugly watching the show. But, I'll watch the remaining shows of the reunion to see how it plays out. Its TBD for next season though.

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Originally Posted by thatblonde

I agree, Tre is taking a beating, and I personally can’t see what’s she’s done that’s SO BAD to deserve it… I think it’s unfair and unwarranted, the degree and depth that these people are stooping to to attack her. Sure Tre creates messes all by herself, and doesn’t help her cause. But, she clearly isn’t capable of properly defending herself, and therefore really is disadvantaged in that area. With all the dirt I KNOW about Mel and posse, I could bury them, and I probably don’t know a % of what Tre knows. The difference is I do know how to defend myself, and can wage war pretty well, if need be. Tre just doesn’t have the knowledge or the skills to pull that off. All the while the mudslingers have closet’s full and are relatively safe. Nothing they do wrong ever gets the “traction” or the negative attention that Tre’s mistakes get.

Like when Celeb RH Blogger Jay Mohr outted Mel… If I was Tre, I would have had his statement of the evil Mel was plotting FRONT AND CENTER on everything I could, webpage, twitter, fb, etc. Mel claims that she never mentions Tre, has never tried to hurt her or her family, never messes with their $ etc. That’s just another HUGE lie as we have yet another person outing Mel. Jay called Mel “sad”….. that was being kind.

If I were in Tre’s shoes, Everyone would hear all about Mel and Gorilla’s money problems, and OPEN marriage issues, with girls still coming out the woodwork claiming they have slept with “little man”…. (and describing his body parts rather accurately) and this has gone on for a long time, and still does! They’d hear about Mel’s sex life too, wife swapping anyone? I can hear Joe Gorilla now “who wants to see my wife get bonked while I watch”? Her past is rather tame, even with the gold digging stripper history, compared to some of the stuff they do now, puff, snort, cough.

And all the lies and grand stories about how Joe surprised her with house plans, built her the house of her dreams….. lies, lies and lies. Just like the construction loan, the one you signed that stated house was under construction and not “habitable” or “occupied” in order to not have to pay interest, or get a real Mortgage loan and start paying interest, yet you lived there, committing fraud! The only thing Mel didn’t lie about was telling everyone that she knew Joe was the ONE when she saw the huge house he owned in Franklin Lakes, right after meeting him. And Joe Gorilla, what about all the employees that you still owe, can’t pay timely, and jerk around? Not to mention the 30+ suits/judgments & Liens against you for non-payment of contractors! There is a LONG line of people they owe, many that haven’t even pursued them through the legal system… yet, or I should say they haven’t pursued “Gorga Enterprises” yet. Yet Mel claims “we pay our bills”, uh, NO, you don’t. You didn’t even pay your $50k party bill for your “Baby Jesus’s Birthday” party you had!! And putting assets in the kids names to avoid assets being taken to pay the people you owe…..pathetic! Maybe that’s where Richie W. got his idea to not pay his Exxon gas bill, and got sued for it…. Monkey see, monkey do.

And the “copying” Tre keeps referring to, it’s all true, but oh so insignificant compared to Mel’s campaign against Tre, but that’s another paragraph of examples that I won’t get into right now. Mel’s also jealous that Tre & Gorilla’s parents chose to live with Teresa! And the parents can’t stand Mel. Again, another novel I could write on that issue. Mel claims that her r/s with Tre was “worse” before she got on the show, more lies to try and convince the parents that coming on the show was the right thing. Funny, but it’s one of the reasons they have disowned Gorilla! When you intentionally try to take people down Mel, just so you can reach “higher”, well that’s disgusting!

I’d have a whole list of all Caroline’s siblings who don’t speak to her…..it’s not just Dina, is it Joseph (another Joe)? He could tell you stories about Caroline that would really get some attention, no wonder he didn't want her at his son's funeral. And what about Bernie Kerik, Caroline? Guess that affair ended when he went to jail, or did it??? And then the famous tweets about another Bernie, Bernie Madoff, where Carolyn called him a “swindler” when her own brothers, Joe and Chris Laurita are NO better. Hypocrite. “Thick as Thieves” Caroline says……well she got the Thieves part right! And Big Al, removed from his township position there for using fake information, another hypocrite. Taking money from taxpayers from the water commissioner position, knowing you didn’t qualify…

Then there’s Jac. With all your money problems, and history, you are lucky that you haven’t been fully exposed for the Fraud you are. $7-8M $ lawsuit against your hubby, Filing Business Bankruptcy…. In which the Trustee assigned is convinced there is FRAUD there, and has their own investigating going. Seems like robbing that company and enjoying your plunder might catch up with you. And all your denials that you had no knowledge, well, all those deposits into your joint banking accounts tell another story.

With all those money problems Jac, why aren’t you “hustling” like Tre is, trying to help out the family? Heck no, you’d rather be home twittering. Instead, Why don’t you shut up and tend to your child….JacA$$? And stop spending your time trashing Tre, you might make a decent ___ one day, if your priorities ever get straight. Oh yes, we are supposed to go easy on you, since you have a child with Autism….. Sad, but you were told many times after the miscarriages that something was wrong, and they couldn’t guarantee you a healthy child if you continued to pursue that. So Sad that you are that selfish!! **ADMITTED, that’s a low blow there, I own that! But, it’s been around town for a long time- straight from the horse’s mouth- that she pursued it despite the warnings, and all because of her personal marital insecurity. She’s told many "friends" things like: “ It’s easier for Chris to walk away from a Wife than a Wife and child”, and “ alimony ends, whereas child support goes on and on”. Oh wait, blackmail via child can be considered “hustling”…… good job Jac.

Speaking of pregnancies, you might not be married now Jac, if you weren’t PREGNANT back then, right? That’s why you got engaged and had a quickie wedding. And calling others (Joe Gui) out for cheating, wasn’t that the foundation of your r/s with Chris Laurita? You knew he was engaged to Jen, and still screwed around with him, and “dated” him nonetheless behind her back for quite a while (No wonder Dina never cared for you). If you want to call all those quick trips to Vegas where you hooked up in motels “dating” Then he returned to his g/f /fiancée in NJ, and you kept sleeping around with many others too, wow what a love story! And what about all the people that really know your past? Working conventions….sounds better than “paid escort”? And what about working at the “Glitter Gulch”, remember those days? Your Ex Matt Holmes sure does, and a few dozen other folks. And once Bonnie Grippe's mind is gone, she will probably out you too, on twitter no less, since you can barely control her now.

Anyway, I could go on and on and on, but you get the picture. These idiots pick on Tre because she’s an easy target AND it takes the focus off their crappy lives. I think they are vile, despicable, winches! Tre is better than that, no matter what you think, and I don’t care if I’m the only one who thinks that. At least I have the benefit of an “educated” opinion, if you can call knowing all this filth that.

Whew! Wow! All I can say is.... please tell us MORE! This stuff was interesting!

Re: The Real Housewives of New Jersey

Originally Posted by Jexter

I was thinking the same thing. I questioned my choice of entertainment and felt dirty and ugly watching the show. But, I'll watch the remaining shows of the reunion to see how it plays out. Its TBD for next season though.

Re: The Real Housewives of New Jersey

Originally Posted by ness

General thoughts/observations:

MEL - Didn't say too much this go-round, but to all reports, her day IS coming. She got some good licks in ("Turn around so I can stop talking to your weave!"), and after LAST season's Reunion and THIS season's Posche Fashion Disaster, can't say I blame her.

KAT - Yep, looks to me like she DID put on some weight. Yep, I'll take her "old" face over her "new" one. I have to applaud her for FINALLY dropping the Mother Teresa bit and coming out swinging like a normal person, for once.

JAC - BRAVO! No, swearing on Nicholas wasn't the greatest thing to do. But she did so well making her points and fighting for herself otherwise, OK. I'm going to choose to put the extreme Nicholas reference down to her going completely over the edge when Teresa CONTINUED to lie to her face about having asked/told Jac to put it out there that Mel'd been a stripper. I look at it this way: For Jac to have chosen to go there, to have sworn on Nicholas' LIFE that she was telling the truth, was very, VERY powerful. And I feel that for her to have made the particular point --- "my autistic son" --- was her way of saying that if she would be so bold as to swear on the life of her challenged child in front of millions, then she WAS NOT LYING. Sure, my mouth dropped open and I gasped when that cleared her lips. But after some thought and reflection, I can understand how very angry she was and how she'd HAD it with being called a liar by The Queen of the Liars. Frankly, with everything she has going on with Nick, I'm surprised she showed up at all THIS year. I DEFINITELY wouldn't've blamed her if she hadn't.

CARO - Have to give it to her, like mina said, at least she straight-up owns up to being a bitch. I absolutely, totally and completely respect her FOR THAT REASON ALONE. She REALLY needs to stop playing Mama Bear for people, though. I was ready to throw something (breakable) at my screen when Andy'd pose a question to Jac, she'd start in answering, and Caroline would overtake what she was saying. Like Jac was totally incapable for speaking up for herself, or something. But, then again, she's played Mama Bear before . . . Remember when she was buying in to what Teresa was saying about Kat and Mel? And how rude and nasty she was to them at first, until she began to use her eyes and ears, instead of what was pumping in her subconscious that Teresa'd put there? After that, you could see her become more civil to the Gorgas and Wakiles to the point where she actually befriended them, regardless of what Teresa continued to say. I personally think she's a combo Mama/Protector personality type. And SHE NEEDS TO GET A HANDLE ON THAT.

T- Insane.

ANDY - Gotta give him credit for holding it in the road as much as he was able to.

GENERAL QUESTION:

What does everybody think about these women (except Teresa) going for lighter locks? Jac, Kathy, Mel and Lauren seemed to be doing a butterscotch color-wheel spectrum, and even Caroline's usual red seemed a lighter shade.

ROSIE - I totally get it. Glad she had sense enough to walk. I like her, and wouldn't've wanted to have seen her in jail for no good reason.

Jac breaking down after Nicholas said "I love you!" on tape did me in. Just lost it. My thoughts and prayers are with her, and she's got Chris and the rest of the decent ladies with her, so she's surrounded by good and encouragement.

This is about all I can think of, right now.

I think I'm the only one that likes Kathy's new look. I'm so out numbered... that I can't wait for Part II so I can really take a closer look. lol Maybe I'll hate it at second glance. Yes, I totally got it when Jax swore on Nick. I felt the same way.... she was adamant enough to do this.... to make this very important point. I know I'm convinced she was not lying. I like Caro, but yes she does seem to go into protect mode ... to people she cares about. I know at one point when she saw Jax getting all upset... she said something like take it easy... I'll talk. Or something like that. I think she does it out of care, but yes, it can be annoying. But truly, the ONLY annoying person to me at the reunion was Tre.

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Originally Posted by MsDiva2007

They are but since it doesn't matter about the failures of any of the others on the show,Why shoud I care about Joe Guidices? IMO if all the talk is how horrible Joe & Tre are for filing Bankruptices and Tre for daring to flip a table in season one, then I am going to make sure everyone else's failures are laid bare since Bravo doesn't .

As I see it they are all equally slimy people but only Joe & Tre are gettin slimed on the show. I mean The bastion of ignorance Caroline Manzo accused Tre of "whoring out her daughter", a underaged child yet Caroline doesn't take any heat for such a horrible statement!

The fact is if these ladies had been in high school this gang up would have been called bullying and not tolerated! Tre is not perfect but omg at least be hardball with these other heinous harpies as well Bravo!

Jacqueline needs to get her crazy butt of twitter and concentrate on her son. I guess talking crazy on twitter is most important to her

I certainly don't know what is going on in Jax's mind... but I have a feeling her tweeting is a release for her..... to take her mind of her precious little boy for a time. JMO