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Envy is indeed nothing special in his regular palm tree form, since other than Wrath, none of the Homunculi seem to be all that experienced or skilled in any type of martial arts, weapon handling or whatever. They pretty much rely entirey on their special ability for combat, and Envy's obviously isn't very suited for it, and is, as stated, better for manipulation and such, as shown by the incident with Hughes. However, he makes up for it with his beast form, which definitely packs a punch in terms of raw power. And to be honest I was rather disappointed at how easily Roy took care of it, which I guess goes to show just how powerful his alchemy is.

Wasn't his sensei/Riza's father who said it was the most powerful type of alchemy there is? Might've been some boasting on his part, but even if it's not the most powerful, it's definitely up there. So yeah, there's probably no one in the manga that I can't see Roy beating. Wrath would definitely give him a run for his money, but if Roy is as focused as he was against Envy, he could certainly pull it off.

As for the possibility of a Greed vs Wrath rematch, I think it would be interesting if it were Ling in control of the body, since he does have some history with Wrath and contrasting ideals about what a true king should be like, etc. But if it were just Greed I don't think it would be all interesting, unless the old Greed actually somehow manages to come back to get some payback on Wrath for killing his possessions.

I still havn't finished the first series, but so far Mustang is one of the more deeper charector's. One of those guys who seem's very one dimensional at the beginning but little by little change's over the course of time.

The episode i think really showed me how differant the mustang we'd seen so far was from the real one, has so far to be episode 15. My brother served in the war in iraq, and sometime's he demonstrate's some of the same behavior as mustang. That's what make's mustang such a good char, the realism. The regret, the pain he feel's really come's across just like it doe's with many real life vets and soldiers.

Riza asked Roy to burn her back so a new Flame Alchemist could never be born. And considering her father, the one who invented it, had this rather... unbalanced nature, I doubt he had any more apprentices to speak of.

I am really amused that I keep seeing comments on blogs and boards that Roy Mustang is not as cool in this series. Well aren't they in for a treat.

But I guess I can't blame them for thinking that because the one cool thing Roy did in the early part of the manga (the end of Vol 5 when we first saw his alchemy at work) was cut from this version. Instead we get Roy getting wet twice.

Yeah and they won't be animating the Flame vs Fullmetal omake either. I guess that first impression can't be helped.

Oh well, it's all a matter of time. When Brotherhood gets to the twenties, those comments should definitely change.

And it's not like they had him use his alchemy that much more in the first series. In fact it was rather clear to me that the first series team didn't have much of an idea what to do with Roy and his whole gang.

Edit: Haladflire65, you should edit your post and use spoiler tags for that. Everything from the manga that hasn't happened in Brotherhood yet needs to be properly tagged for spoilers.

Roy is the type of character that doesn't do much, but when he does something, it's so cool that it overcompensates. Since he hasn't done anything noteworthy yet, I guess it's normal why people don't find him as cool yet. I hope they don't wait too long until they show us his true power, otherwise people who haven't read the manga will lose hope for him.

Also, the idea that he is useless when he is wet (which he isn't) is just done for comedy purposes, though the non-manga readers probably don't know that.

Roy is the type of character that doesn't do much, but when he does something

Well I would say yes until a certain scene Roy doesn't do much and we mainly get glimpses of him. But after that particular scene I would say Roy does a whole hell of a lot.

He definitely does more than 1st Anime!Roy. Well I would say the difference is in the 1st anime Roy is more of a supporting character who doesn't show his true colors until close to the end.

In the manga I would say he is much more of a main character. Story wise he is probably the 3rd most important character after Ed & Al. Since after Ed & Al's goal his goal definitely gets the most attention.

But yes I am not surprised that after these 9 episodes people who have not read the manga do not get this.

I can't wait for the Lust vs Mustang fight too, but at the same time I don't want it to be to soon. Lust is very dark and sinister in this series, maybe even more so then the manga (and definitely way more then the first anime series). I always wished they could of done something with her actually being "Lust". Sure, she dated Havoc, but it was nothing sexy or dangerous that you'd expect from this particular "deadly sin". She's definitely one of the most dangerous in a fight, but I always wanted to see some kind of "seduction" power too...

Really? You think she's dangerous? Compared to normal humans, yeah, but I always got the sense that she was one of the weaker homunculi. Best case, she's middle of the pack: Stronger than Greed, Gluttony, and Envy, but weaker than Pride, Wrath, and Sloth

Really? You think she's dangerous? Compared to normal humans, yeah, but I always got the sense that she was one of the weaker homunculi. Best case, she's middle of the pack: Stronger than Greed, Gluttony, and Envy, but weaker than Pride, Wrath, and Sloth

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But she's a sexy, busty lady, unlike those other sins. Look how she seduced Havoc into giving her info on Roy. I think Lust is very dangerous in her own way - probably she's no stronger to other women, though

It seems as though Roy wasn't a victim of her seductions, though. Wonder why. It would've been interesting.

Really? You think she's dangerous? Compared to normal humans, yeah, but I always got the sense that she was one of the weaker homunculi. Best case, she's middle of the pack: Stronger than Greed, Gluttony, and Envy, but weaker than Pride, Wrath, and Sloth

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When Lust is pitted against anyone else, she tends to kick ass. She isn't emotional in her fights, actually employs some strategy (like soaking Roy's gloves), and her Ultimate Spear is dangerous at any range. The only reason she looks weak is because she only has one challenging fight in the manga where the opponent doesn't piss their pants and run away. Sadly, the one good fight she gets is with one of the most overpowered offensive alchemists in the entire manga. Did she still manage to kick his ass a bit despite his insane offensive abilties? Yes, hell, she almost killed him.

The fact that Roy nearly died in that fight shows how strong she really is. What if Sloth, Greed, or Wrath was there in her place? Would they do much better if they got caught in his sights? Almost anyone that gets caught in his fire alchemy is going to die (and of the three I mentioned, I can see Sloth getting absolutely destroyed by Roy). Wrath would be tricky, his major weakness is being blinded (by both eyes), so Roy would have to be more clever against him. Greed would depend on how his Ultimate Shield does against heat or his inability to shield himself fast enough to block Roy's precision flame attacks.

Again, more on the alchemy than the man, but I always get the feel that flame alchemy works by igniting the area Roy chooses. So, it doesn't matter what material is available. As long as there is air, he can transmute the flames.

I did mention above that Roy is deadly only when he focuses, but when he does, oh boy...

Again, more on the alchemy than the man, but I always get the feel that flame alchemy works by igniting the area Roy chooses. So, it doesn't matter what material is available. As long as there is air, he can transmute the flames.

I think the way it works is he creates a spark with his gloves and then adjusts the concentration of oxygen in the air to make flames spread out. It seems like an easy thing, but when you think about it, it requires great precision to target the flames - he only makes it look easy by just snapping his fingers and things going KABOOM around him.

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I did mention above that Roy is deadly only when he focuses, but when he does, oh boy...

Heh, that is true about everybody, not just Roy. I don't know anyone who can be a threat without giving their best - unless the opponent is very weak.