"At 27 years of age, Matthew was an incredibly kind, gentle and compassionate young man whose sweet spirit was encouragement and comfort to many," Saddleback Church said in the statement. "Unfortunately, he also suffered from mental illness resulting in deep depression and suicidal thoughts."

Fark Wacko Liberals: "I bet his son was gay, what a terrible parent he was with his totally now gay son."

You people are so pathetic. The man's son died and you all find a way to insult him.

Guy was probably gay. He was told he had a mental illness and almost assuredly never gained acceptance from his dad. But we're the ones that are pathetic and insulting

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight

Given who his father was, that mental illness was almost certainly homosexuality. Having your father blasting you indirectly on a national stage, knowing he's talking directly about you, must have been psychologically crippling.

Codenamechaz:I'm assuming by "struggle with mental illness", they mean "He was gay and we were so intolerant of it and him that it drove him to end his life"

This may come as a surprise to you, but people struggle with mental illness quite irrespective of their sexual orientation. I've known some very mentally ill people who happened to be gay/lesbian and it really had nothing to do with 'being scarred' by their parents.

Fark Wacko Liberals: "I bet his son was gay, what a terrible parent he was with his totally now gay son."

You people are so pathetic. The man's son died and you all find a way to insult him.

Guy was probably gay. He was told he had a mental illness and almost assuredly never gained acceptance from his dad. But we're the ones that are pathetic and insulting

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight

Given who his father was, that mental illness was almost certainly homosexuality. Having your father blasting you indirectly on a national stage, knowing he's talking directly about you, must have been psychologically crippling.

It's just what a good Christian would do to his gay son.

I'd also point out that the right took plenty of shots at Chelsea and now the Obama girls. So claiming the high ground here is farking hilarious. Had something similar happened to someone identified as being on the left, the usual League of Fail members would be here saying much worse

Somacandra:This may come as a surprise to you, but people struggle with mental illness quite irrespective of their sexual orientation. I've known some very mentally ill people who happened to be gay/lesbian and it really had nothing to do with 'being scarred' by their parents.

But those facts don't match their current political agenda, therefore those facts are wrong and you're a right-wing trol for thinking it's not because he was a repressed gay man.

As much as I would want to blame this on Warren being horrible, the reality is that people often commit suicide for reasons completely independent of how the people who love them treat them. We don't have any reason to think Warren did anything to cause this.

DamnYankees:As much as I would want to blame this on Warren being horrible, the reality is that people often commit suicide for reasons completely independent of how the people who love them treat them. We don't have any reason to think Warren did anything to cause this.

This is incredibly sad. And of course, being Fark, this is also going to get very ugly. Take your normal death thread and toss in a religious intensifier. Of course, the worst death thread I can remember is still the death of Senator Craig Thomas from leukemia. He was a Republican, so you can pretty well guess where that went.

Codenamechaz:I'm assuming by "struggle with mental illness", they mean "He was gay and we were so intolerant of it and him that it drove him to end his life"

GAT_00:Hoban Washburne: Codenamechaz: I'm assuming by "struggle with mental illness", they mean "He was gay and we were so intolerant of it and him that it drove him to end his life"

If that is the case, the parents deserve every bit of pain/sadness/guilt they are feeling and then some.

There's no reason a pastor like this would feel guilty about driving his gay son to suicide.

Benevolent Misanthrope:"At 27 years of age, Matthew was an incredibly kind, gentle and compassionate young man whose sweet spirit was encouragement and comfort to many," Saddleback Church said in the statement. "Unfortunately, he also suffered from mental illness resulting in deep depression and suicidal thoughts."

Ah. So he was gay. Jeebus gave him an illness to make him go away.

/FOAD, Rick Warren and all his ilk

What the hell is wrong with you people? The article said not one farking thing about their son's sexual orientation and you just HAD to assume he was gay, based solely upon the wording of the Warren's statement, and that his parents were giving him crap about it without actually knowing any of the facts or any of the other circumstances behind this poor man's death. Disagreeing with somebody is fine, but it is no reason to act like such a jackass when something like this happens to their family, show some class.

Fark Wacko Liberals: "I bet his son was gay, what a terrible parent he was with his totally now gay son."

You people are so pathetic. The man's son died and you all find a way to insult him.

Guy was probably gay. He was told he had a mental illness and almost assuredly never gained acceptance from his dad. But we're the ones that are pathetic and insulting

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight

Given who his father was, that mental illness was almost certainly homosexuality. Having your father blasting you indirectly on a national stage, knowing he's talking directly about you, must have been psychologically crippling.

It's just what a good Christian would do to his gay son.

What's remarkable is that the fark lib trolls have made up a back story out of whole cloth and are criticizing the minister for something he hasn't been accused of doing. What's even more remarkable is that they're getting defensive about their straw man:

Peter von Nostrand:I'd also point out that the right took plenty of shots at Chelsea and now the Obama girls. So claiming the high ground here is farking hilarious. Had something similar happened to someone identified as being on the left, the usual League of Fail members would be here saying much worse

Mental illness can be terminal regardless of sexual orientation, race, creed, economic status, etc. It's incredibly sad when anyone feels that ending their life is their only respite, and we should all understand it and feel sorrow for one who has felt so low, so useless, so helpless and hopeless. The Warrens could have been incredibly supportive of their son, and given him all the best treatments, and this still could have been the end result. Stop the inane conjecture.

TheXerox:Codenamechaz: I'm assuming by "struggle with mental illness", they mean "He was gay and we were so intolerant of it and him that it drove him to end his life"

GAT_00: Hoban Washburne: Codenamechaz: I'm assuming by "struggle with mental illness", they mean "He was gay and we were so intolerant of it and him that it drove him to end his life"

If that is the case, the parents deserve every bit of pain/sadness/guilt they are feeling and then some.

There's no reason a pastor like this would feel guilty about driving his gay son to suicide.

Benevolent Misanthrope: "At 27 years of age, Matthew was an incredibly kind, gentle and compassionate young man whose sweet spirit was encouragement and comfort to many," Saddleback Church said in the statement. "Unfortunately, he also suffered from mental illness resulting in deep depression and suicidal thoughts."

Ah. So he was gay. Jeebus gave him an illness to make him go away.

/FOAD, Rick Warren and all his ilk

What the hell is wrong with you people? The article said not one farking thing about their son's sexual orientation and you just HAD to assume he was gay, based solely upon the wording of the Warren's statement, and that his parents were giving him crap about it without actually knowing any of the facts or any of the other circumstances behind this poor man's death. Disagreeing with somebody is fine, but it is no reason to act like such a jackass when something like this happens to their family, show some class.

The article is full of evangelical dogwhistles regarding a gay son. Rick Warren does not get a pass for being a fundie asshat just because his son died, yes, tragically.

But this must be the kinder, gentler Fark, where we don't offend and insults are verboten.

I wonder if Westboro will protest at the funeral. It would be like dividing by zero.

That said, I do feel bad for the family. This sucks no matter who you are. I have no reason to doubt that the pastor loved his son and this will be a difficult time. They will spend a lot of time in introspection and turmoil over whether or not they could've done something differently. They might not find any easy answers.

Maybe they'll learn something. Maybe they'll just chalk it up to god's will or the work of satan and that would be too bad.

Benevolent Misanthrope:TheXerox: Codenamechaz: I'm assuming by "struggle with mental illness", they mean "He was gay and we were so intolerant of it and him that it drove him to end his life"

GAT_00: Hoban Washburne: Codenamechaz: I'm assuming by "struggle with mental illness", they mean "He was gay and we were so intolerant of it and him that it drove him to end his life"

If that is the case, the parents deserve every bit of pain/sadness/guilt they are feeling and then some.

There's no reason a pastor like this would feel guilty about driving his gay son to suicide.

Benevolent Misanthrope: "At 27 years of age, Matthew was an incredibly kind, gentle and compassionate young man whose sweet spirit was encouragement and comfort to many," Saddleback Church said in the statement. "Unfortunately, he also suffered from mental illness resulting in deep depression and suicidal thoughts."

Ah. So he was gay. Jeebus gave him an illness to make him go away.

/FOAD, Rick Warren and all his ilk

What the hell is wrong with you people? The article said not one farking thing about their son's sexual orientation and you just HAD to assume he was gay, based solely upon the wording of the Warren's statement, and that his parents were giving him crap about it without actually knowing any of the facts or any of the other circumstances behind this poor man's death. Disagreeing with somebody is fine, but it is no reason to act like such a jackass when something like this happens to their family, show some class.

The article is full of evangelical dogwhistles regarding a gay son. Rick Warren does not get a pass for being a fundie asshat just because his son died, yes, tragically.

But this must be the kinder, gentler Fark, where we don't offend and insults are verboten.

You really enjoy jerking off to the suicide of someone you've never met and know nothing about, don't you?

Benevolent Misanthrope:TheXerox: Codenamechaz: I'm assuming by "struggle with mental illness", they mean "He was gay and we were so intolerant of it and him that it drove him to end his life"

GAT_00: Hoban Washburne: Codenamechaz: I'm assuming by "struggle with mental illness", they mean "He was gay and we were so intolerant of it and him that it drove him to end his life"

If that is the case, the parents deserve every bit of pain/sadness/guilt they are feeling and then some.

There's no reason a pastor like this would feel guilty about driving his gay son to suicide.

Benevolent Misanthrope: "At 27 years of age, Matthew was an incredibly kind, gentle and compassionate young man whose sweet spirit was encouragement and comfort to many," Saddleback Church said in the statement. "Unfortunately, he also suffered from mental illness resulting in deep depression and suicidal thoughts."

Ah. So he was gay. Jeebus gave him an illness to make him go away.

/FOAD, Rick Warren and all his ilk

What the hell is wrong with you people? The article said not one farking thing about their son's sexual orientation and you just HAD to assume he was gay, based solely upon the wording of the Warren's statement, and that his parents were giving him crap about it without actually knowing any of the facts or any of the other circumstances behind this poor man's death. Disagreeing with somebody is fine, but it is no reason to act like such a jackass when something like this happens to their family, show some class.

The article is full of evangelical dogwhistles regarding a gay son. Rick Warren does not get a pass for being a fundie asshat just because his son died, yes, tragically.

But this must be the kinder, gentler Fark, where we don't offend and insults are verboten.

Keep talking. You look more and more like a buffoon with every post you make in this thread.

TheXerox:What the hell is wrong with you people? The article said not one farking thing about their son's sexual orientation and you just HAD to assume he was gay, based solely upon the wording of the Warren's statement, and that his parents were giving him crap about it without actually knowing any of the facts or any of the other circumstances behind this poor man's death.

Somacandra:Peter von Nostrand: I'd also point out that the right took plenty of shots at Chelsea and now the Obama girls.

Whoa...when did Rick Warren, or any of his church's members, take pride in watching Chelsea Clinton or the Obama girls DIE? I don't think any company actually makes a paintbrush that big.

When did I say they did and what are you talking about? Did I say I was proud that this guy died? Did i say anyone was proud of him dying? Or do you want to just keeping making things up? How many questions can I ask? Who knows?

Fark Wacko Liberals: "I bet his son was gay, what a terrible parent he was with his totally now gay son."

You people are so pathetic. The man's son died and you all find a way to insult him.

Guy was probably gay. He was told he had a mental illness and almost assuredly never gained acceptance from his dad. But we're the ones that are pathetic and insulting

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight

Given who his father was, that mental illness was almost certainly homosexuality. Having your father blasting you indirectly on a national stage, knowing he's talking directly about you, must have been psychologically crippling.

It's just what a good Christian would do to his gay son.

What's remarkable is that the fark lib trolls have made up a back story out of whole cloth and are criticizing the minister for something he hasn't been accused of doing. What's even more remarkable is that they're getting defensive about their straw man:

Peter von Nostrand: I'd also point out that the right took plenty of shots at Chelsea and now the Obama girls. So claiming the high ground here is farking hilarious. Had something similar happened to someone identified as being on the left, the usual League of Fail members would be here saying much worse

Nope. I'm not getting defensive. I feel bad he died and suicide is always tragedy. Like it or not at this time it's not an unreasonable assumption. And yes, I'm well aware of what assuming leads to

RedPhoenix122:TheXerox: What the hell is wrong with you people? The article said not one farking thing about their son's sexual orientation and you just HAD to assume he was gay, based solely upon the wording of the Warren's statement, and that his parents were giving him crap about it without actually knowing any of the facts or any of the other circumstances behind this poor man's death.

TheXerox:RedPhoenix122: TheXerox: What the hell is wrong with you people? The article said not one farking thing about their son's sexual orientation and you just HAD to assume he was gay, based solely upon the wording of the Warren's statement, and that his parents were giving him crap about it without actually knowing any of the facts or any of the other circumstances behind this poor man's death.

Pattern recognition.

"Jumping to conclusions" is the term you're looking for.

I'm good with that. I even have a mat for it. I could be wrong and if so, my bad and I'll probably regret it. Won't be the first time and won't be the last time I'll be wrong

Peter von Nostrand:TheXerox: RedPhoenix122: TheXerox: What the hell is wrong with you people? The article said not one farking thing about their son's sexual orientation and you just HAD to assume he was gay, based solely upon the wording of the Warren's statement, and that his parents were giving him crap about it without actually knowing any of the facts or any of the other circumstances behind this poor man's death.

Pattern recognition.

"Jumping to conclusions" is the term you're looking for.

I'm good with that. I even have a mat for it. I could be wrong and if so, my bad and I'll probably regret it. Won't be the first time and won't be the last time I'll be wrong

Oh God, not this "dog whistles" BS. Yeah, people use coded language sometimes, but all too often "dog whistle" seems to mean "They didn't say it, but I think they wanted to, therefore they really said it in a code interpretable only by me." If he really was gay, why on earth would the Saddleback people include even a coded reference to a trait they presumably didn't want remembered? And considering the prevalence of depression and many other mental illnesses which have nothing to do with who you like to fark, it's perfectly possible that the guy was indeed suffering from one of those and killed himself as a result. And really, to act like conservatives have some sort of lock on mocking someone's death is idiotic. Anyone remember when the Duggars miscarried their last pregnancy? I can't stand the Duggars, but even I was pretty freaked out by the vitriol.