CLOSE this THREAD already. Beaten to death is an understatement. User should SEARCH the forums to get peoples opinion on the Start Menu. Also, if you want the Start Menu back, go get START8

Close please

I've loaded this garbage OS three or four times in a virtual environment to give it a chance and try to change my perspective/opinion. Same result each time. Sorry *** attempt by MS to merge into the Android, iPhone OS market. Maybe if they can put out a marketable phone first and then follow up with W8 OS might make more logical sense.

What I don't understand is they already had a Tablet OS it's called "The Windows Phone Operating system". Why couldn't they have put that on a tablet? Apple put their phone OS on their tablet and it looks like they are doing pretty good.

What I don't understand is they already had a Tablet OS it's called "The Windows Phone Operating system". Why couldn't they have put that on a tablet? Apple put their phone OS on their tablet and it looks like they are doing pretty good.

Ok I can get the ad-nauseum start screen bashing... but I'd really like to hear what's wrong with running not only the lightweight tablet oriented apps but also the exact same OS and software as the desktops? Personally they can keep the RT devices, if I wanted a "yet another lightweight consumption device" I'd just pick an Android off the pile (or iPad if you're into the Apple thing).. but whats your problem with the Pro and other devices in that class? Personally I've been using Windows based tablets since XP Tablet Edition and later 7, there's just no comparison. Why screw around hoping some random app can sync with this program, dealing with missing/crippled features, weak web-apps, etc etc versus just installing the exact same software and have productivity skyrocket? Linux your thing? Fine, install it. Just 1000% more flexible. A no brainer.

What I don't understand is they already had a Tablet OS it's called "The Windows Phone Operating system". Why couldn't they have put that on a tablet? Apple put their phone OS on their tablet and it looks like they are doing pretty good.

For me. I don't mind that I will have windows 8, because I can understand them very well since Windows 95. it is easy to use in Windows 8. I went to Bestbuy in Jan 2013 to test Windows 8, and I liked it. I will buy windows 7 for heavier gaming like SWTOR. I will use windows 8 for light game like age of empries online or others.

If you're saying that the Start screen is like a large dial and that the menu was like digital buttons in the limited terms of an app launcher, I'd disagree. The Start screen is more like a full screen menu.

Here is a special case, it's cold and you've got gloves on. It's much easier and faster to dial a rotary with thick gloves on than to dial on a digital pad. If you believe that the menu is quicker, that's your opinion, but my opinion is that that is ridiculous, unless it's cold out and you've got gloves on...

Hmm, lets see, which is the more precise control mechanism again? Which one requires a larger hit target? Is calling the SS a full screen menu (NSS) anything but painfully obvious? Funny, seems pretty clear that RT is the glove that makes Desktop users feel analog.

More powerful, lol. Name one app that fits the bill since that was an epic fail on claiming full Office support. OneNote is easily one of the best RT apps yet still pales to its Desktop sibling. I've yet to see a single app (nor do I expect any in the relavent future) buck this trend. Hence support for one of the few things I'll give credit to Apple for, scaling up its mobile, and not squishing down the Desktop which is the tree MS has been barking up (wrongly) for a decade.

Its really the same argument the console/appliance types have always used against the Desktop, they are more than happy to dilute our experience since it doesn't effect their own low expectations.

in which case, "Sadly" Windows 8 will never become a mainstream O/S as the majority of desktop/laptop uses boycott it

+1 - I am usually an early adopter of technology, but when I tried the WIn8 previews and the "desktop" was hidden under the crappy metro interface, and the "start button" was missing, I lost interest in using it.

When the retail version was released, and it was the same, it became the first version of Windows I have never upgraded to (and never will).

in which case, "Sadly" Windows 8 will never become a mainstream O/S as the majority of desktop/laptop uses boycott it

+1 - I am usually an early adopter of technology, but when I tried the WIn8 previews and the "desktop" was hidden under the crappy metro interface, and the "start button" was missing, I lost interest in using it.

When the retail version was released, and it was the same, it became the first version of Windows I have never upgraded to (and never will).

Exactly the same reason. If only it looked better and was made with a PC in mind and not a tablet or phone.