This is what democracy looks like. An endless parade of bad behavior on both sides.

Fun.

Hopefully there are serious people doing working for Wisconsin's benefit in the here and now because, come 2021 when everything collapses, you're all going to have to work together when the talks with the Michigan/Illinois Confederation break down and they invade.

O.J. Simpson offered a hefty reward for anyone who would find the real killer, too. That didn't mean there was one.

This doesn't constitute evidence of "an endless parade of bad behavior on both sides." One group does something as a publicity/propaganda stunt. Take it for what it is, until there's evidence for anything else.

Sounds good to me. People shouldn't destroy signed petitions. People shouldn't accuse opponents of destroying signed petitions without evidence. If the money is never awarded it won't prove that no dirty tricks were played (you can't prove a negative), but it does raise the barrier for post-hoc accusations.

The California measure to recall the governor, at that time, Grey Davis, tells an interesting story.

The money for the drive came from conservatives. They wanted to run Tom Campbell against Davis. But at the end, Schwartenegger swooped in and collected the nomination. (Bringing all the technical savvy from his wife's side of the family: The Kennedy's.)

Grey Davis had gotten taken for a ride by ENRON. (A year or two before ENRON blew up. California was "charged" for so much of its electrical needs ... we had a few major crises. Higher electrical bills, that frosted off most voters, here. And, college/universities going without power. And, not enough backup generators. So years worth of research went down the toilet.

Against Grey Davis, it was the perfect storm!

And,Grey Davis WAS an ambitious man! He thought he'd walk right into the presidential nomination slot back in 2000. Taking out Davis though, in a recall election, opened the door to Algore.

I don't see an issue that will take Governor Walker out. First, he fixed a budget crisis by going after the teachers union. You didn't know how unpopular this group has been?

Walker didn't even swing at them the way Chris Christie enjoyed (and still enjoys) support in New Jersey.

Two options ahead?

One: Not enough signatures to put this on the ballot. OR

TWO: "SUSAN" ... The lady Clark called ... and her "It's a Shame" went viral.

I saw this story hit on facebook (the threats to destroy the petitions). It's based on lifted facebook conversations, for what it's worth. That suggests that it's not a democratic "ruse", but also suggests that it won't be a serious threat (despite the puffery of the posters).

I checked the politiscoop website, and looked at the screen shots they captured. Unfortunately, I could not find any of the people in the discussion--including the one with the Guy Fawkes mask warning the alleged ballot shredders they would be breaking the law.

I wonder if politiscoop is either inadvertantly participating in a falsehood.

Alternatively, it could be on ourpose. I note the maudlin tone of the article.

If they were offering a reward for information leading to convictions, I'd be all in favor. Even so, I'm glad to hear that the poor proles of Wisconsin-- who as recently as August couldn't afford the $15 it costs to disrupt a Rotary Club luncheon where Paul Ryan is speaking-- have finally come into some money.

Strategies developed by extreme left-wing unionists are so easy to see. First there was the claim that United Wisconsin's website had been subjected to a cyber attack by pro-Walker supporters (Garage contributed to that BS here at Althouse). Then came the unsubstantiated claims that Dem petition signature gatherers were being threatened by conservatives. Now the anti-unionists are supposedly gathering petitions for Walker's recall with intent to destroy them instead of turning them in.

Liberals always believe that because such tactics are common in their own campaigns - everyone must think that way. However, when we review the bidding, it is always the the union thugs who employ these tactics. Reread the articles here and here to refresh you memory on what happened during the earlier recalls.

Lol. This is the dumbest, most cynical and self-defeating bs excuse for an idea that I've heard you ("people like you"?) come up with.

Its how you guys go through life.

Thanks for the mindless insult. It's nice to know that a partisan for the same side that runs a guy as inarticulate and self-defeating as Rick Perry still has bigger priorities than an intelligent political agenda.

Your whole slate of candidates sucks and shows how stupid and pointless the Republican party has become. But keep insulting me. Somehow that will help you.

Also, let's make all politics look like a James Bond movie. Double agents, yeah!

If it's not illegal to sign multiple copies of a petition (and I'm making a big assumption that it is not, and that duplicate signatures are de-conflicted at some point), is there an real effect to collecting signatures and not turning the petition in?

The kindest thing I've called him on these threads is "the human weathervane."

Good. Then just admit that if this is the Republicans' best attempt at "electable", then there is something seriously wrong with the party, and philosophy, you hope to use to defeat those evil Democrats.

This is called an "opinion". And the reason you provide no evidence for it as if it were an actual fact, is because you have none.

"Probably" is the weasel word you write that gives it away.

You can thank me later.

(2) There have always been things wrong with the Republican Party. There have usually been even worse things wrong with the Democratic Party.

Another opinion, this one has the virtue of being even more vague than the last one.

Thank you for showing us your inability to come up with a specific thought.

(3) A political party doesn't stand in a one to one relationship with a philosophy. Certainly not under the kind of party system that has evolved in the United States.

So what? Who cares about this theoretical point? And if the Republican'ts are a party not wedded to a philosophy, show me an example of that. On what plank in their shopworn platform have they been pragmatic and flexible? Dummy.

Scram, stupid troll.

So sorry to get in the way of your mental masturbation session. You can stroke your own ego, challenge-free!, at your own website or some other private forum.

But on this one your wanking will be subject to occasional interruption. Didn't mean to see what I walked in on. But then, you were the one wanking.

Down in the bottom right corner of WI, I have seen only one recall ( Governor Scott) Walker station. It's at the Kenosha roll yer own cigarette store run by a Grateful Dead | Phish-following looking dood.

My youngster saw a number of kiddos waiting to sign the recall at the local tertiary school.

Still waiting for these douche bags to appear at some place where normal folks frequent.

I found two or three of the people on Facebook who were supposed to have had the conversation about destroying petitions. I didn't find the conversation that was quoted on their walls or on a separate FB page that both had commented on. This was over a week ago so they may have made their profiles private by now.

Believing that some petitions have been destroyed will take out some of the sting if they aren't getting as many signatures as quickly as they hoped.