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Btw..

Originally Posted by Pemuda

This is mind boggling indeed.
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..just in case & just to cover all the bases in the likelihood scenario LCW's WR #1 is overtaken before the 2012 OG, chris@ccc has put forth a challenge that he doesn't see any other player(s) other than those from CHN would be able to claim the WR #1 spot...(post #63 & 67). In other words, if a player from CHN overtakes LCW's WR#1 spot before the 2012 OG, it is as expected.

Thus, this thread sounds more like "Which other non-CHN MS player9s) can challenge LCW and overtake his WR#1 spot before the 2012 OG??"...

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Currently, we cannot find newer stronger Mens Singles players from Denmark, Indonesia, Korea, etc... Yes, perhaps some could appear later, perhaps in 2010 or in 2011. But it won't be likely that they could take away Lee Chong Wei' No.1 position by the time the 2012 Olympic Games Badminton event arrives.

To keep his WR - I must say Lee Chong Wei played the biggest part. Neither Chen Long, nor anyone.

3 different corners of winning

How do you discuss sensibly when you don't seem to be on the same wavelength on 'winning'?
Chris' meaning of winning is 'winning titles'.
Oldhand's is just 'winning matches'
Ants' is being perceived a winner without winning.
What's a current WR1?
A current WR1 is a current superior mark of consistency.A former WR1 is an indication of former supremacy.It is not possible to be WR1 by just maximising tournament attendance.A player has to be able to reach or win finals most of the time to attain WR1.Sometimes they achieved it with assists (eg LD) and sometimes on their own(eg LCW) Certainly it's gonna be a lot tougher for LCW to maintain his WR1 on his own steam.
The interesting thing about LCW is that he has reached WR1 when there's still lots of room for improvement.Eg his tactics.As LM said,it's still behind LD. Can you imagine LCW playing even better when his tactics is superior even when his speed is less?
But to say that CHN seems not interested in WR is first class diplomacy.If CHN is not interested in WR, why would they bother to win? It's just not easy for CHN now as long as non-CHN teams maintain or increase their budget and continue to send their players for exposure.Non-CHN BAs determine CHN's progress through their participation strategy.Previously,non-CHN increase their budget for Olympics year.If they are smart, they should maintain or increase their budgets until their stars are more established in the rankings.Then they can cut down the budget to just maintain exposure for their top players.

Currently, if Lee Chong Wei's participation rate remains unchanged, he would surely hold the No.1 position for the next 12 months (that is to mid-2010).

Currently, if Lin Dan is to participate in more tournaments, he could be the most likely candidate to topple LCW by mid-2010. But CHN does not seem interested.

Some have said that Chen Long could be the one to topple Lee Chong Wei. If that is to happen, perhaps it could only be by early 2011. But we don't think it would happen if Lin Dan is still here. Why? Because we don't see that Chen Long is a better player than Lin Dan.

So here we are saying that if Lin Dan remains as the No.1 MS player for CHN, Chen Long would never get a chance to overtake Lee Chong Wei.

However, if Lin Dan is to allow Chen Long to become CHN's No.1 player, then perhaps Chen Long could topple Lee Chong Wei. But we know that Super Dan is a much better player than Chen Long (for the coming year or two).

Currently, we cannot find newer stronger Mens Singles players from Denmark, Indonesia, Korea, etc... Yes, perhaps some could appear later, perhaps in 2010 or in 2011. But it won't be likely that they could take away Lee Chong Wei' No.1 position by the time the 2012 Olympic Games Badminton event arrives.
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Lets not underrestimate badminton playing nations like Indonesia, Denmark, South Korea etc by one stroke of a brush, 'cannot find'. These nations have a successful tradition competing and winning the highest honours in badminton i.e OG gold, WC & AE.

Apr 2009 till OG 2012 is still a long way off. Anything can happen along the way.

LCW, by participating alone wont be guaranteed that WR1 spot because you need to be raking em' titles in by the bus loads to be WR1. Participation, good looks. sense of humour and all dont count.

It is not impossible for Chen Long or whoever from China to topple LCW even though he may not be as good as LD. As you have said, LD will only be participating in certain selected tournaments.

LCW is 27 years old and if you look at our Malaysian shuttlers track record, most of them will slide downhill once they hit their late 20s.

by maintaining my world number 1, in 2010, i will be conferred "Tan Sri". by 2011, i will be 'Datuk Seri'. as i retired in 2012 with world number 1, i will be "Tun". when i am retired, what or why care about winning? big titles? AE champion? WC champion? Tun drifit.... no regret

by maintaining my world number 1, in 2010, i will be conferred "Tan Sri". by 2011, i will be 'Datuk Seri'. as i retired in 2012 with world number 1, i will be "Tun". when i am retired, what or why care about winning? big titles? AE champion? WC champion? Tun drifit.... no regret

Are you trying to mock the ability to maintain a WR1? Why don't you do it when LD was WR1? How long was LD WR1?Are you suggesting LD's WR1 was laughable? I find this post embarrassing.Maybe it's a mod's privilege.

If you poll BCers, majority would concur with Dato Asbullah and Dato LCW would admit LD is a better player. If you look at ex-CHN baddy players, whether by sheer winning achievements or length of time being the top gun in the game (i.e. the one to beat, now that is called pressure), LD could the best of them all, even top ZJH (I am bias because to me ZJH is the best player I ever seen play this game). Therefore, LCW being 2nd to LD is not a bad compliment, if LD is not playing in the same era as LCW, LCW could win a fair share of titles and LCW/TH could rule supreme during this era.With LD pick-choose when to play, it is quite possible for LCW to be WR1 for a while but I ain’t optimistic till OG12 because 3.5 yrs is a lifetime in badminton and a lot can still happens, even cows could fly by then Also, CJ and CL (and other young guns) could catch up because they will play a lot till OG12 (LYB will want 3 players in OG), they are young, will improve and win their fair share. The longer LCW keeps WR1, the bonus he collects RM180K a year plus winnings, lifetime pension (OG08 silver), endorsements, etc., that is big time business, of course the Dato or even Tan Sri titles are icing on the cake. LCW is the most successful MAS baddy player of all time in terms of $$$ earnings, only LD and maybe TH can pass him or some KOR players can match him. That is good for LCW and good for MAS baddy, it provides incentive for others to know that playing baddy (only if you are very good) is rewarding and has a future, otherwise potential players may choose to be book worms than to play baddy. But if players are no bloody good, they better be good at frying chow-kwai-teoh as a second careerLD has won more titles than anyone in history, one or more SS makes no difference to his legacy whereas one more OG12 gold, one or two AGs, more AEs and more WCs would surely makes him a legend over legends, a mark I can’t see anyone breaking in my lifetime. With LD reportedly making US4M last year, winning a SS is a measly US$20K and he only gets to keep half of that, why even bother risking injury, tired and over-exposure with so much hard work and the winnings can barely buy 2 Luis Vetton handbags for XXF unless we are talking about Chi-Cheung-Kai (Petaling Street) knock-offsI can see LD training hard and play just enough to maintain top 2 placing in CHN team and gets to qualify for the majors, and when he does play, remains fresh and beat out whoever is the WR1 and make a mockery of the ranking system.Of the 4 majors, the #1 target is one more OG12 gold and LD retires. I am just talking out loud, I guess LD is kicking himself for losing in OG04, because had he won OG04 gold, that could be 3 OG golds…guarantee for sure, a mark no one will, can or think of matching.