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To re-cap, a player on a team who has lost 20 of their last 21 games is talking trash about beating a team who has won 21 straight games. I mean, strange things happen, and any given Sunday, and all that, but now is not the time to run your mouth off!

Re: Numbskull of the Day: Joey Porter

He really gets into people's heads. Winslow looks like an entirely different player against us now that Joey is gone and he isn't afraid of him anymore.

James Harrison is a better OLB now, but he doesn't scare people like Joey did/ does. And he's not even close to the player that Joey was at his prime.

Of course, at his prime, Joey was almost at the Gregg Lloyd level of striking fear into his opponents.

Joey's only problem is that he hasn't figured out yet that its the rest of the Dolphins backing him up, not the Steelers defense.

Bill Cowher let him run his mouth because it almost always worked out in the intended direction - his teammates would bust their butts to make sure he didn't look bad. He's hoping to get the same reaction in Miami, but I think his new teammates would rather cash their paychecks.

Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
And life itself, rushing over me
Life itself, the wind in black elms,
Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

Re: Numbskull of the Day: Joey Porter

Good old Joey. 3 tackles in two weeks. Mouthed off in 2004 saying he would get payback for the AFC title game loss to the Patriots in 2001. OOPS. Mouthed off last year, guaranteeing a win over Oakland and Duante Culpepper. OOPS.

The dude racks up more stupid remarks than tackles at this late stage of his career. It' a wonder Parcells keeps him around to "lead" the young players. Tell them how to be a jack-arse off the field and slow & out of position on the field.

Re: Numbskull of the Day: Joey Porter

He's also backed up most of his mouthing-off, and he is a lockerroom and off-field leader.

He's the one that spearheaded the Steelers players all wearing Dick LeBeau throwbacks when they went to Detroit for the SB.

His game is clearly in decline, or he'd still be in Pittsburgh. He wasn't much of a player at all in our 8-8 season following the SB. And he was probably starting to show signs of weakness the year of the SB run - he was the heart-and-soul of the defense but no better than the team's third best LB (behind Hagaans and Farrior).

I'd hardly blame him for either the '01 or '04 postseason failures of the Steelers. Special teams, too many pass attempts, and just plain clutch play from the Patriots.

(Hint: its an act, he's trying to get his teammates to step up.)

Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
And life itself, rushing over me
Life itself, the wind in black elms,
Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

Re: Numbskull of the Day: Joey Porter

He really gets into people's heads. Winslow looks like an entirely different player against us now that Joey is gone and he isn't afraid of him anymore.

James Harrison is a better OLB now, but he doesn't scare people like Joey did/ does. And he's not even close to the player that Joey was at his prime.

Of course, at his prime, Joey was almost at the Gregg Lloyd level of striking fear into his opponents.

Joey's only problem is that he hasn't figured out yet that its the rest of the Dolphins backing him up, not the Steelers defense.

Bill Cowher let him run his mouth because it almost always worked out in the intended direction - his teammates would bust their butts to make sure he didn't look bad. He's hoping to get the same reaction in Miami, but I think his new teammates would rather cash their paychecks.

Doesn't look like Winslow is scared of Porter to me. Porter is a scrub and probably one of the least liked guys in the NFL with good reason. You of all people should remember when he shoved an injured Todd Heap to the ground when they were lining up just to spike the ball to save a timeout...and thats just one of his mini tyrades. He and a bunch of his thug friends jumped Levi Jones 4 on 1..wow what a tough guy. Hope you don't live next door to the guy either..doesn't seem to keep a handle on his pitbulls.

And on a side note, I would blame Winslows lack of stats against the Steelers largely because Charlie Frye was the starting QB for the Browns and Winslow was coming off of a catastrophic knee injury, not Joey Porter..he sucks in pass coverage anyways. Winslow is just now starting to be 100%.

Re: Numbskull of the Day: Joey Porter

Yeah, once.

J-Peezy got the better of him dozens of times.

Porter doesn't mean to offend anybody but Kellen Winslow.

Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
And life itself, rushing over me
Life itself, the wind in black elms,
Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

Give me a break, Winslow was practically a rookie in 2006 (the only season that he faced a Steelers Porter). He played 2 games in 04 before suffering a broken right fibula that kept him out the entire season. Then before the 05 season started, he got in a motorcycle accident and missed that entire year as well.

You have a pretty small sample size as well, given the fact that Winslow just met the Steelers Porter twice. And Moses' clip shows that Winslow got the better of him at least once. Also, one of Winslow's 3 2006 TD's came against Pittsburgh.

I would certainly hope that "J-Peezy" (I can't believe I just typed that) would have gotten the better of a guy who had played just 2 games in 2 years because of 2 devastating injuries. It would have been flat out embarrassing if he didn't, considering Porter was like an 8 year vet at the time and had made Pro Bowls.

Your acting as if it's some sort of noteworthy accomplishment when a pro bowl linebacker takes care of a guy who was for all practical purposes a rookie. That would be almost as bad as me bragging that Marvin Harrison schooled a rookie Cortland Finnegan in 2006 (can't remember what he did on him specifically, just making a point).

I mean, it's not like he was owning TO or Marvin Harrison. He was getting the better of a guy that was practically a ROOKIE.

Re: Numbskull of the Day: Joey Porter

Yeah, he was looking over his shoulder or away from the ball, wondering where the hit was coming from.

Now, he just drops passes the regular Braylon-Edwards way.

Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
And life itself, rushing over me
Life itself, the wind in black elms,
Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

Re: Numbskull of the Day: Joey Porter

Huh? If a LB like Joey is getting the better of a WR, its a fourth-stringer, not a gamebreaker like TO or Marvin. They would never put a LB in coverage for a #1/ #2 WR. Double-coverage, perhaps, but not in Pittsburgh's scheme.

Joey covered the TE or RB when he wasn't blitzing.

I would have said Jarramy Stevens, as that is a better example of the Joey Porter effect, but the Steelers just played the Browns and Winslow actually had two plays - mostly against Polamalu who is a bit undersized against Winslow by 6 inches and forty pounds - that he wouldn't have had if Joey were on the field. We didn't play the Seahawks last Sunday so I didn't use that reference. Sorry.

There's no way Winslow even tries to tip the ball to himself if Joey is anywhere near him. Joey would have hit him hard enough to knock him into next week. And Winslow knows it.

Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
And life itself, rushing over me
Life itself, the wind in black elms,
Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

Re: Numbskull of the Day: Joey Porter

Perhaps you've never seen him looking over his shoulders when there is a hard hitting LB like Porter on the field?

He plays differently against Troy, because he has a size advantage.

I've seen a difference in him based on matchups.

Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
And life itself, rushing over me
Life itself, the wind in black elms,
Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

Re: Numbskull of the Day: Joey Porter

I didn't watch the game, but it looks like Joey Porter had three sacks, forced a fumble, and the Dolphins defense held the Pats to 216 total yards.

I know Cassel is not Brady, but that's a big game from the 'fins defense.

Maybe he isn't such a numbskull after all...

Joey can't do that week-in and week-out any more, but he can still have big games on occasion.

Last edited by Jay@Section12; 09-21-2008 at 11:34 PM.
Reason: Addendum

Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
And life itself, rushing over me
Life itself, the wind in black elms,
Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

Re: Numbskull of the Day: Joey Porter

If I were you, I would claim you put the logos in the wrong order. You were close on the actual score, though.

Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
And life itself, rushing over me
Life itself, the wind in black elms,
Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

Re: Numbskull of the Day: Joey Porter

I just saw this. 12 career INTs for a LB/ former DE that is primarily a pass rusher and run stopper is nothing to sneeze at. While he mostly plays going foward, he could play the entire field vertically in his prime.

Again, I wouldn't put him in pass coverage much at this stage of his career.

Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
And life itself, rushing over me
Life itself, the wind in black elms,
Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

Re: Numbskull of the Day: Joey Porter

Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
And life itself, rushing over me
Life itself, the wind in black elms,
Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you