veganchowhound - Latest Commentshttp://veganchowhound.disqus.com/Vegan Blog.enWed, 24 Oct 2018 06:36:26 -0000Re: People Hate Vegans, Freud Could Explain Whyhttp://veganchowhound.com/rants/people-hate-vegans-freud-could-explain-why/#comment-4159967175<p>i’m not going to waste my time talking you into stopping insulting other people anymore. Take a good look at what you just said-to me,it’s quite equivalent to hoping someone would die.In any case,have a nice day-and by all means,keep doing what you’re doing.(I mean,you want to do it anyway,so it’s not like I can stop you.) If only you’ll just realise how this beheaviour is exactly what stops other people from being vegan. Maybe one day,you’ll look back and regret having said so much words that hurt people,regardless of if you’re vegan or not.</p>Vivi SiowWed, 24 Oct 2018 06:36:26 -0000Re: People Hate Vegans, Freud Could Explain Whyhttp://veganchowhound.com/rants/people-hate-vegans-freud-could-explain-why/#comment-4159672868<p>*facepalm!* let me know when you come back to reality and we can have a discussion, for now all i read was 'blah blah blah insert bullshit excuse____ blah blah blah insert next bullshit excuse ____ blah blah' ..I stand by what I said before, there is no hope for delusional humanoid robots like yourself who do not feel empathy and think that needlessly killing others for taste pleasures is somehow a 'personal choice.' Yes, and I'm sure the animals having their throats slashed in their infancy get a 'choice' too right? I think you know the answers to your stupid questions so I'm not going to bother, I know people like you and although there is a 2% chance of an epiphany moment and change at some point, the more likely outcome is a premature death from cancer or cardio vascular disease, which in all honesty, taking the planet and its inhabitants into consideration, can't come soon enough.</p>Alborz AjeliTue, 23 Oct 2018 23:51:51 -0000Re: People Hate Vegans, Freud Could Explain Whyhttp://veganchowhound.com/rants/people-hate-vegans-freud-could-explain-why/#comment-4094139235<p>Yes,but the thing is that the supplement is manmade and chemically induced. Older people might need it(I didn’t know about that,so it’s news to me. Thanks for the info btw!),but the fact that vegans need to take supplements just to continue their lifestyle...well my opinion it is that there shouldn’t really be a need for supplement if you can eat something else for it,especially since whichever supplement you take is something not natural.</p><p>For number 2,I would like to point out that the sources you directed me are veganism sources,and hence are technically biased towards veganism. I see your point,but I disagree with it-i’ve listened to some ex vegans,and they were very sorry to have to turn to meat. They had tried many eating plans over the years,but some didn’t help. I mainly believe that they switched due to their own health,because if it really was societal pressure and taste preferences,they would have never tried veganism in the first place for such a Long time.</p><p>Number 3. I agree and disagree with this. We have the technology for a vegan diet-healthy to some people,but detrimental to some people. Perhaps the day might come where people can wholly survive on plants themselves,but the problem right now is that there’s ex vegans who cannot. As for the industry part,I disagree with the cruel treatment for animals. They should live happier lives before their eventual death at least. As for the human benefit part,my response to that is that it’s the cycle of life. Animals kill animals for their continued survival,ergo,their benefit. We take both animal and plant life for our benefit as well. I’d also like to point out that humans,themselves,are also an animal-those that need meat,and hence take meat,have the right to do so and people should understand their need for such. I won’t stop vegans from using the vegan diet,but I really,really,really disapprove of their methods of recruiting people to their ‘cause’,especially when it’s true that some people have no choice but to eat meat for their continued life. I disapprove of it not only because of that,but also because even with all their talk on non discrimination between animals,they’re discriminating against plants,which is also a living being.</p><p>I respect your perspective,and I hope you respect mine. I read your words about Long term vegans,and i’d like to add that the reason why I believe that some people need meat,and some people don’t comes from the number of ex-vegans and vegans themselves.</p>Vivi SiowThu, 13 Sep 2018 17:41:21 -0000Re: People Hate Vegans, Freud Could Explain Whyhttp://veganchowhound.com/rants/people-hate-vegans-freud-could-explain-why/#comment-4093004979<p>Only really B12, which older people need to supplement regardless of diet too. See <a href="https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5130103/" rel="nofollow noopener" title="https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5130103/">https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.go...</a><br>People mainly quit vegan due to taste preferences and societal pressures (See the response to Blaire White by Mic the Vegan and Vegan Gains). Also, what about all the people who have successfully been long term vegans (See Jehina Malik, a female body builder who has been vegan since BIRTH)?</p><p>Maybe in pre-technology times meat would have been necessary for survival, but today we have the technology to create a healthy vegan diet. In conjunction with this, the technology has also enabled the meat industry to become extremely cruel, with baby male chicks being grinded to death in the masses, cows/pigs/chickens ect being feed unhealthily large amounts to fatten them up for cooking, egg hens living in slavery. While deaths and accidents are normal (such as animals hunting other animals, or even humans doing in many years ago), an institutionalized system of raising animals in horrid conditions for the sole purpose of human benefit is not.</p>Mikayla SimsThu, 13 Sep 2018 07:04:43 -0000Re: People Hate Vegans, Freud Could Explain Whyhttp://veganchowhound.com/rants/people-hate-vegans-freud-could-explain-why/#comment-4069917492<p>Of course,otherwise,why would this matter be this blown up? Meat eaters on one side,plant eaters on the other. Geez.</p>Vivi SiowFri, 31 Aug 2018 03:43:37 -0000Re: People Hate Vegans, Freud Could Explain Whyhttp://veganchowhound.com/rants/people-hate-vegans-freud-could-explain-why/#comment-4069914988<p>I think I replied to you before. But just in case I didn’t-<br>Firstly,if every single one of us didn’t need meat to survive,there wouldn’t be ex-vegans. <br>Secondly,it is well known that vegans have to rely on a supplement.<br>Thirdly,humans are classified as omnivores. Not herbivores,or carnivores,but OMNIVORES. The wild kill their prey for survival,just as humans do kill animals for their meat,for survival. To survive. If you understand this point,then I shouldn’t need to say why some people need meat. Your ‘we’ only includes humans who can survive without meat-spare a thought for those that need it.</p>Vivi SiowFri, 31 Aug 2018 03:41:02 -0000Re: People Hate Vegans, Freud Could Explain Whyhttp://veganchowhound.com/rants/people-hate-vegans-freud-could-explain-why/#comment-4020377238<p>This article demonstrates admirably why people hate vegans.</p><p>Though not, one suspects, in quite the way the author had intended...</p>michael goveFri, 03 Aug 2018 12:02:27 -0000Re: People Hate Vegans, Freud Could Explain Whyhttp://veganchowhound.com/rants/people-hate-vegans-freud-could-explain-why/#comment-4009240308<p>Then by all means,tell me how you know people around the world,which are billions and more,can possibly have the exact same constitutions as the vegans. Because clearly,there are quite a bit of ex vegans who apparently couldn’t survive your diet,including the parents who try to feed their babies vegan and the vegans who guilt trip people into doing so,where they shouldn’t be guilty in the first place. Correction : Some people don’t need meat to survive in the 21st century.</p>Vivi SiowFri, 27 Jul 2018 13:03:37 -0000Re: People Hate Vegans, Freud Could Explain Whyhttp://veganchowhound.com/rants/people-hate-vegans-freud-could-explain-why/#comment-4008870904<p>Wild kill their prey for survival ... We don't need meat to survive in the 21st century</p>Mikayla SimsFri, 27 Jul 2018 09:27:03 -0000Re: People Hate Vegans, Freud Could Explain Whyhttp://veganchowhound.com/rants/people-hate-vegans-freud-could-explain-why/#comment-3962847384<p>Well,i’ve been literally telling every single one of you that some people need to survive on meat and vegetables,not entirely on vegetables because they can’t take in as nutrition! It is not cruel to take what is necessary for living. Yes,NECESSARY. It is recommended to take some meat and a lot of vegetables. I am explaining on the internet WHY and WHY vegans shouldn’t just guilt trip people into failing their health when they can’t even be responsible for it! Since you’re vegan,by your way of speaking,don’t you realise that vegans need to take supplementary pills for vitamins such as B12?! It’s only with excessive meat consumption does all these problems arise. It is only cruel if we prolong the suffering of the animals that we need meat from. Yes,it is not cruel,I am emphasising this to vegans...not because i’m some supposedly murderer/pathetic shit(courtesy of your group! This is slander! Look at what your fellow vegans deigned to say. If you wanted to convince people,can’t you be honest? Say that you cannot be responsible if they chose to follow the diet,with no guilt trips involved when there’s no guilt in the first place?!)(NOT to even mention that one person that literally told me to kill myself for eating meat,like they never did before they switched?) We’re omnivores,NOT herbivores. You can’t possibly say that all humans have the same constitution and can sustain the same plant based diet. That’s more than a billion humans you’re talking about! Some of us can and some of us LITERALLY CAN’T. Environmentally,I completely doubt there would be enough space to house all plants for billions of humans,if they can even live with the diet without some of them dying off. If we were to switch over to it anyway,how do you expect all the animals to go? Let them in the wild to be eaten? And then how are you going to supply a variety of plants that have different nutrition that’s necessary for us humans? It is known that you need a variety of vegetables to supplement nutrition as a vegan. Not only would we need all this,we would also have to consider where we bought stuff from. It is good to buy from local areas to reduce more airplanes using stuff that hurts the environment to fly food from other areas...</p><p>I’m going to leave it at that. THINK about what you say. And if you have any ideas to these problems then please enlighten me,even if you vegans keep saying you all have debunked it a million times over.</p><p>Also. Telling someone to continue the diet while their health is dying off is a different kind of cruel,if you look at it from this perspective.</p>Vivi SiowWed, 27 Jun 2018 04:02:22 -0000Re: People Hate Vegans, Freud Could Explain Whyhttp://veganchowhound.com/rants/people-hate-vegans-freud-could-explain-why/#comment-3961452030<p>Glad you understand.<br>And if that was sarcasm,you better take a look around the internet. Or open your eyes and use common sense. Obviously people who sell vegetables would want more people to come buy vegetables,the same goes with people who sell meat.</p>Vivi SiowTue, 26 Jun 2018 08:04:34 -0000Re: People Hate Vegans, Freud Could Explain Whyhttp://veganchowhound.com/rants/people-hate-vegans-freud-could-explain-why/#comment-3960786785<p>Wow...I think you guys have the ‘elaborate defence mechanism” instead of me. After all,aren’t you all the ones calling people stupid,murderer and and all kinds of other words? Does wonders for my worsening thoughts on this group of vegans.</p>Vivi SiowMon, 25 Jun 2018 18:31:27 -0000Re: People Hate Vegans, Freud Could Explain Whyhttp://veganchowhound.com/rants/people-hate-vegans-freud-could-explain-why/#comment-3960008142<p>yes the fruit and vegetable lobby is behind all of this...</p>Joseph AmodeoMon, 25 Jun 2018 09:57:53 -0000Re: People Hate Vegans, Freud Could Explain Whyhttp://veganchowhound.com/rants/people-hate-vegans-freud-could-explain-why/#comment-3960003563<p>thats basically like saying... it is my personal choice to do something that is extremely bad for my body and the environment... let alone cruel... and other people have good reasons for chosing not to do it... but dont explain on the internet why they chose not to do it... especially by exploring others mistakes and their consequences...</p>Joseph AmodeoMon, 25 Jun 2018 09:54:33 -0000Re: People Hate Vegans, Freud Could Explain Whyhttp://veganchowhound.com/rants/people-hate-vegans-freud-could-explain-why/#comment-3959999994<p>ladies and gentlemen... the most elaborate defense mechanism ever concieved</p>Joseph AmodeoMon, 25 Jun 2018 09:51:55 -0000Re: People Hate Vegans, Freud Could Explain Whyhttp://veganchowhound.com/rants/people-hate-vegans-freud-could-explain-why/#comment-3954620096<p>Dunno if i ever replied to you,but why not debunk my last Q,since you all have debunked it ‘only 15 billion times’? Surely one more person should be ‘englightened’ to your veganism,no? What you call ‘BS’ can actually hurt people who cannot absorb nutrients like you vegans can-just saying that your way of living might not necessarily mean others could. Carnist implies that I eat entirely meat-which I do not. But if it means that I just eat meat,then yah,why not? I’m tired of explaining to vegans that some people eat meat because they can’t follow the plant based diet or they literally die off slowly,painfully,unaware of their failing nutrition. I love how you try to insult my person.(please read-sarcasm). Thanks for proving the stereotype of a hostile vegan. (Aka,insults to people who are not vegan and eat meat.)</p>Vivi SiowThu, 21 Jun 2018 12:39:07 -0000Re: People Hate Vegans, Freud Could Explain Whyhttp://veganchowhound.com/rants/people-hate-vegans-freud-could-explain-why/#comment-3856686890<p>Ha ha ha! Trolls!</p>Micaela Marguerite KerleySun, 15 Apr 2018 14:41:37 -0000Re: People Hate Vegans, Freud Could Explain Whyhttp://veganchowhound.com/rants/people-hate-vegans-freud-could-explain-why/#comment-3757550139<p>Heya!I saw you reply to me,but I couldn’t find it anywhere so I decided to reply here. I hope you don’t mind. :)<br>There is a reason why I said some people can survive on plant based diet and why I said that some cannot. There are examples like the entire culture of india(that you typed) and a number of ex vegans,which lead to my conclusion of the above.</p><p>Also,although you realise there is a risk,I believe that everyone has their own,unique constitution and thus,cannot follow the plant based diet. There are also a number of ex vegans who had other similar,like minded people before their conversion back to the original diet that had praised them for their own planned nuritional diet,yet still became malnourished and had to eat some meat. There are also those that had success doing so,which also leads to the conclusion I have on the first paragraph.</p><p>Sure,you’re saying that they didn’t say to live off grains. The problem is that the ones I have seen so far told us to eat said grains. But,ignoring that problem,I could see the point they’re trying to make. However,there’s still the problem of how much land would be needed to feed the human population,and if everyone could actually survive only on plant based.(which,I don’t believe since there are people who tried,and turned back. But yet people who had success.) As for the information you typed to me,I would like to know where you got the source from. This is not meant to offend you,but I am actually quite doubtful about how they get this information. Was there studies and research papers on it,or have they done their own research themselves and estimated this? Or was it just from images on the internet? Although it would be great if people who follow this diet could help save the environment,I also believe that risking their health to do so would be bad.</p><p>Another thing on plant based diet is that the human body cannot digest insoluble fiber,so I believe too much of just plants would be detrimental. I’ve also heard that it could cause some problems with the intestines,so I would like to know what you believe about it. :)</p><p>I disagree with your opinion that people do not need to take a life to sustain their own life. This is because plants,which vegans eat,are also living things,and animals are living things,too. For fruits,nuts,and anything else-I haven’t decided on my own opinion of those yet. However,I think if one were to eat only fruits and nuts,there would be some kind of nutritional defect as well.</p><p>I hope you start conversations like what we’re having now. It’s just great that people aren’t yelling into my ear and not trying to answer my questions,or try to change my mind without telling me i’m (Insert derogatory terms and implied insults). Thank you if you took the time to read this,and it’s fine if you don’t reply-everyone is busy nowadays,so I’ll understand. I hope you enjoy life! :D</p>Vivi SiowWed, 14 Feb 2018 07:31:22 -0000Re: People Hate Vegans, Freud Could Explain Whyhttp://veganchowhound.com/rants/people-hate-vegans-freud-could-explain-why/#comment-3756455420<p>Explain what mental illness......and why as in due to a Vegan diet alone please.</p>Missy WittTue, 13 Feb 2018 13:49:28 -0000Re: People Hate Vegans, Freud Could Explain Whyhttp://veganchowhound.com/rants/people-hate-vegans-freud-could-explain-why/#comment-3750070892<p>Take it in whatever way you want it. ;P<br>Bye,you took a lot of my attention too~ it was fun while it lasted!</p>Vivi SiowFri, 09 Feb 2018 06:07:06 -0000Re: People Hate Vegans, Freud Could Explain Whyhttp://veganchowhound.com/rants/people-hate-vegans-freud-could-explain-why/#comment-3750032702<p>I take that as a no then.<br>Bye, snowflake, I already gave you too much attention... :)</p>DariusFri, 09 Feb 2018 05:11:51 -0000Re: People Hate Vegans, Freud Could Explain Whyhttp://veganchowhound.com/rants/people-hate-vegans-freud-could-explain-why/#comment-3749517840<p>Anyway. Thanks for your comments. You made me consider some things I haven't think of. I'm not going back to eat meat, but I have to do a better research.</p>Alejandro NarváezThu, 08 Feb 2018 18:29:03 -0000Re: People Hate Vegans, Freud Could Explain Whyhttp://veganchowhound.com/rants/people-hate-vegans-freud-could-explain-why/#comment-3749423278<p>I don't have statistics but I'm not using them as arguments to anything either. But just check this guy Patrik Baboumian. He's a German Bodybuilder, vegan since 2011. If you're right, then he should be dead by now, or he should have anemia. Most people who try to become vegetarians for the first time are pretty young and their families don't know how to help them with a proper diet, so they drop out or get sick. As any vegan or not person would get sick on a bad diet. So if people backs out that's doesn't necessarily proves that you can't follow a vegan diet and be healthy. Also I'm not sure if Psychology Today is a reliable source on nutrition. Why don't you try a better stablished organization like the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations. Here is what they say: <a href="http://agris.fao.org/agris-search/search.do?recordID=US201301622290" rel="nofollow noopener" title="http://agris.fao.org/agris-search/search.do?recordID=US201301622290">http://agris.fao.org/agris-...</a> according to them, the diet is healthy. You only need to take B12 and Omega3, and you're good to go. We can generate D vitamins by exposing our skin to the sun. The "plant life" issue is also misleading. Plants are not sentient beings and lack of central nervous system, so eating a plant doesn't generate suffering as eating an animal does. It's impossible to not have an impact of corse, but if you can reduce your own impact wouldn't be better than just do nothing about it? - And if you're so worry about plants life, then guess how many plants, land, water etc... are needed to raise the animals meat eaters need to eat. All those resources could be used to feed humans directly. So eating meat is also consuming a lot of resources that are necessary to grow the animal you eat. And yes, we are few people, and our impact is insignificant, but we do what we can with the power we have, and fortunately the movement is growing. Vegan haters are decreasing, and people is getting more open to accept us. It's getting even trendy at some places.</p>Alejandro NarváezThu, 08 Feb 2018 17:17:04 -0000Re: People Hate Vegans, Freud Could Explain Whyhttp://veganchowhound.com/rants/people-hate-vegans-freud-could-explain-why/#comment-3749315990<p>What about you?Was there any point to your comments? My point was that you needed to chill. XD It wasen’t me that started asking about meeting up,or start something about ovens...</p>Vivi SiowThu, 08 Feb 2018 16:07:26 -0000Re: People Hate Vegans, Freud Could Explain Whyhttp://veganchowhound.com/rants/people-hate-vegans-freud-could-explain-why/#comment-3749209826<p>Where do you get your nutritional info? from Alex Jones?</p>Alejandro NarváezThu, 08 Feb 2018 15:16:22 -0000