So, NYU beats Mich in firm placement, faculty and student quality, is arguably beating them in clerkships, and is tied for academia. Have I missed any categories?

This is just stupid.

And please, define "student quality" (and please think about it for awhile).

You took that quote out of context - if you look back at my original post I made sure to treat student quality not as a certainty (as I did with everything else but with the caveat of taking that category with a grain of salt. Furthermore, I did not nor do I plan to define student quality - Leiter defines them. Again, you know nothing about me. If you did you would know that I have roughly 50 or 60 posts in a long thread arguing that the LSAT is a bad predictor of LS performance and not useful in determining intelligence so I put little stock in student quality but many people disagree so I added the link.

As a general matter - this thread annoys me. I *wasted* my time in an attempt to give someone my perspective (which was solicited not forced onto anyone btw), and much less a thank you all I got was a littany of character assasinations.

Out of all of you the only person who criticized who knows ANYTHING about me is J.

It's kind of ironic that I have been called immature in this thread at least three times, and yet I am arguably the only person in this argument who hasn't resorted to useless character attacks, although I easily could.

Take Halfie for instance - at least three times now he is asserted how much smarter he is than I am - I guess I am not even in his league. Perhaps thats true, but when prompted to produce any sort of proof he resorts to further ad-hominem attacks. I generally don't feel the need to defend my intellect, but you know what I spent four years in college studying my ass off in one of the most difficult majors available and I didn't just do well I broke the curve in every class. I had six figure job offers in IB, in consulting, among other things from as halfie calls it a "TTT" where basically no one else did. I was the ONLY person from my school to get into HLS (within at least the past 5 years). You can argue that I'm an idiot or whatever the hell else you want, but I think I've earned at least a rebuttable presumption of being smart.

If you think the above paragraph is bragging thats good - because it was meant to be.

Wow, demigh I don't know most of these posters so I don't really care what they thinkbut you? Especially after you spent months antogonizing over Penn to become a "prestige-whore" and go to CLS.

See, this is why nobody likes you.

Thats fine J - I don't have much patience for hypocrites who call me a "prestige whore" for going to the best school I got into while they do the exact same thing and presume themselves above it.

Once again, you have proven your superlative capacity to completely and utterly miss the point. Somehow, you manage to read this whole thread and STILL maintain the ridiculous conviction that people hate you because you got to Harvard.

Nobody begrudges you Harvard. Nobody here thinks you are "stupid" (with the possible exception of Halfie, of course.) People dislike you because you are an incredibly arrogant, self-absorbed, self-righteous, elitist snob, as EVERY ONE of your above posts further proves.

NOBODY CARES about your six-figure salary offers or Harvard bull. That stuff impresses people for about 30 seconds... just long enough for you to open you mouth and prove what an irredeemable bag of hot air you are. Blow it out your ass, man. God knows you adore the smell of your own hot gases anyhow.

For the record, I never once said or even implied that anyone hates me because I go to H. For the record, I don't know nor care why any of you hate me - like I said before this is an anonymous message board and I don't take it nearly as seriously as you do. I'm also not out to impress anyone other than myself. I do things because I feel they are better for me - I could care less what you think about my choices.

That's very good for you, man. It's good to be self-defined and all that. But you really don't need to be a condescending, self-righteous prat all the damn time. You don't care what people think of you? That's fine. But there's a difference between being independent of other people's expectations and treating everyone around you like a lesser life-form. You want people to respect you? Develop some compassion and humility.

The people who get real respect and admiration are the ones who achieve enough to impress others without becoming smug, self-satisfied, and superior.

Your ego has outgrown you.

I do care what people think of me - I DONT care what people on an ANONYMOUS message board think of me. Please explain and or link how in my nearly 5300 posts just once I have treated anyone even those who feel the need to attack my character as a "lesser life-form."

"schools such as the University of Michigan, the University of Pennsylvania, the University of Washington, and countless others that send significant portions of their student body to secondary markets are severely underrated in my study"

Umm no, Leiter accounts for class size - he takes clerks over class size in the recent decade its .04 for both

Right, and your comparison of the two time periods ignores this ratio.

No it doesn't: Mich had a higher ratio in the period 91-05 and now they have the same ratio from 96-06; this implies NYU is getting better relative Mich and is at worst equal to Mich and likely better.

"Since many frequently cited articles are cited because they contain succinct statements of boilerplate propositions of law or of a particular academic approach to some set of issues, or because they fall squarely within a particular academic paradigm whose proponents make a practice of citing each other, the frequency of an author's citations has little to do with his influence, much less with the quality of his work. "

---And the SCOTUS rankings are so similar in both terms as to be laughable; your interpretation doesn't account for NYU's larger class size either.

Umm no, Leiter accounts for class size - he takes clerks over class size in the recent decade its .04 for both

"Since many frequently cited articles are cited because they contain succinct statements of boilerplate propositions of law or of a particular academic approach to some set of issues, or because they fall squarely within a particular academic paradigm whose proponents make a practice of citing each other, the frequency of an author's citations has little to do with his influence, much less with the quality of his work. "

Do you have a better or alternative ranking?

It's a lot easier to find methodological flaws (which exist in any rankings system) than to create a better one.

I'll find one that shows the opposite of what you are arguing... it would be just as meaningless.

"Since many frequently cited articles are cited because they contain succinct statements of boilerplate propositions of law or of a particular academic approach to some set of issues, or because they fall squarely within a particular academic paradigm whose proponents make a practice of citing each other, the frequency of an author's citations has little to do with his influence, much less with the quality of his work. "

Do you have a better or alternative ranking?

It's a lot easier to find methodological flaws (which exist in any rankings system) than to create a better one.

As a general matter - this thread annoys me. I *wasted* my time in an attempt to give someone my perspective (which was solicited not forced onto anyone btw), and much less a thank you all I got was a littany of character assasinations.

Out of all of you the only person who criticized who knows ANYTHING about me is J.

It's kind of ironic that I have been called immature in this thread at least three times, and yet I am arguably the only person in this argument who hasn't resorted to useless character attacks, although I easily could.

Take Halfie for instance - at least three times now he is asserted how much smarter he is than I am - I guess I am not even in his league. Perhaps thats true, but when prompted to produce any sort of proof he resorts to further ad-hominem attacks. I generally don't feel the need to defend my intellect, but you know what I spent four years in college studying my ass off in one of the most difficult majors available and I didn't just do well I broke the curve in every class. I had six figure job offers in IB, in consulting, among other things from as halfie calls it a "TTT" where basically no one else did. I was the ONLY person from my school to get into HLS (within at least the past 5 years). You can argue that I'm an idiot or whatever the hell else you want, but I think I've earned at least a rebuttable presumption of being smart.

If you think the above paragraph is bragging thats good - because it was meant to be.

Wow, demigh I don't know most of these posters so I don't really care what they thinkbut you? Especially after you spent months antogonizing over Penn to become a "prestige-whore" and go to CLS.

See, this is why nobody likes you.

Thats fine J - I don't have much patience for hypocrites who call me a "prestige whore" for going to the best school I got into while they do the exact same thing and presume themselves above it.

Once again, you have proven your superlative capacity to completely and utterly miss the point. Somehow, you manage to read this whole thread and STILL maintain the ridiculous conviction that people hate you because you got to Harvard.

Nobody begrudges you Harvard. Nobody here thinks you are "stupid" (with the possible exception of Halfie, of course.) People dislike you because you are an incredibly arrogant, self-absorbed, self-righteous, elitist snob, as EVERY ONE of your above posts further proves.

NOBODY CARES about your six-figure salary offers or Harvard bull. That stuff impresses people for about 30 seconds... just long enough for you to open you mouth and prove what an irredeemable bag of hot air you are. Blow it out your ass, man. God knows you adore the smell of your own hot gases anyhow.

For the record, I never once said or even implied that anyone hates me because I go to H. For the record, I don't know nor care why any of you hate me - like I said before this is an anonymous message board and I don't take it nearly as seriously as you do. I'm also not out to impress anyone other than myself. I do things because I feel they are better for me - I could care less what you think about my choices.

No, please dont miscontrue the question - I really did just want to know your subjective reasons. The rest of your post has flaws that I could respond to as well but then I guess I'd be a prestige whore - good luck at Michigan.

And this is what I get for being not mean? Well, you could attend to my empirical flaws (Where? At least I know of a source apiece that will back me up on what I said, which is more than, thus far, you've given evidence of being able to do), but then you'd be copping to you prestige whoredom? So, did you just admit you're a p-ho, or is being that patronizing a special gift, entirely unrelated to your choice of schooling or feelings about anyone else's?

As a general matter - this thread annoys me. I *wasted* my time in an attempt to give someone my perspective (which was solicited not forced onto anyone btw), and much less a thank you all I got was a littany of character assasinations.

Out of all of you the only person who criticized who knows ANYTHING about me is J.

It's kind of ironic that I have been called immature in this thread at least three times, and yet I am arguably the only person in this argument who hasn't resorted to useless character attacks, although I easily could.

Take Halfie for instance - at least three times now he is asserted how much smarter he is than I am - I guess I am not even in his league. Perhaps thats true, but when prompted to produce any sort of proof he resorts to further ad-hominem attacks. I generally don't feel the need to defend my intellect, but you know what I spent four years in college studying my ass off in one of the most difficult majors available and I didn't just do well I broke the curve in every class. I had six figure job offers in IB, in consulting, among other things from as halfie calls it a "TTT" where basically no one else did. I was the ONLY person from my school to get into HLS (within at least the past 5 years). You can argue that I'm an idiot or whatever the hell else you want, but I think I've earned at least a rebuttable presumption of being smart.

If you think the above paragraph is bragging thats good - because it was meant to be.

i'll pull more tail droppin' my food stamps than he will spendin' his benjamins

Benjamins? I doubt it. As soon as he gets out of school, steve.jd is going to run headfirst into the realization that his fabulous alma mater can't compensate for his putrid personality. He's got leadership potential roughly equivalent to a toilet brush. Perpetual associate in the making!

lol @ bolded

howevah, if the law gig ain't workin' for him i heard he can make like eight hundred dollars and hour programmin' 'puters

This is exactly the reason why many people loathe LSD and prefer to stay on Xoxo. I ask a serious question. Steve.jd gives me a serious answer. Haters and insecures jump on his ass for him speaking his mind.

I'm sorry not everyone can go to Harvard. Its very classless to hate someone simply because they go there.

I can't speak for everyone, obviously, but I don't think anyone chiming in here begrudges Mr. .jd his spot at Harvard.

I, for one, am thrilled he ended up there. Cityslicker, I wish nothing more for you than to love it at Harvard during the ASW and to withdraw from CLS immediately.

Wow, demigh I don't know most of these posters so I don't really care what they think but you? Especially after you spent months antogonizing over Penn to become a "prestige-whore" and go to CLS.