tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13948933.post116011028027678807..comments2017-09-15T11:45:13.573-05:00Comments on Theological Meditations: One of My Favorite Calvin Quotes: On Romans 5:18Tony Byrnehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02102293843397809802noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13948933.post-1160605450818888032006-10-11T17:24:00.000-05:002006-10-11T17:24:00.000-05:00Hi Jon,I would say that Beza is the first KNOWN pr...Hi Jon,<BR/><BR/>I would say that Beza is the first KNOWN proponent of the strict view. We're unable to find out any of the details of Gottschalk's views on the atonement. <BR/><BR/>You're correct about Beza being Calvin's successor and biographer. Whether or not they discussed this matter, we don't know. There's no record of any collaboration on the nature and intent of Christ's death. Some YnottonYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02102293843397809802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13948933.post-1160601373025843702006-10-11T16:16:00.000-05:002006-10-11T16:16:00.000-05:00Tony,Thanks for your response, it was helpful. So...Tony,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for your response, it was helpful. So you think Beza was perhaps one of the earliest proponents of the Protestant Scholastic view? He was Calvin's successor and first biographer, correct? They must have had some interesting discussions about this issue :-)Jon Unyanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09493148530496918623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13948933.post-1160595050629045102006-10-11T14:30:00.000-05:002006-10-11T14:30:00.000-05:00Hi David,Thanks for the additional quote. Once aga...Hi David,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the additional quote. Once again, an honest mind can't help but see the force and sense of these words:<BR/><BR/>"for it is the will of God that we should seek the salvation of <B>all men without exception</B>, as Christ suffered for the sins of <B>the whole world</B>."<BR/><BR/>David clearly hasn't read Paul Helm, Roger Nicole, Robert Godfrey and Jonathan Rainbow onYnottonYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02102293843397809802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13948933.post-1160576689479712292006-10-11T09:24:00.000-05:002006-10-11T09:24:00.000-05:00Hey Tony,This is a good one too. Note how he conne...Hey Tony,<BR/><BR/>This is a good one too. Note how he connects the phrases with "as"<BR/><BR/>37. "Would that they were even cut off." His indignation proceeds still farther, and he prays for destruction on those impostors by whom the Galatians had been deceived. The word, “cut off,” appears to be employed in allusion to the circumcision which they pressed. “They tear the church for the sake of David Ponterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17022914404428264023noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13948933.post-1160570746341232992006-10-11T07:45:00.000-05:002006-10-11T07:45:00.000-05:00Hi Jon,There has been more than one stream or unde...Hi Jon,<BR/><BR/>There has been more than one stream or understanding of the design of Christ’s death within Reformed circles, but the modern resurgence of Protestant Scholastic writings has significantly influenced many important thinkers toward a more strict view. Popular Calvinism today comes from the writings of High Federalist Puritans and other high Calvinists, as it’s filtered through YnottonYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02102293843397809802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13948933.post-1160570195291732892006-10-11T07:36:00.000-05:002006-10-11T07:36:00.000-05:00Hi Kurt,I agree. When so many texts affirm that Go...Hi Kurt,<BR/><BR/>I agree. When so many texts affirm that God desires to save all sinners and that he sent his Son to die for the whole world, we should not deny it, but seek to explain in what sense he died for all, just as Baxter says. As I see it, the strict particularist paradigm cannot satisfactorily account for many passages, which is why they have to employ sophisticated hermeneutical YnottonYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02102293843397809802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13948933.post-1160420795284490032006-10-09T14:06:00.000-05:002006-10-09T14:06:00.000-05:00Hi Tony,I think you attribute the modern misunders...Hi Tony,<BR/><BR/>I think you attribute the modern misunderstanding of limited atonement primarily to John Owen, am I correct? Since later writers such as C. Hodge, Shedd, Dabney, Spring, and others writing in the 19th century had a more accurate understanding of this doctrine, why do you think Owen's position is prevalent today? (you can give the short answer of course, if there is one :-). Jon Unyanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09493148530496918623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13948933.post-1160412228433871742006-10-09T11:43:00.000-05:002006-10-09T11:43:00.000-05:00This interpretation seems to flow much easier and ...This interpretation seems to flow much easier and simpler from the Biblical text than the doctrine of limited atonement as is taught by most Calvanists today. When we have to start working overkill to fit verses into our theology we need to beware and start inspecting our theology to see if there may be another more Biblical answer.Kurt Heinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01847348972043899129noreply@blogger.com