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I bought TMR on vinyl (UK Straight) back in 1997 and like you absolutely loved Pachuco Cadaver from the very first listen. I still find the end section quite moving (steady on 'Drum!). The lyrics are gorgeous - "her lovin' sticks out like straws"Send's a tingle down my spine just thinking about it

The Cap'n really did invent a whole new style of music with Trout Mask...but if it wasn't for Bill Harkleroad he couldn't have done itApparently Don would come up with doodles and piano plonks and leave Bill to arrange it into somethingSo thanks to the Cap'n for wielding the stick...but it's really 75% Zoot Horn Rollo

I still think it's an important landmark in the concept of musicBut if the girlfriend's around I'll put Moonbeams on...otherwise it's Clear Spot, which to me is the ultimate expression of the Trout Mask formula

That said, I agree that Moonlight on Vermont is the best song in the history of the Universe

The Cap'n really did invent a whole new style of music with Trout Mask...but if it wasn't for Bill Harkleroad he couldn't have done itApparently Don would come up with doodles and piano plonks and leave Bill to arrange it into somethingSo thanks to the Cap'n for wielding the stick...but it's really 75% Zoot Horn Rollo

I still think it's an important landmark in the concept of musicBut if the girlfriend's around I'll put Moonbeams on...otherwise it's Clear Spot, which to me is the ultimate expression of the Trout Mask formula

That said, I agree that Moonlight on Vermont is the best song in the history of the Universe

The Cap'n really did invent a whole new style of music with Trout Mask...but if it wasn't for Bill Harkleroad he couldn't have done itApparently Don would come up with doodles and piano plonks and leave Bill to arrange it into somethingSo thanks to the Cap'n for wielding the stick...but it's really 75% Zoot Horn Rollo

according to wikipedia it was john french:

Van Vliet used a piano—an instrument he had never played before—as his main compositional tool. Since he had no experience with the piano and no conventional musical knowledge at all, he was able to experiment with no preconceived ideas of musical form or structure. Beefheart sat at the piano until he found a rhythmic or melodic pattern that he liked. Mike Barnes compared this approach to John Cage's "maverick irreverence toward classical tradition".[12] John French then transcribed this pattern, typically only a measure or two long, into musical notation. After Beefheart was finished French would then piece these fragments together into compositions, reminiscent of the splicing together of disparate source material on Marker's tape. French decided which part would be played on which instrument and taught each player their part, although Van Vliet had final say over the ultimate shape of the product.

i haven't yet been able to find another source to confirm it.

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The Cap'n really did invent a whole new style of music with Trout Mask...but if it wasn't for Bill Harkleroad he couldn't have done itApparently Don would come up with doodles and piano plonks and leave Bill to arrange it into somethingSo thanks to the Cap'n for wielding the stick...but it's really 75% Zoot Horn Rollo

according to wikipedia it was john french:

Van Vliet used a piano—an instrument he had never played before—as his main compositional tool. Since he had no experience with the piano and no conventional musical knowledge at all, he was able to experiment with no preconceived ideas of musical form or structure. Beefheart sat at the piano until he found a rhythmic or melodic pattern that he liked. Mike Barnes compared this approach to John Cage's "maverick irreverence toward classical tradition".[12] John French then transcribed this pattern, typically only a measure or two long, into musical notation. After Beefheart was finished French would then piece these fragments together into compositions, reminiscent of the splicing together of disparate source material on Marker's tape. French decided which part would be played on which instrument and taught each player their part, although Van Vliet had final say over the ultimate shape of the product.

i haven't yet been able to find another source to confirm it.

Thanks sleepinginajar, I stand corrected,I always remembered it as Zoot Horn, but I remembered wrongI still think Zoot Horn's manic styling contributed a lot to that album tho', heh

The Cap'n really did invent a whole new style of music with Trout Mask...but if it wasn't for Bill Harkleroad he couldn't have done itApparently Don would come up with doodles and piano plonks and leave Bill to arrange it into somethingSo thanks to the Cap'n for wielding the stick...but it's really 75% Zoot Horn Rollo

according to wikipedia it was john french:

Van Vliet used a piano—an instrument he had never played before—as his main compositional tool. Since he had no experience with the piano and no conventional musical knowledge at all, he was able to experiment with no preconceived ideas of musical form or structure. Beefheart sat at the piano until he found a rhythmic or melodic pattern that he liked. Mike Barnes compared this approach to John Cage's "maverick irreverence toward classical tradition".[12] John French then transcribed this pattern, typically only a measure or two long, into musical notation. After Beefheart was finished French would then piece these fragments together into compositions, reminiscent of the splicing together of disparate source material on Marker's tape. French decided which part would be played on which instrument and taught each player their part, although Van Vliet had final say over the ultimate shape of the product.

i haven't yet been able to find another source to confirm it.

Thanks sleepinginajar, I stand corrected,I always remembered it as Zoot Horn, but I remembered wrongI still think Zoot Horn's manic styling contributed a lot to that album tho', heh

Zoot Horn had a similar role on Lick My Decals Off, Baby. Using a tape recorder to take down Don's ideas then arranging and teaching them to the rest of the band.

The more I listen to it the more I pick up different things. It is such a bizarre and wonderful album. I think that if you understand the album their is something messed up with you...when people say tome they don't get it, I say "good, it means you were brought up properly" lol...the scary thing is I am starting to understand it myself.

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