With used cars, it's still like new ones. Supply and demand. If people are getting rid of a lot of ZL1s and they end up on car lots, then prices will plummet because of market saturation levels, which basically dictates your depreciation. If a car is still hot items, depreciation is slowed. People stop buying the new ones, the used market falls, too.

But familiarity breeds contempt, and with markets getting saturated with ZL1s, it's not a stretch to buy a new one from a normal used price with the discounts many dealers are willing to give. This further suppresses used car prices to get that elusive sweet spot in the difference of the price of a new and used version.

It's not always the best method, but if you want to save some jack on a ZL1 and be reasonably confident that the car is still a good one, buying a low-mile used one from an original owner is normally a good bet. There's an excellent chance the car has been well taken care of and you still don't have to pay new car price.

But it won't have much of an effect with only 500 Z/28s to contend with this year. They already have problems selling. Hence the $500 cash back on ZL1s.

The Z/28 has a very limited target market. Most people do not want such a "raw" car. The ZL1 has all the creature comforts and is faster in a straight line. It is also fast enough for most people on the track. Most won't want to pay the $20k premium for the Z/28 and only pick up a little more track capability. GM had to be pretty disappointed that the Z/28 only beat the ZL1 by 4 seconds (I think that was the difference) around the Nurburgring. I know it was wet, but GM was hoping for a wider time spread in order to validate the Z/28's large price premium.

The Z/28 is more of a advertisement for GM/Chevy's racing capabilities. They won't make much $$$ on the Z/28 directly, but it will certainly bring buyers into the lower Camaro trims.

Think of it: The SS is a niche car to begin with, the ZL1 even more of a niche car, with the Z/28 only shrinking the pool of potential buyers even more. None of the 3 should affect the other's values, unless there is some kind of a design flaw that they all share.

The Z/28 has a very limited target market. Most people do not want such a "raw" car. The ZL1 has all the creature comforts and is faster in a straight line. It is also fast enough for most people on the track. Most won't want to pay the $20k premium for the Z/28 and only pick up a little more track capability. GM had to be pretty disappointed that the Z/28 only beat the ZL1 by 4 seconds (I think that was the difference) around the Nurburgring. I know it was wet, but GM was hoping for a wider time spread in order to validate the Z/28's large price premium.

The Z/28 is more of a advertisement for GM/Chevy's racing capabilities. They won't make much $$$ on the Z/28 directly, but it will certainly bring buyers into the lower Camaro trims.

Think of it: The SS is a niche car to begin with, the ZL1 even more of a niche car, with the Z/28 only shrinking the pool of potential buyers even more. None of the 3 should affect the other's values, unless there is some kind of a design flaw that they all share.

With used cars, it's still like new ones. Supply and demand. If people are getting rid of a lot of ZL1s and they end up on car lots, then prices will plummet because of market saturation levels, which basically dictates your depreciation. If a car is still hot items, depreciation is slowed. People stop buying the new ones, the used market falls, too.

But familiarity breeds contempt, and with markets getting saturated with ZL1s, it's not a stretch to buy a new one from a normal used price with the discounts many dealers are willing to give. This further suppresses used car prices to get that elusive sweet spot in the difference of the price of a new and used version.

It's not always the best method, but if you want to save some jack on a ZL1 and be reasonably confident that the car is still a good one, buying a low-mile used one from an original owner is normally a good bet. There's an excellent chance the car has been well taken care of and you still don't have to pay new car price.

But it won't have much of an effect with only 500 Z/28s to contend with this year. They already have problems selling. Hence the $500 cash back on ZL1s.

I agree, but I think the biggest factors are the Z/28's low production numbers (not enough to move the ZL1 market) and its price point. They are not close in price.

I guess its kind of like saying will the ZL1 push the price down on the SS's? I don't think it did.

So, you think that as a percentage of total car sales the people looking for 2 door high powered V-8s with crappy gas mileage is large? Maybe in the 1960's, but nowadays most people go for soulless people movers.

So, you think that as a percentage of total car sales the people looking for 2 door high powered V-8s with crappy gas mileage is large? Maybe in the 1960's, but nowadays most people go for soulless people movers.

Prove this theory with facts and numbers. And I'll change my mind. I'll say to you that you were right. Do bring numbers and facts though.

Urban Legend wants some numbers, so here is some. 147,503 Prius Liftback hybrid sales in the US alone in 2012. This doesn't count the 60K plus other Prius family sales in the US for 2012. That would push Prius US sales in 2012 to over 207,000.

84,391 total Camaro sales in 2012. Add the 82,995 Mustang sales 43,119 Challys and you're up there at 210,505 TOTAL pony cars for 2012. And not all of those are V8s.

So that's ALL pony cars vs. 1 model from 1 brand of jelly bean cars. Throw in Toyota Camry's 2012 US sales figures of 404,886 and Camry/Prius 1-2 punch is nearing 610,000 units. So even if 1/2 of all the pony cars are V8s, lets even bump that to 75% for ease- that's 610K vs 157K in 2012. That's 4 times the rate. Extrapolate all the other jelly beans, like Ford Focus' 245,992 in 2012 US sales, and it gets evident pretty fast that only about 4 models or so of the jelly bean cars production dominance gap gets even further out.

There's facts/figures. People don't flock in droves to pony cars in general, period. But with that said, sales figures alone does not a niche car make. The ZL1 is more of a niche vehicle aimed at a certain market. So is the SRT8, GT500, Z/28 and other purpose oriented cars. SS's start at $33K and depending on options, are in the mid 40s or so when you're done. Consider that an inflation-adjusted 1985 loaded out Olds Cutlass cost around $35,000 in today's dollars, I wouldn't say that they're priced in the "niche" market. I concede there are niche versions of the SS, such as the 1LE, HotWheels, etc., but the SS in general would not really be considered a niche vehicle on its own. Sorry. Just doesn't compute and I don't think the numbers could hold it up.

Urban Legend wants some numbers, so here is some. 147,503 Prius Liftback hybrid sales in the US alone in 2012. This doesn't count the 60K plus other Prius family sales in the US for 2012. That would push Prius US sales in 2012 to over 207,000.

84,391 total Camaro sales in 2012. Add the 82,995 Mustang sales 43,119 Challys and you're up there at 210,505 TOTAL pony cars for 2012. And not all of those are V8s.

So that's ALL pony cars vs. 1 model from 1 brand of jelly bean cars. Throw in Toyota Camry's 2012 US sales figures of 404,886 and Camry/Prius 1-2 punch is nearing 610,000 units. So even if 1/2 of all the pony cars are V8s, lets even bump that to 75% for ease- that's 610K vs 157K in 2012. That's 4 times the rate. Extrapolate all the other jelly beans, like Ford Focus' 245,992 in 2012 US sales, and it gets evident pretty fast that only about 4 models or so of the jelly bean cars production dominance gap gets even further out.

There's facts/figures. People don't flock in droves to pony cars in general, period. But with that said, sales figures alone does not a niche car make. The ZL1 is more of a niche vehicle aimed at a certain market. So is the SRT8, GT500, Z/28 and other purpose oriented cars. SS's start at $33K and depending on options, are in the mid 40s or so when you're done. Consider that an inflation-adjusted 1985 loaded out Olds Cutlass cost around $35,000 in today's dollars, I wouldn't say that they're priced in the "niche" market. I concede there are niche versions of the SS, such as the 1LE, HotWheels, etc., but the SS in general would not really be considered a niche vehicle on its own. Sorry. Just doesn't compute and I don't think the numbers could hold it up.

Thanks for the help.

Btw, when I call a V8 Camaro or Mustang a "niche" car, I did not mean to imply they were expensive/exclusive. I mean there is a limited market that they appeal to and they will never be high volume cars.

Both Chevy and Ford sales managers (where I bought my cars) told me the "typical" buyer is a guy over 35yrs. old with a good income. I guess we still remember when the original musclecars still roamed the streets in numbers.