Now i do realize that these vehicles were not tested on the same day, same track, or in the the same conditions nor do I entirely condone the stats retrieved straight from paper and real world results are commonly different. But nonetheless they are considerableSo what do you think of these stats?are they a reliable source?Does an LRA truly handle better than these two befamed sports cars?let's keep this one on topic guys and gals
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Uh.... Wow that's a noted gap on the figure-eight. But even with the GT-R's advancements, I wouldn't doubt the AWD understeer is very much there. The Shelby will plow too, I bet, but the tail can hang more. What's more, isn't the old 5.4L S/C V8 supposed to be replaced by a lighter, more powerful, N/A V8 for the GT500?

I do notice the GT-R is a "Premium." Maybe added features add weight and/or plushness? I don't know what the Premium entails.

edit: Premium is all it comes in. Maybe in anticipation for more.
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Now i do realize that these vehicles were not tested on the same day, same track, or in the the same conditions nor do I entirely condone the stats retrieved straight from paper and real world results are commonly different. But nonetheless they are considerableSo what do you think of these stats?are they a reliable source?Does an LRA truly handle better than these two befamed sports cars?let's keep this one on topic guys and gals

"Does the LRA truly handle better than these two befamed sports cars?"

In short...NO. However, its easy to see that the engineers at Ford have had their work cut out for them to make the car handle much better now than it did back in say 2007 when the gt500firdt came out.

The numbers sound promising though. They should try tackling the GT-R's record "Ring" time. If they can beat that relatively easily I bet they'll have half the world convinced.
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When the GT500 sets records on tracks across the world like the GT-R has, then we'll talk. The 2010 GT-R can outlap the Porsche 997.2 Turbo, GT2, GT3, Audi R8 V10, Lamborghini LP560-4, while also being able to match the Ferrari 458 Italia and Corvette ZR1.

The GT-R has gotten a refresh for 2012 with full chassis (even has a new chassis code) and suspension changes, more downforce, less drag, 35 more HP (520), less weight (crucially including unsprung weight), better cooling, and reworked brakes. In other words, a pretty substantial update despite the admittedly subtle exterior changes. Mizuno (Nissan's chief GT-R engineer) is claiming to have set a new benchmark. Again.

The Shelby (in fact, the Mustang line) is damn impressive and I'm not trying to take anything away from Ford's accomplishment, but I'd wait until the two cars are tested side by side before claiming the GT500 outhandles the GT-R.

And I'll say it again...

Skidpad numbers does not equal handling, it shows sustained grip. Skidpad ratings have very little merit on how a car will handle in the real world. You're talking about circling a 300 ft. diameter circle for a couple of laps. Where will you ever do that in real life? It does nothing to show you how balanced the chassis is, how communicative the steering is, how quick it responds to inputs, how well it copes with off-camber banks, or how flat it corners.

srb23:When the GT500 sets records on tracks across the world like the GT-R has, then we'll talk. The 2010 GT-R can outlap the Porsche 997.2 Turbo, GT2, GT3, Audi R8 V10, Lamborghini LP560-4, while also being able to match the Ferrari 458 Italia and Corvette ZR1.

The GT-R has gotten a refresh for 2012 with full chassis (even has a new chassis code) and suspension changes, more downforce, less drag, 35 more HP (520), less weight (crucially including unsprung weight), better cooling, and reworked brakes. In other words, a pretty substantial update despite the admittedly subtle exterior changes. Mizuno (Nissan's chief GT-R engineer) is claiming to have set a new benchmark. Again.

The Shelby (in fact, the Mustang line) is damn impressive and I'm not trying to take anything away from Ford's accomplishment, but I'd wait until the two cars are tested side by side before claiming the GT500 outhandles the GT-R.

And I'll say it again...

Skidpad numbers does not equal handling, it shows sustained grip. Skidpad ratings have very little merit on how a car will handle in the real world. You're talking about circling a 300 ft. diameter circle for a couple of laps. Where will you ever do that in real life? It does nothing to show you how balanced the chassis is, how communicative the steering is, how quick it responds to inputs, how well it copes with off-camber banks, or how flat it corners.

Example: According to Motor Trend, the Nissan GT-R generates 0.99G while the 370Z generates 1.01G. Are you prepared to tell us the 370Z outhandles it's big brother?

I Absolutely agree,g's and these stats mean very little but just to even dream of a mustang slapping these numbers down is impressive too me.The gt-r is obviously the faster better car, but for a mustang its quite sick especially the figure 8 times
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But again, the figure 8 which is in fact a small track of pylons, is a pretty fair accurate of handling abilities
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interesting comparison. I suspect that the GTR would probably still be faster around the Nurburgring as that is the sole track it was designed for.

Now the GT500 was designed with american tracks in mind which are far less hilly and have far fewer crazy turns. At a track like VIR (virginia) the GT500 might very well beat the GTR as it is definitely faster midrange and coming off corners.

cp_09malibuV6:"Now i do realize that these vehicles were not tested on the same day, same track, or in the the same conditions..."

Yeah that pretty much sums it up. Nice attempt at starting a flame thread.

Not a flame thread. It only concludes there needs to be a shootout between these three cars. The 2011 GT500 is a great track car and is finally a worthy competitor to the fastest track cars.
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srb23:When the GT500 sets records on tracks across the world like the GT-R has, then we'll talk. The 2010 GT-R can outlap the Porsche 997.2 Turbo, GT2, GT3, Audi R8 V10, Lamborghini LP560-4, while also being able to match the Ferrari 458 Italia and Corvette ZR1.

The GT-R has gotten a refresh for 2012 with full chassis (even has a new chassis code) and suspension changes, more downforce, less drag, 35 more HP (520), less weight (crucially including unsprung weight), better cooling, and reworked brakes. In other words, a pretty substantial update despite the admittedly subtle exterior changes. Mizuno (Nissan's chief GT-R engineer) is claiming to have set a new benchmark. Again.

The Shelby (in fact, the Mustang line) is damn impressive and I'm not trying to take anything away from Ford's accomplishment, but I'd wait until the two cars are tested side by side before claiming the GT500 outhandles the GT-R.

And I'll say it again...

Skidpad numbers does not equal handling, it shows sustained grip. Skidpad ratings have very little merit on how a car will handle in the real world. You're talking about circling a 300 ft. diameter circle for a couple of laps. Where will you ever do that in real life? It does nothing to show you how balanced the chassis is, how communicative the steering is, how quick it responds to inputs, how well it copes with off-camber banks, or how flat it corners.

Example: According to Motor Trend, the Nissan GT-R generates 0.99G while the 370Z generates 1.01G. Are you prepared to tell us the 370Z outhandles it's big brother?

I would say close in handling but the GT500 would definitely lose against a GT-R and would probably handle a race against a Vette.

And I know I am going to open a can of worms here but why does everyone keep comparing the GT500 to the Vette GS? If you want to go by price (and I am not including markup here), you can pit the GT500 against the BASE Vette. Both are damn equal in price. A GS starts out at like $5k more then a base GT500....
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