I was curious to see if any of you are on the same page I am, and consider Ellen's role of Libby/"Boltie" to be your favourite among all of her performances... Now, I'm not saying that I think the role is definitely Ellen's best or anything, but I just love Libby!

I really love how Ellen and her character's charisma, spunk, enthusiasm, excitement, and hilarity just oozes out of the screen with the role. And c'mon... Who'd say they didn't find her very attractive and sexy as Boltie, am I right?

In the end, I'd have to say I think her roles as both Juno and Hard Candy's Hayley Stark were her very best performances, overall, and the two most pivotal and impressive jobs Ellen has ever done. Without question, they are both favourites of mine as well, but I just can't help but go back to thinking Boltie has the slightest of leads over the other two (in terms of personal preference).

The various transitions of the character throughout the movie is astonishing. There's no other movie so far where Ellen creates so many different facets to a character than in 'Hard Candy'.

I absolutely agree...
Needless to say, Ellen gives, without question, an incredible performance in Hard Candy!

As I said, Hayley Stark (and Juno) are just below Libby/"Boltie" for me, but that is sort of changing for me a little bit, over time. It's just so hard for me to decide concretely, so I almost consider all 3 a tie... That's the power of Ellen and her awesome roles!

While Boltie is a fun and great character the two most socially significant characters EP has portrayed would be my favorite characters, those being Sherry Green of Mouth to Mouth and Tracey Berkowitz of The Tracey Fragments (both astonishingly and frustratingly under-rated/under-noted films, even among EP fans).

None of the above post is to distract from Super, which I found to be a good film for its genre despite being, in my opinion, poorly edited; so having re-cut Super I would like to present not only to EP fans but to movie goers in general "Super ReFragmented: The Unofficial Fan Cut". Email for link.

OutWardExpansion wrote:so having re-cut Super I would like to present not only to EP fans but to movie goers in general "Super ReFragmented: The Unofficial Fan Cut". Email for link.

noooooooooooo! Don't! Please!

I mean, I'm sure you mean well, but re-editing a film is like going into an art gallery with a box of paint and a brush and retouching some of the paintings.
Admittedly, SUPER isn't on top of my list, too. But I'd never touch the work of another artist.

It's different with Tracy ReFragmented, because the director asked people to re-edit it. Imagine it this way: Maybe I would watch your re-edit and then I decide it's not good and re-re-edit your work, would you be happy?

Sorry for my objection, especially because it's your first post. I don't want to chase you away. But since I make movies (shorts) myself I'm a bit sensitive about this subject.

(1) I re-cut it b/c I think it's a good movie for its genre but I personally find it dragging and annoying to watch in places I think were added/extended due to Liv Tyler's presence in the film, and when I have people going through my movies and they ask me about Super, I have to tell them it's a good movie but drags in places and they probably won't like it; also I must admit to being motivated to a degree by sympathy to Miss Page and Mr. Wilson for staring in a movie that IS funny but in my opinion did poorly upon release due to editing. (Also several of Miss Page’s movies have done poorly despite being good films: Mouth to Mouth, The Tracey Fragments, An American Crime [though it did seem to be a bit villainizing of Gertrude Baniszewski], Smart People)

(2) I consider it significantly different than going into a gallery, though I know what you are saying. I consider it more similar to buying a picture and cutting out pieces I don't like and rearranging the pieces I do like and then allowing anyone who wants a copy of the new image to have one; which then brings up the subject of detracting from the movie’s profit. The only thing to this I can say is that the movie did not do well, and I sincerely believe I will not be impacting their profits especially at this late date.

(3) For touching the work of another artist I must admit here to holding beliefs and tendencies that are rather broad and philosophically/ideologically too expansive to be posted here; however I will say I believe in no artistic sacredness that you seem to express belief in here. Have you ever seen parodies of the "Mona Lisa", or of the "Scream", perhaps you have and with disapproval; or have you ever seen a movie based on a book, these are rarely true to the book, again perhaps with disapproval. I in NO WAY imply similarity of my re-cutting of Super with the examples I am providing; I present them merely to dull the edge of your statement for my argument and also with the intent that you may reconsider your position and reinterpret a piece of art in your Shorts for the benefit of others; however I'm not condoning plagiarism.

(4) For example: the English Poet John Milton created the Christian mythologicalmasterpiece Paradise Lost in addition to re-writing psalm 136 in prose and paraphrasing psalm 114. I find myself admiring John Milton for his mastery of prose and his nerve- “Yes that is a good psalm, God, but it could be better.”

(6) T.S. Eliot's plagiarized Edmund Spenser in The Waste Land. Alex Haley plagiarized Harold Courlander's The African. James Cameron lost a legal suit of plagiarism by Harlan Ellison for the movie The Terminator.Here are 5 other examples of people who profited and contributed through plagiarism. What I have done is entirely different than plagiarism, I'm not attempting to pass Super ReFragmented: The Unofficial Fan Cut off as my own creation for fame or profit, I'm simply providing a slightly different story.

(7) As regards continual re-edits, and editing in general. The 3 paragraphs above nicely addresses this though I would like to add that books and movies are often edited by the publisher and studio respectively; which gives rise to the Director’s Cut, however I have never seen a Writer’s Cut and who is more entitled a director or the writer.

(8) As regards Tracey Refragmented, I only used ReFragmented as homage to The Tracey Fragments, though relatively few outside the EP fan community would catch the reference. It IS ENTIRELY different than the situation with Tracey ReFragmented. I thought of using Redux in the sense of bringing back to the foreground a movie that did not do too well but after playing with the clips and moving them around ReFragmented won me over. I also am more than happy to supply the vpj file (editing file) i used to to cut the film and reference points so that anyone could take their own copy of Super cut it according to the reference points and then have the same working editing file I used to re-cut it, thus enabling them to cut their version in their language.

(9) As for re-editing the re-edit, I wouldn’t be bothered because it is just that, a re-edit for enjoyment, of which I am in no way invested in and as such the original message that is distorted/destroyed is not my own. However it’s not as though there is an epidemic of vigilantes dressing up and fighting crime on their own, as such this movie provides a moral in the absence of vice. However I know what you mean, and if one were to modify something of mine, and I’m thinking of a sociological paper I’ve been working on for a few years, I would have to say I wouldn’t like it; however that would be because the political message would be distorted. Yet as seen from paragraphs 4 & 5, such is the nature of the world, take for example the Communist Manifesto of Carl Marx re-interpreted by Lenin, and then by Mao; while I wouldn’t like it, due to it’s nature as a political message, the original would still be in circulation, and also, such is the nature of the world and civilization which the paper is apart. So too the original Super is in circulation, it’s not as if I have replaced Super with Super ReFragmented: The Unofficial Fan Cut.

(10) All of this is to a degree academic, there is a black and a white here. Is it of greater magnitude than hosting a picture on a website, I would say, in this black and white mentality it is a greater magnitude of black.

(11) As for your objection no apology is necessary. As is evident from above I have my own opinons, and civilization would be a sorry spectacle without objections. Constructive criticism and logical arguments are always welcomed and I must admit to diminishing respect for those who can handle neither nor provide them.

You sure have a point there, but I think a particular piece of art should stay untouched, with all it's rough edges and flaws.
Creating something yourself even if it's a copy of an existing work is different. (copy in the sense of 'replication' not 'reuse')