B1G Offers UNC

I would think any conference has to factor in that adding Duke would add quite a bit to the conference in basketball. Whenever Duke plays on the road, it's an automatic sellout regardless of the size of the venue. And Big Ten venues are mostly larger than ACC venues. Duke basketball also adds to the value of conference's TV deal.

— Posted by 903 mens national championships

Basketball attendance is an insignificant factor. Most B1G schools already sell out most of their league home games. The few that don't aren't going to get much of a boost because they are lousy teams about to get a beatdown. There's a reason their fans don't want to watch them play.

The aggregate additional ticket revenue, for all B1G schools combined, would be well south of $500,000 a year. That's pocket change in conference realignment terms.

The fact remains that, as of today, UVa appears to be the only ACC school that has actually gotten a (tentative) invite. If the B1G wants a regional partner for them, they already have Maryland. If they don't want Carolina as their 16th member, I wouldn't rule out Missouri. They are one of the few SEC schools that would probably prefer to be in the B1G. Since they were snubbed before, their pride could be a barrier this time around.

I'm just trying to understand all of this myself since the economics of college sports appears to be in desperate need of a correction when conferences are more interested in GA Tech than Duke. I'm glad Ken is here with his knowledge on the topic.

Duke's value to Duke isn't solely defined by football. But I suspect its value to the B1G is. Duke generates huge amounts of revenue from basketball that isn't shared with its conference. It would probably generate a little more TV revenue for the B1G, but not enough to pay for itself.

— Posted by Ken D.

I would think any conference has to factor in that adding Duke would add quite a bit to the conference in basketball. Whenever Duke plays on the road, it's an automatic sellout regardless of the size of the venue. And Big Ten venues are mostly larger than ACC venues. Duke basketball also adds to the value of conference's TV deal.

— Posted by 903 mens national championships

Basketball attendance is an insignificant factor. Most B1G schools already sell out most of their league home games. The few that don't aren't going to get much of a boost because they are lousy teams about to get a beatdown. There's a reason their fans don't want to watch them play.

The aggregate additional ticket revenue, for all B1G schools combined, would be well south of $500,000 a year. That's pocket change in conference realignment terms.

The fact remains that, as of today, UVa appears to be the only ACC school that has actually gotten a (tentative) invite. If the B1G wants a regional partner for them, they already have Maryland. If they don't want Carolina as their 16th member, I wouldn't rule out Missouri. They are one of the few SEC schools that would probably prefer to be in the B1G. Since they were snubbed before, their pride could be a barrier this time around.

There is no question that basketball in general, and Duke in particular, bring some value to the table. In the past 20 years, Duke has made it to the Final Four five times. If you take Forbes analysis at face value, that adds about $2.4 million a year to league revenues - assuming that their getting that far doesn't keep a different B1G school from doing so. Let's be generous and say that Duke's performance would bring in $5 million a year.

The bigger question is whether they bring more value to the other members of a conference than the cost of dividing the total pie by one more slice. The economics of the ACC, if Duke were not already a member, might say it does. But the economics of the B1G, IMO, say no. It will cost the other B1G members about $25 million a year to share with Duke. Duke might help bragging rights more than the pocketbooks of current members. The fact that the B1G has shown more interest in Virginia and Georgia Tech than in Duke suggests their members agree with me.

Another element in the equation is whether Duke adds value all by itself - over and above what Carolina would deliver by itself. If Carolina's presence would already deliver a substantial part of the North Carolina market, how much more could be attributed to also adding Duke?

Duke's value to Duke isn't solely defined by football. But I suspect its value to the B1G is. Duke generates huge amounts of revenue from basketball that isn't shared with its conference. It would probably generate a little more TV revenue for the B1G, but not enough to pay for itself.

— Posted by Ken D.

I would think any conference has to factor in that adding Duke would add quite a bit to the conference in basketball. Whenever Duke plays on the road, it's an automatic sellout regardless of the size of the venue. And Big Ten venues are mostly larger than ACC venues. Duke basketball also adds to the value of conference's TV deal.

— Posted by 903 mens national championships

Basketball attendance is an insignificant factor. Most B1G schools already sell out most of their league home games. The few that don't aren't going to get much of a boost because they are lousy teams about to get a beatdown. There's a reason their fans don't want to watch them play.

The aggregate additional ticket revenue, for all B1G schools combined, would be well south of $500,000 a year. That's pocket change in conference realignment terms.

The fact remains that, as of today, UVa appears to be the only ACC school that has actually gotten a (tentative) invite. If the B1G wants a regional partner for them, they already have Maryland. If they don't want Carolina as their 16th member, I wouldn't rule out Missouri. They are one of the few SEC schools that would probably prefer to be in the B1G. Since they were snubbed before, their pride could be a barrier this time around.

Duke's value to Duke isn't solely defined by football. But I suspect its value to the B1G is. Duke generates huge amounts of revenue from basketball that isn't shared with its conference. It would probably generate a little more TV revenue for the B1G, but not enough to pay for itself.

— Posted by Ken D.

I would think any conference has to factor in that adding Duke would add quite a bit to the conference in basketball. Whenever Duke plays on the road, it's an automatic sellout regardless of the size of the venue. And Big Ten venues are mostly larger than ACC venues. Duke basketball also adds to the value of conference's TV deal.

— Posted by 903 mens national championships

Basketball attendance is an insignificant factor. Most B1G schools already sell out most of their league home games. The few that don't aren't going to get much of a boost because they are lousy teams about to get a beatdown. There's a reason their fans don't want to watch them play.

The aggregate additional ticket revenue, for all B1G schools combined, would be well south of $500,000 a year. That's pocket change in conference realignment terms.

The fact remains that, as of today, UVa appears to be the only ACC school that has actually gotten a (tentative) invite. If the B1G wants a regional partner for them, they already have Maryland. If they don't want Carolina as their 16th member, I wouldn't rule out Missouri. They are one of the few SEC schools that would probably prefer to be in the B1G. Since they were snubbed before, their pride could be a barrier this time around.

Duke's value to Duke isn't solely defined by football. But I suspect its value to the B1G is. Duke generates huge amounts of revenue from basketball that isn't shared with its conference. It would probably generate a little more TV revenue for the B1G, but not enough to pay for itself.

— Posted by Ken D.

I would think any conference has to factor in that adding Duke would add quite a bit to the conference in basketball. Whenever Duke plays on the road, it's an automatic sellout regardless of the size of the venue. And Big Ten venues are mostly larger than ACC venues. Duke basketball also adds to the value of conference's TV deal.

Duke's value to Duke isn't solely defined by football. But I suspect its value to the B1G is. Duke generates huge amounts of revenue from basketball that isn't shared with its conference. It would probably generate a little more TV revenue for the B1G, but not enough to pay for itself.

If the B1G were to add UNC and Virginia, they would have the major state universities of 13 states that have a population equal to one third of the US. If the SEC were to counter by adding VT and NC State, they would have as many states, and slightly more population. Between those two conferences alone, they would represent half of the states on the US mainland, and 62% of its population.

That is why this could happen. That's a lot of eyeballs for ESPN.

— Posted by Ken D.

Ken, if those moves you mentioned were to take place, we'd have two super conferences. ESPN wouldn't get additional eyeballs, but the SEC and B1G sure would. the same pie just gets divided into different slices. I don't see where this would be good for UNC or any of the other ACC schools that might be lured away. I'm probably wearing blinders because I like the ACC and want it to keep the current schools. I don't see where this would be good for schools like UNC and State, nor their fans.

— Posted by StunGunn

Actually, jgunn, I expect you would have three or four super conferences, because I think the Big XII would have little choice but to target the remaining plums from the ACC. The PAC may or may not follow suit, just because there are few attractive teams left west of the Rockies.

At the end of the day, I think you would have roughly the same number of schools as the six BCS conferences had two years ago, but they would be compressed into only four conferences. The size of the pie is the 64 or so schools, not the four (or six) conferences. I expect some smaller schools like Wake and Duke could get left out in the cold as a result of this. Those 64 odd schools are already getting the lion's share of the pie - close to 80% - so I don't think you'd see much change there.

The $64 question in my mind is whether moves like this, along with growing dissatisfaction with the NCAA, could lead to the breakup of that institution.

As for your comment about whether this is good for UNC, State or their fans - I don't think any of us can predict that. It will certainly be very different, and the nature of any new rivalries that may form will be nothing like the Tobacco Road rivalry. Frankly, my personal opinion is that it would be great for State, a little less so for Carolina. (It would suk for Wake and Duke)

Carolina would be a southern school in a northern conference. State would not just be in a southern conference, it would be in the dominant conference, football wise. Sometimes I think being in the same conference as UNC holds State back. Older brothers and younger brothers will always compete with each other. But the younger brother will always be the younger brother. As a younger brother myself, I know I didn't always want to play in the same sandbox as my big brother. I think we were both better off for going in different directions.

— Posted by Ken D.

I expect some smaller schools like Wake and Duke could get left out in the cold as a result of this. Those 64 odd schools are already getting the lion's share of the pie - close to 80% - so I don't think you'd see much change there.

Does Duke's value really only solely get defined by football?

According to this recent article, Duke's athletic dept revenue is slightly lower than UNC and is 4th in the ACC.

Funny, very funny, how the Wolpies are lashing out. While they THINK the SEC wants them, we get proof that the Big Ten wants UNC. So, since many Wolpies care more about UNC losing than NC State winning, they lash out. They refer to something is the past (8-20) but then claim that something else in the past (1-13 against UNC the last 14 games) doesn't matter. Classic. And very very sad.

Here is the deal: UNC and Duke are connected at the hip. UNC won't leave the ACC without Duke, period. The ACC is not dead, far from it. However, if the ACC were to die for any reason, then we know where UNC will end up. The Big Ten (I will not use that asinine and stupid spelling the league now uses). And what is more, there were rumors around the internet from non-credible sources that Florida State and Clemson were leaving the ACC this past summer. But we have a credible source saying UNC has an offer from the Big Ten, not Florida State, not Miami, not Clemson, not Virginia Tech. The fact is UNC really is one of the most coveted universities in college athletics.

And if you want to know why NC State is not wanted by the other big boys, look no further than what the Wolpies were doing during this thread. Who wants a team that defines success on how bad someone else does?

— Posted by hi_i_am_wade

As usual, Big Wade puts the hammer down. A true backhand to the packers. And I do mean a real knuckle scraper to the side of the face!

— Posted by Constitutional-Defender

If you want to worship a guy who has ralph wiggum as his avatar, you go right ahead. The rest of us will converse with credible people.

Funny, very funny, how the Wolpies are lashing out. While they THINK the SEC wants them, we get proof that the Big Ten wants UNC. So, since many Wolpies care more about UNC losing than NC State winning, they lash out. They refer to something is the past (8-20) but then claim that something else in the past (1-13 against UNC the last 14 games) doesn't matter. Classic. And very very sad.

Here is the deal: UNC and Duke are connected at the hip. UNC won't leave the ACC without Duke, period. The ACC is not dead, far from it. However, if the ACC were to die for any reason, then we know where UNC will end up. The Big Ten (I will not use that asinine and stupid spelling the league now uses). And what is more, there were rumors around the internet from non-credible sources that Florida State and Clemson were leaving the ACC this past summer. But we have a credible source saying UNC has an offer from the Big Ten, not Florida State, not Miami, not Clemson, not Virginia Tech. The fact is UNC really is one of the most coveted universities in college athletics.

And if you want to know why NC State is not wanted by the other big boys, look no further than what the Wolpies were doing during this thread. Who wants a team that defines success on how bad someone else does?

— Posted by hi_i_am_wade

As usual, Big Wade puts the hammer down. A true backhand to the packers. And I do mean a real knuckle scraper to the side of the face!

I'm not reading through the first nine pages of comments to see if anyone has already written this, but I would suspect that Carolina is sitting on this offer and waiting to see if the ACC implodes. This offer is their lifeboat (if they need one).

I say go. If State remains in a UNC-less ACC, that's fine with me. Or maybe we head to the SEC. Either way works for me.

— Posted by TruthBKnown Banned Again01

LOL, nc state in the sec. LOL!

— Posted by BeastOfTheHill

that is exactly where they land if the ACC implodes. You think there is no way, but is it the logical move for the SEC to make.

— Posted by Leave it to Beaver Reruns

You might be right but if State is just an average team now in the ACC... they will likely be sliding into the role of whipping post formerly played by Vandy and such.

— Posted by wmarti

South Carolina was just an average team in the ACC. It has taken them a while to emerge as a contender in the SEC, but they (and Vandy) have shown that it's possible, just as Northwestern has in the B1G. Being in an SEC east with Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Virginia Tech, Tennessee, South Carolina, Georgia and Florida, State would be no less competitive in a few years than they are now in the ACC Atlantic division IMO. The SEC brand is a powerful recruiting tool in football.

As to how likely it is the SEC would invite State, I believe they would like to pick up two eastern teams, allowing them to place Missouri in the west where they belong. I agree with bmpayne812 on that point.

I'm not reading through the first nine pages of comments to see if anyone has already written this, but I would suspect that Carolina is sitting on this offer and waiting to see if the ACC implodes. This offer is their lifeboat (if they need one).

I say go. If State remains in a UNC-less ACC, that's fine with me. Or maybe we head to the SEC. Either way works for me.

— Posted by TruthBKnown Banned Again01

LOL, nc state in the sec. LOL!

— Posted by BeastOfTheHill

that is exactly where they land if the ACC implodes. You think there is no way, but is it the logical move for the SEC to make.

— Posted by Leave it to Beaver Reruns

I'm not laughing at them being in the sec, just at what level of success they would have in the sec.

ZERO!

— Posted by BeastOfTheHill

So you think your football program would have success in the Big 10. Oh, and how about baseball. I bet the boys of spring and summer would really look forward to going to Wisconsin and Minny in March.

I'm not reading through the first nine pages of comments to see if anyone has already written this, but I would suspect that Carolina is sitting on this offer and waiting to see if the ACC implodes. This offer is their lifeboat (if they need one).

I say go. If State remains in a UNC-less ACC, that's fine with me. Or maybe we head to the SEC. Either way works for me.

— Posted by TruthBKnown Banned Again01

LOL, nc state in the sec. LOL!

— Posted by BeastOfTheHill

that is exactly where they land if the ACC implodes. You think there is no way, but is it the logical move for the SEC to make.

— Posted by Leave it to Beaver Reruns

I'm not laughing at them being in the sec, just at what level of success they would have in the sec.

If the B1G were to add UNC and Virginia, they would have the major state universities of 13 states that have a population equal to one third of the US. If the SEC were to counter by adding VT and NC State, they would have as many states, and slightly more population. Between those two conferences alone, they would represent half of the states on the US mainland, and 62% of its population.

That is why this could happen. That's a lot of eyeballs for ESPN.

— Posted by Ken D.

Ken, if those moves you mentioned were to take place, we'd have two super conferences. ESPN wouldn't get additional eyeballs, but the SEC and B1G sure would. the same pie just gets divided into different slices. I don't see where this would be good for UNC or any of the other ACC schools that might be lured away. I'm probably wearing blinders because I like the ACC and want it to keep the current schools. I don't see where this would be good for schools like UNC and State, nor their fans.

— Posted by StunGunn

Actually, jgunn, I expect you would have three or four super conferences, because I think the Big XII would have little choice but to target the remaining plums from the ACC. The PAC may or may not follow suit, just because there are few attractive teams left west of the Rockies.

At the end of the day, I think you would have roughly the same number of schools as the six BCS conferences had two years ago, but they would be compressed into only four conferences. The size of the pie is the 64 or so schools, not the four (or six) conferences. I expect some smaller schools like Wake and Duke could get left out in the cold as a result of this. Those 64 odd schools are already getting the lion's share of the pie - close to 80% - so I don't think you'd see much change there.

The $64 question in my mind is whether moves like this, along with growing dissatisfaction with the NCAA, could lead to the breakup of that institution.

As for your comment about whether this is good for UNC, State or their fans - I don't think any of us can predict that. It will certainly be very different, and the nature of any new rivalries that may form will be nothing like the Tobacco Road rivalry. Frankly, my personal opinion is that it would be great for State, a little less so for Carolina. (It would suk for Wake and Duke)

Carolina would be a southern school in a northern conference. State would not just be in a southern conference, it would be in the dominant conference, football wise. Sometimes I think being in the same conference as UNC holds State back. Older brothers and younger brothers will always compete with each other. But the younger brother will always be the younger brother. As a younger brother myself, I know I didn't always want to play in the same sandbox as my big brother. I think we were both better off for going in different directions.

I'm not reading through the first nine pages of comments to see if anyone has already written this, but I would suspect that Carolina is sitting on this offer and waiting to see if the ACC implodes. This offer is their lifeboat (if they need one).

I say go. If State remains in a UNC-less ACC, that's fine with me. Or maybe we head to the SEC. Either way works for me.

— Posted by TruthBKnown Banned Again01

LOL, nc state in the sec. LOL!

— Posted by BeastOfTheHill

that is exactly where they land if the ACC implodes. You think there is no way, but is it the logical move for the SEC to make.

— Posted by Leave it to Beaver Reruns

You might be right but if State is just an average team now in the ACC... they will likely be sliding into the role of whipping post formerly played by Vandy and such.

I'm not reading through the first nine pages of comments to see if anyone has already written this, but I would suspect that Carolina is sitting on this offer and waiting to see if the ACC implodes. This offer is their lifeboat (if they need one).

I say go. If State remains in a UNC-less ACC, that's fine with me. Or maybe we head to the SEC. Either way works for me.

— Posted by TruthBKnown Banned Again01

LOL, nc state in the sec. LOL!

— Posted by BeastOfTheHill

that is exactly where they land if the ACC implodes. You think there is no way, but is it the logical move for the SEC to make.

I'm not reading through the first nine pages of comments to see if anyone has already written this, but I would suspect that Carolina is sitting on this offer and waiting to see if the ACC implodes. This offer is their lifeboat (if they need one).

I say go. If State remains in a UNC-less ACC, that's fine with me. Or maybe we head to the SEC. Either way works for me.

If the B1G were to add UNC and Virginia, they would have the major state universities of 13 states that have a population equal to one third of the US. If the SEC were to counter by adding VT and NC State, they would have as many states, and slightly more population. Between those two conferences alone, they would represent half of the states on the US mainland, and 62% of its population.

That is why this could happen. That's a lot of eyeballs for ESPN.

— Posted by Ken D.

Ken, if those moves you mentioned were to take place, we'd have two super conferences. ESPN wouldn't get additional eyeballs, but the SEC and B1G sure would. the same pie just gets divided into different slices. I don't see where this would be good for UNC or any of the other ACC schools that might be lured away. I'm probably wearing blinders because I like the ACC and want it to keep the current schools. I don't see where this would be good for schools like UNC and State, nor their fans.

I'm not reading through the first nine pages of comments to see if anyone has already written this, but I would suspect that Carolina is sitting on this offer and waiting to see if the ACC implodes. This offer is their lifeboat (if they need one).

I say go. If State remains in a UNC-less ACC, that's fine with me. Or maybe we head to the SEC. Either way works for me.

I'm not reading through the first nine pages of comments to see if anyone has already written this, but I would suspect that Carolina is sitting on this offer and waiting to see if the ACC implodes. This offer is their lifeboat (if they need one).

I say go. If State remains in a UNC-less ACC, that's fine with me. Or maybe we head to the SEC. Either way works for me.

This is not new news. There has been talk about this and other moves for many months now that would tear apart the ACC. It's all in the name of more TV time and more money. Conferences with their own networks are luring people in. And UNC while good at basketball doesn't have much to offer otherwise with academic scandal and a mediocre football future. Even their own fans bailed on the football team. They have to find a lifeline before another scandal erupts over there. I think they would be foolish to go as they would lose the protection of John Swofford who clearly adores them and tries to protect them from themselves.

— Posted by RAA0013

UNC has plenty to offer the B1G, SEC, etc...that's why any conference in the country would love to have Carolina.

Carolina offers:-A brand that is known nationwide and is popular around the world (translation: $$$$)-Top to bottom, one of the best athletic departments in the country year after year-One of the top 3 basketball programs in the country-Academic prestige (top 30 university in the country, top 5 public, top 50 global, AAU member, etc)-A strong foothold in North Carolina

Compared to a school like NC State, which offers:-A history of success in bass fishing

Annnnnd...that's it.

— Posted by chapelthrillv2

The B1G is salivating at the possibility of landing UNC for all the reasons you mentioned. They have to decide if they want to part ways with the ACC, but most of all Duke. The ACC will either survive all of this, or they won't. If they do not, my Blue Devils will be on the outside looking in. UNC will be what keeps the ACC alive and kicking in my opinion.

— Posted by Leave it to Beaver Reruns

If UNC goes to the B1G, I could see Duke joining in a package deal. Landing both schools would be a home run for the B1G, as Duke (like UNC) consistently has an excellent athletic department, has a very recognizable brand, and is one of the best schools (private or public) in the entire country.

— Posted by chapelthrillv2

I don't think the B1G would want Duke. They really do not offer anything other than appeasing UNC for making the jump.

A few on here think none of this will happen, and I hope they are right. But, I do not think we have seen the end of the conference realignment yet.

This is not new news. There has been talk about this and other moves for many months now that would tear apart the ACC. It's all in the name of more TV time and more money. Conferences with their own networks are luring people in. And UNC while good at basketball doesn't have much to offer otherwise with academic scandal and a mediocre football future. Even their own fans bailed on the football team. They have to find a lifeline before another scandal erupts over there. I think they would be foolish to go as they would lose the protection of John Swofford who clearly adores them and tries to protect them from themselves.

— Posted by RAA0013

UNC has plenty to offer the B1G, SEC, etc...that's why any conference in the country would love to have Carolina.

Carolina offers:-A brand that is known nationwide and is popular around the world (translation: $$$$)-Top to bottom, one of the best athletic departments in the country year after year-One of the top 3 basketball programs in the country-Academic prestige (top 30 university in the country, top 5 public, top 50 global, AAU member, etc)-A strong foothold in North Carolina

Compared to a school like NC State, which offers:-A history of success in bass fishing

Annnnnd...that's it.

— Posted by chapelthrillv2

The B1G is salivating at the possibility of landing UNC for all the reasons you mentioned. They have to decide if they want to part ways with the ACC, but most of all Duke. The ACC will either survive all of this, or they won't. If they do not, my Blue Devils will be on the outside looking in. UNC will be what keeps the ACC alive and kicking in my opinion.

— Posted by Leave it to Beaver Reruns

If UNC goes to the B1G, I could see Duke joining in a package deal. Landing both schools would be a home run for the B1G, as Duke (like UNC) consistently has an excellent athletic department, has a very recognizable brand, and is one of the best schools (private or public) in the entire country.

— Posted by chapelthrillv2

Nope. No offense, but you're completely off base on these realignment issues.

This is not new news. There has been talk about this and other moves for many months now that would tear apart the ACC. It's all in the name of more TV time and more money. Conferences with their own networks are luring people in. And UNC while good at basketball doesn't have much to offer otherwise with academic scandal and a mediocre football future. Even their own fans bailed on the football team. They have to find a lifeline before another scandal erupts over there. I think they would be foolish to go as they would lose the protection of John Swofford who clearly adores them and tries to protect them from themselves.

— Posted by RAA0013

UNC has plenty to offer the B1G, SEC, etc...that's why any conference in the country would love to have Carolina.

Carolina offers:-A brand that is known nationwide and is popular around the world (translation: $$$$)-Top to bottom, one of the best athletic departments in the country year after year-One of the top 3 basketball programs in the country-Academic prestige (top 30 university in the country, top 5 public, top 50 global, AAU member, etc)-A strong foothold in North Carolina

Compared to a school like NC State, which offers:-A history of success in bass fishing

Annnnnd...that's it.

— Posted by chapelthrillv2

The B1G is salivating at the possibility of landing UNC for all the reasons you mentioned. They have to decide if they want to part ways with the ACC, but most of all Duke. The ACC will either survive all of this, or they won't. If they do not, my Blue Devils will be on the outside looking in. UNC will be what keeps the ACC alive and kicking in my opinion.

— Posted by Leave it to Beaver Reruns

If UNC goes to the B1G, I could see Duke joining in a package deal. Landing both schools would be a home run for the B1G, as Duke (like UNC) consistently has an excellent athletic department, has a very recognizable brand, and is one of the best schools (private or public) in the entire country.

This is not new news. There has been talk about this and other moves for many months now that would tear apart the ACC. It's all in the name of more TV time and more money. Conferences with their own networks are luring people in. And UNC while good at basketball doesn't have much to offer otherwise with academic scandal and a mediocre football future. Even their own fans bailed on the football team. They have to find a lifeline before another scandal erupts over there. I think they would be foolish to go as they would lose the protection of John Swofford who clearly adores them and tries to protect them from themselves.

— Posted by RAA0013

UNC has plenty to offer the B1G, SEC, etc...that's why any conference in the country would love to have Carolina.

Carolina offers:-A brand that is known nationwide and is popular around the world (translation: $$$$)-Top to bottom, one of the best athletic departments in the country year after year-One of the top 3 basketball programs in the country-Academic prestige (top 30 university in the country, top 5 public, top 50 global, AAU member, etc)-A strong foothold in North Carolina

Compared to a school like NC State, which offers:-A history of success in bass fishing

Annnnnd...that's it.

— Posted by chapelthrillv2

The B1G is salivating at the possibility of landing UNC for all the reasons you mentioned. They have to decide if they want to part ways with the ACC, but most of all Duke. The ACC will either survive all of this, or they won't. If they do not, my Blue Devils will be on the outside looking in. UNC will be what keeps the ACC alive and kicking in my opinion.

Yup. At the end of the day, no one will care that State was finally able to break its 13-game losing streak to UNC in 2013. No one hangs banners for that. Well, I take that back....State might hang a banner for it, given that it is your biggest basketball accomplishment in 30 years.

Yup. At the end of the day, no one will care that State was finally able to break its 13-game losing streak to UNC in 2013. No one hangs banners for that. Well, I take that back....State might hang a banner for it, given that it is your biggest basketball accomplishment in 30 years.

UNC has plenty to offer the B1G, SEC, etc...that's why any conference in the country would love to have Carolina.

Carolina offers:-A brand that is known nationwide and is popular around the world (translation: $$$$)-Top to bottom, one of the best athletic departments in the country year after year-One of the top 3 basketball programs in the country-Academic prestige (top 30 university in the country, top 5 public, top 50 global, AAU member, etc)-A strong foothold in North Carolina

Compared to a school like NC State, which offers:-A history of success in bass fishing

Annnnnd...that's it.

— Posted by chapelthrillv2

Except unfortunately the B1G is interested in football revenues...which you guys have demonstrated time and time again that you can't do.

— Posted by KT Returns

Funny thing, UNC's basketball program is more profitable than NC State's football program. I guess winning multiple national titles has that effect.

— Posted by chapelthrillv2

How does this have ANYTHING to do with the fact that kerlina's football can't keep up with the other B1G teams in revenue?

Answer: it doesn't. Keep deflecting. The Orange County Remedial College way.

If the B1G were to add UNC and Virginia, they would have the major state universities of 13 states that have a population equal to one third of the US. If the SEC were to counter by adding VT and NC State, they would have as many states, and slightly more population. Between those two conferences alone, they would represent half of the states on the US mainland, and 62% of its population.

This is not new news. There has been talk about this and other moves for many months now that would tear apart the ACC. It's all in the name of more TV time and more money. Conferences with their own networks are luring people in. And UNC while good at basketball doesn't have much to offer otherwise with academic scandal and a mediocre football future. Even their own fans bailed on the football team. They have to find a lifeline before another scandal erupts over there. I think they would be foolish to go as they would lose the protection of John Swofford who clearly adores them and tries to protect them from themselves.

— Posted by RAA0013

UNC has plenty to offer the B1G, SEC, etc...that's why any conference in the country would love to have Carolina.

Carolina offers:-A brand that is known nationwide and is popular around the world (translation: $$$$)-Top to bottom, one of the best athletic departments in the country year after year-One of the top 3 basketball programs in the country-Academic prestige (top 30 university in the country, top 5 public, top 50 global, AAU member, etc)-A strong foothold in North Carolina

Compared to a school like NC State, which offers:-A history of success in bass fishing

Annnnnd...that's it.

— Posted by chapelthrillv2

Except unfortunately the B1G is interested in football revenues...which you guys have demonstrated time and time again that you can't do.

— Posted by KT Returns

Funny thing, UNC's basketball program is more profitable than NC State's football program. I guess winning multiple national titles has that effect.

— Posted by chapelthrillv2

How does this have ANYTHING to do with the fact that kerlina's football can't keep up with the other B1G teams in revenue?

Answer: it doesn't. Keep deflecting. The Orange County Remedial College way.

2 national titles in basketball and then irrelevance ever since? Are we talking about NC State or University of San Francisco? Either one would be the last pick for a good conference like the B1G or SEC.

Simple math, my friend...5>2, and when your 2 came 30 years ago and you haven't even made it past the Sweet 16 since....well, you might as well not even field a team anymore. So sad.

— Posted by chapelthrillv2

LOLso San Fran has been to MULTIPLE Sweet 16's THIS Century???

LMBAO.

pastel FAIL.

that's literally ALL they do... poor lil pillow biters :)

tell us more about how ALL State has is a title in bass fishing... it's PROOF that REALITY chaps your pastel hiny.

<Love>

— Posted by Wolfpackindahizzy4shizzy

When was the last time NC State made it past the Sweet 16 again?

Oh yeah, back in the 1980s.

Face it, you just aren't that good at basketball. You haven't won any kind of title in 30 years, and you can't even make it to the Elite 8. No conference would want a school like that.

— Posted by chapelthrillv2

LolAnd yet, here we are, on 2/20/13, with the pansies looking UP to their BIG Brother in the hoops standings.

Facts-R-Facts :)

Helloooooooooo DOWN there, pansies :)

— Posted by Wolfpackindahizzy4shizzy

I guess I'd be bragging about an equal 8-5 record too if youve accomplished as little as state has in the last quarter CENTURY.