Why bother firing him? I mean, it wouldn't accomplish anything. Even if it sparked us what would it mean but missing out on the #1

ugh. i couldn't disagree more with this train of thought. success breeds success. being the worst in the league won't do anything for us even if it means we get the 1st overall pick. i'd take wins and momentum to establish a culture of winning, even if its just a few games, over continuing the culture of suck just for the sake of sucking and getting a high draft pick, who will then join a demoralized team.

i'm on the fire Shurmur wagon. disliked him last year, dislike him more now. Haslam will put the hammer down to make it known that one's job is not safe if they are terrible at what they do.

Why bother firing him? I mean, it wouldn't accomplish anything. Even if it sparked us what would it mean but missing out on the #1

ugh. i couldn't disagree more with this train of thought. success breeds success. being the worst in the league won't do anything for us even if it means we get the 1st overall pick. i'd take wins and momentum to establish a culture of winning, even if its just a few games, over continuing the culture of suck just for the sake of sucking and getting a high draft pick, who will then join a demoralized team.

i'm on the fire Shurmur wagon. disliked him last year, dislike him more now. Haslam will put the hammer down to make it known that one's job is not safe if they are terrible at what they do.

How'd that work out for us when we won our last 4 when mangini was here_________________2013 Joe Blackburn HOF Award Recipient

Why bother firing him? I mean, it wouldn't accomplish anything. Even if it sparked us what would it mean but missing out on the #1

ugh. i couldn't disagree more with this train of thought. success breeds success. being the worst in the league won't do anything for us even if it means we get the 1st overall pick. i'd take wins and momentum to establish a culture of winning, even if its just a few games, over continuing the culture of suck just for the sake of sucking and getting a high draft pick, who will then join a demoralized team.

i'm on the fire Shurmur wagon. disliked him last year, dislike him more now. Haslam will put the hammer down to make it known that one's job is not safe if they are terrible at what they do.

How'd that work out for us when we won our last 4 when mangini was here

i had fun watching those games, did you? or would you rather have watched the team suck for those games

it didn't work that time. doesn't mean that winning isn't good for an organization.

Why bother firing him? I mean, it wouldn't accomplish anything. Even if it sparked us what would it mean but missing out on the #1

ugh. i couldn't disagree more with this train of thought. success breeds success. being the worst in the league won't do anything for us even if it means we get the 1st overall pick. i'd take wins and momentum to establish a culture of winning, even if its just a few games, over continuing the culture of suck just for the sake of sucking and getting a high draft pick, who will then join a demoralized team.

i'm on the fire Shurmur wagon. disliked him last year, dislike him more now. Haslam will put the hammer down to make it known that one's job is not safe if they are terrible at what they do.

How'd that work out for us when we won our last 4 when mangini was here

Why bother firing him? I mean, it wouldn't accomplish anything. Even if it sparked us what would it mean but missing out on the #1

ugh. i couldn't disagree more with this train of thought. success breeds success. being the worst in the league won't do anything for us even if it means we get the 1st overall pick. i'd take wins and momentum to establish a culture of winning, even if its just a few games, over continuing the culture of suck just for the sake of sucking and getting a high draft pick, who will then join a demoralized team.

i'm on the fire Shurmur wagon. disliked him last year, dislike him more now. Haslam will put the hammer down to make it known that one's job is not safe if they are terrible at what they do.

Couldnt agree more. Success breeds success and this owner is not going to be averse to blowing things up. You will not be "patient" with a billion dollar investment just because you feel bad for a guy like Shurmur. He will bring in a proven winner. Someone whos demeanor and presence resembles his own. Shurmur is a coordinator at best - lacks the personality, leadership or motivation necessary to be a winning head coach.

Holmgren picked him because he came from the same coaching tree and had the same agent. What else he saw in him I don't know.

If I have to hear one more time how the team "battled" or so and so "battled" I think I will throw up just a little in my mouth. I'm sick of that. This is football for God's sake and its about W's. I dont care what anyone on here thinks about the "process" or how young and inexperienced this team is. We are 3 years into the Holmgren experience. Time to get W's - thats what this game is about. 0-5 just doesnt cut it no matter how much the team battles.

W's people W's. Find a coach and players that can bring W's to Cleveland.

i had fun watching those games, did you? or would you rather have watched the team suck for those games

I'll preface this by saying I always root for the Browns to win, always.

How many wins from last season would you trade for Andrew Luck?

I can be honest... All of them.

Same.

Likewise, do you think Colts fan regret having an abysmal 1997 season, or do you think they wish they had gone 6-10 instead, missing out on Peyton Manning?

I think they'd trade the losses that season for the dozens that Manning gave them, along with a Super Bowl.

With that said, I am tired of losing. If we can turn things around and put wins up there with players that can build around, and start turning the losing culture around, I'm all for it. This city needs something to get excited about. And I don't mean the excitement of yet another top 5 draft pick.

i had fun watching those games, did you? or would you rather have watched the team suck for those games

I'll preface this by saying I always root for the Browns to win, always.

How many wins from last season would you trade for Andrew Luck?

I can be honest... All of them.

Same.

Likewise, do you think Colts fan regret having an abysmal 1997 season, or do you think they wish they had gone 6-10 instead, missing out on Peyton Manning?

I think they'd trade the losses that season for the dozens that Manning gave them, along with a Super Bowl.

With that said, I am tired of losing. If we can turn things around and put wins up there with players that can build around, and start turning the losing culture around, I'm all for it. This city needs something to get excited about. And I don't mean the excitement of yet another top 5 draft pick.

tbh though it's kind of cherry picking. You think the Rams wouldn't have liked an extra win, lost out on Bradford and landed Suh? Maybe maybe not. Raiders miss out on Russel with an extra win or 2?

I don't see anyone anywhere near the prospect level of Luck or Manning. Just saying. Look at guys like Eli Manning and Alex Smith. Both are having successful careers right now, but had we landed them we probably would have had them both run out of town due to their average beginnings. I'd rather we just focus on winning because I'm suck of rooting for a complete embarrassment of a football team. If we end up with the 4th overall pick and we can't land an impact player, that's just sad.

I know both of you said you will always root for us to win, and I totally agree, but I would rather us win a few games and not worry about whether or not we have the #1 pick, than secretly hope we lose so we can get it. If Luck or Manning were in this draft, I would probably have a different opinion. I don't think any of the current QB prospects are on that level. I'm not even as impressed with any of them as RG3._________________Adopt-a-Brown: Jabaal Sheard - Stats:
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Heck, Geno Smith has played in multiple offenses and learned different play books.

And for what its worth, I dont secretly root for us to lose, I always want us to win, even when it is detrimental. However, I don't see a reason to fire Shurmur mid-season and replace him with a guy who won't be our long term answer at HC_________________