Such a double standard.. The US (who has the largest prison population in the world) has private prison labor camps all over the country where the
workers make about 5 bucks a day

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You are wrong, this is not a double standard. A double standard is trading and having diplomatic relations with China and Vietnam, both of which are
guilty of the same thing, yet having sanctions on North Korea.

You are on the internet, right? Compared to North Korea, Vietnam and China the US isthe land of the free!

As much as I dislike many of the US foreign policy decisions, trying to use the argument of double standards with the US borders on the ridiculous.

Then someone better do it before we do what we always do. In this case, we would be completely justified.

I hope it doesn't come that.

America is good at the first part of the equation (removal of dictator) but has a bad track record when it comes to the next part (adding another
dictator/government).

Am not sure you can just walk into a country and replace its government and expect a positive result. I'm thinking at the moment that America should
have withdrawn from Iraq and Afghanistan straight away and handed it over to the U.N ... even though I don't think that highly of the U.N either.

It is a Horror Movie Scenario , the Things that are being done to this population is beyong anything we can call "Human"
I Can remember The Funeral of their Beloved leader , 3 rows of Crying people beyond that a row with soldiers pointing AK's at the crowd , Possible
opening Fire on the first person that does not shed tears.

North Korea is Nothing more than one Big Mind Control Facility , in order to enslave Generations and make them Mindless Puppets Through Hard line
Indoctrinations.

I have been watching North Korea for a few years now and seen the YT videos of the death camps. Hitler would have loved North Korea I am sure. I think
it is disgusting that the UN have not done ANYTHING to say that North Korea have the death camps and action taken on these grounds alone, never mind
the nukes.

However it seems even China is pissed off now with North Korea and so hopefully change is coming. Personally I would like to see the regime put on
trial like Nurmerburg and executed for what they have done. There can be NO excuse.

I had learned some years ago that North Korea has has the largest prison in the world exclusively for CHILDREN
and there are 3 ways to imprisoned there.

1. actually commit a crime

2. be caught on the streets after curfew hours
(but it is known that many hunt rats at night to feed their families)

3. If your Parents are Known or Thought to be talking or planning against the Government then the Children are taken away as punishment as the Parents
are also imprisoned.

I forgot the name of the prison but it is the largest in the world designed just for children. You can only imagine the horrors they are living in
there under evil guards and among other kids preying upon the weak.

Personally I would like to see the regime put on trial like Nurmerburg and executed for what they have done. There can be NO excuse.

What country in the world can say they are any better? Countries who have armed forces are guilty of death crimes.

This whole system has become one big death camp.

Yes but this is a systematic genoicide of people in the name of political ideology. One day the full horror of what has gone on in North Korea will be
exposed and I suspect it will be on a par with the Holocaust.

OPINION: If North Korea's new leader, Kim Jong-un, wanted to end the brutal and destructive tyranny that his father and grandfather imposed on
the country, he would need support from abroad. The military and Communist Party elites who control and benefit from that system would have to be
brought round or bought off, and that would require lots of foreign aid and a global amnesty for their crimes. So how would he get the foreigners to
help?
Well, he'd have to show them that he was willing to reform, but he couldn't be too obvious about it at first, or those elites would just get rid of
him. He'd drop a hint here, make a gesture there, and hope that the foreigners would trust him and help him to change the country. Rather like the
Burmese generals did when they began to dismantle their own half- century-old dictatorship two years ago.

What does perceived or real situations in the U.S. have to do with this? Why, when someone brings up something that bears further scrutiny, the first
reaction by many is "Well the U.S. has no reason to talk!" People act as if only a perfect country can dare speak about outrages somewhere else in
the world. And that people that have nothing to do with running their government, are however beholden to their countries actions, and lose their
voice because of it. Get off your hate horse for crying out loud - we get it, you hate the United States.

There.. watch that more recent glimpse into North Korea by Lisa Ling. The way their government controls their people is terrible. And you can get
first-hand testimony by former citizens who can indeed, verify how quickly they drag off families to prison camps if you go against their leaders.
It's rather grim.

Personally I would like to see the regime put on trial like Nurmerburg and executed for what they have done. There can be NO excuse.

What country in the world can say they are any better? Countries who have armed forces are guilty of death crimes.

This whole system has become one big death camp.

Yes but this is a systematic genoicide of people in the name of political ideology. One day the full horror of what has gone on in North Korea will be
exposed and I suspect it will be on a par with the Holocaust.

I saw a segment on 60 Minutes last month, about a former prisoner from one of those North Korean political prison camps. The man was younger than me,
around 24 years old I believe, and I was BORN into the prison. His WHOLE life, he never knew what existed outside of the prison. According to him,
there are 6 major political prisons, the one he was from being one of the largest, holding at least 25,000 people. North Korea has a certain law,
where if you go against them politically, they can send you, and the next TWO GENERATIONS from you to the prison camps for LIFE.

That means if they threw me in there, I get a life sentence, my SON gets a life sentence, and my GRANDSON gets a life sentence. The reason behind this
is to basically weed out ANY families that go against North Korean leadership. They effectively DESTROY the family line.

This guy has a book written now, the guy who escaped. He ratted out his family for trying to escape, and had to watch his mother and sister I believe
get executed. That was the thing that haunts him the most, I believe.

He said it is a COMPLETE brainwashing camp. It isn't a prison like we have in the US....the prisons are actually like mini-cities. Their are
factories, mini condo type places of residence, all kinds of stuff. Apparently they ALL have to work 7 days a week, around 12-16 hours a day. They get
VERY little food to eat, so many of them eat anything they can catch, like cockroaches, rats, etc.

I suggest anyone interested try to find the book by this guy. Sorry I forget his name, but as I said, I heard about it from 60 minutes.

Don't you start comparing East Berlin Soviet to the full scale dictatorship of North Korea

At least in East Berlin you had jobs, life in the East Berlin was very similar to West Berlin.

I appreciate your passion in how you remember East Berlin and the D.D.R. as a whole. You are going by memory, right? Not simply the writings of
authors since, I assume? I'm going by direct memory of the reporting and just stunned realization which came after the world got into places like the
Stasi headquarters to see just what the regime of the DDR had done and been doing to it's people.

It took real digging because I could have sworn I wrote a thread on it..and maybe I did but just can't find it in the list? Who knows..I did write a
well sourced and imaged post about one aspect of the evil perpetrated by the East German communist regime though.

It's a fascinating thing to read about and knowing history is absolutely critical to understanding the present, in my view. It's probably why I've
been so passionate about learning as much as I can absorb for most of my life. Even back in 1989...I was a news hound and running my little single
line dial-up BBS while CNN ran as background.

In the case of North Korea and East Germany as it was while known better as the Deutsche Demokratische Republik? I definitely will make the comparison
as the two places, regimes and control methods against their own citizens have much in common. After all, they were on the same side for quite a
number of years to be purely pragmatic about it. The similarities aren't surprising in that context.

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