Transilvanian, you are ignoring the historical realities of Europe. You are a Romanian right? I am a Hungarian. I personally have no beef with Romanians in general ( aside from a few border issues) but let us face the truth: Romanians and Hungarians do not like each other. It would be impossible to convince these two nations to unite under one government.

That's funny because it's actually not true. There were very serious talks, back in the 1930s, between the Iron Guard of Romania and their supporters and the Arrows Cross in Hungary and their supporters, for a Danubian Empire, a sort of strong state designed for a single purpose: to act as a powerful buffer against Communism's expansion into Europe. Let me stress that these proposals weren't spoken about by some internationalist morons: they were discussed by leading Hungarian and Romanian Nationalists (among a few other concerned nations). I for one am aware that Corneliu Codreanu himself was in favor of this idea, as was one of the most high-ranking Legionaries, Mihail Sturdza, who served twice as Foreign Minister of the National Legionary State, in late 1940 and later in the Exiled Legionary Government in 1944-45. He talks about this idea in his book about WWII, its causes and effects.

This unity never came to pass because neither group was able to achieve power, with close-minded militarists like Horthy and Antonescu leading their respective nations, and the tensions of the early 1940s, largely due to the Romanian government's extreme pro-Soviet corruption.

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This is just one example out of many. European nations will simply not give up their sovereignty in favor of some elusive plan for White Unity. As for your suggestion ( that a unified central government could stop imperialist and chauvinist aggression): Imperialists from large nations would try to use this unity to further their own goals. Again the Austro Hungarian Empire is a good example. The Empire was officially multi national however different nations within it worked to increase their power over other nations. It was rife with national tension, which is still present to this day. There is no power vacuum under such an arrangement. Empires always have and always will be unstable due to the fact that they must be ( at the very least) multinational by nature. The focus should be not to have all European nations unite but to decrease the hostility and rivalry between them.

The Austro-Hungarian example, as I stated earlier, is not correct because it represented two nations' domination over a half-dozen others. They attempted to force their own language and culture onto the other nations! a Unified White government would never allow such things. It would work like this: White nations, autonomous and free, would keep all their culture and habits yet be united under an overall White government for economical, military and social purposes.

That's funny because it's actually not true. There were talks, back in the 1930s, between the Iron Guard of Romania and their supporters and the Arrows Cross in Hungary and their supporters, for a Danubian Empire, a sort of strong state designed for a single purpose: to act as a powerful buffer against Communism's expansion into Europe. Let me stress that these proposals weren't spoken about by some internationalist morons: they were discussed by leading Hungarian and Romanian Nationalists (among a few other concerned nations). I for one am aware that Corneliu Codreanu himself was in favor of this idea, as was one of the most high-ranking Legionaries, Mihail Sturdza, who served twice as Foreign Minister of the National Legionary State, in late 1940 and later in the Exiled Legionary Government in 1944-45. He talks about this idea in his book about WWII, its causes and effects.

This unity never came to pass because neither group was able to achieve power, with close-minded militarists like Horthy and Antonescu leading their respective nations, and the tensions of the early 1940s, largely due to the Romanian government's extreme pro-Soviet corruption.

The Austro-Hungarian example, as I stated earlier, is not correct because it represented two nations' domination over a half-dozen others. They attempted to force their own language and culture onto the other nations! a Unified White government would never allow such things. It would work like this: White nations, autonomous and free, would keep all their culture and habits yet be united under an overall White government for economical, military and social purposes.

That proposal would be impossible to accomplish right now. Hungarians and Romanians ( especially those who live next to each other) hate each other too much to want to live under one government. I say the best solution would be to have them simply separate. Solve all the land disputes and then let it be. Let me ask you a question Transilvanian: How would you want to accomplish your plan? In other words how would you convince all European nations to unite under one government? And if your proposal was rejected then what would you do?

That proposal would be impossible to accomplish right now. Hungarians and Romanians ( especially those who live next to each other) hate each other too much to want to live under one government. I say the best solution would be to have them simply separate.

Well, first of all, I can assure you that the general relations between Hungarians and Romanians today are much more peaceful than those during the 1930s and the 1940s. Most real White Nationalists in both Hungary and Romania recognize that conflict between us would be folly, as did the true patriots of the Iron Guard and the Arrows Cross 70 years ago.

Secondly, we're not talking about a dual state of only Romanians and Hungarians, we're talking about an Empire encompassing dozens of nations, within which two neighbors should have no problem getting along together. Given that each nation's relationship with their central government would be of the SAME nature, there would not be any reason for actual conflict.

Finally, look at the European Union. For four years now, both Romania and Hungary have been part of the EU. The EU's leadership and policies are complete bullcrap but the fact of the matter is, both Hungary and Romania are part of this organization and we are in this sense "united", and I doubt that Romania is a Hungarian Nationalist's problem with the EU, or that Hungary is a Romanian Nationalist's problem with the EU. We can get along just fine, and we would get along just fine in a hypothetical White Empire. Besides, such an Empire's promotion of all White cultures and languages would inevitably lead to the important (and welcome!) Hungarian minority in Romania having more rights, including in terms of education and language.

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Solve all the land disputes and then let it be.

How would you solve all land disputes without a higher "judge" of sorts deciding what's the fairest solution to both parties? Because when two people want the same thing and there's no arbiter, it often leads to a fight.

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Let me ask you a question Transilvanian: How would you want to accomplish your plan? In other words how would you convince all European nations to unite under one government? And if your proposal was rejected then what would you do?

Good question, and that remains to be seen as there isn't even one White Nationalist nation in the entire World. But I'm convinced that when the day comes and a White Revolution is upon us somewhere, it will expand through solidarity with White Nationalist groups worldwide, establishing each nation as part of a growing White Nationalist entity, united and strong in its objectives of:

A) Unification (exporting the White Nationalist Revolution to all White nations)
B) Repatriation of all non-Whites
C) General defense
D) Social, political and economical reform

As for potential nations not willing to unite, they'd still have to undergo a White Nationalist Revolution, which a preexisting White Nationalist entity would strive to export to all those nations. I do not support wars with White nations for the sake of unity, but if it comes to be that a White Nation's people are subjugated to anti-White policies, it would be a White Nationalist entity's duty to intervene however it can.

Thus, it is INSANE to believe that if one White European nation revolts against the current regime, all others will magically follow suit. Make no mistake, the White Nationalist Revolution will have to be EXPORTED from wherever it emerges to all other White Nations/Regions. Any isolated White Nationalist nation will be destroyed by the others' corrupted governments.

Russia, Norway and Iceland have put up very strong resistance against the internationalist Jews and do serve as examples.

Corruption of the Jew New World Order is falling. The GDPs of the Jew central controlled nations is falling in relation to the non-Jew controlled nations.

That proposal would be impossible to accomplish right now. Hungarians and Romanians ( especially those who live next to each other) hate each other too much to want to live under one government. I say the best solution would be to have them simply separate. Solve all the land disputes and then let it be. Let me ask you a question Transilvanian: How would you want to accomplish your plan? In other words how would you convince all European nations to unite under one government? And if your proposal was rejected then what would you do?

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Good points, because we have to ask ourselves what builds cohesive strength, and it is nationalism. What is nationalism? It is cultural heritage, language, borders, history, identity. A unified Europe, even a White one, would be weak because there would be no genunine strength felt in the hearts of people.

Take away our national flags, borders, music, culture, and there would be no nations for which to make any alliance.

An alliance of White Nations is stronger than a gray dull faceless "unified" artificial entity.

Good luck to any Jew New World USSR Order type who says to the Irish "okay we're going to take away your flag, borders, government and now you will kow tow to a new "White Power" Brussels - trust us we want you to have all kinds of great passion for your de-nationed nation."

There is no White Nationalism without Nation. And what is Nation? It is more than "allowing languages" it is borders, territory, history, music, government system, etc. It reminds me of Marx who told the Whites, "after we establish a one world order, we will then make it good for you Whites", which of course was a complete lie. We can only be White Nations if we do in fact have Nations.

White Nationalism without Nations?

Who is trying to sell that? We've heard this from the Eternal Jew for decades.

Well, first of all, I can assure you that the general relations between Hungarians and Romanians today are much more peaceful than those during the 1930s and the 1940s. Most real White Nationalists in both Hungary and Romania recognize that conflict between us would be folly, as did the true patriots of the Iron Guard and the Arrows Cross 70 years ago.

Secondly, we're not talking about a dual state of only Romanians and Hungarians, we're talking about an Empire encompassing dozens of nations, within which two neighbors should have no problem getting along together. Given that each nation's relationship with their central government would be of the SAME nature, there would not be any reason for actual conflict.

Finally, look at the European Union. For four years now, both Romania and Hungary have been part of the EU. The EU's leadership and policies are complete bullcrap but the fact of the matter is, both Hungary and Romania are part of this organization and we are in this sense "united", and I doubt that Romania is a Hungarian Nationalist's problem with the EU, or that Hungary is a Romanian Nationalist's problem with the EU. We can get along just fine, and we would get along just fine in a hypothetical White Empire. Besides, such an Empire's promotion of all White cultures and languages would inevitably lead to the important (and welcome!) Hungarian minority in Romania having more rights, including in terms of education and language.

How would you solve all land disputes without a higher "judge" of sorts deciding what's the fairest solution to both parties? Because when two people want the same thing and there's no arbiter, it often leads to a fight.

Good question, and that remains to be seen as there isn't even one White Nationalist nation in the entire World. But I'm convinced that when the day comes and a White Revolution is upon us somewhere, it will expand through solidarity with White Nationalist groups worldwide, establishing each nation as part of a growing White Nationalist entity, united and strong in its objectives of:

A) Unification (exporting the White Nationalist Revolution to all White nations)
B) Repatriation of all non-Whites
C) General defense
D) Social, political and economical reform

As for potential nations not willing to unite, they'd still have to undergo a White Nationalist Revolution, which a preexisting White Nationalist entity would strive to export to all those nations. I do not support wars with White nations for the sake of unity, but if it comes to be that a White Nation's people are subjugated to anti-White policies, it would be a White Nationalist entity's duty to intervene however it can.

I still consider this plan to be too impractical. The EU is failing ( and not just because of multiculturalism and multiracialism) and if it does then no European nation would want to go back to a similar arrangement. I say solve all the border and land disputes in Europe, accomplish some population transfers, and fight against imperialism as well as chauvinism. All nations that have lost land which is theirs by right ( for example Hungary, Germany, and Poland) should regain them. All unassimilable minorities should return to their native land ( for example the vast majority of Russians in the Baltic States). Nationalists should also fight against imperialism and chauvinism ( of any national variant). These actions would decrease national hostility/rivalry in Europe and would pave the way for closer cooperation. Also do you not consider it immoral to have nations place their destiny in the hands of one central government by ceding them their sovereignty?

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There is more than one way to skin a cat. The assumption here seems to be that unity necessarily involves the imposition of uniformity at every level. That's not surprising given the way the EU tries to stick its nose into everything we do. However consider a nationalist alternative. the Mosley vision of a united Europe saw a central government taking on "big" questions like Foreign policy but leaving most decisions at the national level - so no laws on bananas, the sorts of things you can seel etc etc. he same vision has been outlined in moe recent year by Alain de Benoist (check it out! who want to resurrect the medieval notion of Empire" which i similar to this. Petty nationalism is just what our enemies want and will lead to out downfal - and let's face it extermination.

There is more than one way to skin a cat. The assumption here seems to be that unity necessarily involves the imposition of uniformity at every level. That's not surprising given the way the EU tries to stick its nose into everything we do. However consider a nationalist alternative. the Mosley vision of a united Europe saw a central government taking on "big" questions like Foreign policy but leaving most decisions at the national level - so no laws on bananas, the sorts of things you can seel etc etc. he same vision has been outlined in moe recent year by Alain de Benoist (check it out! who want to resurrect the medieval notion of Empire" which i similar to this. Petty nationalism is just what our enemies want and will lead to out downfal - and let's face it extermination.

The Jew Communist USSR tried to give unity only at the top communist party level, while allowing Hungary, Germany, Czechs to have their own cultures in 1950-80.

It didn't work. When the people of a nation know that the top is controlled, that their government is not their own government, then there is no sense of nation to begin with. The Communist Moscow Jews tried to make Whites of the Eastern Bloc feel as though they really had nations, but nobody bought it.

"Petty nationalism" reeks of Marxism lingo. It smells of Red.

The Jews tried to set up "petty nationalism" in the Eastern Block and SSRs of Ukraine, Belarus, etc, and it all failed. Because it ultimately was not nationalism at all, because the people knew they didn't have their own National governments.

You simply can't come to a White Nationalist forum and say that true Nationalism has no Nation.

There is more than one way to skin a cat. The assumption here seems to be that unity necessarily involves the imposition of uniformity at every level. That's not surprising given the way the EU tries to stick its nose into everything we do. However consider a nationalist alternative. the Mosley vision of a united Europe saw a central government taking on "big" questions like Foreign policy but leaving most decisions at the national level - so no laws on bananas, the sorts of things you can seel etc etc. he same vision has been outlined in moe recent year by Alain de Benoist (check it out! who want to resurrect the medieval notion of Empire" which i similar to this. Petty nationalism is just what our enemies want and will lead to out downfal - and let's face it extermination.

Nations wanting to keep their sovereignty is not petty nationalism. This Imperium Europa plan would eradicate national sovereignty in Europe.

The Austro-Hungarian Empire fell because it was not based on White Nationalism or any form of cooperation between its component White nations. It was two nations (Austria and Hungary) imposing their will on Croatia, Slovakia, Czechia, Transylvania (the Romanians), Slovenia and Bosnia. That's why it fell, because the people of those subjugated nations inevitably and naturally revolted against their subjugation.

A White Empire would be based on being WHITE, thus there would never be one nation subjugating another. All nations' cultures and languages would be guaranteed within their borders, and the existence of a central government would stop fratricidal wars. I can assure you, such an Empire would be stable because it would be different from your given notion on what an Empire actually is. Remember, you've grown up and were taught to love "democracy" all your life; the inevitable result is that alternative regimes and systems are always portrayed in a bad light, because all regimes promote themselves, including "democracy".

But that's the thing, all Whites won't magically develop a conscious ideology of brotherhood if they're divided. If Germany is a Nationalist independent nation stuck between France and Poland, it will want to prosper and benefit in ways which would disadvantage its neighbors. They'd want to reconquer areas of France and Poland and that WOULD cause fratricidal wars. Only a strong central WN government can prevent such things, but such a government must NEVER represent any one nation; it must represent ALL White nations.

Thats right in most points but saying that ...

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In a future White Nationalist Britain or any other country more emphasis has to be put on the indigenous cultural and tribal groupings.
For instance in England there are areas like the North East or Cornwall where the locals see themselves as distinct groups.
These areas and folk deserve more power localy so that their unique traditions and history can be preserved.
Take power away from the capital and give it to the locals.

You have to take away elements of power from the tyrant. Look at how the USA constitution should work or could work if it was simply about the 10 bill of rights.

Less power for tyrants is fine but Imperium would have brought protection for each nation under one banner. One European nation at risk would be racially defended by another. Unity and the understanding that the Imperium meant survival of our race of course would work.

Only if we could be in control of all white choices in all white nations then could we have a plan to survive and reverse the trend of genocide.

I understand friction exists between nations but Imperium offers a solution with the understanding of our struggle. In other words if Europe only had "Racially Aware" people in its nations we could build a future but first we are required to topple the Zionists in order to take back control of our governments and remove all the other doctrines like multi culturalism ideology and communist scum from our streets etc.

Remove zionism, take back our continent and base the living in Europe on racial protection and survival of our people. Anyone not wanting to secure the white race can move to Israel and eventually get pushed into the sea by the anger of those Arabs whose race is also now being ripped apart by the enemy who for 2000 years has tried to destroy us.

Let Tommy and his zionist EDL friends move to Israel, all true white people stay and return Europe to its glory.

Extreme? I don't think so in the slightest.

United Europe - Racially Aware - Able To See The Rot Approaching
One Goal - Racial Survival - Infighting Division A Thing To Be Looked Down At.

A united Europe doesn't mean the loss of culture, it means the opposite the return of lost language, lost tribes and heritage of our peoples. The right for Wales/Cornwall to take grip on its old glorious Celtic past, the right for heritage and dance, culrure and song to return to each land, the chance to put an end to the polluting of our morals and a strong vitalized pride that could last tens of thousands of years?

If people don't want this future, why do they fight? For what do they fight? Are you happy to accept just the safety of yourself? The 14 words cannot be reached with these geographical borders ringing out in our minds. The map is drawn up and our lands are our lands but we are one people with one legacy and most certainly from Ireland to Russia. Serbia to Hungary. We have the same burning ambition that removes lines, language barrier and national flag and that is our struggle to survive.

Last point. A race that has a birth rate dropping below 1.8 child per family has NEVER survived. Lower than 1.6 would NEVER survive and it would take 80-100 years to recover from 1.8 child per family. My point being Europe couldn't remain closed nation by nation if we want to survive. German, English, Serbian etc will have to unite, marry and have children its simply fact that we cannot save our race simply by being individual nations and rejecting our European kinsman... cannot be done!