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View Poll Results: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nukes?

Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

Originally Posted by DVSentinel

That theory just might hold water if we actually had any hegemony in the region to begin with. Also, I pretty sure that Bush probably wouldn't even know what it means, much less how to employ it. No, he was fed up with terrorist and he wanted them gone. The same countries participating in state sponsored terrorism haven't changed in awhile. Wasn't real hard to come up with a list.

Syria was perhaps the most active of them at the time of Iraqi Freedom
Lebanon right behind them, but then, current gov there is pretty much an extension of Syria.
Iran would be the next active.
Libya was not very active at all, a little
Somalia, hard to take down a government that doesn't exists.
Sudan, yeah, should of been higher on the list.

The correct order should of been Iran, Syria, Sudan, Iraq, Libya, Lebanon (assuming taking out Syria didn't actually change things there first) and Somalia last. Maybe his priorities on which to do when was a bit screwed up, but cannot say that taking out any of them at the time would actually of been "wrong". That time line actually only works if all we do is invade and then pull out without any reconstruction. Rather a poor plan if that is what they actually thought we could do.

I also find it strange that he brings up the Al Queda link to Iraq. As a General that high up, he should of known what the Administrations policies/stance were. As pointed out, it was never Al Queda only, but any state sponsor of terrorism.

Without oil, terrorist jihadists would be fighting us with sticks and stones

Take their oil. Take back the oil. Without us, the desert rats would never have developed any oil industry on their own. Our giveaway foreign policy has come back to haunt us.

On the outside, trickling down on the insiders.
We won't live free until the 1% live in fear.
Hey, richboys! Imagine the boot of democracy stomping on your faces, forever.

Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

Originally Posted by DVSentinel

Actually I won't really ever collect Social Security. Since I have a government retirement, it is reduced by the amount that Social Security pays. To them it looks like I am getting paid it, to me it is transparent.

And yes, I am saying that welfare is part of the cause. Normal human behavior (in modern society) is to work at a job get paid to support yourself. Welfare allows people to not work, but still get paid to support themselves. In any society were you allow people receive pay without labor but require labor for others to earn their pay, the system will eventually fail, always. The correct and proper way would be for people who need government assistance, welfare, to have to also perform some labor to receive it. Otherwise, in system like ours, you start teaching people that they do not have to perform labor but can get paid anyways, a number of them will choose to perform no labor at all. As taxes and other factors needed to support those not performing labor increase, the number needing assistance will increase and eventually you run out of money for the system. Also, your bottom tier, undesirable labor will start having shortages being filled. This is evident today in some jobs already. Further, the children raised by parents who do not work but get paid by the government only learn to depend on the government and never learn good job habits, then they end up on the system themselves. It is not uncommon today to find families who are now on their 3-4th generation that has been on welfare. To make matters worse, we not only do not require labor to receive pay, but we increase pay if they have children. There are many, many welfare children who were born only so their mothers could get a larger check. These children are generally raised without discipline, without love and their parents don't care about their education or training. These are also the children that cause major disruptions in the education system. While Poverty does in general raise crime rates, we have a disproportionate amount of crime compared to our poverty. When you combine poverty with the lack of parental guidance and poor examples of fitting into society, then we get the gangs and the major crime problems we see in our inner cities. There are impoverished nations throughout the world that do not have our level of crime, gang violence and teen pregnancy rates. They also do not have our welfare system.

So why fund foreign parasites instead? Those nations also refuse to work their way out of poverty, unless it is by piracy. Those nations won't fight for their own freedom, which I personally witnessed in South Vietnam. Your selective criticism glorifies these foreign poverty pimps, which makes your interventionism absurd. As usual, ideologies are hypocritical and inconsistent. My heart doesn't bleed for whining and gutless foreign trash. All this foreign aid and intervention has just made them greedier for our sacrifice to solve the problems they brought upon themselves and justifiably deserve as punishment for their own unfitness.

On the outside, trickling down on the insiders.
We won't live free until the 1% live in fear.
Hey, richboys! Imagine the boot of democracy stomping on your faces, forever.

Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

I was talking about both the US and Israel reducing our nuclear stockpiles.

You know what, wag your finger after they launch a nuke.

I am at a loss to explain where such irrational fear comes from in a country with the most powerful military on the planet.

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Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

Originally Posted by PrometheusBound

When observing the decline and fall of a nation, it is more revealing to find out what is not talked about, because the opinions publicly expressed should have led to solutions, not decline and fall. As America slowly spirals into chaos and impotence, no one with a professional public forum is immune from the decadent thinking enough to point out that the jihadist economic destruction has been entirely from OPEC, which has drained trillions of dollars out of our economy by colluding to impose a price for oil that is a hundred times what it is worth. Our continual cowardice in not treating the growing and vicious threat from OPEC as an enemy attack that must be answered by total victory has eaten away at our drive to reverse our collapsing national condition.

Not a believer in property rights? You know, we have only had since 1971, when we passed peak oil in this country to become more efficient with our energy use and develop alternatives to oil? After sitting on our ass for 40 years its a bit unseemly to be blaming OPEC now.

Treat the earth well: it was not given to you by your parents, it was loaned to you by your children. We do not inherit the Earth from our Ancestors, we borrow it from our Children. ~ Ancient American Indian Proverb

Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

Originally Posted by Catawba

Not a believer in property rights? You know, we have only had since 1971, when we passed peak oil in this country to become more efficient with our energy use and develop alternatives to oil? After sitting on our ass for 40 years its a bit unseemly to be blaming OPEC now.

Funny how people who know nothing about the oil business yap about OPEC.

Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

If the US, Korea, and Israel doesn't live up to the NPT, why should Iran?

How many people do you think one Nuke would kill if it hit, say, Manhattan?

Iran has never acted suicidal in the past, so I don't go imagining they will in the future. The US is in fact the only country in the world to have used nuclear weapons on civilian populations.

Treat the earth well: it was not given to you by your parents, it was loaned to you by your children. We do not inherit the Earth from our Ancestors, we borrow it from our Children. ~ Ancient American Indian Proverb