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Re: Fox Sports Rates the QBs--much better

Originally Posted by Jom112

Originally Posted by Oviedo

Putting up better numbers isn't winning or helping your teams. Because you are in a pass happy offense doesn't mean anything. Passer rating is a much more accurate comparison. Ben's will be better than Palmer.

Thanks for walking into that. Here are Carson and Ben's passer ratings for the past three seasons against Top Ten Defenses:

The discrepancy between the number of top defenses played between the two quarter backs surprised me when I actually looked up the numbers. 21 for Carson to 8 for Ben...

It is a season overall not a game here or there. If Carson only has good numbers against good teams he must really suck against bad teams to drop his rating so far. Sounds like a very inefficient, inconsistent QB. Maybe he has a focus problem.

Playing Fantasy Football does not qualify you to be the in the front office or on the coaching staff of the Pittsburgh Steelers. They are professionals and you are not!

Re: Fox Sports Rates the QBs--much better

Originally Posted by Oviedo

It is a season overall not a game here or there. If Carson only has good numbers against good teams he must really suck against bad teams to drop his rating so far. Sounds like a very inefficient, inconsistent QB. Maybe he has a focus problem.

Actually, you do have somewhat of a point there. Personally though I think it's more of a team immaturity than Carson being inconsistant. You see players like Chad get all pumped up to play in Miami or on MNF, but other times he's not focused.

QB's in general I think are more mature and prepare harder every week. Just watching Ben and Carson in interviews should tell you that...

Re: Fox Sports Rates the QBs--much better

Originally Posted by Jom112

Originally Posted by Mr Smartmonies

Originally Posted by Jom112

Originally Posted by ShawnMedGuy

Last time I checked...passer ratings and stats are indeed facts. Another fact...Ben has been in significantly more playoff games and has won a SB. So, if stats and accomplishments don't determine skill...what does? Please give me some "facts" that would allow us to assess Carsons "skill".

So you pick at one line if the whole post and focus on that? And semantics nonetheless.

That comment was made because "passer rating" in the fourth quarter doesnt take into account running the clock out at the end of games or spiking the football. If you look at the actual game logs then you can see how Carson performed.

So while I agree passer ratings are facts, the actual game logs would be a better indication of how Carson actually did in those games, wouldn't you agree?

Bengals vs Bills I pick this game cause I can remember losing a bet on the Bengals.

So you're telling me Washington is garbage but Carson is luckly to have Chris Henry? Even Cedric Wilson can put up similar #'s to that...

No, what I'm saying is with Chris Henry opening things up it helps him, as it should any QB, but without Henry...not so much.

Meanwhile, as has been pointed out on this thread already, Ben has gotten it done even without his starting receivers in the lineup.

So a #3 receiver that doesn't play every snap opens things up? Believe me Chris Perry was more of the reason why we were successful that season than Chris Henry was. Both contributed but not as much as you would like to believe...[/quote:1zfdu9dq]

Re: Fox Sports Rates the QBs--much better

Originally Posted by Jom112

Originally Posted by Scarletfire1970

Carson Palmer has had the luxury of working with the same #1 and #2 WRs throughout his career. Ben had Hines and Plax the first year, then Hines and ARE/Wilson the second year, then Hines and Wilson the 3rd year and Hines and Holmes last year. We all agree that Hines is on the downside of his career and until we got Holmes we had no true deep threat after Plax left.

If you want to use the excuse that it is the defenses fault they can't win games, I watched the games last year. It was the offense that has been struggling. Carson hasn't been the same since his injury.

Don't forget Health Miller came in Ben's second season as well. A big TE threat is something you guys grossly underestimate. Just see how Carson will utilize Ben Utecht this season.

I fully expect you guys to complain that it's because Carson got more weapons like Utecht that he does well this season and it's not him. Yet for the past 3 years you guys rarely acknowledge how much Miller has helped Ben...

Heath Miller caught 39 balls for 459 yards his first year, 34 for 393 his second year and 47 for 566 yards last year. Are you saying he has a bigger impact than Chad Johnson and TJ Housh has had for the Bengals with those stats? While Heath Miller might be a good TE, the Steelers were never a team to utilize that position. Hopefully that will change.

I won't complain if Carson has a good season this year. I fully expect that he won't though. He hasn't been the same player since his injury. You can make up any excuses you want for him, but watching the games, he doesn't look like the same player.

Re: Fox Sports Rates the QBs--much better

Is there any possible way that Carson Palmer could at least win 1 playoff game before
we have to sit here and listen about how great he is? I mean the guy absolutely sucks on third down and his 4th QTR performances have been dreadful. I really don't care about how many total yards he racks up against Prevent defenses. Win a playoff game, Carson and then maybe we can have a discussion, In the meantime, you haven't
made any difference in Cincy. they were losing without you , and their losing with
you. If your so damn good, then carry the team on your back and at least win a playoff game for pete's sake.