He's repentant. He's a potful of genius. Genius that is human and flawed. But must be given a second chance. Imagine what would've happened if we lost Shane Warne for 5 years in 2003? No Ashes 2005. no 700 wickets. No glory. Yes, he was stupid. He cheated his own wife (a worse crime imho) in personal life. Yet cricket chose to reward his genius on field. Asif, Amir all belong in the same category.

I want them to come back, They deserve a second chance.

Ha, tres bollo. Whilst one might sympathise with Mrs Warne, there's no suggestion Shane accepted money to underperform his husbandly duties, tens of thousands of spectators hadn't paid good money to watch them in the throes of connubial ecstacy and there wasn't a TV audience of millions hanging on the outcome.

Aamer's mea culpa about a year too late. Not only was he bent, he then repeatedly lied about it.

But I still think that an example needs to be made out of somebody and better to do it now then let the cancer spread further.

The cancer is spreading because lack of scruples, lack of leadership, lack of mentoring.

People simply don't know what's acceptable, not acceptable, and what's wrong and right.

Look at Amir. Kid, incredibly talented, but as ignorant as a newborn. Can't blame him. His education, upbringing is parsecs away from the "western" world which indicted him. He lives in a world where people have to fight to win a day's bread, heck to live to see the stars and the sun next morning. People completely forget how laws, rules, regulations etc are ultimately products of the society in whcih they live in. And hence relative too.

See, I am not condoning what these chaps did. Idiotic, no doubt. But they simply didn't know better. Atleast am sure Amir did'nt. Darn, at his age, I didn't know one needed to insert and ejaculate manship in womanship to create childship!

It's his only way of earning his daily bread. perhaps the only thing he's good at in his life. He was led astray. He needs to be corrected, not lynched.

The cancer is spreading because lack of scruples, lack of leadership, lack of mentoring.

People simply don't know what's acceptable, not acceptable, and what's wrong and right.

Look at Amir. Kid, incredibly talented, but as ignorant as a newborn. Can't blame him. His education, upbringing is parsecs away from the "western" world which indicted him. He lives in a world where people have to fight to win a day's bread, heck to live to see the stars and the sun next morning. People completely forget how laws, rules, regulations etc are ultimately products of the society in whcih they live in. And hence relative too.
See, I am not condoning what these chaps did. Idiotic, no doubt. But they simply didn't know better. Atleast am sure Amir did'nt. Darn, at his age, I didn't know one needed to insert and ejaculate manship in womanship to create childship!

It's his only way of earning his daily bread. perhaps the only thing he's good at in his life. He was led astray. He needs to be corrected, not lynched.

Ha, tres bollo. Whilst one might sympathise with Mrs Warne, there's no suggestion Shane accepted money to underperform his husbandly duties, tens of thousands of spectators hadn't paid good money to watch them in the throes of connubial ecstacy and there wasn't a TV audience of millions hanging on the outcome.

Aamer's mea culpa about a year too late. Not only was he bent, he then repeatedly lied about it.

You forget, that bowling a no ball deliberately did not lessen the enjoyment or the outcome of that match. It's not as grave as you suggest, or want to make it look like. It's just a bloody no ball in the end. End of,

These 10,000 people who watched this game didn't pledge to spend the rest of their lives with this chap. But Mrs. Warne did. For you and me, end of day, it's just a game, for her, it was her life.

Anyways enough of me pontificating. Summary of matter is : Sins are relative. So are absolutions. But whenever a person's crying out for it, his call must be answered. Otherwise how are we human?

The question that Bun points at is whether these (or any) crimes are forgivable? Spot-fixing.....tbh I didn't even know what it was before this episode (was aware of match-fixing) to what extent (if any) is pardonable? Does spot-fixing undermine the whole match? If it does then why did the ICC only hand out a 5 year ban?

And smalishah's avatar is the most classy one by far Jan certainly echoes the sentiments of CW

Yeah we don't crap in the first world; most of us would actually have no idea what that was emanating from Ajmal's backside. Why isn't it roses and rainbows like what happens here? PEWS's retort to Ganeshran on Daemon's picture depicting Ajmal's excreta

The question that Bun points at is whether these (or any) crimes are forgivable? Spot-fixing.....tbh I didn't even know what it was before this episode (was aware of match-fixing) to what extent (if any) is pardonable? Does spot-fixing undermine the whole match? If it does then why did the ICC only hand out a 5 year ban?

Of course it does.

Amir and Asif might only have performed the "minor" crime of bowling no-balls to order, but how's that different to accepting cash to bowl poorly? They accepted cash bribes to underperform (iirc Amir had yet to bowl a no-ball in his entire First Class career before the incident).

Allowing charlatans such as these 3 to step out on a cricket field once their bans are done makes a mockery of the sport and makes a mockery of the thousands of players around the globe who play out of love for the game. All actions must have consequences.

You forget, that bowling a no ball deliberately did not lessen the enjoyment or the outcome of that match. It's not as grave as you suggest, or want to make it look like. It's just a bloody no ball in the end. End of,

These 10,000 people who watched this game didn't pledge to spend the rest of their lives with this chap. But Mrs. Warne did. For you and me, end of day, it's just a game, for her, it was her life.

Anyways enough of me pontificating. Summary of matter is : Sins are relative. So are absolutions. But whenever a person's crying out for it, his call must be answered. Otherwise how are we human?

You're really suggesting that deliberately underperforming in a sporting contest for a fiscal inducement with a view to defrauding bookmakers isn't "grave"?

Why is Amir any different? If anything, Amir is the least deserving of empathy.

I don't know great deal about Amer, the individual, may be he is filth, may be he is not. But he was just 18 when he transgressed, is still a teenager. He can be given another chance, his life and career have only just begun.

Darn, at his age, I didn't know one needed to insert and ejaculate manship in womanship to create childship!

You didn't know what *** was when you were 18? ITSTL

Originally Posted by Bun

You forget, that bowling a no ball deliberately did not lessen the enjoyment or the outcome of that match. It's not as grave as you suggest, or want to make it look like. It's just a bloody no ball in the end. End of,

These 10,000 people who watched this game didn't pledge to spend the rest of their lives with this chap. But Mrs. Warne did. For you and me, end of day, it's just a game, for her, it was her life.

Anyways enough of me pontificating. Summary of matter is : Sins are relative. So are absolutions. But whenever a person's crying out for it, his call must be answered. Otherwise how are we human?

The no ball was not all he may have done, it was done simply to prove to the 'client' (reporter) that Mazhar Majeed had influence and control over the players. He may have underperformed prior to this, or even more after if he hadn't been exposed.

Not only that, the guy clearly tried all ways and means to squirm his way out of this entire incident, lying outright about his involvement. What makes you think he genuinely felt that his actions were wrong if he doesn't even want to accept his wrongdoings? Pleading guilty after he had basically no option remaining doesn't do jack**** in convincing me that he feels remorse.

If he wasn't such a talented bastard no one would give a ****. 5 years is lenient enough, he can still make a comeback after that period and his career isn't entirely over. I understand that he's young and naive due to the culture that he was brought up in, which is why he has been given that chance to make a come back provided he works hard enough on his own.

Theres a reason why ignorance is never an accepted excuse, and I'm sure you know what that reason is. The effect that a severe ban will have on the trio is valuable to cricket as a whole, young players in the future won't take the risk of losing their entire career for money as opposed to losing out just a few years if they can simply feign ignorance.