Seven years later, more than 60 million people would have been killed because the international community failed to challenge Hitler, and Tojo early on when they had the chance. Joseph Stalin made a pact with Hitler, but eventually, Hitler turned on Stalin. Eventually, millions of people will die at the hands of Stalin.[/size]

and it still goes on ... and still will go on //// that's my point

side track : I am not making fun of you ol'chap but I can't help but see you in uniform all primed and gleaming with medals all pinned 'saying' your post right in front of me
surreal ... pure Quintin Tarantino ol'chap ... I got a flash back to frills and bandanas and afros and flower power and when people still said "groovy" "dig it" "right on"

I get that a lot when I'm chatting/conversing with you military people. yeah I must confess ... I'm still a hippie peace nit at heart ... ~peace~

The international community can take immediate non-military action to resolve a problem, but military action is the last resort. Doing nothing can have dire consequences as was the case prior to World War II. Germany violated its agreements and rearmed while the rest of the world watched and did nothing. That embolden Hitler even further and as a result, he went on a rampage as the world watched and did nothing. When Hitler turned on France and England, it was too late. Question is: How many millions of innocent lives were lost because of complacency of the international community as Hitler violated Germany's agreements and rearmed?

Then, we have Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge . The international community did nothing as he slaughtered hundreds of thousands of innocent people and I have to commend Vietnam for stepping in and removing the murderous Khmer Rouge from power.

To do nothing can eventually result in higher casualties, which world history has shown time and time again, and that is why it is very important to remember world history because if we don't defang the head of the snake when the chance presents itself, it will turn and bite and result in dire consequences.

whoa hold on there soldier ... (sorry I didn't get your rank, if you're a high raking officer I apologise, no offense intended or intentional, just in case "Sir!" )
Germany is a whole pot of different Evas

I'm not saying "do nothing"
I'm saying lets at least not do more of the things that we know isn't working Sir!

Ever occurred to you that the names you mentioned there are just poor soldiers wannabes ? There were poor examples of militarist minds.
They considers themselves 'soldiers' too. To me they're the same as all military people except they lost.

This is about doing the right thing or making the right decision, not because it's easy, but because it's ethically and morally correct.
No matter the outcome or result, one does not lose face if tempering proper justice.

its not the wars ...
its not what the wars did what to who, its not what happens in the wars,
its what the wars leave behind .... ~peace~

~edit : to add ... I keep seeing episodes of Hogan's Heroes flashing up in my mind I hear the theme song now

whoa hold on there soldier ... (sorry I didn't get your rank, if you're a high raking officer I apologise, no offense intended or intentional, just in case "Sir!" )
Germany is a whole pot of different Evas

I'm not saying "do nothing"
I'm saying lets at least not do more of the things that we know isn't working Sir!

Ever occurred to you that the names you mentioned there are just poor soldiers wannabes ? There were poor examples of militarist minds.
They considers themselves 'soldiers' too. To me they're the same as all military people except they lost.

Between them, they were responsible for killing over 2% of the world's population and complacency of the international community added fuel to the fire.

Between them, they were responsible for killing over 2% of the world's population and complacency of the international community added fuel to the fire.

Everybody back then shared the numbers it doesn't matter any more, this is not an equation, this is not a formula or Pillars Of Principles of Governance,
there is no end null and still keep a null end, its not that kind of problem for this kind of solution.
This is not philosophy or religious either, its just the condition of the situation and situation of the condition.
It solves nothing and will continue to solve nothing. Things won't turn around with magical utterances or declarations of determination.
Chest thumping here and there won't help either. Saber rattling is for kids.

I know you as what I only know of your intentions, I know and appreciate your intentions.
Still its not getting us to where we all wannabe, all of us.

Whatever happened to the Millennium of Peace ?
I still hold all to that promise, god or no god, I'll leave god out of this because if there is a god,
god left us to our own devices, left us to our given intelligence,

let's make god proud ... if there is no god then lets make our future generations proud ...
let's make our future so that when they post in forums such as this perhaps,
they will speak well of us ... all of us.

Everybody back then shared the numbers it doesn't matter any more, this is not an equation, this is not a formula or Pillars Of Principles of Governance,
there is no end null and still keep a null end, its not that kind of problem for this kind of solution.
This is not philosophy or religious either, its just the condition of the situation and situation of the condition.
It solves nothing and will continue to solve nothing. Things won't turn around with magical utterances or declarations of determination.
Chest thumping here and there won't help either. Saber rattling is for kids.

I know you as what I only know of your intentions, I know and appreciate your intentions.
Still its not getting us to where we all wannabe, all of us.

Well, as the old saying goes: "Those who fail to learn from history, are doomed to repeat it."

Well, as the old saying goes: "Those who fail to learn from history, are doomed to repeat it."

i couldn't agree more.

How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power

Rumours of a link between the US first family and the Nazi war machine have circulated for decades. Now the Guardian can reveal how repercussions of events that culminated in action under the Trading with the Enemy Act are still being felt by today's president

George Bush's grandfather, the late US senator Prescott Bush, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany.
The Guardian has obtained confirmation from newly discovered files in the US National Archives that a firm of which Prescott Bush was a director was involved with the financial architects of Nazism.
His business dealings, which continued until his company's assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act, has led more than 60 years later to a civil action for damages being brought in Germany against the Bush family by two former slave labourers at Auschwitz and to a hum of pre-election controversy.
The evidence has also prompted one former US Nazi war crimes prosecutor to argue that the late senator's action should have been grounds for prosecution for giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
The debate over Prescott Bush's behaviour has been bubbling under the surface for some time. There has been a steady internet chatter about the "Bush/Nazi" connection, much of it inaccurate and unfair. But the new documents, many of which were only declassified last year, show that even after America had entered the war and when there was already significant information about the Nazis' plans and policies, he worked for and profited from companies closely involved with the very German businesses that financed Hitler's rise to power. It has also been suggested that the money he made from these dealings helped to establish the Bush family fortune and set up its political dynasty.
Remarkably, little of Bush's dealings with Germany has received public scrutiny, partly because of the secret status of the documentation involving him. But now the multibillion dollar legal action for damages by two Holocaust survivors against the Bush family, and the imminent publication of three books on the subject are threatening to make Prescott Bush's business history an uncomfortable issue for his grandson, George W, as he seeks re-election.
While there is no suggestion that Prescott Bush was sympathetic to the Nazi cause, the documents reveal that the firm he worked for, Brown Brothers Harriman (BBH), acted as a US base for the German industrialist, Fritz Thyssen, who helped finance Hitler in the 1930s before falling out with him at the end of the decade. The Guardian has seen evidence that shows Bush was the director of the New York-based Union Banking Corporation (UBC) that represented Thyssen's US interests and he continued to work for the bank after America entered the war.

Rumours of a link between the US first family and the Nazi war machine have circulated for decades. Now the Guardian can reveal how repercussions of events that culminated in action under the Trading with the Enemy Act are still being felt by today's president

George Bush's grandfather, the late US senator Prescott Bush, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany.
The Guardian has obtained confirmation from newly discovered files in the US National Archives that a firm of which Prescott Bush was a director was involved with the financial architects of Nazism.
His business dealings, which continued until his company's assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act, has led more than 60 years later to a civil action for damages being brought in Germany against the Bush family by two former slave labourers at Auschwitz and to a hum of pre-election controversy.
The evidence has also prompted one former US Nazi war crimes prosecutor to argue that the late senator's action should have been grounds for prosecution for giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
The debate over Prescott Bush's behaviour has been bubbling under the surface for some time. There has been a steady internet chatter about the "Bush/Nazi" connection, much of it inaccurate and unfair. But the new documents, many of which were only declassified last year, show that even after America had entered the war and when there was already significant information about the Nazis' plans and policies, he worked for and profited from companies closely involved with the very German businesses that financed Hitler's rise to power. It has also been suggested that the money he made from these dealings helped to establish the Bush family fortune and set up its political dynasty.
Remarkably, little of Bush's dealings with Germany has received public scrutiny, partly because of the secret status of the documentation involving him. But now the multibillion dollar legal action for damages by two Holocaust survivors against the Bush family, and the imminent publication of three books on the subject are threatening to make Prescott Bush's business history an uncomfortable issue for his grandson, George W, as he seeks re-election.
While there is no suggestion that Prescott Bush was sympathetic to the Nazi cause, the documents reveal that the firm he worked for, Brown Brothers Harriman (BBH), acted as a US base for the German industrialist, Fritz Thyssen, who helped finance Hitler in the 1930s before falling out with him at the end of the decade. The Guardian has seen evidence that shows Bush was the director of the New York-based Union Banking Corporation (UBC) that represented Thyssen's US interests and he continued to work for the bank after America entered the war.

It’s the same here in the UK, military redundancies and police reductions all over the place, guess it’s cheaper to put drones in the sky than boots on the ground.

That is correct and in fact, that is happening as we speak. An increasing number of drone attack missions in Afghanistan are being conducted by pilots sitting behind consoles in the United States as troops are withdrawn.

That is correct and in fact, that is happening as we speak. An increasing number of drone attack missions in Afghanistan are being conducted by pilots sitting behind consoles in the United States as troops are withdrawn.

Your watching the Future happen as we type ! Electronic,and Drones ,Robotic warfare is the direction we will go !
Remember "I`ll Be Back "

A debate has raged for more than a decade about what caused the Twin Towers to “collapse” in approximately 10 seconds each — 9 seconds for the South Tower, 11 for the North. A large and growing percentage of the public has become skeptical of the conclusion of the government’s official NCSTAR 1 report, according to which, “NIST found no corroborating evidence for alternative hypotheses suggesting that WTC towers were brought down by controlled demolition using explosives planted prior to 9/11.”Skepticism of NIST’s conclusions is well founded. There is eyewitness testimony as well as abundant video and audio evidence of explosions at the WTC on 9/11. There is also seismic data that demonstrates that high powered explosives were used to demolish the Twin Towers. The gross observable video evidence — if you are willing to believe your own eyes — shows that the Twin Towers were destroyed from the top down and the inside out.

We believe that only mini-nukes — which were probably neutron bombs — planted in the center columns of the buildings, detonated from top to bottom and configured to explode upward, can explain what is observed. If they were used to blow apart one ten-floor cube per second, for example, then, since the North Tower stood at 110 floors, that would have taken 11 seconds, while, since the top three cubes of the South Tower tilted over and were blown as one, in that case, it would have taken only 9, which coincides with NIST’s own times.

This is a controversial contention. Judy Wood, Ph.D., has proclaimed that a Tesla-inspired directed energy weapon (DEW) was responsible for the destruction of the WTC buildings and has vehemently denied nuclear bombs were used. Steve Jones, Ph.D., and his followers promote the theory that an incendiary (nanothermite) was the cause of the destruction of the WTC buildings, while they also deny that nukes were used. So these seemingly opposed camps agree on one thing: nukes were not used on 9/11!
The nanothermite hypothesis has been discredited on multiple occasions in articles by T. Mark Hightower and Jim Fetzer, including “Has nanothermite been oversold to the 9/11 community?”, “Is ’9/11 truth’ based upon a false theory?”, and “Nanothermite: If it doesn’t fit, you must acquit”. Since it is a principle (law) of materials science that an explosive can destroy a material only if it has a detonation velocity equal to or greater than the speed of sound in that material, where the speed of sound in concrete is 3,200 m/s and in steel 6,100 m/s, while the highest detonation velocity that has been attributed to nanothermite is 895 m/s, it should be obvious: You can’t get there from there!
The DEW hypothesis turns out to be difficult to test, since Judy Wood defines DEWs as sources of energy that are greater than conventional and can be directed, which even encompasses micro and mini nukes within its scope. As earlier articles have explained, including “9/11 Truth will out: The Vancouver Hearings II” and “Mini Neutron Bombs: A Major Piece of the 9/11 Puzzle”, there are multiple grounds for preferring the mini or micro nuke hypothesis over the DEW alternative, which emerge with particular clarity from a study of the dust samples collected by the US Geological Survey. It is ironic that, while the “thermite sniffers” also focus on dust samples, they seem to have missed what we have to learn from them.

Indeed, the nuclear component of the decimation of World Trade Center buildings 1, 2, and 6–where WTC-7 appears to be a separate case–is the darkest and most closely guarded secret of 9/11. With so many folks claiming different theories it is difficult for average people to know what to believe. Fortunately, we have scientific proof of what happened at Ground Zero. The dust and water samples reveal the true story of what happened on 9/11. This article thus provides more of the scientific evidence–especially from the USGS dust samples–that settles the debate in favor of the demolition of the WTC buildings as having been a nuclear event.Debris Ejected over 600 feet
The explosives that demolished the Twin Towers were so powerful that North Tower debris was ejected up at a 45° angle and out over 600 feet into the Winter Garden. This feat alone puts an end to the notion that the buildings were “dustified” where they stood or that an incendiary such as nanothermite was the responsible for the destruction of two 500,000 ton 110 story skyscrapers or that the buildings collapsed due to fire. Consider these photos and graphs:
Debris was ejected at a 45* angle for over 600 feet and impacted with the Winter Garden
Engineers estimate that 1/3 of the buildings were completely vaporized. And as Judy Wood likes to point out, no toilets were found in the rubble. 90% of the debris from the Twin Towers destruction landed outside the building’s footprints. What type of explosives could cause this sort of damage? The only thing known to man that can explain this is nuclear bombs.

Proof of Fusion

The Department of Energy (DOE) collected water samples from the basement of Building 6 eleven days after 9/11 that showed tritium levels 55 times greater than background. How does this prove fusion?
Let’s start by defining “tritium”: Tritium is an isotope of hydrogen containing one proton and two neutrons. Tritium is radioactive with a half-life of 12.32 years. Also Known As: hydrogen-3, 3H (Helmenstine) The Canadian Nuclear Safety Commission provides us some excellent background information on hydrogen: