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got my 55" 802 yesterday and so far i am impressed. accurate color detail and decent black levels. 3D is ok but it was not important to me anyway.

one question i do have for owners, is there any way to adjust the PICTURE while in the video apps (netflix, youtube, amazon)? i cannot click on option to get to that menu while in the other input modes while using the apps. this is VERY annoying because im stuck with the default pic setup while viewing. any input or questions let me know!

On last years models you had to view a YouTube video full screen and then you could press options and change settings.

This would also change all the app picture settings ie for netflix as well.

I don`t think most of you have been following the Samsung F8000 thread , thats fine.
Folks over there are having very real problems and issues , and I am one of many with such problems.

My question to you guy`s is simple :

Are there any issues with the LDL-47W802A where a device hooked up can not carry an HDMI - PCM audio signal to the tv ?

The F8000 , not will , I have a Mac Mini 4.1 ( 2010 ) and a Pioneer "Elite" DV-79AVi and I get no sound from either device.

Bought from Amazon , I have agreed to a replacement , although it is my option that the fault is a design flaw in either the audio board or possibly the main board it self.

My next tv that I would be looking to try ( should my replacement not work either ) would be the KDL-47W802A , so IF it comes to that , please post any and all thoughts about that tv , again , I thank you and again please post.

@vincevega44 - i think there is a noticeable difference, the colors may even be a bit more realistic than w/ the 729. Golf channel, crime dramas, news, etc. all appear more crisp, and watching Inception in Bluray on PS3 was quite an experience.

There may be some less deep blacks at the side edges of the screen. (Albeit in bad lighting).... but in a movie theater lighting setting the 802a has very little problem with detail in dark scenes. If you are a connoisseur of the finest quality I expect you will wait for the 900, but this is solid all around.

Compared to the HX729 (viewed over the weekend again) there is little difference, each set has its moments where there are slightly harder to see dark parts of the screen. There is a marked difference in the visual wow factor from the 802a.

Haven't had a chance to game yet - but the video rendering has shown zero lag so far.

Some of the apps are a bit clunky in their design but that is mainly aesthetics.

Are IPS panels okay for gaming? I want this TV but gaming is a big factor in my TV purchase.

Go to displaylag.com

And look up any of the 2012 Panasonic & LG mid to upper tier LCD's.

Keep in mind though that despite what you might read here and there in gaming forums, lag is *NOT* primarily driven by response time unless the response time is unbearably slow, which would keep it from being used as a TV in the first place.

Cogito ergo sum makes a fundamental mistake because it ignores the implied existence of the narrator. Descartes might as well have said "A rose is red, therefore I am".

The reason I find it confusing is because in one place they refer to Active 3D (which makes sense, because LG doesn't make "triluminous" displays). But then they quickly speak out of the side of their mouth and claim that they can do "Simulview" with glasses that don't need batteries. That makes no sense in an active display. I have a feeling they cutNpasted themselves to death on this one.

Cogito ergo sum makes a fundamental mistake because it ignores the implied existence of the narrator. Descartes might as well have said "A rose is red, therefore I am".

The reason I find it confusing is because in one place they refer to Active 3D (which makes sense, because LG doesn't make "triluminous" displays). But then they quickly speak out of the side of their mouth and claim that they can do "Simulview" with glasses that don't need batteries. That makes no sense in an active display. I have a feeling they cutNpasted themselves to death on this one.

I was wondering the same. It almost seems they are using last years HX850 components to a large degree.

Do you think Sony will surprise us with any other size W900A's, mid-year? I think 55" is too short for my 14 feet of distance, and whatever I purchase is going to be what I'm stuck with for about 7 years. So, I'm hoping they make a 65", since the extra 10" gives 43% more viewing area.

The reason I find it confusing is because in one place they refer to Active 3D (which makes sense, because LG doesn't make "triluminous" displays). But then they quickly speak out of the side of their mouth and claim that they can do "Simulview" with glasses that don't need batteries. That makes no sense in an active display. I have a feeling they cutNpasted themselves to death on this one.

I was wondering the same. It almost seems they are using last years HX850 components to a large degree.

Even that doesn't get them magical powers. You cannot have a shuttering TV work with non-shuttering glasses, simulview or not. Diving into absurdity for a moment, this is unless you're that peculiar Samsung R&D Demo from years ago that must've had two sets of the light sources each with their own polarization. But that was a big-time oddity, and no way is that going on here....I just mention it for yucks.

AFAICT propaganda sheets (read "brochures" ) have been F-ing up from time to time for a long time. I can only guess it's a different set of folks writing this stuff than the engineering team---which seems axiomatic.

Cogito ergo sum makes a fundamental mistake because it ignores the implied existence of the narrator. Descartes might as well have said "A rose is red, therefore I am".

The W900 will all have a AMVA panel so it will have much better blacks compared to the W802 . The Tri-luminous quantum dot tech is from QD vision and is being manufactured using AU optronics AMVA tech.

The W900 will all have a AMVA panel so it will have much better blacks compared to the W802 . The Tri-luminous quantum dot tech is from QD vision and is being manufactured using AU optronics AMVA tech.

Historically I've always been amazed at how far Sony has been able to come with their TV's VA (S-PVA, etc.) panels. Regardless of who makes them.

For VA technology, which was supposed to be thumped hard when IPS showed up, it always seemed to be the other way around for them.

Cogito ergo sum makes a fundamental mistake because it ignores the implied existence of the narrator. Descartes might as well have said "A rose is red, therefore I am".

I am debating between buying HX750 and w802a. Looks like HX750 is 240Hz whereas w802a is 120Hz. Any advice/input is appreciated.

As tgm1024 said the HX750 is an all around solid performer and the reviews on Amazon are very positive. I can say from experience the I wouldnt replace my HX750 for anything until maybe OLED arrives. The HX750 uses Active for 3D where as the 802 uses Passive for 3D which I dont care for. You may or may not care for 3D so thats up to you. Also, and this may not be a big deal but the 750 is 240hz and the 802 is 120hz. Lastly I dont care for the design of the W802 but thats just me. If it were my choice I would go with the HX750 but its your money.

I am debating between buying HX750 and w802a. Looks like HX750 is 240Hz whereas w802a is 120Hz. Any advice/input is appreciated.

As tgm1024 said the HX750 is an all around solid performer and the reviews on Amazon are very positive. I can say from experience the I wouldnt replace my HX750 for anything until maybe OLED arrives.

Even then, wait until your 750 completely croaks. From the research done in the OLED thread, OLED has a few enormous nuts to crack, and some horrible stuff might not show up until after you've owned it for a few years: (read this as "blue fading away"). And folks aren't 100% sure it's bright enough to pulse away the sample-and-hold problem. Aye yi yi.

Cogito ergo sum makes a fundamental mistake because it ignores the implied existence of the narrator. Descartes might as well have said "A rose is red, therefore I am".

I've been waiting for more reviews of the W802A... and to see one at a store like Best Buy. Sony has been selling the 55" in their online store for a few weeks but this model is not yet available from Best Buy. If I purchase from Best Buy I will have a better choice of TVs if I decide to return the Sony.

I have a couple of questions.

(1) Does anyone have decent information about when this TV will be available at Best Buy? No one at Best Buy has been able to tell me yet...

Caleb, the longer I look at these things, the more I agree. Absolutely every TV should look like this. Change the innards, but don't @#$% with the perfect exterior.

I agree as well. When it comes to minimalist or industrial design, if you nail it, it becomes that much harder to improve. And... I'd say they nailed it with the higher end 2011 models. Design wise, how do you improve upon something that looks like a black sheet of glass?