I finally purchased a couple discs so I don't need to borrow or play with beat up crap I find in the bushes. I am 6'2" and I have been playing with big frisbees (not disc golf) for a while so max weight does not scare me.

so far I purchased a Buzzz ESP @ 176g and a Rattler @ 167g

I plan to add a max weight soft magnet for a real putter. a flick for overhand, thumbers, tomahawk, rollers etc. for a driver that can get more distance than a Buzzz, I was thinking maybe an Avenger SS or a Nuke SS.

so basically I have a buzzz and a rattler but want to add a magnet, flick, avenger SS.

the course I play has lots of tight fairways and no open 400ft drives except one hole over water. I don't want to throw over water and I can't throw very far at all with my skill level. is the Nuke too much for me and my course? what should I buy next and in what order?

I really like to recommend XL's to people who are starting. They are slow, controllable, and have great glide, so they can get out there farther than many discs in the same speed class. I have played many tournaments without throwing anything faster than an XL.

Ryan C wrote:I really like to recommend XL's to people who are starting. They are slow, controllable, and have great glide, so they can get out there farther than many discs in the same speed class. I have played many tournaments without throwing anything faster than an XL.

ive only seen an XL thrown and never tossed one myself but im still going to quote this. you want to start off with slow plastic and learn how to work those lines. XL will glide like a mofo and really help you learn how to shape your lines.

finished -1 yesterday at the local course with just 2 putters, Ion and Anode. and considering the 15/18 of the holes are 300+ it can easily be shown that having the warpspeed drivers isn't necessary. start with the slower discs and work your way up, you will find that having a reliable midrange/putter shot is 10x more useful on the course than landing the farthest drive.

so I threw the rattler and the buzzz today. the rattler is the perfect approach putter. it flies straight and stalls into an elevator every time. I should have got max weight on the putter and less weight on the buzzz. the buzzz is turning over more than I would like but I can get a good S if I throw anhyzer forehand. I learned that I suck at tomahawk with a max weight buzzz.

conclusion, I should have got a buzzz ss in 160g. I probably won't even buy a flick now. I probably don't need another putter. next I'm getting the XL in pro D and a buzzz ss 160.

Buzzzes suck at overheads shots. D XL beats in faster than more durable plastics and that makes them flip. Overhead shots are hard on the plastic and even thought the XL ain't a traditional choice for OH shots it should be better than the Buzzz so i suggest an ESP or a Z XL. Rattler can't take much wind so you may want to have a beefier putter for putts and one that might finish a little left on drives because the Rattler won't.

Flat shots need running on the center line of the tee and planting each step on the center line. Anhyzer needs running from rear right to front left with the plant step hitting the ground to the left of the line you're running on. Hyzer is the mirror of that.

the XL in D is rated 0 compared to the other plastic that is rated 0.5 stable. but I think your saying that the XL D will break in so quick that it is actually more overstable than the 0.5 XL? as for a second putter, the challenger looks like the overstable brother to the rattler. what I don't understand is how they have a soft challenger in hard plastic and a regular challenger in soft D plastic. what is softer?

talkinsmack wrote:the XL in D is rated 0 compared to the other plastic that is rated 0.5 stable. but I think your saying that the XL D will break in so quick that it is actually more overstable than the 0.5 XL? as for a second putter, the challenger looks like the overstable brother to the rattler. what I don't understand is how they have a soft challenger in hard plastic and a regular challenger in soft D plastic. what is softer?

That isn't what he is saying at all. As plastic beats in it gets more understable as a general rule. You're rating of 0 for that xl, as it beats in, will get to -.5 and keep going. What JR is saying is that D plastic will get to the -.5 much faster than the more durable plastic. The z and esp will get there eventually but it takes much longer.

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That. Generally speaking the more overstable the disc is the better it will be for overhead throws because it flips slower flying a longer time upside down thus not dropping down as early. More air time=more distance. Even in Z the added overstability should not make the disc unsuable for other shots but the overheads will be way better than with Buzzzes. FLX XL is an atypical animal. It is way overstable thus the best for overheads and the worst for any other shot except huge headwinds and straight then hard fade and dump down short flight paths. That means the FLX can't be recommended as a general purpose disc.

Flat shots need running on the center line of the tee and planting each step on the center line. Anhyzer needs running from rear right to front left with the plant step hitting the ground to the left of the line you're running on. Hyzer is the mirror of that.

I want to get another midrange driver. the buzzz 176 esp is just a little bit too overstable and heavy for me. should I try a buzzz SS or MVP Axis? the Axis is only available in 179g+ and I'm trying to go with 171g or less till I can get my strength and speed up. or should I just buy the max weight Axis and get some practice with the heavy weight? I will be buying the XL in D plastic for sure. the rattler is working great for me but my max distance is less than 80ft always.

I've punched out the Rattler to 250' but it is way unreliable there and i lose predictability around 180'. The Axis is way more OAT sensitive than the Buzzz. Buzzz likes speed and doesn't glide that well without it while the Axis glides very well and misses sideways hard per each degree of missed hyzer. The Axis punishes user error way more the Buzzz in Z actually protects from it if it is flat topped. So i'd go with a lighter Buzzz for straight shots and Axis for wiiiiiide left or right shots. The Buzzz is better for in between of straight or wide to the side shots but Roc is even better than that but shorter. User error protection wise.

Flat shots need running on the center line of the tee and planting each step on the center line. Anhyzer needs running from rear right to front left with the plant step hitting the ground to the left of the line you're running on. Hyzer is the mirror of that.

For the next step up in speed I'd go with something like a Stalker, Leopard, JLS, Teebird/Eagle or maybe even a Valkyrie. And if you find a putter you like, buy another one just like it. Two putters are better than 1!

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