<quoted text>You're arguing with the religious, and I'm afraid your expectations are too high.This is the man who exhibits perfect 'cultish' behaviour. He is able to change his point of view, reasoning and interpretation of the facts depending upon the point be argued. The truth is whatever makes the dogma work against whatever particular criticism is being levelled at it. It is the perfection of double-think and Orwell would be proud.I say "argument" because this is not debate. The folks arguing for god here have never participated in a moderated debate. A winning gambit for them would be, "You're wrong, look it up" or "you spelled "favour" wrong".They can dishonestly compartmentalise each point being argued, for example acknowledging that the Sumerians developed written communication way before the Hebrews yet postulating that Adam wrote down the creation story and passed it to moses. This ability to reconcile obvious conflict within hours of each post occurs with no hesitation. Their entire worldview is whatever is convenient at the time and they see absolutely no problem with that because they are fools for the lawd and don't mind appearing so, even seeing it as a virtue.Their 'religion' or scriptures morph and twist to meet the demands of critical thought. I can only imagine the internal struggle they have to keep it together, sometimes I literally blush for them when they post such howlers.I also think you're being very charitable in attributing any spark of logic to them. Their brains work very differently and their internal filters validate every new fact they hear(using a form of pidgin logic) against their own permissible logic which is this:Religious logic on Topix.Question: "Does this idea threaten my dogma?If "yes", discount or seek apologetics to reinforce dogma(a form of mantra meditation), attempt to change subject or seek out typographical, grammatical or spelling errors in the post one finds uncomfortable without delay and fixate on them.If "no", accept and claim credit for said idea.(i.e. "The christian church practised science before 'scientists'").Use the Vietnam lacuna(declare victory and leave). END

I have wanted for some time to make a similar post, difficult to imagine how to keep it short. The bible teaches them, it is full of contradictions, if the bible says "A" it will usually also say "-A". And then there is aplogetic which can turn anything into whatever. The god as depicted by the bible is "the most vile beast ever imagined" yet christians will claim it as love. They have no trouble <moral qualm> with transferred guilt (original sin)(subsitutional atonement). They often contradict their own ideas, and see no difficulty.

the curse us to "eternal torture" and demand tolerance and respect for their beliefs.

RR: My analogy is based on your comment that if I believe in one religion's miracles, I "have to" believe in all religion's miracles.(to which you replied)Hiding: Creation science isn't science.---How the flick is that staying on topic?!?

Yes, if you accept the miracles of one religion you have to accept them all, if you're a logical person.

Why, you ask, as a not logical person.

Because all religions have equal evidence to support their mythological claims. The only reason you really-really-really believe in yours is because you were brought up that way. Your personal experiences are encultured to interpret your nonmundane experiences as Christian. You have trained your body and brain to have Christian experiences.

Your Christian experiences do not represent reality beyond your own body. They're ultimately and only a product of your body and enculturation. That's it. They're not real beyond you, they aren't informative about anything beyond you. They only exist for you, and for people who have been likewise trained as you.

Since you believe them, since you hold them on high, you disregard all other religious claims - despite that believers of other religions have equally compelling reasons to "know" their reasons are "the only true religions." Just like you, their experiences describe their lived reality - and just like you, they have no evidence, no "proof," that their religion explains reality. Like you, their belief overrides their rationality.

So, yes, you have to believe that all religions' miracles are true if you're going to accept your own. Otherwise you aren't a rational person. You're a committed believer in a particular kind of dogma. That restricts your ability to learn, your ability to understand realty to the reality described by your religion.

And it's a small, pathetic and incorrect reality based on defaming humans (original sin), desiring to be a slave to a stalker deity who requires you to love him or else, and accepting fabrications about the nature of reality.

It's all in your head. You cannot argue logically because of it, you cannot accept evidence that disagrees with your dogma, and you can fabricate any position, regardless of honestly, to justify your beliefs.

And you are the example of why the rest of us must always be vigilant. We cannot allow your kind of thinking in science, philosophy, the humanities, any scholarship, politics if we're honest - any important decisions worldwide. Religion has poisoned your thinking. We cannot allow it to poison ours.

<quoted text>OOH, I'm sorry.<quoted text>That is not extra points.<quoted text>That's like......negative points.<quoted text>If by "approved babblings" you mean Christian Doctrine, then yes.<quoted text>We don't have all of eternity to get this done, so let's get started.Dear Heavenly Father...

<quoted text>It's your projecting of your daydreams and fantastical delusions to think you know that another writer believes you're successful in doing anything against Christianity.Points-100,000.

Why would he or I care what you believe?

It's amusing that immediately after posting those words about fantasy and delusion regarding success at countering Christianity that you award yourself fantasy delusion points for defending it with this pointless post.

You have the insight that has become famous among your kind on these threads. Rider told us that "snigger" is an epithet that reveals something unsavory about the author (hello!), and Skombolis calls others liar and bigot between his bigoted lies about Mexico.

Christians respect the Constitution and respects your freedom and right to free speech.

More insight-free drivel from the hive.

Most of you become agitated and swarm at the words you don't like. You don't tolerate them any more than you have to. We both know that many Christians would like to see people like me burned alive for expressing such opinions. You're probably one of them.

And no Christian that wants to inject his religion into America's secular government respects the Constitution that forbids it.

"Love in Christ wrote: Daily Devotions:Dear God, We thank You that You give us the strenght we need to live through each day and to face all that we must face. The greatest thing we face today is nothing in light of Your ability to do miracles in it. Strenghten us by the power of Your Spirit to stand strong and courageous in the midst of intimidating situations.==========Lord, when our would is shaken, help us to remember that You are unshakeable. When we feel weak, help us sense Your strenght giving us power to rise above our circumstances. When we are afraid, help us to remember to worship You in the face of it all. When we need to stand strong, help us to remember all the great things You have already done for us. May those memories provoke wholehearted praise for what You are about to do in our lives.==========Dear Lord, you are our shield, our protection, our rock... We rejoiceg that we have found our strenght in You.==========Dear God, we thank You that because we love You and have made You Lord over our life, You are our heavenly Father and we are an heir of Your kingdom. Thank You that even thought we am needy in spirit without You, we are rich and prosperous in our soul because of all You have done for us. Help us to always remember that we are Your children and we have a rich inheritance in You both now and for eternity.=========="

<quoted text>Don't you worry yerself none sis, I don't harbor hatred like yer used ta anyways....but I do welcome any proof that I may be incorrect in my perception of truth and veracity.

That's just it BT...I don't ask for proof of what one believes nor do I try to disprove it. When it comes to belief/faith...I don't think that there is any one truth...I believe it all to be relative to the individual.

The "truth" that I experience is only relative to me...I can not expect others to have those same feelings nor do I expect them to accept my "truth" as theirs. We all experience life from our own perspective.

I read a strange little book from a far away land once...there was one sentence that has stuck in my mind..."How can you expect others to "know" when they have not experienced your experiences?".

We all want to think that what we have found is somehow "truth"...that we have solved the mysteries of life...somehow...we hold the answers. I think we do in a sense...but only for ourselves...if what we find brings us a bit of peace in an otherwise unpeaceful world. We should celebrate when one has accomplished that.

For me...what sours the deal...is when we expect others to think/believe exactly as we do...when we judge others because they have not found what we have found.

Am I misled...maybe...but I have found contentment in my beliefs...as I hope that others have that same contentment in theirs.

Besides...I like the mystery of life...sitting under the stars...contemplating it all...I am okay with not knowing..."truth". The same stars that for thousands of years...man has sat and gazed at...and tried to find "truth"...that connection to the universe.

<quoted text>will he now redact, as usual?I know that this is an anonymous forum and it tends to exaggerate character... I have never encountered a sane person as self=centered as this RR (Charles Manson comes to mind)

I am hoping that it is all just an act...or that he is a character being played out in Trifecta's virtual world.

There is no Creation science, just pseudoscience generated in the service of proselytizing Christianity's disproven myths.

RiversideRedneck wrote:

Christian holidays should be celebrated as Christian holidays not "nondenominational holiday".

Feel free to do so if you like. I don't think Christian holidays are a reason to celebrate.

And if you meant publicly, as in celebrated in the schools, on public property, or with national holidays, that just your sense of Christian privilege speaking. There is nothing special about Christian beliefs. Christmas is no more important than Yom Kippur or Ramadan.

"But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you."http://biblehub.com/matthew/6-6.htmHow you can not grasp that is beyond me.

That's just a figure of speech, right?

Just about every Christian chooses his preferred theology from the menu, and gives priority to the scriptures that he thinks supports his position, while declaring contradictory scripture as being no longer valid, metaphor, not applying to him, or assigning its words ad hoc meanings.

<quoted text>That's just a figure of speech, right?Just about every Christian chooses his preferred theology from the menu, and gives priority to the scriptures that he thinks supports his position, while declaring contradictory scripture as being no longer valid, metaphor, not applying to him, or assigning its words ad hoc meanings.

If Jesus said "Eat your veggies."There would be a controversy over whether he was endosing vegitarianism or cannibalizing the infirm.

Twist the Bible any way you want call everyone who disagrees with you a liar. THAT's Chrisitnaitiy.

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