Of course everyone sees the odds fluctuations. Often times sizeable. Small pools. Majority of money comes late and up to 20 sec transmission time at some tracks. The money bet in the last 20 seconds before the race is closed...will not reflect in the odds until 20 seconds after the pools close

Of course everyone sees the odds fluctuations. Often times sizeable. Small pools. Majority of money comes late and up to 20 sec transmission time at some tracks. The money bet in the last 20 seconds before the race is closed...will not reflect in the odds until 20 seconds after the pools close

"This new learning amazes me, Sir Bedevere. Explain again how sheep's bladders may be employed to prevent earthquakes."

Gee, I learned much of what I needed to know from watching races (quarter-horse and very short sprints) at Ruidoso. If this quote-unquote 20-second rule were fixed in stone, you'd have odds-changes there not only toward the end of races, but in some cases after their completion.

Gee, I learned much of what I needed to know from watching races (quarter-horse and very short sprints) at Ruidoso. If this quote-unquote 20-second rule were fixed in stone, you'd have odds-changes there not only toward the end of races, but in some cases after their completion.

But they don't. Not one.

Gee, I wonder why...

Don't know anything about the quarters. Maybe find a quarter website to discuss? Any track I've ever worked for did not take any quarter action. Maybe the pools close earlier there? No idea

So, since there are at least 80 minutes between races(hyperbole but close), close the wagering 1 minute prior to actual post time.

Sorry, that would make too much sense. Of course, I hear the argument that something like that costs them a fortune because people bet at the last second no matter when the pools close. In other words, closing early would shut people out. If that were true they would just have to adapt and bet on time. Like you say, its not too difficult with all the time you have. Final odds should be locked and loaded PRIOR to the race. Then whats the excuse ? Sounds silly, but you would know your win price before the race---a very novel idea. But again anything pertaining to logic doesnt wash with these guys. And they wonder why there is no more game

Well, Yimmy someone got something rightAnd you mentioned this same thing months ago. Sadly , it occurs everywhere else. If the money takes 20 seconds or more to show up, why dont the odds change after the race at the quarters. Based on these theories , they should--but dont. Why not ?---because as the man just said , they can lock things down when they want to. Basically that just proves the the fact that Open Windows do in fact exist.

In a $6000 win pool with a 20% takeout, a 2-5 horse would have $3428 wagered on him.

If $1713 of that $3428 were to be cancelled, the 2-5 horse would become a 1-1 horse.

And those odds changed well after the first quarter so its fairly safe to assume the money was pulled out of the pool causing that odds change--- and the odds on the next "contender " went from 4-1 to 7-5. This had to take place well into the running oft he race. No other way this could have happened . The horse broke approaching the first quarter station. This has very little to do with odds cycles as I so often here. Its more like cheating and not much more

For people that watch 1000's of races, as if that is a lot, I find it amazing that near the quarter pole odd changes have gone unnoticed. In addition, I find it more astounding that those watching those 1000+ races, again, what is that a month I hope, have not noticed when they place a wager there is a lag between when the teller hits the little button and when it appears in the pools. Test it out, you might be surprised. Is it that hard to imagine that if it takes 20 seconds for your money to show up with 6 minutes to post, that bets made 1 second before "go" might also take 20 seconds to show up?

Do all those that complain continue to go to the store that "phantom" bags their item? How many times would it take you to stop going to Big Lots if every other time you checked out they took your money yet did not give you your items? For people that like to think they are clever, well, just take that at face value.

I guess the open window guys were out to lunch for Freehold's first 2 races.

In Race 2 the 3 hrose went from 6/5 to 4/5 in the final click, but only after he made a break within one second of the start.

In Race 1 Manzi on the 5 went from 3/5 to 1/5 in the final click despite getting away a sluggish 5th within 8 seconds of the start. I'm not sure Manzi has won a race from 5th at Freehold since '07 (in case you didn't know, that is merely an exaggeration of a fact), so clearly they were either missing or out to lunch.

For people that watch 1000's of races, as if that is a lot, I find it amazing that near the quarter pole odd changes have gone unnoticed. In addition, I find it more astounding that those watching those 1000+ races, again, what is that a month I hope, have not noticed when they place a wager there is a lag between when the teller hits the little button and when it appears in the pools. Test it out, you might be surprised. Is it that hard to imagine that if it takes 20 seconds for your money to show up with 6 minutes to post, that bets made 1 second before "go" might also take 20 seconds to show up?

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If the 20-second delay is inevitable, then apparently time moves MUCH FASTER in the state of New Mexico.

This would have doubtless been Einstein's Super-Special Theory Of Relativity if he'd been a gambler.

So it is your position that the moment a bet is placed it is reflected on the tote board? Hell, I'll even give you a 5 second window (pun intended). Is that what you know to be fact? If it is, then maybe you would like to place a small wager. I will fly you to a track we both can attend. I will give you $200 to place on horse X to win, and we will see when that wager is reflected on the tote board. I will cover all your expenses and give you $1000, however, if you are not correct with those witty little quips and it does indeed take more than 5 seconds to show up, I would ask that you reimburse me the expenses and give me $1000.