I like how everyone is just skipping the boost your player to lvl 90 part, like its no big deal. Only a handful of people out of 11 pages have brought it up, most of you are drooling over the player models, or heroes of the storm. This game is dead as far as im concerned, been playing since November 24, 2004, and that's okay, we'll just have an army of newbies ruining everything, as if its not bad now.

I don't think WOW attracts that many newbies these days. It's a very old game. There aren't that many gamers who haven't heard of it and who are just going to suddenly say after 9 years "hey you know what I think I might try WOW now" after ignoring it for so long.

When subs go up at the start of a new xpac it's more that old players are returning to try it out than "newbies" are trying the game for the 1st time. I've levelled about 10 characters to at least level 80-85. Do I really need to level from 1-100 now ? Why is it important to you or the game that I play that same content through for the 11th time ?

personally i didnt want another new race and class. We have a shit load of classes right now that cover absolutely everything and balancing them all is hard as balls. Every new race dilutes the story presence of all the others and themselves. A lot of races really need more representation in the overall WoW plot.

Take a look at some T16, while there's a few pieces with texture and detail (Belt, Shoulders, Helm) the rest is basically a flat texture across a slightly bumpy surface, you can even see the exact same models for gear only with different textures placed over it.

I'm not trying to suggest they should redo all armor in-game however i believe they should be looking towards fleshing out the pieces of armor which need it, the chest, gloves, boots adding bits n pieces to add depth and distinction.

Just a quick example, take a look at the 2 Boots.. the only difference is the flat texture.

Originally Posted by Potboza

I created a black human male called "Pedopriest" and ran him to SW.
I started asking where the schools were.
Someone said "My kids play on this server you creep! How can you live with yourself?"
I whispered back, "How old are they?"
Yeah.

Once again, this was only the opening ceremony so nothing is set in stone. Wait for the proper revealing of WoD and then cry me a river if needed, for now it's funny how people make facts in their minds when all we have is a trailer and a website with no real info yet.

I think people are drawing conclusions based off of Blizzard track record.

To me this xpac just reeks of Cataclysm... Outland redone, no real lore just retelling of wc2 and wc1 storyline. Already confirmed 2 rehashes of classic dungeons....

I could be wrong about thid xpac being a fail (especially with a free 90) but im probably not.

You know, the boost to 90 seems to make more sense when you think about what content we know of so far, very little 'low level content', other than Wrath, every expansion has had 'something' new for low level, 1-60 range of the game. If they forgo adding any to that and focus on endgame, than it would make perfect sense, we just need some reasonable way of doing it.

I mean, the site even implies it in a way that I'd thought make some people happy 'whether you're new or RETURNING to...'

Outlands is not being redone--they are making an entirely new area for Draenor. Taken from the front page:

Yeah, I mean, have people even seen Shadowmoon Valley? If that's a 'revamp' and not something entirely new...then...I don't even know.

Frostfire Ridge is an entirely new Area, it looks like it was part of Outlands that got blasted off, and Tanaan Jungle, AKA 'Hellfire', is a freaking Jungle. These are not just the same locales with slight ecological changes.

Oh wow, you know, I just noticed something. The nights they showed for some of those zones is pretty dark. Looks like we might be having 'darker nights' again(orgrimmar was mereley a setback!...for darker nights)

"Oh hello guys, we ran out of ideas about how to advance the Warcraft storyline, so we're just going to travel back in time!"

No innovations, no new races, no new classes, just a poor story and a few things like customized defense which is borrowed from other games.....F hell even the map is 85% outlandish. What do you smoke inside blizzard's Headquarters ????? Are we gonna cheer with tears of joy because you FINALLY decided to improve character models after all those years it has been asked for???

Shameful mention: one char boost to 90....what a cheap marketing trick. Looks like we dont have enough noobs already that know @#! about their class in LFR...........You got us for a min ghostcrawler but that was it all you did.

No innovations, no new races, no new classes, just a poor story and a few things like customized defense which is borrowed from other games.....F hell even the map is 85% outlandish. What do you smoke inside blizzard's Headquarters ????? Are we gonna cheer with tears of joy because you FINALLY decided to improve character models after all those years it has been asked for???

Shameful mention: one char boost to 90....what a cheap marketing trick. Looks like we dont have enough noobs already that know @#! about their class in LFR...........You got us for a min ghostcrawler but that was it all you did.

85% outlandish? Have you even seen the damn thing? Really, go take a look at the Shadow-moon Valley they're showing, or Tanaan Jungle? Do those look like their current counterparts? Hell, Frostfire Ridge doesn't even EXIST in Outlands of TBC(which as we can tell, looks like it got blown off). This is not 'Cqata touch up', so far it looks like the promise of it being 'from the ground up' is right, these are new zones....

85% outlandish? Have you even seen the damn thing? Really, go take a look at the Shadow-moon Valley they're showing, or Tanaan Jungle? Do those look like their current counterparts? Hell, Frostfire Ridge doesn't even EXIST in Outlands of TBC(which as we can tell, looks like it got blown off). This is not 'Cqata touch up', so far it looks like the promise of it being 'from the ground up' is right, these are new zones....

Please, please, THINK before you post.

I dont have to m8. This expansion looks like an armor tier recolored. If Mentzen had anything to make us scream in agony he would throw it on the table, like they did in previous expansions.....Tanaan jungle??? you gonna pay 60 or more euros / dollars because some parts on the map look new??? In your shoes I would think before I buy because this doesnt look like the previous deals blizz offered to us.

I dont have to m8. This expansion looks like an armor tier recolored. If Mentzen had anything to make us scream in agony he would throw it on the table, like they did in previous expansions.....Tanaan jungle??? you gonna pay 60 or more euros / dollars because some parts on the map look new??? In your shoes I would think before I buy because this doesnt look like the previous deals blizz offered to us.

They have! Look at the fucking web page for draenor, the official Blizzard youtube account's videos for it, hell, even the pics they have for the other zones. No way in HELL does any of it look like TBC Outlands. Only one that may is Nagrand, 1 out of 7...

Jesus, some of you are hard to please. I think it looked great. Part primitive-looking raw nature and part highly evolved civilizations in form of the draenai. Nothing like a TBC revamp and yet its clearly the same continent. Being connected to your past is important and I for one cant wait to experience the tales from the past.
Everyone who hates wow at its current state seems to love TBC; and now that they gave you back that very continent, you whine about it?

I dont have to m8. This expansion looks like an armor tier recolored. If Mentzen had anything to make us scream in agony he would throw it on the table, like they did in previous expansions.....Tanaan jungle??? you gonna pay 60 or more euros / dollars because some parts on the map look new??? In your shoes I would think before I buy because this doesnt look like the previous deals blizz offered to us.

You do realize that draenor is going to be separate from outland right? You will have access to both draenor and outland not just a redo of outland so you can never go back to old outland. What cata did was replaced old azaroth but they are not going to replace outland.

I don't have the stream, but in the list of 'announcements' in that big list on the main page, I saw that they're doing Blood Elves and Draenei as well eventually(it had wording like 'at some point into the expansion'), Maybe that female Draenei in the trailer was an example of that...

I couldn't find it on the WoD webpage, but it is likely they haven't put it in that 'preview' section yet even as a 'tbd' option because it's that far out.