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Re: Reality Check: How are gasoline prices in your area?

Originally Posted by Just_Believe18

Wow, Jack. Wow. You just proved you don't even read posts, you just inflame the discussion. You posted this one minute after I spent 20 minutes analyzing and writing a responsive discussion to your post! It's like you just read the first sentence and skipped the rest! I specifically addressed everything in your last post.

Just_Believe18 - Post #473 8:47PM
Jack Springer - Post #474 8:48PM

... and you still haven't addressed my question to you and GiancarloC . Where is the solar and wind power for residential homes?

I'm not talking about some left wing dream blog or an Obama administration spin piece. I want something real. Is that too much to ask? I'm guessing it is.

Re: Reality Check: How are gasoline prices in your area?

How about actually addressing a statement without the personal commentary?

Originally Posted by Jack Springer

... and you still haven't addressed my question to you and GiancarloC . Where is the solar and wind power for residential homes?

Are you asking why the Government, or a Public Utility hasn't already provided this, or why those out there who are offering those services are restricted from advertising through government bureaucracy?

You know the same groups like ALEC that actually write local, and state legislation.

I'll give you three hints who the biggest contributors to ALEC are, and the first two don't count.

I'm not talking about some left wing dream blog or an Obama administration spin piece. I want something real. Is that too much to ask? I'm guessing it is.

No, you're just asking the wrong questions apparently, and refusing to research it any further.

The "green technology" is out there, and if enough Americans stop sitting on their asses and pissing and moaning about "how Obama isn't fixing shit," it's possible to be pretty self efficient without waiting for an "ad" somewhere.

Back to this thread!

Here in Dallas, Texas today the average price for Regular Unleaded jumped from 3.55 a gallon to 3.71.

Up more than 30 cents per gallon from four weeks ago.

Never regret anything, because in that moment it's exactly what you wanted.

Re: Reality Check: How are gasoline prices in your area?

The point is guys - stop bitching about gas prices and do something about it like finding alternative ways to commute (or telecommute) etc. Anyway, gas prices are nothing compared to Europe where affectively you pay 8 bucks a gallon or more!

Re: Reality Check: How are gasoline prices in your area?

Originally Posted by cgymike

The point is guys - stop bitching about gas prices and do something about it like finding alternative ways to commute (or telecommute) etc. Anyway, gas prices are nothing compared to Europe where affectively you pay 8 bucks a gallon or more!

Oh wait ..this is CEP...drama central...nm

You are quite the amusing human.

Why, pray oh wise one, tell us is Europe's gas price so high? There is no way that in a string of countries much tighter packed than the very spread out america that there socialistic ideas culminated into mass trans that is now paid for by massive taxes on fuel. They could have the same driving economy but it doesn't make sense. Just like mass trans would bankrupt this country. Mass trans doesn't earn a profit or break even anywhere in the united states. Even NYC.... that system is massively subsidized.

I personally like Europe's mass trans but know it would not work in this country. Every medium sized city that has installed a trolley car for navigating downtown has pretty much eaten the cost and then saw almost zero usage. This isnt Europe so please try and get over it.

And oh yeah in a non socialist country where we don't pay for everything from diapers to adult diapers and everything in between, we are completely entitled to complain about gas prices rising magically with no specific market forces. Especially since we are running the market. The only reason I can see is the fact that the Dow hit a five year high at fourteen thousand.

Still your ignorance of the nature of the USA and the fuel pricing situation is alarming. Have great morning on the bus.

Everyone can be great, because everyone can serve.~ Martin Luther King, Jr.

Re: Reality Check: How are gasoline prices in your area?

Wind and solar power are currently non-existent -- if you doubt that -- please tell me where I can compare and purchase solar or wind power making equipment for my home.
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I doubt I'm imagining the hundreds of wind turbines out on the prairies in Oregon, or the thousands in California.

As for buying such things, I can go to any of four local electrical supply stores, builders supply stores, and even sporting goods stores for solar gadgets, and the farm store for a wind generator suitable for my power needs. So what part of nowhere do you live in?

"Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

Re: Reality Check: How are gasoline prices in your area?

Originally Posted by Kulindahr

I doubt I'm imagining the hundreds of wind turbines out on the prairies in Oregon, or the thousands in California.

As for buying such things, I can go to any of four local electrical supply stores, builders supply stores, and even sporting goods stores for solar gadgets, and the farm store for a wind generator suitable for my power needs. So what part of nowhere do you live in?

Re: Reality Check: How are gasoline prices in your area?

I have yet to see an ad in any of the local papers, on local or national TV with a legitimate solution using solar or wind power for home use.

I'd say you're closing your eyes. There are ads in the Oregonian and the Statesman, Oregon's two largest papers, for solar shingles, solar panels, solar sheeting, solar water heaters, and more on a fairly regular basis. If they're here, they're in the bigger urban areas, especially ones with more sunlight than western Oregon.

"Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

Re: Reality Check: How are gasoline prices in your area?

Originally Posted by Jack Springer

... and you still haven't addressed my question to you and GiancarloC . Where is the solar and wind power for residential homes?

If the "top 100" homes for sales posting down at one of the local real estate agencies is to be believed, some fourteen percent of local properties for sale are outfitted with solar and/or wind. It's a big selling point.

"Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

Re: Reality Check: How are gasoline prices in your area?

Originally Posted by cgymike

OMG...just use public transport!

I have better things to do than wait for a bus that comes by once every ninety minutes, costs $4 for a ride, and frequently doesn't get to my destination faster than I can bike it -- and costs twice as much or more than driving.

"Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

Re: Reality Check: How are gasoline prices in your area?

Mass trans doesn't earn a profit or break even anywhere in the united states. Even NYC.... that system is massively subsidized.

Mostly because automobile travel is heavily subsidized.

"Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

Re: Reality Check: How are gasoline prices in your area?

Originally Posted by Jack Springer

Where can I buy a solar or wind powered system for my home?

Show me an ad from TV or a newspaper.

I don't live where you do. But I suggest you go to a local electrical supply store, and they can tell you easily. They'll probably let you choose from multiple different systems, and charge you an outrageous price to install it.

Frak, I can walk down to the auto supply store and buy roll-up or fold-up solar units made for various uses -- including recharging batteries or supplying extra power for boats.

edit: for that matter, both Home Depot and Lowes carry a number of solar systems.

Last edited by Kulindahr; February 20th, 2013 at 02:29 PM.

"Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

And many of these wind farms are not a new thing... they have been around for decades. They generate a great deal of power... a lot that power goes to homes. Certainly better than that leaking reactor at San Onofre.

We lead the nation in solar panel installation too... whether it is for homeowners or larger facilities that generate wide spread power. Almost 1500 MWs state wide. I'm not sure if the subsidies and rebates are still in effect for homeowners... but I believe they are.

knock, knock

I'm not talking about government spin.

I want you to show me a company that is in business to offer solar and wind systems for residential use. Something that 'joe blow' can install on his home.

Re: Reality Check: How are gasoline prices in your area?

Do any of you remember the last time you went inside the Gas station and paid for your Gas with Cash? I use my Debit card @ the Pump 24/7..I pump & casually glance at the other Pumpers seeing if they're Eye-Candy worthy then I'm out......…

A couple of pages back GianCarloC said he goes inside the Gas station every other day to get 3 Hot dogs, extra Chilli and a 32oz Sprite. I was surprised he admitted that in this public forum…

Re: Reality Check: How are gasoline prices in your area?

Originally Posted by loki81

it's illegal in Oregon too.

it was a law passed in the 1940's under the pretext that pumping gas back then was dangerous... since then, it's stayed on the books. every couple years it seems to come up for a vote, and New Jerseyans vote to keep pumping gas illegal because, well, it sucks. I'm nice and toasty and dry in my car on those cold winter days.

I've heard justifications for it along the lines of lower insurance costs for gas station owners, and job creation since they've got to hire more attendants. we've still got some of the lowest gas prices in the country.

In MA we have "self-service" and "full-service". The former means you pump the gas yourself while the latter means you have an attendant which charges you 20-cents more per gallon for his services. Course now, we have cash/debit/relative credit card vs credit card payments. You can save about 7 cents more per gallon if you pay with the former.

Re: Reality Check: How are gasoline prices in your area?

Originally Posted by Kulindahr

I'd say you're closing your eyes. There are ads in the Oregonian and the Statesman, Oregon's two largest papers, for solar shingles, solar panels, solar sheeting, solar water heaters, and more on a fairly regular basis. If they're here, they're in the bigger urban areas, especially ones with more sunlight than western Oregon.

That might be one of the differences between here and the West. (No, Springer isn't "here" but about 250 or so air miles...close enough, same region.) Didn't California have the first wind farms? I can't say that I've ever seen any kind of advertising for alternative energies, other than the geothermal alternative which is sometimes sent with my electric bill. Of course that's because THEY install it...and in nearly all cases the installation is more expensive than what one will ever get out of it.

Originally Posted by Kulindahr

If the "top 100" homes for sales posting down at one of the local real estate agencies is to be believed, some fourteen percent of local properties for sale are outfitted with solar and/or wind. It's a big selling point.

I don't see much of that here at all. Solar panels around here are incredibly rare.

Originally Posted by MisterMajestic

A couple of pages back GianCarloC said he goes inside the Gas station every other day to get 3 Hot dogs, extra Chilli and a 32oz Sprite. I was surprised he admitted that in this public forum…

Though unlikely, it is possible that the gas station actually has the best hot dog chili in the area, or something. I've certainly stopped at gas stations which had some of the best fried chicken I find on the road.

BOSS: I'm sorry, but I'll have to lay you and Jack off.
SUE: Can you just jack off? I feel like shit today.

"I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own desires" - Susan B. Anthony

If Mary gave birth to Jesus, and Jesus is the Lamb of God, did Mary have a little lamb?

Re: Reality Check: How are gasoline prices in your area?

Originally Posted by GiancarloC

Yea we have major windfarms that power thousands of homes... they are scattered throughout the state in high wind areas. The projects actually started in the 1960s... I've brought up one project where construction started in the 1960s.

Altamont Pass was the first wind farm I ever saw - was that the earliest? Being in a climate transition zone as it is, it's almost always windy there.

BOSS: I'm sorry, but I'll have to lay you and Jack off.
SUE: Can you just jack off? I feel like shit today.

"I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own desires" - Susan B. Anthony

If Mary gave birth to Jesus, and Jesus is the Lamb of God, did Mary have a little lamb?

Re: Reality Check: How are gasoline prices in your area?

Yup sho nuff.... but the rest of America or might I say MOST of America has been slowly adjusting to this for a long time.

Gas would have to go above seven dollars a gallon for me to change what i do.... just saying... and since oil sands become profitable at five fifty... i wont have to worry about it in my life.

Today in KC was a prime example of what will happen to america should power disappear for a length of time. People have no clue how to handle any sort of diversity... even if it means just sitting it out for long enough. Gas and other prices are going to increase as time goes on if one uses the last 100 years as an example of what occurs with prices over time.

Everyone can be great, because everyone can serve.~ Martin Luther King, Jr.

Re: Reality Check: How are gasoline prices in your area?

Gas here in southern Mississippi is around $3.649. It's a bit nuts, and I'm glad I filled up last week before it hiked up about 20 cents.

I was really happy back in September of last year when prices sunk lower and lower. I put on about 8000 miles in 2 weeks so the lower the price, the better!

One thing I think the US Government needs to do is raise fuel taxes. From what I understand, the rate hasn't changed in years, and we have a huge network of old roads that are crumbling and need maintenance. I'm willing to shell out a few more cents per gallon if that means higher-quality roads. Some of the best roads I've driven on are the toll roads in Florida. Tolls pay for maintenance and upkeep on those roads and it definitely shows. If we can do that for the entire country, we'll be made.

Re: Reality Check: How are gasoline prices in your area?

I hear ya Fred... can I call you Fred?

I hear ya ... we need to invest in our auto infrastructure instead of losing value mass trans systems. Until the US population hits some where north of a billion we wont have enough people to justify the vast distances requiring coverage. So in the next five hundred years we need to maintain those roads. The bridges are what concern me the most. Perhaps it is the amount of miles I have driven and the number of scary bridges I have driven over. Perhaps it just makes sense to repair what you own.

3.77 here today...

Chance I budget for 4 dollars a gallon and when it goes up to 4.50 I will budget for five. I pay a lot to drive my truck around when I use it instead of the Mazda. I am happy I have it and will enjoy its use in the mountains over the next several years. An investment, if you will.

Yet yesterday in a foot of snow I was quite pleased to drive past all of the eco friendly jack asses who decided their Prius could handle a foot of snow. Morons.... I took great pleasure in rooster tailing snow onto their cars as I drove past. Then I went and helped folks in vehicles who had a reasonable expectation that they could drive home once freed from their snow drift. Those other folks I let wait the five hour delay it was for a tow. Maybe next time they will stay home. I have no patience for morons.

:endrant:

Last edited by JayHawk; February 22nd, 2013 at 10:02 AM.

Everyone can be great, because everyone can serve.~ Martin Luther King, Jr.

Re: Reality Check: How are gasoline prices in your area?

Originally Posted by JayHawk

I hear ya Fred... can I call you Fred?

I hear ya ... we need to invest in our auto infrastructure instead of losing value mass trans systems. Until the US population hits some where north of a billion we wont have enough people to justify the vast distances requiring coverage. So in the next five hundred years we need to maintain those roads. The bridges are what concern me the most. Perhaps it is the amount of miles I have driven and the number of scary bridges I have driven over. Perhaps it just makes sense to repair what you own.

3.77 here today...

Chance I budget for 4 dollars a gallon and when it goes up to 4.50 I will budget for five. I pay a lot to drive my truck around when I use it instead of the Mazda. I am happy I have it and will enjoy its use in the mountains over the next several years. An investment, if you will.

Yet yesterday in a foot of snow I was quite pleased to drive past all of the eco friendly jack asses who decided their Prius could handle a foot of snow. Morons.... I took great pleasure in rooster tailing snow onto their cars as I drove past. Then I went and helped folks in vehicles who had a reasonable expectation that they could drive home once freed from their snow drift. Those other folks I let wait the five hour delay it was for a tow. Maybe next time they will stay home. I have no patience for morons.

:endrant:

Only morons were out yesterday in the heavy snow keeping state, county and city snow removal vehicles and emergency crews from doing their jobs.

Re: Reality Check: How are gasoline prices in your area?

Yeah I know Jack Morons and essential personnel. The essential folks had vehicles and ability to be in the snow. However, as caller after caller reported on KMBZ they were told to come in or be fired. That is the kind of wanton lack of compassion and care you get from employers in red states who may fire at will and for no legit cause.

Everyone can be great, because everyone can serve.~ Martin Luther King, Jr.

Re: Reality Check: How are gasoline prices in your area?

Originally Posted by JayHawk

Yeah I know Jack Morons and essential personnel. The essential folks had vehicles and ability to be in the snow. However, as caller after caller reported on KMBZ they were told to come in or be fired. That is the kind of wanton lack of compassion and care you get from employers in red states who may fire at will and for no legit cause.

FYI -- that includes the US Government who made their employees drive in and get stuck.

I hope you are naive enough to believe all the people who call into talk radio.