[NOTE: before I help perpetuate the exciting aura of these two druglords, I recognize that they were both some basically despicable beings, who used violence and crime to make fortunes, and who were responsible for murders. So, while, I think their stories make for great movies/music, I need to remind myself that, unlike Hov’s new album, and Denzel’s new flick….these guys were real. Real f’ed up. Which is also why I get a little weirded out by ad libs like “Luk-ee Ba-bee!” But whatever…]

There’s a very interesting story in NY Magazine this week, they managed to get Frank Lucas and Nicky Barnes on the phone together.

Turns out, when Cam’ron talked to 60 Minutes about snitching…guess who was watching? Nicky Barnes!!

Nicky says:

“I testified against the guys who were in the Council along with me… Guy Fisher, Frank James, Wally, Coco, Kenny… When I went into the joint, I gave Guy Fisher a woman of mine and told him to look out for her, take care of her. I didn’t expect him to start fucking her.”

But Nicky then says:

“When I realized they left me on the battlefield to die, I said, “Fuck it!” … I said, “I’ll pull those motherfuckers in, let them see what it’s like.”… I don’t regret it. I saw this show on CNN, with Anderson Cooper. Cats were talking about “Don’t snitch, no matter what happens.” Well, I can’t see how a guy can be considered strong if he lets a bunch of assholes walk all over him and he doesn’t respond, just because of some code that a bunch of idiots have cooked up. Anderson Cooper asked this rapper, “Suppose a child was molested and you knew who this molester was. Would you tell the police?” He said, “No.” So that’s what I’m sayin’—the street guidelines are just moron bullshit.“

Just imagine this cold-blooded druglord sitting in his manufactured witness-protection haven, watching Cam on tv. That’s so crazy to me!

Another head crack comes when the writer asks how they feel about being idolized in hip hop songs…

Frank Lucas says:

“Call them songs? When I came along, we had singing. They might make up songs about me, but I don’t have to like them…I don’t know none of them. I know Puffy Combs, because of his father.(Nicky Barnes: “Oh, Melvin! Melvin Combs.”) Melvin used to be at my house a couple of times a week. I’m proud to see Melvin’s son like that.”

What a small world?!?

The whole interview is fascinating, and even though I think they’re proud of their mythology, especially the two movies about their lives, Frank Lucas and Nicky Barnes are smart enough to at least appear sorry…

Nicky Barnes: “No one should be elevated because of what they did in the drug business. The way we operated—there was a lot of violence, like, ten to twelve homicides, to keep the whole operation running. You can’t glorify that. It’s not something Frank or I would tell any of our children to get into.”

Ha!!! that’s funny!!! They need to broadcast this over loud speakers on every street corner in the world! I’ve always pretty much felt that way about “street code”. It’s devised by a bunch of crooks breaking the law, so over of course they are going to leave by a no snitching rule…but its ridiculous when average folks buy into it because they from a certain place. It’s also funny how a majority of the young cats that have come up probably looked up to a Nicky Barnes or Frank Lucas and not even knew their whole history. You idiolize a man and follow a no snitch code, when he was a notorious snitch.

But ehh, whatcha gonna do…and is it just me or was these two brothers some of the most unhandsomest nicca you’ve ever had to lay eyes on…damn!!!

I think this interview will put a lot of things into prespective for the “stop snitchin” crowd…a lot of these rappers who say and promote this have never been nor will they ever be in a situation like the one that Nicky Barnes was in.

I think this also works in the case of TI..when you have some retards callin his body guard a snitch you should consider this quote from the interview

“When I realized they left me on the battlefield to die, I said, “Fuck it!” … I said, “I’ll pull those motherfuckers in, let them see what it’s like.”… I don’t regret it. I saw this show on CNN, with Anderson Cooper. Cats were talking about “Don’t snitch, no matter what happens.” Well, I can’t see how a guy can be considered strong if he lets a bunch of assholes walk all over him and he doesn’t respond, just because of some code that a bunch of idiots have cooked up”

I watched the “American Gangster” and that movie was dope, it’s a classic just like “300” the only thing about it is there is still pieces missing in the story.

Frank new alot of athletes, super stars e.t.c it would have been interesting to see how he interacts with different public figures. It would have shown a bit more of his character. I still give this movie 9/10.

The scene of him moving in his family was hilarious, I would have punched that old head peeping through the bushes if I was Frank.

It’s similar to the Bumpy Johnsons story in “Hoodlum” which starts when he leaves prison. I still wish they would have kept Laurence Fishburne as Bumpy in “American Gangster.” I can’t wait to get Nicky Burns aka Mr.Untouchable’s side of the story.

Cam’s words were taken out of context, I think he wanted to express how serious the “No Snitchin” code is to the streets.
It only applies to money makers on the come up who are good people until you cross that line or people who are considerd to commit justifiable shootings.

Killa Cam’ does not speak for the streets, he probably doesn’t even speak for the diplomats, nor does he speak for hip-hop. He says

1.He’s P.E no 1 ? NAS’ got that,
2.Best rapper alive? WEEZY’S got it right now Jay might get it back though.
3.Jay’s got the number 1 spot for Ballin!.
4.American Gangster? DENZEL’s got that $40 Mill for the movie. damn!

He better take early retirement and focus on building whats left of Dipset and continue to hang out with Alan Grunblatt, I bet thats where he gets all that “Yiddish” slang from.

wow being the first I guess I have to set the bar as to how this comments should be conducted and on that Note….
First I was doing some research online about this guy “Frank Lucus” and its funny how some people was talking about how he snitched when it all came down but to be honest who did he realy snitch on… Dirty Cops that he knew was on the take so hey I ain’t mad at what he did. Now Nicky Barnes what I have to say is “IF YOU CAN’T DO THE TIME DON’T DO THE CRIME” how can he be mad at his boy for f**king with that girl I mean you do the math Nicky + Jail – girl = she goes off with someone else. I mean this guy snitched on everyone that he claimed to be his Brothers. why cuz he got caught and was mad they were out. Oh and I did see american Gangster already and I must say Frank Lucus was the smarted Gangster I have ever seen in a movie. Weather it was 100% accurate or not you have to admit he was so smart about flying under the radar. To all those that havn’t seen the movie just watch how a Flashy coat can change your whole gameplan and bring what you wanted to keep in the dark to light. Oh and for the record I am not a fan of the No Snitching BS but I do understand if you get jammed up cuz of something just take your time like a man cuz people hell even the cops respect you more for it.

What I find so funny is that Cam went on 60 minutes claiming the he would never snitch but he is the same person that played Alpo aka Harlem’s greatest snitch in paid in full, which is the reason he got shot when he was in D.C
And for those who don’t know Alpo snitched on half of them cats in D.C also cam didnt have any problem going to the police and making an police report when he got his ass beat at rucker park. Hey miss info I know you can’t agree with me cause you cool with them dip set niggas but its all good

Anderson Cooper asked this rapper, “Suppose a child was molested and you knew who this molester was. Would you tell the police?” He said, “No.” So that’s what I’m sayin’—the street guidelines are just moron bullshit.“

If I knew of a father or relative who killed a child molester for molesting one his/her kids? I aint tellin the cops nothing!

Nicky Burns as far as I know aint a stand up guy even by hood standards, he took Frank’s Blue magic diluted it and sold it for a higher price, calling it Blue Magic, he’s a snake. Plus Cam said serial killer.

Frank threw the gangsters with badges under the bus when they got greedy I don’t know of any one from the projects who would oppose to seeing crooked cops in prison. “Frank Luk-ee Ba-bee!”

Nicky Burns: So that’s what I’m sayin’—the street guidelines are just moron bullshit.

MJ: Frank? Do you think there’s a time when it’s good to cooperate?

FL: I told you before. I never testified on nobody.“Frank Luk-ee Ba-bee!” ain’t no snitch. Plus clearly he understands the principal behind the “NO, SNITCHIN” code of the streets.

If T.I’s bodyguard wasn’t a snitch he would have reported back to T.i.P, got T.I to get rid of the rest of the guns, get T.i to fight the case for him and take whatever is coming to him, coz T.i.P let him into his circle and trusted him. Dude is a punk, like Frank Luk-ee Ba-bee! says wht do you expect from a punk, now who’s dumb enough to hire this dude once the dust settles?

I don’t think it’s “it’s not cool to snitch” so much as it is, snitching could directly affect someone close to you..

I’ve never been around that environment but my ppl who have say that they don’t snitch, not because word is it’s not cool to but because there was a time when snitching on someone meant either you or someone close to you would be dead…so you kept your mouth shut and got to keep your life..

now obviously that doesn’t apply to every snitching situation…
but whatever..

to every1 of u lil kids (im 26) who think they know about Harlem, the streets, N. Barnes or F. Lucas because u watched a couple of movies, documentaries,seen a couple of hood DVD’s, etc. are A BUNCH OF F*CKIN MEATHEADS.

Pls don’t start coming in here (a blog no less) and talking like a bunch of triple OG’s. Frank was facing 70 years and Nick was facing 40+ years. Frank told on some crooked cops. And Nick told on some unloyal dudes who were f*cking his women, not paying his legal fees, and f*cking up relations with his connects by F*ckin the work up that they were gettn off of consignment.

That being said I don’t condone a rat or ppl with rat tendancies. The simple fact of the matter is TI should had one of his weed handlers handling all these gun transactions. That way they wouldn’t have had audio on him from the snitches/bodyguards wire. And any1 who thinks that bodyguard aint a rat in the truest sense of the word is dellusional.

If you gonna live by a criminal code of ethics in 2007 you gotta know that EVERY1 will snitch if they get jammed up. It doesn’t make it bttr for ppl cut from a certain type of cloth but thats the reality now. These cowards out here cant even do a 5-10 year stretch out here with folding like picnic tables.

I have to amen what someone posted! Put that shit on “LOUD SPEAKERS” on every corner, and in every damm hood i pep the movie again like someone said a lot of things were missing but bottom line shit was tight. So most def check out tha flick i know Ni**as giong to love it.

Them D.C niggas tried to jump Killa for his Lambo, not cuz of the Alpo sshit r u 4real sayin niggas bust they guns at him cause he played a nigga in a movie lmao yo fam niggas in DC know what movies are!!!!!!!!!!

i dont know why dudes tried to shoot cam,a robbery or the movie.but what i wanna know is why did he get on that jay-z diss song and say that the dude threw up the roc sign?sounds like he’s one confused lost motherfucker.so is that not acurate dry snitching or just making an ass out of yourself?someone holla back.

these dudes is ugly no homo. i was taught to handle ish on my own. the no snitch rule comes from family. not from some mc with a fake name. my mother told me to handle beef. i was told that if i couldn’t handle it than i wasn’t man enough to be in that particular situation. if we police our own we aren’t as dependant on the “authority” as much. F these rappers and F these snitches. MAN UP black people unite!

RENT are you a dipset h8r(jay z poster on your walls)?
you always have something to say about cam…

I agree and co-sign every comment in regards to the NO SNITCHIN code of the streets and everybody who follows it.

This is an unwritten law of the streets that governs the people in the hood, now if you aint from the hood don’t worry about it you can snitch on each other all you like.

The same time you gotta ask yourselves this to those who give the O.K to snitch the suits that run this country have The Secret Service and numerous underground organisations that allow them to do a whole lot of things secretly legal or illegal that might spark public outrage and they eliminate leaks real quick. They know the code too ya dig?

On a side note so long as you have an opinion or a statement to make in relation to any topic whether your source of information is the streets, movies whatever, y’all should feel free to express yourselves and NEVER let any man tell you any different.

they buged out talkin bout the strees codes are bullshit they use 2 live by it and now since they are down they want 2 bring everyone else that was in it down with them they all talk they did that cuz they wanted less time they are both fucked so yea he buggin its live by the code or die not following it ya digg!!

TO ALL YOU THUGZ OUT THEIR STOP CRYING ABOUT SNITCHING IT’S APART OF YOUR GAME.SEE IF YA’LL WAS GANGSTAS YOU WOULD HAVE RULES AND PRINCABLES TO LIVE BY AND SNITCHING IS ONE,ITS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THUGZ AND GANGSTAS.G’S DIRTY WORK IS ORGANIZED THEY HONER THERE WOMEN AND CHILDREN AND PROTECT THE INOCENT.SO REAL G’S KNOW THAT THERE FAM.IS INVOLED INDIRECTLEY IN MUCH OF WHAT THEY DO SO SNITCHING IS OUT OF THE QUESTION BECAUSE SOMEONE WILL PAY THAT FAM.A VISIT.GANT’S 101.

@ miss info…..@ ur note @ the top of the page, yea they make their money a certain way but the government does it all the time.like iraq 4 example, they’re committing crimes & violence& killings 4 profit daily.someones getting paid off of that!the government.i’m not advocating the life but they only doing what the heads of government r doing.

I saw the movie american gangsta, it was wack.classic,no way.so if the movie was wack & an album was made off of the movie what else can u expect? more wackness.watch & c.I have’nt heard 1 hot to death cut of the album & i’ve heard a few cuts.it is what it is!

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