I worked as a bartender at a... um... salacious bar. It it totally illegal to serve someone who is obviously schmammered. If we over-serve and he kills someone driving home, the bar (bartender) can be held partially at fault.*

/this is in Michign//*unless the cops that would come in to do stings were big fat liars, which is totally possible///still can't over-serve. Shouldn't over-lap dance, either

LaraAmber:Okay, leaving aside the idiot with the charge card for a second.

Honest girl question to the guys about the pictures. What is with men and lusting after women who can get into extreme poses? Do you have any proof that this makes sex better when she has one foot touching a ceiling fixture and the other perched on the top of the back of the chair? Do you think she could actually hold that pose while you are farking her? Is it just a recognition that she probably has some serious body strength? (So why not getting turned on by the body building chicks?)

Plant Rights Activist:Superjew: DammitIForgotMyLogin: So what they're saying is that despite having consumed sufficient alcohol to severely impair his judgement, he's still legally considered responsible for his own actions.

I wonder if that legal principle could carry over to any other aspects of the law.

I would love to see a woman try out this line of defense. It would be very illuminating. Anybody care to speculate on how that might play out?

Are you trying to turn this into a rape thread? I am not a fan of rape threads.

There is no duty upon (Hustler Club) to protect the plaintiff from the results of his (voluntary) intoxication

Wait. Don't bars get sued and lose all the time if someone gets plowed the drives and kills someone? I fail to see the difference. Either they're responsible for their patrons actions or they're not. Make up your farking mind.

abhorrent1:There is no duty upon (Hustler Club) to protect the plaintiff from the results of his (voluntary) intoxication

Wait. Don't bars get sued and lose all the time if someone gets plowed the drives and kills someone? I fail to see the difference. Either they're responsible for their patrons actions or they're not. Make up your farking mind.

Something's definitely askew with that.

This is no duty upon (pedrop357) to protect the plantiff (actual, not fark.com, hottie) from the results of her (voluntary) intoxication.

On another note, he has a credit card which will accept $28k in charges in a single night, yet still visits shiatty strip clubs. Shouldn't he be able to afford a more reputable escort service? $10,000 should be able to buy a lot of escorting without the fraud. Last I checked, those high end escort services weren't scamming their high end clientele.

LaraAmber:Okay, leaving aside the idiot with the charge card for a second.

Honest girl question to the guys about the pictures. What is with men and lusting after women who can get into extreme poses? Do you have any proof that this makes sex better when she has one foot touching a ceiling fixture and the other perched on the top of the back of the chair? Do you think she could actually hold that pose while you are farking her? Is it just a recognition that she probably has some serious body strength? (So why not getting turned on by the body building chicks?)

Pro tip: When you go to a strip club only bring as much money in cash as you are willing to spend. Leave the ATM and credit cards at home or in the car. When you run out of cash, go home. Works well in casinos too.

LaraAmber:Okay, leaving aside the idiot with the charge card for a second.

Honest girl question to the guys about the pictures. What is with men and lusting after women who can get into extreme poses? Do you have any proof that this makes sex better when she has one foot touching a ceiling fixture and the other perched on the top of the back of the chair? Do you think she could actually hold that pose while you are farking her? Is it just a recognition that she probably has some serious body strength? (So why not getting turned on by the body building chicks?)

Most men fantasize about the nasty, kinky things they'd do to a woman if they were allowed to. The pictures in this thread merely reinforce the idea that with certain women, some of those things could actually be physically possible.

2BuckChuck:Pro tip: When you go to a strip club only bring as much money in cash as you are willing to spend. Leave the ATM and credit cards at home or in the car. When you run out of cash, go home. Works well in casinos too.

LaraAmber:Okay, leaving aside the idiot with the charge card for a second.

Honest girl question to the guys about the pictures. What is with men and lusting after women who can get into extreme poses? Do you have any proof that this makes sex better when she has one foot touching a ceiling fixture and the other perched on the top of the back of the chair? Do you think she could actually hold that pose while you are farking her? Is it just a recognition that she probably has some serious body strength? (So why not getting turned on by the body building chicks?)

I think it just comes off as them having a extremely high degree of control and precision over their bodies. Sort of a completely physical analog of confidence. Well, the first few in this thread at least... the one upside down in an S just makes me feel a sudden pain in my back.

pedrop357: Shouldn't he be able to afford a more reputable escort service? $10,000 should be able to buy a lot of escorting without the fraud. Last I checked, those high end escort services weren't scamming their high end clientele.

Karac:LaraAmber: Okay, leaving aside the idiot with the charge card for a second.

Honest girl question to the guys about the pictures. What is with men and lusting after women who can get into extreme poses? Do you have any proof that this makes sex better when she has one foot touching a ceiling fixture and the other perched on the top of the back of the chair? Do you think she could actually hold that pose while you are farking her? Is it just a recognition that she probably has some serious body strength? (So why not getting turned on by the body building chicks?)

Most men fantasize about the nasty, kinky things they'd do to a woman if they were allowed to. The pictures in this thread merely reinforce the idea that with certain women, some of those things could actually be physically possible.

Unfortunately in reality 20 seconds into those nasty, kinky things the average guy is a) bent over trying to catch his breath and praying he isn't having a heart attack or b) wondering how he is going to explain his sprained knee to his wife when he told her he was with the guys watching a movie.

stupid club. If they'd held it to, say, $500-700, he probably wouldn't have fought. Hell he might be rich enough to blow off a $2000-$4000 bill. But there's no damned way anyone in the 99.9% would blow off a $28,000 charge.

2BuckChuck:Pro tip: When you go to a strip club only bring as much money in cash as you are willing to spend. Leave the ATM and credit cards at home or in the car. When you run out of cash, go home. Works well in casinos too.

Also, don't go with a bunch of shiatheads who will let the employees run up $28k on your cards then dump you somewhere.

NEVER go in to a strip club with a credit card. If you take a preset amount of cash, not only do you pace yourself better, you will also have more fun (not worrying about how much you are spending) and won't get ripped off through extra charges.

I go in with my ID in one front pocket and my cash in the other. Nothing else. Especially in Mexico. Plus I only go to one about 1-2x per year.

AxL sANe:NEVER go in to a strip club with a credit card. If you take a preset amount of cash, not only do you pace yourself better, you will also have more fun (not worrying about how much you are spending) and won't get ripped off through extra charges.

I go in with my ID in one front pocket and my cash in the other. Nothing else. Especially in Mexico. Plus I only go to one about 1-2x per year.

You might want to include a pack of Clorox wipes in your preparations. Especially in Mexico.

1. A lot of you farkers are getting hung up on the whole contract angle. The problem is this is charges for goods or services consumed, not a contract. There's a huge difference. If I'm stoned and drunk and walk into the Qwik-E Mart across the way and buy some Doritos and Beef Jerky, I can't come back the next day and say I didn't really mean to buy that stuff. I consumed the goods, and therefore should have to pay for them. If he was drunk and wanted strippers, give him strippers! Even drunk dudes know they want naked chicks.

2. That leads us to the other point that farkers are getting hung up on. $28,000 is a lot to spend at a strip club. However, that amount doesn't automatically mean that the the customer was robbed, or that he was taken advantage of while he was drunk. There are bottles or wine and champagne that cost six figures. This dude could have have bought a $25,000 bottle of wine when he came in sober, and then people around him thanked him by buying him shots and well drinks, farking him up. This stuff happens (to people other than me).

Despite my last point, I do realize it's possible that he was to drunk to order more drinks. However, the burden of proof is on him. The case isn't an automatic slam dunk.

LaraAmber:Karac: LaraAmber: Okay, leaving aside the idiot with the charge card for a second.

Honest girl question to the guys about the pictures. What is with men and lusting after women who can get into extreme poses? Do you have any proof that this makes sex better when she has one foot touching a ceiling fixture and the other perched on the top of the back of the chair? Do you think she could actually hold that pose while you are farking her? Is it just a recognition that she probably has some serious body strength? (So why not getting turned on by the body building chicks?)

Most men fantasize about the nasty, kinky things they'd do to a woman if they were allowed to. The pictures in this thread merely reinforce the idea that with certain women, some of those things could actually be physically possible.

Unfortunately in reality 20 seconds into those nasty, kinky things the average guy is a) bent over trying to catch his breath and praying he isn't having a heart attack or b) wondering how he is going to explain his sprained knee to his wife when he told her he was with the guys watching a movie.

This dude should have protected his "interests" better. God knows if I fark up and become a Fark thread, well you are: A) with me, B) Not in Florida or Ohio, or C) fill in the blanks when you wake up, just STFU and stay off Facebook. Don't ask don't tell.

LaraAmber:Karac: LaraAmber: Okay, leaving aside the idiot with the charge card for a second.

Honest girl question to the guys about the pictures. What is with men and lusting after women who can get into extreme poses? Do you have any proof that this makes sex better when she has one foot touching a ceiling fixture and the other perched on the top of the back of the chair? Do you think she could actually hold that pose while you are farking her? Is it just a recognition that she probably has some serious body strength? (So why not getting turned on by the body building chicks?)

Most men fantasize about the nasty, kinky things they'd do to a woman if they were allowed to. The pictures in this thread merely reinforce the idea that with certain women, some of those things could actually be physically possible.

Unfortunately in reality 20 seconds into those nasty, kinky things the average guy is a) bent over trying to catch his breath and praying he isn't having a heart attack or b) wondering how he is going to explain his sprained knee to his wife when he told her he was with the guys watching a movie.

A) a quite memorable, if not best, 20 seconds of his life. And the only reason he's praying it isn't a heart attack is because he wants to try for 30.B) One of the guys tried to copy a wrestling move he saw in the film and hurt me.

LaraAmber:AxL sANe: NEVER go in to a strip club with a credit card. If you take a preset amount of cash, not only do you pace yourself better, you will also have more fun (not worrying about how much you are spending) and won't get ripped off through extra charges.

I go in with my ID in one front pocket and my cash in the other. Nothing else. Especially in Mexico. Plus I only go to one about 1-2x per year.

You might want to include a pack of Clorox wipes in your preparations. Especially in Mexico.

Better yet, find a buddy who doesn't drink and use him as a designated walker.

skrame:1. A lot of you farkers are getting hung up on the whole contract angle. The problem is this is charges for goods or services consumed, not a contract. There's a huge difference. If I'm stoned and drunk and walk into the Qwik-E Mart across the way and buy some Doritos and Beef Jerky, I can't come back the next day and say I didn't really mean to buy that stuff. I consumed the goods, and therefore should have to pay for them. If he was drunk and wanted strippers, give him strippers! Even drunk dudes know they want naked chicks.

But is there any evidence that the goods were actually consumed? I get that the burden of proof should generally be on the one bringing the suit, but how do you prove you didn't consume something. If I walk into a Qwik-E Mart, buy a Red Bull and leave, then find you charged me an extra $5k for, let's say, beef jerky... how do I prove I didn't actually buy and eat 312 lbs of teriyaki goodness in the shop? Or, if I did pay for it, that I ever took possession of it.

I'm sure there's established law for that already, but having to prove a negative is... yeah.

LaraAmber:Okay, leaving aside the idiot with the charge card for a second.

Honest girl question to the guys about the pictures. What is with men and lusting after women who can get into extreme poses? Do you have any proof that this makes sex better when she has one foot touching a ceiling fixture and the other perched on the top of the back of the chair? Do you think she could actually hold that pose while you are farking her? Is it just a recognition that she probably has some serious body strength? (So why not getting turned on by the body building chicks?)

Lust and admiration are complementary, unless you're the kind who lusts after people you despise.

LaraAmber:Okay, leaving aside the idiot with the charge card for a second.

Honest girl question to the guys about the pictures. What is with men and lusting after women who can get into extreme poses? Do you have any proof that this makes sex better when she has one foot touching a ceiling fixture and the other perched on the top of the back of the chair? Do you think she could actually hold that pose while you are farking her? Is it just a recognition that she probably has some serious body strength? (So why not getting turned on by the body building chicks?)

It's unusual and exotic, since most women can't. Additionally, the women pictured are generally young, well-toned and little dressed. That's about it.

Don't pretend it doesn't get you a little hot in the box when you come across pics of a guy doing likewise

Manhattan Supreme Court Justice Manuel Mendez dismissed the case saying: 'There is no duty upon (Hustler Club) to protect the plaintiff from the results of his (voluntary) intoxication.'

New York dram shop law is found in section 11-101 of the New York General Obligations law. Under this law, it is illegal for businesses to serve alcohol to persons who are visibly intoxicated. New York is unique in that patrons themselves may not sue the business establishment. Instead, the bar or tavern may be held liable for damages caused to third parties who were injured by the patrons of the bar who were served alcohol.

megarian:2BuckChuck: Pro tip: When you go to a strip club only bring as much money in cash as you are willing to spend. Leave the ATM and credit cards at home or in the car. When you run out of cash, go home. Works well in casinos too.