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Ray might be a thug off the field. but he was a consistent baller and possessed good qualities for a football player... leadership and loyalty.

Sorry I cannot rank someone's qualities as a football player over their qualities as a human being. Dude killed two people, if he didn't there would never have been settlements later down the road.
I could give a [inappropriate/removed] less if he was one of "the greatest linebackers of all time."

I remember when I was younger watching TV and whoever was on was discussing how Jim Brown was the greatest running back of all time. My dad, a Browns fan his whole life, turned the TV and explained to me how Brown was a piece of [inappropriate/removed] person and someone like that should never be celebrated. He continued to tell me about all the legal trouble Brown got into to include throwing his girlfriend off of a balcony.

This all brings up a recent news story near my home town and it rings true when people put the value of a sport over the values of human beings.
A young girl was raped by a couple high school football players in a small town and everything was being brushed under the table by the community apparently because of the "football culture." Until a hacker group brought more attention the the case. Check it out if you want.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmmbblmCm0A

Ray might be a thug off the field. but he was a consistent baller and possessed good qualities for a football player... leadership and loyalty.

Sorry I cannot rank someone's qualities as a football player over their qualities as a human being. Dude killed two people, if he didn't there would never have been settlements later down the road.
I could give a [inappropriate/removed] less if he was one of "the greatest linebackers of all time."

I remember when I was younger watching TV and whoever was on was discussing how Jim Brown was the greatest running back of all time. My dad, a Browns fan his whole life, turned the TV and explained to me how Brown was a piece of [inappropriate/removed] person and someone like that should never be celebrated. He continued to tell me about all the legal trouble Brown got into to include throwing his girlfriend off of a balcony.

This all brings up a recent news story near my home town and it rings true when people put the value of a sport over the values of human beings.
A young girl was raped by a couple high school football players in a small town and everything was being brushed under the table by the community apparently because of the "football culture." Until a hacker group brought more attention the the case. Check it out if you want.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmmbblmCm0A

That whole mess in Steubenville is disgusting. Thankfully, that kid in the mask gave a damn and took the story to the world. Hopefully, all of those turds involved do hard time and some inmates serve up some poetic justice.