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Yes I know that some of this players make more than Ian but the list is about who are the better backups than Ian, note that I'm evaluating what they bring as a whole and yes I know some are not 7 feet tall but as we know just because a player is 7 feet tall that doesn't mean that player is really a center(see Bargnani).

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Yes I know that some of this players make more than Ian but the list is about who are the better backups than Ian, note that I'm evaluating what they bring as a whole and yes I know some are not 7 feet tall but as we know just because a player is 7 feet tall that doesn't mean that player is really a center(see Bargnani).

However I have to wonder, if we had one of the players on that list would you still say, all of these players are better backups than the one we have.

Good is the enemy of Great

We're changing the identity of our basketball team -- dramatically. We're a power post team -- a blood-and-guts, old-school, smash-mouth team that plays with size, strength, speed and athleticism. We attack the basket. . . . This is the new identity of our team. It was a great effort. I'm very proud of our guys."
-- Frank Vogel.

Re: The bench still isn't good enough

Stats show an small percentage of things that happen on the basketball court and as Mckeyfan said before a lot of those stats are not perfect because they are made by humans(note that I don't want to make this a whole debate about stats I'm just letting you know why stats should not be the(ONLY) tool).

It is a tool none the less and should be part of the evaluation process to include the eye test. Note the "ONLY" I added to your quote. Ian is ok but I would sure like to have another big available. OKC has an advantage there in my opinion. The have out-rebounded the Pacers fairly regularly.

Re: The bench still isn't good enough

I like OJ, but so far this season he's not shown up. Maybe it's the soph jinx.

Mahimni has been non-existant the last # of games. He was as useless as teets on a boar tonight. Fouls, can't hit FT, and his "D" was nowhere to be seen. He needs to get his game straightened out and QUICKLY!

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Re: The bench still isn't good enough

Just wanted to mention that in the second quarter the bench + Lance had outscored Miami's bench + Wade by 3. The bench was good tonight, they did what they were supposed to. They weren't perfect, but benches rarely play perfectly.

Yes I know that some of this players make more than Ian but the list is about who are the better backups than Ian, note that I'm evaluating what they bring as a whole and yes I know some are not 7 feet tall but as we know just because a player is 7 feet tall that doesn't mean that player is really a center(see Bargnani).

These kind of comments are unnecessary / unwanted

im gonna keep this civil. most of the names on this list are not even reasonable.

how are we going to acquire Tyler Zellar, Cody Zellar

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Koufous??

Splitter -

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starting PF.
R Evans - not an upgrade
JO - 3rd big sure, he cant be relied on 20 minutes a nite for 82 games.
Blatche - no way. were not bringing in Ron Artest 3.0
Birdman, you want that guy weraring a Pacers unniform.
Varegjo -- how are we suppose to acqurire these guys.

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I regret requesting a list.

Lets just leave it to the LEGEND.

Mahnimi may lack brute force but he does not suck. those are harsh words.

Re: The bench still isn't good enough

I know that JO was with that magical Phoenix medical staff last year, but I'd still be absolutely shocked if he were able to handle a full playoff workload in his 18th season. I'd much rather have Mahinmi simply because he can be counted on to at least be healthy.

Re: The bench still isn't good enough

Just wanted to mention that in the second quarter the bench + Lance had outscored Miami's bench + Wade by 3. The bench was good tonight, they did what they were supposed to. They weren't perfect, but benches rarely play perfectly.

If by "bench" you mean 2 players then sure Scola and Watson are great.

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Re: The bench still isn't good enough

Some baiting and personal comments need to be cut out by multiple parties. Eventually that stuff will be infraction worthy if it isn't stopped. Just make your points, don't make it personal, or don't make jackassed side-comments that stir people up, and you'll be fine.

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Re: The bench still isn't good enough

Ian's shortcomings really get manified against the Heat because Roy is just do darn effective against them. The Heat start attacking immediately when he's out. You aren't going to find a backup that can do everything that Roy does out there. That being said, Ian has to do a better job of just his overall awareness and presence out there. Challenge shots and use all 6 of your fouls, rebound, set screens, hit the wide open dunks/bunnies, and hit your free throws. I think everyone would be pretty happy if he did that efficiently and effectively.

Re: The bench still isn't good enough

I thought Ian was really rough tonight. Bad fouls, not in position. I don't expect him to be productive offensively, but I do expect him to play well defensively without fouling too much, and lately he's just not getting it done. He can right the ship in that regard moving forward, but it's been bad lately.

Re: The bench still isn't good enough

Ian's shortcomings really get manified against the Heat because Roy is just do darn effective against them. The Heat start attacking immediately when he's out. You aren't going to find a backup that can do everything that Roy does out there. That being said, Ian has to do a better job of just his overall awareness and presence out there. Challenge shots and use all 6 of your fouls, rebound, set screens, hit the wide open dunks/bunnies, and hit your free throws. I think everyone would be pretty happy if he did that efficiently and effectively.

pretty much it right there. Iain got the tools. he just isn't "dale davis" like and that's okay. my guess is its the European player in him... not a slight I mean look at Luis, he plays mean.

I guess that's what it is. Iain doesn't play mean enuff. Hell foster was not a brute, but he was mean. listen,,, don't anyone misinterpret,,, yall know what I mean.

reference Dale Davis,,, if Mahinmi had that nasty streak in him he prob would be the best darn backup center in the league. his versalitility is overlooked by many of us.

Im not overly concerned because guys like a fesenko will prob be there.

Iain played damn well tonite imo. if he brings that in the playoffs were good.

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Re: The bench still isn't good enough

Mahinmi is a serious problem for me, I cant for the life of me get to grips with that he is our back up center. He comes in and he just looks uncomfortable playing basketball. I want to throw my TV out the window everytime we have one of our players make a really good basketball play and find him under the basket and he in his normal fashion starts fumbling around with the ball like its one fire.

Then his free throw shooting, FFS hit one of them at least.

It would be amazing if at the end of the season we could find one of those vets trying to make one last run and sign em to back up Roy (Like when we signed Dale the 2nd time)