CynicalLA:BeatrixK: My guess is that she had the camera on a wrist strap, and, while she was getting stabby, she hit the button on the camera. I think she tried deleting them before she ran them through the washing machine, but AZ computer forensics guys were able to retrieve the data.

Is there anyway to destroy a hard drive so forensics guys can't retrieve the data? It seems like they are always able to get something.

You don't have to physically destroy the hard drive. There is software which will render hard drive data utterly unrecoverable. You can wipe the HDD with random data multiple times. DOD security standards say a drive is rendered safe with something like 7 passes, but there is free software which will overwrite 35 times or more.

You can also literally overwrite every bit on the drive with all 0's. I have a weird little server I use at home which actually requires a HDD being added to the RAID array to be wiped to all 0's like that before installing. I got some piece of software that did that when I set the server up. Takes a while, but it works. Then there's also nothing left to recover.

When you delete data from a HDD, the drive usually still has the file on it until overwritten, but the headers which tell the drive how to find that particular data again have been deleted. Forensic guys are generally using software which scans the drive and picks the files out of the "unreadable" spaces on the drive, and they can probably get some information from partially overwritten files too of the right types.

But once you actually overwrite the entire disk (and keep in mind, even when the disc is filled to capacity according to your OS there's still redundant space left which may contain files or fragments of files which have been deleted), or just the "empty" space which contains the files you've deleted, then there's nothing to recover. Thing is - no one really ever does that. It's often not practical as they're being nabbed before they have a chance to do a proper scrub, or they just don't know how (which most people do not), or they don't think the cops will find the hardware, or etc....

mongbiohazard:CynicalLA: BeatrixK: My guess is that she had the camera on a wrist strap, and, while she was getting stabby, she hit the button on the camera. I think she tried deleting them before she ran them through the washing machine, but AZ computer forensics guys were able to retrieve the data.

Is there anyway to destroy a hard drive so forensics guys can't retrieve the data? It seems like they are always able to get something.

You don't have to physically destroy the hard drive. There is software which will render hard drive data utterly unrecoverable. You can wipe the HDD with random data multiple times. DOD security standards say a drive is rendered safe with something like 7 passes, but there is free software which will overwrite 35 times or more.

You can also literally overwrite every bit on the drive with all 0's. I have a weird little server I use at home which actually requires a HDD being added to the RAID array to be wiped to all 0's like that before installing. I got some piece of software that did that when I set the server up. Takes a while, but it works. Then there's also nothing left to recover.

When you delete data from a HDD, the drive usually still has the file on it until overwritten, but the headers which tell the drive how to find that particular data again have been deleted. Forensic guys are generally using software which scans the drive and picks the files out of the "unreadable" spaces on the drive, and they can probably get some information from partially overwritten files too of the right types.

But once you actually overwrite the entire disk (and keep in mind, even when the disc is filled to capacity according to your OS there's still redundant space left which may contain files or fragments of files which have been deleted), or just the "empty" space which contains the files you've deleted, then there's nothing to recover. Thing is - no one really ever does that. It's often not practical as they're being nabbed before they have a chance ...

Pretty sure the camera didn't have a rotating magnet platter kind of storage

But assuming it did have 32MB of Flash memory built in, I'd suggest the following procedure to securely erase the built-in picture store.

1) delete all the pictures2) set camera to lowest resolution,3) change the date in the camera to sometime in the past4) Take 32MB of pictures of the ceiling.5) delete all the ceiling pictures6) set camera to highest resolution7) take 32MB of my cat doing something cute8) set the date to real date9) put camera in closet

themindiswatching:Maybe I've been reading too much about rape culture, but "PMITA/LMITA prison" doesn't seem funny to me any more.

Agreed. I don't get how people express outrage at crimes like these (whether the criminal is male or female) and then express glee at the thought of the criminal being raped. It seems to me that if you can cheer at the idea of a person being raped, you're not much better than the criminal.

She thought the "glasses and no makeup" ploy would make her sympathetic to the jury. Outside the courtroom, she's... maybe not exactly hot, but at least a 7 or 8. 'Course, I don't expect her to age real well now...

Butterface and a whole lot of makeup and hair-dye. The drabbed down version is closer to the real her, plus a lot of stress of the face from jail/trial.

ElizaDoolittle:Adman12: Nobody deserves to be raped by anybody, assholes.

themindiswatching: Maybe I've been reading too much about rape culture, but "PMITA/LMITA prison" doesn't seem funny to me any more.

Agreed. I don't get how people express outrage at crimes like these (whether the criminal is male or female) and then express glee at the thought of the criminal being raped. It seems to me that if you can cheer at the idea of a person being raped, you're not much better than the criminal.

mongbiohazard:CynicalLA: BeatrixK: My guess is that she had the camera on a wrist strap, and, while she was getting stabby, she hit the button on the camera. I think she tried deleting them before she ran them through the washing machine, but AZ computer forensics guys were able to retrieve the data.

Is there anyway to destroy a hard drive so forensics guys can't retrieve the data? It seems like they are always able to get something.

You don't have to physically destroy the hard drive. There is software which will render hard drive data utterly unrecoverable. You can wipe the HDD with random data multiple times. DOD security standards say a drive is rendered safe with something like 7 passes, but there is free software which will overwrite 35 times or more.

You can also literally overwrite every bit on the drive with all 0's. I have a weird little server I use at home which actually requires a HDD being added to the RAID array to be wiped to all 0's like that before installing. I got some piece of software that did that when I set the server up. Takes a while, but it works. Then there's also nothing left to recover.

When you delete data from a HDD, the drive usually still has the file on it until overwritten, but the headers which tell the drive how to find that particular data again have been deleted. Forensic guys are generally using software which scans the drive and picks the files out of the "unreadable" spaces on the drive, and they can probably get some information from partially overwritten files too of the right types.

But once you actually overwrite the entire disk (and keep in mind, even when the disc is filled to capacity according to your OS there's still redundant space left which may contain files or fragments of files which have been deleted), or just the "empty" space which contains the files you've deleted, then there's nothing to recover. Thing is - no one really ever does that. It's often not practical as they're being nabbed before they have a chance ...

When I was afraid of sex when I was just a lassMy Mormon boyfriend tied me up and farked me in the ass.Then one day I learned a way to save my aching bum,The surest way and I must say that this is how it's done.

LL316:ElizaDoolittle: Adman12: Nobody deserves to be raped by anybody, assholes.

themindiswatching: Maybe I've been reading too much about rape culture, but "PMITA/LMITA prison" doesn't seem funny to me any more.

Agreed. I don't get how people express outrage at crimes like these (whether the criminal is male or female) and then express glee at the thought of the criminal being raped. It seems to me that if you can cheer at the idea of a person being raped, you're not much better than the criminal.

I hope you're joking...

No, I'm serious. I'd think "rape" falls under cruel and unusual punishment. Are you really in favor of it?

I have no sympathy for this woman, or for anyone who commits crimes like this. I'm not in favor of state-ordained rape. Call me odd.

I'm telling ya, her conviction just shows all the misogyny and patriotism in the world. It shows how society does not take domestic violence seriously. Arias said she was abused, why would she lie? Why do we question women's voices? If a MAN stabbed his ex-girlfriend dozens of times in the shower and shot her then everyone would just be asking, "what did she do to make him mad?" Men get away with everything in the patriarchical society and women get no sympathy.

Arias: Son, we live in a world that has pussies, and those pussies have to be guarded by women with hair. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinburg? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for Alexander, and you curse the French. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That Alexander's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my coont, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want hair on that pussy, you need hair on that pussy. We use words like muff, carpet, matching drapes. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very furburger that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a comb, and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.

themindiswatching: Maybe I've been reading too much about rape culture, but "PMITA/LMITA prison" doesn't seem funny to me any more.

Agreed. I don't get how people express outrage at crimes like these (whether the criminal is male or female) and then express glee at the thought of the criminal being raped. It seems to me that if you can cheer at the idea of a person being raped, you're not much better than the criminal.

I hope you're joking...

No, I'm serious. I'd think "rape" falls under cruel and unusual punishment. Are you really in favor of it?

I have no sympathy for this woman, or for anyone who commits crimes like this. I'm not in favor of state-ordained rape. Call me odd.

Just think of the person who is drunk off their ass, takes a piss next to an elementary school on "off hours" and has to register as a sex offender. Yeah!

Anyways, this is BS. The crazy f'er took before/after pics. I thought the pics were forensic after the shower pics. Apparently not. Wow. He has a very disturbed look on his face. Was she holding a weapon when it was taken? Still, I see crazy him and crazy her - she blew up first on who was to kill whom.

CynicalLA:BeatrixK: My guess is that she had the camera on a wrist strap, and, while she was getting stabby, she hit the button on the camera. I think she tried deleting them before she ran them through the washing machine, but AZ computer forensics guys were able to retrieve the data.

Is there anyway to destroy a hard drive so forensics guys can't retrieve the data? It seems like they are always able to get something.

themindiswatching: Maybe I've been reading too much about rape culture, but "PMITA/LMITA prison" doesn't seem funny to me any more.

Agreed. I don't get how people express outrage at crimes like these (whether the criminal is male or female) and then express glee at the thought of the criminal being raped. It seems to me that if you can cheer at the idea of a person being raped, you're not much better than the criminal.

I hope you're joking...

No, I'm serious. I'd think "rape" falls under cruel and unusual punishment. Are you really in favor of it?

I have no sympathy for this woman, or for anyone who commits crimes like this. I'm not in favor of state-ordained rape. Call me odd.

Just think of the person who is drunk off their ass, takes a piss next to an elementary school on "off hours" and has to register as a sex offender. Yeah!

I've no idea what you're talking about or why you are addressing it to me. If it matters, I think the sex offender laws should be changed to address the situation you describe, but isn't that a bit off-topic here?

Dion Fortune:I'm telling ya, her conviction just shows all the misogyny and patriotism in the world. It shows how society does not take domestic violence seriously. Arias said she was abused, why would she lie? Why do we question women's voices? If a MAN stabbed his ex-girlfriend dozens of times in the shower and shot her then everyone would just be asking, "what did she do to make him mad?" Men get away with everything in the patriarchical society and women get no sympathy.

Yeah - because a woman who documents, via pics and a diary, every mundane aspect of her life, except the ones where a dood roughs her up or breaks her finger, has clearly suffered much at the hands of this monster she put down. ( a dood with no history of aggression by anyone who knew him. In fact, in spite of a pretty hideous childhood.)

Seems like the closest thing she had to any 'evidence' of injury was that broken finger...which wasn't healed properly: if I were one of her attorneys, an x ray of said finger would have been front and center of my defense.

The only shot she had was to demonize the dead guy and make up shiat that nothing about his character or history suggested was in his personality, or was there remote evidence of.

BeatrixK:Not ONE of his ex GF's testified to anything regarding a past history of abusive behavior from Alexander. Now, while I don't think the guy walked on water - he certainly had no history of physically abusive behavior. Also...hard to understand how he got so many knife wounds on his back, plus the whole practically decapitated part if she was 'deathly afraid' of him/he was menacing her? Also - why even make up a story of the black-clad intruders: If it was self defense, why bother calling his phone and leaving him voicemails after she knew she'd just left him lumped in his shower? Why try to cover her tracks so well and feign ignorance?

I don't believe he abused her. All I'm saying is your logic on the particular point that the violence done to the body disproves the story of abuse is faulty. There's plausible reason why the victim of longstanding abuse would do violence to a body. Hence, your inference from the violence done to the body to the absence of self-defense is a weak one.

Once again, you have missed my point. I don't think Jodi Arias's memory is foggy at all. My point is only that someone who killed in self-defense, especially after years of abuse, could very plausibly suppress the memory of the killing. Hence, the inference from her foggy memory to a guilty mind is a weak one.

You listed out this series of propositions which you felt undermined her self-defense story. I took issue with your logic on two of them. I agree with your ultimate conclusions though. I'm like a math teacher grading you down because your work was bad, even if your final answer was right. Kind of dickish, maybe, but I was really just making conversation.

themindiswatching: Maybe I've been reading too much about rape culture, but "PMITA/LMITA prison" doesn't seem funny to me any more.

Agreed. I don't get how people express outrage at crimes like these (whether the criminal is male or female) and then express glee at the thought of the criminal being raped. It seems to me that if you can cheer at the idea of a person being raped, you're not much better than the criminal.

I hope you're joking...

No, I'm serious. I'd think "rape" falls under cruel and unusual punishment. Are you really in favor of it?

I have no sympathy for this woman, or for anyone who commits crimes like this. I'm not in favor of state-ordained rape. Call me odd.

Just think of the person who is drunk off their ass, takes a piss next to an elementary school on "off hours" and has to register as a sex offender. Yeah!

I've no idea what you're talking about or why you are addressing it to me. If it matters, I think the sex offender laws should be changed to address the situation you describe, but isn't that a bit off-topic here?

Eh. Booze is my excuse. Please post this on my lawn because I read "Lolita":

I have no sympathy for this woman, or for anyone who commits crimes like this. I'm not in favor of state-ordained rape. Call me odd.

Agreed. Of course just the chance that someone will be raped by big bubba I'm sure has made some think twice before committing a crime.

What do you mean? You're against prison rape but in favor of it because smaller men might think twice before committing a crime? Have you seen Shawshank Redemption? [SPOILER ALERT: One criminal is 6'4" and he wasn't even guilty.]

If the death penalty isn't effective as a deterrent, why would the prison-sanctioned rape penalty be different? It's not as though most criminals think things through. As evidenced by this case.

Dion Fortune:I'm telling ya, her conviction just shows all the misogyny and patriotism in the world. It shows how society does not take domestic violence seriously. Arias said she was abused, why would she lie? Why do we question women's voices? If a MAN stabbed his ex-girlfriend dozens of times in the shower and shot her then everyone would just be asking, "what did she do to make him mad?" Men get away with everything in the patriarchical society and women get no sympathy.

I have no sympathy for this woman, or for anyone who commits crimes like this. I'm not in favor of state-ordained rape. Call me odd.

Agreed. Of course just the chance that someone will be raped by big bubba I'm sure has made some think twice before committing a crime.

What do you mean? You're against prison rape but in favor of it because smaller men might think twice before committing a crime? Have you seen Shawshank Redemption? [SPOILER ALERT: One criminal is 6'4" and he wasn't even guilty.]

If the death penalty isn't effective as a deterrent, why would the prison-sanctioned rape penalty be different? It's not as though most criminals think things through. As evidenced by this case.

apples/oranges with it comes to being a deterrent. I would never wish it on anyone and it should never be encouraged or covered up by the prison system; Prison rape will always be part of the system and if a program like scared straight uses it as a deterrent I'm okay with it.

Just like the death penalty, I'm not a fan but from time to time there are those who's crime fit the penalty.

Then let's agree to disagree on whether rape is acceptable within the prison system. And how to spell who's when you mean whose. I know, your phone made you do that.

I have no sympathy for this woman, or for anyone who commits crimes like this. I'm not in favor of state-ordained rape. Call me odd.

Agreed. Of course just the chance that someone will be raped by big bubba I'm sure has made some think twice before committing a crime.

What do you mean? You're against prison rape but in favor of it because smaller men might think twice before committing a crime? Have you seen Shawshank Redemption? [SPOILER ALERT: One criminal is 6'4" and he wasn't even guilty.]

If the death penalty isn't effective as a deterrent, why would the prison-sanctioned rape penalty be different? It's not as though most criminals think things through. As evidenced by this case.

apples/oranges with it comes to being a deterrent. I would never wish it on anyone and it should never be encouraged or covered up by the prison system; Prison rape will always be part of the system and if a program like scared straight uses it as a deterrent I'm okay with it.

Just like the death penalty, I'm not a fan but from time to time there are those who's crime fit the penalty.

Then let's agree to disagree on whether rape is acceptable within the prison system. And how to spell who's when you mean whose. I know, your phone made you do that.

I've been following this case since it happened. This chick is crazy as shiat. If you watched the trial online you saw all the nekkid photos and all that. Wowza. Slit his throat, shot him in the head, and stabbed him repeatedly. Yeah, self-defense.

What really scared me was the supposed expert on domestic abuse that truly believed she was a victim of domestic abuse. I thought that was going to get her off the hook. There are "experts" in domestic abuse that believed her story and will testify to that fact. Ridiculous