Alliance War Campaign Part 2: Blood on the Sand

\rThe next segment of the Alliance War Campaign has been added on the Battle for Azeroth Beta. The following set of quests continue the War Campaign after you set up your footholds in Zandalar.\r\rThe first part of the War Campaign is to establish the mission table and set up footholds in each Horde zone. Click here to see Part 1 of the Alliance War Campaign: Establishing Footholds.\r\rSee the Alliance War Campaign Story:\rPart 1: Establishing Footholds\rPart 2: Blood on the Sand\rPart 3: Chasing Darkness\rPart 4: A Golden Opportunity\rPart 5: Blood in the Water\rPart 6: The Strike on Zuldazar\r\rWARNING: SPOILERS AHEAD!\r\r\r\rUniting Kul Tiras\rFrom the end of the last part, you must now unite Kul Tiras. You need to reach Friendly with the 3 Kul Tiran factions:\r\r\rTiragarde Sound: Prachtmeeradmiralität - Masters of the sea and commanders of Azeroth's finest navy, the distinguished Proudmoore family has led Kul Tiras for decades from their seat of power in Boralus.\rDrustvar: Glutorden - An ancient Kul Tiran order resurrected to battle the threat of witchcraft, the Order of Embers fight with knowledge guiding their blades.\rStormsong Valley: Die Sturmwacht - Home to farmers, craftsmen, soldiers, and the mysterious tidesages, the Storm's Wake seeks to reclaim Stormsong Valley and affirm their place in Kul Tiras.\r\r\rIf you quested in each zone, you should have enough reputation to unlock this quest as soon as you hit 120. If not, many quests can award up to 500 reputation. Uniting Kul Tiras also unlocks World Quests in both Kul Tiras and Zandalar, as well as Pfeife des Flugmeisters's usage on both continents.\r\rVol'dun\rWith our partnership with the Kul Tirans close to assured, it's time for us to go back to Zandalar and eliminate priority Horde targets, on a list assembled by Spymaster Mathias Shaw. The first target is Arlethal Bloodwatcher, the highest member of the Reliquary, a Blood Elf's excavation force. Arlethal is excavating right in the middle of Vol'dun, so it should be an easy elimination.\r\rThe Vol'dun Plan\rShandris Feathermoon accompanies you and Halford Wyrmbane on this questline, starting with Der Plan für Vol'dun.\r\r \r\rArriving at Shatterstone Harbor, we discuss a strategy plan with Wyrmbane and Shandris on Der Plan für Vol'dun. First, we go over Wyrmbane's plan:\r\rHalford Wyrmbane says: Sunwatcher is, as a member of the Reliquary, here on an archaeological mission.\rShandris Feathermoon says: Archaeology?\rHalford Wyrmbane says: Yes. Our intel suggests at least three excavations.\rHalford Wyrmbane says: I'd like to execute a synchronized incendiary attack on all of their excavation sites.\rShandris Feathermoon says: You want to... set off a bunch of bombs at once.\rHalford Wyrmbane says: Affirmative! Consequently, I've enlisted a crack team of commandos with the technical expertise to do so.\rKelsey Steelspark says: Hey hey!\rHalford Wyrmbane says: The Gnomeregan Covert Ops team will plant bombs to draw out Sunwatcher, and then we will assault them in the confusion.\r\rShandris wants a more direct approach:\r\rShandris Feathermoon says: My strategy?\rShandris Feathermoon says: Find Sunwatcher, then fill him with arrows.\r\rComb the Desert\r\rWyrmbane wants to go through with both plans. On Durchkämmt die Wüste, Wyrmbane joins us to search for Horde activity in Vol'dun. After a bit of traveling, you both spot Nazlara, a Goblin with a Reliquary tabard. Shandris concludes that the Reliquary must be hiring goblins to do their dirty work. By slaying Nazlara on Schmutzige Arbeit, we find on her corpse the Befehle der Archäologischen Akademie, indicating the location of a Horde excavation camp.\r\rClassic Reliquary\rOn Keep Combing, you reach Atul'Aman, where you find a couple of Reliquary Ambassadors. On Klassische Archäologie, we assassinate Elisa Schleiersang and Daxx Bombenhand, and retrieve the Karte der Archäologischen Akademie: Vol'dun out of them. With the location of all Horde excavation sites in hand, we must Hört niemals auf zu kämmen. \r\rImprovised Survival\rWyrmbane, in his rush to pack Kelsey's gyrocopter with bombs, forgot water and rations, By reaching a Zandalari camp, we steal some from them on Improvisierte Überlebenskunst, and also leave Eine Botschaft an die Zandalari, that the Alliance is not to be trifled with. One of the gnomes from the Gnome Covert Ops also wants to obtain a Lost Alpaca on Sie haben hier Alpakas.\r\rThe Big Boom\rAfter resupplying with Zandalari rations, you finally reach the camp where Arlethal Sonnenwächter is. He offers little resistance against you and Shandris on Von Pfeilen durchlöchert, and in Verspätete Todifizierung, you help bury some of the Gnome Covert Ops' bombs. After dispatching the Reliquary commander, we return to Wyrmbane, who orders for the deployment of the Vol'dun Explosion Protocol on Der große Knall. \r\rOn a very gnomish Covert Ops mission, you ride on a gyrocopter and communicate with the gnomes and remotely detonate all excavation camps. It's truly a sight!\r\r \r\rBlood and Sand\rMission successful, the target has been eliminated and you also set back Horde operations a good bunch. It's time to return to Kul Tiras! After assembling the entire team, you notice that one of the gnomes is running a bit late. You go to a nearby telescope to see if you can find him nearby. However... It is discovered that the Horde is seemingly using of darker and darker allies.\r\r \r\rA San'layn appears and kills the gnome in cold blood. The Alliance team is not very happy about it:\r\rKelsey Steelspark says: G-Guzzy's dead?\rHalford Wyrmbane says: What you're describing sounds like one of the san'layn... a blood prince.\rHalford Wyrmbane says: Is the Horde really employing those vampiric elves? How far they've fallen.\rHalford Wyrmbane says: King Anduin must be informed at once. Our task is complete here, but our mission has only just begun.\rHalford Wyrmbane says: I'll call for you again when you are needed. For the Alliance.\r\rWe return home with a victory in our hands, as well as a dark discovery.\r\rNext Steps: Nazmir\rAfter completing this section of the War Campaign, it's time to head to Nazmir. The operations in Fort Victory, led by John J. Keeshan, spotted one of Sylvanas' Dark Rangers in the zone. Being some of Sylvanas' deadliest soldiers and scouts, killing one of them is sure to cripple Horde operations further. \r\r \r\rThe quest of the quest chain is incomplete right now, not being able to do much further beyond this quest chain.\r\rSan'layn Horde datamining\r\rAbout the san'layn, we datamined this interesting interaction between Princess Talanji and Rokhan, talking about Sylvanas wanting to strike an Alliance with them. Talanji, however, is suspicious:\r\rRokhan: Princess, thank ya for comin' down from Zandalar. We be hard at work here keepin' back da blood trolls and Alliance invaders.\t\rTalanji:\tApologies for my delay, Rokhan. Tell me of your status here. Has dis Captain Areiel been useful?\rRokhan: Areiel be killin' both da Alliance and blood troll forces and helped us establish a base in da Necropolis.\t\rTalanji:\tAnd yet she is not here. Is she too busy to give a simple status report?\rDreven: Captain Areiel is not coming because she is slain, Talanji.\t\rTalanji: Princess Talanji to you, Prince Dreven. And how do you know dat?\rDreven: Call it one of my special traits. The Alliance have disrupted the Horde forces in the Necropolis and killed Areiel in the process.\t\rTalanji or Rokhan: Sylvanas ain't gonna like dat. We need ta be movin' fast on our plan ta stop da Alliance, Prince Dreven.\t\rTalanji or Rokhan: Dere is a collapsed tunnel to de south of here dat connects Nazmir and Vol'dun. Clear it, and de Horde will be able to strike de main Alliance base in Vol'dun with ease.\rTalanji or Rokhan: Dere be a collapsed tunnel dat connects Nazmir ta Vol'dun. Take ya followers, use ya powers ta clear da rubble, den we be attackin' da main Alliance forces.\t\rDreven: You want us to use our abilities... to move rocks. And why should I follow you, troll?\t\rTalanji or Rokhan: Because part of ya agreement with Sylvanas was respectin' da hierarchy of authority within da Horde, and brudda, I be outrankin' ya.\t\rDreven: ... I shall do as you ask, for now. We will clear this tunnel and send word when your forces can move out.\t\rTalanji:\tI do not trust dis Dreven, Rokhan. It is not wise to involve san'layn, of all things, in dis conflict.\rRokhan: Sylvanas wants ta give 'em a chance. Dey got no home left. If dey can work with us, den dey got a home with da Horde. If not, dey be gone.\t\rTalanji:\tI see. I shall return to Zuldazar. Keep me informed of de Horde operations in Nazmir. And be careful, Rokhan.\rRokhan: Always, princess.\r\rIt is very implied that Dreven is Blutprinz Dreven, a datamined San'layn NPC. He could also be possibly the one who killed Guzzy.

Kommentare

Kommentar von Synea

on 2018-05-13T14:08:06-05:00

If this is the extent of how "dark" the Alliance are supposed to get colour me unimpressed. Attacking Scourge-aligned archaeologists after the Lich Queen has declared total war doesn't even begin to match MoP, let alone the atrocities of BfA.\rAnd of course it's immediately followed up by an appearance of the San'layn in case you somehow forgot the Horde is evil and deserving of severe punishment. Can't have Alliance players begin to question their righteousness.\r\rBut I'm sure there will be some desperate enough to try and play the equivalency card here.

Kommentar von MGoblin256

on 2018-05-13T14:17:15-05:00

Call the San'layn dark and evil all you want, but Guzzy exploding into a skeleton after being exsanguinated and slam-dunked is probably one of the best and hilariously over the top deaths in WoW I've seen period..

Kommentar von MPaBkaTa

on 2018-05-13T14:34:34-05:00

How are the san'layn more morally bankrupt than your standard Forsaken, they're both former Scourge. Even the game acknowledges that it isn't anything special and DKs on both sides use the same powers. That and the guy is only deployed after you already nuke the archaelogists.\r\rinb4 muh Lich Queen, muh Blizzard ruined the light

Kommentar von Synea

on 2018-05-13T14:37:15-05:00

How are the san'layn more morally bankrupt than your standard Forsaken, they're both former Scourge. Even the game acknowledges that it isn't anything special and DKs on both sides use the same powers. That and the guy is only deployed after you already nuke the archaelogists.

inb4 muh Lich Queen, muh Blizzard ruined the light

The San'layn revel in causing pain and suffering in their victims, and the death of the Lich King didn't stop them from that.They are corrupted beyond reprieve. Unlike Death Knights and standard undead they have no chance to recover and don't want to recover.

Allying with unrepentant members of the Scourge is as bad as allying with Man'ari Eredar or Twilight's Hammer cultists.And as an aside don't you think it's a little tacky the fact that Sylvanas and the Forsaken are acting like the Scourge 2, that on top of that it looks like she's using the Horde as a foundation for a new undead empire?

Kommentar von Perothvius

on 2018-05-13T14:41:30-05:00

How are the san'layn more morally bankrupt than your standard Forsaken, they're both former Scourge. Even the game acknowledges that it isn't anything special and DKs on both sides use the same powers. That and the guy is only deployed after you already nuke the archaelogists.\r\rinb4 muh Lich Queen, muh Blizzard ruined the light\r\rThe San'layn revel in causing pain and suffering in their victims, and the death of the Lich King didn't stop them from that.\rThey are corrupted beyond reprieve. Unlike Death Knights and standard undead they have no chance to recover and don't want to recover.\r\rAllying with unrepentant members of the Scourge is as bad as allying with Man'ari Eredar or Twilight's Hammer cultists.\rAnd as an aside don't you think it's a little tacky the fact that Sylvanas and the Forsaken are acting like the Scourge 2, that on top of that it looks like she's using the Horde as a foundation for a new undead empire?\r\r\rYou are so boring, man =D\rIf you don't want san'layn just stay in stormwind with you human pally and shut up x)

Kommentar von MPaBkaTa

on 2018-05-13T14:41:49-05:00

Hysteria aside, that still doesn't make them any different than death knights who have to inflict suffering to stay sane and are members of both factions and are also past Scourge recruits. As are the val'kyr. The only thing they do have is a different look, but there's no appreciable difference between a san'layn and a blood dk blood elf in temperament or skillset. Them joining the Horde is no different than the forsaken joining the Horde, as the chat with Rokhan and Talanji makes clear and they don't have any special privileges.

Kommentar von Synea

on 2018-05-13T14:48:01-05:00

Hysteria aside, that still doesn't make them any different than death knights who have to inflict suffering to stay sane

False. They have to fight and kill to stay without pain. Anything counts. Scourge, demons, etc.They do not specifically have to inflict suffering, and nothing says the San'layn have to inflict suffering. They just enjoy doing so, whereas a Death Knight must kill whether they like it or not.

and are members of both factions and are also past Scourge recruits.

Who are nominally repentant.

As are the val'kyr.

What makes you think them joining Sylvanas was a good thing? Remember what she's used them for.

The only thing they do have is a different look, but there's no appreciable difference between a san'layn and a blood dk blood elf in temperament or skillset. Them joining the Horde is no different than the forsaken joining the Horde,

Entirely false for reasons I already explained. The Forsaken also joined the Horde on the basis that they were *different* than the Scourge. This has since proven to be a lie also.

Let's be clear here. The San'layn joining is wrong. The Val'kyr joining was wrong, but at least confined to the Forsaken themselves and not subject to executive approval from the warchief and the entire Horde.. The Forsaken lying and becoming the very thing they claimed to hate is wrong.Death Knights going back on their word and joining Bolvar in rampaging against their own allies is also wrong. But Blizz has evidently decided they are free from consequences on that.

as the chat with Rokhan and Talanji makes clear and they don't have any special privileges.

They also don't have any limitations as per that same chat. As long as they "work with the Horde".

Kommentar von MPaBkaTa

on 2018-05-13T14:57:55-05:00

There's no inference that the San'layn are uniquely eager to inflict suffering, considering our one scene thus far is this guy killing an enemy combatant and enjoying it, something all races have done in quests. As for the DKs, both Alliance and Horde accept that they will kill enemy combatants for that purpose and they also openly raise the dead. The skillset and end result is the same, and the attitude is not conclusively different.\r\rAs for the Forsaken, they weren't morally upstanding even in Vanilla, given the plague experiments or possibly WC3 itself since they're already declaring they'll off whoever's not on their side. They are in the Horde for realpolitik reasons of accepting a people who would otherwise be wiped out and had already been rejected violently by the Alliance, and that's the same reasoning that brings in the DKs, Val'kyr and San'layn, both of which do basically the same things to different degrees.

Kommentar von Quadram

on 2018-05-13T14:59:04-05:00

Not even an hour in and some have already posted their views on the Horde on a thread about the Alliance war campaign...

Kommentar von krusher100

on 2018-05-13T15:04:25-05:00

Synea, I agree with you, the Horde are the bad guys and the Alliance are clearly not taking darker paths this expac like the Devs said. Oh well, that's the story they wrote and we'll have to accept it as cannon. I mean it is their world right? I guess if you don't like it you could just step away from it for a while, idk...I do enjoy you stirring up arguments and trouble in every new post though.

Kommentar von Mightylorddk

on 2018-05-13T15:10:58-05:00

The hypocrite is back with his biased comments. His long absence made me believe he got a well deserved ban

Kommentar von XanderFloyd

on 2018-05-13T15:15:44-05:00

Hmm... a Scourge species that just so happens to be "helping" the Horde, despite clearly not wanting to? He's under orders, alright, but I don't believe for a second that they're Sylvannas'... as least not directly. Sure, they might help her out here and there... but beings like that don't forget where their loyalties lie, especially when their new boss is partially responsible for their homelessness.

Kommentar von Camio3495

on 2018-05-13T15:16:46-05:00

False. They have to fight and kill to stay without pain. Anything counts. Scourge, demons, etc.\rThey do not specifically have to inflict suffering, and nothing says the San'layn have to inflict suffering. They just enjoy doing so, whereas a Death Knight must kill whether they like it or not.\r\rDeath knights do have to inflict suffering. Every sentient undead created by the Lich King is also given an addiction of sorts to make them easier to control. For death knights, it's the need to inflict pain. For ghouls and zombies, it's the hunger for flesh. And for the San'layn it's the thirst for fresh blood.\r\rSo yes, Dreven didn't have to explode Guzzy. He was probably just annoyed he had to do grunt work.\r\rP.S. In Icecrown Citadel there are groups of san'layn with a Darkfallen Advisor. Said lich has an ability called Lich Slap. Make of it what you want.

Kommentar von Rankkor

on 2018-05-13T15:24:47-05:00

Do I really have to do this on EVERY.SINGLE.THREAD?\r\rGuys, behave.\r\rNo jabs, no personal attacks, no hysteria, stay on topic, and don't bring discussions of other threads into this one.

Kommentar von Ghouls

on 2018-05-13T15:47:28-05:00

I wish someone could come explain to me what makes the San\u2019layn \u201cevil\u201d. Yeah the NPCs say so but they haven\u2019t shown the San\u2019layn doing anything bad since Wrath when they were under the Lich King\u2019s control.\r\rThe best I\u2019ve heard is \u201cThey drink blood\u201d which isn\u2019t a very good argument since literally every race in this game eats flesh. What\u2019s the ethical difference between eating flesh and drinking blood? They were going to kill their opponent either way because you know, WAR maybe?\r\rP.S. There needs to be a quest where we play as a San\u2019layn and just go around dunking Gnomes

Kommentar von Arraya

on 2018-05-13T15:52:39-05:00

Oh dear another Edge'dorei race, i think i'm bleeding now just by looking at it.

Kommentar von Synea

on 2018-05-13T15:59:56-05:00

There's no inference that the San'layn are uniquely eager to inflict suffering, considering our one scene thus far is this guy killing an enemy combatant and enjoying it, something all races have done in quests. As for the DKs, both Alliance and Horde accept that they will kill enemy combatants for that purpose and they also openly raise the dead. The skillset and end result is the same, and the attitude is not conclusively different.

Uh yes there is, it's been part of their backstory since they were first introduced."DKs raising the dead" isn't really an excuse for others doing it nor is that said to be generally accepted with the factions. In any case, the Ebon Blade self-justifies what they do for the greater good.Whether that's true or not is up for debate, but they are clearly not as selfish as the San'layn.

As for the Forsaken, they weren't morally upstanding even in Vanilla, given the plague experiments or possibly WC3 itself since they're already declaring they'll off whoever's not on their side. They are in the Horde for realpolitik reasons of accepting a people who would otherwise be wiped out and had already been rejected violently by the Alliance, and that's the same reasoning that brings in the DKs, Val'kyr and San'layn, both of which do basically the same things to different degrees.

The Forsaken always had dark elements but again always claimed to be different than the Scourge. They claimed to have free will and want free will for all undead. The Horde wasn't aware of their blight experiments, nor was it entirely clear that all Forsaken themselves were.They were in the Horde because they were another pariah race who needed a chance to prove they were more than what they looked like. They have entirely failed at this, and now openly recruit other unrepentant Scourge like them. That the Horde is allowing them to do this and Horde races are just fine with it is, again, bad writing.

Remember that the Death Knights were reviled and hated by both factions. It took a letter from Tirion and a proclamation from the king\/warchief to have them accepted and even then they were treated at arm's length. The Alliance in particular sending Death Knights off in the hopes they'd die on their mission.And yet the San'layn are just in the Horde, just like that. No question, no controversy. No objection from the Tauren for letting in more unrepentant undead (the Tauren advocated for the Forsaken coming in, in the hopes they could cure them), no objection from the Blood Elves for letting in undead who are essentially traitors who killed and fed on their own kind.

This is yet another example of waifu doing whatever she wants, however she wants and nobody has a problem with it. Talanji even bringing it up at all is immediately shut down with a nonsense justification from Rokhan that doesn't at all address the issue of what they are

I wish someone could come explain to me what makes the San\u2019layn \u201cevil\u201d. Yeah the NPCs say so but they haven\u2019t shown the San\u2019layn doing anything bad since Wrath when they were under the Lich King\u2019s control.

The best I\u2019ve heard is \u201cThey drink blood\u201d which isn\u2019t a very good argument since literally every race in this game eats flesh. What\u2019s the ethical difference between eating flesh and drinking blood? They were going to kill their opponent either way because you know, WAR maybe?

P.S. There needs to be a quest where we play as a San\u2019layn and just go around dunking Gnomes

It's got nothing to do with drinking blood as such. It's the fact that they continued to prey upon others and enjoy inflicting suffering after the Lich King died and they should be "free".This is demonstrated by the Blood Princess in the Violet Hold. Unlike free Death Knights who find ways to sate their need to kill without preying on the innocent, the San'layn don't give a crap and are completely indiscriminate.

Again I'm not saying that they couldn't do a repentant San'layn arc. My point is they're not doing that. They're putting in San'layn characters to prance around and act like supervillains mainly for the Alliance to resist, with no development on the Horde side other than "Sylvanas wants them here as long as they obey so shut up and stop questioning things." We even get a "Tsk tsk how the Horde have fallen" comment from Wyrmbane. The Horde has become a punchline thanks to events like this.

Kommentar von Rankkor

on 2018-05-13T16:16:32-05:00

Oh dear another Edge'dorei race, i think i'm bleeding now just by looking at it.\r\rI have to admit the number of elven variants is really getting out of hand. How many we have by now? 20? 30? Most fantasy settings go at most for 2 or 3 variants of elves. Typically Aristocratic and haughty High Elves, hippie tree-hugging Wood Elves, and sadistic emo BDSM Dark Elves.\r\rWarcraft went 50 steps beyond with the sheer amount of elven variants.\r\rHigh Elves, Blood Elves, Void Elves, Night Elves, Nightborne, Felblood Elves, Sha'layn Elves, Wretched Elves, Withered Elves, Nightfallen Elves, Spider-Elves, Naga, Satyr, and if you want to get technical about it, the Trolls and all their respective variants, also count as elves, since they're their predecessors.

Kommentar von MPaBkaTa

on 2018-05-13T16:31:12-05:00

Uh yes there is, it's been part of their backstory since they were first introduced.\r"DKs raising the dead" isn't really an excuse for others doing it nor is that said to be generally accepted with the factions. In any case, the Ebon Blade self-justifies what they do for the greater good.\rWhether that's true or not is up for debate, but they are clearly not as selfish as the San'layn.\r\rThis is completely moot. Whatever they claim, they both raise the dead and inflict suffering to the opposing faction and due to undeath have reduced empathy and emotion. \r\rThe Forsaken always had dark elements but again always claimed to be different than the Scourge. They claimed to have free will and want free will for all undead. The Horde wasn't aware of their blight experiments, nor was it entirely clear that all Forsaken themselves were.\rThey were in the Horde because they were another pariah race who needed a chance to prove they were more than what they looked like.\rThey have entirely failed at this, and now openly recruit other unrepentant Scourge like them. That the Horde is allowing them to do this and Horde races are just fine with it is, again, bad writing.\r\rYou're once again confusing claims with reality and allowing your salt at the new expansion obscure a very consistent characterization of both Sylvanas and the Forsaken. In Warcraft 3, they betray Garithos and Sylvanas states their mission statement as making a place for themselves in the world and slaughtering anyone who gets in their way. In Vanilla, they experiment on a tauren visitor, develop a new plague tested on dwarven captives, stitch together abominations and in Hillsbrad and Tirisfal you kill farmers and steal their land. The only difference between this and what they later do in Cataclysm is scale, had they the tools they had back then at that point they would have done so. \r\rThe other thing you ignore is the passage of time. The second reason the Forsaken were initially allowed by Thrall, which was to establish a foothold in the Eastern Kingdoms which they did and then succeeded at again when Garrosh commanded the same. That they're former Scourge becomes moot because they later defend the Ghostlands and help the blood elves take back their lands. Your argument about blood elves opposing the San'layn joining is especially stupid because the San'layn were Kael's expeditionary forces and their crimes against their own people A) Never take place on-screen B) Are not of their own free will. Returning to serving Quel'thalas even in death is likely to be seen positively, not negatively, in the same way as the DKs who are also gleeful at slaughter.\r\rAs for the attitude towards them, Talanji is mistrustful, and it's been years since the DKs were in, and the Forsaken have been the most powerful part of the Horde since late Mists. They no longer follow the rules, they make them, yet the San'layn are still not given special treatment but integrated into the regular chain of command and made subordinate to one of the 'classic' races. The thing about the Horde being a betrayal is only if you still think the Horde is what it was very briefly in WC3 before Thrall let the forsaken and original blood elves, both morally questionable factions joined, and not the more militant group it has been since at latest Wrath and at earliest Vanilla.

Kommentar von Synea

on 2018-05-13T16:36:02-05:00

Elder Scrolls has 4 elf variant races who are playable and about 10 more overall in lore. There are dark elves, wood elves, high elves, sea elves, ancient elves, ice elves, not quite high elves, half dark half light elves, orcs are elves, dwarves are elves, some sub-races of Khajiit are elves.

D&D tends to have elf variants for literally every shade under the sun. As does Pathfinder.

Never heard anyone ever complain about that. This incessant irritation over elves daring to exist is something unique to WoW players.

This is completely moot. Whatever they claim, they both raise the dead and inflict suffering to the opposing faction and due to undeath have reduced empathy and emotion.

You mean the Unholy DK companions? Or is this about Army of the Dead?Because if you're using gameplay as lore then you're also saying Void Elf Holy Priests are canon.

You're once again confusing claims with reality and allowing your salt at the new expansion obscure a very consistent characterization of both Sylvanas and the Forsaken. In Warcraft 3, they betray Garithos and Sylvanas states their mission statement as making a place for themselves in the world and slaughtering anyone who gets in their way. In Vanilla, they experiment on a tauren visitor, develop a new plague tested on dwarven captives, stitch together abominations and in Hillsbrad and Tirisfal you kill farmers and steal their land. The only difference between this and what they later do in Cataclysm is scale, had they the tools they had back then at that point they would have done so.

No, you are confusing the Horde with an omniscient narrator. I am well aware of what they did and their dark nature.It is not at all clear the Horde at large was aware. Given their utter shock at Putress' usage of blight they clearly were not.

After Cataclysm, Sylvanas became the token evil teammate. Nobody approved of her actions, but it was more useful at that point to keep her around than not, and it's possibly for the individual races to justify ignoring her actions. There is no justification now. They're all following in lockstep as she commits atrocity after atrocity and invites yet more Scourge to follow suit.

The other thing you ignore is the passage of time. The second reason the Forsaken were initially allowed by Thrall, which was to establish a foothold in the Eastern Kingdoms which they did and then succeeded at again when Garrosh commanded the same. That they're former Scourge becomes moot because they later defend the Ghostlands and help the blood elves take back their lands.

With the promise that they were not like the Scourge.Subsequent events have proven that they are exactly like the Scourge and thus should be pariahs to the Blood Elves.

Your argument about blood elves opposing the San'layn joining is especially stupid because the San'layn were Kael's expeditionary forces and their crimes against their own people A) Never take place on-screen B) Are not of their own free will. Returning to serving Quel'thalas even in death is likely to be seen positively, not negatively, in the same way as the DKs who are also gleeful at slaughter.

You do realise that the Death Knights did what they did without free will, yes? Yet when they arrive at Stormwind\/Orgrimmar they are reviled, hated and have rotten fruit thrown at them.They're only allowed in because of said letter from Tirion. What basis do the San'layn have? They didn't even try to contact their homeland and ask for forgiveness after Arthas died did they? Why would the Blood Elves ever accept them after what they've done?

As for the attitude towards them, Talanji is mistrustful,

Yes it's great that Talanji, a Zandalar princess who's probably never encountered one before is mistrustful and literally no one else. Yay.

and it's been years since the DKs were in, and the Forsaken have been the most powerful part of the Horde since late Mists. They no longer follow the rules, they make them, yet the San'layn are still not given special treatment but integrated into the regular chain of command and made subordinate to one of the 'classic' races. The thing about the Horde being a betrayal is only if you still think the Horde is what it was very briefly in WC3 before Thrall let the forsaken and original blood elves, both morally questionable factions joined, and not the more militant group it has been since at latest Wrath and at earliest Vanilla.

The Forsaken "making the rules" is part of the problem, especially given their Scourge-like behaviour. They should have never been put in charge and there's not a single race in the Horde aside from the Goblins who wouldn't care as long as they're paid** who would logically allow them that much power and latitude. Period.

As an aside it's quite ironic given the complaints about the Alliance being human centric. Now the Horde is forced to be Forsaken-centric.The game has now become humans vs. evil humans. There's some high fantasy for ya.

**Actually it's illogical that even the Goblins would. What profit is there in following people who want to destroy life on a continental scale and raise more undead?I guess Gallywix has heavy investments in formaldahyde.