For a team clearly undertaking a rebuild, I don't think it makes sense for the Kings to give up #10 for JC (how does he fit their timeline?) and the #28. I think it makes more sense to try to get Detroit's #12 pick, since it's been reported that Van Gundy wants a veteran player that can help them win now. And while JC isn't an All-Star, getting him AND the #28 pick might compel them to part with #12, who knows._________________My body is ready: we're signing LeBron and PG, re-signing Randle, getting Lopez to take the room exception, and trading Deng with two 1st's.

Interesting: Mike & Mike are on right now, and they are saying that Ainge thought Fultz was in the same skill group as 4-5 other draftees. And, Ainge didn't think there was a surefire star in the draft.

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Interesting: Mike & Mike are on right now, and they are saying that Ainge thought Fultz was in the same skill group as 4-5 other draftees. And, Ainge didn't think there was a surefire star in the draft.

Ainge was okay with trading Fultz because he thought he could get JJ/Tatum/Fox and they were just as good as Fultz or Ball.

Fultz didn't have a good workout for Boston, reportedly didn't shoot well. Also didn't shoot well at the Philly workout

For a team clearly undertaking a rebuild, I don't think it makes sense for the Kings to give up #10 for JC (how does he fit their timeline?) and the #28. I think it makes more sense to try to get Detroit's #12 pick, since it's been reported that Van Gundy wants a veteran player that can help them win now. And while JC isn't an All-Star, getting him AND the #28 pick might compel them to part with #12, who knows.

Ok. So how about this?

LAL in: #10, Afflalo
LAL out: Clarkson, #28, future 2nd

= LAL gets an expiring K in Afflalo and is in position to draft the best shooter in the draft (Kennard) while preserving cap space to have a better shot at re-signing Julius AND signing PG outright after next season.

SAC in: #12, Ish Smith, Stanley Johnson
SAC out: #10, Afflalo

= SAC only drops two spots and acquires two young, potential starters (or at the very least, solid backups) in the backcourt alongside Hield.

For a team clearly undertaking a rebuild, I don't think it makes sense for the Kings to give up #10 for JC (how does he fit their timeline?) and the #28. I think it makes more sense to try to get Detroit's #12 pick, since it's been reported that Van Gundy wants a veteran player that can help them win now. And while JC isn't an All-Star, getting him AND the #28 pick might compel them to part with #12, who knows.

Ok. So how about this?

LAL in: #10, Afflalo
LAL out: Clarkson, #28, future 2nd

= LAL gets an expiring K in Afflalo and is in position to draft the best shooter in the draft (Kennard) while preserving cap space to have a better shot at re-signing Julius AND signing PG outright after next season.

SAC in: #12, Ish Smith, Stanley Johnson
SAC out: #10, Afflalo

= SAC only drops two spots and acquires two young, potential starters (or at the very least, solid backups) in the backcourt alongside Hield.

= DET finds a KCP replacement and high-energy combo guard while still keeping a 1st rounder (and future 2nd) to potentially deal for another veteran piece.

I think it's a bit unfair for DET and really good for SAC. I think that JC/28/future 2nd from the Lakers feels fair for #12, but DET isn't getting anything else, and they are also giving up Stanley Johnson. And SAC is only moving down 2 spots and getting another prospect that still has a chance and was a recent lottery pick in Johnson. I certainly think it's reasonable for the Lakers, as we pick up #10 and Afflalo is actually only guaranteed for $1.5MM (of his $12.5MM salary) if he's waived before June 23rd, and that's no coincidence that the date is 6/23 when the draft is the day before._________________My body is ready: we're signing LeBron and PG, re-signing Randle, getting Lopez to take the room exception, and trading Deng with two 1st's.

Interesting: Mike & Mike are on right now, and they are saying that Ainge thought Fultz was in the same skill group as 4-5 other draftees. And, Ainge didn't think there was a surefire star in the draft.

Ainge was okay with trading Fultz because he thought he could get JJ/Tatum/Fox and they were just as good as Fultz or Ball.

As much as I hate Ainge, I think he has the right idea of being "happy" with the 3rd pick AND1.

If his calculations are correct, he could still pick the player I knew he wanted in the first place - Josh Jackson.

For a team clearly undertaking a rebuild, I don't think it makes sense for the Kings to give up #10 for JC (how does he fit their timeline?) and the #28. I think it makes more sense to try to get Detroit's #12 pick, since it's been reported that Van Gundy wants a veteran player that can help them win now. And while JC isn't an All-Star, getting him AND the #28 pick might compel them to part with #12, who knows.

Ok. So how about this?

LAL in: #10, Afflalo
LAL out: Clarkson, #28, future 2nd

= LAL gets an expiring K in Afflalo and is in position to draft the best shooter in the draft (Kennard) while preserving cap space to have a better shot at re-signing Julius AND signing PG outright after next season.

SAC in: #12, Ish Smith, Stanley Johnson
SAC out: #10, #34, Afflalo

= SAC only drops two spots and acquires two young, potential starters (or at the very least, solid backups) in the backcourt alongside Hield.

= DET finds a KCP replacement and high-energy combo guard while still keeping a 1st rounder (and future 2nd) to potentially deal for another veteran piece.

SA in: Baynes, #28
SA out: Green

I think it's a bit unfair for DET and really good for SAC. I think that JC/28/future 2nd from the Lakers feels fair for #12, but DET isn't getting anything else, and they are also giving up Stanley Johnson. And SAC is only moving down 2 spots and getting another prospect that still has a chance and was a recent lottery pick in Johnson. I certainly think it's reasonable for the Lakers, as we pick up #10 and Afflalo is actually only guaranteed for $1.5MM (of his $12.5MM salary) if he's waived before June 23rd, and that's no coincidence that the date is 6/23 when the draft is the day before.

I'm not sure DET is at all sold on Johnson. SVG needs shooters and Stanley just doesn't have the range. In his two years, he's started a total of 7 games and has pretty poor averages of 6.2ppg, 3.3rpg, 1.5apg, .367fg%, .301 3fg% in 20.4mpg. Not very impressive at all so a change of scenery would probably be beneficial for both parties. I guess SAC could include the #34 to DET as a sweetener if necessary. It then wouldn't be a bad idea for them to flip the #28 + filler (Baynes?) for a guy like Danny Green, turning the deal into #12, Smith, Johnson, Baynes for Clarkson, Green, #34 and a future 2nd. [I edited the deal above to reflect these changes.]

For a team clearly undertaking a rebuild, I don't think it makes sense for the Kings to give up #10 for JC (how does he fit their timeline?) and the #28. I think it makes more sense to try to get Detroit's #12 pick, since it's been reported that Van Gundy wants a veteran player that can help them win now. And while JC isn't an All-Star, getting him AND the #28 pick might compel them to part with #12, who knows.

Ok. So how about this?

LAL in: #10, Afflalo
LAL out: Clarkson, #28, future 2nd

= LAL gets an expiring K in Afflalo and is in position to draft the best shooter in the draft (Kennard) while preserving cap space to have a better shot at re-signing Julius AND signing PG outright after next season.

SAC in: #12, Ish Smith, Stanley Johnson
SAC out: #10, #34, Afflalo

= SAC only drops two spots and acquires two young, potential starters (or at the very least, solid backups) in the backcourt alongside Hield.

= DET finds a KCP replacement and high-energy combo guard while still keeping a 1st rounder (and future 2nd) to potentially deal for another veteran piece.

SA in: Baynes, #28
SA out: Green

I think it's a bit unfair for DET and really good for SAC. I think that JC/28/future 2nd from the Lakers feels fair for #12, but DET isn't getting anything else, and they are also giving up Stanley Johnson. And SAC is only moving down 2 spots and getting another prospect that still has a chance and was a recent lottery pick in Johnson. I certainly think it's reasonable for the Lakers, as we pick up #10 and Afflalo is actually only guaranteed for $1.5MM (of his $12.5MM salary) if he's waived before June 23rd, and that's no coincidence that the date is 6/23 when the draft is the day before.

I'm not sure DET is at all sold on Johnson. SVG needs shooters and Stanley just doesn't have the range. In his two years, he's started a total of 7 games and has pretty poor averages of 6.2ppg, 3.3rpg, 1.5apg, .367fg%, .301 3fg% in 20.4mpg. Not very impressive at all so a change of scenery would probably be beneficial for both parties. I guess SAC could include the #34 to DET as a sweetener if necessary. It then wouldn't be a bad idea for them to flip the #28 + filler (Baynes?) for a guy like Danny Green, turning the deal into #12, Smith, Johnson, Baynes for Clarkson, Green, #34 and a future 2nd. [I edited the deal above to reflect these changes.]

If the Spurs would actually do that (Green for #28), I don't think this is unfair. I think the #34 helps Detroit a bit, and this would give SVG two veteran players to help them win now, particularly Green as a veteran. So I guess the Spurs do this just for the cap space? I know they get back a decent pick, but I don't think they would do this unless they were clearing space for a run at a free agent._________________My body is ready: we're signing LeBron and PG, re-signing Randle, getting Lopez to take the room exception, and trading Deng with two 1st's.

The Los Angeles Lakers are trying to acquire another first round pick in this Thursday's NBA draft, league sources told ESPN.

The Lakers have engaged at least two other teams in the lottery, sources said, as they search for players to improve their outside shooting and perimeter defense.

Los Angeles holds both the second and 28th picks in this year's draft. While their have been inquires on the No. 2 pick, sources said it remains unlikely the Lakers would trade out of that position.

Los Angeles is giving strong consideration to UCLA's Lonzo Ball, Kansas' Josh Jackson and Kentucky's De'Aaron Fox with the No. 2 pick. Ball hosted a second workout for the Lakers on Friday -- the only team he has worked out for or interviewed with. Last week Ball was considering talking to teams below the Lakers in the lottery, but sources said he still has yet to schedule any additional meetings.

Another best writer confirms lakers aren't trading #2.. would love to trade back in and snatch Collins . Hear they like Kennard tho

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Our guards will have some offensive punch but no matter who we draft, IMO, our guards will struggle defensively again this season.

Clarkson is our quickest guard and his defense is abysmal.
D-Lo has defensive potential and length but lacks elite speed.
Ball is faster but is not much better defensively than either of those guys.
Nwaba is our only defensive-minded guard and the jury is still out on him.
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The Los Angeles Lakers are trying to acquire another first round pick in this Thursday's NBA draft, league sources told ESPN.

The Lakers have engaged at least two other teams in the lottery, sources said, as they search for players to improve their outside shooting and perimeter defense.

Los Angeles holds both the second and 28th picks in this year's draft. While their have been inquires on the No. 2 pick, sources said it remains unlikely the Lakers would trade out of that position.

Los Angeles is giving strong consideration to UCLA's Lonzo Ball, Kansas' Josh Jackson and Kentucky's De'Aaron Fox with the No. 2 pick. Ball hosted a second workout for the Lakers on Friday -- the only team he has worked out for or interviewed with. Last week Ball was considering talking to teams below the Lakers in the lottery, but sources said he still has yet to schedule any additional meetings.

Another best writer confirms lakers aren't trading #2..

Ball still hasn't scheduled anything else with other teams, which to me is a pretty strong indication that he will be the pick at 2. But I think it's smart for us to float out there that we still like Fox and are considering him, just to keep the possibility open that Sacramento gets desperate and offers us something that we can't say no to.

I see Detroit as the most likely trade partner of any team in the lottery (something like JC and 28 for 12).

Another possibility could be Charlotte at #11. They have let it be known that they are in search of a competent backup PG, as Ramon Sessions was pretty bad last season and Kemba Walker has to carry a lot of the load. Clarkson could actually help them quite a bit. Maybe we could give them JC and the #28, and they give us the #11, Sessions (has a team option for about $6.3MM, so they could exercise that and move him, similar to how we could exercise Black's option and trade him), and the cheap contracts of Treveon Graham and Johnny O'Bryant. (This would work within the rules, as JC's incoming salary can be 150% of the outgoing salary as long as the outgoing salary is less than $9.8MM, which it would be.)_________________My body is ready: we're signing LeBron and PG, re-signing Randle, getting Lopez to take the room exception, and trading Deng with two 1st's.

^That very much depends on who you pick at 11 I guess, but is that player really better than Clarkson? I doubt it, and we'd be giving up the 28 too

It feels too much like a salary dump and in my opinion we should definitely not treat clarkson like a salary dump. He is a competent player who was actually in the running for 6MOY last year for the first 20 games.

The deng and mozgov contracts are really messing with everyone's perception of how much our players should be paid. Yes those are bad contracts, but clarkson's is not_________________also sprach magic johnson

^That very much depends on who you pick at 11 I guess, but is that player really better than Clarkson? I doubt it, and we'd be giving up the 28 too

It feels too much like a salary dump and in my opinion we should definitely not treat clarkson like a salary dump. He is a competent player who was actually in the running for 6MOY last year for the first 20 games.

The deng and mozgov contracts are really messing with everyone's perception of how much our players should be paid. Yes those are bad contracts, but clarkson's is not

A lottery pick could be used to get PG. Also, I'd much rather have Zach Collins or Luke Kennard or Donovan Mitchell than JC. It's just a better value, particularly when you consider that they will be on rookie contracts. JC wasn't on a rookie deal for too long, is now on a $12.5MM per year deal, and he's simply not worth nearly as much value at that salary. A salary which is fair, just not a great value._________________My body is ready: we're signing LeBron and PG, re-signing Randle, getting Lopez to take the room exception, and trading Deng with two 1st's.

Obviously, Fultz is off the table. Assuming Magic is indifferent to the other 3, we should trade Deng and our pick to the Suns for the #4. We are guaranteed to get one of the 3 (I think we still end up with Ball). This should be the play all day long.

We off Deng, and then we can focus on offing Moz to the Nets for Lopez. We would have to throw in our other 1st (and maybe Clarkson).

Obviously, Fultz is off the table. Assuming Magic is indifferent to the other 3, we should trade Deng and our pick to the Suns for the #4. We are guaranteed to get one of the 3 (I think we still end up with Ball). This should be the play all day long.

We off Deng, and then we can focus on offing Moz to the Nets for Lopez. We would have to throw in our other 1st (and maybe Clarkson).

I think the Suns would take Ball, with the idea that he and Booker would be their backcourt and that Ball's passing would make Booker (and other guys) better. I suppose it's possible that they could pass on him if they don't want to take a guy that they didn't work out, but I think they would take him. If we KNEW that they would take JJ though, and we like Ball the most, then, yes, this is a deal I would make if I could dump Deng. Because I think Boston would take Tatum at 3. But if we truly love Ball and think that he would be a culture changer for us, then I'm not sure we can risk it. It will be interesting to know what Magic and Rob and company's evaluation will be._________________My body is ready: we're signing LeBron and PG, re-signing Randle, getting Lopez to take the room exception, and trading Deng with two 1st's.

Take the D'Lo to Miami Trade rumor (with Justise Winslow tweeting something about D'Lo) and then mix that up with Magic and Riley being friends and talking with each other in person within the last 2 weeks (see the videos of them two together doing a talk), and then you just fill in the blanks:

D'Lo and Deng to Miami Heat

14 pick and Chris Bosh to Los Angeles Lakers

and then fill in whatever's left to make the trade even.

So, the reasoning behind D'Lo going to Miami is... truthfully there is no reason on my part, it's just that that's part of that rumor but if I had to guess, I would guess because they would want a promising young player back if they're going to trade pick number 14. Deng being included is obvious, Miami needs someone to replace Bosh, and Deng was there not 2 years ago and they know him and trust him and know that he can play the 4 as needed. The reason it's Deng and not Mozgov is because they have Whiteside, a young center, who will take most of the playing time at 5.

If I'm not mistaken (anyone chime in if I'm wrong of course), The reasoning for the Lakers would be, they would get Cap space by getting rid of Deng's contract and waiving Bosh's contract. Miami recently got permission to waive Bosh's contract because he's not medically cleared to play and people were wondering why they haven't done it yet. Well, this is why! So they can Trade it to a team that wants Cap Relief!

The medical ruling grants Miami crucial cap relief as it look to build on a 30-11 record over the latter half of this past season. Once the Heat place the 33-year-old Bosh on waivers, they’ll be roughly $37 million under the cap by the time free agency begins on July 1. If Bosh’s contract had remained on the books, it likely would have prevented the Heat from making significant additions to their roster. Now they have the opportunity to pursue some of this summer’s highest-profile free agents.

But of course it looks like they would have to do this trade before July 1st so that the Lakers can acquire Bosh's contract and then waive him before July 1st.

We get compensation for D'Lo with the number 14 pick also which can be anyone from Zach Collins, Frank Ntilikina, Luke Kennard or even Harry Giles (whoever ends up falling to 14). And if it's a center or forward that we pick at 14, it opens up more playing time for Lonzo or Fultz (whoever drops to us at 2) and the plethora of guards that we already have on our roster (Clarkson, Nwaba and Ennis) by moving D'Lo out of L.A.

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Obviously, Fultz is off the table. Assuming Magic is indifferent to the other 3, we should trade Deng and our pick to the Suns for the #4. We are guaranteed to get one of the 3 (I think we still end up with Ball). This should be the play all day long.

We off Deng, and then we can focus on offing Moz to the Nets for Lopez. We would have to throw in our other 1st (and maybe Clarkson).

suns only does this trade if they want Ball. Why else would they want to move to #2. As for dumping Moz and Deng....why who is signing here now? we can wait another year to dump them and the price will be smaller.