chances are if you get a bad class in a bad school then you're gonna be dealing with a lot of stress because the group mentality of a bunch of kids (who on their own might not be very bad) is to mess around and make trouble or do stupid stuff to impress friends.

In my experience, even teachers with a nightmare class can still be effective if a minority are actually paying attention. In my sophomore (10th year) biology class about 80% of the class was constantly talking during lectures or being sent out of class for disruption. Because I actually worked hard, and payed attention to her, my teacher gave me a lot of slack if forgot my homework, or left a book in my locker, not to mention being trusted to actually come back to class after going to the bathroom.

Teaching IS stressful as hell. You're paid next to nothing to spend the entire day dealing with teenagers. I can't really think of a more stressful job that's still considered 'civilian'.
Maybe Britian's teachers get paid signiifcantly more than America's, idunno. Never talked to a british teacher.[QUOTE=FFStudios;35901758]He's pretty much right, though; Teachers work for 9 months out of the year, they get vacations whenever the kids do, they've got it pretty good.[/QUOTE]
And yet they have to put up with the most stress inducing demographic on this planet for 9 or 10 hours at a time. You couldn't pay me enough to be a teacher because of that alone.
[QUOTE=Woovie;35901876]It's simple, send them to ISS, fail them for not doing their work, etc. They don't want to learn, it's their choice.[/QUOTE]
Doesn't work, and these things just make them resent you and make your time even worse. Teenagers are pricks and will make your life hell if you try to get them to do something they don't want to do.[QUOTE=Gareth;35901938] along with planning the homework [/QUOTE]
If I were somehow convinced to be a teacher I wouldn't assign homework at all. Kids don't want to do it and aren't going to learn shit from it anyway, why waste their time and mine with it?
[QUOTE=Marbalo;35902237]The only reason teachers are 'stressesed' is because somewhere along the way they get tired of teaching and treat their students like shit.
Students - even first or second graders - know when a person just doesn't care anymore and simply goes to teach everyday for her monthly paycheck. A lot of teachers tend to have conservative teaching methods which do not work and are counter-productive. They still assume that 'memorizing test assignments' will teach you things. It doesn't and never has.
It's far better to teach in unorthodox methods which stimulates a students mind. Takes them out of the mundane everyday life of school. If teachers treat their students with real respect and not just empty-headed cattle to stick information in then the students will treat them with the same amount of respect. Some will even look forward to the class and some might even start enjoying school altogether.
Teaching is only as stressful as you make it to be. Teachers arent the only ones at fault here however, because the entire educational system is outdated, ineffective, useless and is dictated by old fucks who are out-of-touch with the current generation - worldwide.[/QUOTE]
You're forgetting to factor in how fucking dickish kids tend to be. They don't want to be there so they're not going to want to cooperate, and every class gets at least one asshat in it.

[QUOTE=Marbalo;35902297]Then you have to adapt. You have to understand the way those 'ungrateful pricks' see the world around them and then use that to keep them under control and peak their attention so some level of mutual respect is formed. Once said mutual respect is established they'll be willing to learn whatever it is you are teaching.
Unless you're talking about Detroit-level of schools in which case I wouldnt really consider that a school in the first place. More like a place that kids go to hang out and chill.[/QUOTE]
And this constant adaptation and thinking is stressful because otherwise the students won't care.

[QUOTE=TestECull;35902613]
You're forgetting to factor in how fucking dickish kids tend to be. They don't want to be there so they're not going to want to cooperate, and every class gets at least one asshat in it.[/QUOTE]
You're forgetting [I]why[/I] they dont want to be there in the first place.

[url=http://teachingbattleground.wordpress.com/]amusing considering ofsted is the problem[/url]

Ofstead can fuck off, they have taken so long to haul their asses round to my school that it has delayed our study leave.

[quote]"Stress is, I'm sure, what many of the million-and-a-half unemployed young people today feel - unable to get a job because they've had a poor experience of school and lack the necessary skills and qualifications to find employment.[/quote]
Too true.
This kinda changed my views on teaching. I think most people thought the complaints were legit without doubting it.
To be a teacher you certainly need to like your job. It's one of those jobs you need to like in order to perform it properly. I am sure many complaints are legit though. I've witnessed them first hand seeing teachers struggle to implement the new teaching standard forced upon school by law all while being short on hands [b]and[/b] motivation.

opinions on teaching by people who have never taught in their lives
reminds me of politics

[QUOTE=Bobie;35903246]opinions on teaching by people who have never taught in their lives
reminds me of politics[/QUOTE]
I've seen over the course of our lives, that everyone, has atleast tried teaching at one point.
Whether its the rules of a game or the rules of mathematics.
By dismissing these very good points, we will not get better.

[QUOTE=VengfulSoldier;35903265]I've seen over the course of our lives, that everyone, has atleast tried teaching at one point.
Whether its the rules of a game or the rules of mathematics.
By dismissing these very good points, we will not get better.[/QUOTE]
what points? all i saw in that article was a bunch of pointless rhetoric and outdated anecdotes from 60 years ago. if teachers have a problem with the education system, do you think that it could be... oh i don't know; to do with how the current educational system is flawed?
teaching someone how to play monopoly doesnt equate to having to work a 9 to 5 and teaching kids that are unwilling to learn, in a poorly regulated environment coupled with a government that consistently puts pressure on the amount of financing schools in poorer areas get. ive seen that shit, it can be [I]extremely[/I] stressfull and saying that it isn't is fucking retarded. all i can see is the requirement for a reform in the way kids are taught, and a total rebalance in the places government put their resources.
and on the point of ofsted complaining about jobs etc (a very cliche statement today, unemployment seems to consistently be an excuse for everyone fucking eachother over now) if you want to get rid of employment, teaching kids better wont change anything; its not as if the jobs are there, its redistributing the wealth into positions where billionaire CEOs don't steal from third world countries and instead push for a system where everyone has the ability to innovate and live free.
and if you SERIOUSLY think 'teaching the rules of a game' comes anywhere CLOSE to being a full time employed teacher, then may god forgive your incredible naivety

[QUOTE=Cone;35902244]plus even if you do try and work really hard people might single you out for it, as retarded as that sounds, and that can make a potentially successful student get terrible marks because they're afraid of what their brick-headed friends will think[/QUOTE]
This isn't a cartoon. That never happens.

[QUOTE=Bobie;35903333]what points? all i saw in that article was a bunch of pointless rhetoric and outdated anecdotes from 60 years ago. if teachers have a problem with the education system, do you think that it could be... oh i don't know; to do with how the current educational system is flawed?
teaching someone how to play monopoly doesnt equate to having to work a 9 to 5 and teaching kids that are unwilling to learn, in a poorly regulated environment coupled with a government that consistently puts pressure on the amount of financing schools in poorer areas get. ive seen that shit, it can be [I]extremely[/I] stressfull and saying that it isn't is fucking retarded. all i can see is the requirement for a reform in the way kids are taught, and a total rebalance in the places government put their resources.
and on the point of ofsted complaining about jobs etc (a very cliche statement today, unemployment seems to consistently be an excuse for everyone fucking eachother over now) if you want to get rid of employment, teaching kids better wont change anything; its not as if the jobs are there, its redistributing the wealth into positions where billionaire CEOs don't steal from third world countries and instead push for a system where everyone has the ability to innovate and live free.
and if you SERIOUSLY think 'teaching the rules of a game' comes anywhere CLOSE to being a full time employed teacher, then may god forgive your incredible naivety[/QUOTE]
Tell that to every teenager who was never properly engaged in the classroom. Tell that to every adult who doesn't care to continue learning because all they had were bad experiences. You're sitting her basically blaming the pupil for mistakes of the teacher. Which is infact, what Ofsted is arguing against.
You've walked right into his argument and validated it.

[QUOTE=VengfulSoldier;35903524]Tell that to every teenager who was never properly engaged in the classroom. Tell that to every adult who doesn't care to continue learning because all they had were bad experiences. You're sitting her basically blaming the pupil for mistakes of the teacher. Which is infact, what Ofsted is arguing against.
You've walked right into his argument and validated it.[/QUOTE]
no you idiot im blaming the ENVIRONMENT and EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM for the mistakes, did you even fucking read what i wrote?!

This is fucking ridiculous teachers teach KIDS, some of the teachers are destroyed by the end of the day and shitty pay and they are expected to teach the future?
bull

We had this epic history teacher last year, he was some 70-80 years old.
He'd never give us homework, we'd only listen to him talk about interesting stuff.
Everyone was silent, everyone listened to him.
Best teacher ever, but he was retired last december. :smith:

As someone who is currently working as an assistant to a grade 1 teacher, it can be [I]very[/I] stressful. You never know exactly what you can expect from day to day. One day the class can be fairly under control, the other they're completely off the handle.

"TEACHING IS NOT STRESSFUL"
-Man who has not taught a room full of 6 year olds on a daily basis.
When you got to deal with 30-150+ kids a day who could most likely not give a fuck about being there is stressful especially when you are trying to teach them a test that will come in 2 months time that will tell how much of a failure you are when in fact that isnt how it is supposed to work.

[QUOTE=Bobie;35903246]opinions on teaching by people who have never taught in their lives
reminds me of politics[/QUOTE]
You don't need to be an architect to know that a building is falling down.

teaching a class half full of wannabe gangsters and morons, and another half of people who just don't care isn't stressful at all!

[QUOTE=Stockers678;35905260]You don't need to be an architect to know that a building is falling down.[/QUOTE]
you need to be an architect to know [I]why[/I] it fell down though

[QUOTE=Stockers678;35905260]You don't need to be an architect to know that a building is falling down.[/QUOTE]
but to follow your analogy, you probably do need to be an architect to know why the building fell down.

Um how about these teachers can stop complaining about their pay until their job performance improves. You signed onto this job because it was stressful, you shouldn't get more money if your performance doesn't reflect the salary increase.

[QUOTE=King Tiger;35903452]This isn't a cartoon. That never happens.[/QUOTE]
Yes it does.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;35906148]Yes it does.[/QUOTE]
Then you must go to school with a bunch of assholes.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;35906132]Um how about these teachers can stop complaining about their pay until their job performance improves. You signed onto this job because it was stressful, you shouldn't get more money if your performance doesn't reflect the salary increase.[/QUOTE]
im p sure teachers sign into the job to live their dream of teaching, if they raised the salary, more capable teachers would actually want to teach because it could more comfortably support their lives

[QUOTE=yawmwen;35906132]Um how about these teachers can stop complaining about their pay until their job performance improves. You signed onto this job because it was stressful, you shouldn't get more money if your performance doesn't reflect the salary increase.[/QUOTE]
during school i had a kickass modern history teacher who actually cared and tried her hardest for us to actually pass
she told us that with the amount of work she does in and outside of school, she earns around $5 an hour
that doesn't sound fair to me

[QUOTE=yawmwen;35906132]Um how about these teachers can stop complaining about their pay until their job performance improves. You signed onto this job because it was stressful, you shouldn't get more money if your performance doesn't reflect the salary increase.[/QUOTE]
So you are assuming their current pay reflects their current level of 'performance'?
Because I can assure you that relative to stress and workload they get paid shit all
[editline]11th May 2012[/editline]
And Sir Michael Wilshaw can babble on all he wants about teaching in the 50s and 60s. Back then they didn't have all the bullshit paperwork, harsh targets and general intense level of scrutiny that ofsted itself is responsible for nowadays

[QUOTE=Stockers678;35905260]You don't need to be an architect to know that a building is falling down.[/QUOTE]
Playing with Lego doesn't make you qualified to talk about how easy building skyscrapers are.