That's not really a bad idea....if those "caregivers" you speak of are family.It would be good to mend the rift between the family. Before that episode was she okay living where she was? Don't "dump" her back on their doorstep, but, see if you can't get them talking.

Remember, it is our duty to care for our neighbors, however, that doesn't mean she has to stay with you, if the relationship is over. Help her get on her feet as much as you can and let her go.

Perhaps you could assist her in finding full time employment?

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(Even us "normal" girls can appreciate a knight in shining armor. Although of course, it can be can debated whether or not I'm normal, I told my husband recently that I was certain that he was capable of and would take care of me/protect me if necessary. Though I'm pretty self-reliant/independant and didn't think I would ever need it!A week later I fell and broke my right arm and it's now immobilized in a splint. (Yes, I'm typing one-handed!)And he has taken good care of me. )

On the practical side, there is a lot of help for people in a situation like your ex-gf, at least where I live. Do you know what programs are available or organizations there are in your area?

No idea on the programs or organizations, I wouldn't know where to begin. I'm sure the typical application for foodstamps, money asstiance, etc.

My advice is for you to take your butt over to the caregivers parents whatever and play the ref and take her stuff back there tell them your not getting into this anymore your done with the games hers and there's and drop her right there at home and walk away.

Her former caregivers are not her parents. And we both agreed that we will not be engaging in any sort of future contact with them over what has happened.

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“There is your brother, naked, crying, and you stand there confused over the choice of an attractive floor covering.”

In our area, United Way has a "help-line" - 211, which directs people to various agencies and organizations that can assist them. Perhaps there's something similar in your area? In any case, United Way might be a good place to start.

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Just a headsup, I will not be contributing to this thread anymore because someone had the audacity to use this thread as ammunition to insult me instead of actually posting here to wish that both of us do better. But I guess that's just Christian charity.

Thank you all again for the thoughtful replies, they have all been taken to heart.

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“There is your brother, naked, crying, and you stand there confused over the choice of an attractive floor covering.”

Just a headsup, I will not be contributing to this thread anymore because someone had the audacity to use this thread as ammunition to insult me instead of actually posting here to wish that both of us do better. But I guess that's just Christian charity.

Thank you all again for the thoughtful replies, they have all been taken to heart.

Just a headsup, I will not be contributing to this thread anymore because someone had the audacity to use this thread as ammunition to insult me instead of actually posting here to wish that both of us do better. But I guess that's just Christian charity.

Thank you all again for the thoughtful replies, they have all been taken to heart.

And I had no problem with people ripping me a new one, like biro did earlier in the thread (hilariously too might I add). However someone used this thread in a bickering fest to cut me down, and for that I won't tolerate it.

After that incident last night, I'm going to keep my personal life private as I should have done from the get go. It's clear people have worse intentions against me.

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“There is your brother, naked, crying, and you stand there confused over the choice of an attractive floor covering.”

After that incident last night, I'm going to keep my personal life private as I should have done from the get go. It's clear people have worse intentions against me.

That my brother, is the wisest decision. We should treat this forum like our parishes, and if we wouldn't feel comfortable discussing matters with random strangers at church over coffee, perhaps this forum is equally not the best place for the gritty details. A simple request for prayer might have gone a lot further, but I can understand, women make us have to vent sometimes. Then again, that is what priests and complaining to other women (like your sister/momma/platonic homegirl) is for

At the least, I am prayin for ya!

stay blessed,habte selassie

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The breath of Thine Holy Spirit inspires artists, poets and scientists. The power of Thy supreme knowledge makes them prophets and interpreters of Thy laws, who reveal the depths of Thy creative wisdom. Their works speak unwittingly of Thee. How great art Thou in Thy creation! How great art Thou in man!

Prayers for you man. I know relationship stuff is always soooooooo hard.

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What I don't understand is just how hard this is. Before last night I played it over and over in my head and thought I could walk away without my emotions wrecking havoc. Right now I am sick to my stomach. Don't know if it's the guilt or love.

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“There is your brother, naked, crying, and you stand there confused over the choice of an attractive floor covering.”

What I don't understand is just how hard this is. Before last night I played it over and over in my head and thought I could walk away without my emotions wrecking havoc. Right now I am sick to my stomach. Don't know if it's the guilt or love.

What I don't understand is just how hard this is. Before last night I played it over and over in my head and thought I could walk away without my emotions wrecking havoc. Right now I am sick to my stomach. Don't know if it's the guilt or love.

The hardest feelings in the world to overcome. But, I promise, there is light at the end of he tunnel.

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I don't care too much about how I'm suffering but She texted me wanting to call her and I caved into it. Shes getting a counselor to come to her sisters house and talk with her because she won't even move. She can't eat, crying all the time, blah.

She needs more prayers than I do. I just don't want to sound like callous or whatever but she needs God right now. Im very empathetic towards her because I've been in her shoes but I worry my empathy will cause me to get back with her just for her sake.

I know bad mistake calling her but eh.

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“There is your brother, naked, crying, and you stand there confused over the choice of an attractive floor covering.”

I don't care too much about how I'm suffering but She texted me wanting to call her and I caved into it. Shes getting a counselor to come to her sisters house and talk with her because she won't even move. She can't eat, crying all the time, blah.

She needs more prayers than I do. I just don't want to sound like callous or whatever but she needs God right now. Im very empathetic towards her because I've been in her shoes but I worry my empathy will cause me to get back with her just for her sake.

I know bad mistake calling her but eh.

Goodness. All I can say is that I have been in some very bad relationship situations without the will to walk away, even thought walking away would have been the best thing for me. I pray you have the strength to move on.

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I don't want to sound like a nut, but since this break up I truly want to deepen my relationship with God. It's something I've wanted for a long time that just couldn't happen with my ex. I'd go to high Mass (I'm WRO) only but I never got to do anything else. I think it was 5 months into my relationship where my heart grew fonder for the Orthodox Church and how much I missed it. I observed just how dark I was spiritually because before that I was kind of hyperdox. But the difference in me was night and day.

Anyway I'm glad I'm away for a week so I can be strong when I see her on Tuesday.

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“There is your brother, naked, crying, and you stand there confused over the choice of an attractive floor covering.”

Well we had a talk yesterday since I got back. I had her spend the night until she figures out her living situation. So she basically has no one but me. She's going to have to live out of her car but I told her to patch things up with her former guardian so she can live there temporarily. But she doesn't want to. So I'm helpin her pack up tonight and she will have to be gone tomorrow. The worst part is I don't even feel bad for her anymore, I'm over this whole situation. An her begging to stay with me is getting on my nerves. That really does only push me further away. It ain't my problem right?

Just awesome.

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“There is your brother, naked, crying, and you stand there confused over the choice of an attractive floor covering.”

We usually think that a mistake is something like a point, an action that we perform in a certain point in time.

This, though, may be and usually is just the beginning of the mistake.

Breaking up with her was not right. But neither was staying with her. The tension this kind of situation brings comes from the fact that starting the relationship was the mistake, which was prolonged for all this time, leading to a situation where you have to chose the lesser of two evils. The first steps out of a swamp are still in the mud. But how did you actually enter the swamp after all?

You have accutely described your irresponsible attitude toward women. From this point on, "repent, go, and sin no more".

Stop over-promising to girls just because you are enfatuated to them. Better still fight enfatuation so you can find true love. They are two very different things. Enfatuation is the devil's temptation in your life to prevent you from having and giving love. It is how he makes you into his instrument to hurt people and yourself.

There are five sins here: 1) Seeing women as objects to satisfy your needs of sex, romance and challenge while they are not. They are full human beings with needs. Needs that you cannot satisfy as this case made painfully obvious; 2) Indulgence in that attitude; 3) In making them believe that you can satisfy their emotional needs you actually corrupt them by preventing them to access the opportunities they lost while with you and by planting seeds of cynism and despair in them. Further, by putting yourself and them in a path that was not chosen by God, you deviate both you and her; 4) Thinking that it is their responsibility to make up for the pain that you cause them by remembering they are responsible for their lives just after you had falsely committed to actually take part in that responsibility and failed, failed not because of lack of try in your part, but because you called upon you a mission much above your inner strength; 5) Vanity and over your own spiritual strength. Not everybody is suffciently strong to tackle any kind of suffering of other people, or to get them out of the holes they are. That is why not everybody is fit to deal with prisoners, or with drug addicts. You are obviously not prepared to deal with the kind of problems you have been looking for. Do not call to you battles that God does not give you and has not prepared for you. He will defend you only in the challenges He wants for you. Don't be prideful in dealing with people's problems. You cannot solve them all, you are not supposed to solve them all, don't tell yourself that your interest is helping a woman with problems when it is really just to have fun with her and it is easy in her emotional state.

In short, repent not only from specific actions, but from your general attittude and stand on these issues. Repent, confess, ask forgiveness to all the girls that you hurt if you can find them. Turly help them *if* possible, if in your possibilities, if they let you and if that will not light old sparkles in them. Stop being a false promise, because the devil is the father of all falseness.

Repent, confess and stop sinning. Seek help for that if necessary.

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We usually think that a mistake is something like a point, an action that we perform in a certain point in time.

This, though, may be and usually is just the beginning of the mistake.

Breaking up with her was not right. But neither was staying with her. The tension this kind of situation brings comes from the fact that starting the relationship was the mistake, which was prolonged for all this time, leading to a situation where you have to chose the lesser of two evils. The first steps out of a swamp are still in the mud. But how did you actually enter the swamp after all?

You have accutely described your irresponsible attitude toward women. From this point on, "repent, go, and sin no more".

Stop over-promising to girls just because you are enfatuated to them. Better still fight enfatuation so you can find true love. They are two very different things. Enfatuation is the devil's temptation in your life to prevent you from having and giving love. It is how he makes you into his instrument to hurt people and yourself.

There are five sins here: 1) Seeing women as objects to satisfy your needs of sex, romance and challenge while they are not. They are full human beings with needs. Needs that you cannot satisfy as this case made painfully obvious; 2) Indulgence in that attitude; 3) In making them believe that you can satisfy their emotional needs you actually corrupt them by preventing them to access the opportunities they lost while with you and by planting seeds of cynism and despair in them. Further, by putting yourself and them in a path that was not chosen by God, you deviate both you and her; 4) Thinking that it is their responsibility to make up for the pain that you cause them by remembering they are responsible for their lives just after you had falsely committed to actually take part in that responsibility and failed, failed not because of lack of try in your part, but because you called upon you a mission much above your inner strength; 5) Vanity and over your own spiritual strength. Not everybody is suffciently strong to tackle any kind of suffering of other people, or to get them out of the holes they are. That is why not everybody is fit to deal with prisoners, or with drug addicts. You are obviously not prepared to deal with the kind of problems you have been looking for. Do not call to you battles that God does not give you and has not prepared for you. He will defend you only in the challenges He wants for you. Don't be prideful in dealing with people's problems. You cannot solve them all, you are not supposed to solve them all, don't tell yourself that your interest is helping a woman with problems when it is really just to have fun with her and it is easy in her emotional state.

In short, repent not only from specific actions, but from your general attittude and stand on these issues. Repent, confess, ask forgiveness to all the girls that you hurt if you can find them. Turly help them *if* possible, if in your possibilities, if they let you and if that will not light old sparkles in them. Stop being a false promise, because the devil is the father of all falseness.

Repent, confess and stop sinning. Seek help for that if necessary.

I forced myself to finally glance over the second of your wordy posts in fear of what you might suggest here. If the length of your post didn't speak to hubris, the content certainly does.

I think Fabio had some good points in there. It takes two to tango and while don't think that taking all the blame is healthy in a breakup you will be much better off the next time around it you analyze your own failings and correct them. That, and repentance as well.

But I am going to have to back orthonorm up in the DO NOT CALL ALL THESE GIRLS UP. You will never hear the end of it. If you do decide to call them back and apologize, please, please keep a pistol and one bullet or a cyanide capsule around. Sometimes suicide is the best option. Giving a string of women who you may or may not have hurt emotionally an opportunity to rag on you is a great time to contemplate it. I know I would.

I think Fabio had some good points in there. It takes two to tango and while don't think that taking all the blame is healthy in a breakup you will be much better off the next time around it you analyze your own failings and correct them. That, and repentance as well.

But I am going to have to back orthonorm up in the DO NOT CALL ALL THESE GIRLS UP. You will never hear the end of it. If you do decide to call them back and apologize, please, please keep a pistol and one bullet or a cyanide capsule around. Sometimes suicide is the best option. Giving a string of women who you may or may not have hurt emotionally an opportunity to rag on you is a great time to contemplate it. I know I would.

This is a bit different than coming off all Optimal Elder on somebody over the internet.

Best course of action is no contact/no communication. I'm moving on with my life, and I'm sorry Fabio but your advice is just god awful.

EDIT: I mean seriously dude how is starting up a relationship a mistake? No relationship is never a mistake, and if it doesn't work out then it's a great learning experience. And let me tell you I've learned alot about myself.

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“There is your brother, naked, crying, and you stand there confused over the choice of an attractive floor covering.”

You call it ridiculous and absurd. Some of them will call it liberating. I am not recommending something I suppose that should work. I am recommending something that I did.

True, some find in it opportunity to vent their frustrations. Others as an opportunity to feel superior. One or two, though, say thank you in tears. We hurt people much more than you suppose in this. Even some who have convinced themselves that it was ok. Hopefully you too will find out it is not ok.

God meant us to either be alone or with one person only. No "experimentation" thing, as much as our times appreciate it. "Let thy fountain be blessed: and rejoice with the wife of thy youth". Proverbs 5:18. God does not tell us to find a woman with whom we will not have problems with. He simply says "stick to the woman I gave in your youth". And in those times, this woman was chosen by your parents.

People are not things we experiment with to learn more about ourselves and what we truly need or want. They are... people who exist for God's sake just like you and me. They do not exist to pay the cost for your "self-discovery" with their broken hearts.

The right relationship will not be the one where there is no pain or suffering, but the one that you decide to keep despite pain and suffering. When both your will and character become greater than the pain, then, and only then, will you be able to truly love and be loved.

Best course of action is no contact/no communication. I'm moving on with my life, and I'm sorry Fabio but your advice is just god awful.

EDIT: I mean seriously dude how is starting up a relationship a mistake? No relationship is never a mistake, and if it doesn't work out then it's a great learning experience. And let me tell you I've learned alot about myself.

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You call it ridiculous and absurd. Some of them will call it liberating. I am not recommending something I suppose that should work. I am recommending something that I did.

Newsflash, there is nothing NOTHING a dumper can say to help the dumpee. You have to let them heal on their own. The only thing you can say, which is the only thing they want, is for you to say "Oh let's just forget about this ever happened and let's get back together". Well guess what, that's not really going to happen and if that dumper did come back how do you know it's not going to happen again?

There's nothing I can say to make her feel better, only to get her time/space to heal and move on. Calling up an old ex 3 years later "Oh I'm so sorry" is so stupid, and could even potentially open up old wounds.

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God meant us to either be alone or with one person only. No "experimentation" thing, as much as our times appreciate it. "Let thy fountain be blessed: and rejoice with the wife of thy youth". Proverbs 5:18. God does not tell us to find a woman with whom we will not have problems with. He simply says "stick to the woman I gave in your youth". And in those times, this woman was chosen by your parents.

My parents are divorced, so that's not happening.

Secondly, what do you mean no "experimentation". Guess what dating is bub?

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People are not things we experiment with to learn more about ourselves and what we truly need or want.

Yes let me get into a relationship with someone just to hurt them so I find out who I really am. Nonsense. The only reason why I said I learned things about myself was AFTER the relationship is over. It's the healthiest thing to do. Look at what you can take away from it, something you learned from it and MOVE ON.

And yes sometimes in a relationships you do realize what you need and want. It happens. And that is one of the reasons why I needed to break up.

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The right relationship will not be the one where there is no pain or suffering, but the one that you decide to keep despite pain and suffering. When both your will and character become greater than the pain, then, and only then, will you be able to truly love and be loved.

Actually I think a marriage is blood, sweat and tears. Marriage ain't rainbows and butterflies.

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“There is your brother, naked, crying, and you stand there confused over the choice of an attractive floor covering.”

Instead of "I'm so sorry" which is couple's talk, use the formal and religious: "Forgive me for anything that I might have done that hurt you" or something to that effect. The objective is not trying to console, it is to ask forgiveness. We are precisely coming down from the pedestal. We are not the "great" guy who is to help them somehow. We are their equal, their brother. And this is important for relationships. If you feel you have to mentor the other person, hold your instinticts and rise up to the challenge: be a mentor. You don't have to have a relationship to mentor someone if it's really necessary. In fact, it is unethical for a mentor to have this kind of relationship to the mentoree.

What I suggested is nothing of my own invention. It's just Jesus instructions:

If therefore thou art offering thy gift at the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath aught against thee,leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way, first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift. St. Mat 5:22-24

For many guys who, after all don't have movie-like enemies, some of our most immediate "brothers"(or sisters in this case) is precisely the many girls whom we've hurt. We were brave enough to approach them, sometimes even seduce them, we were brave enough to break up with them, we sure can be Christian and brave enough to ask their forgiveness, even to those who even think it's not necessary.

As I said, yes, some do get angry, some do get arrogant or simply ignore it. Some say what you just said, since they were educated in the same age and values. But a couple feel really grateful and needed it. Besides God did not say anything about the reaction we should expect from the "brother" we reconciliate with. He just said we should go ask forgiveness. The martyrs were not afraid of horrible painful deaths for Christ. Why should we be afraid of some reproach made by girls?

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My parents are divorced, so that's not happening.

I'm sorry to hear that. But the proverb is not restricted to parenting orientation. The meaning of "the girl of your youth" is to progress from the first feelings of love we have for a girl. We must go beyond the phase of romantic and sexual interest (the young phase of love) toward a mature relationship. But we must stay with that girl we loved when love was "young". Unfortunately today people want only the first sensations of love and keep changing. This is like always going back to the beginning of the race because one loves more the thrill of waiting for the start shot than actually completing the race. The one who is loyal to the beginning of the race is he who finishes it.

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Secondly, what do you mean no "experimentation". Guess what dating is bub?

Exactly. Dating, in the form we exercise it today is anti-human and ungodly. We basically use each other in experiments, reducing ourselves and the other to things instead of people. Since what we think and do doesn't change reality, it simply helps in allienating us more, for our perception gets disconnected from reality - we partially perceive people as things. It really is irrelevant if people agree to do that for the final effects, just like if two people agree in coupled suicide it doesn't make the act right.

Getting to know each other should happen before any kind of non-just-friends relationship. Getting to know virtues and vices, habits, everything. For respect of the person as image of God, our loyalty and the giving of our entire life must include our present, past and future, nothing less. Or as Master Yoda would put it "Do. Or do not. There is no try."

You call it ridiculous and absurd. Some of them will call it liberating. I am not recommending something I suppose that should work. I am recommending something that I did.

Newsflash, there is nothing NOTHING a dumper can say to help the dumpee. You have to let them heal on their own. The only thing you can say, which is the only thing they want, is for you to say "Oh let's just forget about this ever happened and let's get back together". Well guess what, that's not really going to happen and if that dumper did come back how do you know it's not going to happen again?

There's nothing I can say to make her feel better, only to get her time/space to heal and move on. Calling up an old ex 3 years later "Oh I'm so sorry" is so stupid, and could even potentially open up old wounds.

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God meant us to either be alone or with one person only. No "experimentation" thing, as much as our times appreciate it. "Let thy fountain be blessed: and rejoice with the wife of thy youth". Proverbs 5:18. God does not tell us to find a woman with whom we will not have problems with. He simply says "stick to the woman I gave in your youth". And in those times, this woman was chosen by your parents.

My parents are divorced, so that's not happening.

Secondly, what do you mean no "experimentation". Guess what dating is bub?

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People are not things we experiment with to learn more about ourselves and what we truly need or want.

Yes let me get into a relationship with someone just to hurt them so I find out who I really am. Nonsense. The only reason why I said I learned things about myself was AFTER the relationship is over. It's the healthiest thing to do. Look at what you can take away from it, something you learned from it and MOVE ON.

And yes sometimes in a relationships you do realize what you need and want. It happens. And that is one of the reasons why I needed to break up.

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The right relationship will not be the one where there is no pain or suffering, but the one that you decide to keep despite pain and suffering. When both your will and character become greater than the pain, then, and only then, will you be able to truly love and be loved.

Actually I think a marriage is blood, sweat and tears. Marriage ain't rainbows and butterflies.

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I actually thought that you had already solved this. And the advice was related to prevent something like that from happening again.

But, since you are considering that, let me put in this way: what would you want if you were her? Not what you would want if you were in her shoes because maybe in that respect you could take more than her. But if you were actually her, with the kind of strength she has and everything? I *suppose* that the answer is "I would like to at least have more time to organize my life, so don't simply put me out for now. Give me half an year at least".

Now if you decide to take her in that is what I would advice (also from personal experience, not identical but similar): Rules. Rules. Rules. Not cold fascist rules, you two had something once after all. But rules to make clear that you are helping her to get up on her own feet again. No dating in the house for any of the two in the mean period. That is to prevent further broken feelings and also protects any healthy relationship you may have (or her!).

Have a clear project for her. To get a friend to live with, a job where she could pay her own rent somewhere , make the project adaptable - she has to be able to support herself in a decent, self-respecting way. We surely cannot help the person who doesn't want to help herself, but, from what I understood, you didn't even give her time to try after announcing you wanted her out. If I asked that question to myself I would answer that the most humane thing to do would be to say that she will have some time to organize her life, at least. Find a job so she can pay a rent in a decent place, get a network of good friends besides your own circle to help her and so on.

Fabio I have to know, and I want your opinion on this because I'm curious as to what response I'll receive, my girl has no father nor any family that will take her in.

In fact, her father, who has an empty house, will not let her stay because it would be uncomfortable for him if he has dates that come over.

I'm not making this up.

So considering that she has no one to go to, to live with, I assume you want me to have her stay. No?

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Couple of things. None of her "friends" are there to support her and let her stay. Secondly she doesn't have the money to get her own place. I got her to save up a a thousand dollars but her salary, she just can't move out.

Section 8 housing is about 6 months - 5 year waitlist.

I ain't into the whole bootstrap BS, but I've contemplated a 30 day timetable to find a place. Once that time period ends then she will have to leave.

I don't know yet, I just can't tolerate her any longer. And you know what how the hell is it my responsiblity to care for her when we aren't even married?

And no this wasn't "solved" same girl here.

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“There is your brother, naked, crying, and you stand there confused over the choice of an attractive floor covering.”

It's not you civil responsibility but it is your spiritual responsibility to at least try prevent the worst. Even if she was just a man-friend. You don't have to solve all her problems, but at least not just be homeless.

All that Christian talk of accepting our crosses, "giving up ourselves for Christ", "I must decrease, for He to increase in me" you know that? This is it. No theological jargon. It's the thing itself. It's your chance. You said you are a cathecumen, right? So be glad, because this is the Holy Spirit teaching you directly.

You say you don't tolerate her. But I suppose that what you really don't tolerate is the idea of having to live with her forever. That is no longer on the table. It's an impossibility and she knows that. You know that. *That* burden is no longer on your shoulder. Now, what you have is a person in *real* need of your help. Just that.

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Many Energies, 3 Persons, 2 Natures, 1 God, 1 Church, 1 Baptism, and 1 Cup. The Son begotten only from the Father, the Spirit proceeding only from the Father, Each glorifying the Other. The Son sends the Spirit, the Spirit Reveals the Son, the Father is seen in the Son. The Spirit spoke through the Prophets and Fathers and does so even today.