Beta Maleness Is The Real Marriage Killer

Adultery can kill marriage dead. So can sexual withdrawal or the death of a child. Now attention is being drawn to nagging, the tool in trade of the self-entitled shrew.

Nagging—the interaction in which one person repeatedly makes a request, the other person repeatedly ignores it and both become increasingly annoyed—is an issue every couple will grapple with at some point. While the word itself can provoke chuckles and eye-rolling, the dynamic can potentially be as dangerous to a marriage as adultery or bad finances. Experts say it is exactly the type of toxic communication that can eventually sink a relationship. […]

It is possible for husbands to nag, and wives to resent them for nagging. But women are more likely to nag, experts say, largely because they are conditioned to feel more responsible for managing home and family life. And they tend to be more sensitive to early signs of problems in a relationship. When women ask for something and don’t get a response, they are quicker to realize something is wrong. The problem is that by asking repeatedly, they make things worse.

The thousand-yard stare. I like to call it the lifeless gaze of surrender. Or the optical tomb of doom. You see it all the time on the faces of beaten down men married one too many years to fat, insolent wives. Many are quick to blame nagging as a source for this post-mortal condition, but to understand nagging you have to get at the root of the problem: the emotional letdown that compels wives to nag in the first place.

Women don’t nag out of the blue. Nor do they nag when they aren’t “getting their requests fulfilled” as the experts like to claim. And women don’t nag because of some nebulous, ill-defined leftie assertion that they suffer under the weight of social conditioning.

No, the root of it is simple: wives nag because their husbands have turned beta. Less succinctly, their husbands have become weak, enfeebled, grasping, defensive, sycophantic, solicitous “yes dear” yes-men. Strong men — alphas, you bet — almost never elicit the nagging response from their wives or girlfriends, and they aren’t exactly bending over backwards to do 50% of the housework or scrambling to fulfill all requests in a timely manner. The difference is that women never feel a need to nag an alpha lover with innumerable trivial demands, because these women who are so lucky to be with willful men have not had their sexual attraction replaced with the cold, dispiriting mentality of a schoolmarm overseeing errand boys.

Any man who takes the “experts'” advice and begins promptly responding to his wife’s nagging, thinking that resolution of her frivolous demands will resolve their marital issues, will only get more nagging, and more firmly shut legs, in return.

On the other side of the equation, the deteriorating wife syndrome explains many cases of nagging as well. Wife gets fat, old and ugly, husband loses sexual and romantic interest, wife responds by nagging to provoke signs of life from listless hubby. And the therapists and counselors say “just do what she says and all will be better”. What fools. This kind of nagging will never go away until the husband makes clear, one way or the other, that his wife’s physical decline will not be tolerated by him. A happy wife with a good body and an alpha husband is a wife who will rarely experience the incipient female compulsion to nag.

There’s a movie in the theaters right now, “The Descendants” with George Clooney, which is a squirmingly accurate depiction of betadom. Clooney’s character is rich and handsome (of course) but his wife was having an affair because he’s such a good little beta male.

And since the movie is made for women, he deals with it by, basically, becoming even more so.

My guess is that, upon learning of the affair, he came to realize that he was largely to blame, and learned to accept the situation, after some requisite pouting and slapstick attempts to exact some retribution on the swaggering stud who banged his wife.

In the end, he puts the affair behind him, and bravely moves on, raising his (?) children, just like the mother/wife/skank would want him to.

The Descendants is a good movie. Alexander Payne (Election, Sideways) is always worth watching.

Clooney’s character (Matt King) is not overwhelmingly beta. Whatever so-called betatude which inspires the affair already occurred off-screen before the movie takes place, and his reaction to news of the affair is forthright and manly. In fact, after his confrontation with his dead wife’s lover, he makes a firm alpha move at a level rarely depicted in cinema, forcing a surprise kiss on his cuckolder’s wife. (Can’t find video of it.)

Clooney effortlessly makes those moves because he is not a character actor: he plays leading men and cannot do otherwise. Even if he attempted the schlub portrayal — like, say, Giamatti in Sideways — the irreducible “alpha” would seep through.

Yes, betas are cheated on almost by rule. But the fact of cheating is not sufficient to distinguish between alpha and beta; i.e., not every man who was cheated on is by definition beta. It may be a reliable indicator, but it is not the whole story. The bigger point is how insufficient an alpha-beta binary can be when applying it to complicated circumstances. Like, say, discovering that your comatose wife and mother of your two kids had been cheating on you with a decidedly unalpha realtor. Not everything fits neatly into A/B cubby holes, and the attempt to cram judgment into categories delivers an inaccurate assessment more often than not.

Commenters to this site, and the host to a much lesser extent, have developed an annoying tic of describing everything as “alpha” or “beta,” depending on the direction of their criticism. Not only does the habit render their criticism almost content-free, it spreads the definition of “beta” so thinly that it becomes meaningless.

Descendants is worth seeing even if it says little about this website’s favorite subjects. Payne excels at depicting life unvarnished as it actually is. His most explicit portrayal of the difference between alpha and beta is in Sideways, a dissection of which would earn a man his Ph.D. in Pick-Up. If nothing else, the jaded mousy-cute potty-mouthed daughter of the Descendants spends half the movie in her bikini and nobody’s supposed to notice. So factor that into the price of the ticket.

The best part of the film is the way the screenplay, and presumably the book, portrays our idealized notion of “love.” (Tao of Steve: “We should just admit that romantic love is our national religion.”) Our modern notion of love is inadequate to the task of living, especially under the extreme stresses brought about by children, marriage, and death. Clooney’s King seems most concerned about whether his whorewife actually “loved” the one she was fucking. His ignorance of hypergamy is not exclusive to betas, but it helps keep them there.

The blue-pill ignorance of woman’s true nature is rampant because our understanding of love has been reduced to adolescent romanticism, and such a cramped view cannot possibly encompass, much less fathom, what motivated a “spirited” and “adventurous” girl like his wife to cheat on him. Ironically, the film’s climax demonstrates King’s dim intuition of true love, he acts on it in his forgiveness, and yet he remains unaware of the explicit connection. I think the authors and the filmmakers remain unaware too, like fish who don’t know they’re wet.

I can definitely see the link between “Sideways” and “The Tao of Steve” as in when the Sidways guys demonstrates higher worth through his wine knowledge.

And yes, “romance” offers few lasting solutions to living in the real world. It does tend to get her knocked up in the first place – all else follows, and it is seldom romantic.

I’m getting to the clarity of thought that manipulating a woman into sex is really for her own good and keeping her manipulated is a prerequisite for a lasting (ie economical) relationship. That drives one to choose women who are eager and willing to be manipulated (“Tell Me Lies, Tell Me Sweet Little Lies”) or are that rare bird who is clear-eyed and knows the score.

This kind of nagging will never go away until the husband makes clear, one way or the other, that his wife’s physical decline will not be tolerated by him. A happy wife with a good body and an alpha husband is a wife who will rarely experience the incipient female compulsion to nag.

You can buy a decade or so (assuming you marry when she is is 22-25) but when 30-35 hits then what?

She very likely thinks that you should love her no matter what even if she is not e feminist. I know I did. Most women today don’t realize how important looks are to their man (Obviously they did before the wedding. We tend to forget it after) Gently tell her the truth. She will reject it at first, she may even get angry. Be straightforward, but not an asshole. She is not happy about the 15 pounds either, but may refuse to really see it yet. Make it something that you are both doing so she begins to see it as a really nice thing to do together.

Buy the book “Protein Power by Dr. Michael Eades and Mary Dan Eades. It explains, in detail, what the insulin she is forcing through her body is doing to her in a way that is very easy to read.

15 pounds won’t take that long to reverse if she starts soon and if she goes the low carb route, after a couple of weeks the cravings will be gone. Do it together. Learn about it together, discuss it together, cook together or any combination thereof. Doing stuff like this as a couple can really bring you closer together and the conversations can be quite good.

No wonder she has zero hesitation at proudly and flagrantly slutting around on his sorry ass — he allows her to have several cats, on top her being a crazy fat ugly bitch. Must be some sort of masochist.

“No, the root of it is simple: wives nag because their husbands have turned beta.” Just as I always thought! Its essentially the man’s fault! ;)

Nagging doesn’t work and degrades the nagger while irritating the naggee. Respectfully asking (I’ve heard it termed “assertive asking”)until the desired result is achieved and then showing appreciation for it seems to be more effective. From what I understand, there is no such thing as a man feeling over appreciated.

I feel like there should be a distinction between “caring nagging” and “bitchy nagging”. If I had a wife (ha!) who nagged me about seeing the doctor regularly, eating healthy, exercising more, that I should have more sex with her, etc., wouldn’t that be a sign she still loves and cares about me? In light doses, I’d even find such nagging sweet and endearing.

It seems like the nagging you’re focusing on is the bitchy kind about chores, inane demands, cleaning up after myself, etc. And I fully agree with your assessment there.

A woman that gets regular orgasms, squirting orgasms, shivering speaking in tongues orgasms, totally wrung out like a sponge and left to sleep in a pool of her own juices orgasms – almost never complains. At least not in my limited experience.

And shit – complain about what? She’ll hum while taking that fucking trash out. And they won’t hoard a buncha pets and plants either.

Nothing mysterious about a woman. They’re shitty at clearly articulating what they want, but they won’t let a damn thing (like husbands) get in the way of getting what they want. And when they get it, they won’t allow silly stuff (like nagging) to jeopardize it. Not even from their female friends.

But about the closest she’ll come to nagging is mostly predicated by something close to “Can I please make a small suggestion, honey?” while rubbing hands through my hair.

Don’t take any shit, devour her ass sexually, and the rest will pretty much take care of itself.

My wife sings all day. She makes up short amusing songs about how cool I am and sings them all day around the house. I kid you not. She blows me on demand and has kept her looks over the past seven years we’ve been together. She’s afraid to lose me. That’s how it should be in a healthy marriage.

Marriage makes men beta in most cases because its a never ending series of progressively more difficult and elaborate shit tests to cut you down to servitude. Most men don’t realize this and react as society tells them to react, which makes things worse. The big one is withholding sex, which AW are encouraged to do. Its time to game her hard when that goes down. Start looking for some side action and make a point of noticing women. Start planning for divorce and be ice cold but pleasant about it if she asks. But if you give a woman the big O, you usually own her heart and soul. That hamster will spin in your favor instead of against you. This is an excellent remedy against her turning into the ice queen, as women are slaves to their own orgasms.

I think for some women there is a distinction, for some not. Reminding your man to do things he needs to do (like take care of his health) is an artform. You have to do it in such a way that it works, but at the same time feels sweet and endearing to him. There is nothing wrong with lightly pushing each other towards good things. It’s more like a helpful push towards where the person already wants to go on their own. It’s not a hard shove or an annoying poke, which would create resentment and resistance. Not saying I’m a master of this art, but just saying that it’s not always the same as bitchy nagging.

[heartiste: yes, feminine women know how to cajole with a bit of flair.]

It is better for a man to have a deformed wife that would hire others to make much of her, or a drunken Wife that would make much of herself, or an old wife that were bedridden of her tongue, or a thievish wife that should steal from himself and others, or a sluttish wife that would poison him and end all his misery […] than to be matched and overmatched with a scold.

I have heard a husband ask a wife such a mild question, and she hath snapped him up so disdainfully with an answer, that no Mistress would have used her apprentice boy so scornfully […] Therefore I advise all men–young and old, rich and poor–to marry any woman of any bad condition other than a scold.

More 16th and 17th century men’s thoughts on women here, including this from Joseph Swetnam in 1615:

Eagles eat not men till they are dead, but women devour them alive. For a woman will pick thy pocket and empty thy purse, laugh in thy face and cut thy throat. […] I know women will bite the lip at me and censure hardly of me, but I fear not the cursed Cow, for she commonly hath short horns. Let them censure of me what they will, for I mean not to make them my Judges, and if they shoot their spite at me, they may hit themselves. And so I will smile at them as at the foolish fly which burneth herself in the candle.

And so, friend Reader, if thou hast any discretion at all, thou mayest take a happy example by these most lascivious and crafty, whorish, thievish, and knavish women,…

As a successful lady litigant (May, 1896) remarked to her husband, “There is no law which compels me to obey or honour you, but there is a law that you must keep me.” This woman tersely sums up the position. In the case of a man of property the Courts will expropriate him for the benefit of his wife. In the case of a wage-earner the Courts from police magistrates to Supreme Court will decree him to be her earning slave, bound to work for her or go to prison. A wife, no matter if rolling in wealth, is not obliged to contribute a penny to her husband’s support, even if he be incapacitated from work through disease or accident.

Heartiste is correct. However, it should operate like the Army’s companies do. An officer known as the Captain, Company Commander, is the head of the company and his orders are to be carried out. The top non-commisioned officer(NCO) First Sergeant follows the company commander’s orders and carries them out and enforces them among the lower ranking soldiers. The company commander should always thoroughly listen the advice of the First Sergeant as the First Segeant is the Company Commander’s most prominant advisor before making any decisions. The man should be the company commander of his family and the woman is the First Sergeant. I’m not saying don’t listen to her nor am I saying antogonize her, but you should listen to her. You don’t always need to follow her advice, but if she is a good woman it is best to do so in many if not most circumstances. She should follow your orders without grumbling once you the man make your decision. You should treat her with respect. She should treat you with respect, deferance and treat you as the head of the household. You as the man should try to rule with her consensus, but there are times in which you may not be able to do so.

And, oh, yes, beta maleness contributed more than anything to the death of my 16-year-marriage. And (as I’ve said many times before) my eventual discovery of game, while coming far too late to save that marriage, has not only saved my relationships with my three kids but also put all three firmly in my camp, to the point where they wonder out loud why in God’s name their mother divorced me in the first place. Fortunately, their memories of the previous horrows of Beta Dad seem to be fading with time.

CH and Roosh and Dave from Hawaii and many others who post here and have their own blogs are the masters; I am but the learner. Had I learned sooner I, like Dave and whoever writes Married Man Sex Life and others, would be master of my (happily gamed) spouse rather than divorced. But bits and pieces of my story (and other adventures and opinions and such) are on my own blog. All are invited to read and comment.

And it was “horrors,” not “horrows.” Damn WordPress for not allowing comment editing after posting. And for occasionally screwing around with my Gravitar thingy.

Once, a few years ago, I heard a tone of a scold in my gal’s voice, and she did this in front of another couple we were dining with.

I stopped what I was doing, met her eye, and looked at her for two seconds, before calmly saying without any hint of affection, “Don’t ever talk to me like that.” I stared at her, waiting for a reply.

Taken aback, she sputtered,” Like what?”

Me, turning away, returning to what I was doing: “And don’t play dumb about it now.” I said nothing more.

No argument. No threat. No emotion displayed. And absolutely no discussion about fairness or feelings. I was done talking about it.

The silence in that room for the next 5 seconds as I ignored them all punctuated the moment perfectly. The gals quickly resumed some inane chatter, to get past the awkwardness, but everyone knew what I wanted them to: don’t give me any shit unless it is done in fun and with love.

Any good relationship with anyone–spouse, child, boss, customer, friend–is built on that foundation of respect: respect me enough to not give me any pointless shit. I will return the favor. Fail that simple test, and you are on outside of my affections. (Of course, the affection you provide has to be something they want. If you are a person lacking in charisma, money, skills, or some other thing people want, your withdrawal of affection is not much of a threat.)

If your brother’s wife doesn’t understand that simple rule, he needs to correct that fast, and with emphasis. If she simply does not care if she retains his affection, then he has a larger problem.

She went too far, right there. Putting up with that kind of shit is beta.
You should have fucked her senseless that night and dumped her the next morning.
There are shit tests, and there is disrespect. There is no excuse, none whatsoever, to stay with a girl who disrespects you, especially in public. Love/oneitis mean nothing when alpha pride and absolute worthiness of respect are jeopardized.

The more of a leadership role I take on, the less nagging I get. It’s not that I do more, it’s that I make sure things get done. Every once and a while, she slips up, and I respond by telling her if she wants it done so bad, she can do it herself, or a firm “no” with direct eye contact suffices. Most of the time, she realizes it wasn’t all that urgent once she figures out she has to do it.

Women will only nah if you let them. The solution to nagging? Crank up the asshole factor, laugh in her face like she just said something funny, and tell her she must be smoking crack if she thinks you’re going to acquiesce to her demands.

I’m just not convinced that long term monogamous relationships even work. The only way to keep the pussy dripping is to instill utter dread and doubt in her for the foreseeable future and that’s just not psychologically possible over the long term for most men.

Women really only want to bang when they are worried you’re going to leave them.

This guy bashes Game followers for living life on THEIR terms and NOT acquiescing to the social pressures that dictate that men should marry and have kids, find a woman to trust and love, yadda yadda yadda….He even uses the same shaming language so typical of feminists (“Growing up to be a sad old man chasing younger girls with no-one to love him”).

It’s men like this that instil in me the conviction that, you can’t force a man to learn Game. He needs to be burnt, hard, before he sees the need for it.

I can’t blame the man in a nagging situation. A nagging woman was obviously raised with no respect for men or really other people in general. She has no idea that people have limits, and that it is unwise to push them.

That’s not really the man’s fault. He didn’t make that mess. It is his fault if he stays there and takes that crap though.

A properly raised woman understands that no matter how nice a guy is, he could kick her ass. It takes at least 15 minutes for the police to arrive if they’re called, but it only takes 4 to choke a bitch out.

ZEUS (JOVE in da roman translation) WAS AN ALPHA MALE IN BOOK I OF HOMER’S ODYSSEY!!!! lzozozlzz

Zeus (JOve) tells his nagging wife Juno to SHUTP UP AND SIT DOWN and stop NAGGING AN D PHRYING STOP NAGIGGING AND PRYING!!!!!

so u see why da efemissta wealth-transferirng eneoconsstshs have to deconstruct and debauch ZEus and Jove zlozzlzl

”
When the pair had thus laid their plans, they parted- Jove to his house, while the goddess quitted the splendour of Olympus, and plunged into the depths of the sea. The gods rose from their seats, before the coming of their sire. Not one of them dared to remain sitting, but all stood up as he came among them. There, then, he took his seat. But Juno, when she saw him, knew that he and the old merman’s daughter, silver-footed Thetis, had been hatching mischief, so she at once began to upbraid him. “Trickster,” she cried, “which of the gods have you been taking into your counsels now? You are always settling matters in secret behind my back, and have never yet told me, if you could help it, one word of your intentions.”

“Juno,” replied the sire of gods and men, “you must not expect to be informed of all my counsels. You are my wife, but you would find it hard to understand them. When it is proper for you to hear, there is no one, god or man, who will be told sooner, but when I mean to keep a matter to myself, you must not pry nor ask questions.”

“Dread son of Saturn,” answered Juno, “what are you talking about? I? Pry and ask questions? Never. I let you have your own way in everything. Still, I have a strong misgiving that the old merman’s daughter Thetis has been talking you over, for she was with you and had hold of your knees this self-same morning. I believe, therefore, that you have been promising her to give glory to Achilles, and to kill much people at the ships of the Achaeans.”

“Wife,” said Jove, “I can do nothing but you suspect me and find it out. You will take nothing by it, for I shall only dislike you the more, and it will go harder with you. Granted that it is as you say; I mean to have it so; sit down and hold your tongue as I bid you for if I once begin to lay my hands about you, though all heaven were on your side it would profit you nothing.”

On this Juno was frightened, so she curbed her stubborn will and sat down in silence. But the heavenly beings were disquieted throughout the house of Jove, till the cunning workman Vulcan began to try and pacify his mother Juno. “It will be intolerable,” said he, “if you two fall to wrangling and setting heaven in an uproar about a pack of mortals. If such ill counsels are to prevail, we shall have no pleasure at our banquet. Let me then advise my mother- and she must herself know that it will be better- to make friends with my dear father Jove, lest he again scold her and disturb our feast. If the Olympian Thunderer wants to hurl us all from our seats, he can do so, for he is far the strongest, so give him fair words, and he will then soon be in a good humour with us.” ”

–http://classics.mit.edu/Homer/iliad.1.i.html

dis ahas been a public serveiev announcement from GBFM GREAT BOOKS FOR MENZZZ!!!

DA GREAT BOOKS FOR MENZ TEACH MENZ HOW TO BE ALPHAS!! LZOZOZLZL

so u see why tda neoeonths had to deiconstruct and debauch theda GRETA BOOSK AND CLASSICSS lzozzlzlo

The reason strikes me as fairly simple. Women civilize men. As a general rule, men will only be as civilized as female expectations and demands force them to be. “Liberate” men from those expectations, and Lord of the Flies logic kicks in. Liberate women from this barbarism, and male decency will soon follow.

without jonah goldberg’s wife’s arresting beauty (lozllz!), neocon woman expectations, and neocon woman demands (lzozll! omg lozlzlz!), jonah goldberg would be out playing lord of the flies, running around with no shirt on down K street, rockin’ out with his goldberg neocon cock (neocock) out, ducking into bars to ravage all that his rightfully his as an untamed beta-male neocon. lozlzlzl!

why do neocons think that we are all like them?

also, throughout the history of mankind, it has been men who have laid down the law–from homer and moses on down–not pussified neoconning goldberg’s wife & her feminist friends. lzozll! i mean lookw hat the fmeinist movement has done to the family lzzozlzl! WTF is goldberg thinking????? Single mother familes r good?? Have you ever dated a few chicks with no fatehrs goldberg? If so, and you still wnat fatherless families, where teh neocons repalce teh father with debt-based fiat dolalrs, you hate women & love ur kinky kink & shiznit yo.

The reason strikes me as fairly simple. Women civilize men. As a general rule, men will only be as civilized as female expectations and demands force them to be. “Liberate” men from those expectations, and Lord of the Flies logic kicks in. Liberate women from this barbarism, and male decency will soon follow.

hahahahah! what goldberg is saying that is if his wife didn’t lay down the law, he would be a beasty man alpha male, smacking women around, rocking out with his cock out, as that is in Jonah Goldberg’s true, deep, neocon nature. lozllz! he admits it! and then he projects his neocon nature on the entire world as neocons do to justify their pre-emptive, illegal, unconstitutional wars! lzozll!

you guys do understand that feminism is an illegal, pre-emptive war waged against men, the family, and children to profit the fiat neocons, right? lozlzl!

“To say that liberalism is rooted in fascism because Mussolini had once been a socialist says that Goldberg’s …neo-conservatism must be rooted in Communism. Look at the roots of prominent neocons: Irving Kristol is a former Trotskyist and Josh Muravchik is a YPSL alum. …Jonah Goldberg …therefore Bolshevik Conservatives? … ” –http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/117981

Feminism is an excellent example of how the Rockefeller mega cartel uses the awesome power of the mass media (i.e. propaganda.) to control society.

In 40 short years, many women have lost touch with their natural loving instincts. Consequently, the family is in disarray, sexual depravity is rampant and birth rates have plummeted.

–http://www.savethemales.ca/001904.html

Goldberg sees depopulation and the decline of birth rates as a good thing. lozlzlzlzl !!!

“Forgetting the question of decency and morality for a moment, there’s the matter of national interests. Female equality seems to be a pretty reliable treatment for many of the world’s worst pathologies. Population growth in the Third World tends to go down as female literacy goes up. Indeed, female empowerment might be the single best weapon in the “root causes” arsenal in the war on terror.” –http://article.nationalreview.com/427383/where-feminists-get-it-right/jonah-goldberg?page=2

as a neocon it is jonah goldberg’s DIVINE RIGHT to plan and effect the world’s population. lozlzl!

is it any wonder the trotskyite, power-hungry, neocons had to kill the memory of edmund burke, moses, jesus, homer, and russell kirk? lozlzlz! to make room for jonah goldberg’s chubby face & endless neocon betamale prattling, as his wife keeps him tame, dulling his true, inherent, lord of the flies nature? lozlzl

The reason strikes me as fairly simple. Women civilize men. As a general rule, men will only be as civilized as female expectations and demands force them to be. “Liberate” men from those expectations, and Lord of the Flies logic kicks in. Liberate women from this barbarism, and male decency will soon follow.

without jonah goldberg’s wife’s arresting beauty (lozllz!), neocon woman expectations, and neocon woman demands (lzozll! omg lozlzlz!), jonah goldberg would be out playing lord of the flies, running around with no shirt on down K street, rockin’ out with his goldberg neocon cock (neocock) out, ducking into bars to ravage all that his rightfully his as an untamed beta-male neocon. lozlzlzl!

why do neocons think that we are all like them?

also, throughout the history of mankind, it has been men who have laid down the law–from homer and moses on down–not pussified neoconning goldberg’s wife & her feminist friends. lzozll! i mean lookw hat the fmeinist movement has done to the family lzzozlzl! WTF is goldberg thinking????? Single mother familes r good?? Have you ever dated a few chicks with no fatehrs goldberg? If so, and you still wnat fatherless families, where teh neocons repalce teh father with debt-based fiat dolalrs, you hate women & love ur kinky kink & shiznit yo.

The reason strikes me as fairly simple. Women civilize men. As a general rule, men will only be as civilized as female expectations and demands force them to be. “Liberate” men from those expectations, and Lord of the Flies logic kicks in. Liberate women from this barbarism, and male decency will soon follow.

hahahahah! what goldberg is saying that is if his wife didn’t lay down the law, he would be a beasty man alpha male, smacking women around, rocking out with his cock out, as that is in Jonah Goldberg’s true, deep, neocon nature. lozllz! he admits it! and then he projects his neocon nature on the entire world as neocons do to justify their pre-emptive, illegal, unconstitutional wars! lzozll!

you guys do understand that feminism is an illegal, pre-emptive war waged against men, the family, and children to profit the fiat neocons, right? lozlzl!

“To say that liberalism is rooted in fascism because Mussolini had once been a socialist says that Goldberg’s …neo-conservatism must be rooted in Communism. Look at the roots of prominent neocons: Irving Kristol is a former Trotskyist and Josh Muravchik is a YPSL alum. …Jonah Goldberg …therefore Bolshevik Conservatives? … ” –http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/117981

Feminism is an excellent example of how the Rockefeller mega cartel uses the awesome power of the mass media (i.e. propaganda.) to control society.

In 40 short years, many women have lost touch with their natural loving instincts. Consequently, the family is in disarray, sexual depravity is rampant and birth rates have plummeted.

–http://www.savethemales.ca/001904.html

Goldberg sees depopulation and the decline of birth rates as a good thing. lozlzlzlzl !!!

“Forgetting the question of decency and morality for a moment, there’s the matter of national interests. Female equality seems to be a pretty reliable treatment for many of the world’s worst pathologies. Population growth in the Third World tends to go down as female literacy goes up. Indeed, female empowerment might be the single best weapon in the “root causes” arsenal in the war on terror.” –http://article.nationalreview.com/427383/where-feminists-get-it-right/jonah-goldberg?page=2

as a neocon it is jonah goldberg’s DIVINE RIGHT to plan and effect the world’s population. lozlzl!

is it any wonder the trotskyite, power-hungry, neocons had to kill the memory of edmund burke, moses, jesus, homer, and russell kirk? lozlzlz! to make room for jonah goldberg’s chubby face & endless neocon betamale prattling, as his wife keeps him tame, dulling his true, inherent, lord of the flies nature? lozlzl

There is something of a “push pull” aspect to all of this. Guys often start LTRs fairly Alpha, and they get married not infrequently because they and their partner are in love and treating one another well. However, not too long after finalizing the deal, the subversion begins. Guys thinking they have to put up with a certain amount of crap to “make a marriage work” avoid having WWIII every time they’re nagged. They want to be helpful. But the nagging doesn’t end. The author is wrong to think this is something that compliance can sort out; it stems from a loss of respect and attraction by the female. That’s why it’s interminable and nothing can fix it. Resistance is treated as being controlling or angry or whatever. Compliance is a sign of weakness. It’s a true “no win.”

Nipping it in the bud can’t hurt. But when someone is in love constant browbeating can wear one out and hurt one’s self respect. It can literally turn a winner whom one might want to marry into exactly what is being projected by the nagging: a useless loser.

I think prevention has to be part of the solution. Most naggers have signs by being high maintenance princesses, negative accounts of family life, and a strong commitment to bullshit feminism.

‘…until the husband makes clear, one way or the other, that his wife’s physical decline will not be tolerated by him. A happy wife with a good body and an alpha husband is a wife who will rarely experience the incipient female compulsion to nag.’

well, what can be done about age’s role in physical decline? the wife can buy a couple years through weight control and exercise, but the ‘wall’ is, as is so often noted here, unavoidable. the guy may be alpha but he’s powerless to stop the clock. now what?

btw, i never nag any more since learning in our long marriage that it’s useless. he nags me. aha haha ahaha.

“the guy may be alpha but he’s powerless to stop the clock. now what?”

Hmm. Interesting. How is his powerlessness his problem, any more than *his* age was the now-aging woman’s problem 20 years earlier, when Mr. Alpha was 15, skinny, and not worthy of her attention? Sorry if time works against ladies in a way it does not against men. Welcome to the flip side of 30-35.

Women seem to think that their declining SMV is something men must accept, address, remedy, ignore, etc. and have no reaction to. Nope. Just like women did not have to grin and bear it during their late teens and early twenties with some maturing lower-beta chump who did not turn them on, mature men do not have some obligation to stay forever with ladies who age. In short, men can Eat, Pray, Love too, ma’am.

I know. I know. Heresy!

Some gals apparently want “forever” commitments from men, to lock in access to alpha status, despite aging. But in our world, no woman is locked into staying with a man, if say, another more alpha dude comes along. Same rules for guys, ladies. Or at least that is how it is supposed to work; the law says one thing, but does another.

Girls, you can’t stop the clock but you CAN control your figure and make an effort to look as good as you can. Exhibits – my own female relatives (including my mother) from ages seventy to nearly a century who were slender beauties in their youth and still slender and (in their own way) beautiful today.

‘Some gals apparently want “forever” commitments from men, to lock in access to alpha status, despite aging. But in our world, no woman is locked into staying with a man, if say, another more alpha dude comes along. Same rules for guys, ladies.’

yeah, it sucks for sure. trouble is the honest woman who won’t engage in such shenanigans can have the rug pulled out from under her as easily as one who is faithless. in fact, the faithless one would be in a better place vis a vis the arms race between the sexes than the honest woman. the expression that no good deed goes unpunished comes to mind.

maybe a woman’s best strategy is build a lifeboat of sorts (e.g.,stay or get employed) while abiding by her husband’s wishes that she be faithful and that she maintain her looks as well as she can, all the while being on the lookout for possible adverse events. don’t put all your eggs in one basket.

Your strategy, carolyn, is anti-feminine. By being a mercenary, you lose the vulnerability that may trigger the male instinct to protect you.
Men are able to love an aging wife (especially if they had access to her in her prime years). Shit, there are losers who love and marry aging-well-past-their-prime-five-times-divorced hags.

I understand your will to be clear-headed. But realism apparently leads you to cynicism, and cynicism will lead you to bitterness.
An aging wife is bad. A bitter aging wife is worse, far worse. By despising the male desire, you’ll lose your ability to age gracefully.

Lance, just bear that in mind when others view you similarly to the panda.

Realism is realism, and would include realism about race/ethnicity.

Racism, is the refuge of the unlovable woman and unenterprising man. Racists are the best proof that welfare above civility maintenance is bad. If you give people things they didn’t earn for too long, they come to believe that they are entitled to them.

Here’s a clue: the color of a drone is irrelevant to anyone except other drones.

Just because you had some years of believing your nobility gave a crap about you aside of how much tribute you could produce for a couple hundred years doesn’t mean that anything has really changed. A few generations ago, it didn’t even matter if a White woman was pregnant if she owed money. Her ass would be in jail under utterly horrifying conditions. She could even be sold into prostitution to service Black slaves.

How could you possibly believe that the people who did this to you, or their descendants, have your best interests in mind now? Are those the coat tails you really want to be riding to look down your nose at others?

Don’t you ever feel a twinge of irony when typing out your inane anti-White prattle on the very technology that race provided you?

I know the concept of White Nationalism gives your ilk the heebie-jeebies, because you fear losing the comforts of Western Civilization and trying to make a go of it amongst your own kind.

But it’s coming down to a question of the existence of my people and a future for White children… NOT NEGOTIABLE… and all the nigger-babble shaming language your Marxist professors taught you in Coloured Folk Studies 101 doesn’t cut it any longer.

If you give people things they didn’t earn for too long, they come to believe that they are entitled to them.

Lawdy, if THAT didn’t bury the needle on the irony meter, nothing will.

The vast majority of divorces are the woman leaving the man, not the man abandoning his wife due to aging. The majority of lonely older women are a result of their own hubris during their prime years, I don’t have much sympathy for them.

Some women do get abandoned though. Husbands also die from time to time. It is always a good thing to have a plan B. Just don’t sacrifice your family for it.

If you didn’t have the fortune to be born into a rich family, the time to start financially planning to have children is as soon as you think you might want to have kids someday. Start putting aside for that because kids are expensive. I don’t think any man has a problem with a woman being resourceful. Indeed, this is part of the woman’s job in the family: figuring out how to live within your means.

I’m starting a harem, at least taking a second “celestial wife” who, of course, is younger. The older one can get a job and help pay for the household and our kids. The younger one can warm my bed, make the place pretty, cook better meals and help as a sister wife.

The second wife has a religous background and has been very diligent in searching Scripture for guidence – and it’s ALL GOOD!

The end of the article is the most accurate, IMO. There are two types of nagging. There is the indifferent, I’ve resigned myself to a life with your sorry ass nagging, that stems from a woman’s disinterest, even disgust, in her husband. Being beta can certaintly hasten this, but honestly, every person in a marriage eventually comes to the realization that their partner isn’t all that. Spouses grow tired of the hottest wives and the most alpha husbands. The inherently limiting nature of marriage causes a spouse to confront the sexual marketplace and their self-imposed absence from it. A lot of marriages don’t make it. Some do, and from that point forward illusions of “alphaness” or “she’s a 10″ thinking are unrealistic, almost silly. At the same time, both partners from that point forward cannot rely upon the endorphin rush of infatuation and lust to keep the attraction going. The male needs to man up, and the female needs to make concerted efforts at keeping her body as good as possible, and going the extra mile in the bedroom. once you realize you’re stuck with this person, you have every right to expect the best from them. And the man needs to grow up and be a man as well.

The other kind of nagging is often caused by being too alpha. This nagging is a test to see whether the female still has power in the relationship. Acknowledging that you hear her and occasionally giving her what she wants is not a bad thing for this kind of nagging. Even hot girls have times when they feel fat and ugly. And if you’re a successful, confident alpha all the time, they are going to feel insecure. If you’re too indifferent and aloof to this female neediness, eventually they will feel alienated from you. I think I made this mistake in my marriage. This needy nagging often masks deeper insecurities and self-doubts.

It’s a balancing act. Being indifferent alpha all the time is not a good long term marriage strategy, based on my limited experience. Especially when you’re aloof and indifferent and cheating. I don’t care what the sexual marketplace may say in theory about this. In practice, if your wife has one female friend or relative, she’s going to divorce you.

But I agree with Heartiste, the solution isn’t to be a supplicating beta all the time either. You have to maintain your self-respect and confidence, while authentically maintaining the connection with your wife. Its tough and I failed to do it.

As far as the deeper point about beta-ness being the big marriage killer, I fully agree. A woman who feels attraction for her man is a happy woman. A woman who does not feel attraction/admiration for her man is an unhaaaapy woman who will not hesitate to dish out disrespect.

You don’t have to be perfect all the time, but if you lay the pipe well and never let her put you into subjection, she will be attracted and happy as long as you wish.

She will fight like hell to usurp your throne, but will slash you and slay you if you allow it. She will be happiest if she is defeated every time she tries. Just hold your position on the throne. Side note: Kings are not neglectful slackers, they must be diligent. If you fail to be diligent, you will get disrespected and undermined.

Men who abdicate their throne are fucked. Thus, the point of this OP

Seriously, its not that hard to suceed with women as much as you want to. Just Dominate them and put them into subjection. It fucking WORKS, and its what she wants. It also cures almost everything, including nagging.

Bonus: Once you train your girl, it runs almost automatically. Harmony. Fun. Great sex. Laughing instead of fighting.

Just be on guard for the occasional shit test, and smack it down. She WANTS you to rule well… but you gotta do this and know this of your own volition.

what heartistse heartistse is forgetting is that today, in many situations, to act like an alpha or to raise your voice will get the cops called on you or only provide fodder for her divorce lawyers so they can assockc u just like they were asscoked in college and deousled by tucer max rhyems iwth goldmans sax lzozlzlzo

I expect that in some relationships, nagging is an unconscious (or conscious) attempt on the woman’s part to kindle anger in their mate. Think about it: some men are deep enough in beta that there’s really nothing attractive about them at all, from the wife’s perspective. The only bit of alpha behavior they might be able to elicit would be a burst of anger… better than nothing!

My wife is an Amazon Alpha and hectors and nags everyone. Her children, her ex-husband (who is a super-alpha and btw, handles her nags beautifully — I’ve learned a lot from this guy.). Still, I have found myself putting up with crap for a long time, but I always rein it in. I admit that when I do rein her in, it’s usually done matter-of-factly, but I go farther than you’d expect:

2. Whoever told you that women should openly express their opinions misinformed you. You should have had that habit knocked out of you years ago. (She took that. She won’t take pushback from nagging, but she can be told to shut up.)

3. Your last marriage marriage failed because you didn’t realize your role was to quietly and humbly serve your husband. (Her head exploded — seriously, every neuron fired at once — she cried, laughed, and screamed at the same time.) Eventually, she admitted she should have been more submissive.

4. You quarrelsome, contentious woman. Keep it up and you’re in for a spanking. (“Promises, promises” is her reply.)

5. What I’m telling you is manifestly true. Nothing further to discuss.

6. It is not “understandable” that your friend has been banging her personal trainer for the past three years. She’s an adulterous skank, and no, I won’t meet your skanky friend for lunch.

The lesson I’ve learned is that as men, we often go halfway in reining in nagging or in avoiding betadom, often because some requests are quite reasonable. Yes, I needed to fix the front door. I went and fixed it. But women tie everything to the relationship, which to us men sounds insanely paranoid. To her, we’re fixing the door together and fixing the door is about the current state of our relationship. No, it’s not. It’s about the wind knocking the storm door around.

Meeting her halfway because it’s reasonable is a difficult trick to pull off. Sometimes it works well. Suggestion: Make it your idea and do it on your schedule. Pretend she never nagged. Indeed, one thing I do is use her words as if they were mine, especially afterward. “Wow, that door was making more noise than I thought. Glad I got it done.” When she says, “I told you that” say, “Oh, did you mention it?” Drives ‘em nuts.

Anyway, you have to find what works for you. I find it difficult to simply stay on alert at all times and “play game” all the time. It’ll drain your energy. Part of what natural alphas do is ignore it and then either rein in with humor, negs, or direct rebukes. Whatever you do, don’t argue.

It really boggles my mind to see so many guys that are thrilled to just hang out with a chick without any sex or intimate contact. If a night with a chick doesn’t end in me getting my dick wet, I consider that a failure.

So because men are starting to realize beating their wives is stupid, people are getting more divorces? You, sir, are retarded. Also shows how far this gets people, as “alphas” such as yourself are the ones whining on the internet that they can’t get any because they treat women like shit. Get with the times. We’re not your slaves. It’s assholes like you why I would never marry a man; so many men are too full of themselves and think they can go around treating others however they want, you’d have to really hate yourself to want to deal with them.