Re: Let's Play! Utena for the Sega Saturn!

Ragnarok wrote:

Miki goes to the cake shop? Maybe he's hoping Anthy will show up there.

Yeah, you'd think he'd go to the city conservatory or library, but the guidebook says he's in the cakeshop, and I've seen screenshots of him there...then again, Miki's still 13-years-old, and most middle-schoolers haven't outgrown their childhood sweet-tooth (heck, I haven't outgrown my childhood sweet-tooth)

...plus, at least one of the times you go to the cake-shop, Kozue's w/ him, and Kozue would vastly prefer the cakeshop over the local library or conservatory or museum. Makes sense.

...Just as long as Miki and Kozue don't buy milkshakes. *Shudders*

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Re: Let's Play! Utena for the Sega Saturn!

I have a question for our translator extraordinaire: Dalbun, what kind of pronoun does Chigusa use to refer to herself? I mean, as much fun as it is to make fun of D-ko’s complete obliviousness to plunging necklines , maybe that has something to do with it.

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Re: Let's Play! Utena for the Sega Saturn!

Well...uh...this could have gone better. '

WinstonTA wrote:

OnlyInThisLight wrote:

after each option, she could put a symbol or a name to tell us what 'path' said options is 'preparing' us for. Such as a or if it will gain us points with the character whose ending we have decided we want

I agree with this. It's just close enough to directly going with a walkthrough, but allows us to still maintain an element of surprise.

Thirded. Dalbun can summarize any parts which are already translated. I also vote for keeping D-ko's name. Let's give her another chance.

Giovanna wrote:

Katieryn wrote:

I'd like to try for the "perfect" ending, since it'll be all plotty and whatnot

Nights1stStar wrote:

(for me, if it were at all possible to combine Saionji's ending with one that elaborates Chigusa's plot I'd be all for it)

I don't know for certain, but I don't think the Perfect Ending will actually be much more plotty than the character endings - if it does give us more backstory, it will only be a little. In any case, the routes to the character endings are likely to be far more interesting. (My personal vote is to go for Touga, because that sounds like loads of fun. Miki would also be fun, if only because we would surely run afoul of Kozue.)

LectitoErgoSum wrote:

I have a question for our translator extraordinaire: Dalbun, what kind of pronoun does Chigusa use to refer to herself? I mean, as much fun as it is to make fun of D-ko’s complete obliviousness to plunging necklines , maybe that has something to do with it.

Chigusa uses "watashi," the polite pronoun for either gender (bordering on feminine). There are no excuses. (One thing I did notice is that when Chigusa says "watashi," it's written with the kanji 私, whereas when D-ko says it, it's generally written out in hiragana as わたし, giving it a slightly more childish feel. It's one of those crazy things you can do in written Japanese that's completely impossible to convey out loud. Or translate.)

Nights1stStar gave a good summary of the game mechanics, although I think you're overstating the connection between our girliness and our vulnerability. In a sense, Chigusa's points do seem to indicate how much she likes us... as a victim. Submissive, "girly" choices which put us more under her thrall give her points, sure, but there are also choices (like the library one) that displease Chigusa for completely different reasons. (I scouted that choice out when we were at that juncture.)

By the way, it's just as well that we're playing through again, because even if we hadn't gotten in the Akio Car, we were on a crash course for a Game Over ending. I checked.

Re: Let's Play! Utena for the Sega Saturn!

Dallbun wrote:

Nights1stStar gave a good summary of the game mechanics, although I think you're overstating the connection between our girliness and our vulnerability. In a sense, Chigusa's points do seem to indicate how much she likes us... as a victim. Submissive, "girly" choices which put us more under her thrall give her points, sure, but there are also choices (like the library one) that displease Chigusa for completely different reasons. (I scouted that choice out when we were at that juncture.)

Thanks for telling me. As one who has scoured the game guides and desperately tried to convert the game to PC despite knowing no Japanese, it's good to get a feel of the character subtleties that one can't pick up on just by reading unofficial, fan-translated guides. Not to mention that the reasoning behind some of Chigusa's feelings are riddled with spoilers, and I can't exactly post them. At least I got a good grasp of the game strategies.

About the translations vs. summary debate, I'd say copy-and-paste translations, because then it's a win-win situation. New players/old players who want to review scenes can read them wholly, and old players who want to skip the scenes can just scroll down.

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Re: Let's Play! Utena for the Sega Saturn!

Dallbun wrote:

there are also choices (like the library one)

Whoops, I meant the newspaper club choice, of course, not the library. You can't go to the Ohtori library. Nobody goes to the library. (Seriously, is it ever seen again after episode 4 in the TV series?)

Re: Let's Play! Utena for the Sega Saturn!

Oddly, enough, I would like to go for a Miki ending as well. I think we didn't get to see nearly enough of him this playthrough (he got one, maybe two choices), and I would REALLY like to see more Kozue. I don't mind not going for an Utena ending, even though she's my favourite; if we're keeping her points above 60% anyway, we'll see enough of her to satisfy.

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Touga!

No seriously. I wanna see her cry when she has to get in line.

Akio, you have nice turns of phrase, but your points aren't clear and you have no textual support. I can't give this a passing grade. ~ Professor Arisa Konno, Eng 1001 (Freshman Literature and Composition)