Post by snow on Jan 23, 2020 17:24:36 GMT -5

What is really concerning is people sitting there just soaking this stuff up! And they blame atheists for the state of the world.

In the end there will only be three things that matter. How much you loved, how gently you lived, and how gracefully you let go of the things not meant for you. The BuddhaMorality comes not from a book, or a guy up in the sky, but from the idea that how you treat people matters, because how people feel matters. Unknown.

Post by dmmichgood on Mar 2, 2020 22:52:03 GMT -5

In different ways though Wally. I have two kids that have a wonderful life and are great kids. One would want to hope that this nutcase isn’t a parent or will ever become a parent..

Eh, -no Wally; -not stuck in the OT at all. Very much alive & well in some NT Christian churches yet today.Or don't you know about the "Christian Reconstructionist model" that Bob mentioned?

Christian reconstructionism

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_reconstructionism <excerpts>

Christian reconstructionism is a fundamentalist Reformed theonomic movement that developed under the ideas of Rousas Rushdoony, Greg Bahnsen and Gary North; it has had an important influence on the Christian Right in the United States.

In keeping with the cultural mandate, reconstructionists advocate theonomy and the restoration of certain biblical laws said to have continuing applicability.

The movement declined in the 1990s and was declared dead in a 2008 Church History journal article, although Christian reconstructionist organizations such as the Chalcedon Foundation and American Vision are active today.

A Christian denomination that advocates the view of Christian reconstructionism is the Reformed Presbyterian Church in the United States.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Reconstructionist perspectiveTheonomy

Christian reconstructionists advocate a theonomic government and libertarian economic principles.

They maintain a distinction of spheres of authority between family, church, and state.For example, the enforcement of moral sanctions under theonomy is carried out by the family and church government, and sanctions for moral offenses are outside the authority of civil government (which is limited to criminal matters, courts and national defense). ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Reconstructionists argue, though, that under theonomy, the authority of the state is severely limited to a point where only the judicial branch exists (e.g., a criminal does not have any fear that a police force will break into their house at night, since, under theonomy, there is no executive branch and therefore no police force).

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Prominent advocates of Christian reconstructionism have written that according to their understanding, God's law approves of the death penalty not only for murder, but also for propagators of all forms of idolatry, open homosexuals, adulterers, practitioners of witchcraft, blasphemers, and perhaps even recalcitrant youths (see the List of capital crimes in the Bible).

Conversely, Christian reconstructionism's founder, Rousas Rushdoony, wrote in The Institutes of Biblical Law (the founding document of reconstructionism) that Old Testament law should be applied to modern society, and he advocates the reinstatement of the Mosaic law's penal sanctions.

Under such a system, the list of civil crimes which carried a death sentence would include murder, homosexuality, adultery, incest, lying about one's virginity, bestiality, witchcraft, idolatry or apostasy, public blasphemy, false prophesying, kidnapping, rape, and bearing false witness in a capital case.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------It is difficult to assess the influence of Reconstructionist thought with any accuracy most leaders of the Religious Right are careful to distance themselves from it.

At the same time, it clearly holds some appeal for many of them.One undoubtedly spoke for others when he confessed, 'Though we hide their books under the bed, we read them just the same.'

In addition, several key leaders have acknowledged an intellectual debt to the theonomists. Jerry Falwell and D. James Kennedy have endorsed Reconstructionist books. Rushdoony has appeared on Kennedy's television program and the 700 Club several times.Pat Robertson makes frequent use of 'dominion' language; his book, The Secret Kingdom, has often been cited for its theonomy elements; and pluralists were made uncomfortable when, during his presidential campaign, he said he 'would only bring Christians and Jews into the government,' as well as when he later wrote, 'And Jay Grimstead, who leads the Coalition on Revival, which brings Reconstructionists together with more mainstream evangelicals, has said, 'I don't call myself ,' but 'A lot of us are coming to realize that the Bible is God's standard of morality … in all points of history … and for all societies, Christian and non-Christian alike… It so happens that Rushdoony, Bahnsen, and North understood that sooner.'

He added, 'There are a lot of us floating around in Christian leadership—James Kennedy is one of them—who don't go all the way with the theonomy thing, but who want to rebuild America based on the Bible.'

Post by ant_rotten on Mar 2, 2020 22:57:30 GMT -5

In different ways though Wally. I have two kids that have a wonderful life and are great kids. One would want to hope that this nutcase isn’t a parent or will ever become a parent..

Eh, -no Wally; -not stuck in the OT at all. Very much alive & well in some NT Christian churches yet today.Or don't you know about the "Christian Reconstructionist model" that Bob mentioned?

Christian reconstructionism

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_reconstructionism

<excerpts>

Christian reconstructionism is a fundamentalist Reformed theonomic movement that developed under the ideas of Rousas Rushdoony, Greg Bahnsen and Gary North; it has had an important influence on the Christian Right in the United States.

In keeping with the cultural mandate, reconstructionists advocate theonomy and the restoration of certain biblical laws said to have continuing applicability.

The movement declined in the 1990s and was declared dead in a 2008 Church History journal article, although Christian reconstructionist organizations such as the Chalcedon Foundation and American Vision are active today.

A Christian denomination that advocates the view of Christian reconstructionism is the Reformed Presbyterian Church in the United States.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Reconstructionist perspective

Theonomy

Christian reconstructionists advocate a theonomic government and libertarian economic principles.

They maintain a distinction of spheres of authority between family, church, and state.For example, the enforcement of moral sanctions under theonomy is carried out by the family and church government, and sanctions for moral offenses are outside the authority of civil government (which is limited to criminal matters, courts and national defense). ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Reconstructionists argue, though, that under theonomy, the authority of the state is severely limited to a point where only the judicial branch exists (e.g., a criminal does not have any fear that a police force will break into their house at night, since, under theonomy, there is no executive branch and therefore no police force).

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Prominent advocates of Christian reconstructionism have written that according to their understanding, God's law approves of the death penalty not only for murder, but also for propagators of all forms of idolatry, open homosexuals, adulterers, practitioners of witchcraft, blasphemers, and perhaps even recalcitrant youths (see the List of capital crimes in the Bible).

Conversely, Christian reconstructionism's founder, Rousas Rushdoony, wrote in The Institutes of Biblical Law (the founding document of reconstructionism) that Old Testament law should be applied to modern society, and he advocates the reinstatement of the Mosaic law's penal sanctions.Under such a system, the list of civil crimes which carried a death sentence would include murder, homosexuality, adultery, incest, lying about one's virginity, bestiality, witchcraft, idolatry or apostasy, public blasphemy, false prophesying, kidnapping, rape, and bearing false witness in a capital case.

It is difficult to assess the influence of Reconstructionist thought with any accuracy most leaders of the Religious Right are careful to distance themselves from it.

At the same time, it clearly holds some appeal for many of them.One undoubtedly spoke for others when he confessed, 'Though we hide their books under the bed, we read them just the same.'

In addition, several key leaders have acknowledged an intellectual debt to the theonomists. Jerry Falwell and D. James Kennedy have endorsed Reconstructionist books. Rushdoony has appeared on Kennedy's television program and the 700 Club several times.Pat Robertson makes frequent use of 'dominion' language; his book, The Secret Kingdom, has often been cited for its theonomy elements; and pluralists were made uncomfortable when, during his presidential campaign, he said he 'would only bring Christians and Jews into the government,' as well as when he later wrote, 'And Jay Grimstead, who leads the Coalition on Revival, which brings Reconstructionists together with more mainstream evangelicals, has said, 'I don't call myself ,' but 'A lot of us are coming to realize that the Bible is God's standard of morality … in all points of history … and for all societies, Christian and non-Christian alike… It so happens that Rushdoony, Bahnsen, and North understood that sooner.'

He added, 'There are a lot of us floating around in Christian leadership—James Kennedy is one of them—who don't go all the way with the theonomy thing, but who want to rebuild America based on the Bible.'

cont. @ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_reconstructionism

PROVE IT!Eh, -no Wally; -not stuck in the OT at all. Very much alive & well in some NT Christian churches yet today.Or don't you know about the "Christian Reconstructionist model" that Bob mentioned?

Christian reconstructionism

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_reconstructionism

<excerpts>

Christian reconstructionism is a fundamentalist Reformed theonomic movement that developed under the ideas of Rousas Rushdoony, Greg Bahnsen and Gary North; it has had an important influence on the Christian Right in the United States.

In keeping with the cultural mandate, reconstructionists advocate theonomy and the restoration of certain biblical laws said to have continuing applicability.

The movement declined in the 1990s and was declared dead in a 2008 Church History journal article, although Christian reconstructionist organizations such as the Chalcedon Foundation and American Vision are active today.

A Christian denomination that advocates the view of Christian reconstructionism is the Reformed Presbyterian Church in the United States.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Reconstructionist perspective

Theonomy

Christian reconstructionists advocate a theonomic government and libertarian economic principles.

They maintain a distinction of spheres of authority between family, church, and state.For example, the enforcement of moral sanctions under theonomy is carried out by the family and church government, and sanctions for moral offenses are outside the authority of civil government (which is limited to criminal matters, courts and national defense). ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Reconstructionists argue, though, that under theonomy, the authority of the state is severely limited to a point where only the judicial branch exists (e.g., a criminal does not have any fear that a police force will break into their house at night, since, under theonomy, there is no executive branch and therefore no police force).

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Prominent advocates of Christian reconstructionism have written that according to their understanding, God's law approves of the death penalty not only for murder, but also for propagators of all forms of idolatry, open homosexuals, adulterers, practitioners of witchcraft, blasphemers, and perhaps even recalcitrant youths (see the List of capital crimes in the Bible).

Conversely, Christian reconstructionism's founder, Rousas Rushdoony, wrote in The Institutes of Biblical Law (the founding document of reconstructionism) that Old Testament law should be applied to modern society, and he advocates the reinstatement of the Mosaic law's penal sanctions.Under such a system, the list of civil crimes which carried a death sentence would include murder, homosexuality, adultery, incest, lying about one's virginity, bestiality, witchcraft, idolatry or apostasy, public blasphemy, false prophesying, kidnapping, rape, and bearing false witness in a capital case.

It is difficult to assess the influence of Reconstructionist thought with any accuracy most leaders of the Religious Right are careful to distance themselves from it.

At the same time, it clearly holds some appeal for many of them.One undoubtedly spoke for others when he confessed, 'Though we hide their books under the bed, we read them just the same.'

In addition, several key leaders have acknowledged an intellectual debt to the theonomists. Jerry Falwell and D. James Kennedy have endorsed Reconstructionist books. Rushdoony has appeared on Kennedy's television program and the 700 Club several times.Pat Robertson makes frequent use of 'dominion' language; his book, The Secret Kingdom, has often been cited for its theonomy elements; and pluralists were made uncomfortable when, during his presidential campaign, he said he 'would only bring Christians and Jews into the government,' as well as when he later wrote, 'And Jay Grimstead, who leads the Coalition on Revival, which brings Reconstructionists together with more mainstream evangelicals, has said, 'I don't call myself ,' but 'A lot of us are coming to realize that the Bible is God's standard of morality … in all points of history … and for all societies, Christian and non-Christian alike… It so happens that Rushdoony, Bahnsen, and North understood that sooner.'

He added, 'There are a lot of us floating around in Christian leadership—James Kennedy is one of them—who don't go all the way with the theonomy thing, but who want to rebuild America based on the Bible.'

cont. @ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_reconstructionism

PROVE IT!

This wasn’t direct at me? Just asking since it’s responding directly to my own comment..

Post by wally on Mar 2, 2020 23:15:35 GMT -5

In different ways though Wally. I have two kids that have a wonderful life and are great kids. One would want to hope that this nutcase isn’t a parent or will ever become a parent..

Eh, -no Wally; -not stuck in the OT at all. Very much alive & well in some NT Christian churches yet today.Or don't you know about the "Christian Reconstructionist model" that Bob mentioned?

Christian reconstructionism

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_reconstructionism <excerpts>

Christian reconstructionism is a fundamentalist Reformed theonomic movement that developed under the ideas of Rousas Rushdoony, Greg Bahnsen and Gary North; it has had an important influence on the Christian Right in the United States.

In keeping with the cultural mandate, reconstructionists advocate theonomy and the restoration of certain biblical laws said to have continuing applicability.

The movement declined in the 1990s and was declared dead in a 2008 Church History journal article, although Christian reconstructionist organizations such as the Chalcedon Foundation and American Vision are active today.

A Christian denomination that advocates the view of Christian reconstructionism is the Reformed Presbyterian Church in the United States.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Reconstructionist perspectiveTheonomy

Christian reconstructionists advocate a theonomic government and libertarian economic principles.

They maintain a distinction of spheres of authority between family, church, and state.For example, the enforcement of moral sanctions under theonomy is carried out by the family and church government, and sanctions for moral offenses are outside the authority of civil government (which is limited to criminal matters, courts and national defense). ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Reconstructionists argue, though, that under theonomy, the authority of the state is severely limited to a point where only the judicial branch exists (e.g., a criminal does not have any fear that a police force will break into their house at night, since, under theonomy, there is no executive branch and therefore no police force).

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Prominent advocates of Christian reconstructionism have written that according to their understanding, God's law approves of the death penalty not only for murder, but also for propagators of all forms of idolatry, open homosexuals, adulterers, practitioners of witchcraft, blasphemers, and perhaps even recalcitrant youths (see the List of capital crimes in the Bible).

Conversely, Christian reconstructionism's founder, Rousas Rushdoony, wrote in The Institutes of Biblical Law (the founding document of reconstructionism) that Old Testament law should be applied to modern society, and he advocates the reinstatement of the Mosaic law's penal sanctions.

Under such a system, the list of civil crimes which carried a death sentence would include murder, homosexuality, adultery, incest, lying about one's virginity, bestiality, witchcraft, idolatry or apostasy, public blasphemy, false prophesying, kidnapping, rape, and bearing false witness in a capital case.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------It is difficult to assess the influence of Reconstructionist thought with any accuracy most leaders of the Religious Right are careful to distance themselves from it.

At the same time, it clearly holds some appeal for many of them.One undoubtedly spoke for others when he confessed, 'Though we hide their books under the bed, we read them just the same.'

In addition, several key leaders have acknowledged an intellectual debt to the theonomists. Jerry Falwell and D. James Kennedy have endorsed Reconstructionist books. Rushdoony has appeared on Kennedy's television program and the 700 Club several times.Pat Robertson makes frequent use of 'dominion' language; his book, The Secret Kingdom, has often been cited for its theonomy elements; and pluralists were made uncomfortable when, during his presidential campaign, he said he 'would only bring Christians and Jews into the government,' as well as when he later wrote, 'And Jay Grimstead, who leads the Coalition on Revival, which brings Reconstructionists together with more mainstream evangelicals, has said, 'I don't call myself ,' but 'A lot of us are coming to realize that the Bible is God's standard of morality … in all points of history … and for all societies, Christian and non-Christian alike… It so happens that Rushdoony, Bahnsen, and North understood that sooner.'

He added, 'There are a lot of us floating around in Christian leadership—James Kennedy is one of them—who don't go all the way with the theonomy thing, but who want to rebuild America based on the Bible.'

cont. @ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_reconstructionism

if they are spouting kill your rebellious kids thats OT plain and simple there are no orders to do so in the NT...so therefore your stuck in the OT....not all things transfer over from the OT to the NT...

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Post by BobWilliston on Mar 3, 2020 0:35:03 GMT -5

In different ways though Wally. I have two kids that have a wonderful life and are great kids. One would want to hope that this nutcase isn’t a parent or will ever become a parent..

Eh, -no Wally; -not stuck in the OT at all. Very much alive & well in some NT Christian churches yet today.Or don't you know about the "Christian Reconstructionist model" that Bob mentioned?

Christian reconstructionism

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_reconstructionism <excerpts>

Christian reconstructionism is a fundamentalist Reformed theonomic movement that developed under the ideas of Rousas Rushdoony, Greg Bahnsen and Gary North; it has had an important influence on the Christian Right in the United States.

In keeping with the cultural mandate, reconstructionists advocate theonomy and the restoration of certain biblical laws said to have continuing applicability.

The movement declined in the 1990s and was declared dead in a 2008 Church History journal article, although Christian reconstructionist organizations such as the Chalcedon Foundation and American Vision are active today.

A Christian denomination that advocates the view of Christian reconstructionism is the Reformed Presbyterian Church in the United States.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Reconstructionist perspectiveTheonomy

Christian reconstructionists advocate a theonomic government and libertarian economic principles.

They maintain a distinction of spheres of authority between family, church, and state.For example, the enforcement of moral sanctions under theonomy is carried out by the family and church government, and sanctions for moral offenses are outside the authority of civil government (which is limited to criminal matters, courts and national defense). ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Reconstructionists argue, though, that under theonomy, the authority of the state is severely limited to a point where only the judicial branch exists (e.g., a criminal does not have any fear that a police force will break into their house at night, since, under theonomy, there is no executive branch and therefore no police force).

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Prominent advocates of Christian reconstructionism have written that according to their understanding, God's law approves of the death penalty not only for murder, but also for propagators of all forms of idolatry, open homosexuals, adulterers, practitioners of witchcraft, blasphemers, and perhaps even recalcitrant youths (see the List of capital crimes in the Bible).

Conversely, Christian reconstructionism's founder, Rousas Rushdoony, wrote in The Institutes of Biblical Law (the founding document of reconstructionism) that Old Testament law should be applied to modern society, and he advocates the reinstatement of the Mosaic law's penal sanctions.

Under such a system, the list of civil crimes which carried a death sentence would include murder, homosexuality, adultery, incest, lying about one's virginity, bestiality, witchcraft, idolatry or apostasy, public blasphemy, false prophesying, kidnapping, rape, and bearing false witness in a capital case.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------It is difficult to assess the influence of Reconstructionist thought with any accuracy most leaders of the Religious Right are careful to distance themselves from it.

At the same time, it clearly holds some appeal for many of them.One undoubtedly spoke for others when he confessed, 'Though we hide their books under the bed, we read them just the same.'

In addition, several key leaders have acknowledged an intellectual debt to the theonomists. Jerry Falwell and D. James Kennedy have endorsed Reconstructionist books. Rushdoony has appeared on Kennedy's television program and the 700 Club several times.Pat Robertson makes frequent use of 'dominion' language; his book, The Secret Kingdom, has often been cited for its theonomy elements; and pluralists were made uncomfortable when, during his presidential campaign, he said he 'would only bring Christians and Jews into the government,' as well as when he later wrote, 'And Jay Grimstead, who leads the Coalition on Revival, which brings Reconstructionists together with more mainstream evangelicals, has said, 'I don't call myself ,' but 'A lot of us are coming to realize that the Bible is God's standard of morality … in all points of history … and for all societies, Christian and non-Christian alike… It so happens that Rushdoony, Bahnsen, and North understood that sooner.'

He added, 'There are a lot of us floating around in Christian leadership—James Kennedy is one of them—who don't go all the way with the theonomy thing, but who want to rebuild America based on the Bible.'

Post by ant_rotten on Mar 3, 2020 0:36:37 GMT -5

Eh, -no Wally; -not stuck in the OT at all. Very much alive & well in some NT Christian churches yet today.Or don't you know about the "Christian Reconstructionist model" that Bob mentioned?

Christian reconstructionism

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_reconstructionism <excerpts>

Christian reconstructionism is a fundamentalist Reformed theonomic movement that developed under the ideas of Rousas Rushdoony, Greg Bahnsen and Gary North; it has had an important influence on the Christian Right in the United States.

In keeping with the cultural mandate, reconstructionists advocate theonomy and the restoration of certain biblical laws said to have continuing applicability.

The movement declined in the 1990s and was declared dead in a 2008 Church History journal article, although Christian reconstructionist organizations such as the Chalcedon Foundation and American Vision are active today.

A Christian denomination that advocates the view of Christian reconstructionism is the Reformed Presbyterian Church in the United States.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Reconstructionist perspectiveTheonomy

Christian reconstructionists advocate a theonomic government and libertarian economic principles.

They maintain a distinction of spheres of authority between family, church, and state.For example, the enforcement of moral sanctions under theonomy is carried out by the family and church government, and sanctions for moral offenses are outside the authority of civil government (which is limited to criminal matters, courts and national defense). ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Reconstructionists argue, though, that under theonomy, the authority of the state is severely limited to a point where only the judicial branch exists (e.g., a criminal does not have any fear that a police force will break into their house at night, since, under theonomy, there is no executive branch and therefore no police force).

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Prominent advocates of Christian reconstructionism have written that according to their understanding, God's law approves of the death penalty not only for murder, but also for propagators of all forms of idolatry, open homosexuals, adulterers, practitioners of witchcraft, blasphemers, and perhaps even recalcitrant youths (see the List of capital crimes in the Bible).

Conversely, Christian reconstructionism's founder, Rousas Rushdoony, wrote in The Institutes of Biblical Law (the founding document of reconstructionism) that Old Testament law should be applied to modern society, and he advocates the reinstatement of the Mosaic law's penal sanctions.

Under such a system, the list of civil crimes which carried a death sentence would include murder, homosexuality, adultery, incest, lying about one's virginity, bestiality, witchcraft, idolatry or apostasy, public blasphemy, false prophesying, kidnapping, rape, and bearing false witness in a capital case.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------It is difficult to assess the influence of Reconstructionist thought with any accuracy most leaders of the Religious Right are careful to distance themselves from it.

At the same time, it clearly holds some appeal for many of them.One undoubtedly spoke for others when he confessed, 'Though we hide their books under the bed, we read them just the same.'

In addition, several key leaders have acknowledged an intellectual debt to the theonomists. Jerry Falwell and D. James Kennedy have endorsed Reconstructionist books. Rushdoony has appeared on Kennedy's television program and the 700 Club several times.Pat Robertson makes frequent use of 'dominion' language; his book, The Secret Kingdom, has often been cited for its theonomy elements; and pluralists were made uncomfortable when, during his presidential campaign, he said he 'would only bring Christians and Jews into the government,' as well as when he later wrote, 'And Jay Grimstead, who leads the Coalition on Revival, which brings Reconstructionists together with more mainstream evangelicals, has said, 'I don't call myself ,' but 'A lot of us are coming to realize that the Bible is God's standard of morality … in all points of history … and for all societies, Christian and non-Christian alike… It so happens that Rushdoony, Bahnsen, and North understood that sooner.'

He added, 'There are a lot of us floating around in Christian leadership—James Kennedy is one of them—who don't go all the way with the theonomy thing, but who want to rebuild America based on the Bible.'

cont. @ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_reconstructionism

if they are spouting kill your rebellious kids thats OT plain and simple there are no orders to do so in the NT...so therefore your stuck in the OT....not all things transfer over from the OT to the NT...

Post by wally on Mar 3, 2020 0:42:52 GMT -5

if they are spouting kill your rebellious kids thats OT plain and simple there are no orders to do so in the NT...so therefore your stuck in the OT....not all things transfer over from the OT to the NT...

But one would call that cherry picking Wally..

if the Lord is a cherry picker so be it....its his way or the highway anyways... I55

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Post by ant_rotten on Mar 3, 2020 0:56:11 GMT -5

The by the very nature of the lord, he can’t be the cherry picker. That’s where you, his beloved follower comes in..

hes the one that inspired the OT and the NT...if he brought over some of the OT law but not all of it...so be it....its his universe not mine or yours....thank God..

I was under the impression that Christians take the bible as a whole.. I guess you don’t relate to the more conservative and evangelical Christians who seek out literal and historical truths.. and what the bible affirms about these matters is to be taken as factually accurate. So you are indeed a cherry picker..

Post by BobWilliston on Mar 3, 2020 0:57:29 GMT -5

hes the one that inspired the OT and the NT...if he brought over some of the OT law but not all of it...so be it....its his universe not mine or yours....thank God..

I was under the impression that Christians take the bible as a whole.. I guess you don’t relate to the more conservative and evangelical Christians who seek out literal and historical truths.. and what the bible affirms about these matters is to be taken as factually accurate. So you are indeed a cherry picker..

Post by wally on Mar 3, 2020 1:05:05 GMT -5

hes the one that inspired the OT and the NT...if he brought over some of the OT law but not all of it...so be it....its his universe not mine or yours....thank God..

I was under the impression that Christians take the bible as a whole.. I guess you don’t relate to the more conservative and evangelical Christians who seek out literal and historical truths.. and what the bible affirms about these matters is to be taken as factually accurate. So you are indeed a cherry picker..

sure do, but as paul explained the OT covenant is over and now we are under the NT covenant which includes some of the OT law...i didn't write the NT so your cherry picking shot is bunk....nice try though..

Post by ant_rotten on Mar 3, 2020 1:12:59 GMT -5

I was under the impression that Christians take the bible as a whole.. I guess you don’t relate to the more conservative and evangelical Christians who seek out literal and historical truths.. and what the bible affirms about these matters is to be taken as factually accurate. So you are indeed a cherry picker..

sure do, but as paul explained the OT covenant is over and now we are under the NT covenant which includes some of the OT law...i didn't write the NT so your cherry picking shot is bunk....nice try though..

Over for who? The Christian? I’m sure the Jews will disagree but they must be in the wrong..

Post by wally on Mar 3, 2020 1:17:06 GMT -5

sure do, but as paul explained the OT covenant is over and now we are under the NT covenant which includes some of the OT law...i didn't write the NT so your cherry picking shot is bunk....nice try though..

Over for who? The Christian? I’m sure the Jews will disagree but they must be in the wrong..

for everyone...following the OT covenant to the letter will no longer put you in the position to be saved...Christ finished it....he even said it on the cross....

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Post by dmmichgood on Mar 3, 2020 2:55:59 GMT -5

Eh, -no Wally; -not stuck in the OT at all. Very much alive & well in some NT Christian churches yet today.Or don't you know about the "Christian Reconstructionist model" that Bob mentioned?

Christian reconstructionism

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_reconstructionism <excerpts>

Christian reconstructionism is a fundamentalist Reformed theonomic movement that developed under the ideas of Rousas Rushdoony, Greg Bahnsen and Gary North; it has had an important influence on the Christian Right in the United States.

In keeping with the cultural mandate, reconstructionists advocate theonomy and the restoration of certain biblical laws said to have continuing applicability.

The movement declined in the 1990s and was declared dead in a 2008 Church History journal article, although Christian reconstructionist organizations such as the Chalcedon Foundation and American Vision are active today.

A Christian denomination that advocates the view of Christian reconstructionism is the Reformed Presbyterian Church in the United States.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Reconstructionist perspectiveTheonomy

Christian reconstructionists advocate a theonomic government and libertarian economic principles.

They maintain a distinction of spheres of authority between family, church, and state.For example, the enforcement of moral sanctions under theonomy is carried out by the family and church government, and sanctions for moral offenses are outside the authority of civil government (which is limited to criminal matters, courts and national defense). ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Reconstructionists argue, though, that under theonomy, the authority of the state is severely limited to a point where only the judicial branch exists (e.g., a criminal does not have any fear that a police force will break into their house at night, since, under theonomy, there is no executive branch and therefore no police force).

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Prominent advocates of Christian reconstructionism have written that according to their understanding, God's law approves of the death penalty not only for murder, but also for propagators of all forms of idolatry, open homosexuals, adulterers, practitioners of witchcraft, blasphemers, and perhaps even recalcitrant youths (see the List of capital crimes in the Bible).

Conversely, Christian reconstructionism's founder, Rousas Rushdoony, wrote in The Institutes of Biblical Law (the founding document of reconstructionism) that Old Testament law should be applied to modern society, and he advocates the reinstatement of the Mosaic law's penal sanctions.

Under such a system, the list of civil crimes which carried a death sentence would include murder, homosexuality, adultery, incest, lying about one's virginity, bestiality, witchcraft, idolatry or apostasy, public blasphemy, false prophesying, kidnapping, rape, and bearing false witness in a capital case.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------It is difficult to assess the influence of Reconstructionist thought with any accuracy most leaders of the Religious Right are careful to distance themselves from it.

At the same time, it clearly holds some appeal for many of them.One undoubtedly spoke for others when he confessed, 'Though we hide their books under the bed, we read them just the same.'

In addition, several key leaders have acknowledged an intellectual debt to the theonomists. Jerry Falwell and D. James Kennedy have endorsed Reconstructionist books. Rushdoony has appeared on Kennedy's television program and the 700 Club several times.Pat Robertson makes frequent use of 'dominion' language; his book, The Secret Kingdom, has often been cited for its theonomy elements; and pluralists were made uncomfortable when, during his presidential campaign, he said he 'would only bring Christians and Jews into the government,' as well as when he later wrote, 'And Jay Grimstead, who leads the Coalition on Revival, which brings Reconstructionists together with more mainstream evangelicals, has said, 'I don't call myself ,' but 'A lot of us are coming to realize that the Bible is God's standard of morality … in all points of history … and for all societies, Christian and non-Christian alike… It so happens that Rushdoony, Bahnsen, and North understood that sooner.'

He added, 'There are a lot of us floating around in Christian leadership—James Kennedy is one of them—who don't go all the way with the theonomy thing, but who want to rebuild America based on the Bible.'

cont. @ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_reconstructionism

if they are spouting kill your rebellious kids thats OT plain and simple there are no orders to do so in the NT...so therefore your stuck in the OT....not all things transfer over from the OT to the NT...

You didn't read my post did you, Wally?You said the preacher in the video was "stuck in the OT."

I was showing you that he wasn't alone by any means.There are many Christians today who still believe the same.

Post by wally on Mar 3, 2020 4:10:35 GMT -5

if they are spouting kill your rebellious kids thats OT plain and simple there are no orders to do so in the NT...so therefore your stuck in the OT....not all things transfer over from the OT to the NT...

You didn't read my post did you, Wally?You said the preacher in the video was "stuck in the OT."

I was showing you that he wasn't alone by any means.There are many Christians today who still believe the same.

you said no he wasn't stuck in the OT.... saying others are doing the same doesn't refute what i said it just confirms that others are also stuck in the OT...nice try though

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