Formula question.

I really do not want to get into another breastfeeding debate. If that happens, I will just delete this thread. I just want to hear what other people think about something that came up. One of my good friends insists that I am poisoning my child with formula (I will not be speaking with her anymore). She said that powdered infant formula contains 11% unknown substance. How could that possibly be true. Has anyone else ever heard this? I have searched the internet for the last 2 hours trying to find anything about this. Again this is not a debate about which is better, I am just asking what people have heard about this. Personally I think I cannot be true. No consumable thing, let alone infant formula would be able to do that right?

I really do not want to get into another breastfeeding debate. If that happens, I will just delete this thread. I just want to hear what other people think about something that came up. One of my good friends insists that I am poisoning my child with formula (I will not be speaking with her anymore). She said that powdered infant formula contains 11% unknown substance. How could that possibly be true. Has anyone else ever heard this? I have searched the internet for the last 2 hours trying to find anything about this. Again this is not a debate about which is better, I am just asking what people have heard about this. Personally I think I cannot be true. No consumable thing, let alone infant formula would be able to do that right?

I'm very pro breastfeeding BUT I have NEVER heard that and would almost automatically call Bullcrap on what your friend said. Yes, breastmilk and formula are made of different things but I doubt any part of formula is made of "unknown" ingredients. Tell her she's full of crap and its lies like she is spreading that start the whole BF/FF war between moms!

I'm very pro breastfeeding BUT I have NEVER heard that and would almost automatically call Bullcrap on what your friend said. Yes, breastmilk and formula are made of different things but I doubt any part of formula is made of "unknown" ingredients. Tell her she's full of crap and its lies like she is spreading that start the whole BF/FF war between moms!

Yes, I believe my actual words were "that is absolute bulls*** if I have ever heard it." It's hard enough when ladies have to give up breastfeeding for one reason or another, but to be told crap like that would make any mom cringe and feel like crap even worse about it. Your totally right though, it just fuels the fire.

Yes, I believe my actual words were "that is absolute bulls*** if I have ever heard it." It's hard enough when ladies have to give up breastfeeding for one reason or another, but to be told crap like that would make any mom cringe and feel like crap even worse about it. Your totally right though, it just fuels the fire.

Some people are know it all biotchs! I'm the only of my friends that BFs and I would never say anything bad about them FFing bc they are still caring for their babies and that's the most important thing!

Some people are know it all biotchs! I'm the only of my friends that BFs and I would never say anything bad about them FFing bc they are still caring for their babies and that's the most important thing!

I called bull**** too when I read your post and out of outrage at that woman googled (which we should never do, right?) and I did find this... But I don't know. I'm a bfer too so I don't have a can of formula to check out- http://www.babyloveproducts.com/babyformula.html

I called bull**** too when I read your post and out of outrage at that woman googled (which we should never do, right?) and I did find this... But I don't know. I'm a bfer too so I don't have a can of formula to check out- http://www.babyloveproducts.com/babyformula.html

Okay, so I went thought that list, and compared it with a can of nestle good start formula that I have. The only thing on that list that was in there was the calcium chloride. So I googled that. The site you provided me (which was anti-formula, even said at the bottom) said it was used in antifreeze, cement, fire extinguishers, glue, and used to preserve wood. Sounds like some scary stuff huh? But turns out it is something we have probably all consumed today. Here is an excerpt from the article :

As a firming agent, calcium chloride is used in canned vegetables, in firming soybean curds into tofu and in producing a caviar substitute from vegetable or fruit juices.[10] It is commonly used as an electrolyte in sports drinks and other beverages, including bottled water. The extremely salty taste of calcium chloride is used to flavor pickles while not increasing the food's sodium content. Calcium chloride's freezing-point depression properties are used to slow the freezing of the caramel in caramel-filled chocolate bars.

In brewing beer, calcium chloride is sometimes used to correct mineral deficiencies in the brewing water. It affects flavor and chemical reactions during the brewing process, and can also affect yeast function during fermentation. Calcium chloride is sometimes added to processed milk to restore the natural balance between calcium and protein in casein for the purposes of making cheeses, such as brie, Pélardon and Stilton. Also, it is frequently added to sliced apples to maintain texture.

It sounds a lot scarier when only half of the story is told I guess. But thank you for providing that article.

Okay, so I went thought that list, and compared it with a can of nestle good start formula that I have. The only thing on that list that was in there was the calcium chloride. So I googled that. The site you provided me (which was anti-formula, even said at the bottom) said it was used in antifreeze, cement, fire extinguishers, glue, and used to preserve wood. Sounds like some scary stuff huh? But turns out it is something we have probably all consumed today. Here is an excerpt from the article :

As a firming agent, calcium chloride is used in canned vegetables, in firming soybean curds into tofu and in producing a caviar substitute from vegetable or fruit juices.[10] It is commonly used as an electrolyte in sports drinks and other beverages, including bottled water. The extremely salty taste of calcium chloride is used to flavor pickles while not increasing the food's sodium content. Calcium chloride's freezing-point depression properties are used to slow the freezing of the caramel in caramel-filled chocolate bars.

In brewing beer, calcium chloride is sometimes used to correct mineral deficiencies in the brewing water. It affects flavor and chemical reactions during the brewing process, and can also affect yeast function during fermentation. Calcium chloride is sometimes added to processed milk to restore the natural balance between calcium and protein in casein for the purposes of making cheeses, such as brie, Pélardon and Stilton. Also, it is frequently added to sliced apples to maintain texture.

It sounds a lot scarier when only half of the story is told I guess. But thank you for providing that article.

Check the FDA for manufacturing process. The FDA allows x amount of bugs parts etc in all our processed foods. So she's not totally off. Powder formula is not sterile it can contain the croncharecter sazakki (sp?) bacteria. You can check the CDC for that information and the can clearly states it's not sterile. Mead Johnson is currently being sued by two parents because their children died from this bacteria, one was 6 months old the other I can't remember. I would search the FDA, CDC and contact the formula manufacture.

Check the FDA for manufacturing process. The FDA allows x amount of bugs parts etc in all our processed foods. So she's not totally off. Powder formula is not sterile it can contain the croncharecter sazakki (sp?) bacteria. You can check the CDC for that information and the can clearly states it's not sterile. Mead Johnson is currently being sued by two parents because their children died from this bacteria, one was 6 months old the other I can't remember. I would search the FDA, CDC and contact the formula manufacture.

Funny I was just at my doctor's (dermatologist) today and when I told him I'm still breastfeeding he was amazed. It is a very recent thing, this push for breastfeeding. It was not so popular long ago and formula was the big thing. Most people brought up in the 70s and 80s were given formula at one point or another. Many of these people are Olympians, doctors, lawyers, and other highly intelligent, healthy, and very successful people. I say be educated, not paranoid. People take things way too far. Do what's best for you and your family. That is all :)

Funny I was just at my doctor's (dermatologist) today and when I told him I'm still breastfeeding he was amazed. It is a very recent thing, this push for breastfeeding. It was not so popular long ago and formula was the big thing. Most people brought up in the 70s and 80s were given formula at one point or another. Many of these people are Olympians, doctors, lawyers, and other highly intelligent, healthy, and very successful people. I say be educated, not paranoid. People take things way too far. Do what's best for you and your family. That is all :)

if you read into those stores you were talking about the cases were thrown out because the autopsy stated the died from a bacteria and it was most likely from making the formula in dirt y bottle, unwashed hands ect. hey tested the batch from the batch number at the plant it came from and found no traces of the bacteria. your so anti formula lol.

if you read into those stores you were talking about the cases were thrown out because the autopsy stated the died from a bacteria and it was most likely from making the formula in dirt y bottle, unwashed hands ect. hey tested the batch from the batch number at the plant it came from and found no traces of the bacteria. your so anti formula lol.

once again ill say my job makes me work closely with the c.d.c and f.d.a and on our fda list of followed company's or manufactures formula company's have to obtain certain standards and follow procedures. this meaning brands like enfamil gerber similac..but.... store brand formula is not followed by the f.d.a because he company that makes them ie target walmart, they are not specialized in infant nutrition. yes there is band stuff in everything and everywhere.. but it seems like all you want to do it tell ppl they are wrong and start pulling up all these one sided facts and websites. :/ not trying to be an ass but is a little irritating. btw look up how much radiation exposer you allowing you self and the ppl around you to take in from your phone...just saying...

once again ill say my job makes me work closely with the c.d.c and f.d.a and on our fda list of followed company's or manufactures formula company's have to obtain certain standards and follow procedures. this meaning brands like enfamil gerber similac..but.... store brand formula is not followed by the f.d.a because he company that makes them ie target walmart, they are not specialized in infant nutrition. yes there is band stuff in everything and everywhere.. but it seems like all you want to do it tell ppl they are wrong and start pulling up all these one sided facts and websites. :/ not trying to be an ass but is a little irritating. btw look up how much radiation exposer you allowing you self and the ppl around you to take in from your phone...just saying...

The CDC clearly provides information on this bacteria and formula feeding. It's not like I made this stuff up out of no where. Do I blame the formula maker no, because it clearly states on the can it is not sterile. If it's not sterile it's contaminated with something. With anything you eat or drink made in a factory, eat at your own risk.

The CDC clearly provides information on this bacteria and formula feeding. It's not like I made this stuff up out of no where. Do I blame the formula maker no, because it clearly states on the can it is not sterile. If it's not sterile it's contaminated with something. With anything you eat or drink made in a factory, eat at your own risk.

Then you know formula is not regulated. New and improved formula does not need to be tested and cleared with the FDA. The formula manufacturers only need to meet nutritional guidelines and good manufacturing practices. formula is a milk substitute to help babies thrive if they can't be breastfeed. I'm not pulling this from some stupid mommy blog. I always check facts with the horse itself including the formula manufacturer if I can't find my answer.

Then you know formula is not regulated. New and improved formula does not need to be tested and cleared with the FDA. The formula manufacturers only need to meet nutritional guidelines and good manufacturing practices. formula is a milk substitute to help babies thrive if they can't be breastfeed. I'm not pulling this from some stupid mommy blog. I always check facts with the horse itself including the formula manufacturer if I can't find my answer.

So I ended up sitting down and googling everything in the baby formula. Even though it all had scary sounding names, there is nothing alarming. Of course things there are ingredients that are shared with other, not so appetizing things like glue, but they are all edible food grade items with their own benifit. As for being sterile. No it isn't. Neither is breastmilk (http://www.realmilk.com/mothers-milk-sterile.html) and neither are your nipples. Neither is your babies finger and toys that they suck on all day. But who cares. In a normal, healthy infant bacteria is needed to establish gut flora and boost the immune system. The WHO even states that when prepared correctly, infant fromula is a suitable susbstitute for breastmilk.

So I ended up sitting down and googling everything in the baby formula. Even though it all had scary sounding names, there is nothing alarming. Of course things there are ingredients that are shared with other, not so appetizing things like glue, but they are all edible food grade items with their own benifit. As for being sterile. No it isn't. Neither is breastmilk (http://www.realmilk.com/mothers-milk-sterile.html) and neither are your nipples. Neither is your babies finger and toys that they suck on all day. But who cares. In a normal, healthy infant bacteria is needed to establish gut flora and boost the immune system. The WHO even states that when prepared correctly, infant fromula is a suitable susbstitute for breastmilk.

little bubs ill say it one more time...my job is to work with the fda...I can tell you 100% hat big brand formula is fda regulated. and ya there are probability of bacteria that's why it says on the can improper preparation of formula can cause sickness or death...any ways im not going to fight with you because in sure you'll have another smarmy foment trying to make sure that your correct, so im going to go read another thread and find your coment wereand your telling the person they are wrong

little bubs ill say it one more time...my job is to work with the fda...I can tell you 100% hat big brand formula is fda regulated. and ya there are probability of bacteria that's why it says on the can improper preparation of formula can cause sickness or death...any ways im not going to fight with you because in sure you'll have another smarmy foment trying to make sure that your correct, so im going to go read another thread and find your coment wereand your telling the person they are wrong

I bf, and if I ate unhealthy foods full of chemicals all day my LO would be getting that. I think since a lot of us were given formula at birth we can agree that this woman telling you your poisoning your kid was inappropriate and the census seems to be there aren't Deadly chemicals in formula

I bf, and if I ate unhealthy foods full of chemicals all day my LO would be getting that. I think since a lot of us were given formula at birth we can agree that this woman telling you your poisoning your kid was inappropriate and the census seems to be there aren't Deadly chemicals in formula

Thank you... This is dangerously close to the argument I DID NOT want to have. Your so smart miairi :). It is so frustrating when people assert themselves as the end all in knowledge even though you can absolutely prove them wrong time and time again.

Thank you... This is dangerously close to the argument I DID NOT want to have. Your so smart miairi :). It is so frustrating when people assert themselves as the end all in knowledge even though you can absolutely prove them wrong time and time again.

haha. she just frustrated me because for my job im certified by the f.d.a and c.d.c to carry out my everyday actions at work. I have to know alot and I have alot of tools and books from the fda. anything that is ingested or topical applied HAS to follow all fda regulations and standards. formula being one of them

haha. she just frustrated me because for my job im certified by the f.d.a and c.d.c to carry out my everyday actions at work. I have to know alot and I have alot of tools and books from the fda. anything that is ingested or topical applied HAS to follow all fda regulations and standards. formula being one of them

I completely agree with you. There is no way an infant formula would go unregulated. I think that is just a "one size fits all" argument that anti formula people spit out. They say we have closed minds, but if they would just do their research... And not bias it it their pre existing beliefs, maybe they would see.

I completely agree with you. There is no way an infant formula would go unregulated. I think that is just a "one size fits all" argument that anti formula people spit out. They say we have closed minds, but if they would just do their research... And not bias it it their pre existing beliefs, maybe they would see.

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