im on my third batch , the last two i did were drinkable and all but nothing great . I got a S.A. Boston Lager Clone off of beertools.com , its in its second week in the secondary now , i just took some out for a taste with a turkey baster , its not even carbonated yet and tastes EXACTLY like the Boston lager , i was and still em very surprised considering my last two brews were mediocre at best. if any of you are interested in the ingredients i used here it is ...