Mett is leaps and bounds better than he was last year. Cam Cameron has really helped him. I'm going to wait and see what happens once he runs through the SEC gauntlet but the returns so far are favorable

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Surprised at Mettenberger too, but his size difference from Murray is apparently a big deal. He's got four inches (6'5") and forty pounds (250) on Murray according to Phil Steele's preseason mag. I like Murray, but I guess I'm less surprised than I should be. It helps that his skill players are out of this world talented. LSU has some decent skill players, but I'd assume at least 9/10 people familiar with CFB would take a healthy UGA group of backs and receivers over LSU's.

Mettenberger has the bigger arm from what I've seen, it's just less accurate. Murray's also been saddled with the fact that he hasn't beat anybody despite numerous chances to do so, at least up until they hung a huge number on South Carolina three weeks ago. Murray should get another shot in the spotlight in the SECCG, so we'll see what happens after that.

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Hikohadon wrote:See, now that Peeks and I have made amends, our brainwaves are back on the same frequency, as I came here to start just this thread.

The way I see it, we are likely not gonna be in the Teddy B Sweepstakes, so we must determine which QB we should throw our wavering support behind out of:

HundleyMariotaManzielBoydMurray?McCarron?

Who am I missing?

Fales is another name. Threw some gorgeous balls in the Minnesota game that I watched. There's a chance that Cody Fajardo (Nevada) and Chuckie Keeton (Utah St) come out, not that I expect Fajardo to be the next Kaepernick, though he's reportedly a better passer in college than Kaep was. Keeton probably doesn't have the arm, but he's plenty athletic.

Derek Carr from Fresno. Keith Price at Washington may open up some eyes this year. Struggled last year, but Washington looks great so far this season. If Bryce Petty comes out from Baylor, he may get some pub, especially if Baylor keeps hanging ridiculous numbers.

Outside of your list, I don't think any of these guys are the impact QB the Browns desperately need, but it's a very interesting QB class from top to bottom. One of these guys may be a mid-round diamond in the rough. Plenty of needs for the Browns, but I wouldn't be opposed to taking a QB in the 1st and later in the draft to see what happens.

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I'm certain there are a lot of later round developmental prospects, and I'm all for them taking one of those too, but personally I'm focusing on the guys that might legitimately go 1st round, since I think the Browns (rightly) will take one with their first pick, might even trade up to get him.

Carr interests me, because I imagine there's a possibility he could be undervalued due his bust brother.* Physical resemblance, same school, same position. People are subconsciously stupid about that kind of stuff.

On a side note, Bridgewater, Hundley, Marriota, Johnny Fuckstick, and Braxton were all in the same high school class. I can't remember a single better QB year in terms of high school to NCAA success. Granted my memory is short in terms of these things.

After that I think Boyd, Mariotta and Hundley are all the same guy in terms of having a shot to be a very good QB in today's NFL where you either need to have spread ability or be a 10 year vet with a track record to play well.

Met is Weedon with a porn stache. With Hoyer looking like a keeper as a backup him, Carr, McCarton etc have no point as our Cousins pick.

So there's the top 4 and then for me it's a matter of ABM.(Anyone Butt Manziel).

skatingtripods wrote:Fales is another name. Threw some gorgeous balls in the Minnesota game that I watched.

This is a guy I am convinced you will see shoot up the draft board when the college season is over and the so-called experts have some time to watch San Jose State games. The big story about him is that he was at some sort of QB camp in Eugene with Manziel , Bridgewater, and some other top QB prospects and mopped the floor with them in a skills competition. His knock is his physical tools, and he isn't one of those flashy zone option QBs that's all the rage. Not sure he will sneak into first round, but I wouldnt be shocked if he did.

You want the quarterback on the 14th ranked team in the final AP poll of the season...pre-bowl. Not coaches poll, not BCS ranking but the AP poll. The quarterback of the 14th ranked team. If you think about it for a few seconds it will make sense...maybe a few minutes for some.

There's NFW even Mile Lombardi going Buffalo Bob in his dungeon dancing in the mirror getting off telling himself how brilliant he is while the FBI circles his house outside passes on one of the top 4 legit brand name duel threats. I don't put Manziel past him but they aren't putting the rebuild keys to the kingdom in anyone but the top few guys hands.

Assuming we don't get the #1 over all and Bridgewater. I'm still of the mind frame that you take the best player available regardless of position, and if Clowney is there when our pick comes up you have to take him (or maybe even package our first with a couple of those 3s we have stocked up to move up and grab him.) Then we use that second first round pick for a guy like Fales, or maybe a Garoppolo.

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jb wrote:There's NFW even Mile Lombardi going Buffalo Bob in his dungeon dancing in the mirror getting off telling himself how brilliant he is while the FBI circles his house outside passes on one of the top 4 legit brand name duel threats. I don't put Manziel past him but they aren't putting the rebuild keys to the kingdom in anyone but the top few guys hands.

You'll see Hoyer start before that.

Depending on how things shake out, I could imagine them going the Dalton Route, too, with someone like McCarron in the 2nd round. I can no longer support it after learning of that tattoo, but I could still see it.

But at that point, we've pretty much covered all the options, no?

1st Rd QB = automatic holds the keys guy2nd Rd QB = at the very top of the round, maybe also automatic holds the keys guy3rd+ Rd QB = no one drafts one with the intention of him being automatic holds the keys guy, except, well, SHUT UPSome vet/FA patchjob = holdover 'til holds the keys guy arrives

jb wrote:There's NFW even Mile Lombardi going Buffalo Bob in his dungeon dancing in the mirror getting off telling himself how brilliant he is while the FBI circles his house outside passes on one of the top 4 legit brand name duel threats. I don't put Manziel past him but they aren't putting the rebuild keys to the kingdom in anyone but the top few guys hands.

You'll see Hoyer start before that.

Depending on how things shake out, I could imagine them going the Dalton Route, too, with someone like McCarron in the 2nd round. I can no longer support it after learning of that tattoo, but I could still see it.

But at that point, we've pretty much covered all the options, no?

1st Rd QB = automatic holds the keys guy2nd Rd QB = at the very top of the round, maybe also automatic holds the keys guy3rd+ Rd QB = no one drafts one with the intention of him being automatic holds the keys guy, except, well, SHUT UPSome vet/FA patchjob = holdover 'til holds the keys guy arrives

If there isn't a QB drafted in round one I'm going Oedipus (minus the whole sleeping with Mom thing).

So just stop.

I'm all for them taking a 2nd QB prospect mid round because when the starter gets blindsided and hurt n the drop back offense we'll need 2 good backups.

jb wrote:If there isn't a QB drafted in round one I'm going Oedipus (minus the whole sleeping with Mom thing).

Yeah, I remember when Triv did that after we took Joe Thomas instead of Brady Quinn. : )

Unless the draft REALLY changes with UG staying in this is my take.

Don't be getting a Chrysler 300 and telling me Beamer, Benz or Bentley.

Ass-u-me-in the form holds thru season, declaration and workouts, If we don't end up with one of Teddy, Taj, Marcus or Hundley (for Eye) the whole FO should eat dead shad and jump off the I 480 bridge.

I find it hard to believe they don't understand they are NOT getting Bridgewater.

Jacksonville just too much of a mess, and Oakland is pretty darn bad.

Conjecture on my part to think they really like another one of these QB's, and feel they can get any pick from 3 down to get this player if he merits going that high. But this is what I think.

And in no way do I think they are gonna "swing back around" and grab their QB in the 2nd or 3rd. Hell, QB's are worth so much more than any player - are being overdrafted the last couple years....if you think you got a guy that can captain the franchise for 10 years you take him off the board when they call your name - and you aren't stupid in doing so.

Only 4 of the last 10 Super Bowls have been won by a team that drafted what they determined was a "franchise quarterback". 5 if you consider Aaron "sliding down the draft board" Rodgers to be someone the Packers thought was their "franchise quarterback".

jfiling wrote:Only 4 of the last 10 Super Bowls have been won by a team that drafted what they determined was a "franchise quarterback". 5 if you consider Aaron "sliding down the draft board" Rodgers to be someone the Packers thought was their "franchise quarterback".

Not sure I agree with your math there. I count 7. Rogers was a first round draft pick so I see no reason not to include him. 2 of the other 3 is Tom Brady. If you look up "anomaly" in Websters there is a picture of Tom Brady. The last one was Tampa 10 years ago. Brad Johnson I think?

jfiling wrote:Only 4 of the last 10 Super Bowls have been won by a team that drafted what they determined was a "franchise quarterback". 5 if you consider Aaron "sliding down the draft board" Rodgers to be someone the Packers thought was their "franchise quarterback".

Since they drafted him in the 1st round, yes, I think it's safe to say they thought he would one day replace Favre as their franchise QB.

And the number is 7 of 10, with the 2 exceptions being New Orleans (Brees in FA) and New England (Brady was a 6th round pick and therefore not drafted with the concept of "franchise" in mind).

jfiling wrote:Only 4 of the last 10 Super Bowls have been won by a team that drafted what they determined was a "franchise quarterback". 5 if you consider Aaron "sliding down the draft board" Rodgers to be someone the Packers thought was their "franchise quarterback".

Since they drafted him in the 1st round, yes, I think it's safe to say they thought he would one day replace Favre as their franchise QB.

And the number is 7 of 10, with the 2 exceptions being New Orleans (Brees in FA) and New England (Brady was a 6th round pick and therefore not drafted with the concept of "franchise" in mind).

But stating "Hey, the Pats got Brady in the 6th round" isn't a valid argument, since that's nothing but pure luck. Someone should list all the 6th round QB's picked since Brady - I doubt many of them even started and NFL game.

The Lombardi is littered with 1st round/high 2nd round QB's.

Yes, it's not the only answer. But it's the safest answer, for sure. And this FO needs safe answers.

But stating "Hey, the Pats got Brady in the 6th round" isn't a valid argument, since that's nothing but pure luck. Someone should list all the 6th round QB's picked since Brady - I doubt many of them even started and NFL game.

The Lombardi is littered with 1st round/high 2nd round QB's.

Yes, it's not the only answer. But it's the safest answer, for sure. And this FO needs safe answers.

Yeah ,that's what I mean. But people like to make the "last ten years" argument and somehow come up with only 4 Super Bowl champs drafted as franchise QBs. And 2 of those last 10 are Brady, as if he's somehow representative and meaningful instead of history's biggest anomaly.

But in 2 years, he will have dropped off the arbitrary "last 10 SB" list, so he won't be included in stupid arguments that Browns fans make while they try to convince themselves that our franchise QB is out there just waiting for Lombardi to select him in the 3 rd round.