ciberido:Panty Sniffer: Chris Ween: God I loved the tshirts in China. It was all the rage to have English writing on your shirt. Coca-cola, Nike, whatever. However, the cheaper ones didn't have rights and didn't really care. So they'd put Cow and Grocery Store on the shirts and sell it to the hip kids.

Yes, that was one of my delights while living in China. Kids wold wear the goofiest shirts, someone of them really vulgar and offensive, if they had English on them. This even happened in HK where English is an official language.

As well as Korea, Mongolia, anywhere in Asia, really. And I would bet it happens in many other non-English speaking countries as well.

I was in Bangkok a couple of years ago on business, staying at a ultra high-end hotel, and at breakfast I noticed one of the other customers--an obviously wealthy middle-aged Japanese businessman staying there with his middle-aged Japanese wife--who was wearing a t-shirt with a picture of a 9 mm Glock on it, and the words (in English): "GLOCK: When you absolutely, positively need to shoot some coont in the face." I doubt he had much of a clue about what it actually said.

Chris Ween:Tomahawk513: Chris Ween: Bit'O'Gristle: Are people in the Ukraine allowed to own weapons? i have not seen any yet.

/Anyone?

As an aside, all those people who talk about the 2d amendment not being a deterrent to tyranny, think of these protest where they don't have guns and still mange to get the attention of the government.

I hope they're not armed. If they are, the body count would be a lot higher than 9, and it'd be very, very one-sided.

So, defending with rocks is better than defending with guns? I beg to differ. What did we learn last week when Venezuela went up in flames?

Yes. Because throwing rocks and lighting fires usually doesn't get you shot. It might get you beat, but probably not shot.

Did anyone else hear noises that sounded like artillery rounds? Or are they still launching fireworks?

/forced myself to close live feed//zero productivity day

/looks like they are just tearing shiat up and burning it. Cant see any buildings on fire as of yet. I would imagine if they started burning buildings, the military would move in and take action to save the lives of people inside.

Ecobuckeye:Tenatra: Does anyone know where they are fighting right now? I looked up a webcam feed of Kiev and Independence Square appears to just be filled with workers cleaning up debris

http://en.glaz.tv/online-webcams/kiev-ploschad-nezavisimosti

This confuses me. Explanation?

It is confusing the hell out of me as well - news reports throughout late Tuesday show the conflict is at Independence Square. According to the live feeds we are getting the protestors are still active on the streets. According to this cam of Independence Square it looks quiet.

Chris Ween:Tomahawk513: Chris Ween: Bit'O'Gristle: Are people in the Ukraine allowed to own weapons? i have not seen any yet.

/Anyone?

As an aside, all those people who talk about the 2d amendment not being a deterrent to tyranny, think of these protest where they don't have guns and still mange to get the attention of the government.

I hope they're not armed. If they are, the body count would be a lot higher than 9, and it'd be very, very one-sided.

So, defending with rocks is better than defending with guns? I beg to differ. What did we learn last week when Venezuela went up in flames?

The government is showing remarkable restraint. If they use guns, the government is much less inclined to continue showing restraint and will use guns back. Then it devolves into guerrilla warfare. Think Libya without the benefit of Western air power because the Russians would go all NIMBY about it.

Chris Ween:Bit'O'Gristle: Are people in the Ukraine allowed to own weapons? i have not seen any yet.

/Anyone?

As an aside, all those people who talk about the 2d amendment not being a deterrent to tyranny, think of these protest where they don't have guns and still mange to get the attention of the government.

What the fark are you talking about? Between one and three police officers died from gunshots wounds in today's protests (number differs by source, most saying two).

Did anyone else hear noises that sounded like artillery rounds? Or are they still launching fireworks?

/forced myself to close live feed//zero productivity day

/looks like they are just tearing shiat up and burning it. Cant see any buildings on fire as of yet. I would imagine if they started burning buildings, the military would move in and take action to save the lives of people inside.

That's what I was thinking. Just looked like random pieces of wood, a few pallets, etc.

Tenatra:Ecobuckeye: Tenatra: Does anyone know where they are fighting right now? I looked up a webcam feed of Kiev and Independence Square appears to just be filled with workers cleaning up debris

http://en.glaz.tv/online-webcams/kiev-ploschad-nezavisimosti

This confuses me. Explanation?

It is confusing the hell out of me as well - news reports throughout late Tuesday show the conflict is at Independence Square. According to the live feeds we are getting the protestors are still active on the streets. According to this cam of Independence Square it looks quiet.

Police broke through a few of the barricades, announced that women and children need to clear out. Probably gonna go into the actual square within a few hours.

rpl:Tenatra: Ecobuckeye: Tenatra: Does anyone know where they are fighting right now? I looked up a webcam feed of Kiev and Independence Square appears to just be filled with workers cleaning up debris

http://en.glaz.tv/online-webcams/kiev-ploschad-nezavisimosti

This confuses me. Explanation?

It is confusing the hell out of me as well - news reports throughout late Tuesday show the conflict is at Independence Square. According to the live feeds we are getting the protestors are still active on the streets. According to this cam of Independence Square it looks quiet.

Police broke through a few of the barricades, announced that women and children need to clear out. Probably gonna go into the actual square within a few hours.

cgraves67:Chris Ween: Tomahawk513: Chris Ween: Bit'O'Gristle: Are people in the Ukraine allowed to own weapons? i have not seen any yet.

/Anyone?

As an aside, all those people who talk about the 2d amendment not being a deterrent to tyranny, think of these protest where they don't have guns and still mange to get the attention of the government.

I hope they're not armed. If they are, the body count would be a lot higher than 9, and it'd be very, very one-sided.

So, defending with rocks is better than defending with guns? I beg to differ. What did we learn last week when Venezuela went up in flames?

The government is showing remarkable restraint. If they use guns, the government is much less inclined to continue showing restraint and will use guns back. Then it devolves into guerrilla warfare. Think Libya without the benefit of Western air power because the Russians would go all NIMBY about it.

Tenatra:Ecobuckeye: Tenatra: Does anyone know where they are fighting right now? I looked up a webcam feed of Kiev and Independence Square appears to just be filled with workers cleaning up debris

http://en.glaz.tv/online-webcams/kiev-ploschad-nezavisimosti

This confuses me. Explanation?

It is confusing the hell out of me as well - news reports throughout late Tuesday show the conflict is at Independence Square. According to the live feeds we are getting the protestors are still active on the streets. According to this cam of Independence Square it looks quiet.

If you follow the link on the image itself, http://www.ukrstream.tv/, it shows both that video of cleanup operations and the current scene we're expecting. The cleanup appears to be at European Square, which is 700 meters northeast of Independence Square according to google maps. Not knowing a thing about Kiev geography, I'm guessing these are both live, but in two different places.

mbillips:rkiller1: I mean the lasers are cool and all, but what are the protesters' goals? Anyone know what they want? Freedom? Economic redistribution? Cake?

Snap elections, I think, and the resignation of the government and President. They're due for national elections next year, but they're so het up about the government's stampede toward the Russians and away from the EU that they don't want to wait. The current president got 48 percent of the vote, so it's not like he has a mandate to do all the radical economic and political restructuring he's been up to (basically, dismantling the Orange Revolution changes).

So basically, the rioters are Gore voters, only not as anesthetized by TV.

Gore voters? they are trying to get away from an overly large oppressive gov't, not closer to one.