The draft will last 24 rounds. You must draft 2 goalies, 6 defensemen, 12 forwards and a coach, with 3 additional picks to be used for whatever position(s) you want.

Trading is allowed. Trades must be equal in numbers, 2 picks for 2 picks, 1 player and a pick for 2 picks, and so on. Really lopsided trades can be vetoed. Rounds 15/16 through 23/24 will be double picks per round.

The time limit is 4 hours. If you miss a time window don't panic, just make up the pick ASAP. You can PM your preferred pick to me beforehand and be assured I won't ever be drafting your top pick for whatever round because my pre-draft prospect list is so darn long I can do without (even if with a grimace). Newly added procedure: If the HfBoards goes down then email your pick (or shortlist) to woodstein10@hotmail.com and the picks will be sorted out afterwards.

Suggestion: POST A REASON OR STATISTIC OR DESCRIPTION WITH YOUR PICK to aid discussion and let us know a bit about the pick, as many may not be household names, especially from other eras.

You must PM the next GM after your selection. And please post a notice to that effect on the draft thread to ensure a smooth flow to the draft.

Any player from any league or era are eligible as long as they were not drafted in the ATD#8 click here and use control-f to check (http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=438493). As soon as a pick is posted, the next team's clock will begin even if an ineligible player is chosen: the pick will simply be made up as soon as possible.

Player selection should be based on what they have done (the 'next best' draft, so to speak, the greatest all-time careers not honored by being picked in the main atd#8 draft), and not what they will do in the future, though it's understood that as a minor league team there is a bit of projection involved, especially with players whose careers were cut short by injury.

Absolutely no dropping of players: once drafted they are drafted, but players could be traded if team needs change. At the end of the draft a team could pick up an undrafted UFA and simply discard a draft pick.

The number of teams that make the playoffs will depend on the number that qualify for the postseason. To qualify, a team must meet this all-time draft roster condition: Have on the team at least ONE player from each of the following time periods:

1939 or earlier
1940-1965
1966-1979
1980-1989
1990-1999
in 2008 (ANY active/nonretired player with 200-plus games pro experience regardless of when he began his career)

The very first game ever played in a top pro league defines which time period for the required condition (so, an eighties player whose NHL or SEL rookie season started in 1979 would meet the 1966-79 time period requirement).

On another front, there will be an all-star team of 1LW, 1RW, 1C, 2D, 1G voted on after the regular season.

[B]Starting at the end of round 12 the clock was reduced to 4 hours.
(Don't worry, if you miss your time window simply make up the pick ASAP as the clock marches on to quicken the pace.
Or you can PM your shortlist to me or another g.m. And as you await your window you could do research, research, research! build those lists.)

POST A REASON OR STATISTIC OR DESCRIPTION WITH YOUR PICK to aid discussion and let us know a bit about the pick, as many may not be household names, especially from other eras.Nothing quite like being in the same time-zone as VI and getting first crack at commenting. I like this idea a lot. If you've done some research, you'll probably have at least one player whom a lot of folks haven't heard of. Don't make me look your player up ... if it's someone who hasn't been active in the last decade or two, post a paragraph about who he is and why he's the key to your team's victory.Player selection should be based on what they have done (the 'next best' draft, so to speak, the greatest all-time careers not honored by being picked in the main atd#8 draft), and not what they will do in the future, though it's understood that as a minor league team there is a bit of projection involved, especially with players whose careers were cut short by injury.Never quite understood this phrase, but I've always taken it to mean that players with careers cut short by injury get a few bonus points and that players LONG ago who quit "early" because of cultural / family reasons would get a few bonus points too, but that currently active players don't get credit for what they're going to do in the next five years. Yes?2000 or later (note: nonretired/active players must have at least a minimum of 200 professional hockey league games played: Don't Toews us bro!)I like this, and I'd caution new folks to stay away from ANYONE who hasn't at least reached the "prime" of his career. We're getting pretty deep in the talent pool, so I'll remind everyone to avoid mentioning ANY undrafted player by name.2 cottonking & Nalyd Psycho - Edina HornetsGood work, VI.

Best of luck to everyone involved ... suggest that as long as folks are logged on, we might do what we did with ATD8 and just start picking now, but not run the clock for another week.

VanIslander

01-08-2008, 04:27 AM

... players with careers cut short by injury get a few bonus points and that players LONG ago who quit "early" because of cultural / family reasons would get a few bonus points too, but that currently active players don't get credit for what they're going to do in the next five years. Yes?
Absolutely!

...I'll remind everyone to avoid mentioning ANY undrafted player by name.
Good idea.

... as long as folks are logged on, we might do what we did with ATD8 and just start picking now, but not run the clock for another week.
Sure. But that's up to Evil Speaker. ;)

(though spending your free time the next day or two to send BM67 your VOTE on the main draft championship finals series is a better idea)

VanIslander

01-08-2008, 04:53 AM

... hope that wasn't directed to me ... I sent mine in a couple days ago.
Great, only 13 of us have voted so far (according to bm67).

All those who have yet to vote, do so asap by pm'ing the winner of the Milt Dunnell Championship Final series to BM67.

God Bless Canada

01-08-2008, 10:08 AM

Last minor league draft, Murphy and I had the first pick. This draft, raleh and I pick last. Call me crazy, but I like this draft position a lot more. Last draft, it was picking the best of a good lot. Joe Watson was a find (thank Murph for that one), but he didn't stand out over anyone else. I'm sure the guys we want will still be available at 14 and 15.

A reminder to all GMs to PM your picks if you aren't going to be able to make a selection. Especially those at the beginning or the end of a round. The ability to complete the draft in a timely fashion rests squarely on those who start and anchor each round.

A suggestion: put more of an emphasis on the early years. There's requisites for six time periods. Four of them are post-expansion. I think the beauty of the minor league draft is finding the really good, but overlooked players from before expansion. Anyone can name lots of guys who played post-expansion. But finding the defensive stalward who played in the 1950s and 60s, before the Selke, is the true mark of someone who deserves support. That's one of the reasons why I thought pappy had the best team in the last minor league draft.

Finding a worthy player with 200-plus games pro experience who started in 2000 is going to be hard, too.

If anything, there should be a requisite for a player who played pre-1927 (when the west coast leagues were every bit as good as the NHA/NHL), 1927-1945, 1945-1967, 1967-1979, and then 1979-present.

If we're going to keep the top-heavy post-expansion format, then allow GMs to qualify which era their player fits in. A guy who starts in 1991, but is still active, should be able to qualify as a 2000-era guy.

Good luck to all GMs, and a big welcome to the newbies.

VanIslander

01-08-2008, 06:12 PM

A reminder to all GMs to PM your picks if you aren't going to be able to make a selection. Especially those at the beginning or the end of a round. The ability to complete the draft in a timely fashion rests squarely on those who start and anchor each round.
Good point.

put more of an emphasis on the early years.
There's requisites for six time periods. Four of them are post-expansion. I think the beauty of the minor league draft is finding the really good, but overlooked players from before expansion.
Choose a third liner from the original Six era or a team's top scorer from the postexpansion era? One team can have its 18 skaters and starting netminder from pre-expansion eras and meet time period requirements by bench and backup players. Another team can be more modern era with marginal positions filled by pre-modern players. And hopefully many teams will be balanced not biased, reflect the best of all time, from 32-team, 28-team, 12-team and 6-team NHL as well from other leagues in North America and in Europe. Every team should have at least one European player who never played in North America, but it isn't a requirement. perhaps it should be? Overall: Let's hope we get more balanced, less slanted toward any era, rosters this time out.

Finding a worthy player with 200-plus games pro experience who started in 2000 is going to be hard, too.
The window does seem pretty narrow, so... let's make it:

ANY active/nonretired player with 200-plus games pro experience regardless of when he began his career.

God Bless Canada

01-08-2008, 07:01 PM

Good point.

Choose a third liner from the original Six era or a team's top scorer from the postexpansion era? One team can have its 18 skaters and starting netminder from pre-expansion eras and meet time period requirements by bench and backup players. Another team can be more modern era with marginal positions filled by pre-modern players. And hopefully many teams will be balanced not biased, reflect the best of all time, from 32-team, 28-team, 12-team and 6-team NHL as well from other leagues in North America and in Europe. Every team should have at least one European player who never played in North America, but it isn't a requirement. perhaps it should be? Overall: Let's hope we get more balanced, less slanted toward any era, rosters this time out.

The window does seem pretty narrow, so... let's make it:

ANY active/nonretired player with 200-plus games pro experience regardless of when he began his career.
That last idea is even worse. It punishes players who played at a really high level in the game's early years, when teams played 20-45 games per season. It also punishes guys who kept their amateur status during the game's early years. I thought it was great that doctordark picked Scotty Davidson in the main draft. Under your eligibility, Davidson wouldn't be eligible.

If you don't include the playoffs in the 200-game criteria, then arguably the best defenceman available isn't eligible.

Evil Speaker

01-08-2008, 07:02 PM

Sure. But that's up to Evil Speaker. ;)

(though spending your free time the next day or two to send BM67 your VOTE on the main draft championship finals series is a better idea)

In wont start the MLD until the ATD 8 champion has been crowned

ck26

01-08-2008, 09:19 PM

That last idea is even worse. It punishes players who played at a really high level in the game's early years, when teams played 20-45 games per season. It also punishes guys who kept their amateur status during the game's early years. I thought it was great that doctordark picked Scotty Davidson in the main draft. Under your eligibility, Davidson wouldn't be eligible.

If you don't include the playoffs in the 200-game criteria, then arguably the best defenceman available isn't eligible.Reread his post. ACTIVE players must have 200 games played (so that bro doesn't try to Toews us). Unless there is evidence that Dickie Boon is planning on making a comeback (first to life, then to the NHL), then he's still eligible as a pre-Iron Age player. You can still pick those players, they just don't count towards the requirement to have a post-2000 player.

MXD

01-08-2008, 09:43 PM

A suggestion: put more of an emphasis on the early years. There's requisites for six time periods. Four of them are post-expansion. I think the beauty of the minor league draft is finding the really good, but overlooked players from before expansion. Anyone can name lots of guys who played post-expansion. But finding the defensive stalward who played in the 1950s and 60s, before the Selke, is the true mark of someone who deserves support. That's one of the reasons why I thought pappy had the best team in the last minor league draft.

... Me and EB had the defensive stalwart of the late '20/ early '30 and got absolutely no love for it!

VanIslander

01-08-2008, 10:37 PM

I am just short of disgusted to see a team made up entirely of old players, just as I am to see a team made up almost exclusively of eighties and nineties players.

This is an all-time draft.

The time requirements was to help make the draft more ALL time, and that means having ONE, one active/nonretired player as a minimum to reflect the contemporary era, just as a team must have at least ONE from the thirties or before. That leaves a lot of latitude inbetween. And since there are three extra picks for a grand total of 24 then meeting time requirements needed be a concern for the core of one's team.

Personally I'd like to see two or three players from every era be a requirement, but ONE certainly is doable, in fact is easy as pie over the course of a 24 round draft.

VanIslander

01-08-2008, 10:41 PM

Reread his post. ACTIVE players must have 200 games played (so that bro doesn't try to Toews us). Unless there is evidence that Dickie Boon is planning on making a comeback (first to life, then to the NHL), then he's still eligible as a pre-Iron Age player. You can still pick those players, they just don't count towards the requirement to have a post-2000 player.
:biglaugh: Yeah, the minimum 200 career pro games requirement is only for the ONE active/nonretired player of the contemporary (2007-08) era. Don't Toews us bro'.

God Bless Canada

01-08-2008, 11:14 PM

:biglaugh: Yeah, the minimum 200 career pro games requirement is only for the ONE active/nonretired player of the contemporary (2007-08) era. Don't Toews us bro'.
I got it now. Everything's cool. I overreated because I was worried that I might not get the guy I want.

But for clarification's sake, does 200 pro games mean 200 NHL games? Does AHL count? How about European pro leagues? And do playoff games count? You'll never see me pick Toews or Kane or Paul Stastny, at least not for another five or 10 years. But some guys might want to know.

Spitfire11

01-08-2008, 11:48 PM

I got it now. Everything's cool. I overreated because I was worried that I might not get the guy I want.

But for clarification's sake, does 200 pro games mean 200 NHL games? Does AHL count? How about European pro leagues? And do playoff games count? You'll never see me pick Toews or Kane or Paul Stastny, at least not for another five or 10 years. But some guys might want to know.

*cough* naming undrafted players *cough*

:D

Can't wait to get this started. My team is going to be a mess as always but an awesome mess.

VanIslander

01-09-2008, 12:34 AM

...for clarification's sake, does 200 pro games mean 200 NHL games? Does AHL count? How about European pro leagues? And do playoff games count?
200 professional hockey games for the one required ACTIVE/nonretired player. So that could be in ANY pro league. Playoff games count. International tourney, tours, exhibition, all-star, college and non-pro junior leagues of course don't count. I don't think we'll have to split many hairs here. PM me with a guy you are thinking of drafting if it's a borderline case and I'll let you know.

pappyline

01-09-2008, 07:40 AM

Is there an easy way of telling how many players from minor league draft #7 went in major league draft #8? I know at least 5 of my Minor league drfat picks from #7 went in the #8 main draft. Just curious.

BM67

01-09-2008, 09:27 AM

48 MLD7 selections were taken in the main draft, as well as 13 guys never selected before.

pappyline

01-09-2008, 10:28 AM

48 MLD7 selections were taken in the main draft, as well as 13 guys never selected before.
Very interesting. 61 either from r the minor draft or new research. Whitby Dunlops had 6 of the 48. Oliver, Frank Patrick, Labine, Schwartz, Dan Maloney, Stanfield.

Does the 200 games rule was...
- At the start of the year?
- At the start of the draft?
- At the moment the player is drafted?

I can think of a few guys who could only fit the third category at a certain point of the draft.

And does the 200 games played concerns goaltenders as well? I can think of one worthy guy (who was drafted in ATD 7 for Christ sakes...) who did not play 200 games, whether they are NHL, pro, or even adjusted-to-82 games-a-year-NHL AND PRO. (the guy had a short career).

Heck, I think (and too lazy to watch now) that there are at least one AST goalie who did not reached the 200-games mark... And what is Pro...? I mean.... Cristobal Huet could be voided on the 200-games basis depending what is considered pro.

EDIT : Forget about the retired player, and my not-so-subtle comment about LL's 3rd stringer in ATD-7, and the one about a former Hawks netminder as well. But the comment remain for the goaltender as well. Not that I thought about selected Huet to begin with, but I still think he's a better pick than AT LEAST one guy we (me and EB) drafted in MLD 7.

VanIslander

01-09-2008, 04:51 PM

The minimum 200 professional hockey games played is for the minimum one ACTIVE/nonretired player requirement and so as long as those games have been played at the moment they were picked, it's fine. it should have been a 250 or better 300 game rule if many teams want to flirt with guys with under three full seasons of experience!

Professional hockey is professional hockey. Not OHL or NCAA or junior Swedish teams. Yes, to ECHL, AHL, SEL, RSL, NHL, etc.

Again, if a g.m. thinks the career he wants to honour is anywhere near the minimum then just PM me for clarification. I promise I won't draft the guy.

God Bless Canada

01-09-2008, 06:24 PM

Very interesting. 61 either from r the minor draft or new research. Whitby Dunlops had 6 of the 48. Oliver, Frank Patrick, Labine, Schwartz, Dan Maloney, Stanfield.
I think you meant Bobby Schmautz, not Schwartz. And I would know this, because I picked Schmautz.

I think Murphy and I had four: Pat Flatley, Shane Doan, Tony McKegney and Joe Watson. We went top-heavy on defencemen and grinders early on. I don't think Doan is quite ATD worthy, and Flatley definitely isn't ATD worthy. We had a couple guys who I definitely think are worthy of the main draft, but weren't selected.

MXD

01-09-2008, 07:08 PM

Oh...
Dunderdale is definitely ATD worthy (albeit risky), but he probably won't miss any ATD afterwards. Pappin is one as well, even if I don't think he should be in any top-9, unless it's the best setting for the team. (like LL this darft)
Holmgren can make a good enforcer/13th forwards for teams who likes this option. I probably would not draft him.

pappyline

01-09-2008, 08:02 PM

I think you meant Bobby Schmautz, not Schwartz. And I would know this, because I picked Schmautz.

I think Murphy and I had four: Pat Flatley, Shane Doan, Tony McKegney and Joe Watson. We went top-heavy on defencemen and grinders early on. I don't think Doan is quite ATD worthy, and Flatley definitely isn't ATD worthy. We had a couple guys who I definitely think are worthy of the main draft, but weren't selected.
I did mean Schmautz who along with the other forwards are all Ok picks in the main draft as 4th liners. The defenseman Frank Patrick belongs for sure in a 28 team main draft & I am surprised he was not picked in #7.

VanIslander

01-11-2008, 05:18 AM

Pit Martin, the second line centre and captain of the championship team of the last Minor League draft (Penticton Vees), has just won another championship as starting third line right wing. Hockey Outsider, in the g.m.s office for both picks, must be thinking of him as a bit of a good luck charm.

Camille Henry, the top left winger on the Vees, went to the milt dunnell final as the extra forward for the Clippers.

Which players drafted in the upcoming minor league will see quality action in the next main all-time draft? We shall see!

MXD

01-12-2008, 01:48 PM

Question : If a player plays in a PRO league which isn't the NHL in... let's say, DECADE 1 as an underager... and gets 20 a few years into DECADE 2... Is he considered a player of...
- Decade 1
or
- Decade 2

I don't think a player should be considered pro if he's NOT 20... And especially if he can't even grow a sizeable mustache when playing his 1st year in the Pro. I don't think that will have MUCH of a signification, but chances are, we might have to draft someone else from Decade 1 we wouldn't necessarily draft.

VanIslander

01-13-2008, 04:25 AM

What is the rationale for starting on a Monday instead of a weekend?
to give the main draft a whole week to wrap up from the date the draft time was announced

some people (like me) travel or ski or do whatever on the weekends in their free time: everyone is usually around a computer on a monday or tuesday, when the first round will get done

VanIslander

01-13-2008, 04:31 AM

I don't think a player should be considered pro if he's NOT 20
anybody who plays in a professional hockey league... age is immaterial... the first top pro league game is when the time requirement counts

and don't make too much of the time period requirements: all it means is that you need at least ONE from each of the time periods... that's only 6 of your 24 picks!!! don't even look at the requirements for your first dozen picks if you don't want to

Hockey Outsider

01-13-2008, 08:31 PM

Hope this isn't too late, but I'd like to sign up as an "advisor" to the Phoenix Roadrunners. ADC will be in charge of the team and will probably make 90% of the decisions but this will allow me to participate to a small extent.

Evil Speaker

01-13-2008, 10:25 PM

The Boston Cubs are pleased to start the draft by uncovering a hidden gem of a player. He was a steal in ATD #6 but somehow was overlooked in #7. Now he’s coming back and ready to dominate.

This defenseman was intimidating in every sense of the word; he was big, strong, tough and physically punishing. According to Ultimate Hockey there was no better body-checker during the 1920’s. Despite his lust for physical play he was actually a very durable player. In every one of his seasons as an NHL player (10) he had over a 90% attendance record, which I believe isn’t too far off of the all-time record for defensemen.

This player spent a lot of time in the penalty box, but was still a very effective offensive player. He actually has one of the highest offensive peaks out of any defenseman remaining. Between 1917 and 1929, he finished top 6 in points by defensemen six times, only star defensemen King Clancy and Buck Boucher had more top 6 finishes during that time period. The man they called "old pig iron" has all the looks of a #1 defensemen so we are very glad to have him anchor our blue-line. Welcome to the team Mr. Bert Corbeau (D)

P.S. You can find a great story here (http://books.google.com/books?id=eGUQipC3200C&pg=PA46&vq=corbeau&dq=bert+corbeau&sig=3AnDlraBscIsz9swopwM_zM2DdQ#PPA47,M1) about Corbeau's battles with King Clancy as told by Clancy himself.

Evil Speaker

01-13-2008, 10:35 PM

cottonking and nalyd have both been pm'ed

ck26

01-14-2008, 05:10 AM

He was lauded for having one of the quickest glove hands in hockey along with outstanding balance. In eight NHL seasons he recorded 28 shutouts and a goals against average of 2.82. He recorded three blank sheets in the post-season and was considered at his best in key games. He handled the puck well and was always quick to credit his defence after a strong game. He played every game for six years in Chicago and earned himself the nickname "Iron Mike."

But he did more than just show up. He was at his best in the big games, including the playoffs. He recorded two shutouts in eight games in the '38 playoffs, earning Chicago a shocking Cup win over Dick Irvin's heavily favored Leafs.

Defense wins championships, and everyone knows your best defender is your goaltender. With that in mind, the Edina Hornets are proud to select the best one available. From Aurora, Minnesota ...

Mike Karakas

VanIslander

01-14-2008, 05:22 AM

I notice Evil Speaker's new avatar is his first round pick, Corbeau.

chaosrevolver

01-14-2008, 05:29 AM

Wow im so unprepared for this, :biglaugh:

VanIslander

01-14-2008, 05:34 AM

Nalyd and I are planning on drafting Snoopy with our next pick.
If you do that, I'll get:
http://www.hothockey.net/peterpuck.jpg

Transplanted Caper

01-14-2008, 07:19 AM

The Vancouver Giants are pleased to select C. Barry Pederson

In 1981, Boston Bruins assistant GM Tom Johnson was understandably excited as he watched his young prospect Barry Pederson perform at the Memorial Cup tournament. As a Victoria Cougar, Pederson, a crafty centremen whose season was shortened by an injury, finished third in the WHL scoring race.

Pederson joined the Bruins for full-time work in 1981 and proceeded to light the scoreboard on fire. Teamed with Rick Middleton, he notched 366 points in 268 regular season and playoff games. He finished a close second to Dale Hawerchuk for the Calder Trophy during his rookie season and his 44 goals as a freshman still stands as a Bruin record.

But in 1984-85, Pederson's momentum crashed to a halt. A serious tumor was discovered growing in his right forearm. He missed 58 games while healing from surgery that saw a 4"x 6" piece of muscle transferred from his shoulder to his forearm. Some questioned whether he'd ever play hockey again. But Pederson's determination and aggressive therapy allowed for his return to the Bruins lineup where he tallied 76 points.

MXD

01-14-2008, 08:40 AM

The Stingers select LW Gord "Doc" Roberts

From Legends of Hockey
He joined the Montreal Wanderers in 1911 and enrolled in McGill University to study medicine. A strong and tireless player with a terrific shot, Roberts was one of the few early players who were able to curve his shots. He starred for the Wanderers for six seasons in the NHA and had two six-goal games and a five-goal game to his credit before leaving for the West Coast upon his graduation from McGill in 1916.

Roberts signed on with the Vancouver Millionaires of the Pacific Coast Hockey Association in 1916-17 and led the league in scoring with 43 goals in 23 games. His accomplishments that year earned him a berth on the PCHA's First All-Star Team. His hospital duties took him to Seattle the following season and he played for the Metropolitans on a line with xxxxx xxxxxx and xxxxx xxxxx.

From Losthockey
Gordie joined the Wanderers in 1911 and entered McGill University to study medicine. He remained with the Redbands for six years, during which time they reached the playoffs once. He played on a line with all the notable Wanderer stars including xxxx xxxx, xxxx xxxx, Odie Cleghorne, xxxx xxxx, xxxxx xxxx and xxxx xxxx. He was at his best during 1914 and 1915 playing with Hyland and Cleghorn. He was a strong and tireless player, greatly admired by his teammates. He had a terrific shot and Clint Benedict, the Ottawa goaler, always claimed that Roberts could curve the puck with his powerful wrist action.

Terrific goal-scorer in many leagues, proto-PF and one of the REALLY few impact-LW still available. Roberts would leave hockey in 1920 to pursue a medicine career. Roberts was inducted in HHOF in 1971.

it really helps the draft flow along if everybody gets a pm that they are up

Diving Pokecheck*

01-14-2008, 05:34 PM

pm's sent.

Sakicfan

01-14-2008, 05:53 PM

I'm here, but I would like to confirm our pick with 6hole. So, I PM him and if he doesn't answer before a few hours, I'll name the player. :)

God Bless Canada

01-14-2008, 06:44 PM

A quick word of advice to those who haven't been in co-GM situations: make sure that you have your picks decided well in advance. (Preferably a round before your pick). raleh and I have a five-man short-list ready for our picks. At this point, the odds of having your guy picked right before you are slim.

When Murphy and I were partners, we had our picks decided for the next round as soon as we announced our previous ones.

Don't worry about it, sakicfan, but I'd suggest announcing your pick once BM comes on-line, so that you aren't delaying the process.

Sakicfan

01-14-2008, 07:35 PM

Since 6hole seems to be absent the last few day, I'll announce the pick.

He was a mainstay with the Rangers the following year and became a key member of their 1940 Stanley Cup team. Smith won the Lady Byng Trophy for gentlemanly play in 1938-39 as a Ranger and again in 1943-44 as a member of the Chicago Black Hawks, and totaled a mere 24 penalty minutes in 483 regular season games. He played in the NHL for eleven years and was not signaled off for a penalty in four of those seasons.

MXD

01-14-2008, 07:49 PM

********, Gordie Roberts was my guy. ;)

I had the feeling you would go for this guy - that's why I made a point with Jungosi to draft him ASAP, as I think Roberts is a very unique player - considering what is left for the ATD, I don't see anybody playing the same kind of game than him at this level throughout his whole career...And that's the same thing for Bert Corbeau : there aren't many players like him left, if there's any.

Considering your 9 first picks from the last MLD have gone in the last ATD if my memory is right (some were taken by you, some were chosen by others...) and I noticed over the last few drafts that you were very consistent with your picks... :)

In fact, I never even THOUGHT of drafting anybody else, I would even have picked him in the ATD if I didn't thought it was a better idea to have a C to act as the 13th forward -- or even on my 4th line, I was somewhat worried about having a guy like him play 5-6 minutes a game. In the end, I was just really happy to see you were picking after us!

BM67

01-14-2008, 08:09 PM

The Renfrew Creamery Kings are pleased to add a leader that was a player/coach before he turned pro in 3 time all-star at RW

For the next three seasons he handled the dual responsibilities of playing and coaching with the Edmonton Dominions and Albertas in the ASHL before signing on with the Vancouver Millionaires of the Pacific Coast Hockey Association in February 1915.

One of Stanley's greatest thrills in hockey occurred during his first game with Vancouver when Cyclone Taylor assisted on his first professional goal in a game at Portland. Vancouver moved on to the PCHA championship that season and hosted the 1915 Stanley Cup series against Ottawa Senators, winners of the National Hockey Association championship. Stanley scored four goals in the third game of the series as Vancouver defeated their Eastern opponents handily by a combined score of 26-8. The victory brought Vancouver its first and only Stanley Cup.

No PM received, but PM sent.

pitseleh

01-14-2008, 08:10 PM

Am I getting that predictable? :D

I figure with the MLD there is a lot more room to take players that I like than players than necessarily players I feel are 'the best'. I try not to do it in the regular draft, but I probably just bias my evaluation towards the guys I want. ;)

I agree though. There aren't many (if any) players at this point in the draft with a guy like Roberts' combination of size and skill. He's a good player to build a forward group around.

EDIT: Wow, I thought Barney Stanley was already gone for sure.

papershoes

01-14-2008, 08:46 PM

The Nelson Leafs are pleased to select…

Tommy Smith (C)

A pure goal-scorer in each professional league, Smith lead the NHA in scoring twice (1913-1914, 1914-1915) and sits fourth in NHA scoring with 143 goals in 95 games played.

From 'Legends of Hockey'

Tommy joined the Ottawa Vics of the Federal Amateur Hockey League in 1906 and led the league in scoring with 12 goals in eight games. He was asked to fill in for his brother Harry on the Silver Seven roster for three games that year and he scored a total of six goals including four in one game against Montreal. He made enough of an impression that he was asked to stay on and play in the first game of the Stanley Cup challenge series against Smiths Falls. For his efforts, Smith is recognized as a member of the 1906 Ottawa Cup winning team.

He turned pro with Pittsburgh of the IHL the following season and led the league in scoring with 33 goals in only 16 games. He moved from league to league and team to team during the next five seasons but his goal-scoring prowess always followed him. He counted 40 more goals in 13 games, including a nine-goal outburst in a game against Galt, as a member of the Brantford Redmen of the OPHL in 1909-10 and tallied 53 times in 18 games for the Moncton Victorias of the MPHL in 1911-12. He led Moncton to the league championship that season and gained the attention of the Quebec Bulldogs who successfully defended a Cup challenge from Moncton that spring.

Smith settled in for a five-year career in the National Hockey Association from 1912-13 to 1916-17, playing mainly with the Bulldogs, and posted back-to-back 39 goals seasons in his first two years in the league. He played on his second Cup winner as a member of the Quebec squad in 1913.

Bowie played centre and rover for numerous amateur Montreal teams in the 1890s as a teenager, and for the Montreal Victorias of the CAHL and the ECAHA from the 1896 to the 1908 seasons. He was a five-time scoring champion and scored an unprecedented 234 goals in 80 recorded league games. Bowie played for the Vics' final Stanley Cup champion club in 1898. :stanley: An accomplished stickhandler who credited his skill to employing an unusually short stick, he was cited in many all-star lists as one of the very best forwards of hockey's first half-century.

On February 20, 1901, Bowie of the Montreal Victorias scored seven goals in a game and was well positioned to dominate the CAHL, and two weeks later, he scored 6 goals against the Montreal Shamrocks. He finished the season with 24 goals, 14 more than his nearest rival. Over his career, Mr. Bowie would average almost three goals per game.

Bowie retired from major play in 1909 - along with Harvey Pulford, Harry Westwick and Alf Smith, one of the final players who had played in the 19th century - when the professional National Hockey Association formed and the Victorias faded from major hockey prominence.

He was one of the original inductees of the Hockey Hall of Fame when it was formed in 1945.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Bowie

He should be drafted in the main draft of the all-time draft. Why he hasn't been is a scandal.

VanIslander

01-14-2008, 11:29 PM

pm sent to seventieslord

Diving Pokecheck*

01-14-2008, 11:50 PM

good pick, i had been scouting bowie.

papershoes

01-14-2008, 11:53 PM

great pick with bowie...
he was high on my list (but, obviously not high enough). his career average of nearly 3 goals per game is remarkable.

Evil Speaker

01-15-2008, 12:11 AM

Bowie was a great offensive player, no doubt. However, he only weighed a nauseating 122 pounds. Surley one of the smallest players in hockey history. So the Redmen are going to need to build a line that can protect and create room for Bowie for him too flourish. If he has to do the dirty work along the boards against brutes like Bert Corbeau, it's game over.

hawkman

01-15-2008, 12:13 AM

Please allow an innocent bystander a one time only question before killing me. How do you check all of the 672 players in ATD #8 each time you make a pick without spending hours scanning long lists and burning out your eyes. Did someone make a spreadsheet? :help:

pitseleh

01-15-2008, 12:13 AM

I'd imagine most players would be in tough along the boards against Corbeau. He was a monster.

Please allow an innocent bystander a one time only question before killing me. How do you check all of the 672 players in ATD #8 each time you make a pick without spending hours scanning long lists and burning out your eyes. Did someone make a spreadsheet? :help:

When you're a part of the draft it's easier to keep track of who's been picked. After that, it's usually just Control-F to check if the player you want has been picked.

Diving Pokecheck*

01-15-2008, 12:15 AM

Please allow an innocent bystander a one time only question before killing me. How do you check all of the 672 players in ATD #8 each time you make a pick without spending hours scanning long lists and burning out your eyes. Did someone make a spreadsheet?
control f to search a page for text.

A solid career with a variety of modest credentials displaying an ability to stop pucks of all shapes and sizes. As the league's top goalie in 1983, he was one of only three "legitimate' best goalies in any given season, available.

Clock moves to the next g.m. Seventieslord simply to make up his pick asap.

pitseleh

01-15-2008, 01:10 AM

The Americans are proud to select Hall of Fame goaltender, Paddy Moran.

According to a quote in Ultimate Hockey, "none ever played the game with so much zest". He was a fiery competitor, not unlike Billy Smith or Ron Hextall, who took exception to forwards that approached his net.

Moran had a reputation for being a clutch goalie, and led the Bulldogs to two consecutive Stanley Cups. He had the misfortune of playing on some very bad teams, or else he might be viewed closer to contemporaries Clint Benedict and Georges Vezina.

EDIT: PMed both chaosrevolver and Nate the Great.

VanIslander

01-15-2008, 01:47 AM

Bowie was a great offensive player, no doubt. However, he only weighed a nauseating 122 pounds. Surley one of the smallest players in hockey history. So the Redmen are going to need to build a line that can protect and create room for Bowie for him too flourish. If he has to do the dirty work along the boards against brutes like Bert Corbeau, it's game over.
And yet he was tall. Well, he was 5'6, which wasn't short then (25 years later, Aurel Joliat was 5'6 and a mere 135 pounds!!). And he wasn't a shrinking violet. Bowie threw checks and got physical. In the 1903 championship finals between Ottawa and Montreal, game 5:

some close checking by the forwards, and a little rough work. Bowie tried to get a crack at xxxxx after he had got rid of the puck, and as a result got mixed up with xxxxx's stick. Both went off, Bowie a little the worse for wear.
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/hockey/024002-119.01-e.php?&hockey_id_nbr=14&&PHPSESSID=06112ga80

So, while Bowie was on the small side (a 1903 player not a 1933 or 1973 or 2003 player size) he was a guy who threw checks, not a puff. And Bowie was a tough spirited player:

He was a player known for his mental toughness and was a unique and skilled player who in his career drew many fans.
Being one of the all-time revolutionary players, he was always applauded for his stunning effort http://www.bigsportsfanatics.com/articles/Hockey-Hall-of-Famers_22094.html

Nalyd Psycho

01-15-2008, 02:46 AM

He was lauded for having one of the quickest glove hands in hockey along with outstanding balance. In eight NHL seasons he recorded 28 shutouts and a goals against average of 2.82. He recorded three blank sheets in the post-season and was considered at his best in key games. He handled the puck well and was always quick to credit his defence after a strong game. He played every game for six years in Chicago and earned himself the nickname "Iron Mike."

But he did more than just show up. He was at his best in the big games, including the playoffs. He recorded two shutouts in eight games in the '38 playoffs, earning Chicago a shocking Cup win over Dick Irvin's heavily favored Leafs.

Defense wins championships, and everyone knows your best defender is your goaltender. With that in mind, the Edina Hornets are proud to select the best one available. From Aurora, Minnesota ...

Mike Karakas

Just thought I'd pop in to say that I am very happy with this pick. I believe he was the best goalie not taken in the main draft by a sizable margin.

seventieslord

01-15-2008, 09:16 AM

Apologies for the botched pick... Peeters was too good to be true, I guess. I Ctrl-F all my picks but it missed this one. i double and triple checked too. Looks like the last 15 or so picks aren't updated.

Anyway, it doesn't appear that Wilf Cude has been selected. Similar accomplishments, and didn't need WW2 to water down the talent for him to be a top goalie. I'm at work and can't do much in the way of links and stats. But he was good!

God Bless Canada

01-15-2008, 10:37 AM

NatetheGreat and chaosrevolver's time has expired. Spit is on the clock.

seventieslord

01-15-2008, 11:03 AM

Tip for every GM in the draft, especially new ones: I was a bit slow to start my first ATD, but after I changed it so that I get email notifications of HF PM's, I never missed another one... besides the time someone forgot to PM me... I recommend you all do that.

MXD

01-15-2008, 12:49 PM

According to the private message he sent me, Spitfire selects

RW Bill Goldsworthy

GBC and Raleh have been PMed. If they make their pick before 3:00 PM EST, I'll be able to call Spit's pick.

God Bless Canada

01-15-2008, 01:21 PM

The Moose Jaw Millers are pleased to select a player that we consider to be the best in the draft. An ATD fixture who brings toughness, talent and aggressiveness to our line-up. He was good enough to be the RW on one of the best lines of all-time. Tragically, his career and his life were cut short by cancer, just as he was entering his prime. Now he's the RW for our No. 1 line: RW Murray Balfour.

And we're pleased to select the defenceman that we considered the best available. An excellent offensive defenceman who is more than capable of taking care of his own zone. Twelve goals was a lot for a defenceman in the late 20s and early 30s; this player did it twice. Helped the Bruins win the Cup in 1929: D George Owen.

MXD

01-15-2008, 01:27 PM

Spitfire11 selects another Summit Series player....

D Dan Awrey

raleh

01-15-2008, 02:04 PM

The Moose Jaw Millers are pleased to select a player that we consider to be the best in the draft. An ATD fixture who brings toughness, talent and aggressiveness to our line-up. He was good enough to be the RW on one of the best lines of all-time. Tragically, his career and his life were cut short by cancer, just as he was entering his prime. Now he's the RW for our No. 1 line: RW Murray Balfour.

And we're pleased to select the defenceman that we considered the best available. An excellent offensive defenceman who is more than capable of taking care of his own zone. Twelve goals was a lot for a defenceman in the late 20s and early 30s; this player did it twice. Helped the Bruins win the Cup in 1929: D George Owen.

Very happy about this. Owen was in the maroons lineup in ATD 7 in the main draft and we were very pleased to have him. He'll be one of the best pp quarterbacks in the league.

chaosrevolver

01-15-2008, 03:18 PM

http://www.logoserver.com/hockey/BellevilleBulls01.GIF

With their 1st Pick in the ATD Minor League Draft the Belleville Bulls select....Centre....Pierre Mondou (1976-77 to 1985-86)

From Legends of Hockey:
Centre Pierre Mondou was a talented offensive player who checks and kills penalties. He produced at all levels of hockey and was a key role player then leader on the Montreal Canadiens.

Born in Sorel, Quebec, Mondou was chosen 15th overall by the Montreal Canadiens in 1975 after a fine career in the QMJHL. He spent two years in the AHL with the Nova Scotia Voyageurs then joined the Habs as a reserve when the won the Cup in 1977. Mondou scored 19 goals as a rookie in 1977-78 and contributed ten points when Montreal won the Stanley Cup. In 1978-79, he scored 31 goals centering Mario Tremblay and Yvon Lambert when Doug Risebrough was hurt and helped the club win its fourth straight Stanley Cup.

Following the dismantling of the Stanley Cup dynasty, Mondou was a key player for the Habs in the early '80s. In 1981-82, he scored 35 goals playing with Tremblay and Rejean Houle and was a veteran leader along with Larry Robinson and Mario Tremblay. He was forced to retire in 1985 after he suffered an eye injury caused by Ulf Samuelsson. This was a huge blow to the Canadiens since, at the time of his injury, Mondou was playing excellent hockey with Mats Naslund and Mario Tremblay. After retiring as a player, Mondou worked as an assistant coach with the Verdun juniors then moved into the Habs' front office for several years.

With their 2nd Pick in the ATD Minor League Draft the Belleville Bulls select....Centre/Right Wing...Pavol Demitra (1993-94 to Present Day).

From Legends of Hockey:
Pavol Demitra was selected 227th overall in the 1993 NHL Entry Draft by the Ottawa Senators.

Growing up as a teenager in Slovakia, Demitra played 28 games for his hometown Spartak Dubnica of the Czechoslovakian second division in 1991-92 at the age of 17. After another four games with Spartak in 1992-93, Pavol joined Dukla Trencin of the Czechoslovakian Extraliga for 46 games. He also won a bronze medal with team Czech Republic at the 1993 World Junior Championships.

In 1993-94, Demitra travelled to North America and split the season between the NHL and the AHL's Prince Edward Island Senators. In 41 AHL games, he scored 41 points. Demitra began showing signs of tremendous offensive talent in 1995-96 when he scored 81 points in just 48 AHL games. In 1996, he represented Slovakia at the World Cup of Hockey.

Demitra made his NHL debut that year on October 9, 1996 with one assist in a 7-5 loss against the St. Louis Blues. Just five nights later, he scored his first NHL goal against the Florida Panthers. After playing only 12 games in 1993-94, Demitra suited up for 16 contests in the shortened 1994-95 season.

On November 27, 1996, Demitra was traded to the St. Louis Blues and in 1997-98, he joined the NHL ranks full time and scored 52 points in 61 games. In 1998-99, Demitra led the Blues with 37 goals and 52 assists for 89 points. He also participated in his first mid-season NHL All-Star Game and finished second in the NHL with ten game-winning goals.

In 1999-2000, Demitra led the Blues to a President's Trophy championship and played in the mid-season NHL All-Star Game. He finished the year with 75 points in 71 games and won the Lady Byng Trophy for his sportsmanlike play. In 2000-01, Demitra was limited to just 44 games, but still led the club with a +27 plus/minus rating. He had 20 goals and 45 points while the Blues reached the 100-point mark for the second straight year. Upon his arrival in St. Louis, Demitra proved to be one of the elite players in the NHL, surpassing the 500-games played and 500-point plateau during the 2003-04 season.

However, once the 2004-05 NHL lock out had been settled, Demitra soon after became a member of the Los Angeles Kings. His 25 goals helped lift the Kings offence but the team again failed to make the playoffs in 2005-06. Demitra was sent to the Minesota Wild for Patrick O'Sullivan and a 2006 first-round draft pick.

Aside from his World Junior appearance in 1993 and World Cup appearance in 1996, Demitra has represented Slovakia at the World Championships (1996, 2003-2005), the 2002, 2006 Winter Olympics and the 2004 World Cup of Hockey.

With our second pick, the Americans are proud to select an early great, D Hobey Baker.

I'm in class right now, so I'll post more info when I get home.

EDIT: seventieslord has been PM'd.

God Bless Canada

01-15-2008, 03:25 PM

With our second pick, the Americans are proud to select an early great, D Hobey Baker.

I'm in class right now, so I'll post more info when I get home.
I applauded MXD and Eagle for this selection when they became the first to ever pick Baker in the last draft, and I'll applaud it again, I probably would have given Hobey a long, long look, but I have the feeling that hockey's ultimate bastian of sportsmanship might have some philosophical problems with the team that raleh and I want to build.

Can you elaborate on "interesting"?
It means just that. My first impression is... "Interesting" ... it's a catch-all phrase for what piques my interest, perhaps because I don't know what to think about the value of the player, don't know the player, am conflicted about relative worth, am of two minds somehow or simply find them worthy of more consideration by myself.

Goldsworthy is not an interesting pick. I knew he'd go early and so I decided not to put him on my list of possibles as he's a right winger with several pretty good candidates at that position on my list I wouldn't have drafted him before the 4th round, by which time of course he'd be gone.

Cude is interesting because he was a late round third stringer by stat-junkie pnep a couple of main drafts ago and i recall he had a couple of all-star selections and was a little guy from a long time ago. I'm not sure what to make of him as a starter. Interesting. Would like to hear more about him, think about it.

Tommy Smith is from the earliest era and I don't get a clear sense of how he'd do in an all-time context, how good was he compared to his contempories? Hmmm..

Spitfire11

01-15-2008, 04:56 PM

BM67 could ya please post the link to the BBsports (something like that) website, the one that listed heights/weights. My computer got wiped a few months ago and I lost the link. Thanks.

Spitfire11

01-15-2008, 05:27 PM

Goldsworthy is not an interesting pick. I knew he'd go early and so I decided not to put him on my list of possibles as he's a right winger with several pretty good candidates at that position on my list I wouldn't have drafted him before the 4th round, by which time of course he'd be gone.

He can just go under the "awesome pick" category :D

vancityluongo

01-15-2008, 06:09 PM

The Renfrew Creamery Kings are pleased to add a leader that was a player/coach before he turned pro in 3 time all-star at RW

Hmm. You have him as a RW, but I see LegendsOH has him in the HHOF section, under defenseman? Meh, I'm probably wrong, maybe someone else can check that?

VanIslander

01-15-2008, 06:23 PM

Minor trade deal between the Redmen and Leafs:

to Nelson: picks 20, 37
to McGill: picks 21, 36

Nelson to confirm.

papershoes

01-15-2008, 06:25 PM

Minor trade deal between the Redmen and Leafs:

to Nelson: picks 20, 37
to McGill: picks 21, 36

Nelson to confirm.

nelson confirms the above mentioned deal

The_Hockey_Guy18

01-15-2008, 06:47 PM

A little more on the pick of the great Hobart "Hobey" Baker.

From Legends of Hockey:

By the time he entered Princeton University in 1910, Baker was an extremely well-rounded sportsman. The budding star led the Tigers through an undefeated season in 1911-12 that culminated in an intercollegiate championship. As a rover, he was given the freedom to improvise and display his immense ability all over the ice. Baker became well known for his end-to-end rushes and an unheard level of stamina that enabled him to dominate an entire game. He was such a one-man show at times that the Princeton squad came to be known as "Baker and Six Other Players."

All in all, Baker was the first great American hockey star. As said above, he had unbelievable skill and stamina, as well as great discipline and sportsmanship when playing the game. He was even known to venture into the opposing teams dressing room after games, to congratulate them on a game well played, although that won't be happening any time in the future. ;)

Baker will most likely be our teams #1 defender, and because of his great stamina, will probably be playing 25-30 minutes a night, at least. Pitseleh and I look forward to having Baker lead our back end.

pitseleh

01-15-2008, 06:55 PM

Granted it isn't the most impartial of sources, but a couple of quotes from hobeybaker.com:

There are those wrote during Baker's era, just before the Great War, that he was the greatest athlete who ever lived.
...
As for athletics, it was further written that he was "phenomenal." In the 1909-10 season, his senior year, the St. Paul's team defeated Princeton, the Tigers' only loss that year. He would later lead Princeton to a pair of hockey championships as well as stunning the opposition on the football field. After his junior collegiate season in 1913 he was proclaimed "The Wonder Player of Hockey."

papershoes

01-15-2008, 07:02 PM

Tommy Smith is from the earliest era and I don't get a clear sense of how he'd do in an all-time context, how good was he compared to his contempories? Hmmm..

A little more detail on Tommy Smith, as compared to his NHA peers...

When comparing NHA careers, Smith sits fourth in goals behind Joe Malone, Newsy Lalonde, and Didier Pitre – outscoring both Jack Darragh and Odie Cleghorn (all of which were drafted in ATD#8). Smith however, turned to coaching when these greats were making a name for themselves in the NHL. The following tables provide a statistical comparison (all stats courtesy of ‘Legends of Hockey’) between Smith, Malone, and Lalonde. In the five years in which these three played in the NHA (1912-1917), Smith led the league in scoring twice (1913-14, 1914-15). Smith, a linemate of Malone, was also a key component of the dominant 1912-1913 Quebec Bulldogs Stanley Cup winning team. He was a goal-scoring dynamo, leading numerous professional leagues in goal-scoring including: NHA, MPHA, IHL, and OPHL(a year in which Lalonde racked up 29 goals).

Finally, When referencing Lalonde's 9 goal game, “Legends of Hockey” states:
On March 11, 1910, he scored nine goals in one game, an NHA record that was never beaten and only equaled by Tommy Smith.

Additionally, though listed on ‘Legends of Hockey’ as a Centre, Smith is listed on Wikipedia as a Right Wing.

chaosrevolver

01-15-2008, 07:11 PM

Like I said I wasnt that prepared. And I like my picks. I know they might be too early but damn...Baker!

Didnt think he was still there.

Evil Speaker

01-15-2008, 07:13 PM

And yet he was tall. Well, he was 5'6, which wasn't short then (25 years later, Aurel Joliat was 5'6 and a mere 135 pounds!!). And he wasn't a shrinking violet. Bowie threw checks and got physical.
So, while Bowie was on the small side (a 1903 player not a 1933 or 1973 or 2003 player size) he was a guy who threw checks, not a puff. And Bowie was a tough spirited player

Never said he was a wimp. He may have been tenacious and not shy from physical play, but that doesn't mean he won his battles, or that you wont have to surround him with linemates that can handle the dirty work. His tenacity will help him, but that doesn't mean he won't get pushed around, 122 pounds is 122 pounds. Let him rely on his skating ability to get up the ice, and his teammates to create room.
And don't get me wrong, I like the pick. I think Bowie is a fine player, and if you put him with the right linemates, he will likely be one of the more dominant offensive forces in the draft.

MXD

01-15-2008, 07:39 PM

I applauded MXD and Eagle for this selection when they became the first to ever pick Baker in the last draft, and I'll applaud it again, I probably would have given Hobey a long, long look, but I have the feeling that hockey's ultimate bastian of sportsmanship might have some philosophical problems with the team that raleh and I want to build.

I know pitseleh won't do such a mistake...well... I hope so... but don't give to Baker the kind of teammates we gave them last draft... Having Paul Holmgren on the same team than Baker would have been okay... only if we would not have added an even bigger punk. Take a look at our roster and you'll realize the big nonsense of having "THAT GUY" patrolling the blueline on the same team than Hobey Baker.

BM67

01-15-2008, 08:55 PM

BM67 could ya please post the link to the BBsports (something like that) website, the one that listed heights/weights. My computer got wiped a few months ago and I lost the link. Thanks.
http://www.bballsports.com/

BM67

01-15-2008, 09:01 PM

Hmm. You have him as a RW, but I see LegendsOH has him in the HHOF section, under defenseman? Meh, I'm probably wrong, maybe someone else can check that?
He played most of his career as a RW, but played a year as Eddie Shore's partner on D in the WHL. He played only one game in the NHL, and that might have been as a D as well.

vancityluongo

01-15-2008, 09:07 PM

He played most of his career as a RW, but played a year as Eddie Shore's partner on D in the WHL. He played only one game in the NHL, and that might have been as a D as well.

Additionally, though listed on ‘Legends of Hockey’ as a Centre, Smith is listed on Wikipedia as a Right Wing.

Looks like the goalie position was yet to be created back then ;)

Spitfire11

01-15-2008, 09:41 PM

FYI, I will not be picking for about 4 hours. I need to research.

Yikes. Do you make a trip down to the archives or something?

:D

seventieslord

01-15-2008, 09:56 PM

It means just that. My first impression is... "Interesting" ... it's a catch-all phrase for what piques my interest, perhaps because I don't know what to think about the value of the player, don't know the player, am conflicted about relative worth, am of two minds somehow or simply find them worthy of more consideration by myself.

Goldsworthy is not an interesting pick. I knew he'd go early and so I decided not to put him on my list of possibles as he's a right winger with several pretty good candidates at that position on my list I wouldn't have drafted him before the 4th round, by which time of course he'd be gone.

Cude is interesting because he was a late round third stringer by stat-junkie pnep a couple of main drafts ago and i recall he had a couple of all-star selections and was a little guy from a long time ago. I'm not sure what to make of him as a starter. Interesting. Would like to hear more about him, think about it.

Tommy Smith is from the earliest era and I don't get a clear sense of how he'd do in an all-time context, how good was he compared to his contempories? Hmmm..

OK, I like your explanation. :)

Now that I have a moment... Wilf Cude's career was relatively short, even by 1930's standards, but he did manage to lead the league in GAA and was the Vezina runner-up in 1934. He was also the Stanley Cup Finalist that year. In 1936 and 1937 Cude made the second all-star team. He was the only remaining goalie to be a two-time member of a postseason all-star team or two time vezina winner/runner up, so I'm fairly satisfied. There was already slim pickings left for goalies when this started, and now that's especially true!

Now, for our 2nd pick, we select D Bob Murray - steady Chicago Blackhawks mainstay, solid at both ends of the ice, two time ASG participant. 514 Career points, and 112 playoff games with 56 points.

papershoes

01-15-2008, 10:25 PM

With Bert Corbeau patrolling the Boston Cubs blueline, the Leafs felt the need to add a big, physical, intimidating blueliner to create some room for Tommy Smith to shine.

Though known for his defensive prowess and physical intimidation, Mummery was no slouch when it came to offence – racking up 52 points in 106 NHL games, including a career-high 15 goals in 1920-21. Furthermore, as Captain of the Stanley Cup wining Toronto Arenas (1917-18), Mummery recorded 6 assists in 5 games.

In an article about Joe Hall (http://www.geocities.com/kinhobo/hall.html)
The following season saw the Bulldogs again dominate. Joe moved back to point to make room for his new defensive partner, Harry Mummery. Mummery was a thoroughly intimidating figure. Well over six feet tall in skates and nearly 250 pounds, Mummery led the league that year in penalty minutes, pummeling into submission anyone that got in his sights. If a player managed to elude Mummery's bulk, there was Bad Joe Hall waiting right behind him. Hall and Mummery's crushing style of defense allowed the team's offense to shine.

For the next three seasons, Hall and Mummery continued to be the most feared defensive pairing in the league, although as Bulldogs they never again won the Stanley Cup, losing the chalice to the Toronto Blueshirts the following season.

From 'Legends of Hockey'
Big Harry Mummery was a large man in his era. In size, he compared to the xxxx boys--xxxx, xxxx and xxxx. What set "Mum" apart was that he could rush off the defensive line despite that large frame. A goaltender facing a fast charging 220 pound colossus could be excused if he flinched and allowed a goal.

When Michael J. Quinn declined to have the team play the inaugural season of the National Hockey League, the Toronto team claimed his services in the dispersal draft. Mummery's defensive work was key in Toronto winning a second Stanley Cup for the Queen City.

During this time, Mummery worked as an engineer or fireman on the Canadian Pacific Railway. According to Tim Daly, the long-time Toronto trainer, it was not uncommon to see Mummery rush in with a raw steak, plop it on to a freshly washed shovel and then cook it in the dressing room pot-bellied stove.

Interestingly, Mummery also ended his career with three professional appearances as a goaltender, including 2 wins and 1 loss.

Also, a PM has been sent to the next GM

Spitfire11

01-15-2008, 10:44 PM

Now that I have a moment... Wilf Cude's career was relatively short, even by 1930's standards, but he did manage to lead the league in GAA and was the Vezina runner-up in 1934. He was also the Stanley Cup Finalist that year. In 1936 and 1937 Cude made the second all-star team. He was the only remaining goalie to be a two-time member of a postseason all-star team or two time vezina winner/runner up, so I'm fairly satisfied. There was already slim pickings left for goalies when this started, and now that's especially true!

Cude is a great pick. I didn't even bother searching for his name in the main draft assuming he'd definitely be gone.

pitseleh

01-15-2008, 10:45 PM

Nice to see Big Mum drafted again. I believe I'm the only one who's taken him before.

VanIslander

01-16-2008, 02:44 AM

The Redmen of McGill are pleased to select the wingman of their top pivot, an ol' teammate of Dubbie Bowie's from a century ago:

http://www.legendsofhockey.net:8080/LegendsOfHockey/members/splash/P196509S.jpg
Blair Russel was an excellent two-way player throughout his career as an amateur with the Montreal Victorias, though he was often overshadowed by the great Russell Bowie.

Russel played centre when Bowie was at his usual position of rover, but he shifted to right wing when Bowie moved up to forward. This pair made as potent a scoring threat as there was in hockey at that time, amateur or professional.

He scored 110 goals in 67 games and once registered seven goals in a game against the Shamrocks, in 1904. He also had a six-goal game and a five-goal game to his credit during his career. Like many of the finest players of his time, Russel was a very clean player who was equally adept at scoring or checking.
In a vote conducted at the time by daily newspapers in Toronto and Montreal, Russel was named to an All-Star team along with such greats as Bowie, Harvey Pulford, Frank McGee, Alf Smith, and Billy Gilmour. Like him, all of these players are members of the Hockey Hall of Fame.
http://www.legendsofhockey.net:8080/LegendsOfHockey/jsp/LegendsMember.jsp?mem=p196509&page=bio&list=#photo

BM67

01-16-2008, 07:17 AM

The Renfrew Creamery Kings are pleased to add a sniper that scored a hat-trick in five consecutive games at center/right wing

He played on four Stanley Cup champions while with the Wanderers--1906, 1907, 1908, and 1910. Although he played for the Wanderers, Russell maintained a membership in the Montreal Amateur Athletic Association for football and other sports. This fact did not sit well with the membership and they expelled him. As a result, he did not play hockey during the 1908-09 season.

Russell returned to action the following season and played until 1914, his last four years being with the Wanderers of the NHA. He was a fast skater and an accomplished stickhandler, and although he weighed only about 140 pounds he averaged nearly two goals per game over his career.

He is perhaps best remembered for scoring a hat-trick in each of five consecutive games and for amassing the incredible total of 43 goals in only nine games during the 1907 season. That 1907 season proved to be a good year off the ice for Russell as well. He played halfback with the Montreal AAA that year when they won the Dominion Rugby Championship of Canada.

PM sent.

Sakicfan

01-16-2008, 08:36 AM

The Moose Jaw Minutemen are pleased to select great Hall of Famer Defenseman/Winger Jack Laviolette, who will play as a Defenseman.

He began his organized hockey career in the Montreal City League and moved to the Montreal Nationals of the Federal Amateur Hockey League in 1904, finishing sixth in league scoring with eight goals in six games. He moved to the Michigan Soo Indians of the International Hockey League the following season where he scored 40 goals over three seasons and was named to the IHL First All-Star Team in 1905 and 1907 along with a being made a Second Team selection in 1906.
He returned to Montreal in the fall of 1907 to play for the Shamrocks of the Eastern Canadian Amateur Hockey Association for two seasons before joining the National Hockey Association's Montreal Canadiens in their inaugural season of 1909-10. Ambrose O'Brien owned the Canadiens at the time and named Laviolette as a playing manager (team captain) for that season.

Laviolette played on his only Stanley Cup winning team in 1915-16 when the Canadiens defeated the Portland Rosebuds 3-2 in a best-of-five series hosted by Montreal. The series marked the first time that an American-based team had played for the Cup. Jack Laviolette played for two more seasons before an off-season accident ended his hockey career.

While tuning a car for a planned tour of Quebec in the summer of 1919, Laviolette crashed and lost his right foot in the mishap. His playing days were over. A benefit game for Jack was arranged at the Mount Royal Arena during the winter of 1921. Not only was he the guest of honour but he also refereed the game.

A true "Jack-of-all-trades", Laviolette was an offensively gifted defender entrusted by the team owner as coach, manager, and captain of the Canadiens. Laviolette's true place in hockey history has less to do with his scoring prowess as a player (as a defenseman,he scored 45 goals in 147 games) for the Montreal Canadiens, and more to do with the fact that he was the first player, coach and GM of the team in the 1909-10 season.

Now that I have a moment... Wilf Cude's career was relatively short, even by 1930's standards, but he did manage to lead the league in GAA and was the Vezina runner-up in 1934. He was also the Stanley Cup Finalist that year. In 1936 and 1937 Cude made the second all-star team. He was the only remaining goalie to be a two-time member of a postseason all-star team or two time vezina winner/runner up, so I'm fairly satisfied. There was already slim pickings left for goalies when this started, and now that's especially true!

Now, for our 2nd pick, we select D Bob Murray - steady Chicago Blackhawks mainstay, solid at both ends of the ice, two time ASG participant. 514 Career points, and 112 playoff games with 56 points.

My God... that's early, but that was also a guy we really wanted...

seventieslord

01-16-2008, 12:20 PM

My God... that's early, but that was also a guy we really wanted...

Meh, what's early? it's the MLD. He was one of the top 10 highest scoring d-men left, and the only one of them who I'd consider "steady" in his own zone. What's 680th vs. 650th when you get the guy you want, right?

Transplanted Caper

01-16-2008, 01:21 PM

FYI: The clock on the next pick runs out at 5:36 Eastern as far as I can tell.

Diving Pokecheck*

01-16-2008, 04:25 PM

the roadrunner select LW Henrik Zetterberg

VanIslander

01-16-2008, 04:54 PM

the roadrunner select LW Henrik Zetterberg
On the NHL all-rookie team (2003). Then he was 20th in league scoring two seasons ago, otherwise unaccomplished. If his career ended today he'd be easily forgotten.

136 goals, 298 points in 322 NHL games. No stanley cups. No individual awards. Never been top-10 in league scoring, just once cracked the top-20. Played four and a half seasons.

Yes, he had a good playoffs last year and a good first half of this season, but a great career that does not make.

It'd be real nice if he's put on the fourth line as a greenhorn, perhaps as backup option instead of starter on the top line. There are several wingers, even several left wingers, with more dominance, accomplishments and just as much touted talent, left to be drafted in an all-time context.

That said, he does count as the one active pro player for the time requirement, even if he's best drafted in like rounds 16 or so.

And this is an all-time draft, so 21st century performers should be honored as well.

Spitfire11

01-17-2008, 12:05 AM

On the NHL all-rookie team (2003). Then he was 20th in league scoring two seasons ago, otherwise unaccomplished. If his career ended today he'd be easily forgotten.

136 goals, 298 points in 322 NHL games. No stanley cups. No individual awards. Never been top-10 in league scoring, just once cracked the top-20. Played four and a half seasons.

Yes, he had a good playoffs last year and a good first half of this season, but a great career that does not make.

It'd be real nice if he's put on the fourth line as a greenhorn, perhaps as backup option instead of starter on the top line. There are several wingers, even several left wingers, with more dominance, accomplishments and just as much touted talent, left to be drafted in an all-time context.

That said, he does count as the one active pro player for the time requirement, even if he's best drafted in like rounds 16 or so.

And this is an all-time draft, so 21st century performers should be honored as well.

He has an Olympic gold medal against the best players in the world as a second line center scoring 6 points in 8 games.

A gold, a silver, and 2 bronze medals from the IIHF World Championships.

His team has won their division all 4 years he's played in the NHL, 2 President's trophies (tied for a 3rd and well on their way to winning another). He's been a 1st line player on most of these, why should he not be a 1st line player in this draft?

Would he be forgotten if his career ended today? Perhaps, but just about every single player taken in this draft has been forgotten as well.

VanIslander

01-17-2008, 01:00 AM

He has an Olympic gold medal against the best players in the world as a second line center scoring 6 points in 8 games.
He was not top ten in tournament scoring, so the total isn't as lofty as it sounds. Plenty of scoring in that tourney. Nor was he on the tourney all-star team. He wasn't even one of the top-2 or 3 players on his team, though I grant he scored a goal in the close final.

He's been a 1st line player on most of these, why should he not be a 1st line player in this draft?
Because there are first line players who have won stanley cups and been top-10 in league scoring, done a lot more even under as short a career.

VanIslander

01-17-2008, 05:43 AM

3 hours left on the clock for Transplanted Caper & vancityluongo's Vancouver Giants

pm's sent

Transplanted Caper

01-17-2008, 07:12 AM

The Vancouver Giants are pleased to select a former Art Ross winner and a player who held the record for most points in a season after tallying 82 in 1943-44.

LW. Herb Cain

He was put on the negotiation list for the Canadiens, but they let the Maroons sign him in 1933. Coach T.P. Gorman formed the explosive Green Line (Cain, Bob Gracie, and Gus Marker) and the English Montrealers won the Stanley Cup in the spring of 1935.

In 1939, Cain was sent to Boston for Charlie Sands, and he became one of the most popular players in town. At the time, he became the 13th player to score 200 career goals and won the scoring championship with a then-record 82 points. In 1946, he began a career in the AHL, playing for Hershey and winning the Calder Cup. He later coached the Junior Smoke Rings in Ontario for five years, winning three provincial championships.

PM sent to the next GM's.

ck26

01-17-2008, 07:49 AM

Conference player-of-the-year in college. First non-Finnish player to win OPTY in SM-Liga. He's been to the finals three times, and he's probably going back this year. Slick-skater, power-play monster, great all-around player.

The Edina Hornets are proud to select, from Dearborn, Michigan ...

D Brian Rafalski

VanIslander

01-17-2008, 08:02 AM

He's been to the finals three times
lol... has two Stanley Cups. :stanley: :stanley:

and in addition was phenomenal the one time his team made it to the finals but didn't win the cup ('01): recording 18 playoff pts, 2nd in postseason scoring among defensemen, one point behind Rob Blake, 7th in scoring among all skaters that playoffs as well as having an impressive +10.

Good pick.

Evil Speaker

01-17-2008, 09:12 AM

The Cubs select Art Chapman (C) and Corb Denneny (RW)

MXD

01-17-2008, 09:25 AM

Ugggh.... yesterday's shutdown really screwed us to say the least...
Frustrating. No chance in hell we were to skip on Chapman.
I wasn't PM'ed by Agent Dale either (so could have given our pick to someone...). ADC made his pick around 6 PM, I come back roughly around this time. The website went down at this point, and never went up untill this early AM EST. That could have been arranged if I would have been PM'ed === could have sent the pick to some GM's.
Every pick should be voided... Seriously.

Well...he's my official complaint. Something should be down about this, as there was a clear violation of rules + a technical problem making the pick impossible. (I have to go to bed someday, and Jungosi was already there...), which = me and Jungosi being screwed when there was absolutely no fault.

I have to agree with MXD here and at the very least suggest a suspension of the draft until this is sorted.

Spitfire11

01-17-2008, 09:59 AM

He was not top ten in tournament scoring, so the total isn't as lofty as it sounds. Plenty of scoring in that tourney. Nor was he on the tourney all-star team. He wasn't even one of the top-2 or 3 players on his team, though I grant he scored a goal in the close final.

Still shouldn't discredit what he did. He was 3rd on the winning team in scoring and they don't win without him. It would be like taking Mario or Yzerman out of Team Canada in 2002.

Because there are first line players who have won stanley cups and been top-10 in league scoring, done a lot more even under as short a career.

I guess it's all a matter of how you compare the eras. Lots of those guys had their moments during the war years and then quickly fell off into the minors, and winning a Stanley Cup in 190X sounds impressive but is hardly comparable to winning it in the NHL.

MXD

01-17-2008, 10:03 AM

I gotta leave in roughly 40 minutes. Jungosi won't be around untill 1:30 PM EST (approx.) from what I was able to understand.

God Bless Canada

01-17-2008, 10:33 AM

This is the way I've always looked at the draft (even before I joined): the PM is a common courtesy, but it's incumbent on the GM to track the draft (who's been picked and where) and know when it's his turn to pick. In the last draft, I knew that as soon as mullin or the Inmate picked, (barring a trade, or depending on the round) that it was our turn to pick. Period. I didn't need the PM to tell me that. It's up to the GM to remember it's his turn.

Remember, first and foremost, that this is supposed to be a fun thing. I shake my head when GMs spend all this time trying to decide who to pick. There's no money involved, no trophy waiting at the end for the champion. It's just for fun.

We don't need a suspension of the draft. There's at least one or two centres out there who are on Chapman's level. Chapman's a heck of a player, especially in the minor league draft. He was No. 5 on Moose Jaw's wish list for our first two picks. But it's the minor league draft. It's not worth getting upset about.

MXD

01-17-2008, 12:00 PM

This is the way I've always looked at the draft (even before I joined): the PM is a common courtesy, but it's incumbent on the GM to track the draft (who's been picked and where) and know when it's his turn to pick. In the last draft, I knew that as soon as mullin or the Inmate picked, (barring a trade, or depending on the round) that it was our turn to pick. Period. I didn't need the PM to tell me that. It's up to the GM to remember it's his turn.

Remember, first and foremost, that this is supposed to be a fun thing. I shake my head when GMs spend all this time trying to decide who to pick. There's no money involved, no trophy waiting at the end for the champion. It's just for fun.

We don't need a suspension of the draft. There's at least one or two centres out there who are on Chapman's level. Chapman's a heck of a player, especially in the minor league draft. He was No. 5 on Moose Jaw's wish list for our first two picks. But it's the minor league draft. It's not worth getting upset about.

The site was down. There was no way I could get in, there was no way I could know we were on the clock (and it was midnight for Jungosi when it went down)
Indeed, the draft is supposed to be a fun thing. But you shouldn't get screwed in a fun thing... It indeed takes most of the fun out.

seventieslord

01-17-2008, 12:25 PM

Bah! I wanted Herb Cain. I knew I wasn't going to get him, though.

raleh

01-17-2008, 12:42 PM

The Redmen of McGill are pleased to select the wingman of their top pivot, an ol' teammate of Dubbie Bowie's from a century ago:

I was also hoping I could land either Herb Cain or Corb Denneny in the third round.

Both are great picks and were sitting at the top of my draft list for my next pick. Now I need to re-evaluate...

pitseleh

01-17-2008, 01:44 PM

Bah, all of my favourites are going so quick (Roberts-Chapman-Denneny was my top line last time around). :(

I guess I'll actually have to pick some new players this time around.

Spitfire11

01-17-2008, 03:41 PM

So whats the final call, are we going to wait for VanI to bring the gavel?

Lets get drafting again!

Nalyd Psycho

01-17-2008, 04:31 PM

I'm around all afternoon/night, so take your time, get it sorted. I need a minute anyway to know who I'm picking.

seventieslord

01-17-2008, 04:47 PM

i have to agree with MXD here. The site was down, there was nothing he could do. I checked all night last night, and also this morning, and couldn't get it. Couldn't see PM's either, so he'd have no way of knowing even if someone else managed to sneak in a pick and a PM while the site was down.

VanIslander

01-17-2008, 05:01 PM

Not receiving a PM is not an excuse! It the g.m.'s responsibility to keep track of when their pick will soon be up AND if one is too busy to pick when the window starts THEN I stated in the first post of this thread that:

If you miss a time window don't panic, just make up the pick ASAP. You can PM your preferred pick to me beforehand and be assured I won't ever be drafting your top pick
If a g.m. PM's me their desired pick then that pick would be registered immediately by me: I would have posted it for you sooner than you were able to.

So, MXD could have avoided this debacle by PM'ing me the Stngers pick if it was so certainly the desired one.

That said,... the blackout was unanticipated and htere is no policy or procedure to deal with what happens to the time clock when the site is down. It's not fair to be robbed of your time window because HfBoards goes down.

So,...

the news is just in

Art Chapman breaks a leg, out for the season

(Stingers and Cubs to re-pick at their convenience: the clock continues)

From now on, if the site is down then g.m.s are to email me the pick(s) at woodstein10@hotmail.com Unless notice is posted on the boards of a time stoppage, the windows continue as is.

VanIslander

01-17-2008, 05:13 PM

Remember, first and foremost, that this is supposed to be a fun thing. I shake my head when GMs spend all this time trying to decide who to pick. There's no money involved, no trophy waiting at the end for the champion. It's just for fun
:handclap:

MXD

01-17-2008, 05:14 PM

Not receiving a PM is not an excuse! It the g.m.'s responsibility to keep track of when their pick will soon be up AND if one is too busy to pick when the window starts THEN I stated in the first post of this thread that:

If a g.m. PM's me their desired pick then that pick would be registered immediately by me: I would have posted it for you sooner than you were able to.

So, MXD could have avoided this debacle by PM'ing me the Stngers pick if it was so certainly the desired one.

That said,... the blackout was unanticipated and htere is no policy or procedure to deal with what happens to the time clock when the site is down. It's not fair to be robbed of your time window because HfBoards goes down.

So,...

the news is just in

Art Chapman breaks a leg, out for the season

(Stingers and Cubs to re-pick at their convenience: the clock continues)

From now on, if the site is down then g.m.s are to email me the pick(s) at woodstein10@hotmail.com Unless notice is posted on the boards of a time stoppage, the windows continue as is.

Gonna pick shortly.
I just wanted to say that I looked here when I was in school, roughly around 12:30 PM EST. At that time, I was a few picks from being on the clock. I knew I would get back home by 6PM. Then the shutdown happened.

The Cincinati Stingers selects C Pavel Datsyuk

VanIslander

01-17-2008, 05:14 PM

oh, by the way,... now that we are in round 3....

the time window is reduced to 6 hours per pick

God Bless Canada

01-17-2008, 06:17 PM

oh, by the way,... now that we are in round 3....

the time window is reduced to 6 hours per pick
And if things don't pick up in a hurry, I'd recommend a drop to four hours ASAP. Don't like it? PM your damn picks. We should be well into the fourth round by now.

Evil Speaker

01-17-2008, 06:36 PM

Wow, this ****ing sucks. Anyway, the Boston Cubs select the only other big playmaking center that we can accept playing beside Denneny, Paul Ronty (C). Ronty finished top 5 in assists 4 times (2nd,3rd,4th,5th) and finished 8th in 1951. He also placed 4th in Hart voting in 1949. Ronty is one of the forgotten stars of the 50's because he played on some terrible teams with no elite linmates to speak of. Still was able to beat the tough 1950's competition in the assists catagory.

Nalyd Psycho

01-17-2008, 06:48 PM

The Edina Hornets select a big multiple cup winning defensive defenceman to pair with the undersized but extra skilled Rafalski.

D Dave Langevin

PMs sent.

Transplanted Caper

01-17-2008, 06:56 PM

The Vancouver Giants are pleased to select D. Pekka Rautakallio

The bankruptcy of the Phoenix franchise and having nowhere else to place meant Pekka returned to Assat Pori. Rautakallio played two more World Championship tournaments before catching the attention of the Atlanta Flames. The Flames saw him as the defensive equivalent to Kent Nilsson, a skilled European puck wizard. The defenseman gave every sign of fulfilling that promise. His thirty points and +22 in 1979-80 were respectable in both areas. The hockey tactician had taken his rookie NHL year as a chance to get used to the closer quarters and hard hitting. The results paid off with a second season effort of 56 points and a further 6 in the playoff, as Calgary stopped just short of the Finals.

Rautakallio had his best personal season in North American in 1981-82. His 17 goals and 51 assists left him a dozen points better than his previous best. Pekka was also named as to the All-Star squad, the first Finn to be named to the mid-season classic. At the end of the season Rautakallio decided to leave the NHL behind. He found that his children were loosing touch with their language and his oldest was at risk of not being accepted to the academic program in the Finnish school system. "It made me feel happy to know I made it in the NHL. I don' t feel I had anything to prove after last season. Everything I would have done in the future would have been a plus," said Rautakallio. Pekka Rautakallio played five seasons with HIFK Helsinki before winding up his playing career with HC Rapperswil in Switzerland.

Awards:
EJC-A All-Star Team (1971)
Named Best Defenseman at EJC-A (1971)
Finnish First All-Star Team (1975, 1978, 1979, 1983, 1986) Played in NHL All-Star Game (1982)

Transplanted Caper

01-17-2008, 07:03 PM

PM's sent.

MXD

01-17-2008, 07:21 PM

It's a game pick, so very little description.

RW Harry Hyland

PM sent.

papershoes

01-17-2008, 07:28 PM

It's a game pick, so very little description.

RW Harry Hyland

Hyland was my next pick...great choice!
He was a gifted goal-scorer, fast skater, and owned a very powerful shot ('Legends of Hockey')

I was looking to pick Hyland, and just my luck, he was picked with the pick just ahead of mine.
The Phoenix Roadrunners select a Hall of Fame player that led his team to 3 consecutive Stanley Cups, F Harry Trihey.

The_Hockey_Guy18

01-17-2008, 08:45 PM

The Vancouver Giants are pleased to select D. Pekka Rautakallio

Nice pick TC. We had Rautakallio on our shortlist, and I was hoping we'd be able to grab him a little later. Great choice.

Sakicfan

01-17-2008, 08:57 PM

As they want a second defenseman, The Moose Jaw Minutemen are happy to add D Doug Bodger to their team.

Doug Bodger was a mobile defenceman with excellent offensive instincts who spent sixteen years in the NHL. He was an asset on the power play and transition game and later added veteran composure to his team's blueline corps.

A solid defenseman with speed and a booming shot from the point, Bodger made his presence felt almost immediately upon joining the Sabres. He scored his first goal as a Sabre on November 27, 1988, helping the Sabres to a 7-3 win over the Philadelphia Flyers. He scored six more goals during the 1988-89 season and added 40 assists in only 61 games played. His 47 points was, at the time, the seventh highest single season total by a Sabres defenseman. Bodger became a leader on the Sabres powerplay. Six of his seven goals that year were scored when the Sabres had the man advantage.

http://www.sabreslegends.com/bodger_d_bio.html

PM sent

Diving Pokecheck*

01-17-2008, 09:00 PM

good pick up, Sakicfan, I had him on my list.

God Bless Canada

01-17-2008, 09:02 PM

I would expect he was on everyone's list. Good, solid, reliable defenceman capable of being a top-pairing guy in this draft.

vancityluongo

01-17-2008, 09:09 PM

As they want a second defenseman, The Moose Jaw Minutemen are happy to add D Doug Bodger to their team.

****! I was just sending a PM to TC saying that we should get this guy next. Nice pick.

MXD

01-17-2008, 09:48 PM

On an humorous topic... Type All Time Draft TBN in google. Some funny results over there, such as PJ Stock being used on a regular shift, a team being able to nab BOTH Dryden and Broda, and Eric Cairns having a regular shift on defense.

BM67

01-17-2008, 10:35 PM

I had Dryden and Broda in the first all-time draft. Only 12 teams mind you.

BM67

01-17-2008, 11:05 PM

The Renfrew Creamery Kings are pleased to add a two time World Championship Best-Defenseman winner and 2004 IIHF HoF inductee (He was also on the original 72 Winnipeg Jets draft list)

For the Czech readers (http://www.hcsparta.cz/klub.asp?t=texty/klub/tikal.html)

The IIHF redid their websites but here's what they used to say about Tikal:

"Frantisek Tikal played in close to 370 games and scored 80 goals in Czechoslovak league. The defenseman played in the 1960 and 1964 Olympic Winter Games and in the IIHF World Championships 1957-1960 and 1963-1967. In 59 games Franticek Tikal tallied 17 goals. He won six medals (two silver, four bronze) at the IIHF World Championships and also was and Olympic bronze medallist in 1964. He moved onto coaching for eight seaons in Poland and Czechoslovakia. He was named to the Directorate Team twice and to the Media all-Star Team once at the World Championships. One of the best defensemen of his era."

PM sent.

VanIslander

01-18-2008, 01:01 AM

I let the Nelson Leafs go ahead and listpick left winger Anton Stastny.

I'll make a pick for my team shortly.

VanIslander

01-18-2008, 01:44 AM

http://images.cambridgesoft.com/chemstore/university/McgillRedmen.gif

Francis Xavier "Moose" Goheen

http://hfboards.com/imagehosting/thum_21448479051a0e6cbd.jpg

...was said to have been the finest player produced in the state of Minnesota. He was even considered by some to be even better than the legendary Hobey Baker
http://www.legendsofhockey.net:8080/LegendsOfHockey/jsp/LegendsMember.jsp?mem=p195203&type=Player&page=bio&list=#photo

He was a defenseman and was called "the best all-round player of his time" by many astute hockey followers of that period, according to "The Hockey News" of August, 1952, which reported his election to the Hockey Hall of Fame.

He played for St. Paul (Minnesota) Athletic Club which won the United States hockey championship McNaughton Cup in 1916-17, 1920, 1921,1922,1923... In 1920 he played for the United States Olympic Team which won the silver medal at Antwerp, Belgium. Halsey Hall, sportswriter of the day for the St.Paul Pioneer Press and Minneapolis Tribune and Journal wrote, "Nothing in sports could ever beat the sight of Moose Goheen taking the puck, circling behind his own net, and then taking off down that rink, leaping over sticks along the way."
http://genforum.genealogy.com/goheen/messages/156.html

Francis Xavier "Moose" Goheen Born Feb 9, 1894- in White Bear Lake, Minnesota - Died November 13, 1979). American Amateur ice hockey player. Along with Hobey Baker, Moose was considered one of the best American born players of the early part of 1900's. He was inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame in 1952.

Frank "Moose" Goheen began his hockey career with the White Bear High School... In addition to hockey he was an excellent football and baseball player at the University of Indiana. Goheen was a member of the St. Paul Athletic Club when that team won the McNaughton Trophy in 1915-16 and 1916-17 as United States Amateur Hockey champions

Goheen turned professional with the St. Paul Hockey Club starting in the 1925-26 season after having turned down offers from Boston and Toronto of the National Hockey League because of a reluctance to leave his employment in St. Paul with the Northern States Power Company. In an age when the almighty dollar sign rules, it’s difficult to imagine an athlete turning down a professional contract to stay close to home. But it was a different time in the early 1900s, when Francis Xavier “Moose” Goheen laced up his skates to practice his craft on the outdoor rinks of White Bear Lake and St. Paul, Minn. He was a gifted football and basketball player, but turned his focus to hockey in 1915, when he joined the St. Paul Athletic Club, a team that boasted players such as Tony Conroy and Nick Kahler, both future inductees into the U.S. Hockey Hall of Fame. Goheen was a defenseman, but the boisterous crowds at the St. Paul games delighted in Goheen’s offensive abilities. He also gained the approval of the Minnesota fans by throwing his 6-foot, 200-pound body at opponents in bone-crushing checks.

St. Paul captured the MacNaughton Trophy (now the league championship trophy for the WCHA) in 1917 and 1918. They won it again in 1920, once Goheen returned from serving with the U.S. Army in World War I. The U.S. first fielded an Olympic hockey team that same year, and Goheen helped solidify the team’s blueline corps – as well as a silver medal finish in the tournament. St. Paul achieved professional status in 1925, and Goheen turned pro right along with them. He played parts of seven seasons as a professional in the Central Hockey League and the American Hockey Association for the St. Paul Saints and the Buffalo Majors, tallying 52 goals and 39 assists in 187 games. There was no professional hockey in U.S. at that time; the U.S. Amateur Hockey League included Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Duluth, Eveleth, Sault Ste. Marie and Portage Lake Houghton, Michigan. Despite having the talent to play in the National Hockey League, Goheen twice turned his back on NHL teams. He was drafted by the Boston Bruins and was offered a contract by the Toronto Maple Leafs, but chose to stay in Minnesota due in part to his responsible position with the Northern States Power Commisssion for which he was employed and later skated with after the St. Paul AC and Saints teams ended play.

The achievements of the St. Paul athletic club hockey team in the early 1900's, and by Captain Moose Goheen go unrecognized by many people today, Author Roger Godins book titled: Before the Stars sheds a fascinating history of the evolution of the sport from its amateur days to the arrival of the professional version as we know today. Before the Stars brings it's readers back to a time when players skated seven-man teams using rovers, angry skaters swung at opposing coaches and referees. Goal umpires raised white flags to signal goals, and fans watched games in massive hippodromes and celebrated their teams in torchlight parades. In the words of Roger Godin; "If not for Frank "Moose" Goheen and the rest of his teammates on the St. Paul Athletic Club team, there might not have been a "State of Hockey" for which the Minnesota Wild have coined.
http://www.vintageminnesotahockey.com/MooseGoheen.html

For the Czech readers (http://www.hcsparta.cz/klub.asp?t=texty/klub/tikal.html)

The IIHF redid their websites but here's what they used to say about Tikal:

"Frantisek Tikal played in close to 370 games and scored 80 goals in Czechoslovak league. The defenseman played in the 1960 and 1964 Olympic Winter Games and in the IIHF World Championships 1957-1960 and 1963-1967. In 59 games Franticek Tikal tallied 17 goals. He won six medals (two silver, four bronze) at the IIHF World Championships and also was and Olympic bronze medallist in 1964. He moved onto coaching for eight seaons in Poland and Czechoslovakia. He was named to the Directorate Team twice and to the Media all-Star Team once at the World Championships. One of the best defensemen of his era."

PM sent.

There were more than 12 teams...
Great pick with Tikal, BM. Should have been on our watchlist at least.

VanIslander

01-18-2008, 06:15 AM

ah memories... back in all-time draft #3 I drafted him to play on the third pairing of the Victoria Aristocrats in a 15-team main draft:

Bernie Parent
Vladimir Dzurilla
Rogie Vachon
He was one of five Czechs I drafted for that team as you see, as I'd been doing research on Czech hockey and felt them under-represented compared to the vaulted Soviets they were known to beat.

I can't believe that was in early 2005. Time flies!

papershoes

01-18-2008, 07:33 AM

I let the Nelson Leafs go ahead and listpick left winger Anton Stastny.

I'll make a pick for my team shortly.

Thanks for making the pick for us VanIslander...

Anton Stastny,
A talented brother and a player who knew how to put the puck in the net (in both the NHL and Czech Elite League). He'll be a great wingman for Tommy Smith, and a nice presence on the Leafs powerplay.

Stats:
• 1978 World Junior Championship All-Star
• 1979 Czech Elite League All-Star
• 252 goals and 636 points in 650 career NHL games
• 20 goals and 52 points in 66 career playoff games
• 150 PIMs for his entire 650 game NHL career
• Career +13
• 8 point game (3G, 5A) on February 22, 1981

In 1987-88, all of his offensive tools came together. His excellent skating ability, his refusal to be intimidated, his size and strength and his cannon-like shot with the lightning quick release were all harmonized under one helmet. By season's end, he became the first Canadiens 50-goal scorer since Guy Lafleur's heyday.

Through it all, the success was undeniable. He performed valiantly as the Canadiens' lost to Calgary in the Stanley Cup finals of 1989. Then, the following year he put together another 50-goal campaign. In 1991, the Canadiens decided to go with Kirk Muller, using Richer as collateral to be sent to the Devils. In New Jersey, Richer continued to be a solid offensive performer over the five seasons that followed.

In 1995, he again made his return to the winner's circle as the Devils won their first-ever Stanley Cup. After one additional campaign, he was traded back to Montreal for a season and a half before being traded to the Tampa Bay Lighting in 1998.

seventieslord

01-18-2008, 09:15 AM

New York has been PM'd, as indicated above.

seventieslord

01-18-2008, 09:16 AM

Hope no one is perturbed at me for the late pick... It was 1:45 AM my time when the last pick was made... we're gonna see things like that with six and four hour time limits. I'd have PM'd my pick, but still wasn't sure who it'd be.

VanIslander

01-18-2008, 09:35 AM

Hope no one is perturbed at me for the late pick... It was 1:45 AM my time when the last pick was made... we're gonna see things like that with six and four hour time limits. I'd have PM'd my pick, but still wasn't sure who it'd be.
no prob, the 6-hour window of course will close overnight sometimes and you can make the pick up at your convenience: the clock continues

pitseleh

01-18-2008, 12:10 PM

The New York Americans are proud to select LW Boris Mayorov.

(Some quotes stolen from Wisent)

Mayorov was the long-time captain of the Soviet National Team and was a key part of six world championships (leading one in scoring) and two Olympic golds. He was known as a tough player who liked to fight, complimenting his natural skill.

With their Third Round Draft Pick, the Belleville Bulls are extremely proud to select right-winger Steve Thomas.

A hard-working, right-winger with good speed and a quick release, Steve Thomas entered the league in 1984-85, he became one the most consistent scorers in the game with nine 20-goal seasons to his credit.

Born in Stockport, England, Thomas starred in the MTHL with the Markham Waxers and in the OHL with the Toronto Marlboros. After scoring 51 goals for the Marlies in 1983-84, the talented sniper was signed as a free agent by the Toronto Maple Leafs. During his first pro season, he scored 42 goals for the St. Catharines Saints of the AHL and was placed on the league's First All-Star Team. He also won the Dudley "Red" Garrett Award as the top rookie in the AHL.

After starting the 1985-86 season in the AHL, Thomas was recalled to the Leafs and scored 57 points in 65 games. That spring, he scored 14 points in the post-season as Toronto came within a game of reaching the semi-finals. After scoring 35 goals and helping Toronto reach the second round of the playoffs in 1987, Thomas was sent to Chicago with Rick Vaive for Al Secord and Ed Olczyk.

Thomas battled injuries his first two years with the Hawks before scoring 40 goals in 1989-90. In October 1991, he joined the New York Islanders in a trade and helped the club upset the Pittsburgh Penguins while reaching the semi-finals in 1993. Thomas set a career high with 42 goals in 1993-94 but slipped to eleven goals during the lockout-shortened season. Prior to the 1995-96 season, he joined the New Jersey Devils where his lower goal totals reflected the defensive system employed by his new club.

In July 1998, the veteran winger was lured back to Toronto as a free agent. He scored 73 points under Pat Quinn's free flowing system and helped the Leafs reach the semi-finals. After a slow start in 1999-00, he rebounded to score 26 times, but he notched only eight goals in 57 games the next year. A strong post-season in 2001 was not enough to convince the Toronto brass to re-sign him, so Thomas relocated to Chicago for the 2001-02 season and the better part of 2002-03 season before the team traded him to the Anaheim Mighty Ducks in the latter stages of the season.

Upon his arrival with the Ducks, Thomas was a key contributor to the team's late season success and their drive to the Stanley Cup final. Although the Ducks lost in seven games to the New Jersey Devils, Thomas solidified himself as a valuable asset to the team.

After the Ducks opted not to re-sign the veteran forward, Anaheim's lost was the Detroit Red Wings gain, as the team signed Thomas as a free-agent in the early stages of the 2003-04 season. Thomas would compete in 44 games with the Red Wings in 2003-04 and following the NHL lockout he would try out for the Toronto Maple Leafs only to be cut before start of the season.

A guy I wanted last time but got beaten to by pappy, Windsor takes tough 2-way D Doug Barkley

Was on his way to becoming a top defenseman in the league before an injury left him without sight in one eye.

Runner-up for the Calder by 0.2 votes.
Had 30 first place Norris votes in 65-66
Lead defensemen in goals in 63-64.

"Losing Doug Barkley was a real blow to the team," Gordie Howe said. "He was developing into an all-star defenseman."

God Bless Canada

01-18-2008, 04:47 PM

Moose Jaw Millers are pleased to round out their first line with two players at the top of our list.

We believe that this player is the best centre available, especially with the "injury" to Art Chapman. He tied for the league lead in goals, and finished one point behind Bobby Hull for the 1960 Art Ross Trophy. The centre of the famed Uke Line: C Bronco Horvath

We believe this player is the best LW in the draft. With his speed, grit and defensive awareness, we gave him a long, hard look for our fourth line in the main draft. With his skill, we believe he's also good enough to be a first line winger in the minor league draft. He'd be a fixture in the main draft if his career wasn't ruined by a battle with MS. A two-time Stanley Cup champ and the assist leader in the 1968 playoffs: LW Dave Balon.

The trio of Balon-Bronco-Balfour (to be known as our Killer B's line) gives us an excellent blend of skill, savvy, speed, toughness and two-way play. It also means that we will have the luxury of being able to use this line in all situations.

BM67

01-18-2008, 04:49 PM

Steve Thomas has already been taken in the main draft.

vancityluongo

01-18-2008, 04:52 PM

Steve Thomas has already been taken in the main draft.

Yup, search 'Steve "Stumpy" Thomas'.

papershoes

01-18-2008, 05:10 PM

wow...
my next three options, all gone!
great picks with balon, mayorov, and horvath!

Diving Pokecheck*

01-18-2008, 05:13 PM

how is "Trihey" pronounced?

chaosrevolver

01-18-2008, 05:13 PM

Ok. Ill repick around 9-10 tonight. I have to see a movie tonight with my girlfriend so ill be back then.

VanIslander

01-18-2008, 05:29 PM

3rd round reflections:

players stolen from the Redmen long list: Mayorov, Denneny, Trihey
players who should've been on the list: Hyland
went pretty much as expected: Bodger, Stastny, Horvath
players perhaps drafted a bit early: Langevin
interesting picks: Barkley

Evil Speaker

01-18-2008, 05:39 PM

Moose Jaw Millers are pleased to round out their first line with two players at the top of our list.

We believe that this player is the best centre available, especially with the "injury" to Art Chapman. He tied for the league lead in goals, and finished one point behind Bobby Hull for the 1960 Art Ross Trophy. The centre of the famed Uke Line: C Bronco Horvath

Horvath is not the kind of player i'd expect you to pick. I think of him as a one year wonder with absolutely no defensive conscience. Although defensive responsibilty isn't a must for a 1st liner.

Tied for scoring lead in 1998 and 2006 Olympics
Olympic All-star team in 1998 and 2006
World Cup 2004 All-star team
Named best player at the World Championships 1995 and 1999
2002 Masterton trophy
Olympic Silver and 2 Bronze medals
World Cup Silver
Gold, Silver, and Bronze World Championships medals

Good heart-and-soul player to have on the team

VanIslander

01-18-2008, 05:45 PM

Saku Koivu

Tied for scoring lead in 1998 and 2006 Olympics
Olympic All-star team in 1998 and 2006
World Cup 2004 All-star team
Named best player at the World Championships 1995 and 1999
2002 Masterton trophy
Olympic Silver and 2 Bronze medals
World Cup Silver
Gold, Silver, and Bronze World Championships medals

:clap: Yes, there is a current player who has been accomplished and recognized. His years of NHL captaincy also speaks to his leadership qualities. Good in the dressing room.

ck26

01-18-2008, 05:59 PM

Yup, search 'Steve "Stumpy" Thomas'.Only search for surnames when you're scouring lists to avoid this sort of thing ... but as a general rule, let's leave unneccessary nicknames out of player lists.

"Busher Jackson" is OK, because most folks don't even know his real name is Harvey, but let's not write, "Bobby 'Number 4' Orr."Ok. Ill repick around 9-10 tonight. I have to see a movie tonight with my girlfriend so ill be back then.MLD is not more important than girlfriends. Let's look through life with the proper perspective.

But the main draft ...

ck26

01-18-2008, 06:01 PM

:clap: Good in the dressing room.There has to be a better way to phrase this ...

Nalyd Psycho

01-18-2008, 06:02 PM

players perhaps drafted a bit early: Langevin

He may not have been the BPA, but, he is such a great fit for Rafalski that we wanted him signed sealed and delivered.

VanIslander

01-18-2008, 06:09 PM

He may not have been the BPA, but, he is such a great fit for Rafalski that we wanted him signed sealed and delivered.
good point

i didn't want to grab a right winger early but chemistry was a factor in the decision to

pappyline

01-18-2008, 06:20 PM

Moose Jaw Millers are pleased to round out their first line with two players at the top of our list.

We believe that this player is the best centre available, especially with the "injury" to Art Chapman. He tied for the league lead in goals, and finished one point behind Bobby Hull for the 1960 Art Ross Trophy. The centre of the famed Uke Line: C Bronco Horvath

We believe this player is the best LW in the draft. With his speed, grit and defensive awareness, we gave him a long, hard look for our fourth line in the main draft. With his skill, we believe he's also good enough to be a first line winger in the minor league draft. He'd be a fixture in the main draft if his career wasn't ruined by a battle with MS. A two-time Stanley Cup champ and the assist leader in the 1968 playoffs: LW Dave Balon.

The trio of Balon-Bronco-Balfour (to be known as our Killer B's line) gives us an excellent blend of skill, savvy, speed, toughness and two-way play. It also means that we will have the luxury of being able to use this line in all situations.
That is a very good first line.

pappyline

01-18-2008, 06:23 PM

A guy I wanted last time but got beaten to by pappy, Windsor takes tough 2-way D Doug Barkley

Was on his way to becoming a top defenseman in the league before an injury left him without sight in one eye.

Runner-up for the Calder by 0.2 votes.
Had 30 first place Norris votes in 65-66
Lead defensemen in goals in 63-64.

"Losing Doug Barkley was a real blow to the team," Gordie Howe said. "He was developing into an all-star defenseman."
Glad to see someone else appreciates him. Would be a good late pick in the main draft.

MXD

01-18-2008, 06:39 PM

That is a very good first line.

Hummmm... Horvath's pick isn't screwing our plan. This said, it takes out a very interesting possibility, to say the least.

Balon was a great pick. Was kinda hoping he would fall like he did last time. This doesn't looks like it, but LW is something of a deep position in MLD.

MXD

01-18-2008, 06:42 PM

There has to be a better way to phrase this ...

Ladies and gents, we have the winner for the "best bad pun" of the draft so far!

... way better than the Gilles Villeneuve elegy from last MLD between VI and I.

chaosrevolver

01-18-2008, 09:49 PM

The Belleville Bulls are extremely proud to select, with their 3rd Round Pick, Goaltender.... Felix Potvin.

As a Junior backstopper with the Chicoutimi Sagueneens of the QMJHL, Felix Potvin had the golden touch of an all-star. He led the league in shutouts for three years running; he was voted a second and first team all-star. He was chosen as the CHL Goaltender-of-the-Year; and, he made the Memorial Cup All-Star team and took home the Hap Emms Memorial Trophy as the top goaltender of the tournament. He then joined Team Canada to win a gold medal at the World Junior Championships.

Potvin was drafted in 1990 by the Toronto Maple Leafs. He spent his first pro season with their AHL affiliate in St. John's. That year, he won the Baz Bastien Memorial Trophy as the top goaltender of the AHL and the Dudley "Red" Garrett Memorial Trophy as the league's Rookie-of-the-Year. To top things off, he tended goal in four games for the Leafs who saw what they liked thus clearing the way for the club to dispense with Grant Fuhr in favour of their new rookie netminder.

In his early years with the Leafs, Potvin was a workhorse who, in his first big-league campaign, carried his club to the semi-finals where they eventually lost to Wayne Gretzky and his Los Angeles Kings. By the time he'd completed his six-year run with the Blue and White, Potvin had more games played and wins than all other Leafs stoppers except for Turk Broda and Johnny Bower. He set a club record, leading the league in games played with 74 during the 1996-97 season. During that campaign, he faced more shots than any goaltender in league history.

With the signing of free agent Curtis Joseph, Potvin saw the writing on the wall and the Leafs finally dealt him to the New York Islanders.

After a short stay with the Islanders, Potvin was sent to Vancouver where his stay was just as short as in New York. Following to sub-par seasons with New York and Vancouver, Potvin made a triumphant return to the NHL in 2000-01 with the Los Angeles Kings where he was workhouse for the team during their playoff run.

In 2001-02 Potvin played in 71 games with the Kings posting a 31-27-8 record along with 2.31 GAA before battling injuries throughout the 2002-03 season. After parts of three seasons with the Kings, Potvin was acquired by the Boston Bruins in the summer of 2003. Potvin would appear in 28 games with the Bruins however would not be re-signed by the club following the 2003-04 season.

NHL Totals: 635GP 266W 260L 85T 32SO 2.76GAA

The Bulls are pleased to select with their 4th draft pick, Center...Craig H. Janney.

One of the best puckhandlers and playmakers in the NHL, Craig Janney has averaged nearly a point per game in a little over 13 years of big league play. His creativity and knack for fooling defenders with an ability to find the open man made him one of the highest-scoring forwards in the 1990s.

Born In Hartford, Connecticut, Janney first gained fame as a high school star with Denfield Academy. He was chosen to play with the U.S. national team at the 1985 World Junior championships where he scored six points in seven games. He entered Boston College the next year, played again at the World juniors, and was drafted in first round, 13th overall, by the Boston Bruins in the 1986 NHL Entry Draft.

During the first year after being drafted, Janney exploded for 81 points in 37 games for Boston College. He was named to the Hockey East first all-star team and the NCAA East first All-American all-star team. The Bruins were anxious to get him into uniform but the Bruins felt that a year with the U.S. national team would be of greater benefit to him. Janney was one of the top scorers on the team during the 1987-88 pre-Olympic exhibition games. He played strongly at the Calgary Olympics, scoring six points in five matches although the team finished a disappointing seventh.

Following the Olympics, Janney stepped into the Boston lineup and averaged more than a point per game during the last 15 games of the season. He also played well and was a key factor in the Bruins' march to the 1988 Stanley Cup final where they succumbed to Edmonton. Although Janney's production was not as high as expected in 1988-89, his downtime was attributed to getting acclimatized to the long NHL season. He experienced injury problems in 1989-90 but was hot in the playoffs as the Bruins reached their second Stanley Cup final in three years.

Janney seemed to establish himself as a regular with 92 points in 1990-91 but his play was, at times, indifferent. He helped Team USA reach the Canada Cup final in 1991 and started the 1991-92 season in Boston. Later in the year he was traded to the St. Louis Blues for another playmaker, Adam Oates. It was hoped he would form a deadly partnership with Brett Hull and revitalize his career. In 1992-93 he registered a personal-high 106 points but was unable to sustain that offensive pace. In March 1994 he was traded to Vancouver as compensation for the Blues signing restricted free agent Petr Nedved. Janney refused to report and sat out a week until the two teams reached an agreement whereby he was traded back to St. Louis for a package of players.

Janney played well for the fourth place U.S. team at the 1994 World Championships but clashed with new St. Louis coach Mike Keenan in 1994-95. He was traded to San Jose where he spent parts of two seasons then shipped to the Winnipeg Jets late in 1995-96. He entered the record books that year as one of the last Jets as the team was transferred to Phoenix in the off-season. On the Coyotes, Janney's offensive magic clicked in spurts with power forward Keith Tkachuk. In January 1999 he was traded to the New York Islanders where he played 18 regular season matches before retiring.

NHL Totals 760GP 188G 563A 751P 170PIM

Also, I was wondering if we could switch Pavol Demitra's position to RW, because I recall him playing that position for a few years as well as centre?

seventieslord

01-18-2008, 10:01 PM

You can put Demitra wherever you like... just know that the other GMs will take that into consideration when passing judgement on your team.

I don't like Janney... i think he's as soft and one-dimensional as they come. Perfect first line center for this draft. Talented as hell. I could have seen myself drafting him in a couple rounds depending on who else got taken.

VanIslander

01-18-2008, 10:13 PM

You can put Demitra wherever you like... just know that the other GMs will take that into consideration when passing judgement on your team.
that's exactly how it works: a line with three centres would be about as effective as they were for team canada at the 1998 olympics: not! expect other g.m.s to discount player effectiveness out of position

i try to list on the first page the main position ever played, or significant time played at the position. demitra is a c/rw

chaosrevolver

01-18-2008, 10:20 PM

Alright but just so everyone knows. The 3 years I can recall Demitra playing RW. He combined for 213 Points in 204 Games. Far from bad.

seventieslord

01-18-2008, 10:39 PM

Just make sure you compensate for Janney on that line, and on the rest of the team!

I'm PMing my pick right now.

chaosrevolver

01-18-2008, 11:09 PM

Just make sure you compensate for Janney on that line, and on the rest of the team!

I'm PMing my pick right now.Mhmm will do. Still deciding where to fit everybody.

The_Hockey_Guy18

01-19-2008, 12:08 AM

The New York Americans select RW Rick Kehoe. More on the pick tomorrow morning.

PMing seventieslord now.

VanIslander

01-19-2008, 12:21 AM

Dysart listpicks Slava Kozlov

VanIslander

01-19-2008, 01:01 AM

Don't judge a goalie's career by how they do as a 35-year-old Blackhawk ;)

"In case you didn't believe the numbers goaltender Nikolai Khabibulin put up in Winnipeg last season and in the playoffs (when he singlehandedly kept the Jets in their series against the Red Wings), be prepared for more of the same from Khabibulin in Phoenix this season."
(The Sporting News Hockey Yearbook 1996-97, p. 13)

254 wins, 36 shutouts, a Stanley Cup :stanley:, all-star game participant (1998, 1999, 2002, 2003), won bronze and named tourney's top goalie of the 2002 Olympics, named IHL co-MVP when played half season there in NHL contract dispute holdout. NHL career .907 save percentage with higher playoff save percentage average of .922

On April 23, 2004, Nikolai became the fifteenth National Hockey League goaltender to record four shutouts in a single postseason with a 4-0 blanking of the Montreal Canadiens

Certainly not your typical European goalie. He doesn't sit back in the net. He challenges. Great glove hand. And he's durable. We haven't had much success against him so I really can't tell you how to beat him. If I knew, I'd do it myself." (Theoren Fleury, ESPN Sportszone, April 1998)

One of the world's finest netminders, Khabibulin's GAA dropped for five consecutive seasons and peaked at an all-time low of 2.13 two seasons ago in 1998-99. A workhorse, the Russian athlete is highly acrobatic... Loves to challenge shooters. Khabibulin's shills are still razor sharp." (The Sports Forecaster 2000-01, p. 208)

Finished eighth in voting (among ALL NHLers, not just goalies) for National Hockey League All-Star team, 1995-96.
http://www.hockeygoalies.org/bio/khabibulin.html

VanIslander

01-19-2008, 01:03 AM

The Nelson Leafs listpick goaltender John Hutton.

seventieslord

01-19-2008, 02:11 AM

Dysart listpicks Slava Kozlov

Thanks for making this pick for me. Slava Kozlov is a well-rounded and highly respected NHL veteran. He has proven to be a quality player at all stops in the NHL, no matter what role he is placed in. He has been effective as a second liner on a powerhouse, and as a first liner on an average team well into his 30's.

Kozlov's career playoff goals and points per game are higher than his regular season career averages, something that is rare for any player with so many games to accomplish. Kozlov thinks the game as well as anyone, and has earned the nickname "The Professor"

A centre with excellent speed, quickness, and scoring ability, Slava Kozlov was born in Voskresensk, USSR, Kozlov played with Khimik club for four years and competed against NHL clubs for the first time during the 1990-91 Friendly Tour in Moscow. He played for the USSR at European Junior Championships in 1990 where he was named the top forward and placed on the tournament all-star team. Kozlov scored 11 points in seven games when the USSR won silver at the World Junior Championships in 1990. That year he was also named the USSR Rookie-of-the-Year and was drafted 45th overall by the Detroit Red Wings.

Kozlov suited up for the senior national team when they won the bronze medal at the 1991 World Championships and competed in the Canada Cup later that year. He joined Detroit for seven games in 1991-92 then played most of 1992-93 in the AHL with the Adirondack Red Wings where he adjusted to the smaller ice surface and North American style of play.

Kozlov scored 34 goals in 77 games in his first full year in 1993-94 and helped the Wings register 100 points in the regular season. The talented forward became constant in the Wings' lineup. He cored 36 goals in 1995-96 and enjoyed solid post-seasons when Detroit won consecutive Stanley Cups in 1997 and 1998. Recently, Kozlov has been a solid two-way 20-goal producer for the Wings while they have remained near the top of the NHL standings.

After ten seasons in the Red Wings organization, Kozlov was traded to the Buffalo Sabres as part of a deal that saw Dominik Hasek head to Detroit. Kozlov spent one injury plagued season in Buffalo before being dealt to the Atlanta Thrashers just prior to the 2002-03 season. In his first season with the Thrashers, Kozlov reached the 70-point plateau for the first time since the 1995-96 season and continued to be one of the club's offensive leaders.

BM67

01-19-2008, 06:36 AM

The Renfrew Creamery Kings are pleased to add the Canucks leading scorer from the 07 playoffs, and solid all-around defender

John 'Bouse' Hutton,
Described as one of the top ‘all-around athletes’ of his time, Hutton backstopped the Silver Seven to 5 Stanley Cups, and was inducted into the HHOF in 1962.

"Legends of Hockey"
Hutton began his hockey career with Ottawa in 1898-99, playing in two games. He saw full-time duty the following year and by his third year he had backstopped the Ottawa squad to an undefeated season. His steady play continued, and in 1903 the Ottawa Hockey Club won the Stanley Cup and were christened the Silver Seven because of the silver coins bestowed upon the players commemorating their victory.

Bouse was again in the net as Ottawa successfully defended Cup challenges from the Winnipeg Rowing Club in January 1904, the Toronto Marlboros in February 1904, and Brandon in March 1904. It was during this time that Hutton played on three championship teams at the same time--hockey, football, and lacrosse.

Bouse Hutton was inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame in 1962.

Sakicfan

01-19-2008, 10:01 AM

The Moose Jaw Minuteman are pleased to select RW Andy Hebenton.

Before Doug Jarvis, Andy Hebenton was the Iron Man of the NHL. Including lengthy stints in the minors, he played 26 professional seasons from 1949-1975. When he finally cracked the New York Rangers lineup in 1955, he embarked on a remarkable string of 630 straight regular season games, racking up an impressive 189 goals and 202 assists.

Known as "Spud" because of his love for potatoes, Hebenton was a hard-working, clean player who averaged only nine penalty minutes per season. He won the Lady Byng trophy for gentlemanly play in 1957. He was also a five-time winner of the Fred J. Hume Cup as the most gentlemanly player of the WHL.

Hebenton's final NHL campaign took place with the Bruins in 1963-64. His rights were then traded to the Maple Leafs who dispatched him to the WHL where he played out his professional career with the Portland Buckeroos and the Victoria Cougars.

Hebenton had hopes of joining the WHA in 1975 although no invitations materialized. His son, Clay Hebenton, however, did play goal for the league with the Phoenix Roadrunners and the Houston Aeros. Hebenton retired from pro hockey in 1975.

Right-winger Rick Kehoe was equipped with excellent speed and a blazing shot. He played over 13 years in the NHL with Toronto and Pittsburgh and accounted for nearly 800 points.

Former winner of the Lady Byng trophy, he also trails only Lemieux and Jagr on the Penguins all-time scoring list, with 636 points in 11 seasons.

God Bless Canada

01-19-2008, 10:40 AM

The Belleville Bulls are extremely proud to select, with their 3rd Round Pick, Goaltender.... Felix Potvin.

As a Junior backstopper with the Chicoutimi Sagueneens of the QMJHL, Felix Potvin had the golden touch of an all-star. He led the league in shutouts for three years running; he was voted a second and first team all-star. He was chosen as the CHL Goaltender-of-the-Year; and, he made the Memorial Cup All-Star team and took home the Hap Emms Memorial Trophy as the top goaltender of the tournament. He then joined Team Canada to win a gold medal at the World Junior Championships.

Potvin was drafted in 1990 by the Toronto Maple Leafs. He spent his first pro season with their AHL affiliate in St. John's. That year, he won the Baz Bastien Memorial Trophy as the top goaltender of the AHL and the Dudley "Red" Garrett Memorial Trophy as the league's Rookie-of-the-Year. To top things off, he tended goal in four games for the Leafs who saw what they liked thus clearing the way for the club to dispense with Grant Fuhr in favour of their new rookie netminder.

In his early years with the Leafs, Potvin was a workhorse who, in his first big-league campaign, carried his club to the semi-finals where they eventually lost to Wayne Gretzky and his Los Angeles Kings. By the time he'd completed his six-year run with the Blue and White, Potvin had more games played and wins than all other Leafs stoppers except for Turk Broda and Johnny Bower. He set a club record, leading the league in games played with 74 during the 1996-97 season. During that campaign, he faced more shots than any goaltender in league history.

With the signing of free agent Curtis Joseph, Potvin saw the writing on the wall and the Leafs finally dealt him to the New York Islanders.

After a short stay with the Islanders, Potvin was sent to Vancouver where his stay was just as short as in New York. Following to sub-par seasons with New York and Vancouver, Potvin made a triumphant return to the NHL in 2000-01 with the Los Angeles Kings where he was workhouse for the team during their playoff run.

In 2001-02 Potvin played in 71 games with the Kings posting a 31-27-8 record along with 2.31 GAA before battling injuries throughout the 2002-03 season. After parts of three seasons with the Kings, Potvin was acquired by the Boston Bruins in the summer of 2003. Potvin would appear in 28 games with the Bruins however would not be re-signed by the club following the 2003-04 season.

NHL Totals: 635GP 266W 260L 85T 32SO 2.76GAA

The Bulls are pleased to select with their 4th draft pick, Center...Craig H. Janney.

One of the best puckhandlers and playmakers in the NHL, Craig Janney has averaged nearly a point per game in a little over 13 years of big league play. His creativity and knack for fooling defenders with an ability to find the open man made him one of the highest-scoring forwards in the 1990s.

Born In Hartford, Connecticut, Janney first gained fame as a high school star with Denfield Academy. He was chosen to play with the U.S. national team at the 1985 World Junior championships where he scored six points in seven games. He entered Boston College the next year, played again at the World juniors, and was drafted in first round, 13th overall, by the Boston Bruins in the 1986 NHL Entry Draft.

During the first year after being drafted, Janney exploded for 81 points in 37 games for Boston College. He was named to the Hockey East first all-star team and the NCAA East first All-American all-star team. The Bruins were anxious to get him into uniform but the Bruins felt that a year with the U.S. national team would be of greater benefit to him. Janney was one of the top scorers on the team during the 1987-88 pre-Olympic exhibition games. He played strongly at the Calgary Olympics, scoring six points in five matches although the team finished a disappointing seventh.

Following the Olympics, Janney stepped into the Boston lineup and averaged more than a point per game during the last 15 games of the season. He also played well and was a key factor in the Bruins' march to the 1988 Stanley Cup final where they succumbed to Edmonton. Although Janney's production was not as high as expected in 1988-89, his downtime was attributed to getting acclimatized to the long NHL season. He experienced injury problems in 1989-90 but was hot in the playoffs as the Bruins reached their second Stanley Cup final in three years.

Janney seemed to establish himself as a regular with 92 points in 1990-91 but his play was, at times, indifferent. He helped Team USA reach the Canada Cup final in 1991 and started the 1991-92 season in Boston. Later in the year he was traded to the St. Louis Blues for another playmaker, Adam Oates. It was hoped he would form a deadly partnership with Brett Hull and revitalize his career. In 1992-93 he registered a personal-high 106 points but was unable to sustain that offensive pace. In March 1994 he was traded to Vancouver as compensation for the Blues signing restricted free agent Petr Nedved. Janney refused to report and sat out a week until the two teams reached an agreement whereby he was traded back to St. Louis for a package of players.

Janney played well for the fourth place U.S. team at the 1994 World Championships but clashed with new St. Louis coach Mike Keenan in 1994-95. He was traded to San Jose where he spent parts of two seasons then shipped to the Winnipeg Jets late in 1995-96. He entered the record books that year as one of the last Jets as the team was transferred to Phoenix in the off-season. On the Coyotes, Janney's offensive magic clicked in spurts with power forward Keith Tkachuk. In January 1999 he was traded to the New York Islanders where he played 18 regular season matches before retiring.

NHL Totals 760GP 188G 563A 751P 170PIM

Also, I was wondering if we could switch Pavol Demitra's position to RW, because I recall him playing that position for a few years as well as centre?
Demitra has actually played all three positions.

I think this is the first time that Janney has been drafted. He's a world class playmaker, he might be the best in the draft. But he's also soft, and a liability in the locker room. Not a good team player.

I wouldn't try Janney and Demitra on the same line. That line would have terrific skill, but they'd be really soft and suseptible to a line, defence pairing or five-man unit with a good physical presence. I don't think there's an LW available who could give that line enough of a presence for them to succeed.

ck26

01-19-2008, 10:45 AM

I don't think there's an LW available who could give that line enough of a presence for them to succeed.... and there hasn't been since the 30th overall pick ... Ted Lindsay.

I had my eye on Janney, because he is a great playmaker. Nice pick.

God Bless Canada

01-19-2008, 10:47 AM

... and there hasn't been since the 30th overall pick ... Ted Lindsay.

I had my eye on Janney, because he is a great playmaker. Nice pick.
Shanahan. Dickie Moore. Kevin Stevens. Maybe Gary Roberts. Guys like that could make that line succeed. But those are top notch power forwards/grinders/physical wingers with a scoring touch.

God Bless Canada

01-19-2008, 10:55 AM

Horvath is not the kind of player i'd expect you to pick. I think of him as a one year wonder with absolutely no defensive conscience. Although defensive responsibilty isn't a must for a 1st liner.
He wasn't a one-year wonder. He scored at almost a point-per-game clip in 1958, at a time when there weren't many guys at a point-per-game. He had 39 points in 45 games the following year (missed the start of the year with a broken jaw. Scored at nearly a 50-point pace in 1961 and 1962, at a time when 50 points was pretty damn impressive.

We have Balon and Balfour to be his defensive consciences, not to mention open up room for him with their speed, skill and physical play.

Horvath is the best offensive centre in this draft. You can't teach offence.

MXD

01-19-2008, 11:02 AM

He wasn't a one-year wonder. He scored at almost a point-per-game clip in 1958, at a time when there weren't many guys at a point-per-game. He had 39 points in 45 games the following year (missed the start of the year with a broken jaw. Scored at nearly a 50-point pace in 1961 and 1962, at a time when 50 points was pretty damn impressive.

We have Balon and Balfour to be his defensive consciences, not to mention open up room for him with their speed, skill and physical play.

Horvath is the best offensive centre in this draft. You can't teach offence.

One thing about Horvath... Good player. Cannot do all alone offensively, though. Whether Balon and Balfour are supportive enough offensively is user's choice IMO.

Horvath isn't the top offensive C of this draft. This said, I wouldn't have touched the best offensive C with a 10-foot-pole... So maybe he's the best DRAFTABLE offensive C of this draft...

The Cincinati Stingers selects a player that went in ATD-7, that will bring A LOT of things as the go-to guy on defense. His 61 pts in 79 playoffs game are one of the most interesting ratios amongst D-Mens left.

BRAD MAXWELL

Spitfire11

01-19-2008, 12:47 PM

The Cincinati Stingers selects a player that went in ATD-7, that will bring A LOT of things as the go-to guy on defense. His 61 pts in 79 playoffs game are one of the most interesting ratios amongst D-Mens left.

BRAD MAXWELL

Well that makes my next pick a whole lot easier.

MXD

01-19-2008, 12:50 PM

Well that makes my next pick a whole lot easier.

Don't forget one thing.... We're picking ahead of you :)

Transplanted Caper

01-19-2008, 01:02 PM

Received our PM. I'm looking at some final candidates right now. But with my co-GM offline we may use the majority of our time. Sorry folks.

Spitfire11

01-19-2008, 01:10 PM

Don't forget one thing.... We're picking ahead of you :)

Yeah, I actually think someone else is going to take the player I'm eyeing next but who knows.

A 'big 3' of Barkley-Awrey-Maxwell would have been pretty cool.

seventieslord

01-19-2008, 02:26 PM

One thing about Horvath... Good player. Cannot do all alone offensively, though. Whether Balon and Balfour are supportive enough offensively is user's choice IMO.

Horvath isn't the top offensive C of this draft. This said, I wouldn't have touched the best offensive C with a 10-foot-pole... So maybe he's the best DRAFTABLE offensive C of this draft...

I think I am thinking of the same one.... the only one with over 400 adjusted goals. I noticed he wasn't drafted in the last MLD either. That surprised me. I mean, sure, if he's "The Guy" that team goes nowhere, but in this context, in the right surroundings, couldn't he be a highly talented 2nd line center who is not relied on for two-way play or leadership?

MXD

01-19-2008, 02:30 PM

I think I am thinking of the same one.... the only one with over 400 adjusted goals. I noticed he wasn't drafted in the last MLD either. That surprised me. I mean, sure, if he's "The Guy" that team goes nowhere, but in this context, in the right surroundings, couldn't he be a highly talented 2nd line center who is not relied on for two-way play or leadership?

Well, the one I was thinking about was drafted the last MLD, but there can be others as well.

God Bless Canada

01-19-2008, 03:22 PM

One thing about Horvath... Good player. Cannot do all alone offensively, though. Whether Balon and Balfour are supportive enough offensively is user's choice IMO.

Horvath isn't the top offensive C of this draft. This said, I wouldn't have touched the best offensive C with a 10-foot-pole... So maybe he's the best DRAFTABLE offensive C of this draft...
Balon is definitely good enough offensively. Had a top 10 scoring finish with the Rangers. Led the 68 playoffs in assists. And when he had that top 10 finish in scoring, he did it on a line with Walt Tkaczuk that was also expected to shut down the opposition's best players.

Balfour was good enough to be the RW on one of the best lines in history.

Keep in mind that both players were diagnosed with conditions that would eventually kill them. Balon had MS. He put up 60 points, while playing that fearless, two-way game, the year before the condition drained him of his speed and endurance. Balfour was feeling the effects of cancer in 63-64, when he was 27. He would have seen his numbers skyrocket in the post-expansion NHL. Excellent grit and really good skill.

vancityluongo

01-19-2008, 03:53 PM

Received our PM. I'm looking at some final candidates right now. But with my co-GM offline we may use the majority of our time. Sorry folks.

Vancouver Giants select D Yevgeny Paladiev.

Yevgeny Paladiev (born May 12, 1948 in Ust-Kamenogorsk, Russia) is a retired ice hockey player who played in the Soviet Hockey League. He played for HC Spartak Moscow. He was inducted into the Russian and Soviet Hockey Hall of Fame in 1969

A fast, versatile, consistent and productive skater, he played center at North Dakota, defense at Lake Placid and right wing in his various ports of call in the NHL. Went to the finals with the Bruins, captained the Jets, played in two Canada Cups and is all-things considered one of the best players in this draft.

The Edina Hornets are proud to select, from Warroad, Minnesota ...

Dave Christian

VanIslander

01-19-2008, 04:48 PM

A fast, versatile, consistent and productive skater, he played center at North Dakota, defense at Lake Placid and right wing in his various ports of call in the NHL. Went to the finals with the Bruins, captained the Jets, played in two Canada Cups and is all-things considered one of the best players in this draft.

From Warroad, Minnesota ...

Dave Christian
Dave Christian was a RIGHT WINGER in pro hockey so expect a heavy dose of scepticism regarding his offensive numbers if you put him in any other position. His versatility as a stopgap measure at other positions in cases of injury or short term penalty trouble is a bonus to the depth of your line-up. I always look at a line-up and imagine how it'd do when two players at any position are injured/suspended/in the box.

MXD

01-19-2008, 04:50 PM

Dave Christian was a RIGHT WINGER in pro hockey so expect a heavy dose of scepticism regarding his offensive numbers if you put him in any other position.

Actually, here in Cincinati, we thought of Dave Christian as a potentially solid 2nd line RW.

VanIslander

01-19-2008, 04:52 PM

Actually, here in Cincinati, we thought of Dave Christian as a potentially solid 2nd line RW.
Yeah. Here in McGill he was third on the shortlist for 2nd line RW.

Diving Pokecheck*

01-19-2008, 04:55 PM

good pick... I was looking at Christian as Well.

seventieslord

01-19-2008, 04:59 PM

A fast, versatile, consistent and productive skater, he played center at North Dakota, defense at Lake Placid and right wing in his various ports of call in the NHL. Went to the finals with the Bruins, captained the Jets, played in two Canada Cups and is all-things considered one of the best players in this draft.

From Warroad, Minnesota ...

Dave Christian

Yes, he is. I wanted him next.

chaosrevolver

01-19-2008, 05:53 PM

As did I for our last pick. Between him and Janney.

Evil Speaker

01-19-2008, 07:12 PM

The Boston Cubs select two-way left winger that finished in the top ten in goals three times, Vic Stasiuk. We will also add the 7th highest scoring defenseman of the 1970's, Dick Redmond.

ck26

01-19-2008, 07:21 PM

Soft hands, great playmaker who has grown into a solid two-way center during his time in the NHL. BCJHL rookie of the year, NHL rookie of the year. His teams have won two Stanley Cups and three Wales trophies, and he played a significant role in each and every one of them. Glen Sather could give you 51,500,000 reasons why he's the guy you want to build your team around.

The Edina Hornets are proud to select, from Anchorage, Alaska ...

Scott Gomez

God Bless Canada

01-19-2008, 07:31 PM

The Boston Cubs select two-way left winger that finished in the top ten in goals twice, Vic Stasiuk. We will also add the 7th highest scoring defenseman of the 1970's, Dick Redmond.
Great picks, E-Speak. Stasiuk was part of the Uke Line with Bucyk and Horvath in Boston. Four really good seasons as part of that line. Good combo of skill and grit. Redmond is one of the best offensive defencemen in the draft.

Transplanted Caper

01-19-2008, 07:44 PM

Okay, this hasn't been confirmed by my co-GM, but I want to make this pick in case there's another board hiccu the Vancouver Giants are pleased to select.

http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/nhl/washington/gustafssonWas.JPG

Bengt-Ake Gustafsson

Bengt Ake Gustafsson was a sturdy and powerful forward with a broad chest and short legs that made him hard to knock down in a skirmish. He always skated upright, never losing sight of the puck and ignoring the opposition's hits and hooks.

Gustafsson was a natural leader and his teammates took their cues from him. Born in Karlskoga, Sweden, he made his debut with the local hockey club and then joined Farjestad. His commitment to hockey is evidenced by a successful 20 year playing career both at home and abroad. He remains one of Sweden's most renowned hockey players.

After the 1979 World Championship in Moscow, Gustafsson was invited to Canada to play for the Edmonton Oilers. He also appeared in a number of WHA playoff games with future star Wayne Gretzky.

In 1986, while he was playing for the Washington Capitals, an injured knee forced him to return to Sweden. He was 30 years old and not about to let the injury end his career. He started over again, joining the minor league Bofors, Farjestad's farm club. There he re-established himself as a speedy forward but wasn't invited to join the national team. Tre Kronor's head coach at the time, Leif Bork, didn't think he was fit enough, but his replacement, veteran coach Tommy Sandlin, had a different opinion and recruited Gustafsson. It turned out to be a prophetic decision.

At the 1987 World Championship in Vienna, Tre Kronor captured the gold after a 25-year interruption. Gustafsson was one of the team's key players. The veteran's performance attracted the attention of Washington Capitals managers and Gustafsson returned to the NHL to play for two more seasons. The Swede is still considered one of the Capitals' all-time best forwards.

MXD

01-19-2008, 07:56 PM

The Boston Cubs select two-way left winger that finished in the top ten in goals three times, Vic Stasiuk. We will also add the 7th highest scoring defenseman of the 1970's, Dick Redmond.

About time for Stasiuk!
Actually, I thought you were picking the guy I'll pick in a few seconds, if I can just figure out how to post it.

Diving Pokecheck*

01-19-2008, 07:59 PM

no it doesn't :shakehead

God Bless Canada

01-19-2008, 08:02 PM

no it doesn't :shakehead
I actually had an easier time finding out his pick than when he used that bright yellow font on a white background. Jim Henry is an excellent pick.

Diving Pokecheck*

01-19-2008, 08:03 PM

I can't see it.

vancityluongo

01-19-2008, 08:05 PM

I can't see it.

Me neither.

MXD

01-19-2008, 08:06 PM

The Stingers are trying to select Sugar Jim Henry

Diving Pokecheck*

01-19-2008, 08:06 PM

i would like to very humbly request that you display your pick in a normal manner.:)

Prystai joined the NHL in 1947 with the Chicago Blackhawks. He was excited to join fellow Saskatchewan natives Max and Doug Bentley. But Prystai lasted only three seasons with the Hawks when he was traded to the Detroit Red Wings. Feeling that Chicago was on the rise, he was sorry to leave until he realized the lineup he was joining and winning prospects awaiting him in the Motor City. There, he skated with Ted Lindsay and Gordie Howe. He then settled in for much of his time on the checking line with Marty Pavelich and Tony Leswick.

The most exciting event of his career came when, in 1952, the Wings swept the entire playoffs, winning all eight contests, four against Toronto and four against Montreal. Terry Sawchuk had four shutouts as the Wings never gave up a goal in their own rink. As for Prystai, he scored two goals and an assist in the final game.

About time for Stasiuk!
Actually, I thought you were picking the guy I'll pick in a few seconds, if I can just figure out how to post it.

It was really hard for me to not pick Henry.

God Bless Canada

01-19-2008, 08:16 PM

The Phoenix Roadrunners select their shutdown centerman, Metro Prystai
http://www.legendsofhockey.net:8080/LegendsOfHockey/gallery/000002/000000563.jpg
Son of an (explitive). raleh is gong to be ticked. We had him pegged for our fifth round pick.

The class of defensive forwards in the ATD. Maybe the most valuable forward in the draft, when you consider all he brings to the table. Three time Cup champ. Two-time 50-point forward. (At a time when only a couple players got a point-per-game). He's better than at least a quarter of the defensive centres picked in the main draft.

Diving Pokecheck*

01-19-2008, 08:39 PM

there is nothing more gratifying then to be called a son of a ***** by another GM.
Players 'stolen':
Pavel Datsyuk
Brian Rafalski
Harry Hyland
Dave Christian

ck26

01-19-2008, 08:45 PM

there is nothing more gratifying then to be called a son of a ***** by another GM.
Players 'stolen':
Pavel Datsyuk
Brian Rafalski
Harry Hyland
Dave ChristianEDINA IS WINNING!!!

Diving Pokecheck*

01-19-2008, 08:46 PM

EDINA IS WINNING!!!
Bravo.

MXD

01-19-2008, 08:46 PM

EDINA IS WINNING!!!

2-2. I must type this sentence as the original message had only 4 characters.

Sakicfan

01-19-2008, 09:38 PM

The Moose Jaw Minutemen select a five time All Star player, LW Ed Sandford.

BM67

01-19-2008, 10:19 PM

The Renfrew Creamery Kings are pleased to add a large presence up the middle in the player who scored the OT winner to bring the Cup to New Jersey in 2000

Jason Arnott (http://nhlpa.com/WebStats/PlayerBiography.asp?ID=141)

Jason Arnott is a Stanley Cup champion, having won a playoff championship in 2000 with the New Jersey Devils. Jason entered the 2005-06 season with more than 600 career points (regular season and playoffs) with three different teams: the Edmonton Oilers, New Jersey Devils, and Dallas Stars. He has played in one mid-season All-Star Game (1997) and has won four division titles (1998, 1999, 2001, 2003).

In the playoffs, he has won two Prince of Wales Trophies (2000 and 2001). As a pro sophomore in 1994-95, he won the Zane Feldman Trophy as the Oilers' most valuable player. One year earlier, he was an NHL All-Rookie Team forward with 33 goals as a teenage freshman. He scored his first goal in his NHL debut on Oct. 6, 1993, less than four months after being selected seventh overall in the NHL Entry Draft.

papershoes

01-19-2008, 10:22 PM

The Renfrew Creamery Kings are pleased to add a large presence up the middle in the player who scored the OT winner to bring the Cup to New Jersey in 2000

Jason Arnott (http://nhlpa.com/WebStats/PlayerBiography.asp?ID=141)

wow...
the nelson leafs were going to take arnott with our next pick.
i'll post our new pick in a couple minutes.

ck26

01-19-2008, 10:24 PM

Jason ArnottDrafted 400ish in ATD7, which was absurd, but this is a nice place for him. A bit of a poor man's John LeClair -- big guy with plus skills, but never as dominant or as physical as he should be. Who he skates with will be huge. Pretty nice pick.

ck26

01-19-2008, 10:28 PM

Ed SandfordAnother nice pick. Got traded for Metro Prystai, who got picked a few slots ago. Any LW who can score a little bit is valuable at this point.

papershoes

01-19-2008, 10:38 PM

With their next pick, the Nelson Leafs select an excellent two-way forward, and the 1990 Selke Award winner (besting three-time winner Guy Carbonneau)...

Rick Meagher (C)

A quick centre who could check diligently and create scoring chances, Rick Meagher played nearly 700 NHL games for four different clubs. His best years came with the St. Louis Blues in the 1980s.

Born in Belleville, Ontario, Meagher was signed as a free agent by the Montreal Canadiens after a stellar four-year career with Boston University. The tricky pivot was named to the ECAC first and second all-star teams twice each, placed on the NCAA championship all-tournament team in 1977, and was a three-time NCAA East first team All-American.

A trade to the St. Louis Blues in August 1985, allowed Meagher to find his niche as a big leaguer. Playing behind star playmaker Bernie Federko, he was allowed to play his exemplary two-way game while becoming one of the top penalty killers in the league. His excellent work helped the Blues come within a game of reaching the Stanley Cup finals in 1986. In 1990, Meagher's value was recognized when he won the Frank J. Selke trophy as the NHL's best defensive forward.

...his skating game made him an ideal candidate for a checking centre. During 1989-90, RICK MEAGHER scored just eight goals and 17 assists, but his worth was measured in intangibles like diligence, shutting down opposing forwards and heart.
The next GM has been PM'd

Evil Speaker

01-19-2008, 10:52 PM

Damn, I really wanted Meagher as my checking line center. Nice pick.

seventieslord

01-19-2008, 11:22 PM

All my guys are being taken.

I thought I'd get Arnott for sure. He'd have been perfect for the first line center spot to compensate for Kozlov's lack of size. I'm going to have to dig deep for another.

Meagher would have been my defensive specialist. I'm lost now.

God Bless Canada

01-19-2008, 11:32 PM

All my guys are being taken.

I thought I'd get Arnott for sure. He'd have been perfect for the first line center spot to compensate for Kozlov's lack of size. I'm going to have to dig deep for another.

Meagher would have been my defensive specialist. I'm lost now.
I don't think Arnott's a first line centre at all. Maybe if you find the right coach. He had the potential to be a perennial 40-goal threat, and he has the shot to convert Kozlov's passes, but the guy is just too lazy.

Expecting a guy with one 70-point season (in a contract year), one 60-point season, zero 50-assist seasons, and two 30-goal seasons, to be a first-line centre, when playing an 82-game season, even in a minor league draft, is expecting way too much.

God Bless Canada

01-19-2008, 11:39 PM

Thirteen picks today. Good work gentlemen, although I am a little concerned by the number of GMs who were on-line tonight. We really, really need a life.

The rookies might find it hard to believe, but this is about the pace we need to set. We should be finishing nearly a round per day.