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Wed, 16 Apr 2014 19:10:07 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=303370#comment-2832569[…] news: The inimitable Gary Payton has an opinion or two on the current crop of NBA floor generals. GP gives Chris Paul, Tony Parker […]
]]>By: Wut wuthttp://www.slamonline.com/media/slam-tv/gary-payton-dislikes-basically-everything-about-the-nba-today-video/#comment-2810190
Sun, 02 Feb 2014 07:49:00 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=303370#comment-2810190Nail meet Head, Head meet Nail. I agree Harden is an NBA made superstar. The Rockets are an NBA made team. As are the thunder and Heat.
]]>By: Marcus Sikvayugakhttp://www.slamonline.com/media/slam-tv/gary-payton-dislikes-basically-everything-about-the-nba-today-video/#comment-2805054
Fri, 17 Jan 2014 00:40:00 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=303370#comment-2805054to my knowledge? no. i haven’t.
]]>By: nbkhttp://www.slamonline.com/media/slam-tv/gary-payton-dislikes-basically-everything-about-the-nba-today-video/#comment-2804739
Thu, 16 Jan 2014 16:03:00 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=303370#comment-2804739on average, league wide, shooting is better. every single piece of evidence supports that the whole of the NBA is better at just about every skill then the previous generation outside of shooting mid range jump shots. you can list the greatest shooters of all time like that somehow contradicts what i said…..but it really really doesn’t.

“– Reggie Miller who came in 3rd in 93-94, wouldn’t crack the top 10 today.”

- that’s the point. the specialist back in the day could hang with the shooters today sure, but there was not an overwhelming number of them. and after those few specialist, the rest of the league paled in comparison to today.

just look at that list you posted, 12 of those 20 players play right now. you posted a list of the greatest shooters of all time, the 3pt line has been around since 1981, and over half of the greatest 3pt shooters every by % play right at this very moment. And the further you go down the list, the more polluted the list gets with current players.

As a whole, shooting has improved.
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And you really don’t understand how isolation basketball was king? you are from Chicago, and grew up in the 90s, and can’t see how isolation was such a useful weapon in those days? that’s cute.

Those name include players from different eras. What your doing is picking and choosing stats. There is 0 proof that nowadays players are better shooters, they don’t shoot under the same pretenses as players from yesteryear and as a result did not need to develop some of the skills the players nowadays have to develop.

You may not like the brand of bball played in the previous generation but your cosigning on athleticism and three pt shooting…and injury upon injury upon injury.

Kevin Garnett told me he could play defense on anyone. after he couldn’t stop me he started to play rough. i jumped and slammed my shoulder to his chin while shooting. trash talk started.

he then told me he knew some killas. i slammed him against a wall, put my elbow to his throat and told him if he ever told me or anyone i considered a teammate i’d break his leg. stephon marbury tried to get me off him. i slammed his head against the floor. looked into Garnetts face. told he’ll know another killa if starbury tried to get between me and garnett. all i had to do was slam starburys head one more time.

i was 15 when this happened.

my statement still stands. if a defender can stop the offensive player from scoring and uses scare tactics, the individual or the team defense is poor when they decide it’s time to stop playing legitimate defense and look to physically harm anyone they cant stop.

i’ll never play dirty or look to injure anyone. the only time i start to bend the rules is when another player plays dirty on me.

]]>By: Jeromehttp://www.slamonline.com/media/slam-tv/gary-payton-dislikes-basically-everything-about-the-nba-today-video/#comment-2804510
Wed, 15 Jan 2014 19:17:00 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=303370#comment-2804510So glad he pointed to a lack of elite PGs. There are some very athletic PGs, but only about four elite … love that he forgot one of their names. Any guesses who that might be? It’s not Irving or Curry cuz they don’t play D.
]]>By: Jeromehttp://www.slamonline.com/media/slam-tv/gary-payton-dislikes-basically-everything-about-the-nba-today-video/#comment-2804508
Wed, 15 Jan 2014 19:13:00 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=303370#comment-2804508I think it’s more people can’t score than better defence. Zone wasn’t allowed either.
]]>By: nbkhttp://www.slamonline.com/media/slam-tv/gary-payton-dislikes-basically-everything-about-the-nba-today-video/#comment-2804502
Wed, 15 Jan 2014 18:57:00 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=303370#comment-2804502as i said, every other number shows that players are more skilled.

3pt shooting % is up. 3pt shot attempts is up.

- so both aspects of shooting that would indicate that players in general have improved is up.

- Turnovers are down.

- Fouls are down

- FG% around the basket is down.

- I mean, everything points to it just being flat out harder to score around the basket.

- you could make an argument that bigs in general are less skilled offensively if you want. but then i’d ask you to define “bigs” —- Kevin Durant in 1990 would be a power forward. Dirk would probably play Center. Those guys are way way way more skilled than any bigs that played in those days outside of Hakeem Olajuwon. But regardless, i cosign that Centers nowadays are less offensively skilled than in the 90s.

- but players in general? today the gap is enormous. our “bad” teams now a days that everyone complains about look like all star teams compared to the “bad teams” in the 90s.

just for example, the best player on the 1995 LA Clippers was “Loy Vaught” …… do you even know who that is? have you ever even heard of that basketball player?

]]>By: nbkhttp://www.slamonline.com/media/slam-tv/gary-payton-dislikes-basically-everything-about-the-nba-today-video/#comment-2804497
Wed, 15 Jan 2014 18:36:00 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=303370#comment-2804497- Yep, in the 80s and 90s great shooters were specialist. Now, in this era, being a good/great shooter is a requirement if you are NOT a specialist. And those guys that are shooting “specialist” make the old “specialist” look “meh”

Look at the leaders,

Dan Majerle led the league in 3pt Field Goals in 1993-94 —> he hit 192 of 503 attempts (38%)

Steph Curry led the league in 3pt Field Goals in 2012-13 —> he hit 272 of 600 attempts (45%)

Now look at a “specialist”

Tracy Murray led the league in 3pt % in 1993-94 —> he hit 50 of 109 attempts (46%)
BJ Armstrong came in second —> 60 of 135 attempts (44%)

Jose Calderon led the league in 3pt % in 2012-13 —> he hit 130 of 282 attempts (46%)
Kyle Korver came in second —> 189 of 414 attempts (46%)

– Reggie Miller who came in 3rd in 93-94, wouldn’t crack the top 10 today.

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the use of the 3pt shot increased it’s use in 1993-94, and was the catalyst to Houston winning their first (and second) championship. From that point onward, 3pt attempts were ramped up league wide.

For example, in 1994-1995, the league average 3pt attempts per team jumped to 15.3 —-> before that, league average 3pt attempts per team never eclipsed 10 —- this was still 2 years before Illegal Defense was abolished. So no, this was not an aspect of the rule changes, but a part of the natural evolution of the sport. Teams became smarter about how they distributed their shots. It’s natural, every sport goes through changes that make their teams more effective, it goes hand in hand with the increased popularity, and dearth of available talent around the world.
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Then, the rule’s changed because they were bad for the sport and promoted isolation/selfish basketball, and deemphasized team play.
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Like individualistic basketball if you want, but i prefer watching a team sport played as a team sport.

]]>By: Bronx Ballahhttp://www.slamonline.com/media/slam-tv/gary-payton-dislikes-basically-everything-about-the-nba-today-video/#comment-2804437
Wed, 15 Jan 2014 17:03:00 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=303370#comment-2804437I could definately tell you’re a suburbanite or never played with those sissified remarks.
]]>By: LANATIONhttp://www.slamonline.com/media/slam-tv/gary-payton-dislikes-basically-everything-about-the-nba-today-video/#comment-2804405
Wed, 15 Jan 2014 15:16:00 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=303370#comment-2804405of course it was tougher back then….and this era’s flopping proves that. No one in the league right now can handle contact. If you watch payton and kemp play, you’ll notice how many times they get hand checked, pulled down, shoved, etc. but still play through the contact. Today’s players barely get slapped on the wrist and they either flop or go whining to the ref about the no call. Today’s league is weak and it’s only gonna get worse.
]]>By: Dfrancehttp://www.slamonline.com/media/slam-tv/gary-payton-dislikes-basically-everything-about-the-nba-today-video/#comment-2804402
Wed, 15 Jan 2014 15:10:00 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=303370#comment-2804402Yeah you must not watch much football. All the old players do is talk about how soft the league is now.
]]>By: ppossehttp://www.slamonline.com/media/slam-tv/gary-payton-dislikes-basically-everything-about-the-nba-today-video/#comment-2804400
Wed, 15 Jan 2014 15:04:00 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=303370#comment-2804400If you look at any seasons that don’t fall in that 94-95/96-97 window the % even with the enormous gap in attempts, supports that today’s shooters are better. – No it doesnt. All it shows me is that its is expected of every guy nowadays to work on their 3 pt shooting whereas back in the GP times only specific players were three pt specialists. There are enough guys from the 80′s and 90′s on the all time list above 40% to support that claim.

Different skill set for different times. And the different skill sets is based around the rules of the game, specifically hand checking and zone defenses.

This has nothing to do with evolution of the sport. The game didn’t diversify it simply changed due to the rules!

Personally i like to see mid range post moves, mid range jumpers, and guys playing with that ‘fire’ which comes from guys trying to get physical with you when they are guarding you, blow bys and in your face dunks cause the C can’t rotate fast enough to cover the bucket..not 3 pt chuckers or super efficient team ball finding gaps and passes to break zone defenses. The most exciting moves nowadays are guards splitting defenses.

]]>By: Mike From Spainhttp://www.slamonline.com/media/slam-tv/gary-payton-dislikes-basically-everything-about-the-nba-today-video/#comment-2804385
Wed, 15 Jan 2014 12:30:00 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=303370#comment-2804385Lack of elite PG play???
]]>By: 80http://www.slamonline.com/media/slam-tv/gary-payton-dislikes-basically-everything-about-the-nba-today-video/#comment-2804383
Wed, 15 Jan 2014 10:15:00 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=303370#comment-2804383Yeah, you always go through the stats and try to explain it all with numbers. Maybe numbers show scoring is now more difficult, but maybe players are less skilled. If the Dwight Howard is the best center in the league today that makes a lot of sense.
]]>By: King Davidhttp://www.slamonline.com/media/slam-tv/gary-payton-dislikes-basically-everything-about-the-nba-today-video/#comment-2804374
Wed, 15 Jan 2014 05:03:00 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=303370#comment-2804374hes absolutely right ! thats why lebron sucks !
]]>By: nbkhttp://www.slamonline.com/media/slam-tv/gary-payton-dislikes-basically-everything-about-the-nba-today-video/#comment-2804373
Wed, 15 Jan 2014 03:46:00 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=303370#comment-2804373If you look at any seasons that don’t fall in that 94-95/96-97 window the % even with the enormous gap in attempts, supports that today’s shooters are better.
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The 3pt shot has grown as a weapon simply because it is a better option then a lot of the shots “old school” players chose to take. It’s the evolution of the sport. Of course you are right, the ancient crappy defenses and rules didn’t force teams to shoot as many 3′s, but there is still a noticeable gap in overall shooting skill, as long as you aren’t looking at the past from a nostalgic perspective.
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And as you said comparing 3pt attempts has variables that may slant the numbers, but so do other things in other era’s. for example Jordan’s fabled 30ppg career average – likely just flat wouldn’t be possible in today’s game. Not for a career.
]]>By: LP @ThisisEtherhttp://www.slamonline.com/media/slam-tv/gary-payton-dislikes-basically-everything-about-the-nba-today-video/#comment-2804372
Wed, 15 Jan 2014 03:09:00 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=303370#comment-2804372They actually do it MORE in the NFL, and they have a right to do so also……older players bash the entire NFL culture… Can’t really hit like you used too, and inflated passing stats
]]>By: Tobias Fernandezhttp://www.slamonline.com/media/slam-tv/gary-payton-dislikes-basically-everything-about-the-nba-today-video/#comment-2804366
Wed, 15 Jan 2014 01:46:00 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=303370#comment-2804366Well he is right. Why do u think there are no real rivalries in the NBA no more? NBA is soft plain and simple.
]]>By: David Personhttp://www.slamonline.com/media/slam-tv/gary-payton-dislikes-basically-everything-about-the-nba-today-video/#comment-2804359
Wed, 15 Jan 2014 00:27:00 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=303370#comment-2804359The NBA is the only league where former players bash the players of today every time they get in front of a camera. When was the last time you guys heard Steve Young take a shot at the NFL or Randy Johnson take a swipe at MLB. I just don’t get. Compared to the days of the early 2000s when offenses consisted of a players going one on one the league is in a much better place.
]]>By: ppossehttp://www.slamonline.com/media/slam-tv/gary-payton-dislikes-basically-everything-about-the-nba-today-video/#comment-2804355
Tue, 14 Jan 2014 23:20:00 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=303370#comment-2804355for example hand checking disallows and hinders offensive players from shooting threes meanwhile zone defenses encourages players to shoot threes so ofcourse there are going to be more 3pa.
]]>By: nbkhttp://www.slamonline.com/media/slam-tv/gary-payton-dislikes-basically-everything-about-the-nba-today-video/#comment-2804353
Tue, 14 Jan 2014 23:15:00 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=303370#comment-2804353Because there is no difference when people list individual stats, why would I not? You can’t say “Michael Jordan is the best player ever” while also saying “it’s pointless to compare eras”
]]>By: ppossehttp://www.slamonline.com/media/slam-tv/gary-payton-dislikes-basically-everything-about-the-nba-today-video/#comment-2804352
Tue, 14 Jan 2014 23:13:00 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=303370#comment-2804352the rules changed therefore the game changed why compare seasons that go by different rules?
]]>By: TBRKhttp://www.slamonline.com/media/slam-tv/gary-payton-dislikes-basically-everything-about-the-nba-today-video/#comment-2804345
Tue, 14 Jan 2014 22:36:00 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=303370#comment-2804345honestly I’ve felt like some higher powers have been sabotaging the game of basketball for some time. Good basketball is hard to find these days when the winners are guys like Erik Spoelstra. Guys like Poppovich is are the last of a dying breed of basketball coaches.
Even look at the NCAA, why is Duke and UNC playing such different brands of ball, why are both Coach K and Roy Williams consistently recruiting blue chip talent and underachieving, and playing this blah style of ball.
Jerry Colangelo, and his henchmen, in 2005 initiated a master plan to sabotage the game of basketball in the US….watching way too many conspiracy videos on youtube lately, sorry….but seriously
]]>By: playahttp://www.slamonline.com/media/slam-tv/gary-payton-dislikes-basically-everything-about-the-nba-today-video/#comment-2804346
Tue, 14 Jan 2014 22:36:00 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=303370#comment-2804346Saw this before on espn, the man is right unfortunately, i was afraid some time ago that nba will become a more athletic euroleague…https://www.google.pl/search?q=and+so+it+begins+gif&client=firefox-a&hs=HXt&rls=org.mozilla:pl:official&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=irvVUofpHsfX4ATAwoCwBQ&ved=0CC8QsAQ&biw=1280&bih=525#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=Mf9CMfJrYWfhwM%253A%3BVEGyr-0ovMK2BM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fs2.quickmeme.com%252Fimg%252F67%252F67616bf23142ff31a94919bb3b84ca87f3566cc3bc38dffdba74e08deceec458.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.quickmeme.com%252Fmeme%252F36kts3%3B500%3B335
]]>By: nbkhttp://www.slamonline.com/media/slam-tv/gary-payton-dislikes-basically-everything-about-the-nba-today-video/#comment-2804336
Tue, 14 Jan 2014 22:08:00 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=303370#comment-2804336the decreased efficiency directly correlates with the abolishment of “illegal defense” — the lowpoint being the Spurs vs Pistons finals in 2005, then the NBA totally did away with handchecking/forearming in the backcourt and offense started to open up again.
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for example, 05-06 is the highest individual scoring seasons for the following players,

- Kobe Bryant
- Allen Iverson
- LeBron James
- Gilbert Arenas

]]>By: nbkhttp://www.slamonline.com/media/slam-tv/gary-payton-dislikes-basically-everything-about-the-nba-today-video/#comment-2804335
Tue, 14 Jan 2014 22:05:00 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=303370#comment-2804335“I was actually surprised ’96 was that close, as other years are not. But that was a year when the 3pt line was at it’s closest distance to the basket, the 3pt shooting % from 94-96 (Hakeem thanks you NBA) was artificially inflated.”
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it’s “most stupid” … if you are going to call something stupid, at least do it intelligently.
]]>By: TRhttp://www.slamonline.com/media/slam-tv/gary-payton-dislikes-basically-everything-about-the-nba-today-video/#comment-2804333
Tue, 14 Jan 2014 22:00:00 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=303370#comment-2804333The game is just different. The illegal defense rule is gone so now teams can play more of a zone type defense and overload the strong side which makes it tougher to drive. On the other hand that also makes it easier to find open 3 point shots and forces teams to move the ball a little more. I dont know how much of a difference in talent there is. I’d say big men back in the day were more skilled in comparison to the Deandre Jordan and Javale McGees of the world.
]]>By: Marianohttp://www.slamonline.com/media/slam-tv/gary-payton-dislikes-basically-everything-about-the-nba-today-video/#comment-2804330
Tue, 14 Jan 2014 21:51:00 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=303370#comment-2804330Yeah, but it still proves nbk’s point that scoring back then wasn’t tougher than it is today, and it still shows that Gary Payton isn’t really saying much
]]>By: bikehttp://www.slamonline.com/media/slam-tv/gary-payton-dislikes-basically-everything-about-the-nba-today-video/#comment-2804327
Tue, 14 Jan 2014 21:47:00 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=303370#comment-2804327Ever notice how much tougher things were and better things were back in the day from guys who played back in the day? GP probably walked 10 miles to school barefoot in freezing rain too….
]]>By: montanahttp://www.slamonline.com/media/slam-tv/gary-payton-dislikes-basically-everything-about-the-nba-today-video/#comment-2804325
Tue, 14 Jan 2014 21:24:00 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=303370#comment-2804325thats the stupidest stat comparison i have ever seen in my life besides 3pt attempts, otherwise there all too close to make an actual judgement on which era was harder to score in
]]>By: davidRhttp://www.slamonline.com/media/slam-tv/gary-payton-dislikes-basically-everything-about-the-nba-today-video/#comment-2804323
Tue, 14 Jan 2014 21:14:00 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=303370#comment-2804323harden getting to the line 15 times a game for some bs, flopping lol
]]>By: davidRhttp://www.slamonline.com/media/slam-tv/gary-payton-dislikes-basically-everything-about-the-nba-today-video/#comment-2804322
Tue, 14 Jan 2014 21:13:00 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=303370#comment-2804322do you think theres a correlation between the skill of players back then and the overall talent level, versus the level of play today? that, and overall basketball iq

like, could the lower efficiency be because players today aren’t smart about how they score?

]]>By: Dfrancehttp://www.slamonline.com/media/slam-tv/gary-payton-dislikes-basically-everything-about-the-nba-today-video/#comment-2804320
Tue, 14 Jan 2014 21:04:00 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=303370#comment-2804320Hey he turned Ronjohn Rondo into an NBA Champion and an All Star, he can call him whatever he wants!
]]>By: nbkhttp://www.slamonline.com/media/slam-tv/gary-payton-dislikes-basically-everything-about-the-nba-today-video/#comment-2804317
Tue, 14 Jan 2014 20:46:00 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=303370#comment-2804317there is way way way less isolation today.
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and shooting, especially in terms of 3pt shooting, has never been more effective.
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scoring around the basket today is much more difficult.
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if anything, the offensive focus has shifted from efficient but more boring low post play, to less efficient but more entertaining perimeter play.
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let’s just compare 2013 to 1996 (when Payton won DPOY)

So while those numbers are similar, you can see that scoring was easier in the example 1996 season then it was just last year. I was actually surprised ’96 was that close, as other years are not. But that was a year when the 3pt line was at it’s closest distance to the basket, the 3pt shooting % from 94-96 (Hakeem thanks you NBA) was artificially inflated.

]]>By: LakeShowhttp://www.slamonline.com/media/slam-tv/gary-payton-dislikes-basically-everything-about-the-nba-today-video/#comment-2804314
Tue, 14 Jan 2014 20:40:00 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=303370#comment-2804314Yeah there is nothing to like about the NBA right now GP.

Ya old grump.

]]>By: Anthonyhttp://www.slamonline.com/media/slam-tv/gary-payton-dislikes-basically-everything-about-the-nba-today-video/#comment-2804311
Tue, 14 Jan 2014 20:34:00 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=303370#comment-2804311Is it that the defense is tougher or is it that there are more shots out of isolation and less passing, thus yielding individuals taking tougher shots?
OR (consider this) an switch in skill emphasis to athleticism over shooting ability?
]]>By: Ben Osbornehttp://www.slamonline.com/media/slam-tv/gary-payton-dislikes-basically-everything-about-the-nba-today-video/#comment-2804303
Tue, 14 Jan 2014 20:11:00 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=303370#comment-2804303Tremendous headline by Mutoni and amusing over all…but as nbk says…today’s numbers actually contradict much of what GP says. I still love him though and I would agree that even today is particular style of play would be unique.
]]>By: nbkhttp://www.slamonline.com/media/slam-tv/gary-payton-dislikes-basically-everything-about-the-nba-today-video/#comment-2804301
Tue, 14 Jan 2014 20:09:00 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=303370#comment-2804301it’s funny, scoring and offense in general is actually less efficient overall than in Payton’s day (literally showing that defense is harder to score against), and fouls are down across the board. pretty much the exact opposite of what all these former players think …. is true.
]]>By: bubblecathttp://www.slamonline.com/media/slam-tv/gary-payton-dislikes-basically-everything-about-the-nba-today-video/#comment-2804296
Tue, 14 Jan 2014 19:56:00 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=303370#comment-2804296Did he just say “Ranjo Rondo” at 14:48?
]]>By: Marcus Sikvayugakhttp://www.slamonline.com/media/slam-tv/gary-payton-dislikes-basically-everything-about-the-nba-today-video/#comment-2804295
Tue, 14 Jan 2014 19:54:00 +0000http://www.slamonline.com/online/?p=303370#comment-2804295the comments start at 9:48 not 9:28.

i severely disagree with him on the “you get to the bucket, we knock you on your butt” that to me shows that a defender couldn’t stop the offensive player from scoring and as a result the defense uses scare tactics to make sure that doesn’t happen again because the defense can’t play defense.

“you come in there one more time, we hit you again.” once again, the defense cant play defense.