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Request to all
We should not ask any Abdes/Amte who is visiting this forum if they have RAZA
I think we should thank them and encourage them. It only shows that they are not totally brain dead and still have some courage to disobey their masters
Thank you Sister Ruqqayya for having courage to visit this forum and post and please invite more of your friends and relatives to visit this forum. Just like you found Badri Lacewala's rant on this forum many other may also find some thing to open their eyes, even a little bit.

I concur with TFY that Ruqaiyya is preaching to the choir here. Behen, we agree that Badri Lacewala is a lowlife. However, he is a lowlife that has crawled out of Muffy's hole in the ground, so one cannot absolve Muffy of responsibility.

Ruqaiyya wrote:
How can you say that I didn't do any araz to Mufaddal Maula TUS, the araz has been done on the second day

What response did you get? Today is the third day after Ashura so you must have received a response.... Or is Mufs dearest too busy attending ziyafats and planning his next hunting trip?

Quite honestly, I am glad you are here so that you can see that not all who were in Houston were big fans of Muffy! We were there because it is required for continuation of our club membership.

If you will type Muffy I will not reply you...if you want to ask me anything type the proper name...I don't abuse anyone like this, I expect the same respect please. There is no arazi jawaab so far but I will never leave it, I will keep following, I want to know who has assigned this pagal lacewala bhai to speak all that nonsense.

SBM wrote:Request to all
We should not ask any Abdes/Amte who is visiting this forum if they have RAZA
I think we should thank them and encourage them. It only shows that they are not totally brain dead and still have some courage to disobey their masters
Thank you Sister Ruqqayya for having courage to visit this forum and post and please invite more of your friends and relatives to visit this forum. Just like you found Badri Lacewala's rant on this forum many other may also find some thing to open their eyes, even a little bit.

Hello and thanks for your nice message, ask your forum people to pay respect to me while talking, they are using the words like barking and all to me, they should have respect to talk with a woman and please tell them they should not type muffy muffy everywhere...are they speak in the same way to their elders?

Before jumping to conclusions, it is important to understand who said it, and what was said.

Badri Lacewala holds no official position in The Dawat.
He is a Khidmat Guzaar just like all those who have served the 52nd and 53rd Dai in the past and present with much fervour. His Khidmat has been highlighed recently as he has a generous heart to do khidmat of large funds, and as also been able to accomplish many noteworthy things in the past and present. Some of which the Qutbi Bohras despise him for, because it works against their fake claim (in court etc).
That being said, he does not hold any position in Dawat, nor is he an Amil etc. What he says is HIS opinion, or Tasawwur. It does not reflect the "official position" of the Dawat, nor the Dai, or any of his Amils. (The same goes for me and my opinions on this Forum.)

The problem is that people on this Forum are quick to jump the bandwagon of pouring insults on the Dai due to actions of His followers (kaka posting pictures with ladies, included). This reflects THEIR actions and THEIR opinions ONLY.

However, if anyone holding an official position in the Dawat makes such mistakes, then, according to the Misaq, the Dai must be informed, and He will take necessary steps as he deems fit.
But at the end of the day, one must understand that anyone holding these positions are still human, and not Ma'soom. Hence, they are prone to make mistakes, they will, and will always be given a chance to be forgiven and rectify their mistakes.

I am aware of many such examples.One of of the biggest examples is KQ himself. When he had spread wrong Tasawwurs about The Mazoon receiving the Imam's Ta'eed directly from the Imam, Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA, in his Africa Bayaan (relayed worldwide) clarified 1) the official position of Dawat, that ONLY the Dai receives this Ta'eed and distributes it the the other hudood 2) that KQ was wrong. KQ held an official and high position in the Dawat, and the Dai deemed necessary the clarification of his mistake.

In my opinion, certain things Badri Bhai Lacewala mentioned during his speech were not in accordance to True Fatemi Beliefs. And Inshallah, he would have already been informed of his mistakes. Rasullulah SAW also states, "A Mumin is a mirror of another Mumin" - hence if a Mumin brother makes a mistake, one must correct him, not insult him - and i'm sure Mumineen who are in touch with him would inform him of his mistakes in order to rectify it.
It is incumbent on every Mumin to always be weary of his actions and words. He is responsible for them. But he must also understand, that due to his shortcomings, his Dai or Imam will be targetted (as we are seeing on this Forum).

CONCLUDING:
What baffles me is the following:
When a person, like Badri Bhai Lacewala, who holds absolutely NO OFFICIAL position in the True Dawat says something wrong, everyone on this Forum goes crazy.
But when KQ (the DAI HIMSELF of his fake Dawat), and his children (TQ,AQ etc) who hold OFFICIAL AMIL/HUDOOD positions (in the Qutbi Dawat), says wrong things, lie about the Quran, Imam Husain AS, Imams & Duats upto the 52nd Dai, and twist the facts to serve their own personal agenda - the Forum doesn't batter an eye?
Why the double standards?
Or is it because since they are running a fake and unimportant Dawat, their actions are ignored?

kimanumanu wrote:Maybe you stopped going to waaz long time ago but this has been the tradition for a long time now - at least in my living memory.

I went to a waez and the fellow on the takht never went into sujood with one hand on his neck. Shame on him for not following the example set by Moula in Houston. But he did excel in story-telling a la Muffy. This is what he said:

Hearing this Aalim telling us a gem from ilm of Aale Muhammad, mumineen broke into purjosh maatam wailing and crying "Ya Husayn".

After the waez, I enjoyed a great niyaz, picked up my shoes along with my brain which I had placed on the rack outside and left, fully satisfied.

The distance between Madina and Karbala is 1431 Kms so its anyones guess as to how much time a parinda would take to reach Madina...... the conclusion and authenticity of this gem of a bayan is left for the readers to decide !

Before jumping to conclusions, it is important to understand who said it, and what was said.
Badri Lacewala holds no official position in The Dawat.
I am aware of many such examples.
(quotes have been shortened for being repetative by Moderators/Admin)
It is incumbent on every Mumin to always be weary of his actions and words. He is responsible for them. But he must also understand, that due to his shortcomings, his Dai or Imam will be targetted (as we are seeing on this Forum).

You are trying to hide badri lacewala, which is not good, if he is not holding any ohda or post, why he is standing in front of thousands holding mic and speaking all non-sense, I am doubting no one can do this kind of bayans without raza...he is spoiling aakhera of thousands.

He is a Khidmat Guzaar just like all those who have served the 52nd and 53rd Dai in the past and present with much fervour. His Khidmat has been highlighed recently as he has a generous heart to do khidmat of large funds, and as also been able to accomplish many noteworthy things in the past and present.

Adam wrote:@Ruqaiyya
If you read my post, you would understand that I am NOT "trying to hide Badri Lacewala".
I have already agreed that he has said some wrong things.
And he would need to rectify his mistake.

In the same way, KQ and his children have said many, many wrong things. You'll should highlight that as well.
They are "spoiling aakhera of thousands."

The big difference is. Badri is a common man. Whereas KQ is the (fake) "Dai" and his childreen are his Huddood of Dawat.

Bhai not some wrong things but manyx100 wrong things, FOOROOH E DEEN par kalaam kida che wo maanas ye, why I should talk about KQ and PQ I have heard badri's bayan where he was reducing the ohda of PANJETAN paak a.s and keeping the ohda of DAAI TUS above all, it will never go bhai not at any cost,

Who has given him mic, I am in a big trouble trust me there is only one arazi in between my aqeeda now...if I am not getting the proper answer of my arazi on this badri lace wala, I will go mad and do something which is next to impossible, I will not leave this badri lace wala....I want to know who has given him permission to speak all that nonsense.

Adam wrote:@Ruqaiyya
If you read my post, you would understand that I am NOT "trying to hide Badri Lacewala".
I have already agreed that he has said some wrong things.
And he would need to rectify his mistake.

In the same way, KQ and his children have said many, many wrong things. You'll should highlight that as well.
They are "spoiling aakhera of thousands."

The big difference is. Badri is a common man. Whereas KQ is the (fake) "Dai" and his childreen are his Huddood of Dawat.

Adam wrote:@Ruqaiyya
If you read my post, you would understand that I am NOT "trying to hide Badri Lacewala".
I have already agreed that he has said some wrong things.
And he would need to rectify his mistake.

In the same way, KQ and his children have said many, many wrong things. You'll should highlight that as well.
They are "spoiling aakhera of thousands."

The big difference is. Badri is a common man. Whereas KQ is the (fake) "Dai" and his childreen are his Huddood of Dawat.

Bro, Adam why are you dragging SKQ into this? Badri Lacewala is a product of Mufaddal Saifuddin's misguidance and lack of judgement. Exactly that. Your attempt to compare his words to SKQ's are laughable.

Mufaddal Saifuddin has a majority following and he found THIS gutter rat to shower his personal attention on? Seriously?

Also I find it ridiculous that all of a sudden the dawat rutbas have assumed such importance for you! So Badri Lacewala is nothing even though he was so close to Muffy Moula yet Mufaddal Saifuddin is EVERYTHING, BECAUSE Burhanuddin Aqa kept him close? You said Badri Lacewala is an ordinary many despite being so close to Muffy Moula so perhaps Muffy Moula was also ordinary despite being close to Burhanuddin Aqa. You are tripping over yourself Bro. I think you have just proven to the Qutbis that they are RIGHT in believing the Mazoon over Qaid chor etc. - the fake witnesses!

@Ruqaiya
I have already said that I agree certain things he said were not in line with True Fatemi Dawat beliefs. He would have already been informed of his mistake.
About his Khidmat. Well, that is up to the Dai to accept his Khidmat or not. Just like Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA accepted his khidmat in the past. It's not yours nor my position to question.

However, if you are yet un satisfied, then:
If you are a follower of Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS, then please do araz to the Dai or any of his representatives and Amils in each city.
If you are a follower of KQ, then this won't affect you. But in the meantime, you can inform KQ, that he is also giving completely wrong Tasawwurs, which is affecting his followers' belief.

@UnhappyBohra
If you read my message carefully, I have written why I spoke about KQ. It's because KQ (who according to the Qutbi sect is their leader- and the favourite of this Forum) - gives wrong information - no one says anything.
Here's the text again, just in case you missed it:

CONCLUDING:
What baffles me is the following:
When a person, like Badri Bhai Lacewala, who holds absolutely NO OFFICIAL position in the True Dawat says something wrong, everyone on this Forum goes crazy.
But when KQ (the DAI HIMSELF of his fake Dawat), and his children (TQ,AQ etc) who hold OFFICIAL AMIL/HUDOOD positions (in the Qutbi Dawat), says wrong things, lie about the Quran, Imam Husain AS, Imams & Duats upto the 52nd Dai, and twist the facts to serve their own personal agenda - the Forum doesn't batter an eye?
Why the double standards?
Or is it because since they are running a fake and unimportant Dawat, their actions are ignored?

Why do you care about what SKQ or his followers do or say? He has not come to your majlis to speak. We are discussing someone who stood up in your majlis and spoke ridiculous things. Yet you are doing your best to divert attention to SKQ.

But sadly, lacewala is a true representation of wat most of our jamat ppl are made to believe. We are conditioned to believe that moula is above RASULLAH SAW. And his Ahlebet. Moharram vaaezs are nothing about GAMHE HUSSAIN. They only centre around videos and documentaries about past present future DAIs.

By targeting one lacewala u will not achieve much. The falsehood has taken such serious proportions and a lifetime of reform is not going to make n e difference.

Can anyone promise a place in heaven? Holding a DAIs hand is that all that is required to find a place in heaven. Our Dai has repeatedly placed this as the most important prerequisite. I have heard Aamils too uttering the same thing. Why didn't you have a reaction to this?

The fact is we have been fed with these lies in proportions big and small. Lacewala is the result of our earlier complacency. Unless somet drastic measure is taken now, be prepared for bigger lies!

My point Adam is that your comparisons of SKQ's words of hidayat to the garbage coming out of Badri Lacewala's mouth is utterly laughable! What SKQ says or does has NOTHING to do with the fact that Badri Lacewala did behurmati of Ahle bayt in an imam Hussain majlis of MS followers, with the raza of MS! Thousands of mumineen including MS lovers such as Ruqaiyya, instantly recognized the vile nature of Badri's words. In contrast, thousands of thoughtful mumineen instantly see the truth in SKQ's words. There is NO comparison. Don't divert the issue. The topic at hand is MS's "dikro" Badri Lacewala and the filth he spewed in a majlis of Azaadare Hussain.

Also I see that you ignored my question about why dawat rutbas have suddenly assumed such an important place in your mind! You NEVER answer the tough questions, that is why you don't have credibility on this forum Adam.

ghulam muhammed wrote:Before bashing and condemning Badri Lacewala for his idiotic outburst let us not forget that the MAIN culprit is none other then Muffy !! Why wasn’t Badri stopped midway and why was the mike not snatched away from his hands by Muffy and his henchmen ?? The reason is quite simple…. Badri was used as an instrument by Muffy to further his evil agenda of spitting venom on KQ and also to glorify himself by giving a heavy ‘’Burhani dose’’ and using SMB as a marketing tool.

This can be compared with the current situation in India’s Modi Raj !! Almost everyday we come across some fringe and lunatic elements from BJP and RSS spitting venom on Muslims and these are not ordinary BJP workers but BJP MPs and ministers like Yogi Adityanath, Sakshi Maharaj, Sangeet Som, Sadhvi Prachi etc. They continue with their rants because PM Modi deliberately choses to remain silent and not react. Modi is silent because it is he who has planted these fringe elements in public space to further his evil agenda of communalism and muslim bashing as per orders of his parent organization, the RSS !!

i completely agree with you.

i dont know if Mufaddal Maula was there when this mad man was ranting or not, but im sure other community seniors were at that time and what is really surprising is how come no one stopped this blasphemy.. actually wait, it isnt surprising at all. how stupid of me

Adam wrote:About Badri Bhai Lacewala's comments. This is my humble opinion.
Before jumping to conclusions, it is important to understand who said it, and what was said.(quotes deleted due to repetitive reasons)
I am aware of many such examples.mOne of of the biggest examples is KQ himself. When he had spread wrong Tasawwurs about The Mazoon receiving the Imam's Ta'eed directly from the Imam, Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA, in his Africa Bayaan (relayed worldwide) clarified 1) the official position of Dawat, that ONLY the Dai receives this Ta'eed and distributes it the the other hudood 2) that KQ was wrong. KQ held an official and high position in the Dawat, and the Dai deemed necessary the clarification of his mistake.

In my opinion, certain things Badri Bhai Lacewala mentioned during his speech were not in accordance to True Fatemi Beliefs. And Inshallah, he would have already been informed of his mistakes. Rasullulah SAW also states, "A Mumin is a mirror of another Mumin" - hence if a Mumin brother makes a mistake, one must correct him, not insult him - and i'm sure Mumineen who are in touch with him would inform him of his mistakes in order to rectify it.
It is incumbent on every Mumin to always be weary of his actions and words. He is responsible for them. But he must also understand, that due to his shortcomings, his Dai or Imam will be targetted (as we are seeing on this Forum).

CONCLUDING:
What baffles me is the following:
When a person, like Badri Bhai Lacewala, who holds absolutely NO OFFICIAL position in the True Dawat says something wrong, everyone on this Forum goes crazy.
But when KQ (the DAI HIMSELF of his fake Dawat), and his children (TQ,AQ etc) who hold OFFICIAL AMIL/HUDOOD positions (in the Qutbi Dawat), says wrong things, lie about the Quran, Imam Husain AS, Imams & Duats upto the 52nd Dai, and twist the facts to serve their own personal agenda - the Forum doesn't batter an eye?
Why the double standards?
Or is it because since they are running a fake and unimportant Dawat, their actions are ignored?

1. how many khidmatguzaars do you know of, in the past , have come on the stage and made speeches like this badri lacewala did?
2. if what he said is not the official stand of the community, then how come you keep insisting if the views of people here are views of the reform movement?
3. do you really think he was mistaken? i am an illetarate jaahil in matters of religion but even i know what he has said is blasphemy. and badri is what? a sheikh? a mulla?
4. what are the noteworthy khidmat that he has done now and in the past?
AND MOST IMPORTANTLY--------------------------------------
5. IF HE HOLDS NO OFFICIAL POSITION, THEN HOW AND WHY WAS HE ALLOWED TO BLASPHEME LIKE HE DID ON STAGE??????? PRAY TELL ME, HOW MANY OTHER PEOPLE WERE ALLOWED TO COME ON STAGE. AND EVEN MORE IMPORTANTLY, WHY DID PEOPLE WITHIN THE OFFICIAL POSITION OF DAWAT NOT STOP HIM?????? I WOULD LIKE AN ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION MOSTLY PLEASE

OK since muffy lackey Adam accepts lacewala bhikari bhai is a illiterate and najais aulaad of Muffy, I think muffy should again arrange a public gathering and ask lacewala to apologize for his mistake, will he do that?

GM bhai thanx I just saw the full video and this guy speech is big shame, I wonder how come those first row idiots (so called hudood of muffy dawat) let him speak for 20 minutes. Now I know why Ruqqayya is fuming but again she is pointing gun on wrong person....lacewala and moron muffy sells jannat like garam bhajiya on railway station...watch 4:50 onwards.

On serious note this video must be circulated to all shia and sunnis, this guy has crossed all limits in insulting Islam and Prophet(s)....obviously he knows nothing, but since mic was handed over to such an idiot, leader is responsible for this mess.

But I must say he is better orator than his master. he has caliber to bullshiit for 20 mins without looking at papers, while muffy bullshiits with papers in hand....hhmmm, guy behind him are smiling at him coz they know the truth in fact he laughed soo much that finally covered his face with his hands.

fayyaaz wrote:I went to a waez and the fellow on the takht never went into sujood with one hand on his neck. Shame on him for not following the example set by Moula in Houston. But he did excel in story-telling a la Muffy. This is what he said: