Constellations

If earth were orbiting the sun, we would see different constellations every 3 months.

Globers respond by saying that constellations *do* change. We see some seasonal asterisms, such as Orion. But we have year-round asterisms, like the Big Dipper in the North and the Southern Cross in the South, that are visible year-round. And of course Polaris keeps his eternal watch above magnetic North!

This would be impossible on a globe. Globers like to say, “But the stars are really far away!” Distance doesn’t matter. If we’re facing the opposite direction of a star, we wouldn’t be able to see it. No matter the distance.

If we were orbiting the sun, we would see different stars all the time.

If you have a suggestion on how to explain this, please leave your idea in the comments. Thanks! Stacey

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If you live near the poles, you surely see the stars 180° rotate around polaris (north) or sigma octantis (south) every six months.
If you live near equator. you will be able to see the constelations that you cannot see six months ago because you will be seeing the opposite direction in the night that six months ago.
So, yeah: You see different stars every three months. What’s the point?

Hyper, u don’t see different stars every 3 months. For example, Big Dipper is visible all year long, from northern latitudes and as far South as Northern Australia. The Southern Cross is visible all year round from southern latitudes. If we were orbiting the sun, ALL constellations would change constantly. You can’t have year-long constellations on a spinning ball. Thanks for your comment!

Of course that you can have year-long constellations on a spinning ball. For example: Big Dipper and Southern Cross. Because, let’s use the second image in this post (The ona that says: “”If you don’t understand…). The Big Dipper constelation is in direction of the word “IF” (But much further), and the Southern Cross is in direction of the word “HELP” (again, much further). So, all the year you will be able to look to that directions and see that constelations in your respective hemisphere.
Let me remind you that the stars are not only on the “left” or “right” the Earth, but all around, even “up” and “down”.
So, it doesn’t matter that the Earth is in the opposite direction than six months ago, if you look in the direction of the “IF” word, you will be able to see polaris and the Big Dipper, and, if you look in the direction of the “HELP” word, you will be able to see the Southern Cross.
Imagine that you are in a football soccer stadium, in the very center of the field.
Now, imagine that the circle in the middle of the field is the orbit of the Earth around the sun, and the central point is the sun. And you are the Earth spinning around that central point.
Now imagine that in the grades are people that you know sit around all the stadium.
Now, because you are the spinning Earth, you only will be able to see the people in the grades when the “sun” is behind you. This is, when it is night.
You cannot see the people behind you while you are in certain point of the “orbit”, but, six months later (the opposite side of the orbit) you will be able to see them. This is the same situation when you live near the equator.
But, if you look up, you will be able to see the lights in the ceiling of the stadium regardless your position in the orbit (circle). The same thing with Polaris. You can see it all the year because it is perpendicular to the orbit “plane”.
Are you able to understand this. If you don’t, I’m not sure I can help you.

Dear Hyperkubo,
I appreciate your taking the time to illustrate this.
But it still would be impossible to have year-long constellations if we were orbiting the sun. In your football field scenario, during half the year, you could not see the ppl u know in the stands. But Big Dipper is visible all year long. That is, the ppl in the stands would have to be traveling around the sun with you, and that would make the sun the center of the universe, which isn’t true in the helio model.

Hey Hyperkubo, sorry, it has been 15 months since you lost a few minutes of your life you will never get back trying to explain the obvious to Stacey. I just saw these post now. Cognitive dissonance is the only explanation I have for their lack of comprehension. They just don’t WANT to know it, so they refuse to understand, else their flat house of cards will collapse. Notice Stacey didn’t reply to your last post–if she continued to “not understand” your example, she would look even more like the idiot she is. Cheers… –TK

Why you don’t get it?
The Big Dipper is visible all year long because, in the football scenario, is in the ceiling.
It doesn’t matter in which position of the circle you are, you always be able to look up, and see the Big Dipper.
It is an easy example to understand the one that I explained.
The Big Dipper is “up”, That’s why you can see it all the year.
Orion, however, is near the ecliptic, and, if you live in USA, you will not be able to see it in all June. Because this constelation will be (apparently in the sky) near the sun.
I really hope that you can understand this. If not, let me know to explain it again.
Thanks for your responses.

Your Heliocentric models gets more confused when you add that the Earth is supposed to be at a 23 degree tilt. and so no you are not looking up perpendicularly, like on a soccer field. Its more complex than that, and you should not see any one constellation all year round, unless the “Dome” of the soccer stadium was the thing actually circling above you, in which case it would work. Btw, that is the FE Model. sooooo lol

if there’s a dome, how do you travel from earth to other worlds/continents outside the Antarctic ice?
wouldnt the craft hit the dome?
how is it possible to enter it and exit it?
how do you explain UFO phenomenon?

I don’t believe there’s worlds/continents beyond the ice wall, but some FEs do; they can get over the ice wall and see what’s beyond but idk what’s there; UFO could be government aircraft; I don’t believe in aliens. Thanks for your questions/ comments Mike!

Forget about exploring beyond the ice wall, nobody have even seen it. If there really is an ice wall, you can get a boat, travel in any direction and you’ll hit it but you can’t. Because the ice wall doesn’t exist. The antarctic treaty’s purpose is to keep the place peaceful by banning military activity on the continent, and to establishes freedom of scientific investigation. You can freely explore the antarctic if you’re there for research purposes.
Plus, the circumference of antarctica is about 11,000 miles, so get a boat and you can circle the entire continent. No one will stop you, antarctica is not owned by any country due to the treaty and its the only demilitarized continent in the world.

And meteors exist, shooting stars all that. In 2013 a meteor exploded in the sky over a city in russia and the shockwave injured and damaged hundreds of people and buildings. How did that get through the dome?