Probably for the same reasons the B-17 isn`t flyable. It`s no way near as easy as doing a fighter or small bomber. I also believe that the B17 has priority at the moment, that is , if some money-grabbing company hasn`t decided to threaten Oleg with a lawsuit over it and capped it!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Waiting to be coded. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
That sounds like it will take some more months to integrate into the sim.

So what exactly is done? So many false expectations have been raised in the past with statements like "it's done" when only the work of an external 3D artist was done, but not the coding. And sometimes the 3D model wasn't even approved by 1C and had to be redone.

RAF__Swede51

02-02-2005, 05:26 PM

Just how much runway will a B-29 with full load of fuel and bombs require to take off?
And are the current runways on the maps long enough??

3.JG51_BigBear

02-02-2005, 06:10 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RAF__Swede51:
Just how much runway will a B-29 with full load of fuel and bombs require to take off?
And are the current runways on the maps long enough?? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Maximum takeoff weight for a B-29 during the war was 105,000 pounds and the runway was around 8000ft (I think). Although the max takeoff weight was 105,000 they were more often than not overloaded towards the end of the war. I want to say up to 130,000 pounds.

cwojackson

02-02-2005, 06:29 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RAF__Swede51:
Just how much runway will a B-29 with full load of fuel and bombs require to take off?
And are the current runways on the maps long enough?? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Takeoff distance to clear a 50' obstacle at 130,000 lbs was 6,375 (under optimal conditions). 4,979 at 120,000 lbs.

TC_Stele

02-02-2005, 06:35 PM

If we get the B-29 flyable do you think the major servers will include this bomber in its servers? This bomber carries a massive and destructive load and I could easily see it taking out mission targets in either 1 or 2 sorties. (ie-WarClouds, greatergreen)

3.JG51_BigBear

02-02-2005, 06:39 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TC_Stele:
If we get the B-29 flyable do you think the major servers will include this bomber in its servers? This bomber carries a massive and destructive load and I could easily see it taking out mission targets in either 1 or 2 sorties. (ie-WarClouds, greatergreen) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't think it'd last too long in online servers. Big shiny, silver plane with a massive bomb load lumbering across the map would be kinda hard to miss.

AlmightyTallest

02-02-2005, 06:46 PM

lol, yea, but it has 4 remote controlled turrets with ballistic computers, and when manned by players instead of AI they could be very dangerous. As well as having a fast top speed and high altitude, they are hard to catch with fighters.

The B-29 is not a B-17 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I think it would be a great addition if it was included in PF.

VFA195-MaxPower

02-02-2005, 06:55 PM

I think it's done can mean several things and so can coding. What I take it to mean is that the interior is modelled and skinned, the proper performance research is finished and the results tabulated, the features have been laid out and perhaps even expressed in pseudo-code (such as the procedure for the bomb aimer) and all other aspects of implimentation are finalized, and all that is left is to integrate it into the engine, debug it and evaluated it for that certain je ne sais quoi of flight modelling that noone can describe but is often argued, complained about and disputed on the forums.

EnGaurde

02-02-2005, 07:13 PM

it would take months to get to the right height.

and by that time, some days into its ascent, it would be jack hammered to big silver bits by the swarm of opposing fighters eager to shoot something big, down.

word would spread and everyone would make a beeline to take a bite out of its big silver ar$e.

coordinated defence, yes, but my guess is the high flying fw crowd would rub their hands together before disassembling it en masse.

DDad

02-02-2005, 07:18 PM

According to unofficial sources, Oleg is trying to iron out the differences between the B-29 and the TU-4 so that they will both be flyable. Also, Rumor has it that Oleg is trying to decide whter to use the interior of Plane 1- totally painted OD green on the inside, or Plane 2, which had OD green only in the front half.......

VW-IceFire

02-02-2005, 07:34 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DDad:
According to unofficial sources, Oleg is trying to iron out the differences between the B-29 and the TU-4 so that they will both be flyable. Also, Rumor has it that Oleg is trying to decide whter to use the interior of Plane 1- totally painted OD green on the inside, or Plane 2, which had OD green only in the front half....... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I LIKE those unofficial sources.

dazza9806482

02-03-2005, 01:26 AM

B17 flyable! I didnt even think that was a distant possibility.

Thats interesting...

I have refrained from patch comments so far, but there is a great potential for some great new stuff.

I can just see it now, the DF servers clogged with bloodthirsty bomber pilots. Flying low level in massive circular engagements with other bomber pilots, using nothing but the ai to man their guns in an effort to up their kills. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

CKY_86

02-03-2005, 04:23 AM

if this b29 does become flyable then we could see some team ruling the skies by taking out the enemy airfields, riddiling them with potholes so not 1 aircraft can get airbourne

lol

p1ngu666

02-03-2005, 04:31 AM

servers where bomber starts in the air or something http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

and a flyable bomber with good speed,defense and bombload would be great http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

raf boys will fly the washington like its a lanc or stirling too http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

ElAurens

02-03-2005, 05:00 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ClnlSandersLite:
I can just see it now, the DF servers clogged with bloodthirsty bomber pilots. Flying low level in massive circular engagements with other bomber pilots, using nothing but the ai to man their guns in an effort to up their kills. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have flown in co-ops set up as TB3 DFs. All gunner positions manned. Hokey? Sure, but I was laughing the whole time! It was good fun. If the B 29s had incendary bomb load outs it could prove very interesting as an air to air weapon.....

Months ago we saw the whole set of pics over at Netwings and were sent to Maddox for inclusion in the sim.At the time the poor sod who did the work never got a reply aknowledging receipt of the work and wether approved for inclusion.The set of pics looked very good to everyone.
manson

Months ago we saw the whole set of pics over at Netwings and were sent to Maddox for inclusion in the sim.At the time the poor sod who did the work never got a reply aknowledging receipt of the work and wether approved for inclusion.The set of pics looked very good to everyone.
manson <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If no replies, then the files must have been sent to Luthier. According to Dux Corvan, Luthier has apparently been hidding with Elvis for the last 3-4 months.

Jagd

WorldShatterer

02-03-2005, 02:27 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ClnlSandersLite:
I can just see it now, the DF servers clogged with bloodthirsty bomber pilots. Flying low level in massive circular engagements with other bomber pilots, using nothing but the ai to man their guns in an effort to up their kills. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The thought of dogfighting B-29s does sound pretty da*n funny. That would be something worth trying out. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

m.manson2004

02-04-2005, 01:55 AM

If Luthier ran away with the B29 cockpit and other work thats no problem since everyone keeps copies of their work.
manson

CKY_86

02-04-2005, 04:16 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WorldShatterer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ClnlSandersLite:
I can just see it now, the DF servers clogged with bloodthirsty bomber pilots. Flying low level in massive circular engagements with other bomber pilots, using nothing but the ai to man their guns in an effort to up their kills. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The thought of dogfighting B-29s does sound pretty da*n funny. That would be something worth trying out. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

i think we may have found a new role for it

NIGHTFIGHTER

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

DuxCorvan

02-04-2005, 04:44 AM

Don't sound the bells yet. If it's true that a Tu-4 is in the works, it only should mean that Oleg is busy in the 1946 VVS add-on project ONLY FOR RUSSIAN MARKET. It may be that Kami's 3D B-29 cockpit work is going to be adapted just for this only purpose. That a flyable B-29 is also WIP is uncertain, so we should wait before building up any hopes.

Anyway, it looks like Tu-4 would be on that Russian add-on, along with Il-10, La-9, and all the early Russian jets. Just speculative thinking, but it seems rather logical, and I rarely fail when 'reading the future'.

Badsight.

02-04-2005, 04:48 AM

mis-infomation abounds

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v18/Badsight/B-29pilot2.jpg

done by the same guy who did the FW-200 cockpits

last i heard , its in Maddox Games hands , like we need it when medium bombers with their speed are the most usefull in FB/PF's small maps

CKY_86

02-04-2005, 05:02 AM

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

ElAurens

02-04-2005, 05:18 AM

Badsight has a point.

The B 29 would be a nice touch, but, the medium bombers, for both sides, would be far more useful in the game.

However, if we are going to add an Allied heavy bomber my vote woudl be for the B 17 or the B 24, as they were used in Europe and the Pacific, and would cover the needs of the game more efficiently.

& with a group of mabye f4 the could flattern an intirer town lol http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

DarthBane_

02-04-2005, 11:54 AM

Someone got sick as always, or thats the code for beeing lasy and avoiding work.

DuxCorvan

02-04-2005, 12:16 PM

Kami, the comisioned author of that cockpit, threatened to leave the work if he had no answer from the development team, since he had no clue if it was to be finally accepted, and he didn't want to go on working in vain. Then someone contacted him, but since then, the rest of the affair went on in privacy, and no outsider knows the status of the stuff and 1C's intentions.

Anyway, since Tu-4 (a post-war version) is in the spotlight, it seems that the work has been lent to the Russian 3rd party guys that are developing the Russian-only commercial postwar add-on, and that may even reduce the chances for a genuine B-29 to appear in western version FB/PF, IMHO.

I could be wrong, of course. I hope I am.

ZappaTime

02-04-2005, 05:33 PM

I've played on-line on hyperlobby where B29's were available to pick - only flyable from the F2/F3 view obviously, but I got the thing off the ground with the biggest bomb load it would carry - just guess work as to when to drop them, about 3 weapon buttons on the joystick worked to drop sets of bombs. It was fun getting all engines up to speed and trying to align the beast on the runway, but anywhere above min throttle meant the sodding thing wouldn't turn when taxiing. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

How are non-flyable planes made flyable in MP? Can it be done in single player stuff. Btw, that cockpit looks fanatastic, don't it!?

p1ngu666

02-04-2005, 07:22 PM

open the mission file in notepad and editing, and sadly no, u can only fly the ai aircraft in dogfight maps http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

and yes, the cockpit looks great http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Qbeesh800

02-05-2005, 03:44 AM

I'm confused. will b29 be in a game or not? some sais it will and some sais it will not. decide.
BTW problem with you guys is that you look at the game from online playing perspective. I know it's a great fun, but some of us like campaign mode and free flying too. I like free flying or bombing raids with enemy flak and fighters Listen to yourselfs: Medium bombers are more useful on maps. That is right, but i can only imagine the fight in the sky with good crew aboard the B29. Exciting. And last but not least B29's look literally kicks god ****ed ***!!!

last i heard , its in Maddox Games hands , like we need it when medium bombers with their speed are the most usefull in FB/PF's small maps <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Badsight, as they say in my country: Ty kompletnie nie czaisz opcji, lamerze.
Go play unreal, Quake, or something if the game for you is making good stats. PF is a sim, and i want to be a god ****ed B29's pilot. I like manning turets, changing station, lots of engines and the rest stuff connected to heavies.

Badsight.

02-05-2005, 04:11 AM

i think you mis-understand me & this sim

its small map size negates many of the very heavy bomber planes advantages , namely range

the medium bombers like the He-111 & JU-88 & Pe-2/3 & A-20 are of more use & more pratical benefit , partly because of their speed

this game runs on small maps ,its not a strategic game but a tactical/offensive one

& you cant say that the medium bombers dont have gunner positions , the B-25 & He-111 have given me & my squadmates plenty of fun

im all for more planes , but im also a realist . & whats truthfull is that medium bombers are of more use to this sim

it wont change the fact that the B-29 will be awesome to fly if we ever get it tho

triggerhappyfin

02-05-2005, 05:12 AM

Oleg Should make pure plane/cockpit addons for the IL-2 series. Cockpit addons could be implemented in game in order for people that paid for those to use in existing PF version.

Look at the market existing for M$ simulators.

Why is Oleg not interested in this kind of market? IâÂ´m sure alot of us would pay some $ to get those addons. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

RogueSnake79

02-05-2005, 05:54 AM

I've been thinking that for a long time. Those guys are selling 1 plane for $30-40.

1C Maddox direction often confusess me, but I do have a simple mind.
And now this talk of another Russian only addon. LOL, good luck making big $$$ with that.

Making a product that the world coummity would clearly like to have, and saying "No soop for you" is a slap in our faces.

One post from Oleg would clealy clear out alot of this speculation.

I'm not an ungrateful fan, who does'nt understand what he's already got. Just all this talk of what were gona get, and "in the next patch" stuff is stressfull.

Would'nt it be funny if 1C used his model for the TU-4 only, and it was only in the Russian addon. LOL, histroy repeats itself.

its small map size negates many of the very heavy bomber planes advantages , namely range

the medium bombers like the He-111 & JU-88 & Pe-2/3 & A-20 are of more use & more pratical benefit , partly because of their speed

this game runs on small maps ,its not a strategic game but a tactical/offensive one

& you cant say that the medium bombers dont have gunner positions , the B-25 & He-111 have given me & my squadmates plenty of fun

im all for more planes , but im also a realist . & whats truthfull is that medium bombers are of more use to this sim

it wont change the fact that the B-29 will be awesome to fly if we ever get it tho <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ok, sorry mate You're right. I'm returning honour to you as they say in my country http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif. That's right the maps are too small for heavy bombers' operations.