President Obama administration's health care law includes provision on Second Amendment, guns

Thank you uncle Harold! Now hopefully we can get more guns and ammo and the
prices will drop a little.

morganhOrem, Utah

Jan. 11, 2013 6:19 p.m.

@ As IF

I don't know what you are referring to as flex account.
If that is another name for a cafeteria plan or HSA (Health Savings Acounts),
starting Jan 1 2013 Obamacare caps those at $2500.00. He doesn't like the
fact that private insurance companies allow people to choose their healthcare
options. He also slipped in a tax of 2 percent on Medical Device Manufacturing
Companies, an increase in the capital gains tax, and it excludes congress,
President Obama and his family, and many of his top donors from it. I don't
know what a capital gains tax has to do with healthcare, that still befuddles
me. I hope you can get your medications you need, but it doesn't sound to
me like "Obamacare" will help you anytime soon.

CVgalSmithfield, UT

Jan. 11, 2013 6:01 p.m.

Harry Reid flip flopped??? Didn't he accuse Mitt of doing that? Democrats
don't do that. Yes,circumstances do cause people to rethink their stand,
but you won't see this reported in the media!

Billy BobSalt Lake City, UT

Jan. 11, 2013 4:56 p.m.

I support gun rights and hate Obamacare, but there is no reason that a gun
provision should be in a bill about healhtcare. The fact that nobody knew
everything that was in the Obamacare bill when it was passed is absolutely
despicable. How can you vote for something when you don't know what is in
it? The federal government and most of the politicians in it are corrupt and/or
incompetent.

Craig ClarkBoulder, CO

Jan. 11, 2013 4:38 p.m.

CORRECTION TO MY PREVIOUS POST:

It reads as though Americans account
for less than 1% of the world's population. What I meant is American GUN
OWNERS.

Sorry for the mistake.

Craig ClarkBoulder, CO

Jan. 11, 2013 4:16 p.m.

atl134,

"Why is the NRA afraid of studies actually being able to
be done effectively on guns in this nation? What facts do they not want to see
the light of day?"______________________________

Americans
own an estimated one third of the guns on the planet although they account for
less than 1% of the world's population. That doesn't exactly augment
the fears fanned by some of the more hysterical gun enthusists and encouraged by
the NRA that private gun ownership is in dire jeopardy.

Baccus0902Leesburg, VA

Jan. 11, 2013 4:13 p.m.

Any negotiation or compromise with the NRA is a defeat for the safety and morals
of civilized society.

Mr. Reid should be ashamed of going to bed with
the NRA for whatever reason.

I certainly hope that Vice-President
Biden and his commission may come up with common sense suggestions that
hopefully can stop the insanity with guns in our country.

You need a
revolver to protect yourself, register, have a backgorund check and if you
qualify get one.

You need a rifle because you enjoy hunting, register
, have a background check and if you qualify get one.

You feel the
itch for an assault weapon make an appointment with a psychiatrist. There are
other ways to compensate for your deficiencies.

NeanderthalOgden, UT

Jan. 11, 2013 4:08 p.m.

"President Obama administration's health care law includes provision on
Second Amendment, guns"

All the more reason to scrap the whole
thing.

wrzOgden, UT

Jan. 11, 2013 3:59 p.m.

@Samaritan01:"If Obama creates an Executive Order or a law is passed
by Congress that new language will apply and therefore restrict
firearm/ammunition ownership and possession."

Not to worry. Gun
ownership is protected by the Constitution. If it came to the Supreme Court for
a decision even nuts and crazies will be allowed to own guns because it says:
"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
That's pretty straight forward and all inclusive. I saw a guy being
interviewed by Peirs Morgan about gun control who would fit the description of a
nut and he owned dozens of guns.

Craig ClarkBoulder, CO

Jan. 11, 2013 3:28 p.m.

The provision inserted by Harry Reid was pre-Newtown. The post-Newtown Harry
Reid is sounding more amenable to revisiting Federal laws impacting guns and
privacy.

Why is the NRA afraid of studies actually being able to be done effectively on
guns in this nation? What facts do they not want to see the light of day?

Samaritan01Yuma, CO.

Jan. 11, 2013 10:56 a.m.

Read the language of the text closely, it does NOT prohibit any future laws
related to Civil Disarmament. If Obama creates an Executive Order or a law is
passed by Congress that new language will apply and therefore restrict
firearm/ammunition ownership and possession.

The text in the
Obamacare Bill only prevents that particular Bill from restricting
firearm/ammunition ownership not future laws.

procuradorfiscalTooele, UT

Jan. 11, 2013 9:16 a.m.

Re: "Hopefully, this provision will prevent further infringement and
censorship into our lives from the Federal Government."

Hope
springs eternal. But infringement of our rights has become the hallmark of the
Obama regime.

Liberals have already suggested an executive order
requiring the already heavily-regulated insurance industry to double or triple
insurance premiums for "assault weapon" owners. Which, of course
violates the very basis of real actuarial principles, since something like nine
times as many murders are committed with empty hands, steak knives, ball bats,
and other common household items, than with ALL rifles.

But,
that's liberals for you. They've never felt constrained by common
sense, the needs and desires of others, or the Constitution.

They
just want what THEY want. They don't care about what real people want or
need.

OCougOgden, UT

Jan. 10, 2013 10:57 p.m.

Regarding Dr. Gupta's comment. While gathering information on guns may
help with research, it can't help but influence the medical staff's
opinions on an individual. Healthcare workers are trained to "suspend
judgement", in theory that's great, but not all staff do this.
Hopefully, this provision will prevent further infringement and censorship into
our lives from the Federal Government.

If you give a mouse a cookie,
he'll ask you for a glass of milk.

worfMcallen, TX

Jan. 10, 2013 9:48 p.m.

It seems that in their haste to cram socialized medicine down the throats of the
American people, then-Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) and Barack Obama overlooked
Senate amendment 3276, Sec. 2716, part c.

According to reports, that
amendment says the government cannot use doctors to collect "any information
relating to the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or
ammunition."

CNN is calling it "a gift to the nation's
powerful gun lobby."

And according to Senate Majority Leader
Harry Reid (D-NV), that's exactly right. He says he added the provision in
order to keep the NRA from getting involved in the legislative fight over
Obamacare, which was so ubiquitous in 2010.

JayTeeSandy, UT

Jan. 10, 2013 8:29 p.m.

"So we even throw a bone to the conservatives once in awhile. Heck,
we'll throw an occasional bone to ANYONE that will help us get this
monstrosity passed." And if it wasn't in there, they'd probably
use the bill to start mandating gun control as a condition of receiving Federal
"health care" dollars.

worfMcallen, TX

Jan. 10, 2013 5:34 p.m.

Like healthcare, this will rushed down our throats before we can react.

LDS LiberalFarmington, UT

Jan. 10, 2013 3:28 p.m.

CNN's Jim Acosta called the provision "a gift to the nation's
powerful gun lobby," and noted that it was Senate Majority Leader Harry
Reid, D-Nevada who inserted the provision.

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I
quite frankly don't know whether or not I should laugh or cry.

Imagine Harry Reid (D) being the source of protecting the rabid gun-lobby?

Who can they get mad at?Harry Reid for passing Obamacare, or
Harry Reid for protecting their guns in Obmacare?

ElcapitanIvins, UT

Jan. 10, 2013 2:41 p.m.

Of course, the people behind Obamacare have a reputation for sneaking things
like this into bills. What other surprises are concealed in Obamacare? Revoking
your driving privileges could well be there also. We do not know a tenth part it
it. Better hold tight to your guns people, your liberties are eroding fast under
Obama rule.

FTsalt lake city, UT

Jan. 10, 2013 1:41 p.m.

Obamacare is looking better all the time. Ha-Ha!

merich39Salt Lake City, UT

Jan. 10, 2013 11:48 a.m.

"However, The Washington Post reports, physician groups and researchers see
the provision as part of an ongoing gun lobby strategy to cut off federal
support for studies of firearm violence."

The NRA is using its
cash and clout to squelch any research that might lead to open dialog about the
effects of gun ownership on society. It appears that, while the NRA are
obviously big supporters of the 2nd Amendment, they are not such big supporters
of the 1st Amendment.

As If!Layton, UT

Jan. 10, 2013 11:32 a.m.

I'm not a personal fan of guns, but I do believe people have a right to own
them. I think it is hilarious that this was put into Obamacare. Now if they
would only fix the flex acount spending so people, like myself with Multiple
Sclerosis, can use it to help pay for their expensive medications.