I rebooted my tivo before coming here to see what the issue is. Now I don't have any pay channels. So now I get to deal with comcast, ugh.

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I'd reboot it again, and manually unplug the Tuning Adapter (if you have one) for at least 15 seconds after the reboot starts.

Tuning Adapters don't truly get reset by a TiVo reboot, the flashing light is just it saying "I've lost communication with the device (TiVo) to which I am attached, or am I?".

Sometime a reboot brings the cablecard up in a way that's incomplete, and a second one will bring it back.

Sometimes it takes up to 15 minutes to get all the premium tables read-in, if a complete re-read of them to the cablecard is necessary, because the card has to read in all the basics, then work it's way up to the premiums, which come last.

I would like to know why we are not allowed to delete a recording in progress during this error. That is just stupid. We should be able to play anything, delete anything, and schedule anything, regardless if TiVo's servers are not available for any reason.

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This is what irritates me the most. Having a network outage is going to happen. It's inevitable (although they should be infrequent, and short-lived). And really, most of us wouldn't even care, as long as it was resolved forthwith.

But to make core functions dependent on talking to the mothership is incredibly poor design, and even worse, arrogant. I've always been a defender of TiVo, but this is (IMHO) very close to the type of behavior that will drive me away. As much as I love TiVo, I don't want my recording functionality dependent on their largesse.

This is what irritates me the most. Having a network outage is going to happen. It's inevitable (although they should be infrequent, and short-lived). And really, most of us wouldn't even care, as long as it was resolved forthwith.

But to make core functions dependent on talking to the mothership is incredibly poor design, and even worse, arrogant. I've always been a defender of TiVo, but this is (IMHO) very close to the type of behavior that will drive me away. As much as I love TiVo, I don't want my recording functionality dependent on their largesse.

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At least there will always be this thread to reference, when TiVo worshippers and fanboys claim this NEVER happens, or it's ALWAYS on the user's end (it's YOUR network problem, it's YOUR router), or TiVo tells you it's NOT due to ANYTHING they are aware of, or.............never mind I stopped myself.

Well that has nothing to do with the C133 error being discussed here. No way a TiVo service outage would cause that.

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Yes, I'm saying I rebooted my tivo due to me thinking a reboot may solve the C133 error (before coming here and realizing it was a TiVo server issue), and after it rebooted (twice) I have no premium channels, so I'm having to involve comcrap. Have been on hold for 45 minutes so far. I probably need to find that comcast cable card phone number to make things go quickly.

Yes, I'm saying I rebooted my tivo due to me thinking a reboot may solve the C133 error (before coming here and realizing it was a TiVo server issue), and after it rebooted (twice) I have no premium channels, so I'm having to involve comcrap. Have been on hold for 45 minutes so far. I probably need to find that comcast cable card phone number to make things go quickly.

Have you looked at the cablecard and (if relevant) Tuning Adapter diag screens? If you have ever looked at the status of the essential screens, there may be some helpful data there that might even stand out.

Had I known that TiVo service would be down every 3 or so days and make using the Roamio unusable for many functions (for instance I can't "View Upcoming Episodes" or do a search) I would NOT have moved away from my series3.

TiVo needs to have relevant functions fall back to searching against the downloaded database and not be reliant on access to apparently unstable tivo servers.

Quick way to just reboot the HDUI and make it attempt it's own (real-time) connection is (from TiVo Central): Thumbs-Down, Thumbs-Up, Play, Play.

Managed to force a manual TiVo Service Connection, still C133 error, tried UI reboot sequence, and hard-reboot, still there.

I'm a tad concerned that people doing full/hard reboots might wind up with data corruption, especially if the indexing/GC is in a vulnerable state.

It's rare, but it DOES happen. Just like 3 page long threads on a day-long C133 error, which might double the chances, and then quadruple it for those frequently rebooting without letting the databases settle.

I also have the C133 error on all my Tivo Premiere 4 and Mini's. Did the usual reboots and still have the error. However, one of my Mini's has successfully made it through the Network Connection exercise under the Settings and shows successful. But when I back out to Tivo Central... I still have the C133 error.

The thing that puzzles me is why does Netflix and Hulu Plus route through Tivo Servers anyway? If the Tivo has internet access and the Tivo Servers go down ... you should still be able to use Netflix and Hulu Plus! WTF Tivo?

I also have the C133 error on all my Tivo Premiere 4 and Mini's. Did the usual reboots and still have the error. However, one of my Mini's has successfully made it through the Network Connection exercise under the Settings and shows successful. But when I back out to Tivo Central... I still have the C133 error.

The thing that puzzles me is why does Netflix and Hulu Plus route through Tivo Servers anyway? If the Tivo has internet access and the Tivo Servers go down ... you should still be able to use Netflix and Hulu Plus! WTF Tivo?

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It's a security measure to stop people from running unsubscribed TiVos and getting any use out of anything. TiVo HD, Series 3, and earlier could do this. The first software shipped on the Premiere allowed it if it NEVER made a connection, so they closed up that loophole hard and fast.

I think since a lifetime sub stays with the unit and not the user, they should be somewhat unlocked, and not subject to revocation of service that is PAID IN FULL. IMHO. I guess they are too scared to let anything ever be in that state, instead requiring constant internet to work, in fear it would lead to a TiVo unlock hack (which if TiVo does their usual level of work, and testing, it likely would). IMHO

Quick way to just reboot the HDUI and make it attempt it's own (real-time) connection is (from TiVo Central): Thumbs-Down, Thumbs-Up, Play, Play.

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That's a neat trick, where did you learn that? It didn't help, but it's neat.

Like you I was able to get through a manual connection--the first failed during the download, the next two didn't even make it through the connection step, but the fourth time worked.

Some people said they weren't able to stop recordings in progress, but I can do that. I couldn't cancel an upcoming recording, but i could schedule a new recording, but then I couldn't cancel that one either. Odd behavior, that. TiVo-TiVo transfer seems to work fine.

I had a moment of panic (that's too strong a word) when I noticed it wasn't recording a couple of my Tuesday shows, then I realized they were repeats. Phew!

I've had several normally reliable sites misbehaving lately. I think all the IT people have been drafted to fix Obamacare.

Pretty sure everyone is getting the error. And the ads are downloaded to the box so it is not surprising they still work.

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Plus they still generate revenue for TiVo for every single time somebody brings the subject up and everybody clicks all the ads to check if all of theirs work. All those ad clicks are saved and WILL BE uploaded once the service is back up.

We lose functionality, TiVo still makes money, and then some, just because every mention of the ads still working makes people itchy to check them!

In what world is THIS right? Oh yeah, in the world of those worried more about TiVo going out of business than anything else. I sure hope those folks are giving a standing ovation to TiVo right now!

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