esodijeALBUQUERQUE, NMHave to agree with IQ92. BYU would be stupid
to make a national championship the goal of its football program; at the very
least, the type of players it would have to recruit and the rules it would have
to break to attract them to Provo (and keep them there), aren't worth the
fool's gold that a NC represents. Independence, and the fact that almost
all of the Y's games are on TV (ESPN, BYUtv, even NBC), solidified my
status as a Cougs fan, and I know many others like me. (The only games I
haven't been able to watch are the away games with the stupid PAC12, whose
sports network is practically a pay channel unto itself.) How would I feel if
the Y joined th4e Big 12? If it would mean that the Cougs wouldn't be on
TV, I'd say to heck with it.

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Any way you
cut it, ESPN BYUtv and even NBC are pay channels. By way of Direct TV, Comcast
or other, those channels are not free.

C'mon moderators. You let this through on the Harvey Langi story, but you
won't allow something much gentler on this one? Please explain.

DuckhunterHighland, UTAt this point I can't decide which
outcome will bring me more laughs and amusement. If he comes to BYU the utah
"fan" reaction will probably be even more hilarious than the speculation
reaction has been, but if he stays at utah we are then going to hear about how
great he is and a million other contradictions and funny pieces of hypocrisy.
Frankly either is a win but the truth is it has already been a win. I can't
remember the last thread that was this much fun.

I prefer Independence. We don't have to play the same teams year after
year. We also have opportunities to play all over the country.

I
still would enjoy having some associations such as ND had with the Big East and
now has with the ACC. I would like seeing BYU affiliate with the B12 in such a
way. Play five games a year, one neutral NFL stadium game, two home and two road
games. Rotate through the schedule so that the stadium game is different each
year, and play each team once every other year.

I want to see Army
and Navy on the schedule.

I want to see BYU go after the best teams
from the minor conferences. UCF and Houston/USU and Boise State/MTS fit the
bill this year for three conferences. Get Northern Ill and/or Ball State on the
schedule.

Ok, I have no idea where you heard that Sunday play
was not an issue for BYU getting into the Pac-12, but it was. Look it up
anywhere you like. The Pac-12 did not want to move their schedules to avoid
Sundays, so they immediately ruled BYU out, along with the fact that we are not
a research institution.

@Crow

Yes, I know utah makes more
revenue than BYU. I already mentioned that in my last comment. I said BYU
GENERATES more revenue. According to reports (which I know are not necessarily
accurate), BYU generates about 7 or 8 million dollars and they keep that money.
No more, no less. utah generates about 5 million but they will make about 20
million because of their Pac-12 membership.

And yes, it's true
BYU doesn't sell out all of our games, but we still averaged 59,000 people
per home game last year. I think we all know utah had a lot less people than
that, and therefore a lot less revenue.

"Ok, I have no idea where you
heard that Sunday play was not an issue for BYU getting into the Pac-12, but it
was. Look it up anywhere you like. The Pac-12 did not want to move their
schedules to avoid Sundays, so they immediately ruled BYU out, along with the
fact that we are not a research institution."

I never heard that
Sunday play was not an issue, not from a credible source. Your statement of
fact does not a credible source make. I know exactly where you heard that
Sunday play was an issue...byu fans made it up after Dick Harmon printed an
emotional article proclaiming the Pac-10 presidents and chancellors to be
bigots. byu fans began to attribute their misfortune to Sunday play and, as
with most things byu, speculation repeated becomes an absolute fact. .

Again, the Pac-10 presidents and chancellors were very clear about the
criteria to be met and Sunday play was never part of the equation. Desperate
and emotional byu fans made that up.

That said, you talk like you
have a credible source. Provide it, and I will happily read it.

"ESPN isnt a charitable organization.
Like any successful business, they make investments that provide a return. If
they didn't make more in ad revenue than they paid, they would renegotiate
the contract. Based on all athletic revenue, including TV ad revenue with ESPN,
BYU can generate more than Utah or Colorado. Would ESPN give a contract to every
team if they were independent? No.

So, according to you, byu adds
value because ESPN said so. Applying the same logic, you must agree that Utah
adds value and is a Pac-10 caliber institution...because the Pac-10 said so.
Who are you to argue with the Pac-10 / 12?

That is the screen name I used to use, but I typically use this one now.
I just forgot to change it. Same person though!

@Uteology

Do you want to know why the Virginia game got such low ratings? There was a 2
hour rain delay, and the game got moved off of ESPNU. Of course it had low
ratings. The game wasn't even going on when most people thought it was.

As for the Georgia Tech game, that is not a great rating, but it's
respectable. But do you really expect us to get a high rating playing MTSU? I
think Alabama vs. MTSU would have a pretty bad rating.

So one of the
games has a decent rating, while the other two have very legitimate explanations
for having bad ratings.

"The
U's Pac-10 affiliation is an affirmation by the Pac-10 universities of the
University of Utah's standing as a leading American university, also a
condition for Pa-10 membership and without which judgment, the invitation would
never have been extended." -David P. Gardner, President Emeritus of
the University of California Education System

"With the additions
of Utah and Colorado, the Pac-10 is joined with the two most prestigious
institutions in the Rocky Mountains." -Larry Scott, June 17, 2010

I'm sorry, Taysom4Heisman, in no way was Sunday play a condition of
Pac-10 membership. byu fans made that up and repeated it until it became a
fact.