Nice, belittle the fact that Lieberman can actually f=draw moderate Republicans and Independents into the Democratic Party. It's so much more fun to lose with 39% of "the Base"...

I was at the Lieberman town hall meeting referenced in these articles. What you failed to mention was the fact that attendees included about a dozen Democratic state legislators, the Democratic mayor of Manchester, a popular Democratic member of the Manchester school board, the executive director of the Manchester Democratic City Committee, the Vice Chairman of the New Hampshire Democratic Party, several members of the NH Young Democrats executive committee, and members of several local neighborhood advocacy groups.

But that would be letting the facts get in the way of the Democrat-bashing that you love, wouldn't it?

Procopius, the sad thing is that many of the Deanieboppers are so wrapped up in their little cult that they honestly do think that the Democratic Party sprung fully formed from the head of Howard Dean back in February.

Funny, considering the fact that it is Dean who was born, raised and remained a Reublican for much of his life. It's truly rich to see the scion of a wealthy family from the Hamptons held up as the great man of the people, and the son of a storekeeper from hardscrabble Stamford, CT painted as a cartoonish monopolist!

If these people were actually involved in Democratic politics in a way that went beyond yammering on 'net message boards, they wouldn't spew such idiocies.

40. "If most Democrats felt Joe represented them I guess I'd have to agree

with you"

You have to agree with him then. More people voted for Joe in 2000 that Bush or Cheney, or Clinton, or Carter, or Mondale. Now why would they vote for someone that doesn't represent them? You are slaming the choosen Vice President of the United States by Al Gore, the Democratic convention, and 49% of the United States Population. So, I think you are wrong. I don't agree with Joe on many of the issues. But I show him the respect he deserves.

39. Bu$h did not win a first term. Joe did and he lost the balls stand up

against the whore press and the suckpreme court who stole what belonged to Al Gore, Joe and the American people. So Joe should just step aside. He is brave enough to war monger with other peoples childrens lifes but he cannot stand up and demand for our votes to be counted? Joe is the last canidate on my list to vote for because he is no guts and lots of baloney like the loser squatting in Al Gore`s White House.PeaceWildmanAl Gore is My President

Anyway, he's not drawing Republicans into the Democratic Party. Hes alienating Democrats while drawing Republicans in to support HIM. His brand of politicing won't result in a strengthend and more united Democratic Party. It will result in losses for Democratic Congressfolk.

Nice, belittle the fact that Lieberman can actually f=draw moderate Republicans and Independents into the Democratic Party. It's so much more fun to lose with 39% of "the Base"...

I was at the Lieberman town hall meeting referenced in these articles. What you failed to mention was the fact that attendees included about a dozen Democratic state legislators, the Democratic mayor of Manchester, a popular Democratic member of the Manchester school board, the executive director of the Manchester Democratic City Committee, the Vice Chairman of the New Hampshire Democratic Party, several members of the NH Young Democrats executive committee, and members of several local neighborhood advocacy groups.

But that would be letting the facts get in the way of the Democrat-bashing that you love, wouldn't it?

He's used his trump card... the refusal of this country to approach the Road Map with any even handedness....to make Dean out to be some kind of terrorist supporter. It's his only card, and if people fall for it, so be it. Most people I know are willing to support ANY candidate running so far, EXCEPT Lieberman. He's a Repug in drag...and has the ability to raise funds, because many of the neocon money will go to him. He supports their agenda of military domination of the Gulf Region....and doesn't give a crap who has to die for them to accomplish that. Dean was absolutely right in his statement about the settlers having to withdraw from the occupied territories. That's reality. That's a fact of life. I give him credit for having the guts to say that in a national campaign. Lieberman is as into relgious fervor as Bush...and should come out of the closet and admit he's a right wing republican.

is the sorry state of the NH Democratic Party. The 2002 election sucked hugely, and one reason why is the NH Dem Party Leadership. Ray Buckley's shrinkwrapped Libermanmobile is an embarassment. As long as the upper party echelon in this state continues to stay in the middle of the road, or even driving on the right - we will continue to lose every single election.

OK, so now Buckley's PT Cruiser is a reason not to vote for Lieberman...

Let's review a few facts.

1. Buckley isn't a major decision-maker in the campaign. It's Peter Greenberger and Bob Quinn who handle most day-to-day matters, with heavy input from former congressman Dick Swett on big-picture issues.

2. Some of Buckley's most bitter rivals within the House Democratic caucus are supporting Lieberman, including Reps. Lori Movsesian, Betty Laskey and Peter Sullivan, all of whom opposed Buckley's re-election as Minority Whip last winter.

3. Most of the upper-level party leadership is still with Kerry, so if you have a complaint with the state of the party, look to the campaign that hired such political geniuses as Judy Reardon and Ken Robinson.

4. That silly car has actually won Lieberman a lot of positive press, and was a great prop at Old Home Days, parades, football games and the like. Oh, wait, I'm talking about normal people, not the intellectually superior folks who back "thoughtful" candidates like Dean and Kucinich.

and the hyperbole. I said the car is an embarassment - and that's all I said. I don't believe I said anything about Ray's participation in Lieberman's campaign. I suggest you stop reading between unwritten lines.

Oh, wait, I'm talking about normal people, not the intellectually superior folks who back "thoughtful" candidates like Dean and Kucinich.

So if it's the intellectually superior folks who back Dean and Kucinich - what does that say about the collective intelligence of the Lieberman backers.

I live in the land of "normal" people, here in NH. I don't know a single Lieberman supporter - and I know a fair portion of the Democrats in Carroll County.

I have plenty of complaints about party leadership - and I have made them, repeatedly. Again - as long as we imitate Republicans we will continue to lose every election.

I can't stand the guy and I've been a Democrat since I was able to vote (that would be 20+ years.) I'm bashing Lieberman, not Democrats. I'd be INCREDIBLY disappointed in this party if they had a hand in Lieberman getting the nomination.

Better strategy would be to put someone up there who could appeal to the base and the swing voters. Dean, Kerry, ... would all do a far better job of that than Lieberman.

Dean has almost no appeal to swing voters. Nominate Howie and we can kiss off Louisiana, Arkansas, West Virginia, New Hampshire, Missouri and pretty much any other swing state.

What you folks don't realize is that while Dean has a very dedicated base of support, he has also stirred up extremely negative feelings as well. Many people, including many Democrats, believe that Dean is utterly lacking in the temperament and thoughtfulness they want in a president, and find his (and his supporters) arrogance to be highly irritating.

Howard Brush Dean III spends six months badmouthing the other Demcorats in the field, lies about Kerry's and Edward's voting records, and allows his supporters to disrupt opponent's speeches with hecklers, but god forbid anybody should hit the little s.o.b. back.

Politics ain't beanbag, people. If you want to play rough, expect a few elbows in return.

Lieberman wouldn't get a dime's worth of support in any of the states you name. Howard Dean might not get much, but he'd sure as hell be better at galvanizing support in the midwest and "Rust Belt" than Lieberman.

I just have no use for Lieberman. Someone who's made his political career being a finger-pointing moralist isn't someone I want as the nominee for my party.

any Democrats and there is no mention of Democratic Reps/mayors/officials present.

Now, I don't think you should be swearing at me because of the impression that I got from the two articles on Lieberman. Why don't you take it up with the authors of the articles instead of typing f words at me.

We need a less crowded field, and Republicans need some choices in their primary! He would be a great candidate for the Christain Coalition, he can challenge shrub on not passing enough taxcuts, and rip him for not sending enough nukes, troops, and money into Iraq. I would love seeing a Lieberman-Shrub primary debate!!

Democratic presidential candidate Joe Lieberman is taking his campaign right into the homes of Granite State voters.

He's launched "Operation: Liebermania" - going door-to-door in the early primary state of New Hampshire. Kathleen Timbas of Concord had her questions about health care and the environment ready to go by the time the Connecticut senator landed on her doorstep on Sunday.

"I found it helpful," said Timbas, a financial analyst who favors one of Lieberman's rivals, former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean.

The latest poll of New Hampshire Democrats has Lieberman tied with Rep. Dick Gephardt at 7 percent, a distant third behind Dean and Sen. John Kerry.

"IF so and so wins the nomination, I'm staying home. Let Bush win, I don't care. I don't care about the party, I don't care about the country, I'm staying home."

Yeah, that's productive and helpful, all right.

Think about it for a minute. Lieberman has about 10% nationally, maybe a bit more. If those 10% of Democrats tune in to what is being said here, is it unreasonable for them to say, "Oh yeah? Well if your guy wins, then I'M staying home!"

This election is going to be close, just as close as the last one. So if you are willing to go ahead and blow off Democrats with whom you disagree, you may as well send a check to Dubya for his 2nd Inaugural Ball, because we can't afford to lose ANYBODY.

Politics isn't some utopian fantasy, it's the real world. We don't always get what we want. People need to grow up and face the fact that they NEED to support the nominee, not just if they "like" him and his positions. If Lieberman or anybody else wins a majority of delegates, that means they have the support of the party. If you support the party, you will support the nominee. Or you support Bush.

talked about people "falling in love" with their candidate. That's what Democrats typically do. Republicans don't expect to fall in love with a candidate, but they always fall in line to vote for their nominee.

Bill went on to say that we all can fall in love during the primaries but after the nominee is selected we need to fall in line and take back the White House.

And as Harry Truman said, "Always vote for the best man. He will be the Democrat."

I don't want to vote for Joe Lieberman. I don't want to vote for Howard Dean.But if I don't vote for the Democrat in November 2004, I'm voting for Bush*. And if YOU don't vote for the Democrat in November 2004, YOU'RE voting for Bush*.

Unless you know you can leave this country soon after the election, I don't think it's a smart risk to take.

52. I can only hope you are doing something to confront Computerized Voting

Otherwise, heck vote for Bush as if it means a DAMN.

Computerized voting, as we are beginning to realize from 2002 and in Texas recently, allows fraud to flourish without any way to prove the fraud. How will we ever be able to prove those elections were indeed valid? We won't, because there is NO TANGIBLE PROOF from which we can even begin to track. This is the beginning of a Soviet-type government if there is no tangible way to track a vote. If we cant prove the vote ocurred, what power do we have as American citizens? We have to make this issue known to all Americans.

There is NO way to verify a valid election WITHOUT a way to track it. Without any tangible proof, elections are left only to faith and ultimately denial. Does that make you feel confident when you punch or click the button???

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