A Sad Day For America: Ted Kennedy Is Dead

It’s a sad day. Ted Kennedy, lion of the left, has passed from this world. A vibrant melting pot of Americans of every persuasion mourn the loss, and hope to carry on his ideals in their own lives.

I, too, shed a tear. With a lump in my throat, I have written a deeply felt eulogy for Senator Kennedy. Pardon the hastily penned thoughts, but the words came spilling out of me like a deluge.

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You, Senator Kennedy, are the slime and detritus of fish shit and flotsam that collects on the stones sitting at the bottom of the Chappaquiddick brine.

You, Senator Kennedy, are the bloated fermented sack of pestilent traitorous lying filth who helped pass the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 that in its effects has been a de facto genocide by another name against America’s majority and soon to be minority native sons and daughters, and from which calamitous effects you have spent a lifetime hypocritically barricading yourself behind the safe gates of lily white oases.

You, Senator Kennedy, are the greasy smegma that rings the pustuled, syphilitic cockhead of a piss and shit-stained gutter bum washed up on our streets with the help of an unlimited supply of family reunification visas.

You, Big Fat Fuck Ted, are a genuine American Traitor, brazenly disloyal to the American people while blindingly loyal to your twisted, fetid equalist ideology, and who should be thankful a blessed cancer ate your brain to mush instead of a hangman’s noose breaking your neck in the public square.

You, Kennedy scion, are an Avatar of the Great Lie, a repugnant purveyor of damnable falsehoods. The people of Massachusetts shame themselves in endlessly returning you to office.

Benedict Arnold commends you.

MS-13 laughs at you.

And I, Dear Dead Leader, do the happy dance over the gravesite of your lousy rotting corpse.

The Ninth Circle of Hell, Round 2: “Traitors to political entities, such as party, city, or country, are located here. The souls here are immersed in the ice deep enough that they are unable to bend their necks.”

I’m as jingoistic as the next but America is better for immigration not the lesser for it. Welcome the hard working, cause us lazy-fat Americans need people manning our machines on this side of the pond.

go out over the next few nights and see how many girls you can goad into a conversation about ted kennedy. once they’ve recounted all the haliographic bullshit they’ve read in the washington post and the new york times, go on to destroy the image of old dead senator douchebag with a few inconvenient biographic facts.

your focus on immigration, thought, might not be the way to go. insted i would stick to mentioning how the americans with disabilites act has probably worked against disabled workers, because now companies have added incentive not to hire them. and of course there’s no child left behind. mention how all those poor brown kids in inner city schools are no longer being taught anything but how to take a standardized test. point out that all his big government, top-down, bureacratic originations have actually had the effect of making life worse for the very people he claimed to be helping, while at the same time ensuring that he, and his kind, continued to operate as oligarchs in what is supposed to be a democracy.

i predict that if dead kennedy game is executed properly i will at least result in some very good grudge-fucking, and probably anal on the first night.

First, our cities will not be flooded with a million immigrants annually. Under the proposed bill, the present level of immigration remains substantially the same … Secondly, the ethnic mix of this country will not be upset …

The bill will not flood our cities with immigrants. It will not upset the ethnic mix of our society. It will not relax the standards of admission. It will not cause American workers to lose their jobs.

@lynch- There is something about having respect for the dead. It’s one of those old fashioned values that Americans have let go. We should give Ted’s body some time to cool down before “we” start riping his life apart.

*sigh*

At least that’s the way the elderly people in my family view it.

*shrugs shoulders*

chic, he wasn’t worthy of respect when he was alive
depends on who you’re talking too lynch.

What can be said of a man who fervently supported the wrecking a his own nation?

unfortunately this is par for the course for much of the political elite. the best way to understand the kennedys is to remember that they are the product of an old-school, big city political machine. the purpose of a political machine is to expand the control of government into as many areas as possible, thereby expanding the number of people who rely on the government for their well-being.

harvard economist ed glaeser wrote a really great paper about a one-time boston mayor who did everything he could to drive the better-educated, more prosperous anglo residents out of boston in order to increase the percentage of poorer irish residents, because they supported him. this is from the executive summary:

James Michael Curley, a four-time mayor of Boston, used wasteful redistribution to his poor Irish constituents and incendiary rhetoric to encourage richer citizens to emigrate from Boston, thereby shaping the electorate in his favor. Boston as a consequence stagnated, but Curley kept winning elections.

are you a white supremacist? why are you against the diverse ethnic make up the united states? half-breeds are hot, and allowing individuals from non-European to immigrate into this country has contributed significantly to the number of beautiful girls in this country.

if you have only banged only white American and European women, then I recant my comment.

True. I am also struggling to balance respect for the dead with this guy’s legacy as a Freddy Quimby (“the punch has been spiked,” “say it frenchie, it’s chowda.”).

Luckily, I just look to the left and see how respectful they were when Reagan died or in their apolitical respect for the dead at the Wellstone funeral.

Ted Kennedy, i.e., Freddy Quimby, should also be remembered for his letter to the USSR offering to undermine the US during the Cold War, getting caught cheating in law school, and for leading the police in a car chase.

As for immigration, his efforts always seemed to me to be an effort to fire the American voters. The Scots-Irish and assorted make-up of this country was too anti-communist for his liking, so he decided to dilute the freedom loving gene pool with people more, ah, reliant and desirous for government cheese.

As a member of the national security community, you are dead correct that intelligence agencies of foreign countries, BOTH friend and foe, use sexual leverage to gain access to secure inormation. Its a powerful recruiting tool.

ASF:
“Of course one wonders if the response would be the same, if, all other things being equal, Kennedy was a lifelong Republican. I think he’d probably be venerated, and Mary Jo dismissed as a left-wing hippie who got what she deserved. Again, this too would not be surprising.”

There’s something funny about atheistic nihilists exulting in the death of a biological organism, a colony of cells, a clump of atoms. As if some supernatural cosmic and divine justice that they surely can’t believe in has been served, and that the dead organism will now be punished with a fate somehow different from that which awaits their own organic matter.

Your genes were encased in a bunch of fish millions of years ago, and in pools of foul bacteria before that. The younger genes mutated out of them. Even in the extremely unlikely scenario that any of the genes existing today in the Earth’s ecology survive a non-trivial amount of time into the future, the only fate that awaits them is annihilation. As the sun goes, so do the genes. And lest all you sci-fi nerds out there imagine that the genes will survive in some advanced civilization that colonizes another part of the universe and thus manage to escape the fate of our sun, remember that across such massive lengths of time genes will mutate randomly – enough so that they will be as different in the future from us as we are from our ancestral fish and bacteria.

There is more than a bit of cognitive dissonance here. People who disparage a despicable and decadent nihilist like Ted Kennedy for his nation and ethny destroying efforts, yet can’t be bothered to reproduce their own ethnies and transmit their own genes and ethnies into the future. People who can’t look beyond their next meaningless fuck. Grade A onanists, really. People whose own goals aren’t the transmission of their own genes and ethnies, but of living long enough to take advantage of some imminent fantastical technology that will enable them to morph into cyborgs, and become permanent walking, talking hard drives – or something.

No doubt Ted Kennedy was a vile, despicable, traitorous man. But much of these attacks on him are just one big exercise in projection. Nihilists know one of their own when they see one. The meaningless void, horror, darkness they cannot face within themselves they place upon on a putrid corpse.

chic, yes i do, you know why? so women STOP DOING WHAT THEY DO TO GET HIT

i have seen it time and time again, a man is angry at something (not the woman) and is raging on and on about it. a woman pipes up–defends that thing, which does NOT, contrary to female opinion, calm the man down, all it does is give the man’s rage something new to focus on–HER

that’s what men are like, chic, nothing will save women more trouble and pain than recognizing the truth.

dont know enough about this. can someone give an objective summary of the actions taken by TK which contributed all this damage to the country? also please describe specifically how this country is now worse because of him. sounds like something about letting in people of other races is the problem Im hearing.

also chic, people who didn’t deserve respect in life don’t deserve in death either. he was a loathesome piece of human flotsam, the kennedy’s are hopped up trash the “liberal” left want to make into a heriditary aristocracy–i’m thrilled that the last link to yech “camelot” *barf* is gone and i hope america’s yearning to be ruled over by kings and queens goes with it

It’s not a left or right thing, BTW. The left is full of projection, sure. They liked to believe that W was what Kennedy actually was.

Overall, Kennedy was a spoiled brat who apparently fell in love with socialist causes and worked very hard for them once his family used their influence to install him in the family Senate chair.

His personal behavior was not that great. His politics was a blanket rejection of American history and society and his policies that he advocated did everything to eradicate our greatness when he could.

Like Pelosi, he was a robotic, shameless, partisan hack.The rules didn’t apply to him (see how he tried to change the Mass. Senatorial vacancy rules to suit the political situation). He also opposed off-shore windmills where it would ruin the view from his precious vacation homes. His world view chose America’s enemies over herself or her allies without fail (except when it helped his political allies, like Clinton bombing Bosnia).

His final acts as he clung to life also belie his desire for single-payer health care. The system he advocated would have made his available treatments much limited or had him given “the pill” for pain over expensive treatment.

As for immigration, immigration without integration is colonization. The melting pot works only when the new-comers are taught to appreciate the new country, not to hate it, which is what his teacher-union com-symps taught.

By American’s native sons you mean the poor Native American’s that live slowly decaying reservations, right?

You are going to be speaking Chinese soon and you’re worried about your gardner?

No wonder America’s going to the toilet. The only people with balls are puerile xenophobic nihilists, while the people with reasonable congnitive processes are too busy furthering some feminist dictated agenda.

Dana, I made one comment on the topic and have keep it moving. I haven’t debated( and don’t care to) anyone who feels differently.

P.S. I don’t have a problem with a man venting and I understand that men feel the need to vent esp to women. Sometimes that I actually encourage it from the commenters who’ve been around for a while and whose e-personalities I know.

Dana so women STOP DOING WHAT THEY DO TO GET HIT

What do men do that’s deserving of them being hit? Or are men such superior beings that they are never wrong?

also chic, people who didn’t deserve respect in life don’t deserve in death either

I just want his body to cool first. Of course people should and are going to criticize his life and works. Just give him a minute to find a comfortable spot in his finial resting place.

dana and i hope America’s yearning to be ruled over by kings and queens goes with it

Not to go off topic but …Dana, this sentence speaks more about human nature than the Kennedy’s. We’ve replaced the Kennedy’s with rich people and Hollywood celebrities. America is a society with ascribed status like any other part of the word. Don’t let anyone fool you.
FYI, Caroline is still around.

“If Chebrikov’s account of events is accurate, it’s clear Mr. Kennedy was actively engaging the Russians to influence the 1984 election. He also seems to have genuinely believed that Mr. Reagan’s policies were endangering U.S.-Soviet relations and that the best solution was to get Mr. Reagan out of office. The letter closes with Chebrikov saying that “Tunney remarked that the senator wants to run for president in 1988,” possibly suggesting Mr. Kennedy had other, more selfish motives. ”

Lucifer,
It wasn’t the skin color of the people, it was the dominate and very successful culture that was destroy by the large influx of immigrants. But frankly the people wanting to come here were not to blame (who wouldn’t want a better life for their kids?) it was the people from the dominate group telling everyone to hate there own civilization. You can’t get people to join the bigger group by telling them it’s evil and should be destroyed.

This is a pretty silly article and I can’t help but shake my head at some of the comments. He made mistakes, but no person is perfect. I do believe Senator Kennedy carried himself with grace. If we could honor Jesse Helms despite his bigoted past, why not Ted?

I’m as jingoistic as the next but America is better for immigration not the lesser for it. Welcome the hard working, cause us lazy-fat Americans need people manning our machines on this side of the pond.

No retard we do not need nor do we net benefit but rather hugely net net lose from allowing the mass immigration of people in ethnicities that we then permit or require affirmative action, i.e. discrimination in their favor, to be extended to. And to their offspring. Automatically.

Family reunification immigration is a huge cost to the country. Bringing in grandma and then putting her on social security disability when she never contributed into it one iota. That’s your Ted.

Sure some limited and carefully chosen immigration of the talented (or the rich bringing capital) is a net benefit to the country. That’s not remotely what Ted was focused on.

Instead he cared most about making what he considered a shining multicultural moral statement to the country and the world.

He was indeed the murderer of Mary Jo Koepechne, basically drowning her pregnant body in a pond after almost-assuredly intentionally driving off a bridge in Chappaquidick (on his beloved-overwhelmingly white exclusive Martha’s Vinyard) and walking away from it, only notifying the police about a day later about a “car accident”. He used the “bullshit blackout” defense about forgetting what happened. She was murdered in my opinion, and in the opinion of many others.

The guy should have been in prison for the rest of his life for that alone, he killed a woman and his own unborn child.

Kennedy drove his loving faithful wife, Joan (who was also a pretty lady in her day), into “falling-down-street-drunk” alcoholism with his constant cheating on her. He broke her heart and her spirit. She gave him several children and was devoted to him, and that was the thanks she got.

Kennedy also has been an enthusiastic supporter of illegal immigration by de-fanging every common-sense approach to curtail it, and was a dim-witted signator and supporter of Emmanuel Cellar’s and Jacob Javitt’s-crafted 1965 Immigration DEform Act. Cellar and Javitts, who hated the American majority, knew exactly what they were doing. Ted, routinely whispered-about as “the dumbest Senator” for a couple of decades, might not have at the time, but as the 80’s became the 90’s surely did recognize what he had done, yet didn’t do anything to to review the act to reform it.

Ted Kennedy was the type of “alpha” that would bow down to every feminist-wish with via his legislative position to make his own status rise amongst the pussy, damaging the nation he was to represent over and over again. He is the worst kind of “leader”, who took the easy way out politically over and over again. He basically made war on the betas to aggrandize himself.

Has it ever occured to you that sexual blackmail might really be an effective tool of foreign intelligence operations? I mean we KNOW Larry Craig has been a homo for 20+ years. Lindsey Graham**** is almost certainly gay. The rumors about Trent Lott never ended. There are more than a few rumored-bi-sexual (lesbians) in the House and Senate. I have long wondered why particular senators take positions that infuraite their constituents on particular issues that they seemingly have nothing to gain from politically. David Vitter from Lousiana (Senate) was just the latest to let indiscriminate poon derail his political career, and we all know about Mark Sanford.

If I were the Chi-cons for instance, and wanted a particular vote from a member of a committee (to bottle up the vote ‘in committee’ and never let it reach the floor), and thought that I could induce one senator with hired talent to to fuck, you bet I’d have it video-tapped to blackmail the guy. Once presented with the family-ruining evidence, he’d be your boy for the rest of his career.

BTW—-You are very right to guard your privacy. I’d be very careful with any images of yourself also. The only debates worth having with anyone can be done anonymously though pseudonyms online perfectly fine. There is an electronic record lasting forever of everything we ever wrote online. Plausible deniability is necessary these days.

Ted Kennedy is everything that is wrong with America. George W Bush was the GRATEST president to have ever lived, becuse he wanted to turn America into a Christian natshoin. All you libtards love Ted “KKK”ennedy and Bill KKKlinton because liberals hate America and Chrsitian morals. Oh, and DC and Massashoosetts is the worst states in America because they are so liberal!

The conservative Christian revolution is coming, libs. Your boy Obama who borned in Kemya is going to loose re-election in 2012. You can bet on it.

Of course one wonders if the response would be the same, if, all other things being equal, Kennedy was a lifelong Republican. I think he’d probably be venerated, and Mary Jo dismissed as a left-wing hippie who got what she deserved. Again, this too would not be surprising.

Since that’s the way conservatives are, I’m sure you’ll be able to find the Republic Senator/House Member/President/Governor/Some State Seat where this is the case.

You liberals LOVE demanding that Conservatives prove every. single. thing, so why don’t you, skip, provide us with this example you are oh-so-sure exists.

Of course one wonders if the response would be the same, if, all other things being equal, Kennedy was a lifelong Republican. I think he’d probably be venerated, and Mary Jo dismissed as a left-wing hippie who got what she deserved. Again, this too would not be surprising.

Conservatives voters actually do demand somewhat better personal behavior than Liberal voters…. though both Republican and Democrat politicians work together and are effectively identical.

Of course, as a Liberal, ASF, you are ENTITLED to your opinion…. even though you can’t back it up.

Oh, you can?

Then, I’m sure you’ll be able to find the Republic Senator/House Member/President/Governor/Some State Seat where this is the case.

You liberals LOVE demanding that Conservatives prove every. single. thing, so why don’t you provide us with this example you are oh-so-sure exists.

It is that simple. Yet, America is doing the reverse. America is making it very hard for highly skilled law-abiding people to come here, while making it easy for low-skilled illegals to get freebies.

I say we should have free unlimited immigration of anyone with a college degree from a recognized university in their country (the number of these is still not as high as you think). Only 30% of US citizens have college degrees, so this would uplift the income and educational level of the workforce (and reduce outsourcing, as those people are here). This would bring in about 1 million educated workers per year.

We should also keep out any people who are below college education. They cost more than they contribute. A lot more.

He does not need to worry about losing anonymity with this post because, as a matter of law, you can’t defame the dead.

Aside from that, the post is pretty obvious and not worth getting excited about. Kennedy was widely idolized by the left, so of course come his death, those on the right will dance on his grave and hurl every manner of insults. Just like the parable of the fox and the scorpion, it’s just the nature of things.

Of course one wonders if the response would be the same, if, all other things being equal, Kennedy was a lifelong Republican. I think he’d probably be venerated, and Mary Jo dismissed as a left-wing hippie who got what she deserved. Again, this too would not be surprising.

As for the immigration angle, HBD and its ilk basically amount to the proposition that all the black and hispanic people basically degrade society and we would be better off without them. I think Asians are okay, however. Despite this belief, I have never seen evidence of the right leaning community mustering any effective political strategy (i.e. supporting certain candidates, etc.) to accomplish their goals. Nor have I seen any formulation of politically palatable arguments that could be sold to white people who don’t feel quite as strongly about this issue. I have seen a lot of sturm und drang on the internets, however. It surely does not help that the business community, the beating heart at the center of Republicanism, actually favors illegal immigration because of the incredibly cost savings cheap labor provides.

I do think our system should probably be more like the Canadian system, where points are awarded for various traits to determine eligibility. But then we’ll get doctors and engineers driving taxi’s.

Liberals are a threat to America because they have infiltrated our universities, Hollywood, and Europe, and are anti-Christian values. Its little wonder that godless scumbag liberals live in elitist cities like DC, New York, and Massashoosets. Ted Kennedy was the anti-Christ, along with JFK and Obama, and Ted is burning in hell to a crsip as we speek.

All you atheists and liberals make me sick. I have had more success converting drunks to Christianity than godless libs, than otherwise. At least drunks are free of their mind and are open and willing to free their minds. And yes, they still have the beleifs today. Liberals and atheists = uninformed, closeminded usless moronns!

Holy! Look at all these leftists coming out of the woodwork to defend their buddy. Roissy hit the nail on the head.

As for native indians, they are a conquered people. They were living in the stone age before whites showed up and created the United States. Not wanting to be conquered and displaced as the indians were does not make one a hypocrite; it is actually a sign of intelligence, especially when you look at the sort of people who are displacing us.

I too hate it when they’re called “liberals’ and “progressives”. Nothing productive comes from doing so and alienates those on the left who might have a spark of intelligence left in thier heads (not to mention, the moderates look very poorly on such word games).

And I agree, which is why I think ‘governmentalist’ works.

Technically, I prefer to call them statists, but it’s not a catchy word, and it’s often misunderstood (or otherwise doesn’t on-its-face have a negative connotation).

Speaking of misunderstood, let me define it for you

Governmentalist. (Noun). A person who thinks freedom is the disease and government interference is the curative salve.

Good riddance to bad rubbish. Been looking forward to this for some time.

If I didn’t have an important day at work staring at me, I’d tear up this town tonight. As it is, I’ll have to settle for a few stiff drinks – and await the celebratory phone calls I’m sure to get. That and crank up some old Dead Kennedys.

Sweet. Really sweet. Here’s to hoping that sick, traitorous bastard has a particularly painful stay in hell. He’s earned every bit of it and then some.

Btw, I’ve been a long time reader. This was the first time I’ve chimed in on the comments section.

If anyone cares to look how wretched the Kennedy clan is, look into how they lobotomized his sister because she was “acting up” and embarassing the family.

Absolutely horrid.

Here’s a quote that’ll up your rage.

“”We went through the top of the head, I think she was awake. She had a mild tranquilizer. I made a surgical incision in the brain through the skull. It was near the front. It was on both sides. We just made a small incision, no more than an inch.” The instrument Dr. Watts used looked like a butter knife. He swung it up and down to cut brain tissue. “We put an instrument inside,” he said. As Dr. Watts cut, Dr. Freeman put questions to Rosemary. For example, he asked her to recite the Lord’s Prayer or sing “God Bless America” or count backwards. … “We made an estimate on how far to cut based on how she responded.” … When she began to become incoherent, they stopped.”

You’re obviously pretty thick, as are most gliberals in Amerika, but I think if you bothered reading Roissy’s blog for a few weeks you’d realize there aren’t many neo-cons or Bible thumpers around here. Certainly not among the regulars.

HTH.

Oh, and why don’t you take a long drive off a short….ah, never mind! Gotta respek the dead!

Have you taken a look at the list of american nobel prize winners? Most are first, second or third generation immigrants. Over 95% of them. Read their quick biographies.

Gee, ya notice anything else about them, like where they came from (hint: not Latin America or Africa)?

100 years ago all we needed were warm bodies to work in factories. Didn’t matter if they were illiterate so long as they could sit on the assembly line. Today, we’ve outsourced all our manufacturing overseas, so the argument for importing hordes of illiterate Third World peasants is weak at best.

One more thing…look at all those science and engineering classes…all those math intensive classes fill with people of colour(pacific asians, east asians and foreign born blacks) and eastern europeans student…..Simply because americans are not interested in hard sciences.

Yeah, sure, keep banning foreign immigrants.

Once again, look at the list of american nobel prize winners in science…95% of them are first, second or third generation immigrants…you dont even have to go too far…just look at the winners in the last 5 to 10 years. They are either immigrants, children or grand children of immigrants…all of them. When you are done with that…take further look at a quick biographies of the rest of them as far back as the early 1900s…95% of them are immigrants, children of immigrants or grand children of immigrants.

They most certainly are! An odd handful will assimilate, but when you open the floodgates, they remain asian. Go to any chinatown. I don’t know where you live, but my city has a few hundred thousand Chinese. By and large, they are filthy, awkward creatures. I’d rather live with rednecks.

ASDF Those immigrants came from EUROPE! High IQ Europeans who could fit into American culture because

No, most weren’t of high IQ or the top classes of the societies from which they came . Read a few books on how the potato famine lead to Irish immigration into American. Most were the dregs of their society just like the bulk of the immigrants, as well as blk people in America today. Most came with the clothes on their back and maybe a small nap sack.

Very few had more than a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of.

Jews were different. since they were being heavily discriminated against at the time, most who were allowed to come in, had something to offer.

ASDF they looked,
very true, although the brown eyed blk haired Euros are a different story.

ASDF thought, and acted like white Americans.

not quite, reread your history books. in NYC we have some white ethnic neighborhoods and there are differences. Having traveled to a few European countries, I can tell you there are some cultural (and physical )differences. Also, not all White Europeans share a common language (and there are different language families ).

don’t want to turn this thread into a race thread so I will hold here or you can meet me in the jealousy thread.

They most certainly are! An odd handful will assimilate, but when you open the floodgates, they remain asian. Go to any chinatown. I don’t know where you live, but my city has a few hundred thousand Chinese. By and large, they are filthy, awkward creatures.

That is absurd. Their average income and educational level exceeds that of whites. This is the AVERAGE, not just a few exceptions.

If you were a real thinker rather than a jingoistic bigot, you would know this.

BTW, define ‘assimilate’. I get the idea that if person A eats apple pie and watches baseball, but earns minimum wage, while if person B comes here, works as a PhD scientist, buys a house, and pays a lot of taxes off of his high income, but still uses chopsticks or follows cricket scores you would still prefer person A.

If so, you are a grave threat and huge burden to the prosperity of America.

Europeans dont think like americans. If you’ve interacted with enough europeans, you will notice that they are NOT AMERICANS. In fact, i am sure some of you think Europena communities are fervently liberal/socialist/communists with all their socialized medicine and welfare programs. Europeans are nothing like americans. Particularly people from eastern europe.

I am not sure how many of you here were science/engineering student in college. But most science/engineering science classes are dominated by (a) asians (b)eastern europeans (c)foreign born blacks. Particularly when you look at the ratio of representation in science classes versus racial population in college.

Dont take my word for it. Flip through engineering/science research journals and look at the name of the people getting published.

1) one group legally came to the united states under the immigration acts at the turn of the century

j.d., forgive me for being an azz but who decides what is legal? Were the native Americans asked what they thought about European immigration.

Many white Americans were not happy about European immigration. They saw Europeans as a threat.

currie There was a European man discovered in North America long before the Native Americans. Can’t remember the cats name.
naw, he was just light skinned so he don’t count.
j/k
gotta keep the humour going.

“No, most weren’t of high IQ or the top classes of the societies from which they came . Read a few books on how the potato famine lead to Irish immigration into American. Most were the dregs of their society just like the bulk of the immigrants, as well as blk people in America today. Most came with the clothes on their back and maybe a small nap sack.”

Chic: These attempted comparisons of Irish immigrants (or ANY European immigrants) to the THIRD-WORLD immigrants of today are always absurd. Just incredibly lame to throw that against the wall and call it an argument.

The “dregs” of Ireland are very different from the dregs of El Salvador.

Think fast, chic: What do you get when you bring millions of third-world people into one place? A third-world country.

There are enough third-world countries in Central America and Asia. We don’t need another one here.

Most human beings ( mostly men) have a very evil core darling. They can do very evil things in a fight for resources so Libra &Congo(whiskey is wrong here).

Not a productive or healthy way for you to think, chic, and predictive of misandry. The different genders support, motivate and enable each other in their different crimes. Men’s sins are usually more visible and direct but that does not make them worse and more evil in nature.

Chic – who decides what is legal? Representatives in the House and Senate, among other factions.

And, being Native American (Chickasaw), I resent your absurd question. What were the Native Americans of centuries ago fighting for? To preserve primitive tribalism? What was their beef with the white man – that they took ‘their land’? Nonsense. The American Indians had no conception of property rights whatsoever – everything belonged to everyone, and as such, have no claim of right to any land. If anything, American Indians should be remembered for the disgusting abuse and treatment they received under government force.

That said, your response rests on either 1 of two points: Europeans had no right to step on the soil of North America, or 2) By reason that the Europeans brought civilization to North America did they claim their right to the property rights that they believed and protected.

No, and the reason is that America is a nation, like every other on earth, and as such defined by its original stock peoples. In America’s case, it’s about 85% white (mostly anglo-saxon), 12% slave-descended black, and 3% other.

I’d accept any immigration that restores and preserves those America-defining proportion. Given today’s realities, I’d be persuadable toward skewing those numbers a bit in favor of east Asians and non-Muslim Asians and Arabs, but in small numbers.

Indians like yourself, for example are an asset as individuals, but too many Indians here, and it’s no longer America. Similar to how I may be an asset in Korea, but too many of me there, and it’s no longer Korea.

dealth bring life onto the board I am not sure how many of you here were science/engineering student in college. But most science/engineering science classes are dominated by (a) asians (b)eastern europeans (c)foreign born blacks. Particularly when you look at the ratio of representation in science classes versus racial population in college.

reply to bold most people here want to ignore this unpleasant truth but blk Africans do very well in school. It’s usually the Nigerians and sometimes Kenyans & Ethiopians in the hard Sciences.

Of course people overlook this because the get grouped in with the African-American population by non blks.

death If you’ve interacted with enough europeans, you will notice that they are NOT AMERICANS.

Very true. The Dutch are were the most glaring example for me. They are physically very different from Americans. Even the diet is different. While in the Netherlands, it was the first time I felt short.

The case was decided wrongly at the lower court level and not appealed.

Nonetheless Roissy is in the clear. He’s never gone after an individual who isn’t a public figure, where he’s identified that individual by their real world identity. US libel laws afford public figures very little, amounting almost zero, protection. I.e. the requirements for successful suit are enormous.

As well both truth and opinion are protected from successful libel attack. Alleging false facts without an adquite basis for believing them is not.

The reason the case was wrongly decided is that calling the ex model in question a “skank, skanky and a ho” etc. is too much opinion and too far removed from specific facts to rightfully fall outside the opinion category. (The judge thought it implied promiscuity. However even promiscuity itself is largely a judgment call, when the person in question is not a sexual virgin or had only one marital sexual partner in her life.) The feminist female jurist was seeking to make new law. Since it didn’t go to appeal it hasn’t much.

Btw, the person doing the anonymous web “libeling” was a female acquaitance.

I’d accept any immigration that restores and preserves those America-defining proportion. Given today’s realities, I’d be persuadable toward skewing those numbers a bit in favor of east Asians and non-Muslim Asians and Arabs, but in small numbers.

Indians like yourself, for example are an asset as individuals, but too many Indians here, and it’s no longer America. Similar to how I may be an asset in Korea, but too many of me there, and it’s no longer Korea.

I don’t agree, because there is an assumption that assimilation = white.

If I am born in the US, but brown, but you are born in Poland, yet white, it is quite a stretch to say the latter is more ‘assimilated’ than the former. Why not restrict it to Western European Protestants only. No Catholics and no Eastern Europeans.

Remember that just 50 years ago, Jews and Italians were not considered ‘white’, and were excluded more harshly than any group today (including blacks) is excluded presently.

“… a de facto genocide by another name against America’s majority and soon to be minority native sons and daughters”

And this is true not just of the U.S. but of practically all (formerly) white, Western nations, but it is NOT true of ANY non-white, non-Western nation. For some reason only Western nations have a sacred duty to commit cultural suicide.

“Genocide against America’s majority and soon to be minority?” “native?” What’s this shit? I hope you’re just pretending to be an ironic troll dirtbag.

What will you say on the day only “native” girls are left in your country? I sure know that your American girlfriends will like it: no competition from foreign girls will increase their market value even further…

5Horseman, assimilation isn’t just behavior. It’s also appearance, in other words race. Human psychology is such that people want ot live in a place where they see kin faces. Expecting them to go against this fundamental and universal aspect of human nature is similar to expecting people to give according to ability to those according to need.

Like I said, assimilated brown non-Muslim people are an asset in small numbers. Not is large numbers.

FYI- that medifore can be used for any group of people. One could say the same about AJ travis if he marries a 10 (hi S) and says the hell to the beta revolution .

@Ludwig – I’m not arguing for immigration, I’m actually against immigration for the time being. I’ve mentioned as much to my comment to Tood. You can also see my comments on immigration in the archives.

In addition, Ireland was not a pretty place during the potato famine. Most people who leave their home lands with only the shirt on their backs, are from the bottom. It’s not easy moving to another country without knowing the language or culture and having not a clue how you are going to survive once you get there. Remember we are talking about 100 years ago. There was no Rosetta Stone or “On The Go” travel guides to help new immigrants out.

@Bhetti- Not to rag on the men here but would there had been a Holocaust, Rwandan genocide etc.. without men, I doubt it.

5Horseman, assimilation isn’t just behavior. It’s also appearance, in other words race.

I don’t think so. If that were the case, Irish, Jews, etc. would not have been discriminated against just a few decades ago.

Remember that Arabs and Indians are also ‘Caucasians’ as per the textbook definition of the term. So what is ‘race’? Is color the sole determinant of race? Then Koreans and Japanese are the same ‘race’ as Europeans, because their color is close enough.

If we discuss ‘culture’ rather than ‘color’, then why not draw the line one step further, and say that only Western European Protestants are allowed into America. No Italians, Eastern Europeans, or Catholics.

You have chosen to draw the line where it suits you. It is far from obvious that that is where the line naturally falls.

Human psychology is such that people want ot live in a place where they see kin faces.

I see no evidence of that. White families badly want to live in Cupertino to send their kids to Cupertino schools, knowing full well that 70% of the kids there are Indian and Chinese.

Furthermore, just about any man would rather trapped on an Island with a Chinese women who is a 9, rather than an obese white woman. So physical attractiveness is a far stronger predictor of ‘who wants to be around who’ rather than race.

Wealth is also a stronger predictor than race. WASP women often date Jewish men. As the ascendancy of Asia is repeated in the media, I see attractive white women in California with Asian men – something that was exceedingly rare just 10 years ago.

Please, dont get me started on those black africans(particularly nigerians) in my science/engineering classes in college. They are offensively too smart. I am not surprised at all that virgle kent is also a nigerian. Or that T. rick raw is a foreign black.

Every damn nigerian student that i went to college with later became a medical doctor or a ph.d. Every stinking one of them. Every year, 2 of the top performing student in my classes were nigerians. Seriously, wtf? It is not for lack of trying on my part, i graduated with honours, but those nigerians? Top fucking class honours. They make the so-called smart asians look like average students. Look at the black students on the national spelling bee? Most likely a fucking nigerian. Look at the ivy league medical schools and their graduating class. Pick anyone of them at random. I can assure you that 2 to 3 of the top honours will go to a fucking nigerian. Those fucking mutants.

I have a grudging respect for them. A respect borne from 4 years of pure academic combat. My guess is that their demanding, modified, british education system back home must have been the reason why they excel.

Personally, it is difficult going around thinking i am superior or anybody is superior because they are white or whatever when you’ve thoroughly competed in tough science/engineering classes with black/brown/white immigrants who are just bloody smart.

Particularly when these “superiority argument” seems to be coming from some of these people who probably cannot do stochastics equations for a non-linear, chaos system. Some of these “we are genetically superior” club of people probably thinks mutivariable calculus is difficult. They obviously havent seen math classes. hehehe. And somehow, they are superior to other people, brown, black, or otherwise, who can do engineering thermodynamics classes? These are classes where you practically have to derive fucking formulas to solve problems. In fact, starting from 3rd year engineering classes(the same with physics, chemistry and biochemistry too), it is not enough to know the math, you have to to start deriving your formulas for specific problems in realtime.

Somehow, these liberal art majors are mentally superior to these math-intensive majors because they are white and others are brown? Doesnt make a lick of sense to me.

Why would a corporate entity care about your white purity or korean purity?

I want the smartest workers — i will go with asians. Bring them all in for my company. I want the cheapest, dirt cheap labour for my mega farms –get mexicans. bring them in.

Why would i let your sense of white purity stand in the way of my profit? One of the greatest agent of influx/ miscenegation/immigration: COMMERCE. greed is king. Isnt that the reason why blacks were brought here as slaves? Pure capitalism. Isnt that the reason why corporations works feverishly to recruit massive pool of asian talents? And the agricultural industrial complex lobbies against harsh immigration(because that will affect their cheap pool of mexican farm workers)?

You want to fight capitalism with racial purity? who do you think will win? Capitalism, amigo.

Personally, i dont beleive in government controlling labour pool. Which, is what you are advocating with your white purity. That is socialism.

As a capitalist, i couldnt care less about your white purity…i care more about my PROFIT. Whiteness or blackness could disappear as long as a i make a buck. I dont care.

Before the advent of civil rights movement–this is before blacks and women were consider a threat. Whites in america were busying fighting against eastern europeans(polish, russians, etc.) they are slavs, slavic people were consider inferior. They hated the italians(well, they are a too dark), they certainly didnt like the irish. They worried about contamination from scottish blood. French blood, Saxons, they prefer. They were partially wary of germans.

It is all about power. People will create differences real or imagine to justify power over others. Either skin tone, height, hair, size, voice, etc. it doesnt matter what it is.

Lucifer: how much “respect” would 10 million Ukraninains and 10 million Nigerians get from Indians if they deemed it theri prerogative just move there?

Tood: your retarded cousin Lucifer is all the argument I need to keep Indians in America to a very small number.

Chic: of course people will find reasons to fight. But common culture and kinship, plus defact separation, helps keep things peaceful. In America we used to have this thing called Federalism, and regionalism.

Mormons in Utah, Rednecks in Dixie, Hillbillies in Appalachia, Blacks in their urban+rural communities, SWPL in their city enclaves, Cajuns in southern Louisiana, goofballs in upper Midwest, and so on. And this kept the USA a pretty interesting country.

chic: You’re right in that a world ruled by women alone would probably be filled with too much anarchy to have any organised violence. Still irrelevant, as that’s not happening and I certainly wouldn’t wish it.

You might as well say there would’ve been no massacres if there were no human beings.

The world we live in is where men and women do things because of each other and what they’ve enabled. It’s a symbiotic relationship. Every evil man had a mother. And the women that later rewarded him for it.

Every evil woman had a man, who couldn’t or wouldn’t do anything about it. And also a man, passing the law that would let her.

PA: only recently have you been much much more touchy on immigration, so I’m theorising a recent event has provoked this further.

women, however, flap their gums and behave atrociously with a sense of abandonment and entitlement rarely seen outside a bunch of 2 year olds and are ALWAYS amazed when they get hit

Foreign born blacks in our university science and engineering classes? Are those mostly the areas they go into? Not that I’ve heard. But I really aren’t sure about that. Where do they tend to rank in their classes? My impression is that foreign born blacks are mainly used by elite universities to meet what they consider to be decent levels of black enrollment overall, because they can get higher SAT’s or other proxies for IQ from this much large pool of blacks than they can domestically. I.e., not that they’re competitive with letting in more foreign born Koreans or Chinese or Poles, but that they’re they help in keeping standards half way up re the percentage of blacks elite unis feel they need to let in to appear “decent” by mutlicultural standards. E.g. I’ve read that foreign born blacks make up more than half of Harvard undergrad’s roughly 7% black enrollment. Or so Lani Guenier has alleged.

I remember that Ted:
1. Got kicked out of Harvard for hiring someone to take a Spanish test for him. His father bought his way back in.
2. Blocked efforts to provide all Americans with catastrophic health insurance, so they would support comprehensive socialization of health care.

Plus, many other negative things. He wanted to send the ailing but deposed Shah of Iran, our faithful ally in the Middle East, back to Iran to face the justice of the Mullahs. Henry Kissinger earned my respect by protecting the Shah, even when he was no longer useful to us. The eagerness of Democrats to dump their no longer useful friends is beyond contempt.

Ted was despicable.

Ted was the runt of the litter. That voters in Massachusetts kept him in the Senate is a veritable damnation of democracy.

He is a symptom. I don’t blame him for what he was. I blame the voters.

If I am born in the US, but brown, but you are born in Poland, yet white, it is quite a stretch to say the latter is more ‘assimilated’ than the former. Why not restrict it to Western European Protestants only. No Catholics and no Eastern Europeans.

There were Poles who fought for the Americans in the revolutionary war.

Kazimierz Pułaski – General in the Continental army and called (per wikipedia) father of American Cavalry

Bhetti, no, no recent event. The subject seems to come up a lot lately. I tell myself that I’ll lay out my position on the subject and go back to commenting about chicks, but the pesky topic just keeps coming up.

Lucy: ouch, such apocalyptic choices you present to me. Again, who are you? also, what’s “irrelevance?” and as far as extinction, there’s quite a few of us around. You will just have to wait and hope a few more centuries.

Honestly, I can’t agree with either Lucifer or PA. Both are extremists in this regard.

Lucifer is extremely anti-white, but not really anti any other race.

PA is probably more sensitive to white racial purity than anyone else here. Even though the Aryan Nation charter clearly states that only Western European Protestants should be counted in the desirable group. Italians, Eastern Europeans, and white Jews are distinctly excluded from their definition.

Hence, PA is greatly overrating how much kinship the average white American will see with a Polish immigrant, rather than with a 3rd generation Chinese, Indian, or VietNamese American.

Let’s not forget that white Louisianans, who are supposedly racist southerners, voted for Bobby Jindal as their governor. At the same time, where I grew up, which was Ohio, ‘Polock’ jokes were both common and derogatory. This was only 20 years ago.

So the boundary of who is accepted by whom, and who isn’t is NOT clearly defined at all.

5Horseman, I am also very sensitive to racial purity in places I have no relation to. It’s simply good ethics and aesthetics. I’d hate to see Korea or Japan, for example get Population Repolaced by immigrants as well.

Immigrants who can contribute economically/educationally much more than they consume = I want them. A lot of them. I don’t care if they are white, Asian, or even the tiny, <1% apex of black Ghanian or Senegalese PhD students.

Immigrants who consume more than they contribute = I want them blocked out. No matter what race they are.

That is all I care about. A totally race-neutral, merit-sensitive policy.

RICHMOND, Va. – An executive for an anti-animal cruelty group says her 16-year-old blind and deaf dog died after she accidentally left him in her hot car for four hours.

Robin Starr, the CEO of the Richmond Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals, says she didn’t realize “Louie” was in the car until noon. Starr’s husband, Ed, told the Richmond Times-Dispatch he put the dog in her car as she got ready for work Aug. 19. She often took the dog to work with her.

5Horseman, I am also very sensitive to racial purity in places I have no relation to. It’s simply good ethics and aesthetics.

Why?

Races have always mixed, and the distribution is a smooth continuum. Always remember that everyone who is not of African descent is a descendant of just 70 people who left Ethiopia 30,000 years ago.

Poles, Japanese, Indians, Chinese, and Native Americans are all descended from these 70 people (who were presumably Ethiopian in appearance at the time). Skin color divergence is the result of many generations of climate exposure.

American Indians were displaced by force and lack of immunity to new diseases. Fait accompli.

True dat.

There was no intentional genocide against them except in limited local usually militia commander cases and never as ordered by the US federal government. The vast majority of AmerIndians died by disease. Actually probably most who did never themselves came in contact with a white, but rather with other AmerIndians who had, or who’s tribesmen had. I could go into that.

Almost all the rest were killed in Indians wars large and mostly small. Yes sometimes these involved whites massacuring Indian women and children, but this was a form of warfare whites learned again and again from AmerIndians, and did in retaliation. It was a far more prevalent form of AmerIndian warefare generally than a Euro one or white American one, and especially a more prevalent one used across the white/AmerIndian racial divide.

The typical pattern of Indians wars was that white settlers would move into Indian land. The vast majority of the time they did this without any authority from American or before that colonial state not to mention federal (or British) authority. After awhile the AmerIndians whose almost always communal rather than individually owned land was being encroached upon would strike at such white settlers by massacering them, including women and children. Bear in mind that most Indian land was used only for hunting, and only a little bit low intensity slash and burn agriculture. So that to whites it seemed the land was empty and unused. It certainly was being used at only a very low level of economic (or population supporting) efficiency.

Once a number of white settlers had been massacred their neighbors either themselves organized a militia, or called in a state one, formed for the purpose, and an Indian war was on. Indians lost most but not all of these. NOT primarily because they had bows and the whites and guns, usually the Indians had guns too. But because the whites could organize much bigger forces against usually disunified Indian tribal groups. Though there were exceptions especially east of the Mississippi before the Civil War, but to some extent after it in the west. In those cases where large coalitions of indian tribal groups occurred, a serious Indian war ensured. I believe the Indians only won one of those. And then lost the follow up.

The huge white advantage was somewhat in weapons density and ammo, but much more in the population density which their level of economic civilization and use of the land allowed, and their relatively large scale political unity. Oh and literacy fostering that large scale unity and rapid and accurate communications.

After awhile the usual end of AmerIndians losing a war is that the were forcible moved further west, to what eventually became reservations. And then further west again. This was of course ethnic cleansing. It wasn’t genocide.

The reason ethnic cleansing occurred so much rather than ensurfing the AmerIndians, which had been the early post Roman European way of dealing with conquored peoples was because Indians didn’t do state level agriculture and in North America at least (much more so than in e.g. Mexico) made poor peasants. As well creating peasants wasn’t really in the Anglo settler’s political lexicon by the 17th and later centuries. They still were doing slavery, or many of them were, but they felt far more comfortable about doing that to backs sold to the as slaves by other blacks on the West coast of Africa rather than enslaving AmerIndians, who whites didn’t perceive as nearly so unintelligent or “childlike if violent” as blacks, but rather merely uncivilized – but maybe as smart as whites, more or less. However in the South some enslavement of Amerindians did occur, at least early on, esp in the 17th but also some the 18th centuries. It tended not to work too well for three reasons: 1) they tended to get sick and die way more than blacks; 2) if they ran off they had somewhere to go, and were very hard to track and bring back; 3) they really detested hard agricultural labor and were thoroughly culturally unused to it, and would often rather die, and did. This last is also part of why they were a no go as serfs, and had to be ethnically cleansed, or endlessly fought.

Roissy … you harp on about Ted Kennedy after his death? That’s so omega, akin to fingering a woman immediately after she has been f***d by an alpha. You, Roissy, are a 24-carat beta! Stick to pussy, you hold no charm over politics.

I think I’ve figured out a qualitative formula for how to judge if a thread has veered beyond any usefulness or relevancy:

If the thread in question is suspiciously absent of the usual top contributors of this blog… The G Manifest, Seeking Alpha, Alpha Dominance, V.K., Roosh, Roissy himself, etc. … after the first 50 comments, then it can generally be said that the post has degraded into flame wars and not-so-subtle trolling.

Here is a proposal by which to test the utility of this formula — Has this thread fallen past the criteria of any worth?

No doubt Ted Kennedy was a vile, despicable, traitorous man. But much of these attacks on him are just one big exercise in projection. Nihilists know one of their own when they see one. The meaningless void, horror, darkness they cannot face within themselves they place upon on a putrid corpse.

Not my Teddy. He died surrounded by his family and priest, praying to the family o’ saints. He might have been a murdering, lying, cheating, inflated old scumbag. But he wasn’t no nihilist.

From my own experience, foreign born blacks in science and engineering classes, are among the top performing student in those classes. Every fucking year, the 2 of the best students in my major was a nigerian.

I ran into a few other nigerians in college. yes, most nigerians that i know are science or engineering major. They tends to be science oriented. i knew this nigerian dude with four other brothers–all studied engineering(electrical, mechanical, computer, industrial, aerospace). Every last one of them. Master’s level. We graduated together, the same year.

I was a science/engineering major in college.

Where you, doug?

You havent heard? If you were a hard science or engineering major, i am sure you must have ran into one of those fucking nigerian academic mutants. Destroying the grade curve in our classes. Fucking bastards.

No offense, Polish students are not competitive at all in science/engineering classes. I dont know about other majors. But in my science and engineering, polish student were not that good. The competitive ones are RUSSIANS. Russians are fucking good. Particularly russian jews. A sizable percentage of american whites in my classes were jews. Anyways, among foreign blacks, in terms of academic performers, Nigerians are terminators. They tend to populate the top grades.

I did my best though: i graduated with honours. That is how far i could go. I realized quite humbly: that no matter how smart you are, there will always be people who are just smarter. I was unfortunate enough to be in the same class set as two fucking nigerian girls, funmi okuyemi and dami oguniyi (both medical doctors now. they were accepted to every medical school in america. graduated from college at age 19. both of them. ). Dami has a near total recall of information. I took soo many classes/tests with these two. I practically recall the last four digits of their social security number. Why? Because these two are always on the top of nearly every single test after the teacher put the results up. You see the same last four digits of their social security number over and over and over too many times you have it burned into your mind.

You have any idea just how depressing that was, doug? You register for a class, you saw those two nigerian girls (both not even old enough to have sex with. they graduated college at 19). And you know that the grade curve in that class will be destroyed because these two nigerian bitches are going to get very top marks. Every damn fucking class. Always with the highest grade. It is just fucking abnormal. I am talking about classes where the questions are soo difficult, the professor will give the entire class 4 to 6 hours to do just 10 questions of serious engineering analysis.

Guess who was the only student to ever get a 4.0 in electrical engineering in the history of my school? Take a guess. You’ve got it–It was one of those fucking nigerian mutants. His name is “Ade” or something.

People simply dont get 4.0 in engineering. Particularly not in electrical engineering–which is the most demanding engineering major on the planet. Ask around engineers. That is not normal. Normal human beings dont perform at that level of mental caliber. It is obscene.

“To constitute depraved indifference, the defendant’s conduct must be ‘so wanton, so deficient in a moral sense of concern, so lacking in regard for the life or lives of others, and so blameworthy as to warrant the same criminal liability as that which the law imposes upon a person who intentionally causes a crime. Depraved indifference focuses on the risk created by the defendant’s conduct, not the injuries actually resulting.”

@Bhetti- Not to rag on the men here but would there had been a Holocaust, Rwandan genocide etc.. without men, I doubt it.

You’re probably right. (I’m not a male apologist but rather try to see and speak the straight truth. Can’t guarantee that I get it right of course but that’s what I try to do.)

However this is also right:

We’d still all be roaming around in hunting bands in small numbers and with few comforts and relatively low mental stimulation or challenge from such things as films, educational and professional challenges, the web, even phone calls and texting all over the place, and so on ad infinitem.

this all happened in about the last 10,000 years. Maybe a thousand or two more.

Why? War. Or it’s precursor tribal skirmishes and woman raiding. And forcing off of naturally favored locales. Such as herd migration choke points. And then happened upon primitive agriculture favored spots. Such as upland and well watered eastern Turkey at what’s now thought to be the agricultural beginnings. That’s what put such incredible pressure on humans to be smart and inventive, and to reach higher population densities, and then defend those naturally rich ideal agiricultural places, such as certain river valleys and plains, and certain rain favored uplands, and so on.

I know we’re always shamed into not speaking ill of the dead, but if we always held to that, accounts of history would be meaningless. if you don’t want to be remembered as a piece of shit in the annals of American political culture (or any history, for that matter), then you should strive not to be a piece of shit in your living years. there are no free passes, as the readers of this blog were just reminded. I commend you, sir, for having the stones to say today what people will be saying about Ted Kennedy a few years from now.

never forget people, Ted Kennedy never paid a price for the death (murder? manslaughter?) of Mary Jo Kopechne. the Kopechne family paid a price. Mary Jo paid a price. Ted Kennedy WALKED. and a promising young life was wasted. and then he had the gall to not only run for president after that, but to challenge his party’s incumbent, sitting president in a party primary! the guy has no shame. it takes a certain kind of soulless, narcissistic, entitlement-attitude scumbag to do that.

and let’s not forget he tacked on another nearly three decades of bad liberal politics to that record.

We’d still all be roaming around in hunting bands in small numbers and with few comforts and relatively low mental stimulation or challenge from such things as films, educational and professional challenges, the web, even phone calls and texting all over the place, and so on ad infinitem.

All the things that make immigration and globalization easier. If you guys love tribalism as much as you say, maybe those things weren’t good things.

Tood Plus, your knowledge of economics is pretty poor, to say the least
Yes I am a low iq blk female prole with only a high school diploma. I’ve never said otherwise

Immigration is not a zero-sum game that ‘takes jobs’ from an identical number of Americans

So if Microsoft has 200 hundred positions open and they decide to fill those positions with H1b visa holders instead of Americans, what happened? Why couldn’t those jobs had gone to Americans who majored in computer Science.

@death- Wow, from your stories ,engineering is serious. I can recall people have serious problems with precal/trig and cal I in high school.

So if Microsoft has 200 hundred positions open and they decide to fill those positions with H1b visa holders instead of Americans, what happened?

The productivity created by those 200 jobs creates more jobs elsewhere. Those H1B workers pay taxes, and buy homes and cars in America.

Why couldn’t those jobs had gone to Americans who majored in computer Science.

They did go to them. The unemployment rate of people in computer science is about 1%.

Plus, what your zero-sum thinking fails to consider is that if you don’t bring those H1B people here, the jobs will go to them (aka outsourcing). Thus, they pay no taxes in America, buy no homes in America, pay no cable bill in America.

Zero-sum economic illiteracy is the Marxist’s workshop. Keeping people economically illiterate (as you have been) is how Communists/Marxists come to power.

PA is probably more sensitive to white racial purity than anyone else here. Even though the Aryan Nation charter clearly states that only Western European Protestants should be counted in the desirable group. Italians, Eastern Europeans, and white Jews are distinctly excluded from their definition.

Hence, PA is greatly overrating how much kinship the average white American will see with a Polish immigrant, rather than with a 3rd generation Chinese, Indian, or VietNamese American.

This is pure crap.

Although I’m also opposed to allowing or winking at the mass immigration of low IQ Central American peasants who are usually heavily Indio, or any other group we unfortunately extend affirmative action to, I’m not against a reasonable amount of highly educated or needed highly skilled (and high IQ) immigration otherwise. I think the later is both economically useful and culturally invigorating. So there’s where we part company.

However.

Your nakedly self interested as a first generation South Asian Indian espousal of mass immigration of educated Asians is just that hugely self interested. I thorough oppose you.

Further your using the most extremist white supremacist groups as the proxy and tell for whom most whites in America consider to be one of their cultural own, and closely related these days is frankly dishonest, thoroughly and obviously wrong for anyone with any brainpower or knowledge of this country, and again, entirely and contemptably self interested. I assure you the vast majority of white Americans consider Catholic Poles as a kindred group. They feel Jews are whites and Americans these days too, if a bit too privileged by the taboo of criticism through the cudgel of shouting “anti-Semitism”.

Poles closely share in Western European civilization. Indians don’t. But aren’t so incompatible with it, at least in small enough and a thin enough highest IQ slice.

As a result of the recession, blog host needed to raise some funds for the upkeep of Château R. He held an open house(a la post on T. Kennedy) looking to bring in more occupants. There was free food, drinks , and music all around.

Oh what a colorful crowd they were. Plenty of the W. national or semi types roving around. Many of whom recently had their jobs sent to India and China so they weren’t in a position to pay the exorbitant rent and fees of chateau R. but that didn’t matter because free food and beer will bring people out regardless.

R, asked that the women of chateau R cook a few meals for our visitors and this is how it went down.

Yes, newton, leibnitz, lorentz, are whites. So? Does that automatically makes you are genius?

I am just very individualistic about this. Just because Lorentz and I are white doesnt make Lorentz transforms easier to understand. It doesnt mean you will learn it quicker than a chinese student. So, what is your point?

At the end of the day, it is you versus your engineering textbook. All the whiteness in the universe will not change that hard fact of reality.

Are you going to walk into an engineering class and say to yourself “lorentz transforms is a product of a white brain, i have a white brain, therefore, the answer should present themselves automatically?” Are you going to bang your head against a book of quantum thermodynamics and chant “enter my white brain, oh ye product of a white brain”?

Besides, ascribing self-importance to myself based on somebody else work(laplace, gauss, newton) simply because we are both white is WEAK. I prefer to define myself by my own achievement, not the achievement of others. Even more importantly, i prefer others to define themselves by my own achievement.

If i might take some license here and give it a racial bent: I dont see myself as important because i am white, i see white as important because of me. White doesnt define me. I define it. I am the active definer, not passively-defined entity. I am the begining. The alpha not the omega.

It doesnt make a shred of sense to me to think i am superior because i am white. It just doesnt. I am superior because i am. That is all.

*Sigh*
the glamour girls of chateau R really tried but they sort of failed.

Lovelysexybeauty -fixed a soufflé that was flatter than the breast of a 90 year old tribal woman in national geographic.

Lilgrl- made a srly awful pasta dished that was tackier than Elmer’s glue. Epoxy need hymnic maneuver performed on him after just one bite.

S- put a lot of effort into her dish for she is trying to impress two men.. A.J travis and well as Comment_ Whatever. Comment Whatever was the first to sample S’s dish. Poor thing, his cheeks swelled like those of a blow fish before he spit the dish out and ran to sink for water gallons of water.

Poetry of flesh- fixed a bowl of Campbell’s chicken noodle soup and tried to pass it off as home made.

Aoevla- never made her dish because she had to run to PA for continued reassurance that she was worthy and capable of making a dish.

Femx- made not a darn thing. She just walked about the kitchen flirting and agitating the women folk.

@death
I actually don’t feel superior to anyone due to whiteness. But you portrayed whites as mathematically illiterate buffoons compared to other races. The history of math related fields refute your view. Sure plenty of people from other ethnicities can excel in thesefields but like our University system, these were created by whites. It is ludicrous to pretend this is accidental.

That said, I very much want to preserve my hertage and culture. Multiculturalism threatens Western Civ everywhere.

Your nakedly self interested as a first generation South Asian Indian espousal of mass immigration of educated Asians is just that hugely self interested. I thorough oppose you.

How is that ‘self-interested’, when Asians are a very diverse set of peoples that comprise 60% of all humans?

Also, I wrote in my 9:23 PM comment :

Immigrants who can contribute economically/educationally much more than they consume = I want them. A lot of them. I don’t care if they are white, Asian, or even the tiny, <1% apex of black Ghanian or Senegalese PhD students.

So refer back to my 9:23 PM comment. How is that racially ‘self-interested’ in the least? Am I bigoted against people without advanced degrees?

Reconcile your claim of ‘self-interest’ with my other statement in boldfaced type.

feel Jews are whites and Americans these days too

Not 50 years ago they didn’t. Italians were not considered ‘white’ either at the time. 150 years ago, ‘Irish need not apply’ signs were common, and in some places Irish were treated worse than blacks. As far back as the 1870s.

I assure you the vast majority of white Americans consider Catholic Poles as a kindred group.

But what ultimately does that mean? Who is more ‘American’ – an immigrant from Russia, or a 3rd generation Chinese American?

What is the value of being, or not being, in a ‘kindred group’? Southern Whites had no problem voting for Bobby Jindal. I see almost no white-on-Indian hate crimes or white-on-Chinese hate crimes nowadays. “Polock” jokes, which I heard a ton of in Ohio, might be in good humor, but may be offensive to Poles too.

So what does a kindred group do for its members? Other than a mating preference (and that too ONLY IF the attractiveness levels are somewhat comparable), I can’t see what.

Particularly when these “superiority argument” seems to be coming from some of these people who probably cannot do stochastics equations for a non-linear, chaos system.

Almost all real systems are non-linear. As for ‘stochastic’ this is the definition I got:

“A stochastic process is one whose behavior is non-deterministic in that a system’s subsequent state is determined both by the process’s predictable actions and by a random element.”

I have no idea why anyone would want to have an industrial process whose result is determined by a random event. I will offer the explanation that you are simply to stupid to determine the real, underlining cause of the “random event”, and so start rambling about “chaos theory”.

What you need to do is find the appropriate 70+ year old retired white engineer, pay him 10,000 dollars, have him fix your problem in one day.

DA sits of stool looking about as paranoid as a crack head. The combination of W.Nationals & HBD folk have him in a state.

A large group of people are standing in one corner.
*Chic runs over to see what’s happening*

GNP, bent over like a question mark, is giving himself brain in front of the guests.
*screams to R*
Who let the idiot out of the basement?

An hour later….

All of the POC(college boy, Russel R, Tupac, chic noir,Nicole etc..) make eye contact with one another. It’s a look that means if something goes down in here, we gonna all try to make it out of here alive. Dana tries to make eye contact too because she realizes this crowd isn’t quite the same as the HBD crowd and if they blow, she is going first.

Default looks on jealously as Aoefe’s blonde beauty is celebrated and the various men almost come into fisticuffs for a chance to dance with her.

chic walks up to default: what’s a matter buddy *sarcastic voice* you still have me, your negress to entertain you

I actually don’t feel superior to anyone due to whiteness. But you portrayed whites as mathematically illiterate buffoons compared to other races.

Where did he portray whites as mathematically illiterate buffoons? Seems like an exaggeration. Can you quote where he portrays whites as math buffoons?

The history of math related fields refute your view.

Pointing out the history of white achievement doesn’t refute his argument that in MODERN computer science classes Asians and Nigerians are performing at an incredibly high level? Pointing out what great whites in the past have created doesn’t disprove his claim about what Nigerian engineering and med students are doing CURRENTLY.

The argument your “history of math whites in math-related fields” point DOES refute is the idea that white people are incapable of excelling in math. But since Death that’s an argument Death never made in the first place, it makes no sense to bring it up. It’s a strawman argument.

you all are kidding yourselves if you think kennedy was much worse than your average republican senator. his liberalism predates the leftward movement of conservatives by only a couple of election cycles.

the ones you should despise are the wolves in sheep’s clothing. at least you knew where ted kennedy was, someone – perhaps more left-leaning – will merely fill his place.

also, get off your high-horse. you grab the Chappaquiddick incident as evidence of his evil (i mean it *is*), but you forget all the other lives politicians on both sides of the aisle have snuffed out for politically motivated war.

[editor: oh there are no partisan illusions here. when W dies i’ll be doing the virtual snoopy happy dance on his grave as well.]

Dana tries to make eye contact too because she realizes this crowd isn’t quite the same as the HBD crowd and if they blow, she is going first.

Pshaw, Dana has nothing to fear. In her case, a lengthy denunciation/withdrawal of sanction/whatever was done to Nathaniel Branden will be issued. Nothing further would be warranted. Anyone have Leonard Peikoff on retainer?

It is even used on wallstreet to model the stock market. What do you think quantitative financial modeling is? It relies heavily on stochastics calculus.

So basically it’s used in fake studies to justify financial fraud. I personally believe the more rigorous fake science used to justify whatever latest nutritional nonsense the government wants to put out a far higher, more pure calling.

ignore all the tongue-in-(chic) irony of a dead kennedys political statement. i am celebrating this d-bag’s passing by spinning the only reference to him i’ve ever heard in hip hop. (verse 3 for the payoff, and yes, i have this on vinyl)

I was surprised to not see references to the TED alpha move of kicking the bitch to the car, crashing the car into deep water , and then leaving her to gargle on your alphaness for 7 or 8 hours before calling for help. her gina was soaking after he pulled that move on Mary Jo…

that coward kennedy sure was chased by a lot of tail after that murderous coward rampage, im sure there is a lesson there for all of us…
😉

Condolences to Massachusetts voters, who actually have to think about their vote, for a change, now that ted is finally standing tall before the man…

Roissy,
You’ve talked a few times about immigration and how it hurts the US as a whole. I’ve tried to piece it together; something to do with immigrants (and outsourcing) taking manufacturing jobs which are a staple for lower and middle class men, and from this post it sounds like the breakdown of US Caucasians as a cohesive race is bad?
Is it, as PA summarized, Diversity + proximity = war?

That can’t be all of it, so I’d like it if you (or another commenter) detailed it out for me. Perhaps not your usual fare, but I’m interested.
-Matt

Good points. He lived in a damn castle and sold his countrymen out. He invented the schtick of calling people who disagreed with him bigots. The Southie folk who didn’t like busing got this while his kids went to Groton (or some shit).

He helped invent the delusional PC understanding of the world we have today.

Funny how he murdered a chic and they love him and you talk about what women actually want and your pratically considered a criminal.

@Comment Whatever
“I have no idea why anyone would want to have an industrial process whose result is determined by a random event. I will offer the explanation that you are simply to stupid to determine the real, underlining cause of the “random event”, and so start rambling about “chaos theory”.”

anything produced in large (or for that matter any) quantities exhibits variance.
take a bunch of pennies and measure their thickness of diameter and you’ll see that they’re not exactly the same.
now for coins it’s not that big a deal but if you’re making ball bearings you want to minimize that variance

as for the capital market comment by death:

the problem with quantitative modeling of markets is that they can’t be isolated and brought into a lab environment where theories can be properly tested. if you’ve read Taleb and/or Mendelbrot you’d know that QuantFinance operates on a set of simplifying assumptions, which once made result in worthless risk models that fail spectacularly, (bear, lehman, ltcm, amaranth, freddie, fannie, etc)

How is that ’self-interested’, when Asians are a very diverse set of peoples that comprise 60% of all humans?

Because why the hell should we want to replace our world beating historical population with a mass influx of you lot?

Forget it so far as I’m concerned.

As well I’d shoot you and yours if you got big crazy on the other side and there’s a war over this.

Keep in mind I’m big time FOR a reasonable amount of high IQ Asian and other peoples. Not a culturally swamping amount which you seem to advocate.

Franking I don’t in a million years want your Indian culture, any of them, having huge influence here. It’s a huge failure historically despite huge advantages and always a conquored bitch civilization. Sorry but you want to talk turkey that’s true. Sure you had a lot of people and a lot of wealth and a lot of agricultural riches including spices and so on. But you were endlessly conquored and never yourselves conquored ANYONE outside the sub continent. Never ever nada. A rather vegetarian and female/fecund civilization, conquored by masculine masters. From Aryan steppe horse people, to Greeks to Persians bringing Islam, to Mongols kinda talking Islam becoming Moguls, to various Euros a bit, to Brits big time. Big fat rich female India.

Isn’t it so however many horsepeople?

Oh, by all indications your countrymen are on average pretty dumb. But by the way US immigration has happened to work in your both geographically and historically very remote and disconnected case, we’ve gotten the very smartest of your lot. so that’s all good.

Great post. I will celebrate the anniversary of this day for many years just like I celebrate the anniversary of the Ohio National Guard’s victory at Kent State. I think the joy of this day can only be eclipsed by the day the stinky cuntess Hannoi Jane Fonda Rottencrotch finally croaks.

The ballad of the “genius foreigner.” It never fails. Someone is always going to bring up how this Mexican, or that Indian, or this Chinese is such an astonishing genius that we would all be sucking our thumbs and wetting our pants without their wonderful contributions.

Yet, if these people are such geniuses, then why are their countries in the toilet? Surely those brilliant Nigerians with their family culture of hard work and study should make Nigeria shine like a jewel rivaling Western cities. Yet, it doesn’t. Why?

For someone who understands “stochastic calculus”, you sure seem unable to grasp a simple point: within any sufficiently large population, you are bound to find at least one genius. And, yes, if you let a sufficient number of such geniuses into third-tier engineering schools, then they will certainly do well and cause you much havoc with the grade curve.

But these are all unrepresentative samples. Look at the nation the Nigerians in toto built. It is a basket-case. Nigerian immigration, then, is far more likely to replicate Nigeria in whatever unfortunate part of America they settle then create these curve-breaking math wizards.

When are you going to realize that Westinghouse and Intel “best high school whatever” is just a corporate marketing ploy colluding with various urban areas to prop up the reputation of urban public schools? Wow…that Asian kid is valedictorian at Boston Public. Big deal.

As for science and engineering majoring? Yeah, good luck. There is a glut of scientists and engineers. The wages are tanking because there are more people than positions to fill. Whites will not go into a field with little or no prospects of earning anything more than an h1-b wage.

But, please, enjoy your puzzle-solving. There are dozens more like you to solve your respective Rubiks cube.

“As for science and engineering majoring? Yeah, good luck. There is a glut of scientists and engineers. The wages are tanking because there are more people than positions to fill. Whites will not go into a field with little or no prospects of earning anything more than an h1-b wage.”

Tanking? Hmm… everything has ups&downs and we’re in a recession but there’s been substantial compensation growth versus inflation for most domestic engineers in the past 15 years compared to other professions despite the fact that the past 15 years had quite a bit of h1-bs.

I’m not even sure if h1-bs have a positive or negative influence on domestic nerd compensation. There’s a lot of complicated factors. You can offshore things instead of h1-b’s for example but I think the biggest thing is that tech isn’t a zero sum game.

“As the ascendancy of Asia is repeated in the media, I see attractive white women in California with Asian men – something that was exceedingly rare just 10 years ago.”

I too have noticed an astounding uptick in this phenomena too. And many of the better asian men are indeed getting fairly hot chicks. And I think a lot has to do with the reputation of the rise of China as well.

I put it too you quite frankly that you’re lying. Thoroughly and egregiously.

Produce some links to social science studies that back your claims about the stellar, beating all others, performance of foreign origin black students in elite US universities. Or were you talking about some strange second or third tier place that had it’s own idiosychractic history of attracting students from various ethnicites?

Speaking of someone from Indian descent, I would agree that I would MUCH rather prefer to live in Canada (or the West in general, I guess) than in India. I appreciate Western liberal values more than I do conservative, archaic ones.

Quite frankly, this emerging argument about which race is “smarter” is ridiculous. I’m in the top five percent of my class at Canada’s best known university, but in NO way do I attribute to this being genetically determined. It’s also philosophy, not a math or science. I attribute it to a variety of factors, like having great teachers growing up who encouraged a certain sort of work ethic and passion for the material.

Why can’t we just leave it at this: other civilizations and cultures can learn from what the West has taught us, just like the West can glean whatever it selectively desires from Eastern cultures.

Re: Death and Nigerian mutants, if what you’re saying is truth, then they truly are mutants. Dr. Richard Lynn, in his book IQ and the Wealth of Nations, estimates the Nigerian IQ to be 67 (using the British IQ as the standard/100). Now, I’m not a statistical genius – but unless the Nigerians have a truly radical SD, the number of geniuses from their ranks who can destroy college-level engineering classes is going to be ridiculously small. From what I’ve read, though, there are indeed some strangely intelligent blacks. (I wouldn’t include Obama here, although he’s certainly not a fool.) I wonder what the mechanism is for this…

(And a nicely penned ode to Traitor Ted-Kend by our host, of course. Gotta keep it real with some observations of the outside world from time to time.)

Immigrants who can contribute economically/educationally much more than they consume = I want them. A lot of them. I don’t care if they are white, Asian, or even the tiny, <1% apex of black Ghanian or Senegalese PhD students.

From which you draw the absurd conclusion :

Your nakedly self interested as a first generation South Asian Indian espousal of mass immigration of educated Asians is just that hugely self interested. I thorough oppose you.

Clearly, your claim that I want racial self-interest is based on absolutely zero evidence from my own words. More than a little bit of projection on your part, in fact.

Frankly, I think you are unable to distinguish whether you are arguing with Lucifer, rather than me, The Fifth Horseman, who has said none of the things you are assigning to me.

And make no mistake : America is as much my country as it is yours. Not one iota less, as the US is not declared to be a ‘white country’. Don’t claim otherwise – to do so would be un-American.

I am just about the least racist person on this board, never getting involved in the usual battles, and routinely defending white people from Lucifer. But there are certain illogical rants I am happy to dispose of, and yours is one of them.

I too have noticed an astounding uptick in this phenomena too. And many of the better asian men are indeed getting fairly hot chicks. And I think a lot has to do with the reputation of the rise of China as well.

Yes. It is all about the perception of economic ascendancy, propelled by the media message. 10 years ago, these same Asian guys would have gotten nowhere with these white chicks.

This “Native American” bullshit makes me laugh. America the nation-state was started by Europeans, not by a bunch of redskins originally from Siberia.

This Death character is either a disingenuous white leftist with the usual “magical negro genius best friend” shitck, or a Nigerian himself. It’s been asked before, but I’ll ask again: If these folks are so smart, why are their countries shitholes? (Blaming whites isn’t an acceptable answer, by the way.)

“And make no mistake : America is as much my country as it is yours. Not one iota less, as the US is not declared to be a ‘white country’. Don’t claim otherwise – to do so would be un-American.”

His point is that the US *was* an (almost) white country not too long ago. No declaration was necessary – it was a given.And it was a pretty good place to live.

But of course picking a fight with the only decent-performing immigrant group in the US right now is just a bit dumb. So Peace, and all that.

Also, thinking that the world-beating performance of immigrated Jews in the mid 20:th century has anything to do with the decidedly non-world-beating performance of immigrated Latin Americans in the 21:st century is cute. Rather feminine, too!

PS.
“OBAMA IS A MUSLIM AND WAS BORNED IN KENYA! The teaching of evolution, sciense, and math in our comunist public scolls is THE DEVIL! We need to bring back Christian values and George W. Bush. ”

George W. Bush was as big a scumbag and traitor as Kennedy. Especially on Immigration. You did notice they tried to co-author an invite-the-world immigration act back in 2007, no?

But yeah, he was Alpha too. Always something, I guess. America can at least take some pride in not getting ass-reamed by some malplaced beta.

“Technically, blacks were a higher percentage of the US population at the time of the Civil War, than today, as this was before the massive white immigration of the early 1900s.”

That’s true – but as the blacks were either slaves or second class citizens, whites were kind of obviously in the driver’s seat. The notion of the US somehow being founded on the ideals of race-blindness is slightly undermined by the US practicing, erm, race-based slavery at its inception.

“But clearly, the lack of white reproduction is a bigger factor than non-white immigration”

Hardly. The white share of the population is not cratering because of blacks outreproducing whites. It is rather (recent immigrant) hispanics that are primarily responsible for outbreeding whites.

“(of which some do not assimilate, but some certainly do).”

Assimilating isn’t really even the main point. The point is social performance. Assimilating towards the mores and performance of white trash / black underclass is no boon to the US.

I can’t bother wading through all of the comments, but you expressed exactly what I was thinking last night when I saw this on the Internet. When I pulled up the Drudge Report and saw that Teddy had died, the first words out of my mouth were, “About time!”

Yet, if these people are such geniuses, then why are their countries in the toilet? Surely those brilliant Nigerians with their family culture of hard work and study should make Nigeria shine like a jewel rivaling Western cities. Yet, it doesn’t. Why?

If Russians are acknowledged to be very smart and claim to have produced some of the world’s most incredible geniuses, why is their society is extremely screwed up? If the ancient Greeks were such incredible geniuses why is Greece currently in such consistent political turmoil. Obviously Greeks and Russians must be dumb.

“If Russians are acknowledged to be very smart and claim to have produced some of the world’s most incredible geniuses, why is their society is extremely screwed up?”

It is certainly possible to screw a country up despite having a clever population. The best way is through instituting communism. (Natural experiment: North / South Korea)

However, it is very hard to have a non-screwed-up country if you don’t have a clever population. Nigh impossible, in fact.

As a side note: Do note that Russia is the kind of screwed-up country that launches spaceships, builds nuclear reactors and combat airplanes, however. It’s not Zimbabwe.

“If the ancient Greeks were such incredible geniuses why is Greece currently in such consistent political turmoil.”

Ironically, political turmoil in ancient Greece was much worse than today. You really should know that. Of course, Greece is also a pretty decent modern country with a GDP per capita slightly larger than, for instance, Israel.

So, if you are trying to make some kind of point about Greece here, I’m really at a loss as for what it is supposed to be.

“Obviously Greeks and Russians must be dumb.”

See above.

“That paragraph I just wrote is about as smart as your posts are.”

Well, it wasn’t very smart, that’s true. Although not for the reasons you thought.

in the end, the only justification for white-only immigration with a residual immigration of non-whites is female beauty

the black/India/CHina -uber-alles crowd can always say “Copernicus doesn´t mean PA is smart” or “Cortez doesn´t mean gig is manly” or “Newton doesn´t mean doug1 is intelligent” but the daughters of Cpernicus, Cortez and Newton would resemble PA´s, gig´s and Doug´s, respectively

Two nigerian students are top in medical schools? By their names and ancestry, I can ssay that both are ugly. I would rate them as 5s, at most. There are enough smart white people around so that it is possible to sacrifice IQ in order to maintain beauty

I had a very nazi-like view of Israelis until spending 3 months backpacking with them in Asia

Now I can safely say that there are no ugly people in Israel. ALl the women are hot

My opposition to Israel and my support for the Iranian nuclear bomb are entirely hypocritical . If it was not the Jewish perfidy in the diaspora among the goyim, I would be a neocon in my suppoort for Israel

“I’m as jingoistic as the next but America is better for immigration not the lesser for it. Welcome the hard working, cause us lazy-fat Americans need people manning our machines on this side of the pond.”

The meme of the “hard-working immigrant” needs to die a swift and horrible death. The Census is a suitable executioner:

Suck it in, internalize it, and the next time some ninnyfied open-borders schmuck tells you about how “hard-working” Mexican immigrants are compared to lazy Americans and how the US would collapse without them, sock it to ’em hard.

Other Census highlights includes education:

Second generation school enrollment for Mexicans compared to other immigrants: (I.e. for kids to Mexicans born in the US)

16 to 20 years:
Asia 76%
Europe/Canada/Australia 67%
Mexico 57%

21 to 25 years:

Asia 37%
Europe/Canada/Australia 28%
Mexico 15%

But hey, in the brave new US, getting out of high school and
getting a college education will be moot. What matters, after all, is Diversity! The future is Bright!

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MUAHAHAHAHAHAH! (Think loads of spittle)

PS.
And no, Mexicans won’t “catch up” either. We already have a hundred years of data or so on that.

It is certainly possible to screw a country up despite having a clever population. The best way is through instituting communism. (Natural experiment: North / South Korea)

If they’re so clever, why do they institute communism in the first place? Or let themselves get overrun by NAMs?

and dana, my examples were bad on purpose. i’m trying to use the same illogical reasoning the other guys are using, that somehow examining people in different cultural and political infrastructures in past centuries is enough to examine how they perform in American universities today.

Here’s a wild idea, if you want to prove Nigerians aren’t top performers in today’s schools, why not do it by doing research on what’s happening in today’s schools? Instead of saying Nigeria is a shithole or Isaac Newton was white? You may indeed be right that Nigerians don’t perform as well as Death claims, but the ridiculous arguments you’re reaching for to do it are embarrassing. It’s not like the information about students in current science classes is so impossible to get that we’re required to extrapolate to draw conclusions.

You suckers and your nationalism. Most of you – both those who decide to buy into the R or the D as though the difference really amounts to a cup of warm piss – sound like you don’t want real freedom, you just want kind masters.

In a way it is inspiring to see people arguing so passionately about whether they want to be chained and led by one group of cynical geniuses or another group of cynical geniuses. It just reinforces my faith in human stupidity and the wonderful power of marketing.

But if not for “lions of the lest” like Kennedy and others, your precious “game” would not exist. You’d still be forced into monotonous monogamous drudgery with one woman your whole life – even as she ages, which I’m sure you would consider no better than “slavery”.

“Quite frankly, this emerging argument about which race is “smarter” is ridiculous. I’m in the top five percent of my class at Canada’s best known university, but in NO way do I attribute to this being genetically determined. It’s also philosophy, not a math or science”……………………..

Well Sofia, that makes sense, being that Indians were the original and deepest philosophers.

I agree with you that the West can definitely learn from the East, and vice versa, selectively.

I read some of the post here asking me to provide research studies on academic performance of nigerians. I dont have any. In fact, i doubt anybody have wasted their time specifically trying to scientifically document nigerian academic performance in a research journal. If you were ever a student in a hard science/engineering program you will see the phenomenon of outperforming nigerians.

My guess is that most of you simply didnt study hard science/engineering in college.

Anyways, all i have are anecdotal evidence of my own experience. Here is an anecdotal example:

i wrote yesterday that i went to school with adedamola oguniyi.(we call her “dami oguniyi”) that she is now a medical doctor. She graduated from Columbia Medical School 2008. I used to keep in contact with her. She told me there were about 6 or 8(i have forgotten the exact number) other nigerians like herself in columbia medical school. Nigeria is a small country, about the size of texas, i think.
Here is a link to the student awards for academic excellence for the medical graduating class of 2008.

Glasgow-Rubin Achievement Awards (presented to women students graduating in the top 10 percent of their class) Adefolakemi M. Oni,

Like i said yesterday: the ratio of nigerian racial population versus their resultant academic performance is highly skewed. Statistically, a population of 6 or 8 in a medical school shouldnt produce 2 students that ends up snatching disproportionate amount of the academic awards. We have a medical school with about a total of 6 to 8 nigerian students, and 2 of these 6 or 8 students cleaned 5 of the top academic awards. That says something. Dont take my word for it, check the link yourself:

anything produced in large (or for that matter any) quantities exhibits variance.
take a bunch of pennies and measure their thickness of diameter and you’ll see that they’re not exactly the same.
now for coins it’s not that big a deal but if you’re making ball bearings you want to minimize that variance

Mike, if you minimize the variance of values you care about, then you don’t need ‘stochastic equations’ to model the ‘random element’ because you have minimized the ‘random element’.

You seem to be talking more about statistics and quality control, which admittedly is handled rather poorly in my experience. However, that is not ‘stochastic equations’.

As far as “Christian values” – have you ever read the Bible in its entirety? There’s some pretty sketchy “values” in there.

Although late it seems to clean itself up. ALL religions share the same basic values; honesty, compassion, charity, chastity etc.

While the number of individuals who practice those values in x,y,z religions might be few, it still looks good on paper.

Perhaps by now the number of non-Christian citizens in the USA is more than Christian. I’m thinking of Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims, Jews, B’hais, Wiccans, whatever, whatever. There are so many religions.

All share the same basic functions as well as dysfunctions.

Perhaps by “Christian” you just mean “believer”, as opposed to atheist?

I see no reason why “Christianity” should be the default religion in the USA.

I find born-again Christians especially annoying with their conversion addictions.

Most of my family is Christian so I have no problem with the religion per se, I just don’t find it any more compelling than any other religion. It is certainly not any more believable. However the basic “values” which are the same in all religions anyway, are alright.

I hope Moldbug doesn’t mind but here is another tribute, different in tone, but just as moving:

Kennedy

1. Kennedy

Kennedy! The last brother
Plunges, orca-sleek
To the black sea – elected
To heaven, straight out
Of the Senate. Well:
All glory is a wonder,
All greatness is glorious,
All mighty things are great.
Any passing duke
Commands black cloth –
Whatever we recall
Of the man inside his suit.
And fan and hater agree:
Kennedy is not Kennedy.
Kennedy is the show:
Writer and producer,
Best boy and grip,
Each millionth polyp
Within the great reef,
That armored creature –
The family machine,
Our political design
In perfect Florentine.
Canst thou draw out
Leviathan, with a hook?
Or his tongue, with a line
That thou lettest down?
Think not of Cromwell’s end;
Hope not to hang the dead,
Not actor nor his show.
All mighty things are great.
And greatness seldom slain,
And death is no disaster;
Any decent whale-tick
Finds its subsequent whale.
Behemoth lives. Lay thy hand,
Recall the battle, do no more.

II. Cromwell

Beside, amongst the polyps –
Things are not so great.
Your Richard is not your Oliver.
Crudely, the production
Has lost its lead. There
Are no more Kennedys,
There will be none. The work
Of course goes on: each
President now is Kennedy,
As Kennedy that man
With cigarette holder;
And behind him a million
Eager innocent larvae,
All swimming to the stale.
This soap long since found
Its formula. It cannot change.
Nor has it any shortage
Of shark for its remoras.
But – but, the magic?
Alas, progressives, for
You too greatness passes.
Science has not perfected
The permanent Kennedy.
Lucifer gets old and dies;
His ring is hacked in half,
For Abaddon and Dis;
Ground in time to paint
On flocks of gilded imps.
Your future, polyps: gibbering.
Puerile, impotent gibbering,
Infinitely predictable,
Boring as a wooden board.
The magic does not return.
Youth is a one-time thing,
Ages age like men. Deal.

III. Chernenko

So greatness passing,
This Kennedy world,
Safer from all enemy
Than ever before, is losing
Mere colors in its ink.
Think of Brazil! Glory
Of a new forest city,
A capital in pure concrete,
Ordered and progressive,
Both free and free of rats.
What is it now? Slum,
Ruled by ferocious thieves.
I exaggerate. Slightly.
Polyps, your grandfathers
Were kings; your fathers
Spanned the sea; you spin
Soft rock in the cellar
Of a continent. Less fun.
Where are the postcards,
Machine, of that new world
You made of the Third?
What was it meant to be,
And what did it become?
Or at home? Polyps,
Where is Detroit? Is it
Somewhere in your reef?
Could we maybe get it back?
The future was won. Yet
Weirdly, it turned gray,
Emitting serious stench.
Reed begat Chernenko,
Croly produced Pelosi,
Alinsky made Hillary.
The pattern here is sure.
Our dreamers, plumed,
Coached in rich cars
Of past prey, sleep,
Stretched thin by power,
On power’s goose bed,
Dream in monochrome
Or not at all. The herd,
Below, shuffles and wilts;
Few but the worst still breed.
Observe our Kennedy world!
Not immortal, but far too near.
Still tomorrow exists,
O gardeners of weeds –
Somehow, where or when.
Its message is as follows:
Thank you for your efforts.
They were nobly conceived,
For the most part honest,
And not without some style.
Today, we film in color.
Our gardens are in order,
Our roses bud, our children
Learn. You need not approve.

Let me tell you another little secret about graduate engineering programs….if you check any school’s engineering programs you will read on their website that they require 3.4 and above to be accepted into the graduate program. You will also need to pass standardized exams.

Let me tell you that is a boatload of crap if you received your undergraduate degree from that same school. Even if your GPA is the minimum 2.0, ,professors will seek you out to go to graduate school and they dont care at all if you take entrance exams or not. Yes, you are reading that correctly. All you have to do is walk over and say, i want to enroll in your Master’s program. That is all. No entrance exams, nothing. Just your B.S. in engineering degree. That is all.
They dont care about your grade or your test scores on standardized entrance exams. That is only reserved for foreign students and applicants from other schools. Let’s be blunt. That is worse than affirmative action for african americans. In the case of affirmative action, you are bending the entrance bar, in this case, you are completely ignoring it–all you need is a B.S. in engineering degree.

Most americans having survived four years of brutal engineering classes dont want to go for even higher, tougher punishment of graduate engineering programs. Who would want to anyways?
A sizable portion of engineering undergraduate students have already dropped out into becoming Physics Major.(Physics major is the sewage dump of dropped out engineering majors). As such, professors tries to entice us to go on. They completely waive the graduate entrance GPA requirement and the standardized test requirement if you had your undergraduate degree from that school.

There is simply no other academic areas that people do this, to my knowledge. Not in the liberal arts.

Here is another thing. That whole 3.4 and above/standardized testing requirement only applies to (a)foreign student applicants (b)Students applying from other colleges*. I put an asterisk next to that because, even if you are a student applying from other colleges, and you’ve worked for a professor who knows the professors in other schools you are applying to, they can waive some of the 3.4 and above + standardized tests requirement.

It doesnt take rocket scientist to see why this is necessary: To increase the number of american enrollment in graduate engineering programs( which obviously translates into more whites american, since african americans are nowhere to be found.) Otherwise, graduate engineering programs will be COMPLETELY filled with (a) asians (b) eastern europeans (c) foreign-born blacks.

You want to put american technical prowess in the hands of these people?

I am a strong beleiver in meritocracy, but….i am in support of lower academic standards for whites american into graduate engineering programs simply because of national security interests. Hey, I am not saving i am completely without bias. I am not even sure that filling these positions with foreigners is good for america national security interests.

I find it funny when i read stuff about “how i am superior because i am white” coming from liberal arts/business majors in college and MBA students. Drag your white behind into years of engineering classes and then come back and tell me again about your white superiority after going head to head with (a)asians (b) eastern europeans (c)foreign born blacks.

You are talking about affirmative actions for american blacks? What do you think they we are doing to increase white american enrollments in engineering graduate school to compete against the hordes of asians, foreign-born blacks and eastern europeans?

But then, my guess is that most people here were never engineering majors in college. So hold on to your pretty lies….put cotton balls into your ears….

The point is social performance. Assimilating towards the mores and performance of white trash / black underclass is no boon to the US.

Precisely my point. Which is why Asian-Americans should hardly be ostracized or condemned (which you have mentioned, but others seem to have a problem comprehending). Their children tend to not fall into these influences – and perhaps are more resistanct to delinquency than many white kids today.

“The point is social performance. Assimilating towards the mores and performance of white trash / black underclass is no boon to the US.

Precisely my point. Which is why Asian-Americans should hardly be ostracized or condemned (which you have mentioned, but others seem to have a problem comprehending). Their children tend to not fall into these influences – and perhaps are more resistanct to delinquency than many white kids today.”

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White trash and black ghetto culture is exactly the same. I was listening to one country song the other day where the singer was saying that everyone in his town spent time in county jail but he was proud coz this is his “roots”. I think the title of the song was “Small Town”.

That wouldn’t be “white trash” as mush as “hick” or “redneck”.

White trash is more suburban/urban, I guess. But there is no difference between all of the above and black ghetto culture, in my opinion. It’s all corosive.

And I’m not talking about “good” country folk here. Good country folk may talk ignorant but they still got ethics.

Anyway, it’s true. As parents we should be very diligent not to allow our kids to fall prey to modern pop and media culture which promotes low class behaviour. I’m seeing otherwise good kids with potential fall prey to white trash and ghetto behaviour because its “cool” to be ignorant these days.

It’s all pervasive in this country, from North to South, East to West.

Asians (Indians, Arabs, Orientals) always seek to EVOLVE and improve themselves, not DEvolve. I think its because we have it so good in this country that there is little impetus to improve amongst the youth. If they had to struggle like these Asians do, they might seek to evolve themselves more.

The Indians that married into my family are always seeking to improve their lot in life, and their lot is pretty damn good!

They’ve been a good influence on my kids, who are good kids to begin with, but now they are even better! More competitive in school coz they are competing with their cousins.

(I’ll say that I’ve noticed more Arabs than Indians and Orientals trying to get down with ghetto culture. What is up with that? But overall, they also value improvement more than your average American white or black kid.)

so, you’re not only a Dick, you’re a racist, asshole, grossly misinformed, willfully ignorant Dick. Totally comfortable with your ignorance. May you have ten lesbian daughters. It’s people like you who are driving this country straight into the fucking toilet. And you’re losing.

Oh yes, here is another foreign born black i went to college with. His name is Elton M. Lambert. He has already obtained his medical degree. He was apparently the only black in the HONORS medical neurobiology program.
Scroll down and see his picture:http://www.urmc.rochester.edu/smd/nanat/education/mdms.cfm

First, medical neurobiology is one of the most demanding field of study in medicine. Ask Bhetti If you dont beleive me. Secondly, for you to be in HONORS program devoted to medical neurobiology, you seriously have to be good.

Here is another nigerian i went to college with: Ifeoma Nwigwe. She is at Yale Graduate School getting her doctorate now. She was also tops in our class.http://pylelab.org/people/ifeoma/index.html
She did her undergraduate studies in protein kinetics(essentially, an application of quantum chemistry to proteins.). She is furthering that protein study at Yale. She was honours student.

Scroll down . She was also honours graduate. She got 41 on her MCAT scores. People dont get 41 on MCAT scores. If you get 33 to 35, you are consider very smart. 41 is obscene over-performance. Highest possible score on MCAT is 45. Ask bhetti she will confirm this.

DO I HAVE SCIENTIFIC or sociological studies of outperforming nigerians? No. I can only speak from my own anecdotal evidence: when you have about a total of 5 or 6 nigerians in your entire class and they get top grades; and every single damn one of them ended up getting honours and/or becoming medical doctor or ph.d. That is not normal. I spent 4 years of undergraduate and 2 years of graduate school seeing this shit, over and over. It will be easier to swallow if there are 40 nigerians and only 5 did well, but when you have 5 or 6, and all of them get honours and become medical doctors. And you see that from one hard science/engineering major to another and another. That says something.

“Precisely my point. Which is why Asian-Americans should hardly be ostracized or condemned (which you have mentioned, but others seem to have a problem comprehending). Their children tend to not fall into these influences – and perhaps are more resistanct to delinquency than many white kids today.”

Exactly. The trouble is that asians get pulled into the immigration debate largely by people trying to defend the insane immigration policy of the US by pointing to Asians as a means to distracting away from the (far larger) flows of uneducated Latins swarming across the border. Sadly, that distraction works on some people.

As for African PhD students, I am against letting them immigrate into the west. Not because they would cause trouble (they would probably perform fine), but because they are desperately, desperately needed to keep Africa away from the brink.

Stealing away Africa’s best and desperately needed talent is a tremendous disservice both to Africa and the well-meaning liberals who then have to pick up the pieces. In order not to completely screw over educated Africans who could enjoy better QoL in the west, a lot of aid money should be redirected simply to boosting the salaries of qualified African academics who stay in Africa.

“You, Senator Kennedy, are the bloated fermented sack of pestilent traitorous lying filth who helped pass the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 that in its effects has been a de facto genocide by another name against America’s majority and soon to be minority native sons and daughters…”

Anonymity my ass; now we know that you’re Native American, it only remains to determine your tribe.

The Mexicans and other Latin Americans will do the manual work (they are harder working), the Indians will do the hard sciences (they are smarter), the Chinese will do Medicine (they are smarter and harder working), the Arabs the religion (they more sophisticated and peaceful), and the Jews can do the banking and media (they are smarter, harder working, less racist, and more honest), and the Nigerians can just run our institutions and collect the Nobel prizes (they are way, WAY smarter). The white women can be the ‘entertainers’ – strippers and whores in the brothels (the blond ones are the best with their flowing, golden hair) to relieve the stress of the other groups’ men. White men will just have to learn how not to be racist and how not to question the status quo. This is the formula for all white countries (with minor modifications in the ratios and such – in Europe, North Africans take the place of Latin Americans for example) and only bigots can possibly disagree with it. Mass immigration will ensure this outcome and anyone that questions whether infinity is too big of a number is clearly a backward retard. The arguments presented here are solid and any possible dissent is the result of racism, prejudice, and intolerance – in other words it’s worthless and invalid. Suck on that whites!

I’ve found Nigerian immigrants to be incredibly smart also. The Brain Drain phenomena is very real. I’ve noticed it is mostly sub-par intelligences who feel the need to latch on to overly broad racialism to make themselves feel better about their personal lack of talent.

Amazing…all this science-y background and Death still doesn’t understand the concept of selection bias.

Let me repeat: Within any large population, you will find at least half a dozen out-of-this-world geniuses. Even within a Nigerian population with an average IQ of 62, there will still be enough people at the rightmost end of the Bell Curve to fit the profiles Death describes. That’s how you get Nigerians who can do “quantum mechanics applied to proteins” but somehow Nigeria can barely grow its own food. The same applies to China and India.

This is not a matter of “anecdotal evidence.” Death seems to imply that all or most Nigerians are geniuses, even though Nigeria is a basket-case economy. It is not wrong to say that Nigerian immigration would be a disaster regardless of how many geniuses there are within that population.

As an aside, an educated person should not be making this mistake.

As for the large number of Asian and Indian students in the hard sciences and engineering? Simple. Universities want diversity; Foreigners work cheap; their respective governments subsidize their education; they flood the departments creating a critical mass of foreigners; and then they work to keep their kind controlling the departments. When native-born whites take classes from the foreign teachers aids and grad students, they are forced to listen to incomprehensible “Hinglish” or “Chinglish” explanations of complicated topics. Clarifying questions are met with hostility or indifference. Who the hell wants to put up with that? They study something else.

In other words, universities and government destroyed the economics of the engineering profession and the vast flood of foreigners has created the illusion of indispensability of the “brown” science professional.

This is nothing more that 21st century “cooley” labor for profit. Get rid of these foreign parasites, restore the economics of the engineering profession, promote the white geniuses from the right-hand side of the white Bell Curve, and you will have the same result, PLUS a population actually loyal to the United States, instead of using it as a job board, free clinic, learning annex and money platform for the rest of the world.

“Mass immigration will ensure this outcome and anyone that questions whether infinity is too big of a number is clearly a backward retard. The arguments presented here are solid and any possible dissent is the result of racism, prejudice, and intolerance – in other words it’s worthless and invalid. Suck on that whites!”

This is why white America is heavily armed, while brown people are stuck in Democrat cities with gun control laws. We’ll see how their big brown brains handle a bullet.

Death seems to imply that all or most Nigerians are geniuses, even though Nigeria is a basket-case economy.

Huh? No he didn’t. That’s what you changed his argument to to make it easier to refute. What he’s saying is that the Nigerians who immigrate to America and make it into the sciences tend to perform on par with East Asians, not that all Nigerians are geniuses. If you can misconstrue what he said to mean he is arguing all Nigerians are geniuses, then likewise I can misconstrue what you’re saying to mean you’re implying all Whites are geniuses, which would be equally disingenuous of me.

You guys just want to keep twisting what he says so you can go back to your same two stupid strawmen arguments of (1) “white men invented everything!” and (2) “Nigeria is a shithole!” This is because you guys seem to only have memorized talking points, and if someone’s point falls outside those talking points you’re clueless as to how to respond. Your only option is to then keep trying to mischaracterize the opponent’s argument in a way that allows you to return to those two talking points.

Death is talking about how Nigerians perform in high level science classes and the honors they win. He never said Nigeria is a paradise. He never said Whites are morons at math and science. He never said Nigerians were responsible for the world’s great innovations or inventions. He never denied that whites invented things.

If you can’t respond to the points he’s actually making about the state of modern classrooms because you lack knowledge in that area, do some research and then come back. Stop with the irrelevant strawman arguments already.

The test will be to see what the children of these successful Nigerians do in the USA.

Experience predicts they will be WAY below their parents. Regression to the mean, and all that. With an average IQ of 83, there is a long way to regress for the children of Nigerians with IQ’s of 140.

BTW, all these race comments are a good argument in favor of racial exclusion. Who needs all this crap on this board. Go spend time on some blog board where NAM’s are appreciated.

NAM’s get very tiresome. They say who needs whites and whites are just mean to them and afraid of them and then whites can’t get far enough way but the NAM’s seek them out, complaining to the whites how nasty whites are to them. How many of you NAM’s prefer to spend time in a mainly NAM environment eg., hospital, neighborhood, school, jail, strip bar, country, rather than in a mainly white environment? Every NAM in this country votes with their feet to live in a white environment. Hell, NAM’s seem to like to spend time on this blog, run by a white guy with very definite non-PC ideas about race, and with a largely white audience.

Don’t you NAM’s get it? Most whites think they are better of without NAM’s around, in every way. Right or wrong, that is what most whites believe. Including all those white liberals who advocate your causes, like Ted Kennedy and John Kerry. They especially avoid NAM’s and all “lower forms of life”, including white trash. Be polite and take a hint and a hike. If you are as good as you claim, you just don’t need to hang out with whites who would rather you were somewhere else.

What is Death’s point in bringing up the supposed racial composition of science/engineering departments and praising to high heaven their accomplishments? To stick it to white people; to tell white people that their going to lose they are going to lose their country and to get used used to it.

That is Death’s agenda.

The lie that Death uses is to treat a deliberate act of government policy (cherry-picked foreigners flooded into universities) as somehow the natural order of the world that we will just have to get used to. Had the government actually cherry-picked white geniuses to staff the university programs and had they not destroyed the economic base of America, then we would be talking about them actually breaking classroom curves instead of some Nigerian garbage.

And, yes, white people did invent all of the major science and engineering practiced in the 21st century. In fact, almost every major scientific, technological, cultural, social and other advance of the last 800 years comes from white Europeans. If in that time China, India, Nigeria had ceased to exist, nobody in the West would’ve noticed.

And, no, just because Newton was white and I am white does not mean I am Newton. Newton being white, however, does mean it makes more sense to fish in the white pool for future Newtons than to fish in the Nigerian pool. That’s how we landed a man on the moon. Instead, we have foreign place-holders taking up time and money telling us how they are going to take over.

It’s a short hand, probably first floated by an Asian (I’d guess and Asian Indian) to distinguish problematic minorities who the left feels must be given affirmative action, and other minorities, who are in fact generally Asians, who are.)

There are loopholes in American affirmative action practice. White Cubans are a fairly populous in America example of a sub group, falling within the Hispanic category, that clearly doesn’t deserve/need it. Course I don’t think anyone does these days at least. There was a good argument for backs getting on a 30 years, one long generation, sunsetting basis only, beginning some 40 years ago.

At least as egregious but usually qualifying would be e.g. the offspring of a white American and an upper or upper middle class entirely or almost entirely white ethnicity Argentinian, Brazilian, Columbian, etc.

This comes about because of the basic dishonesty and skittishness of American leftists as to why they believer AA should be offered to some groups. Their answer is discrimination, but they very squicky when that’s get’s examined too closely.

Ah, nothing like bringing up immigration to freak out the wackjob white nationalists sitting in their bunkers counting their food supply and scrawling crosses onto their bullet casings.

Listen … the reason white american “culture” (if you can call it that) is in decline is not because of an influx of immigrants, it’s YOUR OWN DAMN FAULT.

You have no sense of faith, just a subjective, situational relationship with some bizzare form of protestantism. You worship yourselves and your flashy possessions and don’t bother raising your children right. Your obsessions with materialism and entertainment, your lazy work ethic, and above all your broken moral compass are the reasons why your culture is in decline.

So, go back to watching your football games and sitcoms, get back to complaining how hard your white collar job is, and sit back and watch as brown men fuck your willing daughters and introduce them to some legitimate culture.

I agree with one of the commentators above. Stick to what you can do decently. Your political views are heavily colored by emotion. It’s clear in the rest of your writing that you rely on emotion first, logic second, but you focus enough of your energy on the science of sex that logic at least has the chance to sort of catch up.

I’ve read through your blog and can see that most of it is a rationalization of your behavior, not an objective analysis that might create new behaviors. However, much of it is still quite true – you have a good mind, when you aren’t distracting yourself with emotions – and the rest is entertaining.

The study of politics is not like the study of sex. Your instincts and drives are not going to lead you to truths that you can later retrace logically. You need to force yourself to be objective, in order to argue politics; if you can’t do that then go back to the sex.

Death is missing some fundamental ability to understand or apply the rigourous test of truth that proof writing entails. I am doubting that he really studied any of the subjects he prattles on about.

For example, my undergrad tutorial was on chaos. It is not nearly as whiz-bangy and important as it sounds. Most of the equations and their chaotic behavior are studied in Diff EQ classes without mentioning the word “chaos.” Yet he brings it up to make himself sound important and implies that most engineers immerse themselves in its minute details.

Death’s logic:
Prove: Dark skinned third worlders are better than white people in math and science

Given: Nigerians and Indians do well in American Universities engineering programs

1.The given is irrelevant
2. Third world countries are full of (mostly) dark skinned people
3. Third world countries are septic sh*tholes
4. ????

Good riddance, you bloated alcoholic womanizing slob you made a major contribution to the ruin of America. You spearheaded the pull out of Vietnam and screwed the thousands of friends we left behind to be raped and slaughtered by the North Vietnam troops. You ruined the black families by your welfare programs that gave no incentive to work. Now we have generation after generation of people who do nothing but collect welfare checks.

Part of the reason certain third-worlders are so smart is precisely because they come from difficult countries. Their parents (and extended family with whom they are close, unlike us), really push them to focus on their studies in order to get ahead and push the family forward.

Because the USA is so “cushy” and even “poor” people here are fat (well fed, at least in quantity, if not quality), there is little impetus to improve one’s lot in life.

College students in the USA are spoiled brats who use utilize their time trying to get laid rather than focusing solely on studies so they can excel in order to pull their family up.

We are all about “rugged individualism” in this country, and that has a lot of set-back.

I agree with Admirer – expressing any instinctive reactions of distaste and disgust to someone who facilitated one of them most rapid demographic transformations in history where a solid majority is being rapidly reduced to a minority via mass media propaganda, brainwashing, and shady backroom dealing and wheeling is clearly not objective politics and should NOT be discussed. As a matter of fact, all arguments against a rapid demographic transformation and the players who make it happen are taboo and forbidden because they are racist, bigoted, backwards, retarted, unsophisticated, old-fashioned, and just downright dumb. How many solid arguments need to be presented to whites before they realize that fighting for their survival in this world via stable demographics is clearly wrong!?! It’s not like blacks, Indians, Chinese, Arabs, etc. worry about such outdated concepts as demographics and population numbers. Come on white man – get on the progressive train!

“(I’ll say that I’ve noticed more Arabs than Indians and Orientals trying to get down with ghetto culture. What is up with that? But overall, they also value improvement more than your average American white or black kid.)”

Ghetto culture gets you laid. Being smart, working and having a good job does not. Men go where the pussy is at.

“Ghetto culture gets you laid. Being smart, working and having a good job does not. Men go where the pussy is at.”

But in Asian cultures (from Turkey to Japan and everything in between), being smart, working and having money gets you a high quality wife at an early age. Your family will make sure you get a woman who is your equal from a “good family”, you don’t have to worry about a thing.

Ghetto is NOT the way to go. It will only get you low quality women at best, and KILLED at worst.

Guy defended the minimum wage so Papa Johns paid you a decent wage when you were making pizzas and living in that housing project.

Guy brought you the American with Disabilities Act so your deformed ugly as brother would have a ramp to ride up and not have to have his heavy wheel chair picked up and carried up the staris .

Guy championed the Family and Medical Leave Act so your fat fucking wife could take a few days off after she had your ugly kid.

Guy rallied for the Pell Grant so your poor redneck ass could afford that pile of shit college degree you got.

Guy prevented that pile of shit Robert Bork from getting to the US Supreme court which everyone agrees would have likely lead to the overturn of Roe v. Wade (Antony Kennedy took his spot and has since upheld Roe v. Wade)

Guy championed passed No Child Left Behind so that idiotic high school teacher you had was forced to teach you something and not ramble about her days roaming the African Safaree smoking pot.

Guy passed the voting rights act so racist ass morons like George Wallace could put in place things like the “Poll Tax” and “ID Requirements” to prevent black people for voting for Democrats.

Guy passed the National Cancer Act would funded the national cancer institue 5k fold and has helped America become the greatest treater of cancer illness in the world.

Guy mandated equal funding for Title IX which allowed your ugly sister to be able to play on the field hockey team that cost the University of What-the-fuck-ever 500k bucks a year to run.

Guy was the lead Democrat on the “Ryan White Act” which proposed massive government funding to treat and work on a cure for the AID virus.

Guy was one of the authors of the Health Insurance Portability Act which requires your dog shit employer to offer you that health insurance when they fire your ass and provides for major safe guards and secrecy when it comes to your medical records.

Guy was the lead proponent with Paul Wellstone for the Mental Health Parity Act that required insurance companies to cover mental health at the same level of acute care treatment. Meaning that copay you get in your health care plan must cover a trip to the shrink – which lord knows you need based on this rant.

Guy was the lead of 1997 legislation that expanded the State Children’s Health Insurance Program – it was the largest expansion health insurance coverage for children in the U.S. since Medicaid began in the 1960s.

Not to mention the fact that his brother introduced the Civil Rights Act which is probably the most notable piece of social change legislation in the history of the country.

I wasn’t a big fan of his view on defense related issues…but you gotta give the guy some credit. He has voted on every single Supreme Court Nominee – his chief counsel Steven Breyer was on the Supreme Court.

Guy is a walking legend and his legislative accomplisments touched the lives of every American. Whether it was your wife needing some time off and wanted maternity leave – or whether it was the minimum wage you earned as a kid working at your local store while in high school – or maybe it was pell grant you got your senior year in college.

Guy deserves some respect and credit for making this country a more compassionate and loving nation.

I read their responses and it is full of these ridiculous attempts to ferret out what they think is my hidden motives or agenda, conspiracy theories of government policy, and back-twisting explanations.

Occam razor doesnt apply here i guess. The simplest explanation has to be ignored at all cost.

Even the University of Texas has a RESEARCH HUB devoted to chaos and nonlinear dynamics
(in fact, their url has the word “chaos” in it.)

Here is an M.I.T. course about the same subject…in fact, they use the words “chaos” and “nonlinear dynamics” together. It is titled “Nonlinear dynamics I: CHAOS”. That is the name of the course. It is FREE by the way, for those interested.

I guess since they use the words “chaos” and “nonlinear” M.I.T must not know what they are talking about? I remember from yesterday how comment_whatever was whining about the use of “chaos” and “nonlinear” together. Maybe comment_whatever wants to take issue up with M.I.T about that? Who put “chaos” and “nonlinear” together! Stop! Stop!Stop!

– the list of goodies you noted are little pieces of Socialism, the edifice of which he was the architect. Socialism is shit.
– I’m not with you on several of your premises. Example: Bork. Dead Ted was a filthy lying swine demagogue during the Senate hearings.
– You didn’t say anything about his real ‘accomplishment,” the 1965 Population Replacement Act.

— a more compassionate and loving nation

What the hell is this? The United States of America, the land of the free and the home of the brave, or some goofy hippie commune? And fuck you and your compassion.

I was impressed with your blog until I stumbled across this vile, offensive piece.

Ted Kennedy was one of the greatest American politicians of the past 50 years – truly he was the “Lion of the Senate”.

His work in pushing for sanctions against Apartheid South Africa in the 1980s, helping to further the cause of peace in Ireland, his zeal and energy for helping address the criminal lack of healthcare in the US and his eloquent and principalled opposition to the organised mass-murder that was the illegal invasion if Iraq in 2003 made him an extraordinary human being.

What it is clear is that he never passed any legislation that restricted ignorance – that’s for sure.

Why don’t you go watch your little girls softball game and pour out a Budweiser for Teddy – knowing that the only reason there is a girls high school softball team is because of Title IX.

When your wife cashes in that paid maternity leave – say a thanks to George H.W. Bush for vetoing that shit about 3 times.

When your kid needs a ride up the stairs in his wheelchair and you notice that ramp over to the side – have a smile for the American with Disabilities Act – staunchly opposed by the business community.

The right is so lost – they don’t even know who butters the bread around here.

The entire idea behind this site is that the love and compassion of a woman is something to be earned, not something freely given just for ‘being yourself’.

And ditto for the nation.

The poor person complaining that the government should pay his bills for him is the dorky office worker playing WoW and smoking pot with his buddies in his free time, complaining that no girls want to fuck him.

She won a few awards too, from the Dept. of Physics Competitive Graduate Fellowship to Schlumberger Foundation award.

She also happens to be the only black person(as far as i can see from the student photos on that website.)

p.s. I googled her name to determine if she is a nigerian or not. That is how i know that she is a nigerian.

I know these are all anecdotal evidence….curled from my 6 years of interacting with various nigerians in academic settings…that a more definitive proof will be a solid sociological research specifically focusing on nigerian immigrants academic performance in hard sciences/engineering in america(which i doubt anybody cares to bother themselves with.)

For me anyways, the little data i have about nigerian or foreign blacks in hard science/engineering is good enough for me.

“The Americans with Disabilites Act should either be extensively amended or repealed.”

Some disabled people would die if they did not have disability. They are really that disabled.

If/when it happens to you….. would like to see how well you hold up.

Despite all the bravado here regarding “game” being a hard-earned meritocracy, there also seems to be alot of suppressed angst directed towards women who nonetheless feel you haven’t merited yourselves enough.

Seems to be a lot of bitterness over the fact that there will always be some dude close buy who merits more than you.

Hence my advocation of a society that nurtures love and compassion so that guys like you can get mates too.

(arranged marriage system)

If arranged marriage cultures like India had the same “home of the free and brave”/”rugged individualist” attitudes towards relationships that we have, do you think half those men would be able to wed and bed women? Do you think they would not have the low (almost nil) divorce rates?

It is precisely because of the “group think” of India that everyone is practically guaranteed a spouse that will not divorce them.

I sense that death is making it all up. He said “even at the Univ of Texas” they know about chaos. How can anyone with a working brain be so parochial.
Google UT Austin. Check their stats on their web page. Notice that it has been one of the best funded University in the world for decades.
I guess death is not quite nigerian smart himself.

BMM
“Some disabled people would die if they did not have disability. They are really that disabled.”

American’s have always been the most generous when it comes to giving to charities. Why not let good old fashion philanthropy take care of this? Then people wouldn’t be on the hook for all the governmental nonsense that goes along with the ADA(ie AIDS falls under this but it is certainly a preventable disability, why should other have to pay for the foolish behavior of a few)

“American’s have always been the most generous when it comes to giving to charities. Why not let good old fashion philanthropy take care of this? Then people wouldn’t be on the hook for all the governmental nonsense that goes along with the ADA”……………………..

Because the “nonsense” you have to deal with in “charities” is even worse, believe it or not, my child.

This was her exact quote
“Most of the equations and their chaotic behavior are studied in Diff EQ classes without mentioning the word “chaos.” “.

That is why i pointed out schools curricula and textbooks where the word “chaos” is used. Even in the titles! Basically, s/he doesnt know what she is talking about.

I am faintly amused by these weak attempt at “psychoanalysis”, attempt to find my “hidden motives”, how i shouldnt use the word “chaos” and “nonlinear” together(the way comment_whatever) argued. Despite engineering textbooks and university curricula that does uses “chaos”, “nonlinear”, etc.

Your arguments have devolved into critiques of grammar/semantics/psychology/nigeria is a shithole/whitepeople invented everything.

It’s amazing that there are actually people here practically arguing against the existence of smart Africans. Even given what is called “HBD” by certain political pundits, it is a fact that Africa is the most genetically diverse continent in the world. So the existence of elite African ethnic groups should be able to fit into that theory. People believe what they want to believe, I guess, and I doubt many so called “HBD” folk are really motivated by scientific intrigue. Its clear to me that none of the people arguing with death have actually had to compete at high levels academically recently, otherwise there would be no shock expressed at what death is saying. There are plenty of brilliant young African immigrant students as of late. The reason for this, I don’t know.

That is the list of student names in that program. The program generally takes 8 years.

The list is long…i dont have the deep interest in looking and googling every name that is “foreign sounding”. That will be a royal waste of my time. Besides, i already know that there will be foreign born blacks there, i merely did a little search and already i have these names popping out(let just say, i wasnt surprised a bit) :

Google those names and look at the super stellar accomplishments of these people and country of origin.

Are these things absolutely conclusive? No. But i dont think anybody has conducted a detailed analysis of foreign blacks academic performance in hard science/engineering.

These anecdotals are enough for me. You see this kind of performance over and over that settles it for me.

And am i suppose to go around thinking that because i am white therefore i am mentally superior to somebody(that is foreign black) that can ace harvard md/phd programs? You are shitting me

I leave you liberal arts/business majors/mba students to your superiority and psychoanalysis…even though you dont stand a chance in an engineering class. I leave you to your questions of my “hidden motives”, and the minutiae of how somebody is suppose to use the word “chaos” or “nonlinear” or this or that. Keep grasping for straws, gentlemen.

P.S. I look through the list of American Chemical Society scholarship awards…..you know how many nigerians name i found on that list after googling foreign sounding names? From Yale in the east coast to Stanford in the west coast. Take a guess……

But i am convinced that will not change anything. The typical response will be ” nigeria is a shithole”, white people invented everything”. why did you use the word “chaos” and “nonlinear” together. blah blah blah.

There are NO smart Nigerians!! Zero! Everyone here knows it and everyone here can prove it. As a matter of fact academics have long ago proven beyond any serious doubt that there are no smart Nigerians. I thought it was common knowledge – how can you not agree? I look around me right now and see no smart Nigerians – once again proving that there are no smart Nigerians. I close my eyes and see no smart Nigarians.. see how easy it is for me to crush your point!?! How much more proof do you need??? Have you not read the countless papers on how there are no smart Nigerians!? Have you not seen the TV shows? If not let me assure you that my friends and I spend hours discussing how there are NO smart Nigerians. Wait… make that days and months maybe even years of intellectual and rigorous debate about how there are no smart Nigerians. As a matter of fact the whole conservative movement in the US can be reduced to the statement: “there are NO smart Nigerians!” Actually that is an understatement – all of Western civilization, its purpose, and its people can be reduced to the one truth: There are NO smart Nigerians!!!

Nigerians can be smart; actually, NIgeria´s tribes act like castes so there are “smart castes” in Nigeria just like India, but NIgeria´s IQ is well below India´s so the bhramins of NIgeria are even rarer than India´s

There are no beautiful Nigerian women. You may find a dozen or so among 70 million females there. The only places in Africa where you may find SOME beauties are Senegal (the most beautiful people among the black race) adn Somalia. I say that a medium Brazilian city like Ribeirão Preto or Uberaba (500 thousand people each) has more beautiful girls than the whole of Sub-saharan Africa excluding Senegal/Somalia

since there is no lack of smart people in the US while there is a lack of beautiful girls (see: mail order brides), importing ugly girls who are smart is idiotic. There are also two serious side effects: depriving Nigeria from smart people and adding angry people to the US. It is well known in this blog that smart and ugly females are the life and blood of feminism, with all its evils.

Sorry to break this to you….these engineering majors.
chemical, mechanical, biomedical, aerospace, civil, computer, electrical, industrial, all study either fluid mechanics and/or stochastic models and/or dynamics and/or field theory(gauge or otherwise). Even people who studied “financial engineering” have to learn stochastics calculus. These are essential, core part of engineering program. Not electives. Prerequisites.

RE: smart people. Look at their cultures. If they have generations of intact and tight extended families where the children respect and even fear their elders, if they are religious and pass down that religion to their children, and if they have other cultural traditions that are passed down over generations, the people will tend to be smart even if they are dumb.

The dumb ones would be the poor people with no access to good education, but once they are given access, because of their culture, values and ethics, they will be incredibly appreciative of that education and focus like mad on their studies, so as to be the one to raise their family up out of poverty.

It all starts in the home. If you have broken homes, you have broken individuals, a broken society and a broken educational system.

I had typed out a response to you, but I just deleted it, chosing instead to let your post stand unchallenged in its amusing self-parody. I only hope for your sake you are trolling, and that it was intentional.

LOL @ Top

Yeah! Death is OBVIOUSLY some lefty propogandist conspiring with the Jewy Jeeeeews to destroy the Aryan race through miscegenation! Screw him, those Nigerians and their stoplastic calcumus!

I understand the appeal of a good rant, but this vile spiel smacks of failed state-control. And what’s up with this,

“You, Senator Kennedy, are the bloated fermented sack of pestilent traitorous lying filth who helped pass the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 that in its effects has been a de facto genocide by another name against America’s majority and soon to be minority native sons and daughters…”

Since when does being alpha mean being the defender of the white race? Seems to me a real alpha wouldn’t be worried about a little off-color competition.

I am repeating this again for an unbelievable third time: Any sufficiently large population will produce a few geniuses.

If you have 100 million Nigerians, odds are you will find a dozen or even a hundred Nigerians who are geniuses.

If you have a government/university complex that intentionally bypasses white, American geniuses in favor of Nigerians, then you will have plenty of these people representin’ in the University system.

If you have an idiot like “Death” who does not understand sample bias or the US diversity policy, you, too, would think Nigeria is some sort of untapped resource of cranial brilliance. Yet, the basic incongruity between Nigeria’s supposed brilliant population and Nigeria’s status as a third world backwater is easily explained by the cherry-picked selection of unrepresentative samples.

A supposed “engineering” graduate who is supposed to know statistics simply does not understand sample bias.

Oh, here’s the curriculum in electrical engineering at the University of Illinois. Meh…math stuff is pretty standard…then again. I double-majored in math and economics at the University of Chicago.

Truth – I just reread every one of Death’s points to see if I missed something because you keep acting like he argued that the Nigerian engineering students he mentions were representative of the typical Nigerian. If he did argue this, your selection bias point would be relevant. But what he is actually arguing is that the Nigerians who DO get selected to enter these programs end up being very dominant forces in their programs and end up being among the most competitive students in the class. Therefore, the people in this thread who are arguing that only the Europeans produce good, high functioning immigrants and the third world produce none are mistaken. That is a very VERY different point than the one you are pretending he made, which is that all Nigerians are super-smart. None of his argument is inconsistent with the concept of selection bias.

The problem isn’t that he is too stupid to understand selection bias, the problem apparently is that YOU are incapable of comprehending his actual point, or are too dishonest to address it and need to create the strawman of “Death is saying the average Nigerian is a genuis” because that strawman allows you to pull out your HBD talking point.

I’ll give you credit though, your persistence, talking points, sophistry, strawmen and ad homs almost make up for your lack of reading comprehension and logic.😉 I was hoping for a good debate on this topic, but since no one actually wants to debate Death’s point and is choosing to debate strawmen instead, I’m going to leave the thread too. Bye.

Death outed itself as an idiot when it said “even” UT Austin had a research program in a particular field.
UT Austin has a 16 Billion dollar endowment. It is in the state Constitution that most of that money must be spent in Austin. For several decades, UT has been one of the best funded research Universities in the world.
And it is in a drop-dead gorgeous part of the Texas Hill Country with a deeply Middle European vibe.
I have a brother who earned a PHD in Physics who studied there.
Death is absolutely full of shit.

I know a smart pro-football Nigerian. So this proves all Nigerians are smart and athletic. Just sayin…

Do me a favor. Quote the text where Death says all Nigerians are smart because he knows a few smart ones, and then put it in a comment. Because I’m pretty sure if you follow the thread of the debate, what he was actually arguing is that the notion that only Europe produces smart immigrants is a myth.

Better off ted? why is this guy getting so much praise from the media? In my humble opinion he was just another political douche bag that did his best to try and completely ruin the country as quickly as he could.

Did they mention he was a raging alcoholic who would pull his pecker out at any party given a chance or that woke up more times in a pool of his own piss and vomit then showed up to vote on important legislation?

I’m still trying to understand why other politicians are rallying by his bloated corpse singing praise and fabricating stories of moving personal experiences and grandure. If the man was a “brother” like figure “inspiration” etc. etc. we need to take a serious look at the figures who claim to have aspired to be more like ted so that we may vote them out of office as soon as possible and pop them off of the tit of democracy from which they have been sucking their entire lives. How do senators become worth millions? I wasn’t aware being a public representative paid so well……… I’ve never heard of a General or Admiral having accumulated such wealth, certainly not a post master or teacher. AMAZING!!!

Death: Not true, many of the best scientists and Nobel prize winners from America are immigrants, along with top science students.

Commenter: “Well yeah, but those are only EUROPEAN immigrants. Every third world immigrant that came afterward though, THEY’RE all a drain.”

Death: That’s not true either. In my science classes many of the most dominant students tend to be foreign born blacks like Nigerians.

Somehow this became:

– Death is saying all whites are incapable of math and science, so let’s point out over and over that whites inventend math and science.

or

– Death is saying all Nigerians are geniuses, so let’s keep pointing out Nigeria is a shithole or make sarcastic irrelevant comments like “I know a smart pro-football Nigerian. So this proves all Nigerians are smart and athletic. Just sayin…”

I’m down for vigorous politically incorrect debate, but at least debate the guy’s actual point.

I have an idea. Death should move to Nigeria to enjoy the company of the many Geniuses who live there.
Why does that sentence appear to be crazy? Why does it offend our deepest reality-grasping instincts?
Why do absolutely all of us know Death will not travel to Nigeria to “be with lots of smart people”?
The thing speaks for itself.

who cares if three schvoogs from nigeria can excel at engineering–the world would still be better off if we plowed africa under including its population and repopulated it with excess people from the anglosphere

Your stunning lack of genetic education is showing. As is Truth and Mandy’s inability to follow an argument.

I will repeat. Africa is THE most genetically diverse continent on the planet. Whether or you think they all “look the same” is irrelevant. (They probably think all Europeans look the same too) They don’t look the same, and if they did, it wouldn’t mean they are not genetically diverse.
Good God, what is this, people read a few Steve Sailer articles and think they know something about science and genetics? ha! As if Steve Sailer is some kind of respected expert on the matter within the scientific community.

Truth, Mandy, nobody was saying all Nigerians are geniuses. Why do you insist on repeatedly hoisting that straw man in the air? You would be wise to fit the outperformance of immigrant Nigerian students within the framework of your sacred “HBD”, as commenter gig has, by acknowledging that there probably are ethnic groups of high IQ Africans, but no, your racism gets in the way of that. When someone mentions “Africans”, apparently you just see “stupid 3rd world Negroes” in a very simplistic and low-IQ fashion.

If you want nothing but white people, then there are other places to move. You’ll probably crawl back to the racially diverse US with your tail between your legs.

***I insist on putting “HBD” in quotes because the concept these commenters insist on defining as “Human BioDiversity” is really just a euphemism for every crude racial stereotype that exists in their minds, not an actual scientific hypothesis.

“Is it? Seems to me that present day North America has a wider variety of peoples from all over.

Africa? Africans look pretty similar to me.”

Newsflash: genetic diversity has nothing to do with physical appearance.

All non-African ‘races’ and groups are far more genetically similar than even subsets of the African population.

Upon leaving Africa the migrants (originally from northern east Africa by the looks of their DNA) underwent a bottleneck. Later this small, inbred population spread through the Middle East (second highest genetic diversity), Europe and Asia (third), and later to the Pacific (fourth) and Americas (most genetically similar).

This information is recent, but very easy to access. You idiot racist commenters should do a little reading. Start with Guns, Germs and Steel: The Fates of Human Societies by Jared Diamond.

PS: This means there is no ‘black race’. There are at least 11-15 ‘races’ in Africa, and the differences between them are more pronounced than the differences between, say, a Brit of ‘Celtic’ ancestry and a Han Chinese.

Bonnie,
You’re a dumb fuck nigger lover. Niggers are animals. Every now and again you get a smart one who can do shit with a peanut, but that’s about it. If niggers were so intelligent and able, Africa would be a paradise. Look at the niggers we have in the US. They’ve recreated little Africas with all the attendant rapes, murder, theft, studpidity and violence one would find in Liberia. Yes, we’re all a bunch of bigots, but even Ted Kennedy lived in a family compound far from niggers like all the other liberals do. Funny how that works.

I know a smart pro-football Nigerian. So this proves all Nigerians are smart and athletic. Just sayin…

“just sayin” means the author is insecure about his/her assertion and can not /will not defend it. It provides deniability. It becomes impossible to converse with these people. They are the same type who use “I’m right, you’re wrong.”

The concept is simple (but so are you, so think hard). Human life originated in Africa and first spread and diversified across that continent. After many millions of years of evolution and genetic diversification in different areas Africa, a small population of humans from one area (no one knows why it was such a small inbred group, but it was according to DNA markers) migrated from the continent and gradually spread over millions of years through the Middle East, Europe, Asia, the Pacific and the Americas.

Basically, the smaller the founding group a greater population is descended from, and the shorter the amount of time involved for evolution, the less genetic diversity.

Have you taken a look at the list of american nobel prize winners? Most are first, second or third generation immigrants. Over 95% of them. Read their quick biographies.

In fact, read the biographies of american greatest enterpreneurs. Most are immigrants or children of immigrants…there a few that are 3rd generation immigrants”

Notice the typical pro-immigration slant. See, immigration is good because it brings all of these american nobel prize winners…as if all immigration does is bring american nobel prize winners.

Furthermore, he keeps bringing up 1st, 2nd or 3rd generation immigrants. Buddy, there is no such things as a “generational” immigrant. There is the immigrant…and then there is his descendant who is an American citizen. For example, my parents emigrated from eastern Europe. They are immigrants. I, on the other hand, am a native-born US citizen, not a 1st generation immigrant. So your list of all of these “immigrant” nobel prize winners is bogus.

For every Nigerian earning a doctorate at an American University, there a thousand living on welfare in some American refugee program.

In fact, your genius Nigerian is probably chain migrating his dimwit family members right into the US welfare state. How much can he possibly earn to cover the cost of his stupid relatives?

America does not need immigrants. America ended immigration in 1924, and between 1924 and 1965 America became the wealthiest and most technologically advanced country in the world. It also developed into the most homogeneous middle class society on the planet.

Ever since the immigration floodgates were opened, conditions in America have steadily declined for the vast majority of Americans.

But as long as we can getting a thin sliver of puzzle-solving outliers, that’s a-ok for Death.

You two put it quite distinctly. There is really nothing much to say except this missive:

You know…..the….. The first black person on this planet to win an academic nobel prize is(not some fluffy “peace award”)….guess who that is?……

A nigerian immigrant educated in britain: Wole Soyinka. .

Go figure.

(I found this out yesterday while looking at nigerians in Cambridge and Oxford universities in Britain. Guess what else i found about their academic performance?….Hehehe.)

In a way, i am not really surprised at all.

Apparently, Wole Soyinka is the first graduate of University of Leeds(ranked 12th in the UK) to win the Nobel prize literature. No whites or blacks or asians or hispanics graduate of University of Leeds had won that award in that specific field before him.
(Actually, this one kinda surprises me. It is like saying the first graduate of Johns Hopkins or Cornell or Brown or Dartmouth or Northwestern to win the Nobel Prize in literature is a Nigerian.)

Anyways, If you want to confirm that University of Leeds is #12 in UK academically, check the link below or ask BHETTI.

BUT OF COURSE……nigeria is a shithole and whites invented everything……..

AS AN ASIDE….

HTS and Joe,

I just laughed out loud about the guy who doesnt know that africa is the most GENETICALLY diverse continent on the planet. I didnt even bother responding to him. My guess is that most of these people didnt study science. And there is no amount of hard science that will convince them about their racial views.

I took a class in college called “Molecular Pathways” for my Biochemistry class. It was a 600 level class. One of the subsection of that class was about evolutionary biology of molecular pathways. We went through a shitload of published peer review papers, tons of it, tracing evolutionary patterns based on studies conducted from genetics to proteomics. We went through results after results of various molecular biology techniques, some of them annoyingly redundant: cDNA libraries results, Polymerase chain reaction results, Restriction fragment length polymorphism, Plasmid Vectors cloning/subcloning (which was used to create those cDNA libraries) Western/Northern/Southern blotting and their hybridization results, rna/dna labeling, allele frequency distribution, homologous sequences studies, subcellular fractionation results, yeast-2 hybrid results, restriction enzymes analysis, all sorts of immunodetections assays, nucleotide sequencing, NMR of proteins, even old fashioned gel electrophoresis, blah blah blah blah blah.

You know what became very clear despite “obvious, intuitive knowledge”?

There is no scientific basis for race. None. Zero. Nada.

Scientifically, race doesnt exist. Unless you want to argue against raw biological data. The same way that scientifically the earth is not flat, neither is the earth the center of the universe; despite how the earth may look intuitively to a child without scientific knowledge.
Most of these results cannot be understood by people without the necessary biochemistry background(probably with the exception of BHETTI.)

And you want to sit here arguing with these “white superior” liberal arts major about these scientific things? If you send them the link to the research papers, they cant even begin to understand it. There is no way for them to even begin to understand what you are talking about. It is like talking to a Dutch guy while speaking Japanese.

Let’s leave them in peace with their sweet dreamscape of steve sailer posts where all the roses bloom white and beautiful. Why spoil such romance with cold, hard intrusion of science? Historically, science always take the fun out of the party(from the existence of the greek gods to Geocentric view of the universe to Spontaneous generation to Blackbody radiation.)

bad examples, russian average IQ is 96 and greece is 92 according to “iq and the wealth of nations”, this is lower than US average and isn’t dragged down by NAMS.

Go back and reread Joe’s comment.

danawho cares if three schvoogs from nigeria can excel at engineering–the world would still be better off if we plowed africa under including its population and repopulated it with excess people from the anglosphere

This was beyond hateful especially coming from someone like you. I’ve heard the same thing said about Israel how many times now???

Joedamn. death is spanking y’all pretty thoroughly.

*elbows joe and winks*

Gig There are no beautiful Nigerian women. You may find a dozen or so among 70 million females there

Lol, if you guys haven’t caught on yet, gig is obsessed with blk women. His true feelings are exactly the opposite of what he writes here.

Their liberal arts brain cannot understand that genetic diversity has nothing to do with physical appearances.
I am talking about multiple papers published by different authors in renowned scientific publications like ‘Nature’ and ‘Science’, done with serious molecular genetics lab techniques on humans DNA/protein samples studies of vast swaths of humanity. Not some asinine hypothetical cogitation of some liberal arts major.

The thing is, these people cannot even begin to understand or interprete the raw biological data that is published in these scientific papers. (with the probable exception of Bhetti.)
You will need at least a 400 level biochemistry/genetics/molecular biology background to begin with.
Another thing i am very certain of: It will not change their views one bit. So, what is the point then?

Leave these liberal arts major alone to their steve sailer dreamworlds where the roses are all white and beautiful…..leave them with their pretty lies…..

I am. Provide specific examples of people who are less racist than me, on this board (CERTAINLY not yourself). I NEVER get involved in the daily black/white battles here, nor do I automatically side with other Indians. Yet, I dispose of Doug1 when he projects his race parochiality onto me.

Stop trying to appease the WN. You can toss salad from today until your death, the WN will kill you if given the chance.

Wrong again. I don’t find most whites to be nearly as racist as blacks like yourself make them out to be. And your attempt to forge ‘colored solidarity’ to shore up anti-white sentiment is lame, and makes you no different than Lucifer. I have more productive uses of my time.

I suppose you think Clarence Thomas and Condi Rice are bad people too.

chic, you are not african and i am not israeli–we are american. i like israel just fine but if people want it destroyed and say so i don’t give a flying fuck. i don’t like israel because its jewish, i like it because i consider it part of the west, i like japan too. i like modern 1st world countries with the following values–individual rights, private property rights, stable predictable rule of law, thriving science research and as much free market econ as possible. show me a white country that doesn’t have those things i’ll tell you to plow it and it’s inhabitants under too

one day you may come to realize that i don’t care if other people hate jews or say the same kind of things about jews i might say about blacks or other ethnes. i agree with about half of the antisemitic observations people make and believe stereotypes are true and that goes for everyone, so its really not an effective admonition.

Regarding “shithole” countries/continents, the countries which your worshipable smart Asians come from are “third world”, and yet they are supposed to be Gods On Earth, high IQ and all that.

There are other factors than simply IQ and smarts that contribute to the messed upness of a country – wars, colonization, etc, etc. Heck, look at the USA, never fought a serious war on it’s own turf nor been taken over by colonizers and yet we are spiraling down with each passing second.

death:
“Scientifically, race doesnt exist. Unless you want to argue against raw biological data. The same way that scientifically the earth is not flat, neither is the earth the center of the universe; despite how the earth may look intuitively to a child without scientific knowledge.
Most of these results cannot be understood by people without the necessary biochemistry background(probably with the exception of BHETTI.)”

whether you want to call it race or whatever other term, group separation of some sort exists in phenotypes. don’t tell me your a blank slatist?

we also share 98-99% of our DNA with chimps. that doesn’t mean we are the same species. so, we might share 99% of our DNA with a random human, that doesn’t mean that relevant loci don’t aggregate in certain group clusters. race is a common shorthand for what this refers to.

with the fruition of the human genome project, we’ll have a better idea in this century of what ‘groups’ do or don’t show what genetic clustering.

hey, i’ve read enough t. sowell, for example, to know certain groups have shown different behavioral traits than in times past. enough to know that there is likely an environmental and genetic component to most relevant human traits, including IQ.

like i said, the coming biotech revolution will elucidate a lot of these issues with more certainty. i wouldn’t be so smug about your position or assume there aren’t a lot of people who don’t know science enough on this blog.

ps, steve sailer is not a scientist and bringing him up is a strawman. most people would refer you to gnxp if you want to debate this issue with those who are more biotech savvy.

5th Horseman, I’m betting PA is either a Christian religiously or a “de facto cultural Christian” and is idea of assimilation is giving up your non-Judeo-Christian religious traditions for Judeo-Christian ones once or twice a year.

In other words he’s saying he doesn’t wanna see Mandirs, Mosques, Gurudwars or Shinto Shrines dotting the landscape of the USA too much.

“Culture” is often tied inextricably to religion.

So some peoples’ idea of “cultural assimilation” would take that into account.

tood Wrong again. I don’t find most whites to be nearly as racist as blacks like yourself make them out to be. And your attempt to forge ‘colored solidarity’ to shore up anti-white sentiment is lame, and makes you no different than Lucifer. I have more productive uses of my time

you are projecting tood. I’ve never said all whites are racists.

no need to shore up colored solidarity. I’m just warning you about making yourseld look like an azz kissing beta.

stop worring yourself about lucifer. You can’t control what he types so why bother coming after him with a broom and dust pan after his every post. some people will not like Indians, deal with it.

CERTAINLY not yourself

Whatever buddy. I won’t cry if you call me a racist. Since I know what’s in my heart.

toodI am. Provide specific examples of people who are less racist than me, on this board

with pleasure….

aoefe,joe,maurice,kim,silvia, and I think novaseeker,spike & comment_ whatever(to a lesser degree) to name a few.

I NEVER get involved in the daily black/white battles here,
Yes you do, whenever lucifer posts something, you go running after him, crying that he is going to ruiin it for indians on this board.

Yet, I dispose of Doug1 when he projects his race parochiality onto me.

You did the very same thing that doug did when he had a debate with me which was bring up my race when it had nothing to do with the argument we were having. You and Uganda, doug and blk matriarchy. So save it when you say you aren’t racist
I’m getting tired of that word around here anyway. Not one blk person here has called out a white poster as a “racist”.*

and is idea of assimilation is giving up your non-Judeo-Christian religious traditions for Judeo-Christian ones once or twice a year.

Perhaps you are right. My idea of assimilation is to merely achieve or exceed economic parity with the natives of the host country. Whether you still watch cricket, use chopsticks, or smoke hookah is immaterial. White people happily do all three on occasion if the situation calls for it. That is how it should be.

My form of assimilation happens automatically in the workplace based on performance, so the other type of assimilation would have to counter the strong tide of workplace meritocracy.

So what I consider assimilation is different than what others consider assimilation.

Chic Noir believes that all non-whites should be more racist towards whites. Thanks but no thanks, I have no need to do that. She and I have nothing in common, as we are at opposite ends of the education/economic spectrum.

I noticed Chicpea dodged the question about Colin Powell and Condi Rice. That says it all.

dana individual rights, private property rights, stable predictable rule of law, thriving science research and as much free market econ as possible. show me a white country that doesn’t have those things i’ll tell you to plow it and it’s inhabitants under too

Much of Eastern Europe.
*waves bye bye to PA*

and they say that Bullicosi kinda has Italian media on lock and chancellor schroeder(hair plugs) was sort of dicktative to the German Media.

Tood She and I have nothing in common, as we are at opposite ends of the education/economic spectrum.

Yes we are and I’m not ashamed. Yet you are still unhappy with your life after spending how much on your education??? I can only imagine your mother’s joy when you bring home a hologram or sexbot as her new daughter in law

FYI, Keep searching tood and you may find something that I’m sensitive about.

Tood Chic Noir believes that all non-whites should be more racist towards whites. What a liar you are. You’re just mad that I don’t agree with you that we should flood this country with new immigrants.

tood I noticed Chick dodged the question about Colin Powell and Condi Rice. That says it all.

NO, this isn’t what you posted the first time.
you wrote this>>>>> I suppose you think Clarence Thomas and Condi Rice are bad people too.

You are a liar, you can’t remember your own statements because you lie so much.
FYI, I thought that was a statement not a question.

Ditz Noir wants to drag a successful member of a successful group, 5th Horseman, down to her delinquent level. She claims he is a ‘racist’ for not hating whites enough. This passes for logic in black America today.

I have said in the past, with a heavy heart, that the only two groups in the world that are hopeless, are blacks and AmerIndian Mestizos. Ditz Noir’s blatherings prove this. She wants to drag down a successful group that has wisely chosen to distance themselves from blacks and not fall into unproductive black dysfunction.

She tried to do the same with PA earlier in the thread, and PA swatted the drug dealer away quickly as well.

Furthermore, while Obsidian, Nicole, Ruby, Black Military Man and sometimes even David Alexander are intelligent people in their own right, Ditz Noir is just DUMB. She advertises her stupidity daily. She does not know what she does not know.

Ditz Noir thinks that any colored person who does not vote Dumbocrat is a ‘sellout’. Obsidian voted for McCain, you know.

Plus, she is on record as admitting that a women should conduct cuckolding if she can get away with it, and that a woman ambushing a man with pregnancy so that she can mooch child support off of him is ok. Essentially, a woman raping a man is ok.

Anti-white and anti-male. That is what this warpig in waiting will soon become.

chic the media and the vote are to me the least important of the individual rights. a government that has stable rules, respects property rights and stays out of business is more likely to have a prosperous citizentry than one that doesnt respect property and biz but gives its people freedom of speech and the vote.

From reading the offensive and ignorant comments in this thread, I know now why everyone in the civilised world thinks Americans are not only comically stupid but crassly ignorant, xenophobic and racist as well.

There are many smart people in Nigeria. Some tribes there produce more Western-style smart people than do others: the Ibo tend to produce many academically smart people, many of whom did well in medical and engineering programs in English and American universities long before there was any such thing as affirmative action. (BTW, their countrymen sometimes hated them for this; that’s one of the reasons for the Biafran war.)

There are lots of pretty women, with somewhat western-style features, in West Africa. Perhaps most of all, as one reader says, in Senegal, where heart-shaped faces, long hair, tiny waists, and slender ankles seem to be the birth-right of every girl. The Yoruba women of coastal Nigeria run to fat, though they can be very pretty when young and slender. In Northern Nigeria there are tribes whose women tend to be small-featured and slender all along. Such women are also to be found in Ivory Coast. Mauretanian tribes (except for the Dogone, who are not attached to one single country, I think), like FAAAAT women.

The very dark-skinned, tall, thin women of the southern Sudan and central Africa are not generally attractive to white men, but they at least look elegant, and are quiet and refined in behaviour. They don’t resemble the loud, bellicose “sapphires” of US stereotype.

FWIW, it’s the former colonies of French West Africa that seem to have the largest number of western-style pretty women. Coincidence?

“America does not need immigrants. America ended immigration in 1924, and between 1924 and 1965 America became the wealthiest and most technologically advanced country in the world. ”

“Ever since the immigration floodgates were opened, conditions in America have steadily declined for the vast majority of Americans.”

Right, things have gotten sooooo much worse since 1965. I have a cell phone, personal computer, internet and all kinds of cool stuff not even dreamed of in 1965. Give me a break. If you want to go back to 1965 the first thing you could do is turn off your computer. Actually, please do. If you lived in 1925, you would be crying about the flood of Alpines and Mediterraneans ruining the Anglo Saxon stock of the country, whining about how much better it was in the 1850s or something.

I hope one of the highly capable Nigerian students death has linked to develops a groundbreaking medical treatment you will eventually need. There is a state Biotech Institute near me (which I hope to work at, eventually). When I first found out about it I was (pleasantly) suprised to see such a high representation of African students/employees. The work everyone does at the Institute is amazing and they or their counterparts elsewhere will probably develop many medical treatments you or your family will need in the future.

The lengths Stevenosphere commenters go to justify crude racism is astonishing. I’ve seen bloggers in this space regularly withold crucial info to make their cheap political points. For example, recently I read some post about a gene variant linked to microcephalin and brain development found in Asia and Europe but not Africa. What the “HBD” blogger left out, that I found by reading the actual paper, was that there was an African variant not found in Europe or Asia that was hypothesized to perform the same function. You would think this was crucial info, but it was left out, leaving frustrated, impotent keyboard beta-bigots to type furiously “OMG..I knew blacks were dumb! here be the proof! Kick out all the NAM’s! Race war!” None of the “HBD” bloggers ever mention the gene variants linked to high IQ found exclusively in Africa (yes they do exist). And they all seem to have the same sort of reactionary nativist (if not outright racist) politics. Consequently, I can not take anyone in this space seriously. They are all just political hacks. Before I stumbled on “HBD”-ers, I had no clue that there were still people who seriously spoke of the “Negroids, Caucasoids and Mongoloids”. Such pseudoscience has long been abandoned, yet these people somehow think they are some kind of secret club “in the know”.

In conclusion, it is a shame Roissy has smeared his blog with this very beta whining about immigration and ethnic makeup. He’s a great writer. I’m sorry to hear he got beat up or outperformed by a brown guy at some point in his life, giving him a chip on his shoulder.

“Right, things have gotten sooooo much worse since 1965. I have a cell phone, personal computer, internet and all kinds of cool stuff not even dreamed of in 1965. Give me a break.”

what does this have to do with wanting a coherent immigration policy or having a rationale debate on a sustainable level of low skilled ethnic groups in america? which group(s) invented all the aforementioned products you just listed?

you’re as incendiary as the people you are vainly trying to parody and are simply making a poor attempt at trying to shame them.

if you really were sincere in debating these issues, you’d do so on more tech relevant hbd blogs.

The article (what isn’t blocked by a sign in firewall) doesn’t say anything about the relative genetic diversity between africa and the rest of the world. It just says it’s genetically diverse.

North America now contains people who originated in multiple locations across Europe, Asia, Africa, and (of course N and S America). Why am I supposed to believe that Africa remains more more genetically diverse?

HTS said :
“In conclusion, it is a shame Roissy has smeared his blog with this very beta whining about immigration and ethnic makeup. He’s a great writer. I’m sorry to hear he got beat up or outperformed by a brown guy at some point in his life, giving him a chip on his shoulder.”

I couldn’t agree more.

What is a delicious irony is that the United States is a country composed of immigrants.

Moreover, if you read Howard Zinn’s ” A People’s History of the United States” it is clear that the US was founded on ethnic cleansing and genocide of the Native Americans.

Perhaps 10 million Native Americans where wiped out due to the invasion and colonisation of North America by White Europeans.

To listen to intellectually challenged white people complain about immigration in a country founded on immigration

[editor: actually, it was founded on colonization. but thank you for playing.]

and the displacement of the native population is farcical and would be hilarious if it wasn’t so tragic!

Something I notices is that the cultural Left makes about 0.01% of the noise about AmerIndians as it does about blacks. And objectively, Indians lost big time in their encounter with whites, while blacks gained big time — slaves’ descendants living in America as civilized men and not in Africa as jungle monsters and all that.

Lefties masturbate to accounts of march on Selma, while Indians barely register on their WhiteGuiltometer. Why is that?

I suspect that when W dies of old age, lefties will eulogize him generally with positives, as “compassionate” and such. They weren’t too harsh on Reagan when he died either, though that’s because they were at the time consumed with their utterly irrational hate for their great ally / useful idiot GWB.

I never understood this phenomenon, by the way. It couldn’t have been only about the soreness of the close election with Gore.

Though when Nixon died in 1994, op-eds by lefties were still full of venom.

Chic Noir – what I find more offensive than Indians (South Asian variety – dot, not feather) distancing themselves from Blacks, is those who try to assume a solidarity based on skin color.

I’m sure all of us here have come across the spoiled, University educated, cushy white collar job Indian dude or dudette who cries “racism” and tries to pass it off that they have it just as bad as Black people in this country due to their skin color, and hence a sort of “solidarity” should be formed.

But, they are of course, unwilling to even walk a few blocks through the ghetto even in bread daylight.

LOL.

There are tons of such Indians writing their nonsense on blogs these days.

Bonnie,
You’re a dumb fuck nigger lover. Niggers are animals. Every now and again you get a smart one who can do shit with a peanut, but that’s about it. If niggers were so intelligent and able, Africa would be a paradise. Look at the niggers we have in the US. They’ve recreated little Africas with all the attendant rapes, murder, theft, studpidity and violence one would find in Liberia. Yes, we’re all a bunch of bigots, but even Ted Kennedy lived in a family compound far from niggers like all the other liberals do. Funny how that works.

Good point Dana. Being that we are both in the GenX age group, we have an unusual immunity to the “racism” charge. People older than us can be manipulated with bad-whitey material from their youth, while people younger that us had been bathed in PC since the day they were born.

the problem wasn’t that we killed “native americans” the problem was that we left ONE single native american alive to bitch and moan and hold it against us forever

I do try my best to make the most racist comment in the threads that Roissy deliberately opens for the HBD crowd, but Dana took my crown in this one

Douglass North is an economist, who won the nobel prize. He came toi my college to give a speech a few years ago. Very few people went to it. His research area is “institutional economics” , a self-explaining title.

People started asking why and how Brazilian institutions were so much worse than America´s. He said “you fucking people didn´t even manage to kill all your Indians like us!!! Look at you, you should first fight the Indian wars and then start talking about Anglo-saxon institutions“

-I could care less about the politics on this blog, but do you all hate Ted Kennedy because he helped make America LESS WHITE?-

Less white: more violent, more stupid, more dangerous, less competitive, less pleasant, more expensive…Of course Kennedy lived far from niggers, spics or anything like that. Seems to be something liberals do. Never seem to want to share in the wonders and benefits of diversity, they send their kids to private school, etc… Just a mystery, I suppose…

Kennedy’s personal life has always been a press secretary’s nightmare. During his twenty-two-year marriage, his extramarital affairs were numerous and barely hidden. “He was philandering from the moment he was married,” recalls old Kennedy-family associate Dick Tuck. “Not one-night stands, but not much more than that. Kind of affairs of convenience…I think most normal people might have more than one affair [during a marriage] but not every week, like Teddy. He was always chasing, looking for the conquest.”

…

As Garry Wills makes clear in his elegant The Kennedy Imprisonment, Ted Kennedy was born and bred to act like the last of the Regency rakes: to be a boor when it pleases him, to take what he wants, to treat women as score-markers in the game of sport-fucking and to revel in high-stakes risks.

Dude, I just spent five minutes googling and found photos of you, found out your birthdate, other sites you use with videos of you, and also managed to find out where you are geographically within a 3 mile range.

Should I post all said information here? Who’d like to see this information?

Real hard working Americans do not complain about lax restrictions on immigration. They work hard for their dollars and so they want the best value for those dollars, which is why they hire immigrants like myself. I give my employers the best bang for their buck. You are owed no favors by virtue of your place of birth, get off your ass and do some work.

The article (what isn’t blocked by a sign in firewall) doesn’t say anything about the relative genetic diversity between africa and the rest of the world. It just says it’s genetically diverse.

North America now contains people who originated in multiple locations across Europe, Asia, Africa, and (of course N and S America). Why am I supposed to believe that Africa remains more more genetically diverse?”

Humans did not originate in Europe, Asia, or North and South America.

There’s no point in explaining further. You don’t have the intelligence or basic knowledge to comprehend the principles of genetics or human evolution.

Picking his way through the Soviet archives that Boris Yeltsin had just thrown open, in 1991 Tim Sebastian, a reporter for the London Times, came across an arresting memorandum. Composed in 1983 by Victor Chebrikov, the top man at the KGB, the memorandum was addressed to Yuri Andropov, the top man in the entire USSR. The subject: Sen. Edward Kennedy.

“On 9-10 May of this year,” the May 14 memorandum explained, “Sen. Edward Kennedy’s close friend and trusted confidant [John] Tunney was in Moscow.” (Tunney was Kennedy’s law school roommate and a former Democratic senator from California.) “The senator charged Tunney to convey the following message, through confidential contacts, to the General Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, Y. Andropov.”

Kennedy’s message was simple. He proposed an unabashed quid pro quo. Kennedy would lend Andropov a hand in dealing with President Reagan. In return, the Soviet leader would lend the Democratic Party a hand in challenging Reagan in the 1984 presidential election. “The only real potential threats to Reagan are problems of war and peace and Soviet-American relations,” the memorandum stated. “These issues, according to the senator, will without a doubt become the most important of the election campaign.”

Kennedy made Andropov a couple of specific offers.

First he offered to visit Moscow. “The main purpose of the meeting, according to the senator, would be to arm Soviet officials with explanations regarding problems of nuclear disarmament so they may be better prepared and more convincing during appearances in the USA.” Kennedy would help the Soviets deal with Reagan by telling them how to brush up their propaganda.

Then he offered to make it possible for Andropov to sit down for a few interviews on American television. “A direct appeal … to the American people will, without a doubt, attract a great deal of attention and interest in the country. … If the proposal is recognized as worthy, then Kennedy and his friends will bring about suitable steps to have representatives of the largest television companies in the USA contact Y.V. Andropov for an invitation to Moscow for the interviews. … The senator underlined the importance that this initiative should be seen as coming from the American side.”

Kennedy would make certain the networks gave Andropov air time–and that they rigged the arrangement to look like honest journalism.

Kennedy’s motives? “Like other rational people,” the memorandum explained, “[Kennedy] is very troubled by the current state of Soviet-American relations.” But that high-minded concern represented only one of Kennedy’s motives.

“Tunney remarked that the senator wants to run for president in 1988,” the memorandum continued. “Kennedy does not discount that during the 1984 campaign, the Democratic Party may officially turn to him to lead the fight against the Republicans and elect their candidate president.”

Kennedy proved eager to deal with Andropov–the leader of the Soviet Union, a former director of the KGB and a principal mover in both the crushing of the 1956 Hungarian Revolution and the suppression of the 1968 Prague Spring–at least in part to advance his own political prospects.

In 1992, Tim Sebastian published a story about the memorandum in the London Times. Here in the U.S., Sebastian’s story received no attention. In his 2006 book, The Crusader: Ronald Reagan and the Fall of Communism, historian Paul Kengor reprinted the memorandum in full. “The media,” Kengor says, “ignored the revelation.”

“The document,” Kengor continues, “has stood the test of time. I scrutinized it more carefully than anything I’ve ever dealt with as a scholar. I showed the document to numerous authorities who deal with Soviet archival material. No one has debunked the memorandum or shown it to be a forgery. Kennedy’s office did not deny it.”

Why bring all this up now? No evidence exists that Andropov ever acted on the memorandum–within eight months, the Soviet leader would be dead–and now that Kennedy himself has died even many of the former senator’s opponents find themselves grieving. Yet precisely because Kennedy represented such a commanding figure–perhaps the most compelling liberal of our day–we need to consider his record in full.

Doing so, it turns out, requires pondering a document in the archives of the politburo.

When President Reagan chose to confront the Soviet Union, calling it the evil empire that it was, Sen. Edward Kennedy chose to offer aid and comfort to General Secretary Andropov. On the Cold War, the greatest issue of his lifetime, Kennedy got it wrong.

Peter Robinson, a research fellow at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University and a former White House speechwriter, writes a weekly column for Forbes.