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No, I did not miss the part where he said he wouldn't hurt anyone intentionally. Nor did I miss the words "values" and "ethics" in his description.

However, I also seemed to catch the phrases "but she wants it, so it's cool", "I have the person in the palm of my hands", "I would never advise someone I cared about to do the wrong thing", "the advice I give is never harmful", etc., etc.

For one, by definition you cannot "manipulate" someone into doing something they want.

Secondly, am I the only one concerned with someone who thinks that they know what is right for another person and manipulates that person to carry out related decisions?! Even if he does have the incredible gift of knowing what's right for others (an admission that I find both scary and narcissistic), where are the ethics in that?

You bring up a lot of interesting and valid points, unfortunately, I have to go to class, right now.

But I will add more to this later.

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'Cause you can't handle me...

"A lie is a lie even if everyone believes it. The truth is the truth even if nobody believes it." - David Stevens

No one can fault you for being honest. It just sounded awful. Honesty is a respectable quality. We were just honest in our reactions.

Don't get mad because you're so fucked up you drove me away Rogue. I was never cruel to you.

that was cruel. I am not Fucked up. No more than anyone else. My honesty is overly sensitive, just like yours is hard ass. What a horrible thing! Calling me so fucked up I drove you away? I didn't know that! So you decide to tell me in front of the whole place that I'm Fucked up? Thats just mean and hurtful. If your goal was to hurt and humiliate me publicly...well you did just that...you can have the win.

For one, by definition you cannot "manipulate" someone into doing something they want.

Yeah, but you can manipulate someone into doing something that they need to do if they're not able to figure it out for themselves. Thats what counselors are for. And thats how INFJs work. I'm not bragging about it, I never was, which is what I think you're getting from all this. I was just giving my thoughts on the matter.

It isn't my fault I happen to appreciate the traits I have in this regard and consider them a strength.

Secondly, am I the only one concerned with someone who thinks that they know what is right for another person and manipulates that person to carry out related decisions?! Even if he does have the incredible gift of knowing what's right for others (an admission that I find both scary and narcissistic), where are the ethics in that?

Thats the beauty of an INFJ. We can take a third party NT approach and advise them in the best course of action. Our NF allows us to put ourselves in their shoes and understand where they're coming from as well. Because of this, we're able to give sound advice in a caring manner. It makes us very comforting to talk to. And I won't apologize for that. I enjoy that strength, and I enjoy helping people I care about with it.

And when you say that, you're basically saying all real therapists are scary and narcissistic, and thats fucking stupid. People come to me.

The difference between them and me is that counseling people comes naturally for me, and since I never took a Hippocratic oath and I'm not gettiing paid, I technically don't have to help them. But I do anyway.

Is it so wrong that sometimes, I can persuade them in a right course of action that will benefit myself as well?

I think I'm going to throw up. At least I know to steer clear from you. Thanks.

Originally Posted by beyondaurora

I very well may have that talent; however, I choose not to use it. That's the difference.

Originally Posted by Rogue

OMG! I soooo did not think you were like that!

Originally Posted by Rogue

so basically you have to trick people into liking you? then sleeping with you....then you're like "hell with 'em" and get rid of them when you're done. Shocking! I thought you were awesomeness..guess I was fooled!
Explains alot though! Castaway! unbelievable....Why can't you just be yourself and let people like you on their own. Are you just a big Faker?
I am just shocked!

Don't get mad because your crazy antics drove me away Rogue. I was never cruel to you.

Originally Posted by Rogue

that was cruel. I am not Fucked up. No more than anyone else. My honesty is overly sensitive, just like yours is hard ass. What a horrible thing! Calling me so fucked up I drove you away? I didn't know that! So you decide to tell me in front of the whole place that I'm Fucked up? Thats just mean and hurtful. If your goal was to hurt and humiliate me publicly...well you did just that...you can have the win.

Um no one said anything about you being "fucked up", he clearly said "crazy antics". He was not trying to purposefully hurt you, but things like the above do drive people away. Theres no reason for your reaction, and such reactions make people want to avoid you cause they never know when something simple they said will light your fuse.

We know you have your social difficulties but at the same time its you who has to learn to over come them and function in society, not the other way around.