I agree so why the hell are they involved in this business. Why did they hear the cases in the Government Supreme Court or even better why did people file these cases in the Government courts. If I want to bang my kin why is it any of your business. If I want to drive DUI the why is it any of the Governments business. If I want to do anything why is that the Governments business.If I want to murder me next door neighbor why is that any of the Governments business.How ignorant and stupid you are.

<quoted text>I agree so why the hell are they involved in this business. Why did they hear the cases in the Government Supreme Court or even better why did people file these cases in the Government courts. If I want to bang my kin why is it any of your business. If I want to drive DUI the why is it any of the Governments business. If I want to do anything why is that the Governments business.If I want to murder me next door neighbor why is that any of the Governments business.How ignorant and stupid you are.

<quoted text>I am not trying to be argumentative, but I do not understand your first paragraph. I would presume from your last sentence, you are in favor of Obamacare, but your opening statements sound more like an indictment of Obamacare than support for it.

Problem is you don't understand ObamaCare. Just who do you think pays for a person who has no insurance now. The people who have insurance or the cash to pay as they go pay. The hospitals just pass on the cost, nothing is free. If you think people without insurance or the money to pay don't get care now, well think again. If you have no insurance now its going to cost you, and I hope it costs you a lot.

<quoted text>Problem is you don't understand ObamaCare. Just who do you think pays for a person who has no insurance now. The people who have insurance or the cash to pay as they go pay. The hospitals just pass on the cost, nothing is free. If you think people without insurance or the money to pay don't get care now, well think again. If you have no insurance now its going to cost you, and I hope it costs you a lot.

Unfortunately, I understand Obamacare all too well. The bottom line is that expenses will go up, healthcare will be rationed. The government will be determining what care will be "allowed", medical research will be curtailed, insurance companies will eventually go out of business and then we will all be dependent on bureaucrats making decisions instead of being able to make our own healthcare decisions with our doctors. Yippie.

<quoted text>Unfortunately, I understand Obamacare all too well. The bottom line is that expenses will go up, healthcare will be rationed. The government will be determining what care will be "allowed", medical research will be curtailed, insurance companies will eventually go out of business and then we will all be dependent on bureaucrats making decisions instead of being able to make our own healthcare decisions with our doctors. Yippie.

I believe that you believe this. How could you not? That's what's been preached to you non-stop from Faux News and Neal Boortz for as long as you can remember.

<quoted text>I believe that you believe this. How could you not? That's what's been preached to you non-stop from Faux News and Neal Boortz for as long as you can remember.That doesn't make it remotely accurate.

Fascinating how you presume to know my sources. But that is a common response from those who cannot support their positions.

<quoted text>Fascinating how you presume to know my sources. But that is a common response from those who cannot support their positions.

It's easy to know your sources, only a few spout such crap. Its FNC, Rush and all the consertavie talk shows that are getting rich on the backs of people like you who just don't have a clue. Your response was no response, just the same line being said over and over again when you and people like you have nothing to say to support what they want to be true. What exactly did I say that is wrong? You won't find the answer on FOX, it's up to you to think for yourself.

Yeah, if it was for all Americans. Too many exemptions from the health care law.This was about fairness, nothing fair about union members keeping their Cadillac health care plans.Same plan for ALL Americans...this Health Care law is worse than before.

This administration does not have any idea, or plans, for "fairness". They cannot even define the term.

<quoted text>This administration does not have any idea, or plans, for "fairness". They cannot even define the term.

Sure they can ! Fairness to obama is to penalize the risk takers, job creators and hard working Americans and give to the folks who choose to live off the government. Thats how the dems grow their base.

obama has already taken $716 billion from the people who have paid into Medicare to pay for his beloved obamacare. There is nothing free, obama had to steal it from the people paying taxes to get it started.

obama has already taken $716 billion from the people who have paid into Medicare to pay for his beloved obamacare. There is nothing free, obama had to steal it from the people paying taxes to get it started.

Oh My GOD, that has been discussed and disproven SO many times it's ridiculous.

AGAIN!! There is no loss to benefits, there is no substantial change to recipients, a savings was achieved by better oversight of providers, and the funds shifted. NO CHANGE TO RECIPIENTS! It's just better oversight.

How many times can you spread the same misinformation, that YOU ARE WELL AWARE OF>? And why would you do it? It's simply not responsible- it's like kids pretending to talk politics who simply don't understand.

You've budgeted $40.00 in your lawn-care budget for gas for your mower, based on your gas provider sending you a bill for $4.00 a gallon. However! Gas is only $3.50 a gallon - so you told your gas provider to charge you the right amount. Now your bill is $35.00.

You've taken your $5.00 savings and moved it over to weed-whacker string.

Here's an example:You've budgeted $40.00 in your lawn-care budget for gas for your mower, based on your gas provider sending you a bill for $4.00 a gallon. However! Gas is only $3.50 a gallon - so you told your gas provider to charge you the right amount. Now your bill is $35.00.You've taken your $5.00 savings and moved it over to weed-whacker string.Your lawn-budget hasn't changed, but you're getting more for your money now. Your fence-line looks better, you're not spending more, everybody is happy.Republicans and their misinformation. They just love that stuff.

There are a few little problems with your example. First and most obvious, your example depends on known and accurate projected costs, that makes it very neat. However, the cuts to Medicare that Obama's program depends on are simply referred to as a $716 billion cut in reimbursements to providers (hospitals). Those are explained as reductions in spending as providers are forced to be more "efficient." Isn't it wonderful when a bureaucrat can wave their magic wand and proclaim that providers will suddenly be more efficient - when that bureaucrat has no clue what a hospital's costs are or even if they are "inefficient" in the first place. But that is what the govt consistently does, they cut reimbursements with no actual foundation for the cut - it is simply by fiat.Richard Foster, Medicare's chief actuary, has stated that the reimbursement cuts may be "unrealistic" and that providers "could find it difficult to remain profitable and ...might end their participation in the program - possibly jeopardizing access to care for beneficiaries."

And there is that pesky little side note that Obama projected the ACA to cost "just" $900 billion, when the last estimate is now 2.6 trillion.

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