The RIchest Man in Babylon:Good, if the signup is causing people problems, extend the deadline the length of time the signup was broken. I bet the Republicans will be thrilled with this news. Right guys? Right?

DemonEater:The RIchest Man in Babylon: Good, if the signup is causing people problems, extend the deadline the length of time the signup was broken. I bet the Republicans will be thrilled with this news. Right guys? Right?

Wait a minute, so Obama can change the law at will, but if anyone else wants to change it it's terrorism?http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/28/21213547-obama-adm i n-knew-millions-could-not-keep-their-health-insurance?lite

Throwing away unfetchable URL http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/28/21213547-obama-adm i n-knew-millions-could-not-keep-their-health-insurance%3Flite: Really fark? Screw you, the link is good, fix it in your browser and take a look.

So, the right wing talking heads are saying this is what the shutdown was all about and now it's proof that Obama was the one who wanted the government shut down. They seem to forget about the call to defund the ACA. Think I'm kidding, give them a listen.

ArmednHammered:Wait a minute, so Obama can change the law at will, but if anyone else wants to change it it's terrorism?http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/28/21213547-obama-adm i n-knew-millions-could-not-keep-their-health-insurance?lite

Throwing away unfetchable URL http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/28/21213547-obama-adm i n-knew-millions-could-not-keep-their-health-insurance%3Flite: Really fark? Screw you, the link is good, fix it in your browser and take a look.

ArmednHammered:Wait a minute, so Obama can change the law at will, but if anyone else wants to change it it's terrorism?http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/28/21213547-obama-adm i n-knew-millions-could-not-keep-their-health-insurance?lite

Throwing away unfetchable URL http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/28/21213547-obama-adm i n-knew-millions-could-not-keep-their-health-insurance%3Flite: Really fark? Screw you, the link is good, fix it in your browser and take a look.

So catastrophic plans that offered no real coverage are being phased out. What exactly is the problem here?

demaL-demaL-yeH:ArmednHammered: Wait a minute, so Obama can change the law at will, but if anyone else wants to change it it's terrorism?http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/28/21213547-obama-adm i n-knew-millions-could-not-keep-their-health-insurance?lite

Throwing away unfetchable URL http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/28/21213547-obama-adm i n-knew-millions-could-not-keep-their-health-insurance%3Flite: Really fark? Screw you, the link is good, fix it in your browser and take a look.

Because the assholes in charge of 26 states went full derple straightjacket and turned down the federal money to insure 5.2 million Americans.Or were you talking about the idiots who were grossly underinsured biatching about the price of minimum coverage?

ArmednHammered:Wait a minute, so Obama can change the law at will, but if anyone else wants to change it it's terrorism?

The President often has wide latitude in a law's implementation details. Congress did not pass a law that says "You must do these exact things at these exact times, or Sarah Palin is automatically the President."

Fart_Machine:ArmednHammered: Wait a minute, so Obama can change the law at will, but if anyone else wants to change it it's terrorism?http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/28/21213547-obama-adm i n-knew-millions-could-not-keep-their-health-insurance?lite

Throwing away unfetchable URL http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/28/21213547-obama-adm i n-knew-millions-could-not-keep-their-health-insurance%3Flite: Really fark? Screw you, the link is good, fix it in your browser and take a look.

So catastrophic plans that offered no real coverage are being phased out. What exactly is the problem here?

A lot of the plans, including mine, were fine and offered coverage that was right for me. Now I have to pay hundreds more to meet the 'minimum', which shock and surprise, isn't that much better.

demaL-demaL-yeH:ArmednHammered: Wait a minute, so Obama can change the law at will, but if anyone else wants to change it it's terrorism?http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/28/21213547-obama-adm i n-knew-millions-could-not-keep-their-health-insurance?lite

Throwing away unfetchable URL http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/28/21213547-obama-adm i n-knew-millions-could-not-keep-their-health-insurance%3Flite: Really fark? Screw you, the link is good, fix it in your browser and take a look.

Because the assholes in charge of 26 states went full derple straightjacket and turned down the federal money to insure 5.2 million Americans.Or were you talking about the idiots who were grossly underinsured biatching about the price of minimum coverage?

I don't see any of that in the story I linked. I see people who had good plans getting farked by having to pay 3x or more for coverage under the ACA. I had a good plan, it's taken care of me for 20 years and now I'm going to lose it thanks to the ACA because my insurance company is bailing out of the state. What part of that don't you understand farkwad?

ArmednHammered:demaL-demaL-yeH: ArmednHammered: Wait a minute, so Obama can change the law at will, but if anyone else wants to change it it's terrorism?http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/28/21213547-obama-adm i n-knew-millions-could-not-keep-their-health-insurance?lite

Throwing away unfetchable URL http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/28/21213547-obama-adm i n-knew-millions-could-not-keep-their-health-insurance%3Flite: Really fark? Screw you, the link is good, fix it in your browser and take a look.

Because the assholes in charge of 26 states went full derple straightjacket and turned down the federal money to insure 5.2 million Americans.Or were you talking about the idiots who were grossly underinsured biatching about the price of minimum coverage?

I don't see any of that in the story I linked. I see people who had good plans getting farked by having to pay 3x or more for coverage under the ACA. I had a good plan, it's taken care of me for 20 years and now I'm going to lose it thanks to the ACA because my insurance company is bailing out of the state. What part of that don't you understand farkwad?

Unless they know of an ACA-free state, your insurance company is lying to you,

Harry_Seldon:ArmednHammered: Wait a minute, so Obama can change the law at will, but if anyone else wants to change it it's terrorism?

The President often has wide latitude in a law's implementation details. Congress did not pass a law that says "You must do these exact things at these exact times, or Sarah Palin is automatically the President."

No he doesn't, the Congress makes the laws and the Senate either signs off on them and sends them to the President or sends them back to Congress for revision. The President can't just make arbitrary changes and call it good without the approval of the Congress and the Senate.

Notabunny:ArmednHammered: demaL-demaL-yeH: ArmednHammered: Wait a minute, so Obama can change the law at will, but if anyone else wants to change it it's terrorism?http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/28/21213547-obama-adm i n-knew-millions-could-not-keep-their-health-insurance?lite

Throwing away unfetchable URL http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/28/21213547-obama-adm i n-knew-millions-could-not-keep-their-health-insurance%3Flite: Really fark? Screw you, the link is good, fix it in your browser and take a look.

Because the assholes in charge of 26 states went full derple straightjacket and turned down the federal money to insure 5.2 million Americans.Or were you talking about the idiots who were grossly underinsured biatching about the price of minimum coverage?

I don't see any of that in the story I linked. I see people who had good plans getting farked by having to pay 3x or more for coverage under the ACA. I had a good plan, it's taken care of me for 20 years and now I'm going to lose it thanks to the ACA because my insurance company is bailing out of the state. What part of that don't you understand farkwad?

Unless they know of an ACA-free state, your insurance company is lying to you,

Tell that to the 500,000 people in California that just lost their insurance.

This law is like using one of your 3 wishes to make infinite wishes. Obama gets to rewrite this law on the fly. Amazing. It has deadlines set by law, but Obama can arbitrarily change the deadlines as he pleases. It has requirements that ALL Americans must must be forced to buy Insurance through the Obamacare exchanges, but Obama gets to make exemptions to that rule for whoever he pleases (including himself, his buddies in congress, unions, big corporations, etc).

Why not skip the pretense of the 2000+ pages of the original law and just write: "This is a law. Obama can change whatever the law says whenever he wants. Oh - and you can't call it tyranny". ; )

vatica40:A lot of the plans, including mine, were fine and offered coverage that was right for me. Now I have to pay hundreds more to meet the 'minimum', which shock and surprise, isn't that much better.

garron:This law is like using one of your 3 wishes to make infinite wishes. Obama gets to rewrite this law on the fly. Amazing. It has deadlines set by law, but Obama can arbitrarily change the deadlines as he pleases. It has requirements that ALL Americans must must be forced to buy Insurance through the Obamacare exchanges, but Obama gets to make exemptions to that rule for whoever he pleases (including himself, his buddies in congress, unions, big corporations, etc).

Why not skip the pretense of the 2000+ pages of the original law and just write: "This is a law. Obama can change whatever the law says whenever he wants. Oh - and you can't call it tyranny". ; )

ArmednHammered:Harry_Seldon: ArmednHammered: Wait a minute, so Obama can change the law at will, but if anyone else wants to change it it's terrorism?

The President often has wide latitude in a law's implementation details. Congress did not pass a law that says "You must do these exact things at these exact times, or Sarah Palin is automatically the President."

No he doesn't, the Congress makes the laws and the Senate either signs off on them and sends them to the President or sends them back to Congress for revision. The President can't just make arbitrary changes and call it good without the approval of the Congress and the Senate.

Congress passes a great deal of legislation that is mostly a framework for the law, and the executive branch creates the regulations for implementation. Dodd-Frank is an excellent example.

There is a variety of reasons for this practice, but an important part is to not take responsibility for decisions.

ArmednHammered:Notabunny: ArmednHammered: demaL-demaL-yeH: ArmednHammered: Wait a minute, so Obama can change the law at will, but if anyone else wants to change it it's terrorism?http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/28/21213547-obama-adm i n-knew-millions-could-not-keep-their-health-insurance?lite

Throwing away unfetchable URL http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/28/21213547-obama-adm i n-knew-millions-could-not-keep-their-health-insurance%3Flite: Really fark? Screw you, the link is good, fix it in your browser and take a look.

Because the assholes in charge of 26 states went full derple straightjacket and turned down the federal money to insure 5.2 million Americans.Or were you talking about the idiots who were grossly underinsured biatching about the price of minimum coverage?

I don't see any of that in the story I linked. I see people who had good plans getting farked by having to pay 3x or more for coverage under the ACA. I had a good plan, it's taken care of me for 20 years and now I'm going to lose it thanks to the ACA because my insurance company is bailing out of the state. What part of that don't you understand farkwad?

Unless they know of an ACA-free state, your insurance company is lying to you,

Tell that to the 500,000 people in California that just lost their insurance.

You may have lost your policy, but it wasn't because the ACA forced your insurance company to leave your state.

garron:This law is like using one of your 3 wishes to make infinite wishes. Obama gets to rewrite this law on the fly. Amazing. It has deadlines set by law, but Obama can arbitrarily change the deadlines as he pleases. It has requirements that ALL Americans must must be forced to buy Insurance through the Obamacare exchanges, but Obama gets to make exemptions to that rule for whoever he pleases (including himself, his buddies in congress, unions, big corporations, etc).

Why not skip the pretense of the 2000+ pages of the original law and just write: "This is a law. Obama can change whatever the law says whenever he wants. Oh - and you can't call it tyranny". ; )

Do you really think Congress creates the myriad of regulations necessary to implement many laws? It doesn't work like this, no matter what ABC told you...

Fart_Machine:ArmednHammered: Wait a minute, so Obama can change the law at will, but if anyone else wants to change it it's terrorism?http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/28/21213547-obama-adm i n-knew-millions-could-not-keep-their-health-insurance?lite

Throwing away unfetchable URL http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/28/21213547-obama-adm i n-knew-millions-could-not-keep-their-health-insurance%3Flite: Really fark? Screw you, the link is good, fix it in your browser and take a look.

So catastrophic plans that offered no real coverage are being phased out. What exactly is the problem here?

Gyrfalcon:Fart_Machine: ArmednHammered: Wait a minute, so Obama can change the law at will, but if anyone else wants to change it it's terrorism?http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/28/21213547-obama-adm i n-knew-millions-could-not-keep-their-health-insurance?lite

Throwing away unfetchable URL http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/28/21213547-obama-adm i n-knew-millions-could-not-keep-their-health-insurance%3Flite: Really fark? Screw you, the link is good, fix it in your browser and take a look.

So catastrophic plans that offered no real coverage are being phased out. What exactly is the problem here?

IT'S SOSHULIZM THAT'S WHAT!!!

Go ahead and keep on thinking that. When NBC starts biatching, it's time to take a look. My plan wasn't a catastrophic plan by any stretch, it was what my company offered. And I've been on the internet since it was 300 baud bbs's.

ArmednHammered:I don't see any of that in the story I linked. I see people who had good plans getting farked by having to pay 3x or more for coverage under the ACA. I had a good plan, it's taken care of me for 20 years and now I'm going to lose it thanks to the ACA because my insurance company is bailing out of the state. What part of that don't you understand farkwad?

As a matter of fact, I don't understand farkwad. Try using plain ol' 'Mercan in the future.

Your insurance company is bailing out of your state. Let's see.UnitedHealthcare said:"Our individual business in California has always been relatively small and we currently serve less than 8,000 individual customers across the state," the company said in a statement. "Over the years, it has become more difficult to administer these plans in a cost-effective way for our members in California."Aetna:"Aetna says it has about 58,000 individual enrollees in the state and expects to have about 49,000 by the end of the year. It plans to withdraw from the state at the end of the year but will continue to offer small and large group plans, as well as Medicare, dental and life insurance products."

Here's what you couldn't see in the article you failed to iink:"Four sources deeply involved in the Affordable Care Act tell NBC NEWS that 50 to 75 percent of the 14 million consumers who buy their insurance individually can expect to receive a "cancellation" letter or the equivalent over the next year because their existing policies don't meet the standards mandated by the new health care law. One expert predicts that number could reach as high as 80 percent. And all say that many of those forced to buy pricier new policies will experience "sticker shock.""

When you have adequate insurance, maybe you could have your eyes checked.

And all we have is your bare assertion that your coverage met the federal minimums. (We won't even talk about the fact that California runs its own state exchange.)

/Also won't discuss how profit caps might have affected a decision affecting a total of 60,000 people out of 38 million in the state.

ArmednHammered:timujin: garron: It has requirements that ALL Americans must must be forced to buy Insurance through the Obamacare exchanges,

Really? I'm not getting my healthcare insurance through an exchange. Weird that, I had no idea Obama made exceptions just for little ol' me.

Really? There are lots of exemptions. http://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/obamacare-exemptions-individual - mandate-98297.html

Yes, I know there are lots of exemptions, I was countering garron's assertion that "ALL Americans must must be forced to buy Insurance through the Obamacare exchanges" except for Obama's besties. You aren't required to go through the exchange, you're simply required to have insurance. You can still shop for insurance directly from a provider, if that's what floats your boat. You can go through an insurance co-op, like many of my coworkers who are 10-99 contractors have done.

"The main reason insurers offer is that the policies fall short of what the Affordable Care Act requires starting Jan. 1.[...]By all accounts, the new policies will offer consumers better coverage, in some cases, for comparable cost -- especially after the inclusion of federal subsidies for those who qualify."

demaL-demaL-yeH:ArmednHammered: I don't see any of that in the story I linked. I see people who had good plans getting farked by having to pay 3x or more for coverage under the ACA. I had a good plan, it's taken care of me for 20 years and now I'm going to lose it thanks to the ACA because my insurance company is bailing out of the state. What part of that don't you understand farkwad?

As a matter of fact, I don't understand farkwad. Try using plain ol' 'Mercan in the future.

Your insurance company is bailing out of your state. Let's see.UnitedHealthcare said:"Our individual business in California has always been relatively small and we currently serve less than 8,000 individual customers across the state," the company said in a statement. "Over the years, it has become more difficult to administer these plans in a cost-effective way for our members in California."Aetna:"Aetna says it has about 58,000 individual enrollees in the state and expects to have about 49,000 by the end of the year. It plans to withdraw from the state at the end of the year but will continue to offer small and large group plans, as well as Medicare, dental and life insurance products."

Here's what you couldn't see in the article you failed to iink:"Four sources deeply involved in the Affordable Care Act tell NBC NEWS that 50 to 714 million consumers who buy their insurance individually can expect to receive a "cancellation" letter5 percent of the or the equivalent over the next year because their existing policies don't meet the standards mandated by the new health care law. One expert predicts that number could reach as high as 80 percent. And all say that many of those forced to buy pricier new policies will experience "sticker shock.""

When you have adequate insurance, maybe you could have your eyes checked.

And all we have is your bare assertion that your coverage met the federal minimums. (We won't even talk about the fact that California runs its own state exchange.)

/Also won't discuss ho ...

The standards are bullshiat for most people, my plan was a fortune 500 corporate plan and it was just fine for the last 20 farking years. Nothing in the ACA would improve on the plan I had. It had nothing to do with the California exchange, I'm a Federal contractor. What you fail to see is the fact that we are losing our coverage as a direct result of the ACA.

StopLurkListen:ArmednHammered: Tell that to the 500,000 people in California that just lost their insurance.

Before I go all "you're a moron" I have to do due diligence and look up any news relating to "California", "lost", and "insurance".

And here we go:Thousands Of Consumers Get Insurance Cancellation Notices Due To Health Law Changes

"The main reason insurers offer is that the policies fall short of what the Affordable Care Act requires starting Jan. 1.[...]By all accounts, the new policies will offer consumers better coverage, in some cases, for comparable cost -- especially after the inclusion of federal subsidies for those who qualify."

StopLurkListen:especially after the inclusion of federal subsidies for those who qualify."

That's a huge factor that seems to be swept under by those either ignorant or with an agenda. I live in California and the exchange rate under Kaiser for a comparable policy to what I have now is actually about a hundred dollars cheaper after the subsidy. Not really a huge difference but it's hardly Herp Derp 140% Higher Premiums that Forbes was screaming about.

timujin:ArmednHammered: timujin: garron: It has requirements that ALL Americans must must be forced to buy Insurance through the Obamacare exchanges,

Really? I'm not getting my healthcare insurance through an exchange. Weird that, I had no idea Obama made exceptions just for little ol' me.

Really? There are lots of exemptions. http://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/obamacare-exemptions-individual - mandate-98297.html

Yes, I know there are lots of exemptions, I was countering garron's assertion that "ALL Americans must must be forced to buy Insurance through the Obamacare exchanges" except for Obama's besties. You aren't required to go through the exchange, you're simply required to have insurance. You can still shop for insurance directly from a provider, if that's what floats your boat. You can go through an insurance co-op, like many of my coworkers who are 10-99 contractors have done.

Sorry about that, the morans are getting a bit overwhelming.No harm, no foul?

garron:It has requirements that ALL Americans must must be forced to buy Insurance through the Obamacare exchanges, but Obama gets to make exemptions to that rule for whoever he pleases (including himself, his buddies in congress, unions, big corporations, etc).

There are two kinds of ignorance in the world...

One is plain ignorance and the other is willful ignorance. Plain ignorance can be forgiven. We cannot expect everyone to be exposed to accurate information all of the time. Willful ignorance is not as easily forgivable. The reason that willful ignorance is so hard to forgive is because it means that you have been exposed to accurate information and have made the choice to ignore, dismiss, or simply pretend that you were never exposed to that accurate information in the first place.

So my question to you is; were you ignorant, or willfully ignorant when you typed out that load of bullshiat?