> Hi Howard
>
>
> >---------------------------------------------------
> >Howard:
> > Read the sutta, Ken. It is crystal clear - it speaks for
> itself. (Go "argue" with the Buddha, not with me! ;-)
> >----------------------------------------------------
>
> k: If Buddha is here, we will have not discussed anything at all, we
> just ask him, make life easier for everyone :). Gosh sometimes I wish
> he was here. Yes it is clear but luminious is the mind if
> interpreted by non-commentarial input will mean there is an
> underlying pure mind. If you think otherwise, pse kindly comment.
> Will you think Buddha, will make such a position, if we interpolate
> with many other suttas where he keep insisting on impermanence and
> anatta.
>
> kind regards
> Ken O
>

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If the defilements were intrinsic to the mind, release would be
impossible. If the chalk were not covering the blackboard, but were part of the
blackboard, there would be no cleaning off of the chalk. If the dust were not just
resting upon the surface of the glass, but were an essential part of it,
there would be no cleaning of the mirror. The defilements are not intrinsic to the
mind, and that is why the mind is luminous, both in the arahant and in the
worldling - and that is why the task of liberation is not hopeless.
When one doesn't accept the clear and plain meaning of a sutta, but
looks for obscure interpretations, that generally suggests an inclination to
justify one's preferences, a tendency we all have.

With metta,
Howard

With metta,
Howard

/Thus is how ye shall see all this fleeting world: A star at dawn, a bubble
in a stream, a flash of lightning in a summer cloud, a flickering lamp, a
phantom, and a dream./ (From the Diamond Sutra)

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Hi, Robert - In a message dated 8/9/04 1:10:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ... Howard: I think that is a great idea. This seems to be a sutta of great depth and

> Dear Howard,
> What amazes me about the sutta -- which I am grateful came up in this
> discussion -- is the penetration and detail of the Buddha's
> understanding. Without turning consciousness into an object, he shows
> how to maintain equanimity and avoid attachment. I have copied the
> sutta into my database for further study.
>

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Howard:
I think that is a great idea. This seems to be a sutta of great depth
and subtlety, and well worth further study!
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>
> Best,
> Robert Ep.

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With metta,
Howard

/Thus is how ye shall see all this fleeting world: A star at dawn, a bubble
in a stream, a flash of lightning in a summer cloud, a flickering lamp, a
phantom, and a dream./ (From the Diamond Sutra)

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