Posted 2 years ago on Feb. 14, 2013, 2:26 a.m. EST by jrhirsch
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The recent death of alleged killer Christopher Dorner inside a burning cabin has raised questions about whether the former LAPD police officer was intentionally killed with the use of incendiary tear gas canisters. On audio from police scanners, officers can be heard using words like "burners", a slang term used for tear gas,and "We're gonna go forward with the plan with the burner."

Even though under most circumstances the police department does a commendable job, we can't overlook the crimes it's members commit as they too step over the thin blue line into criminal behavior, even when it involves the most heinous of fugitives.

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There's a lot of Monday morning quarterbacking going on here. So, all you folks that think they fucked up -- what would you have done differently? After he went nuts, what would you have done that would have saved the day?

It was the same tactic used on the Davidian compound at Waco as approved by Janet Reno. Same old. Same old legal precedent. Every law enforcement officer wanted to get back as quickly as possible by any and all means to life as usual. I wonder if the tear gas canisters now contain shaved magnesium because it worked so fast. I sure want to have some of the tear gas canister technology to start a camp fire on a rainy camping trip. The Waco incident eventually triggered Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols to bomb and collapse much of the federal building in Oklahoma City. These are just domestic "non-suspect" terrorism, not really intentional as having already been promulgated by the LAPD.

Should you shoot at them to begin with? They are hired to do a job. Not hired to die. If I was a betting woman, I would lay my money on every officer that was out there knew that if Dorner had a shot then he would take it and that the very best that could be hoped for is that they found him before he found them.

Every officer hired is well aware of the risks involved. They stand on the thin blue line between decency and criminality. Dorner crossed that line, but so did the police who threw the tear gas canisters into the cabin. Burning out suspects should never be an option, no matter how heinous the crime. Once we sink to the same level as criminals, is there difference between us and them?

You are attempting to make him a martyr. He is not. That man was going to keep on killing until he died. It was premeditated. He knew what he was doing and he knew what the consequences were going to be.

Send all of the hot headed trigger happy cops home and wait him out. Cut all of the utilities to the house. Start dialogue between Dorner and his friends and family. Fatigue and lack of water will have him incapacitated in a few days.

The previous video shows how the police will resort to knocking down a house to get a suspect that has harmed one of their own, but not do the same for an average citizen. We can't have two separate standards for police pursuits. One for the regular people and one for the police. When an officer is shot there's a temporary loss of morality on part of the police who step over the line into criminal behavior. Knocking down someone's house is one step over, burning a house down with a person inside is many steps over. Some would call it murder.

The previous video shows how the police will resort to knocking down a house to get a suspect that has harmed one of their own, but not do the same for an average citizen. We can't have two separate standards for police pursuits. One for the regular people and one for the police.

But, if they knocked down buildings for people like you and me then it would be dandy. K.....

When an officer is shot there's a temporary loss of morality on part of the police who step over the line into criminal behavior. Knocking down someone's house is one step over, burning a house down with a person inside is many steps over. Some would call it murder.

But, It isn't murder or attempted murder if an officer is shot. I find this interesting. It's a damn good thing that I'm not a cop. I could see that as a very short career.

I can become enraged with the video that I showed you. In fact, there are 150 things that I can become enraged about. Intentionally, willfully and consciously inflict or attempt to inflict harm to an officer and I have zero sympathy. None.

An us versus them mentality is textbook. I understand that most people think that laws apply to everyone else but not to them. I understand that cops don't meet people at their very best. No cop has ever followed me for five miles to congratulate me on my excellent use of turn signals. Ever. As an aside, it's almost a bummer because I am rather anal retentive about that.

Lemme tell you what I don't understand. It is the desire that some folks have to consistently make the cops the enemy in any and all circumstances. Especially when the arguments provided are coming from those minds that are normally engaged in well thought out and thorough discussions.The only way that this would make sense is if those someone's stand to benefit in some way from maintaining that division. I can think of two reasons, right off the bat, that some would benefit.

"But, if they knocked down buildings for people like you and me then it would be dandy. K....."

No, they shouldn't expend any more resources or extra effort when a policeman is killed or wounded than a regular person.

"But, It isn't murder or attempted murder if an officer is shot."

Of course that's murder also. Dorner is a murderer according to the evidence I've seen. I'm not defending Dorner's actions in the least. The focus of this post is the police's brutal response, intentionally setting a house on fire with a person inside.

"Lemme tell you what I don't understand. It is the desire that some folks have to consistently make the cops the enemy in any and all circumstances."

This post concerns one police action only. I'm pro police, pro Occupy, pro free enterprise, and pro democracy, but when members from either group steps over the line, that support stops concerning those actions and condemnation begins.

You are trying to create an issue where none exists.This is called arm chair quarterbacking. I was scanning the headlines the other day and there was an article (No lie!) that had someone that lived in the vicinity commenting how the police had been searching for him and he was right there the whole time. The implication is that the police weren't doing their jobs. It doesn't matter what they would have done or not done---they are still wrong.

There is no way in hell that I could look at these events, from the moment that Dorner fired the gun, and say that the police were wrong or committed murder or were temporarily given over to some type of criminal conduct or responded in a "brutal way". No way.

The only thing that this has accomplished is that if Dorner had a legitimate complaint then nobody is listening now. That goal is now lost.
I think that it is time that people begin to seriously reconsider goals. That said, I have nothing further to add to this conversation. I can see right now that I will be unmovable on this issue.

The issue of whether it is just to set a house on fire to extract a suspect does exist. To me and many others this crosses the line of morality. Others say any means necessary should be used, including setting a house on fire. In my eyes burning a person alive is the most vicious and cruel death possible and is not the kind of society that should be allowed to exist.

He certainly is a martyr. A martyr to the idea that people should be treated with respect, fairly and honestly. Yes he had his own demons, but it was the nazified gangstyle LAPD that drove him over the edge.

Those addicted to power, think power is all, they think justice, consideration and fairness are jokes.

Another Black Man that ends his life unfulfilled "wasted talent" because he was angry with society and how he was treated, so to correct his claimed injustice he kills innocent people and writes a "Dear Abby" letter as if America cares about your story. You were a dead man walking after your first act of crime and all your possible valid points thrown out the window because now a seemingly educated, ex military, ex Police turned vigilante car jacker has been put out of his misery by his own hands. What kind of support did you expect, did you think Black America would bare arms and support you or protest in your favor, no! All you did was make it a more stressful atmosphere for young Black Males and old for that matter. You waited four years for this out come, this was your plan, to run and hide to the hills and be cornered like a rat in a trap? You should have used all that talent to organize, again a severe waste of talent, but next and hopefully not ever again some other unstable human will try and perfect your feeble attempt to justify the wrong doing unto them. Nobody beside the innocent victims family will remember you or the purpose of that manifest or should I say suicide letter. Fortunately for society and unfortunately for your family, your a statistic now. "Every rat has more than one hole, unless its on fire" Societal Peace for now because another "Black is History"

Of course they did. Of course that just proved they really are thug killer kops, addicted to power not justice. Just as his firing proved. Can't have anyone fighting the man, now, can they?

It seems he originally believed in justice as the police mission. Being fired for a truthful complaint (the mentally ill homeless young man had a police boot print on his face, told his father the cops had kicked him, etc.) obviously was a rude wake up.

Unfortunately he slid into insanity. A proud, decent man driven over the edge. Insane but not a mad dog, he didn't kill his discoverers or the owners of the vehicles he hijacked -- it wasn't in him, even though it would have bought him time.

I sense a John Brown moment in time. An example of courage, insanity and ultimate failure (which Dorner knew was in the cards, though John Brown didn't) which inspired/may inspire others.

From the comments across Yahoo, AOL and everywhere else I've looked, it's apparent that the American people have turned against the cops. House slaves are always hated. The police made their choice when they obeyed orders to close down Occupy -- unAmerican, unPatriotic, anti-American values, anti the Constitution.

The promise of massa to the house negros is always: 'betray your people, betray your family, but we promise you that you will be viewed with the same respect that is given to us, the slave masters, you will practically be one of us.' It's a bad bargain, even for worms who side with power.

At the Union Square demonstration immediately after the eviction, I told the officers in the line I had to cross to get into the park, that they had just made a huge mistake in clearing Zuccotti. The American people have turned against them.

Amen it is true and all is well. This brother is fine with what takes to better place and not to be associated with the likes of these. He may have had the true heart and good intentions of what it used to be about to be peace officer. Condolences to those he left behind. You should give a shit ditto on your riddance.