The Browns did not get much out of that deal either. Alex Mack is a good player, but they got Mohamed Massaquoi, Kenyon Coleman, Brett Ratliff, and Abram Elam were the others and none of those really panned out.

Detroit dodged a bullet that year. After Matt Stafford the next 4 picks were Jason Smith, Tyson Jackson, Aaron Curry and Sanchez while DHB, Aaron Maybin and Knowshon Moreno were also Top 12 picks. And that was back when the top rookies were paid stupid $$$ which only compounded any mistakes. At least the Browns got a good player on a sensible contract which is more than a lot of teams can say that year.

I think the butt fumble was the end of him. Only reason I don't feel for Mark is the 40 something million he's made from the Jets

The butt fumble is the greatest play of all-time.

There's certainly no feeling bad for him from a personal standpoint. The guy bangs underage girls and makes bank. But I think he could have had a good bit of success if they'd traded him rather than extend his contract.

There's certainly no feeling bad for him from a personal standpoint. The guy bangs underage girls and makes bank. But I think he could have had a good bit of success if they'd traded him rather than extend his contract.

If the butt fumble would have happened in a Super Bowl, it would have been on top 10 lists forever. It will probably be forgotten in a few years.

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Mark Sanchez would be the #1 QB in this draft. He's head and shoulders above Barkley, or any of these other guys, as a prospect.

It's too bad he hasn't worked out. I'd still like to see him get a fresh start with with someone like Norv Turner working with him.

Sanchez is a very unique case. He's not simply a "bust." A lot happened during his career that has led to where he is now. And a lot around him that probably wasn't his fault.

My philosophy is that good QBs transcend other team problems, but the Jets really messed with his growth.

And Carroll may have been right - maybe he did leave to early. His development may have been different had he stayed in college for another year. And it definitely would have been way different if he were drafted to another team.

He had success very early in his career. I don't think he dealt with it wrong, but I think it skewed his growth as a player.

And again, the Jets really ****** him.

Their head coach didn't focus on offense. He had bad coordinators and coaches. They kept taking away his favorite receivers inexplicably. Braylon was his best guy and it took them 2+ years to realize to sign him back - and they could've gotten him for cheap! They got rid of Cotchery who was the best leader they had. They didn't replenish the running game after LT left. They made Santonio freaking Holmes captain. They allowed him to trot out their with the worst supporting cast in the NFL. He accounted for 32 TDs two years ago with no running game and a receiving corps that couldn't get any separation (I'm going to laugh at whatever team signs Keller to a decent contract).

He deserves blame for completely regressing this season, and he has always had flaws as a player but it's hard not to consider how bad they messed him up.

Like I said earlier, he's a year removed from a 32 TD season with no supporting cast. His turnovers have always been an issue in the reg. season.

But there were flashes of brilliance during those playoff runs. His best game was probably the Pittsburgh loss when Ben hit Sanders on the third down to seal it. Sanchez was so hot if that didn't happen he may have drove them down for another score and sent them to the SB. It's crazy to think that a guy who is now viewed as a JOKE of a player was not afforded an opportunity to complete a defining drive to go to the damn SB.

To move up from the bottom of the first into the top 5 for what they did was shear and utter rape. If they had taken a good player with that pick, people would have been talking about it as one of the best trades of all time. The browns got virtually nothing for their pick.

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I was gone for 2 months doing things I can't talk about. It might happen again, but that's just the nature of what I do and who I am.

Sanchez is a very unique case. He's not simply a "bust." A lot happened during his career that has led to where he is now. And a lot around him that probably wasn't his fault.

My philosophy is that good QBs transcend other team problems, but the Jets really messed with his growth.

And Carroll may have been right - maybe he did leave to early. His development may have been different had he stayed in college for another year. And it definitely would have been way different if he were drafted to another team.

He had success very early in his career. I don't think he dealt with it wrong, but I think it skewed his growth as a player.

And again, the Jets really ****** him.

Their head coach didn't focus on offense. He had bad coordinators and coaches. They kept taking away his favorite receivers inexplicably. Braylon was his best guy and it took them 2+ years to realize to sign him back - and they could've gotten him for cheap! They got rid of Cotchery who was the best leader they had. They didn't replenish the running game after LT left. They made Santonio freaking Holmes captain. They allowed him to trot out their with the worst supporting cast in the NFL. He accounted for 32 TDs two years ago with no running game and a receiving corps that couldn't get any separation (I'm going to laugh at whatever team signs Keller to a decent contract).

He deserves blame for completely regressing this season, and he has always had flaws as a player but it's hard not to consider how bad they messed him up.

Like I said earlier, he's a year removed from a 32 TD season with no supporting cast. His turnovers have always been an issue in the reg. season.

But there were flashes of brilliance during those playoff runs. His best game was probably the Pittsburgh loss when Ben hit Sanders on the third down to seal it. Sanchez was so hot if that didn't happen he may have drove them down for another score and sent them to the SB. It's crazy to think that a guy who is now viewed as a JOKE of a player was not afforded an opportunity to complete a defining drive to go to the damn SB.

To move up from the bottom of the first into the top 5 for what they did was shear and utter rape. If they had taken a good player with that pick, people would have been talking about it as one of the best trades of all time. The browns got virtually nothing for their pick.

Okay so it was one sided to an extent, but you don't call pick pocketing two dollars a heist.