My Concerns About Barack Obama's Term 2.0

Badstang08:All votes are equal except those on both sides voting based on skin color. The young college vote also seems to be uniformed and brainwashed. Fraud and illegals voting disenfranchises my vote.

Democracy, my dear boy, aint perfect. Didnt you learn from Socrates and Platos teachings.Problem is that pure Democracy doesnt work either as nothing gets done. I think it was Plato who said that women and uneducated people shouldnt vote for the exact reasons you mentioned. Women because they tended to the household...Problem is that in essence, Democracy is the voice of ALL people. Including those housewives. So we got to take the good with the bad. It all balances out anyway as there were people voting for Obama because he is Black just as there was people NOT voting for Obama because he is black.

Badstang08:All votes are equal except those on both sides voting based on skin color. The young college vote also seems to be uniformed and brainwashed. Fraud and illegals voting disenfranchises my vote.

The bottom like is people voted who they wanted to vote for, if you're aware of fraud and illegals voting, please do us all a favor and report it.

Badstang08:All votes are equal except those on both sides voting based on skin color. The young college vote also seems to be uniformed and brainwashed. Fraud and illegals voting disenfranchises my vote.

Zoomin:The bottom like is people voted who they wanted to vote for, if you're aware of fraud and illegals voting, please do us all a favor and report it.

I didnt think of that. Good point Zoom. But I guess that too is unAmerican: to "rat" on others.Or maybe it IS American to uphold the law. I dont know anymore as I am confused with all that liberal/conservative talk.

-Welfare and Food stamps: No where have I seen these two programs being a large financial problem and the the increases were from millions losing their jobs 4 years ago.-Immigration: This one is too hot of a topic right now and the president may not get to it until around this time next year.-Fiscal cliff: This is on Congress, not the president. He can only haggle with Congress and Congress is the ones that will need to work out a deal. With the tea party morons running the Republicans still, don't bet on any sort of deal.-Energy: To keep saying "Drill, Drill, Drill!" is not going to ease our high energy prices anytime soon, plus some coastal states refuse to allow drilling near their state lines and have threaten legal action to stop any sort of development. Not to mention, we have to have a diverse mix of energy sources to offset any sort of rapid rise in prices in one form to another.-The Middle East: We don't have any reason to go in and get caught up in another civil war. The Middle East can sort out their issues from now on, because our presence there was the rallying cry by terrorists to attack us for years. Syria may need our attention but with Russia and China blocking any sort of UN action, the Middle East will have to work on it themselves.-Russia: I don't get the fear about Russia these days. They are still a 2nd rate military power these days and all their posturing is all show. -China: The president has no influence on manufacturing in this country or others. The real reason we don't have more manufacturing stateside is because there is an incentive to outsource to China. Take that away and more manufacturing will come back. Plus, companies can use a tax credit for moving their manufacturing overseas.
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Badstang08:BTW I love America but Obama is not here to help. That is why he must fail.

SuperDuper:This is why I'm not sure you should be allowed to vote. When you don't get your way you hope for failure. Which is not loving America by the way. We elected a president for just 4 more years. We didn't get taken over by a hostile force and Obama can't just do whatever the hell he wants.

You should think long and hard about why you want him to fail. I think you will find the reasons are purely selfish.

Badstang08:I deserve to vote more than anyone else. I served my country and I didn't vote based on skin color or looks like some morons. I am a patriot and you guys questioning it is wrong. Voters were stupid in this election so I am the only one right in this matter.

This!

Best post ever, the sad part is, you really believe this dude. I actually feel sorry for you.
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There is a big difference between "I think he will fail" and "I hope he fails".

Using sports as a parallel...

Suppose you are a huge LA Lakers fan. The Lakers are down by 3 with 5 seconds left in the 4th quarter. Coach Brown says "Give the ball to Kobe and Kobe, you drive to the basket, make the layup and draw the foul and tie the game with a free throw..."

We can both agree that the Coach's plan is a bad one but a Lakers fan wouldn't say "I hope it fails..." just out of spite. If by some miracle it works, a Lakers fan would be thrilled.

Back to Obama, hoping a certain policy doesn't pass is fine but hoping the country "fails" under his watch is unacceptable. If by some miracle Obama's plans work, every American should be thrilled.

Generally speaking I think 50-60 percent of the votes are uneducated votes, and that includes both Republicans and democrats. It doesn't help that candidates from either side will lie and do anything shady to try to get into office and stay there. I've seen so many polls showing how Americans are so sick of the partisanship, but no one wants to vote for a third party. I say thats as hypocritical as it can get.

The sad thing is, this election was largely won on demographics, which IMHO, is a sad state for America. Everyone complains that the workforce is still white male dominated. Minorities(well, I think white men are NOW the minority) also complain how they are pushed aside by "whitey". Yet they vote for the minority. Thats also hypocritical. If minorities want equality, they should set an example.

You know the part that really bothers me about some people, is the fact they honestly beleive in their hearts that the majority of the American people are stupid. They draw this conclusion solely on the point they voted for a different person than they did. Now were I draw the conclusion they are stupid and ignorant, I don't think it would be rude.
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There is a big difference between "I think he will fail" and "I hope he fails".

Using sports as a parallel...

Suppose you are a huge LA Lakers fan. The Lakers are down by 3 with 5 seconds left in the 4th quarter. Coach Brown says "Give the ball to Kobe and Kobe, you drive to the basket, make the layup and draw the foul and tie the game with a free throw..."

We can both agree that the Coach's plan is a bad one but a Lakers fan wouldn't say "I hope it fails..." just out of spite. If by some miracle it works, a Lakers fan would be thrilled.

Back to Obama, hoping a certain policy doesn't pass is fine but hoping the country "fails" under his watch is unacceptable. If by some miracle Obama's plans work, every American should be thrilled.

Read my post in other thread, they hope he fails so they can justify their hate, anger, and point there finger and say I told you so. This has nothing to do with country; this is all about hate for a Man, our President. They would rather see this country come to its knees to support and justify their own self serving desires. It’s a sad way of thinking. They fear the country may do well, and the President may get some credit for it.
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chaise1984:You know the part that really bothers me about some people, is the fact they honestly beleive in their hearts that the majority of the American people are stupid. They draw this conclusion solely on the point they voted for a different person than they did. Now were I draw the conclusion they are stupid and ignorant, I don't think it would be rude.

I do believe there are many voters who are ignorant when it come to the issues. While Obama only took 37 pecent of my state, I know voters who voted for Obama soley based on the color of his skin. They feel that a black guy from Chicago will know what its like to be a black person in Alabama. They don't even care about his policies. There was a girl I knew who liked Hermain Cain soley because he was black. Its just like we have white rednecks who still think Obama is Muslim. At the end of the day, I think people vote for what the precieve as what is best for me and mine, even if that person doesn't really stand for what they say or has the track record to show that they even really care. Fiscally speaking, one reason this country is so divided is that the upper middle class is tired of paying more taxes and the poor are afraid their entitlements will be taken away. No one wants to sacrifice anymore.

While I seem to read many people posting about people voting for Obama just because he was a black guy - there were probably just as many voting for Romney for equally thoughtless reasons. Because they think Obama is socialist, the birthers, because they want a white guy, because Romney was Mormon. There are plenty of stupid reasons to vote for either candidate. And if using the stupid reasons to vote for Obama makes you feel better about not getting your choice - just remind yourself there were probably just as many idiots on your side of the argument.
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chaise1984:You know the part that really bothers me about some people, is the fact they honestly beleive in their hearts that the majority of the American people are stupid. They draw this conclusion solely on the point they voted for a different person than they did. Now were I draw the conclusion they are stupid and ignorant, I don't think it would be rude.

Djarum:I do believe there are many voters who are ignorant when it come to the issues. While Obama only took 37 pecent of my state, I know voters who voted for Obama soley based on the color of his skin. They feel that a black guy from Chicago will know what its like to be a black person in Alabama. They don't even care about his policies. There was a girl I knew who liked Hermain Cain soley because he was black. Its just like we have white rednecks who still think Obama is Muslim. At the end of the day, I think people vote for what the precieve as what is best for me and mine, even if that person doesn't really stand for what they say or has the track record to show that they even really care. Fiscally speaking, one reason this country is so divided is that the upper middle class is tired of paying more taxes and the poor are afraid their entitlements will be taken away. No one wants to sacrifice anymore.

Democracy, my dear boy, aint perfect. Didnt you learn from Socrates and Platos teachings.Problem is that pure Democracy doesnt work either as nothing gets done. I think it was Plato who said that women and uneducated people shouldnt vote for the exact reasons you mentioned. Women because they tended to the household...Problem is that in essence, Democracy is the voice of ALL people. Including those housewives. So we got to take the good with the bad. It all balances out anyway as there were people voting for Obama because he is Black just as there was people NOT voting for Obama because he is

NOW we find faults with Democracy just to justify our OWN BIASES.Nobody said Democracy is perfect. in fact, like I said above, some ancient greek philosophers came to that conclusion THOUSANDS of years ago.Its still the most precise and most fair systym out there. DEAL WIH IT!!!

chaise1984:You know the part that really bothers me about some people, is the fact they honestly beleive in their hearts that the majority of the American people are stupid. They draw this conclusion solely on the point they voted for a different person than they did. Now were I draw the conclusion they are stupid and ignorant, I don't think it would be rude.

Djarum:I do believe there are many voters who are ignorant when it come to the issues. While Obama only took 37 pecent of my state, I know voters who voted for Obama soley based on the color of his skin. They feel that a black guy from Chicago will know what its like to be a black person in Alabama. They don't even care about his policies. There was a girl I knew who liked Hermain Cain soley because he was black. Its just like we have white rednecks who still think Obama is Muslim. At the end of the day, I think people vote for what the precieve as what is best for me and mine, even if that person doesn't really stand for what they say or has the track record to show that they even really care. Fiscally speaking, one reason this country is so divided is that the upper middle class is tired of paying more taxes and the poor are afraid their entitlements will be taken away. No one wants to sacrifice anymore.

In every election, and in anything where people have to make a decision between two things are more, there will be some who allow their own personal biases to override the factual variables that should be used to determine which thing is better. We do it with our families, our cars, sports teams, states, colleges, race, religion, etc. I haven’t heard one person on this forum dispute there are people who did that in this election. What myself, and others have disagreed with is the notion all black people Voted for him because he was black; the very idea of it is very insulting in so many ways. Not only is it insulting to those who are black who voted for the guy, but equally insulting to the millions and millions of people who voted for him that weren’t black. Some people use this as a defense mechanism to push away the idea that maybe, just maybe these people voted this man in again because they thought he was the BEST candidate of the two. If this doesn’t sound right then you only need to look back at the elections of yesteryears, look at those numbers, look what demographic was voting for who. When you’re done doing that you look at the color of that candidate’s skin. After you are doing that you ask yourself, are these people voting for a skin color, or are they voting for policy platform (D)? If you have any rational thought, the conclusion you should draw with evidence to back it up, is that these people aren’t voting because of color, they are voting the same way they always have, for the candidate that supports their ideas, their policies. If you argue it’s because of skin color, then show me your data; show me your evidence to back such as assertion. People are saying this because they have nothing else to say, they’ve simple ran out of attacks.
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