Its actually whatever precedent and the team that possesses the player's rights says

Precedence has nothing to do with it. It would have been a factor had this contract dispute been escalated to arbitration.

His team can agree to his offer, make a new offer, trade him or wait. Regardless, he has, in fact, reached the point in his career where he can choose not to sign if he does not accept the terms offered to him. Or "hold out", if you want to call it that. But the truth is that his team is holding out as much as he is, by refusing his terms.

This is simply a disagreement between he and his team. I can understand why some may disagree with whatever terms he's rumored to be demanding, but I do not understand the vitriol. Wishing harm to him? That's deranged. Time to get some help.

Disagreements are a normal part of business. It's not like he's reneged on something he's previously agreed to, like what used to happen in hockey.

Its actually whatever precedent and the team that possesses the player's rights says

Precedence has nothing to do with it. It would have been a factor had this contract dispute been escalated to arbitration.

His team can agree to his offer, make a new offer, trade him or wait. Regardless, he has, in fact, reached the point in his career where he can choose not to sign if he does not accept the terms offered to him. Or "hold out", if you want to call it that. But the truth is that his team is holding out as much as he is, by refusing his terms.

This is simply a disagreement between he and his team. I can understand why some may disagree with whatever terms he's rumored to be demanding, but I do not understand the vitriol. Wishing harm to him? That's deranged. Time to get some help.

Disagreements are a normal part of business. It's not like he's reneged on something he's previously agreed to, like what used to happen in hockey.

Its actually whatever precedent and the team that possesses the player's rights says

Precedence has nothing to do with it. It would have been a factor had this contract dispute been escalated to arbitration.

His team can agree to his offer, make a new offer, trade him or wait. Regardless, he has, in fact, reached the point in his career where he can choose not to sign if he does not accept the terms offered to him. Or "hold out", if you want to call it that. But the truth is that his team is holding out as much as he is, by refusing his terms.

This is simply a disagreement between he and his team. I can understand why some may disagree with whatever terms he's rumored to be demanding, but I do not understand the vitriol. Wishing harm to him? That's deranged. Time to get some help.

Disagreements are a normal part of business. It's not like he's reneged on something he's previously agreed to, like what used to happen in hockey.

No one is arguing the legality of what he is doing, they're arguing that he is trash for doing it and is less than most NHL players.

Idoit40fans wrote:No one is arguing the legality of what he is doing, they're arguing that he is trash for doing it and is less than most NHL players.

Why is he trash? What do you base that on? Rumors about what he's asking for? And so what if he's wrong about his value?

He and his team merely have a disagreement about the terms of his contract. If he was just supposed to take what was offered to him before the start of training camp, he wouldn't be an RFA.

What's baffling to me is not that you disagree with him, but that you call him trash and hope he gets injured. Do you really think that's balanced? Do you have a firm enough grip of the facts to apparently hate someone about this?

This isn't a player, like Yashin, refusing to honor his existing deal for more money. Something like that clearly crosses boundaries. O'Reilly and his team just can't agree on the terms of his next contact. They're playing hardball as much as he. Both parties are failing. It sucks, but it's not personal.

I love how this thread is now descending to the point where a hockey player is being derided for his grammar. Unreal.

He is an Av right now whether or not he has a contract. He has turned his back on the team because he wants to be paid like a 30 goal scorer. He's scored just over that in 3 seasons. He wants to get paid off of one good year, and if he actually thought he was worth that money, he would be playing this year on a one year deal and getting paid for his performance.

Idoit40fans wrote:He is an Av right now whether or not he has a contract. He has turned his back on the team because he wants to be paid like a 30 goal scorer. He's scored just over that in 3 seasons. He wants to get paid off of one good year, and if he actually thought he was worth that money, he would be playing this year on a one year deal and getting paid for his performance.

He hasn't turned his back on his team. He hasn't agreed to terms with management. Avs management have "turned their back" to the team as much as he has.

You're choosing to hate a guy because of your opinion of his worth versus rumors of what he and the team have offered, the details of which we're all clueless of. I'm not even going to debate his value, because it's incidental. He's worth what someone is willing to pay him. We'll find out what that is eventually.

Despite whatever delusions and fantasies fans have about professional sports, codes and ethics, at the end of the day it's an entertainment business. Everyone--players, owners, management--is in it for themselves; for money, ego or both. If O'Reilly is guilty of anything, it's not conforming to your fantasy.