As we reported last night, “The Factor” believes that the Sandra Fluke contraception controversy was manufactured to divert attention away from the Obama administration’s disastrous decision to force Catholic non-profit organizations to provide insurance coverage for birth control and the morning after pill. That might very well be unconstitutional.

Anyway, we’re having trouble tracking down just who is sending Sandra around to the media. It’s very strange. So far, the 30-year-old activist has appeared on eight national news programs where she was not challenged at all. Last week, we called Sandra on her cell phone and invited her on “The Factor.” She didn’t call back, very unusual. There was no other public contact for the woman, just her cell phone.

A man named Mike has booked her on a few programs, but we can’t even get his last name. And Mike doesn’t provide call-back numbers to those with whom he speaks. So Mike, who are you? And why the subterfuge?

Yeah, just like it was pure chance that Stephanopoulos asked republicans, during a republican debate of all things, about contraceptives, a few weeks before the WH goes live with their government mandated contraceptive proposal that conveniently morphs into a political controversy which then just happens to divert attention from their horrible mishandling of our economy. It’s not a coincidence or laziness that has the LSM just carrying water and trying to keep the whole “conservatives hate women” meme in the public spot light, when the argument really is about government’s abuse of power. At least the Maher angle is coming back to bite these idiots in the ass.

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The liberal media didn’t force Rush Limbaugh to call this woman a slut and prostitute. The liberal media didn’t make Rick Santorum opine against contraception. The liberal media didn’t come up with this whole “being paid to have sex” line of crap. If Obama laid a trap on contraception, the GOP walked right into it.

Has springing the trap really harmed Limbaugh though? I’m sure a great part of his listeners agree with every word wholeheartedly. If it has harmed him more than hurt him, I’d be shocked. What I see here is both parties taking an opportunity to shore up their base through morally questionable means.

The liberal media didn’t force Rush Limbaugh to call this woman a slut and prostitute.

No Hal, the fact that she pretended to be something she was not so she could demand other people pay for her contraceptives so she could bang without worrying about the cost, did that. And I think Libaugh was wrong to just call her a slut ebcause that insulted sluts. What do you call someone pretending to be a poor victim and making the case that others need to pay for whatever vice they have, when they are really a connected political activist with an agenda, anyway? Progressive?

The liberal media didn’t make Rick Santorum opine against contraception.

Ah, but they sure as hell didn’t point out that while he said he was against them he wasn’t interested in using the power of goverment to deny people them, while the current crop of politicians pretending to want to do good are doing so at the barrel of the government gun. But hey, that distinction doesn’t matter. and thanks for making me have to defend this idiot. spit.

The liberal media didn’t come up with this whole “being paid to have sex” line of crap.

No the government did that when they decided to mandate the coverage of something that should never be covered unless the insurance company and the people buying the policy agree so.

If Obama laid a trap on contraception, the GOP walked right into it.

They laid the trap, the GOP walked right into it, and then it blew up in their face. But now the LSM you are trying to give a pass isn’t talking much about it anymore other than to keep the propaganda line flying.

Has springing the trap really harmed Limbaugh though?

If anything these idiots made him even more powerful and by extent he will be raking in the cash. And that comes from someone that doesn’t listen to Limbaugh.

What do you call someone pretending to be a poor victim and making the case that others need to pay for whatever vice they have, when they are really a connected political activist with an agenda, anyway? Progressive?

Progressive would probably be better than slut and prostitute, yes.

Ah, but they sure as hell didn’t point out that while he said he was against them he wasn’t interested in using the power of goverment to deny people them, while the current crop of politicians pretending to want to do good are doing so at the barrel of the government gun.

It’s politics, deal with it. And so should Santorum. If a candidate, any candidate, holds a position that many find to be somewhat odd, then rest assured that media as well as the other side, will try to highlight it. This regardless if the candidate intends to act on said position or not.

They laid the trap, the GOP walked right into it, and then it blew up in their face. But now the LSM you are trying to give a pass isn’t talking much about it anymore other than to keep the propaganda line flying.

Fluke either having been planted or just being used by the left, doesn’t negate the fact that parts of the GOP swallowed it. It’s similar to Rosa Parks (but on an entirely different level), where some people think that it matters whether her trip on the bus that day was staged or not. It didn’t matter.

If anything these idiots made him even more powerful and by extent he will be raking in the cash. And that comes from someone that doesn’t listen to Limbaugh.

Agreed. Limbaugh, as little regard as I may have for the man, has a large enough fanbase to keep him and his family rich for generations to come.

No the government did that when they decided to mandate the coverage of something that should never be covered unless the insurance company and the people buying the policy agree so.

Just wanna point out that Hal agrees with you on this one, no need to argue…

It’s politics, deal with it. And so should Santorum. If a candidate, any candidate, holds a position that many find to be somewhat odd, then rest assured that media as well as the other side, will try to highlight it. This regardless if the candidate intends to act on said position or not.

I have a feeling that you wouldn’t be talking like this if the media was conservative dominated and they where doing what the left is doing now. And this isn’t politics at all. I have no problem with democrats telling lies to win power, because that is all they do anyway, but I have massive problem with the media not just repeating their lies but telling more lies for them. Maybe in Europe people think it is OK for the media to be a house organ of a political party or movement, even think that is how politics work, but that’s not politics: that is frightening stuff. Here in the US way too many people have not yet realized our media is completely beholden to democrats, lies and manipulates in their favor, and now are happily doing the dirty work of their political masters and attacking anyone daring to stand up and be the opposition to prefpare the battlefield for the coming election.

Fluke either having been planted or just being used by the left, doesn’t negate the fact that parts of the GOP swallowed it. It’s similar to Rosa Parks (but on an entirely different level), where some people think that it matters whether her trip on the bus that day was staged or not. It didn’t matter.

You again conveniently miss the point that the problem isn’t the fact Fluke is a political plant, but that the media is a willing participant in this ploy. Pravda in the Soviet Union was state owned, because that was the only possibility for any media in that system. They did the dirty work of the Soviet leadership. Our media is doing this shilling for democrats of its own free will, without much need of the state using a heavy hand. Frankly that’s far more frightening to me, and yet here you are trying to tell me this is just politics.

Just wanna point out that Hal agrees with you on this one, no need to argue…

And yet, he seems to miss the point that this whole thing isn’t just staged and run by the WH, but that the media is complicit in it, making the story far bigger than anything Rush said or didn’t say, and like you thinks this is just politics. The story here is that we are being lied to and manipulated, and that’s not politics.

Second, “we were punked by a 30-year-old feminist-activist law student” does not say “. . . and we ought to be leading the country” to me. I don’t know whether or not Sandra Fluke is part of a well-crafted election-year gambit designed to draw conservative figures into angry paroxysms of social-issue frothing. I find the proposition dubious; frankly it seems far too politically effective to have been a deliberate Democratic gambit. But whether or not it is true, how is it an argument about “we should lead?” “We’re as naive and bumbling about being trapped into opposing narratives as a Democrat” is not a strong talking point.

He also addresses the “waah waah media bias” meme which I had tired of about ten years ago. It’s simply impossible to make the following points and not make a fool of yourself:

1) Fox News is the #1 rates news channel. And it is heavily conservative, with numerous Republican politicians like Huckaby and Palin having commentary gigs.

2) Rush Limbaugh’s show is the #1 rated talk show (and Hannity is #2, Savage is #5, Beck is #7, Levin is #8, Boortz is #11 and Ingraham is #12).

but, …

3) All of our problems are because of liberal domination of the media.

It’s frankly the kind of factually-challenged whining you get from liberals. Liberals dominate nightly news, but who the fuck watches the nightly news anymore? Fox News blows them all out of the water. We dominate radio and cable news. If the MSM can still politically hamstring the GOP, that tells you far more about the GOP than the MSM. Reagan, Bush I and Gingrich the Marianne Years faced a far FAR tougher media environment. And they did not end every news cycle covered in flaming cow manure.

As for the debate being biased, I find that flimsy as well. Fox News held several of the debates. And the GOP were never pressed on George W. Bush’s record, never really pressed on cultural issues, never pressed on global warming or evolution, never taken to task for their absurd budget plans (only Ron Paul’s actually reduces the deficit).

And, frankly, some people need to make up their minds. Are the Democrats and media bumbling idiots (my view)? Or are they masterful political strategists? They can’t be both.

This was not an MSM-Democrat plot. If Rush Limbaugh hadn’t made a horse’s ass out of himself, no one would have heard of Sandra Fluke. Running around screaming about being duped by 30 y/o law student and George Stephanopolous is just digging the whole deeper. It leaves me completely unconvinced that the GOP is ready to do anything other than whine and cry like a bunch of liberals in slightly better suits.

Sandra Fluke quite obviously was put forward to try to “fight back” and “damage control” what was caused by the Catholic debacle. It’s not that difficult. It’s a pretty obvious thing to do. And it should be no surprise she lied. If Rush had not said these things you can still take it to the bank that Sandra Fluke would be on the airwaves etc. But Rush made things, much much worse.

Rush, however, put his foot in it. The media should have let it pass, but because they’re hypocrites you can’t really blame them for not. Fluke would have had air-time anyhow.

There is a heavy liberal/leftist bias in the America media (just as there is in the British). That’s fine. The idea that simply pointing out that the right-wing media shows have the highest ratings somehow negate that fact is an absurdity. It’s 100% idiotic/retarded to point out that Fox news has a conservative bias as some sort of counter point to the fact that every other news outlet/network on tv is anti-conservative. It’s a testament to Fox and a testament to how out-of-whack these other networks (etc) are, that Fox is no.1 in the ratings time and time again.

You miss the point that liberals dominate the media and those who make the culture. Culture decides what and how you think, for the most part, and he who controls the culture controls the people.

I would say I heard a conservative pundit say Stephanopoulos is actually an ok guy and it was out of character for him to have done that in the debate. At most it was peer-pressure.

Anyway, liberals are generally arseholes so there’s no need to infer some sort of control over these events. Liberalism is a religion and they have various tenets, so there’s no need to act surprised over much of this. Apply Occam’s Razor.

The liberal media didn’t force Rush Limbaugh to call this woman a slut and prostitute. The liberal media didn’t make Rick Santorum opine against contraception. The liberal media didn’t come up with this whole “being paid to have sex” line of crap. If Obama laid a trap on contraception, the GOP walked right into it.

The liberal media did go into hysterics though, while turning a blind eye constantly to vile comments made from the left, and I understand the whole argument of we should expect and live with such degrading nonsense from them because that’s how they are, but I’m tired of that perspective. Seriously it’s become so expected, the left are in power right now regardless, so the fact that they don’t mind calling women bitches, sluts, whores, cunts and all kinds of other vile names when it’s convenient because that’s how they are does’t fly with me anymore. Not saying you’ve used that argument in this case, it’s just a generalized response from many in this country regarding the left.

Rush asked the question, if he’s forced to pay for her sexual choices what does that make her?

Now I’ve heard the leftist nonsense that sex isn’t a choice, and that’s correct to some degree, but what is not correct and is nonsense is the manner of how you go about it. Just as taking a shit isn’t a choice either, the manner of how you do it is. If you choose to take a shit on your neighbor’s lawn, the fact that everyone takes a shit isn’t what defines the creepiness of taking a shit in that case.

As I pointed out in another thread, even planned parenthood puts the price in the range of 9 to 50 bucks a month, so this “brave” (as I’ve read in some reports) student going before Congress is lying about the price first of all, This “brave” student is asking me to foot the bill instead of her and her boyfriend. This “brave” student can go out and have as much sex as she wants, but it should be up to her to have a partner or partner’s chip in or put the burden back on the guy to bring condoms. This “brave” student should ask the males who support her what their real motives are. While they can say they’re doing it for “women’s rights” that society should pay for, and put the honorable sheen on their self promoting egos, why are they behind fighting for others to pay for a woman to ingest a pill that alters her chemistry and bodily functions so they don’t have to foot the bill for a condom or bother with the fact that they might have to sacrifice some stimulation to prevent burdening their mate with an unwanted pregnancy? Fighting for equality my ass.

As for Rush, yeah, he went slightly too far, and I say slightly because it’s nowhere near the shit that’s come from several of the leftist talking heads that just simply doesn’t even get noticed, or shrugged off. So no, I’m not going to jump on the OMG! wagging on this one.

Now I’ve heard the leftist nonsense that sex isn’t a choice, and that’s correct to some degree

Of course it’s a choice, or did I miss those medical studies that proved not having sex is fatal or even harmful?

The health benefits gleaned from sexual activity can be replicated with a good run or a good workout at the gym. Even those ancillary studies that use dubious statistics and circulatory rational, like those linking a drop in prostate cancer with those sexually active, can’t solitary sex work just as well, and with no need for contraception?

Even with conception, copulation is not required.

As I said before, I would not have feminized the derision heaped on this woman but instead just called her a bum, expecting other people to pay for her recreational activities.

Here is her testimony, where she talks about her activism right away and talks about married law students and women with polycstic ovarian syndrome trying to get birth control. I think she’s full of it, actually, since birth control can be gotten cheap from Walmart. But I don’t think she’s lying, per se.

The liberal media did go into hysterics though, while turning a blind eye constantly to vile comments made from the left

That’s somewhat true. The feminists have called out guys like Matt Taibbi and Bill Maher, but it hasn’t generated nearly the firestorm the Rush thing did.

On the other hand, George Bush, Dick Cheney and John Boehner have been gusts on Rush’s show. He’s been inside the circles of power, meeting with the Speaker of the House and the President. He even admitted to carrying water for them after the 2006 election. The same can not be said of the liberal commentariat.

On the other hand, George Bush, Dick Cheney and John Boehner have been gusts on Rush’s show. He’s been inside the circles of power, meeting with the Speaker of the House and the President. He even admitted to carrying water for them after the 2006 election. The same can not be said of the liberal commentariat.

True, just as it’s my understanding Maher has sent a considerable amount of money to the Obama campaign regardless of the fact that he has a habit of degrading women based on nothing more than whether he agrees with their viewpoints. Pressure should be on for the all knowing and all good Messiah to give the money back and he should state and prove that he doesn’t associate himself with people who act in such manner, but my guess he won’t, and my guess is that will fade away.

As for the this topic, I pretty much agree with you and Rich, poor choice of words from Rush and he certainly didn’t argue the case. I really haven’t listened to the guy in years. I think the drugs got to him. My frustration is when he acts like Maher, it’s an uproar, when Maher acts like Maher and other on the left act as they do we hear nothing or very little, and again that’s generalized and not directed toward either of you.

True, just as it’s my understanding Maher has sent a considerable amount of money to the Obama campaign

Actually he sent the contribution to a pro Obama super pac.
After all money equals speech according to the current right leaning supreme court. Goose/gander and all that.

Personally – I think Maher goes too far quite often – especially when he condescends to Middle America. I just don’t get the need to be so mean spirited – no matter which side it is coming from. Name calling is immature as far as I am concerned.

1) Fox News is the #1 rates news channel. And it is heavily conservative, with numerous Republican politicians like Huckaby and Palin having commentary gigs.

2) Rush Limbaugh’s show is the #1 rated talk show (and Hannity is #2, Savage is #5, Beck is #7, Levin is #8, Boortz is #11 and Ingraham is #12).

but, …

3) All of our problems are because of liberal domination of the media.

Nice straw man there Hal. You must be immune to the fact that there are plenty of people, especially the ones that live by whatever the LSM tells them to believe, that consider Fox News and Rush/Hannity/Boortz and so on to be nothing but liars, and to be avoided. Your argument amounts to “because other outlets exist, the massive propaganda machine most lame ass people get the left’s propaganda spoon fed to them by, simply can’t be pointed out”. Are you seriously going to make the case that absent the LSM making this a big story it would ever have been one? I do recall that the LSM has been doing its best to keep the horrible talk about women on the right from leftists, and so far they had succeeded. Fox news pointed out how ludicrous the argument that what Rush said stands out when you compare it to what leftists usually say, but despite your claim Fox News’ existence should be enough to mitigate the LSM’s control of news, most people still don’t even have a clue. Yes, if it wasn’t for Fox News even fewer people would know how much worse the discourse is from the other side, but Fox News isn’t mandatory viewing for the lame ass idiots that believe every lie the DNC controlled media spouts.

This is very easy to understand. Ask everyone, but especially the lame ass LSM members making much ado about this story, that are making excuses for why these people on the left saying much worse things should get a pass, if there would not have been a story had Rush called a democrat female politician a slut or prostitute, never mind the “c” word, then see them twist themselves into a pretzel. Because that’s been their only argument so to draw a distinction.

You are being played, and happily defending them playing you. This story is manufactured by the LSM, at this time for a reason, and THAT is the story. Just like other stories of assholes on their side saying much worse have been buried is the other side of this coin.

Actually he sent the contribution to a pro Obama super pac.
After all money equals speech according to the current right leaning supreme court. Goose/gander and all that.

Holy weak ass straw man arguments, Batman! I know liberals are a few cans short of a full six pack, but this is just pathetic. Sally, are you seriously pretending that people that have pointed out how hypocritical the left is about this, by pointing out the Maher money connection to Obama, and telling Obama that if he is going to pretend to be insulted by what Limbaugh said, he should be doubly so insulted by what Maher said, and hence prove that by giving the money back, somehow are trying to limit political donations? Really?

Fuck, I do not care if Maher gives democrats $10 million of HIS money. What I care about is that we stop pretending that these democrat hypocrites (same thing, I know) that are buddy-buddy with people that do and say far worse things, like Maher, have any fucking ground to stand on. Way to avoid the obvious.

Personally – I think Maher goes too far quite often – especially when he condescends to Middle America. I just don’t get the need to be so mean spirited – no matter which side it is coming from. Name calling is immature as far as I am concerned.

Frankly I do not care what Maher says. Shit, I would even defend him for saying these things if people tried to use political power to silence him, even if I disagree with every damned thing he says. What I am pissed about is the left pretending to be on the higher ground in this whole sordid affair, when the facts are in evidence that they are clearly levels below the gutter. It’s about consistency. That goose and gander thing you incorrectly used in your straw man about people that tell Obama to prove he really doesn’t like misogynistic commentary by actually getting rid of money from donors that makes it a habit of saying far worse than what caused this whole staged fracas, applies.

That cost of contraceptives for one. She must be buying designer pills at that cost.

And then there is the whole “I am just a poor college student and nothing else” thing. Granted, that lie can be attributed to the LSM which had they done even the tiniest bit of work would have discovered Fluke was a 30 year old activist, not some lame underclassmen as they originally claimed, and had enrolled at G-Town specifically to then use herself as a candidate to force the stupid religious idiots running that school to be all religiousy. Fuck just giving her age would have been enough to set off alarm bells in everyone. What’s a 30 year old career student need another damned hand out for?