George Staikos has just been showing us how the security indicators are inconsistent across various browsers — Safari, Firefox, IE, and Konqueror put the indicators sometimes in the toolbar, sometimes in the status bar, on the left or the right. George compared the regime of security indicators to a broken-down rusty old car. A comment from the audience:

Phillip Hallam-Baker: It's like a car that hasn't been maintained for ten years. The padlock was introduced around 1995 and we're still using it...