Bochy surprised that Affeldt had been pitching with groin pain

Giants reliever Jeremy Affeldt was placed on the 15-day disabled list Sunday with a moderate left groin strain, but manager Bruce Bochy said the lefthander will likely miss 4-6 weeks with the injury.

“Jeremy’s going to be out for awhile,” Bochy said.

Affeldt confirmed he felt something pop while throwing a pitch in the sixth inning against the Arizona Diamondbacks Saturday night. The real revelation, however, is that Affeldt maintained he has been pitching with discomfort in his groin for the past two weeks but had tried to pitch through it. He even said he had been getting treatment for the groin before he suffered the full-blown the injury.

“Sometimes being a tough guy doesn’t always work out so well,” Affeldt said, who added that he may have cost the Giants some games not being able to pitch at full effectivness.

Bochy was surprised by the admission that Affeldt had been dealing with a groin problem before Saturday night.

“If that’s the case, he kept that to himself,” the manager said.

The Giants called up righthander Jean Machi from Triple-A Fresno to replace Affeldt on the roster.
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Bochy sounds as if he is leaning toward Barry Zito pitching the game in which the Giants wear their road grays and bat first in Tuesday’s doubleheader against the Reds. He said he’ll disclose the starter for the other game after today’s game, but it almost certainly will be Eric Surkamp.

Reaper: Yes. Gibby would knock down Mother Gibson if he perceived ‘her’ coming into home “a tad high”.

Bapah

all

kyle Perizi

The Nat’s offense has really fallen off the table . Zimmerman and Strasburg are still formidable , but they’re pitching without the cushions they had last year .

It puts into perspective how great the Gs starting rotation was in 2011 with that horrible offense they put out there .

Bapah

KKKKKKharma

Lefty

Re-posting: Here’s the tweet with the trade rumor:

@RobertMurrayMLB: A more recent offer, according to @CubsDen, was C Andrew Susac and RHP Ty Blach for Garza. #SFGiants

LOTS of teams are in on Garza. Doubt very much the Giants end up with him. I just thought it was interesting they’d even make such an offer. I’m with the rest of you–don’t want to trade a top catching prospect for a rental pitcher.

doughnut

Not a good year for affeldt so far after the huge contract. responsible for some brutal losses and destabilized our late relief. Kind of frustrating. At least he got the book done on time

Polioptila Veintiocho

Lefty says:
July 21st, 2013 at 1:04 pm

“Re-posting: Here’s the tweet with the trade rumor:

@RobertMurrayMLB: A more recent offer, according to @CubsDen, was C Andrew Susac and RHP Ty Blach for Garza. #SFGiants

LOTS of teams are in on Garza. Doubt very much the Giants end up with him. I just thought it was interesting they’d even make such an offer. I’m with the rest of you–don’t want to trade a top catching prospect for a rental pitcher.”

Especially when the Gnats desperately need a catcher.

Bapah

thanks, Left

Bapah

Just not a LF

Polioptila Veintiocho

Game over!

Bapah

LU mistake #1a, no range, no arm

kyle Perizi

CS:

” Darting here and there ,” is always worth the read .

Bapah

Let’s see the strike-thrower and what the “plan” is today for him.

Lefty

Get used to it, folks. Tanaka has gotten lucky with a couple of speed-fueled catches in LF. But he’s not an experienced outfielder, and that’s going to hurt the Giants over and over. And decent outfielder gets that ball, and now it’s cost Bum and the team a run.

Just an example of the stupidity and stubbornness of the people making the decisions, putting a 32-year-old non-prospect into the outfield because he’s so horrible at 2B he can’t be trusted there. Said before; I’ll say it again. The Giants have at least two Gold Glove caliber defensive outfielders at AAA in Brown and Perez. We saw what Perez can do, and Brown has something ridiculous like 15 outfield assists already. I would rather see one of those young guys getting a shot and playing great defense than either Tanaka or Francoeur. I bet the offense would be about the same, too, and then at least you’re investing in the future.

ClutchUp

BTW

Blanco has to call for and Catch THAT ball.

Bapah

Amen

Polioptila Veintiocho

Francoeur and Tanaka are the future of the Gnats! LA, of course, would be thrilled to be able to play them ahead of Crawford, Ethier, Kemp and Puig.

Bapah

to both

Bapah

If I knew that was coming, why didn’t Pablo?

Polioptila Veintiocho

Blobsoval lets us down again!

totalfan62

Lefty: spot on a$$essment of the OF situation. Root problem is that we aren’t generating enough runs to allow the best defensive team to be on the field at all times. Francoeur is a decent OF; not as good as Blanco or Torres (or Brown/Perez for that matter) but not as bad as Tanaka.

Clutch: I don’t think Blanco saw it off the bat. If he did, very poor route and effort.

kyle Perizi

I’m very fond of this battery .

ClutchUp

That DROP has Bum with a little nostril snarl.

Might have opened up a Bum Can-O-Whoop Ass.

Bapah

TF, maybe, but I think Blanco just let him have it… and shouldn’t have.

Bapah

Lefty, should “Whoop Ass” have been hyphenated?

ClutchUp

Bapah 123

Pablo was playing via Ross’ Spray Charts

totalfan62

Bapah: could be. If so, even more disappointed in the Sharkplug. CF goes to get everything he can reach, especially with an inexperienced OF playing next to him. This is not a time to build confidence in a rookie OF–it’s the time to make the best play yourself.

Bapah

I sure wish MLB TV feed could JUST KEEP UP!

Bapah

I agree, but sometimes courtesy overwhelms the Japanese-American relationship.

Polioptila Veintiocho

Brandi Belt somehow manages to stay above .260.

Polioptila Veintiocho

Tanaka is a real prospect, by Sabean standards.

Matthew

CU, I think Bapah meant the change up he struck out on…

doughnut

Didn’t see the play but Tanaka has been a positive for this team imo.

Polioptila Veintiocho

Brandi Clubfoot, in the clutch!

kyle Perizi

I’m surprised that you don’t see more players trip over the length of their pants .

Bapah

Matt, I did, indeed.

2holehitting

Of course they can trade susac, they have Posey the catcher for now and the next 10 years right? Or is he the first baseman of the next 10 years 🙂

ClutchUp

Kind of Like no longer “I Guarantee It” Mr. Zimmer.

1-0 won’t be the final score.

totalfan62

So I’m doing chores around the house a few hours before the game started, and I see that Dodgers/Nats game is TBS Game of the Week. Oh good, I’ll watch that while I work, and root for the Nats to give us some help. Not. Zimmerman gives the Dodgers seven runs in the second, as if Kershaw needs more than one or two.

Yeah, bugchaser, we know…

Bapah

This guy is “famous” for his change-up. I know it’s in the scouting report; PS should have read it.

Sam

Is it just me or has Lefty become quite annoying? She’s gone from being a fan to being a typical know it all second-guesser from the luxury of her keyboard.

ClutchUp

Kemp’s supplements are putting him in Harms Way.

Donny Mound-ingly still had 49er fan Kemp in the game in the 9th when he AGAIN hurt himself.

Bapah

Oooh, I like the camera shot from behind the plate with Bum pitching.

Matthew

I’m thinking an orthodontist visit is in order….

2holehitting

I guess you guys prefer a light hitting left handed batter that hits 263 with no left field experience or proven track record over a 300 hitting never played left field replacement that has won 3 batting titles in his native land. Oh and that later guy, has struck out only twice in his 22 at bats.

Matthew

Sam, re:Lefty…sorry, dude..not with you at all. She continues to usually be the voice of reason in this sea of hyperbole.

She also has passions, like the rest of us. We all have our favorites and our targets… She has hers. It’s cool.

2holehitting

COuld have said I gues you gals.

Matthew

Clutch: Kemp got hurt again?

Bapah

Funny… I don’t remember #2hole being such a Dips Hit; guess I’ve been away to, too, two long.

Polioptila Veintiocho

2holehitting says:
July 21st, 2013 at 1:38 pm

“Of course they can trade susac, they have Busted Poseur the ‘catcher’ for now and the next 10 years right? Or is he the first baseman of the next 10 years :)”

Even in the unlikely event that the Poseur avoids injuring himself again, he’s an utterly incompetent 1B.

Just wondering

Giants facing a “crafty” pitcher … might have to manufacture a run …. that almost always means they won’t. C’mon, Buster!

Lefty

Sam: Where do you suggest I do my second-guessing from if not the “luxury of my keyboard”? Should I run around the outfield at AT & T?

2holehitting

If Tanaka was any taller, he could play first. Look at that OBP, clearly he rates better than the current regular first baseman. 🙂

Bapah

OK, Lefty, I vote the outfield at ATT.

Bapah

with your keyboard.

Polioptila Veintiocho

This Gnat offense gnever lets up.

Bapah

Film at 11:00

totalfan62

2Hole: is that some convoluted way of saying we want Belt in LF vs. Tanaka? Not even close to what anyone here just said. Read Lefty’s post again: two very good young system OF at Fresno vs. a guy who was shaky at 2B and should have made that catch.

Tanaka has shown promise, but 22 ABs = Small Sample Size.

Chin Music

It’s obvious this lineup was another Bochy blunder. Torres, Quiroz on the bench?

What was he thinking?

ClutchUp

Sam? Are you serious?

Annoying belongs to a plethora of bozo’s on this site.

Lefty is insightful, a passionate, diligent fan who has stuck by her Defense First wishes and a defensive LU today would have meant the score is 0-0.

That, or Blanco needs to catch the ball.

How’s your Ketch/Catsup cousins doing. I see Long Lost step Bro RI found his potty mouth today. 😳

Matthew

2Hole has a Belt burr up his a$$ and isn’t about to give up on his theme until he darn well pleases.

2holehitting

It’s obvious this lineup was another Bochy blunder. Torres, Quiroz on the bench?

What was he thinking?

========================

He lost his brain, he should have Abreau AND Fancour starting. That is their best chance to win

Bapah

That’s 2

ClutchUp

Matthew: Yes sliding into home in the 9th.

Matthew

Adventures in Left.

2holehitting

That looked like Andres out there

Polioptila Veintiocho

Has Gaudin’s extradition order arrived yet?

MLBSF

Sam be nice to Lefty on her big day.

Congratulations Lefty. Who knew!

smh

Lefty wins Open for 1st time with brilliant 66

Bapah

Bad day for Nippon-US relations

Polioptila Veintiocho

BadGums in trouble early. Our gallant Gnats can only fantasize having a hitter of Goldschmidt’s quality.

Buster hasn’t had his 6-3 today. Let’s hope he follows a different trend.

Matthew

It is a tad bit disingenuous to call Barry Zito a Giant ” All Star” ….same thing when they say ” Cy Young winner” . I get it,…and it’s technically correct. But, he is certainly not one as a Giant by any stretch.

Unfortunately for the Gnats’ aspirations, they won’t get any closer to the Madres today.

Bapah

CC, I saw that grteat play earlier. Stew doing well. Makes me happy.

Lefty

Tanaka seems like a nice guy and a decent professional hitter. Very impressive speed. But Clutch is right: I don’t agree, ever, with trading defense for offense. Just too many bad memories from 2011, from early 2012, from the last two Kershaw games…

I know it worked out OK with Burrell in 2010, but that was then. The Giants had the best pitching in baseball in 2010 but almost no offense. Their pitchers could get through defensive miscues. Also, to be fair, I don’t remember huge problems with Burrell in the outfield. He wasn’t going to make any highlight reels, but he made the regular plays. He knew what he was doing out there.

Polioptila Veintiocho

Brandi Belt is a true slugger.

Just wondering

Tough luck for Panda … but this stiff has 7 HRs in 39 innngs? Cmon guys

ClutchUp

Tanaka-san elixor may have rubbed WAY off defensively.

He made a play on Goldy’s High fly ball on Friday when he slid across the LF foul line reaching back with his glove and catching the ball. Some, many said WOW, great play.

All it was was a “nice” lucky play on a ball he initially over ran. Most Righthanded LF’s would have caught that ball with a normal backhand play.

BTW Masanori Murikami is in the house and mentioned the best part of Tanaka’s game is Mental.

I think it’s safe to say, Tanaka has been figured out. The bloom is off the rose.

totalfan62

Very poor AB by Tanaka. Important RISP, immediate 0-2 count, and got beat by a pitch he should have hit.

Hold ’em Bum.

Bapah

I’m feeling it for Bum today. Posey wouldn’t have caught that.

Bapah

Even though Bum got the throw, Buster was standing right there too. Good hustle.

Matthew

Yup, Tanaka shelf life in LF seems to be over…too bad, as I saw a spark when he got here…but, ball don’t lie.

Lefty, SO glad you made that statement on defense/offense swap. You know that is singing my tune, especially on this particular team. It works better in the AL ( see: Tigers) , but not with a team built from the pitching staff outward.

So, Tanaka making sure we know not ALL Lefties are golden today…just our lofty Lefty and Phil.

kyle Perizi

Does McCovey Cove have Wi-Fi ?

Polioptila Veintiocho

With this range, the Busted Poseur doesn’t catch much of anything.

Bapah

That would be perfect, Kyle.

kyle Perizi

Delgado is ready to cough up some runs .

Bapah

Half way through, time for a run.

Atlas

Every outfielder new to AT&T eventually gets tested a few times, and messes up a few times. It pretty much happens to all of them. Pence was memorable. And the OF at AT&T appears to STAY challenging… Torres… Blanco…

Any way, Tanaka should have have done better. And, he’s very athletic, I bet he actually could have done better. Still, you gotta make the most of your opportunities. And if we ever put Belt out there, he’ll be tested too and probably botch a few as well.

kyle Perizi

Damn !

Wally Pipp

Sad but joyous party going on for Mr. Troutt

Here was the announcement that came with his arrival

Harry and Kitten Troutt’s penthouse apartment in the Richmond District had a panoramic view of San Francisco. It also was a home away from home for many of the 49ers’ players.

In the early 1980s, the entire secondary – Ronnie Lott, Eric Wright, Dwight Hicks and Carlton Williamson – would arrive together. They knew the 49ers couldn’t have more avid fans than the Troutts. They didn’t miss a game for five decades, attended all five Super Bowl wins and decorated their homes in red and gold.

Harry Troutt died July 11 of cardiac arrest at Santa Rosa Memorial Hospital. He was 77.

Mr. Troutt headed the San Francisco chapter of the 49ers Booster Club for 30 years. In 2003, he was inducted into the Hall of Fans, a wing of the Pro Football Hall of Fame in Canton, Ohio.

“We all loved him,” Hall of Fame offensive tackle Bob St. Clair said. “We’d always go over to his house after the games. If we won, we’d celebrate. If we lost, we’d drink our sorrows.”

Matthew

I love Scutaro…had that been Belt grounding out to short with two out, the howls on here would be endless. Just sayin’.

Boys look flat at the plate. If Bummy keeps it close, we can sneak yet another torture win out late…..

Polioptila Veintiocho

Bochy’s Boys are an offensive juggernaut!

Bapah

I want Bum to go the distance AND get the win.

Polioptila Veintiocho

BadGums is overdue for a meltdown inning.

Lefty

Matthew: Or if Belt, not Tanaka, had struck out with two on and two out.

Sam: “Belt is such a frontrunner. Only hits in garbage time.”
2hole: “If the Giants lose, that’s another “L” in Belt’s W-L record.”
Baldy: “Belt never, ever gets a hit in the clutch. EVER.”

Today’s game — at least to this point — is why I don’t feel we’re going anywhere this season.

It’s one of those lazy Sundays when the Giants come out having won two in a row, and they don’t show any sense of urgency because suddenly things have been going okay.

They’ve just shown up today and that’s basically it. This is what happens to some teams that win championships.

They go through the motions during the regular season. The Lakers do it all the time. They never really turn it on until the playoffs.

I’d be curious to know just how hungry the Giants — as a team — are to get back to the big dance, or if they’re fat (in some cases literally) and content with what they’ve accomplished.

Is there a Kobe Bryant on the team that hungers for multiple championships? I don’t see the fire to be honest.

TrainWreck

Boy, your lefty on righty combos sure are tearing it up today, Bruce. Way to support your ace, fellas.

ClutchUp

Matthew: You know Kruke is just embellishing everything based on his career. He did have the fortune of playing with or against the Carlton’s and other savvy vets of that ilk.

He’s just portraying to know what is being said.

HaHa the best stories are when catchers use to go to the mound to see Gibson — and they were sent out by the Skipper. Poor catcher(s) 🙁

Matthew

How about Francouer with a 2-run PH homer in the 8th to win it? Just like Burrell against LA in 2010…..

ClutchUp

Flannery = There is NOBODY out 🙁

Matthew

E Flan.

kyle Perizi

When I was in knee pants I wore ” Buster Browns .”

doughnut

I WANT TO THROW UP RIGHT NOW. None out come on man

Polioptila Veintiocho

The Poseur’s also a Speedsteur!

Matthew

STFU, Mike…it’s no problem to point out a mistake…oh, I forgot, it’s only when it is Timmy or Belt.

ClutchUp

HERE is what Major Leaguers and lower level players do WRONG when the slide! They LIFT up the front leg that would have caused them to be safe and touch it with the back leg – which means they are out.

Uh, yes, you can. No outs…would have been 2nd and 3rd, and Posey was dropping his transmission around SS.

Dario Argento

Come on, people. The game isn’t over yet. It’s only 1-0.

Matthew

…and, you are sending the guy who, when catching, you have instructed to avoid all contact…so now you send him on a play that invites contact…. AND Arizona has proven several times that they can make the perfect relay throws..over and over again.

Atlas, I usually want aggression. NOT there…too many reasons to hold him.

Lefty

Matthew: That’s funny. When Krukow was telling us what Buster was saying during that mound visit, I came up with my own version:

Buster: “Look, you big, stupid lug. You better keep Goldschmidt close. I’m sick and tired of you idiot pitchers never holding runners on. My caught-stealing numbers look like s**t thanks to you, and trolls like that Bugcatcher guy on Giants Extra say I’m not a good defensive catcher. That’s probably why I didn’t get to start the All-Star Game this year. Thanks a lot, you Bum.”

I’m pretty sure that’s how it went, even though I’ve never been a major league pitcher like Krukow was.

Polioptila Veintiocho

Not only did the Busted Poseur never learn how to block the plate, he never bothered to learn how to slide either.

Just wondering

Posey, Sandoval and even Pence have had a least one big hit in the series, but keep in mind, the Giants don’t score Friday if Montero catches a throw at the plate. That means a whole lot of nothing this weekend from the “rested” lineup against less-then-stellar pitching.

ClutchUp

Disagree, I understand that if he’s safe there is no arm-chair quarterbacking going on, but it still defys all those bizarre baseball adages of never making your first or 3rd out at third or home.

We can counter that Pence “can’t hit” with RISP but right there you’ve got to stop Buster at third and Pablo at second and let Pence try to hit a sac fly with runners at third (and second) with nobody out.

Both sides have their opinions, but I’m letting my avatar swing it with no outs and runners at third and second.

Plus the Dbacks probably play the infield back and trade “an out for a run”.

-Just saying…

Matthew

Heath ” Taco” Bell warming up in the pen.

Chin Music

Hindsight is a great skill.

It was a good gamble. It took a perfect relay to get him.

Down by a run, there’s no guarantee you will have a better chance to tie even with 2nd and 3rd and no outs.

Split second sooner and there’s euphoria all around.

Just wondering

Fortunately, the Dbacks seem to be offering to give the game away by bringing in Bell ..

totalfan62

ClutchUp says: July 21st, 2013 at 2:54 pm

HERE is what Major Leaguers and lower level players do WRONG when the slide! They LIFT up the front leg that would have caused them to be safe and touch it with the back leg – which means they are out.
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Exactly. As I watched the replay, I flashed on Torres’ slide into home plate in fifth inning of game 4, NLCS 2010. His front foot went HARD into Ruiz and knocked him back off the plate. All Buster had to do was front foot down and he’s safe.

Bigger issue: VERY bad decision by Flannery to send him. As Matthew said: second and third with no outs, Pence and Belt coming up, that probably scores the tying run.

Let’s get it here.

Matthew

Chin, hindsight is one of the charms of baseball. And, I love Flan as a 3rd base coach..but he made an error. I will not blame the loss on him if it happens, but I was screaming to hold him as it happened.

So, technically, mine isn’t hindsight.

Dwreck

I also disagree with some who say to send Posey there! Thats a long run for a catcher and Buster isn’t the most fleet of foot as we all know. The right baseball play there is to play the odds and keep it 2nd and 3rd with no outs and let pence drive in a run or two…Anybody who says differently just doesn’t understand baseball. Period!

If we are trying to upgrade, why not at least go after a player who can help us beyond this year. Gallardo could be out there. Not interested in the price tag for Norris. Still think Lohse is the best answer. Maybe Peavy.
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What’s up with Heston? Still working on a trade? Clock is running on his 10 day DFA window… I think 7 days is gone, so he can’t any longer be placed on waivers… Trade, release, or outright to minors are the only outcomes left I think. And if he is outrighted, can he turn down the as$ignment and become a free agent? Or isn’t there a clause he can only be outrighted ONCE. Can’t recall.

Something’s gotta give on Heston. His 10 day period is up, I think on Tuesday 7/23. As I said earlier, I think we’ll have trade news by Wednesday.

NO RENTALS.

Polioptila Veintiocho

My AAA Party was cancelled down here in Compton even though I just got my three month chip and they gave me a small apple cider party last week.

I’m so proud to be the Dodgers Tranny of the Month. Tommy was invited but he was a little afraid to just show up so he wore a Hershiser disguise. We hugged and ki$$ed to show our Dodger love.

So far Flannery and Tanaka are on the hook. Bum, on the other hand, has pitched like the stud he has been all year long. You just can’t keep wasting these gems. He should be 0-0 or maybe ahead 1-0, and if they don’t score this inning, he could get a loss. 🙁

Even though Lefty’s source was a legit source – I don’t sense the source did ‘their’ homework because ever since they traded Tommy Joseph the Giants have been grooming Susac to be the next legit back-up catcher to Buster.

Granted the inner circle of the Giants Bureau really love Hector. They LOVE the 2012 Hector and this year – off year he got married and somehow injured his labrum or throwing shoulder area. Is he a hacker? Absolutely, but probably when (ever) healthy they see a gap to gap hitter who (yes) we’ve all seen regress defensively to the point that he’s now has to (re) close a gap that was once not very wide.

No wonder that Med staff and Skippers no longer will (ever) trust athletes to tell the truth again (Affeldt and Others). I am surprised that they even left Sandy-Rosey in last night when he bare handed that comebacker.

Lon on KNBR radio in rare form: “It’s amazing how they treat and Old Man …. they sent their kids over to step on my toes”….. “They didn’t boo when the ball accidently slipped out of my hands when I threw out the first pitch …. I warmed up too much down in the batting cage…”

Asked if he’s going home, Lon said “No, I have to have some tests tomorrow because they thought I had already passed away…”

TheNoseKnows

I’m sure that’s what Flan was thinking

carmot

channel:

Weren’t you interested in Brennan Boesch, still think he has the makings to be great? Released by two teams since March.

Flannery was thinking of the Giants traffic jam at 3B this series. Think of it as an analog computation.

Polioptila Veintiocho

If this team can just add six position players and three starters, they should be buyers at the deadline.

ClutchUp

Amazing what Lon saw. He said Buster “changed his gait” rounding third because he thought otherwise Buster may have missed third base.

90 years old and sharp as a tack 😛

@CC – I’m wondering if Flann had that Fangraphs link in his mental back pocket 😉

Matthew

CC,but the odds, numbers, graphs have nothing to do with the exact situation: Posey with no speed, Pence on deck, no outs, Arizona proving the entire series that they can execute relays…it was a time to hold, and he didn’t.

All players and all coaches make errors. In this situation, exactly as it was, E Flan.

as a good analog computer, Flannery did what made sense. I’m just supporting the decision. BTW, how many guys have the Giants left in scoring position the last three days? Flannery is an optimist, but he even he has a nose.

Dario Argento

Come on Runnnit, I know you are very passionate about the team but is it necessary to bring race into the mix?

Matthew

Bochy going righty, lefty, righty…so, the call up gets to pitch in a gigantic stress situation.

Does Gibby go with Kubel?

Polioptila Veintiocho

ClutchUp says:
July 21st, 2013 at 3:26 pm

“Amazing what Lon saw. He said Buster “changed his gait” rounding third because he thought otherwise Buster may have missed third base.”

So, the Busted Poseur needs a course in remedial base-running as well.

Reaper

Lefty, I’ve said this before. I respect Krueger when it comes to his 49ers/NFL insight, but he doesn’t know any more than the rest of us when it comes to other sports. Often, he takes hard stances on things he perceives at first glance; almost child-like.

Matthew

Dario, ignore him..that’s typical, and yes-he does, unfortunately.

carmot

Golly. Poor defense continues and could really take this win away from us.

I’m surprised that the training staff can’t even converse with Bochy and let him know who is feeling what and how bad. Isn’t that how a good staff would operate? So, the trainers knew of Affeldt’s discomfort for two weeks. Worked on it.

Bochy had no idea.

I think if you go back and look at the game, you can see some signs. I just remember wondering to myself, what it that thing Affeldt is doing with his left foot? He was rolling his ankle, with his left toes on the ground. Did after a few consecutive pitches. Like he was stretching it or something.

Plus, his walk looked a bit herky-jerky (sp?). As in not fluid. There was one pitch where he kinda held on his right leg after delivery. Like a hitch, like a pause. Before returning his left leg down.

TheNoseKnows

2nd and 3rd, nobody out. What are those favorable percentages for scoring?

Dario Argento

I love this blog and the great insights by most posters here. But, some of this stuff is really unnecessary and it ruins the experience.

TheNoseKnows

But alas, maybe a moot point

Bapah

Too typical.

Matthew

And there is our answer to the righty , lefty, righty today…worked Friday. Not today.

Welcome back, Jean.

Polioptila Veintiocho

Bochy’s Bullpen is deep!

ClutchUp

That must have felt good for Cody. Was looking for and got his pitch and is now enough of a veteran to not pull that pitch.

Win Series Fellows.

Tough spot for Just Back Machi.

Watch = Rosario will go on the DL = fingers.

Hembree to AT&T 🙂

Matthew

Is Casilla unavailable today? Getting the Posey treatment?

Tough inning.

Lefty

Clutch: That rumor surprised me, too, and for the same reason. I’d a$$umed ever since Tommy Joseph was traded that Susac was the heir apparent, the guy who’d be splitting the job with Buster and eventually taking it over when Buster moves elsewhere.

If they are really having a conversation that involves trading Susac, they must still be feeling pretty good about Hector’s future and/or seeing Buster as the everyday catcher for years to come, not just a year or two.

totalfan62

Argh, you could just feel it coming…

Well, at least we have two innings to try to score three runs.

Top of the order…

Just wondering

And … the giveaway appears complete. The Giants in fact played with no urgency and appear to have booted a game that should have been the easiest of the three games with Bum on the mound. Instead, they give away 3 runs and make almost no effort to stir up some offense. Unfortunately, it was not surprising after the first two games … wins where the pitching bailed out a passive, unopportunistic offense.

CU, and Lefty…if that rumor leads to proving the organizations confidence in Hector….OH MY GOD! There must be something in that kid that I have NOT seen. I know how much Bochy loves him…but, really?!?!

blah

This team can’t play good baseball for any significant stretch of time. Reds are going to embarrass them…again, and they’ll probably drop 2 of 3 to the Cubs. This is the same team that couldn’t take a game from the Mets a few weeks ago.

Polioptila Veintiocho

Well, that’s Gnatball.

ClutchUp

Dario Argento says:
July 21st, 2013 at 3:33 pm 194..I love this blog and the great insights by most posters here. But, some of this stuff is really unnecessary and it ruins the experience.

Dar: We’ve missed you also but it’s been out of control for awhile with those you are referring to. Dinero, JD4SF, NapaCat, Al Oha, Shellfish, Noce et al = ALL got fed up with the “JoeBlow” of the world that are here but have no passion to see the Giants fight and compete even when they lose. It was this way in JulyAugSept in 2010 (11) and 2012.

The vulgarity and the “au contraire” crowd is diabolical at times. Others (it) exist only for the sake of correction, grammar or “misspells”.

We use to kid each other (you and me) about sending you Flemming for Greenwald but now all the fun banter has been replaced by: S** Ru*** and or the Pol*** piece of pond flutter.

Stay around, you’re a quality component.

Foothills Ryan

I’m going to go out on a limb and say the Garza rumors are unsubstantiated.

If I don’t see it on MLBTR and from Bow Tie’s tweets, then it doesn’t exist. Just like the devil.

Matthew

Thankfully, Hernandez is a wreck…

Reaper

Re: trading Susac,

That idea worries me a lot too. Forget the idea of trading prospects for a rental, which I dislike. Susac has shown way more in the minors than Hector ever did. I am unimpressed with what Sanchez has to offer, especially defensively. He doesn’t get on base and his power is way overstated. Not comfortable with Hector as the backup of the future, especially if Posey normally takes days off the position.

Matthew

Pablo is back to his 2013 form….

Reaper

Nice AB Sandoval.

Just wondering

Blanco in a hurry to make an out, and Pablo swings at a ball that bounces. More urgency!

Dario Argento

Thanks, Clutch…

Keep the faith because the season isn’t over yet.

totalfan62

Come on Pablo. Show some discipline. Yeah, two-run jack would be nice, but hunt for a pitch you can handle. First pitch fastball on the outside corner? Drive that ball deep into LF vs. trying to pull it into the cove. Last pitch? Inexcusable strikeout, especially for a cleanup hitter in the bottom of the 8th. THINK.

ClutchUp

Just wondering says:
July 21st, 2013 at 3:37 pm 149..And … the *giveaway* appears complete. The Giants in fact played with *no urgency* and appear to have *booted a game* that should have been the *easiest* of the three games with Bum on the mound. Instead, they give away 3 runs and make almost *no effort* ….

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You obviously have NO clue and for the most part have never had a clue; Obviously have never been in any kind of a dugout or baseball enviorment where you *didn’t* find yourself turning to your teammate and uttering those words you have spoken above.

Having Bumgarner on the Bum(p) gave us a good feeling but the OPPOSITION in the other dugout is diligent and do their tendency filmwork in order to scratch out three runs.

You are amazing inconsistently consistent though 😉

You’re like the FAN-Tasy fan who watches a wide receiver come out of his route and slip and when the QB’s passed is picked off — turn to your seat-mate and say “Why’d he throw that Interception?”

Matthew

TF62, we certainly know that, among all of his strengths, ” think” is clearly not one of them.

Polioptila Veintiocho

“We use to kid each other (you and me) about sending you Flemming for Greenwald…”

That’s spelled “Phlegming.”

Foothills Ryan

3 Hits.

Just like I linked/said,

Delgado has the potential to blank the Giants (which may not be saying much).

Never count your chickens before they hatch.

I’ve been smokin’ a chicken on Weber in additon to grilling garden peppers and tomatoes during this ball game. Yummo! It’s a cool hundo here though. And a bit humid indoors with swamp cooler at it’s limit. Off to play baseball game pretty soon, down in the valley below…

One more cup of coffee for the road…

Look at the bright side, the A’s and Pirates got back in the win column 🙂

Matthew

Further on Pablo : his “see ball, hit ball” approach seems to work well when he is seeing it… But he is a very anxious…over anxious swinger. And, in theses game situations, the opponents know it and play around with him.

The other times:when a teammate hits a homer, and he is next up, he then swings for the fences no matter what.

He is a very undisciplined ball player in several ways, with amazing athletic ability. Therein lies the crux of his career. Right now, today, he needs to see if he can adjust his approach to the game. By contrast, Tim seemed to. Can Pablo? TBD.

Foothills Ryan

did the blog get any schadenfreude shout outs today, regarding Kemp’s injury?

Matthew

Foothills, who the effs bright side? Do you say those things just to be an irritant? It matters that the Pirates won? To who besides you on the blog? Our season is still going on. Yikes…go smoke that chicken.

ClutchUp

Wow, Matty/Total = how long before the decision to hold up? .004?

🙂 I know I know – but it will soon be WORD that Pablo needs some severe corrective eye procedure.

I think he is a marvelous on paper hitter who ONLY sees the ball about 25 feet in front of him compared to about 50+++ feet that others track the ball.

Matthew, you’re consistent, you’ve always had a “something” for Pablo’s flaws. If he were skinny like a soccer player or a 15K or 10K recreational runner BUT BUT still was undisciplined – you’d be able to continue to criticize but without the obesity clause.

Hector still hasn’t thrown out a base runner this year, as a Giant. 0-for-10 just isn’t getting it done. He still is BAD at blocking balls, IMO, especially to his right (LH batter’s box).

I am impressed with Susac, and want to see him up on the big club. Sooner than later. And yes, like others… Expected he’d be the back-up to Posey and eventually take the position when Buster moves from behind the plate.

Buster takes enough days off from catching (as he should), that we will use a back-up catcher for, what, 35 starts per season? I’m not comfortable with Hector being that guy. Hope the Brain Trust is taking this consideration seriously.

The life and energy seems totally gone from this game.

I hope this is truly just a rumor and has no substance.

MLBSF

Foothills Ryan says:
July 21st, 2013 at 3:51 pm

Look at the bright side, the A’s and Pirates got back in the win column 🙂
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And don’t forget your Dodgers.

smh

Matthew

OK, one more Krukowism that I await…:

When the pitcher, any pitcher, goes 0-2 on the hitter:

” he has him set up to go up and in, or low and away, 2 seam fastball, four seamer up, slider, change up, or a curve” the Spaghetti Call.

Brought to you by Inappropriate Gamer Babe Call Out Team.

Polioptila Veintiocho

“Wow, Matty/Total = how long before the decision to hold up? .004?

🙂 I know I know – but it will soon be WORD that Pablo needs some severe corrective eye procedure.”

In reality, the WORD is that Blobsoval needs multiple lipos or, alternatively, a gastric bypass.

ClutchUp

Just wondering says:
July 21st, 2013 at 3:47 pm 215..Blanco in a hurry to make an out, and Pablo swings at a ball that bounces. More urgency!

Sandoval needs a spouse to nag him and remind him to do well, and increase her community property interests.

doughnut

I feel like foothills Ryan can’t help but come in here when things aren’t going well and twist the knife in deeper for those of us still rooting for the G’S to win. Brutal

Matthew

CU, i am guilty as charged..in my mind, if he we’re a lean soccer type but undisciplined, he couldn’t have made it this far. But he did, and is a stud athlete. And he frustrates the heck out of me.

Pence is undisciplined in a way, and his frantic hustle overcomes it at times. Pablo is undisciplined, and his power and surprising agility overcome it. Little skinny dudes like me don’t have the “extra”s to overcome it

Reaper

I can’t deny being amused at ClutchUp going after Just Wondering here.

Matthew

Let’s see if it officially Lefty Day, Tanaka

Matthew

It’s not….

Bapah

#3

ClutchUp

DBacks are fundamentally SOUND.

Hey Roberto? NEEDED to scream NO in Japanese 😉

Reaper

Wow….THAT seems like the end for Tanaka.

H-Boston

Is it time for Pence and Belt to Double Steal?

Frankenchrist

LOL@ Tanaka

M

Boneheaded plays, all day long. You need 3 to tie Tanaka, wth were you thinking?

Matthew

With you, Reaper. That was a tragically bad day.

Dario Argento

Matt Garza is from Selma, CA which is only 30 minutes from here (Clovis) and attended high school and college in Fresno. I’m sure he’d love to pitch for the Giants on a long term basis.

carmot

Here’s Francoeur…

Who here would like to hear an “OUTTA HERE” call by Kuip?

ME!

carmot

Ugh. Instead we get “and that’s the ball game.”

Frankenchrist

Oh so close, but alas, not to be. There’s always next year. Chin up people.

TrainWreck

They’re baaaack. Yuck.

Reaper

Waiting for Lefty’s commentary. But back to the LF defense issue. Can’t kill us (or him) to bring up Brown from AAA. OF defense would improve quite a bit (Brown in CF, Blanco in LF) and if Brown goes, let’s say 240/300/360, they should be happy. Think of it like Brandon Crawford last year. Francoeur is not going to hit much better than that and Tanaka/Torres will uninspire in ways already known to us. Brown is old enough that I don’t think you can call it “rushing” him.

G’s were not sweepind Dbaks today , and that is why I left the house today and missed the entire game on purpose. What did BB9 do today? I really do not care about anyone else I jst want to know what Belt did.

Elmer Gantry

Okay, 15 National League teams and the 2013 Giants have the 4th most losses with 52.

The trade deadline is 10 days away..

I say let’s go all in and trade the farm for the repeat! 🙂

Matthew

Reaper, any other organization…our braintrust have such an aversion to bringing up young players, it likely won’t happen. I agree with you and sure hope you are right.

The Tanaka Era needs to be over. Too bad.

MLBSF

LOOOOOOOOOOL @ 254

I’m so mad you amuse me.

smh

Bapah

Bochy is not a genius. He plays Cow Pie Roulette until shown he has no other alternative but to play performers ONLY at the end of the season. Just a slow learner or “hunch” player is my bet. Too many years of this over the last 4.

Bapah, and the rest of you, work off the frustration. You all know the truth, maybe they’re just not good enough this year.

Polioptila Veintiocho

Tanaka remains a keeper.

Bapah

Personally, I think back to back WS wins is too taxing on an organization. Every other year is fine with me. Not saying I want them to fold, but it makes the year too long to win all of the time. Still rooting for the boys, but not holding much hope. If AndyS goes, I’ll be sincerely disheartened.

carmot

Hey Lefty:

I agree, I want to see Perez up. I think there’s a good chance he can be a part of our future. At least as a 4th or 5th outfielder/infield utility. His versatility is key. And maybe many didn’t see what I saw, but a lot of his outs seemed to be line drive at ’em balls IIRC.

Torres is losing value: not able to play LF and not even stealing bags. I wouldn’t be upset if the Giants DFA him right now.

I also couldn’t help but wonder, what if Pill could’ve been at the plate instead of Tanaka in the 9th.

Lefty

Reaper: That’s funny. I just wrote a livid commentary that started with “Tanaka has moved into the Ramon Ramirez/Cole Gillespie part of my brain” and proceeded from there. But you’ll have to use your imagination because I deleted it.

And I’m right there with you on Gary Brown. Except for the part where you said maybe Brown would hit .240 and Francoeur probably wouldn’t do better than that. Frenchy CERTAINLY won’t do better. He’s hitting .214 for the season. Brown is 24 and will be 25 in September. Bringing him up would not be rushing him.
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Baldy: Sorry to bum you out, but Belt went 2-4 and made a couple of really good defensive plays. Both times he got on base right after Pence did, and both times Tanaka killed the rallies.

Belt wasn’t the story today. Tanaka’s horrible day in the outfield, at the plate, and on the base paths was.

choyboy0724

So judging from the comments, the idiot convention has returned to this blog.

H-Boston

Hey CC et al,

Someone that knows more about strategy than I do, tell me why Bochy didn’t have Pence and Belt double steal? Does the pitcher have a good move? Does the catcher have a gun for an arm? Is it not a ninth inning strategy? Anybody?

ClutchUp

I think Kudos also go to Pennington for his second relay throw. As a veteran he knew exactly what and how …. if its… Didi Gregorius … he probably airmails it to the backstop.

Another thing so typical of a Gibson managed team: Their hitters hit the ball HARD back through the box. Ask Gibson if they’re trying to make somebody gun-shy with that approach and I bet he smirks and denies it.

choyboy0724

Btw Giants have to win series and they’ve done that now two series in a row but most of you don’t have enough intellegence to figure that out.

Bapah, I do wonder about that…it seemed early that the starting pitching was a victim of that…and repeating is really, really tough. Besides the target on your back, just the nature of the game.

Not saying I am giving up, or that this season is over…but it will take sterling play every game, and a little luck, and then…maybe. I believe in this team. But the competition is pretty strong…especially Foothills favorite team.

ClutchUp

H-Boston says: July 21st, 2013 at 4:22 pm 217..Hey CC et al, Someone that knows more about strategy than I do, tell me why Bochy didn’t have Pence and Belt double steal? Does the pitcher have a good move? Does the catcher have a gun for an arm? Is it not a ninth inning strategy? Anybody?

Hmmm, what if it doesn’t work? What if Gibson picks the sign and calls a pitchout? Calling for a double steal doesn’t mean it will work. The one thing one would have going for them is the “element of surprise” but when you are losing via the score its sometimes tough to be agressive. A catchers throw to third is much shorter but also since runners leading off second often times get a bigger lead — good MLB catchers are sometimes taught to throw the back runner out (Belt)

HaHa that would have sent off the Fire Works on this site 😉

Matthew

ChoyBoy, love the optimism…I think that winning 2 out of 3the rest of the way may still not be enough. I do totally appreciate your attitude, though…and hope you are proven right.

LA has won 20 of 25, and I truly feel we will need a stretch like that to pull this off.

H-Boston

ClutchUp says:

July 21st, 2013 at 4:26 pm 279..H-Boston says: July 21st, 2013 at 4:22 pm 217..Hey CC et al, Someone that knows more about strategy than I do, tell me why Bochy didn’t have Pence and Belt double steal? Does the pitcher have a good move? Does the catcher have a gun for an arm? Is it not a ninth inning strategy? Anybody?

Hmmm, what if it doesn’t work? What if Gibson picks the sign and calls a pitchout? Calling for a double steal doesn’t mean it will work. The one thing one would have going for them is the “element of surprise” but when you are losing via the score its sometimes tough to be agressive. A catchers throw to third is much shorter but also since runners leading off second often times get a bigger lead — good MLB catchers are sometimes taught to throw the back runner out (Belt)

HaHa that would have sent off the Fire Works on this site

Hey Clutch,

Thanks,

PS DID YOU PLAY?

408svl

this is it, peeps. it is good to win a series. no denying on it. but, if platooning is the way to go, wont agree. of course, i am not the manager. so, i wont a have a say. of all my years playing and watching the game of baseball, you deal with what you have. the obvious is the GIANTS don’t have a legit lead off hitter. BLANCO can’t. at best he is your 4th OF. TORRES can’t cut it anymore. he had a magic year in 2010. if the GIANTS think that is not the area that needs fixing, i don’t know what is.

Lefty, that’s good to hear abt Belt. Believe it or not I do want Belt to suceed.

ClutchUp

It also might be the curse of the NonStrut?

After a couple of ground ball bobbles last night including one tha Javy committed himself — he got out of the jam unscathed but when he turned to walk off the mound — he displayed nothing of a struttable nature.

Today? Not sure? Didn’t see but he popped a guy UP on a 3-1 count with the bases drunk.

Another guy – VU grad – Not going anywhere!

comouomo

actually none of this matters as the dodgers will win going away as i predicted at the beginning of the season (btw….i’m an ardent giant’s fan)…….also, and it truly amazers me, why does pence always get a free pass? when is the last time he’s had a real clutch hit…..i can’t stand to watch him..reminds me of watching rowand…

@Boston, I think most of us on this site played. Lefty was *killer* on her High School Softball team and Bapah and TotalFan both played Firstbase.

In all seriousness, me and Mavo played but before you were born. I was a journeyman aka bad ball player and decided coaching was the niche for me and several of my buddies who still coach together today.

HA, we even have a low budget ‘coaching tree’ of kids that we’ve coached that have now become coaches. Kids that we’ve coached in HS and College who played as long as they could, got married, had kids and now they’ve “returned” to help out. Very rewarding 😉

ClutchUp

choyboy0724 says:
July 21st, 2013 at 4:22 pm 272..So judging from the comments, the idiot convention has returned to this blog.

Choy: Yep and Yup, see Dario Argento’s post at 3:33pm

seasonofweirdness

Tanaka had a real bad day today (not ready to see him go yet), but at least he got a hit. The Giants’ 1 thru 5 hitters were 1 for 16.

Just wondering

Pence had a clutch hit Friday. I’m no defender, but fact is fact … unless you define clutch hit as “late inning” in which case, I dunno

408svl

and by the way, i have a problem sending POSEY home on SANDOVAL’s double? i would question FLANERRY on that not the manager. GIANTS would have a runner on 1st and 2nd and nobody outs with PENCE and BELT coming up. the score was 1-0 ? right? yap! got that right. ah! the GIANTS, man. even the 3rd base is stupid like us.

I have an intriguing trade target hypothesis. The Blue Jays are tanking, and suppose there were a fire sale. I’d give some thought to Crawford to 2B and Jose Reyes to SS.

TrainWreck

And now for your viewing displeasure, Boch’s No-Hit Wonders make their unwelcome, unseemly, and most untimely return.

Just when you thought it was safe to go back to the ballpark…

Doughnut

Love Flannery, I think he is one of the best in the business but sending Buster in a 1 run game with nobody out was a game changer. This all goes without saying but he HAS to make it. Not maybe, not probably, he has to get in there. The only way he should be out is if he trips and falls.
Flannery is aggressive, that is his MO and that is one of the reasons he is the best. But he knows better to gamble in this situation. He got too greedy and tried to squeeze out a run for cheap. That is a play you make with 2 outs and try and get him in.
To top it all off he was sending Buster, who is a bad baserunner and doesn’t cut the bases well at all. Also Buster needs to avoid plays at the plate as much as he can. I am all for making it close with two outs and putting the pressure on the defense but with one out it has to be a sure thing. That was anything but. I am still in a state of shock and disbelief from that play. Just can’t believe it.

how did you feel about all those runner stranded at 3B over the weekend. They scored ONE run on Francouers walk with the bases loaded and no outs. And that was just one of 3-4 situations like that. Whether you agree or not, one ought at least understand and not be surprised by Flannery’s call. The game isn’t played in a vacuum, and sooner or later one has to take into account the reality at the plate.

Doughnut

trainwreck
they weren’t going to win every game the rest of the season. It is not easy to sweep a major league team. much less a good one. Give them some time. They won the series and did what they needed to do.

@chanelclemente: i would. for this year and beyond. the GIANTS could make use of his talent. good idea. arias will be back in a week or two. plus, REYES hasn’t played much this year. got my vote on this. SABEAN, got your years on?

Lefty

CC: Well, Flannery himself says he made a mistake and that he blames himself for the loss and feels terrible about it. Too aggressive with nobody out, he said.

But to your larger point, yeah, I’d say this weekend suggests that the offensive doldrums are not gone, despite some livelier games in San Diego.

So rumors about the Giants going after Garza, Norris, Peavy–suddenly seem kind of irrelevant. The pitching was pretty darn good this weekend. The Snakes only scored six runs, and with better defense today and last night, it could have been even fewer.

Doughnut

CC
I just disagree. In my book that is a situation where you need to be conservative. Worst case 2nd and 3rd none out. If you can’t get him in after that well that sux but you can’t get him thrown out at the plate in that situation when an out still scores a run twice. I say this because I believe too many things are calculated in a vacuum with respect to baseball these days. Buster is not the guy you gamble with and really you shouldn’t gamble with anybody there. That is how i see it. And i don’t understand how your link justifies that play. Does it?

Polioptila Veintiocho

Lefty says:
July 21st, 2013 at 5:20 pm

“CC: Well, Flannery himself says he made a mistake and that he blames himself for the loss and feels terrible about it. Too aggressive with nobody out, he said.

But to your larger point, yeah, I’d say this weekend suggests that the offensive doldrums are not gone, despite some livelier games in San Diego.

So rumors about the Giants going after Garza, Norris, Peavy–suddenly seem kind of irrelevant. The pitching was pretty darn good this weekend. The Snakes only scored six runs, and with better defense today and last night, it could have been even fewer.”

Flannery is a far better musician than he is a coach, and should probably dedicate the rest of his working life to playing and recording. It is reassuring to learn, however, that at least one Gnatfan knows the difference between “less” and “fewer.”

carmot

channel:
“I have an intriguing trade target hypothesis. The Blue Jays are tanking, and suppose there were a fire sale. I’d give some thought to Crawford to 2B and Jose Reyes to SS.”

Funny how things work. Reyes didn’t want to come here as a FA, claiming something like the cold weather wouldn’t be good for his hammys. Signs with MIA. Gets flipped to TOR. Plays on astroturf now. Hey Jose, how ya like them apples.

Reyes’ value simply ain’t what it once was. I mean, like, when he signed his free agent contract . There have to be better ways to spend over $80M, and trade away our best prospects to boot.

I like the idea of Josh Johnson from TOR. Not sure what AA would ask for in return. And we’d need to extend Johnson (no rentals!). Somehow, I think they might be interested in seeing Scutaro back. Not sure it would be in our best interest to trade him now. Certainly not Scutaro for Johnson in a straight up trade.

paul in p.v.

Catch up wit youz guyz/gurlz later – watched most of today’s travesty – if I’m Madbum I’m mad too – WHY did we have a (crappy-fielding) rookie 2B-man in LF today? (For that matter, WHY did Crawford and Belt sit yesterday?? Fookin’ sick of Bochy’s platooney adventures, to quote a blogger.)
Not even going to get into sending Senor Posey home from first w/none out. Doh. The results speak for themselves.

Really just angry. snorkel

TheNoseKnows

CC. this is not your day…first thumbs up on flan sending Posey; now put craw at 2b. Yikes!

Doughnut

I like that trade. If the Giants could get Reyes that would be so huge. He complements this team perfectly and I still think he is one of the best players in this league. Don’t know what it would take but if possible I would want the Giants to pretty much give away a lot to get Reyes. Maybe eat the money and send a sheet ton of prospects.

my point was to avid the ‘vacuum’ and deal with the reality that is the Giants. Today and yesterday, we learned for instance, that neither Pence or Posey quite know how to slide. My point, I suppose, is that these guys are failing in the fundamental aspects of the game. Add the base running miscues, and it’s a problem. Until they fix that, this just an exercise in futility as far as winning is concerned. One can understand Flanery’s frustration, and willingness to take the bullet to take the pressure off ‘the team’.

I guess the Nose doesn’t know anything about the Right Reverend Bayes.

carmot

Channel:

I’m curious, why would you want to upgrade the SS position as your top priority right now? If talking to the Jays, why not try for Jose Bautista and Josh Johnson instead of Reyes?

Is it because of something like you are simply a fan of Jose Reyes? Or not a fan of Crawford? Or is it just as simple as ‘just a thought’. It seems our OF and rotation and bullpen could each have more immediate needs (than ‘upgrading’ our SS position).

YMMV.

Lefty

A move in the lower minors: SS Matt Duffy was promoted from Augusta to San Jose. He’s currently hitting .304/.401/.416/.817 with more walks than strikeouts. Also 21 steals, caught 6 times. He was a Sally League All-Star.

Duffy was drafted in the 18th round at 2012 out of Long Beach State. He’s 22 years old.

Lefty

Dear Gnatcatcher: Yes. I know many things: When to use a hyphen, the difference between “less” and “fewer,” and so much more…

But enough about me. In all sincerity, let me express my condolences about Kemp’s new injury. That guy’s a great player and you’ve got to feel for him getting hurt again on his first day off the DL. And he should have won the 2011 MVP, too–not just because Braun was a cheater but especially because Braun was a cheater.

Doughnut

Agree to disagree. I don’t know what you are getting at but bad base running is another reason not to send him but of course you know that. If you are saying the giants playing baseball is an exercise in futility and why bother with any kind of strategy because there is no point then i dont concur.

Doughnut

I don’t understand how people put down defense as being most important but want Belt to play LF and Tanaka can’t. If Belt is better in LF then Tanaka is then he is probably marginally better. But more likely Belt is probably a worse LF then Tanaka is. So how is defense so important but Belt can play. Belt was not good in LF the little he played. I have my doubts that he isn’t worse then Tanaka and he definetely isn’t going to be strengthening the defense from LF.
Tanaka has helped the G’s win games for the last week. He had an awful game. Maybe the league figured him out, maybe he is messed up mentally or maybe a bad game. But how in the world is Belt in LF any different or better then Tanaka in LF.
Blanco is our best defensive LF. Should he be playing over any other LF who is worse defensively then him. Tanaka had a bad game but he has helped them win games and he can put together good ABs as well.

no I like Crawford just fine, it’s just he hides a lack of real speed with good hands and incredible footwork. Sooner or later, he’s Jeff Keppinger, IMO. He’s a very good SS, and could be a world class 2B, and the Giants would be a better team defensively for it sooner rather than later. Middle infield is where your strong first. Sandoval/Arias, Reyes, Crawford, Belt might be the best defensive infield in baseball, IMO, were it to be.

Bautista, IMO, couldn’t survive with 82 games at AT&T, I think..and Josh Johnson is a broken toy. Everybody sees the glory of his great years, not as he is now. Same with Garza, he’s a Ranger Friday morning..and he’s out Friday evening because of his physical. What’s that about?

IMHO, when you rebuild, as I’ve said the Giants are, you don’t plug holes, you fix teams. In that vein, Sandoval gets the ultimatum this year, he’s too slow. Scoring position for him is half way down the 3B line. You can afford Posey having no foot speed, but not two slow boats to China on one team, particularly at AT&T. That’s Scutaro’s problem too, he’s lost all his range, and sloooow out there.

Right now, the Giants are no better than there record, if that.

Matthew

Lefty, and that is why I LOVE Flannery. Love him. I’m cool with mistakes. hey happen. And for him to be stand up like that is BOSS.

I disagree that he owns the loss. He was a big factor. But the team wins and the team loses.

Polioptila Veintiocho

“I have an intriguing trade target hypothesis. The Blue Jays are tanking, and suppose there were a fire sale. I’d give some thought to Crawford to 2B and Jose Reyes to SS.”

Why would any of my fellow Gnatfans want Reyes when Melky is available to strengthen the outfield?

408svl

@ carmot post 303: the GIANTS would eat almost all the money that the BLUEJAYS owes. that is what would make it works. i don’t remember ever the GIANTS wanted to sign him. there was never a conversation or an inclination the GIANTS wanted to sign him. it could save your minor league prospect and maybe other trades at the trading deadline. i believe the GIANTS are looking to trade for a LEAD OFF hitter. their WS years were base on extending the L/U. that is how it was in 2010 and 2012. sparks comes at the top of the L/U. LEAD OFF is a sore spot. i bet all of us, who loves the GIANTS, and for many, many years suffered and seen a lot of frustration. why not try to repeat and worry later about next year.

Lefty alludes to another good point about these Giants, can’t they spell OBP. I guess not any better than the starting pitching staff can spell WHIP, nearly the worst in the NL. The starting staff’s ERAs are average, to a significant degree because the relief core’s hold’s are among league worst. If I didn’t know better, I’d say the bullpen was full of Beltranesque stat monkeys. As I said, this, right now, is a fundamentally average, to below average baseball team.

TrainWreck

Only one California team is allowed to bid on highly regarded Cuban players, and, unfortunately, the Dodgers simply got their bid in sooner.

408svl

@polioptila veintiocho post 316: you are funny, man. you have a twisted mind but somehow you have other ways to make the TEAM GIANTS better. hah,hah,hah.

avwh

Posey was safe if he gets his front foot down on the plate, because the throw was to the 1B side of home plate. Not sure if the ump would have called him safe if Posey’s front foot got down, but he was that close to being in there.

Polio: Guess what franchise has the second most WS appearances behind the Yankees? The Giants. Giants: 2010 and 2012 World Series Winners. Seven franchise WS wins. That’s a lot, and more than a lot of other teams, and one more than your Dodgers. I’d really like to meet you personally so I could set you straight.

Roger Craig

Wendell Kim is a much better choice to coach 3rd base than that ex-Padre Flannery!

this Cuban comes out with 3 years of pro experience, that ‘prospect rule’ doesn’t apply.

Doughnut

408
I agree with you. The leadoff spot is hurting this team right now. They need to set the table for the buster and panda. Reyes would solve all of that. I think its not reasonable to be looking at trades but they need a better AB out of the top of the lineup.

larry

Francouer should have played today, not Tanaka. And for crissakes, Flannery should have known better than to send Posey, as he’s not that fast of a runner. Giants need to do some base running practice.
Another thing: there’s no batting instruction going on with this team.
Proof? How could history repeat itself so soon? How is it that guys who could hit in 2010 stopped hitting in 2011? How could guys who could hit in 2012 stop hitting in 2013? Where’s Will Clark?

TheNoseKnows

Must be that those who want Belt in LF would like to weaken the defense even further and use the same logic by promoting Posey for 1b, no?

CC, I do not know this new maven you’re referring to but sounds like he can statistically support Craw at 2b?

Reaper

CC @ 262,

I’m totally aware Brown has serious flaws as a hitter. But his numbers so far this summer have been much better down in AAA. I don’t think he’ll be a good hitter up here, but if he can focus on doing a few things well, people should be able to live with that given his age and the alternatives. Francouer (never going to bother trying to learn how to spell it) might get hot but everyone knows what he is and what he can do. Might as well bolster the defense and help the pitching as much we can. We aren’t getting any offense out of LF anyway.

Polioptila Veintiocho

To really improve the defense, put Brandi Belt at shortstop!

Dan Gladden

If Angel Pagan was batting leadoff he would be improving on his .314 OBP!

408svl

@avwh post 321: i guess you were right. that would be my reasoning, too. keep posting. i read almost all posting but some you can’t comment and some give you unbelievable comments.

Reaper, to tell you the truth, I knew about his anemic bat, but he made a throw to 2B/cutoff from CF that had pie thrower written all over it. For christ sake, if that’s what he got, he worse than Torres.

408svl

MLBSF; where are you? you should moderate. you are not doing your job. give us the wisdom. hah,hah,hah.

ClutchUp

aHa “Wavin” Wendall Kim 🙂

3rd base coaches are like gunslingers. Got to know what kind of bullets to use, how many loaded and who you’re shooting against.

If we have to analyze one situation we ended up futiley banging our forehead against the wall.

He should have held him. Read my post right when it happened, but the/a team has got to be able to score more runs so that coaches and one player are not seen as THE reason.

Rosario would have been a tougher match for Sorry Doc. He hunted Mach’s Splitter.

But Oh well – players can’t dwell, they’ve got a game tomorrow night..

Crawford’s their SS. And Scoots is gonna be in the LU.

Reyes isn’t coming here. He’d pull his Hammy in the first 57 degree night game

408svl

where is MR. ALEX PAVLOVIC. just like the what the song says, “let us go the other side “.

Polioptila Veintiocho

Wendell Kim will be the Gnats’ gnext manager.

choyboy0724

Again..5.5 back on july 21, won 5 out of last 7 and won the last two series. All is well right now. I like this blog but the lack of intellegence of many posters ie…. those who think the giants are rebuilding or should be sellers is a major turn off.

stickman

Lefty sez: “Belt wasn’t the problem today, Tanaka’s terrible day at the plate, in the outfield and on the basepaths was.”

THE PROBLEM is left field. Slice it any way you want. Starts with a cheapskate ownership circle who did not address the situation in the offseason. How many have played the position this season? Tanaka is only the most recent of a cascade of failed experiments. Like so many here have pointed out, Blanco is an excellent 4th outfielder. Period. Torres is hopeless away from CF. Perez didn’t get much of a shot. Peguero may have got the call too early and then got injured. Long, sad story.

Do i have a target LFer in mind? Nobody specific. We could go two ways on this ~ leadoff or batting 5th in the Enforcer spot. Looking at some fair pop or a good measure of speed. Both in one player would be very spendy in terms of prospects. Perhaps somebody who closely monitors all the teams out there may have a suggestion or two?

IMHO: The yawing and yawning gap in left needs priority attention. Another starter would be nice and another competent arm in the Pen would be icing on the cake. But when you look around there is only one situation left standing and demanding.

Polioptila Veintiocho

It is a source of endless sorrow to my fellow Gnatfans that SF has the worst outfield in the league.

MLBSF

408svl says:
July 21st, 2013 at 6:22 pm

MLBSF; where are you? you should moderate. you are not doing your job. give us the wisdom. hah,hah,hah.
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This is true. I really should.

My one piece of wisdom for tonight is something I never thought I would say.

When we got rid of Bengie Molina, I never thought we could ever possibly have another catcher as slow as fat Bengie.

Well, Buster is arguably just as slow. Clearly a better catcher, but when he runs, it’s like watching someone maneuver their way through quicksand.

smh

So Flannery should know better from now on. Buster is a slow white guy who is a liability on the bases.

carmot

From earlier…

I like the idea of seeing Escobar pitching one of the double header games too. But it does seem highly unlikely.
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Not sure why a lead-off hitter (Reyes) is a key piece to improve upon right now. We’ve got a long-term solution in Pagan. Otherwise, where would he hit, 2-hole? 7th?

How long will our Brain Trust go before deciding that a LF bat is part of the real solution? The reclamation projects just aren’t consistent enough. History shows they aren’t wiling/expecting anybody in our system to take over.

I’m not politicing for a Crawford change this year, just when its so obvious, they do it…or a better prospect at SS comes up by trade or development.

choyboy0724

MLBSF…STFU, I mean after that Buster comment, please do everyone a favor and STFU! You are definitely one of the reasons this blog is a major turn off.

ClutchUp

Poseys not A Sandoval or Fielder running but he’s catcher thick. He stuttered on his break off first and around second base @ SS He started leaking oil.

Approaching the 3rd base bag thinking his gait was out of cadence he stutter stepped in order to hit the bag. Lon Simmons saw this from the booth.

At that moment in time regardless of Flanns GO SIGN, I’m over ruling the moment and staying put.

Buster slipped coming around the Bag a month ago.

He’s not exactly Houdini – more like Jackie Gleason.

carmot

“Well, Buster is arguably just as slow. ”

Okay. I’ll argue. Buster is NOT as slow as Bengie.

If Bengie ran any slower he would’ve been going backwards. If Posey ran any slower, he just would’ve been more out at home plate.

408svl

@pv post 336: the wendell kim you and all of us know is retired and is now living in the island of beautifull OAHU, HAWAII.

ClutchUp

CC: Got ya. Another item people are gonna laugh at I’m sure:

Crawfords body composition is out of wack. He’s built like a Bull. Thick calves and Butt.

Needs to reconfigure about 8-10 lbs.

He’s VERY quick fiberish, but not fast, not fast at all.

TrainWreck

Channel, I was being facetious about the Giants sitting on their hands while the Dodgers spend on Cuban and other international players. Of course the Giants can bid on any free agent they want. They just have to be willing to open the old checkbook.

MLBSF

Looks like choyboy0724 is having another meltdown.

smh

WHY does everyone get mad at meeee for being honest.

Ok carmot, my bad. Maybe Posey is not as slow, but any grounder with a runner on is an automatic double play.

Let’s put it that way.

ClutchUp

408svl

Alex is OFF today 😉

choyboy0724

MLBSF… WHY? Because it shows your lack of intellect when you make comments like that and it seems like you only make them after losses.

Smh at you.

choyboy0724

I’d be willing to wager posey would beat your worthless backside in a race MLBSF.

To all of the baseball guru’s out there I need to say this if you never played the sport of baseball you couldn’t imagine how hard it is to run from first to home or even an inside the park home run home to home. Hitting third base heading for home can make you feel like your running in quicksand for some reason and i was a speed guy in HS and college with little power. Running the bases is a lot harder then sprinting in a straight line. I’ve played with guys who I was faster then in a straight line but they were faster then me around the bases when being timed.

TheNoseKnows

Flan played the game and knows how hard it is to run from first to home. And for a catcher. And on a surgically repaired not that long ago ankle

You really are an Oracle right?
You really donlt get it, I like Belt, I want to see him succeed
I just love harassing all you BB9 lovers with the facts that you have no counter arguements for.

2 years as a Giant 200+ games and he has a losing record while the Giants as a whol ehave a winning record..

Lefty

2hole: hahahaha. There is only ONE Oracle, and it’s definitely not me.

Nate’sFanMom

Alex Rios for Left Field.

The bunch they have now don’t cut it.

ClutchUp

Baldslick

John Stearns=Baseball Lifer now with Mariners MiLB.

Played for Phills/Mets…MLN mic’d him once with Piazza up?

Results? ” the monster is outta the cage”

Good Dude :=/

Polioptila Veintiocho

BALDHEADSLICK1 says:
July 21st, 2013 at 8:02 pm

“To all of the baseball guru’s out there I need to say this if you never played the sport of baseball you couldn’t imagine how hard it is to run from first to home or even an inside the park home run home to home. Hitting third base heading for home can make you feel like your running in quicksand for some reason and i was a speed guy in HS and college with little power. Running the bases is a lot harder then sprinting in a straight line. I’ve played with guys who I was faster then in a straight line but they were faster then me around the bases when being timed.”

Well, the Busted Poseur has been damaged goods for a couple years now. He never learned how to block the plate or run the bases properly, and he’s lucky he didn’t injure himself again today.

Lefty

Well, one thing Gnat 28 got right: Thank God Buster didn’t get injured on that play. Just another reason why that was a boneheaded play by Flannery.
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Baggarly’s write-up stopped short of hating on Tanaka, but he did say that today’s game might make Sabean “riled up enough” to look for a left fielder.

Sheesh, ya think? The current LF platoon makes the original Torres/Blanco LF platoon (remember back before Angel got hurt?) look like genius Executive of the Year stuff. Seriously. A 32-year-old middle infielder who’s never played in the major leagues until this month and a .214-hitting reject from the Kansas City Royals, who’d rather pay his $7 mil. salary for him to play for another team than have him around–and he’s reported to be a really great guy. And that’s who the defending World Champs have playing left field.

I’m not convinced at all that it’s worth the effort and expense to pry Alex Rios or whomever loose from some other team. (I also read that if the Pirates can’t get Rios, they might go after–drum roll–Nate Schierholtz!) But I would rather see one or two of the Triple A guys than what we have now. Honestly. It makes me want to throw things.

ClutchUp

Flann has Flair and not Rick.
That’s what makes him Flann
In a little slump

He sent Blanco last night and he’s out in inning one without the slide and short hop throw

Pagan kept his hammy severity quiet but the ISTPHR was Pagans swan song.

Our guys were tenative rounding sec when ball was hit anywhere near Parra

THIS not JUST in: Frenchy has to play every day!

Lefty

I miss Xavier Nady. Those were the good old days in LF. 🙁

Herbs Cane

When Carl and Alex deleted/banned “Runnnittt” all day it also stopped Sam from posting. Probably ran out of IP addys on Sunday for which to tray to use to sign in with.

Also GSDubs has been mysteriously mi$$ing. Probably cause he’s using other board names. Might even have a recent brand new avatar.

Such wasted energy. Its misguided love. Those probably actually have a crush on Belt. You know, Man Crush due to the size of his feet.