He is a hall of famer, honestly hasn't looked like one since he joined miami, shoulda gone somewhere where he would have a bigger role offensively (chicago perhaps), miami was the safe bet for the rings I guess.....

I voted for who cares....but really, people get carried away with this whole HOF thing. He will almost definitely get in, doesn't mean it'll happen his first chance. It really doesn't take that much. Basically, they'll look at how good a player he was. He was a borderline franchise player in Toronto. And now he's the 3rd fiddle, but really I'd say 2nd most important piece to what Miami actually needs to do on the court to win, on a team that will contend for a few years at least. He has a ring, and has made, what, 9 straight all-star games or something? It really doesn't take THAT much to get into the hall.

The gall of this guy. Not that I even put much stalk in the Hall of Fame anyway, considering that guys like Michael Jordan and Bill Walton are technically in the same group. Adding Chris Bosh to that list will basically soil everyone else. Have tiers in the Hall of Fame is what I say, it's controversial but at least it'll make more sense.

Are we still doing that thing where we get mad at a guy that hasn't been here in over 2 years and made a perfectly reasonable decision to go to a team with a warmer climate and better teammates to win a championship, like 99% of people would do? Or do we forgive basketball players for basically making the same decision when there are Canadian and 'scrappy'?

The gall of this guy. Not that I even put much stalk in the Hall of Fame anyway, considering that guys like Michael Jordan and Bill Walton are technically in the same group. Adding Chris Bosh to that list will basically soil everyone else. Have tiers in the Hall of Fame is what I say, it's controversial but at least it'll make more sense.

+1

Enter the Hall of Fame, and you walk into the Lobby of Very Good, where the walls are hung with photos of players like Maurice Stokes and Dennis Johnson.

Then walk down the Corridor of Quality, featuring Scottie Pippen, Joe Dumars, and others.

Finally you get to the Room of Awesome, where the real game-changers are; Jordan, Wilt, Kareem, etc.

When your visit is over, head back out to the Chris Bosh Parking Lot and drive home.

Look, maybe because I've spent years working in reality TV post production I tend to look a bit beyond the actual quote itself, but you have to consider what the 'I was a lock 4 years ago' thing actually means. Does he really mean he thought that he'd get in if his career ended after 6 seasons? Of course not, that's fucking ridiculous. He's simply not that dumb, nobody is. What it means is that when he was talking with his friends about it 4 years ago, they came to the conclusion that if his career continued on it's path, he would be a lock. And he's right. This was before all the Miami stuff, when he was a consistent 20-9 type guy. Basically the only thing that could have kept him out would have been injuries or Toronto management constantly surrounding him with shitty players. Then he goes to Miami and sacrifices numbers for wins, which in terms of convincing hall of fame voters is basically a wash.

What's hilarious about Bosh is the completely insane double standard fans hold him to. Fans want players to be themselves, to be honest and connect with them, except when it's Chris Bosh. Fans (and especially pundits) want players to be confident and feel like they're unguardable, like they can take on anyone, except when it's Chris Bosh. Anybody else says this shit and it gets dismissed as 'he's just being confident, good for him'. But because it's Bosh, he gets hammered.

It's hilarious to me how much of a punching bag he's become, and frankly he's a cautionary tale from the earliest days of social media: fans will turn on you the second they get tired of you or you fail to live up to their ridiculous standards on or off the court.

Look, maybe because I've spent years working in reality TV post production I tend to look a bit beyond the actual quote itself, but you have to consider what the 'I was a lock 4 years ago' thing actually means. Does he really mean he thought that he'd get in if his career ended after 6 seasons? Of course not, that's fucking ridiculous. He's simply not that dumb, nobody is. What it means is that when he was talking with his friends about it 4 years ago, they came to the conclusion that if his career continued on it's path, he would be a lock. And he's right. This was before all the Miami stuff, when he was a consistent 20-9 type guy. Basically the only thing that could have kept him out would have been injuries or Toronto management constantly surrounding him with shitty players. Then he goes to Miami and sacrifices numbers for wins, which in terms of convincing hall of fame voters is basically a wash.

What's hilarious about Bosh is the completely insane double standard fans hold him to. Fans want players to be themselves, to be honest and connect with them, except when it's Chris Bosh. Fans (and especially pundits) want players to be confident and feel like they're unguardable, like they can take on anyone, except when it's Chris Bosh. Anybody else says this shit and it gets dismissed as 'he's just being confident, good for him'. But because it's Bosh, he gets hammered.

It's hilarious to me how much of a punching bag he's become, and frankly he's a cautionary tale from the earliest days of social media: fans will turn on you the second they get tired of you or you fail to live up to their ridiculous standards on or off the court.

I think you're completely wrong. From what I've read, most people (regardless of their personal feelings towards Bosh prior) were just completely put off by the arrogance of any player to simply assume they are a lock for the HOF. He had a few decent statistical years, won the popularity contest of the all-star game a few times and won a championship ring as the third banana on a star-studded team that most NBA purists already put an asterisk beside due to the anti-competitive manner they won it. Even players like Magic, Larry and Jordan were never so arrogant and condescending when talking about their careers and the HOF - they were much more modest in their personal exploits in relation towards the hallowed hall. I don't care who said it, what teams he ever played for, or what he ever did on or off the court. I would be appalled at anybody who talked about himself and the HOF the way Bosh did.

The stuff about 4 years ago is a bit arrogant because sometimes bad things happen.

But if you think about how good he has been and the level he was playing at 4 years ago, of course he could have said that (and had the right to do so). Personally I wouldn't have because you just never know due to unforeseen injuries, but at his talent level YES, 4 years ago he was already on his way to the HOF.

Even players like Magic, Larry and Jordan were never so arrogant and condescending when talking about their careers and the HOF - they were much more modest in their personal exploits in relation towards the hallowed hall.

You have absolutely no way of knowing that guys like Magic, Larry or Jordan never said something similar, because the media scrutiny during their era was about 1/10th of what it is now. So don't state that as fact as if you can somehow back it up. You honestly can't see Jordan, one of the most arrogant players in league history, saying something similar?

CalgaryRapsFan wrote:

I don't care who said it, what teams he ever played for, or what he ever did on or off the court. I would be appalled at anybody who talked about himself and the HOF the way Bosh did.

Then you care far more about some sort of pointless reverence for the HoF than you should. Does it honestly mean that much to you? Because it shouldn't.

Just for a little perspective, Mario Chalmers recently declared he was a top-10 point guard in the NBA, and not down at the bottom of the 10, somewhere in the middle.

Now that statement is clearly far more ridiculous than Bosh's, but a) nobody cares, and b) it's just considered the standard NBA bravado. But somehow because Bosh is talking about the HoF, his statement is 'appalling'? Would you feel the same way if Dwight, or Pau had said it? Would anyone care as much? I highly doubt it.

Look, maybe because I've spent years working in reality TV post production I tend to look a bit beyond the actual quote itself, but you have to consider what the 'I was a lock 4 years ago' thing actually means. Does he really mean he thought that he'd get in if his career ended after 6 seasons? Of course not, that's fucking ridiculous. He's simply not that dumb, nobody is. What it means is that when he was talking with his friends about it 4 years ago, they came to the conclusion that if his career continued on it's path, he would be a lock. And he's right. This was before all the Miami stuff, when he was a consistent 20-9 type guy. Basically the only thing that could have kept him out would have been injuries or Toronto management constantly surrounding him with shitty players. Then he goes to Miami and sacrifices numbers for wins, which in terms of convincing hall of fame voters is basically a wash.

What's hilarious about Bosh is the completely insane double standard fans hold him to. Fans want players to be themselves, to be honest and connect with them, except when it's Chris Bosh. Fans (and especially pundits) want players to be confident and feel like they're unguardable, like they can take on anyone, except when it's Chris Bosh. Anybody else says this shit and it gets dismissed as 'he's just being confident, good for him'. But because it's Bosh, he gets hammered.

It's hilarious to me how much of a punching bag he's become, and frankly he's a cautionary tale from the earliest days of social media: fans will turn on you the second they get tired of you or you fail to live up to their ridiculous standards on or off the court.

ya.... i can see how you look beyond the quote... because you completely misquoted him.

he didn't say he was a lock for the HOF... he said "I've been a Hall of Famer like four years ago."

if he said "i can see myself getting into the hall in the future"... or "i feel like i've laid down the groundwork for what will be seen as a hall of fame career"... i'd be totally cool with that... i'd almost agree with that, and i'm a notorious bosh hater.. look at my avatar

but that's NOT what he said. he proclaimed himself a hall of famer. four years ago, no less.

nobody's asking him to not be confident... i hate him, and i want him to be confident... i want EVERYBODY to be confident... there's nothing worse than a person who doesn't have faith in themselves..

except a person who spews self-aggrandizing arrogant proclamations.. i want those people to get punched in the fu$%ing face..

ya.... i can see how you look beyond the quote... because you completely misquoted him.

he didn't say he was a lock for the HOF... he said "I've been a Hall of Famer like four years ago."

if he said "i can see myself getting into the hall in the future"... or "i feel like i've laid down the groundwork for what will be seen as a hall of fame career"... i'd be totally cool with that... i'd almost agree with that, and i'm a notorious bosh hater.. look at my avatar

but that's NOT what he said. he proclaimed himself a hall of famer. four years ago, no less.

Oh, I'm sorry. You must be one of those people that says exactly what they mean in completely unambiguous phrasing every time you open your mouth and expects everyone else to be held to the same standard. Weird that you type so disjointedly then.

Gimme a fucking break, my point still stands. Nobody gets into the Hall of Fame with 6 seasons under their belt, no matter how good they were, and I'm pretty sure the players know that. Use your brain.

Oh, I'm sorry. You must be one of those people that says exactly what they mean in completely unambiguous phrasing every time you open your mouth and expects everyone else to be held to the same standard. Weird that you type so disjointedly then.

Oh, I'm sorry. You must be one of those people that says exactly what they mean in completely unambiguous phrasing every time you open your mouth and expects everyone else to be held to the same standard. Weird that you type so disjointedly then.

Oh, I'm sorry. You must be one of those people that says exactly what they mean in completely unambiguous phrasing every time you open your mouth and expects everyone else to be held to the same standard. Weird that you type so disjointedly then.

Gimme a fucking break, my point still stands. Nobody gets into the Hall of Fame with 6 seasons under their belt, no matter how good they were, and I'm pretty sure the players know that. Use your brain.

easy there, cupcake.

i actually agree with your second paragraph.

what i'm saying is he's a douche for saying what he actually said and not for what you interpreted that he meant.

it's like if a chick in my office came up to me and said "ya, i'm the hottest piece of ass in this place"... no matter how hot she actually was, i'd think she was a cu*t.