it's hard to pick out through your rant, but i think you are trying to say that dosing is more complex than just weighing? am i understanding you correctly?

if so, yes. i agree with you. this whole process is complex and full of variables. the more variables you eliminate, the easier it is to control. weighing both the dose and the extraction eliminates two of them. i'm not in it for the challenge. i'm in it for the taste, and the easier i can make it on myself, the better... so i eliminate variables. if you've got some kind of zen thing going on where you are digging the extra burden by letting weights run free, good on you. i assume you are going into it with your eyes wide open.

i make these posts periodically, because i worry that non-weighers enthusiasm for their cause will rub off on newbies and hurt them in their journey, because they do not know any better.

I will simplify my question so you can understand it. Given everything in making espresso,over a period of time does dosing and or weighing out the coffeealways give you the same results 100 percent of the time?If not why do it? Oh and im no Newb Ive been making great espresso everyday for five years. I load it,tamp to 30 lbs and look for a 30 second pull. If it doesn't always give you the same results then it seems a ritual or non useful function which in a way islike adding weight to your backpack, thus making the journey a little longer and harder. Does it provide constant exactly the same results?Maybe Im doing the same exact thing because I always fill my portafilter to the same place. Kind of a way to do it by eye without the obsessive ritual.Hmmm interesting thought.

dagoat Said:

it's hard to pick out through your rant, but i think you are trying to say that dosing is more complex than just weighing? am i understanding you correctly?

if so, yes. i agree with you. this whole process is complex and full of variables. the more variables you eliminate, the easier it is to control. weighing both the dose and the extraction eliminates two of them. i'm not in it for the challenge. i'm in it for the taste, and the easier i can make it on myself, the better... so i eliminate variables. if you've got some kind of zen thing going on where you are digging the extra burden by letting weights run free, good on you. i assume you are going into it with your eyes wide open.

i make these posts periodically, because i worry that non-weighers enthusiasm for their cause will rub off on newbies and hurt them in their journey, because they do not know any better.

This week my little Brevilley celebrates her first birthday. It has been a wonderful year of good coffee, fun with roasting, predictable shots, and trouble-free operation. The machine turns herself on every morning, I load her up with a measured dose of fresh-ground coffee, and enjoy the tastes and aromas of my espresso. Every once in a while, I make a cappuccino or a latte, but that typically happens only when the bean I have on hand isn't that great. I roast my own, so a lot of beans and roasts are experiments that didn't pan out.

To celebrate Brevilley's birthday, I gave her a nice little "clean me" cycle with Cafiza and a true blind,took off her screen and cleaned it up, and cleaned and calibrated her best friend Vario. I'm wondering if I shouldn't take her skin off and peer into her guts to complete the festivities. I'm not going to mess with her seals on the theory that once opened, they will need to replaced even if they're working fine so far (which they are.)

it's hard to pick out through your rant, but i think you are trying to say that dosing is more complex than just weighing? am i understanding you correctly?

if so, yes. i agree with you. this whole process is complex and full of variables. the more variables you eliminate, the easier it is to control. weighing both the dose and the extraction eliminates two of them. i'm not in it for the challenge. i'm in it for the taste, and the easier i can make it on myself, the better... so i eliminate variables. if you've got some kind of zen thing going on where you are digging the extra burden by letting weights run free, good on you. i assume you are going into it with your eyes wide open.

i make these posts periodically, because i worry that non-weighers enthusiasm for their cause will rub off on newbies and hurt them in their journey, because they do not know any better.

Thanks to everyone who has "weighed in" on this subject....nice to know that weighing is just a part of the process and I'm not as crazy as those people who are watching me, telling me I'm crazy. You're all right.....when I weigh the grind, and time/weight the shot, and then taste the goodness, I know what people are saying here is true....and I've been drinking the espresso and lattes straight, no syrup, no sugar....the coffee taste is why I invested in my equipment.

Awesome and congratulations. Seven years ago I took back my Breville 800 ESXL because it just couldn't make espresso and came here for help. Got a Gaggia Classic and went on. I have been more into making and drinking espressothan hanging out here and i was unaware of Breville coming out with this. I still have a bad taste in my mouth over the 800 ESXL but am glad to see they went back to the drawing board and are getting positive reviews. I read all of Marks review. You have every right to be a proud owner and I hope it gives you years of service. You seem very very happy. Congratulations. :) : )

BubbaDude Said:

This week my little Brevilley celebrates her first birthday. It has been a wonderful year of good coffee, fun with roasting, predictable shots, and trouble-free operation. The machine turns herself on every morning, I load her up with a measured dose of fresh-ground coffee, and enjoy the tastes and aromas of my espresso. Every once in a while, I make a cappuccino or a latte, but that typically happens only when the bean I have on hand isn't that great. I roast my own, so a lot of beans and roasts are experiments that didn't pan out.

To celebrate Brevilley's birthday, I gave her a nice little "clean me" cycle with Cafiza and a true blind,took off her screen and cleaned it up, and cleaned and calibrated her best friend Vario. I'm wondering if I shouldn't take her skin off and peer into her guts to complete the festivities. I'm not going to mess with her seals on the theory that once opened, they will need to replaced even if they're working fine so far (which they are.)

This week my little Brevilley celebrates her first birthday. It has been a wonderful year of good coffee, fun with roasting, predictable shots, and trouble-free operation. The machine turns herself on every morning, I load her up with a measured dose of fresh-ground coffee, and enjoy the tastes and aromas of my espresso. Every once in a while, I make a cappuccino or a latte, but that typically happens only when the bean I have on hand isn't that great. I roast my own, so a lot of beans and roasts are experiments that didn't pan out.

To celebrate Brevilley's birthday, I gave her a nice little "clean me" cycle with Cafiza and a true blind,took off her screen and cleaned it up, and cleaned and calibrated her best friend Vario. I'm wondering if I shouldn't take her skin off and peer into her guts to complete the festivities. I'm not going to mess with her seals on the theory that once opened, they will need to replaced even if they're working fine so far (which they are.)

Seriously, congrats! I haven't had mine all that long so I'm "going to school" on your set-up (see my equipment list).Maybe you could have an anniversary special shot???? Maybe make an "Irish Coffee"??? lol

I took mine to a party last night (yep I keep the box handy) and it performed flawlessly! 25-30 shots and I may have "sold" a couple more units (Breville kindly contact me RE: commissions) lmao.

You are right. it is not user fixable. However, Breville has bee great at honouring replacement. Let's us know if they provide an answer as to what is triggering that message. The Err messages are not coming up very often which is good news.

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