And here we go with the un-informed beating to death of yet another subject.

Dude, The BLM (Bureau of Land Management) Sets the maximum population cap for Burning Man. So that means that there are only a certain number of tickets that can be sold. Which means that only that many people can buy tickets...

But I might as well fart this in morse code for all the understanding it will give.

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BLM sets the population limits, but BMHQ--while on probationary status with the BLM--reportedly decided to sell >50,000 tickets for this year's festival before BMHQ obtained this year's BLM permit. Tail wagging the dog, or just good pillow-talk between Larry and BLM. .

Yeah, so? There wasn't a question of if they were going to get the permit.. it was a question of how many they were going to get it for.

You think that there isn't a good amount of behind the scenes communication after all these years? Thank dog there is.

*yawn*

segregorich wrote:BLM sets the population limits, but BMHQ--while on probationary status with the BLM--reportedly decided to sell >50,000 tickets for this year's festival before BMHQ obtained this year's BLM permit. Tail wagging the dog, or just good pillow-talk between Larry and BLM. .

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I do not believe it was brought about due to greed by the BMORG. As my economics instructor used to say, "Every action has unintended consequences." If they would have simply just put tickets on sale like all the other years, it most likely would have been a much better situation for most of us involved. It is extremely doubtful that ticket demand has increased from 100% of my camp having access to tickets months after they went on sale to only 25% getting tickets with no tickets available just hours after they go on sale. Somebody got those tickets.

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burning man should have sold out in.. 2007.. (it might be argued 2008 technically should have sold out based on the population change from 2006-2008..)....it should have sold out in 2010 as well....and did sell out in 2011... and now again in 2012.

this whole 'probation' thing is like 5 years late!.. they totally blatently oversold (by my reading of the documents) 2 times and didnt get knocked for it until the 3rd time.

burning man greed ? maybe?.. theyve at least been skating on thin ice for a while when it comes to pushing up against that BLM limit...

Yes, it was due to an increase in ticket demand, but not to the extreme degree where tickets are available for months after they go on sale one year to being sold out in hours the next. I'd bet $100 that if we could go in a time travel machine, and if they would have quietly put tickets on sale like normal, that it would not have been this bad. The interest and hype leading up to the lottery was extreme.

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Yes, it was due to an increase in ticket demand, but not to the extreme degree where tickets are available for months after they go on sale one year to being sold out in hours the next. I'd bet $100 that if we could go in a time travel machine, and if they would have quietly put tickets on sale like normal, that it would not have been this bad. The interest and hype leading up to the lottery was extreme.

If everyone who wanted ticked only tried to get what they actually needed, I bet there would not have been any issues.

In principle, the ticket lottery was not a bad thing.

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Zeke Chaparral wrote: and if they would have quietly put tickets on sale like normal, that it would not have been this bad.

Since when have they ever gone on sale quietly? Honestly- people post every year starting in what, October?, asking when the next years tickets will go on sale. People plan their "first-day ticket-getting" strategies to get lower tiers. It's publicized in the media, on email lists, via camps, on facebook....

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Zeke Chaparral wrote:The lottery would have worked fine if they would have put names/pictures on the tickets and announced that they may or may not check for them at the gate.

How does having pictures/names on the tickets address the fact that more tickets were requested than exist? HOW?

Then people would have only ordered the tickets they needed for themselves. I personally know somebody who put in 8 orders in using multiple cards/friends. It would not do me a whole lot of good to have more than one ticket that says Zeke Chaparral. It would not do me any good to dream up a name and post some picture only to sell/gift it to somebody who has a different name/picture.

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Zeke Chaparral wrote:The lottery would have worked fine if they would have put names/pictures on the tickets and announced that they may or may not check for them at the gate.

How does having pictures/names on the tickets address the fact that more tickets were requested than exist? HOW?

Then people would have only ordered the tickets they needed for themselves. I personally know somebody who put in 8 orders in using multiple cards/friends. It would not do me a whole lot of good to have more than one ticket that says Zeke Chaparral. It would not do me any good to dream up a name and post some picture only to sell/gift it to somebody who has a different name/picture.

So, you are saying that most burners are selfish and inconsiderate? And that it is Burning Man who needs to keep people honest?

I say again, the lottery issues were caused by the people trying to get tickets, it is not a BM Org issue...

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stretch80 wrote:How does having pictures/names on the tickets address the fact that more tickets were requested than exist? HOW?

Then people would have only ordered the tickets they needed for themselves. I personally know somebody who put in 8 orders in using multiple cards/friends. It would not do me a whole lot of good to have more than one ticket that says Zeke Chaparral. It would not do me any good to dream up a name and post some picture only to sell/gift it to somebody who has a different name/picture.

So, you are saying that most burners are selfish and inconsiderate? And that it is Burning Man who needs to keep people honest?

I say again, the lottery issues were caused by the people trying to get tickets, it is not a BM Org issue...

I'm just saying that if they would have quietly put tickets on sale like all the years before instead of making such a big deal about it, fewer burners would be ticketless.

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Zeke Chaparral wrote:I'm just saying that if they would have quietly put tickets on sale like all the years before instead of making such a big deal about it, fewer burners would be ticketless.

Once the tickets sold out for the first time, there was no turning back. From that moment on, there is a possibility of a ticket sell out. Which, puts the BM tickets in the scalpers radar. First come, first serve is a scalper's dream. Thus the lottery.

There was such an uproar when the tickets did sell out for the first time ever, that quiet essentially was not going to happen.

I stand by my statement that it was the people gaming the ticket lottery that caused the so-called lottery failure. I would love to hear some other rational reason....

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