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So then why when you change ownership of the car the new person has to get safety..

That's untrue. The new person does not have to get a safety, matter of fact you only need a valid safety certificate specific to that car to register it in your name (like everyone said valid for 36 days only). Whether that safety is done by you, the future owner, the previous owner or whoever it may have been, as long as it isn't expired when you're at the MTO, you can use it to register the car in your name. But obviously since most people keep their cars for longer than 36 days before they sell them, it seems like you HAVE to get a safety when you buy one. The reason people ask for a safety prior to changing owners in a sale is to A) Make sure it doesn't require any repairs/parts for safety, obviously. and B) To give them one less thing to worry about when they go register the vehicle, all they'd require would be a bill of sale, a signed ownership, the taxes for the vehicle and valid plates and insurance. (and an appraisal if your car is too old and has no blue book value)

Thats a lot of extra work for a potential buyer and leaves the door open to get burned.

Its not on the buyers shoulders to make sure the car is up to par. Of course if one wants an inspection on top of a safety its something you can arrange between yourself or they can do it on their own once they buy it.

The guidelines for a safety are pretty silly and open. Its almost up to the eye of the beholder so to speak.
so your mechanic says its cool...(but they dont do safety certs there). you buy it. take it to some place for safety and they ding you for a few things. not so fun.

Ive been to have cars safety'd before and the donkey put things down like new calipers needed when they were brand new. lol

so better save then sorry. have the seller deal with getting their car ready to sell and go from there.

if im buying something thats 5k or more(that i want to drive soon) i wont bother with as is cars.

Sorry but what you say does not really make sense... you say the seller should safety the car...

And you say the guidelines are silly for safety and open... So then why the hell do you find it so important to have safety as a buyer...

If i know a mechanic i could go and have him certify any car for me... and then be like hey heres a car its safetied..

Personally if im getting a car id rather go to the mechanic myself (as a buyer) and have him inspect it then safety it.

makes perfect sense. Sorry you dont understand...

and ya plenty of people get bogus safety's ...im not saying you should just trust a safety either. Obviously you need to check the car out thoroughly yourself or have a trust shop/mechanic do it.

The safety is still a step the seller should take care. you can dance around it all you like but no amt of excuses make up for a lazy and cheap seller

A seller not interested in getting a safety done says something to me.... usually thats "stay away from that car" Unless im looking at cheaper cars which I know there will be things needed to fix .

Bottom line is a safety is needed regardless. And imho its up to the seller to handle it. 9.9 times out of 10 they wont safety because something is wrong.
if im dropping 10k on a car (for example) it better come safety'd. Even if it needs work later (which it will)at least that silly step has been crossed off the list and Im not delayed in having a car that is driveable.

If you buy a car that has a leaky shock(for example)...that wont pass safety. so you cant drive the car(until you fix it and get it safety'd again which is a hassle with temp plates and/or towing). that doesnt mean the car actually isnt driveable ...but life happens and you might need a few weeks to get around to fixiing it... If you bought it without a safety you are screwed. If it came with a safety you can still drive it and fix it later. (just a quick example)

this is not hard to understand.

and people arguing against providing a safety speaks a lot about you imho.

and people arguing against providing a safety speaks a lot about you imho.

O jeeez, here we go, being dramatic and all...... that really should speak volumes, ofcourse.

anyway, i completely get your point, but that is a personal perspective, not necessarily the norm.

If I was selling a car, I wouldn't certify right off the bat(and have it sit until it possibly expires), but only do it once a deposit and an agreement of some kind is made with the purchaser. I will definitely have a pre cert inspection done which I can show to potential buyers to show the state of the vehicle.

On another note, I always get the cars I am buying (for cars worth a few K and up) etested on my own dime (if they aren't already). Brakes and shocks don't worry me. But failed cats, o2 sensors, or burnt valves which won't pass etest, do.

SiR .. It's not the norm, it varies on how people feel... I bought the car and it wasn't safetied... but I did take it to check it out, then safetied it, big deal?

Reason i haven't done it is because I need a new battery (which I will get today), my car is on fire and theft insurance, and my sticker expired in march... So for me to go get a sticker and whatever else it needs is a hassle...

If I was selling a car, I wouldn't certify right off the bat(and have it sit until it possibly expires), but only do it once a deposit and an agreement of some kind is made with the purchaser. I will definitely have a pre cert inspection done which I can show to potential buyers to show the state of the vehicle.

Im not saying it has to be done right off the bat especially if you are asking top dollar and expect a long process to get rid of it. I think waiting to safety is perfectly fine.
Youre still providing it for the new buyer at the end of the day. That to me means you stand behind your car/sale. Even if the safety standards are wide open.
In my experience people wont safety a car period because they know it wont pass.

Its the seller selling the car. Youre supposed to put in the time and effort to sell.Not command top dollar to off load something that needs work and cause issues for the new buyer.

again theres a reason that car hasnt sold and it looks like this is one big reason. results speak volumes. safety/cert/etest and that car wouldve been gone before winter.
Its the norm to provide a safety for a quality/top dollar car. But I guess you can keep giving excuses and hold onto the car some more.