Moving is not an option. My family is here. My businesses and property are here. Selling everything and leaving my family to move to another state would be insane for me to do.

OK, you've made a decision based on your personal needs. It sucks that the LASD won't recognize your 2nd Amendment rights. That's probably not going to change soon. If I'm wrong we'll all be dance'n in the streets.

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It sucks that the LASD won't recognize your 2nd Amendment rights. That's probably not going to change soon. If I'm wrong we'll all be dance'n in the streets.

Don't do that, they will cite you for dancing in the street without a permit...
And then they will attempt to use that as justification for denial of a CCW. You know that people who dance in the street are unstable...

Well, I am considering turning my app in for a CCW. Will start with my city first. I will keep you posted. I have a lot of research and fact finding to do on my background. From what I have researched currently, I don't expect much. At least I will have filed and have the records.

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I just signed up for this forum, can't read it all. I am in Monrovia, I want a CCW, I want to freely open carry loaded w/o issue. I want my freedom and I DO NOT HAVE IT. ONLY the criminals have guns! A Los Angeles Sheriff I spoke to last week said this;

WHOEVER IS THE LOUDEST WILL GET THERE WAY IN SACREMENTO.

Open carry is dangerous, if you notice you will never see OC advocates practicing OC in Compton or other gang infested areas, because a criminal KNOWS you are UNLOADED and all's he has to do is pull his gun and say"Give Me Your Weapon" and it is TRUE! Open Carry unloaded needs to be changed to open carry, loaded, OR ISSUE CCW Permits! DAM!

IF FOLKS IN NORWAY WERE ARMED EIGHTY+ CHILDREN WOULD BE ALIVE TODAY.

I can't read it all, if there is a local group that needs help contact me.

I just signed up for this forum, can't read it all. I am in Monrovia, I want a CCW, I want to freely open carry loaded w/o issue. I want my freedom and I DO NOT HAVE IT. ONLY the criminals have guns! A Los Angeles Sheriff I spoke to last week said this;

WHOEVER IS THE LOUDEST WILL GET THERE WAY IN SACREMENTO.

Open carry is dangerous, if you notice you will never see OC advocates practicing OC in Compton or other gang infested areas, because a criminal KNOWS you are UNLOADED and all's he has to do is pull his gun and say"Give Me Your Weapon" and it is TRUE! Open Carry unloaded needs to be changed to open carry, loaded, OR ISSUE CCW Permits! DAM!

IF FOLKS IN NORWAY WERE ARMED EIGHTY+ CHILDREN WOULD BE ALIVE TODAY.

I can't read it all, if there is a local group that needs help contact me.

PISSED OFF I AM! 80 Kids DEAD~ E I G H T Y KIDS D E A D <

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This is quite an interesting first post. Loaded open carry in California would require the repealing of the Mulford Act of 1967. A more likely alternative would be a shall issue policy for CCW which CGF, has been working on for a number of years now. They have even attained that policy in several counties including Sacramento.

If you want to support the cause I recommend reading this thread in it's entirety as well as some others in the CCW forum and making a generous donation to CalGuns Foundation.

I just signed up for this forum, can't read it all. I am in Monrovia, I want a CCW, I want to freely open carry loaded w/o issue. I want my freedom and I DO NOT HAVE IT. ONLY the criminals have guns! A Los Angeles Sheriff I spoke to last week said this; WHOEVER IS THE LOUDEST WILL GET THERE WAY IN SACREMENTO. Open carry is dangerous, if you notice you will never see OC advocates practicing OC in Compton or other gang infested areas, because a criminal KNOWS you are UNLOADED and all's he has to do is pull his gun and say"Give Me Your Weapon" and it is TRUE! Open Carry unloaded needs to be changed to open carry, loaded, OR ISSUE CCW Permits! DAM! Artisan

I feel your frustration, I lived in Stanislaus Co. from '87 until this year w/out a CCW and felt like I was being treated like a child. The good sheriff finally saw the light what with budget cuts and staff layoffs decimating his agency. So today he issues with "Personal Protection" being sufficient good cause. Now I carry EVERYWHERE unless I'm going to work. The day will come when LA will have to cave in and issue on the same basis but it ain't just right around the corner (I'd be tickled pink to be wrong on that one!).

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Carrying large amounts of cash is NOT good cause in LA. My friend owns a check cashing business in Torrance. He has had attempted arm robberies perpetrated upon him. They told him to use a armor car service instead.

BTW- What is the likelihood of getting one in a small city...Culver, Redondo, Hermosa, etc.

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Carrying large amounts of cash is NOT good cause in LA. My friend owns a check cashing business in Torrance. He has had attempted arm robberies perpetrated upon him. They told him to use a armor car service instead.

BTW- What is the likelihood of getting one in a small city...Culver, Redondo, Hermosa, etc.

And if your friend lived in Redondo he would have a much better chance...

I met a LTC holder at the range several years ago, he owneed a check cashing business and lived in Redondo..

And if your friend lived in Redondo he would have a much better chance...

I met a LTC holder at the range several years ago, he owneed a check cashing business and lived in Redondo..

wonder if thats him. he does live in redondo. got the permit because he was involved in a shoot out - had it for four years. they wouldnt renew

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I will wait to hear fronm the group until I take the Sheriff's route.. But I do work for a lpcal agency where I know the COP very well.. I may inquire with her if she would be willing to give me a ccw...

Carrying large amounts of cash is NOT good cause in LA. My friend owns a check cashing business in Torrance. He has had attempted arm robberies perpetrated upon him. They told him to use a armor car service instead.

BTW- What is the likelihood of getting one in a small city...Culver, Redondo, Hermosa, etc.

I have "off the record" inquired with the City of Redondo Beach's City Attorney (who is elected here) Mike Webb. He is a big 2A supporter (Tea Party candidate) and from what I know supports the LTC idea. He even stated that RBPD has applications at the front desk.. Now for Chief Leonardi, I really do not know his position on issuance. I am debating should I submit an application or wait for the movement?