@wit wolfy i think pete is more than willing to give people freedom the problem is i don't think MS are, fable was a success so lionhead became the fable studio and it all went down hill from there. Bungie left because MS wouldn't let them make anything else. Same with rare alot of the talent left, One day MS will wake up and treat game devs like film directors and let them do what they want, nobody wants to make the same thing over and over.

They could very well come out with this, I hope and trust that MM will have a lot of say in the creation process... With all new expansive creation tools at the ready. Plus new gameplay elements now available due to extra power...

The new MM IP has been in the works for 3 years now including R&D... I hope that this is the one that rears it's beautiful head... With LBP 3 later in 14', don't get me wrong, I have LBP series at my top 3 games this gen... I hope they give it the 3D treatment, open it up,sandbox would be ideal, a massive open World to explore...

I still hope for Naughty dog's new IP and The last guardian too...Greedy I know...I know...

I love when guys like you try to misrepresent everyone's opinions to try to make a point.

Sequels aren't the issue. It's the dependence on a select few that people don't like, and in that case, Sony and MS couldn't be further apart. Compare the list of published games. It's easy to see the difference.

But, no... go ahead. Keep on pretending it's just the fact that it's a sequel that people take issue with. Reality is too inconvenient to deal with anyway.

"Compare the list of new IPs this gen and let us know how big of a difference is."

And why would I do that? This has nothing to do with overall new IPs since 2005, which were clearly more frequent and of higher quality back then. People want MS to go back to that strategy. The bulk of the criticism has to do with MS's recent strategy of relying on the same few core franchises over the past three or four years while focusing on Kinect. MS has actually released fewer games from 2010 onward than they did from launch to 2010. And guess how many prior to that used Kinect. Z E R O. If you understand the concept of subtraction, it's painfully obvious traditional games have been neglected by MS.

Maybe that's why some people act like the criticism is unjustified. Just like Midnight, you don't even seem to understand what the criticism is in the first place. Don't worry. MrBeatdown is here to help you understand.

Since you're into comparing lists, why don't we look at MS's recent publishing habits versus Sony's. Let's look at all the big released or upcoming retail franchises since 2010. You know... the recent stuff people are actually taking issue with.

Lol PS4 is likely launching this year and PS3 is still getting multiple NEW IPs in its 7th year. The Last Of Us, Beyond Two Souls, Puppeteer, etc. So be selective all you want. Your trolling is pathetic and boring at this point. And don't sit here and act like it isn't smart business to launch a new console with established franchises.

No, actually he doesn't. Constantly trolling Sony related articles invalidates any sort of point he tries to get across. All he is is a fanboy mocking other fanboys. Surprise f*cking surprise that Sony fanboys would root for Playstation sequels and bash Microsoft sequels. But don't make it seem like it's a general statement for every pro PlayStation member on this site.

Unfortunately (and unsurprisingly) you didn't respond to any point I made. Instead you just do what you always do... you distract from the actual criticism I explained by making it out to be nothing more than an issue of sequels versus new IPs. Maybe it's because you're just that hellbent on defending MS. Maybe it's because you just aren't capable or processing any logic that goes beyond "SEQUELS BAD! NEW IPS GOOD!"

Either way, you ignore the actual criticism.

It's not purely about sequels. It's not just about new IPs. But that's what you twist it into, so you can cry hypocrisy alongside Midnight. You oversimplify the criticism. You make the argument out to be something far more simplistic than it is so you don't have to acknowledge that so many people have a valid criticism. You did the same thing here too...

When you can't defend MS from the criticisim, you try to pretend the criticism is something different.

The facts are plainly obvious... MS has distilled their line-up down to Halo, Gears, and Forza over the past few years, and put all the effort that once went into the likes of PGR, Lost Odyssey, Perfect Dark, and Crackdown into Kinect dancing games and a bunch of mediocre games with "Kinect" in the game title.

The facts don't lie, whether people like you and Midnight want to hear it or not... MS has become overly dependent on the same three IPs and put all the rest of their publishing efforts into lousy Kinect games, and for that, the variety of non-Kinect games has gone down the toilet.

People want more variety from Microsoft when it comes to traditional controller based games... more than just Gears, Halo, and Forza. That's the criticism. And it's a criticism that has plenty of validity, regardless of whether or not you want to accept it.

People like you try to make Sony out to be the same so you can cry hypocrisy when fans treat Sony and MS differently, but Sony hasn't turned their publishing into nothing more than a factory for a line-up limited to GT, Killzone, and Uncharted, and a pile of mediocre Start the Party and Sports Champions games. They push to do far more... to provide variety, both new and old... to try to find the next great franchise. People like you like to fault them for trying when something doesn't sell millions, but at least the effort is there, as is the quality, and it's pretty damn obvious it pays off, since Sony has created far more successful franchises this generation than Microsoft has.

lol why do devs give hints?? Lol they cannot contain their own excitement to real their game guess.

I can care less what games are good or bad. For the first 4 months of a new console I usually just a graphics whore. Then after about 5-6 months when I gut used to the level of graphics I pay attention to what is good/not good.

i don't think we are gonna see motorstorm, i think evolution studios are doing a new racing game, a new IP.

they hired some of the developer talent from the team that worked on PGR for ms and Blur. so i am thinking this will be very good since evolution studio was alreday very good bt adding top level talent can only help

MM are not doing LBP, i think the development team that did LBP Vita will be doing LBP3 or LBP world with help and feedback from MM

Killzone 4 is a sure bet, sony is gonna show it to show how powerful ps4 is and what it is capable of

Honestly, I want new ips, not ips from this gen as launch titles. I really cant see myself playing a killzone 4 or an uncharted 4. Though it would be great to play them, it wouldnt feel like i am on a new console if i played them as launch titles. Sony should launch the ps4 with new ips from their known developers instead. I dont want Sony to go the route of ms, refurbishing existing ips. They can just bring out the killzones and uncharteds 5 years into the consoles life.

I sort of agree, but then Sony balance out sequels with new IP's, which we will be seeing for sure. I'd have to say though Gran Turismo 6 is my most anticipated. When I buy I system, I'd like a new racer, and a new game to showcase its visuals in general, aka Killzone 4. GT6 will have amazing visuals, but it would be hard to translate those visuals into just say an RPG or FPS.

Anyway, looking forward to the 20th. I'll be watching and waiting. Finally, a new console generation. Makes me feel younger.

Yeah I really want them to go all out on KZ4. Customisable armour, more weapons, vehicles in multiplayer and a much better singleplayer. Maybe a story where the ISA are getting their ass kicked rather than the helghast.

Hate the way the title says it like it's fact, but i should be used to this by now.

Anyway, 3 good games but im not a huge fan of them myself, but they do have big fanbase and the 3 of them offer a nice variety. God knows what they'll release on launch. Killzone 4, Last Guardian, a MM game, MGS5, InFamous 3, Dark Souls 2, Motorstorm, Agent and FIFA or PES would be an amazing line-up.

As someone that's interested in PS4 without having ever played a PS3 or any of the killzone games (I had a PSP Go), if this is the launch lineup I'm not really that interested. Also any non exclusives I'll probably pick up for the next xbox instead.

Either way I'm sure I'll have both consoles anyway but I (as a software developer) believe that MS will win out on the multiplats again like on the 360 due to superior development tools that cut costs. They've been making directx and visual studio for years and long before they ever got into the console market. I also think they are willing to spend money to ensure that multiplats get released on their platform weeks or months earlier. I think they've been doing this all along. I actually am getting a PS3 after work - I wanna try the God of War games. I already have a 360 and I have a preorder on the OUYA. I also have a gaming PC. I don't have a wii or wii u but I'm not sure if I am interested in those.

Do yourself a favor and pick up the uncharted games. Plus you can buy the God of war pack for 40$ for 5 games. Also from the rumors the Ps4 might be a little more developer friendly than the new x box.

Developers like LibGCM, particularly the toolkit that was released for Vita. I doubt MS will have an advantage with the majority of game developers with Visual Studio. Maybe indie developers that have never used anything else will be more comfortable with it.