When we moved to Dedham, my father used to take the commuter train home. He said the pickle vat was open at the top, and you could see the pickles. Which made no sense to me - how could that be hygenic? Just recently, I happened to read that pickles were traditionally made in open vats for some reason.

I think the station buildings had all been taken down to prevent vandalism. I'm pretty sure the stairs were fenced off at the bottom to prevent access. Many granite blocks were saved and used at Franklin Park and Jamaica Pond to prevent auto access, and along the Southwest Corridor park.

Here are a couple of nice colored postcards showing Forest Hills as it existed around the early part of the twentieth century. The El has not arrived yet in the first two, which are @ circa 1900, but we've got an active commuter line courtesy of the New Haven Railroad which stations almost exactly duplicated the Orange Line's now. In the first card, that's Forest Hills Station on the right. Any of you folks that were around the area before '87 will recognize that that's the ramp that was later used by the Forest Hills Taxi Co. To the rear of the station is the Tower for Forest Hills, which controlled all the movements, including splits from the Boston-Providence Main Line to the Dedham and Needham Branches. In the middle of the picture is where the Forest Hills El Station will be built. The large creme colored building was a large hotel in the Morton and Minton Block, and I believe that it later burned to the ground. Just in front of the hotel is where Washington Street and Walk Hill Street make the split, and Washington Street goes under the railroad right of way. The second card is the same view, just a few feet north. It shows the beautiful granite block archways which were built into the railroad's overpass to allow for pedestrians, two streetcar lines, and carriages. Looking at the third card, we are now looking towards the north from the other side, viewing the Forest Hills El Station when it was fairly new, circa 1923. It's copper cladding has apparently darkened but has not reached that verdigris stage that I and others will remember. If you look northerly out at the El structure after the station, you will see the Shea Yard ramp used by rapid transit cars to the Arborway. Forest Hills was a major catylist in the population and development of Roslindale, West Roxbury, Hyde Park, and Dedham, energized especially when the BERy Co. installed their station.

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With respect to the old Orange Line,the tracks split Forest Hills bound , at the old Ferdinand furniture building at Dudley station. It is currently being converted to a City of Boston school dept building. Here is a website construction webcam showing this :

Teamdriver - What was the name of the joint where Siegel Paint and Supply is in the photo ? E.Concord/Wash. Louie's Lounge, Basin Street South, Big Jim's Shanty ? (I seem to recall Basin Street South there.) Was it out of the nightclub business by the time that you started your gig ? I remember it as a happening jazz club with music so brassy that you could hear it in the El car as you approached Northampton. Once again, my regret is that I was born too late as I would have loved to have spent a night inside (with Mr. Sig).

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My Rail, As I was not into the music ( off course not meaning the Irish music on the radio ) , I was not familiar with that area of drinking joints. At that time period I was mostly at the Southampton street meat market picking up beef ( the rail cars were in the back of the buildings, the truck docks in the front, meat on the hook with rails connecting everything ). But i found this article that might jar your memory about that area, ( Up on the Platform http://www.mysouthend.com/index.php?ch= ... &id=130014 )

A historic view of East Berkeley Street at Washington Street in 1986, with the former Harry the Greek bargain store and the MBTA's Dover Station on the elevated Orange Line. (David L. Ryan/ Globe Staff/ File)

They claim that Dot Ave has the highest number of bars of any American city per capita which I'll buy, but Washington Street over and under the El must have given it a run for it's money. Just off the top of my head, from Forest Hills to Essex St., let me see how many that I can name. TD, I'm sure that you'll have a few to add ! I've included a few that were immediately adjacent to the El or Washington Street Subway such as Centerfolds (Boylston Station Exit within the Centerfolds building). I think that the bars did rub off on the El's image. I remember frequently as a kid seeing a drunk, complete with paper bag, literally legless on El platforms and cars. Some of these places were tough, tough places. They weren't your Friday night date night accomodating vegetarians chardonnay type of places to put it mildly. Well, here we go;

A few more , JA club , Egelston square, This one, cant remember name Washington street @ Marcella Also at Dudley station, on Washington street, there was one at the corner of Ziegler street ( Patio Lounge maybe ), and one just a tad south of it on Washington street but before Dudley, cant remember that name,There was one across the street from the Premier at the corner of Dover,I just called it The Gentleman's bar, and maybe across the street from that, on Washington , the Palm Gardens? , which might have moved down Dover to the corner of Shawmut. And in that area the Red Fez. That is 6 or 7 +/-,

OK, great ! We're up to 28 now ! Now, we're really cooking ! I didn't add on the Red Fez as I'm counting only bars and not restaurants with a licquor license (otherwise this list would more than double !). So 28 divided by 5 = @ 6 !!!! Yay !!! The El Rules !!! (I'll ask my old District 2 buddies about Marcella/Wash.)

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Wasn't there a Mellen's Tavern at the corner of Washington St and Mass Ave? I think it's the one I remember seeing it from the train when it made the Northampton St. stop. There were usually a group of disreputable looking people hanging around outside.

Jon

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