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Should I open a moderated thread to discuss serious things about the bankruptcy process to keep this guy that was and probably still is being paid with the money stolen from us from making us lose time?

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Should I open a moderated thread to discuss serious things about the bankruptcy process to keep this guy that was and probably still is being paid with the money stolen from us from making us lose time?

I started a dialog with parts@ and got a reply from tim@hashfast.com regarding getting the manufacturing files, firmware and sales process. +1 to know their historical yield on boards as this is a non-starter if the yield is low.

He states:"Once you purchase Golden Nonce ASICs, you will be provided the manufacturing files (schematic, BOM, and PCB layout files/Gerbers) for the mining board. The tools and software is already available at https://github.com/hashfast .

Please provide me your address, and phone number and I will get an order confirmation sent to you for the Golden Nonce ASICs along with enough of the 5 hard to find parts to build boards. Once we have received payment, I will send you the manufacturing files."

Completely useless until when they release the design of their board under public domain. Firmware included. And I wanted to see both the evo and the new half costs version.

Even after that, you would have to add PSU and cooling. $200. And you are being optimistic in your per board cost. $300 is. You could probably reach that price if you had the PCBs for in hand for free. So $300 + $168 + $200 for 650GH. Plus the yield, plus whatever could go wrong since that you will have to deal directly with suppliers. Good luck.

Ask them about the new board design barber talked about during that hearing/testimony. They told me their yield to be 90% at the time. (Maybe since that they are reading they could simply answer here.)

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I am a bit confused. SO they are continuing to sell boards to people interested in developing hardware around there chips, but wont ship us the MPP and the other batches?

For the record they have even continued mining as stated on there site.

HF can still sell dev kits, etc to keep the lights on as they wind down. They are not mining beyond the demo unit, which has a public address.

But once somebody brought in their lawyer and filed for Chapter 7, it became illegal for HF to give us our MPP chips and there was less money for finishing other batches, much less flexibility to restructure and recapitalize.

"The difference between bad and well-developed digital cash will determine whether we have a dictatorship or a real democracy." David Chaum 1996"Fungibility provides privacy as a side effect." Adam Back 2014

I started a dialog with parts@ and got a reply from tim@hashfast.com regarding getting the manufacturing files, firmware and sales process. +1 to know their historical yield on boards as this is a non-starter if the yield is low.

He states:"Once you purchase Golden Nonce ASICs, you will be provided the manufacturing files (schematic, BOM, and PCB layout files/Gerbers) for the mining board. The tools and software is already available at https://github.com/hashfast .

Please provide me your address, and phone number and I will get an order confirmation sent to you for the Golden Nonce ASICs along with enough of the 5 hard to find parts to build boards. Once we have received payment, I will send you the manufacturing files."

Completely useless until when they release the design of their board under public domain. Firmware included. And I wanted to see both the evo and the new half costs version.

Even after that, you would have to add PSU and cooling. $200. And you are being optimistic in your per board cost. $300 is. You could probably reach that price if you had the PCBs for in hand for free. So $300 + $168 + $200 for 650GH. Plus the yield, plus whatever could go wrong since that you will have to deal directly with suppliers. Good luck.

would not even attempt this. Those 5 hard to find parts are in short supply world wide. USB com parts.. They screw you on just one part you will have to find an alternate. Then run a test batch of a couple boards. If it does not work your stuck with having to change other parts on the board and then another test batch. Some of those parts are backlogged at manufacturing leval for months and you are out cash. Better off asking Mr. Teal if you could front a chip buy. Also at looking at that thred the boards are not free from problems.

I am a bit confused. SO they are continuing to sell boards to people interested in developing hardware around there chips, but wont ship us the MPP and the other batches?

For the record they have even continued mining as stated on there site.

HF can still sell dev kits, etc to keep the lights on as they wind down. They are not mining beyond the demo unit, which has a public address.

But once somebody brought in their lawyer and filed for Chapter 7, it became illegal for HF to give us our MPP chips and there was less money for finishing other batches, much less flexibility to restructure and recapitalize.

So as a creditor, I guess I can no longer opt to convert the amount owed to chips?

I am a bit confused. SO they are continuing to sell boards to people interested in developing hardware around there chips, but wont ship us the MPP and the other batches?

For the record they have even continued mining as stated on there site.

HF can still sell dev kits, etc to keep the lights on as they wind down. They are not mining beyond the demo unit, which has a public address.

But once somebody brought in their lawyer and filed for Chapter 7, it became illegal for HF to give us our MPP chips and there was less money for finishing other batches, much less flexibility to restructure and recapitalize.

So as a creditor, I guess I can no longer opt to convert the amount owed to chips?

No, they ceased to offer this option few months ago when they were submitted by some companies for chapter 9 bankruptcy

No, they ceased to offer this option few months ago when they were submitted by some companies for chapter 9 7 bankruptcy

Regardless of the fact that we were pushing for those settlements and the petition didn't stopped them from doing so, they decided to stop the settlements independently, to screw us once more.

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Edit: For anyone that didn't notice because Hashfast buried it in a blog post that they didn't bother to publicize they listed their current inventory and prices on their website for anyone interested in buying anything.

Edit: For anyone that didn't notice because Hashfast buried it in a blog post that they didn't bother to publicize they listed their current inventory and prices on their website for anyone interested in buying anything.

Well they have to sell something to be able to pay us all backthe 250k monthly in payrolls.

Yes.

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No, they ceased to offer this option few months ago when they were submitted by some companies for chapter 9 7 bankruptcy

Regardless of the fact that we were pushing for those settlements and the petition didn't stopped them from doing so, they decided to stop the settlements independently, to screw us once more.

Answer from "Tim":

Dario,

It is my understanding that once HashFast was driven to involuntary bankruptcy on May 9, 2014, as someone who has an unfulfilled order, you became a creditor. At this time, we are unable to provide you with any type of compensation or credit for your unfulfilled order. I suggest you to please check with your own legal counsel on this matter.

Dario, its not that simple as just giving us chips, it has to be worth doing another run, for example if you have 10 chips we cant go to our assembly house and have them just do ten, not only that the pcb's need to be ordered and if you want them in under 5 days you pay a high premium for this service compared to if you have time and you can do 2 weeks lead time price drops about 30-40% depending on the pcbs.

So we cant really just give a price unless we have more details such as how many chips (it has be worth it for us to do another run cost wise) and what the lea d time is. For example long lead parts are pcb's (the they become cheaper as mentioned above), we also have to look at the part supply chain to see if all the other parts are avail to be purchased, and some of those are long lead times or if you buy lets say 100 vs a reel of 1000 your also paying premium so as you can see giving you a price is not that easy based upon the above factors.

Also note while the HF chips become cheaper the board components do not go down in price. So the board price doesn't change much unless you have long enough time vs rush order which costs everyone quite a bit extra.

I hope you see our dilemma on providing you an answer so if you can provide more details we can and its worth it for us (meaning the order is big enough, the long lead parts are ordered asasp and then the assembly house it lined up and avail for us).