<quoted text>I have never seen a case exactly on point, but I can see how it could happen. Speaking solely of Illinois, while the city can set minimum standards for subdivision improvements (lot size, building height, lot coverage, etc.), developers are permitted to set more stringent standards in the declaration of subdivision. Developers set higher standards to keep home values to a certain level. Before the advent of HOA, someone in the subdivision had to sue to enforce the declaration. Now with HOA, there is a policing body.

The Illinois Supreme Court just handed down an opinion that those who buy in a subdivision with a declaration, HOA, and HOA rules have agreed to abide by those pronouncements. It's a contractual relationship. Some attorney got pulled over for speeding by a rent-a-cop hired by the HOA. He litigated over the question of whether the HOA could establish a private police force. The IL Supreme Court said that since the attorney was a homeowner in the subdivision, he agreed by contract to abide by the HOA rules. http://www.state.il.us/court/Opinions/Supreme...

Interesting. SO if you got pulled over, and you were not a resident, the rent-a-cop would have no jurisdiction.?? The residents must love that.

<quoted text>HughBe--- YES i.e. chicken. I no longer EAT pork.Former---I believe you already told me you don't drink the Blue Mountain coffee.HughBe--- Correct but I intend to start.Former-- Is this for religious reasons?HughBe--- No, it is a question of taste meaning I am not a coffee person I am a milo person. Coffee has health benefits and so I shall start consuming for health reasons including Bamboo's health.Former--I could understand you're avoiding the Red Stripe beverage which I also enjoyed while visiting your island paradise.HughBe--- You should come back to paradise and when you do you should try the local flesh.

"Local flesh?" you say. Can you be more specific? Whose or what flesh were you offering? Perhaps your sister's?

I see you have a sweet tooth:

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rabbee: well i do not care if you are from california, driving in colorado, or from burlington driving in denver. if you get caught breaking the law, your going to get pulled over. so therefore an hoa ordinance, is no different than any town ordanance. as long as they do not violate, the us, state or city constitutions.

their jurisdiction is considered as legal, no matter who drives in their cities, towns, or hoa. an hoa is, a soverign township. unless they are considered as illegal, in your state.

and technically speaking, if an hoa is not large enough. to afford a police and fire dept. the state, county, or city, is required to supply this. because you do pay, property tax assements too.

<quoted text>rabbee: well i do not care if you are from california, driving in colorado, or from burlington driving in denver. if you get caught breaking the law, your going to get pulled over. so therefore an hoa ordinance, is no different than any town ordanance. as long as they do not violate, the us, state or city constitutions.their jurisdiction is considered as legal, no matter who drives in their cities, towns, or hoa. an hoa is, a soverign township. unless they are considered as illegal, in your state.and technically speaking, if an hoa is not large enough. to afford a police and fire dept. the state, county, or city, is required to supply this. because you do pay, property tax assements too.

You know, Jimmie, I defer to your expertise when we are talking about engineering. I would hope that you would defer to my expertise when we are talking about law.

HOA's are not governmental bodies. They have no authority outside of their members.

In Illinois there are many locations where government cannot provide police patrols that people would like. In the areas outside city limits, there are ways for the people to supplement their taxes to add additional patrols. The IL the Supreme Court has said that subdivisions can pay for rent-a-cops but the limit of their jurisdiction is the members of the subdivision.

State law also allows groups of people to vote to raise their taxes so that the money can go to the sheriff to add additional patrols.

WASHINGTON (AP)— Any day now, billions of cicadas with bulging red eyes will crawl out of the earth after 17 years underground and overrun the East Coast. The insects will arrive in such numbers that people from North Carolina to Connecticut will be outnumbered roughly 600-to-1. Maybe more.

...They're looking for just one thing: sex. And they've been waiting quite a long time....

<quoted text>You know, Jimmie, I defer to your expertise when we are talking about engineering. I would hope that you would defer to my expertise when we are talking about law.HOA's are not governmental bodies. They have no authority outside of their members.In Illinois there are many locations where government cannot provide police patrols that people would like. In the areas outside city limits, there are ways for the people to supplement their taxes to add additional patrols. The IL the Supreme Court has said that subdivisions can pay for rent-a-cops but the limit of their jurisdiction is the members of the subdivision.State law also allows groups of people to vote to raise their taxes so that the money can go to the sheriff to add additional patrols.Please stick with engineering and leave the law to others.

rabbee: well that is just, so hypocritical sounding. that is like saying, the denver police can't legally arrest anyone from aurora, sheridan or littleton. and hoa's, are a form of governing body.

and i am not as ignorant, of the laws of the many states as you like to think. i have won every court case, i have been involed in. i have never lost, even one court case. and i have never, defended, an obviously guilty person yet. cause i cannot lie, just to spite the system. i shall not bear, false wittness in any court of law. either as a lawyer, juror, judge, or wittness.

if you are trying to say, that an hoa. does not have the right to have their own protection service. you are wrong, according to the law. even in the town of bust colorado, with the perminant population of 1. he is considered as, the local law enforcement. so be careful, drive safely. the life you save, could be the whole town.

<quoted text>You know, Jimmie, I defer to your expertise when we are talking about engineering. I would hope that you would defer to my expertise when we are talking about law.HOA's are not governmental bodies. They have no authority outside of their members.In Illinois there are many locations where government cannot provide police patrols that people would like. In the areas outside city limits, there are ways for the people to supplement their taxes to add additional patrols. The IL the Supreme Court has said that subdivisions can pay for rent-a-cops but the limit of their jurisdiction is the members of the subdivision.State law also allows groups of people to vote to raise their taxes so that the money can go to the sheriff to add additional patrols.Please stick with engineering and leave the law to others.

rabbee: and another legal point, the denver police. cannot go into aurora, to catch speeders not in their district. unless it is in, hot persuit. so the denver police, are legally no different than an hoa.

the denver police, cannot legally operate in aurora. unless they are designated, as state police. and it would still be, legally unethical to do so. unless aurora, requested their presence. but thy can stop, anyone from out of their district coming in or passing through their district.

the denver police, already lost a landmark case. where they were handing out speeding tickets, to people in sheridan colorado. on that very, same point.

East about to be overrun by billions of cicadashttp://www.stamfordadvocate.com/news/article/...WASHINGTON (AP)— Any day now, billions of cicadas with bulging red eyes will crawl out of the earth after 17 years underground and overrun the East Coast. The insects will arrive in such numbers that people from North Carolina to Connecticut will be outnumbered roughly 600-to-1. Maybe more....They're looking for just one thing: sex. And they've been waiting quite a long time....----------Sounds a lot like a certain poster from an island...

rabbee: that sounds, like a homosexuals nightmare. after 17 years of abstinance, i do not think. you will find any, homosexual cicadas. life is way to short, for them to consider that. makes lemmings that run over a cliff, every four years. look like, a long lifetime. but they still elect their leader, every four years too. ot to love, the irony in that.

<quoted text>rabbee: and another legal point, the denver police. cannot go into aurora, to catch speeders not in their district. unless it is in, hot persuit. so the denver police, are legally no different than an hoa.the denver police, cannot legally operate in aurora. unless they are designated, as state police. and it would still be, legally unethical to do so. unless aurora, requested their presence. but thy can stop, anyone from out of their district coming in or passing through their district.the denver police, already lost a landmark case. where they were handing out speeding tickets, to people in sheridan colorado. on that very, same point.

Really the Denver police cannot go to Aurora to catch them? From Denver downtown to Aurora is only 20-30 minutes of car. And I thought Aurora was somehow part of Denver.

<quoted text>rabbee: well that is just, so hypocritical sounding. that is like saying, the denver police can't legally arrest anyone from aurora, sheridan or littleton. and hoa's, are a form of governing body.and i am not as ignorant, of the laws of the many states as you like to think. i have won every court case, i have been involed in. i have never lost, even one court case. and i have never, defended, an obviously guilty person yet. cause i cannot lie, just to spite the system. i shall not bear, false wittness in any court of law. either as a lawyer, juror, judge, or wittness.if you are trying to say, that an hoa. does not have the right to have their own protection service. you are wrong, according to the law. even in the town of bust colorado, with the perminant population of 1. he is considered as, the local law enforcement. so be careful, drive safely. the life you save, could be the whole town.

Did you see the proviso at the beginning of my post: "Speaking solely of Illinois"? Are you telling me that what I said is incorrect as applied in Illinois?

By the way, in IL an officer in pursuit does not have to stop the pursuit if the driver leaves the jurisdiction. Plus, officers in neighboring cities have cross over jurisdiction. But, in IL only commissioned officers can enforce the law. And, only governmental bodies can adopt traffic laws, with the exception to HOA as to their own members according to the IL Supreme Court.

<quoted text>"Local flesh?" you say. Can you be more specific? Whose or what flesh were you offering? Perhaps your sister's?I see you have a sweet tooth:Milo (pron.:/&#712;ma&#618; lo&#650;/) is a chocolate and malt powder which is mixed with hot or cold water and/or milk to produce a beverage popular in many parts of the world. Produced by Nestlé, Milo was originally developed by Thomas Mayne in Sydney, Australia in 1934.[1] It is marketed and sold in many countries around the world.Was that a yes or no about the Red Strip beer?

HughBe--- You should come back to paradise and when you do you should try the local flesh.

Former---"Local flesh?" you say. Can you be more specific? Whose or what flesh were you offering? Perhaps your sister's?

HughBe--- No dear keep your mind clean, I was thinking of local beef, lamb etc.:D

Former---I see you have a sweet tooth:

HughBe--- Our local flesh is NOT SWEET it is closer to being salt than sweet. We have Salt fish which is regarded by some to be the best in the world. Would you be interested in EATING our salt FISH?

<quoted text>You know, Jimmie, I defer to your expertise when we are talking about engineering. I would hope that you would defer to my expertise when we are talking about law.HOA's are not governmental bodies. They have no authority outside of their members.In Illinois there are many locations where government cannot provide police patrols that people would like. In the areas outside city limits, there are ways for the people to supplement their taxes to add additional patrols. The IL the Supreme Court has said that subdivisions can pay for rent-a-cops but the limit of their jurisdiction is the members of the subdivision.State law also allows groups of people to vote to raise their taxes so that the money can go to the sheriff to add additional patrols.Please stick with engineering and leave the law to others.

<quoted text>So now you are licensed to practice law in the state of Illinois. Plus you know more about IL law than the IL Supreme Court.Can you give us a citation then to the correct law in IL?

rabbee: i have seen some of those decisions from the illinois supreme court. and i am not impressed, by their ability to not abide by their constitution. so do not tell me, that the illinois supreme court is anything to be proud of.

supreme courts are not supposed to judge. according to the way, they way they want. with total disreguard, for the way the founders meant for it to be used.

and yes i have seen and read, the illinois constution. which is practicly the same, for every state in the union, except for the commonwealth of virginia. where ever city, county and hoa, are their own republic with their own version of the constitution.

By the way, in IL an officer in pursuit does not have to stop the pursuit if the driver leaves the jurisdiction. Plus, officers in neighboring cities have cross over jurisdiction. But, in IL only commissioned officers can enforce the law. And, only governmental bodies can adopt traffic laws, with the exception to HOA as to their own members according to the IL Supreme Court.

In Connecticut it states in the so called constitution that the legislature makes law, so some ordinances crafted by local pud face gangsters at town hall cant be considered law.

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