this misconception comes from the fact that your body stores most of the fat you eat as adipose tissue for later use, if you are eating sufficient carbohydrates to permanently remain in glycosis, you will store almost all of the fats you eat. however, this requires you to be at a caloric excess. at maintenance the body will use both fat and glycogen for energy. when glycogen begins to run low, the body starts to oxidize fat for fuel and conserves glycogen mainly for use by the brain. if you are eating at maintenance and running out of CHO, your body burns dietary fat, not stored fat.

contrary to popular beleif, carbs are rarely ever stored as fat.

a ketogenic diet is the stupidest thing ever for a body builder, the energy demands during high intensity lifting is greater then the body can break down fat for fuel. i tried doing keto and couldnt even perform in the gym for crap. not to mention i felt fukcing brain dead all the time.

I apologise guys yup excess caloric intake regardless of what food one consumes will lead one to gain weight in fats.

It's just that i was in another forum some sort of social forum where the ppl were being so anal about calorie counting like bringing along a weighing scale to a restaurant and being rude all cos i brought up the issue of taking note of one's caloric intake.

this misconception comes from the fact that your body stores most of the fat you eat as adipose tissue for later use, if you are eating sufficient carbohydrates to permanently remain in glycosis, you will store almost all of the fats you eat. however, this requires you to be at a caloric excess. at maintenance the body will use both fat and glycogen for energy. when glycogen begins to run low, the body starts to oxidize fat for fuel and conserves glycogen mainly for use by the brain. if you are eating at maintenance and running out of CHO, your body burns dietary fat, not stored fat.

contrary to popular beleif, carbs are rarely ever stored as fat.

this right here. - truth.

Originally Posted by yepimonfire

when glycogen begins to run low, the body starts to oxidize fat for fuel and conserves glycogen mainly for use by the brain.

this I am pretty confident is correct - I notice that even on a carb based diet when I am doing cardio in a defict I get the "keto breath" just the same as when I was in ketosis... I am pretty sure this is correct. however it may just be fructose sugar metabolism....

Originally Posted by yepimonfire

if you are eating at maintenance and running out of CHO, your body burns dietary fat, not stored fat.

not sure if this is fact or not.

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Guys the person that says that there's no need to count calories when u eat fats, proetins and little carbs says so cos your body will start to naturally feel full once you have eaten enough so there's no need to count calories.

a ketogenic diet is the stupidest thing ever for a body builder, the energy demands during high intensity lifting is greater then the body can break down fat for fuel. i tried doing keto and couldnt even perform in the gym for crap. not to mention i felt fukcing brain dead all the time.

Go with your common sense. Excessive anything turns to fat. I actually didn't start averaging 2-3lbs a week until I watched my calories more closely. It's too easy to overeat fats on keto by putting butter on everything or drinking creams.

Originally Posted by joney_boy

I'm on another forum where the general idea is that you can consume as much fats and protein as you like and still lose fat as long as you don't consume carbs. Is this the correct view point?

Incorrect. It sounds like the twisted fat lady Atkins Logic. Atkins doesn't believe in counting calories because people typically feel full on a ketogenic diet. People coming off of low calorie/high carb diets were always hungry. He preached eat until full but don't stuff yourself. Then you have to consider most Atkins people are severely obese, pushing 300. So they can eat 3000 calories and lose weight unlike someone who weighs 180 and only needs to lose 20 or 50lbs.

this I am pretty confident is correct - I notice that even on a carb based diet when I am doing cardio in a defict I get the "keto breath" just the same as when I was in ketosis... I am pretty sure this is correct. however it may just be fructose sugar metabolism....

this is because as the body runs low on glycogen it begins to burn both fat and glucose to fuel the exercise, attempting to conserve glucose for the brain as the brain runs better on glucose. it also depends on the intensity of the exercise. fat can only be metabolised so fast, glucose can be burned much faster and much more efficiently. we always undergo some form of ketosis all the time.

a ketogenic diet is particularly useful for very sedentary people because lack of exercise DOES eventually lead to insulin issues, but this is another story.

i also must note that the body is extremely inefficient at metabolising protein for energy and it is very inefficient at converting protein directly to fat as it must undergo so many different processes for this to happen. this is why it irritates the hell out of me when people freak out and think their body is burning muscle for fuel over fat, muscle protein metabolism is a last ditch resort and requires an EXTREME prolonged deficit on the verge of starvation combined with very intense activity. if there is fat available for fuel, it will use it. why do you think we store fat in the first place? we only need like 3% body fat to maintain bodily functions.

this misconception comes from the fact that your body stores most of the fat you eat as adipose tissue for later use, if you are eating sufficient carbohydrates to permanently remain in glycosis, you will store almost all of the fats you eat. however, this requires you to be at a caloric excess. at maintenance the body will use both fat and glycogen for energy. when glycogen begins to run low, the body starts to oxidize fat for fuel and conserves glycogen mainly for use by the brain. if you are eating at maintenance and running out of CHO, your body burns dietary fat, not stored fat.

contrary to popular beleif, carbs are rarely ever stored as fat.

a ketogenic diet is the stupidest thing ever for a body builder, the energy demands during high intensity lifting is greater then the body can break down fat for fuel. i tried doing keto and couldnt even perform in the gym for crap. not to mention i felt fukcing brain dead all the time.

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Uh...
Most americans get fat on a high carb diet.
Excess calories that come from carbs are also stored as fat...
Almost all professional body builders use some form of keto on a cut diet.....

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Uh...
Most americans get fat on a high carb diet.
Excess calories that come from carbs are also stored as fat...
Almost all professional body builders use some form of keto on a cut diet.....

you're basically right, but carbs are rarely stored as fat. this only happens when there is very low amounts of fats. instead, any fats that people eat on a high carb diet are stored while the body still runs off carbs. excess carbs for the day may transfer over to the next, resulting in that days fats being stored as well. so basically, it's the same as calories in vs calories out, just a little harder to understand

you're basically right, but carbs are rarely stored as fat. this only happens when there is very low amounts of fats. instead, any fats that people eat on a high carb diet are stored while the body still runs off carbs. excess carbs for the day may transfer over to the next, resulting in that days fats being stored as well. so basically, it's the same as calories in vs calories out, just a little harder to understand

i think he misunderstood my post.

i was basically explaining fat doesn't make you fat, carbs don't make you fat.

fat is stored until carbs are low, when they are running low, it is reserved mainly for the brain while other bodily functions can use fat as a fuel source.

he also misunderstood that i mentioned that ANY diet involved ketosis to some degree, maintenance or deficit. fat is*consistently stored and unused when in a caloric excess, whether the**excess comes from carbs or fat.

yes, it is true that carbs put the body into a fat storing mode, but it is IRRELEVANT to weightloss or weight maintenance because at some point in time you will run out of carbs and begin using fat as a fuel source.