Neither did New Orleans. They didn't even give up the most points last year and were 7th in the league in turnovers created, so calling them the worst of all time is a stretch.

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Brilliant letting one of Scott Pioli's henchmen have his own team to ruin. One of the premier GM jobs in the NFL and it gets handed to a stupid **** who makes three facepalm moves for every good one. Awesome. Just like handing a new Mercedes to a 16 year old girl who's already been in three wrecks.

Not at all, you win games by scoring more points than the other team. The rest is pretty much noise. There have been plenty of poor yardage teams that fare very well in points per game which is ultimately what matters. I'm not arguing that your defense didn't suck last year because it did, but by no stretch were they the worst of all time. You're just being melodramatic again.

Not at all, you win games by scoring more points than the other team. The rest is pretty much noise. There have been plenty of poor yardage teams that fare very well in points per game which is ultimately what matters. I'm not arguing that your defense didn't suck last year because it did, but by no stretch were they the worst of all time. You're just being melodramatic again.

not really what happened was it.

By just focusing on points allowed you miss the fact that the saints (by good punting and good offense) gave opponents relatively long fields makings scores less evident. The saints also allowed relatively few special team points.

But hey, lets act like points are all that matters and totally ignore that a team systematically starting with a shorter field is bound to score more.

yardage is how "total defense" is ranked for a reason, there is no all-inclusive stat that covers all aspects so a team that hammers the yardage records and is pretty impressively craptacular in the other categories has a good claim to be the most awful D in history.

because, quite simply he wasnt. without brees the saints wouldve been 0-16 most likely last season. the defense was the worst of all time, the running game kept force feeding ingram making it totally ineffective. the line looked flat out bad blocking, Graham regressed. Really the only plusses, besides brees, were Joe Morgan and the punter, Thomas Morstead.

Yet brees gets hate for only having another 5000 yard season knowing he is the only one who can win games for the saints? Yes he got overagressive in a game or two but it doesnt help knowing you have to virtually score on every single drive because your defense is less effective than the cardboard cutouts of themselves you can find in department stores.

This doesn't make any sense. Ryan arguably was more efficient at passing the ball last year. If Brees forced too many passes last year (he did), that's nobody's fault but his. If it's a calculated risk to try and make a play, he didn't do a very good job at them, and that's his fault.

To reiterate, nothing you said refuted the stats that I pointed out. Ryan was more efficient with the ball last year. I'm sure that some of that is because he was asked to do less, but that's no more his fault than it is that Brees was asked to do too much.

By just focusing on points allowed you miss the fact that the saints (by good punting and good offense) gave opponents relatively long fields makings scores less evident. The saints also allowed relatively few special team points.

Don't you hate it when you make up some statistic and some jackass uses the pesky Internet to blow a hole right through that made up stat? The average starting field position for offenses going against the New Orleans Saints was the 29.5 yard line. Let's see where that ranks.

25th in the league. So only 7 teams gave their opponents less yards to cover than the Saints. So that whole "we gave the offenses less yards to work with" crap is completely untrue.

Or how you gave up relatively few special teams TDs? Well, you did only give up one. But 14 teams actually gave up zero return TDs. 8 other teams gave up only one. So, the Saints were actually average, not relatively low.

So nice try, but next time you want to make up some stats, make sure it's during the zombie apocalypse where nobody has access to the Internet to completely disprove them.

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Brilliant letting one of Scott Pioli's henchmen have his own team to ruin. One of the premier GM jobs in the NFL and it gets handed to a stupid **** who makes three facepalm moves for every good one. Awesome. Just like handing a new Mercedes to a 16 year old girl who's already been in three wrecks.

Don't you hate it when you make up some statistic and some jackass uses the pesky Internet to blow a hole right through that made up stat? The average starting field position for offenses going against the New Orleans Saints was the 29.5 yard line. Let's see where that ranks.

25th in the league. So only 7 teams gave their opponents less yards to cover than the Saints. So that whole "we gave the offenses less yards to work with" crap is completely untrue.

Or how you gave up relatively few special teams TDs? Well, you did only give up one. But 14 teams actually gave up zero return TDs. 8 other teams gave up only one. So, the Saints were actually average, not relatively low.

So nice try, but next time you want to make up some stats, make sure it's during the zombie apocalypse where nobody has access to the Internet to completely disprove them.

which is all and nice but we longsince established that this saints team should be compared to the worst defensive teams in history, not the rest of this years league. thing 81 baltimore and stuff as a basis of comparison

which is all and nice but we longsince established that this saints team should be compared to the worst defensive teams in history, not the rest of this years league. thing 81 baltimore and stuff as a basis of comparison

That is what we are doing. We are saying that points is what matters more. You came back and said that the Saints gave the offenses longer fields to work with and allowed relatively few special teams touchdowns. But neither of those is true. They gave offenses fewer yards to cover than 75% of the league. only 31% of the league gave up more special teams TDs than them.

So neither of your excuses for why they gave up so few points was true. Now, you want to compare them with the '81 Colts? Let's do that.

New Orleans Saints gave up 7042 yards compared to 6793 for the Colts. So they gave up 4.4% more yards. However, offenses in 1981 put up 3.7% fewer yards than they did in 2012. So if you add 3.7% to the Colts total, you get 7041 yards.

Move on to points. New Orleans only gave up 454 points. Baltimore gave up 533! That's 14.8% fewer. This is despite the fact that in 2012, teams on average score 2.1 points more per game.

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Brilliant letting one of Scott Pioli's henchmen have his own team to ruin. One of the premier GM jobs in the NFL and it gets handed to a stupid **** who makes three facepalm moves for every good one. Awesome. Just like handing a new Mercedes to a 16 year old girl who's already been in three wrecks.

That is what we are doing. We are saying that points is what matters more. You came back and said that the Saints gave the offenses longer fields to work with and allowed relatively few special teams touchdowns. But neither of those is true. They gave offenses fewer yards to cover than 75% of the league. only 31% of the league gave up more special teams TDs than them.

So neither of your excuses for why they gave up so few points was true. Now, you want to compare them with the '81 Colts? Let's do that.

New Orleans Saints gave up 7042 yards compared to 6793 for the Colts. So they gave up 4.4% more yards. However, offenses in 1981 put up 3.7% fewer yards than they did in 2012. So if you add 3.7% to the Colts total, you get 7041 yards.

Move on to points. New Orleans only gave up 454 points. Baltimore gave up 533! That's 14.8% fewer. This is despite the fact that in 2012, teams on average score 2.1 points more per game.

this is nice and all but all ive argued is that points arent the go to metric to judge a defense by