I had a trainer out today and he recomended a stronger bit. He said a thinner snaffle provides better control than thicker. what size of thikness do you think would be appropriate? Also is egg but or d-ring better? I would like to stick with a snaffle, so snaffle only sugestions please. So basicaly the snaffle that will give me the best controll.

What is it you are trying to control, turning, stopping, head carriage. The type of snaffle you will want to switch to will depend on what you need control in.

OH, and you might want to try thee sticky at the top of the "tack" section....there are some really great explanations of bits including what D ring versus full cheek, versus loose ring will do for you...

Sounds like maybe your horse is bracing against the bit or trying to grab at it. A loose ring snaffle with bit guards (to prevent pinching) may help. Because the ring slides through, they can not brace against the bit, there is nothing to brace against. A D ring, eggbutt and full cheek would let him do this.

As for diameter, maybe a smaller one, but I personally don't really advocate the really ouchy stuff like wire wraps and twists. But that is only MY taste. I think a lot of ground work and lunging goes a bit farther in the long run. Again, just my personal taste...but I never prosecute or bad talk people who do prefer these...it's a matter of preference :)

Sounds like maybe your horse is bracing against the bit or trying to grab at it. A loose ring snaffle with bit guards (to prevent pinching) may help. Because the ring slides through, they can not brace against the bit, there is nothing to brace against. A D ring, eggbutt and full cheek would let him do this.

As for diameter, maybe a smaller one, but I personally don't really advocate the really ouchy stuff like wire wraps and twists. But that is only MY taste. I think a lot of ground work and lunging goes a bit farther in the long run. Again, just my personal taste...but I never prosecute or bad talk people who do prefer these...it's a matter of preference :)

Ya I refuse to use anything with a twist, even a kimberwick seems harsh. the snaffle we have right now is really quite thick. And Ill defenatly try a loose ring snaffle.

And he is a very strong horse, and anytime I pull to stop him, or try that trick when you pull their head toward you to stop him, he doesnt listen and goes faster. And he is very heavy in the head and used to have a habbit of pulling down.

Since you had a trainer out, what bit did he/she recommend? As for stopping a buck, you need to be able to flex your horse and disengage his rear - not pull on the reins/bit; so a stronger bit is really of little use.

I'm not arguing with you, I'm just explaining why I'm right.

Nothing sucks more than that moment during an argument when you realize you're wrong. It's not always what you say but what they hear.

Since you had a trainer out, what bit did he/she recommend? As for stopping a buck, you need to be able to flex your horse and disengage his rear - not pull on the reins/bit; so a stronger bit is really of little use.

He said a snaffle that is thinner. Im not really trying to stop him from bucking, I can sit through that but, sometimes he just wont stop cantering, and goes fatser when I try to control him.

He said a snaffle that is thinner. Im not really trying to stop him from bucking, I can sit through that but, sometimes he just wont stop cantering, and goes fatser when I try to control him.

My horse used to be like this, (and sometimes still reverts back) and the answer wasn't a stronger bit. The answer was going back to basics. Re-establishing his whoa, doing lateral work, and being able to control his shoulders, head, and haunches separately. Dressage was the answer for me, but any discipline in it's true form is dressage if you're doing it right.

I also had to learn how to ride more effectively. I learned to half-halt with my body and NOT just my reins to re-balance and regroup him. I learned how my seat effects his speed, tempo, and bend. I learned to ride off my inside leg and onto my outside rein.

Hope my post doesn't offend or annoy you since you're just asking about bits, but I thought I'd chime in. Also as a side note. I used to have these problems in a gag bit, and now I can ride him with no problems in a french link.

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