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Hi,Were Ole Nydahi and Trungpa rinpoche enemies?I have heard from students from both men that they did not get along and were infact enemies,is this true?surely enemy is a strong word for anyone practicing Dharma?

illusionsgame wrote:Stop thinking so much and go sit. It is irreverent to your practice. Think of suffering. Go sit.

How can you say so? Who are you, to speak to Martin like that? His teacher? Certainly not. You don't know anything about the background of this question, do you? Maybe Martin is looking for a teacher, and maybe he is ckecking out if DW or Shambhala is the right place for him. Even if he's only asking out of curiosity, you still don't have the right to forbid him to do so.

You are supposed to check a teacher for up to twelve years, and one method of checking a potential teacher is to ask others what they know about him. There is nothing wrong about this question.

I'm sorry, if this post sounds pretty aggressive, but hell, dude (or dudette), you are trying to forbid somebody to ask a question. What are you thinking?

"Forget about being clever, and simply remain." Guru Rinpoche, Treasures from Juniper Ridge

illusionsgame wrote:Stop thinking so much and go sit. It is irreverent to your practice. Think of suffering. Go sit.

How can you say so? Who are you, to speak to Martin like that? His teacher? Certainly not. You don't know anything about the background of this question, do you? Maybe Martin is looking for a teacher, and maybe he is ckecking out if DW or Shambhala is the right place for him. Even if he's only asking out of curiosity, you still don't have the right to forbid him to do so.

You are supposed to check a teacher for up to twelve years, and one method of checking a potential teacher is to ask others what they know about him. There is nothing wrong about this question.

I'm sorry, if this post sounds pretty aggressive, but hell, dude (or dudette), you are trying to forbid somebody to ask a question.What are you thinking?

Hi RAR,thats exactly my reason for asking,im considering which group to visit, DW or Shambala,so im curious about there founders and their relationship to each other

gregkavarnos wrote:The relationship between the two founders should have no bearing whatsoever on your decision regarding which of the two groups to visit.

Comparing the two teachers (one of whom is dead, mind you) is probably more valid rather than looking for dirt on their relationship.

I would recommend you vist both groups and decide which you will "join" based on an objective analysis of your experiences during the visits.

Both groups and their teachers have their controversies and their strong points.

hi,yes i agree with you,but say in the future i wanted to practice with both groups,would this even be possibe,thats i why i want to know is there any bad blood,do the 2 groups co exist peacefully and respect each other?

Yes, there was an adversarial relationship between the two. Ole was banned from teaching at Trungpa's centers and institutions, fairly early on. It's well-documented, and not worth spending any time on. Of much greater importance is the atmosphere, environment, accessibility, and general "vibe" you experience at either of these organization's centers. They are both not "orthodox" Karma Kagyu centers, in the sense that the KTD, KTC, Thrangu/ Mingyur Rinpoche/Kalu Rinpoche or other High Karma Kagyu centers are--or, rather, they are far less similar than any of those are to each other.....but I'm not placing any value judgement on that statement.

"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."

May any merit generated by on-line discussionBe dedicated to the Ultimate Benefit of All Sentient Beings.

conebeckham wrote:Yes, there was an adversarial relationship between the two. Ole was banned from teaching at Trungpa's centers and institutions, fairly early on. It's well-documented, and not worth spending any time on. Of much greater importance is the atmosphere, environment, accessibility, and general "vibe" you experience at either of these organization's centers. They are both not "orthodox" Karma Kagyu centers, in the sense that the KTD, KTC, Thrangu/ Mingyur Rinpoche/Kalu Rinpoche or other High Karma Kagyu centers are--or, rather, they are far less similar than any of those are to each other.....but I'm not placing any value judgement on that statement.

Just to clarify, I dunno why I said "high Karma Magyu Centers." I mean Karma Kagyu Centers founded by High Lamas. But reading the above, it sounds like I'm talking about the "High Church" or some such thing. That was not my intent.

"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."

May any merit generated by on-line discussionBe dedicated to the Ultimate Benefit of All Sentient Beings.

Both Trungpa Rinpoche and Ole Nydahl thought that Tibetan Buddhism needs to be adapted to be accessible in the West. Both changed it in their own ways, Other Kagyu teachers have been more conservative. There's a nasty argument in the Karma Kagyu over who is the real Karmapa. Ole Nydahl sided with one claimant and Trungpa Rinpoche's organization eventually sided with the other, though it stayed neutral in the controversy for a good bit.