Comments on: Camo-Clad Men Said to Kill Two Immigrants in Arizonahttp://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/04/09/camo-clad-men-said-to-kill-two-undocumented-immigrants-in-arizona/
Exposing hate groups and other extremists throughout the United States since 1981. Managed by the staff of the Intelligence Project at the Southern Poverty Law Center.Tue, 29 Oct 2013 06:37:52 +0000hourly1http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2By: Reynardinehttp://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/04/09/camo-clad-men-said-to-kill-two-undocumented-immigrants-in-arizona/comment-page-1/#comment-432731
Sun, 15 Apr 2012 22:00:01 +0000http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=8990#comment-432731Roger, I am so sorry to hear what has happened to a once beautiful state, but if it is hitting you worst first, it is not hitting you alone. We are definitely in a state of darkening skies, and we have to keep informing each other.
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Sun, 15 Apr 2012 01:29:36 +0000http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=8990#comment-432296I grew up in Mesa, AZ in the 60’s and was a very racist and bigoted town back then but in paternal way. I’m not saying that it was “a good racism,” far from it. It was a religious based racism in which families were still taking in the children of Native American’s to religiously and more importantly, culturally assimilate them. These kids always seemed so lost and so lonely that every time I saw one, even when quite young myself I was heartbroken even before I really understood why. Part of this was how the foster parents paraded these children like trophies while they and their own children completely ignored these frightened and lonely souls.

The racism in Arizona now is so outspoken and pervasive now that my son attending college there just cannot wait to leave the state he grew in. He lives in one of the beautiful areas with one of the best climates and cleanest airs in the state, unlike our old home town of Mesa now in a giant heat trap and a virtual environmental cesspool. His high school was so blatantly pro-religious they allowed Christian rock bands to perform at lunch time. He was called into the Principal’s office for wearing a Bible verse on his shirt something many students did but never got in trouble for as they should not. His sin was wearing Leviticus 20:9 “If anyone curses his father or mother, he must be put to death.” That was apparently against school policy in Christian Arizona.

My son’s car was vandalized three times several years back for the horrible sin of having a Barrack Obama for president sticker on it. He learned that in Arizona you curb your free speech to survive.

One translation for name of the city Eloy I’ve heard is “My God.” In high school we used to joke and say that it really meant “My God!” The truth is that Eloy has had a very tough history beginning as mostly a transient town, one of the poorest on the state. It was almost totally destroyed by a tornado during those days by one of the massive storms that used to run from Tucson to Phoenix drenching both. They avoid Phoenix now due to excessive tarmac, cement and pollution trapping the heat.

People may jump to conclusions in this case but I can see why. The racism in Arizona is so deep and perverse that it is a disease. Today’s Arizona racist can no more sense the racism in their actions than those Mormon foster families did when I was growing up. They use religious, economic, and even civil liberties as arguments for their beliefs and actions. All of these can be used easily as reasons for such a feeling of superiority that allows the true believer to go too far.

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Fri, 13 Apr 2012 18:19:31 +0000http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=8990#comment-431555Curious, Ruslan (and any others) if you are familiar with an Italian series called “La Piovra” (they did have a curious tendency to confuse Bulgarians and Russians, but in the main, it was quite informative)
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Fri, 13 Apr 2012 07:45:13 +0000http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=8990#comment-431272Uh NAFTA, why would the US mainstream media regularly report on rape and murder that goes on south of the border? The media here in Moscow hasn’t reported anything about the murder of Trayvon Martin you know. Also, Europe gets its drugs from other sources. Hash comes in from North Africa, heroin through Russia and Turkey.
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Fri, 13 Apr 2012 01:02:36 +0000http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=8990#comment-431101Yeah, NAFTA, they are, being fueled by American guns and money going south in exchange for American drug purchases coming north. Pump too much honey into your septic tank, and it’ll come flowing right back into your kitchen door, won’t it?
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Thu, 12 Apr 2012 23:51:08 +0000http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=8990#comment-431074Of COURSE they were white – I am WHITE – and I know it’s wacko white men who would do something like this.
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Thu, 12 Apr 2012 21:58:08 +0000http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=8990#comment-431015The loss of human life is deplorable. While two camo clad individuals opened fire (what are we hinting at?) how many have been killed in the country these two victims were fleeing? Who is doing the killing there? How much rape,kidnapping and mass murder is going on both south and north of the border that doesn’t make the mainstream news? While the executive branch both present and past throw resources at the problem it doesn’t go away. Bringing to light some frustrated vigilantes makes for good conversation but fails to address the bigger issue. If it was indeed vigilantes.
Mexican drug cartels are in the U.S. , Canada, Europe.
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Thu, 12 Apr 2012 19:46:53 +0000http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=8990#comment-430953Why argue over what group is responsible? It’s more important to work to see that the murderers are caught and penalized for their actions.
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Tue, 10 Apr 2012 22:25:19 +0000http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=8990#comment-429793Yup, these criminal acts reek of rogue elements of minuteKKKlan characteristics.

They didn’t seize their drug loads. Didn’t take the illegals hostage for ransom purposes. They flat out open fire.

Shawna Forde-esque murder.

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Tue, 10 Apr 2012 19:39:02 +0000http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=8990#comment-429710Odds are that this is the work of a citizen border watch group that is made up of white supremacists and other nut jobs. Only time will tell.
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Tue, 10 Apr 2012 18:49:23 +0000http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=8990#comment-429697Any time you disagree with anybody, Jason, it’s either because they’re Jewish, “Mooslin”, “cultural Marxists”, not white, or are out to get white people for being racist, which you claim is false, though you clearly affiliate yourself to such a class. Clearly, you are either a manic-depressive, a multiple personality, or a committee.

Ruslan, I don’t think this committee of nutcases would recognize a Jew if he/they were to be bitten by a kosher bagel.

Except for the part about Israel, your last blast could have been heard on a Nuremberg streetcorner in 1930. It was sheer thuggish ugliness then and it still is.

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Tue, 10 Apr 2012 17:11:27 +0000http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=8990#comment-429669Jason, I’m not Jewish, and I’m certainly not a Zionist. Don’t throw a fit just because I pointed out how you idiotically claimed this article implied the shooters were white when there was absolutely nothing which could be interpreted that way in the text.
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Tue, 10 Apr 2012 16:53:50 +0000http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=8990#comment-429661Ruslan,

You Jews are so pushy! Geez! Your country of Israel has a system of Apartheid against the Palestinians. So get off my back you loudmouth pushy Jew!

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Tue, 10 Apr 2012 16:52:14 +0000http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=8990#comment-429660Sadly, a fair number of people are probably saying to themselves, “Way to go, guys! That’ll learn them illegals to stay on their own side of the fence!”
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Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:50:43 +0000http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=8990#comment-429522One way to appease the masses as they are being declassed, of course, is to give them a class of “unpeople” on whom they may take out their rage with impunity.

Meanwhile, Jason Smith, you have managed to be totally irrelevant again. What matters is that people were murdered by assailants in military-type gear and carrying military-type weapons in what appeared to be a military-type ambush, and that if they were U.S. citizens murdering the citizens of a neighboring country with whom our own is at peace, this has serious implications indeed. That is the moreso if they are either genuine veterans, or contracters.

I still wonder if you are a committee.

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Tue, 10 Apr 2012 03:27:36 +0000http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=8990#comment-429336Jason, please point out the lines in the article which imply the men in camo were white. Or admit that as a White Nationalist, you live in a bizarre fantasy world where everyone is trying to persecute you. Either way would be fine.

Also note that if we did assume they were white, it wouldn’t be that odd since America is still majority-white. I thought you’d be happy about that.

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Tue, 10 Apr 2012 03:01:08 +0000http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=8990#comment-429322I should also point out that Neo Nazi JT Ready is probably too busy trying to campaign in Pinal County as a Democrat. Not sure if the Nazi had garnered enough signatures to get on the ballet.
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Tue, 10 Apr 2012 02:54:24 +0000http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=8990#comment-429321Racist speculated that the killings are a result of “RIP crews”, which is comprised of rival renegade drug smugglers inside the U.S. But those easily debunked, since RIP crews would generally go for the drug bundles, cache of weapons and money.
It also cannot be rival coyote gangs, since they would usually hold the remaining immigrants for ransom.

I hate to say it, but I would also point out that Neo-Nazi JT Ready’s group is most likely not involved. He stays within the Pinal County and sticks with the patrols in the Vekol Valley. He has a working partnership with PCSO and Border Patrol.

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Tue, 10 Apr 2012 01:47:52 +0000http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=8990#comment-429296I don’t recognize my own country anymore. A few miles north of me, competing hate groups are “patrolling” Sanford, FL- armed to the teeth. What has happened is that the GOP has moved so far to the right that they are giving cover and credibility to unhinged crackpots. These are the people who go around as vigilantes.

In fact, some of those unhinged crackpots are now in the US Congress and local state legislatures due to the Tea Party.

On immigration, the masses are being played. Here in Florida, the GOP dominated legislature voted down an immigration bill requiring employer verification. The hospitality industry needs the cheap labor.

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Tue, 10 Apr 2012 00:57:28 +0000http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=8990#comment-429282There is an implication in this article that the ‘camo-clad’ men were white. Why do you assume the default America is a white male? Maybe these were black Americans, or Asian Americans, or some other race, wearing camouflage.
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Mon, 09 Apr 2012 22:37:35 +0000http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=8990#comment-429238Dragon, I went from Loonwatch to LGF to get the copy of the video where Breitbart’s crony made those admissions. Now, that one won’t open either. Do you know if there’s a transcript?
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Mon, 09 Apr 2012 22:05:38 +0000http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=8990#comment-429217Mid-Twentieth Century, when violence of the kind we’re seeing went down, it was a by-product of times that were a-changing. Now, it’s more like times are a-changing back.
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Mon, 09 Apr 2012 21:57:45 +0000http://www.splcenter.org/blog/?p=8990#comment-429212Ryan Lenz,

Hopefully these guys have never spent anytime in any actual military, or have any real paramilitary training. That will only make them harder to capture and more likely that they will successfully kill again. Either way the police should get to work tracking down and apprehending these people