tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26661019.post115268629370339047..comments2017-08-03T00:16:48.244-07:00Comments on Permanent Revolution: V. Krishna Ananthhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00381406646193846769noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26661019.post-1153507217790363262006-07-21T11:40:00.000-07:002006-07-21T11:40:00.000-07:00Well, we are back to where we began... and cheri, ...Well, we are back to where we began... and cheri, by not condemoning violence and condoning some of it as long as it represents an ideology that i think is right, are we not closing the scope for a debate based on a long view of history?<BR/><BR/>I mean, do you think violent means to resolve a conflict have led society into ending conflicts... i mean, is it not true that conflicts that were V. Krishna Ananthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00381406646193846769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26661019.post-1153320162062343202006-07-19T07:42:00.000-07:002006-07-19T07:42:00.000-07:00None of us are celebrating violence, but as Vibha ...None of us are celebrating violence, but as Vibha noted, not all forms of violence come armed with RDX. Cutting off a person’s right to livelihood is almost as cruel as ending his or her life. Without recognizing these silent acts of violence, we cannot develop a critique of violence at all. <BR/><BR/> Looking at it from this perspective, development is, at some level, violence; and all of us Cherinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26661019.post-1153229025481750072006-07-18T06:23:00.000-07:002006-07-18T06:23:00.000-07:00I wrote a long piece and then deleted it worried t...I wrote a long piece and then deleted it worried that I was writing rubbish...It is obvious that a debate on violence/war is always going to wander down the line Cheri pointed out. While the question of what constitutes morally acceptable violent action is debatable, I personally believe that killing civilians (intentional/collateral/whatever/whenever) under any circumstance must be condemned. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26661019.post-1153222777594871592006-07-18T04:39:00.000-07:002006-07-18T04:39:00.000-07:00I think Cheri has led Abdus into a position which ...I think Cheri has led Abdus into a position which I had taken until a few years ago. And that we cannot condemn violence as such, which is also the same as condoning violence in specific contexts. And let me qualify, condoning is different from celebrating violence. I suppose none of us here are celebrating violence. <BR/><BR/>Now, is this not a trap? That I will condone a set of violent acts V. Krishna Ananthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00381406646193846769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26661019.post-1153204399152282972006-07-17T23:33:00.000-07:002006-07-17T23:33:00.000-07:00Agreed, violence in any form is heinous, and must ...Agreed, violence in any form is heinous, and must be condemned as such. Nevertheless, an unqualified look at violence ends up in legitimising the monopoly of the state on violence, and looks at State violence upon its citizens, or citizens of other nations, as the State’s duty to maintain ‘law and order’, or ‘sovereignty.’<BR/><BR/>And therefore, tackling ‘terrorism’ alone is not enough – as Cherinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26661019.post-1153130159470257592006-07-17T02:55:00.000-07:002006-07-17T02:55:00.000-07:00Hi,Think we are getting stuc somewhere.. about vio...Hi,<BR/>Think we are getting stuc somewhere.. about violence. Can we see a distinction in violence against the state (and its instruments) and such violence as it occured in Bombay then... <BR/>And as for Vibha's point about the apathetic state, I am reminded on Tilak's article in Kesri (in 1908) for which he was prosecuted and deported to Burma under Section 124-A of the IPC... and reember.. V. Krishna Ananthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00381406646193846769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26661019.post-1153128840449147372006-07-17T02:34:00.000-07:002006-07-17T02:34:00.000-07:00am joining in...and the point that brings me in is...am joining in...<BR/>and the point that brings me in is the whole "good war" "bad war" distinction.<BR/>i hitnk abdus makes a valid point when he says that we need to respect the sanctity of human life...which then illegitimises the use of violence in solving any issue. <BR/>the means to achiving an end should be as important as the end itself.<BR/>i remember this line from the film "hazaaron Vibhahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11778483574107217150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26661019.post-1153110360986616252006-07-16T21:26:00.000-07:002006-07-16T21:26:00.000-07:00Moyna,I think we will be just fooling ourselves or...Moyna,<BR/>I think we will be just fooling ourselves or look like suffering from a syndrome if we look for a Frederick Forsyth type of conspiracy here. Yes, the source of all terrorism is from the games played by the US and the USSR during the cold war... but we have to find a way out of this explanations.. well, i am not too obsesessed with explaining the blasts now... The effect of them on V. Krishna Ananthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00381406646193846769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26661019.post-1152976516192879622006-07-15T08:15:00.000-07:002006-07-15T08:15:00.000-07:00I don't think it matters what the cause is or what...I don't think it matters what the cause is or what the effects of such attacks are - if we believe in the sanctity of human life, we must affirm that killing of civilians in any circumstance is wrong. No collateral damage, no state sponsored war/battle where civilians are targeted and therefore a big NO to all modern weaponry which involve "collateral damage". I think a complete rethink of jus inAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26661019.post-1152878570317238192006-07-14T05:02:00.000-07:002006-07-14T05:02:00.000-07:00well... thought provinking and with some of it i a...well... thought provinking and with some of it i agree but question...? what about the possibility of State's hand in such affairs especially since only the common citizens are harmed or terorized and as you said powerful people do not travel by the local trains...! so isn't there a larger design in this?! or is that too much of a conspiracy theory? <BR/>Some thoughts about our own "7/11"- any Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26661019.post-1152760483833450712006-07-12T20:14:00.000-07:002006-07-12T20:14:00.000-07:00Well Prasanth,I don't feel like going upto Kasuri....Well Prasanth,<BR/>I don't feel like going upto Kasuri... The point is that the Indian state too has, over the years, conveyed a message and in a rather emphatic fashion that it will not heed to democratic protests... and let us not get into a framework where we begin to place responsibility to all violent incidents at Pakistan. Pakistan may be playing games and that is possible only because V. Krishna Ananthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00381406646193846769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26661019.post-1152755534334125002006-07-12T18:52:00.000-07:002006-07-12T18:52:00.000-07:00I do not know much about the philosophy or politic...I do not know much about the philosophy or politics of Marxism,having said that,I feel you dont have to be a Marxist to condemn violence...a violence as ghastly as this one.Violence in any form resulting in death of innocent should be condemned irrespective of party/ideological affiliations.<BR/>I strongly agree with you violence is not a solution for issues.<BR/>And for what they have achieved Prasanth Knoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-26661019.post-1152701936190312342006-07-12T03:58:00.000-07:002006-07-12T03:58:00.000-07:00:):)chotunoreply@blogger.com