For the older guys on here favoring gentle treatment of the poachers, the harsher treatment though not desirious, would have one additional benefit. It would prevent your daughters from bringing said miscaltrants home and introducing them to you as their new boyfriends.

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Or in todays society, having your sons bring them home and introducing them to you as their new boyfriends. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

1. As far as empathy for criminals. This wasn't a victimless crime. It's proximate cause was not an addiction. And, it wasn't done to feed a starving family. These are areas where empathy for criminals might be waranted. For example, it makes more sense to treat someone with an addiction that leads to criminal activity with empathy.

2. The ourage here is really that the punishment will not be proportional. I don't really believe that Alex thinks they should get shot for this. They aren't going to get as harsh a punishment as they probably should. That is what seems to really upset people--myself included.

3. If you're upset, stop whining and do something! Take a page from WW and get off your collective butts and start making a differnence. Start lobying for harsher, more enforcable laws.

I like it! My own daughter brought home a little schmuck who tried to tell me he didn't smoke when I could smell it on him. I was driving them to a movie, and stopped the car, turned around and said "don't lie to me, you little shit, I'll twist your head off your neck". To which my daughter said; "he'd do it, too; he was a Navy SEAL". That was the end of my problems with "boyfriends".

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Pheasants and now your daughters boyfriends. Alex, you really need to get a grip on this decapitation thing

Although I think these A-holes should get the full punishment they deserve (and yes, I've sent my personal message to the Grant County prosecutor), do you really want to trade a human life for any number of fish?

I know your sig says you're the "meanest S.O.B. in the valley" but you'd want to see someone die for stealing fish?

Sorry bud, that's just not my philosophy.

Obviously, YMMV.

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Please put me happily in the "wish the sob had drowned" camp. Or shot. Or shot while drowning. Yeah, I hate criminals. And poachers are right up there (down there?) with rapists and pedophiles. Drown 'em all.

If this is handled right, each illegal fish is a separate offense and can carry a separate penalty. Therefore, if done right, the fine can be outrageously high for each of these idiots. Bet it won't be.

Heck let's not stop at these guys, I mean hell these guys only killed fish, lets go after the real bad dudes and duddets lets go after the people who talk on their cell phones and text while driving those people cause over 2,500 human deaths a year and over another 330,000 injuries. Talk about terrorists! Cops should just pull those people over shoot them on sight, impound their cars and stuff and sell it so the state can have more money.

Next on my list is those speeders, you know who you are. Over 10,000 deaths a year are contributed to speeding. Hell over 32% of all traffic deaths can be attributed to speeding at a cost of over $40 billion a year. Those are the real criminals.

And in both these cases, these are people willfully breaking the law and knowingly putting other peoples lives in danger. Not fishes lives, but human lives. These are scumbags to the nth degree and do not deserve right to due process.
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Please put me happily in the "wish the sob had drowned" camp. Or shot. Or shot while drowning. Yeah, I hate criminals. And poachers are right up there (down there?) with rapists and pedophiles. Drown 'em all.

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A gigantic insult to anyone whose life has been closely touched by rape or pedophelia. Definitely the stupidest words I have ever seen written on this forum.

If this is handled right, each illegal fish is a separate offense and can carry a separate penalty. Therefore, if done right, the fine can be outrageously high for each of these idiots. Bet it won't be.

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I was thinking the same thing. I don't fish over there, but to the best of my knowledge those are hatchery fish. How much does each one of those hatchery fish cost us to make? It should be a felony.

They were all Russians and Ukrainians. Unfortunately, if they're making payments on the rig, the bank will return it, so they'll get the fine, and loose their "fishing priviledges". Like they gave a rat's ass about these in the first place. Here, the lack of punishment is appalling.

Most of the Russians and Ukrainians I know are decent people, but there's always a few rotten apples in the barrel-throw them away and the rest will still be decent. What's fun for me, is ice fishing on Fish Lake here, surrounded by Slavic-language speakers who haven't got a clue that I also "gavaru pa Russkiy"! Every now and again, it's good to remind them-keeps `em honest

I see someone in a room alone - not much to do, with a big hole where Philosophy 101 (from college days) occupied for a while, then became boring. Shows up here with the intent of stirring the pot on a daily basis.

I see someone in a room alone - not much to do, with a big hole where Philosophy 101 (from college days) occupied for a while, then became boring. Shows up here with the intent of stirring the pot on a daily basis.

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I had to go back to post #1 to see who posted it. Leland would never stoop so low to do that. But I know a guy who's retired, sitting at the kitchen table (alone) and doesn't have a chance of getting out fishing today. I don't think he had Philosophy 101 but he did have Pot Stirring 420.

Would ya just look at what these 4 assholes have started... in addition to killing one of our best fisheries, they've got us hissing and spitteling at each other (and we rarely do that). On second thought, I know a wolf in Wenatchee that was unjustly denied a legally acquired dinner

Well, Leland, a little while...It dawned on me that the State Is making a mistake in not seizing vehicles where there are liens. The violators still owe the bank or mortgage company, so they still have to make their payments after they lose the vehicle. Talk about punishment!

I wonder if they told that guy who swam in 40 degree water and hiked over volcanic rock in the cold and dark for 10 miles that he faced no jail time, his buddy's truck would be returned, and it was unlikely that he would even be required to pay a fine in a timely manner, whether he would have just let the officers take him... I think he was anticipating a swift merciless justice that doesn't exist in the country, and the only ones that really pay for the crimes are the local tax payers and anglers.

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Most of the Russians and Ukrainians I know are decent people, but there's always a few rotten apples in the barrel-throw them away and the rest will still be decent. What's fun for me, is ice fishing on Fish Lake here, surrounded by Slavic-language speakers who haven't got a clue that I also "gavaru pa Russkiy"! Every now and again, it's good to remind them-keeps `em honest[/quote]

I wouldn't go that far!

I was once standing in a check-out line in Safeway. The checker was talking to this Russian couple. In Russian, they were just ripping her up one side and down the other. So as they were leaving I said good-by to them.....in my native accent (a soft Georgian drawl that is the Georgian time zone 12 hours away). They just gave me a funny look.

Hey, everybody should take up a foreign language!! I broke a ladies tail light in a parking lot when I was in my twenties. Left my name and a phone number. The old lady called my girlfriend and asked for me by using my name in Russian. When I got back down from the mountains I called the old lady....she was just thrilled that somebody with a slavic name broke her taillight and would not accept my money. I doubt that would happen today.