Corky

One thing is for certain – the media will give them a lot of free attention. They are likely to over do things as they often do, but generally I think it’s fine for Kiwis, known for their tolerance, to to see what the two Canadians are actually like.

Alan Wilkinson

Corky

Lauren Southern and Stefan Molyneux have a chance to take the fight to liberals. They should call them out for a public debate. After One News doing a biased number on them tonight, they have some ground to make up.

Hopefully liberal protesters will become violent. That would really tarnish their mana in the public’s eye. And play right into the hands of us Righties.

Corky

I neither know nor care if Chris Trotter or anyone else is likely to be there. It’s of no interest to me.

Why don’t you email him (as you do so many other people) and ask ?

Your resorting to personal abuse is no surprise. One doesn’t end up with an MA Hons (that means Master of Arts; the degree that follows a BA and Honours….well, you wouldn’t understand if I told you what that meant) by being a pseudo intellectual, of course. The fact that you use intellectual as an insult speaks volumes.

An adverb is a word that describes the manner of an action. By saying that hopefully the liberals would be violent, you were saying that they would be violent in a hopeful way, just as someone treading heavily is treading in a heavy way.

Yes, adverbs ARE words, but that doesn’t mean that you were not using it nonsensically.

Alan Wilkinson

Can hopefully mean ‘I hope’?
In the 1960s the second sense of hopefully (“it is hoped”), which dates to the early 18th century and had been in fairly widespread use since at least the 1930s, underwent a surge in popularity. A surge of criticism followed in reaction, but the criticism took no account of the grammar of adverbs. Hopefully when used to mean “it is hoped” is a member of a class of adverbs known as disjuncts. Disjuncts serve as a means by which the author or speaker can comment directly to the reader or hearer usually on the content of the sentence to which they are attached. Many other adverbs (such as interestingly, frankly, clearly, luckily, unfortunately) are similarly used; most are so ordinary as to excite no comment or interest whatsoever. The “it is hoped” sense of hopefully is entirely standard.https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hopefully

PartisanZ

Yay! If the demi-Gods of New Eugenics can get visas, it bodes well for a visit from God himself, Jordan Peterson …

This might lift the profile of the Right Brigade from 1200 to maybe 1300 people …although they’ll remain at 0.03% of the voting age population due to population increase … mostly because of immigration …

Perhaps the release of Alan Titford is imminent?

The actions of the Free Speech Coalition demonstrate that “majority” has got nothing to do with it. These people, Brash and his cronies, are the same minuscule minority who have the wealth and influence to constantly attract media attention their numbers simply do not deserve …

Like the loud, disruptive kids in a classroom that get all the attention despite not wanting to learn anything …

artcroft

Corky

Gezza

My take on Peterson is that he enjoys all the attention & riches his strong male style garners but he has very valid points to make, research to back him up & a combative, aggressive style of defending his views & conclusions.

He wipes the floor with critics who don’t like his views – like strident feminists pushing the “women aren’t doing well in STEM occupations because they are suppressed by the patriarchy” line, & wimpy little humanities professors doing worthless gender bender studies whining that not recognising dozens of self-invented weird nonsense gender identities of mixed up students is “violence” that is causing them severe emotional harm.

In the first case mentioned STEM, the research data he cites appears to be strong & his conclusions supported by other researchers with no particular political axe to grind.

In the 2nd case – there are now reportedly up to 70 gender identities people want to claim for themselves & most have damn all to do with the actual gender the people project in their appearance. He knows a wind up from a hysterical self-entitled disruptive victim when he sees one.

sorethumb

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wooden goat

“…they are left in no doubt what that the majority of New Zealanders think of what they say.”

That’s because the majority of New Zealanders know nothing about Islam (and don’t want to know).
As Orwell said – “if liberty means anything at all it means having the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.”

Why is it that we despise Nazism but so many people love Islam (which has killed an order of magnitude more people and continues to do so)?
Where is the logic and consistency?

In any case – who is saying that the majority is always correct?
“Even if you are a minority of one, the truth is the truth.”
– Mahatma Gandhi

sorethumb

I hope, if they aren’t too shell shocked by their Australian visit and come here, they are left in no doubt what that the majority of New Zealanders think of what they say.
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I hope, if they aren’t too shell shocked by their Australian visit and come here and that their is a perception of minimal support.

sorethumb

Auckland Peace Action will organise a non-violent anti-racist action against any public event of these two fascists. We will not be cowered by your threats of violence. https://t.co/q01ARGwh2C#HateSpeech

Gezza

All Auckland Peace Action, The Islamic Federation, & Phil Goff have done is raise their profile right around New Zealand & send probably thousands to their websites, although my bet is most people will watch a few of their videos & thereafter simply ignore them & get on with their lives.

They won’t get many NZ subscribers because once you’ve heard their views, you know what their views are, what you do & don’t agree with, & you go back to watching the Trump show & whatever else you are usually interested in.

A tiny few genuine white supremacist type racists here might continue to watch & hang on their every word but those with concerns they prefer to air in less spectacularly polarising ways will be wary of using them as their icons.

sorethumb

A tiny few genuine white supremacist type racists here might continue to watch & hang on their every word but those with concerns they prefer to air in less spectacularly polarising ways will be wary of using them as their icons
…..
Are you saying only that sort of person would be interested Gezza?
There are a whole lot of interesting people talking about the same sort of thing
Jordan Peterson
Gaad Sad
Bret Wienstien
Dave Rubin
Thomas Sowel
peter Hitchens
Douglas Murray
Charles Murrray
Aero Magazine
Quillette Magazine
Sam Harris
Johnathon Haidt
Stephan Pinker
Mark Stein
Black Pigeon
Iconoclast
Sargon of Akkadhttp://intellectualdark.website/

Gezza

Yes I know, and some of them are worth listening to, on some topics, & know what they are talking about, & are careful to be precise, & some of them are repeaters & interpreters of what others say, & show little understanding of the detail of what they’te talking about. Molyneux is the one I don’t like. It’s not that I don’t agree with some of what he says, it’s how he peppers his 90 minute soliloquies with misinformation & weaves it into his narratives.

sorethumb

Gezza

Corky

”Auckland Peace Action will organise a non-violent anti-racist action against any public event of these two fascists. We will not be cowered by your threats of violence. ”

Bullshit, they wont be able to contain themselves. However, the Right needs to be careful. They need to remember the media will always focus on the Right should violence break out.

Again, these two speakers should call protesters out. They will be booed into silence. All they need to do is hack it for 5 minutes. Let the liberals crack on. Then walk off. The damage will have been done.

wooden goat

As for fascism – isn’t it “fascist” to want to close down free speech?

Why is it that leftist countries and groups – whether it be the former German Democratic Republic, the Democratic Republic of North Korea or the Auckland Peace Action group – always have names that are the *opposite* of what they preach?

Do the APA people like “human rights” and do they realise that Islam (which the duo will almost certainly mention) breaks every “human right” you can think of?

The right to a fair trial (which doesn’t mean being shot dead by trigger-happy cops)

The right to freedom of expression ( a joke in a country where works of art like The Naked Maja are removed from universities and the Venus de Milo is considered to be obscene….and where the President invokes violence towards hecklers)

The right to not be tortured

There are many states which still have the death penalty

This does not mean that all American violate human rights, any more than all Muslims do.

sorethumb

What a load of BS. The Far Right Activists. Where does that place the National Front (Far – Far Right)?
“A group opposing the New Zealand visit by” Valerie of Te Urerwera Training camp and ANZAC Day flag burning.

It never stops.

wooden goat

Kitty Catkin – “Yes, I am glad that you are finally working that out. Please remember to do it.”

Oh, I do it all the time…. 🙂 I have the facts on my side (see below).

“It is always good to check with unbiassed authorities, not bigoted ones. ”
Ouch – the *Quran* is “bigoted”! ( Actually, yes, it is, but it is certainly also an authority on Islam. The *only* authority, along with the hadiths and Sira (Mohammed’s biography. ).

“And look at more than one source, of course.”
Absolutely agreed! Quran, hadiths Sira – that is the three authorities (and *only* authorities) on Islam.
– w.g.

wooden goat

Seabird

So, before Phil Goff’s banning of Lauren Southern and Stefan Molyneux from Auckland City venues I had never heard of these people. I presume this would be the same for many Kiwis. Since this, what they stand for has gone viral through the media. I don’t think it matters if you are on the left or right side of politics, saying these people are banned because they are alt right or whatever is wrong. As the quote goes,something like ” I may not believe what you are saying, but i will defend to the death your right to say it”
Lauren Southern recently released a video on the plight of white South African Farmers. I have just watched it, and it is truly frighting what these people are going through with many murders and assaults. Please watch and draw your own conclusions.

Gezza

Well it is actually despicable. It’s despicable when any racial group effectively ignores or condones the gruesome murders of members of another group. Or sny murders. And this murdering of isolated white farmers has been happening in South Africa. It’s either wrong or it’s right. I’m not into moral relativism. It’s wrong.