Posted - 2012.05.25 08:51:00 -
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I think the most interesting part of this whole discussion, is how many times CCP officials are unaware of their impact towards the CCP brand. I have never in my life met so arrogant company officials, with an almost godlike attitude.

I do not know what you think about your player base but writing below is simply offending in advance.

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try to maintain some modicum of decorum (that means donGGVt be a butt)

You actually tell your customers that you expect them to be buttGGVs GGt I have never seen a company having success by that customer care strategy.

Furthermore I have also NEVER met a paying customer satisfied with wrong advisory/guidance and afterwards getting punished from following official statements. This is both childish and from a corporate perspective suicidal.

Commenting on advises done towards Hydra and 0utbreak as a DEV seems a little awkward when you do not have time to answer one of the mails send to CCP. After all it would not be hard to respond as the rules seem very clear for CCP.

May I kindly suggest that you seek external advisory on your communications strategy, and maybe train your staff that performs community based work? I cannot understand how an official communication channel is so full of immature statements. Most posts from CCP looks like they are even offended, seeking revenge.

The only reason I can find that allows this behavior, must be that the clients are addicted to your product, myself inclusive.

Someone playing their cards right in a Tournament with given rules should never cause such devaluating reactions from the tournament owner, you changed the rules GGt thatGGVs fine - but stop misbehaving, it looks to me that you are actively trying to fight your customers?

I know you all work with a computer game, but basically itGGVs a product that should be supported by mature and professional officials, seeking to please the clients and avoid hurting the brand from being unorganized and immature.

For you it should not be a game, you should let the player base metagame rather than participating in it GGt with your very touchy emotions.

Grow a pair and admit when you are wrong, after all the truth is out there, mate!

Posted - 2012.05.25 09:09:00 -
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When you said misbehaving I thought you were going to mention that time when CCP Sunset and CCP Soundwave pulled names from a hat knowing full well the names in the hat were pre-selected and the draw was crooked. Meaning that they both decided to lie to anybody that would listen to them, many said it at the time but were screamed down fanbois, day old alts and those with a vested interest in having a rigged tournament, but now we absolutely know for sure it was rigged.

Meaning that we are expected to watch an alliance tournament that has been twisted to their purpose.Meaning that we are supposed to listen to Soundwave repeat his lies in between matches without wondering what his agenda is.Meaning that certain commentators have to go to Iceland to entertain and further the agenda of known liars and swallow that whole without complaint.

I don't see any reasonable way I could ever value a word coming out of Sunset or Soundwave ever again, Sreegs is worse, but people outside of Hydra and Outbreak cannot be 100% certain he is telling bare faced lies so he is perceptably not as corrupt as the two that lied to everybody on video.---ATX: The best of the rest.

"Do not trust a GM's reply to a question because as soon as we can we will screw you over and hit you with an own explenation contrary to the GM's reply"

So everytime a GM tells you to go ahead with something or not go ahead you shoudln't trust on that anymore. Because 5 minutes later you could get a ban for following a GM's advice or warning.

Unfortunately they have gone into full damage control now. They're accusing HYDRA of not doing what they said they're doing in the petition they said, which is different to what they were saying last night.

it seemed like you might have had a point until he posted the actual gm response

then laffo

And since when is a copy paste of a responce a proof in EVE?Also isn't there a rule to never ever post conversations between a GM and a player or group of players?

How handy it can be broken in certain people's advantage. Sadly enough we have to take someone's word even though a lot of people don't trust his word to be a full and accurate communication in this matter.

When you said misbehaving I thought you were going to mention that time when CCP Sunset and CCP Soundwave pulled names from a hat knowing full well the names in the hat were pre-selected and the draw was crooked. Meaning that they both decided to lie to anybody that would listen to them, many said it at the time but were screamed down fanbois, day old alts and those with a vested interest in having a rigged tournament, but now we absolutely know for sure it was rigged.

Meaning that we are expected to watch an alliance tournament that has been twisted to their purpose.Meaning that we are supposed to listen to Soundwave repeat his lies in between matches without wondering what his agenda is.Meaning that certain commentators have to go to Iceland to entertain and further the agenda of known liars and swallow that whole without complaint.

I don't see any reasonable way I could ever value a word coming out of Sunset or Soundwave ever again, Sreegs is worse, but people outside of Hydra and Outbreak cannot be 100% certain he is telling bare faced lies so he is perceptably not as corrupt as the two that lied to everybody on video.

You sound like a paranoid idiot, what makes you say the names were pre-selected ?

And since when is a copy paste of a responce a proof in EVE?Also isn't there a rule to never ever post conversations between a GM and a player or group of players?

How handy it can be broken in certain people's advantage. Sadly enough we have to take someone's word even though a lot of people don't trust his word to be a full and accurate communication in this matter.

But leave it up to a Goon to advocate for Screegs. Homies forever, right.

the people who make the rules are free to change themif hydra wants to claim the gm response sreegs posted was fake they'd be free to do so and we'd doubtless have seen a threadnaught of posting claiming it was a fake

When you said misbehaving I thought you were going to mention that time when CCP Sunset and CCP Soundwave pulled names from a hat knowing full well the names in the hat were pre-selected and the draw was crooked. Meaning that they both decided to lie to anybody that would listen to them, many said it at the time but were screamed down fanbois, day old alts and those with a vested interest in having a rigged tournament, but now we absolutely know for sure it was rigged.

Meaning that we are expected to watch an alliance tournament that has been twisted to their purpose.Meaning that we are supposed to listen to Soundwave repeat his lies in between matches without wondering what his agenda is.Meaning that certain commentators have to go to Iceland to entertain and further the agenda of known liars and swallow that whole without complaint.

I don't see any reasonable way I could ever value a word coming out of Sunset or Soundwave ever again, Sreegs is worse, but people outside of Hydra and Outbreak cannot be 100% certain he is telling bare faced lies so he is perceptably not as corrupt as the two that lied to everybody on video.

You sound like a paranoid idiot, what makes you say the names were pre-selected ?

it seemed like you might have had a point until he posted the actual gm response

then laffo

And since when is a copy paste of a responce a proof in EVE?Also isn't there a rule to never ever post conversations between a GM and a player or group of players?

How handy it can be broken in certain people's advantage. Sadly enough we have to take someone's word even though a lot of people don't trust his word to be a full and accurate communication in this matter.

But leave it up to a Goon to advocate for Screegs. Homies forever, right.

Uh you do realize Hydra had already posted both of those mails before in the locked thread ? When both the player petitioning and a dev post the same correspondence I think you can rely on it not being fake.

When you said misbehaving I thought you were going to mention that time when CCP Sunset and CCP Soundwave pulled names from a hat knowing full well the names in the hat were pre-selected and the draw was crooked. Meaning that they both decided to lie to anybody that would listen to them, many said it at the time but were screamed down fanbois, day old alts and those with a vested interest in having a rigged tournament, but now we absolutely know for sure it was rigged.

Meaning that we are expected to watch an alliance tournament that has been twisted to their purpose.Meaning that we are supposed to listen to Soundwave repeat his lies in between matches without wondering what his agenda is.Meaning that certain commentators have to go to Iceland to entertain and further the agenda of known liars and swallow that whole without complaint.

I don't see any reasonable way I could ever value a word coming out of Sunset or Soundwave ever again, Sreegs is worse, but people outside of Hydra and Outbreak cannot be 100% certain he is telling bare faced lies so he is perceptably not as corrupt as the two that lied to everybody on video.

You sound like a paranoid idiot, what makes you say the names were pre-selected ?

Because at least 3 of the names we now know were not in the hat, so the contents of the hat are now known to have been corrupted and manipulated for a purpose, the extent of which we may never know, but we know it has been done.

Your failure to understand is anticipated.---ATX: The best of the rest.

When you said misbehaving I thought you were going to mention that time when CCP Sunset and CCP Soundwave pulled names from a hat knowing full well the names in the hat were pre-selected and the draw was crooked. Meaning that they both decided to lie to anybody that would listen to them, many said it at the time but were screamed down fanbois, day old alts and those with a vested interest in having a rigged tournament, but now we absolutely know for sure it was rigged.

Meaning that we are expected to watch an alliance tournament that has been twisted to their purpose.Meaning that we are supposed to listen to Soundwave repeat his lies in between matches without wondering what his agenda is.Meaning that certain commentators have to go to Iceland to entertain and further the agenda of known liars and swallow that whole without complaint.

I don't see any reasonable way I could ever value a word coming out of Sunset or Soundwave ever again, Sreegs is worse, but people outside of Hydra and Outbreak cannot be 100% certain he is telling bare faced lies so he is perceptably not as corrupt as the two that lied to everybody on video.

You sound like a paranoid idiot, what makes you say the names were pre-selected ?

Because at least 3 of the names we now know were not in the hat, so the contents of the hat are now known to have been corrupted and manipulated for a purpose, the extent of which we may never know, but we know it has been done.

Your failure to understand is anticipated.

What three names would those be? This is news to me."Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012

When you said misbehaving I thought you were going to mention that time when CCP Sunset and CCP Soundwave pulled names from a hat knowing full well the names in the hat were pre-selected and the draw was crooked. Meaning that they both decided to lie to anybody that would listen to them, many said it at the time but were screamed down fanbois, day old alts and those with a vested interest in having a rigged tournament, but now we absolutely know for sure it was rigged.

Meaning that we are expected to watch an alliance tournament that has been twisted to their purpose.Meaning that we are supposed to listen to Soundwave repeat his lies in between matches without wondering what his agenda is.Meaning that certain commentators have to go to Iceland to entertain and further the agenda of known liars and swallow that whole without complaint.

I don't see any reasonable way I could ever value a word coming out of Sunset or Soundwave ever again, Sreegs is worse, but people outside of Hydra and Outbreak cannot be 100% certain he is telling bare faced lies so he is perceptably not as corrupt as the two that lied to everybody on video.

You sound like a paranoid idiot, what makes you say the names were pre-selected ?

Because at least 3 of the names we now know were not in the hat, so the contents of the hat are now known to have been corrupted and manipulated for a purpose, the extent of which we may never know, but we know it has been done.

Your failure to understand is anticipated.

What three names would those be? This is news to me.

Many things would be news to you, it's not much of a revelation.---ATX: The best of the rest.

Because at least 3 of the names we now know were not in the hat, so the contents of the hat are now known to have been corrupted and manipulated for a purpose, the extent of which we may never know, but we know it has been done.

Your failure to understand is anticipated.

oh you mean the names that were removed from the hat for violating clear-cut AT rules

yes this was clearly a ~CONSPIRACY~ to enforce a rule that had existed long before the submission period was even announcedeh

When you said misbehaving I thought you were going to mention that time when CCP Sunset and CCP Soundwave pulled names from a hat knowing full well the names in the hat were pre-selected and the draw was crooked. Meaning that they both decided to lie to anybody that would listen to them, many said it at the time but were screamed down fanbois, day old alts and those with a vested interest in having a rigged tournament, but now we absolutely know for sure it was rigged.

Meaning that we are expected to watch an alliance tournament that has been twisted to their purpose.Meaning that we are supposed to listen to Soundwave repeat his lies in between matches without wondering what his agenda is.Meaning that certain commentators have to go to Iceland to entertain and further the agenda of known liars and swallow that whole without complaint.

I don't see any reasonable way I could ever value a word coming out of Sunset or Soundwave ever again, Sreegs is worse, but people outside of Hydra and Outbreak cannot be 100% certain he is telling bare faced lies so he is perceptably not as corrupt as the two that lied to everybody on video.

You sound like a paranoid idiot, what makes you say the names were pre-selected ?

Because at least 3 of the names we now know were not in the hat, so the contents of the hat are now known to have been corrupted and manipulated for a purpose, the extent of which we may never know, but we know it has been done.

Your failure to understand is anticipated.

What three names would those be? This is news to me.

News like the unanswered emails in your official AT team inbox? Or did the evil spam filter eat those after all? /o

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