US's largest anti-Muslim group cancels dozens of rallies after seeing size of anti-fascist crowds in Boston

The group was planning to hold 67 events across 36 states

The largest anti-Muslim group in the US is cancelling dozens of planned rallies having witnessed the number of anti-right wing protesters who gathered in Boston to demonstrate against white nationalists.

ACT for America was scheduled to hold 67 rallies in 36 states on September 9 to show its support for the “common sense America First” policies proposed by Donald Trump. The group claims the policies “prioritise real protection over political correctness, and celebrate American exceptionalism”.

But after thousands of people turned out to protest against white nationalism and white supremacy in Boston last weekend - a show of strength that led the organisers of the so-called free speech rally to cut short the event - ACT has said it is calling off its own rallies and will hold an online day of action instead.

ACT, whose leader Brigitte Gabriel whose long issued statements denouncing Islam and claiming devout Muslims cannot be “loyal Americans”, announced its decision in the aftermath of neo-Nazi-led violence in Charlottesville that left one young woman dead and up to 20 people injured.

While there was violence committed by both the white supremacists and their opponents, most reports suggest the worst of the aggression was committed by the white supremacists, who had marched through the Virginia college town with semi-automatic weapons and tactical gear.

Donald Trump found himself at the centre of controversy after saying there was “blame on many sides” and defended some of those protesting over the planned removal of a statue of Confederate general Robert E Lee.

A 20-year-old man from Ohio, who was said to have been an admirer of Adolf Hitler, has been charged with murder, after he allegedly drove his car into a group of people. A 32-year-old paralegal, Heather Heyer, was killed.

Remember that president Roosevelt, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, put 110,000 Japanese Americans into detention centers; that President Lowell of Harvard imposed anti-Jewish quotas, that discrimination against women was rampant. Once you start rewriting history of African-Americans in this country, you have to start rewriting history of discrimination against many, many other groups. Look, we’re both a nation of immigrants and a nation of discrimination against immigrants. That’s an important history for us to remember. And the other important thing is do not glorify the violent people who are now tearing down the statues.Many of these people — not all of them — many of these people are trying to tear down America. Antifa is a radical anti-American, anti-free market, communist, socialist, hard, hard-left censorial organization that tries to stop speakers on campuses from speaking. They use violence, and just because they’re opposed to fascism and to some of these monuments shouldn’t make them heroes of the liberals.

The attempt in the West to impose a strict set of rules about what one is allowed to think and express in academia and in the media -- to the point that anyone who disobeys is discredited, demonized, intimidated and in danger of losing his or her livelihood -- is just as toxic and just as reminiscent of Orwell's diseased society.

The main facet of this PC tyranny, so perfectly predicted by George Orwell, is the inversion of good and evil -- of victim and victimizer. In such a universe, radical Muslims are victimized by the West, and not the other way around. This has led to a slanted teaching of the history of Islam and its conquests, both as a justification of the distortion and as a reflection of it.

Thought-control is necessary for the repression of populations ruled by despotic regimes. That it is proudly and openly being used by self-described liberals and human-rights advocates in free societies is not only hypocritical and shocking; it is a form of aiding and abetting regimes whose ultimate goal is to eradicate Western ideals.

Political correctness (PC) has been bolstering radical Islamism. This influence was most recently shown again in an extensive exposé by the Clarion Project in July 2017, which demonstrates the practice of telling "deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them in order to forget any fact that has become inconvenient" -- or, as George Orwell called it in his novel, 1984, "Doublespeak."

This courtship and marriage between the Western chattering classes and radical Muslim fanatics was elaborated by Andrew C. McCarthy in his crucial 2010 book, The Grand Jihad: How Islam and the Left Sabotage America.Since then, this union has strengthened. Both the United States and the rest of the West are engaged in a romance with forces that are, bluntly, antagonistic to the values of liberty and human rights.To understand this seeming paradox, one needs to understand what radical Islamism and PC have in common. Although Islamism represents all that PC ostensibly opposes -- such as the curbing of free speech, the repression of women, gays and "apostates" -- both have become totalitarian ideologies.The totalitarian nature of radical Islamism is more obvious than that of Western political correctness -- and certainly more deadly. Sunni terrorists, such as ISIS and Hamas -- and Shiites, such as Hezbollah and its state sponsor, Iran -- use mass murder to accomplish their ultimate goal of an Islamic Caliphate that dominates the world and subjugates non-Muslims.The attempt in the West, however, to impose a strict set of rules about what one is allowed to think and express in academia and in the media -- to the point that anyone who disobeys is discredited, demonized, intimidated and in danger of losing his or her livelihood -- is just as toxic and just as reminiscent of Orwell's view of a diseased society.These rules are not merely unspoken ones. Quoting a Fox News interview with American columnist Rachel Alexander, the Clarion Project points out that the Associated Press -- whose stylebook is used as a key reference by a majority of English-language newspapers worldwide for uniformity of grammar, punctuation and spelling -- is now directing writers to avoid certain words and terms that are now deemed unacceptable to putative liberals.Alexander recently wrote:

"Even when individual authors do not adhere to the bias of AP Style, it often doesn't matter. If they submit an article to a mainstream media outlet, they will likely see their words edited to conform. A pro-life author who submits a piece taking a position against abortion will see the words 'pro-life' changed to 'anti-abortion,' because the AP Stylebook instructs, 'Use anti-abortion instead of pro-life and pro-abortion rights instead of pro-abortion or pro-choice.' It goes on, 'Avoid abortionist,' saying the term 'connotes a person who performs clandestine abortions.'

"Words related to terrorism are sanitized in the AP Stylebook. Militant, lone wolves or attackers are to be used instead of terrorist or Islamist. 'People struggling to enter Europe' is favored over 'migrant' or 'refugee.' While it's true that many struggle to enter Europe, it is accurate to point out that they are, in fact, immigrants or refugees."

To be sure, the AP Stylebook does not carry the same weight or authority as the Quranic texts on which radical Islamists base their jihadist actions and totalitarian aims. It does constitute, however, a cultural decree that has turned religious in its fervor. It gives a glimpse, as well, into the intellectual tyranny that has pervaded liberal Western thought and institutions.The main facet of this PC tyranny, so perfectly predicted by Orwell, is the inversion of good and evil -- of victim and victimizer. In such a universe, radical Muslims are victimized by the West, and not the other way around. This has led to a slanted teaching of the history of Islam and its conquests, both as a justification of the distortion and as a reflection of it.As far back as 2003, the Middle East Forum reported on the findings of a study conducted by the American Textbook Council, an independent New York-based research organization, which stated:

"[Over the last decade], the coverage of Islam in world history textbooks has expanded and in some respects improved.... But on significant Islam-related subjects, textbooks omit, flatter, embellish, and resort to happy talk, suspending criticism or harsh judgments that would raise provocative or even alarming questions."

Thought-control is necessary for the repression of populations ruled by despotic regimes. That it is proudly and openly being used by self-described liberals and human-rights advocates in free societies is not only hypocritical and shocking; it is a form of aiding and abetting regimes whose ultimate goal is to eradicate Western ideals. The relationship between the two must be recognized for what it is: a marriage made in hell.

sassy wrote:US's largest anti-Muslim group cancels dozens of rallies after seeing size of anti-fascist crowds in Boston

The group was planning to hold 67 events across 36 states

The largest anti-Muslim group in the US is cancelling dozens of planned rallies having witnessed the number of anti-right wing protesters who gathered in Boston to demonstrate against white nationalists.

ACT for America was scheduled to hold 67 rallies in 36 states on September 9 to show its support for the “common sense America First” policies proposed by Donald Trump. The group claims the policies “prioritise real protection over political correctness, and celebrate American exceptionalism”.

But after thousands of people turned out to protest against white nationalism and white supremacy in Boston last weekend - a show of strength that led the organisers of the so-called free speech rally to cut short the event - ACT has said it is calling off its own rallies and will hold an online day of action instead.

ACT, whose leader Brigitte Gabriel whose long issued statements denouncing Islam and claiming devout Muslims cannot be “loyal Americans”, announced its decision in the aftermath of neo-Nazi-led violence in Charlottesville that left one young woman dead and up to 20 people injured.

While there was violence committed by both the white supremacists and their opponents, most reports suggest the worst of the aggression was committed by the white supremacists, who had marched through the Virginia college town with semi-automatic weapons and tactical gear.

Donald Trump found himself at the centre of controversy after saying there was “blame on many sides” and defended some of those protesting over the planned removal of a statue of Confederate general Robert E Lee.

A 20-year-old man from Ohio, who was said to have been an admirer of Adolf Hitler, has been charged with murder, after he allegedly drove his car into a group of people. A 32-year-old paralegal, Heather Heyer, was killed.

sassy wrote:US's largest anti-Muslim group cancels dozens of rallies after seeing size of anti-fascist crowds in Boston

The group was planning to hold 67 events across 36 states

The largest anti-Muslim group in the US is cancelling dozens of planned rallies having witnessed the number of anti-right wing protesters who gathered in Boston to demonstrate against white nationalists.

ACT for America was scheduled to hold 67 rallies in 36 states on September 9 to show its support for the “common sense America First” policies proposed by Donald Trump. The group claims the policies “prioritise real protection over political correctness, and celebrate American exceptionalism”.

But after thousands of people turned out to protest against white nationalism and white supremacy in Boston last weekend - a show of strength that led the organisers of the so-called free speech rally to cut short the event - ACT has said it is calling off its own rallies and will hold an online day of action instead.

ACT, whose leader Brigitte Gabriel whose long issued statements denouncing Islam and claiming devout Muslims cannot be “loyal Americans”, announced its decision in the aftermath of neo-Nazi-led violence in Charlottesville that left one young woman dead and up to 20 people injured.

While there was violence committed by both the white supremacists and their opponents, most reports suggest the worst of the aggression was committed by the white supremacists, who had marched through the Virginia college town with semi-automatic weapons and tactical gear.

Donald Trump found himself at the centre of controversy after saying there was “blame on many sides” and defended some of those protesting over the planned removal of a statue of Confederate general Robert E Lee.

A 20-year-old man from Ohio, who was said to have been an admirer of Adolf Hitler, has been charged with murder, after he allegedly drove his car into a group of people. A 32-year-old paralegal, Heather Heyer, was killed.

sassy wrote:US's largest anti-Muslim group cancels dozens of rallies after seeing size of anti-fascist crowds in Boston

The group was planning to hold 67 events across 36 states

The largest anti-Muslim group in the US is cancelling dozens of planned rallies having witnessed the number of anti-right wing protesters who gathered in Boston to demonstrate against white nationalists.

ACT for America was scheduled to hold 67 rallies in 36 states on September 9 to show its support for the “common sense America First” policies proposed by Donald Trump. The group claims the policies “prioritise real protection over political correctness, and celebrate American exceptionalism”.

But after thousands of people turned out to protest against white nationalism and white supremacy in Boston last weekend - a show of strength that led the organisers of the so-called free speech rally to cut short the event - ACT has said it is calling off its own rallies and will hold an online day of action instead.

ACT, whose leader Brigitte Gabriel whose long issued statements denouncing Islam and claiming devout Muslims cannot be “loyal Americans”, announced its decision in the aftermath of neo-Nazi-led violence in Charlottesville that left one young woman dead and up to 20 people injured.

While there was violence committed by both the white supremacists and their opponents, most reports suggest the worst of the aggression was committed by the white supremacists, who had marched through the Virginia college town with semi-automatic weapons and tactical gear.

Donald Trump found himself at the centre of controversy after saying there was “blame on many sides” and defended some of those protesting over the planned removal of a statue of Confederate general Robert E Lee.

A 20-year-old man from Ohio, who was said to have been an admirer of Adolf Hitler, has been charged with murder, after he allegedly drove his car into a group of people. A 32-year-old paralegal, Heather Heyer, was killed.

That's a different matter entirely. They called off their own protests, they didn't have them cancelled by someone else.

Sassy's point is still quite valid. The KKK, Neo-Nazis and white supremacists may appear in the guise of protesters, but they are far from it.

The KKK, Neo-Nazis and white supremacists want confrontation and violence, not free speech. The First Amendment protects free speech and freedom of assembly, but it does not protect the opportunity to hurt others. As seen in Charlottesville, the KKK, Neo-Nazis and white supremacists showed up with bats, hammers and open-carry firearms; they are looking for something much different then peaceable assembly. They are looking for violence.

What is interesting about your point, Raggs, is that they did withdraw voluntarily. What that shows is that they are cowards when it comes to a fair fight. They realize that they are not demonstrators, as does everyone else by now. The protestor disguise is a ruse. Their intent is to bang on 'snowflakes'. What a surprise when some real beef shows up, ready and willing to pound them. Haha... They didn't bargain for that. So they ran...on down the Mississippi, to the Gulf of Mexico!

That's a different matter entirely. They called off their own protests, they didn't have them cancelled by someone else.

Sassy's point is still quite valid. The KKK, Neo-Nazis and white supremacists may appear in the guise of protesters, but they are far from it.

The KKK, Neo-Nazis and white supremacists want confrontation and violence, not free speech. The First Amendment protects free speech and freedom of assembly, but it does not protect the opportunity to hurt others. As seen in Charlottesville, the KKK, Neo-Nazis and white supremacists showed up with bats, hammers and open-carry firearms; they are looking for something much different then peaceable assembly. They are looking for violence.

What is interesting about your point, Raggs, is that they did withdraw voluntarily. What that shows is that they are cowards when it comes to a fair fight. They realize that they are not demonstrators, as does everyone else by now. The protestor disguise is a ruse. Their intent is to bang on 'snowflakes'. What a surprise when some real beef shows up, ready and willing to pound them. Haha... They didn't bargain for that. So they ran...on down the Mississippi, to the Gulf of Mexico!

I agree on that white supremacists want confrontation and violence, but so do the Far left in antifa.As how do you explain the violence by them in Boston against the Police?

You see what you fail to grasp Quill is that Antifa maybe anti-fascist, but they are anti-American, Anti-Capitalism, anti-any Government unless its socialist anarchy. Where most of all they more than any are anti-free speech, rioting at places like Berkeley. Where they hijacked a peaceful protest to then riot. So Antifa may not be Nazi's and the only good thing about them is they are anti-fascist, but that is about as far as there is anything good about them. As seen they care little for laws, and think they are above the laws using violence against anyone who's views conflict with them. Where they see anyone right of Stalin as fascists.

Antifa should be condemned for the violent thugs they are. I once was violent and rightly have been condemned for when I was. What you do is back those unified peacefully to stem any hatred.

Now there is no doubt and as i have proved on another thread that white supremacists started the violence, the first night, but the next day many Antifa also started violence and what did it achieve?

Nothing positive, other than an escalation of violence.

Stand by those who are united peacefully to stand against any hate. Don't jump into bed with violent people, just because on one issue they are on the same hymn sheet as you. As on the rest they would turn you over also and call you fascist. As even your leftism Quill, is too right wing for them.

Doing its job by rioting in places like Berkeley by shutting down any people it disagrees with.

That is no different to any anti-abortionists, shutting down an abortion clinic, because they do not agree with it.

You then slate the entire US Police force as if they are all racist. You seriously are so naive and actually by your stupidity, incite further hate and violence by such stupid views. You seem to forget many white people are also killed by Police. The reality being those killed by police happens mainly due to the gun culture the US has, topped off with a high crime rate. Leading to fear with some Police, being then trigger happy, mainly formed from fear. It shows that some should not be Police officers, because they are too jumpy in how to deal with a situation. Now there is no doubt some shootings are racially motivated, but by the fact you slander the entire US Police when they save countless lives daily. Placing their lives on the line. Shows how you are emotionally controlled in your thinking.

You are ruled by a confirmation bias, where any shooting of a African American is seen by you automatically as a racist murder and not what they generally are. Some Police officers dealing in a daily environment, where people carry guns and where gun crime is high. This creates a fear and creates a situation where Police will be jumpy. By then making dreadful mistakes. Its your gun culture and crime, based off relative poverty that creates this situation.

Do you need a ladder to get out of the hole you have dug for yourself?

Tommy Monk wrote:The people at the legally sanctioned rally would have been entirely peaceful had they not come under attack from the hostile mob that turned up illegally and started attacking them...!

No, the KKK, Neo-Nazis and white supremacists were looking for violence. They showed up with firearms, baseball bats and vehicles...with the express intent to kill.

They would never have received permits had they been truthful, telling authorities that they intended to do violence to persons and property. So it was not legally sanction for what they intended.

Universities and civil authorities are doing the right thing, cancelling rallies and putting up anchor fences, now that they know what the KKK, Neo-Nazis and white supremacists are up to.

Tommy Monk wrote:The people at the legally sanctioned rally would have been entirely peaceful had they not come under attack from the hostile mob that turned up illegally and started attacking them...!

No, the KKK, Neo-Nazis and white supremacists were looking for violence. They showed up with firearms, baseball bats and vehicles...with the express intent to kill.

They would never have received permits had they been truthful, telling authorities that they intended to do violence to persons and property. So it was not legally sanction for what they intended.

Universities and civil authorities are doing the right thing, cancelling rallies and putting up anchor fences, now that they know what the KKK, Neo-Nazis and white supremacists are up to.

I think you'll find that firearms, baseball bats and vehicles are all totally legal... and they turned up to the location that they were legally permitted to be... it was the other hostile mob who turned up without legal permission who caused the violence... had they stayed away then there wouldn't have been any violence...!

_________________“Truth is ever to be found in the simplicity, and not in the multiplicity and confusion of things.” — Isaac Newton

'The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it.' — George Orwell

No, the KKK, Neo-Nazis and white supremacists were looking for violence. They showed up with firearms, baseball bats and vehicles...with the express intent to kill.

They would never have received permits had they been truthful, telling authorities that they intended to do violence to persons and property. So it was not legally sanction for what they intended.

Universities and civil authorities are doing the right thing, cancelling rallies and putting up anchor fences, now that they know what the KKK, Neo-Nazis and white supremacists are up to.

I think you'll find that firearms, baseball bats and vehicles are all totally legal... and they turned up to the location that they were legally permitted to be... it was the other hostile mob who turned up without legal permission who caused the violence... had they stayed away then there wouldn't have been any violence...!

The MO of Antifa is to cover their faces (because they're cowards) scream abuse at women, physically assault women (because they're cowards) throw bottles of piss about and attack anyone who may dare to wear a 'support free speech' t-shirt - Soros funded thugs who have no articulate argument to anything so resort to masked up violence

Tommy Monk wrote:The people at the legally sanctioned rally would have been entirely peaceful had they not come under attack from the hostile mob that turned up illegally and started attacking them...!

Yes I can well understand the frustrations of anyone (left or right wing) who feels their God given right to demonstrate has been curtailed.

But as a pragmatist I see things in a practical way.

The police are chronically short of funds.

They are therefore likely to put people off organising protest marches - nothing to do with bias.

It costs a fortune to police marches and it overstreches their already stretched resources.

Tommy Monk wrote:The police are not chronically short of funds... they are just not spending the money efficiently enough...!

For an organisation that YOU say isn't short of funds, they've certainly laid off a lot of members.They have cut down police numbers right down to the wire. Tens of thousands of jobs have gone in a few short years - and there are more brutal job cuts to come.Why do that, if not due to shortage of funds?

Tommy Monk wrote: And if legally held marches/rally's didnt have mobs of hostile lefty twats turning up and causing violence, then policing costs would be minimal too...!

And vice versa.Cuts both ways. Foolhardy to lay all the blame on one side, no?

The MO of Antifa is to cover their faces (because they're cowards) scream abuse at women, physically assault women (because they're cowards) throw bottles of piss about and attack anyone who may dare to wear a 'support free speech' t-shirt - Soros funded thugs who have no articulate argument to anything so resort to masked up violence

that's your answer is it?ok

The KKK, Neo-Nazis and white supremacist MO is to kill women. I'd say that Antifa is the one keeping it civilized.

nicko wrote:Are you for real Quill, because i'm beginning to doubt it?

Haven't you heard of Heather Heyer? She was the one intentionally murdered by the KKK, Neo-Nazi, white supremacist in Charlottesville. How do you combat murderers...with harsh language? Tell their mother?

Tommy Monk wrote:The police are not chronically short of funds... they are just not spending the money efficiently enough...!

For an organisation that YOU say isn't short of funds, they've certainly laid off a lot of members.They have cut down police numbers right down to the wire. Tens of thousands of jobs have gone in a few short years - and there are more brutal job cuts to come.Why do that, if not due to shortage of funds?

Tommy Monk wrote: And if legally held marches/rally's didnt have mobs of hostile lefty twats turning up and causing violence, then policing costs would be minimal too...!

And vice versa.Cuts both ways. Foolhardy to lay all the blame on one side, no?

Police officer numbers have reduced but mostly those who were doing back office jobs and these jobs are now being done by admin/clerical staff...

And as to my other point... the blame lays with whatever secondary group who have turned up to cause trouble at a primary event that is legally being held and which would have been peaceful had it not been for the hostile secondary group turning up...!!!

Now... as it is always lefty/fascist groups who do the secondary turning up and causing trouble... who should be getting the blame...!?

_________________“Truth is ever to be found in the simplicity, and not in the multiplicity and confusion of things.” — Isaac Newton

'The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it.' — George Orwell

Tommy Monk wrote:Police officer numbers have reduced but mostly those who were doing back office jobs and these jobs are now being done by admin/clerical staff...

Police staff have been cut by tax-cuts for the wealthy. Conservatives lick their chops thinking of all the welfare benefits they are able to cut; but they forget all about the other services that will be cut...police, fire, healthcare, and the like.

It's amusing for liberals to look over and see conservative pet projects--like law and order, roads and infrastructure, jails and prisons--being cut by the same axe that cuts school lunches for children. I love that blank stare on a conservative face...with the occasional confused blinking of the eyes. Like, waaaaa...

Since then, govt has increased the total amount of tax revenues collected, with corporations paying more than ever, as well as raising the income tax allowance which means regular working people get to keep more of the money they earn with it not being liable for taxation!

Look at this breakdown of tax categories and amounts raised over last few years...

_________________“Truth is ever to be found in the simplicity, and not in the multiplicity and confusion of things.” — Isaac Newton

'The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it.' — George Orwell

Tommy Monk wrote:Since then, govt has increased the total amount of tax revenues collected, with corporations paying more than ever, as well as raising the income tax allowance which means regular working people get to keep more of the money they earn with it not being liable for taxation!

All in all, taxes shouldn't be regressive. So that's a good thing.

But the trend in the UK and the US is to find ways to lower the burden on higher incomes. It's called supply-side economics: the wealthy are more likely to invest, hence the theory goes, the economy takes off.

Of course, it's inverse Keynesian thinking and doesn't work. But it cuts the amounts available for police, fire, and other emergency services.

sassy wrote:US's largest anti-Muslim group cancels dozens of rallies after seeing size of anti-fascist crowds in Boston

The group was planning to hold 67 events across 36 states

The largest anti-Muslim group in the US is cancelling dozens of planned rallies having witnessed the number of anti-right wing protesters who gathered in Boston to demonstrate against white nationalists.

ACT for America was scheduled to hold 67 rallies in 36 states on September 9 to show its support for the “common sense America First” policies proposed by Donald Trump. The group claims the policies “prioritise real protection over political correctness, and celebrate American exceptionalism”.

But after thousands of people turned out to protest against white nationalism and white supremacy in Boston last weekend - a show of strength that led the organisers of the so-called free speech rally to cut short the event - ACT has said it is calling off its own rallies and will hold an online day of action instead.

ACT, whose leader Brigitte Gabriel whose long issued statements denouncing Islam and claiming devout Muslims cannot be “loyal Americans”, announced its decision in the aftermath of neo-Nazi-led violence in Charlottesville that left one young woman dead and up to 20 people injured.

While there was violence committed by both the white supremacists and their opponents, most reports suggest the worst of the aggression was committed by the white supremacists, who had marched through the Virginia college town with semi-automatic weapons and tactical gear.

Donald Trump found himself at the centre of controversy after saying there was “blame on many sides” and defended some of those protesting over the planned removal of a statue of Confederate general Robert E Lee.

A 20-year-old man from Ohio, who was said to have been an admirer of Adolf Hitler, has been charged with murder, after he allegedly drove his car into a group of people. A 32-year-old paralegal, Heather Heyer, was killed.

when you define a group of people of varying races and political affiliations as Left Wing extremist because they attended and Anti Nazi/slavery rally. You are actually a Nazi supporter.

You keep saying all the people against Nazis are far left, you keep defending Nazis saying 'Nazi deserve a voice'.

You see Black people fighting against people that openly says they should be made slaves again and try and classify them as extreme left or the equivalency of the Nazi.

You are not against anything, You already said so, when the time comes you will crumple and let evil has it's way rather than fight. this is the problem with pacifism, it is ultimately the defense of nothing because words are easily ignored. Evil is allowed to flourish when all that's before it is lip service cowards.

_________________My job is to travel the world delivering Chaos and Candy.

We don't know the Questions... does that means we cannot seek the Answers?

veya_victaous wrote:when you define a group of people of varying races and political affiliations as Left Wing extremist because they attended and Anti Nazi/slavery rally. You are actually a Nazi supporter.

You keep saying all the people against Nazis are far left, you keep defending Nazis saying 'Nazi deserve a voice'.

You see Black people fighting against people that openly says they should be made slaves again and try and classify them as extreme left or the equivalency of the Nazi.

You are not against anything, You already said so, when the time comes you will crumple and let evil has it's way rather than fight. this is the problem with pacifism, it is ultimately the defense of nothing because words are easily ignored. Evil is allowed to flourish when all that's before it is lip service cowards.

No I define one of those groups, being that of Antifa. Who are anti-American, Anti-capitalist, anti-liberal, anti-free speech and communist and anarchists. I defend all the other non-violent anti Nazi protesters, which I made explicitly clear.

Which shows your reasoning is as dumb as it gets.

So are you now calling Bernie Sanders and Noam Chomskey Nazi supporters, based on your reasoning when both have condemned Antifa?

Seriously?

Show me anywhere that have I said all people against Nazism are far left?

Again you simple lie in order to defend the extremist far left group antifa.

For example I am against the Far Right, which proves i do not class all people against Nazism as Far left.

I mean you know absolutely nothing about white supremacist groups in the US, where as I do, being as I have made it a lifes work to study said hate groups. Many of these groups do not support slavery, but want separatist white states. In other words an apartheid system, which is appalling as well. Though everyone has a right to a belief, no matter how appalling it is. You seem to think violence is acceptable against a persons belief. Its not, and you thus end up backing the methodology for anyone to use violence against beliefs they do not like.

I mean imagine your reaction if people started to beat up Muslims that want to have sharia law. What would your reaction be? Just because they want something so backwards and barbaric, does not give anyone the right to beat them up.

You then further lie and say I am not against anything. Well the question to ask is why you are not against the communists and anarchists in antifa? Do you need a lesson in the history of Communism and the tens of millions of genocide under this?

It shows you are an utter hypocrite, where I stand united with the majority of people against all extremism, whether that be political or religious. Where you defend a Far left extremist group.

Hate does not combat hate. It escalates hates and if you knew anything of the history of Germany in the 1920's, you would know both communist and Nazi groups fighting in Germany, did not stop Nazism rise to power. It only help turn more support to the Nazi's and escalate more violence. This is why you stand vocally and critical of such poor beliefs. You challenge them, not with violence but with reason.

I mean just look at why the above thread is about where a Free speech event was cancelled, due to a threat of violence by Antifa. Are you claiming now those in this speech are Nazi's or even white Supremacists?

'Gelico' has shown herself/itself to be a rabid nazi-apologist and anti-free speech, across several threads in recent days...

So it shouldn't really surprise anyone that she keeps on championing neo-nazi and alt.right causes..

Really?

And yet again we see the regressive hateful left lie through their teeth.

Now put up evidence for your claim?

If not you really are going to look very stupid

You're the one making false claims, Dodger -- And therefore the one looking increasingly "stupid" every time you blindly jump to your fellow fascist twat's defence...

You claimed that Gelico protests against "all extremism" -- when that statement alone is pure bullshit on your part..

Gelico has only condemned left-wing groups and anarchists (and ignorantly confusing and comflating the two in the lrocess); while in addition randomly attacking several "lefty" commentators on here.

No wonder you're defending that empty-headed lying little twat on here today -- 'birds of a feather', and all that.. Keep on telling yourself that you criticise extremism from "both sides", Didge -- you're only fooling yourself, on that count...

_________________It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see.Our life is frittered away by details. Simplify, simplify.The mass of men lead lives of quite desperation.Henry David Thoreau

And yet again we see the regressive hateful left lie through their teeth.

Now put up evidence for your claim?

If not you really are going to look very stupid

You're the one making false claims, Dodger -- And therefore the one looking increasingly "stupid" every time you blindly jump to your fellow fascist twat's defence...

Thorin wrote: Am I?Is that why you cannot produce a single piece of evidence for your hateful lies?Where you only can ever attempt to deligitimize posters and not actually take on their points?

You claimed that Gelico protests against "all extremism" -- when that statement alone is pure bullshit on your part..

Thorin wrote: Its not pure bullshit and again it shows you only read what you want to read and fail to follow any threads.

Gelico has only condemned left-wing groups and anarchists (and ignorantly confusing and comflating the two in the lrocess); while in addition randomly attacking several "lefty" commentators on here.

Gelico wrote: you know perfectly well what i said was right so you start to name call instead of dealing with it. yawn,,,,how very lazy and childish of you, and, just so you know, completely pointless. I am oblivious to name calling

over here quill we have/had a political party called the BNP. vile party, vile leader. the elite decided to squash him, smeared him, would never give him air time.

unfortunately it seem to backfire as it gave him victim status, plus people were worried about immigration, plus people were pissed off at the expenses scandal and a whole load of other things. it was kind of the perfect time for a real nazi style party to emerge.

anyhoos, establishment changed tactics and decided to give him air time. he was on question time, he was giving interviews etc...and guess what? the more he spoke the more people just thought eewww, you're pants and so is your party and their support plummetted.

you don't beat nazis by smashing up people and property randomly, you don't beat nazis by beating up police, you don't beat nazis by throwing bottles of piss about

you bring them into the open and let them speak and let people see what they're about

you seem to think that the general public haven't got any sense and would be soooo influenced by these muppets that you need to send in funded thugs to ''protect us all''

get a fucking grip man

No wonder you're defending that empty-headed lying little twat on here today -- 'birds of a feather', and all that..

Wow there is Gelico denouncing the BNP, a Far Right Party and the Nazi's

Oh my, don;t you look an idiot

Lets see if you have the decency to apologize

Its also you ignorant of Antifa, which is full of Communists.

It may have escaped your notice all the Communist flags and t-shirts they wear.

'Gelico' has shown herself/itself to be a rabid nazi-apologist and anti-free speech, across several threads in recent days...

So it shouldn't really surprise anyone that she keeps on championing neo-nazi and alt.right causes..

I agree. But Didge ain't far behind. I'm stunned by his protection of white supremacists and KKK'ers. He would be shitting green bricks if these were Muslims.

It's not a far toss from the shores of Britain to the slave markets of Virginia, apparently.

Ah when all else fails, again make piss poor unfounded accusations against myself and gelico

Again failing to see I stand against all extremist groups, whether political or religious. What I do not agree with is violence against people based on their beliefs, no matter how abhorrent. Mainly as we live in a secular society, that believers in Free speech and I understand history, where such violence has led before. As I explained to you earlier in regards to Germany in the 1920's and 1930's

You see this is all the left can conjure up to fight with, attempt to deligitimize those debating with them. Where even worse you throw unfounded accusations, because I simple stand against violence being used on people based on their beliefs. As the moment you make that acceptable, you open up the door to anyone, being able to do the same against people they do not like the beliefs of.

Even funnier you seek support from others to further peddle your lies, which shows how weak minded you are and unable to reason your points.

You're the one making false claims, Dodger -- And therefore the one looking increasingly "stupid" every time you blindly jump to your fellow fascist twat's defence...

You claimed that Gelico protests against "all extremism" -- when that statement alone is pure bullshit on your part..

Gelico has only condemned left-wing groups and anarchists (and ignorantly confusing and comflating the two in the lrocess); while in addition randomly attacking several "lefty" commentators on here.

No wonder you're defending that empty-headed lying little twat on here today -- 'birds of a feather', and all that..

Wow there is Gelico denouncing the BNP, a Far Right Party and the Nazi's

Oh my, don;t you look an idiot

Lets see if you have the decency to apologize

Its also you ignorant of Antifa, which is full of Communists.

It may have escaped your notice all the Communist flags and t-shirts they wear.

Doh

didge, they are clearly completely bigoted fools whose only answers to anything are 'racist' 'nazi' etc. they have no valid argument whatsoever and can only resort to name calling which is water off a ducks back to me anyway

Wow there is Gelico denouncing the BNP, a Far Right Party and the Nazi's

Oh my, don;t you look an idiot

Lets see if you have the decency to apologize

Its also you ignorant of Antifa, which is full of Communists.

It may have escaped your notice all the Communist flags and t-shirts they wear.

Doh

didge, they are clearly completely bigoted fools whose only answers to anything are 'racist' 'nazi' etc. they have no valid argument whatsoever and can only resort to name calling which is water off a ducks back to me anyway