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This morning I asked the friendly 20something blonde behind the Union Hotel desk who she’s voting for. “Who am I voting for?,” she said. “I’m kind of undecided. I’m taking a political science class right now, but I’m undecided. My father wants me to vote for Romney.” What’s he got to do with it?, I said. It’s your vote, your call. She smiled and said, “It’s just that he’s told me over and over that I’d better vote for Romney or else. So as far as he’s concerned I’m voting for Romney.” So in other words millions of rural women (wives, daughters, employees) who just want to get along are being browbeaten into voting for the bad guys by domineering alpha males.

I’m sure an aging, aggressive crank in neon tennis shoes spitting derision at a desk clerk and her family really put the face of compassion and tolerance on the Democratic party and ensured her happy participation in the voting process for a lifetime. Kudos, Jeff.

Ian T

David, you have experience of a labor union “browbeating” you? If so, please share. If not, then are you talking out of your ass?

Ian T

Sorry, “bullied”

Anony-mouse

Also, one anecdote about interrogating some dimwit state school chick who was probably just trying not to offend anyone at her shitty part time job does not mean “millions of people blah blah blah”. I carved a crude dick into a pumpkin this weekend, does that mean there’s gonna be millions of Cock O’Lanterns out on Halloween?

coxcable

This encounter rings true. Undecided voters I’ve met recently tend to be friendly youngish middle class white women who work or have a family. They don’t care about politics because politics just isn’t marketed to them.

This is kinda sad, but no sadder than “decided” people who think the marketing is actual democracy.

And yes Jeff, asking someone paid to be polite to you about her honest political opinions is a 9.5 on the Asperger-O-Meter.

Travis Actiontree

Anony-mouse!!!

AH

Considering that she STILL hasn’t made up her mind, I think she is just waiting for someone to come along and tell her what to do. In which case, better her dad than a dude she just met. (This is based on the assumption that she was telling you – that someone she just met – the truth.)

Travis Actiontree

You really think she’s going to even vote at all?

nakedman

My mom votes for whomever my dad votes for. This is quite typical of alpha males in the Republican party. They tend to bully less interested, meek wives/girlfriends/daughters into voting for their candidate. I’ve personally seen it a lot.

Hollis Mulwray

Was the desk clerk as homely as a girl from Schnectady?

Ray DeRousse

You mean domineering WHITE males.

It’s incredible how racially-charged this election feels. People were swept up in the inescapable “hope and change” thing in 2008, but many white people seem hell-bent on getting the black man out of the White House.

Anony-mouse

Thank GOD Ray’s here to bring up race. To think I forgot to check my white privilege today. Sometimes its tough to remember the only reason anybody would vote against Obama is because they’re racist.

“Oh God, Mandy, that creep that was yelling at me about MItt Romney earlier is back. I think he’s gonna bitch about the Wi-Fi again, I’m gonna have to call you back.”

And sup, Travis. I like your style.

reverent and free

What cox said. Anyone who’s undecided with one week to go is either a non-participant or a liar. In this case she probably didn’t want to chance of disagreeing with you.

reverent and free

Anon, consider this: Romney’s Mormonism has been entirely off the table in the general election, but Republicans still salivate at any video they can find of Obama speaking to a black church.

Anony-mouse

reverent, I’m not sure Fox News dragging out those videos is racist, other than it does show Obama adopting a “black” voice for the audience. But the left wing equivalent to that isn’t the weird cult Mittens belongs to but MSNBC salivating over the videos of him putting on gobs of fake tanner to address a Latino audience, a meme just as ubiquitous as Obama’s ebonics. Gasp, surprise, both are hypocritical, opportunistic, pandering liars!

But don’t defend douchebag bigots who throw out DASS RACISS!!! every time someone criticizes Obama. I know its only Dems establishing alibis for why their guy might have lost before the election, but its fucking insulting.

Ray DeRousse

Gimme a break, mouse. I know plenty of white men and women (many of whom earn less than $50,000 a year) who have told me they intend to vote for Romney because they don’t want a black guy in office anymore.

And when I explain to them that Romney’s “tax plan” mostly involves feeding the lower and middle class (in other words, THEM) to the rich like Soylent Green, they shrug their shoulders and say that they don’t want a nigger (sorry for the usage, but i quote them to put a point on it) in the White House.

So don’t fucking tell me race isn’t an issue in this election. The only prayer the Republican Party has in this election is if the racists really get out the vote. They certainly can’t win on any issues, given the fact that, one week before the election, Romney still can’t explain his “tax plan” or show how he had a lower tax rate than his maid in 2009.

Actually…

“Gimme a break, mouse. I know plenty of white men and women (many of whom earn less than $50,000 a year) who have told me they intend to vote for Romney because they don’t want a black guy in office anymore. ”

The voices in your head are white?

Anony-mouse

Jesus, Ray, what kind of people are you hanging out with? I’ve wandered into some pretty radically fringe right-wing/conspiracy web forums just for the lulz, and even those guys are more apt to cite Obama being a Reptoid from the Moons of Jupiter than being black as a reason for not voting for him. I don’t know what dinner party you’re attending where people throw the N-word around as the sole excuse for not voting Obama, but maybe in the future you should RSVP in the negative. I doubt the guacamole they served was all that fresh.

In the world I live in, people don’t like Obama because of his recklessly violent foreign policy, his detaining and even murdering of American citizens without trial, and his campaign to censor the internet. The only people to use “nigger” in regards to the president I’ve seen are you and some trolls at 4chan.

hickoryduck

Anony-mouse, isn’t there some sort of Gary Johnson fan board that’s missing you right now?

You are concerned with things that only white males who have a job are concerned with.

…

Romney still can’t explain his “tax plan” or show how he had a lower tax rate than his maid in 2009

If I might humbly ask: who was running the show in the tax year of 2009?

Unless you are saying that Romney that unlawfully — i.e., broke existing law — achieved a tax rate lower than his maid?

I’m not against your sentiment Ray, but I think this above jibe is a bit rich, without any proof.

Anony-mouse

You’re right, Hickoryduck, us white guys with jobs are the only ones that care. Us and the 176 children who have died in Pakistani drone strikes, of course, but they can’t vote. And of course my “job” is renewing cell phone contracts part time at the mall, but hey, it keeps me off the unemployment statistics, right? Obama is the greatest president in history, and anyone who disagrees is RACIST! RACIST OVER HERE!!!!!

But hey, keep on bombing civilians indiscriminately. As long as partial birth abortions are still legal, as that’s the real crux of this election, ain’t it? That’s what the sexy Latino chick from Desperate Housewives told me, anyway. But thanks for another reminder to check my white privilege! Us white folks, we crazy, not wanting children murdered in our name!

Ian T

Mouse, people in rural areas toss around the N word casually all the time. Many of those same people won’t vote for a black candidate. It’s silly you can’t grasp that this is true and not some conspiracy made up in order to have an excuse in case Obama loses.

Anony-mouse

I grew up in a firmly Red farm town, Ian, and the only time growing up I heard the N-word used was when my friends were quoting Wu Tang Clan songs. Are there virulent racists out there? Sure, yeah, of course, but I can’t see their percentages being enough to sway a national fucking election. I can’t even see their percentages rivaling the number of African Americans that are going to vote Obama just because he’s also African American, regardless of policy. Just as there are millions and millions who will vote Republican regardless of the candidates, and vice versa.

I just take issue when condescending Dems arrogantly dismiss anyone who might vote against Obama as having no motivation to do so outside of racism, as Ray did in this thread, especially when there are a multitude of reasons to think Obama is a war-mongering corporate centrist. I’m just so tired when it comes to the race card. The highest paid movie star is a black guy. The highest paid musicians, athletes, and TV personalities are all black. We elected a black man POTUS! Can’t we for once discuss policy without the reductive name calling?

ghost of a ghost

Great, so we’ve determined that there are rural folks who hate a black president and urban folks who hate a white president, and that both parties draw benefits from these low information voters. Now can they please shut the fuck up so other people can talk about more important things. This is like picking which bands you like or hate based on who else likes them instead of their music.

We’ve also determined that Ray has a fucked up social circle, and that hickoryduck has a pretty low opinion of the civic spirit of people who aren’t white males. I guess that means he has a pretty low opinion of everybody except white males who don’t have civic spirit.

The only person in my life who has surprised (and alienated) me by casually using the “n” word as a derogatory epithet is a Romney hater. He’s racist, but he apparently hates republicans more than blacks.

The woman at the hotel desk gave the only possible smart answer in this situation. It’s a little more diplomatic than saying “Oh, you’re one of those types? Well fuck off, it’s none of your business.”

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ghost of a ghost

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Jeffmc2000

Wow, this Anony-Mouse sounds familiar. And the whole drone thing is a non-starter, since Romney is as on board for that as Obama. Unless you seriously are one of those Gary Johnson nuts who’s more into making a point about how stupid everybody else is for supporting the status quo, than actually contributing to the election that people are actually having.

In which case, go nuts, I guess. I got over trying to drum up support for third party candidates since the Pat Paulsen upset in ’68, but you might have better luck.

phantasmata

I just take issue when condescending Dems arrogantly dismiss anyone who might vote against Obama as having no motivation to do so outside of racism, as Ray did in this thread, especially when there are a multitude of reasons to think Obama is a war-mongering corporate centrist. I’m just so tired when it comes to the race card. The highest paid movie star is a black guy. The highest paid musicians, athletes, and TV personalities are all black. We elected a black man POTUS! Can’t we for once discuss policy without the reductive name calling?

Yawn.

Where do you FIND these clowns, Wells?

Anyway. Off the top of my head . . . Chomsky, Glenn Greenwald, Daniel Ellsberg, Matt Stoller, etc. All critical of Obama and all savagely beaten by roaming hordes of angry Negroes. Wait, no. That didn’t happen at all. Not only did THAT not happen but none of their careers have been derailed by charges of racism since no one is braindead enough to accuse them of being racist simply for criticizing the Obama administration. So your little persecution fantasy of being some martyr who speaks the truth about Obama whilst carrying the cross of Unjustly Accused Racist is no doubt appealing, but merely that–a fantasy.

There are many legitimate complaints to file against Obama and none of those complaints are tainted by racism. But there are also people who dislike Obama because, wait for it, he’s (half) black. It’s a complicated world and both scenarios can co-exist. The fact that you like to pretend the latter is just some figment of paranoid black/liberal imaginations says something about you, doesn’t it?

Also, HOLY FUCKING SHIT, did you guys know Tom Cruise is black!? I didn’t but I’ll tell you how I found out: Anony-mouse!!!!! See, Anony-mouse said that the “highest paid movie star is a black guy.” So, yeah, that would be Tom Cruise. Unless, of course, Anony-mouse was talking about Will Smith. But, tragically, Will Smith isn’t the highest paid movie star. Not even close. Old Will is only worth about 30 mil. These days whereas Tom is worth 75 mil.

Also, HOLY FUCKING SHIT, Taylor Swift is black!?!?!?!?! PLEASE, someone keep this news from Lex, as I really fear it will send him over the deep end. Also, Justin Bieber, Katy Perry, and Lady Gaga are all black, as well. DEAR JEHOVAH GOD is there NO LIMIT to the powers the Illuminati wield!?!?

TV personalities, TV personalities. Hmmm. . . Leno? Letterman? Kimmel? Seth McFarland? FERGUSON? Guy who created Glee? Cast of Glee? Cast of Walking Dead? Mad Men? SONS OF ANARCHY? Dr Phil? Every show on the CW? every show on NBC? CBS? THEY’RE ALL BLACK???? OH, Randy from American Idol! You got me there, bro. Wait, you must be talking about Oprah, right? Yeah, she had an insanely successful talk show. She also has a wildly tanking TV network. But yeah. One example. (Or two if you count Randy.) Okay. Check fucking mate!

Anony-mouse–BTW, dumbest fucking name ever–none of your little opinions/points/arguments/whatever the fuck you want to call them hold water. They can’t even hold diarrhea. You’re tired of “the race card” being played and racism doesn’t exist anymore and blah blah blah (big Adam Carolla fan, I take it?) because of Oprah. Is that it? That’s your irrefutable argument? So using your logic, the 1950s were racism-free because of Sammy Davis Jr and Miles Davis and the decades before the ’50s were racism-free because of Louis Armstrong. Right? This is your logic. Hey, those cats were popular and beloved so obviously racism wasn’t a real problem back in the ’40s!!!!!

Well, shit. You really got me there, bro. Your logic professor back at Brown must be really proud of you.

As for professional sports being dominated by black dudes, well, no shit: white boys can’t jump.

Next.

Gussie Finknottle

So Anony-mouse, you’ll be voting Romney in hope of an end to drone strikes, a less violent foreign policy, and greater civil liberties for US citizens suspected of terrorism? Best of luck with that.

David A.

“Also, HOLY FUCKING SHIT, did you guys know Tom Cruise is black!? I didn’t but I’ll tell you how I found out: Anony-mouse!!!!! See, Anony-mouse said that the “highest paid movie star is a black guy.” So, yeah, that would be Tom Cruise. Unless, of course, Anony-mouse was talking about Will Smith. But, tragically, Will Smith isn’t the highest paid movie star. Not even close. Old Will is only worth about 30 mil. These days whereas Tom is worth 75 mil.”

You’re going by numbers that only cover May 2011- May 2012. Ben Stiller made $33 million during that span. Do you really believe Ben Stiller can demand a higher salary than Will Smith? I hope not.

Men in Black 3 was Smith’s first movie since 2008, and it was released on May 25th. Using May 2011-May 2012 to gauge Smith’s worth is just stupid.

It’s true Cruise got a big payday from M:I 4, but that was his first mega-hit in over six years. You’ll notice that on Forbes’ highest paid actors list from last year, Cruise barely cracked the top 10.

In the end, Anony-mouse is probably correct (certainly more correct than you), Will Smith is still on top of the movie star food chain, payday-wise.

ghost of a ghost

“As for professional sports being dominated by black dudes, well, no shit: white boys can’t jump.”

phantasmata is Jimmy the Greek.

Redbeard

“Do you really believe Ben Stiller can demand a higher salary than Will Smith? I hope not.”

That’s right-wing logic for ya. One black guy makes more – so who cares that virtually every other face in the industry is white.” That one dude balances it all out – and if not, we’ll count Denzel, too – so shut up! ”

Fuckin hilarious.

Anony-mouse

“And the whole drone thing is a non-starter, since Romney is as on board for that as Obama. Unless you seriously are one of those Gary Johnson nuts who’s more into making a point about how stupid everybody else is for supporting the status quo, than actually contributing to the election that people are actually having.”

Oh, so there’s no valid way for me to ask that my tax dollars not be spent on bombing children? Democracy works!

And I didn’t mean to rustle your jimmies, phantasmata. I’m not sure what point you were trying to make, but it sure seems like you hate white people.

David A.

“That’s right-wing logic for ya. One black guy makes more – so who cares that virtually every other face in the industry is white.” That one dude balances it all out – and if not, we’ll count Denzel, too – so shut up! ”

Fuckin hilarious.”

What are you talking about?

Raising_Kaned

“And I didn’t mean to rustle your jimmies, phantasmata. I’m not sure what point you were trying to make, but it sure seems like you hate white people.”

“Also, HOLY FUCKING SHIT, did you guys know Tom Cruise is black!? I didn’t but I’ll tell you how I found out: Anony-mouse!!!!! See, Anony-mouse said that the “highest paid movie star is a black guy.” So, yeah, that would be Tom Cruise. Unless, of course, Anony-mouse was talking about Will Smith. But, tragically, Will Smith isn’t the highest paid movie star. Not even close. Old Will is only worth about 30 mil. These days whereas Tom is worth 75 mil.”

You’re going by numbers that only cover May 2011- May 2012. Ben Stiller made $33 million during that span. Do you really believe Ben Stiller can demand a higher salary than Will Smith? I hope not.

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