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Beltran, Reyes, K Rod, Castillo, etc. have all been taken off the books.

Bay has had money deferred, as has Wright for his contract.

Yet you can't sign a Nick Swisher or a Ryan Ludwick or whatever with that cash? Come on, son.

Originally Posted by Sandy Alderson

"Again, it's hard for me to predict what exactly will happen," Alderson said. "But we're not going to spend the money in mid-December just because we have it. We may spend it in January. We may spend it at some other time. We may not spend it. But the important thing is we have the flexibility to make a baseball decision about that rather than be constrained by sort of an artificial financial limitation."

Hard to predict? I'll bet my savings on the "we may not spend it" option.

Like I've been saying and most on the forum would agree with me. 4th place here we come. No playoffs again and no meaningful games playes this summer. Guess as us mets fans we will have see see waht 2014 brings us.

The only way we finish higher than fourth is unless either Philly, Washington or Atlanta's players all break their lower limbs and even then they'd probably finish ahead of us if they were in walkers or wheelchairs.

I think it's either that A) their plan changes every other week or B) the plan was just to lie through your teeth all off-season.

I go with B). They must be giving David something fierce under the table to help spread the BS further. There is nothing Jeff or Sandy could've possibly said that would make David think that the Mets will be serious contenders in his lifetime. It had to be that in 2014 more money would be freed up and they will stock the team with free agents surrounding him, Ike, Niese, Harvey and Wheeler. Who are some of the possible top free agents next winter, anyone know?

Ellsbury-Gotta see what he does this year and even then you have to worry about his inabilty to stay healthy

Granderson-No idea. He's become a K king and is more of a LF now, also his HR #'s may be Yankee stadium driven. For the right price/years, yeah I'd consider him though

Gomez- Agent is Scott Boras so you know the book is coming comparing him to a young Willie Mays.

Pence-It's crazy how now I actually feel he's underrated (after thinking he was grossly OVERRATED for years). He's not a great bat, but he's decent, I worry some about his defense but I may be able to live with it. Like with Granderson, for the right price/years

Murphy-Late bloomer, like really, he's actually surprisingly old. Love his offensive game as a high OBP doubles hitter with some HR power. Curious to see what kind of year he has in '13

Anyone else in the 32 and up age group I'd shy away from. This is a new age now without (as many) PED's and we should expect player declines at around that age (like we used to pre-mid '90's), so anyone 33 asking for a 5 yr deal is not to be touched.

Last edited by Daaaarryyl; 12-12-2012 at 03:54 AM.

Originally Posted by DoMeFavors

Bulls wont make the playoffs you can write it down.

Originally Posted by DoMeFavors

I've talked to some Nets and they told me they are saving their energy for the playoffs and people talking down on them are going to be suprised. One player told me "this was our plan all along"

Ellsbury-Gotta see what he does this year and even then you have to worry about his inabilty to stay healthy

Granderson-No idea. He's become a K king and is more of a LF now, also his HR #'s may be Yankee stadium driven. For the right price/years, yeah I'd consider him though

Gomez- Agent is Scott Boras so you know the book is coming comparing him to a young Willie Mays.

Pence-It's crazy how now I actually feel he's underrated (after thinking he was grossly OVERRATED for years). He's not a great bat, but he's decent, I worry some about his defense but I may be able to live with it. Like with Granderson, for the right price/years

Murphy-Late bloomer, like really, he's actually surprisingly old. Love his offensive game as a high OBP doubles hitter with some HR power. Curious to see what kind of year he has in '13

Anyone else in the 32 and up age group I'd shy away from. This is a new age now without (as many) PED's and we should expect player declines at around that age (like we used to pre-mid '90's), so anyone 33 asking for a 5 yr deal is not to be touched.

Have to make a push for Hart, he has the power we need and he can spell Ike Davis against LHP at 1st base.

With Gomez, Boras is certainly a bad sign but i don't know if he will get BJ Upton money even if his game is similar.

Granderson is a tough one because if he has a very good season next year his price skyrockets and although a lot of people think his power is purely because of Yankee stadium, his splits on the road aren't terrible home run wise.

He should still be good for 30 homers but his defensive numbers (-10 DRS) weren't very good last year and offensively he doesn't do much more than hit home runs. He also strikeouts a ton..

Ellsbury is an injury concern no doubt and the odds are that the home run power he exerted in 2011 was an aberration. His ISO being .230 in 2011 while his career ISO is .145. He is also another Scott Boras client.

Pence is not a great OF and i am not bowled over by him offensively. The Mets need a power bat and he's only had 14 home runs at home in the last 2 seasons. I can't see him hitting well in Citi Field much like he didn't hit well in AT&T park. (although Citi Field not as much of a pitcher's park he didn't hit in Citizen's bank either)

David Murphy is another guy who needs to put together another season like he did last year before i would think the Mets could be interested. He did hit well on the road last year (.347 wOBA) but he's another guy that i am not hugely interested in unless a peripheral piece.

The Mets desperately need a power bat like Hart or Morse (even if Morse is a bad LF, at least he can hit unlike Duda).

They really need an anchor bat between David and Ike. I guess Granderson, Morse, and specifically Hart can fit that bill but preferably Hart before the other two.