I recall a recent management conference, where a head recruiter said that more and more, firms ask that they make sure the potential new hires have a good amount of emotional intelligence, and mentioned this as a general trend across industries since the last 4 years or so.

Wanstrath wrote. "While that’s ongoing, and effective immediately, the relevant founder has been put on leave, as has the referenced GitHub engineer. The founder’s wife discussed in the media reports has never had hiring or firing power at GitHub and will no longer be permitted in the office."

GitHub's three cofounders are Wanstrath, PJ Hyett, and Tom Preston-Werner. Wanstrath and Horvath have not revealed which cofounder is at the center of this controversy.

Who wants to place money on the fact it wasn't Wanstrath who made these comments?

I recall a recent management conference, where a head recruiter said that more and more, firms ask that they make sure the potential new hires have a good amount of emotional intelligence, and mentioned this as a general trend across industries since the last 4 years or so.

Should it be shocked that companies what well rounded indivuals?

Most of the great engineers of our time have actually been well rounded as young men and women and not what they were like before they provided the project to the world they are known for.

If you are in a shitty situation at work, use something like that and nail them to the wall. May not be admissible in court. Doesn't matter. Find a Strickland HR person and show it to them. They'd blow a gasket when they saw the behavior outlined in the article on video, and then you get results.

I read the piece on TechCrunch over the weekend and took it with a grain of salt. I'd like to hear more than one side of the story.

I agree - but this doesn't change the fact that cultures of intimidation and bullying need to be checked and exposed. Especially in the case of female workers in a predominantly male [in this case, coding] culture.

I read the piece on TechCrunch over the weekend and took it with a grain of salt. I'd like to hear more than one side of the story.

GitHub just gave you their side, and it amounted to "pretty much, yeah."

That's the way I took it as well. When a co-founder publicly apologizes to the person making the accusations, and mentions that the company just hired an HR manager because "they have a lot of work to do". It's pretty much a given that what the employee is alleging is true.

I read the piece on TechCrunch over the weekend and took it with a grain of salt. I'd like to hear more than one side of the story.

GitHub just gave you their side, and it amounted to "pretty much, yeah."

That's the way I took it as well. When a co-founder publicly apologizes to the person making the accusations, and mentions that the company just hired an HR manager because "they have a lot of work to do". It's pretty much a given that what the employee is alleging is true.

There were a lot of accusations made. While GitHub has admitted it has a problem, there's still a lot of grey here.

If Julie's side of the story is indeed true (and the lack of denial in the official statement is telling of that), I hope she is able to move on without any serious consequences to her career. She could easily be blackballed as a potential liability. Personally, I see standing up to extremely hostile work environments as a positive, not a negative.

The article is confusing as to who was who and who did what. But I don't care; this stupid-ass hi-tech drama of millennial bullshitters is not worth deciphering. It's tragic though that a woman can still bring down men's careers so easily. I just hope her victims are the politically-correct type that allow this to happen to others, never thinking it could happen to them.

Maybe I'm missing something here, but it sounds like two women who couldn't get along, a high-ranking female employee and a "boss's wife". That dynamic happens in many businesses and causes lots of unnecessary friction.

I read the piece on TechCrunch over the weekend and took it with a grain of salt. I'd like to hear more than one side of the story.

GitHub just gave you their side, and it amounted to "pretty much, yeah."

That's the way I took it as well. When a co-founder publicly apologizes to the person making the accusations, and mentions that the company just hired an HR manager because "they have a lot of work to do". It's pretty much a given that what the employee is alleging is true.

There were a lot of accusations made. While GitHub has admitted it has a problem, there's still a lot of grey here.

Right. And that's kinda what I'm getting at. She made some specific accusations against the founder, his wife, and a particular engineer. The GitHub response seems to address those specifically, but she also made some pretty broad accusations of a somewhat vague nature about the environment there. I don't feel comfortable drawing any conclusions about how GitHub is being run without more information.

Maybe I'm missing something here, but it sounds like two women who couldn't get along, a high-ranking female employee and a "boss's wife". That dynamic happens in many businesses and causes lots of unnecessary friction.

Your missing the part where a co-worker got rejected and started ripping out code with no notice or reason. And the fact the Boss's wife shouldn't have been at the company.

Maybe I'm missing something here, but it sounds like two women who couldn't get along, a high-ranking female employee and a "boss's wife". That dynamic happens in many businesses and causes lots of unnecessary friction.

except in this case someone is saying the boss's wife is reading people's email and has people in the company reporting to her where she is not an employee of the company

Maybe I'm missing something here, but it sounds like two women who couldn't get along, a high-ranking female employee and a "boss's wife". That dynamic happens in many businesses and causes lots of unnecessary friction.

except in this case someone is saying the boss's wife is reading people's email and has people in the company reporting to her where she is not an employee of the company

I read the piece on TechCrunch over the weekend and took it with a grain of salt. I'd like to hear more than one side of the story.

GitHub just gave you their side, and it amounted to "pretty much, yeah."

That's the way I took it as well. When a co-founder publicly apologizes to the person making the accusations, and mentions that the company just hired an HR manager because "they have a lot of work to do". It's pretty much a given that what the employee is alleging is true.

I just read it as getting their ducks in a row in case of a lawsuit. true or not this is what any company has to do. you have to prove you did everything you could do within your power.

everyone is going to have their own interpretations of events. i myself have championed friends before in work situations to find out later their side may not have been the right one.

Very rare does office romance blossoms into a life time partnership for philanthropy and charity works. No, most of the time its just awkward mornings afters.

Maybe among the emotionally childish. I met my wife at my last job; I knew of several other people dating within the ranks as well, across departments and hierarchies (this was a company of around 200 people at the time). There were some basic unwritten ground rules we all adhered to (keep the shmoopy stuff out of the office, etc.) but it was never an issue, productivity-wise. Why? because we were all adults and behaved like it.

...and that's precisely what appears to have been the problem at Github. A lack of adult-like behavior.

I read the piece on TechCrunch over the weekend and took it with a grain of salt. I'd like to hear more than one side of the story.

GitHub just gave you their side, and it amounted to "pretty much, yeah."

That's the way I took it as well. When a co-founder publicly apologizes to the person making the accusations, and mentions that the company just hired an HR manager because "they have a lot of work to do". It's pretty much a given that what the employee is alleging is true.

There were a lot of accusations made. While GitHub has admitted it has a problem, there's still a lot of grey here.

Right. And that's kinda what I'm getting at. She made some specific accusations against the founder, his wife, and a particular engineer. The GitHub response seems to address those specifically, but she also made some pretty broad accusations of a somewhat vague nature about the environment there. I don't feel comfortable drawing any conclusions about how GitHub is being run without more information.

That's a fair assessment. Reading between the lines, I would guess that she did try to have those issues addressed, but they weren't to her satisfaction. So she left. I would also guess that she's lawyered-up, and this is the company doing it's best to conduct damage control, least she does sue for a hostile work environment.

Her Linkedin says she has a BA in English and her profile says she is a front end web developer.

I think this unintentionally trolls a lot of engineers. Engineers are too busy doing real work to get caught up in this drama.

how many programmers have engineering licenses?

How many programmers are referred to as engineers and shouldn't be?

All of them?

I can say that because I am a programmer and I actually have an engineering degree.

I am also not actually serious.

Yes, a lot of programmers are engineers, but then a lot more programmers are not engineers and call themselves as such anyway. This problem is not exclusive to software anyway, but it seems like this victim was thrown a bone with that kind of title.

An engineer is a professional practitioner of engineering, concerned with applying scientific knowledge, mathematics, and ingenuity to develop solutions for technical problems.

Computers are technical, and code is math, usually. Sure it's not nuclear or electrical but I'd say it applies.

Now, that doesn't mean I'm all for dentists being called Oral Engineers or my wife taking up the title at home of Soda Engineer because she uses a SodaStream, but Software Engineer is a pretty common title that I've never heard someone have an issue with until now.

Her Linkedin says she has a BA in English and her profile says she is a front end web developer.

I think this unintentionally trolls a lot of engineers. Engineers are too busy doing real work to get caught up in this drama.

how many programmers have engineering licenses?

How many programmers are referred to as engineers and shouldn't be?

All of them?

I can say that because I am a programmer and I actually have an engineering degree.

I am also not actually serious.

i used to work for a government organization full of old time engineers. had a talk with one of them one time and he said you are not a real engineer unless you have a license that says you are an engineer. not just a degree

An engineer is a professional practitioner of engineering, concerned with applying scientific knowledge, mathematics, and ingenuity to develop solutions for technical problems.

Computers are technical, and code is math, usually. Sure it's not nuclear or electrical but I'd say it applies.

Now, that doesn't mean I'm all for dentists being called Oral Engineers or my wife taking up the title at home of Soda Engineer because she uses a SodaStream, but Software Engineer is a pretty common title that I've never heard someone have an issue with until now.

That definition misses the spirit of an engineer. Just about every profession involves some level of maths and technical knowledge. A burger maker needs to have technical knowledge to use the oven and other cooking tools in a restaurant. He also needs to keep track of meat weights and count how many burgers he's making. He also must use his ingenuity to determine how well cooked the burger will be. Just because he uses math and technology to do his job does not make him a burger engineer.

Maybe I'm missing something here, but it sounds like two women who couldn't get along, a high-ranking female employee and a "boss's wife". That dynamic happens in many businesses and causes lots of unnecessary friction.

Your missing the part where a co-worker got rejected and started ripping out code with no notice or reason. And the fact the Boss's wife shouldn't have been at the company.

I didn't miss that part. That's another issue but doesn't negate the one I just mentioned (the one you mention again with the "And..." sentence). You're now disagreeing that Horvath and the wife didn't get along?