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The pokedex entries imply that the Vanillite line are made of snow and ice rather than ice cream. I don't think ice cream is made from bathing icicles in the sun. Vanilluxe makes snow clouds out of that straw, if it was ice cream wouldn't it be ice cream clouds?

Please, anyone about to do the "well, I guess you work for Game Freak!" song and dance, save yourself the trouble.

Exactly! I don't even understand what could possibly give Pokemon a T or M rating besides extreme,extreme, non cartoon violence or an indepth explanations of breeding. Or if they bring back the Game Corners that were "ruining childrens' minds and filling them with thoughts of gambling"

I suppose there are a few people out there who want T or M rated pokemon games, but it's definitely safer for them to stay E rated. Over the years, they have done a very good job at making pokemon a very kid friendly game, and making something rated T or M(especially M) would hurt pokemon's reputation, especially if they did this a lot. In the long run, I think it'd hurt them more then help.

Most teenagers or adults would probably avoid a "childish" game like pokemon, and most of it's fans are kids. Then, you've got the older fans, and some of us, like myself, prefer the childish feeling of the game. In the end, I don't think this hypothetical game will make all that much money either, or at least not as much as another E rated one.

Originally Posted by TheFonz

Exactly! I don't even understand what could possibly give Pokemon a T or M rating besides extreme,extreme, non cartoon violence or an indepth explanations of breeding. Or if they bring back the Game Corners that were "ruining childrens' minds and filling them with thoughts of gambling"

...You're trying to be funny, right? Not to be rude, but I personally have difficulty telling sometimes...

Venemo Oscuridad - 8 Battles
Anyone who says all pokemon are created equal cearly hasn't had much experience with Unown.

I suppose there are a few people out there who want T or M rated pokemon games, but it's definitely safer for them to stay E rated. Over the years, they have done a very good job at making pokemon a very kid friendly game, and making something rated T or M(especially M) would hurt pokemon's reputation, especially if they did this a lot. In the long run, I think it'd hurt them more then help.

Most teenagers or adults would probably avoid a "childish" game like pokemon, and most of it's fans are kids. Then, you've got the older fans, and some of us, like myself, prefer the childish feeling of the game. In the end, I don't think this hypothetical game will make all that much money either, or at least not as much as another E rated one....You're trying to be funny, right? Not to be rude, but I personally have difficulty telling sometimes...

Well the first part with violence and breeding was half serious. It's not impossible for it to exist, but it would go against everything that makes Pokemon what it is so I don't see it happening ever.

As for the game corner, it was sarcasm. It's just annoying to me because the children of those parents complaining about it are probably out there right now playing COD/Halo or doing actual bad things. I have family like that haha

The casino/gambling wasn't taken out do to "parent's complaining." It is because the European version of the ratings board that does video games was going to give them the equivalent of "PG". That's why Game Corner was only taken out in European release, completely replaced by Voltorb Flip in international versions of HGSS, and completely gone in gen 5.

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The pokedex entries imply that the Vanillite line are made of snow and ice rather than ice cream. I don't think ice cream is made from bathing icicles in the sun. Vanilluxe makes snow clouds out of that straw, if it was ice cream wouldn't it be ice cream clouds?

It only looks like ice cream. It's really a mutated icicle that cloaks itself in snow. The resemblance is supposed to be mere coincidence (although the Vanillite line is presumably the in-universe inspiration for ice cream in the Pokemon world, since Casteliacones are based off of it and not the other way around).

Originally Posted by Lord Zoroark

Listen, you gotta remember these things; always avoid claims of Fennekin being (or becoming) part Fighting-type, don't tick off mods, and NEVER (and I mean NEVER!) suggest that Arceus is the God of Pokemon when Endolise is online. If you somehow make this mistake, run for the hills before he attempts to murder you via tongue lashing.

I still play PKMN no matter how rating it is, but now its weird that they mention that someone dies in the game or the PKMN eat people...that's like really weird o.o Plus i hardly played the gambling thing so I don't really care for the PG thing, nya~

You're most likely refer to the darker story plot I bet. True. The beginning of 3rd Generation would be where dark plots are being represented that raises issues (even in the earlier gens as well, though there aren't a lot analyzing it excluding the older players)

Friend Code Team-builder GAME :D

Look at your friend code and find out what pokemon team combination it reveals fun game to play, you could even let it determine a scramble challenge for you. If you have a left over spot that can be for your starter or a shiny if you catch one in your game. Here's how it works, my black 2 friend code is:

2280 4524 3551

I converted it to:

228 - Houndour

045 - Vileplume

243 - Raikou

551 - Sandile

with two spots remaining. If you have a 3 digit number over 649 eg 744 you just use 74 = geodude and then 4 is the start of the next number or if the end of ur friend code it would be charmander. Also if you have a zero at the beginning of ur friend code or after a group of three numbers which go together it would be a pokemon number under 100 eg 025 pikachu

We've had thread like this before. Maybe not by you, but BCVM, Randomspot and I have all experienced this exact same topic before. So there is a good possibility it will be shut.

The CERO, ESRB and Pegi rating systems are like the Movie ratings but for games.. actually in the UK several games have the UK movie rating. (They generally have clear reason to get that rating.) Like the Movie ratings it restricts the sale to "underage" customers. (The Pegi and UK Movie ratings are age based.)

Game companies don't pick the rating for their games, except for in cases where they are aiming to get a certain rating. Since Pegi actually only started rating during the GBA/Gamcube life cycle, almost all the games I can find are PEGI 3+ (= ESRB E), the issue with Platinum's "game machines" would force the game to be rated as a PEGI 12+, where in this case it's a ESRB T. Most Pokémon games are sold to the 7 to 15 Market and as a result parents won't buy it as there would be a orange "sticker" saying "Warning! Maybe unsuitable for Minors." (Yes, I know the colour Stickers didn't get introduced until after Platinum was released, but the point remains.)

The only Pokémon Related game I can find that is high is actually Smash Bros games. But then it is a fighting game and aimed for the older audience also.

As Someone who's been buying video games for over 10 years and they do include the UK most serious rating the "18+". I've found a PEGI 12 game that more "darker" than most of my 15, 16 and 18 games, Pandora's Tower. (That is one game that does take while to digest, before you can really start playing it. Sorry bad joke, sadly lost on those who are in the US who can't buy it.)

I can see Nintendo losing money in future years, we're living in a generation where kids are growing up on COD rather than Gameboys. In order to attract an entire fanbase of a franchise they could make certain franchsies a little darker with spin off games. I never said a main series game would get a T or M rating I was giving examples of the darker story line from BW/BW2. Colosseum/XD was my huge example. They could easily make a game like this rated at least T. Parents will still buy the games a lot of parents bought their children black ops 2 when it came out last month. E rated titles for the main series are fine but personally I wouldn't mind even a spin off game for Wii U with a darker plot

I can see Nintendo losing money in future years, we're living in a generation where kids are growing up on COD rather than Gameboys. In order to attract an entire fanbase of a franchise they could make certain franchsies a little darker with spin off games. I never said a main series game would get a T or M rating I was giving examples of the darker story line from BW/BW2. Colosseum/XD was my huge example. They could easily make a game like this rated at least T. Parents will still buy the games a lot of parents bought their children black ops 2 when it came out last month. E rated titles for the main series are fine but personally I wouldn't mind even a spin off game for Wii U with a darker plot

wow some of you are really rude. seriously, instead of being a dick about it don't bother posting and let a mod close this. "Go play those games then" highlighting posts to make me look like a fool? cyberbullying is apparently here too

wow some of you are really rude. seriously, instead of being a dick about it don't bother posting and let a mod close this. "Go play those games then" highlighting posts to make me look like a fool? cyberbullying is apparently here too

It is a pain that some people act that way, but what can you do? It's the 'net...

With all due respect, why don't you just go ahead and play these darker games rather than hoping for the dream that Pokemon will become something it never was and never intended to be?

Just in regards to that last one I don't know how many people here are Star Trek fans like me but the series DS9 was criticised by a select few who believed it didn't follow Gene Roddenberry's vision (which it didn't) but instead it became something so much more than that and a result was one of the most beloved series of all time.

There is nothing wrong with Nintendo experimenting with the pokemon formula and Pokemon XD: Gale of Darkness & Pokemon Colosseum had alot of promise it was so dark, Black and White proved itself by adding philosophical elements to the game plot which as a result managed to recapture it's older audience while their sequels capitalised on the gameplay itself and to be fair Pokemon has had darkness within it since its origin if you recall Mewtwo's backstory with Amber and Jessie's mother.

It's not up to the fans to decide what the games are about it's up to Nintendo. All you need to do is enjoy it or not. As for the ratings I think many will find the reason for that is because the more people can buy it the more money Nintendo can make.

OK
what was Red's first pokemon and how did he get it
what is inside a pokeball
how did ash get his hat
what was the mistake that was in pokemon mewtwo strikes back that the editors left in on perpose
Let's see how you fair

The meaning of life is not to live, but to learn about the world around you and protect the things you love - by yours truely

Just in regards to that last one I don't know how many people here are Star Trek fans like me but the series DS9 was criticised by a select few who believed it didn't follow Gene Roddenberry's vision (which it didn't) but instead it became something so much more than that and a result was one of the most beloved series of all time.

There's a difference. From what you're saying, a Star Trek series significantly departed from the formula and made it less like Star Trek, hence the criticism. In this case, we have a guy who wants Pokemon to become something it never was and never intended to be. The additional elements to plot as seen in Gen 5 with some philosophical bent is completely irrelevant to making something that would cause Pokemon to get a T or M rating.

There seems to be a misconception that ratings for movies and other media are based on "maturity", like an 8 year old wouldn't pick up the meaning of the messages that are contained in the plots of Platinum or BW. And maybe that's true, but the 8 year old still can play and fully enjoy the game.

The ratings look out for factors such as:

gore

excessive violence

sexual content

tobacco, alcohol, drug use

the "isms" and phobias such as racism, sexism, homophobia, etc...

cursing and other strong language, especially when directed at a sort of minority group.

and other stuff that violates societal norms, such as bullying. Usually a villain can get away with it but a hero or protagonist cant

You can produce a great movie or video game or TV show with a good message and your rating will still be the "E" or "G" rating. It is only when you start slipping in visible content that you start strattling the line between "G" and "PG". And at this point, there already is a lot of suggestive content in Pokemon games. Sure, a lot of it gets eaten up in localization, but not all (just go to the Ferris Wheel).

Looking at that list, the first four have never been a core part of Pokemon. Ever. Period. Remember, Satoshi Tajiri really specifically wanted to make Pokemon "faint" rather than "die" or "lose a life" because he thought that aspect of video games degrades life itself and makes us as humans respect it less. The anime and games typically go to great lengths to show that Pokemon battles are typically non-lethal and that 99.99% of the time, a Pokemon acting "evil" is usually because it is being mind controlled by some evil dude.

Even societal norms such as bullying and stealing can sneak in as long as it is done correctly. Silver, for example, never steals anything "on camera" and he later reforms his character. The newest rival has rage issues, but it is a plot point and he grows as a person in the story.

Can Pokemon push more boundaries with plots? Sure. That'd be great. The good thing about stories like Pokemon is there are layers everyone of any age group can take from. But that has nothing to do with a "higher" rating. Anyone advocating for a "higher" rating is pretty much asking for Pokemon to become their personal slash-fic/FPS or whatever, and in that case, they're better suited playing something else they'll enjoy rather than hoping for something that'll never come and was never intended to be.

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Bulbasaur is most frequently depicted as his Starter Pokemon in early promotional material, although in-game it was presumably his Pikachu, since it is his ace Pokemon in GSCHGSS.

Originally Posted by kyuurilugia

what is inside a pokeball

Virtual reality technology that simulates a comfortable environment for the Pokemon inside.

Originally Posted by kyuurilugia

how did ash get his hat
what was the mistake that was in pokemon mewtwo strikes back that the editors left in on perpose

With the exception of Pokemon 2000, all of the post-AG movies, and Spoiler:- Anime Spoilers:

the upcoming N arc

, I don't care about the anime.

Originally Posted by Lord Zoroark

Listen, you gotta remember these things; always avoid claims of Fennekin being (or becoming) part Fighting-type, don't tick off mods, and NEVER (and I mean NEVER!) suggest that Arceus is the God of Pokemon when Endolise is online. If you somehow make this mistake, run for the hills before he attempts to murder you via tongue lashing.