Why there is such a large disparity between US Porsche 991 Turbo performance and Middle Eastern times we have no clue. ESmotor claims this is their ES650 bolt on package on a Porsche 991 Turbo S. What are the details of this package? What they claim does not add up.

Why you ask? Because to go 143 in the 1/4 mile on the 991 Turbo and Turbo S platform will require fuel system upgrades. What fuel system upgrades are they running? This is clearly necessary beyond the bolt on level which the factory fuel system does support.

Also, a trap speed of 143 miles per hour is much more than 650 horsepower. Even at the wheels. Where is a dyno for this car?

This network yet again can not explain Middle Eastern 1/4 mile anomalies or modifications. They say bolt on but do you really think this is the stock DME? Ekanooracing and ESMotor can claim to throw as much money as they want at a Porsche 911 Turbo S but you are not getting a 143 miles per hour pass out of it with bolt ons.

Something just is not adding up unless you believe this:

Emre@ESMotor:

"Hello guys,

Just to clarify the claims in the thread.

The car has stock engine, never touched, and believe or not, it has completely stock fueling system.

The question is how they are going fast. How is a bolt on 991 Turbo going 143?

Ok, turbos are upgraded. Water meth, fine. Is this a meth fire hose? Their ECU module. So... standalone?

I mean question marks galore here. No US car is anywhere near this and GIAC has been doing stock DME tuning for a while.

Think about it this way. On full e40 blend my car would max out at around 550whp. I added meth with 2 nozzles, and was able to make 750whp. 200whp worth of fuel and IAT dropping and timing rising. Meth is wonderful when used properly.

Think about it this way. On full e40 blend my car would max out at around 550whp. I added meth with 2 nozzles, and was able to make 750whp. 200whp worth of fuel and IAT dropping and timing rising. Meth is wonderful when used properly.

I've been here since the beginning when meth WAS the only way to make power.

Where are the details from them? They say water meth. Well, are they using meth as a fueling crutch?

Their statement that they are on the stock fuel system implies the stock fuel system supports this power. Like I said, tons of questions.

To play devils advocate. Shiv still has the only 10 sec 1/4 mile N54 pass on a stock fuel system. How was this possible? 4 meth nozzles firehosing meth into the intake. So yes meth if you add enough of it will do some good thing even on a stock fuel system. Not saying that is what is happening here, but its plausible.

Water/Meth injection is HUGE and can allow a tuner to add BIG power due to the increased octane AND the cooling effect. Don't underestimate the capability of meth injection.

Real tuners and guys like me who have been building cars for years already knew this.
Welcome to the 1990s...........

You all see the 2016 Camaro SS ???
Since AMG completely FAILED with the C63 and AMG GT, I can't wait to buy my 2016 Camaro SS, add a centri, headers, and meth injection for 750rwhp.
I'm looking forward to running 9's with good air/tires and will be embarrassing a lot of overpriced German cars.
Although, I will always respect the 911 Turbo
It's too bad Porsche continues to be a joke due to the RIDICULOUS prices and the gimping of the Cayman.
It broke my heart that AMG denied the C63 the AWD and DCT it deserves.
Both are very stupid companies. Very sad.

Water/Meth injection is HUGE and can allow a tuner to add BIG power due to the increased octane AND the cooling effect. Don't underestimate the capability of meth injection.

Real tuners and guys like me who have been building cars for years already knew this.
Welcome to the 1990s...........

You all see the 2016 Camaro SS ???
Since AMG completely FAILED with the C63 and AMG GT, I can't wait to buy my 2016 Camaro SS, add a centri, headers, and meth injection for 750rwhp.
I'm looking forward to running 9's with good air/tires and will be embarrassing a lot of overpriced German cars.
Although, I will always respect the 911 Turbo
It's too bad Porsche continues to be a joke due to the RIDICULOUS prices and the gimping of the Cayman.
It broke my heart that AMG denied the C63 the AWD and DCT it deserves.
Both are very stupid companies. Very sad.

Did you forget to take your meds again?? You were waiting for years for an AWD + TT v8 + DCT German car but decided to get a rwd N/A automatic American car. Sounds about right.

Water/Meth injection is HUGE and can allow a tuner to add BIG power due to the increased octane AND the cooling effect. Don't underestimate the capability of meth injection.

Real tuners and guys like me who have been building cars for years already knew this.
Welcome to the 1990s...........

You all see the 2016 Camaro SS ???
Since AMG completely FAILED with the C63 and AMG GT, I can't wait to buy my 2016 Camaro SS, add a centri, headers, and meth injection for 750rwhp.
I'm looking forward to running 9's with good air/tires and will be embarrassing a lot of overpriced German cars.
Although, I will always respect the 911 Turbo
It's too bad Porsche continues to be a joke due to the RIDICULOUS prices and the gimping of the Cayman.
It broke my heart that AMG denied the C63 the AWD and DCT it deserves.
Both are very stupid companies. Very sad.

I'm still trying to wrap my head around what exactly you're doing on this forum...

so could a Porsche 991 TTS do 2.7 mph slower in the 1/8th mile and then pick up 2 mph on the top end in the 1/4 mile... unlikely to have a 4.7 mph difference especially with the MLaren doing a 9.9s 1/4 and 6.5s 1/8th

I think 143 mph is a little optimistic but who knows. There was a upgraded turbo 997.2 that was running 138 traps and between 650-700 whp.
I wouldn't doubt this was running standalone. That was the first thing that came to mind when I first heard about the runs. He also mentions he is running boost by gear, which I don't think is possible with a piggyback.

Water/Meth injection is HUGE and can allow a tuner to add BIG power due to the increased octane AND the cooling effect. Don't underestimate the capability of meth injection.

Real tuners and guys like me who have been building cars for years already knew this.
Welcome to the 1990s...........

You all see the 2016 Camaro SS ???
Since AMG completely FAILED with the C63 and AMG GT, I can't wait to buy my 2016 Camaro SS, add a centri, headers, and meth injection for 750rwhp.
I'm looking forward to running 9's with good air/tires and will be embarrassing a lot of overpriced German cars.
Although, I will always respect the 911 Turbo
It's too bad Porsche continues to be a joke due to the RIDICULOUS prices and the gimping of the Cayman.
It broke my heart that AMG denied the C63 the AWD and DCT it deserves.
Both are very stupid companies. Very sad.