Quoting Quiverfull: Is “Brave” Brave?

QUOTING QUIVERFULL is a regular feature of NLQ – we present the actual words of noted Quiverfull leaders and ask our readers: What do you think? Agree? Disagree? This is the place to state your opinion. Please, let’s keep it respectful – but at the same time, we encourage readers to examine the ideas of Quiverfull honestly and thoughtfully.

As mentioned, this film has several elements of grim reality to it, but one of the most profoundly truthful is this: Whenever you see crude boy-men like King Fergus and the clansmen, you’re going to see women like Queen Elinor and Princess Merida right next to them – dragging them around by the ears, doing all their talking for them, beating them at their own game, making their decisions for them, treating them like four-year-olds, and scolding them when they act like males.

“Brave” is a very accurate snapshot of the symbiotic relationship between feminists and perpetual frat-boys, and why it’s in both of their “best” (and worst) interests to keep the cycle going. For as long as the men keep playing, the women can keep running things… and as long as the women keep running things, the men can keep playing.

This might sound hopeless, but should actually give us hope – and the answer to the problem of “no” real men leading in the world. When there aren’t many real men in the world, that means that there aren’t many real women in the world either. It means that most of us have been, in small ways or large, part of the problem. And it means we can now be part of the solution. We can become the women that the men around us need us to be – not the men we wish they were.

I don’t think it’s about men being “real” men and women being “real” women. Women should not have to be (or pretend to be) weak, frail creatures in order for men to be responsible adults. That’s either a cop-out on the part of men or else an insult to men by those who think men cannot act responsibly without the help of outside forces. I think the solution is that both men and women act like the adults we are, regardless of how those around us are acting.

http://dream-wind.livejournal.com Christine

They’re still not married, correct?

suzannecalulu

Correct. Makes you wonder, doesn’t it? Guessing that no one good enough by Daddy’s standards has come along yet

http://www.facebook.com/lucrezaborgia lucrezaborgia

Cuz they totes know all about all humans, evar.

KarenH

As ever, I find the type of men these women laud to be a really insulting and demeaning veraion of men. As if a man couldn’t possibly be strong, unless the women around him deny their own inner strength. Talk about your girly men stereotype!

KarenH

Or “version of men” even

Persephone

*facepalm* Why, yes, I do love reading advice from immature females with nearly zero life experience. The entertainment value has a painful side, but it spurs me to keep on being a strong woman who does not put up with frat boy types or men who need women to be frail flowers.

Here’s an article about a manly man newspaper editor who believed that all that movies with strong female leads were destroying the masculinity of men. And he refused to run reviews about them. Yes, he really did. (The story is long and a bit overblown, but a great read, if you have the time.) http://blogs.suntimes.com/foreignc/2012/11/post-2.html

madame

Didn’t they have something to say about Tangled, too? Who will tell these girls that movies and fairy tales are for entertainment purposes, and one must not look at their heroes, heroines and villains for life guidance? I think they’re bored….

Karen

Have these girls ever seen any 1950′s or 60′s sitcoms? The men in those shows were immature prats as well, unless they were widowers, like Andy Griffith, and that was before feminism had much influence. In fact, the first appearance of the frat boy type civilized by a Good Woman was the Victorian “Angel in the House” ideal, long before Gloria Steinem.

http://calulu.blogspot.com Calulu

I guess they skipped the part where the clans men’s sons, the very ones vying to win betrothal to Princess Merida, spoke up and supported the Princess when she said they should be free to chose for love. Frat boy behavior? I’ve been in a lot of frats during my college years and haven’t seen many of them with swords or fighting or wearing kilts. Again, the Botkins have such limited life experiences that their imaginations are always raunchery than the truth.

Merbie

It’s not just those with limited life experience (as the Botkins have been described) that believe the immaturity of men is the fault of women.

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