Mother's devastation after son left seriously hurt by dangerous driver

A MOTHER has spoken about the devastating injuries her teenage son suffered after he was pinned to a wall and his legs shattered by a car being driven dangerously.

Nizamuddin Patel, aged 36, of Saltwood Grove, Bolton, lost control of a Vauxhall Vectra and slammed into Spencer Aspinall in Bolton Road, Atherton.

The 16-year-old’s toe was cut off and his legs were so badly broken in the crash that when his mother Joanne Aspinall got to the scene, a policeman asked her to look for bits of bone in the road.

Now she wants to warn motorists about the impact the crash has had on her family and Spencer, now aged 18, who has had to undergo 11 operations since the crash on November 22, 2012.

She said: “When I see people speeding now it makes me so angry, if they could only see the damage it can do.

“We have moved in with my mum and dad because it is a bungalow and it is easier for Spencer to get around.

“Spencer used to play rugby and he loved modelling and acting but he can’t do that anymore.

“He is at Pendleton College studying performing arts, it has been his dream since he was three to be an actor. But he is talking about dropping out of college because he feels his disability will always hold him back.”

Patel, aged 36, was found guilty of dangerous driving and was jailed for 12 months.

He was also given a four-year driving ban at Liverpool Crown Court.

The crash happened one week before a law was introduced that could have seen Patel face a charge of dangerous driving causing serious injury and up to five years in prison.

One witness, Stephen Gaskell, told the court how he had been driving behind Patel in Bolton and saw him dangerously overtaking other cars and speeding.

Mrs Aspinall, aged 43, of Stanley Street, Atherton, added: “Without the witnesses there wouldn’t have had a case.

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“He showed no remorse, all he cared about was getting cigarettes to his brother’s friends shop — even when my son was screaming on the side of the road.

“He chose to get in the car and drive that way and I hope his time in prison gives him time to reflect and think about it.”

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Mother's devastation after son left seriously hurt by dangerous driver

Puffin-Billy says...11:29am Fri 28 Feb 14

This poor lad, his family, the NHS, and we taxpayers are yet more victims of Bolton Council’s, and the Government’s bias in favour of car users. Bolton Council should be encouraging us to use the trains and buses. But, following the usual edict of do as we say, not as we do, the leader of Bolton Council Cliff Morris wants to provide free parking to encourage more people to come into Bolton...despite the fact that 500 people will be killed or seriously injured on Bolton’s roads in the next 10 years. Between the years 2008 and 2010, the cost to the taxpayer of collisions in the Greater Manchester area was estimated at around £341 million. That’s not counting the cost of pollution, and the obesity epidemic to the NHS - to the taxpayer, Well done Bolton Council!

This poor lad, his family, the NHS, and we taxpayers are yet more victims of Bolton Council’s, and the Government’s bias in favour of car users.
Bolton Council should be encouraging us to use the trains and buses.
But, following the usual edict of do as we say, not as we do, the leader of
Bolton Council Cliff Morris wants to provide free parking to encourage more people to come into Bolton...despite the fact that 500 people will be killed or seriously injured on Bolton’s roads in the next 10 years.
Between the years 2008 and 2010, the cost to the taxpayer of collisions in the Greater Manchester area was estimated at around £341 million.
That’s not counting the cost of pollution, and the obesity epidemic to the NHS - to the taxpayer, Well done Bolton Council!Puffin-Billy

This poor lad, his family, the NHS, and we taxpayers are yet more victims of Bolton Council’s, and the Government’s bias in favour of car users. Bolton Council should be encouraging us to use the trains and buses. But, following the usual edict of do as we say, not as we do, the leader of Bolton Council Cliff Morris wants to provide free parking to encourage more people to come into Bolton...despite the fact that 500 people will be killed or seriously injured on Bolton’s roads in the next 10 years. Between the years 2008 and 2010, the cost to the taxpayer of collisions in the Greater Manchester area was estimated at around £341 million. That’s not counting the cost of pollution, and the obesity epidemic to the NHS - to the taxpayer, Well done Bolton Council!

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Beyond News Forum says...12:01pm Fri 28 Feb 14

A terrible story. No parent should ever go through this. I hope Spencer recovers. But this: "The 16-year-old’s toe was cut off and his legs were so badly broken in the crash that when his mother Joanne Aspinall got to the scene, a policeman asked her to look for bits of bone in the road. " Seriously that CANNOT be true???

A terrible story. No parent should ever go through this. I hope Spencer recovers.
But this:
"The 16-year-old’s toe was cut off and his legs were so badly broken in the crash that when his mother Joanne Aspinall got to the scene, a policeman asked her to look for bits of bone in the road. "
Seriously that CANNOT be true???Beyond News Forum

A terrible story. No parent should ever go through this. I hope Spencer recovers. But this: "The 16-year-old’s toe was cut off and his legs were so badly broken in the crash that when his mother Joanne Aspinall got to the scene, a policeman asked her to look for bits of bone in the road. " Seriously that CANNOT be true???

puffin Billy, where do you get these stats.50 people a year killed on Bolton's roads? Even Morris would need to do something about that one. I think you must be an hysterical moaner by the sounds of your comment. Do you seriously think the scumbag that did this would have caught the train instead of using his car in this instance? I think not and I think you are probably on the wrong forum.

puffin Billy, where do you get these stats.50 people a year killed on Bolton's roads? Even Morris would need to do something about that one.
I think you must be an hysterical moaner by the sounds of your comment. Do you seriously think the scumbag that did this would have caught the train instead of using his car in this instance? I think not and I think you are probably on the wrong forum.cliff4treasurer

puffin Billy, where do you get these stats.50 people a year killed on Bolton's roads? Even Morris would need to do something about that one. I think you must be an hysterical moaner by the sounds of your comment. Do you seriously think the scumbag that did this would have caught the train instead of using his car in this instance? I think not and I think you are probably on the wrong forum.

Score: 9

AA51CYA says...1:05pm Fri 28 Feb 14

Typical dangerous driver who only cares about himself and nobody else. A dangerous driver is not always an asian. Could be anyone. Being asian or not has got nothing to do with it. Hope the boy recovers well!

Typical dangerous driver who only cares about himself and nobody else. A dangerous driver is not always an asian. Could be anyone. Being asian or not has got nothing to do with it. Hope the boy recovers well!AA51CYA

Typical dangerous driver who only cares about himself and nobody else. A dangerous driver is not always an asian. Could be anyone. Being asian or not has got nothing to do with it. Hope the boy recovers well!

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danssoncabaret says...2:03pm Fri 28 Feb 14

Being Asian is only relevant in light of the recent acts of careless driving and the intervention of Bolton Council of Mosques because it was deemed that too many accidents are caused by young Muslim lads. They are driving recklessly without care for other road users and having preventable and very serious traffic accidents, with life threatening consequences. Just think of the out cry there would be were it the other way about. This is not a racists issue at all.

Being Asian is only relevant in light of the recent acts of careless driving and the intervention of Bolton Council of Mosques because it was deemed that too many accidents are caused by young Muslim lads. They are driving recklessly without care for other road users and having preventable and very serious traffic accidents, with life threatening consequences. Just think of the out cry there would be were it the other way about. This is not a racists issue at all.danssoncabaret

Being Asian is only relevant in light of the recent acts of careless driving and the intervention of Bolton Council of Mosques because it was deemed that too many accidents are caused by young Muslim lads. They are driving recklessly without care for other road users and having preventable and very serious traffic accidents, with life threatening consequences. Just think of the out cry there would be were it the other way about. This is not a racists issue at all.

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Puffin-Billy says...2:30pm Fri 28 Feb 14

Stats from: .....http://www.theb oltonnews.co.uk/news /9359781.print/ Report to Transport for Greater Manchester Committee’s Capital Projects and Policy Sub Committee. It doesn't take a lot of intelligence to deduct, that had the driver been a passenger on a bus or a train - he would not have been able to cause that injury to that boy. And it doesn't take a lot of intelligence to deduct that one car less on Bolton's roads means a safer Bolton. For every fatal collision, there is a one in two chance that the driver responsible has a criminal record, according to preliminary research by South Yorkshire police. Fact is we have a culture which is dominated by the private motor vehicle. Fact is we Boltonians find it acceptable as taxpayers that from 1999 - 2010, 114 people died on Bolton local authority roads. That just the deaths ----------it doesn't include seriously injured people. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Stats from: .....http://www.theb
oltonnews.co.uk/news
/9359781.print/
Report to Transport for Greater Manchester Committee’s Capital Projects and Policy Sub Committee.
It doesn't take a lot of intelligence to deduct, that had the driver been a passenger on a bus or a train - he would not have been able to cause that injury to that boy.
And it doesn't take a lot of intelligence to deduct that one car less on Bolton's roads means a safer Bolton.
For every fatal collision, there is a one in two chance that the driver responsible has a criminal record, according to preliminary research by South Yorkshire police.
Fact is we have a culture which is dominated by the private motor vehicle.
Fact is we Boltonians find it acceptable as taxpayers that from 1999 - 2010, 114 people died on Bolton local authority roads. That just the deaths ----------it doesn't include seriously injured people.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Puffin-Billy

Stats from: .....http://www.theb oltonnews.co.uk/news /9359781.print/ Report to Transport for Greater Manchester Committee’s Capital Projects and Policy Sub Committee. It doesn't take a lot of intelligence to deduct, that had the driver been a passenger on a bus or a train - he would not have been able to cause that injury to that boy. And it doesn't take a lot of intelligence to deduct that one car less on Bolton's roads means a safer Bolton. For every fatal collision, there is a one in two chance that the driver responsible has a criminal record, according to preliminary research by South Yorkshire police. Fact is we have a culture which is dominated by the private motor vehicle. Fact is we Boltonians find it acceptable as taxpayers that from 1999 - 2010, 114 people died on Bolton local authority roads. That just the deaths ----------it doesn't include seriously injured people. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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Puffin-Billy says...2:35pm Fri 28 Feb 14

Sorry forgot to post this: From:............... .........http://www. bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15 975564 During the 12 years to 2011, the police recorded more than three million road casualties in Great Britain. More than 36,000 people lost their lives and another 373,985 were seriously injured. However, the police figures do not reflect the full scale of death and injury on the roads. Many incidents go unreported. The best official estimate of the total number of people killed and injured in road collisions each year is a massive 730,000. While the price paid by the victims and their familes is inestimable, the annual cost to the economy is between £15bn and £32bn.

Sorry forgot to post this:
From:...............
.........http://www.
bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15
975564
During the 12 years to 2011, the police recorded more than three million road casualties in Great Britain.
More than 36,000 people lost their lives and another 373,985 were seriously injured.
However, the police figures do not reflect the full scale of death and injury on the roads. Many incidents go unreported.
The best official estimate of the total number of people killed and injured in road collisions each year is a massive 730,000.
While the price paid by the victims and their familes is inestimable, the annual cost to the economy is between £15bn and £32bn.Puffin-Billy

Sorry forgot to post this: From:............... .........http://www. bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15 975564 During the 12 years to 2011, the police recorded more than three million road casualties in Great Britain. More than 36,000 people lost their lives and another 373,985 were seriously injured. However, the police figures do not reflect the full scale of death and injury on the roads. Many incidents go unreported. The best official estimate of the total number of people killed and injured in road collisions each year is a massive 730,000. While the price paid by the victims and their familes is inestimable, the annual cost to the economy is between £15bn and £32bn.

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Back oth Bank Boy says...2:36pm Fri 28 Feb 14

There are bad apples in every basket. This was bad driver.He was muslim so anti muslim trolls are jumping no band wagon. I suggest while this bad driver in jail he should be served hundred lashes every day by Spencer Aspinall. I am muslim and this is my opinion. Nizamuddin Patel must pay compensation to Spencer A.S.A.P.

There are bad apples in every basket. This was bad driver.He was muslim so anti muslim trolls are jumping no band wagon. I suggest while this bad
driver in jail he should be served hundred lashes every day by Spencer Aspinall. I am muslim and this is my opinion. Nizamuddin Patel must pay
compensation to Spencer A.S.A.P.Back oth Bank Boy

There are bad apples in every basket. This was bad driver.He was muslim so anti muslim trolls are jumping no band wagon. I suggest while this bad driver in jail he should be served hundred lashes every day by Spencer Aspinall. I am muslim and this is my opinion. Nizamuddin Patel must pay compensation to Spencer A.S.A.P.

Score: 21

What I think 222 says...3:40pm Fri 28 Feb 14

Such a terrible thing to happen to Spencer, it is so sad that he is still paying the price for another's reckless actions. To hear the driver showed no remorse makes it worse somehow. As a mother myself, I can only imagine the shock and pain of seeing your child horrifically injured that way. Hope the skill of surgeons and Spencer's bravery can help him to overcome the damage done, and that in time, he can realize at least some of his ambitions. My heart goes out to all the family.

Such a terrible thing to happen to Spencer, it is so sad that he is still paying the price for another's reckless actions. To hear the driver showed no remorse makes it worse somehow. As a mother myself, I can only imagine the shock and pain of seeing your child horrifically injured that way. Hope the skill of surgeons and Spencer's bravery can help him to overcome the damage done, and that in time, he can realize at least some of his ambitions. My heart goes out to all the family.What I think 222

Such a terrible thing to happen to Spencer, it is so sad that he is still paying the price for another's reckless actions. To hear the driver showed no remorse makes it worse somehow. As a mother myself, I can only imagine the shock and pain of seeing your child horrifically injured that way. Hope the skill of surgeons and Spencer's bravery can help him to overcome the damage done, and that in time, he can realize at least some of his ambitions. My heart goes out to all the family.

Score: 19

EveDallas says...7:54pm Fri 28 Feb 14

To Spencer, don't let your disability hold you back. What ever you want to do with your life, you will achieve it. Be positive, don't let that scumbag driver rob you of your dreams. take care.

To Spencer, don't let your disability hold you back. What ever you want to do with your life, you will achieve it. Be positive, don't let that scumbag driver rob you of your dreams. take care.EveDallas

To Spencer, don't let your disability hold you back. What ever you want to do with your life, you will achieve it. Be positive, don't let that scumbag driver rob you of your dreams. take care.

Score: 18

united99 says...10:07pm Fri 28 Feb 14

Comment777 YOU LIKE TALKING YOUR SELF UP AS THOUGH YOU ARE SOME MACHO MAN. ACCIDENTS HAPPEN AND YES THIS WAS THROUGH RECKLESS DRIVING BUT YOU LET THE LAW DEAL WITH IT SO JUST ACCEPT THE FACTS AND MOVE ON. STICK TO THE THE COUNTRYSIDE WITH YOUR LITTLE VOLVO. WISHING HIM A SPEEDY RECOVERY

Comment777
YOU LIKE TALKING YOUR SELF UP AS THOUGH YOU ARE SOME MACHO MAN.
ACCIDENTS HAPPEN AND YES THIS WAS THROUGH RECKLESS DRIVING BUT YOU LET THE LAW DEAL WITH IT SO JUST ACCEPT THE FACTS AND MOVE ON.
STICK TO THE THE COUNTRYSIDE WITH YOUR LITTLE VOLVO.
WISHING HIM A SPEEDY RECOVERYunited99

Comment777 YOU LIKE TALKING YOUR SELF UP AS THOUGH YOU ARE SOME MACHO MAN. ACCIDENTS HAPPEN AND YES THIS WAS THROUGH RECKLESS DRIVING BUT YOU LET THE LAW DEAL WITH IT SO JUST ACCEPT THE FACTS AND MOVE ON. STICK TO THE THE COUNTRYSIDE WITH YOUR LITTLE VOLVO. WISHING HIM A SPEEDY RECOVERY

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KW1990 says...3:22am Sat 1 Mar 14

speed doesn't kill, its the incompetence of the driver. nobody is taught how to control a car when things go tits up or how weight distribution can effect handling. skid pan training should be mandatory, not just for this issue but adverse weather, snow/ice etc. its the main reason we grind to a halt when it snows, nobody can 'drive' they just passed a basic manouver test

speed doesn't kill, its the incompetence of the driver.
nobody is taught how to control a car when things go tits up or how weight distribution can effect handling.
skid pan training should be mandatory, not just for this issue but adverse weather, snow/ice etc. its the main reason we grind to a halt when it snows, nobody can 'drive' they just passed a basic manouver testKW1990

speed doesn't kill, its the incompetence of the driver. nobody is taught how to control a car when things go tits up or how weight distribution can effect handling. skid pan training should be mandatory, not just for this issue but adverse weather, snow/ice etc. its the main reason we grind to a halt when it snows, nobody can 'drive' they just passed a basic manouver test

Score: 1

Wolfie190 says...10:01am Sat 1 Mar 14

KW1990 wrote…

speed doesn't kill, its the incompetence of the driver. nobody is taught how to control a car when things go tits up or how weight distribution can effect handling. skid pan training should be mandatory, not just for this issue but adverse weather, snow/ice etc. its the main reason we grind to a halt when it snows, nobody can 'drive' they just passed a basic manouver test

How will that stop somebody driving like a complete idiot with no respect for other road users or pedestrians ?

[quote][p][bold]KW1990[/bold] wrote:
speed doesn't kill, its the incompetence of the driver.
nobody is taught how to control a car when things go tits up or how weight distribution can effect handling.
skid pan training should be mandatory, not just for this issue but adverse weather, snow/ice etc. its the main reason we grind to a halt when it snows, nobody can 'drive' they just passed a basic manouver test[/p][/quote]How will that stop somebody driving like a complete idiot with no respect for other road users or pedestrians ?Wolfie190

KW1990 wrote…

speed doesn't kill, its the incompetence of the driver. nobody is taught how to control a car when things go tits up or how weight distribution can effect handling. skid pan training should be mandatory, not just for this issue but adverse weather, snow/ice etc. its the main reason we grind to a halt when it snows, nobody can 'drive' they just passed a basic manouver test

How will that stop somebody driving like a complete idiot with no respect for other road users or pedestrians ?

Score: 5

Ernagy2 says...12:11pm Sat 1 Mar 14

Puffin-Billy wrote…

Stats from: .....http://www.theb oltonnews.co.uk/news /9359781.print/ Report to Transport for Greater Manchester Committee’s Capital Projects and Policy Sub Committee. It doesn't take a lot of intelligence to deduct, that had the driver been a passenger on a bus or a train - he would not have been able to cause that injury to that boy. And it doesn't take a lot of intelligence to deduct that one car less on Bolton's roads means a safer Bolton. For every fatal collision, there is a one in two chance that the driver responsible has a criminal record, according to preliminary research by South Yorkshire police. Fact is we have a culture which is dominated by the private motor vehicle. Fact is we Boltonians find it acceptable as taxpayers that from 1999 - 2010, 114 people died on Bolton local authority roads. That just the deaths ----------it doesn't include seriously injured people. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>

So there answer is to ban all private cars and road vehicle is it? Just because there are some people out there who drive recklessly. Shall we ban alcohol because some get addicted? Maybe we should never be allowed to get out of our houses just in case....well who knows what could happen. Then again there are plenty of examples of bus drivers getting it wrong. Anyone can have a heart attack at any time so best not put people in charge of machinery at all. So maybe the answer is automation. In America they are getting close to the driverless car - maybe that's the answer - the car drives itself. Then again are you willing to give technology a freehand? Doesn't Technology go wrong sometimes? Though I would agree that we should do everything in our power to minimize traffic accidents I think it's unrealistic to think we will reduced them altogether. Slower speeds in built up areas would help. Speed limiters on cars so that they can't go faster then the national speed limit (Lorries have them why not cars). However it is inappropriate speed that cause the accident not speeding in itself.

[quote][p][bold]Puffin-Billy[/bold] wrote:
Stats from: .....http://www.theb
oltonnews.co.uk/news
/9359781.print/
Report to Transport for Greater Manchester Committee’s Capital Projects and Policy Sub Committee.
It doesn't take a lot of intelligence to deduct, that had the driver been a passenger on a bus or a train - he would not have been able to cause that injury to that boy.
And it doesn't take a lot of intelligence to deduct that one car less on Bolton's roads means a safer Bolton.
For every fatal collision, there is a one in two chance that the driver responsible has a criminal record, according to preliminary research by South Yorkshire police.
Fact is we have a culture which is dominated by the private motor vehicle.
Fact is we Boltonians find it acceptable as taxpayers that from 1999 - 2010, 114 people died on Bolton local authority roads. That just the deaths ----------it doesn't include seriously injured people.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>[/p][/quote]So there answer is to ban all private cars and road vehicle is it? Just because there are some people out there who drive recklessly. Shall we ban alcohol because some get addicted? Maybe we should never be allowed to get out of our houses just in case....well who knows what could happen.
Then again there are plenty of examples of bus drivers getting it wrong. Anyone can have a heart attack at any time so best not put people in charge of machinery at all.
So maybe the answer is automation. In America they are getting close to the driverless car - maybe that's the answer - the car drives itself. Then again are you willing to give technology a freehand? Doesn't Technology go wrong sometimes?
Though I would agree that we should do everything in our power to minimize traffic accidents I think it's unrealistic to think we will reduced them altogether. Slower speeds in built up areas would help. Speed limiters on cars so that they can't go faster then the national speed limit (Lorries have them why not cars). However it is inappropriate speed that cause the accident not speeding in itself.Ernagy2

Puffin-Billy wrote…

Stats from: .....http://www.theb oltonnews.co.uk/news /9359781.print/ Report to Transport for Greater Manchester Committee’s Capital Projects and Policy Sub Committee. It doesn't take a lot of intelligence to deduct, that had the driver been a passenger on a bus or a train - he would not have been able to cause that injury to that boy. And it doesn't take a lot of intelligence to deduct that one car less on Bolton's roads means a safer Bolton. For every fatal collision, there is a one in two chance that the driver responsible has a criminal record, according to preliminary research by South Yorkshire police. Fact is we have a culture which is dominated by the private motor vehicle. Fact is we Boltonians find it acceptable as taxpayers that from 1999 - 2010, 114 people died on Bolton local authority roads. That just the deaths ----------it doesn't include seriously injured people. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>

So there answer is to ban all private cars and road vehicle is it? Just because there are some people out there who drive recklessly. Shall we ban alcohol because some get addicted? Maybe we should never be allowed to get out of our houses just in case....well who knows what could happen. Then again there are plenty of examples of bus drivers getting it wrong. Anyone can have a heart attack at any time so best not put people in charge of machinery at all. So maybe the answer is automation. In America they are getting close to the driverless car - maybe that's the answer - the car drives itself. Then again are you willing to give technology a freehand? Doesn't Technology go wrong sometimes? Though I would agree that we should do everything in our power to minimize traffic accidents I think it's unrealistic to think we will reduced them altogether. Slower speeds in built up areas would help. Speed limiters on cars so that they can't go faster then the national speed limit (Lorries have them why not cars). However it is inappropriate speed that cause the accident not speeding in itself.

Score: 0

Ernagy2 says...12:22pm Sat 1 Mar 14

Puffin-Billy wrote…

This poor lad, his family, the NHS, and we taxpayers are yet more victims of Bolton Council’s, and the Government’s bias in favour of car users. Bolton Council should be encouraging us to use the trains and buses. But, following the usual edict of do as we say, not as we do, the leader of Bolton Council Cliff Morris wants to provide free parking to encourage more people to come into Bolton...despite the fact that 500 people will be killed or seriously injured on Bolton’s roads in the next 10 years. Between the years 2008 and 2010, the cost to the taxpayer of collisions in the Greater Manchester area was estimated at around £341 million. That’s not counting the cost of pollution, and the obesity epidemic to the NHS - to the taxpayer, Well done Bolton Council!

This is a terrible tragedy and my heart goes out to Spencer and his family In reply to Puffin-Billy, The trains are full mate. Buses need to lower their costs but like cars they suffer from the oil price. There really isn't evidence that a bus service or a train service would have done anything to avoid this tragedy. If the tragedy happened on the bus would that have been alright then? Of course not, yet accidents happen on our buses and trains and cause even more devastation. Judging by the way our trains are packed I can foresee an accident waiting to happen on the Bolton to Manchester line. It wasn't that long ago that someone decided to take their own life by throwing themselves into a passing train - how many passengers could that have killed. As with these incidents we get the anti car brigade out, which is unnecessary. What is really needed is more public information films for both motorists and cyclists alike

[quote][p][bold]Puffin-Billy[/bold] wrote:
This poor lad, his family, the NHS, and we taxpayers are yet more victims of Bolton Council’s, and the Government’s bias in favour of car users.
Bolton Council should be encouraging us to use the trains and buses.
But, following the usual edict of do as we say, not as we do, the leader of
Bolton Council Cliff Morris wants to provide free parking to encourage more people to come into Bolton...despite the fact that 500 people will be killed or seriously injured on Bolton’s roads in the next 10 years.
Between the years 2008 and 2010, the cost to the taxpayer of collisions in the Greater Manchester area was estimated at around £341 million.
That’s not counting the cost of pollution, and the obesity epidemic to the NHS - to the taxpayer, Well done Bolton Council![/p][/quote]This is a terrible tragedy and my heart goes out to Spencer and his family
In reply to Puffin-Billy, The trains are full mate. Buses need to lower their costs but like cars they suffer from the oil price.
There really isn't evidence that a bus service or a train service would have done anything to avoid this tragedy. If the tragedy happened on the bus would that have been alright then? Of course not, yet accidents happen on our buses and trains and cause even more devastation. Judging by the way our trains are packed I can foresee an accident waiting to happen on the Bolton to Manchester line. It wasn't that long ago that someone decided to take their own life by throwing themselves into a passing train - how many passengers could that have killed.
As with these incidents we get the anti car brigade out, which is unnecessary.
What is really needed is more public information films for both motorists and cyclists alikeErnagy2

Puffin-Billy wrote…

This poor lad, his family, the NHS, and we taxpayers are yet more victims of Bolton Council’s, and the Government’s bias in favour of car users. Bolton Council should be encouraging us to use the trains and buses. But, following the usual edict of do as we say, not as we do, the leader of Bolton Council Cliff Morris wants to provide free parking to encourage more people to come into Bolton...despite the fact that 500 people will be killed or seriously injured on Bolton’s roads in the next 10 years. Between the years 2008 and 2010, the cost to the taxpayer of collisions in the Greater Manchester area was estimated at around £341 million. That’s not counting the cost of pollution, and the obesity epidemic to the NHS - to the taxpayer, Well done Bolton Council!

This is a terrible tragedy and my heart goes out to Spencer and his family In reply to Puffin-Billy, The trains are full mate. Buses need to lower their costs but like cars they suffer from the oil price. There really isn't evidence that a bus service or a train service would have done anything to avoid this tragedy. If the tragedy happened on the bus would that have been alright then? Of course not, yet accidents happen on our buses and trains and cause even more devastation. Judging by the way our trains are packed I can foresee an accident waiting to happen on the Bolton to Manchester line. It wasn't that long ago that someone decided to take their own life by throwing themselves into a passing train - how many passengers could that have killed. As with these incidents we get the anti car brigade out, which is unnecessary. What is really needed is more public information films for both motorists and cyclists alike

Score: 1

Ernagy2 says...12:29pm Sat 1 Mar 14

Wolfie190 wrote…

KW1990 wrote…

speed doesn't kill, its the incompetence of the driver. nobody is taught how to control a car when things go tits up or how weight distribution can effect handling. skid pan training should be mandatory, not just for this issue but adverse weather, snow/ice etc. its the main reason we grind to a halt when it snows, nobody can 'drive' they just passed a basic manouver test

How will that stop somebody driving like a complete idiot with no respect for other road users or pedestrians ?

How do you stop people who have no respect for human and are determined to knife you in the street? How do you stop people who are suicidal jumping in front of a train or bus? There is no answer to the idiot. Education and support is the only thing we have to counter such actions. Most kids don't get to take the cycling proficiency test where you got to learn the highway code and respect for fellow road users, which I took when I was young. That served me well for when I took my driving test and started driving.

[quote][p][bold]Wolfie190[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]KW1990[/bold] wrote:
speed doesn't kill, its the incompetence of the driver.
nobody is taught how to control a car when things go tits up or how weight distribution can effect handling.
skid pan training should be mandatory, not just for this issue but adverse weather, snow/ice etc. its the main reason we grind to a halt when it snows, nobody can 'drive' they just passed a basic manouver test[/p][/quote]How will that stop somebody driving like a complete idiot with no respect for other road users or pedestrians ?[/p][/quote]How do you stop people who have no respect for human and are determined to knife you in the street? How do you stop people who are suicidal jumping in front of a train or bus? There is no answer to the idiot. Education and support is the only thing we have to counter such actions. Most kids don't get to take the cycling proficiency test where you got to learn the highway code and respect for fellow road users, which I took when I was young. That served me well for when I took my driving test and started driving.Ernagy2

Wolfie190 wrote…

KW1990 wrote…

speed doesn't kill, its the incompetence of the driver. nobody is taught how to control a car when things go tits up or how weight distribution can effect handling. skid pan training should be mandatory, not just for this issue but adverse weather, snow/ice etc. its the main reason we grind to a halt when it snows, nobody can 'drive' they just passed a basic manouver test

How will that stop somebody driving like a complete idiot with no respect for other road users or pedestrians ?

How do you stop people who have no respect for human and are determined to knife you in the street? How do you stop people who are suicidal jumping in front of a train or bus? There is no answer to the idiot. Education and support is the only thing we have to counter such actions. Most kids don't get to take the cycling proficiency test where you got to learn the highway code and respect for fellow road users, which I took when I was young. That served me well for when I took my driving test and started driving.

Score: 1

Comment777 says...3:53pm Sat 1 Mar 14

united99 wrote…

Comment777 YOU LIKE TALKING YOUR SELF UP AS THOUGH YOU ARE SOME MACHO MAN. ACCIDENTS HAPPEN AND YES THIS WAS THROUGH RECKLESS DRIVING BUT YOU LET THE LAW DEAL WITH IT SO JUST ACCEPT THE FACTS AND MOVE ON. STICK TO THE THE COUNTRYSIDE WITH YOUR LITTLE VOLVO. WISHING HIM A SPEEDY RECOVERY

Countryside, city , snow, rain,...Volvo rules. We do not do reckless driving we even have our own highway code...and no macho man I only make promises not idol threats...

[quote][p][bold]united99[/bold] wrote:
Comment777
YOU LIKE TALKING YOUR SELF UP AS THOUGH YOU ARE SOME MACHO MAN.
ACCIDENTS HAPPEN AND YES THIS WAS THROUGH RECKLESS DRIVING BUT YOU LET THE LAW DEAL WITH IT SO JUST ACCEPT THE FACTS AND MOVE ON.
STICK TO THE THE COUNTRYSIDE WITH YOUR LITTLE VOLVO.
WISHING HIM A SPEEDY RECOVERY[/p][/quote]Countryside, city , snow, rain,...Volvo rules. We do not do reckless driving we even have our own highway code...and no macho man I only make promises not idol threats...Comment777

united99 wrote…

Comment777 YOU LIKE TALKING YOUR SELF UP AS THOUGH YOU ARE SOME MACHO MAN. ACCIDENTS HAPPEN AND YES THIS WAS THROUGH RECKLESS DRIVING BUT YOU LET THE LAW DEAL WITH IT SO JUST ACCEPT THE FACTS AND MOVE ON. STICK TO THE THE COUNTRYSIDE WITH YOUR LITTLE VOLVO. WISHING HIM A SPEEDY RECOVERY

Countryside, city , snow, rain,...Volvo rules. We do not do reckless driving we even have our own highway code...and no macho man I only make promises not idol threats...

Score: 3

Greasy Chip Butty says...9:03pm Sat 1 Mar 14

News Watcher, what a generalised and sweeping statement. It's like me saying all women are bad drivers. Perhaps you can Daubhill at tea time.

News Watcher, what a generalised and sweeping statement. It's like me saying all women are bad drivers.
Perhaps you can Daubhill at tea time.Greasy Chip Butty

News Watcher, what a generalised and sweeping statement. It's like me saying all women are bad drivers. Perhaps you can Daubhill at tea time.

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