Do I really *need* to watch ZZ? I want to watch as much Gundam as I can, but watching ZZ makes me really wish I wasn't. I don't know why, It's not like it's the worst thing ever, just something about it makes me want to just... not.

>>11813067ZZ isn't as bad as people will tell you. It does improve somewhat, but as a whole it's only ever referenced again in Unicorn and if you don't like it/plan on watching Unicorn there isn't much of a point.

It improves for like five episodes when they are in the desert and then goes right back to shit because they were busy making CCA. Which is a shame because whenever I think about ZZ I really like all the ideas it had but the execution was just god awful.

>>11813183My issue with ZZ is Judau got his shit together so quick they barely did anything interesting with his character for the rest of the series. He doesn't really have much of an arch going from a lil shit to respectable pilot like Amuro and Kamille had.

>>11813105Like, the first few episodes. It just hasn't really grabbed me. I feel like the only parts of it I like are the parts that continue on from Zeta (Kamille in a coma, Fa, Yazan), and I didn't even like Zeta that much.

I understand that you don't want to, because I went through the exact same thing. Overall, no, it's not necessary, but I think it's good to do for UC completion. I wouldn't bother watching if I was extremely limited on time though.

>>11813324>can i skip zetathen why bother. if you skip the meat and potatoes of the UC why bother with the UC. go watch a AU gundam if you don't want to spend the time to watch the huge amount of content the UC offers.

Even in the early episodes of Shangri-La, I knew I liked ZZ Gundam, and there was something special about it. People hated it cause of the humor, but this was the first time we got in-depth look at colony life in the series. Then the Puru arc began, and it was solidified as my favorite Gundam series. {I'm not even a lolicon.}

If you don't want to watch it, don't watch it. And maybe you'll have that burning itch inside you to come back to it later.

>>11813067I'll tell you this, anon. As silly as the early episodes are, which I felt similarly about when I watched them, it gets more serious later on. IIRC there aren't a lot of times that are devoid of the kids antics until towards the end.

However, around halfway through it hooked me in, even more than Zeta. Unlike Zeta I was not too pissed off at all these cyber newtypes and Katz's to enjoy the show, and that cemented ZZ as my favorite series.

>>11813067You don't need to watch ZZ unless you're a UC enthusiast, in which case it's relevant to the overall plot.

However, you can still be a Gundamfag by watching G, Wing, X, 08th, 0080, 0083 and F91. You won't get Goofy, Jesus, Space Autism, UNDERSTANDING or kill all Purus, but it'll still be a pretty enjoyable ride.

>>118144360083 is a beautiful story of cuckoldry like few others. The beta protag does everything right by his woman, fights for his country and risks his life trying to save countless people. Then he gets dumped for a genocidal maniac with no respect for other men's personal space who doesn't even think Kou is worth killing.

And what does he get for all his trouble? Maybe a little pity nookie? Nope. JUST A CHANCE TO BUNK WITH BUBBA!

He winds up red pilled as fuck and hell bent on chillaxing for the rest of his days as a laid back test pilot because fuck women and country. Then Keith shows up and it's bro time...until he sees Nina.

It's clear when the shot slowly zooms in on his cold, blank, hateful expression that he's thinking "you've got some tits to still be here, bitch". Kou even tries to fake a smile but still can't stop himself from reverting to that resentful glare.

We all know what would've happened next if the head honchos hadn't made them cut to the credits. So yeah, don't go shitting on 0083.

>>11814182>Space AztecsAnd here I was, thinking I had a pretty good idea of what the rest of UC was gonna be like.

>>11813962I dunno, even if I end up not liking it it still sounds like ZZ is worth watching for the references in Unicorn. I really like that kind of thing. Like, I didn't really care for Zeta that much, but the parts that call back to the original MSG (pretty much anything to do with Neo Zeon) made it worth it to me.

>>11815291It was solely her betrayal that rendered everything he did in vain, forcing him to go back a disgrace rather than a hero. So yeah, it was still entirely her fault.

I mean, the Feddies couldn't just go and jail the man who stopped a colony drop and avenged an entire fleet FOR GREAT FEDERATION JUSTICE, and then still claim to be true to their cause. They'd laughed out of the room in disgrace by anyone with even half a brain.

But as for the guy who stole a Gundam and completely failed to make any difference at all? Ha. Nobody's going to give a crap.

Nina was truly the writer's gift to the Titans. She's basically the anti-Aina.

>>11815291>>11814666Nina was guilty for a lot more than that.>Showing up at base the the same day Gato arrives>Seeing Gato steal the gundam and not do anything>Tell everyone she has no idea who it was even though she was intimate with Gato>Deliberately puts the 03 in the hands of what she thought was an incompetent>Follows along to relay information back>Toys with Kou's feelings to keep him emotionally unbalanced>Stops Kou from stopping the colony drop and saving GatoNina Purpleton was a Zeon agent. The only scene missing was her putting on a Zeon uniform and hailing a Zeon flag.

>Zeta>Kamille throws a hissyfit and gets his ass beat by Wong as a disciplinary measure>ZZ>Wong takes a swing at Judau to enact a similar disciplinary measure>Judau turns around and beats the shit out of himI don't know anons, I'm having a good time with this show.

>>11819209Nope, Hygoggs are 0080 only as far as animated material is concerned. They are, however, in a number of games:Mobile Suit Gundam Side Story: The Blue Destiny, Mobile Suit Gundam: Journey to Jaburo, Mobile Suit Gundam: Lost War Chronicles, Gundam Battle Assault 2, Mobile Suit Gundam: Battlefield Record U.C. 0081, and Mobile Suit Gundam: Extreme Vs.

>>11813291>Like, the first few episodes. It just hasn't really grabbed meIt gets good around ep. 20. If you're willing to wade through the shite early on you'll be pleasantly surprised, if not I don't really blame you. I couldn't stand it to start with.

>Judau visits Haman's ship with a funton of grenades>Haman gets really horny and tries to fuck him in the hallway>The guards ruin everything>Judau bombs the inside of the ship and escapes>Kills the superMS of the day on the way out almost as an afterthought>Haman is still hornyThese episodes man..

>>11817475I remember there being huge debate on the angles of Nina and Gato, their positions and whether or not she could have seen his face. Then this all becomes meaningless anyway because HE MADE A RADIO ANNOUNCEMENT ABOUT THE GUNDAMJACK. She heard Gato's voice.

One of my main problems with ZZ is that I didn't like ANY of the main characters.. Beecha and Mondo? GOD the two of them are so annoying without contributing anything, even Judau is just.. well he's lame.. Felt like the character just sorta happened.. never cared for him and only ever rooted against him. I literally watched the show for Haman of which there wasn't enough of her and to see her get killed by Judau.. ugh

>Zeta>Katz dies like a bitch when he crashes his core fighter into an asteroid at full speed>ZZ>Not one, but two people>In the same episode!>Crash their core fighter into an asteroid at full speed>They fly out of the cockpit and smack into the asteroid>They're just briefly stunned

>Judau, who I think is more relateable than Kamille cause he has imoutos, not half a dozen girlfriends>Elle>Roux>Beecha>The shy one>Bright>Torres>Mash>Chara>Glemy>Haman>Puru>Puru-2>Nahel Argama was the best ship

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