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I had to ask for the excitement. I wanted to help. Lionheart hits the nail on its head. You will not be put into any situation you can't handle.These are the rules basically.One other rule is 'you can only scare yourself'.Think about that one.

We may need to start a topic on retrievals for those with questions. Information is mind calming.

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There's far more where the eye can't see.Close your eyes and open your mind.

The projector wouldn't be experiencing these if he/she wasn't able to handle them! You are only given what you can handle and if you can't handle it for some reason, you are being taught how to.

When I had my first Retrieval, first off, I didn't even know it was a Retrieval until others told me. But, it was a very simple, cut and dry scenario. Everything in it made sense to me, so did the solution.

But, through the last couple of years they have become much more involved. But, that's only because I evolved as well.

Last year in my X-mas Kiosk, I met a couple who had a daughter that was experiencing extreme nightmares. I asked them to have their daughter come and see me. She explained how this "monster" was after her and always chasing her in her Dreams. I calmly told her that she likely ended up in his Realm and that in his Realm, that's what all the entities looked like. If anything she was the scary one. I said, possibly this "monster" is looking for a friend. I told her next time she saw him in a Dream to turn face him and give him some kind of "peace offering", like a cookie or some flowers. A couple of days went by, then one day I turned a looked, she was with her boyfriend and she reached out and gave me a big hug. She said she made a "new friend", then winked as she walked away with a smile on her face.

Do you see what I am saying here? This "monster" was only scary and threatening when she believed he was indeed a "monster", but when she learned that all the entities in that area were the same and she was the "outsider" everything changed. Once again, change your mindset, change your reality!

Yes, I get now. Thank you for the great explanation. When you say "you are only given what you can handle," that is a much more spiritual position than I was taking. Meaning you are trusting (experiencing) a higher power to guide you and not let you get into real trouble. (your own fears being the worst you can experience) The position I was taking was more like--well, it's mostly all good but sh#t happens. Not a very faith filled position for a christian. I'm embarrassed. lol! I think having all this explained in detail somewhere on the forum would be a good idea, because when some people get the idea you are saying--negs. are from your subconscious and only positive experiences can be of an outside source--it seems at first glance like wishful thinking. Further discussion brings clarity, though. Thank you!

ROFLNice one Lionheart. I hadn't forgotten this topic. I wasn't sure if a brief history of the days leading up to the retrieval scene would appropriate your original intent.It saves having to name a topic. The contents part are easy, the title, that's another story.I'll fast read it again for its feel and post when ready.

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There's far more where the eye can't see.Close your eyes and open your mind.

Every single time I listen to Tom Campbell, I hear something that I have just recently become aware of. Never fails. It's really amazing. I was just posting on this forum something I realized recently: how consciousness is natural and we just need to work removing the blocks and let it happen.

Just heard Tom say the exact same thing. I don't have to think about whether I agree with a lot of what he says because so much of it are things I've already been thinking about and decided were right. Really amazing!

Every single time I listen to Tom Campbell, I hear something that I have just recently become aware of. Never fails. It's really amazing. I was just posting on this forum something I realized recently: how consciousness is natural and we just need to work removing the blocks and let it happen.

I recently became aware of this as well. I spent so long trying to make ap happen. I was in the way of myself. Though I have learned exactly what I needed to when I was ready for it. it's amazing how well we truly know ourselves. So much more than what our daily conscience thinks it knows.

The projector wouldn't be experiencing these if he/she wasn't able to handle them! You are only given what you can handle and if you can't handle it for some reason, you are being taught how to.

It is well documented that we can pick up evil spirits from many sources. They can attach to the physically living on their death or find a living being from their near earthbound state. Whose to say that evil spirits cannot attach to OBErs?

Whose to say with full concordance that never has an OBE not end up in physical death? Since the living died in such awful circumstance, they could not report their illfatedness. The courage of the OBEr is not in his fragile and misguided belief that he is somehow sanctified from a physically destructive outcome but from his lack of concern of one.

It is well documented that we can pick up evil spirits from many sources. They can attach to the physically living on their death or find a living being from their near earthbound state. Whose to say that evil spirits cannot attach to OBErs?

Whatever or whoever these entities are, one thing is clear to me from my experience: Fear is the doorway through which they enter. Their only power over us is power we give them so don't give them any credit. Light is more powerful than darkness. Be the light and you will not be afraid. Being afraid attracts and invites negative entities and darkness in. You are telling them that they are stronger than you. I used to be afraid of them, afraid to go out at night. But as I developed spiritually, I realized that light has more power than darkness and I am stronger than they are. Be the light.

It is well documented that we can pick up evil spirits from many sources. They can attach to the physically living on their death or find a living being from their near earthbound state. Whose to say that evil spirits cannot attach to OBErs?

That's simply not part of my experience. Hence, it doesn't apply to me.See that? I just disproved all of the well documented sources as they simply don't apply to me because I CHOOSE for them to not apply to me.

It entirely revolves around two things:1. Belief - if you TRULY believe you're 100% safe, and I mean even more than "believe", but instead you "KNOW" you're safe... then nothing can harm you while projecting.2. Positive Mindset - keeping positive and loving goals/intents in mind while projecting will also keep everything bad (if such exists) away from you. If you're constantly doing sneaky and underhanded things such as spying on people... it *WILL* bite you in the butt eventually.

That's simply not part of my experience. Hence, it doesn't apply to me.See that? I just disproved all of the well documented sources as they simply don't apply to me because I CHOOSE for them to not apply to me.

It entirely revolves around two things:1. Belief - if you TRULY believe you're 100% safe, and I mean even more than "believe", but instead you "KNOW" you're safe... then nothing can harm you while projecting.2. Positive Mindset - keeping positive and loving goals/intents in mind while projecting will also keep everything bad (if such exists) away from you. If you're constantly doing sneaky and underhanded things such as spying on people... it *WILL* bite you in the butt eventually.

Part of what you project is your own beliefs so it's best to rid yourself of such beliefs, particularly the negatives ones, especially ones that involve fear. Unfortunately, a lot of religions perpetuate fear-based beliefs in "evil" and "demons", etc. so it's no wonder that some people are manifesting these demons or whatever you want to call them. I experienced this first hand and there was a time in my life where I wouldn't have even considered AP because of fear. Just like in our physical reality, in the Astral there are people who are negative, like to hurt or scare others, but they can only effect you if you let them. It's your choice.

That's simply not part of my experience. Hence, it doesn't apply to me...I just disproved all of the well documented sources as they simply don't apply to me because I CHOOSE for them to not apply to me.

You only apply that which you have personally experienced? Interesting.

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It entirely revolves around two things:1. Belief - if you TRULY believe you're 100% safe, and I mean even more than "believe", but instead you "KNOW" you're safe... then nothing can harm you while projecting.2. Positive Mindset - keeping positive and loving goals/intents in mind while projecting will also keep everything bad (if such exists) away from you...

It is bad habit of thinking that the world consists of just so many things and facts, and that we know every possible one of them because we can experience them. If they are not experienced, they are not real or knowable.

"It is well documented that we can pick up evil spirits from many sources. They can attach to the physically living on their death or find a living being from their near earthbound state. Whose to say that evil spirits cannot attach to OBErs?"

Whatever or whoever these entities are, one thing is clear to me from my experience: Fear is the doorway through which they enter. Their only power over us is power we give them so don't give them any credit. Light is more powerful than darkness. Be the light and you will not be afraid. Being afraid attracts and invites negative entities and darkness in. You are telling them that they are stronger than you. I used to be afraid of them, afraid to go out at night. But as I developed spiritually, I realized that light has more power than darkness and I am stronger than they are. Be the light.

You will need to preach that sermon to the spiritually possessed who of no consequence or knowledge, much less fear, of such attachment, are nonetheless not only possessed but influenced, many times heavily directed and controlled, by the spirit attached.

See Fiore, Tramont, Woolger and dozens of others who write extensively about spirit attachment, release and possession/depossession.

To wit, there are abilities of spirits, good and bad, which are positively known and demonstrated repeatedly and there is no reason to believe that these capabilities cannot exist within the world of the astrally traveling.

You will need to preach that sermon to the spiritually possessed who of no consequence or knowledge, much less fear, of such attachment, are nonetheless not only possessed but influenced, many times heavily directed and controlled, by the spirit attached.

See Fiore, Tramont, Woolger and dozens of others who write extensively about spirit attachment, release and possession/depossession.

To wit, there are abilities of spirits, good and bad, which are positively known and demonstrated repeatedly and there is no reason to believe that these capabilities cannot exist within the world of the astrally traveling.

Fear, lack or abundance of it, plays no part.

So what you are basically saying is that anyone of us could be suddenly taken over and possessed by some evil spirit against our own will? That is pretty frightening really. If this is the case, we should all live in fear. But better yet, maybe we should all adopt a belief system that will supposedly protect us, while leaving the fear there "just in case". It might be a good idea to create a place for such people to all coexist with guaranteed protection from such things (so long as the maintain the correct beliefs) and of course never venture out beyond the border of the protected area.

So what you are basically saying is that anyone of us could be suddenly taken over and possessed by some evil spirit against our own will? That is pretty frightening really. If this is the case, we should all live in fear.

[/color]Do you live in fear of cancer? Or being struck in the head with an asteroid? Or of the seas rising and engulfing the planet yet every one of these events have happened as have spiritual possession. Possession without even being aware of it happening. Google here is your friend.

Whether or not you fear the known or unknown is entirely your personal make-up. I don't fear possession even though I am personally aware of it happening to those who I have been involved in past life regressive states. Including the depossession and release of said spirit attachments.

Again, Google is your friend, you will find 1,000s of cases reported by hundreds of scientists, medical doctors and psychotherapists.

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But better yet, maybe we should all adopt a belief system that will supposedly protect us, while leaving the fear there "just in case". It might be a good idea to create a place for such people to all coexist with guaranteed protection from such things (so long as the maintain the correct beliefs) and of course never venture out beyond the border of the protected area.

That is my point, there is no guarantee of protection but what does it matter that here is not? Isn't this life journey a learning experience first and foremost? Isn't learning from suffering considered the most efficient way?

The senses (expereinces) of every person report to him that the earth is a fixed, immovable body, and that the sun, moon, planets, and stars move around the earth every twenty-four hours. It is only when one accepts the reports of the reasoning faculties, that he knows that the earth not only whirls around on its axis every twenty-four hours, but that it circles around the sun every three hundred and sixty-five days; and that even the sun itself, carrying with it the earth and the other planets, really moves along in space, moving toward or around some unknown point far distant from it.

If there is any one particular report of the senses (experiences) which would seem to be beyond doubt or question, it certainly would be this elementary sense report of the fixedness of the earth beneath our feet, and the movements of the heavenly bodies around it--geocentricism--and yet we know that this is merely an illusion, and that the facts of the case are totally different--heliocentrism.

If reality only comes from experience what a woeful sate we are in.

Just because we understand the rules that apply to our reality does not mean we understand the reality itself. It also doesn't mean the physical reality we experience has fixed, objective properties. If you take a look at the quantum world, in fact just the opposite is true. Those who believe in a subjective, non-materialistic reality have just as much scientific basis if not more than those who believe in a material, objective reality. I think what Tom is proposing is that we could be living in some kind of virtual-reality simulation. This is not a far-fetched idea at all. And Tom isn't the only physicist that thinks the best model for our physical reality is a computer. But as you say "Google is your best friend here"

You only apply that which you have personally experienced? Interesting.

Nonphysically, yes. I have never experienced "demons" or "being possessed"... as such, they're simply not part of my paradigm.Why should I worry about something, which for 34 years, hasn't been a factor? I can only conclude that such things simply don't exist and are only experienced by others because they believe in them or they worry about them and expect them in some subconscious manner.

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It is bad habit of thinking that the world consists of just so many things and facts, and that we know every possible one of them because we can experience them. If they are not experienced, they are not real or knowable.

I seriously disagree with this posture.

It's also a bad habit to attempt to pull a straw man over and over again. How about we stick with what actually said in a post?

I'm going to suggest you re-read what I ACTUALLY posted... then get back to me.Continuing this kind of posturing isn't going to be tolerated here.

Just a thought! If you have so much to rebut Tom about, why don't you go to his Forum and do it?

Tom's not here to speak up in his own defense!

The subject of this thread, which I did not start, is "How to Experience the Larger Reality - Tom Campbell" so I am well on-topic. If Mr. Campbell wishes to defend himself here, would you deny him that opportunity?

The subject of this thread, which I did not start, is "How to Experience the Larger Reality - Tom Campbell" so I am well on-topic. If Mr. Campbell wishes to defend himself here, would you deny him that opportunity?

Send him an email.

In all honesty, this thread is about how to experience the larger reality, not to over analyze Tom work. Accessing the nonphysical is only a small portion of his work. He's really no different than someone like Adyashanti in what he does. He's a guide to help you become a better person.

If you disagree with what he or someone else says, just ignore it. It's not part of your reality then. So let's please keep this thread on topic. Thanks.

I've actually just finished reading the complete trilogy of Tom Campbell's My Big TOE (MBT). It was a long slog, and difficult going, not because it is technically difficult, but because he continually talks around the subject and constantly repeats himself, which does get a bit wearing.

Tom continually talks about consciousness being digital, and realities being virtual. Personally, I don't think the word ‘digital’ actually adds anything to the concepts, in my mind consciousness could just as well be continuousness. I have had a brief look at some of the digital physicist’s papers, but I can't say the ideas grabbed me. It's something that I may investigate further, but I don’t feel that the truth lies in that direction.

The big disappointment in MBT is that Tom never one backs up his ideas with any proof. No mathematical proof, not even any anecdotal proof. He hints at how modern physics can be derived from the digital theory of consciousness but says that is beyond the scope of the book. This is not a criticism; Tom explicitly states that he is simply saying how things look to him from his explorations and experiments. Tom continually says that it is up to each of us to find our own way to experience a larger reality. So not only does he not back up any of his claims, but he doesn't really tell us how to find out for ourselves. Just that we should.

I don't think we should be waiting for science to prove the existence of the "Larger Reality" or anything else about the NPR really. After all, the only thing that science can prove is the rules that govern the physical reality. That's very useful information for us to function in the Physical Reality, but doesn't offer us anything for the Non-Physical Reality.

It's up to each one us individually to explore and find the meaning behind our existence here. Tom gives us a lot to think about and while I too don't agree with everything he says, his ideas have added a lot for me. We're all on the same journey here to learn. When we talk about "How to experience the Larger Reality" the key word here is experience. That's mainly what I'm interested in, actually going there myself, not taking anyone's word for anything. I listen to a lot of ideas and take what I can use from them, put what I can't use on the shelf for reference.

Tyler, MU, The OD, or whatever your name is, it is becoming obvious that you do not believe in any of this. You make a few posts so that you come across as sincere and then you start up with this stuff.

If you really wanted to engage Mr Campbell in a sincere debate, you wouldn't have made an butt out of yourself and been banned from his own forum FIVE times.

Your ban from the Pulse is quickly on it's way if you do not stop with your attitude. In all honesty, you should have been banned by now but we are a site that believes in giving people a chance to correct their behavior.

It's clear to me that there is something in your mind's pathology that compels you sabotage yourself even though you simultaneously crave and need the interaction with people. Most people just go out and make friends in their personal lives. Then they join forums that fit a certain niche so that they may discuss topics that aren't of your everyday garden variety.

You do not have to be a believer to be a member here. You're even welcome to think that we are all delusional but you are not welcomed to be rude to any of our members, respected authors, or anyone else for that matter.

Since you probably do not have many people with whom you can have a healthy repertoire with, you would do well to tone down your words here.

Oh, and in case you didn't know, forums report problem members to other forums, so you may come to find it increasingly difficult to find other forums to troll. Keep that in mind.

The bottom line is this: Be respectful and you MAY continue to be a member here. I put "may" in bold because you may have already ticked off the boss to a degree that it might already be to late.

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