Pilaus, the first link doesn't load. I've been trying it since yesterday. And the second link that I also tried yesterday doesn't have contact information. There's no one I can email or call about the games I've already purchased. All that site offers is to sell the games, not to give service.

I tried just now to check on the Agon games that I downloaded years ago. I still have the original emails from the website and the user name and password should I need to download them again.

I have a problem - the website isn't there. How am I supposed to reinstall the games now?

See there, that's what is going to happen. Years from now we wont have the games to replay. These download companies will not last forever. Got Ceville and Haunted in the mail this morning. Half way through BOUT. Loving it!

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JohnBoy, you will have the games to play if you buy from a site that sells them without DRM and lets you burn the game to disk because the game is now yours, period. It's the same thing as a boxed copy since you don't have to activate it with a code or online or whatever. Just no box.

Gil.

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JohnBoy, you will have the games to play if you buy from a site that sells them without DRM and lets you burn the game to disk because the game is now yours, period. It's the same thing as a boxed copy since you don't have to activate it with a code or online or whatever. Just no box.

Gil.

Not too many of that type of site running yet though, traveller, and I do use the ones that are - but I have the same disquiet as Johnboy regarding the future play of "download only" or "by activation only" games

I too am somewhat dubious about not being able to have a game in my sweaty palms. While it is less expensive to produce games if they are for download only, that is no guarantee the company will be around tomorrow. And if this company sells to that company, will that company honor your right to re-download a purchased game? And if the downloaded game is protected, storage other than the HD becomes interesting.

Instead of looking at all the ramifications with using a particular marketing strategy, people look for the least expensive. Not realizing they might be setting themselves up a huge loss in the future.

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I too am somewhat dubious about not being able to have a game in my sweaty palms.

Having a hard copy of a game doesn't ensure it won't require online activation. If a game on DVD uses online activation, it's no better than a download if the publisher goes out of business or decides not to support activation of their older games anymore.

For the price of a game, Homer6, you can burn every game you ever bought from a DRM-free site like GOG or DotEmu to disk. You don't have to depend on them being there ten or twenty years from now.

We must pray that those two and any others that care about gamers who despise DRM and online activation and game managers and can live forever without Achievements stay in business and stay true to their promises.

Do we have an icon for petitioning the god of games?

Gil.

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Melia,the contact for the developer of Agon is contact@privatemoon.com . It is displayed now on the privatemoon site under Links. Please contact them with your problem, although I understand it might be a publisher issue. Anyhow, maybe they can help.

So are there enough of us to get them to stop the download-only choice? I don't think so. I'm stuck with Agon games that I'd better not uninstall or the computer crash because I'll never get them back. GOG wasn't available at the time, I don't think. And even if they were, Agon wasn't on their site. Now that I know about burning the download to a disc, I'll be able to do it in the future. All of my executable downloads have been removed from the download folder long ago, so it's not an option.

This download issue hasn't changed in years. You can view a 4 year old thread here. It isn't going away, there will be more downloads and less boxes. You can choose to download (with or without DRM) or not play some games. That is up to you.

I can remember what happend when Atari suddenly decided not to sell the Neverwinter NIghts Premium Modules anymore. And so the activation codes didn't work - but then Bioware patched these codes out in the final 1.69 patch. And yes, the community helped out as well - so I wouldn't be too worried here.

Can we play King's Quest 4 on modern day computers - yes, with the help of Good Old Games. For the Agon Games, they seem to be on Bigfish now.

I tried looking into which greek or roman god could be connected to computer games? Maybe Apollo? or Mercury? or maybe Uranus since we deal in technology here? Or maybe Jupiter since we need a bit of good also?

However, if it has something to with being online and trading, I'm sure we'll need Mercury as he/she? is the god for communication and trade as well.

I can remember what happend when Atari suddenly decided not to sell the Neverwinter NIghts Premium Modules anymore. And so the activation codes didn't work - but then Bioware patched these codes out in the final 1.69 patch. And yes, the community helped out as well - so I wouldn't be too worried here.

That kind of thing only happens with extremely popular games, not with adventure games which are less well known and less played. If games like Byzantine, Connections, Ripper, Lost in Time, Chronomaster, Mission Critical, RAMA, Riddle of Master Lu, and Black Dahlia had included online activation, you would not be able to play them now (unless you had the technical expertise to remove the activation requirement yourself -- or knew someone who could and was willing to take the time to do it for you). For more well-known games like the Monkey Island games or Grim Fandango, you might get some workarounds from the community, but not for most adventure games.