On Nov 8, 2012, at 16:56 , "Dobbs, Brooks" <Brooks.Dobbs@kbmg.com> wrote:
> David,
>
> Admittedly, I needed to start by looking up "bike-shedding", but, having
> done so, I am not sure I agree.
>
> I think it would help us all to fully appreciate that UGEs aren't
> exceptions to how DNT:1 is processed by a specific site; if an exception
> at all, they are exceptions to DNT:1 being sent to ALL sites. Isn't this
> fundamentally different? A UGE site has no way of knowing if they are "an
> exception" or if the user's base line choice was to send DNT: 0 to all
> sites. I could imagine this having implications for sites that appear as
> both 1st and 3rd parties.
I agree. That's one of the reasons I don't like the word 'exception' and would prefer 'permission' for what users do. "You are getting permission from this user" (and it's not known whether this is a blanket grant to everyone or specific to you).
>
> In any event, I think we ought to be as consistent and clear as possible.
> Where something isn't an exception (or where the meaning of what it is an
> exception to is unclear) we should fix the language. Agree?
What I meant by bike-shedding was fiddling with the labels while we have technical work to do; I think a global rename would be easy later, once we know the substance of what the label applies to. (Maybe I am an optimist.) So I have been content to leave changing labels until later, that's all.
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> On 11/8/12 10:33 AM, "David Singer" <singer@apple.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Nov 8, 2012, at 16:30 , "Dobbs, Brooks" <Brooks.Dobbs@kbmg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Just as a point of clarification here I am noticing some language I
>>> believe to be technically incorrect entering into the discussion. To be
>>> clear - "short term collection" is NOT an exception; it is a permitted
>>> use.
>>
>> sorry. you are quite right.
>>
>>>
>>> This actually highlights another issue. For consistency we may need to
>>> change the language around user granted "exceptions" because they aren't
>>> really exceptions. An exception would be a special dispensation to
>>> process a DNT: 1 signal differently than would otherwise be allowed.
>>
>> I have long felt that users give 'permission' (not 'exception') and that
>> we need a different word for what the spec. allows in restricted
>> circumstances (not 'permission' or 'exception'). But this is
>> bike-shedding...
>>
>>
>> David Singer
>> Multimedia and Software Standards, Apple Inc.
>>
>
David Singer
Multimedia and Software Standards, Apple Inc.