> potentially not pre-planned by the musician.
>
> Also, check Phil J's summary at the group home page; it reminds us

that

> fractal music was the original heart of the matter here, but also

embraces

> other algorithmic music.
>
> [snip]
> > I've been 'tinkering' with a free VST plug-in 'Elottronix' and it

is

> > a wonderful emulation of Robert Fripp's 'Frippatronix' - a very
> > sophisticated delay, feedback and panning system.
>
> I've tried that one - it's great isn't it! It's one of those

devices you

> only have to fiddle witrh a few minutes before you think, boy, I

could do my

> next couple of albums right here!
>
> Re: DaveVD's idea of recording technique threads; I love the idea

myself.

> It's great to have a group of friendly colleagues to bring up such

issues

> with.
>
> Greets to all,
> Martin
> Just moved, and in need of a long rest

marcf28

Hi Dave, Well, I ve done a kind of first draft with the Elottronix plug-in. It is quite gloomy , so I m not sure whether to upload it or not. I hijacked a

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Hi Dave,

Well, I've done a kind of first draft with the 'Elottronix' plug-in.
It is quite 'gloomy', so I'm not sure whether to upload it or not. I
hijacked a friend's system for an evening - he has 'Fruity Loops', so
he now has a new plug-in to play with too :)

It works great in FL if you slow the bpm down to about 60 and include
an empty 'dummy' pattern to allow for eventual fade-outs.

> Marc,
> Amazing coincidence,,, I just downloaded the same thing. I have a
> cheap little modeling amp (Johnson J-station) that does sort of the
> same thing, but I've had trouble using it, as the delay timing is
> tricky on it. I don't know what the "official requirements" under
> algorithmic music would be, but as you all are aware, I'm an
> everything but the kitchen sink kind of person (and I'm working on
> the kitchen sink). I was thinking of trying it with a single

channel,

> but slowing the tempo down to a near crawl, thus spacing the notes
> out a bit, then using it. Then of course, finding a piece to use it
> in...... I'm a Fripp fiend from waaaaay back, & King Crimson always
> seemed a bit algorythmic/fractal anyway.
> What ever you figure out, please let me know.
> One thing I really love about this group & it's artist is the vast
> difference in theories & "Ears". Not everyone is a purist, but that
> seems quite already with everyone in general. I hope that the
> conversations & thread will continue to branch out into different
> aspects of music & recording. It all relates back to what we're
> trying to accomplish. I would like to propose a side-thread, or
> series of documents from a variety of participants, dealing

strictly

> with recoding & recording techniques, which would/should prove
> beneficial to all, especially those moving from a strictly general
> midi environment to the variety of multi channel/track software
> available. With all the free or cheap VSTi stuff out there, it

seems

> inevitable.
> Anyone game?
>
> Dave
>
> By the way - a very happy (though belated) thanksgiving to all. I
> would have written yesterday, but I was in a turkey induced

coma......

>
> --- In cnfractal_music@yahoogroups.com, "marcf28" <marc@f...> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I've been 'tinkering' with a free VST plug-in 'Elottronix' and it
> is
> > a wonderful emulation of Robert Fripp's 'Frippatronix' - a very
> > sophisticated delay, feedback and panning system. Fans of Robert
> > Fripp will know that he (sometimes with Eno) could generate

entire

> > albums using this set up and a handful of simple phrases.
> >
> > With my on(and on)going Algomusical Offering project, I've been
> > playing around with the theme from the Bach work with some
> > interesting results, but a question struck me - is this really
> > algorithmic music? Personally, I think it is, but would be a
> > borderline case. So I wondered what the group's definition of

what

> > constitutes algorithmic music is. I realise that this is a topic
> > that has probably come up before, but thought I'd ask anyway.
> >
> > I'm not even sure how I'm going to realise the music, as

Elottronix

> > doesn't seem to work in SynthEdit (at least on my humble system).
> It
> > does work in 'Psycle' however, and it may just be possible to
> record
> > the sequence and render straight to wave there.
> >
> > All the best,
> > Marc

Dave Van Dyke

I honestly haven t had much time to do more than an initial fiddle with it. It really seems powerfull, or at least a very distinctive flavor to use. I had

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I honestly haven't had much time to do more than an initial fiddle
with it. It really seems powerfull, or at least a very
distinctive "flavor" to use.
I had thought about slowing down the bpm on a piece to use it on. It
makes more sense to use it in a minimalistic way. I was thinking of
using the same settings for 2 different tracks & patches & cross
fading back and forth (randomly, of course) between them - treating
them as a single point source sound. That might give an interesting
edge to it..

I'll try to make some time this weekend to play & I'll let you know.
I do want to hear the piece you're working on...

Dave

--- In cnfractal_music@yahoogroups.com, "marcf28" <marc@f...> wrote:
> Hi Dave,
>
> Well, I've done a kind of first draft with the 'Elottronix' plug-
in.
> It is quite 'gloomy', so I'm not sure whether to upload it or not.
I
> hijacked a friend's system for an evening - he has 'Fruity Loops',
so
> he now has a new plug-in to play with too :)
>
> It works great in FL if you slow the bpm down to about 60 and
include
> an empty 'dummy' pattern to allow for eventual fade-outs.
>
> How are you getting on with it?
>
> All the best,
> Marc
> --- In cnfractal_music@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Van Dyke"
> <dvandyke@s...> wrote:
> > Marc,
> > Amazing coincidence,,, I just downloaded the same thing. I have a
> > cheap little modeling amp (Johnson J-station) that does sort of
the
> > same thing, but I've had trouble using it, as the delay timing is
> > tricky on it. I don't know what the "official requirements" under
> > algorithmic music would be, but as you all are aware, I'm an
> > everything but the kitchen sink kind of person (and I'm working
on
> > the kitchen sink). I was thinking of trying it with a single
> channel,
> > but slowing the tempo down to a near crawl, thus spacing the
notes
> > out a bit, then using it. Then of course, finding a piece to use
it
> > in...... I'm a Fripp fiend from waaaaay back, & King Crimson
always
> > seemed a bit algorythmic/fractal anyway.
> > What ever you figure out, please let me know.
> > One thing I really love about this group & it's artist is the
vast
> > difference in theories & "Ears". Not everyone is a purist, but
that
> > seems quite already with everyone in general. I hope that the
> > conversations & thread will continue to branch out into different
> > aspects of music & recording. It all relates back to what we're
> > trying to accomplish. I would like to propose a side-thread, or
> > series of documents from a variety of participants, dealing
> strictly
> > with recoding & recording techniques, which would/should prove
> > beneficial to all, especially those moving from a strictly
general
> > midi environment to the variety of multi channel/track software
> > available. With all the free or cheap VSTi stuff out there, it
> seems
> > inevitable.
> > Anyone game?
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > By the way - a very happy (though belated) thanksgiving to all. I
> > would have written yesterday, but I was in a turkey induced
> coma......
> >
> > --- In cnfractal_music@yahoogroups.com, "marcf28" <marc@f...>
wrote:
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I've been 'tinkering' with a free VST plug-in 'Elottronix' and
it
> > is
> > > a wonderful emulation of Robert Fripp's 'Frippatronix' - a very
> > > sophisticated delay, feedback and panning system. Fans of
Robert
> > > Fripp will know that he (sometimes with Eno) could generate
> entire
> > > albums using this set up and a handful of simple phrases.
> > >
> > > With my on(and on)going Algomusical Offering project, I've been
> > > playing around with the theme from the Bach work with some
> > > interesting results, but a question struck me - is this really
> > > algorithmic music? Personally, I think it is, but would be a
> > > borderline case. So I wondered what the group's definition of
> what
> > > constitutes algorithmic music is. I realise that this is a
topic
> > > that has probably come up before, but thought I'd ask anyway.
> > >
> > > I'm not even sure how I'm going to realise the music, as
> Elottronix
> > > doesn't seem to work in SynthEdit (at least on my humble
system).
> > It
> > > does work in 'Psycle' however, and it may just be possible to
> > record
> > > the sequence and render straight to wave there.
> > >
> > > All the best,
> > > Marc

marcf28

Hi Dave and all, Well, I ve uploaded the track to the Warehouse: http://www.artsong.org/cnf/Warehouse/675141_dark_discipline.mp3 I did it for the Algomusical

I did it for the Algomusical Offering set, but I'm not sure whether
it will be included or not. It is 'scary movie' stuff.

I used Timidity++ to make a cello sample and a flute sample. The
original theme was split between them and one of the string synths
in 'Fruity Loops'. Because the theme itself is very chromatic, there
are passages where the layering produces some quite
piercing 'clusters'. I repeated the theme patterns once, then
filtered it out so that the key shifted from C Minor to Eb Major. I
also used the 'musication' of Bach's name (in German notation
B-A-C-H becomes Bb-A-C-Bnat). The modulated sounds at the end were
done by combining the first and second phrases of the theme in
the 'LogiMod' module in 'SynthEdit'.

> I honestly haven't had much time to do more than an initial fiddle
> with it. It really seems powerfull, or at least a very
> distinctive "flavor" to use.
> I had thought about slowing down the bpm on a piece to use it on.

It

> makes more sense to use it in a minimalistic way. I was thinking of
> using the same settings for 2 different tracks & patches & cross
> fading back and forth (randomly, of course) between them - treating
> them as a single point source sound. That might give an interesting
> edge to it..
>
> I'll try to make some time this weekend to play & I'll let you

know.

> I do want to hear the piece you're working on...
>
>
> Dave
> --- In cnfractal_music@yahoogroups.com, "marcf28" <marc@f...> wrote:
> > Hi Dave,
> >
> > Well, I've done a kind of first draft with the 'Elottronix' plug-
> in.
> > It is quite 'gloomy', so I'm not sure whether to upload it or

not.

> I
> > hijacked a friend's system for an evening - he has 'Fruity

Loops',

> so
> > he now has a new plug-in to play with too :)
> >
> > It works great in FL if you slow the bpm down to about 60 and
> include
> > an empty 'dummy' pattern to allow for eventual fade-outs.
> >
> > How are you getting on with it?
> >
> > All the best,
> > Marc
> > --- In cnfractal_music@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Van Dyke"
> > <dvandyke@s...> wrote:
> > > Marc,
> > > Amazing coincidence,,, I just downloaded the same thing. I have

a

> > > cheap little modeling amp (Johnson J-station) that does sort of
> the
> > > same thing, but I've had trouble using it, as the delay timing

is

> > > tricky on it. I don't know what the "official requirements"

under

> > > algorithmic music would be, but as you all are aware, I'm an
> > > everything but the kitchen sink kind of person (and I'm working
> on
> > > the kitchen sink). I was thinking of trying it with a single
> > channel,
> > > but slowing the tempo down to a near crawl, thus spacing the
> notes
> > > out a bit, then using it. Then of course, finding a piece to

> > > > playing around with the theme from the Bach work with some
> > > > interesting results, but a question struck me - is this

really

> > > > algorithmic music? Personally, I think it is, but would be a
> > > > borderline case. So I wondered what the group's definition of
> > what
> > > > constitutes algorithmic music is. I realise that this is a
> topic
> > > > that has probably come up before, but thought I'd ask anyway.
> > > >
> > > > I'm not even sure how I'm going to realise the music, as
> > Elottronix
> > > > doesn't seem to work in SynthEdit (at least on my humble
> system).
> > > It
> > > > does work in 'Psycle' however, and it may just be possible to
> > > record
> > > > the sequence and render straight to wave there.
> > > >
> > > > All the best,
> > > > Marc

Tim Conrardy

... Funny you should mention FL studio. I just got it to beta-test and create presets for a new plugin for it called Sytrus: a 6 OP/ Osc FM/ Analog/ Additive

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>I used Timidity++ to make a cello sample and a flute sample. The
>original theme was split between them and one of the string synths
>in 'Fruity Loops'.> > I
> > > hijacked a friend's system for an evening - he has 'Fruity
>Loops',
> > so
> > > he now has a new plug-in to play with too :)
> > >
> > > It works great in FL if you slow the bpm down to about 60 and
> > include
> > > an empty 'dummy' pattern to allow for eventual fade-outs.

Funny you should mention FL studio. I just got it to beta-test and create
presets for a new plugin for it called Sytrus: a 6 OP/ Osc FM/ Analog/
Additive combo with 3 filters and 5 envelope types for each OP/ OSC with an
effects section. Quite impressive. I just created 100 presets for it and
should be out before the end of this month.

FL has a lot a algorithmic stuff in it to, like it's randomizing
elements.Still working with it.

TimC

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marcf28

Hi Tim and all, Which version is FL up to now? I think the one I was using was version 3. I didn t have time to go into any more than the basics of what I

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Hi Tim and all,

Which version is FL up to now? I think the one I was using was
version 3. I didn't have time to go into any more than the basics of
what I needed to know for what was essentially a very 'minimal'
sequence and how to work with some effects.

>
>
> >I used Timidity++ to make a cello sample and a flute sample. The
> >original theme was split between them and one of the string synths
> >in 'Fruity Loops'.> > I
> > > > hijacked a friend's system for an evening - he has 'Fruity
> >Loops',
> > > so
> > > > he now has a new plug-in to play with too :)
> > > >
> > > > It works great in FL if you slow the bpm down to about 60 and
> > > include
> > > > an empty 'dummy' pattern to allow for eventual fade-outs.
>
>
> Funny you should mention FL studio. I just got it to beta-test and

create

> presets for a new plugin for it called Sytrus: a 6 OP/ Osc FM/

Analog/

> Additive combo with 3 filters and 5 envelope types for each OP/ OSC

with an

> effects section. Quite impressive. I just created 100 presets for

it and

> should be out before the end of this month.
>
> FL has a lot a algorithmic stuff in it to, like it's randomizing
> elements.Still working with it.
>
> TimC
>
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