Well you can't say Jim Carrey Riddler was completely off, he paid tribute to the Frank Gorshin version of the charecter which wasnt off either. its one way to look at the Riddler not the only way but one way. Penguin was crap, i love Burgess Meredith as an actor but overacting isn't always fun and Tim Burton sodomized the Penguin in Batman Returns (enjoyable film to watch on Christmas but the characters were raped).