Ontheball wrote:
What do you expect the dog to do if it is struck, albeit accidentally. Should have looked where he was gloing!

Should have been muzzled - no ifs, no buts…

The guy was in his 70's, you have to make allowances…could just have easily been a toddler.

Muzzle it or lose it when it bites, simple as.

[quote][p][bold]Ontheball[/bold] wrote:
What do you expect the dog to do if it is struck, albeit accidentally. Should have looked where he was gloing![/p][/quote]Should have been muzzled - no ifs, no buts…
The guy was in his 70's, you have to make allowances…could just have easily been a toddler.
Muzzle it or lose it when it bites, simple as.mike...

Noone is saying it is the dogs fault but the guy was in his 70's…he might have been physically fit etc or he might have had trouble walking, slow reflexes, partially blind etc…

Dog owners need to be responsible. If i keep goldfish, i don't need to muzzle them. If i keep hamsters, i don't need to muzzle them. If i keep a tortoise, i don't need to muzzle it.

If i keep a dog (especially this one as it is the size of a small horse!) then i have to accept it has the capability of biting others, even killing others. It might not be the dogs fault but the risk is there.

We drive cars and we have insurance, the accident might not be our fault but we have to have it all the same.

If you want a dog, muzzle it in public. You are protecting others AND protecting the dog. There are plenty of places to take the muzzle off etc but at a classic car show…with crowds of people…toddlers…
old people…the dog was probably already stressed.

I don't blame the dog, i blame the owners. But in the end the dog pays the price. Dog owners should be just as angry at these jerks as anyone else!

Noone is saying it is the dogs fault but the guy was in his 70's…he might have been physically fit etc or he might have had trouble walking, slow reflexes, partially blind etc…
Dog owners need to be responsible. If i keep goldfish, i don't need to muzzle them. If i keep hamsters, i don't need to muzzle them. If i keep a tortoise, i don't need to muzzle it.
If i keep a dog (especially this one as it is the size of a small horse!) then i have to accept it has the capability of biting others, even killing others. It might not be the dogs fault but the risk is there.
We drive cars and we have insurance, the accident might not be our fault but we have to have it all the same.
If you want a dog, muzzle it in public. You are protecting others AND protecting the dog. There are plenty of places to take the muzzle off etc but at a classic car show…with crowds of people…toddlers…
old people…the dog was probably already stressed.
I don't blame the dog, i blame the owners. But in the end the dog pays the price. Dog owners should be just as angry at these jerks as anyone else!mike...

Ontheball wrote:
What do you expect the dog to do if it is struck, albeit accidentally. Should have looked where he was gloing!

Should have been muzzled - no ifs, no buts…

The guy was in his 70's, you have to make allowances…could just have easily been a toddler.

Muzzle it or lose it when it bites, simple as.

Don't be so ridiculous. If someone blundered into you or your loved one hard enough to fall over you I'm sure you'd retaliate either verbally or physically. This dog may be a perfectly behaved family pet that's been 'assaulted' as far as it's concerned and had a quick nip to say watch out. We don't know the full facts so don't jump to conclusions. All dogs are capable of defending themselves so should they all be muzzled? If so then all people are capable of defending ourselves so should we all wear straight jackets?

[quote][p][bold]mike...[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Ontheball[/bold] wrote:
What do you expect the dog to do if it is struck, albeit accidentally. Should have looked where he was gloing![/p][/quote]Should have been muzzled - no ifs, no buts…
The guy was in his 70's, you have to make allowances…could just have easily been a toddler.
Muzzle it or lose it when it bites, simple as.[/p][/quote]Don't be so ridiculous. If someone blundered into you or your loved one hard enough to fall over you I'm sure you'd retaliate either verbally or physically. This dog may be a perfectly behaved family pet that's been 'assaulted' as far as it's concerned and had a quick nip to say watch out. We don't know the full facts so don't jump to conclusions. All dogs are capable of defending themselves so should they all be muzzled? If so then all people are capable of defending ourselves so should we all wear straight jackets?Fnagster

Agree with the above. What about people that have children at school that bite, do we muzzle them. I don't believe it's also ac simple as saying muzzle all dogs. As said this is a big dog and not used to have people not noticing him so would have thought It was being kicked So defended itself. Can you blame the dog, no, do you blame the owner, no if there dog had never had some one walk into it before like most in his breed his a lovely dosile animal, do you blame the old boy for being clumsy, no, it's an accident, these things happen.
I'm sure the police will just have to carry out an inspection and will advise it to be muzzled in thd future.

Agree with the above. What about people that have children at school that bite, do we muzzle them. I don't believe it's also ac simple as saying muzzle all dogs. As said this is a big dog and not used to have people not noticing him so would have thought It was being kicked So defended itself. Can you blame the dog, no, do you blame the owner, no if there dog had never had some one walk into it before like most in his breed his a lovely dosile animal, do you blame the old boy for being clumsy, no, it's an accident, these things happen.
I'm sure the police will just have to carry out an inspection and will advise it to be muzzled in thd future.angryman!!!

You're taking it to extremes…no, people don't have to wear straight jackets. However people can be punished.

When a dog attacks, it is often also punished. With death.

I am an animal lover, and my post emphasised it is also for the dogs protection. We don't know the facts you're right but there is a good chance that the dog could well be put down now because its owners didn't muzzle it. I equally said there are plenty of places you could take it off…but in that sort of an environment…crowds
…noise (it was a car show after all)…all very unfamiliar to the dog…i would imagine it was on edge so getting bumped into which it might ordinarily have not retaliated to it took as an attack.

Muzzling is mandatory in many countries and so dogs don't get put down for "defending itself" as you put it. It should be here. Agree or disagree, everyone is entitled to their opinion. What they're not entitled to is to whine when the state orders a dog to be put down when it bites someone (if that's what happens)

You're taking it to extremes…no, people don't have to wear straight jackets. However people can be punished.
When a dog attacks, it is often also punished. With death.
I am an animal lover, and my post emphasised it is also for the dogs protection. We don't know the facts you're right but there is a good chance that the dog could well be put down now because its owners didn't muzzle it. I equally said there are plenty of places you could take it off…but in that sort of an environment…crowds
…noise (it was a car show after all)…all very unfamiliar to the dog…i would imagine it was on edge so getting bumped into which it might ordinarily have not retaliated to it took as an attack.
Muzzling is mandatory in many countries and so dogs don't get put down for "defending itself" as you put it. It should be here. Agree or disagree, everyone is entitled to their opinion. What they're not entitled to is to whine when the state orders a dog to be put down when it bites someone (if that's what happens)mike...

angryman!!! wrote:
Agree with the above. What about people that have children at school that bite, do we muzzle them. I don't believe it's also ac simple as saying muzzle all dogs. As said this is a big dog and not used to have people not noticing him so would have thought It was being kicked So defended itself. Can you blame the dog, no, do you blame the owner, no if there dog had never had some one walk into it before like most in his breed his a lovely dosile animal, do you blame the old boy for being clumsy, no, it's an accident, these things happen.
I'm sure the police will just have to carry out an inspection and will advise it to be muzzled in thd future.

Ok…now imagine it's not an old man and it was a toddler…your toddler…the dog bit his or her face and they are now scarred for life.

"Sorry officer" - Rex is ordinarily such a docile animal…

"Not to worry Sir, just an accident - muzzle it in future"….

I can't see you living with that?

[quote][p][bold]angryman!!![/bold] wrote:
Agree with the above. What about people that have children at school that bite, do we muzzle them. I don't believe it's also ac simple as saying muzzle all dogs. As said this is a big dog and not used to have people not noticing him so would have thought It was being kicked So defended itself. Can you blame the dog, no, do you blame the owner, no if there dog had never had some one walk into it before like most in his breed his a lovely dosile animal, do you blame the old boy for being clumsy, no, it's an accident, these things happen.
I'm sure the police will just have to carry out an inspection and will advise it to be muzzled in thd future.[/p][/quote]Ok…now imagine it's not an old man and it was a toddler…your toddler…the dog bit his or her face and they are now scarred for life.
"Sorry officer" - Rex is ordinarily such a docile animal…
"Not to worry Sir, just an accident - muzzle it in future"….
I can't see you living with that?mike...

mike... wrote:
You're taking it to extremes…no, people don't have to wear straight jackets. However people can be punished.

When a dog attacks, it is often also punished. With death.

I am an animal lover, and my post emphasised it is also for the dogs protection. We don't know the facts you're right but there is a good chance that the dog could well be put down now because its owners didn't muzzle it. I equally said there are plenty of places you could take it off…but in that sort of an environment…crowds

…noise (it was a car show after all)…all very unfamiliar to the dog…i would imagine it was on edge so getting bumped into which it might ordinarily have not retaliated to it took as an attack.

Muzzling is mandatory in many countries and so dogs don't get put down for &quot;defending itself" as you put it. It should be here. Agree or disagree, everyone is entitled to their opinion. What they're not entitled to is to whine when the state orders a dog to be put down when it bites someone (if that's what happens)

I agree that dogs with aggressive tendencies should be muzzled but if I muzzled my little Jack Russell every time I went out everyone would think he was aggressive and give him a wide berth. He would also feel restricted when interacting with other dogs which would affect his behaviour. Finally anyone with children would instantly warn them to stay away from a muzzled dog which could lead to an inherent fear of man's best friend.

[quote][p][bold]mike...[/bold] wrote:
You're taking it to extremes…no, people don't have to wear straight jackets. However people can be punished.
When a dog attacks, it is often also punished. With death.
I am an animal lover, and my post emphasised it is also for the dogs protection. We don't know the facts you're right but there is a good chance that the dog could well be put down now because its owners didn't muzzle it. I equally said there are plenty of places you could take it off…but in that sort of an environment…crowds
…noise (it was a car show after all)…all very unfamiliar to the dog…i would imagine it was on edge so getting bumped into which it might ordinarily have not retaliated to it took as an attack.
Muzzling is mandatory in many countries and so dogs don't get put down for "defending itself" as you put it. It should be here. Agree or disagree, everyone is entitled to their opinion. What they're not entitled to is to whine when the state orders a dog to be put down when it bites someone (if that's what happens)[/p][/quote]I agree that dogs with aggressive tendencies should be muzzled but if I muzzled my little Jack Russell every time I went out everyone would think he was aggressive and give him a wide berth. He would also feel restricted when interacting with other dogs which would affect his behaviour. Finally anyone with children would instantly warn them to stay away from a muzzled dog which could lead to an inherent fear of man's best friend.Fnagster

blockpaver wrote:
One bite and a dog gets the “bullet“, next time it could rip a child’s head off.

It is surely much better to muzzle all dogs, that way no dog gets the bullet, no child is hurt, and nobody need be scared of a muzzled dog, which after all can't bite.

[quote][p][bold]blockpaver[/bold] wrote:
One bite and a dog gets the “bullet“, next time it could rip a child’s head off.[/p][/quote]It is surely much better to muzzle all dogs, that way no dog gets the bullet, no child is hurt, and nobody need be scared of a muzzled dog, which after all can't bite.Boris

I have been attacked by domestic dogs twice, on one occasion quite seriously and i ended up in hospital in my younger days of course.
On both occasions the owners stated "It was only a nip". The dogs have more brains than the owners and most of the time I see dogs being walked by females, who seem to have been on the Pickled Onions, all day. (for those who dont know the pun, pickled onions where once thought to destroy brain cells):
All dogs need to be muzzled, and maybe the same fate should befall the owners as well as the dogs especially when they kill a young child.
Some dog variants are lethal weapons. I am NOT stating its the dogs fault having worked with attack dogs I understand some of the dog psyche.
What I am concerned about is the attitude of owners, some of them who are thick as two short planks.
Using a dog as a trophy to display you are a hard-man or for protection and security to make a point to others, is a THICK way to go about your life and pet ownership.
Personally any dog who bit me at a car show at that age, would have got a boot in the mouth little woof woof or not.
If you need to defend yourself against a dog attacking you and have no alternative than to stay in position, a straight hand karate chop to the bridge of the nose or around the carotid artery in the throat area suffices. Ha So !

I have been attacked by domestic dogs twice, on one occasion quite seriously and i ended up in hospital in my younger days of course.
On both occasions the owners stated "It was only a nip". The dogs have more brains than the owners and most of the time I see dogs being walked by females, who seem to have been on the Pickled Onions, all day. (for those who dont know the pun, pickled onions where once thought to destroy brain cells):
All dogs need to be muzzled, and maybe the same fate should befall the owners as well as the dogs especially when they kill a young child.
Some dog variants are lethal weapons. I am NOT stating its the dogs fault having worked with attack dogs I understand some of the dog psyche.
What I am concerned about is the attitude of owners, some of them who are thick as two short planks.
Using a dog as a trophy to display you are a hard-man or for protection and security to make a point to others, is a THICK way to go about your life and pet ownership.
Personally any dog who bit me at a car show at that age, would have got a boot in the mouth little woof woof or not.
If you need to defend yourself against a dog attacking you and have no alternative than to stay in position, a straight hand karate chop to the bridge of the nose or around the carotid artery in the throat area suffices. Ha So !The Six Million Dollar Man*

As Six Million Dollar Man says, it is amazing how many dog owners excuse their dog's biting by saying it was 'only a nip'. Why does the Classic Car Show allow dogs in anyway? The dogs get nothing out of it and are just a damned nuisance to everyone else. People are understandably looking at the Classic Cars (which is what they came to do) and don't expect to have to look out for animals to trip over. That the dog bit him is inexcusable. Note to Classic Car Show organisers: PLEASE BAN DOGS AS FROM NEXT YEAR. A lot of people don't like them and they have no place at an event like this.

As Six Million Dollar Man says, it is amazing how many dog owners excuse their dog's biting by saying it was 'only a nip'. Why does the Classic Car Show allow dogs in anyway? The dogs get nothing out of it and are just a damned nuisance to everyone else. People are understandably looking at the Classic Cars (which is what they came to do) and don't expect to have to look out for animals to trip over. That the dog bit him is inexcusable. Note to Classic Car Show organisers: PLEASE BAN DOGS AS FROM NEXT YEAR. A lot of people don't like them and they have no place at an event like this.Misty4

Surely the point is, the owners of the dog were taking into an unsuitable environment which the dog probably would not enjoy. A crowded place such as a popular exhibition is no place to "walk" the dog.
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Dog owners tend to be such idiots in these situations, imagining that their precious pet has to go everywhere with them, or it will feel unloved! Or is it that they want to go to the exhibition, and also have to walk the dog, so they lazily combine the two activities.
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Maybe if the elderly gentleman had not had the misfortune to trip over the animal - and who can say it was visible in such a crowd? - then the dog would have reacted to some other imagined attack anyway. The poor creature was probably very fed up and feeling threatened by the mass of legs around it.
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Get some sense, dog owners! Your pets are not humans, they do not need the same "recreations" as you, and probably love a bit of quiet down-time away from you and your smothering.

Surely the point is, the owners of the dog were taking into an unsuitable environment which the dog probably would not enjoy. A crowded place such as a popular exhibition is no place to "walk" the dog.
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Dog owners tend to be such idiots in these situations, imagining that their precious pet has to go everywhere with them, or it will feel unloved! Or is it that they want to go to the exhibition, and also have to walk the dog, so they lazily combine the two activities.
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Maybe if the elderly gentleman had not had the misfortune to trip over the animal - and who can say it was visible in such a crowd? - then the dog would have reacted to some other imagined attack anyway. The poor creature was probably very fed up and feeling threatened by the mass of legs around it.
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Get some sense, dog owners! Your pets are not humans, they do not need the same "recreations" as you, and probably love a bit of quiet down-time away from you and your smothering.rhetoric

angryman!!! wrote:
Agree with the above. What about people that have children at school that bite, do we muzzle them. I don't believe it's also ac simple as saying muzzle all dogs. As said this is a big dog and not used to have people not noticing him so would have thought It was being kicked So defended itself. Can you blame the dog, no, do you blame the owner, no if there dog had never had some one walk into it before like most in his breed his a lovely dosile animal, do you blame the old boy for being clumsy, no, it's an accident, these things happen.
I'm sure the police will just have to carry out an inspection and will advise it to be muzzled in thd future.

You blame the Classic Car Show organisers for allowing dogs in and the owners for not having the dog muzzled in public, not keeping it out of the way of other people and not keeping an eye on it. When I go to this event, I go to see the Classic Cars, not to be bothered by people's nuisance pets (for pets read dogs) or to trip over them (which, as people are looking at the cars, is an accident waiting to happen). As for your ridiculous argument about children biting at school, when did you last see a child's face hanging off after being bitten by another child?

[quote][p][bold]angryman!!![/bold] wrote:
Agree with the above. What about people that have children at school that bite, do we muzzle them. I don't believe it's also ac simple as saying muzzle all dogs. As said this is a big dog and not used to have people not noticing him so would have thought It was being kicked So defended itself. Can you blame the dog, no, do you blame the owner, no if there dog had never had some one walk into it before like most in his breed his a lovely dosile animal, do you blame the old boy for being clumsy, no, it's an accident, these things happen.
I'm sure the police will just have to carry out an inspection and will advise it to be muzzled in thd future.[/p][/quote]You blame the Classic Car Show organisers for allowing dogs in and the owners for not having the dog muzzled in public, not keeping it out of the way of other people and not keeping an eye on it. When I go to this event, I go to see the Classic Cars, not to be bothered by people's nuisance pets (for pets read dogs) or to trip over them (which, as people are looking at the cars, is an accident waiting to happen). As for your ridiculous argument about children biting at school, when did you last see a child's face hanging off after being bitten by another child?Misty4

Mike said he wouldn't have to muzzle a hamster. Ha! Most people - and children, especially - are far more likely to be bitten by a hamster than by a dog. And although a hamster bite might seem superficial, it's far more likely to cause an infection.
Mind you, I've been bitten by dogs, cats and rodents, and pecked by a parrot. The parrot injury was the most painful.

Mike said he wouldn't have to muzzle a hamster. Ha! Most people - and children, especially - are far more likely to be bitten by a hamster than by a dog. And although a hamster bite might seem superficial, it's far more likely to cause an infection.
Mind you, I've been bitten by dogs, cats and rodents, and pecked by a parrot. The parrot injury was the most painful.cynicalsubber

It's just a description of the victim, saying that he's 70. It is relevant, however, as anyone of that age will take longer to recover from an injury in most cases.
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In the event of a prolonged attack, it might also be more difficult for an older person to fight off the dog.

It's just a description of the victim, saying that he's 70. It is relevant, however, as anyone of that age will take longer to recover from an injury in most cases.
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In the event of a prolonged attack, it might also be more difficult for an older person to fight off the dog.rhetoric

rhetoric wrote:
It's just a description of the victim, saying that he's 70. It is relevant, however, as anyone of that age will take longer to recover from an injury in most cases.
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In the event of a prolonged attack, it might also be more difficult for an older person to fight off the dog.

Since when has 70 been old? That is soon to be normal retirement age...

[quote][p][bold]rhetoric[/bold] wrote:
It's just a description of the victim, saying that he's 70. It is relevant, however, as anyone of that age will take longer to recover from an injury in most cases.
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In the event of a prolonged attack, it might also be more difficult for an older person to fight off the dog.[/p][/quote]Since when has 70 been old? That is soon to be normal retirement age...Catchedicam

You only have to walk down the street and get tangled up in these "extending dog-leads" to know how irresponsible and thoughtless some dog owners can be. The man had every right to be there - it was a Classic Car Show. We don't know the circumstances, he may have been looking at a car and stepped backwards. The important point is, if dog owners insist on taking their pets to public venues the dogs should be muzzled. Some dog owners need to behave more responsibly.

You only have to walk down the street and get tangled up in these "extending dog-leads" to know how irresponsible and thoughtless some dog owners can be. The man had every right to be there - it was a Classic Car Show. We don't know the circumstances, he may have been looking at a car and stepped backwards. The important point is, if dog owners insist on taking their pets to public venues the dogs should be muzzled. Some dog owners need to behave more responsibly.Dave Bruce

Any dog that attacks a person in public, simply for tripping over it accidently, should be put down. It's clearly a danger to the public.

And any dog owner who lets it's animal foul in a public place and doesn't pick up after it should also be put down!

Any dog that attacks a person in public, simply for tripping over it accidently, should be put down. It's clearly a danger to the public.
And any dog owner who lets it's animal foul in a public place and doesn't pick up after it should also be put down!Ritchie_Hicks