Similarities Between Bush & Obama.

Wrong, Bush was below Yale standards - his father bought him a studentship.

Obama earned his.

Research

But we decide which is right And which is an illusion. - from the poem Late Lament by Graeme Edge

This is a cached excerpt from a now closed forum on MSNBC:

Election '08: Obama needed help getting into Harvard Law School. He got it from a disciple of Saul Alinsky who shared the socialist agitator's
belief in the radical change the young community organizer could embrace.

Obama doesn't talk much about his years at Columbia University and Harvard Law other than he attended both and was elected president of the Harvard
Law Review. The reason may be his records at both were, to say the least, undistinguished.

According to the New York Sun, university spokesman Brian Connolly confirmed that Obama graduated from Columbia in 1983 with a major in political
science but without honors. What his grades were we do not know. As the New York Times reported, "Obama declined repeated requests to talk about his
New York years, release his Columbia transcript or identify even a single fellow student co-worker, roommate or friend from those years." - unknown
author

It is very difficult to find information on our "man of mystery" president. And so I apologize for not having more widely accepted sources but I
wouldn't expect that the information we are interested in would be allowed to be distributed by the MSM. That said, there are possibilities like this
from the Neocon Latina blogsite:

Having established that Al-Mansour wanted Obama to get into Harvard Law, the next logical questions are: (i) who is Khalid Al-Mansour? and (ii) why
did he want so badly for Obama to be accepted to Harvard Law?

Originally posted by loam
Let's not forget, the peril is not just Obama. It's huge portions of our population that have plain and simple lost their minds. That is why there
is no real material difference in the two men.

Change predominantly comes from the people and not from a single Person who happens to be the President.

The mere fact that people are making the President responsible for all that happens in society is indicative of severe reality impairment, imo. In
that sense I agree with your post.

Frank Marshall Davis Obama claimed to have attended Columbia University in New York City from 1980 to 1983, where he majored in political science with
a specialization in international relations. His mentor or guru was the right wing Russophobe, Zbigniew Brzezinski (born 1928), who was a professor
in the school at that time. Brzezinski was national security adviser during the Presidency of Jimmy Carter from 1977 to 1981. - Niall Kilkenny on
reformation.org

Zbigniew Brzezinski, there from the start, the apple doesn't fall far from the treason.

But the Communist Party connection through Davis is even more ominous. Decades ago, the CPUSA had tens of thousands of members, some of them covert
agents who had penetrated the U.S. Government. It received secret subsidies from the old Soviet Union.

You won't find any of this discussed in the David Mendell book, Obama: From Promise to Power. It is typical of the superficial biographies of Obama
now on the market. Secret smoking seems to be Obama's most controversial activity. At best, Mendell and the liberal media describe Obama as
"left-leaning."

But you will find it briefly discussed, sort of, in Obama's own book, Dreams From My Father. He writes about "a poet named Frank," who visited them
in Hawaii, read poetry, and was full of "hard-earned knowledge" and advice. Who was Frank? Obama only says that he had "some modest notoriety
once," was "a contemporary of Richard Wright and Langston Hughes during his years in Chicago..." but was now "pushing eighty." He writes about
"Frank and his old Black Power dashiki self" giving him advice before he left for Occidental College in 1979 at the age of 18.

This "Frank" is none other than Frank Marshall Davis, the black communist writer now considered by some to be in the same category of prominence as
Maya Angelou and Alice Walker. In the summer/fall 2003 issue of African American Review, James A. Miller of George Washington University reviews a
book by John Edgar Tidwell, a professor at the University of Kansas, about Davis's career, and notes, "In Davis's case, his political commitments
led him to join the American Communist Party during the middle of World War II-even though he never publicly admitted his Party membership." Tidwell
is an expert on the life and writings of Davis.

Is it possible that Obama did not know who Davis was when he wrote his book, Dreams From My Father, first published in 1995? That's not plausible
since Obama refers to him as a contemporary of Richard Wright and Langston Hughes and says he saw a book of his black poetry.

The communists knew who "Frank" was, and they know who Obama is. In fact, one academic who travels in communist circles understands the significance
of the Davis-Obama relationship. - Cliff Kincaid, AIM columnist

What would have been the harm of Obama clearly identifying Davis in "Dreams From My Father"? I think we can make some educated guesses at the answer
and sometimes humans cannot help themselves and thus the mention of "Frank" at all by Barrack. The word is hubris and both Bush and Obama have
exhibited this arrogant attitude throughout their lives. One due to his genetic good fortune and the other due to his seeming genetic misfortune.
Americans voted for Obama out of guilt and the illusion he was the anti-Bush. How many 48 year-olds have the chutzpah to write auto-biographies?

Originally posted by OmegaPoint
The American people were not only abused, they were MURDERED, by the 1000's, in order to forwad the Bush-Cheney agenda, already tucked in Cheney's
briefcase even while they were awaiting the decision of the Supreme Court.

Yes, MURDERED.

Sorry, I dont subscribe to wahabist/jihadist hate-propaganda masking as "conspiracy-theories".

I would have prefered no war, but to go as far as calling those with a different opinion/view (namely the view of the necessity for defense)
"murderers" is extremist.

[edit on 7-9-2009 by Skyfloating]

I was referring to September 11th, and the destruction of the twin towers, and offered this link to back up the claim and provide some evidence

But really, when you look at those towers imploding and exploding and plummeting to the ground in little more time than it would take for a safe or a
grand piano to traverse the same distance when dropped through nothing but AIR, it's plainly obvious what took place. And most of the people killed
on 9/11 were killed when those buildings were destroyed.

I see Carter distancing himself from everyone to his right, whom he can't stand...

I see Clinton reflecting upon fun times in the Oval Office...

I see Bush trying to upstage the 'new' guy with a near body tackle of a stance...

I see Obama amazed that he actually managed to get there...

And I see Senior thinking all the same yahoos still work at the White House.

What do you see?

I see much the same. We're talking about body language here. The "four whoresmen" are comfortable with each other. Carter by contrast is and was
not connected, an outsider that slipped through. He was done in, politically speaking, much like JFK and Nixon. I've often said that Carter was a bad
president but a good man. His actions leading to his election and now in private life point to his goodness. I don't agree with all of his views but
I believe his motives were always righteous. I wish I could say that for the others.

Ask someone who has lost a family member in this war if they care if you "misinterpret" someones feelings or not. I don't think it matters. You are
too far removed from the events of the last administration to understand what happened. The bombs didn't drop on your house. Your house wasn't
invaded in the middle of the night. These are the conditions which the Iraqis lived in.

If you understood how that was, you wouldn't be asking.

Now that indeed was a lecture.

Further, I do not understand why you keep responding the way you do. All I was stating was that the internet is quite difficult to convey a message,
without a lot of assumptions being made about the opposing poster. Can you not agree that is is difficult? And that seeing someones face and
expressions while conversing is way more "connective" or natural?

The root of the problem is that you can't see the root of the problem.

It should be expected that we could see different "roots" to the problems, since we are individuals.

You can't see that people died as a result of the previous administration, and that has yet to happen in the current administration. There is no
comparison. That is the fact and nothing you can say will change that.

Oh I cannot see that people died as a result of the last administration? Well, you must know me better than I know me.

Please stop assuming you know me. Thanks.

Besides, people are dying during this administration. Yes, the previous administration effects carry over, but the war is still being waged. Obama
could stop that, why doesn't he?

I do not advocate one side or the other. My standpoint is merely from an empathetic person.

Here is a clue. See how many people die as a result of a president's actions, and that should be an indicator. If it isn't, then it should be. The
next time we are so eager to invade a country, we should learn from past mistakes.

Look. Why were the majority of the American people misled into a war? Due to the revenge attitude of the previous administration after the
9/11 attacks. Then, the previous administration somehow attributed Iraq with WMD's and possible contribution to the 9/11 attacks.

All of this is the act of misleading in my opinion. I hope you can agree with that. So, this right here should show you that the very act
"misleading" can cause a whole slew of troubles, including war. Misleading should be seen as at least a stem of the problem.

So please inform me as to how I am the root of the problem. Me, just me?

We have lobbyists that sway congress, bankers who cause debt, corporations who make slave jobs to pay those debts, government incentives to join the
military, etc.

If anything is the root of the problem, it is the lack of education, critical thinking, and sense of oneness with the earth.

Loam, I think what is hard to grasp for some of us is that the speed of the agenda has changed. Much like a pitcher following a change up low and away
with a fastball under your chin. We might get the perception that Obama is young and vibrant and quick. Thus excusing and accepting the flood of
permanent changes being pushed through. Nothing we're seeing is left to chance. The diversity of issues and the speed with which they are being
addressed is not by chance. Two hundred twenty years in the making, eight years and a few months in the dismantling. I've alluded to it earlier, they
are on the same team.

“I love these members, they get up and say, ‘Read the bill,’” said Conyers. “What good is reading the bill if it’s a thousand pages and
you don’t have two days and two lawyers to find out what it means after you read the bill?” - Congressman John Conyers, Jr. Democrat from
Michigan

I know what you were referring to. Ive been to ATS long enough and have read numerous threads on the theory. Im willing to entertain the theory. I am
unwilling to call my fellow humans murderers on account of a theory.

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