]]>By: rhf123http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/14/broncos-reportedly-knew-moreno-was-a-mistake-before-long/#comment-1125956
Thu, 14 Jul 2011 22:37:21 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=139435#comment-1125956Eagles took McCoy in the middle of the 2nd round. Glad McCoy was well off the board by then.
]]>By: Little Earthquakehttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/14/broncos-reportedly-knew-moreno-was-a-mistake-before-long/#comment-1125923
Thu, 14 Jul 2011 22:07:13 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=139435#comment-1125923I think Rita Moreno would be a better fit in the Denver backfield.
]]>By: stairwayto7http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/14/broncos-reportedly-knew-moreno-was-a-mistake-before-long/#comment-1125922
Thu, 14 Jul 2011 22:07:02 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=139435#comment-1125922“He hasn’t been tough, smart, motivated, if that’s what you’re asking. . . . He’s not a great clubhouse guy. Interpret that how you want, and he’s been a wimp on the field,”
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]]>By: andyreidisfathttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/14/broncos-reportedly-knew-moreno-was-a-mistake-before-long/#comment-1125916
Thu, 14 Jul 2011 22:01:04 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=139435#comment-1125916All I will say about Knoshon is his name is stupid and thak you J.D. because I think the Eagles would have taken him. We ended up with Shady and by far Shady is the better pro. Its not even close. McCoy does everything on the field. He may havea tiny bit of a mouth problem but his team loves him. And heck, half the Eagles team talks a lil bit to much but i don’t mind as long as they keep backing it up on the field.

Mostly though this is another example of how hard it is to scout NFL talent. Anyone who watched Knowshon in college would have thought he was going to be great. Its tough to scout these players and running back is the hardest position of all.

This is why if i owned a team I would never ever draft a running back in the first round. I mean of all the starting running backs in the NFL ,32, how many were 1st round picks?? 5 ?? maybe ?? And how many were undrafted 5-6?? Its just to tough. So i never blame a coach for getting it wrong on RB’s but I think you can blame them for drafting any running back in the first round.

]]>By: granadafanhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/14/broncos-reportedly-knew-moreno-was-a-mistake-before-long/#comment-1125863
Thu, 14 Jul 2011 21:36:18 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=139435#comment-11258632soweggroll wrote: “This guy is clearly a Raider fan (hence the one and only Nation comment). As a fellow Raider fan, I can only express my thanks to Josh McDaniels for all he’s done to drag down the Broncos franchise as far as he did. Well done Josh, well done.”

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As an NFL fan, we can only express our thanks to Al Davis for all he’s done to drag down the Raiders franchise as far as he did as he falls more and more into senility and dementia. Well done Skeletor, well done.

Last season, NO ONE could run behind the Bronco line, and lots tried. Moreno was easily the best of them and when he finally got healthy at the end of the season was averaging 80 yards per game or so. A lot more than Over The Hillis was picking up at the tail end of the year.
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That all said, you’d trade Moreno to get Hillis back in a split second. Fact.

So you say Hillis dropped off at the end of the year? You also mention that “lots” of runners tried to gain yards behind the Broncos line. Funny, I don’t remember Hillis having much help at all. And with all the help Moreno had and all the help Hillis *didn’t* have, let’s look at some numbers:

If Hillis hadn’t been beaten down by the end of the year, his average would have been ridiculous. The only reason he wore down is because it was obvious to all the teams playing Cleveland that their passing game was practically non-existent and they were running Hillis constantly, to the point that defenses just started stacking the box.

All that, and “Over the Hillis” still destroyed Moreno’s numbers.

Sour grapes much?

]]>By: Spencerhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/14/broncos-reportedly-knew-moreno-was-a-mistake-before-long/#comment-1125714
Thu, 14 Jul 2011 19:41:14 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=139435#comment-1125714McDaniels and Xanders destroyed the team, it will take five years at least to recover. They still haven’t fired Xanders yet, even though it should be clear that he has NO IDEA what he is doing.
]]>By: edgarh21http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/14/broncos-reportedly-knew-moreno-was-a-mistake-before-long/#comment-1125713
Thu, 14 Jul 2011 19:40:38 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=139435#comment-1125713You must be an idiot to draft Beanie Wells in the first round, anyone with half a brain could have seen that he wasn’t going to be that good.

And I agree scubasteve4930, Moreno has been very productive for the broncos. He produced yards. Now i don’t know what goes on in the locker room that may have turned people off. But check his yards. Yea he got hurt last year, but look at games after he went down. How many rushing yards did they get a game after he went down (DON’T INCLUDE TEBOW’S). I should know all other RB’s on the broncos performed poorly, had them on my fantasy team cus I picked running backs last hahaha. Still won my league.

]]>By: scubasteve4930http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/14/broncos-reportedly-knew-moreno-was-a-mistake-before-long/#comment-1125686
Thu, 14 Jul 2011 19:18:21 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=139435#comment-1125686why is there so much hate on moreno???? From the broncos games i did see…every time he touched the ball, he produced yards.
]]>By: sowcrateshttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/14/broncos-reportedly-knew-moreno-was-a-mistake-before-long/#comment-1125684
Thu, 14 Jul 2011 19:17:50 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=139435#comment-1125684Woody Paige? Stopped reading the article as soon as I saw that.
]]>By: ezmooverhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/14/broncos-reportedly-knew-moreno-was-a-mistake-before-long/#comment-1125681
Thu, 14 Jul 2011 19:16:57 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=139435#comment-1125681Actually, the real kick in the azz is that Clown McDaniels still has a million dollar contract to coach in the NFL.

There really isn’t very much accountability for incompetence or piss poor performance in the NFL.

You just get shuffled around to another goldmine position.

]]>By: chipwadehttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/14/broncos-reportedly-knew-moreno-was-a-mistake-before-long/#comment-1125655
Thu, 14 Jul 2011 18:59:17 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=139435#comment-1125655K. Moreno, B. Wells, CJ Spiller, D. Brown, J. Best, R. Matthews. 6 good reasons not to take a RB in the 1st round.
]]>By: BroncoNickhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/14/broncos-reportedly-knew-moreno-was-a-mistake-before-long/#comment-1125641
Thu, 14 Jul 2011 18:48:20 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=139435#comment-1125641@sc5000
I follow pretty much every post and article that comes out about the Denver Broncos. Woody Paige is going to try and contort anything to make them say what he wants to hear.
This is an excerpt straight from Denverbroncos.com when coach Fox had a “fan forum” phone call after the draft.

On looking to add a running back:
“We did want to address the running back situation in the draft and weren’t able to get that done. We knew going in we weren’t going to be able to fill all our needs, but that’s another area that we will look to in free agency. The things we didn’t address are corner, obviously the D-line has been made a lot of…running back is an area where we need to acquire some depth, and we are going to run the ball more to balance our offense.”

“You can’t have enough of them. If you’re going to run the ball and make it a priority to run the ball, you do need a few guys there that are active on game day. We’re going to be doing everything we can to get better there.”

As I stated in my previous post he has made it aware that we need depth and running back (running the 2 back system)
But when you read that excerpt you will see that he says “obviously the D-line has been made a lot of…”
He mentioned it numerous times that it is imperative that we get some help at the DT position.

]]>By: macjacmccoyhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/14/broncos-reportedly-knew-moreno-was-a-mistake-before-long/#comment-1125636
Thu, 14 Jul 2011 18:45:50 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=139435#comment-1125636Saying all that its possible that Moreno is on the cusp of breaking out. Look at McFadden he was taken at the top of the draft and did absolutely nothing his first few years in the league. Old vets and mid round picks were getting more touches then him. Everyone was already labeling him another Raiders bust.

Then last year he exploded on scene. He looked like the best back in the league at times. He got slowed down in the middle of the season bc of some nagging injuries, but fought through them and got back to playing like he did in the beginning of the season.

The same problems are basically happening to Moreno that happened to McFadden in the beginning of his career. Now who knows if he will beat it like DMF did or become the bust the DMF was suppose to be. But we should know from expierence that 2 years is to short a time frame to count someone out.

]]>By: macjacmccoyhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/14/broncos-reportedly-knew-moreno-was-a-mistake-before-long/#comment-1125604
Thu, 14 Jul 2011 18:32:14 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=139435#comment-1125604The Broncos should have went to Merrill Reese for some rb scouting tips that year.

Weeks before the draft all he talked about was how good Shady McCoy was and how he was the best running back in the draft. And how nuts he thought it was that he was falling down draft boards and people were saying he was to small and to slow and that he would be a 3rd down back at best.

All draft day everytime 3 or 4 picks went by he would say Lesean McCoy is still on the board. When it got to the 2nd round and the Eagles pick was coming up he started rattling off players he thought the Eagles might take at positions like safety n d-line and o-line. This is the year before Westbrook got all those concussions and knee problems so no one thought they would go rb that early. But then Goodell called McCoys name and Merrill basically fell out of his seat. He was yelling and laughing like a lil kid. Saying things like “Eagles fans we just got 1 heck of a player, best back in the draft””Im telling you this kid is special”.

He was dead on too. Shady has out performed them all. He has out performed all but maybe 10 rbs in the entire league. He was what top 5 in yards per carry and I might be wrong but I think he had the most all purpose yards of any back.

My point is its kind of a shame that a guy like Merrill who is just the voice of the Eagles and admittely has no inside connections when it comes to what the Eagles think about players or might do, knew more about what makes a great rb and was better at spotting it then the entire Broncos coaching staff and scouting department.

]]>By: tformationhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/14/broncos-reportedly-knew-moreno-was-a-mistake-before-long/#comment-1125603
Thu, 14 Jul 2011 18:31:45 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=139435#comment-1125603mogogogo1, you bring up a great point about Cutler. A lot of people try to paint Cutler as a whiner trying to get out of town, but man… based on drafting Moreno this high, trading for Brady Quinn & numerous other decisions that McDaniels made… Cutler getting his ass out of Denver was probably the smartest thing he’s ever done…
]]>By: reillyb1http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/14/broncos-reportedly-knew-moreno-was-a-mistake-before-long/#comment-1125602
Thu, 14 Jul 2011 18:31:27 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=139435#comment-1125602We’ll see. He will be a very good back. He just hasn’t hit the home runs yet.
]]>By: munchkin420http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/14/broncos-reportedly-knew-moreno-was-a-mistake-before-long/#comment-1125593
Thu, 14 Jul 2011 18:27:04 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=139435#comment-1125593KC fans should be happy if Fox keeps Moreno off the field.
Last season game one 22 for 106 rush 3 for 50 pass

game two 23 for 161 rush 1 for 14 pass

Charles was 21 for 116 and 2 for 20 (game 2)

Charles was14 for 41 rush and 5 for 80 (game 1)

There is more to this picture than the Wood is laying out there. Moreno’s health has been a disappointment.
He needs to get on the filed this year to keep his job at any rate. It sucks to get hurt but he is of no use to the team if he can’t stay healthy.

Here is the exact quote. Next time do some research of your own before you start blasting other people who do this for a living.

“We were 13th on offense last year. I certainly want more balance. We’ve got to run the ball more and better, and running back is our No. 1 priority [in free agency],” he said through Denver Post’s Woody Paige. “We will have the most sophisticated running team in the league.”

Google it if you don’t believe this site…

]]>By: hobartbakerhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/14/broncos-reportedly-knew-moreno-was-a-mistake-before-long/#comment-1125584
Thu, 14 Jul 2011 18:18:38 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=139435#comment-1125584They got him after Tyson Jackson, Aaron Curry, Andre Smith, Aaron Maybin, to name a few. No big deal.
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Thu, 14 Jul 2011 18:08:39 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=139435#comment-1125573They only passed on Brian Orakpo, Brian Cushing, Josh Freeman, Jeremy Maclin, Alex Mack, Percy Harvin, Michael Oher, Clay Matthews and Hakim Nicks. No big deal.
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Thu, 14 Jul 2011 18:08:19 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=139435#comment-1125571Raider fans coming out of the ghetto for this thread, I see. “No excuses” for Moreno averaging 800 yards a season for his first two years, but no excuses necessary for McFadden averaging 400 a season his first two. Nope.
]]>By: scrotiemcbhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/14/broncos-reportedly-knew-moreno-was-a-mistake-before-long/#comment-1125567
Thu, 14 Jul 2011 18:04:36 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=139435#comment-1125567Jeepers, creepers. Paige has been hating on Moreno since day one, probably because its the easiest way to feed the morons that haunt the DPO boards (and who do regular cameos here).

Its no secret that that the two-headed monster at RB is the in thing right now, and for good reason. Finding somebody to pair with Knowshon Moreno is practical and pragmatic, and hardly an indictment against the youngster who has scored 17 TD’s in his brief NFL career, and who ripped off a 5.3 ypc average over the 6 week stretch that Denver had a heathly oline in 2009. Its not like anybody tore it up in Denver last year, what with Ryan Clady at half strength, and the rest of the line riddled with injury and inexperience. Heck, anywhere south, east, north and west of Minnesota, having two quality backs is a necessity, as they even learned in Tennessee, where Chris Johnson was half the player/half the threat he was the year before despite increased opportunities.

]]>By: mogogo1http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/14/broncos-reportedly-knew-moreno-was-a-mistake-before-long/#comment-1125565
Thu, 14 Jul 2011 18:01:52 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=139435#comment-1125565Moreno has been a disappointment given how high he was drafted, but saying Josh McDaniels soured on him means nothing. McDaniels runs hot and cold like the Katy Perry song.

Remember that he soured on Cutler before he’d even talked to the guy, wanted Cassell before settling on Orton, then traded for Brady Quinn about two weeks before drafting Tim Tebow…hated, loved, then again hated Brandon Marshall, disliked Peyton Hillis so much he wouldn’t even play him….

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Thu, 14 Jul 2011 17:58:45 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=139435#comment-1125559@rayvens – The poster you’re quoting states that they are a fan of the nation – he’s a raiders fan saying that he supports Josh McDaniels. People on this forum don’t even read what they’re quoting sometimes.. wow.
]]>By: 808raiderinparadisehttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/14/broncos-reportedly-knew-moreno-was-a-mistake-before-long/#comment-1125548
Thu, 14 Jul 2011 17:54:19 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=139435#comment-1125548I remember when in college everyone compared him to reggie bush, well come to think of it, his NFL career is pretty comparable to Reggie’s lol. There is no excuse here, a few people mentioned that he had a bad line to run behind this past year … please … Darren McFadden had a weak first 2 years but the line he had last year was/is one of the NFL worst and he had a hihglight reel season, 5 avg a carry and all. John Fox knows the run game personnel needed, he might drag Deangelo from Carolina, that would worry me, knowshown was a mcdaniels pick, how could anyone defend a mcDaniels pick? Like he is a talent guru? Knowshown is pedestrian at best, he slows down in the hole and doesn’t shift to open spaces … I watched him play at Georgia, he ran behind a crazy good line there with multiple backs getting carries and stafford at QB. He is a NFL RB but not a starter unitl he learns how to read his blocks and be more aggressive.
]]>By: larryedhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/14/broncos-reportedly-knew-moreno-was-a-mistake-before-long/#comment-1125543
Thu, 14 Jul 2011 17:51:43 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=139435#comment-1125543…and Clay Matthews still on the board! Bet they wish they had that pick to do over again!
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