“Im not so sure about buying up buildings though. Im sure that would put a temporary crimp in their operations, but wouldnt they just move to another building?”

There’ve been a couple cases that I’ve seen. The death mills didn’t have the money for another place to lease from someone that didn’t mind an abortion mill in their building. They ended up closing down. Its really more a weapon of economics.

Nonetheless it disrupts their operations, saves lives and pushes back the enemy. In one case they found horrid conditions in the building. The conditions are quite graphic but they were putting medical waste down the disposal and into the garbage.

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posted on 05/31/2009 2:22:59 PM PDT
by driftdiver
(I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)

Usually I would agree; but with the state condoned crimes against humanity committed by this creep...I can not agree this time. If I knew about it ahead of time, I would have turned him in to stop it, for sure.

We don’t know what the man who killed Tiller was thinking or even if he killed him because of his full term abortion industry. But if he decided to take Tiller out because the State would not uphold justice; I can not condemn him for that. If I were on the jury and he was not a nutcase out to kill everyone, I would find him not guilty.

I am with you. Murder is wrong and evil. I do not know the story of this man, and apparently he performed abortions within the law and because people wanted them, not realizing what they were doing (killing actual babies).

Our goal should be for people not to want abortions. Not to go out and ASK FOR abortions. If no one wanted abortions, this guy would not have been performing them.

Remember that now everyone in that church, especially children, will become PRO abortion because of what they have just seen. Equally will some people following the media’s VERSION of this entire story.

This murderer HURT the pro-life cause in many many ways.

I am very sorry for all affected. Not one abortion was prevented by this.

At Planned Deathhood in Madison WI when “Dr.” Christiansen was asked that question he mocked because he liked singing in the choir. He seemed to revel in arguing against God and The Bible. I think it is probably public relations, to give the appearance that they are good Christian people.

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posted on 05/31/2009 2:25:48 PM PDT
by Bellflower
(The end of this age is near but the beginning of the next glorious one is coming!)

You are simply wrong on that count. Abortion must be dealt with like every other political issue.

You are wrong. Abortion is above all a moral issue not a political issue. When we stand judgment we won't be held to account for how successful we were but how faithful we were. Treating abortion as a tradeable political issue diminishes the value of each and every human life, uniquely created by Heavenly Father.

EXACTLY! And I would add: We can't splash water on a terrorist, to save innocent lives, and we have countless liberal lawyers, telling us that we can't hold terrorists at GITMO, if their only “crime” was association with OTHER TERRORISTS!

Yet, guilt by association is just fine, if you are a “nutty prolifer”???

Exactly. Whoever did it could have been a "Manchurian candidate", somehow provoked or programmed to do this at this time when the wicked demonstrate such power to use this for the detriment of the prolife movement.

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posted on 05/31/2009 2:32:25 PM PDT
by Bellflower
(The end of this age is near but the beginning of the next glorious one is coming!)

“Hmm...well ok, I can see the logic. Still sounds a bit like a band aid solution to me though (to use a medical metaphor).”

Sure, but are we really limited to just one tactic? Despite heavy govt funding abortion mills run on tight budgets. By increasing the cost of ‘business’ we can open another front in the battle and reduce the number of deaths.

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posted on 05/31/2009 2:36:59 PM PDT
by driftdiver
(I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)

I just want to point out that many of the view points here give a lot of ammunition to the “other side”. You have some people celebrating a murder. Some people are passing judgement on a man. Several comments are made talking about a second revolution. A revolution? really? I find it really interesting that instead of talking about removing the need for abortions, several people here find removing the abortionist and condemning the mothers to be the appropriate response. While I do not support the majority of your viewpoints, I hope that you all take some time and resources to support local efforts which support children given up for adoption and mothers who lack support. If we can remove the reasons for having an abortion, we can move past this debate for the better. At the very least, you may want to consider rereading some of the posts on this thread and think about how all of this sounds to people outside this thread.

Decent people need to leave lots of decent remarks on these youtubes and blogs. You can be sure that the Obama crowd is plastering these with anti life propaganda to make it look like their destructive opinions are the norm.

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posted on 05/31/2009 2:44:40 PM PDT
by Bellflower
(The end of this age is near but the beginning of the next glorious one is coming!)

That’s right. This is why I’m not so sure about buying up abortion clinic buildings and evicting them. Sure it disrupts their operations a bit but it doesnt address the fundamental reasons why people go and have abortions.

It’s a classic capitalist situation. There is a demand, and the abortion clinic is satisfying that demand. If we close down the clinic, but the demand still exists, then someone else will satisfy that demand. It happens in every other free market situation. Closing down an abortion clinic and seeing “backstreet” abortions go through the roof (with all the attendent medical trauma that goes along with it) is no victory for the pro-life cause.

Everyone concentrates on the nasty abortion clinics, and ok, they ARE culpable. But the real crime is the demand in society. That selfish idea that an unwanted pregnancy is an inconvenience to be “fixed”. The theory that the sanctity of Human life is trumped by “a right to choose”. THOSE are the evils we have to fight.

No, you are not allowed to be pro-choice on killing abortionists any more than mothers are allowed, morally, to be prochoice on killing their babies—but for different reasons. The baby is innocent. “Nuff said.

Tiller was guilty—some of his abortions are legal (but violate natural law) under our unjust abortion laws. Other things he seems to have done seem to have been illegal. But justified/moral punishment even for the guilty must be carried out after legitimate legal proceedings and by legitimate authority.

Sorry, we don’t get to pick and choose when to take the law into our own hands. This is a blanket principle. In a home invasion or in various other sorts of emergency settings, we do have the choice of self-defense but even then as a last resort).

Since you say you don’t justify this killing, we apparently agree. When I defend my condemnation of the killing by appeal to law and order, I do so by appeal to principle and by applying reasoning about the circumstances of this case to the principles, not by mindless “blanket case” argumentation. So I really don’t know what your beef with me is—if you indeed are not justifying the Tiller shooting.

No pro-life person kills another human being except in a just war. Whoever he is who did it, he's NOT pro-life. Pro-life people do not think it's okay to do what he did. If you think you are pro-life, and you "understand" what he did, you are kidding yourself about being pro-life.

You know, normally I would agree with you. But now I can no longer because the elite are now ignoring the constitution too large of an extent to make it tolerable.

The rule of law in this land is the constitution. When the elite ignore the constitution in making their laws and the courts refuse to enforce the constitution; there is no rule of law and from election to election. It gets worse and wrose.

I was talking with my sister who is busting her hump to pay her mortgage on a house that was over priced due to the banksters and politician’s games.

Ordinarly I would say to her - no matter what - pay off your promise - I’ll help you! However, we see in the bailout of the banksters and the breaking of our treasury - the breaking of contracts by Obama at the whim of self interest and the shunning of fiscal responsibility for the richest and most connected to power... and I am thinking it is all a bunch of crap right now. I did not say anything to my sister...but I was thinking bad things.

Sorry friend, but on this one, you simply do not know what you are talking about.

No, it is you who have been sucked in by the moderates who strive to compromise on every issue. No thanks. Every abortion for every reason is unacceptable because if you allow for any the allowable will just expand just like every other the government oversees.

People tell you how to treat your body all day long. Take this drug, don’t take that drug. Eat this, dont eat that.

And of course abuse is never ok. Using that as justification for killing someone is simple rationalization. I grew up in church but I also grew up in public schools where they taught that abortion was good. Once I realized the truth I change my mind.

“You are men of the earth, not God himself”

Of course, but as ‘men of the earth’ we have a vote and a say on what happens in our society. I pray you will soften your heart and realize that killing an innocent is not the answer. Some of the most amazing people I have ever met were not perfect and would be aborted under the lefts ‘all imperfect babies should die’ mantra.

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posted on 05/31/2009 2:51:52 PM PDT
by driftdiver
(I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)

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