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Tuvok's outfit looks like maternity wear. It's not designed correctly for a typical male physique, which makes it look bad.

Agreed. All of the costumes look hideous.

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Honestly, the StarFleet uniforms look rather untailored, but they also kinda look designed that way. The overall look is fine. At least they don't look extremely uncomfortable the TNG uniforms did (and evidently were). DS9 was a major step up, save that the rank insignia still seemed stupid to me. Tiny pips visible from exactly one angle, easy to miss-count at quite a small distance and very easy to hide by someone turning their head!

I can understand the mixed feelings on the uniforms, that may have needed a little more development. Everything else has been spot on. I think you guys will love what is being shot vs. some set pictures you have seen. Many times I was sitting behind Tim viewing the directors monitor and the scenes looked incredible.

Here is a funny behind the scenes video with Bruce Young who plays Borrada, what is cool about this is that you can see how some of the scenes look as shot.

Fascinating. The makeup is definitely a cut above what we've seen on non-TV/movie productions thus far.

I'm struggling with how to characterize Renegades, Phase II et al because "fan film" and "amateur film" just don't cut it anymore. These are much more than "fan films" and definitely not amateur. Niggling problems like the uniforms aside, these are semi-professional (professional?) (indie?) -quality productions.

Given the quality of most such projects on SyFy, I'd avoid those comparisons.

And I'd hate to think that the quality of writing makes these productions fan films. After watching DRAGON WASPS on SyFy only last week, there are several fan films which stand above that level of original production.

To me, if 50% of the folks are paid professionals, then it's not a fan film, no matter how good or bad it is.

My definition of fan film is simple: it's a film made without copyright authorization or a film made in tribute to a film or franchise. For example, J.J.Abrams's two "Star Trek" movies are "Star Wars" fan films. I could give many details, but to give just one example, the level on which the cities were based on Star Wars cities boggled my mind. Yes, it was made by professionals. It had pro actors and CGI people who were paid. It had a ginormous budget. Heck, it even pretended to be part of another franchise. But for me, it was a big budget Star Wars fan film. The Clone Wars Strike Back!

forget proper fitting....I'd settle for properly sewn. Even Wal-Mart would throw away stuff with seams puckered and mis-sewn. And, yeah, badly fitted uniforms will take everyone out of the "professional" claim of any production. Great acting just can't overcome bad costuming. What a shame....

My definition of fan film is simple: it's a film made without copyright authorization or a film made in tribute to a film or franchise. For example, J.J.Abrams's two "Star Trek" movies are "Star Wars" fan films. I could give many details, but to give just one example, the level on which the cities were based on Star Wars cities boggled my mind. Yes, it was made by professionals. It had pro actors and CGI people who were paid. It had a ginormous budget. Heck, it even pretended to be part of another franchise. But for me, it was a big budget Star Wars fan film. The Clone Wars Strike Back!

This usn't just a fan film though is it? It's meant to be a backdoor pilot, just made through kickstarter rather than a studio.

I have to agree with some of the others. The uniforms are awful, as are the Starfleet sets. In contrast the make up efforts look skilled and impressive.

I do appreciate that it's difficult on a tight budget, but frankly some of the other fan efforts have done a lot better with their own designs. If this is meant to show something that they think can make a show work then really it needs to look passable in all aspects.

Having said that, let's face it that Russ & Co are deluding themselves somewhat if they think this will ever become a series. If CBS doesn't want to revisit the prime universe at present, then they certainly aren't going to be up for a show full of aging Voyager actors.

For all we know, those glimpses we saw of plain-looking sets may just be the beginning. I would be willing to bet that after lighting and CGI effects are applied they may look quite different. Why don't we step back a second and let's see what develops, hm?