DSM-IV the spirituality That underlies Psychiatry

Wescott and hort were occultist they perverted the bible on pupose. Gnostic cults perverted the Bible immediatly after it was preached, they have
fragments of textus receptus marked with the editing marks of the gnostic mystery schools.

Originally posted by StopComplaining
Who cares what I say the Bible Says, I'm saying read the Bible and see what Gods Word (KJV) says.

So are you saying everyone interprets KJV identically?

Even if you are trying to say that, what is it specifically that makes KJV right and the other versions wrong? Can you give me an answer that
isn't identical to what all the other Christians who are supposedly wrong would say?

Anyway, what you call the "Holy Ghost" is about the closest you come to actually following your heart imo, except it seems more like an
intellectual bias that you follow, but again just my opinion. Other Christians that disagree with your particular views would probably be quick to
accuse you of hosting and entertaining more demons. It's used as a catch-all whenever there's talk of "spirits" or this or that and they just
don't want to hear the message because it doesn't fit with what they already believe.

As a grad student in Transpersonal Psychology, with a Bachelor's in Psychology, I'd really recommend opening the DSM-IV before taking
others' words for what's in it and what it's for.

This latest version is the only version so far to include anything remotely transpersonal or spiritual. It's been laughed at over the years as being
too dry and only a help when diagnosing a person for insurance purposes.

The DSM-IV isn't something we Psych people just pick up and read. Plus, if someone is troubled by witchcraft why not send them to a person who
understands their spiritual crisis??

I'm trying not to be rude here, but I actually laughed out loud when I read the title of your thread. It's along the lines of saying the dictionary
has no story and only an idiot would read it.

Originally posted by StopComplaining
"and having disposed of the dark skinned, the lawless, the godless; The fair skinned noble people entered in upon their lands and made them theirs.
With them the noble people brought the Gods of heaven and earth and these they worshipped with sacrifice and ritual chanting of mantra..."

I discern that this verse is describing a murderous mob of Idolators, participating in demon worship. Most likely they are the offspring of fallen
angles.

If you discern what this verse means(not that I agree with it in any way) why can't a person discern a verse in the bible? How else are there so many
takes on its meaning? Years ago there was an estimate of over 30,000 christian faiths! That doesn't even take into account each persons take within
each of them. I agree that those that argue should also read what they are arguing about. But if it is not done in an objective manner and instead
fueled by passionate, personal beliefs and judgements that were previously established, it degrades into a fight of I am right and you are wrong.

Curious too that your screen name is 'stop complaining'. Does that include everyone? Or are some exempt?

Your thread title is a bit misleading. The DSM-IV is important to psychiatry. It could be said to "underlie" psychiatric diagnostic practice.
DSM-IV Religious & Spiritual Problems is a continuing-education course, whose influence would be limited to those who take the course, and
then only to the extent that the practitioner agrees with the teacher's recommendations.

The point of the course is to tell pactitioners how its teacher, Dr Lukoff, would apply the "coded" diagnostic category "religious and spiritual
problem." The point of there being such a category is not to demean religious experience. On the contrary, coding the category improves
"differential diagnosis."

For example, someone who sees Jesus or the Holy Spirit in a vision is less likely to be diagnosed as being psychotic than without the formal
recognition of religious experience as a source of visions. The finding could be that there are non-medical reasons for the experience, and more
easily so if there is formal definition of the non-medical alternative.

If the religious category is found to apply, then there remains the issue of counseling the person how to integrate their experience into their lives.
Since the finding is that the person does not have a medical issue, then it is sensible that the recommendation will not be to place the person
under a doctor's care.

The common sense of referring a non-medical religious issue to someone with expertise in the person's religion is self-evident. Psychiatry is not in
the business of judging the validity of religions. If a Christian is having a religious experience, then referral to Christian clergy makes sense. If
someone from a Shamanic background is having a religious experience, then a shaman makes sense - the same sense in both cases, unless you wish to
have the medical profession choosing people's religions for them.

In neither case is anyone with a medical problem being referred to a non-medical practitioner. In neither case will the referred practitioner be
performing any medical services.

Or what about Jung who embraced his shadow and allowed the horned spirit being Philemon to enter into his being and write channelled through
him.

Philemon was Jung's name for an aspect of his psyche. There was no question of "allowing" Philemon "to enter" Jung's "being." Philemon was
already there. Philemon was Jung. Jung was not a "horned spirit being," so neither was Philemon.

Jung's depiction of Philemon included horns during his debut in a dream, but a subsequent Red Book depiction lacks horns. The influence
of William Blake on Jung's imagery surrounding Philemon is fairly obvious.

Nor can Jung's attention to himself be called "channeling" in any New Age sense. Jung was listening to, and seeing, his own thoughts, an activity
which is also known as "thinking."

Apparently, Jung wrote his "Seven Sermons for the Dead" by means of automatic writing. In other words, he wrote by attending to some of his thoughts
rather than to others. Since it is routine for many writers to experience the source of their inspiration as "outside" or "distinct" from their
waking conscious thoughts, it is difficult to see that Jung was engaged in anything sinsiter.

Finally, note that Jung's experiment occurred in 1916, when "automatic writing" was more in vogue than now. Jung was a psychiatrist, and so it was
his job to find out how things like automatic writing work.

Your concerns about Satan using me, tricking me by using a Light appearance is all fine and good on paper and in beliefs. In reality, in the
experience of it, one comes to know some things that trend away from the perceptions offered in christian beliefs.

The projections of fear shown in the video is about control by Belief, sorry to say. It is taboo to explore the works of your God all around us in all
the various guises, to prevent us from Self Gnosis... not Selfish-ness... but as said in the video, knowing the divine within.

Knowing this is not the same as thinking on it, or believing in it. Instead it is an active experience in each moment that you really can Feel.

That Feel is a Key. All things around us have a signature feel or key. In this way, Intent is easily discerned by the Feel. Now I know you will say
Satan can replicate the feeling... but I'm afraid in reality that is not the case. Anything/anyone choosing darkness has Light within it, I see it
clearly, it is there. It has Feel to it, as does the remaining dark it holds... even when it witholds the dark to shine the light. The Key provides
Intent.

Not saying now that there aren't some rather nasty things choosing darkness, because there is, and if you explore you will meet them. You know
immediately what they are up to, and would you believe Loving them unconditionally really begins their healing? It is true Stop. There's confirmation
Jesus was onto it when he tells us to love our enemies.

Stop, I'm not trying to change your opinion or belief. Just conversing with you from the perspective of someone living the reality as opposed to
reading and or believing anything about it.

They would surely be directed towards reading the Qur'an, which is supposadly the dictates of the arch angle Gabriel who came to Mohammed and
strangled him.
Mohammed was sure he was possesed by a demon, but his wife convinced him he was a profit.

Here is logic, either gabriel is who the Bible says he is, or he is the angle that strangled mohammed and told him to kill the jews, and
christians.

You cannot eliminate logical inconsistancies simply by being ignorant of them.

The DSMIV has to have a stance, a spiritual stand point. Just because that stand point is ignorant, nihilistic, hegalian dialectical, does not mean
that it is neutral.

Joshua - Chapter 24:15
"And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that [were] on
the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD."

If you please you can go get boiled in a kettle. But as for me I choose to accept the free gift of eternal life.

As a grad student in Transpersonal Psychology, with a Bachelor's in Psychology, I'd really recommend opening the DSM-IV before taking
others' words for what's in it and what it's for.

This latest version is the only version so far to include anything remotely transpersonal or spiritual. It's been laughed at over the years as being
too dry and only a help when diagnosing a person for insurance purposes.

The DSM-IV isn't something we Psych people just pick up and read. Plus, if someone is troubled by witchcraft why not send them to a person who
understands their spiritual crisis??

I'm trying not to be rude here, but I actually laughed out loud when I read the title of your thread. It's along the lines of saying the dictionary
has no story and only an idiot would read it.

The reason I hate the DSMIV is precisely because I DID open it up and read it, before anyone INDOCTRINATED me as to what it was saying.

I got full marks in my Psychology class but I renounce every single credit, Psychology is rotten to the core, the foundations are corrupt and "if the
foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?" Psalms 11:3

In response to your question, Why not send all the people with drug addiction problems to other people with drug addiction problems? that way they can
cry on each others shoulders and share neddles.

And here is a serious question what was your experience graduating from Transpersonal Psychology? If you didn't obsess over gerbils in inappropriate
places like Frued, Conjure up demons like Jung, Fall in love with your cousin like Maslow, or become a dominatrix like Skinner What did you do. Did
you shoot aliens with orgone energy? Did you hit a bed with a tennis racket and cry like a baby? Did you infiltrate a catholic monastry and turn all
the Nuns into lesbians?

Honestly I am not quite up to date with Transpersonal Psychology please "enlighten" me?

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