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Ice freezes waters! In Scandinavia and in the arctic region, all bodies of water are solid frozen. I think this qualifies as to why ice should be SE against water. And water makes metals rust!

It's not necessarily about "what makes sense" in life. Otherwise you could never end the Water vs. Fire debate, since water turns into steam, but fire also gets extinguished by water. I think Nintendo has done a pretty good job balancing the type effectiveness, to be honest.

Plus not all metals "rust", only iron and steel "rust". There are oxidation-proof/resistant metals out there, one of which is stainless steel.

Yeah, but i'm not talking about grass vs water here! I'm simply saying that they give a certain type move to a certain type that destroys all its weakness. i.e a fire type with solar beam can counter all of fire's weaknesses! how often do we see a grass type with rock type moves?

Technically speaking you CAN teach some grass types rock type moves. The Treecko family, Nuzleaf and Shiftry, Breloom, Torterra, Abomasnow, Tangrowth, and Simisage can all learn Rock Slide via TM. Most people just don't utilize that.

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It's not necessarily about "what makes sense" in life. Otherwise you could never end the Water vs. Fire debate, since water turns into steam, but fire also gets extinguished by water. I think Nintendo has done a pretty good job balancing the type effectiveness, to be honest.

Plus not all metals "rust", only iron and steel "rust". There are oxidation-proof/resistant metals out there, one of which is stainless steel.

Technically speaking you CAN teach some grass types rock type moves. The Treecko family, Nuzleaf and Shiftry, Breloom, Torterra, Abomasnow, Tangrowth, and Simisage can all learn Rock Slide via TM. Most people just don't utilize that.

And they can learn Earthquake if I'm not mistaken. And why's every hating on water? :/ Why isn't ice weak to water then? Since ice dissolve in water anyways :P.

Anyways, Grass type are sometimes dwarfed compared to the other types (especially in the sudden outbreak of steel), but grass can still hold their own though. I loved the gen 4 starter, other than the fact Empoleon is awesome and Piplup is cute, it was the only gen so far that all three starters have a secondary typing. I'm kinda disappointed with the 3rd time Fire/Fighting thing and pure Grass has been there for like 3/5 gens.

um... NO!
i always pick the greass one.
and one of my best pokemon is a venusaur

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Grass is the only type weak to Poison. Steel is immune to Poison and nearly every other type resists it.

And that does not mean nothing.
Poison is not a offensive type, it is a defensive one.

Fire is one of the best types, but it sucks defensively.
Steel is one of the best types, but yet it sucks offensively.
Ice is one of the best types, but it sucks defensively.
Poison is one of the best types, but yet it sucks offensively.

Every type has its uses and flaws.

The only types that are good in both ways are Dragon and Water, if I am not mistaken.

As far as the grass starters go I do find they suck for a playthrough, specifically because they don't usually have the coverage that I enjoy from my starters. Some grass types (Venusuar, Meganium, Serperior) don't get that many offensive moves if I remember: it's grass STAB and Sludge Bomb. Sure, Meganium has Body Slam and Serperior Slam, it's not great for a starter IMO. Sceptile and Torterra were the best playthrough-wise of the starters, 'cause they got decent offenses and coverage moves (especially with Torterra's ground type). The other starters always had something going for them IMO - all the water types could at least run Surf + Ice Beam/Blizzard, plus some got other moves (EQ on Swampert, Grass Knot on Empoleon). As for fire they were generally offensive and powerful, plus most got decent other moves (see Charizard/Blaziken/Infernape/Emboar movepool).

The idea behind Venusaur was that it was more of a wall than it was a tank; you sat behind your rather good defenses and threw status at your enemies. The only true offensive move you carried was whatever your Grass move was; the other three slots consisted of Leech Seed and whatever two Powders you liked most. And that was Venusaur's selling point; it was the only Pokemon in the game who got Leech Seed, which let you both drain the opponent's health and restore your own, and it stacked with every other status as well. Yes, other Pokemon existed who could spam Powders and such - Butterfree, Hypno, Parasect, Venomoth, and the version-exclusive Grasses - but they were consolation prizes at best, since they lacked Venusaur's great defenses and Leech Seed. That's why Meganium sucked such a large amount of dick; its movepool was nerfed so that it didn't include anything that made Venusaur useful, thus making it useless.

Originally Posted by Nyarlathotep

But for Defensive players, Poison is a very good type, not as good as Steel, but still worth using.

Meh. Poison on its own is too uncommon an offensive type to be worth resisting, and everything else is covered by Flying. Thing is, Flying types are incredibly easy to fit onto a team, as Flying is the ***** of Pokemon typings - it's been paired with every type except for Fighting, which even Flying wouldn't touch with a five-foot pole.

Originally Posted by Nyarlathotep

The only types that are good in both ways are Dragon and Water, if I am not mistaken

Grass is fine. Yeah, it has type weakness, but you could have other Pokémon on your team to counter it and Grass types can learn moves super effective on some types super effective on them. (i.e. Meganium can learn Earthquake - super effective on Fire and Poison types)

Grass is fine. Yeah, it has type weakness, but you could have other Pokémon on your team to counter it and Grass types can learn moves super effective on some types super effective on them. (i.e. Meganium can learn Earthquake - super effective on Fire and Poison types)

if some type should be bad it is ice it have only 1 resistance.. to ice and 4 weaknesses which all of them are common (steel is common on scizor and ferrothorn)

Ferrothorn says hi since he is one of the most used pokemons and he is a grass type and venusaur and celebi are they also bad?
abomasno although having "the worst type ever" is kinda strong when used right and it is also OU (well mainly for hail teams)

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