That piece ESPN did on Mike Vick and his involvement with dog fighting made me sick. Those videos were extremely disturbing. I'd like to throw Vick in a pit with a hungry mountain lion and see how he fares. And throw Portis in there too.

dog fighting is pretty disturbing. All i have to say is what kind of people does the nfl have that wouldn't pursue some sort of action against the guys. I know if i had a company i wouldn't employ any one that was even remotely connect to something like that.

Agreed. This is a nation full of dog lovers. I'm one of them and find it unconscionable that anyone could participate in something like this. How can you get any pleasure from training and watching animals maul each other?

Makes me sick and I do care more about this than steroids. With performance enhancers you're doing the damage to yourself and the game. Getting dogs to fight like that is far more disturbing and disgusting to me.

Outside of the cruelty/PETA issues, the gambling is a real problem for the NFL (not to mention that dog fighting is now a FEDERAL crime). I think, if all this comes out in the wash, Vick is either going to be:

a.) doing time in federal prison
b.) squeeling like a rat in a trap.

Millionaires (even with street cred) tend to go with plan b. From what the informant is saying, Vick looks like a major player and this could get him some serious time.

It is a felony level crime, and guys have been receiving three years just for distributing videos.

Coming from a Wolverine, we're the football equivalent of a formerly abused wife of a meth addict who just remarried the safe nice guy. We're just glad we have someone who's aware that it's a rivalry and that tackling on defense is integral. Baby steps.

Furls wrote:Outside of the cruelty/PETA issues, the gambling is a real problem for the NFL (not to mention that dog fighting is now a FEDERAL crime). I think, if all this comes out in the wash, Vick is either going to be:

a.) doing time in federal prisonb.) squeeling like a rat in a trap.

I think he'll sing like a canary and probably get off on a lesser charge. I hope Goodell drops the hammer on this punk. And I would imagine Nike is going to drop him like a bad habit.

more of the details on the raid are coming out and it is looking more and more like Vick is in deep shit.

There are 5 houses (painted completely black) on the property hidden by a large black fence that enclose the dog fighting complex. Apparently, they found performance enhancing dog-fighting drugs, scales, treadmills, and basically anything else you could need/want for dog fighting in the complex. This is looking like a very serious operation.

Coming from a Wolverine, we're the football equivalent of a formerly abused wife of a meth addict who just remarried the safe nice guy. We're just glad we have someone who's aware that it's a rivalry and that tackling on defense is integral. Baby steps.

What would make this really interesting is if he would have played well the last two years, thus continuing on the path in becoming the league's marquis player. The NFL money machine would make this disappear so fast you wouldn't believe it. Now, with the timing of this whole thing (with the NFL playing up the behavior aspect) this guys past issues, an equally moronic brother and the fact he really isn't that good of a player, well, he might be in trouble.

Vick is a punk. And i'm not saying this because he happens to play for another team. If news came out that one of the Browns was doing this, i would want him out of town. This whole story makes me sick to my stomach. I wonder about the people who actually like this stuff. What is there to like? I don't get it. These people have serious issues, and they all should be locked up.

Yeah, I think he will wear a permanent shit stain on this one for the rest of his career.

Coming from a Wolverine, we're the football equivalent of a formerly abused wife of a meth addict who just remarried the safe nice guy. We're just glad we have someone who's aware that it's a rivalry and that tackling on defense is integral. Baby steps.