By Fr. John Hollowell: Brave Heart is obviously a classic. In the film, Robert the Bruce, the dashing young man from the video above, betrays William Wallace for money, lands, and titles. He regrets it after looking into Wallace’s eyes and seeing the wreckage that his decision has on his country.

I firmly believe that when Catholic hospitals are closing, when priests are being arrested for not marrying Adam and Steve, when our country starts aborting children with tax money, when the Catholic Church is completely turned on and the movement by secular atheists to annihilate the Church begins in full force, then the utterly horrendous, morally bankrupt nature of the voting practices of the cafeteria Catholics will finally be realized, and a lot of Catholics who voted for Obama will say the same thing Robert Bruce said above:

“Money, lands, titles, power..nothing…those pro-life Catholics fight for something that I’ve never had, and I took it from them when I betrayed them and I saw it in their faces on the battlefield, and it’s tearing me apart.”

It is beyond comprehension that Catholics could vote for the most pro-abortion POTUS in US history, going so far as to oppose a bill that would have protected the lives of babies that survived abortions.

This is the result of Liberation Theology and the Social Gospel. People were taught that socialism is the Christian thing to do...and they believed it. Now they can’t separate their leftist politics from their faith.

Speaking as a Catholic, i am at a loss of words to explain how any Christian - catholic or not, can support a politician who goes against the very core of our Bible. all that comes to mind is 30 peices of silver.
these folks are not christian in any sense of the word.

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posted on 11/13/2012 4:05:35 PM PST
by Donnafrflorida
(Thru HIM all things are possible.)

Until the 1972 election, Catholics had either never voted republican, or had once in 1956 (depending on the source), today’s Catholic vote is the best that it has ever been, and winning 48% of the Catholic vote in 2012 is a pretty good year for republicans and Catholics, in fact, one of the best in history.

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posted on 11/13/2012 4:21:28 PM PST
by ansel12
(Todd Akin was NOT the tea party candidate, Sarah Steelman was, Brunner had tea party support also.)

Nope, these useful idiots of Satan will come up with another rationalization why it isn’t their fault. That includes the various bishops and priests who supported the Kenyan anti-Christ. They will lack understanding even as they are led off to their deaths.

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posted on 11/13/2012 4:21:28 PM PST
by sitetest
(If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)

Until the 1972 election, Catholics had either never voted republican, or had once in 1956 (depending on the source), todays Catholic vote is the best that it has ever been, and winning 48% of the Catholic vote in 2012 is a pretty good year for republicans and Catholics, in fact, one of the best in history.

Ping to join in later

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posted on 11/13/2012 4:25:22 PM PST
by Alex Murphy
("If you are not firm in faith, you will not be firm at all" - Isaiah 7:9)

Remember Jesus said that there would be the wheat and the tares. The wheat are those believers who are truly repentant who strive to live authentic Christian lives. The tares are those who are unrepentant, selfish and hypocritical, Christian in name only. The wheat goes into God’s barn and the tares get burned up in the furnace.

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posted on 11/13/2012 4:27:24 PM PST
by DarthVader
(Politicians govern out of self interest, Statesmen govern for a Vision greater than themselves)

48% is less than half. When I said Liberation Theology and Social Gospel are to blame, I was talking about Catholics and Protestants (especially the mainline Protestants). People vote for the socialism because they’ve been taught that it is Christlike. After all, everyone wants to feed the poor, right? I think that many choose to ignore the abortion-on-demand side of socialism.

I agree with the general sentiment here regarding Catholic voters, but let's be brutally honest. Even if voting for Obama is out of the question, why would any Catholic cast a vote for a Republican candidate whose well-documented track record was one of a leftist governor who was an ardent supporter of the very same government policies on the state level that Obama has been pushing on a national level?

Let's look at Romney's "accomplishments" from Massachusetts ...

Ardent support for abortion? Check. Gay "marriage" codified into law? Check. Government-mandated health insurance? Check. Government-mandated health insurance with legal mandate for birth control and abortion? Check. Government-mandated health insurance with legal mandate for birth control and abortion, with no exemption for any who object on religious grounds? Check.

Now tell me again, folks -- including (especially) any Catholic religious figure who insists that Romney was someone worth supporting ... What exactly were we supposed to accomplish by electing Mitt Romney to the White House?

A noticeable percentage of them certainly will be but I'd wager the clothes on my back that a noticeable percent...probably a *very* noticeable percent...have a mother tongue other than English.*They're* the ones to whom I was referring.

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posted on 11/13/2012 4:40:12 PM PST
by Gay State Conservative
(Benghazi: What Did Baraq Know And When Did He Know It?)

Impeach the kenyan or secession.

No, and it is so sad. As a convert to the Catholic faith, I see modern Catholics believing more like protestants everyday. They don’t want to believe as the Church teaches — as what God wants — they believe only in what they want. Modern Catholics believe that God changes with time, and if He doesn’t, then in His Infinite Mercy, God won’t let them go to hell.

“No, and it is so sad. As a convert to the Catholic faith, I see modern Catholics believing more like protestants everyday. They dont want to believe as the Church teaches  as what God wants  they believe only in what they want. Modern Catholics believe that God changes with time, and if He doesnt, then in His Infinite Mercy, God wont let them go to hell.”

I am also a convert and so I believe in everything that the Church teaches.

And many times that is a huge difference between converts and cradle Catholics.

That makes three of us. I can’t believe how often cradle Catholics don’t realize what a gift they were given.

Then again, it makes a lot of sense because it’s human nature to undervalue what you didn’t have to work for. It also shows that while Satan doesn’t have to life a finger to keep non-Catholics constantly compromising with the society at large he works overtime distorting and subverting Church teaching to convince Catholics to go along with the society.

Christ is doing with His Church the same thing He did with Gideon. Winnowing down the size of the army so there won’t be any doubt about Christ being the reason we win.

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posted on 11/13/2012 7:16:24 PM PST
by Rashputin
(Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)

Read my response carefully.In it I acknowledge the existence of home grown *and* foreign born parasites.From the comment noted above you seem to only acknowledge the existence of the home grown variety.And *I've* got a problem?

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posted on 11/13/2012 7:24:32 PM PST
by Gay State Conservative
(Benghazi: What Did Baraq Know And When Did He Know It?)

Now wait just a minute. Not all Catholic’s from these states voted for Obama. I certainly didn’t and I’m a Western New York Catholic. But, I certainly know a lot of Catholic’s who did. Totally breaks my heart.

Middletown, CT Catholics were victorious, Fr. John. Do they look like pro-lifers? The leader of this group is on the payroll of the Hartford, Archdiocese. She got a grant from Catholic Relief Services. The group is funded by CCHD. They defeated one of those right-wing prolifers, gaining a victory for a NARAL candidate. Free contraception. Social Justice. We cannot beat them. Not yet.

Nope. They've already hardened their hearts and consequently have been given over to a reprobate mind.

Before long such folks will be making sure they're no longer identified as Catholics because claiming to be Catholic will no longer be acceptable to the fascist nobility.

The aging liberals in my parish have not spoken to me since the election (heh heh heh). Possibly because of my outspoken intentions at Mass the last two weekends, which also involved the high praise of Bishop Jenky (of Peoria) and the letter that he made his priests read the Sunday before the election.

The aging hippies and social justice Marxists are dying off or leaving.

Before long such folks will be making sure they're no longer identified as Catholics because claiming to be Catholic will no longer be acceptable to the fascist nobility.

I'm having such fun with the 60s crowd. I teach fifth grade religious education as well as supplement intermediate grade religious education. I engage in rough and tumble theology. I will make a point or read a Scripture passage and point to one of them them and say "go". They are expected to comment or enlarge upon or give their opinion on that point. And why.

After about three classes, there are no shy kids. Exactly all of them give as good as they get.

I will do my best to educate Catholics in the Faith that was handed down to us from Christ. I will blow raspberries at the liberals who have damn near destroyed the American Catholic Church. Screw you, you profaners of the Faith.

God will not be mocked; nor will He be thwarted. Not in the long run anyway...

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posted on 11/13/2012 8:37:20 PM PST
by MarkBsnr
(I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)

I don't even know who is on which side of things yet in my parish. There haven't been any really silly social justice homilies but there haven't been any homilies I'd call warning people of straying either. I'm still trying to figure out where various people stand on things. All the priests changed not long after Easter so I don't have any sense of what sort of folks they are, either.

I've had a lot of people chat a little bit before or after Mass, but so far haven't been invited to any groups or had anyone do much more than be generally friendly. So, while everyone is friendly, I have no idea who are the stand up Catholics and who are the Cafeteria sort as of yet. I'm trying to figure out which of the Bible study groups I might be able to join and will no doubt figure out more at that point.

As for leftover hippies, it's a good thing I don't know who fits into that group. I've had more than enough run ins with such folks over other things.

I agree, God is not mocked. This country has been sliding further and further into paganism while at the same time the vast majority of the population claims to be Christian and I believe the Lord is going to make it clear what He thinks of those who talk the talk and don't walk the walk.

Regards

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posted on 11/13/2012 9:22:29 PM PST
by Rashputin
(Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)

Indeed, the history of the English Reformation is instructive. The bishops line up behind the king. Even the leaders of the pilgrim of grace believed the king. The professionals sold out, some because they were with Cranmer and some because they hope to turn the king. The American Church seems to be as confused. The Bishops are meeting in Baltimore and back to doing what they have done for years, pass resolutions on the economy and the like, rather than regroup to resist obamas secularization of the social services. I am afraid that some will be co-opted by the President. I could not believe that Dolan would not use the simple expedient of inviting neither candidate to the Al Smith dinner.

I think Dolan knows he's got to do things differently and that everything has changed in a very basic way. On another level, he obviously still enamored of the idea that he can make some sort of gentleman's agreement with the Devil.

Whether intellectually knowing things have changed will overcome his desire to play the role of "Kim, little friend of all the world", remains to be seen.

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posted on 11/14/2012 1:00:56 AM PST
by Rashputin
(Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)

Or mainline Protestants becoming more like Rome, who fosters the nominalism you reject by treating even overtly liberal nominal members as members in life and in death, even notorious public sinners who are sppsd to be excommunicated (Ted K. etc.). Meanwhile those who most distance themselves from here are substantially more conservative.

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posted on 11/14/2012 4:38:20 AM PST
by daniel1212
(Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)

First of all.."ArrogantBustard";interesting name,but your spelling needs work.OK,listen carefully...I'll use as few multisyllabic words as possible so you'll understand.

There are many,many people in this country getting government cash.Many deserve it because they worked for it and/or they're truly disabled.I,myself,fall into the "worked for it" category;Army pay as well as having paid into Social Security for 40+ years.As a result I get your basic Social Security retirement check.No military pension,however..I didn't serve nearly long enough.

However,more than a few..probably *many*...do *not* deserve it.Of that large group of people a very noticeable percentage are just as white,just as home grown and just as fluent in English as am I.But,OTOH,a noticeable percentage of these undeserving ones aren't nearly as home grown and not nearly as fluent in English as am I.These are the people...white,black,brown,yellow,red,Cleveland-born,Toronto-born,Tijuana-born...that I refer to as "parasites".You feel free to claim otherwise if you wish.You're entitled to your own opinion but not to your own facts.

"Embarrassed"? Thanks for the chuckle."Bigotry"? Are you sure you're in the right place? Sounds like the DUmpsterKids might be more your style.

Have a nice life!

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posted on 11/14/2012 8:10:08 AM PST
by Gay State Conservative
(Benghazi: What Did Baraq Know And When Did He Know It?)

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