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Pretty much this. LeBron is a flat out stud, and there's a good chance that he can get even better. It's a tough call, but if we're just starting out with an entirely new organization it's very difficult to not choose Duncan. But LeBron is a walking triple-double waiting to happen, and is also an awesome two-way player. If there was any way to nab both LBJ and Duncan, I would

Spurs management was the one making trading, signing players and getting the best players for Duncan. Cavs management isn't even close to the Spurs management.

How so, they gave Lebron multiple stars.

This is a list of the players who have been on teams with Lebron James who have made either an All-Star Team, an All-NBA Team, or an All-Defensive team, all of whom were age 33 or younger when he played with them with the exception of Shaq who was allstar game mvp winner the season before playing with Lebron.

This is a list of the players who have been on teams with Lebron James who have made either an All-Star Team, an All-NBA Team, or an All-Defensive team, all of whom were age 33 or younger when he played with them with the exception of Shaq who was allstar game mvp winner the season before playing with Lebron.

Wrong. The Cavs management gave Lebron former stars. Made it big for you in case Just in case you can't understand.

This is a list of the players who have been on teams with Lebron James who have made either an All-Star Team, an All-NBA Team, or an All-Defensive team, all of whom were age 33 or younger when he played with them with the exception of Shaq who was allstar game mvp winner the season before playing with Lebron.

Because guys like Shaq, Jamison, Wallace, Szczerbiak, etc played like an all star and had an impact of a top 30 player when they were team mates with Lebron.

The only all star he had was Mo Williams, and he wasn't even a top 50 talent in the league during best season. I also don't understand why you bring up Wade and Bosh when I'm talking about his days n Cleveland.

The fact that you try to allude Lebron had top notch talent in Cleveland is embarrassing.

Wrong. The Cavs management gave Lebron former stars. Made it big for you in case Just in case you can't understand.

Because guys like Shaq, Jamison, Wallace, Szczerbiak, etc played like an all star and had an impact of a top 30 player when they were team mates with Lebron.

The only all star he had was Mo Williams, and he wasn't even a top 50 talent in the league during best season. I also don't understand why you bring up Wade and Bosh when I'm talking about his days n Cleveland.

The fact that you try to allude Lebron had top notch talent in Cleveland is embarrassing.

He had as much top notch talent in the league as there was in the league. Not like he was playing against top notch talent either. 2009 Orlando was nothing to write home about and possibly had the worst backcourt all time. And the 2010 Celtics did not have a single all nba team member.

He had as much top notch talent in the league as there was in the league.

Most other contenders had/have at least 2 top 40 players in tersm of talent and production. You can easily argue the Cavs only had 1 top 40 player (which is Lebron) from 2003-2010.

Not like he was playing against top notch talent either. 2009 Orlando was nothing to write home about and possibly had the worst backcourt all time. And the 2010 Celtics did not have a single all nba team member.

I'm not saying he was playing against superteams or anything like that. All I said was that management didn't surround him with championship caliber teams unlike they did for Duncan (the topic we are discussing). That clearly showed against the Pistons or Magic when he played unbelievable and had to literally carry his team to keep them in the games while his teammates were barely visible.

Of course Lebron shares part of the blame for other series. Lebron didn't step up at all against the Celtics or in the 2011 Finals while his teammates were outplaying him some games.

The 2nd part has been discussed several times already. And Big Z was an allstar twice once in 2003 and again in 2005, so that is top notch talent to make the allstar team.

Being on the all star team doesn't mean you have top 40 talent in the league. But even if he was a top 40 talent during that time in 2005, Big Z was there BEFORE Lebron was on the team. I'm originally arguing the Cavs management didn't bring any top 40 talent once Lebron was there.