Importantly we also discuss how you might be able to get involved in ALL of these projects by pledging low to go high later down the line. It's important to check with the Kickstarter creators first, though!

Hobbyween Winners

We take a look at the winners of Hobbyween and give out some Golden Buttons as Lance takes us through them and some special mentions that we just had to show off.

It'll be fun to run this next year and see what crazy Pumpkin creations we can come up with!

It’s the Weekend!!
Don’t know about you but I’m “KickStartered out” right now – so limiting mtself to just one of these games. They all look fantastic, but at $99 (or $89 in my case and Christmas around the corner) Mythic Battles:Pantheons wins hands down.

Has to be said, “Roots of Magic” also has a bit of.a Frostgrave feel to it – not that there’s anything wrong with that!
Some lovely models, and if it has a different playstyle to FG then I could easily see space for both in my collection with some model cross-overs.

I’m afraid the rule on using ‘ii’s on the end plurals is simple – if the word is derived from Latin (i.e. Roman) then they are valid, but not if Greek. Pegasus is from Greek Mythology so no…

As for a collective nouns…
Geese are a ‘gaggle’ on the ground but a ‘skein’ in flight.
I like the suggestion below of a ‘murder’ as in crows (which are also called a ‘horde’)
you get a ‘rout’ of wolves on the move (and of snails…oooh scary!)
A ‘wedge’ of swans
You can have a ‘harras’ of horses.

Personally I’d go for something new like…
a ‘crest’ – as in the top of a wave
Or a ‘downdraught’
Last two (just for Warzan) – a ‘thrusting’ or a ‘pounding’ – both related to terms used for the air disturbance effects of helicopter blades (no other reason -honest 😉 l

Do you have a source for that? I am aware of Pliny the Elder who in the Natural History discusses winged horses in Aethiopia, but this is all he says about them –

“pinnatos equos et cornibus armatos quos pegasos vocant”

winged/feathered horses and armed with a horn who are called pegasos

Note that ‘pegasos’ and not ‘pegasi’ is used, and there is no mention of Pegasos being their sire. There’s an out-of-copyright 19th century translation of the passage by Bostock & Riley which translates into English ‘pegasos’ as ‘pegasi’. It may there from which the confusion is coming. Though like I say, if you know of a Greek or Roman source which uses pegasoi or pegasi then do point me at it 🙂

Correct the on the Greek and Roman being different. I’m afraid my Greek is non-existant but Pegasus is not Greek it’s Latin. The Greek name is Pegasos (Minor change but it let’s us get the plural) and the Roman name is Pegasus meaning the plural would be pegai. Although most of what Beleraphon did was in Lycia in Turkey which is only just being discovered so we might find the answers somewhere plus Lycian is different to Greek and Latin so it might hold new definitions. (It also has no vowels which confused Archeologists for ages)

Rember Pegasus was the name of Belaraphon’s winged horse and was unique so History probably doesn’t hold the answers. If we are going to give a group of Pegai a name maybe a Glide or a Soar of Pegai.

Yay, thanks for the mention. Yes, those were real lights, I managed to feed a wire under those mats (which I designed myself) and supply the model train lights that I found on AliExpress. Fiddly to set up though!

I can’t reccomend enough going in for at least a £1 pledge on a Kickstarter you like the look of it. Even if they won’t have a pledge manager later (or require a higher buy-in to allow access to the manager – still typically lower than the main pledge levels) it
A) gets you access to the backer updates and
B) you are still contributing to the project and every bit can help.

Also keep an eye on campaign end dates – in this example Shadows of Brimstone and Mythic Battles are both ending in the coming week, whilst Kingdom Death 1.5 won’t end till the start of January so there is time to budget somewhat.

The one thing I’d stress though is, however much cool stuff gets unlocked, only back at the level you are comfortable with. And if you can’t go for a full pledge, but they’ve said that they will have a backerkit/pledge manager later, you should still be able to contribute any amount you are comfortable with at Kickstarters default backer level. Check the campaign FAQ’s, and perhaps message the creator if you are not sure, but typically any funds you pledge will be available in the pledge manager stage as a credit you can add to if you want ot et to a higher level (example – backed the Infinity RPG for £1, upgraded to the all-in O-12 Box plus some extras).

And remember, although the three noted here are all massively successful already, and the teams have delivered at least part of their previous campaigns, crowd funding offers no guarantees about the final project. In essence every crowdfunding project, no matter how established the creator, is a gamble. Some pan out, others do not. Speaking personally of the (stupdily large number of) projects I’ve backed since joining Kickstarter 6 years ago (not to mention Indiegogo projects), most have been for a nominal amount, a few I’ve gone all-in on, and a very small number (literally a handful) have been disappointments, an even smaller number that I would consider failures…

And I’d add one further caveat – Whatever date the creators note as the fullfillment date, no matter how optimistic they might seem in updates & comments, take it with a grain of salt. Adam at Kingdom Death has gone with a “worst case scenario” date of 2020, based on his experience with the fulfillment for KD:M’s fist campaign. Most other campaigns, even by experienced teams, can run into problems, slippages or just plain train wrecks that can derail the whole process. The rule I try to stick to is not to expect any campaign rewards in the timeline promised, ESPECIALLY if it is a tabletop gaming project as these are noticeably prone to snafus in the manufacturing & shipping process. I’m not saying to give creators a free pass to let a project stretch into infinity, but so long as they offer regular updates that keep the backers in the loop, I have no problem waiting.

Again, if you are not willing to effectively write off any funds you pledge until any rewards are delivered, I would advise against backing a crowdfunding project as claiming back pledges can be…difficult, after a certain point. Normally within 28 days of the campaign ending you can get a full refund, after that it will be at the creators discretion and minus Kickstarter fees. If this might be a concern I would highly recommend taking the time to read through the terms and conditions of your chosen crowdfunding platform.

I only have 1 project I have backed that has earnt the ire of backers due to, frankly, stringing people along with no real movement on the second wave of product for almost two years now. The majority have at least delivered on their rewards and acknowledged mistakes in communicating to backers if they have made misteps or over promised. On the flipside though I have had one campaign where the creator realised 6 moths after it had ended he couldn’t deliver on the project and issued full refunds to everyone. The refund was appreciated, as was the honesty, and I’ll keep an eye out for any further projects they create.

(wait, am I getting a bit ranty? if so please say as I don’t want to cause any offence…)

A big part of the fulfilment problem with miniature based games are the limited number of suppliers with the capability, capacity and competence. The few out there that are any good tend to have their production schedule booked way ahead; all it then takes is for a few late designs etc and a project misses its slot and has to go to the back of the queue.

When projects try and shortcut this or find less reliable suppliers (to save time and/or money) then something usually suffers ( e.g. mini quality with Mercs Recon).

Great show guys. That Napoleonic battle is actually Waterloo! (Huzzah Warren). For reference both the Cavalry Sabre technique and Bayonet charge technique shown are totally made up and not historically accurate so take it with a grain of salt (Deadliest Warrior Style).

Very excited for the show especially since the old series was very good. Warren you need to grab Justin, John and Llyod and put in to be contestants.

Now I’ll give you a break from conspiracies this week but I’ll tell you a good story to do with Waterloo. I know you like the topic but have you ever looked into Gebhard Leberecht von Blücher? This guy was the Rambo of Terminators he was an absolute badass. Blucher lead the Prussian army at Waterloo but two days before he was seriously injured at Lingly. Blucher was shot multiple times, ridden over by heavy cavalry and some sources say cut with a sabre. His Aide threw a coat over him so the French would not take him prisoner and rescued him after the battle. Blucher got his wounds sewn up and bathed in a bathtub full of rhubarb and garlic while drinking schnapps. He then jumps on a horse and rides two days through the mud to fight at Waterloo. Total badass for a 72 year old man.

But there’s more. Saving Private Ryan did happen but this time it was a German sailor who was relieved of duty. During WW2 3 Brothers who were all decendants of Blucher named Wolfgang, Hans and Leberecht all served in the German Paratroopers and all fought together at Crete. Hans had found a horse and was riding through the British lines with some supplies and in front of his brother (20m) was killed. Wolfgang was killed on the same day surrounded and trapped by British armour. Leberecht was killed on the same day and his body was never found. Some stories say he was killed charging the men who killed his brother but nothing credible. So after losing three sons in one day the Army discharged the last brother in the navy. Sounds good right? Wrong he got himself killed in a hunting accident in 1944. Now I know you want a conspiracy so I’ll give you one. They say on Crete you can see three wandering ghosts. One mounted on a horse and two on foot who wander the island looking for their brothers. I don’t believe in this sort of thing but it might appeal to you.

I too was torn between Mythic Battles (which let’s face it is now such good value it would be rude to pass on it) and Shadows of Brimstone (which I am already invested in thanks to the previous KS). Thankfully Flying Frog agreed to let backers at the Lotus Level ($25) and above increase their pledge in the pledge manager, but at an un-announced higher cost than doing so now during the KS. Hopefully it won’t be a massive difference as the most interesting unlocks are tied into the $300 Shogun pledge level and I really can’t afford that AND Mythic Battles at the same time.. and I’m also crossing my fingers that the two pledge managers will be a few months apart because I definitely want a couple of those Mythic Battles add-ons 😀

@ Ben and Warren – The CD Soundtracks from Flying From Games are just atrocious. I was playing SOB Swamps of Death with a friend and we couldn’t stop laughing with the god awful CD. In fact, my friend posted the CDS of three Flying games on Ebay for a penny and no one bother to buy them 🙂 . That right there tells you something.

After seeing the game of mythic battles here I was sold for the game. I haven’t regretted any second of backing the game. Leo is fantastic, his live shows are great and they listen to the community to adept, change and update anything that is worth it.

First off, thanks for talking about my freshwater challenge project! Really need to circle back and finish up those tanks. They were delayed after I heard the deadline was being extended.

My opinion, if Warren and the crew haven’t done so yet, you guys need to sit and play shadows of Brimstone. In the past, I’ve seen you guys love of dungeon crawlers, and this game is a really unique take on dungeon crawlers. American western characters fitting classic RPG archetypes (the cleric preacher, bard-like saloon girl, the tank US marshal), exploring datemon-infested mines. Like kingdom death, it can be intimidating because of the large amount of stuff in the box, but the flexibility is worth it.

Maps are randomized by card draws, so even the same mission can be played many times and be different each time. Room explorations are controlled by a combination of tokens and encounter/threat cards which means you not only fight enemies, but also sometimes need to take RPG-like skill tests. The atmosphere of these cards is amazing, giving the true feeling of the haunted old west.

Perhaps the best piece are the RPG elements. Characters gain experience, improve stats, and gain class-specific skills over time. Also, they suffer injuries, madness, and mutations from their exposure to horrible creatures and mutating darkstone. In games with my son I currently have a crazy prospector that hears voices and has a beard of tentacles.

Lastly, after each mission, they’ve even turned the boring “visits to town” into mini-adventures where the town is different based on if you succeeded in your mission. Stores are randomly created, and each location your character visits has a event chart to see what kind of random events happen during your trip to see the sherif/general store/church/blacksmith.

i didnt know, or think your beach landing was that long. i enjoyed every minute of it.
One thing, would the vehicles arriving on beach or moving across a beach not take rolls for moving over difficult ground as in the sand (Bogging Checks). Just my put in.

I am fully kickstartered out, had Zombicide black plague, (everything), 7 Sins (everything), Massive darkness (again everything) The walking Dead ( you guessed it: everything ) and Super Dungeon Explore (surprise: everything) Also just bought a new MacBook pro, thanks to black friday “only” 2900 instead of ~ 3900… (That one I actually do need to work etc, so not a “fun” purchase as my old Laptop is literally falling apart after 5 Years of intense use and travelling) Oh and I am saving up to buy a house. Oh and Bloodbowl got released today… And several 40k codizes and books being released in december… So no more Kickstarters for me for a while… Or anything else…