Not only did he leave loosing, those loses are leaving the Texans in turmoil. If the team had won 1 or 2 more games Mr. McNair would not be in the position he is in. That's what McNair wanted. He likes David Carr, but most of you fans do not. Most of you do not like Bush, but I think he does. Now, he has a hot potato in Young. I guess Capers is having the last laugh after all.

Most of you think Fresno State was a push over, but we should have beat SC. Texas beat SC by a last minute TD and suddenly Vince Young is the greatest think, since hmm. May be Texas and SC were not the best based on Fresno States play. How many QB's from Nebraska are in the NFL. There is a reason, but most of you won't hear it. He is the home town hero, but at the end of the day I suspect it's time for Carr to move on if he has a choice. He has no future with the Texans no matter how McNair feels. There simply will be too much animosity in Houston for David. That is quite frankly what it has come to. If he thought it was bad when his wife had beer poored over her just wait till next year. I think its time for him to realistically consider his options and it should be trade me or else. Anybody who reads this board gets a real feeling of what the Texans fans think of David. He's taken a lot of beatings for you, but you don't respect what he has had to endure with the O-line and the coaching staff that surrounded him. My comment would be he has a son who needs him as well as the rest of his family. They do not need to go through another year of hell.

The Dream

01-10-2006, 05:22 PM

There simply will be too much animosity in Houston for David

like I've mentioned before, this city will have disgust for Carr either way (if we get vince or not) if he doesn't perform better.

Bobo

01-10-2006, 05:26 PM

Not only did he leave loosing, those loses are leaving the Texans in turmoil. If the team had won 1 or 2 more games Mr. McNair would not be in the position he is in. That's what McNair wanted. He likes David Carr, but most of you fans do not. Most of you do not like Bush, but I think he does. Now, he has a hot potato in Young. I guess Capers is having the last laugh after all.

Most of you think Fresno State was a push over, but we should have beat SC. Texas beat SC by a last minute TD and suddenly Vince Young is the greatest think, since hmm. May be Texas and SC were not the best based on Fresno States play. How many QB's from Nebraska are in the NFL. There is a reason, but most of you won't hear it. He is the home town hero, but at the end of the day I suspect it's time for Carr to move on if he has a choice. He has no future with the Texans no matter how McNair feels. There simply will be too much animosity in Houston for David. That is quite frankly what it has come to. If he thought it was bad when his wife had beer poored over her just wait till next year. I think its time for him to realistically consider his options and it should be trade me or else. Anybody who reads this board gets a real feeling of what the Texans fans think of David. He's taken a lot of beatings for you, but you don't respect what he has had to endure with the O-line and the coaching staff that surrounded him. My comment would be he has a son who needs him as well as the rest of his family. They do not need to go through another year of hell.

Though I may agree with your statements regarding the OL, I disagree with your overall conclusion. History will ultimately show that the Capers legacy was filled with excitement and overachievement that stemmed from a coaching staff that began with absolutely nothing but NFL rejects and some kids fresh out of college and led them to the cusp of a non-losing season in the team's third year of infancy. Many fans will ultimately look back at the first three years of this team's history as its Golden Age when the stands were filled with electricity and expectancy. However, that very expectancy that Capers and his staff created will ultimately be looked upon as his Frankenstein's monster as the fans created unrealistic expectations due to the success of those first three years and then turned on him in his fourth year when things did not go well.

robwoody

01-10-2006, 05:28 PM

Carr is no leader. We need a leader on the field that can rally the troops in the worst way. He still makes bad decisions and takes sacks by running out of bounds for a three yard loss instead of putting it in the stands. We don't need running backs or kick returner. We need a leader and someone the city can get behind and support. You can't go wrong if you go with Young. Win or lose it is the people's choice and us season ticket holders are paying the bills.

Bobo

01-10-2006, 05:28 PM

like I've mentioned before, this city will have disgust ... either way (if we get vince or not) if the offensive line doesn't perform better.

Above quote fixed.

Ibar_Harry

01-10-2006, 05:30 PM

like I've mentioned before, this city will have disgust for Carr either way (if we get vince or not) if he doesn't perform better.

I'm sorry, but I really think its beyond that now. Even if he plays well he will never be liked by the Houston fans. That's my take on this. I've seen a fine young man who had a lot of talent be destroyed by inept coaching. David only has a few remaining years. Its simply time to move on and let happen what will happen. McNair and company are backed into a corner. Again, Bob likes David a whole lot, but its simply impossible for David to stay in Houston.

The Dream

01-10-2006, 05:31 PM

Well you would think it's impossible for him to stay, but it sounds like CC still wants him here (why, I don't know)

robwoody

01-10-2006, 05:33 PM

Capers was just here for the ride. He didn't care if he won or lost. Texans like emotional coaches and players, that cry for joy win they win and cuss and cry when they lose, no matter what the situation. Capers, Carr, and Casserly are all "ho hum" personalities. You don't smile after a loss, you hang your head an apologize to your fans not getting it done and take it out on the next oppenent.

Ibar_Harry

01-10-2006, 05:34 PM

Carr is no leader. We need a leader on the field that can rally the troops in the worst way. He still makes bad decisions and takes sacks by running out of bounds for a three yard loss instead of putting it in the stands. We don't need running backs or kick returner. We need a leader and someone the city can get behind and support. You can't go wrong if you go with Young. Win or lose it is the people's choice and us season ticket holders are paying the bills.

Your comments just prove my point. I'm again saying its not realistic for David to think about remaining in Houston at this point. Its simply time to move on. I think in this case his family has to come first and there's a time when nothing else matters. If he were single he might want to stay and try to prove everyone wrong. That would be a choice based on pride. But with a family, no its simply time to say thank you Houston, but good bye and good luck....

The Dream

01-10-2006, 05:35 PM

Not trying to seem like I'm bashing Carr, but I agree with robwoody....one of the things that has always scratch my head is when Carr seems so joyful after losing week after week.....I'm not asking for the guy to be a Ron Artest type, but damnit show me you care.

tulexan

01-10-2006, 05:35 PM

I actually believe that if he and the team are successful the fans will get over it. Success usually outweighs all other factors about a player.

robwoody

01-10-2006, 05:36 PM

Well you would think it's impossible for him to stay, but it sounds like CC still wants him here (why, I don't know)

:brickwall CC would have the first person I fired!!!!!!!!!!

Bobo

01-10-2006, 05:38 PM

I'm sorry, but I really think its beyond that now. Even if he plays well he will never be liked by the Houston fans. That's my take on this. I've seen a fine young man who had a lot of talent be destroyed by inept coaching. David only has a few remaining years. Its simply time to move on and let happen what will happen. McNair and company are backed into a corner. Again, Bob likes David a whole lot, but its simply impossible for David to stay in Houston.

Where do you get the idea that Carr isn't liked by Houston fans? Most intelligent followers of the team either like Carr or else are holding back their opinions on him until the team finally fields an offensive line that doesn't threaten the record for most sacks allowed in a season.

AustinJB

01-10-2006, 05:39 PM

Not only did he leave loosing, those loses are leaving the Texans in turmoil. If the team had won 1 or 2 more games Mr. McNair would not be in the position he is in. That's what McNair wanted. He likes David Carr, but most of you fans do not. Most of you do not like Bush, but I think he does. Now, he has a hot potato in Young. I guess Capers is having the last laugh after all.

Most of you think Fresno State was a push over, but we should have beat SC. Texas beat SC by a last minute TD and suddenly Vince Young is the greatest think, since hmm. May be Texas and SC were not the best based on Fresno States play. How many QB's from Nebraska are in the NFL. There is a reason, but most of you won't hear it. He is the home town hero, but at the end of the day I suspect it's time for Carr to move on if he has a choice. He has no future with the Texans no matter how McNair feels. There simply will be too much animosity in Houston for David. That is quite frankly what it has come to. If he thought it was bad when his wife had beer poored over her just wait till next year. I think its time for him to realistically consider his options and it should be trade me or else. Anybody who reads this board gets a real feeling of what the Texans fans think of David. He's taken a lot of beatings for you, but you don't respect what he has had to endure with the O-line and the coaching staff that surrounded him. My comment would be he has a son who needs him as well as the rest of his family. They do not need to go through another year of hell.

Well-made point about the situation DC put McNair in. I appreciate the difficult decision that McNair has ahead of him. I think most of us do and that's why there have been so many heated discussions regarding it lately (although even as a VY proponent, I think it's all gotten a little ridiculous).

I do think you're right about the way fans will perceive Carr from now on. Even if we keep him and he is successful, but for sake of argument, VY is better and the only reason we can't win our division is b/c he is beating us twice a year, then fans will hold it against him. I am a Carr fan also. I think that he will be successful in the NFL if he gets a good supporting cast. I have always stood up for him against all the naysayers. He takes a beating every game, every year and (until mid-season this year) never complained at all. I mean geez, he has taken more sacks in the last four years than any QB ever has in their first four years. True, many this year were his fault; but that is a direct result of the opposing DL on top of him about 2.5 secounds after he snapped the ball. Hell, the few times he did have time to throw the ball, he had forgotten what to do w/ it.

So, IF Carr goes, I will definitely be a little sentimental...even though I would be thrilled to have VY. I would wish him the best wherever he goes and cheer him on (except when he plays us). The only reason I want to get VY is b/c I think he is one of the special QBs that you don't always have the chance to get. It's not b/c I think everything is Carr's fault. I just don't think Carr has the star potential that VY does. Carr's upside as a QB is middle-of-the-pack....even though I appreciate all that he has sacrificed for this franchise.

Porky

01-10-2006, 05:48 PM

I realize you have a man crush on David, and that he can do no wrong. But at what point does Carr take on the responsibilty of his poor performance? Sure, he could have received better coaching, but naturally gifted players find a way to be productive. He hasn't shown even basic things that I expect out of a top QB that are outside of the coaches control - such as leadership, among many others. The coach is there to maximize the God given potential , not to create it. I have been reading you for months now making suggestions that Capers/Palmer/Pendry is Gepetto to David Carr's Pinnochio, as if they have strings attached to him, and he has no independent thought or will of his own. If that's the case, then how can one argue he is a franchise QB. You simply cannot have it both ways. You are making a circular argument. It reminds me of a dog chasing its own tail. You're like a broken record, and I am tired of the soundtrack. :brickwall

JDizzle

01-10-2006, 05:52 PM

What would be worse is if you had Young and Carr on the roster. Carr would get boo'd out of Texas the second he threw and incomplete pass, Young's followers would demand he start from then on, and I imagine things wouldn't be all that fun in the locker room.

AustinJB

01-10-2006, 05:54 PM

I realize you have a man crush on David, and that he can do no wrong. But at what point does Carr take on the responsibilty of his poor performance? Sure, he could have received better coaching, but naturally gifted players find a way to be productive. He hasn't shown even basic things that I expect out of a top QB that are outside of the coaches control - such as leadership, among many others. The coach is there to maximize the God given potential , not to create it. I have been reading you for months now making suggestions that Capers/Palmer/Pendry is Gepetto to David Carr's Pinnochio, as if they have strings attached to him, and he has no independent thought or will of his own. If that's the case, then how can one argue he is a franchise QB. You simply cannot have it both ways. You are making a circular argument. It reminds me of a dog chasing its own tail. You're like a broken record, and I am tired of the soundtrack. :brickwall

I hope you're not responding to me b/c I just said I appreciate the beating he's taking, but I still want VY. And if you are referring to me, you haven't been reading me for months b/c I just joined the MB earlier this week.
:confused:

Double Barrel

01-10-2006, 06:03 PM

He has no future with the Texans no matter how McNair feels. There simply will be too much animosity in Houston for David. That is quite frankly what it has come to. If he thought it was bad when his wife had beer poored over her just wait till next year. I think its time for him to realistically consider his options and it should be trade me or else. Anybody who reads this board gets a real feeling of what the Texans fans think of David.

Man, Ibar, interesting take. And you could very well be correct. :(

Next season could be a make or break year for Carr, and there won't any understanding from a lot of fans about a new coaching staff or whatever. It's put up or shut up time for a lot of folks, and even moreso if they don't get their way (ie. drafting Young).

He'll be on a tightrope getting shot at from many angles. I wouldn't blame him if he decided to ask for a trade. Maybe a new city would give him half a chance in 2006. It's a shame that professional sports fans have gotten this extreme, really.

Porky

01-10-2006, 06:05 PM

I hope you're not responding to me b/c I just said I appreciate the beating he's taking, but I still want VY. And if you are referring to me, you haven't been reading me for months b/c I just joined the MB earlier this week.
:confused:

Since you just joined, that might be a clue I was not referring to you. LOL. I was referring to the thread starter of course, who has been on this same mantra for months, if not years. He is a one trick pony. It's like watching the Indy 500. He goes round and round in circles for years, and never gets off the track. He doesn't even take pit stops.

AustinJB

01-10-2006, 06:09 PM

Since you just joined, that might be a clue I was not referring to you. LOL. I was referring to the thread starter of course, who has been on this same mantra for months, if not years. He is a one trick pony. It's like watching the Indy 500. He goes round and round in circles for years, and never gets off the track. He doesn't even take pit stops.

Gotcha!:cool:

Double Barrel

01-10-2006, 06:11 PM

Me, I hope the team trades down an screws everyones ideas.

That's a possibility that would piss everyone off, 'eh?

Except me (and a few others). I'd be happy if they make the "deal of the century" and pick up some great talent. We sure need it in more areas than just QB and RB.

One player will not magically turn this franchise around. Sure Bush or Young could be part of the solution, but neither of them is the be all/end all that some paint them to be. There are no Michael Jordans in the NFL. Football is truly a team sport, won and lost as a team.

The Preacher

01-10-2006, 06:21 PM

Me, I hope the team trades down an screws everyones ideas. Sick, sick , sick of this CRAPPPOLLA. hope he Baggs the team totally and moves it to LA so you dickweeds can BIAOTCHH your behinds off and whine "We have no team, we are good fans" My Backside. You would be getting JUST what you desirve.

Very poignant the same ideas have run through my mind after reading some posts but I think those who claim they'll sell their PSL'S are few and far between.

tulexan

01-10-2006, 06:28 PM

Although I would like Reggie, I wouldn't be upset if we traded down and got someone like Mario Williams because our defense is so bad and if you have a good defense, at least you are competitve in every single game.

ArlingtonTexan

01-10-2006, 06:35 PM

That's a possibility that would piss everyone off, 'eh?

Except me (and a few others). I'd be happy if they make the "deal of the century" and pick up some great talent. We sure need it in more areas than just QB and RB.

One player will not magically turn this franchise around. Sure Bush or Young could be part of the solution, but neither of them is the be all/end all that some paint them to be. There are no Michael Jordans in the NFL. Football is truly a team sport, won and lost as a team.

From the purest of football terms, trading down is probably the best of answers, but will not bring any buzz to the franchise.

Ibar,

You are complaining about posters who have a blind spot for a player? :penalty:

Comanche

01-10-2006, 06:49 PM

I don't know; I might have been too young then to remember right, but it seems that Dan Pastorini became really popular here in 1978-1979. I, for one, hated to see him get traded.

(This is in response to the comments on Carr)

Kaiser Toro

01-10-2006, 06:53 PM

Not only did he leave loosing, those loses are leaving the Texans in turmoil. If the team had won 1 or 2 more games Mr. McNair would not be in the position he is in. That's what McNair wanted. He likes David Carr, but most of you fans do not. Most of you do not like Bush, but I think he does. Now, he has a hot potato in Young. I guess Capers is having the last laugh after all.

Most of you think Fresno State was a push over, but we should have beat SC. Texas beat SC by a last minute TD and suddenly Vince Young is the greatest think, since hmm. May be Texas and SC were not the best based on Fresno States play. How many QB's from Nebraska are in the NFL. There is a reason, but most of you won't hear it. He is the home town hero, but at the end of the day I suspect it's time for Carr to move on if he has a choice. He has no future with the Texans no matter how McNair feels. There simply will be too much animosity in Houston for David. That is quite frankly what it has come to. If he thought it was bad when his wife had beer poored over her just wait till next year. I think its time for him to realistically consider his options and it should be trade me or else. Anybody who reads this board gets a real feeling of what the Texans fans think of David. He's taken a lot of beatings for you, but you don't respect what he has had to endure with the O-line and the coaching staff that surrounded him. My comment would be he has a son who needs him as well as the rest of his family. They do not need to go through another year of hell.

So Capers final legacy is his laugh?

TexansTrueFan

01-10-2006, 06:54 PM

Carr is no leader. We need a leader on the field that can rally the troops in the worst way. He still makes bad decisions and takes sacks by running out of bounds for a three yard loss instead of putting it in the stands. We don't need running backs or kick returner. We need a leader and someone the city can get behind and support. You can't go wrong if you go with Young. Win or lose it is the people's choice and us season ticket holders are paying the bills.

how can ya lead when ya cant call out the snap count before your eating dirt. so i guess we should get a new QB and we will be fine with the OL we haqd this year ??? am i correct ?

Cheap_Sunglasses

01-10-2006, 06:57 PM

Well you would think it's impossible for him to stay, but it sounds like CC still wants him here (why, I don't know)

That's because if the Texans draft Young, it will be an admission that picking Carr to be the franchise QB was a mistake.

tulexan

01-10-2006, 06:57 PM

Carr is no leader. We need a leader on the field that can rally the troops in the worst way. He still makes bad decisions and takes sacks by running out of bounds for a three yard loss instead of putting it in the stands. We don't need running backs or kick returner. We need a leader and someone the city can get behind and support. You can't go wrong if you go with Young. Win or lose it is the people's choice and us season ticket holders are paying the bills.

So you would be happy if Vince went 4 years without going to the playoffs or having a winning season? I guess just watching a local guy fail is better than watching an out of towner win, right?

Kaiser Toro

01-10-2006, 07:05 PM

So you would be happy if Vince went 4 years without going to the playoffs or having a winning season? I guess just watching a local guy fail is better than watching an out of towner win, right?

You talk about an out of towner like he is accustomed to winning. 15 career victories in 4 years. We could bring in a QB at league minimum and get the same result and that is with the porous Oline, WR's dropping the ball, no TE and a Fangio led defense.

I wish the saying you get what you pay for was accurate.

tulexan

01-10-2006, 07:19 PM

No I'm not saying that he has been winning. I just believe the whole notion that people will be happy to watch Vince Young lose games is ludicrous. People will be calling for his head if the team is losing just like they are calling for Carr's head.

Hervoyel

01-10-2006, 07:21 PM

I'm sorry, but I really think its beyond that now. Even if he plays well he will never be liked by the Houston fans. That's my take on this. I've seen a fine young man who had a lot of talent be destroyed by inept coaching. David only has a few remaining years. Its simply time to move on and let happen what will happen. McNair and company are backed into a corner. Again, Bob likes David a whole lot, but its simply impossible for David to stay in Houston.

I'm a Houston fan and I like David Carr.

I'd also like to add that as of this evening I've been sober for nineteen days and counting. I think this time I'm going to make it.

IMPORTANT POINT HERE. THAT WAS MEANT AS A JOKE. I AM NOT IN AA. THANKS FOR ALL THE WELL WISHES BUT I WAS KIDDING.
THE WHOLE "I'M A HOUSTON FAN AND I LIKE DAVID CARR" LINE REMINDED ME OF THE AA THING WHERE GUYS SAY "MY NAME IS ____________ AND I'M AN ALCOHOLIC"
SORRY FOR THE CONFUSION.

Seriously I think you are letting what is in all honesty a very vocal minority of Houston fans (those on this board) color your perceptions Ibar. It's not impossible for David to stay in Houston. If Kubiak is hired as expected then I personally believe it's very likely that he'll stay in Houston and that he'll perform up to a level that will allow the majority of Texans fans to be glad he stayed.

Ibar_Harry

01-10-2006, 07:26 PM

From the purest of football terms, trading down is probably the best of answers, but will not bring any buzz to the franchise.

Ibar,

You are complaining about posters who have a blind spot for a player? :penalty:

One more time I'm saying David is through in Houston no matter what your view of him is. It is beyond his control or McNair's control. I simply think he has to move on in his own best interest and everyone elses best interest. He may comeback and haunt the Texans and he may not. That's not why I started this thread. I think if he stays he and his family are in for a horrible experience. I also think Mr. McNair has been placed in a position that is totally unexpected. The irony is all of this is because of Capers and not replacing him before the end of the season.

edo783

01-10-2006, 08:11 PM

I'm a Houston fan and I like David Carr.

I'd also like to add that as of this evening I've been sober for nineteen days and counting. I think this time I'm going to make it.

Seriously I think you are letting what is in all honesty a very vocal minority of Houston fans (those on this board) color your perceptions Ibar. It's not impossible for David to stay in Houston. If Kubiak is hired as expected then I personally believe it's very likely that he'll stay in Houston and that he'll perform up to a level that will allow the majority of Texans fans to be glad he stayed.

I can't tell you how much I hope your right. If it could happen, I would LOVE to draft Vince, get NO ONE else, trade all our picks this year and the next two years for 2009 picks, and have the coaching staff call the exact same game plan and have Vince stand back there and get his bains beat out for 4 years. IMO, it would be interesting to see if he gets up everytime or whether he is on IR. The Vincit'es will say "He would make it work and score and carry the team" and that is just such a load of crud. Not ONE QB anywhere could make it work with the totally defective O-line and probably the worst game scheming in the history of the NFL. The trully ironic thing is the ONE time they tried something different it worked like a charm and then they quit doing it and went back to the samething they were doing every game. Insanity, keep doing what doesnt work and when you find something that at least seems to work, move away from it. Unfreaken believable.

TexanExile

01-10-2006, 08:18 PM

Nah, that's just too strong of a statement.

Carr can stay here. Winning cures everything. If Jay freaking Fiedler can keep a starting job for years in Miami during a winning era while being essentially mediocre, David Carr can stay in Houston if he can win. Now, his cap number and draft-pick status will certainly put a lot more pressure on him to be a straight-up winner, but I don't think that December '06 will be decision time at QB for the Texans if there's real progress shown. (And by the way, I think there will be--whether DC or VY or both are on the roster.)

Carr will get graded on a curve for next year, just because of the system change that's coming. If by "can't stay in Houston" you mean stink in '07 and expect a job in '08, well, you're right. But if this team can win 7 games next year because of (or even despite) David Carr, I don't think his house will get egged.

Much. :cool:

Ibar_Harry

01-10-2006, 08:25 PM

I'm a Houston fan and I like David Carr.

I'd also like to add that as of this evening I've been sober for nineteen days and counting. I think this time I'm going to make it.

Seriously I think you are letting what is in all honesty a very vocal minority of Houston fans (those on this board) color your perceptions Ibar. It's not impossible for David to stay in Houston. If Kubiak is hired as expected then I personally believe it's very likely that he'll stay in Houston and that he'll perform up to a level that will allow the majority of Texans fans to be glad he stayed.

Herv this is a personal note to congratulate you on the 19 days. I have a friend I have been trying to help for a long time. He's now on the streets, but refuses to give it up. Its absolutely amazing what it does to people. On David I hope you are right and I'm wrong, but my sense is its much deeper than you think Herv. The Texans are going to have to start all over again. If they draft VY or RB they still have not addressed defense or the O or D lines. My mantra for a long time has been that year 2's injuries destroyed the plans for this ball club. It will take a good 2 or 3 years to get back on track. I will wait and see, but I think after the draft David will be traded and they will bring in someone like a Testiverde to tuitor VY unless something unforseen happens. That's why I say until after the draft.

ArlingtonTexan

01-10-2006, 08:37 PM

One more time I'm saying David is through in Houston no matter what your view of him is. It is beyond his control or McNair's control. I simply think he has to move on in his own best interest and everyone elses best interest. He may comeback and haunt the Texans and he may not. That's not why I started this thread. I think if he stays he and his family are in for a horrible experience. I also think Mr. McNair has been placed in a position that is totally unexpected. The irony is all of this is because of Capers and not replacing him before the end of the season.

If you are telling me that fans are holding David to a higher standard of performance than before, quite honestly he needs to be. His fault or not Qbs with Carr's record don't generally keep jobs uncontested. He really has been given more opportunity than he would get in most cities.

If you are telling me that Houston fans will be irrational and treat his family poorly based on one jerk two years ago, then you are letting a minority of people color your view of Houston. I have atended sporting events in at least 12-15 major cities and Houston fans as a whole are the most civil that you could ever meet. No matter what people are saying now, much of this will calm down, especially if Carr performs any where close to level that you have promoted him.

Speedy

01-10-2006, 09:11 PM

If the Texans are going to make their football decisions based on what a group of fans think they want, then they might as well load up the vans and move to LA.

Listening to the fans about the roof is one thing. Listening to the fans when shaping/building this football team is another.

If Young is drafted, it better be because Reeves and Casserly and the new HC have evaluated and determined he's the best option for making this team win football games, not because they can sell a boatload of #10 jerseys.

tsip

01-10-2006, 09:21 PM

how can ya lead when ya cant call out the snap count before your eating dirt. so i guess we should get a new QB and we will be fine with the OL we haqd this year ??? am i correct ?

...wasn't it kind of neat to see zero sacks allowed by the OL in the last game, too bad Carr was on the sidelines

done88

01-10-2006, 09:41 PM

If carr stays and wins he will not have a problem. If youngf comes in and wins no problem. If either of them lose the fans will be unhappy. Winning cures everything.