Would love to see us crush them Sunday. I respect the Jaguar's defense, but it seems like especially Ramsey seems to lack that common respect most pros give other teams. I can't even picture Sherman talking like this. He may have had his rants but he mostly respected his quality opponents

Would love to see us crush them Sunday. I respect the Jaguar's defense, but it seems like especially Ramsey seems to lack that common respect most pros give other teams. I can't even picture Sherman talking like this. He may have had his rants but he mostly respected his quality opponents

The difference I see is that Sherman trash talks everyone on the field. He doesn't care who they are for him it's part of the game.

On this one though, the quote about Baldwin not being "Fitzgerald" is quite true. Baldwin plays the game differently. He may never see the numbers Fitz has seen, but that isn't how our system works. Either way, he's shown himself able to beat some of the best corner's in the game and I'm sure he'll make his plays this week as well.

“You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time”

Jalen is no Richard Sherman either. Bortles is no Wentz or Russ. But you will very likely here pretty much everyone on our team talk about how good the Jags are

As for the Trent Williams thing, even with the Crabtree thing Sherman tried to shake his hand. Jalen just seems to make it more personal and lacks respect for his opponents. When Sherman trash talked Brady, it's because Brady said "See us after the game when we win." Brady's a known trash talker

Scorpion05 wrote:As for the Trent Williams thing, even with the Crabtree thing Sherman tried to shake his hand. Jalen just seems to make it more personal and lacks respect for his opponents. When Sherman trash talked Brady, it's because Brady said "See us after the game when we win." Brady's a known trash talker

not disagreeing with the top parts, so I left them out, but Sherman doesn't trash talk out of any "response to other players' words"...Richard Sherman trash talks because for him it's part of the game. He may have toned it down recently (I haven't heard him mic'd up in awhile) but in years past he was always spouting off on his opponents. He's come out and said that they know he isn't disrespecting anyone, and that he does it as a form of gamesmanship on the field.

“You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time”

JR looks and speaks like an uneducated fool that does not know how to talk or express, but does have talent. Look at the way this guy answers his questions. Sherman on the other hand speaks intellegentlly and plays smart.

Baldwin has burned better corners; it will happen again. Sherman is a Stanford grad, majoring in communication, I would expect him to come off more articulate. I think the jags will put up a good fight, but in the end, they will lose.

Anyone catch the monologue Ramsey had about how AJ Green? It was definitely something

I hope Doug can get some good grabs on him, but it'll be really tough. I'd argue that Ramsey is already better than Sherman ever was, and that's saying something. He's just far more athletically gifted and is still learning the nuances of the game.

northseahawk wrote:JR looks and speaks like an uneducated fool that does not know how to talk or express, but does have talent. Look at the way this guy answers his questions. Sherman on the other hand speaks intellegentlly and plays smart.

Ramsey is a great player and in some ways it is exactly what Jacksonville needs. They have been a whipping boy for so long I think they need someone like Ramsey to give them a bit of swagger and make other teams pay attention. He is an outstanding cornerback and definitely one of the top 5 corners in the league. In a couple years he will probably be the best. He probably takes his trash talk a bit too far but I think he will tone it down in a year or two as he matures.

But I think Baldwin will make him look stupid a couple times this game. He will dead leg him and leave Jalen searching for his jock. And hopefully Baldwin can goad him into a personal foul or two.

RussB wrote:Ramsey might be the best corner in the league. He is a prick though, thats why AJ green strangled him. Hope baldwin beat him for a TD would be an epic serving of crow.

Ill take Xavier Rhodes over almost any other CB this year. He shut down Julio last week and made him look, dare I say, PEDESTRIAN

Xavier rhodes too. I cant decide whos better him or ramsey. Ramsey is just a freak athlete and can lock anyone down. Rhodes literally takes guys out of the game probably the hardest guy to beat in coverage.

Yeah, you're probably right. I think he could end up being better in a couple years. They're both elite though. On Rhodes, if you watch his matchup with Julio, Julio was getting separation pretty consistently, but Ryan was missing him. It's frustrating because he seemed to hit every pass even when Julio wasn't open against our guys, but the Minnesota defense seemed to have him completely confused. Then again, IDK if there's anyone in the league that can stick Julio.

adeltaY wrote:Anyone catch the monologue Ramsey had about how AJ Green? It was definitely something

I hope Doug can get some good grabs on him, but it'll be really tough. I'd argue that Ramsey is already better than Sherman ever was, and that's saying something. He's just far more athletically gifted and is still learning the nuances of the game.

adeltaY wrote:Anyone catch the monologue Ramsey had about how AJ Green? It was definitely something

I hope Doug can get some good grabs on him, but it'll be really tough. I'd argue that Ramsey is already better than Sherman ever was, and that's saying something. He's just far more athletically gifted and is still learning the nuances of the game.

I disagree. Plus Ramsey wears ugly hats.

Yea but ya kinda have to give him a pass on the hat, it’s not like he can wear a Seahawk hat while he’s still in their facility.

adeltaY wrote:Anyone catch the monologue Ramsey had about how AJ Green? It was definitely something

I hope Doug can get some good grabs on him, but it'll be really tough. I'd argue that Ramsey is already better than Sherman ever was, and that's saying something. He's just far more athletically gifted and is still learning the nuances of the game.

We're all waiting for your argument. NONE of Ramsey's stats are as good as Sherman's first couple years. (Not cherry-picking Sherman's stats, it's just that Ramsey hasn't finished his second season yet, and good CBs gain notoriety and start getting targeted less, so it's more accurate.)

Seriously, this guy is trying to punk Baldwin and Wilson? Watch Baldwin embarrass this punk and break his ankles. Just good? Really? Baldwin is probably at Largent level or damn well a sliver hair behind dummy. Precise routes are his game young fool.

We're all waiting for your argument. NONE of Ramsey's stats are as good as Sherman's first couple years. (Not cherry-picking Sherman's stats, it's just that Ramsey hasn't finished his second season yet, and good CBs gain notoriety and start getting targeted less, so it's more accurate.)

But, I'm waiting on your argument.

Yeah, I was wrong, he's not there yet, but I think he'll get there. I'm not sure how to find passer rating allowed stats, but Ramsey is allowing a 52.7 rating this year. It's hard to find these stats so I'm trying to piece them together. PFF says Sherm has allowed a 60.2 passer rating since 2014, but I known his best years were 2012-2014, so I'm sure it was lower then.

Film is subjective, but Ramsey seems like he's got the physicality and is definitely a superior athlete to Sherman. Once he further improves his technique and learns more of the nuances of the game.... watch out. This is no knock on Sherman, I'd rather have him than Ramsey (high first rounder) because he was a fifth round pick who was the best corner in the league for a while. Also, he's pretty cool.

We're all waiting for your argument. NONE of Ramsey's stats are as good as Sherman's first couple years. (Not cherry-picking Sherman's stats, it's just that Ramsey hasn't finished his second season yet, and good CBs gain notoriety and start getting targeted less, so it's more accurate.)

But, I'm waiting on your argument.

Ramsey is very good. Hes big , physical, and is fast as well. Guy is a dominant corner. Might be the best in the league, sherman i obviously past his prime but still top 5. Ramsey is already on the level sherman was in his prime to me thats no disprespect hes just that good.

adeltaY wrote:I hope Doug can get some good grabs on him, but it'll be really tough. I'd argue that Ramsey is already better than Sherman ever was, and that's saying something. He's just far more athletically gifted and is still learning the nuances of the game.

And that doesn't even include his 2012 and 2013 seasons which were statistically his best, with 16 interceptions, and a QB rating against of 41.1 and 47.3 when targeted (both comfortably the best rates in the league).

5 years at the top. Few corners EVER can lay claim to have been that dominant. Ramsey is nowhere near it yet, and Baldwin can and has trashed every cornerback he goes up against

We're all waiting for your argument. NONE of Ramsey's stats are as good as Sherman's first couple years. (Not cherry-picking Sherman's stats, it's just that Ramsey hasn't finished his second season yet, and good CBs gain notoriety and start getting targeted less, so it's more accurate.)

But, I'm waiting on your argument.

Ramsey is very good. Hes big , physical, and is fast as well. Guy is a dominant corner. Might be the best in the league, sherman i obviously past his prime but still top 5. Ramsey is already on the level sherman was in his prime to me thats no disprespect hes just that good.

Does Ramsey tackle? Because I judge corners on their full set of skills. While Deion Sanders was probably the greatest cover guy in the history of the NFL, he wasn't just a terrible tackler, he was an embarrassment. That's why I would take Sherman every day over any CB.

This kid doesn't understand what an angry Doug is. He is about to see that up close and personal. I can't wait to see him shaken out of his shoes. This is exactly the shit that fires our team up . I'm so happy this happened!

adeltaY wrote:Anyone catch the monologue Ramsey had about how AJ Green? It was definitely something

I hope Doug can get some good grabs on him, but it'll be really tough. I'd argue that Ramsey is already better than Sherman ever was, and that's saying something. He's just far more athletically gifted and is still learning the nuances of the game.

I disagree. Plus Ramsey wears ugly hats.

They both get their heads turned around, so I guess it's a wash?

They do. If wouldn’t call it a wash though. Sherms been doing it longer.

Im not going to hold it against him. Ramsey has that same bravado and confidence that Sherman had pre-Super Bowl title. If JR were a Seahawk he would certainly be fan favorite I think even with his attitude and trash talk.

Plus there is no denying it. The guy is an elite shutdown corner.

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We loved the same attitude and swagger Sherm had, you want your players to be confident. Especially if they can back it up. Though no CB really put up the numbers Richard did over that 6 year period, he needs to have a couple more seasons at this same caliber of play.

mistaowen wrote:We loved the same attitude and swagger Sherm had, you want your players to be confident. Especially if they can back it up. Though no CB really put up the numbers Richard did over that 6 year period, he needs to have a couple more seasons at this same caliber of play.

We're all waiting for your argument. NONE of Ramsey's stats are as good as Sherman's first couple years. (Not cherry-picking Sherman's stats, it's just that Ramsey hasn't finished his second season yet, and good CBs gain notoriety and start getting targeted less, so it's more accurate.)

But, I'm waiting on your argument.

Ramsey is very good. Hes big , physical, and is fast as well. Guy is a dominant corner. Might be the best in the league, sherman i obviously past his prime but still top 5. Ramsey is already on the level sherman was in his prime to me thats no disprespect hes just that good.

Does Ramsey tackle? Because I judge corners on their full set of skills. While Deion Sanders was probably the greatest cover guy in the history of the NFL, he wasn't just a terrible tackler, he was an embarrassment. That's why I would take Sherman every day over any CB.

Tackling is one of his strengths. He played safety and corner at FSU. Hes a complete corner just like sherman.

adeltaY wrote:I hope Doug can get some good grabs on him, but it'll be really tough. I'd argue that Ramsey is already better than Sherman ever was, and that's saying something. He's just far more athletically gifted and is still learning the nuances of the game.

And that doesn't even include his 2012 and 2013 seasons which were statistically his best, with 16 interceptions, and a QB rating against of 41.1 and 47.3 when targeted (both comfortably the best rates in the league).

5 years at the top. Few corners EVER can lay claim to have been that dominant. Ramsey is nowhere near it yet, and Baldwin can and has trashed every cornerback he goes up against

Exactly. Norman is a very good corner and Baldwin dominated him on a few plays. People saying Ramsey is better than Sherman was in his prime is utterly ridiculous.

GOHAWKS

CoolRodney wrote:This team has 3 talented players. That's it. I still can't believe we totally blew it in the Super Bowl. We won't be back any time soon.

Jalen is no Richard Sherman either. Bortles is no Wentz or Russ. But you will very likely here pretty much everyone on our team talk about how good the Jags are

As for the Trent Williams thing, even with the Crabtree thing Sherman tried to shake his hand. Jalen just seems to make it more personal and lacks respect for his opponents. When Sherman trash talked Brady, it's because Brady said "See us after the game when we win." Brady's a known trash talker

Sean Payton and Drew Brees are fans of Richard Sherman, and you know he talked trash during the games.

I don't think he said anything too worthy of the bulletin board. He was right about the media "hyping" people. We see it all the time. They even hype teams. What he said about Baldwin isn't false. He isn't Fitz and probably never will be. That doesn't make Doug bad.

That being said, RW is one of the most generous QBs playing. He distributes his passes to many receivers every game. That alone will eliminate Ramsey from having any large impact on this game.