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Sunday, May 3, 2009

On Saturday May 2 I hosted a public group discussion on RL/SL Crossover. It was a fabulous success and a lot of fun. You can't imagine how happy I am to see our little SL art community getting together in person, making new connections and sharing ideas on this virtual art revolution we are all pioneering and exploring. If you have any thoughts, please post some comments!

Sasun Steinbeck: well let's get started! Welcome everyone! 33 people here so we're going to be a tad laggySasun Steinbeck: I'm very excited about this discussion! First a quick reminder of the rulesSasun Steinbeck: 1) Keep questions on topic - RL/SL crossover. Let's not stray too far.Sasun Steinbeck: 2) Don't dominate the Q&A. Let others get their questions in.Filthy Fluno: here she goes with her rules again... jeeeeeshSasun Steinbeck: LOL shaddupSasun Steinbeck: 3) Don't get upset. Take a deep breath and keep calm. Don't take anything personally!Filthy Fluno: kEsch Snoats: 4) Ignore FilthySasun Steinbeck: 4) Sometimes questions are lost in a flurry of text. Be patient, wait and ask again.Sasun Steinbeck: LOLGoose Wycliffe: lolSasun Steinbeck: 5) Join the Art Gallery Owner's group to stay informed about future events!Sasun Steinbeck: and with that let me go over the format real quick, this is going to be just a big open discussion, what I'm hoping to do is have some people share their experiences with RL/SL "crossover" - whatever that may mean to you, so we can all learn from what you've doneSasun Steinbeck: and ask each other lots of questionsSasun Steinbeck: I've seen some awesome examples of crossover in action and would love to hear about some experiments and what has worked... or not... for youFilthy Fluno: can i just start off by congratulating and thanking Sasun for the work she does... i wrote an article for Art Calendar magazine this July and highlighted her website for the great gallery list.Sasun Steinbeck: aw thank you!Alanah Wildcat: .-'`'-. APPLAUSE APPLAUSE .-'`'-.Teal Freenote: yes very true... yay SasumSasun Steinbeck curtseysGoose Wycliffe: yes thanks Sasun for all you doFilthy Fluno: go to the stores and pick it up.. its not inworld, but in print and on their webSasun Steinbeck: if you IM me, there will be delays, btw :) I'm swampedSasun Steinbeck: I really wanted Filthy to be here to talk about what he's learned about crossing over into RLSasun Steinbeck: so Filthy maybe you can startSasun Steinbeck: we can all learn from you!Filthy Fluno: ok... first thing I've learned is that its no fucking picnicSasun Steinbeck: tell us the secretSasun Steinbeck: :DKatydid Something: LOLCarabella Babii: :)Filthy Fluno: long hours... aggrivation with technology not living up to what it could beFilthy Fluno: and managing a RL and SL simultaneous event takes a good team of peopleFilthy Fluno: that stuff aside...Filthy Fluno: the crossovers happen all over the placeFilthy Fluno: i've found SL'ers to be some of the most generous mentors to newbie artists looking to experience this worldFilthy Fluno: i mean.. .just last night a huge party of mentors and volunteersFilthy Fluno: it was fantastic music, art, design....Filthy Fluno: socializing was also off the chartsMolly Montale: http://www.artcalendar.com/home.aspFilthy Fluno: thanks molly!Filthy Fluno: so when you can mix a cool SL crowd into a RL event...Binary Quandry accepted your inventory offer.Filthy Fluno: it creates intrigue on both endsAlizarin Goldflake: nice seat Innovart :)Corcosman Voom: Third tryKristine Kristan: Hello Corcos!Filthy Fluno: i see it not only as artistic intrigueFilthy Fluno: but social intrigueFilthy Fluno: to mix the two once in a while really can be potentFilthy Fluno: my paintings are also a RL/SL gatewayFilthy Fluno: so i like to draw inspiration from both worldsGoose Wycliffe: well isn't half the battle with selling your art the social side....... getting to meet people and seeing new areGoose Wycliffe: artFilthy Fluno: yes... but i'm not talking about selling atmZena Zemlja: yay, made itFilthy Fluno: i'm saying.... i do a painting about the steam engine train up the street from my gallery in lowell and i mix it with SL imageryFilthy Fluno: so two points of view... one from the inworld, one from out here in lowell.. .where ever the painting happens to be displayed...Sasun Steinbeck: just a quick reminder for everyone to please REMOVE all non-critical scripted objects and turn off AO's plsFilthy Fluno: yupGoose Wycliffe: and everyone strip down nakieKiya McMahon: okay Filthy.. that's clear.. but how do you get rl people interested in sl stuff?Kiya McMahon: LOL GooseMar Dwi takes of his shoes. sorry for the smell guysCorcosman Voom: Bald will do nicely, GooseStarZ33 McCullough: hehee...MarEsch Snoats: Mar, we're use to Filthy's smell, so no worriesFilthy Fluno: i do it by running a RL gallery that's dedicated to exhibits and events tht mix RL and SL arts, artists, and eventsCarabella Babii: Filthy you run a gallery but how to get a gallery owner to be interestedKiya McMahon: and do you explain about SL and what it is and how it works?Kristine Kristan: Hello all, I am fairly new (3 months) to SL but I have a small gallery that I feature real life artists in....my brother and good friend -Inovart Tedeschi: Filthy . . . you run a RL gallery focused on your own work? Or do you also exhibit other artists?StarZ33 McCullough: Hello KristineFilthy Fluno: i exhibit other artistsBetty Tureaud: do enything works in SLKristine Kristan: I made SL analagous to a websiteFilthy Fluno: http://www.counterpartgallery.comKristine Kristan: in 3dFilthy Fluno: good question KiyaFilthy Fluno: there's many ways I supposeSasun Steinbeck: Done!Kristine Kristan: to explain to them, it seemed to workFilthy Fluno: first is that I'm always ready to show my stuffCorcosman Voom: A portfolioFilthy Fluno: kristine... its much more powerful than just a 3d webFilthy Fluno: in my opinoinFilthy Fluno: its interactions within the environment moreKristine Kristan: I know that, butut when explaining in the beieinning, it helped them get itBetty Tureaud: ???????????Filthy Fluno: ok yea... i gotchaKristine Kristan: Yes, I used the example that ratherthan static text oof a websiteKristine Kristan: I as gallery owner would interact w patronFilthy Fluno: niceGM Nikolaidis: I was fortunate enough to have some rl success selling sl images, due to the fact that the coffee shop owner knew what sl was. No explanation needed. Then viewers were intrigued enough to ask furtherFilthy Fluno: cool GMStarZ33 McCullough: Cool GMStarZ33 McCullough: hahaSasun Steinbeck: after Filthy I'd love to hear about someone's experience with a specific RL/SL crossover event and how it wentGoose Wycliffe: awsome GMCorcosman Voom: I would think approaching a gallery about SL art would be just like any other art. Digital works and installations are not foreign concepts these days.Filthy Fluno: oh.. btw.. they don't always go as expectedFilthy Fluno: lolDavideo Zelnik: "sl images" is interesting to me...Filthy Fluno: most of the time.. there's glichesKiya McMahon: hmm and I think that is it most.. coz SL seems to be a far away some virtual game to most people it's pretty hard explaining them from SL->RLKatydid Something: For a look at Filthy's media sucess see http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/08/magazine/08fluno-t.htmlFilthy Fluno: you just gotta roll with themDavideo Zelnik: do some see it as paintings? or photos? or ?Corcosman Voom: Does it matter if it is good?Briarrose Nightfire: I haven't used this with an art gallery yet, but I created an AV specifically for guests to come inworld. Has a coupleof different looks (male/female/ethnic variety) -- to enable someone to come inworld without having to go through the long learning curve.Corcosman Voom: Or.. if it is good, it does not matter : )Filthy Fluno: i really like the term "digital impressionism" I believe someone from Avatrait gallery used that term a while agoDavideo Zelnik: I observe a lot of RL art in SL...Sasun Steinbeck: If anyone takes photos of the event, I'd love to have a copy! thank you :)Molly Montale: http://rhizomatic.wordpress.com/GM Nikolaidis: digital art is a good catch-all, but on my linkedin page I refer to it as v-photography. Maybe I'll copyright it :PGM Nikolaidis: (kidding)Kristine Kristan: That's a great idea BriarroseDavideo Zelnik: and the best for me is... SL art in SL/Filthy Fluno: that's a cool one GMcre8tivefemme Chemistry: :)Alizarin Goldflake: yes, virtual photograph works!Filthy Fluno: another concept of crossover, is the idea that I can make somewhat of a traditional painting or drawing and then collaborate with an SL inworld artist to make it into a 3D virtual versionSowa Mai: the thing that seperates sl art from digital art or web based art is the interaction its almost like social media art in that the viewers are in the the artGM Nikolaidis: awesome Filthy!Davideo Zelnik: Orange County Museum of Art has an exhibit on now, includes Machinima of SL !! :-)Alanah Wildcat: : )Sasun Steinbeck: wow Davideo that's very excitingFilthy Fluno: sowa... its a great discussion to have... making art in a world that is ARTSowa Mai: machinima is still static and not interactivecre8tivefemme Chemistry: bravo :)Davideo Zelnik: a portal from SL into museum of RLFilthy Fluno: makes the old bowl of fruit on the table seem boring, as beautiful as it may beAlizarin Goldflake: immersive art, Sowa?Davideo Zelnik: would be great to have more of that.Filthy Fluno: many museums have featured SL art alreadyStarZ33 McCullough: Isnt there a Manhattan Live place to go to here in SL......where RL patrons can see us??Sigfred Rodenberger: In Aarhus, Denmark , the new county art gallery is showing art from SecondlifeSowa Mai: yes Immersive /interactiveAlly Aeon: yes Brooklyn is WatchingGoose Wycliffe: its Brooklyn Starz33Corcosman Voom: Brooklyn Is Watching, StarFilthy Fluno: hey Sasun... there's another project for you... RL museums and galleries that have featured SL art and artistsStarZ33 McCullough: Thats it ALLY!!Filthy Fluno: can you do that for tomorrow?StarZ33 McCullough: Thanks.......Love that siteTeal Freenote: lolDavideo Zelnik: SL-friendlySasun Steinbeck: that's an interesting question, maybe what we need is a new type of client that can allowe RL gallery visitors to interact with people/things in SL without sitting down and learning how the SL client works...StarZ33 McCullough: heheeBanrion Constantine: Italy has also had SL art in exhibitions through Uqbar.Sowa Mai: Biw is still outside looking inSasun Steinbeck: something completely different and totally intuitiveAlly Aeon: i like that idea SasunGM Nikolaidis: like a kiosk Sasun...love that ideaFilthy Fluno: yes. however, another way I've found galleries to get interested in my RL artworks is to call them up and offer them a free demonstration of SLSasun Steinbeck: there's a big project for some programmer, get to work on it already!Filthy Fluno: its a win win for them reallyGoose Wycliffe: yes that would be niceSowa Mai: I like the idea of renting av's for the exhibit. Keep a stock of alt s for your clientele to experience the workSasun Steinbeck: oooo interesting idea FilthyDavideo Zelnik: maybe a tie-in with SIGGRAPH?Molly Montale: Filthy, the New West show of 2006 was part of the ISEA annual show and featured SL art. displayed at the RL San Jose art musuemSasun Steinbeck: wow MollySasun Steinbeck: that was years ago, tooDavideo Zelnik: ISEA?Filthy Fluno: cool! yea San Jose is down with the SL art sceneInovart Tedeschi: One of the Old Testament ProphetsFilthy Fluno: SJMCA as wellFilthy Fluno: and the Tech Museum of InnovationFilthy Fluno: even though those mofo's turned me downStarZ33 McCullough: (taking a pic of Filty with some sexy legs sticking out of his belly)Filthy Fluno: they're still doing great connections and explorationsFilthy Fluno: sadly.. that's my best feature Star... let it ripStarZ33 McCullough: hahaCienega Soon: lolStarZ33 McCullough: is why I havent sat yet.........dont want to sit on someoneFilthy Fluno: so.. let's say there's a gallery in your neighborhood.. and you want to try to get a showFilthy Fluno: send them your stuff... don't be ashamed of the SL connection (which so many people are) put it right up frontAlizarin Goldflake: why are people ashamed of sl?Betty Tureaud: its a good idee to combinate Sasun Galleri HUD withe a AVI for fast entering in SLSowa Mai: sending stuff does not a gallery getAlizarin Goldflake: i think that is an interesting phenomGM Nikolaidis: to many in RL, SL=digital pornKatydid Something: it's always something new for people who have never heard of it or onlly seen it on TVZachh Cale: LOLStarZ33 McCullough: yep....GM is right....Corcosman Voom: Approaching a gallery with SL art is just like approaching them with any other artFilthy Fluno: Alizarin... yes... like digitial porn.. but also... its easy to tag yourself an artist in here so some artists feel like SL potentially waters down what they do as a serious means of self expressionAlizarin Goldflake: so that is the outside world's picture of SL?StarZ33 McCullough: People think its all about sex...when they hear "Virtual Game"....Alizarin Goldflake: we gotta change that!Filthy Fluno: to an extent that's true corocorsmanSowa Mai: it is a stigmaFilthy Fluno: its getting bettercre8tivefemme Chemistry: when is an artist nt an artist ?Filthy Fluno: trust me... galleries are catching onStarZ33 McCullough: Yes!! We do!! and it is getting better...I agree FilthyKiya McMahon: it's a stigma. and I think it'll be hard to change the worlds view on that.. but is it something you can use or will it work against you?Molly Montale: http://blog.electricsheepcompany.com/?p=91StarZ33 McCullough: all AVis are artists.....Look at us!!!!Beacara Boa: sorry, FilthyFilthy Fluno: it doesn't work against meStarZ33 McCullough: we are gorgeousGM Nikolaidis: they just need more exposure, and they will begin to understand. Just show a doubter any image by Harry Huffman, and they will be sold ?Davideo Zelnik: "SL art" is ambiguous, part of the Crossover issue is that Genres and labels are crossing over too, making art confusingMolly Montale: http://skydeas.smugmug.com/gallery/1779243#88517607_6dUx6Kiya McMahon: True DavideoDoran Forzane: Technically SL is a MMO. however it is also the only developed virtual colaboration tool of its kind at present.Nima Benoir: It's only ambiguous because right now it defys definitionDavideo Zelnik: what is art when there is so much art is a wonderful challenge... but a challengeTeal Freenote: well we faced the same thing with "digital art"Sowa Mai: what is your goal in being in a gallery? to be famous? to sell stuff? to be noticed?StarZ33 McCullough: To share.......Davideo Zelnik: ultimate questionsFilthy Fluno: i say... if you're art isn't blowing them away on the RL gallery scene, why not take another approach... tell the gallery you can help them have a presence in SLBetty Tureaud: Alpine Executive Center & Ice Caverns are proud to announce the Ice Sculpture Contest to choose a work to be shown on a Product Lauch Day of Unisys Corporation.Katydid Something: But I have seen some great totally SL based art which is has artisitc as any RL artCarabella Babii: Good suggestion FilthyTeal Freenote: very intersting FilthyFilthy Fluno: its RL art when the person behind the avatar makes a RL emotional connection with itBriarrose Nightfire: I've been working a lot lately in SL photography - and noticing how the images I create/document are very painterly. Ican imagine taking the original digital version & making a RL oil painting from them...except I don't have the RL materials I need to do so. So I have been wondering if the digital version would be acceptable.Sowa Mai: yes it is BriaroseFilthy Fluno: digital art is acceptable all over the placeTimothy Berkmans: Well, it really is about trying to use all the mediums to your advantage.Teal Freenote: Dont know why not Briar...StarZ33 McCullough: Of course BriarroseAlizarin Goldflake: why not Briarrose?Sowa Mai: it is what it isTeal Freenote: if you do a nice printBriarrose Nightfire: i don't know -- i guess because part of what MAKES the work is someone else's artFilthy Fluno: that's a good point briarFilthy Fluno: i think artists should always be sitedGM Nikolaidis: not everyone is going to like sl-art, just like not everyone likes charcoal drawingsFilthy Fluno: if you take a cool pic that totally abstracts someone's immersive sculpture.. .you need to say thatAlizarin Goldflake: any image that is in the public view is in the public domainSowa Mai: seated?GM Nikolaidis: for those that do like it, make good stuffCorcosman Voom: citedBriarrose Nightfire: right now i am doing a lot of realy wonderful shoots at romantic fantasy simSowa Mai: ohCorcosman Voom: as in citationFasttoes Foden: Briar, if you paint a RL building then isnt that the work of the architectBriarrose Nightfire: and the builder to me is an artistsFasttoes Foden: but its still your artAlizarin Goldflake: firhgt FasttoesBriarrose Nightfire: ah but all i needed to do was point and clickGM Nikolaidis: I strongly disagree BriaroseFasttoes Foden: its about how you interpet the subjectCienega Soon: do you that photo or paint in RL actually mention all the artists involved inyour image. landscaping, buildings, clothing, etcFilthy Fluno: yes.. still your art... its an ambiguous question to answerKiya McMahon: yes but that is like citing teh builder and architect in rl as well when you shoot the eiffel tower?GM Nikolaidis: you set up angles, lighting, the entire sceneLife Charron: but you decide the angolation,prospectiveAlizarin Goldflake: people take rl photos or rl buildings and sell them as their artBriarrose Nightfire: i suppose it could be considered similar to documentary phtograpyFilthy Fluno: probably personal preference wins out at this timeMolly Montale: something that I think is very cool is how Iris Ophelia works for a RL childrens magazine in canada. she has used pictures she has made in SL to illustrate short stories in print edition of the magazine. some are seen here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bleatingheart/sets/72157594230147766/Alizarin Goldflake: cool Molly!Filthy Fluno: niceCienega Soon: its public here just as well in RLFilthy Fluno: very coolSasun Steinbeck: wow very coolGoose Wycliffe: yes also when you take an sl snapshot it is of a unique point of view or perspective that othere may never have seen otherwiseStarZ33 McCullough: I would just site the location of the place the photo is taken at......StarZ33 McCullough: it is still your ARTAlizarin Goldflake: Juanita DeHaro made some builds for a german childrens bookMar Dwi: if I take a picture of Sasun. Do I have to cite who created her skin, her hair, her jacket, her skirt and her knickers?StarZ33 McCullough: hehee..MarCienega Soon: yes StarForce Kaul: Very cool MollySowa Mai: an art group i belong to recently had a lengthy debate about if we should allow photographers in. Seems a lot of the artists felt that photography wasnt art. so good luck with sl ,digital, and whatever is next. The new will always face barriersFilthy Fluno: depends on how you are presenting it MarBriarrose Nightfire: i know it reflects my own vision, but i am just so appreciative of the work that went into building the simSasun Steinbeck: no one is citing my knickers, thank you!Alizarin Goldflake: true SowaGM Nikolaidis: lolKristine Kristan: lolFilthy Fluno: been there done that sasunFilthy Fluno: lolWhet Snoodle: lolTimothy Berkmans: lolSasun Steinbeck: LOLStarZ33 McCullough: but if Sasun was advertising those knickers....than the artist would be sitedFilthy Fluno: but to get back to crossoverTeal Freenote: uh ohKatydid Something: yes!StarZ33 McCullough: gigglingForce Kaul: I found we had 10 times as many view of our website portal for our exhbition than we did SL visitors.Filthy Fluno: if you take an SL photo into a RL gallery curator or directorLife Charron: we all can take apicture of sasun and each of us would make a different picture - interpretation...its aquestion of "eye"Filthy Fluno: they're going to want to know about itStarZ33 McCullough: YES LIFE!!! that is excellentFilthy Fluno: and when they ask... what is this building there? you should have a good answerLife Charron: :)StarZ33 McCullough: we all would make a differernt pieceForce Kaul: http://forceplanet.com/pages/hothouse_flowers/hothouse_flowers.htmlCienega Soon: i agree FilthyFilthy Fluno: not like... oh I don't know really... someone made itLife Charron: and who looks at...can make different considerationsZena Zemlja: 'taking a picture '= photography = artLife Charron: see or not see things we want to highlightCorcosman Voom agrees with Filthy's pointForce Kaul: It seems like a basic part of the crossover has to be a web portal of some kindFilthy Fluno: that shows you are using an artistic mind to them... not necessarily to other artists though.. but for the crossover, you gotta be prepared for some semi-retarded questioningGoose Wycliffe: the VAA Photo hunt is a very good exampleAlizarin Goldflake: hheeGM Nikolaidis: like, "so it's a screenshot of a game then?"Sowa Mai: I dont think the simeltaneous rl/sl exhibit needs to be connected by electronics. I think we can have the shows a similar theme, photos of each,they dont even need to have their openings at the same timeZachh Cale: Well what is the point of crossover? Compelling art is just what it is, either it grabs you or it doesn't regardless of its source.Filthy Fluno: I agree Force... you gotta be prepared to show in many formats these daysGoose Wycliffe: 15 avs shoot photos in the same sim for and HOurGoose Wycliffe: and not any two are the same photoFilthy Fluno: well.. making art compelling is a whole other discussion ZachhMolly Montale: that we have control of subject, props, lighting, even depth of field in SL makes it far more than screen shots to meForce Kaul: I just think that your primary audience can't or won't come to sl is allFilthy Fluno: the point of crossover is for some artists who might like to sell art objects in both worldsSowa Mai: its just as well the lag can be terribleAlizarin Goldflake: why do we find the idea of crossovers so intriguing, I wonderFilthy Fluno: and for creative institutions and galleries to tap into a very interesting virtual audience and marketplaceAlizarin Goldflake: good FilthyCorcosman Voom: Because we love SL and want to show it off to the world, Ali?Sowa Mai: good question AlizarinAlly Aeon: well to the point of crossover you have an audience that is globalZachh Cale: What is the advantage to a RL gallery or museum to show "SL" art? That is another question, than looking outwards from SLFilthy Fluno: yayDavideo Zelnik: SL and Art are very existential primal experiencesStarZ33 McCullough: Cause we are Artists...and Artists like to "share what they see"Banrion Constantine: To share our experiences, open to a wider audience.Ally Aeon: as opose to a gallery around the cornerAlizarin Goldflake: i kind of feel like columbus going back to spain and saying you wont believe what i just discoveredSowa Mai: I like that hsare what we seeTimothy Berkmans: the reason why we find crossovers interesting, because SL is a relfection of usAlly Aeon: so crossover is an interssting conceptDavideo Zelnik: wonderful AlizFilthy Fluno: the difference is audience and acceptance into a somewhat fucked up communityFilthy Fluno: lolStarZ33 McCullough: SL is ALL ART!!! Everything out here is ART....I enjoy sharing it......Sowa Mai: a new aspect of us?Cienega Soon: lol AliZarinFilthy Fluno: the RL art world is nuts ya knowTimothy Berkmans: perhaps, SowaForce Kaul: Well, unless you have the eye of the Lindens to help you promote your work you have to use the web to find your audienceForce Kaul: Sl cannont exist in a vacuumStarZ33 McCullough: haha...Filthy.....!!! Isnt in SL too?? Nuts!!??Sowa Mai: some people have huge flickr followingsStarZ33 McCullough: yes......!! Flickr is an awesome toolCienega Soon: and some dontLife Charron: also facebook works wellZena Zemlja: some sl art ill ony work in sl like sculptures and some wil only work in rl, like rl sculptures, you'll never be able to get an exact virtual copyFilthy Fluno: some people are not interesting in selling their artworkMolly Montale: the Dresden gallery said that they have as many unique visistors monthly at their SL meseum as they have at the RL museum. the average stay for a visitor is virtually the same, too, around 45 minutesGoose Wycliffe: well we all are a bit nutsFilthy Fluno: and that's totally find and cool and dandyGoose Wycliffe: its what makes life interestingFilthy Fluno: when they "have to" it changes the equationsCorcosman Voom: : )Cienega Soon: artists are lovely nutsBetty Tureaud: yes ther is a lot off crak pots in SL but wow i love themStarZ33 McCullough: hehehe..Yes...Cienega......we All art Lovely Nuts!!!!Kiya McMahon: LOl CienMolly Montale: BTW... map shows 58 people here right now :)Betty Tureaud: lolSasun Steinbeck: I'd like to pause the discussion for a moment and do some quick introductions. Everyone please type in who you are and what you do now so we can read it back in the chat log later. This will be great for making some new connectionsSowa Mai: How do you define success in the arts in SL, and what should artists strive for?Filthy Fluno: I'm filthy fluno and I'm a one armed virtual paper hangerSowa Mai: IamFilthy Fluno: success is going to be different for each artist I thinkKimLenswomanPhotographer Writer: KimGottlieb-Walker, RL Photographer for 40 yearsSasun Steinbeck: My name is Sasun Steinbeck and I am the group owner of the Art Gallery Owner group and maintainer of the Galleries of SL list at http://sl-artgalleries.blogspot.comZachh Cale: SL is just a medium unless you believe the medium is the message lolTimothy Berkmans: Timothy Berkmans, Owner of Erotic Leigh Gallery at Third LifeAlizarin Goldflake: Alizarin Goldflake - immersive art in SL - digital drawings and abstract collages in rl - www.marthavista.comKorgi Lerwick: Hard to know how to define that Sowa..... compliments are unreliable are they are so easily given in hereBriarrose Nightfire: Briarrose Nightfire - i have run a coule of galleries showing my own work - i do both RL and SLartKiya McMahon: I'm Mc Mahon and with lolmac Shan we have the LW Gallery and we are both photographers as well.. as I am in rlForce Kaul: I am Force Kaul and i am the owner of Force Planet http://forceplanet.comGM Nikolaidis: I'm GM Nikolaidis, I do virtual photography (1.5 yrs), rl photography (long time), and clothing designAlly Aeon: Artist & Designer in both worlds virtual and physicalSowa Mai: just a medium!!!!Mater Rhode: Mater Rhode, Curator of the Untold Ark Gallery, weshow 30+ artistCatriana Ninetails: I'm Cat Ninetails, owner of Better World Gallery, I host monthly showings of sl and rl artists in addition to my own workNima Benoir: Hello My name is Nima Benoir artist, dark art and I run a gallery called 19Filthy Fluno: artists should strive for making art that captures the imagination of themselves and intended audienceEsch Snoats: I'm Esch Snoats, builder of Artropolis, artist for 28 years now working in digital mixed media and photography.Mar Dwi: Mar Dwi - creator of the SL Art Community Centre, a gallery for 28 artists. Currently working with Cre8tivefemme on a much larger gallery si.Mar Dwi: simMolly Montale: I studied photography for several years so that I can now sell vulgar tee shirts to newbies in Second Life :PCorcosman Voom: Corcosman Voom, curator of Chilbo Museum, dabbler and ne'er-do-well. Amateur artist for a lifetime.Beacara Boa: I'm Beacara Boa, LifeArt Gallery, Curator and Art teacher (Germany)Indigo Mertel: I am Indigo Mertel, I own the East River Community together with Espresso Saarinen where we run the Art'e GalleryEdgar Artaud: I'm Edgar Artaud, I manage a Mexican Gallery of RL Art in CERV campus in MujigaeBinary Quandry: Virtual artist - do it for fun, nothing to do with my RL (molecular biologist)Filthy Fluno: Esch hasn't changed his avatar in 2 years... he's killing usEm Larsson: My name is Em Larsson. I own the EMporium, Gallery M, and EMinent Interiors (interior design). I do RL photography presented in SL. Minimal RL exposure so far. Also build furniture and do interior design in SL.Betty Tureaud: I am Betty Tureaud an artrist in RL and SL, owner of Normanisan Straits Art GalleryFasttoes Foden: i am disabled, i cannot do art in RL, SL has opened up all kinds of possibilites for me... i operate a keyboard with my toes hence the nameDavideo Zelnik: Davideo Zelnik, owner MetaSpace Art Gallery, painter morphing into animatorKatydid Something: I think one of the coolest things we can exibit to RL is the total emerssion of Art is SL, with music and interactivity. Art here is almost like a "happening" and the SL experience can be shown in RLZena Zemlja: I'm Zena and I run several galleries in sl called Body, Mind & Spirit, with art that is either mystical, wiccan, sensual or kinkyAlizarin Goldflake: add to corco's "a great friend to have :)"Filthy Fluno: fastoes.. that sounds really coolEsch Snoats: I have too Filth... I'm wearing a different jacket now that LL screwed up my original one :DMolina Rhode: hello I am Molina Rhode owner of Molina's Gallery.....I'm only doing SL-art...pictures and sculpures :)Korgi Lerwick: Korgu Lerwick... co-owner of Fotoscope.... a sim for photography.... witha Fotoshop, Freefall, RL and SL galleries..... and a rather unfriendly octopus!Fasttoes Foden: tyFasttoes Foden: it isEarl Dinkin: Canadian dream artist with 8 secondlife galleries hoping to sell the 696 orginals for $10 million dollars.Fasttoes Foden: lolNathaniel Somerset: I am Nathaniel SOmerset, SL and RL photogrpaher. imagraft photogrpahy is my galleryBetty Tureaud: ha haSasun Steinbeck: thanks everyone!Kristine Kristan: I'm Kristine Kristan, I run the K2Gallery in the Chilbo Community where i hosst RL artists and also make virtual glass art.Carabella Babii: Hello I am Carabella Babii, owner of CB photography, Eclectic Sim, co-owner Eostara Gallery, and private collectorFreeWee Ling: FreeWee LIng, owner of Galerie de la Vie on Artemisia.Maya Paris: I'm Maya Paris and i make Bluestocking Gallery interactive art projects- sometimes musicalKorgi Lerwick: sheesh... I can't even spell my own name!!!!!Life Charron: I am Life Charron owner of Streamlife gallery and B/w Photographer.my gallery changes togehter with the changing styles of Artist.Creativity.Sharing.Innovating.New ideas.passionFilthy Fluno: who what Earl???Corcosman Voom: Yay, Earl. Good to have a big goal.Alizarin Goldflake: yay Artemesia!Briarrose Nightfire: Sasun, I have an idea for some follow-ups to this. It would be great if there were a couple of prims we could add our textures to ((one at a time) so we could do a "show & tell" about our work & get feedback.Teal Freenote: Teal Freenote - owner Gallery Freenote, Freenote Sculpture Garden, Curator Raglan Shire Tree Gallery, Organizer Raglan Shire Art WalkDoran Forzane: Doran Forzane, Gallery owner, content creator and systems analyst in RLKatydid Something: I am Katydid Something and I have a digital imagery gallery in WichiSasun Steinbeck: If anyone has some "RL crossover" experience to share, we'd love to hear! Speak up!StarZ33 McCullough: Hey everyone...I'm StarZ33 McCullough ..owner of StarZ Art Gallery.....12 artists are featured thereGM Nikolaidis: Katy, that is the coolest name everSisse Singh: My name is Sisse Singh and I am a danish artist in RL and co owner of Shakers art galleryKatydid Something: TY!Alanah Wildcat: Alanah Wildcat Photographer and Curator Of the MystsTeal Freenote: I show sl images of my rl digital work, have sold a couple rl pieces that wayStarZ33 McCullough: hah..StarZ Art Corner..........(I cant type either)Sasun Steinbeck: we have 10 minutes left so get those questions in, tooAlizarin Goldflake: well I worked with Misprint Thursday on a SL presentation in the Boston Public Library last satudayCienega Soon: my name is Cienega Soon I own Cienega Soon gallery on my Misali Island, I am an artist mentor. I own Juicy Gallery for exhibiting new SL artists http:/www.cienegasoon.com, SL resident since 12/06Alizarin Goldflake: filthy was thereSowa Mai: I did an exhibit in Ny and recreated it in a sl gallery. Just paintings and photos and one piece i redid in sl which was closer to the way i wanted it but couldnt in rl.KimLenswomanPhotographer Writer: My Warhol photo was seen by someone who represents the RL Warhol gallery and they were very exceited...but they didn't follow upCorcosman Voom: The Boston Art MobAlizarin Goldflake: hehe corco - we had a blast!Filthy Fluno: holy moly... look at this crowd!Teal Freenote: And actually I am thinking of some way to reach out to Europe, because the folks in here that buy the virtual rl pieces are 90% EuropeanMar Dwi: we've been talking about inovative RL/SL crossover stuff. Maybe it's good to mention that many artists create crossover art in a one way direction. By bringing their RL art to SL. In that way, almost all SL artists have experience with cross over artSasun Steinbeck: 59 here, wow. I love you all :)Fasttoes Foden: i have a question... when printing off SL at a high print quality, do you need a special print or is the paper more importantAlizarin Goldflake: point Mar!Korgi Lerwick: Fotoscope is my RL and my SL photography business....... with parallel websites....... although some RL only folks have shown interest in my SL work no-one has yet considered parting with money for it!Davideo Zelnik: Can anyone name a SL-friendly gallery in LA?Sowa Mai: thats interesting to note tealKimLenswomanPhotographer Writer: And there is a possibility an Amsterdam Gallery may do an exhibit of my photos because of the dutch woman's sim who has a retrospective of my workFilthy Fluno: very true MarStarZ33 McCullough: Yes....I bring in my RL art......every day pretty much.....Lazlo Yoshikawa: I am the owner of Twilight Art Museum and Gallery. Kerry Streeter manages the Gallery.Life Charron: true MarAlizarin Goldflake: you need a good printer. the right paper, and the right profileStarZ33 McCullough: LoVE to Share my Worlds with people in SL and in RLFilthy Fluno: cool Kim!Alizarin Goldflake: profiles are crucialGoose Wycliffe: i need to go can someone send me this chat am not feeling well and having trouble following alongFasttoes Foden: what is a profileStarZ33 McCullough: ooh.....Goose...hope you feeel better...??Alizarin Goldflake: tells the printer how much ink to put downCorcosman Voom: Bye, Goose, rest upStarZ33 McCullough: think Sasun is copying...Alizarin Goldflake: different papers have different profilesGoose Wycliffe: thanksTimothy Berkmans: bye GooseSasun Steinbeck: yep I'm saving a chat logTeal Freenote: You can consult with a digital printer that does giclees for artists... for printing, they can helpFasttoes Foden: like glossy etcAlizarin Goldflake: bye goose feel betterFilthy Fluno: bye goosterEm Larsson: I'll send it GooseEm Larsson: Take care.Life Charron: take care gooseFasttoes Foden: ok, ty tealCienega Soon: high res is important for printing no matter whatCorcosman Voom: Once you are ready for serious printing, have a pro in your area discuss giclee pricesTeal Freenote: yes resolution of the fileAlizarin Goldflake: i print some things at 16 ppi lolAlizarin Goldflake: there is an exception to everythingTeal Freenote: true Alizarin :)Fasttoes Foden: okFilthy Fluno: lol.. 16 ppi!Sowa Mai: any artist grants for sl?Alizarin Goldflake: beautiful pixels!!Maya Paris: has anyone have an opinion on Imagekind's print-quality?Filthy Fluno: hey Alizarin... how did you do at the BPL? That stuff looked soooooo killer!Keokipele Ansar: Keokipele Ansar here . . . Vulcania Graphics & Fine Art . . . http//www.vgafa.com for info on gicleee printing services in RL :))Alizarin Goldflake: australia gave out $100,000 in artists grantsKeokipele Ansar: http://www.vgafa.comDavideo Zelnik: This is an amazing group. I am excited to be in such creative and adventurous company :-)Briarrose Nightfire: oh - is anyone else here using facebook with their avatar's names?Alizarin Goldflake: ty :)Teal Freenote: :DSasun Steinbeck beamsAlizarin Goldflake: that wasnt 16Sowa Mai: lets do another meeting Sasun?Carabella Babii: yesGM Nikolaidis: yes BriarroseIndigo Mertel: I amFilthy Fluno: no... but i know hunderds that doLife Charron: I am sorry i have to go,thank you Sasun:)byebye everyoneFilthy Fluno: by lifeCarabella Babii: to Briarrose questionKiya McMahon: bye LifeStarZ33 McCullough: Yes.....another meeting would be cool........Sasun Steinbeck: we sure will Sowa!Life Charron: bye!!hugsGM Nikolaidis: bye LIfeFasttoes Foden: bye lifeStarZ33 McCullough: bye LifeAlizarin Goldflake: we have brought up dozens of topics here that deserve to be explored in more depthFasttoes Foden: oooops... we are dead now...Filthy Fluno: one more crossover aspect... publicity, newspapers, real paper stuffCatriana Ninetails nodsDavideo Zelnik: very stimulating indeedKatydid Something: Maybe we could publish facebook names of those who wish to network that wayBriarrose Nightfire: these meetings are always so productiveNima Benoir: This meeting has that epic feel, we need more!Kristine Kristan: I'd like to get together with folks, maybe in smaller groups for brainstorming sessions, maybeSasun Steinbeck: we have 3 min left so if anyone needs to run off to another appointment or event, I wanted to thank you for coming! please feel free to hang out and chat some more, we'll hang out for a while and chatKristine Kristan: as well, less lagFilthy Fluno: they can really drive people to your artwork... even if most people don't get it... it still will help seperate you from the herdSasun Steinbeck: remember to send me your photos of the meeting before you go!Indigo Mertel: thank you, Sasun!Terje Chengpang: i've been reticent to expose my sl life into rl - people not in here don't fully get itzephyru Zapedzki: hicre8tivefemme Chemistry: thank you :)Corcosman Voom: Thanks so much for organizing and hosting us, SasunMolly Montale: Sasun, I know of people with the Arkansas State art dept who wanted to be here but had scheduling problems. one conducts classes in SL. the other shows RL art in SL. Also the Dorkbot group would be good to have at a future meetingCatriana Ninetails: Yes, thank you SasunGM Nikolaidis: hardcopy always feels more engaging to me. At the shop where I show some pieces, I'm considering putting together a book of images for a coffee tableIndigo Mertel: bye everyone :)Kristine Kristan: thank you Sasunzephyru Zapedzki: i miss the meeting right?Filthy Fluno: terje... you're an artist... not many people are gonna get you most of the timeAlizarin Goldflake: yes people act like ive lost my mind when i tell them about slWhet Snoodle: Whhhoooo! Sasun!StarZ33 McCullough: Yes....Sasun...thanks for ALL you do for all the Galleries here in SL.....!!!!Filthy Fluno: i say that very respectfullySasun Steinbeck: yes scheduling is always tricky, thank youFilthy Fluno: i'll shuddup nowSasun Steinbeck: hi Zeph! Don't worry I'll publish the chat logTimothy Berkmans: thank for hosting this event, Sasun.. very interestingTerje Chengpang: haha! right filthy!Carabella Babii: Thank you SusanGM Nikolaidis: /chat lag offFasttoes Foden: its been good Sasun, tyEm Larsson: thanks verymuch for going to the trouble of organizing this Sasun.Force Kaul: Thank you Sasunzephyru Zapedzki: great ideaSasun Steinbeck: LOL GMGM Nikolaidis: ty SasunCienega Soon: Susan is my hero!!!!!!!!!!Em Larsson: There is obviously huge interest.Esch Snoats: Thanks Sasun, it's been a long time coming for this meeting. Hope to have more soonSasun Steinbeck: you're very welcome!! I love you all!StarZ33 McCullough: YAY!!!!!Molly Montale: \o/GM Nikolaidis: yay, she loves me!Alizarin Goldflake: we love you!Nima Benoir: Wonderful Sasun Thanks you!Davideo Zelnik: Thank you SasunSasun Steinbeck: yeah I need to do these more often and please feel free to pester me if I don't!!Corcosman Voom applauds mightilyAlanah Wildcat: .-'`'-. APPLAUSE APPLAUSE .-'`'-.Terje Chengpang: hip hip! SaSUn!!!Binary Quandry: ty sasunEm Larsson: lolAlly Aeon: Thank you SasunKiya McMahon: gawd guys thanks Sasun.. and thank you all for sharingAlanah Wildcat: YAY! (yay!)Em Larsson clapsKeokipele Ansar: wohoo ^^Maya Paris: thanks SasunAlly Aeon: also to FilthySasun Steinbeck: thank you :)Teal Freenote: YAYMar Dwi: thank you Sasun. Hope to see more meetings like this in futureKiya McMahon: sounds pretty AA, I know :-DSasun Steinbeck: we sure will!Ally Aeon: thanks for giving us your insidesKristine Kristan: ???? APPLAUSE!!! ????Cienega Soon: ive jotted Susan down in my pestering notebook :)GM Nikolaidis: thanks Filthy, great ideas you've got in your headLazlo Yoshikawa: Thank you SasunCienega Soon: Applause!!!!!Sasun Steinbeck: BTW this chat log WILL be published, so just FYISasun Steinbeck: let me know if you want me to edit something out :)GM Nikolaidis: pls delete the stuff I said about Filthy's momSasun Steinbeck: HAHAHTeal Freenote: hahahaKiya McMahon: lolSasun Steinbeck: I'm keeping that inSowa Mai: lolEsch Snoats: please delete the stuff that Filthy saidFilthy Fluno: sasun.. .please edit my comments and make me look more smarterFilthy Fluno: GM!Sasun Steinbeck: LOL!Filthy Fluno: how dare you!!!GM Nikolaidis: LOLFilthy Fluno: my mom's a brownie making angel!Cienega Soon: hahah FilthyEsch Snoats: Yeah but it's not the kind of brownies you can give kidsAlizarin Goldflake: is that how you came out brown?StarZ33 McCullough: hehee..EschSasun Steinbeck: thank you all again for coming, this was so much fun. I hope you all learned something new or got excited over something you heard today :)Teal Freenote: Fabulous! Yay to everyoneSasun Steinbeck: if you're not busy, hang out for a while longer and chatFilthy Fluno: why does my mom have to come up at art talks peopleGM Nikolaidis: ty all for a great, yet hard to follow conversationCorcosman Voom: And if anyone wants to see how one man does it, visit Filthy's websiteFilthy Fluno: she will read the transcripts... and cross you off of her listsKimLenswomanPhotographer Writer: I'm sorry I got here late...sick in bed...::cough...cough::StarZ33 McCullough: many Conversations GM.....Alizarin Goldflake: good thot corcoStarZ33 McCullough: hahahStarZ33 McCullough: ws fun...Filthy Fluno: i love you mom!Molly Montale: Sasun, do you have any upskirt photos? Do you want any??Teal Freenote: hahaCorcosman Voom: HehStarZ33 McCullough: I love your mom too!!!StarZ33 McCullough: hahahaSasun Steinbeck: omg MollyKristine Kristan: Have a great day everyoneLazlo Yoshikawa: I have to return to RL. This was a wonderful gathering ;)Sasun Steinbeck: LOLStarZ33 McCullough: see you all.......Sasun Steinbeck: thanks for coming!Alizarin Goldflake: molly!!Esch Snoats: Later all, thanks again!Mar Dwi: I definately have to some food for thoughts now Sasun. How I can provide more cross over facilities for the artists at the SLACC (and my future art estate)Whet Snoodle: Bg smileLazlo Yoshikawa: thank youMater Rhode: RL calls, tata for nowGM Nikolaidis: good day all, and I'm still waiting for those brownies in the mail dude :o)StarZ33 McCullough: this was GREAT Sasun........!!!Sasun Steinbeck: excellent MarMaya Paris: Bye everyone, thanks for a great meetingTerje Chengpang: rock on All!Lazlo Yoshikawa: Bye, allSasun Steinbeck: bye bye!Filthy Fluno: bye byeStarZ33 McCullough: YAY Mar!!! (I'm one of his Artists ...hehehe)Kiya McMahon: Thank you all.. and hope to meet you again!Betty Tureaud: bye bye allCorcosman Voom: Lag-o-liciousStarZ33 McCullough: bye all.........cre8tivefemme Chemistry: thank you :)Molly Montale: nice sim by the way :)Sasun Steinbeck: you can thank Galea! Our wonderful hostessEdwardIV Beaumont: interesting meeting...thanks Sasun...take care all..Sasun Steinbeck: she provided the sim here for usCienega Soon: thanks for your attention to details Susan ... you make SL art notiable .. i appreciate your time and effortsSasun Steinbeck: thank you Cienega!Whet Snoodle: Yes apluaseSasun Steinbeck: You guys make all the work worthwhile, this is the best community in SL hands downKatydid Something: Thanks Sasun! Great meeting! Everyone have a great day!Cienega Soon: :)Sasun Steinbeck: :)KimLenswomanPhotographer Writer: absolutely!Terje Chengpang: excellent group!

POST-MEETING CHAT

Sasun Steinbeck: well now is a good time to go completely off topic but of interest to gallery ownersAlizarin Goldflake: ok over and out for AliAlizarin Goldflake: thanks sooo much - this was greatSasun Steinbeck: if anyone has any comments or questions for the group, go for it. We're just hanging out chatting at this pointSasun Steinbeck: thank you Alizarin :)Alizarin Goldflake: :)Briarrose Nightfire: ok back to work -- thank you sasun & everybody --this has been great, and inspiring, & it came at just the right time for me!Whet Snoodle: Now.. If I can onlt get this many per day at my gallery... *laughingSasun Steinbeck: LOLSasun Steinbeck: I'm amazed we never crashed the sim heheFilthy Fluno: good seeing you again briarroseTerje Chengpang: very good to see you all!Filthy Fluno: seeya sasun!Sasun Steinbeck: seeya Filthy!Fasttoes Foden: we will have to do these meetings on location in galleries... maybeSasun Steinbeck: thanks so much for comingFilthy Fluno: gives esch the fingerSasun Steinbeck: LOLWhet Snoodle: lolSasun Steinbeck: Fasttoes I usually set top priority to lagDoran Forzane: na, didnt come close to crashing it. I was watching its resourceszephyru Zapedzki: well i hope next time im not the out of time man againSasun Steinbeck: this is the perfect simFasttoes Foden: i guesss soAlanah Wildcat: bye Sasun thanks so muchKimLenswomanPhotographer Writer: You can use my love-in park for a meeting anytimeSasun Steinbeck: not a lot of textures around to rez and very low script activity herezephyru Zapedzki: see you all soon, ty Sasunzephyru Zapedzki: byeSasun Steinbeck: bye bye!Mar Dwi agrees with Sasun: I diden't crashSasun Steinbeck: yeah it's a miracle lolDavideo Zelnik: so much here in SL to learn, see, do, enjoy... until next time, ty very much allSasun Steinbeck: I've never done one of these meetings without a crashFasttoes Foden: perhaps you could organise tours... or recommend galleries to visit... there are so many in SLSasun Steinbeck: oh that is definitely on my list!Fasttoes Foden: hard to know where to startMar Dwi: Sasun allready recommends galleries to visit on her websiteZeta Ida: I am Zeta Ida, gallery owner, named Carpe Diem, The Garden of Art & Inspiration. I come late but I will read the chatSasun Steinbeck: seeing that I have a galery tour hud that has a cool "guided tour" mode already built in and all!Nima Benoir: Does anyone write a gallery blog?Davideo Zelnik: I am overwhelmed with Beauty and ImaginationAlly Aeon: yes meSasun Steinbeck: Nima, please take a look at http://sasun.info. I have a consolidated gallery owner RSS feed that I'm working on thereNima Benoir: Oh cool, I'll definatley check it out!Teal Freenote: that's what keeps me here Davideo :) in slAlly Aeon: http://web.me.com/bruttin/S&S_Gallery_of_Fine_Arts/Home.htmlNima Benoir: Okay thanksSasun Steinbeck: this is a consolidated feed of all the websites and galleries that gallery kiosk owners specify in their kiosk settingsDavideo Zelnik: SL keeps getting bigger and betterSasun Steinbeck: it's under construction and will be improvingin quality as time goes onMar Dwi: maybe this is a nice subject to talk about now: I'm very jealous of the educators who seem to be great friends with LL. What could the SL art scene do to get similar promo and discounts from LL?Sasun Steinbeck: but I think that's one of the KEY ways gallery owners should promote their gallery - set up a simple blog for your gallery to announce eventsNima Benoir: Right??!!Sasun Steinbeck: if I can get the consolidated feed going, that will be a great one-stop shopping palce to get all kinds of good gallery newsSasun Steinbeck: hm good question MarMar Dwi: I think Sasun's efforts are a step in the right directionCienega Soon: i agree SasunCienega Soon: i will redo my blog and send you the linkSasun Steinbeck: I am a huge fan of the Fashion World of SL feedNima Benoir: I'm surprised LL doesn't put more into promoting the cultural aspects of SLWhet Snoodle: WooT!Terje Chengpang: Sasun's "art galleries of sl" page is excellentSasun Steinbeck: I want to do that for gallery owners... it's actually done.. it works, just need to clean it up and improve the qualityMar Dwi: could you give me the URL Sasun?Sasun Steinbeck: so if you have a blog, stick it in your .User settings notecard in your kiosk and it will automatically be picked up for the consolidated feedSasun Steinbeck: http://sasun.infoSasun Steinbeck: go there and subscribe to the RSS feedSasun Steinbeck: there's one for fashcon too that I'm working on as wellMar Dwi: I meant the Fashion World SLSasun Steinbeck: oh!Sasun Steinbeck: sorrySasun Steinbeck: 1 momentSasun Steinbeck: http://fashionplanet.worldofsl.com/Molly Montale: http://fashionplanet.worldofsl.com/Sasun Steinbeck: it's freaking hugeSasun Steinbeck: you have to be dedicated to keep up with it lolMar Dwi: thanks!Zeta Ida: yes, thanks SasunSasun Steinbeck: I'd love to see one big RSS feed and all the gallery owners blogging away announcing their events, which automatically get picked up into the one consolidated feed that everyone can subscribe to to keep up with events, news, etc.Mar Dwi: that would be great!Teal Freenote: Thanks so much Sasun and great to meet you all .Cienega Soon: yes id love to see that tooSasun Steinbeck: so go home and start a blog, then put the URL to your blog in your .User Settings card in your gallery kiosk!Mar Dwi: (I recently discovered RSS and love it)Sasun Steinbeck: heheh yesTerje Chengpang: very good idea!Sasun Steinbeck: I'm a big fan of google readerSasun Steinbeck: but there are other good rss aggregators out there. Go explore, lots of galleries have blogs and feedsDavideo Zelnik: I gotta go... my head and heart are full, thanks again, good to be here with you all.Sasun Steinbeck: thanks for coming!Terje Chengpang: osmosis amoebas. thank you Sasun!!!!Nima Benoir: Where can we find it?Cienega Soon: bye DavideoNima Benoir: When it's done?Sasun Steinbeck: find what?Nima Benoir: Or ready, lol,Fasttoes Foden: i have to go now.... great to meet everyoneNima Benoir: The log of this meeting,Sasun Steinbeck: I will send it outFasttoes Foden: thanks again sasunSasun Steinbeck: both to the in world group and directly to the kiosk ownersNima Benoir: Thanks so much, this was great, I'm out too, nice see all you fellow artists!Cienega Soon: thanks Sasun ..bye everyone *waves*Nima Benoir: : )Sasun Steinbeck: take care!!!Sasun Steinbeck: thanks for coming!Sasun Steinbeck: so glad the sim held up to the strain lolSasun Steinbeck: we were bursting at the seamsSasun Steinbeck: I think we hit 60 max?Timothy Berkmans: very cool that we are still here... *grinsAlly Aeon: thanks again Sasun have to goZeta Ida: well, I live in Europe :)Whet Snoodle: I am so glad that I could make itAlly Aeon: bye everyoneSasun Steinbeck: thanks for coming!Molly Montale: I need to run. this was very cool, Sasun. thanks :)Doran Forzane: and at one stage 15 child agentsMolly Montale wavesWhet Snoodle: byeSasun Steinbeck: ta ta!Mar Dwi: maybe you've told this before Sasun but I was kinda distracted by my cat. If I link a blog to the kiosk, I can get an RSS feed of my blog together with all other blogs linked to the kiosk?Sasun Steinbeck: yesSasun Steinbeck: exactlySasun Steinbeck: at http://sasun.infoMar Dwi's jaw drops. That is absolutely amazingSasun Steinbeck: haha is that cool or whatZena Zemlja: maybe it's a good idea to run a meeting of this goup every moonth or so, there are so many ideas to shareSasun Steinbeck: I wrote a program that actually goes out to all the websites that people list in their kiosk settings and discovers any existing RSS feedsSasun Steinbeck: puts them all together into one consolidated feed, removing duplicatesSasun Steinbeck: it's just out of date today, but I'll fix that real soonZeta Ida: it sounds interestingSasun Steinbeck: a lot of people put all kinds of weird things in for their website setting in their kiosk, like their cat website or business website or rwhateverSasun Steinbeck: so I have to weed those out manuallySasun Steinbeck: but it's all automatic, just get a blog and put the url in there!Sasun Steinbeck: it was an amazing pain in the ass getting that to workWhet Snoodle: I woiuld thinkZachh Cale: oh I bet!!!Sasun Steinbeck: I know more about the f*cked up RSS and atom standards than I ever want to knowZachh Cale: Sasun you help create that networking infrastructure which keeps us togetherTimothy Berkmans: lolWhet Snoodle: Im being stubbourn about leaving I midded the forst 20 min. heheSasun Steinbeck: that's my goal :)Whet Snoodle: *missedSasun Steinbeck: well you can read teh chat log when I get that cleaned upZachh Cale: looks like you're succeedingSasun Steinbeck: well thank you, that makes me very happy :)Sasun Steinbeck: I've seen this community grow for many yearsSasun Steinbeck: it's been incredibly exciting :)Whet Snoodle: Do we need to remove existing Kiosks to place the new ones?Sasun Steinbeck: no, not at allSasun Steinbeck: I do have a new kiosk design coming out soonWhet Snoodle: ok thyank youMar Dwi: oh, I always wanted to ask you. How did you end up in the SL art scene to begin with? Your sculpture?Sasun Steinbeck: but I'll send out info on that when it's readySasun Steinbeck: yes Mar, exactlyWhet Snoodle: Witl this next version reflect on the Kiosk System owners versions soon after?Sasun Steinbeck: I ran into Siefert Surface's simSasun Steinbeck: and saw all his wild mathematical artSasun Steinbeck: and in trying to duplicate some of his crazy prims, I failed miserablySasun Steinbeck: so I tried scripting some prims to change shapeSasun Steinbeck: that started me ona long journey to learn scriptingSasun Steinbeck: next thing you know I have this sculpture that my old friend said was pretty neat lookingDoran Forzane: needs those old particals back in it though........lolSasun Steinbeck: and she stuck it in her galleryWhet Snoodle: coolSasun Steinbeck: so I was a starving artist at one point lolSasun Steinbeck: shopping my wares around to various galleries trying to get inSasun Steinbeck: back then there was just a handful of galleries in SLSasun Steinbeck: hard to believeSasun Steinbeck: now, 650 and countingTimothy Berkmans: wowZachh Cale: yes!Sasun Steinbeck: hahah you like those old particles huhZena Zemlja smilesSasun Steinbeck: I've heard that froma few people :)Doran Forzane: no, just someone we both know who doesSasun Steinbeck: LOLSasun Steinbeck: well I've been luckySasun Steinbeck: I pretty much fellin love with the artist community back thenSasun Steinbeck: and have been nudging it along ever since thenTimothy Berkmans: with a few swift kicks as well?Sasun Steinbeck: hahah and a few swift kicksSasun Steinbeck: Pathfinder Linden was maintaining the list of art galleries back thenSasun Steinbeck: I took it from him since I kept sending him update after updateWhet Snoodle: Smatry gurlSasun Steinbeck: it was one less thing for him to do LOLMar Dwi smiles: I bet he apreciated thatSasun Steinbeck: yes, even though it was only like a dozen galleries on the listSasun Steinbeck: he's just a slacker lolWhet Snoodle: laughingSasun Steinbeck: after it got big it became an enormous pain in the butt to keep up to dateSasun Steinbeck: big as in, over 50 or soSasun Steinbeck: so I wrote the kiosk system to make my life simplerSasun Steinbeck: now I can do updates of the in world list, the website, and the tour HUD in about 20 min a weekSasun Steinbeck: plus a lot of running around checking closed galleries and missing kiosksWhet Snoodle: Yes ppl that I have in my Kiosk System start and stop things without notice a lotMar Dwi: wow, that's less work than running a museumSasun Steinbeck: hahaha that's the goalSasun Steinbeck: you see I'm basically lazyZachh Cale: yeah real lazySasun Steinbeck: I work hard at being lazySasun Steinbeck: LOLZachh Cale: thats how all that got doneWhet Snoodle: Its an artSasun Steinbeck: the kiosks save me enormous timeSasun Steinbeck: FashCon runs on the same systemMar Dwi: I am lazier. I'm too lazy to learn to script, even if it could enable me to be lazier in futureZachh Cale: is that a fashion listSasun Steinbeck: HAHAHSasun Steinbeck: yes it is, similar to my gallery listSasun Steinbeck: fashcon.comSasun Steinbeck: Honey Fairweather runs itSasun Steinbeck: so they have kiosks too, and tour HUDs - same as mineZachh Cale: don't you love SL namesSasun Steinbeck: and a list on their websiteSasun Steinbeck: LOLWhet Snoodle: We gotta have itWhet Snoodle: Fashion is just as importand as any art formSasun Steinbeck: I hope to see more artists learn LSLSasun Steinbeck: yeah I'd agree WhetSasun Steinbeck: I'd love to see mroe crossover thereSasun Steinbeck: I don't know what that meansSasun Steinbeck: someone more imaginative than me will explore that space between both worlds, I'm sure :)Whet Snoodle: Designers do all kinds of things at once clothes , art, designSasun Steinbeck: yes and they actually make money at what they doSasun Steinbeck: unlike most of us starvin' artists lolWhet Snoodle: Keen pintZena Zemlja: some sl outfits are artSasun Steinbeck: yes I'd agreeWhet Snoodle: Point*Zachh Cale: yeah, "art" and "revenue" rarely in same sentenceSasun Steinbeck: I always tell new artist residentsMar Dwi: well, there are loads of fashion designers in SL who don't make money. I used to be one :)Sasun Steinbeck: if it's money you're after, make sex ballsSasun Steinbeck: don't do art LOLSasun Steinbeck: do it for the love of itZena Zemlja: lolSasun Steinbeck: money may or may not come laterSasun Steinbeck: you have to love it so much you don't care about the money to survive the hard timesWhet Snoodle: yes that is true to RL and a really good pointSasun Steinbeck: yeah true of RL tooSasun Steinbeck: people sometimes expect too much and dont' sell and view it as a personal failure or that peopel don't like their artWhet Snoodle: many, many good young artists are discouraged because of thatSasun Steinbeck: you just have to hang in there and keep at it for a long timeSasun Steinbeck: yesMar Dwi: I try to tell newbie artists to think about why they want to show their art in SL and also to enjoy the interaction that comes with this unique platformWhet Snoodle: They think they should automatically make money and when they don't ... stopTimothy Berkmans: well, I think it is a case of trying to use all the resources at your leisure, being RL, SL, or other internet opportunites.Zachh Cale: yes I've noticed so many artists spending too much time being gallery owners, but that is a personal judgmentZena Zemlja: I use some of my art to make rugs or mats, and people are buying it, maybe I should try it on outfits to, lolSasun Steinbeck: excellent idea MarSasun Steinbeck: yes Whet it's true. YOu have to set expectations that they won'tMar Dwi: it's in my guide on selling art in SL btw. anyone interested, just IM meSasun Steinbeck: LOL ZenaWhet Snoodle: yep makes for positive art as a result as well from insideSasun Steinbeck: or artistic sex balls or guns or somethingDoran Forzane: lolSasun Steinbeck: oh yes Mar that's a great guideSasun Steinbeck: you should send that out to the A&AN groupMar Dwi: I'd love to see artists who make RL portraits to start making skins in SLSasun Steinbeck: it's been a long timeZena Zemlja: hahahaha LOL SasunSasun Steinbeck: wow interesting idea MarMar Dwi: because the skin market is kind aboringSasun Steinbeck: it's huge tooSasun Steinbeck: and crowded as hellZena Zemlja thinks of 3somes sexbeds with her art on th sheets on it, LOLSasun Steinbeck: LOL!Zachh Cale: Do you still have Artist Mentors groupMar Dwi: crowded but the quality isn't great :sSasun Steinbeck: yes we do, it's kind of been stagnating thoughSasun Steinbeck: but it's not quite dead yetSasun Steinbeck: we've just been distracted with other thingsn unfortunatelyTimothy Berkmans: anyone here who are artists, also a writer? If so, instead of having a generic gallery, create a place that is interactive, where each work is a part of a story, with a notecard.. like a walking in a building and reading a comic.Sasun Steinbeck: hmmmmm we need more wild ideas like that. I like thatWhet Snoodle: Hmmmm.. hat's an interesting take on interactivenessSasun Steinbeck: more artists to think like writers, clothing designers, architects, scriptersSasun Steinbeck: etc.Mar Dwi: I just got an idea after reading my own statements: seminars in SL skills for artists so they can find new media for their creativenessSasun Steinbeck: Feathers Boa did something along those lines latelySasun Steinbeck: yes Mar, I love that idea!Mar Dwi: I'd love to see Treb Larkham flowers in 3dDoran Forzane: there is one gallery in SL where the art is fully interactive with the visitor. When I find it again I will let Sasun know.Sasun Steinbeck: I'd be willing to do one on scripting for artists perhapsNima Benoir gave you Meeting was AMAZING!.Whet Snoodle: Any sales is like that.. If you can get it in their hands make them play a part they are more likely to buyZena Zemlja: speaking of photorealistic (looks up and see this is a mature sims): isn't it time someone makes us a good looking vagina for sl use? (would that be art too??)Sasun Steinbeck: LOL depends on your point of view!Whet Snoodle: indeedTimothy Berkmans: well, we are learning where interaction is a key... There is a museum in my sim with the same concept.Sasun Steinbeck: yes we need to really push the boundariesSasun Steinbeck: and cross overWhet Snoodle: Any sales function works on that principleSasun Steinbeck: we have lots of 2D art in SL - maybe too muchSasun Steinbeck: art in SL is ripe for some new innovationSasun Steinbeck: and I see it happeningSasun Steinbeck: but more is better :)Whet Snoodle: Yes the RL connection crossover is a stong bunding keyWhet Snoodle: *bindingSasun Steinbeck: yes indeedWhet Snoodle: SL is in the international news feeds a lot lately as wellWhet Snoodle: Good world wide exposureSasun Steinbeck: yeah I'd love to see more articles in RL art mags about what's going on in SLJackson Andrew: sorry, but i have to go, it's a very interesting meetingSasun Steinbeck: I think every art mag should have a regular column on what's going on in virtual worldsSasun Steinbeck: thanks for coming!Jackson Andrew: work ask meSasun Steinbeck: I really need to go toZeta Ida: Bye JacksonTimothy Berkmans: Sasun, thanks for hosting the meetingZachh Cale: Ciao all!!!Jackson Andrew: bye allSasun Steinbeck: you're very welcome!Sasun Steinbeck: thanks again everyoneZena Zemlja: thank you SasunJackson Andrew: thank you

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Great discussion Sasun, thanks for posting it. I know there are some smart scripters out there, and I wonder if anyone has made available scripting resources that help sl artists crossover, or some type of sl > web interface gadgets. I'm sure they're out there, if anyone could post a list of resources, I'd be eternally grateful :)

Really sorry I missed that meeting. RL often gets in the way, I did tell Sasun I currently have a RL exhibit of portraits I have done for SL avatars. And I have been educating the local arts group about the possibilities that Second Life presents.Van Caerndow

Sry I missed the meeting, was setting up a RL event at my sculpture studio in Chicago. The goal was to create a cross over event, with webcams to bring RL into SL, also tryed to steam a sound performance into SL as well, then with a digital projector, present SL to my RL guests.

The projection aspect worked well, but had some bandwidth issues for the live streams.

As a sculptor, I am most intrigues with SL's ability to allow peeps to see my work in the round (3D).

I have read the transcripts for the meeting and it sounds like the beginning of a great conversation.

Wonderful meeting Sasun!! Totally respect all that you do for the SL Art World! It was really cool being able to see some of the faces with the names I see in the Notices! All of SL is Art!! SL has inspired me to pick up my paintbrush again! I DO love my SL!! See ya all next meeting! (Waving)!!

I sure wish I could have been at this meeting. The focus of my gallery (Siann Beck Gallery Watersedge) from its inception has been to bring new artistic blood in to SL. This gallery is my first venture into the art world, and it has been quite a learning experience. The first challenge was getting artists to exhibit. I wanted artists whose work had not been seen in SL, and preferably who themselves were not SL Residents. Further, I preferred artists whose RL exposure was limited -- undiscovered gems, in other words.

As I searched for artists to exhibit, only the first point was a firm rule: no existing SL presence. Nonetheless, it was quite a challenge. I searched the web and Usenet for artists whose work I liked and felt would suit my vision for the gallery, and ultimately ended up emailing about 35. In my initial mailing I provided little detail, and I think this was a mistake. In subsequent contacts, I explained a little of what SL is (and isn't), presented commission rates (25%) and explained some of my vision for the gallery. In all, I heard back from perhaps a dozen artists. Some were not interested, some expressed interest, but never got back to me after the initial followup. There were two or three I really hoped to get, who declined. But in the end, I got six very talented artists. I hope to open other galleries in the future (in fact the second one is in the planning stages), and hopefully will be able to get some of the arists I missed before.

Designing and building the gallery and arranging the exhibits were also interesting experiences, but not particularly related to crossover, and probably pretty routine issues for most here, so I'll save those for another time.

Thanks for hosting this, Sasun, and for all you do for the art community. I hope we can do this on a regular basis! Just reading the transcript, I got some great ideas!

(P.S. Regarding what Mar said about skins: my dream is to one day have a skin made by Hajime Sorayama!)