hello ... just wanted to know if anyone can help with any information regarding strip seach and what type of search can be performed by he CO's

CCWFer Friend

03-29-2010, 10:18 PM

The question you are asking is not clear. Are you asking what rights the inmate has or you as a visitor have? Sorry but the inmates rights are limited. If the guards deem any level of inmate search is necessary it will occur. My friend is stripped searched every time before she is returned to her cell after we visit. She knows it is the price paid by her for seeing any visitors. She says the rubber glove cough routine is used so they are not just getting a glance at her they are searching her thoroughly to ensure nothing came back with her that she should not have. They have never asked me to do the same but I am told if they do on the way in my choices are simple: Submit or do not visit. If they suspect you have smuggled something out, are asked and refuse on the way out, you could be arrested. They could keep you until they can get a warrant to do it without your consent, but a visitor being searched beyond the basics is rare. Unless they are under the impression something is being brought in or out it is not going to be requested. We try not to give them anything to complain about in the lines of excessive contact. That could get your privileges revoked if they feel you are messing around or get someone arrested if they feel you might be passing something. Be careful but don’t worry too much. The inmate will go through it routinely while incarcerated and will deal with it.

Luv Hurts

03-30-2010, 03:12 AM

Sorry, you cannot be arrested for refusing a strip search. And no, they cannot keep you until they get a warrant because if this happens to happen on a weekend, unless there is a judge on call, there is no one to sign a warrant. So, they cannot keep you until they get a warrant.

The question you are asking is not clear. Are you asking what rights the inmate has or you as a visitor have? Sorry but the inmates rights are limited. If the guards deem any level of inmate search is necessary it will occur. My friend is stripped searched every time before she is returned to her cell after we visit. She knows it is the price paid by her for seeing any visitors. She says the rubber glove cough routine is used so they are not just getting a glance at her they are searching her thoroughly to ensure nothing came back with her that she should not have. They have never asked me to do the same but I am told if they do on the way in my choices are simple: Submit or do not visit. If they suspect you have smuggled something out, are asked and refuse on the way out, you could be arrested. They could keep you until they can get a warrant to do it without your consent, but a visitor being searched beyond the basics is rare. Unless they are under the impression something is being brought in or out it is not going to be requested. We try not to give them anything to complain about in the lines of excessive contact. That could get your privileges revoked if they feel you are messing around or get someone arrested if they feel you might be passing something. Be careful but don’t worry too much. The inmate will go through it routinely while incarcerated and will deal with it.

Luv Hurts

03-30-2010, 03:15 AM

For inmates, all types of searches, they basically cannot refuse. For visitors, for a cavity search, they need a search warrant, unless you agree. Basic strip search, check breasts and have you squat and cough. If there is no search warrant presen you can refuse and leave the prison grounds but you will not be allowed to visit until you submit to a search.

hello ... just wanted to know if anyone can help with any information regarding strip seach and what type of search can be performed by he CO's

CCWFer Friend

03-30-2010, 11:30 AM

Sorry, you cannot be arrested for refusing a strip search. And no, they cannot keep you until they get a warrant because if this happens to happen on a weekend, unless there is a judge on call, there is no one to sign a warrant. So, they cannot keep you until they get a warrant.

On the way in you have a choice of going home without visiting but on the way out if they believe you have brought contraband OUT of the prison they will hold you. Like in any situation under law they can hold you for 48 hours before they must charge you or release you. There is never a point where a judge is more than 48 hours away a signed warrant if they have good probable cause. Being detained and turned over to local authorities is highly unlikely because if they were wrong it could cause legal ramifications. If they believe they have evidence you have something that posed a risk to security or human life (IE security system Photos, a guard’s home address) they will detain you and try to get the necessary warrant. Just be cool, know the rules and be polite. I have never had a problem but cooperate and don’t do anything that might be taken for something sinister.

Luv Hurts

03-30-2010, 12:31 PM

Sorry, they cannot detain you and hold you for 48 hours. They have to turn you over to the authorities, a prison does not have the appropriate place to hold a visitor for 48 hours. And we are talking about the CDC here, naything can be taken as sinister, even breathing.

On the way in you have a choice of going home without visiting but on the way out if they believe you have brought contraband OUT of the prison they will hold you. Like in any situation under law they can hold you for 48 hours before they must charge you or release you. There is never a point where a judge is more than 48 hours away a signed warrant if they have good probable cause. Being detained and turned over to local authorities is highly unlikely because if they were wrong it could cause legal ramifications. If they believe they have evidence you have something that posed a risk to security or human life (IE security system Photos, a guard’s home address) they will detain you and try to get the necessary warrant. Just be cool, know the rules and be polite. I have never had a problem but cooperate and don’t do anything that might be taken for something sinister.

mrs.grumps

03-30-2010, 12:49 PM

hello ... just wanted to know if anyone can help with any information regarding strip seach and what type of search can be performed by he CO's

If they have a warrant you have to submit to an unclothed body search by a peace officer of the same sex. And/or an exray or physical examination by qualified medical personnel (this would be clearly stated on the warrant). If they have a warrant, you cannot refuse.

If they do not have a warrant you can refuse to search. In doing so you refuse your visit for that day (this is stated on the back of your visiting application Form 106).

2Focused

03-30-2010, 01:19 PM

sorry I was not clear... let me share a bit more about my issue... two weekends ago I was cavity searched for the first time I agree to the search because I had nothing to hide but I was not aware of how bad it would make me feel ... the seach did not turned out anything... so I was able to see my husband ... so last Sat. I went to visit once again I was asked to submit to a cavity search and of course they did not find anything... my issue is after how many times of them searching me and not finding a damn thing would it be considered herasmnet

mrs.grumps

03-30-2010, 01:42 PM

sorry I was not clear... let me share a bit more about my issue... two weekends ago I was cavity searched for the first time I agree to the search because I had nothing to hide but I was not aware of how bad it would make me feel ... the seach did not turned out anything... so I was able to see my husband ... so last Sat. I went to visit once again I was asked to submit to a cavity search and of course they did not find anything... my issue is after how many times of them searching me and not finding a damn thing would it be considered herasmnet

Did they have a search warrant either time?

2Focused

03-30-2010, 02:10 PM

no, I was going to be seach this past Sunday however the person who handles the search was not picking up her phone so I was allowed to visit with out a search

Patrickj

03-30-2010, 02:15 PM

Did they have a search warrant either time?

The person here consented to the search so no search warrant was needed. For this person to be subject to these type of searches on a regular basses ISU is getting information from inside sources or through telephone monitoring to make this visitor a "Subject of interest."

2Focused

03-30-2010, 02:40 PM

can the CO'S them self performe the cavity seach? I was told it has to be done by a doctor or a nurse

mrs.grumps

03-30-2010, 03:58 PM

can the CO'S them self performe the cavity seach? I was told it has to be done by a doctor or a nurse

A visual cavity search can be done by a C/O of the same sex. A manual cavity search needs to be done by qualified medical personnel, they usually transport you the the nearest hospital for this.

mrs.grumps

03-30-2010, 04:03 PM

The person here consented to the search so no search warrant was needed. For this person to be subject to these type of searches on a regular basses ISU is getting information from inside sources or through telephone monitoring to make this visitor a "Subject of interest."

You are correct a warrant was not needed because she consented, that doesn't mean they did not have one. The reason I ask is because she can get a copy of the search warrant & find out why she is of interest.

2Focused

03-30-2010, 04:28 PM

if there was a seach warrant would they have advice me? or is there a way I can find out so I can obtain a copy?

Patrickj

03-30-2010, 09:26 PM

You are correct a warrant was not needed because she consented, that doesn't mean they did not have one. The reason I ask is because she can get a copy of the search warrant & find out why she is of interest.

This is just my two cents here. If they would have had a search warrant I think their approach would have been different. They wouldn't ask if they could search, they would have told her you that you are going to be searched. Then produced the warrant for her If they can convince a judge to sign a search warrant they better have something to back up their reasons. ( CDCR usually don't have any problems getting a warrant if they need one ) With consent no warrant needs to be produced have it or not. I am Sure they would have shown it any way to let her know that we were going to search her any way CDCR scare tactic
I am not trying to be argumentative Please don't take it that way

2Focused

03-30-2010, 09:55 PM

thanks for all the info... it sounds like if I want to continue seeing my hubby I must submit to as many searches as requested ... plus I would rather get search then walk away giving them the impresion I was hidng contrband.

Patrickj

03-30-2010, 10:58 PM

thanks for all the info... it sounds like if I want to continue seeing my hubby I must submit to as many searches as requested ... plus I would rather get search then walk away giving them the impresion I was hidng contrband.

Well this subject matter got the best of me so I went and did some fast research in the Title 15 on viisitors serches, here is what I found OK I am not going to put the full section in this post just the parts that pertain to the matter at hand here. The bold parts I think help some in this matter of discussion here. I agree with what you are doing especally since you are in the clear

3173.2. Searches and Inspections
(a) Any person coming onto the property of an institution/
facility shall be subject to inspection as necessary to ensure
institution/facility security including prevention of the introduction
of contraband. Inspections may include a search of the visitor’s
person, personal property and vehicle(s) when there is reasonable
suspicion to believe the visitor is attempting to introduce or
remove contraband or unauthorized items or substances into, or out
of, the institution/facility.
(b) Visitors shall not be forcibly searched unless institution/
facility officials possess a court issued warrant to conduct the
search, or are being detained for unlawful actions or activities in
accordance with section 3292.

3292. Arrest and Detention.
(a) It is the policy of the department to arrest and detain
civilians only when their unlawful actions or activities present an
immediate and significant threat to the custody and control of
inmates, parolees, employees and the public.
(b) It is the policy of the department to only effect the arrest and
detention of a civilian when there is sufficient cause to believe that
the individual’s unlawful action or activity is deliberate and
intended for a purpose described in (a). Suspicion of unlawful
actions or activities will not be cause for the arrest and detention
of an individual, but may be cause for ordering or escorting the
individual off departmental property or institution grounds, and for
referral to local authorities.

3Kings2<3

03-30-2010, 11:26 PM

thanks for all the info... it sounds like if I want to continue seeing my hubby I must submit to as many searches as requested ... plus I would rather get search then walk away giving them the impresion I was hidng contrband.

You can continue to submit to the searches but IF I WAS YOU...I would have filed a citizens complaint already and been on the phone with Sacramento. I would have named every single person that I came in contact with during my search on the complaint. They CANNOT search you every single time that you go to visit...they ARE harassing you! After the first time of searching you and coming up empty handed they should have backed off until they had concrete evidence that you have contraband on you.

Luv Hurts

03-31-2010, 02:12 AM

If a prison has a search warant they have to show it to you, they cannot just say we have a warrant you need to consent. It has your name, the reason for the search, the judge who signed it. This would be like someone walking into your home saying we have a search warrant but I am not going to show it to you.

Believe me, I have been thru this and a search warrant was presented.

You are correct a warrant was not needed because she consented, that doesn't mean they did not have one. The reason I ask is because she can get a copy of the search warrant & find out why she is of interest.

Luv Hurts

03-31-2010, 02:31 AM

Like Monkeyswife said, you can continue to allow them to do this but you need to file a citizens complaint and stop all of this.

thanks for all the info... it sounds like if I want to continue seeing my hubby I must submit to as many searches as requested ... plus I would rather get search then walk away giving them the impresion I was hidng contrband.

2Focused

03-31-2010, 06:32 AM

I'm clueless when it comes to all this so any advice would be so much hlep... what is the process when a citizens complaint is file and what is the phone number I should call in Sacramento?

mrs.grumps

03-31-2010, 08:46 AM

This is just my two cents here. If they would have had a search warrant I think their approach would have been different. They wouldn't ask if they could search, they would have told her you that you are going to be searched. Then produced the warrant for her If they can convince a judge to sign a search warrant they better have something to back up their reasons. ( CDCR usually don't have any problems getting a warrant if they need one ) With consent no warrant needs to be produced have it or not. I am Sure they would have shown it any way to let her know that we were going to search her any way CDCR scare tactic
I am not trying to be argumentative Please don't take it that way

I don't think you are being argumentative, & i didn't take it that way ;)

I agree, if they had one they most likely would have presented it..i was kinda thinking on the "whit if" side of things...the OP said she consented on the first one but was kinda unclear as to weather they had one the second time, so I had to ask. I was kinda thinking maybe they wanted to see if she would consent & so thats why they might have not said they had one..but since she consented, no need for them to lay all their cards on the table kinda thing. But I do agree, if they had one i'm sure they would have shown it, but you just never know with CDCr...:rolleyes:

mrs.grumps

03-31-2010, 08:49 AM

If a prison has a search warant they have to show it to you, they cannot just say we have a warrant you need to consent. It has your name, the reason for the search, the judge who signed it. This would be like someone walking into your home saying we have a search warrant but I am not going to show it to you.

Believe me, I have been thru this and a search warrant was presented.

Yes, I know they have to show it if they say they have one, but they never told her they had one. I too have been through this with a carpool buddy & myself so I do know the whole routine. She consented so a warrant wasn't even needed.

Luv Hurts

03-31-2010, 12:40 PM

A citizens complaint form is a form that you fill out and submit to your local office. You write the incident and the complaint, it does not go to the prison it goes to Sacramento, and depending on what they find this prevent prison staff from moving up to higher postitions. I believe for Southern California it is Rancho Cucamongo. Here is a link to print the cdc 2142 form. Let me add, it is very important that you document and document and document. The more proof you have the better.

http://www.prisontalk.com/forums/misc.php?do=showattachments&t=464325

I'm clueless when it comes to all this so any advice would be so much hlep... what is the process when a citizens complaint is file and what is the phone number I should call in Sacramento?

Patrickj

03-31-2010, 12:51 PM

I'm clueless when it comes to all this so any advice would be so much hlep... what is the process when a citizens complaint is file and what is the phone number I should call in Sacramento?

Before you pursue the citizens complaint thing here. Few questions from the peanut gallery . How many times have you been searched ?, By search I mean two different types of search procedure here . 1. Strip searched. 2 Cavity searched. Now if a cavity search was performed
When, where and by whom.? or was both type of searches done at the same time.?
Do you have any kind of documentation of who performed these searches ( date, names of the person searching) I know 1,001 and questions here. but from my experiences of dealing with the department on all three sides ( staff , inmate, visitor) I learned not to miss a single thing when it come to dealing with any issue . If you wish to pursue the Citizen Complaint Let me know. You may wish to review this post also on the matter of citizen's complaint http://www.prisontalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4305774 Start reading at the fourth post good reading

2Focused

03-31-2010, 01:19 PM

I have been cavity search twice both times they where perforemed in a room at the visiting processing area ... and yes I have copies of the search form with dates times and who performed the search... I wrote every single detail after my visits because I thought it was strenge how the second time they change the way the search was done...

Patrickj

03-31-2010, 01:33 PM

I have been cavity search twice both times they where perforemed in a room at the visiting processing area ... and yes I have copies of the search form with dates times and who performed the search... I wrote every single detail after my visits because I thought it was strenge how the second time they change the way the search was done...

Very different here two different searches done two different ways. Stupid me I haven't even ask what facility we are talking about her or if it was mentioned I over looked it.( not good lol on my behalf) OK let me pull up some information out of D.O.M (Department Operations Manual) on this subject matter I can all most bet they will refer me to the institution policy and procedure on this type of subject.
If you don't mind I would like to give you my email address in a P. M I have some questions that need not be discussed in an open forum
A qustion after reading this section of D.O.M were you giving a copy of the CDC Form 888

54020.14 Visitor Consent for Search
When a clothed or unclothed body search of a visitor is authorized and/or necessary due to the failure to clear any contraband/metal detection device,the visitor shall be verbally informed of the reason(s) for the search and the
name of the official ordering the search.
Before the search is conducted, the visitor shall provide written consent by signing a CDC Form 888.
A CDC Form 888 shall be completed for each person searched, including minors. The parents or legal guardian of the minor shall be required to consent to the search of minor children by signing the CDC Form 888.
A copy of the CDC Form 888 and all information relied upon for orderingthe search shall be sent to the institution head or designee immediately following the search.
Within 24 hours, a detailed written report shall be submitted to the institution head and shall include the following information:

• The reason for the clothed or unclothed search of the visitor's person or
exceptional search of property or vehicle.
• The visitor's response.

• The results of the search.

On weekends and holidays, this report shall be submitted to the institution
head on the first working day following the search.

2Focused

03-31-2010, 01:57 PM

thanks, diffrent ways and I'm sorry it was at KVSP

hisbabygirl08

03-31-2010, 02:12 PM

they do not have to have a warrent to do a strip search. before doing the strip search they will ask you if you give them permision and have you sign a paper stating you do give them permision and if you dont then they will terminate your visit for that day. they can not keep doing those searches on you over and over but however every few mths they can. they do monitor your phone conversation and if the conversation leads to believe that something is up then they will ask to do another search. they have you sign that paper because that is stating you did give them the ok to do so. it will be the same sex co to do the search and two of them will go in the room with you. its not fun at all and very imberrsing but if you think your man is worth it all then you will have no problem with it .

Luv Hurts

03-31-2010, 02:30 PM

Here is the difference, did they tell you to squat and cough or did they do an actualy visual search of your vagina and anus. A visual inspection would've required gloves, you laying on a table and them inserting usually their fingers inside of you. This is a cavity search. This is a big difference in squatting and coughing, and a cavity search. if they performed a cavity search on youat the prison, you will have a valid complaint and a possible lawsuit. The prison staff cannot do a cavity search on a visitor, only a Dr. can. They would have had to of taken you off prison grounds to a hospital to perform this, where they also would have done an xray. normalprocedure is, take you have an xray done, USUALLY, not always, if there is nothing in the xray they will not perform the cavity search.

Now, the fact that this was goign on your third strip search, you have a complaint. Someone is feeding the prison informaiton on you and your man. But seriously every time you visit and they are finding nothing is ridiculous.

I have been cavity search twice both times they where perforemed in a room at the visiting processing area ... and yes I have copies of the search form with dates times and who performed the search... I wrote every single detail after my visits because I thought it was strenge how the second time they change the way the search was done...

Luv Hurts

03-31-2010, 02:33 PM

Yeah, if you go back and read the posts this has already been clarified. This isn't what people are questioning, the questioning is regarding the cavity search. I prison em[ployee cannot perform a cavity search. She needs to be taken to a hospital.

I am going to disagree with you here, it is not a matter if her man is worth it, it is a matter that this is happening every time she enters prison grounds. This is now starting to cross the line of harrasment. If the prison was smart they would wait awhile to peform another one, if the OP was taking something in don;' you think she would now wait since she knows they are basically hitting her every time.

its not fun at all and very imberrsing but if you think your man is worth it all then you will have no problem with it .[/quote]

they do not have to have a warrent to do a strip search. before doing the strip search they will ask you if you give them permision and have you sign a paper stating you do give them permision and if you dont then they will terminate your visit for that day. they can not keep doing those searches on you over and over but however every few mths they can. they do monitor your phone conversation and if the conversation leads to believe that something is up then they will ask to do another search. they have you sign that paper because that is stating you did give them the ok to do so. it will be the same sex co to do the search and two of them will go in the room with you. its not fun at all and very imberrsing but if you think your man is worth it all then you will have no problem with it .

2Focused

03-31-2010, 03:01 PM

I agree with you Luv Hurts the bottom line is that this is harrasment ... and Under Ca. penal code 4030 they type of search I was performed was indeed a cavity search... a physical cavity search is when they lay you down and insert their fingers.

Luv Hurts

03-31-2010, 04:34 PM

Well you might have a real good case considering they are doing cavity searches but the argument is going to come in because you allowed them. Now what you need to do is next time you visit stand up for yourself and ask for the visiting Lt. Or the watch tower commander and get answers as to why they are targeting you. There is a reason you are being targeted. Do no consent to anymore searches until you get answers.

cldom

03-31-2010, 10:23 PM

i am reading your post and i im in shock! You indeed have a lawsuit on your hands. Was it the regular co's that perform searches at KVSP? The reason i ask is because they are NOT qualified medical staff. For one, have you seen some of the acyrlic nails on those ladies? They have know idea what your medical history is. What if for instance you have colon cancer and are bleeding? WHat if you were pregnant and they are inserting fingers? And so on. I know it sounds gross, but it is the truth. There have been some really strange things going on at KVSP lately. Something needs to be done.

Luv Hurts

03-31-2010, 11:11 PM

No she agreed to the cavity search so there is nothing she can do. But shebcan still file a citizens complaint.

mrs.grumps

04-01-2010, 08:57 AM

I agree with you Luv Hurts the bottom line is that this is harrasment ... and Under Ca. penal code 4030 they type of search I was performed was indeed a cavity search.

Did the Correctional Officer do a visual cavity search (would be you squatting naked over a mirror & them using a flashlight to look inside you -NO physical contact).
Or did the C/O actually have you lay on a table & touch you in any way (this would be more like a pap smear, but of course more intrusive)?

Did the Correctional Officer do a visual cavity search (would be you squatting naked over a mirror & them using a flashlight to look inside you -NO physical contact).
Or did the C/O actually have you lay on a table & touch you in any way (this would be more like a pap smear, but of course more intrusive)?

Orinally posted by: 805wifey
I agree with you Luv Hurts the bottom line is that this is harrasment ... and Under Ca. penal code 4030 the type of search I was performed was indeed a cavity search... a physical cavity search is when they lay you down and insert their fingers.

What is it that you're not understanding? Do you need her to draw a picture? She's already acknowledged she knows the difference in the types of searches and she's said they laid her down on the table and stuck their fingers inside her. Just because she doesn't know what her rights are when it comes to cdc doesn't mean she can't tell the difference between them making her squat over a mirror & cough or spreading her eagle on a table & physically touching her. I don't understand how many different ways she's going to be asked the same question. Oh and if they are making her squat over a mirror they don't use a flashlight because it defeats the purpose.

CCWFer Friend

04-03-2010, 06:08 PM

Sorry, they cannot detain you and hold you for 48 hours. They have to turn you over to the authorities, a prison does not have the appropriate place to hold a visitor for 48 hours. And we are talking about the CDC here, naything can be taken as sinister, even breathing.

AS I stated....you would be turned over to the local authorities if you were detained.

mrs.grumps

04-03-2010, 10:45 PM

What is it that you're not understanding? Do you need her to draw a picture? She's already acknowledged she knows the difference in the types of searches and she's said they laid her down on the table and stuck their fingers inside her. Just because she doesn't know what her rights are when it comes to cdc doesn't mean she can't tell the difference between them making her squat over a mirror & cough or spreading her eagle on a table & physically touching her. I don't understand how many different ways she's going to be asked the same question. Oh and if they are making her squat over a mirror they don't use a flashlight because it defeats the purpose.

I do not need a picture & I understand completely what she is saying.

On another note, yes they do use a flashlight when they perform a visual cavity search. They place the mirror on the ground, the female squats while coughing over the mirror & this is usually repeated 3 times. The flashlight is pointed down on the mirror so that it reflects up in order for them to see inside the female.

Luv Hurts

04-03-2010, 10:49 PM

Ummmmm, I have been search on three different occassions and a cavity search at a hospital and have never had a flashlight used.

I do not need a picture & I understand completely what she is saying.

On another note, yes they do use a flashlight when they perform a visual cavity search. They place the mirror on the ground, the female squats while coughing over the mirror & this is usually repeated 3 times. The flashlight is pointed down on the mirror so that it reflects up in order for them to see inside the female.

mrs.grumps

04-03-2010, 10:51 PM

Ummmmm, I have been search on three different occassions and a cavity search at a hospital and have never had a flashlight used.

At the prison my husband is @ they use a flashlight. It's just like with everything else when it comes to CDCr...no consistency.

Luv Hurts

04-03-2010, 10:59 PM

Actually, this is what you said, There is never a point where a judge is more than 48 hours away a signed warrant if they have good probable cause. Being detained and turned over to local authorities is highly unlikely because if they were wrong it could cause legal ramifications.If they believe they have evidence you have something that posed a risk to security or human life (IE security system Photos, a guard’s home address) they will detain you and try to get the necessary warrant. The prison cannot detain you, they have to turn you over to the police right away.

You also said, On the way in you have a choice of going home without visiting but on the way out if they believe you have brought contraband OUT of the prison they will hold you. It doesn't matter if you are leaving the prison, unless they have a search warrant they CANNOT search you. You can always refuse to be searched, whether coming or going, you will lose that visit and may not be allowed visit until you consent.

This is also no accurate, If they suspect you have smuggled something out, are asked and refuse on the way out, you could be arrested. You can not be arrested for refusing.

As you stated, this has never happened to you and unless you know for sure how it exactly works, correct information should be given. Now, your friend has it different on the inside then we do on the outside. Some prions make men strp down completely, some only make them go down to boxers.

AS I stated....you would be turned over to the local authorities if you were detained.

3Kings2<3

04-03-2010, 11:00 PM

I do not need a picture & I understand completely what she is saying.

On another note, yes they do use a flashlight when they perform a visual cavity search. They place the mirror on the ground, the female squats while coughing over the mirror & this is usually repeated 3 times. The flashlight is pointed down on the mirror so that it reflects up in order for them to see inside the female.

How does that work? If they point the flashlight at the mirror it's going to cause a glare & they aren't going to be able to see anything. The whole point of the mirror & having the person squat over it is so they can see up inside the person they are searching so when they cough whatever is inside them will come out.

I guess every prison is different because this is actually the first time I've ever heard of a flashlight being used....I've known of several people, myself included that have gone through it and NONE of us have ever had a flashlight used.

3Kings2<3

04-03-2010, 11:01 PM

At the prison my husband is @ they use a flashlight. It's just like with everything else when it comes to CDCr...no consistency.

What prison is your husband at if you don't mind me asking? You're so right about CDC not being consistant! :rolleyes:

Mrs.760

04-04-2010, 01:51 PM

Ok Guys lets get back on topic. No need to fight with each other our main purpose is to answer the OP's post. If you have answered her post there is no need to bicker with one another’s answers move on.

Now my statement to the OP. I have been visiting at KVSP in the past 2 years and have been searched 3 times. The search contained me stripping down bending down coughing while the Guard held a flashlight and a mirror to my vagina and rectum. Not fun whatsoever. To add insult to Injury when they find nothing they have still denied my visits. Visiting Management at KVSP is out of control and needs to be stopped. I ask that you please lodge a civil complaint as well as a formal letter to the prison. If someone doesn’t speak up it won’t stop! Please keep in mind that KVSP has a 100% Conviction rate on all arrests made onsite which made it very hard when I would file complaints because the state of CA see's that they are doing a great job on keeping contraband outside of the prison.

I suggest that you call the ISU Sgt. Sell immediately on Monday. She is the Internal Services Sgt. and is very helpful. She is a very understanding woman and will always get back to you on any questions. Since I have contacted her I haven’t had any further issues.

casd619

04-04-2010, 02:54 PM

While I don't know the answers to these questions...there is one thing I have learned from working for and dealing with CDCR...things are not always done as they should be.
If you truly want to know things for yourself...I suggest downloading the DOM and Title 15. Both of these publications deal with the rules and how (in theory) things are supposed to work.
If you or your loved ones don't know the rules/you rights...there are always people who are willing to deprive you of them.

Good luck!

cldom

04-04-2010, 03:25 PM

OK, so what if they try to do a "cavity" search on another person who is reading this? I mean, I would def. say NO to a cavity search, but what would be the proper wording. Im afraid i would say F**** U kiss my mother***** A**. I dont want to get myself, or my hubby in any sort of trouble, but c'mon ladies. We all know how much drama we go through to get in. I swear there have been times where if one more thing went wrong i was gonna go off. Ive literally gone in having to bite down on my tongue. What do i say if they ask me, or anyone reading this to submit to a cavity search??? I'm fully aware that strip searches are fair game.:angry::angry:

cldom

04-04-2010, 03:29 PM

how do we can i get a copy of that?

pj663

04-04-2010, 10:56 PM

sorry I was not clear... let me share a bit more about my issue... two weekends ago I was cavity searched for the first time I agree to the search because I had nothing to hide but I was not aware of how bad it would make me feel ... the seach did not turned out anything... so I was able to see my husband ... so last Sat. I went to visit once again I was asked to submit to a cavity search and of course they did not find anything... my issue is after how many times of them searching me and not finding a damn thing would it be considered herasmnet

I'm sorry sweetie this is happening to you:( it's a catch 22 in that you can refuse the search however you cannot visit if you refuse. On the other hand if they have reason to suspect that you introduced contrband to the prison grounds then they can request to search you. Every prison operates diffrent therefore you'll get diffrent opinions about this. Ideally the prison should be unified in protocal but its not the case with the CDC. If they did something beyond normal like a cavity search they have to notifiy you in writing and you have to conscent to it before they do it. They bascially can do it whenever they feel like you may have contraband on you:( sorry baby girl it is in the title 15 please read below in the red:

3173.2. Searches and Inspections.
(a) Any person coming onto the property of an institution/
facility shall be subject to inspection as necessary to ensure
institution/facility security including prevention of the introduction
of contraband. Inspections may include a search of the visitor’s
person, personal property and vehicle(s) when there is reasonable
suspicion to believe the visitor is attempting to introduce or
remove contraband or unauthorized items or substances into, or out
of, the institution/facility.
(b) Visitors shall not be forcibly searched unless institution/
facility officials possess a court issued warrant to conduct the
search, or are being detained for unlawful actions or activities in
accordance with section 3292.
(c) Visitors shall be required to submit to contraband and/or
metal detection device(s), and a thorough search of all personal
items, including inspection of a wheelchair, implant, prosthesis or
assistive device, prior to being allowed to visit with an inmate.
(d) Visitors with medically implanted or prosthetic devices who
cannot clear the metal detection device and/or visitors who require
the use of a wheelchair or other assistive devices for mobility
impairment shall present a letter of verification signed by their
physician, physiatrist, prosthetist, or orthotist. The letter must
confirm the mobility impairment, and/or the nature of the medically
implanted prosthetic device and its specific location in/on th

body, and the need for any assistive device. The authorization letter
shall be renewed every two years.
(e) Visitors who require the use of a wheelchair shall temporarily
transfer to a designated institution/facility wheelchair, when
available, while visiting staff conduct an inspection of the visitor’s
wheelchair. Visitors who present a letter signed by their physician
that confirms the need for using a battery powered or custom
designed wheelchair shall be exempt from the requirement of
transferring from their personal wheelchair. In such cases, the
visitor shall permit an inspection of the personal wheelchair and
allow a hand held metal detection device to be used.
(f) Except as provided in subsection (b), if the search of any
visitor’s person, property or vehicle exceeds that which is normally
required for all visitors, the visitor shall be informed in writing of
the reason for the search and the name of the official ordering the
search. Consent shall be obtained from the visitor prior to the
search.
(g) A visitor who refuses to be searched shall be denied visiting
for that day.
(1) The inmate and the visitor who refused to be searched shall
be notified in writing as described in section 3176(a)(3).
(2) Future visits may be conditioned upon the visitor’s willingness
to submit to a search prior to each visit for as long as
institution/facility officials have reasonable suspicion to believe
that the visitor will attempt to introduce contraband or unauthorized
substances into the institution/facility.
NOTE: Authority cited: Section 5058, Penal Code. Reference: Section
5054, Penal Code.
HISTORY:
1. New section filed 2-18-2003; operative 3-20-2003 (Register 2003,
No. 8).
2. Amendment of subsections (a) and (g)(2) filed 4-7-2008; operative
5-7-2008 (Register 2008,

pj663

04-04-2010, 11:00 PM

Ladies and familes FYI know your rights and educate yourself on the Title 15. Most of the times you will find that the powers that be dont know the rules and may not ever looked at the title 15. Be easy.

2Focused

04-05-2010, 10:57 AM

I would like to thank you all for your helpful information what I have gone threw has the most degrading and humiliating thnig I ever have gone threw. I have complied with the searches with ANY hesetation what so ever that should be a big indication I have nothing to hide. this past weekend I opted not to go see my husband and spend it with my children since I refuse to take them with me due to the great amount of fear they to will be subjected to this type of search. I am determine to file a complaint and educate my self as to my rights ... once again thank you

acedthetest

04-05-2010, 08:05 PM

Ladies, here is a link to the current version (2009) of the State of California, Code of Regulations, TITLE 15. This is the entire code that discusses all the prison regulations.

It's an Adobe PDF document. Article 7, Sections 3170-3182 is all about Visiting and visitors rights.

I would love to visit someone in prison, and be searched as a result of blackmail or bullying.

Our corrections system is not run entirely by bullies, however, I know that there are some really bad apples out there.

805, please educate yourself, and print a copy of your rights to take in with you. When they pressure you for yet another search, tell them that you want to have a representative with you, and walk away, seeking an ombudsman immediately.
Having nothing to hide doesn't mean that you must hand over your dignity in order to see a convicted loved one.

I suggest you speak privately with ALiferzwife to get some more info.
Good luck to you...

Luv Hurts

04-27-2010, 02:33 AM

You do not have the option of having a representative with you when you AGREE to a strip search, actually, you cannot have a representative with you anytime. Only thing she can do is refuse the search, plain and simple. She will lose her visits for that day, but there comes a time when it becomes harrasment. In her case its starting to become harrasment.

I would love to visit someone in prison, and be searched as a result of blackmail or bullying.

Our corrections system is not run entirely by bullies, however, I know that there are some really bad apples out there.

805, please educate yourself, and print a copy of your rights to take in with you. When they pressure you for yet another search, tell them that you want to have a representative with you, and walk away, seeking an ombudsman immediately.
Having nothing to hide doesn't mean that you must hand over your dignity in order to see a convicted loved one.

I suggest you speak privately with ALiferzwife to get some more info.
Good luck to you...

pj663

04-27-2010, 10:02 AM

I would love to visit someone in prison, and be searched as a result of blackmail or bullying.

Our corrections system is not run entirely by bullies, however, I know that there are some really bad apples out there.

805, please educate yourself, and print a copy of your rights to take in with you. When they pressure you for yet another search, tell them that you want to have a representative with you, and walk away, seeking an ombudsman immediately.
Having nothing to hide doesn't mean that you must hand over your dignity in order to see a convicted loved one.

I suggest you speak privately with ALiferzwife to get some more info.
Good luck to you...

You have the right to refuse being searched the catch is that you wont get a visit for that day and if they want to you can come the next day and they will once again asked that you be searched. They have the right to make a request if they feel that you are introducing contraband on state grounds. If you allow them to search once they cant keep harrassing you can file a complaint on those merits. They figure if you have nothing to hide then you wouldnt have a problem being searched however for us it's like being violated but again it's a catch 22.