Yeah, but even with the shape it's in, more people still care about it more than Joey Ryan though.

And that means what exactly? The same could be said for just about any indy wrestler. He has a gimmick that works for him, the fans seem to not be tired of it yet so as long as he's making money, the fans are happy who gives a shit?

People go to be entertained... whether it's to be chased out of your seats because the heels are being chased through the crowds or laugh at the comedy act involving midgets, or talk shit to the heel or the face and get a reaction , people come to be entertained and in the end that is what counts.

And that means what exactly? The same could be said for just about any indy wrestler. He has a gimmick that works for him, the fans seem to not be tired of it yet so as long as he's making money, the fans are happy who gives a shit?

People go to be entertained... whether it's to be chased out of your seats because the heels are being chased through the crowds or laugh at the comedy act involving midgets, or talk shit to the heel or the face and get a reaction , people come to be entertained and in the end that is what counts.

Yeah, dude, but if Jim Cornette isn't entertained, how can anyone else be entertained?

That's fair enough. I don't know what I would do in this particularly circumstance. I don't enforce my opinions onto others, so if they take jobs I wouldn't, I don't look down on them, but I have also refused work because I know a dude has a gripe with a friend of mine. So to each their own, I guess.

Says the guy who thinks everyone needs to ponder "what would Jim Cornette do?" before every decision.

I don't normally respond to you, but this warrants it: I know you've got some bitter thing with me, and I couldn't give a fuck. You've proven in the thread about Mauro's mental illness that you are legitimately a terrible person. It also comes out in almost all of your posts, and how your jokes usually involve racism or something akin to it. Whatever -- a lot of people on the internet are trash, or pretend to be.

What personally offends me about this is that you...cannot...fucking...read. I get that you're not smart, and you cannot help that. I'd take a nice dumb person over a nasty smart one any day of the week. But dude -- try to focus on the words in front of your fucking face.

The situation I brought up could be applied to ANYBODY. Professional loyalty is actually a thing people have. So is personal loyalty. It's not as ridiculously a framed question as Dale pointed out. Love the guy, but he often projects and misconstrues for the sake of an argument. And they're fun arguments, so whatever. But you're not fun, and you're not worth conversing with. I'm shocked whenever you bring up a good point about something, and most of the time it's just you waiting for Big Daddy Dale to seemingly give you the okay to try and take lame shots at me, which half the time aren't even demonstable.

"Oh, Noid must have no friends." "Noid thinks too much." "Noid probably wants Jim Cornette to piss on him." Where is the fucking substance behind your shtick, fool? See, I've seen people on these forums tear you apart because of the content you bring to the table. The only thing is, you can't edit that side of yourself in order to rebut, because you don't have the intellect or dexterity.

Fuck off, mike adamle. You're a horrible person. That won't bother me so much over the internet when you learn to fucking read and comprehend, you fucking novice human.

I'm on the "pro making fun of Noid for his ridiculous fucking opinions" bandwagon, to be completely honest.

You do a slightly better job than adamle, but not by much. You used to put more effort in or make better points. Now it's a bit vapid and lacking. Dale is the only one who does an anywhere near decent job of that.

Do you really think Jim Cornette would approve of that comment? And when did I ever accuse you of wanting Jim Cornette to piss on you? I mean now I know it's a fantasy of yours, but I never brought that up.

I think it says something about the issues of the people commenting when they have to go to such broad and in-substantive places in order to come up with anything though. And going back through, because I don't even remember you making a point, the shot you took at me was "This is the worst post you have ever written. BY FAR." That's a really week way of "making fun." Firstly, it implies that it's far worse than anything I've said, which means that the other stuff was good, therefore implying a scale of quality. Secondly, you don't really have the fortitude in your to explain why.

I know I'm asking trolls to discuss their trolling, which is a zero-sum game, but remember the days when trolls used to be able to genuinely stir shit, and it wasn't just "lol i'm trolling," like the intended action itself was the point, and not the intended consequence?

I'm very disappointed by the internet these days. Social media is where all the good bait is, I guess. You guys are pretty fucking tame, haha.

Do you really think Jim Cornette would approve of that comment? And when did I ever accuse you of wanting Jim Cornette to piss on you? I mean now I know it's a fantasy of yours, but I never brought that up.

The "why'd you even bring that up?" retort to a hypothetical attribution of point, followed by the act like you made the joke. The intellect of mike adamle, ladies and gentleman. Freud tried making that joke almost a century ago, and no one laughed then. Yes, that is a "this decade called, they want their mike adamle back" line, but you're not worth creamier stuff.

I think it says something about the issues of the people commenting when they have to go to such broad and in-substantive places in order to come up with anything though. And going back through, because I don't even remember you making a point, the shot you took at me was "This is the worst post you have ever written. BY FAR." That's a really week way of "making fun." Firstly, it implies that it's far worse than anything I've said, which means that the other stuff was good, therefore implying a scale of quality. Secondly, you don't really have the fortitude in your to explain why.

I know I'm asking trolls to discuss their trolling, which is a zero-sum game, but remember the days when trolls used to be able to genuinely stir shit, and it wasn't just "lol i'm trolling," like the intended action itself was the point, and not the intended consequence?

I'm very disappointed by the internet these days. Social media is where all the good bait is, I guess. You guys are pretty fucking tame, haha.

I'm not trolling you, I'm telling you your opinion sucks because it sucks (and you implied as much when you backed off by saying it was "just a thought experiment") because you don't have the gumption to actually defend your own shitty point.

Hopefully you have as much success ridding TPWW of these trolls as I did Norman Smiley and The CyNick.

What actually happening with CyNick? Was there some sort of big blow-off, or did he just get weary of you constantly undercutting his attempts to work people?

Lol, remember when people were like "let him talk -- I don't think he's actually trolling" and tried to turn the pitchfork against you because you were like "guys, look at this evidence...". Good times. I won't say I miss it, because I am glad he is gone, but it's nice to know the True American Hero stood tall again.

I'm not trolling you, I'm telling you your opinion sucks because it sucks (and you implied as much when you backed off by saying it was "just a thought experiment") because you don't have the gumption to actually defend your own shitty point.

I think your opinion sucks because it sucks too. Great discourse, Dave. Dale -- this is what someone who gets pissed off because you like something looks like. There's no attempt to defend some sort of objective metric here -- this is just a dude with a thorn in side, because he doesn't like my tone or whatever, making gripe because he can.

I was never particularly one-sided on the issue, because I hadn't made up my mind -- I was discussing it. That's what a discussion board was for. It got jumped on by people who took it to be an exaltation of Jim Cornette, possibly because of my pass biases, but I'm not afraid to defend my points, hombre. Let's have this out, if you can muster up the gumption.

I've fallen on the point where if I was Mick, I wouldn't take the gig. I think it's dumb, shitty, counterproductive, inane and Ryan's disposition towards people I like is smug and generally shitty. Didn't he accuse Jim Cornette of homophobia because he didn't like men being booked to touch his dick for comedy? I'm sure the goobers go along with it, but there's something creepy about a promoter that does this. And he's done it with women too, who again, I'm sure are willing, but it's just something I'd stay away from if I were promoting.

So yeah, I'd rather take another unnecessary bump for someone else. I wouldn't be caught dead there. Mick Foley isn't a starving artist, so he doesn't really have that excuse. But I guess he's of a different opinion, and that's his business. I'm just going to consider anything post 2004 in his career "non-canon."

That being said, as I said, I doubted Cornette will be personally offended by Foley doing it, and he wasn't. It's the trend of the product. It's just frustratingly shit, and it's starting to dampen my general love of even wrestling, because the goofy Raw/Smackdown shit is now leaking over into the independents.

God, Joey Ryan is such a piece of shit, haha. He actually thinks this is money too. This has to be the most abstract path to finding some sort of sustainable business model that supplies a demand that I've ever seen. He would honestly be better off just going into straight-up porn. Because then people would actually watch and click on shit and potentially pay. This "at least people are talking about me" goofy stuff is like (and I hate to use dead memes):

EDIT: I take this back if he actually lives in a mansion and donates hundreds of thousands of dollars to kiddies in need. But for some reason I get the impression that he is just "making a living," yet celebrates it like he is some sort of Greek god. I know part of the job is selling yourself, but it's a bit annoying he keeps that part alive and forgets the others. There are ways to "make a living" that don't involve you doing what you are doing to art.

I don't even understand the point of the argument. It's not like comedy wrestling is "taking over" or anything. In big promotions its usually one or two guys who do it in the mid card, and often acts as a good pallette cleanser. And even then it's got a basis in reality, like yanos stuff. As far as the really ridiculous stuff goes, its in small promotions like DDT and Chikara for niche audiences that appreciate it. It's not being forced on anyone. You have to go looking for it just to see it.

And if you can't seperate a wrestler competing seriously, from something he did for a niche audience 10 years ago, that's youf problem, not his.