Just yesterday according to you it wasn't $6
million, the economic impact to Utah was "just a fraction" because as a
"businessman" you only looked at "profits". Before that you
looked at tax revenue, so it was only $500K.

Now go read the article
again and figure out how $10 million from subsidies helped Utah football produce
over $10.3 in GSP and $18.2 million in Output, the same two "indirect"
economic measurements you ignored originally.

"Output is the
value of all goods and services produced in the economy, including the value of
goods and services used as intermediate inputs in the production of final goods
and services. The value of final goods and services thus embodies the value of
their intermediate inputs. Subtracting the value of intermediate inputs from the
value of final goods and services gives the value added through production. This
value added approximates the gross state product,which is what it is
called in the table. Gross state product is the state-level analog of the widely
reported gross domestic product at the national level."

@DuckyThe article doesn't give a breakdown of the subsidies, it just
gives the total of the subsidies, but that is of no consequence for our
discussion here, the fact is utah's athletic department is a 12.7 mil loser
on its own.

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It is a of consequence if you
cry about it and not even have a dog in the fight.

Again, you pay
taxes so you have the right to be outraged if you so choose.

But
you don't pay student fees or donate to the program, so why are you so
outraged on how other's choose to spend their money?

We get it,
Utah is in the red and you're happier than the Pillsbury dough boy on his
way to a baking convention. But stop the fake concern for Utah students.

Who said I was "outraged"? I certainly didn't
say that. I am opposed to it though. I think utah should be forced to operate on
revenues and never be allowed to operate at a deficit. If those revenues include
subsidies then so be it I guess, I don't have any say in that, although I
will use it to show utah "fans" like yourself again and again that what
utah truly is. It is just ironic with all of the bragging about pac12 riches,
and yes I know utah is not yet getting all they eventually will, that they still
lose money. utah "fans" like yourself, naval, christina, howie, etc.
have spent a lot of time on here telling us about how much more money utah is
already making over what it made just 2 years ago but regardless of that
bragging they are still running deficits and taking huse subsidies just to make
the deficits less than they would be otherwise.

Even you should be
able to see the irony in that although I'm sure you can't appreciate
it the way that I do.

I understand the bonding to build better facilities, I
understand taking the subsidies, I even understand the deficit although I think
that needs to be addressed legislatively. To me this is more about taking the
utah "fans" down about 20 notches from their puffed up, and false,
fiscal arrogance. Their program is a fiscal loser, plain and simple, and it
isn't going to change any time soon.

On the otherhand the
program at BYU actually makes money, several million dollars per year as a
matter of fact, and that is with vastly superior facilities already in place as
well as a vastly more successful overall athletic program. As naval vet would so
"frantically and emtionally" proclaim, edge BYU, huge edge actually.

Have you ever taken the time to stop and think how much tithing
money the church uses to pay for its no profit operations and educational
institutions? I know that the BYU athletic department prides it self by claiming
to be self sufficient via corporate sponsorships (yet they refuse to ever
publish the data), even if that is true, what about the University as a whole?
Money from poor brothers and sisters in the Philippines and Chile is being used
to pay for the University. They don't release the data so you don't
have to face it, but look in your heart and ask yourself if you think that is
right.

You can't be serious. Tithing paid by
brothers and sisters in the Philippines and Chile are being funneled to BYU? You
probably don't realize that 100% of tithing dollars coming from third world
countries stays in those countries to pay for local houses of worship, including
chapels and temples. And 100% is usually not enough to sustain their local
infrastructure so money from outside those countries is often used to make up
the difference. Therefore you're going to have to try harder to think of a
way to disparage BYU on the topic of tithing.

P.S. Foreign member
students are eligible to attend BYU and take advantage of the discounted tuition
and many do considering the diverse student body that attends.

P.P.S.
If any members of the LDS church really have such a problem with maybe a
microscopic fraction of their tithing dollars going to BYU, then just stop
paying it. No one's forcing you. If you're worried about how any of
that money is spent then you really don't get it and would just be better
off giving yourself a 10% raise.

Aside from the fact you obviously don't
know what you are talking about, as giantfan so aptly pointed out, there is also
the small fact that no one is forced to pay tithing. It is a choice and those
that pay it, like myself, do so willingly and do not question how it is used as
we all know it is being used properly and wisely. None of it is used for BYU
athletics by the way, BYU turns a multi million dollar profit on athletics, one
of only 6 schools to do so.

That said I don't have any problem
with the money the state spends on its higher education system either, that
includes the university of utah, I just have a problem with a program that takes
massive subsidies and still runs a deficit. Fiscal brains are obviously lacking
in the utah athletic department.

Next time actually try to make an
argument with some credibility behind it.

The truth is that neither of you where any of that money is going. No financial
records are released, ever. So you can make all these claims about 100% stays
here or there, and profitability but until the books become public knowledge
these statements have no credibility.

Then what in the world is your point? You
don't know where it's going either. To claim that money from a poor
Philipino family is going to fund BYU is just irresponsible and inflammatory
since neither of us knows, right?

Tithing is an exercise in faith.
We don't have any say in what happens to it and we are to trust that church
leaders endowed by god will be responsible stewards of it. If you're a
little weak-kneed when paying your tithing then you really have two options:
Find the faith to pay it or don't pay it at all. Pretty simple, right? And
if you don't pay tithing already then why do you care where it goes?

As a taxpayer, I despise paying taxes to subsidize the athletic programs of
universities who can't operate in the black.

Somehow I
don't think my business would pay the leader $2 - $6 million per year if
they can't be profitable. Let's get back to paying college coaches
$200k - $300k per year which is comparable with their responsibilities in the
private sector.

$2 - $6 million per year is comparable to a CEO who
runs a very profitable company with tens of thousands of employees.