=D it looks like that engine brace on the new m3 will fit on the f30! Get your wallets out for some awesome OEM bolt ons!!!

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Originally Posted by FrankiE90

here's the F30 body chassis with the N55 /
other picts posted is from E90 chassis with N55 -

-would like to see prodcution shots with the bumper off of the F80.
be funny if a you find a hair blow dry'r under there.
just as long as there's plenty of head room for more power from this engine -
bueno.

thats what i thought at firs,t but that white reservoir thing on the left side of the engine in the F30 335 looks like it would get in the way of the brace

Should fit, that reservoir looks as to sit below the wiring "loom"(don't know what its called) and the brace itself sits over the "loom". Since i noticed that both cars have the same "loom" in similar positions, granted thats only if they are mounted in the same place.

Yeah, 'cause looking at a massive airbox and intake plenum is sooooo sexy.

You seriously think the turbo engine bay looks better? Seriously???

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Let me get this straight... You are swapping out parts designed by some of the top engineers in the world because some guys sponsored by a company told you it's "better??" But when you ask the same guy about tracking, "oh no, I have a kid now" or "I just detailed my car." or "i just got new tires."

We agree on the topic of skimping on R&D. I'm holding my judgement until it releases but if there isn't much new technology in there, or if the engine isn't different enough (higher displacement), I'll be disappointed.

But first, how can you say the price is near the GT-R which starts around 100k where this car will start around 60k? That's a nearly 40% difference and I can say I might be in the market for this vehicle and DEFINITELY not a GT-R due to the price alone.

About the American muscle, I feel like a lot of people buy these high performance german cars and not their american counterparts because I feel like a lot of people are looking for the total package. Some American cars match these cars in performance but dont provide the total aural experience and luxury. How many times have we heard people complain about the cheap-o interior on american cars?

Remember an M3 is not a go-fast machine, it's a highly emotional and high precision tool (or at least we expect it to be lol). My E46 M3 is dated as many "regular" cars have 333 horsepower now. To top it off it's a vert so its not the fastest car out there. But I don't get the same feeling driving my friend's Camaro that I get from driving mine. Its just different man.

I'm not sure if I'll buy this new one though unless it gives me that same feeling.

$96k gets you a GT-R that comes ready to go for maximum performance offered from the mfg. If you want the top of the line track performance for the M3, you're going to have to dole out about $75-80k for this guy. I imagine BMW will come out with a CCB package, sports package, magnetic suspension, DCT upgrade, extra bracing and add-ons and you name it.

Obviously it won't be a GT-R competitor. Not even close. But the GT-R is HIGHLY competent as both a tourer and a track monster 2+2 saloon car. What's $15k when you're dropping $80k already? My point being, BMW needs to offer people more performance for their dollar these days. Performance is getting cheap from all angles in the car industry.

Still no dipstick.... Damm. Anyway the 1M goes like the clappers and the low-end torque is amaizing! The exaust doesnt sound bad....I think it sounds mean. Cant wait to testdrive this babe!!! I hope shes lighter...please BMW!!

My E46 M3 is dated as many "regular" cars have 333 horsepower now. To top it off it's a vert so its not the fastest car out there. But I don't get the same feeling driving my friend's Camaro that I get from driving mine. Its just different man.

I'm not sure if I'll buy this new one though unless it gives me that same feeling.

Take the M3 and the Camaro around a few corners and the difference will be clear

Still no dipstick.... Damm. Anyway the 1M goes like the clappers and the low-end torque is amaizing! The exaust doesnt sound bad....I think it sounds mean. Cant wait to testdrive this babe!!! I hope shes lighter...please BMW!!

I guess this is the major change from NA M3's of the past. The FI brings in much more low end torque. Hopefully the maximum power will always be at the upper end of the rev range.

There will always be Akrapovic to improve the exhaust note if necessary.

Air-to-liquid (let's not assume it's water) are superior to air-to-air for a few reasons. Namely, much less plumbing between the turbo and TB (significantly less lag) and much higher thermal efficiency.

They're more complicated and heavier than air-to-air, which is why they aren't that ubiquitous.

IMHO - this is a huge win.

My big fear was that this car would be a street queen given the turbo engine/resulting heat issues. A2L goes a long way to making this a trackable car.

How's running hot coolant to cool the intake air temp more effective than a fmic that's exposed to much cooler temps (relative wind) than hot coolant?