That's just it; I am contending for the sake of this thread that forces are, indeed, attempting to lower the birth-rate and eliminate the family unit
as a locus of power & decision-making in the west.

Until about 20 years ago, there was an assumption that society existed to help people start and nurture families. There were noise ordinances in
residential neighborhoods, as well as curfews for children. Most of these laws are now off the books; likewise zoning ordinances that control how
close liquor stores and "adult entertainment" can be built near schools have been repealed. Whether or not this is part of a conscious plan, many
people are noticing that there is a definite trend which favors any 'alternate lifestyle' over traditional two-parent families

There is another thread on ATS (that someone else started) which contends that parenting is more difficult now than in the past, due to constraints on
parents.

I have oodles of kids, by the way. I get harassed constantly by the authorities for it, too. That's what I'm saying here.

You aren't wrong! Anything and everything having to do with families is under attack. Add to your list a couple more items, one being how every
media source is saturated with sex and anti-family stuff, and another being how girls' clothing is often very inappropriate. How any television
shows, promoted to children, are filled with stuff that they couldn't have eve shown on television some years back? The clothing is worse. I am
talking things my girls would never think of wearing, stuff that looks like nightclub wear for young women, sized for pre-teens.

And, yes,, that's one reason for this current issue. Not the only reason, but definitely part of it. Even Brave New World didn't have it this
twisted.

You're confusing puritanical authoritarians losing their struggle to force individuals to conform to gender and sexual norms or face mistreatment with
a "war on the traditional family."

It's obvious that not only are you completely clueless about biology, psychology, sociology and history but also political ideology.

Whose really closer to embracing totalitarianism here? Those who want individuals to have the freedom to live openly as their true selves or those who
can't get their noses out of people's bedrooms and restroom stalls for fear that somebody else might be doing something they don't approve of?

This "war on the family" nonsense is nothing more than an attempt to prove harm where there is none to justify a deeply rooted desire to impose one's
will on others.

Where was the big transgender upheaval in the past? Sure seems to come out of nowhere all of a sudden.

OP is correct in his theory. Keep digging, you're gonna find out # you can't unlearn, unless you already have, and this is a thread you made for the
sake of others.

The long-term goal is to destroy the family (a goal for every totalitarian movement) by destroying the definitions of fatherhood/motherhood man/woman,
etc., and by sexualizing children as well as teens and adults.

I am not sure that that is the goal of these people, but that is certainly the result.

That's not the result. Proof, uh...my family is still together. Not destroyed. We're good.

Having read the Op’s point and initial hypothesis on what all is going on.
The initial conclusion is that this is to destroy the family, and that this is the reason for the current bathroom issues that are coming up.

I do not believe this to be the case. The American family has been in trouble for years, long before this issue came up. Much of the ground work was
laid back before the current generation was born, around the early 1900’s, and got started with various movements. Back then, there were many laws
on the books, one of the more disturbing ones happened to be where the state could look at a person or a family and then forcibly sterilize them, and
then there was the eugenics movements. That failed miserably, and after World War II, the new ground work was laid down, slowly and steadily. In the
1973, began the raise of the CPS, the child protection services. This was to stop child abuse from occurring, and then like all government agencies,
quickly began to be perverted, to go beyond what it should have been, and thus started the problems in the country. Around that time laws were laid,
and are now on the books, where the things that say a school could do, was removed and it was handed to the police force.

This thing about the about the bathroom battles, that is far more insidious than many people would consider, as the legislatures wanting to pass this
need a new scapegoat and they have found one group that has been very private and wanting to be out the public light to use as such. For years before
that, many transsexuals used the restroom of their choice without any problems before then, with no issues at all. But the legislatures, need a new
scapegoat and are targeting this one group, using them as the big bad bogey man now. Ask yourself this, when you found out that the federal
government was listening in on your telephone calls, or reading your emails, how did you feel? Were you upset, or did you just accept that invasion
on your privacy? Laws like this will force more of an invasion on personal privacy, now people are going to have to present an ID or a birth
certificate just to use the bathroom, or subject to a pat down? And if you are worried about men in the bathroom, then what do you think this law is
going to do? Are you going to be happy if you are in a store, and seeing a person, who looks like a man, dresses like a man, walks like a man, go
into the ladies room, or a person who looks like a woman, dresses like a woman, walks like a woman go into the mens room? Cause ultimately that is
what is going to happen.

And if you look at some of the laws that are being proposed, one can only wonder why are they so focused on this issue, like say Kansas, instead of
trying to solve real issues, like the budget problems that many states are having to solve? It seems like this is an issue that is being used as a
political tool, to draw the attention away from what is really important.

And if one looks at some of these laws being proposed, it is not just about bathrooms, but far more insidious and designed to discriminate if not
deliberately keep the people down. Take the North Carolina law, HB2. You do realize this law, apart from the bathroom, removed justice for all of
the citizens in that state, where if a person was being discriminated against, would not have to seek justice at the local level, and in short forbid
the cities from trying to make it where people would make a living wage. All nice and tidy in one law, that was pushed through so fast, it was done
in less than a week.

And if you think that this is not going to affect you and your family, guess again. You can not legislate a wicked law. You can only harm, and it
will harm both its defenders and those that oppose it. Now comes the fall out, cause the door is open, and when those it seeks to discriminate avoid
such, what do you think the next step will be? People will then make conclusions and accusations based on what they believe to be in their eyes.

originally posted by: redempsh
The long-term goal is to destroy the family (a goal for every totalitarian movement) by destroying the definitions of fatherhood/motherhood man/woman,
etc., and by sexualizing children as well as teens and adults.

Why does your family mean less if someone else wants to have a different kind of family? Do you define your own worth and the worth of your own
family by how many people can be excluded from forging the same kind of relationship? When you're in a restaurant, does your steak not taste as good
if everyone has a steak? Most conservatives seem to believe in individual rights and yet they're also the ones most likely to be meddling in someone
else's life - telling someone else how to live. In case you didn't know, someone wanting to live differently than you isn't actually an attack on
your lifestyle. My suggestion is that if you mind your own business and respect your neighbors' individuality, you'll live a happier life. Give it a
shot.

originally posted by: andrewh7
My suggestion is that if you mind your own business and respect your neighbors' individuality, you'll live a happier life. Give it a shot.

it's always about someone else's feelings. Someone else's feelings are more important that mine/my kids. Some dude says he feels like a chick, and
so he wants to loiter while my wife tries to help my daughter try on a dress in the changing room. And I'm not supposed to snap him like a twig, all
because he's not sure if he's a girl this week.

I'm not supposed to even question him, if he plays the transgender card. Notice that he doesn't have to be wearing a dress or anything. He can dress
like one of the freaking Village People, or all of them at once; but if he SAYS he's a girl until Thursday, then no body, not myself or the police or
the store, can question his motives in the bathroom. He has a "right" to be in the bathroom, striking up a conversation with my daughter, maybe
playing with his cell phone while he does it.

Well La De Freakin' Dah.

edit on 17/5/2016 by redempsh because: had to edit; I just saw the Fnords!!!!

My goodness, people with guns might kill people! Actually, people with guns have killed people. How many people have been accosted by actual
transgenders in restrooms?

probably none. But it used to be on the books that you couldn't use the "other" restroom in, say, a football stadium.

I haven't ever had any problems with trannies trying to molest my kids. But i HAVE had a guy follow them around. And now, suddenly, he can follow
them into the bathroom, claiming he is a she, too. And no one is supposed to have a problem with it now. He's just expressing himself, once he
CLAIMS he's trans.

The world has been run by people with filthy habits and sick minds for a long time just take a look at Britain just about every sick bastard there has
a Knighthood,look at Hastert people as high as third in line to the Presidency have molested and forced there lusts upon others,well now these
perversions are coming mainstream with confusion running rampant they will have a field day i do not care what you do in your own home but I will not
sanction preaching deviancy as normality.

it may have been a city ordinance regarding public restrooms. The police and the management cleared women out of the mens room who complained that
the lines in the women's was too long. But hey. I was only there. You were on the internet, so you know better.

"That's just it; I am contending for the sake of this thread that forces are, indeed, attempting to lower the birth-rate and eliminate the family unit
as a locus of power & decision-making in the west."

What "forces"?? I believe there are better ways to lower the birth rate than eliminating the family unit.

Why does there need to be a designated "Men's Room" and a designated "Women's Room"?

At the college my daughter goes to (albeit, it is a very liberal institution), EVERY restroom is for anyone -- even the restrooms with urinals that
previously existed before the un-designation to go along with the row of toilet stalls. Any heterosexual woman using a restroom could be using it
(and often does) at the same time as a heterosexual man. Or transgender, or homosexual, or whatever.

Even the dormatory restrooms are all unisex (with multiple toilet stalls and even multiple shower stalls). That took a little getting used to for me
as a father, but after just a little while, I saw it as no big deal. The students also see it as no big deal.

So what if North Carolina (ar anywhere) simply stopped designating restrooms as "Men's" or "Women's", and had all restrooms available for anyone?

edit on 2016-5-17 by Soylent Green Is People because: (no reason given)

If this was to protect children, then why were lawmakers, and ministers excluded from the laws themselves? Lawmakers have been shown time and time
again to have done such in the past, and minsters, well they too have been shown to be a danger to children when left alone with them. So why were
they not included in any of these laws that are there to protect children? One would have figured that they would have at least taken steps and had
banned Catholic Priests from even being alone with said children, and other denominations as well, where the minister was shown and proven in a court
of law that they have done such.

originally posted by: kaylaluv
Did you know that homosexuals and transgender people have families? Did you hear about the transgender male who held off on sexual reassignment
surgery until he could have a child with his female partner? Did you know that many homosexual couples have children with sperm donors and/or
surrogates?

There are plenty of same sex parent households with kids, an SUV, a backyard, picket fence - the whole "family experience".

That's a nice story there why don't you make a thread about it. /sarcasm

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