Mother Patricia Mary, right, and nurse Friary Nguyen visit 99-year-old resident Helen Reichenbach in her room at the Mullen Home for the Aged, run by Little Sisters of the Poor, in Denver on Jan. 2. Acting at the request of Little Sisters of the Poor, Justice Sonia Sotomayor temporarily blocked the Obama administration from forcing some religious-affiliated groups to provide health insurance coverage of birth control or face penalties as part of the Affordable Care Act. (Brennan Linsley, The Associated Press)

As an obstetrician/gynecologist, I would like to thank the Denver Post for affirming the importance of contraceptive coverage within the Affordable Care Act. I see the importance of access to affordable contraception every day. Patients are grateful I can help get them on birth control methods so they don’t have to worry about an unintended pregnancy. Contraception is a fundamental component of preventive health care that all women should have unrestricted access to, regardless of who they work for.

Juliana Melo, M.D., Denver

This letter was published in the Jan. 15 edition.

The Denver Post argues that requiring organizations such as the Little Sisters of the Poor to buy contraceptives will help reduce the number of abortions and unwanted pregnancies. At the same time, Obamacare is being marketed to young women with the promise that easy access to birth control will make it easier to get that “hot guy” between “the sheets.” A better way to encourage contraceptive use would be through tax incentives for companies that provide contraceptive coverage or for individual women who buy their own contraceptives.

Paul C. Robbins, Arvada

This letter was published in the Jan. 15 edition.

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The doctor is right, every woman should have access to contraceptives. And Paul Robbins is right, women should pay for their own, like my wife and 3 daughters did.

#2 Comment By Tbone On January 14, 2014 @ 5:55 pm

If they have insurance, guess what?

They are paying for their own.

I’m going to take a guess that your wife and daughters have insurance?

By your logic, why are we paying for their contraceptives?

#3 Comment By thor On January 14, 2014 @ 6:05 pm

When you are wrong,you are really wrong. We had no,read NO,insurance when my wife bought contraceptives. As for my daughters, one is in her 40’s and the other two are in their mid to late 30’s. Do you really think (Which you don’t seem to do) about it, they most likely paid and are paying for contraceptives out of pocket. So,Tbone, you have nothing to worry about. No money will be coming out of your pocket for my daughters contraceptives. But mostly you won’t have to be concerned because my daughters are responsible people who plan ahead.

#4 Comment By Tbone On January 14, 2014 @ 6:13 pm

So you weren’t responsible enough to have health insurance in the first place. And you try to shame people who are responsible? Sad. Just sad.

Regarding your daughters – In other words, you have no idea if they paid out of pocket. If they have insurance, chances are the BC was covered. So why are we paying for your daughter’s BC?

And how are you paying for someone else’s BC? I’ve been waiting for months for an answer to that question. I have insurance. Does that mean you’re paying for my health care? You have insurance. Why should we pay for yours?

#5 Comment By peterpi On January 14, 2014 @ 6:17 pm

Strictly religious organizations are a cinch. Roman Catholic monastic orders, such as Little Sisters of the Poor, are part and parcel of the Roman Catholic Church (RCC), and therefore, should not have to distribute contraception to nuns. Presumably, the nuns don’t need them if they are following their vows.
For-profit companies are a different story. How many defenders of these companies’ “right” to tell women what to do would support a Christian Scientist-owned company’s “right” to have its health insurance deny payments for blood transfusions? A Scientologist-owned company’s “right” to deny psychiatric coverage?
So, the Hercules Industries owner thinks women who use contraception are violating God’s law, and is interested in saving these women’s souls. How sweet, … He can go become a priest or monk. How about Hercules stick to heating and ventilation, and leave its women employees’ souls alone? I don’t think the RCC agrees with drugs like Viagra and Cialis, either. Is Hercules also denying coverage of those male drugs? I bet not.
Read my lips: It’s all about controlling women.
A “religious conscience” exemption for private business owners would be a powerful “right”, with all sorts of unintended consequences. I could see an Orthodox Jewish-owned business decreeing that — since Jewish Halachic law forbids intermixing of the sexes, as the men might have dangerous, lustful thoughts — no woman can hold an executive position in the company, for example.

#6 Comment By Robtf777 On January 14, 2014 @ 6:21 pm

“As an obstetrician/gynecologist, I would like to thank the Denver Post
for affirming the importance of contraceptive coverage within the
Affordable Care Act. I see the importance of access to affordable
contraception every day. Patients are grateful I can help get them on
birth control methods so they don’t have to worry about an unintended
pregnancy. Contraception is a fundamental component of preventive health
care that all women should have unrestricted access to, regardless of
who they work for”

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Then……..Juliana Melo, M.D., Denver…….provide it as you see fit…..and pay for it yourself……as you see fit.

The issues are (1) Is it a medical NECESSITY.? (2) can it…could it….does it…..lead to sexual behavior and sexual activity that some people think promotes IMMORALITY? (3) If #1 is ‘no’ and #2 is ‘yes’……why should anyone be forced to provide it and pay for it?

Perhaps the good Juliana Melo, M.D., Denver……can start her own non-profit…..”charity” service……nationwide…..something akin to the ACLU and Planned Parenthood……where she and like-minded individual and businesses can donate all the money, time, and resources they want to……to provide whatever “services” or “products” they legally can provide…….to the General Public and/or whoever they want to……At Their Own Expense…..and leave The Taxpayers and “Moral” Private Businesses…..OUT OF THE PICTURE…..completely.

Wow. What a concept!

#7 Comment By Robtf777 On January 14, 2014 @ 6:26 pm

“The Denver Post argues that requiring organizations such as the Little
Sisters of the Poor to buy contraceptives will help reduce the number of
abortions and unwanted pregnancies.

At the same time, Obamacare is being marketed to young women with the promise that easy access to birthcontrol will make it easier to get that “hot guy” between “the sheets.”

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The issues are (1) Is it a medical NECESSITY.? (2) can it…could it….does it…..lead to sexual behavior and sexual activity that some people think promotes IMMORALITY? (3) If #1 is ‘no’ and #2 is ‘yes’……why should anyone be forced to provide it and pay for it?

“We” aren’t paying for anything my daughters do. Stay on that road,because you have absolutely NO argument that makes sense. You are good at liberal spin,but short on facts and understanding. And you have no business chastising me for things I did in the past. I never once failed to pay for any health care we received while not insured. You are really desperate to score debate points if the arguments you make are framed like they are. You are to be pitied. And your last paragraph makes no sense, so why did you write it?

#9 Comment By thor On January 14, 2014 @ 6:32 pm

Not having health insurance in the early 70’s was common. Are you going to condemn a whole decade? I guess you will. Like I wrote, you are clueless and can only spin. Spin away and we will let others judge.

#10 Comment By peterpi On January 14, 2014 @ 6:35 pm

Regarding your first sentence, try telling that to a woman who goes into a pharmacy to pick up her contraception prescription at a pharmacy that carries contraception, only to run into a pharmacy assistant whose “freedom of conscience” causes him to tell her that contraception is a sin, and there is no way she is getting that prescription, and by the way, there is no one else there who can fulfill her order.
Don’t accuse me of over-stating, thor. In eight states that is perfectly legal. In those states, a pharmacy who refuses to hire such a person can be sued for religious discrimination. And, social conservatives are trying to expand this to more states.

#11 Comment By Dave52 On January 14, 2014 @ 6:40 pm

Lets examine the free market at work here. The new limits (15-20% overhead and profit) on insurance company greed dictate that they have to return to the policy holders the portion of premiums not used on actual medical care. The Little Sisters of the Poor are not going to be hitting up the insurance for contraceptive nor maternity costs. Just think of how much money they’ll get back – versus, say, the group insurance for Hooters waitresses.

#12 Comment By peterpi On January 14, 2014 @ 6:44 pm

As an aside, it’s amazing how many conservative religious interpretations, among a wide variety of religions — including Christianity, impose all sorts of restrictions on women, to protect men from the men’s lustful dangerous thoughts.
I have an absolutely crazy thought: How about teaching men to use self-control? To keep their thoughts and hands and other parts to themselves? To not blame women for their own faults? To grow up and take responsibility for their own behavior?

#13 Comment By peterpi On January 14, 2014 @ 6:52 pm

I would still exempt religious organizations like Little Sisters of the Poor, which are wholly controlled by a religion.

#14 Comment By Tbone On January 14, 2014 @ 7:07 pm

How exactly are you paying for someone else’s BC when they have insurance?

Then by that logic, we’re all forced to pay for you, and your daughter’s health care.

It’s a simple question.,How are you paying for someone else’s health care?

#15 Comment By Dave52 On January 14, 2014 @ 7:08 pm

Religious organizations often hire people to take out the trash, mop floors, teach classes, nurse the sick, and so on, individuals who may not necessarily adhere to the strict tenants of the church. Medical insurance covers a whole host of illnesses for which different groups have remarkably different risk factors.

We should keep in mind that contraceptives are rather often prescribed for irregular periods, dangerously excessive bleeding, etc – which was the case for my oldest daughter. Getting through college with part-time jobs and loans, the $600 a year she had to spend on her prescription represented a months’ work study.

#16 Comment By Tbone On January 14, 2014 @ 7:10 pm

It’s also common today. Don’t try to pin your lack of responsibility on “the 7o’s”. And you actually complain about other people and their insurance?

#17 Comment By Pilgrim On January 14, 2014 @ 7:33 pm

I agree. Oral contraceptives are even prescribed for women entering menopause to help with changes in hormones. There should be no exclusions.

#18 Comment By Pilgrim On January 14, 2014 @ 7:38 pm

“Oral contraceptives” aren’t just used for birth control. For example it’s commonly prescribed for premenstrual dysphorphic disorder. It’s like other medical conditions insurance pays for. Does that make it easier to swallow?

#19 Comment By peterpi On January 14, 2014 @ 7:42 pm

2) is in the eye of the beholder, as you haven’t been declared God’s Representative on Earth — as least not yet.
I might feel that denying women contraception, while at the same time making abortion illegal, is hypocritical, and therefore immoral.
Another example, it has been argued that a recent HPV vaccine promotes promiscuity, as it prevents a disease that can cause uterine cancer, and fear of uterine cancer keeps women in line. Therefore, there should be no funds expended for HPV vaccine.
Maintaining roads can cause young couples to find “lovers’ lanes”, an activity that could lead to “sexual behavior and sexual activity that some people think promotes IMMORALITY”.
Your 2) contains so many conditionals, it could be used to deny funding for anything. Or is that the idea?

#20 Comment By Hankalish On January 14, 2014 @ 8:32 pm

NFW…that is just too funny! Can’t stop laughing!!!

#21 Comment By thor On January 14, 2014 @ 8:49 pm

pete, you can’t use the pharmacy assistant example because it isn’t realistic. I worked in groceries for years and I do not drinkfor biblical reasons. But I sold beer to people because it was my job. I would fire the pharmacy assistant on the spot if that person did what you suggest.

#22 Comment By thor On January 14, 2014 @ 8:51 pm

You make no sense,as I pointed out before.

#23 Comment By thor On January 14, 2014 @ 8:51 pm

And you are telling me this,why?

#24 Comment By thor On January 14, 2014 @ 8:52 pm

I have never complained about other people and their insurance, or lack there of. You are going down that road,not me.

#25 Comment By thor On January 14, 2014 @ 8:54 pm

jagoff: a term used by someone who is losing a debate. It is akin to calling someone a teabagger. People with the inability to form cogent arguments often fall back on using these two terms. There is no cure for this.

#26 Comment By thor On January 14, 2014 @ 8:56 pm

Galatians 22. One of the fruit of the Spirit. Self control is simply controlling yourself. I am with one this point,fully.

#27 Comment By peterpi On January 14, 2014 @ 9:03 pm

It’s funny/sad, but I don’t know what it’s apropos of.

#28 Comment By Pilgrim On January 14, 2014 @ 9:04 pm

“The doctor is right, every woman should have access to contraceptives. And Paul Robbins is right, women should pay for their own, like my wife and 3 daughters did.”

You seem to be worked up over contraceptives being covered by insurance. You think women should pay for it themselves even if it treats medical conditions other than birth control. That’s why.

#29 Comment By peterpi On January 14, 2014 @ 9:08 pm

And in those states I mentioned, you’d be sued. It’s happening right now.
Those eight states are a beach head. They want to expand the conscience clause for pharmacy assistants to other states.
If it were me, and I theoretically had that type of opposition to contraception, I’d work at a pharmacy that didn’t carry it. But that’s too simple for these folks.
I think its great that you sold people products you yourself wouldn’t use, for religious or other reasons. But, wanting to influence control over others because of one’s own preferences, is not limited to liberals, as you so often suggest.

#30 Comment By peterpi On January 14, 2014 @ 9:13 pm

May I ask (feel free to tell me to mind my own business):
If you don’t drink for biblical reasons, what do you make of Jesus of Nazareth’s miracle at Cana, where he turned water into wine, and other biblical passages that appear to approve of drinking in moderation?

#31 Comment By thor On January 14, 2014 @ 9:35 pm

Are we talking about a woman who has been told by a doctor to use contraceptives for a medical reason other than to prevent pregnancy, or are we talking about using contraceptives in order to not get pregnant? I have no problem with the first,and a huge problem with the later. Your point is not well made, but I don’t blame you for trying.

#32 Comment By Pilgrim On January 14, 2014 @ 9:53 pm

What’s wrong with my point? The use of birth control pills for medical reasons other than birth control is very common therefore you should have no objection. BTW you’re response was weak but here’s a thumbs up for trying .

#33 Comment By peterpi On January 14, 2014 @ 10:08 pm

Not to mention “not getting pregnant” is a perfectly valid “medical reason”.
“I want to, um, get it up” seems to be a perfectly valid “medical reason” for insurors to cover Viagra, Cialis, etc.
I’d say using the medical reason from the first sentence to address consequences of the medical reason of the second sentence is perfectly valid.

#34 Comment By Dano2 On January 14, 2014 @ 10:52 pm

Double standards and a p&nis pump isn’t a s–t pill.

That is: every corporation and their brother won’t suddenly become a religious order to cut off money for a p&nis pump.

Best,

D

#35 Comment By Tbone On January 15, 2014 @ 8:12 am

“women should pay for their own”

#36 Comment By Tbone On January 15, 2014 @ 8:13 am

Answer the question. You, and thousands of other selfish conservatives have been claiming for months you’re somehow paying for people’s BC. How?

#37 Comment By guesswhodrews On January 15, 2014 @ 9:08 am

Selfish conservatives? LOLz. Another bumper sticker from a lefty that can’t carry on a coherent discussion.

#38 Comment By toohip On January 15, 2014 @ 9:09 am

Remind me which century we live in again?? Someone needs to remind Paul Robbins, who still believes from the 1950’s that birth control is just a means to increase sexual activity and get that slutty woman to get the hot guy between the sheets. Wow.

If this works, that what ever your religion is you can avoid the law, maybe we need a religion that doesn’t believe in paying taxes, hates government, . . wait, we already have that called the Republican Party!

#39 Comment By guesswhodrews On January 15, 2014 @ 9:09 am

And the car insurance companies should pay for your oil changes I suppose.

and for younger women to control an excessive, bad menstrual cycle. There are many applications other than “getting the hot guy between the sheets!”

#42 Comment By toohip On January 15, 2014 @ 9:24 am

No help from dad or hubby? What if they can’t afford it or have a union-member employed dad that has good health insurance that provides it? I guess take Nancy’s advice and “just say no?”

#43 Comment By toohip On January 15, 2014 @ 9:26 am

“I do not drink for biblical reasons.” WT.. .!
What else do you not do . . “for biblical reasons?” Think. . .”freely?” So you take your job first. . your bible second? What if your boss, tells you not to sell beer or contraceptives because he “believes” it’s wrong? After all, he’s your boss, and it’s your (gulp!) job!

#44 Comment By toohip On January 15, 2014 @ 9:28 am

I think you just baited Robt! Be afraid!

#45 Comment By toohip On January 15, 2014 @ 9:31 am

You’re a good husband/dad, thor to keep your wife and daughters from getting pregnant. Actually Tbone and I would be glad to contribute to your wife’s and daughter’s contraceptives to prevent a life-altering event that could affect us, not just them. Glad you got good union-based medical insurance! We are, concerned about your daughters. . it’s the way “we” are! Can we buy you a beer?

#46 Comment By toohip On January 15, 2014 @ 9:32 am

ouch! Good one T! Hypocrisy, where is thy sting! Can’t wait for thor’s “free-thinking” response!

#47 Comment By toohip On January 15, 2014 @ 9:34 am

Why was in common in the 70’s thor? Are you going to trip yourself up again, and make a case for Obamacare now?! I don’t think it’s us that are “spinning.” We’re getting dizzy as we watch you dance around your hypocrisy. It’s a familiar tune. I’d give it a 78, but it’s hard to dance to! ;o)

#48 Comment By toohip On January 15, 2014 @ 9:35 am

“I have never complained about other people ” wow

#49 Comment By toohip On January 15, 2014 @ 9:37 am

Thor, this is what happens when your free-thinking mind starts expelling your personal rhetoric and experiences. Stick to the boiler plate TeaHadi agenda, and you won’t trip yourself up like this all the time, and have to start attacking the messenger, rather than the message. You’re really sounding desperate now.

#50 Comment By toohip On January 15, 2014 @ 9:39 am

My daughter suffered from horrendous menstrual cycles, and her doctor and our insurance provided birth control to control the pain and discomfort from these cyclic events, even though she was using other birth control methods. Now that she’s married and wants to have a baby, she has to go off them and suffer the horrendous cramps. . to be a mom. So yes, oral contraceptives have other applications then birth control.

#51 Comment By johnrpack On January 15, 2014 @ 9:39 am

What if we allowed people — not employers, churches, governments, agencies, insurance companies, etc. — to buy the coverage they needed and/or wanted using their own resources? Then we could stop trying to force coverage on anyone.

To implement, we need just two laws (and the repeal of hundreds of others) — 1) giving all medical expenses tax-deductible status and 2) ending employer-provided coverage and requiring employers to add the amount spend company-wide to equally to all employee paychecks.

Then employees would have enough to buy their own policies — and the price shopping that would occur would bring down the price enough for the self-employed, the 27-year-olds, and difficult cases.

#52 Comment By toohip On January 15, 2014 @ 9:40 am

because you’re fixated with oral contraceptives being only about birth control?. . a “moral” issue vs medical.

#53 Comment By toohip On January 15, 2014 @ 9:43 am

“are we talking about using contraceptives in order to not get pregnant? I have no problem with the first,and a huge problem with the later.”
Wait a minute. . didn’t you just tell us you provided (out of your pocket) birth control for your daughters and wife? Was this for medical reasons, or birth control? You answer could prove someone’s point, and erode yours!

This coming from someone so ensconced in the bubble that even reciting talking points is difficult.

You are a massive hypocrite, trying to criticize someone for using “talking points”.

But maybe you can answer the question. Doubtful, though.

#56 Comment By Tbone On January 15, 2014 @ 9:49 am

Stupid talking point. Yawn.

#57 Comment By guesswhodrews On January 15, 2014 @ 10:30 am

Still have a claim in with your car insurance to get them to pay for your oil change?

Answering your question (I’m assuming it is “you’re somehow paying for people’s BC. How?”). The claim comes from lefties who say since health insurance is part of your compensation, you are paying for your own BC through this form of compensation. Compensation is something that is negotiated between employer and employee. Up until 2010, some companies offered health insurance that included birth control while others didn’t. Other companies didn’t even offer any health insurance. If you felt that you needed a company with health insurance that included birth control, you could turn down a job if it didn’t have it.

Then Obama and his minions (you can count yourself among them) have said that in order to be a health insurance policy in American you must include birth control. And they didn’t even put that into the law, but rather put it into regulations from HHS. We are now talking about freedom of religion which is specifically protected by the first amendment. This will go to the Supreme Court for a final determination.

Does health insurance that you’ve had before and didn’t have birth control in it yet through government fiat now does represent your paying for it or does it represent the a strong arm government forcing other people to pay for it?

BTW, I wasn’t accusing you of using talking points, but rather bumper sticker argument. 2 is the talking point parrot.

#58 Comment By bleeth On January 15, 2014 @ 10:55 am

I love it when someone speaks Pittsburghanese.

One so rarely hears it on this side of the country.

#59 Comment By Tbone On January 15, 2014 @ 11:10 am

Conscious clauses are an abomination at best.

#60 Comment By bleeth On January 15, 2014 @ 11:17 am

It’s hypocrisy at it’s finest.

Religious organizations don’t give a whit about viagra and penis pumps. The do care about controlling women though.

This makes it quite clear.

#61 Comment By primafacie On January 15, 2014 @ 12:33 pm

To answer Tbone’s post that has apparently been deleted just as I was typing:

There is no dispute because, apparently, there aren’t religious beliefs that designate penis pumping as a sin, unlike the use of contraceptives by at least one church with a great deal of clout.

Just because you or I happen to disagree doesn’t make that belief wrong.

#62 Comment By rwl On January 15, 2014 @ 1:45 pm

It takes two to Tango.

#63 Comment By rwl On January 15, 2014 @ 1:58 pm

You would be the expert on those pumps.

#64 Comment By rwl On January 15, 2014 @ 2:02 pm

Those without religion, such as yourself, always proclaim to be experts on the subject.

#65 Comment By ktrav On January 15, 2014 @ 2:05 pm

Wow. Mr. Robbins manages to present himself as completely ignorant and massively offensive at the same time.

#66 Comment By bleeth On January 15, 2014 @ 2:16 pm

Arrogant ignorance is the hallmark of religious fundamentalism.

You have no right to dictate anyone’s health care…….even if they believe as you believe.

#67 Comment By peterpi On January 15, 2014 @ 2:27 pm

I dunno, I’m religious, but I think bleeth’s comment is spot on.
Numerous religions are far more hung up about women than they are about men.

#68 Comment By peterpi On January 15, 2014 @ 2:28 pm

It’s an interesting concept.

#69 Comment By peterpi On January 15, 2014 @ 2:33 pm

thor stated why he doesn’t drink.
He didn’t say he wants to force everyone else not to drink. In fact, because he once worked for a store that sold liquor, he rang up people’s liquor purchases. In other words, he allowed others to make their own decisions.
He’s not damning you or me or Pyro or anyone else who has mentioned alcoholic beverages on this website. In fact, he hasn’t said anything at all.
He simply stated he doesn’t drink, for religious reasons.
If you’re not religious, that’s fine with me. But, why condemn thor solely for his religious beliefs alone — just because you can? How does that make you different from when Robtf condemns atheists, solely because he can?

I’ll ask again. Exactly how are you paying for my health care when I have insurance?

“because gubmint” is not an answer. What you said not only makes no sense, it has no basis in reality.

#71 Comment By Tbone On January 15, 2014 @ 3:18 pm

Birth control isn’t a sin, either. Try again.

#72 Comment By Dano2 On January 15, 2014 @ 3:34 pm

pffft. You don’t see athiests shouting at women going into abortion clinics and writing laws for vaginal ultrasounds and forcing the closure of health clinics and keeping dead women alive as vessels for fetii that they will forget about on it’s second day of breathing air (cuz its poor, yasee).

Which means what, exactly?
Why should women be held responsible for a man’s lusty thoughts because she wears a blouse with short sleeves?

#76 Comment By peterpi On January 15, 2014 @ 4:34 pm

What makes you think they’ll wait for the second day?
I think keeping a brain dead woman on life support, against her family’s wishes, because the State says “Thou shalt deliver, … or else!” is revolting.
Furthermore, the woman went into a coma before she was found. The fetus suffered from a lack of oxygen before the woman’s body was found.
Conservatives hate putting government on the backs of people, unless they’re the ones who thought of it.

#77 Comment By primafacie On January 15, 2014 @ 4:56 pm

They say it is. You and I don’t get to decide the rules of their organization.

#78 Comment By Tbone On January 15, 2014 @ 5:16 pm

And they don’t get to force their religious beliefs on others.

#79 Comment By thor On January 15, 2014 @ 9:05 pm

Ask those who wrote the law.

#80 Comment By thor On January 15, 2014 @ 9:06 pm

Thank you for being fair. I am now no longer reading both toohip and robt.

#81 Comment By thor On January 15, 2014 @ 9:15 pm

Good question. I hope you see my answer. Self control is a biblical concept that you mentioned. It is called temperance in the King James. I believe it is okay for Christians to practice self control in all things, including drinking. But for my wife and I,we practice total abstinence in order to let our light shine better. Jesus lived within a culture where drinking was a part of life. But everything He did was premised on His message. The miracle was an expression of His message. It was not a stamp of approval on drinking.

#82 Comment By peterpi On January 15, 2014 @ 10:35 pm

Thank you for your reply.

#83 Comment By guesswhodrews On January 16, 2014 @ 10:02 am

Where will the extra money it costs for BC come from? The government gets it from your and my taxes. Businesses get it from their customers. Are you a tax payer? Are you a consumer? If so, you’ve helped pay for it.

As for you last sentence, what in the world are you talking about?

#84 Comment By Tbone On January 16, 2014 @ 10:12 am

What are you talking about? The gubmint isn’t providing these benefits. These are private insurance policies.if what you’re saying was true, then everyone pays for your prescription benefits, moocher.

#85 Comment By guesswhodrews On January 16, 2014 @ 10:28 am

Actually Medicaid has expanded greatly and the government (that’s the correct spelling) is paying for the benefits. Perhaps your reading comprehension isn’t too good since I addressed private insurance ( Businesses get it from their customers) so we are all paying for it.

As for my prescription benefits, I’m on no prescription drugs so they amount to zero. But why don’t they pay for my aspirin? It’s not fair.

#86 Comment By Tbone On January 16, 2014 @ 10:56 am

Look, I can’t really type any slower. When a private individual buys a private insurance plan through a private provider, how are you paying for it?

As far as medicare goes – the vast majority of medicare spending is for people over 65. You think they’re using a lot of BC? So how exactly are you paying for something they’re not using? How does that work?

As far as businesses go, I have no idea what you’re talking about. I know you think you’re entitled to everything, but you really think you can tell a company what they should cover for insurance? Do you go into every business you frequent and ask what their insurance covers? I noticed you didn’t provide any fake outrage about boner pills. Why is that?

And now you insist that you have the right to get between a doctor and a patient? I thought cons hated that?

#87 Comment By toohip On January 16, 2014 @ 11:34 am

I don’t condemn thor for making a personal choice not to drink and accept his ability not to make those choices for others. We’ll give him a smiley face. But I do find thor’s reason for choosing not to drink “it’s in the bible” a silly reason. Anyone that lets a book like this make choices for them, then yes, that’s at best, silly.
Peter, you’re not only defending thor and Robt, but you’re attacking me. That’s fine, I can take it, but please don’t play the perfect liberal. You’re not. You smack down thor and Robt more than I do.
And you “illogical argument” doesn’t make sense. My point was, thor was saying he was loyal to his job first, his biblical morals second. I was making the point, if his BOSS said he had to sell condoms as a check out clerk or alcohol as a clerk in a liquor store, would he honor his job/boss then? How is that “illogical?” Sorry I offended you Peter, but this wasn’t a personal attack on thor, it was taking to task his source of his moral and his argument.

We are paying for BC in the subsidies (which 79% of the current enrollees are getting). That is how a private individual buys private insurance through a private provider and we end up paying for it.

Go back two postings and you will see I don’t think I can tell a company what they should cover for insurance, but lefties sure do. I have no idea what you are talking about regarding boner pills????

But answer me this. Why do lefties use straw men arguments so frequently in their postings?

#90 Comment By Tbone On January 16, 2014 @ 12:15 pm

No fauxtrage for boner pills. No fauxtrage for penis pumps. Yet somehow righties save all their rage for BC, insisting they have a right to insert themselves into health care decisions.

Got it.

#91 Comment By peterpi On January 16, 2014 @ 12:39 pm

Awww, did I hurt your widdle feewings?
Then don’t read my posts.

It is possible to strongly disagree with people’s philosophy, yet still defend their right to believe as they see fit.
It is possible to disagree with virtually everything someone says, and still find areas of agreement.
You seem to have difficulty grasping that concept.
If I don’t meet your standards of true doctrinaire thinking, or true orthodox thinking, that’s your problem, not mine.

#92 Comment By TLC On January 16, 2014 @ 12:56 pm

In what way? The Denver Post argued as claimed. Obamacare is being marketed as claimed. And what’s ignorant and offensive about proposing a voluntary system (with a carrot) instead of an involuntary system (with a stick). The reference to a hot guy between the sheets is directly taken from the Obamacare marketing campaign, which was indeed an ignorant and offensive campaign.

#93 Comment By TLC On January 16, 2014 @ 1:03 pm

Not sure if you’re ignorant or just dishonest. The reference by Robbins is to the marketing campaign being used in Colorado to sell Obamacare. Here’s the exact text:

“Let’s get physical.

OMG, he’s hot.

Let’s hope he’s as easy to get as this birth control. My insurance covers the pill, which means all I have to worry about is getting him between the covers. ”

If you find this marketing campaign offensive, welcome to the club. But Mr. Robbins is not to blame for how Obama chooses to market his insurance plan.

#94 Comment By guesswhodrews On January 16, 2014 @ 1:05 pm

I’m sorry that I’m not going for your straw man. This is about contraceptive mandate. Honest. Look at the headline.

#95 Comment By thor On January 16, 2014 @ 3:15 pm

Biblical morals call for me to honor what my boss asks of me. You really don’t get it,do you. Pete was right on for scolding you. You need to pull up your pants so that you can figure out what’s going on.

#96 Comment By thor On January 16, 2014 @ 3:16 pm

Not in this life, nor the next. And your defense might get me in more hot water.

#97 Comment By thor On January 16, 2014 @ 3:19 pm

You need to type slow because you think slow. Some of us are talking about paying for contraceptives that we don’t need but we are required to pay for in order to increase the pool.

#98 Comment By Tbone On January 16, 2014 @ 3:48 pm

Which is kinda how insurance works. Why this is suddenly a surprise to some is curious. Well, actually it’s not, we know exactly why the poutrage is happening.

#99 Comment By guesswhodrews On January 16, 2014 @ 4:50 pm

You only have 1/2 of how insurance works. The second half is that you choose what risk you want to take and what risk you want insurance for.

Obamacare is hardly insurance. The government tells the insurance companies what they must have in the minimum pollcy. It tells insurance companies they must insure not only high risk people, but people who are already sick at no increase in premium. It also tells insurance companies they can’t charge anyone in the same age group more for risk factors (other than smoking). Insurance always charged men more for life insurance and women more for health insurance because men died earlier than women and women used more health care than men.

#100 Comment By thor On January 16, 2014 @ 5:41 pm

Making it a law to cover something for ideological reasons is not how it works. And your outrage is noted.

#101 Comment By thor On January 16, 2014 @ 5:43 pm

Do you know the diff between Medicaid and Medicare?

#102 Comment By Tbone On January 16, 2014 @ 6:22 pm

Holy crap, talk about a complete and total lack of self awareness….that is amazing.

Also, nice of you to admit that the health of half of our population is nothing more than ideology to you. Pretty much affirms that whole war on women.

#103 Comment By thor On January 16, 2014 @ 6:43 pm

You mean the war started by liberals on the lives of the 25,000,000 women who aren’t allowed to realize their full potential because they are killed in the womb? Or how about the Democrats who want voters to think they’ll do anything to defend women. But when women in San Diego were allegedly harassed, marginalized and exploited by a Democrat mayor, most Democrats said nothing. Or how about Ted Kennedy and Mary Jo Kopekni? Yeah,the real war on women is coming from your side of the aisle.

#104 Comment By Tbone On January 16, 2014 @ 6:57 pm

Nope. That all you got? I can top that in just 3 days of republican outrage, like the guy yesterday that said marital rape doesn’t exist.

#105 Comment By Pilgrim On January 16, 2014 @ 7:18 pm

Wow! It’s a potpourri of outrage points. The subject is the insurance mandate for contraceptive coverage. We’ve already established that these drugs are used for many medical purposes other that preventing pregnancy. As stated previously preventing pregnancy is also a valid medical use of these drugs. It’s time to go have a nice big glass of warm milk and calm yourself down.

#106 Comment By Pilgrim On January 16, 2014 @ 7:25 pm

Stand clear. Thor is starting to thrash wildly.

#107 Comment By Pilgrim On January 16, 2014 @ 8:00 pm

Sorry but your brand of religion is a fairy tale and has no merit. Your objections are wasted words.

#108 Comment By Pilgrim On January 16, 2014 @ 8:20 pm

Sniffles

#109 Comment By thor On January 16, 2014 @ 9:52 pm

Two full weeks passed before DNC Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz could even be bothered to call for Mayor Filner’s resignation. Not until seven women came forward alleging verbal or physical harassment did she come
to the defense of women in San Diego. What took so long? Did she not think six harassed women was a concern? Sorry,Tbone,but all hands point to the real war on women coming from Democrats. Republicans took the man you mentioned to task immediately. Look it up. So, yes, you are affirming the Democrat war on women.

#110 Comment By Tbone On January 17, 2014 @ 5:52 am

If, by took to task, you mean he served in the VA state house for six years, the state senate for the past three, and is a frontrunner for an open house seat, you’re correct.

You might just want to shut this whole thing down, Thor, like a womans body after rape. This discussion certainly isn’t gods gift.

#111 Comment By toohip On January 17, 2014 @ 10:59 am

I don’t find this campaign offensive, I find this typical advertising as usual. When I have to measure every advertising whether it morally or personally offends me, I feel that I’ve lost touch with reality. I could mention whether you ignorant or being dishonest, that you blame Obama personally for this ad, which is really a Colorado ACA ad, . . . but then I would be making is personal like you.

I actually found it appropriate for this age group, who as we all can agree, do not “value” health insurance, that you and I have to pay for their emergency room care. “We” might find it offensive because we’re not of that age group. There are a lot of ads and things young adults enjoy that I don’t “get” or even find offensive, but I don’t write letters to the editor about it, simply because I have an anti-Obama agenda. THIS is really what this is about, not the ad, but the black guy in the white house that started this program which will be successful, and WILL lead to universal health care. . some day soon.

#112 Comment By toohip On January 17, 2014 @ 11:06 am

NOW. . YOU are sounding like thor. . “don’t read my posts.” It’s kind of hard not to read someone’s posts when they “reply” to yours, and make them a personal attack that I was being mean spirited or unfair. I realize your dressing down of thor is something to like to reserve for yourself, but this was not a personal attack on thor, . . we’re both guilty of that. . it was what I described it as. Obviously it’s YOU who feel your feeling hurt when I have to counter your attack on me. Why? It’s not about being on a side, it’s about being for against an agenda, which I always thought we were close on? I never attacked thor’s beliefs. . including something as simple as being against drinking but using the bible as an excuse and final authority. . . well, yes, I find that just a little over the top. I realize you’re a Christian and defend Christians when attacked for their faith, but I’m not going to excuse your idealism as a means to attack me for calling Thor out on a very extremist statement for a “free-thinker” like himself that he took some interpretation in the bible as a “sign” that he should not drink the evil alcohol.
And please don’t lecture me, peter, you’re far from perfect, as am I. But it’s obvious when cornered you come out attacking everyone, and why the only person giving you a thumbs up on your attack on me is. . . . thor! have a really great day, peter!

#113 Comment By thor On January 17, 2014 @ 12:16 pm

But your response is god’s gift to conservatives. It exposes how cavalier liberals are about women’s issues. Stay true,though,because its all you’ve got. That and Bill Maher, who you seem to admire,judging from some of your replies.