I'm still not sure what all the hubub is about this... she's not calling for violence, she's calling for the use of dialectic to fight (truth), not for people to pick up arms. In my estimation it's the radical Left that is not only promoting but committing most of the violence out there right now. Even classical Liberal new media reporters and pundits are fully admitting that now, like Tim Pool (who goes to a ton of rallies, protests and such to cover them live... https://www.youtube.com/user/Timcasts) and Dave Rubin who talks to people from all over the spectrum. People really need to get their news from more than just Slate and HuffPo...

Actually, I get my news from almost every source besides Fox News. I do watch it sometimes to see how the other side see things because that is the best way to combat bat-shit crazy.

I just posted the NRA Ad. There is now a counter Ad by Black Lives Matter Movement. Which counters this one.

Many within my own family see this NRA ad as a call to arms. You may not see it as such, but many without the ability to see it for what it is, just an ad. There are now many militias at least around where I live, who are using the NRA ad as a way to separate them vs everyone else. It boils down to white vs anyone who opposes whites.

It does not help when the President of the United States gives a speech in Poland about just how great the West is. How the West is the best thing since sliced bread. While places like China have their own issues, one can not discount the history of over a billion people just because they are not European. Without many of the innovations that come from areas that are not in the West, then the West would not be where it is at. It is an isolationist view that will only, in the end, harm the United States.

This ad only plays into that. It can be used and twisted to fit some worldview that works for whomever. On both sides of the political spectrum.

yeah i was going to say...i doubt the average half-illiterate doofbag sitting in his shack surrounded by rifles, already thinking with the Us vs Them mentality is really gonna read behind the lines when seeing an ad like this. come on. we all know what this is really trying to do. it's not fooling anyone.

not to mention, i thought the Left was a bunch of "snowflakes". now they're a bunch of violent rabble-rousers? i r cornfused.

oh yeah, and this person also does not even touch Slate...nor Huff. i can't even stand to visit their site....hate their auto-play vids so much i don't dare click a link!

Actually I'd put most of the MSM in the same boat with the rest of them. I can't even stomach most of it. On and on with the endless false narratives that have been debunked a hundred ways to Sunday, it's excruciating to try and slog through and get anything close to real news. We get it, you hate Drumpf. He could cure cancer and you'd bitch and say he was stealing jobs from doctors... Russia is everywhere, etc. Watch some of Tim Pools videos. He goes out to many rallies all over the country and the world and just reports what he sees. He leans just left of center politically and is very fair in his coverage. I think by watching the videos anyone will come to the same conclusion that he and many others have... the violence that ends up happening in rallies and such are almost always instigated by the Leftist groups, like Antifa, BLM and other Postmodernist groups that have taken over from the classic Liberals... as Tim has said many times when covering these events; He talks to the Left they label him with derogative terms, get confrontational, refuse to talk, and get violent. He talks to the Right, he gets good conversations, people are friendly and open, etc... It's all right there for anyone to see, which is why I like watching his coverage and other people in his new media circle. He doesn't try to spin things to fit a narrative.

Just because some few dumbasses might misconstrue the meaning of something such as this and other NRA ads doesn't mean that was the NRA's intent. Although I have to say, unless you've been living under a rock politically, things aren't exactly going very well. For the same reasons people voted for Drumpf, they are sick of the "alt-Left" and their Postmodernist ways, even if they don't specifically know that is what they are against... It's anti-American, even if you're a Liberal, because we all believe in this great experiment and we all love our freedoms even if we disagree on some specifics.

way i see it, both sides have a fair share of angry violent asses. but only one has a longer, richer history of such violence and sorry, but it's ye ol' Right.

also, how do i know this guy is not editing his work a certain way to show a certain result? how do i know he is only showing angry Lefists and friendly Righties? how do i know the angry Leftists aren't even fake plants / actual Righties pretending to be something they're not just to make the other side look bad?

i don't trust every little indy media joint out there just because they're *not* corporate msm, either.

NaranjaRa wrote:way i see it, both sides have a fair share of angry violent asses. but only one has a longer, richer history of such violence and sorry, but it's ye ol' Right.

also, how do i know this guy is not editing his work a certain way to show a certain result? how do i know he is only showing angry Lefists and friendly Righties? how do i know the angry Leftists aren't even fake plants / actual Righties pretending to be something they're not just to make the other side look bad?

i don't trust every little indy media joint out there just because they're *not* corporate msm, either.

If you're not watching it happen, doing the groundwork and actually seeing it then you aren't seeing anything... which is why I watch guys like Tim Pool and several others to see what is really going on on the ground.

Tim live streams nearly every rally he goes to, and posts the raw video on his Youtube channel. It can be cross checked and thousands of people from both political extremes watch his videos. If there were shenanigans happening, he would have been called out on it by now. I've watched several of them myself, live as they happened and I can attest to their validity. He is politically opposite of me on many key issues, so believe me when I say that if he was being untruthful I wouldn't watch or trust him.

By aligning themselves openly with violent groups like Antifa (now beginning to be classified as a terrorist organization in the US), BLM and people like Linda Sarsour, the Left has lost any claim to the moral high ground they may have had... a long time ago. No one has to admit it, it's simply true.

i've yet to watch the above vids, but if Pool streams live feeds that does add to credibility, yes. my overall point however still stands that just because someone is "independent", they still have an agenda. i'm already familiar with Tim Pool and do think he's one of the better folks out there on the ground reporting. there is still a lot of bullshit going on though with people posing as the opposing side with the intent of causing trouble to deliberately cast certain groups in bad light. i've already said that i have issue with antifa, though, just like i have an issue with ads like the one the NRA put out in the OP.

more to come once i see these response ads. but i can already tell you i (and likely many others here) will never take anything Tucker Carlson says with an iota of weight, so i'm not sure why you'd even bother posting his commentary here. don't troll us Feyd.

the people who are angry and protesting, are doing so because they believe they are facing a tyrannical government. therefore the Left's dissent is not any different than that which the Right engaged in during the 8 years of the Obama administration...when people were losing their minds and even formed an entire new "party" in order to work against him and "take their country back".

in fact, in light of recent events, how about we put all of this right-wing / NRA hyperbole into perspective and to an end altogether, and address it with some actual data:

In 2015 The ADL (Anti-Defamation League) did a study [Full PDF Link Here] which found that right-wing white supremacists exceeded any other group of domestic terrorists there is. They accounted for 38% of all extremist killings, followed by Islamist, anti-government, and anti-abortion extremists (the last which are also of course, right-wing by nature).

Left-wing extremists registered at around 1% of all killings.

"Black extremism"...such as how BLM is so falsely being painted by the right....DIDN'T EVEN REGISTER.

So what you're saying then is the "Right" is made up of all "white supremacists" then? I see... this is why Drumpf is President. This is why no one talks things out and comes to compromise anymore. If I disagree, I'm [insert derogatory evil name here] so my voice doesn't matter because I'm evil. I'm evil so people have the right to hurt me, kill me, silence my voice. It's what they want. Hell it's what most people in power want, civil war, racial divide. 295 killings in 2015 committed by "extremists" in the US? How about over 700 people were killed in Chicago gang violence alone in 2016, nearly all black on black. FBI statistics are only 100% compiled up to 2012 right now, but in 2012 in the US, white males were 38 percent of the population and committed 4,582 murders. That same year, black males were just 6.6 percent of the population but committed 5,531 murders. What's the point? I can pull statistics out and make any point I want... people don't want to see, they don't want to admit fault with whatever ideal they hold even when faced with facts.

Antifa, the strong arm of the violent "Left", the "other side" that the President spoke about after Charlottesville have done nothing but commit acts of political violence for the last 18 months or more, against innocent people. It's only very recently that anyone has stood up to them. The fact that they (as far as we know) have not killed anyone yet (not for lack of trying) is a miracle we should be thankful for. These assholes unironically use fascist tactics to "fight fascism", and embrace Marxist ideologies. Why do you think they fly Communist USSR flags? That should trigger people even more than the Nazi flag. I mean, hasn't the media been going on and on about how bad Russia is for the last 8 months?! Just for a little history of violence; Nazism is responsible for around 20-25 million, non-military deaths during their regime. Collectively, Marxism has killed somewhere between 150 and 180 million people. I am not defending either of these ideologies. They are both inhuman and anti-American to their cores. It is crystal clear that both are deadly. However Marxism, that lovely Socialism/Communism that many seem to embrace today, is a cancer on humanity and is the single most deadly ideology in human history. So forgive me if I, as a person who believes in liberty, freedom, and what the USA used to stand for will not stand for this shit, and will fight against it with every fiber of my being. I don't even like Drumpf at all, but I love what he's done to the status quo in this country. All of the evil on all sides are being laid bare, for everyone to see. Whatever happens next, I'm not going to back down from it anymore. I've tried to keep politics out of things, but the more people push, the more I want to push back...

Feydakin wrote:I can pull statistics out and make any point I want... people don't want to see, they don't want to admit fault with whatever ideal they hold even when faced with facts.

but aren't you sorta just pot-kettle-blacking there a bit?

because no, not *any* statistics can be thrown out to prove *any* point. they can however be cherry-picked and then twisted. you have to know how to read and discern between the truth and fiction...even down to how the information is collected and handled in the first place just like any proper scientific study. look at the source material. look at who it's coming from and what their agenda might be. facts are facts, pure and simple, and they do not change depending someone's political views.

where did i say "all of the right are white supremacists"? who are you talking to?? sure as hell the right is full of them, yes...they rallied for Drumpf more than any other president in recent history. the current administration has a bunch, yup. Drumpf's dad Fred, possibly himself in the KKK. but i'm plenty aware that there are still sensible conservatives in power. they're just being spineless pieces of shit right now for not speaking up, as they choose to put their party & their seats in Congress first over American, and HUMAN values.

and the whole "Chicago" talking point the right loves to throw out along with black on black crime....um why do you think that exists in the first place? could it be the forced poverty & inequality due to the decades upon decades of systematic racism that has been going on since their ancestors were first brought here against their will? i don't have the time nor patience to go into the history of how racism has become ingrained into almost every facet of housing, criminal justice, prison, education, medicine...everything...but you surely are aware of this fact. not to mention how the "movement" has infiltrated our very law enforcement. imagine if a group of black or Muslim folks decided to march en-mass into a city, armed to the teeth and shouting about how those were "their streets". seriously...cops would have been in riot gear dropping tear gas faster than the first marcher's boot hit gravel. so trying to prove a point equating the violence to that of white supremacist extremism while ignoring the very root of the problem - systematic racism due to white supremacy - basically makes that argument a tad ridiculous.

i don't agree with all of antifa's tactics. many are either angry Bernie-bro's or spoiled Berkley kids who will grow out of it once they leave college and have to get real jobs. but painting them all as "Communists" is a tad hyperbolic, and attempting to equate them with Nazis is just laughable. some are out there trying to do the right thing and are not violent, just as not "all" protesters on the right are violent. but i'm concerned, along with what sounds like most of the country right now besides the people in Washington and Drumpf's 34% hardcore supporters, with the normalization of the level of hate that the white supremacy movement has now achieved with his presidency, his lack of denouncement, and now his party's story about how both sides are equally to blame. only one side killed 3 people the other weekend. only one side wants to eradicate anyone who is not white and of European descent. and that's so sickening i cannot even properly express myself.

the right also keeps trying to paint BLM as some kind of "radical hate group" while they actually still remain a movement against ALL of this violence. truth is not a single story of violence at a BLM protest has been actually factually linked to a true member of their group. there's just a lot of unverified hearsay and exaggerated fiction floating around by people with agendas. and the stories of violence people love to spread are just anecdotes...told second-hand and repeated down the line, with information ignored on purpose to leave out certain facts in order to suit their own skewed narrative. aside from some of the more fantastical tales out there, i heard someone say, "well if they're against violence why aren't they protesting in the streets of Chicago every day?" BLM doesn't need to address *every single* act of violence because that is a distraction in itself and takes away from an overall cohesive message they're trying to present.

i also consistently only hear one side talking about a civil war. yeah, because *that* would really be great for the country just as much as the last one was! the majority of America is NOT EXTREMIST. the country may be split politically at the moment, but most folks are pretty moderate in their views according to (gasp) statistics. extremism is not taking over. it is killing people, though. and THAT is still a problem, dammit.

the antifa might get in fist-fights, burn cars and toss trash cans through windows, they may even have some questionable political views, but at least for the most part they're a lot of stupid young people on the side of pure decency, and not parading with machine guns about literal fucking genocide.

i know we differ greatly on that last point, so i don't really believe i can say much more on this subject.

BUT about people in power wanting us divided...THAT i am all with you on. that is because they all, in reality, serve the same masters...Right or Left, Red or Blue. it's why i don't pick a side and stay Independent. because in reality it's all just one huge game to them, and i refuse to play. it's designed to keep us distracted and at each other's throats instead of at THEIRS. because the money - the bankers at the top behind the politics - is the true power. corporate control is the true slave master and they have stakes in both parties. throughout history they've always fund both sides of every war so no matter what, they win. we're not really divided if we all just stop and see this simple truth.

as i was pressing send on that message, my husband came in from next door. last year, we had a Muslim family move in from Washington DC...really sweet couple with a young son. they invited us for a Moroccan dinner one night. the wife is a actually Republican who worked for the Bush administration. they bought this big old Victorian house and have spent the last year working on it almost every day. then about 2 weeks ago, we noticed a "For Sale" sign. my husband and i had a bad feeling it might have something to do with racism since Drumpf became president, as although we live in a "blue state", our small-ish town is pretty ass-backwards in its views. i won't even go into what happened when we got our first gay mayor awhile back.

yeah so, it was worse than i thought. the wife at first tried to join a local group for moms to meet new friends, but when she sent in her photo got no response as she watched them take in new members one after another. she has been stalked, repeatedly, as she goes out on normal errands. CONSTANT abuse whenever she's in Walmart. she had 2 skinheads come up to her downtown, get right in her face and take her picture with their phone and yell at her to "go home". she's afraid now to go anywhere by herself. they've all been harassed more times than they can count. and their little boy, who can't even be 6 years old, had his life threatened.

so now this really great family who poured their blood & sweat into this amazing home for the past year has to literally pick up and leave town because they're afraid for their lives.

antfi are not going up and harassing non-white people outside of protests or threatening the lives little children now, are they?but somehow they're just as "evil"....????

yeah, there's actually PLENTY more i'm going to fucking say on this subject. because now my neighbors have had someone come to their house the past few days and furiously bang on their front door in the middle of the night and then run away. funny too that we have someone just down the street flying the "rebel flag" in their yard...

this is ridiculous. more has come out about what happened in VA. someone else just tried to hit people with a car at a LGBT candlelight vigil on Thursday in St. Louis. i did my best to try to be nice about it, but i really can just no longer accept this false-equivalency bullshit. because we're talking about NAZIS.

but just let me get this straight again: because Stalin killed more people than Hitler, and because some people marching with Antifa fly Communist flags, Antifa is therefore a bunch of commies and a greater evil - or at least just as evil - as the White Supremacy Movement? FUCKING. COME. ON.

Antifa is not actively preaching their mission to eradicate entire populations of people. Antifa does not want to eliminate anyone who is not white. their goal is not genocide. or "Making America White Again"...

forget the simle fact not everyone protesting the white supremacy movement is NOT with Antifa! i'm not with them but if those Nazi pieces of shit came to my town and i could physically march against them you bet i would. does that mean i deserve to get run over or shot to death?!??

so, i am not apologizing for this, but if you fail to recognize that Nazis are the more vile threat here, you have a goddamn problem. it saddens me to no end that we have to even have this discussion in the first place. it's really not that complicated.

it really should NOT be a Right vs Left issue.

this is a RIGHT VS WRONG ISSUE.

and now i DO remember something. i DID say on my Facebook that the "ait-Right" now IS the Right. and you know why i said such a thing? quite simply, because of Drumpf. because every fucking thing he says, his lemmings and Fox news repeats without question. because he did not disavow what the White Nationalists did. he did not distance himself one bit from their immense cheers and support from the VERY START. he CAMPAIGNED by teasing threats of violence towards the opposition overall. he literally asked for it, and thus it came. and when he said what he said about Charlotesville, his entire party rallied right behind him and bought it without thought. "All Sides" they chant. so fuck the Right. there IS not "Alt-Right" in my eyes. when you have White-Nationalists in the White House, for the most part it is what the fucking Right has become at this point.

you want to know why communication is breaking down? why people can't seem to have rational discussions any longer?! ALL of this is why! because there is NO reasoning with people any longer! we already know that FACTS don't matter any more. but i've also come to realize at the heart of it, it's become all about everyone's own selfish little world of "mine" - "me" - "i'm a victim" - "i want MY....*insert selfish priority here*...." blah blah blah...

no one gives a SHIT anymore about anything that might help out their fellow Americans. no one gives a SHIT about "America" - what it truly is supposed to be about - no matter what they say. if they did, they wouldn't be drinking this bullshit kool-aid, they DEFINITELY wouldn't have voted for a buffoon like Drumpf, nor would they be clinging to this foolish conspiracy crap that has nothing to do with what is true and right and decent and loving towards each other.

like saying Nazis who are out there killing people ISIS-style, and the people who protest against them, are one and the same. fuck that.