_________________Form is temporary; Class is Permanent! Liverpool, European Champions 2005.

We watched this very boring video, 500 times, of Sacchi doing defensive drills, using sticks and without the ball, with Maldini, Baresi and Albertini. We used to think before then that if the other players are better, you have to lose. After that we learned anything is possible – you can beat better teams by using tactics." Jurgen Klopp

like i already stated already; these are jobless people. if they had a career football follower ship would be secondary like you see in western nations and Africa. these are no virtues to emulate as Mugus like CIC would like you to believe. there is absolutely nothing in Argentina any Nigerian should be jealous of. it is wretched country.

"It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is. If the--if he--if 'is' means is and never has been, that is not--that is one thing. If it means there is none, that was a completely true statement....Now, if someone had asked me on that day, are you having any kind of sexual relations with Ms. Lewinsky, that is, asked me a question in the present tense, I would have said no. And it would have been completely true."

like i already stated already; these are jobless people. if they had a career football follower ship would be secondary like you see in western nations and Africa. these are no virtues to emulate as Mugus like CIC would like you to believe. there is absolutely nothing in Argentina any Nigerian should be jealous of. it is wretched country.

IMHO, I thought the attempt to play the next day was overly optimistic considering the circumstances. It is best to put this stuff off until they have fully discussed the way forward and that was unlikely to happen in 24 hours.

_________________The difficulties of statistical thinking describes a puzzling limitation of our mind: our excessive confidence in what we believe we know, and our apparent inability to acknowledge the full extent of our ignorance and the uncertainty of the world we live in. We are prone to overestimate how much we understand about the world and to underestimate the role of chance in events -- Daniel Kahneman (2011), Winner of the Nobel Prize in Economics Winner of the Nobel Prize in Economics

A few years ago, Boca was kicked out of the round of 16 for similar incidents, so the right thing to do is to cancel the game and award Boca a 0-2 win.But everyone wants to make money.This whole incident is free advertising.

_________________"The young Walt Disney was sacked because he lacked imagination. They advised Marilyn Monroe to become a secretary and Elvis to go back to driving a lorry."

like i already stated already; these are jobless people. if they had a career football follower ship would be secondary like you see in western nations and Africa. these are no virtues to emulate as Mugus like CIC would like you to believe. there is absolutely nothing in Argentina any Nigerian should be jealous of. it is wretched country.

Aren't you the guy always posting amateur academic psychology on Rant and Rave? You have not figured this one out? Have you read Bill Buford's Among the Thugs? When English football thugs terrorized Europe, you think it was jobless people who invaded countries on the continent? Many had high-paying jobs and a few were career people.

It's a modern tribal thing my friend, something young men do when they can get away with it, and sometimes when they can't get away with it. Some people think tribal war is in human blood, particularly in the blood of young men. In tribal days, the score was calculated in human heads. Today they smash things and throw rocks instead of spears.

Argentinians take football very seriously. Their club football can be total madness, and the maddest of all is the Boca v River Plate derby. Some people suggest that you cannot call yourself a real world football fan until you have gone to see the spectacle known as the Superclassico, the greatest derby in the world, and the globe's Eighth Wonder. The stadia literally quake throughout the game with fans jumping up and down non-stop.

Don't yab what you don't understand. Africans ke? We have nothing on these folks.

like i already stated already; these are jobless people. if they had a career football follower ship would be secondary like you see in western nations and Africa. these are no virtues to emulate as Mugus like CIC would like you to believe. there is absolutely nothing in Argentina any Nigerian should be jealous of. it is wretched country.

Aren't you the guy always posting amateur academic psychology on Rant and Rave? You have not figured this one out? Have you read Bill Buford's Among the Thugs? When English football thugs terrorized Europe, you think it was jobless people who invaded countries on the continent? Many had high-paying jobs and a few were career people.

It's a modern tribal thing my friend, something young men do when they can get away with it, and sometimes when they can't get away with it. Some people think tribal war is in human blood, particularly in the blood of young men. In tribal days, the score was calculated in human heads. Today they smash things and throw rocks instead of spears.

Argentinians take football very seriously. Their club football can be total madness, and the maddest of all is the Boca v River Plate derby. Some people suggest that you cannot call yourself a real world football fan until you have gone to see the spectacle known as the Superclassico, the greatest derby in the world, and the globe's Eighth Wonder. The stadia literally quake throughout the game with fans jumping up and down non-stop.

Don't yab what you don't understand. Africans ke? We have nothing on these folks.

I hate to see these extremes ,but advertisers loves these -ish too. As they say " Saturday won't be saturday If not for sport"Its extra spice. Its all in the name of creating a bubble ard a money spinning venture. Its like watching showBiz in America; there's got to be controversy.

River Plate hooligans described as the "mafia of Argentine soccer" were behind the attack on Boca Juniors' bus before the Copa Libertadores final second leg, says the mayor of Buenos Aires.

Saturday's game was delayed by 24 hours then postponed, with its rescheduling set to be discussed on Tuesday.

Several Boca players were injured when the windows on the bus were broken on the way to River's Estadio Monumental.

Buenos Aires mayor Horacio Rodriguez Larreta said it was a revenge attack.

He said the incident occurred a day after police raided the house of a leader of the Barra Brava - the powerful and violent wing of River's hardcore support.

They confiscated 10 millions pesos (£207,285) and 300 tickets for the final.

"The problem is the Barra Brava - a mafia who have been embedded in football for more than 50 years," he added.

"They are responsible for these incidents. This is directly related to the episode the day before. So 300 people were not allowed in and they were the principle protagonists of everything that happened."

36 hours that shamed Argentine football

South American football expert Tim Vickery says the Barra Brava makes their money through nefarious activities, including selling tickets on the black market.

"The hooligans in Argentina, it's not just passion, it's a business. Tickets were exchanging hands at extraordinary prices," he told BBC Radio 4.

"So one interpretation of the violence here from the River Plate supporters is that this was a revenge attack from an organised group of thugs, against the police for not allowing them to profit from this match."

Boca players suffered cuts from the glass and were also affected by the tear gas used by police to disperse the crowds.

Club officials asked South American football's governing body Conmebol to take action and allow those affected by Saturday's incidents to recover further.

Larreta called on both clubs to collaborate with the investigation into what happened and said he would do "whatever it takes to get to the bottom of this problem".

"We need to find out who gave them the tickets and overcome the mafia of the Barra," he added. "This is our biggest challenge and we are going forward on that basis."

Conmebol says it will meet with with the presidents of Boca Juniors and River Plate on Tuesday at 13:00 GMT to make a decision on when the match will be replayed.

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_________________"The young Walt Disney was sacked because he lacked imagination. They advised Marilyn Monroe to become a secretary and Elvis to go back to driving a lorry."

like i already stated already; these are jobless people. if they had a career football follower ship would be secondary like you see in western nations and Africa. these are no virtues to emulate as Mugus like CIC would like you to believe. there is absolutely nothing in Argentina any Nigerian should be jealous of. it is wretched country.

Aren't you the guy always posting amateur academic psychology on Rant and Rave? You have not figured this one out? Have you read Bill Buford's Among the Thugs? When English football thugs terrorized Europe, you think it was jobless people who invaded countries on the continent? Many had high-paying jobs and a few were career people.

It's a modern tribal thing my friend, something young men do when they can get away with it, and sometimes when they can't get away with it. Some people think tribal war is in human blood, particularly in the blood of young men. In tribal days, the score was calculated in human heads. Today they smash things and throw rocks instead of spears.

Argentinians take football very seriously. Their club football can be total madness, and the maddest of all is the Boca v River Plate derby. Some people suggest that you cannot call yourself a real world football fan until you have gone to see the spectacle known as the Superclassico, the greatest derby in the world, and the globe's Eighth Wonder. The stadia literally quake throughout the game with fans jumping up and down non-stop.

Don't yab what you don't understand. Africans ke? We have nothing on these folks.

I just now stumbled on your 'narrative' and that's being generous if you wanna keep this civil. Perhaps you need to visit the US at some point in your life and go and see American football - the ultimate violent sports and how the players and fans have adapted. That your so called remnant tribal war tendencies embedded in human traits are now expressed in less violent ways in highly civilized industrialized nations. Environment is the greatest transformer of most of our violent innate pathways. And our innate tendencies don't change much in places where the environment haven't changed much. But I'm at work at the moment so check this page for evidence based non violent debunk of your narrative.

Im back as i promised I would; first let me at a very basic level deconstruct your misinformed premise on basic Psych 101. the first things you learn in psych is that at cellular level certain genes that control certain traits become recessive and the traits less expressed the more the need for it become defunct. And the ultimate determinant of expression or non expression of a given trait is the environment. the more the environment changes in favor of a previously difficult task the less the need for a given related gene to toughen it up and hence the more recessive it becomes. let me systematically give you a simple example of this at play. The isolated islanders in the news recently somewhere in the pacific ocean that killed that white dude are just like me and you anatomically yet they still operate on fear factors because their environment hasn't changed much. as opposed to yourself where tempered emotions have been intergenerationally transmitted onto you hence rendering your once dominant violent related gene recessive and un-needed. honestly this is a waste of my time my friend i got better things to do.

"It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is. If the--if he--if 'is' means is and never has been, that is not--that is one thing. If it means there is none, that was a completely true statement....Now, if someone had asked me on that day, are you having any kind of sexual relations with Ms. Lewinsky, that is, asked me a question in the present tense, I would have said no. And it would have been completely true."

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like i already stated already; these are jobless people. if they had a career football follower ship would be secondary like you see in western nations and Africa. these are no virtues to emulate as Mugus like CIC would like you to believe. there is absolutely nothing in Argentina any Nigerian should be jealous of. it is wretched country.

Aren't you the guy always posting amateur academic psychology on Rant and Rave? You have not figured this one out? Have you read Bill Buford's Among the Thugs? When English football thugs terrorized Europe, you think it was jobless people who invaded countries on the continent? Many had high-paying jobs and a few were career people.

It's a modern tribal thing my friend, something young men do when they can get away with it, and sometimes when they can't get away with it. Some people think tribal war is in human blood, particularly in the blood of young men. In tribal days, the score was calculated in human heads. Today they smash things and throw rocks instead of spears.

Argentinians take football very seriously. Their club football can be total madness, and the maddest of all is the Boca v River Plate derby. Some people suggest that you cannot call yourself a real world football fan until you have gone to see the spectacle known as the Superclassico, the greatest derby in the world, and the globe's Eighth Wonder. The stadia literally quake throughout the game with fans jumping up and down non-stop.

Don't yab what you don't understand. Africans ke? We have nothing on these folks.

I just now stumbled on your 'narrative' and that's being generous if you wanna keep this civil. Perhaps you need to visit the US at some point in your life and go and see American football - the ultimate violent sports and how the players and fans have adapted. That your so called remnant tribal war tendencies embedded in human traits are now expressed in less violent ways in highly civilized industrialized nations. Environment is the greatest transformer of most of our violent innate pathways. And our innate tendencies don't change much in places where the environment haven't changed much. But I'm at work at the moment so check this page for evidence based non violent debunk of your narrative.

Im back as i promised I would; first let me at a very basic level deconstruct your misinformed premise on basic Psych 101. the first things you learn in psych is that at cellular level certain genes that control certain traits become recessive and the traits less expressed the more the need for it become defunct. And the ultimate determinant of expression or non expression of a given trait is the environment. the more the environment changes in favor of a previously difficult task the less the need for a given related gene to toughen it up and hence the more recessive it becomes. let me systematically give you a simple example of this at play. The isolated islanders in the news recently somewhere in the pacific ocean that killed that white dude are just like me and you anatomically yet they still operate on fear factors because their environment hasn't changed much. as opposed to yourself where tempered emotions have been intergenerationally transmitted onto you hence rendering your once dominant violent related gene recessive and un-needed. honestly this is a waste of my time my friend i got better things to do.

like i already stated already; these are jobless people. if they had a career football follower ship would be secondary like you see in western nations and Africa. these are no virtues to emulate as Mugus like CIC would like you to believe. there is absolutely nothing in Argentina any Nigerian should be jealous of. it is wretched country.

Aren't you the guy always posting amateur academic psychology on Rant and Rave? You have not figured this one out? Have you read Bill Buford's Among the Thugs? When English football thugs terrorized Europe, you think it was jobless people who invaded countries on the continent? Many had high-paying jobs and a few were career people.

It's a modern tribal thing my friend, something young men do when they can get away with it, and sometimes when they can't get away with it. Some people think tribal war is in human blood, particularly in the blood of young men. In tribal days, the score was calculated in human heads. Today they smash things and throw rocks instead of spears.

Argentinians take football very seriously. Their club football can be total madness, and the maddest of all is the Boca v River Plate derby. Some people suggest that you cannot call yourself a real world football fan until you have gone to see the spectacle known as the Superclassico, the greatest derby in the world, and the globe's Eighth Wonder. The stadia literally quake throughout the game with fans jumping up and down non-stop.

Don't yab what you don't understand. Africans ke? We have nothing on these folks.

I just now stumbled on your 'narrative' and that's being generous if you wanna keep this civil. Perhaps you need to visit the US at some point in your life and go and see American football - the ultimate violent sports and how the players and fans have adapted. That your so called remnant tribal war tendencies embedded in human traits are now expressed in less violent ways in highly civilized industrialized nations. Environment is the greatest transformer of most of our violent innate pathways. And our innate tendencies don't change much in places where the environment haven't changed much. But I'm at work at the moment so check this page for evidence based non violent debunk of your narrative.

Im back as i promised I would; first let me at a very basic level deconstruct your misinformed premise on basic Psych 101. the first things you learn in psych is that at cellular level certain genes that control certain traits become recessive and the traits less expressed the more the need for it become defunct. And the ultimate determinant of expression or non expression of a given trait is the environment. the more the environment changes in favor of a previously difficult task the less the need for a given related gene to toughen it up and hence the more recessive it becomes. let me systematically give you a simple example of this at play. The isolated islanders in the news recently somewhere in the pacific ocean that killed that white dude are just like me and you anatomically yet they still operate on fear factors because their environment hasn't changed much. as opposed to yourself where tempered emotions have been intergenerationally transmitted onto you hence rendering your once dominant violent related gene recessive and un-needed. honestly this is a waste of my time my friend i got better things to do.

Ahem uncle easy abeg.

_________________We have been brainwashed by the Premier League that it's the best in the world. Nonsense. It's the best brandRoy Keane: ITV 02/25/14

He says that we are currently "brainwashed" into believing that the Premier League is the best competition in the world, and that we are now a long way off dominating the Champions League again.Gary Neville: Mirror: 12/23/14

like i already stated already; these are jobless people. if they had a career football follower ship would be secondary like you see in western nations and Africa. these are no virtues to emulate as Mugus like CIC would like you to believe. there is absolutely nothing in Argentina any Nigerian should be jealous of. it is wretched country.

Aren't you the guy always posting amateur academic psychology on Rant and Rave? You have not figured this one out? Have you read Bill Buford's Among the Thugs? When English football thugs terrorized Europe, you think it was jobless people who invaded countries on the continent? Many had high-paying jobs and a few were career people.

It's a modern tribal thing my friend, something young men do when they can get away with it, and sometimes when they can't get away with it. Some people think tribal war is in human blood, particularly in the blood of young men. In tribal days, the score was calculated in human heads. Today they smash things and throw rocks instead of spears.

Argentinians take football very seriously. Their club football can be total madness, and the maddest of all is the Boca v River Plate derby. Some people suggest that you cannot call yourself a real world football fan until you have gone to see the spectacle known as the Superclassico, the greatest derby in the world, and the globe's Eighth Wonder. The stadia literally quake throughout the game with fans jumping up and down non-stop.

Don't yab what you don't understand. Africans ke? We have nothing on these folks.

I just now stumbled on your 'narrative' and that's being generous if you wanna keep this civil. Perhaps you need to visit the US at some point in your life and go and see American football - the ultimate violent sports and how the players and fans have adapted. That your so called remnant tribal war tendencies embedded in human traits are now expressed in less violent ways in highly civilized industrialized nations. Environment is the greatest transformer of most of our violent innate pathways. And our innate tendencies don't change much in places where the environment haven't changed much. But I'm at work at the moment so check this page for evidence based non violent debunk of your narrative.

Im back as i promised I would; first let me at a very basic level deconstruct your misinformed premise on basic Psych 101. the first things you learn in psych is that at cellular level certain genes that control certain traits become recessive and the traits less expressed the more the need for it become defunct. And the ultimate determinant of expression or non expression of a given trait is the environment. the more the environment changes in favor of a previously difficult task the less the need for a given related gene to toughen it up and hence the more recessive it becomes. let me systematically give you a simple example of this at play. The isolated islanders in the news recently somewhere in the pacific ocean that killed that white dude are just like me and you anatomically yet they still operate on fear factors because their environment hasn't changed much. as opposed to yourself where tempered emotions have been intergenerationally transmitted onto you hence rendering your once dominant violent related gene recessive and un-needed. honestly this is a waste of my time my friend i got better things to do.

Ahem uncle easy abeg.

Abeg for the last video... Na which kain blow dey make trouser fall down from person yansh

_________________"There is big pressure at this club as you cannot be like the manager at Arsenal and ask for five years to try and to win one trophy" - Jose Mourinho

.... I believe in God. I try to be a good man so He can have a bit of time to give me a hand when I need it - Jose Mourinho