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Okay, I might need to buy this. I'm a sucker for memes that mess with maps.

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She's touring the facility/and picking up slack.--"For in much wisdom is much grief, and he who increases knowledge increases sorrow." Ecclesiastes 1:18--I once believed in causes too, I had my pointless point of view --Life went on no matter who was wrong or right

Christ is ascended!Interesting. I'll have to leave it at that, lest it be misconstrued as political.

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Why is Belarus WTF? Belarus is the most pro-Vatican of the Orthodox states. In a couple of years we might even have a concordat with the Republic of Belarus.I don't understand the connexion between "Teutonia" and Lithuania (?)

Why is Belarus WTF? Belarus is the most pro-Vatican of the Orthodox states. In a couple of years we might even have a concordat with the Republic of Belarus.I don't understand the connexion between "Teutonia" and Lithuania (?)

Lighten up, it's supposed to be satire, not scholarship.

BTW, since Belarus is the most totalitarian of the post-Soviet states and has seemingly done the least to dismantle the state apparatus that existed pre-1991, why would a concordat with Belarus be something to be proud of? Just asking....

Why is Belarus WTF? Belarus is the most pro-Vatican of the Orthodox states. In a couple of years we might even have a concordat with the Republic of Belarus.I don't understand the connexion between "Teutonia" and Lithuania (?)

Question a friend, perhaps he did not do it; but if he did anything so that he may do it no more.A hasty quarrel kindles fire,and urgent strife sheds blood.If you blow on a spark, it will glow;if you spit on it, it will be put out; and both come out of your mouth

BTW, since Belarus is the most totalitarian of the post-Soviet states and has seemingly done the least to dismantle the state apparatus that existed pre-1991, why would a concordat with Belarus be something to be proud of? Just asking....

I would debate that; The concordat would an affirmation of the Church's right to exist. Without a concordat, the State can disestablish the Catholic Church and all organised religion. This happened in France, and from 1905, no Church of any stripe has legal personhood in France. The only legal form of religious organisation in France is the cultural association but not the Catholic Church as a whole or a diocese. The concordat is essential for the Church's existence in Europe. I'd just like to add that Serbia also wants a concordat from what I have heard.

BTW, since Belarus is the most totalitarian of the post-Soviet states and has seemingly done the least to dismantle the state apparatus that existed pre-1991, why would a concordat with Belarus be something to be proud of? Just asking....

I would debate that; The concordat would an affirmation of the Church's right to exist. Without a concordat, the State can disestablish the Catholic Church and all organised religion. This happened in France, and from 1905, no Church of any stripe has legal personhood in France. The only legal form of religious organisation in France is the cultural association but not the Catholic Church as a whole or a diocese. The concordat is essential for the Church's existence in Europe. I'd just like to add that Serbia also wants a concordat from what I have heard.

I guess I misunderstood your point, but to my American ears, it would be like saying one of the former Confederate states over another was the less oppressive than others with 'Jim Crow' race laws following our Civil War and Reconstruction.

BTW, since Belarus is the most totalitarian of the post-Soviet states and has seemingly done the least to dismantle the state apparatus that existed pre-1991, why would a concordat with Belarus be something to be proud of? Just asking....

I would debate that; The concordat would an affirmation of the Church's right to exist. Without a concordat, the State can disestablish the Catholic Church and all organised religion. This happened in France, and from 1905, no Church of any stripe has legal personhood in France. The only legal form of religious organisation in France is the cultural association but not the Catholic Church as a whole or a diocese. The concordat is essential for the Church's existence in Europe. I'd just like to add that Serbia also wants a concordat from what I have heard.

I guess I misunderstood your point, but to my American ears, it would be like saying one of the former Confederate states over another was the less oppressive than others with 'Jim Crow' race laws following our Civil War and Reconstruction.

Yes, I take into fact that your American understanding is different. (I have no idea what you are writing in the myth of the schism marriage thread.There I will add a post on that topic)

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Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Who can watch the watchmen?"No one is paying attention to your post reports"Why do posters that claim to have me blocked keep sending me pms and responding to my posts? That makes no sense.

I know that according to the Orthodox diptychs of the Catholic Church, he is not, but he is a bishop of Rome, if we are going to use that title for all ecclesiastical communities. Like we call the Episcopalian bishop of Chicago "a bishop of Chicago." Just not a bishop of Chicago like the 3(?) Orthodox bishops of Chicago (we have more, but the others have their titular sees elsewhere).

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Question a friend, perhaps he did not do it; but if he did anything so that he may do it no more.A hasty quarrel kindles fire,and urgent strife sheds blood.If you blow on a spark, it will glow;if you spit on it, it will be put out; and both come out of your mouth

I know that according to the Orthodox diptychs of the Catholic Church, he is not, but he is a bishop of Rome, if we are going to use that title for all ecclesiastical communities. Like we call the Episcopalian bishop of Chicago "a bishop of Chicago." Just not a bishop of Chicago like the 3(?) Orthodox bishops of Chicago (we have more, but the others have their titular sees elsewhere).

According to your Ecumenical Patriarch, His All-Holiness Bartholomew, Benedict XVI is "His Beatitude, the Bishop of Rome." Not "layman of the Vatican", as you would prefer to call him. If you have a problem with that, take it up with His All-Holiness, not with me.

I know that according to the Orthodox diptychs of the Catholic Church, he is not, but he is a bishop of Rome, if we are going to use that title for all ecclesiastical communities. Like we call the Episcopalian bishop of Chicago "a bishop of Chicago." Just not a bishop of Chicago like the 3(?) Orthodox bishops of Chicago (we have more, but the others have their titular sees elsewhere).

According to your Ecumenical Patriarch, His All-Holiness Bartholomew, Benedict XVI is "His Beatitude, the Bishop of Rome." Not "layman of the Vatican", as you would prefer to call him. If you have a problem with that, take it up with His All-Holiness, not with me.

He's not infallible, so they can throw out anything he says whenever what he says is inconvenient.

I don't think so. My family is from Montefiascone, on the northern edge of Lazio, not Vatican Hill in Rome.

Then you are out of luck, as this is the only papal state since the Donation of Mussolini a/k/a the Lateran TreatyYou will notice that it is surrounded by Italy.

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Question a friend, perhaps he did not do it; but if he did anything so that he may do it no more.A hasty quarrel kindles fire,and urgent strife sheds blood.If you blow on a spark, it will glow;if you spit on it, it will be put out; and both come out of your mouth

I know that according to the Orthodox diptychs of the Catholic Church, he is not, but he is a bishop of Rome, if we are going to use that title for all ecclesiastical communities. Like we call the Episcopalian bishop of Chicago "a bishop of Chicago." Just not a bishop of Chicago like the 3(?) Orthodox bishops of Chicago (we have more, but the others have their titular sees elsewhere).

According to your Ecumenical Patriarch, His All-Holiness Bartholomew, Benedict XVI is "His Beatitude, the Bishop of Rome." Not "layman of the Vatican", as you would prefer to call him. If you have a problem with that, take it up with His All-Holiness, not with me.

If he calls him "the" or even "a" "bishop of Rome in his diptychs, history has shown that I will by far not be the only one taking it up with him.

And now, having signed the Chambesy accord, His All-Holiness recognizes HG+Siluan Spam as having his see at Rome.

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I know that according to the Orthodox diptychs of the Catholic Church, he is not, but he is a bishop of Rome, if we are going to use that title for all ecclesiastical communities. Like we call the Episcopalian bishop of Chicago "a bishop of Chicago." Just not a bishop of Chicago like the 3(?) Orthodox bishops of Chicago (we have more, but the others have their titular sees elsewhere).

According to your Ecumenical Patriarch, His All-Holiness Bartholomew, Benedict XVI is "His Beatitude, the Bishop of Rome." Not "layman of the Vatican", as you would prefer to call him. If you have a problem with that, take it up with His All-Holiness, not with me.

He's not infallible, so they can throw out anything he says whenever what he says is inconvenient.

If His All Holiness commemorates your supreme Pontiff, His All Holiness is who will be thrown out.

So, are you admiting that you believe everything your supreme pontiff says is infallible?

Btw, I do believe that HAH refers to Rowan Williams as Archbishop of Canterbury, but if Abp. Rowan was received into Orthodoxy, it would be as a layman.

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Question a friend, perhaps he did not do it; but if he did anything so that he may do it no more.A hasty quarrel kindles fire,and urgent strife sheds blood.If you blow on a spark, it will glow;if you spit on it, it will be put out; and both come out of your mouth

Why is Belarus WTF? Belarus is the most pro-Vatican of the Orthodox states. In a couple of years we might even have a concordat with the Republic of Belarus.I don't understand the connexion between "Teutonia" and Lithuania (?)

I know that according to the Orthodox diptychs of the Catholic Church, he is not, but he is a bishop of Rome, if we are going to use that title for all ecclesiastical communities. Like we call the Episcopalian bishop of Chicago "a bishop of Chicago." Just not a bishop of Chicago like the 3(?) Orthodox bishops of Chicago (we have more, but the others have their titular sees elsewhere).

According to your Ecumenical Patriarch, His All-Holiness Bartholomew, Benedict XVI is "His Beatitude, the Bishop of Rome." Not "layman of the Vatican", as you would prefer to call him. If you have a problem with that, take it up with His All-Holiness, not with me.

He's not infallible, so they can throw out anything he says whenever what he says is inconvenient.

Given that he is leader of only a small percentage of Orthodox Christians, what he says, though valuable, is not the final word.

An interesting comment you make though, your pope is supposedly infallible yet Catholics are always throwing out anything he says that is inconvenient.

I know that according to the Orthodox diptychs of the Catholic Church, he is not, but he is a bishop of Rome, if we are going to use that title for all ecclesiastical communities. Like we call the Episcopalian bishop of Chicago "a bishop of Chicago." Just not a bishop of Chicago like the 3(?) Orthodox bishops of Chicago (we have more, but the others have their titular sees elsewhere).

According to your Ecumenical Patriarch, His All-Holiness Bartholomew, Benedict XVI is "His Beatitude, the Bishop of Rome." Not "layman of the Vatican", as you would prefer to call him. If you have a problem with that, take it up with His All-Holiness, not with me.

He's not infallible, so they can throw out anything he says whenever what he says is inconvenient.

Given that he is leader of only a small percentage of Orthodox Christians, what he says, though valuable, is not the final word.

An interesting comment you make though, your pope is supposedly infallible yet Catholics are always throwing out anything he says that is inconvenient.

Shhh! We are not supposed to notice that, much less bring it up!

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I know that according to the Orthodox diptychs of the Catholic Church, he is not, but he is a bishop of Rome, if we are going to use that title for all ecclesiastical communities. Like we call the Episcopalian bishop of Chicago "a bishop of Chicago." Just not a bishop of Chicago like the 3(?) Orthodox bishops of Chicago (we have more, but the others have their titular sees elsewhere).

You perfectly know that I don't mean Benedict XVI but Bishops Silvanus who is a Bishop of Italy that resides in Rome.

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Who can watch the watchmen?"No one is paying attention to your post reports"Why do posters that claim to have me blocked keep sending me pms and responding to my posts? That makes no sense.

I know that according to the Orthodox diptychs of the Catholic Church, he is not, but he is a bishop of Rome, if we are going to use that title for all ecclesiastical communities. Like we call the Episcopalian bishop of Chicago "a bishop of Chicago." Just not a bishop of Chicago like the 3(?) Orthodox bishops of Chicago (we have more, but the others have their titular sees elsewhere).

You perfectly know that I don't mean Benedict XVI but Bishops Silvanus who is a Bishop of Italy that resides in Rome.

The sovereign of Vatican City Benedict XVI claims to be Metropolitan of Italy (supposedly that's the middle tier of the tiara). Bishop Siluan has his see in Rome.

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...but if Abp. Rowan was received into Orthodoxy, it would be as a layman.

Why would this be, if others are allowed to make guided transitions into the clergy? Would it be a formality?

Given that he's married, he couldn't be accepted as a bishop. Those who knowledgable are quite often ordained immediatly after chrismation, but he would likely be received as a layman, even if he was ordained immediatly after.