I don't think you can pick out one player and say good or bad at this point, I think were in the wait and see what a new coach can do with talent that was projected to have some good attributes coming out of the draft or as a F.A. that was coached by someone that tried to make them something they were not.

Unfortunately this does not add to trying to generate a conversation topic since we have a chalk board full of bad formulas written on it that has to be erased and started over.

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Odhiambo wasn't good in his stint at LT last season, but remember that he was thrown into the role at the last minute due to the Fant injury, it was his first NFL start at any position, and he was playing alongside a newcomer in Joeckel with very little coordination between the two. Odhiambo's 2017 wasn't any worse than Fant's 2016 season and he still only has 8 starts or so under his belt. Finally, availability is underrated and finishing out that game where he bruised his sternum was a big plus in his favor. In my opinion him finishing the season on IR was mostly because they picked up Brown.

It's also only natural that relatively unknown commodities like Roos and Battle will garner more hype from the fan base. Sort of like how the backup QB is the most popular player on any losing football team right up until he gets put into a game, and then the 3rd string QB becomes the most popular player on the team.

He was my adopt a rookie a couple years ago, and I've tried to follow him since.

IMO: Rees is a pure guard. He doesn't have the athleticism or length to play at tackle, and judging his long-term potential based on his play at LT probably wouldn't be fair.

When he plays at guard, his play has still been below average, but less embarrassing. With that said, I still say that he has potential as a legit starter. His strength is adequate, but he doesn't have the power to move big DL. His quickness is actually pretty good - though it's only short-area quickness... he shuffles well from block to block, but isn't great in space (including chasing down a LB).

His technique has been hard to judge. In year 1, he looked a bit lost, and I often thought that he regressed that year. If blocking in the pros is that much different from blocking in college, his rookie year was simply him relearning the basics. He didn't look great.

I thought he looked better at guard in 2017. He doesn't seem to win a lot of battles, but also doesn't lose a lot either.

I really do think that if he can get his mind in the right place, that he can be a legit starter. But, I also haven't seen the power from him to make me think he can press for a starting job on a team trying to be a power running team.

Odhiambo is one of the strongest guys on the team. That is one of his big assets. Here is a common assessment of him coming out of college before Fable began his curse on him.

On the slightly negative side though there wasn’t a clear edge to Odhimabo’s play and you’d love to see him knocking some helmet’s like we saw from Shon Coleman at Auburn. At tackle he’s a bit of a lunger and he sometimes overextends. Moving him inside will limit some of his weaknesses and bring out his power/agility.

To that extent he’s an exciting project for Tom Cable. He’s big, strong and mobile. Everything you hear about him suggests he’s a quick learner, he’s intelligent and a good worker. There’s no real pressure for him to start immediately (Mark Glowsinki appears to be pencilled in at left guard) and in a years time he could be really pushing to be the long term answer at that position.

Even though he’s better suited inside — like Ifedi he also has some swing-tackle benefits.

The key is health. He’s missed at least four games in each of the last three seasons. Injuries have been an issue for the Seahawks O-line in the past due to the physical nature of the scheme and their running style.

I don't think Rees has shown anything over the last 2 years to give anyone confidence that he'll become a quality starter. He was bad at Tackle and bad at guard.

Though it's curious people are giving him a pass, making excuses like "He's still learning, or he was thrown into a new position. He was a 3rd round pick and looked completely overwhelmed for most of the last 2 years. Curiously Ifedi, gets none of that courtesy from this board despite starting for 2 years (That's at least something). I would argue Ifedi has been a better player thus far in their careers. Yet it's Ifedi whose constantly being thrown under the bus.

I think Rees is a backup again this year-- Pocic will win the starting LG job, and he'll have a hard time making the team next year.

jlwaters1 wrote:Curiously Ifedi, gets none of that courtesy from this board despite starting for 2 years (That's at least something). I would argue Ifedi has been a better player thus far in their careers. Yet it's Ifedi whose constantly being thrown under the bus.

Obviously Ifedi should also improve with experience. It's not the same people who are making both arguments.

The biggest issue our OL has faced recently is having so many players with no experience at the position they are playing. The second biggest issue is having so many players with no experience playing with the people next to them.

toffee wrote:Anyone care to talk about potential of Rees? Apparently he measured well but hasn’t play well. Was it skills or Cable?

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Actually he was the worst-testing o-lineman John, Pete, and Cable ever drafted (until this year). I don't know if you follow Staton's draft blog, but according to the trench explosion formula that he figured out, Odhiambo measured poorly. As far as SPARQ, he was bottom 10% of the league. So based on his measurables and his poor performance, I really don't see much potential. As always when I'm negative about a Seahawk, I hope to be wrong.

Seymour wrote:Odhiambo is one of the strongest guys on the team. That is one of his big assets. Here is a common assessment of him coming out of college before Fable began his curse on him.

On the slightly negative side though there wasn’t a clear edge to Odhimabo’s play and you’d love to see him knocking some helmet’s like we saw from Shon Coleman at Auburn. At tackle he’s a bit of a lunger and he sometimes overextends. Moving him inside will limit some of his weaknesses and bring out his power/agility.

To that extent he’s an exciting project for Tom Cable. He’s big, strong and mobile. Everything you hear about him suggests he’s a quick learner, he’s intelligent and a good worker. There’s no real pressure for him to start immediately (Mark Glowsinki appears to be pencilled in at left guard) and in a years time he could be really pushing to be the long term answer at that position.

Even though he’s better suited inside — like Ifedi he also has some swing-tackle benefits.

The key is health. He’s missed at least four games in each of the last three seasons. Injuries have been an issue for the Seahawks O-line in the past due to the physical nature of the scheme and their running style.

Being one of the strongest, perhaps Rees could enjoy success in Solari’s system? Perhaps he could be a rod grader for our running game?

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Seymour wrote:Odhiambo is one of the strongest guys on the team. That is one of his big assets. Here is a common assessment of him coming out of college before Fable began his curse on him.

On the slightly negative side though there wasn’t a clear edge to Odhimabo’s play and you’d love to see him knocking some helmet’s like we saw from Shon Coleman at Auburn. At tackle he’s a bit of a lunger and he sometimes overextends. Moving him inside will limit some of his weaknesses and bring out his power/agility.

To that extent he’s an exciting project for Tom Cable. He’s big, strong and mobile. Everything you hear about him suggests he’s a quick learner, he’s intelligent and a good worker. There’s no real pressure for him to start immediately (Mark Glowsinki appears to be pencilled in at left guard) and in a years time he could be really pushing to be the long term answer at that position.

Even though he’s better suited inside — like Ifedi he also has some swing-tackle benefits.

The key is health. He’s missed at least four games in each of the last three seasons. Injuries have been an issue for the Seahawks O-line in the past due to the physical nature of the scheme and their running style.

Being one of the strongest, perhaps Rees could enjoy success in Solari’s system? Perhaps he could be a rod grader for our running game?

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That was their hope, but hasn't happened yet but I would not count him out either. New game, new leaders, all have a shot. Given what I've seen I give him less than 50/50 personally, but stranger things have happened.

Seymour wrote:Odhiambo is one of the strongest guys on the team. That is one of his big assets. Here is a common assessment of him coming out of college before Fable began his curse on him.

On the slightly negative side though there wasn’t a clear edge to Odhimabo’s play and you’d love to see him knocking some helmet’s like we saw from Shon Coleman at Auburn. At tackle he’s a bit of a lunger and he sometimes overextends. Moving him inside will limit some of his weaknesses and bring out his power/agility.

To that extent he’s an exciting project for Tom Cable. He’s big, strong and mobile. Everything you hear about him suggests he’s a quick learner, he’s intelligent and a good worker. There’s no real pressure for him to start immediately (Mark Glowsinki appears to be pencilled in at left guard) and in a years time he could be really pushing to be the long term answer at that position.

Even though he’s better suited inside — like Ifedi he also has some swing-tackle benefits.

The key is health. He’s missed at least four games in each of the last three seasons. Injuries have been an issue for the Seahawks O-line in the past due to the physical nature of the scheme and their running style.

Being one of the strongest, perhaps Rees could enjoy success in Solari’s system? Perhaps he could be a rod grader for our running game?

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That was their hope, but hasn't happened yet but I would not count him out either. New game, new leaders, all have a shot. Given what I've seen I give him less than 50/50 personally, but stranger things have happened.

Cable did identified our guard plays were the roots of our running deficiencies. Of course he wanted Joekel and Lang.

Except Lang didn’t sign and Joekel was a joke. But guards, according to Cable, was the problem.

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Although Odhiambo was graded as the worst lineman in the NFL last year and is ranked in the bottom 10% of the NFL in athleticism, I don't feel that he faced that much criticism from the fan base (the real vitriol was reserved almost exclusively for RT/RG Germain Ifedi, due to his unmistakable issue with penalties as an OT). And that's a good thing that Odhiambo has been treated with kid gloves, comparitively. He's doing the best he can, and the name calling helps no one.

In fact, I think internet mob mentality against unpopular players can sometimes be harmful, i.e. Eddie Lacy admitted to being mentally broken by the constant troll attacks on his weight. I'm not happy about Lacy's performance, at all, but what did the childish attacks solve?

As for Odhiambo, he's got a real battle on his hands in fighting for a roster spot against the likes of rookie Jamarco Jones (who has a similar skill set & build, but who is also more physical, more explosive, and more technically consistent), former starting OT George Fant, and second-year OG Jordan Roos, among others.

Well as stated above what you all think based on last year is irrelevant now, Cables square peg round hole mentality is not probably going to transition as much, we will see guys playing once again in a different spot but hopefully they will stick there and learn it now.

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chris98251 wrote:People forget we have ranges of people here from youngsters to old stiffs from all walks of life and education levels. Expression is going to be very different across these differences, why staying on topic and addressing posts without the inflammatory dialogue included is important, once things get personal everything goes sideways almost every time. It's also why we have the Shack !

jlwaters1 wrote:I don't think Rees has shown anything over the last 2 years to give anyone confidence that he'll become a quality starter. He was bad at Tackle and bad at guard.

Though it's curious people are giving him a pass, making excuses like "He's still learning, or he was thrown into a new position. He was a 3rd round pick and looked completely overwhelmed for most of the last 2 years. Curiously Ifedi, gets none of that courtesy from this board despite starting for 2 years (That's at least something). I would argue Ifedi has been a better player thus far in their careers. Yet it's Ifedi whose constantly being thrown under the bus.

I think Rees is a backup again this year-- Pocic will win the starting LG job, and he'll have a hard time making the team next year.

Bad at guard? What evidence do you have of this? I remember reading how odi was looking great at guard, the potential starter, then the Fant injury happened. I want him to get a good look at guard, and will not be surprised if he becomes the starter over Pocic this year.

I suspect many people will be surprised at how good our line will be. There is an old rule of thumb that except in the rarest of occasions, it takes 2-3 years for an O-lineman to fully develop in the league. We have several guys that have been favorite whipping boys around here for a couple of years. IIRC, we have several OL that are entering that magical sweet spot of 2-3 years experience who should start to blossom this season.

One of the problems coaches face is the limited practice time per the CBA. No position group needs more time to work together well than the O-line. Even Holmgren's line with Jones as its anchor took a couple of years to put together. I don't think the players are as bad as some folks around here like to proclaim. That's easy enough to say, but I don't necessarily buy into it.

I'm quite hopeful.

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jlwaters1 wrote:I don't think Rees has shown anything over the last 2 years to give anyone confidence that he'll become a quality starter. He was bad at Tackle and bad at guard.

Though it's curious people are giving him a pass, making excuses like "He's still learning, or he was thrown into a new position. He was a 3rd round pick and looked completely overwhelmed for most of the last 2 years. Curiously Ifedi, gets none of that courtesy from this board despite starting for 2 years (That's at least something). I would argue Ifedi has been a better player thus far in their careers. Yet it's Ifedi whose constantly being thrown under the bus.

I think Rees is a backup again this year-- Pocic will win the starting LG job, and he'll have a hard time making the team next year.

Bad at guard? What evidence do you have of this? I remember reading how odi was looking great at guard, the potential starter, then the Fant injury happened. I want him to get a good look at guard, and will not be surprised if he becomes the starter over Pocic this year.

I'm not sure you are remembering this correctly. Joeckel was the de facto starter at LG. Odhiambo was a non-starter at RG because he has been such a slow learner. IMO, he looked even worse at LG than he did at LT, where he at least had a background of familiarity. He gets out-physicaled a lot on the inside. Not an explosive, north-south player at the guard position.

jlwaters1 wrote:I don't think Rees has shown anything over the last 2 years to give anyone confidence that he'll become a quality starter. He was bad at Tackle and bad at guard.

Though it's curious people are giving him a pass, making excuses like "He's still learning, or he was thrown into a new position. He was a 3rd round pick and looked completely overwhelmed for most of the last 2 years. Curiously Ifedi, gets none of that courtesy from this board despite starting for 2 years (That's at least something). I would argue Ifedi has been a better player thus far in their careers. Yet it's Ifedi whose constantly being thrown under the bus.

I think Rees is a backup again this year-- Pocic will win the starting LG job, and he'll have a hard time making the team next year.

Bad at guard? What evidence do you have of this? I remember reading how odi was looking great at guard, the potential starter, then the Fant injury happened. I want him to get a good look at guard, and will not be surprised if he becomes the starter over Pocic this year.

I remember reading for like 3 straight years that the entire oline was "the best he's ever had" when it comes to Cable and his bogus evaluations. IMO forget everything you think you know about this group and follow who emerges from there.Rees did play some guard. He stepped on Russell's foot once or twice also IIRC from reeling back too fast.

The problem with being a rookie on our line was that nobody could help you.

The second problem was that you never knew what position you would play so you had to try to learn them all (good luck)

Most NFL teams, if they have a rookie on the line, can get help from the veterans. So they only had to worry about their mistakes. But on our team, because we had guys who played DL playing OL, guys that were rookies and guys being forced to change positions - nobody could help you.

Not only did you have to worry about YOUR mistakes, you constantly had to be aware of the mistakes others would make.

It was too much for almost anyone and I am frankly shocked that anyone came out of that system with a reasonable ability.

We know a lot of the rookies struggled but at some point we needed to try to determine why almost ALL of our rookies struggled. When you literally fail near 100% no matter how many attempts you take - it becomes clear it might not have been the players but the process we used to get our players effective.

I don't think we know what we have yet. And I think it will be some time before we do.

So it is probably unfair to pile on him, I imagine that a lot of our guys that struggle here might not have struggled so much on other teams that were not so saddled with such flawed processes.

Seymour wrote:I remember reading for like 3 straight years that the entire oline was "the best he's ever had" when it comes to Cable and his bogus evaluations. IMO forget everything you think you know about this group and follow who emerges from there.Rees did play some guard. He stepped on Russell's foot once or twice also IIRC from reeling back too fast.

That play illustrated one of the most baffling things about Cable. For all the talk about valuing versatility, he was insanely tied to types even between right and left guard and did nothing to develop versatility. In a playoff game, one injury to a rookie was all it took to see another rookie put in at a position he hadn't even practiced before (at least I think I remember hearing that). The difference between the sides on the OL is overstated, but practicing only one side actually makes it a problem.

jlwaters1 wrote:I don't think Rees has shown anything over the last 2 years to give anyone confidence that he'll become a quality starter. He was bad at Tackle and bad at guard.

Though it's curious people are giving him a pass, making excuses like "He's still learning, or he was thrown into a new position. He was a 3rd round pick and looked completely overwhelmed for most of the last 2 years. Curiously Ifedi, gets none of that courtesy from this board despite starting for 2 years (That's at least something). I would argue Ifedi has been a better player thus far in their careers. Yet it's Ifedi whose constantly being thrown under the bus.

I think Rees is a backup again this year-- Pocic will win the starting LG job, and he'll have a hard time making the team next year.

Bad at guard? What evidence do you have of this? I remember reading how odi was looking great at guard, the potential starter, then the Fant injury happened. I want him to get a good look at guard, and will not be surprised if he becomes the starter over Pocic this year.

I remember reading for like 3 straight years that the entire oline was "the best he's ever had" when it comes to Cable and his bogus evaluations. IMO forget everything you think you know about this group and follow who emerges from there.Rees did play some guard. He stepped on Russell's foot once or twice also IIRC from reeling back too fast.

I also remember Cable said Joeckel’s guard play in 2016 was the best in the league .... in the end Joeckel didn’t have one great game the whole year, not even good game. Often as problematic as our youngsters.

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Not only fans but players are known to read fan forums .... keeping conversation on issue, not personal , and with civility go a long way.

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jlwaters1 wrote:I don't think Rees has shown anything over the last 2 years to give anyone confidence that he'll become a quality starter. He was bad at Tackle and bad at guard.

Though it's curious people are giving him a pass, making excuses like "He's still learning, or he was thrown into a new position. He was a 3rd round pick and looked completely overwhelmed for most of the last 2 years. Curiously Ifedi, gets none of that courtesy from this board despite starting for 2 years (That's at least something). I would argue Ifedi has been a better player thus far in their careers. Yet it's Ifedi whose constantly being thrown under the bus.

I think Rees is a backup again this year-- Pocic will win the starting LG job, and he'll have a hard time making the team next year.

Bad at guard? What evidence do you have of this? I remember reading how odi was looking great at guard, the potential starter, then the Fant injury happened. I want him to get a good look at guard, and will not be surprised if he becomes the starter over Pocic this year.

I remember reading for like 3 straight years that the entire oline was "the best he's ever had" when it comes to Cable and his bogus evaluations. IMO forget everything you think you know about this group and follow who emerges from there.Rees did play some guard. He stepped on Russell's foot once or twice also IIRC from reeling back too fast.

I also remember Cable said Joeckel’s guard play in 2016 was the best in the league .... in the end Joeckel didn’t have one great game the whole year, not even good game. Often as problematic as our youngsters.

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I hear ya about cables comments and I know they were bs. It wasn't cable, it was an article from one of the outlets that follows the Seahawks. I have looked and looked, but can't find it.

In Pete's words, they're easing him back into the competition. #70's participation is clearly evident in the Training Camp Web Casts. I would think Odhiambo will see more meaningful reps in the coming practices.

Jville wrote:In Pete's words, they're easing him back into the competition. #70's participation is clearly evident in the Training Camp Web Casts. I would think Odhiambo will see more meaningful reps in the coming practices.

Thanks Jville, Rees didn't have a good year playing LT and suffered lots of injuries, bruised heart no less. I still see him as an asset for G.

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