We gonna dig up taglines? Have you watched the very first video of the dude unpacking it?

He is not the guy I'd stand behind and go "This guys' opinion matters to me!" Because, really, his entire tone, JUST OPENING THE BOX, is "How is this less than PS4". If that's what you're looking for - perhaps an external validation of your own beliefs, go for it. I'm good though. I kinda know what I'm getting myself into, and I'm ok with it. I'll take the lesser console, s'cool.

a bunch of friends from work are all going with the Xbox one, and I think I'm not missing out by skipping on the both consoles yet. I'm looking forward to some upcoming titles and we'll see where things sit by Q1. Until then, it looks like I've got some good gaming ahead of me. Perhaps not the best, but I don't have another 600+tax to shell out.

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"If it weren't for Philo T. Farnsworth, inventor of television, we'd still be eating frozen radio dinners." - Johnny Carson

We gonna dig up taglines? Have you watched the very first video of the dude unpacking it?

He is not the guy I'd stand behind and go "This guys' opinion matters to me!" Because, really, his entire tone, JUST OPENING THE BOX, is "How is this less than PS4". If that's what you're looking for - perhaps an external validation of your own beliefs, go for it. I'm good though. I kinda know what I'm getting myself into, and I'm ok with it. I'll take the lesser console, s'cool.

a bunch of friends from work are all going with the Xbox one, and I think I'm not missing out by skipping on the both consoles yet. I'm looking forward to some upcoming titles and we'll see where things sit by Q1. Until then, it looks like I've got some good gaming ahead of me. Perhaps not the best, but I don't have another 600+tax to shell out.

Aside from the guy being biased. I would like to see an unboxing vid. Can you link it?

Bottom line: "Buy it if there are exclusives that appeal to you, not for the bells and whistles. Otherwise, save $100 and get a PS4."

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That is basically what it boils down to. If you are in love with MS exclusives, then you should by all means get an Xbox.

If not, save yourself $100 and get the system that plays all of the other games better, the PS4.

Yep. You're back to this:

When all else fails, attack the messenger....not the message. If you just want to throw around silly pics and names, then by all means have at it. Care to refute the review? The PS4 is $100 cheaper and plays the multiplatform games better. The XB1 has exclusives though and if you like them, then you should get the XB1. What is wrong in that statement?

Sure ... it's from the Ars Technica review (linked above, and I've reposted below) where the dude pulls it apart with crap falling all over on his kitchen table and comments on poor build quality on a headset he's never used. It's dudesomerandomguy, and he's all kinds of sexy.

When all else fails, attack the messenger....not the message. If you just want to throw around silly pics and names, then by all means have at it. Care to refute the review? The PS4 is $100 cheaper and plays the multiplatform games better. The XB1 has exclusives though and if you like them, then you should get the XB1. What is wrong in that statement?

I will pose this question one more time. When all else WHAT fails? Reviews have been slightly more positive on the Xbone hardware than the PS4. There is nothing to defend against except the pile on.

Saw a Bone display model on the way home tonight, and it was sexy as hell. The design is very modern and simple. It was also smaller than I was led to believe by the internet lynch mob.

Now I know you're smoking something. The Bone is a HUGE square box with very little design in it. Heck it looks like someone took an old desktop computer that was designed to have the monitor sit on top of it and painted it black then threw an Xbox symbol on the side. What exactly is sexy about that?

Edited to add that I couldn't care less what the machines look like, but to say it looks sexy and modern is just crazy.

I've said since the reveals that I loved the Bone design. I never have been into Sony's style of making their consoles look oblong or oddly shaped. The Bone is very elegant now that I've seen one in person.

The Xbox One is nothing special visually, IMO. It looks like something out of the 80s. On the other hand, the white version is indeed kind of sexy. They should have gone with that color to begin with, not just as a limited edition. Maybe they were afraid of being compared to Apple.

Saw a Bone display model on the way home tonight, and it was sexy as hell. The design is very modern and simple. It was also smaller than I was led to believe by the internet lynch mob.

Now I know you're smoking something. The Bone is a HUGE square box with very little design in it. Heck it looks like someone took an old desktop computer that was designed to have the monitor sit on top of it and painted it black then threw an Xbox symbol on the side. What exactly is sexy about that?

Edited to add that I couldn't care less what the machines look like, but to say it looks sexy and modern is just crazy.

I've said since the reveals that I loved the Bone design. I never have been into Sony's style of making their consoles look oblong or oddly shaped. The Bone is very elegant now that I've seen one in person.

The Xbox One is nothing special visually, IMO. It looks like something out of the 80s. On the other hand, the white version is indeed kind of sexy. They should have gone with that color to begin with, not just as a limited edition. Maybe they were afraid of being compared to Apple.

an Apple designed one would be HAWT.

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While I'm not over the moon about how the XBone looks I am hopeful that having the power supply outside the box in addition to the copious venting will keep any heat related issues away. Oh and Amazon shipped and I've gotten Friday off.

I have to ask, are we talking no hope of a patch to increase game performance on the XB1? I mean what PS4 title actually shipped with the promised 1080p support? Resogun? AC4 needed a patch so why can't the Xbox do the same?

mine is shipping out of Richmond, VA, so if yours is coming from the same place you'll probably see a notice tomorrow. stuff from Richmond takes 2 days to get to my part of Ohio, but only 1 day to get to your neck of the woods.

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While I'm not over the moon about how the XBone looks I am hopeful that having the power supply outside the box in addition to the copious venting will keep any heat related issues away. Oh and Amazon shipped and I've gotten Friday off.

I have to ask, are we talking no hope of a patch to increase game performance on the XB1? I mean what PS4 title actually shipped with the promised 1080p support? Resogun? AC4 needed a patch so why can't the Xbox do the same?

My guess is there will be plenty of patches fixing things up. Sony fanboys are in attack mode on patchable issues with the box and the games. While Xboners are in full on defend mode saying they don't care.

My guess is patches are incoming and things will be all good in a couple of months, if not within a couple of weeks for the games themselves.

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" And they are a strong and frightening force, impervious to, and immunized against, the feeble lance of mere reason." Isaac Asimov

It may be a moot point but I'm wondering whether or not the Xbox will be DOA in Japan. They've been pummeled for the past two generations, even when MS went above and beyond the call with the 360. The 360 had a significant headstart on the PS3 and some fairly Japanese friendly games (Blue Dragon anyone?). Do we know when the Xbox is being released in Japan other than "2014"? The PS4 will probably have the headstart this go around and will definitely have the homefield advantage. Also MS has yet to learn some important lessons for the Japanese market. For one, they don't like humongous boxes. The PS3 was fairly large last gen but I think the Xbox One has it beat and the competition this time will be much smaller and more suitable for a cramped entertainment space. Secondly, Kinect still requires a relatively large amount of space in order to work. It's better than last time but multiplayer still needs 6 ft of space for multiplayer. Japanese living rooms are small, small, small so that could be a problem. Thirdly, I have some doubts about how the Xbox One's media capibilities will be when it comes to Japanese TV and whatnot. Perhaps MS can get some kind of deals with the big media companies in Japan but I have my doubts. I wonder what the long term effect will be. Obviously the big name games (Resident Evil, MGS, etc) will still be produced for both consoles but what about the lesser known quirky Japanese games? Perhaps the PS4 will be the system you need if you are interested in playing those?

It may be a moot point but I'm wondering whether or not the Xbox will be DOA in Japan. They've been pummeled for the past two generations, even when MS went above and beyond the call with the 360. The 360 had a significant headstart on the PS3 and some fairly Japanese friendly games (Blue Dragon anyone?). Do we know when the Xbox is being released in Japan other than "2014"? The PS4 will probably have the headstart this go around and will definitely have the homefield advantage. Also MS has yet to learn some important lessons for the Japanese market. For one, they don't like humongous boxes. The PS3 was fairly large last gen but I think the Xbox One has it beat and the competition this time will be much smaller and more suitable for a cramped entertainment space. Secondly, Kinect still requires a relatively large amount of space in order to work. It's better than last time but multiplayer still needs 6 ft of space for multiplayer. Japanese living rooms are small, small, small so that could be a problem. Thirdly, I have some doubts about how the Xbox One's media capibilities will be when it comes to Japanese TV and whatnot. Perhaps MS can get some kind of deals with the big media companies in Japan but I have my doubts. I wonder what the long term effect will be. Obviously the big name games (Resident Evil, MGS, etc) will still be produced for both consoles but what about the lesser known quirky Japanese games? Perhaps the PS4 will be the system you need if you are interested in playing those?

Yeah so what has changed? The PS3 had the market on quirky Japanese games last gen, and the 360 didn't do well there. I don't see much of a change this gen.

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" And they are a strong and frightening force, impervious to, and immunized against, the feeble lance of mere reason." Isaac Asimov

While I'm not over the moon about how the XBone looks I am hopeful that having the power supply outside the box in addition to the copious venting will keep any heat related issues away. Oh and Amazon shipped and I've gotten Friday off.

I have to ask, are we talking no hope of a patch to increase game performance on the XB1? I mean what PS4 title actually shipped with the promised 1080p support? Resogun? AC4 needed a patch so why can't the Xbox do the same?

most PS4 games are 1080p. Killzone, Resogun, Knack, Nba2k14, Nfs:Rivals all shipped that way. Ac4 needed and got a patch. CoD shipped 1080p multi and needed a patch for single player. BF4 is 900p on ps4 with no talk of a patch.

1080p != game performance, so I don't see them patching a lot of XB1 games to bring up the resolution (which may not even be physically possible in some cases). And keep in mind all games output to 1080p in the end via the upscaler.

When all else fails, attack the messenger....not the message. If you just want to throw around silly pics and names, then by all means have at it. Care to refute the review? The PS4 is $100 cheaper and plays the multiplatform games better. The XB1 has exclusives though and if you like them, then you should get the XB1. What is wrong in that statement?

I will pose this question one more time. When all else WHAT fails? Reviews have been slightly more positive on the Xbone hardware than the PS4. There is nothing to defend against except the pile on.

Reviews on a box that plays games say nothing about which system is better to play games on. I can see the XBox One getting better reviews as a piece of equipment just because it has some additional features (and costs more). Does not mean it's the better box to play games on.

360 can output 1080p, and there are a very small handful of games that are native 1080p.

Which will only increase over time. Hopefully XBO can get some improvements going to where they can output native 1080p as well, but right now it's not there and AC4, for instance, looks great at 1080p res.