Reason 2: DJ was offered $11mil a year from our old GM who is POR's new GM

Reason 3: Olshey has been looking for a young Center to Pair with Lillard since trying to get Hibbert

Reason 4: Blazers have said they are trying to trade the 10th pick

Reason 5: We can offer more than Bulls

Reason 6: We don't need another PF when we have one that's clearly better then him.

Reason 7: He is not a center.

Neither is KG

The issue is even less about being a C and more about being a defensive anchor. KG certainly has the height and length to be a C, so does Aldridge, but one is an amazing defender, one is average at best and consistently seemingly needs to be paired up next o a great defender. KG was an excellent defender in Minnesota too, so it isn't some "Doc will make him a good defender" kind of situation.

If Aldrdige is saying "yes I want to be a C", "yes, I want to commit to, being a defensive anchor", "yes I'm content with being more of the pick and pop option a secondary post option as opposed to the primary post option", and you believe that he can do it, then yea, go for it.

On the other hand, he played with a 6'9 guy who was inferior in every physically trait but that guy was playing C instead of him, and their defense was awful. He's been on an on average below average defensive team his whole career. In theory, Matthews and Batum are also supposed to be fairly decent perimeter defenders.

Offensively the spacing and basically never turning the ball over is great, but both as a 2nd option and first option, his playoff production when you look past the raw numbers isn't that great. Per 36 so that high minutes don't overrate the level of production because when people see 20 pts all other logic and analysis goes out the window.

Aldridge playoffs per 36 career:

17.7 pts, 6.3 rebs (4.5 defensive), .508 TS%, 104 Ortg

Payoff per 36 career highs:

17.9 pts (2010), .519 TS% (2009), 105 Ortg (2010)

Blake 2012 playoffs:

19.1 pts, 6.9 rebs, .533 TS%, 104 Ortg in 35.7 MPG

...and we were disappointed.

This year, despite the injury,

Blake 2013 playoffs per 36:

18 pts, 7.5 rebs, 3.4 assists, .524 TS%, 103 Ortg

Blake can't shoot and teams play him a certain way and not only does he produce a higher scoring rate, he's more efficient...and it's not like the Clippers were playing with pace. His Ortg is not better because Aldridge doesn't turn the ball over, Blake does.

When you put it in perspective, Aldridge is very underwhelming in the post-season.

That doesn't take away the value of him spreading the floor, but it does mean that his actual production and volume as a scorer isn't the super valuable thing, you'd be much better off getting Paul and Blake more shots. What's valuable is how his spacing can help Paul and Blake and allow them also to open up shots for the more efficient 3PT shooters. It means you don't specifically want him taking a lot of shots, you are more interested in the value of his spacing. Now, if he could rebound and/or defend at a high level, then it would be great.

Then you have to ask yourself, if I'm not getting him for the volume scoring because at .508 TS%, even with his low turnovers, his 104 Ortg in the playoffs is not that great, then should I spend that money on him? Combined with Bargnani rebounding and mediocre defense I might be setting up high expectations that bring me a lot of disappointment when I get to the post-season.

So you then start to think, is spacing is his main value to this team because I always have shot creators at PG and a post shot creator, then can't I get a cheaper spacing big who can rebound and defend about as well as LMA and invest the difference in money at another position. So you're asking, at his efficiency, how valuable is his shot creation from a mid-post scoring area on this team that already has Blake Griffin? Especially when I loose rebounding and my defense might suffer.

Just as your Hipness predicted when he was traded. LAL has proven that it is possible to do the impossible f*ck your self in your own bum.. Well Stu "the EEEEEEasy Deuce" Lantz. I guess it will be Kobe time and to help you there is Pau Metta and I doubt Nash. They have a run and gun coach but if is going to compliment his style he needs to buy motorized wheelchairs Upon whom can they dump Pau

Not to pee in the punchbowl

Doc said DJ is our "defensive anchor" "BG and DJ will be the most dominant front court in the league"

Forget DJ trades

C4L

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06/27/2013 - 04:37 PM PST

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A lot of lakers fans like to come on here and start crap. I think that is what they mean when they say they are wary of you.

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06/27/2013 - 05:06 PM PST

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You cannot talk bad about Cherokee Parks either. Strictly forbidden.

bfgboy

06/27/2013 - 05:37 PM PST

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Ha! I proposed this to my buddy just last night!

Portland gets: DJ, #2 pick, and Nicholson

Orlando gets: Bledsoe, Butler, #10 pick and #25 pick

Clips get: Aldridge and Affalo

He said there was no way Portland would trade LA, but if they did, that could get it. What say you?

tense2

06/27/2013 - 05:40 PM PST

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What did Doc say about DJ yesterday...he did mention anchor with DJ and Blake in the same sentence I believe.

tense2

06/27/2013 - 05:42 PM PST

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No, because LA ain't no center. Now IF we needed a PF, then yes.

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06/27/2013 - 06:40 PM PST

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He sho' nuff did. Forget trading DJ.

What's that old film (not Pretty Woman) where a guy turns a semi literate cockney into a lady? Good luck Doc or should I say "Good luck Governor"

to quote Walton

"THROW IT DOWN BIG MAN!"

You're wearing Mr Russell's number. Live up to it. Have you noticed how many players call him Mr Russell?

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06/28/2013 - 03:38 AM PST

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BG>LMA. He is also still improving. No way would we do this.

slestack11

06/28/2013 - 10:34 AM PST

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If olshey wants deandre Jordan, why not try for a trade with Aldridge and Jordan as the principles and then try and trade Aldridge to the lakers for Dwight sign and trade? Maybe we throw in butlers expiring contract or Bledsoe too. This would give the clippers cp3, Blake griffin, and Dwight Howard. Of course Howard might want to be the featured star so not sure he'd be happy on the same team as griffin.

I can't believe the nets snaked Paul pierce from us. A bit disappointing.

da11da

06/28/2013 - 11:11 AM PST

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I'm pretty sure Olshey would prefer Dwight Howard.

slestack11

06/28/2013 - 11:54 AM PST

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True. So the clippers play should be to acquire Aldridge and then swap griffin for Howard. I'd rather have Aldridge and Howard than griffin and deandre.

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06/28/2013 - 12:06 PM PST

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I'm pretty sure Olshey would prefer Dwight Howard.

but he won't go there so it doesn't matter. I still don't think the Lakers would participate in a trade that makes us even more superior to them than we already are but stranger things have happened. Next week will be interesting. If they see that he's gonna bail like ESPN wants to happen, maybe they decide it's worth it to get somebody good back for him.
3way trade:
DJ and Bled to Portland
LA to Lakers
Dwight to Clips
And we add whatever worthless late 1st round picks are required to make it happen.
I'd....

Lamarcus Aldridge is a great player and all and I definitely give him the respect he deserves but that wouldn't be a smart move for us. He's not what we need at all, we need to get tougher and with Aldridge as our center we'd be one of the softest teams in the NBA

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06/28/2013 - 01:13 PM PST

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I would definitely welcome a Bynum signing but I doubt he signs for even the full MLE. I know he's in no place to demand a high contract BUT there will be a desperate team who will pay a premium for him and take a chance on his knee getting better. There's always a desperate team out there.

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06/28/2013 - 03:23 PM PST

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BBALLBREAKDOWN ‏@bballSource 27m

I'm hearing through the grapevine that there's talk of LaMarcus Aldridge being traded to the #Clippers, DeAndre Jordan being part of pkg

Aldridge would be so nice of a fit next to Blake. People saying they would get bullied need to remember Blake has wrestled with the likes of Dwight.. and Aldridge despite being skinny is long enough to guard centers. They will figure it out.

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06/28/2013 - 03:30 PM PST

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I totally agree. Aldridge is an all star! Even though he does not want to play center if he had the choice, he might be happy with us because we are a team that has a chance to win. Also, the NBA does not have as many great, big, strong centers like the past. Miami was able to win without a great strong big.

Aldridge can also spread the floor and shoot outside jumpers well, giving Blake more room to operate down low. Aldridge also has a decent low post offensive game.

clipperboy24

06/28/2013 - 03:33 PM PST

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This would be a huge trade. At first thought I was jumping the gun when I posted the rumor but this is sweet! Him and by would be ideal together and can learn to play complimentary d

ClippersSince97

06/28/2013 - 03:35 PM PST

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What does LMA's contract look like right now?

jarca

06/28/2013 - 03:39 PM PST

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Who's a real center in the west besides gasol? I'm not counting dwing cuz he's not that efficient down low.

This is a great trade

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06/28/2013 - 03:42 PM PST

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this is one of those trades you pull in video games. trade for names (guys with the highest ratings) without regard for position or defense. it doesn't matter because its a video game and you'll play how you want to play.

reality: trade for roles and best fit, not for names. LMA doesn't fit our current needs. sure he's that stretch 4 guy that can work the pick/pop like no one's business, but we need that steady 5 (and not have a guy that can barely get by guarding opposing 4s playing the 5...with a significant price tag)

tense2

06/28/2013 - 03:43 PM PST

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JMHO, but think this rumor dies on the "vine".

tense2

06/28/2013 - 03:45 PM PST

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He's owed 30 mil for the next 2 years.

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06/28/2013 - 03:53 PM PST

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True. If the Blazers turned down 1st pick, 19th pick and Waiters who's better than DJ and cheaper they aren't going to take DJ and Bledsoe. Not to mention they have a better PG than Bledsoe and just drafted another.

tense2

06/28/2013 - 03:58 PM PST

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that and LA is not a true center...8 RPG in PER 36 with very questionable defense, system or no system with standing.

Gives us Batum and we got a deal.

clipperstown

06/28/2013 - 04:03 PM PST

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This rumor is hilarious

ekker3

06/28/2013 - 04:05 PM PST

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give us batum and we got a STEAL! that would be immense.

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06/28/2013 - 04:19 PM PST

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Guys no way in hell we can take TWO max contracts without BG going out.

Why do people love names so much? As long as there's the aura of a big name player "All-Star", etc, people disregard everything else. When is it okay to disregard some fit issues: when it is superstar players. Aldridge is FAR from a superstar. So when it's like "I have Jordan but I don't want to trade for Pippen because of spacing issues", my response is please shut your mouth and make the trade. When it's like "I have 2000 Vince Carter and I don't want to trade for Kobe Bryant because they are too similar", please, don't let me slap you, put one at SF.

Positions also matter, for example you don't trade for two PG's. So if you have Paul and want to trade for MVP level Nash, what exactly are you trying to accomplish?

When the players are All-Stars and not superstars, but in positions you can accommodate, SG/SF and PF/C, you really have to thnk of fit.

Here's what people need to understand with an Aldridge trade:

1) He's not a defensive anchor or a high impact defensive player despite his length and has never been. Blake doesn't have the tools to be an anchor like that. You're accepting that this team is going to the playoffs with the intent of winning on offense and with a mediocre defense. This could only be changed by getting a Lebron impact level defender at SF. Now, I still reserve the possibility that Aldridge could become that, but it's probably not the most realistic way of thinking.

2) Both as a first and second option, he's not that efficient a scorer, but very low turnover which makes him a very positive offensive player in the regular season. Again, with the same qualifications, as a 1st and 2nd option, he's similar to less efficient than guys like Rondo (last three playoffs .505 TS%) and Westbrook (.510 TS%) in the playoffs and only averages 17.7 pts/36 in his playoff career with a high of 17.9 pts. Now, if it was 17.7 pts/36 on .600 TS%, sure, sign me up, at the least you know your offense is set and you can attempt to win on offense, but it is 17.7 pts/36 on .508 TS%. His Ortg dropped from an average of 114 in the regular season to an average of 104 in the three years he made the playoffs.

3) Take out age and LMA is basically a slightly higher scoring David West clone (like 1 more pt per 36 minutes) who is generally less efficient. So here's how you can gauge this by taking out the names and "All-Star" and "averaged 20 PPG", all the things that make people make poor estimations. The Question: would 30 year old David West be worth ~$14M to this team starting in the front-court next to Blake Griffin? If you say no, then that's your answer about Aldridge.

You watch their floor games and they have similar styles, mid-post iso, great step back/fade away jumpers, West better at face up and ball handling, Aldridge better with his turn around fadeaway from the post. Both great pick and pop threats, West has generally scored about a point less per 36 minutes but been more efficient (regular season and playoffs). Both mediocre rebounders, but West better in the post-season, both similar strength profiles, both similar defenders, West is "tougher" whatever that counts for.

Yea, when you take out the allure of things like 20 PPG and All-Star etc, you get better perspective of what exactly this move is. Aldridge doesn't get the "well play him next to Paul and he will be magically better excuse" because West had George Hill this season and had similar productions to playing with Paul. Aldridge also played off Roy and the league's best lob man in Andre Miller, and his rookie PG was pretty good.

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06/28/2013 - 05:06 PM PST

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It seems like there are so many PF available but no centers. The one thing that all these PF's who are rumored to be available have in common, is that they're all offensive players with Poor defense, which is the attribute we really need.

I don't mind running with BG and DJ for one more season if we can't get a quality defensive anchor through trade or free agency. We just need them both to improve their toughness. IF Dj is going to be an anchor he can't be afraid to bang bodies. He Must be willing to get nasty if he's going to become a legitimate defensive presence.

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06/28/2013 - 05:12 PM PST

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But if you had to pick, you wouldn't have LA over DJ?

If Aldrige commits to a Center role under Doc, it could work.

Just remember, we can't be picky as they're are no options out there hardly at all and our center is DEANDRE JORDAN. Can't hit free throws, can't box out, has no offense, etc.

Even if DJ is a tad better on defense and bigger by an inch or 2, I'd still take Alridge. Way more upside and much added versatility to the team.

-We have been rumored to want to form a big 3, this trade accomplishes that.

-Aldridge's midrange game would help open up the inside for Blake.

-We get the defensive stopper/three point shooting guard that we wanted in Afflalo.

Why for Blazers?

-Olshey loves DJ.

-They shed Matthew's contract and replace it with the expiring Butler.

-They receive a pick in the coveted 2014 draft. Between Orlando and Denver, the pick should be relatively low

-They also receive a unprotected pick from the Clippers in 2017

-Ultimately, this trade helps them with the rebuilding process and sets them up pretty good for the summer of 2014

Why for Magic?

-They receive the PG that they covet in EBled.

-Matthew's deal is a year shorter than Afflalo's, so they get some relief there. Plus, Matthews don't mind coming off the bench.

-They are able to make good use of one of the draft picks they stock piled in the D12 trade.

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06/28/2013 - 06:04 PM PST

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I'd say - if you can get a player, who regularly makes 20ppg with 8rpg (which, by the way is better than what Blake did last season), and can play the position, which your team is currently weakest at, YOU TAKE THAT PLAYER! This is not about David West, who fits at center or who is the better defender. LMA is a better overall player than DJ and if we can get him by giving away DJ, WE GET HIM and make it work after that! Not to mention that LMA is actually not as bad a defender as some try to make him look. The stats might not prove it directly, but he is in no way a liability on defense, which DJ has proven he can be!

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06/28/2013 - 06:13 PM PST

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Botev adjust for minutes and Blake put up 21/10/4 on WAY better efficiency. Can't compare a 39 minute staline to a 32.

tense2

06/28/2013 - 06:18 PM PST

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Look at the the PER 36 and how many more shot attempts LA has to Blake before making that statement. Except for the FT's, Blake's the better player....and LA still isn't a center no matter how you spin it.

Consider that Blake also played with CP. Lillard is good, but no floor general like CP.

Aldrige and Blake CAN play effectively with each other I feel like, and this is something that would work more than your average situation because CP will be managing the floor. And Doc will definitely assign roles and make sure everyone understands that.

tense2

06/28/2013 - 07:43 PM PST

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Tell that to Doc, maybe he hasn't thought that though.

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06/28/2013 - 07:48 PM PST

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Aldridge would likely play Center, or Blake. Honestly when you have two talented big men who aren't natural Centers it honestly doesn't matter really whose playing what. There aren't many big men centers out there that would punish Blake and Aldridge. And we have to remember, Aldridge is a better defender than Blake.

While this trade to me seems like a 3-5% chance of being realistic, and less than that of a chance of happening I think it would be a great move.

I am not worried about who does what in the East, the Celtics gave up 3 of their best players to another team in the East. So far, no giant moves in the West and the power hasn't shifted. I still feel we are the 2nd or 3rd best team in the West. You just never know when San Antonio is finally going to decline, Denver had probably the best season they will ever have and Memphis played their butts out again, and I put them on the same page or close to our level, even though they did beat us and advance to the Conference Finals.

But, we do need to make a big move. If we aren't keeping Bledsoe, or the team feels they can get some star power by sending out DJ and Butler with a draft pick then something needs to surface and get done. Houston could very well land Dwight Howard. Combine Howard with Harden, Parsons and Lin and that's a very good team. Harden and Howard alone make them a 40 win club. It's teams like Houston, Golden State and potentially Dallas with their giant cap space over the next few years that worry me, much more than Oklahoma City or San Antonio.

clipperboy24

06/28/2013 - 08:50 PM PST

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This is exactly the trade I was thinking minus Wesley Matthews. I think a 3 way trade makes sense because we all have pieces the others want. To deal directly with the magic for Bledsoe wouldn't be enough assets and we don't have the right assets to deal directly with the blazers. If we send up the pick from the magic and a pick of our own plus dj it really does pencil.

Afflalo and Aldridge for dj Bledsoe and our 2017 1st is a great trade.

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06/28/2013 - 08:59 PM PST

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Blake's rookie numbers without CP are still better per minute and more efficient than Aldridge outside of FT shooting, so no, playing with Paul isn't what allows Blake to be a more productive player. Aldridge played with the best lob thrower in Dre Miller and with Roy and still wasn't as efficient a scorer as Blake.

I don't like when people compare or examine numbers without consideration of minutes. You could average 21 pts in 46 MPG on 19 FGA and people would be impressed because of "20+ points, ahh", but that's a mediocre scorer. The impressive thing there would be playing 46 MPG, not scoring 21 pts. A decent amount of people would actually think that someone scoring 21 pts in 46 minutes is a better scorer than someone scoring 18 pts in 36 minutes because "3 more PPG!".

The problem is that the defensive issue is being made to be about man to man defense, but it's about how they impact TEAM defense. This isn't about whether Nikola Pekovic can beat on Aldridge or Blake one on one, it's about whether LMA or Blake can sit at the back of a defense and alter shots at the rim (don't necessarily have to block), control the defensive glass, hardly ever miss rotations, be the vocal man at the back of the defense, play elite pick and roll defense.

People keep thinking of the anchoring defense question as "who do they have to guard one on one", that's not the main issue. If you have 5 good one on one defenders who play poor team defense you will be an average defense because as soon as picks and ball movement and misdirection come, your guys are getting lost. You can be an average one on one defender but be an elite team defender because of how well you rotate, communicate, alter shots, and that would make you an overall very good defender.

Aldridge has not shown that capability once in his career, and if our hopes are hinging on Blake to do that, well I believe in miracles, but I'd like something a bit more sure.

Now, I'm not saying this would be a horrible trade, it's always good to win from a talent stand point, and this would make a great regular season team, and they could possibly figure it out defensively. What I'm saying that this could be a very deceptive trade. Great in the regular season, but when matchups get tighter in the post-season, Aldridge no longer brings elite offense, very average offense, and if the mediocre defense won't hold up. What this means is that we end up relying on Paul to make magic happen again. Now, if Blake improves and becomes a high level offensive PF, then we can ride that, but having Aldridge wouldn't be the X-Factor, it would just be Blake being really good.

Portland was a great regular season offense with average to below average defense with Aldridge and Roy. In the post-season, Aldridge couldn't keep, it up, so the offense was no longer great, and they couldn't win games defensively. That meant all first round exits.

tense2

06/28/2013 - 09:06 PM PST

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Stop making sense Agent, Aldridge can play center I just know he can...

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06/28/2013 - 09:15 PM PST

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bro, you can do it in 2K that means you can do it in real life

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06/28/2013 - 10:43 PM PST

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Aldridge likes Bulls. Portland will hold out for a better deal. he may not get traded at all. Portland don't like what the clips, bulls & mavs offered for aldridge.

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06/29/2013 - 01:41 AM PST

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Wow. This is brilliant. I hope this happens!!! IF we get Aldridge and Afflalo, that would be SICK! Very well thought out trade and seems like it could happen. Keep posting it everywhere and email it to all the GMs. I'm serious!

-The incentive for the Raptors is they trade Aldridge who doesn't want to be there and they get DJ to be their starting center, instead of wasting their cap space on somebody like Bynum or Kaman, just because they are a center. Instead, they could use their cap space on a power forward like Josh Smith or Paul Milsap. The Blazers also get THREE 1st round picks and dump Freeland's contract. This is a good deal for the Blazers, especially considering that the Clippers are their most logical trade partner. Chicago don't want to give up Noah and Dallas don't really have anything of value to send Portland.

-The incentive for the Raptors is that they get Bledsoe, who they are supposedly highly interested in. All they have to give up is Amir Johnson (a bench player) and two some what distant first round picks. They absorb two contracts, Butler is expiring and Freeland is 3 million for the next 2 seasons.

-Immediately after we do this trade, we could try to split the MLE between Barnes and Allen, bolstering our defense. We have shooters at the wings in Bullock and Crawford, plus we would now have a shooter at the 5. We need to be careful to have a good balance of shooters and defenders. I put emphasis on defense at the wings because out rim protection wouldn't be all that great with Aldridge in their instead of DJ. Amir Johnson is a good shot blocker though, so I would make sure he gets all the back up minutes at the 4/5.

tense2

06/30/2013 - 05:29 PM PST

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Aldridge isn't coming here I'm afraid no matter how many trade scenarios people come up with.