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you trade around for all those picks and get one starter, a #2 CB and a bunch of backups.

Sign micheal Johnson even though cinci has more than enough money to retain him.

And leave a few big holes in the roster...[/quote]

This draft is weak at the top and we need plenty still. I count 5 starters not including mack and dawson. Bray has all of the talent in the world and some really good stats. if Norv and chud can develop him its a grand slam.

Starters:
Vasquez and warford-og
Trufant -cb
Johnson-de/olb
williams-te who can block and catch!!!
Others:
Bray-dev qb with huge upside
gillislee-rb depth cheap
Hartline-#3 or #2 with solid hands and good speed.
Mack and dawson-let them finish careers in cleveland.

I can only guess why you traded completely out of the first round. My guess is you wanted the extra first next year to either get a very good q.b. or Clowney. If you want a q.b. next year than don't draft Bray. You did probably give us the best off. line in football but I'd rather just have one new guard than get a free safety._________________browns and indian fan 7272

The reason i traded out of round 1 was value and the jets pick will be top 5 next year in a better draft. Geno Smith is not a franchise qb and i will take that trade all day long. As far as 2 guards its what we needed last year and still need this year. This was an expansion caliber roster when heckert took over and he did not hit on all of his premium picks and would panic and trade up when he did not need to. Mike Johnson will probably see f.a. because mike brown is cheap and they will need to pay Atkins asap. bray in the 3rd round is worth the risk. In 2014 i would look at trading down and always having extra 2nd's and 3rd's going forward if the price was right and a blue chip player was not available.

The reason i traded out of round 1 was value and the jets pick will be top 5 next year in a better draft. Geno Smith is not a franchise qb and i will take that trade all day long. As far as 2 guards its what we needed last year and still need this year. This was an expansion caliber roster when heckert took over and he did not hit on all of his premium picks and would panic and trade up when he did not need to. Mike Johnson will probably see f.a. because mike brown is cheap and they will need to pay Atkins asap.

all of this is wrong.

and you should never trade down banking on how a team will do next year. Thats a terrible idea. Everything though the Browns handed the Cowboys a top 5 pick, how did that work out?

how has Heckert not hit on all his premium picks? Weeden is up for debate and Hardesty was a failure. Everything else he nailed.

Geno Smith is a far better player than Ponder, Gabbert, Sanchez, Locker, or Tannehill ever were in college. He'll be a top 5 pick. I firmly believe that Barkley will as well.

QB's get over drafted. Every year. Fact.

Guards don't make championship teams. Spending a ton of FA money and a premium pick in the draft is wasteful. One of the two is fine, but not both.

on top of that, you ignored FS and the lack of depth at OLB. Both of which are more important that G.

and you should never trade down banking on how a team will do next year. Thats a terrible idea. Everything though the Browns handed the Cowboys a top 5 pick, how did that work out?

The pick was #22 and i was against quinn then. He was and is to light in his loafers to lead men on the field.

Wow... um... besides the obviously offensive implications there, I'm pretty sure Tom Brady is considered to be a GQ type and he's had no problem being a field general. This isnt meant to turn this thread into a Brady Quinn thread, I was just surprised you said that.

[quote="BwickBrownie"][quote="mkk"][quote="bulldog"]and you should never trade down banking on how a team will do next year. Thats a terrible idea. Everything though the Browns handed the Cowboys a top 5 pick, how did that work out?[/quote]

The pick was #22 and i was against quinn then.[b] He was and is to light in his loafers to lead men on the field.[/b][/quote]

Wow... um... besides the obviously offensive implications there, I'm pretty sure Tom Brady is considered to be a GQ type and he's had no problem being a field general. This isnt meant to turn this thread into a Brady Quinn thread, I was just surprised you said that.[/quote]

Brady is 0-2 in the super bowl since he went GQ. What is so offensive about the truth??

[quote="bulldog"][quote="mkk"]and you should never trade down banking on how a team will do next year. Thats a terrible idea. Everything though the Browns handed the Cowboys a top 5 pick, how did that work out?

The pick was #22 and i was against quinn then. He was and is to light in his loafers to lead men on the field.[/quote]