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My memory goes back further than four years. I bet both Bushs borrowed and spent more on invading those two countries than Obama did trying to get us out of this mess. But somehow in a sick way the entertainment value of those wars made it worth it...but not to me. Half of our debt are those three wars which are on the Bushs.

Why do you want to forget the debt accrued by these wars? Isn’t that how we learn from our mistakes? Is it that if the media stops talking about it we should too? Before we talk about war with Iran we should discuss how we will fund it…unlike what Bush did, or what Obama will do.

Why do you want to forget the debt accrued by these wars? Isn’t that how we learn from our mistakes? Is it that if the media stops talking about it we should too? Before we talk about war with Iran we should discuss how we will fund it…unlike what Bush did, or what Obama will do.

You're ridiculous.

Those wars are the reason we're up to our eyeballs in debt ?

Those wars are the reason we're struggling economically ?

Those wars added 6 trillion in 4 years ?

Seriously man. You're reaching. Why can I give you sn up to date detailed explanation of our situation and you go "back to the future" on us ?

Oh, you mean back to 1913, when Woodrow Wilson gave in to a group of bankers and a group of suffragettes and signed bills creating the Federal Reserve and the income tax (against his better judgment, by the way), so that the government would no longer have to rely on the liquor tax as its primary source of income, and Prohibition could get passed, and the USA could spend the rest of its days in debt to its children and grandchildren and great grandchildren....

Oh, you mean back to 1913, when Woodrow Wilson gave in to a group of bankers and a group of suffragettes and signed bills creating the Federal Reserve and the income tax (against his better judgment, by the way), so that the government would no longer have to rely on the liquor tax as its primary source of income, and Prohibition could get passed, and the USA could spend the rest of its days in debt to its children and grandchildren and great grandchildren....

Note I am blaming both sides here. We accept the circumstance that no one wanted to do anything as it might affect chances to be re-elected. We, I suppose, now think that's a valid thing. Problems aren't what's important, only political careers.

We deserve exactly what we get. We allow it.

Good post Scrog!

Seems the economy is not important... tabloid style emotions are more important.

That's neither here nor there. You are talking about what a profitable business will do in spite of obstacles, not because of them. Punishment does not push businesses to profitability so much as it gets in the way of it.

With all the misrepresentation, straw man arguments, and demagoguery by Obama and his handlers, I'd keep all my affairs as private as possible, no matter how perfect and above board they might be, just to avoid all the negative chatter and the consequent needless time and effort wasted in justifying things that would otherwise need no justification.

When liars are in the habit of attacking people who have a habit of telling the truth, the best thing a truth-teller can do for himself is keep his mouth shut.

If a few more Republicans understood this, they would have seats in Congress right now.

And possibly the GOP might have control of the senate... thus totally road/blocking that idiot who lied and bought his way back into the WH.