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Has anyone got any opinions on this software for integrating osx and windows?
http://www.vmware.com/products/fusion/
seems it would save dual booting. would this make windows vst's
operable from the mac side in a host like Ableton?
Byron
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I don't have any specific experiences using VSTs from a virtualized copy of
windows, but I have a lot of experience with VMware Fusion.
It's a fantastic app (considerably better than parallels desktop, which I
used from beta through 3.0, and found that vmware exceeded parallels the
moment it left beta and has only gained more of a lead), and runs windows xp
amazingly well with a puny 256mb of ram (assuming a clean install with no
antivirus and such, since I see no point in having that in a vm where I can
do a true rollback at any time). I'd say it's 90% as fast as running it
natively via boot camp for everything that doesn't rely on graphics
acceleration. For graphics accelerated things, it's getting better, but 3d
rendering and gaming are still pretty poor (usable but slow). For music,
however, I see no reason why you would see any slowdown in your VSTs.
However, I'm not sure about VSTs being usable in ableton via vmware fusion.
I'd download a demo and give it a try. If that doesn't work, from a
technology perspective it seems to me that WINE might work a lot better, so
try out a demo of the excellent (though hit-or-miss) crossover. It's a
commercially backed program that uses WINE (a tool to run windows code in os
x/linux) to run windows programs in os x a lot more seamlessly than via
VMware Fusion. The huge down side is, while there's a certainty apps will
work in virtualized windows, there's no gaurantee they'll work in crossover,
so I'd test all your favorite VSTs in it before you decide which to consider
buying.
Crossover is available at www.codeweavers.com. Disclaimer: I'm not
affiliated with either company, and I use both their products weekly.
On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 3:07 AM, Byron Howell wrote:
> Has anyone got any opinions on this software for integrating osx and
> windows?
>
> http://www.vmware.com/products/fusion/
>
> seems it would save dual booting. would this make windows vst's
> operable from the mac side in a host like Ableton?
>
> Byron
>
>
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I don't have any specific experiences using VSTs from a virtualized copy of windows, but I have a lot of experience with VMware Fusion.

It's a fantastic app (considerably better than parallels desktop, which I used from beta through 3.0, and found that vmware exceeded parallels the moment it left beta and has only gained more of a lead), and runs windows xp amazingly well with a puny 256mb of ram (assuming a clean install with no antivirus and such, since I see no point in having that in a vm where I can do a true rollback at any time). I'd say it's 90% as fast as running it natively via boot camp for everything that doesn't rely on graphics acceleration. For graphics accelerated things, it's getting better, but 3d rendering and gaming are still pretty poor (usable but slow). For music, however, I see no reason why you would see any slowdown in your VSTs.

However, I'm not sure about VSTs being usable in ableton via vmware fusion. I'd download a demo and give it a try. If that doesn't work, from a technology perspective it seems to me that WINE might work a lot better, so try out a demo of the excellent (though hit-or-miss) crossover. It's a commercially backed program that uses WINE (a tool to run windows code in os x/linux) to run windows programs in os x a lot more seamlessly than via VMware Fusion. The huge down side is, while there's a certainty apps will work in virtualized windows, there's no gaurantee they'll work in crossover, so I'd test all your favorite VSTs in it before you decide which to consider buying.

Crossover is available at www.codeweavers.com. Disclaimer: I'm not affiliated with either company, and I use both their products weekly.

seems it would save dual booting. would this make windows vst's
operable from the mac side in a host like Ableton?
Byron

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I don't have any specific experiences using VSTs from a virtualized
copy of windows, but I have a lot of experience with VMware Fusion.
It's a fantastic app (considerably better than parallels desktop,
which I used from beta through 3.0, and found that vmware exceeded
parallels the moment it left beta and has only gained more of a lead),
and runs windows xp amazingly well with a puny 256mb of ram (assuming
a clean install with no antivirus and such, since I see no point in
having that in a vm where I can do a true rollback at any time). I'd
say it's 90% as fast as running it natively via boot camp for
everything that doesn't rely on graphics acceleration. For graphics
accelerated things, it's getting better, but 3d rendering and gaming
are still pretty poor (usable but slow). For music, however, I see no
reason why you would see any slowdown in your VSTs.
However, I'm not sure about VSTs being usable in ableton via vmware
fusion. I'd download a demo and give it a try. If that doesn't work,
from a technology perspective it seems to me that WINE might work a
lot better, so try out a demo of the excellent (though hit-or-miss)
crossover. It's a commercially backed program that uses WINE (a tool
to run windows code in os x/linux) to run windows programs in os x a
lot more seamlessly than via VMware Fusion. The huge down side is,
while there's a certainty apps will work in virtualized windows,
there's no gaurantee they'll work in crossover, so I'd test all your
favorite VSTs in it before you decide which to consider buying.
Crossover is available at www.codeweavers.com. Disclaimer: I'm not
affiliated with either company, and I use both their products weekly.
>
> On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 3:07 AM, Byron Howell wrote:
>>
>> Has anyone got any opinions on this software for integrating osx and windows?
>>
>> http://www.vmware.com/products/fusion/
>>
>> seems it would save dual booting. would this make windows vst's
>> operable from the mac side in a host like Ableton?
>>
>> Byron
>>
>
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Okay ... some data points, rather than speculation:
1. iTunes can handle live audio feeds. I do this on a regular basis whenever
I perform in Second Life. Granted, I am using two computers (well, actually
three if you count the one I am using to run my Second Life client, but for
purposes of this discussion you COULD do it with one). Probably the most
straight forward way of doing this is to use iTunes and a NiceCast.
NiceCast would be your "broadcast server" that would provide a stream that
iTunes would recoginze as a "radio" station. Nicecast can be configured to
just be a "local host" (127.0.0.0) server, so you may need to do some
fiddling in telling iTunes how to find it. I'm fortunate enough to have an
old, heavily upgraded G4 Mac that I use as a separate server.
2. iTunes used, AND STILL CAN USE, G-force for visualization. You can
actually use both G-Force and White Cap from Soundspectrum as part of the
Visualizer in iTunes. Check it out. As proof, I offer my rough efforts over
on the Vimeo page: http://www.vimeo.com/groups/loopers/videos/2094796
Said video having been produced using G-force (STILL waiting to hear form
them about commercial license costs!), having initially confirmed what
things would look like using iTunes with the G-force "plug-in". (Actual
video was done with the G-force "stand alone" and Snapz Pro for the video
capture).
So there you have it.
Best,
Dennis
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 3:59 PM, Nic Roozeboom wrote:
> Always thought that iTunes used G-force for visualization - at least in
> lineage:
>
> http://www.soundspectrum.com/g-force/
>
> Nic
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 11:27 AM, Stefan Tiedje <
> stefantiedje@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> Per Boysen schrieb:
>>
>>> Andy was particularly talking about the iTunes 8 visualizer, that I
>>> showed him.
>>>
>>> STefan, are you saying you know a way how to hack iTunes 8? If so,
>>> please share! I bet many would love to apply the iTunes 8 visualizer
>>> to a live feed audio input.
>>>
>>
>> No, I just meant, if the visualizer can jump to audio in, you can feed it
>> with a cable. I don't no how to feed itunes with live audio. Though in
>> theory all necessary information to create a plug-in, should be available.
>> As itunes can also connect to internet feeds, that could also be a way,
>> create a feed and let itunes listen to it...
>>
>> Stefan
>>
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Okay ... some data points, rather than speculation:

1. iTunes can handle live audio feeds. I do this on a regular basis whenever I perform in Second Life. Granted, I am using two computers (well, actually three if you count the one I am using to run my Second Life client, but for purposes of this discussion you COULD do it with one). Probably the most straight forward way of doing this is to use iTunes and a NiceCast. NiceCast would be your "broadcast server" that would provide a stream that iTunes would recoginze as a "radio" station. Nicecast can be configured to just be a "local host" (127.0.0.0) server, so you may need to do some fiddling in telling iTunes how to find it. I'm fortunate enough to have an old, heavily upgraded G4 Mac that I use as a separate server.

2. iTunes used, AND STILL CAN USE, G-force for visualization. You can actually use both G-Force and White Cap from Soundspectrum as part of the Visualizer in iTunes. Check it out. As proof, I offer my rough efforts over on the Vimeo page: http://www.vimeo.com/groups/loopers/videos/2094796

Said video having been produced using G-force (STILL waiting to hear form them about commercial license costs!), having initially confirmed what things would look like using iTunes with the G-force "plug-in". (Actual video was done with the G-force "stand alone" and Snapz Pro for the video capture).

Andy was particularly talking about the iTunes 8 visualizer, that I showed him.

STefan, are you saying you know a way how to hack iTunes 8? If so,
please share! I bet many would love to apply the iTunes 8 visualizer
to a live feed audio input.

No, I just meant, if the visualizer can jump to audio in, you can feed it with a cable. I don't no how to feed itunes with live audio. Though in theory all necessary information to create a plug-in, should be available. As itunes can also connect to internet feeds, that could also be a way, create a feed and let itunes listen to it...

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Hi gang,
Is it possible to assign all inputs to specific ports on mobius for ex. all presonus 6 inputs into port 1 in mobius?Or do most fo you use an external mixer and then go stereo into your soundcard when looping different instruments?In testing i suppose the disadvantage of using the software mixer compared to a hardware is not being able to mute the unused channels quickly,i want to avoid at all cost having to grab that damn mouse!
cheers
Luis
www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
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> i suppose the disadvantage of using the software mixer
> compared to a hardware is not being able to mute the unused
> channels quickly,i want to avoid at all cost having to grab
> that damn mouse!
This does not directly target your initial question (but onto that: no, I
believe it is not possible), but I found that when I work with the computer,
I need some kind of non-mouse-based user interface. This could be a kind of
faderbox (and as usual, the starting point price-wise is something like a
Behringer BCR2000 or BCF2000, both of which I'm happy with), or in a first
step (if the application supports that) using your computer keyboard to do
what you're after - this is possible e.g. in Ableton Live and would work for
that specific application you're after.
Rainer
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On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 3:15 PM, L.Angulo wrote:
> Hi gang,
> Is it possible to assign all inputs to specific ports on mobius for ex. all presonus 6 inputs into port 1 in mobius?Or do most fo you use an external mixer and then go stereo into your soundcard when looping different instruments?In testing i suppose the disadvantage of using the software mixer compared to a hardware is not being able to mute the unused channels quickly,i want to avoid at all cost having to grab that damn mouse!
> cheers
> Luis
Hi Luis,
I have the same priorities as you, and I did that routing in Bidule by
dragging virtual cables from the soundgard's differnt input to the
Mobius input that equals the Selected Track in Mobius. I also use
Bidule for muting physical inputs not in use.
However, that was on Windows with the Mobius VST, but now after moving
over to use the Mobius Mac beta I have been thinking about this
related to the standalone Mobius version and I'm afraid can't see a
way to do it. I will probably keep on using Mobius standalone on Mac,
because that way my "effect rig" of choice MainStage is reliably slave
syncing to Mobius, so I too need to find a way to to lead four analog
inputs into each one of Mobius track inputs.
Maybe Mobius can be upgraded with an option in the Track Setup
Configuration window to have each track fetch inputs from many
physical inputs? (Are you reading, Jeff?)
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Per Boysen
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It appears that after the low noise modification, the LP1 has become more
sensitive to power line spikes which is what is causing the reboots. I will
look in to this and see if I can find a solution. If the screen goes blank,
hit the MENU button several times until it comes back.
As for the RM65B, I suspect that there is a ground loop. Most likely it is
a ground loop through the chassis. If you were local, I could probably
modifiy the LP1 to eliminate the ground connection through the chassis, but
since you aren't, my recommendation would be to get a set of electically
isolating mounts for the rack. I don't remember who makes them, but I have
seen them before.
I hope this helps,
Bob
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> Hi Bob,
> how are u? i made it safe in one piece,but after such an intensive looping
> week i am still getting back to nromality here!
> anyway,about the looperlative:
> the good news is that it has been behaving more reliable,it only locked up
> once as i was trying to set the xpression pedal on me so far, and the
> noise and level problems are gone!
> The bad news is that when i turn my P.A. spakers on the looperlative
> screen goes blank and i can only see the peak input nd output levels, it
> also sometimes goes into reloading the software.
> The other is that i bought a rackmount mixer, a rolls rm65b to use it in
> conjunctio with the LP
> http://www.rolls.com/product.php?pid=RM65b
> but when i connect the LP in its effects loop,it makes a static noise and
> the mixer becomes noisy and cannot use the LP at all.No problems however
> when i use the LP with my soundcraft mixer.This is strange because the
> rack mixer is new and works clean and fine with eveything else,i have no
> idea about electronics but could it be some sort of ground problem? could
> you take a look at the rolls specs and tell me what the problem might be?
> also why do u think the screen is going blank when i turn the P.A. and why
> does it reboots? this doesnt happen with my EDP or any other equipment...
> i hope i can get this sorted out,i just want to use my LP the way everbody
> does!
> thanx and i await your response
> take care
> Luis
>
> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
>
>
>
>
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