Pre-Obamacare or the AFFORDABLE Care Act, I was able to purchase on the private market, insurance with great benefits. I had a $50 deductible and my monthly payment was a little over $370 a month.
Post-Obamacare… the cheapest policy that I can purchase that meets the requirements of the law is $368 a month and has a $12,000 deductible.

I have been to the Dr. one time in the past five or six years. My total healthcare costs for the past 5 years has been less than a thousand dollars.

Pre-Obamacare or the AFFORDABLE Care Act, I was able to purchase on the private market, insurance with great benefits. I had a $50 deductible and my monthly payment was a little over $370 a month.
Post-Obamacare… the cheapest policy that I can purchase that meets the requirements of the law is $368 a month and has a $12,000 deductible.

I have been to the Dr. one time in the past five or six years. My total healthcare costs for the past 5 years has been less than a thousand dollars.

Instead of destroying something GOOD for We the People maybe you ought to show How the Insurance McCorporations, Doctor’s Guild, & Hospital McCorporations caused the health care crisis in the first place, and how THEY are now profiting from it. And look at the price of Coffee that THEY have jacked up over the years too before the ACA was created.

I want you to loan me a million dollars today, and I will gladly pay you back Tuesday for the million today, oh wait in case I cant pay you back Tueday that million, I need 2 million now, please, and I mean right now, then I can make sure I pay you 1 million back Tuesday, and if you won’t loan it to me, you have to give me $10,000.00 so I can afford to ask someone else for that Million…

Mmmmm… Government mandated coffee! Sounds delicious! Didn’t even mention the part where they start rationing the coffee once you buy it, and may even say you can’t have the coffee at all because you don’t meet their requirements, even though you’ve paid for it!

spot-freaking-on. “but how would we pay for programs you don’t want?” “Individual Shared Responsibility”. only the current administration can come up with sheep-induced, brain-washing terminology that appears to benefit all, when it doesn’t.

Don’t you all realize that before Obamacare we were all paying for the uninsured and underinsured? Hospitals don’t turn people away if they can’t pay, we all pay for them. “Individual shared responsibility”, yep, that about sums it up…

Humm, wish i could say that was amusing, but it was ignorant,at best. Some may believe its ok to not have coverage, but then the rest of us pay to care for you because you didn’t care enough to protect your self. because that guy only wanted coffee, but his coffee didn’t protect him, now we must, and who do you think pays for that cream n straw?

I agree. This might be a funny analogy but its making light of a serious situation that is 1 million times more nuanced than this. People who want a bare bones “catastrophic” insurance plan that costs very little can still buy that if they wish. And people who claim they don’t want “milk” and “sugar” are claiming they don’t want essentials like higher caps or breast cancer screenings. Simply not comparable and its saddens me to see so many people actually believe this is a valid representation of affordable healthcare.

They should have a tv show that puts everything the government does, or is pushing to do, in situations like that so even the libtards
Will se it for what it is! Maybe the brain dead voters will have a small chance to not contribute to the tyrannical un-constitutional policies of the federal government!

I do hate Obamacare, and in principle, I agree, but I’m educated about it enough to properly represent it…and here it is: The difference is that there is a big difference between someone not getting health care and someone not getting coffee. Hospitals usually don’t let someone die just because they don’t have money. So who’s on the hook for the uninsured? Well, everyone else is in terms of higher rates.

There is absolutely no difference between issues with the Open Enrollment of healthcare with my state government job as described in this video. NONE! These problems are inherent to the process and not singularly “Obamacare.” Coffee is an option in people’s lives. Healthcare is not. The analogy objectifies human life.

obummo’s plan from the get go – destroy America from within. he is the enemy we were warned about. Learned about this possibility of the destruction of the USA as we know her when I was in elementary school. It was said – the enemy lies within. But, with strong faith, religious values, morality and good ethics and prayer we can fend off this enemy. The enemy lies within our government now. And, what’s now missing from much of our society is strong faith, religious values, morality and good ethics and prayer.

obummo’s plan from the get go – destroy America from within. he is the enemy we were warned about. Learned about this possibility of the destruction of the USA as we know her when I was in elementary school. It was said – the enemy lies within. But, with strong faith, religious values, morality and good ethics and prayer we can fend off this enemy. The enemy lies within our government now. And, what’s now missing from much of our society is strong faith, religious values, morality and good ethics and prayer.

This is a great simple overview of what ACA is all about…Affordable Care Act…or what is commonly referred as OBAMA CARE. It has put me out of a job because I was one of those people who helped others make the decision as to what type of healthcare coverage fit them best. No need for me in the healthcare industry…Too experienced and knowledgeable…too independent….and told I was too old to be employed. Spent my whole working career to help people make responsible decisions only to be in a place where I can not get help for my family. Just F#CKING Amazing. Thank you OBAMA CARE

This IS a good argument, if somewhat partisan. The only people who won’t see the parallel are those who think I should be forced to buy something I may not want simply because someone else can’t afford the plan I buy. I thought we had liberty in America. It is MY money, isn’t it?

Alexander Adler, of course buying coffee and health care are not alike. You missed the point. The point is everything the government touches (that it doesn’t need to because they believe they know better) gets ridiculously complex, ridiculously expensive and is less effective than individuals deciding for themselves. It is always the case and always will be. It is the difference between Socialism and Capitalism.

Don Friar it is pointless talking to someone like Alexander Adler because he is probably someone that benefits from ignorance like this or knows someone who is benefitting from a FREE program that you and I are forced to PAY for.

In such a rich country, every citizen should have the right to be fed. It’s cheaper if everyone has access to free pizza.

We should have free, universally accessible pizza insurance. Citizens would no longer have to pay directly for pizza; in fact, it would be illegal for them to do so. All pizzas would be paid for by one government­-run insurance plan.

Ability to pay would no longer play a role in pizza consumption: so much so that the plan would not even charge premiums, instead being funded from a special tax on employers, the “rich,” or some other third parties.

If pizzas could be obtained for free, one would expect demand for them to rise almost infinitely­, and for costs to far outstrip what the special tax could finance. The government first would pump more money into the plan, subsidizing it from other taxes or the deficit. Subsidies, though, cannot increase infinitely­; governments cannot increase taxes or the deficit at will. At some point, they would have to start controlling costs, leading to closings and cutbacks.

That would also mean government making further adjustments on the supply side. Pizza chains would be forbidden to make a profit. (The government would subsidize their losses, or even open its own chain if the “free market” couldn’t meet the demand.)

Government would decide how many pizzerias to allow, and where. As the sole payer, government would decide what types of pizzas could be sold, and at what prices.

It is easy to argue that I am ignorant or that in some way I benefit for the affordable healthcare act, but the fact is that I think everyone should have the opportunity to have quality health insurance. I think many people on this site are actually paranoid isolationists who fail to realize the social contract our founders established in order for us to live as freemen in community of common citizens.

There was no “social contract”…there was the establishment of a Representative Republic that set limits on what the Federal Government could do so that we would remain free from a monarchy or any other hierarchy that would usurp our natural and innate rights and freedoms.

There certainly is a social contract; it is what gives legitimacy and authority to the representatives of our republic who create the rules and laws we must follow as a society. We have freedoms so long as we follow the established rule of law. That is the way it has been since the inception of our nation. It is a romanticized ideal to think that you can live in state with unlimited freedoms as you see fit.

The real problem is the Federal Government is exceeding the power granted to them by the U.S. Constitution. Due to a ruling by the Court the Commerce Clause of the Constitution has basically given authority never intended to be granted the Federal Government. There is a list in The Constitution specifically listing what the Federal Government is allowed to regulate and have authority over. Healthcare is not on the list.

There is no individual mandate!
Yes, read it yourself:http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/18115
H. R. 3590—142 (The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act)
SEC. 1555. FREEDOM NOT TO PARTICIPATE IN FEDERAL HEALTH INSURANCE PROGRAMS.
“No individual, company, business, nonprofit entity, or health
insurance issuer offering group or individual health insurance coverage shall be required to participate in any Federal health insurance program created under this Act (or any amendments made by this Act), or in any Federal health insurance program expanded by this Act (or any such amendments), and there shall be no penalty or fine imposed upon any such issuer for choosing not to participate in such programs.”

We have serious problems and this is nonsense. We buy ALL our coffee via Gov’t approved contracts because all coffee is foreign produced. The A.C.A. is American produced except the offshored DRUGS that the Corporations are allowed to inflate and rip everyone off . I can also remember when coffee was 10 cents a cup and like Health care the Corporations have raised it through the roof too. Solutions are maybe become a colony of England (we already are as THEY control the Federal Reserve ) and drink tea again. Other solutions would be to reign in the Med System, the Insurance McCorporations, the Doctors GUILD, and remove all the Politicians allowing a for profit system that is busting ALL of America.

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