Seargent Shultz you have not only shown yourself to be ignorant but you also have no life. Jesus brother! You literally spent hours reseraching Shannon and posting useless information in an effort to support your ignorant argument.
First, if you are trying to credit Shannon for the 2001 Canes roster than this will be my last piece of communication with you. Everyone on the planet new we would win the title in 2001 as we fielded without a diubt the most talented team in NCAA history. That was Shannon’s very first season as DC you clown! The team was built by others. He inherited it. Since then his defenses have been progressively worse every year or at least been significantly worse than the teams he inherited.
Then, you want to credit Shannon for being a coach on teams that had all americans and won bowl games? OK, so then I guess you are a Coker supporter right? Coker coached 1000 all americans was a part of 20 bowl victories and won a NC. I guess we should give Coker all the credit for the 2001 team and the 2001 NC. At least he was a part of the building process of the team.
Once again, I’m not Shannon hater. I hope he wins his bext 100 games in a row. I’m simply stating facts. To this point he has been below average at best as a Head Coach and average to above average as a recruiter. And, at the moment, we are seeing a trend which started at the close of last recruiting season til this recruiting season that shows that he is not doing a great job in the tri county area which is absolutely must own.

Posted by: True U | January 13, 2010 at 12:25 PM
how bout merriwether, beason, kenny phillips, t gooden, calais campbell… two were all amer and 3 were 1st rd picks….remember this before there was a charlie strong, muschamp, or kirby smart there was randy shannon… those guys are hot candidates now and in line for hc pozitions huh??

Posted by: True U | January 13, 2010 at 12:25 PM
but i do agree bout the failure to land the majority of the tri county area…but there culd be several factors that go into it…for example how many players does uf have leavin early at the skill pos??? i think of 3 of the dome, so elam and dorsey cud go in and play asap…and why wud a wr from the area want to go play behind the 08 class for two yrs after seeing those same guys dominate so fla hs in the previous yrs??? then how many did um actually offer??? how many had the scores to get in…there are alot of variables that go in to it…not countin the ones that want to experience life out side of so fl..just a thot

I’m a diehard canes fan, and actually attend games as I am one of the few season tix holders (sec 140 row 1). So before being called a gaytor troll, know that I’m one of the few whose earned the right to be critical because I’m one of the few whose invested time and money.
Any fellow cane fan who thinks Randy Shambles is moving things is the right direction is blind, at least as far as this recruiting class is concerned. Aside from his weird approach to dropping recruits who look at other schools like a girlfriend who looks at other dudes, the quality players are heading north.
Can we stop making excuses, please?! I’m not saying fire coach Shambles, but let’s be honest….
FACT: promising players, QBs specifically, have left the program leaving the team in a potentilly disasterous situation. Don’t use that silly “they didn’t want to compete argument”, think how silly it is to suggest that 3 QBs coincidentally arrive at the same time all feeling they deserve to play just because they can stand upright and chew gum simultaneously.
FACT: Recruiting services absolutely factor into their equations used to determine rankings such things as the needs of the team, and the linemen considered the best in the game are given 5 stars just as WRs are. So to suggest that our rankings are low just because we recruit a lot of lineman one year is very wrong and Ill informed. Our class this year is ranked lower than we like because the kids coming in are NOT the best at their position, and there Is no other reason. If we were getting 15 5 star WRs, our ranking would be low too, because WR is not a position of need. Again, we simply are getting second tier talent.
FACT: another trend that i find disturbing is the abundance of top recruits saying they didn’t choose the U because the coaches didn’t show the love like other school’s coaches. It’s tempting to brush this off and say “what does a coach need to show love for? The kid had an offer if he wanted to be q cane he’d have signed on to the U.” This logic is warped and Ill conceived. What these kids are really saying is that they weren’t made to feel welcome, and they’d rather go someplace for four years where the people made them feel at home…. I would too, and so would you. Unfortunately it appears that Randy has allowed his cold and emotionless attitude/personality to take hold. Any workplace you look at will have an environment reflective of those in charge, and young kids are turned off by his cold attitude.
FACT: a high or low recruiting ranking of a single class 3 years ago has little bearing on overall performance. Somebody posted the class rankings of Alabama and other schools from three years ago to point out that the top 5 BCS teams this year didn’t all have top 5 classes 3 years ago. Again, this is an exercise in futility because the recruiting results of several years impacts on field success, not just one. Those teams who consistsntly pull in top 10 classes also consistsntly finish in the top 10. One off anomolies aside, looking at the totality of recruiting results over a period of years will prove useful in predicting on field success. Randy is not pulling in consistant top 10 talent……
FACT: JUCO transfers are not used to determine class rankings. Look at how Saban enhances his classes with these JUCO kids and you might understand how he has won with a low ranking class of three years ago.
FACT: today’s powerhouse schos over recruit, meaning they bring in more kids than schollys they have to offer. Why? Because they pull schollys of existing players who don’t measure up therebye constantly upgrading with young talent. This also protects from losing kids who can’t qualify or committ elsewhere on signing day.
I’m a die hard cane fan, season tix holder and live and die with my canes….. I’m just tired of mediocrity, and pissed cause there is NO reason for it anymore.

I’m a die hard cane fan, season tix holder and live and die with my canes….. I’m just tired of mediocrity, and pissed cause there is NO reason for it anymore.
Posted by: CaneBrain | January 13, 2010 at 12:59 PM
One of the best posts on this blog…ever!

Thanks, CaneBrain, for keepin’ it real!
Its not the decommits I’m so concerned about. Its the NONcommits! Now we’re stocking up on projects! WHY?
Perhaps, this ship is “moving in the right direction” (albeit slowly). Then again, so was the Titanic.

What is Shannon’s response to the question of why we are losing the top talent of South Florida – our territory, the territory we are supposed to “own”? Has he been asked? If not, he should be.
Posted by: stancane | January 13, 2010 at 03:47 PM
but i do agree bout the failure to land the majority of the tri county area…but there culd be several factors that go into it…for example how many players does uf have leavin early at the skill pos??? i think of 3 of the dome, so elam and dorsey cud go in and play asap…and why wud a wr from the area want to go play behind the 08 class for two yrs after seeing those same guys dominate so fla hs in the previous yrs??? then how many did um actually offer??? how many had the scores to get in…there are alot of variables that go in to it…not countin the ones that want to experience life out side of so fl..just a thot
Posted by: Nashvillecane | January 13, 2010 at 12:54 PM
or listen to shannons intetview on joe rose show 12-16-2009… wqam.com

Anybody else see they asked Kendall Thompkins to move to CB??? doesnt make sense, I remember reading reports he was a playmaker during practices and scrimages but there only going to play 4-5 guys at WR so he hasnt seen the field…
Wonder if he’ll transfer now because I remember he took a last second visit to Nebraska before he signed with us

You guys must not be true can fans and don’t understand the talent at hand. Miami was made up of freshman and sophmores. Florida has a great recruiting class this year but I think Miamis with Jacory and company is better. Depth are you kidding me, Miami has plenty. Personally I think Randy rotates too much that is why nobody ever gets into a rhythm. Look at the Wr and RB position. Every series their would be new backs and receivers. Look at this years seniors, talk about a sorry class. Fox is good and Phillips was not from this class. Next years senior class without Cooper is getting better but the soph and freshman will have first rounders. Besides the VT game(and weather played a huge factor) Miami could of or should of won the rest. Next year Miami will have better players than Florida. Florida will be too young next year and you just don’t replace Spikes and Tebow that easily. The young canes are now turning into vets. Championship in the next two years.
Posted by: Riviera Beach | January 13, 2010 at 11:06 AM
“Depth are you kidding me, Miami has plenty”.
I am a fan, but a coach first. The OL and DL had no depth…DL had some injuries, thats part of lacking depth. The OL was average-….at best. QB, OL, DL, LB, CB, S….no real depth here. RB and WR yes. I do find that it is difficult running the ball or catching it when your QB is on his back or running for his life. Miami has some talent…but it is really at those 2 positions..you must have depth at all positions…(especially linemen…they start the process at the point of attack) to win division, conference and national titles. God must love Miami…JH was punished this year, yet we never had to go to our depth chart…what depth? (sorry AJ not your fault) we were extremely lucky…and JH is a tough kid more than given credit. When we develop depth, you will know it….we need to develop 11 solid starters on each side of the ball first.
I was at the VT game on the sideline…played there in college…it rained on both teams…the weather, crowd, cold, Hokies and fans did not affect the game as much as it itimidated the hell out of our guys….they lost that game when they got to the stadium…they were scared, got the s**t intimidated out of them then got the hell beat out of them…it happens to the best.
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right…depth…get KT to play CB….thats some depth.

What on God’s green earth does the 2001 roster have to do with anything? Randy did not recruit all those guys. Great team….then. This is now!!! 2010! If he did recruit all of them, thats great….great evidence that he’s slipping cause we sure do not have that kind of talent now…maybe ever again!! JMO

USF is interviewing Mike Leach…they are going to be the new UM….
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USF just fired a coach that is accused of absuing a player and it is your contention that USF is going to hire a relacement coach…wait for it…WHO JUST GOT FIRED FOR ABUSING A PLAYER!!!
Other than a very few on this site it is truly made up of a Confederacy of Dunces. Sadly, just like all the other BS posted on this blog, there will be some who believe your idiocy.

They are in talks with Skip Holtz right now and he really wants the job
Unless something changes with a big name coach soon
If Skip and USF agree to length and terms of the contract he very well could be the next HC there
Any team that would hire the pirate is looking for a lot of problems
Maybe a couple years down the road he might get a HC job again

Whipple may be offered the USF job…at the very least he is being seriously considered. What makes this disturbing is that damn near every college head coaching opportunity Whipple throws his hat in the ring…he may be following the Kiffin lead…one year and out!!!

There is rumor that WR Kendal Thompkins has been ask to move to CB but one of my friend go to miami and he is friend with alot of football players. He inform me Kendal Thomkins, Arthur Brown, T. Streeter are thinking about transfer out of Miami. i hope this not true but it is a possibility that this will happen. Do you think this will happen. do anyone know about this.

Anybody whose given the sports page of any local paper more than a once-over knows that the columnists at those papers are generally loathe to criticize their hometown teams, as a significant restriction of access to players, coaches and anybody else with information is more than likely to result. This is even more true when the team is that writer in question’s beat. A beat writer with no access is soon to a beat writer no more. And so when a beat writer does come out with a less than complimentary assessment of his team, people outside the loop like you and me would do well to pay attention.
Manny Navarro, the Herald’s beat writer for the U had the following to say about the state of Hurricane recruiting:http://www.miamiherald.com/qna/forum/um_sports/index.html
I mentioned before that I am not a member of the “Fire Randy” club, but I would be lying if I said this doesn’t make me seriously think about joining.
If nothing else, I hope this opens the eyes of some of those who prefer to walk blindly down the primrose path to a mediocrity so entrenched that we might as well start cheering “ACC” at the games. I bet the sound of 8000 rabid fans urgently screaming in a desperate attempt to will their team on to a possible division crown will really get the attention of Johnny 5 star!!
Again…. I’m a season ticket holder and I don’t want to see anybody fired, but that doesn’t mean what’s going on at my beloved U is OK. We don’t need to be mediocre. Not anymore.

Seargent Shultz you have not only shown yourself to be ignorant but you also have no life. Jesus brother! You literally spent hours reseraching Shannon and posting useless information in an effort to support your ignorant argument.
First, if you are trying to credit Shannon for the 2001 Canes roster than this will be my last piece of communication with you. Everyone on the planet new we would win the title in 2001 as we fielded without a diubt the most talented team in NCAA history. That was Shannon’s very first season as DC you clown! The team was built by others. He inherited it. Since then his defenses have been progressively worse every year or at least been significantly worse than the teams he inherited.
Then, you want to credit Shannon for being a coach on teams that had all americans and won bowl games? OK, so then I guess you are a Coker supporter right? Coker coached 1000 all americans was a part of 20 bowl victories and won a NC. I guess we should give Coker all the credit for the 2001 team and the 2001 NC. At least he was a part of the building process of the team.
Once again, I’m not Shannon hater. I hope he wins his bext 100 games in a row. I’m simply stating facts. To this point he has been below average at best as a Head Coach and average to above average as a recruiter. And, at the moment, we are seeing a trend which started at the close of last recruiting season til this recruiting season that shows that he is not doing a great job in the tri county area which is absolutely must own.
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True U:
First of all, there’s this newfangled thing called the internet. It was this ‘NEW’ technology that I Googled (another new technology) Randy Shannon’s Bio and cut and pasted the results on this blog. So, me “spending literally hours researching Shannon” as you claimed, was really me spending literally ‘MINUTES’ researching Coach Shannon’s history.
You are one of those people who are not real big on facts and make things up along the way to support whatever zany argument that is currently swimming around in your oblong head. As an example; you assert that “Everyone on the planet knew we would win the title in 2001 as we fielded without a doubt the most talented team in NCAA history”. Apparently CNN and Sports Illustrated did not get your memo as they ranked those Canes 4th in their pre-season polls. Florida was ranked number one in most every poll.
You also claim that Shannon inherited the 2001 team and after that his defenses became progressively worse. What makes that lie interesting to me is that I clearly posted his record in the Bio information you complained about. In other words, even after reading the ‘FACTS’ you couldn’t understand them or simply chose to lie to bolster your incoherent arguments. In 2003 Shannon’s defense was 2nd in nation and in 2005 4th in the nation. And his defenses were ranked 7th in both 2002 and 2006.
You emphasize in your latest diatribe: “I’m simply stating facts”. Here’s a thought–look up the definition of “FACT” on the internet and get back to me. To the other…The sky’s falling posters on this blog…you want Randy fired because he’s posted an improved record each year he’s been at the helm. You are also hysterical because of the players he’s recruited in recent months, players that you have no idea as to how they will perform. Many of you are the same people who predicted that Randy would start last season 0 and 4, and would be fired by mid-season. How’d that prediction work out for you?
Well, you all might soon have a great opportunity to really whine and moan as Whipple has been shopping his services harder that a hooker at a Shriners convention. Of course this too will be Randy Shannon’s fault…

Whipple may be offered the USF job…at the very least he is being seriously considered. What makes this disturbing is that damn near every college head coaching opportunity Whipple throws his hat in the ring…he may be following the Kiffin lead…one year and out!!!
Posted by: Seargent Shultz…I know nothing! | January 13, 2010 at 10:42 PM
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If the “Whip” does set sail, will U please shove off with him Shultz ?

Whipple may be offered the USF job…at the very least he is being seriously considered. What makes this disturbing is that damn near every college head coaching opportunity Whipple throws his hat in the ring…he may be following the Kiffin lead…one year and out!!!
Posted by: Seargent Shultz…I know nothing! | January 13, 2010 at 10:42 PM
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If the “Whip” does set sail, will U please shove off with him Shultz ?
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It always makes me laugh when I see that someone is so cowardly that they don’t even have the balls to post under their normal alias. Good lord, think about it, you are such a weak kneed loser, completely devoid of any manhood that it even frightens you to consistently post under one alias…truly redefining pathetic! I am truly…LAUGHING OUT LOUD…at you, a spineless little worm.

As an example; you assert that “Everyone on the planet knew we would win the title in 2001 as we fielded without a doubt the most talented team in NCAA history”
Posted by: Seargent Shultz…I know nothing! | January 14, 2010 at 04:54 AM
Seriously guy, from this moment on you are dead to me! The fact that you are even disputing that he inherited as a first year DC the most talented team in history.
The reason every Canes fan is sick to there stomach is because we had the deepest and most talented team in history just 9 years ago and we’ve manage to burn that foundation down to the ground.
If Whipple leaves to USF or elsewhere we are really screwed because he is the only reason that we were somewhat relevant this past season.

Seriously guy, from this moment on you are dead to me! The fact that you are even disputing that he inherited as a first year DC the most talented team in history.
The reason every Canes fan is sick to there stomach is because we had the deepest and most talented team in history just 9 years ago and we’ve manage to burn that foundation down to the ground.
If Whipple leaves to USF or elsewhere we are really screwed because he is the only reason that we were somewhat relevant this past season.
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Again, you just make things up to bolster any argument you make. I NEVER ONCE DISPUTED THAT THE 2001 CANES WERE NOT TALENTED! Furthermore…I did just the opposite in a previous post in which I listed most of those great names, because you stated Randy Shannon did not coach an “Army” (my word) of NFL talent. He did!
You need to get a grip and start basing your hysterical claims that the program is crashing on facts versus trying to make up things as you go along to make your arguments appear to have merit…which they don’t!