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Hawaii Governor Linda Lingle signed a law aimed a protecting bureaucrats from having to respond to floods of requests for Obama's birth certificate from a small cadre of believers, the Advertiser reports:

The new law, Act 100, allows state agencies a limited exemption from Freedom of Information requirements when duplicative requests for information are made by the same person. Although the law covers all agencies, the measure targets people who repeatedly request a copy of Obama's Hawai'i birth certificate.

The requests are being made to the state Department of Health, which keeps the birth certificates.

In testimony before the Legislature in February, DOH Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said her department receives about 50 e-mail inquiries a month for Obama's birth certificate, primarily from the same four to six people.

"The time and state resources it takes to respond to these often convoluted inquiries are considerable," she testified.

Free the original Obama birth certificate. Why is Obama paying a bunch of lawyers to keep it under wraps? What is he hiding? Is he not a natural born American? Has a Constitutional fraud been perpetrated on the American people? Why as poster above suggests does Obama have a CT social security number?

Look, I don't believe any of this ridiculousness, however, all Obama has to do is release the original birth certificate for an hour, let FOX and MSNBC and CNN send in some reporters to look at it and it would be over. So stupid already!

Posted By: Look, I don't believe any of this ridiculousness, however, all Obama has to do is release the origin | May 13, 2010 at 09:24 AM

Obama's birth certificate (not to mention the man himself) has become like one of those ink blot tests that psychiatrists give to their patients. A fairly ordinary person sees a tree, for example, where a total whack job sees ... what gets projected from the dark recesses of a twisted mind. Similarly, ordinary Americans see a guy from Hawaii whose birth certificate is easily found on the internet
(for example at http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html), but a few people see ... what their mind compels them to see.

Just a quick question-I am wondering what my chances of employment are when applying for a government job if instead of providing a legal birth certificate and completing a background security check (of friends,my passport,college diploma,course writings,etc.etc.),if I simply write an order stating that the above mentioned is now sealed and cannot be attained? I can have it legally notarized if that will make it any more important looking. I'd say my odds are pretty damn slim of employment with the government in that scenario. As a soldier, when I had to get a security clearance years ago to drive around a Colonel- I had to fill out the equivalent of a college tome of paperwork for a high level security clearance. I can assure you there was no "if you so desire" about it.For the CoC of our country to pen his own executive order FIRST THING after he was sworn into office is HIGHLY suspicious and one can only conclude he has something to hide by his actions. It is really very simple to stop the gossip and conjecture-release your records. If you have done nothing to be ashamed of-hold your writings and legal documents up for the world to see and admire. To shroud them in secrecy only assures that they WILL come to light at some point in the not too distant future. It is human nature to covet that which is off limits. It is only a matter of time before things start surfacing. Obama should get ahead of the game now and save face before the damage is done even further.

Put your birth certificate out in the open. Where you come from? Are you an offical? You calling everyone a lier like your mammy!! Where I am from NOONE, I MEANT NO ONE ARE ALLOWED YOUR PERSONAL INFRO EXCEPT YOUR MOTHER IN SOME CASES POLICE,FBI AND CIA!

Looks like Hawaii is missing an opportunity to actually create a job. Probably could pay them with the funds you save by NOT passing this rediculous bill. Release the information and be done with this BS. I think its bunk as well but the more and more I hear denials and refusals the more suspicious I become.

Only 8 comments, and lots of conspiracy theory insinuations that need to be dispelled:
1) Obama is a American citizen and has proven it to the satisfaction of the State of HI whee he was born and the US Federal govt. Case closed.
2) Obama didn't "pay a bunch of lawyers" - the bill was introduced by a Hawaii state senator
3) Social security #'s
AREN'T issued based on an applicant's residence but on the zip code of where the application was filed. All our birther wannabe-Sherlock Homes should take a look at the ssa.gov website.
4) Obama doesn't have to "release" anything. Hawaii Health Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino has certified his birth certificate as legit.
5) The "waste at taxpayer expense" is processing the 10+ requests a week the state govt of Hawaii from birther wingnuts who demand "proof" of Obama's citizenship

Cressbeckler here. I don't hold with book learning none, but I know when my lumbago acts up something fierce that an imposter is in the White House, with a phony birth certificate to boot! It makes me mad enough to spit when I think about how Obama wants to take away my freedoms -- like my right to sell wood alcohol as a beverage to unsuspecting city slickers! Luckily, most of the baggers who post here on this blog have taken a liking to my liquor -- so you see, it's not just rage that blinds them!

I have a solution. Make elected officials carry around their birth certs at all times. If a police officer sees someone acting like a politician ( kissing babies, making unrealistic promises etc ) they can stop them and request to see their birth cert. If they can't produce it they will be immediately impeached.

"I'm sure there's a reasonable explanation, but do we know yet why Obama was issued a Connecticut social security number?"
Want to immediately alert your audience that you are a fool with no concern for the truth? Reference an article or claim from WorldNetDaily.
Bugs Bunny has more credibility. This is the same organization that still pushes the fake kenyan birth certificate even though the person who made the document admitted it was a prank!

Obama could put to rest this issue. However, he will not, he will continue to spend money to keep his certificate sealed from all enquiring minds who just want to know what exactly it is he is hiding. What is so worth hiding that one has to spend millions of dollars!? Makes you wonder. Could it be for reasons as to who is his real birth father… Frank Marshal Davis?? His place of Birth… Kenya?? Whatever the case, he clearly is hiding something.

Posted By: Obama could put to rest this issue. However, he will not, he will continue to spend money to keep hi | May 13, 2010 at 11:32 AM

Yes, the problem with most of these comments is that they do exactly what these people seem to have as the core of their complaints - they accept unverified, unproven statements as unassailable fact.
There is no proof that the President used some other guy's SSN from CT - there are only allegations, that these people accept as fact without question or requiring they same kind of backup information they require on the birth certificate.
There is no proof that the President has spent millions of dollars fighting the efforts to obtain a different document than the official HI Certificate he did produce - these people simply find the total amount of campaign funds spent on lawyers, note that one of the same firms represented the President in a birther suit, and conclude that ALL of this money is being used to fight birther suits. And the claims that it would "all be over" if he would just provide a long form are demonstrably false - a sizable percentage of birthers don't even need a birth certificate to make their case, as they contend that EVEN IF the President was born in Hawaii, he isn't a natural-born citizen because his father was Kenyan. Under this theory, the BC is irrelevant.
And, oddly, those who cry about the President 'hiding' this information have never, ever asked to verify the birth circumstances of any prior President. Nor do they have any evidence that an official state document stating that the prior President was born in that state was ever rejected as 'not good enough.'
I'd love to see the President's press team stomp on these conspiracy lunatics, but it wouldn't matter. If he gave them a BC, they'd say it was a forgery, just as they have with the one that has been publicly released. If they couldn't find some internet-sleuth to opine loudly and in declarative fashion that the document was a fake - an unlikely circumstance, they'd say he still isn't an NBC because of his father.
Now, maybe, if they'd agree to publicly retract all the vile slurs, to stop this nonsense, stop calling him the usurper or the kenyan or the resident or all those juvenile terms, and start acting like grownups and help fix this country's messes if they could just get a peek at the long form, well then it might be a good idea. Otherwise, trying to placate this crowd is nothing more than feeding trolls.

Considering his background, I can't really fault Obama for being nervous about exactly who he is and where he was born. Seems like half of America never met their father. In his mothers case, itg sounds like she was really a tramp.

The document Obama provided was a CERTIFICATION of Live Birth and not a CERTIFICATE of Live Birth. There is a difference. What Obama produced was a document that basically proves he exists. Yet he has called it his “Official” Birth Certificate and this simply is not true. He hasn’t produced his actual birth certificate… which provides specific information of his birth...if anyone has ever looked at their actual Birth Certificate than you would see the big difference between what Obama has produced and what an actual Birth Certificate looks like. The information contained would put to rest this issue. It has alot of information such as he was born of a father and mother in the United States and that his parents were BOTH US Citizens...but we all know of the fact that Obama’s father was NOT a United States Citizen. The bottom line is the CERTIFICATION Obama produced does not suffice in meeting the Constitution requirement for proof of “natural born citizenship.” He needs to show us an actual Birth Certificate...HIS actual Birth Certificate.

Posted By: The document Obama provided was a CERTIFICATION of Live Birth and not a CERTIFICATE of Live Birth. T | May 13, 2010 at 12:54 PM

lol, who knew this post would bring out the crazies? everyone. His birth certificate has been online for over 2 years. Here it is: http://www.fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate. That is the same type of birth certificate given to every single person in Hawaii when they ask for a copy.

The main problem is that the State of Hawai'i no longer issues the "long form" birth certificate as a matter of policy. There is no way to request a certified copy of the original document. There are some versions floating around that were certified photocopies of the original typed birth certificates, but they were obviously issued before Hawai'i changed its procedures.
The document that was released by the Obama campaign in 2008 is considered a valid birth certificate for any court proceeding or for the State Dept to issue a new passport.
They do keep the original documents filed somewhere, but I don't even think Obama would be allowed to see it. Their state health director has issued press releases stating that she's seen it and is satisfied that Obama was born in Honolulu.

Re: Certificate / Certification
First, there is no legal distinction between these titles. None.
Second, the "long form" or the hospital BC is not the official state form. The COLB is the official state form.
I have a long form, for myself. It is not a certified government document. Every time I request a certified BC, what do I get? Yep, a 'certification' with no information on doctor, hospital, etc.
So crying about the long form is basically looking at the official document and saying "nope, not good enough - I need to see the unofficial document before I believe."

Instead of Hawaii enacting the "don't bother us, we can't cope" law, the US should have adopted a zero tolerance, show us your birth certificate or you do not run law.
To date the president has refused to both show his birth certificate and also to explain how he got to Pakistan in 1981 when those with US birth certificates could not get Visas to travel there.

"Considering his background, I can't really fault Obama for being nervous about exactly who he is and where he was born. Seems like half of America never met their father. In his mother's case, itg sounds like she was really a tramp"

Every state/county/jurisdiction has a different procedure for certified copies of legal documents. The certified copy of our marriage license is actually a photocopy of the original marriage license form that was signed by us, the officiant, and the witnesses. It was copied onto a special piece of paper with special bordering, which was then embossed with the county seal, stamped with the county clerk's stamp, and signed by the clerk issuing it. I guess this is sort of what some people are asking for - that an original copy of the birth certificate is photocopied and the result certified by the state registrar. Well guess what? Hawai'i doesn't do that any more for birth certificates. Every record is entered into an electronic database now with older original forms filed away in a state records office. This is the way they do it, and no amount of complaining is going to get them to do it any different. The State of Hawai'i simply won't release it even if Obama showed up in person and asked to see it.

Here's a way to handle these conspiracy theory far right radicals. The first request would be free, the second would be $l00, the third would be $500, the fourth would be $1000, and so on. Why should the rest of us taxpayers pay for insanity that invades the far right??!!

Posted By: Here's a way to handle these conspiracy theory far right radicals. The first request would be free, | May 13, 2010 at 05:40 PM

As a research historian and genealogist since 1954 who has worked on and written on Hawaiian government documents, history, and birth, death, and marriage documents since the 1960s with one award attached to my research, I'll say it, THE BIRTHERS ARE CRAZY. The Certificate of Living Birth IS AN OFFICIAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE, the same as mine from Florida IS A BIRTH CERTIFICATE. The calls by this loon lawyer on CNN's 360 (a channel I do NOT approve of generally as a conservative) for "disclosing the actual certificate" is a play on words that is devoid of reality. When you are born there used to be, and sometimes is, a Birth Certificate issued to a parent, one entered into the records, and once the one your mother or father has is lost or wasn't issued they issue a copy, yes, an abstract with details varing from state to state and what you ask for, and THAT IS THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE.

sunshine is the best disinfectant! What have a special law to keep the information away from the people. If there is nothing to hide, then there is nothing to protect. This law will only assure the continous claim of BHO being a non-US citizen. Just let the sun shines on the paper, and let the people find out the truth once and for all...the people can handle the truth!!

Its funny how the whole climategate event happened because of this very reason....
"Facts" were presented... Someone said hey these numbers don't match up I'm going to get the raw data through a FOIA request...
CRU said we can't release this stuff blah blah blah.
Another FOIA saying yes you can.
CRU responded saying we don't like you asking questions and you have no right to public documents...
Docs get released, turns out they had a huge reason to hide the info and it was illegal to hide the info... they in fact use the same excuse hawaii is using claiming they were "abused" by the massive amount of FOIA requests...
Someone then filed an FOIA request about how many FOIA request CRU got before climategate... was a total of something like 12 request over 10 years... yeah they were being "abused" by the FOIA system alright.
This is the same joke response CRU gave.
Hawaii refuses to release any info unless forced to. They play games where they only release exactly as they define it, info that was requested in the FOIA. Then the FOIA asks for more info... they once again release basically nothing... and again and again... then they claim "o were being piled on with FOIA requests and we can't handle it"... total BS.
The only reason they are getting massive amounts of FOIA request is because they refuse to release any info without fighting tooth and nail... which requires a lot of effort on their part to "interpret" the law to give out the least amount of info in the most confusing manner.
If they want to stop the FOIA requests start a fricking web site with all the info and release everything their legally required to do.
They won't do that those because that would cause huge problems for them...
A classic of this the statement by Health Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino saying obama is a natural born citizen.
This statement can be taken 2 ways.
1. Its a personal statement of opinion by Fukino.
Or as many ppl suggest
2. Its an official statement from Hawaii.
Right now legally its option number 1.
Why is this? The reason is because Fukino has no legal standing to define a natural born citizen nor make a legal judgment about the topic at all. Shes not a lawyer or in any position to make legal statements.
She would need to consult with Hawaii's DA about obama's legal status. The DA would be required to research it and make a legal ruling on the topic. Based in that research and document what this legal ruling is based on.(IE past cases, case law, legal writings, etc.)
This legal ruling is to be put on public record... just like any legal ruling for any law, record, etc.
The problem is after a number of FOIA requests the DA/Hawaii/Fukino have either said "their is no such ruling" or "were not giving you the details on the ruling".
This is called SECRET LAW and anyone with half a brain should be scared to death that a law/ruling/judgment can be passed and then locked away so the public can't even read it...
This means that no one can make challenges to law/ruling/etc because you don't even know what it says. You also can't defend yourself in a court of law after being arrested for breaking this law because you didn't even know it existed and your not allowed to read it.
The bottom line is Hawaii is being insanely shifty on this topic... a supposedly non-issue topic...
Now Hawaii passes a law that they are too busy to do their fricking job because their to busy slacking off... Hopefully the law will be struck down in court.

The more telling information would be on his Illinois Bar character and fitness application. The application is about 36 pages long and asks lots of personal questions.
It may also explain why Obama's bar admission was delayed. Normally, everyone who passes the bar exam is sworn in on the same day at several locations across the state. Obama, however, wasn't sworn in until a month later.
Was there something on his character and fitness application that warranted closer scrutiny? Nobody knows the answer to this puzzle.

If they would answer the Request the First time, there would be no need for the 2nd time.
Friends, get them where it hurts; dont buy from Hawaii,buy your pineapples from florida....lol
and dont go there on vacation as long as they have this law. they are breaking the law; why does not the justice department get them for not sending info requested? horrible republican.

If they would answer the Request the First time, there would be no need for the 2nd time.
Friends, get them where it hurts; dont buy from Hawaii,buy your pineapples from florida....lol
and dont go there on vacation as long as they have this law. they are breaking the law; why does not the justice department get them for not sending info requested? horrible republican.

The nazis are coming after Obama. Forget Obama. he was elected. His mother and grandparents are american born citizens. His dad from kenya. A lot of marriages loike them in the U.S. Stop the hatred. Our enemy is Bin-Laden.

Posted By: The nazis are coming after Obama. Forget Obama. he was elected. His mother and grandparents are amer | May 13, 2010 at 09:43 PM

I know and you know that I am not one of the 4 repetitive persons who have written. I am more about Constitutional rights and freedom. So let me get this straight, if you want to ban people the right to question authority or question the truth of a public figure, you feel justified to pass a law to ignore citizens and their requests?
This is serious.

Marlena, This is serious too, how the hell did you birthers ever survive before Obama? When people ask what is wrong with our country today all you have to do is take a look at the far right radicals and their crazy conspiracy theories. They are led like blind sheep when the facts are right in front of their faces, but yet they refuse to accept the truth. I will suggest the 2 best fact-checking websites for you to get the truth, one is Politifact.com and the other is Factcheck.org. I suggest that you get your information from them rather than your far right radical friends!!

Posted By: Marlena, This is serious too, how the hell did you birthers ever survive before Obama? When people | May 14, 2010 at 12:52 AM

I just looked at Obama's Certification of Live Birth on line and it actually contains more information than my own "Certification of Birth" (which I successfully used to get a passport). Neither my parents names or races nor my time of birth appear on my document. Oh, and no hospital name or doctor who delivered me either. I guess this means I was born in Kenya. And here my dad used to tell me how high the snow was in the driveway when I was born. What a kidder.

Dear "Marlena, This is serious too, how the hell did you birthers ever survive before Obama? When people | "
If you think factcheck.org is a good factchecking site you have been eating propaganda by the dump truck full...

These birthers are requesting information that they have no statutory authority to request. Birth certificates in Hawai'i are not considered public records. Despite that, the Obama campaign has a copy of the Certification of Live Birth that is legal as a birth certificate for any legal purpose in this country, including proof of age/birth/citizenship in any court proceeding, or for any citizenship purpose including obtaining a new US passport. They've got laws informing what information is needed for birth certificates, as well as laws protecting the information from disclosure.
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0011.htm
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0018.htm