Re: [SOLVED] Using awesome wm without a mouse?

Naturally, I want to extend this to my window manager. So, is there any way to really use awesome without a keyboard? For instance, accessing the tray icons...

I'd be very appreciative of any keyboard shortcuts relevant to this, or if awesome doesn't support this all that well, a list of some other window managers that do would be much appreciated.

I think you mean "use awesome without a mouse," right? The keybindings are all in rc.lua, and you can define your own. Awesome is designed to be used without a mouse (although, I'm a right-click kind of guy myself). Or:

Re: [SOLVED] Using awesome wm without a mouse?

Naturally, I want to extend this to my window manager. So, is there any way to really use awesome without a keyboard? For instance, accessing the tray icons...

I'd be very appreciative of any keyboard shortcuts relevant to this, or if awesome doesn't support this all that well, a list of some other window managers that do would be much appreciated.

I think you mean "use awesome without a mouse," right? The keybindings are all in rc.lua, and you can define your own. Awesome is designed to be used without a mouse (although, I'm a right-click kind of guy myself). Or:

Re: [SOLVED] Using awesome wm without a mouse?

You need to specify what 'use' means in your case. Most of us (a generalized 'us' referring to tiling wm users) hardly see the need for accessing tray icons, for example (I only need to do so for dropbox if I have to set its proxy settings, for example, and even that is probably scriptable), but you seem to. I don't think any of the tiling wms has built-in support for that specifically. Check out iocane (or whatever its name is) in community contributions.

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Re: [SOLVED] Using awesome wm without a mouse?

ngoonee wrote:

You need to specify what 'use' means in your case. Most of us (a generalized 'us' referring to tiling wm users) hardly see the need for accessing tray icons, for example (I only need to do so for dropbox if I have to set its proxy settings, for example, and even that is probably scriptable), but you seem to. I don't think any of the tiling wms has built-in support for that specifically. Check out iocane (or whatever its name is) in community contributions.

Pidgin, Spotify, Transmission (admittently all programs that I'll try to get rid of sooner or later) minimize to tray icon. So if I want to see my Pidgin buddy list I have to click on the tray icon.

Re: [SOLVED] Using awesome wm without a mouse?

I rather enjoy i3. The i3bar actually has a tray (that I don't use). I have ratpoison set up as well, and I use it from time to time. Also, I have dwm, but I am no dwm abuser like jasonwryan.

Learn how to use a tiling window manager correctly and you will see your mouse use decrease dramatically. I think you are probably too tempted by the floating capabilities of awesome. Use ratpoison for a week or two and you'll understand what a tiling window manager is all about.

Re: [SOLVED] Using awesome wm without a mouse?

ngoonee wrote:

Check out iocane (or whatever its name is) in community contributions.

Wow, thanks for the bump. I don't know if iocane would really suit the OP's goals in it's current form. But this does inspire a new idea. I wonder how hard it would be to get all the information about the system tray items and make iocane actions for them. There are EWMH hints for this ... I'll look into these and post any progress on the iocane thread.

Re: [SOLVED] Using awesome wm without a mouse?

I rather enjoy i3. The i3bar actually has a tray (that I don't use). I have ratpoison set up as well, and I use it from time to time. Also, I have dwm, but I am no dwm abuser like jasonwryan.

Learn how to use a tiling window manager correctly and you will see your mouse use decrease dramatically. I think you are probably too tempted by the floating capabilities of awesome. Use ratpoison for a week or two and you'll understand what a tiling window manager is all about.

I use awesome and never use a mouse/floating option. Between pentadactyl, ncmpcpp, dropbox cli, and irssi with bitlebee I have no need. I know the 'overall' feeling towards Awesome but its a good as you make it just like most tilers(though I've only used the one)

Edit: I am not trying to argue, just saying I think Awesome is a good as place as any to start.

Re: [SOLVED] Using awesome wm without a mouse?

Trilby wrote:

ngoonee wrote:

Check out iocane (or whatever its name is) in community contributions.

Wow, thanks for the bump. I don't know if iocane would really suit the OP's goals in it's current form. But this does inspire a new idea. I wonder how hard it would be to get all the information about the system tray items and make iocane actions for them. There are EWMH hints for this ... I'll look into these and post any progress on the iocane thread.

You're welcome, the project looks awesome (have not tried it due to time constraints though) and well thought out.

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Re: [SOLVED] Using awesome wm without a mouse?

I rather enjoy i3. The i3bar actually has a tray (that I don't use). I have ratpoison set up as well, and I use it from time to time. Also, I have dwm, but I am no dwm abuser like jasonwryan.

Learn how to use a tiling window manager correctly and you will see your mouse use decrease dramatically. I think you are probably too tempted by the floating capabilities of awesome. Use ratpoison for a week or two and you'll understand what a tiling window manager is all about.

I use awesome and never use a mouse/floating option. Between pentadactyl, ncmpcpp, dropbox cli, and irssi with bitlebee I have no need. I know the 'overall' feeling towards Awesome but its a good as you make it just like most tilers(though I've only used the one)

Edit: I am not trying to argue, just saying I think Awesome is a good as place as any to start.

I am not saying that awesome isn't... well... awesome. I am just implying that the OP is probably sontinuing to use the mouse because of the availability of the floating capabilities. This the suggestion to try ratpoison for a minute, and be forced into using tiling. You probably noticed that I mentioned I am an i3 and dwm user as well. Both of these have floating window funtionality too, so I certainly don't think it is a bad thing.

Re: [SOLVED] Using awesome wm without a mouse?

Thanks for all the suggestions!

You're probably right in that I'm abusing the mouse (thought it doesn't seem like it to me, since I'm used it from extensive Windows use - my brain is damaged). I'll definitely give these other window managers a chance when I have more time. dwm seems particularly inticing to me - I'm really amazed by the "configuration by changing source" idea.

Re: [SOLVED] Using awesome wm without a mouse?

I rather enjoy i3. The i3bar actually has a tray (that I don't use). I have ratpoison set up as well, and I use it from time to time. Also, I have dwm, but I am no dwm abuser like jasonwryan.

Learn how to use a tiling window manager correctly and you will see your mouse use decrease dramatically. I think you are probably too tempted by the floating capabilities of awesome. Use ratpoison for a week or two and you'll understand what a tiling window manager is all about.

I use awesome and never use a mouse/floating option. Between pentadactyl, ncmpcpp, dropbox cli, and irssi with bitlebee I have no need. I know the 'overall' feeling towards Awesome but its a good as you make it just like most tilers(though I've only used the one)

Edit: I am not trying to argue, just saying I think Awesome is a good as place as any to start.

I am not saying that awesome isn't... well... awesome. I am just implying that the OP is probably sontinuing to use the mouse because of the availability of the floating capabilities. This the suggestion to try ratpoison for a minute, and be forced into using tiling. You probably noticed that I mentioned I am an i3 and dwm user as well. Both of these have floating window funtionality too, so I certainly don't think it is a bad thing.

Re: [SOLVED] Using awesome wm without a mouse?

If your question is pretty much solved please do a favour to the forum's cleanliness and mark it solved.

Whef wrote:

Thanks for all the suggestions!

You're probably right in that I'm abusing the mouse (thought it doesn't seem like it to me, since I'm used it from extensive Windows use - my brain is damaged). I'll definitely give these other window managers a chance when I have more time. dwm seems particularly inticing to me - I'm really amazed by the "configuration by changing source" idea.

Otherwise known as 'recompiling all the time while tweaking'

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Re: [SOLVED] Using awesome wm without a mouse?

ngoonee wrote:

If your question is pretty much solved please do a favour to the forum's cleanliness and mark it solved.

Whef wrote:

Thanks for all the suggestions!

You're probably right in that I'm abusing the mouse (thought it doesn't seem like it to me, since I'm used it from extensive Windows use - my brain is damaged). I'll definitely give these other window managers a chance when I have more time. dwm seems particularly inticing to me - I'm really amazed by the "configuration by changing source" idea.

Otherwise known as 'recompiling all the time while tweaking'

Right, forgot about that! Thanks for reminding me.

Also, the thing I'm amazed with is how much sense it makes (from a programmers perspective), and the fact that nobody else has done it before (edit: that I know of. ). It both forces upstream to keep their code clean, and the users of the software to really understand what's going on with the program. Definitely looking forward to trying that out.

Re: [SOLVED] Using awesome wm without a mouse?

Whef wrote:

... the fact that nobody else has done it before (edit: that I know of. ).

? You don't get out much (in the open source world) do you ?

I don't know if the suckless team was one of the first to take this approach - perhaps, they have certainly established a useful coding style / template for many others. But it has become very common in open source projects.

Re: [SOLVED] Using awesome wm without a mouse?

Whef wrote:

It both forces upstream to keep their code clean, and the users of the software to really understand what's going on with the program. Definitely looking forward to trying that out.

It does? I don't need to know C to grab and apply patch off a website (like suckless' own) or to edit config.h to change my keybinds or client rules. Of course, writing my own patches would require such knowledge, but that's hardly unique to dwm (see: my minimal-knowledge remove-separator kludge for i3bar, people writing new awesomewm functions or layouts in Lua, etc).

Re: [SOLVED] Using awesome wm without a mouse?

Trilby wrote:

Whef wrote:

... the fact that nobody else has done it before (edit: that I know of. ).

? You don't get out much (in the open source world) do you ?

I don't know if the suckless team was one of the first to take this approach - perhaps, they have certainly established a useful coding style / template for many others. But it has become very common in open source projects.

It both forces upstream to keep their code clean, and the users of the software to really understand what's going on with the program. Definitely looking forward to trying that out.

It does? I don't need to know C to grab and apply patch off a website (like suckless' own) or to edit config.h to change my keybinds or client rules. Of course, writing my own patches would require such knowledge, but that's hardly unique to dwm (see: my minimal-knowledge remove-separator kludge for i3bar, people writing new awesomewm functions or layouts in Lua, etc).

Well, the way they phrased it on the website ...

dwm.suckless.org wrote:

You don’t have to learn Lua/sh/ruby or some weird configuration file format (like X resource files), beside C, to customize it for your needs: you only have to learn C (at least in order to edit the header file).