I can tell you have reading comprehension issues. I never said they were shocked or made any mention of her reaction, bud. I included it because I wanted to highlight that it was a forced issue. They have no say as to whether or not they'll have the day off. IN MY OPINION, that blows, BUT I continued on in my initial post saying that I understand it is somewhat expected at retail stores so it will be up to the employees to deal with their situation as they see fit.

How is this not an attempt to one up each other? Two years ago Wal-Mart opened at midnight, last year they opened at 10 PM and this year they're opening at 8 PM with Target following suit and opening at 9 PM.

So they aren't shocked, who cares. The point is that of all people, those who sign up to work over night at a retail store have absolutely nothing to say here. You clearly gave that story because they are forced to work the holiday as if that is something unexpected or unjust. Why should overnight workers have any say in whether or not they work overnight on one of the stores busiest days?

By definition an attempt to one up other retailers would be them opening at the same time or earlier. They knew when the competition was opening but they at least delayed it an hour.

People better support the little guy (I do) because when all of the little guys are gone, wally world will set the prices where they want.

Exactly.

1) most of their products are bought from China
2) the quality of their products is crap and that's why they are cheap
3) most of their full time employees have to be on government assistance
4) the cost of their products close the doors of the places that well products that are still made in the USA

I could probably go on and list 20 more, but I don't want to derail the original thread with shit that's been beaten to death in other threads..

Who advocates for that? When did movie theater holiday openings become normal?

Movie theaters have been opened holidays as long as I can remember yet people don't complain about that. Unless a person has advocated for them, they have no room to complain about the retail companies opening early here.

If they don't have to be to the store until 7 or 8pm, they need to and go to work. I was under the impression that they would have to be there much earlier.

Here is my question, though.

Does the store manager have to be there at the same time as the average Joe workers? I'm not talking about dept managers or mid level guys...does the store manager have to work that night?

Store managers, to my understanding, don't get very many holidays off at all. They're there all the time.

And I think that's a pretty insensitive position to say that any worker who complains about working at 7 or 8 pm ON THANKSGIVING is suddenly forced to work those hours. I don't work in retail. I am thankful that I can eat a heavy dinner at a reasonable hour and get ****ed up on wine and booze with my family and friends.