Oh, the Hours I Spent Inside the Coliseum

By Phil Hecken, on July 31st, 2009

by Phil Hecken and Jim Vilk

I’m joined this fine Friday by DIYer and memorabilia collector Jim Vilk, who’s about to regale us with a fascinating story of his days working at the Richfield Coliseum, the Coliseum’s subsequent demise, and the trove of treasure Jim and his brother were able to secure in the hours prior the wrecking ball felling that once-proud structure. Fittingly, with Paul visiting The Mistake By The Lake The Forest City this weekend, Jim will take us inside (literally) the Coliseum and, after a quick history lesson, show us some of the things left behind, for the taking.

* * … Train wheels runnin’ through the back of my memory … * *

So, then, with that brief intro, here’s Jim:

With Paul coming to Cleveland this week, I did some math and realized he is here during a milestone year in Northeast Ohio sports history. The upcoming 2009-10 NBA season will be the 40th for the Cleveland Cavaliers. The year 2009 also marks 15 years of Cavs basketball at Quicken Loans Arena, or “The Q” (formerly Gund Arena) and 15 years of Indians baseball at Progressive Field (formerly Jacobs Field, or “The Jake,” as some of us still call it). Not only that, but 2009 marks 10 years of the new and not-so-improved Browns playing football at Cleveland Browns Stadium. The Browns’ last title was 45 years ago, but it wasn’t the city’s last. The Cleveland Crunch won the National Professional Soccer League title 15 years ago at Cleveland State’s Convocation Center. Take what you can get C-town, it counts.

That’s nice, I suppose. I’m a Pittsburgh fan, though, so most of it means bubkes to me. I do like the Cavs, but not nearly as much as I did when they spent 20 years playing ball amidst the serene, pastoral landscape of Richfield, far from the bright lights of the big city. Nestled in northern Summit County, the Richfield Coliseum was located almost halfway between Cleveland and the Akron-Canton area. I say “was,” because it’s been 10 years since they tore it down — but not before my brother Tom and I got a lot of great memorabilia.

The milestones continue. It’s been 35 years since the building opened with a Frank Sinatra concert, 30 years since Sports Illustrated said, “No arena was more beautiful than The Coliseum, a magnificent structure in Richfield, Ohio,” 20 years since “The Shot” by Michael Jordan and 15 years since the place closed with a Roger Daltrey concert. In between were many more concerts, truck pulls and rodeos, circuses and ice shows, boxing and wrestling matches, hockey and arena football games, some great indoor soccer (as we talked about recently) and of course, the good, bad and ugly years of the Cleveland Cavaliers.

Tom and I worked as vendors there, and even shared a souvenir stand for a few years. He started a year after the building opened, so he was there for “The Miracle of Richfield.” I officially started in 1983. Unofficially, I got to work the 1981 NBA All-Star Game, which was cool. Tom stayed at the Coliseum all the way to the end, and even works at “The Q” to this day. I quit in 1992 to get on with my life’s work, but asked to come back in 1994 to work the Cavs’ playoff run. I lost my seniority but gladly sold soda in the seats for the final games.

When the building closed it sat for five years while they figured out what to do with it. There was talk of it becoming an outlet mall, a prison, a workout facility, you name it. Finally, the Gund brothers sold it and the surrounding land to what is now the Cuyahoga Valley National Park. They didn’t implode the building. Rather, they gutted the interior, then took a wrecking ball to the exterior.

A day before the wreckers came, my brother got a call. We knew one of the guys doing the interior work, and he said we could come in and take anything we could fit into our vehicles. Everything that was left would be buried on site. Tom hopped in his pickup and I got in my station wagon (if that’s what you want to call a Saturn SW1). When we got there, it took a few minutes to get over seeing the gutted remains. Memories came back and flooded our minds. Once we started finding things, though, our reaction quickly turned to joy; we were like kids on Christmas morning.

The first items we found (by the way, the items you’ve seen so far are things Tom and I bought or received as giveaways) were in the employee locker rooms. We took two types of patches from the ushers’ and security guards’ uniforms. I liked the ushers’ patches, which were issued when the Coliseum was ten years old. The blue and gray depiction of the building was a definite alternative to the simple blue-and-green patch. Both were good in their own way, though.

Next, we snagged some warm and toasty dark blue coats the parking lot attendants wore. I wore mine as my winter coat for a few years before I had to retire it. The simple design made it go with almost anything. The big white Coliseum logo on the back sure started a lot of conversations in public. I lost count how many times strangers started reminiscing with me when they saw it. Then we found a brown coat worn by the ticket takers. The brown welcome patch harkened back to the original logo.

Speaking of uniforms, the vendors had a few nice ones. Unfortunately, I don’t have those anymore. The only one I still have is the ugliest of the set — a red-and-green-striped bowling shirt with a horizontal strip of black thrown in for bad measure. We had a cool yellow polo shirt before that and a nice blue-white-and-orange rugby shirt afterward, but those are gone for some reason. Tom still has his rugby shirt, though.

* * … Ancient footprints are everywhere … * *

Anyway, on to the good stuff. We went out to the arena floor and grabbed a few sections of floor seats. My set actually gets some use in our basement. Tom has the rest tucked away in the bowels of his home. Then, we headed to a storage area, where we found a giant NBA logo and some floor stickers for the playoffs. We almost left the room, until we saw some rolled up fabric. Good thing we were curious, because we ended up finding the banner for the scorers table, as well as the banner for the Cavaliers’ 75-76 division title.

After that, we went up to the main concourse and stopped at our old location between sections 208 and 209. Tom grabbed the sign for it, while I took the “Drive Safely” sign above the exit. I like to keep it in my garage as a reminder to, you know, drive safely.

Finally, we headed up to the infamous loge area. The Coliseum was one of the first arenas to have a set of luxury boxes. Problem is, they put them way at the top of the building. That turned out to be the reason for the building’s early demise — the corporate types ended up with the worst view of the game. Whatever. We didn’t find much up there, until we got to a meeting room which contained a scale model of “The Q.” Well, if it was a full scale model, someone got to it before us and dismantled it. We found almost half of the seating area, which makes it kind of worthless. That didn’t matter to my brother, who never met a piece of memorabilia he didn’t like. Actually, with a little creativity some DIYer could turn it into a retro-looking baseball stadium. (Ah, if I had the time…)

By this time, our vehicles were filled beyond capacity. We left the building for the absolute last time, and I saluted as I drove out of the parking lot. It wasn’t the last time I’ve been on the site, however. The national park was just going to let trees grow naturally, but someone noticed birds were starting to use the land as a migratory pit stop. Now they keep the area trimmed for birds and bird watchers alike. You can walk around there, but the ground settled where the arena was, so that’s fenced off for safety. The small threat of poison ivy was enough to keep me from venturing around … until this past winter. We had lots of snow, so I put on my big rubber boots and hiked from the road to the fence (quite a feat in shin-deep snow over tall grass). I got to the approximate area outside of sections 208-209, noticed the calm around me, then closed my eyes and listened for the distant echoes of cheering fans. I think I heard a few — if nothing else I felt them.

Okay, what’s a Jim Vilk story without a little DIY? Most of you have seen my Lego tribute to the Miracle of Richfield and my latest indoor soccer game, but very few people have seen my first attempt at a Coliseum/Cleveland Force tribute. I made this from an old table hockey game, using cardboard cutouts for the players and clothes pins covered in hockey tape for the bases. It’s a bit primitive, but I thought I should dig it out of the closet and share it with you anyway.

Oh, and you hockey fans – that inflatable Cleveland Crusaders guy was goalie Gerry Cheevers, in case you were wondering.

* * … Yes, it sure has been a long, hard climb … * *

Thanks, Jim, for that trip down memory lane. You got some great stuff out of that old place. And thanks for the brief history lesson too — like many readers, I’m sure we weren’t aware of the great events hosted inside the Coliseum. And I, for one, wholeheartedly express support for a future DIY of turning that scale model of the Q into a retro baseball park. Maybe next spring?

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Guess The Game From The Scoreboard: OK…there’s going to be a theme with today’s post, starting with the scoreboard. So, right off the bat, in case you don’t recognize the stadium, there’s your hint. That’s the only hint you should need, since this one is probably pretty easy, especially if you know how to cheat. Try not to, OK? Ready? Guess The Game. As always, date, location and final score, and let us know how you came about your answer.

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Did I mention there’s a bit of a theme today? Well, even today’s Benchies plays along with that theme. Ricko did this one a long time ago (notice the stirrups on Ozzie), so take it for what it’s worth. And it’s pretty funny. So, on that note, enjoy a special Friday edition of Benchies.

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Uni Watch News Ticker: Uni Watch Prexy Paul Lukas checks in first with this, heads up from the Buccaneers, who will be unveiling their 1976 throwback uniforms at 11:00 am today … Also noticing this was Wayne Edward Koehler who provides the “heads up” from The St. Pete Times … Mr. Lukas also notes these pics from Pats practice, ad patches everywhere … In a related story, Tom Adjemian checks in with this little story on the Pat’s Jersey Ads, with another pic. … Northwest UW correspondent Jeremy Brahm notes “The Japan Volleyball Federation (JVA) has just released logos for their men’s and women’s national teams. The women’s logo is on the left ‘Hinotori (Phoenix) Nippon (Japan)’ and the men’s is on the right ‘Ryuujin (Dragon King) Nippon (Japan).’ This is in collaboration with Tezuka Productions or the company that owns the rights to the Seibu Lions logo.” … More jersey sponsor news comes from Nick Houser who advises that the Cincinnati Bengals have signed a practice jersey deal with SpongeTech Delivery Systems according to the Cincinnati Enquirer (via twitter) … Ribby Paultz found this interesting article in which Russian airline “Aeroflot ditches ‘revolting’ hostess uniforms and reveals: ‘We will only hire attractive girls’.” Says Ribby, “‘Bout time.” … Following up upon a ticker item yesterday about Tadahito Iguchi’s batting gloves, Robert Steinau produced a picture of him from his days as a member of the Phillies … In addition, Jeremy has also supplied pics of him as a member of the White Sox, and also his current team, the Chiba Lotte Marines … Sneakerhead Matt Powers called me from Fenway Park yesterday to report that Rajai Davis is still wearing the logoed stirrups (here’s a better view from a different game) … Aaron Bolerjack writes: “I’ve been a Manchester United fan for a long time, and a Uni Watch supporter since the Page 2 days. Can’t believe that nobody from one camp or the other hasn’t jumped on this yet — A few weeks ago, Man U announced their new 09/10 home uniform, which they claimed was ‘reminiscent of the shirt worn by Manchester United’s 1909 FA Cup-winning team. This new design features a similar sash across the front. The club has used the same design components to honor that historic accomplishment of 100 years ago, the first of its eleven Cup titles.'” Here’s the problem, according to Aaron: The 1909 shirts looked like this (WHITE shirt, LONG sleeves, RED chevron and cuffs); The 2009/2010 shirts look like this (RED shirt, SHORT sleeves, BLACK chevron, BLACK neck ring, NO cuffs). “Ironically, the 2009/2010 goalkeeper’s jerseys (designed to CONTRAST with their teammates) are a LOT closer to the original design,” he continues. “Please help me bring attention to this travesty.” … Reprinted from yesterday’s comments: reader Brian makes an astute observation — Is a commemorative bat really a the right type of memorabilia to celebrate a perfect game? … Jake Elwell found this bit about “These blogging sisters were featured in the Times style section today. I note they recently posted some fun uni-related stuff your readers might like (scroll down a bit).” … Zac Neubauer was fortunate enough to go to the Giants game on Monday night and got an up close look at the Sue Burns patch. Sadly, the ones on the ushers were either stapled or safety pinned on … Bill Scrowther notes, “I noticed during Wednesday night’s MLS All-Star game that each MLS player had their team’s crest on their left sleeve, which can be seen here.” Bill adds, “However, the second goalkeeper (Zach Thornton) for the MLS side had his crest on the front of his jersey, right chest. What made him so special? My only thought is maybe it has to do with him only being added to the roster on Monday.” … Check out this collection of old baseball photographs from the University of California Library system (with thanks to Robert Ruszczyk … Jim Zorn “lays down the law,” according to Alain Nana-Sinkam, who notes that in the last graf of the Chris Cooley blog, there are to be no cutoff sweats. “We have retained a seamstress to take care of that for you,” he states. … Hayden Jackson thinks, we “might enjoy this photo set of a book my grandfather owned about Babe Ruth called ‘Babe Ruth: The Idol of an American Boy’.” I’d say so … Chris Hodge found this incredibly cool gallery of old photos of the Bears at Wrigley Field. … Reprinted from last night’s comments: the Buffalo Bills have “officially” unveiled their throwback uniforms for next season (thanks TJ), and they’re already on sale — although there is some question as to the actual sleeve striping (if they’ll even have noticeable sleeves, that is) … OCD DIYer Robert Marshall, whose team apparently won their softball game yesterday, sent this awesome pic of his hosiery (at least I think that’s his legs) … Matthew Dubroff, Philly fan, loves his Phillies — but “then I saw this t shirt that is embarrassingly stupid. If this starts a trend if nickname jersey/shirts … god help us all.” And finally, the previously mentioned Matt Powers sent along the following: DWade has decided to join the mothership. Matt continues, “And for a sneakerhead, this news is like winning the lottery, going out with Kim Kardashian, and dunking on Gheorge Muresan after coming home from Spring Break and watching Sixth Sense for the first time.” He explains that these are often thought of as the best of all 23 Jordan signatures. And finally, a super rare retro. Thanks Matt, I don’t know what we’d do with out you.

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Hope everyone who was able to attend the UW gathering in Cleveland had a great time. Thanks to Paul for letting me steer the ship in his stead yesterday and today. Of course, you’re stuck with me for the weekend too. Be sure to check back Sunday for a couple of announcements on “uni tweaks” and “uni tracking” and a bit of potpourri. Have a great Friday everyone. — Phil

182 comments to Oh, the Hours I Spent Inside the Coliseum

JimV19|
July 31, 2009 at 7:37 am |

One of the joys of living in Northeast Ohio is getting to listen to Joe Tait call a Cavaliers game on the radio. He’s the voice on the Miracle of Richfield clip (interspersed with the Bullets announcers, for some reason). He’s still calling games today. If you’re in town and there’s a Cavs game on TV, do yourself a favor – turn down the TV sound and let Joe call the action.

When I was a student at the Univ. of MN, I got to play in a pickup hockey game on the very last sheet of ice at the old Mariucci Arena. It slowly melted under us as we played past midnight. Upon my exit from the building (which they converted into a non-revenue sports pavilion) I managed to abscond with a gold and maroon metal sign for one of the seating sections. It’s fairly small but seems to be made of lead and is incredibly heavy. We’ve moved about six times since then, but it comes with me on every trek. One day, I’ll get around to hanging it somewhere. A great souvenir.

What’s right? There was a thin red border on all sleeve stripes (except for when, well past 1964) they flipflopped royal and red on the white jerseys when blue pants came along. Home jersye never changed during the run of that uni set.

On all jerseys, all stripes were same color and edged in contrasting color. No, zip, nada one-color stripes with that uni.

—Ricko

Patrick O'Donnell|
July 31, 2009 at 8:33 am |

I too am an Manchester United supporter. While I agree that they didn’t really accurately reproduce the jersey, who cares? Just be glad they didn’t reproduce the material from the original. What is that? Leather? Sheep’s wool? Point being that it pays homage to the original without copying. I think it’s nice. Now if we could only get rid of that sponsor on the front…

Also, they wear read as their 1st choice always now. They already have another white one also as their 3rd, and the 2nd is black.

gusto|
July 31, 2009 at 8:38 am |

Interesting story about Richfield Coliseum, can’t imagine being a Cleveland sports fan right now, no major sports titles since 1964. When you compare overall success of sports franchises between Pittsburgh and Cleveland, it’s a total mismatch.

Pens vs. Cavaliers: Huge advantage to the reigning Stanley Cup World Champs. Cavs have never even reached an NBA final, while the Pens are among the upper tier franchises in the entire NHL. Only 7 other NHL clubs have actually won more Cups than the Pens, and five of those teams were original six clubs, who had the big advantage of a roughly 40 year head start as franchises. Also, it was easier to win Cups in those days, losing teams actually did so twice in that weaker era.

Pirates vs. Indians: Another mismatch in favor of Pittsburgh. Despite the Pirates’ recent struggles, only three clubs have won more world titles in the game. Cleveland has only won two, and the Bucs have had greater players overall than the Tribe.

Steelers vs. Browns: This is a closer competition, but the Browns’ four NFL titles cannot match the historic six Super Bowl wins for the Steel City. Nearly all Cleveland’s great players played in the 1950s and 1960s, while the Steelers have hall of famers since the early 70’s and there’s no end in sight. Hines Ward is a virtual lock for Canton, and Big Ben has been superior to John Elway at this point in their respective careers.

Ricko|
July 31, 2009 at 8:39 am |

Mike Greenburg quoted Tyler Kepner this a.m, btw, regarding whether championships are “tainted” during the Steroid Era (strangely, “Dead Ball Era” might also be accurate…but who cares about side effects).

[quote comment=”343181″]Pens vs. Cavaliers: Huge advantage to the reigning Stanley Cup World Champs. Cavs have never even reached an NBA final, while the Pens are among the upper tier franchises in the entire NHL. Only 7 other NHL clubs have actually won more Cups than the Pens, and five of those teams were original six clubs, who had the big advantage of a roughly 40 year head start as franchises. Also, it was easier to win Cups in those days, losing teams actually did so twice in that weaker era.[/quote]

Oh, we’ve been to the Finals before. We were swept by the Spurs once reaching them though.

I really enjoyed seeing The Coliseum stuff, spent alot of time there over the years. My sister’s college graduation was there (University of Akron, 1976).Very cool to see the Miracle of Richfield again. Dick Snyder is a native of my hometown, North Canton, OH. He was also a great HS quarterback at North Canton Hoover (member of the Stark County HS Football Hall of Fame). To Jim, Doug, Brian, Vince, Paul, Matt, and all the other Uni Watchers I met at the gathering last night, it was great to meet everybody and now be able to put a face to the names I read. Had a great time, best wishes and safe traveling to everybody. – Dan

gusto|
July 31, 2009 at 9:06 am |

[quote comment=”343185″]To “Gusto”:

Easy big fella…[/quote]

Hey, with the exception of the mistake I made about the Cavs, I was just stating the facts.

mmwatkin|
July 31, 2009 at 9:06 am |

Apparently, a brick wall covered by ivy is padded enough for baseball players running at full speed…but inadequate for fully padded football players

Well, I guess the Coliseum talk was timely. Nicely done, Jim – thanks for the article. Also, nice score with the pre-demolition walk-thru. I’ll bet if you could do it over again, you and Tom would have rented a semi instead of the daily drivers!! Great to meet everyone last night.

Matt & Amy

TommyD|
July 31, 2009 at 9:35 am |

That coliseum stuff was superb. Love the drive safely sign in your garage. well done.

Prexy Hater|
July 31, 2009 at 9:38 am |

Nice stadiums. Nice uniforms.

Two of the world’s most famous athletes in the world (for now).

Cleveland needs a championship. Perhaps the NFL’s parity will get the Browns to the Super Bowl (two words, not one).

Bucs wearing the Orange and Cream. I likes…I likes. It’s to bad it was coincidentally synonymous with losing. Personally, i think it has nothing to do with the uniform but I do like these better than the pewter stuff.

As for the Bills….I’d like to see 1983 uniforms with the white helmet and current Bill logo. Those are nice!

regarding the buffalo bills throwbacks, a reader just sent this story in

note the second paragraph:

[quote]For the record, the striping on the sleeves is not identical to the striping on the jerseys of the ’60s, whereas the sleeve striping on the blue throwbacks is the same as in the old days.[/quote]

I wish the Bills would lose their current uniforms, possibly the worst in NFL history, and return to either the 1960s or 1970s version. Also, they need to ditch the red helmet, and return to the white.

Ricko|
July 31, 2009 at 10:04 am |

[quote comment=”343200″]regarding the buffalo bills throwbacks, a reader just sent this story in

note the second paragraph:

[quote]For the record, the striping on the sleeves is not identical to the striping on the jerseys of the ’60s, whereas the sleeve striping on the blue throwbacks is the same as in the old days.[/quote]

ricko can come off the ledge now ;)[/quote]

Was gonna mention in my post that the throwbacks were more accurate.
But it still begs the question…”If you’re gonna just make up a uniform, why bother?”

Man U kits; I like the design but hate the squad. If I was a fan, I would buy the keeper shirt in a heartbeat. Might get the socks anyway. Even as a Nike hater in all forms, and being a complete adidas whore, I gotta give them credit.

OK, I give up: Why was the “guess the game” from yesterday (Thur 7/30) so historic?

Matt Brosseau|
July 31, 2009 at 10:14 am |

On the Mets radio broadcast last night, Howie Rose was getting pretty exercised about how the Rockies were wearing the road pinstripes, and that the Mets decided to wear black/black/white. He specifically mentioned that the Mets’ home pinstripes had only been worn 5 times so far this year.

Is Howie a UW reader? He was reporting these facts with great gusto.

bill|
July 31, 2009 at 10:16 am |

Thanks for the gallery of old photos of the Bears at Wrigley Field. Particularly enjoyed the one of “The Giffer” hauling in a touchdown pass while wearing tennis shoes.

[quote comment=”343181″]
Steelers vs. Browns: This is a closer competition, but the Browns’ four NFL titles cannot match the historic six Super Bowl wins for the Steel City. Nearly all Cleveland’s great players played in the 1950s and 1960s, while the Steelers have hall of famers since the early 70’s and there’s no end in sight. Hines Ward is a virtual lock for Canton, and Big Ben has been superior to John Elway at this point in their respective careers.[/quote]

Just for the record Cleveland has won 6 NFL championships and 10 pro football titles.

[quote comment=”343209″]On the Mets radio broadcast last night, Howie Rose was getting pretty exercised about how the Rockies were wearing the road pinstripes, and that the Mets decided to wear black/black/white. He specifically mentioned that the Mets’ home pinstripes had only been worn 5 times so far this year.

Is Howie a UW reader? He was reporting these facts with great gusto.[/quote]

howie is actually incorrect, but close

they’ve worn the home pins only SIX times (four times with blue caps/sleeves, twice with black/blue caps & black sleeves)

their last two home sunday dates, one a ESPN night game vs. the yanks and the last one, the sunday before the ASG break, they STOPPED wearing the pins…i thought maybe the yankee game was an aberration, being a national tv night game, but the sunday game with the reds before break was a normal afternoon game

which is now possibly a “trend” … are they dropping the pins altogether? i guess we’ll find out this sunday when they play the d-bags

(and i know howie and paul text [or email] each other, so it wouldn’t surprise me if he’s a reader, btw)

marc|
July 31, 2009 at 10:34 am |

had a great time last nite meeting paul and fellow uni-watchers in cleveland (i was the guy who showed up after 9, btw). conversation ran the gamut from the ongoing sorry state of cleveland sports to the late, great “sisters chicken and biscuits.” thanks again, paul, for getting us all together!

ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE richfield coliseum content today, guys! i have many fond memories of being there… from the “miracle of richfield” (got to see the cavs defeat the bullets), to my very first concert (kiss in ’79), to my high school graduation in ’85. great venue, great location (albeit a bit off the beaten path and in the heart of the snow belt) and a lot of great events. r.i.p. coliseum!

Perry|
July 31, 2009 at 10:35 am |

[quote comment=”343208″]OK, I give up: Why was the “guess the game” from yesterday (Thur 7/30) so historic?[/quote]

I’m guessing it was Fisk’s first home game as a White Sock.

chiarams|
July 31, 2009 at 10:39 am |

Great stuff about Richfield.

Interesting side-note – the seats from the Coliseum were actually purchased, refurbished, and installed in the Blue Cross Arena (former War Memorial) in Rochester, NY.

To follow up on yesterday’s guess the game from the scoreboard, the game was the White Sox home opener on 4/14/1981. I’ve seen the pic may times before, including as part of the upper deck concourse murals at The Cell.

The game itself was the first home game for Jerry Reinsdorf’s new ownership group, which made a huge splash signing Carlton Fisk and Greg Luzinski, the first credible free agent signings by the White Sox since 1977. Fisk was already my new hero (I was 10) for hitting a 3 run homer on opening day in Boston. For the home opener, he hit a grand slam as part of a 6 run 4th. Three games into the new season, a culture of losing had been replaced by legitimate playoff hopes.

leon|
July 31, 2009 at 10:42 am |

“sisters chicken and biscuits.”

Ironically, there are no sisters in any of the photos.

:)

Hott Rodd|
July 31, 2009 at 10:43 am |

[quote] i guess we’ll find out this sunday when they play the d-bags
[/quote]

Ugh… we’re playing the Muts this weekend? Blah.

marc|
July 31, 2009 at 10:44 am |

[quote comment=”343217″]Just for the record Cleveland has won 6 NFL championships and 10 pro football titles.

NFL: 1925 (Indians), 1945 (Rams) & Browns (4)
AAFC: Browns 1946-1949.

If you’re going to count them, count them right![/quote]

i completely forgot the rams (’45) and (not the football indians, but…) bulldogs (’24) won titles. great catch!!! you also might be able to technically include the canton bulldogs’ championships from ’22 and ’23 as well — them being awfully close to the greater cleveland area and all — but i don’t think that’d sit too well with the folks in canton!

CoachKing|
July 31, 2009 at 10:45 am |

[quote comment=”343180″]I too am an Manchester United supporter. While I agree that they didn’t really accurately reproduce the jersey, who cares? Just be glad they didn’t reproduce the material from the original. What is that? Leather? Sheep’s wool? Point being that it pays homage to the original without copying. I think it’s nice. Now if we could only get rid of that sponsor on the front…

Also, they wear read as their 1st choice always now. They already have another white one also as their 3rd, and the 2nd is black.[/quote]

As a follower of the Toffees, I will take Man U’s jersey over the abymsmal additions that Everton put out this year.

[quote comment=”343228″][quote comment=”343217″]Just for the record Cleveland has won 6 NFL championships and 10 pro football titles.

NFL: 1925 (Indians), 1945 (Rams) & Browns (4)
AAFC: Browns 1946-1949.

If you’re going to count them, count them right![/quote]

i completely forgot the rams (’45) and (not the football indians, but…) bulldogs (’24) won titles. great catch!!! you also might be able to technically include the canton bulldogs’ championships from ’22 and ’23 as well — them being awfully close to the greater cleveland area and all — but i don’t think that’d sit too well with the folks in canton![/quote]

You’re right about it being the 1924 Indians and not 1925. That’s what happens when you’re in too big a hurry to correct someone else- you inevitably make a mistake yourself! :)

Canton’s titles are Canton’s, not Cleveland’s, of that there is no doubt!

[quote comment=”343186″]I really enjoyed seeing The Coliseum stuff, spent alot of time there over the years. My sister’s college graduation was there (University of Akron, 1976).Very cool to see the Miracle of Richfield again. Dick Snyder is a native of my hometown, North Canton, OH. He was also a great HS quarterback at North Canton Hoover (member of the Stark County HS Football Hall of Fame). To Jim, Doug, Brian, Vince, Paul, Matt, and all the other Uni Watchers I met at the gathering last night, it was great to meet everybody and now be able to put a face to the names I read. Had a great time, best wishes and safe traveling to everybody. – Dan[/quote]

Great to meet you too, Dan!

They did high school graduations there as well, including mine. Didn’t get my cap and gown order placed in time, though, so I couldn’t take part. Oh well.

Re: The “Rauuuuuuuuulll” jersey-t-shirt: The cat’s been out of the bag for a while now. I’ve seen Yankees “A-ROD” and “JOBA” and Mets “K-ROD” jersey-t-shirts, all by Majestic. I’ve yet to see a similar Red Sox “BIG PAPI” however.
Opinion time: on these jersey-t-shirts, NOB’s other than LNOB’s (e.g.: “A-ROD” instead of “RODRIGUEZ”) look the least stupid on Yankees shirts. This could mean I am subconsciously allowing NOB artistic liberty on Yankees shirts (which should be NNOB, but no doubt the MLBPA has something to say about that).

Ricko|
July 31, 2009 at 10:54 am |

So, did you manage to avoid mentioning V— or F—- at the UW get-together last night?

(“Yes” or “No” will suffice; no sense getting started again, LOL)

mtjaws|
July 31, 2009 at 10:55 am |

[quote comment=”343227″][quote] i guess we’ll find out this sunday when they play the d-bags
[/quote]

Ugh… we’re playing the Muts this weekend? Blah.[/quote]

The Snakes can beat the Mets. Just need some mistake-free play. I hope it happens.

Those Air Jordan Space Jam black sneakers are very nice and understated. I’d like a pair.

[quote]Those Air Jordan Space Jam black sneakers are very nice and understated.[/quote]

you forgot the [sarcasm][/sarcasm] tags, didn’t you ;)

anotherguy|
July 31, 2009 at 10:58 am |

[quote comment=”343225″]The game itself was the first home game for Jerry Reinsdorf’s new ownership group, which made a huge splash signing Carlton Fisk and Greg Luzinski, the first credible free agent signings by the White Sox since 1977. [/quote]
That’s about what I was going to say when someone asked why the game was “iconic”. Coming out of the Veeck era with his rent-a-players such as Zisk and Gamble, this was a new way of thinking for Sox fans.

[quote comment=”343220″][quote comment=”343209″]On the Mets radio broadcast last night, Howie Rose was getting pretty exercised about how the Rockies were wearing the road pinstripes, and that the Mets decided to wear black/black/white. He specifically mentioned that the Mets’ home pinstripes had only been worn 5 times so far this year.

Is Howie a UW reader? He was reporting these facts with great gusto.[/quote]

howie is actually incorrect, but close

they’ve worn the home pins only SIX times (four times with blue caps/sleeves, twice with black/blue caps & black sleeves)

their last two home sunday dates, one a ESPN night game vs. the yanks and the last one, the sunday before the ASG break, they STOPPED wearing the pins…i thought maybe the yankee game was an aberration, being a national tv night game, but the sunday game with the reds before break was a normal afternoon game

which is now possibly a “trend” … are they dropping the pins altogether?[/quote]

FWIW, the official photos displayed on scoreboards at home and on the road when a player comes to bat show the Mets in snow white jerseys with traditional blue caps.

[quote comment=”343220″][quote comment=”343209″]On the Mets radio broadcast last night, Howie Rose was getting pretty exercised about how the Rockies were wearing the road pinstripes, and that the Mets decided to wear black/black/white. He specifically mentioned that the Mets’ home pinstripes had only been worn 5 times so far this year.

Is Howie a UW reader? He was reporting these facts with great gusto.[/quote]

howie is actually incorrect, but close

they’ve worn the home pins only SIX times (four times with blue caps/sleeves, twice with black/blue caps & black sleeves)

their last two home sunday dates, one a ESPN night game vs. the yanks and the last one, the sunday before the ASG break, they STOPPED wearing the pins…i thought maybe the yankee game was an aberration, being a national tv night game, but the sunday game with the reds before break was a normal afternoon game

which is now possibly a “trend” … are they dropping the pins altogether? i guess we’ll find out this sunday when they play the d-bags

(and i know howie and paul text [or email] each other, so it wouldn’t surprise me if he’s a reader, btw)[/quote]
Have the Mets ever worn black tops over pinstripes? Or have they ever worn a hat other than the all-black with the black tops? Just curious to see how atrocious those combos would be if they exist.

JimV19|
July 31, 2009 at 11:00 am |

[quote comment=”343229″][quote comment=”343180″]I too am an Manchester United supporter. While I agree that they didn’t really accurately reproduce the jersey, who cares? Just be glad they didn’t reproduce the material from the original. What is that? Leather? Sheep’s wool? Point being that it pays homage to the original without copying. I think it’s nice. Now if we could only get rid of that sponsor on the front…

Also, they wear read as their 1st choice always now. They already have another white one also as their 3rd, and the 2nd is black.[/quote]

As a follower of the Toffees, I will take Man U’s jersey over the abymsmal additions that Everton put out this year.

“… OCD DIYer Robert Marshall, whose team apparently won their softball game yesterday, sent this awesome pic of his hosiery (at least I think that’s his legs) …”

*****

Not only does RM boast spectacularly well-hosed calves. His proposal for new ChiSox unis a couple of days ago was, imho, the best of the bunch by far. And every morning (for the rest of my life) I greet the RM custom-made bobblehead atop my dresser. I am deep in his debt.

[quote]Or have they ever worn a hat other than the all-black with the black tops? Just curious to see how atrocious those combos would be if they exist.[/quote]

again, i do not believe so…and i will NOT be mocking those up either

JimV19|
July 31, 2009 at 11:04 am |

[quote comment=”343236″]So, did you manage to avoid mentioning V— or F—- at the UW get-together last night?

(“Yes” or “No” will suffice; no sense getting started again, LOL)[/quote]

Yes, thankfully. :)

JimV19|
July 31, 2009 at 11:10 am |

[quote comment=”343195″]Well, I guess the Coliseum talk was timely. Nicely done, Jim – thanks for the article. Also, nice score with the pre-demolition walk-thru. I’ll bet if you could do it over again, you and Tom would have rented a semi instead of the daily drivers!! Great to meet everyone last night.

Matt & Amy[/quote]

Yeah, I shudder to think what’s buried out there. Would have been great to have a real truck. Great to meet you.

Ricko|
July 31, 2009 at 11:16 am |

How ’bout this as suggested rule change for MLB?
“Pantlegs, including any bloused fabric, shall extend no lower than mid-calf.”

Right. Probably end up with the Players Association filing a suit about “freedom of expression” or somethig.

[quote comment=”343221″]had a great time last nite meeting paul and fellow uni-watchers in cleveland (i was the guy who showed up after 9, btw). conversation ran the gamut from the ongoing sorry state of cleveland sports to the late, great “sisters chicken and biscuits.” thanks again, paul, for getting us all together!

ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE richfield coliseum content today, guys! i have many fond memories of being there… from the “miracle of richfield” (got to see the cavs defeat the bullets), to my very first concert (kiss in ’79), to my high school graduation in ’85. great venue, great location (albeit a bit off the beaten path and in the heart of the snow belt) and a lot of great events. r.i.p. coliseum![/quote]

Glad to see you at the gathering. I missed out on the chicken and biscuits discussion, though. That’s right up my alley. A sign I saw while driving through SE Ohio fits me perfectly: “Where I come from, gravy is considered a beverage.”

[quote comment=”343238″][quote]Those Air Jordan Space Jam black sneakers are very nice and understated.[/quote]

you forgot the [sarcasm][/sarcasm] tags, didn’t you ;)[/quote]

Not at all. Almost all black, with a little white and blue looks nice. And, they look like normal laces and materials, not the odd variations that many Jordans have. The toe looks a little shiny though.

After finally reading the main Richfield article, I’d love to have “looted” an arena like that. I’d try to get all I could. Good writings.

marc|
July 31, 2009 at 11:30 am |

[quote comment=”343181″]…can’t imagine being a Cleveland sports fan right now, no major sports titles since 1964.[/quote]

lebron and shaq have given us much to hope for which is awesome… but my dirty little secret — and i’m willing to bet it’s the same for a lot of cleveland sports fans — is it won’t be the real deal till the lombardi trophy makes an appearance. now, don’t get me wrong… i’ll be more than ecstatic with an nba or mlb championship, but my heart’s shaped like an oblate spheroid, so i won’t be completely satisfied until the town is painted brown and orange in february.

Hibbsy|
July 31, 2009 at 11:35 am |

There were a lot of wicked mullets in that Crunch footage. Despite Jagr’s efforts, no sport sported that look better than indoor soccer.

Hey, with the exception of the mistake I made about the Cavs, I was just stating the facts.[/quote]

How is it a fact when you wrote:

[quote comment=”343187″]”Also, it was easier to win Cups in those days, losing teams actually did so twice in that weaker era.”[/quote]

I’m quite certain it was not easier to win a Stanley Cup when there were six teams. The teams were stacked top to bottom with talent, and all of them could play. Just because there’s less teams doesn’t make it easier to win the Stanley Cup. Your chances go up, but you still have to win.

Jim, love the old stadium stuff. My dream is to have a man-cave full of that kind of stuff. You, sir, are an inspiration.

JimV19|
July 31, 2009 at 11:41 am |

[quote comment=”343235″]Re: The “Rauuuuuuuuulll” jersey-t-shirt: The cat’s been out of the bag for a while now. I’ve seen Yankees “A-ROD” and “JOBA” and Mets “K-ROD” jersey-t-shirts, all by Majestic. I’ve yet to see a similar Red Sox “BIG PAPI” however.
Opinion time: on these jersey-t-shirts, NOB’s other than LNOB’s (e.g.: “A-ROD” instead of “RODRIGUEZ”) look the least stupid on Yankees shirts. This could mean I am subconsciously allowing NOB artistic liberty on Yankees shirts (which should be NNOB, but no doubt the MLBPA has something to say about that).[/quote]

Wish I knew how to post it on here, but a friend of mine on Facebook has a rendering of an Indians jersey-t with TRADEMENEXT as the NOB and 09 as the number. I’m normally not into goofy NOBs, but I’d get a Pirates version of that one.

anotherguy|
July 31, 2009 at 11:57 am |

[quote comment=”343249″]
“Pantlegs, including any bloused fabric, shall extend no lower than mid-calf.”

Right. Probably end up with the Players Association filing a suit about “freedom of expression” or somethig.[/quote]Plus the inevitable lawsuit over what constitutes “mid” calf.

Tony|
July 31, 2009 at 11:58 am |

Love the creamsicle unis! Just ordered a Ward jersey, the only one still left in 3-extra fat.

leon|
July 31, 2009 at 12:08 pm |

Sorry, Marc
Gonna have to get all geometrical with you.
According to the Doc (and he oughta know).

An Americal football is a prolate spheroid. This means that its axis of
symmetry is longer than its other axes. Am M&M candy, on the other hand, is
an oblate spheroid. Its axis of symmetry is shorter than its other axes.

And the stripes are all wrong, too. The Bills never—repeat, never–wore that jersey.

–Ricko

You’re right Ricko… of course… so, why, why would the do this? Instead of this:http://www.weirdwolf…

So I joined the discussion late last night and added the comment above to follow up on Ricko’s post.

It just seems odd to me that the Bills would put this together, call it a throwback and charge people $80 for a replica of something that never existed before. Too me it’s outrageous. It’s too bad, considering their blue throwbacks were the absolute best jersey worn in the NFL last year.

leon|
July 31, 2009 at 12:10 pm |

Oh, unless you meant an M&M.

:)

Leaky|
July 31, 2009 at 12:27 pm |

I’ve come to love the misguided efforts of Chris Creamer and UniWatchblog.com’ers who continually criticize team uniforms—and then decide to do their “own” versions, in this case the Bengals.

The end results reminds and reinforms us why professional teams turn to real design firms to create the uniforms/logos?

Why? Because the amateurs submitted work always sucks.

Ricko|
July 31, 2009 at 12:40 pm |

[quote comment=”343265″]I’ve come to love the misguided efforts of Chris Creamer and UniWatchblog.com’ers who continually criticize team uniforms—and then decide to do their “own” versions, in this case the Bengals.

I’ve got nothing to add on the Richfield Coliseum other than to mention that it also hosted the NHL, the late unlamented Cleveland Barons. Two years and done.

CJ|
July 31, 2009 at 1:00 pm |

[quote comment=”343234″]Darn! It’s a small, or else that would have been nice. Hope it goes to a good home.[/quote]

At least you have self control. I have about 3 or 4 jerseys in my vintage soccer collection that don’t fit, that I still bought. “Of course I’ll fit into that extra small Germany 1994 World Cup shirt!”

[quote comment=”343265″]I’ve come to love the misguided efforts of Chris Creamer and UniWatchblog.com’ers who continually criticize team uniforms—and then decide to do their “own” versions, in this case the Bengals.

The end results reminds and reinforms us why professional teams turn to real design firms to create the uniforms/logos?

Why? Because the amateurs submitted work always sucks.[/quote]

To be honest, I can’t help but agree a little. Maybe not with the “always” part (Mike Hass’s, Andrew Greenwood’s, and Michael Schwartz’s are pretty decent, the rest are rather boring minimilist stuffs), but the two sites seem to have a very strong bias torwards “Old is Awesome, New Sucks” groupthink. Not that the above is always wrong, but I have noticed that people here tend to confuse “Simple” with “Classic”, and reject anything with individuality or flair.

Not all, of course, it’s just a trend I noticed. Nothing wrong with thinking that way, but it’s just starting to feel that the community expects EVERYONE here to feel that way. I hope I am wrong, though.

Hibbsy|
July 31, 2009 at 1:14 pm |

[quote comment=”343265″]I’ve come to love the misguided efforts of Chris Creamer and UniWatchblog.com’ers who continually criticize team uniforms—and then decide to do their “own” versions, in this case the Bengals.

The end results reminds and reinforms us why professional teams turn to real design firms to create the uniforms/logos?

Why? Because the amateurs submitted work always sucks.[/quote]

I’ve come to love the misguided efforts of people who read this blog that shouldn’t. There are plenty of other reinformative sites.

Hibbsy|
July 31, 2009 at 1:16 pm |

[quote comment=”343269″][quote comment=”343265″]I’ve come to love the misguided efforts of Chris Creamer and UniWatchblog.com’ers who continually criticize team uniforms—and then decide to do their “own” versions, in this case the Bengals.

The end results reminds and reinforms us why professional teams turn to real design firms to create the uniforms/logos?

Why? Because the amateurs submitted work always sucks.[/quote]

To be honest, I can’t help but agree a little. Maybe not with the “always” part (Mike Hass’s, Andrew Greenwood’s, and Michael Schwartz’s are pretty decent, the rest are rather boring minimilist stuffs), but the two sites seem to have a very strong bias torwards “Old is Awesome, New Sucks” groupthink. Not that the above is always wrong, but I have noticed that people here tend to confuse “Simple” with “Classic”, and reject anything with individuality or flair.

Not all, of course, it’s just a trend I noticed. Nothing wrong with thinking that way, but it’s just starting to feel that the community expects EVERYONE here to feel that way. I hope I am wrong, though.[/quote]

I agree with this comment, but that earlier one was mean.

Ricko|
July 31, 2009 at 1:22 pm |

[quote comment=”343271″][quote comment=”343269″][quote comment=”343265″]I’ve come to love the misguided efforts of Chris Creamer and UniWatchblog.com’ers who continually criticize team uniforms—and then decide to do their “own” versions, in this case the Bengals.

The end results reminds and reinforms us why professional teams turn to real design firms to create the uniforms/logos?

Why? Because the amateurs submitted work always sucks.[/quote]

To be honest, I can’t help but agree a little. Maybe not with the “always” part (Mike Hass’s, Andrew Greenwood’s, and Michael Schwartz’s are pretty decent, the rest are rather boring minimilist stuffs), but the two sites seem to have a very strong bias torwards “Old is Awesome, New Sucks” groupthink. Not that the above is always wrong, but I have noticed that people here tend to confuse “Simple” with “Classic”, and reject anything with individuality or flair.

Not all, of course, it’s just a trend I noticed. Nothing wrong with thinking that way, but it’s just starting to feel that the community expects EVERYONE here to feel that way. I hope I am wrong, though.[/quote]

I agree with this comment, but that earlier one was mean.[/quote]

Plus, it pre-supposed all who submit are “amateurs.” Many of them are professional designers who simply have never been selected to work on an NFL project. At the same time, we all have seen some some okay stuff come from Nike, for example, as well some horrendous work…and that’s the work of “professionals”.

Really is a case-by-case thing.

(Although, I also will admit a lotta times it DOES feel a little like we’re designing new uniforms for Star Fleet. LOL)

Plus, it pre-supposed all who submit are “amateurs.” Many of them are professional designers who simply have never been selected to work on an NFL project. At the same time, we all have seen some some okay stuff come from Nike, for example, as well some horrendous work…and that’s the work of “professionals”.

It’s fine to redesign a team’s uniforms for the sheer fun of doing it but the thread regularly starts with… Oh the Wizards jerseys suck and here’s designs that are better… and rarely are they anywhere near as good… and this is with no millionaire owner having his wife try to tell you “why fuschia is the new black”…

Those that can do… those that can’t criticize. Period.

Mike Edgerly|
July 31, 2009 at 1:43 pm |

More info from this morning on Bucs creamsicle throwbacks. Also the normal “skirting” along the sideline walls in the RayJay will be creamsicle on November 8.

I immediately thought of Bob Weir, leaning back, belting out that line! One of my favorite GD covers. Thanks for putting a good tune in my head for the rest of the afternoon.

Hibbsy|
July 31, 2009 at 1:47 pm |

[quote comment=”343274″]Plus, it pre-supposed all who submit are “amateurs.” Many of them are professional designers who simply have never been selected to work on an NFL project. At the same time, we all have seen some some okay stuff come from Nike, for example, as well some horrendous work…and that’s the work of “professionals”.

It’s fine to redesign a team’s uniforms for the sheer fun of doing it but the thread regularly starts with… Oh the Wizards jerseys suck and here’s designs that are better… and rarely are they anywhere near as good… and this is with no millionaire owner having his wife try to tell you “why fuschia is the new black”…

Those that can do… those that can’t criticize. Period.[/quote]

I’ve always heard that we teach.

Hibbsy|
July 31, 2009 at 1:47 pm |

Exclamation point.

JTH|
July 31, 2009 at 1:57 pm |

[quote comment=”343277″][quote comment=”343274″]Plus, it pre-supposed all who submit are “amateurs.” Many of them are professional designers who simply have never been selected to work on an NFL project. At the same time, we all have seen some some okay stuff come from Nike, for example, as well some horrendous work…and that’s the work of “professionals”.

It’s fine to redesign a team’s uniforms for the sheer fun of doing it but the thread regularly starts with… Oh the Wizards jerseys suck and here’s designs that are better… and rarely are they anywhere near as good… and this is with no millionaire owner having his wife try to tell you “why fuschia is the new black”…

Those that can do… those that can’t criticize. Period.[/quote]

I’ve always heard that we teach.[/quote]
OK, next time I’m in a restaurant, when the waitress comes over and asks how the meal is, I’ll offer this in response: “Seeing as how I’m not a professional chef, I am not qualified to tell you that.” rather than mentioning that perhaps the meal could be improved if the chicken were fully cooked.

Berto|
July 31, 2009 at 2:03 pm |

[quote comment=”343274″]Plus, it pre-supposed all who submit are “amateurs.” Many of them are professional designers who simply have never been selected to work on an NFL project. At the same time, we all have seen some some okay stuff come from Nike, for example, as well some horrendous work…and that’s the work of “professionals”.

It’s fine to redesign a team’s uniforms for the sheer fun of doing it but the thread regularly starts with… Oh the Wizards jerseys suck and here’s designs that are better… and rarely are they anywhere near as good… and this is with no millionaire owner having his wife try to tell you “why fuschia is the new black”…

Those that can do… those that can’t criticize. Period.[/quote]

So does that mean you can’t do redesigns?

Berto|
July 31, 2009 at 2:05 pm |

“Savelyev also announced a change to the blue-and-orange uniforms.

‘Psychologists have told us that the current colour evokes revulsion”

Ouch, sorry Mets fans. But maybe it explains some things.

JimV19|
July 31, 2009 at 2:14 pm |

Saying “The amateurs’ submitted work always sucks” sounds like a criticism…
It’s fine to say thanks but no thanks, I like the original better. It’s also fine to offer your own design instead. You did neither. I have no problem with your opinion, just the way you state it. And remember, some of these designs may be serious proposals, while others are just for fun. Organized sports sometimes sucks the fun out of things – let’s not do that here.

Game, set and match, JTH.

JimV19|
July 31, 2009 at 2:17 pm |

[quote comment=”343282″]Saying “The amateurs’ submitted work always sucks” sounds like a criticism…
It’s fine to say thanks but no thanks, I like the original better. It’s also fine to offer your own design instead. You did neither. I have no problem with your opinion, just the way you state it. And remember, some of these designs may be serious proposals, while others are just for fun. Organized sports sometimes sucks the fun out of things – let’s not do that here.

Game, set and match, JTH.[/quote]

I had a quote from JTH that reinforced my point but it vanished. That’s why the last sentence was there. Those who can’t do simple keying…

[quote comment=”343277″][quote comment=”343274″]Plus, it pre-supposed all who submit are “amateurs.” Many of them are professional designers who simply have never been selected to work on an NFL project. At the same time, we all have seen some some okay stuff come from Nike, for example, as well some horrendous work…and that’s the work of “professionals”.

It’s fine to redesign a team’s uniforms for the sheer fun of doing it but the thread regularly starts with… Oh the Wizards jerseys suck and here’s designs that are better… and rarely are they anywhere near as good… and this is with no millionaire owner having his wife try to tell you “why fuschia is the new black”…

Those that can do… those that can’t criticize. Period.[/quote]

I’ve always heard that we teach.[/quote]

That old saw doesn’t always hold up. Don’t have to be a great player to e a great coach. There have been, and are, some legendary coaches whose mental grasp of the game, and their ability to teach the game, far exceeded their physical skills at playing it.

But I will agree with “Leaky” that this site is, and always has been, about more than griping about unis and suggesting alternatives.

Problem is, it’s the Dog Day of Summer here, too. Not a helluva lot going on uni-wise, till we start checking out the football season.

—Ricko

anotherguy|
July 31, 2009 at 2:23 pm |

[quote comment=”343248″]
Yeah, I shudder to think what’s buried out there. [/quote] What and/or who is buried out there…

anotherguy|
July 31, 2009 at 2:29 pm |

[quote comment=”343272″]

Really is a case-by-case thing.
[/quote]
That’s the long and short of it for me.

Yesterday there was a focus on my team, I fired off many a post. Today, I’m not posting so much; I defer to the Cleveland crowd here.

I didn’t like every redesign yesterday: those which I liked, I said I liked and I tried to ignore the rest.

sgalob|
July 31, 2009 at 2:39 pm |

those were my pineapples legs, i don’t wear silver soccer spikes, i wear black baseball spikes, and put brand new white laces in them per ricko’s rules for the playoffs. and yes, we finally won a game this year 12-2 against a team of clowns who like to heckle girls, it was more then satisfying. we lost game 2 something like 27-2, but it didn’t matter. we also had uw reader mathew “shaggy” robins(who already had a pair of the teams stirrups) fill in as our illegal ringer.

but more importantly, i loooooooooved todays column, and i O jim vilk. i always knew i liked the cut of his jib, but jim you worked at the coliseum eh? i lived no more then 2 minutes down route 303 near it’s intersection with olde 91. in 1986/7(the 2 years i lived there)i would have been in high school, used to go to games almost nightly in the 4th quarter when you could get in for free, would go to puffers, and load up free food too. and i never met a beer vendor who would card me, there was never anybody in the brown yellow and orange seats, so everyone welcomed the sales, even to a minor(it was a different day too). but if you sold beer, you sold beer to me, i guarantee. how about those apples jim vilk? i could get into stories, but better not. and by the way jim vilk, i want that coliseum usher’s patch more then my next breath! seriously.

working out the kinks on the curling adaptations. if it goes well, i will let you know.

rpm|
July 31, 2009 at 2:47 pm |

didn’t realize i had not changed my name back to rpm. how long have i been doing this?

Berto|
July 31, 2009 at 2:53 pm |

[quote comment=”343290″]didn’t realize i had not changed my name back to rpm. how long have i been doing this?[/quote]

A couple days at least. I was kind of wondering about the change but I figured you had your reasons.

Ricko|
July 31, 2009 at 2:57 pm |

“put brand new white laces in them per ricko’s rules for the playoffs. and yes, we finally won a game this yea, 12-2”

It’s the laces.
; )

—Ricko

JoeS|
July 31, 2009 at 3:01 pm |

Minnesota Vikings vs Wiscons Badgershttp://twitpic.com/ca0hi
That is a pic from my NFHS high school football preseason guide showing two blatant uniform rip-offs. The stole the logos and uniforms and didn’t even bother using different colors. Sad, really. If I have to ref either of those teams I’m throwing a penalty flag out of principle.

rpm|
July 31, 2009 at 3:04 pm |

[quote comment=”343291″][quote comment=”343290″]didn’t realize i had not changed my name back to rpm. how long have i been doing this?[/quote]

A couple days at least. I was kind of wondering about the change but I figured you had your reasons.[/quote]
if only i had some powder blue panatloons.

[quote comment=”343291″][quote comment=”343290″]didn’t realize i had not changed my name back to rpm. how long have i been doing this?[/quote]

A couple days at least. I was kind of wondering about the change but I figured you had your reasons.[/quote]
it was from when phil was teasing me for my writing, and someone suggested that there be a glossary term for assclowner’s disseased people like me. sgalob referred to Spelling Grammar And Lack Of B??? or something like that. either way, i am an idiot, but everyone already knows that.

JimV19|
July 31, 2009 at 3:14 pm |

[quote comment=”343289″]those were my pineapples legs, i don’t wear silver soccer spikes, i wear black baseball spikes, and put brand new white laces in them per ricko’s rules for the playoffs. and yes, we finally won a game this year 12-2 against a team of clowns who like to heckle girls, it was more then satisfying. we lost game 2 something like 27-2, but it didn’t matter. we also had uw reader mathew “shaggy” robins(who already had a pair of the teams stirrups) fill in as our illegal ringer.

but more importantly, i loooooooooved todays column, and i O jim vilk. i always knew i liked the cut of his jib, but jim you worked at the coliseum eh? i lived no more then 2 minutes down route 303 near it’s intersection with olde 91. in 1986/7(the 2 years i lived there)i would have been in high school, used to go to games almost nightly in the 4th quarter when you could get in for free, would go to puffers, and load up free food too. and i never met a beer vendor who would card me, there was never anybody in the brown yellow and orange seats, so everyone welcomed the sales, even to a minor(it was a different day too). but if you sold beer, you sold beer to me, i guarantee. how about those apples jim vilk? i could get into stories, but better not. and by the way jim vilk, i want that coliseum usher’s patch more then my next breath! seriously.

working out the kinks on the curling adaptations. if it goes well, i will let you know.[/quote]

Send me an email with your address. If I don’t have a spare patch lying around here then my brother does.

I did indeed sell beer. Not often, usually for the big games. Towards the end of my time we had to card, but yeah, I think we eyeballed it for a while. Wow, small world…

I got in free to a couple of games as a kid. Tom dated an usherette (yep, that’s what we called the ladies), so even when I bought a $2.50 ticket (the one advantage of the Ted Stepien era) she’d get me a floor seat if one was available.

It wouldn’t quite work to make an “I’m Calling It The Coliseum” shirt for “the Q,” but I’d like an “I’d Rather See ’em at The Coliseum” shirt…

JTH|
July 31, 2009 at 3:18 pm |

[quote comment=”343296″][quote comment=”343291″][quote comment=”343290″]didn’t realize i had not changed my name back to rpm. how long have i been doing this?[/quote]

A couple days at least. I was kind of wondering about the change but I figured you had your reasons.[/quote]
it was from when phil was teasing me for my writing, and someone suggested that there be a glossary term for assclowner’s disseased people like me. sgalob referred to Spelling Grammar And Lack Of B??? or something like that. either way, i am an idiot, but everyone already knows that.[/quote]
I think it was originally “sgalop” with the P for “puctuation” Somewhere in the last week or so, you went back to rpm, then I think there was something else and then to “sgalob”. We know better than to ask why.

[quote comment=”343296″][quote comment=”343291″][quote comment=”343290″]didn’t realize i had not changed my name back to rpm. how long have i been doing this?[/quote]

A couple days at least. I was kind of wondering about the change but I figured you had your reasons.[/quote]
it was from when phil was teasing me for my writing, and someone suggested that there be a glossary term for assclowner’s disseased people like me. sgalob referred to Spelling Grammar And Lack Of B??? or something like that. either way, i am an idiot, but everyone already knows that.[/quote]

It was supposed to be sgalop (…Lack Of Punctuation). I had suggested dropping the S and calling you galop, but you misspelled your own nickname. Those who can’t spell…make excellent stirrup choices and bobbleheads. Hey, no one can be perfect, right? ;)

[quote comment=”343298″][quote comment=”343296″][quote comment=”343291″][quote comment=”343290″]didn’t realize i had not changed my name back to rpm. how long have i been doing this?[/quote]

A couple days at least. I was kind of wondering about the change but I figured you had your reasons.[/quote]
it was from when phil was teasing me for my writing, and someone suggested that there be a glossary term for assclowner’s disseased people like me. sgalob referred to Spelling Grammar And Lack Of B??? or something like that. either way, i am an idiot, but everyone already knows that.[/quote]
I think it was originally “sgalop” with the P for “puctuation” Somewhere in the last week or so, you went back to rpm, then I think there was something else and then to “sgalob”. We know better than to ask why.[/quote]
Yikes.

OK, away for a while, back for some quality time with my vibraphone.[/quote]
I envy everyone who has a vibraphone. If ever I get rich, I’m getting a good one and a 52 long (or size-of-the-day) jade colored zoot suit to wear while playing it.

Uniwatch got a plug today from Donna Bowman of the Onion’s AV Club. Each staffer listed the web sites they visit while wasting time at work. Given the number of comments that show up on this site during business hours (this one included), I’d say Donna is not alone.

Here’s her quote: “And professional packaging noticer Paul Lukas dissects all the sports-uniform trends you never thought you needed to know at Uni Watch.”

OK, away for a while, back for some quality time with my vibraphone.[/quote]

Ah, you remembered!

Vibraphone, huh? Can you play the solo from Moonlight Feels Right? If I had to have one song from the 70s, that’s the one.[/quote]

ha ha ha ha

if this was a family bbq, and not a blog, sometimes i think you guys treat me like your 1/2 wit family member who puts buckets on his head and runs into walls, and may or may not boggar eating prollem. you guys are all standing around chatting like right proper adults, perhaps eating a hamburger sandwich, and i go zooming by and smash my head, you don’t flinch, that’s just rpm you think without batting an eye. but then there is the love, someone remembers the jim vilk song, like bringing me an ice cold beer after i wake up from knocking myself out. what a family!

how did i misspell disease when i am referring to a misspelling deisease? oops.

i once built a theremin, i know it is no vibraphone, but the name is almost as groovy.

The Indians should just go with no NOB from now on. Even with a program, no one’s going to know who’s playing for them. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4369463
No truth to the rumor that Slider the mascot is being shopped around for three minor league mascots…

Ricko|
July 31, 2009 at 4:30 pm |

[quote comment=”343317″]The Indians should just go with no NOB from now on. Even with a program, no one’s going to know who’s playing for them. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4369463
No truth to the rumor that Slider the mascot is being shopped around for three minor league mascots…[/quote]

Ditto for Pirates.

Hibbsy|
July 31, 2009 at 4:38 pm |

[quote comment=”343297″][quote comment=”343289″]those were my pineapples legs, i don’t wear silver soccer spikes, i wear black baseball spikes, and put brand new white laces in them per ricko’s rules for the playoffs. and yes, we finally won a game this year 12-2 against a team of clowns who like to heckle girls, it was more then satisfying. we lost game 2 something like 27-2, but it didn’t matter. we also had uw reader mathew “shaggy” robins(who already had a pair of the teams stirrups) fill in as our illegal ringer.

but more importantly, i loooooooooved todays column, and i O jim vilk. i always knew i liked the cut of his jib, but jim you worked at the coliseum eh? i lived no more then 2 minutes down route 303 near it’s intersection with olde 91. in 1986/7(the 2 years i lived there)i would have been in high school, used to go to games almost nightly in the 4th quarter when you could get in for free, would go to puffers, and load up free food too. and i never met a beer vendor who would card me, there was never anybody in the brown yellow and orange seats, so everyone welcomed the sales, even to a minor(it was a different day too). but if you sold beer, you sold beer to me, i guarantee. how about those apples jim vilk? i could get into stories, but better not. and by the way jim vilk, i want that coliseum usher’s patch more then my next breath! seriously.

working out the kinks on the curling adaptations. if it goes well, i will let you know.[/quote]

Send me an email with your address. If I don’t have a spare patch lying around here then my brother does.

I did indeed sell beer. Not often, usually for the big games. Towards the end of my time we had to card, but yeah, I think we eyeballed it for a while. Wow, small world…

I got in free to a couple of games as a kid. Tom dated an usherette (yep, that’s what we called the ladies), so even when I bought a $2.50 ticket (the one advantage of the Ted Stepien era) she’d get me a floor seat if one was available.

It wouldn’t quite work to make an “I’m Calling It The Coliseum” shirt for “the Q,” but I’d like an “I’d Rather See ’em at The Coliseum” shirt…[/quote]

Aw man. I wish you had 2. I was taken with that patch as well. Kind of Canuckish.
Is that a brown one on the tan usher’s jacket?
Very Dee.

[quote comment=”343319″][quote comment=”343297″][quote comment=”343289″]those were my pineapples legs, i don’t wear silver soccer spikes, i wear black baseball spikes, and put brand new white laces in them per ricko’s rules for the playoffs. and yes, we finally won a game this year 12-2 against a team of clowns who like to heckle girls, it was more then satisfying. we lost game 2 something like 27-2, but it didn’t matter. we also had uw reader mathew “shaggy” robins(who already had a pair of the teams stirrups) fill in as our illegal ringer.

but more importantly, i loooooooooved todays column, and i O jim vilk. i always knew i liked the cut of his jib, but jim you worked at the coliseum eh? i lived no more then 2 minutes down route 303 near it’s intersection with olde 91. in 1986/7(the 2 years i lived there)i would have been in high school, used to go to games almost nightly in the 4th quarter when you could get in for free, would go to puffers, and load up free food too. and i never met a beer vendor who would card me, there was never anybody in the brown yellow and orange seats, so everyone welcomed the sales, even to a minor(it was a different day too). but if you sold beer, you sold beer to me, i guarantee. how about those apples jim vilk? i could get into stories, but better not. and by the way jim vilk, i want that coliseum usher’s patch more then my next breath! seriously.

working out the kinks on the curling adaptations. if it goes well, i will let you know.[/quote]

Send me an email with your address. If I don’t have a spare patch lying around here then my brother does.

I did indeed sell beer. Not often, usually for the big games. Towards the end of my time we had to card, but yeah, I think we eyeballed it for a while. Wow, small world…

I got in free to a couple of games as a kid. Tom dated an usherette (yep, that’s what we called the ladies), so even when I bought a $2.50 ticket (the one advantage of the Ted Stepien era) she’d get me a floor seat if one was available.

It wouldn’t quite work to make an “I’m Calling It The Coliseum” shirt for “the Q,” but I’d like an “I’d Rather See ’em at The Coliseum” shirt…[/quote]

Aw man. I wish you had 2. I was taken with that patch as well. Kind of Canuckish.
Is that a brown one on the tan usher’s jacket?
Very Dee.

Built a theremin? Really?[/quote]
yup. soldered togehter the circuitboard and all that shiznat.

[quote comment=”343221″]had a great time last nite meeting paul and fellow uni-watchers in cleveland (i was the guy who showed up after 9, btw). conversation ran the gamut from the ongoing sorry state of cleveland sports to the late, great “sisters chicken and biscuits.” thanks again, paul, for getting us all together!

ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE richfield coliseum content today, guys! i have many fond memories of being there… from the “miracle of richfield” (got to see the cavs defeat the bullets), to my very first concert (kiss in ’79), to my high school graduation in ’85. great venue, great location (albeit a bit off the beaten path and in the heart of the snow belt) and a lot of great events. r.i.p. coliseum![/quote]
I had a blast last night also! Paul went around and chatted one on one to everyone who showed up. Very classy!

jim~
maybe we can team up, and make one of these. give the video some time, you get a good look.

=bg=|
July 31, 2009 at 7:51 pm |

[quote comment=”343265″]I’ve come to love the misguided efforts of Chris Creamer and UniWatchblog.com’ers who continually criticize team uniforms—and then decide to do their “own” versions, in this case the Bengals.

[quote comment=”343334″]it appears as though i spoke to soon about the mets in pins

because tonight is latin appreciation night

which means

los pinstripes[/quote]
And el worst Latino special jersey in the bigs. The Cerveceros and the Gigantes obviously take the time to make special jerseys, as did Los Rangers in their “old-school script meets double-decker nightmare on front” jerseys. The Los Mets jerseys look like regular Mets jersey with “Los” slapped on and squeezed in five minutes ago. Just looks lame.
And in off-the-field hi-jinks, two days ago, I was at “Shea” to see the Mets and Rockies get rained out before the first pitch. I saw a fan wear the worst jersey I’ve ever seen. An authentic modern gray Mets roadie with the Inaugural Season pizza patch on the right sleeve. Now we all know the pizza patch doesn’t go on the gray tops, but to add insult to injury, this fan’s pizza patch was straight up and down, not on the diagonal like it should be. Just terrible.

anotherguy|
July 31, 2009 at 8:15 pm |

[quote comment=”343329″]
A JOHNSON BY
ANY OTHER NAME…
[/quote]
Ricko, on behalf of the entire blog I want to say that no, we have no interest in seeing your “Magic Johnson”.

Patrick in MI|
July 31, 2009 at 8:17 pm |

Excellent post today about the Richfield Coliseum and the treasures you got from it, Jim. I always thought it was an odd place for an arena, so far out in the sticks. And speaking of Cleveland, I’m watching the Indians game right now and can see the “one cap per inning guy” in the crowd. I know this was covered in the past but I’m too lazy (and I’m getting ready to leave) to look it up.

Bernard|
July 31, 2009 at 8:40 pm |

[quote comment=”343318″][quote comment=”343317″]The Indians should just go with no NOB from now on. Even with a program, no one’s going to know who’s playing for them. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4369463
No truth to the rumor that Slider the mascot is being shopped around for three minor league mascots…[/quote]

Ditto for Pirates.[/quote]

The latest rumor here in the Burgh is the Pirates are working on a deal to send PNC Park to Minnesota for three rows of Metrodome seats and a gallon of Kool-Aid. The major hang-up is “grape” vs. “cherry”…

anotherguy|
July 31, 2009 at 9:07 pm |

[quote comment=”343338″]
The latest rumor here in the Burgh is the Pirates are working on a deal to send PNC Park to Minnesota for three rows of Metrodome seats and a gallon of Kool-Aid. The major hang-up is “grape” vs. “cherry”…[/quote]
Hold out for the Baggie.

Ricko|
July 31, 2009 at 9:15 pm |

Wow, the two games I’m getting tonight—Yanks at White Sox, Angels at Twins—both have the home team in all white (with pins, obviously) and the visiting team in all gray.

[quote comment=”343317″]The Indians should just go with no NOB from now on. Even with a program, no one’s going to know who’s playing for them. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4369463
No truth to the rumor that Slider the mascot is being shopped around for three minor league mascots…[/quote]

But they are still beating the Tigers

JimV19|
July 31, 2009 at 9:40 pm |

[quote comment=”343330″]jim, i meant to ask earlier…
how come you have not incorporated that stadium replica into one of your pieces?[/quote]

That was the first thing I thought of when I saw it. If it were a model of the Coliseum instead of the Q I would have done more than think. Took me a few years to accept reality and go to a game at the Q, but I still have issues with the place. Also, the model is freakin’ heavy.

While writing this article I got the idea that I could make it into a baseball stadium. That never occured to me before, but I think that’s more do-able.

aflfan|
July 31, 2009 at 9:41 pm |

According to the graphics they keep showing on the screen during the Tigers game, Washburn will wear number 57.

OK, away for a while, back for some quality time with my vibraphone.[/quote]

Ah, you remembered!

Vibraphone, huh? Can you play the solo from Moonlight Feels Right? If I had to have one song from the 70s, that’s the one.[/quote]
Sorry Jim, have no idea what song you’re talking about. Remember, I’m so young, Ricko was born older than my current age. ;-)

Ricko|
July 31, 2009 at 10:00 pm |

Cabrera will join Twins in time for tomorrow’s game and, according to the team’s website, keep his #18.

—Ricko

JimV19|
July 31, 2009 at 10:02 pm |

[quote comment=”343332″]jim~
maybe we can team up, and make one of these. give the video some time, you get a good look.[/quote]

THAT just blew my mind. WOW. Puts the ol’ curling game to shame. I had ideas of building a combination stereo/scale model of the Coliseum (pretend the music or sporting event is coming from inside), but to combine a keyboard and a hockey game – genius.

[quote comment=”343346″]Cabrera will join Twins in time for tomorrow’s game and, according to the team’s website, keep his #18.

—Ricko[/quote]
I wouldn’t be so sure. Those team websites are generally slow to change certain “unknown” characteristics. Don’t know how to properly articulate this thought, but basically, don’t count on Hal Gill wearing #2 and Scott Gomez wearing #19 for the Habs as each did with another team last year. The team website WILL be wrong on those examples because #2 and #19 are both retired numbers.
(Unless the Twins had no #18 and Cabrera could just take it without a problem. Then everything I just said would be a moot point.)

JimV19|
July 31, 2009 at 10:07 pm |

[quote comment=”343345″][quote comment=”343306″][quote comment=”343304″][quote comment=”343289″]Vibraphone, huh? Can you play the solo from Moonlight Feels Right? If I had to have one song from the 70s, that’s the one.[/quote]
Sorry Jim, have no idea what song you’re talking about. Remember, I’m so young, Ricko was born older than my current age. ;-)[/quote]

Yeah, the batter is how I figured out the year. I’m not that great at this, but that was pretty fun.

Ricko|
July 31, 2009 at 10:19 pm |

[quote comment=”343348″][quote comment=”343346″]Cabrera will join Twins in time for tomorrow’s game and, according to the team’s website, keep his #18.

—Ricko[/quote]
I wouldn’t be so sure. Those team websites are generally slow to change certain “unknown” characteristics. Don’t know how to properly articulate this thought, but basically, don’t count on Hal Gill wearing #2 and Scott Gomez wearing #19 for the Habs as each did with another team last year. The team website WILL be wrong on those examples because #2 and #19 are both retired numbers.
(Unless the Twins had no #18 and Cabrera could just take it without a problem. Then everything I just said would be a moot point.)[/quote]

Twins don’t have a #18, and he’s already listed on the 40-man roster as #18….at the site.

OK, away for a while, back for some quality time with my vibraphone.[/quote]

Ah, you remembered!

Vibraphone, huh? Can you play the solo from Moonlight Feels Right? If I had to have one song from the 70s, that’s the one.[/quote]
Sorry Jim, have no idea what song you’re talking about. Remember, I’m so young, Ricko was born older than my current age. ;-)[/quote]

Yeah, just noticed you were born when Jordan’s shot beat the Cavs at the Coliseum. Ping! Another gray hair just popped up on my head…

By the way, thanks to everyone who liked the article. It was fun to write, and it was fun digging through Tom’s stuff. One side benefit: while going through his boxes, I found a bag with some other sports items…and something shiny. I looked at him and asked, “Is that a ring?” “Yeah…that was my wedding ring. I was just wondering the other day where that went.”

—Ricko[/quote]
Not yet. Need more original compositions. :-/[/quote]
PS: There’s more stuff…just click on my name right by the comment number. I always keep the URI set to my MySpace.

rpm|
July 31, 2009 at 11:30 pm |

[quote comment=”343347″][quote comment=”343332″]jim~
maybe we can team up, and make one of these. give the video some time, you get a good look.[/quote]

THAT just blew my mind. WOW. Puts the ol’ curling game to shame. I had ideas of building a combination stereo/scale model of the Coliseum (pretend the music or sporting event is coming from inside), but to combine a keyboard and a hockey game – genius.

How’d you say it before…my head just essploded![/quote]
ha, yes, essplode, but this guy’s work might even dedserve one more s’s and o’s… esssplooode

OK, away for a while, back for some quality time with my vibraphone.[/quote]

Ah, you remembered!

Vibraphone, huh? Can you play the solo from Moonlight Feels Right? If I had to have one song from the 70s, that’s the one.[/quote]
Sorry Jim, have no idea what song you’re talking about. Remember, I’m so young, Ricko was born older than my current age. ;-)[/quote]

Yeah, just noticed you were born when Jordan’s shot beat the Cavs at the Coliseum. Ping! Another gray hair just popped up on my head…

Listening to your stuff right now – outstanding!

Guys, check out Mike: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5Va5TtpCTc%5B/quote%5D
mike! that is awesome. you are not anywhere near chicago are you? if so, i need a band for an art show, would you be interested? are you familiar with a band that i don’t think is around anymore called 5 style?

OK, away for a while, back for some quality time with my vibraphone.[/quote]

Ah, you remembered!

Vibraphone, huh? Can you play the solo from Moonlight Feels Right? If I had to have one song from the 70s, that’s the one.[/quote]
Sorry Jim, have no idea what song you’re talking about. Remember, I’m so young, Ricko was born older than my current age. ;-)[/quote]

Yeah, just noticed you were born when Jordan’s shot beat the Cavs at the Coliseum. Ping! Another gray hair just popped up on my head…

Listening to your stuff right now – outstanding!

Guys, check out Mike: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5Va5TtpCTc%5B/quote%5D
mike! that is awesome. you are not anywhere near chicago are you? if so, i need a band for an art show, would you be interested? are you familiar with a band that i don’t think is around anymore called 5 style?[/quote]
Unfortunately, Robert, I’m not even in your time zone. I live in NYC and study in Montreal, so I can’t do your art show.

OK, away for a while, back for some quality time with my vibraphone.[/quote]

Ah, you remembered!

Vibraphone, huh? Can you play the solo from Moonlight Feels Right? If I had to have one song from the 70s, that’s the one.[/quote]
Sorry Jim, have no idea what song you’re talking about. Remember, I’m so young, Ricko was born older than my current age. ;-)[/quote]

Yeah, just noticed you were born when Jordan’s shot beat the Cavs at the Coliseum. Ping! Another gray hair just popped up on my head…

Listening to your stuff right now – outstanding!

Guys, check out Mike: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5Va5TtpCTc%5B/quote%5D
mike! that is awesome. you are not anywhere near chicago are you? if so, i need a band for an art show, would you be interested? are you familiar with a band that i don’t think is around anymore called 5 style?[/quote]
Unfortunately, Robert, I’m not even in your time zone. I live in NYC and study in Montreal, so I can’t do your art show.[/quote]
Did you ever run into a musical group, works out of Kansas City, calls themselves Four Jacks and a Jill?

They’ve been at a Ramada Inn there for about 18 months. If you’re ever in Kansas City and you want to hear some good music you might want to drop by.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
You live in New York but you study in Montreal? And I thought my daily commute was a bitch.

OK, away for a while, back for some quality time with my vibraphone.[/quote]

Ah, you remembered!

Vibraphone, huh? Can you play the solo from Moonlight Feels Right? If I had to have one song from the 70s, that’s the one.[/quote]
Sorry Jim, have no idea what song you’re talking about. Remember, I’m so young, Ricko was born older than my current age. ;-)[/quote]

Yeah, just noticed you were born when Jordan’s shot beat the Cavs at the Coliseum. Ping! Another gray hair just popped up on my head…

Listening to your stuff right now – outstanding!

Guys, check out Mike: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5Va5TtpCTc%5B/quote%5D
mike! that is awesome. you are not anywhere near chicago are you? if so, i need a band for an art show, would you be interested? are you familiar with a band that i don’t think is around anymore called 5 style?[/quote]
Unfortunately, Robert, I’m not even in your time zone. I live in NYC and study in Montreal, so I can’t do your art show.[/quote]
Did you ever run into a musical group, works out of Kansas City, calls themselves Four Jacks and a Jill?

They’ve been at a Ramada Inn there for about 18 months. If you’re ever in Kansas City and you want to hear some good music you might want to drop by.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
You live in New York but you study in Montreal? And I thought my daily commute was a bitch.[/quote]

may i start by saying how thrilled we are to have mike here…we are such fans of his music and all of his records…i’m not speaking of his personally, but the whole genre of the rock and roll

Hibbsy|
August 1, 2009 at 3:24 am |

I went to the Cardinals’ game tonight.
Man.
I don’t like going to sporting events.
They are boring.
Big time boring.
We left early to hang out with friends, and hanging out with friends was infinitely better.
My attention span is shit.

J Roc and the Roc Pile? See what sayin? Know what I’m sayin? See what I’m sayin?

Hibbsy|
August 1, 2009 at 3:30 am |

Went to Arlington Hardware to buy some electrical tape.
It’s all down hill from here.

Fuck DIY

We jam econo.

digizak|
August 3, 2009 at 1:28 pm |

I am a Bowling Green State University grad and the old score board from the Richfield Colisem is now in Anderson Arena. Here is a link with an image of it. You can see it at the bottom of the page.