Riddler is a purely mental enemy, impossible to make a film full of action with him in the center if treated serious and respectfully.

Penguin is a similar case, if treated with seriousness and realism he is just a mob boss/corrupt businessman. His interest is his personality, not his paraphernalia, I see very difficult to shoot an spectacular blockbuster with him without killing umbrellas and flying robot-penguins (like in the end of Penguin: Pain and Prejudice, an evident commercial imposition).

riddler is a purely mental enemy, impossible to make a film full of action with him in the center if treated serious and respectfully.

Penguin is a similar case, if treated with seriousness and realism he is just a mob boss/corrupt businessman. His interest is his personality, not his paraphernalia, i see very difficult to shoot an spectacular blockbuster with him without killer umbrellas and flying robot-penguins (like in the end of penguin: Pain and prejudice, an evident commercial imposition).

The Owls storyline is terrible. Like most of Snyder's Batman run in the New 52.

A lot of the comic storylines are for the most part, terrible, with some really great stuff in between the horrid stuff. If we get a shadowy organization, I'd rather it be the Court of Owls than the League again.

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The first half of the Owls storyline is fantastic. The second half is a major disappointment. All that hype over the Court of Owls is reduced to nothing. The first half creates this really high intense "How will Batman manage to take this on?!?!" stake that is just thrown out the window in like one page.

If they want to adapt Court of Owls, they have to seriously do some major changes to the second half. A much more interesting idea is to have it be revealed that the Court of Owls was a false conspiracy Lincoln March/Thomas Wayne Jr. fabricated just to f*** with Batman's mind. That would have been infinitely better of an idea IMO.

Thing is, even with that was what happened in Court of Owls, it is still very uninspired, as that story only concluded 3 years earlier with the Black Glove, a massive organisation headed by Thomas Wayne hidden away by Thomas Wayne (Bruce's father) in Willowood Asylum and fabricating stories of the Wayne's which tarnished their reputation.

Beside a good mystery being built in the first half, it's generally a crap storyline that's a poor man's Black Glove and really poor man's League of Assassins.

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A lot of the comic storylines are for the most part, terrible, with some really great stuff in between the horrid stuff. If we get a shadowy organization, I'd rather it be the Court of Owls than the League again.

The Black Glove would be a superior choice. But I'd rather no organisations as a threat for a while.

If they can pull "The Black Glove" with getting the audience to think that Bruce's father faked his death and question whether Thomas had Martha killed while also involving some villains like Killer Croc, Penguin, CLayface, etc then you could have an awesome mystery Batman film where you don't know who is telling the truth and who isn't. Batman himself could has a sort of psychological breakdown thinking what he knew all his life could be a lie. Add in some supporting characters like Alfred ("is he really Bruce's father" questioning), Tim Drake (trying to help sort things out being the great detective he is), Dick Grayson (providing his own form of emotional support), and maybe even Barbara and you'd have one epic film! The controversy of the questioning of Bruce's true father, is his father alive, etc (for those who don't know the comic origins) would get people talking for sure!

Riddler is a character so difficult to write in a serious (not necessarily realistic) way, I guess they won't use him in future movies, neither Penguin. I don't imagine Warner and DC adapting them to the serious treatment Nolan has imposed with his saga...

You are almost solely alone on this. And based on how General Zod was portrayed, i would say you are out of luck.

It's a world with Superman, General Zod, probably Wonder Woman and the Flash at least. Riddler and Penguin are easy. If they can do Joker, they can do Riddler/Penguin. It's not like we're talking about Man Bat or Mr Freeze. This IS a world that has super-powers after all.

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Lately, I've been leaning back towards Hugo Strange and his obsession with both Bruce Wayne and Batman due to several people feeling as though Batman himself is often "uninteresting" or not as appealing as the villains in his films. I think Hugo could kill two birds with one stone so to speak by not only having a sick obsession but also showing the audience that Batman isn't just a guy in a suit and high tech gadgets. This way his orgin can be touched on without spending much time on another retelling. An interpretation of the Wraith would be a great but unlikely choice as well.

I think that Dick Grayson's orgin story and his relationships with both Bruce Wayne and Batman would also keep the character development of Batman interesting. Besides Tony Zucco,the Penguin or Black Mask could easily
be incorporated as his employer and Killer Croc would fit perfectly given the circus aspect of Dick's story.

While not a full on villain, if the next movie is set in tune with the idea that Batman is a seasoned veteran, Jason Todd as the Red Hood with the Joker and Ra's Al Ghul in flashbacks is where I'm leaning towards today.

Lately, I've been leaning back towards Hugo Strange and his obsession with both Bruce Wayne and Batman due to several people feeling as though Batman himself is often "uninteresting" or not as appealing as the villains in his films. I think Hugo could kill two birds with one stone so to speak by not only having a sick obsession but also showing the audience that Batman isn't just a guy in a suit and high tech gadgets. This way his orgin can be touched on without spending much time on another retelling. An interpretation of the Wraith would be a great but unlikely choice as well.

I think that Dick Grayson's orgin story and his relationships with both Bruce Wayne and Batman would also keep the character development of Batman interesting. Besides Tony Zucco,the Penguin or Black Mask could easily
be incorporated as his employer and Killer Croc would fit perfectly given the circus aspect of Dick's story.

While not a full on villain, if the next movie is set in tune with the idea that Batman is a seasoned veteran, Jason Todd as the Red Hood with the Joker and Ra's Al Ghul in flashbacks is where I'm leaning towards today.

I think the audience is fully aware nowadays that he's more than that.

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Most of the audience does know this but recent comments from Matt Damon and Quinten Taurrintino namely, speak for a portion of the audience that doesn't. Either way,I don't want the next film to lose Batman as it's central character.

Not really. 2 people don't speak for a large portion of an audience. Im sure batman will remain the central character otherwise Affleck probably wouldn't touch this role. Especially if he's directing the thing himself.

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General Zod is portrayed like superman as an alien race invading earth. Based on a character like that, you really think having a guy like riddler who is just a normal man obsessed with mental puzzles or Penguin which could easily be a mob boss or a guy with either mutation or disfiguration would be hard to do?

I voted for Killer Croc in this thread, but the more I think of it, It would be awesome to have The Court of Owls featured in the next solo Batman film as well.

With the Court of Owls you could touch on Dick Grayson's past and slowly integrate Robin/Nightwing into the fold.

With The Court of Owls & Killer Croc the film could totally have a Horror/Mystery vibe to the storyline

I feel as though some of Batman's older villians have become a bit out dated and wouldn't really stand up in a film by themselves. A few examples would be The Riddler & The Penguin.

The Penguin is great as a small minor character to have. Bring in the Iceberg Lounge and have him in a cameo roll throughout the solo films, but as a major villain he just doesn't seem to be a major threat.

I disagree when you say that about Penguin. Riddler, I sort of understand, because im not really a fan unless the writing is really top notch or in the case of animation/live-action...if the actor is somebody I like. But Riddler has incredible money-making potential so don't think WB wont go for it even if he might be dated.

Penguin on the other hand might look like a character out of the 1940s, but all you have to do is read "Penguin: Pain and Prejudice" to see the story potential and play Arkham City to know that there's still an appetite for Oswald.

He works incredibly well as a side character, like you said. But I do think he can be an incredible threat to Batman or Gotham in an unpredictable way.

They can make him somewhat responsible for the Grayson murders. If not that, then the hits he pulls off as a mob boss can get so personal and sickening that it can be a great detective story for Batman without getting into the "mystery clue game" that is the Riddler. Which sometimes feels close to Joker. With Penguin, you can get into his backstory, do nightmarish sequences or scenes of him being delusional. Such as looking in the mirror and seeing a completely different person (physically the opposite of what he really is). All very interesting stuff. Make him be the definition of what Gotham's organized crime has become over the decade or so that Batman's existed. Which was the only other thing I wanted to see in Nolan's movies but now it can be more suitable.

There's great parallels between Wayne and Cobblepot too. So I prefer him in the next movie over Croc or the Owls.

Court of Owls? Im down for that don't get me wrong. But it may be too close to the League of Shadows which we've seen bookend the last series. Croc? We've seen the Lizard last year, we've seen Bane and even Penguin as a sewer dwelling "monster" to know that there's not much in the original category for Waylon Jones.

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Honestly, I'm surprised so many people are writing off The Riddler. The way I see it, The Riddler could be written in the same vein as Simon from Die Hard 3. Now that, that would be bad ass to see.

Having Batman solving all of these riddles around Gotham trying to figure out what the end game of the Riddler was. In my opinion, it'd be pretty awesome! And as for action, Die Hard showed that you can have plenty of action stem from riddles.

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I'm looking forward to seeing that film that the pictures show. Where she plays a girl who's snapped after seeing the man who abused her as a kid again.

I'll keep my judgement on her.

But reflecting, I'd honestly think she has Harley potential.

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