I'm a bit surprised that Memphis wouldn't want him considering he's an expiring. It's a quick way of freeing up a lot of cap space. He would also have an instant connection with M Gasol. Curious as to what Memphis would want from Toronto if they don't want Jose. I hope its Bargnani

I'm a bit surprised that Memphis wouldn't want him considering he's an expiring. It's a quick way of freeing up a lot of cap space. He would also have an instant connection with M Gasol. Curious as to what Memphis would want from Toronto if they don't want Jose. I hope its Bargnani

They don't want anything from toronto other than ED, TR, or JV. Of those only ED better be available.

Calderon is a good player but his contract is so large on the books that they are then really limited in addressing the hole at starting SF. Backup wings continue to be an issue as well as a lack of 3pt shooting.

This was always going to have to be a 3 or 4 team trade. Calderon and ED was never and will never cut it for Gay.

They don't want anything from toronto other than ED, TR, or JV. Of those only ED better be available.

Calderon is a good player but his contract is so large on the books that they are then really limited in addressing the hole at starting SF. Backup wings continue to be an issue as well as a lack of 3pt shooting.

This was always going to have to be a 3 or 4 team trade. Calderon and ED was never and will never cut it for Gay.

Toronto
- Gay becomes legit starting SF and #1 scorer
- still have Bargnani/Amir at PF, Gay/DeRozan/Ross/Fields on the wings and Lowry/Lucas at PG
- could even trade 1 or 2 2nd round picks to Boston and/or Memphis, if need be, to further sweeten the pot

I'm a bit surprised that Memphis wouldn't want him considering he's an expiring. It's a quick way of freeing up a lot of cap space. He would also have an instant connection with M Gasol. Curious as to what Memphis would want from Toronto if they don't want Jose. I hope its Bargnani

This whole thing is ridiculous. It made sense when you were talking about bringing Nash in and maybe another 2-guard. As it is, it makes no sense. Plus, consider Rudy Gay in all this: he would be leaving a team that could, if things fall right, challenge for the Western Conference playoff crown, to go to a team that won't even make the playoffs. I'm sure we'll get his best basketball....

This whole thing is ridiculous. It made sense when you were talking about bringing Nash in and maybe another 2-guard. As it is, it makes no sense. Plus, consider Rudy Gay in all this: he would be leaving a team that could, if things fall right, challenge for the Western Conference playoff crown, to go to a team that won't even make the playoffs. I'm sure we'll get his best basketball....

Gonna play devil's advocate here. There's 2 more years left in his contract plus this season. He'll be 29 when it's all said and done. He can get one more good contract. Instincts tell me he'll play his a$$ off for the Rap$$$.

ďThe saving of our world from pending doom will come, not through the complacent adjustment of the conforming majority, but through the creative maladjustment of a nonconforming minority.Ē - Martin Luther King

This whole thing is ridiculous. It made sense when you were talking about bringing Nash in and maybe another 2-guard. As it is, it makes no sense. Plus, consider Rudy Gay in all this: he would be leaving a team that could, if things fall right, challenge for the Western Conference playoff crown, to go to a team that won't even make the playoffs. I'm sure we'll get his best basketball....

I'm down with Gay on 2 conditions:

1) Lowry/TR/JV remains
2) DeRozan and Bargnani are moved - I'd rather pay Gay $18M for 2 years than Bargnani/DeRozan for 2/4 years.

To be honest I am not overly enthused by this deal or the rumours. Just talking about what the Twitterverse gives us.

I think his efficiency this year should be a concern. I know that concussions can have long term lasting damage on coordination, it actually gets worse as you get older. This sort of damage could easily show up in the FG% of the player and I am seeing warning signs when I look at the sudden drop this year, and Memphis shopping him.

The drop in his efficiency worries me. His PER is at 14.4 this year. That would rank him, 9th on our team (behind Alan Anderson).

I am not prepared to take this chance. Unless the asking price is seriously reduced.

1) Lowry/TR/JV remains
2) DeRozan and Bargnani are moved - I'd rather pay Gay $18M for 2 years than Bargnani/DeRozan for 2/4 years.

To be honest I am not overly enthused by this deal or the rumours. Just talking about what the Twitterverse gives us.

Fair enough. I would rather not pay any of them but I guess I would rather pay Rudy Gay than Derozan/Bargs, too.

I advocated considering a blockbuster this summer, along with trying to sign Nash, as an alternative to a full-on rebuild but I just can't get behind any half-ass plans like this one. To me, if you really want to win now, you have to do something similar to what Boston, Miami, the Knicks, Brooklyn have done recently. You can't just add Rudy Gay and hope for the best, which is what this feels like to me.

1) Lowry/TR/JV remains
2) DeRozan and Bargnani are moved - I'd rather pay Gay $18M for 2 years than Bargnani/DeRozan for 2/4 years.

To be honest I am not overly enthused by this deal or the rumours. Just talking about what the Twitterverse gives us.

Let's just say that what you're thinking is Twilight Zone-ish similar to my thinking. Scary actually.

ďThe saving of our world from pending doom will come, not through the complacent adjustment of the conforming majority, but through the creative maladjustment of a nonconforming minority.Ē - Martin Luther King

I think his efficiency this year should be a concern. I know that concussions can have long term lasting damage on coordination, it actually gets worse as you get older. This sort of damage could easily show up in the FG% of the player and I am seeing warning signs when I look at the sudden drop this year, and Memphis shopping him.

The drop in his efficiency worries me. His PER is at 14.4 this year. That would rank him, 9th on our team (behind Alan Anderson).

I am not prepared to take this chance. Unless the asking price is seriously reduced.

Fair enough. I would rather not pay any of them but I guess I would rather pay Rudy Gay than Derozan/Bargs, too.

I advocated considering a blockbuster this summer, along with trying to sign Nash, as an alternative to a full-on rebuild but I just can't get behind any half-ass plans like this one. To me, if you really want to win now, you have to do something similar to what Boston, Miami, the Knicks, Brooklyn have done recently. You can't just add Rudy Gay and hope for the best, which is what this feels like to me.

There will be another shoe to drop in the form of an Italian loafer.

It seems like Colangelo is doing all he can to deliver a final 1-2 punch.