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what i'm trying to say is that the EF provoked the colonies to retaliate with the way they handled politics, etc (see CCA) from Earth.

Spoiler for Gundam ZZ spoiler:

Spoiler regarding Dublin in ZZ Gundam.

The EF's leaders was a corrupted and arrogant group of people, of course Zeon got the amount of followers it did when you take a look at how the EF leaders ran things.

Zeon (and it's reincarnations) are in no way a good group of people,most of their leaders are insane and powerhungry maniacs, but they shouted change, and that's what alot of people wanted/needed, see Marida's conversation with Banagher towards the end of Unicorn episode 2

Just because you create something doesn't give you the right to abuse it and treat it like garbage.

see SGA: Replicators and Alterans/Ancients

who are to be blamed, the provokers or the provoked?

WOW! Politicians are corrupt and arrogant?! No way! What world is this?

"Hey fellow spacenoids, we are fighting for your freedom and independence from the evil Federation. So we're gonna kill you, your family and friends with poison gas so we can drop your colony on the evil Earthnoids! sieg zeon! "
From a logical standpoint, any democracy, regardless of corruption within the government, is infinitely better than any dictatorship, specially one that loosely resembles national socialist ideals.

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WOW! Politicians are corrupt and arrogant?! No way! What world is this?

"Hey fellow spacenoids, we are fighting for your freedom and independence from the evil Federation. So we're gonna kill you, your family and friends with poison gas so we can drop your colony on the evil Earthnoids! sieg zeon! "
From a logical standpoint, any democracy, regardless of corruption within the government, is infinitely better than any dictatorship, specially one that loosely resembles national socialist ideals.

Take a chill pill.

as i explained in the previous post, Zeon got as much support as it did because of the way the EF leadership acted towards spacenoids.

If the EF had given independence to the colonies, Zeon wouldnt have gotten as much support as it did, and the entire OYW and the followings Zeon uprisings could've most likely been avoided.

They want to attain legitimate independence, one respected by the Federation and acknowledging the freedom and suffrage of Spacenoids. Seceding doesn't rule out the possibility that the Federation would attack them, which was precisely what happened when they declared independence unilaterally under Zeon Deikun.

Yeah like someone said this is not what happened. The Feds merely placed economic and material sanction on Side 3. It wasn't until Deikun got assassinated by the Degwin Sodo Zabi that the Zabi family took over, converted the Republic of Zeon into the Principality of Zeon did Zeon declared full war on the Federation which led to the One Week War (where Zeon dropped colonies on the Earth etc).

Principality of Zeon in the UC universe had and always will be the symbol of pure twisted evil ideology (as if the whole based on Nazi thing didn't give it away already), pity the side stories always goes out of their way to make them look good and revise the history.

Most governments throughout history haven't allowed open secession without a fight. If you can secede for any reason, you have no government, just anarchy.

Of course, that's too simple. I'm not saying secession is illegitimate, but as Nationalist movements, Zeon and Neo-Zeon movements have been pretty barbaric in their secession efforts with the whole colony drop and other efforts.

I think I'm just over-thinting this. This franchise has probably just degenerated into mecha battles and shock value with no reasoning behind the actors in the various wars. It has just become a cash cow.

Seconds before the Shamblo was finally knocked out, it fired the mega particle gun at the Unicorn and Delta Plus. If the Shamblo was under a psycommu runaway during the Torrington attack, who was in control of the reflector bits (which BLOCKED the mega particle blast) at that moment of firing? Loni or Banagher?

Seconds before the Shamblo was finally knocked out, it fired the mega particle gun at the Unicorn and Delta Plus. If the Shamblo was under a psycommu runaway during the Torrington attack, who was in control of the reflector bits (which BLOCKED the mega particle blast) at that moment of firing? Loni or Banagher?

Do the reflector bits require a newtype to use? Or are they automatic?

And the theme continues. Those that fight, carrying the war of hatred because they feel like that's all they're defined. The last part was made to be a tragic end, and they milked it for what its worth. Well done. They really and utterly cracked Banagher so bad. That one brief second of hope was destroyed and overcome by reality. Sometimes a heartfelt speech and the encouragement of the souls of others can't even help but scratch the surface of what's going on-- something that's been rolling on for so many years, and claimed so many lives.

Holy crap I love the ED song; it suits the mood perfectly.

Well, I guess there was a lot of dialogue and info, and not as "actiony" as the last 2 OVAs, but I think it was worth it. Banagher is someone that quite literally fights for what he believes in to the very end. Regardless, this was an overwhelmingly strong performance again and of course the damned thing looks as spectacular as always. 9/10

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Char has not changed.

No, that is not what happened. Zeon was always the aggressor against the relatively passive EF.

From your point of view, yes. From mine, no. There is no said aggressor or what not in war.

And that's not even Char, he's a "Char". So maybe Char would have chosen some other way to fight the federation. Maybe he wouldn't even have bothered with the box, knowing so well that a box won't matter to a bunch of feddies even if all the space colonies rebel.