How is an induced scrund different from a normal scrund? I don't recall having that defined. Does it mean it was the result of your own inference? Perhaps it hasn't been defined yet and I am the first one to coin a new sub-term ;-)). What I mean is that I did not infer the scrund myself but somebody made me believe it was true

Were you gloating because you found out it was a scrund? Or were you gloating about something else? It was nice to find out it was a scrund for a reason which was related to the persons who caused it

If the first, were you gloating because you had originally been right (before it was "induced")I wasn't originally right because I had never realized the scrund could be a scrund - I just did not have any reason not to believe it? Or for another reason? This

So it involves someone (or something) named Robbie? Yes Is Robbie H/A/M? Yes to all Is he real? Yes Fictional? Famous?Yes Will identifying him (if it's possible) Yes, it is possible help figure out the scrund? I can't honestly tell yes - he is only an example of what the scrund was about - but it can certainly show you the right track

Hmm... I don't know too many poets, and don't want to resort to independent research, so...

Was the scrund about him himself? Yesish; he was just an example of a group the scrund was about His personal life? Yes His poetry? Yes How he wrote it? No What his poetry was about? Yes A particular poem? The scrund was not about a particular poem but a particular poem helped me to get rid of it

Robert Burns? (I swear, I thought of him, didn't look up a thing...) Yes, it was him; and if you want to look up anything, I won't mind Didn't he write the line about "the best laid plans of mice and men"? Yes indeed (although it was "schemes" not "plans") Is that line relevant? No

I don't know, I got confused, for a moment I thought you were saying you also had a scrund about that line, sorry... I was just smiling as I understood you had a scrund about the schemes/plans line and have just got rid of it. Did not mean it to confuse you and if I did, I apologize :-))

Based on one of his songs (or poems set to music)? Anything to do with the fact that much of Burns' writing was reworking traditional material and he only wrote parts of some songs commonly attributed to him? Auld Lang Syne and McPherson's Rant are both good examples.

Did you assume something about Burns' life? About his family? About Scots?

Based on one of his songs (or poems set to music)It was on the basis of one his poem set to music I realized that the scrund was a scrund? Anything to do with the fact that much of Burns' writing was reworking traditional material and he only wrote parts of some songs commonly attributed to him? No Auld Lang Syne and McPherson's Rant are both good examples.

Did you assume something about Burns' life? Yes About his family? No About Scots? No

I used to have a scrund about a group of people. Someone made me believe it was true and it never came across my mind to question it. When I've read a certain poem by Robert Burns, I realized that it was just a scrund, and was positively gloating about it. It had something to do both with his life and his poetry.

Rantin' Rovin' Robin? (Which is about Burns himself, and is one of my personal favorite songs.) A Man's a Man (which drew on his political views)? Do we need to get the specific poem? Is it a well-known one? Is it one he wrote entirely himself, or one which other writers or the folk tradition have added to?

Rantin' Rovin' Robin? (Which is about Burns himself, and is one of my personal favorite songs.) No A Man's a Man (which drew on his political views)? No Do we need to get the specific poem? Not necessarily - just the general notion would do as well - but it would be very helpful if you do Is it a well-known one? Not really, no Is it one he wrote entirely himself, or one which other writers or the folk tradition have added to? Just himself

Was your scrund about... ...Scottish people? Was it a stereotype? ...poets in general?

If neither of the above... The group of people your scrund was about, what they have in common, is it... ...something they all do? ...background or heritage? ...something biological? ...a physical feature? ...cultural? Social?

Was your scrund about... ...Scottish people? Was it a stereotype? No...poets in general? Yesish

If neither of the above... The group of people your scrund was about, what they have in common, is it... ...something they all do? The other way round...background or heritage? ...something biological? Yesish...a physical feature? ...cultural? Social? Yesish to both

Erm that's the only one I knew off the top of my head, but looking up a few-

Jean O Wert Thou in the Cauld Blast The Banks Of Bonnie Doon Love For Love

Any of these? No, I am afraid. There is something special about the poem I am referring to, and it is not a very well known one. Although it will certainly help if you knew which one it was, I think it would perhaps be quicker to focus on the general idea.

Was the scrund about infidelity? Monogamy? Natural abilities with women? Physical attractiveness (of the poet)? Physical attractiveness (of his love interest)? The reasons why the poet is attracted to someone? The attractiveness of a poet's talents? Romance? Courtship?

Was the scrund about infidelity? No but OTRT Monogamy? No but OTRT Natural abilities with women? You can call it this, I suppose :-)) Physical attractiveness (of the poet)? Physical attractiveness (of his love interest)? The reasons why the poet is attracted to someone? Yesish The attractiveness of a poet's talents? In a way... yes Romance? Sort of Courtship? Sort of

Clarification: "...something they all do? The other way round" -- do you mean the scrund is about something poets DON'T do?

If so, is the scrund that you thought they didn't something, when they actually do it? Or that you thought they all did something that they don't actually do? Or that you thought they all did something that really only some do?

Clarification: "...something they all do? The other way round" -- do you mean the scrund is about something poets DON'T do? Yes

If so, is the scrund that you thought they didn't something, when they actually do it? Yes! Or that you thought they all did something that they don't actually do? Or that you thought they all did something that really only some do? No to the rest

Or does "other way round" mean something else? No, you got it correct - see above

Poets don't have sex? Sort-ish of Don't remain loyal to a single partner? Don't cheat? Don't feel bad about cheating? Don't enjoy sex? But this is much closer Don't go for long periods of time without sex? Don't equate sex with love?

The somebody who made you believe it was true...an actual person you know? Yes - in fact, there was a group of such people, and there are much more actual people I don't know; it is quite likely you have met some of them I haven't An author? Someone in a movie? Someone on TV? A poet? No to the rest Does it matter? Quite so, yes; they were the reason why I was gloating and not just, say, amused

Teachers of a specific age group? High school? College? (I assume it's nothing younger if they're talking about sex, but is it necessarily either?) Of a specific subject? Math? Science? English? Social Studies? Or all teachers?

Do all teachers of the appropriate subject and age group teach this? Is it part of state or national education standards / guidelines / curricula? Is it just a commonly held belief among many teachers?

Teachers of a specific age group? High school? This College? And this (I assume it's nothing younger And you assume correctly if they're talking about sex I didn't say that they were talking about sex, did I?, but is it necessarily either?) Of a specific subject? Math? Science? English? This, and another subject as well you have not named Social Studies? No to restOr all teachers? No

Do all teachers of the appropriate subject and age group teach this If you are referring to the scrund, it's completely up to them; I'd say that many of them do? Is it part of state or national education standards / guidelines / curricula Difficult to answer. I'd say the standards etc. rather support that the scrund is taught to pupils; however, it's up to the teachers and they would not commit any breach of the curriculum if they do NOT teach the scrund. ? Is it just a commonly held belief among many teachers This is very close, I think?

Subject: Foreign language? Health? Drama? Art? Music? I realise my previous answer may have been a bit misleading; the other subject was literature, which can be considered a part of English and/or any other language

Hmm, so they led you to think something about the sex lives of poets without actually mentioning sex? Yes, this was exactly what they did. Interesting. Yes indeed, but true :-)). What did your teachers teach you about sex lives of poets?

What did your teachers teach you about sex lives of poets? absolutely nothing =)

I think you missed drop's questions

Common folklore says that poets are romantics, seducers, womanizers, ladies men, etc. Or else that they're homosexual. Your scrund seems to be the opposite of the first, and you said the second was irrelevant. So I'm very intrigued by what your teachers could have told you.

What did your teachers teach you about sex lives of poets? absolutely nothing =) That's the point :-))

I think you missed drop's questions Here they go :-))

Were you told rather "made believe" - nobody told this expressly that poets were generally... loners? ..."Stuffy"? Yes ...pure? This is closest...studious? Sort of ...nerdy? Yes

Common folklore says that poets are romantics, seducers, womanizers, ladies men, etc. Or else that they're homosexual. Your scrund seems to be the opposite of the first That's correct, and you said the second was irrelevant And this is correct too.. So I'm very intrigued by what your teachers could have told you. Basically the same they told you :-))

Does it have to do with a label that was applied to a certain group of poets Yes or a certain poetic movement No in school? Something like the Romantics or Postmodernists (but neither of those, of course)? But it was much more general

Were you told that they were never married? Never had girlfriends? or boyfriends? never had children? Never had a date? Nothing of the abovenever had a romantic encounter? This is quite close. I think you've already got the general notion - that the poets of the group in question were asexual, dull, boring creatures

Was the poem/song that got rid of the scrund a love poem to one of RB's girlfriends? It is not dedicated to any specific RB's girlfriend. And I am not sure whether I would call it a love poem, although it definitely is about love.

By the way, there are many more RB's poems which would have the same effect as the one I am referring to.

Is there more to be found out about how you got the scrund? Possibly not. If you can summarize how you think I've got it, I'll tell you whether you're right, or whether there is something more to be found out Are we to determine exactly what you were told? No Is it a play on words? No

Does the poem/song mention a specific word or phrase that debunked the scrund? Yes Or is it a general feeling in the poem/song? And definitely this as well

Hm, wait, we still don't know the group of poets, do we...? That's true Do I need to know anything specific about Burns, or poets like him, to be able to identify the group? Not really, just the general notion. It might help to know that this group does not include just poets, but prose-writers and playwrights as well.

And the poem/song contained sexual This (or at least romantic) references, which unscrunded you? Yes (btw a nice new word, this)

******************SPOILER******************

When I was in high school and then at University, I was unlucky enough to have literature and/or English teachers who were very serious about the classic authors, praising them highly, forcing us to learn by heart lists of their works, but never actually bothering to have us actually READ them, let alone to go through their work with us and help us understand WHY this particular author is so good.

I know it was not entirely their fault as I was old enough to make some investigations on my own, but it gave me the general impression that the "Classics" were a bunch of extremely boring, dull persons who never did anything interesting, and that their work was just like them.

I got rid of this scrund when I came across a tape with Robert Burns' poetry, with some renowned actor's voice reading it (I don't remember his exact name). The particular "unscrunding" poem was "Gi'e the Lass her Fairing". It completely changed my opinion as to the "Classic's" dullness.

Now, a serious, and I mean it, a SERIOUS warning. Please DON'T click on the links below if you are either:

- under the legal age of your country (yes, Gourami, YOU can now, if you wish to); - offended by foul language/indecency; - have a similar scrund I used to, and want to keep it;

However, you can still click on them even if any of the above applies, provided you declare on your word of honour that you don't understand Scottish dialect.

Haha, why thank you. Although, according to the motion picture industry, I was old enough for harsh language at seventeen. At 18, I could smoke, vote, join the army, get married without parental consent, and become involved in the pornographic industry. This year, the only added privelage is drinking, that I know of...

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