Lol more dangerously low tension, its all from that ONI master in Okayama.

The sizing is so weird. I wouldve expected a higher rise to counter the shrinkage. Youd have to size up 3 for them to fit but I guess all blue owl collabs are like that. Lol wtf at the 28s having a 6.35" hem presoak.

Is it just that the denim stays darker and for fading purposes? Also, after the denim shrinks from the hot soak, is there anything else to take into account before hemming? Thanks again for the knowledge.

The reason why I'm selling them is actually because they're skinny, and I'm trying to phase out of that now lol. It doesn't have to do with the blow out, but I wanted to ask because I wasn't sure if there was a quick fix to it meaning it shouldn't lower the price too much.
And I do see clothes and shoes in all sorts of condition being sold here or on ebay. As long as you disclose stuff I don't think there is anything wrong.
I'll probably start looking at APC new standard.

I'm sorry for coming across as harsh.

I get that vintage jeans from the 40s or something would be worth it; it's just that my jeans rub all over my thighs, and sometimes my balls get sweaty and stuff (I know this happens to everyone, right? right guys?) and of course I wear underwear, but I just can't imagine wanting someone else's jeans that have been worn more. To each their own though.

Is it just that the denim stays darker and for fading purposes? Also, after the denim shrinks from the hot soak, is there anything else to take into account before hemming? Thanks again for the knowledge.

No, the denim won't stay darker. Essentially you have people that have bought excessively into "dare-I-say-hipster" marketing tools used by modern clothing companies attempting to appeal to that inner desire for simplicity and "the old ways" to somehow suggest that their denim is different from cotton that's been used for over 140 years to make the same pants. Wear them at your leisure, wash them when they're dirty.

The amount of indigo lost (if any) on a preliminary soak is completely negligible and won't affect teh sikk fadez at all. It will tighten up the denim, sort out sizing (be it sanforized or not, either way), and will start you off with a pair of jeans in which you'll be able to tell immediately whether they fit you or not. There is no con here.

After soaking once, they should be good to hem. Enjoy your jeans.

Not soaking is believed to lead to "better" wear, usually meaning higher contrast fades in the lifetime of the denim. This is usually caused by the higher amount of starch in the garment coming straight out of the factory. Through wear (and washing) this starch is lost, making the jeans softer and more pliable. Essentially, they fit better, but that contrasty look can be diminished through excessive washing, where you essentially beat down the denim until they're Costco-wear.

However, keeping the starch in the jeans can be destructive to the fabric. The many cases on the board of crotch blowouts often results from 1) overly tight jeans 2) being worn without washing the fabric. The stiffness provided by the starch works both ways; as they fade and wear more, they literally fade and wear more, often prematurely dying because of the friction in the fabric. When washing your denim, the cotton gets stronger, and can hold up longer. Starched denim will eventually (in very broad terms), wear itself to death.

If you research the boards, there is no real noticeable difference between fades on washed denim or those who follow "don't wash for (insert time-period here)" advice. It depends more on you and your lifestyle what your denim will end up looking like.

Wash your jeans. You don't need to throw them in the washer every day after work, but if they smell, soak them. If you spill stuff, try to spot clean, or wash. Don't stress it.

Hope this helps at all. Basic principles: wash your jeans, but not too much. Less washings over the life of the denim are usually favorable for higher contrast wear. One exposure to water here or there, especially at the outset so as to nail down the fit, is negligible. Have fun - enjoy your denim.

Just bought the deep indigo denim in the 15 oz. from a forum member (thanks, d!) and am wearing it today. This thing is just stiff as can be. And it feels tighter than the same cut in my dirty fade. Having a hard time just putting my wallet in the back pocket. Amazing how just a couple of ounces can have a marked effect. Love 'em though.

Was looking to get some heavier jeans in the future, but I don't know if I can stand the breaking in process.

Lol more dangerously low tension, its all from that ONI master in Okayama.
The sizing is so weird. I wouldve expected a higher rise to counter the shrinkage. Youd have to size up 3 for them to fit but I guess all blue owl collabs are like that. Lol wtf at the 28s having a 6.35" hem presoak.

Size up one if you wear dry, size 2 if you want to hot soak.

You laugh at the small leg opening? You must not realize how many guys out there get their tapered denims tapered even more.

Hey guys. Just got my first pair of N&F Weird Guys, which are my first raw denim jeans ever. Still not sure if I should hot soak or not. I'm a little afraid of the fade being warped down the road after my first wash. Has anyone who decided not to soak noticed warping after their first wash?

Also, the waist is just perfect around my waist. Should I have gotten it tighter to anticipate stretching?

Hey guys. Just got my first pair of N&F Weird Guys, which are my first raw denim jeans ever. Still not sure if I should hot soak or not. I'm a little afraid of the fade being warped down the road after my first wash. Has anyone who decided not to soak noticed warping after their first wash?

Also, the waist is just perfect around my waist. Should I have gotten it tighter to anticipate stretching?

Have you considered reading the words that show up in between your questions?

I've been wearing the Oni collabs for about a month. These are slow movers, or I'm a slow mover. Does anybody have any fade pics? I'm curious how they could look later on down the road.

There's some pics on superfuture if you want to dig through the N&F thread there. I just got a pair of these too. How have they broken in a month down the road? Still slubby and really rigid or have they soften up some?

They have gotten soft, they have some areas that are still somewhat stiff. I love the texture.

Ya the texture is great! The inseam worries me since they are unsanforized and they are tighter in the thigh than I expected, wish that wasn't the case :(. I'm gonna try to sell them and go for the Japan Heritage 2 actually, should be a great pair of denim as well.