Full statement from Chad Gaudin’s lawyer

On January 27, 2013, Chad Gaudin was examined in the emergency room of a local hospital while experiencing symptoms believed to be related to acute renal failure due to a condition known as rhabdomyolysis. The symptoms included confusion, dehydration and loss of orientation and/or consciousness. Although he has been accused of improperly touching another hospital patient while on the premises that night, there are differing and exonerating versions of what occurred that have been reported by eye witnesses. Mr. Gaudin denies any unlawful conduct and has been cooperating with the authorities. I am confident that this matter will be resolved in his favor and because it is pending in court there will be no further comment.

Idgaf what this guy wants to do off the field. Who cares. It’s his personal life.

Lefty

The only person more disgusting than Chad Gaudin’s lawyer is Chad Gaudin.

channelclemente

Lefty,

wait for the facts is usually a good rule. You may be right, but it’s benefit of the doubt time in my book.

Lefty

CC: Oh, now it’s all clear. This must have happened during that horrible earthquake in Vegas in January. Or was it a bombing? I forget.

Poor Chad. Just an innocent victim of a horrible tragedy.

Johnny Disaster

RABBLE!!! I AM HERE TO EXPRESS TURGID OPINIONS!!!!

OJ

If the glove don’t fit, you must acquit

thefarnz

@CC (from previous thread) I prefer Malbecs from South America. Chile & Argentina to be exact.

I left the game to enjoy other things than watch Giants BB (which is very bad at this time).

Considering canceling my MLB package to watch the “free” game of the day instead of this nonsense.

Mike Singletary

WE WANT WINNERS !!!

GideonTownsend

I just love how people love to shake their heads, put their hands on their hips, and pass judgment before they know what happened!

The internet/twitter knee-jerk judgment and snarkiness to this report is almost as disgusting as the worst case scenario of what happened.

Doughnut

CC

The way we develop position players, something is going to need to change or it is not going to be as fun. I really enjoyed the years building up to our success since 2010 especially because we had some once in a generation type players coming up and mainly Tim Lincecum was the best. That guy wanted to win so bad he couldn’t be denied. But it could get ugly without the same type of pitching prospects. I do like some of our pitching prospects on the way up but most don’t have as high of a ceiling as bum and timmy and cain.
We do have a better foundation of big league talent on this team so I am not convinced this is going to be a full scale rebuild. I mean I am sure Buster Posey doesn’t expect to be rebuilding.

Walt kovacs

If the case was strong, why did it take 6 months to charge

Reaper

Tolbert going off right now. Saying he will do a segment every show about this incident to reflect that Gaudin shouldn’t be a part of org.

Mr. Whipple

CG, Please don’t squeeze the Charmin

Vote Hunter Pence!

Tom Synkowski

Well, if charges were filed, then Gaudin must be scum.

We know everything we need to know from reading two paragraphs.

kyle Perizi

At least the Gs didn’t get shutout .

I kid because I care .

Lefty

CC: Well, here are the facts that we do know. This happened in January. He was arrested then. They decided this week to prosecute him. I take it they must have done a pretty thorough investigation between then and now to decide to move forward with the case. The police have gone public with the story and an officer is an eyewitness to Gaudin’s behavior in the hospital.

Remember Sandoval’s incident? And Romo’s at the Vegas airport on New Year’s? In both cases, it took about a month before they announced they were not pressing charges.

So…”benefit of the doubt”? What, exactly, is “in doubt”? Whether or not Gaudin, a professional athlete who certainly looks like he’s healthy–he’s performing at a high level–was suffering just a few months ago from an acute, horrifying, extremely rare condition usually brought on by a trauma like an earthquake or a bombing? I mean, really. That’s ALL he can come up with? I guess if the Twinkie Defense worked for Dan White after he murdered people in cold blood, anything is possible.

Here’s what’s going to happen. They’ll BS around with this for awhile. The Giants won’t say or do anything while the “legal process” takes place. This probably doesn’t come to trial before the season ends. Then the Giants cut ties with him. Then he cops some kind of plea and avoids jail time, hoping he can convince some other team to give him a “second chance” after his “mistake.”

Polioptila Veintiocho

So, Gaudin seems likely to be the latest in the line of convicted felons on the Gnat roster.

Doughnut

So the Giants didn’t want to cut him to save money or did they even know

Up here in the Portland,OR area there are lots of local breweries, and I’ve imbibed at a few (too much I’ll admit) but never felt the urge to fondle a woman on a gurney (let alone one standing).
Chuck this guy, #4 SP or not
Make a statement, much like the Pats did with Hernandez!

Walt kovacs

The vote pence stuff is making me ill

kyle Perizi

Unless there’s film of CG committing the alleged act we shouldn’t be too fast with our coarse comments .

The Oracle

Spoken like a true defense attorney. Walt Kovacs has a point, though. Six months is a long time to make a charging decision, although DAs may take more time in cases where there is going to be extensive media coverage. The want to make sure of the strength of the case so they don’t end up looking foolish.

TSA Agent

I’m a TSA agent who currently is on paid-leave because of a groping allegation.

My union-rep says pat-downs are part of the screening process, and I shouldn’t worry.

Go Giants!

http://3renfrews@comcast.net robin

Huh?

Renal failure and hospital grouping

Giant baseball
a great time out

Rbrbs

Interestingly alcohol use exacerbates/can cause rhabdomyolysis. One of the other causes is the use of corticosteroids. Maybe some drug tests are in order to make sure we don’t get Melky’d again.

Mr. Bow Tie

May I provide some legal advice, or I’ll show up for your court date for moral support..

We will win the NL West!

Mall Food

Great. Now who’s going to be the third starter in the postseason?

Joamiq

Rhabdomyolysis is pretty terrible, and can be caused by an athlete being overworked. It’s way too early to be drawing any conclusions. That’s what the legal process is for.

channelclemente

Lefty,

I’m just saying it’ll be clear, and I’ve made so many conclusion jumping mistakes in my life, I choose to wait. He’ll be dumped if this is true, unceremoniously at that.

Mr. Chow

I thought what happen in Vegas, stay in Vegas?

Have you ever seen monkey in jail?

Giant #1

Doughnut

I guess the Giants would probably not be allowed to have cut him before the legal process is done.

kyle Perizi

Pence should put the kibosh on the AS talk himself . It’s comical at this point .

GideonTownsend

Joamiq and channelclemente are right. This knee-jerk reaction stuff .. to me .. is every bet as disgusting as the report!

H-Boston

channelclemente says:
July 10th, 2013 at 3:01 pm 120..

H-Boston,

I don’t know. Somewhere along the way, he was told, because of his height (6’4″-6’5″), he needed a compact swing to cover the inside of the plate..would be my only guess. Clark is 6’1″ or 6’2″, and apparently that makes a world of difference in swing cover. Someone has been tinkering with Belts swing though, most of the time, all that line drive topspin seems gone.

Thanks,

CC

http://yahoo Toe- Jamm

Gaudin not a bad guy he just made a mistake, give the millionaire a break.

M&P

Rbrbs,

Hey genius, before you going making assinine comments about something you know nothing about maybe you should do a little research.

Corticosteroids and anabolic steroids are two totally different things.

This post is not in any way meant to defend the actions of Gaudin.

H-Boston

A little bit of humor, I was on an on-line
dating site, to take your mind of the Giants woes

I messaged a girl, her response:

“I hate sports”, “I hate sports”

and I quote

Phil

Phil: Your password is baloney1?

Mr. Chow: Well, used to be only baloney, but now they make you add number.

Vote Hunter!

SuperDuper

So there is a question of if this behavior is criminal or not, it still doesn’t make it acceptable.

Insanity is a chemical imbalance, just because you are insane doesn’t mean you get to walk if you commit a crime. You go to a mental hospital, get evaluated and have to take the proper medication, depending on the seriousness of the crime you may have to remain in the hospital.

What you did while experiencing a chemical imbalance is still a crime…

Right?

If someone sexually assaults or gropes someone can they just say “i’m sick so it’s ok”?

channelclemente

Doughnut,

you’re right..a lot of uncertainty and complex decisions to be made. I think position players are the least of their worries, getting sound pitching that can be matured quickly is going to be hard. We’ve proven that the Giants strategy for developing a winning team, from what I would call modest talent, works. Nobody is going to let us loose in the midway the easy way. Aside from all the sour grapes, nutcases, and trolls, MLB GMs don’t like competeing against the Sabean-’Bouchy approach, especially in this arena.

It all comes down to being a little sneaky and clever.

Perry Mason

Nice to see that people like Lefty are in favor of streamlining the due process that all Americans are entitled to by being judge and jury based on a couple of blog posts. After all, the cops filed charges and they’re NEVER wrong, right?

Innocent until proven guilty? Nonsense. It’s on the Interwebs, so it must be true!

Doughnut

I would love for them to go the way of young starting pitching but it sounds like NOBODY is ready in the minors. I was listening to the Bobby Evan interview today while Radnich kept try to interrupt and talk about Puig (so annoying). Evans said they are going to need to bridge the gap till the pitchers are ready because they likely won’t be ready until sometime 2015.

I really don’t like spending on free agent pitchers because pitchers are in their prime a lot younger then position players. I think you get Bochy and rags some arms they will get results. The sooner the younger arms are ready the better.

I like Matt Garza but do they really want to spend a premium on him and others like him. I think he will do a fine job but the back end of any of these contracts may not be good. i think Garza is the best case scenario also and most of the pitchers I would not want to spend a lot on. It will be interesting what they do in the offseason to fill out the pitching and what kind of contracts they give out. Maybe they will look for 1 year deals?

channelclemente

IMO,

what needs to be judged in mMLB ball for the Giants is the topside of prospects, not how good they are now. That’s infinitely harder to do, but the good teams manage it, whether by eye, or with saber-science.

If the inside coverage of this eval is good enough, and Alex has all the skills/tools to do it, we can all learn a lot of really interesting stuff. Call me crazy, but this a great opportunity to learn a lot about an aspect of The Game few are shown.

Doughnut

An example of pitchers being in their prime younger is Matt Cain. He is not in his prime anymore I believe. They just signed him to an expensive contract at over 20m per for 6 years. He gave them 1 year where he pitched like a 20m pitcher and that was last year (what a year it was though) for which he was already under contract for.
I am a big Cainer fan but they overpaid like crazy for him. He was the highest paid RHP in history at the time of the deal. I think Cain is going to be a productive pitcher for the entire length of that contract or at least the majority of it (starting next year) but he will never be worth the 20m. He just does not have the dominating stuff that most pitchers who get paid in that class have.

July 24th (.500)

The Giants reach .500 after beating the Reds at home to extend their winning streak to 10 games on July 24th.

Beyond that, what do the Giants need to do to ensure the division title?

channelclemente

Doughnut, I think Cain is where Halladay was 5-6 years ago. He needs to change, and mature. It comes to all these guys, some adapt, some don’t. I’m optimistic about Cain, myself. I really like him. In many ways he reminds me of Carpenter (Cardinals) at this stage of his career. We can only hope. Remember Wainwright, another Cain-like arm, went through this 3-4 years ago.

Doughnut

Carpenter has had a lot of injury problems. I really hope you are wrong about Cain and he comes back after getting all that rest and is healthy. Really hope you are wrong that would be terrible news.

Cain will be fine I have no doubt as far as pitching performance. I am just saying he is not a 20mill pitcher. He doesn’t have the strike out stuff. He has adapted really well as far as pitching goes in my opinion. When he first came up all he threw was a fastball. He has come a looooong way since then and it has been very impressive watching him learn the game. Just don’t think he has a 20mill arm.

H-Boston

Doughnut says:

July 10th, 2013 at 5:02 pm 47..I would love for them to go the way of young starting pitching but it sounds like NOBODY is ready in the minors. I was listening to the Bobby Evan interview today while Radnich kept try to interrupt and talk about Puig (so annoying). Evans said they are going to need to bridge the gap till the pitchers are ready because they likely won’t be ready until sometime 2015.

I really don’t like spending on free agent pitchers because pitchers are in their prime a lot younger then position players. I think you get Bochy and rags some arms they will get results. The sooner the younger arms are ready the better.

I like Matt Garza but do they really want to spend a premium on him and others like him. I think he will do a fine job but the back end of any of these contracts may not be good. i think Garza is the best case scenario also and most of the pitchers I would not want to spend a lot on. It will be interesting what they do in the offseason to fill out the pitching and what kind of contracts they give out. Maybe they will look for 1 year deals?

Hey Doughnut,

When I was in the Bay Area
I listened to Gary Radnich and
Larry Krueger, before Krueger
got there it was a joke, you had
Dibbly, Mike, and Patrick picking
on Radnich, with no seriious sports talk
it was like the Kindergarden hour.

Marty to me is great, I always
learn something, same with Rick
Barry, I always learn something.

Reaper

Doughnut, not many pitchers period will be worth that much over the whole length of such a contract. It doesn’t make sense to lock pitchers into longer deals, but it’s just the state of play these days. It’s what teams do to try and contend.

Cain’s been my favorite Giant (unadulterated fanhood shinning through here) since he became a full fledged member of the rotation in 2006. Hoping he can get back on track.

Tim K has some brutal stats in his column comparing the A’s and the Giants:

The Giants are 3-1 in Madison Bumgarner starts since June 19 and they’re 1-14 when anybody else starts over that same period.
…
Over a shorter span, the Giants have lost their last 7 in a row not started by Bumgarner. The last time they won in a game not started by Bumgarner was a 2-1 extra-inning victory June 22 at home against Miami, a game started by Barry Zito.

Since June 19, the Giants are +5 in run-differential in the Bumgarner starts, and they’re -42 in the starts by the non-Bumgarners.

Kickham sent back down. I feel sorry for the kid, it seems like him and Noonan never get the chance to unpack.

Doughnut

Reaper

He has been great for this team and for many years doing it in Timmy’s shadow. It would really bum me out to hear he is injured. To me he is like a pillar of stability for this team. It would be a real gut punch. I think he will be fine especially pitching in this park and he will come back next year focused. But I think it is too much pressure on him to pitch like he is a top 5 pitcher in this league like he is getting paid like. I guess pressure can be good but it might be unreasonable.

I guess the Giants were worried somebody would sign him away and didn’t want to lose him. Even though he didn’t have a winning record he had numbers and playoff cred that was going to drive up his price with teams desperate for pitching so I guess they didn’t overpay by too much considering what the market would have been like. I agree you pay based on market forces and supply and demand and you rarely get value on these contracts but they are necessary to retain players.

The Giants, at 40-49, have the eighth-worst record in baseball right now. Their preseason Vegas over/under win total was 87.5.

The Giants are currently worse than the Cubs (40-48) and worse than San Diego (41-50), which just ended a 10-game losing streak,

E-B

i missed the game, but just got caught up w/ the threads.

most concerned about Cainers.

2 yrs ago…i think it was at the start of spring training…not sure…
he was shut down for a few weeks w/ something related to elbow and/or “loose bodies” in the elbow.

hope it’s not related to those bone chips.

————————–

re: Gaudin.
Terrible/shocking news.

————————-

over and out

carmot

I think the best remedy is to get offense. It seems like the Giants pitchers are taxed, and maybe that’s partly due to the fact that the offense isn’t scoring, so no pitcher can feel like he has a chance to win?

I don’t think it’s time to say Cain is no longer good. Rejuvenate the pitchers’ arms by getting some bats that can help put up runs.

Or, just tank for the protected draft pick. At least call up Gary Brown to fill-in at CF.

I think Giants management has an obligation to help keep fans excited and interested, and put a good product out on the field. Well, the season is a wash, so bring up some kids we would like to see. It could help us figure out our needs or our roster for 2014.

#CallUpGBrown

Walt kovacs

How many players have DUI convictions and are still playing? How many college rapists are in the NFL ? You people make me wanna scream

dj

investing/comitting huge portion of your payroll to pitching can be hazardous and destructive. as we all know, rotator cups/TJ unjuries are so common these days.

Doughnut

H-Boston

I don’t listen to knbr much because there are too many commercial breaks for my taste and not many guys worth listenting too. It was really obnoxious how Radnich kept interrupting what was good baseball talk by Bobby Evans. Kruger was asking good interesting questions and Radnich kept interrupting about Puig. STFUUUU!
By the way the Giants need to make Bobby Evans GM. He gets it. Some other team is going to sign him away one of these days. Give Sabean a piece of the club or make him a new title. Give GM to Evans. He is going to be get that job at some point, I just hope it is with the Giants.

kevin56

Is this blog turning into a Wag the Dog parody?

Doughnut

dj
I agree. I think drafting and developing young pitching is the way to go. Cheap and cost controlled almost until their prime. So much can go wrong signing guys in free agency who want long term deals for big money. It sounds like a good idea on paper.

I think one of the areas that Raghetti is so good is at teaching guys the right mechanics. We don’t have guys that throw as hard but they have really good mechanics. We have had no arm injuries pretty much over the last whatever years to the starting rotation. It is so rare to see that in the majors, it pretty much doesn’t happen. When they go back and look at major factor of success for big league teams it usually points to having consistent starting pitching that can eat innings and give you 200 innings/year. That is something this club does really well.

kyle Perizi

Happy 92nd birthday to Jake Lamotta ! Pretty incredible .

http://www.whenthegiantscometotown.blogspot.com DrBGiantsfan

If Gaudin was delirious from a medical illness, and it is certainly possible he was, he should have been treated for it at the time and there should be medical records to corroborate the claim.

Delirium can produce confusion, agitation and inappropriate behavior.

Let him have his day in court before we pass judgement.

Chin Music

Agree with what others have said about Gaudin. Looks suspect right now but let’s wait to see how it plays out before starting the vicious attacks. If it took this long to be charged, it could mean there was some doubt.

Rush to judgment stinks. None of us would want that if we were in a suspicious situation, and we knew we were innocent. No we wouldn’t.

3B – with no Panda, there is no free agent out there worth even calling. Hope to get a 3B prospect in the dump…. If you can’t find that, you might keep fat boy and hope that the free agent gold motivate a new fitness regime in walk year. Trade him next July if this project doesn’t work out. If you keep Panda instead of dealing him he’s $8.25M against the cap.

OF#1 – with no Pence, there are few free aqents worth pursuing. Choo perhaps? Maybe Rajai Davis comeback on 2 year for about $9M. Take a Flyer on Corey Hart coming back from knee surgery? Might be able to polish a turd here.

OF#2 – see comments above. I like a Davis/Blanco platoon in one spot but that means you need some other option beside Hart if you can’t have him. Pence is an Either contract waiting to happen. I like the guy, but peeling the onion and seeing this stretch I think he’s in for another miserable 2nd half.

SP#3 -with no Zito – free agents include: De La Rosa, Garza, Josh Johnson, Nolasco, E. Santana, Volquez, AJ Burnett, Tim Hudson: Any one of those guys can be acquired for less than $20M and improve the club.

SP#4 – with no Lincecum – see above. If Lincecum doesn’t fetch enough, and pitches out the string I wouldn’t go more than a 2 year deal at about $25M even if he keeps up the resurgence. I think he’ll want a fresh start, but if not, I might turn him into the closer for less than Papelbon is paid. Using that standard you might be able to get to $30M, but no more.

SP#5 – pick a winner from the Kids and let him compete with Vogey ($6.2M on the cap) if he shows any form in the second half. If not look of the likes of Capuano’s and Harang’s of the world to push the kid. Loser is the swingman.

Closer – with no Romo. Play Hembree now, see if he’s got it. If not options include: Balfour, Crain, Casilla (already under contract) and of course -Timmeh

Pen next year becomes wide open for roles but would include Affeldt, Casilla, Mijares. leaving 2 or even 3 spots up for grabs for the likes of

Dunning, Rosario, Machi, Runzler (call him up), Kickham, Kontos

Bench likely to include Arias and Abreu
OF – WIDE OPEN – 2 spots available. – try to dig in the bargin bin in January
C – WIDE OPEN – I don’t mind Q here. But also wouldn’t mind Jose Molina or Yorvit Torreabla who would be available. Sanchez IF and only IF he sees fitness Jesus after watching us jettison Pablo and gets healthy.

2014 Spring Training is now!

2holehitting

Surf City,

Greate points regarding starting pitching. I pointed similar stats regarding Bum vs no Bum and quality starts. They had 2 starts in which the starting pitching gave up 3 or less runs in 7 innings. The rest had 5+ runs in less than 6 innings. This was a dozen games

Todays line, right in line with the HORRID pitching the Giants have.

Nameless Bob

Lefty and others:

We have trials in this country. If you don’t give a damn about the rights of the accused ( someone you may yourself be someday) then we need to prove that the police are doing their job. Or do we just settle the matter when police and prosecutors decide someone is guilty? It would save a lot of time and money but I don’t think you would want to be on the receiving end of that kind of justice. The more serious the nature of the alleged offense, the greater the need for proof beyond reasonable doubt in a court room. Come on, this is basic civics.

ClutchUp

Sounds like a job for Sam

Sam, Sam he’s our man, if he can’t do it, nobody can.

Better swap out the 9 passenger for a bigger version

H-Boston

Lefty says:

July 10th, 2013 at 4:18 pm .The only person more disgusting than Chad Gaudin’s lawyer is Chad Gaudin.

Hey Lefty,

Is Glaudin on the trade block, or does a low
ERA negate bad behavior?

ClutchUp

Mr. DominicGentile is the founder and publisher of La Voce – the Voice of Las Vegas’ Italian-American Community. He is a founder of Nevada Attorneys for Criminal Justice, the Augustus Society, and he served two terms on the Board of Directors for the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers.

But

Many years ago there was a decent ball player named Jim Gentile who was born in San Francisco.

Do none of you have wives, daughters, sisters, or mothers? No compassion whatsoever for that poor girl who was lying on a hospital gurney when a total stranger sexually assaulted her?

Nameless Bob: You don’t need to talk down to me about civics lessons. I’m married to a lawyer. I can read, too. There are witnesses. It was a public place. The witnesses are not the young woman’s drunken girlfriends from a bar. They include the paramedic who tried to make Gaudin stop groping her and the hospital employees who had to subdue him when he refused to stop.

The story was printed in the main Las Vegas newspaper and has been picked up all over the country by reputable newspapers. The source of the story was a statement from the Las Vegas police. This is official, not some anonymous trash on Twitter.

Dr B, you just contradicted your own argument. If there’s medical evidence to corroborate Gaudin’s “illness,” there has been plenty of time for the DA to look it over before bringing charges and making it public. That suggests that there is no such evidence or it wasn’t convincing enough to drop the charges.

I know all about “innocent until proven guilty” and due process. Gaudin will get his day in court. But unless you believe that the Las Vegas police and HOSPITAL for some reason engaged in a vicious plot to frame poor Chad Gaudin, it is obvious that something very disturbing and troubling happened there. Just because a guy wears orange and black and has had few good starts doesn’t make it not so.

kyle Perizi

Whatever happened in that hospital will be determined by a court of law and not a court of public opinion . Let’s hope that justice prevails .

Good to hear from you Lefty .

Polioptila Veintiocho

“Many years ago there was a decent ball player named Jim Gentile who was born in San Francisco.”

I played softball with his sons, one of whom was a huge egomaniac, while the other was modest and soft-spoken. Both extremely talented.

giantsfan2

If Gaudin wasn’t a reliable starter, he would be released. I agree with Lefty’s comments. I would rather lose with high character guys than win with losers.

Nontechnical

I’m with Lefty and giantsfan 2 about Gaudin.

His documented actions, whether he is legally responsible or not, show an innate disrespect for other people, especially women.

Or in more technical terms, he is a sleazeball. I’m totally ok with the Giants facing their adversity without him.

His lawyer’s interview above is a fascinating mix of an effort to speak highmindedly, but with sleaze that keeps kind of bubbling up from underneath. Eccch.