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Pretty even-handed account of the state of Trek post-Into Darkness from Entertainment Geekly.

Writer seems to be saying (in part) that though the film did well, the creators (who went in with the best of intentions) are upset that the fans are not embracing the film whole-hardheartedly. The fan-creator divide seems more contentious than ever.

The upset fans are a loud minority, the majority seem to enjoy the movie.

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"Last month, the annual Star Trek convention in Las Vegas declaredStar Trek Into Darkness the worst film of the franchise."

This topic has been covered in another thread, so I won't rehash. This EW article loses credibility with this statement, IMO. They didn't do their homework.

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I'm most concerned that fanboy negativity is REALLY ruining our chances of seeing more quality films. Orci's defensive reactions are the case in point. Are we as a fan base collectively shitting where we eat?

The best thing Paramount can do is ignore us because some of us will never be happy. They could rebuilt the original sets, clone the actors and write the greatest hours of television ever seen by human eyes and a small group of fans could find something to complain about. They don't want to happy, they're miserable about something and want to drag everyone down to their level. It's sad, pathetic and annoying. Thankfully the majority of them are confined to the internet, much like that giant head that claimed to be God.

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I'm more excited about Trek now than I have been since I was a child and TNG was on. For a while, after Nemesis and Enterprise, I wanted nothing to do with the franchise. But Star Trek 09 rekindled it.

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Trek 09 rekindled it for me too, but STID quashed it for me. A 9/11 conspiracy movie, over 10 years after 9/11 felt forced and self serving for the writer (Orci). Also, regurgitating, multiple lines of dialogue, and entire scenes from TWOK didn't help.

Trek 09 rekindled it for me too, but STID quashed it for me. A 9/11 conspiracy movie, over 10 years after 9/11 felt forced and self serving for the writer (Orci). Also, regurgitating, multiple lines of dialogue, and entire scenes from TWOK didn't help.

Made the second half of the film more like a parody, than a tribute.

When I watched Star Trek Into Darkness, it was the most fun I had with Trek since seeing The Undiscovered Country in the theater in 1991.

No. I reject any logic which says that we are somehow at fault for allegedly making the situation worse. This didn't start with us. It started when the filmmakers apparently largely ignored our concerns that have been voiced repeatedly over the last few years. In other words, if popular complaints about the films somehow hurt our chances of getting any more quality films, is the problem really with us? Besides, if the films are making money, what's the problem?

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No. I reject any logic which says that we are at fault for somehow making the situation worse. This didn't start with us. It started when the filmmakers apparently largely ignored our concerns that have been voiced repeatedly over the last few years.

This makes no sense.

How many movie writers and directors consult the audience before making a film?

^^^ what gets me is that the creators now seem to think we're the target audience, the one's they need to please.

Nah they don't, but when producers and writers don't respond to "the fans", they are branded as cowardly and/or secretative. No-win scenario.

Bad Robot's team is making the films they like to watch, and their movies make plenty of money. The active Trek fanbase is a small part of the movie-going population, and always has been. And the tie-in licensees know that only 1%-2% of that audience buys the tie-ins.

We are very useful for generating free, positive word-of-mouth, though. You can't buy that kind of publicity. ST films with poor advance word-of-mouth (ST V, Insurrection, Nemesis) tended to sink. STiD tended to get poor word-of-mouth by the time it reached USA. Perhaps the gap between the Sydney and US premieres was too wide?