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ThisThe Guardian for this meeting was Mickorod Renard. The comments are by Mickorod Renard.

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Bleu Oleander: hi Eliza!Aphrodite Macbain: Hello!Eliza Madrigal: Bleu!Mickorod Renard: Hi FolksBleu Oleander: hi Aph, Mick, Eliza :)Eliza Madrigal: Hi Mick, Aph too :)Mickorod Renard: soz am lateEliza Madrigal: Hi Tura :)Bleu Oleander: hi TuraEliza Madrigal: I was away... signed on then dog squeaked to go outEliza Madrigal: but back :)Mickorod Renard: Hi Tura AphTura Brezoianu: hi allAphrodite Macbain: Hy TuraAphrodite Macbain: Happy New year to those I haven't said that to yetMickorod Renard: phew, claimed the logMickorod Renard: yayyy..happy new yearBleu Oleander: yes, happy new year!!Eliza Madrigal: happy new year :)Aphrodite Macbain: It's already11 days oldBleu Oleander: :)Eliza Madrigal: soon to be the year of the dogBleu Oleander: woofMickorod Renard: yesAphrodite Macbain: oh?Eliza Madrigal: :)Aphrodite Macbain: what are the dog's characteristics?Mickorod Renard: and for some creatures thats a lifetimeEliza Madrigal: I think earth dog.Bleu Oleander: don't tell Zoey that!!!Eliza Madrigal: is she a handful Bleu?Bleu Oleander: YEPEliza Madrigal: :)Aphrodite Macbain: more than other puppies?Mickorod Renard: what breed Blue?Eliza Madrigal: um, not sure all of them Aph, but loyalty is oneBleu Oleander: 70 lbs of puppy brainEliza Madrigal: omgoodnessAphrodite Macbain: ImpressiveBleu Oleander: Bernese Mountain DogTura Brezoianu: a lot of dogEliza Madrigal: :)Bleu Oleander: she's just 10 mosMickorod Renard: yikesAphrodite Macbain: will she double in size?Eliza Madrigal recalls a recent photo shared of someone's ottoman taken as dog toyBleu Oleander: hopefully not Aph :)Aphrodite Macbain: lolMickorod Renard: is that like a st bernard?Bleu Oleander: somehow we missed the small window of opportunity to get her under control before she got big LOLEliza Madrigal: ah, like me with my kidsEliza Madrigal: ^.^Bleu Oleander: haha!Tura Brezoianu: so it takes you for a walk?Bleu Oleander: yepEliza Madrigal: she's gorgeous though, has a very sweet faceEliza Madrigal: must be hard to draw limitsBleu Oleander: she is ... ty!Bleu Oleander: yes a challengeMickorod Renard: them st bernars you put a barrel of spirits around its neck..so u have a mobile barEliza Madrigal gigglesEliza Madrigal: sounds like one would need oneBleu Oleander: fortunately they're not as big as St. BernardsMickorod Renard: you could put an honesty box on too and make some moneyEliza Madrigal: what's that Mick?Bleu Oleander: and she definitely doesn't have that work ethic! hahaEliza Madrigal: :)Mickorod Renard: its just a box that folk put money in for a product without seeing a shop personEliza Madrigal: new term for me :)Mickorod Renard: I bet you have them at side of road for folks buying corn cobs in the countrysideMickorod Renard: brb..kid feeling sickEliza Madrigal: :(--BELL--Aphrodite Macbain: In rural areas, they have them here for baked goods, fruit, or veggies that are at the end of thir driveway. Like bookAphrodite Macbain: sEliza Madrigal: Hi Qt!Qt Core: Hi all!Bleu Oleander: hi Qt :)Aphrodite Macbain: Hey Qt! Good to see youMickorod Renard: back,,hi QTAphrodite Macbain: Are we done with Adam and Eve? I've lost trackMickorod Renard: ah A and EAphrodite Macbain: them tooMickorod Renard: yes, today is the last dayBleu Oleander: time for a new book in the new year?Mickorod Renard: if we have anything to offer fire awayMickorod Renard: I don't think I can offer to be hostEliza Madrigal: Is this the last day you can host Thursdays, Mick?Aphrodite Macbain: I've been using my KIndle to read the book but I think I'll buy the hard copy. It's a great reference book.Mickorod Renard: for another bookMickorod Renard: yes I like the hard copyAphrodite Macbain: I like thqt it losts othr creation stories out there.Aphrodite Macbain: lists not lostsEliza Madrigal: I've finished the book. All (well, a lot of) the alternate stories we were looking for earlier in the reading are there at the end, loved that.Aphrodite Macbain: yesBleu Oleander: yes me tooMickorod Renard: this book sort of rounds off with him visiting Ruanda and the monkey aopesAphrodite Macbain: The Bible isnt the only religious bookAphrodite Macbain: you visited Ruwanda?Eliza Madrigal: I can see how he was fascinated and immersed in his subject matter but I'm not sure his energy for it translated as well at the end as through most of the rest...Eliza Madrigal: or at least I found myself zoning out a lot more and then going back.Eliza Madrigal: until the very endBleu Oleander: I loved that he included Wrangham's workAphrodite Macbain: Yes- it was hard to come up with a great ending to the story, It sort of peters out.Mickorod Renard: I felt a bit awkward with this one due to its religious references..as Pab was sort of designed to avoid religion in that depth I thinkAphrodite Macbain: I think that as long as we don't push one releigion over another, it's fineMickorod Renard: but I find all religious stuff interesting,,regardless of any leaning personallyEliza Madrigal: we've talked a lot about questioning assumptions, and this was a book that uncovered dormant assumptions in societyAphrodite Macbain: nodsMickorod Renard: yes, well saidBleu Oleander: I think this is much bigger than religionEliza Madrigal nodsBleu Oleander: its about our human story(ies)Bleu Oleander: and the role of myths in culturesAphrodite Macbain: and the beliefs that run usMickorod Renard: I think many religious readings are human stories but hijacked by religious institutionsBleu Oleander: its fascinating how the human origin story keeps evolvingMickorod Renard: in what way Bleu?Aphrodite Macbain: yes- the more we know, the more it changesBleu Oleander: lightyears away from when people wrote the Adam and Eve storyMickorod Renard: ah I see, yes with our greater understandingBleu Oleander: there's just so much more nowEliza Madrigal: I've been listening to a few things that center around perception, and adaptation, and the way people focus in on/see what they need to as part of the human 'collective drama, or even hallucinationAphrodite Macbain: or a different understanding anyway...Aphrodite Macbain: what have u been listening to Eliza?Eliza Madrigal: wherever they are particularly situated. In our time we're not so limited to one placeMickorod Renard: interestingEliza Madrigal: today I listened to a podcast on consciousnessEliza Madrigal: a talk with Anil DashAphrodite Macbain: and?Eliza Madrigal: that was part of what was discussed - long show, but you can see how limited perceptions, even false perceptions, have perhaps served humanityAphrodite Macbain: Do you ever listen to Krista Tippets pod casts "On Being"?Bleu Oleander: yesAphrodite Macbain: she discusses this subject a lotAphrodite Macbain: I really enjoy themEliza Madrigal: I did listen to that for a whileMickorod Renard: not that long ago our forebares lived on a wing and a prayer..they had little control over their luck in life as wealthy landowners could dictate whateverBleu Oleander: consciousness breaks down into many sub-categories these days--BELL--Eliza Madrigal: mhm, all very interestingBleu Oleander: yesEliza Madrigal: landowners, and maybe more in your face, weatherMickorod Renard: It brings to mind for me..a question of at what point in our evolution can be call ourselves humans as we understand human?Aphrodite Macbain ponders California and in your face weatherEliza Madrigal nods sadlyBleu Oleander: homo erectus Mick :)Aphrodite Macbain: and homo sapiensTura Brezoianu: Julian Jaynes claimed that consciousness is only a few thousand years old.Aphrodite Macbain: oh?Mickorod Renard: he he ..but how developed were they in a thinking way?Aphrodite Macbain: How can he know?Mickorod Renard: ah ty Tura yesTura Brezoianu: His claim is disputed, to say the least :)Bleu Oleander: about 2 million years agoAphrodite Macbain: right BleuTura Brezoianu: he looked at the ancient Greek myths, when the gods talked to peopleMickorod Renard: a bit like whoever wrote A and EAphrodite Macbain: a scribe in the 3rd century ad?Mickorod Renard: so I spoze the notion of Gods was due to being out of control of the environment?Bleu Oleander: A and E was probably about 3,000 - 4,000 years ago ... only written down in the 6th C BCEBleu Oleander: I think I've shared this link before, but worth a look if you haven't seen it ... https://iho.asu.edu/Aphrodite Macbain: It was passed along in oral traditionMickorod Renard: I have felt during this book reading thatI have prefered to think of A and E in that shorter time lineAphrodite Macbain: Written during the time of Solomon, I thinkBleu Oleander: and this one too: http://www.becominghuman.org/Mickorod Renard: when man became more elevated in thoughtAphrodite Macbain: thanks Bleu!Mickorod Renard: thanks BleuBleu Oleander: fun sites to exploreAphrodite Macbain wonders whether she is humanAphrodite Macbain: or just a spark in her creator's brainMickorod Renard: has anyone here done a dna roots check?Aphrodite Macbain: nopeBleu Oleander: nopeMickorod Renard: not meMickorod Renard: I did wonder about itEliza Madrigal: Oh, weirdly I just did that... but it was so vagueMickorod Renard: yes?Aphrodite Macbain: I'm not sure how useful it would beMickorod Renard: can u tell us more?Tura Brezoianu: I've had my genome read, twice, although it doesn't tell me muchEliza Madrigal: my sister (half sister) did hers recently, so I followed suitMickorod Renard: or if its private no worriesEliza Madrigal: what did you find Tura?Bleu Oleander: its not that developed yetAphrodite Macbain: They advertise it all the time on TVBleu Oleander: but yes, makes moneyEliza Madrigal: I wish I'd found out enough for it to show something I'd rather keep private, lolAphrodite Macbain: Had it helped you understand yourself more Eliza?Tura Brezoianu: Once was by 23andMe. I don't have any of the big bad mutations that they test for.Mickorod Renard: in family history my lineage is rather broken,,with absconding change names and adoption before recordsEliza Madrigal: that's the most extensive I thinkAphrodite Macbain: That would be a relief TuraEliza Madrigal: there is a big project to show how all lineages connect and overlap eventuallyAphrodite Macbain: we all have a bit of Neanderthal in us....Mickorod Renard: gruntsAphrodite Macbain: lolBleu Oleander: those early humans fooled around LOLTura Brezoianu: They also tell me about genetic relatives in their database, but so far no-one closer than about 4th cousin, so probably just random noise.Bleu Oleander: some things never change haha!Eliza Madrigal: not having a relationship with my father's side, I hoped to see something interestingAphrodite Macbain: did you?Mickorod Renard: thanks Tura for sharingMickorod Renard: I guess it would take a majority take up to give gerat resultsEliza Madrigal: I do know my cousins/aunt and uncle now, but distantly. Not much to see from the tests, a little Ukraine, which I didn't know about :)Aphrodite Macbain: coolMickorod Renard: ahMickorod Renard: brb..banging upstairsEliza Madrigal: I'd like to do the more extensive test eventually, but will wait for them to get a little betterAphrodite Macbain: I spent a number of years tracing my family history back to great great great grandparents.Aphrodite Macbain: Now that was interesting--BELL--Eliza Madrigal: oh, Aph?Mickorod Renard: backAphrodite Macbain: Found out my great great grandfather ran a "chemist" shop in Lucknow, India!Eliza Madrigal: wowMickorod Renard: wowBleu Oleander: how interesting AphAphrodite Macbain: and another grandparent sold gloves in northern EnglandAphrodite Macbain: the Brits keep r eally good records!Eliza Madrigal: how proper of themMickorod Renard: my gggrandfather was sent to devils island..never made it back:(Aphrodite Macbain: wowAphrodite Macbain: why?Eliza Madrigal: goodnessMickorod Renard: insurrectionBleu Oleander: bfbAphrodite Macbain: he was a prisoner there?Mickorod Renard: yesMickorod Renard: although treated well from all accounts,,his cousin who was with him escapedAphrodite Macbain: I always wished one of my relatives was a pirate or some romantic but illegal figureEliza Madrigal: :)Bleu Oleander: oops meant to say brb, and now I'm back :)Aphrodite Macbain: maybe a highway man or a Robin HoodEliza Madrigal: :))Aphrodite Macbain: wb BleuMickorod Renard: I dread to think the horrors that my gg grandancestors facedEliza Madrigal: I've always been resistant to caring very much, but then my sister sort of nudged me, because she wanted to compareAphrodite Macbain: where did they live?Aphrodite Macbain: MIckMickorod Renard: ahMickorod Renard: Clamecy in FranceQt Core: i need to go, bye allAphrodite Macbain: CoolMickorod Renard: bye QtAphrodite Macbain: Bye QtMickorod Renard: nice t c yaBleu Oleander: bye QtEliza Madrigal: nice to see you QtEliza Madrigal: hope things are very wellAphrodite Macbain: I should go too- I have a doctors appointment in 25 minutes!Eliza Madrigal: :)Bleu Oleander: bye AphMickorod Renard: ah, fair well AphEliza Madrigal: cute clothes, Aph, have a good apptAphrodite Macbain: byeeAphrodite Macbain: thanksMickorod Renard: i still find it hard to believe we ..as advanced as we are from other creaturesmmwere derived from apesBleu Oleander: we didn't ... our line split from a common ancestor about 6 million years agoMickorod Renard: how does that work then?Eliza Madrigal: go back still farther and even harder to fathom how far 'we' have comeMickorod Renard: its the mutations that sorted us out?Bleu Oleander: yesBleu Oleander: natural selectionMickorod Renard: mm..okMickorod Renard: yes Eliza,,supposedly from sea and then primeval slimeMickorod Renard: and star dustEliza Madrigal: :)Mickorod Renard: easy to see why A and E story lasted wellEliza Madrigal: Mm, so about next week.... I guess we'll be meeting mainly Mondays now?Mickorod Renard: I think thats best,,unless new initiatives and enthusiasm came be mustedEliza Madrigal: and can see if another book would be best course? I'm finally reading War and Peace, so not sure how deep a book I can addMickorod Renard: I am supprised,,in a nice way,,that Zens is so busyBleu Oleander: so we'll meet monday and maybe pick a new book?Eliza Madrigal: Zen is one of the people in SL who has taught himself so much in the time I've known him... music, languagesMickorod Renard: I have a new born to have to consider soonEliza Madrigal: super impressiveEliza Madrigal: :) yes you do Mick! So maybe we can find something really simpleEliza Madrigal: but also able to be bantered about?Eliza Madrigal: (not sure where to find such a book)Mickorod Renard: we all seem to be reading stuff anywayMickorod Renard: I have two other books on the go at moBleu Oleander: always reading lots of interesting books!Eliza Madrigal: or go back to 'whatever happens happens'Mickorod Renard: I would like to explore a subjectMickorod Renard: thro books maybeBleu Oleander: what subjects interest you Mick?Mickorod Renard: do we have a common interest and then sourse a book?Mickorod Renard: well, all sorts interest meMickorod Renard: but i like an objective tooMickorod Renard: trickyEliza Madrigal: so maybe ponder a bit and then pick up the conversation Monday?--BELL--Mickorod Renard: good ideaMickorod Renard: am happy with spiritaul science or whateverBleu Oleander: what is spiritual science?Mickorod Renard: its a shame remote viewing is a fancyfulMickorod Renard: he he , I meant the two..Bleu Oleander: ha ok that makes more senseMickorod Renard: spiritual or science or anythingMickorod Renard: is anyone studying?Mickorod Renard: we could hitch a rideEliza Madrigal: I'm taking a writing for the web course, but that doesn't help us :)Mickorod Renard: mmmBleu Oleander: taking a course on James JoyceEliza Madrigal: that, sounds wonderfulBleu Oleander: re-reading UlyssesMickorod Renard: yes, pondering thatMickorod Renard: never read itMickorod Renard: is it big?Bleu Oleander: and the new Odyssey translation first by a womanBleu Oleander: yes bigEliza Madrigal: I'm daunted by it, but that's mostly because of Campbell's stories of trying to read it unsuccessfully a few timesEliza Madrigal: so I need to reexamine and "try and see"Eliza Madrigal: but not now :)Mickorod Renard: I have a couple of campbels books that I have not readEliza Madrigal: I noticed the stories at the back of A and E book were sourced from himEliza Madrigal: some of*Eliza Madrigal: :)Eliza Madrigal: I need to go, but see you Monday! (or sooner if party planning)Eliza Madrigal: thanks for hosting all this time MickEliza Madrigal: bye for now <3Bleu Oleander: bye allBleu Oleander: take careTura Brezoianu: bye Bleu

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The Guardian for this meeting was Mickorod Renard. The comments are by Mickorod Renard.

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Bleu Oleander: hi Eliza!Aphrodite Macbain: Hello!Eliza Madrigal: Bleu!Mickorod Renard: Hi FolksBleu Oleander: hi Aph, Mick, Eliza :)Eliza Madrigal: Hi Mick, Aph too :)Mickorod Renard: soz am lateEliza Madrigal: Hi Tura :)Bleu Oleander: hi TuraEliza Madrigal: I was away... signed on then dog squeaked to go outEliza Madrigal: but back :)Mickorod Renard: Hi Tura AphTura Brezoianu: hi allAphrodite Macbain: Hy TuraAphrodite Macbain: Happy New year to those I haven't said that to yetMickorod Renard: phew, claimed the logMickorod Renard: yayyy..happy new yearBleu Oleander: yes, happy new year!!Eliza Madrigal: happy new year :)Aphrodite Macbain: It's already11 days oldBleu Oleander: :)Eliza Madrigal: soon to be the year of the dogBleu Oleander: woofMickorod Renard: yesAphrodite Macbain: oh?Eliza Madrigal: :)Aphrodite Macbain: what are the dog's characteristics?Mickorod Renard: and for some creatures thats a lifetimeEliza Madrigal: I think earth dog.Bleu Oleander: don't tell Zoey that!!!Eliza Madrigal: is she a handful Bleu?Bleu Oleander: YEPEliza Madrigal: :)Aphrodite Macbain: more than other puppies?Mickorod Renard: what breed Blue?Eliza Madrigal: um, not sure all of them Aph, but loyalty is oneBleu Oleander: 70 lbs of puppy brainEliza Madrigal: omgoodnessAphrodite Macbain: ImpressiveBleu Oleander: Bernese Mountain DogTura Brezoianu: a lot of dogEliza Madrigal: :)Bleu Oleander: she's just 10 mosMickorod Renard: yikesAphrodite Macbain: will she double in size?Eliza Madrigal recalls a recent photo shared of someone's ottoman taken as dog toyBleu Oleander: hopefully not Aph :)Aphrodite Macbain: lolMickorod Renard: is that like a st bernard?Bleu Oleander: somehow we missed the small window of opportunity to get her under control before she got big LOLEliza Madrigal: ah, like me with my kidsEliza Madrigal: ^.^Bleu Oleander: haha!Tura Brezoianu: so it takes you for a walk?Bleu Oleander: yepEliza Madrigal: she's gorgeous though, has a very sweet faceEliza Madrigal: must be hard to draw limitsBleu Oleander: she is ... ty!Bleu Oleander: yes a challengeMickorod Renard: them st bernars you put a barrel of spirits around its neck..so u have a mobile barEliza Madrigal gigglesEliza Madrigal: sounds like one would need oneBleu Oleander: fortunately they're not as big as St. BernardsMickorod Renard: you could put an honesty box on too and make some moneyEliza Madrigal: what's that Mick?Bleu Oleander: and she definitely doesn't have that work ethic! hahaEliza Madrigal: :)Mickorod Renard: its just a box that folk put money in for a product without seeing a shop personEliza Madrigal: new term for me :)Mickorod Renard: I bet you have them at side of road for folks buying corn cobs in the countrysideMickorod Renard: brb..kid feeling sickEliza Madrigal: :(--BELL--Aphrodite Macbain: In rural areas, they have them here for baked goods, fruit, or veggies that are at the end of thir driveway. Like bookAphrodite Macbain: sEliza Madrigal: Hi Qt!Qt Core: Hi all!Bleu Oleander: hi Qt :)Aphrodite Macbain: Hey Qt! Good to see youMickorod Renard: back,,hi QTAphrodite Macbain: Are we done with Adam and Eve? I've lost trackMickorod Renard: ah A and EAphrodite Macbain: them tooMickorod Renard: yes, today is the last dayBleu Oleander: time for a new book in the new year?Mickorod Renard: if we have anything to offer fire awayMickorod Renard: I don't think I can offer to be hostEliza Madrigal: Is this the last day you can host Thursdays, Mick?Aphrodite Macbain: I've been using my KIndle to read the book but I think I'll buy the hard copy. It's a great reference book.Mickorod Renard: for another bookMickorod Renard: yes I like the hard copyAphrodite Macbain: I like thqt it losts othr creation stories out there.Aphrodite Macbain: lists not lostsEliza Madrigal: I've finished the book. All (well, a lot of) the alternate stories we were looking for earlier in the reading are there at the end, loved that.Aphrodite Macbain: yesBleu Oleander: yes me tooMickorod Renard: this book sort of rounds off with him visiting Ruanda and the monkey aopesAphrodite Macbain: The Bible isnt the only religious bookAphrodite Macbain: you visited Ruwanda?Eliza Madrigal: I can see how he was fascinated and immersed in his subject matter but I'm not sure his energy for it translated as well at the end as through most of the rest...Eliza Madrigal: or at least I found myself zoning out a lot more and then going back.Eliza Madrigal: until the very endBleu Oleander: I loved that he included Wrangham's workAphrodite Macbain: Yes- it was hard to come up with a great ending to the story, It sort of peters out.Mickorod Renard: I felt a bit awkward with this one due to its religious references..as Pab was sort of designed to avoid religion in that depth I thinkAphrodite Macbain: I think that as long as we don't push one releigion over another, it's fineMickorod Renard: but I find all religious stuff interesting,,regardless of any leaning personallyEliza Madrigal: we've talked a lot about questioning assumptions, and this was a book that uncovered dormant assumptions in societyAphrodite Macbain: nodsMickorod Renard: yes, well saidBleu Oleander: I think this is much bigger than religionEliza Madrigal nodsBleu Oleander: its about our human story(ies)Bleu Oleander: and the role of myths in culturesAphrodite Macbain: and the beliefs that run usMickorod Renard: I think many religious readings are human stories but hijacked by religious institutionsBleu Oleander: its fascinating how the human origin story keeps evolvingMickorod Renard: in what way Bleu?Aphrodite Macbain: yes- the more we know, the more it changesBleu Oleander: lightyears away from when people wrote the Adam and Eve storyMickorod Renard: ah I see, yes with our greater understandingBleu Oleander: there's just so much more nowEliza Madrigal: I've been listening to a few things that center around perception, and adaptation, and the way people focus in on/see what they need to as part of the human 'collective drama, or even hallucinationAphrodite Macbain: or a different understanding anyway...Aphrodite Macbain: what have u been listening to Eliza?Eliza Madrigal: wherever they are particularly situated. In our time we're not so limited to one placeMickorod Renard: interestingEliza Madrigal: today I listened to a podcast on consciousnessEliza Madrigal: a talk with Anil DashAphrodite Macbain: and?Eliza Madrigal: that was part of what was discussed - long show, but you can see how limited perceptions, even false perceptions, have perhaps served humanityAphrodite Macbain: Do you ever listen to Krista Tippets pod casts "On Being"?Bleu Oleander: yesAphrodite Macbain: she discusses this subject a lotAphrodite Macbain: I really enjoy themEliza Madrigal: I did listen to that for a whileMickorod Renard: not that long ago our forebares lived on a wing and a prayer..they had little control over their luck in life as wealthy landowners could dictate whateverBleu Oleander: consciousness breaks down into many sub-categories these days--BELL--Eliza Madrigal: mhm, all very interestingBleu Oleander: yesEliza Madrigal: landowners, and maybe more in your face, weatherMickorod Renard: It brings to mind for me..a question of at what point in our evolution can be call ourselves humans as we understand human?Aphrodite Macbain ponders California and in your face weatherEliza Madrigal nods sadlyBleu Oleander: homo erectus Mick :)Aphrodite Macbain: and homo sapiensTura Brezoianu: Julian Jaynes claimed that consciousness is only a few thousand years old.Aphrodite Macbain: oh?Mickorod Renard: he he ..but how developed were they in a thinking way?Aphrodite Macbain: How can he know?Mickorod Renard: ah ty Tura yesTura Brezoianu: His claim is disputed, to say the least :)Bleu Oleander: about 2 million years agoAphrodite Macbain: right BleuTura Brezoianu: he looked at the ancient Greek myths, when the gods talked to peopleMickorod Renard: a bit like whoever wrote A and EAphrodite Macbain: a scribe in the 3rd century ad?Mickorod Renard: so I spoze the notion of Gods was due to being out of control of the environment?Bleu Oleander: A and E was probably about 3,000 - 4,000 years ago ... only written down in the 6th C BCEBleu Oleander: I think I've shared this link before, but worth a look if you haven't seen it ... https://iho.asu.edu/Aphrodite Macbain: It was passed along in oral traditionMickorod Renard: I have felt during this book reading thatI have prefered to think of A and E in that shorter time lineAphrodite Macbain: Written during the time of Solomon, I thinkBleu Oleander: and this one too: http://www.becominghuman.org/Mickorod Renard: when man became more elevated in thoughtAphrodite Macbain: thanks Bleu!Mickorod Renard: thanks BleuBleu Oleander: fun sites to exploreAphrodite Macbain wonders whether she is humanAphrodite Macbain: or just a spark in her creator's brainMickorod Renard: has anyone here done a dna roots check?Aphrodite Macbain: nopeBleu Oleander: nopeMickorod Renard: not meMickorod Renard: I did wonder about itEliza Madrigal: Oh, weirdly I just did that... but it was so vagueMickorod Renard: yes?Aphrodite Macbain: I'm not sure how useful it would beMickorod Renard: can u tell us more?Tura Brezoianu: I've had my genome read, twice, although it doesn't tell me muchEliza Madrigal: my sister (half sister) did hers recently, so I followed suitMickorod Renard: or if its private no worriesEliza Madrigal: what did you find Tura?Bleu Oleander: its not that developed yetAphrodite Macbain: They advertise it all the time on TVBleu Oleander: but yes, makes moneyEliza Madrigal: I wish I'd found out enough for it to show something I'd rather keep private, lolAphrodite Macbain: Had it helped you understand yourself more Eliza?Tura Brezoianu: Once was by 23andMe. I don't have any of the big bad mutations that they test for.Mickorod Renard: in family history my lineage is rather broken,,with absconding change names and adoption before recordsEliza Madrigal: that's the most extensive I thinkAphrodite Macbain: That would be a relief TuraEliza Madrigal: there is a big project to show how all lineages connect and overlap eventuallyAphrodite Macbain: we all have a bit of Neanderthal in us....Mickorod Renard: gruntsAphrodite Macbain: lolBleu Oleander: those early humans fooled around LOLTura Brezoianu: They also tell me about genetic relatives in their database, but so far no-one closer than about 4th cousin, so probably just random noise.Bleu Oleander: some things never change haha!Eliza Madrigal: not having a relationship with my father's side, I hoped to see something interestingAphrodite Macbain: did you?Mickorod Renard: thanks Tura for sharingMickorod Renard: I guess it would take a majority take up to give gerat resultsEliza Madrigal: I do know my cousins/aunt and uncle now, but distantly. Not much to see from the tests, a little Ukraine, which I didn't know about :)Aphrodite Macbain: coolMickorod Renard: ahMickorod Renard: brb..banging upstairsEliza Madrigal: I'd like to do the more extensive test eventually, but will wait for them to get a little betterAphrodite Macbain: I spent a number of years tracing my family history back to great great great grandparents.Aphrodite Macbain: Now that was interesting--BELL--Eliza Madrigal: oh, Aph?Mickorod Renard: backAphrodite Macbain: Found out my great great grandfather ran a "chemist" shop in Lucknow, India!Eliza Madrigal: wowMickorod Renard: wowBleu Oleander: how interesting AphAphrodite Macbain: and another grandparent sold gloves in northern EnglandAphrodite Macbain: the Brits keep r eally good records!Eliza Madrigal: how proper of themMickorod Renard: my gggrandfather was sent to devils island..never made it back:(Aphrodite Macbain: wowAphrodite Macbain: why?Eliza Madrigal: goodnessMickorod Renard: insurrectionBleu Oleander: bfbAphrodite Macbain: he was a prisoner there?Mickorod Renard: yesMickorod Renard: although treated well from all accounts,,his cousin who was with him escapedAphrodite Macbain: I always wished one of my relatives was a pirate or some romantic but illegal figureEliza Madrigal: :)Bleu Oleander: oops meant to say brb, and now I'm back :)Aphrodite Macbain: maybe a highway man or a Robin HoodEliza Madrigal: :))Aphrodite Macbain: wb BleuMickorod Renard: I dread to think the horrors that my gg grandancestors facedEliza Madrigal: I've always been resistant to caring very much, but then my sister sort of nudged me, because she wanted to compareAphrodite Macbain: where did they live?Aphrodite Macbain: MIckMickorod Renard: ahMickorod Renard: Clamecy in FranceQt Core: i need to go, bye allAphrodite Macbain: CoolMickorod Renard: bye QtAphrodite Macbain: Bye QtMickorod Renard: nice t c yaBleu Oleander: bye QtEliza Madrigal: nice to see you QtEliza Madrigal: hope things are very wellAphrodite Macbain: I should go too- I have a doctors appointment in 25 minutes!Eliza Madrigal: :)Bleu Oleander: bye AphMickorod Renard: ah, fair well AphEliza Madrigal: cute clothes, Aph, have a good apptAphrodite Macbain: byeeAphrodite Macbain: thanksMickorod Renard: i still find it hard to believe we ..as advanced as we are from other creaturesmmwere derived from apesBleu Oleander: we didn't ... our line split from a common ancestor about 6 million years agoMickorod Renard: how does that work then?Eliza Madrigal: go back still farther and even harder to fathom how far 'we' have comeMickorod Renard: its the mutations that sorted us out?Bleu Oleander: yesBleu Oleander: natural selectionMickorod Renard: mm..okMickorod Renard: yes Eliza,,supposedly from sea and then primeval slimeMickorod Renard: and star dustEliza Madrigal: :)Mickorod Renard: easy to see why A and E story lasted wellEliza Madrigal: Mm, so about next week.... I guess we'll be meeting mainly Mondays now?Mickorod Renard: I think thats best,,unless new initiatives and enthusiasm came be mustedEliza Madrigal: and can see if another book would be best course? I'm finally reading War and Peace, so not sure how deep a book I can addMickorod Renard: I am supprised,,in a nice way,,that Zens is so busyBleu Oleander: so we'll meet monday and maybe pick a new book?Eliza Madrigal: Zen is one of the people in SL who has taught himself so much in the time I've known him... music, languagesMickorod Renard: I have a new born to have to consider soonEliza Madrigal: super impressiveEliza Madrigal: :) yes you do Mick! So maybe we can find something really simpleEliza Madrigal: but also able to be bantered about?Eliza Madrigal: (not sure where to find such a book)Mickorod Renard: we all seem to be reading stuff anywayMickorod Renard: I have two other books on the go at moBleu Oleander: always reading lots of interesting books!Eliza Madrigal: or go back to 'whatever happens happens'Mickorod Renard: I would like to explore a subjectMickorod Renard: thro books maybeBleu Oleander: what subjects interest you Mick?Mickorod Renard: do we have a common interest and then sourse a book?Mickorod Renard: well, all sorts interest meMickorod Renard: but i like an objective tooMickorod Renard: trickyEliza Madrigal: so maybe ponder a bit and then pick up the conversation Monday?--BELL--Mickorod Renard: good ideaMickorod Renard: am happy with spiritaul science or whateverBleu Oleander: what is spiritual science?Mickorod Renard: its a shame remote viewing is a fancyfulMickorod Renard: he he , I meant the two..Bleu Oleander: ha ok that makes more senseMickorod Renard: spiritual or science or anythingMickorod Renard: is anyone studying?Mickorod Renard: we could hitch a rideEliza Madrigal: I'm taking a writing for the web course, but that doesn't help us :)Mickorod Renard: mmmBleu Oleander: taking a course on James JoyceEliza Madrigal: that, sounds wonderfulBleu Oleander: re-reading UlyssesMickorod Renard: yes, pondering thatMickorod Renard: never read itMickorod Renard: is it big?Bleu Oleander: and the new Odyssey translation first by a womanBleu Oleander: yes bigEliza Madrigal: I'm daunted by it, but that's mostly because of Campbell's stories of trying to read it unsuccessfully a few timesEliza Madrigal: so I need to reexamine and "try and see"Eliza Madrigal: but not now :)Mickorod Renard: I have a couple of campbels books that I have not readEliza Madrigal: I noticed the stories at the back of A and E book were sourced from himEliza Madrigal: some of*Eliza Madrigal: :)Eliza Madrigal: I need to go, but see you Monday! (or sooner if party planning)Eliza Madrigal: thanks for hosting all this time MickEliza Madrigal: bye for now <3Bleu Oleander: bye allBleu Oleander: take careTura Brezoianu: bye Bleu