I was trolling around on the internet, age and inability to sleep will do that to a fella. Anyway, I managed to find myself at the Remington website, so I decided to compare the stats on two different bullets.

I saw that Remington has a new line of handgun ammunition out, called "Ultimate Home Defense". While I seldom use the Golden Saber load, it is a well respected load that seems to fare well. So in the interest boredom, and using the manufacturer's comparision tool, I decided to compare the 230 Grain .45 ACP load in each product line.

Bear in mind, I have seen a box of the new stuff, but have not so much as taken a cartridge out of the box, or shot any. I have a small supply of Golden Saber bullets, and I'm looking to get some more soon, if my new 1911 likes it after it's broken in and treated to some minor modifications.

At first glance, while the boxes appear vastly different, the cartridges themselves appear to be the same, with some of the same promotional wording. Looking at the comparision, the statistics that Remington puts up on each bullet are 100% identical. This leads me to believe that the "new and improved" Ultimate Home Defense load is actually the Golden Saber under a different name.

I could be wrong, but I can see them doing this to appeal to the homeowner as opposed to the LEO's or "gun people" that actually pay attention to what they put in their gun. If anyone has both boxes I would be interested in hearing if you can tell a difference between the two. I may go with this newer load, as it is easier to find right now.

Thank you for your time and consideration in this matter. Take care and stay safe.

Biker

November 11th, 2010, 06:32 AM

ksholder

Biker - When I first saw the HD ammo, it was replacing Golden Saber at my LGS so I did the same thing you did. After not being able to discern the difference, I called Remington to see what I was missing. There is NO DIFFERENCE except the packaging. This is a marketing move to get more shelf space - 2 packages - but the same product. If you have liked the Golden Sabre, as I do, you will like the HD as well. Same bullets, different box. Your assessment of the marketing play is accurate.

November 11th, 2010, 07:37 AM

RETSUPT99

This is Remington's "new and inproved" stuff.:rofl:
What's next, "better than ever"?:confused:
That said, the "regular stuff" isn't bad ammo.:hand10:

November 11th, 2010, 12:44 PM

MitchellCT

If you are looking for a Remington ammo that is "better" then go bonded golden saber.

That said...When I had a .45ACP I wasn't all that ammo sensitive. 185 grain XTP...230 grain Hydrashock...whatever.

It was a 45ACP JHP. I figure that if I put it into someone's chest or head it would probably do something to make the person I'm shooting go away...

November 11th, 2010, 12:55 PM

BikerRN

Quote:

Originally Posted by MitchellCT

If you are looking for a Remington ammo that is "better" then go bonded golden saber.

That said...When I had a .45ACP I wasn't all that ammo sensitive. 185 grain XTP...230 grain Hydrashock...whatever.

It was a 45ACP JHP. I figure that if I put it into someone's chest or head it would probably do something to make the person I'm shooting go away...

Very true.

I just like to know that what I'm putting in my gun functions. I tend to pick one ammo, and stick with it, while also having an idea of what else will work. The secondary ammo selections don't get the function testing that my carry ammo does, but I still put fifty or so rounds through the gun to get an idea at to whether or not it will work in my gun.

Biker

November 11th, 2010, 01:01 PM

MitchellCT

I usually try to put as much of as many round I can through a gun when I get it, and if it does fine baring ammo malf's (like with ultramax...but that's not really ammo...it's a box of malfunction clearances that make holes in paper...) I just carry what I can on hand or stockpile.

November 11th, 2010, 01:43 PM

OldVet

Lesson number one of marketing class:
The majority of people, in general, are suckers. Campbell soup is Campbell soup--no matter how fat or thin the kids on the label are.

Practically any .45 ACP round in the right spot will do the job. None in the wrong spot will. But a fancy label can make you think so...

November 11th, 2010, 01:59 PM

Sig35seven

Sounds just like golf balls. Years ago they set limits on balls and how far they can go when struck at a certain velocity. Yet the industry continues to sell NEW products that offer even further 'long balls' and promises of even greater distance. This is pure hype to sell new products and nothing more.

November 11th, 2010, 02:10 PM

Giffordd

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Does anyone have any first hand experience with Federal EFMJ? Over the years I probably have used every type of new/improved SD ammo on the market. I have done some research on this ammo but it has all been media presented.

November 11th, 2010, 04:19 PM

Superhouse 15

Remigton also has a couple of new SD shotgun loads out that look to be interesting. a duplex and a BB load with high density pellets. Those might be something different.

November 11th, 2010, 08:49 PM

peckman28

Well if this is just repackaged Golden Saber then count me in (as long as the price is the same of course). Golden Saber is good stuff. I especially like it in the .380, but my .45 likes it as well.

November 11th, 2010, 08:56 PM

rammerjammer

Come on the new stuff has to be better! It's Ultimate isn't it? Hope it doesn't become too EXTREEEEME!

Does anyone have any first hand experience with Federal EFMJ? Over the years I probably have used every type of new/improved SD ammo on the market. I have done some research on this ammo but it has all been media presented.

Didn't do any gelatin testing, shot a few mags to see how it would feed in my M&P & Kimber, We had three different kinds of HD HP FMJ rounds, the other Hornaday 40 CAL 155GR JHP/XTP can't rember the third but they all did well for what we were looking for. This might help you http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-fJF...eature=channel