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Clansman is a nice boat. IMHO a better choice than the similar Compass 28/29 and on par with the Duncanson 29. My second keel boat was a Northerner 28 which was the predecessor to the Compas 28 so I have a little experience with them.

Objections ? To be frank it is going to be pretty cramped for four people. Yes they can sleep four but that dinette is going to somewhat cosy for eating and the head is not really enclosed. Lousy tankage, lack of stowage space.

Positives include a boat with few vices that can be easily handled by one and if called upon to do so can handle the rough stuff. They are well regarded so tend to hold value reasonably well.

Must say though that I'd be inclined to check this out. Newer, OK so only three permanent berths but nicer galley, looks to be more spacious dinette and underwater suggests a more nimble performer.

Brett, how's the East Coast going ? Great little boats. Bit past their prime nowadays but in their day a well performed racer/cruiser with quite a few examples having gone to Hobart. As Brett said, more expensive but probably worth it. btw ... I thought the East Coast was a Peter Cole design ??? (I confess I am a fan and that may colour my judgement. Almost from the day I bought it I wished I had stumped up the extra cash to buy an East Coast rather than the Northerner. Nothing in the interim has made me change my mind though the East Coast would be less forgiving of operator error.

Hey Bent .... I lost my phone last week and my backup address book didn't restore properly to the new one. Could you give me a call sometime so I can get your numbers again.

East Coast is going well. I have just pulled the entire rig out and had the mast stripped and rebuilt with all standing rig and running rig replaced plus chainplates and a new boom. I may have this boat for sometime now!! You're right, they are a Peter Cole design. Bruce Fairlie from Eastcoast Yachts was the builder (he also built the Clansmans). EC 31's are pretty forgiving and I owned a Compass 28 for 10 years previously to compare. Their main problem is rolling downwind, but other than that they are pretty much bullet proof. I know of one that's been down the west coast of Tasmania more than once. The boat you linked to that is for sale is a great buy, I know the particular boat as I used to race against it.

03-26-2012 04:55 AM

BentSailor

Re: Manitou 32?

Longer simply means more than a daysail. The idea is that we spend most the time enjoying what Lake Macquarie has to offer, but make our way up to Port Stephens or down to Pittwater for a couple of days at a time. Much as I would like to take the kids for longer and more adventurous sails, I don't see it happening in the short-to-medium term future.

I don't think I'm going to afford a boat that would fit our family comfortably for much longer that that. At least, not before the kids are too old/independent to spend a week cooped up with each other and not drive me mental

I am pretty sure we're going for something 30' or just over for the very reasons you mention. Our financial limitations don't allow for a good boat much over that size and our family size doesn't allow for anything below it.

03-26-2012 12:23 AM

tdw

Re: Manitou 32?

Sprogs indeed ...now where have I heard that before ?

Longer trips ? How long is longer ? If you are thinking coastal passages then it would be a stout sprog indeed who could sleep in the forepeak of a 27'er at sea.

That said and accepting that six on a 30'er is akin to camping when at anchor , you need to make sure that the cockpit seats are long enough to double as sleeping quarters. I doubt you'll find what you are after in less than 28' . Too many other compromises in making a 27'er sleep six.

03-25-2012 11:22 PM

BentSailor

Re: Manitou 32?

To clarify the above, the suggestions are good and very much appreciated. Wouldn't have looked into the Clansman until much later without said advice! The South Coast 28 looks like it was designed/built by the same folks as did the Bonbridge I'm looking at on Wednesday, so it's definitely of reasonable heritage

I just cannot go less than say four berths because we have four children (aka "sprogs" ) we need to get to sleep at night on the longer trips. We're hoping to get us a boat that lasts until at least the older two are either no longer with us or no longer sailing with us. It sucks, it's making me weep at some of the boats I have to pass on, but it's one of the unchangeable requirements in my search.

03-25-2012 11:11 PM

BentSailor

Re: Manitou 32?

Sadly, if it were just a boat for *me*, I'd be more than happy with a great many boats that sleep three people. As I can afford and maintain only the one boat maximum (time & money not being something I'm flush with), I have to look for a boat the *family* can bunk in that also suits my personal tastes as much as possible.

So far, the Clansman is looking very nice for that purpose. I have also heard that she is built pretty tough in comparison to other boats built hereabouts.

03-25-2012 08:36 PM

tdw

Re: Manitou 32?

Clansman is a nice boat. IMHO a better choice than the similar Compass 28/29 and on par with the Duncanson 29. My second keel boat was a Northerner 28 which was the predecessor to the Compas 28 so I have a little experience with them.

Objections ? To be frank it is going to be pretty cramped for four people. Yes they can sleep four but that dinette is going to somewhat cosy for eating and the head is not really enclosed. Lousy tankage, lack of stowage space.

Positives include a boat with few vices that can be easily handled by one and if called upon to do so can handle the rough stuff. They are well regarded so tend to hold value reasonably well.

Must say though that I'd be inclined to check this out. Newer, OK so only three permanent berths but nicer galley, looks to be more spacious dinette and underwater suggests a more nimble performer.

Brett, how's the East Coast going ? Great little boats. Bit past their prime nowadays but in their day a well performed racer/cruiser with quite a few examples having gone to Hobart. As Brett said, more expensive but probably worth it. btw ... I thought the East Coast was a Peter Cole design ??? (I confess I am a fan and that may colour my judgement. Almost from the day I bought it I wished I had stumped up the extra cash to buy an East Coast rather than the Northerner. Nothing in the interim has made me change my mind though the East Coast would be less forgiving of operator error.

Clansman is a good, well built yacht by Bruce Fairlie in my opinion. He also did East Coast 31's etc. but these are a little more complex and expensive to own (I've got one!!)
There are a couple of bargain Clansmans on boatpoint at the moment. Some have been re-engined by this time as they were built in the 70's. Great first boat to go for I think.

03-24-2012 07:02 AM

BentSailor

Manitou 32?

Well, I did get her to look at the Clansman based on the resident fuzzball's (appreciated) suggestion. Can't fault the man for taste

Haven't sailed one though, but there is some info i could find on the Clansman whereas I could find nothing on the Manitou.

03-24-2012 06:51 AM

SimonV

Re: Manitou 32?

that's because the clansman is a pretty boat. And are nice to sail

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