Cpl.D:leadmetal:The 97% thing was debunked ages ago. But even if true all it would mean is that 97% of scientists receiving money to study man made climate change believe it exists to continue the lifestyle they've become accustomed to.

Sure it was. I appreciate the proof you've offered. And sure, scientists just love the glitsy lifestyles with all the glamor and fast cars and fancy women they get because all scientific grants also come with million dollar per diem giveaways, while those poor oil industry executives who have NO PAST HISTORY WHATSOEVER of doing anything slightly wrong in the interest or protecting their profits in the history of ever have to suffer with the small incomes they all probably make.

Greatest astrotufing campaign in history. Get a whole bunch of folks to doubt climate change to protect corporate profits, even though in the long term it'll be ruinous to their lives and their children's lives. But so what? At least you get to jam a big stick into the eye of that smartassed science guy you imagine slighted you in some way! Yeah, take THAT, science man! And when the climate shifts and crops fail, and people worldwide are dying in the millions, you can be content and secure in the knowledge that you personally helped bring this about. Oh well, at least they gave you a coupon for a one time delivery of a half-days rations for one person and a little packet of pubic hairs the Koch brothers personally clipped from their balls. But the important thing is you put them smug science farkers in their place, right?

It's completely obvious that NOAA skews data to further a global communist conspiracy to end capitalism and force us back into a hunter-gatherer lifestyle while living in tiny high-rise apartments. We know this because of NOAA data.

symbolset:If you warmists weren't a herd of jerks you might win some hearts and minds.

Also, if you practiced what you preached. Most of you are living the American lifestyle with meat 7 days a week in a single family home in the 'burbs where living is cheaper than near your work in the city.

Noam Chimpsky:The hoaxycrats will need to continously fabricate hotter months to keep up the human warming weather hoax . It only appeals to the sub 80 IQ community at this point. Unfortunately, it's the fastest growing demographic in the US right now

The hoaxycrats will need to continously fabricate hotter months to keep up the human warming weather hoax . It only appeals to the sub 80 IQ community at this point. Unfortunately, it's the fastest growing demographic in the US right now

It's stupid that we're clinging to old, destructive forms of energy (let alone allowing corporations to get away with dumping their shiat in the air and water, with no more than a slap on the wrist if they do it TOO blatantly), because energy companies are too shortsighted and greedy to invest in the future, rather than maximizing profits *now*.

I am all for cleaning up energy production. I am NOT for demonizing capitalism, especially when it's being done to justify increasing government control of the economy, and trying to impose a socialist controlled economy.

Free markets and capitalism has VASTLY improved the world standard of living, and socialism will impoverish us all, as it already has where ever it's tried. Fark Scandinavia. They tried, saw it wasn't working, and backed away from nationalization, government control of production, etc. The counties that didn't see sense, didn't back away, went poor and collapsed or currently struggle along (USSR, Cuba, Venezuela, etc.).

Ban the construction of new coal plants, and mandate all new power plants must be nuclear. Do things that actually reduce CO2, and stop pushing uneconomic "solutions" like wind and solar, which will never take the place of hydrocarbons unless an economic competitive means of storing electricity is found. The physics of that do not look promising. But the ideologues keep pushing wind/solar, simply not caring that it can't do the job, because they hold tight to their magical thinking that it will.

mark12A:Whatever is going on the difference so far is so slight people can sling this argument back and forth. So lets start building nukes, because pumping out all that CO2 indefinitely can't be good, and hold off seizing control of people's lives until we have something absolutely solid to go on. And stop hyping the goddam models. So far they've been useless. None of their predictions are happening. Storms are NOT getting more numerous and intense, and claiming that it will just hurts scientific credibility. A whole bunch of greedy government/socialist types are drooling at the chance to tax our current lifestyle into oblivion.

We're not going to turn into Venus, mmm'kay? The CO2 levels in our atmosphere have been far higher in the past, and the earth recovered. No reason why it won't again. IF the science is solid, AGW will be established/verified at some point. Right now it is just too politicized. The non-stop ideological war over this is destroying public trust in science. People will tune it all out, and when something really needs to be done, the people will ignore it.

So tell me, how are the species that existed when CO2 levels were far higher doing?

Yeah, nobody reputable is saying the whole world is gonna end. Life finds a way, and all that. But we may very well destroy ourselves (or at least drastically change our civilization) if we don't change our path. It's stupid that we're clinging to old, destructive forms of energy (let alone allowing corporations to get away with dumping their shiat in the air and water, with no more than a slap on the wrist if they do it TOO blatantly), because energy companies are too shortsighted and greedy to invest in the future, rather than maximizing profits *now*.

Whatever is going on the difference so far is so slight people can sling this argument back and forth. So lets start building nukes, because pumping out all that CO2 indefinitely can't be good, and hold off seizing control of people's lives until we have something absolutely solid to go on. And stop hyping the goddam models. So far they've been useless. None of their predictions are happening. Storms are NOT getting more numerous and intense, and claiming that it will just hurts scientific credibility. A whole bunch of greedy government/socialist types are drooling at the chance to tax our current lifestyle into oblivion.

We're not going to turn into Venus, mmm'kay? The CO2 levels in our atmosphere have been far higher in the past, and the earth recovered. No reason why it won't again. IF the science is solid, AGW will be established/verified at some point. Right now it is just too politicized. The non-stop ideological war over this is destroying public trust in science. People will tune it all out, and when something really needs to be done, the people will ignore it.