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Hi everyone, I’m not sure where I should be asking this question, here on the NVDA list or the jaws list.Please forgive me if I’m wrong in asking here.Sometimes I use jaws & NVDAsimoltaniously. The reason for this is I use NVDA to read in my native tongue, and jaws to read in English.Let’s say I’m in a webpage reading with jaws, and I need to switch to NVDAI click insert plus s to turn off speech in jaws and then I turn on NVDA with control alt n.this is great I do what I need to do with nvda. The problem is when I want to go back to jaws I axially half to exit NVDA because the muting NVDA and clicking insert s to turn jaws speech back on doesn’t work when running NVDA. Any ideas how I can solve this problem?

Hi everyone, I’m not sure where I should be asking this question, here on the NVDA list or the jaws list.Please forgive me if I’m wrong in asking here.Sometimes I use jaws & NVDAsimoltaniously. The reason for this is I use NVDA to read in my native tongue, and jaws to read in English.Let’s say I’m in a webpage reading with jaws, and I need to switch to NVDAI click insert plus s to turn off speech in jaws and then I turn on NVDA with control alt n.this is great I do what I need to do with nvda. The problem is when I want to go back to jaws I axially half to exit NVDA because the muting NVDA and clicking insert s to turn jaws speech back on doesn’t work when running NVDA. Any ideas how I can solve this problem?

Has someone customized your JAWS installation as far as keystrokes go in some way? The typical keystroke set to toggle speech on/off in JAWS (at least in the versions I've been tutoring, which goes back to JAWS 14) is INS+SPACEBAR, followed by S (substitute CAPS LOCK for INS if you're using laptop keyboard layout) and I've never had INS+S toggle speech in JAWS (but that's the toggle [or switcher, in default mode] in NVDA).

I do, however, use the NoBeepsSpeechMode add-on in NVDA so that INS+S is a true toggle on/off for speech rather than a three-way switcher.

Another option would be trying the "Pass Key Through" command in either JAWS [INS+3 on the number row] or NVDA [NVDA+F2], depending on which needs to be ignoring the next keystroke and passing it along to the other, before you hit the INS+S toggle. I imagine order of processing precedence will be determined by which screen reader has focus at that moment, JAWS versus NVDA, but you'd have to play with this technique to test that out.

Hi everyone, I’m not sure
where I should be asking this question, here on
the NVDA list or the jaws list.Please forgive me if I’m wrong in asking
here.Sometimes I use jaws & NVDAsimoltaniously. The reason for this
is I use NVDA to read in my native
tongue, and jaws to read in English.Let’s
say I’m in a webpage reading with jaws, and I need
to switch to NVDAI
click insert plus s to turn off speech in jaws and
then I turn on NVDA with control alt
n.this is great I do what I need
to do with nvda. The problem is when
I want to go back to jaws I axially half to exit NVDA
because the muting NVDA and clicking
insert s to turn jaws speech back on doesn’t work
when running NVDA. Any ideas how I
can solve this problem?

Hi everyone, I’m not sure where I should be asking this question, here on the NVDA list or the jaws list. Please forgive me if I’m wrong in asking here. Sometimes I use jaws & NVDA simoltaniously. The reason for this is I use NVDA to read in my native tongue, and jaws to read in English. Let’s say I’m in a webpage reading with jaws, and I need to switch to NVDA I click insert plus s to turn off speech in jaws and then I turn on NVDA with control alt n. this is great I do what I need to do with nvda. The problem is when I want to go back to jaws I axially half to exit NVDA because the muting NVDA and clicking insert s to turn jaws speech back on doesn’t work when running NVDA. Any ideas how I can solve this problem?

In addition to mk360's suggestion, which is a good one, you might also try the NVDA "Toggle application sleep mode on/off" keystroke to essentially suspend NVDA completely until/unless you hit the toggle keystroke sequence again. It's NVDA+Shift+S if you're using the desktop keyboard layout and NVDA+Shift+z with the laptop layout.

I've used this same sort of command with ZoomText with clients who use a screen reader and ZoomText and it makes deactivating ZoomText and reactivating it much faster than actually shutting the program down and restarting it. I feel fairly certain that an application toggle probably exists for JAWS, too, but I can't seem to find that at the moment.

In addition to mk360's suggestion, which is a good one, you might also try the NVDA "Toggle application sleep mode on/off" keystroke to essentially suspend NVDA completely until/unless you hit the toggle keystroke sequence again. It's NVDA+Shift+S if you're using the desktop keyboard layout and NVDA+Shift+z with the laptop layout.

I've used this same sort of command with ZoomText with clients who use a screen reader and ZoomText and it makes deactivating ZoomText and reactivating it much faster than actually shutting the program down and restarting it. I feel fairly certain that an application toggle probably exists for JAWS, too, but I can't seem to find that at the moment.

Has someone customized your JAWS installation as far as keystrokes go in some way? The typical keystroke set to toggle speech on/off in JAWS (at least in the versions I've been tutoring, which goes back to JAWS 14) is INS+SPACEBAR, followed by S (substitute CAPS LOCK for INS if you're using laptop keyboard layout) and I've never had INS+S toggle speech in JAWS (but that's the toggle [or switcher, in default mode] in NVDA).

I do, however, use the NoBeepsSpeechMode add-on in NVDA so that INS+S is a true toggle on/off for speech rather than a three-way switcher.

Another option would be trying the "Pass Key Through" command in either JAWS [INS+3 on the number row] or NVDA [NVDA+F2], depending on which needs to be ignoring the next keystroke and passing it along to the other, before you hit the INS+S toggle. I imagine order of processing precedence will be determined by which screen reader has focus at that moment, JAWS versus NVDA, but you'd have to play with this technique to test that out.

Scratch that NVDA application sleep mode suggestion. I had failed to notice that it carries the proviso that it is in force only so long as you still have focus on the application in which you turned it on. As soon as you go elsewhere NVDA voice output automatically turns on which, while very convenient in most circumstances, is not what you're looking for in this circumstance.

Hi Brian the NVDA shift z did indeed announce sleep mode on but unfortunately jaws still doesn’t respond to insert space s to turn on speech, any other ideas?

Zoe,

Just so you know, the correction e-mail you said you sent noting that INS+S should have been INS+Spacebar, followed by S, never seems to have made it through.

What I'm wondering, and I have no way to test it, is whether the JAWS speech toggle command is not considered a single keystroke, but two, and if this has an impact? I presume by now you've seen my message saying that the sleep mode won't really work well functionally simply because it's in force only while focus remains on the application you invoked it on. The moment you move to another application NVDA speech comes back on.

I shot an e-mail off to Freedom Scientific Technical Support a few minutes ago asking if JAWS had a "full suspend" toggle and, if so, what the keystroke sequence is. I know how handy it is to be able to tell any of these programs to simply stop doing anything at all and pretend they're not running until told to come back. I have a client whose vision is variable enough that he uses JAWS principally for long periods of activity but who will also use ZoomText to get really up close and personal with certain specific items. It's wonderful to be able to tell ZoomText to "pretend you're not running" until/unless it's needed again rather than doing a complete exit and restart of ZoomText itself. I'll let you know what I hear back from Freedom Scientific, and that generally takes at least one business day.

Oh gee thank you so much for taking the time to research this for me.If I could find a solution for this toggle between the 2 programs it would be fantastic.Someone here on the list wanted to know why I just don’t use NVDA to read my English.This is just a preference of mine.Firstly I’m the type of person who likes to learn as much as possible in different areas, for example jaws, NVDA, the mac, even zoomtext, which I admit I haven’t played with in years just because I have a lot on my plate right now.I love the difference between jaws and NVDA.Using the codefactory vocalizer voice on NVDA to speak Greek when I need it too, and switching to jaws for English makes a nice contrast and keeps me using both programs and learning both of them as best as I can.

Again here’s hoping we find a solution thanks for trying.Maybe the jaws list might have a solution like changing the insert space s to something else that doesn’t conflict with NVDA, what do you all think?It’s obvious that there’s some sort of conflict there in the keystrokes with the 2 programs running together.

Hi Brian the NVDA shift z did indeed announce sleep mode on but unfortunately jaws still doesn’t respond to insert space s to turn on speech, any other ideas?

Zoe,

Just so you know, the correction e-mail you said you sent noting that INS+S should have been INS+Spacebar, followed by S, never seems to have made it through.

What I'm wondering, and I have no way to test it, is whether the JAWS speech toggle command is not considered a single keystroke, but two, and if this has an impact? I presume by now you've seen my message saying that the sleep mode won't really work well functionally simply because it's in force only while focus remains on the application you invoked it on. The moment you move to another application NVDA speech comes back on.

I shot an e-mail off to Freedom Scientific Technical Support a few minutes ago asking if JAWS had a "full suspend" toggle and, if so, what the keystroke sequence is. I know how handy it is to be able to tell any of these programs to simply stop doing anything at all and pretend they're not running until told to come back. I have a client whose vision is variable enough that he uses JAWS principally for long periods of activity but who will also use ZoomText to get really up close and personal with certain specific items. It's wonderful to be able to tell ZoomText to "pretend you're not running" until/unless it's needed again rather than doing a complete exit and restart of ZoomText itself. I'll let you know what I hear back from Freedom Scientific, and that generally takes at least one business day.

I think you will struggle to get this to work because as you suspect, you have keystroke conflicts. Where identical keystrokes exist in each screen reader, The latest screen reader loaded will capture the keystroke unless you precede it with a pass through keystroke. In the scenario where you load Jaws first then NVDA, if you silence NVDA speech output, so as to hear Jaws speaking, any other keystrokes will still be picked up by NVDA unless passed through. As Brian suggested, there needs to be a sort of background mode whereby all keystrokes are passed through except the one that brings the screen reader back into the foreground.

Oh gee thank you so much for taking the time to research this for me. If I could find a solution for this toggle between the 2 programs it would be fantastic. Someone here on the list wanted to know why I just don’t use NVDA to read my English. This is just a preference of mine. Firstly I’m the type of person who likes to learn as much as possible in different areas, for example jaws, NVDA, the mac, even zoomtext, which I admit I haven’t played with in years just because I have a lot on my plate right now. I love the difference between jaws and NVDA. Using the codefactory vocalizer voice on NVDA to speak Greek when I need it too, and switching to jaws for English makes a nice contrast and keeps me using both programs and learning both of them as best as I can.

Again here’s hoping we find a solution thanks for trying. Maybe the jaws list might have a solution like changing the insert space s to something else that doesn’t conflict with NVDA, what do you all think? It’s obvious that there’s some sort of conflict there in the keystrokes with the 2 programs running together.

Hi Brian the NVDA shift z did indeed announce sleep mode on but unfortunately jaws still doesn’t respond to insert space s to turn on speech, any other ideas?

Zoe,

Just so you know, the correction e-mail you said you sent noting that INS+S should have been INS+Spacebar, followed by S, never seems to have made it through.

What I'm wondering, and I have no way to test it, is whether the JAWS speech toggle command is not considered a single keystroke, but two, and if this has an impact? I presume by now you've seen my message saying that the sleep mode won't really work well functionally simply because it's in force only while focus remains on the application you invoked it on. The moment you move to another application NVDA speech comes back on.

I shot an e-mail off to Freedom Scientific Technical Support a few minutes ago asking if JAWS had a "full suspend" toggle and, if so, what the keystroke sequence is. I know how handy it is to be able to tell any of these programs to simply stop doing anything at all and pretend they're not running until told to come back. I have a client whose vision is variable enough that he uses JAWS principally for long periods of activity but who will also use ZoomText to get really up close and personal with certain specific items. It's wonderful to be able to tell ZoomText to "pretend you're not running" until/unless it's needed again rather than doing a complete exit and restart of ZoomText itself. I'll let you know what I hear back from Freedom Scientific, and that generally takes at least one business day.

One way to do this is create two windows short cuts assigning hot keys to them. One for nvda with command line switch to silence speech and create another hot key short cut key combo to silence speech in jaws sorry, you would have to make 4 short cuts, 2 for jaws and 2 for nvda. One of each to silence speech and to turn speech back on unless just exiting and starting the screen readers is what you want to do. That is if both jaws and nvda accept command line switches for the options you are looking for. By using windows shortcuts with hot keys you would not need to say be in the silenced nvda window to issue the nvda turn on speech hot key combo and same would apply for jaws. Pete

Hi Z I use both jaws and nvda at the same time some times because nvda reads some things jaws wont read. I also use window eyes with nvda for the same reason. Some times I'll start all 3 of them to find out witch screen reader reads the most. Kind of funny with all 3 of them talking some times. Pete

Good evening list. Running windows xp and jaws15 and nvda 16.1. I cannot use them in combination, but one at a time. Nevertheless, I do have a problem I hope someone can help me out with. At the moment, running a machine with windowx xp, jaws 15 and nvda 16.1. The problem I am faced with is i cannot get rid of the content advisor so consequently, I cannot use internet explorer. I never used content advisor in contrary to what the computer says. Any help getting rid of it so I can use internet explorer again would be appreciated; thanks in advance.

Hi Z I use both jaws and nvda at the same time some times because nvda reads some things jaws wont read. I also use window eyes with nvda for the same reason. Some times I'll start all 3 of them to find out witch screen reader reads the most. Kind of funny with all 3 of them talking some times. Pete

Your best option is to load and unload screen readers as required. Create two shortcuts on your desktop, one for jaws and one for NVDA. When you need jaws, load it, remembering to unload NVDA. If you need NVDA, load it into memory, remembering to quit jaws before that.

This can be automated quite easily using python or some other language.

Good evening list. Running windows xp and jaws15 and
nvda 16.1. I cannot use them in combination, but one at a time.
Nevertheless, I do have a problem I hope someone can help me out with.
At the moment, running a machine with windowx xp, jaws 15 and nvda
16.1. The problem I am faced with is i cannot get rid of the content
advisor so consequently, I cannot use internet explorer. I never used
content advisor in contrary to what the computer says. Any help
getting rid of it so I can use internet explorer again would be appreciated;
thanks in advance.

>> Hi Z> I
use both jaws and nvda at the same time some times because nvda reads >
some things jaws wont read. I also use window eyes with nvda for the same
> reason. Some times I'll start all 3 of them to find out witch
screen > reader reads the most. Kind of funny with all 3 of them
talking some > times.> Pete>>>
>

Hi, I hope I'm lying! I don’t think if you are using xp you can use IE again! I say this because IE has changed its code so I'm not sure if you can use it as you used to during the xp days! Many sites are not as accessible as it was during the xp days. If you are still using xp be warned you may have to end up using firefox. I hope I'm lying! I had a friend who had a laptop with vista. She said that some of the sites weren't accessible because she had IE nine. She upgraded it to windows 7. It works much better that's why I said what I said using xp now may be not so good with IE 8.

Good evening list. Running windows xp and jaws15 and nvda 16.1. I cannot use them in combination, but one at a time. Nevertheless, I do have a problem I hope someone can help me out with. At the moment, running a machine with windowx xp, jaws 15 and nvda 16.1. The problem I am faced with is i cannot get rid of the content advisor so consequently, I cannot use internet explorer. I never used content advisor in contrary to what the computer says. Any help getting rid of it so I can use internet explorer again would be appreciated; thanks in advance.

Hi Z I use both jaws and nvda at the same time some times because nvda reads some things jaws wont read. I also use window eyes with nvda for the same reason. Some times I'll start all 3 of them to find out witch screen reader reads the most. Kind of funny with all 3 of them talking some times. Pete

Increasingly sites are having problems when used
with IE8. This has nothing to do with Windows XP. It is because an
archaic version of Internet Explorer is being used and you can't upgrade it if
you use XP. If you still used IE8 with Windows 7, you would have a lot of
problems with many sites as well. But this has nothing to do with the
content advisor. They are completely separate issues.

Hi, I hope I'm lying! I don’t think if you are using xp you can
use IE again! I say this because IE has changed its code so I'm not sure if you
can use it as you used to during the xp days! Many sites are not as
accessible as it was during the xp days. If you are still using xp be
warned you may have to end up using firefox. I hope I'm lying! I had a
friend who had a laptop with vista. She said that some of the sites weren't
accessible because she had IE nine. She upgraded it to windows 7. It
works much better that's why I said what I said using xp now may be not so good
with IE 8.

Good evening list. Running windows
xp and jaws15 and nvda 16.1. I cannot use them in combination,
but one at a time. Nevertheless, I do have a problem I hope someone
can help me out with. At the moment, running a machine with windowx
xp, jaws 15 and nvda 16.1. The problem I am faced with is i cannot get
rid of the content advisor so consequently, I cannot use internet
explorer. I never used content advisor in contrary to what the
computer says. Any help getting rid of it so I can use internet
explorer again would be appreciated; thanks in advance.

>> Hi Z> I
use both jaws and nvda at the same time some times because nvda reads >
some things jaws wont read. I also use window eyes with nvda for the same
> reason. Some times I'll start all 3 of them to find out witch
screen > reader reads the most. Kind of funny with all 3 of them
talking some > times.> Pete>>>
>

Hi everyone, I’m not sure where I should be asking this question, hereon the NVDA list or the jaws list.Please forgive me if I’m wrong inasking here.Sometimes I use jaws & NVDA simoltaniously. The reason forthis is I use NVDA to read in my native tongue, and jaws to read inEnglish.Let’s say I’m in a webpage reading with jaws, and I need toswitch to NVDA I click insert plus s to turn off speech in jaws and thenI turn on NVDA with control alt n.this is great I do what I need to dowith nvda. The problem is when I want to go back to jaws I axially halfto exit NVDA because the muting NVDA and clicking insert s to turn jawsspeech back on doesn’t work when running NVDA. Any ideas how I can solvethis problem?

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