Tbh, WG is not sure if they want to keep that on some of the limited MM tier 8 tanks. They even talked about removing it from the IS-6 as an option if they buffed the gun enough.

If they remove limited MM then yeh, but with the proposed buffs the T-34-3 will have better turret and hull armour than the guard, similar if not better mobility, similar camo, better view range and in some respects better handling (which is apparently getting buffed as well) PLUS limited MM.

So to buff it;s pen as well would be too much.

Not sure any of the limited MM tanks need a pen buff if they keep limited MM, maybe the IS6 prem round and maybe KV-5, but more they just need to generally sort out tier 8 MM and the pref-MM tanks will feel that benefit.

If they remove limited MM then yeh, but with the proposed buffs the T-34-3 will have better turret and hull armour than the guard, similar if not better mobility, similar camo, better view range and in some respects better handling (which is apparently getting buffed as well) PLUS limited MM.

So to buff it;s pen as well would be too much.

Not sure any of the limited MM tanks need a pen buff if they keep limited MM, maybe the IS6 prem round and maybe KV-5, but more they just need to generally sort out tier 8 MM and the pref-MM tanks will feel that benefit.

On top that sure. But if they removed the limited MM and gave it 220+ pen that is. But the issue is, WG is not sure how well that will be recived. If some will ask for a refund then, or if most will take it and like it more.

If they remove limited MM then yeh, but with the proposed buffs the T-34-3 will have better turret and hull armour than the guard, similar if not better mobility, similar camo, better view range and in some respects better handling (which is apparently getting buffed as well) PLUS limited MM.

So to buff it;s pen as well would be too much.

Not sure any of the limited MM tanks need a pen buff if they keep limited MM, maybe the IS6 prem round and maybe KV-5, but more they just need to generally sort out tier 8 MM and the pref-MM tanks will feel that benefit.

Go and play T34-2 and Object 416, and come back with your comparisons of those two tanks.

416 is the best regular tier 8 medium - hard to addapt , but you have tier 9 gun with great acc, dpm and prem ammo , good camo , mobillity .
34-2 is the shittiest tier 8 medium with horrible pen , dispersion, which wasnt buffed and isnt even hd yet (34-3 to) 2.9 sec aiming time for 250 alpha , fuel tanks and ammoracks all over the tank , hull that any tier 6 can butter like it isnt there at all.

Turret placement isnt an argument at all . Even giggled after read this bullcrap

If they remove limited MM then yeh, but with the proposed buffs the T-34-3 will have better turret and hull armour than the guard, similar if not better mobility, similar camo, better view range and in some respects better handling (which is apparently getting buffed as well) PLUS limited MM.

So to buff it;s pen as well would be too much.

Not sure any of the limited MM tanks need a pen buff if they keep limited MM, maybe the IS6 prem round and maybe KV-5, but more they just need to generally sort out tier 8 MM and the pref-MM tanks will feel that benefit.

If they remove limited MM then yeh, but with the proposed buffs the T-34-3 will have better turret and hull armour than the guard, similar if not better mobility, similar camo, better view range and in some respects better handling (which is apparently getting buffed as well) PLUS limited MM.

So to buff it;s pen as well would be too much.

Not sure any of the limited MM tanks need a pen buff if they keep limited MM, maybe the IS6 prem round and maybe KV-5, but more they just need to generally sort out tier 8 MM and the pref-MM tanks will feel that benefit.

well, at least the Type 59 needs a distinctive buff,

if it should remain as top price for tournaments and stuff...

then it's only fair that the T-34-3 also gets the same armor layout at least.

416 is the best regular tier 8 medium - hard to addapt , but you have tier 9 gun with great acc, dpm and prem ammo , good camo , mobillity .
34-2 is the shittiest tier 8 medium with horrible pen , dispersion, which wasnt buffed and isnt even hd yet (34-3 to) 2.9 sec aiming time for 250 alpha , fuel tanks and ammoracks all over the tank , hull that any tier 6 can butter like it isnt there at all.

Turret placement isnt an argument at all . Even giggled after read this bullcrap

I notice on that account you own a T34-3. But it shows you as never having played a T34-2. You have the A43, and the A44 but have not played the Object 416.

I notice on that account you own a T34-3. But it shows you as never having played a T34-2. You have the A43, and the A44 but have not played the Object 416.

Ive played T-34-3 , and 3 marked it - the tanks is sheeeet tho.
416 was my fav when i used to play on russian server (both accounts were created at the same time , eu made into open beta tho) . 25k battles there .

Ive played T-34-3 , and 3 marked it - the tanks is sheeeet tho.
416 was my fav when i used to play on russian server (both accounts were created at the same time , eu made into open beta tho) . 25k battles there .

I loved the Object 416 (doesn't mean that I was actually any good with it, but I could see the potential). But across the player base, there are many who struggle with the Object 416. This is why I suspect the Guard is an extremely dangerous tank in the hands of a good player but pretty meh for the majority of the player base. I am guessing it will not have a win rate curve like the Defender has on those graphs.