Friday, September 2, 2016

Cosmic Disclosure with David Wilcock and Corey Goode - On the Other Side of the Veil of Secrecy - with Special Guest, Dr. Bob Wood

This episode of Cosmic Disclosure left me with numerous ideas to consider, as it presented a fresh perspective on the classified world. Within the discussion, Dr. Bob Wood presented a case which I felt linked the world of black ops with that of non-classified operations in a very comprehensive way. If there was any downside to my effort to process this information, it was that I had too many ideas on direction to accomplish all of them in a week's time.

Dr. Wood's experiences present us with an informational connection which up until now, has been somewhat missing. This is the connection between that which is somewhat familiar to us and that which has amazed us beyond comprehension. It is not that the amazing material we have seen has not been exciting to learn about, but to have some level of grounding in the familiar helps us to realize and to visualize the testimonies we hear from within the world of classified operations.

On the Other Side
of the Veil of Secrecy - with Dr. Bob Wood

David Wilcock: All right, welcome to
“Cosmic Disclosure”. I'm your host, David Wilcock. And in this
episode, I am here with Corey Goode, and I'm also here with Dr. Bob
Wood.

And Dr. Bob Wood is going to be our
focus. Part of the reason why is that he has been acquainted with
William Tompkins since 2009 and knows a great deal about Tompkins'
testimony. In fact, he's practically a walking encyclopedia of what
Tompkins knows.

But, Bob, you also are coming into this
with a lifetime of very bizarre, interesting experiences related to
this whole topic of cosmic disclosure. So I just want to hand it over
to you now.

And I know you said that you have some
very critical autobiographical information you want to give us about
yourself that will become very relevant as we go forward in your
story in the timelines of what's happened to you.

Dr. Bob Wood: Yes. It started,
actually, in 1949 at the University of Colorado when I graduated.

And after then, I got a job at Douglas
Aircraft Company for the summer because my father was a professor,
and he was always talking with the guys who were hiring engineers.

So he just . . .

David: Douglas is the same company that
William Tompkins worked for.

Wood: Exactly. It was . . .

David: Right.

Wood: Douglas, at that time, had merged
to McDonnell-Douglas in 1968.

David: Right.

Wood: So my first summer job was
working on missiles that day. I worked for some of the same people
that later turned out Bill Tompkins was working for.

David: That's wild.

Wood: It is wild. But actually . . .

David: Could you give us a couple of
names?

Wood: Yeah. Dr. Klemperer was one of
them. Wolfgang Klemperer.

David: Klemperer, right. He calls him
'Klemp' in the book sometimes.

Wood: That's right. Yeah. And the other
one was Elmer Wheaton.

Elmer Wheaton later became a vice
president of Douglas until he got hired by Lockheed.

So after one summer job, I went to
start to get my PhD, and I got my . . . I had a break, and I took
another summer job and worked for some of the same guys.

But it was interesting that at that
time, I looked around to see if there were any vaults [secret think
tanks] or secret things going on, and I was told there weren't any,
and I didn't ever notice any.

But it turned out that towards the end
of that summer, at that same time, if I had been paying attention, I
could have seen Bill Tompkins walking down the aisle.

David: No kidding.

Note:

The level of compartmentalization at Douglas Air Company seems to have been effective in this case. In an average work environment, we might expect to see coworkers meeting in a break area or participating in company meetings. However, this does not at all seem to have been the case for a military contractor company such as Douglas.

Wood: Yeah.

David: Ha, ha, ha. Very interesting.

Wood: So from there I went on and got
my PhD, and then I went to work for Douglas until they drafted me. I
went to work for the Aberdeen Proving Ground for a couple of years
and worked on ballistic . . . well, shell dynamics. It was a good
experience.

With that behind me then, I was asked
to select an area, and so I selected thermodynamics, because they
were really starting to build – actually, it was the Air Force, the
M-18 that Bill Tompkins worked on.

Wood: . . . and they worried about
whether the back of this Thor missile would get hot, and so that was
one of the challenges. Actually, I spent most of my time early on
working on the Nike-Zeus missile.

And I actually hired Jerry Buss, of
known fame now, who was a chemist, to decide how much Teflon we
should put on the leading edges of the fins on this missile to keep
it cool.

Well, anyway, my career went on, and I
got involved in aerospace management. We managed the independent
research and development program. And I got involved in the Space
Station design later on.

And by 1993, I retired.

But in 1968, there was an unusual event
that happened that caused me to become involved in UFOs.

Note:

This is the type of testimony which helps us to better ground our perspective in that which is somewhat familiar to us. We may be well familiarized with the technology behind the International Space Station as well as the mechanics that cause a chemical rocket to fly, but with regard to the advanced technology we learn about, there is quite a bit to uncover with regard to understanding.

To hear that the ISS was actually complimented with advanced technology may present an interesting case when it comes to those who doubt the possibilities of advanced space flight. Though the non-classified side of the space program has its share of advanced technology, there seems to be far more about these technological platforms that we have yet to consider, and as stated before, a grounded perspective such as this one can help bridge that gap quite nicely.

David: Okay.

Wood: It was pretty simple. My boss
said, “Hey, I've got to give a briefing to the Air Force next week.
And they want to know, 10 years from now, how we would go to orbit
and back.”

And I said, “Well . . . “ - just
for a joke – I said, “Well, Ray, why don't we tell them how many
alleged UFOs would do it.” And he said, “That's a great idea. Why
don't you work on that?”

So I read my first UFO book, and it was
by Don Menzel. And he wrote the . . .

Wood: I read my first UFO book. And I
kind of concluded, “I don't care if this guy is a famous
astronomer, he's obviously ignoring the data.” So I read more
books, and the briefing went off okay.

But a year later, my boss was out of
town, and his bosses had me give the usual report on how we were
doing on contracts and that sort of thing. And at the end of this
meeting, he said, “By the way, Dr. Wood, we don't often see you.
Tell us what you're doing that's interesting.”

And I said, “Well, you're not going
to believe this, but I've read 50 UFO books in the last year, and I
have concluded that everything is certain. That is, we know that
there's aliens coming here in spacecraft. The only thing that's not
sure is whether we figure out how they work before or after our
Lockheed competitor.”

And there was a moment of silence, and
my boss said, “What do you think it would take to look into that?”

So for the next year and a half,
actually, they gave us a half a million dollars. I hired Stan
Friedman, who's now a well-known UFO guy, to read the literature and
see whether or not there was something in the literature that would
tell us how they work.

We had a laboratory. We did laboratory
tests. We hired a detective to interview abductees and stuff like
that, which, in those days, was kind of outside the norm.

Note:

It is monumental statements such as this that make me want to write so much more on this topic. Dr. Wood seems to have a way of making statements that carry so much weight and significance, and yet he makes them as though these are normal occurrences (though no disrespect to him). This can be a bit overwhelming, as the number of questions and thoughts that go through my mind tend to pile up faster than I have a chance to take note of them. At the same time, these statements come so casually that it is easy to miss them.

This is actually one way that we can tell that Dr. Wood is the real deal. From listening to the testimony of many whistleblowers and observing their mannerisms and tendencies, there is one which seems to be common among those who are genuine and authentic. That is this same way of making mind-boggling and amazing statements as though they were nothing more than casual topics. This casual speech shows that these otherworldly experiences that Dr. Wood had happened so often that they became just another part of a normal day for him. I believe this point is raised later in the conversation.

David: So what were you thinking, Bob,
when you're seeing, obviously, all this data? You're obviously a
credible, credentialed PhD. You're looking into this data
scientifically. You have a half million dollar budget in 1968
dollars.

And then you're looking at the public
and how the media is presenting this as if it's a big farce, and it's
a joke. And, “Oh, it's all swamp gas!” What did you feel about
that at that time?

Wood: Well, that's when the swamp gas
report first came out, is actually that era.

David: Right.

Wood: It turns out that I was focused
on learning something, and so I joined organizations I thought were
relevant – MUFON and CUFOS. And I would up meeting James McDonald.

And so whenever he came to town, I
would go to his lectures, and I became pretty aware of the work that
he did.

He was the one who said, “You ought
to go visit the Condon Committee and tell them what you think.”

Wood: And I said, “Well, . . “, I
told Condon and his committee, I said, “Do you know we're doing a
little study? And we did come up with one way that you could build a
UFO that would potentially work. You could hover in the Earth's
magnetic field.”

So I went through designs. And it
turned out, it doesn't work, because it's not practical.

But at the end of this visit, I decided
that I would write Professor Condon a memo, a note, which I had
properly approved. And I had suggested to him that maybe he could
divide his team up into two parts: part of the believers and the
nonbelievers, the skeptics.

And he got this letter. I also, in this
letter, decided that I would send a copy to everybody on his
committee.

David: Ha, ha, ha.

Wood: Ha, ha, ha. Well, he was so upset
that he called up James S. McDonald on the phone and tried to get me
fired.

David: Really?

Wood: Yeah. And I had no knowledge of
this until months later, when my vice presidential boss said that he
had to deal with that.

And fundamentally, James McDonald
didn't like some university professor telling him how to run his
business. And I had performed all the required approval signatures
before this letter went out.

David: Could you just . . . For the
viewer . . . I'm sure we're going to get comments if I don't say
this. Explain to people who James McDonald is?

Wood: James McDonald was one of the
scientists and atmospheric physicists, actually, who really dug into
the individual cases, especially those that involved radar lighting
up – all the physical cases. And he put them together so
effectively that he testified to Congress that there were clearly . .
. that there were objects there.

David: Right.

Wood: So Jim McDonald and I became good
friends and colleagues, and I was dismayed to find out that he'd
committed suicide a couple years later. I could never imagine that
happening.

But, actually, I did . . . it was . . .

David: Do you think it was suicide or
not? I mean, a lot of times these guys commit “suicide”.

Wood: I have now concluded, with all
the apparently classified work that the CIA has done on influencing
people and psychotic drugs and stuff like that, anything's possible.

David: Yeah.

Wood: But the one thing that told me
that McDonald was really interesting is . . . I knew him well enough
that once I was going through Tucson on business, and I stopped off,
and he was willing to meet me at the airport. So we had been looking
at the evidence, and he said, “Bob, I think I figured . . . I
finally out how it's working.”

And in hindsight, I have concluded what
he had found . . . he had found one of the top secret documents that
said that we had really recovered lots of craft.

David: Hm-mm.

Wood: And in those days, that would
have been a huge revelation. But he didn't tell me that. He just
said, “I finally found out what's really going on.” And that was
the last I knew. And the next thing I knew, he was dead.

Corey: Yeah, that sounds suspicious.

David: Well, it's really fascinating
just to have you here and to be getting a window into this history of
Project Blue Book and the whole very obvious government cover-up that
was put in place.

And for you to have been given the same
budget money as the Condon Report, but yet your findings obviously
were not put on the same level in the media as the whitewash.

Wood: Well, actually, the reason for
that was McDonald was . . . He was really a pretty pressure guy. He
said, “Dr. Wood, because of all the work you're doing, you ought to
testify to Congress.”

David: Right.

Wood: So he set it up so I could be on
a congressional committee. I got an invitation from them, actually.
So I consulted my management, and I said, “Look,” I said, “You
guys are treating me pretty well. I'm a Deputy Director and going on
to a pretty good career, it seems like. And I've got this opportunity
to testify before Congress.”

And one of the VPs, who was kind of my
friend, he said, “Well,” he said, “I don't ever remember
knowing anybody who had a lot of good from coming to testify to
Congress.” Ha, ha, ha.

David: Ha, ha, ha.

Note:

Again, I find it amazing just how many experiences the Dr. Wood has had during his career–the people he has met, the things he has seen. With all of the experiences of his, it just seems as though there is so much more he has to say about each of these observations. However, I would imagine that by this time, he may not know what would be interesting to hear by us in the audience, seeing that we have so little inside knowledge of this classified world.

One thought which comes to mind is just how quickly we could have had full disclosure if such drastic steps were not taken by the Military Industrial Complex to silence everyone who talked too much or learned more than they were intended to. I still believe that our full knowledge is completely possible. However, in past years, the efforts to bring this disclosure have been delayed by the unscrupulous restriction of the cabal to maintain secrecy.

Wood: So I thought about it a lot, and
I decided, no, I wouldn't do it. And, furthermore, right about that
same time, we lost the MOL program. And we just got an opportunity to
bid on a ballistic missile program – defense program. And they
didn't have any radar guys.

And furthermore, on this project, we
knew how fast we were spending money on these four or five different
aspects, but we didn't know how close we were getting to any answer.

So we all agreed, “Let's kill it.”
So we stopped it in 1970.

Corey: 1970.

Wood: And I made a deal with Stan
Friedman that he would never talk about this. And we were going to
write it up to tell the government what we'd done, and it turned out
that our management decided, “No, we'll pay for it right out of
profits. We don't tell the government we're doing this subject.”

Then I became a radar expert for
ballistic missile defense for the next 10 years. And that turned out
to be interesting too because it gave me top secret clearance for
stuff, and the CIA was a customer to study the Soviet ballistic
missile defense program.

And my career went on until I got
assigned to the Space Station. So for the next 10 years, I worked on
the Space Station, which is a lot of fun, you know. It's up there
now.

Corey: Yeah.

David: So you're talking about the
International Space Station, the ISS?

Wood: Yeah. Yes. Yeah.

David: What was your role in the ISS's
development?

Wood: My role there was to try to make
the Space Station cheaper, better, sooner or safer by using advanced
technology. It turns out that really, it was a low-tech thing, and we
made it out of aluminum, for heaven's sakes, you know.

Corey: Hm-mm.

Wood: It's the cheapest. So the
question was, could we take any of this high, sophisticated stuff
that I'd been managing, and get some benefit out of it by putting it
on the Space Station?

Wood: . . . except for this one little
tweak there where I was working on the UFO program.

David: Sure.

Wood: And then when I retired . . .
However, in the process of knowing about some classified material, I
was working with a guy in a vault who was interested in some psychic
stuff. So he introduced me to Russell Targ and Harold “Hal”
Puthoff over at Stanford.

David: Oh, yeah.

And so we took a visit up to Stanford,
and I got exposed to remote viewing and . . .

Corey: At Stanford Research, when they
were actually . . .

Wood: Yeah, right.

Corey: . . . doing that work?

Wood: Yeah, when they were doing that
work.

Corey: Wow!

Wood: That was the '80s. And, in fact,
my enthusiastic guy in the vault said, “Well, why don't we turn in
a proposal to James McDonald and try to do a coordinate remote
viewing job, experiment?” So we did.

In remote viewing, a target is
selected, a person is selected, and at the right time, the person is
asked to describe the target, which they've never seen.

David: What would the target be, for
example?

Wood: It could be a ship sinking in the
ocean.

David: Okay.

Corey: Or a new type of radar on a ship
that we haven't got a good look at.

Wood: Yeah.

David: Okay.

Wood: However, in this particular case,
one of the things that had never been done in that time was to just
use the coordinates. And they would take the coordinates of latitude
and longitude, and those are the coordinates that are on a piece of
paper. And the remote viewer is asked to describe what those
coordinates . . . what's at those coordinates.

Wood: Yeah. Right, right. So we did
that. Actually, it turned out that James S. McDonald, without taking
the proper advice of his lawyers, he gave us $25,000 to do that.

Then later on, they found out what he
does. “Never do that again!”

David: Ha, ha, ha.

Wood: Well, that was just a minor
portion of everything I did. What happened, however, was that I met
Hal Puthoff, who exposed me to the fact that there were people who
were thinking about things psychically. And I became active in the
SSE – Society for Scientific Exploration – a group of university
professors, typically, who were willing to think outside the box.

In any case, I retired in 1993, having
had what I thought was a fun, successful, career, beginning with the
missiles and ending with the Space Station, and having lots of fun on
classified work in between.

David: Yeah.

Wood: I couldn't have had a better
career. So then, in about 1995, my former long-time friend, Stan
Friedman, who had been my first employee, called me up and said,
“Hey, I've got a fax that looks like it's a classified document. I
got it from a guy by the name of Don Berliner, who works in this
area.

He said, “It's sort of a fax. It's
called 'Extraterrestrial Entities and Technology, Recovery and
Disposal'. Would you like to try to authenticate it?”

David: Wow!

Wood: And I said, “Why, sure. I'm not
doing anything.” Ha, ha. So I went and I visited and got the
high-quality copies of this document, which was a Special Operations
Manual, 1-01, and replicated it in great detail and went and talked
to a guy at the printing office and showed him the document.

And he read it. It was stamped “Top
Secret”, which was a little bit awkward, but . . .

David: Right.

Corey: Yeah. Approach him, “Oh, by
the way, I have a top-secret document in my hand.” That doesn't go
over very well. I'm surprised he touched it.

Wood: He read it. And then he put it
down, and he said, “You know,” he said, “based on the content,
I'd say it's clearly . . . It's a hoax.”

Wood: Yeah. Based on the . . . However,
he said, “If I look at the details of the font that was used in
that area, furthermore,” he said, “the tail of the F and the G
are specifically relevant to that. In addition,” he said, “I
found that there are three raised Zs in this document.”

And I said, “Well, what's that
about?”

And he said, “Well, what happens is
when you have a hot lead printing press, it turns out that a rarely
used letter, like the z, gets some crud underneath it and doesn't
properly seat. And so you can read a document, once in a while, you
find that those Zs are slightly raised off of the base.”

And he said, “I found three Zs in
this document that were raised. Therefore, I know that it was printed
on a hot lead printing press, and it would have had to have been in
that era of 1954.”

So he said, “This was clearly printed
on one of our printing presses, either in the basement of the
Pentagon or right in this building here.”

Corey: Yeah, because he would be
familiar enough to know the typeset, where things were placed on the
page, how the dates are arranged, everything.

Wood: Right. So anyway, my son, who had
met Stanton Friedman when he was 15 years old, got interested in this
stuff, and he and I became partners.

So we gave a speech at one of the UFO
meetings in Connecticut. And at that meeting, they responded by
saying, “Wow! This is the first time we've seen anything that seems
to be analytically evaluated and has an authenticity aspect that is
pretty good.”

So I declared that I was going to
become an . . . authenticating documents, but in the meantime,
another person came out of the woodwork that Stan Friedman had heard
from, Timothy Cooper, who lived in Big Bear Lake.

David: Oh, yeah.

Wood: And nobody had ever gone to see
Timothy Cooper. So Stan asked me if I'd go see him because I lived
closer than he did in Canada.

I said, “Sure”.

So I went to see Timothy Cooper, and
Timothy . . . he said he was delighted to have somebody actually pay
attention to the fact that he had some leaked classified documents.
And he went over the background with them and all that.

Well, that's kind of a long story, but,
in effect, it put me in . . . well-known in the business of being a
document authenticator. So I've been able to establish that kind of
as my expertise area.

And along the way, I got asked by Joe
Firmage to make a . . . well, actually, to authenticate his
documents, and to . . .

David: Really?

Wood: Yeah.

David: So for those who don't know, Joe
Firmage is this guy who had a very large amount of money who popped
up for a while in the late 1990s and wanted to finance UFO
investigations.

Wood: Well, I don't want to say
anything on this show that would be inappropriate, but I think that
what actually happened is perfectly okay. What happened was that Joe
Firmage had heard the word that I had some of these documents that I
was trying to authenticate.

So he called me up out of the blue, and
he said, “Hi. I'm Joe Firmage.” He said, “I've got a yacht in
Newport Beach. You live in Newport Beach.” He said, “Could I . .
. if I could authenticate those documents, would you be interested in
lending them to me?”

And I said, “Well, let me think about
that.” And I called up . . . And he said, “Well,” he said, “if
you want to check me out, you can check Harold Puthoff. He knows me.”
So I hung up with Joe and then called up Hal, and said, “Who is
this guy?”

And he said, “Well, he's a good guy.”

David: Yeah.

Wood: And . . .

Corey: He's not going to steal the
documents, right?

Wood: That's right.

Corey: That's what happens a lot.

Wood: So in the meantime, in this
conversation, Joe had asked me, “Well, what do you think they're
worth?”

And I said, “I don't know. They might
be worth millions.”

So anyway, I went, had the meeting. My
wife, in the meantime, had wondered why I'd been wasting all my time
since I retired studying UFOs. So I went down to this meeting, and
Joe looked the documents over.

He said, “This is exactly what I
want, Dr. Wood. What I'd like to do is I'd like to borrow these, have
them authenticated, and if they're authentic, I'll print 2,000 copies
of them for you under your specifications, and you can have them all
back.”

And so I said, “Well, Joe, is that .
. . that's your proposition?”

He said, “Oh, no. I forgot
something.” He opened up his briefcase and took out a check for
$500,000 already made out to me.

David: Oh, my gosh.

Wood: So I got on the phone with my
son, and we couldn't figure out any reason to not accept the offer.

Wood: So we checked it out. Turns out,
it was in the same bank I banked with. And then Monday morning, I
went. It was good. Called up Joe and said, “Joe, do you want to go
ahead with this deal?”

And he said, “Yes.” He said, “I
want you to do that. Cash the check.”

David: Wow!

Note:

Considering the situation of finding out that Harold Puthoff was actually trustworthy, was extremely fortunate for all parties involved. There have been so many accounts of lost evidence, or lost documentation which would have easily authenticated the stories of those who make claims about E.T. life and secret programs. Often times these claims go unsubstantiated, or the documents are unfortunately lost in some way. However, in Dr. Wood's case, it seems that fortune was on the side of Wood and his people in disclosing this information to the public.

It is a rare thing to see formerly classified information come into the light of day without being hampered by the establishment. Most information we might otherwise find interesting is so fractured and incomplete that the only elements which reach the public eye wind up being undefined half-truths and meaningless speculation. However, Dr. Wood is one of many who have substantially defined the UFO phenomenon as real, as scientifically possible, and as that which is currently taking place in the sky above our heads.

Wood: So that turned out to be very
effective. Joe did everything he said he would do. He got it all
printed, helped . . . assigned his company to help work with my son
and me for that.

And then he liked the whole idea so
much - of the secrecy, of the country, and so forth - that he wanted
to do a television documentary called “The Secret”, where we took
the essential ingredients of our authenticity procedures and tried to
share them on this television documentary.

David: Just to be clear, this is not
the movie, “The Secret” that says that you can ask the universe
for as much money as you want, and the universe gives you the money?

Wood: It's a different movie. It's
called . . .

Corey: And a different secret. Ha, ha.

David: Ha, ha.

Wood: The full title of the movie is
“The Secret: Evidence We Are Not Alone.”

Wood: But as the book, “Selected by
Extraterrestrials”, got published, it turned out that Michael
Salla, who is a well-known researcher and author, had just published
a book about the Secret Space Program. And he said he wanted to
interview Bill Tompkins, would I help him do that?

So I decided that I want to know
something about Salla before I did that. Even though I'd known him
some years before, I hadn't read his recent work. So I bought his
book, “The Secret Space Program”.

And that's where your name, I think,
first . . . I first saw . . .

Corey: It first popped up for you.

Wood: Yeah. So I read this book. I
said, “Wow! There's more to this than I thought.” I never
imagined there might have been a Secret Space Program.

And then as I started to think about
what Bill had been showing me, namely images that he had drawn in
1954 of one kilometer long spacecraft that it might have been the
beginnings of a Navy program that could have become something like
Solar Warden, which is presumably one of potentially several space
programs that may indeed be in existence.

So it's just in the last year that my
mind has suddenly been able to grasp the idea that we might really
have had these Secret Space Programs.

If fact, if there's any one thing I've
learned now that I didn't know five years ago, it's the incredible
level of secrecy in this government for this and other subjects.

It's absolutely incredible that people
would . . . I mean, if you tried to tell somebody that the Nazis had
a space base on the far side of the Moon in '45, they'll look at you
as if you're from some other world.

Note:

It can be expected that to those uninitiated to the idea of Secret Space Program operations, such unusual ideas may not be the most attractive. There will, without a doubt, be a fairly steep learning curve when it comes to educating the people on the subject of off-world operations, but I think it is important to have vision for when these subjects become normal topics of conversation.

Image for a moment a time when there is no learning curve–when you could walk up to anyone on the street and strike up a conversation about the operations on the planetoid Ceres or on the back side of the moon. Image the secrecy ending and that these formerly secret operations begin to move to the near side of the moon. I don't think there could be a clearer sign of global change than a night sky full of traffic visibly traversing the distance from the Earth to the moon and back Star-Trek style.

I image that this level of candidness would garner an entirely new way of living on planet Earth. Plus it would give people a reason to spend their nights in the yard watch the light show take place in the sky above.

David: Ha, ha, ha.

Wood: So I have tried this technique.
If I can convince you that the Nazis had a space base on the Moon in
1945, would you believe everything else I'm going to tell you? Ha,
ha, ha.

David: Ha, ha, ha. So Corey, Bob walked
in today with a piece of paper printed out, high resolution, of a
diagram that Tompkins made of one of these craft that he was working
on.

Corey: One of the cigar-shaped ones.

David: Cigar-shaped, modular. Lots of
little blocks that all are built to be able to fit together and build
one of these. What was your feeling when you saw that?

Corey: Well, actually, I had . . .
before I had seen it, I had worked with an artist to depict one of
these craft, and they were very similar.

Wood: Really?

Corey: Very similar. And they were,
indeed, very modular. Everything was . . . The whole middle of the
craft was . . . The walls could come in real close or it could be
pushed way back, and they could build modular rooms to do research in
them.

So a lot of what he designed came
about.

Wood: Well, one of the things that
excites me is the fact that the things that he . . . everything he
says he did, what I've been able to confirm, it was exactly correct.
All the people that he said he knew, I knew those same people.

Wood: But the fact that he was, for
example, working in this think tank – that's what he called it, a
think tank, instead of a 'vault' – and in this think tank with
Lemperer and Wheaton, every so often, they would get a phone call
from the Navy.

Well, one of the people who he said
occasionally called him was Bobby Ray Inman.

Wood: And I checked to find out how old
he would have been, and he would have been just starting up in his
career, maybe as a lieutenant or something like that. And he was the
guy who was telling Tompkins' group what to do next.

So you put that together with the fact
that this kilometer-long craft kind of resembles what the Navy might
have build later, would seem to be consistent with the Navy having
been involved in that process.

The wide variety of things that
Tompkins worked on at TRW is pretty exciting to me. And he said that
they had a green light to look on anything that was interesting in
the whole world.

You know, how were the pyramids really
built? How do you keep somebody living forever or as long as the
pharaohs used to live? How do you do that?

And there was nothing that was off
limits. How do UFOs work?

And, of course, one of the things that
most people are surprised at is that Bill's . . . his direct
testimony, the fact that the RAND Corporation was specifically formed
by Douglas in order to study the alien problem.

Note:

This is the subject of RAND and Douglas Air Company that may be an entire article in the making, and I wish that I had the energy to work on it at this point. However, for now, it's going on the To-Do list, and being saved for later. This topic could make for an extremely interesting article at some point.

David: Oh, wow!

Corey: Yeah, that's pretty big.

Wood: Yeah. But . . . well, my comments
on RAND would be that I think they have modified a great deal from
their original purpose. I think when they started, they hired two
groups. They decided to have a group of people who were given the
real data that the Navy had presumably recovered from the 19-- . . .
the Battle of LA crash.

And then they had another group of
people who were skeptical scientists, who would be willing to ask the
question of what would it take to have intelligent life? Is it . . .
How would you do that?

And it turned out that my uncle, that
is from my first wife, was an employee of RAND in the second
category. And he and I had many firsthand conversations, and he was
the classic skeptical physicist. He tried to prove to me that you
can't travel faster than the speed of light. Nothing will happen.

But now, Bill Tompkins is saying that
there was another part of RAND that was studying the real data. And
he didn't know anything more about what RAND was doing though. All he
knew is what he was doing in the vault. And what he was doing in the
vault was based on what he was being told.

I don't think he ever claims to have
seen any recovered parts.

David: I'm curious about the timing of
Tompkins coming forward. I mean, yes, you say he was working on his
book for 10 years. But we have Corey, who was given briefings, saying
that multiple insiders were going to come forward who would be able
to corroborate what he said.

And I'm really curious about your
thoughts on . . . I mean, you say that there was no direct
involvement in the writing of Tompkins' book with intelligence
services or anything like that. But as far as you know, you're
authorized to say whatever you want to say? You're cleared to come
forward like this?

Wood: And the only risk I worry about
is I don't want to say anything that would cause a libel suit or
anything like that.

David: Sure.

Wood: But other than that, we're
perfectly . . .

Corey: And I'm sure there's other
classified things you worked on that are . . . don't pertain to this
that you can't talk about.

Wood: Well, actually, the only
classified thing that I worked on was really not very exciting. You
know, since we were experts in ballistic missile defense, this group
I managed was experts in the Soviet ballistic missile defense, and
that's what I studied, is how did the Soviets defend against our
missiles.

Well, it's no big deal. You'd expect
there to be . . . them to have a program like that. I mean, it would
be classified with the details of how they did it and the fact that
actually, some of their ideas were better than ours. That would be
classified. Ha, ha, ha.

David: Well, we also had a
conversation, and I might be throwing you in a little bit by saying
this, but . . . where Tompkins told me that he's still on the inside.

Wood: I'm a little mystified about why
Bill won't tell me 100% of everything. He does show that he is still
. . . appears to be invited to the annual West Conference that the
Navy has, with the clearances that get him into rooms he shouldn't be
into.

And, in fact, that happened just this
year. Someone has determined that even at his age, he's perfectly
willing to be told about things that nobody knows about. He went
through . . . into one room where he saw information on Solar Warden.

Note:

This is another subject that seems extremely interesting to me. However, I consider the fact that there are some who are still on the inside, and yet still divulge certain details about secret operations. I find it difficult to imagine how people such as Dr. Pete Peterson and William Tompkins who are well-known whistleblowers are still invited to private meetings on presently classified information.

It is understandable that certain aspects of information are intentionally controlled by the Military-Industrial Complex. Also, the present level of secrecy may only be present because some of those behind the secrecy don't believe the population can handle the truth, but at the same time, these people may be clearing certain facts to be disclosed. It may be that they know they can trust Dr. Peterson and Tompkins to only disclose at a certain pace. (However, this is not to say that these men are necessarily "controlled" in any way.)

It is clear that the walls of secrecy are coming down, and we know that there are those within the SSP who want to see events progress in a positive direction. This being the case, it is understandable that they are still somewhat cautious, though at this point I personally think the full data dump is in order.

David: Really?

Wood: Yeah.

David: At one of these classified
meetings?

Wood: The last one.

David: Really?

Wood: Yeah.

David: Wow!

Wood: There was nobody there but
contractors. So . . .

David: Are you aware that Corey worked
in Solar Warden?

Wood: Well, yeah. I assumed that.

Corey: Right.

Wood: Yeah.

Corey: That was the '80s project.

Wood: But did you, Corey, go to deal
with contractors in the program?

Corey: No. There were civilians. There
were civilian . . . what they called 'eggheads', scientists and
engineers and that type of thing.

Wood: Yeah.

Corey: But there was never discussion
of who they worked for corporation-wise, if they did work for a
corporation, or if they were just recruited.

Corey: So I don't know if any of those
people worked at any of these defense . . .

Wood: But the assignment you had would
not have given you, normally, much information about the management
structure.

Corey: Right. Right. You really didn't
learn a whole lot about anything a tier ahead – above you. And you
would learn a little bit about some of the people you were working
with, but information didn't flow real freely when it . . . on
command structure.

Wood: Yeah.

David: If Tompkins is still having
these meetings, and he still has his clearance, and you seem to
believe that's true . . .

Wood: Yeah, I don't think he's being
told anything very specific on a regular basis. He claims that he was
told by Webster to tell it all. I think that's on the back cover of
the book.

David: Ah. And who's Webster, now?

Wood: He's an admiral that he knew
personally, I think, when he lived in Oregon, perhaps.

David: Okay.

Wood: A retired admiral.

David: Okay.

Wood: And he said, “Tell it all!”
And so that's why Bill feels comfortable in telling it all.

David: I want to ask you just a really
brief opinion question, and that is what was it like for you to
encounter Corey's testimony and see so many astonishing crossovers to
what you had been gathering from Tompkins in the preceding seven
years? What was that like for you?

Wood: I've concluded that your
involvement could conceivably have been the ultimate result of what
Tompkins might have started. But my feeling is that Tompkins didn't
have any way of following that in detail.

I really don't think that he . . . and
I talked to him today, actually. I didn't ask him this question. But
I don't think that he had any knowledge of a Navy space program while
it was being developed at all.

David: All right. Well, this is all the
time we have for in this episode of “Cosmic Disclosure”. I hope
you've enjoyed it. This is a really valuable window into the history
of UFOlogy.

And here we have somebody who was right
on the front lines of this fight for Full Disclosure, which I do
believe we are going to get, and this show is part of that process.

I'm David Wilcock, here with Dr. Bob
Wood and Corey Goode, and I thank you for watching.

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As stated before, this episode was so full of poignant information that one could spend days digesting it all. However, the detail is yet to be uncovered. I originally intended to launch an in-depth research project into these specific matters, but that may have been more than I can handle in one week's time. Until I am able to do this, I look forward to learning more on these subjects and getting to the bottom of all of the interesting subject matters which Dr. Wood discussed.

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