Sunday, March 13, 2016

Off Topic: Lynyrd gets Political

Why are Sanders and Clinton supporters attending Trump rallies? That behavior instigates trouble, and when trouble inevitably comes, they cry foul afterwards. If Trump supporters were attending Democratic rallies (with the sole intention of disrupting things), the Democrats and media would immediately cry foul, and fly into a complete rage. These “rally protesters” are not attending Trump rallies to simply “listen and learn”. They’re obviously there to disrupt things and “push back”, as one protester described. If they simply wanted to listen to Trump’s words (as some purport), they could easily watch video footage of Trump’s rallies on Youtube. If you don't like Donald Trump, simply vote against him. Every American gets one vote. It's a fair system. Use it. There's no need for this nonsense. And God forbid, if your candidate loses on election day, live with the outcome peacefully. It's called etiquette and civilization... and it's the American tradition.The bottom line:The "protesters" may be well-intentioned, but they're setting a bad precedent, and it's going to lead to bad things for everyone. Before you know it, Trump supporters will be attending Democratic rallies too. Do people really want THAT situation?? This train is heading in a bad direction folks, and it's not going to end well for anyone. As an American, support your candidate and beliefs by voting. Vote your conscience on election day, and leave things at that.For the record, I’m neither a Democrat nor a Republican. I’ve always been registered as an “Independent” or “Undeclared” voter. I’ll tell you what’s REALLY happening here:From the beginning, no one expected Donald Trump to have any chance at election… not even the Republicans themselves. Everyone wrote him off, as a comedy act. But now, he’s steamrolling his competition, and everyone’s getting nervous. That’s what these “protests” are REALLY about. If Trump had no shot at election, “protesters” wouldn’t even bother wasting their time attending his rallies. There’s a feeling of desperation in the air (amongst Trump detractors)… and this is the outcome.My final word:The people who support these “rally protests”, are the same people who would wear a Yankees hat into Fenway Park during a Red Sox World Series game. No, it’s not illegal to wear an “NY“ hat into Fenway Park, but it’s a risky proposition at best, and probably not very smart. Sometimes in life, you have to use your head. Respect the other team’s playing field, and exercise an ounce of self-preservation skills.If you don’t like Trump, vote against him on election day. It’s as simple as that. That’s our system.The Sheriff speaking in the video below, is 100% correct on ALL counts!God Bless him! FINALLY, someone with a fucking brain!

"Good points. But, Trump also personally calls for violence from his supporters. (it is recorded)

My response to him:

I've seen video footage of protesters overwhelming police, and refusing to back-up or disperse. Then when the police are forced to use pepper spray, it's the fault of the police?

A man also breached security and attempted to climb on-stage with Trump, and the secret service were forced to protect him. That's the secret service's fault?

You're supporting poor behavior here Paul. Two wrongs don't make a right. These "protesters" are literally going out of their way, to approach Trump supporters face-to-face at GOP rallies. It's bad news, and it's a poor show.

And might I add, Hillary Clinton is actually the only candidate, who is currently under criminal investigation.

The behavior and intent of these "rally protesters", is totally counter-productive (and hypocritical) for people "supposedly" seeking peace. If these are the "peacemakers", we're all in big trouble. These people are exhibiting the same exact behavior, that they're accusing Trump of promoting.

Hillary, Bernie and some Republicans are sending people over to cause trouble at Trump's rallies so they can go on TV and denounce Trump for being "trouble maker". This campaign is so pathetic. And then we have Rubio saying that Trump has a "small package". What is this? High School??

They're afraid of Trump because he doesn't have to bow and cowtow to special interest groups because he doesn't need their money.

Bernie Sanders admitted on TV that some of his supporters were the ones going to the Trump rallies, but he dismisses it because he "didn't tell them to". He's not taking responsibility, just trying to shove the blame on Trump.

Allow me to begin by saying that I am not a Trump supporter at this point.

The issue of free speech is often a misunderstood, or misapplied concept. In this example, while there are rights of free speech for the "protestors", there are also the rights of the supporters, as well as the candidate himself. Whose rights supersede? Do not the supporters have the right to hear the candidate speak? It is fairly obvious that these protestors are organized in their strategies, which raise the question of individual rights of speech versus an organized attempt to disrupt. There are varying opinions on whether HR347 applies to fixed locations versus campaign stops, but the law (which was signed by Obama) does allow for the prosecution of individuals who knowingly enters an area in which a person is protected by the Secret Service in order to disrupt, or cause problems. That would certainly limit a person's free speech, as it should.

Of course we know other areas in which free speech can be limited, such as yelling "fire" in a crowded area where no such event is occurring, or when a judge admonishes a jury not to speak about a case while impaneled, or defamation of character, fighting words, or threats.

It is interesting that all other candidates are blaming Trump for such outbreaks and that there are no calls to cease such activity from the protestors. That alone says a lot about this manufactured situation.

Where do I place blame? I place it squarely in college presidents, trustees and professors for starters. This nonsense of shouting down people with whom they disagree, profs using grades to intimidate students with contrary political views, using the lectern to issue opinions (not facts but opinion) about politics, name calling opposing people, trying to prevent opposing view speakers from speaking or being invited to speak, appropriating public space for themselves and getting in the face and disrupting students who are in a library trying to study has been allowed and coddled for far too long.

These kids are paying a lot of money and have been taught the wrong lesson. This intolerance and mob mentality has to end.

What I see a lot of these protestors using is Rule 10, and Rule 12 from Saul Alinsky's 12 Rules for Radicals. Sadly, the activity of these "students" are taught on today's college campuses. Though it has only be 34 years since I graduated from college, back in the late '70's there was still a bit of a balance on campus. Having majored in Political Science, one could easily get an education in which you learned both sides. Sadly, today's campuses are being taught, and administered by, a primarily leftist perspective. Only one viewpoint, regardless of the political persuasion, can be dangerous.

Bearing in mind that we are still in the Primary season of this year's election causes me concern for how the General season will be. Chicago '68 anyone?

Dilligaf said:"It is interesting that all other candidates are blaming Trump for such outbreaks and that there are no calls to cease such activity from the protestors. That alone says a lot about this manufactured situation.

You're absolutely right.

ALL the other candidates (both Democratic and Republican) are condoning this behavior.In fact, most of them, seem to be gloating over it!

That scares me... and it really makes me wonder... why would anyone, even consider voting for such candidates?

Some of these "protesters" (not all of them, but some) are the very same people, who will burn 5-6 cities to the ground, if Donald Trump wins the election fair and square.Will Clinton, Sanders, Rubio and Cruz be okay with that too?

Most of these "protesters" are college kids, and radical minority groups.

Most Democrats wouldn't engage in such behavior.

BUT... the problem is, the people who wouldn't participate personally, are condoning and encouraging this crap.Therein, lies the biggest problem.

Any parent who fails to discourage their college-age child from participating in this nonsense, is risking their child's safely.And the politicians who are fanning the flames, are putting these kids at risk also (for political gain).

These kids don't realize, that they're standing arm-in-arm, with some pretty hardcore groups.One such group, is a network called "Undocumented and Fearless".These people aren't even US citizens, and they're inciting danger to public safety.

Unfortunately, there's not much we can do, about the fanatical minority groups... that situation, is somewhat of a lost cause.

But, as for the college kids, I agree with Stormsurge... our colleges and politicians are encouraging these kids to commit crimes, and they're putting themselves and others in danger.

The media is so fucking biased in favor of democrats and liberalism, it's not even funny.Anyone who can't see that fact, has their head stuck firmly in the sand... or, up their ass.

I've watched newscast after newscast, which claim that Trump is slipping in the polls.Then, when primary day comes, he wins by a landslide!How is that accurate, unbiased reporting???

If these kids and fanatics REALLY wanted to buck "the system"... "the establishment"... the "status quo"... "go out on a limb"... "stick it to the man"... and "enact change", they're fighting on the wrong side of the fence.They're actually ENCOURAGING AND SUPPORTING the system!

Boy that's right-on Lynyrd. The media is a big part of the problem. They're focusing on everything negative about Trump, instead of focusing on negative activities or statements by the other candidates. Anyone who believes everything they hear on the news is just plain stupid.

Also, the liberals and atheists have chipped away at this country, so that now you have to be afraid to speak up for Christianity. This country was formed "Under God" and "In God We Trust" but that concept has been eroded for so many years that you can't even say "Merry Christmas" anymore.

That worries me more than anything else. Without God, this country will go to hell in a hand basket. And the ones who are destroying it won't even care.

Our current president (I won't capitalize that word) is letting them in by the droves. He won the last election by illegals. He has ruined this country so bad, I don't know if we can ever recover.

Back in the 1930's and 1940's we had other terrorists. The Nazis. They started slowly but soon started to take over the world, just like the current day terrorists. And our brave President Roosevelt took charge, along with his Congress and millions of brave American fighting men & women, and along with our allies, and we squashed them.

We can do it again, but we need to stick together. A country divided against itself CANNOT STAND!

Clinton says that Trump is embarrassing the U.S. IS SHE KIDDING? One of the most embarrassing events in the history of this country was when her husband was caught diddling an intern in the Oval Office, after lying about it over and over again. Now that's embarrassment!

You can appeal to people's innate fear of the other. You can make them congregate towards their own. But what you can't do is stop the hands of time from moving forward. Donald Trump goes the way of George Wallace and Barry Goldwater. Life in the bubble. It bursts.

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