There is a part of this I like, and there is a part of this I dont. Diana being on a mystic team is a like, Zatanna being on a mystic team is also a like, said mystic team branching out into the magical corner of the DCU is also a like. Whats less of a like, is the seemingly mandatory inclusion of Constantine (worst team-player in the DCU), the worshiping at the altar of Swamp Thing (who's a great cameo but should go stay in his swamp) and for some bizarre reason that the team is including Man-Bat... which I think is a signs of the Bat-writers mass migrating to the JL corner, add Bat-characters to teams they dont fit on.

There is a part of this I like, and there is a part of this I dont. Diana being on a mystic team is a like, Zatanna being on a mystic team is also a like, said mystic team branching out into the magical corner of the DCU is also a like. Whats less of a like, is the seemingly mandatory inclusion of Constantine (worst team-player in the DCU), the worshiping at the altar of Swamp Thing (who's a great cameo but should go stay in his swamp) and for some bizarre reason that the team is including Man-Bat... which I think is a signs of the Bat-writers mass migrating to the JL corner, add Bat-characters to teams they dont fit on.

I questioned that decision too. Man-bat is a creature of science not magic so what could he bring to this team.

I questioned that decision too. Man-bat is a creature of science not magic so what could he bring to this team.

Constantine would probably make a cameo but he's not in the roster.

Well... I sort of think Man-Bat is going to play off those old cheesy horror movies where some guy drinks the wrong fluid and turns into a monster, but yeah, he doesn't belong on this team. Azarel who's blasted off into space would be a better fit with St. Dumas and all that... but I suppose Man-Bat is going to be the way into the more science-like encounters.

He wasn't really on the team either during much DeMattis' run, still didn't stop him from taking up half the page space :)

@masterwitcher88: You should be really worried about Tynion. He turned Batman in to a jobber without a story in his own book. He can and may well throw Diana under the bus to prop all tbe other character because in his mind she already has JL, her own solo and a bunch of books coming out later like Earth One, Diana's daughter etc while the others dont so essentially this may well be a case where the writer is just cashing on one character to push others. Tynion has amply demonstrated that on Tec, Abnett follows a similar approach in Titans where Nightwing is a joke.

@masterwitcher88: You should be really worried about Tynion. He turned Batman in to a jobber without a story in his own book. He can and may well throw Diana under the bus to prop all tbe other character because in his mind she already has JL, her own solo and a bunch of books coming out later like Earth One, Diana's daughter etc while the others dont so essentially this may well be a case where the writer is just cashing on one character to push others. Tynion has amply demonstrated that on Tec, Abnett follows a similar approach in Titans where Nightwing is a joke.

@agent41: From time to time,watch it happen every month. Us Batman fans endure it twice a month.

No. It happens to her constantly. rebirth has been crap to her most of the time.

I was about to say. Happens to us WW fans ALL the time, especially since Nu52. Heaven and Earth forbid the day DC decides to let Diana shine as a powerhouse.

I guarantee anything remotely good that could come out of this Darkseid encounter will be met with great backlash.

They are milking the card of WW being an icon of self empowerment and equality. But for a good amount of time now, they haven't truly embraced it in comics. She never gets to do anything major. I mean, for example. Being shot?, more than once?. The same woman that has COUNTLESS better speed feats than blocking speeding bullets in her catalogue of feats, that could even handle a rain of bullets while being blind?. Anybody thinking that things haven't been bad for the most part since 2011, specially since 2016, is not seeing all the evidence in front of their eyes.

@tedirey: She's also the most powerful member of the team, close second is Swamp Thing. So we might actually get some cool feats.

Ha ha ha. Guess I have to agree with you on that one even though Swamp Thing and Zatanna are uber powerful.

Cool feats? It's a guarantee but it will surely focus more on her god-given gifts and abilities. Amazon's know very ancient magics and it would surely come into play. The series should also showcase the power of truth which is a universal concept. Nothing short of the Presence should be able to resist it.

@tedirey: She's also the most powerful member of the team, close second is Swamp Thing. So we might actually get some cool feats.

Ha ha ha. Guess I have to agree with you on that one even though Swamp Thing and Zatanna are uber powerful.

Cool feats? It's a guarantee but it will surely focus more on her god-given gifts and abilities. Amazon's know very ancient magics and it would surely come into play. The series should also showcase the power of truth which is a universal concept. Nothing short of the Presence should be able to resist it.

The power of the lasso of truth should also showcase its ability in rendering reality manipulation, illusions and mind control useless. Also, it should be capable of negating magics and form a protective barrier against magical attacks just like in Perez and Jimenez runs.

I'm also hoping that the series would show how powerful the godwave really is. It's already mentioned in rebirth. Hope they don't forget that it is the totality of all the power of the DC universe and that the DC gods have the lion's share.

They should probably inject the series with a lot of Vertigoesque concepts. Just like how Odin and other DC gods are shown not only as a peer but as a threat to Lucifer.

We do have a showing like that even in the DC mainstream universe when Cronus thrashed Heaven far better than Lucifer ever did. Here's hoping....

So excited about this book! I know what some people are concerned about Tynion, I have read his run on detective comics. He has a habit of putting everyone on the team on equal footing. It means there is a high chance we will sometimes see Diana get punked just so that he can show that someone like man-bat is also awesome. But at this point I am just happy with the fact that Diana is getting another book. And there is always a chance we might get to see Diana being awesome. Also from the looks of it, Scott Snyder might be over seeing this book. So yeah, pretty excited for this book.

@archizooom: Martinez has a cool look for Diana's sword and shield. At least it will look like a proper Greco-roman sword when she is using it.

The cloak looks cool too.

Hopefully she'll use it sparingly though, I wanna see her use her strength, speed, skill and her brain more, all of which tend to be inversely proportional to the sword

I wonder if this would change if Diana got some fights with other good swords users?

I'm not familiar with Dark's villain roster, so I can't say.

I was thinking more in general terms since the complaint seems to be that Diana doesn't need skill as long as she as a sword.

Well there is a difference between skill with a weapon and skill in H2H(which she has be sorely lacking in). On top of the fact that she doesn't have many strength feats outside of scaling with Damage, Doomsday, and soon to be Darkseid. Lets not forget her lack of impressive Durability feats in rebirth thus far.

@archizooom: Martinez has a cool look for Diana's sword and shield. At least it will look like a proper Greco-roman sword when she is using it.

The cloak looks cool too.

Hopefully she'll use it sparingly though, I wanna see her use her strength, speed, skill and her brain more, all of which tend to be inversely proportional to the sword

I wonder if this would change if Diana got some fights with other good swords users?

I'm not familiar with Dark's villain roster, so I can't say.

I was thinking more in general terms since the complaint seems to be that Diana doesn't need skill as long as she as a sword.

Well there is a difference between skill with a weapon and skill in H2H(which she has be sorely lacking in). On top of the fact that she doesn't have many strength feats outside of scaling with Damage, Doomsday, and soon to be Darkseid. Lets not forget her lack of impressive Durability feats in rebirth thus far.

I wouldn't call her lacking in strength when she's showcased being able to fight with Superman, Damage and Doomsday. What she doesn't have is the Superman-like: 'Look at me lifting this heavy object.'

@archizooom: Martinez has a cool look for Diana's sword and shield. At least it will look like a proper Greco-roman sword when she is using it.

The cloak looks cool too.

Hopefully she'll use it sparingly though, I wanna see her use her strength, speed, skill and her brain more, all of which tend to be inversely proportional to the sword

I wonder if this would change if Diana got some fights with other good swords users?

I'm not familiar with Dark's villain roster, so I can't say.

I was thinking more in general terms since the complaint seems to be that Diana doesn't need skill as long as she as a sword.

Well there is a difference between skill with a weapon and skill in H2H(which she has be sorely lacking in). On top of the fact that she doesn't have many strength feats outside of scaling with Damage, Doomsday, and soon to be Darkseid. Lets not forget her lack of impressive Durability feats in rebirth thus far.

I wouldn't call her lacking in strength when she's showcased being able to fight with Superman, Damage and Doomsday. What she doesn't have is the Superman-like: 'Look at me lifting this heavy object.'

But fighting those characters is scaling. Not something solid. Like Darkseid is supposedly strong enough to destroy a planet with a couple punches, but fighting him doesn't necessarily me you can destroy planets too. It puts you on that level but its not the same as actually doing it.

The easiest thing to solve this is have her toss around heavy things from Greek Myth. Take Cerberus for example, have him be heavier then Jupiter or some other massive planet and have Diana display her strength by over powering him/lifting him. It be a clear reference to Hercules and a display that she is still "Stronger then Hercules" because of how easy it was for her.

@archizooom: Martinez has a cool look for Diana's sword and shield. At least it will look like a proper Greco-roman sword when she is using it.

The cloak looks cool too.

Hopefully she'll use it sparingly though, I wanna see her use her strength, speed, skill and her brain more, all of which tend to be inversely proportional to the sword

I wonder if this would change if Diana got some fights with other good swords users?

I'm not familiar with Dark's villain roster, so I can't say.

I was thinking more in general terms since the complaint seems to be that Diana doesn't need skill as long as she as a sword.

Well there is a difference between skill with a weapon and skill in H2H(which she has be sorely lacking in). On top of the fact that she doesn't have many strength feats outside of scaling with Damage, Doomsday, and soon to be Darkseid. Lets not forget her lack of impressive Durability feats in rebirth thus far.

I wouldn't call her lacking in strength when she's showcased being able to fight with Superman, Damage and Doomsday. What she doesn't have is the Superman-like: 'Look at me lifting this heavy object.'

But fighting those characters is scaling. Not something solid. Like Darkseid is supposedly strong enough to destroy a planet with a couple punches, but fighting him doesn't necessarily me you can destroy planets too. It puts you on that level but its not the same as actually doing it.

The easiest thing to solve this is have her toss around heavy things from Greek Myth. Take Cerberus for example, have him be heavier then Jupiter or some other massive planet and have Diana display her strength by over powering him/lifting him. It be a clear reference to Hercules and a display that she is still "Stronger then Hercules" because of how easy it was for her.

I'd just go for the grandfather of all lifting feats and just have her hold up the heavens for Atlas tbh.

That said, I really dont think there is anything wrong with scaling characters off one another... I mean that's why we read comics, to see which character can beat the other up, or thats part of the appeal, not which one can lift the heavier object.

@outside_85: why not both? One measurable one (Cerberus) and the other to show she possesses the ability to be infinitely strong.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. But when scaling is the only thing you have it gets questionable, especially when you have moments of PIS or CIS. Having a couple of solid feats to back up that scaling can go a long way.

@masterwitcher88: But see... you dont really because in terms of story, the strengths of the characters can also change up and down in accordance to what the writer wants. Like you had one of Lobdell's Superman issues where he's strapped to a machine and the doctor mentions he's technically been lifting the Earth for 5 days. And two issues later H'El showed up and kicked the crap out of him without breaking the solar system.

Not to mention these feats also stop meaning anything when there is never imposed an upper limit, so we never know if the characters are even putting and effort into it.

@outside_85: why not both? One measurable one (Cerberus) and the other to show she possesses the ability to be infinitely strong.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. But when scaling is the only thing you have it gets questionable, especially when you have moments of PIS or CIS. Having a couple of solid feats to back up that scaling can go a long way.

@masterwitcher88: But see... you dont really because in terms of story, the strengths of the characters can also change up and down in accordance to what the writer wants. Like you had one of Lobdell's Superman issues where he's strapped to a machine and the doctor mentions he's technically been lifting the Earth for 5 days. And two issues later H'El showed up and kicked the crap out of him without breaking the solar system.

Not to mention these feats also stop meaning anything when there is never imposed an upper limit, so we never know if the characters are even putting and effort into it.

I'd actually be fine with Diana having a little bit less strength than Superman or any other heavy hitter on the same level provided that DC is willing to accept that her skill level is so high that she is untouchable or unbeatable in one to one combat.

btw in the current run, do we know how long Diana was on Themyscira before she left?