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View Poll Results: When was America most free as a nation?

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Between the end of the Revolutionary War and the start of the Civil War?

Re: When was America most free as a nation?

That's what you're not getting - nobody's judging how you must live your life. You can live as you will...but you must live your life with consideration for those around you.

So you want to use all the water you can. And all of a sudden everybody else in the city decides they can, too. All of a sudden there's not enough water to go around...and everybody suffers...including you.

So is it better to allow you and everyone else to be as wasteful as you want to be with resources if we know that this could result in problems for the entire city down the road? Or is it better to put limits on everyone's use - to allow enough use of those resources to live comfortably, but not to be wasteful with them - to prevent those problems from happening in the first place?

Our local water department monitors everybody's usage. Those who exceed a 'normal' amount will be charged a premium. Those who are wasting water, i.e. allowing it to run in the street, are subject to a fine. The Federal government can indeed regulate water that must be shared by multiple states such as lakes or rivers that cross state lines or coastal waters or shared major aquifers, but that is between the federal government and state governments. The Federal government should have no interest of any kind in my personal water usage.

"I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it." --Benjamin Franklin 1776

Re: When was America most free as a nation?

Originally Posted by Grim17

The question was, "when was America most free as a nation". Jim Crow laws were not the law of the land... Those were put into place on a state and regional level, they weren't passed by congress and signed by the president.

Don't assume to know the knowlege I possess, just because my opinion doesn't meet with your approval.

Why do you think I mentioned a woman's right to vote in the first place? It was the one thing outside of the dateline I chose, that I wanted to be included with American freedoms. FFS

As for your suggestion, I often read things related to American history and consider my knowledge on the subject well above the average... Now since we're handing out advice, here's a suggestion I have for you.

When you use a false premise in order to attack or criticize people of opposing political beliefs, and you are called out for doing so, your best option (the most honest and most correct) is to either come clean, apologize and/or retract the post... as opposed to trying to legitimize or justify that false premise, by posting links to websites that not only prove that your premise was in fact false, but that you knew it was false when you posted it. What that does is transform your post from being nothing more than a simple mistake, into a calculated, purposeful lie on your part. I'm sure you are aware of the post I'm referring to, so there's no need for me to go into more detail.

So...if a few million Americans don't have the same rights you do, aren't allowed to go the same places you're allowed to go...to you, as long as YOU are free (even if those millions aren't), that's all the freedom that really concerns you?

“To do evil, a human being must first of all believe that what he’s doing is good" - Solzhenitsyn

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Re: When was America most free as a nation?

Originally Posted by Grim17

The question was, "when was America most free as a nation". Jim Crow laws were not the law of the land... Those were put into place on a state and regional level, they weren't passed by congress and signed by the president.

You're forgetting Plessy as a rather obvious example of "law of the land."

Re: When was America most free as a nation?

Originally Posted by AlbqOwl

Our local water department monitors everybody's usage. Those who exceed a 'normal' amount will be charged a premium. Those who are wasting water, i.e. allowing it to run in the street, are subject to a fine. The Federal government can indeed regulate water that must be shared by multiple states such as lakes or rivers that cross state lines or coastal waters or shared major aquifers, but that is between the federal government and state governments. The Federal government should have no interest of any kind in my personal water usage.

You really didn't get my point, did you? Even with the regulation of water by the federal and state governments, there's only so much water to go around.

If you and everyone else are allowed to use all the water you want, even if much of it is wasted, then when the water runs low because of everyone wasting so much water, everyone - including you - suffers.

So you believe that you and everyone else should be able to waste all the water you want just because you can, even if it leads to water rationing in the future? Or do you believe that a modicum of regulation would be more prudent if it would prevent that water rationing from ever happening?

Please answer the question.

“To do evil, a human being must first of all believe that what he’s doing is good" - Solzhenitsyn

"...with the terrorists, you have to take out their families." - Donald Trump

Re: When was America most free as a nation?

Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian

So...if a few million Americans don't have the same rights you do, aren't allowed to go the same places you're allowed to go...to you, as long as YOU are free (even if those millions aren't), that's all the freedom that really concerns you?

You are talking about the nation as a whole, not on a state to state basis.

Progressively, our freedoms have been deteriorating at the hands of the federal government for a century now, as well as the level at which our right are being trampled upon.

Re: When was America most free as a nation?

Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian

So spare me your white victimhood, guy, because most whites - not all, but most - in the Deep South are still doing their level best to keep their positions of power and supremacy in society there...the most obvious examples being the "segregation academies" that still exist...particularly in Mississippi. By the way, you do know that Mississippi's ratification of the Thirteenth Amendment abolishing slavery only became official last year, don't you?

Dude, dude, dude...cool it. I, of all people you run off at the mouth at, do NOT need a geography or history lesson from YOU. Nor do I need to know about the Negroes' plight AFTER being SOLD by their own tribal chieftains to the Amsterdam, Holland slave traders in the 1600s. Nor do I need to know all about your ancestors who are all buried in Mississippi. Nor do I give a flying turd.

I'm talking TODAY. NOW. And this **** is happening every day in this country.

Liberalism—dividing up the EARNED wealth of honest, hard working and ingenious AMERICANS and giving it to the leeches who would rather waste their worthless lives living off the government teat.
-----HogWash-----

Re: When was America most free as a nation?

Originally Posted by Grim17

I didn't choose the dates... If I could, I would have made it from the end of the civil war until 1921.

Is my position now clear?

The dating is more clear, but not the substance of the answer. You claimed that, "everyone in America had the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." But that was not the case for many groups of people who had no such expectations with the way they were being treated by their government (be it local, county, state, district court, or federal, etc.)