Not saying that it's not the case, but I'm intrigued about the rationale of why the flag counts more than the light.
Yes, on one hand they are more frequent and accurate than the lights. But on the other hand they are there in cases where visibility is difficult, and if so, the chances of seeing the lights are higher than seeing the flags.
Wouldn't it be dangerous the speed difference if the driver who is ahead only saw the yellow lights and slowed down, while the driver who is behind that saw the green flag arrived full blast?

Not saying that it's not the case, but I'm intrigued about the rationale of why the flag counts more than the light.

Oh c´mon, it´s not that hard. There´s no difference between flags and LED screens all around the circuit. It´s just that there are traditional flag posts without a LED screen.

LEDs on driver´s steering wheel are updated as you go throught LED screens, so they have no value, as you can be shown these yellow lights in the wheel despite have passed a marshall post without a LED to update them giving you a different indication.

Not saying that it's not the case, but I'm intrigued about the rationale of why the flag counts more than the light.Yes, on one hand they are more frequent and accurate than the lights. But on the other hand they are there in cases where visibility is difficult, and if so, the chances of seeing the lights are higher than seeing the flags. Wouldn't it be dangerous the speed difference if the driver who is ahead only saw the yellow lights and slowed down, while the driver who is behind that saw the green flag arrived full blast?

In addition to what Skinny said, In interlagos, right after turn 3 there is a marshall post with physical flags and electronic flags (whatever they are called in English, the one you see flasing yellow in the videos) then, further into the straight, there is another marshall post with just physical flags and no electronic flags (the famous one with the marshall waiving the green flag) and another one right before turn 4 with electronic and cloth flags (the one you see flashing in green). Here you have a map with the position of the marshallshttp://184.106.145.7...012-circuit.jpg

Yellow dot is a electronic flag, and green dot a marshal with his traditional cloth flags. Do you see the one on the left into the straight without yellow dot? There it is. It is not that the marshall waiving the flag gets priority over the electronic one, it's simply that there is no electronic flag

In addition to what Skinny said, In interlagos, right after turn 3 there is a marshall post with physical flags and electronic flags (whatever they are called in English, the one you see flasing yellow in the videos) then, further into the straight, there is another marshall post with just physical flags and no electronic flags (the famous one with the marshall waiving the green flag) and another one right before turn 4 with electronic and cloth flags (the one you see flashing in green). Here you have a map with the position of the marshallshttp://184.106.145.7...012-circuit.jpg

Let's make that even clearer, since some seem to have problems understanding that picture (and what the green/yellow dots mean):

Not saying that it's not the case, but I'm intrigued about the rationale of why the flag counts more than the light.Yes, on one hand they are more frequent and accurate than the lights. But on the other hand they are there in cases where visibility is difficult, and if so, the chances of seeing the lights are higher than seeing the flags. Wouldn't it be dangerous the speed difference if the driver who is ahead only saw the yellow lights and slowed down, while the driver who is behind that saw the green flag arrived full blast?

The onus is on FIA to get the lights and flags to synch. Even when it is yellow, the drivers don't normally cut down their speed that much that make them a hazard on the track. Collisions and interference with backmarkers are more likely to occur than a horrible crash under yellow due to conflicting flags and lights displayed on the race course.

Despite the expert analysis done by senior members it's hard to see how this is not a pass under yellow flags:

Check out from around 10:05 and then especially around 11:50 to 11:58

At 11:50 you can clearly see the flashing yellow light on the right hand sideAt 11:53 Vettel pulls over to the left and the yellow light is still lit on his dashboardAt 11:54 Vettel has passed Vergne, still yellow light on the dashboard and no green flags being waved anywhereAt 11:55 Vettel drives past what looks like the marshalls stand on the right hand side but still with the yellow light on at his dashboard

So unless there is a marshall stand that isn't visible in this video, Vette passed under a yellow and NO DOUBT had a yellow light indication on his dashboard.

Yes the unfortunate thing there is that it looks like Vergne lifted off to let Vettel pass

Reading some more posts i guess Vergne saw the marshall waving the green flag and thats why he let Vettel pass

So I actually downloaded the race to the live timing app because some guys just can't shut up about Vergne dropping at the end...

When the SC is deployed Vettel is deep into S2, while Vergne is out of T3 and still in S1 therefore:

Here are the times by sector:

Lap 70:
VET - 22.7 | 50.4 | 25.7
VER - 23.8 | 58.9 | 25.2

Lap 71:
VET - 26.5 | 55.1 | 38.7
VER - 28.0 | 55.0 | 25.7

Vettel caught the pack in S3 and surprise surprise does a time much slower and Vergne reduces the gap to 19s by doing a normal sector under SC without a pack in front. So... another bullshit story. He was never close to Vettel, his time are perfectly within normal SC times and that's it...

If you haven't seen this 12 minute video clarifying 3 Vettel passes at Brazil, you owe it to yourself to watch it. The argument is very well presented that the first two were not under yellow and were perfectly legal.

The third pass, however, is clearly shown, including clear view of dash lights and passing the green flashing light AFTER the pass. It is the only version of the video I've seen that is pretty convincing that Vettel passed under yellow.

You cannot see the marshall or the green flag a marshall purportedly waved well before the green flashing light. Maybe there was a marshall, maybe not. You make the call.

If you haven't seen this 12 minute video clarifying 3 Vettel passes at Brazil, you owe it to yourself to watch it. The argument is very well presented that the first two were not under yellow and were perfectly legal.

The third pass, however, is clearly shown, including clear view of dash lights and passing the green flashing light AFTER the pass. It is the only version of the video I've seen that is pretty convincing that Vettel passed under yellow.

You cannot see the marshall or the green flag a marshall purportedly waved well before the green flashing light. Maybe there was a marshall, maybe not. You make the call.

The third pass is the Vergne pass, which has been discussed a bit in here. There was a marshall waving a green flag (see previous pages), that's why it's legal.

This thread is the funniest thing I have seen in a very long time.

Re-posting on a a place like reddit is one thing...or even in a forum like this if you are search inept...

..but "discovering" and re-posting...the same video...every other page in the SAME thread...

So, we have one more. Shall we take bets in how many posts the next person will discover that pass?

You cannot see the marshall or the green flag a marshall purportedly waved well before the green flashing light. Maybe there was a marshall, maybe not. You make the call.

Please see the images below captured around the 10.30s mark from this video. The marshal post, and the flag is visible. If the video is direct from the SKY feed as it says, then this is not a doctored video.https://www.youtube....tailpage#t=632s

Hope that makes it at least clear that there was some flag waved. No way to say whether it was green or yellow, or something else.

Please see the images below captured around the 10.30s mark from this video. The marshal post, and the flag is visible. If the video is direct from the SKY feed as it says, then this is not a doctored video.https://www.youtube....tailpage#t=632s

Hope that makes it at least clear that there was some flag waved. No way to say whether it was green or yellow, or something else.

I would be willing to say that the flag most definitely was NOT YELLOW - whether it was green or turquoise or lavender is a bit harder to tell.

I would be willing to say that the flag most definitely was NOT YELLOW - whether it was green or turquoise or lavender is a bit harder to tell.

Indeed. Someone in this thread posted a screenshot from Vettel's car from 2 laps before when it was indeed a yellow flag in that marshal post. It was very clear that it was a yellow flag and when you compare it is obvious that on lap 4 it isn't yellow.

Oh c´mon, it´s not that hard. There´s no difference between flags and LED screens all around the circuit. It´s just that there are traditional flag posts without a LED screen.

LEDs on driver´s steering wheel are updated as you go throught LED screens, so they have no value, as you can be shown these yellow lights in the wheel despite have passed a marshall post without a LED to update them giving you a different indication.

LED Screens = flags.

LED steering wheel lights: just an aid for the driver, no value.

In addition to what Skinny said, In interlagos, right after turn 3 there is a marshall post with physical flags and electronic flags (whatever they are called in English, the one you see flasing yellow in the videos) then, further into the straight, there is another marshall post with just physical flags and no electronic flags (the famous one with the marshall waiving the green flag) and another one right before turn 4 with electronic and cloth flags (the one you see flashing in green). Here you have a map with the position of the marshallshttp://184.106.145.7...012-circuit.jpg

Yellow dot is a electronic flag, and green dot a marshal with his traditional cloth flags. Do you see the one on the left into the straight without yellow dot? There it is. It is not that the marshall waiving the flag gets priority over the electronic one, it's simply that there is no electronic flag

Yes, I know all that. But I don't know what does it have to do with what I'm saying.

The onus is on FIA to get the lights and flags to synch. Even when it is yellow, the drivers don't normally cut down their speed that much that make them a hazard on the track. Collisions and interference with backmarkers are more likely to occur than a horrible crash under yellow due to conflicting flags and lights displayed on the race course.

Drivers don't back off under yellows when they can see where the accident is, but the point is, those cases are exactly when the lights are not needed.Imagine for example conditions like Fuji 2007. In the main straight there is zero visibility because of the spray, and a car crashes. The race director sees the car in the TV signal, and yellows the sector immediately, but a marshall by error or because he didn't see the accident because of the spray, is still waving a green flag. A driver, even though his display is yellow, manages to see the green flag, while others don't, and thinks there's no danger ahead. Don't need to explain the consequences.

Is this really still going??? Look on the BBC I player, about 1 hour 5 mins into the BBC coverage (If you can). On that lap there is a straight ahead shot and initially as the leaders come through the marshall has a yellow flag. Then about 7 or 8 seconds before Vettel comes through he brings in the yellow and holds out a green. Case dismissed, Happy Christmas

"The request for a clarification from the FIA, regarding Vettel's passing move on Vergne, came about through the need to shed light on the circumstances of the move, which came out on the Internet only a few days after the race,"

"The letter to the FIA was in no way intended to undermine the legality of the race result.

"We received tens of thousands of queries relating to this matter from all over the world and it was incumbent on us to take the matter further, asking the Federation to look into an incident that could have cast a shadow over the championship in the eyes of all Formula 1 enthusiasts, not just Ferrari fans."

"Ferrari duly takes note of the reply sent by the FIA this morning and therefore considers the matter now closed."

Drivers don't back off under yellows when they can see where the accident is, but the point is, those cases are exactly when the lights are not needed.Imagine for example conditions like Fuji 2007. In the main straight there is zero visibility because of the spray, and a car crashes. The race director sees the car in the TV signal, and yellows the sector immediately, but a marshall by error or because he didn't see the accident because of the spray, is still waving a green flag. A driver, even though his display is yellow, manages to see the green flag, while others don't, and thinks there's no danger ahead. Don't need to explain the consequences.

The flag marshal will not be waving green flag in this instance unless he is specifically instructed by the clerk of the course to wave the said flag. He does not see the accident/incident and he is not under any instruction from his immediate superior to wave any flag, then his duty is to stay put and do nothing and just man his station.

The duty of the flag marshall is to notify/report as soon as possible by any means at his disposal (telephone, signals, courier etc.) all incidents or accidents which might occur along the section for which they are responsible.

Time to close again this thread.
Too many trolls navigate these days in internet forums.
But it would be cool to open a new one discussing flags and lights - or not, this place is a kindergarten for many.