MelGoesOnTour:For what it's worth, if Martin was such an innocent angel you'd think he'd have said to Zimmerman something along the lines of "Hey, bro', it's all good and I'm just walking home so be cool" rather than decide to attack him outright. Zimmerman may have been guilty of being too suspicious but Martin pulled the first punch.

He didn't attack him outright. He confronted Zimmerman in his car and Zimmerman wouldn't identify himself. Trayvon then ran away and waited for Zimmerman to follow him, which he did.

Wretched:odinsposse: So I love pancakes. From my mom's side I was passed down recipes for Swedish pancakes and lefse. My dad is an expert at traditional pancakes and has done some good crepes as well. I haven't done any of it. However I've been thinking of investing in pancake griddle like this one and really getting into it. Anyone use one like it? Don't tell me about cast iron. I've bought and thrown out two cast iron skillets because I can never get them seasoned right and they rust like crazy.

Two words for you: Le Creuset

we have a Le Creuset crockpot and while they are mad expensive, the thing really is pretty awesome and worth the price considering you'll have it forever

EvilRacistNaziFascist:As a self-hating white person with a pigeon chest and kazoo voice, I was hoping that George Zimmerman would be found guilty of murder for daring to resist a black man who was doing nothing wrong except for pounding Zimmerman's head against a concrete sidewalk and bloodying his nose in an attempt to exact some measure of racial justice. I am outraged that it is now considered acceptable for lighter-skinned people to act in self-defence against darker-skinned people who are trying to kill them, and I am more outraged still that Zimmerman has been spared prison and the prolonged sexual torture and eventual murder that the verdict would have entailed. Obviously what has happened here proves that the USA is still a dystopian racist theocracy, and by way of protest I am going to obstinately remain in the basement of my house in my predominantly-white, safe, suburban neighbourhood until justice is done, while furiously hammering away at the keyboard.

IlGreven:Millennium: IlGreven: So, this was a victory over "emotional pleading"...

If this were true, how come these tweets exist?

What are they pleading for? Besides, those tweets were made after the verdict, and if the jurors can see into the future of Twitter -which they'd have to in order for these tweets to be part of the pleading- then they should be brought up on criminal charges for failing to warn the authorities before this incident even occurred. Though it could be argued that seeing into the future of Twitter is punishment enough.

No, the emotional pleading came from the prosecution's "please send a man you don't know to be guilty to prison, because a CHILD was KILLED with a GUN!" act.

You're misinterpreting me. The pro-Zimmerman supporters are saying this is a victory for the rule of law over emotional pleading...then they turn around and start race-baiting and taunting the other side. That's not part of any rule of law I know.

What they're doing is in incredibly poor taste; I'll agree with you on that score. But I don't see the contradiction.

IAmTheTagTeamChampions:TheManofPA: my lip balm addiction: TheManofPA: Dang, choked in the other thread and I have to wait 700 more posts for the famous Sharknado-Zimmerman thread double

Saw that - you were a few seconds off and came in at 1006. I'll be watching this thread. ;) The #nPo is rolling into MitB with 2 belts y'all and the Rainbow Hardcore that Supercampion is holding is one of 'em.

Nope, I hold the hardcore one now. I took with an epic Sharknado post. It's going to be up for grabs soon, so get to your posts. I've got to write up the MITB guessing game tonight anyhow.

What's the rule in a thread like this where posts might get nuked? Is screencap proof enough, or do you have to be at 1,004 when the dust settles?

I believe it's first to hit 1004 the moment the fact happens. Deleted posts after the fact do not count.

rattchett:FlyingJ: photo of Trayvon's Corpse-par for the course, anybody think that Gawker Adam Weinstein's writing seems kind've odd in a fetishy way?-it's like the media wanted their own verdict, damn the jury, & now the media wants a riot

I cooked a big wok of stir fry. Said stir fry (and rum) convinced me and the wife to take a nap.

When I woke up, I had a mouth full of soy and ass, Zimmerman was judged not guilty, and some utter bastard had gifted with the black hole that was TF.

/thanks, Mr

F--k it, let's talk about stir fry. Recipe with cooking technique, please, if you'd be so kind. I used to be pretty damn good at doing stir fries well, and I don't know if it's because my new location has a less kickass stove (when I started *really* learning how to cook well and improvise, I was living in a co-op with a huge industrial gas stove), or cookware (I used to use cast iron, and I still am, but my current cookware has less of a surface area to work with) or *something*, but mine have been lackluster as of late. And I have all these fresh snap peas and chives/onion/garlic (and soonish, peppers) that are dying to be part of a so awesome you take a nap afterward stir fry.

odinsposse:Tom_Slick: odinsposse: So I love pancakes. From my mom's side I was passed down recipes for Swedish pancakes and lefse. My dad is an expert at traditional pancakes and has done some good crepes as well. I haven't done any of it. However I've been thinking of investing in pancake griddle like this one and really getting into it. Anyone use one like it? Don't tell me about cast iron. I've bought and thrown out two cast iron skillets because I can never get them seasoned right and they rust like crazy.

Go for an electric griddle if you don't want to mess with cast iron, I have one of these. It provides very controllable even heat to make your pancakes turn out perfectly. The secret to a cooking a good pancake is and even heat source, generally non cast iron pans will have hot and cold spots.

That's actually a good idea. That one is probably too big for me but I'm sure I can find one smaller.

Yes that is one huge griddle, I'm sure there are some small ones that work just as well. I bought it to cook breakfast for a crowd. I made the mistake of buying a house with dock access, I get a crowd most weekends all summer. The good news is, I get all the benefits of boat ownership (boating, tubing, women in bikinis) without actually owning a boat. I

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TsukasaK:purple kool-aid and a jigger of formaldehyde: That's why the state lost, because they couldn't prove who started the fight.

No. At the risk of repeating myself, that is not what the state had to prove.

STOP IT.

It does not matter who started the fight. It matters if the guy who pulled the trigger was reasonably in fear of his life. Fights can go either way.

He might have put his hands on the kid first, the kid defends himself and starts kicking his ass, but it's not his fault the kid is dead now even though if he hadn't started it the kid would be alive because he now feels his life's in danger.Great that's cool you don't have to take any responsibility for killing someone when it was your fault to begin with.

TsukasaK:bigsteve3OOO: If you feel safe enough to shoot a warning shot.....you do not feel in danger enough to use a deadly weapon.

Problem is that it creates a perverse incentive to kill someone over possibly scaring them off. If I fire off to the side of someone purposely, I've only "endangered" whatever that gun was pointing at.

Put another way, if I point a gun to my left in such a way that you are not in front of it, you are not in danger, law be damned. Bullets do not work that way.

I kind of wonder how much of a thing it is to have someone with a gun be approached threateningly by someone who doesn't think they'll shoot. Pretty stupid thing to do, but we're talking about both criminals, and Florida.

The point being, if you fire a warning shot, you really have no idea WHAT the gun is pointing at. How is that not reckless? In the open, it could hit ANYTHING. In a house, it could deflect off metal in the walls and hit ANYTHING, or overpenetrate the sheetrock and hit ANYTHING.

And, firing a warning shot means you weren't in enough danger to use deadly force, after all.

Can you imagine how many idiots would be recklessly shooting "warning shots" at people when they got in arguments, if they were allowed or required under law?

TsukasaK:bigsteve3OOO: If you use a gunshot to scare someone off you are acting reckless.

Again, perverse incentive. I'm not saying she isn't guilty (she is), I'm saying the law is both badly written and carries excessive punishment in Florida.

I am not talking about law at all. I am talking about sensible gun use. If one wishes to use a gun there are 2 and only 2 legitimate uses. 1 shooting at inanimate objects used for practice in a extremely controlled way that no living creature can possibly be hurt or killed. 2. The express purpose of taking a living beings life. If you use a gun as a noise maker you are reckless.

For once and for all, ENOUGH with all this pancake talk. it's irrelevant and completely stupid, considering there are much more important matters at hand. Serious matters with equally serious consequences for each and every one of us. I am of course talking about FRENCH TOAST! (i make mine with eggnog!)

IAmTheTagTeamChampions:TheManofPA: my lip balm addiction: TheManofPA: Dang, choked in the other thread and I have to wait 700 more posts for the famous Sharknado-Zimmerman thread double

Saw that - you were a few seconds off and came in at 1006. I'll be watching this thread. ;) The #nPo is rolling into MitB with 2 belts y'all and the Rainbow Hardcore that Supercampion is holding is one of 'em.

Nope, I hold the hardcore one now. I took with an epic Sharknado post. It's going to be up for grabs soon, so get to your posts. I've got to write up the MITB guessing game tonight anyhow.

What's the rule in a thread like this where posts might get nuked? Is screencap proof enough, or do you have to be at 1,004 when the dust settles?

Like choosing waffles over pancakes, it's all about honor. You just need to be 1004 when it happens and then celebrate. Usually someone else notices. If things get nuked, oh well.

/also waffles with sausage gravy are great//and those chicken and waffles chips were good

And Casey Anthony. I knew as soon as the incompetent prosecutor allowed the jury to be made up of 6 white women that this wannabe cop asshat would get off. I hope the blacks burn Florida to the ground.

/riot

Cause all the innocent folk deserve to have their lives ruined.

/know you're not serious//hopes you're not serious?

not guilty =/= innocent

Not referring to Zimmerman. I was talking about the other millions who have nothing to do with this.

iq_in_binary:In short, I am (or was, now that I'm not on the job anymore and relocated to a city where I didn't have a bunch of people rather pissed at me) the epitome of the reason to be paranoid and walk around armed, and even I find some very big and glaring issues with this ruling. Whether or not you chose to address them is up to you. But as someone who had big reason to be concerned over this who is quite invested in legal self defense, quit it with your pretentious shiat.

Thank you for this.

I don't know if it's because I'm female, or maybe race does have something to do with it (I'm white), but I am super paranoid anytime someone makes more than three turns in a row behind me. Yes, I have been followed. No, it was not by cops. Yes, they were going to kill me. My response each time was to drive to the nearest police station. Boy they stop being interested at that point. Zimmerman had the responsibility as the adult, the knowledge as someone semi-trained in this sort of thing, and the advice of those in positions of authority to NOT make the decision he did to get out of the car, which thereby started the entire sequence of events leading to Martin's death.