Sorry. The MMA fighter vs boxer argument doesn't apply. Strength differences between male and female athletes are massive. There's a reason there aren't any women in the major sports leagues and its not simple misogyny. She'd never ever be able to overcome the strength difference between them. If Mayweather gets in one combo of punches to the face she's not recovering.

And no way the fight ever happens. Its no win for Mayweather. If he wins, he was beating up on a girl and looks like a monster. If he loses, he's a laughingstock and loses all respect.

muwaryer:Honest question about MMA rules. On the radio this morning, they said that as long as she had a knee down, he couldn't punch her. But I think I've seen MMA fighters punching each other on the mat all the time. If she got down on a knee and came after him, could he get down on his knees and punch?

In boxing you can't punch a downed opponent.. (this is rare because generally a ref jumps in.. but it has happened before and the fighter was dq'ed) In mma you can not knee or kick an opponent in the head if they have at least a hand down on the mat.. If they are down or in the action of getting up.. sometimes in exchanges against the cage a fighter that is in a clinch or working for a take down will place his hand on the mat to avoid getting kneed in the face,, (In some other countries you can knee a downed opponent in the head)

mediablitz:keypusher: This. He's a man. She's a woman. He'd beat the crap out of her, MMA, boxing, free-for-all, or thumb wrestling. OK, maybe not the last one.

So when Rousey was competing in Judo and beating men her size, it wasn't really happening.

Misogyny and ignorance on Fark? What a shock!

Was she beating men who were at the same level as her? I've taken martial arts in the past, am fairly athletic, and am a man. She would be my ass. Maybe I'm giving keypusher too much credit but I took his statement differently. When you have one of the best men vs the best woman at pretty much every sport I can think of, the man wins. Note he didn't mention Judo. But I'd be hard-pressed to believe she'd beat him at any kind of fighting aside from that and ju jitsu.

You think she's going to out-cardio him army crawling around the ring? Even standing and moving to her best advantage she probably couldn't do that. He probably does 3+ hours of intense calisthenics a day during a training camp.

If the fight goes to the ground Mayweather will get out worked. Running away for a round (or 12) is nowhere near the workout that ground fighting puts on you. It's the difference between running a marathon and running a marathon while carrying your opponent.

Right, upper body strength would stop him from getting hip-tossed.He'd have a puncher's chance.

Basically, Rousey nailed it, even with her tongue-in-cheek response. She'd have to monkey crawl up to him, pretty much what Couture did to James Toney.

If Floyd catches her on the way in, he wins. If not, he loses. And he'd pretty much have just the one chance. If they get tied up, the ref's not going to step in and separate them, he's going for a ride, then his arm is bending the wrong way.He'd have a strength advantage but wouldn't have that much of a size/mass advantage, he weighed in for the Guerrero fight at 146 without really doing a cut at all. Rousey used to fight at 145 and it's a safe assumption she's doing a pretty big cut down to 135.

And no, of course it'll never happen, it was a silly question posed by a reporter.But not, as has been noted, because Floyd has some moral opposition to beating up on women.He has done that, to a woman not trained in martial arts, on his own time, for free.

//whoever said she'd out-cardio him in this thread is just insane, though

youngandstupid:mediablitz: keypusher: This. He's a man. She's a woman. He'd beat the crap out of her, MMA, boxing, free-for-all, or thumb wrestling. OK, maybe not the last one.

So when Rousey was competing in Judo and beating men her size, it wasn't really happening.

Misogyny and ignorance on Fark? What a shock!

Was she beating men who were at the same level as her? I've taken martial arts in the past, am fairly athletic, and am a man. She would be my ass. Maybe I'm giving keypusher too much credit but I took his statement differently. When you have one of the best men vs the best woman at pretty much every sport I can think of, the man wins. Note he didn't mention Judo. But I'd be hard-pressed to believe she'd beat him at any kind of fighting aside from that and ju jitsu.

Well, see, I didn't know about the judo. So I will have to cop to ignorance at least. But with your amendment, yes, I still think he'd beat the crap out of her.

tallguywithglasseson:She'd have to monkey crawl up to him, pretty much what Couture did to James Toney

Oh sure, I'm fairly certain she'd win with current rules. I just think they're dumb. The only reason that works though is because the totally obvious counter-attacks are against the rules. Punches to the back of the head/neck for obvious reasons, knees to the face for less obvious ones. Coming in like that for a takedown only really work when you're in a mechanically advantageous situation for resisting strikes from the hands, and knees to the face are outlawed.

Personally I think that rule more than anything is what makes grappling so powerful in MMA. You're basically guaranteed an approach, and someone who's more strike oriented is guaranteed to be unable to fend you off. Not because your grappling is so awesome, but because you're relying on the rules to protect you while you do something retarded.

"I had my hand down so I don't REALLY have to defend myself as I overextend myself in an aggressive rush forward" lol alright.

Mayweather also fights at up to 155. His 20 pound weight advantage will count for more but not on the ground. Remember what Royce Gracie was able to do to guys twice his weight because they didn't know f*ck all about fighting on the ground.

Even at the same weight he still has a natural advantage in upper body strength but I'd still put my money on a decision win for Ronda. Mayweather's best chance is to lay and pray. In a fight with no rounds she'll out cardio him then eventually get position and collect another arm for the armwoire.

You think she's going to out-cardio him army crawling around the ring?

You keep saying this. I've been watching MMA for a decade and have only seen something even in the ballpark of that happen once. One fighter wanted it on the ground and essentially butt-scooted his way around the ring trying to get his opponent to jump into his guard(names escape me at the moment). Now do you have any actual examples of this happening or are you just going to parrot lame MMA jokes from ten years ago?

doubled99:Mayweather also fights at up to 155. His 20 pound weight advantage will count for more but not on the ground. Remember what Royce Gracie was able to do to guys twice his weight because they didn't know f*ck all about fighting on the ground.

Even at the same weight he still has a natural advantage in upper body strength but I'd still put my money on a decision win for Ronda. Mayweather's best chance is to lay and pray. In a fight with no rounds she'll out cardio him then eventually get position and collect another arm for the armwoire.

LOL

I laughed at this too. Only one of her fights has gone past the first round so we have no idea of her cardio stamina. Meanwhile Mayweather trains to fight 12 round boxing matches and if you think that is just some running on a treadmill you don't know boxing.

For an actual fight, I would put the odds at 75/25 Mayweather, but it depends on the type of fight. If she was allowed to and was able to get him on the ground, his advantage would be nullified, especially if she was able to hook the arm bar in. If he was able to stay upright and keep her at arms length he would have a huge advantage.

As far as the Chyna-Buttofuaco match, really? Really?

falcon176:Floyd Mayweahter beat the Big Show in a professional wrestling match, which is less scripted, has more contact, and the fights go longer than in the UFC so I think he'd have no problem here.

My favorite comment on Fark in a long time. Not even sure where to start with this. Less scripted than what? Prime time tv? That 'match' was scripted from the day Mayweather showed up. If you don't think so, go ask Pete Rose. He told an interviewer once he practiced with Kane for 2 hours before a WM appearance on how to take a tombstone. One move and he practiced that long so he didn't get hurt. If you think that Mayweather-Big Show 'match' wasn't scripted down to the last second...well, I can't help you.

Flappyhead:). Now do you have any actual examples of this happening or are you just going to parrot lame MMA jokes from ten years ago?

Uh... its actually a direct quotation from her about this theoretical fight?

"I wouldn't even stand up, I wouldn't even be anywhere near him. I would just do like a little army crawl over there, and he would have to run away. I would just be skittering after him like the one dude inBloodsport that was doing the whole monkey crawl fight system. "

I used all the modifiers so it would be even more obvious to the untrained eye

Super_pope:Flappyhead: ). Now do you have any actual examples of this happening or are you just going to parrot lame MMA jokes from ten years ago?

Uh... its actually a direct quotation from her about this theoretical fight?

"I wouldn't even stand up, I wouldn't even be anywhere near him. I would just do like a little army crawl over there, and he would have to run away. I would just be skittering after him like the one dude inBloodsport that was doing the whole monkey crawl fight system. "

I used all the modifiers so it would be even more obvious to the untrained eye

There is absolutely no way she is serious when saying that. Also I don't click BR links.

You think she's going to out-cardio him army crawling around the ring?

You keep saying this. I've been watching MMA for a decade and have only seen something even in the ballpark of that happen once. One fighter wanted it on the ground and essentially butt-scooted his way around the ring trying to get his opponent to jump into his guard(names escape me at the moment).

That wasn't a match, it was a farce. The whole worked match/shoot angle is still debated.

GavinTheAlmighty:Flappyhead: One fighter wanted it on the ground and essentially butt-scooted his way around the ring trying to get his opponent to jump into his guard(names escape me at the moment)

Nick Serra. If I recall correctly, he was disqualified for it.

No it was another one(although that one was hilarious). I think the buttscooter was a Korean and he kept pushing himself around the cage with his hands while his opponent just walked around looking ashamed to be part of it.

"Walked right up to him"... I guess if you mean very carefully approached within 5-6 feet of him.Couture never entered boxing range while standing, but with his head at about knee level, already into his takedown.Started his single from maybe 5 feet away, grabbed an ankle and Toney fell backward. It wasn't pretty, but it didn't have to be.Which is the point. Boxer doesn't get the KO on the way in, it's over.

Flappyhead:No it was another one(although that one was hilarious). I think the buttscooter was a Korean and he kept pushing himself around the cage with his hands while his opponent just walked around looking ashamed to be part of it.

You do know there is a HUGE difference in strength between a top tier professional men's boxer and even a top-tier woman's professional MMA fighter, right? Men are way, way, way stronger. Mayweather walks around at around 170 lb, Rousey walks around at 150 lb. The 20 lb weight advantage plus the fact he is a man and thus has about 20 times the testosterone level? Mayweather is way stronger

mediablitz:keypusher: This. He's a man. She's a woman. He'd beat the crap out of her, MMA, boxing, free-for-all, or thumb wrestling. OK, maybe not the last one.

So when Rousey was competing in Judo and beating men her size, it wasn't really happening.

Misogyny and ignorance on Fark? What a shock!

Lol at thinking she could beat a man at her skill level. There is a reason no woman has ever made one of the big four professional sports -- she would get massacred. Hell, anyone on the UFC roster, including the lowest level Flyweight, would beat the holy hell out of her in a MMA fight. Yes, she could easily submit me. However, I have less grappling skills than James Toney. But all it will take is a few shots from Mayweather, who hits a farkload harder than any woman Rousey has been up against, and she is in deep shiat. Even if she blocks them, she will feel it hard.

You do know there is a HUGE difference in strength between a top tier professional men's boxer and even a top-tier woman's professional MMA fighter, right? Men are way, way, way stronger. Mayweather walks around at around 170 lb, Rousey walks around at 150 lb. The 20 lb weight advantage plus the fact he is a man and thus has about 20 times the testosterone level? Mayweather is way stronger

I love when people break out the "weight advantage" argument; as if there's no evidence whatsoever that weight doesn't mean shiat if it's not applied in the proper fashion to make it an advantage.

You do know there is a HUGE difference in strength between a top tier professional men's boxer and even a top-tier woman's professional MMA fighter, right? Men are way, way, way stronger. Mayweather walks around at around 170 lb, Rousey walks around at 150 lb. The 20 lb weight advantage plus the fact he is a man and thus has about 20 times the testosterone level? Mayweather is way stronger

I love when people break out the "weight advantage" argument; as if there's no evidence whatsoever that weight doesn't mean shiat if it's not applied in the proper fashion to make it an advantage.

I agree, but I was commenting about his saying Ronda was stronger than Mayweather. There is no chance in hell that Ronda is stronger than Mayweather. Don't believe the UFC's bullshiat (i.e. their claim that Ronda Rousey's mom beat up a 250 year old man or that Ronda beat up 5 guys at once at a movie theatre once)

Rwa2play:I love when people break out the "weight advantage" argument; as if there's no evidence whatsoever that weight doesn't mean shiat if it's not applied in the proper fashion to make it an advantage.

My first thought was Bustamante vs Ericson from a defunct UFC competitor. Ended in a draw. Butt scooting starts at about 20 minutes in. Historically significant because up until then Brazilian jujitsu was considered unassailable.

doubled99:Do people still watch MMA? Just a bunch of tattooed white trash who didn't have the skill to box so they wrestle and brawl instead. This fad will end in a year or two.

You do know there is a HUGE difference in strength between a top tier professional men's boxer and even a top-tier woman's professional MMA fighter, right? Men are way, way, way stronger. Mayweather walks around at around 170 lb, Rousey walks around at 150 lb. The 20 lb weight advantage plus the fact he is a man and thus has about 20 times the testosterone level? Mayweather is way stronger

I love when people break out the "weight advantage" argument; as if there's no evidence whatsoever that weight doesn't mean shiat if it's not applied in the proper fashion to make it an advantage.

I agree, but I was commenting about his saying Ronda was stronger than Mayweather. There is no chance in hell that Ronda is stronger than Mayweather. Don't believe the UFC's bullshiat (i.e. their claim that Ronda Rousey's mom beat up a 250 year old man or that Ronda beat up 5 guys at once at a movie theatre once)

I'm not arguing Ronda is stronger than Mayweather, just arguing against the claim the boxers having superior strength in general.

bluenote13:doubled99: Mayweather also fights at up to 155. His 20 pound weight advantage will count for more but not on the ground. Remember what Royce Gracie was able to do to guys twice his weight because they didn't know f*ck all about fighting on the ground.

Even at the same weight he still has a natural advantage in upper body strength but I'd still put my money on a decision win for Ronda. Mayweather's best chance is to lay and pray. In a fight with no rounds she'll out cardio him then eventually get position and collect another arm for the armwoire.

LOL

I laughed at this too. Only one of her fights has gone past the first round so we have no idea of her cardio stamina. Meanwhile Mayweather trains to fight 12 round boxing matches and if you think that is just some running on a treadmill you don't know boxing.

For an actual fight, I would put the odds at 75/25 Mayweather, but it depends on the type of fight. If she was allowed to and was able to get him on the ground, his advantage would be nullified, especially if she was able to hook the arm bar in. If he was able to stay upright and keep her at arms length he would have a huge advantage.

As far as the Chyna-Buttofuaco match, really? Really?

falcon176: Floyd Mayweahter beat the Big Show in a professional wrestling match, which is less scripted, has more contact, and the fights go longer than in the UFC so I think he'd have no problem here.

My favorite comment on Fark in a long time. Not even sure where to start with this. Less scripted than what? Prime time tv? That 'match' was scripted from the day Mayweather showed up. If you don't think so, go ask Pete Rose. He told an interviewer once he practiced with Kane for 2 hours before a WM appearance on how to take a tombstone. One move and he practiced that long so he didn't get hurt. If you think that Mayweather-Big Show 'match' wasn't scripted down to the last second...well, I can't help you.

Unless that was a joke then...funny.

Chyna/Buttafucco because its relevant with how fat/old he was and how she was actually in shape at the time but in skill set they were pretty equal.

Just like rousey and mayweather about equal skill sets but I have no doubt she would not stand a chance. The second she rushes in he would hit her harder than she's ever been hit before and drop her like a sack of potatoes.

GavinTheAlmighty:Flappyhead: No it was another one(although that one was hilarious). I think the buttscooter was a Korean and he kept pushing himself around the cage with his hands while his opponent just walked around looking ashamed to be part of it.

Aoki chasing Alvarez?

That's the one. IIRC Werdum essentially just flopped and turned himself to keep his legs facing Overeem, Aoki literally chased Alvarez around the ring on his ass.

bluenote13:One Bad Apple: steamingpile: The second she rushes in he would hit her harder than she's ever been hit before and drop her like a sack of potatoes.

When has Mayweather ever knocked ANYONE all the way out with that one punch ?

Never.

Yeah and if she were to dare get in she would be lucky to stay alive after the first punch.

I love how people just ignore the physical differences between males and females, mentally there are fewer differences but women aren't even close physically and won't be without massive testosterone usage.

steamingpile:bluenote13: One Bad Apple: steamingpile: The second she rushes in he would hit her harder than she's ever been hit before and drop her like a sack of potatoes.

When has Mayweather ever knocked ANYONE all the way out with that one punch ?

Never.

Yeah and if she were to dare get in she would be lucky to stay alive after the first punch.

I love how people just ignore the physical differences between males and females, mentally there are fewer differences but women aren't even close physically and won't be without massive testosterone usage.

There are massive physical differences between the average male and the average female. When you get down to specific males and females, the differences get substantially murkier. There is no anatomical reason why a man and a woman of similar weight and training can't throw down.