Yet while some say the Tea Party stands for "Taxed Enough Already," most Tea Party supporters - 52 percent - say their taxes are fair, the poll shows. Just under one in five Americans say they support the Tea Party movement.

Majorities across all income levels say their income taxes are fair, as do most Republicans and Democrats.

_________________i'll never be a bowie, i'll never be an eno. i'll only ever be a gary numan.

When it comes to taxes, the Obama administration has actually cut taxes for 95 percent of Americans through a federal income tax credit.

But Varley says she doesn't believe that — no matter what the government says.

_________________"The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other... involves orcs." - Kung Fu Monkey

Tea-tards and Teahadists? Nice example of changing the tone. I figured you might be more supportive of a bipartisan group.

While some might think their taxes are currently fair, they probably won't think the taxes are fair that will have to be charged to get us out of the massive hole Obama is spending us into.

It might be truthful that Obama cut income taxes (slightly) on 95% via an income tax credit, but when the Bush tax cuts are allowed to expire, the health care taxes kick in, increased tobacco taxes, the cap and tax carbon tax, increased gas taxes, and any other taxes they can get passed go into effect, the "no new taxes on the midde class" pledge will be another of the many broken promises.

Democratic Congressional leaders aren't planning on passing a budget this year so their members won't have to go on the record voting to repeal Bush tax cuts before an election.

White House advisor Paul Volcker released the trial balloon last week of passing a VAT tax, the Democrat dream, which will be a massive tax increase on everyone. Obama will try to use the "deficit reduction commission" he put in place as political cover to break his tax pledge.

Tea-tards and Teahadists? Nice example of changing the tone. I figured you might be more supportive of a bipartisan group.

"bipartisan" my ass.

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The national breakdown of the Tea Party composition is 57 percent Republican, 28 percent Independent and 13 percent Democratic, according to three national polls by the Winston Group, a Republican-leaning firm that conducted the surveys on behalf of an education advocacy group. Two-thirds of the group call themselves conservative, 26 are moderate and 8 percent say they are liberal.

First off, how many of those alleged "Independents" are only calling themselves that as they run away from (in name only) what the GOP has become, despite supporting and voting for them every year? How many of those "Democrats" are from Operation RushLimbaughHatesDemocracy when he encouraged Republicans to register as Democrats to vote in the Primaries (a tactic which apparently worked wonders)?

Fail. Then again, to someone who probably thinks FOX is the only unbiased news source, this is the paragon of bipartisanship, just like the Heritage Foundation.

I call them Teahadists because so many on the right seem anxious and excited to start a civil war, use a variety of terrorist tactics to push their agenda despite it not having democratic support of the populace, and because so many seem bent on making America into a Theocracy. They are the white, Christian version of jihadists, and many of them seem pretty damn proud of it.

If they don't like it, then they should stop acting like terrorists, frankly - and yes, I get the irony of calling them that after being called that myself for so many years despite the fact that not once did I belong to any group which threatened violence, secession, etc. Wah.

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While some might think their taxes are currently fair, they probably won't think the taxes are fair that will have to be charged to get us out of the massive hole Obama is spending us into.

Oh you're on a roll today. Do you get mad at the tow truck driver when he pulls your car out of the ditch too?

Did it ever occur to you that Bush's economic "strategery" is one of the reasons we're in this mess? Oh wait, I forgot, we can't blame Bush for his actions as that would not be responsible. lol.

bnb614 wrote:

[comedy]

I noticed your outrage about the story I posted about how 2/3 of corporations paid no taxes from '98-'05 - oh wait, you're ok with that. I forgot. Huh, I wonder why we're in such a hole, between expensive ginned up wars and this ridiculous idea that you can run a modern society on nothing.

Guess what, homeslice? Freedom isn't free

(god that felt good)

tiger yang wrote:

The cap stipulations of the stimulus are also widely misrepresented. It mentions nothing for the financial rewards and new jobs it will give for companies that boost their renewable energy, wind and solar power capabilities (these aren't just smaller companies either: take a look at GE's recent clean tech roster.), not to mention the HUGE tax credits it will give households who adopt solar and wind technologies.

God forbid we set limits on our industries’ greenhouse gas emissions and begin introducing safer, cleaner technology that has been around for 30+ years but essentially ignored because the captains of industry cry "you're hurting business" every time a regulatory measure to make the world a safer place is proposed. What's the next tactic: calling pollution a "myth" just like global warming?

Of course, all of those companies will just regulate themselves! We don't need any kind of regulations; just look at what a great job they've been doing of it so far! lol.

_________________"The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other... involves orcs." - Kung Fu Monkey

Yes, because a $1 trillion + war in Iraq under George W. Bush was a sound spending decision. Also, Bush’s addition of $345 billion to the federal budget, a record only matched when he added another $290 billion to it during his second term, was a patent example of conservative fiscal responsibility. Whatever.

Yes, because a $1 trillion + war in Iraq under George W. Bush was a sound spending decision. Also, Bush’s addition of $345 billion to the federal budget, a record only matched when he added another $290 billion to it during his second term, was a patent example of conservative fiscal responsibility. Whatever.

_________________"The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other... involves orcs." - Kung Fu Monkey

Tea-tards and Teahadists? Nice example of changing the tone. I figured you might be more supportive of a bipartisan group.

"bipartisan" my ass.

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The national breakdown of the Tea Party composition is 57 percent Republican, 28 percent Independent and 13 percent Democratic, according to three national polls by the Winston Group, a Republican-leaning firm that conducted the surveys on behalf of an education advocacy group. Two-thirds of the group call themselves conservative, 26 are moderate and 8 percent say they are liberal.

First off, how many of those alleged "Independents" are only calling themselves that as they run away from (in name only) what the GOP has become, despite supporting and voting for them every year? How many of those "Democrats" are from Operation RushLimbaughHatesDemocracy when he encouraged Republicans to register as Democrats to vote in the Primaries (a tactic which apparently worked wonders)?

Now THAT'S a slap down!Fail. Then again, to someone who probably thinks FOX is the only unbiased news source, this is the paragon of bipartisanship, just like the Heritage Foundation.

I call them Teahadists because so many on the right seem anxious and excited to start a civil war, use a variety of terrorist tactics to push their agenda despite it not having democratic support of the populace, and because so many seem bent on making America into a Theocracy. They are the white, Christian version of jihadists, and many of them seem pretty damn proud of it.

If they don't like it, then they should stop acting like terrorists, frankly - and yes, I get the irony of calling them that after being called that myself for so many years despite the fact that not once did I belong to any group which threatened violence, secession, etc. Wah.

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While some might think their taxes are currently fair, they probably won't think the taxes are fair that will have to be charged to get us out of the massive hole Obama is spending us into.

Oh you're on a roll today. Do you get mad at the tow truck driver when he pulls your car out of the ditch too?

Did it ever occur to you that Bush's economic "strategery" is one of the reasons we're in this mess? Oh wait, I forgot, we can't blame Bush for his actions as that would not be responsible. lol.

bnb614 wrote:

[comedy]

I noticed your outrage about the story I posted about how 2/3 of corporations paid no taxes from '98-'05 - oh wait, you're ok with that. I forgot. Huh, I wonder why we're in such a hole, between expensive ginned up wars and this ridiculous idea that you can run a modern society on nothing.

Guess what, homeslice? Freedom isn't free

(god that felt good)

tiger yang wrote:

The cap stipulations of the stimulus are also widely misrepresented. It mentions nothing for the financial rewards and new jobs it will give for companies that boost their renewable energy, wind and solar power capabilities (these aren't just smaller companies either: take a look at GE's recent clean tech roster.), not to mention the HUGE tax credits it will give households who adopt solar and wind technologies.

God forbid we set limits on our industries’ greenhouse gas emissions and begin introducing safer, cleaner technology that has been around for 30+ years but essentially ignored because the captains of industry cry "you're hurting business" every time a regulatory measure to make the world a safer place is proposed. What's the next tactic: calling pollution a "myth" just like global warming?

Of course, all of those companies will just regulate themselves! We don't need any kind of regulations; just look at what a great job they've been doing of it so far! lol.

_________________"The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other... involves orcs." - Kung Fu Monkey

_________________"The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other... involves orcs." - Kung Fu Monkey

I pray to God that this revolt is one that we can handle with a ballot. Because if we can't handle [it] with a ballot, God forbid what comes next. If it isn't a ballot, at some point it will be a bullet.

Based on that map, I don't see them successfully handling their wishes "with a ballot" so... hm.

_________________"The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other... involves orcs." - Kung Fu Monkey

they probably won't think the taxes are fair that will have to be charged to get us out of the massive hole Obama is spending us into.

Yes, because a $1 trillion + war in Iraq under George W. Bush was a sound spending decision. Also, Bush’s addition of $345 billion to the federal budget, a record only matched when he added another $290 billion to it during his second term, was a patent example of conservative fiscal responsibility. Whatever.

Well then I guess we should just throw in the towel. One President spent too much money so that means every President can now spend as much money as they want.

Bush spent way too much money, and Obama makes his numbers look like responsible spending. His budgets are spending massive amounts of money we don't have. Much larger than Bush's spending.

tiger yang wrote:

bnb614 wrote:

It might be truthful that Obama cut income taxes (slightly) on 95% via an income tax credit, but when the Bush tax cuts are allowed to expire, the health care taxes kick in, increased tobacco taxes, the cap and tax carbon tax, increased gas taxes, and any other taxes they can get passed go into effect, the "no new taxes on the midde class" pledge will be another of the many broken promises.

Do people who make over $250,000 a year constitute middle class to you?

Many of the increased taxes impact the middle class, which goes against his promises. You also seem to be taking the President's word that he won't repeal ALL of the Bush tax cuts, which I guess we will have to see. However, the Administration is clearly floating a trial balloon regarding the VAT tax, and spending so much money (while shoring up none of the bankrupt entitlement programs) to make a large tax increase inevitable. The VAT tax is a regressive tax that hits lower class families the hardest. Despite their rhetoric, the Dems can't "tax the rich" and pay for their spending.

tiger yang wrote:

God forbid we set limits on our industries’ greenhouse gas emissions and begin introducing safer, cleaner technology that has been around for 30+ years but essentially ignored because the captains of industry cry "you're hurting business" every time a regulatory measure to make the world a safer place is proposed. What's the next tactic: calling pollution a "myth" just like global warming?

There is nothing wrong with setting greenhouse limits, but it doesn't have to include a massive transfer of wealth via expensive carbon permits to be run through the gov't so that they can dole out the cap money to companies they consider worthy and use favoritism to reward their districts. Plus, the inefficiency in gov't means if $1 goes in, much less than $1 will go out into the system. Why does the gov't have to come between the company having excess emissions to sell, and the company needed to purchase the right for excess emissions, other than for a nominal fee for regulators to oversee the system? There are other, more reasonable alternatives that don't have to result in massive new gov't programs that make it even more expensive for the US to compete for manufacturing jobs.

One President spent too much money so that means every President can now spend as much money as they want.

yes, that is exactly what he said </sarcasm>

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Bush spent way too much money...

OMG, color me shocked.

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...and Obama makes his numbers look like responsible spending. His budgets are spending massive amounts of money we don't have. Much larger than Bush's spending.

you don't really understand how these things work, do you? I mean, all of Obama's massive spending just came out of nowhere. The economy was golden with no problems at all until the afternoon of January 20, 2009. Or were all of the "pre-existing" economic conditions in fact Clinton's fault, or perhaps Clinton's penis' fault?

_________________"The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other... involves orcs." - Kung Fu Monkey

Or were all of the "pre-existing" economic conditions in fact Clinton's fault, or perhaps Clinton's penis' fault?

Hah. Clinton would be like the penis wielding villain in a superhero movie. He destroyed our whole country with his penis. Only harm I've ever done with my penis is make a couple girls cry, but I also made most of 'em laugh.

Many of the increased taxes impact the middle class, which goes against his promises. You also seem to be taking the President's word that he won't repeal ALL of the Bush tax cuts, which I guess we will have to see. However, the Administration is clearly floating a trial balloon regarding the VAT tax, and spending so much money (while shoring up none of the bankrupt entitlement programs) to make a large tax increase inevitable. The VAT tax is a regressive tax that hits lower class families the hardest. Despite their rhetoric, the Dems can't "tax the rich" and pay for their spending.

I don’t know why I continue to respond to these silly missives. You aren’t willing to listen, you paste any random assortment of non sequitur hypotheticals in an attempt to counter factual claims. It’s sad, yet so telling about the human condition, that though steeped in a media that offers limitless facts available at your fingertips you’ll still choose the numbers that reiterate your preconceived perceptions of the world around you.

The fact is, I KNOW THAT YOU KNOW Obama passed 25 separate tax cuts as part of the stimulus package, which you KNOW affects about 95% of the population, including $300 billion in tax cuts for the middle class, which you KNOW is one of the largest in history.

Federal taxes are now at near-historic lows. An average family of four is now paying 4.6 percent of its income in federal income taxes, which is the second lowest percentage in 50 years. There is currently no VAT, nor is there one being proposed by the Obama administration. Again, you know this.

So, it comes as somewhat of a surprise (SPOILER ALERT!) that a series of new polls shows most Americans still don’t realize they got a tax cut, and instead mistakenly believe they are being taxed more under Obama. Gee, wonder why.

Of course, when the counter-factual numbers run dry you’ll say something like “I can’t believe you’re taking his word on this” or some variation as stated above. There’s no point in aptly attempting to counter this because we’re waging hypotheticals against hypotheticals. We may as well pontificate on the finer points on who would win in battle between Gamarra and Ghidorah (hint: Ghidorah would win). You’re a victim of a poisoned logic and there’s very little I can do for you.

This manufactured rage is enough to get people out in the streets and rallying? What about the 8 years before, when Federal budget spending hit historic highs? Where was the Tea Party when our leaders were spending $1 trillion + on a war waged under false pretenses? Where were the stupid cries of ‘Socialist’ when Bush and his ex- Goldman Sachs CEO lackey Paulson bailed out the banks? Where were the pat comparisons to Adolph Hilter when Bush gave the NSA the authority to spy on Americans without a warrant? This trained, Pavlovian tic to scream “big government” or “socialism” whenever a new tax on the rich threatens your Ayn Randian nightmare of a republic is yet one indication of the obsequious proclivity to jump when the wealthy rulers of your chosen party say how high. You are being used, friend.

_________________"The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other... involves orcs." - Kung Fu Monkey

_________________"The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other... involves orcs." - Kung Fu Monkey

_________________"The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other... involves orcs." - Kung Fu Monkey

Tea Party Nation President Judson Phillips said denying the right to vote to those who do not own property "makes a lot of sense" during a weekly radio program.

"The Founding Fathers originally said, they put certain restrictions on who gets the right to vote," Phillips said. "It wasn't you were just a citizen and you got to vote."

"Some of the restrictions, you know, you obviously would not think about today," he continued. "But one of those was you had to be a property owner. And that makes a lot of sense, because if you’re a property owner you actually have a vested stake in the community."

"If you're not a property owner, you know, I'm sorry but property owners have a little bit more of a vested interest in the community than non-property owners."

Approximately 33% of Americans are renters, according to the National Multi-Housing Council.

During the same radio program, Phillips discussed with David DeGerolamo, the founder of tea party group North Carolina Freedom, the repeal of various constitutional amendments.

"Of course, when people talk, three Amendments that really are the only ones that seriously get talked about getting repealed: the 16th Amendment, for the income tax, and we can only hope that happens; the 17th Amendment for having the appointment of Senators got back to state legislatures; and the 26th Amendment, I believe it is," Phillips said. "Do you know which one that is, David?"

"No, but I know which one I want repealed," responded DeGerolamo. "I want the 14th Amendment repealed."

The first clause of the 14th Amendment grants birthright citizenship to anyone born in the US, regardless of whether their parents are citizens. The second and third clause prohibits the government from depriving persons of life, liberty, or property without due process and requires the government to provide equal protection under the law, respectively.

Ending citizenship rights granted to children of illegal immigrants born in the US will be one of the first objectives of the Republican-led House of Representatives, according to a published report.

Rep. Steve King (R-IA), who has represented Iowa's 5th congressional district since 2003, said he will push a bill to deny birthright citizenship to children of illegal immigrants.

"Because the 14th Amendment has been misconstrued, current law inappropriately gives American citizenship to the children of illegal aliens solely because their parents were able to cross our borders illegally and give birth here," King said in October.

"As a result of this perverse incentive, an entire 'anchor baby' industry has developed which exploits a legal loophole caused by a misinterpretation of the Constitution," he continued. "Many of these illegal aliens are giving birth to children in the United States so that they can have uninhibited access to taxpayer funded benefits and to citizenship for as many family members as possible."

In an open letter, DeeDee Blasé, the founder of Somos Republicans, criticized King for planning legislation "that would undermine the 14th amendment of the constitution" which he "swore an oath to uphold."

"We find both this rhetoric and this un-constitutional conduct reprehensible, insulting and a poor reflection upon Republicans because we don’t want our Party to be viewed as the Party of changing the United States Constitution," she added.

oh my god that's horrible.'freedoooom... libeeeerty.... rise uuuuup' i would say this man was hired by the devil but i know the devil has better taste in music.amazing how they worked all 4 black people in the TP into the video. very balanced cross section of america is the tp.

_________________"My brother's Municipal League baseball team is named the Stepdads. Seeing as none of the guys on the team are actual stepdads, I inquired about the name. He explained, "Cuz we beat you, and you hate us."-unknown