Our Troops DO Protect Our Freedom and We Should Thank Them for Doing So

Yes, expanding your borders was considered a good thing not that long ago, but since the end of WW2 most of the free thinking world saw what kind of
damage can be done by a large army hell bent on doing so. Point is we grew up and most people see things differently in modern times, I believe that
there are still a lot of us that could learn something from history, all empires come crashing down eventually.

Lies. I made many intelligent points and you responded by insulting my country.

Not to mention the whole "America - F#$@ YEAH" rant you went on.

Don't get all excited at me responding to you by the way, I can almost hear the fapping way over here, I am merely pointing out the falsehood of your
posts and the double-standards you display here. You have shown your blind ignorance through a spectacular display which really speaks for itself -
without the need for me to add any more to it

Well done USA , you realy do have a right to be proud of your brave Soldiers!!!

Vietnam - 3.5 million dead estimates put civilian toll at 2 million +(Thousands still suffering effects of agent orange)
Iraq - 1.2 million dead out of a population of 30 million (many still dieing from the effects of DU)
Japan - 1.5 million dead from 2 atomic bombs dropped on civilians, (750,000 killed instantly, 90% Civilians)
Afghanistan - estimates put the figure at 300,000, majority civilains
6 million People Were killed in CIA secret wars against third world countries

Originally posted by discharged77
They are doing a "job" they choose to do, just like anybody else in this world does, it does not matter if its for tuition money for college or too
support their families, I don't understand why we should have some special sympathy for them?

Perhaps because their job is a little bit different than a job in the office, or McDonalds, or whatever. They stand in front of people who are
shooting at them. On the flip side, the people who are shooting at them currently, are probably justified in doing so. No argument there, our current
wars are wrong, and our government is doing the bidding of their masters who we allow to bribe them right in front of our faces. Again, the military
is a tool, and there is bravery involved in going into battle. An army with divided loyalties, that could individually pick and choose their
missions, would be worthless. Like any tool, it needs to be ready to go. I wonder how you guys would feel about the military if it were fractured by
divided loyalties where most of them refused to fight, and we really were threatened. You'd probably be wishing they were there for you as
Chinese soldiers are raping your wives (with their little Chinese wangs)...

america is the country doing the damage. thats why people around the world hate us. we go where we don't belong, ripping and tearing, and a lot of
people suffer for it, ours and theirs.

I guess Spain is just as bad as the USA since Madrid was bombed by al Qaeda right?

I guess you guys don't even realize that there's more of a cyber war going on at this moment. Countries want to shut our communications down so that
they can invade without any problems. Talk about freedom... I guess you guys don't like the freedom of being able to surf the web freely and post
here on ATS. Thank the integrated cyber warefare troops for that!!!!

I don't blame the troops for the insanity in the middle east, I blame our government for putting them there. But if I don't support the "wars" why
in the hell would I support the troops that are fighting them? It's nothing personal against our armed forces, it's just a hypocritical statement
made by many citizens here in the old USA "I don't support the wars, but I support the troops" WHAT? It makes zero sense and its classic
doublespeak.

I'm sorry to say, or infact , not really... anyway, the army/military units and installations have many fake purposes, to drag an illusion of threat
and danger, the illusion is necessary to gain support from the millions of people living in their protective bubble of illusion and fear.
The true enemy, are infact yourself.

Although it has probably been referenced already, I will add perhaps again that the military does not really belong to the republic. It is an arm of
the corporate USA and owes its allegiance there. The UCMJ is a product of the USC which comes into being by a series of acts, which is the
corporation's way of producing creations which 'have the effect of law'. Read appearance. The oath is to the corporate US Govt.

I am a veteran. I served in the Navy. I enlisted when I was 17 and got out shortly before the first Iraq war. I know what it is like to feel
patriotic and feel you are serving to defend your country. I also know that there are a lot of war mongers in the military. When I was in we had a
lot of people wishing the Russians would flinch so we could teach them a lesson. Most of that was the higher ups, not the "grunts". Most of the
average enlisted guys would turn on their leaders if asked to fight Americans on home soil.

One thing that is beaten into you when you are at boot camp is how to follow orders. They also tell you that they own your soul for the term of your
enlistment, and they do a very good job of threatening you. When you are that young, you really do believe everything they tell you. You learn not
to question authority. This is why no one questions our mission over there until they get out. A few will try, and the military will make an example
of them to dissuade others from following suit.

I am a patriot. I love my country. I feel pride for those who serve. I do not, however, agree with what they are being told to do and why. It is
OUR responsibility to let our officials know of our disapproval of the situation and force them to change course. We elected them, we gave them the
power to do it. It is up to us to revoke that power and bring our troops home to defend our homeland as the Constitution instructed us to do.

Originally posted by discharged77
It's nothing personal against our armed forces, it's just a hypocritical statement made by many citizens here in the old USA "I don't support the
wars, but I support the troops" WHAT? It makes zero sense and its classic doublespeak.

Really? How did you come to that conclusion? What kind of all or nothing, absolutist thinking is that? You can very easily be against the wars to
secure corporate resources, but still offer your personal support and gratitude for the little people who signed up to defend this country, but are
being misused because we the people allow our corrupt politicians to stay in power. They are not being cut in to the spoils of these wars, they
are being maimed and killed, only to be abandoned by the government once they serve their purpose. You don't know their personal motives for joining,
many probably do sign up to serve and defend this country. We the people have failed them, by allowing known crooks to stay in power, and keep getting
richer off ALL of our work and sacrifices.

Originally posted by discharged77
They are doing a "job" they choose to do, just like anybody else in this world does, it does not matter if its for tuition money for college or too
support their families, I don't understand why we should have some special sympathy for them?

Perhaps because their job is a little bit different than a job in the office, or McDonalds, or whatever. They stand in front of people who are
shooting at them. On the flip side, the people who are shooting at them currently, are probably justified in doing so. No argument there, our current
wars are wrong, and our government is doing the bidding of their masters who we allow to bribe them right in front of our faces. Again, the military
is a tool, and there is bravery involved in going into battle. An army with divided loyalties, that could individually pick and choose their
missions, would be worthless. Like any tool, it needs to be ready to go. I wonder how you guys would feel about the military if it were fractured by
divided loyalties where most of them refused to fight, and we really were threatened. You'd probably be wishing they were there for you as
Chinese soldiers are raping your wives (with their little Chinese wangs)...

Listen, we are not talking about hypothetical situations here,
we are talking about what is really happening, last time I checked we where not being invaded by China. On the other hand, if the shoe was on the
other foot and an outside army was invading America because we where supposedly harboring "terrorists" how would you feel? Would you fight back when
they crashed in your door at 3am in the morning? Would you be a big fan of said country? I would think not. As far as their job goes, they wanted to
do it and I am sure they had a good idea that it involved shooting at and being shoot at by others.

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