mark12A:What America did you the Native Americans is an apt comparison. Like Nazi did to the Jews, Israel has concentrated Palestinians into impoverished ghettos and controls their movement. So we agree that Israel is using the tactics of brutal regimes. Like employing White Phosphorus on Palestinian children, for instance.

Quoted for truth. I have never seen any of the suckers of Israel's cock suggest a solution, besides a Final Solution, to the Palestinian Question.

How about this for a Final Solution: Palestinians stop attacking Israelis every farking chance they get. Maybe stop acting like non-story irrational mad dogs and try to work out a deal. Stop teaching their children non-stop to hate Jews.

If the Palistinians HAD ANY BRAINS AT ALL, they would gain the favor of the world, and Israel, by responsibly running the Gaza Strip as a democratic, fair and just society, instead of just another Islamic thugocracy.

Before Israel existed, the Jews bought some desert wasteland (Haifa), SOLD TO THEM BY ARABS, developed it into something productive, which the Arabs then turned around and tried to take back.

Maybe the muslims should try doing something productive, for once.

Of course, you just outed yourself as a sucker of Israeli cock.

Lesson to be learned: NEVER answer a lose-lose question, just ignore poster.

Joe Blowme:Mazzic518: Shan: Masquerader317: ciberido: Masquerader317: Why is the press core asking about stupid crap and not this right now? The president is standing there right in front of them, why don't they ask about this?

globalwarmingpraiser: Are you an AP stringer for Reuters?

He's She's probably a Marine stay at home mom of four.

FTFY. 0_o

Old Fark meme. Someone claimed they were a Marine and served in the "core" instead of the corps. It deteriorated from there. Surprised to see it referenced really.

Kraftwerk Orange:ciberido: 1) Judaism and Islam are both Abrahamic religions (as is Christianity). There is such a thing as a "Semitic religion" but it doesn't mean what you think it means.

It's interesting that in your reference to Wikipedia, you missed this:

"Religion

In a religious context, the term 'Semitic' can refer to the religions associated with the speakers of these languages: thus Judaism, Christianity and Islam are often described as "Semitic religions" (irrespective of language family spoken by their adherents). Manicheanism and the Mandaean religion also fall within this category."

It goes on to point out (and I agree) that Abrahamic Religion is more commonly used. However, there's nothing inherently wrong with describing Judaism and Islam as "Semitic" religions. It's the way my history professors referred to them, so I feel quite comfortable continuing to do so myself.

Further, here is a University of Washington (not my alma mater, but easily found for quick linky) International Studies Comparative Religion class schedule:

RELIG 201 Introduction to World Religions: Western Traditions (5) I&S WellmanHistory of religions, concentrating on religious traditions that have developed west of the Indus. Primary attention to the Semitic religions (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) and to their ancient world background with emphasis on basic conceptual and symbolic structures.

Allow me to repeat the part you misunderstood:

"There is such a thing as a "Semitic religion" but it doesn't mean what you think it means."

You are technically correct in that you CAN describe Judaism and Islam as "Semitic religions," but "Semitic religion" is NOT a synonym for "Abrahamic religion." The terms have distinct meanings.

Since you seem to like doing research, please feel free to continue researching the terms "Semitic religion" and ""Abrahamic religion" until you understand the distinction between the two. On your own time, preferably.

You might also wish to inform University of Washington that they made a slight error.

It's been a while since I've seen a bad Reuters photoshop or purposefully bad perspective shot, so I guess we were due. Think they'll run with the stuffed animal thing again? Or maybe the same woman mourning in multiple locations?

Mid_mo_mad_man:Diogenes Teufelsdrockh: Vegan Meat Popsicle: Oh good. A bunch of people who think a magic sky man gave them a chunk of desert in the middle of someone else's property are going to go beat the shiat out of a bunch of people who think the appropriate response to losing their land is to blow up buses and pizzerias full of innocent people who largely had nothing to do with it.

[fc02.deviantart.net image 850x543]/hot like the fires of hell all these people can go burn in

You know, genetically speaking, the Jews were there first and there the longest (and as the best defined location specific ethnic group). There was some hoopla a couple of years ago when the studies came out. I'm having trouble remembering where to find them, but I think this is one (unable to log in right now to verify). The Palestinians are fairly recent immigrees to the region (in consideration of that part of the world having a very deep history) moving in as a result of the Romans were doing their thing to run the Jews out. (You know, the whole ethnic cleansing, destroying their temples, outlawing the people and religion, stealing their property, etc all that fun stuff if the history I learned is right.)

The situation is a whole lotta gray once you know the actual history of the place and not the propaganda from both sides. One must be pretty retarded to think one side is right and the other wrong or that both sides are wrong. You say it's the Jews forcing their way onto someone else's property, but others could equate it to the homeowners returning after a long trip away and seeking to kick out squatters (squatters who enlisted the aid of some ethnic cleansers to run the family out in the first place). If there is any truth at all, it's probably in the middle, but where oh where? Can't be easy to find it else they wouldn't be handing Nobel Peace Prizes out like candy to anyone who seems to come close to figuring it out.

So following your reasoning Canada should belong to the Danes since they w ...

Look, if the Danes are going to rule like true Vikings, let's get this revolution started.

karl2025:onyxruby: This is the wonderful thread where we get to see hypocrites that otherwise claim to be peace loving come to the defense of terrorist organizations like Hamas. You know the same organizations that put into daily practice everything that their useful idiot defenders decry anyone else doing (murder, poor treatment of woman, civil liberties etc).

Never understood people like that, it's like the vegan that says it's okay to eat hamburger from Angus cows but goes around belittling anyone who dares to eat the meat of any other cow or other animal as being cruel to animals. Stand back, grab your marshmallows and get ready to watch everyone flame everyone....

They aren't defending the violence of Hamas, they're condemning the violence of Israel. It's a subtle difference.

So if a man stands outside my home and starts randomly shooting into the house and i shoot him dead to keep me and family safe that makes it OK to condemn my violence?

I only support this however if the goal is full invasion and destruction of Hamas and other armed groups firing rockets. Otherwise, its just a lot of people who will die, lots of civilians from collateral damage rather than being shot in the face at close range and will lead to nothing.

Either we go in full measures, or we do not go in. Anything will be a disaster.

First are you going by land deeds? in each which case Jewish land would be biggerPopulation? than the bottom 1/3 should belong to no one other than few camels and some Bedouin, the Negav has never been overly populated and still isn't

including the 1947 plan that Israel agreed to but the Palestinians rejected is an interesting choice plus the next image ignores the fact that the W.Bank and Gaza were in Jordain and Egyptian hands between 47 and 67

here is what the W.Bank looks like now

Per the Oslo accord

Area A (full civil and security control by the Palestinian Authority): circa 3% of the West Bank, exclusive East-Jerusalem (first phase, 1995).[1][2] In 2011: 18%.[3][4] This area includes all Palestinian cities and their surrounding areas, with no Israeli settlements. Entry into this area is forbidden to all Israeli citizens. The Israel Defense Forces maintain no presence, but sometimes conducts raids to arrest suspected militants.

Area B (Palestinian civil control and joint Israeli-Palestinian security control): circa 25% (first phase, 1995).[1][2] In 2011: 21%.[3][4] Includes areas of many Palestinian towns and villages and areas, with no Israeli settlements.

Area C (full Israeli civil and security control, except over Palestinian civilians): circa 72% (first phase, 1995).[1][2] In 2011: 61%.[3][4] These areas include all Israeli settlements (cities, towns, and villages), nearby land, most roadways that connected the settlements (and which Israelis are now restricted to) as well as strategic areas described as "security zones."[3] There were 1,000 Israeli settlers living in Area C in 1972. By 1993, their population had increased to 110,000. As of 2012 they number more than 300,000 - as against 150,000 Palestinians, the majority of whom are Bedouin and fellahin.[5]

I'd continually launch rockets at you as well if you kept me segregated in an apartheid prison state and were never going to let me out ever. It's time for Israel to give gaza and the west bank back to the palesitinians and let them administer themselves as a sovereign nation. If they still continue the rocket fire farkery after that, then nuke them for all I care. At least you could say you tried instead of looking like a bunch of complete assholes trying to keep a group of people living in utter despair.

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Tatsuma:Communist_Manifesto: I'd continually launch rockets at you as well if you kept me segregated in an apartheid prison state

They have a border with Egypt that is controlled by Egypt. Until they fired rockets, not a single Israeli soldier in Gaza.

How is that either a prison, or an Apartheid state?

Israel does not allow freedom of movement for palestinians within Israel and entirely controls the flow of goods and people going to and from the palestinian territories. Sounds like apartheid to me. Palestine is basically an open air prison because Israel controls it with an iron fist.

Communist_Manifesto:Tatsuma: Communist_Manifesto: I'd continually launch rockets at you as well if you kept me segregated in an apartheid prison state

They have a border with Egypt that is controlled by Egypt. Until they fired rockets, not a single Israeli soldier in Gaza.

How is that either a prison, or an Apartheid state?

Israel does not allow freedom of movement for palestinians within Israel and entirely controls the flow of goods and people going to and from the palestinian territories. Sounds like apartheid to me. Palestine is basically an open air prison because Israel controls it with an iron fist.

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So move retards. Go claim some other spot on Earth and make it yours. Hell some of us in the US are offering (figuratively) states for the taking. Or a nice ranch in Wyoming. Or a ski area in CA. Pick something, you'll fit in.

Tatsuma:Communist_Manifesto: Israel does not allow freedom of movement for palestinians within Israel

America does not allow freedom of movement of Mexicans in Israel. APARTHEID

Communist_Manifesto: and entirely controls the flow of goods and people going to and from the palestinian territories.

No, Egypt controls its side of the border and whatever goes through there.

Again, no leg to stand on

So palestine is it's own country now, totally free and sovereign? America also doesn't set up road blocks in Mexico, or try to send settlers to Mexico. Quit being obtuse and deflecting from the larger issue. Israel for all intents and purposes controls the palestinian territories.

Funny enough from the standpoint of the history of human society, the point at which religion goes from worshiping feminine nature-based figures to revering male deities is typically shortly after you've seen the move from roaming, hunting and gathering societies that depend a lot on luck to survive (finding food, no ill turns in the weather which push herds away from their typical gathering places, and s on) to agrarian societies that don't move around much and whose survival depends largely on having big stockpiles of stuff.

Stuff you can take by force.

Then it's handy to make God a man 'cause, yanno, war's a man's game and all. All the Abrahamic faiths (including Christianity, Islam, and yes, Judaism)share more or less the same male deity, soooo.... you get this.

Very interesting point, thank you.

I'm not religious myself but find religions fascinating, especially as they relate to the history of mankind. I don't suppose you know of a book or website that goes into further depth about what you said? I'm always looking for new reading material :-)

Hunter gathers were just as violent and bloodthirsty as civilized societies. Hippies and Wiccans like to pretend otherwise to justify their critiques of modern society, but its all nonsense. The Pawnee, which certainly fit the definition above, kept slaves, engaged in human sacrifice and regular wars with rival tribes as late as the 1840s. All prechristian societies, agricultural or hunter-gatherer, did the same. Link

fanbladesaresharp:Communist_Manifesto: Tatsuma: Communist_Manifesto: I'd continually launch rockets at you as well if you kept me segregated in an apartheid prison state

They have a border with Egypt that is controlled by Egypt. Until they fired rockets, not a single Israeli soldier in Gaza.

How is that either a prison, or an Apartheid state?

Israel does not allow freedom of movement for palestinians within Israel and entirely controls the flow of goods and people going to and from the palestinian territories. Sounds like apartheid to me. Palestine is basically an open air prison because Israel controls it with an iron fist.

Link

So move retards. Go claim some other spot on Earth and make it yours. Hell some of us in the US are offering (figuratively) states for the taking. Or a nice ranch in Wyoming. Or a ski area in CA. Pick something, you'll fit in.

It's hard to move out of a country when you don't have access to the money it takes to move like that. It is also very difficult to get a passport as a palestinian. That's an overly simple "solution" that doesn't take into account that they might have history there and they don't necessarily want to move.

How many dead palestinian children are needed before they wake up and realise they need to let God's Chosen People have their lebensraum?

The Israelis can bring order to the mess that is Palestine - maybe organise people by giving them little emblems to sew on their clothes, or fix the housing situation by putting them in nice big camps.

Communist_Manifesto:America also doesn't set up road blocks in Mexico, or try to send settlers to Mexico. Quit being obtuse and deflecting from the larger issue. Israel for all intents and purposes controls the palestinian territories.

Again, a fully open border with Egypt that Israel has nothing to do with.

Even Hamas came out a few months ago and were bragging about how they liberated Gaza from 'the occupation' and how it wasn't occupied thanks to them anymore.

Tatsuma:Communist_Manifesto: So palestine is it's own country now, totally free and sovereign?

So a piece of land on this earth is either a fully free state, or its a prison apartheid state?

... stuff like this is why I stopped coming here. And, well, being busy.

Please go away again because you add nothing of value. You tried to compare Israel and Palestine to America and Mexico, which means your either truly retarded or you're not arguing in good faith. I said things like America doesn't set up road blocks and curfews for Mexico and you entirely left that part out. You keep bringing up an egyptian border that Israel has nothing to do with. The fact that Israel puts curfews and a vast array of restrictions on the way Palestinians go about their everyday life leads me to the conclusion that they in effect control palestine, whether or not some parts of the palestinian territories border Egypt is immaterial given the vast control Israel exerts over Palestine.

Tatsuma:Communist_Manifesto: Please go away again because you add nothing of value.

Outside of debunking your stupid and inaccurate propaganda?

Gaza is neither an apartheid stated, nor a prison. Are you willing to admit that?

Is it propaganda that Israel places a wide array restrictions on Palestinians in the Palestinian territories? You have debunked nothing and have only inserted a bunch of non sequiturs about the USA and Mexico in to the argument. Do you think the situation between America and Mexico is exactly the same as the situation between Israel and the palestinians?