smcj wrote:
That's actually correct, mind can never take itself as its own object dualistically.

Well, I don't agree with you. The mind can perceive anything, whether singular or dualistic - even take itself as it's own object. Meaning it is able to know itself. The mind is not an inanimate object.

tomamundsen wrote:
What do you mean by "truth" here? I guess we might be talking past each other if we aren't using the word in the same way.

You're starting to get over my head buddy, why do you say truth with apostrophes? There is actually something that is the TRUTH, without apostrophes and all lol. But the truth can only finally take us "so far", so look beyond it as well after you have finally gotten to know it (the truth).

tomamundsen wrote:
What do you mean by "truth" here? I guess we might be talking past each other if we aren't using the word in the same way.

You're starting to get over my head buddy, why do you say truth with apostrophes? There is actually something that is the TRUTH, without apostrophes and all lol. But the truth can only finally take us "so far", so look beyond it as well after you have finally gotten to know it (the truth).

I was just using the quotes because I am uncertain of what is meant by it. I haven't found any Truth on my path yet, but I am a poor practitioner. I will keep this in mind in case I do see Truth one day. Thank you.

tomamundsen wrote:
I was just using the quotes because I am uncertain of what is meant by it. I haven't found any Truth on my path yet, but I am a poor practitioner. I will keep this in mind in case I do see Truth one day. Thank you.

tomamundsen wrote:Garudha is doing just fine, I don't have any intention to disrupt his topics. If anything, I think Kim is actually protecting him from us.

Pretty much.
I'm saying, "I hope you do realise that Garudha isn't necessarily expressing his own real opinions," and, "You should be reading this as fiction or poetry or parable or myth or whatever, but not as though it is a genuine rant."

Well Mr Truth walks into a bar filled with regulars gathered round various tables and leaning posts, and asks the bartender, "I'm looking for the truth".

Everyone in the bar puts their drinks down. The bar tender replies "We don't serve the truth in here".

Mr Truth slams his fist down "I demand the truth!".

"I'll have to ask you to leave" the bar tender informs the customer.

Mr Truth leaves.

The tender tells his patrons "You won't find the truth in this bar".

A customer asks openly "Why not tell the guy the truth?"

"Impossible" replies the bar tender. "His head would explode, there'd be no truth, and the resultant situation would be impossible".

"What do you mean by "impossible"', asks another?

"Well, although today, we've all seen the truth; none of us can can actually imagine what the resultant situation would be like. The universe is made from quantum particles, and these laws are fundamental to how we exist, it's therefore impossible, due to the laws of quantum mechanics, to even imagine what would happen if the truth exploded."

"If the truth can never know itself, due to the very existence of itself, how can this paradoxical situation ever be resolved ?"

"There are those who have a faith but it's not discussed openly"

"A faith in what? Can you give a hint"

"In lies, and deception, that the tables can be turned, and the truth becomes a lie, that lies become the new truth".

"Never... the truth will always win-out".

"Well, if it would be so, then the truth must remain in ignorance for the continuum to remain as it is".