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Re: Gang interventionist gunned down after confronting tagger

Originally Posted by deltabtry

Now you have resulted in calling me a liar, I have treated you with respect up until now. So you want to drag this thread into a baiting session and not debate on the topic. First of all everything I posted in regards to links is fact not my opinion. If you think otherwise then the onus of proof is on you. You posted statistics which doesn't diminished the fact that gangs are murdering up to 400 plus people a year in a single city. Other comments that I have made is my opinion and I never stated other wise.

The operative word is "gangs." You stated....

we are talking about one gang currently, if you wish we can talk about all gangs but this will take quite some time." - deltabtry

So which was it? Either we were talking about one gang or just gangs in general? Either way at this point, we know for a fact that one of your statements was indeed a fabrication, correct?

Originally Posted by deltabtry

That said and your wish to appease gangs and condone their behavior and tolerate the hundreds of murderers makes you bad as the gangs themselves, all under your so called concern for the rule of law.

Please point out where I said any of this or even implied it?

Another fabrication.

Originally Posted by deltabtry

Like most in this country who are subjected to gang infested neighborhoods and the mayhem that issues, you also turn a blind eye.

Wanting them to be treated by the criminal justice system and not a lynch mob is somehow turning a blind eye?

Originally Posted by deltabtry

As long as it isn't in my neighborhood I will defend them.

Read that back and tell me what sense it makes? I grew up on the South side if Chicago. I know what gangs are capable of all to well.

Originally Posted by deltabtry

Whatever you posted doesn't mean a hill of beans to those who lie dead in the streets, then again your not there to pick up the pieces.

Appeal to emotion, please.

Originally Posted by deltabtry

In regards to the constitution and the statement I have made in that regard, prove otherwise.

Have you actually read anything I posted?

It has to do with that whole life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Until they are busted for an actual crime, they are free to associate with whomever they wish, just like everybody else. Without fear of arrest.

Last edited by Black Dog; 02-10-10 at 06:00 PM.

Originally Posted by Moot

Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.

Originally Posted by Absentglare

You can successfully wipe your ass with toilet paper, that doesn't mean that you should.

Re: Gang interventionist gunned down after confronting tagger

So which was it? Either we were talking about one gang or just gangs in general? Either way at this point, we know for a fact that one of your statements was indeed a fabrication, correct?

Please point out where I said any of this or even implied it?

Another fabrication.

Wanting them to be treated by the criminal justice system and not a lynch mob is somehow turning a blind eye?

Read that back and tell me what sense it makes? I grew up on the South side if Chicago. I know what gangs are capable of all to well.

Appeal to emotion, please.

Have you actually read anything I posted?

It has to do with that whole life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Until they are busted for an actual crime, they are free to associate with whomever they wish, just like everybody else. Without fear of arrest.

b]we are talking about one gang currently, if you wish we can talk about all gangs but this will take quite some time.[

So which was it? Either we were talking about one gang or just gangs in general? Either way at this point, we know for a fact that one of your statements was indeed a fabrication, correct?

Fabrication..what are talking about? How is this a fabrication, I was on topic..L.A. gangs, you are the one that went off on a tagent with mentioning other gangs, none the less I addressed that, read your post. Your baiting again.

Please point out where I said any of this or even implied it?

read your own post

Wanting them to be treated by the criminal justice system and not a lynch mob is somehow turning a blind eye?

No one mentioned lynch mob, now your fabricating.

Read that back and tell me what sense it makes? I grew up on the South side if Chicago. I know what gangs are capable of all to well.

I knew you must have been around this enviroment, explains why you have symapthy for gangs and if not can't understand why your defending them. Southside Chicago is a cesspool, this speaks volumes.

Appeal to emotion, please.

That's right it does, the dead has a nasty habit of doing that, of course being from the southside your numb to it, business as usual.

Have you actually read anything I posted?

It has to do with that whole life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Until they are busted for an actual crime, they are free to associate with whomever they wish, just like everybody else. Without fear of arrest.

Most gangster have already been arrested more than once and most are on probation. ..next

Re: Gang interventionist gunned down after confronting tagger

Originally Posted by deltabtry

Your only referring to Capone and his gangs non the less Ness was aggressive by tearing up his drug dens, breweries etc.but, Ness's job also consisted fighting gangs in Cleveland Ohio, corruption, prohibition and corruption amongst law enforcement and so on. Read his Bio

And that is already done. Every time you hear about a huge drug bust, that is in the image of Elliot Ness. Every time of a gun stash being found? That is in the image of Elliot Ness. Elliot Ness didn't do anything that isn't done today. Only difference is we don't have gangsters with really famous names anymore and with the frequency they existed 80-70 years ago.

I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality. - MLK

Re: Gang interventionist gunned down after confronting tagger

Originally Posted by Partisan

Instead of destroying cocaine in Columbia, we should be making crack as fast as we can & distributing it in South Central, free, on a daily basis ....
It might take some time, but you will get the desired result......

Re: Gang interventionist gunned down after confronting tagger

Originally Posted by Hatuey

And that is already done. Every time you hear about a huge drug bust, that is in the image of Elliot Ness. Every time of a gun stash being found? That is in the image of Elliot Ness. Elliot Ness didn't do anything that isn't done today. Only difference is we don't have gangsters with really famous names anymore and with the frequency they existed 80-70 years ago.

It was aggressiveness is what we were talking about, which comes on many levels. Non the less you have to admit that the court and current rules of let say engagement is severely restricted for our law enforcement officers. The murders are still at a astronomical rate and especially targeting one race of people. A tougher approach needs to be applied and the reasoning for why I started my posts here on this forum the way I did.
Now if these crimes venture out into Hollywood, San Fernando Valley at the rate and severity as it is in South Central, then we would see the law come down real hard..why is this. This is why I was arguing with Blackdog and his line of thought is why this is dragging out over generations.

BTW Eliot Ness was the example off the top of my head, a better one would be Gen Patton in his junior officer years during the raids in to Mexico going after Pancho Villa.

Everyone should be given their constitutional rights but, once entering into a gang, being armed and assaulting rivals, passersby, robberies etc., and once arrested then the gloves should come off.

Re: Gang interventionist gunned down after confronting tagger

Originally Posted by deltabtry

Fabrication..what are talking about? How is this a fabrication, I was on topic..L.A. gangs, you are the one that went off on a tagent with mentioning other gangs, none the less I addressed that, read your post. Your baiting again.

We were talking about gangs in general. You wanted to avoid the tough questions (as you have been) and go off on something that was not mentioned by anyone.

Yes you lied.

Originally Posted by deltabtry

read your own post

Again with the avoiding the questions because you lied again.

Originally Posted by deltabtry

No one mentioned lynch mob, now your fabricating.

What you suggest is the same in spirit. This had nothing to do with fabricating anything.

Nice fallacy though.

Originally Posted by deltabtry

I knew you must have been around this enviroment, explains why you have symapthy for gangs and if not can't understand why your defending them. Southside Chicago is a cesspool, this speaks volumes.

You have got to be kidding.

So in other words you got nothing.

Originally Posted by deltabtry

That's right it does, the dead has a nasty habit of doing that, of course being from the southside your numb to it, business as usual.

Same as before still got nothing.

Originally Posted by deltabtry

Most gangster have already been arrested more than once and most are on probation. ..next

So what?

50-60% (urban) males are arrested in their lifetime.

Originally Posted by Moot

Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.

Originally Posted by Absentglare

You can successfully wipe your ass with toilet paper, that doesn't mean that you should.

Re: Gang interventionist gunned down after confronting tagger

We were talking about gangs in general. You wanted to avoid the tough questions (as you have been) and go off on something that was not mentioned by anyone.

Yes you lied.

Again with the avoiding the questions because you lied again.

What you suggest is the same in spirit. This had nothing to do with fabricating anything.

Nice fallacy though.

You have got to be kidding.

So in other words you got nothing.

Same as before still got nothing.

So what?

50-60% (urban) males are arrested in their lifetime.

We were talking about gangs in general. You wanted to avoid the tough questions (as you have been) and go off on something that was not mentioned by anyone.

Yes you lied.

refer to post #27 my first post, that's what my posts are based off of. If you can't comprehend that and all you wish to do is flame, then this is over.

What you suggest is the same in spirit. This had nothing to do with fabricating anything

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You know nothing your just assume and you know what that means, but we will play your game. The same can be said about your post...in spirit. You support the gangs and advocate murder by hindering law enforcement, let the readers judge for themselves.

So what?

50-60% (urban) males are arrested in their lifetime.

Your a drone, you just don't get it. You actually can not comprehend what I just stated, perhaps I should draw a map and point you in the right direction.