Maybe I didn't realice it because in I am too much in aviation. We usually talk about geographic regions and not exactly continents. Maybe therefore I mentally place Beirut and Tehran in the Middle East and not to Asia, which I usually tend to shrink to the Far East.
On the other side the article speaks especially of Latin America, what excludes the USA. So I ask myself why the article didn't express in the same way the Middle East and East Asia if they mean that they want to introduce new routes to BEY, TEH and more to Japan, China etc. Why generalizing in Asia and differentiating in America?

So what do you expect will be the new destinations for the 6 aircrafts?

Lesson to anyone: South, Central and North America are ONE continent: The Americas. of course, this has been discussed here many times, with no conclusion, and let's not start again this endless discussion.

However, I think everybody understood AC's message: it focus is on Latin America (South, Central American and Caribbean) and Asia, meaning Far East Asian destinations. In the airline industry you never see strategic plans including the Middle East region together with Asia. So much so that in IATA's statistical table Middle East comes SEPARATE from Asia!

what is Asia? I tend to follow Hardiw who argues that Asia is something different from the middle East in terms of Aviation.

Beside that, America is ONE continent. Therefore the IOC is symboled by 5 rings, one for each continent except Antarctica. Aviationwise it is divided into three regions (North, South and Latin/Caribic).

Its pretty obvious and sensible for AC to scout the used B 767-300ER market than the A343/A332 market as there are many more B 763ERs available than those Airbus widebodies. If the Airbus widebodies were available, then Etihad Airways of AUH would have snapped them up ASAP.

AC should look into approaching financially strapped carriers who need extra cash and can obtain it via leasing AC its B 763ERs such as DELTA, AMERICAN and UNITED AIRLINES respectively.

AC can use 1 B 763ER for 3-4 weekyl YUL-BEY-YUL nonstop flights and it would also be wise to send a B 763ER 5 weekly or daily nonstop from YVR to Brazil preferably GRU because of the numerous ASIAN connections available out of YVR compared to YYZ.

Lots of Brazilians now use AC to get to Asia because of the new US Customs law (where as Brazilians dont need a transit visa 4 Canada) and from YVR u can fly AC nonstop to ICN-NRT-KIX-PEK-PVG-HKG-NGO-BKK etc where as from YYZ there are only nonstop flights available to HKG and NRT.

And since RG-Varig is also a STAR ALLIANCE member like AC, the possibilities of codesharing on the YVR-Brazil and YVR-Asian routes are numerous

oh ok...I didnt know that...thanks for pointing that out...however a B 762ER could easily do the job then but having to re-fit the B 762ERs with the new AC Y and J class product would be a costly initiative to undertake so it probably wouldnt work as also the capacity of the B 762 (180-190 seats) isnt large enough to warrant a frequent YVR-GRU service. On such routes, the A 332 comes so much in handy

If the A 343 is to be used on this route then it probably would be wise extending the flight from GRU to EZE in order to generate more traffic and high yield pax flying to Asia and vice versa.

The Americas (sometimes referred to as America) is the area including the land mass located between the Pacific Ocean and the Atlantic Ocean, generally divided into North America and South America. The term also usually includes the Caribbean, the islands in and around the Caribbean Sea, and Greenland, though not Iceland, for cultural and historical reasons. The isthmus of Central America is usually considered geographically part of North America. The Americas are often also described collectively as the Western Hemisphere or the New World.

Most references in English assume that that there are two continents, North America and South America. In American Spanish, however, the assumption is that there is a single continent, America. Moreover, the use of America to refer to the New World as a whole is also found in English, such as in the common phrase “Christopher Columbus discovered America”.

The single-continent concept also appears thematically; for example, the five rings of the Olympic flag represent the habitable continents; only one of the five represents all of the Americas.

People who live in the Americas are sometimes referred to as being American, although the word ‘American’ is used much more commonly, and, indeed, nearly exclusively in English, to refer to a citizen of the United States of America. The Spanish language uses norteamericano ("North American") or estadounidense (literally "United Statesian") when referring to U.S. citizens, and the French language which sometimes accepts ''

tats-unien'' ( tats-unienne for women). In Portuguese, people born in United States of America are mostly termed norteamericano instead of americano, while estadunidense is rarely used, and almost exclusively as an ideological statement that the term American shouldn't be reserved for the people of the USA, but many consider this should be the preferred name to be used. On the other hand, Mexico is properly the United States of Mexico.

The Middle East is nothing but a region and MOST of the region resides in Asia. Some of it is in Africa (Egypt excluding the Sinai peninsula) and some of it is in Europe (Turkey, the part west of the Bosphorus strait).

The Middle East is meant nothing more than to characterize the distinctive culture and ethnicities this part of the world has.

Indeed, North America and South America are regarded as two independant continents.

North America consists of Canada, United States, Mexico, the Caribbean, and Central America.

And yes, Central America is indeed part of North America and contrary to popular belief, Mexico is NOT part of Central America even though it is pretty central.

That's the geography lesson of the day children.

Regards

"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran

I see AC getting more B767-300s, but what does the used market look like for A340-300s? What about A330-200/300s?

The number of available A330-200/300s with RR Trent 772 engines is either nil or almost nil. The A330-200 would be a good choice for AC if they are looking for more Airbuses to open new routes such as the ones speculated, but they would probably have to add yet another engine type to the fleet. Once in a while there are rumours (and nothing more than that) making the rounds that TS would like to ditch its A330s for smaller aircraft - in that case AC would be a good match already operating Trent 772 A330s.

Listen to this.
An endless discussion about what continents are and the original topic was about AC obtaining some extra jets! This is what's wrong with the world, endless b.s. about a question no one asked. Out of this thread, a handful of responses address the original question.

Thanks CPDC10-30. Though I wouldn't mind seeing A330-200s in AC fleet, I somehow doubt it will happen, mostly because of the engine issue you mentioned. I think they will just go for more 767-300s. Maybe the big question is, GE or PW?

From what I have seen with Air Canada, if they get 767-300ERs they will no doubt be GE powered as the latest ones were ordered with them. I would asume that Air Canada would pay for the option to have RR Trent 772Bs on all their future A330-243/343Xs. I can't see them adding PWs or GEs on those birds.

Europe and most of Asia are on the same continental plate and North and South America are on completely different plates. The six major plates are the North American, South American, African, Eurasian, Indian-Austrailian, and Antartic plates. Eventhough Europe and Asia are on the same continental plate they are generally accepted as two continents divided by the Ural mountains. The Americas is a region now, not a continent, once defined as a continent way back when the Americas meant across the Atlantic ocean and continents were basically far away places most people defining them would never see (other than Europe). Modern terminology however does not accept that North and South America are the same continent.

That said, it is hard to determine what AC means by Asia in their press release... often in Canada Asia means the pacific rim of Asia, South Asia means India and Pakistan, and the Middle East is self expanitory. My guess is Korea, China, Malaysia, and Brazil are target markets.

On the original topic, I wonder if these six include or exclude the two coming back from the desert.

@Enviro: But you should have a look on a tectonical map and you will see that your comment is false. North and South America are on the same plate. The American plate reaches from the pacific coast where it's collide with several plates (Nazca-Plate, Cocos-Plate and Pacific-Plate) to the middle of the Atlantic ocean, where the American and the Eurasian- and the African-Plate diverte.
There is also the Pacific-Plate which looks like a big cake. It goes along the Pacific Coast from Guatemala till Columbia, through the Venezuelan Cordilliere, following the Antilles Islands over Hispaniola and Jamaica back through Guatemala. But there is a big bridge between the middle Atlantic underwater Mountains and the little Antilles Islands where northern and the southern part of the American Plate are connected. Ant that is the case because the Carribbian Plate is 'swimming' on the American Plate.

But back to the topic, and hopefully we can stay here for the rest of the discussion. Tectonics was not the intention why I started this topic.

And when I combine the several informations (6 new long haul planes; Asia and Latin American focus; Sydney is already announced), I have an educated guess for the following routes:
YUL-BEY (3times weekly)
YYZ-THR (3times weekly)
YYZ-ICNYYZ-PEKYYZ-PVGYVR-CANYVR-TPEMNL, BOM and CMB could become an extansion to the Delhi flight.

I don't see any new long haul routes to Latin America, but a lot more flights with A319:
YVR-MEXYUL-HAVYYZ-GUAYYZ-SAL
YYZ-PTYYYZ-UIO-GYE-YYZ

THR is, in my view, a diversion. It will come, but I don't necessarily consider it a priority. I've seen a number of lists of new destinations under consideration, and the list changes weekly. I'm sure it's deliberate to keep competitors in the dark. I think YYZ-SEL is a good one, which they can probably do with a 763. But there are a couple of longhaul destinations under consideration that have never been talked about publicly. New southern hemisphere destinations could well come for the winter 05-06 schedule. I think the reinstatement of MEL is a decent prospect if AC is going to continue with winter double daily service to SYD. The YVR-HNL-SYD and cross with a YYZ-HNL-MEL flight. MEL was marginal under the old cost structure, but stands a good chance with the new.

Air CAnada only has 6 PW powered B767-300's and those are the original Air Canada B767's the rest are GE powered as they came from Canadian and leased after the merger, so yes a majority of B767-300's are GE Powered

When I checked somewhere in May there was a TPE. I have no idea if this was the computer error but I am well aware that currently. China Airlines and EVA fly this route. As for SIN, I heard that the Canadian side was keeping them out from doing more than 3 times weekly.

The thing is that even if AC acquire 767-300ER's, its impossible? Or near impossible to make it to TPE or CAN. I think PVG from YVR is as far as AC can get or can they push it more? I heard somewhere that the YVR-PVG was one of the longest runs on a 767-300ER.

If they are stating this now, I kinda feel pity that the 744 x 7 (AC & CP) had to go........

Lots of Brazilians now use AC to get to Asia because of the new US Customs law (where as Brazilians dont need a transit visa 4 Canada) and from YVR u can fly AC nonstop to ICN-NRT-KIX-PEK-PVG-HKG-NGO-BKK etc where as from YYZ there are only nonstop flights available to HKG and NRT.

Indeed, you went straight to the point! Nowadays AC is doing such a good business in Brazil because many, many Brazilians are using ACYYZ hub to connect onwards to Asian destinations, especially Japan. This is very high yield traffic, and exaplains GRU upgraded status to daily flights.

Next move for AC, either extend the flight to GIG or even served Rio with nonstop flights. But I dont known how VARIG would react to that move...

And since RG-Varig is also a STAR ALLIANCE member like AC, the possibilities of codesharing on the YVR-Brazil and YVR-Asian routes are numerous

Hummm....maybe, but RG operates its own Asian route to NRT, and is trying to operate a second flight to NRT via ZRH, provided it gets 5th freedom rights ZRH-NRT. Also, RG is discussing the possibility of flying to PEK, as an extension of its new service to MUC (GIG-GRU-MUC-PEK).

But isn't this currently code-shared with Mexicana? And YVR-MEX will just increase competition (won't AC prefer to have a monopoly like on the YVR-KIX flight?) I heard yields on this route are fairly good because if you want to fly direct, you have no other choice but AC. YVR-MEX; that will be Mexicana, JAL x 2 weekly, competition.

Also, TPE. Is this really a possibility? There are 2 744 flying there on certain days of the week so shouldn't that be enough for the time being?

It suffices to say that different countries and regions count continents in different ways. I was taught the seven continent model, but apparently the scientific literature currently uses a six continent model where europe and asia are one and north and south america are separate. Also all the maps of the pangaea supercontinent i've seen have north and south america rotating in relation to each other due to being on separate tectonic plates.

It would be good to see them add YYZ-KIX. It would sell well, there is a significant Kansai community in Toronto.

As for this endless bickering about continents the map in reply 37 just shows tectonic plates. If that's your basis of North and South America being separate then what about Arabia and India, are they no longer part of Asia?

Since we generally fly airport-to-airport, as long as the pilot is flying the right lat/long it really doesn't matter which or how many continents he thinks there are.

Besides, continents are a semi-arbitrary construct, just like the "official" date of the change of seasons that is widely bandied about in Canada in the USA. There are six or seven continents (or five for the Olympics) by convention depending upon where you live. If it is accepted by the populace, it is true, since it is arbitrary and more of a historical construct based upon European world exploration that it is upon plate tectonics.

Actually Pictues, there are five more P&W powered 767's in the fleet. FIN's 652, 653, 655, 686 and 687 are 3Y0ER's that are not original AC or CP machines.
FIN 652 is one of the 67's that is painted in the new colors.

In life, some days you are the bug..... some days you are the windshield!

Would it not be cheaper in the long run to use one engine-type rather than both PWs and GEs? Why continue to add PWs if most of the fleet is already GE-equipped thanks to Canadian? Is it because the B-767-200 fleet is PW-powered, so they are already equipped to deal with PW?