No Longer a Protestant Nation

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I found this online editorial today, talking of the end of the USA as a Protestant nation.

I'm OK with diversity, but I feel some of the fears of earlier generations were not unfounded. Since Indiana went to a voucher system, enrollment in Catholic schools is up 70%, with taxpayers footing the bill. In the House of Representatives, the Chaplain was a Catholic priest for 11 years, and when he retired in 2010, Nancy Pelosi and Boehner replaced him with a Catholic priest. (Despite James Madison's having written that tax money shouldn't be used on a chaplain.) Pelosi and Boehner are . . Catholic.

I know of John Courtney Murray and other Catholics in tune with American values, so I don't want to bash Catholicism. I'm against any faith currying for political favor. It's just that I worry a bit that the nation is changing so much.

In Texas, many charter schools are owned by a Turkish based company. Religion has been found being taught in some. The religion? Islam. OK, Jefferson said let's welcome Islam. But, he didn't want taxpayers paying for its teaching. I'm sure Texans aren't thrilled with the idea, either, though footing the bill they were.

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Islam is to be feared. Much like the Roman Catholic Church of the Dark Ages Islam is a political movement as well as a religious movement. Submission and world domination is their goal. Submission or death is their means!

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Islam is to be feared. Much like the Roman Catholic Church of the Dark Ages Islam is a political movement as well as a religious movement. Submission and world domination is their goal. Submission or death is their means!

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Eh, There is but an element of truth to your words. I think we have to be careful about allowing immigrants into the USA, just as we did with Germans and Japanese during WWII. Democracy is not a suicide pact.

However, too many Muslims the world over have proven Islam is not bad to the bone. Boxer Muhammad Ali. My friend from NYC. He was born up there, and is a citizen. He speaks like a New Yoorker. He is a Muslim, and a teacher in a college, here. He's not a radical at all. Then, there is the nation of Turkey, which is secular.

Looking at the history of Christianity, one can find parallels to Islamic intolerance. Salem. The 30 years War. Burning humans alive. German antisemitism.

True, there are differences. An Arab in America was waiting on a bus with me the other day. He explained how Israel may never be able to rest because of the Islamic concept of martyrs going to heaven. I know that their holy book condones marrying cousins, which is a recipe for genetic disaster.

Still, I remember Thomas Jefferson's autobiography, in which he wrote of how he and the VA legislature unanimously replaced "Jesus Christ" with "creator" in the Virginia Statute of Religious Freedom, so as to welcome infidels, Jews, Hindus, and Muslims.

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But aren't the parents of the kids in Catholic (and Christian) schools also taxpayers?

I think most would a agree kids attending parochial schools get a better education.

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I don't use the interstate highway system, but my taxes support it. I'm OK with that.

Likewise, support for public education is not optional. Not if we are to remain a democracy. Once we go down the path of every cult opening a school and taking in tax dollars in the form of vouchers, we can kiss religious freedom goodbye. Even patriotism will wane, as brainwashed children will swear allegiance to whatever leader the faith has. Pope. Guru. Etc.

ISTANBUL - Hürriyet Daily News
In the wake of an attack against an Istanbul Protestant Pastor, Christian Clerics in Turkey say they feel alarmed at the accelerating number of such incidents and even hesitate to open their doors to people

Attack on Easter

Three unidentified individuals attacked and beat Serkek on the night of April 7, immediately after an Easter service. “They were three people around the age of 18. They wore [prayer caps] on their heads. They forced the door open and said they were going to kill me unless I recited the ‘Kelime-i Şahadet’ [Islamic confession of faith]. I received a severe blow to my chest,” Serkek told the Daily News. The attacks were not coincidental, according to Serkek, who had also served as a mentor to the three victims slain in the Malatya Zirve Publishing House incident in eastern Turkey.

In 1786 Thomas Jefferson, then US ambassador to France, and John Adams, then US Ambassador to Britain, met in London with Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja, the Dey’s ambassador to Britain, in an attempt to negotiate a peace treaty with the Barbary Pirates based on Congress’ vote of funding. To the US Congress these two future Presidents later reported the reasons for the Muslims’ hostility towards America, a nation with which they had no previous contacts.

”...that it was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every Musselman (Muslim) who should be slain in Battle was sure to go to Paradise.”

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Since Indiana went to a voucher system, enrollment in Catholic schools is up 70%, with taxpayers footing the bill.

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In what way are taxpayers footing the bill?

The parents pay real estate taxes which go to help finance the public school education. To give them a voucher system is the fair way it should be so that their real estate taxes go to provide a quality education instead of double dipping. In Tennessee, my 2 grandchildren go to private school, but we have no voucher system. So the parents pay real estate taxes for the poor quality public schools and then pay again for tuition for the private school, double dipping.

Of course, there are many students attending public schools who don't pay real estate taxes at all but receive the benefit of a "free education" in which taxpayers are footing the bill.

Plus, I don't believe elderly people (over age 65) should have to pay any real estate tax - they no longer have children in the school system, but that is a topic for another day.

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I think religious freedom will die if we go to a European style socialization of religion. Socialized religion, no different from France's government buying a bank. Preachers will be required to spend more and more time politicking. To insure they get a portion of the pie. Look at how The US House of Representatives has had nothing but Roman Catholic chaplains for going on 12 years.

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Everyone, to steer this thread back a wee bit on course, let me remark:

What will Post Protestant America look like? The Census Bureau forecasts 100 million new Americans by 2050. Many of them will not like our religion, and many of us will not like their religion. It could be a mess. Or, it could strengthen religious freedom.

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I do think we should have a rational immigration policy. Until the Islamic world enters the modern world, we should no more allow in millions of them than we would have let Germans or Japanese in during WW Two. Which is why I support a group called FAIR.

Look at how Australia has had its Muslims protesting over that dumb video.

If one doesn't understand that blasphemy laws and free speech are incompatible, one isn't ready to be in the USA.

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