They probably ride great, but as a WW i've never even considered having one of these secondly the looks have never appealed to me and third I went into our Manchester pinno store and was put off further by the arrogant, snobbery of the staff that had little knowledge of what they are selling!

Aesthetically they do nothing for me and they maybe over priced but are they really boat anchors?...maybe when compared to the ultralight bikes around in the market atm but if you compare them to bikes from years prior I think you're being a bit hard on them...

If I was offered one for free that fit me I'd take it in a click!

_________________"It never gets easier, you just go faster..."- Greg Lemond

Being tall, I'm always looking at frame geometries. Dogma seems odd. Between the 61 and 63.5 the top tube goes from 587 to 620, headtube from 215 to 255 - these seem like big leaps. Between the 59 and the 61, the reach goes down from 397 to 394 and the headtube angle from 73.7 down to 73.4. It almost seems like these frames were designed for specific people. Don't get me wrong, I'd like to try one.

The frames are close to 1200 grams, which is heavy by any standard in the carbon fiber era. They're competitive with CAAD10.

Yes, 1200grams seems like to much these days. My understanding of this weight is as follow:

My Cervelo R5, Campa Record and Hyperon wheels weights at 6,4kg.

OK, what is the UCI limit? Yes, 6,8kg.

So, maybe engineers at Pinarello considered the UCI limit....why to make an 800gram frame if they get at 6,4kg...additional 400grams will have to be added to meet UCI weight limit. Lets put those 400grams in the frame to make if as stiff as possible, to make is as comfortable as possible!

My experience says, that they did it this way. The handling of Dogma in downhills and sprints is excellent, feels like a rock when hammering while comfortable when needed.

Just my 2 cents.

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