Tom Sullivan, whose 27-year-old son, Alex, was killed in the Aurora theater shooting, on Wednesday voiced outrage at comments from a state senator who said it was perhaps "a good thing" the gunman had a 100-round magazine.State Sen. Bernie Herpin, R-Colorado Springs, said it "was maybe a good thing he (suspect James Holmes) had a 100-round magazine because it jammed" during the July 201...

Why is it that only certain remarks by certain individual are allow to offend certain other individuals. While other remarks by other individuals are ignored constantly or are reported once then the remaks vaporize.

What is Tom Sullivan's political affiliation? It's a fair, the Democrats word, question. How often do Democrats use Democrats allies to rage their war?

Maybe is now an offensive word.

Maybe they will, maybe they won't. In either case Holmes was at the theater to kill, and he was going to do this regardless of the numbers of rounds in a single magazine. This was not randomly planned, remember Holmes was dress as a SWAT officer.

Is it possible Sen. Bernie Herpin is correct that higher round magazines are more likely to jam? Which then mean that the 15-round magazines WILL do more damage. Democrat unintentional consequences.

What a dumb argument. Why don't we repeal a ban on missile launchers since the bad guys can never sneak these into a theater unnoticed. Seriously though, that argument seems like it would be for somebody who supports the ban.

Josh B wrote:Perhaps Tom Sullivan (and Mr Mauser, and former mayor Bloomberg etc) should actually stop spewing nonsense and being offended by anyone that calls them on their stupid claims. Changing out a magazine in a pistol or rifle takes next to no time therefore 'saves' no lives. Changing between weapons if one jams takes next to no time as well. Yes, he lost a son to a deranged madman. So did the parents of the victims of David Berkowitz or Jeffrey Dahmer or Ted Bundy.

So let me make sure I understand. If one can change a magazine so seemlessly why are you against the ban in the first place? That does not sound very inconvenient to me.

Pretty heartless to call Mr. Sullivan and Mr. Mauser's claims stupid. After all they did lose somebody they love to gun violence and I cannot imagine what they went through. Would you ask Candy Lightner founder of MADD to quit "spewing nonsense" and her claims "stupid"? She lost her daughter to a drunk drive. Maybe if her daughter was killed by a gun you would call her cause stupid too? Just checking. Kudos for Sullivan and Mauser and everyone else who stands up for what they believe in (even pro gun people like you have the right).

Josh B wrote:Perhaps Tom Sullivan (and Mr Mauser, and former mayor Bloomberg etc) should actually stop spewing nonsense and being offended by anyone that calls them on their stupid claims. Changing out a magazine in a pistol or rifle takes next to no time therefore 'saves' no lives. Changing between weapons if one jams takes next to no time as well. Yes, he lost a son to a deranged madman. So did the parents of the victims of David Berkowitz or Jeffrey Dahmer or Ted Bundy.

A big part of the argument for the magazine restrictions is that having to change a magazine more often would give someone time to attack the shooter. This argument has been proven false over and over again. It also takes much more time than you realize for an untrained/unpracticed person to change magazines or guns. The only reason Lanza was able to be taken down is because his gun jammed, after completing a magazine change.

Wow. I'm also disgusted with the Senator and his insensitive comments and back-pedaling when call on it, but to have the support the two who commented (and those who promote unabridged access to weapons also show absolutely NO understanding or compassion toward the father and the victim(s), and for why they would want to defend this country in the first place.

And to somehow justify that it was a "good thing" that Holmes had a 100 round magazine demonstrates the ridiculousness of the argument and the flawed logic used to arrive at that conclusion.

We no longer live under our forbearer's motto: e pluribus, unum, but rather, it has become "Every man for himself". These are the qualities our culture now reveres:

Sick. Mean. Uncaring. Selfish.

Those are not qualities that make for a great country, and it is you folks who are leading the charge to our demise. Just wait, you gun-toting fools: You will one day have to defend yourselves against the anarchy you are now creating.

Josh B wrote:Perhaps Tom Sullivan (and Mr Mauser, and former mayor Bloomberg etc) should actually stop spewing nonsense and being offended by anyone that calls them on their stupid claims. Changing out a magazine in a pistol or rifle takes next to no time therefore 'saves' no lives. Changing between weapons if one jams takes next to no time as well. Yes, he lost a son to a deranged madman. So did the parents of the victims of David Berkowitz or Jeffrey Dahmer or Ted Bundy.

So let me make sure I understand. If one can change a magazine so seemlessly why are you against the ban in the first place? That does not sound very inconvenient to me.

Pretty heartless to call Mr. Sullivan and Mr. Mauser's claims stupid. After all they did lose somebody they love to gun violence and I cannot imagine what they went through. Would you ask Candy Lightner founder of MADD to quit "spewing nonsense" and her claims "stupid"? She lost her daughter to a drunk drive. Maybe if her daughter was killed by a gun you would call her cause stupid too? Just checking. Kudos for Sullivan and Mauser and everyone else who stands up for what they believe in (even pro gun people like you have the right).

Experiencing a tragedy does not automatically make one intelligent and/or logical.

Josh B wrote:Perhaps Tom Sullivan (and Mr Mauser, and former mayor Bloomberg etc) should actually stop spewing nonsense and being offended by anyone that calls them on their stupid claims. Changing out a magazine in a pistol or rifle takes next to no time therefore 'saves' no lives. Changing between weapons if one jams takes next to no time as well. Yes, he lost a son to a deranged madman. So did the parents of the victims of David Berkowitz or Jeffrey Dahmer or Ted Bundy.

So let me make sure I understand. If one can change a magazine so seemlessly why are you against the ban in the first place? That does not sound very inconvenient to me.

Pretty heartless to call Mr. Sullivan and Mr. Mauser's claims stupid. After all they did lose somebody they love to gun violence and I cannot imagine what they went through. Would you ask Candy Lightner founder of MADD to quit "spewing nonsense" and her claims "stupid"? She lost her daughter to a drunk drive. Maybe if her daughter was killed by a gun you would call her cause stupid too? Just checking. Kudos for Sullivan and Mauser and everyone else who stands up for what they believe in (even pro gun people like you have the right).

Experiencing a tragedy does not automatically make one intelligent and/or logical.

So just because you disagree with them you make the ASSumption that they are not intelligent and are illogical? Do you know either of them? Neither do I, but I am not going to call them stupid and certainly will have a more sympathetic ear to what they say than to what some blogger says on the Denver Post site who more than likely has not been through what they have.

The only group or person (s) that has clearly demonstrated their lack of compassion for victims of armed madmen is the Democrat Party and those who support them.

How quickly the hand-wringers and finger-pointers forget the scornful, arrogant, and insulting manner their very own former Sen. Evie Hudak (D) exhibited towards rape victim Amanda Collins, and the complete disregard for the safety of women-on-the-whole exhibited by CO Rep. Joe Salazar (D). Their clear infringement on a Constitutional Right aside, not only did both of the afore mentioned show complete lack of care or compassion, they put their words into actions by giving their full support and vote for all of last years 'do nothing but punish/endanger the innocent' gun control laws.

The grief of those directly impacted by armed madmen the likes of James Holmes and Adam Lanza [both btw w/(D) backgrounds] was quickly exploited to the fullest by Gov. John Hickenlooper (D), the Democrat Party on the whole, and their supporters, to further their personal and Political Party's anti-2nd Amendment Agenda, all the while creating even more grieving victims in the future.

Josh B wrote:Perhaps Tom Sullivan (and Mr Mauser, and former mayor Bloomberg etc) should actually stop spewing nonsense and being offended by anyone that calls them on their stupid claims. Changing out a magazine in a pistol or rifle takes next to no time therefore 'saves' no lives. Changing between weapons if one jams takes next to no time as well. Yes, he lost a son to a deranged madman. So did the parents of the victims of David Berkowitz or Jeffrey Dahmer or Ted Bundy.

So let me make sure I understand. If one can change a magazine so seemlessly why are you against the ban in the first place? That does not sound very inconvenient to me.

Pretty heartless to call Mr. Sullivan and Mr. Mauser's claims stupid. After all they did lose somebody they love to gun violence and I cannot imagine what they went through. Would you ask Candy Lightner founder of MADD to quit "spewing nonsense" and her claims "stupid"? She lost her daughter to a drunk drive. Maybe if her daughter was killed by a gun you would call her cause stupid too? Just checking. Kudos for Sullivan and Mauser and everyone else who stands up for what they believe in (even pro gun people like you have the right).

Experiencing a tragedy does not automatically make one intelligent and/or logical.

So just because you disagree with them you make the ASSumption that they are not intelligent and are illogical? Do you know either of them? Neither do I, but I am not going to call them stupid and certainly will have a more sympathetic ear to what they say than to what some blogger says on the Denver Post site who more than likely has not been through what they have.

I don't know either. Don't want to know them. I was just countering your claim that because one experiences a tragedy, would should automatically, and without thinking, give their opinion more weight. If Mauser ever said anything intelligent, I would agree with him, but he is blindly following a path and the rest of us be damned.

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The military uses 30 round magazines for their M16's and M4's, and a lot of them, for good reason. They don't put all their eggs in one basket, and anyone who has fired these 100 round drum magazines knows if there is a feeding problem you have a club. There may have been many more people killed and seriously injured if Holmes had several 30 rd. mags attached so they could easily be turned over and inserted. Just a basic principle of liberty will offend anyone at the drop of a hat? I don't think he was being out of line with the comment, as he was looking at it through a shooters perspective.

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Arky James wrote:It was an absolutely stupid remark uttered by an absolutely stupid person.

Unbelievable. This is what comes from the mind of someone who makes our laws.

(BTW - I own, and shoot, and support the 2nd amendment.)

You know Herpin personally do you? If not, then all you know about him is what the Denver Post or Ch. 9 tells you.

I'm a bit suspect you are the dedicated firearms owner/shooter/advocate for the 2nd Amend. you claim, because if you were, you'd do some research [ie: read transcript] and would direct your comments directly to Herpin @ his office rather than jump on the public finger-wagging bandwagon.

Tumultuous wrote:The military uses 20 round magazines for their M16's and M4's, and a lot of them, for good reason. They don't put all their eggs in one basket, and anyone who has fired these 100 round drum magazines knows if there is a feeding problem you have a club. There may have been many more people killed and seriously injured if Holmes had several 30 rd. mags attached so they could easily be turned over and inserted. Just a basic principle of liberty will offend anyone at the drop of a hat? I don't think he was being out of line with the comment, as he was looking at it through a shooters perspective.

The military hasn't used 20 round magazines since Vietnam, and soldiers were only allowed to load 16 rounds in a mag. All M-16 A2's and M4's use 30 round magazines.

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I think it was insensitive of Sullivan not to take into consideration the lives saved by that 100-round magazine jamming. It would have been insensitive of Herpin to say it was a "good" thing the 100-round magazine DIDN'T jam. It is Sullivan that deserves criticism, not Herpin.

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Tumultuous wrote:The military uses 20 round magazines for their M16's and M4's, and a lot of them, for good reason. They don't put all their eggs in one basket, and anyone who has fired these 100 round drum magazines knows if there is a feeding problem you have a club. There may have been many more people killed and seriously injured if Holmes had several 30 rd. mags attached so they could easily be turned over and inserted. Just a basic principle of liberty will offend anyone at the drop of a hat? I don't think he was being out of line with the comment, as he was looking at it through a shooters perspective.

The military hasn't used 20 round magazines since Vietnam. All M-16 A2's and M4's use 30 round magazines.

Sorry, I knew that I didn't proof read. Later I talked about the 30 rounders doubled up would be way more effective, and less likely to jam up. I still don't think he was way out of line in his comment, and I would continue to vote for him of he was in my district.

Josh B wrote:Perhaps Tom Sullivan (and Mr Mauser, and former mayor Bloomberg etc) should actually stop spewing nonsense and being offended by anyone that calls them on their stupid claims. Changing out a magazine in a pistol or rifle takes next to no time therefore 'saves' no lives. Changing between weapons if one jams takes next to no time as well. Yes, he lost a son to a deranged madman. So did the parents of the victims of David Berkowitz or Jeffrey Dahmer or Ted Bundy.

So let me make sure I understand. If one can change a magazine so seemlessly why are you against the ban in the first place? That does not sound very inconvenient to me.

Pretty heartless to call Mr. Sullivan and Mr. Mauser's claims stupid. After all they did lose somebody they love to gun violence and I cannot imagine what they went through. Would you ask Candy Lightner founder of MADD to quit "spewing nonsense" and her claims "stupid"? She lost her daughter to a drunk drive. Maybe if her daughter was killed by a gun you would call her cause stupid too? Just checking. Kudos for Sullivan and Mauser and everyone else who stands up for what they believe in (even pro gun people like you have the right).

Experiencing a tragedy does not automatically make one intelligent and/or logical.

So just because you disagree with them you make the ASSumption that they are not intelligent and are illogical? Do you know either of them? Neither do I, but I am not going to call them stupid and certainly will have a more sympathetic ear to what they say than to what some blogger says on the Denver Post site who more than likely has not been through what they have.

I don't know either. Don't want to know them. I was just countering your claim that because one experiences a tragedy, would should automatically, and without thinking, give their opinion more weight. If Mauser ever said anything intelligent, I would agree with him, but he is blindly following a path and the rest of us be damned.

I reread my response and I sounded like a bit of a jerk so accept my apology (including my use of the upper case lettering). You are entitled to their opinion and so are they. My OPINION is that their opinion carries more weight and deserves to be listened to based on what they have been through. I guess we can disagree.

While any political office holder should think before they speak, Sen. Herpin needs to learn something, and he needs to learn it fast: The Socialist mainstream media hates him, and they will use anything he says and try to turn it against him! And sadly, there are literally millions of gullible Americans who cling to every word that hateful media spews. What Holmes did in Aurora is illegal, because it is illegal to harm or kill anyone with a gun, a knife, or one's bare hands, if the act is not in self defense. The act Holmes committed was not in self defense. I say it does not matter if it was a 2, 100, or 1 million round magazine, and whether it is prone to jamming or not. If it was used to harm innocent people, punish the perpetrator, and move on. But don't use it as an agenda to trash the 2nd Amendment, and do not use it as a move to trash a rookie politician's career. But of course, they will.