you da man!!! did you have the old url stashed somewhere? that is the page I was looking for!! Thanks.

I have only been a Decware fanboy for a smidge over a year. And believe it or not, the Decware's are the first tube amps I've ever owned in over 30 years in the hobby!! Started with the Rachael, kinda wish I'd kept it to be honest, and now have a Torii III w/Jupiters. I'm just starting into the rolling a bit... and I am so pleased and impressed with how it sounds & the synergy with two of the 6 pairs of speakers I own right now, I don't see me taking a chance on messing this sonic nirvana up for a good long while. Heard all the amps at the fest... maybe a MA someday, not likely a IV... but the III is get'n er done in a big way right now....

No, I didn't have the URL saved. That link is to the Internet Archive (aka "the Wayback Machine"), which you can use to check on the content of a particular URL-- in this case the Torii page-- in its earlier incarnations.

I've had my MKIII for about 9 months now. I am nowhere near completely understanding what it has to offer, and not completely convinced that it (and its tubes) are through "cooking." I've never upgraded or sold a piece of gear unless I was convinced that I had heard all that it had to offer and I wanted still more than that. The MKIII is now comparable in most ways to its predecessor on my rack-- a 300B (push pull, not SE) unit putting out about the same watts. And that's with minimal tube rolling and other experimentation. I feel confident that with a bit more tweaking it will easily best its (more expensive) predecessor.

Once I feel that I completely "grok" the MkIII, I will need to read up on the MKIV to understand the differences well enough to determine (read: "guess") whether the upgrade would move me further down the road (in terms of my preferences), or whether I will stand pat.

I think a big part of the Torii MKIII beauty is how good it sounds stock, AND how well it adapts to adjustments. It is a tribute to its very revealing and refined design path and implementation.

I have some Jupiters to put in, but have been loving the Russian PIO K40Y-9s so much I just can't open it up and do it. I got the PIOs through a conversation with Ron @ cryoset. The Russian caps are probably not better than the Jupiters (I love the Jupiter change in my Zstage...night and day to me from the auricaps), but they were notably better than the then standard Wimas....Brought out the natural qualities of voice, instruments and space...made the Wimas sound a bit "electronic" by comparison. So "organic" applies.

I am with Lon...this amp is so good at adapting to synergistic beauty...different cables, components, feet, tweaks....but wow, unlike Lon who finds tubes he likes and tends to "stick" a while (generally not exactly stock), I love to tube roll. With enough variations of each type, the options for refinement in different ways are amazing. As OC says about the KT77, I can say about different EL34s I have once I match them up with the right complimentary tubes. Not that I would not love the KT77 too, I probably would, just that the subtle sound values of this amp are really impressive without stepping out very far. Five tube sets represent a load of refinement options! But this is a big part of the fun for me...playing with variations of great keeps me excited and loving the music.

Anyway...with logical steps, the Torii MKIII is far more than one amp...far more...It is really good enough to be many variations of "great" once your basic cabling, source, power/EMF/RFI cleaning, room and speakers are tuned enough to reveal the revelation the amp can offer.

The thing that keeps amazing me is that my sound was off the charts good within a couple months of the Torii MkIII forcing refining of system and room, but as I go forward, it keeps getting MORE off the charts with this or that little change or adaptation...this or that cable rolling...foot placement, electronic refinements...tubes...whatever!

That said. I am really excited to play with whatever my coming MkIV offers. No doubt it will end up a "different" amp than the stock one, and I can't wait to see what that is in my room, and to my tastes!

Will the MkIII or the MkIV end up as the main system amp...I am betting on the MkIV, but who knows...my MkIII is gorgeous!