I was always told as a child that i had an AmerIndian ancestor. A medicine man. I believed it until i was in high school and i began asking questions. I asked my surviving grandparents to give me some proof or point me in the direction to find the proof. I asked them if they ever met the indian. Nothing. No pictures, no birth records, no licenses, no eyewitness accounts, there was absolutely nothing. I started creating a family tree and all the names were white all the way back from both sides until the family was traced back to Europe and then back even further. No Indian anywhere. It was a myth that just stuck around a bit too long. Usually that is the same story with most people who try to check their hidden "indian" relative, turns out to be nothing more than a hoax.

Absolutely correct, and for all many of us know, we could also have some admixture several generations back.

I guess the difference is that now I know that she has some admixture. It bugs me and will until I'm out.

So yes, logically, I should not let it bother me. There are differing opinions on this...some have said I'm a race-traitor. I can't take such an accusation too seriously. If that relative was full-blooded Native, that would be 3.1% non-White...certainly not a discernible amount.

I was really just looking for other opinions about whether she was White or not. I think she is. The answers vary. I suppose it would be better to have someone unanimously White. Those with genetic expertise should write up the answer on 'what is White'. There are two angles; cultural and genetic.

Hello Living Celt
I have been reading this thread and overall I find it revolting for

a) accusations of calling you a "traitor" based on this small and possibly true fact about your girlfriend's heritage. that simply just does not appear mature and open-minded about other whites in general.
Like you said, youre not dating Aunt-Jemima here!!!

b)You are waddling on an issue that would make ANY woman want to kick you to the curb. WN or not. Think about it. If she knew you felt this way about her it would crush her!

c) If you dont want to marry her for the fact of an American-Indian ancestor in the far off distance then you need to stop exploiting her.
This is only hurting yourself. What happened to dignity and self-respect?

d) Many American Indians back then were shunned and discussing tribal blood and the like was something that just was not talked about back then. The possible "hoax" of someone having these genes may have come from this. Whether its confirmed or not in an online family tree, some of them back then may have started to cover up their true heritage of having Indian blood. Some claims may be true, and some may be false.

f) Alcoholism may run rampant in them but for what reasons? Rather than blaming them for this fact completely, what also contributed to this in their destroyed culture. Land was taken away from them and that was strongly tied to their identity as a culture and clan of people. What did the US Govt give them in return? Limited reservations, no animals to hunt and kill but given alcohol and guns.
When identity is taken away from a clan of people and given alcohol then one must wonder what the results will be.
These are just the facts. Ive done research on this and in no way am I favoring either race for what happened. They are just as responsible for their state of being.

I think we all need to wake up and realize that the very same thing is happening to whites from drug and alcohol abuse.

e) If whites continue to nit-pick on a far off distant Indian relative in a potential mate's life, then how are we to survive as a race?
Maybe women like your girlfriend with a smidget of non-white blood should be fed to the wolves or better yet, put in the breeding pit with the blacks and mexicans. (sorry this thread really ticked me off)

f) If you love this girl and you lose her because of your own shortsightedness, it may be something you will regret for a long time.
How does she make you feel? As someone said, if you cant let go of something like this, the relationship is doomed.

And lastly, one other thought is, how many pure white women are fertile vs. white women with a far off speck of non-white blood?
If they have a TINY speck of non-white blood in their family tree are they worthless pieces of trash?
White survival is the goal. We have to survive first before we can thrive again.

I just want to say that I agree with pretty much everything CindyMarie said in this post, right from the fact that if you dump her you might 'throw her to the wolves', through my disappointment about miniscule admixture is being treated (despite the fact that average ancient admixture is greater than that), to the fact that if you love her, you will regret breaking it off for such a reason.

Listen to this smart woman!

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Originally Posted by CindyMarie

Hello Living Celt
I have been reading this thread and overall I find it revolting for

a) accusations of calling you a "traitor" based on this small and possibly true fact about your girlfriend's heritage. that simply just does not appear mature and open-minded about other whites in general.
Like you said, youre not dating Aunt-Jemima here!!!

b)You are waddling on an issue that would make ANY woman want to kick you to the curb. WN or not. Think about it. If she knew you felt this way about her it would crush her!

c) If you dont want to marry her for the fact of an American-Indian ancestor in the far off distance then you need to stop exploiting her.
This is only hurting yourself. What happened to dignity and self-respect?

d) Many American Indians back then were shunned and discussing tribal blood and the like was something that just was not talked about back then. The possible "hoax" of someone having these genes may have come from this. Whether its confirmed or not in an online family tree, some of them back then may have started to cover up their true heritage of having Indian blood. Some claims may be true, and some may be false.

f) Alcoholism may run rampant in them but for what reasons? Rather than blaming them for this fact completely, what also contributed to this in their destroyed culture. Land was taken away from them and that was strongly tied to their identity as a culture and clan of people. What did the US Govt give them in return? Limited reservations, no animals to hunt and kill but given alcohol and guns.
When identity is taken away from a clan of people and given alcohol then one must wonder what the results will be.
These are just the facts. Ive done research on this and in no way am I favoring either race for what happened. They are just as responsible for their state of being.

I think we all need to wake up and realize that the very same thing is happening to whites from drug and alcohol abuse.

e) If whites continue to nit-pick on a far off distant Indian relative in a potential mate's life, then how are we to survive as a race?
Maybe women like your girlfriend with a smidget of non-white blood should be fed to the wolves or better yet, put in the breeding pit with the blacks and mexicans. (sorry this thread really ticked me off)

f) If you love this girl and you lose her because of your own shortsightedness, it may be something you will regret for a long time.
How does she make you feel? As someone said, if you cant let go of something like this, the relationship is doomed.

And lastly, one other thought is, how many pure white women are fertile vs. white women with a far off speck of non-white blood?
If they have a TINY speck of non-white blood in their family tree are they worthless pieces of trash?
White survival is the goal. We have to survive first before we can thrive again.

Hello Living Celt
I have been reading this thread and overall I find it revolting for

a) accusations of calling you a "traitor" based on this small and possibly true fact about your girlfriend's heritage. that simply just does not appear mature and open-minded about other whites in general.
Like you said, youre not dating Aunt-Jemima here!!!

b)You are waddling on an issue that would make ANY woman want to kick you to the curb. WN or not. Think about it. If she knew you felt this way about her it would crush her!

c) If you dont want to marry her for the fact of an American-Indian ancestor in the far off distance then you need to stop exploiting her.
This is only hurting yourself. What happened to dignity and self-respect?

d) Many American Indians back then were shunned and discussing tribal blood and the like was something that just was not talked about back then. The possible "hoax" of someone having these genes may have come from this. Whether its confirmed or not in an online family tree, some of them back then may have started to cover up their true heritage of having Indian blood. Some claims may be true, and some may be false.

f) Alcoholism may run rampant in them but for what reasons? Rather than blaming them for this fact completely, what also contributed to this in their destroyed culture. Land was taken away from them and that was strongly tied to their identity as a culture and clan of people. What did the US Govt give them in return? Limited reservations, no animals to hunt and kill but given alcohol and guns.
When identity is taken away from a clan of people and given alcohol then one must wonder what the results will be.
These are just the facts. Ive done research on this and in no way am I favoring either race for what happened. They are just as responsible for their state of being.

I think we all need to wake up and realize that the very same thing is happening to whites from drug and alcohol abuse.

e) If whites continue to nit-pick on a far off distant Indian relative in a potential mate's life, then how are we to survive as a race?
Maybe women like your girlfriend with a smidget of non-white blood should be fed to the wolves or better yet, put in the breeding pit with the blacks and mexicans. (sorry this thread really ticked me off)

f) If you love this girl and you lose her because of your own shortsightedness, it may be something you will regret for a long time.
How does she make you feel? As someone said, if you cant let go of something like this, the relationship is doomed.

And lastly, one other thought is, how many pure white women are fertile vs. white women with a far off speck of non-white blood?
If they have a TINY speck of non-white blood in their family tree are they worthless pieces of trash?
White survival is the goal. We have to survive first before we can thrive again.

Cindy

If I was to learn that a man I was interested in had a great great grandparent who was non-white, I would move on. It's because I feel that a great great grandparent is a recent ancestor, not a distant ancestor. A distant ancestor would be several greats, not two.

At the same time, I don't think that this hypothetical guy would have to have children with a Mexican or black. I think there may be another white girl who wouldn't be bothered by the recent non-white ancestor so his offspring would be even whiter than he was. However, being uncomfortable with it personally, I wouldn't be the right woman for him.

The OP came here saying he was uncomfortable with it and asking advice. I could only give him advice based on what I would do in a similar situation.

If I was to learn that a man I was interested in had a great great grandparent who was non-white, I would move on. It's because I feel that a great great grandparent is a recent ancestor, not a distant ancestor. A distant ancestor would be several greats, not two. At the same time, I don't think that this hypothetical guy would have to have children with a Mexican or black. I think there may be another white girl who wouldn't be bothered by the recent non-white ancestor so his offspring would be even whiter than he was. However, being uncomfortable with it personally, I wouldn't be the right woman for him.

The OP came here saying he was uncomfortable with it and asking advice. I could only give him advice based on what I would do in a similar situation.

...and rightly so.
I believe us females are biologically more discerning in their mates than males. Im not saying they dont have discernment either, just that females generally are moreso than males.
True, he did come in here asking for advice and I only am providing some objective points on the issue which I felt needed to be said.
I did admit that some of the things said in the thread were upsetting but that's my deal. I felt some of the remarks took away from what he was really asking for in terms of support. In no way was my post intended to flame or attack anyone personally.
I am confident he will do what is right and what makes him happy and doing so with honor and pride for all whom are considered.

Life is a journey and finding a mate can be a treacherous ordeal in this world.

There has been rumor in my famly that my great-great grandmother was a full blooded Cherokee. I signed up for Ancestry.com, found several records of her, each one saying RACE: WHITE.

I had similar thing happen. Supposedly one of my great-great-great grandmothers was an Indian. I looked her up and she was born in Germany. No Indians in Germany! Then I found a third cousin who had been researching the family for many years and his response was "There ain't no damned Indians." I swear people must make this Indian stuff up. BTW, that wasn't the only family myth I debunked. My grandfather claimed we were related to one prominent local family. I checked it out nine ways to Sunday and proved beyond doubt that it wasn't true. A person really has to be careful with these family rumors - both good and bad.

a) I would be the last person to date a non-White. That's why even the news of non-White blood, small as it may be, is bothering me. There is no way I could have detected it. I am taking it as fact that there is an Indian in the line since and they claim to have done the research...not just a legend.

b) I have thought about it. I do care about her. I'm not going to crush her over something I'm not 100% on; like I said, I think she's White and I can't dump her over this. I fear that it will get messy if it ever gets too serious..

c) I do care about her and the relationship is not going to lead to marriage.

d) They claim to have done the research. It's hard for me to confirm without seeming too nosy about this subject.

e) Yes, the Indians have been shafted, but that's not my concern. She is not fresh off a reservation.

f) In a case like this, White breeding will reduce such an ancestor to noise in the genes. Still, I agree with principle to breed Whites with Whites and avoid any admixture.

I'm sure there is potential for SFers to find out much farther along about a similar situation. The lesson here is to ask about the family tree as early as possible and close it off quickly & cleanly if it's not to your liking. In general, anyone here could find themselves to be 1/32nd after doing the research for the first time. Not a comfortable thought.

Then she's not white, and your a race traitor for dating someone you now know has non-white ancestry.

I would suggest that you break up with her and find a white woman, instead of a mongrel with distant indian ancestry. Would you really want to have children with her knowing your children's ancestry would always lead back to a bunch of american indians in someway or another regardless of how far back the ancestry is?

If this woman really does have indian ancestry and you have children with her, then as far as I am concerned you would be a race mixer and your children while they may look white their genetics would be mixed. Just because you look white does not mean you are completely ancestrally European.

People should really checkout the ancestry of a person they are interested in before they get in a serious relationship.

This is a ridiculous bit of crap advice. You honestly don't understand enough about genes and DNA or racial types. Supposing that Living Celt's girlfriend DOES have some little Amerindian blood, this is not in any way a reflection on her being white. How many white blonde-blue eyed people have a non-white ancestor? There are very many. That ancestor is distant and her white genes have dominated her as a white person.

How can you be sure that you have someone in your ancestry that isn't white?

My advice is to not worry too much over this one far back ancestor in your girlfriend's family heritage. A single distant non-white ancestor's genes and DNA fades and disappears through the generations.A white person can have a small amount of different race in their genetics but if it's small then it'll dilute even more. I also doubt there's anything in her but that's my opinion. You've found someone you care about and follow your heart, not listen to paranoid fears. It's not as if she's half of half. Don't let something special pass you by.