Monday, February 12, 2018

After a couple of years of administating the facebook group "literal Fundamental Creationists" I have collected notes and links of added information. I focused on youtube links that were not on my normal channels and things I did not normally access. Enjoy!

e coli
by ikester7579
A_e_coliI was debating an atheist the other
day and they left a link to a site where they were doing a long-term
experiment. He said that because they were able to get 50,000
generations out of E coli, that proved evolution. In which I responded:
You still don’t get it. After 50,000 generations was the E coli still E
coli? Of course he knew where I was going with this and refused to
address the question.
Ignoring that evolution always misses steps
to actually proving itself does not make it true. There is a reason
that a person must first understand that there are no absolutes before
they can understand evolution. The reality of believing there are no
absolutes means truth becomes a huge grey area. And anyone can take an
idea like evolution and make it look true without it actually being
true.
The other problem associated with this, is that atheists
like to make micro and macro evolution sound like the same thing. Or
that micro to infinity proves macro. The problem with this logic is 2
fold.
If they are one in the same, why give them different names?
Claiming micro to infinity makes macro evolution leaves out one very
important step. And that is to know if there are limitations to micro
evolution that would keep it from equaling macro evolution. Because
unless this can be tested and observed a huge assumption is being made
that micro will = macro with no problems. That’s not science.
Assuming with no observation leaves a huge door open to be proven wrong.

One of the forefathers of the megachurch movement endorses a pro evolution ministry.
""A wise, constructive rapprochement between faith and science is one
of the world’s urgent needs, and this need will only intensify as the
global era raises a host of new ethical issues. Few people have the
expertise, wisdom, and prestige to make such a contribution. I welcome
BioLogos warmly.
" - Dr. Os Guinness, Author and Social Critic - See more at:
https://biologos.org/#sthash.cfOmWGt6.dpuf

RICHARD DAWKINS MAKES ANOTHER BLUNDER IN HIS DEFENSE OF FAIRY TALES (Friday Church News Notes, November 13, 2015, www.wayoflife.org,
fbns@wayoflife.org, 866-295-4143) - The following is excerpted from
“Richard Dawkins Chides a Real Scientist,” Ken Ham, Answers in Genesis,
Nov. 2, 2015: “On CNN, November 1, TV host Fareed Zakaria interviewed
atheist/religious zealot Richard Dawkins. And no surprise, Dawkins, in
his usual disparaging style, derided anyone who believes God created the
universe and all life and who reject the fairy-tale belief that all
life arose by natural processes. Dawkins particularly disparaged Dr. Ben
Carson, running for US President. In this interview, Dawkins made the
false claim (that he’s made many times) that ‘evolution is the bedrock
of biology and biology is the bedrock of medicine.’ He went on to say
this about Dr. Carson: ‘He clearly doesn’t understand the fundamental
theorem of his own subject. That is a terrible indictment.’ Actually, by
making such an ignorant and nonsensical statement, Dawkins is
disproving his own accusation! Obviously, Dr. Carson didn’t need to
believe in evolution to become a world-renowned pediatric neurosurgeon
with sophisticated skills at age 33, receive 67 honorary doctorate
degrees, separate conjoined twins, become a member of the Alpha Honor
Medical Society, be named to the Horatio Alger Society of Distinguished
Americans, be picked by Time magazine as one of the nation's 20 foremost
physicians and scientists, for the Library of Congress to select him as
one of 89 ‘Living Legends’ ... along with many other accomplishments.
How does that impressive list line up with what Richard Dawkins has
accomplished in this world? And if Dr. Carson can achieve all these
accomplishments without believing in evolution, what then does evolution
have to do with medicine? As I challenged TV’s Bill Nye ‘the Science
Guy’ (and I have also challenged Dawkins), name one technological
advancement (including one medical advancement) that could not have come
about without a belief in evolution? Well, there are no such examples.
Evolution is not the ‘bedrock’ of biology or medicine! Evolution is a
fairy tale, akin to Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs!”https://www.wayoflife.org/

So
it is my theory that in extension to the inclusion of evolution into
Christian theology the doctrine of atonement will suffer. The reason
is that an old earth means that there was death before the Fall making
death not the result of Man's sin, and blood not a real means of atoning
for that sin. Therefore evolutionary "christians" will want to veer
away from the the literal blood propitiation of our sins.
Tonight I
was looking through a systematic theology. "God, Man & Salvation" a
"biblical theology" of 3 Nazerene denomination theologians W.T.
Purkiser, Richard S. Taylor, and Willard H. Taylor.
I noticed this....
Creation
"While the account of creation in the bible is not mythological,
neither is it intended to be cosmological or scientific. It is not
designed to answer the question "Where did the world come from?'" pg. 56
"Wiley wrote: The best Hebrew Exegesis has never regarded the days of
genesis as solar days but as day periods of indefinite duratin..." pg 58
Atonement
"and to the Romans He writes that God put forward (proetheto) Christ
'as an expiation by his blood' 3:25;cf. 1 John 2:2." page 358
"Death in mankind's history thus stands as the symbol of the tragic alienation between God and man because of sin." pg. 389
"Other interpretative factors are part of the meaning of the cross, but
in this case Christ experience of death paradoxically declares that
through death we can be victorious. It has been said that "the death of
Christ transforms our thinking about death," Indeed it transforms our
understanding of our existence;" 389
"Paul and the author of Hebrews
emphasized that Christ acted in obedience to God's demands and in doing
so the benefits accrued to mankind. In the representative deed of the
cross Christ's obedience provided the possibility of our obedience and
salvation." pg. 389
"The second Adam by obedience regained for us
what was lost by the first Adam. Our obedience to the obedient son is
the hope of our salvation." pg. 391
"Expiation is not directed
chiefly toward the offended party. Rather it is directed towards that
which has caused the break down in relationship" pg. 396 "According to
these interpreters hilastrerion is not an act of placating an angry
wrathful deity but an act of covering sin or annulling it's guilt." pg
397
Now for those new to theology these quotes seem fine with just a little confusion. However the devil is in the details!
So the theologians deny the scientific accuracy of genesis 1 and assume the day is ok with old earth.
As I stated blood and death are a part of nature within evolution.
So there is nothing special to it and it makes you wonder why sin
requires death or why death has the ability to reconcile God and man's
relationship.
Bible believing evangelical scholars across the
spectrum have come to deny "expiation" as the proper translation in
Romans 3:25 and 1 John 2:2
Rom. 3:25 whom God hath set forth to be a
propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness
for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of
God;"
1 John 2:2 and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
Propitiation appeases the wrath of God. Does God have wrath?
Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all
ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in
unrighteousness; "
Ephesians 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were
dead in trespasses and sins; 2 wherein in time past ye walked according
to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of
the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: 3
among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts
of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and
were by nature the children of wrath, even as others."
Revelation
6:16 and said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from
the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the
Lamb: 17 for the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able
to stand?"
So then death is not a part of nature. Death is the penalty of sin and a sign of God's wrath!
Which is that which exalts the power of his grace!
Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and
death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have
sinned: 13 (for until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not
imputed when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to
Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of
Adam’s transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. 15 But
not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence
of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace,
which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. 16 And not
as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by
one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto
justification. 17 For if by one man’s offence death reigned by one; much
more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of
righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) 18 Therefore as
by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even
so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto
justification of life. 19 For as by one man’s disobedience many were
made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
BTW, In Jesus obedience we have our imputed righteousness. We are not
righteous on our own merits, we are righteous on Christ alone. And it
is in that imputed righteousness that we can live for Christ without
dead religion but in the spirit.
Romans 4: 6 Even as David also
describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth
righteousness without works, 7 saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities
are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. 8 Blessed is the man to whom
the Lord will not impute sin.
Romans 3:21 But now the
righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by
the law and the prophets; 22 even the righteousness of God which is by
faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there
is no difference: 23 for all have sinned, and come short of the glory
of God; 24 being justified freely by his grace through the redemption
that is in Christ Jesus:
Phil. 3:8 Yea doubtless, and I count all
things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my
Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them
but dung, that I may win Christ, 9 and be found in him, not having mine
own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the
faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: 10 that I
may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of
his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; 11 if by any
means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead. 12 Not as though
I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow
after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of
Christ Jesus. 13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but
this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and
reaching forth unto those things which are before, 14 I press toward the
mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
Galatians 2:15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the
Gentiles, 16 knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the
law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus
Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by
the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be
justified. 17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we
ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of
sin? God forbid. 18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I
make myself a transgressor. 19 For I through the law am dead to the
law, that I might live unto God. 20 I am crucified with Christ:
nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life
which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who
loved me, and gave himself for me. 21 I do not frustrate the grace of
God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
So we are saved by grace and not by law. The blood is where we get
our grace and it has to propitiate the wrath of God, because we are
sinners and our obedience is "dung" only his blood counts. But if blood
does not count salvation does not work.

In his review of Dennis Sewell's book The Political Gene, creation
scientist and author Dr. Jerry Bergman mentions one of the most
deplorable events in evolutionary history – the story of Ota Benga. A
pygmy from the Congo, Benga attracted a great deal of attention when he
was put on display at the Bronx Zoo. He eventually ended his life by
firing a bullet into his heart in 1916.
Promotional photo of Ota Benga on display at the Bronx Zoo in 1906. Ten years later he committed suicide
at the age of 32.Ota Benga and an orangutan of similar height were
placed inside a locked cage. Quite naturally, the display had people
asking if Ota Benga was a monkey or a man. The zookeeper answered that
he was a transitional form between man and monkey – the missing link.
Sewell's book points out that evolutionists defended the display by
noting that evolution is taught in the school textbooks and is, quote,
"no more debatable than the multiplication table."

African American clergymen complained to zoo officials about the
exhibit, saying, "The Darwinian theory is absolutely opposed to
Christianity, and a public demonstration in its favor should not be
permitted." But the New York Times disagreed, saying: "We do not quite
understand all the emotion which others are expressing in the matter. It
is absurd to … moan over the imagined humiliation and degradation Benga
is suffering. The pygmies ... are very low in the human scale…"
The tragic story of Ota Benga clearly reveals the stark contrast between
those who follow Christ and those who follow Darwin. Whose side are you
on?

rom CMI
Did Noah need oxygen above the mountains?
Ceinturion, wikimedia commons
HuibersArk
The replica ark that Dutchman Johan Huibers built.
by Don Batten
Question: If mountain climbers need oxygen tanks to climb Mount
Everest, how were Noah, his family, and the animals able to breathe on
the Ark when they were above the mountains (‘ ... and the mountains were
covered.’, Genesis 7:20)?
Answer: This question presupposes that
Mount Everest was the height it is now (8,848 m = 29,028 ft), and that
the air pressure would not have changed at that height above normal sea
level with the addition of the flood water.
Mount Everest was
not the height it is now during the Flood. Earth’s highest mountains
have fossils of sea creatures at their tops, showing they were once
under the sea. The possibilities are that the sea rose to cover the
mountains, or the mountains were once under the sea and have since risen
out of the sea, or a combination of the two.
Many creationist
scientists think that mountains such as the Himalayas were probably
built by catastrophic movement of the earth’s continental plates during
and after the Flood (see Q&A: Plate Tectonics). Measurements
indicate that the Himalayas are still rising. The rate of rise now
measured is just the remnant of the processes that occurred much faster
in the past.
Some mountains could have existed before the Flood, but none like the current Himalayas, Alps, or Andes in height.
Mountain building occurred as a part of the geologic processes that
deepened the oceans to take the waters off the land towards the end of
the Flood. Some mountains could have existed before the Flood, but none
like the current Himalayas, Alps, or Andes in height. In any case, there
is only enough water on all the earth to cover mountains about 3 km (2
miles) high, if all the ocean basins were raised. So, if the waters were
not 9 km deep, but much less, the question is no longer an issue.
Even if the flood waters were 9 km deep, would Noah and company have had trouble breathing?
Absolutely not. Air pressure is caused by the weight of air above the
point where the pressure is being experienced. If the water was 9
kilometres deep, then the air that was in that 9 kilometres deep volume
of what was atmosphere would have been pushed out and would then have
sat above the water at 9 kilometers above the earth’s former surface.
However, if we assume the worst case scenario of the radius of the
earth increasing by 9 km due to the water, the surface area of the earth
plus water would have been greater than the earth so that the weight of
air would have been spread over a bigger area so that the pressure
would have been less.
How much would the air pressure have been
reduced? Less than 0.3%. This is equivalent to standing on top of a 30-m
(100-ft) high building at sea level! There would also have been a
negligible effect on the pressure due to changes in the force of gravity
(which affects the weight of the air).
It is certain, therefore, that those on the Ark would have had no trouble breathing—without oxygen tanks.

Similarly, Mary Baker Eddy and a long series of cult leaders have also
claimed this. However, they had claimed that Scripture couldn’t be
understood as it appeared. Why not? Because Scripture is allegorical!
Instead, only they had the key to understand the Scriptures. Thus, these
leaders effectively built a wall between the Scriptures and the
faithful.
Biologos has done the same thing. They too have built
an insurmountable wall between Scripture and the Christian by claiming
Genesis 1-11 to be allegorical and non-historical. Why have they done
this? Because if Genesis is not historical, then they have succeeded in
making room for evolution in a Bible that can no longer contradict its
claims.
However, to remove the historical context is also to
remove any clarity about interpretation. Perhaps even worse, denying the
historicity of Genesis contradicts the rest of the Bible.
There
are many evidences that the Bible regards Genesis as historical. The
various genealogies extending back to Adam attest to its historicity.
Even the words of Jesus:
• Matthew 19:4-6 (ESV) He answered,
“Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them
male and female, and said, ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and
his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one
flesh’? So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has
[historically] joined together, let not man separate.”
Augustine warned about the possible effect of the pronunciations of the pundits of science of his day upon the faithful:
• Some of the weaker brothers and sisters, however, are in danger of
going astray more seriously when they hear these godless people holding
forth expertly and fluently on the “music of the spheres,” or on any
questions you care to mention about the elements of this cosmos. They
wilt and lose heart . . . and can scarcely bring themselves to touch the
volumes [Scripture] they should be devouring with delight . . .
[because] they have no time to be still (Psalm 46:11), and to see how
sweet the Lord is (Psalm 34:8). And that is why they are too lazy to use
the authority they have received from the Lord . . . . (Augustine
2002b, I.20.24).
Daniel Mann
UNDERSTANDING CREATION, JONAH, JOB, AND THE FLOOD AS HISTORY
Is the Bible historical or is it spiritual allegory? Of course, parts of the Bible are history, while
other parts are not. So then, how can we determine the historical from
the non-historical? Well, if we take the Bible seriously, we try to
determine how the Bible regards it various writings. We compare
Scripture with Scripture.

Let’s start with the Book of Jonah. Is it historical? Did a fish
actually swallow Jonah and vomit him up on a beach after three days? One
way to answer this question is to see how Jesus answered it. Evidently,
Jesus regarded Jonah as history:
• He answered, "A wicked and
adulterous generation asks for a miraculous sign! But none will be given
it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. For as Jonah was three days
and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be
three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. The men of
Nineveh will stand up at the judgment with this generation and condemn
it; for they repented at the preaching of Jonah, and now one greater
than Jonah is here.” (Matthew 12:39-41; Mat 16:4; Luke 11:29-30)
Perhaps Jesus was referring to Jonah as an allegory? This doesn’t seem
possible. If Jesus believed that Jonah had not actually been three days
in a fish, then, to maintain the parallel, He didn’t believe that He too
would actually be three days “in the heart of the earth.”
Besides, Jesus doesn’t say, “According to the tale, Jonah was three days
and three nights in the belly of a huge fish.” Instead, He speaks as if
this actually happened.
Jesus also warned Israel that “Nineveh
will stand up at the judgment” of them. However, if all knew that Jonah
was simply parabolic or allegorical, they would have scorned Jesus: “As
it is fiction that Nineveh repented, so too is it fiction that Nineveh
‘will stand in judgment.’”
However, there was no such retort, as
appropriate as this retort would have been had Jonah been regarded as a
mere allegory or parable. Therefore, it seems that even the scholars at
Jesus’ time had also regarded Jonah as history.
Jesus regarded
the Book of Jonah as history. If we are followers of Jesus, then we are
constrained to also be followers of His thinking and reasoning. He
regarded Scripture as the undefiled Word of God (Matthew 5:16-18) and
submitted to it in all regards. Quoting Deuteronomy 8, He responded to
Satan:
• “Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God." (Matthew 4:4)
This means that we too must live by “every word” and to understand them
as Jesus did. If He regarded the first several chapters of Genesis as
history – and we find that the Apostles also regarded these chapters as
history – then we too are constrained to regard them as history.
How did Jesus regard the Creation Account? As historical? Evidently! He
based His teaching on marriage and divorce on the historicity of
Genesis 1 and 2:
• "Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the
beginning the Creator 'made them male and female' [Gen. 1:26-27] and
said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be
united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh' [Gen. 2:24]? So
they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together,
let man not separate." (Matthew 19:4-6)
Jesus’ entire argument is based upon the history of God’s work:
• He created them,
• He made them one flesh,
• And “joined [them] together.”
If God had only figuratively (not historically) created and joined
them, then we would have every right to actually divorce as long as we
don’t figuratively divorce. Therefore, one who is contemplating divorce
could reason that, “I’ll divorce my wife, but I’ll remain married to her
figuratively, in my heart.” Of course, this is absurd, but this is
because a non-historical understanding of Jesus’ words is also absurd.
Instead, Jesus’ clear intent was to demonstrate that divorce is wrong
and that the Pharisees were wrong for justifying divorce.
Jesus
built His case on the common understanding that Genesis is history. If
Genesis hadn’t been widely regarded as history, the Pharisees could
easily have retorted, “Well, God didn’t actually join them together, so
we are not prohibited from actually divorcing our wives!” in which case,
Jesus’ argument would have completely collapsed.
This is not to
deny that Genesis 1 and 2 are difficult to interpret. However, if we
start with the conclusion that these chapters are not history – and also
that the New Testament’s interpretation of them shouldn’t guide our
interpretation (Scripture interpreting Scripture) - then we consequently
reject our most important interpretive guidelines and constraints.
Operating with this interpretive “freedom,” the door is opened to just
about any interpretation we’d like to paste on Genesis.
Did Paul
regard these chapters as teaching history (even if they use poetry and
theology)? Certainly, he understood that Adam was actually and
historically created first (1 Cor. 11:8-9), that it was the woman who
had been deceived (1 Timothy 2:13-14, referring to Genesis 3 as
history), and that Jesus was the Second Adam (1 Cor. 15:22). Had Adam
been a myth, then this would suggest that Jesus also had been a myth.
Is it important to know that Genesis teaches history? Of course, not
only is this question critical to interpretation, it is also critical to
theology. Why? History and theology are inseparable. If we take away
history, we also take away the theology based upon it. If Jesus hadn’t
historically died on the Cross, we could have no theology of the Cross
and of redemption. If Adam and Eve hadn’t actually rebelled against God
causing the Fall, then God’s evolutionary program of creation would have
been the problem and not our rebellion, undermining the theology of the
entire Bible.
Theistic evolutionists argue that it is only
because they have been able to “reconcile” evolution with the Bible that
many educated “Christians” have remained in the Church. However, this
suggests that God prefers a watered-down faith to no faith at all.
However, this faulty answer reminds us of His Letter to the Church at
Laodicea:
• “‘I know your works: you are neither cold nor hot.
Would that you were either cold or hot! So, because you are lukewarm,
and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth. For you say, I
am rich, I have prospered, and I need nothing, not realizing that you
are wretched, pitiable, poor, blind, and naked.” (Revelation 3:15-17)
Is the Book of Job purely allegorical/figurative or is it also
historical? Again, to answer this question, we need to see how the Bible
itself answers this question. Once again, the Bible regards the Book of
Job as history:
• “Even if these three men--Noah, Daniel and
Job--were in it, they could save only themselves by their
righteousness,” declares the Sovereign LORD…”as surely as I live,
declares the Sovereign LORD, even if these three men were in it, they
could not save their own sons or daughters. They alone would be saved,
but the land would be desolate.” (Ezekiel 14:14-16)
God regarded Job as an actual, historical person, just as much as Daniel and Noah. James also regarded him as historical:
• As you know, we consider blessed those who have persevered. You have
heard of Job's perseverance and have seen what the Lord finally brought
about. The Lord is full of compassion and mercy. (James 5:11)
James understood that God’s mercy to Job was a clear demonstration of
the fact that “The Lord is full of compassion and mercy.” If the Book of
Job had not been a matter of history, then this allegory would not have
provided evidence of the mercy of God. Allegories do not provide
evidence but illustration.
Many deny the historicity of a
worldwide flood that had destroyed all mankind apart from Noah and his
family. However, this account and the subsequent commentary bear all the
signs of actual history:
• The waters prevailed above the
mountains, covering them fifteen cubits deep. And all flesh died that
moved on the earth, birds, livestock, beasts, all swarming creatures
that swarm on the earth, and all mankind. Everything on the dry land in
whose nostrils was the breath of life died. He blotted out every living
thing that was on the face of the ground, man and animals and creeping
things and birds of the heavens. They were blotted out from the earth.
Only Noah was left, and those who were with him in the ark. (Genesis
7:20-23)
How does the rest of the Bible regard the historicity
of this account? We have already seen that Ezekiel regarded Noah as a
real person. Jesus also regarded the account of the worldwide flood as
history:
• “For as were the days of Noah, so will be the coming
of the Son of Man. For as in those days before the flood they were
eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when
Noah entered the ark, and they were unaware until the flood came and
swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.” (Matthew
24:37-39; Luke 17:27)
If Noah was a mere allegory, then Jesus’
return was also nothing more than allegory. The Book of Hebrews also
regards Noah and the flood as history:
• By faith Noah, being
warned by God concerning events as yet unseen, in reverent fear
constructed an ark for the saving of his household. By this he condemned
the world and became an heir of the righteousness that comes by faith.
(Hebrews 11:7)
Hebrews upholds Noah as an exemplar of the faith.
Had this account been just a myth, “Noah” could not be upheld along with
Abraham, Isaac, and Moses.
Peter invokes Noah and the flood as
history and theology to prove that we must take seriously God’s promise
of a future judgment:
• For if God did not spare angels when they
sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to chains of gloomy
darkness to be kept until the judgment; if he did not spare the ancient
world, but preserved Noah, a herald of righteousness, with seven others,
when he brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly; if by turning
the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to ashes he condemned them to
extinction, making them an example of what is going to happen to the
ungodly…then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials, and to
keep the unrighteous under punishment until the day of judgment. (2
Peter 2:4-9)
Had these not been actual and historical events but
rather myths, Peter’s reasoning would have fallen apart. If these events
were merely empty myths about a judging God, then the future judgment
should also be regarded as a myth. However, Peter clearly believed that
these events really took place. He therefore concluded: “then the Lord
knows how to rescue the godly from trials, and to keep the unrighteous
under punishment until the day of judgment.” Peter couldn’t have
possibly drawn such a conclusion from myths.
An historical worldwide flood teaches important theological truths:
1. God judges.
2. God rescues those who are His.
3. We must become reconciled to Him and not to the philosophies of this day that offer their own variety of hope.
However, such theology is distasteful. Instead, many of today’s
“Christians” assuage their conscience with the belief that these are
just myths and that a loving God would never do such things to His
creation. However, we need only open our eyes to human history to
observe that our omnipotent God allows all manner of horrors to occur.
Let us therefore humble ourselves before the God of the Bible and walk in His light.

“Magicdirtism”
is a much superior and more descriptive term for what most people call
“evolution.” It is the idea that dirt did magic all by itself and turned
itself into people without the Creator God of the Bible. Evolutionists
use the term “evolution” to confuse the issue of what they really
think, and not allow people to comprehend how stupid the idea really
appears, if you think about it critically.
“Magicdirtism” is a
better term for the idea that dirt somehow did magic and turned itself
into people without a magician to do the magic. This avoids the
confusion that magicdirters create by using the term “evolution,” which
can be only change in species, and does not include abiogenesis." Ed garret

"Global warming is very much a creation-related issue. Mineral evidence
shows CO2 in the atmosphere before the Flood was about 15X greater than
today. Fossil plants show the avg global temp was about 10 warmer than
today, all of that warmth being at high latitudes and in the ocean.
I.e., the tropics weren’t hotter than today. The fossils also show that
the whole Earth was wetter and greener than today. In other words,
global warming happened in the pre-flood world, and it was a *good*
thing. So why should we fear it today? For details, see the ravings of a
creationist who thinks global warming is probably happening today …
again." http://creation.com/global-warming-facts-and-myths - Russ Humphreys

**The Hitler - Darwin - Evolution Parallel**
You'll have to click on the picture to see the whole thing. But it's well worth the read
Side note: Out of the nearly 25 years I have been doing this, I have
never see anyone make this comparison. And I am surprised I did not see
this before. I was debating the other day using this evidence and it
just clicked and I was like Dang. And you wonder why a lot of this stuff
was blamed on Christians? This was to throw us off of seeing the actual
truth. ~ Issac Bourne

Monday, February 5, 2018

Secular humanism is the religious word for what is more popularly called atheism. It includes materialism, naturalism, atheism, secularism, existentialism, ethical relativism, feminism, uniformitarianism, evolutionism, socialism and a host of subcategories with varying degrees according to the individual.
While I do believe there are many scientific evidences to combat these claims which I have written on this link.
http://biblesmack.blogspot.com/2015/11/bhs-biblical-historical-science-links.html

The fact remains that the most objective authority as well as the highest spiritual authority Is the Scriptures of the Holy Bible.
Therefore here are some good bible verse for any layperson confronting these views.

philosophy
colossians 2:8 Beware
lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the
tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after
Christ.

Scientism
2 timothy 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called: 21 which some professing have erred concerning the faith. learning science is not a sin.

Daniel 1:4children in whom was no blemish, but well favoured, and skilful in all wisdom, and cunning in knowledge, and understanding science, and such as had ability in them to stand in the king’s palace, and whom they might teach the learning and the tongue of the Chaldeans.

naturalism/uniformitarianism
2 peter 3:3 knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4 and saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. 5 For
this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the
heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the
water: 6 whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 7 but
the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in
store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of
ungodly men.

Atheism
psalm 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.They are corrupt, they have done abominable works,there is none that doeth good."

Existentialism)Acts 17:24 God
that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of
heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; 25 neither
is worshipped with men’s hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing
he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; 26 and
hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face
of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the
bounds of their habitation; 27 that they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: 28 for in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring. 29 Forasmuch
then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the
Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s
device. MaterialismHebrews 11:3 Through
faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so
that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Big bang1 Corinthians 15:40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. 41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.psalm 93:1 The Lord reigneth, he is clothed with majesty;the Lord is clothed with strength, wherewith he hath girded himself:the world also is stablished, that it cannot be moved.

Abiogenesisjeemiah 2:27 saying to a stock, Thou art my father;and to a stone, Thou hast brought me forth:for they have turned their back unto me,and not their face:but in the time of their trouble they will say,Arise, and save us.

EvolutionRomans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 and
changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to
corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping
things.1 Corinthians 15:39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds." Plants day 3Genesis 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. 12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 13 And the evening and the morning were the third day. Sea creatures and flying animals made from the water day 5Genesis 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. 21 And
God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which
the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged
fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. land creatures made from the earth day 6genesis 1::24 And
God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind,
cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and
it was so. 25 And
God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their
kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and
God saw that it was good.

man made from the earth and the breath of Godgenesis 1:26 And
God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let
them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the
air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every
creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. Dinosaurs with man (dragons, behemoth, leviathon, cock-a-trice)dragons

And I went out by night by the gate of the valley, even before the dragon
well, and to the dung port, and viewed the walls of Jerusalem, which
were broken down, and the gates thereof were consumed with fire.

Nebuchadrezzar the king of Babylon hath devoured me, he hath crushed me,
he hath made me an empty vessel, he hath swallowed me up like a dragon, he hath filled his belly with my delicates, he hath cast me out.

speak, and say, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against thee, Pharaoh king of Egypt, the great dragon that lieth in the midst of his rivers, which hath said, My river is mine own, and I have made it for myself.

and I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.

behemothjob 40:15 Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee;he eateth grass as an ox.16 Lo now, his strength is in his loins,and his force is in the navel of his belly.17 He moveth his tail like a cedar:the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.18 His bones are as strong pieces of brass;his bones are like bars of iron.19 He is the chief of the ways of God:he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him.20 Surely the mountains bring him forth food,where all the beasts of the field play.21 He lieth under the shady trees,in the covert of the reed, and fens.22 The shady trees cover him with their shadow;the willows of the brook compass him about.23 Behold, he drinketh up a river, and hasteth not:he trusteth that he can draw up Jordan into his mouth.24 He taketh it with his eyes:his nose pierceth through snares.

Leviathon

41:1 Canst thou draw out leviathan with an hook?or his tongue with a cord which thou lettest down?2 Canst thou put an hook into his nose?or bore his jaw through with a thorn?3 Will he make many supplications unto thee?will he speak soft words unto thee?4 Will he make a covenant with thee?wilt thou take him for a servant for ever?5 Wilt thou play with him as with a bird?or wilt thou bind him for thy maidens?6 Shall the companions make a banquet of him?shall they part him among the merchants?7 Canst thou fill his skin with barbed irons?or his head with fish spears?8 Lay thine hand upon him,remember the battle, do no more.9 Behold, the hope of him is in vain:shall not one be cast down even at the sight of him?10 None is so fierce that dare stir him up:who then is able to stand before me?11 Who hath prevented me, that I should repay him?whatsoever is under the whole heaven is mine.

12 I will not conceal his parts, nor his power,nor his comely proportion.13 Who can discover the face of his garment?or who can come to him with his double bridle?14 Who can open the doors of his face?his teeth are terrible round about.15 His scales are his pride,shut up together as with a close seal.16 One is so near to another, that no air can come between them.17 They are joined one to another,they stick together, that they cannot be sundered.18 By his neesings a light doth shine,and his eyes are like the eyelids of the morning.19 Out of his mouth go burning lamps,and sparks of fire leap out.20 Out of his nostrils goeth smoke,as out of a seething pot or caldron.21 His breath kindleth coals,and a flame goeth out of his mouth.22 In his neck remaineth strength,and sorrow is turned into joy before him.23 The flakes of his flesh are joined together:they are firm in themselves; they cannot be moved.24 His heart is as firm as a stone;yea, as hard as a piece of the nether millstone.

25 When he raiseth up himself, the mighty are afraid:by reason of breakings they purify themselves.26 The sword of him that layeth at him cannot hold:the spear, the dart, nor the habergeon.27 He esteemeth iron as straw,and brass as rotten wood.28 The arrow cannot make him flee:slingstones are turned with him into stubble.29 Darts are counted as stubble:he laugheth at the shaking of a spear.

30 Sharp stones are under him:he spreadeth sharp pointed things upon the mire.31 He maketh the deep to boil like a pot:he maketh the sea like a pot of ointment.32 He maketh a path to shine after him;one would think the deep to be hoary.33 Upon earth there is not his like,who is made without fear.34 He beholdeth all high things:he is a king over all the children of pride.

For, behold, I will send serpents, cockatrices, among you, which will not be charmed, and they shall bite you, saith the Lord.

Relativismromans 1:4 God
forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written,
That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome
when thou art judged. Genesis 3:5 for
God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be
opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.Deuteronomy 1:39 Moreover
your little ones, which ye said should be a prey, and your children,
which in that day had no knowledge between good and evil, they shall go
in thither, and unto them will I give it, and they shall possess it.

Romans 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. 10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death. 11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.

jonah 4:11 and
should not I spare Nineveh, that great city, wherein are more than
sixscore thousand persons that cannot discern between their right hand
and their left hand; and also much cattle?Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 and
changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to
corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping
things. 24 Wherefore
God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own
hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25 who
changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the
creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.Romans 2:14 For
when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things
contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto
themselves: 15 which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)

Secularism2 Peter 2:10 but chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities. 11 Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord. 12 But
these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak
evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in
their own corruption; 13 and shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you; 14 having
eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling
unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices;
cursed children: 15 which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness; 16 but was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man’s voice forbad the madness of the prophet.17 These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever. 18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error. 19 While
they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of
corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in
bondage. 20 For
if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the
knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled
therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the
beginningSelf esteem/psychology)
Romans 3:11 there is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. 12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. 13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: 14 whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: 15 their feet are swift to shed blood: 16 destruction and misery are in their ways: 17 and the way of peace have they not known: 18 there is no fear of God before their eyes. 19 Now
we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are
under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may
become guilty before God.

James 3:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: 14 but every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. 15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. 16 Do not err, my beloved brethren. 17 Every
good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from
the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of
turning. 18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.19 Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath: 20 for the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God. 21 Wherefore
lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive
with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls. 22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. 23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass: 24 for he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was. 25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

Ezekiel 18:2 What
mean ye, that ye use this proverb concerning the land of Israel,
saying, The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children’s teeth are
set on edge? 3 As I live, saith the Lord God, ye shall not have occasion any more to use this proverb in Israel. 4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.5 But if a man be just, and do that which is lawful and right, 6 and
hath not eaten upon the mountains, neither hath lifted up his eyes to
the idols of the house of Israel, neither hath defiled his neighbour’s
wife, neither hath come near to a menstruous woman, 7 and hath not oppressed any, but
hath restored to the debtor his pledge, hath spoiled none by violence,
hath given his bread to the hungry, and hath covered the naked with a
garment; 8 he that hath not given forth upon usury, neither hath taken any increase, that hath withdrawn his hand from iniquity, hath executed true judgment between man and man, 9 hath walked in my statutes, and hath kept my judgments, to deal truly; he is just, he shall surely live, saith the Lord God.

10 If he beget a son that is a robber, a shedder of blood, and that doeth the like to any one of these things, 11 and that doeth not any of those duties, but even hath eaten upon the mountains, and defiled his neighbour’s wife, 12 hath
oppressed the poor and needy, hath spoiled by violence, hath not
restored the pledge, and hath lifted up his eyes to the idols, hath
committed abomination, 13 hath
given forth upon usury, and hath taken increase: shall he then live? he
shall not live: he hath done all these abominations; he shall surely
die; his blood shall be upon him.

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For
what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God
sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin,
condemned sin in the flesh: 4 that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.9 But
ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of
God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is
none of his. 10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 But
if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you,
he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal
bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. 13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. 15 For
ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have
received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. 16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17 and if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 but made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
SocialismExodus 20:17