Beyond that, your general analytical ability isn't impressive in the least. You're so hung up on right vs left and the GOP out to get the left. You
seriously think there's no Republicans involved? Did you have your head stuck in the sand with all the sick crap surrounding Bush Sr during his time
in DC? None of this is about the left vs the right. It could be more the left right now as they've been in power but the issue is this crap pops up
all over the world no matter what side of the aisle.

Either way, you've refuted nothing. I understand to the naive and less experienced, they can't and won't believe something like this happens and
happens all over the place, that child sex trafficking and abuse is rampant among the powerful in governments globally. But that's not an argument.

Thankfully, I'm unconcerned with your measure of my analytical abilities. I'm not commenting on the universal question of whether people in power
abuse children. Please feel free to start a thread on that matter, but this thread is about #PizzaGate, which is quite transparently yet another
alt-right creation intended to generate reasons why their opponents should be imprisoned or worse.

You are of course welcome to go on lying about things, but it is quite outside of your capabilities to prevent people like me from refuting you.

You said I was referring to Republicans or the GOP and went on to refute my position as though that was the case. But it's not. Therefore, straw
man.

Re; far-right fascists:

Since I didn't say that all Republicans are fascist, all I need to do is point out one example of a fascist pro-Trump Republican to support my
argument. See: Richard Spencer. Whether you're too stupid to see it, or just deceptively engaged in the same ridiculousness as he, you are speaking
untruth.

Re; Russia and Trump:

Your lot has been celebrating Wikileaks DNC content as delivered by Russia for months.

Re; the rest:

Yes. You and those like you are essentially a bunch of lying partisans. Whether you're all a bunch of fascists as well can only be decided on a
case-by-case basis. But that you're lying? Here? As well as elsewhere? It's obvious. It'll be obvious to history. I don't expect to "convince" you.
I don't think you're engaged in any semblance of an honest conversation. I only hope to provide people reason to pause before they swallow your
propaganda.

You said I was referring to Republicans or the GOP and went on to refute my position as though that was the case. But it's not. Therefore, straw
man.

Re; far-right fascists:

Since I didn't say that all Republicans are fascist, all I need to do is point out one example of a fascist pro-Trump Republican to support my
argument. See: Richard Spencer. Whether you're too stupid to see it, or just deceptively engaged in the same ridiculousness as he, you are speaking
untruth.

Re; Russia and Trump:

Your lot has been celebrating Wikileaks DNC content as delivered by Russia for months.

Re; the rest:

Yes. You and those like you are essentially a bunch of lying partisans. Whether you're all a bunch of fascists as well can only be decided on a
case-by-case basis. But that you're lying? Here? As well as elsewhere? It's obvious. It'll be obvious to history. I don't expect to "convince" you.
I don't think you're engaged in any semblance of an honest conversation. I only hope to provide people reason to pause before they swallow your
propaganda.

Good day, sir. I've a Thanksgiving dinner to attend to.

No, you still don't understand what a straw man argument is. lol

WTF does Richard Spencer have to do with the official Trump cabinet and presidency? I'm sure I could dig up some black power/black panther figures
that support Obama. Are you going to cry foul about them too? Probably not. If you will, please take this opportunity to do so.

You know nothing about 'me and my lot', so you have no idea where I stand on any issue, really. And until someone can provide proof that Russia had
anything to do with the implosion of the DNC, then the facts stand: the DNC and HRC conspired against Bernie and on other issues regarding Clinton
corruption, and WikiLeaks simply brought it all into the open. Please, if you have hard, factual evidence to the contrary, then I'm sure that the NSA
would love to speak to you.

And, once again, name calling and alleging that I'm a liar w/o any proof whatsoever that I've lied. So much for the apparent tolerant left. They love
diversity, except when it comes to diversity of opinions.

originally posted by: X88B88
The story and allegations weren't in the MSM cycle on Nov. 4.

Shifting goalposts.

The spirit cooking story was out and that probably shifted some votes and Pizzagate may have been started for the same reason but it didn't build up
enough steam before the elections still, it isn't just about the elections.

No, he didn't address it.

Actually he did:

Far-right fascists want to prove that the left needs to be eliminated wholesale. Gaining control of the wheels of government is only the
beginning for them.

Please explain to me how, to the 'religious right', Trump's admission of being friends with Jeffrey Epstein, a convicted solicitor of underage
sex, and his admission of visiting Epstein's alleged child trafficking orgy island, changes things positively for them throughout his term. Trump's
involvement with Epstein has been a footnote of this story from day 1. So maybe it will change Trump's presidency; for the worse.

That is a strawman.

Makes no difference if that helps them or not. They now have their people in place and can be heard. They will push their agenda all the
same.

So you refute that the story wasn't in the MSM on Nov. 4? Please show me some evidence that it was being reported on a main stream news cycle. Video,
article, whatever.

And no, that's not a straw man argument. It seems that you also do not understand what one is.

You actually quoted me from 2 different posts; one in response to Johnny, the other in response to you. So nice try, but the point still stands: he
hasn't shown who these 'far right fascists' are, and hasn't addressed how Trump gains some kind of advantage in this debacle while he is also being
implicated.

That there is a secret Satanic organization operating at the highest levels of power in various world governments--including our own, as evidenced by
the Podesta emails--is completely, totally unfounded. Sigh if you want.

In the same you are free to turn a blind eye and pretend this doesnt happen withing the circles of those who would govern us.....

You are simply in denial and it obviously is too much for your conscience to handle so you choose to pretend it is fake.....i believe that is called
cognitive dissonance

originally posted by: X88B88
So you refute that the story wasn't in the MSM on Nov. 4? Please show me some evidence that it was being reported on a main stream news cycle. Video,
article, whatever.

No, that isn't what I said.

And no, that's not a straw man argument. It seems that you also do not understand what one is.

Nobody said it was on MSM so, you saying that that is the claim and then beating it down is a strawman.

You actually quoted me from 2 different posts; one in response to Johnny, the other in response to you. So nice try, but the point still
stands: he hasn't shown who these 'far right fascists' are, and hasn't addressed how Trump gains some kind of advantage in this debacle while he is
also being implicated.

Trump gained votes because he said that he would represent them. Overturning Roe vs Wade is one example. He reneged on gay marriage but it is still
the best shot they have at getting what they want done.

Being implicated in this is just overlooked because he is seen as the lesser of two evils.

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
You are simply in denial and it obviously is too much for your conscience to handle so you choose to pretend it is fake.....i believe that is called
cognitive dissonance

No, bring real evidence and I'm sure Greggers and many others, myself included, will say "now you have something".

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
You are simply in denial and it obviously is too much for your conscience to handle so you choose to pretend it is fake.....i believe that is called
cognitive dissonance

No, bring real evidence and I'm sure Greggers and many others, myself included, will say "now you have something".

Until then...

Real evidence LOL !......you my friend show all the classic symptoms of denial, even if you presented will irrefutable facts you would still cling to
your view point regardless ....

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
Real evidence LOL !......you my friend show all the classic symptoms of denial, even if you presented will irrefutable facts you would still cling to
your view point regardless ....

You are assuming things about me.

I'm not denying that pedophilia happens. Like it was said earlier in the thread, it is a matter of record. Proving that it is true in this case is
what has been lacking until now.

It is an objective opinion on what has been presented, not on what could be.

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