New details are emerging about Loughner as a law enforcement memo based on information provided by the Department of Homeland Security and
obtained by Fox News suggests he may have ties to the American Renaissance group, though it's unclear if he was directly affiliated with the
publication or group.

The Southern Poverty Law Center describes the group as "white nationalist" whose leader, Jared Taylor, is "a kind of modern-day version of the
refined but racist colonialist of old."

Off me good god no, but by revealing you have sensitive info, that you won't leak but others may choose to do so at risk of their life, implies that
a party might seek to end the life of those it thought were privy to information it wanted kept quiet to end the possibility that the holders of the
information might blab.

I called it the Lazar Gambit because he claims that by going open "they" were happy to discredit him rather than killing him as would have been
"their" best option before he leaked.

Sorry about being confused in my last comment. I came across this page at random. Not only didn't I recognize the name of the shooter...but I thought
the original bird description that was qouted actually came from the girl being discussed, rather than it being his description. I get it all now. I
see what you are all going on about....Hey, I was tired....it was a really late night. Didn't have a clue what I was talking about! LOL! Anyway...now
Im reading this and understanding what this is about I am getting interested. Perhaps if I have any Ideas of the subject I will make another post
soon.

I'll tell you what's making me a little nervous and suspicious. A lot of the people commenting in this thread are newly registered yesterday or
today. Could be nothing but it's definitely got me a little curious.

sorry I didn't take that meaning. I'm not all that big on grammar, but your the subject position in the sentence made it unclear. Don't retract my
statement, but i"ll detach it from you. My mistake. but you know you could respond a little more directly and just flame back. My post was not a
flamethrower.

Wow...we are all having new experiences tonight, after I hit this link..I just got Palin's trade in odds in Ireland as a result of her Gifford
guffaw. That never happens to me...I am an economist, I never play the human game.

Here is some 911 Audio. I know it's not much but every snippet helps!
Interesting that one guy tells the operator that the shooter ran away? but another says he was detained, must have been a lot of confussion but news
reports say he was tackled by at least 3 people. Would be nice to have this audio in reverse to see if there is any reverse speech type message.azstarnet.com...
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Well thanks for that??? ....ummmm...errrr. essay! Not sure why that entire diatribe was aimed at my post stating it looked like posts on this thread
were not just being censored but deleted.

We know there is no anonymity on the net. This issue is exactly the kind of one that ATSers should talk freely about. If you're so afraid of TPTB
that you won't talk freely on a thread, what use are you going to be when TSHTF.

NASA Administrator Charles Bolden issued the following statement Saturday about the shooting in Tucson, Ariz., of U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and
several others:

"We at NASA are deeply shocked and saddened by the senseless shooting of Representative Giffords and others at Saturday’s public event in Tucson. As
a long-time supporter of NASA, Representative Giffords not only has made lasting contributions to our country, but is a strong advocate for the
nation’s space program and a member of the NASA family. She also is a personal friend with whom I have had the great honor of working. We at NASA
mourn this tragedy and our thoughts and prayers go out to Congresswoman Giffords, her husband Mark Kelly, their family, and the families and friends
of all who perished or were injured in this terrible tragedy."

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