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Re: my take on Prokoffief - Dottie

Hi Dottie: ... I just want to say thank you reading me and responding in the way that you do. We agree and we disagree and that s fin and maybe some of that

Message 1 of 55
, Jan 1, 2005

Hi Dottie:

dottie zold <dottie_z@y...> wrote:

> Dear Stephen,
>
> If you...

I just want to say thank you reading me and responding in the way that
you do. We agree and we disagree and that's fin and maybe some of
that can be cleared up. But for now, since I used up so much of my
time in writing my first post to you, I just want to say that I do not
base my case about P. on _anything_ other that what I read in his many
books and in the few correspondence exchanges which I have had with
him (he is polite but declines to discuss anything about the content
or sources of his work in anything other than the most general terms.)

So let us please not waste our precious time on those red herring
distractions. You do credit to him that you support him in such fiery
fashion. If he had more like you on his side I would think better of him.

I'll answer in detail later, if you can be patient!

Stephen

Stephen Clarke

Dear Brad: Wonderful stuff! In my no doubt exasperating fashion, I say but : ... Oh Brad, but it is! This is the secret of America that no one recognizes,

Message 55 of 55
, Jan 10, 2005

Dear Brad:

Wonderful stuff! In my no doubt exasperating fashion, I say "but":

"holderlin66" <holderlin66@h...> wrote:

> ...We like to think of ourselves
> so advanced and raise up, rightly, various Joseph Campbell Native
> American myths and realities... I love to integrate their researches
> with the depths of Occult Science, but I stand to differ with
> Stephen, that I think amazing substantiation and credit is due, but
> like the wonderful Hindu myths and occult vision, Spiritual and
> mythic history, it must be caught up the current Christology Event
> of Golgotha and the clear depths of Occult Science an Outline.

Oh Brad, but it is! This is the secret of America that no one
recognizes, or, recognizing, admits: that Jesus/Christ, who went down
to ignominous overt failure in the Middle East - tortured and executed
like scum, risen to only a secret few, his message coopted by
political empire, the true disciples mostly martyrs at the hand of the
Church erected to fossilize the impulse, etc., etc. - this Christ was
openly honored by those in the Americas who recognized him and served
him in has passage through the human dimension, and who kept his
active message alive for half a millenium in what might just have been
the one true utopia that mankind has ever known.

Yet this _successful_ impulse continues to be marginalized and
ignored. Perhaps the racial guilt incured by the events of 1492 (as
Malcom X said about a similar instance" "We didn't land on Plymouth
Rock, Plymouth rock landed on US!") is responsible for our culture's
reluctance to appreciate the glory of what we destroyed.

In spite of Steiner's explicit indications, and revealing of our own
disposition, only the dark echo of what was confronted and redeemed is
emphasized.

I submit that true christianity flourished in the Land of the Far West
and is still remembered in the Mythos of the Traditions that contain
it. Not myths, but accurate and vital Imaginations still live in the
physical Land of America. This is true.

Brad, you are a true American, along with Joel, Dottie, and some
others here, (anyone who is half crazy qualifies!) but I would like to
ask you to try and ground yourself just a little bit more in what has
always been alive here. Read Stiener's GA 171: the elib has a copy of
the Sept. 18 and Sept. 24, 1916 lectures in which Stiener describes
how the arch-shaman Vitzliputzli, Palladin of Christ, opens the way
for Christ into the UnderWorld, the womb-body of the Earth. This is a
_real_ christinity, one that is still taboo for its European-oriented
variants.

Most Sincerely,

Stephen

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