People on this board seem to think that somehow having "serious" sex while in a long-term relationship somehow protects them from getting STDs, but it doesn't lol. That somehow knowing someone for a while will allow you to somehow ascertain whether there's some lovebugs dwelling around their pelvic area.

I agree that having casual sex, especially with many people, leads to an increased risk of contracting venereal diseases especially if you don't wear protection. That's pretty obvious.

But do people here honestly think that just because you take 15 dates to get to know someone, before you start feeling comfortable sleeping with them, that when you do that somehow you're sure that you're not going to get an STD? Unless you have access to their medical records or health insurance, or go with them to see their doctor, there's never a way to be sure.

You don't even have to sleep with many people to get an STD, it only requires one time. Because when you sleep with someone, you're essentially sleeping with the people they've been with, and the people those people were with...and so on and so forth.

Taking a month of celibacy while dating before you get into bed with someone doesn't make it any less uncertain that they might have an STD, it's all up to them to be honest with you unless you get access to their medical records.

Like one of my English Professors told me, "Sex in a bed, Sex on a table, Sex in a novel, at the end of the day sex never happens just for the sake of sex.

So no. (Drunk sex doesn't count because your not responsible for things that happen when your half comatose.)

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Explain the viewing of porn. (Please)
Explain the popularity of prostitution. (Please)
Explain the sake booty calls besides sex. (Please)
Explain how one is not responsible for becoming drunk in the first place. What you said is the same as saying one is not responsible for the death of another from drink driving because the person behind the wheel couldn't control his/her actions because they were under the influence of alcoholic beverages.

Porn is not for the sake of sex it's for the sake of money
Prostitution is not for the sake of sex but also for the sake of money
Booty calls may be for the sake of sex for one in the party but feeling ALWAYS develop. ALWAYS.
Putting Drunk Driving and Drunk Sex in the same category is like trying to compare Saudi Arabia to an Orange. Also to DD you can't be Comatose or you'd be sleeping harmlessly instead of driving like a bat out of hell. As a female I could be out cold yet still have sex because basically all I'd have to do is lay there and EVEN then it isn't "Just Sex" because someone was attracted or desperate enough to fuck a zombie.

So before you take a self rightous attitude and throw what you presume to be valid arguments in a discussion perhaps you should make sure that your logic is a little more sound that a toppling house of cards. (Please)

My my, your age really shows through your writing style.
And yes Porn is for the sake of money, yet is this a worthy excuse for the sake of sex? Shouldn't sex be spiritual and loving? Or do you disagree and believe it appropriate to use the human body as a product to generate income?
"Prostitution is not for the sake of sex". Oh really? Then please explain why one would choose to pay to have sex, other than to just have sex?
"But feelings ALWAYS develop, ALWAYS." You make a definite statement while lacking the knowledge of every single booty call ever made.
"But also for the sake of money." Once again, you have failed to understand my statement. I'm not referring to WHY prostitution is around, a raging ape could of told me that, I'm referring to it from a consumer point of view.
You are basing your arguments on something along the lines of : everything happens for a reason. (Im referring to the way you concluded the drink driving/drunk sex) Whereas you first comment was "sex doesn't just happen for the sake of sex". The sake of sex cannot be backed up by any reason that can be taken and used as an excuse. The sake of sex is intended to have appropriate meaning behind it to justify the actions of sexual intercourse.
Also, although insulting me personally wasn't part of this "discussion" as you refer to it, i am not fond of if. Resorting to insulting me personally is simply giving you a sense of dominance or personal security yet there need be none of that in this conversation as its not my intention to make you feel insecure or inferior. What I do hope to get from this conversation is flawless logic, that I apparently lack, to back up your vast statements that hold a sense of tunnel vision. Amuse me?

No hun ten hours of waiting tables on a Friday night shows through my writing. If I would have known my grammar/writing style/ or tone of voice would have been under scrutiny in a casual forum I would have put more emoticons.

However I will give you credit where credit is due

And Yes Porn is for the sake of money, yet is this a worthy excuse for the sake of sex

Here you manage to acknowledge the logic to my argument the COMPLETELY change the subject at the same time. I had no idea that this forum had turned into a place to discuss the ethics of sex. Furthermore your commentOnce again, you have failed to understand my statement. I'm not referring to WHY prostitution is around, a raging ape could of told me that, I'm referring to it from a consumer point of view.

Is (pardon my french) is a complete and utter line of bullshit because if you'll kindly refer to your original statement it said something alone the lines of...

Explain the popularity of prostitution. (Please)

Yep just as I thought, unless you've encoded some subliminal message with your massive superhuman mind powers in hopes that I would pick it up via ESP then there is nothing about the consumer point of view in the above statement. Unless somehow "raging apes" have ESP abilities they probably wouldn't pick it up either. So as far as I'm concerned me not having ESP doesn't excuse you from trying to cover your ass after making a horrible argument in the first place.

Also as far as your last little tidbit I found amusing,

Also, although insulting me personally wasn't part of this "discussion" as you refer to it, i am not fond of if. Resorting to insulting me personally is simply giving you a sense of dominance or personal security yet there need be none of that in this conversation as its not my intention to make you feel insecure or inferior.

I did not insult you personally but simply criticized your counter argument which if you can rid yourself of your own hubris for five seconds, you would realize that it was a very poor, very under thought argument. As far as "having" a sense of dominance is concerned I won't deny that. It's only natural that I have a confidence and a sense of dominance considering my arguments are more concise and more thought out than your own. Also I managed not to pull random rabbits out of my ass and stuck to the topics at hand.

Also on the note of me feeling insecure or inferior that comment isn't even worth me addressing so I won't. Instead I'll take the advise of Sydney J. Harris who said...

The most important thing in an argument, next to being right, is to leave an escape hatch for your opponent, so that he can gracefully swing over to your side without too much apparent loss of face

Like one of my English Professors told me, "Sex in a bed, Sex on a table, Sex in a novel, at the end of the day sex never happens just for the sake of sex.

So no. (Drunk sex doesn't count because your not responsible for things that happen when your half comatose.)

Spoiler Alert! Click to show or hide

Explain the viewing of porn. (Please)
Explain the popularity of prostitution. (Please)
Explain the sake booty calls besides sex. (Please)
Explain how one is not responsible for becoming drunk in the first place. What you said is the same as saying one is not responsible for the death of another from drink driving because the person behind the wheel couldn't control his/her actions because they were under the influence of alcoholic beverages.

Porn is not for the sake of sex it's for the sake of money
Prostitution is not for the sake of sex but also for the sake of money
Booty calls may be for the sake of sex for one in the party but feeling ALWAYS develop. ALWAYS.
Putting Drunk Driving and Drunk Sex in the same category is like trying to compare Saudi Arabia to an Orange. Also to DD you can't be Comatose or you'd be sleeping harmlessly instead of driving like a bat out of hell. As a female I could be out cold yet still have sex because basically all I'd have to do is lay there and EVEN then it isn't "Just Sex" because someone was attracted or desperate enough to fuck a zombie.

So before you take a self rightous attitude and throw what you presume to be valid arguments in a discussion perhaps you should make sure that your logic is a little more sound that a toppling house of cards. (Please)

My my, your age really shows through your writing style.
And yes Porn is for the sake of money, yet is this a worthy excuse for the sake of sex? Shouldn't sex be spiritual and loving? Or do you disagree and believe it appropriate to use the human body as a product to generate income?
"Prostitution is not for the sake of sex". Oh really? Then please explain why one would choose to pay to have sex, other than to just have sex?
"But feelings ALWAYS develop, ALWAYS." You make a definite statement while lacking the knowledge of every single booty call ever made.
"But also for the sake of money." Once again, you have failed to understand my statement. I'm not referring to WHY prostitution is around, a raging ape could of told me that, I'm referring to it from a consumer point of view.
You are basing your arguments on something along the lines of : everything happens for a reason. (Im referring to the way you concluded the drink driving/drunk sex) Whereas you first comment was "sex doesn't just happen for the sake of sex". The sake of sex cannot be backed up by any reason that can be taken and used as an excuse. The sake of sex is intended to have appropriate meaning behind it to justify the actions of sexual intercourse.
Also, although insulting me personally wasn't part of this "discussion" as you refer to it, i am not fond of if. Resorting to insulting me personally is simply giving you a sense of dominance or personal security yet there need be none of that in this conversation as its not my intention to make you feel insecure or inferior. What I do hope to get from this conversation is flawless logic, that I apparently lack, to back up your vast statements that hold a sense of tunnel vision. Amuse me?

Spoiler Alert! Click to show or hide

No hun ten hours of waiting tables on a Friday night shows through my writing. If I would have known my grammar/writing style/ or tone of voice would have been under scrutiny in a casual forum I would have put more emoticons.

However I will give you credit where credit is due

And Yes Porn is for the sake of money, yet is this a worthy excuse for the sake of sex

Here you manage to acknowledge the logic to my argument the COMPLETELY change the subject at the same time. I had no idea that this forum had turned into a place to discuss the ethics of sex. Furthermore your commentOnce again, you have failed to understand my statement. I'm not referring to WHY prostitution is around, a raging ape could of told me that, I'm referring to it from a consumer point of view.

Is (pardon my french) is a complete and utter line of bullshit because if you'll kindly refer to your original statement it said something alone the lines of...

Explain the popularity of prostitution. (Please)

Yep just as I thought, unless you've encoded some subliminal message with your massive superhuman mind powers in hopes that I would pick it up via ESP then there is nothing about the consumer point of view in the above statement. Unless somehow "raging apes" have ESP abilities they probably wouldn't pick it up either. So as far as I'm concerned me not having ESP doesn't excuse you from trying to cover your ass after making a horrible argument in the first place.

Also as far as your last little tidbit I found amusing,

Also, although insulting me personally wasn't part of this "discussion" as you refer to it, i am not fond of if. Resorting to insulting me personally is simply giving you a sense of dominance or personal security yet there need be none of that in this conversation as its not my intention to make you feel insecure or inferior.

I did not insult you personally but simply criticized your counter argument which if you can rid yourself of your own hubris for five seconds, you would realize that it was a very poor, very under thought argument. As far as "having" a sense of dominance is concerned I won't deny that. It's only natural that I have a confidence and a sense of dominance considering my arguments are more concise and more thought out than your own. Also I managed not to pull random rabbits out of my ass and stuck to the topics at hand.

Also on the note of me feeling insecure or inferior that comment isn't even worth me addressing so I won't. Instead I'll take the advise of Sydney J. Harris who said...

The most important thing in an argument, next to being right, is to leave an escape hatch for your opponent, so that he can gracefully swing over to your side without too much apparent loss of face

So here is your escape hatch

Now all you have to do is kindly step through it.

Unfortunately I'm not amused, I was expecting something with a little bit more bite or intellect yet you are quite obstinate. Nonetheless I will get straight to the points, something you seem to neglect in doing and for some peculiar reason deem it appropriate to mention ESP attributes...

I'm confused here, apparently this topic doesn't relate to the ethics of sex, as you boldly claim. If there is no ethics to or behind sexual intercourse then is it not possible to have sex simply because one can? Sex can come from boredom, from sheer desire and from the sake of just having sex because it's there and is a viable option for one to spend his/her time.

And somehow you have managed to believe that my points have been demolished through calling them bullshit and ..... Oh wait that's about as far that you managed to move in proving my points wrongs , and your points, if you had any, right. Oh and how could I forget ESP signals, now you did manage to amuse me here. So here I am being scrutinised for somehow going of topic and here you are filling your text box with ESP gibberish in the hopes of establishing a justified argument. Ironically I do not have ESP powers, your vocab is just limited, a common mistake.

and my last point is thrown away as amusing, my my, your logic is flawless~!!! And for your sake i should be pretty specific here in what I intended to bring across just then, I was intending to bring across sarcasm. Here's a definition so we are both on the same level and there isn't any confusion in what I'm trying to communicate.
Sarcasm: harsh or bitter derision or irony.

And, referring to your last somewhat on topic paragraph, you call my argument under thought. Well to be honest it hasn't been given my full undivided attention yet what is your argument in comparison? You recent reply has failed to counter anything, all you did was say " NO, YOUR WRONG, IM RIGHT, WHY, BULLSHIT, BECAUSE I AM, ESP, EXCUSE FRENCH.".
You also state that your arguments are more concise... With all those quotes you hold onto so dearly one would think you would of stumbled across one that warns one of over confidence and the assumption of victory. ( I'm also referring to your precious escape hatch.)

Didn't pull rabbits out of your ass now, hey just a quick question: While you where dining tables for ten hours, excusing your french and honing your ESP abilities did you not think to not take a step back and understand you are flawed in your judgement and that the stables are all sold out of high horses? I can play the smart arse game too you know, yet its like fighting fire with fire.

At this rate, here's my camera, you can use it to show me what's on the other side of that hatch.

I've remained abstinent for 20 years BECAUSE I don't want my first relationship to be a one night stand or last only 2 weeks. I avoided Middle school and high school dating for that reason (Albeit probably would have remained single anyway since I wasn't that popular in highschool, and currently still awkward and anti-social). I want my first relationship to have meaning. Not that it has to be my only relationship(that wouldn't be a bad thing though), but certainly be meaningful.