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THE SOPRANOS OF OUR TIME AND 2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY OF 1968 ARE CONNECTED INDEFINITELY IN TIME AND SPACE AS A WARNING FOR 9/11. THEREFORE, IT IS OUR FIRST TRUE EVIDENCE OF COMMUNICATION WITH OTHER TIME PERIODS.

OK here goes,Without a doubt in my mind, The Sopranos is forever linked in space & time to Kubrick's 1968 2001: A Space Odyssey as a warning about 9/11.

It is our first true evidence of communication with other time periods.

This is not going to be an especially long analysis. I am going to focus on only what is important to tie the concept together. I will undoubtedly be taking insightful ideas from various Sopranos forums and discussions, including TheChaseLounge.Net, MoS, SopranosAutopsy.com, and a SINGLE THREAD about a question on reddit.com, that to my knowledge, HAS NEVER BEEN SUCCESSFULLY ANSWERED BEFORE. I will post the entire thread to this analysis as well as cite every member's work that has contributed to my revelation.

I WILL ALSO MAKE IT MY EVERY ATTEMPT TO ALLOW ALL PEOPLE, NOT JUST THOSE WHO HAVE WATCHED THE SERIES, TO APPRECIATE THE FULL CONTEXT OF WHAT I'M ABOUT TO WRITE.

"Dropping acid and seeing 2001: A Space Odyssey was the best times of my life.” - David Chase

I believe that David Chase experienced a spiritual journey (out of body experience, soul travel) when he dropped acid and saw 2001: A Space Odyssey.

I came across the above quote from our very own member SilvioMancini through his excellent thread (Bells, Duality, Metaphysics, schrodingers Cat Oh my!), which I will be referring to numerous times.

I am going to break everything down step by step. First of all, the film above was created in 1968. However, look at and appreciate the title of the film (it was made in 1968 yet it's alluding to the year 2001 through some kind of Space Odyssey). Also, we try to understand the full breadth of that quote. David Chase is considered, by critics, to be our generation's true great writer. He is our generation's Shakespeare or our generation's Kubrick.

Stanley Kubrick made 2001: A Space Odyssey, and he is frequently cited as one of the greatest and most influential directors in cinematic history.

Kubrick's 2001: A Space Odyssey simply just defies expectations.

From Wikipedia: "The scientific realism and innovative special effects in 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968) were without precedent in the history of cinema, and the film earned him his only personal Oscar, for Best Visual Effects. Steven Spielberg has referred to the film as his generation's 'big bang,' and it is regarded as one of the greatest films ever made."

The page even further praises the film in the next paragraph. "Today, 2001: A Space Odyssey is widely regarded as one of the greatest and most influential films ever made. In 1991, it was deemed 'culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant' by the United States Library of Congress and selected for preservation in the National Film Registry."

Our understanding of physics, the universe, quantum mechanics, spirituality, the occult, hidden messages, etc. have been shown to us so beautifully & intelligently throughout the The Sopranos.

The Sopranos also just simply defies expectations. For example, reading through SilvioMancini's thread was an unbelievable and daunting task. David Chase makes connections (not just to the film, but to EVERYTHING), and these connections are literally too much to handle. He does this through the use of physics, such as the theory of quantum entanglement, which is still quite difficult for me to understand.

Another way he accomplishes these connections by science is demonstrated, for example, by the use of Freud's theory Reversal Into The Opposite, which FlyOnMelfisWall so intelligently articulated for us from (5.11 The Test Dream).

From Wikipedia: "The Sopranos is widely regarded as one of the greatest television series of all time...The series also won a multitude of awards, including Peabody Awards. In 1999 and 2000, The Sopranos earned two consecutive George Foster Peabody Awards. Only three other series have won the award in consecutive years: Northern Exposure[Also with David Chase],The West Wing, and Breaking Bad.”

From a Different Wikipedia Page: "The George Foster Peabody Awards (or simply Peabody Awards) program, named for American businessman and philanthropist George Peabody, honor the most powerful, enlightening, and invigorating stories in television, radio, and online media."

David Chase has also received The Laurel Award for Lifetime Screen-Writing Achievement in 2008 (The Sopranos ended in 2007, and the following year he has received this prestigious award). Receiving The Laurel Award is considered the highest honor for any writing in Television.

More specific description of this award: “The Laurel Award for Screenwriting Achievement (also known as the Screen Laurel Award) is a lifetime achievement award given by the Writers Guild of America, West. Since its inception in 1953, it has been presented every year at the WGA Awards to a veteran screenwriter of high stature. The official description reads that it 'is given to that member of the Guild who, in the opinion of the current Board of Directors, has advanced the literature of the motion picture through the years, and who has made outstanding contributions to the profession of the screen writer."

Just to provide one (of the many, many) examples of the Critical Acclaim the Series has received, in 2013 the Writer's Guild of America named The Sopranos the Best-Written Television Series of ALL TIME. And it has since remained at that position. It is frequently cited as one of the Greatest Television Series of All Time by numerous other groups and/or disciplines.

Just to provide one (of the many, many) examples of the Critical Acclaim the Film has received, in 2010 the The Moving Arts Film Journal named 2001: A Space Odyssey the Greatest Film of ALL TIME. And it has since remained at that position. It is frequently cited as one of the Greatest Films of All Time by numerous other groups and/or disciplines.

I am just trying to establish a connection here that both works (and thus their creators) have been extremely influential.

Every single Episode of The Sopranos is “Open To Interpretation” from a wide variety of different disciplines. The Final Episode [Made In America] is especially difficult to understand or comprehend.

Every single Part (or Section) of 2001: A Space Odyssey is “Open To Interpretation” from a wide variety of different disciplines. The Final Part [Jupiter And Beyond The Infinite] is especially difficult to understand or comprehend.

It has been nearly two decades since the The Sopranos first aired. It has also been over a decade since the Finale appeared, and people are still trying to figure out what happens in the End.

It has been over five decades since the Film 2001: A Space Odyssey first aired, and people are still trying to figure out what happens in the End.

So now we know that Kubrick and Chase are cited to be the most influential of their respective times, so we trust that their respective works are so truly important to us.

People have known for a long time that everything is connected through the Universe, Stars, and Planets; and that traveling through different Dimensions/Time-Zones is possible, this is absolutely NOT a surprise to us. Numerous people who experienced spiritual journey via soul travel have written books about it. Examples include the ancient Egyptian writings in the Book of the Dead to the novels of recent times such as The Western Lands, and to authors of recent times such as Harold Klemp.

[I have also been recently introduced to the following website: http://www.astraldynamics.com/astral-projection/. The individual’s name who documents his experiences of astral projection on this website is Robert Bruce. It just one example and I am sure there are more out there. I am including it just to demonstrate that astral projection (out of body experience) is true both by accounts of people in our time, as well as written records dating back many years. It’s not something new and it should NOT come as a surprise to us that we maintain the capability to travel through different dimensions.]

However, there is no direct evidence to show spiritual journey into different dimensions through soul travel except for written/oral accounts, in which case you must trust the word of the speaker/writer.

I PLAN TO PROVE THAT THE SOPRANOS OF OUR TIME AND 2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY OF 1968 ARE CONNECTED THROUGH TIME AND SPACE INDEFINITELY AND THEREFORE OUR FIRST TRUE EVIDENCE OF THE FACT BY GIVING A FINAL ANALYSIS OF THE FINAL EPISODE OF THE SOPRANOS, TITLED "MADE IN AMERICA." I WILL UNDOUBTEDLY BE USING INSIGHTS ARTICULATED BY PREVIOUS POSTS, AND I WILL CITE WHERE RELEVANT.

This next part that I am about to write is very important and I believe is the key to finally proving the connection. When David Chase was interviewed about the relationship between the two works, he said something to the effect of: They are related in one way, for example, because it had a lot to do with our favorite scene in 2001: A Space Odyssey and with three scenes that it correlated with in The Sopranos.Two of the scenes that it correlated with in The Sopranos he named. One of them he said he doesn't recall.

AS WE KNOW DAVID CHASE BY NOW, IF HE SAYS HE DOESN'T RECALL THAT MEANS HE RECALLS IT ALL TOO WELL, and it is the final key to solve. It also pertains to the SINGLE THREAD on reddit.com that I named above, that to my current knowledge, HAS NEVER BEEN SUCCESSFULLY ANSWERED BEFORE, even after being posted on TheChaseLounge.Net.

I will post the entire thread when I am reviewing that scene later below. Also, even though David Chase says as an example, one way that The Sopranos and 2001: A Space Odyssey are related is by that scene, he is being humble. They are related in infinite ways, just as the Universe is related to the Stars and to the Planets and to our Souls.

"Dropping acid and seeing 2001: A Space Odyssey was the best times of my life.” - David Chase

I want to take the time out now to point out that I AM NOT IN ANY WAY SOLELY RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS FINAL REVELATION. I have only provided the last bits & pieces. This is a culmination of truly intelligent work of so many dedicated people throughout so many years. And I want to take out special significance for those not familiar with our deeply respected online community: FlyOnMelfisWall is the true measure of the embodiment of the series. Without her, there would be no TheChaseLounge.Net, no "Tony's Vicarious Patricide," and true understanding of the series as we have understood it. I also want to mention a sincere thank you to all of the Honorary Members, Moderators, and Administrators of TheChaseLounge.Net, which I am not. A very special thank you to MoS (MasterofSopranos) and SopranosAutopsy.com, which have helped us so much as we all deeply respect "This thing of Ours" and are connected in infinite ways.

FlyOnMelfisWall has so brilliantly articulated how we are One with the Universe in Tony's peyote-driven revelation in Las Vegas through the use of Physics (such as the use of Centripetal Force and more), The Second Coming by Yeats, Tony's patricide through his nephew who weighed so heavily symbolically with him in Tony's mind (and which later lead to the revelation that Tony fulfills the Oedipus Myth), the use of real and surrogate fathers and uncles, son's and suns, the desert atmosphere, and so much more. Once again here is the link of her essay: viewtopic.php?f=45&t=2503&hilit=Tony%27s+vicarious+Patricide.

I have copied and pasted the following from the thread by SilvioMancini and his representation of the infinite connections between The Sopranos and 2001: A Space Odyssey.

Heres an interesting Observation made by a blogger who goes by Theotherforever on another Sopranos blog.

The Sopranos A. Bobby Bacala likes to hunt with a bow and arrow.B. AJ goes into the pool.C. Janice's son is named Harpo/Hal.D. Hal Holbrook plays John Schwinn, formerly of Bell Labs.E. Tony Soprano's breathing patterns are very noticeable. F. AJ appears wearing his Dad's bathrobe.G. Meadow is late due to her switching Birth control.

A. One astronaut is named "Bowman."B. Another astronaut is named "Poole."C. HAL9000 is the name of the space ship's computer.D. HAL was made to "speak" at Bell Labs.E. Bowman's breathing is also very noticeable as he tries to rescue Poole.F. Astronaut Bowman sees himself wearing a bathrobe.G. A Star-Child is BORN.

The above is just one minor connection. The connections that SilvioMancini demonstrates in his thread appear as if they are infinite, Connecting the two works to the Universe and Planets, and to Each Other. Once again here is the link to his thread: viewtopic.php?t=2930.

Upon researching 2001: A Space Odyssey I found this:THE "GOAL" OF THE VIEWER IS TO “BUILD TECHNOLOGICAL ADVANCEMENTS” - I go into detail about this in my 4th post below, in which I ultimately try to decipher Stanley Kubrick's purpose in the making of this Film. And I also debunk this statement of "Building Technological Advancements," which I found on Wikipedia, and I believe is a FALSE Statement, even though it's on Wikipedia. Everything about this is in my 4th post below.

******KUBRICK WARNED US****** -- we should be doing the EXACT OPPOSITE of furthering technological advancements, and we should be trying to get in touch with our SPIRITUAL Side. Technological advancements, at this point - leading up to and since 2001 - have been HINDERING our very own Evolution, and in fact technological advancements at this point leads to MORE terrorism, MORE wars, and LESS deep/meaningful connections with others and with ourselves.

The Opening Montage of the Final Season of The Sopranos includes a shortened version of a spoken word essay ("The ancient Egyptians postulated seven souls...") by William S. Burroughs from his novel The Western Lands.

*For interpretation of the Montage and/or novel and how it relates to the Series (yet again even more Connections by David Chase of the Universe to his Series), I will be referring people to read the thread by Silviomancini, as the explanations are far too long for me to copy here. Once AGAIN, here is the link: viewtopic.php?t=2930.

The final episode is so difficult to understand because some of it just doesn't make sense. Tony keeps on seeing himself talking to other people. In addition, the timeline doesn't make sense, as if we're seeing into the future or into the past in certain scenes. I BELIEVE THAT WE ARE EXPERIENCING TONY'S SOUL IN DIFFERENT DIMENSIONS (TIME & SPACE/DISTANCE) IN THE FINAL EPISODE, AND POSSIBLE REINCARNATION AFTERWARDS.

I would like to refer back to SilvioMancini's thread and discuss the interview with David Chase about the relationship between 2001: A Space Odyssey and The Sopranos. I would also like to discuss SilvioMancini's ANSWER AND RESPONSE TO US IN THAT THREAD about David Chase's interview, which I believe is PARTIALLY CORRECT in terms of its significance.

The interview:Chase: Filmically, that show ["Made in America"] had a lot to do with our favorite scene in 2001 when the astronaut wakes up, that episode was believe it or not sort of based on that.

Terrence Winter [writer/producer]: [you mean] seeing himself in the frame.

Chase: Projecting himself into his own future.

Chase: “Tony, all the way through [the final episode] would come somewhere, see the person he was going to talk to, cut back to him and then cut to him walking into his own point of view and he would then arrive and start talking. And that time got shorter and shorter and shorter. Janice was the longest and then there was another one that I don’t recall (emphasis added) and then there was Junior which was even shorter. Then it went from Tony looking at Tony, back to Tony seeing himself. I sort of got that from 2001.”

THIS IS SilvioMancini's RESPONSE TO DAVID CHASE'S INTERVIEW TO US IN THE THREAD: “The OTHER scene Chase refers to I can't find a high-quality photo to post, but it's at the very beginning when he meets Agent Harris with Paulie. As he approaches Harris's car, this is the first time this pattern is established."

I BELIEVE THAT SilviioMancini is partially correct AS TO THE SIGNIFICANCE PERTAINING TO THAT SCENE. Yes, this IS THE OTHER SCENE, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY IS HOW TONY GOT TO THAT SCENE, which was very weird to some viewers, as if his life was interrupted for a moment to get there, and then resumed again. In other words, IT WAS OUT OF SEQUENCE.

I am now going to include the entire thread from a post on reddit.com, that to my knowledge, HAS NEVER BEEN SUCCESSFULLY ANSWERED BEFORE, EVEN AFTER BEING POSTED ON TheChaseLounge.Net.

Submitted 1 year ago by somertonI originally posted this on the Chase Lounge forum. I've never seen anyone mention this so I thought I'd ask you guys:OK, so as we all know the episode starts with Tony waking up in bed in the safe house. Vanilla Fudge's "You Keep Me Hangin' On" is on the radio, the sun is shining into the room indicating it's likely morning... and CUT. We're now at the airport as Tony and Paulie wait for Agent Harris, but it is now dark -- what happened? Did the show cut ahead to that night?It doesn't seem so to me. The next scene is early morning, Tony and his burly guard driving to Carmela's safe house by the water, with the same exact Vanilla Fudge song on the car radio -- only now it's slightly ahead of the part of the song we previously heard.The airport scene seems to cut irrationally in between these two scenes, disconnected in time.Theoretically, it would make much more sense for Tony to wake up to Vanilla Fudge, rush out the door to his family's safe house with the bodyguard, and get there quickly enough that the same song was still on. Keep in mind that the full/album version of that VF song is just under 7 minutes. This would make much more sense than the option we're being fed by the way the scenes are presented in sequence: i.e., Tony spends an entire day off-camera after waking up at the beginning, sees Harris at the airport that night, and goes to see his family the next morning as the same VF song plays on the radio.Chase is clearly playing with us here, as he does until the end of the episode. But why?[Another observation: The song plays yet again during Phil's infamous death scene near the end of the episode, and I find it persuasive regarding Tony's death that the same song would play during the opening scene of Tony filmed as if in a casket, and another scene being played in the car Tony's in -- and then also be playing in the death scene of his arch-nemesis Phil, again presumably on the car radio. The part of the song playing during Phil's death scene seems to be similar or identical to the part playing when Tony's driving to the safe-house; in any case, both scenes have the song cut out at the same exact spot, which is when it appears to be amping up into some kind of intense organ crescendo. Also, recall how Tony and Phil have previously been compared/doubled throughout the series in a suggestively morbid way, such as Nancy Sinatra saying "Are you two going home together?" in "Chasing It."]

MY THEORY IS THAT IN THE LAST EPISODE, "MADE IN AMERICA," TONY'S SOUL TRAVELS BACK TO 2001 AS HE IS SITTING IN THE AIRPORT WITH FBI AGENT HARRIS AND TWO VERY CLOSE PLANES FLY BY AS THEY ARE TALKING TERRORISM. THIS WOULD PROVIDE AN EXPLANATION FOR THE REDDIT.COM POST ABOVE, WHICH HAS NEVER BEEN SUCCESSFULLY ANSWERED BEFORE. IT IS THE SCENE WHICH DAVID CHASE STATES HE DOESN'T RECALL. (However, we know it truly means he recalls it all too well).

The above paragraph is just my theory, and I don't know if it is true. HOWEVER, AND WITHOUT A DOUBT IN MY MIND, THE FOLLOWING SEEM TO BE TRUE:1. I believe that we are experiencing Tony's soul in different dimensions (time and space/distance) in this episode.2. There is something very special about the scene with FBI Agent Harris.

I am including below a section From MasterofSopranos for further explanation of that scene:“It (9/11) changed the whole show……In fact, [the effect of 9/11] was actually developed consciously in the last episode of the entire series. [The final episode] is really about that feeling of foreboding.” (David Chase in a 2009 interview at Emmylegends.org, responding to a question about the effect of 9/11 on the show).

Terrorism, 9/11 and the United States war in Iraq are consistently referenced in the final season. However, in the final few episodes, and specifically in the final episode “Made in America,” the references pile up at a feverish pace. This is mainly illustrated through A.J., who begins to have a new understanding of the Middle East and becomes obsessed with Al Qaeda and the possibility that weapons of mass destruction could be unleashed in the United States. In the final episode, A.J. tells his father he wants to join the army to fight terrorism in Afghanistan. Numerous symbols of the war in Iraq, 9/11, and America’s dependence on oil crowd the episode.

Tony meets FBI agent Harris near an airport and a jet is shown flying eerily close to Tony’s SUV, echoing 9/11. The engine ominously roars as the jet attempts to land at an angle, referencing the numerous videos of the second plane coming in at an angle and striking one of the Towers. Tony then talks to Agent Harris about the Arabs that Christopher did business with. Harris relays to Tony that he is stressed because he believes terrorists may have been testing the F.B.I.’s response time at Newark Airport. The snow falling in the scene echoes the debris from the burning Towers or the ash covered downtown Manhattan. A second plane is heard overhead while Tony is talking to Harris, referencing the two planes that struck the World Trade Center (only two planes are shown and heard in the scene). In the very next scene, Tony visits Carmela at the family safe house and Carmela is concerned about the “toxic” smell of the house, a reference to the toxic odors of downtown Manhattan in the weeks and months following 9/11.

Some points I need to make before moving on to my Next Posts Below:

Since writing this First Post on TheChaseLounge.Net over a month ago, I have come to the Conclusion that there is Indeed a Very Special Connection BetweenThe Sopranos,2001: A Space Odyssey,and 9/11. I was able to Find more Connections Between - 2001: A Space Odysseyand 9/11 - by digging deeper, but not much. And I will NOT Be Stating Most of these Connections here, simply Because Most of these Connections seem to be (to me at least) - "Conspiracy Theories" that people have conjured up - Instead Of Anything That I Would Consider As Deep/Meaningful. I will state only TWO CONNECTIONS that I Considered worthy of Posting Here:

1. THE MONOLITH IN THE FILM 2001: A Space Odyssey IS DESCRIBED (AND SORT OF LOOKS AKIN & OF SIMILAR CHARACTER) TO THE TOWER BUILDINGS. If people reading this have never seen the Film 2001: A Space Odyssey nor the Television Series The Sopranos, DO NOT WORRY about understanding all of everything that I am talking about here. I go INTO DETAIL about Both Works (in relation to this Discussion & Spirituality & Knowledge/Science Only, and nothing more) in my Posts below and on the 2nd & 3rd page also - basically all the way until the end (also, all the Comments/Replies from others on this page and Page 2 & Page 3 are all very important in Understanding all the Themes, and How They Are Connected).

2. I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS APPROPRIATE TO STATE THIS OR HOW IT WOULD MAKE OTHERS FEEL. IT CERTAINLY MADE ME FEEL AWKWARD EVEN JUST THINKING OR WRITING ABOUT IT. AND IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT FOR ME, BUT HERE GOES - One of the suicide terrorists (as a pilot in one of the airplanes) was born in the year 1968 [when the FILM was Made & Aired] and obviously died in the year 2001; David Bowman died in the year 2001 in the Film itself. And also, obviously the year 2001 is referencing the Title of the Film itself. Also, [this is very difficult for me to state and it is what I was absolutely not looking forward to, but I feel is necessary] - one of the deadliest attacks was the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995, in which the individual behind that event was also born in 1968, and also died in 2001.

So, the year 1968 Refers to - the Birth of the Film and the Birth of those above mentioned.

The year 2001 Refers to - the Ending of the Film and the Ending (of the PHYSICAL EXISTENCE AT LEAST) of those above mentioned.

ONCE AGAIN I GO INTO DETAIL ABOUT THE FILM AND THE TELEVISION SERIES IN MY POSTS DOWN BELOW. I ALSO HAVE MADE A STRUCTURED ORDER THAT IS MEANT TO BE READ FROM THE FIRST POST UNTIL THE LAST POST (so I suggest not skipping and jumping around, but of course that is totally up you, as well as totally up to you if you decide to read everything, or anything at all, that I have posted. But do not judge what I am writing until you have read EVERYTHING up until the end of the 2nd & 3rd Page. That is my only request here).

THREE Connections BetweenThe Sopranosand 9/11that I Considered worthy of Posting Here:

1. THE VERY FIRST EPISODE THAT AIRS FOLLOWING THE AFTERMATH OF 9/11 - AIRS ALMOST A YEAR LATER (OR MAYBE MORE). THIS EPISODE IS 4.01 For All Debts Public and Private. IN THIS EPISODE, IT SEEMS AS THOUGH DAVID CHASE IS SORT OF "JOKING" OR "TOYING" ABOUT THE CONCEPT OF 9/11 (REMEMBER THE SCENES BETWEEN TONY SOPRANO AND BOBBY BACALA CONVERSING ABOUT NOSTRADAMUS AND THE HUNCHBACK OF NOTRE DAME?). THIS POINTS ME TO BELIEVING THAT DAVID CHASE IS PERHAPS IMPLYING THAT WE SHOULD NOT BE BOGGLED DOWN - BY WHAT THESE UNENLIGHTENED PEOPLE DID TO INNOCENT & HARD-WORKING PEOPLE - BUT RATHER MOVE ON AND NOT LET THESE UNENLIGHTENED PEOPLE DESTROY EVERY ASPECT OF OUR LIVES. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SHARE THE FOLLOWING LINK: https://sopranosautopsy.com/season-4-2/ ... vate-4-01/.

2. THE OPENING CREDITS OF EVERY EPISODE OF THE The Sopranos - UP UNTIL SEASON 4 - INCLUDES AN IMAGE OF THE TWIN TOWERS IN TONY'S CAR MIRROR. IN 4.01 For All Debts Public and Private, AS WELL AS EVERY EPISODE AFTERWARDS, THIS IMAGE IS NOT SEEN.

3. THE SONG THAT BOTH OPENS UP & CLOSES OUT THE EPISODE 4.01 For All Debts Public and Private, is Speak About Destruction, BY THE BAND Time Zone. OBVIOUSLY THIS IS REFERENCING THE “Destruction” THAT CAUSED/RESULTED FROM 9/11, AND ALSO IT IS REFERENCING THE “Destruction” THAT AMERICA IS CAUSING UPON ITSELF BY PLACING MORE VALUE ON MATERIAL POSSESSIONS AND MONEY (“For All Debts Public and Private”) over actual, important Life values (SUCH AS DEEP CONNECTIONS WITH OTHERS - instead of connections with our cars, phones, and other - superficial “technological” possessions).

The Connections BetweenThe Sopranosand 9/11 are just simply too difficult for me or anyone else to grasp (at least currently). The only aspect that I AM ENTIRELY CONVINCED ABOUTin regards to 9/11 andThe Sopranos - is that the scene with FBI Agent Harris is something Special, but I can’t point out exactly What that Special aspect is. It is Essentially the First Scene of the Final Episode - after Tony wakes up as if in a casket or coffin - and it is Completely Out Of Sequence, in terms of Time and/or Space, with the Entirety of the Remaining Scenes of The Final Episode. Maybe we will never know. It is truly one of the strangest things I have ever seen, and all I know with 100% Certainty at This Moment is that there is something Very Significant about it.

Nothing inThe Sopranosis done by accident, even down to the millisecond of every scene. Therefore, no Connection on the Series is "by accident."

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Highly-Evolved beings and thecivilizations that they create embraceprinciples and ways of being that createhighly beneficial outcomes for all

their civilizations are characterized bycooperation, harmony, and love rather thanconflict and fear

the net result is civilizations where freedom,prosperity, and happiness abound

their example serves as a great model forhumanity to emulate if it truly wants tocreate the better world that many of usare hoping for

what highly-evolved civilizations you ask?

well believe it or not, there are many highly-evolvedcivilizations within our galaxy and manymore beyond

there are two reasons thattheir existence is not apparent to us

i. most of them exist in higherdimensions of our physical universe sothey are not visible to us

ii. they aren't all that interested in directinteractions with a civilization asprimitive as ours, but rest assured thatmany of these civilizations are veryinterested in facilitating the evolutionof humanity, and are doing so in a numberof subtle ways behind the scenes

Let's dive into the top 10 characteristics of highly-evolved beings

number one they deeplyunderstand the unity of all life andthe congruency of life

highly-evolved beings know the onenessof all

they know we are all parts of asingular yet multi-threadedconsciousness

they know that any apparent separationis an illusion

because everything ispart of one thing

and it is all interconnected and interdependent

they know that any action they take upon another being or entityultimately affects everything else

this is the single most important realizationany being can have

it is the foundation ofof life

they deeply know that what they do to another, they areultimately doing to themselves

and hence they treat everyone in our infinite universewith great care and respect

number two they always tell the truth

highly-evolved beings always tell thetruth

they are essentially incapable of lying

they have deeply learned that deceivingthemselves or others is counterproductiveto achieving their highest intentions and desires

so, they have absolutely no interest in lying

but even if they did, any attempt to do sowould be easily detected by all thoselistening at the level of consciousnessof highly-evolved beings

their ability to sense energy and vibration is greatlyenhanced

in fact, everything is energy

thoughtsemotionetc.is just energy

and so, any attempt to communicate something that isuntrue would be readily apparent to alllistening at this level

a highly-evolved being cannotcommunicate something that is untrue andnot radically alter the energy they are emitting

in stark contrast - denial anddeception run rampant in humanity

we frequently lie to ourselves as well asothers and we are easily deceived

only by transcending separation-consciousness, only when we realize that we are all expressions of the same oneconsciousness, the same one being, and by embracing the unity and equality of alllife, will we eliminate the need todeceive and avoid all the associatedundesirable consequences

as an example of how we lie to ourselvesconsider the violence that is portrayedin our entertainment in its connectionto the increasing violence inour society

the portrayal of violence runsrampant in our movies, TV programs, inour video games, and even in our children's toys

you'd have a hard timeconvincing a highly-evolved being thatthe constant stream of violent images webombard our children with has no effectson their beliefs, attitudes, and behaviors

most of humanity on the other hand can't seem toadmit that the increasing violence inour society arises at least in part fromthe continual onslaught of such images

some do admit this - but we continually shut it out and move on with our daybecause we'd have to do something about it & we feel powerless so we just ignore it

this pattern of seeing self-damagingbehaviors and then doing nothing aboutthem is a classic sign of immaturebeings

we are extremely primitive and immature beings

highly-evolved beings never hidefrom the truth and they always speak thetruth

and of course, when they speak thetruth - they also take the appropriateaction

number three they always do what they say

highly-evolved beings have a habit ofspeaking their truth and they also havea habit of following through with whatthey say they will do, whether it is saidto others or to themselves

their actions are always consistent with their words

they don't say one thing and do another

humans on the other hand often say onething and do another and then ignore,deny, or lie about it

obvious examples abound

For highly-evolved beingsstaying true to their word is a matter ofhonor and integrity

if they don't thinkthey'll be likely or able to dosomething they don't say it

if on the other hand they meant whatthey said but later they find they can'tkeep their words because of unexpectedcircumstances, they will face it squarelyand go talk to everyone involved toclear it up

they will humbly and truthfully explainwhy they won't be able to do what they said

number four they always do whatworks

when highly-evolved beings see aless-than-desirable situation and haveunderstood why it exists, they alwaysrespond with something that works

they do not ignore it, deny that it exists,cover it up, do something that doesn'taddress the true problem,

or in some other way fail to take appropriateaction - as is often the case with humanity

examples abound

here are a fewof them

if our goal is to live a life ofpeace, joy, and love which I sincerelyhope it is - then violence does not work

this is immensely obvious if you takebut a moment to contemplate history

then consuming meat dailysmoking known carcinogens continuouslyand drinking alcohol regularly does not work

this has been amply proven yet many of uscontinue with these habits

if our goal is a society free of violence and war,

then the modeling of violent behaviorsand attitudes to children via our entertainment and toys which has clearlybeen proven to facilitate the adoptionof those violent tendencies does notwork and would be stopped immediately

yet we do nothing

number five they never kill each other

highly-evolved beings never under anycircumstances kill another incarnatebeing unless specifically asked by theother to do so

they no longer create situationswhere they would find themselves needingto kill

they haveawakened to their oneness

as a result of this spiritual awakening, everyaspect of their attitudes and behaviorshave changed dramatically

when humanity fully awakens, then all the conflict will end

no more killing & no more dog-eat-dog world

instead, we will find ways to share everything andcooperate on a grand scale

this newfound level of cooperation andsharing will create an unprecedentedlevel of prosperity and happiness forall, and no one will ever have any reasonto attack or defend

physicallyemotionally financially etc. for any reason ever again

in the rare case that an unenlightenedperson chose to mortally attack you,you would simply allow yourself to be killedknowing that death is an illusion andpeacefully exit physicality & returnto your eternal non-physical self in existence

you would not choose toperpetuate more violence just for thesurvival of your physical body which isnot you - it's just a temporary vehicle

when you know that the real you can'tdie, it changes everything

the body is merely a garment

therefore - go seek the wearer - not the cloak Rumi

but what if we were attacked by another civilizationyou might ask

don't we have to worryabout another civilization coming toEarth one day and destroying us?

all I'll say about this is that our fear of this scenario is beingencouraged by a whole slew of alieninvasion movies and the like

Given the benevolent extraterrestrial presencei.e. highly-evolved civilizations trying to gentlyfacilitate the Awakening and Evolutionof humanity, it makes you wonder if thisalien-fear-porn is the work of some agency with a disreputable baseor foundation, and no clear agendaor motive for higher-learning in themaking of these films

if you'd like to explore thistopic further then I suggest you lookinto the work of Dr. Steven Greer

he is the world's leading expert and mosttrustworthy source on theextra-terrestrial presence and who, why,and how it is being hidden from us

number six they never damagetheir environment

highly-evolved beings wouldnever do anything that could potentiallydamage or harm the physical environmentthat supports their society

they deeply understand and appreciate theinterconnection and interdependence of all life and they deeply appreciatethe environment that sustains them

they know that to continue to have their environment to provide for their needsand for the needs of all generations tocome then they must live sustainably

they must live in a way that is gentle,careful, and thoughtful to their natural environment

humanity on the other hand continues to demonstrate acallous disregard for their environmentusing and abusing it, and poisoning itand ourselves in the process

number seven they share everything witheveryone

there is no ownership in highlyevolved civilizations

there is no such thing as ownership

because they understand that since they are all one,everything that exists belongs toeveryone that exists

and hence theyshare everything with everyone all the time

a far cry from humanity which generallyonly shares with others in very limitedcircumstances

we have an economic systemand mindset that encourages us toaccumulate as much material possessions and resourcesthat we can call our own

and that encourages a relative few to hoard themajority of the resources and wealth of the planet

to most of us, sharing everythingprobably seems completely impractical

it's very hard for us to imagine how sharingeverything could work but believe it or not it works verywell in highly-evolved civilizations

the idea of ownership is replaced by theconcept of stewardship-beings, and thosecivilizations mutually agree on who willhave stewardship responsibility for what

who will partner with whom and who willperform what functions

the person or persons that care for and manage a giventhing or resource e.g. the stewards do not take it as their own

they are simply responsible for managing it

it could be said that the resource is owned by thecommunity and the steward of theresource is taking care of it on behalfof the community, but of courseenlightened communities understand allresources are essentially gifts from theuniverse that are to be managedresponsibly and used fairly for allthose using it now and in the future

those who accept stewardship of anything,be it land or something else, do notimagine that they own it

they understandthat they are merely caring for andmanaging it for the benefit of the community

for instance, no one imaginedease that just because they are stewardsof a particular plot of land on theplanet on which they incarnated thatthey owned the minerals water andwhatever else is under that plot of landall the way down to the center of the Earth

nor does anyone imagine that theyown the air or the sky above aparticular plot of land as high as the sky goes

such ideas are absolutely ludicrous

highly-evolved beings and any debatesabout who owns the rights to whateverseems utterly pointless to beings whounderstand that they are all onea big stumbling block of connection

embracing the idea of no ownership is difficult for humanity

imagining how we would earn a livingwithout the profit motive that seems sostrongly linked to ownership seems impossible

but unlike humanity, highly-evolved civilizations donot view living as something you have to earn

systems can easily be devised thatallows a society to fulfil individualand group needs without the members ofthat society having to sell their souland abandon their dreams to survive

many civilizations have created such systemsand have demonstrated that they workvery well, producing a high degree offreedom prosperity and happiness for all

highly-evolved beings also have adifferent way of looking at profit

they do not consider it profitable if oneindividual benefits at the expense of another

they do not consider ithonorable or acceptable if they get moreand another gets less

it might be said that they would measureprofitability by how well a stewardresource is managed and how well itprovides benefits to the members of thecommunity and hence they would likelydescribe the degree of success of anyventure by using the term beneficialrather than the term profitable

if you still think a society sharing everythingis unworkable consider that humanitymakes sharing work all the time - on a small scale with our loved ones and families

in this context, we generallycare for others no matter what,regardless of what they've done

what if we could extend our sense of familybeyond blood relatives

what if we could start by caring about everyone inour community with that same type of bondand the same sense of connection that wehave for our family members and thenwhat if we could extend it to everyonein our country and then our world

this is the difference between highly-evolvedcivilizations and humanity

they feel that same connection - the same amount ofcompassion care and love for everyone intheir society

when you begin to stop seeing others as outsiders

when you begin to transcendthat mentality

you are on the verge of abreakthrough in the evolution of yourconsciousness

when you can treat everysingle person with kindness and respectno matter what they have done, then youwill have transcended separation andyour soul will have powerfully aligned with theunconditional love of the source within you

one of the root impediments toadopting a sharing economy is the beliefthat there is not enough for everyone

which leads to people wanting to makesure - they get theirs

this somehow implies that if they wantto make sure they get theirs, someoneelse will have to do without,or at least with less to sustain happinessand vitality

this baseless assumption leads to qualities such as

possessivenessgreedhoarding etc.

the belief inscarcity is one of the key beliefs thatis responsible for creating the type ofworld we live in e.g. one characterized byconflict

the apparent scarcity of many things in our world is largely due to

unfair or inefficientdistribution, which is easily fixable

not any inherent scarcity

as a shameful example, there is actuallyenough food produced in this world for everyone

yet many continue to starve

and of course, much of the apparent scarcityin our world is intentionallymanufactured - by commercial interests tomaximize profits or by distributionstrategies based on profit-onlymentalities which leaves many withouteven though there is plenty

and imagine

if all of the energy and resourcesinvested in the world's war machines wasapplied to everyone's welfare

we could easily solve most if not all of theworld’s inequities

because highly evolved-civilizations work cooperatively,share everything, tell and face the truth,

& do what works,

they rarely experiencescarcity

but even more deeply, highly-evolvedbeings have transcended scarcityaltogether because they understandMetaphysics

and know that they arecreating their reality with their thoughts and beliefs and so ultimatelyscarcity is an illusion which isself-created

number eight they work togethercooperatively

there is no competition

highly-evolved beings never compete withone another

they deeply know the onenessof all and that what they do to anotherthey ultimately do to themselves so theywork together for the greater good of all

they cannot bring themselves to gain at the expenseof another and so competitionall but disappears in their civilizations

when enlightened beings see the truth they do what works

the strategy that works the best in the longrun is cooperation and sharing

humanity has a long way to go in this regard

competition at every level runs rampant

we have convinced ourselves thatcompetition is healthy

that it motivatesand produces more efficient outcomesand in the short-term it often does

but in the long-run it creates greatinequities

we have fallen into endlessand often ruthless competitions foreverything including

moneypowerfameloveattentionsexeverything and it is killing us

Franklin D. Roosevelt theenlightened 32nd President of the UnitedStates echoed this sentiment when he talkedabout competition in relation tocooperation:

“Competition has been shown to be usefulup to a certain point and no further butcooperation which is the thing we muststrive for today begins wherecompetition leaves off.”

number 9 they do not embrace the principles of Justiceand Punishment

highly-evolved societiesdo not embrace the principles that werefer to as justice and punishment

enlightened beings understand that anybeing that acts to harm another

is

deeply wounded, deeply in pain, and thattheir acts are simply a cry for help,a cry for love

therefore, they do not attemptto bring those that have done harm to “justice.” They do not attempt to punish them

they have found that in the long-run this approach israrely effective

instead they reach out with compassion and love to help heal them

they try to help heal these peoplein whatever way seems appropriate andeffective, and they understand thatjudging and punishing is rarely effective

because it does not heal a person's corewounds and therefore alter their way ofbeing or behavior

they know that doing so will likely only deepen and sustain the wounds and the problem

they know that onlylove can heal all woundsand transform people

but how can a society function without laws in a judicialprocess, and without the threat of punishment andincarceration that is the cornerstone of this system?

how can being co-existent be achievablewithout some sort of code of conduct andassociated disciplinary system?

the code of conduct of highly-evolved beings iselegantly simple

do not think, say, or doanything to another that you would notwant to have thought, said, or done to you

sound familiar?

every Religion on our planet teaches some version of whatwe've called the Golden Rule

the difference between human societiesand highly-evolved civilizations is thatthey actually apply the Golden Rule intheir lives rather than just giving itlip service

but what happens in thesecivilizations if someone breaks theGolden Rule?

is it considered a crime?

believe it or not there is no such thingas crime and punishment in highly-evolved civilizations

no one commits a crime because everyone understands thatthey are all one

and that an offense against or harm to another - is really an offense against or harm to their own self

this is the foundation of Life, it is the Golden Rule

and since there are no crimes there is no need of what wemight call justice

in fact, the concept of justice is interpreted and expressed ina different way

not as punishment

but asappropriate action

and in most cases theappropriate action is far different thanwhat would occur in our society

a typical example is rather thanpunishment and incarceration, the actionthat would be taken would be support

in other words, in these civilizations: justice is an action upon youjustice is not a reaction against you

justice is an action, not a reaction

More specifically,

Justice is a positive Action (+) to allow learning to take place a higher consciousness to be achieved and love to enter the soul

Justice is not a negative re-action (-) such as punishment that does not fix the behavior & which ultimately hinders learning and love

Justice is a positive Action (+) to allow learning to take place a higher consciousness to be achieved and love to enter the soul

No one said this would happen overnight. It could take multiple Reincarnation lives. It could take light years in different physical forms to achieve.

The purpose of you, as a soul, is to learn through repeated bouts of hardship.

A lesson will continue to present itself to you until you finally get the message and understand.

And this is not to say that you are: Unaware, or that you do not want to change. Most of us are aware of the challenges that have been placed before us and these challenges have been very difficult.

You are a soul, destined for love and growth.

You have an infinite existence.

You have an infinite expansion for love,and growth, and knowledge, & imagination.

You have an infinite space for growth.

Believe it or not there are many, many dimensions beyond our currently perceived 3rd dimension. There is a 4th and 5th and 8th dimension. There is a 12th dimension.

Imagine being granted a Permanent Residence in the Unverse as a star, Infinitely Connected to Everything.

If a hardship was placed upon you by another human being during your temporary visit on Earth, maybe even physical harm leading to injury or death, or anything at all. This is not a punishment on you.

Nothing is punishment. Experience is everything. Your soul will experience growth as a result.

Not all of us have heard our true soul calling out to us yet. That’s not to say that we are behind.

Each and every soul has their own journey and their own learning ahead.

This is a free universe, and we are all free & sovereign souls within it.

characteristic number 10 of Highly-Evolved Beings

they do not believe in or experience lack

highly-evolved beings know that lack is a selfcreated experience and they havetranscended it

they understand Metaphysics deeply and know that theyare Eternal beings

that their ultimate essence is pure consciousness,non-physical and formless

and hence they do not fear death

and are not concernedabout their survival when survival isn'tthe issue

the idea of lack is dissolved throughtheir knowing that they arecreators

their reality is created by their individual

thoughtsbeliefsintentionsand desires

and hence what they can experience islimited only to what they can imagine,and they have gotten very good atimagining only an abundance of health, happiness, and prosperity

this level of consciousness is sometimes referred toas Creator consciousness

versus Victim consciousness which humanity often practices

at the level of existence of highly-evolvedcivilizations abundance is guaranteed

they are no longer concerned with whether they will surviveor have enough, but in what manner theywill live life to its fullest and createwonderful experiences for all

humanity is far from this level of consciousness

fear of not having enough and survivalruns deep

it is one of the core reasons why there is so much

conflictinequitiesand sufferingin the human world

but most of the perceived shortages on the planet are illusory

a good example is the supply of food onour world

over 650 human children dieof starvation - every hour which seems toindicate there is a shortage of food yethumans scrape enough food off of individual plates inrestaurants to feed whole countries

no child needs to starve to death

the U.S. Department of Agriculture estimates foodwaste in the United States alone to be about 30 to 40 percent of the foodsupply in that nation

Two side notes

1. - These numbers are RIDICULOUS by any standards. Our children in the world are starving and dying yet we are wasting almost all the food. This is a disgrace to humanity.

- We are so primitive as a species and yet we don’t know it. Or don’t acknowledge it. Most people in America are not curious about the universe and they don’t want to learn about anything. All they want to do is just go to work and come home and watch TV.

- Most never pick up a book, or anything at all, to read say I don’t know about physics, or science, or literature, or history, a fiction or non-fiction novel, or anything that interests them - culture or religion or philosophy or art it doesn’t matter.Education is Education. And The truth is, nothing is separate, everything’s connected.

- Even monkeys were curious- and wanted to learn- and understood the concept, to an extent at least, of higher beings - and had a certain humbleness about them

In contrast to humanity, almost no humility. No humbleness.Most people think we are so advanced because we have technology. This is not true.

- “Technology” is not Advancement. Maybe it was, but up to a point. And that’s still just a maybe. But DEFINITELY NOT ANYMORE.

- We have gotten to a point many years ago where It will undoubtedly ruin us in the long run because we are forsaking deep & spiritual connections with others.

- KNOWLEDGE & IMAGINATION is ADVANCEMENT.

- EVOLUTION IS ADVANCEMENT.

- Instead of using technology ALL the time, how about we understand true meaningful relationships, not with our machines, but instead spend just a little time with

We have lost our curiosity for higher learning because gaining material possessions without any degree of work ethic or responsibility seem more important (“rap” music and the like teach this to our children).

Education should never stop, it enriches all aspects of life.

Most people will not be able to tell you the last book they have read. Because they probablyhave never read ANYTHING outside of necessary school stuff. Even then, I doubt they truly did.

Or in general anything that they have read recently at all.

A poem, a journal, research article, medical science, business article, ANYTHING.Or have wrote their thoughts down to expand their imagination.Or anything else that is positive and opens portals, such as Traveling & understanding other cultures or being part of a sports team and building connections. Not just watching TV.

Most of society thinks that humans are “advanced.” This is not true.

Children are starving and we are throwing away food every day, enough to feed all the children of our world. And yet people think humans are evolutionarily advanced. We are NOT.

Nobody even cares. Mind is closed. Out of sight & Out of mind.

Solution is so simple. Everyone knows how simple it is. Don’t throw away the food in the garbage and devisea system to give it to the children.

Why NOT make it a priority?

Well because we believe we can’t make a difference, and it’s not so simple. Especially in countries we don’t have good relationships with.

However, THESE ARE OUR CHILDREN. All of ours. Together. Yet we can’t figure out how to make it a priority to give them the food that is being thrown in the trash. At the very least in some countries where they need it.

Which brings me to my next point. If people had a greater imagination, we can actually do anything we wanted. The above statement about feeding our children alone proves to me how primitive a species we are. So, I will be talking about our next step in evolution and how it involves both our minds (higher awareness and consciousness) & our souls. Believe it or not, we have a very limited notion that there is only a 3rd-dimensionality type of universe, when in fact there are probably countless dimensions that we don’t know about. Other human beings have been there. I am talking about Extremely Intelligent beings that did not tell it to us directly, but gave us hints to figure it out (I am talking about David Chase & Stanley Kubrick in particular). In other words, we can trust their accounts because extremely intelligent human beings would not lie just for the sake of lying, or exaggerate just for the sake of exaggerating.

2. I apologize to my friends & family here at TheChaseLounge.Net had to get a little judgmental there. Got it out of my system now I promise. After all i am just a primitive being who makes the same mistakes over again, I'm not a highly evolved being :). And my true friends and family know that I love everyone.

I've been reading and researching this topic (about our souls) for the past year and 1/2 of my life so trust me i am not writing this just with some impulse. i just never found a way to connect everything together.

I am an extremely proud & dedicated fan of this series. Don't let the date of when I joined this forum say anything different (December of 2017; only a few months ago).

I have been coming here for years to read all of the intelligent and brilliant posts that we have all come to know and love.

Some aspects of Life I have been focusing on for the past year:-I am trying to figure out how to have my first spiritual journey or my first odyssey going into the next dimension, an out of body experience

- Or maybe I will just try to raise my energy vibration and frequency (start out small)

- Or maybe I can try to open my third eye

- Or allow HIGHER AWARENESS in through a different route, like my pineal gland

Some hints that were given to us, but this is just the start of a long analysis:Journey = David ChaseOdyssey = Stanley Kubrick

ok so let’s continue on our Journey:

over 650 human children dieof starvation - every hour which seems toindicate there is a shortage of food yethumans scrape enough food off of individual plates inrestaurants to feed whole countries

no child needs to starve to death

the U.S. Department of Agriculture estimates foodwaste in the United States alone to be about 30 to 40 percent of the foodsupply in that nation

an estimated 133 billion poundsof food wasted

this is a situation thatwould never occur in highly-evolvedcivilizations

they would simply make ita priority to figure out how to solvethe issue

it is not a problem of lack of supply,just distribution which can be easily solved

they would figure out how toshare the food more effectively

conclusion we have explored some of thekey characteristics that distinguishhighly-evolved civilizations from othersthat are less so

“Education should never stop,it enriches all aspects of life.”

- Mr. Wegler

"It's physics. Schrödinger's Equation. The boxers, you, me - we're all part of the same quantum field. Think of the two boxers as ocean waves or currents of air, two tornadoes, say. They appear to be two things, right? Two separate things. But they're not. Tornadoes are just wind, the wind stirred up in different directions. The truth is, nothing is separate, everything's connected."

- John Schwinn (aka Mr. Wizard)

You may say I’m a dreamer,but I’m not the only one.

“Imagine let's be the change we wish to see in the world and create a wonderful new earth together.”

- John Lennon

"On the deepest psychological level the film's plot symbolizes the search for God, and it finally postulates what is little less than a scientific definition of God . . . The film revolves around this metaphysical conception, and the realistic hardware and the documentary feelings about everything were necessary in order to undermine your built-in resistance to the poetical concept.”

- Stanley Kubrick, in an interview with Rolling Stone magazine

“I will say that the God concept is at the heart of 2001 but not any traditional, anthropomorphic image of God. I don't believe in any of Earth's monotheistic religions, but I do believe that one can construct an intriguing scientific definition of God, once you accept the fact that there are approximately 100 billion stars in our galaxy alone, that each star is a life-giving sun and that there are approximately 100 billion galaxies in just the visible universe. Given a planet in a stable orbit, not too hot and not too cold, and given a few billion years of chance chemical reactions created by the interaction of a sun's energy on the planet's chemicals, it's fairly certain that life in one form or another will eventually emerge. It's reasonable to assume that there must be, in fact, countless billions of such planets where biological life has arisen, and the odds of some proportion of such life developing intelligence are high. Now, the sun is by no means an old star, and its planets are mere children in cosmic age, so it seems likely that there are billions of planets in the universe not only where intelligent life is on a lower scale than man but other billions where it is approximately equal and others still where it is hundreds of thousands of millions of years in advance of us. When you think of the giant technological strides that man has made in a few millennia—less than a microsecond in the chronology of the universe—can you imagine the evolutionary development that much older life forms have taken? They may have progressed from biological species, which are fragile shells for the mind at best, into immortal machine entities—and then, over innumerable eons, they could emerge from the chrysalis of matter transformed into beings of pure energy and spirit. Their potentialities would be limitless and their intelligence ungraspable by humans.”

- Stanley Kubrick, in an interview with Playboy

In the same interview, he also blames the poor critical [at that time] reaction to 2001 as follows:“Perhaps there is a certain element of the lumpen literati that is so dogmatically atheist and materialist and Earth-bound that it finds the grandeur of space and the myriad mysteries of cosmic intelligence anathema.”

Interpretation of quotes from Stanley Kubrick

Wow that’s a lot to take in from Mr. Kubrick, and I honestly had to look up almost every word that he spoke in that last paragraph. This is going to be my attempt at understanding.

What did Stanley Kubrick mean by the God and science talk? Well basically after much research and reading, I myself came up with the following.

Highly-evolved beingscan be thought of as almost pure in essence

They are god.

They are the stars. They are Energy.

Star = Soul = Higher Consciousness = Higher Awareness = Energy.

We are all but a Soul.

This is our Highest Form of Evolution that we can postulate at the moment i.e. To be connected in the Universe Infinitely. To help other Souls Evolve after we Evolve ourselves, whether it be helping other Souls that are in human form or any other physical form [i.e. aliens].

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This discussion will not deal with superficial connections or meanings such as “the Final scene of the Final Episode is scored to Journey - Don’t Stop Believing therefore Tony Soprano is on a Spiritual Journey - where his Soul is still Living or Believing.”

Although I can safely say that we can interpret David Chase’s intentions in any of a number of ways, my analysis will NOT state any type of superficial interpretations, such as the one I have provided above. My plan is to write only about DEEP/MEANINGFUL connections on the Series.

We have seen Tony Soprano's Soul in more than one instance on the Series.

Once was during the Final Episode (where it was VERY UNCLEAR where he was in terms of Space AND Time [see my 1st post above]).

Another instance was somewhere else.

Tony Soprano/Kevin FinnertyIn (6.02 Join The Club) and (6.03 Mayham) Tony Soprano is in the hospital after being shot by his uncle, who was in a state of dementia at the time. The episode starts off thinking that we are once again in one of Tony’s dreams, but the dream state seems completely different this time. We can’t exactly point it out but something is very different about it. We know it’s not real life, because everyone seems to think that Tony Soprano is KF (Kevin Finnerty), so we know it must be a dream. In addition, Tony contains in his possessions KF’s wallet and ID and briefcase, not his own.

We keep thinking it’s a dream but it doesn’t contain any of the surreal or ethereal dream-like qualities that David Chase has become so famous for, and has presented to us time and time again. Everything seems linear, connected. So, where are we?

Many people have interpreted this as Tony being in purgatory, which is certainly possible, and I am not opposed to any interpretation of meaning conveyed by fans of David Chase. But I take it as meaning something else.Tony’s true soul is calling to him in a type of coma-induced spiritual revelation. His soul is truly calling out in a desperate attempt to change.

As FlyOnMelfisWall has so brilliantly pointed out to us (not a direct quote from her, I don't remember exactly where/which thread I read the following from, but it was very similar):

We finally see the change we've been wanting Tony to make for so long. In the coma, Tony, as Kevin Finnerty, is unable to cheat on his wife. He wants to, as is evidenced by him kissing another woman (which is a form of cheating, of course), but he ultimately remains faithful in his mind because he does not sleep with her (baby steps I guess). I find it very powerful that the same exact message was shown to us later in the season when Tony couldn’t sleep with Julianna in real life and came home to Carmela feeling that he has accomplished something. And he did in that instance. He was finally growing and learning that Carmela was the best thing that ever happened in his life.

More on that later, let’s get back to the coma-induced spiritualism for now. In the coma, he books a hotel room with Kevin Finnerty’s credit card and feels horrible about it. “Its fraud,” he tells his wife on the phone in one of the sincerest ways we have ever heard him speak. Contrast this to (5.11 The Test Dream) when the Concierge service at the Plaza Hotel in NYC says to Tony “thank you, Mr. Petraglia,” obviously voicing to us that he has stolen Mr. Petraglia’s credit card and doesn't care so much. And now, on the brink of death, as he is lying in a coma in the hospital – he is voicing his regret in his coma - of the life of crime that he led.

Now let’s take a closer look at the name Finnerty.Lexus, Infinity? - Patron at the bar.As the patron from the bar in Tony's coma points out for us, Finnerty sounds similar to the word "infinity."

And As SilvioMancini has pointed out for us in his topic thread (I posted the link to his topic thread multiple times in my 1st post above, but I will post it again here), Finnerty contains the anagram "infinity" hidden in it.

(if you rearrange FINnerTY = IN-FIN-ITY).

As in - we are experiencing Tony’s soul trying to change, and that Life is Indeed Infinite.

[See SilvioMancini's thread for more Infinite Connections, such as when Bobby Bacala dies and goes on to "The Infinite." Once again here is the link to his Excellent Thread: viewtopic.php?t=2930. It is A LOT of material but definitely worth reading up on].

Monks from the coma very clearly say the following:

“You see that tree over there? When we die we become that tree. No you, no me.”

I take this as meaning we are truly Connected to Everything. We are all One.

In (6.04 The Fleshy Part of the Thigh), which is the episode immediately following the coma (and probably my favorite episode of the entire series [although that decision was - and still is - one of the toughest decisions ever, simply because I love every episode, as so many Sopranos/Chase fans do]), Tony wakes from the coma. He meets physicist John Schwinn (of “Bell Labs”) in the hospital, who uses Schrodinger’s Equation of Physics to once again tell Tony that Everything & All is Connected.

IF IT’S NOT OBVIOUS WHAT I AM TRYING TO CONVEY JUST WITH THESE FEW EXAMPLES, DAVID CHASE HAS TREATED SPIRITUALITY AS A TOP PRIORITY.I HAVE MANY, MANY EXAMPLES IN MY HEAD. FOR EXAMPLE, THE LIGHT IN TONY'S COMA IS SIMILAR TO THE LIGHT THAT CARMELA SAW IN PARIS AND CONNECTS DIRECTLY WITH STANLEY KUBRICK'S FILM. AS ANOTHER EXAMPLE, PAULIE'S VISIT TO THE PSYCHIC IN SEASON TWO. AS ANOTHER EXAMPLE, CHRISTOPHER'S HOSPITAL STAY WHEN HE WAS SHOT IN SEASON TWO. AS ANOTHER EXAMPLE, THE ORANGE CAT IN 6.21 MADE IN AMERICA. I COULD KEEP GOING BUT YOU GET THE IDEA. DAVID CHASE IS STATING SUBLIMINALLY & QUITE INTELLIGENTLY DURING TONY’S HOSPITAL STAY THAT OUR SOULS ARE ALL INDEED CONNECTED (“You see that tree over there? When we die we become that tree. No you, no me.” – Monks from the coma essentially stating that we are all indeed Connected somehow in the Universe).

"Are Sin, Disease, and Death real?"- TV Commercial from coma (No, they are NOT "real," IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS THAT IS. They are illusory. We become Reincarnated after we die. We learn from our sins in different physical forms until we finally get the message and understand. Also, they are not "real" because sin, disease, and death can be interpreted in different ways by different people/beings. I go into detail about ALL OF THIS [i.e. the topics of uncertainty & different interpretations] in my 4th post, which is the very next post below, Our evolution, Part III, 2001: A Space Odyssey).

I am GOING TO STOP any further analysis of THE SOPRANOS for the rest of this topic of Our Evolution. I will be incorporating some analysis of the series sprinkled into my next future posts, but not much. Two reasons for this:

1. Mostly everything I want to convey about the series has already been stated in other posts, and I am Eternally Grateful for this Discussion Forum & Others.

2. We will truthfully be here indefinitely if I state, quote, or cite all of the Connections that David Chase has made.

Before we go any further, I just want to state this: FlyOnMelfisWall has articulated for us on MORE THAN ONE OCCASION how we are One With The Universe & how Everything is Indeed Connected. These instances were articulated through the following scenes, at the very least:- The Las Vegas Scenes.- The Final Scene of the Entire Series.

Once again, I will NOT be breaking the film down into sections. I feel like that will defeat the whole purpose of Stanley Kubrick’s vision.

In addition, I need all the explanations to flow rather than stop and start again. So no sections. One continuous flow.

AGAIN, I will be stating this: The following is just my interpretation, and I am not insisting or stating that any faith or religion is correct or incorrect, that one is superior or inferior over any other, or that any interpretation of life is wrong. I respect all faiths and I humbly and deeply believe that any interpretation of life has truly deep meaning.

I am NOT insisting that I am 100% correct about the film/novel or that only my interpretation is the “correct” one.

In fact, you will often see me contradicting myself.

**I believe this is necessary in order to ascend above the literal meaning of the film/novel.**

This film/novel has been HIGHLY debated since 1968, and people have been trying to figure out its meaning.

I don’t believe there is “one true meaning.” ALL INTERPRETATIONS HAVE MEANING.

It is Art as much as it is Science, and can be interpreted in any of a myriad of ways.

OK LET’S BEGIN.

We are all but a soul in our temporary physical body. And ultimately, through evolution, we can ascend into the infinite universe. Soul = energy = star = everything is just energy. Its physics. Its science. Its proven. From accounts by highly intelligent people. Other souls who have evolved higher are gently trying to spark our higher consciousness (the Monolith in 2001 confused people so much but that’s what it ultimately represents). We need imagination, knowledge, and a healthy way of life here on earth to understand & ascend because it involves higher dimensions of the universe, and a purer essence. Pure essence means things like we do not kill or hurt others. We do not lie, ever. It’s honor. Competition is totally fine as long as it’s healthy and pure (e.g. not for gambling like money but for learning and growth. Sports, for example, as long as it is healthy & pure, and encourages exercise and teamwork). Your imagination makes up your world. And the truth is, nothing is separate, everything’s connected when we do ascend because our consciousness and energies (aka our soul, or star that resides in the infinite universe) become one with everything. This is why David Bowman becomes a Star-child at the end of the film. We do not have to realize this now, it could take many reincarnations into other lives until we finally understand. But you will never truly “die.” This is because, as a human, you have already evolved and achieved a high form of intelligence/energy/awareness/consciousness from a combination of all of your past lives. Your energy cannot just dissipate into nothingness at this point in your evolution when you die.

Ok fine it’s not even NEARLY that simple but I think I did an amazing job summing up what people have been confused about for so many years and are still confused about. You don’t have to agree with me. There’s a lot more to talk about. And it’s not so simple. In fact, a lot of people will probably disagree with me.

Even though I say I feel I did an “amazing job,” I go on to say that it’s not so simple. Am I contradicting myself? Yes of course I am. ABSOLUTELY.

Because nothing is simple by any degree in our universe, and everything is open to interpretation.

For example, apparently when opening up your soul to higher awareness there’s a multitude of uncomfortable physical symptoms that can take place. Headaches, fevers, chills etc.

Also, opening up your third eye to higher awareness prematurely (before you feel you are ready), carries with it many ‘dangerous’ spiritual consequences, and possibly physical consequences as well.

And I am confused by this. Trying to find out more.

And so, what I am trying to convey, is that there are many confusing aspects to all of this. And nobody on earth knows the answer to everything.

Difference in opinion matters, and I humbly respect every faith, religion, and belief that any human being holds.

I do not know the development/progression/growth/advancement/evolution of ideas of any religion that is practiced, and I am certainly unaware of any person’s circumstances surrounding such beliefs. Or circumstances surrounding their actions or anything at all for that matter.

I do not make any assumptions regarding life and I am open to any and all interpretations.

*I have stated above amply my deep respect for all thoughts, ideas and beliefs. Without difference in opinion or uncertainty, our universe becomes nothing. I do not believe my interpretation to be the “correct one.” When I say things like “it’s physics,” or “it’s science,” or “its proven,” I am merely stating that by the laws of physics and science the claim makes sense. I am not forcing you to accept the claim. Everything is open to interpretation, and what I convey is just that, only my own interpretation. If you have a different view and we have time, I would gladly read or listen to anything you want to convey. I would listen respectfully and with an open heart. I would listen mindfully and try to understand the full scope without dismissing anything prematurely. If anybody has a problem with this analysis/interpretation then stop reading; no one is forcing you to accept anything that you are against. I have written that out extensively, multiple times, and in multiple forms. And this is the last time that I will be stating it.

Written and done.

Also, as another example of “it’s not so simple,” we see David Bowman is traveling into what seems like a universal portal, like a black hole of sorts, towards the end of the film, before he turns into the Star-child. And we experience/visualize him interacting with different abstract shapes and colors, finally landing himself (and us) into the 5th dimension of the galaxy. Basically, a sort of grand deluxe hotel room floating in space and seeing HIMSELF into the future (he is using his own mind, his soul, and his imagination). He visualizes himself when he is older, and he subsequently becomes his own older self.

This transformation into his older self (maybe into his 40’s – 50’s) happens instantaneously & occurs with essentially no notion or sense of time having passed.

[Side Note: Does the term “abstract shapes and colors” bring anything to mind? In the Final episode (6.21 Made In America), Tony very clearly says to Paulie (referring to the orange cat and how it stares at Christopher’s picture) - “It’s the abstract shapes or something” in the picture - Christopher has moved on to "THE INFINITE." Just as Bobby Bacala did when he died. Just as Tony Soprano does by the end of the series. In other words, they all become Reincarnated. Explanation of this becomes very clear by the end of this post, and even more clear by the end of all the posts/replies in this whole topic thread.]

This happens once again. i.e. a transformation of David Bowman (in the film) - into his older self happens once again (this time into his 70’s – 80’s).

AndThis is the most important part of the whole film so pay attention if you are truly interested:

I am going to state the progression of events or the play-out of scenes right at the very end. He is sitting at a dinner table, a wine glass falls, he turns around and sees his older self for the second time, and this time it is his much older self (as I stated before – probably 70’s or 80’s) that he transforms into, on his death-bed. No universal portal this time, & once again this occurs with no sense of time having passed.

The falling of the wine glass is meant to symbolize a transition point (I don’t know, whatever, from every analysis/interpretation I have read they mention that, so I thought I’d include it).

Subsequently, on his death bed, he touches the Monolith, he dies, and a fetus is seen in outer space. He has become the Star-child, watching over the Earth. The film ends here.

I am going to explain everything in my own words after much research, reading etc. Everything that I have stated so far and am stating right now and will continue to state about the film is all in my own words. Not from Google, Not from Wikipedia. I believe it will help us understand much more because I will be building connections upon each other.

He has evolved, with his soul & his mind, and a Reincarnation has taken place.

A “Star-child,” which has more recently been referred to as an “Indigo-child” is described, by humans -->> as a human child who is born to human parents, however is extremely intelligent and humble beyond their respective years. For example, you would not expect a 5-year-old or a 7-year-old or a 10-year-old child to be extremely humble/intelligent. These RARE children have been described in history before. This is not something new.

Keep in mind that the film 2001: A Space Odyssey (and the corresponding novel, written by Arthur C. Clarke) were both made in 1968. So, this film is not something new either. (In other words, technological advancement since 1968, for example, has not gotten us anywhere higher in evolution except to bring out more war, terrorism, superficial connections, etc.)

David Bowman’s Reincarnation into a “Star-child” occurs simply because he has evolved with his Soul, Mind, Intelligence, Higher-Awareness, Higher-Consciousness, Imagination, and Pure-Essence compared to other human beings. Basically his Energy or his Star or his Soul that we have been talking about so many times up to this point.

Ok so David Bowman has evolved and his soul is essentially one with the universe. He now truly understands that he can never die. He becomes Reincarnated into the Star-child in order to come back to Earth and help the rest of us with our evolution.

Like I stated multiple times already, it’s not so simple. There is a plethora of other aspects to take into account, and multiple interpretations by a wide range of disciplines about this film (and the novel that goes along with it) have been postulated.

But I am trying to present it here in the simplest and most cohesive manner possible, just for understanding. And I think we are on a good track so far.

Let’s keep going. Ok so Bowman has evolved and later Reincarnation into the Star-child takes place. The next question your probably asking yourself is – he has evolved yes, because he is a near perfect human when he dies, and he is extremely pure in essence – but what happens to all of us else here on Earth who don’t maintain the capacity to evolve, that are not pure in essence, do we truly die?

No, not exactly. I don’t know. It’s complicated of course and I am, not in any way shape or form - equal to deconstructing this worldly and universal question. I will say it like this and I think it is the best way to state it, with 3 basic principles: One. He might be extremely pure in essence now but who knows what he has done in his past lives. What matters is growth.Two. Remember the Creator Consciousness we talked about before. Your imagination and spirituality is very important to your soul. If you play Victim Consciousness and blame everything on other things and don’t take responsibility, in other words if you imagine hell on earth then that’s what you will get, in this lifetime at least. But If you imagine yourself ascending up to the heavens your already on your way there.Number Three: as a human, you have already achieved a high form of intelligence/energy/awareness/consciousness from a combination of all of your past lives. Your energy cannot just dissipate into nothingness at this point in your evolution when you die. Remember the very basic rule of physics, chemistry, biology, all science, etc. we learned probably as early as elementary school: Energy Cannot Be Created or Destroyed, Only Transferred. And thus, everything is indeed connected through our soul, aka our energy.

I will write a little bit more about this topic of uncertainty in our universe later, as well as female/male energies, as well as the soul ascension process itself. Let’s just finish the film’s meaning for now at least.

I have mentioned the Monolith a few times already. I have been thinking how to attack this BEAST of a topic that has confused so many for so long. I think I have found a solution.

I have written out a completely MADE-UP Q&A which I constructed entirely myself.Followed by a very basic evolution timeline.

WHAT IS a Monolith?Literally it is just a block of stone. Nothing crazy or complex there.

But what does it signify in the film? I have stated this before already but of course I will state it again. Other souls or higher beings who have evolved higher are gently trying to spark our higher consciousness (the Monolith in 2001 confused people so much but that’s what it ultimately represents).

I don’t get it, what do you mean? Ok good question. Let me put it this way: there are other alien civilizations out there in our infinite universe. I don’t want to use the term “alien” civilizations because it has a negative connotation associated with it because of non-sense movies made on Earth. Let’s instead use the word neighbor. Our Universe has so many other planets and galaxies and stars that they are infinite. And therefore, life must arise in other places as well. And we actually have many, many neighbors.

The Universe is in fact, infinite. Always expanding, never shrinking. We are not the only living things in the Universe and we are not as highly advanced as we have been taught. The ones who are much higher evolutionarily advanced than us know that we exist because they are in fact, so advanced. We are not. They want to gently help us become advanced by showing us how.

Actually, not showing us how, but hinting it to us, in order for us to figure it out for ourselves, because that’s what evolution ultimately is -->> understand & evolve to the next stage.

The Monolith in the film can be thought of simply as a symbol, and nothing more. It is a symbol of what we need to do in order to progress to our next step of evolution. And it has been planted by a higher-evolved civilization to make us figure out what we need to do next.

It appears exactly four times in the film and remains exactly the same; it’s physical shape or structure does not change.

The Monolith appears exactly four times in the film in THIS order (and it’s physical shape or structure does not change):

i. The first time we see the Monolith is its discovery on Earth by monkeys (i.e. before humans inhabited the Earth). Monkeys see the Monolith and it “encourages” them somehow to start using tools or doing something with their hands (I don’t know what tools monkeys used – but let’s just say it was a small tool for rounding up fruits or breaking coconuts & they progressed to the next stage of evolution using tools/hands & therefore progressed to man eventually).

ii. The second time we see the Monolith is its discovery on the Moon in space. (Importance: nothing crazy, we just know that there is another Monolith, many years later, in space. We just know that it exists there, in space, that’s all).

iii. The third time we see the Monolith is when Man ENCOUNTERS the Monolith in Space. David Bowman approaches it around Jupiter and it helps him “realize” somehow that he can go on to higher dimensions. As Bowman approaches the Monolith around Jupiter, he enters the “Star-Gate” (aka the Universal portal I was describing before). The Star-gate leads him into the 5th dimension (basically his imagination and soul have “made it” [i.e. have made the 5th dimension] for him) and the last “part” or “section” of the film is titled JUPITER AND BEYOND THE INFINITE. These little details don’t matter. The Big Picture Matters: BEYOND THE INFINITE.

iv. After going through the Universal portal or Space portal or “Star-gate,” David Bowman is now in the 5th dimension. He transforms into his older self twice, one after the other, with no notion or sense of time having passed. He touches the Monolith when he is inside the 5th dimension as his older self. Subsequently, he dies and gets transformed (aka) Reincarnated into the “STAR-CHILD.”

I Know that was a lot to take in, but it’s not difficult, don’t worry.

In fact,

The explanation of the Monolith should be VERY SIMPLE by now (the little details don’t really matter):

THE MONOLITH IS a film symbol that just represents the

TRANSITION from one form of INTELLIGENT Evolution to the next

WITH THE HELP OF MUCH HIGHER-EVOLVED BEINGS.

Not directly, but via hinting it to us.

THAT’S IT. LITTLE DETAILS DON’T MATTER.(Such as what kind of tools the monkeys used or why David Bowman went to Jupiter out of all the planets instead of Saturn, for example).

I Remember reading a page on Wikipedia about the Monolith and it stated something like the following:

The Monolith in the film aids or encourages humankind to progress with ‘technological advancement’ through or during ‘space travel.’

This is WRONG.

This is exactly what I was talking about: people have been confused about this Monolith topic for decades and it’s EVEN WRONG ON THE WIKIPEDIA PAGE.

In other analyses/interpretations, people just seem to “agree with it” and “accept it.”

I FIND IT VERY POWERFUL (AS WELL AS IRONIC) THAT THE VERY THING THAT KUBRRICK WARNED US IN THE FILM THAT WOULD HAPPEN, ACTUALLY HAPPENED IN REAL LIFE MANY YEARS LATER.

INSTEAD OF USING THEIR IMAGINATION, PEOPLE JUST “ACCEPT” THIS WIKIPEDIA ARTICLE AND DON’T THINK FOR THEMSELVES.

THEY HAVE BECOME, ESSENTIALLY, ROBOTS THAT RELY ON COMPUTERS.

Why is the Wikipedia page wrong?

1. ***Because we don’t need to be in space physically in order to evolve, only spiritually.***

2. ***Also, we don’t need technology. In fact, our goal should be the complete opposite of furthering technological advancements.***

We don’t need technological advancements to evolve

The Monolith is a film symbol, as we have stated already, and it represents what we need to do in order to PROGRESS TO THE NEXT STAGE of Intelligent Evolution.

In other words, at DIFFERENT STAGES OF EVOLUTION, WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT (this should obviously make sense to us), EVEN THOUGH THE MONOLITH APPEARS THE SAME.

At first -->> Yes, using technology helped us. And using tools helped us.

But NOW -->> Mind, imagination, higher-awareness, & soul. Our soul can ascend from Earth, into different dimensions (we don’t need to be up in space with a spacecraft PHYSICALLY).

It should be fairly obvious that this is the reason why it is called, in fact, the soul ascension process (more about this very shortly, especially in relation to the film).

Brief explanation of the HAL computer in the film

- In the film HAL computer (which obviously represents technology in the film [IBM computers, apparently]) was DEPROGRAMMED OR SHUT OFF by human astronauts because it was BECOMING A THREAT ON THE SPACECRAFT ---->> TO HUMANS.

- * (Technology was becoming a threat to humans) *

- After HAL computer was shut off because it was a threat, the spacecraft also stopped working, David Bowman had to exit it, and was ALONE by himself in space (basically floating around).

- So After it was shut off, David Bowman was stuck in space by himself (without the spacecraft) when he entered the Star-Gate.

If it’s not OBVIOUS yet --->> No worries -->>>>I’ll simplify it.

1. “star-gate” LETS BREAK THAT DOWN

star = his soul

(star- -GATE) = HIS ENTRANCE (GATE) INTO THE 5TH DIMENSION [and thus into the universe and thus into space) ********(we don’t need the spacecraft) ********involved his star (his soul)without any spacecraft/computer needed.

2. He then evolved into the Star-Child - Just with his soul/aka his Energy/aka his star/aka his HIGHER-CONSCIOUSNESS/aka his HIGHER-AWARENESS/aka his INTELLIGENCE/aka pure essence

AND WITH

- “help” from the Monolith

[WE DON’T NEED TO BE IN SPACE PHYSICALLY TO DO THIS [NO SPACECRAFT] JUST WITH OUR SOUL [Star-gate: soul-entrance] IN ORDER TO EVOLVE]

Our Evolution timeline- I should include this for clearness, or completeness sake- Not researched by me AT ALL- All from memory and just a basic representation from my mind- Take it how you will

Our Past Life on earth starts -->> Simple one-celled organisms -->> Eventually fish & the like in water -->> Fish & the like from water (aka amphibians) start emerging onto the land -->> We become land organisms -->> Eventually bipedal creatures (walking on 2 legs) -->> Eventually The Great Apes (Remember Lucy?) this is where tools become important for us (because monkeys had hands they could use tools) -->> Cavemen as we all know this is where tools AND our physical body become much more important (opposable thumbs) -->> Eventually Humans with higher intelligence .

Our Future Star-child or at least something of the like & this is where higher dimensions become apparent & important to us -->> Continuously higher & higher evolved & this is where Creator Consciousness & Metaphysics become much more important -->> EONS will pass -->> We get to help other Souls become almost 100% Pure Essence -->> Eventual Ubermensch (aka we become Gods within our own right in the universe [and there is infinite potential for each soul to do this]), Connected.

(I will also get into Ubermensch soon don’t worry)

I am trying to connect everything as simply as possible and I think we are progressing smoothly so far. Other interpretations break the film/novel into sections OR start at the very beginning, trying to explain every little detail, and trying to prove they are “right.” I am doing whatever I want to make it smooth, starting anywhere I feel relevant, and providing anything I feel relevant, and I don’t care if anyone agrees or disagrees. I believe this is how Stanley Kubrick wanted us to sort of envision it. In other words, we don’t need to take a literal meaning to everything, but rather use our imagination and knowledge to make connections. I talked about the Ubermensch above, so let’s jump into music/philosophy and make another connection.

Music Space odyssey soundtracki. Famous evolution music. Whenever we hear this song we think of evolution or change or transition or growth of some kind.

I feel like it has been subconsciously planted in our minds even though most people in current society have never seen the film.

You may not know the name of the song but when you play it, you know exactly what you are hearing: either a change or transition of some kind and/or monkeys.

Anywhere this song is played, no matter in what country (if they allow music),I believe that people would agree generally with what I said above.

i.e. that the thought of monkeys and/or transition (evolution) instantaneously comes into thought or into view.

I personally even HEAR monkeys, playing with cymbals and jumping around, in there when the original song is played. Even though there are none.

The name of the song is: Also Spoke Zarathrusta.

[THERE ARE MORE SONGS on the soundtrack, all with different kinds of meaning, all very important as well, but I think I’m going to leave it here for the soundtrack as far as explaining goes because if I explain everything in the film, that would take us ages.]

ii. Another song from the soundtrack -->>[Side Note, taken from the thread by Silviomancini:”Requiem for SOPRANO, Mezzo-SOPRANO, 2 Mixed Choirs and Orchestra – by György Ligeti, The Bavarian Radio Orchestra, Francis Travis.

György Ligeti's Requiem is heard Three times; all of them during appearances of The Monolith. The first is it's encounter with apes just before the Zarathrusta-accompanied ape discovery of the tool(s). The second is The Monolith's discovery on the Moon, and the third is [David] Bowman's approach to it (approach to the Monolith) around Jupiter just before he enters the Star-Gate. This last sequence with the Requiem has much more movement in it than the first two, and it transitions directly into the music from Ligeti's Atmosphères (iii. another song on the soundtrack), which is heard when [David] Bowman actually enters the Star-Gate."

(Zarathrusta-accompanied just means Evolution-accompanied or Transition-accompanied).

"NO MUSIC is heard during The Monolith's much briefer Final appearance in David Bowman's celestial bedroom [when he touches The Monolith at the end], which immediately precedes the Zarathrusta-accompanied transformation of [David] Bowman into the Star-Child."

[Side Note: NO MUSIC is heard (or anything at all; no sounds or music, for that matter) during Final Ending-scene of The Sopranos.]

"So notice the connections here. Also, Chase has not been shy in the media about his affection for the movie 2001: A Space Odyssey."]

For example, "Dropping acid and watching 2001: A Space Odyssey was the best times of my life." - David Chase

The song Also Spoke Zarathrusta (the 1st song above on the soundtrack of the Film) connects directly with Ubermensch. The song is understandably significant as conveying Evolution. The question becomes -- Evolution into what?

Ubermensch is a word with German origins and it means essentially a human who has become Superman; a human who has become God. In other words, the ideal human or pure-essence human.

And the song is actually from a poem by Richard Strauss, who in turn was inspired by a famous novel by philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche. Nietzsche wrote a novel named Thus Spoke Zarathrusta. I am not going to write about this philosophy as it is extremely controversial, and has been the subject of many fueled debates. Nietzsche’s philosophy has been compared (by many) to an American philosopher by the name of H.L. Mencken, who also held very controversial beliefs.

I will now be adding beliefs that are important in understanding all of this. As promised, I will write a little bit about the ascension process, female/male energies, and uncertainty. First of all, I just want to say that in order to understand this ascension-evolution principle, there are indeed many confusing aspects to all of this, and people who are truly intelligent realize that there is no one answer to anything at all in life, really. Their mind and soul is open.

Every soul has their own mix of energy and imagination and perception to view the universe through. Everyone is at truly different energy levels.

But once we can understand that everything is just an illusion created by our limited notion of this life on earth (in other words, created by our limited 3-D mindset and our fleeting, transient physical bodies - which are just a cloak to hide what’s really within) here on earth, we start to accept this ascension and evolution principle. I will go into detail about this when I discuss the true meaning of the 5th dimension below.

First, let’s start with the ascension process. My reading about soul ascension was similar to what occurs in the film. In particular, the aspect that stood out the most for me was the solitude of it. When we ascend, yes, we will ultimately become one with everything and connected to the universe, but the process of ascension is a lonely path. Your soul and consciousness must figure out that there remain higher dimensions of our universe on “your own” first, exactly as Bowman did when he entered through the Star-gate. This is absolutely necessary, otherwise your own imagination and higher-consciousness would have no meaning or significance attached. Especially significance to your own true self i.e. your soul.

Next, I want to convey that the universe is a free place. In other words, we are truly sovereign beings. We are not obligated to do anything. It is 100% your choice and no one else’s. Whatever we choose to imagine that’s exactly what we will see or experience ultimately. This is Metaphysics. This is absolutely 100% true. I will go into more detail when I discuss the 5th dimension soon.

So, with that background we can truly begin this discussion. Here goes:

You have things only to prove to yourself and not to others. This is a cliché statement perhaps, but in the context of this discussion it is perhaps the most important.

You don’t need to prove to anyone any part of you - especially not to other humans who are all a mere illusion of physical separation by distance. They are illusory. Their physical bodies are illusory. Death is illusory. Once you can begin to understand this and truly appreciate it, your true transformation can begin.

Also, yes death is illusory. But this does not mean that you have false fears and emotions about it.

I have fears about it. I have fears of pain and depression and losing my family and uncertainty. And similarly, all your doubts insecurities etc. should not just vanish just because you reached this revelation. Those feelings and emotions are real, and they have a true basis. There is uncertainty in our universe.

Embrace uncertainty. It leads to higher awareness.

With Certainty, what is the point of anything?

With uncertainty, there is potential for growth, Love, heartache, repair, pain.

Nobody has all the answers.

However,This universe is you.

You are it.

You are the universe.

Be grateful for it, you will be discovering more and more on your continuous journey now that you have understood so much in so little time of reading this. I am thankful for the reading I have done in this past year alone. And especially the last 2-3 weeks.

Remember there is no “ONE” true answer to anything. People who believe they are correct about everything, are really not correct at all. Intelligent people truly know this.

There is no ONE answer to living.

There is no living the “right way” or “wrong way.” That truly does not exist. What exists is your own growth, not what you have done in the past. Or anybody else’s growth. Comparisons are not for truly intelligent people to state or comment on. They know better. We all TheChaseLounge know better.

This is your journey you are the captain of the ship and you hold inside of you a mix of both male and female energies. One is greater than the other because of your temporary physical state.

But the point is-You will have time to experience everything because time is infinite and the universe, if anything, keeps on growing and growing.

[Side Note: (tony) SOPRANO = a FEMALE opera singer.]

Once you understand all of this, what will be the point of lying? You will just be hurting yourself. Don’t lie to yourself, be true to yourself. The goal here is not to fix all of the world’s problems in one day.

Once you understand this concept of infinite time and space, your imagination will pave the road for higher dimensions.

We have discussed the 5th dimension in the film extensively, but I have not provided a true explanation yet. Let’s make some more meaningful connections and finally tie everything together.

Our currently perceived 3rd dimension leads us to believing that there is always a physical distance between everything, between all of us. This is an illusion. It is not real. It is just a perception that our mind creates.

In other words, whatever you believe ---->>>>> you will see.

More specifically, whatever you believe ----->>>>> you will EXPERIENCE.

This is simply Metaphysics. That is the essence of it.

Remember everything we have been talking about so far, Creator-Consciousness,Higher-Awareness, etc. They are all essentially a synonym for YOUR SOUL.

Like I stated before, your individual imagination is very important to your soul.

Let’s try to understand the 5th dimension more clearly.

If we think of it in “literal” terms, it actually becomes very simple.

Bowman has entered the Star-gate (let’s state all synonyms: soul-entrance/universe portal/space portal) and subsequently enters the 5th dimension.We have no idea where he is in terms of space and/or physical distance. We also have no idea where he is in terms of time because he transforms into his older self twice, one after the other, with no notion or sense of time having passed.

Not only does this occur in the Final Section of the film 2001: A Space Odyssey ["Jupiter and Beyond The Infinite"] but this sense of Warped Space/Distance/Time occurs in the Final Episode of The Sopranos ["Made In America"].**See my very first post above for details of when/how this occurs in the Final Episode of The Sopranos. I will state it briefly here again. Three times that this Warped sense of Space/Distance/Time occurs in the Final Episode of The Sopranos ["Made In America"]: when Tony meets with FBI agent Harris, with Janice, and with Junior.

********************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************The Warped Space/Distance/TimePhenomenon appears FOUR TIMES TOTAL in the "GREATEST SERIES OF ALL TIME" - The Sopranos.

THE FOURTH TIME (Warped Space/Distance/Time Phenomenon appears) is THE VERY LAST SCENE WHEN TONY SOPRANO ENTERS THRU/INTO HOLSTEN-DINER.

He walks in & SEES HIMSELF sitting down ["MADE IN AMERICA"].

He sits down as his his future self, eventually dies, and POSSIBLY gets Reincarnated into "Another Human."

MY THOUGHTS ARE THAT HE DOES GET REINCARNATED into "Another Human" because he is Not pure.

He needs to learn from his past mistakes in past lives.

And he dies on EARTH (NO PORTAL) with OTHER people around - because he HAS NOT Evolved as of right now/yet.

The MonolithPhenomenon appears FOUR TIMES TOTAL in the "GREATEST FILM OF ALL TIME" - 2001: A Space Odyssey.

THE FOURTH TIME (THE MONOLITH Phenomenon appears) is THE VERY LAST SCENE WHEN DAVID BOWMAN ENTERS THRU/INTO THE STAR-GATE.

He walks in & SEES HIMSELF sitting down ["JUPITER & BEYOND THE INFINITE"].

He sits down as his future self, eventually dies, and DEFINITELY gets Reincarnated into the "Star Child.”

MY THOUGHTS ARE THAT HE GETS REINCARNATED into the "Star Child" because he is Pure and has learned from his past mistakes in past lives.

And he dies in the UNIVERSE (PORTAL) with NO OTHER people around - because he HAS Evolved as of right now/already. ********************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************

I stated before previously that other Extremely Intelligent Human Beings have been trying to give us Hints.

I gave multiple clues already that I am referring very obviously to David Chase & Stanley Kubrick in particular.

But the big question becomes: What they are alluding to us ----- is it proven by science?

What they are alluding to us (through their respective works of their respective generation) proven by physics & mathematics?

Is it possible?

Both on a spiritual level and a scientific level?

yes.

First, we think of Charles Darwin - Science & Evolution.

But there has been another individual who has stated the same exact image & message as David Chase and Stanley Kubrick, and he was years before their time. No use of technology, just with his mind.

He gave us in physics formulas and mathematical equations (through his Mind)-- THE SAME PRINCIPLES --that David Chase & Stanley Kubrick have given us (through their soul & spiritual Journey/Odyssey).

The Most Intelligent Human Being Who Has Ever Inhabited The Earth.

Albert Einstein, in his famous work The Theory of Relativity, states that there is a false, perceived illusion between Space & Time.

He is unknowingly leading us into the 5th dimension of The Earth & The Universe.

And Beyond The Infinite.

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Part I: Highly Evolved Beingsa. Characteristics of Highly Evolved Beings - Divine Cosmos; jeff@divine-cosmos.net- Taken mostly from above with copy/paste but with Multiple insights, interpretations, and revelations also added- Also rearranged and paraphrased to make it clear, concise, and cohesive

Part III:2001: A Space Odyssey a. My own interpretation- 100% in my own words- 100% Original- 100% Only from memory (i.e. not researching anything while I’m writing except for the name of a song, or the spelling of Ubermensch, or the name of a novel etc.)

- So much so that I might even be wrong about facts in the film, but the overall picture, however, is my main concern (Like I said take it how you will, no one is forcing you to accept this Evolution Theory).

-I am just stating all of this “my own interpretation” jargon to make it very clear that an individual’s imagination and/or knowledge is the most important aspect for this film. **It has no 1 “true meaning.”** (The very substance that I learned from David Chase’s work).

- In fact, Arthur C. Clarke (the author of the corresponding novel) makes it very clear that the plots of the film and novel “do not necessarily follow a linear arc, and should be seen as taking place in parallel universes, or as being variations of a main theme; consequently, there are apparent inconsistencies in the character of David Bowman throughout.”

b. A lot of insights that came to my mind were through indirect revelations from a wide range of posts on TheChaseLounge.Net I THINK THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT. **(If it’s not entirely obvious what I am conveying here, I think David Chase was trying to give us a hint --> in order for us to figure it out for ourselves)***

c. There are insights all over the world wide web, and since the film was made in 1968, and because it is (one of) the most debated films in history (if not the most debated), the sources are extremely numerous. I will try to cite the most important/relevant/interesting sources:

Alen_S, a public welcome to the Chase Lounge to echo the private one I sent you a few weeks ago.

I decided to post this publicly, even though you and I may be the only people reading this thread at the moment.:-) But someone born of flesh will soon enough stumble by to join the electronic spiders continuously crawling every post on this site and reporting back to their servers at Google, Yahoo, Bing, and the like. So, for the benefit of the sentient human machines among us,:-), let me start with some relevant personal history.

Approximately two years after the Sopranos ended (April of 2009), I was catapulted into a spiritual transformation so arduous and extreme that it can only be termed a psychic "death/rebirth." I don't use that term lightly since transformation and profound spiritual experiences were nothing new to me (see For Easter: My Close Encounter with Jesus Christ as well as excerpts at my Vimeo page from a documentary called Truth in Purple Light that I filmed in 2009 about the same experience.) But this recent transformation was even more intense and painful than the one described in those accounts, the kind of metamorphosis that myths (religious and otherwise) so often chronicle, the kind that Jesus himself undertook at a physical, outer level to crudely illustrate the subtle, psychological, interior death and rebirth/resurrection we must all be willing to endure in order to realize our own Christhood, our own inalienable spiritual paternity. My understanding of myself and the universe, of course, has grown prodigiously as the (ongoing) fruit of that death/rebirth, an understanding that leaves me aware now of just how little I will ever know.:-) That's the kind of paradox that seems to define both the seeking and finding of true wisdom and is reflected in something I once heard about Golda Meier, who reputedly said she always kept two truths at hand and would turn to one or the other, as needed, to balance feelings that leaned too far toward the other: (1) I am dust; and (2) for me, the Universe was created.

In my experience, no pair of opposites is harder to integrate, no tension harder to navigate than simultaneously owning your Nuclear, Infinite, Universal, Formless, Spiritual, God identity and your finite, manifest, exquisitely particular, unique form as a mortal human being. And while both pillars -- particular, manifest identity and universal, transcendent identity -- are equally valuable and real, the modern human (and particularly Western) bent on empiricism and rationality and objectivity and deconstructionism has driven a dominant world view that material reality is the only reality. It's a primitive, Self-sabotaging view that will continue to inhibit man's evolution until, en masse, He understands that He is "God" at his core and is therefore (along with every other creature) The One that is creating this universe. He is this universe, the universe is in him, and, in the little corner we inhabit here on Earth, he is on the leading edge of the Universe coming to know itself. So of course he is One with all things and creatures.

More than any other theme (and there are a zillion others!), this is the theme that will run through the film I am currently writing about my life's spiritual journey and that, God willing, I will actually one day bring to some form of publication/dissemination for whatever value it may have to humanity. The film (to be titled "A Really Big ImpPossible Love") is my truest "outer" vocation, the thing I realize I was training and equipping myself to do my entire life in my once-veiled effort to give myself back to the world.

I'm sharing all this here for the first time since (1) The Sopranos played a colossal and indispensable role in all of the above for me and since (2) your post, particularly your follow ups posted today, 2/02/18, are so synchronistically resonating with a couple of conflicts I've been wrestling with recently, one for several months and one just for the last few weeks, which culminated in a very moving experience for me literally just moments before I read the addendums you posted today. Those are the kinds of meaningful coincidences that have guided my understanding of my own journey as it unfolds, and so I want to thank you, Alen S, for being a very personal oracle of insight for me at a time when I'd been searching for some Divine Guidance.

Beyond that, I can't succinctly explain how 9/11 relates to my film and life's vocation except to say it's at the crux of it. So your 9/11 angle to the Sopranos immediately galvanized me and commanded my utmost interest when you first sent me a PM about it weeks ago. As promised, I did read your first post a week or two later, though I was uncertain how to process it and wanted to let it marinate a while, then come back to it and read it again when things in my (unendingly hectic!) personal life seemed to open a proper space to do so.

I've only watched 2001 A Space Odyssey once, many years ago, and didn't find it very interesting or affecting (obviously much more a testament to my limited visionary capacity at the time than to the depth of the film!). So I was not really grasping some of the connections between the film and The Sopranos that you were trying to explain and, from a strictly rational point of view (not the best faculty to use when evaluating spiritual truths!), did not perceive your connections or conclusions to be terribly compelling. (I will definitely be watching 2001 again, hopefully with "new" eyes!)

But the material in your posts today, particularly Part I Highly Evolved Beings, is so thoroughly wise and such a powerful reflection of truths my own seeking have led me to that, again, I can only thank you profusely for sharing it. While some reading it superficially may find it "preachy" and too far off the narrow topic of The Sopranos to belong in this forum, a fair reading will reveal it to be as far away from condescension as you can get, and, whether in this episode forum or some other, it's content I'm extremely grateful to see posted at The Chase Lounge. Your humility shines through as brilliantly as your truth, and such a "candle should not be put under a bushel but held up high on a candlestick so that it gives light to the whole house."

I don't have time to say much else today, but I will follow this thread and chime in as events and my own inclinations dictate. In the mean time, thanks again, Alen, and I wish you continued growth on what is obviously a wide path you are carving toward your own enlightenment, giving plenty of illumination off to me and to others along your way.:-)

Tony, his spirits crushed after b-lining to the fridge first thing in the morning: "Who ate the last piece of cake?"

Thank you so much FlyOnMelfisWall, I cannot state enough how much of an inspiration your work has been for me, allowing me to truly think deeply and opening my mind in ways that I never even thought possible. I am so glad that my posts helped with whatever conflicts you were experiencing, and I'm very humbly & eternally gratified if it helps with anything at all in anybody else’s life that may stumble upon this page.

Your comparisons between our Finite physical existence and our Infinite spiritual existence are so true to the very core, where (especially) The Western World has really taken more of a significance on the material world & the physical world instead of the essence that we are truly made of. And this Mindset - That Only One Reality of Existence is "True" (The Physical Reality) - This Mindset Perpetuates an Inhibitory Way of Living Life. It is detrimental to our very existence & to our very Nature of Being; It Hinders Our Very Progress, Advancement, Evolution, Learning, & Growth.

You have stated what I was aiming to, except in words that Resonate & Reverbrate Throughout, and which Ultimately make it much clearer to Understand. Specifically, that Both of Our (Physical & Eternal) Existences are EQUALLY REAL & IMPORTANT, Yet in so many Conflicting ways.

To know that this Post/Thread is the one that lead you to revealing your True Life's Vocation - As To The Film - To The World Publicly, is a compliment like no other. It is the ultimate form of warm approval, coming from the famous FlyOnMelfisWall, who has made this wonderful Discussion Forum for all to be a part of. Thank you so very much, and thank you for sharing your Deep Life's (Spiritual & Vocational) Journey. I have not read or seen Yet the links that you posted here, but it is my absolute intention to do so, in order to ultimately understand with a much clearer view all of past (Very Challenging) Spiritual Life Experiences that you have described so far. And I am so very Thankful to David Chase and Everyone Involved that lead (myself & so many others) to at least some form of Understanding - of Our True Potential in the Shared & Infinite Universe that we are all a Part of. This Forum reminds me of that Universe more so than anything else [that can Currently remind me of that Universe].

I have truly learned from this Discussion Forum more about Physics, Art, the Universe, as well as countless other disciplines (Psychiatry and Dreams, as JUST ONE EXAMPLE) than any other Single Venue alone. I have also learned that there are Multiple Interpretations to all of these things in life, of course, from different aspects, sides, and people's experiences. And that No One Single Interpretation qualifies as the"Correct" One. We are all truly at different Energy Levels. This is the very substance that I have inherited from David Chase's work. In addition, all of the intelligent posts & theories (on this Discussion Forum & Others) relating to his work have honestly played a Greater Significance for me (than watching the series itself) - in terms of understanding all of these themes. The 9/11 aspect is indeed confusing, and I am not entirely convinced - from my very First Post Above - about David Chase’s True Intentions regarding this matter. The only aspect that I do not question is that the scene with FBI Agent Harris is something Significant. I still have a hard time trying to decipher it, and that feeling will not change, no matter how many times [I think of] or [visualize] that scene in my mind. It is Essentially the very first scene of the Final Episode [as well as the entire series, now that I think about it], which introduces us to the idea - visually and audibly - to Different Dimensions or Parallel Universes.

Another aspect that I always found intriguing is Duality in the Series. In The Final Episode especially (and episodes leading up to the Final Episode), the “Doubling” of Phil Leotardo and Tony Soprano has always peaked my interest(s). Frank Vincent as Phil Leotardo is one of the Greatest Characters of the Series in my view, particularly given the fact that he has been the arch-nemesis of Robert DeNiro & Joe Pesci in Previous Scorsese Works [Billy Batts in Goodfellas, of course, as well as his character in Casino). I have ideas and insights in my mind which seem prominent, but when I believe I have figured out one aspect, another Five or Ten aspects enter my mind from “figuring out” that one aspect.

An additional insight that I found extremely interesting comes from Silviomancini’s thread, where he states that Chase literally trained his audience like Pavlovian Dogs, with the use of the Bells in the Final Scene, especially when Meadow “walks through the door,” although she doesn’t, in actuality.

I thought that she did enter, after watching that Final Scene at least Five or Ten times in my Life, until I read that thread. As a result of that insight, another that enters my mind is the thought of Meadow Soprano as her Family’s Guardian Angel. And as a result of that insight, another [insight or thought] that enters my mind is the circumstance surrounding Patrick Parisi in relation to Carlo and Jason Flipping, and how that was (possibly) affecting Meadow’s rushing demeanor - to get into the Diner with her family already situated inside. The Final Episode is truly (at least for me), entirely impossible to decipher, from beginning to end. It leads me to believing that Man does not know much at all, we are not so “intelligent” or “advanced” (as humans), despite what we we have been taught in school.

However, We as humans are Truly at "the Leading Edge of the Universe, coming to know itself, & Man is One with all Creatures," as you have so brilliantly alluded to. Your words Resonate with me so much Stronger than my very own words. Time & time again this Forum does not fail to Astound me, or Amaze me, or Astonish me to the very core. Even after I post something myself for the first time - someone else replies with a view that I have not thought of, considered, or understood fully before. And all sides of the spectrum somehow make sense. And I think that is something worth treasuring about this Discussion Forum. That it allows us to make Connections to Every aspect of Life. So I simply cannot Thank You enough, and I will continue to do so until all of my Thank You(s) to you Personally are worn out, & become annoying or tiresome to listen to or to read in writing.

Thank You FlyOnMelfisWall for what you have Accomplished for this World in Creating This Connectivity in All of us, and giving us your Humble Wisdom in Words and Essays, about the many aspects of Life that I myself would have Never had the means of articulating (to myself) Ever. I will continue to Thank You until it is wore thin, simply because of my Unconditional Love for this Forum & for the Series, & for the Person who has Created this Forum. That Love for the Series would have never surfaced if it wasn’t of course, for Your incredibly Intelligent Work and Dedication throughout so many, many years. If it wasn’t for you coupled with David Chase and his work, as well as everyone else on this Forum together, I would have never even known that such Humbleness & Humility are Capable of Existing.

I am Eternally grateful for this Single Venue that has taught (myself & others) so much; & I Truthfully consider it to be Education at it's Most Finest.

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I also feel like I need to post the following conversation I had with someone in a different Sopranos [Group/Discussion/Forum/Blog]. I'm not sure if she wants me to state her Name here, nor the Name of the [Group/Discussion/Forum/Blog], so I will just refer to her as, well "her."

She is one of the Administrators of another Sopranos [Group/Discussion/Forum/Blog] - [G/D/F/B]. And she is quite Young.

I decided to share with her in that [G/D/F/B] my posts here. After she saw my posts, without even any time to waste, she immediately responded and LEFT ME IN THE DUST...

The following was our conversation which I feel is Very iMPORTANT to include here in the context of the Discussion & Posts above in order to: 1. Share & Demonstrate Differences in Opinion.2. Display that the intelligence of this Series (or in other words, that the intelligence of David Chase) is truly immeasurable. No matter which way I view the Series, there's always another hidden viewpoint that makes sense just as equally.

(if this person DOES WANT me to cite her Name and/or the Name of the [G/D/F/B] then I certainly will. However, right now I'm not sure if she does, and also I don't want to get kicked out of that [G/D/F/B] for dropping names elsewhere. Only with permission I would. People Are Getting Kicked Out Of Sopranos [Groups/Discussions/Forums/Blogs] Left and Right, and I will not be one of those people!).

Let's see how she LEFT ME IN THE DUST...

So the following was the conversation between Myself and the Administrator of another Sopranos [G/D/F/B], which I am not at liberty to state the "Name" of the [Group/Discussion/Forum/Blog] unless I get direct permission. (People Are Getting Kicked Out Of Sopranos [Groups/Discussions/Forums/Blogs] Left and Right, and I will not be one of those people! Also I want to state that the conversation ended up on very good terms and we "Agreed" or "Liked" or "Respected" each others' statements):

Me: (First I Thanked the Administrators & Moderators and So on, of the [Group/Discussion/Forum/Blog], as a Courtesy before I started to state my Case).

Me (again, a couple of lines further down): "If somebody tells me right now that the Final episode is Schrodinger’s cat —> . David Chase is not that simple."

Her (within minutes after I sent her all my Long Posts, SHE REPLIES): "Firstly thank you for your kind words about the admins and this [group/discussion/forum/blog]. I'm going to move directly on now to say I read your post, I did indeed read through all your posts. I read all the many words you wrote - please don't take this the wrong way - but many were surplus to requirements and did not really state your case particularly well. Furthermore you have contradictory arguments.

I know that more & more spirituality meets science.. however, it's a long way from accepting out of body Astral Projections (emphasis added). You combine them both here rather haphazardly (emphasis added). Now I'm neither agreeing nor disagreeing to your theory. Since science is based on the most likely one [theory], you are entitled to yours. I make no opinion towards the Sopranos reference.

But I will say this (emphasis added). Based on the split-test theory, we know that atoms react differently when we perceive them. Therefore, the perceiver controls what they see and in theory everything else is just an illusion. We also know that time is not linear at all, so all things & all moments (past present future) occur in an instant. We know that quantum mechanics, [such as] string theory - tells us that all realities occur at once, & the perceiver follows that [outcome] which is the best possible one [outcome].

We know that even our thoughts are energy, and if we can vibrate to that energy, we can retrieve them. We know the same can be said for remote-viewing if we resonate on different frequencies, we can perceive different things, "visit" different places. We know that there are many different dimensions; we know that black holes could take us there. Could.We know that everything that could happen, happened already. And so what I'm trying to say is, it doesn't matter what you think it is, because if you think it - then that's what it is to you" (emphasis added).

Me: "That was amazing [i stated her name] that was probably one of the best responses I have ever gotten."

Her: "Thank you. I appreciate that."

Me: "My view is similar of course [that] it’s not that simple, you have to take into account Parallel Universes, and I state in my 4th post down that I will be contradicting myself, and I believe that it’s necessary to do so - in order to ascend above the literal meaning of both the Final episode as well as the Film. But Thank you that was truly amazing. "

Me (again): "Astral projection is not the same as Soul Travel I knew that of course, but I think your the first one that actually caught that (emphasis added). I just wanted to provide a current example of something of the like/similar. Awesome i love this [discussion/forum/group/blog (of Sopranos & Science, talking about Physics, etc.)]!"

Her: "We appreciate your contribution definitely, thank you again and it gave a welcome break to some of the recent monotony."

Me: "Definitely :) also I will be adding more material as I understand more. As we know the Significance behind this Great work that David Chase has made never ends."

Thanks for the update to your reply above. I certainly have to make sure I don't get a big head with the kind of praise you dish out , but, seriously, all the thanks I need is knowing that other people still come here and still consider this site a valuable resource for exploring the show and its unending themes and depth. I learned first hand that to study the Sopranos is to study life and the very meaning of existence. Your recent posts make that connection clearer than it's ever been, and I'm extremely grateful for the infusion of passion and new perspective you've brought here.

I also enjoyed the exchanges you shared with the admin of the other forum and am glad you have someone else offering feedback on your posts since things have been very slow on the posting front here for months. I would be offering a lot more myself if I didn't have so much else pulling me in diverse directions these days. However I did just have three new registrations that I activated. Perhaps your flurry of activity has inspired one or more of them to "Join the Club," so to speak. I'll be watching out for that but, in the meantime, I'm still listening. Even if I'm not saying much.

Tony, his spirits crushed after b-lining to the fridge first thing in the morning: "Who ate the last piece of cake?"