I'm just so tired of people using empty identity politics rhetoric to shut down conversation.

ya know, there are more than a few folks here in my hills that have bunkers full of weapons and ammunition. i see 3 per center tattoos around. it is not empty identity politics. it's literal bunkers full of weapons and ammunition and people who are /psyched/ to have an excuse to use them just, ya know, in my backyard. good Christian white folks with good Christian children who can shoot better than you and stand for our national anthem.

The above figures exclude 9/11, obviously or Islamic terror would simply dwarf non-Islamic terror.
The fact that there is a group which calls itself a state, occupies territory, and has supported massacres like the Bataclan also helps. That the only groups likely to deploy WMD on U.S. soil almost all happen to be Islamic may be another factor.

And if the figures went back to 1776 and included the slaughter of Native Americans and Slaves we would see a huge spike that 9/11 would still not have touched. How you dice your data always has an affect on the results, we could go back to Columbus or we could stop at WWII, or start at the Spanish Inquisition or the Crusades but Christians usually dismiss such comparisons as if the affects are so long ago it has no affect on today. The colonization of the world by white christian nations has certainly inflicted plenty of terror on the native populations and left a lasting mark. But I guess it's not terrorism if a nation's military does it?

I don't mean to demean your experience. Thank you for engaging with me so civilly as always.

Racism and stupidity are definitely dominant contributary factors in that group. They're extremely safe from terror and having an "other" enemy is a lot of fun.

I'm not trying to spread a message of hate, or to deny the stupid and racist elements that definitely exist and are worth discussing. Just to accurately represent the spectrum of reality.

i'm making efforts to be less of a dick about things.

what i'm hearing from you is that at present globally the extremist Islam folks, ya know the folks blowing up shrines and whatnot, are the more pressing big scope problem whereas you feel white supremacy and Christian extremism isn't as urgent or active or destructive, which i will disagree with. for me, i'm not trying to derail your conversation, i'm acknowledging there is a similar problem in our hands we have power to do something about. and there's probably some baggage and soft spot-edness on my end being from the culture growing these fuckwads. there was a KKK hung on a building in the downtown square here and there was a shocking lot of turning a blind eye to these kind of antics. it's hard for me to downplay or let go of a shrug to its significance. this isn't good ole boy fun, a hoy hoy stupid dumb dumbs. they have an arsenal. it's normalized to a surreal degree. christ, their brother ilk occupied a federal bird sanctuary what was it last year? shrug. they turned weaponry on the National Guard. silence. it emboldens them.

can my European babies touch on this from y'alls experience with the wave of zealous nationalist white creepo bullshit going on there? especially in the wake of Brexit.

We have lots of Islamic people here and it's fine. Like always, the more religious people are, the more difficult.
But for the most it's a normal part of our life. I interact with Muslims everyday everywhere and it's not exciting or special at all. They are just normal people. surprise!!!
I gave a seminar to a small group of physicians assistants and all of them happened to be Muslims from different countries . ( ok, their employers are Muslim too)
I asked them what they don't like about patients and they said " if they don't speak German and expect us to speak Arabic"
We all have the same problems.
Just don't take ANY religion too seriously and talk to everyone.

can my European babies touch on this from y'alls experience with the wave of zealous nationalist white creepo bullshit going on there? especially in the wake of Brexit.

They are there and similar to your experience they feel they can be more bold and loud about their idiocy and it most likely comes from similar perceived economic distress.
Main talking points are 'the refugees will take our jobs and they will have so many babies and molest our women'.

But they have far far far less weapons, they don't tend to define themselves through religion and they are not being 'supported' as much by government and media. So it's bad but it could be far worse.

Trump twitter crisis manager: "Sir I'm sorry you insulted the only government that kinda still likes us in Europe and you did it using the wrong twitter account? Could you fix that maybe?"
Trump: "Sure can do!"