Ex-Muslim: “I don’t think Islam is compatible with the planet Earth!”

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The history of Islam interacting with the West (and other secular liberal democracies) has been rife with conflict and bloodshed due to the interpretations of holy texts leading to violent Jihads.

Will Islam go through an enlightenment anytime soon? Will Islam, like many other religions in the past, embrace the good aspects of secularism. Or is Islam forever doomed to be in contention with the West.

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Many people have a problem with Old Testament scripture concerning the fact that God commanded the Israelites to annihilate all the people in Canaan. I also used to be conflicted by this but after doing a lot of research it now makes sense. It’s a matter of really studying the scriptures. The world at that time was still inhabited by the nephilim who were decendents of the fallen angels and their DNA was spread throughout many cultures. This is why God commanded the Israelites to kill all of them including the women and children and not to intermarry with them. It was in effective an act of love towards his chosen people to protect them from this evil. Jesus warned us that the end times would be like in the days of Noah which is to say the nephilem will be back and many believe they are responsible for all the UFO sightings. Many strange things and deceptions will come as well as a complete rejection of God which we are very much experiencing today. Read your bible very carefully. Check out Chuck Messler as just one scholar who has seriously researched this stuff.

The rebel said..
“Will Islam go through an enlightenment anytime soon? Will Islam, like many other religions in the past, embrace the good aspects of secularism. Or is Islam forever doomed to be in contention "..-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.
The difference is with Christianity is it did not go through an evolution or enlightenment.. The Old Testament was gods pact with the Jews and they screwed it up innumerable times frustrating God and having him make a commitment with the Gentiles.
Christ raise the bar and as the son of man and God invited all people to walk in his path to the light and the glory.
It was never a change or an evolution… However Islamic faith is based on Mohamed who couldn’t either read or write and who’s believes were handed down in oral tradition for 400 years before the interpretations could be put with ink to paper.

I really cannot argue with anything you have just said Dan. That’s how it is.
Armin generally confirmed all of your points by saying that there is no cherry picking in Islam. You are or you are not, there is no half way. He specifically confirmed the punishments dealt out for apostasy and other crimes which all involve death, torture or mutilation of some kind. Many traditions involve humiliation torture and mutilation as well. Many ‘crimes’ are a result of not following rules and traditions. Savage and barbaric at it’s most ‘peaceful’.
Yep pers, I think you about said it Dan. Spot on.

It is always offensive to my sensibilities when I hear Christianity compared in ANY way to Islam. There is NO comparing the two and once the dust from m103 settles I would encourage complaints regarding any such comments. If that is the way they want to play, which is twisted , but hey, once the rules are in place we will have to work with in them. Tit for tat.

I have zero tolerance for Islam and therefore Moslems, all Moslems, without exception.
I have a problem with several things Armin said about Christianity (he is a self-avowed atheist after all), but overall I am glad to hear ex-Moslems standing up and speaking out – as few and far between as they are – and especially because of the huge risk they take.
The key here is – EX – Molslem.
Being an ex-Moslem, maybe Armin could critique my logic:
If you do not support Islam you are not a Moslem.
If you support Islam you support a world-wide Caliphate, Jihad and Sharia law – if you don’t you’re apostate, worse than an ‘infidel’, not a Moslem…soon to be murdered.
Any Moslem who has taken a citizenship oath in a non-Molsem run country is a LIAR – which is covered under taqiyya – and has no intention of assimilating – and every intention of taking over. That’s covered under hijrah.
That’s Islam!
Therefore; considering the obvious fact of a total incompatibility, culturally, with us in the West – and ‘planet Earth’ in general, and Islam’s always stated intent of world domination and hatred, and the empirical evidence daily of violence and perversion inspired by that military doctrine disguised as a religion, peopled by savages, in a culture of primitive savagery, dictates why I have zero tolerance for Islam and therefore Moslems, all Moslems, without exception.
Not many things in life are so black and white…

@Jan G…actually the Nicean canon (collection of authorized books of the Bible agreed upon by all of the Orthox (Greek for right teaching) churches that convened in Nicea in 325AD) does not contain several books that were in the Septuaginta canon which is the version that Christ quoted. Furthermore the Nicean Canon of the Bible components were never in the same room at the same time prior to that date.

Not only did Luther drop the apocrypha (Deuterocanonicals) from the Lutheran canon he condemned the Epistle of Jude for endorsing the Pheligian heresay (the belief that if you lead a life without sin you will go to Heaven without dying) and teh Apocalpse of Saint John the Devine (Revelations) for being Gnostic heresy (which it is).

The New testament contains quotations from six different books of scripture which are either attributed to the wrong books or which never made it into ANY canon.

The Book of Job is not Hebrew scripture nor is it endorsed by any Jewish tradition…it is Yazidi.

And there are “jehovahs witness” canon scholars who could add several paragraphs to this list.

This is what bothers me. Guys like this, who start these websites (or whatever) are not knowledgeable on any religious subjects.
They are not qualified to be discussing these subjects on a level that is exposed to everyone.
Atheism, in itself, has become a religion for ex-Christians, Muslims, etc. They read bits and pieces of the Bible, Quran etc and then attack those who are followers.
Atheism is not the same as a non-believer. Atheists actively and aggressively oppose and attack religions; non-believers simply do not believe.
Not impressed by this interview.

Ron Voss: Actually, it is only Catholicism that uses the entire Bible (maybe Anglicans) because Martin Luther removed 7 books from the Bible; therefore, Protestants use an incomplete version of the Bible (not to offend anyone).

Glenn Craig it is amazing how many people think the separation is about keeping the church out of the state , when it was meant to protect the church. And funny how the lefties love it when the state interferes in the church. But of course they have a totally opposite view when it comes to the mosque for some reason.

CAROLE MASSÉ commented, “The Old Testament is the one problematic, but christianity is taught from the New Testament, where I have not seen any violent teachings”. I am sorry Carole the entire bible is God breathed, the Word of God. If you say the Old Testament is “problematic”, you are saying God is problematic. Much of what you describe as “problematic” are not “violent teachings” as you call them but historical accounts, that is, descriptive, not prescriptive. Christianity is taught from the whole Bible, including the Old Testament, which Jesus referred to multiple times. The Ten Commandments (prescriptive statements) are found in the Old Testament.

Jay, you say, “The history of Islam interacting with the West (and other secular liberal democracies) has been rife with conflict and bloodshed due to the interpretations of holy texts leading to violent Jihads.” “Due to the interpretations of holy texts leading to violent Jihads”??

The following verse (9:5) from the Koran, commonly referred to as the “Verse of the Sword”, reads, “Then when the Sacred Months (the 1st, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Islamic calendar) have passed, then kill the Mushrikun {unbelievers} wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush. But if they repent and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat {the Islamic ritual prayers}), and give Zakat {alms}, then leave their way free. Verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.” Pretty clear as to what is meant, one of many unmistakable commandments to Muslims in the Koran to wage war in the name of Allah against non-Muslims, which has guided the followers of Islam for over 1400 years!

“Is Islam forever doomed to be in contention with West”? No, the West is forever doomed to be in contention with Islam.

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The Old Testament is the one problematic, but christianity is taught from the New Testament, where I have not seen any violent teachings. Muslims or ex muslims have no idea of what they are talking about when they criticize christianity. And I’m sorry but when Muslims kill innocents, I blame the individuals, not just their ideology. This is not racism, this is common sense. Are we now to pardon every pedophile because he believes that pedophilia should be acceptable?

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I agree with Armin Navabi regarding the necessity of criticism of the ideology of Islam, but not the people. The people are deceived by the great deceiver.

But what I do not agree with Armin Navabi’s is his implication that Christians criticize the people. This is not true. Christians intentionally separate the sin from the sinner, Islam from people that are deceived by Islam. Because to not do so is to ignore that Jesus did that for the Christian. Jesus separates the sin from the sinner, the Christian’s very own salvation from the sin of his pas by Christ.