Comments on: The Nationals response to Jimmy Rollins: injuries are part of the dealhttp://mlb.nbcsports.com/2013/02/21/the-nationals-response-to-jimmy-rollins-injuries-are-part-of-the-deal/
Baseball. Baseball. And then a bit more baseball.Tue, 26 Sep 2017 21:59:20 +0000hourly1http://wordpress.com/By: historiophiliachttp://mlb.nbcsports.com/2013/02/21/the-nationals-response-to-jimmy-rollins-injuries-are-part-of-the-deal/#comment-445989
Fri, 22 Feb 2013 00:21:05 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=299528#comment-445989
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Thu, 21 Feb 2013 20:20:10 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=299528#comment-445877Sounds like you’ve thought this through.
]]>By: dwdivehttp://mlb.nbcsports.com/2013/02/21/the-nationals-response-to-jimmy-rollins-injuries-are-part-of-the-deal/#comment-445869
Thu, 21 Feb 2013 20:02:33 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=299528#comment-445869Braves aren’t better than the Phillies at all. Good luck with the Upton brothers hitting 240. and .270 while striking out 350. Phillies rotation is still better as well.
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Thu, 21 Feb 2013 20:00:15 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=299528#comment-445865That’s not treu, Phillies, Eagles, and Flyers fans have ALWAYS been strong in attendance and support. Philly fans are as die hard as they come. Take that sh!t somewhere else, nobody wants to hear and a$$hole speak.
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Thu, 21 Feb 2013 19:32:09 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=299528#comment-445835Atlanta has a chance to be boom or bust, I think the Nats are a much better team. The Braves aren’t that much better then the Phillies, and both teams have that huge boom or bust factor. This years version of the Nationals is shaping up to a very deep club, with a good mix of producting vet’s, and also those good young players.

Probably worth mentioning though, it’s always good to keep an eye on teams with a lot of players in their contract year…and the the Phillies have Halladay, Utley, Ruiz and Young all pushing for new deals….

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Thu, 21 Feb 2013 18:35:24 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=299528#comment-445771the phillies could definitely beat up the nationals. rollins would hurt his hamstring charging the mound, and all anyone needs to do is chop block utley to take him out. what hurts the phillies more is howard and his gimpy ankle. should his ankle be healthy, all bets are off because he is truly a monster with incredible opposite fist power. the newly added revere seems like his personality is so bubbly, that you could punch him and he would giggle and bounce like a bobblehead. you know m. young would bring that professional attitude to a fight. all halladay needs to do is stare at you; you stare back at that scowl and you’re definitely just going to get dropped. where the fight will truly be won for the phillies is chooch and cholly. chooch will be all hopped up on amphetamines, and cholly seems like the kind of guy that would bring a rifle to a fistfight.

for the nationals, i can definitely see bernadina and zimmerman making an impact, but when you have amazing athleticism and struggle to apply it, and when you punch someone while blowing out your shoulder, it’s kind of tough to give these two the benefit of the doubt. werth’s has a fragile wrist and harper gives himself black eyes. strasburg would sit out of the fight because he’s too important to their future. let’s be honest, gio is an amazing talent, but he seems like kind of a bitch.

i think it’s pretty clear who will beat who up when it’s all said an done. if you can’t agree with this, then i can’t take you seriously.

]]>By: hisgirlgotburrelledhttp://mlb.nbcsports.com/2013/02/21/the-nationals-response-to-jimmy-rollins-injuries-are-part-of-the-deal/#comment-445762
Thu, 21 Feb 2013 18:26:30 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=299528#comment-445762“The point everyone seems to miss is that, a healthy version of the 2012 Phillies almost certainly would not have won 98 games.”

Not the point. No they probably would not have. Rollins might be trying to say that they could win 100 again. But I’m not. You Nats fans say that not only are they not a 100-win team, but they’re an 86-win team at best. And the reason they’re an average team had nothing to do with injuries.

I never said Halladay was still a Cy Young contender, did I? But if you say he wouldn’t do better than what Kendrick did in his absense then I’ll stop because I’ll be fkin’ LOL’ing or something.

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Thu, 21 Feb 2013 18:18:43 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=299528#comment-445760“I mean, Kyle Kendrick had a better season in term of ERA. You just happened to pick out his worst stretch and say “See, I proved my point!”. ”

Because those were the starts in place of Halladay. You’re using WAR right? Doesn’t the R stand for replacement?

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Thu, 21 Feb 2013 17:51:25 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=299528#comment-445740Thank Dog SOMEONE out there is paying attention.
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Thu, 21 Feb 2013 17:22:23 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=299528#comment-445703Cur, you’d best hope you don’t end up with an injured Dickey then.
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Thu, 21 Feb 2013 17:17:19 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=299528#comment-445698Allow me to say first off that Halladay’s 2012 was not as his ERA makes it out to be.

1. His BB rate was, by far, the highest it’s been since 2004
2. His HR rate was the highest since 2000
3. His K/BB rate was the by far the lowest since he began his run of dominance in 2008
4. There has been a significant decline in his velocity, especially in his cutter
5. He’s going to be 36!

I feel very confident in saying there is not a snowball’s chance in hell of Halladay winning the Cy Young next year. There is a very good chance that he’ll still be very good. But he posts a 2.30 ERA, and a 6/1 K/BB rate, I will personally paint your house (note: no I won’t).

Also, I am always wrong. So factor that in when considering my prediction.

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Thu, 21 Feb 2013 17:03:59 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=299528#comment-445689The difference in games lost to players on the DL between the Phillies and the Nationals wasn’t that great. Players on the Phillies’ roster spent about 1450 games on the DL and players on the Nationals’ roster spent about 1250 games on the DL. The Yankees (who had more injuries than Philly) and Orioles (who had nearly as many ~1410 games lost) did fine despite injuries.

The Phillies are an old team (and old teams on average get hurt a more and take longer to recover) without much depth….so they finished .500. There isn’t much reason to expect a now older Philly team to be less injured or more productive this year.

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Thu, 21 Feb 2013 17:02:43 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=299528#comment-445687Right. ATL not shabby. Will be interesting to see if Up-Up-Hey works (I think the Up bros could work well together, better than they’ve worked separately) and how they do w/o Chipper and Prado.
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Thu, 21 Feb 2013 16:54:16 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=299528#comment-445683

So, you’re saying that Ryan Howard, Jimmy Rollins and Roy Halladay are still MVP and Cy Young calliber players?

Howard and Rollins no (although neither was the best player when they did win MVP, but I digress), but Halladay yes. He did win the CY in ’10 and was second in ’11. Was ’12 an off year or a portent of things to come?

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Thu, 21 Feb 2013 16:50:59 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=299528#comment-445680“With Kyle Kendrick starting from June 1 to July 6 they went 2-5 and he had an ERA of 5.72 and BAA of .284 and a WPA of -0.54. Going by your WAR they only win 0.4 more games in those 5 losses. I think a healthy Halladay does much better than that.”

You do know that Roy Halladay posted a 4.49 ERA in 2012, right? He wasn’t very good (and yes, before I get the more sabermetrically inclined turned against me to, I know many other factors go into ERA). ALso…I mean, Kyle Kendrick had a better season in term of ERA. You just happened to pick out his worst stretch and say “See, I proved my point!”. Whose to say Roy Halladay wouldn’t have also had his worst stretch then. Or his best?

The point everyone seems to miss is that, a healthy version of the 2012 Phillies almost certainly would not have won 98 games.

But Morse and Storen missed half a season each. Weth miss at least 8 weeks. Zimmerman spent time on the DL and wasn’t “right” half the year. Desi also spend time on the DL. So I see his point.

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Thu, 21 Feb 2013 16:44:07 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=299528#comment-445673“So the 102 wins a year before were a fluke? 16 more losses is natural regression and progression by other teams?”

Yeah, that has happened more times than I can count. The 06 Cardinals, the 02 Mariners, 98 Yankees, 94 Giants, 91 A’s, 89 Mets, 87 Mets, 86 Cardinals….

…should I go on? Sometimes team have a lot of really great players peaking right before they start to decline. 2011 saw Halladay, Lee, Hamels and Worely at their best, got far better output from Hunter Pence than he ever provided before, had a career year from Shane Victorino….

A lot of things have to go right to be a 100 win team, and a lot of things went right for the 2011 Phillies, who were an excellent team. The hypothetical “healthy” 2012 Phillies still would have been good…86 wins is good, but it’s pretty naive to say that all those players who have matched their career years without any new, young additions who might have upside.