They gon' drive out the black element to make the galaxy quote, unquote, safe for white folks. And Jedi's the most insulting installment! Because Vader's beautiful black visage is sullied when he pulls off his mask to reveal a feeble, crusty, old white man! They tryin' to tell us that deep inside we all wants to be white!

karmaceutical:Whole Foods does not open stores willy nilly in transitional neighborhoods. They go where people care about what they eat, and have the money for it.

they can be rather timely in their openings. There's one that opened not so long ago on 96th and Columbus in Manhattan. That is still very much a transitional neighborhood but it's getting there and I'd imagine Whole Foods got a much better deal on their lease 5 years ago than they would today and even more so than they will 5 years from now.I don't think they're waiting to open in established areas only. They are in those but not exclusively

I don't even know what that was about... if you care about food, shop at farmers market, make your diet seasonal, teach it to your snowflakes, and try to support the grocery industry as little as possible. Whole Foods... Wal Mart... Kroger... no difference.

skullkrusher:karmaceutical: Whole Foods does not open stores willy nilly in transitional neighborhoods. They go where people care about what they eat, and have the money for it.

they can be rather timely in their openings. There's one that opened not so long ago on 96th and Columbus in Manhattan. That is still very much a transitional neighborhood but it's getting there and I'd imagine Whole Foods got a much better deal on their lease 5 years ago than they would today and even more so than they will 5 years from now.I don't think they're waiting to open in established areas only. They are in those but not exclusively

I'd imagine that the challenges of launching a big retail store in Manhattan are not like other places. Maybe they had to compromise?

karmaceutical:skullkrusher: karmaceutical: Whole Foods does not open stores willy nilly in transitional neighborhoods. They go where people care about what they eat, and have the money for it.

they can be rather timely in their openings. There's one that opened not so long ago on 96th and Columbus in Manhattan. That is still very much a transitional neighborhood but it's getting there and I'd imagine Whole Foods got a much better deal on their lease 5 years ago than they would today and even more so than they will 5 years from now.I don't think they're waiting to open in established areas only. They are in those but not exclusively

I'd imagine that the challenges of launching a big retail store in Manhattan are not like other places. Maybe they had to compromise?

there are a few locations in Manhattan. I tihnk they're just going where they think the business will be and trying to stay ahead of the curve in this particular instance

I hate Whole Foods and the entire corporatization of organic foods, as if something so healthy could be properly sold by megachain food warehouses. For me, the essence of food is in the growing and raising of it, and I've been doing that for years. I run a co-op with about 20 other people and we raise all kinds of organic (real organic, not corporate 'organic') vegetables. Occasionally we'll give some of the food to the homeless, especially when we're having a bumper crop.

This attempt to drive out the poor people in these neighborhoods is a terrible thing. People shouldn't be forced to move out just because rich white people want to move in. This is the kind of thing that happens when you value money more than culture.

Our co-op is a good example of how these poor people could grow their own (really) healthy foods instead of paying their whole paycheck to Whole Foods for subpar, fake organic foods.

AverageAmericanGuy:I hate Whole Foods and the entire corporatization of organic foods, as if something so healthy could be properly sold by megachain food warehouses. For me, the essence of food is in the growing and raising of it, and I've been doing that for years. I run a co-op with about 20 other people and we raise all kinds of organic (real organic, not corporate 'organic') vegetables. Occasionally we'll give some of the food to the homeless, especially when we're having a bumper crop.

This attempt to drive out the poor people in these neighborhoods is a terrible thing. People shouldn't be forced to move out just because rich white people want to move in. This is the kind of thing that happens when you value money more than culture.

Our co-op is a good example of how these poor people could grow their own (really) healthy foods instead of paying their whole paycheck to Whole Foods for subpar, fake organic foods.

man, these rich white folks moving in and turning formerly dangerous slums into nice places to raise kids as well as providing an economic boon for those neighborhoods sure are assholes. We should all be living in earthen mounds, actually. Damn rich folks and their stone and timber

skullkrusher:AverageAmericanGuy: I hate Whole Foods and the entire corporatization of organic foods, as if something so healthy could be properly sold by megachain food warehouses. For me, the essence of food is in the growing and raising of it, and I've been doing that for years. I run a co-op with about 20 other people and we raise all kinds of organic (real organic, not corporate 'organic') vegetables. Occasionally we'll give some of the food to the homeless, especially when we're having a bumper crop.

This attempt to drive out the poor people in these neighborhoods is a terrible thing. People shouldn't be forced to move out just because rich white people want to move in. This is the kind of thing that happens when you value money more than culture.

Our co-op is a good example of how these poor people could grow their own (really) healthy foods instead of paying their whole paycheck to Whole Foods for subpar, fake organic foods.

man, these rich white folks moving in and turning formerly dangerous slums into nice places to raise kids as well as providing an economic boon for those neighborhoods sure are assholes. We should all be living in earthen mounds, actually. Damn rich folks and their stone and timber

Stone and timber? In my day the rich folks had to make do with daub and wattle. And they were lucky to have it.

I don't even know what that was about... if you care about food, shop at farmers market, make your diet seasonal, teach it to your snowflakes, and try to support the grocery industry as little as possible. Whole Foods... Wal Mart... Kroger... no difference.

heathens..

I'm pretty fortunate to live where there the farmer's markets are year round and to have the morning off on the one day a week they have it.Everyone is not so lucky.

Of course, I'm not really sure I meet 10up's definition of "caring about food". I do enjoy cooking and eating and try to balance environmental and health concerns, cost, and convenience. I do this by eating a wide variety of foods from a wide variety of sources. My typical month has me shopping at farmer's markets, fruit stands, Whole Foods, Sprouts, Trader Joe's, Ralphs, Wal Mart and Target.

I don't even know what that was about... if you care about food, shop at farmers market, make your diet seasonal, teach it to your snowflakes, and try to support the grocery industry as little as possible. Whole Foods... Wal Mart... Kroger... no difference.

heathens..

I'm pretty fortunate to live where there the farmer's markets are year round and to have the morning off on the one day a week they have it.Everyone is not so lucky.

Of course, I'm not really sure I meet 10up's definition of "caring about food". I do enjoy cooking and eating and try to balance environmental and health concerns, cost, and convenience. I do this by eating a wide variety of foods from a wide variety of sources. My typical month has me shopping at farmer's markets, fruit stands, Whole Foods, Sprouts, Trader Joe's, Ralphs, Wal Mart and Target.

you don't

but good work.. I think we're getting a Trader Joe's soon, I'm interested to see what influence they have on the local market.

Go for their "loss leaders" their 365 brands. Like their olive oil; those are pretty good.Their bulk section is also a good buy. Do you really need more than a cup of oats, almonds, walnuts etc?

While more expensive their fish is top quality from their fresh fish counter. Sushi grade tuna, and very very clean and fresh halibut. (Actually, with beef prices today; fish, even the 'expensive' stuff is good deal).

Just avoid the draw of buying daily stuff and dried goods; their veggies are over priced, their normal stock items are overpriced. Stop by wall mart and get salt, canned goods, flour, milk, bread, etc. Then WF's for just a few items.

responsible corporate entity which pays decent wages and offers paid time off, retirement plans/profit sharing, health insurance and other benefits to generally low skilled laborers moves to poorer neighborhood and brings a decent employment option for those who don't have many while also indirectly fighting "food deserts" by its mere presence?

Mad_Radhu:They gon' drive out the black element to make the galaxy quote, unquote, safe for white folks. And Jedi's the most insulting installment! Because Vader's beautiful black visage is sullied when he pulls off his mask to reveal a feeble, crusty, old white man! They tryin' to tell us that deep inside we all wants to be white!

Manhattan Whole Foods are cheaper than or comparable to Gristedes and Food Emporium, and is cleaned enough that it looks like someone gives a shiat about making the store presentable.

As for gentrification, sorry your neighborhood doesn't suck anymore. Remember: make sure to blame people for our neighborhood sucking and being in a "food desert," but make sure to also blame them if they improve it to the point other people want to live there.

mrlewish:karmaceutical: Whole Foods does not open stores willy nilly in transitional neighborhoods. They go where people care about what they eat, and have the money for it.

Whole Foods does not give a damn about the food they supply. They are just catering to a particular type of customer.

Right, and that customer cares about what they eat. So karmaceutical's original statement stands.Yours does too, of course. You don't see them moving into neighborhoods with poor folks that care what they eat.