And while sci.math is a poor medium for mathematical exchange, stillthere are many who can see these simple truisms for what they are:observations of inference, and deduction, of our mutually definedstructures, in the mathematics.

So, I then definitely recommend that those interested in mathematicalfoundations of our numbers draw a line before proving they can't.

Then, Hancher, you revel in finding perceived fault in others, where'syour input? I'm only interested in the objective, thank you.