Proof if there's GOD?

I believe in intelligent design as well. There is just too much that has been proven by science, such as the exact size, orbit, distance of the earth
from the sun, etc. that is needed to support life, to believe it all happened by chance. There's proof of God all around us in nature. It's hard
to prove it beyond that. But if you watch any of the History Channel's Universe series, you can see a master design element in everything. It's
not just coincidence. There's a lot we don't yet know, and it's still not proven, but we're getting closer all the time. Ten years ago, we
couldn't have said that.

the feeling of love is separate from the person you feel it for, otherwise love would die with the people we love or it would have to be given to us
by that person, neither is true, it just manifests itself.

also love of god is not particularly required for his existence, nor is knowledge of god, nor understanding. it's just a universal truth. have you
ever heard of a people or culture that didn't believe the supernatural existed?

Well I guess that's fine, cause I didn't say love was physically attached to anyone.

i didn't say nothing was required, i used
logical argument to prove gods existence. if you don't want to dispute my argument logically, why reply? if you can't grasp what i'm saying please
ignore me and move along, if you can and you can see my logic is faulty, point to the fault.

Universal truths are nice to talk about too. I could say frog people are universal truths just for the sake of conversation.

yes you could, but show me how it is so. i'll attempt to explain what i mean by universal truth as you clearly haven't understood the concept as i
used it.
universal truths are things like love, a conscience, hatred, curiosity etc, these are things that are unprovable yet are generally accepted as truth
because they are almost universally part of the human experience.

Originally posted by SolarskyeThis question is for yourself and nobody else. It's up to the individual to prove to them selfs that
there is or isn't a God.

Originally posted by finnegan
Yes, it's very introspective.

You have to look deep inside yourself and determine whether that love you feel is for a friend or family member or if it's for an imaginary
superbeing which somebody told you actually exists somewhere.

This is simple logic. If someone searches within their self and finds god then they have the proof they need. If they decide their feelings are not
for god, then they have to rethink the hypothesis.

Originally posted by piemanalso love of god is not particularly required for his existence, nor is knowledge of god, nor understanding.
it's just a universal truth.

I thought you were saying love of god is a universal truth, but I guess you meant only love itself is.

Originally posted by piemanif you require proof of god you must also require proof of love and hate, you must be able to quantify it of
itself. if you cannot, you must admit that god exists, in at least the same respect as love or hate, and so does exist and is real.

You have stated love is a universal truth, so by that rational are you stating god is also a universal truth? That doesn't work because I could find
people who don't accept god as truth which means it's not universal.

Are you asking me? I wouldn't know. Maybe someone else can answer that for you.

LOL! I was replying to your response to my quote. When I speak of God I am not connecting him to religion. That is where the conflict lies. Religion
has botched everything up and it is my belief that they will be held accountable for it.

What if worshipping a make-believe god IS false idol worshipping? What if organized religion is Satan's scam to dup the gullible masses and
cause them to worship a lie and go to hell?

It can be either - or! Idol worshipping is not the same as worshiping the real thing. You are talking of icons, the cross, worshiping a religion and
its leaders, etc. Another words: real or false representations of the real thing!

I agree with Einstein, I'd rather not take the chance and defy the existence of God. Plus I have had personal evidence.

On the second half of your statement - I agree with you. If you have read my other threads you would see that:
www.abovetopsecret.com... (Have Christians Been Duped?)

There are 20 more threads around with the same question. Please read and post in those. Nobody will ever be able to answer your question with proof.
Both sides can argue about god existing or not. When it gets down to the end of it, there will be no proof on either side. You just have to believe
and have faith there is one. You don't have to believe in Jesus Christ, but acknowledge that there is a god. I for one think it is ignorant to not
believe in a god. Do you think the universe/stars/planets/galaxies created themselves? No! Something created it.

You can ask the question, how did a soul or being appear in the blackness and start creating things. But somehow it happened.

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