Star Wars books have been pretty sloppy with editing mistakes. You'd think with such a big name they'd get better editing. _________________
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Any one else disapointed that we didn't get to see the immediate reaction of Han and Leia to the

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news of Jaina and Jag's marriage?

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Yeah, that was disappointing. I would have loved to see how Han took the news. And was it me, or did Tahiri's little sub plot not go anywhere? I was expecting her to either be released or get handed a sentence. As it as, nothing was really resolved.

I finished! I can't go into much detail right now, because I've gots lots of homework. But I will say that Abyss was soooooooooooooo good. Definitely the best so far. I could barely ever put it down, a problem I didn't have with Outcast and Omen. Denning has definitely redeemed himself...to an extent. We are on the path to forgiveness.

I'll go into more detail later, but for now I'll just end with the fact that my signature will be changing in just a few minutes. For those who have read it, you'll know what that means. _________________"It's not about the legacy you leave, it's about the life you live." ~Mara Jade Skywalker

Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 9:05 pm

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Mara Jade SkywalkerAdministrator

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Now for some more detailed opinions:

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I loved, loved, loved the scene where the Jedi storm into the GAS storage building. Priceless! It's about time they got the upper hand when it came to the media. Playing Javis Tyrr back against Daala made me sooo happy. I was about ready to put the book down earlier when he was playing against Jaina and Jag. But finally some payback.

I'm so happy Barv and Yaqueel didn't go on a rampage. That would have been...annoying. We've seen too many already. The fact that Han, Leia, and Jaina took care of them right away was perfect.

The tension amongst the Masters! Whoo-hoo...loving it. Not that I don't like the Jedi, on the contrary, but it's also about time that there was dissension in the ranks. I like the fact that things are starting to fall apart. Sometimes you can't be strong until you've been exposed to some of your own weaknesses. And the Jedi Order has been fairly stable internally since it was started. It's just refreshing to see some internal strife.

I actually don't mind the Jaina/Jag relationship. I thought it was handled well. Han and Leia shouldn't have gotten so upset, but then that's a realistic reaction. Also, Jaina is a strong woman, one reason why I like her so much, but she has to have some weak moments. I think we were shown some weak moments in Abyss, and I liked that. Also, Jag always seemed to be thinking of Jaina, even where the Empire was concerned. I thought he was very sweet. Had he been putting the Empire ahead of Jaina, he would never have even thought about telling her about the Mandalorians. So their relationship didn't bother me. Now...when Jag wasn't trusting her, that was a little hard. But, granted, she'd greatly disappointed him the past. I would also have an extremely hard time trusting someone 100% after that.

Luke and Ben's adventure in the Maw! That was so awesome. I loved all the dead people and half-dead people. The journeys Beyond Shadows, everything. I won't go into extreme detail here, but mainly I loved it.

The Sith. Another excellent plot of the book! I couldn't have been happier. These Sith were so refreshing from what we're used to. Maybe it's just because we've only seen them in ones and twos in the last millennium. But the Lost Tribe...awesome. I was so very sad when Lady Rhea died. She was becoming one of my favorite characters of the series.

Last thing I'd like to touch on: Chapter 22. While it was great, I didn't like it as much as others. Anakin was perfect, definitely. First time we've seen him since his death. Mara was pretty good, but I was disappointed in how much she berated herself for racing after Jacen. It just makes her death that much worse. The only positive thing I felt I got from her appearance was the quote I've added to my signature. And of course Luke's reaction. That was very touching. Jacen...the biggest disappointment. I was very sad to hear he wasn't one bit sorry for what he'd done. This saddened me for the rest of the book, until I read Caedus's take on it. Thinking of it that way makes me feel much better, though I'm still sad that Jacen's being smug about the whole thing. So, overall Chapter 22 didn't blow me away, but it did make me cry in a bittersweet sort of way. A great addition to an already great book.

The only con I'm going to point out at the moment is concerning the Mandalorians. I honestly think Denning threw this line in very much on purpose against Traviss:

The entire jetpack assault had been a diversion to help them escape with the PsiCor wallscope, and the Mandalorians were too disciplined - too cold - to waste a fellow commando's sacrifice by risking the mission just to save a couple of lives.

The line about being 'too cold', Denning so did that on purpose. But anyway.

I guess that's it for now. In point, the book was amazing. I can't wait to read Backlash. _________________"It's not about the legacy you leave, it's about the life you live." ~Mara Jade Skywalker

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@Mara

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I honestly never thought Caedus was redeemed. It always made it seem that way, but it seemed like they tried REALLY hard to make it seem that way, so it can't have been for anything other than to prove it wrong. And of course I agree with the why, as opposed to my view on the how. He did it to help Ben avoid becoming Caedus, as one of them was going to have to in order to bring the galaxy together. I totally respect his decision, and he still emraces his ways which shows me how dedicated he was to his path. No matter what, he still would've made one heckuva Sith lord.

_________________Perfection is a lifelong pursuit requiring sacrifice. The only way to get it quicker is to sacrifice the most.

I found it depressing, but fitting that Jacen wasn't sorry for everything he'd done. And it did seem out of character for Mara to be beating herself up like that, all concerned with not having done things the Jedi way. And was it me, or did Luke and Ben's plot take awhile to get rolling? I was bored for a couple of chapters, there.

I found it depressing, but fitting that Jacen wasn't sorry for everything he'd done. And it did seem out of character for Mara to be beating herself up like that, all concerned with not having done things the Jedi way. And was it me, or did Luke and Ben's plot take awhile to get rolling? I was bored for a couple of chapters, there.

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I saw it as he accepted the role he had to play and what everyone would think of him. And that he knew he'd never be able to explain his actions in a way anyone would understand- coupled with his then BEING a SITH - who'd really beleive him anyway- He knew this going in- and did it still. Tragicly heroic. (but I may change my POV next books )

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Also just reading the Luke Skywalker Bio- S'ybll so reminds me of Abloeth- too much so!

Here are my thoughts - I just finished today so I think I will have more to write later:

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I am really enjoying the Lost Tribe. Although I found it odd that they so drastically underestimated Luke. At this point in his life Luke has faced and dealt with a long list of opponents. I would have thought they would have a greater respect for him.

I dislike the Horn's reaction to their children's imprisonment. Yes they are seeing the big picture, but thinking back to how far Corran went to rescue Mirax in I, Jedi I really have a hard time believing he would sit on the sidelines. Also where is Wedge and Booster? Corran has so many more friends than just the Jedi. Why not escape with them to Correlia? Denning did do an ok job explaining the Horn's patience. As a fan of Corran Horn I am disappointed he is not more involved.

I am really enjoying Luke stepping out of his role as grandmaster to travel with Ben. Luke is a great hero and leader - but facing down impossible enemies on his own is where I really enjoy his character.

I really liked how Jaina proved so capable of getting after Daala - she continues to impress me. I feel that Jag and Jaina (JJ as I like to call them), have become a great duo, like Han and Leia before they had children. Jag's stratedgy, Jaina's power - I could read a whole book with just them.

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Rouge77Master

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Perhaps someone can enlighten me: How can Abeloth be on a permanent basis in what is basically the realm of the dead, on the same plain as the spirits of Mara and the Solo boys and at the same time be active in the Maw? Doesn't the former hint strongly that she is actually dead and exists just as a spirit?

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Don't look at me, I haven't even read it yet. The good news is I will be very, very soon, I assure you._________________
Where sky and water meet,
Where the waves grow sweet,
Doubt not, Reepicheep,
To find all you seek,
There is the utter east.

Perhaps someone can enlighten me: How can Abeloth be on a permanent basis in what is basically the realm of the dead, on the same plain as the spirits of Mara and the Solo boys and at the same time be active in the Maw? Doesn't the former hint strongly that she is actually dead and exists just as a spirit?

I would think so, but in SW. who knows. Hopefully an explanation will be given at some point._________________All things die, Anakin Skywalker, even stars burn out.

Perhaps someone can enlighten me: How can Abeloth be on a permanent basis in what is basically the realm of the dead, on the same plain as the spirits of Mara and the Solo boys and at the same time be active in the Maw? Doesn't the former hint strongly that she is actually dead and exists just as a spirit?

I thought that Luke and those "Beyond Shadows" went to the planet- that the Lake was the same one that Vestara's Master fell into.

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