It was pushed through now to enable Portland to do more in the wake of local authority cuts – and because the council could be limited in how much it wants to put up the precept by next year.

A public meeting has been organised for this Monday at All Saints Church, Easton, at 7pm, so the decision can be explained.

There are claims now that a rule governing council business may have been breached at a town council meeting in December when the budget proposal was first brought to the table.

Standing order 39 says that when there are substantial increases or reductions to the budget the proposals should be adjourned until the following meeting.

After taking advice from the Dorset Association of Parish and Town Councils (DAPTC), mayor Les Ames and town clerk Ian Looker have written to councillors saying the budget debate should start again in view of this alleged standing order ‘infringement’.

They suggest the process is restarted at the next (special) meeting of the council on February 5.

Coun Ames said he had been inundated with correspondence from people concerned about the increase and that councillors should ‘listen to the people’ and look at the budget again.

Mr Looker said: “There are two potential scenarios.

“The first is that we go ahead with the precept in which case councillors will explain at the public meeting what has been decided.

“The second is that we act on advice from DAPTC and restart the budget process so councillors will be looking for advice at what level of precept should be set.”

The Portland Labour group said it hopes the combination of the public meeting on Monday and the council meeting on February 5 ‘will resolve that the precept be set at something more affordable to the people of the island’.

Coun Tim Munro, who put forward the proposal to put up the precept, said it was incorrect to say the standing order had been infringed as the mayor could have intervened at the meeting in December but failed to do so.

Comments

Munro, you have pushed through a decision that the public does not like or want, it needs to be reviewed, stop trying to squirm out of listen to the people you represent.

Munro, you have pushed through a decision that the public does not like or want, it needs to be reviewed, stop trying to squirm out of listen to the people you represent.Be_Happy

Munro, you have pushed through a decision that the public does not like or want, it needs to be reviewed, stop trying to squirm out of listen to the people you represent.

Score: 29

Atilla
7:18am Fri 24 Jan 14

Maybe the time has come to pull the plug on the extra layer of beaurocracy that is Portland Town Council. It has no real power anyway

Maybe the time has come to pull the plug on the extra layer of beaurocracy that is Portland Town Council. It has no real power anywayAtilla

Maybe the time has come to pull the plug on the extra layer of beaurocracy that is Portland Town Council. It has no real power anyway

Score: 29

PortlandYoof
7:54am Fri 24 Jan 14

So just to clarify (as I'm rather dumbfounded to how exactly the system works) - Who do I have to vote for to get this Mr Munro out of a position of power come next election?

So just to clarify (as I'm rather dumbfounded to how exactly the system works) - Who do I have to vote for to get this Mr Munro out of a position of power come next election?PortlandYoof

So just to clarify (as I'm rather dumbfounded to how exactly the system works) - Who do I have to vote for to get this Mr Munro out of a position of power come next election?

Score: 28

Lynney of Portland
9:08am Fri 24 Jan 14

Once again T Munro is riding roughshod over us we do not want someone who does not listen to us to represent us Hasn't he learnt that Portlanders are easy going until you upset us we certainly don't want him as mayor this year to represent us at official functions.

Once again T Munro is riding roughshod over us we do not want someone who does not listen to us to represent us Hasn't he learnt that Portlanders are easy going until you upset us we certainly don't want him as mayor this year to represent us at official functions.Lynney of Portland

Once again T Munro is riding roughshod over us we do not want someone who does not listen to us to represent us Hasn't he learnt that Portlanders are easy going until you upset us we certainly don't want him as mayor this year to represent us at official functions.

Score: 22

Newground
9:26am Fri 24 Jan 14

Am I alone in thinking that Portlanders should be eternally grateful that four members of the same family -- at least two of whom are bearded -- are selflessly, tirelessly and passionately giving of their time, intellect and... yes, I must say it, CHARISMA, only to make the island a better place?

What disaster would befall us if these councillors resigned en bloc? One shudders to think.

Am I alone in thinking that Portlanders should be eternally grateful that four members of the same family -- at least two of whom are bearded -- are selflessly, tirelessly and passionately giving of their time, intellect and... yes, I must say it, CHARISMA, only to make the island a better place?
What disaster would befall us if these councillors resigned en bloc? One shudders to think.Newground

Am I alone in thinking that Portlanders should be eternally grateful that four members of the same family -- at least two of whom are bearded -- are selflessly, tirelessly and passionately giving of their time, intellect and... yes, I must say it, CHARISMA, only to make the island a better place?

What disaster would befall us if these councillors resigned en bloc? One shudders to think.

Score: -16

yellowhunter13
9:56am Fri 24 Jan 14

Newground wrote…

Am I alone in thinking that Portlanders should be eternally grateful that four members of the same family -- at least two of whom are bearded -- are selflessly, tirelessly and passionately giving of their time, intellect and... yes, I must say it, CHARISMA, only to make the island a better place?

What disaster would befall us if these councillors resigned en bloc? One shudders to think.

the world will be a better place !!!!

[quote][p][bold]Newground[/bold] wrote:
Am I alone in thinking that Portlanders should be eternally grateful that four members of the same family -- at least two of whom are bearded -- are selflessly, tirelessly and passionately giving of their time, intellect and... yes, I must say it, CHARISMA, only to make the island a better place?
What disaster would befall us if these councillors resigned en bloc? One shudders to think.[/p][/quote]the world will be a better place !!!!yellowhunter13

Newground wrote…

Am I alone in thinking that Portlanders should be eternally grateful that four members of the same family -- at least two of whom are bearded -- are selflessly, tirelessly and passionately giving of their time, intellect and... yes, I must say it, CHARISMA, only to make the island a better place?

What disaster would befall us if these councillors resigned en bloc? One shudders to think.

the world will be a better place !!!!

Score: 14

John New
9:59am Fri 24 Jan 14

I have no dispute with Cnr Munro as a person but agree with others time to close PTC. They have no real powers and now want to extort a massive tax rise. Clearly out of touch with the reality of the moment - no rise wanted.

I have no dispute with Cnr Munro as a person but agree with others time to close PTC. They have no real powers and now want to extort a massive tax rise. Clearly out of touch with the reality of the moment - no rise wanted.John New

I have no dispute with Cnr Munro as a person but agree with others time to close PTC. They have no real powers and now want to extort a massive tax rise. Clearly out of touch with the reality of the moment - no rise wanted.

Score: 18

[deleted]
10:02am Fri 24 Jan 14

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Now they all know its a huge **** up and its all wrong this meeting back in December also appears to be a huge balls up as well. And in the real world if something of this magnitude is debatable because of the way it was dealt with then it should be done again. However going back in time is great but surely you would have to knock the precept hike on the head and start from scratch would you not if how we got there was full of questions rather than answers.
I also hear on the jungle drums that a certain councillor whos wild about town was kicked out of tesco for intimidating or harrassing the poor lady who was getting signatures !! If this is true then im sorry sir your another fool that must get out and re evaluate your life.yellowhunter13

Now they all know its a huge **** up and its all wrong this meeting back in December also appears to be a huge balls up as well. And in the real world if something of this magnitude is debatable because of the way it was dealt with then it should be done again. However going back in time is great but surely you would have to knock the precept hike on the head and start from scratch would you not if how we got there was full of questions rather than answers.
I also hear on the jungle drums that a certain councillor whos wild about town was kicked out of tesco for intimidating or harrassing the poor lady who was getting signatures !! If this is true then im sorry sir your another fool that must get out and re evaluate your life.

Score: 8

Foursite
10:06am Fri 24 Jan 14

Newground wrote…

Am I alone in thinking that Portlanders should be eternally grateful that four members of the same family -- at least two of whom are bearded -- are selflessly, tirelessly and passionately giving of their time, intellect and... yes, I must say it, CHARISMA, only to make the island a better place?

What disaster would befall us if these councillors resigned en bloc? One shudders to think.

Nice name,that's not land for sale at newground is it?

[quote][p][bold]Newground[/bold] wrote:
Am I alone in thinking that Portlanders should be eternally grateful that four members of the same family -- at least two of whom are bearded -- are selflessly, tirelessly and passionately giving of their time, intellect and... yes, I must say it, CHARISMA, only to make the island a better place?
What disaster would befall us if these councillors resigned en bloc? One shudders to think.[/p][/quote]Nice name,that's not land for sale at newground is it?Foursite

Newground wrote…

Am I alone in thinking that Portlanders should be eternally grateful that four members of the same family -- at least two of whom are bearded -- are selflessly, tirelessly and passionately giving of their time, intellect and... yes, I must say it, CHARISMA, only to make the island a better place?

What disaster would befall us if these councillors resigned en bloc? One shudders to think.

Nice name,that's not land for sale at newground is it?

Score: 8

Laadeeda
11:40am Fri 24 Jan 14

Newground wrote…

Am I alone in thinking that Portlanders should be eternally grateful that four members of the same family -- at least two of whom are bearded -- are selflessly, tirelessly and passionately giving of their time, intellect and... yes, I must say it, CHARISMA, only to make the island a better place?

What disaster would befall us if these councillors resigned en bloc? One shudders to think.

I think you may well be alone.

What disaster would befall us?

Let me think - - - -

Nope, I think the Island would still be here, buses would be running, bins would be emptied.

[quote][p][bold]Newground[/bold] wrote:
Am I alone in thinking that Portlanders should be eternally grateful that four members of the same family -- at least two of whom are bearded -- are selflessly, tirelessly and passionately giving of their time, intellect and... yes, I must say it, CHARISMA, only to make the island a better place?
What disaster would befall us if these councillors resigned en bloc? One shudders to think.[/p][/quote]I think you may well be alone.
What disaster would befall us?
Let me think - - - -
Nope, I think the Island would still be here, buses would be running, bins would be emptied.Laadeeda

Newground wrote…

Am I alone in thinking that Portlanders should be eternally grateful that four members of the same family -- at least two of whom are bearded -- are selflessly, tirelessly and passionately giving of their time, intellect and... yes, I must say it, CHARISMA, only to make the island a better place?

What disaster would befall us if these councillors resigned en bloc? One shudders to think.

I think you may well be alone.

What disaster would befall us?

Let me think - - - -

Nope, I think the Island would still be here, buses would be running, bins would be emptied.

Score: 17

radiator
11:51am Fri 24 Jan 14

Munro was quoted as saying that no standing order had been infringed as the mayor should have intervened. Thats it Timmy start blaming some one else especially Les who unfortunately is getting on in years and probably has'nt got his finger on the button has he should.
Another thing we are all blaming Munro but what about all the rest of the Councillors that voted for this?hav''nt they got a voice? is'nt it a pity that we have to wait until next year for an election to vote these people out as they for sure as hell dont represent the people of Portland thats for sure.

Munro was quoted as saying that no standing order had been infringed as the mayor should have intervened. Thats it Timmy start blaming some one else especially Les who unfortunately is getting on in years and probably has'nt got his finger on the button has he should.
Another thing we are all blaming Munro but what about all the rest of the Councillors that voted for this?hav''nt they got a voice? is'nt it a pity that we have to wait until next year for an election to vote these people out as they for sure as hell dont represent the people of Portland thats for sure.radiator

Munro was quoted as saying that no standing order had been infringed as the mayor should have intervened. Thats it Timmy start blaming some one else especially Les who unfortunately is getting on in years and probably has'nt got his finger on the button has he should.
Another thing we are all blaming Munro but what about all the rest of the Councillors that voted for this?hav''nt they got a voice? is'nt it a pity that we have to wait until next year for an election to vote these people out as they for sure as hell dont represent the people of Portland thats for sure.

Score: 16

radiator
12:37pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Newground wrote…

Am I alone in thinking that Portlanders should be eternally grateful that four members of the same family -- at least two of whom are bearded -- are selflessly, tirelessly and passionately giving of their time, intellect and... yes, I must say it, CHARISMA, only to make the island a better place?

What disaster would befall us if these councillors resigned en bloc? One shudders to think.

Who's sponsoring you to quote this? wouldn't be Red House would it?.

[quote][p][bold]Newground[/bold] wrote:
Am I alone in thinking that Portlanders should be eternally grateful that four members of the same family -- at least two of whom are bearded -- are selflessly, tirelessly and passionately giving of their time, intellect and... yes, I must say it, CHARISMA, only to make the island a better place?
What disaster would befall us if these councillors resigned en bloc? One shudders to think.[/p][/quote]Who's sponsoring you to quote this? wouldn't be Red House would it?.radiator

Newground wrote…

Am I alone in thinking that Portlanders should be eternally grateful that four members of the same family -- at least two of whom are bearded -- are selflessly, tirelessly and passionately giving of their time, intellect and... yes, I must say it, CHARISMA, only to make the island a better place?

What disaster would befall us if these councillors resigned en bloc? One shudders to think.

Who's sponsoring you to quote this? wouldn't be Red House would it?.

Score: 13

cosmick
1:16pm Fri 24 Jan 14

We when we attend the meeting on Monday will expect the ptc to withdraw the rise completly!
If any rise is proposed it should be less than inflation.
Any thing different to this and i will ask all the counsellors to resign with immediate effect. Even those who did not vote for the rise as by leaving it to go through it shows they are not the sort of people we want on ptc.
SHOW YOUR SUPPORT FOR THIS.

We when we attend the meeting on Monday will expect the ptc to withdraw the rise completly!
If any rise is proposed it should be less than inflation.
Any thing different to this and i will ask all the counsellors to resign with immediate effect. Even those who did not vote for the rise as by leaving it to go through it shows they are not the sort of people we want on ptc.
SHOW YOUR SUPPORT FOR THIS.cosmick

We when we attend the meeting on Monday will expect the ptc to withdraw the rise completly!
If any rise is proposed it should be less than inflation.
Any thing different to this and i will ask all the counsellors to resign with immediate effect. Even those who did not vote for the rise as by leaving it to go through it shows they are not the sort of people we want on ptc.
SHOW YOUR SUPPORT FOR THIS.

Score: 15

shy talk
1:50pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Weymouth and Portland Mayor is Ray Banham. And Portland’s Mayor is Les Ames. Why has Portland got two Mayor’s?

Weymouth and Portland Mayor is Ray Banham. And Portland’s Mayor is Les Ames. Why has Portland got two Mayor’s?shy talk

Weymouth and Portland Mayor is Ray Banham. And Portland’s Mayor is Les Ames. Why has Portland got two Mayor’s?

Score: 7

Foursite
3:06pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Ignorance is no defence!
Standing Orders covers procedures during meetings, the committee structure they want to use, financial matters not covered in the councils financial regulations, delegation to council officers and other matters.
Portland Town Council seems to use Standing Orders as and when it seems fit. The December minutes state “2515 – CLLR. ELSPIE MUNRO-PRICE The agenda item was brought because of Cllr. Elspie Munro-Price’s absence from the Council for six months. It was proposed by Cllr. Wild and RESOLVED – Cllr. Elspie Munro-Price remain on the Council.”
Again Standing Orders were ignored to suit!
Another example of a council that makes it up as they go along!

Ignorance is no defence!
Standing Orders covers procedures during meetings, the committee structure they want to use, financial matters not covered in the councils financial regulations, delegation to council officers and other matters.
Portland Town Council seems to use Standing Orders as and when it seems fit. The December minutes state “2515 – CLLR. ELSPIE MUNRO-PRICE The agenda item was brought because of Cllr. Elspie Munro-Price’s absence from the Council for six months. It was proposed by Cllr. Wild and RESOLVED – Cllr. Elspie Munro-Price remain on the Council.”
Again Standing Orders were ignored to suit!
Another example of a council that makes it up as they go along!Foursite

Ignorance is no defence!
Standing Orders covers procedures during meetings, the committee structure they want to use, financial matters not covered in the councils financial regulations, delegation to council officers and other matters.
Portland Town Council seems to use Standing Orders as and when it seems fit. The December minutes state “2515 – CLLR. ELSPIE MUNRO-PRICE The agenda item was brought because of Cllr. Elspie Munro-Price’s absence from the Council for six months. It was proposed by Cllr. Wild and RESOLVED – Cllr. Elspie Munro-Price remain on the Council.”
Again Standing Orders were ignored to suit!
Another example of a council that makes it up as they go along!

Score: 21

Nomalice
3:54pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Reforne Ned says
Every time a stone is turned, another lot of pests are discovered.
Time to dig over the whole allotment and start again. A Spring Clean would be good.Empty the bank account on a referendum.

Reforne Ned says
Every time a stone is turned, another lot of pests are discovered.
Time to dig over the whole allotment and start again. A Spring Clean would be good.Empty the bank account on a referendum.Nomalice

Reforne Ned says
Every time a stone is turned, another lot of pests are discovered.
Time to dig over the whole allotment and start again. A Spring Clean would be good.Empty the bank account on a referendum.

Score: 12

Chiswellmaid
4:10pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Please can we have a full list of how each of the PTC Cllrs. voted, ,FOR or AGAINST the increased precept. A small increase may have been acceptable but 1000% beggars belief. Is it time to say goodbye to the PTC? Has anyone out there had a 1000% rise in their pay or pension? I think not. The meeting on Monday should be very interesting.

Please can we have a full list of how each of the PTC Cllrs. voted, ,FOR or AGAINST the increased precept. A small increase may have been acceptable but 1000% beggars belief. Is it time to say goodbye to the PTC? Has anyone out there had a 1000% rise in their pay or pension? I think not. The meeting on Monday should be very interesting.Chiswellmaid

Please can we have a full list of how each of the PTC Cllrs. voted, ,FOR or AGAINST the increased precept. A small increase may have been acceptable but 1000% beggars belief. Is it time to say goodbye to the PTC? Has anyone out there had a 1000% rise in their pay or pension? I think not. The meeting on Monday should be very interesting.

Score: 12

Foursite
4:25pm Fri 24 Jan 14

I think the electioneering has already started.Ray Nowak voted for this precept rise,although he wanted more consultation he did vote for it.This is what he says..
Labour Councillor Ray Novak has called for wider consultation, and there is to be a public meeting at All Saints Church, Easton this Monday, 27th January at 7pm The Town Council says this is not a consultative meeting –the vote has already been taken – but I suspect that there might just be a change of heart if the strength of that meeting’s voice says that there is no shortage of willingness to pull together on the island - but local people would at least expect to be involved in the decisions that affect them most.If you feel as strongly as the many Portlanders that have spoken to me, do go along and make your voice heard.

Well Ray it seems that you are all so high and mighty.Portland does not deserve any of you..

I think the electioneering has already started.Ray Nowak voted for this precept rise,although he wanted more consultation he did vote for it.This is what he says..
Labour Councillor Ray Novak has called for wider consultation, and there is to be a public meeting at All Saints Church, Easton this Monday, 27th January at 7pm The Town Council says this is not a consultative meeting –the vote has already been taken – but I suspect that there might just be a change of heart if the strength of that meeting’s voice says that there is no shortage of willingness to pull together on the island - but local people would at least expect to be involved in the decisions that affect them most.If you feel as strongly as the many Portlanders that have spoken to me, do go along and make your voice heard.
Well Ray it seems that you are all so high and mighty.Portland does not deserve any of you..Foursite

I think the electioneering has already started.Ray Nowak voted for this precept rise,although he wanted more consultation he did vote for it.This is what he says..
Labour Councillor Ray Novak has called for wider consultation, and there is to be a public meeting at All Saints Church, Easton this Monday, 27th January at 7pm The Town Council says this is not a consultative meeting –the vote has already been taken – but I suspect that there might just be a change of heart if the strength of that meeting’s voice says that there is no shortage of willingness to pull together on the island - but local people would at least expect to be involved in the decisions that affect them most.If you feel as strongly as the many Portlanders that have spoken to me, do go along and make your voice heard.

Well Ray it seems that you are all so high and mighty.Portland does not deserve any of you..

Score: 13

yellowhunter13
5:04pm Fri 24 Jan 14

As we have been doing and have said by looking at the new up to date info it is clear to see that certain members of council still reckon this is not going to be a consultive meeting on Monday so the pure arrogance and i wanna be famous glorifying attitude of the Mongro clan, Wild about Africa and the nowak wonder reiterates to the whole of Portland of how un democratic the place is run and how more communistic and cult status like they seem to dream they want us to feel like !! Above is no abuse or insult it and other comments towards the Ptc are how you are making us feel ! Not nice is it ! Welcome to OUR world !!

As we have been doing and have said by looking at the new up to date info it is clear to see that certain members of council still reckon this is not going to be a consultive meeting on Monday so the pure arrogance and i wanna be famous glorifying attitude of the Mongro clan, Wild about Africa and the nowak wonder reiterates to the whole of Portland of how un democratic the place is run and how more communistic and cult status like they seem to dream they want us to feel like !! Above is no abuse or insult it and other comments towards the Ptc are how you are making us feel ! Not nice is it ! Welcome to OUR world !!yellowhunter13

As we have been doing and have said by looking at the new up to date info it is clear to see that certain members of council still reckon this is not going to be a consultive meeting on Monday so the pure arrogance and i wanna be famous glorifying attitude of the Mongro clan, Wild about Africa and the nowak wonder reiterates to the whole of Portland of how un democratic the place is run and how more communistic and cult status like they seem to dream they want us to feel like !! Above is no abuse or insult it and other comments towards the Ptc are how you are making us feel ! Not nice is it ! Welcome to OUR world !!

Score: 6

Foursite
5:20pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Re last post.
Maybe sum .:=)

Re last post.
Maybe sum .:=)Foursite

Re last post.
Maybe sum .:=)

Score: 1

Foursite
6:17pm Fri 24 Jan 14

They just cant justify a hike like that on the Royal Manor without consulting the people!!!

This is not democracy.

They just cant justify a hike like that on the Royal Manor without consulting the people!!!
This is not democracy.Foursite

They just cant justify a hike like that on the Royal Manor without consulting the people!!!

This is not democracy.

Score: 12

Foursite
6:20pm Fri 24 Jan 14

!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!Foursite

!!!!!!!!!

Score: 2

radiator
7:21pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Can this matter be looked at and overturned by parliament?because if not every parish council in the land will try this.
This is reminiscent of the poll tax that Maggie tried and had to back down,does anyone know if these people can legally bring in this hike?

Can this matter be looked at and overturned by parliament?because if not every parish council in the land will try this.
This is reminiscent of the poll tax that Maggie tried and had to back down,does anyone know if these people can legally bring in this hike?radiator

Can this matter be looked at and overturned by parliament?because if not every parish council in the land will try this.
This is reminiscent of the poll tax that Maggie tried and had to back down,does anyone know if these people can legally bring in this hike?

Score: 2

Rocksalt
7:33pm Fri 24 Jan 14

I have mentioned on several threads that I don't understand why Dorset has so many layers of local government. Last week when criticising the precept rise I thought that PTC should be abolished. On reflection, I have changed my mind.

I suspect that it's entirely likely that WPBC will sell Portland short when the going gets tougher. With that in mind I would be happier with DCC running the major services with PTC running parks, street lighting, the cemetery etc. This model works perfectly well in at least one other rural council. I might want a change of councillors, though.

If you look at WPBC it's difficult to see what they actually do nowadays given that so many services are outsourced or delivered by countywide contractors.
I know it won't happen - too complicated and time consuming - but would achieve the same as the councillors are seeking without any need for an increased precept. For example, I am sure we could afford to maintain Easton and Victoria gardens with Portland's share of the WPBC parks and recreation budget.

I have mentioned on several threads that I don't understand why Dorset has so many layers of local government. Last week when criticising the precept rise I thought that PTC should be abolished. On reflection, I have changed my mind.
I suspect that it's entirely likely that WPBC will sell Portland short when the going gets tougher. With that in mind I would be happier with DCC running the major services with PTC running parks, street lighting, the cemetery etc. This model works perfectly well in at least one other rural council. I might want a change of councillors, though.
If you look at WPBC it's difficult to see what they actually do nowadays given that so many services are outsourced or delivered by countywide contractors.
I know it won't happen - too complicated and time consuming - but would achieve the same as the councillors are seeking without any need for an increased precept. For example, I am sure we could afford to maintain Easton and Victoria gardens with Portland's share of the WPBC parks and recreation budget.Rocksalt

I have mentioned on several threads that I don't understand why Dorset has so many layers of local government. Last week when criticising the precept rise I thought that PTC should be abolished. On reflection, I have changed my mind.

I suspect that it's entirely likely that WPBC will sell Portland short when the going gets tougher. With that in mind I would be happier with DCC running the major services with PTC running parks, street lighting, the cemetery etc. This model works perfectly well in at least one other rural council. I might want a change of councillors, though.

If you look at WPBC it's difficult to see what they actually do nowadays given that so many services are outsourced or delivered by countywide contractors.
I know it won't happen - too complicated and time consuming - but would achieve the same as the councillors are seeking without any need for an increased precept. For example, I am sure we could afford to maintain Easton and Victoria gardens with Portland's share of the WPBC parks and recreation budget.

Score: 5

albula40
8:08pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Rocksalt well said. Precise and to the point.

Rocksalt well said. Precise and to the point.albula40

Rocksalt well said. Precise and to the point.

Score: 2

Ray Nowak
12:19am Sat 25 Jan 14

Foursite wrote…

I think the electioneering has already started.Ray Nowak voted for this precept rise,although he wanted more consultation he did vote for it.This is what he says..
Labour Councillor Ray Novak has called for wider consultation, and there is to be a public meeting at All Saints Church, Easton this Monday, 27th January at 7pm The Town Council says this is not a consultative meeting –the vote has already been taken – but I suspect that there might just be a change of heart if the strength of that meeting’s voice says that there is no shortage of willingness to pull together on the island - but local people would at least expect to be involved in the decisions that affect them most.If you feel as strongly as the many Portlanders that have spoken to me, do go along and make your voice heard.

Well Ray it seems that you are all so high and mighty.Portland does not deserve any of you..

Eleven of the 12 attending the Dec Council meeting voted for the motion as presented on the evening , on the basis of more discussion to be had. Jan meeting changed that to a decision made. I then moved that there be a public meeting and this is to be held on Monday. As for electioneering I fail to see how this applies given that a, this is not a popular proposal b, requesting a public meeting so that Cllrs can account for the situation is about transparent and open , c , I am not seeking election at the local elections this year. Just for the record , I was co-opted to the PTC because no others put their name forward for election. There are 14 Town Cllrs , 4 of which are co-opted , there will be elections for all 14 Cllrs in May 2015. If nothing else I hope the issues will insure that there are elections for all 14 and no co-options .Finally I and 2 others have called for the special meeting on Feb 5th so that the debate about the precept can continue - so if that's high n mighty I apologise.

[quote][p][bold]Foursite[/bold] wrote:
I think the electioneering has already started.Ray Nowak voted for this precept rise,although he wanted more consultation he did vote for it.This is what he says..
Labour Councillor Ray Novak has called for wider consultation, and there is to be a public meeting at All Saints Church, Easton this Monday, 27th January at 7pm The Town Council says this is not a consultative meeting –the vote has already been taken – but I suspect that there might just be a change of heart if the strength of that meeting’s voice says that there is no shortage of willingness to pull together on the island - but local people would at least expect to be involved in the decisions that affect them most.If you feel as strongly as the many Portlanders that have spoken to me, do go along and make your voice heard.
Well Ray it seems that you are all so high and mighty.Portland does not deserve any of you..[/p][/quote]Eleven of the 12 attending the Dec Council meeting voted for the motion as presented on the evening , on the basis of more discussion to be had. Jan meeting changed that to a decision made. I then moved that there be a public meeting and this is to be held on Monday. As for electioneering I fail to see how this applies given that a, this is not a popular proposal b, requesting a public meeting so that Cllrs can account for the situation is about transparent and open , c , I am not seeking election at the local elections this year. Just for the record , I was co-opted to the PTC because no others put their name forward for election. There are 14 Town Cllrs , 4 of which are co-opted , there will be elections for all 14 Cllrs in May 2015. If nothing else I hope the issues will insure that there are elections for all 14 and no co-options .Finally I and 2 others have called for the special meeting on Feb 5th so that the debate about the precept can continue - so if that's high n mighty I apologise.Ray Nowak

Foursite wrote…

I think the electioneering has already started.Ray Nowak voted for this precept rise,although he wanted more consultation he did vote for it.This is what he says..
Labour Councillor Ray Novak has called for wider consultation, and there is to be a public meeting at All Saints Church, Easton this Monday, 27th January at 7pm The Town Council says this is not a consultative meeting –the vote has already been taken – but I suspect that there might just be a change of heart if the strength of that meeting’s voice says that there is no shortage of willingness to pull together on the island - but local people would at least expect to be involved in the decisions that affect them most.If you feel as strongly as the many Portlanders that have spoken to me, do go along and make your voice heard.

Well Ray it seems that you are all so high and mighty.Portland does not deserve any of you..

Eleven of the 12 attending the Dec Council meeting voted for the motion as presented on the evening , on the basis of more discussion to be had. Jan meeting changed that to a decision made. I then moved that there be a public meeting and this is to be held on Monday. As for electioneering I fail to see how this applies given that a, this is not a popular proposal b, requesting a public meeting so that Cllrs can account for the situation is about transparent and open , c , I am not seeking election at the local elections this year. Just for the record , I was co-opted to the PTC because no others put their name forward for election. There are 14 Town Cllrs , 4 of which are co-opted , there will be elections for all 14 Cllrs in May 2015. If nothing else I hope the issues will insure that there are elections for all 14 and no co-options .Finally I and 2 others have called for the special meeting on Feb 5th so that the debate about the precept can continue - so if that's high n mighty I apologise.

Score: 4

Foursite
10:36am Sat 25 Jan 14

Thanks for the clarification Ray the high n mighty comment was simply because of the way this was imposed on us without consultation.Its good you have found your voice and a shame others have not come out to explain themselves in their thinking without seeking consent from the electorate.There seems now to be some backtracking from Councillors apart from the bloody minded proposer,who with his family within the council wish to bully this ridiculous increase forward. Its a shame you have decided not to stand again,(if indeed we decide we need a council,).because I for one acknowledge the work you have done for Tophill hill regarding our historic windmills,this can only be applauded.I think perhaps you would be elected and your discontent is because you do not agree with the way PTC is working.
The sheer arrogance and complacency of others who have been sat in their seats for far too long has really stirred up the Island. People are now aware of what powers this council really have.So the question remains,do we need PTC? I have mentioned before that there are some good people within PTC who wish to do good things for the Island,imposing this precept rise is not one of them. PTC have gone the wrong way about this and now that is acknowledged.We welcome the backtracking of course we do but this should never have happened in the first place.The truth of the matter is that we will never again have the independence that was relinquished many years ago,when under PUDC the Royal Manor of Portland was a much more tidier, happier, place.and we paid once for the services received.

Thanks for the clarification Ray the high n mighty comment was simply because of the way this was imposed on us without consultation.Its good you have found your voice and a shame others have not come out to explain themselves in their thinking without seeking consent from the electorate.There seems now to be some backtracking from Councillors apart from the bloody minded proposer,who with his family within the council wish to bully this ridiculous increase forward. Its a shame you have decided not to stand again,(if indeed we decide we need a council,).because I for one acknowledge the work you have done for Tophill hill regarding our historic windmills,this can only be applauded.I think perhaps you would be elected and your discontent is because you do not agree with the way PTC is working.
The sheer arrogance and complacency of others who have been sat in their seats for far too long has really stirred up the Island. People are now aware of what powers this council really have.So the question remains,do we need PTC? I have mentioned before that there are some good people within PTC who wish to do good things for the Island,imposing this precept rise is not one of them. PTC have gone the wrong way about this and now that is acknowledged.We welcome the backtracking of course we do but this should never have happened in the first place.The truth of the matter is that we will never again have the independence that was relinquished many years ago,when under PUDC the Royal Manor of Portland was a much more tidier, happier, place.and we paid once for the services received.Foursite

Thanks for the clarification Ray the high n mighty comment was simply because of the way this was imposed on us without consultation.Its good you have found your voice and a shame others have not come out to explain themselves in their thinking without seeking consent from the electorate.There seems now to be some backtracking from Councillors apart from the bloody minded proposer,who with his family within the council wish to bully this ridiculous increase forward. Its a shame you have decided not to stand again,(if indeed we decide we need a council,).because I for one acknowledge the work you have done for Tophill hill regarding our historic windmills,this can only be applauded.I think perhaps you would be elected and your discontent is because you do not agree with the way PTC is working.
The sheer arrogance and complacency of others who have been sat in their seats for far too long has really stirred up the Island. People are now aware of what powers this council really have.So the question remains,do we need PTC? I have mentioned before that there are some good people within PTC who wish to do good things for the Island,imposing this precept rise is not one of them. PTC have gone the wrong way about this and now that is acknowledged.We welcome the backtracking of course we do but this should never have happened in the first place.The truth of the matter is that we will never again have the independence that was relinquished many years ago,when under PUDC the Royal Manor of Portland was a much more tidier, happier, place.and we paid once for the services received.

Score: 7

radiator
12:44pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Foursite wrote…

Thanks for the clarification Ray the high n mighty comment was simply because of the way this was imposed on us without consultation.Its good you have found your voice and a shame others have not come out to explain themselves in their thinking without seeking consent from the electorate.There seems now to be some backtracking from Councillors apart from the bloody minded proposer,who with his family within the council wish to bully this ridiculous increase forward. Its a shame you have decided not to stand again,(if indeed we decide we need a council,).because I for one acknowledge the work you have done for Tophill hill regarding our historic windmills,this can only be applauded.I think perhaps you would be elected and your discontent is because you do not agree with the way PTC is working.
The sheer arrogance and complacency of others who have been sat in their seats for far too long has really stirred up the Island. People are now aware of what powers this council really have.So the question remains,do we need PTC? I have mentioned before that there are some good people within PTC who wish to do good things for the Island,imposing this precept rise is not one of them. PTC have gone the wrong way about this and now that is acknowledged.We welcome the backtracking of course we do but this should never have happened in the first place.The truth of the matter is that we will never again have the independence that was relinquished many years ago,when under PUDC the Royal Manor of Portland was a much more tidier, happier, place.and we paid once for the services received.

Hear Hear to that foursite. By the way do you happen to know who the councilor was who kicked off over at Tescos with some one getting a petition up?

[quote][p][bold]Foursite[/bold] wrote:
Thanks for the clarification Ray the high n mighty comment was simply because of the way this was imposed on us without consultation.Its good you have found your voice and a shame others have not come out to explain themselves in their thinking without seeking consent from the electorate.There seems now to be some backtracking from Councillors apart from the bloody minded proposer,who with his family within the council wish to bully this ridiculous increase forward. Its a shame you have decided not to stand again,(if indeed we decide we need a council,).because I for one acknowledge the work you have done for Tophill hill regarding our historic windmills,this can only be applauded.I think perhaps you would be elected and your discontent is because you do not agree with the way PTC is working.
The sheer arrogance and complacency of others who have been sat in their seats for far too long has really stirred up the Island. People are now aware of what powers this council really have.So the question remains,do we need PTC? I have mentioned before that there are some good people within PTC who wish to do good things for the Island,imposing this precept rise is not one of them. PTC have gone the wrong way about this and now that is acknowledged.We welcome the backtracking of course we do but this should never have happened in the first place.The truth of the matter is that we will never again have the independence that was relinquished many years ago,when under PUDC the Royal Manor of Portland was a much more tidier, happier, place.and we paid once for the services received.[/p][/quote]Hear Hear to that foursite. By the way do you happen to know who the councilor was who kicked off over at Tescos with some one getting a petition up?radiator

Foursite wrote…

Thanks for the clarification Ray the high n mighty comment was simply because of the way this was imposed on us without consultation.Its good you have found your voice and a shame others have not come out to explain themselves in their thinking without seeking consent from the electorate.There seems now to be some backtracking from Councillors apart from the bloody minded proposer,who with his family within the council wish to bully this ridiculous increase forward. Its a shame you have decided not to stand again,(if indeed we decide we need a council,).because I for one acknowledge the work you have done for Tophill hill regarding our historic windmills,this can only be applauded.I think perhaps you would be elected and your discontent is because you do not agree with the way PTC is working.
The sheer arrogance and complacency of others who have been sat in their seats for far too long has really stirred up the Island. People are now aware of what powers this council really have.So the question remains,do we need PTC? I have mentioned before that there are some good people within PTC who wish to do good things for the Island,imposing this precept rise is not one of them. PTC have gone the wrong way about this and now that is acknowledged.We welcome the backtracking of course we do but this should never have happened in the first place.The truth of the matter is that we will never again have the independence that was relinquished many years ago,when under PUDC the Royal Manor of Portland was a much more tidier, happier, place.and we paid once for the services received.

Hear Hear to that foursite. By the way do you happen to know who the councilor was who kicked off over at Tescos with some one getting a petition up?

Score: 2

southwellman
1:04pm Sat 25 Jan 14

I think we should all avoid using red house as a business and indeed any business they hold. hit them where they want to hit us.

I think we should all avoid using red house as a business and indeed any business they hold. hit them where they want to hit us.southwellman

I think we should all avoid using red house as a business and indeed any business they hold. hit them where they want to hit us.

Score: 8

Crabber
4:05pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Coun Tim Munro, who put forward the proposal to put up the precept, said it was incorrect to say the standing order had been infringed as the mayor could have intervened at the meeting in December but failed to do so.

Because yet again you Munro allegedly bullied both The Mayor & The Town Clerk. Does it make you more of a Man to Bully (A) A 90+ year old well respected member of our community ? & (B) A very Religious Man who would as the Bible says "Turn the Other Cheek". It seems that bullying is the Normal Activity for members of PTC Councillor RODNEY WILD decided on Thursday last to go and indirectly verbally abuse the Disabled Lady who was collecting Petition Signatures in Easton, to the extent he was warned THREE times re his demeanor and was informed that if he didn't remove himself the Police would be called.

This comes after an incident at the PTC Offices on Monday night when the Public were excluded from a meeting whereby Councillor RICHARD DENTON-WHITE verbally abuse a lady

and these are the sort of People who are representing the People of The Isle & Royal Manor of Portland, well not me you don't Just a few last words ADOLF HITLER DIED IN 1945 so did most of his bully-boy henchmen

Coun Tim Munro, who put forward the proposal to put up the precept, said it was incorrect to say the standing order had been infringed as the mayor could have intervened at the meeting in December but failed to do so.
Because yet again you Munro allegedly bullied both The Mayor & The Town Clerk. Does it make you more of a Man to Bully (A) A 90+ year old well respected member of our community ? & (B) A very Religious Man who would as the Bible says "Turn the Other Cheek". It seems that bullying is the Normal Activity for members of PTC Councillor RODNEY WILD decided on Thursday last to go and indirectly verbally abuse the Disabled Lady who was collecting Petition Signatures in Easton, to the extent he was warned THREE times re his demeanor and was informed that if he didn't remove himself the Police would be called.
This comes after an incident at the PTC Offices on Monday night when the Public were excluded from a meeting whereby Councillor RICHARD DENTON-WHITE verbally abuse a lady
and these are the sort of People who are representing the People of The Isle & Royal Manor of Portland, well not me you don't Just a few last words ADOLF HITLER DIED IN 1945 so did most of his bully-boy henchmenCrabber

Coun Tim Munro, who put forward the proposal to put up the precept, said it was incorrect to say the standing order had been infringed as the mayor could have intervened at the meeting in December but failed to do so.

Because yet again you Munro allegedly bullied both The Mayor & The Town Clerk. Does it make you more of a Man to Bully (A) A 90+ year old well respected member of our community ? & (B) A very Religious Man who would as the Bible says "Turn the Other Cheek". It seems that bullying is the Normal Activity for members of PTC Councillor RODNEY WILD decided on Thursday last to go and indirectly verbally abuse the Disabled Lady who was collecting Petition Signatures in Easton, to the extent he was warned THREE times re his demeanor and was informed that if he didn't remove himself the Police would be called.

This comes after an incident at the PTC Offices on Monday night when the Public were excluded from a meeting whereby Councillor RICHARD DENTON-WHITE verbally abuse a lady

and these are the sort of People who are representing the People of The Isle & Royal Manor of Portland, well not me you don't Just a few last words ADOLF HITLER DIED IN 1945 so did most of his bully-boy henchmen

Score: 1

Genghis
11:03am Sun 26 Jan 14

Rocksalt wrote…

I have mentioned on several threads that I don't understand why Dorset has so many layers of local government. Last week when criticising the precept rise I thought that PTC should be abolished. On reflection, I have changed my mind.

I suspect that it's entirely likely that WPBC will sell Portland short when the going gets tougher. With that in mind I would be happier with DCC running the major services with PTC running parks, street lighting, the cemetery etc. This model works perfectly well in at least one other rural council. I might want a change of councillors, though.

If you look at WPBC it's difficult to see what they actually do nowadays given that so many services are outsourced or delivered by countywide contractors.
I know it won't happen - too complicated and time consuming - but would achieve the same as the councillors are seeking without any need for an increased precept. For example, I am sure we could afford to maintain Easton and Victoria gardens with Portland's share of the WPBC parks and recreation budget.

You are correct. We do not need three or even two layers of local government. Time to get rid of PTC and W&PBC.

[quote][p][bold]Rocksalt[/bold] wrote:
I have mentioned on several threads that I don't understand why Dorset has so many layers of local government. Last week when criticising the precept rise I thought that PTC should be abolished. On reflection, I have changed my mind.
I suspect that it's entirely likely that WPBC will sell Portland short when the going gets tougher. With that in mind I would be happier with DCC running the major services with PTC running parks, street lighting, the cemetery etc. This model works perfectly well in at least one other rural council. I might want a change of councillors, though.
If you look at WPBC it's difficult to see what they actually do nowadays given that so many services are outsourced or delivered by countywide contractors.
I know it won't happen - too complicated and time consuming - but would achieve the same as the councillors are seeking without any need for an increased precept. For example, I am sure we could afford to maintain Easton and Victoria gardens with Portland's share of the WPBC parks and recreation budget.[/p][/quote]You are correct. We do not need three or even two layers of local government. Time to get rid of PTC and W&PBC.Genghis

Rocksalt wrote…

I have mentioned on several threads that I don't understand why Dorset has so many layers of local government. Last week when criticising the precept rise I thought that PTC should be abolished. On reflection, I have changed my mind.

I suspect that it's entirely likely that WPBC will sell Portland short when the going gets tougher. With that in mind I would be happier with DCC running the major services with PTC running parks, street lighting, the cemetery etc. This model works perfectly well in at least one other rural council. I might want a change of councillors, though.

If you look at WPBC it's difficult to see what they actually do nowadays given that so many services are outsourced or delivered by countywide contractors.
I know it won't happen - too complicated and time consuming - but would achieve the same as the councillors are seeking without any need for an increased precept. For example, I am sure we could afford to maintain Easton and Victoria gardens with Portland's share of the WPBC parks and recreation budget.

You are correct. We do not need three or even two layers of local government. Time to get rid of PTC and W&PBC.

Score: 1

Nomalice
12:37pm Mon 27 Jan 14

I am sure there are lots of reasons for why this precept hike is considered to be WRONG.
The method of it's introduction is questionable, both morally and legally.
The consequences to the decision will be felt ,by the electorate , in many differing ways.
Here is just one little calculation that the better off and especially those responsible for setting tax levels need to consider.

And, with,year on year,percentage increases,will become an ever-present burden for those least able to afford it.

Regardless of the future of Portland Town Council, the Precept Increase Proposal needs to be reconsidered.

Please, Please THINK AGAIN.

I am sure there are lots of reasons for why this precept hike is considered to be WRONG.
The method of it's introduction is questionable, both morally and legally.
The consequences to the decision will be felt ,by the electorate , in many differing ways.
Here is just one little calculation that the better off and especially those responsible for setting tax levels need to consider.
Pensioners Winter Fuel Allowance. =. £200 per annum
Energy Companies Hike (£300 over 3 years). =. £100 per annum
Food Bill increase (on just £50 / week shop). =. £ 50 per annum
Proposed precept increase. =. £. 72 per annum
Hard Winter means serious problems because not everyone will be entitled to or will ask for help with increasing bills.
And, with,year on year,percentage increases,will become an ever-present burden for those least able to afford it.
Regardless of the future of Portland Town Council, the Precept Increase Proposal needs to be reconsidered.
Please, Please THINK AGAIN.Nomalice

I am sure there are lots of reasons for why this precept hike is considered to be WRONG.
The method of it's introduction is questionable, both morally and legally.
The consequences to the decision will be felt ,by the electorate , in many differing ways.
Here is just one little calculation that the better off and especially those responsible for setting tax levels need to consider.

And, with,year on year,percentage increases,will become an ever-present burden for those least able to afford it.

Regardless of the future of Portland Town Council, the Precept Increase Proposal needs to be reconsidered.

Please, Please THINK AGAIN.

Score: 0

Throckape
12:48pm Thu 30 Jan 14

There are some passionate arguments against the precept. The councillors would be wise to take heed of the strong public feeling and throw out any increase above inflation.

Personally my vote is for no council or precept. But that is 'just me' ..

Councillors please note - Nobody supports the precept rise.

There are some passionate arguments against the precept. The councillors would be wise to take heed of the strong public feeling and throw out any increase above inflation.
Personally my vote is for no council or precept. But that is 'just me' ..
Councillors please note - Nobody supports the precept rise.Throckape

There are some passionate arguments against the precept. The councillors would be wise to take heed of the strong public feeling and throw out any increase above inflation.

Personally my vote is for no council or precept. But that is 'just me' ..

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