Romain Grosjean

People talk about Grosjean having hope in this way and that way, his pace being good at this and that, etc... To me it all seems completely beside the point when he can hardly finish a first lap 50% of the time. He seems like the biggest disaster in F1 since Badoer and who knows how long previous to that.

It's one thing to be slow or not competitive (which he happens to otherwise not be in most regards), but it's a million times worse to be destroying millions in equipment left and right along with the aspirations and possibly even careers of other drivers by turning them into innocent victims of shrapnel. It takes much less than an accident to make or break a driver's season. To have a guy like Grojean going around and crashing into people over and over is just completely unacceptable to me.

People talk about Grosjean having hope in this way and that way, his pace being good at this and that, etc... To me it all seems completely beside the point when he can hardly finish a first lap 50% of the time. He seems like the biggest disaster in F1 since Badoer and who knows how long previous to that.

It's one thing to be slow or not competitive (which he happens to otherwise not be in most regards), but it's a million times worse to be destroying millions in equipment left and right along with the aspirations and possibly even careers of other drivers by turning them into innocent victims of shrapnel. It takes much less than an accident to make or break a driver's season. To have a guy like Grojean going around and crashing into people over and over is just completely unacceptable to me.

people were saying the same about mika hakkinen ... but mclaren stuck with him and we all saw what happened next. the fact of the matter is this, put aside TOTAL and being half french ... the teams have more data than us,they know what they can squeeze out of this guy in the long run. also look at it like this, Romain has made so many mistakes so far that from now on he'll have to be more subordinate to the team when it comes to claws/extensions etc ... it has somewhat robbed him of his bargain chips which a team always likes

but jokes aside, i wish him a great carrier, he is fast and proven race winner in GP2. so let's give him the chance he needs

Also look at it like this, Romain has made so many mistakes so far that from now on he'll have to be more subordinate to the team when it comes to claws/extensions etc ... it has somewhat robbed him of his bargain chips which a team always likes ;)

I would seriously like to know how the salary negotiations go when Boullier is both Grosjean's manager and the team boss. Split personality? Doing the negotiations with a mirror? Does he play hard ball with himself? Call a bunch of teams and tell himself his driver has interest from other teams? Does he bluff and what happens if he calls his own bluff?

I would seriously like to know how the salary negotiations go when Boullier is both Grosjean's manager and the team boss. Split personality? Doing the negotiations with a mirror? Does he play hard ball with himself? Call a bunch of teams and tell himself his driver has interest from other teams? Does he bluff and what happens if he calls his own bluff?

I would seriously like to know how the salary negotiations go when Boullier is both Grosjean's manager and the team boss. Split personality? Doing the negotiations with a mirror? Does he play hard ball with himself? Call a bunch of teams and tell himself his driver has interest from other teams? Does he bluff and what happens if he calls his own bluff?

I don't see why this is different from the Briatore - Alonso or the Dennis - Hamilton relationships. Boullier is the CEO of Gravity Sport Management, wich is basically the driver development program of Lotus and Gravity, they support 13 other drivers besides Grosjean.

Under considerable scrutiny following a troubled race in Japan, Romain would inevitably be under watchful eyes at every stage of the Korean Grand Prix weekend; something the young Frenchman carried on his shoulders with admirable composure.

A clean start despite notable pressure from cars around him, followed by a conservatively driven race avoiding potential dramas at various stages will have done wonders for the 2011 GP2 Series Champion’s confidence heading into the final phase of the season.

Understandably cautious at times, Romain could perhaps have done slightly more to maintain position during a tense battle with Lewis Hamilton and Nico Hulkenberg, but that aside there is much reason for encouragement following another points finish. There can be no doubting the man’s pace either, having topped his team-mate’s best lap time in the race.

regarding romains pace against hulkenberg ....

Another area for investigation before heading to India is the baffling behaviour of the tyres experienced at different points of the weekend; particularly in the early stages. Both drivers noted excessive graining from the Pirelli rubber; Romain in particular being forced to nurse the car home in the race. Variations between sets of the same compound rubber is something the team will have to anticipate if the drivers are to feel completely at one behind the wheel from the outset.

The last time I got promoted we agreed that I would take up the new position but it took us a month to come to terms over the salary. We hade different views and my new boss did not have final say but had to negotiate with her boss. I started negotiating a month and a half before I even took up the position so there was no immediate rush either. I can't imagine how complex the contract must be for a driver in F1 and how many different things they can negotiate about. AND they have at least two more months until it needs to come to effect.

If you actually read the list, you would have noticed that today's incident is in the 'racing incidents' pile not where it says Grosjean 'caused'. The only mistake I made was that "Abu Dhabi 2012 - contact with Grosjean - first lap" when I mean "Abu Dhabi 2012 - contact with Rosberg - first lap" .

If you count today than every driver has had incidents in nearly every race.

But no other driver has consistently had issues in the opening laps like Grosjean.

Could have done more to avoid getting hit by Perez - he had full visibility of Perez coming back on track like a madman. At the end of the day, it's not about whose fault it is (certainly not Romain's), but bringing home points for the team. Lotus can still catch McLaren.

Could have done more to avoid getting hit by Perez - he had full visibility of Perez coming back on track like a madman. At the end of the day, it's not about whose fault it is (certainly not Romain's), but bringing home points for the team. Lotus can still catch McLaren.

By trying to gain a position, he was trying to get more points. Some people expect him to just sit and roll over cuz of his previous incidents, but he's gotta maintain a competitive attitude still.

He was 5th when everyone had made one pit stop. I would say that was a pretty good race until the incident with Perez. Would probably have done a 2nd pit stop like Vettel and could have gain some places with the 2nd SC

He was 5th when everyone had made one pit stop. I would say that was a pretty good race until the incident with Perez. Would probably have done a 2nd pit stop like Vettel and could have gain some places with the 2nd SC

You do realise he was part of the incident that caused the second safety car?

I must apologise my words on other threads about Romain that were done on the heat of a moment Romain is a nice guy, I like him, he is a future grand prix winner (maybe even champion) and I truly wishhe will continue with Lotus, he and Kimi are great team mates.

I must apologise my words on other threads about Romain that were done on the heat of a moment Romain is a nice guy, I like him, he is a future grand prix winner (maybe even champion) and I truly wishhe will continue with Lotus, he and Kimi are great team mates.

Sorry to say, but it was so moronic what you were writing... but it's very nice that after all you're able to say "I'm sorry". A really big .

And I must say, I can understand that as well. The last part of the race was ..."a bit" stressful for Lotus and Kimi fans .

"I'm not in any way comparing these two drivers, but take Takuma Sato. People said, "The day he learns to stop crashing, he'll be amazing." I always thought, "No, the day he learns that he'll actually be driving slower.""You can't take one trait out of a driver and keep the rest. If you remove Lewis's aggression, he'll be a slower driver. Is that what he or McLaren want? I don't think so."

Now Romain is also like Sato, isn't it?He have been in Podium or Crash and often won his great teammate at early season, but now he is just driving slower.

And Romain, well, I hope anybody who wrote him off before is now looking at him in a different light. There's a reason a lot of us have been telling people to take him more seriously. Great thing is, qualifying has never been his specialty. He's a better racer than qualifier, much like Lewis.

Any news on Romain's contract for 2013?
I understood that TOTAL's sponsorship option was up for renewal after the Korean GP week-end.
That's a few weeks ago already.
Are Lotus "playing the field" for a 2nd driver/ Romain to be demoted to reserve?
I know he's had more than a season's share of incidents but I reckon he's worth his seat for 2013.
Kimi and Romain could be even better for 2013 than the already good 2012.

i think in Grojean's case, Lotus should think deeper - it's not about talent, but mentality. He can be really fast on his days, but tops likes Hamilton fast; but like so many have said, you are not always going to win. And being Kimi's teammate, we all know how much pressure that brings. Whoever that is going to be Kimi's teammate has to have exceptional mental strength for their own sake, otherwise could be easily shattered if they are not completely and ONLY focusing in their own game.

Any news on Romain's contract for 2013?I understood that TOTAL's sponsorship option was up for renewal after the Korean GP week-end.That's a few weeks ago already.Are Lotus "playing the field" for a 2nd driver/ Romain to be demoted to reserve?I know he's had more than a season's share of incidents but I reckon he's worth his seat for 2013.Kimi and Romain could be even better for 2013 than the already good 2012.

They didnt use their option. Boullier said before abu dhabi gp that they will have to see maybe until the after the season if Romain has really learned to avoid collissions and then they will sign him for long term but at the moment they have other driver choices as well.

Any news on Romain's contract for 2013?I understood that TOTAL's sponsorship option was up for renewal after the Korean GP week-end.That's a few weeks ago already.Are Lotus "playing the field" for a 2nd driver/ Romain to be demoted to reserve?I know he's had more than a season's share of incidents but I reckon he's worth his seat for 2013.Kimi and Romain could be even better for 2013 than the already good 2012.

How many points have Lotus lost due to ROM mistakes?Being 4th vs 3rd vs 2nd in the constructors, what's the financial difference?

That aside, Lotus knows that if the team should have a good chance taking the driver title, they need TWO drivers collecting points, avoiding competitors taking them!I'm quite sure Lotus have a big issue with this as they know Kimi understand this as well...

Also, GRO has the "bad luck" having a partner with the highest level of race craft in F1 (together with Fernando IMHO), making the difference VERY obvious.

GRo has issues with his spatial awareness, something that is difficult to learn. I really want GRO to mature as he has been a good partner to Kimi in ALL other aspects. Both are fast, down to earth, loyal!

i think in Grojean's case, Lotus should think deeper - it's not about talent, but mentality. He can be really fast on his days, but tops likes Hamilton fast; but like so many have said, you are not always going to win. And being Kimi's teammate, we all know how much pressure that brings. Whoever that is going to be Kimi's teammate has to have exceptional mental strength for their own sake, otherwise could be easily shattered if they are not completely and ONLY focusing in their own game.

Having Kimi as a teammate isn't that big a hurdle for a decent driver. Its not like having Alonso or Lewis or anything. Kimi is very beatable.

I do think Grosjean's problem is mentality, though, but not because of his teammate, because he's shown he can be just as fast, but because of his own actions. He has a lot of pressure to stay out of trouble, but he also cant just be a push-over and lose what makes him quick in the first place. I really think this wont last. He's an aggressive driver, but he's got good racecraft in him. I think Lotus should sign him again to alleviate some pressure, because he's got enough as it is. He's a good prospect and they'd be wise to hold on to an asset like him.

Having Kimi as a teammate isn't that big a hurdle for a decent driver. Its not like having Alonso or Lewis or anything. Kimi is very beatable.

Very clever to put his name along, so that you perfectly cover yourself from the '07 season documentalists who might have reminded you the exact "Having Alonso as a teammate isn't that big a hurdle for a decent driver"

LOL man, give Kimi a break please! He's been as strong as anyone this season

Very clever to put his name along, so that you perfectly cover yourself from the '07 season documentalists who might have reminded you the exact "Having Alonso as a teammate isn't that big a hurdle for a decent driver"

LOL man, give Kimi a break please! He's been as strong as anyone this season

I put his name along cuz I rank him right there with Alonso. Nothing more than that, man.

I'm not slamming Kimi, I'm just saying going up against him isn't like going up against one of the top drivers or anything. Like, he's not such an immense talent that he'll wreck some young kid's spirit or something like nectar was getting at.

I put his name along cuz I rank him right there with Alonso. Nothing more than that, man.

I'm not slamming Kimi, I'm just saying going up against him isn't like going up against one of the top drivers or anything. Like, he's not such an immense talent that he'll wreck some young kid's spirit or something like nectar was getting at.

Well, Trulli and Ham might disagree with you about Alonso being unbeatable, hell, even Button can look back his years alongside Ham and think he was able to beat him fair and square in WDC in 2011. Also, Alonso has such a ridiculous #1 position in team that its a miracle that even a driver of Trullis calibre could beat him... imagine if Trulli had equal status with Alonso back then

How many points have Lotus lost due to ROM mistakes?Being 4th vs 3rd vs 2nd in the constructors, what's the financial difference?

That aside, Lotus knows that if the team should have a good chance taking the driver title, they need TWO drivers collecting points, avoiding competitors taking them!I'm quite sure Lotus have a big issue with this as they know Kimi understand this as well...

There's few available drivers who have more raw pace than Grosjean. So it's a matter of choice for Lotus. Do they want raw near front row speed and occasional DNF's, or do they want a consistent points finisher, which they already have with Kimi by the way. There isn't much available on the driver's market. Perhaps a Sutil could do better than Grosjean, but not much else there. Alguersuari isn't capable, Kobayashi isn't capable. It pretty much ends with those drivers.