Enhance Your Penis in the Shower

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I was going to see a doctor today, he has never practiced medicine and he has never seen a patient. My wife said I should go to see a doctor who has a real license and practice. Hell, I don't know what to do!!!

I would also like to point out, that while I do not consider my viewpoints to be infallible, stating things in absolutist terms is not in and of itself a fallacy.

Rbi99, if the licensed doctor tells you that your liver is in your foot, while the unlicensed one tells you that it is in fact in your torso, who do you believe then? If I make a statement that is true, my lack of experience will not untruth-ify my statement.

I've only seen it mentioned once in this entire thread, and nobody responded, but has anyone considered that maybe there's more going on with jelqs beyond all the "balloon theory"? Looking at things on a smaller scale, not viewing the penis as a collection of clown balloons, but get down to the veins and cellular structure. jelqing semi erect allows one to push the blood through the entire structure of the penis depth wise because a grip can be done to squeeze the entire member whereas erect jelq provides too much rigidity to squeeze down into the penis (you just end up hitting the CCs and not the entire penile structure of muscle, veins and tunica). What I believe happens is that the area just ahead of the grip as you slide along is pushing blood forcefully through the veins and they are expanding as you proceed along with the jelq. By expanding the veins and this increasing the capacity for blood flow through the penis over time doesn't it stand to reason that EQ will improve and cellular regeneration (from other exercises) will be more effective? I also believe that semi erect jelqs will target the smooth muscle effectively and break down that structure for growth repair.

I have zero idea if any of this is true or valid, but it is obvious that semi erect jelqing does result in gains for people and something besides blowing up the balloons beyond capacity is going on. If you just want to expand from 100% to 110% then do some Ulis, but there's more at work with the semi erect jelq and I'd be curious to know what it is.

"Be nice to your penis, you should encourage it to grow, not force it to"
"Gains occur while balancing the fine line between undertraining and overtraining"
"Undertraining slows the gains, overtraining stops them"

I think the assumption is (because eiffel keeps moving the goal posts) the penis is capable of reaching 100% EQ and the tunica is now the limiting factor. Based upon these assumptions, the PE'er would need to target the tunica for additional gains.

I infer this because the primary focus of this discussion is related to expanding the tunica because it is the limiting factor.

So, I was going to bother to list all the instances where eiffel applies popular fallacy in his arguments, but I quickly realized they are omnipresent. Some which reoccur most frequently are over simplicity, argument by laziness, false authority, burden of proof, appeal to complexity (all this in his first post).

The problem is when people invest their time to answer this obviously loaded question, they are either accused of Ad Hominem or their answers are countered by dissmissal, argument from rhetorical question, argument by spurious similarity, False dichotomy, moving the goal posts, appeal to pity, etc.

eiffel has a rudimentary understanding of fallacy but can only find it in other people's posts. He has no clue that it is the bedrock of his arguments and counter arguments...or he's trolling. (jury is still out)

eiffel's original assertion and his steadfast holding to plastic deformation is the inherent weakness to the approach. It over simplifies the complex dynamic of the living tissue which make up the penis. Basing all tunica gains on the plastic deformation of the penis ignores the contributing effects of the regeneration of the living tissue and creates a red herring. This oversimplification of the subject could have been avoided by experience. Further, the dogged assertion that all gains are from plastic deformation and that any reply needs to disprove this oversimplification in the prescribed manner is a task of futility.

Might as well demand an comprehensive proof or disproof of the theory of relativity but I'll only accept answers on a single post-it note written in purple crayon.

When my cock is very hard, I find it alot harder to force blood up. Also, even at around 60% erect, my girth is at its max, and when I am jelqing it goes above max girth without having an erection. With that being said, I like 80-90% eq jelqs, and measured my highest erect girth from doing these, so they are great for gains. And yeah, everyone bugs out when confronted with the idea of erect jelqing but it is really only as dangerous as you make it, as with any other exercise..

While some good points were made, I still see this thread polluted with "What could YOU possibly know, you wee little newbie?" comments that I thought would be understood as fallacious by now.

This is an incorrect interpretation of what people said. I see this thread full of "if you weren't such a newbie, you would have already figured out the errors in your claims." [and then not have stated them]