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No one accused you of being racist or hating religion in this thread. Perhaps you should step back and read the responses without automatically assuming that because some find it silly, generalizing or even offensive, that you must be racist or hate God.

That's exactly what i'm saying. I knew that people on here wouldn't jump on this thread and start accusing me of racism without first understanding what i'm asking.

Milker, why exactly are you seriously interested in this topic? Perhaps if you explain that, more people will take it seriously. And what research have you done on this topic, prior to asking in the forum?

This subject is something that has always been in my mind. Rather than making this a fact, I was interested to know how this faith in Christianity grew from the slaves. Jabez gave me very good points that I didn't think of. I couldn't go to sleep last night because I was thinking what he wrote and I was making more sense of the situation now that I have more pointers to work with.

I have looked for answers in books, forums, and some PBS shows about African American roots. Most of what I found either degenerated into bad discussions or didn't really go deep into how the faith grew during slavery.

Interestingly enough, what Malcom X is asking is not what I'm asking. When I said "white God" i was thinking about the white people's God, not the color of God.

In the minds of the African people, as for us, God is not more the God of the White than the Black: God has created the Man of all races. He's is the God of all of us (Old Testament).

The same question arises with all other religions.The Bible has reached every continents, and with, all the races.

At the end, Christianity, is born in the region of the Jourdan (New Testament).But it is now practiced in Europe and elsewhere in the World. Why not only by the Arabs or the Hebrew ? Because God is the God of all of us.

As I'm sure you know from church or from your Western Civilization classes in school, Christianity is a religion that developed in Africa -- specifically, in the Jerusalem area of the Palestine province in the northern part of the African continent, approximately two thousand years ago.

Let's start from the Old Testament which says (the root of the Christianity):We all are the descendant of Adam and Eve. Black or White, Yellow or Green..

Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)

Noah, a man of the soil, was the first to plant a vineyard. He drank some of the wine and became drunk, and he lay uncovered in his tent. And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brothers outside. Then Shem and Japheth took a garment, laid it on both their shoulders, and walked backward and covered the nakedness of their father; their faces were turned away, and they did not see their father's nakedness. When Noah awoke from his wine and knew what his youngest son had done to him, he said, "Cursed be Canaan; lowest of slaves shall he be to his brothers." He also said, "Blessed by the Lord my God be Shem; and let Canaan be his slave. May God make space for Japheth, and let him live in the tents of Shem; and let Canaan be his slave." (Genesis 9:20-27 NRSV)

5 Slaves, be obedient to those who are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in the sincerity of your heart, as to Christ; 6 not by way of eyeservice, as men-pleasers, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart. 7 With good will render service, as to the Lord, and not to men, 8 knowing that whatever good thing each one does, this he will receive back from the Lord, whether slave or free.

EDIT: I see this was already posted. Never mind! Thread's all yours, Milker X !

EDIT 2: Oops...nope. That was another passage condoning slavery. And why wouldn't this be part of the thread, Milker? Isn't that the whole point of your asking?

thunter34 I feel sorry for you. You can't express yourself in another way than the way you do: meaningless.Either you have arguments, either you don't talk. Otherwise, you will appears just like a troll.

Dachshund Again Christ Died in our place so men have been forgiven by God.

And why wouldn't this be part of the thread, Milker? Isn't that the whole point of your asking?

Of course the contents of the books are to be taken into account, but my question was more general and I didn't want to start arguing about each line of the books, which is what I see starting to happen. That kind of discussion goes nowhere in a thread and gets heated fast.

Sorry John but you can't have it both ways. If you're going to throw bible quotes at us to try and prove your point fine. It's convienient of you to ignore the verses I quote because you can't defend them.

So John I ask again do you believe the bible is the living word of God?

Of course the contents of the books are to be taken into account, but my question was more general and I didn't want to start arguing about each line of the books, which is what I see starting to happen. That kind of discussion goes nowhere in a thread and gets heated fast.

Milker.

So you wanted to ask, in the most lukewarm manner possible, about "why are black people" believing "in the white christian God" - in view of the tainted history of slavery in the US....but without bringing slavery-specific Biblical verse into the conversation?

Your God John commands you murder someone who practices another religion. Seems a little harsh don't you think? But let me get this straight. It's cool if I kill a Hindu because God commands it and since he croaked for my sins I won't have to worry about it?

1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

So you wanted to ask, in the most lukewarm manner possible, about "why are black people" believing "in the white christian God" - in view of the tainted history of slavery in the US....but without bringing slavery-specific Biblical verse into the conversation?

Yes. It's like asking why some homosexuals are Christians. I think Jabez demonstrated very well that this has to do with the power of faith. I think that every individual can find a verse that he or she may not completely agree with. This doesn't make them unable to follow the overall word of God.

Of course the contents of the books are to be taken into account, but my question was more general and I didn't want to start arguing about each line of the books, which is what I see starting to happen. That kind of discussion goes nowhere in a thread and gets heated fast.

Milker.

Argh. The truth is that I shouldn't be posting much of anything in this thread because I think it's another wretched little exercise of your's, Millker. You always - ALWAYS - do this: Post some broad, far-reaching, way over generalized and potentially inflammatory OP, then spend the rest of the time saying, "I'm not asking this" and "it shouldn't be that"...etc.

When the truth is that I suspect you've been hitting the sauce and just got the itch to post the next great controversial thread.

I mean, seriously...you couldn't sleep last night tossing and turning your mind over the issue of "the black man" worshipping "the white man's God"? And you DIDN'T expect this to go anywhere offensive? SRSLY?

Yes. It's like asking why some homosexuals are Christians. I think Jabez demonstrated very well that this has to do with the power of faith. I think that every individual can find a verse that he or she may not completely agree with. This doesn't make them unable to follow the overall word of God.

The Bible has been written by the men.The Bible is made of different text, written by different people at different time in the History (and not necessarily at the same time of the events).We also know that they was some pressure made on the scribe who wrote the Bible, so the Bible might not reflect the truth.The theology is a living science.

In between, what we can be sure, is that Christ Died in our place so men have been forgiven by God.And that as long as you recognize sincerely Jesus as your Saviour, your sins will be forgiven.

Argh. The truth is that I shouldn't be posting much of anything in this thread because I think it's another wretched little exercise of your's, Millker. You always - ALWAYS - do this: Post some broad, far-reaching, way over generalized and potentially inflammatory OP, then spend the rest of the time saying, "I'm not asking this" and "it shouldn't be that"...etc.

When the truth is that I suspect you've been hitting the sauce and just got the itch to post the next great controversial thread.

I mean, seriously...you couldn't sleep last night tossing and turning your mind over the issue of "the black man" worshipping "the white man's God"? And you DIDN'T expect this to go anywhere offensive? SRSLY?

I'm not the best at expressing exactly what I'm asking, that's true, that's why I constantly try to refocus. I guess what you're saying is that I'm too general in my questions and I should take more time to think about it so that it is better focused to start with. The problem is that with this topic, there are so many things to think about, I mean there is religion, slavery, and we're talking about thing that have been happening for thousands of years. It's not an easy topic to focus, and so when I see answers that go beyond what I'm trying to understand, that's where I say "that's not what i'm asking". Sorry if I'm confusing, but this is definitely not an exercise to see how many answers i'll get before the thread will be locked, contrary to what you seem to think about my intentions. I hope you don't think the same thing about the thread about crating that I left a few minutes ago in off topic.

Daschund, I didn't have that answer before reading Jabez's.

You know, there are topics that may be so obvious to you that you are all wondering why the hell is he asking this, it's so simple? Well sometimes the simple answer is so simple that you can't see it until someone points it to you.

John, thanks for your answer. It didn't seem so simple to me, as I just explained, but now I understand better.

The Bible has been written by the men.The Bible is made of different text, written by different people at different time in the History (and not necessarily at the same time of the events).We also know that they was some pressure made on the scribe who wrote the Bible, so the Bible might not reflect the truth.The theology is a living science.

In between, what we can be sure, is that Christ Died in our place so men have been forgiven by God.And that as long as you recognize sincerely Jesus as your Saviour, your sins will be forgiven.

The key point is to believe in Jesus, and that Jesus Died in our place.And Christ have been sent to the Earth because of the sins of the men.

quoted for LULZ

Summary: "This origins of this text are highly dubious, and there is a strong likelihood of bullshit.

God gives men the choices all along their life.If the Bible was so obvious, there won't be choices.

The faith is above the Bible itself. Its a relationship with God.The Bible is just a way to reach God. This way is not perfect, because it has been written by men, and men have sins.

You might also think: where do you was before you born. Where will you be after ? How do you came in between ?Or things like: This is an atom. It has 1 proton, 1 neutron and 1 electron. Where is the soul ? The love ? The thinking ? in it ?Etc.

God gives men the choices all along their life.If the Bible was so obvious, there won't be choices.

The faith is above the Bible itself. Its a relationship with God.The Bible is just a way to reach God. This way is not perfect, because it has been written by men, and men have sins.

You might also think: where do you was before you born. Where will you be after ? How do you came in between ?Or things like: This is an atom. It has 1 proton, 1 neutron and 1 electron. Where is the soul ? The love ? The thinking ? in it ?Etc.

Yes, I guess God gave you the choice to conveniently quote the bible when it suits you. Just remember John the forums consist of atheists and people of other faiths. I'm out of here, I got a Christian on the barbecue as we speak.

Consider all of the people who live in the remote regions of the world who have never even heard the "gospel" of Jesus Christ. Consider the people who have naturally adhered to the religion of their parents and nation as they had been taught to do since birth. If we are to believe the Christians, all of these people will perish in the eternal fire for not believing in Jesus. It does not matter how just, kind, and generous they have been with their fellow humans during their lifetime: if they do not accept the gospel of Jesus, they are condemned. No just God would ever judge a man by his beliefs rather than his actions.

Look beyond the ready to cut-and-past quote you can find on the net.You don't even know if the Bible as it is, is not of the wishes of God.It has been demonstrated that some parts of the Bible have been written under pressure.So a Christian will very probably ignore such quotes, thinking he can't either understand them fully now,or they have been incorrectly translated from the reality.The Bible has been inspired by God, as it is. But all the others religions as well.To gives you the choice. And maybe the "mistakes" are here to test your faith..What matter the most, is to be good in your life.The religion is a personal choice.God is Just and Good. Don't worry for the remote regions.

John let me save you the trouble dude. I'm an atheist. Don't believe in a God, never did, never will. You can preach till you're blue in the face and I will never buy it. Quote scripture, don't quote scripture, I don't care 'cause to be honest I really ain't paying attention.

Wonder what the bible has to say about disclosure?

That is pretty funny though coming from you the Queen of cut and paste.

Wether or not you understand the thread it was Milker who started it, so if you have anything to say on the subject then say it to him..so please stick with the OP or leave it alone...thanks for your cooperation.

I think my avatar says it all. Even what I wrote beneath it... Milky, I sure hope you got some insight to your question. I have never seen so many Bible quotes thrown around that's for sure. And I thought Philly stayed on his knees because he was praying.... Thunter Bunny, How dare you get turned on by Jesus, you're going to hell for sure because I am the only one who is suppose to turn you on...(I wish)... And I think you would prefer my underworld than the Christian hell. I have naked men.... How about a game of naked twister....

Hey Feng Shaun, Share the acid dude and then we can sing "Do you hear what I hear" Our own version, of course.....

And to think, I even got a geography lesson from this thread, who would've thunk it? Sorry to hijack, Milky but I thought your thread could use some comedic relief. Tempers were getting hot as Hades, up in here, up in here...