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Dexamyl, a bit harsh .They should be here with their families & receive the best medical care that is available. Amazing people who helped many.I know it's highly contagious but will be contained in the US better than anywhere else.Also Bieber is a pratt.

After just watching World War Z, I may be paranoid. But I feel that bringing them here is very dangerous. Every other country is trying to make sure that the disease doesn't enter their country, and we are willingly bringing it here. The patients were aware of their risks going over, they really shouldn't take the chance of bringing it here.

So you think we should just abandon the doctor who gave the only available serum to his colleague? The serum made from the blood of a child whose life he saved? There's a 90% mortality rate not 100. And we have the technology to prevent contaminated. Have a heart.

This could be an opportunity for the US to study the disease better and maybe find a cure for it. Whatever I bet you'd all feel very differently if it was your family member. Also the reason it spreads so much in Africa is because of the conditions they live in over there. It's a lot different here.

There is treatment, there is just no cure, Dex. People have survived ebola.

I think it is an awful idea to bring someone with ebola to a continent with no known cases of it.

Fancy, your organs stop functioning and you begin to bleed out. This can be from your nose, your vagina, anus, etc. It is a horrible virus. Even when one is dead, a person can catch it from fluids on the body.

Jack, the US has been studying it at the CDC. The doctors who got it were wearing protective gear the entire time. I do feel for the families and the victims. I know I would feel differently if this was a loved one. But, it's not. Sending aid to Africa for the two doctors is fine. It is unsettling knowing that they are coming here.

Serious question and honestly not trying to start drama today but how is this any different than aids? It's treatable but not curable and it's spread through fluids. Should we also get rid of everyone with aids? Or other diseases like it? Where does one draw the line?

Ebola has a 90 percent mortalory rate and can kill quickly. Those with HIV can live for decades with the illness, as long as they follow doctors orders. There are various stages of HIV, and it can take a very long time before one has full blown AIDs, if they don't die of something else before it even reaches that stage.

Ebola hits fast and hard, while HIV is more drawn out, and the quality of life is much better.

But it wasn't like that in the beginning. Ppl treated ppl with aids or HIV like y'all are talking about treating these Ebola patients. And I know the cdc has studied this disease before but having actual live people with the disease could help them find better treatment or a cure

Plus there is also the possibility of the current strain of ebola mutating and becoming airborne or becoming resistant to the antibiotics currently being administered to patients. Both scenarios are very real and possible scenarios that could happen at the drop of a hat.. Scientists are finding there is still much to learn about this disease.

Ebola is an interesting epidemic. They aren't how where it starts and how it's contracted but there seems to be a break out every 10-15 years. Inexplicably starts and ends. That's what's made it so frustrating. They've traced it somewhat to two different things..Bushmeat and primates eaten. Still can't explain it.

I highly recommend "The Hot Zone". A true account of the Ebola outbreak in the 80's. Fascinating stuff.

And yes they should use every precaution possible to get these people back. It can be done and they could end up being the start of a vaccine that could save lots of lives.

At work we were just looking at the stock of a Canadian pharmaceutical company which is developing an Ebola drug

"TKM-Ebola, an anti-Ebola virus RNAi therapeutic, is being developed under a $140 million contract with the U.S. Department of Defense's Medical Countermeasure Systems BioDefense Therapeutics (MCS-BDTX) Joint Product Management Office. Earlier preclinical studies were published in the medical journal The Lancet and demonstrated that when siRNA targeting the Ebola virus and delivered by Tekmira's LNP technology were used to treat previously infected non-human primates, the result was 100 percent protection from an otherwise lethal dose of Zaire Ebola virus (Geisbert et al., The Lancet, Vol 375, May 29, 2010). In March 2014, Tekmira was granted a Fast Track designation from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration for the development of TKM-Ebola."

I thought they were both already here. Yes, they are American citizens, we have medical facilities here that know what to do. Every person that comes into contact with them knows the risk. I'm more afraid of the random sick passenger coming into this country who isn't a medical professional.

Actually ebola should be the least of americas worries on the disease front. Stay out of the water kids. Theres been news reports and signs going up all around florida warning people to stay out of the water. 11 people this year so far have died from a flesh eating bacteria and I think 50 are sick suffering from it.but if its in the oceans that means its also in our seafood. Scary scary stuff...

The unknown possibility of the it mutating and morfing into an airborne version - is exactly why the treatment should be taken TO the infected, rather than play Russian Rulet (The Deer Hunter just for you Eros) and expose another nation.

Nope. I don't care that they were "making the world a better place". Charity begins at home and I'm sure they could've found some needy people in their own cities to help. They knew the risks, and they have no business coming here to potentially infect 300 million plus people. If that makes me evil, cruel and terrible, so be it. Better than dying in a terrible manner to satisfy some misguided sense of duty, or whatever motivates people like that.

They will be dead and cremated before the plain leaves, and their ashes can rest wherever they wanted in life. This illness doesn't take more than a week to kill in normal form. And if it's the non several form, there won't happen anything, as in Switzerland in 1994.

@ meme ...I havent researched it yet but evidently its been around for some years...im sure anything is possible at this point. Some woman in sc just died recent from it so I guess its not just restricted to florida.

@Eros - it's terribly news not only for those impacted but also for the local economy of the areas, especially in this economic climate. Having vacationed in Florida's gulf coast For many, many yrs, I know how much their communities rely on the tourism. Very sad - for them - and for folks like me who love visiting the gulf area (It's become a second home of sorts).

OK first of all, Ebola doesn't have a 90% mortality rate. SOME strains do, but some strains only kill roughly half of those who are infected. That's still pretty awful, but I'd rather get a disease I have a 50% chance of beating than a 90% chance of beating.

The other thing to remember here is that these patients are being transferred to a research hospital that is designed for extreme quarantine situations. The CDC has samples of Ebola, Smallpox, H1N1, Anthrax etc and does testing and experiments with them all the time, yet no one is worried about that? Ebola is not airborne - you need to come in close contact with an infected person's bodily fluids in order to get it - and yes, viruses can mutate, but again, I'd worry more about the samples the CDC has kicking around in their lab more than this.

@Jack Ducky: Yeah, the rest of the world hates America because they are all jealous.

They could have developed oil refining, computers, cars, radio TV, etc. They could have bailed Europe out of 2 world wars and put the Japs in there place. Who did, America.

Our dollar makes the world go round and our military makes it relatively safe. 1 American life is worth 1000 non American. Harry Truman may not have said that w/ his words, but he sure as shit showed the world what the exchange rate was w/ them 2 bombs.

In conclusion, if they bring them infected morons back, I hope they fly Malaysian Airlines.

@ Cara That isnt correct...I would cite sources if I wasnt on a phone. Saying the mortality rate is 90 pct is being generous. Part of the reason is that once the disease is contracted, it kills the host very quickly which is why the chances for the disease turning into a pandemic are very slim. This information is being cited from tom ceiden of the cdc as a resource.

@Jack Ducky: No, It is based in facts and reality. We bombed the living shit out of Iraq and Afghanistan because American lives are worth more than their citizens lives. "Fight em over their, so we don't have to fight em over here."

P.S. Name calling isn't going to help your hopeless argument. The fact that you had to resort to it shows how weak your point is.

You're such a fucking redneck piece of shit to make such idiotic statements. and meme& eros clearly aren't much better. This type of bullshit is EXACTLY why America is the laughingstock of the world. LoL. Fool. Fuck, I seriously can't believe you procreated. And for all you that wanna jump on ME for checking count, eat shit. I could seriously care the fuck less.

Thanks Count. If I'm to follow the logic of some here, the rest of the world hates us so we have to import one of the world's deadliest and most horrific diseases? And we have to sacrifice ourselves, and endanger the lives of 300+ million people, because to not do so makes you a compassionless monster? Where's the compassion for those 300+ million people, who do matter?

If you want a First World country, perhaps YOU need to work as hard as First World citizens, and their ancestors, worked to achieve it. Nobody would condone people being handed PhD's, so why are we expected to essentially hand them a functioning continent? We have been trying to do just that for how long now, and what good has it done? How many more trillions of dollars do we have to throw at Africa and other places, at our own detriment? This may be cruel, but when does compassion become national suicide? When do we say ENOUGH, and start helping people who might actually have a chance to make life in your country and community better?

Sure, I feel bad for these people and I wish them well. But you simply can't save everyone and charity does begin at home.

No it's not based in fact it's based in Americans thinking their lives are worth more. They're not. We're all humans. Just because you were lucky to be born in a rich country doesn't mean your live is more important.

They're American citizens. We should take care of our own. Emory is eminently qualified to take care of them (I used to work across the street at the pediatric hospital) and it's LITERALLY one block down from the CDC. Those above talking about the flesh-eating disease - they're right, I'm a lot more worried about that. And you want to worry about disease - worry about what's being brought across our southern border by the poor people of Mexico, Guatemala, etc. There are several forms of TB floating around in that group and I'm hearing rumoros about Hansen's disease (leprosy) among some people. The two Americans being brought to Emory are the LEAST I'm worried about.

Whose descendants are now american descendants. Ducks your point is moot. The point astra is trying to make I think is that all americans built this country- from various ethnic and racial backgrounds. This country is a product of all our united efforts.

Of course! America was single handedly built by slaves and immigrants, those dastardly Europeans just sat on their laurels and cackled evilly and cracked that whip! If that's the case, then why didn't the returned slaves that were repatriated to Liberia, turn Liberia into a thriving paradise with all their know-how and skills? If they built this country, why didn't they do it again there?

My life is more important TO ME than the lives of some people halfway around the world. Why should I care about Africa to the extent of endangering my life, and the lives of 300+ million fellow citizens? When we get a case of Hantavirus here, or Valley Fever, do we demand that Africa, Asia, or Europe take some of the victims?

I'm sorry, but self-preservation and good sense is not some horrible character flaw, despite what you think. If you have a death wish and think that America can atone for it's sins by endangering, or killing, millions, then that's your issue. Don't you dare tell others that we are morally bankrupt and terrible for not wanting to flagellate ourselves and literally die for someone else's sins. Last time I checked, my name isn't Jesus.

This should not be up to us to decide. They are Americans and it's their inalienable right to return to this country, where they will get the best care - unless they go to a VA hospital where they'll be told to wait for maybe a few months to a few years. Also, two Americans with ebola are no match to a family of Kardashians, who harbor a host of deadly pathogens still unknown to science.

Where did I say that? You are saying that Europeans brought nothing to this country other than misery. They contributed NOTHING else, that every non-European is responsible for all the good, and the Euros are responsible for all the bad. You apparently think that because of events from 200 years ago, that all Americans should be required to atone for sins that were committed before any of us were born. Do I have this right? That's your justification for allowing Ebola into this country, because Europeans who founded America are terrible, so two wrongs make a right and the only way you'll be satisfied is if they die horribly?

No my justification for allowing them into this country is they're American citizens who deserve to be treated by the best medicine possible because it is treatable just not curable and even if they die they deserve to die as painlessly as possible in their home country.

Jack, AIDS research was in its infancy when it began spreading throughout America. There has been plenty of research on ebola, and there is still a 90 percent mortality rate. There is no comparison. I do see what you are trying to say, but I just do not agree. I feel bringing the treatment to those infected would have been the best choice.

I am NOT a lesbian! Nothing wrong with it but I am not one! And I didn't start it, just pointed out how insane it is to think that simply because of your skin color, ancestry, and country's history, that you are somehow obligated to welcome a deadly disease into your country and put millions of people at risk. Many who are not white, may be recent immigrants from war-torn nations, etc. It's not like Ebola is going to only kill the Europeans who had bad ancestors, it doesn't discriminate. That's all I'm saying!

My first reaction was to panic thinking of the book "Hot Zone." But these are two brave selfless workers and we can't abandon them. They need and deserve to be brought home so they can at least receive the best care possible and have a chance. They'll be catefully quarantined.

But you're right FSN, this is another one of those fights that cannot be won. So I'll stop! Who knows, maybe she'll get her way and every evil American will die horribly. Then she can have a party, maybe dance on a few graves. Sounds like the morally superior thing to do.

Thank you Caraface for injecting some rationality into this discussion.

And in terms of mortality rates there is another possible factor to consider and that is that the Americans infected probably have better immune systems than the Africans who die of Ebola - I may be wrong but it's a possibility.

And to add to what Caraface outlined, Ebola virus is already sitting in multiple labs in North America because that's the only way to do research to cure it which is in all our best interests.

@Count, I'm not one to name call, but you're an idiot. Every life is of equal worth.Also a little spelling lesson, There - a placeTheir- belonging to someone or somethingThey're - they areYou're welcome(you are)

Of course I would think the military has some kind of plane especially set up to quarantine, since apparently they are funding research into a cure for Ebola. They probably have underground bunkers as well. I mean these Americans are not going to be flown back in commercial airliners.

If all the evil people died, the remaining population would be pretty small. Everyone, every culture has blood on their hands.

Ad to thst these people - the dr and the volunteer made the decision to put themselves in a disease infested hotzone. We all are given decisions in life and it sucks when it doesn't pan out the way one wants. How many potential lives are worth 2? 5, 50, 100.... those are the numbers you could potentially face by bringing disease ridden people here.

Add to that all the many ambiguities regarding how the disease was contracted. A number of doctors have died from this. People who took every precaution to avoid contracting the disease. Its not clear if they are telling us everything about how this disease is being contracted and also these researchers continue to learn new things every day about how this disease functions. Common sense would make a n every day person say perhaps bringing a virus her that kills instantly and makes some bleed from every orifice isnt a god day.

Hate to tell you, Ebola (and there are several strains) is already in the US. CDC, NIH, and others have been working with it for three decades. It and the Marburg virii. Hemorragic fevers are vile, but there is no reason that two US tax-paying citizens cannot come home.

Pity us if we don't know how to contain such things.

And we already do.

Hence - of the 30 outbreaks in the last 30 years, they have all been contained to a massively localized series of villages and areas within 8 countries, all sub-Saharan and within central Africa.

@jackDucky: if you think the entire country was founded on slaves, you have never opened a history book. Beaver, cod and timber were more important than plantations in building this country. And you contradict yourself by mentioning immigrants. Those are people who did have choices and they chose to be Americans, because it is the best place to be.

Yes Jack, American lives are worth more. 5 Arabs out of Guantanamo for 1 American soldier. Innovation of drone strikes to keep from risking American lives in planes. You can be in denial if you want, but Americans are top of the food chain. Holding yer breath and stompin yer foot aint changing that.

@susanb: f that. They put themselves in harms way, their on their own. I feel the same way about the moron who put his family on a boat with intentions to sail around the world and failed 2 weeks in out in the middle of the ocean. America is yer country, not yer nanny.

Don't feel like doing research, but I thought Ebola was too deadly to be a successful plague/outbreak/apocalypse? It doesn't hang around long enough and keep people alive long enough for it to jump through the population at a rate to be worried about? Again, I don't feel like doing research so don't flip a bitch switch if that is totally wrong.

They knew the risks going into it. If they were my loved ones I would want them here. If I were them I would understand that I made a choice to expose myself and consequences come with my actions. These two can't possibly be the first Americans in the history of ever to contract Ebola while overseas, why is their situation such a big deal now? Have we always just quietly let them die in Africa or quietly flown them into a CDC somewhere and none of us were any the wiser? Maybe Ebola is already ravaging the country and these two men are about to become scapegoats for the epidemic. It's easier for the people in charge to blame the two who knowingly exposed themselves and knowingly exposed the rest of us. Who knows, I'm off on a tangent now but it's just sketch to me that all of a sudden two Americans who contracted a deadly disease overseas are being made into this massive news story. Again, I'm not doing research so for all I know they could be the only Americans in 20 years to come down with any sort of somewhat threatening illness/disease while out of the country.

It's a dick move to tell them they can't come back, it's a dick move for them to knowingly and willingly expose themselves and then want to bring it back here (yeah yeah it's already in labs in CDC's all over the nation, assume the rest of the public doesn't realize that), I honestly think it's kind of a dick move to single these two out when who knows how many Americans contract and die from diseases while overseas and no one but their families care. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter what the fuck any of us think. There is an agenda here and we are all just along for the ride.

No, I don't see the point in risking millions of lives to bring 2 American aid workers back. They knew the risks when they went to Africa. I am sure they would not want their loved ones exposed to this terrible disease either. If they were my family members I would feel the same way, I wouldn't want the rest of my family potentially exposed.

Also, is it really fair to expect the hospital workers, morticians, and custodians to take the risk of being exposed to this? They are probably only bringing them back to experiment on them to find a vaccine or test something on them.

As for everyone hating America/Americans, if they hate us so much they can stop accepting our foreign aid and money. If you hate being American so much go try living in another country and see how much happier you are and how much better you won't be treated.

Yes. They are American citizens. If it's really out of control it will get here, or probably already is here. They deserve to be treated with respect and given the best treatment. If we can't contain them, we should all be much more worried about ds other than Ebola.

@fsn, I wasn't hostile nor did I call anyone names. You on the other hand have done both but whatever.

@count, I'm not going to argue with you anymore. Not because I can't because I could easily go on with this for days but mostly because I like you and also because we're both dead set in our beliefs and we'd just go back and fourth for however long and there's no point because what's gonna happen is gonna happen.

I would just like to end by saying if we treated everyone who's ever had a disease the way y'all are suggesting we treat these people then we wouldn't have a cure for anything and we'd all have died long ago.

And as for the person who said if I hate America then I should move believe me as soon as I can save enough money I plan to.

Anyway I hope most of you have a great weekend. Some of you I don't really care if you have a great weekend or not.

Selena Gomez appears to be in full advertising mode, showing off some buttcheek bottoms, in short shorts, and a nice thigh bruise. SFW

To put it in pro wrestling terms, she is doing a slow turn, dropping hints here and there, building up anticipation for the day she goes Full Whore in public. By the time it happens we'll all be on the edge of our seats and she'll get a nice sized chunk of change for a "leaked" sex tape or full frontal in a movie.

I hope she grows a big full bush for either. If I'm gonna have 1 shot at seeing her naked, I wanna see if the bush is as thick and luxurious as the hair on her head.

"New world countries" (i.e. USA, Canada, Australia/New Zealand) were all discovered, settled and developed by immigrants. All have histories where the discoverers conquered/abused/killed the native peoples of those lands. And though since those days, many generations have been born in these newly founded countries, no ones genealogy is "American" or "Canadian" or "Australian". Everyone's roots came from somewhere else.

It's unfortunate that after thousands of years, humans haven't evolved all that much from their base construct of reacting to their fight-or-flight / conquer or be conquered instinct.

For all of our spurts of advancement and incredible genius, it seems we always retreat back to that "base" ego-self, rather than move forward - away from the "I" and towards the "we". Imagine what we could accomplish if the "we" took priority on this planet?

(we keep taking the red pill. Well, I'd like to take the blue pill now please!) <-- that one's for you @Eros - The Matrix

I've read "The Hot Zone." Absolutely terrifying. Ebola t will melt your organs, give you high temperature, make you bloated, separate skin from muscles, make your testicles change color and peel, give you red eyes and you will literally bleed out through every orifice & pore. Everyone (and I mean EVERYONE) who reads it...they all give similar reviews: Spine-chillingly horrific.

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