Montgomery Co. has plenty of democrats, but the area itself is somewhat conservative, not huge activists. Older, settled people. I used to canvass there. KOP, Pottstown, Norristown, Lafayette Hill, Upper Dublin...I see these as being more Clinton than Obama.

what I find weird about Montgomery County, is that it does have Democrats with money, but I don't think they are the typical "creative class" monied Democrats on the whole. More of the professional type. That's why I think Clinton might do better in Montgomery County. But maybe I'm wrong.

But anyway, the scientific term is Intersex. And accepted definitions suggest 1% are intersex at birth, with .1-.2% attracting medical attention (altering/correction into a normative male/female category).

Gender wise, undecideds prefer to be called gender queer or genderless as "undecided" implies a dichotomy they most don't believe in.

having done questionnaires in the queer community...these things come up as part of the survey process. Though I forget what we've gone with (depends on if you want to identify trans folk, intersex, etc)

terminology soup. and mine may not be accurate. im too lazy to keep up on PC terms.

they got really p oed about the whole Wright issue exposing the way "black churches" are. Maybe some of that "hope and change" was lost when they saw how the Wright thing exploded, or how Obama p oed the white voters with the whole clinging to guns and religion thing.

Or maybe they didn't see any point int turning out for a losing cause (in the state).

but I talked to a volunteer who was covering Chinatown in Philadelphia and he said the turnout for Clinton in Chinatown was big and people were very enthusiastic about supporting her. That being said, I don't think the population is big enough to really make a dent.

Turkana, there was quite a bit of traffic on the photo in native garb, from your link and jawbone's. Many thanks for all the eyes that got to see it wouldn't have been 'leaked' by Clinton, as Obama again told his audiences in Mississippi on March 10, in order to rile them up against her (while media calls him St. Francis or "too decent to go negative." )

(He did this after the debate in which he said he took her at her word and they were going put it in the past and go forward.)

He also complained to the same crowds that she didn't defend him on 60 minutes and quoted that one clause that came after a question asked 3 times and which she followed by saying how she just did not like seeing anyone smeared by rumors because she knew what that was like. It helped him with his crowds though to leave out her defenses, and that was all that mattered. More unsettling is that this encouraged his crowds to hate her for what she was doing to him. Mr. Unity struck again.

Actually, CNN showed that gun owners and people who attend church regularly exit polled at 58/59% respectively in favor of Hillary...but sorry to say, they apparently didn't exit poll either bowlers or arugula lovers.

per an AP exit bowl. I hope the bowlers are not the same people. It could really destroy the ambience of the bowling alleys, if they start totin' guns along with their shoes, and if someone blows a natural strike. :-)

... they actually said that perhaps Obama should choose another WOMAN for running mate and would that satisfy the white (hmmmm, I'm not white) women who so strongly support her.

What an incredibly dense thought -- that the support is because or only because she's a woman, and that any other woman might be able to do the trick and get Clinton's base of supporters! It was stunning to me that they are quite this thick.

It doesn't occur to them that her support comes because she is so extremely smart, fluent about the issues because she CARES about the problems that much and has a zillion ideas on how to fix them and is ready to go.

Her experience as a senator has shown someone who can turn her enemies around and work with them on joint projects. Something Obama only says he would be able to do.

Night of New Hampshire I was hoping Edwards and Obama would knock Clinton out of the race as I never wanted to hear the dramas of the Clintons again, but when I heard her speak about many issues, that turned me around completely - and it was helped by Obama NOT talking about the issues but making the same slick stump speech for all these months.

He stumbles and halts when asked about issues because, really, he has not thought much about them. He can talk well if it's on something he cares about, but they're not issues, only on wanting to make change -- or to promise a list of about 21 costly things for all of us while saying he would never pander as other politicans do ( ! )

and have to be adjusted when that hard data starts to come in . . . and exit polls will keep being adjusted as more data comes in . . . and that's why we went nuts, not knowing this, in 2000 when the exit polls were adjusted after the fact.

Well that's an interesting thought from Russert -- I wonder if this means he thinks that if Obama were white that Hillary would be the nominee already. That he could say that after the Ferraro contretemps is just astonishing. Complete and total lack of self-awareness.

In Maryland, being a Republican during the primaries is no fun so my Republican husband (he really does have other redeeming traits) is registered as a Democrat. He happily voted for Hillary in the primary. He honestly believes that she is better. Now, in the general he will vote for McCain, but Hillary will not need his vote then. So it may be better to have a Republican husband than a Democratic husband that likes Obama.

catch Donna Brazile on CNN awhile ago saying that she was still undecided? She sees no reason to get off the sidelines and make a choice at this point. She says that she's pretty sure in her heart of hearts, but is still conflicted.

If this is what she's like when she's conflicted, imagine what she'll be like when she chooses a side.

in PA there are lots of community colleges as well as private colleges and of course the state universities. If someone is asked if they are college educated and they have ever taken a single course in anything at any college or university, they can legitimately say yes, they are college educated. And after the "bitter and clinging" remarks, I am pretty sure than anyone in PA who has any claim on any sort of higher education is saying YES!! to that question. College-educated doesn't mean a degree to many people. It means some education at a college. And yes, lots of Pennsylvanians have that.

Obama has to do to win over white women over 50. They think another female VP selection (not Hillary) might do it. Does anyone else find that really insulting? How much of it is about her being a woman? For me, you can't slot in Kathleen Sibelius and expect me to get excited.

drank beer, and my mom and my aunts drank whiskey. As a kid I thought I would grow up to be a whiskey drinker 'cause I'm a girl. And so I did. Although a nice Oregon pinot is almost always appropriate.

Given the CNN exit poll numbers on white voters (55-45 for Clinton) and Older voters, we can conclude that Clinton is not going to get a double-digit blowout victory. CNN has just announced that it is not projecting a winner based on the exit polls.

The thing that bothers a lot of us older black people about this campaign is that there seems to be this attitude among a lot of blacks but especially younger black people that any black man is better than any white man/person.
That may or may not be true, but the problem is that to choose a candidate using only that criteria is to give that black man the power to screw you with no grease, if he so chooses.

I'm no fan of Tavis Smiley, but no one should face threats and insults because of their stated preference for president.

Black people fought for and won the right to vote for their choice like any other American, not to vote for the guy everybody else is voting for.
To lose sight of that is to diminish the legacy of those who stuggled and suffered so long and hard to bring us to the point where our votes matter.

i've been in PA for 4 weekends in a row and i want to say that there is no possible way that the african american vote was 92-8... there is absolutely a reverse Bradley effect here. African americans who support Hillary are telling people that they support Obama (and that includes exit pollers)... i guarantee this!

they like him better and that he would be breaking an amazing barrier for AA's in this country. I understand how they feel. I'd vote Hillary anyway, because I like her positions, like her record, and trust her on the issues that matter most to me and my family, but breaking that glass ceiling would be amazing for women in the US and around the world. Maybe race or gender just tips the balance.

Am I being naive, delirious, or that single sip I took of my themed beer for tonight (Rolling Rock) hit me hard... I am under the impression Lou Dobs outed Gloria Borger as a Hillary supporter about 20 minutes ago. He also joked about Rolland Marting being a Obama supporter (no surprise, after his passionate defense during the Wright gate).

We still will never hear the end of "Hillary only wins because of Limbaugh crossovers!" arguments.

As TL regulars know, when Republicans vote for Obama it's because they genuinely believe he's the right candidate for America, but when Republicans vote for Clinton it's because they want to screw with the election. No other conclusion is worth considering.

Does anyone know why eschaton/atrios came out for Obama. He said it could have been different at the outset of their campaigning. Or, perhaps he is another who was just pretending to give Clinton a chance.????

The stoopid Drudge, et al., data of a 52% Clinton, 48% Obama breakdown simply is based on interviews received just before the polls closed -- who they asked, not how many of each turned out.

And why exit poll data keeps changing until, voila!, it's remarkably accurate at the end: "It's worth remembering that this initial update is almost always based on what exit pollsters call the 'composite' estimate (an average of the exit poll tallies and pre-election polls. Subsequent updates will add in more exit poll interviews being phoned in now, constantly improving estimates of the turnout by the exit poll 'geostrata' and, gradually actual vote for the sampled precincts. Also very important to keep in mind: The as-the-polls-close estimate for Ohio also had Clinton leading by four points."

Ohio was a little bit different because the results from cities did not come in until the end since Obama's campaign got the polling places there kept open...in contrast, we are expecting numbers first from Philadelphia...

that Clinton may have won -- no longer "too close to call" but now "too early to call." Switching channels. . . . Oh, wait, Buchanan is up -- he's so wrong on so much but very savvy on nights like tonight.

"Catholics could make up more than one-third of the vote in the Keystone State on April 22, and Mrs. Clinton's victories in Ohio, Texas, and Rhode Island on Tuesday made clear that despite a stepped-up effort in recent weeks, Mr. Obama has failed to narrow her edge with that demographic."

Jake Tapper asks a very provocative question, especially since it comes well before Pennsylvania is settled:

... .. But what's so crazy about the idea that the Democratic frontrunner -- flush with cash and outspending Clinton 3-to-1, running against a candidate with such high unfavorable ratings -- should be able to win a blue state primary?

But what's so crazy about the idea that the Democratic frontrunner -- flush with cash and outspending Clinton 3-to-1, running against a candidate with such high unfavorable ratings -- should be able to win a blue state primary?

Look, the SD's have heard both and seen the results of money, campaigning, debates and qualifications. She's been out there taking on all the bad guys. He's been less forthcoming.

Obama has overcome Clinton leads in all these other states, but somehow in Pennsylvania it's just so goshdarned impossible. Because apparently you never lose the state where your father was born, or something.

this, but Fox stated earlier that exit polls in past primaries have tended to favor Obama.

I think some proportion of Hillary supporters are hesitant to admit they've voted for Hillary. I can imagine a woman being hesitant if a pro-Obama husband/boyfriend is standing there listening. It could also be that the Obama 'vibe' is very strong around the polling station. Or because Hillary has been 'tarred' so badly by the media that it's kind of embarassing to admit that you are for her. Or ... ????

There's always the "Bradley Effect" (not wanting to admit you didn't vote for an African-American) but I have trouble seeing that in this case where his opponent was projected to win.

Wayne is on their board too and that is my county. And that is rural and country and small town. I am amazed that the numbers are getting there so fast. We changed to paper this time. Maybe that makes it faster.