why,why I mean really why allys...

...lose almost every bg except sometimes they win in av and IoC. My score in av and IoC is 31-16 an in all others bg I have a score of 2 -31 combined. Is any good reason for that or just allys ppls are bad in pvp ???

cheers

P.S. Atleast I will have enough time to gear my alt in next 6 months before wod come xD

though last night i was doing battlegrounds on horde, and i lost 6 in a row, and i just need about 800 honor for my weapon.

and everyone says horde always win sota, but i have never won a single game on my monk, about 15 sota played, 0wins. blacklisted that shit, would rather lose an AV.

Originally Posted by endus

A thread about how hard it is being a white dude is not really a reasonable topic.

Originally Posted by Gabriel

You are assuming Cybran actually reads the articles he links.
I suspect he is actually some Soviet algorithm gone rogue, transmitting from some forgotten bunker, responding to keywords by googling them and adding "+bad" to the search query, and then just copy/pasting anything it comes across.

It is quite weird, back in wrath when i started i had like a 50% ratio, but ever since cata the horde has dominated every bg, besides AV and IOC

I'd assume that the better Alliance PVP'ers tend to avoid random battlegrounds like the plague. Once you are done with the honor set there's no point in ever doing a random.

Don't blame the casuals for making Warcraft worse. It's the unskilled masses who refuse to improve themselves and Blizzard who has decided to bribe these folks with an endless shower of purples that should draw the ire of both casual and hardcore alike. It was never about "seeing the content" for these people it's always been about the gear and their sense of entitlement.

Been running bgs to gear up my alt on ally with a few geared friends the past week. I am 16-3 and I blacklist AV and IoC. I dunno if its my bg or what but im ally and all my toons have a positive win-loss and I have blacklisted IoC and AV since it was available. I think the trick is not queing by yourself; I always go in with a few friends.

Originally Posted by Gandrake

I like how when people complain about getting killed by kill shot which can have a 43 yard range, no resource cost, and can be used again if it doesn't kill and everyone says WELL, HEY, YOU KNOW, IT IS CALLED KILL SHOT
but when a warrior does it, clearly the ability's name is "useless wet noodle piece of shit strike with an exorbitant rage cost that should do the same damage as MS"

I'd assume that the better Alliance PVP'ers tend to avoid random battlegrounds like the plague. Once you are done with the honor set there's no point in ever doing a random.

Exactly. Honestly Blizzard made a mistake allowing people to faction and server change. Its created this huge imbalance. With racials so important in to days min/maxing game it was only a matter of time before the stronger side took over. Or that all the good players wanted to play with each other so they all eventually migrated to one faction.

Originally Posted by Egzis

I swear, if vanilla was released right now with updated graphics, it would be the laughing stock of the decade.

Originally Posted by Puupi

This whole thread explains in a pretty nice manner how can Beliebers exist.

Many people changed to Horde when it became available, mostly because of the fact it was said that " Horde wins more in bgs ", and then increased the imbalance. I said someone who changed to Horde " If we all do like you, who will you fight then ? ".

As someone said, group with some friends, since I mostly do " Oqueue " bgs, I nearly never loose (even if we're just 5, the simple fact we coordinate weighs much), and that in ANY bg.

...lose almost every bg except sometimes they win in av and IoC. My score in av and IoC is 31-16 an in all others bg I have a score of 2 -31 combined. Is any good reason for that or just allys ppls are bad in pvp ???

cheers

P.S. Atleast I will have enough time to gear my alt in next 6 months before wod come xD

This thread is so full of it. You claim allies almost never win. SHow me, don't just make a statement like that with out any proof.

Getting so tired of this wining.... every time people complain about alliance sucking at PvP, they still seem to think it's everybody elses fault but they're own, wtf is up with that?

This is an attitude problem and completely psychological. As long as you only complain about "all those other noobs" and don't realise that if you're not trying to set up teamwork, YOU are doing it wrong too.

OK, if you're still reading and not ragequit because I criticised you, here's my experience:

I don't like PvP. Not because any of the above or whatever, I'm just a PvE person. BUT: I've done the Black Prince quest line for the legendary cloak on 3 different chars, which forced me to do the BG quest.

At first I dreaded the experience, I'm playing alliance too, and contrary to most people I did realise I suck at PvP. My plan was to just hang in BGs and keep a low profile, basically waiting for a win. That didn't work, I did my best but you need that teamwork and spirit to win a BG. Noone talked, except for the all-round flaming after we lost.... I couldn't stand it.

From that point on I made an effort to push my group: I was kind of a cheerleader in chat, bringing in positive energy, and I explained I wasn't a PvPer and only here for the quest, asking for a plan and some pointers. When we we're winning I urged my team to not fall asleep and keep pushing, keep the communication alive, I reminded them that that type of BG is never lost, but als never won, things can change 100% in a minute.

The effect was remarkable: people reacted very positively, really "woke up" from the alliance-always-loses mentality, made plans, tactics and communicated in a constructive matter. We started winning, and from that point on I won almost immediately, and often (way over 50%). I had a great time even though I don't really like PvP, but I love playing together with people.

Now I think of it: I've had similar experiences in the past; about every expansion there were PvE fights that we used the PvP trinket on, and I got my points bringing together teams of randoms like this.

If you want to flame me, spare yourself the effort, I've heard it all; I act 'high and mighty', am 'holier than thou' and I 'think I know everything'. Yawn.
I've played the game for years (in a short pause now), had fun in everything I did, and got the job done. The choice is yours: you can take the easy road and keep thinking everybody but you in an hopeless n00b, or put your shoulders under it, and realise this game is a lot more fun if you put in the effort and keep improving yourself.

...lose almost every bg except sometimes they win in av and IoC. My score in av and IoC is 31-16 an in all others bg I have a score of 2 -31 combined. Is any good reason for that or just allys ppls are bad in pvp ???

cheers

P.S. Atleast I will have enough time to gear my alt in next 6 months before wod come xD

33 BGs aren't enough of a statistic to show that alliance players win more often.

I've done far over a thousand BGs and it feels like a 50-50 for me apart from AB and during late/early hours. Alliance has a LOOOOOOOT more bots during the night/early morning, but during peak hours I seem to lose a lot more than I do at night. I think alliance botting might throw off statistics and if BGs with 10% or more bots would not count into the statistics, it might look different.

I remember before the BG merge though, playing on Cyclone. I had a 70-90% win as horde, we even had more than 50% win in AV thanks to Stormscale having so many high rated PvPers.

2/31 is not a reasonable sample size to get any reliable statistical data from it.

For a Minimum reliability of statistical data you Need at least 1000 sample data. Your´s is anecdotal evidence.

2 wins out of 31 games is quite sufficient to reject the hypothesis that those BGs are balanced (in the sense of both sides having a 50% win rate.)

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Originally Posted by Koala

ah every single time ive played i never saw one ally jump the fence.. this change wont help horde at all

Heh. On my horde nooblock last night, we defended FW Keep, and eventually it came down to a resource grind. The entrance to FW Keep (which now cannot be bypassed) was a killing field for the alliance trying to get in. 158 HKs and a win, so sweet.

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