citrusbug

Here's the color corrected version (the pantone version it will print as. Why Ramy won't use the real colors is beyond me). I'm neutral on these things, but I feel like people should know what they're REALLY voting on. If you still like it, by all means vote.

ramyb

citrusbug wrote:Here's the color corrected version (the pantone version it will print as. Why Ramy won't use the real colors is beyond me). I'm neutral on these things, but I feel like people should know what they're REALLY voting on. If you still like it, by all means vote.]

The tricky thing with pantones is that the way they appear on each individual screen is radically different- you can't say that this is how it will look, because how it looks to you is completely different from how it looks on another screen. I look at my entries on three different screens, and the colors are radically different- I'm not sure why this entry is being picked on in particular when at least half the fog is not pantone selected- Ultimately, woot adjusts the colors based on what will best print- sometimes they do a white underlayer, other times they don't. That has a huge impact on how the colors print. Another factor is the shirt color itself, which reflects differently on the colors. Since I have no experience in the print industry, I choose colors the way I want the shirts to turn out. Until now, I haven't been disappointed with woot's printing. Are the colors always exactly what they look like on my screen? No, but ultimately they work and are closer to what I want than the pantone selections photoshop gives me can get. The colors I chose here, on my screen, are as close as I can get to what I've seen woot print before. The adjusted colors you did here are just a guess as to which pantone woot will select, and even if it is the correct choice, likely looks much different from how it is on the shirt.

hachartz

Earlysong

citrusbug wrote:Here's the color corrected version (the pantone version it will print as. Why Ramy won't use the real colors is beyond me). I'm neutral on these things, but I feel like people should know what they're REALLY voting on. If you still like it, by all means vote.

JenXer74

dooomcat wrote:Is anyone else having problems uploading designs???
I had this already to go at the start of the derby yesterday and I kept getting a page is busy error. I think I tried 20 times to upload this since then and got the same response every time until I just did it again but didn't submit the print ready file (which is well under 4 mb) and it finally went through.
I've never had this problem before and now I've lost over a day of potential votes

I had the same problem. Print-ready file was way under the file size limit, but the submission just would. not. load. until I removed the print-ready and submitted without it.

DJTweekNYC

ramyb wrote:The tricky thing with pantones is that the way they appear on each individual screen is radically different- you can't say that this is how it will look, because how it looks to you is completely different from how it looks on another screen. I look at my entries on three different screens, and the colors are radically different- I'm not sure why this entry is being picked on in particular when at least half the fog is not pantone selected- Ultimately, woot adjusts the colors based on what will best print- sometimes they do a white underlayer, other times they don't. That has a huge impact on how the colors print. Another factor is the shirt color itself, which reflects differently on the colors. Since I have no experience in the print industry, I choose colors the way I want the shirts to turn out. Until now, I haven't been disappointed with woot's printing. Are the colors always exactly what they look like on my screen? No, but ultimately they work and are closer to what I want than the pantone selections photoshop gives me can get. The colors I chose here, on my screen, are as close as I can get to what I've seen woot print before. The adjusted colors you did here are just a guess as to which pantone woot will select, and even if it is the correct choice, likely looks much different from how it is on the shirt.

I need to chime in on this as a printer. Before I do, I want to be clear and separate myself, I am not attacking in any way. I just have a pet peeve for incorrect information. Truth be told I like a lot of Ramy's art and try to stay out of the controversies because It's just bad business.

Yes, a Pantone color will look different on every single computer screen and print differently on every single DIGITAL printer. But, the reason we work in a Pantone pallet is because when ink is used, it will print the same every single time. There are 2 reasons I can think of Woot wants us to use the Pantone Solid Coated Pallet. Reason #1, it is the closest digital representation of a Pantone color. Reason #2, when performing color separations for print, you can't perform them easily with spot colors. When I design a letterhead, logo, business card or anything else that is to be printed offset (with ink on a press) I use Pantone colors, except when I'm doing a 4 color process job (CMYK.) It's simply the industry standard. It makes life easier for the printer and in the end, you know what you're going to get every single time. When you attempt to perform color separations on a spot color job, the computer assumes you want to separate it into CMYK.

Now in the case of this shirt, that green simply isn't achievable using the Pantone color pallet. The best thing I could think of doing to achieve it is putting white behind it and doing a screen of a specific Pantone green. But even that wouldn't be exact, and I wouldn't expect Woot to go to the trouble to do it. I expect they would simply put an eyedropper to the green he is using and print using the closest Pantone match, which is the new green you see in that sample in the comments. As I said earlier, it won't print looking exactly like that green, but it's certainly closer and more accurate that the green currently represented in the design comp.

Now, is this really such a big deal? In my personal opinion, I don't think so. Woot may have a different opinion on the matter, but they've been printing from Ramy's art for quite a long time and I'm sure they have their own little system of setting up his art files for print. So it's probably just a moot point. I just wanted to correct Ramy on his explanation of Pantone colors, because in reality it is a universal color pallet that illustrates a representation of how a color will print EVERY SINGLE TIME in ink. The best way to see an accurate Pantone color representation is with a Pantone color flip chart, which is quite pricey. In fact, I keep my flip chart at my desk at work hidden away from light to keep the colors on it from getting degraded. It's simply that important.

I wish Ramy lot's of luck and success. Like I said, I like some of his designs. This one's not my cup of tea but it's a to each his own situation. If anything I hope my comment here was educational and not controversial.

DJTweekNYC

Also, I forgot to mention, with regard to color separations, if Ramy prepares his art files like most of the artists here, his files are probably already color separated. I know in my case, I keep all the pantone colors on their own separate layers and delete everything beneath each individual color so I have no overlapping colors or halftones. If Woot wants to layer a white vignette beneath my art, that's up to them as the screen printing professionals. So the color separation point may be moot also. But the recolored green is the closest digital representation to how the Pantone color will print if your monitor is calibrated reasonably.

chumpmagic

ramyb wrote:The tricky thing with pantones is that the way they appear on each individual screen is radically different- you can't say that this is how it will look, because how it looks to you is completely different from how it looks on another screen I look at my entries on three different screens, and the colors are radically different

Well if both images (yours and the one with the correct color) were the pantone green, then both images would look the same be cause they are being viewed on the SAME SCREEN. Screen or monitor will not magically atler information for that color swatch, silly. That is a poor excuse and an awkward argument, especially since you admit that you don't use pantone colors below.

ramyb wrote: I'm not sure why this entry is being picked on in particular when at least half the fog is not pantone selected-

Yes, at least half the fog are your designs and they probably aren't pantone colors either

It is because you use bright green (and other bright colors a lot) all the time when its is the incorrect color. It is misleading, and dishonorable if intentional. What people see is what people should get. Basically, its time to draw the line, but all I can really do is ask you nicely (which I did above). Patrick and Walzman are a similar story as you and they can do it...

Also, the newer artist might not know better, so we cut them slack.

ramyb wrote: Ultimately, woot adjusts the colors based on what will best print

I had made this mistake with my first print, and woot messed it up big time. It was partly my fault but I was new and didn't know any better and woot went back and corrected it which was really awesome. But even if you do trust woot, you should care about your artwork, ensuring it looks the way you want to in its final state, and NOT HAVE THEM DO YOUR WORK FOR YOU! That is just lazy, and doesn't benefit anyone (except yourself if you don't care about your art)...

ramyb wrote: sometimes they do a white underlayer, other times they don't. That has a huge impact on how the colors print. Another factor is the shirt color itself, which reflects differently on the colors. Since I have no experience in the print industry, I choose colors the way I want the shirts to turn out. Until now, I haven't been disappointed with woot's printing. Are the colors always exactly what they look like on my screen? No, but ultimately they work and are closer to what I want than the pantone selections photoshop gives me can get. The colors I chose here, on my screen, are as close as I can get to what I've seen woot print before. The adjusted colors you did here are just a guess as to which pantone woot will select, and even if it is the correct choice, likely looks much different from how it is on the shirt.

Blah blah blah. I ask you nicely to use pantone swatches. You can keep making up pointless excuses and continues on a misleading path or you could acknowledge us and convert your design to pantone, before you send it to woot, like a good, respectable, hard working artist would

Again, on the off chance you don't know how to convert your colors, then speak up and I will gladly help you out.

If you put the colors side by side, you would notice the difference. The pantone green is not as good in my opinion. It is less vibrant and a little more dull. The design still works and most people won't care, so why not show people what they would actually get, right?

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