I salute you LocalJoe, and it's about more than your belongings, anon. It's the fact that most places you get sued if you shoot someone when they're breaking in and threatening your family. I have seen a case where a known sex offender broke into a single mother's place, she shot his leg IN HER DAUGHTER'S ROOM and still ended up getting sued by the guy and the state. In good ol' Texas, you can shoot someone if it means protecting your family and you don't have to worry about paying the other person for the right to do so.

I prefer killing the ****** instead of letting him live that way my taxes don't pay for his living costs. If some idiot is robbing he's scum anyways, prolly would have breeded some little welfare recipients for himself. You should thank me for not letting these welfare leeches live.

The fact you're taking anything away is pissing me off. Hey lets start banning assault speech. With all these kids suiciding we must protect the children! Think of the children!( yeah I can play that emtional card too)

You can't use words longer than 6 letters, no one NEEDs words that powerful.
You can speak, type, etc etc more than 60 words a minute, no one NEEDs to articulate that fast. You can't speak more than 20 words at a time, no one NEEDs assault speach.

Stop being all redneck and take the time to actually read what the government is proposing. No one is trying to take away your guns. They're coming up with a stronger regulation to guarantee that guns are being used in a safe manner.

LEGAL gun owners already use firearms in a safe manner. How about you look at the majority and quit focusing on rednecks who do stupid ****. Most murders with guns are committed by Trayvon shooting at Tyrone with his gat over a red bandanna.

God you're retarded. That's like saying imma watch dredd and after that kill every living ******* junkie i see cause i'm the law. If people watch to imitate then the world shoulda ended a long time ago when movies such as rambo came out. Stop being a pussy and blaming movies or and other kinds of media for your inability to separate fiction from reality

TL;DR Quit blaming the media for your inability to separate fiction from reality

The liberals are seizing our liberty. The liberty our forefathers has fought will be gone.

If we banned guns, bad people still can manage to get it from black market. We, a good people, left nothing but melee weapon against the explosive one. Our life is threatened.
(Source : theweek. com/article/index/237900/what-gun-control-can-and-cant-do/ )

Sandy hook tragedy also a hoax. It is not caused by a mentally ill person, but rather a trained, probably soldier. It is said that Israel was responsible to this tragedy to teach american a lesson regarding the Middle East issue in United Nations assembly.
(Source : presstv. ir/detail/2012/12/18/278706/israeli-squads-tied-to-newtown-carnage/ )

But that is the point of having the gun in the first place, if the government is oppressive they can rebel against them and take back the country. So how are we suppose to fight them if we have 10 or less bullets per magazine?

Want to know my reason for owning one? I want it. I have a right. Bill of Rights man, not the Bill of Needs. You don't NEED a smart phone, you don't NEED new clothes every season, you don't NEED a laptop, you don't NEED a car that goes past 60 MPH.

Well if murder is such a problem, why don't we make it illegal? *heavy sarcasm* Look, this law really int going to do anything except to reduce the number of legally owned guns and increase the number of guns owned illegally. The people who own illegal weapons don't give two hits about the law because more than likely, they are using that gun to break the law.

Essentially, the point of having stricter gun laws is to make it harder for people who want guns for the wrong reasons to get them.

The alternative is to make it easy for them. Of course, that means people who want guns to defend themselves will be able to attain them. But at the end of the day, giving everyone guns and saying 'Welp, its fair game now!' is ******* barbaric. that's not the kind of world we should be working towards.

Also, I don't see how anyone believes guns can be defensive. If a criminal wants to shoot me and I have a gun, that's not going to do a lot when he shoots me first because he cares less about the consequences.

Most places have stand your ground or castle laws that allow you to kill a perpetrator with no consequence and you should never point a gun at someone unless you intend to shoot. Threatening a criminal with a gun pretty much tells them you won't shoot. Not saying it's the best way to go about things, but if someone breaks into my house, there are going to be a few .40 caliber rounds headed their way.

Arms within the second amendment refers to the weapons that the government uses for it's military so if the government manages to turn it's military on it's people then the people have a chance to fight back.

In all seriousness, though, I think there should be some restriction on firearm sales. Better background checks, better psyche checks, and not making it so easy to buy a **** ton of weapons and ammo on the internet without anyone batting a eye, like James Eagan Holmes.

The problem with the far right is that they think everyone should own a gun.
The problem with the far left is that they think that no one should have a gun (yet, contrary to what many think, the President is not that far to the left).

Is it really so hard to find a common middle-ground? I swear, "compromise" was taken out of the political dictionary sometime within the past 20 years. The political divide in the US is sickening.

I don't think any gun should be banned but do things like mandatory mental health checks, Limits on how many guns you can purchase within a certain period, Face-to-face purchases required on ammo, requiring licenses for automatic weapons, better documented sales and require transfers to be documented as well, etc.

Personally, I think there should be some restriction, simply because there are just some weapons that citizen's don't need to own. I'm not saying anything should be banned, but a common citizen shouldn't need a firearm that can spray bullets and kill multiple people within a few seconds. When our founding fathers wrote the second amendment, the only guns that existed at the time were ones where each shot needed to to be loaded before firing, and the reload process was extremely slow. I can't think of any reason why someone would need an AK-47 or the like outside of war.

If people really wanted to overthrow a "tyrannical government," I doubt politicians would put up enough of a fight for automatic weapons to be necessary.

being somebody who owns no automatic or semi automatic weapons(colt army 1867 revolver and replica colt 1867 navy revolver and colt 1880 and a 1894 remmington double barrel I am in favor of the assault weapon ban, I personally see no need to own guns that can go semi auto or full auto, logical rational responses only please

It's not the fact that nobody needs a semi-automatic weapon. I would agree with you on that fact. That is not enough to ban something however. By following that logic, all cars should be banned that go faster than the speed limit. Not only are they not needed, but they actually allow people to make a poor decision to drive excessively fast, endangering others. Many more people die from stupid motorists than stupid gun owners, yet i do not hear outcry to ban all Vipers.

While were at it, I dont see the NEED for someone to have a multimillion dollar car that goes 200 mph. But ya know what, people have them because they CAN and they WANT to. Are we trying to ban cars? No of course not. Peoples logic nowadays is so ****** up just because one dumbass shot up a school with an assault rifle. Do you remember virginia tech? No assualt weapons were used there, but did anyone try to ban handguns? **** nooooo. ******* people....

A car is used to get from Point A to Point B. A gun is used to kill stuff.
A car becomes a threat only and ONLY when misused (stupid driving, loss of control, etc). How the **** do you misuse a gun (inb4 "you can point it at yourself by mistake", that's not a misuse, that's a contribution to society)?!?

not to sound like i agree with either side, but guns aren't just used to kill stuff. In fact, I rather enjoy target shooting with my dad. It's just something we do together to spend time together. However, I do enjoy hunting as well. Also, we don't own any assault rifles.

Well, you can use cars for malicious purposes just like you can use a gun for malicious purposes. Yes, a gun is designed to kill. It's HOW you use that potential that determines how dangerous it is. A gun in my hands is about as dangerous as a Nerf gun, where the same gun in the hands of Grimdeath McHatredslayer is probably the single most dangerous thing on the face of the planet. Same thing with a car. I personally use a car to go from point A to point B, where Mr. "I do donuts over screaming children because I can't get an erection otherwise" is going to misuse his car's potential.

I see your point and you made a very rational argument, honestly one of the most rational I have ever heard, because in essence you are right for most people it is more of a want than a need, I know a few people however who say they need them.
yes I know it is copied from what I typed to the other user who made kind of your same argument but longer but hey I am lazy

I am sick of people like you. Saying you "dont see the need" for people like me to own my AR-15. I dont see the NEED for some fat bitch to eat 5 cheeseburgers in one sitting, but you know what, I dont say **** because that is what she WANTS to do. Yeah nobody really NEEDS a gun like that (unless military) but we have them because we WANT to and CAN. It is our ******* right, and they are fun to shoot. Just the other day me and my buddy went through about 1000 tracer rounds, popping them off like crazy, lighting up the night sky. And you know what, it was ******* awesome. Now how fun would that be with just a single shot....not fun at all. You dont NEED your gun either when it comes down to it, but you have it because you WANT it. I dont NEED to have an xbox to entertain myself, but I do because I WANT to and CAN. It is all about the WANT and CAN. So leave us the hell alone. I dont tell you what you do and dont need

I respect your endeavors, and while I believe that you should be legally free to do so, the social repercussions of having such a device should make you contemplate whether or not your purchase is a wise one.

Technically I inherited my guns, I am more of a car person, but I see your point and while in an angry rant of a response you made a very rational argument, honestly one of the most rational I have ever heard, because in essence you are right for most people it is more of a want than a need, I know a few people however who say they need them.

There's no real response to that, other than the fact that the assault weapon ban does not address fully automatic weapons in any compacity, as those are already illegal under the machine gun ban of 1986. Weapons made before that are grandfathered in past the law, and current legislation doesn't touch them. The assault weapon ban seeks to disbar the use of "military looking" semi-automatic weapons by banning specific features, such as folding stocks and pistol grips.

The law system is ****** though. If you used a knife on a burglar you can still be charged for carrying an offensive weapon and if you stab him, you will be charged will attempted murder. Even if you use your fists to defend yourself and you **** him up, you'll be charged with assault.

Well thats the way it is in the UK anyway, Westminster has gone done ****** up everything for everyone. Just recently they banned the sale of "Alien Plants" because it was a risk to native species, completely oblivious to the part of them allowing aliens (Immigrants) in to breed us out. According to the telegraph, if immigration rates stay the same, the whites will be the minorities by 2066.

ok, i want to get something straight, the obama gun law wants to get rid of military and police grade weapons, but this would compromise our national security. the world views america as a bunch of gun toting loons, and thats the way we like it. you dont see any foreign nations attempting to invade our soil anytime soon huh? also automatic weapons are legal in some states with a class 3 weapons license.

What the **** do you think we are talking about here? Full-autos? They have been banned since 1986 you *******

>BUT DUH SEMI_AUTOS

You do know this ban would make an ar-15 illegal which fires a 223 round but the ruger mini 14 ranch rifle in semi-auto, same caliber and magazine size it would not? Tell me how this plan with stop gun violence,

You can sit here and play arm-chair activist all you want I actually went to my capital to march for my rights. Quit ******** on the constitution. I was at the capital the day they Gun-grabbers marched to show their support for the ban, And I can tell you that you people are not the majority.

In-fact you can go the CNN's website right now, They have started producing Pro-gun articles because of how bad their ratings dropped after that fat-jawed idiot Piers Morgan started his holy crusade by standing on the corpses of children to promote his agenda.

You are right in only one respect. NOW is the time to act, BUT with our "BRAINS" not our feelings. hundreds of children die each day in america because of handgun crimes.

"BUT DAH SUPER POWERED ASAULT WEPON!!"

No you can track down gun violence in america by city you can even Pinpoint it to neighborhoods. WHAT we need to do is put wealth into these neighborhoods, and increase education in these places. For mass shooters we need to fix mental health we also need to stop them from glorifying these mass shooters in the media like there some ******* war god.

"BUT DAT COST TO MUCH"
SO ******* what? cost to much do you realize how many people you will put out of a job by banning these rifles? Millions of **** sake. And saying things like "Our children shouldn't be safe because it cost to much shouldn't be a ******* answer. You should be ashamed for even using that god damn picture. Think with your ******* brain not your feelings.

You know, people like you make it so much ******* harder for people like me to defend my point. You can make a goddamn argument without being such a giant douche bag and insulting the other person. It undermines your argument and mine. Read below on how to actually have a goddamn discussion about this instead of stomping your feet and resorting to grade school insults. Grow the hell up if you want to be taken seriously.

What ******* fantasy universe are you living in?! Miltary grade weapons have been illegal to own for decades. Semi-automatic weapons fire ONE shot with each pull of the trigger and are far from "military grade". Find me a military that issues rifles which are limited to semi-automatic only. You're a ******* moron.

I am so stupidly sick of this fallacy. No civilian can get ahold of a military-grade anything. The term "assault weapon", as currently defined in law, is basically any gun that looks "military like". It is a made up term that is not actually used in the gun world, and politicians arbitrarily used it to define semi-automatic weapons with 'scary features', like fold-able stocks and pistol grips. What you people seem to think is going to be banned are weapons like the M16 and the M4, assault rifles that have fully automatic and burst fire capability that can mow people down. What they are actually TRYING to ban are weapons like the AR15, which is functionally identical to any semi-automatic hunting rifle. It just looks more military like. You can read all about the damn thing here.

The AR-15 was made for the US military, it is a military grade weapon. US citizens have no business what so ever owning a gun like this.
Yes the civilian sold rifle is semi automatic, but that doesn't really make it any less dangerous.
Most people who own them won't be using them to shoot targets or hunt, most will have them for "personal defence", but if you're able to carry one of these then someone who wants to do you harm can also own one.
Not to mention the fact that you won't be given the opportunity to use it.

The AR-15 was originally designed for military use (as the M16), until the weapon was later sold to Colt in 1963, were it was redesigned from the M16 weapon system to the current civilian firearm you have now. The AR-15 in its current incarnation was not made for the military, it was designed with civilians in mind.

which is strange because assault weapons only account for two percent of all gun crime. but think about it this way. the average person isnt going to be trained with a gun.i dont agree with that, i think all gun owners should have some form of safety training, but thats the reality of it. they may need more than six bullets. what if the guys on drugs? police are trained two to the chest one to the head but the average citizen isnt.

now lets get down to the real reason gun owners dont want them taken away. theyre fun as hell to shoot. go to an unmanned range set up random **** to shoot at and go crazy. its a blast.

i have no problem with better control of whos buying them. you want psychological tests first? fine. you want a gun license? fine. you want safety courses before being allowed? i will vote for that bill and sign up. just dont take away the fun guns that kill the smallest percent.

the issue is the current ban isnt trying to reduce gun violence. whens the last time you saw an NRA member go on a shooting spree? sure people that are trained with guns kill people. not too long ago a pro wrestler killed his entire family with his bare hands then killed himself. we gonna start cutting people arms off the moment they learn how to kill with them?

guns make killing a lot of people quickly easier. got it but ever notice where these mass shootings are? schools theaters, you know places where its illegal to have guns. yet we dont have one trained person with a gun to protect these places. courts have armed personel why cant schools?

its at this point i realise i went into a very long winded rant and am stopping now

Call me paranoid but I have a rifle and a set of riot gear (ballistic vest, leggings, sleeves, helmet, gas mask, shield, etc) in case of a large scale riot or invasion on U.S. soil, I hope that neither of those will ever happen but just in case it's good to be prepared. If it's gonna be a choice of me or them it's gonna sure as hell be them if I can help it. (I have three magazines of rubber bullets for the riot scenario and three magazines of fmj's for the invasion one).

All the weapons featured in that video were created and manufactured before 1986, when the machine gun ban was enacted. Current legislation can not (and will not) touch them do to grandfather law. They existed before the legislation was passed, and are freely in civilian circulation. Further more, they are heavily regulated, requiring extensive, EXTENSIVE background checks and several government permits to own. Most of them are in incredible disrepair due to being nearly thirty years old.

....You really only see what you want to see don't you? "Incredible Disrepair?" Dude. I guarantee those dudes treat those guns like babies. If it was in "incredible disrepair" they'd be dangerous to fire, would likely look like trash, and likely would not be allowed to fire on the range. ALSO, how the **** do you think FPS Russia gets his weapons? Those are CURRENT MILITARY GRADE WEAPONS. And I guarantee you NONE of them are owned by the military, they're privately owned. Know your **** about guns before you make stupid comments you ignorant twat.

No gun in that video is in common use by the modern day military. You can look them all up, individually, yourself. The closest thing to a modern gun in that video was what I believe to be a civilian variant Barret .50 cal Anti-Material rifle (and I could be vastly wrong on that one). You can not get current military technology for private use, it is against the law. No weapon present at that shoot was made after 1986, and the assault weapon ban will not affect any weapon present there. You can feel free to look up the federal statues on the subject yourself, and feel free to contact FPSRussia on the subject. I am well aware of who he is, and I know all the loopholes he has to go through to get his footage. It isn't pretty, and he is an incredibly lucky individual to get to do the things that he does.

Let me correct myself. No fully automatic weapon or artillery piece present in that shoot was made after 1986. The sniper rifles (and anti-material rifles) are a different matter, and not subject to the discussion regardless because the assault weapon ban doesn't address them.

I do not know the laws regarding sniper rifles or anti-material rifles, don't ask me. This is a discussion about fully automatic machine guns, which, again, are illegal if manufactured past 1986 and do not enter civilian hands under any circumstances. There is only one loophole I can possibly think of, and even then I think it'd be illegal. That would be someone retiring from the military, having the proper permits for machine gun weaponry under government statutes, and taking their service weapon home with them (which is possible for a fee).

The AWB (Federal Assault Weapons Ban) defines Assault Weapons in 3 categories, Pistols, Shotguns, and Rifles and that is one of the acts that's in the air at the moment. so He is wanting to ban Pistols, Shotguns, Civilian Semi Auto Version of Military Rifles (And the Military Version obviously ) and their sale but i can own one legally afterwards, just not sell or give away without some red tape. and their business to own them is the Second Amendment but ill let another person argue that.

Tanks would be impractical in urban warfare, and buying jet fuel for an Abrams would be fairly expensive, not to mention the cost of HE or AP shells.
But it I could afford one, I know I sure as hell would own one.

you do realise how saturated the united states is with gund right now right? many of them are not owned by who their registered to since many dont worry about changing registration when transferring guns since it isnt necessary. if the government decided to take away guns they would come to me looking for a mossberg 500 sig tactical .22 and semi auto thompson. this doesnt include my henry repeater and berretta 92fs. the first three rifles would never be found because i sold them. now do this for the, oh, milions of guns out there that are exactly the same way.

it was necessary to an extent. the US needs guns almost. because we are such a large nation calling the cops isnt always the best option. police may be miles away but you need immediate protection. guns are also one of the few things that people think we need to know who owns each one

Yeah, but all the guns didn't appear out of thin air. They got made for both the criminals and civilians. If there is an issue with the police not being there when needed, maybe open more police stations? More jobs aswell.

its not that simple. police are paid by the government. almost every state and city government out their is over or close to budget. they dont have room to budge. we also live in a society that glorifies criminals and demonizes the police force. guns are never made to kill innocents. the manufacturer knew that maybe this will end up in the hands of someone bad but their more likely to end up in the hands of someone good willing to stop the bad. also if your concerned about jobs what about all the people employed by the firearm manufacturing and maintaining industry?

the media. i think around the 80s 90s is when it got really bad.about the time rodney king and rampart happened. songs like **** the police and other things. half the people i know say thy hate cops with a passion. ask half of them they have no reason ask the other half its because they got caught doing something wrong. the most popular games movies and music are about criminals. then the media sensationalizes thse large scale shootings making kids that feel like they want to be remembered and want to kill people et the idea to go out in ablaze of glory