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Does anyone understand why Ryan Tannehill is rocketing up draft boards? He, much like Blaine Gabbert, was really not that impressive in college (same conference too!). I continue to question whether NFL scouts actually watch college football or just go to workouts and get amazed by physical tools working against a vacuum.

Does anyone understand why Ryan Tannehill is rocketing up draft boards? He, much like Blaine Gabbert, was really not that impressive in college (same conference too!). I continue to question whether NFL scouts actually watch college football or just go to workouts and get amazed by physical tools working against a vacuum.

If I remember correctly the Wonderlic also had a ton of questions like "Are you more like a dog or a cat?".

Stuff to get an idea of personality, not intelligence. And you also get some short time limit to do it. Ryan Fitzpatrick did get a 50 though I think

The Wonderlic is a standard test for employers to evaluate potential hires. There are different versions of it that do incorporate questions like you describe, but I don't think the test they give the draft prospects contains stuff like that. For one thing, how would you score it? For another, it's up to the teams to interview these players and get to know them through other means. The idea behind the Wonderlic that draft prospects take is that they are usually given it after running a couple of miles to see how they think while physically exhausted.

If I remember correctly the Wonderlic also had a ton of questions like "Are you more like a dog or a cat?".

Stuff to get an idea of personality, not intelligence. And you also get some short time limit to do it. Ryan Fitzpatrick did get a 50 though I think

The Wonderlic is a standard test for employers to evaluate potential hires. There are different versions of it that do incorporate questions like you describe, but I don't think the test they give the draft prospects contains stuff like that. For one thing, how would you score it? For another, it's up to the teams to interview these players and get to know them through other means. The idea behind the Wonderlic that draft prospects take is that they are usually given it after running a couple of miles to see how they think while physically exhausted.

Hmm. I thought I had taken a sample one on ESPN's Page 2 several years ago, and it had those kind of questions on it. But I'm starting to think those questions were in the Madden Create-A-Player mode where you took the Wonderlic before getting drafted

I think a lot of these low Wonderlic scores come down to the players just not caring about how they perform on these tests because they think that the outcomes won't effect their draft position one way or another. These tests also measure math skills that the athlete may not have used in five or six years.

I've been in college classes with high level SEC athletes, and while they weren't exactly Mensa candidates, they were obviously capable of handling the course material, and in some cases were very earnest about their education.

I think a lot of these low Wonderlic scores come down to the players just not caring about how they perform on these tests because they think that the outcomes won't effect their draft position one way or another. These tests also measure math skills that the athlete may not have used in five or six years.

I've been in college classes with high level SEC athletes, and while they weren't exactly Mensa candidates, they were obviously capable of handling the course material, and in some cases were very earnest about their education.

I read somewhere that very high Wonderlic scores could be detrimental to draft position. Something to do with coaches don't feel comfortable with people that might now that they're smarter than the majority of the staff.

Rod (I think) Woodson was on Sportscenter saying he's heard 90% of what Williams said in pregame speeches from his own coaches. I'm not surprised by that - the Saints are the ones who got caught and deserve their punishment, but this is far more of a league-wide mindset than an individual organization and coaching staff's. Hopefully the smackdown that got laid on New Orleans makes other coaches decide to gameplan to outplay other teams, not injure them

I think a lot of these low Wonderlic scores come down to the players just not caring about how they perform on these tests because they think that the outcomes won't effect their draft position one way or another. These tests also measure math skills that the athlete may not have used in five or six years.

I've been in college classes with high level SEC athletes, and while they weren't exactly Mensa candidates, they were obviously capable of handling the course material, and in some cases were very earnest about their education.

I read somewhere that very high Wonderlic scores could be detrimental to draft position. Something to do with coaches don't feel comfortable with people that might now that they're smarter than the majority of the staff.

Kind of the same way I'd heard it, specifically about Myron Rolle (who won a Rhodes Scholarship). If a guy's that smart, he's got options other than football. Does he eat/sleep/live/breathe the game? Will he put the game ahead of his own well being, or will he start to think "maybe I should have gone to grad school" if the going gets tough? I think I remember Rolle getting some weird interview questions too.

I think a lot of these low Wonderlic scores come down to the players just not caring about how they perform on these tests because they think that the outcomes won't effect their draft position one way or another. These tests also measure math skills that the athlete may not have used in five or six years.

I've been in college classes with high level SEC athletes, and while they weren't exactly Mensa candidates, they were obviously capable of handling the course material, and in some cases were very earnest about their education.

I read somewhere that very high Wonderlic scores could be detrimental to draft position. Something to do with coaches don't feel comfortable with people that might now that they're smarter than the majority of the staff.

As someone who has been there, this is absolutely true. Even worse in college.

They all want athletes who are smart enough for complex tactical schemes, but dumb enough to never complain about when they don't work.

The last thing you want for team cohesiveness is your QB pointing out exactly how incompetent your OC is in front of the team on a daily basis and ignoring the play calls in the huddle.

I think a lot of these low Wonderlic scores come down to the players just not caring about how they perform on these tests because they think that the outcomes won't effect their draft position one way or another. These tests also measure math skills that the athlete may not have used in five or six years.

I've been in college classes with high level SEC athletes, and while they weren't exactly Mensa candidates, they were obviously capable of handling the course material, and in some cases were very earnest about their education.

I read somewhere that very high Wonderlic scores could be detrimental to draft position. Something to do with coaches don't feel comfortable with people that might now that they're smarter than the majority of the staff.

As someone who has been there, this is absolutely true. Even worse in college.

They all want athletes who are smart enough for complex tactical schemes, but dumb enough to never complain about when they don't work.

The last thing you want for team cohesiveness is your QB pointing out exactly how incompetent your OC is in front of the team on a daily basis and ignoring the play calls in the huddle.

And you never want marginal players to think they have an option other than football so you can force them to play through injuries, ruin their bodies and quality of life, and take minimal salaries while never complaining for fear of losing their jobs, then cut them if they finally get too hurt anyway

I think a lot of these low Wonderlic scores come down to the players just not caring about how they perform on these tests because they think that the outcomes won't effect their draft position one way or another. These tests also measure math skills that the athlete may not have used in five or six years.

I've been in college classes with high level SEC athletes, and while they weren't exactly Mensa candidates, they were obviously capable of handling the course material, and in some cases were very earnest about their education.

I read somewhere that very high Wonderlic scores could be detrimental to draft position. Something to do with coaches don't feel comfortable with people that might now that they're smarter than the majority of the staff.

As someone who has been there, this is absolutely true. Even worse in college.

They all want athletes who are smart enough for complex tactical schemes, but dumb enough to never complain about when they don't work.

The last thing you want for team cohesiveness is your QB pointing out exactly how incompetent your OC is in front of the team on a daily basis and ignoring the play calls in the huddle.

And you never want players who think they have an option other than football so you can force them to play through injuries, ruin their bodies and quality of life, and take minimal salaries while never complaining for fear of losing their jobs, then cut them if they finally get too hurt anyway

Pretty much.

In college, I was outright told by certain departments that I could choose Degree Plan X or I could play football, but not both.

Basically, if you're playing football in college, that's what you're there to do and little else. You can't work, you can't go out, you can't take certain substances (even if they're legal), you can't dictate your schedule, and you can't take the classes you want if there is a conflict.

I once had a game in Nebraska which was going to take me away from my Calculus mid-term, and my teacher told me my options were to either take the test a week early (before all the material had been covered) or miss the test and likely fail the class. She wouldn't schedule any time for me to take it otherwise.

I also had a professor fail me from a pointless Philosophy class because I went to the banquet to receive my Conference Champion ring and awards.

Sports fucks over college kids at just about every angle, and if you don't go to the next level? Welp, hope you learned something. Somehow.

That's what always galls me about the "Well they are getting a free college education" argument when it comes to not playing College Players.

It's something I've always struggled with.

PROS:
- Lots of kids get scholarships that otherwise would have little or no chance at ever going to college. LOTS of kids.

CONS:
- The students' range of educational opportunity is restricted drastically
- They work basically 40 hours a week or more during the season for no pay while the university makes a lot of money
- They basically subsidize the athletics programs of the rest of the school
- Injured athletes often leave the program and fail to graduate
- Major schools have embarrassingly low graduation rates for their student-athletes
- Most student-athletes are poor students and study programs explicitly designed to keep them in school
- Job placement for the common degree plans for S-As is minimal, typically demands further education, and is generally low-paid

Eagles are shopping Asante Samual. I'd probably give up a first rounder and something else for him.

Theres no way they get a first for Asante, just no way. Not even sure who's in the market for a CB right now anyways. They'd have a better market after the draft from the teams who wanted a CB and didn't get one.