Here is a thread for translations of texts translated from other languages into our conlangs (or into other natlangs if you wish). I figured I needed a better place for my translations of the Lord's Prayer and the Seven Kill Stele than the conlang fluency thread.

(This is not typical Old Laqar, because Old Laqar is normally pretty strongly left-branching and SOV, and yet to follow the traditional (English) wording used here I needed to right-branch in places. This is also why I omitted the doxology, because I would have had to change the wording around significantly from the English wording I was following.)

There was a Lord's Prayer thread a long while back. I think I have a saved copy of it on my other computer, which I want to check to see how much my translation has changed between then and now, even though it's the same language ....

÷÷÷÷÷÷÷÷÷÷Poswa:This is a very loose translation. Both culturally and syntactically. I will give notes beneath each line. I'm not good at glossing, but I'll do my best.

Mavwatšose siplapas, father-1ps-2e fate.rescue-GENOur Father in Heaven,(This is a feministic culture. So much so, that the formal word for father is simply a derived form of the word for mother, and is one syllable longer. The word for Heaven is given the genitive, not the locative, because it is seen as a state of being rather than a place.)

labbios, siplapas pelu. gravity.LOC-WHILE fate.rescue-WHILE identicaldown here, as they are in Heaven.(Heaven is not equated with the sky, but with freedom, meaning that the metaphor of gravity keeping people on Earth is still relevant.)

Tafoppub sažžas trout-1PS-ACC-INCH-2ps.IMP today-WHILEGive us our trout today.(Agriculture is unknown, but fish are plentiful, and by far the largest and most nutritious available fish is the trout. I decided to leave the translation of the Gk epiousios completely out, as I mentioned in another thread.)

wa dživabambi bebbi, and sin-1ps.BEC-2p-IMP forgive-2p-IMPand forgive us after we sin against you,(The becausative here is rather like "clean" ---> "clean up after".)

dživažombos bebabos. sin-1ps.PASS-BEC-1ps-WHILE forgive-1ps-WHILEas we forgive people after they sin against us.

Tša žapam pimappepwi next bait.LOC bubble-REFL-NEG-1ps.PASS.IMPDon't lead us into temptation(I'm not sure what to do here. There are three different translations of this sentence, and I have no more standing than anyone to tell which is the closest to the original. I decided to stick close to home and go with the translation I learned in school.)

Sexå-yə=zə lox-də=tša lahem såx əts bel-yem=zə xen-lə-dem re ġá-wu.whole-S.M=REL earth-DEF.S.M=DAT language one and same-P.F=REL word-P.F-DEF.P.F now exist.IPFV-3.P.MNow the whole earth had one language and the same words.

Ǝts riģə nemmə-de=k'əl neko-tw-en dakə=lo duz Šinar-de nora-de=k'ə=zə wåbə ġå-yen-ri əts ts'iz=k'ə wati-yen-ri.and people east-DEF.S.F=ABL migrate.IPFV-PST-3.S.F time=INST PROX.S.F Shinar-DEF.S.F land-DEF.S.F=LOC=REL plain find.PFV-3.S.F-3.S.F and PROX.S.F=LOC settle.PFV-3.S.F-3.S.FAnd as people migrated from the east, they found a plain in the land of Shinar and settled there.

Ts'ü=tša duz ku-yr-en, "Low-xo, helat əts xeru-də=k'ə lox-wə ġá-yə=zə nåtəh gim-lə-lå-wo=pə tay-ə, əts nit=no sex-yə=zə lox-də då-w-də buk-wə=tšak' lebot-lå set-him=k'əl mi-tša kehə dza-lå-ri=pə tay-ə."back=DAT PROX.S.F say.PFV-RECIP-3.S.F come.PFV-IMP.2.P city and heaven-DEF.S.M=LOC top-3.S.M exist.IPFV-3.S.M=REL tower build-PFV-1.P-3.P.M=COMP allow-3.S.M and 1.P=PAT whole-P.M=REL earth-DEF.S.M surface-3.S.M-DEF.S.M over-3.S.M=ALL disperse.PFV-1.P fear-NOM=ABL REFL=DAT name make.PFV-1.P-3.S.F=COMP allow-3.S.MThen they said, "Come, let us build ourselves a city and a tower with its top in the heavens, and let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be dispersed over the face of the whole earth."

Ǝts ġalə bil-lə-w-dim gim-lə-rå-wə=zə helat-də əts nåtəh-də=no zey-lə-ts-wu=tša Šey-də k'itšə=tšak' law-ə.and mankind child-P.F-3.S.M-DEF.P.F build-PFV-3.P.F-3.S.M=REL city-DEF.S.M and tower-DEF.S.M=PAT see-PFV-GER-3.P.M=DAT lord-DEF.S.M down=ALL come.PFV-3.S.MAnd the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of man had built.

Ǝts Šey-də ku-yə, "Zey, dar zetə såx te-wu-ri, əts dar=tša lahem såx ġá-yen, əts de dar de lə-wu-wə=pə nay-ə=zə de zitš-də ti-y-wə. Ǝts dar latsə lota-wu-wə=zə yår šå dar=tša šu tuz-yə=pə re nay-ə.and lord-DEF.S.M say.PFV-3.S.M see PROX.P.M ethnic_group one be_equal.IPFV-3.P.M-3.S.F and PROX.P.M=DAT language one exist.IPFV-3.S.F and PROX.S.M PROX.P.M PROX.S.M do.PFV-3.P.M-3.S.M=COMP will-3.S.M=REL PROX.S.M start-DEF.S.M be_equal.IPFV-3.S.M-3.S.M and PROX.P.M do.PFV-GER propose.PFV-3.P.M-3.S.M=REL thing NEG.S.M PROX.P.M=DAT NEG possible-3.S.M=COMP now will-3.S.MAnd the Lord said, "Behold, they are one people, and they have all one language, and this is only the beginning of what they will do. And nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them.

De=k'əl Šey-də dar=no ts'i=k'əl kå-yə=zə lox-də då-w-də buk-wə=tšak' lebut-wo, əts dar helat-də gim-u-wə=pə yats-ə.PROX.S.M=ABL lord-DEF.S.M PROX.P.M=PAT DIST.S.M=ABL all-S.M=REL earth-DEF.S.M surface-3.S.M-DEF.S.M over-3.S.M=ALL disperse.PFV-3.P.M and PROX.P.M city-DEF.S.M build.IPFV-3.P.M-3.S.M=COMP end-3.S.MSo the Lord dispersed them from there over the face of all the earth, and they left off building the city.

De=k'əl Šey-də kå-yə=zə lox-də lahem-wə-de ts'i=k'ə liža-lə-y-ri yåk'=lo keh-wə=no Babel-də=lo nil-təw-ə. Ǝts ts'i=k'əl Šey-də dar=no kå-yə=zə lox-də då-w-də buk-wə=tšak' lebut-wo.PROX.S.M-ABL lord-DEF.S.M all-S.M=REL earth-DEF.S.M language-3.S.M-DEF.S.F DIST.S.M=LOC confuse-PFV-3.S.M-3.S.F reason=INST name-3.S.M=PAT Babel-DEF.S.M=INST call.IPFV-PST-3.S.M and DIST.S.M=ABL lord-DEF.S.M PROX.P.M=PAT all-S.M=REL earth-DEF.S.M surface-3.S.M-DEF.S.M over-3.S.M=ALL disperse.PFV-3.P.MTherefore its name was called Babel, because there the Lord confused the language of all the earth. And from there the Lord dispersed them over the face of all the earth.

Ts'urə Süwbə-də əts Ləša-də yul-de mox-sa-yen=pə zenə-tw-u-wə dakə=k'ə tsalla-ye=zə ritš'o=lo yåž-wat-ə=zə yan-me law-ə.north wind-DEF.S.M and sun-DEF.S.M choice-DEF.S.F strong-COMP-3.S.F=COMP dispute.IPFV-PST-3.P.M-3.S.M time=LOC warm-S.F=REL coat=INST wrap.IPFV-PASSP-3.S.M=REL travel.IPFV-AGT come.PFV-3.S.MThe North Wind and the Sun were disputing which was the stronger, when a traveler came along wrapped in a warm cloak.

Yəna-m-də ritš'-wə zəh-se-ts-wə såx-rə yimmə-y-wə=zə de=no sah-him-də=lo mox-sa zur-yə=pə ts'ir ts'ak-u.travel-AGTN-DEF.S.M coat-3.S.M take_off.PFV-CAUS-GER-3.S.M one-ORD succeed.PFV-3.S.M-3.S.M=REL PROX.S.M=PASS other-NOM-DEF.S.M=INST strong-COMP consider.IPFV-3.S.M=COMP DIST.P.M agree.PFV-3.P.MThey agreed that the one who first succeeded in making the traveler take his cloak off should be considered stronger than the other.

Ts'urə Süwbə-də ts'i=hə zəhu-yə row=lo mox žey dozi-yə, əts ts'i tol-sa dozi-yə dakə=lo yəna-m-də ritš'-wə de dek-wə=tšak' žim-sa šik'ə yəši-y-ri; əts Ts'urə Süwbə-də lokáh-de tsəw-ut məze-y-ri.north wind-DEF.S.M DIST.S.M=AGT be_able.IPFV-3.S.M way=INST strong then blow.PFV-3.S.M and DIST.S.M much-COMP blow.PFV-3.S.M time=INST travel-AGTN-DEF.S.M coat-3.S.M PROX.S.M circle-3.S.M=ALL close-COMP however fold-3.S.M-3.S.F and north wind-DEF.S.M attempt-DEF.S.F end-ADV give_up.PFV-3.S.M-3.S.FThen the North Wind blew as hard as he could, but the more he blew the more closely did the traveler fold his cloak around him; and at last the North Wind gave up the attempt.

Ts'urə Süwbə-də Ləša-də kan-de=k'əl mox-sa-tw-ə=pə rekow-tsə-wə šexá-y-wə.north wind-DEF.S.M sun-DEF.S.M two-DEF.S.F=ABL strong-COMP-PST-3.S.M=COMP confess.PFV-GER-3.S.M be_obligated.IPFV-3.S.M-3.S.MAnd so the North Wind was obliged to confess that the Sun was the stronger of the two.

The phrase nama ku arok, glossed as many NEG number, should be interpreted as something along the lines of "so many that it is not a number", i.e. "innumerable". The particle ed in this and the next sentence indicates that a subordinate clause follows. The third-person object pronoun te can also be used as an object marker, as it is in this text.

I worded to incorrectly, but that's no reason to call me a troll. I'm asking because "dead" can be either a noun or an adjective while "kill" can be either a noun or a verb ("to kill").

Your wording, as the wording of the above, displays a profound lack of insight into how languages can work, combined with the apparent believe that English is the measure of how languages work (and I doubt you even understand how English works, with regards to nominalized adjectives and otherwise). Don't you understand at all how profoundly daft it is to say "I don't understand how word X in your language can be transcrived as Y because that's not how it works in English"???

Simple - in Old Zlang imperfective intransitive verbs (which "adjectives" are in Old Zlang) have the second, transitive usage with a causative meaning (and naturally the causative of "dead" is "kill"). In my translation you refer to, I did not add the antipassive marker so as to specify this particular meaning because I figured it would be implicit from context (but to be less ambiguous I could have added it).

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