SOP, I love you man but, speaking here as a 1000% Womanly Woman and Married Mother, I find no trace of anti-breeder misogyny in JKisha's posts, and I have real good radar for that. Having never been to BRC myself, I did not think my opinion was needed in that "bring my baby?" thread, but, I agree with JK and with DAB on the whole Darwin thing she's got going there. Geez. Stupidity is the only crime that is always punished. Poor kid, either way...

"Burning Man ruined my life as I knew it, and I have never been happier." -mgb327

Here we have one of those horrible wars of multiple, contradictory truths in action.1--We live on an over-populated planet, which is driving us all closer to doom (and I'm not talking about the fun, Kernel Kilbuck kind).2--Children are a joy and a delight and being a parent warms and opens your heart in ways you never anticipated.3--Not everyone loves everyone else's kid.4--Not everyone is a fit parent, and no one is 100%.

I don't know if jk hates women. I don't get that vibe.crud, I can't think of what to say that will "fix" this. As far as I can see, it's not "fixable." I respect both parties, and don't want to see this continue, but maybe the best I can do is ask for mutual plonking.

*sigh*

The Lady with a Lamprey

"The powerful are exploiting people, art and ideas, and this leads to us plebes debating how to best ration ice.Man, no wonder they always win....." Lonesomebri

I don't. Your vibe is correct. I'm not sure where SOP picked that up, but he's been nursing it for awhile now. I found out he blocked me on the old board for being anti-breeder or anti-women or something. My comments on that girl bringing her baby would have been the same had it been a single father. I really didn't think you needed me to defend myself, but I wanted to make sure you had no misconceptions. I have lots of faults, but woman-hater is certainly not one of them. (The truth be told, I don't get along all that well with some lesbians. )

theCryptofishist wrote:Here we have one of those horrible wars of multiple, contradictory truths in action.1--We live on an over-populated planet, which is driving us all closer to doom (and I'm not talking about the fun, Kernel Kilbuck kind).2--Children are a joy and a delight and being a parent warms and opens your heart in ways you never anticipated.3--Not everyone loves everyone else's kid.4--Not everyone is a fit parent, and no one is 100%.

I don't know if jk hates women. I don't get that vibe.crud, I can't think of what to say that will "fix" this. As far as I can see, it's not "fixable." I respect both parties, and don't want to see this continue, but maybe the best I can do is ask for mutual plonking.

*sigh*

JKhttp://www.mudskippercafe.comWhen I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle.Then I realized that the Lord doesn't work that way so I stole one and asked Him to forgive me

A baby at burning man is a dangerous idea. To expose an infant to the dust is irresponsible and abusive. Not to mention exposing the rest of us to her baby is also horribly rude. I'd rather see a gang of shirtcockers every day than a baby in that environment.

Suck it."They're like a bunch of Honey Badgers in a sea of hippies." -Goathead

Add to that she sounds about as mature as my daughter was at about 14. I hope to hell she listens and leaves her kid at home - I don't wanna be the dispatcher on duty getting the call for a code on an 8 M/O...

theCryptofishist wrote:I don't think anyone is advocating taking a baby out there, in this thread at least, Dr. Jet.

I understand that. The point was it upsets people to even think about it, so having some aggro towards her is reactionary instead of habitual. Personally, I called her all kinds of horrible names that people would associate with any misogynist and I don't believe that's made me anti-woman or anti-breeder at all. Perhaps it's just that time of the year, when all of us are a little tightly wound.

Suck it."They're like a bunch of Honey Badgers in a sea of hippies." -Goathead

theCryptofishist wrote:I don't think anyone is advocating taking a baby out there, in this thread at least, Dr. Jet.

I understand that. The point was it upsets people to even think about it, so having some aggro towards her is reactionary instead of habitual. Personally, I called her all kinds of horrible names that people would associate with any misogynist and I don't believe that's made me anti-woman or anti-breeder at all. Perhaps it's just that time of the year, when all of us are a little tightly wound.

I agree about the aggro. Sorry I misunderstood.

The Lady with a Lamprey

"The powerful are exploiting people, art and ideas, and this leads to us plebes debating how to best ration ice.Man, no wonder they always win....." Lonesomebri

theCryptofishist wrote:I don't think anyone is advocating taking a baby out there, in this thread at least, Dr. Jet.

I understand that. The point was it upsets people to even think about it, so having some aggro towards her is reactionary instead of habitual. Personally, I called her all kinds of horrible names that people would associate with any misogynist and I don't believe that's made me anti-woman or anti-breeder at all. Perhaps it's just that time of the year, when all of us are a little tightly wound.

I agree about the aggro. Sorry I misunderstood.

No apologies needed. I just wanted to rant about stupid. I should have made my intent more transparent.

Suck it."They're like a bunch of Honey Badgers in a sea of hippies." -Goathead

theCryptofishist wrote:I don't think anyone is advocating taking a baby out there, in this thread at least, Dr. Jet.

I understand that. The point was it upsets people to even think about it, so having some aggro towards her is reactionary instead of habitual. Personally, I called her all kinds of horrible names that people would associate with any misogynist and I don't believe that's made me anti-woman or anti-breeder at all. Perhaps it's just that time of the year, when all of us are a little tightly wound.

JKhttp://www.mudskippercafe.comWhen I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle.Then I realized that the Lord doesn't work that way so I stole one and asked Him to forgive me

I'm sure if I step far enough out of line he'll let me know. I don't believe you were being anti-gender at all, just anti-stupid. As for any past remarks, I have no way of judging that. Like I said, we are all wound a little tight at the moment.

jkisha wrote:Are you sure? You better ask SOP about that.

Dr Jet Sinister wrote:

theCryptofishist wrote:I don't think anyone is advocating taking a baby out there, in this thread at least, Dr. Jet.

I understand that. The point was it upsets people to even think about it, so having some aggro towards her is reactionary instead of habitual. Personally, I called her all kinds of horrible names that people would associate with any misogynist and I don't believe that's made me anti-woman or anti-breeder at all. Perhaps it's just that time of the year, when all of us are a little tightly wound.

Suck it."They're like a bunch of Honey Badgers in a sea of hippies." -Goathead

Dr Jet Sinister wrote:I'm sure if I step far enough out of line he'll let me know. I don't believe you were being anti-gender at all, just anti-stupid. As for any past remarks, I have no way of judging that. Like I said, we are all wound a little tight at the moment.

JKhttp://www.mudskippercafe.comWhen I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle.Then I realized that the Lord doesn't work that way so I stole one and asked Him to forgive me

jkisha wrote:She's an uneducated, single mother, most likely getting some sort of financial assistance, most likely a hippie. The kid is six or eight months old and has never had a meal that didn't come from mommies tit? Shell probably be breast feeding it till it's five! Let her bring it, the gene pool needs filtered from time to time, better now than after it grows up and gets on the government tit.

I dont want to pour fuel into the fire, but here are my two cents.

When I first read JKs post, I was very surprised about what is marked in colour. Surprised in negative way, because I felt this is very but very nasty. I dont know if this is the part which get SOP angry and I wont speak for him, because he can speak for himself.After the first moment, when I wanted to write something not nice in answer, I just realized how tricky internet is and how some things can be misunderstood or misinterpreted. And I dont have feeling JK would be gay antiwoman evil so I just assume I am over reacting and understand this in other meaning that it was actually meant.Hope this make some sense

It is not about this particular women, I think she is dumbo...and I think if you wanna bring such a small baby, you really have to have good equipment and be the hell responsible and prepared it will totally be all about the baby and that it also can have impact on others...

_______________________________________________________________________________We please those who say it is impossible not to hinder those who are already doing it.

Why don't ya stick your head in that hole and find out? ~pieholePlan for the worst, expect the best. Make the most out of it under any conditions. If you cannot do that you will never enjoy yourself. ~CrispyDave

jkisha wrote:She's an uneducated, single mother, most likely getting some sort of financial assistance, most likely a hippie. The kid is six or eight months old and has never had a meal that didn't come from mommies tit? Shell probably be breast feeding it till it's five! Let her bring it, the gene pool needs filtered from time to time, better now than after it grows up and gets on the government tit.

I dont want to pour fuel into the fire, but here are my two cents.

When I first read JKs post, I was very surprised about what is marked in colour. Surprised in negative way, because I felt this is very but very nasty. I dont know if this is the part which get SOP angry and I wont speak for him, because he can speak for himself.After the first moment, when I wanted to write something not nice in answer, I just realized how tricky internet is and how some things can be misunderstood or misinterpreted. And I dont have feeling JK would be gay antiwoman evil so I just assume I am over reacting and understand this in other meaning that it was actually meant.Hope this make some sense

It is not about this particular women, I think she is dumbo...and I think if you wanna bring such a small baby, you really have to have good equipment and be the hell responsible and prepared it will totally be all about the baby and that it also can have impact on others...

Oh Misa, I don't think JK needs white-knighting at all but there are actually way too many women in this country who pig-headedly decline to introduce foods at the proper time and also, decline to wean from the breast until the child goes to school. Single mothers seems particularly prone to this type of enmeshment. This is a seriously fucked up way to raise a child and, it really sounds like this mom is going down that road.

Seriously, this babe is missing out on food and missing her developmental challenges if she is 100% breast fed still at 8 months. JK is very well-informed for someone who supposedly hates breeders.

"Burning Man ruined my life as I knew it, and I have never been happier." -mgb327

Actually I can appreciate your reaction to that comment. It wasn't meant to be nice, so let's get that out of the way up front. But I meant it in the sense of "in the United States most mothers want to get the kid off the breast and onto the bottle as quickly as possible and are usually starting to feed them other foods as soon as they can". My implication being that she nursed way longer than the average mother in this country and in turn, the conclusion was "she must be some sort of hippie". I have nothing against breast feeding, in fact I actually believe it better to nurse up until the baby is two for many reasons, it just doesn't happen here. Last I read on this, many other countries nurse much longer...some over six years or more! Now I do find that a bit weird. So, sorry if my remark was either taken differently as it was meant or if you found it offensive.

MisaBlue wrote:

jkisha wrote:She's an uneducated, single mother, most likely getting some sort of financial assistance, most likely a hippie. The kid is six or eight months old and has never had a meal that didn't come from mommies tit? Shell probably be breast feeding it till it's five! Let her bring it, the gene pool needs filtered from time to time, better now than after it grows up and gets on the government tit.

I dont want to pour fuel into the fire, but here are my two cents.

When I first read JKs post, I was very surprised about what is marked in colour. Surprised in negative way, because I felt this is very but very nasty. I dont know if this is the part which get SOP angry and I wont speak for him, because he can speak for himself.After the first moment, when I wanted to write something not nice in answer, I just realized how tricky internet is and how some things can be misunderstood or misinterpreted. And I dont have feeling JK would be gay antiwoman evil so I just assume I am over reacting and understand this in other meaning that it was actually meant.Hope this make some sense

It is not about this particular women, I think she is dumbo...and I think if you wanna bring such a small baby, you really have to have good equipment and be the hell responsible and prepared it will totally be all about the baby and that it also can have impact on others...

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JKhttp://www.mudskippercafe.comWhen I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle.Then I realized that the Lord doesn't work that way so I stole one and asked Him to forgive me

jkisha wrote:Actually I can appreciate your reaction to that comment. It wasn't meant to be nice, so let's get that out of the way up front. But I meant it in the sense of "in the United States most mothers want to get the kid off the breast and onto the bottle as quickly as possible and are usually starting to feed them other foods as soon as they can". My implication being that she nursed way longer than the average mother in this country and in turn, the conclusion was "she must be some sort of hippie". I have nothing against breast feeding, in fact I actually believe it better to nurse up until the baby is two for many reasons, it just doesn't happen here. Last I read on this, many other countries nurse much longer...some over six years or more! Now I do find that a bit weird. So, sorry if my remark was either taken differently as it was meant or if you found it offensive.

See, that is what I meant! I just read it from completely different side...(and JK, I have the same opinion about breast feeding up to two years )

_______________________________________________________________________________We please those who say it is impossible not to hinder those who are already doing it.

Now if everyone else would please realize, we all agree that young girl should not be bringing her child to BRC. And we all know that semantics and undertones that are clear during physical communication get lost on the inter-web, so lets move on already! And get back to what really maters, TALKING SHIT ABOUT IDIOT POSTERS!

Is that even a real thing? Aren't most vegan meals raw?Or is a raw vegan meal just some carrots and ranch dressing?

Why don't ya stick your head in that hole and find out? ~pieholePlan for the worst, expect the best. Make the most out of it under any conditions. If you cannot do that you will never enjoy yourself. ~CrispyDave