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The Catalyst.
Without him driving and getting players involved we are a bunch of individual parts. He can knock down the occasional three and he brings a toughness to this team.

The Mouth.
He provides valuable depth, leadership, defense, IQ, and has a touch all the way out to the three point line. His length gives teams problems and his attitude motives. He too adds a level of toughness.

The Neophyte.
I think the short video clip below says it all but just in case it doesn't...
He provides much needed and anticipated perimeter defense as well as athletic ability. This not only helps him get to the basket but increases our overall level of athleticism. Brewer nor JR were never going to supplant him if things went right.

We are not good enough to get by without a full arsenal of our best players, no team is. Let's not get it twisted, we need them.

There is little to no difference between the top teams in the NBA. A player here, an off/on night, an injury there and things change on a dime. Look at last years playoffs; both IND and OKC had series leads on the eventual champs. And one of their stars was hurt.

In order for us to win a chip we'll be riding the razors edge... hoping everything goes right for us.

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His slashing is an asset no question, solid passer and has a nice floater.

But I think we're using this losing streak to make Felton look good.

Felton can either make this team better or make this team worse. We don't know how well he's recovered from his hand injury.

I won't call Felton overrated yet, but it's really hard to give an unbias view on Felton because everyone who isn't playing during our cold streak will look awesome right now. They will look like the ultimate solution to our problems until they become our problem.

His slashing is an asset no question, solid passer and has a nice floater.

But I think we're using this losing streak to make Felton look good.

Felton can either make this team better or make this team worse. We don't know how well he's recovered from his hand injury.

I won't call Felton overrated yet, but it's really hard to give an unbias view on Felton because everyone who isn't playing during our cold streak will look awesome right now. They will look like the ultimate solution to our problems until they become our problem.

Does that make sense?

because he has great games in which he runs the offense and other games in which he think hes a.i. and he doesnt lmow his boundaries. why cant he be just consistent. i think these games show how important he is to us. maybe he is overrated but on our team and system makeup maybe he is underrated by us

His slashing is an asset no question, solid passer and has a nice floater.

But I think we're using this losing streak to make Felton look good.

Felton can either make this team better or make this team worse. We don't know how well he's recovered from his hand injury.

I won't call Felton overrated yet, but it's really hard to give an unbias view on Felton because everyone who isn't playing during our cold streak will look awesome right now. They will look like the ultimate solution to our problems until they become our problem.

Does that make sense?

Kidd's weaknesses are showing at the 1. He's too slow to get in the lane, and when guarding quicker PG's he;s getting beat (to be fair so too was Felt, but Felt gets in the lane much better). He's better at the off-guard making one if two quick decisions; shoot or pass.

And yeah, IF they are our problem there's nothing more we can do. But so far two of them have contributed to a solid start, and Shump has the potential.

When considering us clicking on all cylinders, the good should outweigh the bad.

*BTW Felton's decline coincides with a broken hand(s) injury. Can't fault him for being tough and competitive knowing we have talent to replace him.

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Originally Posted by Red

Kidd's weaknesses are showing at the 1. He's too slow to get in the lane, and when guarding quicker PG's he;s getting beat (to be fair so too was Felt, but Felt gets in the lane much better). He's better at the off-guard making one if two quick decisions; shoot or pass.

And yeah, IF they are our problem there's nothing more we can do. But so far two of them have contributed to a solid start, and Shump has the potential.

When considering us clicking on all cylinders, the good should outweigh the bad.

*BTW Felton's decline coincides with a broken hand(s) injury. Can't fault him for being tough and competitive knowing we have talent to replace him.

I agree, Kidd is like a 70 rating on speed, where Felton is like a 90. It makes a huge difference consider Knicks don't have the foot speed to keep up with other speed sometimes. Our faster players are Felton, Shumpert and Smith...Melo helps out alot because he can outrun most PF's without trying.

Hopefully Felton heals up soon.

We're close to Miami. .5 games out of the #1 seed.... we're just going through some challenging phases, like you said...we really MISS Rasheed's presence and Felton's penetrating and facilitating the offense.

We looked unstoppable with those two guys.

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I was just telling a friend that all the things that we're struggling with right now are things that will be addressed when we get healthy. We're struggling with penetration to the rim (Felton), perimeter defense (Shump), communication on defense (Sheed), rebounds (Camby,Sheed). If we can get everyone healthy we should start blowing teams out again.

We need Felton & rookie Pablo in the rotation so old-head Kidd could receive spot minutes during regular season to be healthy for the postseason.

We need Rasheed/Kurt/Camby veteran experience to give us some deep-depth in the frontcourt.

Shump is a "mystery" .. we will be expecting the 6th-man Shump that gell into a star SG in the backcourt with Jeremy Lin .. we will not be expectin the struggling Shump that couldnt make the rookie All-Star roster.

We need Felton & rookie Pablo in the rotation so old-head Kidd could receive spot minutes during regular season to be healthy for the postseason.

We need Rasheed/Kurt/Camby veteran experience to give us some deep-depth in the frontcourt.

Shump is a "mystery" .. we will be expecting the 6th-man Shump that gell into a star SG in the backcourt with Jeremy Lin .. we will not be expectin the struggling Shump that couldnt make the rookie All-Star roster.

Bulls was blowing us 3 times but Knicks get closed to finshing with some better score @ the end but how come Bucks won with them twice EVEN they were down -29 in UC and then @ home they were wich same roster.

One thing's become crystal clear during the Knicks' current three-game skid: This team misses Raymond Felton. Badly.

New York's ball movement was non-existent at times in Friday night's 108-101 loss to the Bulls, just as it was in losses to Indiana and Boston.

Felton would have made a difference. Just ask Carmelo Anthony.

"We miss Raymond," Anthony said after scoring too many of his game-high 39 points in isolation Friday. "We miss him pushing the tempo of the game. There’s a lot of things that when he was playing we were getting [and] we’re not getting right now. When we have different guys in the lineup, the games change
The games have changed for the worse for the Knicks (23-13) of late.

Jason Kidd has hit a rough patch. He missed all six of his shots and finished without an assist in 20 minutes. Kidd had an uncharacteristic five turnovers Thursday in Indy.

No one on the Knicks would ever say it, but you have to wonder if the minutes are catching up with the 39-year-old vet.

Pablo Prigioni (12 points, eight assists) picked up the slack on Friday, but he's been inconsistent in Felton's absence, with three assists or fewer in half of the eight games Felton's missed with a fractured right pinky.

No one is saying that Kidd and Prigioni are the reason New York is 3-5 since Felton went down, but the Knicks were quick to admit they've missed Felton's presence at the point.

"There's no doubt," Steve Novak said. "The way he plays the pick-and-roll and the attention he draws. He's aggressive in scoring the ball. Pablo has done a great job and Jason has, too, but we miss him and we hope he'll be back in a couple weeks."

Due in part to bone bruises in both hands, Felton was struggling with his shot before he went down. Fans and some media were questioning his shot selection. So the injury in some ways was a blessing in disguise. It will give the bone bruises in Felton's hands a chance to heal.

Felton

I have never been a Felton fan, but when he is not playing hero ball he can be very effective. We definitely miss him. Kidd's age is catching up to him. Though he is a great floor general, he cannot keep up with most guards defensively and he lacks the quickness for a dribble penetration offensive game.

We also miss Sheed and the Amar'e that we originally signed. Amar'e seems to have lost his explosiveness.

As for Shump, I wonder whether his shot and his handle at the rim will have improved. His mechanics always looked good but he tends too often to lose the ball at or close to the rim when he drives. Perhaps his hands are relatively small. I trust he has done a a massive amount of shooting during his recovery. I have high hopes for Shump. He is very bright and appears to work very hard. And he has an outsized personality. In that respect, he is Clyde like. He has a bright future even after his playing days end.