Mark Bazeley is the narrator. It very History channel-ish where they cover a lot if ground quickly and try to show a bit of both sides. It definitely makes you realize that those in power will try to get away with whatever they can get away with and in some ways leaves you with more questions than answers.

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"Fascists rejected reason in the name of will, denying objective truth in favor of a glorious myth articulated by leaders who claimed to give voice to the people."

Don't need no conspiracy. Rob Porter: presidential right hand man, no security clearance. If there was a conspiracy, we'd never find out shit like that. And DT would certainly let us know if there were aliens, haarp weather effects, chemtrails, etc. Still waiting to hear what he has to say about opium in Afghanistan.

"A man is rich when he has time and freewill. How he chooses to invest both will determine the return on his investment."

Waco is a complex issue. I think there may have been a cover up, but I think the event was the result of fuck ups. There are too many Waco like communities with reports of incest, child marriages, polygamy, and you name it, all claiming an expression of religious freedom.

"A man is rich when he has time and freewill. How he chooses to invest both will determine the return on his investment."

I don't doubt Koresh has issues and enjoyed his status and power which he probably abused but I believe there was a cover-up of how the ATF dealt with the families and children. Yet they were so demonized no one seemed to care.

Either way the whole thing was a tragedy and is well worth watching. Although I would have to do my own research before I could really have an opinion but considering the body count something definitely went wrong.

Cults are said. I know people in taiji cults and even though some there are skilled I will have nothing to do with them because I can't hold my tongue but I would certainly hope for better for people who get caught up in cults.

"Fascists rejected reason in the name of will, denying objective truth in favor of a glorious myth articulated by leaders who claimed to give voice to the people."

Watching it two decades later, if you already know the story and don't have 2 hours to watch it and the CSPAN footage/hearing you can jump to 137:00 and you will see the ATF using a tank to take everyone out.

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"Fascists rejected reason in the name of will, denying objective truth in favor of a glorious myth articulated by leaders who claimed to give voice to the people."

Well, my problem is that I could point to many earlier government oversteps, f-ups, and murders, including dropping bombs on U.S. homes. That's just the FBI, specifically under Hoover. It doesn't even count CIA operations overseas. I also think there are plenty of things happening currently that are better to complain about.

"A man is rich when he has time and freewill. How he chooses to invest both will determine the return on his investment."

To me, at this point, Waco is still being used by people on the right to demonize the gov't for coming down on them. If Koresh had been a Muslim fundamentalist, with guns, there would be no outcry from the right. (Not that it would come from anyone, frankly). Ruby Ridge and Waco have been a rallying cry.

"A man is rich when he has time and freewill. How he chooses to invest both will determine the return on his investment."