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I have to make sure my 4-year-old is up by 5:00, or he won't go to bed. My 2-year-old needs to be up by 3:00-4:00, depending on how much sleep she's had (no more than 3 hours, but it's rare that she gets that much). My older one needs more sleep than my younger one, who will probably be giving up her nap completely before too long.