The example provided above and some of my descriptions of experiment resultsare offered in the context of a solar system scenario which is quite different thanconventionally told which still excludes historical input from myth and legend. The consequence of excluding those details results in the conventional story becominga modern myth, destroted history of gradualist making.

To the catastrophist scenario, specifically Talbott's Saturnian Model, these examples were offeredas demonstrations of electrical interactions and the scars which might result upon planetary surfaces.It (TSM) might have some flaws within it but my objecteve is to neither prove or disprove the house theoryof the Thunderbolts group, just offer experimental evidence for them to decipher...

At the time of these experiments a scenario of solar system transformation was beingdeveloped, it suggested that there had been an axial arrangement of celestial bodies which involved electrical interactions, it then degraded in stability eventually disassembling into the solar systemarrangement we have now .. I make mention of this because the experiments being done where imaginedto logically place, at one point, the surfaces of involved bodies in the midst or between the electricdischarge activity -which was consistant or sustained. But, at a later stage -after disassembly- there wouldseem to be another phase needed for experiments which no longer have the bodies involved in a drivendischarge. They would be catching remote influence and would on occasion be brought into close proximitywhere-upon they would interact electrically releasing whatever potential they had accumulated while movingremotely around and through the solar activity..

In all its complexities there seems to be a need to identify and separate features made during any former arrangements -made while in direct contact of a large interaction- or otherwise involved,from those made while the planets roamed independent of each other. It is this latter stage thatseems well suited to electrostatic experiments,, whereas the former stage might be best replicatedby "driven" electrical experiments...

In whatever conclusions are developed it is expected that an honest scientific process is administered,meaning that fair consideration is given to all possibilities. If the thunderbolts group gets it right thenwe are off to a new understanding of the dynamics and processes which shaped our planet and influencedthe history of mankind. Our greates concern should be taking steps to not repeat the mistakes and confusiongenerated by modern efforts to explain-away the past and marginalize input from our ancestors... d..z

This image from the video mentioed previously: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD2IPqdeyr4gives us an example of a body being side-swiped by an electrical interaction. This is in arc-modeand might be a representation of what caused some aspects of Valles Marinaris, which appears to havean entry wound and an exit wound of differing electrical signitures...

We might also consider features like those on Mercury,, long chains of craters, as possibly the result of a less direct version of being too close to one of the dark-current Birkeland filemants reaching out from the sun toward other regions beyond..

The formation of the chained-spider features and the chained-craters of one session from 2011 experiments was somewhat similar -in a less energetic sense,, where just the electric field of a conductor was used toeffect the formation of surface features... No contact was made and no arcs were visible, but electrical signitures,similar to what is seen at certain locations of Valles Marinaris' west-ward section and even its centeral area,can also be seen in the experiment results..

Can anyone show here and now where such similarity has been produced in other experiments?

At some point in time our neighboring planets began interacting in a less dramatic sense, but thattook long enogh for our ancestors to develop tremendous fear over the cyclical drama,, so muchso that the new year really meant something to the surviving cultures... This hints at dramaticelectrical interaction while the planets were detached from a "driven axial interaction" and justsusceptible to electrostatic interaction as their proximity was closed during their individual orbitsaround the sun.. We see this interaction even today in the form of our atmospheric disturbancesand geologic events. We see atmospheric disturbances on Mars as well.

These events may have only recently become survivable events to the majority of our planet's population.

We must also remember Venus and its tail and the possibility that invisible filaments of todaywere far more energetic and effective for sculpting planetary surfaces as bodies passed throughthem during their orbit of the sun, in the same manner that Venus' tail brought destructionupon the earth during their annual encounter.. d..z

The image below was introduced into evidence back on page 11 and is applicable to the presentdiscussion along with an image on page 12 of a trench compsed of craters formed as the arc wouldstick and jump as the probe was moved along the material. These were both made by a direct arcfrom a flyback at about 15kv. Notice how differently the trecnh appears in contrast to thedisplacement of material by a single surface discharge during electrostatic experiments with aCRT having an elevated object on a dust covered screen. The coronal imprint along the perimeter walls are what captures my attention to the second exampleas more like Valles Marinaris' than the first, which was a sustained traveling arc.

This link and image are guides to the results from one of several similar experimentsof the enhansed-electrostatic surface discharge version and will guide you to the second exampleof this comparison.. I hope to find more of the images taken of these examples which used materialsof varying depths to observe the capability of this type of an enhansed electrostatic discharge.http://para-az.com/eltricu-lbgrp/flmnt-stup1068-s75.jpg

Here is one of several images from the experiment mentioned above. The depth of materialkept coronal filaments from revealing their full range of activity, as well as facilitating steeper walls.

Other images showed emergence of filaments into gaps in material. Shallow material and unknown characteristics of the setup often resulted in radial patternsat intervals and this is part of what caught my eye as a comparison to the western endof Valles Marinaris. I will add that as my next post.

I will also add a directory for recent images dugout of old stores for the labgroup directory. d..z

In the previous post i deliberately used the term electro-dynamic in an instancewhere the term Electrical discharge machining might be appropriate. I used again thethe phrase "driven electracal process" in an offert to highlight a personnal need for a thorough discussionof how experiments are run and what electrical characteristics are at work in the sculptingof celestial bodies.. If experiments are run with an inexhaustable supply of electrical energy,are the results going to be an accurate representation of the interactions which occurred toproduce features on celestial bodies? I can imagine the Sun as being in a constant interactionwith a large charge differential, and that path of interaction may have at one time included numerousbodies along a common axis, however, the bodies that orbit around it now would seem to be detachedfrom that circuit and in a different form of electrical relationship than the Sun is to the Galaxy or a morelocalized differential, as mentioned a few pages back.

I have heard said that plasma makes up 99% of the universe and is the state of matter throughwhich bodies move in our solar system. I hope i got that right because i've also heard that bodiesin a plasma isolate themselves from the plasma by forming a double layer around themselves andthere-upon forms a voltage differential which can lead to the manifestation of electrical interactionin the form of discharges across the DL boundary... I hope i heard that correctly

This last characteristic does not sound like an inexhaustable potential of electrical differential,except perhapse when speaking of bodies on highly elliptical orbits whos nucleus retains a substantial charge.Despite what may be a very high potential the average planet or moon would seem to not be characterisedas having a "driven" electrical potential. The potential seems to be more along the lines of electrostatic potentialthan having the electrical potential supplied and sustined as simulated in the setup of the experiment whichproduced results shown in the previous post.That setup was with a flyback transformer, not at all like the CRT experimentswhich exploited the characteristics of that device and only the screens surface potential...

I can see the distinct difference between the results but a gap in my understanding remains while morequestions exist than what have been answered. Some of these are:

- Is a Double layer comparable in any way to the state of electrostatic potential which can develop on the exterior surface of a CRT or across a capacitor or on a human crossing a carpeted room?

- Is the formation of a double layer comparable to a natural barrier that developes where a resistance to electrical leakage exists?

- When a body discharges to the space environment, does it do so only in a local sense or does the entire surface become involved?

- Are natural electrical discharges a process which shuts itself off at the point of equalibrium or does an imballance develop as an opposite potential, leaving a need for repeated exchanges before equalibrium is attained?

These are nagging questions which probably expose my technical ignorance but that was know fromthe beginning of these backyard experiments, they emerge from observations during experiments.These experiments and explanations were an attempt to learn by doing and were often ledby quesswork, flukes and promptings, with the hope that discussionswould dig deeper to address questions rather than this just being a show-and-tell...

The following statements may help add value to experiments described in this thread and putthem into perspective as good indicators of what might be expected of details foundas scars on planetary surfaces.

When a double-layer sheath surrounds a planet, it is protected from direct electrostaticinteraction with any outside body. Electrostatic forces cannot penetrate the double-layer...However, if a body having a different electrical potential penetrates the double-layer boundaryand moves into the plasma sphere surrounding the planet, charge will flow to try to cancel thevoltage difference. Electrical discharges will occur. D.A. Scott

Such large amplitude arcs would undoubtedly cause scarringon the surfaces of both bodies. Donald A. Scott Electric Sun pg. 137

Recall the experiment done with two monitors passed in close proximity. Dischargesbetween them transferred material and left very specific scars on each surfacealong with accumulations at specific location.

The double-layer acts as an isolator..

It forms in highly conductive plasma if there isa significant voltage difference between two locations within a plasma. D.A. Scott

We should remember that early generators of electrical power were devices that used electrostaticpotential of materials and accumulated that potential for work.These devices had limitations, as did experiments with electrostatic potential because dry air wasthe key ingredient to keep the voltage potential from leaking away...

In a plasma the DL prevents leakage of charge differential and

most of the charge differential will be stored in it. D.A.Scott

It is said that it has a capability to store charge,,, and capacitance is also a capabilityascribed to some material and objects. You have a capacitance and it is made obvious on dry daysas you move across a carpet and then touch a metal object. The surface of some cars can also surpriseyou with an electric discharge as it sits exposed and ungrounded. A capacitor would seem comparable to a double-layer and a CRT's screen is a capacitor, or so i am told.I don't know how the surface is involved but when i bring near a probe, that is grounded at its metal framethe discharge does some interesting work in the material placed on the screen. Even the interactionsbetween the screen and the plastic case are mapped out by the re-deposition of material, sometimesin dendritic patterns.

Looking at the lowest common denominator we have the effects in the form of electrical discharges,,and to the door knob or the dust on a CRT or other surfaces up the scale to that of celestial bodies,the outcome is similar with the primary difference being amplitude and extent,,,but it all seems relative... d..z

This video features a Billy Yelverton's experiment which "nearly" nails the appearance of Valles Marinaris,,He speaks about it toward the end of the video.Closer examination of fine details will persuade me further of exactness,, i am looking for the coronalfeatures, those that sculpt perpendicular features off the main channel -just going up the walls in the east end,and those that produce the radial tributaries of the western part of the main channel. In CJ's experiment it came from a singular substantial discharge transmitting across the entire globe.Mine were limited to a small area around the "surface-current simulator."

Billy's setup is a key detail,,, both anode and cathode are positioned over the surface... That is the entry and exit wound aspect mentioned earlier, but if the coronal features aren't found thena secondary type of discharge is necessary..

An important statement made by Billy at 5:30 and following is total validation of the observationsthat i've been making about the effectiveness of dark-mode currents,, the electric wind.. They wereobserved from the very beginning of CRT experiments and into the ionizer-setup and then laterthey were thoroughly evident during the flyback phase of experiments...It is a good thing that someone else has finally pointed this out because up untill now the house has beenon the arc-mod-only page for sculpting....

We can only hope that this detail doesn't get burried under the uproar over the apparant similarityshown in the lates video,, look for the coronal sculpting,, they may come from periodic surfacedischarges subsequent to the "foundational event"... d..z

This paper has just been entered into another discussion and it is a "must read",so take a close look and please tell me if it might relate to ideas offered as anoutflow of the CRT experiments and dielectric plate experiments. d..z

Two new videos have been added to channel "dahlenaz07" in response to a recentSpace news video which puts some emphasis on crater chains but does not showan experiment example comparable to what is shown as a planetary example.. The substitution of a poor experimental example to try and make a point about theelectric process involved should grab people's attention and might prove to be aweak-spot in the accurate defining of mechanisms responsible for some planetaryfeatures.. Crater chains are not as easy to produce as is you might think.. When high energies andcurrents are involved a problem develops with arc-travel which creates skip-cratersrather than chains.. This was pointed out back in late 2012 and has become a detailthat has been "skimmed" from my research without addressing the problem that is identifiedand how it calls for a better explanation in the grand model of electrical scarring.

The image below is one example of a leader-stroke crater-chain, if i can call it that without creating confusion.. This feature occured"without a visible arc making contact with the surface."I don't remember taking video because i was more concerned about surviving theexperiment than video capture.. But i saw what i saw,, you'll just have tocoax another experiment out of me or look at Billy's for some "possible examples."

Notice that no material was disturbed on either side of the crater chain.The probe was a ways away from the surface whien this occurred near to thegrounding point, seen at a 10:00 position in the image.

In other instances, shown at that time crater-chains were a natural consequenceof electro-mass-lifting and seen to form on a de-nuded surface where a broad removal ofmaterial had just occurred, possibly comparable to Mars' dust-storms or the sensing-phaseof interplanetary interaction.

An important detail came to my attention through the experiments: When mass lifting is occurring,only small filiments can be produced and these filiments produce crater-chains.. When an arc forms, the lifting power is transferred into the arc,,,, filiments and chainsseemed to terminate and skip-craters occurred as current was focused and held...

If this behavioral characteristic is scalable across energy levels and current densities thenthis detail would seem to be very important in defining the grand scheme of activityfor the electrical reconstruction of planetary history... d..z

While trying to make crater chains in an unreponsive material, which forced me to keep the probeextremely close to the surface, the discharging gave me some nice details as an arc madepoint-blank contact. The tendril ridges here which can be seen far beyond the trench's edge.This may have implications in the explanation for Mars' hanging-dendritic ridges.

Electro-magnetic forces combined with an electric-wind,which manifests itself here in Earth's atmosphere, and associated with an electric discharge are instrumental in revealingthe dynamics of the components of a discharge as theysculpted this crater without the involvement of an arc.

While considering the scalability of the verious experiments for the ESSCRT effort,and considering if comparison of large scale plasma phenomenon is applicable toprocess behind planetary scarring, the following thoughts came to mind.

i would offer that most craters are a down-scale phenomenon of an electrical dischargewithin a suitable environment and there-fore the environmentis thoroughly involved in a discharge -at dark and glow modes- long before an arc is formedand as such may be the general case, and since electric currents in space follow filamentary pathways,the pinching of filaments which were already locally active in the environment, and have already been involvedwith the material at that location could possibly be acting to electro-magnetically scoop the material,or dislodge it prior to the completion of the pinching action... We might be seeing signitures ofthis action, in certain craters, as radial characteristics down the sides of the crater...

In experiements these radial features have been seen and the transition from dispersed filaments toan arc-mode grouping of filaments has revealed that a loss of lifting capabilities occurswhen an arc is formed where dark-mod discharge forces had been already active displacing material.

We might think of the hexagonal characteristics as evidence of the pinching actionof the filaments as they crowd together and must leave behind their influence on some materialas they drop their influence over it while beginning to combine themselves into an arc discharge.That was part of the geometry factors which i mentioned earlier.

I am inclined to think that we can't apply up-scale behavior/characteristics to down-scale results.