Well, yes, but CitH isn't Disney so it doesn't have to follow the rule of bad mother figures.

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"Sure there's been toxic relationships before but I have a hard time remembering any where the "mother" was so emotionally manipulative as Mother Gothel. The stepmothers of the past were generally just outright hateful."

I do have to agree that Mother Gothel isn't a good example of a bad mother figure in a Disney story because she was a kidnapper, not Rapunzel's real mother. She only kept Rapunzel around so that she could use the magic in her, so the idea of violated or neglected familial duty isn't there. It seems unfair to call their relationship "toxic" because it wasn't really a relationship at all and nobody who watched it really expected Mother Gothel to be anything other than a monster even if Rapunzel didn't know any better.

Strong, powerful women always are cast as evil or a witch, while nice girls are meek and subservient.

That's not always true. I've actually read a few of the original Grimm's stories recently, and they are by no means written with "nice girls don't do anything active" in mind.

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Strong, powerful women always are cast as evil or a witch, while nice girls are meek and subservient.

That's not always true. I've actually read a few of the original Grimm's stories recently, and they are by no means written with "nice girls don't do anything active" in mind.

Yep, and even the Grimm tales are kind of cleaned up. In Donkeyskin, an early Cinderella variant, the princess is running away from an incestuous relationship with her very toxic father. There's no fairy godmother and she has to fend for herself in the prince's kitchen.

Speaking of the Brothers Grimm, Terry Gilliam's take on them was pretty bad. I was very disappointed - I love a lot of his work, like Baron Munchausen, and the Grimm movie seemed so uninspired.

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My husband has Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunterat home waiting for us to watch together. I am dreading it...I'd like to say I hope it'll have some redeeming value to it, but...hmmm....I suspect it will belong on this list as well.

Just the title made me laugh It intrigued me so much that I looked up the storyline and chuckled some more. I sounds like an excellent candidate for the so-bad-it's-good award and I kind of want to see it now. Wonder if it will come to Australia.

I know that is sacrilege to say because it is such a cult classic; but I don't think I handled more than 10 minutes of the movie - glad that I only rented it and didn't waste money at the theater..

Totally agree with you.

I was on a date once with a guy who wanted to be sweet about picking a "chick flick" that he thought enjoy. We went to see a Sandra Bullock movie - What about Steve or some such title like that. It. Was. Awful. He couldn't quit apologizing!!!

Worst one I ever sat through was No Country For Old Men. The whole movie was violent and just screamed "evil" to me but I sat through it only to get to that ending that just seemed like the Cohen brothers got tired of playing filmmaker and walked away. I was pissed that I sat through all that awfullness for that terrible what-the-hell-just-happened ending.

Avengers was awful. Watching it with a raging migraine didn't help its cause any, either.

Terminator 2. Could not wait for that movie to end so I could end my equally-lousy date and go home. And just my luck, it's the movie that just never ends!

I know that is sacrilege to say because it is such a cult classic; but I don't think I handled more than 10 minutes of the movie - glad that I only rented it and didn't waste money at the theater..

Totally agree with you.

I was on a date once with a guy who wanted to be sweet about picking a "chick flick" that he thought enjoy. We went to see a Sandra Bullock movie - What about Steve or some such title like that. It. Was. Awful. He couldn't quit apologizing!!!

Worst one I ever sat through was No Country For Old Men. The whole movie was violent and just screamed "evil" to me but I sat through it only to get to that ending that just seemed like the Cohen brothers got tired of playing filmmaker and walked away. I was pissed that I sat through all that awfullness for that terrible what-the-hell-just-happened ending.

Avengers was awful. Watching it with a raging migraine didn't help its cause any, either.

Terminator 2. Could not wait for that movie to end so I could end my equally-lousy date and go home. And just my luck, it's the movie that just never ends!

Ted. 'nuff said.

Agree on Pulp Fiction, can take or leave T2, never saw the others, except for Avengers which I frankly cannot disagree more with... although you having a migraine during a loud, flashy action movie might have colored that.