In Response to Re: Why is is ALWAYS Brady's fault because other players DO NOT make BIG PLAYS? : C'mon Woody. You're smarter than that. Again, the D failed in the endgame. When that happens you lose.Posted by BabeParilli

Correct.. the D gave up only ONE play over 20 yards.. the 38 yard pass to Manningham and it had to come on the last drive. The D broke down at the wrong time. Overall, they did very well, but, of all times to give up the big play!

4) Blame Brady. That pass was nearly impossible to catch. Would have been stunning if Welker had caught it. He was wide-open and clear for a TD. Brady missed. But if they had run it on that 2nd down, they may have gotten the first down in one or two tries AND THEY WOULD HAVE EATEN THE CLOCK. They should have run Hernandez. The Gaints had to be tired, and Hernandez is quick and wiley.
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You obviously have not watched that play agsin. Wes had BOTH hands around the ball, and dropped it. i feel just awful for him, but that is the stone cold truth. He should make that play at least 95 times out of 100. It was a little high, but was correctly thrown to the back shoulder to avoid getting Wes blown uo by the safety.

4) Blame Brady. That pass was nearly impossible to catch. Would have been stunning if Welker had caught it. He was wide-open and clear for a TD. Brady missed. But if they had run it on that 2nd down, they may have gotten the first down in one or two tries AND THEY WOULD HAVE EATEN THE CLOCK. They should have run Hernandez. The Gaints had to be tired, and Hernandez is quick and wiley. Posted by chrisakawoody

You obviously have not watched that play agsin. Wes had BOTH hands around the ball, and dropped it. i feel just awful for him, but that is the stone cold truth. He should make that play at least 95 times out of 100. It was a little high, but was correctly thrown to the back shoulder to avoid getting Wes blown uo by the safety.Posted by RTSully6931

I have heard it time and time again.. if the receiver can get BOTH hands on the ball it is VERY catchable and SHOULD be caught! Wes chose a bad time to get stone hands!

In Response to Re: Why is is ALWAYS Brady's fault because other players DO NOT make BIG PLAYS? : No different than the Giants fans who wanted Coughlin's head when they were losing! Talk about fair weather!Posted by agcsbill

Or the ones who troll this board and go underground when the Giants are on a losing streak only to miraculously return for the SB.

Forget the other players. The coaches lost this game. Coughlin once again dictated the temp of the game to the Patriots, kept it close and won it in the end. For some reason, BB has not been able to counter that.

In Response to Re: Why is is ALWAYS Brady's fault because other players DO NOT make BIG PLAYS? : Of course it was.Posted by Schumpeters-Ghost

Everyone focusing on the fact that Welker had the ball touch his hands.. But fail to realize just because it was a catch he could of and has made in the past He had to turn his body Refind the ball and catch it.. Its not like Brady hit him in stride and in the hands and he dropped it.. He was wide open Brady was not under major pressure he could of threw him a better pass.. Brady has to take the blame for that one..

Brady did not have his best game. People are complaining because they cannot win when he does not make mistakes. He made a couple mistakes (the intentional grounding, the interception) and that is too many.

You cannot say that he played well. Despite his ridiculous performance versus the Broncos his postseason numbers were below his regular season numbers. He was the second best QB back in the last two games he played.

The offense did not lose this game. Do not listen to the people who are telling you the defense had a good game because it gave up 19 points (not counting the safety). The defense lost the game because they allowed the Giants to control the tempo of the game. They ate up the clock. They ate up yardage. When they did not score they left the Patriots with a long field. They limited the Patriots to nine possessions when they normally got 12 or more per game. Everytime the Giants had the ball on offense they got at least two first downs and took time off the clock (there shortest drive of the game in terms of time was the TD drive at the end of the game). The Giants offense made this a low scoring game on purpose because they new that gave them the best chance to win. The Patriots defense allowed the Giants to score on half of their possessions. The Giants did not stop the Patriots offense as much as it kept the ball away from them.

In Response to Re: Why is is ALWAYS Brady's fault because other players DO NOT make BIG PLAYS? : Correct.. the D gave up only ONE play over 20 yards.. the 38 yard pass to Manningham and it had to come on the last drive. The D broke down at the wrong time. Overall, they did very well, but, of all times to give up the big play! Posted by agcsbill

It's all about the endgame. I said all year, just give me good D at the end.

The way games flow if the D makes mistakes you can make up for it over the course of the game. You can't at the end.

Even in this heartbreaker, Brady did hit Wes on both hands with a ball he catches "1000 times" (his own words). And even with the pathetic 57 seconds to go a ridiculous 80 yards Tom hit Hernandez and he dropped it. Then he threw a great hail mary that was inches away from being a miracle play.

In Response to Why is is ALWAYS Brady's fault because other players DO NOT make BIG PLAYS? : Well, when the Patriots won all year much of the credit went to TB and the offense. Over 5,000 yds passing. So, if you are going to congratulate him for the wins, then he has to be part of the blame. He made a huge mistake last night throwing that ball deep on 1st and 10 to Gronk. Dumb play. It was not needed. He under threw the ball. And Gronk was clearly not Gronk. Also he missed that pass to Welker. Tough catch for sure. So, blame needs to go to Brady. His offense failed after the opening drive in the second half. No points from like 11 minutes to go in the third. No points. Who do you blame for that?Posted by antiqueman1

I knew that was an INT as soon as he threw it.

You can't throw that deep on a play that takes that long to develop. But also, Gronk should have taken a penalty to protect the ball. Our receivers don't protect the ball well.

4) Blame Brady. That pass was nearly impossible to catch. Would have been stunning if Welker had caught it. He was wide-open and clear for a TD. Brady missed. But if they had run it on that 2nd down, they may have gotten the first down in one or two tries AND THEY WOULD HAVE EATEN THE CLOCK. They should have run Hernandez. The Gaints had to be tired, and Hernandez is quick and wiley. Posted by chrisakawoody

You obviously have not watched that play agsin. Wes had BOTH hands around the ball, and dropped it. i feel just awful for him, but that is the stone cold truth. He should make that play at least 95 times out of 100. It was a little high, but was correctly thrown to the back shoulder to avoid getting Wes blown uo by the safety.Posted by RTSully6931

Impossible to catch? That's just ridiculous. IT HIT BOTH HIS HANDS SQUARE.

There were many plays that contributed to the loss. While Brady didn't have his best day, it wasn't exactly a "stinker". The safety and INT are on him, to be sure. But the receivers had some key drops late in the game. Not only Welker, but Hernandez and Branch as well. All they needed was two first downs to ice the game. The pass to Welker was not perfect, but we see WRs catch many balls that don't hit them on the numbers. And in the 4th quarter of the SB you have to make that grab. I thought the defense did pretty well, considering. They shut down Cruz mostly. They held up in the red zone forcing two FGs. Sure, I would have liked to see more pressure, especially late. But we all knew what we had on D. Gronk's inability to play like himself really hurt the offense, as the Giants knew he was ineffective. As far as the last Giants drive, there isn't a defender in the league who could have stopped that 38 yard catch. That was not luck like Tyree's was. It was a great play, and our WRs weren't making any themselves. So despite all the earlier mistakes, I feel the drops in the 4th quarter were mostly responsible for the loss. They made the plays late and we didn't. That's what it usually comes down to in big games. So there's enough "blame" to go around. Time to shrug it off and hope with a full training camp the defense can get it together for September! And maybe a tall WR (who can make those catches like Manningham did Sunday) in the draft!

Tom thinks he can make big plays he can't he's time is up as is BB. BB cant make up a Defense and more and TB lost his nerve with pressure on him the both should go out now it's over they are not making it to the SB together again.

It's on Tom, the Welker pass was a wide open pass that he threw terribly. Welker did all he could to adjust and make the catch, but it was too far out. That killed the defense, did you see Wilfork, Warren and Ellis after the drop? They all yelled a collective..."NO!"

Brady was also at fault for not holding the ball and just getting some positive yards on the Gronk INT. He did the same thing against the Ravens and it resulted in a pick as well. Again, just like with the Ravens, Brady could've thrown a TD if he threw it to Gronk in stride. He underthrew it and Gronk had no shot. Another bad pass went to Branch when he threw it behind him, Deion had room in front of him and a pump fake would've worked him open.

I get it, you guys refuse to criticize God Brady, but he's at fault for the loss. Our 'terrible defense' gave up 18 points after the Pats offense was non-existent for the first quarter. They came back in the second and made some plays, then the Pats offense shut down again in the third. That's been the problem with this offense all season, they just look unprepared at times. That's on Brady, BB did his part. He QBed his defense and they played a winnable game, Brady's offense couldn't do their job and score.

Ignore the Trolls, the Giants defense didn't beat the Pats offense, the Giants defense was beat when Welker waltzed right past them with what could've been the game clinching TD. The offense just couldn't capitalize; I say enough. We sacrificed having a great defense to create a great offense, when we had a great defense we were 3-0 in the SB. With a great offense, we're 0-2.