そうです vs 思うI'm in an on-line discussion (for whatever that is worth....) about the pronunciation of the two おう sounds in these words. My antagonists claim these are the same, but I don't think that that is true....Any native speakers and local cracks like to comment on this?Much obliged in advance!

katafei wrote:Blimey, how did you get those deep-links to JBreen???They never seem to work for me....

In case anyone wants to know how to turn those links on, go to WWWJDIC's customize page and enable the option there. (The option defaults to "off".)

FWIW, IMNSHO そうand おもう sound quite different. In the first the う is (simply) lengthening the vowel in そ, whereas in おもう it's a vowel in its own right. Call it a quirk in Japanese orthography. Some people wish that the writing reforms of the late 1940s had fixed on ー for all vowel-lengthening, and not just in 外来語 written in katakana.

Thanks for all the answers, ppl ^^It's so frustrating to believe that you're right and others just say: 'it's simply a matter of listening' or 'I've been to Japan, I know what 思う sounds like'....At least now I can think what they are saying, again, FWIW

And thanks for that explanation how to create deep links....I'm gonna try that right away!

Hmmm, I'm totally blonde...I reset two options, but it still doesn't work for me...

The following are disabled by default. You can selectively enable them here. O P T I O N Enable Disable Display dictionary entries in two columns Add a space between entries Decrease the font size in the Menu Bar Display only Common word (P) entries (use with caution)

The option Jim-sensei was talking about was to get the links to the audio clips to show.

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You don't need to change any options to get the backdoor entry to work. You just need to get the format of the URL correct. The URL to the CGI program is fixed. You only need to worry about the argument passed to this program, ie the part after the question mark. For example;