Greatness of Pinarello, are they truely that great?

I've heard so many things of Pinarello and read more. Are there none of you who have used, ridden or own a Dogma or Dogma K having feedback that contradict the greatness of this bike/ frame? Are they really that great? I am not interested in the Chinarellos, so please...

I've heard so many things of Pinarello and read more. Are there none of you who have used, ridden or own a Dogma or Dogma K having feedback that contradict the greatness of this bike/ frame? Are they really that great? I am not interested in the Chinarellos, so please...

Thank you
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According to my lbs, Pinarello frames are on the heavy side, but they ride very well.

I've heard so many things of Pinarello and read more. Are there none of you who have used, ridden or own a Dogma or Dogma K having feedback that contradict the greatness of this bike/ frame? Are they really that great? I am not interested in the Chinarellos, so please...

Thank you
/R

I'm curious, what have you heard of Pinarello? I read all sorts of magazines and online articles and after 3-4 years I basically know nothing of Pinarello other than the pricetag, the fact that they're a bit heavier than other expensive frames, and they have a kinda ugly fork. I don't think they're doing much of a good job marketing to the US as their brand means nothing to me, aside from being under the TdF winner of course. You being from EU can maybe fill us in on what we're supposed to know.

I'm curious, what have you heard of Pinarello? I read all sorts of magazines and online articles and after 3-4 years I basically know nothing of Pinarello other than the pricetag, the fact that they're a bit heavier than other expensive frames, and they have a kinda ugly fork. I don't think they're doing much of a good job marketing to the US as their brand means nothing to me, aside from being under the TdF winner of course. You being from EU can maybe fill us in on what we're supposed to know.

Well, without going in to technical, i have heard that they ride incredible. They are as you say, a bit heavy, but the ride quality and feel are very comfortable.
It seems that bikes get more heavy when they're made to damp and void vibrations (less muscle fatigue). Some might not care or say it's solved by using other tires, but i think there is more to it than tires. Now what i think ain't really interesting, so i was just putting out this question as i am seriously interested.

They are a very clever company. By focusing on stiffness, they can forgo all those R&D costs other companies sink into "light and stiff" layups. Then capitalize on the history of their name while having some Eastern Hemisphere sweat shops make the frames for cheap, add a few wavy things for style points, and sponsor some pro teams so any onlooker who doesn't know any better will think they are the cat's meow.