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while denver was terrible all over, i think doug mallory must have taken over before the game as defensive coordinator.
i don't think i have seen such a horrible defensive performance ever in the sb.
so many missed/blown tackles.
simply embarrassing to watch.

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Great performance by the Seahawks. I thought they were the better team so not surprised at the outcome, the margin did though. Denver picked a bad time to have their worst game of the year.

BTW, for the reasons stated above, don't think this reflects badly on Manning's career. They had a great year and beat the teams they were supposed to, Seahawks were better.

Except that the media will never let him live this down and yes I thought Seattle was the better team to begin with they play in a much tougher conference the only real competition Denver had besides NE probably would've been us. The AFC is a weak conference so Denver losing I expected not the margin though. I never understand why people think great offenses beat great defenses it doesn't happen.

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I wouldn't say it's over yet. I don't think we've seen the last of Peyton Manning.

Except I don't see Denver getting back to the SB I mean I didn't think Manning would ever get back to an SB or win another to be honest no NFL QB has ever won SB's with two different teams it wasn't going to happen tonight.

Seattle is the better team but the focus will be on how Manning failed not that Seattle deserved to win.

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Except I don't see Denver getting back to the SB I mean I didn't think Manning would ever get back to an SB or win another to be honest no NFL QB has ever won SB's with two different teams it wasn't going to happen tonight.

Seattle is the better team but the focus will be on how Manning failed not that Seattle deserved to win.

I don't know, I could see Denver going back next year, but that window is pretty small. The AFC is in flux right now. The old guard (Manning's Broncos and Brady's Patriots) are just that--old. Honestly the best young team on the rise is probably the Colts. Then you still have the two irritating AFC North teams with Super Bowl winning QBs, and solid coaching (Pittsburgh & Baltimore). Denver will walk into next season as the favorites to make it back, although like you, I rather doubt they actually do.

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Except that the media will never let him live this down and yes I thought Seattle was the better team to begin with they play in a much tougher conference the only real competition Denver had besides NE probably would've been us. The AFC is a weak conference so Denver losing I expected not the margin though. I never understand why people think great offenses beat great defenses it doesn't happen.

A comeback story that ends badly go figure.

Why should the media let him live it down? The only thing worse than Manning's performance was the Bronco's team performance.

Manning has arm strength issues, and questionable decision-making in big games. The Seahawks went right after him, hard, and he and the entire team folded.

Nuntius was right. I was wrong. Frank Vogel has retained his job.

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Ugh! Even though I hate USC he did set them back years with those violations and pretty much threw everyone under the bus and now he gets rewarded. Shows karma doesn't really exist.

Beyond that Seattle doesn't bother me although I can see why they would hate Richard Sherman etc.

But really this is just a wasted season for Manning. Seriously all that for nothing.

Yeah, I know, definitely a dick move by him to bail on them after he got them into that mess, but that's major college football for you. He's pretty charismatic and seems like he would be a good coach to play for, so I don't particularly mind him.

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Why should the media let him live it down? The only thing worse than Manning's performance was the Bronco's team performance.

Manning has arm strength issues, and questionable decision-making in big games. The Seahawks went right after him, hard, and he and the entire team folded.

I was referring to his career not necessarily this game yes he picked the worst time to play his worst game but the AFC is a weak conference they can get to the SB but they need to be built like an NFC team to win the whole thing.

Yes he's getting older it is interesting you think he has questionable decision making when just two weeks ago he played a great game against the Pats in the AFC title game apparently that wasn't a big one(yes I know not as big as the SB) but people pick and choose which games he's in that are great versus those that aren't. That's what bugs me I mean if you think he sucks or isn't the GOAT just say so. I'm annoyed when they talk about how he has to win (insert big game) in order to validate his career because apparently the past 16 years weren't enough apparently. But come next season they will continue this lame narrative.

I do think Pete Carroll is a good coach I don't like or really respect the guy. I mean if Seattle won back in SB 40(like they probably should've) I would've been far happier for them.

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I don't see how Manning getting to the Super Bowl and having the statistically best season of his career means Irsay is vindicated with anything, speaking as someone who supports the new direction.

Are people really saying Peyton not winning a Super Bowl here makes the season a failure? I'm sorry but that's ridiculous. Yes it's a gut wrenching ending but it doesn't negate the wins the Broncos had this season, including the Playoffs. Had they lost to San Diego or New England perhaps, but like I said, there's no shame in losing to a better team. Now the performance they put out from top to bottom was a shameful but it does happen in one game playoff situations.

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I don't see how Manning getting to the Super Bowl and having the statistically best season of his career means Irsay is vindicated with anything, speaking as someone who supports the new direction.

Are people really saying Peyton not winning a Super Bowl here makes the season a failure? I'm sorry but that's ridiculous. Yes it's a gut wrenching ending but it doesn't negate the wins the Broncos had this season, including the Playoffs. Had they lost to San Diego or New England perhaps, but like I said, there's no shame in losing to a better team. Now the performance they put out from top to bottom was a shameful but it does happen in one game playoff situations.

The goal is to win an SB all those records are worthless if you aren't hoisting the Lombardi so yes it does justify Irsay's decision. Of course even if the Broncos won it was still the right decision I just hate Irsay's revisionist history on the whole thing you dumped Manning because you didn't think you would get another SB out of him and he wasn't worth the price. Don't tell me you let him go as a favor to him that's just garbage. Owners are out for themselves(rightfully so) anything else is lipservice.

Unfortunately though it will be less about how Seattle deserved to win and more about how Manning failed which is rather unfair to Seattle.

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Yes he's getting older it is interesting you think he has questionable decision making when just two weeks ago he played a great game against the Pats in the AFC title game apparently that wasn't a big one(yes I know not as big as the SB) but people pick and choose which games he's in that are great versus those that aren't.

It's not every big game, it's just too many of them that it happens.

If enough people tell someone that they have a tail eventually a person needs to quit denying it and instead turn around and take a look.

Nuntius was right. I was wrong. Frank Vogel has retained his job.

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He's not perfect obviously but you need to be a complete team to win an SB and while Denver can put on an offensive show Seattle is a far more complete team in comparison at least based on today's game. Denver reminded me of the past Manning teams here live and die by the QB unfortunately Manning picked the worst time to have his worst game.

The real SB was the NFC title game.

If anything I think whoever won the AFC was going to end up getting owned by the NFC representative anyways.

It just bothers me that despite winning an SB he's going to be considered a choker and his career is worthless for only having one SB ring when there are many QBs who don't even have one and just yesterday he was going to be the GOAT. Its the overreaction that I don't get I mean if you don't think he's great that's fine I mean we all have our opinions.