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I honestly wasn't all that impressed with this episode. I like Rose but the scientist (Doobin?) I found to be annoying. Also if Frost and her husband were going behind the counsel's back when they broke into the warehouse with the atomic bombs, how did they get in? It was such a big deal that Stark never had a spy in the facility and how Peggy had to steal the key, but her and the mob goons just waltzed in?

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I honestly wasn't all that impressed with this episode. I like Rose but the scientist (Doobin?) I found to be annoying. Also if Frost and her husband were going behind the counsel's back when they broke into the warehouse with the atomic bombs, how did they get in? It was such a big deal that Stark never had a spy in the facility and how Peggy had to steal the key, but her and the mob goons just waltzed in?

Good point about how Frost/Chadwick got in. I missed that. Maybe Chadwick had access because he is buddies with Hugh Jones...but that is kind of a stretch

Oh, and FYI the Scientist is Samberly...Doobin was in charge of the lab in NY SSR office.

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This was my favorite episode so far this season. I loved the humor. Marvel is really great at mixing comedy with adventure/sci-fi and I think this episode was a prime example. Super-heroes/spies certainly have plenty of reasons to be moody and depressed (and I love a moody and depressed character), but when you add in a dose of comic relief it manages to lighten the air while simultaneously making the bitter moments that much more poignant.

It also raised some interesting questions (interesting to me, anyway)...like what is the nature of Zero Matter/Darkforce? How does Frost have connections in the mob underworld? Are these connections leading to bigger plot points regarding Frost (as I may guess from what I know of the comics)?

I am also loving the character development. Last season most of the character development was with Peggy and Dottie. Some characters developed, but it was mainly during the course of one episode (Howard in 108 and a little in 104, Jarvis in 103, Thompson and Dooley in 105 and 107). There were some little nuggets of character development, I guess, but I didn't think many of the characters had much of a season-long arc. This season, we see so much evolution in Jarvis, Rose, Frost, Chadwick, Sousa. I really prefer character-driven drama over action-driven drama, so I am loving how interesting these characters are becoming.

Rose is quickly becoming a favorite for me...flirty and sassy and kick-ass all at the same time. I love it! She was cracking me up throughout the episode, but then all of a sudden she would take out 2 armed thugs! Fantastic!

I also really like how this rivalry between Frost and Peggy is shaping up. Last season Dottie was interesting and kind of heartbreaking, but the two were really very evenly matched. Now Peggy has real competition...muscles and brains are not enough to fight super powers. Someone pointed out in an article I read this week that Peggy and Frost have really not had much shared screen time, and yet you can really feel this intense rivalry brewing between them. I find this very true...the tension is building...we are preparing for an epic battle...a tidal wave is coming. The fact that we are able to see the two story lines running parallel to each other to ultimately intersect is just getting me even more excited about what is coming.

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I just wanted to throw out some thoughts on Whitney Frost...

Whitney believes that she is doing the right thing. She tells Chadwick that if they had worldwide power they could make the world better...no more war or fear. I don't think she was just blowing smoke. I really think she believes this. After her whole life being crushed under the foot of mom, a society that refuses to recognize her intellectual abilities, various guys who saw value only in her body (a mother who reinforced that notion). Now she has an opportunity to strike a blow for the little guy...even if she has to do it by force. I think these are the most interesting villains...the ones who think they are really good guys. I have long had the theory that there are really only 2 main types of villains: 1--the ones who want to do evil for the sake of evil (I include those acting out of spite or seeking vengeance in this category--Scar from Lion King, etc.). 2--the ones who do evil but believe it is justified because of the good they hope it will accomplish (or they don't even believe it is evil at all--Judge Frollo from Hunchback of Notre Dame). The second type is the scariest to me.

It also occurred to me how totally bizarre all this must be to the folks at the SSR. Frost is really the first person they have encountered with super powers. I guess maybe you could say Cap had powers, but they were pretty normal in comparison--super strength, speed, etc. And Red Skull was disfigured, but his powers were the same as Cap. Fenhoff didn't have powers, just skill. Now we have something really unearthly and it is the first time Peggy or Sousa has ever seen something beyond explanation.

How much control does Frost have over the Zero Matter inside her? Both she and Wilkes have commented that the ZM is telling them to do things/calling to them. ZM seems to be sentient to an extent. It seems to want to be whole. Or maybe it wants to expand into a new dimension. So Will Frost lose control of it? Is she in control now? Who is calling the shots?

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Favorite Moments

Jarvis freaking out at the thought of running into spiders. A man after my own heart!

Howard has a Woody. I bet he does.

"I could have shot...Howard".

The Memory Inhibitor scene could have lasted all hour. I am hoping to see comedic repercussions for Jones (slight possibility of brain damage)

Oh, Mr. Jones...you arrogant plonker

Badass Rose!!!!!

Flirty Rose..."That pie was you? Your pie was in me?"

Samberly can't be in Arena's pocket because "everyone hates Samberly"

Samberly pretending to be Rose's husband...reminded me of Fitz/Skye "ship" in T.R.A.C.K.S

Butler's orders!!

Heartbreaks

Peggy hasn't had a vacation since Pearl Harbor. Not even after Steve died??

Peggy getting impaled. Traumatic!!

Poor Violet...I feel so bad for her.

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I wasn't home to watch the new episode on Tuesday night, so I had to wait an extra day to buy it off of iTunes and watch it that way. I thought it was great. My favorite episode of the season so far, and one of my favorite episodes overall. Huge improvement over last week. There were a lot of funny moments. I especially liked the scene when Peggy had to deal with the Roxxon president and use the memory device on him. I also liked the scene when the group of five SSR agents walked out of the building and down the road with old-time music playing. It was great to see Rose kick some butt. Peggy getting speared... ouch. I've seen that one too many times playing Tomb Raider. I assumed Sousa still has feelings for Peggy, and now his fiancee senses it too. I figured they would delve into that more. It was a very enjoyable episode, and I loved the heavy amount of comedy in it. I wouldn't want every episode to be like that, but it's nice to have once in awhile.

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This episode was better than the others but still not excellent. I liked the way Rose turned out to be fighter. Jarvis reaction to having to diffuse the bombs was priceless. That's about it for what I liked. The rest of the episode was just stupid. the memory blocker was dumb. If you are going to block someone's memory it needs to be for longer than 2 minutes. The fact that Peggy could get up and go home after being impaled was unbelievable. There is no way she should have been able to do that. She can't heal quickly, after all. Can't wait for the two hour season finale (?) and the return of Dottie. Until then adios.

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This episode was better than the others but still not excellent. I liked the way Rose turned out to be fighter. Jarvis reaction to having to diffuse the bombs was priceless. That's about it for what I liked. The rest of the episode was just stupid. the memory blocker was dumb. If you are going to block someone's memory it needs to be for longer than 2 minutes. The fact that Peggy could get up and go home after being impaled was unbelievable. There is no way she should have been able to do that. She can't heal quickly, after all. Can't wait for the two hour season finale (?) and the return of Dottie. Until then adios.

Just FYI...next weeks ep is not the finale (on the 16th). They are just doing 2 hours to make up for the late start of the season. The following week (the 23rd) is also 2 hours, I believe. The week after that (the 1st) should be the finale if my math is right.

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Okay, I'm late, like suuuuuuper late, but I just watched this ep and it was a lot of fun. Heaps of humour, which was good, and then abruptly and extremely disturbing when Peggy got impaled.

Rose was amazing all the way through, btw. I always liked Rose.

The impalement was a really powerful scene, except I was super sure she was dead, because her head was on cinderblocks. And then I spent ages mulling over a possible scenario in which she smacked her head on cinder blocks and somehow didn't die. The healing of the impalement was also extremely rapid, which felt kind of disappointing. I totally like Violet (and respect her waaaayyyyy too good intuition of who her semi-fiance may or may not be in love with) but seriously? You can't say with absolute confidence that it "didn't hit anything major" unless you get a good look in there. And it's really hard to get a good look inside a wound in a short time, with no painkillers, or restraints, and without even removing the patient's clothes. Like, come on. Also, did she sew up whatever was bleeding in there?? And how was Peggy so totally fine? I know she's the most badass, but that kind of pain makes you pass out and throw up and be totally unable of rational thought or speech. Plus she keeps trying to move around a lot, which is silly.

Apart from wishing there was more of a bloody gory "fixing wounds without any wound fixing tools and also it's the forties lol you're gonna get septicaemia" scene (which, let's face it, I might not have enjoyed that much but at least it would have satisfied my craving for painful realism) I really enjoyed the episode, and thought it set up the coming stuff pretty nicely. So, glad I finally got around to watching it!

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"at least it would have satisfied my craving for painful realism" in a show with superheroes & villains? LOL

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