this fight. we have governor suzannia martinez in new mexico. brian sandoval, governorinnevada. theseare people that are leaders in our party right now, right now. so they connect with what our beliefs are. they generally connect with our what our beliefs are but this issue of immigration, i believe, in the last eight to ten years has become third level politics in our party where you don't want to talk about it. candidates, when mitt romney got asked in the debates about immigration, it was like very awkward. he was like what do i do with my hands. we got to talk about it. that's what marco rubio leads the charge on. every time he talks about anything, he talks about immigration and that is what our party needs to talk about. can't be issues we avoid. >> we're going to go to the audience here. a couple ground rules. i ask you wait for a microphone to come around. and that you state your question in the form of a question. so we have a question right here and go there next. >> hi, i'm from the cato institute. there seems to be some disagroment on the panel about whether guest