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What the hell are you talking about? I'm talking about a customer getting all of the channels they pay for, and you are making veiled nonsensical references.

The only channels they're actually "paying" for is mun2, UniMas West, the SD feeds of HBO Latino and TWC Deportes and some extra Sonic Tap channels. Up until 2 years ago mun2 was a Spanish package only station, UniMas was Spanish package only until a year ago and the vast majority of their target audience gets it in their locals anyway, HBO Latino is mostly a Spanish simulcast of HBO that can be heard via the SAP feed on the main HBO channels, and both HBO Latino and TWC Deportes have HD feeds that are available with a slimline 3.

Everything else is the FREE P/I channels that the FCC requires satellite providers to have at every slot, even if DirecTV were to move mun2, UniMas West and the extra Sonic Tap channels to 101, 99 or 103 DirecTV would still be required to carry the free P/I channels on 119 unless they stop transmitting programming from the slot entirely. 99 and 103 have their share of P/I channels too (which MPEG2 only subscribers can't get) along with the World Direct 95 slot that requires a seperate dish. Should DirecTV make MPEG4 equipment along with a World Direct dish standard for everyone so they get those free P/I channels too?

All of this, including the P/I channels that require MPEG4 equipment or a World Direct dish is indicated on the channel lineup people are given after an install. It isn't in fine print either, it's right there on the bottom in easy to read text naming the channels with a number to call to upgrade your system if you want them.

It isn't limited to DirecTV either, Dish has their own set of P/I channels on 118 that are not available unless you have a setup for their international packages. Heck when Dish first debuted the eastern arc subscribers who had the at the time standard setup where you used 61 instead of 129 because of line of site issues were missing out on channels when instead of mirroring 129 to 61 they starting putting some of the 129 channels on 72. At the time they were only offering the eastern arc setup to new subscribers in select markets, existing subscribers had to either do it themselves or pay to get their system converted to eastern arc.

I had to request the smaller dish because of a tree. Who is not getting what they should?

If your locals aren't on 119 and you don't get Spanish programming, you are given a SL3. It's never mentioned that some of the channels in the list aren't there. The channels aren't very popular and are asterisked online, but few notice or care. There are people who probably WOULD watch JLTV if they knew they could, but few investigate further. I find the way the channels are listed online to be VERY hard to read. I got a SL5 when I realized there are SV locals I could get with the SL5 since Roanoke, VA locals are SV in some NC counties. My neighbors hooked onto it to get the Spanish packages. Another neighbor is hooking on soon. I have the Directv Deportes pack, now, since I can. It's a good deal, but there's no reason for Fox Deportes to not be in HD.

I was one of those Dish customers with the wing dish, getting ripped off because dish decided to put their HD additions on the 72.5, well guess what us wing dish customers didn't have access to 72.5 or 77 and dish was dropping a $100 bomb on us in order to upgrade to eastern arc.
We are talking about main stream channels, not the crap that's on Directv 119 with no ratings even worth posting .

If your locals aren't on 119 and you don't get Spanish programming, you are given a SL3. It's never mentioned that some of the channels in the list aren't there.

My experience was the opposite. I had to request the SL3. And even if that has changed, they are noted on the webpage. What are they supposed to do, jump in your face and say "you know you won't get MHz?

This is a whole bunch of nothing. And has little to do with what the OP was asking about. Instead of trying to help, some bashers decided to use this to bash. It is called a thread hijack.

My experience was the opposite. I had to request the SL3. And even if that has changed, they are noted on the webpage. What are they supposed to do, jump in your face and say "you know you won't get MHz?

This is a whole bunch of nothing. And has little to do with what the OP was asking about. Instead of trying to help, some bashers decided to use this to bash. It is called a thread hijack.

Well you don't get MHz with the 119...

No, they shouldn't put things in packages where most of the subscribers won't see it. I don't understand why that's such a hard concept. It is relevant because with such a variance in channels, not seeing a lot of channels could be caused by a lack of seeing a satellite. It is then logical to discuss programming in packages that is not seen with missing satellites.

No, they shouldn't put things in packages where most of the subscribers won't see it. I don't understand why that's such a hard concept. It is relevant because with such a variance in channels, not seeing a lot of channels could be caused by a lack of seeing a satellite. It is then logical to discuss programming in packages that is not seen with missing satellites.