2010-01-06 Meetup

[21:01 GMT] <photomatt> <meetup>
[21:01 GMT] <Nerieru> btw
[21:01 GMT] <photomatt> did everyone have a good 2010?
[21:01 GMT] <Nerieru> is there anyplace to get bbpress themes?
[21:01 GMT] <Nerieru> matt
[21:01 GMT] <Nightgunner5> photomatt: It’s not over yet
[21:01 GMT] <Nerieru> 2010 is just starting..
[21:01 GMT] <photomatt> ringing it in, I mean
[21:02 GMT] <michael-r> Photomatt: Awesome (so far, Matt)! Have had an absolute blast! New Years was great
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[21:02 GMT] <michael-r> And you?
[21:03 GMT] <photomatt> pretty good — went to dinner and then a jackie green concert
[21:03 GMT] <photomatt> kind of bluesy, kind of country
[21:03 GMT] <Nerieru> damn that _ck_ guy is doing his best for bbp
[21:03 GMT] <PeteMall> photomatt: dinner at straits for me
[21:03 GMT] <michael-r> nice so let’s get started
[21:03 GMT] <photomatt> in terms of things to talk about, since last meeting
[21:03 GMT] <Nerieru> matt I seriously just read you went to a jackie chan concert..
[21:03 GMT] <michael-r> Nerieru: _ck_ is a girl, and she’s left… unfortunately
[21:03 GMT] <jjj> nerieru, _ck_ is … Yeah
[21:04 GMT] <photomatt> we have email notifications live on bbpress.org and in trunk
[21:04 GMT] <Nerieru> why has she left?
[21:04 GMT] <photomatt> anyone here using it yet on their forums?
[21:04 GMT] <michael-r> photomatt: not yet – don’t have access to my FTP (haven’t all year). Will try it soon, though.
[21:05 GMT] <Nerieru> matt email notifications for what?
[21:05 GMT] <photomatt> new replies to threads
[21:05 GMT] <Nerieru> jjj: any idea as to why she left?
[21:05 GMT] <photomatt> Nerieru: this is a weekly meetup we have — happy to answer your questions afterward
[21:05 GMT] <Nerieru> like subscribing?
[21:05 GMT] <photomatt> since they seem a bit more basic
[21:05 GMT] <Nightgunner5> photomatt: The only trunk forum I’m running is on my local computer, and my ISP blocks port 25.
[21:05 GMT] <Nerieru> oh yeah it’s wednesday
[21:05 GMT] <michael-r> Are there any bugs (other than the one mentioned in the forums)?
[21:05 GMT] <Nerieru> and matt, I subscribed to the dev-list so I intended to see this meet
[21:05 GMT] <photomatt> no, 100% of my code is 100% bug free
[21:06 GMT] <Nightgunner5> photomatt: It sent me an email about a spam post.
[21:06 GMT] <Nerieru> so I’ll just shut up
[21:06 GMT] <Nerieru> till you’re done
[21:06 GMT] <Nerieru> (unless I have something good to add)
[21:06 GMT] <filosofo> photomatt, I’ll get the non-logged in post patch up some time in the next week. Been too busy with holiday visiting the last couple weeks.
[21:06 GMT] <michael-r> Well, not bugs – more like deficiencies. I take it all works perfectly?
[21:07 GMT] <jjj> photomatt, I’m pretty sure you’re listed as the head of bug creation somewhere…
[21:07 GMT] <photomatt> on bbpress.org looks like we only have about 40 subscriptions so far
[21:07 GMT] <photomatt> Nightgunner5: yep saw that
[21:07 GMT] <michael-r> photomatt: I have an idea for email subscribtion> Maybe it’s already been thought up, but shouldn’t there be a customizable template for it in the Admin panel?
[21:07 GMT] <photomatt> filosofo: no worries! I’m looking forward to it
[21:08 GMT] <jjj> michael-r, if we go that route, it still needs to be translatable.
[21:08 GMT] <jjj> So that’s hard to do correctly.
[21:08 GMT] <photomatt> filosofo: what’s the easiest way to send it over for you?
[21:08 GMT] <michael-r> jjj: I see.
[21:09 GMT] <filosofo> photomatt, send what?
[21:10 GMT] <photomatt> the patch
[21:10 GMT] <filosofo> Put it on trac?
[21:10 GMT] <michael-r> photomatt: I see we’re missing some important people here. I might be wrong, but I haven’t been round since the first meetup. What else needs to be discussed?
[21:11 GMT] <matveb> email notifications is done
[21:11 GMT] <matveb> what about trac ticket: https://trac.bbpress.org/ticket/1233
[21:12 GMT] <photomatt> let me take a look
[21:12 GMT] <PeteMall> ahh
[21:13 GMT] <PeteMall> that needs to be caught?
[21:13 GMT] <photomatt> matveb: bug, should be easy fix
[21:13 GMT] <michael-r> Yeah, it should check with Akismet first right?
[21:13 GMT] <matveb> photomatt: perfect
[21:13 GMT] • Nightgunner5 is working on a patch
[21:13 GMT] <matveb> on another topic, I was supposed to bring something to show about my commitment to designing a new “features” section
[21:14 GMT] <matveb> as per last meetup
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[21:14 GMT] <photomatt> Nightgunner5: nice!
[21:15 GMT] <photomatt> any other bugs people would like to raise attention on?
[21:15 GMT] <michael-r> photomatt: Another thing: Is there any progress with the new theme for bbPress.org?
[21:15 GMT] <Nightgunner5> The sprintf in the post notification function has an unused variable
[21:16 GMT] <PeteMall> michael-r: that’ll come after the wp.org theme
[21:16 GMT] <Nightgunner5> __( “%2\$s wrote:\n\n %3\$s\n\nTopic Link: %4\$s\n\nYou’re getting this mail because you subscribed to the topic, visit the topic and login to unsubscribe.” ) – No %%1?
[21:16 GMT] <michael-r> PeteMall: I see – any news on that front?
[21:17 GMT] <matveb> photomatt: here is the mock up for the features page you asked me to tackle http://bit.ly/8Vfecq
[21:17 GMT] <PeteMall> thats a good start
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[21:18 GMT] <michael-r> matveb: Very nice Now, is that going to be the new bbPress.org theme?
[21:19 GMT] <michael-r> Or something like it?
[21:19 GMT] <photomatt> matveb: love it!
[21:19 GMT] <matveb> thanks
[21:20 GMT] <Nightgunner5> https://trac.bbpress.org/attachment/ticket/1233/1233.patch
[21:20 GMT] <matveb> following the lead of http://en.wordpress.com/features/
[21:21 GMT] <photomatt> matveb: should I just view source and grab that onto bbpress.org?
[21:21 GMT] <michael-r> matveb: I see.
[21:21 GMT] <matveb> photomatt: of course
[21:22 GMT] <Nightgunner5> The home link goes to wordpress.org
[21:22 GMT] <michael-r> Nightgunner5: Not a full tempate, yet.
[21:22 GMT] <matveb> Nightgunner5: my bad
[21:23 GMT] <photomatt> also on my todo is the meetup log from last week, and the email testing announcement
[21:23 GMT] <photomatt> would be great to get more people trying out that feature
[21:23 GMT] <michael-r> photomatt: maybe a post on the blog?
[21:23 GMT] <PeteMall> photomatt: I can post the logs on bbPress.org
[21:25 GMT] <Nightgunner5> http://bbpress.pastebin.com/f32456b03 <- logs from before Matt came in
[21:28 GMT] <photomatt> danke
[21:29 GMT] <michael-r> photomatt: Got a question. What plugins (that currently exist) would become a part of the core, once v2 is out?
[21:29 GMT] <Nightgunner5> Subscribe to Topic, obviously
[21:29 GMT] <windhamdavid> Schoen
[21:30 GMT] <michael-r> Signatures? Attachments?
[21:30 GMT] <quicoto> michael-r: agree
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[21:31 GMT] <PeteMall> michael-r: not decided yet
[21:31 GMT] <michael-r> Okay.
[21:32 GMT] <photomatt> for me the big ones for 1.1 are anon posting and email posting
[21:32 GMT] <photomatt> email posting needs probably 5 more hours of polish
[21:33 GMT] <matveb> photomatt: another question. What was the reasoning behind not loading functions.bb-statistics.php when loading bbPress functions in bb-settings.php?
[21:33 GMT] <Nightgunner5> matveb: It’s not needed for most pages
[21:33 GMT] <michael-r> photomatt: I see – nice.
[21:33 GMT] <photomatt> filosofo said anon posting is hopefully dropping this week
[21:33 GMT] <photomatt> matveb: yes wanted to create a new way of loading things but avoid the mistake we did on WP
[21:34 GMT] <photomatt> where everything is loaded with every page
[21:34 GMT] <photomatt> I did it throug a query string because want to set us up for the future when we may be a core plugin for WP
[21:34 GMT] <photomatt> right now we address a lot of static files in the root
[21:34 GMT] <photomatt> all of those should just be query strings and located in bb-includes
[21:34 GMT] <photomatt> that’s also why I put subscriptions in the taxonomy table instead of a new table
[21:34 GMT] <matveb> I see, but it leads users to believe those functions do not exist, and even to try replicating them, as shown here https://bbpress.org/forums/topic/how-to-show-total-registerd-users-in-forum-2
[21:34 GMT] <photomatt> and avoided the backpress-specific user_id field
[21:35 GMT] <photomatt> it allows perfect portability to WP
[21:36 GMT] <michael-r> matveb: Showing off my useless code here… I see what you mean though…
[21:36 GMT] <dimadin> hey guys, on irclogs I don’t see that you discussed this
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[21:36 GMT] <matveb> michael-r: no worries
[21:36 GMT] <dimadin> are there any plans for feature to split/merge topics?
[21:36 GMT] <dimadin> i thinks this is most important missing part from bbpress
[21:37 GMT] <dimadin> more important that anon posting
[21:37 GMT] <michael-r> dimadin: I don’t think so at all – but that’s up to Matt.
[21:38 GMT] <dimadin> i had many problems with users posting in wrong topics and i couldn’t delete those posts and of course couldn’t move them
[21:39 GMT] <photomatt> matveb: that’s a good point, I guess what I’m trying to replace is less the includes
[21:39 GMT] <photomatt> and more the files like
[21:40 GMT] <photomatt> bb-edit.php, bb-post.php, bb-reset-password.php
[21:40 GMT] <photomatt> basically all the files in the root directory
[21:40 GMT] <photomatt> I’d love if there was just a config and an index.php
[21:40 GMT] <matveb> yes, that would be nice
[21:40 GMT] <Nightgunner5> The main problem with moving, merging, etc. posts is (as far as I know) that some plugins rely on posts staying in the same topic.
[21:40 GMT] <Nightgunner5> photomatt: We still need bb-load.php!
[21:41 GMT] <michael-r> photomatt: agreed. More template and plugin communication.
[21:41 GMT] <photomatt> I’m super sorry guys but I have to run early today — about to catch a flight
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[21:41 GMT] <photomatt> before next meeting I will 1) post both logs 2) go through any trac tickets and patches for email posting
[21:41 GMT] <michael-r> Nightgunner5: Yeah – thought so too. They can’t keep track of what happens to them…
[21:41 GMT] <dimadin> matt, could you just write a quick reply on my question?
[21:41 GMT] <photomatt> if things go really well I’ll get email notifications running on some bigger forums so we can see performance/etc data on something more active
[21:42 GMT] <matveb> photomatt: if you need anything else from the mock up –images or whatever– just tell me
[21:42 GMT] <photomatt> dimadin: it’s not on the roadmap right now, but if you think it’s important could you start a trac ticket with a spec for it?
[21:42 GMT] <photomatt> go ahead and put it on the 1.1 milestone
[21:42 GMT] <photomatt> matveb: thank you
[21:43 GMT] <michael-r> Would be interesting to see how tha turns out. It is quite useful.
[21:43 GMT] <dimadin> i think there is some ticket years old
[21:43 GMT] <photomatt> dimadin: sure, on WP too
[21:43 GMT] <PeteMall> photomatt: u gonna post the logs or want met to?
[21:44 GMT] <photomatt> PeteMall: if you could that would be a big help
[21:44 GMT] <photomatt> earliest I could do it is tomorrow anyway because I’ll be in the air
[21:44 GMT] <dimadin> matt: i meant for this feature
[21:45 GMT] <photomatt> dimadin: oh gotcha! how about if next week we do a trac sweep for the meetup
[21:45 GMT] <photomatt> set priorities and roadmap on things
[21:45 GMT] <michael-r> photomatt: sounds like an idea.
[21:45 GMT] <photomatt> so that way if there’s something fairly obvious like that we can make sure we tackle it for 1.1
[21:45 GMT] <matveb> that should be good
[21:45 GMT] <PeteMall> I’ll set an agenda and look thru trac for next week
[21:45 GMT] <photomatt> which is meant to be a feature release
[21:46 GMT] <michael-r> If anything, I’m learning from all this.
[21:47 GMT] <photomatt> michael-r: me too
[21:47 GMT] <photomatt> alrighty, see everyone next week
[21:47 GMT] <PeteMall> </meetup>

Right now, I’m not even sure if site owners using bbPress are aware of this poll.

Putting the poll on the homepage will let more users decide.

In fact, post this somewhere on the wordpress.org forums as well; if this is going to become a canonical plugin, their voice needs to be heard.

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I’m a fan of the third-most popular feature on the poll and that would be a WYSIWYG editor.

A forum poster should be able to express themselves freely without any barriers to entry.

Most users, by default, will not know HTML. To me, it’s like removing the WYSIWYG editor from the WP admin post area and telling a WP / HTML novice to make a post complete with images, links and blockquotes.

It looks like bbPress is taking a more evolutionary, rather than revolutionary approach to development. I’d be more inclined to write a plugin for WordPress, then write a converter from the old system to the new one so all the posts etc. could be easily transported over rather than work on the existing system.