Why don't the mariners just station one Vice Admiral in each of the blues and fuck up all the would be pirates? Seriously put an outpost right at reverse mountain in East Blue. Boom no more pirates coming outta there.

>>115339252
What about pirates that start in the Grand Line, or pirates that aren't out to find One Piece? Luffy and the Supernovas are the only pirates we know traveling to Raftel: EVERYBODY else has a different goal and background. Putting a Vice Admiral at Reverse Mountain, where there's only one citizen who would likely be arrested if he were found, would be a big waste.

True. Though Luffy and the SN's aren't the ONLY pirates we know that want the One Piece. They are just the ones that actually have a chance at making it. A lot of pleb tier pirates like Don Kreig and possibly Arlong (muh sea charts world domination) expressed interest in being pirate king. Dofla want to be PK also. Or if there a difference in finding OP / being PK? Say for example a pirate was far and away the most powerful and could fuck up the other Yonkou's. Would he automatically be Pirate King or does the title have to come from reaching Raftel first? I still thinking putting a Vice in each blue would be more useful than having them all at marine head quarters / the grand line. There are a lot of pirates not coming from the blue's true, but a lot of the top super nova (Luffy, Law, Kid) etc would have all been snuffed out before being able to reach their potential. Like imagine they kill/vacate Crocus and put somebody right there where he lives. He would fuck niggas up.

>>115339040
The secret? No. He's probably just gonna say something about why Doffy hates Ds. We won't learn anything special about Ds for a while though, maybe when Law talks to Luffy after the fight is over.

Yeah, I think Oda kind of covered this idea with Smoker and loguetown. With his abilities he might as well be a VA or better than one without a logia to the pleb tier pirates. Remember not a single pirate had escaped under his watch. Smart on the WG's part. Hopefully they put someone else there equally as threatening because Smoker can't be doing anything more important right now as VA.

Yeah, they would just have to be smart about it. Assuming mid tier VA > Rob Lucci, if they put him at a key choke hold (reverse mountain, loguetown, whatever the equivalent in the other blues) the pirates would be FUCKED. Imagine a VA with Rokushiki just Rankyaku'ing every boat in half as it comes down Reverse Mountain. Though, I guess we would have no story if that were the case.

>Reminder that Law singlehandedly ruined One Piece>Reminder that if you like Law you are literally the equivalent of a 17 year old edgy metalhead>Reminder that it's only downhill from there and the focus will never again be on the crew

>>115339771
Everyone stated that White Beard's power rivaled Rodgers and that he towered above the other three Yonkos (even Shanks) so I doubt it's just about being the strongest. Obviously there's something else to being King of the Pirates than just strength.

>>115339911
But that's wrong. Smoker while having a good fruit for sure, didn't even know how to use Haki in the slightest. Why would you want a guy like that guarding Reverse Mountain? It's a pretty big deal considering all 4 seas have to go through RM just to reach the Grand Line, and not every supernova is gonna come from the Grand Line itself.

>>115340660
He's the strongest admiral entirely because of his devil fruit. He's able to travel at the speed of light (at least for short distances), has tons of AoE moves, would be untouchable in a 1v1 fight, and can use his attacks from insane distances. Other than his laziness, there is no reason he should ever lose a fight. He doesn't even have Enel's rubber weakness, and his fruit is more versatile with just as much destructive power.

>>115340607
They never once state that Rodgers was a Yonko, and even though Shikki and Byrndi World are creations of Oda I'm not sure if they're actually canon or not since they were made for the anime.

It's like how Toriyama did some character designs for some of the DBZ movies and for GT but that doesn't make any of those canon.

No. It won't be revealed in a flashback like that because we won't get to see the crew's reactions to it that way. It won't happen until the Straw Hats infiltrate the Reverie with the help of their new crew member Firefox Kinemon.

Yeah I wouldn't put Smoker in charge of guarding Reverse Mountain, I would want someone with Rokushiki and Haki. For Loguetown though, Smoker was pretty much as effective as a VA would be. With no pirates able to hit his smoke form there was really nothing they could do against him. He took out Buggy/Alvida and then Luffy in a matter of pages. Luffy was absolutely fucked against him in a matter or seconds. Sanji put up a better fight against Dofla. And you aren't really going to get too many if any pirates who are more of a threat than Luffy coming through East Blue.

>>115340654
Not even close. Having CoO and CoA is far more useful than a stupid stick.

>>115340673
Haki works against other people too you know? What would Smoker have done against someone who knew Haki while he didn't? Oh yeah, he'd end up like Caribou. Some guardian of Reverse Mountain he turned out to be.

He def was a Yonkou / strong enough to be one. Remember he used to fight against Roger/WB and Garp and Sengoku decided to go against him 2 vs. 1. Garp could have probably taken him, but the fact that he decided to not fight alone says something. You're right though that Luffy should never have been able to beat him at that point. I'm pretty sure that Shiki is canon, but Luffy beating him in the way he did in Strong World isn't. There's no place it could fit into the timeline. I think the events happened with Shiki's plan and all that but it was one of the admirals that actually took him out.

Everyone from East Blue. All the blue's filter into Reverse Mountain right? Kill/ get rid of crocus and station the VA in a hut on that ledge where they chilled with him and Laboon. Get them right as they enter the grand line.

>>115340275>mid tier VA > Rob Lucci
Fuck no, VAs are a dozen a dime. Lucci was Cipher Pol, they're like the Secret Service. He's equal to mid-tiers at the very least. Probably stronger than them though

>pirates entering the Grand Line for the first time from the blue's knowing Haki

Luffy was a once in a generation tier threat entering the grand line having a higher bounty than anyone else in East Blue and he's not close to having Haki then. I doubt any other rookies from the other blue's would either. The only thing that would fuck him is veteran pirates like Shanks going back and re-entering, though to be fair a VA would be equally useless against someone like him. Seriously, not that many characters know haki when you're not referring to the New World at least.

>>115340497>TFW you liked law as just another supernova who just looked fun, but didn't take up story
I mean it's cool that he's showing up again, but fuck did he steal the show. This all just seems like a new crew member arc, but he's a captian.

>>115341435
Oh shit Loguetown was only for East Blue? Shit why didn't I realize that yeah that makes sense.

I don't think they can get away with killing Crocus though. They might not know it, but fucking with the Pirate King's crew would have been costly and we already know Rayleigh was hot shit, probably hotter than WB was at Marineford.

>>115341631>implying Kizaru isn't the wonder of the universe and the true end boss
You can literally put infinite amounts of energy into a single light beam and light can't be burnt or frozen, only absorbed or relfected. Though not by BB because his devil fruit's power is not even remotely close to a real black hole.

>>115341814
It does in theory, but the dark dark fruit is very limited in its application. It's black hole ability only works on the ground, the vortex move that cancels out incoming attacks relies on the user being able to react to them fast enough (and might not work with rapidfire attacks), and his ability to cancel out logia's intangibility requires physical contact. Even if you assume BB improved a lot over the last two years and that he has the tremor tremor fruit as well, it's still fucking not enough.

No pika pika user should ever get caught by bullshit tricks like those.

Yeah, and if they did kill Crocus/Laboon they would be fucked once Pirate King Luffy arrives from circling the globe to re-pay he promise to Laboon. Though, who knows if the WG will still be in place by then. I wonder how strong Crocus is anyway. He seemed pretty badass killing the squid and tanking those cannon balls for Laboon. A VA might get fucked picking a fight with him.

>>115341823
VA dying means nothing, look at Mihawk. That was some fucked up shit. I know some people say the new Mihawk VA works, but I always thought the old one paired off well with Shanks who's Char. Having the new guy's voice with such a giant ass age disparity with Shanks makes the rivalry and relationship between the two fizzle.

And I call your bullshit. Crocus may live longer than even Rayleigh, Scopper, Seagull, Shanks, etc, but he sure as hell can't outlive the immortal Buggy.

>>115342126
Crocus was weak shit that was in trouble from Vivi and Mr.....I forgot.

>>115340788>He's the strongest admiral entirely because of his devil fruit. He's able to travel at the speed of light (at least for short distances), has tons of AoE moves, would be untouchable in a 1v1 fight, and can use his attacks from insane distances. Other than his laziness, there is no reason he should ever lose a fight. He doesn't even have Enel's rubber weakness, and his fruit is more versatile with just as much destructive power.
What about dispersal / refraction / reflection?

Seen someone ask what if Luffy became a marine, typed it out then thread closed so I'll paste here, comment on my autism

>leaves the same way to go to marine base>finds coby>saves him hears about zoro>save zoro, makes him become marine with him>defeat corrupt Morgan>move to find better base>get nami by saving her from buggy then arlong>go to baratie>beat up some pervert chief messing with marine bro>zoro shit on food as a sign of superiority >deal with some pirate admiral>some Italian appears and zoro says he'll surpass him

MEANWHILE

>Usopp finds courage and save his town and leaves to become a captain with his doctor bitch>stop for food and find chief wanting revenge on a swordman for wasting food and to save a ginger from them>cook joins usopp pirates>go to GL

>>115342052
The new devil fruits were never implied to be used by BB. If you consider Jesus Burgess trying to get Ace's fruit, he's probably just giving them to his crew members. Haki doesn't automatically mean you can fight logias on an even playing field. It didn't even work on the other admirals that were hit by Whitebeard - they just shrugged that shit off. A man made of literal light wouldn't get hit in the first place.

Honestly Kizaru is OP's version FSN Goldy. Retardedly overpowered but also too retarded to do anything with it.

>>115342158
I just wanted to point out that his VA died. He didn't get as much attention of Dracule's VA dying for obvious reasons, but it still sucks.

>>115342226
Even then a man of light still can't lose. He could never be touched by any of his opponent's attacks, and if he wanted he could snipe your shit while constantly running away. I'm not saying that Kizaru is would be strategic enough to do any of that, but his power is easily the strongest and most versatile fruit in the series.

Jozu's ability might be useful defending against it too. But just defending.

>>115342212>It's okay to think things that are wrong, but they're still wrong.
I feel the same about you, especially in regards to how strong you think Shikki is. I don't know what DB movies have to do with this conversation, but if Toriyama wrote them in both his manga and the scripts then they're canon too.

It's mythical just like Marco's. The non-canon Tanuki zoan was considered mythical class as well, so the kitsune one will obviously be mythical as well.

Look at this list so far:

>Phoenix>Buddha>Tanuki>Vampire>Kitsune>Chinese Dragon

Now tell me which one of these actually have the versatility of fruits of a logia or paramecia like Ito Ito or Gomu Gomu? Oh right you can't. They have set abilities, and at least so far, haven't shown any hints of having the creative range to them that more 'basic' fruits do.

After all, marcofags will be the first to tell you he's STRONK and admiral tier right? So it should be safe to assume he's tapping into the full potential of his fruit right?

So what the fuck synergy is there between some shitty flying form and regeneration? To be a pussy and run away? How's that suppose to compete with String or Barrier fruit?

>>115342388
Anon, they aren't canon. I'm sorry. I'm also not the person you're arguing about powerlevels with, just someone else coming in to tell you that they aren't canon and this argument is retarded for that reason. Shiki's existence and the fact that he escape from prison is the only thing you know about him canonically.

>>115342495
I hope you feel very silly when you turn out to be wrong. Comedic relief? He's been an integral part of (and de facto member of) the crew since he saved Zoro and Brooke on PH. They'd have been dead without him and his powers a long time ago.

Nah man, I just read those chapters. He killed the giant squid and swam in acid and Zoro and all them were super impressed. He only got fucked up by the two jobbers because he jumped and tanked those giant ass missiles that were gonna hit Laboon. He could still be strong, I'm pretty sure tanking two missiles would hurt most people.

>>115342438
Marco is truly a shit, and so are Sabo and Doflamingo. >just as strong as the admirals, guys!>"D-doflamingo only left because he didn't want to waste time on aokiji!">"S-sabo could have beat Fuji! He wasn't going all out!">"Kizaru couldn't do anything to Marco."
Piratefags are easily the worst, Akainu all day, whitebeard/ace funeral best day of my life.

>>115342661
I don't give a shit about Marco and I couldn't care less about any of your powerlevel bullshit. I just think you're fucking annoying and wish you would stop. These threads are awful enough with all the people who can't even be assed to read the manga without idiots like you trying to stir up shit.

>>115342226
If I remember correctly, he can only move at the speed of light in a straight line, unless he bounces off another object. So his movements are predictable once he goes into light-mode. Even with light movement it will still take him time to think of what he'll do next, even if that's only fractions of a second it's still slower than light speed. This is probably why characters are shown moving in slow motion around him rather than not moving at all, like when he was about to blast the Straw Hats and Rayleigh intervened. It's probably the best fruit so far, Law's might be a little better or Marco's but Kizaru is not unbeatable.

>>115342719
I'm discussing fruits faggot, which is more than you can say the entire time you've been here. Do you think your shitty opinion would change anything? Oh that's right it won't, so why did you post it in the first place?

Because either you're retarded and just want to vent and be a hypocrite, or you're actually a marcofag who realized he's wrong and doing damage control. Take your pick.

How come Crocodile's bounty is so low not only relative to the other Shichikubai but other 'big' characters of the story?
I'm guessing this was a time before Oda decided to go nuts with bounty numbers?

>>115342772
I always felt that Zoan fruits were a big joke. Out of all of the incredibly amazing logia and paramecia abilities you could get, even if not all of them were great in battling, they are still infinitely more versatile and useful than 95% of zoans. Funny enough the only two cool zoans were the wolf and tiger fruits in CP9.

>ha look at this faggot he got the giraffe fruit!
I'd rather have the bubble fruit over that shit.

>>115342869
He became a Shichibukai early on instead of after a long career of pirating presumably. Your bounty stops going up after that. We also don't know what his new bounty is and it's a safe bet that it went up after what happened at Marineford and the fact that he was locked away in level 6 of Impel Down.

>>115342840>If I remember correctly, he can only move at the speed of light in a straight line, unless he bounces off another object.
Nothing like this has ever been said. The only mention of his movement Kizaru has ever given was when he asked Basil Hawkins if he'd ever been kicked at the speed of light. There's never been a stipulation about him only moving at lightspeed in a straight line.

>>115342883
When I'm not wasting time on you and discussing what I was originally on point about, which are the Zoan fruits, yes.

>>115342905
The fucking giraffe fruit was only remotely special because Kaku's nose was square to begin with. Judging from how other Zoan fruits don't have any weird ass shapes no matter their form I'm pretty certain it was because of the nose.

Which leads me to believe that the more unique an individual you are, the more abilities you get as a Zoan. Chopper is unique, he's a fucking Reindeer.

But then look at Lucci and Jyabura like you said. The fuck did those things do? Oh we got bigger and stronger and faster. Wow. Oh and we have claws and sharp teeth!

At least Pekoms had a turtle shell, but that's more of a funny thing than actually being useful like say, Bart's fruit.

>>115342961>>115342840
Even if he can only move in a straight line, what does it fucking matter? He's still faster than any soru ability, Luffy's Gear Second, or anything else. He can still run away and take pot shots from a distance. He can change instantly from defensive to offensive and back again. He's also shown that he can fight against Raleigh at least for a while. As long as the user is not a dumbass he shouldn't ever be able to lose, even if he can't necessarily win.

>>115343046>Either way, Zoans need an upgrade.
The upcoming Kaido arc is probably going to focus on exactly that since the SMILEs only make Zoans. Chopper has a drug that upgrades them that hasn't been mentioned in a while, just waiting for Oda to bring it back again, and we've seen awakened zoans in Impel Down as well.

They're limited to 3 forms for the most part and most users just have a full beat form, a full human form, and a form that's a mix of the two. But with the Rumble ball, you get more options, and who really knows what happens with ascended zoans in that situation or with SMILEs.

>Flashback continues, Corazon explains Doflamingo's aims against WG, but nothing new is revealed. Corazon talks with Law whenever they're alone and an uneasy bond is formed.>The Donquixote Pirates sneak in to Mariejoa, and obtain a "weapon?" sealed below a great tower.>Corazon is distraught and with Law raises the alarm.>Doflamingo keeps marines at bay by threatening to use the weapon, the crew escapes with it.>The Donquixote Pirates hunt for the traitors Corazon and Law.>One Piece will be on a break next week.

>>115343046
Let's not forget those ridiculous awakened Zoans in Impel Down that never appeared again after that arc. What were they supposed to be? Was their transformation against the user's will? Why were they still so bad even after awakening the full potential of their fruit?

>>115343235
There is no way 1 second would have made a difference. Did you see the size of the explosion? It would have wiped out the entire city. Even if he wasn't kissing the nuke, he was close enough.

There's no way missiles should have hurt more than that. And Pell got off with a busted arm.

>Flashback continues, Corazon explains that the Will of the D is the key to the final weapon from the dark history>Government formed to prevent the D's from erecting to the top>flashback stops and back to luffy and law vs dofla and clones>luffys hand strings are suddenly cut>zoro shot them while still holding of pica>he calls luffy and tells him to get serious or they'll all die, cant have an unreliable captain this late into the game>luffy goes serious mode and starts the real fight with dofla>zoro activates the zorogan and kills pica, fugitora, shanks and mihawk in with his 1 sword style>"I wasn't even using 2 hands"

>>115343310>What were they supposed to be? Was their transformation against the user's will? Why were they still so bad even after awakening the full potential of their fruit?

No one really knows right now. It's likely to come up again though since there's an upcoming arc that's going to heavily focused on Zoans. I would guess it's something like Chopper's monster form before he gained control over it and a product of Vegapunk shenanigans.

>>115343223
I'd be glad if Zoans turned out to be not dog shit, that's really what I wanna see. Cause right now we have logia with overall top tier abilities (unless you're swamp or some shit) with DARKNESS being the leader, and then there's paramecia with Ope Ope and Ito Ito and hell Gomu Gomu even since Haki really did a number on logia.

Zoan so far is like, oh shit I can regenerate...with a limit...and fly at the same time. That is literally the best thing I know about Zoans. Meanwhile we haven't seen a single logia take a gaping wound that would need said recovery bar Ace who did it on purpose.

>>115343502
I think it does. The humans in One Piece have a much higher ceiling as far as their abilities and durability goes. Like you said Crocus is a beast for tanking two missiles. But in the world of One Piece, that's only impressive if we're back at Captain Morgan's town.

Doesn't make it any less impressive for those people who would die to a simple gun shot, but the limit is simply way higher.

>>115343568
It's been 5 weeks since we started getting chapters on Thursdays and it gets posted in threads all the time that the new release is on Thursday. It's just about time to start insulting you people who keep asking about it now.

>>115343523>...with a limit
Now anon I'm not a Marcofag but this wasn't actually confirmed. He did get stuck with kairoseki shortly after. Still Marco probably couldn't regenerate from an attack that is strong enough to one-shot him.

>Chopper
Only good with the rumble balls. Even then he's still one of the weakest strawhats. His monster form and the awakened zoans by extension also suck.

>Drake
Little is seen of him, don't know how transforming into a giant shitty dinosaur is good.

>CP9
They were pretty cool, but they didn't do that much. The CP9 guys were already relatively strong before the fruits, and the fruits didn't explicitly help in any way.

>Marco
Pretty cool, but not much potential for offensive use. Just kind of fly around and not die. But to be fair there are plenty of non-DF users who manage just fine, so it could be called an added bonus.

>Kaido and Smiley
No idea. Kaido is probably some fucking beast that wouldn't even need a DF, much less a zoan one, to take power. His fruit is probably just an animal that mirrors his personality.

>>115343564
I cant remember an instance where one of his attacks deviated from a straight path, from its source, without the assistance of an outside object. The only time I've seen his attack move in a way other than straight was when he reflected it off other objects. Why would he choose to bounce it off things if he could just change its direction mid-path on a whim? That's what I am saying. I imagine it's one of the properties of his element but I could be wrong.>>115343094
I wouldn't be surprised if some characters could keep up with him. Ben Beckmann seemed pretty confident that he could at least shoot him despite the speed of light thing.

>>115343795>Whitebeard might've actually had a chance at living the Marineford war if he didn't get hit with that magma dog attack.

No not really. I think it was clear even to him that this was the end already. When he decided to cut off himself from his crew but even before after all his wounds and his age clearly having a big inpact on him.

>>115343935
O: Yeah, I know... I've omitted the explanation from this war arc, because I focused on the pacing and wanted to move the story forward. To explain Marco's ability just a little bit: he's Zoan, so he does have a body. But since he's got "the blue fire of revival" - the Phoenix's ability - wounds will regenerate, so attacks will not damage him (though there's a limit to the regeneration). In other words, the flames are for regeneration. These blue flames don't have the characteristics of actual fire - they don't spread and burn things, and they aren't hot. They're completely different from Ace's flames. I might touch on this in the main story at some point, so I'll leave it at this for now.

>(though there's a limit to the regeneration)>(though there's a limit to the regeneration)>(though there's a limit to the regeneration)>These blue flames don't have the characteristics of actual fire - they don't spread and burn things, and they aren't hot.>These blue flames don't have the characteristics of actual fire - they don't spread and burn things, and they aren't hot.>These blue flames don't have the characteristics of actual fire - they don't spread and burn things, and they aren't hot.

>>115340558
Whitebeard himself towered over everybody, but his own lack of ambition to rule the world and the others' strengths in their crew made them equal. The definition of the Pirate King is incredibly nebulous though, as it was a propaganda made to prop up Gold Roger and make his death a warning against all pirates.

>>115343932
It was more of a hypothetical situation. If Whitebeard just packed all of his shit up and left the war immediately before attacking Akainu, he might've been able to recover and live a few more years. But after getting hit with it half of his internal organs were probably blown the fuck out and he became a walking dead man.

>>115344025
It's not intangibility, because unlike logia it doesn't bypass. His body does however, seem to absorb elemental attacks through the regeneration.

But make no mistake it's not intangibility, otherwise he can't block Kizaru's attacks for WB. That just...you know.

Well there's actually a slight chance that it could be, if we assume Marco had somewhat of a mastery of Haki so he can use a ghetto version of what the admirals did to block the quake from destroying Marineford and combined it with his fruit. But I've yet to see a single marcofag bring up this possibility. How ironic.

>>115343975
From the beam of light I was making claims about Kizaru's body as light. So yes, personally I think Kizaru's light speed traveling is limited to a straight path until he reaches something that he can bounce off of. So technically in order to go different directions he'd have to stop moving at light speed and then start again in the new direction which would make fighting him dependent on predicting those paths/moments with CoO. It's the only way I can see anyone being a threat to him.

>>115344175
Oh I definitely don't think it's some kind of consumable deal like with Brook where it happens once and never again. It's definitely something renewable.

The point of the limit I'm addressing is that against other fruits, it's near useless because it's almost always better to enhance your battle capabilities than to extend your longevity, because with the exception of shit like Ope Ope, most fruits don't seem to have a limit on their use. There's no, oh shit I have no stamina, I am no longer rubber!

>>115344255
I mean, it's a good theory and I like it, but I don't think there's any real solid evidence to believe it. Every other Logia user moves their elemental bodies around in all directions with no problem. It's just the element itself that gets shot out that behaves like a projectile, not their whole body. I think people are wrong about him being able to "move at the speed of light" in general though. His beams might do that (I think it's more about the strength he puts behind shooting them out though), but I'm pretty sure his body itself is still limited to his own physical speed, which I'm sure is still very fast given that he's an admiral.

>>115344445>The point of the limit I'm addressing is that against other fruits, it's near useless because it's almost always better to enhance your battle capabilities than to extend your longevity, because with the exception of shit like Ope Ope, most fruits don't seem to have a limit on their use.

No not at all, it's pretty fucking strong. You can tank hundreds of your oponents attack no problems regardless the strenght.

He fails to dodge Mihawks slash? Anyone else is fucked but not him. Gets half his face blown away by magma? Insta regen.

>>115344672
I'm not the one who's so mad I can't even be consistent with my capitalization marcofag. You gave yourself away too easily.

And no, I wasn't there when Marco was mentioned being the next Shichibukai. I was only there in the thread previous to the previous one where Marco=Admiral was pointed out and the guy kept going on about. But you wouldn't know that would you? After all, you clearly aren't a marcofag. You're just the one guy who's pissed but isn't mature enough to just let things go so we can all move about our business while everyone else is actually discussing other things, including myself.

>>115344535
He was shown against the Supernovas to move at light speed with that mirror of light technique, which caused him to move in straight lines and reflect. The time he kicked Luffy in the jaw at Marineford also suggests he moved at lightspeed then too, although the mirror of light wasn't seen. It's really not known, but it's all but proven that he is capable of moving at lightspeed under certain circumstances.

Even if he can only move in straight lines, he's still OP as fuck. If he has to use that mirror technique to move everytime, then that's not so broken, but it's not proven if he has to or not.

>>115344586
Hmm, well if it regenerates regardless of attack power then that might be the case, but I was always under the impression that it was a matter of how hard he got hit you know?

Cause with Kizaru's first attack, he tanked it like a champ with just his wings. But then he's in full phoenix form the next moment and Garp sacks him in one hit. By the logic you're using Garp hitting him shouldn't incapacitate him and he should have just gotten right back up if not completely ignore it.

Seems a bit too coincidental for him to run out of juice right at that moment right? After all he still had fumes when Kizaru lasered him afterwards.

>>115344951>But then he's in full phoenix form the next moment and Garp sacks him in one hit. By the logic you're using Garp hitting him shouldn't incapacitate him and he should have just gotten right back up if not completely ignore it.

No probably because Garp's punch is a little more tangible than Kizaru's laser who might not even have been imbued with haki.

>Seems a bit too coincidental for him to run out of juice right at that moment right?

I don't know he was able to regenrate further attacks just fine so your point might stand if what I wrote above isn't true.

>>115345047
Well he certainly left Luffy alone after he got belted. Are you telling me a completely fine Marco wouldn't have been able to climb up to the podium when he knows how to fly? Actually given his power level can't he just jump up there?

>>115345277
Now you're also being a hypocrite and not going to sleep? Why do you defend this mostly irrelevant character so much? Is your sleep worth sacrificing for just to shit post? Is your life that meaningless? Do you have the same hairstyle and fat lips as the guy?

>>115345488
You didn't though. You just said "to stop shitposting" and then continued to post a bunch of stuff that seemed pretty obviously "ill-intentioned." What did Marco do to you? Are you Kizaru and you're mad that he didn't care about you firing your laser? Did Marco rape your dog? I'm having a hard time believing anyone can legitimately hate a character with so little relevance this much. I think you're just bored and trying to stir up some trouble but no one really seems to care.

>>115345632
RIght. That's what I said. You said you wanted to stop shitposting. But then you just kept trolling. So I think maybe you can understand my confusion here. Because you still haven't explained your hatred for Marco or "marcofags" but instead you just keep getting angry.

>>115345661
Probably some bullshit about making the Navy look good. The Fleet Admiral is supposed to command the rest of the troops and only participates when shit really hits the fan (like with BB arriving). He honestly shouldn't have had to step in to get rid of Luffy when all three admirals, most of the shichibukai, and most of the VAs were there.

>>115345696
You might wanna ask these 'different people' to stop shit posting then. If you haven;t noticed I still take part and discuss in the thread apart from talking to you niggers while none of you have said shit.

>>115345661
Well, Sengoku did end up attacking Luffy, and the balloon managed to block it just fine. Which is weird because you'd think a Fleet Admiral would know enough Haki to knock a rookie out given his zoan giant fist of enlightenment.

>>115345844
But that's exactly why no one bothers to post screenshots. Because you would just call it a shop. The proper response to all samefag accusations is to ignore them entirely and carry on as if anon hadn't said something completely retarded.

>>115346044>just fine
Yeah, he just made a giant ono fuzen and still cough blood and, by the way, he is rubber, but I cant get clearly view of haki power, because in that time, Oda didnt draw in nigger mode.

>>115346208
Well I'm mostly speaking about his effectiveness. I find it hard to believe Garp couldn't have KOed Luffy balloon or not if he really wailed him. Yet Sengoku can't do it even with a fruit enhancement.

Gonna have to disagree with you on CP9. Lucci and Jabra's fruits seemed to add more piercing power to their sendai, because they gained claws. I think Lucci could only do his air sendai because he had the necessary strength whilst in zoan form.

Kaku was miraculously able to take advantage of the centripetal force of his lengthened giraffe form into producing stronger air slices, and produced a sendai with greater reach.

>>115346395
Oda does the concept art, directs his assistants and goes back and fixes what he thinks they don't get like buildings or what his editor tells him to change.I've heard he likes trying to do most double spreads.
The assistants are only as good as mangaka. Also looking at his color spreads and concept art he could do that.

>>115346509>miraculously
More like Oda's biggest asspull ever just for comedic effect, and it worked. That entire fight was hilarious and 10x better than it should have been. It simultaneously praised and mocked zoan fruits, as if Oda knew that readers thought it was the weakest variant and decided to make a giraffe into a badass because of it.

>>115346538
Well, I'm not saying Sengoku has to be as strong as Garp, but I thought his Buddha fruit would have closed the gap a bit you know? It just felt like a very underwhelming debut for the other confirmed Mythical Zoan.

>>115346660
Not the guy you're quoting but what's your point? Rayleigh was clearly an exception of exceptions. I don't know how many times I need to say this, but if we compare Rayleigh to Whitebeard and their performance against Kizaru as the measurement...

>Rayleigh forces Kizaru to fight him head on even when Kizaru's mission is to capture/execute the Straw Hats>Kizaru does not talk slow and even complains about Rayleigh's cockiness when he's already holding off an admiral>Rayleigh inflicted an actual visible wound to Kizaru, causing his cheek to bleed

>Kizaru turns his back on Whitebeard in order to shoot Luffy, who is one of the main objectives at Marineford, not the sole objective unlike SA>Whitebeard interrupts Kizaru and slashes him from behind>Kizaru comes out unphazed though whatever he was casting/charging at the time is interrupted>Repeat this scene three times

Why does no one acknowledge this? It's not like it makes WB any less of a man when he's coughing blood and was hooked on IVs for god knows how long while Rayleigh is still in fine shape for an old man.

Why is it not acceptable for Rayleigh to be stronger than Marineford WB?

>>115347074
OP is a weekly anime that has gone on for hundreds of episodes. It doesn't exist primarily to attract new viewers like most season-based anime based on manga, but just to entertain the manga readers. It's timeslot appeals to a wider audience, especially children. It's practically the equivalent of Family Guy - it airs regularly, people are used to it airing, and it's often just watched for background noise or when there is nothing better.

Toei doesn't give the weekly anime a higher budget because it doesn't have to. The label of One Piece makes it shit money regardless of animation quality.

To be fair Toei did a fairly decent job right up until TB, then it started to pace poorly but was still fairly good, but it kept dropping as the anime went on. By the time we hit Marineford it was...well...

>>115344832
She'll be back eventually they still have to explain what ties she has to WB and the world government, as well as how she managed to escape from Akainu
I have a feeling she'll join the StrawHeart alliance when she does return

- Rosinante was an Akuma no Mi user. He ate Nagi Nagi no Mi (ナギナギの実), he was a "no sounds" man.
- Vergo was first Corazón in Donquixote Pirates.
- Rosinante took Law with him to search a cure of Law's illness.

>>115350670
No I wasn't even referring to the dwarfs relationship to the Straw Hats. I mean when the the little people consider their own people as nakama as well despite you know, not having a ship between all of them.

>>115350821
Comrade is pretty much exact, at least for the way it's used in one piece. (And for most cases friend would work well too.) Unfortunately many years ago some weeb fan translator planted the idea in the one piece community that nakama had some deep meaning that could never properly translate to english and it has since grown to cult-like proportions.

764:
-Rocinante tells Law that the tenryuubito hate the D because of that man
-Law asks who that man is
-Rocinante says you are better off not knowing
-Law ignores him and stays with Doflamingo because he has nowhere else to go
-Baby 5 says Law is a D in front of Doflamingo
-Doflamingo drops his sunglasses and steps on them
-Doflamingo throws Baby 5 out the window
-Law is asleep
-Doflamingo attempts to smother him with a pillow
-Rocinante goes to stop him
-Doflamingo turns to Rocinante - we see his eyes full view - says "You are not corazon. You are not family. You are dead."

Normally I'm in bed by 10:00 on thursday nights because I have to wake up at 10:30 for class and I also have three college classes today but I had to stay up late tonight due to a 4 page paper I've been procrastinating on. I'm almost done with it now but I might as well stay up for the mangapanda release

>>115352436
How it sounds matters just as much as context. Sniper King sounds lame as shit compared to Soge King, and a big part of that is also due to how the voice actors pronounce it and imprint it in everyone's minds.

But the real obvious ones are like Gomu Gomu vs Gum Gum. You'd have to be handicapped in the head to pick the latter and may as well submit your mp3 player to a research lab so they can figure out what's the common shit factor in all the songs.

>>115341697>forgetting he was also from the weakest blue
i agree that most wont, but we cant forget that at that point he was the best of the worst. im sure every once in a while people learn haki before heading to the grand line