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Guys,Do not read more into this than there is. We're supplementing the existing ROM with some more content in this firmware update. I would not expect more samples to be added.

Point taken, but in theory it seems Casio could , if they wanted to, exchange the ROM sample data , which is a very interesting development and makes the product much more future proof and flexible. Also when a flaw is found in a particular sample or sample group (hello Roland) , these could be replaced by a new version. All very positive news if that is indeed the case . I mean this as a big plus for Casio - so I hope you are not being unpretentious about it if this is indeed possible. No matter to what extend Casio will use it in the end. PX5S is still full of surprises...

Yes in theory, anything is possible. Is is likely....that is a different story.

There is one more firmware update in the works that I know about after v1.10 and I'm trying to get them to put as much into the PX-5S as I can. At certain point however a line has to be drawn so we can move on to the next product. That doesn't meant that we're going to stop with sound/preset libraries for a very long time but things that are at the sample level, software and architecture level will likely be final.

I have decided im gonna get the PX-5S once it gets here, which most likely will be august. (Long wait, but i hope it will be worth it).Also concidering getting the KRK Rokit 6 og 8, anyone have these?Would it be recommended (for home use only) to get only one monitor?

It includes the following updates: • Improving the Key Follow function of Hex Layer. • Adding a portamento function to the Melody tones and the Hex Layer tones. • Adding a volume control to the Audio Recorder. • Adding a volume control to the Damper Noise. • Adding ‘Toggle Mode’ to the Pedal Function. • Adding MIDI Rx message filters. • Expanding the frequency range of the Master Equalizer. • Expanding the frequency range of the DSP Equalizer. • Adding a Fine tune to the DSP Pitch Shifter. • Adding a Bypass to the System Effects and the Master Effects. • Adding a destination parameters to the controllers (Knobs, Sliders, Modulation and Pedals). • Adding a calibration function of the position of the Knobs. • Adding a sample waves to the Hex Layer.

We've also gone through and revised/improved a number of the Stage Settings.

And the postage service rang the doorbell.....without a package the size of 88 keys - as was promised by the salesman ;-( Counted on trying the FW1.1 right away !

Seems the wait is not over yet. We'll I'm still waiting for that other ultimate keybed too, so Im getting used to it. (wonder why they call it 'Virtual' PC1 - has nothing to do with delivery times , does it ;-)

Great service of Casio and especially Mike. By the way - I noticed the editor is not online yet, although it is mentioned in the video instructions for backup purpose. Right ?

Was the audio in the Kraft video recorded directly from the line outs? Or was there some mixing of the amp/speakers in the room too - perhaps from the voice mic? I can hear your fingers pressing buttons and playing the keys etc. I actually prefer it like this (rather than muting the mic every time some sound is played) - sounds much more natural and 'real'.

For all of you interested - the Midi solutions Pedal Controller + Roland DP10 solution to enable half damping on the PX5 works. There are still a few 'quirks' however:

Cabling A: - MIDI OUT (Thru) of Casio PX5 is connected to the MIDI IN of the Pedal Controller for powering the unit.- MIDI OUT of the pedal controller is connected to the MIDI IN of the Casio.

Settings A:- Pedal controller is programmed to NOT echo the MIDI INPUT (to avoid MIDI doubles/ loops).- Pedal controller is programmed to send out Damper controller data going linear from value 0 ~ 127 on MIDI channel 1 ~ 4. - System Local Control = ON- System settings set both MIDI OUT SELECT and USB OUT SELECT to 'KEY'.

Suppose you want to use the Casio as a controller for external gear / software instruments on a computer as well. Problem: either the MIDI data from the Casio hardware is send (notes / controllers) OR the MIDI Input is routed over USB to the computer. But not both simultaneously. Meaning you either play your software without damper pedal, or you can play only the half-damper pedal to your software. A workaround is looping the MIDI output of the Casio back to the MIDI IN and use the PX5 in 'local-off' mode. Apart from extra latency, that 'almost' works ' ;

Cabling B:- MIDI OUT (Thru) of Casio PX5 is connected to the MIDI IN of the Pedal Controller for powering the unit.- MIDI OUT of the pedal controller is connected to the MIDI IN of the Casio.- USB of the Casio is connected to a computer.

Settings B:- Pedal controller is now programmed to ECHO the MIDI INPUT , so all note and controller info coming from the MIDI OUT of the Casio will be merged with the pedaling data en send to the MIDI IN of the Casio.- System Local Control = OFF- System MIDI OUT SELECT is KEY and USB OUT SELECT is set to MIDI. - System USB IN ENABLE could be set to off , for safety - to avoid MIDI loops.- Pedal controller is still programmed to send out Damper controller data going linear from value 0 ~ 127 on MIDI channel 1 ~ 4. You can change the min /max values , curve and offsets for the pedal response if you like to.

The Casio now sends it's key+control data to the Pedal Controller. This will be merged with the pedal data and send to the MIDI input of the Casio. The incoming MIDI data is mirrored over the USB output to the software instrument. A new problem is there is no way to silence the internal engine for the zone(s) in the stage settings. If you turn the zone off in Mixer edit of the stage settings; there is no MIDI data coming out of the PX5. If you turn only the Generator OFF in the stage MIDI settings, the internal engine will still sound in this particular setup (bug ?). So the way to hear ONLY the software instrument on a certain zone is by dialing back the volume of the internal sound on that zone to zero. It works, but I don't know if the tone is then still using up polyphony and processing, although the volume is zero.

I hope a future firmware update will provide a better way of setting up the PX5 for people wanting to combine the Casio with a MIDI Solutions Pedal Converter for half-damping and/or expression pedal in a hybrid setup with software sounds. IMHO if the System USB OUT SELECT setting can route both KEY and MIDI to the USB output that would already solve the problem.

Sorry for the long post; perhaps it's of use for someone and/or Casio make take notice and make some tweaks for firmware v1.2 ….

For all of you interested - the Midi solutions Pedal Controller + Roland DP10 solution to enable half damping on the PX5 works. There are still a few 'quirks' however:

Cabling A: - MIDI OUT (Thru) of Casio PX5 is connected to the MIDI IN of the Pedal Controller for powering the unit.- MIDI OUT of the pedal controller is connected to the MIDI IN of the Casio.

Settings A:- Pedal controller is programmed to NOT echo the MIDI INPUT (to avoid MIDI doubles/ loops).- Pedal controller is programmed to send out Damper controller data going linear from value 0 ~ 127 on MIDI channel 1 ~ 4. - System Local Control = ON- System settings set both MIDI OUT SELECT and USB OUT SELECT to 'KEY'.

Suppose you want to use the Casio as a controller for external gear / software instruments on a computer as well. Problem: either the MIDI data from the Casio hardware is send (notes / controllers) OR the MIDI Input is routed over USB to the computer. But not both simultaneously. Meaning you either play your software without damper pedal, or you can play only the half-damper pedal to your software. A workaround is looping the MIDI output of the Casio back to the MIDI IN and use the PX5 in 'local-off' mode. Apart from extra latency, that 'almost' works ' ;

Cabling B:- MIDI OUT (Thru) of Casio PX5 is connected to the MIDI IN of the Pedal Controller for powering the unit.- MIDI OUT of the pedal controller is connected to the MIDI IN of the Casio.- USB of the Casio is connected to a computer.

Settings B:- Pedal controller is now programmed to ECHO the MIDI INPUT , so all note and controller info coming from the MIDI OUT of the Casio will be merged with the pedaling data en send to the MIDI IN of the Casio.- System Local Control = OFF- System MIDI OUT SELECT is KEY and USB OUT SELECT is set to MIDI. - System USB IN ENABLE could be set to off , for safety - to avoid MIDI loops.- Pedal controller is still programmed to send out Damper controller data going linear from value 0 ~ 127 on MIDI channel 1 ~ 4. You can change the min /max values , curve and offsets for the pedal response if you like to.

The Casio now sends it's key+control data to the Pedal Controller. This will be merged with the pedal data and send to the MIDI input of the Casio. The incoming MIDI data is mirrored over the USB output to the software instrument. A new problem is there is no way to silence the internal engine for the zone(s) in the stage settings. If you turn the zone off in Mixer edit of the stage settings; there is no MIDI data coming out of the PX5. If you turn only the Generator OFF in the stage MIDI settings, the internal engine will still sound in this particular setup (bug ?). So the way to hear ONLY the software instrument on a certain zone is by dialing back the volume of the internal sound on that zone to zero. It works, but I don't know if the tone is then still using up polyphony and processing, although the volume is zero.

I hope a future firmware update will provide a better way of setting up the PX5 for people wanting to combine the Casio with a MIDI Solutions Pedal Converter for half-damping and/or expression pedal in a hybrid setup with software sounds. IMHO if the System USB OUT SELECT setting can route both KEY and MIDI to the USB output that would already solve the problem.

Sorry for the long post; perhaps it's of use for someone and/or Casio make take notice and make some tweaks for firmware v1.2 ….

JFP,

you could use a MIDI Solutions Power Adapter rather than using the PX-5S MIDI Out to provide power. Extra cost but it would simplify things.

Thanks Willf, but why ? The MIDI OUT of the Casio is there anyway. Don't see any reason why you would add another box in this scenario.

The MIDI out connection to the Pedal controller is also great for programming the Pedal controller itself ! All you need to do is hook up your computer to the Casio and have it function as a MIDI interface to your MIDI solutions device (temporarily set System settings MIDI SELECT output = USB). Disconnect the cable going to your MIDI IN on the Casio while programming the Pedal Controller just to be sure. After programming the controller is done set the System settings back to MIDI SELECT output = KEY.

Simple, elegant setup and it works (did the programming myself in this setup, since I don't have any other MIDI interfaces anymore).

Question about the PX5 audio input; is there a noise gate active on the audio input , or am I going crazy. When I play a software instrument trough the input it gets cut-off when dropping below a certain volume level in the sustain phase.

Checked it in three different cabling configurations and there IS really a signal going into the audio input (either Jack INPUTS or Mini-jack). So the cut-off happens in the Casio. A simple YES would help, so I can stop pulling my hair out on this subject. Wanted to use a software piano routed through the audio in of the Casio for easy setup, but if there is indeed a fixed noise gate , that can't be bypassed, I have to think of another mixing setup. Or is it a feature that can be turned of in a future firmware update. Hope it's not hardwired...

Any other PX5 users tried this ; is it my unit / general PX5 behavior ?

Thanks Willf, but why ? The MIDI OUT of the Casio is there anyway. Don't see any reason why you would add another box in this scenario.

I misunderstood your post. I though you wanted to use the PX-SS as a controller. So not tying up the Midi Out port to provide power I thought might be a help. I will admit that I am not familiar with Midi Solutions Products.