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Europe: 'United we can win' -- interview with Alexis Tsipras

February 23, 2014 -- Green Left Weekly -- In December 2013, Alexis Tsipras, leader of the
Greek Coalition of the Radical Left (Syriza), was elected as lead
candidate of the Party of the European Left for the May 25, 2014, European
elections.

Tsipras’s candidacy is seen as symbolic of the fight for a different
Europe — one that is ecological, peaceful, democratic and based on
social justice. This is due to the Greek people’s resistance to the
austerity policies that the “troika” (European Union, European Central
Bank, International Monetary Fund) have imposed on them and Syriza’s
near-victory in the 2012 Greek elections on an anti-austerity platform.

Tsipras's candidacy has become especially symbolic of this fight in
Italy, where a very divided left is looking for ways to come together.
Tsipras was interviewed by Italian left daily Il Manifesto. It has been translated by Dick Nichols.

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With Syriza you pulled off a half miracle, or rather a great miracle [in uniting the left], how come you succeeded?

The miracle still hasn't been finalised, we still need a little time!
Given that we are Marxists and don't believe in metaphysics, the
explanation for our road map of left unity has social roots — the ties
that the traditional parties have had with the social layers hardest hit
by the crisis have been broken.

Today, we see a violent social fragmentation, especially within the
middle classes who had placed their faith in social democracy and now
find themselves without any hope at all.

Syriza arrived at the right time with the right proposal, based on
the concept of left unity. Syriza was formed in 2004 but it is only
since 2012 that it has made this leap forward.

During the previous period we existed as a left force, and even in
the difficult moments always fought for unity. Then, at the moment when
PASOK [the Greek social democratic party] collapsed, we had the right
message — the time has arrived for a real left government, a government
that unites the left.

No one used to believe us, even if people did appreciate us a lot,
because we offered proposals, not theories, and were committed to
solving people's daily problems.

In Italy, we have also seen a crisis of the middle class and
its political representation, but our left has not been able to find
this road of living together with their differences. Rather there is
division, and social protest has found expression in a party like Beppe
Grillo’s [Five Star Movement, a populist “anti-political” party].

That is precisely why it is more important than ever to bring
together all the forces of the left — to manage to find a real
alternative proposal.

Nothing that has taken place in Italy is any different from Greece,
even if in Greece everything has been much more violent. The social
democracy and the right wing here are in the same strategic dead end.

It’s true, in the last elections Grillo had great success, but it is
very easy to achieve “great feats” without a project. To continue to be a
mass force and really change things you have to have a credible
alternative.

The return to the nation state [Grillo proposes Italy leaving the
euro] can't be a real alternative anywhere. If it is possible to change
neoliberal Europe it will be through asserting the supremacy of the
peoples of Europe and not through a return to old rivalries.

We see the right getting together internationally and there
is not yet a corresponding “internationalisation” of the left. How can
the left get together in a more unified way in Europe?

First of all, we must see clearly that the strategy of the present
European leaders is without solutions. Austerity has failed socially and
economically.

The successes of the right are based on the fact that, rather than
putting forward criticisms of the neoliberal system, they create a
scapegoat and blame migrants. The nationalist right wing is interested
in destroying the European framework and returning to that of the nation
state, but they have no real alternative to neoliberalism.

What winning strategy can the left put forward?

To become a real alternative for the people. This is an historical
opportunity. The solution does not lie in destroying the European
framework but in transforming it.

The hegemony of [German Chancellor Angela] Merkel in Europe will lead
to the destruction of the European Union. The reality is that we [in
the PEL] are the only real pro-European force because we want a change
that transforms the EU’s structures in order to return to the values
that we share — those of democracy and solidarity. The present rulers
can’t pursue that goal very far!

The Greek philosopher Nikos Poulantzas said that socialism would be
democratic or would never be. Likewise, Europe will be democratic and
social or it will never be.

The important thing for the left is to create a broad, open front
against austerity. The European Union must have democratic foundations.
We must also understand that the crisis is not something that belongs to
any particular country, nor is it the result of the “laziness” of the
Greeks and Italians.

We are facing a structural crisis. The way in which the monetary
union [of the euro] was formed shows that there must be structural
changes or the crisis will never be overcome.

The technical solutions exist, but they clash with the dogmas of the
ECB and the monetary union. For example, there is no doctrine that says
that we must have a balanced budget, but they insist precisely on that.

How can democratisation of Europe take place? What will you do in the European Parliament and in the European Commission?

That always depends on what the political balance, the relationship
of forces, is. If you don't have the possibility of influencing
government, everything becomes more difficult. It’s also for this reason
that Syriza has become a sort of myth, because for the first time
there's a possibility of the left coming to government and dictating
terms.

Our anniversaries are tremendously strong, but they have enormous
contradictions. We all know that the Eurozone is a chain of 18 links and
if one link breaks, the whole chain shatters.

What I want you in Italy to understand is how important solidarity
between the peoples is: a left government will be successful to the
degree that its actions also find a response among other peoples and
among the left in other countries.

It will not be easy. Indeed, we’ll find ourselves in very harsh
confrontations, we will suffer very heavy attacks. If we are going to
hold out, everything will depend on solidarity among the peoples hit by
the crisis.

The establishment does not want to see a government of the radical
left capable of spreading to the rest of Europe. However, it will have
to come to terms with the political cost of a conservative response to
such a scenario.

That is why, for a government of the left, the way in which alliances
are built with other countries is important, just as it is important
for the left parties of the European Union that there is a government of
the left in any European country. That can start a domino effect and
lead to real change.

Maybe it would also help the social movements to advance their
demands, which in a country like Italy would be a very important step.

Are you are aware that for the pathologically divided Italian
left, your candidacy is a bit like that of a non-Italian Pope who has
managed to produce a miracle?

One swallow does not make a summer! Our shared project also depends
on your political commitment. We can offer a decent recipe and it can
bring us all to fight together for the same goals.

However, further fragmentation would be a disaster. In Italy too, you
have an important opportunity — those who voted for Grillo did so
because he was somehow seen to be demanding something and because the
political system is discredited.

If all that could work with the disheartened people then, to
participate actively now it will not be enough to just go and vote: what
will count a lot is the action that comes afterwards.

Today there will be a meeting of the executive of the Party
of the European Left. What will you say to convince them to try to
follow this path of opening out, and not close themselves in the ghettos
of the left?

The Party of the European Left is not sectarian. It works for broad
alliances against the policies of austerity. I am active in this group,
and the positions and program of this party are a very important basis
for my candidacy for the presidency of the European Commission.

You in Italy must also understand that at this moment, it is
necessary to have a broad alliance to achieve a united result. What we
manage to achieve with all of you will be very important.