Stillpointdancer---No you can not be compassionate towards animals that you eat. Such disillusion!Seriously, are you going to tell me a leaf of lettuce suffers the same as an animal? Is this your deluded understanding? Really? You do not like hearing about the blood dripping from your lips after lunch? Then do not eat meat! Go vegan!

"No you can not be compassionate towards animals that you eat. Such disillusion!"You still don't get it do you Ficus? You don't give a fig for anything but your own viewpoint. The more you slag off people, the further you are from enlightenment. The more you obsess about veganism, the more you cling on to that which is holding you back. Let it go and follow the path. You have no idea of the compassion I have for things. You don't know me, know nothing of my background, but presume to know everything.

"Seriously, are you going to tell me a leaf of lettuce suffers the same as an animal? Is this your deluded understanding? Really? Did I say 'same'? But yes, every living thing suffers. My understanding comes from insight. I have no idea where yours comes from, but my guess it is from the leavings of others. Try thinking about the suffering of each living leaf as you grind it in your teeth, and then try your hardest to raise whatever minuscule compassion you have in your heart towards it. Then you might make progress.

"You do not like hearing about the blood dripping from your lips after lunch? Then do not eat meat!"Couldn't care less about words as such, particularly from people such as yourself, but just wanted to warn you that the vitriolic filth that lies in your heart is holding you back from progress along the path. Try to be more compassionate to all living things, people, animals, plants, and those of other categories.

My perfect world would be where we manufactured all of our food so that neither animal nor plant suffers. I would never eat what came from living things again. So there!

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“You do not need to leave your room. Remain sitting at your table and listen. Do not even listen, simply wait, be quiet, still and solitary. The world will freely offer itself to you to be unmasked, it has no choice, it will roll in ecstasy at your feet.” Franz Kafka

You left last time throwing the heterodox bomb into the chat room and then ran away as fast as you could. You have already shown yourself to be a bane for this chat room discussion because you did not get the thread to do what you want and because with the example you set, it is difficult to trust your Buddhism.

I do not trust a word you say about diet nor Buddhism.

How long have you been vegan?

Everything you wrote about iron and B12 and nutritional yeast is rubbish. I do not care if it came from Google.

You and LetGo (who has shown us all what he means by Let Go quite graphically) and IdleChater have trolled away your own credibility.

I truly think IdleChater's heart can be reached.

I think LetGo needs to get over it.

I think you Francis, choose to misuse your sharp intelligence to misguide people.

The Buddha is clear about what happens to people who choose to misguide others.

Hi again Ficus religiosa,

I didn't run away, I chose not to inflame the situation.

Let’s be clear, your vegan diet is not a heathy diet. Not only because of inaccurate information about vitamin B12 and D3, but also because it lack pulses, which are an excellent source of protein.

As far as pulses go, soybeans are the holy grail because they have a complete amino acid profile, but hey not a mention. Could that possibly be because vast tracts of rainforest are cleared to grow soybeans for vegans?

As you say, the Buddha is clear about what happens to people that choose to misguide others.

And, you might also want to try refuting people’s arguments instead of going the ad-hom.

If we are to recite "Amrita" then we would be in keeping with the Vedas, the Mahabarata, the Vishnu Purana, and the Upanishads, not necessarily Buddha Dharma. The Buddha Dharma redefines "Amrita" as "recollection" (anussati - specifically "kāyagatāsati" or recollection of the impermanence of the body) in the Nakulapita Sutta. "Amrita" is not the term in the Sanskrit versions of the Pure Land sutras, nor was it the term translated into Chinese. Accusations of racism really only apply for those that follow Sanatana Dharma, who say that Sanskrit is a holy language that must be pronounced properly, and not those that follow Buddha Dharma, who denied the idea of a holy language that requires a perfect pronunciation (he literally says this in various places in the Tripitaka). The East Asian Pure Land version of Amitabha's name are "best effort" transliterations by people who are not Sanskrit speakers and their recitations are not a form of racism.

First and foremost in Right View is knowledge with regard to stress, knowledge with regard to the origination of stress, knowledge with regard to the cessation of stress, knowledge with regard to the way of practice leading to the cessation of stress: This is called right view. - DN 22. Stress/suffering/Dukkha is recognizing that all compounded things are impermanent. Understanding the origination of stress means understanding that suffering is born of ignorance and that this entire mass of stress (the 5 skandhas) come about due to ignorance. This view is completely inconsistent with the idea of Trimūrti concept of supreme divinity from the Puranas, where Brahma typically identifies the Creator, Vishnu the Preserver, and Shiva the Destroyer. There is no Brahman or Absolute in BuddhaDharma, especially Mahayana Buddha Dharma, where all phenomena is said to be empty of an intrinsic essence. In fact, one of the provisions in the typical Buddhist refuge ceremony is the vow to never take refuge in heterodox gods, such as Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva (explicitly named in my own ceremony); which is why I've taken such issue with the assertion that Vishnu and Amitabha are somehow related/the same. The concept of Sukhavati being the same as Loka is somewhat disputed by the Shorter Sukhavativyuha, where it is made clear that Sukhavati is the product of Amitabha's enlightened mind & great vows, rather than some substantially existing place. (On a side note, the Sukhavati Sutra mentions jeweled nets, but these are not explicitly a reference to Indra's net).

The idea that one is destined for hell automatically due to killing is refuted by the Angulimala Sutta. Angulimala was a serial killer, who had killed hundreds of people, but still met the Buddha and achieved Arhatship through the Dharma.

The idea that the Buddha drank tainted water is refuted by the Maha-parinibbana Sutta (DN 16). The Buddha died after eating tainted Sukara-maddava (pig's tenders) served by Cunda. In fact, Ananda balked at serving the Buddha tainted water in his final moments and was severely chastised for it later.

One of the biggest criticisms against Buddhists by the Jains was that they ate meat, with specific proscriptions given in the Vinaya of the types of meat to be avoided. The Jains chided the Buddhists saying that they would eat a baby if there was no intent behind the killing & cooking of the baby - a reference to their accepting whatever meat was given on alms rounds.

The worst part of this troll is how easily so many of the assertions are refuted by the actual Sutras, both Nikaya/Agama and Mahayana sutras.

You have only posted Japanese Sutra sites. You are a fool. You are a Japanese racist. You mislead others.

Are you so stupid to think just because a website url has a meaning in Japanese that the site is Japanese?Now who's racist?You're a stupid racist liar spreading misinformation and slandering the Buddha's Dharma.