Recommend some *good* action movies

i'm probably going to sound like a snob (what else is new). but the subject of the Criterion version of the Rock came up and the person asked if he should buy that or some other title. To me, The Rock is one of the weakest action movies i've ever seen for many reasons. yes i will agree the 'action' scenes are well choreographed and nice and glossy, but the characters and situation and patriotic posturing are so damned inane, i can't view the movie as anything but obnoxious drivel. so then i was asked to list some of the action movies that i thought were better, so they would know where i was coming from. i thought a few minutes and came up with this short list;

The Great Escape Bridge On The River Kwai The Professionals Bite the Bullet (really more adventure than action)Bend Of The River ( " ")The Train The Bourne Identity Raiders Of The Lost Ark Sahara( the Bogart version)

with the couple qualifications noted, i was pretty satisfied with this list as it represents to me movies that not only have gunplay and explosions, but also well drawn characters who behave in intelligent and believable ways (this is where The Rock fails miserably for me).

beyond these though, i had a hard time racking my brain. especially trying to find movies that fit the term 'action' in the more contemporary meaning of the word. a few more that i came up with wereHard Times (not much on guns or explosions, but some rough bare knuckle brawling)Mr Majestyk The Guns Of Navarone

so based on the criteria of good stories having believable characters taking precedence over the explosions and mayhem, what titles would you add to a list like this?

edited to add a running list of the suggestions so far

The Dirty Dozen The Getaway La Femme Nikita Leon: The Professional The French Connection Die Hard (1,2,3)* Ronin Hard Boiled The Killer Police Story 2: Supercop The Road Warrior Lethel Weapon (1,2) Saving Private Ryan The Fugitive The Rock Mad Max The Day of the Jackal The Taking of Pelham One Two Three The Towering Inferno Three Days of the Condor Marathon Man The Parallax View 48 Hours Rififi From Russia With Love Goldfinger (most of the Bond movies as a matter of fact) Bullitt Where Eagles Dare The Thomas Crown Affair (both versions) Patton Tora! Tora! Tora! The Poseidon Adventure Air Force One The Replacement Killers Rush Hour Blade Entrapment X-Men Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon Enemy at the Gate Under Siege The Hunt for Red October Gettysburg Cliffhanger Speed True Lies Crimson Tide Black Hawk Down Cliffhanger Demolition Man Equilibrium Gone in Sixty Seconds (1974) The Long Kiss Goodnight Mad Max The Road Warrior Speed The Negotiator Terminator Pulp Fiction Heat Big Trouble in Little China Tango & Cash Young Guns Total Recall The Running Man Silverado (good western action) Tombstone U-571 El Mariachi Desperado Once Upon a Time in Mexico The Thing Brotherhood of the Wolf Rambo trilogy (the first in particular) The Mask of Zorro Commando North By Northwest Enter the Dragon Chinese Connection Fists of Fury Return of the Dragon Lawrence of Arabia The Hunted Lord of the Rings trilogy Reservoir Dogs Scorpion King Gladiator Gangs of New York The Patriot Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves Apocolypse Now Full Metal Jacket Robocop Under Siege The Quick and the Dead Independence Day Fight Club Jurassic Park and Lost World Braveheart True Romance S.W.A.T. Spartacus Marked For Death The Last Boy Scout Rob Roy

The Train, woo-hoo! I love that movie, although it's not very well known these days. I would definitely add The Dirty Dozen to the list, I love the characterizations in that movie. Sam Peckinpah's original version of The Getaway, as well, if you're willing to call it an action movie, which I think is a fair classification.

both excellant choices. the subject really came up in the context of which disc he should buy and PQ was a criteria. i've heard that the DD disc doesn't look so hot (and i think the Getaway is probably a little long in the tooth now as well). Hopefully Warner will get around to remastering these sometime in the future. as soon as they do, they'll be a must buy for me.

And while some consider it Horror, and some consider it a War movie, I've always considered "ALIENS" as an action movie.

and while we're on the subject of Cameron--gotta mention T2. Call it Sci-Fi if you want--but that's one of the purest Action movies ever made.

Hard Boiled should be mentioned, without a doubt. hell, I know people denigrate it now--but I thought Face/Off was by far his best American movie, and is a good movie in it's own right.

Oh, and "The Road Warrior" which has possibly the best stuntwork ever.

or maybe not, if you're going to take fighting into account--I know "Police Story 2: Supercop" (aka just "Supercop") is considered a Kung Fu movie, but it's really an action-fest--and Jackie Chan and Michelle Yeoh are doing a lot of crazy stunts aside from gunplay and whupping ass.

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I always thought that was the appeal of Die Hard at the time--the character isn't a superman, gets hurt, reacts accordingly, and while he spouts off a one liner or two, he's more human than any action hero up to that point had been. He's not trying to stop crime, or rescue treasure--he just wants his wife back. The only reason he's there in the first place is to reconcile with his estranged wife.

I don't know if "The realistic action movie" has been filmed yet, and I wouldn't call Die Hard in any way realistic, but I think McClane fits into that story just as intelligently and believably as Indy Jones fits into Raiders. I think that's a major reason the movie resonated as it did at the time, and spawned it's own sub-genre of action movie, much like Indy did in 1981.

and actually, now that I think about it, maybe instead of Hard Boiled--it's "The Killer" that should be mentioned in this thread. I haven't seen "bullet in the head" or "A Better Tomorrow" so I can't comment on those, but The Killer is actually VERY character driven.

Considering the extreme lack of movies from the last twenty years its kind of hard to figure out your taste. Particularly since I don't think I would classify Bridge on the River Kwai or Great Escape as "action" films. There's been a lot of action movies between Raiders and Bourne Identity and while there's certainly a lot of crap there's been a lot of good ones too.

I agree. Die Hard is one of the only action movies I've ever started to ROOT for the main charector. It's very involving, cause you can relate. He's just an average joe, trying to do the best he can with what he can to stop some thieves. It's my favorite action movie. BTW, I liked Rock, and thought it had the most action you could fit into a movie.

i think what i would like to do is compile a list of what should be reference standard action movies.

what i'm proposing is for people to nominate what they think are the best representations of the genre and i will compile these and then when we get to about 50 or 60 (maybe up to 100), i'll close the nominations and then we'll figure out some way to pare the list down to about 25-30 representing the finest action films ever made. i'm going to refrain from criticizing anyones choices at this stage because i don't want to inhibit anyone from nominating what they think is a good movie. even though i already made a statement against The Rock, i know it's some peoples idea of a great action movie so i'll throw it on the list. in the de-selection process i may mention it though

keep 'em coming guys- and don't be afraid to nominate films that aren't widely known or popular i'll be a little lenient in this phase- as long as a film contains several action set pieces, it will qualify. it doesn't have to be wall to wall explosions.

Well I think much more highly of the Rock than you do, so I don't know what you'll think of these, but I'd suggest the following not already mentioned:

Mad Max The Day of the Jackal The Taking of Pelham One Two Three The Towering Inferno Three Days of the Condor Marathon Man The Parallax View 48 Hours Rififi From Russia With Love Goldfinger (most of the Bond movies as a matter of fact) Bullitt Where Eagles Dare The Thomas Crown Affair (both versions) Patton Tora! Tora! Tora! The Poseidon Adventure Air Force One The Replacement Killers Rush Hour Blade Entrapment X-Men Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon Enemy at the Gate Under Siege The Hunt for Red October Gettysburg Cliffhanger Speed True Lies Crimson Tide

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I would add the original The Terminator to the list because the characters of Sarah and Reese easily meet the requirement of being well-drawn characters who behave in intelligent ways in their situation. And the movie itself is just as much an Action Movie as it is a Sci-Fi Film, if not more so.

(And, despite the movie's low budget showing through time to time, I think it's much better than either sequel due to a tighter storyline and virtually no tongue-in-cheek "cutesiness")