Ironically I'm here in the NYC area visiting family and drove by Madison Square Garden a little while ago, but will be on the road soon back to Boston and can't stay to watch the game... :(

Infinite MAN_force

01-03-2010, 04:22 PM

I really hope Josh starts again tonight, I have an uneasy feeling that we will see a lot of small ball against the Knicks.

pwee31

01-03-2010, 05:05 PM

A win tonight would be sweet coming off a back to back, against a Knicks team that is playing pretty well right now.

Sookie

01-03-2010, 05:53 PM

If It's a close game, I hope JOB distributes the playing time between PG's a little better.

Don't make Watson play most of the second half, or he's gonna tire out. He played a game last night, with a ton of minutes. It's gotta get spread out a little bit better. It's not like Watson is a young guy.

joew8302

01-03-2010, 05:56 PM

This one may get ugly. Brandon has a quota of two good games per month and he used one last night.

BlueNGold

01-03-2010, 05:57 PM

I really hope Josh starts again tonight, I have an uneasy feeling that we will see a lot of small ball against the Knicks.

That's a cover for Murphy. It's a shame Tyler isn't available because we'd whoop on these guys.

If we beat them on the back side of a back to back...it's time to stop speculating.

I really hope Josh starts again tonight, I have an uneasy feeling that we will see a lot of small ball against the Knicks.
I wouldn't be surprised if we did go total small ball tonight. Too bad the Knicks are better at playing small ball then we are.

BlueNGold

01-03-2010, 07:04 PM

Solomon Jones and Josh are the keys to this game. If we go small, Harrington and David Lee are gonna kill us.

Please JOb, do not put Dahntay on either of these guys.

Edit: it's not about Josh and Solo beating those guys...it's about them slowing 'em down.

jhondog28

01-03-2010, 07:04 PM

Maybe Hibbert will be guarding Nate Robinson. If for nothing else comedy relief

CableKC

01-03-2010, 07:11 PM

Solomon Jones and Josh are the keys to this game. If we go small, Harrington and David Lee are gonna kill us.

Please JOb, do not put Dahntay on either of these guys.

Edit: it's not about Josh and Solo beating those guys...it's about them slowing 'em down.
Instead of forcing the opposing Team to play down to us....JO'B ( especially when it comes to small ball ) will decide to play down to them. We'll completely ignore that we have the best Low-Post scoring option between both Teams while having the chance to put out an athletic but bigger lineup while using a Solo/McRoberts/Hibbert lineup.

But someone needed to come in, as we've played our aging point guard for about forty minutes the past three games, and we like to use the other point guard as a shooting guard...

jhondog28

01-03-2010, 07:53 PM

When do the Harlem Globetrotters come to town maybe we should get them on the schedule. That way when we turn the ball over people will think it is part of the act

vnzla81

01-03-2010, 07:54 PM

good D thanks god we have DJ in our side :rolleyes:

sportfireman

01-03-2010, 07:56 PM

i know we're getting our butts handed to us :hmm:but i can't help but cheer for Bender......:happydanc:dance:

Sookie

01-03-2010, 08:01 PM

Well...Minny sort of came back on us..

jhondog28

01-03-2010, 08:01 PM

Lack of hustle?....check
Lack of rebounding?.....check
Lack of Shooting?........check
Lack of talent?.....check
Lack of defense?........check

I think this team seriously might be the worst put together team of the decade by an NBA franchise.

joew8302

01-03-2010, 08:01 PM

This team is an embarrassment.

Daniel33

01-03-2010, 08:02 PM

42-74 :mad:
I just hope we can come back at least a bit like the Wolves came back against us the other night.

vnzla81

01-03-2010, 08:02 PM

Lack of hustle?....check
Lack of rebounding?.....check
Lack of Shooting?........check
Lack of talent?.....check
Lack of defense?........check

I think this team seriously might be the worst put together team of the decade by an NBA franchise.

lack of coaching?...............check

Thesterovic

01-03-2010, 08:03 PM

At least John Wall looks sweeter every day.

Trophy

01-03-2010, 08:05 PM

Pathetic.

diamonddave00

01-03-2010, 08:07 PM

Well Pacers have allowed 140 points now in the last 4 quarters. Looks like its more than just Troy Murphy who struggles on defense on this team.

jhondog28

01-03-2010, 08:07 PM

At least John Wall looks sweeter every day.

The hell of it is we are not quite bad enough to get the pick. We are just better than the worst team in the NBA but probably a little bit worse than a vinegar soaked turd.

Thesterovic

01-03-2010, 08:07 PM

We need a JR Smith, Nate, Harrington, Crawford, Josh Smith that can come in, be our 2nd option, and explode big time on any given night.

vnzla81

01-03-2010, 08:09 PM

Pathetic?.

check ;)

LG33

01-03-2010, 08:10 PM

What was the point of the win over the Timberwolves?

jhondog28

01-03-2010, 08:10 PM

OMG maybe we could get Stacy Paetz to play in shorts and a sports bra!

Thesterovic

01-03-2010, 08:10 PM

I hate playing 2s at 4s and 1s at 3s. I hate no perimeter D, and I hate that Roy has only touched the ball 6 times.

Kuq_e_Zi91

01-03-2010, 08:10 PM

The talent difference is incredible. You all think Hibbert is good? Please...I would trade him for Lee no question and I would even ponder Gallinari as well.

We've already got Murphy. You really want Murphy and Lee? We think our frontcourt is soft now, wait till opponents get a look at Murphy and Lee under the rim...

pwee31

01-03-2010, 08:11 PM

About what you expect from a team relying a journeyman backup PG night in and night out, with 5 of your 15 roster spots 6'2 and under (don't let program fool you), only all-star sidelined, 1st round draft pick sidelined, 2nd best player coming off injury and not playing well... I can go on and on.

Hope they show a backbone in the 2nd half b/c it's pretty sad to be a fan right now.

jhondog28

01-03-2010, 08:12 PM

http://toolkeen.com/under_construction.JPG

TEAM UNDER CONSTRUCTION

jhondog28

01-03-2010, 08:13 PM

We've already got Murphy. You really want Murphy and Lee? We think our frontcourt is soft now, wait till opponents get a look at Murphy and Lee under the rim...

WHO SAID ANYTHING ABOUT MURPHY? PERSONALLY I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A MULLIGAN AND TAKE THE TEAM BACK TO THE 90S AND START OVER

pwee31

01-03-2010, 08:14 PM

http://i48.tinypic.com/1gkdwz.gif

Justin Tyme

01-03-2010, 08:14 PM

Hibbert was killing us when he was in. Why they decided to match him up with Lee is beyond me.

This is the same Hibbert I got chastised for saying lets not prematurely anoit Hibbert as the center of the future, b/c he had 3 good games against 3 poor teams. Come to think about it the Knicks are below 500 as well, and Lee is more of a PF than a center.

Now, I will say Lee has been a favorite of mine for the last 3 years. I wanted the Pacers to trade for him 2-3 years ago. He will cost someone a bundle of money this off season.

Thesterovic

01-03-2010, 08:15 PM

Please people don't lose it, we have a beastly C, 7th man (Rush), All Star, 6th MOTY candidate (Tyler), a top 5 pick, 35 M coming off the books next year, and probably another top pick.

jhondog28

01-03-2010, 08:18 PM

Please people don't lose it, we have a beastly C, 7th man (Rush), All Star, 6th MOTY candidate (Tyler), a top 5 pick, 35 M coming off the books next year, and probably another top pick.

I applaud your optimism, I just try and hide my pessimism through humor. The problem is that when you take the money off the books it will be hard to attract big time players to Indiana if they are this bad a team.

Justin Tyme

01-03-2010, 08:20 PM

This team is an embarrassment.

It's the team that Bird constructed.

BlueNGold

01-03-2010, 08:21 PM

We've already got Murphy. You really want Murphy and Lee? We think our frontcourt is soft now, wait till opponents get a look at Murphy and Lee under the rim...

Murphy is soft. Lee converts And-ones and shoots 60% from the floor inside the paint. That ain't soft.

ksuttonjr76

01-03-2010, 08:21 PM

Please people don't lose it, we have a beastly C, 7th man (Rush), All Star, 6th MOTY candidate (Tyler), a top 5 pick, 35 M coming off the books next year, and probably another top pick.

Positive thinking. Positive thinking. Positive thinking.

Go JOB! Bring us that Top 5 pick for the 2010 NBA draft! The summer of 2011 needs to hurry up and get here.

As a side note, how is Hibbert leading the team in assists? Shouldn't we be feeding him?

joew8302

01-03-2010, 08:22 PM

Dunleavy at least has a pulse. There is my one positive comment for this thread.

Kemo

01-03-2010, 08:24 PM

I swear if I hear "MARIO" yell out DAHNEEEEEEELOOOOOWWWW GAAAAAAHHHHLINAAAAARRRDDDIII again .. I think I am gonna Bobby Knight my bigscreeen tv with a chair..

BlueNGold

01-03-2010, 08:24 PM

Hibbert struggles because this is a worst-case matchup and the offense does not run through him...and therefore we are not taking advantage of nearly a foot of extra height and length at the C position. This is a shortcoming of our offense as much as a weakness in his game.

clownskull

01-03-2010, 08:25 PM

wow, what a seriously dreadful 1st half that was. the entire squad looked like zombies out there. when they play this bad- anyone can beat them. nights like this make me wonder if we could beat a decent college team.
from turning to watch the game and surfing the net, i keep hearing and seeing the knicks score and we keep laying bricks with no rebounding.

speakout4

01-03-2010, 08:25 PM

By the time Dantay and Brandon miss their first 10 shots we're down 15-20 points. Playing these two guys together is a disaster and the truth is Brandon should be in the D league right now.

jhondog28

01-03-2010, 08:26 PM

I swear if I hear "MARIO" yell out DAHNEEEEEEELOOOOOWWWW GAAAAAAHHHHLINAAAAARRRDDDIII again .. I think I am gonna Bobby Knight my bigscreeen tv with a chair..

beat you to it...man there bigs are absolutely making our bigs look silly

vnzla81

01-03-2010, 08:29 PM

holly crap this game is bad .............:mad:

gummy

01-03-2010, 08:29 PM

These guys look exhausted. Ugh.

This may be worse than the Miami game.

Justin Tyme

01-03-2010, 08:30 PM

We've already got Murphy. You really want Murphy and Lee? We think our frontcourt is soft now, wait till opponents get a look at Murphy and Lee under the rim...

Murphy's nickname should be Downy. I'll take Lee over Downy anytime. Lee plays in the paint, you know that thing Murphy has no knowledge about. And as shown this evening Lee has a nice outside shot as well.

jhondog28

01-03-2010, 08:31 PM

this game should force Stern to institute a mercy rule

LG33

01-03-2010, 08:33 PM

When the Knicks' announcers calls you a bad team, it really stings.

vnzla81

01-03-2010, 08:34 PM

first time this year that I see one of the point guards make a nice pass in motion, nice of diener.

jhondog28

01-03-2010, 08:34 PM

Has Rush made a shot? I dont even know what to say. I swear if I put my NBA 2010 PS game on set the computer to begginer level I think they could make it closer then this.

LG33

01-03-2010, 08:35 PM

Was there news recently of Diener being cleared to play by the training staff? As much as I love the guy, I can only hope he's being showcased as part of a bigger trade.

BlueNGold

01-03-2010, 08:36 PM

The Knicks just beat Atlanta and have gone 9-5 the last 14. They are really playing well...and yes, we are out matched. Very bad match-up for us too.

Kemo

01-03-2010, 08:36 PM

Ya I must admit, this is the absolute worst game I have EVER seen a PAcer's team play in all my years of watching them...

I REALLY hope they are embarassed and this loss stings badly...

They NEED a wakeup call ..

If it takes a game such as this... so be it...

On that note, I still love most of these guys (no homo), and believe in them..

Just not right now..

.
.

gummy

01-03-2010, 08:36 PM

the truth is Brandon should be in the D league right now.

He's been shooting 50% from 3pt land the last 8 games, shooting much better in general the last 12 games, and plays consistently good defense. I don't watch the D - are there players doing that there? Actually, they'd be doing it against lesser competition so I guess I should ask if there are any players in the D-League playing significantly better than that. If so then sure, we should send him down.

I'm seriously asking - anyone watch the DL?

Kuq_e_Zi91

01-03-2010, 08:40 PM

Murphy's nickname should be Downy. I'll take Lee over Downy anytime. Lee plays in the paint, you know that thing Murphy has no knowledge about. And as shown this evening Lee has a nice outside shot as well.

No, I agree. I wasn't comparing Murphy and Lee. I was saying that trading Roy would leave you with Murphy and Lee as your starters. That is something I would never, ever want to see.

Kemo

01-03-2010, 08:40 PM

LOL at Denari... "if this were a video game, i woulda hit the off button already" lmao

jhondog28

01-03-2010, 08:41 PM

we r gonna lose by 50? That is fireable for the coach I dont care who you are

LG33

01-03-2010, 08:41 PM

Well, this could just be the setup for the greatest 4th quarter comeback in sports history.

joew8302

01-03-2010, 08:41 PM

"If this was a video game I would have pressed the off button a long time ago" Chris Denari- pretty much sums up the night.

vnzla81

01-03-2010, 08:41 PM

can anybody start the post game thread?

jhondog28

01-03-2010, 08:41 PM

LOL at Denar... "if this were a video game, i woulda hit the off button" lmao

funny thing is I just said that

jhondog28

01-03-2010, 08:42 PM

can anybody start the post game thread?

Oh I thought this was the postgame thread.

Kemo

01-03-2010, 08:43 PM

That's pretty bad when our own announcer says that lol ...

Thesterovic

01-03-2010, 08:44 PM

Dahntay and Earls D has been turrible here lately. Yeah, them too.

McKeyFan

01-03-2010, 08:45 PM

we r gonna lose by 50? That is fireable for the coach I dont care who you are

If we can lose by less than 40, it will be like a victory.

LG33

01-03-2010, 08:46 PM

Bruno: Widest margin of defeat in Pacers history is 59 (150-91) at Golden State in 1977.

CableKC

01-03-2010, 08:48 PM

Geez Frakkin louise......I was going to catch the game later....but decided to watch it now that I had a chance to take a break. WTF is up with being down 40+ points? Geez....this is pathetic. Someone is going to have to fill me in......but there better be a good reason as to why we are down this much.

BornReady

01-03-2010, 08:48 PM

just gotta swallow this one and say 2011
come on guys, we can do it :D

McKeyFan

01-03-2010, 08:48 PM

Bruno: Widest margin of defeat in Pacers history is 59 (150-91) at Golden State in 1977.

Well, if we're gonna do something tonight, let's do it with excellence.

jhondog28

01-03-2010, 08:50 PM

Geez Frakkin louise......I was going to catch the game later....but decided to watch it now that I had a chance to take a break. WTF is up with being down 40+ points? Geez....this is pathetic. Someone is going to have to fill me in......but there better be a good reason as to why we are down this much.

Um I will paraphrase. We got outplayed in every phase of the game. And I mean every phase I am not one just to throw out cliches

PacerDude

01-03-2010, 08:54 PM

John Wall ............ John Wall ............ John Wall ............ John Wall ............ John Wall ............ John Wall ............ John Wall ............ John Wall ............ John Wall ............ John Wall ............ John Wall.

LG33

01-03-2010, 08:56 PM

Gilbert Arenas going to jail would probably be bad for my fantasy team.

Hicks

01-03-2010, 08:57 PM

John Wall ............ John Wall ............ John Wall ............ John Wall ............ John Wall ............ John Wall ............ John Wall ............ John Wall ............ John Wall ............ John Wall ............ John Wall.

Not happening.

Justin Tyme

01-03-2010, 08:58 PM

Garbage time is the whole 4th qter for the Knicks bench. Hill and Landry are in now. Only the 11th game or so Hill has been in this year. He hit a jumper already.

I hope you are watching Bird! Walsh has to be truly enjoying this game.

speakout4

01-03-2010, 09:00 PM

He's been shooting 50% from 3pt land the last 8 games, shooting much better in general the last 12 games, and plays consistently good defense. I don't watch the D - are there players doing that there? Actually, they'd be doing it against lesser competition so I guess I should ask if there are any players in the D-League playing significantly better than that. If so then sure, we should send him down.

I'm seriously asking - anyone watch the DL?
tonight
2-11 fg-a
0-4 3pt-a
He stands around and seems hesitant to shoot unless there is no one near him.

Kuq_e_Zi91

01-03-2010, 09:01 PM

Gilbert Arenas going to jail would probably be bad for my fantasy team.

I'll trade you TMac for him.

I found this Arenas orange Bullets jersey in my closet the other day... definitely rockin' that one of these days.

CableKC

01-03-2010, 09:01 PM

I really hope that Price and McRoberts finish out the game. At least give them the garbage time that they deserve.

jhondog28

01-03-2010, 09:02 PM

oh no not 50! it is almost comical

Thesterovic

01-03-2010, 09:03 PM

Price w/ the Dream Shake.

CableKC

01-03-2010, 09:05 PM

I hope you are watching Bird! Walsh has to be truly enjoying this game.
Seriously, I don't ever want the Pacers to lose games.....but we are in such bad shape that I actually want Bird to see us lose by 50+ points just to drive home that point.

Sometimes people need some strong "smelling salts" just to wake up and see how bad things are....

LG33

01-03-2010, 09:05 PM

This is a record-breaking Pacers squad!

gummy

01-03-2010, 09:07 PM

tonight
2-11 fg-a
0-4 3pt-a
He stands around and seems hesitant to shoot unless there is no one near him.

Yes, I'm aware that he's not been any good on offense tonight. Pretty much no one wearing blue and gold has. I assumed your statement about sending Rush to the D-League would be based on more than one (tonight's) game, so I thought you might find the recent data useful. Oh well.

jmoney2584

01-03-2010, 09:08 PM

Price w/ the Dream Shake.

Yea, that was nice. Rondo uses that quite a bit and I always thought it looked cool AND was effective as well. If Price employs that regularly then I am buying his jersey. Hell, we just need Hakeem to sit down with Hibbert, Hans, McRob, and Solo...that'd be outstanding haha.

EDIT: As I mention buying his jersey he brings the hustle strip and layup. Love this kid.

jhondog28

01-03-2010, 09:09 PM

did anyone come close to 43 points on guess the score?

IndySDExport

01-03-2010, 09:12 PM

John Wall ............ John Wall ............ John Wall ............ John Wall ............ John Wall ............ John Wall ............ John Wall ............ John Wall ............ John Wall ............ John Wall ............ John Wall.

We still have a better record than Philly, New Jersey (3-30), Golden State, and Minnesota. So, good luck with that.
:suicide3:

PacerDude

01-03-2010, 09:12 PM

Not happening.Ye of little faith.

Justin Tyme

01-03-2010, 09:14 PM

Finally, the agony is over!!!!! 43 point loss to an under .500 team.

jmoney2584

01-03-2010, 09:20 PM

Finally, the agony is over!!!!! 43 point loss to an under .500 team.

Really? ....

speakout4

01-03-2010, 09:23 PM

Yes, I'm aware that he's not been any good on offense tonight. Pretty much no one wearing blue and gold has. I assumed your statement about sending Rush to the D-League would be based on more than one (tonight's) game, so I thought you might find the recent data useful. Oh well.
Last 5 games which was all I could find: 31% from the 3 and 39% overall. Is this an improvement from what? Not SG acceptable stats. My point was you can't play D. Jones and Rush at the same time because they can't shoot and they are supposed to be shooters. Playing these two together is asking to fall behind.

BlueNGold

01-03-2010, 09:31 PM

Finally, the agony is over!!!!! 43 point loss to an under .500 team.

An under .500 team that's gone 9-5 the last 14 including beating the Hawks at Atlanta. ...with rest beating an undermanned Pacer team on a back-to back. Not that surprising.

Dece

01-03-2010, 09:59 PM

A 43 point loss is ALWAYS that surprising. No team in the NBA should lose to any other this badly.

Trophy

01-03-2010, 10:00 PM

This was honestly one of the worst Pacer losses I have seen.

Thank god I didn't go there tonight and witness it in person.

If Danny did not go down with that injury, we would probably have about 14 or 15 wins.