LastLegend wrote:So far no other human have become Buddha. So Buddha was Buddha and was here to teach. Part of the enactment.

That's my reasoning.

Umm, many other humans have become Buddhas. Even according to the Pali Cannon Buddha Shakyamuni was the 4th Buddha of this world system. Then Mahayana talks of many, many Buddhas and details their lives as humans on the path prior to attaining Buddhahood.

Take the female Buddha Tara for instance, who as the practitioner Jnana Chandra/Yeshe Dawa/Wisdom Moon vowed to attain Buddhahood in a human female form and to always manifest in female form to make evident to women that their Buddha nature and potential to realize enlightenment is in no way inferior to that of men. Or consider the Licchavi Vimalakirti. In the Vimalakirti Nirdesha sutra the Buddha himself told Manjushri and other Bodhisattvas that Vimalakirti was every bit as enlightened as he was. These are just two easy examples.

Tashi delek,

In addition to your reply, there are also Buddhas on earth who were straight emantions from a Samboghakaya form.They did not "became Buddha" but showed by their practical live examples the different related paths.

Some of us have sure some examples from those emanations.I have sometimes a problem with the emanation Tulku in the form of an emation of for instance Djampal Djang / Manjushri.But that is what we already have discussed in all colours.But a Sambhogakaya emanation that is mostly a Buddha or one who shows to become a Buddha done by the so called self liberation etc., all in all very clear to me.

Maybe are there more ways to meet Buddhas on earth?

Best wishesKY

THOUGH A MAN BE LEARNEDIF HE DOES NOT APPLY HIS KNOWLEDGEHE RESEMBLES THE BLIND MANWHO WITH A LAMP IN THE HAND CANNOT SEE THE ROAD

LastLegend wrote:So far no other human have become Buddha. So Buddha was Buddha and was here to teach. Part of the enactment.

That's my reasoning.

Umm, many other humans have become Buddhas. Even according to the Pali Cannon Buddha Shakyamuni was the 4th Buddha of this world system. Then Mahayana talks of many, many Buddhas and details their lives as humans on the path prior to attaining Buddhahood.

Seems to me that achieving Buddhahood and manifesting as a Buddha are two different things. So I think it is problematic to say there has only been one human (in historical times) to have achieved Buddhahood. Many Indian and Tibetan practitioners are believed to have achieved Buddhahood in Their lifetimes. However, that does not mean They manifested the 82 major and all the minor marks nor that They displayed all the acts of a Buddha. From this POV, Shakyamuni did not achieve Buddhahood in his lifetime as Gautama Siddhartha. He merely displayed the way to Buddhahood during this "reign."

"No, World Honored One . There is no such thing as Perfect Enlightenment to obtain. If a Perfectly Enlightened Buddha were to say to himself, 'I am enlightened' he would be admitting there is an individual person, a separate self and personality, and would therefore not be a Perfectly Enlightened Buddha."

YES HE WAS ...and yes others have attained enlightenment sutra is pointing see it and do it .

the posting from caveman speaking of leaving wife and son behind in the middle of the night ...NO HINDRANCE

keeping the mind in perfect tranquility and free from any attachment to appearances.""So I say to you - This is how to contemplate our conditioned existence in this fleeting world:""Like a tiny drop of dew, or a bubble floating in a stream; Like a flash of lightning in a summer cloud, Or a flickering lamp, an illusion, a phantom, or a dream.""So is all conditioned existence to be seen."Thus spoke Buddha.

"No, World Honored One . There is no such thing as Perfect Enlightenment to obtain. If a Perfectly Enlightened Buddha were to say to himself, 'I am enlightened' he would be admitting there is an individual person, a separate self and personality, and would therefore not be a Perfectly Enlightened Buddha."

YES HE WAS ...and yes others have attained enlightenment sutra is pointing see it and do it .

the posting from caveman speaking of leaving wife and son behind in the middle of the night ...NO HINDRANCE

Tashi delek,

Yes according the Tibetans it is a good deed if a man or woman leaves their homes and become a monk / nun.So here is not at all a bad deed seen in the TIbetan culture. All in all a very positive deed to leave home and exchange it for the monastery, a honour for the family anyway.

The highest goal in life would be the exchange of illusion for a better understanding and way of living. Emancipation is never a hindrance and if it is a hindrance then this stems out of an unrealised mind, i guess so.

Best wishesKY

THOUGH A MAN BE LEARNEDIF HE DOES NOT APPLY HIS KNOWLEDGEHE RESEMBLES THE BLIND MANWHO WITH A LAMP IN THE HAND CANNOT SEE THE ROAD

caveman wrote:And you Sir are only guessing about why the buddha did what he did. Deeds Speak and you can make up all the reasons but Sir you will never convince a woman that leaving your wife and child for the dharma is OK. They do not consider this enlightened or compassion in action.

They call it cowardly!

cowardly is turning your back on the suffering of billions, to secure the approval of two. cowardly is, having done that, watching them die in confusion, unable to do anything about it, after ensuring they lived the lives of chattels and menial servants tasked with waiting on you hand and foot, all the while clutching your "manly nobility" and "duty" to your withered chest.

cowardly is turning your back on the suffering of billions, to secure the approval of two. cowardly is, having done that, watching them die in confusion, unable to do anything about it, after ensuring they lived the lives of chattels and menial servants tasked with waiting on you hand and foot, all the while clutching your "manly nobility" and "duty" to your withered chest.

cowardly is turning your back on the suffering of billions, to secure the approval of two. cowardly is, having done that, watching them die in confusion, unable to do anything about it, after ensuring they lived the lives of chattels and menial servants tasked with waiting on you hand and foot, all the while clutching your "manly nobility" and "duty" to your withered chest.