Ayakil - Came, saw, didn't quite conquer. 05:17, 14 March 2009 (UTC) This would be a one way flood for Bahamut. Would have been better using something like Yiazmat as Judge Balthier said.

Sadly, this will be a evident brutal win for Bahamut. Tiamat (Final Fantasy VIII) is the female Bahamut. She appears in various games, usually as a multi-headed dragon boss. I like her "story" in FFVIII. She took the opposite path than Bahamut, voluntary G.F., but joined Ultimecia. Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 00:21, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

I like the idea of Tiamat duking with a legendary beast, but against Bahamut? That's not much of a fight. Maybe Tiamat versus another Elemental Fiend (I/IX or IV). ClixPsi

Who in this universe would suggest a fight between 'excalibur' and 'excali(pur/poor) User:GabbianiSoul

Meta-ZWhile I have to admit that the concept is funny, I honestly don't see how Excalipur would win. It does exactly 1 damage, so I don't think Excalibur would lose unless Excalipur got a pre-emptive strike and Excalibur only had 1 HP.

PaladinCecil 07:31, 28 January 2009 (UTC) Same reason as always; Rosa very likely will not win. People simply do not like her. Plus like last time, I'm not eager to see people who hate her vote for Maria then throw the word "whore" around about Rosa despite how that's the exact opposite of everything the character is like or about.

PaladinCecil: Stop stirring the goddamn pot and support your favorite character already. This is how debacles like the last one get started. - DeadlySlashSword 17:41, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

I support my favorite character in all things. I do not support situations that will undoubtedly lead to re-stating the obvious (that people don't like her) with some smearing of what she's like thrown in for flavor. PaladinCecil 23:21, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Do you seriously think that she'll lose against any character in the DNC? - DeadlySlashSword 23:32, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

She might have a chance against something people care about even less than her, though I can't think of anything where it wouldn't turn into a case of "LOL let's vote for the Elder Treant because it would be funny to see her lose to a random monster." PaladinCecil 00:04, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

You have to keep in mind that this is a wiki and not just another fansite. People here actually have common sense, and I highly doubt anything like that would happen. You have to learn to trust people more. No person who has actually contributed a fair amount to this wiki wouldn't stoop that low and actually mean it.- DeadlySlashSword 02:23, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Read what people said about Rosa in old DNC matches. These matches are biased. All about favoritism, which is governed by how much characters have been overhyped or slandered since they were created. Rosa will lose. It would be nice to be able to trust people. I've only been given reason not to. I'm tired of seeing how much people hate this character because she's "cliche," or "clingy," or "dresses like a super slut," or whatever else about her gets twisted into negatives. Tired of people acting like she doesn't matter and shouldn't have been created. I'm tired of seeing it, so I'm not supporting another chance for people to take potshots. Done. PaladinCecil 02:40, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Rosa didn't have a chance against Lulu. Against Maria, however, I truly believe that Rosa will win. If this fight makes it to the DNC, you will see for yourself that this is a fair fight. But I know how this will end. If Rosa does win, you'll complain that it was a meaningless victory over a character no one cares about. What you desire can never be obtained. That's why we all want this to be settled once and for all with this fight, and hope that you can be satisfied with that. But deep down, we know you never will, and the eternal struggle will continue. - DeadlySlashSword 03:46, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

What I desire is Rosa not being in the DNC again at all, and instead given a shot at being on the main page in some way that isn't going to be synonymous with "hey, come check out how we all think this other character's a million times better than Rosa." And you're right. The only section that could accomplish that is Featured Articles, and her article will never be one. What I desire can never be obtained. PaladinCecil 03:51, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

I have tried FFIV lots of times and I only get up to the spoony bard each time and then give up because I don't like the game but from what I remember of Rosa in those 1 or two hours she seems really useless being in bed all the time. I don't like this game.--BigCubby 15:52, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Up to "spoony bard" isn't enough time to see all of what she's like, and it takes more than merely watching events unfold to see what Rosa offers to the game. Much of what makes her so special and meaningful is subtle and in the gaps of the game, as opposed to more popular characters where their influence is shoved front and center. PaladinCecil 16:35, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

ROSA WOULD BEAT MARIA DEPENDING ON WHAT SPELLS YOU GIVE MARIA ROSA USES SHELL PROTECT REFLECT WALL BLINK YOU NAME IT AND THEN MARIA CAN'T TOUCH HER WITH ANYTHING THEN ROSA JUST CASTS HOLY THE REST OF THE TIME.

Munk451 this seems like a good idea, two of the most optimistic characters pitted against each other.

Ok! I HATE Selphie and i fatasize over Rikku! (not literally people), Rikku would win so lets battle it to proove it... btw, other then my sister, who does like Selphie? Leonhart178 03:50, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm always up for a good catfight, especially between tweedle ditz and tweedle dumbass Derum

TheBlueDragoon Anyone who knows me will say this is a good fight. I have a thing for the spunky females, especially Rikku and Selphie. Its just a fight of who the people like more.TheBlueDragoon 04:11, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

This fight sounds more balanced than a lot of the others. It'd be interesting. ClixPsi

I keep forgetting who Selphie is... but now I remember! I'll give it a vote. KuzlalalaSquee! 05:22, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

just the troops, no cecil/ kain (this is because everyone would vote kain and there would be no competition. this is to see which ORGANIZATION is better) R. Wings get airships, but the slightly bad ones at the beginning of the game w/out guns.User:Last tsurugi

Adel is not important. That ultimate-motherf*****-badass Sorceress is defeated right after being freed. As for Edea and Ultimecia, well I'd like it, but I think VIII and VII are banished from the DNC for a while^^ -Alarielle- 23:33, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

She was bad because she used to be a Gestahlian General - you even see her alongside Gestahl in Terra's memories early in the game. That's why Kefka suggests she was a double-agent in the Magitek factory and why he offers to take her back on the Floating Continent. RowdyCMoore

I wouldn't really consider that bad. Just a different side.--BigCubby 19:32, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Fair enough, but you can say the same about Cecil. Ultimately, they're both commanders with good hearts forced to do bad things by their rulers (Cecil invades Mysidia, Celes torches Maranda), and their guilt drives them to rebel against those rulers. That's probably a better way to describe these two. Rowdy

Are we talking Paladin Cecil? Or Dark Knight Cecil? User: Kuponutter
The character itself. The person. Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 00:03, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

I thought it was only for Dissidia and was ready to reject, but good explanation. Too bad you finally mentioned Dissidia. I HATE fighting both of them in Dissidia. Anyway. -Alarielle- 23:35, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

I tried suggesting this fight before, but it somehow got deleted off the marque...oh well. I'm happy that people are supporting yours now. Cheers! Can't wait to see what arguments people will come up with! I'm pretty much undecided right now! Violetmage

Terra had dealt with the Final Fantasy clown (literally). Now, can Terra face the Final Fantasy shakespearean poet/transvesite? Also, well Kuja "destroy" Terra....again (if you know what I mean)? Squallinoa 08 05:27, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

These two actually have a lot in common there both contend to a summon (Terra Maduin & Faris Syldra) they have two different hair colors (both blond, Terra green and Faris purple) and Yoshitaka Amano's favorite design.NeoBahamutZEROX 01:17, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

How can you not find Archades ? You simply have to follow the path, if I remember well. Look for Sohen-something and a false hunt outside, it'll open you the way. -Alarielle- 15:53, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

I can find it , I know the way I just took a wrong turn and haven't found the time to look for it.--BigCubby 18:33, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

@Alarielle: Nah, he (spoilers ahead) is just a human experiment who went mad and burned a city down to ashes, killed a man who standed by there, and then almost killed his comrade. Later he just took control over the most destructive alien organism the multiverse had ever known, absorbed all its powers and used them to make it his puppet. With it he killed the president of the organisation that ruled the world. He impaled a giant serpent with this puppet and then he attracted all the alien cells that were scattered all around the world to the place where he was crystalized (that means he did this all without even moving), not to mention he killed a main protagonist. Later gained control over the protagonist's mind so he would give him an artifact to destroy the entire world. Inmediatly after he summoned a giant meteorite to gain even more power and be what normal people calls "god", thus awakening some organisms that could blow the planet away if they tried, and he didn't die even when the protagonist sliced him to death. You're right, that's nothing to be fond of. --- User: Zak Undersn --- 16:12, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

And yet Auron resisted both death and the fate of the undead in exactly the same manner as his game's greatest and second-greatest villains, while using the most destructive force in two or more universes as a mode of travel. And all of that was AFTER he crawled all the way up and all the way down a mountain with a fatal would and was still intelligible enough to convince a less-than-fluent-in-Spiran and extremely stubborn Ronso with childhood issues to change his entire life goal to protecting some toddler all the way across the world. Face it. This is a battle between the hero and villain versions of cool. —MasterConjurer 02:07, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, whatever, but he's from FFX. Even though Auron might be the character I consider less scum-y from FFX. In fact, when i said "c) It's Auron" I was thinking in "c) It's FFX" --- User: Zak Undersn --- 18:12, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Should I? I mean, I watched the whole "final dungeon" (Sin), the lamest final battle ever, the ending and those things. If I stopped playing when Sin used Ultramegadupersupergravija and killed all my party because his e-penis was too big to fit into the game was because I already knew what was going to happen after that and I loved (and still love) too much my eyes and mind to destroy them like that by watching it happen again. Anyway, if I didn't, how would that help? --- User: Zak Undersn --- 22:13, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

So you didn't finish it because you hate it for beating you?! That is the lamest, saddest, most emo thing I have ever heard! You, sir (or madam), are quite literally (that is, by definition) a loser! Not to mention that I and many, many others won that battle on the first try.

First: sign your edits. Second: I like Sin, I don't want to kill it. He's maybe the most charismatic character on the game. Third: I don't care losing, but if I lose only because the enemy had the caprice of using an attack that would kill me even if I had max HP, I just think the game is even more poor than I thought. Fourth: FFX is lame in almost every way (exclude battle and Aeon systems and the rest is just... amazingly boring). Fifth: Can you read my last edit? I already knew what was going to happen, and I thought that my mind was having enough trouble just accepting Seymour as a character. FFX's ending is just a failure of epic proportions, why would someone want to watch it twice? Why would I bother trying to beat Sin if I just didn't wanted to see again what was going to happen? FFX just doesn't deserve it.

You are entitled to your own opinion. That just doesn't change the fact that Final Fantasy X is—and always will be—the greatest game conceived by a human being. —MasterConjurer 20:18, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

I've had the rare treat of enjoying every one of the games. There are others here who have, as well. Here's a hint at how to do it: don't cheat by looking up the endings before you've proven yourself worthy. Also, stop jacking off to long haired men in leather. —MasterConjurer 23:51, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

What are you, some kind of awareness knight of ye olde times? I didn't watched it because I wanted to, you know. I was just in the wrong place at the wrong time, two years after FFX was released, everyone knew the FFX ending, and a friend just beat the final dungeon to show me how lame Yu Yevon was. And, in fact, he is, like the entire game. --- User: Zak Undersn --- 00:25, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Yu Yevon was easy for a reason. It occurs right after a harder battle after which you can't save. I don't even consider it the practical end boss. Also, the ending story was awesome. When it was first reached in my neighborhood, weeping was involved. (There were many people in the room, and of both genders.) It is a more touching scene than any movie ever created could match, and Nobuo Uematsu's favorite ever (He said so). That's actually why people play X (and don't make fun of this reason). It's because it has the best story, supported by the best technology to bring out the story. —MasterConjurer 00:43, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

I don't even know where should I start laughing. --- User: Zak Undersn --- 00:51, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

I started laughing way up there. Were you taking this conversation seriously? I only wanted to humorously mirror your comment above, but you kept replying. To be perfectly honest, I don't really know you well enough to insult you, in my opionion. —MasterConjurer 00:54, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

I never take anything seriously. And less on internet. But boy, if you really believe all those things you said you should look for professional help. And I say this seriously indeed. FFX's story is about a boy who's a dream and whose name isn't even mentioned during the game, a girly who summons things, Booby McBreasts the gothic guardian who gets married with a orange-haired freak, an animal thing without horn, a stupid girl who steals, a dead bodyguard and a gay enemy who looks like a collage of all other FF villains on an emo rage. How would that be good, and how can that be touching? You must be kidding, I refuse to believe someone could take that seriously. The game was entertaining thanks to the ability and battle systems, I dont hate it, it's just the story is awful. I left it unfinished because I didn't have any reason to beat it. And I've been laughing since the first post, why wouldn't I? --- User: Zak Undersn --- 01:08, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Although I was exaggerating some info about it, I did enjoy the game. Please don't let your disliking of it intrude too far upon my liking of it. —MasterConjurer 01:40, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, I just want to make a comment about this: "Yu Yevon was easy for a reason. It occurs right after a harder battle after which you can't save". Do you know that every FF (except X), and most RPGs, have final battles with multiple bosses in sequence between which you can't save? You know, to make them a bit hard. If you really think that is a good reason to make you fight ten-twenty minutes in a "final battle" without the possibility to die, be careful with, for example... FFIV (2 hard bosses in sequence), FFV (2), FFVI (3), FFVIII (4 battles extremely hard without using heroic salts, or whatever it was in english; and you cannot be overleveled, all the enemies in the game level up with you), FFIX (3), Legend of Dragoon (4), Tales of the Abyss (2)... And also, RPGs are not the only ones with final battles with various stages: many Action, Adventure, Fighting and more, have the same system. Even Dissidia (vs Chaos, you must fight 3 times). The auto-Auto-Raise state was a wrong decission, specially in a game in which you can have >9999 damage and health, and all your characters can revive or heal the others (even without items). It make you feel insulted. Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 01:33, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

He was semi-right about the boss fight. After Braska's Final Aeon (who was essentially a multi-staged fight himself), I would have been pissed if I had to fight all of my Aeons & Yu Yevon (who can use Ultima) without a save. However, I think the primary reason is because he & the aeons were meant to be a dramatic element of the story, not a difficult final boss. And I have to critique what you said: a lot of the time, final bosses are actually pretty easy. The 99,999 health & ultimate weapons with at least 100 superpowers are meant for hiddden bosses. Most players simply do not have the characters properly decked out to deal with that kind of situation. I, for one, died a lot when fighting my aeons, the first time I got to that part of the fight. I'm probably not even really equipped for that kind of a fight now, minus the fact that I can use ultima & such to keep the aeons from using their overdrives.Neo Bahamut 01:53, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Both of these villains possess a mysterious, otherworldly quality and remain generally silent throughout the course of their respective games. Also, they both have a strong, powerful influence over the people in their worlds, and they both can look pretty grotesque (remember Jenova LIFE and Jenova Synthesis?). Rydiaofmist

Alright, since no one wants to reject, I will. I really see no difference similarites between these two beside the fact that they both wear armor we can't see thier faces. And do you guys really think Exdeath stands a chance against Golbez? I don't. - +DeadlySlashSword+ 14:23, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Not quite the same as Palom vs Parom, because those two at least have separate personalities. Zorn and Thorn have no differing traits save for speech patterns and colour. (And this fight WOULD just come down to colour.)--JohnnyC 04:13, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Zorn and Thorn are the most annoying little shits ever ' i do not know ' 'know i do not' SHUT UP User:Yojimbo and diagoro

Jenova isn't a goddess, and I can't see any way that these two can relate. --JohnnyC 04:11, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

How are they related to each other ? Don't understand. Anyway, Cosmos rocks and is sexy. Jenova is a monstruous woman-like thing with tentacles. Too bad it has to be rejected as Dissidia isn't released outside Japan. -Alarielle- 17:59, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Yea, well this idea sucks, but nowadays we have less ideas in the DNC than fossil fuel on earth. So, lets just settle this "Pirate vs Ninja" crap once and for all. And since the only pirates here are Balthier, Vaan, Bikke and Faris, Setzer is the only "piratety" character who is on the same class as Shadow

By two most powerful i just meant that they were the final bosses/main villains. but thanks, do i put my bit in support too even though i suggested it?

Yes, you can support your own suggestions. By the way, Sin is neither the main villain (Seymour) nor the final boss (Yu Yevon) of its game. —MasterConjurer 20:39, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

i'd have said that seymour was [I]a[/I] main villain, but Sin was [I]the[/I] main villain. Sin is the thing that the entire world of spira and the plot revolves around. he's the cause of seymour's villainy etc... that to me makes him more of a villain. and he's done far more harm to the world than seymour did, even in the course of the game. more damage to the characters even. and yu yevon doesn't really count as a final boss to me either, even though he technically is, because it's impossible to lose, and BFA isn't as powerful as Sin. I'm actually not even talking about the boss fights, i dunno why i'm rambling on. I meant more like just the movies etc. Like at operation mi'hen for sin, when he beats all the machina and kills all the crusaders, or the bit when vayne becomes the undying, and he destroys an airship easily, but completely by accident. sorry... went on a bit there. lol.

Just let's see if Summoning master fights a Magic master? Actually it's about esper vs. esper. Rydia summons espers while Terra is a half esper. What will happen?Red-yellow-striped-apple 16:37, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

In addition, they are the only two summoners to have called Ixion so far. —MasterConjurer 01:49, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

As the one who suggest, I support this idea. O yeah forgot about Ixion. Also I know that both of them have bahamut as their strongest summon ( well, Kaze has a bahamut-like summon was called Gun Dragon in the series)

Yuna will win, but I still think it's an interesting idea. - DeadlySlashSword 20:02, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Anything with Kaze in it is good for me. I've tried to make just about every sort of combination with Kaze in it, but failed each time. Hope this works. Pikmin Master 20:16, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Yuna will win, but that's enough for me to vote. And voter #2 above, Yuna's most powerful summon is Anima. Because her Overdrives attacks many, many times instead of one. Magus Sisters are the only one who can challenge Anima.-Alarielle- 20:56, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

I dunno about this. I found the tv show highly unmemorable. I couldn't even finish it, myself. (Plus, I found Ixion to be a very disappointing replacement for Ramuh.)--JohnnyC 07:35, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Personally, I'm not interested cuz I think Yuna is a way better summoner than Kaze, and I'm not a big fan of FF Unlimited. ~ Anonymous

Once again, the founder does not support his or her own idea. —MasterConjurer 01:50, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Hey its memorable, it's the first FF i saw (im only 14... and i saw the anime when i was in grade 3). but hey, i respect your thoughts. To Master Conjurer what do you mean about what you said? i just don't understand.Devil Breaker 10:54, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Whenever I support a fight, it seems the person who came up with it hasn't supported it yet. When that happens, I leave a reminder of sorts in the comments. —MasterConjurer 20:22, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Thx 4 reminding em Master Conjurer. to Alarielle sorry about that, i forgot about Anima but of course, they both got bahamut.(well Gun Dragon for Kaze) Devil Breaker 04:51, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

I hope this fight will work coz my first idea but I never put in here was Celes vs Quistis vs Beatrix the three female wielders of Save the Queen (^^.)Devil Breaker 11:19, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

It's a shame, not many people are into XI around here, yet it's the most story intensive game of the series. And there are some pretty cool character within it.Anony

It better be the most immense for 15 bux a month.--BigCubby 22:32, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm sick of people rejecting fights and not giving a reason why in general. Just because no one plays FFXI here besides TA doesn't mean you all should hate it. - DeadlySlashSword 19:34, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

To be honest, people do that on the DNC proper, too. This is just kinda the preliminary popularity contest. Just like with the anons not signing their URLs, this is also a fact about it that isn't changing any time soon. Wenn ich die Chance hätte, würde es, aber ich habe sie nicht.—MasterConjurer 23:13, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

To think I agree with Deadlyslashsword, if you're voting on the Reject place because you don't know the character, just don't vote or put it on the comments place. I also don't know Prishe and know Shantotto from dissidia, but I would support for it if Anony deserves it.Maybe I'm such a big mouth, but this is the reality I've found before.--Red-yellow-striped-apple 09:16, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

EMERALD's harder, and hardest boss? This guy can rape them all at once without blinking. 00:50, 26 February 2009 (UTC) Leon5550

Hahaha... it's what, 3rd or 4th times it pops out ? And hardest bosses in the series... Have you tried ... let's say Yiazmat in XII, Penance in X or things like them ? -Alarielle- 11:07, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Hey only Ricard Highwind had a last name in FFII... if Leon's last name was hart (And they're all brothers-- That includes Firion) Then their names would turnout Maria Hart Guy Hart and Firion Hart... (Firion and Guy were adopted to their family of course)Devil Breaker 09:26, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Leon's name in the NES version is called LeonHart, so Hart is not his last name but part of his first name. GRIEVER POWER 10:33, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Cosmos is many thing, but certainly not minor. She's the reason why during all the story of Dissidia. You fight because she asked you to save the world, and then to avenge her for being killed by Chaos. Of course there are personal reasons, the sake of the world and blah blah blah. But still. -Alarielle- 11:24, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

You could blow Cosmos away of dissidia and dissidia would still exist without the need of any other character taking her role, that's what I call a minor character.--- User: Zak Undersn --- 16:38, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

If Cosmos didn't exist, SE would have create another reason for all the heroes and villains to be in the thirteenth world. Thus, Cosmos makes the game what it is,--Werefang 14:35, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Then try suggesting that fight. There are two major reasons to click the link that takes you here. One of them is
suggesting fights. The other one is to vote in favor of, or else against, such fights.
Actually, Holy never came close to stopping meteor. It was released too late. Lifestream did all of the work.AJWerefang 15:44, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

First off, whoever claims that Yuffie is not a ninja just isn't paying attention. A ninja is in fact a Japanese theif, plain and simple. There is no spirit. Second, though Shadow would obviously win(why does everyone hate Yuffie,anyway?) this is a truly interesting idea.AJ Werefang

Okay, "here." (This was my idea, I'm voting for it.)

Yuffie is a ninja, how would someone not see that? She's from a Japan-like country off the edge of the world, she steals, she wields a giant shuriken and she hides wherever she can. What else do you need? --- User: Zak Undersn --- 13:27, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Though battle, good idea. I love both. Rai Balmung, the gargoyle 23:59, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Once again, the person whose idea the fight was is not present under Support. —MasterConjurer 05:06, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
Proof that Yuffie is a ninja can be found on page 10 of the players' manual that comes with Final Fantasy VII. "Yuffie Kisaragi, Job: Materia Hunter, Ninja" //masterConjurer (Talk) 20:36, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Uhh... Shadow would win hands down? Let's see Shadow stand up to All Creation, Ninja of Wind. He can only have 9999 HP, and, just so you know, Yuffie with the Conformer does 9999+ damage when she uses All Creation. Shadow has Interceptor, and doesn't need shitty materia to throw things, and can use swords that do much more damage than Yuffie's oversized Shuriken. Might even be a tie (because while Yuffie's limit meter fills, Shadow gets to do all that damage.) This seemed fair when I suggested it as an anonymous user so very long ago.The.DreadnoughT 00:25, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Limit meters fill the more damage is done. Just sayin'.Neo Bahamut 00:34, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

They don't go down when you heal someone. That's what...let's see here...Full-Cure materia, Restore materia, about half the [useful] items, the Regen status, HP-Absorb... are for. And, not just from damage. You ever actually complete VII, Neo Bahamut? In that final joke-boss battle with 1 HP Human Sephiroth, Cloud's Limit Meter fills all on its own. When it fills, you have about 1 second to press [OK] and use Omnislash, then go nuts on Sephiroth, or else Sephiroth smacks you silly with his sword (he may only have 1 HP, but still does wicked damage) and Cloud retaliates and kills him.

Yes, I completed FFVII. Don't insult me. I know Limit Meters don't go down when you heal, and that was a special instance. Alright, if we're going to be anal about this, Limit meters fill "when anger builds." In a gameplay sense, that's when you do damage, or receive damage. Minus that one instance where it auto-fills, there are no exceptions to that rule. And the battle isn't a joke. It's a plot thing. Sephiroth is trying to steal Cloud's body by assaulting his mind, & it's showing that Cloud's will has strengthened to the point where Sephiroth can no longer control him. Now, what is your point?Neo Bahamut 23:41, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Ok first this not VII vs VIII fight the Ultima Weapon has in more Final Fantasy games than jest VII and second both of these blades are powerful weapon that their from.NeoBahamutZEROX 22:08, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

I like the idea, but find another explanation. I admit you don't mean VII's Ultima Weapon (anyway, for me Ultima Weapon is and always will be Tidus's one). But then, why Lion Heart ? Why not Cecil's Ragnarok for instance ? Lion Heart is still much derived from Ultima Weapon. Plus, I don't see how you can prefer a precise ultimate weapon. It'll go back to Gunblade vs "sword the Ultima weapon is in the game you want it to be". -Alarielle- 11:30, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

lionheart is in one game. Ultima weapon is in several. Lionheart vs. Caladbolg would make more sense, but even that was SUPPOSED to be the Ultima Weapon (but I like the English better.)Neo Bahamut 00:34, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Actually this combo is somewhat different than Excalibur and Excalipur. Excalipur very weak(worst weapon actually) while Maramasa is useful until you get a better sword. AJ Werefang 21:25, 3 March 2009 (UTC)