26 Responses to “Regretters”

The issues of a tiny minority who regret transision need to properly examined.

But comments such as: ‘But the bandage fell off, and I saw that everything was gone. And I cried.’ or ‘I expected everything to be fantastic. My problem would go away.’ make no prositve contribution at all.

Bluetraveler claims transgender is a cult. If that were the case, they would be actively recruiting members.

It is a disservice to society that such an important topic should be treated in such a trite and frivilous manner.

At least twenty percent of post SRS patients express regret. Many commit suicide. These men were too terrified to speak up for years, even though they wanted to. Terrified of what? Terrified of being shunned and demonized by the trans community who harass and target those trans people who publicly detransition. So thank you for your note complaining about a comment a trans person made that you did not like in a trailer for a film you did not see.

I never claimed that transsexuality is a cult. “Gender” however is an invention in whatever form you put it (“genderqueer”, “transgender”, “cisgender”…I distinguish transsexuality from transgenderism). Trans support sites often end up being cult sites though, and they do recruit in subtle or not so subtle ways.

Regretter are the dirty little secret of sex change surgery.
Part of the problem are the enablers.Most Gender specialists will tell you if you have
Gender id disorder the only choice is sex change. IT is a load of crap. +
The thinking is if you get a sex change it will make your miserable male life so much better being a women.

They will never tell you the negative sides of a sex change. and there are quite a few; depression, having no pee pee ,it really doesn’t cure anything. ect.
the regretters need to be heard not just the pro sex change transsexuals crowd.

I quess the regretters are a touchy subject for the so called happy post ops and their enablers. too f***ing bad.

now they are extending the sex change mania to children. That is sad.
trans people should get psychotherapy before they see a gender specialist.
Beware. The gender specialist will almost always recommend SRS.
the sex change industry is a big money maker for gender specialists . Some are just out to make a buck and don’t care about their patients. There are many post ops who have to go back for more therapy even the so called happy ones. how convient

Nice find. How detransitioners are seen by trans communities is pretty much proof they are a cult. If they weren’t, they’d welcome them and spread their stories to all the masses of unsure transitioners instead of the usual “TRANZPHOBIIIIAAA!” parade.
The trailer also highlights how these two men transitioned so that they could escape the “male role” – something I’ve found interests lots of MTFs, but they never talk ). There’s no “male or female role” beyond what you make it out to be – it’s something constructed and if you stop believing in it it will go away.

Thanks Noan- yes, it was just released, it was on somebody’s top films of 2010 list.
It’s amazing that it hasn’t been censored by transjacktivists the way Catherine Crouch’s “Gendercator” was censored by the Frameline LGBT film festival a few years ago due to complaints from transjacktivists (who had never actually seen the film they were demanding censorship of). Maybe because the filmmaker is not a lesbian? Or a woman? If there’s any voices transjacktivists (I made that word up- must overuse it now, lol) if there’s any voices they want to silence it’s the voices of lesbians and women, on whose backs they are standing.

Catherine Crouch Catherine Crouch Catherine Crouch. If only she would sign up for YouTube’s “Partner Program” and post a Gendercator trailer she would make a couple of nickles off the guaranteed million views.

Hell, if you hadn’t mentioned it here, I would never have heard of it. The fags and transjacktivists (brilliant) destroyed the LGB film festival I helped found and run in my hometown, so I almost never see any mention of these little gems anymore. THAT is a story for another day.

That was some great commentary by Crouch at the link you posted Noan. The music for The Gendercator sounds great too- Rare Earth, Ozzie and Led Zepplin covered by women. Maybe some day we’ll all get to see it. It’s amazing how virulently transjacktivists try to silence feminist voices. I remember when Mary Daly died some of them were actually protesting the publishing of her OBITUARY. Fucking sick.

The director had spoken to a transsexual activist and she said.
“It’s easy to feel frightened that people are going to use this to attack us but we need to respect and not trample or hijack on others stories.” Whitch is the same opinion I hold.

If you look at those two men and what they said they haven’t gone completely back to begin men this isn’t because they can’t but because they identify as androgyny these people do exist describing themselves as “third gender” When they want to transition they must be extra careful, A degree of transition might be what they need but going whole hog will not solve there problem at all.

They also describe something we call “Rainbow syndrome”
it’s when you incorrectly think that SRS will fix all your personal problems Psychiatrists today know of this hence why the (real life experience) requires you to be involved in the community outside of the trans one Working full time/Working charity/Full time education By showing you what do you want in your life career ect BEYOND your transition.

But despite this here you are hijacking personal stories for your political ends attacking communities Good job. ¬.¬
Who’s really a cult?

Well yeah Sexism is very real in the 21st century and it’s a pile of crap that shouldn’t exist I’m with you on that one. But the anecdotal heartbreaking stories who still struggle to find peace is different from stating the cold fact of only 15% of congress is female.

Just curious You state elsewhere that upto 20% of Transsexuals regret there transition (as in you imply they were misdiagnosed) Where do you get this number? The studies I read show 5-6% have periodic regrets and <1% completely regretting it.

@Bluetraveler
Cool. I've never seen anyone forced into transition or forced to remain as there acquired gender by another transsexual before. So I guess neither of us possess a "cultish" philosophy.

“Well yeah Sexism is very real in the 21st century and it’s a pile of crap that shouldn’t exist I’m with you on that one. But the anecdotal heartbreaking stories who still struggle to find peace is different from stating the cold fact of only 15% of congress is female.”

Well now, see whatcha did there? You said that the fact that only 15% of congress are women: is NOT heartbreaking, and is NOT a “story of those that still struggle to find peace”. You said the heartbreaking (to most of us here on this feminist blog, but not to you) struggle of females is a “cold” fact to you. By cold you meant (but tell me if I’m wrong!) lacking in passion, emotion, enthusiasm, failing to excite feeling or interest [dictionary.com].
I hear what you’re saying, that to you sexism is not heartbreaking and the struggle for women and girls worldwide to find peace is a subject that leaves you cold. What mystifies me is why on earth you would take the time to express your lack of ardor for female emancipation with a blogger who clearly DOES find it heartbreaking. You really took time out of your day to let me know that male supremacy is not heartbreaking to you. How interesting. Might I suggest that there are many –no millions- of blogs, and news sites, and internet places where you will happily find most people in accord with you on that. This is not one of those places.

“Just curious You state elsewhere that upto 20% of Transsexuals regret there transition (as in you imply they were misdiagnosed) Where do you get this number? The studies I read show 5-6% have periodic regrets and <1% completely regretting it.”

“International research suggests that 3-18% of them (transsexuals) come to regret switching gender.
Research from the US and Holland suggests that up to a fifth of patients regret changing sex.
A 1998 review by the Research and Development Directorate of the NHS Executive found attempted suicide rates of up to 18% noted in some medical studies of gender reassignment. “http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2004/jul/30/health.mentalhealth
Etc etc etc. But it doesn’t really matter to you, does it, what trans people go through who regret or detransition or commit suicide. The only thing that matters is that they keep their mouths shut about it. Right?

“@Bluetraveler
Cool. I’ve never seen anyone forced into transition or forced to remain as there acquired gender by another transsexual before. So I guess neither of us possess a "cultish" philosophy.”

Excellent find Gallus!
I’d have to say many things, but one section from the article already says enough:

“cults typically isolate recruits so they can’t get a “reality check.” They may hold meetings or services at times that would normally be spent with family and friends; they may hold “retreats” that submerge the recruit in the group’s message for days at a time; and they may ask recruits not to discuss the group with others until they know more about it, so they don’t mislead people or give them only part of the story. This kind of isolation narrows a person’s feedback structure drastically for a period of time, to the point that the only people they’re really communicating with are the members of the cult they’re being invited to join. Their doubts about the group, therefore, are never reinforced, and they end up turning into self-doubt, instead. Looking around them at all of the smiling, friendly people who have obviously found peace and happiness by following this path, it appears that it must be the right way.”

Read before commenting. Who’s hijacking personal stories for political ends here? No one ever said that.
And anything Gallus Mag says might be wrong, but she doesn’t enforce it upon anybody. So, no cult here.

I’d like to remark how very hard it is for the general public or anyone to know how many regretters and detransitioners exist, partly because of trans communities stigma, part because they usually invested so much in transsexuality, denying it would destroy their lives, and lastly, because you can’t ask things to a person who died of suicide.

True. Studies which objectively measure patient outcomes show that gender reassignment provides no objective improvement whatsoever in people’s lives. Then the SRS careerists suggested that since there is no objective criteria for the EXISTENCE of transsexuality, objective criteria for patient outcomes SHOULD NOT APPLY ! lololol.

Just curious, what’s the deal with all the trans-supporters saying that x-many trans folk contemplate/commit suicide and that whole “no-one would choose to live this way” shit? How can I point out the flaws in that “argument”?