Taliban vs. Taliban

Looks like there is difference of opinion within the ranks of the Taliban. Now they are killing each other. May Allah protect the innocent and guide the misguided.

Taliban chief killed by ‘own guard’

A Taliban leader who criticised the group’s Pakistani head of command over attacks that killed two civilians has been shot dead, reportedly by one of his own guards.

The shooting of Qari Zainuddin on Tuesday appears to indicate the deepening of divisions within the Taliban as Pakistan’s military conducts an operation to rid the Swat valley and South Waziristan of Taliban strongholds.

Zainuddin, who was shot dead in the town of Dera Ismail Khan in the southern tip of the North West Frontier Province, had emerged as Baitullah Mehsud’s chief rival.

Zainuddin was pronounced dead with multiple gunshot wounds to the head and chest upon arrival at the local hospital, a local doctor said.

Al Jazeera’s Kamal Hyder, reporting from the Pakistani capital Islamabad, said: “Zainuddin had accused Baitullah Mehsud of going against the tenets of Islam for carrying out attacks on religious scholars.
“He said he would take his men and go after Baitullah Mehsud.”

Baz Mohammad, one of Zainuddin’s aides, was also wounded and said that the guard stormed into a room at the compound immediately following morning prayers and opened fire. Mohammad accused Mehsud of organising the attack.

“It was definitely Baitullah’s man who infiltrated our ranks, and he has done his job,” Mohammad said.

Mahmood Shah, a former Pakistani security official, said that the incident sends a message to the government that it must launch a comprehensive operation to eliminate Mehsud.

“You simply can’t eliminate him through local efforts; instead, you need a major force,” Shah said.

The military has been attacking fighters loyal to Mehsud, Pakistan’s Taliban leader, in the South Waziristan region that borders Afghanistan.

On Monday, Taliban fighters used rockets, mortars and other weapons to attack Pakistani military positions in the northwest, but the military responded swiftly with air raids that left at least 25 dead, officials said.

Divisions

Zainuddin had denounced Mehsud for attacks that left two civilians dead, attacks that had apparently been launched in retaliation for an army offensive in the Swat Valley.

Zainuddin had said: “Whatever Baitullah Mehsud and his associates are doing in the name of Islam is not a jihad, and in fact it is rioting and terrorism.”

The motive for criticising Mehsud was not clear, but whatever the reason, it has exposed divisions within the tribes.

Hyder said: “For the first time, there is a real sign showing there is a split within the tribes in that particular area and that is happening just as the military operation is under way.”

“In the past, whenever there has been a confrontation between the military forces and loyalists of Baitullah Mehsud, there had been political intervention and talks to try to negotiate a settlement.

“But now the government is determined to go after Baitullah Mehsud.

“The military has decided it wants to take on Baitullah Mehsud for the first time in a determined and concerted manner.”

While Mehsud has not claimed responsibility for the attack on Zainuddin, Hyder said that “his death would be a set back for the military which was planning its military operation in South Waziristan.”

The taliban have just murdered Maulana Dr Mufti Sarfraz Naeemi after he made a fatwa against suicide attacks. They murdered one of the ulema. A man who dedicated his life to the study of the deen, and teaching the deen to countless students, who by the way went to Al Azhar, and has a PhD in Islamic Studies. They bombed him in the office of his madrassa where nearly a thousand students strive to learn the deen. He was murdered on jumuah.

You know what the taliban had to say for it:

“A spokesman for militant leader Baitullah Mehsud’s Tehreek-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) claimed responsibility for the attack on Allama Naeemi as well as the attack on a mosque in Nowshera and Tuesday’s bombing of Peshawar’s Pearl Continental hotel that killed nine people.

‘Anyone who will oppose us to please the Americans will face the same fate,’ Maulvi Omar told AFP by telephone from an undisclosed location.”

How long will you people stand in front of the truth with your eyes close, thrusting your fingers fiercely into your ears, and support the Taliban. Will one of your family members have to die from one of these suicide bomb attacks before you wake up?

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Every time the taliban are not only accused of something, but actually admit to something, you hear Muslims who say “we don’t really know what’s going on”, “the western media has an obvious bias”, “it’s all just propaganda”. The fact that you say something to that affect every single time the taliban is accused or admits to doing something shows narrowness in supporting them, and an attempt to justify every action they do. In fact the only argument you hear is that the media is not credible even though some of the Taliban actually admit to what they are accused of.

You have no real reliable sources eh? How about the Taliban who claimed responsibility for the attack? How about the murder of one of the great ulema? Such a terrible thing has happened that is so clear and visible, and all you can say is “the media is not credible”.

you want to support the Taliban because they claim to bring a system of islam, i respect that. You want to be objective and say that we need to look at the whole situation, and see more sources to really know what the taliban is, I respect that. But the evidence is piling up against them. Eventually, when they admit to something, you have to take a stance. It is clear and evident from these sources that they have murdered Maulana Sarfraz Sahib, an the murder of Qari Zainuddin further concludes this. The news sources are none other than Pakistani themselves. If you want to say they are biased, fine, but even so the Taliban have admitted to this.

I will not fail to mention that there are many different kinds of taliban, but the actions of these specific taliban are wrong, and completely against islam.

Since you accused me and the others of supporting the Taliban (even though I didn’t even allude to this suggestion) I guess it’s safe to say you support the enemies of the Taliban including:

Russia
CIA
ISI
Entire US Military machine
Entire Israel Military machine
Those Taliban who don’t like these Taliban
The drug lords who lost their income when the Taliban was in control.

After all, if we can be accused of implicitly supporting the Taliban (which I’ll say right now, I DO NOT support any group that strives to overthrow any Islamic/Muslim government, even if that government is flawed, nor do I support any ideology or any group or nation that deems it okay or justifiable to kill innocent civilians, be they Muslim, Christian, Jewish, Hindu, or anything else), then YOU can be accused of implicitly supporting those who hate the Taliban.

Your words are certainly much less ambiguous than mine were.

Doesn’t feel good to be accused of something that’s not true does it?

Now, if you’re done accusing your Muslim brethren of supporting terrorism and suicide attacks and other acts that go against Islamic teachings, I’ll go and watch the above videos, Inshallah.

The only reason I “assumed” anything is because the evidence is so clear, that the people accused of these crimes ADMITTED and CLAIMED responsibility, and yet even so we get comments like “we can’t trust the media”, EVERYTIME the taliban gets accused.

There’s always a few people who have little or no remorse for the victims of the conflict in their comments, and choose to focus on the how the media is just all “propaganda”.

Although I agree with the overall premise of your post, it must be stated that the ISI played a major role in ensuring the rise of the Taliban. During the late 90s and early 2000’s the ISI, felt the Taliban would be an effective way to gain ingrounds to a country that has been reliably pro-Delhi since its formation, hence Pakistan being one of the 3 countries to recognize the Taliban’s brief period of rule. It is inaccurate viewpoint to place the Taliban one side of the spectrum, and the ISI on the other when several sources can attest to a murky relationship between the two entities, that might still possibly exist.

“O ye who believe (mukmin)! if a wicked person (fasiq) comes to you with any news, ascertain the truth, lest ye harm people unwittingly, and afterwards become full of repentance for what ye have done.”

taliban and alqaeda are a very evil group, both of these ahzab dont represent the true islam that was practiced and taught by Allah’s Final Apostle Sayidna Muhammad sallahu aliye wasalam. These people are against the very essence of islam, that is the actualization of mercy to the entire creation, of giving, and of enabling justice. Allah has described ifsad/corruption in surah baqara as breaking off ties of people to one another, has described killing a single human being as killing the entire humanity, and of causing two people to go into warfare, and split between a husband and wife, as satanic works, and we find these taliban through their wanton killing and destruction of innocents, damaging of muslim properties, oppressing the weak of the society like the women and small girls, and rabid extermism in religion as countering what the maqasid of the shariah actually require for. Their abhorent fruits are uniting the masses against them, as their call is against the fitrah of human beings, and soon inshallah they are to lose their grounds as the place they had in the hearts of the people is already lost.

The Real Enemies of Islam are the so-called jihadist groups…they are anti-Islam, Anti-Allah…anti-Rasuwl…ant-Quran….ant-human…anti-logic, reason and common sense….you can include idiots like ahmadinajad too

My family is from afghanistan, I hate the Taliban for the sake of Allah, and they try to use Islam to justify it, they commit acts of genocide. Oh Allah, they lie about the religion of Islam what Fools!!! And it is the poor people and little girls who don’t go to school who are suffering and have no future, the whole society of afghanistan is being pulled down by these criminals with beards.

Brother just so you know Baitullah Mehsud and his “Pakistani Taliban” are agents of the US and India! it has been proven many time, search on google if you want to find it…

Their goal is to give the real Taliban a bad name so they do all these things that is against Islam and get money from CIA … The real Taliban are following the Quran and Sunnah and many of them are Sufis!