The cliff, gravity and jagged rocks below are all created by God. Yet when a person jumps off the cliff and is killed, God is blamed for the cliff, gravity and the jagged rocks?

This "hell" is a kinetic structure the individual CHOOSES to participate in. God keeps telling everyone to not jump off the cliff but we choose to anyways.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28512445

And He *lets* us, even though we are, by his words, blinded and spiritually impaired? WTF kind of parenting is this? That's like allowing a retarded toddler to play in traffic because hey - "he chose that".

Fortunately, it's not so. The christian idol of Failure is eroding, and strongholds are being pulled down. Christ is the Savior of all, to be evident in due time.

Really now. So, He's actually no better than any random human being? How sad, considering that Jesus publicly pronounced forgiveness on those who nailed Him to the cross (though they weren't even repentant).

I did NOT tuck tail and run......you dodged the question...Have you been on the other side? Thats What I asked you.....and by your answer you have not been ...so be quiet about things you know nothing of.

Really now. So, He's actually no better than any random human being? How sad, considering that Jesus publicly pronounced forgiveness on those who nailed Him to the cross (though they weren't even repentant).

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8788578

Jesus did not pronounce forgiveness, but rather asked God to forgive them.

Nowhere does it say or imply that God ever forgave any unrepentant, quite the contrary:

But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness,but is in danger of eternal damnation. (Mark 3:29)

I did NOT tuck tail and run......you dodged the question...Have you been on the other side? Thats What I asked you.....and by your answer you have not been ...so be quiet about things you know nothing of.

Quoting: Blahblahblah 12384893

I answered your question, and you again tucked tail on mine.

I was lost before Christ.

What exactly do you mean by being "on the other side?"

Instead of being coy, speak up if you have something to say(you don't).

I am not going to spend the time reading through all of these posts to state the obvious which is Every Individual choses where he/she will spend eternity by either accepting God or denying Him. You can say "i don't believe in God," doin whaterve you please and that will work right up to the day you die. The fact is this earth is absolutely overflowing with proof of His existance.

Jesus did not pronounce forgiveness, but rather asked God to forgive them.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7254491

Ah, Lawyerball. OK. . .Did Jesus ever say anything about the Father responding to His prayers?

Nowhere does it say or imply that God ever forgave any unrepentant, quite the contrary:

But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness,but is in danger of eternal damnation. (Mark 3:29)

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7254491

The Matthew parallel verse says such an offender has not forgiveness "in this age nor the age to come". Fortunately, there are multiple ages ahead of us, and it says nothing about forgiveness in any age beyond the next, does it?

And proper rendering of the Greek there would be "age-long crisis", a substantially different concept than the phrase "eternal damnation" which they effortlessly put into God's mouth.

Alright then .......I have taken my awarenees out of my body and looked down on it laying in the bed....I have flown out of the body many times....I know this earth is not all there is to reality I KNOW this from experience.....so how about you ....speak up or shut up....

Alright then .......I have taken my awarenees out of my body and looked down on it laying in the bed....I have flown out of the body many times....I know this earth is not all there is to reality I KNOW this from experience.....so how about you ....speak up or shut up....

Quoting: Blahblahblah 12384893

so you regularly engage in the sin of witchcraft (1 Sam. 15:23), an abomination unto God (Deut. 18:10-12) that will preclude entrance to the kingdom of God (Gal. 5:20)

your proof that the Bible is not God's Word is that you personally find the demonic experiences you have while engaging in witchcraft, forbidden byGod, to be enlightening

Sighhhhhhh..........At least a few of us on here see past this whole duality thing..."my god is better than your god crap"........"believe me or die"....."repent or fry"...at times like this makes me want snatch a few of them up and show them show them what the "other side" is really like so they would shut up about things "they" know nothing of.....(rant off)..... :\

Quoting: Blahblahblah 12384893

You are not god. God is God.

For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. (John 3:20)

This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. (1 John 1:5)

So far AC 491 all you have shown me is you can't think on your own....If you have to throw bible verses in the discussion you have just shown all of us you can't think for yourself....sigh......a mind is a terrible thing to close and not use......

"The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and will all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

"And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness."

Is not what The churches teach and the current doctrine portraying God to be the same or worse than satan is about as deluded as you can get.?

force and fear and control and manipulation are blatant tools of darkness.

So is blackmail.

No one can deny that.

It makes me wonder why it is used so much by christians.

Its taught that good and bad fruit cannot grow on the same tree.

Foul and fresh water cannot flow from the same tap.

So how is LOVE and BLACKMAIL allowed to coexist together in current teachings?

If you have real love dwelling inside you right away you know just what darkness is.

Darkness does not know itself as dark until the light comes on.

Darkness is seen clearly in the bright glare of the light of LOVE.

If you continue in pride and contention and arguments and spite....if you still have a cold hard judgmental attitude towards others who do not agree with you...if you think of God as being a blackmailer and tyrant whos only effective way of gaining followers is to threaten them with torture...sorry to say..but all those things are of DARKNESS and proves beyond doubt..by their fruits..that the light has NOT come on inside.

Many can claim they said a prayer that changed them. But did they change?

Their main desire is to beat others over the head with threats of hell in the same way they feel God beat THEM over the head with threats of hell.

This is NOT love it is FORCE.

This is why NO love is shown BY them because NO love was shown TO them.

You can ONLY give what you have recieved.

If what you give is harsh judgment and you hold an elite attitude of "I am saved and THEY will burn" then you are only repeating the mindset of satan who is all about threats and force and blackmail.

God is LOVE and he who DWELLS in love ABIDES in him..IN LOVE..and IN God there is NO DARKNESS AT ALL.

If your entire christian walk is dedicated to telling others they will burn in hell or that they have to cower and cringe and obey laws and do this or that or GOD will get them...then you are preaching darkness because darkness is in fact what you have recieved within and so its all you can give and show without.

But if you let Jesus reign IN you and His love is REAL to you then you could not even THINK about threatening others nor would you have pride and spite.

Jesus said "I am MEEK and LOWLY of heart..LEARN from me"

So few DO..although they THINK they do but their words and their actions betray the true state of whats within.

If what flows OUT of you is darkness then its darkness that reigns within NOT light or LOVE.

Clean and dirty water cannot flow from the same tap.

You cannot say you LOVE God and HATE others. The two do not mix.

You cannot say you have LOVE within if you show PRIDE and spite without. Its only an indicator that NOTHING has changed within you.

This is the reason so many see christians as evil spite filled pride obsessed contentious hypocrites.

Because MOST of them ARE, as they cannot help but show their TRUE nature to the world. The nature of DARKNESS is evident even to those who still dwell in it and who have never met Jesus.

The world judges christians this way because EVIL knows its own. When something comes along that is MORE evil than the world the world sees this and knowing by NATURE the things of darkness is very quick to point it out.

The world LOATHES hypocrites.

So all christians out there reading this please be aware of what you say and do. ARE you being compassionate and loving? Or are you judging and hating and condemning?

Next time you feel like reacting in anger or spite or saying "YOU will BURN IN HELL for having such a veiw" keep in mind the pharisees acted the same way and we all know what Jesus thought of THEM.

Atheists often claim that Christianity could not be true because a loving God1 would not send billions of people to hell.2 Although this seems logically valid at first glance, it makes some assumptions that are not true for the God of the Bible. Many atheists claim that those who have never heard of Jesus Christ should not be forced to go to hell. This issue is dealt with in depth on another page.

True love is not permissive

The first false assumption is that love allows the object of that love to do whatever he or she wants. However, this permissive kind of "love" isn't really love at all. Any of you who are parents will recognize that allowing your children to do whatever they want to do is not loving at all. If you were to do this, your children would grow up to be spoiled selfish brats, incapable of loving other people. Permissive gods, who are caught up in their own intrigues, and so allow humans to do whatever they want without repercussions, are found in the pagan religions. However, the God of the Bible wants us to love Him and other people above everything else we do.3

God's moral laws have a purpose

The Creator God of the universe is obviously a God of order. The laws that govern the physical universe are so precise that we can calculate the positions of planets, stars, and galaxies thousands to millions of years into the future. Would a God of this kind of precision design moral laws that are random or changing? It doesn't seem likely or consistent with the character of the Creator that we know from the reality of the creation. Therefore, it seems likely that unchanging moral laws are consistent with the God of creation. The Bible says that the moral laws are consistent with the character of God.4 Therefore, the main purpose of the moral laws are to teach us what God requires for us to enter into His kingdom. The moral laws also allow us to live with each other on earth without hurting each other. In fact, if we all perfectly fulfilled the moral laws of God, we would be in perfect harmony with each other. Our failure to fulfill God's moral laws leads us to seek Him as the source of our salvation.

God's creation of free will beings must allow for the possibility of rejecting God completely

Since God created spiritual beings for the purpose of expressing love, those beings must have complete free will in order to express that love. Of course, free will allows for the possibility of those beings rejecting God and His plans. Unfortunately, most people do not agree that God's rules are good and do not want to live by them. In fact, the vast majority of people want to run their own lives without submitting to God at all. Somehow, they feel that God will just let them into heaven because they have behaved about as good, and maybe even better, compared to the rest of the people on earth. The problem with this idea is that God does not grade on the curve. All who enter God's kingdom must be absolutely holy, since no sin is allowed in God's presence. In addition, people must be willing to allow God to prevent them from sinning ever again, since there is no sin in heaven. This means that people must be willing to submit fully to God's will in order to get into heaven. Of course, all humans fall short of God's moral requirements. Therefore, God has made a provision to erase all sins that we have committed in this life and to perfect us so that we cannot sin in the next life. That provision for sin is through the sacrifice of God's son, Jesus Christ. Jesus took the punishment that we deserve and gives us the reward that we do not deserve - eternal life. In accepting Jesus as Lord and Savior, all our sins are erased, and Jesus works to change us into His image (if we allow Him to do so).

People prefer hell over complete submission to God

So why doesn't God make everyone into perfect beings and allow them all into heaven? It would actually be more cruel if God were to do this, since many people prefer hell to the alternative (complete submission to God). All the people who end up going to hell will have done so because they actually prefer hell to being forced into the presence of God for all eternity. People like to live in their favorite sins and answer to no one else. They know that if they accept Jesus as Lord and Savior that God will want them to change their lives and they might have to give up some of their autonomy.

Conclusion

At this time in history, there is more evidence demonstrating the existence of God than at any time in the past. Much of that evidence is presented on this site. In addition, there are missionaries throughout the world proclaiming the good news of Jesus Christ and the salvation that He offers as a free gift. Although the gift is "free," it will cost you your sin, selfishness, and pride. Since none of these character traits are allowed into heaven, those who insist upon holding onto these traits cannot enter into heaven, but must be separated from God in a place called hell. Therefore, those who go to hell do so voluntarily, preferring hell to complete submission to a holy and just God.

Related Pages •What will happen to the people who have never heard of Jesus Christ?•What Will Heaven be Like?•What Will Hell be Like?•The Bible Says Hell is a Place Located Under the Earth: An Atheists' Myth•Did God Create Evil - Does the Bible Say So?•Did God Commit Atrocities by Ordering the Killing of Entire Cities of People?•The Mercy of God as Found in the Old Testament•Thou Shall Not Kill- Does God Violate His Own Commandment?•If God is Jealous Doesn't That Make Him the Divine Hypocrite?•There is Too Much Evil and Suffering For God to Exist?•Is it Possible for God to Provide 'Partial Free Will' and Eliminate All Evil?•God's Chosen People, the Jews: Isn't God Unfair in Showing Such Preference?•Does the Bible Say God Repents From Doing Evil?

References 1.But I trust in Your unfailing love; my heart rejoices in Your salvation. (Psalm 13:5) "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life." (John 3:16) And we have come to know and have believed the love which God has for us. God is love, and the one who abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him. (1 John 4:16)2."And do not fear those who kill the body, but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. (Matthew 10:28) "You serpents, you brood of vipers, how shall you escape the sentence of hell?" (Matthew 23:33) And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. (Revelation 20:15)3.When Jesus was asked what was the most important rule, He replied that they were relationships: "Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?" (Matthew 22:36) And He [Jesus] said to him, "'YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.' This is the great and foremost commandment. The second is like it, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.' On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets." (Matthew 22:37-40)4.Judge me, O LORD my God, according to Thy righteousness; And do not let them rejoice over me. (Psalm 35:24) And the heavens declare His righteousness, For God Himself is judge. Selah. (Psalm 50:6) For Thy righteousness, O God, reaches to the heavens, Thou who hast done great things; O God, who is like Thee? (Psalm 71:19) But the LORD of hosts will be exalted in judgment, And the holy God will show Himself holy in righteousness. (Isaiah 5:16)

Let mankind now know that not all scriptures are as they once were that the devil alters things through infulencing of man and that he wanted to deplict God as a tyrant to turn people against us. let ye know this God shall never tell one to kill another for by eternal law that soul becomes condemned. God through his Son whom is also God did not suffer aeons to pay debts of sin just to condemn people. People were all already condemned it is in Gods love that intervention occured to repay spiritual debt that goes beyond even this life.

I am in the authority of the most High with power to act on earth and soon shall, let nations know in day of shaking when world war breaks out and thunder and lightning lights the skys the end tribulation has began for the seals will be broken. Desolation will be the beginning many are taken in that day and night, for not all are even worthy of tribulation some the devil takes early. Let those whom survive know that famine, desease and war will fill the world in those times even so natural disasters shall come like mankind has never seen.

Know this that Justice is part of good therefore all evil done must be repaid based on eternal law based on it specific consequence, in this way in end the wrath is unleashed to offer the spirits opportuntiy to pay karmatic debt, for without this time to come of sorrows those spirits would be taken into the underworld when the mouth of hell opens upon the end.

See the time of sorrows as a last chance of redemption for surely many shall be saved by their suffering which humbles them unto repentence. But as many as are saved more shall be lost for wickedness shall abound the world in those times and woe unto the unbeliever for a day comes that demonic spirits shall hold all rights to possess the flesh and then surely the prophecy of world has become a dwelling for devils is fulfilled.

Mankind has been given much longer than they know this is has been going on for much longer than even this earth has existed. The atonement is much more than even Christians are aware and has universal importance. In end those saved shall know what was done for them to be saved and be eternall grateful and those condemned shall know what opportuntiy they missed out on and be in eternal guilt and shame. A eternity is spent but forever is only for some, some will be unleashed and forgiven after a times time they may avoid the second death but surely they will suffer for all spiritual debt this is the law eternal that governments all forces of good and evil, there is no way around it and both Devi and God follow these laws.

Quoting: Spiritoftruth

unintelligible preaching in which not once did I read salvation is only by faith in the Lord Jesus Christ

God says every Word of scripture is pure (Prov. 30:5).

I believe God (Rom. 4:3).

God is superior to His creation, including the devil. If God says His Word is pure, and He does, then it is.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7254491

Careful whom you choose to speak against lest in day of judgment you find your name not written in book of life, for I say to you if you speak against a lier nothing shall happen but if you speak against the truth then you condemn yourself in doing so. I am the WORD ye seek to praise but ye being evil can not see the Light before you. I was sharing specific knowledge I have told others many times they can only be saved in my name which is Jesus Christ I am the same spirit whom descended to bottom of Hell to pay the debts of all worlds in my own sufferings and have now returned as promised to ascend from earth which shall shake it like mankind has never seen and in that day the clouds shall roll up like a scroll and all eyes shall know I am He for thunder and lightning shall fill the world.

I am of the Father and what you would consider God and I tell you not all scripture was from us, wether you believe me or not maters not to me but be warned to act in judgement when ye know not shall have consequences, for I do hold the book of life and can edit it if I choose. Repent of your insult against us for what also spoke was the true Holyspirit ye spoke as a serpent and shall suffer as one if do not repent.

The Devil was not our creation evil has always existed eternally the scripture which said God created evil was a lie of the devil that is one example of him changing things, many shall say to me in last day "Lord did we not speak in your name and prophecy in your name and do works in your name" I will say to them I know ye not get away from me ye whom works in your own iniquity. Being a Christian does not promise salvation for it requires more than just believing I existed. I told people be as perfect as my Father whom in heaven is, I see many hypocrites whom call themself followers of Christ, ye they do opposite to what I taught and their hearts are far from me.

Be always ready for ye know not the day or hour the son of man shall return.