"F15 SE" is not really the ideal way to refer to a Strike Eagle, especially not when F-15SE already refers to a completely different Eagle variant. It just gets confusing. Call it an F-15E Strike Eagle for minimum confusion.

dmaxzero

2012-09-20 12:53

Whats the difference between the blue shiranui and the red one that Yuuya is using in some magazine scans?

Wild Goose

2012-09-20 21:14

The blue and white Shiranui is referred to as "Nine-Four Second", and serves as the testbed for the XFJ project. It begins life as a standard Shiranui Type-1C, which is then further modified with more powerful engines as a result of cross pollination from the ACTV Eagle.

A testbed aircraft is not a prototype; rather it is an aircraft that is modified to resemble the future prototype in certain respects, and is used for data collection and tests - hence testbed.

The red and white Shiranui on the other hand, is the new Shiranui Niigata (Shiranui Type-2) prototype, which IIRC is a new airframe that incorporates the lessons learned from the 94 Second testbed.

dmaxzero

2012-09-20 21:51

Ah I see... I though it had some special perk of some sort.

Thanks for the info.

dmaxzero

2012-09-30 20:21

What is the MISSIP ENHANCEMENT MODULE of the Shiranui 2nd phase?

EagleBlue

2012-09-30 20:34

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Originally Posted by dmaxzero
(Post 4376020)

What is the MISSIP ENHANCEMENT MODULE of the Shiranui 2nd phase?

It might be those two thruster units on the new Shiranui's shoulders. I'm not a hundred percent sure however.

Wild Goose

2012-09-30 21:02

It's actually MSIP, which stands for Multi-Stage Improvement Plan, which is a plan to turn the 94 Second testbed into the proper Shiranui Type-2. Among the improvements are more powerful engines, thruster blocks derived from the Active Eagle, improved sensors...

The final result, from the stage by stage improvements, eventually becomes the Type-04 Shiranui Niigata in IJA service. Like ATSF, it's in a flyoff competition against the F-15SE Silent Eagle. Unlike ATSF, the flyoff takes place during an assault into a BETA hive.

EagleBlue

2012-09-30 21:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wild Goose
(Post 4376078)

It's actually MSIP, which stands for Multi-Stage Improvement Plan, which is a plan to turn the 94 Second testbed into the proper Shiranui Type-2. Among the improvements are more powerful engines, thruster blocks derived from the Active Eagle, improved sensors...

The final result, from the stage by stage improvements, eventually becomes the Type-04 Shiranui Niigata in IJA service. Like ATSF, it's in a flyoff competition against the F-15SE Silent Eagle. Unlike ATSF, the flyoff takes place during an assault into a BETA hive.

Ah forgot the MSIP. Wasn't sure when the subs translated it as MISSIP.

wellis

2012-10-02 22:06

I forget, but regarding Japanese TSFs are they like Japanese warplanes of WWII in that they're very manueverable, but have little armor or anything?

grevierr

2012-10-03 02:50

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Originally Posted by wellis
(Post 4378951)

I forget, but regarding Japanese TSFs are they like Japanese warplanes of WWII in that they're very manueverable, but have little armor or anything?

Actually nothing like WWII era planes, as the first gen is the F-4, which is post WWII and into the Cold War era.

1st Gen TSFs were built on a solid fixed frame, which allowed for heavy tank like armor, and low mobility. Which was not a good idea against the BETA swarms. Future generations of TSF builds were more focused on mobility, and are more streamlined. Compound armor is used to reduce weight but give improved survivability to laser radiation, and mobility is emphasized to dodge the attacks.

Compound armor is used to reduce weight but give improved survivability to laser radiation

This dont work for sure XD

grevierr

2012-10-04 08:45

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Originally Posted by dmaxzero
(Post 4380923)

This dont work for sure XD

which was why ep14 was totally wrong... they still did the laser wrongly compared to every other single source in the VNs and novels...(bursts instead of intensifying beams lasting for a few seconds aka lasers in mechwarrior for example) The armor is supposed to last for 3 to 5 secs against lux, and 1 sec against mag-lux...

erakk

2012-10-04 11:00

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Originally Posted by grevierr
(Post 4380957)

which was why ep14 was totally wrong... they still did the laser wrongly compared to every other single source in the VNs and novels...(bursts instead of intensifying beams lasting for a few seconds aka lasers in mechwarrior for example) The armor is supposed to last for 3 to 5 secs against lux, and 1 sec against mag-lux...

Apart from the first 2 eps that portrayed them wrongly, on ep14 it was actually closer to what we believe, since it DID lasted for a few seconds (maybe 2).
"totally wrong" i cannot agree to that...

dmaxzero

2012-10-04 11:18

I think its made to cause impact in the audience so they can feel the how powerless human are next to betas, beyond the point of techinicalities... That and the low budget. Its hard to find robot or scifi anime that show that kind of detail accurately. Its a show after all.

grevierr

2012-10-04 11:39

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Originally Posted by erakk
(Post 4381112)

Apart from the first 2 eps that portrayed them wrongly, on ep14 it was actually closer to what we believe, since it DID lasted for a few seconds (maybe 2).
"totally wrong" i cannot agree to that...

Quote:

Originally Posted by dmaxzero
(Post 4381132)

I think its made to cause impact in the audience so they can feel the how powerless human are next to betas, beyond the point of techinicalities... That and the low budget. Its hard to find robot or scifi anime that show that kind of detail accurately. Its a show after all.

I was comparing to what is seen in the VNs, which is a beam of light which waves around, lasting for up to 5 secs. Ep 14 had the Laser class emitting for 3 secs at a time, yes, but the impact on the TSF was less than a second... it just blows up on contact...even a type-97 Fubuki is able to survive an initial radiation while the emergency avoidance system takes over.

I don't think its the low budget, but rather the 'creative' direction the director took... after all that talk about following the mechanics of the world as closely as possible since he is a fan...

So the point which I was trying to make, is that the armor for TSFs after 1st gen is suppose to be better than what is shown against lasers. Against impacts on the other hand... ep13 is an example of plot armor... how the 'black knight' can still move with all that damage is not at the level of reality normally shown in Muv Luv... :frustrated: