NO, No, no.Not so fast.ALL THEIR DERP ARE LIES!Not, just wrong, but LIES!Sure, there are some idiot sycophants and that 50% of sub-par humans, but the Best and Brightest and absolutelyfarkingall of your politicians know the truth.

nmrsnr:Where is the pressure against legalizing marijuana? Is it really just "old people hate change?"

Conventional wisdom has been that the prohibitionists consisted of Police departments (and the town boards behind them) that rely on the income from drug busts, the DEA that needs to justify its existence, Big Pharma that fears the idea of people self medicating with it, Politicians that are afraid of looking soft on drugs, and People that simply believe the scare mongering,

Dinki:Conventional wisdom has been that the prohibitionists consisted of Police departments (and the town boards behind them) that rely on the income from drug busts, the DEA that needs to justify its existence, Big Pharma that fears the idea of people self medicating with it, Politicians that are afraid of looking soft on drugs, and People that simply believe the scare mongering,

You also forgot the growers themselves, who fear that legalization will lead to lower prices and having to compete with big Ag.

Angela Lansbury's Merkin:Dinki: Conventional wisdom has been that the prohibitionists consisted of Police departments (and the town boards behind them) that rely on the income from drug busts, the DEA that needs to justify its existence, Big Pharma that fears the idea of people self medicating with it, Politicians that are afraid of looking soft on drugs, and People that simply believe the scare mongering,

You also forgot the growers themselves, who fear that legalization will lead to lower prices and having to compete with big Ag.

Angela Lansbury's Merkin:You also forgot the growers themselves, who fear that legalization will lead to lower prices and having to compete with big Ag.

I suppose that's possible, especially for those growing illegally on federal land. But I'm betting a lot of the larger farmers see it as a big opportunity. Remember- the really big agricultural firms aren't going to jump right into pot. So that leaves a big opening for the smaller guy.

Dinki:I suppose that's possible, especially for those growing illegally on federal land. But I'm betting a lot of the larger farmers see it as a big opportunity. Remember- the really big agricultural firms aren't going to jump right into pot. So that leaves a big opening for the smaller guy.

The last time California tried to legalize it there was a huge pushback from the growers in Humbolt, most of who are growing on private land. They held community workshops and passed out flyers against it. And that was their argument. That Medicinal MJ had already hurt profits, and if you legalized it Philip Morris and big ag would move in and put all the current growers out of business.

I'm already starting to hear similar complaints out of Oregon where it will go on the ballot this fall.

Angela Lansbury's Merkin:Dinki: I suppose that's possible, especially for those growing illegally on federal land. But I'm betting a lot of the larger farmers see it as a big opportunity. Remember- the really big agricultural firms aren't going to jump right into pot. So that leaves a big opening for the smaller guy.

The last time California tried to legalize it there was a huge pushback from the growers in Humbolt, most of who are growing on private land. They held community workshops and passed out flyers against it. And that was their argument. That Medicinal MJ had already hurt profits, and if you legalized it Philip Morris and big ag would move in and put all the current growers out of business.

I'm already starting to hear similar complaints out of Oregon where it will go on the ballot this fall.

Everyone wants to protect their own pile of money, and fark everyone else.

Alcohol and cigarrettes are danagerous, contribute to violence and disease. Both are perfectly legal, and enthusiastically advertised.Pot is safe, healthy, and has medicinal purposes that no other drug can accomplish. It's never been shown to cause violence (quite the opposite). The plant is also useful as raw materials for fuels that could replace fossil fuels, clothes, and paper, among rather a lot else.

Always keep in mind that as more and more states legalize wee, the pigs will have to find new and creative ways to bust you for something. They're not about to give up their dog murdering choking people to death women raping ways just because you said it's ok to own a plant.

snocone:Think of "Victory Garden".This is as "Green" and "Renewable" as it gets.Instead of mowing that lawn, put it to use.I wonder what the lubrication and fuel potential of marijuana is?Have you heard?

The lubrication and fuel potential of medicinal marijuana, grown for THC and cannabinol content, is virtually nil.

Wait until you find out what you have to do for the turtle after your gay married. Fark marijuana, fark it right in the ass. My gay turtle husband made me... do.... *sobs*... THINGS, and it's all marijuana's fault!

Dinki:nmrsnr: Where is the pressure against legalizing marijuana? Is it really just "old people hate change?"

Conventional wisdom has been that the prohibitionists consisted of Police departments (and the town boards behind them) that rely on the income from drug busts, the DEA that needs to justify its existence, Big Pharma that fears the idea of people self medicating with it, Politicians that are afraid of looking soft on drugs, and People that simply believe the scare mongering,

The prison industry and "medicinal" grower industry arguments make sense, butI don't understand the big pharma argument. That shiat is herbal medicine aka barely works, while targeted pills farking work. Pharmaceutical companies would just isolate the active ingredients that would heal whatever aliment you need healed without getting you high. The vast majority of reasonable people don't want medicine to get them high because they have a lot of responsibilities they need to be clear headed for.

Smeggy Smurf:Always keep in mind that as more and more states legalize wee, the pigs will have to find new and creative ways to bust you for something. They're not about to give up their dog murdering choking people to death women raping ways just because you said it's ok to own a plant.

Dinki:nmrsnr: Where is the pressure against legalizing marijuana? Is it really just "old people hate change?"

Conventional wisdom has been that the prohibitionists consisted of Police departments (and the town boards behind them) that rely on the income from drug busts, the DEA that needs to justify its existence, Big Pharma that fears the idea of people self medicating with it, Politicians that are afraid of looking soft on drugs, and People that simply believe the scare mongering,

The Man is worried that he'll have to release all the non-violent pot prisoners, causing a drop in private, for profit prison growth/revenue, and that the released prisoners will sue for wrongful imprisonment, and to try to get their seized houses/cars/boats/life savings back.

Nixon recriminalized cannabis and stepped up the drug war mostly to strike out at the Vietnam protestors. People are in jail today so he could get those hippies off his lawn.

Alcohol and cigarrettes are danagerous, contribute to violence and disease. Both are perfectly legal, and enthusiastically advertised.Pot is safe, healthy, and has medicinal purposes that no other drug can accomplish. It's never been shown to cause violence (quite the opposite). The plant is also useful as raw materials for fuels that could replace fossil fuels, clothes, and paper, among rather a lot else.

But pot is illegal.

The whole system is backward and farked up.

I also read recently that hemp plants eat radiation. We should legalize them too and stop being silly.

4.5 joints every single day over that period.This is far outside the realm of normal, moderate use.

Um... I don't know anyone that smokes marijuana at all in any real sense that doesn't smoke something on the order of this amount and frequency. Probably not every single day, but easily 5 or so in a sitting and 3 to 5 days a week, which is sort of that ballpark.

This reeks of the "it's only the pack a day smokers" bullshiat excuse tobacco smokers always pull out, as if anyone that smokes regularly doesn't go through a significant portion of a pack in a day. The fact that the only way they could pull the average down was to average in the people that only have the occasional hit at a party sort of highlights that they're making excuses (tobacco apologism loves to do that too, throw in the people that have a cigarette once in a while to be social to skew the statistics).

// The fact that their 'counter-argument' is a self-reported survey in the first place isn't doing them any favors either.// Other than pointing out that the 40% alcohol involvement in crashes number is a result of systemic falsification often encoded into local laws rather than a real statistic (such as any crash after 2am being listed as Alcohol-involved evidence regardless, which is literally the law in, somewhat strangely, most dry counties), I don't have a problem with their numbers. Figured I'd point out the bit of glaring stupid, though, since agreeing with things is lame and boring.

jso2897:Smeggy Smurf: Always keep in mind that as more and more states legalize wee, the pigs will have to find new and creative ways to bust you for something. They're not about to give up their dog murdering choking people to death women raping ways just because you said it's ok to own a plant.

There's always "resisting arrest".

Arrested for resisting arrest is my favorite. I especially like it when they kill somebody for it.

Carn:durbnpoisn: I just posted something about this in the last pot thread.

But I will say this much again.

Alcohol and cigarrettes are danagerous, contribute to violence and disease. Both are perfectly legal, and enthusiastically advertised.Pot is safe, healthy, and has medicinal purposes that no other drug can accomplish. It's never been shown to cause violence (quite the opposite). The plant is also useful as raw materials for fuels that could replace fossil fuels, clothes, and paper, among rather a lot else.

But pot is illegal.

The whole system is backward and farked up.

I also read recently that hemp plants eat radiation. We should legalize them too and stop being silly.

Psylence:Everyone wants to protect their own pile of money, and fark everyone else.

fark those greedy assholes.

"Here's a chance for you to go legal, and prevents tens of thousands of people from going to jail over weed, both your fellow growers and your customers.""fark that. Profit margins are only 70% as it is."

durbnpoisn:Another thing that pisses me off about this... Here in NJ, they finally legalized medical maryJ. But the gov't put every goddamn block possible in place to make it impossible for it to be implemented.

So it's legal for people who need it to get it. It's just not possible.

Someone needs to bonk the entire legislature over the head for that one!

Same approach is used with abortion - if you can't ban it, just make people jump through an infinite number of hoops to get it.