why would SIU-E leave the OVC? Could the OVC be trying to purge nonfootball members? I know they just added Belmont, but that is a solid basketball add. Also, does Morehead St. have any plans to add scholarships?

I'm thinking that should NOT have said SIU-E, but rather Western Illinois.

What MAY be happening is that the Summit is about to be devoured.

Some eastern BB schools (one or more of Oakland, IUPUI, IPFW) to the Horizon League.Some FB schools (one or more of NDSU, SDSU, USD, Western Illinois) to the MVC.

Remaining schools are scrambling: UMKC went to WAC, Denver just left WAC for the Summit (will they return / stay put in WAC), what of Nebraska-Omaha ?Maybe the MVC does not want Western Illinois, and they wind up scrambling too.

If this is all Summit-related, can't see how an OVC team like SIU-E would be affected. I think that was an error / sloppy journalism.

The Big Sky could take Seattle if it wanted 10 members in basketball, or simply have Idaho not join. Northern Colorado could head to the Summit as well.

When I first joined this site one of my first posts more than two years ago was the need for a second western FCS conference. Fullerton seemed to be thinking the same thing last year and there was open speculation of a WAC-Big Sky alliance, however it failed pretty quickly.

However, that did seem to suggest that the Big Sky schools want the other three Dakota schools and maybe more, but they don't want to make it even harder to get an AQ, especially in olympic sports. The Summit losing a bunch of schools could give Fullerton a second chance at creating an ally conference, and it could look very similar to what you describe. I would put N Colorado in the Summit personally, but that's not a big issue.

Now, the Dakota schools moving will have nothing to do with their football home which is solid. Any move will be to stabilize their olympic sports. This is why ultimately I believe that the MVC will need to offer full invites to at least NDSU and SDSU, if not USD as well.

So I'd say the chances are slim, but I bet something like it would be considered if the Summit loses a lot of their eastern schools.

The Big Sky could take Seattle if it wanted 10 members in basketball, or simply have Idaho not join. Northern Colorado could head to the Summit as well.

When I first joined this site one of my first posts more than two years ago was the need for a second western FCS conference. Fullerton seemed to be thinking the same thing last year and there was open speculation of a WAC-Big Sky alliance, however it failed pretty quickly.

However, that did seem to suggest that the Big Sky schools want the other three Dakota schools and maybe more, but they don't want to make it even harder to get an AQ, especially in olympic sports. The Summit losing a bunch of schools could give Fullerton a second chance at creating an ally conference, and it could look very similar to what you describe. I would put N Colorado in the Summit personally, but that's not a big issue.

Now, the Dakota schools moving will have nothing to do with their football home which is solid. Any move will be to stabilize their olympic sports. This is why ultimately I believe that the MVC will need to offer full invites to at least NDSU and SDSU, if not USD as well.

So I'd say the chances are slim, but I bet something like it would be considered if the Summit loses a lot of their eastern schools.

Like the analysis from the previous 2 posts. But if it was to occur, then I believe that Omaha (Nebraska-Omaha) should bring back football. In my honest opinion, it was the WORST drop that the school has had to do, and all to join Division I from Division II. The Mavs could still have sponsored football while on the process to join the Summit League before this season started without dropping that sport, which it could have ended up competing in the MVFC. Nebraska-Omaha was one of the powerhouse-type rich history-style schools of that sport of Division II, back in the old NCC (North Central Conference) days.

I really did not understand Trev Alberts killing off UNO's FB program either, I was hoping that UNO and North Dakota could become MVFC #11 & 12.

I think we're forrgetting Western Illinois. I don't see them being invited to MVC or Horizon, so I thik they'll be staying in the Summit. And they do play Football.

It's really hard to picture the Montana schools leaving the Big Sky for the Summit. Not happening.... (sort of an insane move, that we should not expect, even though UMKC just made a "downhill" move).If the Big Sky were to add the 3 Dakota schools somehow, and then split into divisions, OK... Then I could see them placed with the 4 Dakota schools.

I really did not understand Trev Alberts killing off UNO's FB program either, I was hoping that UNO and North Dakota could become MVFC #11 & 12.

I think we're forrgetting Western Illinois. I don't see them being invited to MVC or Horizon, so I thik they'll be staying in the Summit. And they do play Football.

It's really hard to picture the Montana schools leaving the Big Sky for the Summit. Not happening.... (sort of an insane move, that we should not expect, even though UMKC just made a "downhill" move).If the Big Sky were to add the 3 Dakota schools somehow, and then split into divisions, OK... Then I could see them placed with the 4 Dakota schools.

Hopefully that UNO will re-instate football in the near future, but it would depend on the school staff and stuff.

If the MVFC keeps alive or merges into the MVC , I believe that Western Illinois would be a great candidate to join the MVC with the other schools who play MVFC football.

And it would be a wise decision for the Dakota schools to join the Big Sky for division play (even having Idaho as a non-football full member).

Its really hard to tell what is going on with the MVC. If they lose Creighton I could see the football schools running roughshod over the bb schools and adding the Dakota schools. (This move would probably alienate Wichita St and they will probably team up with the private schools to try to stop it). It's also hard to tell what the Horizon is thinking too--they could easily sweep up the Summit's 3 easternmost basketball schools if they wanted but they just seem to be in a holding pattern for now.

I really did not understand Trev Alberts killing off UNO's FB program either, I was hoping that UNO and North Dakota could become MVFC #11 & 12.

I think we're forrgetting Western Illinois. I don't see them being invited to MVC or Horizon, so I thik they'll be staying in the Summit. And they do play Football.

It's really hard to picture the Montana schools leaving the Big Sky for the Summit. Not happening.... (sort of an insane move, that we should not expect, even though UMKC just made a "downhill" move).If the Big Sky were to add the 3 Dakota schools somehow, and then split into divisions, OK... Then I could see them placed with the 4 Dakota schools.

Hopefully that UNO will re-instate football in the near future, but it would depend on the school staff and stuff.

If the MVFC keeps alive or merges into the MVC , I believe that Western Illinois would be a great candidate to join the MVC with the other schools who play MVFC football.

And it would be a wise decision for the Dakota schools to join the Big Sky for division play (even having Idaho as a non-football full member).[/

I don't get yall. The Dakota schools are all on the Eastern border of their states next to Minnesota/Iowa, not the Western border of even the center of the states.

Theirs a reason USD turned down the Big Sky invite for the Summit/MVFC. Travel is easier to Midwest than it is to the MtnWest. If anything happens after the raids, I could see the 4 Dakota school getting together and starting a 10 member football-centric conference with the members of MVFC (sans YSU) and then seeing if any of the non-TN members of the OVC are interested (EIU/EKU/SEMSU/Murry St)and if not they could easily take an upgrade or two if need be (plenty of D2 options).

This would leave an odd mix of nonfb schools like Creighton, Drake, Witchita St, Neb-Omaha, Bradley, IUPUI, IUPUFW, and Oakland (if not raided) leftover to reform the MVC or Summit with Chicago St and UMKC, assuming that theirs enough off them or else they probably just join the WAC.

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I really did not understand Trev Alberts killing off UNO's FB program either, I was hoping that UNO and North Dakota could become MVFC #11 & 12.

I think we're forrgetting Western Illinois. I don't see them being invited to MVC or Horizon, so I thik they'll be staying in the Summit. And they do play Football.

It's really hard to picture the Montana schools leaving the Big Sky for the Summit. Not happening.... (sort of an insane move, that we should not expect, even though UMKC just made a "downhill" move).If the Big Sky were to add the 3 Dakota schools somehow, and then split into divisions, OK... Then I could see them placed with the 4 Dakota schools.

The thing about just adding them is there is still only one AQ and it's far from certain an expanded Big Sky would get a second bid. By operating as two conferences with scheduling agreements they can get two AQs for 16-18 schools, rather than 1 for 12-14.

There are probably too many factors at play to make something like this work. The Summit football conference would be loaded compared to the remaining Big Sky conference. If you try to balance the football and basketball powerhouses you'll end up with two conferences with spread out footprints. It'll be way too hard to make everyone happy so ultimately the status quo in the Big Sky will probably maintain.

It makes for a great 10 team conference with relatively easy travel. You could even throw in non-fb members Wichita St and Denver and have divisional play in bb and Olympic sports to minimize travel costs. The remnants of the MVC could then go after the Horizon and then what's left of the Horizon would have to take in the Summit Orphans.

It makes for a great 10 team conference with relatively easy travel. You could even throw in non-fb members Wichita St and Denver and have divisional play in bb and Olympic sports to minimize travel costs. The remnants of the MVC could then go after the Horizon and then what's left of the Horizon would have to take in the Summit Orphans.

Like your idea on this one Muskie. But I had something similar about this, which is related with the Summit (the fb-playing schools to the MVC and the non-fb schools to the Horizon), and I post it on a different sub-forum or topic.

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