Zhao imports

3 Humanity Brujah, Celerity 4 and Presence 3 running, kill the first wave of Tong in Zhao's. Second wave never appears. I have never seen this happen before. It could be a Troika bug, or it could be an artifact of Celerity (I would doubt it has anything to do with Humanity or Presence, but who knows). What say you all?

Munster, are you sure you killed all 7 of the first wave? With celerity and presence, there might be one still hiding in a dark corner, or getting up very slowly (for your timing).The second wave is released by a kill counter on the map. And that should be able to handle even kills at the same time. I remember killing some of them with mass suicide, and not having any trouble getting the second wave.

Munster, are you sure you killed all 7 of the first wave? With celerity and presence, there might be one still hiding in a dark corner, or getting up very slowly (for your timing).The second wave is released by a kill counter on the map. And that should be able to handle even kills at the same time. I remember killing some of them with mass suicide, and not having any trouble getting the second wave.

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I may have missed one. I did run around looking and going to sneak mode. My sneak meter never got higher than zero. I have a hunch that if it is a bug (and not just me missing the last Tong), it's a Troika bug.

Jesus! Are you running around stomping on kittens, or killing grannies, or what? Even when I'm being kind of a bastard, and not bothering to do the 'nice' dialog to raise my Humanity, mine never gets below about a 6.Some quests, like getting morphine for Mercurio, get you experience, so I don't pass those up just to keep my Humanity low... that's silly. But stuff like giving the bum in Santa Monica a buck... screw that. I'm not playing a friggin' Twilight vampire.

The only time I had a 3 Humanity was the time I went around killing everything, just to see what kind of Hunters would show up. I depopulated the Downtown area, and couldn't get below 3 Humanity. But that was just testing the game. I have no desire to play a character like that.

I'm doing it to test out how the game works with a low Humanity/high Intimidate character. I've never played the game like that before, and I'm hunting bugs for Malkav.

Still not one Frenzy.

I don't think the following is a bug, I think it's the result of such low Humanity (although I have not checked the .DLG to be sure). In the Giovanni mansion, the male candidate near the door to Bruno's room will not confide in me. I never even get a dialogue option to Persuade him to tell me his secret (even with a 9 Persuade). Mira does tell me hers, and Adam (the financial wizard) tells me his. But I think the other guy (whose name I forget) is such a low-key fellow he's not receptive to a low Humanity character even if Persuade is otherwise high enough.