Cornwell excludes NFLPA from meeting with Wells

Posted by Mike Florio on November 16, 2013, 3:12 PM EST

AP

The NFL Players Association intends to attend all meetings between Dolphins players and independent investigator Ted Wells. But the NFLPA didn’t attend Friday’s meeting between Wells and the man at the heart of the case, Dolphins tackle Jonathan Martin.

Per a source with knowledge of the situaton, the NFLPA assumes that the lack of an invitation arises from ongoing friction between DeMaurice Smith and Martin’s lawyer, David Cornwell. Cornwell ran against Smith in 2009 for the executive director position, Cornwell has publicly criticized Smith’s job performance, Cornwell and Smith have clashed via litigation between the NFL Coaches Association (for which Cornwell serves as executive director) and the NFLPA, and Cornwell has accused the NFLPA of trying to steer players and agents away from utilizing his services.

Cornwell says that the choice to exclude the NFLPA was made by his client.

“Jonathan and his family decided that it was in Jonathan’s best interest to be represented by an independent counsel of his choice,” Cornwell tells PFT via text message. “As Jonathan said yesterday, his discussion with Ted Wells was frank and detailed. I was concerned that Jonathan’s ability to be frank and detailed would be compromised if there were too many people in the room.

“We made it clear that our decisions in no way — in intent or effect — interfere with the NFLPA discharging its important duties as the exclusive bargaining representative of all players.”

Not being present for the Martin meeting requires the NFLPA to separately get its hands on the raw information Martin gave to Wells, so that the NFLPA can best advise players who may be the targets of accusations of wrongdoing, and regarding the accusations that will be made against them.

so its Martin v.s Dolphins/NFLPA? .. Lets call it what it is Martin v.s Football

finsfan4life1977 says:Nov 16, 2013 3:21 PM

Jonathan Martin is a pawn, who’s easily manipulated. He let’s other people bully him, whether they be fellow players, or his lawyer parents. It was his mother and father who decided to exclude the NFLPA. Jonathan Martin probably hasn’t made a decision by himself in a very long time.

The more that comes out the more it looks like despite some bullying going on there’s to more to this than him just being a poor victim. Can’t wait to see how long it takes before Martin wants a large sum of $$$ to make all this go away.

Whether you like Martin or not, this may be the right move.
If you get a divorce, don’t let your wifes attorney represent you. NFLPA has to rep Martin AND incognito.

mackcarrington says:Nov 16, 2013 3:33 PM

I think martin is one of the first wave of the “coddled generation” to make it to pro football. He was obviously one of those kids who got “participation trophies”, and never knew how to deal with life when someone else beat him out on merit. I hope that no more like him ever make it to this level again.

Martin absolutely does not have to submit a single thing to Smith and his NFLPA clowns. He does not have allow their presence at any interview and in fact does not even have to answer any of their questions.

Smith and crew are clearly taking the wrong side here and I hope it exposes Smith’s incompetence and need for removal from his position.

So, it’s basically Cornwell taking advantage of Martin’s situation as a way to grind his longstanding axe with De Smith the NFLPA?

As a result, his client is now fighting against the PA, and the NFL (via the Dolphins)?

Good luck with that Martin, the only one that may “win” in this is Cornwell with a legal victory which he can brag out.

Practically, in the event Martin “wins” this case, it now means likely throwing a lot of people under the bus and exposing things in the locker room that shouldn’t be…and good luck getting invited to another one in your career.

How does he belong to the NFLPA and have this investigation going by the league and somehow the union loses the ability to be in the room when a league lawyer questions a player? Whether the player wants them in the room or not is irrelevant. There were a bunch of players-not just Martin, whose interests were at stake in that meeting. If I rep’d the union, I’d of been in court getting a court order to have a presence in that room. Pitiful!

seaeagle707 says:Nov 16, 2013 4:07 PM

The question that seems to have been lost in all of this, is just how valuable a player, Martin has been for the Fins? If he were an ace at his position, a true star for his team, couldn’t he have found enough moral support from his teammates to avoid having to “escape” to California? Tannehill seemed quite cordial in his remarks about Martin, but also let it be known that he hadn’t known there was a problem. So what exactly is it that we are witnessing here? Methinks that Martin has ulterior motives that we haven’t been privy to, as yet.

hooterdawg says:Nov 16, 2013 4:08 PM

The NFLPA has a conflict of interest in inter-player disputes. The NFLPA has already filed a grievance for Incognito, and has provided an attorney for players on the other side of the Martin dispute. It is smart of Cornwell to read the writing on the wall and exclude them from the intial interviews with the NFL investigation so that Martin can speak freely rather than endure constant interruptions from the NFLPA counsel.

Is this man being harrassed because of his sexual preference? Something is missing here!

keylimelight says:Nov 16, 2013 4:15 PM

What I cannot understand is Martin’s decision to choose Cornwell as his council for these reasons:

1) Cornwell is Executive Director of the NFL Coaches Association. No doubt that Miami’s coaches are involved in this whole thing, so that spells a conflict of interest to me (and not in Martin’s interest for that matter).

2) Cornwell is at odds with deMo Smith of the NFLPA. Selecting Cornwell as his counsel puts him at odds with his own union rep. Why would he do that?

Martin could have selected any number of competent lawyers to represent him but, he chose Cornwell. What the Sam Hill is going on here? (We don’t know jack! people.)

doctorrustbelt says:Nov 16, 2013 4:16 PM

Don’t forget or pretend to forget that richie incognito has filed a grievance.

This shows that Martin wants to play in the NFL (cooperating with the NFL) and incognito has surrendered to his imminent retirement (a money issue – he will probably molest someone else in the near future and need to pay them off, too).

jimbo75025 says:Nov 16, 2013 4:20 PM

drgreenstreak says:
Nov 16, 2013 3:38 PM
Martin absolutely does not have to submit a single thing to Smith and his NFLPA clowns. He does not have allow their presence at any interview and in fact does not even have to answer any of their questions.
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Uh, Martin is still an NFLPA member. You are technically correct and to me Martins actions show that he really has no interest in an NFL future. Distancing th NFLPA is only going to make him more of an outsider in any locker room than he already would be. He better hope he gets enough $ from the lawsuits to set him up for life,because I would say 99% chance no NFL team is going to want the distraction (ala Tebow)

holeinone09 says:Nov 16, 2013 4:27 PM

Serna pretty obvious why they didnt want the NFLPA there. NFLPA has hited a lawyer to rep any Dolphin players who may be accused. Martín was giving his side in this Meeting. NFLPA will get his statement later.

So many tough guys criticizing Martín WHO have no clue yet what really happened. Shut up and wait.

Martin’s an aloof guy from a privileged background, and he was used to dealing with similar people. His own high-school coach admitted as much, saying, “Before, he wasn’t around Nebraska, LSU kind of guys. He’s always been around Stanford, Duke, Rice kind of players.”

Notice what the coach said: he’s *always* been around Stanford-Duke types, i.e., privileged kids who come from parents with money, advanced education, or both. And that’s true. First, he went to high school at Harvard-Westlake, which cost $35,000-a-year. Then he went to Stanford, which is basically an extension of Harvard-Westlake: more pampered rich kids. Simply put, from the time he was born until the day he showed up on the Dolphins’ doorstep, Jonathan Martin had NEVER dealt with regular people. Ever.

And knowing what we know not only about his privileged background but also about his gross overreaction to the so-called bullying, does anyone really believe that Jonathan Martin wanted to be part of the Dolphins’ locker room? I don’t. More likely, he showed up there, was disgusted by the people, and decided to keep his distance. In fact, we know that Incognito invited him on a trip to Las Vegas with the other offensive lineman and that Martin declined. Why would a rookie decline an invitation like that? Talk about a slap in the face.

Bottom line is, Martin didn’t want to go slumming with Incognito and the rest of the guys, and they resented him for it. I would have, too.

Unions work for their members, not the other way around. A union can not force their presence if the member chooses to exclude them. It’s a common sense move by Martin. The union would not be there to represent Martin, they would have also been representing the other players. Why give your opponent inside info?

John A. says:Nov 16, 2013 4:39 PM

You can make a really good argument that what Martin did is a good idea.

The NFLPA will eventually represent Incognito in his grievence against the Dolphins. There is a good argument to be made for a conflict of interest, or the possibility of one.

Martin keeping his own legal counsel in no way lessens his own hand in dealing with the Dolphins or the NFL. In the end, that is and should be his only concern, not how the NFLPA will represent others or other members of the union.

xpensivewinos says:Nov 16, 2013 4:41 PM

So let me get this straight. People are pissed at Martin for not letting NFLPA representation in the room, even though the NFLPA is in a complete and total position of conflict of interest by representing him AND Incognito?

The NFLPA is ultimately not looking out for Martin’s best interests. They’re looking out for their own best interests and to make this stink as minimally as possible. It’s a joke to think that the NFLPA will be objective in representing both parties.

Brilliant move by Martin’s team.

arwiv says:Nov 16, 2013 4:42 PM

And at the bottom of everything, at the bottom of all things, what to we have? Lawyers gumming up the works.

Lawyers, like politicians, are seriously a scourge upon the earth.

broncobrewer says:Nov 16, 2013 4:50 PM

The kid at Rutgers and Martin left after losing playing time bc they sucked. Football is going down the drain if you can’t try to get the best out of someone and then they lose their playing time bc they don’t preform. Pretty soon every NFL team is going to get a trophy at the end of the season.

I understand why Martin might want his own counsel there. No problem by me. But he shouldn’t be able to exclude the NFLPA. As they represent Martin AND the other players they deserve to know and need to know what Martin is alleging and if it jives with what the other players are saying.

The way Martin is treating this in such an obvious letigious money grab. He isn’t accused of anything so he CAN’T incriminate himself, he can only say something that might reduce his ability to gouge the Dolphins or NFL.

I don’t blame, it was probably at his lawyers suggestion. The NFLPA is normally the champion of the individual player, but it is hard to see where their loyalties will be here. Defending Martin could potentially put them at odds with defending Incognito, or even more Dolphins for that matter. Can he really trust them to act in his best interest, especially if there is some blame to spread around?

And what if the NFL comes down hard on the Dolphins or creates league wide rules that all players don’t like? The NFLPA might be in a situation where it needs to side against Martin. Nothing by conflicts of interest here.

falcons999 says:Nov 16, 2013 5:14 PM

I’m surprised that Martin was able to tell about all the tackles, ends, linebackers and cornerbacks who beat him in just 7 hours.

He should sue the league for letting him get burned.

Parents….this is what happens when you let your kids play sports where you don’t keep score.

thingamajig says:Nov 16, 2013 5:18 PM

After Martin’s Mom and Dad saw how NFLPA did on the last CBA they said NO WAY.

Truly cannot stand even looking at Martin. Why would anyone draft him he’s a big over grown baby. Why would anyone in the NFL even want him he stinks as football player and presume that’s his motive going out in a bang dragging people down with him. That’s besides listening too mommy, he sure hasn’t got far from his mommies skirt.

I was concerned that Jonathan’s ability to be frank and detailed would be compromised if there were too many people in the room. Really! Really! Maybe he should have brought his mommie in the lockeroom. This guy can’t even tell his own story.. That’s because mommie and lawyers are the only ones manipulating and creating this case. Martin he reminds of the spoiled kid who pouts and quits takes his basketball home so nobody else can play.

The sooner we forget about waste the quicker it will go away.. So what if it cost Ross a bunch of money. Ross deserves it for being a putz, keeping Ireland or even hiring Ireland. Philpin should move to New York and sit on a stool in Ross’s office. Just pathetic both Martin and this stupid franchise ineptness. I lived in miami and went to the the very first team and game miami had. It was a sad site to see never thought in my life it could ever get worse.. Well it has..

When a situation like this arises, and one person (Martin) seem to have a problem with multiple people, it’s time for him to look inward. The whole world is turning into a bunch of a pansies. I don’t say that thinking people need to be tough, but some people are babied through their whole life, and don’t know how to act when someone opposes them. So many people crying over hurt feelings these days. The world isn’t fair, so those types should get used to it.

drelms says:Nov 16, 2013 5:30 PM

Is it just me, I swear he would giggle if you poked him in his tummy like the Pillsbury Dough Boy.

frank booth says:Nov 16, 2013 5:32 PM

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If people are going to come on here, and talk about “pampered” rich kids, or the fact that they haven’t been around normal people, they should have some pretty decent evidence to back that up. Something beyond the simple comments of a high school coach or someone else. All rich kids aren’t “pampered”. It’s so weak to rely on stereotypes.

People seem to have a real problem with the fact that Martin was smart enough to go to Stanford, or that his parents worked hard enough to get through Harvard and to put their kids in a good position to get to a good university. Most of us (but apparently not some on PFT) aspire to put our kids in the best possible position, as we do for ourselves, and that takes effort. Apparently, this irritates some people, especially those who don’t want to put that effort forward, but would rather insult those that do- the jealousy is clear.

Anyone who thinks that “tough” players don’t come out of private schools, wealthy areas, or private colleges are fooling themselves. Anyone who thinks that these people can’t get along with other players in the locker room are deluding themselves.

People are looking for every little thing to explain why Jonathan Martin did what he did. “He’s pampered, he comes from a wealthy family, he only hung around with rich people, and on and on.” First, it’s all assumption, unless you know the guy or have a fair amount of evidence to paint a picture; second, there are plenty of other athletes that have grown up with wealthy parents in wealthy areas, gone to private schools and universities and been competitive athletes.

Here’s one for you offhand, who grew up next to one of my good friends- Bill Laimbeer, formerly of the Pistons. But he was pampered and from a rich family, so he wasn’t a “tough guy”, right?

holeinone09 says:
Nov 16, 2013 4:27 PM
Serna pretty obvious why they didnt want the NFLPA there. NFLPA has hited a lawyer to rep any Dolphin players who may be accused. Martín was giving his side in this Meeting. NFLPA will get his statement later.

So many tough guys criticizing Martín WHO have no clue yet what really happened. Shut up and wait.
…Um, yeah. Nobody has a “clue” what happened because Martin won’t talk. At least Incognito had the balls to tell his side on national TV. JM is hiding behind his lawyer.

annes22 says:Nov 16, 2013 5:45 PM

Oh this is pathetic. Martin is such a baby, for god sake just “go away” and do something else.
Can’t speak for himself, yet he was there for 7 hours yesterday. Can’t imagine how that all went. He looks like a “wacko” and something isn’t quite right here. I wonder what that is!!!

FinFan68 says:Nov 16, 2013 5:46 PM

If you are telling the truth–the whole truth– it doesn’t matter who else is in the room to hear it.

doe22us says:Nov 16, 2013 5:47 PM

mackcarrington says:
Nov 16, 2013 3:33 PM
I think martin is one of the first wave of the “coddled generation” to make it to pro football. He was obviously one of those kids who got “participation trophies”, and never knew how to deal with life when someone else beat him out on merit. I hope that no more like him ever make it to this level again.

Says the armchair QB that knows it all, at the very least this is what we know he went to Stanford (Ivy League) played top level competition and is/was/may still be in the NFL.. what about you????

Lets put this in a way folks with normal jobs think. Have you ever worked with someone who really didnt fit, was a lousy co worker who didnt pull his/her weight? And since they didnt like their job they did one of the following: 1) got “hurt” and filed a worker comp claim. 2) filed a disability claim 3) filed a harrassment claim against a superior 4) played their cards right long enough to get fired aso they could collect unemployment. Folks this happens. But this mess is on a much larger scale

bruiseddeath says:Nov 16, 2013 5:57 PM

Wow….There are many certified Psychiatrists posting hear on this situation. I did not know there were so many who follow football🙂

japmen says:Nov 16, 2013 6:02 PM

Looking for the money, money, money. Knew he wasn’t a very good OT so why not sue to get that money?

thewizardofbs,
I am right there with you the more that comes out. This thing wreaks of being orchestrated from cherry picking a voice mail from 6 months ago that he knew would get most people on his side immediately due to its nature (especially the media) to how this all coincided with the McKinney trade.

I hope the settlement Cornwell can negotiate for him pays for law school because his NFL career is over.

bruiseddeath says:Nov 16, 2013 6:13 PM

Where’s my ‘edit’ button. I meant posting ‘Here’🙂

mackcarrington says:Nov 16, 2013 6:14 PM

@doe22us:
In case you haven’t noticed, everybody who posts on here is an armchair quarterback. Even you. Why you single me out, I don’t know. There is a lot about this case that we don’t know,so that makes it open to speculation which everyone is entitled to do.
Also, this is not about ME. I’m not a high profile individual in a high profile profession. I’m as free to speculate on this as anyone else. And honestly, this is the first comment I’ve made on this topic, as I wasn’t sure which side I come out on. And every day there seems to be new info. So what about YOU? Are you one of these people who give their kids “participation trophies”? I must have struck a nerve close to home with you.

bat42boy says:Nov 16, 2013 6:21 PM

The players don’t need the union to represent them. They make so much money, with there separate contracts, that they could afford to have there own lawyer. There is flaw in the system. This goes for all the other pro sports unions.

arwiv says:Nov 16, 2013 6:26 PM

Martin is obviously an out to lunch nut bag. Does anyone here seriously think there is a player in this league that would want this man on their team? His career is probably over, as it should be. Men of no heart, like Martin, should never, ever, be NFL football players. On top of that, I have a funny feeling that despite not being a person capable of playing in the NFL, Martin is a bad person. There, I said it. This was planned people….it is as obvious as the noses on our faces.

nflgreedleague says:Nov 16, 2013 6:35 PM

Wow this is not only just a 2nd round bust, this guy has single handedly destroyed the Dolphins season.
Has already taken millions of dollars away from Incognito, and several people could also lose their jobs. This could be the worst draft pick of all time,
whose with me?

frank booth says:Nov 16, 2013 6:40 PM

Jonathan Martin and Jason Collins were both classmates in college and high school. Jason Collins is the first active pro athlete to come out as gay. It takes a certain degree of resiliency and toughness to tell the truth and stand up for your convictions, risking your friends and ostracism from your peers, as he and Jonathan Martin.

The ones that are called “wusses” or weak? They follow the pack. They live off of assumption and stereotypes. They talk about someone “running to their mommy” or this guy is “just trying to get money”. They need to put down others in order to mask their own insecurities- like a bully does.

arwiv says:Nov 16, 2013 6:41 PM

nflgreedleague

Im totally with you. Anyone still defending this clown at this point is a major league clown.

It was a planned attack though on his part, make no mistake about that. The fact that his parents are both lawyers is no coincidence either…this is what these people do.

People seem to have a real problem with the fact that Martin was smart enough to go to Stanford, or that his parents worked hard enough to get through Harvard and to put their kids in a good position to get to a good university.
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Hahaha! Good grief. Where to begin?

First, are you honestly suggesting that people get into places like Stanford and Harvard because they’re brilliant? George W. Bush went to Yale College and Harvard Business School, and he can barely get through a sentence. Go look at the socioeconomic demographics at places like Harvard and Stanford and then compare them with lesser schools. For example, a 1996 editorial in The Crimson stated that 85 percent of the Harvard student body came from the richest 7 percent of American homes. Point is, it’s a hell of a lot easier to get a 1500 SAT score when you grow up in a moneyed, educated, two-parent home in suburban Los Angeles than it is if you’re the son of a single mother in Detroit.

Second, I couldn’t help but laugh when I read your phrase “his parents worked hard enough to get through Harvard.” Ha! Here’s a bulletin: getting through Harvard requires no hard work. Go to Google and type in “Harvard” and “grade inflation.” See what comes up. You couldn’t get a C at Harvard if you tried. Again, the only thing difficult about Harvard is getting in, and getting is is largely a function of where you come from.

I it’s starting to sound like frank booth is getting bullied too
Insecurities…no my friend
The people on here just speak whatnseems to be the truth ..
Martin is an over privileged kid who did not get his way and now runs to his lawyer family to protect him instead of letting him grow up
How many last place participation trophies do you have frank booth
The best thing about sports is there are winners and losers
Just as you have to learn to be a good winner you also have to be able to learn how to lose .

vusnu says:Nov 16, 2013 7:06 PM

Right or wrong, this is also about a lawsuit, not just ab out football. Once litigation becomes a factor, it’s best to keep witnesses sequestered, and keep potential lawyers for adverse parties out of the loop. How hard is that to understand?

arwiv says:Nov 16, 2013 7:24 PM

vusnu

you start your post with “Right or wrong” and then you start speaking legalize…..which most people despise. If you want to make a point that anyone takes seriously then I think you need to begin with distinguishing between right and wrong. “Right or wrong” is a disgustingly stupid way to start any argument.

So Martin gets lawered up by his parents who are harassment lawyers, doesn’t want the NFLPA to know anything he has to say. This guy is out to sue and move on to another team both. Lots of luck with that.

I’ve been saying it all along (downvotes be damned): dude was getting owned at LT, was moved to the right when Miami acquired McKinney and then off the field altogether in favor of Clabo. Next thing you know, he throws a temper tantrum and goes AWOL. This whole thing is nothing more than a attempt to justify his irrational departure.

ratbastardshanahandjob says:Nov 16, 2013 9:10 PM

Just how soft is Martin?? He needs a lawyer to hold his hand when he spoke to Wells?? Or is it to keep him from looking like the quitter and rat he is……

Regarding the conflict issue, it is easily resolved. The NFLPA just needs to hire separate law firms. It is like when a guy insured by USAA gets into an accident with another guy insured by USAA. They hire separate attorneys, and the attorneys are answerable only to their clients, no matter who is paying the bill.

chawk12thman says:Nov 16, 2013 10:07 PM

This shows me that he isn’t really planning on taking this through the normal complaint process and there will be prolonged litigation to iron all the juristically relevant questions, before getting to the actual complaint……..This will take a long time….Not looking forward to reading about this issue for the next 6-12 months, but I bet we do.

Jonathan Martin and Jason Collins were both classmates in college and high school. Jason Collins is the first active pro athlete to come out as gay. It takes a certain degree of resiliency and toughness to tell the truth and stand up for your convictions, risking your friends and ostracism from your peers, as he and Jonathan Martin.

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the first sentence is nonsense. Martin is 24, Collins is 34. when Collins was 18 and a senior in high school, Martin was 8 years old and in second grade.
they weren’t classmates, and I don’t know why on earth anyone would make up a lie like this.
the second sentence is also nonsense.
it needs a predicate.

frank booth says:Nov 16, 2013 10:37 PM

green41563 says: Nov 16, 2013 6:51 PM

People seem to have a real problem with the fact that Martin was smart enough to go to Stanford, or that his parents worked hard enough to get through Harvard and to put their kids in a good position to get to a good university.
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Hahaha! Good grief. Where to begin?

First, are you honestly suggesting that people get into places like Stanford and Harvard because they’re brilliant? George W. Bush went to Yale College and Harvard Business School, and he can barely get through a sentence. Go look at the socioeconomic demographics at places like Harvard and Stanford and then compare them with lesser schools. For example, a 1996 editorial in The Crimson stated that 85 percent of the Harvard student body came from the richest 7 percent of American homes. Point is, it’s a hell of a lot easier to get a 1500 SAT score when you grow up in a moneyed, educated, two-parent home in suburban Los Angeles than it is if you’re the son of a single mother in Detroit.

Second, I couldn’t help but laugh when I read your phrase “his parents worked hard enough to get through Harvard.” Ha! Here’s a bulletin: getting through Harvard requires no hard work. Go to Google and type in “Harvard” and “grade inflation.” See what comes up. You couldn’t get a C at Harvard if you tried. Again, the only thing difficult about Harvard is getting in, and getting is is largely a function of where you come from.
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A few points-

Grade inflation happens at a lot of schools.

Your 1996 editorial from the Crimson may be a bit dated

Yes, people do get into good colleges because they are brilliant. Certainly there are legacies and other things, but most schools have certain standards that need to be met in order to get in. Otherwise, everyone would get in.

All you need to do is prove to me that Harvard requires “no hard work” as you say and I’ll believe you. How do you know that “all you have to do is get in”? Did you go there?

Using George Bush as an example of a school’s worthiness is silly. I’m sure we can find examples at every college in the country where someone may not be as worthy.

You’re making silly assumptions about things that you know nothing about.

frank booth says:Nov 16, 2013 10:54 PM

posmoo says: Nov 16, 2013 10:22 PM

Jonathan Martin and Jason Collins were both classmates in college and high school. Jason Collins is the first active pro athlete to come out as gay. It takes a certain degree of resiliency and toughness to tell the truth and stand up for your convictions, risking your friends and ostracism from your peers, as he and Jonathan Martin.

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the first sentence is nonsense. Martin is 24, Collins is 34. when Collins was 18 and a senior in high school, Martin was 8 years old and in second grade.
they weren’t classmates, and I don’t know why on earth anyone would make up a lie like this.
the second sentence is also nonsense.
it needs a predicate.
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You’re right, they went to the same high schools and colleges, but not at the same time. I certainly wasn’t trying to lie- but you knew that already.

Thanks for pointing out my grammar mistake as well. It’s good to know that there are perfect people out there policing the grammar of others. You should be proud of yourself.

You seem to be a really considerate person- Thanks for all of your help. You have clearly proven your point my pointing out my mistakes. Congratulations.

cubb1 says:Nov 17, 2013 5:13 AM

The NFLPA is useless anyway. Wisconsin schoolteachers have a better union.