Stateside's conversation with Thomas Sugrue, a professor of social and cultural analysis and history at New York University and author of "The Origins of the Urban Crisis: Race and Inequality in Postwar Detroit."

Stateside's conversation with Isaiah "Ike" McKinnon, an associate professor of Education at the University of Detroit Mercy, retired Deputy Mayor of Detroit, and retired Chief of Police of the City of Detroit.

It was 1957 when 14-year-old Isaiah "Ike" McKinnon made the decision to become a Detroit police officer. It was a surprising decision given the beating he'd just suffered at the hands of the cops. But instead of turning against the police, McKinnon, who is African-American, decided to join them.