After over 4 years the clan was disbanded We re-made it though, with the help of minitony and hoff

Im going to leave my bot on for awhile, shammies that are listed in the shammy group on the site can use -invite to invite people/themselves back into the clanCurrently the auto re-invite script doesnt exist, i lost itIll make something again to invite people tomorrow (or the next day), so for now a shammy will have to be on to use the -invite command to invite you back inIn a week ill turn chief from the bot over to mark, or maybe pop

Oh yeah, and don't flood the bot by giving it too many commands, it wont auto-reconnect so if it logs off you cant invite people until i check it and i probably will forget about it

As for what happenedWell that is a bit unclear right now, i would need to talk to pop and even then i dont think i would be able to figure it out with 100% certainty

But it wasnt just TMMM that was effected, other mazing clans were disbanded too, and at least 1 was grunt kickedThe grunt kick happened to clan TEW, and Im 85% certain it was Dark judging from the logs of when it happenedHis name wasnt capitalized which has caused some to beleive it wasnt him, but it seems unlikely that it wasnt him given his historyThe only reason Im not 100% sure it was him is because if you were going to do something like that and needed to frame someone Dark would be the perfect patsy and the person that disbanded the clans did get several passwords so him getting darks pass may have been a possibility

As for who disbanded the clans I dont knowAt first i dismissed Dark as being the one that did anything here because i thought since a couple years went by he might have grown up a bit and stopped stupid stuff like this but after talking with some people and reading some logs i was wrong about that so im leaning towards him as the one who did it at about 40% certainty

Whoever did this got the passwords of at least 3 people, pop's, skillz, and whoever was chief of clan clWhich means 1 of 2 things1. All 3 chiefs gave their pass to the person that did it for one reason or another2. The person that did it is at least an average hacker

Number 1 seems more likely to me, since both pop and skillz have given out their pass in the past

Others think it was someone named Jay for various reasonsThe problem with that is that unless pop, or maybe 13, knows a jay tmmm wouldnt have been included in the disbanding since Jay wouldnt have known about tmmm since we havent been active on wc3The fact that tmmm was included means 1 of 2 things1. The person that did it knows tmmm from back in the day2. Pop or another member of tmmm has made tmmm more active on wc3, enough to get the attention of whoever did it

So to sum upThe person that did this is 1 of the following1. A huge troll/douchebag whos been around for awhile who tricked the chiefs into giving him their passwords2. A hacker with a hatred of mazing3. A hacking troll thats been around for a while

Number 1 describes Dark pretty well and number 3 describes the only other suspect i can think of that fits any of the above 3 things, but he would only have a problem with tmmmRemember when we got hit with spambots a long time ago, the guy that sent those is described by number 3, but i highly doubt it was himThe only reason im even considering it is because hoff mentioned spambots, but from what he said they dont sound like those spambots came from the same person that sent spambots on us way back then

Since i only know of mazing clans being disbanded number 2 has to have a hatred for mazing and that seems highly unlikelyBut if other clans, other then mazing, were disbanded then number 2 is much more likely, but instead of a hatred for mazing it could just be a troll hacker picking clans at random

If anyone has any info or theories post them below

Last edited by Pat1487 on Fri May 18, 2012 4:20 pm; edited 1 time in total

i really doubt it was dark. i got to know him awhile back and he's a pretty good guy. got the impression that the shit he did in the past was mostly cuz we take ourselves too seriously (not such a bad point just really poorly expressed).

if i were to guess itd be whoevers the bot whore (dont mean it negatively at all, but it is semi accurate) currently. theyve usually got the most access / power

Yeah we remade it exactly the way it was, with spelling errors, lowercase letters and a missing "The"

Amaz and kallock didnt have access cause i added the name Kallock (and not ffslayer which is the name he is using) and i spelled amazs name like "Amazing[G]", ive fixed it now

And nomor being the one seems unlikelyI can see him saying he was the one maybe, but i dont think he would be the one to actually do it

Serenity09 wrote:

i really doubt it was dark. i got to know him awhile back and he's a pretty good guy. got the impression that the shit he did in the past was mostly cuz we take ourselves too seriously (not such a bad point just really poorly expressed).

Thats how he is though, he knows how to get people to like him regardless of how he actually is by saying things the person hes talking to will find agreeable (or disagreeable depending on the person)I do it too in certain situations, especially online, it makes talking to people go smoother and you can fix whatever small lies you told to that person later once they like youAnd that would be fine if that was all he did

But he does 2 things that make it wrong1. He tells bigger lies (like pretending to be the map maker of a popular map)2. He takes advantage of the people he does it to 9 times out of 10

Normally doing those 2 things wouldnt work out, but he does it in a way that he manages to fix the big lies and gets most of the people he takes advantage of back to liking him by doing basically the same thing he did the first time, just with more appeasementI fell for it once to, that time i let dark challenge and take shammy

Serenity09 wrote:

if i were to guess itd be whoevers the bot whore (dont mean it negatively at all, but it is semi accurate) currently. theyve usually got the most access / power

Did you add in that part about it not being negative because you remembered that i was once the bot whore lol

This is a possibility, but i dont think 1 person has as much access as i once hadMainly because everyone has at least a stealth bot these days, back when i had shammy of 4 clans was a time when bots were barely around and no one really knew what they were yet

Someone said they have evidence that it was Shants/Dark and othersShants might do that under the influence of dark so its believable to me

what if it was all secretly patjust fucking with everyone and laughing his ass off while doing it

this actually kinda makes me think of a game of mafia

setup 1 cop, 1 doc, 3 blues, 2 mafplayers: seren, pat, dark, arun, pop, amaz and markbesides myself i didnt show any favoritism, i just thought this would be the dumbest setupif i was picking favorites i woulda replaced most of these

not sure what i was gonna try to do here but if you guys wanna vote on who to lynch then ill do a d2 (new game!)

also i really dont mind darks whole mysterious and misunderstood thing. if he wants to be a manipulative crowd pleaser thats okay. for the most part it stays away from us and probably makes him happy.

because honestly lets just think about what happened in perspective. like what did we lose. a ton of inactive people and a 4 year streak. now i love tmmm as much as the next guy, but lets not put too much stress on the whole longevity thing. like it was cool to be by far the oldest mazing clan thats never been disbanded but that title is really the only thing we lost. and considering that the site is really where its at anyways this matters less than not at all

now that hopefully any seriousness is gone, i wonder if there's anything fun we can do back...

I honestly would not be surprised at all if it was pat all along.Think about it...1) The wc3 clan it's self is almost worthless, and what worth it has was restored as soon as pat remade it.2) Hurting other clans has made it a big deal.3) It's caused more activity on the forum.4) Its fucking hilarious.5) Pat knows how to keep up an act (remember when he decided he was gonna shut down the site?)6) Most people on wc3 are idiots and have no computer skills whatsoever, but pat isn't an idiot and has computer skills, which makes it easy for him7) He gave the movement that caused this damage a cool name (project mazehem) Which came about from "project mayhem" from one of pat's favorite movies (fight club) and now he just happens to what to attach it to the people that hurt his clan? more likely he wants the name to be part of who he is.

I remade the auto reinvite script (i havent actually tested it)Backseat is the only one that will be reinvited because i dont know who still playsMsg me in PM if you want to be re-invited or if you know of someone who would want to be re-invited

kinda on this subject... would any of us have enough time to really get an active clan over the summer?like i can do some week nights but probably not weekends, but i think itd be really fun if there's some other people interested?it wouldnt have to be for wc3 either, sc2 or d2 might work just as well?

like the forum is active and fun to just hang out and talk, but its been awhile since we've had a game clan

Yeah, there was an error, i cant remember how to program the bot There are a bunch of function calls that you need to know that i dont remember anymore, i could look them up but mehIve just given you the ability to use -invite so you can invite yourself now

Also the chief can be transferredI was going to give chief to mark but he hasnt been on wc3 since project mazehem went down13 is the only one the bot has seen playing wc3 regularly so i was thinking of transferring chief to him unless someone else was playing or will playAny ideas/suggestions on who it should go to would be appreciated

I really don't think it matters who the chief goes to. The clan and game are pretty much dead, so giving someone chief would just be to make it look like the clan is still "alive". Chief won't matter now that not many people play.

i think if pop wants it, he should be able to have it back, but i like the idea of it going to 13. mark would be just as good but i doubt he'll want to play enough for it to be a good idea.

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I really don't think it matters who the chief goes to. The clan and game are pretty much dead, so giving someone chief would just be to make it look like the clan is still "alive". Chief won't matter now that not many people play.