haase wrote:The saddest thing about this rhetoric is, place any weapon you want to think of in a room for how ever long you want to, atomic bomb, knife gun, what ever you want, no human contact, open that door 10 years later and see how many deaths any of these weapons have caused, none, want to place a blame on someone like the nra, place it on a lack of common sense.

Hard to stop someone from doing you harm if they are willing to die to complete their mission.That’s what makes the terrorist so effective. Doesn’t matter the weapon the end results is the same.

Mark Twain Quotes. Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself.

I understand what you're saying cb, and I agree, still doesn't take away from the end result, these people are cowards and don't have any common sense, and it always gets blamed on something else, seems like the villain is remembered longer than victom.

bball wrote:At the risk of sounding insensitive, and this is not my intent, but has anyone paused to put the school shootings into perspective? Does anyone realize just exactly what a skewed perspective we are being fed by the media? These shootings get tremendous media coverage and guns are attacked, when 17 or 13 or even 20 school aged children are killed by one of these lunatics. The much harsher reality is that the number of adolescent victims of shootings is a small fraction of the number of adolescents that will die this year due to drug and alcohol use. When you look at the tremendous number of schools in this country and compare that to the very limited number of occurrences of these events, it's amazing really. It is a tragedy and my heart breaks for the children and their families. I have school aged children still. Reality is this: my children have a much higher probability of be killed driving and texting, drug overdose or alcohol related death then being killed by a school mate with a firearm. But the media coverage stirs the emotional response and guns become the focus and becomes the point of contention between 2 ineffective political parties. Take away the assault rifles; then shot guns will be next, or any other means that a kid that wants to hurt someone will use. Ever been in the parking lot when school let's out? A lunatic with a vehicle could hurt a lot of kids very quickly. We, as a whole, have lost sight of reality, and now we reap the consequences...

ddd75 wrote:they want police states, with military personal at every government controlled entity.

Now, it seems thanks to the media.. thats what the people 'want' as well.

Soon, we'll be in full socialism as all our money will go to 'protect' ourselves.

This is a scary and dangerous path.

It is not just a function of media. The politicians also fuel the fire. As populations grow, there is a natural increase in "needs". I agree with your assessment, there is a move toward socialism. There always has been and Social Security was a big step in that direction. It is the nature of the beast.

bball wrote:At the risk of sounding insensitive, and this is not my intent, but has anyone paused to put the school shootings into perspective? Does anyone realize just exactly what a skewed perspective we are being fed by the media? These shootings get tremendous media coverage and guns are attacked, when 17 or 13 or even 20 school aged children are killed by one of these lunatics. The much harsher reality is that the number of adolescent victims of shootings is a small fraction of the number of adolescents that will die this year due to drug and alcohol use. When you look at the tremendous number of schools in this country and compare that to the very limited number of occurrences of these events, it's amazing really. It is a tragedy and my heart breaks for the children and their families. I have school aged children still. Reality is this: my children have a much higher probability of be killed driving and texting, drug overdose or alcohol related death then being killed by a school mate with a firearm. But the media coverage stirs the emotional response and guns become the focus and becomes the point of contention between 2 ineffective political parties. Take away the assault rifles; then shot guns will be next, or any other means that a kid that wants to hurt someone will use. Ever been in the parking lot when school let's out? A lunatic with a vehicle could hurt a lot of kids very quickly. We, as a whole, have lost sight of reality, and now we reap the consequences...

True Grit Farms wrote:Do ya'll just repeat the stuff you hear on the fake news networks? Of course the NRA supports the Republican more because that party believes in individual rights and the majority of Republicans vote pro gun. But when a Democrat is pro gun they get the NRA's endorsement also. Maybe this article or a bunch just like will change your minds. IMO any legal gun owner that doesn't belong to the NRA is against individual gun rights.http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 06329.html

Are they really pro-rights, or pro-their-rights? Or are they simply pro-getting-the-vote-of-the-guy-that-likes-guns? I'm not advocating for the Democrats, because, well, just because, but I have my reasons. At this point, I'm a political alley cat-I can't find anyone that I trust or like, so I try to ignore it all and do my own thing. Washington has been, and will always be, a game for the uber rich to play to keep the rest of us placated enough for them and their cronies to stay in power and move the dollars toward their end of the table. Trump had promised to drain the swamp, but I'm not seeing it.

For the great things are not done by impulse, but by a series of small things brought together. ~Vincent van GoghThe fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves.-Julius Caesar

haase wrote:I understand what you're saying cb, and I agree, still doesn't take away from the end result, these people are cowards and don't have any common sense, and it always gets blamed on something else, seems like the villain is remembered longer than victom.

They don't care if they are cowards, gutless, idiots are anything else. End result is all that matters to these individuals thus they are the problem. Guy gotta be a bubble off plumb to carry out these atrocities.

A dung beetle walks into a bar, looks around and says "Is this stool taken"????

bball wrote:At the risk of sounding insensitive, and this is not my intent, but has anyone paused to put the school shootings into perspective? Does anyone realize just exactly what a skewed perspective we are being fed by the media? These shootings get tremendous media coverage and guns are attacked, when 17 or 13 or even 20 school aged children are killed by one of these lunatics. The much harsher reality is that the number of adolescent victims of shootings is a small fraction of the number of adolescents that will die this year due to drug and alcohol use. When you look at the tremendous number of schools in this country and compare that to the very limited number of occurrences of these events, it's amazing really. It is a tragedy and my heart breaks for the children and their families. I have school aged children still. Reality is this: my children have a much higher probability of be killed driving and texting, drug overdose or alcohol related death then being killed by a school mate with a firearm. But the media coverage stirs the emotional response and guns become the focus and becomes the point of contention between 2 ineffective political parties. Take away the assault rifles; then shot guns will be next, or any other means that a kid that wants to hurt someone will use. Ever been in the parking lot when school let's out? A lunatic with a vehicle could hurt a lot of kids very quickly. We, as a whole, have lost sight of reality, and now we reap the consequences...

It had to be said, and you said it well.

These school shootings are tools of manipulators to further the agenda of total confiscation of guns. It may take years, but they will never relent.

bball wrote: "The juice wasn't worth the squeeze."Dun said, "You gotta be flexible. Do whatever you have to do for the best results within your limitations."

All this crap over a plastic gun. A M-1 carbine has same rate of fire , shoots 15 or 30 round clips, larger bullet with more knock down power. It’s been around since 1943, as a kid in 1965 I bought one from Sears Mail Order. I was 10 years old, I wanted a rifle to match the one my Dad brought back from WW11.

So that means boys and girls we’ve had a assault rifle for a long time without all these nut job shootings

JSCATTLE wrote:I know it's not a popular opinion but I think we need more school control. Lock it down like fort Knox. Badge in and out and if you act up or don't belong you are escorted to the gate. I have to keep 2 badges to get into work. I am subject to search at any moment. My belongings car and person. I feel like school should prepare kids for the future. All the way down to how to act on the job . School is their job for 12 to 16 years before they get paid. Not to mention kids are a parents most prized. " possession " . If we lose our kids the wife and I can't have more. We need to take the gun free out of schools with armed personnel be it cops trained teachers ex military etc. Otherwise it's too late to stop the killing. Guns are out there crazy people are in possession of guns . So no law or ban is gonna fix it.

Thank you for your statement JS. I tend to lean in that direction also. The schools are there to educate our kids. Let us not think of education at this time but discipline. Every morning these kids should enter that school knowing that the Principal is in charge. They are there for an education and the the door should be barred behind them from terrorists, gun assailants, salesmen and yes their parents. We did it years ago and it worked well and sprouted many fine citizens and no "I want to be famous" shooters. Any parents object to this rule, Fine, take your child home and home school them.Society has no place for you in the system. The schools need to run just as the future work force runs. The Principal is the boss and what he says goes. And the teachers are the foremen or divisional commanders, whatever.After school these kids will be better prepared to enter the work force or the Military without misunderstanding the chain of command. At the same time with the doors barred no one unauthorized enters. We have become a weak society because of the Press and "WEAK" parents that think their kids can do no wrong. These parents ,and I use the words lightly , are the biggest part of the problem. If they instilled more discipline in the children we would not have the size problem this has become.Remember this,Our kids are not bad! NO WORSE THAN WE WERE, but we were disciplined by our parents and the schools and it didn't hurt that many of us.ps: I wanted to add my 2 cents but the emoticons are not working.

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JSCATTLE wrote:I know it's not a popular opinion but I think we need more school control. Lock it down like fort Knox. Badge in and out and if you act up or don't belong you are escorted to the gate. I have to keep 2 badges to get into work. I am subject to search at any moment. My belongings car and person. I feel like school should prepare kids for the future. All the way down to how to act on the job . School is their job for 12 to 16 years before they get paid. Not to mention kids are a parents most prized. " possession " . If we lose our kids the wife and I can't have more. We need to take the gun free out of schools with armed personnel be it cops trained teachers ex military etc. Otherwise it's too late to stop the killing. Guns are out there crazy people are in possession of guns . So no law or ban is gonna fix it.

Thank you for your statement JS. I tend to lean in that direction also. The schools are there to educate our kids. Let us not think of education at this time but discipline. Every morning these kids should enter that school knowing that the Principal is in charge. They are there for an education and the the door should be barred behind them from terrorists, gun assailants, salesmen and yes their parents. We did it years ago and it worked well and sprouted many fine citizens and no "I want to be famous" shooters. Any parents object to this rule, Fine, take your child home and home school them.Society has no place for you in the system. The schools need to run just as the future work force runs. The Principal is the boss and what he says goes. And the teachers are the foremen or divisional commanders, whatever.After school these kids will be better prepared to enter the work force or the Military without misunderstanding the chain of command. At the same time with the doors barred no one unauthorized enters. We have become a weak society because of the Press and "WEAK" parents that think their kids can do no wrong. These parents ,and I use the words lightly , are the biggest part of the problem. If they instilled more discipline in the children we would not have the size problem this has become.Remember this,Our kids are not bad! NO WORSE THAN WE WERE, but we were disciplined by our parents and the schools and it didn't hurt that many of us.ps: I wanted to add my 2 cents but the emoticons are not working.

houstoncutter wrote:All this crap over a plastic gun. A M-1 carbine has same rate of fire , shoots 15 or 30 round clips, larger bullet with more knock down power. It’s been around since 1943, as a kid in 1965 I bought one from Sears Mail Order. I was 10 years old, I wanted a rifle to match the one my Dad brought back from WW11.

So that means boys and girls we’ve had a assault rifle for a long time without all these nut job shootings

All it takes is for somebody to be first. Terrorism was hardly in anyone's vocabulary until the Munich Olympics 1972 and even then most just thought "Oh well that's Europe"

A dung beetle walks into a bar, looks around and says "Is this stool taken"????

This really isn’t about gun control IMO but control of the masses. The founding fathers included the 2nd amendment armed your a citizen unarmed a subject. There is a fight for our country and the founding principles. Even in the Civil War both sides believed in the constitution but disagreed on interpretation. Today there is a side that wants to do away with several amendments.

Mark Twain Quotes. Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself.