Chris Broussard reported the Cavs got in on the action with Denver and NJ. They had the framework of a trade hammered out that would have sent Troy Murphy's expiring and two first rounders to the Cavs. But the Cavs wanted Golden State's '12 first rounder that New Jersey currently owns, and the Nets aren't eager to part with that.

So it looks like this trade will happen without the Cavs' participation.

Guess as long as these guys have the juice to dictate where they play that they will act on it. And while I don't blame them for it I really wish it'd stop.

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Denver's return will be better than Cleveland's. At least their "star" gave them notice.

"It's all about winning for me, and I think the Cavs are committed to doing that," he said. "But at the same time I've given myself options to this point, and like I said before, me and my team, we have a game plan that we're going to execute, and we'll see what we get."

papacass wrote:Chris Broussard reported the Cavs got in on the action with Denver and NJ. They had the framework of a trade hammered out that would have sent Troy Murphy's expiring and two first rounders to the Cavs. But the Cavs wanted Golden State's '12 first rounder that New Jersey currently owns, and the Nets aren't eager to part with that.

So it looks like this trade will happen without the Cavs' participation.

Playing Dunphy's advocate: Depends on when the two firsts are. If one of them isn't the '11 pick and the Nets actually fit some talent around Melo and Lopez, then you're looking at picks in the JJ range.

Then again, the GSW pick is lotto-protected. That really shouldn't have been much of a deal-breaker.

"The fucking Who...... If I want to watch old people run around ill go set fire to a nursing home." - CDT

Playing Dunphy's advocate: Depends on when the two firsts are. If one of them isn't the '11 pick and the Nets actually fit some talent around Melo and Lopez, then you're looking at picks in the JJ range.

Then again, the GSW pick is lotto-protected. That really shouldn't have been much of a deal-breaker.

New Jersey Nets: Receives Golden State's 2011 first-round pick (lottery protected in 2011, top 11 protected in 2012, top 10 protected in 2013. If it is not conveyed by 2013, the Nets get second-round picks in 2013 and 2015) via Marcus Williams trade on 7/22/08.

ah, yes..within 5 years we will see a 12 team league with teams in LA, NYC, Boston, Miami, Chicago, Dallas, and Houston, and then the NBA will disapear onto MTV2 as the leadin program for lingerie football.

Swerb wrote:Go start a blog if you want to tell the world your incomprehendible ramblings.

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I have a big arm and can throw the ball pretty damn far...... maybe even over those moutains. The Browns should sign me, i'll let you all in locker room to drink beer. Then we can all go out the parking lot to watch me do motorcycle stunts.

Why you, as a 20ish year old kid, still living in the 90s and fronting about shit like 12 team league bullshit as Denver is bout to deal the most overrated player in the NBA for 55 first round picks and huge cap relief?

I mean your fake ass Lollapalooza post in the Browns forum was cute and all, but have you ever considered looking forward and doing something beyond blowing peeps on message boards that don't even respect you (WAR: 75 anti SEC posts in one night!!!!)

I'm at school and trying to get my degree. don't know what else to tell ya buddy.

Want to talk about respect, what of the post you made last june melting down about tree and Swerb telling you he doesn't give a shit whether you were here or not? Or CDT telling you to shut up and calling you a fag?

really the kettle calling the pot black, eh, holmes

go run along to your secret little "No homers club" and go see if anyone will take that rookie Vlade Divac Topps card off your hands.

Swerb wrote:Go start a blog if you want to tell the world your incomprehendible ramblings.

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I have a big arm and can throw the ball pretty damn far...... maybe even over those moutains. The Browns should sign me, i'll let you all in locker room to drink beer. Then we can all go out the parking lot to watch me do motorcycle stunts.

hard to do that when every team is pretty much irrelevant that I follow. ;).

I feel you in a way though, I do want to move on from the whole dwelling on the things that suck thing.

Swerb wrote:Go start a blog if you want to tell the world your incomprehendible ramblings.

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I have a big arm and can throw the ball pretty damn far...... maybe even over those moutains. The Browns should sign me, i'll let you all in locker room to drink beer. Then we can all go out the parking lot to watch me do motorcycle stunts.

Denver sportstalk was airing Prokhorov's audio bites, listen to them if you have the chance. The guy is awesome. Kept calling him Carmela (likely not on purpose) just sounds like a serious bad ass Russian. Whether he is or not I have no idea.

NJ owner is a sharp dude. Still think there's a team out there outside of the Nets/Knicks that will land him, at least for the rest of the season and then.....................who knows.

My question is this though: Is Carmelo Anthony an elite player? I am not saying he is or he isn't, but what would you do to acquire him or would you?

"It's all about winning for me, and I think the Cavs are committed to doing that," he said. "But at the same time I've given myself options to this point, and like I said before, me and my team, we have a game plan that we're going to execute, and we'll see what we get."

Hamilton, Billups, Anthony, Lopez, and company maybe become the third seed in the East. That's probably being generous. Hamilton is on the bench in Detroit and Billups doesn't want to leave Denver. That doesn't even address selling out your future in Favors and the draft picks, or the fact you are giving up a very servicable point guard.

No one knows what the follow the leader crowd of young NBA players will do next. You want to mortgage your future on the least likely to be a Championship Leader of that class?

"When a man with money meets a man with experience, the man with experience leaves with money and the man with money leaves with experience."

rebelwithoutaclue wrote:To sum it up: Carmelo is inefficient because he goes 1on1 too often and takes the most contested, i.e. stupid, shots in the league. Article Bonus: Dwyane Wade is almost as inefficient as Carmelo.

20-25 years ago, my friends and I were watching an NBA game and Rory Sparrow made a steal on the defensive end. The fastbreak ensues and Rory Sparrow proceeded to jak up the most ill advised, ugly looking shot despite having multiple open teammates. It was like, " I stole the ball and god damn it, I am taking this shot" From then on, if you took an overly contested, stupid shot in our pick up games, you got called out for doing a Rory Sparrow.

Love child of shawn kemp wrote:20-25 years ago, my friends and I were watching an NBA game and Rory Sparrow made a steal on the defensive end. The fastbreak ensues and Rory Sparrow proceeded to jak up the most ill advised, ugly looking shot despite having multiple open teammates. It was like, " I stole the ball and god damn it, I am taking this shot" From then on, if you took an overly contested, stupid shot in our pick up games, you got called out for doing a Rory Sparrow.

Love child of shawn kemp wrote:20-25 years ago, my friends and I were watching an NBA game and Rory Sparrow made a steal on the defensive end. The fastbreak ensues and Rory Sparrow proceeded to jak up the most ill advised, ugly looking shot despite having multiple open teammates. It was like, " I stole the ball and god damn it, I am taking this shot" From then on, if you took an overly contested, stupid shot in our pick up games, you got called out for doing a Rory Sparrow.

We had something similar. We referred to those types of shots as "Otis Birdsong's" as it was always thought by our group that he had a penchant for trying shots with high degrees of difficulty.

"It's all about winning for me, and I think the Cavs are committed to doing that," he said. "But at the same time I've given myself options to this point, and like I said before, me and my team, we have a game plan that we're going to execute, and we'll see what we get."

^Includes a first round pick too. Just saw it flash on the ticker during the Kentucky game.

Curry is an 11 million dollar ending deal. Danilo Gallinari is a 3rd year player averaging 16ppg and 5 rebounds. Felton is at 17ppg and 9 dimes. Then there is the other unnamed starter and the first rounder.

New York receives 'Melo and Billups. Melo being the FA that according to all the noise would sign an extension to play in New York and Billups has a team option for next year.

Eh, this makes sense if it makes them a title contender this year (I don't support that IMO). Otherwise wait and sign him as an outright FA, and keep Danilo and Felton and the unamed starter and the #1.

"When a man with money meets a man with experience, the man with experience leaves with money and the man with money leaves with experience."

Everybody here is ready to trade Melo and get it over with. If I am Denver I say screw it. Hold on to him and hope he decides to take the certainty of signing before the new CBA, also there seems to be momentum towards having a franchise designation. Their franchise is not in a position to reload. If Melo leaves they are going to have to completely rebuild anyway. Felton, Gallinari, Nene, Ty Lawson and the 20th pick in the draft aren't competing for shit.

I think alot is how you think of felton. He's putting up a better line than he has so far. Trend or carer year? gallinari fills a stat sheet up nicely. Good player. game changer? Probably not. You can survive losing him. Losing the Curry card sucks. You work to develop those opportunities and suffer until they finally arrve.

As has been written, Mello ain't what the media makes him, but not like he sucks. At all.

One important point is whether this would cap out the Knicks, and nobody can answer that right now.

I still say it comes down to PR, and in the end Dolan can't walk away from the need to get Mello PR wise. The art of the deal is being able to walk away. I don't thinnk he will.

jb wrote:I think alot is how you think of felton. He's putting up a better line than he has so far. Trend or carer year? gallinari fills a stat sheet up nicely. Good player. game changer? Probably not. You can survive losing him. Losing the Curry card sucks. You work to develop those opportunities and suffer until they finally arrve.

As has been written, Mello ain't what the media makes him, but not like he sucks. At all.

One important point is whether this would cap out the Knicks, and nobody can answer that right now.

I still say it comes down to PR, and in the end Dolan can't walk away from the need to get Mello PR wise. The art of the deal is being able to walk away. I don't thinnk he will.

The Knicks could certainly use another 'Defense is the time between my shots' guys. And another one without a physical presence a la LBJ. Damn that draft produced some fake tough guys as Durant might say.

Do 132-127 losses sting less? Are they more exciting to the Garden crowd?

You might be right about the Knicks mistaking 'Melo for a PR need but that team's going to need to carefully seek and find some of the parts necessary to win playoff series and titles.

Melo ain't that in and of himself. I don't think any of the players/expirings mentioned individually or collectively stop you from doing the deal, but they better assume it's just another piece of the puzzle and not the final answer.

peeker643 wrote:You might be right about the Knicks mistaking 'Melo for a PR need but that team's going to need to carefully seek and find some of the parts necessary to win playoff series and titles.

Melo ain't that in and of himself. I don't think any of the players/expirings mentioned individually or collectively stop you from doing the deal, but they better assume it's just another piece of the puzzle and not the final answer.

Concur. Then again, next time a D'antonio team plays D is the first.

Dantonio knows that. But Dolan doesn't. And he's left to cater to NY Fan who acts lke it is their birthright that every talented FA must go there, esp if they are from the area and went to 'Cuse.

The Nets would be giving Denver the Warriors' top 7-protected first rounder next year in this Melo deal. I doubt the Cavs taking on Murphy's contract(expiring this year) would be enough to make them send it here in a 3 way trade. Would adding one of the Heat first rounders be enough? That's the exact kind of pick that we should be targeting with this trade exception(probably in the #10 range), make it happen. Maybe we could take on Al Harrington and the Birdman for them instead? Both have 3-4 year deals that they probably want to get rid of.

"Well then I guess there's only one thing left to do...win the whole, f***in', thing."- Jake Taylor