One tweeted: "A million and one good memories, laughs and silly arguments to remember with my lil bro".

Another wrote: "If only I stopped you and advised you not to go to that rave you are such a beautiful genuine smart young lad," adding "may you rest in eternal peace sir because you of all people most definitely deserve it".

Comments

Annon43
11:39pm Tue 17 Jun 14

It's believed that his drink was spiked so it probably wasn't his choice to take drugs, so he went to a rave, he didn't organise it or profit from it....... He was a 15 year old with his whole life ahead of him and family and friends that loved him and cared about him, whatever your views, he didn't deserve to die.

It's believed that his drink was spiked so it probably wasn't his choice to take drugs, so he went to a rave, he didn't organise it or profit from it....... He was a 15 year old with his whole life ahead of him and family and friends that loved him and cared about him, whatever your views, he didn't deserve to die.Annon43

It's believed that his drink was spiked so it probably wasn't his choice to take drugs, so he went to a rave, he didn't organise it or profit from it....... He was a 15 year old with his whole life ahead of him and family and friends that loved him and cared about him, whatever your views, he didn't deserve to die.

Score: 3

Noddyblanket
11:57am Tue 17 Jun 14

What a terrible waste... 15 years old just starting out. Thoughts to all friends and family

What a terrible waste... 15 years old just starting out. Thoughts to all friends and familyNoddyblanket

What a terrible waste... 15 years old just starting out. Thoughts to all friends and family

Score: 10

Dani78
12:11pm Tue 17 Jun 14

the promoters of this event should be held repsonsible for this... where were the parents for these kids... so so sad

the promoters of this event should be held repsonsible for this... where were the parents for these kids... so so sadDani78

the promoters of this event should be held repsonsible for this... where were the parents for these kids... so so sad

Score: 13

NR23Derek
1:36pm Tue 17 Jun 14

Events like this shouldn't be happening, but no-one seems to be asking why they are. The basic reason for squat parties - call them what they are; "Speak easies" - is because the huge demand for them form the rave culture has no-where legal to go.

For years now successive laws have tried to clamp down on raves, first the 1994 Criminal Justice act and then many others. For 20 or more years now the authorities have tried and failed to kill the rave culture. The result is ever more dangerous and socially damaging events. At the same time legal venues have been sanitised and turned into expensive alcohol soaked rip-offs. Going to nightclubs now isn’t much fun, often there are door searches, strict sound level limits, bouncers watching your every move and even dress codes for heaven’s sake. Free or squat parties are a free space, where punters can really let their hair down. It’s no wonder they are so very popular.

All this of course has come about because of the drug laws. Not only have they created a huge unregulated and uncontrolled supply industry, but also the entertainment to go with it, just as in the days of US alcohol prohibition, Al Capone and the speakeasies.

A young person died at this event, and others have died in legal clubs due to contaminated or super strong drugs. All this is a product of the war on drugs. It's not control and it's not regulation.

Yes, the people who organised the event were irresponsible and the people who attend were likewise, but the law hasn’t and will not deter them, just as the drugs laws do not deter drug use. The real people with blood on their hands are the politicians and supporters of the war on drugs who have created this mess and worse who failed to learn from the American experience of prohibition. The politicians and their servants the police have created the conditions for this 21st century version of the speak easy. We need to deal with the cause of this, not the symptoms. We need drug law reform and we need it now.

Events like this shouldn't be happening, but no-one seems to be asking why they are. The basic reason for squat parties - call them what they are; "Speak easies" - is because the huge demand for them form the rave culture has no-where legal to go.
For years now successive laws have tried to clamp down on raves, first the 1994 Criminal Justice act and then many others. For 20 or more years now the authorities have tried and failed to kill the rave culture. The result is ever more dangerous and socially damaging events. At the same time legal venues have been sanitised and turned into expensive alcohol soaked rip-offs. Going to nightclubs now isn’t much fun, often there are door searches, strict sound level limits, bouncers watching your every move and even dress codes for heaven’s sake. Free or squat parties are a free space, where punters can really let their hair down. It’s no wonder they are so very popular.
All this of course has come about because of the drug laws. Not only have they created a huge unregulated and uncontrolled supply industry, but also the entertainment to go with it, just as in the days of US alcohol prohibition, Al Capone and the speakeasies.
A young person died at this event, and others have died in legal clubs due to contaminated or super strong drugs. All this is a product of the war on drugs. It's not control and it's not regulation.
Yes, the people who organised the event were irresponsible and the people who attend were likewise, but the law hasn’t and will not deter them, just as the drugs laws do not deter drug use. The real people with blood on their hands are the politicians and supporters of the war on drugs who have created this mess and worse who failed to learn from the American experience of prohibition. The politicians and their servants the police have created the conditions for this 21st century version of the speak easy. We need to deal with the cause of this, not the symptoms. We need drug law reform and we need it now.NR23Derek

Events like this shouldn't be happening, but no-one seems to be asking why they are. The basic reason for squat parties - call them what they are; "Speak easies" - is because the huge demand for them form the rave culture has no-where legal to go.

For years now successive laws have tried to clamp down on raves, first the 1994 Criminal Justice act and then many others. For 20 or more years now the authorities have tried and failed to kill the rave culture. The result is ever more dangerous and socially damaging events. At the same time legal venues have been sanitised and turned into expensive alcohol soaked rip-offs. Going to nightclubs now isn’t much fun, often there are door searches, strict sound level limits, bouncers watching your every move and even dress codes for heaven’s sake. Free or squat parties are a free space, where punters can really let their hair down. It’s no wonder they are so very popular.

All this of course has come about because of the drug laws. Not only have they created a huge unregulated and uncontrolled supply industry, but also the entertainment to go with it, just as in the days of US alcohol prohibition, Al Capone and the speakeasies.

A young person died at this event, and others have died in legal clubs due to contaminated or super strong drugs. All this is a product of the war on drugs. It's not control and it's not regulation.

Yes, the people who organised the event were irresponsible and the people who attend were likewise, but the law hasn’t and will not deter them, just as the drugs laws do not deter drug use. The real people with blood on their hands are the politicians and supporters of the war on drugs who have created this mess and worse who failed to learn from the American experience of prohibition. The politicians and their servants the police have created the conditions for this 21st century version of the speak easy. We need to deal with the cause of this, not the symptoms. We need drug law reform and we need it now.

Score: 1

alroutemaster
3:53pm Tue 17 Jun 14

Rest in peace, but let's not have the usual rubbish in cases like this, where everybody says what a great and wonderful person the victim was. He was attending an illegal rave. His choice. He took illegal drugs. His choice. True, somebody organised this (illegally) but he (and hundreds of others) chose to attend, and in this instance paid the ultimate price.

Rest in peace, but let's not have the usual rubbish in cases like this, where everybody says what a great and wonderful person the victim was. He was attending an illegal rave. His choice. He took illegal drugs. His choice. True, somebody organised this (illegally) but he (and hundreds of others) chose to attend, and in this instance paid the ultimate price.alroutemaster

Rest in peace, but let's not have the usual rubbish in cases like this, where everybody says what a great and wonderful person the victim was. He was attending an illegal rave. His choice. He took illegal drugs. His choice. True, somebody organised this (illegally) but he (and hundreds of others) chose to attend, and in this instance paid the ultimate price.

Score: 14

Dani78
4:13pm Tue 17 Jun 14

alroutemaster wrote…

Rest in peace, but let's not have the usual rubbish in cases like this, where everybody says what a great and wonderful person the victim was. He was attending an illegal rave. His choice. He took illegal drugs. His choice. True, somebody organised this (illegally) but he (and hundreds of others) chose to attend, and in this instance paid the ultimate price.

This was a **** kid for FFS... yes he attended but the promoters should never have let this kd into the premises..

alroutemaster are a **** disgrace, guessing your one of the people involved with ths event. knob

[quote][p][bold]alroutemaster[/bold] wrote:
Rest in peace, but let's not have the usual rubbish in cases like this, where everybody says what a great and wonderful person the victim was. He was attending an illegal rave. His choice. He took illegal drugs. His choice. True, somebody organised this (illegally) but he (and hundreds of others) chose to attend, and in this instance paid the ultimate price.[/p][/quote]This was a **** kid for FFS... yes he attended but the promoters should never have let this kd into the premises..
alroutemaster are a **** disgrace, guessing your one of the people involved with ths event. knobDani78

alroutemaster wrote…

Rest in peace, but let's not have the usual rubbish in cases like this, where everybody says what a great and wonderful person the victim was. He was attending an illegal rave. His choice. He took illegal drugs. His choice. True, somebody organised this (illegally) but he (and hundreds of others) chose to attend, and in this instance paid the ultimate price.

This was a **** kid for FFS... yes he attended but the promoters should never have let this kd into the premises..

alroutemaster are a **** disgrace, guessing your one of the people involved with ths event. knob

Score: -11

Annon43
6:27pm Tue 17 Jun 14

What a tragic waste of a young life, the boy was 15 years old, yes he attended an ileagle rave, however it's believed that he shared a spiked drink!!! And Just because he attended an ileagle rave it doesn't mean he wasn't a wonderful person, or he took ileagle drugs he was just a kid who shared a beer!!!! If the police knew about this at the beginning of June there should have been preventative action taken to avoid this rave in the first place. The promoters and organisers won't give a monkeys that somebody died, unless they get caught, at £15 a ticket no overheads and say 2000 young people attending they made 30k for a nights work..... If that's what you call it, easy money for them. Talk to your kids, be honest with them and teach them to be honest with you, that way you'll know where they are as I would imagine his parents just thought he was hanging out with mates. A young lad has lost his life and his parents have lost their son.

What a tragic waste of a young life, the boy was 15 years old, yes he attended an ileagle rave, however it's believed that he shared a spiked drink!!! And Just because he attended an ileagle rave it doesn't mean he wasn't a wonderful person, or he took ileagle drugs he was just a kid who shared a beer!!!! If the police knew about this at the beginning of June there should have been preventative action taken to avoid this rave in the first place. The promoters and organisers won't give a monkeys that somebody died, unless they get caught, at £15 a ticket no overheads and say 2000 young people attending they made 30k for a nights work..... If that's what you call it, easy money for them. Talk to your kids, be honest with them and teach them to be honest with you, that way you'll know where they are as I would imagine his parents just thought he was hanging out with mates. A young lad has lost his life and his parents have lost their son.Annon43

What a tragic waste of a young life, the boy was 15 years old, yes he attended an ileagle rave, however it's believed that he shared a spiked drink!!! And Just because he attended an ileagle rave it doesn't mean he wasn't a wonderful person, or he took ileagle drugs he was just a kid who shared a beer!!!! If the police knew about this at the beginning of June there should have been preventative action taken to avoid this rave in the first place. The promoters and organisers won't give a monkeys that somebody died, unless they get caught, at £15 a ticket no overheads and say 2000 young people attending they made 30k for a nights work..... If that's what you call it, easy money for them. Talk to your kids, be honest with them and teach them to be honest with you, that way you'll know where they are as I would imagine his parents just thought he was hanging out with mates. A young lad has lost his life and his parents have lost their son.

Score: 10

Mr Strings
6:46pm Tue 17 Jun 14

alroutemaster wrote…

Rest in peace, but let's not have the usual rubbish in cases like this, where everybody says what a great and wonderful person the victim was. He was attending an illegal rave. His choice. He took illegal drugs. His choice. True, somebody organised this (illegally) but he (and hundreds of others) chose to attend, and in this instance paid the ultimate price.

Going to an illegal rave does not make you a bad person. These are young people, some evidently teenagers, just wanting to go out and have fun.

1 in 3 adults have taken an illegal drug at some point in their life. So does that mean 33% of the population aren't worthy of the compassion of others...?

Yes, he took a gamble and paid the price. But really the government could protect people who are going to take drugs despite the risks, by legalisation and regulation.

[quote][p][bold]alroutemaster[/bold] wrote:
Rest in peace, but let's not have the usual rubbish in cases like this, where everybody says what a great and wonderful person the victim was. He was attending an illegal rave. His choice. He took illegal drugs. His choice. True, somebody organised this (illegally) but he (and hundreds of others) chose to attend, and in this instance paid the ultimate price.[/p][/quote]Going to an illegal rave does not make you a bad person. These are young people, some evidently teenagers, just wanting to go out and have fun.
1 in 3 adults have taken an illegal drug at some point in their life. So does that mean 33% of the population aren't worthy of the compassion of others...?
Yes, he took a gamble and paid the price. But really the government could protect people who are going to take drugs despite the risks, by legalisation and regulation.Mr Strings

alroutemaster wrote…

Rest in peace, but let's not have the usual rubbish in cases like this, where everybody says what a great and wonderful person the victim was. He was attending an illegal rave. His choice. He took illegal drugs. His choice. True, somebody organised this (illegally) but he (and hundreds of others) chose to attend, and in this instance paid the ultimate price.

Going to an illegal rave does not make you a bad person. These are young people, some evidently teenagers, just wanting to go out and have fun.

1 in 3 adults have taken an illegal drug at some point in their life. So does that mean 33% of the population aren't worthy of the compassion of others...?

Yes, he took a gamble and paid the price. But really the government could protect people who are going to take drugs despite the risks, by legalisation and regulation.

Score: 8

alroutemaster
6:53pm Tue 17 Jun 14

Dani78: The fcuking knobs are those that attend these raves. And I personally have no link to this, or any other, event, other than, like thousands of others, I was unable to use Tramlink through East Croydon. This caused a missed hospital appointment for a relative. I would however agree with you as to what the parents of these "children" were doing, but at 15 they are virtual adults and if they want to break the law I'm afraid they pay the price.

Dani78: The fcuking knobs are those that attend these raves. And I personally have no link to this, or any other, event, other than, like thousands of others, I was unable to use Tramlink through East Croydon. This caused a missed hospital appointment for a relative. I would however agree with you as to what the parents of these "children" were doing, but at 15 they are virtual adults and if they want to break the law I'm afraid they pay the price.alroutemaster

Dani78: The fcuking knobs are those that attend these raves. And I personally have no link to this, or any other, event, other than, like thousands of others, I was unable to use Tramlink through East Croydon. This caused a missed hospital appointment for a relative. I would however agree with you as to what the parents of these "children" were doing, but at 15 they are virtual adults and if they want to break the law I'm afraid they pay the price.

Score: 0

brian1121
8:03pm Tue 17 Jun 14

Serves him right. Stupid fool!

Serves him right. Stupid fool!brian1121

Serves him right. Stupid fool!

Score: -10

__sgn123
9:27pm Tue 17 Jun 14

This boy was a friend of mine and i do not appreciate your rude comments, if you do not have anything nice to say then don't say it, have enough respect for his family rather than to call him "stupid" or blame him for his own death...

This boy was a friend of mine and i do not appreciate your rude comments, if you do not have anything nice to say then don't say it, have enough respect for his family rather than to call him "stupid" or blame him for his own death...__sgn123

This boy was a friend of mine and i do not appreciate your rude comments, if you do not have anything nice to say then don't say it, have enough respect for his family rather than to call him "stupid" or blame him for his own death...

Score: 8

alroutemaster
10:35pm Tue 17 Jun 14

__sgn123 wrote…

This boy was a friend of mine and i do not appreciate your rude comments, if you do not have anything nice to say then don't say it, have enough respect for his family rather than to call him "stupid" or blame him for his own death...

The person you addressed your comment to may have been insentsitive with his comment, but at the end of the day he is right. Your friend attended an illegal event and took an illegal drug. Both of these things were choices he made of his own free will, so who else can you blame but himself I'm afraid.

[quote][p][bold]__sgn123[/bold] wrote:
This boy was a friend of mine and i do not appreciate your rude comments, if you do not have anything nice to say then don't say it, have enough respect for his family rather than to call him "stupid" or blame him for his own death...[/p][/quote]The person you addressed your comment to may have been insentsitive with his comment, but at the end of the day he is right. Your friend attended an illegal event and took an illegal drug. Both of these things were choices he made of his own free will, so who else can you blame but himself I'm afraid.alroutemaster

__sgn123 wrote…

This boy was a friend of mine and i do not appreciate your rude comments, if you do not have anything nice to say then don't say it, have enough respect for his family rather than to call him "stupid" or blame him for his own death...

The person you addressed your comment to may have been insentsitive with his comment, but at the end of the day he is right. Your friend attended an illegal event and took an illegal drug. Both of these things were choices he made of his own free will, so who else can you blame but himself I'm afraid.

Score: 0

Noddyblanket
10:00am Wed 18 Jun 14

Are these people for real? Did you never do anything in your teenage years? Did you live the life of a perfectt teenage angel? How terribly sad if you did. 15 years old is very much a child, not nearly an adult at all. We make wrong choices at that age, it's part of growing up and learning to make the right choices. It's a difficult age to keep your children in all the time. I doubt very much his parents knew where he was. There is no evidence that he took drugs on purpose. Whatever happened, a young person has lost their life.. A family has been ripped apart.. You should know that it is likely they will read this, so find some place in your cold heart to maybe keep your opinion to yourself and not kick someone when they have never been more down in their life. Gees, what is wrong with some people!

Are these people for real? Did you never do anything in your teenage years? Did you live the life of a perfectt teenage angel? How terribly sad if you did. 15 years old is very much a child, not nearly an adult at all. We make wrong choices at that age, it's part of growing up and learning to make the right choices. It's a difficult age to keep your children in all the time. I doubt very much his parents knew where he was. There is no evidence that he took drugs on purpose. Whatever happened, a young person has lost their life.. A family has been ripped apart.. You should know that it is likely they will read this, so find some place in your cold heart to maybe keep your opinion to yourself and not kick someone when they have never been more down in their life. Gees, what is wrong with some people!Noddyblanket

Are these people for real? Did you never do anything in your teenage years? Did you live the life of a perfectt teenage angel? How terribly sad if you did. 15 years old is very much a child, not nearly an adult at all. We make wrong choices at that age, it's part of growing up and learning to make the right choices. It's a difficult age to keep your children in all the time. I doubt very much his parents knew where he was. There is no evidence that he took drugs on purpose. Whatever happened, a young person has lost their life.. A family has been ripped apart.. You should know that it is likely they will read this, so find some place in your cold heart to maybe keep your opinion to yourself and not kick someone when they have never been more down in their life. Gees, what is wrong with some people!

Score: 16

Mr Strings
10:31am Wed 18 Jun 14

Noddyblanket wrote…

Are these people for real? Did you never do anything in your teenage years? Did you live the life of a perfectt teenage angel? How terribly sad if you did. 15 years old is very much a child, not nearly an adult at all. We make wrong choices at that age, it's part of growing up and learning to make the right choices. It's a difficult age to keep your children in all the time. I doubt very much his parents knew where he was. There is no evidence that he took drugs on purpose. Whatever happened, a young person has lost their life.. A family has been ripped apart.. You should know that it is likely they will read this, so find some place in your cold heart to maybe keep your opinion to yourself and not kick someone when they have never been more down in their life. Gees, what is wrong with some people!

Exactly. The lack of compassion is very sad. The same people complain that society has gone down hill... Go figure.

[quote][p][bold]Noddyblanket[/bold] wrote:
Are these people for real? Did you never do anything in your teenage years? Did you live the life of a perfectt teenage angel? How terribly sad if you did. 15 years old is very much a child, not nearly an adult at all. We make wrong choices at that age, it's part of growing up and learning to make the right choices. It's a difficult age to keep your children in all the time. I doubt very much his parents knew where he was. There is no evidence that he took drugs on purpose. Whatever happened, a young person has lost their life.. A family has been ripped apart.. You should know that it is likely they will read this, so find some place in your cold heart to maybe keep your opinion to yourself and not kick someone when they have never been more down in their life. Gees, what is wrong with some people![/p][/quote]Exactly. The lack of compassion is very sad. The same people complain that society has gone down hill... Go figure.Mr Strings

Noddyblanket wrote…

Are these people for real? Did you never do anything in your teenage years? Did you live the life of a perfectt teenage angel? How terribly sad if you did. 15 years old is very much a child, not nearly an adult at all. We make wrong choices at that age, it's part of growing up and learning to make the right choices. It's a difficult age to keep your children in all the time. I doubt very much his parents knew where he was. There is no evidence that he took drugs on purpose. Whatever happened, a young person has lost their life.. A family has been ripped apart.. You should know that it is likely they will read this, so find some place in your cold heart to maybe keep your opinion to yourself and not kick someone when they have never been more down in their life. Gees, what is wrong with some people!

Exactly. The lack of compassion is very sad. The same people complain that society has gone down hill... Go figure.

Score: 13

Dorothy.C
11:56am Wed 18 Jun 14

It was a horrible accident. No-one deserves to die like that, but you can hardly blame the organisers for someone extremely underage either willingly taking the drugs that killed him, or for someone who spiked a drink. The only person who knows exactly what happened sadly is going to be Rio Andrew.

Children like this need better drug education, I know its too little too late, but maybe if he did willingly try it out of curiosity he could have been more clued up on what could happen to him and not risked it.

It was a horrible accident. No-one deserves to die like that, but you can hardly blame the organisers for someone extremely underage either willingly taking the drugs that killed him, or for someone who spiked a drink. The only person who knows exactly what happened sadly is going to be Rio Andrew.
Children like this need better drug education, I know its too little too late, but maybe if he did willingly try it out of curiosity he could have been more clued up on what could happen to him and not risked it.Dorothy.C

It was a horrible accident. No-one deserves to die like that, but you can hardly blame the organisers for someone extremely underage either willingly taking the drugs that killed him, or for someone who spiked a drink. The only person who knows exactly what happened sadly is going to be Rio Andrew.

Children like this need better drug education, I know its too little too late, but maybe if he did willingly try it out of curiosity he could have been more clued up on what could happen to him and not risked it.

Score: 5

alroutemaster
12:47pm Wed 18 Jun 14

Dorothy.C wrote…

It was a horrible accident. No-one deserves to die like that, but you can hardly blame the organisers for someone extremely underage either willingly taking the drugs that killed him, or for someone who spiked a drink. The only person who knows exactly what happened sadly is going to be Rio Andrew.

Children like this need better drug education, I know its too little too late, but maybe if he did willingly try it out of curiosity he could have been more clued up on what could happen to him and not risked it.

Well put, but his "friends" who stood by and let him do this will never accept that he, or they, was to blame in any way. The culture of today is it is always the fault of someone else.

[quote][p][bold]Dorothy.C[/bold] wrote:
It was a horrible accident. No-one deserves to die like that, but you can hardly blame the organisers for someone extremely underage either willingly taking the drugs that killed him, or for someone who spiked a drink. The only person who knows exactly what happened sadly is going to be Rio Andrew.
Children like this need better drug education, I know its too little too late, but maybe if he did willingly try it out of curiosity he could have been more clued up on what could happen to him and not risked it.[/p][/quote]Well put, but his "friends" who stood by and let him do this will never accept that he, or they, was to blame in any way. The culture of today is it is always the fault of someone else.alroutemaster

Dorothy.C wrote…

It was a horrible accident. No-one deserves to die like that, but you can hardly blame the organisers for someone extremely underage either willingly taking the drugs that killed him, or for someone who spiked a drink. The only person who knows exactly what happened sadly is going to be Rio Andrew.

Children like this need better drug education, I know its too little too late, but maybe if he did willingly try it out of curiosity he could have been more clued up on what could happen to him and not risked it.

Well put, but his "friends" who stood by and let him do this will never accept that he, or they, was to blame in any way. The culture of today is it is always the fault of someone else.

Score: 2

ANNE GILES
1:44pm Wed 18 Jun 14

I would not have allowed a teenager of that age to be out after midnight.

I would not have allowed a teenager of that age to be out after midnight.ANNE GILES

I would not have allowed a teenager of that age to be out after midnight.

Score: 3

Dani78
2:36pm Wed 18 Jun 14

There are some real heartless **** in this world... 15 is a child ffs and no-one knows he took this knowing what was in it...

There are some real heartless **** in this world... 15 is a child ffs and no-one knows he took this knowing what was in it...Dani78

There are some real heartless **** in this world... 15 is a child ffs and no-one knows he took this knowing what was in it...

Score: 5

alroutemaster
5:43pm Wed 18 Jun 14

Dani78 wrote…

There are some real heartless **** in this world... 15 is a child ffs and no-one knows he took this knowing what was in it...

15 is NOT a child, and if he went to this illegal rave he knew what's what....

[quote][p][bold]Dani78[/bold] wrote:
There are some real heartless **** in this world... 15 is a child ffs and no-one knows he took this knowing what was in it...[/p][/quote]15 is NOT a child, and if he went to this illegal rave he knew what's what....alroutemaster

Dani78 wrote…

There are some real heartless **** in this world... 15 is a child ffs and no-one knows he took this knowing what was in it...

15 is NOT a child, and if he went to this illegal rave he knew what's what....

Score: -1

Noddyblanket
6:02pm Wed 18 Jun 14

alroutemaster wrote…

Dani78 wrote…

There are some real heartless **** in this world... 15 is a child ffs and no-one knows he took this knowing what was in it...

15 is NOT a child, and if he went to this illegal rave he knew what's what....

It is! You become an adult at 18. No getting away from it. Call him an adolescent if it makes your feel better but you become an adult at 18.

[quote][p][bold]alroutemaster[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Dani78[/bold] wrote:
There are some real heartless **** in this world... 15 is a child ffs and no-one knows he took this knowing what was in it...[/p][/quote]15 is NOT a child, and if he went to this illegal rave he knew what's what....[/p][/quote]It is! You become an adult at 18. No getting away from it. Call him an adolescent if it makes your feel better but you become an adult at 18.Noddyblanket

alroutemaster wrote…

Dani78 wrote…

There are some real heartless **** in this world... 15 is a child ffs and no-one knows he took this knowing what was in it...

15 is NOT a child, and if he went to this illegal rave he knew what's what....

It is! You become an adult at 18. No getting away from it. Call him an adolescent if it makes your feel better but you become an adult at 18.

Score: 5

alroutemaster
6:56pm Wed 18 Jun 14

Noddyblanket wrote…

alroutemaster wrote…

Dani78 wrote…

There are some real heartless **** in this world... 15 is a child ffs and no-one knows he took this knowing what was in it...

15 is NOT a child, and if he went to this illegal rave he knew what's what....

It is! You become an adult at 18. No getting away from it. Call him an adolescent if it makes your feel better but you become an adult at 18.

OK so he was a stupid little kid then.....

[quote][p][bold]Noddyblanket[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]alroutemaster[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Dani78[/bold] wrote:
There are some real heartless **** in this world... 15 is a child ffs and no-one knows he took this knowing what was in it...[/p][/quote]15 is NOT a child, and if he went to this illegal rave he knew what's what....[/p][/quote]It is! You become an adult at 18. No getting away from it. Call him an adolescent if it makes your feel better but you become an adult at 18.[/p][/quote]OK so he was a stupid little kid then.....alroutemaster

Noddyblanket wrote…

alroutemaster wrote…

Dani78 wrote…

There are some real heartless **** in this world... 15 is a child ffs and no-one knows he took this knowing what was in it...

15 is NOT a child, and if he went to this illegal rave he knew what's what....

It is! You become an adult at 18. No getting away from it. Call him an adolescent if it makes your feel better but you become an adult at 18.

OK so he was a stupid little kid then.....

Score: -2

Annon43
7:46pm Wed 18 Jun 14

At 15 years old you have a lot of hormones racing round your body, normal 15 year olds THINK differently to adults, I wouldn't call it stupid, more naive!! It's all part of learning and growing up, you think you know everything at that age, most normal kids go through this stage, test parents boundaries and most get to learn from their mistakes. alroutmaster...... Perhaps you didn't do anything like this, but please show some respect for his family and friends who's whole lives have been ripped apart and stop calling him stupid!!!!!!

At 15 years old you have a lot of hormones racing round your body, normal 15 year olds THINK differently to adults, I wouldn't call it stupid, more naive!! It's all part of learning and growing up, you think you know everything at that age, most normal kids go through this stage, test parents boundaries and most get to learn from their mistakes. alroutmaster...... Perhaps you didn't do anything like this, but please show some respect for his family and friends who's whole lives have been ripped apart and stop calling him stupid!!!!!!Annon43

At 15 years old you have a lot of hormones racing round your body, normal 15 year olds THINK differently to adults, I wouldn't call it stupid, more naive!! It's all part of learning and growing up, you think you know everything at that age, most normal kids go through this stage, test parents boundaries and most get to learn from their mistakes. alroutmaster...... Perhaps you didn't do anything like this, but please show some respect for his family and friends who's whole lives have been ripped apart and stop calling him stupid!!!!!!

Score: 4

alroutemaster
9:38pm Wed 18 Jun 14

Annon43 wrote…

At 15 years old you have a lot of hormones racing round your body, normal 15 year olds THINK differently to adults, I wouldn't call it stupid, more naive!! It's all part of learning and growing up, you think you know everything at that age, most normal kids go through this stage, test parents boundaries and most get to learn from their mistakes. alroutmaster...... Perhaps you didn't do anything like this, but please show some respect for his family and friends who's whole lives have been ripped apart and stop calling him stupid!!!!!!

Yes, I did do some things back in the Sixties like drugs at legal concerts, not illegal, and like everybody I drank under age. But also when I was 15 I was working, in an apprenticeship. The point I'm making is that everybody knows what goes on and what is sold at these raves, that's why they are illegal, they do not check people at the door like a licensed club, they have no facilities to treat people who become Ill or overdose. They are simply about making money from gullible people and causing problems for the police and ordinary citizens, therefore you have to be pretty silly to attend one and then blame everybody else for your misfortune, whether you knowingly took the drugs with your alcohol or not......

[quote][p][bold]Annon43[/bold] wrote:
At 15 years old you have a lot of hormones racing round your body, normal 15 year olds THINK differently to adults, I wouldn't call it stupid, more naive!! It's all part of learning and growing up, you think you know everything at that age, most normal kids go through this stage, test parents boundaries and most get to learn from their mistakes. alroutmaster...... Perhaps you didn't do anything like this, but please show some respect for his family and friends who's whole lives have been ripped apart and stop calling him stupid!!!!!![/p][/quote]Yes, I did do some things back in the Sixties like drugs at legal concerts, not illegal, and like everybody I drank under age. But also when I was 15 I was working, in an apprenticeship. The point I'm making is that everybody knows what goes on and what is sold at these raves, that's why they are illegal, they do not check people at the door like a licensed club, they have no facilities to treat people who become Ill or overdose. They are simply about making money from gullible people and causing problems for the police and ordinary citizens, therefore you have to be pretty silly to attend one and then blame everybody else for your misfortune, whether you knowingly took the drugs with your alcohol or not......alroutemaster

Annon43 wrote…

At 15 years old you have a lot of hormones racing round your body, normal 15 year olds THINK differently to adults, I wouldn't call it stupid, more naive!! It's all part of learning and growing up, you think you know everything at that age, most normal kids go through this stage, test parents boundaries and most get to learn from their mistakes. alroutmaster...... Perhaps you didn't do anything like this, but please show some respect for his family and friends who's whole lives have been ripped apart and stop calling him stupid!!!!!!

Yes, I did do some things back in the Sixties like drugs at legal concerts, not illegal, and like everybody I drank under age. But also when I was 15 I was working, in an apprenticeship. The point I'm making is that everybody knows what goes on and what is sold at these raves, that's why they are illegal, they do not check people at the door like a licensed club, they have no facilities to treat people who become Ill or overdose. They are simply about making money from gullible people and causing problems for the police and ordinary citizens, therefore you have to be pretty silly to attend one and then blame everybody else for your misfortune, whether you knowingly took the drugs with your alcohol or not......

Score: 0

Annon43
10:03pm Wed 18 Jun 14

I fully understand what you are saying, however this young boy you have called stupid isn't blaming anyone else for his misadventure, stupidity, naivety or whatever you want to call it, because he's dead and it's a terrible thing that has happened. I'm sure we all experimented when we were young,........ If your lucky you get to live another day and to learn from it, nobody ever thinks it will happen to them, maybe he didn't know his drink was spiked, maybe he didn't have that choice, drinks get spiked in legal licenced clubs with security, maybe we were the lucky ones, however he wasn't and it would be thoughtful to think of his family :-)

I fully understand what you are saying, however this young boy you have called stupid isn't blaming anyone else for his misadventure, stupidity, naivety or whatever you want to call it, because he's dead and it's a terrible thing that has happened. I'm sure we all experimented when we were young,........ If your lucky you get to live another day and to learn from it, nobody ever thinks it will happen to them, maybe he didn't know his drink was spiked, maybe he didn't have that choice, drinks get spiked in legal licenced clubs with security, maybe we were the lucky ones, however he wasn't and it would be thoughtful to think of his family :-)Annon43

I fully understand what you are saying, however this young boy you have called stupid isn't blaming anyone else for his misadventure, stupidity, naivety or whatever you want to call it, because he's dead and it's a terrible thing that has happened. I'm sure we all experimented when we were young,........ If your lucky you get to live another day and to learn from it, nobody ever thinks it will happen to them, maybe he didn't know his drink was spiked, maybe he didn't have that choice, drinks get spiked in legal licenced clubs with security, maybe we were the lucky ones, however he wasn't and it would be thoughtful to think of his family :-)

Score: 3

IHATERAVES
3:33am Thu 19 Jun 14

You are all wrong/right in your own ways. But you are also all very out of the proverbial loop.The key word is responsibility. The fact it was so out in open public outside a major south london station says it all. This generation of rave was a ticking time bomb that just erupted. It is the responsibility of the government to ensure such things do not happen. It is the responsibility of the police to make sure such things do not happen. It is the responsibility of the promoter to make sure that if it happens it happens safely. It is the responsibility of the parents to be sure their offspring are educated well enough to understand the risks associated with partying (drugs/alcohol). It is the responsibility of the public to demand specific legislation, decriminalisation and or regulation after strict controlled testing of all or some if any substances failing that provide the unhindered facilitation of free drug testing equipment to all potential "using" teenagers to test anything they are likely to use. It is the responsibility of our peers to make sure we look out for eachother. It is the responsibility of yourself to be responsible for yourself. This child was led like a lamb to the slaughter unbeknown to all. A sad and unfortunate example of how this society is not taking care of its youth by not stringently enforcing the closure of such teenage social media frenzy parties.

There should be a nationwide curfew for u16/s or anyone who looks under 18 without ID unless accompanied by a parent or a person over 25 with identification after midnight. The safety of our children depends on it.

You are all wrong/right in your own ways. But you are also all very out of the proverbial loop.The key word is responsibility. The fact it was so out in open public outside a major south london station says it all. This generation of rave was a ticking time bomb that just erupted. It is the responsibility of the government to ensure such things do not happen. It is the responsibility of the police to make sure such things do not happen. It is the responsibility of the promoter to make sure that if it happens it happens safely. It is the responsibility of the parents to be sure their offspring are educated well enough to understand the risks associated with partying (drugs/alcohol). It is the responsibility of the public to demand specific legislation, decriminalisation and or regulation after strict controlled testing of all or some if any substances failing that provide the unhindered facilitation of free drug testing equipment to all potential "using" teenagers to test anything they are likely to use. It is the responsibility of our peers to make sure we look out for eachother. It is the responsibility of yourself to be responsible for yourself. This child was led like a lamb to the slaughter unbeknown to all. A sad and unfortunate example of how this society is not taking care of its youth by not stringently enforcing the closure of such teenage social media frenzy parties.
There should be a nationwide curfew for u16/s or anyone who looks under 18 without ID unless accompanied by a parent or a person over 25 with identification after midnight. The safety of our children depends on it.IHATERAVES

You are all wrong/right in your own ways. But you are also all very out of the proverbial loop.The key word is responsibility. The fact it was so out in open public outside a major south london station says it all. This generation of rave was a ticking time bomb that just erupted. It is the responsibility of the government to ensure such things do not happen. It is the responsibility of the police to make sure such things do not happen. It is the responsibility of the promoter to make sure that if it happens it happens safely. It is the responsibility of the parents to be sure their offspring are educated well enough to understand the risks associated with partying (drugs/alcohol). It is the responsibility of the public to demand specific legislation, decriminalisation and or regulation after strict controlled testing of all or some if any substances failing that provide the unhindered facilitation of free drug testing equipment to all potential "using" teenagers to test anything they are likely to use. It is the responsibility of our peers to make sure we look out for eachother. It is the responsibility of yourself to be responsible for yourself. This child was led like a lamb to the slaughter unbeknown to all. A sad and unfortunate example of how this society is not taking care of its youth by not stringently enforcing the closure of such teenage social media frenzy parties.

There should be a nationwide curfew for u16/s or anyone who looks under 18 without ID unless accompanied by a parent or a person over 25 with identification after midnight. The safety of our children depends on it.

Score: 1

alroutemaster
1:58pm Thu 19 Jun 14

And so, as I expected from the start, it begins. The relatives and friends of this boy who tragically died are starting to blame the police by saying they should have stopped it. It's always somebody elses fault, never the victim, never the parents, never his mates. Just another symptom of today's blame culture. Where there's blame there might be a claim........

And so, as I expected from the start, it begins. The relatives and friends of this boy who tragically died are starting to blame the police by saying they should have stopped it. It's always somebody elses fault, never the victim, never the parents, never his mates. Just another symptom of today's blame culture. Where there's blame there might be a claim........alroutemaster

And so, as I expected from the start, it begins. The relatives and friends of this boy who tragically died are starting to blame the police by saying they should have stopped it. It's always somebody elses fault, never the victim, never the parents, never his mates. Just another symptom of today's blame culture. Where there's blame there might be a claim........

Score: -1

Louie99
5:52pm Thu 19 Jun 14

alroutemaster wrote…

Rest in peace, but let's not have the usual rubbish in cases like this, where everybody says what a great and wonderful person the victim was. He was attending an illegal rave. His choice. He took illegal drugs. His choice. True, somebody organised this (illegally) but he (and hundreds of others) chose to attend, and in this instance paid the ultimate price.

What a disgusting thing for a human being to say about a young boy!!! I'm honestly disgusted by some of the things I've read here, how dare any of you speak about a young man you didn't even know like this, he's lost his life and his family have lost someone they loved and cared about dearly! He was a kind, caring, thoughtful, intelligent and amazingly talented young man and that's only some of the things I knew about him, the papers will tell you what they want you to hear. Please don't comment on things you clearly know nothing about unless it's with respect!!

[quote][p][bold]alroutemaster[/bold] wrote:
Rest in peace, but let's not have the usual rubbish in cases like this, where everybody says what a great and wonderful person the victim was. He was attending an illegal rave. His choice. He took illegal drugs. His choice. True, somebody organised this (illegally) but he (and hundreds of others) chose to attend, and in this instance paid the ultimate price.[/p][/quote]What a disgusting thing for a human being to say about a young boy!!! I'm honestly disgusted by some of the things I've read here, how dare any of you speak about a young man you didn't even know like this, he's lost his life and his family have lost someone they loved and cared about dearly! He was a kind, caring, thoughtful, intelligent and amazingly talented young man and that's only some of the things I knew about him, the papers will tell you what they want you to hear. Please don't comment on things you clearly know nothing about unless it's with respect!!Louie99

alroutemaster wrote…

Rest in peace, but let's not have the usual rubbish in cases like this, where everybody says what a great and wonderful person the victim was. He was attending an illegal rave. His choice. He took illegal drugs. His choice. True, somebody organised this (illegally) but he (and hundreds of others) chose to attend, and in this instance paid the ultimate price.

What a disgusting thing for a human being to say about a young boy!!! I'm honestly disgusted by some of the things I've read here, how dare any of you speak about a young man you didn't even know like this, he's lost his life and his family have lost someone they loved and cared about dearly! He was a kind, caring, thoughtful, intelligent and amazingly talented young man and that's only some of the things I knew about him, the papers will tell you what they want you to hear. Please don't comment on things you clearly know nothing about unless it's with respect!!

Score: 4

Noddyblanket
10:03pm Thu 19 Jun 14

alroutemaster wrote…

And so, as I expected from the start, it begins. The relatives and friends of this boy who tragically died are starting to blame the police by saying they should have stopped it. It's always somebody elses fault, never the victim, never the parents, never his mates. Just another symptom of today's blame culture. Where there's blame there might be a claim........

Try and think of it from their point of view. The police were aware that the rave was planned for some time. At this point, his family will just be wishing that in any way possible that rave hadn't happened and that he hadn't been there. That if it was known it was happening it should have been stopped. The ins and outs of why it wasn't are another matter that I know nothing about. I know your opinion differs to mine, but also take into consideration that not everything we read is true. All we do know is that a 15 year old with his whole future ahead of him is gone, his family will never be the same and be respectful enough to leave it at that now.

[quote][p][bold]alroutemaster[/bold] wrote:
And so, as I expected from the start, it begins. The relatives and friends of this boy who tragically died are starting to blame the police by saying they should have stopped it. It's always somebody elses fault, never the victim, never the parents, never his mates. Just another symptom of today's blame culture. Where there's blame there might be a claim........[/p][/quote]Try and think of it from their point of view. The police were aware that the rave was planned for some time. At this point, his family will just be wishing that in any way possible that rave hadn't happened and that he hadn't been there. That if it was known it was happening it should have been stopped. The ins and outs of why it wasn't are another matter that I know nothing about. I know your opinion differs to mine, but also take into consideration that not everything we read is true. All we do know is that a 15 year old with his whole future ahead of him is gone, his family will never be the same and be respectful enough to leave it at that now.Noddyblanket

alroutemaster wrote…

And so, as I expected from the start, it begins. The relatives and friends of this boy who tragically died are starting to blame the police by saying they should have stopped it. It's always somebody elses fault, never the victim, never the parents, never his mates. Just another symptom of today's blame culture. Where there's blame there might be a claim........

Try and think of it from their point of view. The police were aware that the rave was planned for some time. At this point, his family will just be wishing that in any way possible that rave hadn't happened and that he hadn't been there. That if it was known it was happening it should have been stopped. The ins and outs of why it wasn't are another matter that I know nothing about. I know your opinion differs to mine, but also take into consideration that not everything we read is true. All we do know is that a 15 year old with his whole future ahead of him is gone, his family will never be the same and be respectful enough to leave it at that now.

Score: 6

alroutemaster
8:02am Fri 20 Jun 14

Noddyblanket: I'm happy to leave this kid to rest in peace, hopefully so will others now. What I don't want to see is another attempt to smear the police as institutionally racist like the St. Ephen Lawrence saga.

Noddyblanket: I'm happy to leave this kid to rest in peace, hopefully so will others now. What I don't want to see is another attempt to smear the police as institutionally racist like the St. Ephen Lawrence saga.alroutemaster

Noddyblanket: I'm happy to leave this kid to rest in peace, hopefully so will others now. What I don't want to see is another attempt to smear the police as institutionally racist like the St. Ephen Lawrence saga.

Score: -4

Louie99
4:07pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Teenagers are going to do these things, we all did stupid things when younger. No one is saying anything about racism and the police in this instance, what is being said is why was it allowed to go ahead and more so why was it allowed to go ahead without proper policing or safety measures put in place when it was known about?! As I said, teenagers WILL push boundaries, everyone knows this including the police so in my view the steps should be taken to ensure these events are at least safe for people to attend! They will happen and people will attend, that isn't something we can stop, but we can stop another person losing their life un-necessarily!!

Teenagers are going to do these things, we all did stupid things when younger. No one is saying anything about racism and the police in this instance, what is being said is why was it allowed to go ahead and more so why was it allowed to go ahead without proper policing or safety measures put in place when it was known about?! As I said, teenagers WILL push boundaries, everyone knows this including the police so in my view the steps should be taken to ensure these events are at least safe for people to attend! They will happen and people will attend, that isn't something we can stop, but we can stop another person losing their life un-necessarily!!Louie99

Teenagers are going to do these things, we all did stupid things when younger. No one is saying anything about racism and the police in this instance, what is being said is why was it allowed to go ahead and more so why was it allowed to go ahead without proper policing or safety measures put in place when it was known about?! As I said, teenagers WILL push boundaries, everyone knows this including the police so in my view the steps should be taken to ensure these events are at least safe for people to attend! They will happen and people will attend, that isn't something we can stop, but we can stop another person losing their life un-necessarily!!

Score: 3

Annon43
12:32am Sat 21 Jun 14

alroutmaster....... Nobody, apart from you has mentioned racism, and there is no similarities apart from both these youngsters have lost their lives. It has now been reported that the post office had already tried to evict the squatters, had the police shared the information they received it could have been pushed through the courts and this rave probably wouldn't have happened. Scotland Yard is investigating why Croydon police didn't act on information received that this rave was taking place........ Doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out they failed, and should and could have stopped it before, so his family, you and everyone would have every right to ask questions as to why they didn't. As for your comments that where there is blame there might be a claim, REALLY!!!!!

alroutmaster....... Nobody, apart from you has mentioned racism, and there is no similarities apart from both these youngsters have lost their lives. It has now been reported that the post office had already tried to evict the squatters, had the police shared the information they received it could have been pushed through the courts and this rave probably wouldn't have happened. Scotland Yard is investigating why Croydon police didn't act on information received that this rave was taking place........ Doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out they failed, and should and could have stopped it before, so his family, you and everyone would have every right to ask questions as to why they didn't. As for your comments that where there is blame there might be a claim, REALLY!!!!!Annon43

alroutmaster....... Nobody, apart from you has mentioned racism, and there is no similarities apart from both these youngsters have lost their lives. It has now been reported that the post office had already tried to evict the squatters, had the police shared the information they received it could have been pushed through the courts and this rave probably wouldn't have happened. Scotland Yard is investigating why Croydon police didn't act on information received that this rave was taking place........ Doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out they failed, and should and could have stopped it before, so his family, you and everyone would have every right to ask questions as to why they didn't. As for your comments that where there is blame there might be a claim, REALLY!!!!!

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