But it means what it has always meant, same as “racist” or “anti-semite” which is “somebody I don’t like and want to dismiss as illegitimate and having no rights.”

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I like fast cars, fast women and southern-fried rock. I have an ongoing beef with George Orwell. I take my name from a character in Plato's "Republic" who was exasperated with the kind of turgid BS that passed for deep thought and political discourse in that time and place, just as I am today. The character, whose name means "fierce fighter" was based on a real person but nobody knows for sure what his actual political beliefs were. I take my pseudonym from a character in an Adam Sandler song who was a obnoxious jerk who pissed off everybody.

Golden Dawn describes itself as “social nationalist” and unless some else can prove otherwise, has the right to be believed at their word. Leftists base their rhetorical power on reserving the right for themselves to define others, which I don’t recognize.

Thras, I like Golden Dawn, and I like you, but there’s some plausible deniability going on here. Hit Golden Dawn’s symbol with an anvil once or twice and you’ve got a Swastika. I’ve looked at several of their videos on YouTube, and the top-rated commentors have holocaust denial/ Free Mason/Jew Conspiracy stuff on their pages, which is fine if that’s your cup of tea, but I think it’s fair to say that any movement plays coy until it senses the moment of its unchecked ascendancy is at hand, at which point it reveals its true face.

If Jacob Zuma (or for that matter Barack Obama) could kill whites with impunity, he would. Golden Dawn wouldn’t be wrong or evil to note the preponderance of Jews involved in the investment bank shenanigans which caused the first worldwide meltdown, and they have legitimate grievances besides that, but to perform a little gedankenexperiment and pose a question to you, if GD was unopposed, had a mandate and supreme power, what exactly do you think they would do?

The purpose of using of the term “nazi” is to end the debate. Nobody wants to kill Jews, nobody wants to kill anybody. Nobody wants to harm or humiliate anybody either, although leftists don’t get to define “harm” or “humiliate”. National Socialism was a political movement specific to Germany in the 1920’s and 30’s. It’s only incidental to nationalism now.

I can’t wait until we have a strong nationalist party in the United States. I don’t like socialism of any kind, even a kind that’s “whitey-themed” like German National Socialism,but fanatical nationalism is what is needed unless we want to become Zimbabwe-west in 20 years. I support the efforts of the Golden Dawn and I hope they get their country back under Greek control soon. God bless them.

You’re going to have socialism in any society, no matter what it calls itself. The question is whether it will be socialism for the masses, or for a tiny elite. An ostensibly “command” economy like the Soviet Union still had a hierarchy, whereby if you sold communism convincingly enough, you could get your dacha and high-end samovar. Conversely, America’s never ever had anything like a free market, and those who spout their Randian-Reagan gibberish, are usually the first to call for subsidies, price floors, and other State-level interventions if they think these measures will make them richer.

The hectares of land devoted to farming were increased by an order of ten under Hitler, and the autobahn was expanded at the rate of 1 kilometer per day. The ratio of people to cars in Deutschland was 50:1 prior to Hitler’s insistence on the mass production of VWs, at which point the gulf was narrowed to 10:1 (still not as good as the USA’s 5:1). Still, the guy never knew when to say when, and squandered whatever good will he accrued by liberating the Ukraine, due to his all-consuming anti-Slavic bias.

NS was just an especially striking form of ethnonationalism It was extreme because extremism was in the air in those days-see Spanish Civil War, Italian Fascism and the Soviets/ International Communism. NS aped the mass movement dramatics of Bolshevism but was aesthetically leagues ahead of the latter.

See the leftist documentary “To Die in Madrid” to see a film that catches the flavor of the period but gives only a peripheral role to the usual anti-Nazi propaganda.

Golden Dawn is neo-nazi by any measure. One of their MPs read the Protocols of the Elders of Zion in Parliament. They claim to be socialists, nationalists, and they believe all the ills of the world come from a worldwide Jewish conspiracy. A Golden Dawn MP has hit a female politician live on TV while he was debating her. The leader of the party makes journalists stand up when he enters the room for a press conference. He used to edit an openly neo-nazi magazine. I could go on.

So, no, they don’t want to invade Poland, because we’re in 2013 after all, and they just stop short of saying they’d like to kill the Jews if they had the opportunity — although I’m not even sure of that. It’s just that I’m not aware they ever said such a thing. Besides, there are few Jews left in Greece anyway…

But one of their leaders was caught on camera joking about how he would like to put immigrants into ovens and make them into lampshades.

So, unless you argue that nobody can be a Nazi since Hitler died, yes, they are definitely neo-nazis.