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I mentioneed before in one of the comments about him and his family dropping in . To continue I met this friend before he got married . Me and my brother were out fishing at ninety mile beach outside of Kaitaia . up north on the way back in when the out board packed up . Being a clever pair of brothers . we looked at each other . then tried to get that ~##*!1 motor to go while we gradually drifting back out to sea . After about 2 hours of trying . we gave up and said ok lets start rowing . My brother says after a few minutes . where did you put the oars . Typical towny ( I said what oars !!! ) I won't print what he called his loving younger brother Which went on for over 15 min ' without repeating it self . I then said the wrong thing to him - ( I sometimes seem to get out of tune sometimes . before I come right ) He got so angry ( my BIG BIG brother ) I thought he was going to carve me up with the fish knive . I said to him ." Calm down Bro ! ." when in his towering rage . he said .
" when we are well out to sea I am going to drown you before I go !!!!!" at that precise second I thought - their is no such thing as " look after the younger children " - Brotherly Love " and all that . _ and the othe thing I thought of . I was a gonner and ill be a drowned before the big fish got me " suddenly I realised . some damn big white shark could be having me for a snack shortly .
" He-e--e- lp I was in real trouble , and all because my smarty brother had forgotten the - what did he call ??? I think he said - OARS !!
Just as I was preparing to die at sea . with a boatful of big snapper for the freezer -plus - A big brother who was going to drown me !! . I suddenly thought -- Perhaps he does .He just doesn't want some BIG !! BIG !! fish eating me. Yeah = that will be it-- what a brother !! do anything for his younger brother to save him an ugly death. BOY oh Boy -- I certainly judged him wrong > The next thing out of the evening dusk . we could hear A - PUT- PUT-PUT-PUT noise coming towards us . It was my old friend and his mate in his dingy with his Little two sroke out board pulls up along side . annd says ." Hey Bro's . could just see from the shore - You seem to be going in the wrong direction. You know the rules out here Jack ( to my brother ) In before dark . Do yu need a toe or something ??? and they towed us into shore . When we got in he looks at - My Loving Big Brother- and says- " you got a great haul of scnapper their Jaco !! we only got a few cray'S. Do mine if we help our selfs . Sort like payment due - the maori way " He was no slouch this Maori fella .
He counted out half - and put them in his beaten up old pick -up with his boat tied on the roof and went on his way . I can still see that mental picture of him today Battered old pickup , rough old clothes . Pants half way down his B-- ! . tie up with abit of twine or something . Dam big fat arm hanging half out the drivers window . rolling a smoke . His last words were - i'll bring in the old radio for a tune up Jaco - no charge of course a bro !! and of he went . Suddenly my big wonderful older Brother grabbed me by the scruff of the neck - marched me to his battered old pick up - grabbed my arm and pushed my head down , I thought a bit to rough . and in an " ice cold voice !!! said- OARS ! OARS! OARS! If I ever take you fishing again and you forget them - I'll ---" I won't repeat it..
No need for that sort of language to a younger brother . and he added In his would be wild mental state " You not only lost half of the fish . you cost me some business as well . I now have to fix his _ Bl~#**!` dy Radio for free . I think I'll stop here. Thats how I met my old maori fiend of many years.

I hope this story may bring a bit of humour and assist things to heal quickly - need I say more . for my part _ I apologise to all

edmondsallan - Good morning - Today I hope to guide us through
" ARNOLD " ancestry - Finish off section ( 4 ) do part ( 3 ) and hopefully start on part ( 2 ) We need to be careful right at the start of this journal as two names are nearly identical- but not At the time of the research it did catch me out - simply because I was going to fast and not being through enough .and I had to back track and lost two weeks . WE will use the final/ last code number - We finished the last ancestral " Flow Chart " with

AENEAS YSGWWYDWYN son of ANCHISES ( PRINCE OF TROY ) --478134

This start- ASCANIUS ap ( son of ) AENEAS YSGWYDWDN AANEAS - 478135

We now are going to place a mental scene before you , so you can sort of get a feel - sensitivity of the time frame . As we step into this " Italian " scene , amid the huge marble building we have three ( 3 )drinking and feasting in lavish style . I will Identify them for you --- The older male is " King Latinus " ( king of all the tribes in Italy in his day ) A long side of him on his right shoulder is his rather beautiful daughter " IGNOGE "who not very long ago married
" Brutus " ( already mentioned in the Flow chart ) Lets take a look at this minature hercules - He was about 5' 4 " ( not very tall ) He had muscles all over him ( like Mr Universe ) was an outstanding warrior with any weapon and a great leader of men and he also came from a high ranking family ) *** Note >> " Brutus was eventually adopted by Julius Cesar - Roman Emporer - as his son < < ** )
" Brutus also eventually became " King of Britian " after he landed there in 1103 BC- He died in 1091 BC .
" Brutus & Ignoge " had three children -
Locrin ( who inherited Central Britian )
Camber ( who inherited Wales )
Albanactus ( who inherited Scotland )
The Romans arrived with over whelming forces in Britian in 43 AD under the command of " Claudius ) ### > Note -- All these -( -b- dates ) are estimated . The exact dates could not be proven 100 %. However they are within ( 5 % ) of correct dates which nearly all are . These dates have been given an average and acceptable dates by
Fellow Historian Genealogists , because of ( 4 or 5 ) records could not be found which had both --the name & date of birth - all had the names & fathers .
CAMBER - ap- < > ( SON of ) -BRUTUS
GORBONIUM ap CAMBER -b - 0102 AD - Wales
DYFNWAL ap GORBONIUM -b - 0132 AD - Wales
CYNGEN ap DYFNWAL -b - 0154 AD - Wales
( keep in mind the above name ( ^ )
ASER ap CYNGEN -b - 0179 AD - Wales
BLEIDDYD ap ASER -b - 0209 AD - Wales
HENWYN ap BLEIDDYD -b - 0231 AD - Wales
CYNYDD CYNETHA ap HENWYN -b - 0256 AD - Wales
RHIWALLON ap CYNYDD -b - 0286 AD - Wales

This is the end of Part ( 4 ) of all parts . I have deliberitately
not entered several pages of information ( explaining The areas . people , buildings & occupations . To keep this Flow chart under Control
Beginning of Part ( 3 )** >>> The next four names were born in England .For some reason they have part Welch / Roman names . I tried to find out why . Their isn't a positive answer. << ** )

They then moved again and travelled to " Abersychan, near the ' Black Mountains of Gwent 'Wales . All though not proven , the history of them around then , they seem to be invovled in a lot of fighting . They may have been going into Hiding . I cannot prove this notation .

I have compiled this list from the online records at Waikumete cemetery , Waitakere city NZ on the
" ARNOLDS " to assist any one who may be researching for information on their " Arnold Ancestors " From
- 1893 --to-- 2008 in NZ
M/F Surname Forenames Age Year Of Death

I hope to be webhoping into Europe again sometime next week . If I see
any journal with a query of an ancester in europe I could try to assist while I'm their . will need full name - & if possible d.o.b. etc Till we meet again -Regards -edmondsallan

scource:This information was originally published by:
ONTARIO HISTORICAL SOCIETY
Papers and Records
Volume 7, Published in Toronto in 1906
NOTE: The surnames are grouped alphabetically, but are NOT sorted.
BLACK LIST* A list of those Tories who took part with Great Britain In the Revolutionary War and were attainted of -:HIGH TREASON:- Commonly called the -:BLACK LIST:-
-The situation of those who, previous to the 11th February, 1777, adhered to the King of Great Britain.

2-The situation of those who, after that time, took the oath of allegiance,
or joined the British, and have been attainted of high treason.

3-Of those who, after the 11th February, 1777, took the oath of allegiance
to, or joined the British armies, and were NOT attainted of treason.

1.--With respect to those who, previous to Feb. 11th, 1777, made their
election, and adhered to the British, I conceive there can be no doubt,
they became British subjects, and could not afterwards become citizens of
Pennsylvania, but by complying with the forms, etc., prescribed it the Acts
for the naturalization of foreigners. This priciple seems to be settled
by the case of the Commonwealth against Chapman, determined in the Supreme
Court of Pennsylvania, in April, 1781.

2.--With regard to those who, after February, 1777, joined the British, and
were attainted of treason, where the attainder has not been reversed or a
pardon procured, they cannot be considered as restored to the rights of
citizenship. The treaty of peace did not operate as a reversal of the
attainder nor as a pardon, but only protects the persons from further
prosecution or punishment.

3.--As to the third class, who, after the 11th. February, 1777, took the
oath of allegiance to the King of Great Britain, or joined the British
armies, and were not attainted, they cannot be considered as expatriated;
though such acts might be deemed overt acts of treason, they must still be
considered as citizens, and entitled to the rights of citizenship. Till
attainder, their rights were not forfeited. The test laws have now no
operation on the question, unless to show the sense of the Legislature
in support of the above principle. By the eleventh section of the Act
of 5th December, 1778, it is enacted that those who had taken the oath
or affirmation of allegiance to the State, and afterwards to the King
of Great Britain, should be incapable of election, etc., until they
should take the oath therein prescribed by the Act of 13th March, 1789,
all the test laws were repealed, and the oath of allegiance, etc.,
rendered unnecessary. So that those who took an oath of allegiance
to the King of Great Britain, joined his banner, or committed any
other treasonable act, are not disfranchised unless attainted.

J. B. McKEAN.

AN ALPHABETICAL LIST Of All Persons Attainted of HIGH TREAS0N, IN PURSUANCE OF THE LAWS OF THE STATE OF PENNSYLVANIA.

Capt Robert Brown's family
Arrived: 1823
Country of origin:
Area in New Zealand: Codfish Island
Source: book; Behold the Moon by Peter Entwisle;

Captain Robert Brown started a settlement at Codfish Island when the sealing industry was waning. He arrived on the Glory in 1823. He married Te Wharerimu, and had 5 children; Tame/Thomas- "The first half-caste child born in southern New Zealand"; Kararaina/Caroline who married the whaler John Howell of Riverton; Tera/Sarah who married the Tasmanian born whaler Ned Palmer; Peti/Elizabeth who married Tame Parata later MP for Southern Maori; and Papu/ Robert who married Tini/ Jane Palmer, daughter of Ned Palmer's uncle Edward Palmer, in 1847. All these children were born in the 1820s and 30s.

Their is so much information on this website it could take months to research and I have added to my data base .
" old faithful " ( my other computer ) is blinking away at me. Said it will be great as she wasn't born then .Just as well she would have had a field day . Give her some thing like this is like giving a very hungry big dog a large meaty Bone -- " Cr-uuu-nn-ccch!!! "enough of that .
Here is a sample of whats on this website , Their is no copyright restrictions should you wish to use it and they ask for people to send in info - Ok - Hope this assists you . To the last part . " Were gunners " Paid etc " I am pretty sure they were . It was a sort of danger monies because Of the heavy loses in men .

Have been a Historical Ancestry Researcher world wide for over 45 years - Now retired and in my twilight years are enjoying assisting others freely to find their ancestry Besides being a IQMG- ' genealogist-- a grandfather -interested in most sports - And a direct descendant of one of the 18 original families recorded in NZ history -... more...