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i have the guts to ask - - sorry, I still believe the old adage...
If you can't say something nice, don't say anything. It's about being nice. Nothing more, nothing less. No one has said anything mean, I'm just saying why bother if it's not complementary?
You're right Crazy put themselves out there....but I'm sure they were confident that people would be kind. After all, all of us swingers are pretty much a "horse of a different color" and nonconformists....right? So why be unkind? This isn't the Jerry Springer show darlin...and hopefully we're here to make friends not nitpic at people.
Gosh...do we sometimes do that, ya think? LOL
kisses, Cin

Single females profile... "but not" - - At the risk of taking this even further off topic...I look at honesty the same way I look at sin (not that I believe in the concept of sin). Observing and talking to my neighbors I've discovered that the majority have little "pet" sins that they unilaterally seem to deem more important to avoid than other sins. Some of my neighbors would never consider shopping on Sunday but don't have a problem working in their yards in rather skimpy (for them) attire during the summer. Others seem adamant that church attendance is more than mandatory but have no problem hitting Chuck A Rama after church. Still others are devout temple goers yet have confided that they have a single glass of champagne on New Years Eve. Honesty, to me, appears very similar. I know many swingers who are less than honest about their weight and/or age yet really seem to get upset if someone is less than honest about their relationship status. Still others state they are disease and drug free and demand the same in others yet I've seen them with cold sores (yup that's HSV people) and regularly partake in pot or use illegally obtained erection enhancing drugs. Honesty, like many things in life, is apparently quite flexible and indeed seems to be a matter of perspective.
ps- Not bashing, insinuating or otherwise making any kind of judgment about the OP's or anyone else in this thread. Just some general observations.

Does Penis Enlargement Exist? - Help us cut through some penis BS - I've wondered since my double hernia surgery in March of 2004, my size got smaller. What use to be 8x5.5 prior to surgery, is now 6x5.5 two inches less in length. Do I have grounds for a law suit? I use to be the hit of the few house parties I went to, and among the few couples who enjoyed their time with me. But now I'm just the average joe looking to get laid.
Also in 2005 I suffered a groin injury lifting furniture while moving a friend. Between the hernia surgery and the groin injury I have also gotten to the point that an orgasm is delayed. I read a muscle magazine once, and it dicussed delayed (retarded) ejaculation, due to steroid use, and straining of the groin while body building.
Enzyte claims to be giving out free one month samples. Who would be a better testing ground than a group of over sexed swingers?
Iron

Party every sat night - - ENTRE NOUS
In Washington DC every saturday night there is a nice club that opens for swingers. ABC laws do apply, but it is a great way to meet other couples in the area.
You don't have to join the website, just look it over for info about the club.
http://www.entrenousqueen.com/AdultWarning.html

Lifestyle Stats - - According to Wikipedia there are over 4 million swingers in America. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swinging
Given that there are about 315.5 million people in America and that about 189 million of them are ages 21 to 65, here are some interesting stats on Swingers in the population.
If you're flying on an average Boeing 737, there are 4 swingers on-board. Rice-Eccles stadium would have about 968 swingers at a sold out game. A sold out Jazz game at Energy Solutions Arena would have 421 swingers cheering on their team. An average Utah movie theater might have as many as 5 swingers viewing an R rated movie. Madison Square Gardens would entertain 423 swingers at any given event. Pioneer Theater might have 20 in the lifestyle at one of it's shows. Going to a convention at the Southtowne Center; you'll enjoy the company of 572 swingers. Hale Center Theater might have 13 at one of it's shows. The Outdoor Retailers Winter Market appealed to as many as 174 swingers. You might be skiing with 138 swingers if you're going to Deer Valley. The average cruise ship might have 47 swingers aboard. A Utah Walmart sells to something like 71 swingers each day. If you're riding TRAX, so are 445 other swingers each day. If you ran the Salt Lake Marathon, you did so with 22 swingers. The Big Cottonwood Marathon didn't have as many, only about 19. Here are the big ones. Sturgis Motorcycle Rally - 10,584 swingers (not really a surprise). This one surprised me - Hot August Nights might have a whopping 16,935 swingers checking out the rod and custom cars. Amazing!
So if you're worried about running into another member of the lifestyle you can quit worrying. You're running into them on a real regular basis. You just might not know it. Based on the national statistics, there are actually about 36,624 swingers in Utah. That's more than 1 person in 50. How many people do you know?
Mr. Sexperimentors
PS. Imagine what it would be like if the entire lifestyle population of Utah partied together!

ARE THEY REAL? - - T4,
Well the thing is.....we have over 2200 views on our profile and those people have probably got as much action off this site as us. I think there are ALOT of fakers out there in Swingular land.
We have all but given up on meeting real swingers on this site, (maybe we need to fly out East and hook up with some of you real swingers!!!) I mainly use the site now for the forum, hopefully I will be proven wrong.
~K~

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Florida Swing Party
San Carlos Lounge
March 11, 2011
The Friendly Members Club
A no pressure evening of fun!
Meet new friends and make your promises, or meet at the hotel down the street :)
Come to 18911 S. Tamiami Trail, Fort Myers (41), San Carlos Lounge from
9:00 p.m. till 1:30 a.m.
This is a straight bar and It's Ok To Be Sexy! Sexy is fine in public, nude is not:)
This is not like many other Meet and Greets you may go to. When you get there, come up to the DJ and tell him you are here for the party. Kimi will introduce you to the other swingers in the room so you won't have to sit there and try to guess who else may be in the LifeStyle :)
Warning: They like their music loud at San Carlos, and smoking is allowed.
We hope you will all sit at a large table to get to know each other! We'll be playing all genres of music and requests are welcomed as always!
Drinks are very reasonable, and no cover charge, but please don't drink and drive. Come out to party and dance with us!
If you want to get a motel room, the Springs Resort is nearby....only a couple minutes north of San Carlos Lounge. This is one of the motels we used to have our parties. Go to http://www.thespringsresort.com/ for all info.
Or.....Upgrades:
Holiday Inn Express Approx. 5.6 miles from San Carlos Lounge on I-75 at exit 123.
Hampton Inn Suites Approx. 5.6 miles from San Carlos Lounge on I-75 at exit 123.
Embassy Suites, Hilton Approx. 5.6 miles from San Carlos Lounge on I-75 at exit 123.

Single Males ~VS~ Single Females - Whats the difference? - OK...
How many times do we have to beat the proverbial dead horse?
NOTHING in this thread is new, aside from one guy getting letters from Honduras or some other odd shit.
The reality of it is this: Single Men tend to be pushy, arrogant, looking to "fuck your wife like you wish you could," and other various piggish things, HOWEVER, there are those, T4REAL is among them, that are swingers...The problem is that there are MANY of the former, and FEW of the later.
Between the insecurity, the preferences, and the assholes, it makes for an uphill climb for a single male.
The best advice I can give single males is this: DO NOT FEED THE STEREOTYPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If the profile says, NO SINGLE MALES...don't write...you are NOT special...If they respond negatively, do NOT write back and ask why or make a snide remark....Just let it go...
IF you are reading a profile and it says, "WE WILL CONTACT YOU" let them contact you...Come on...The profile says that for a reason...
Now...On to the clubs...Someone stated that they paid $70 to get into a club, but got laid with dinner and all for less...Sorry, but that sounds like prostitution...NOTwhat the lifestyle is about...Why do they charge more for single men? because the single man will pay it...They do not run a club as a "Lets get single men layed charity" it is a business...the sole purpose of a business is to make money...That whole discussion is the EXACT reason so many couples say NO SINGLE MEN...What a prick...If I were you, I would delete that piece...You will NEVER get laid with that type of shit floating around here...
Another reason single men are so frowned upon, how many times have you seen a profile with nothing but a dick picture? OK>.....You ARE a male, we must assume you have one...Why not put something else on? If you read profiles, MOST say, "WE DO NOT NEED A COCK SHOT" only a few want to make sure the goods are good...so why would you post nothign but a cock shot? Then there is the angry inch guys...They have a turtle head and wanna advertise it...What the fuck is that? If you have a small dick, you can make up for it with personality and skill, HOWEVER, if you advertise it...No one will give you the chance...
OK...I think I am done with my rant...At least for now...

Discretion, the better part of valor - I love that saying - It's a tough one. Women will ALWAYS get more action here than men. Sex is theirs when it comes to power and control. The "you can only get as much as I can get" has never worked for us. But our situation is a little different in that I travel a ton for work so when I'm home I can't see spending what little time I have with someone else. And being on the road, I don't have time to get any action. So the equality in playing separate isn't there. As a result, Mrs. Sexperimentor doesn't play without me unless it's another woman. That's her choice and a bone thrown to equality, which I appreciate.
As for the issue of not playing because you're afraid you'll run into a playmate in your vanilla life... To me that's horse pucky. The person you run into will be at just as much risk as you of being "outed". You'll have a lot more in common than a whole lot of other people you meet. And if you have a little discretion about who you play with, you'll have similar attitudes on how to conduct yourselves in a vanilla situation. Actually, I don't think we have EVER, in all the years we've been doing this, just run into anyone we've played with. There are people we've known to be swingers but haven't played with that we've run into, one lady I run into frequently, but life in the lifestyle has never even been discussed in vanilla settings.
I hope this isn't your situation, but the last couple I knew that would play separately but not together, with a story told essentially the same way you told yours, didn't end well. She was more interested in having other romantic relationships than she was in maintaining her marriage. Frankly, while playing without my wife is fun, and we share the tales and details afterward, I'd really rather play as a couple. Our playing together has enhanced our relationship and that's what I'd encourage you to do.
Mr. Sexperimentors

When You're Shopping the Scene... - - Yeah, it'd be kinda cool if there actually WAS some kind of universal accessory or a signal that swingers could use to ID each other out in the vanilla world. And many have tried over the years but nothing has ever really caught on (back in the day, more than a few women wore necklaces of an apple with a bite out of it). And even if something DID actually catch on, and people wore it or whatever to identify other swingers, how long do you think it would take for the internet to make that fairly common knowledge?
We went to a swinger's convention in San Diego a number of years ago. The group had taken over the entire hotel and property and nobody was allowed in without a special wristband. It took about 4 hours for most of the hotel staff to learn what those wristbands meant. By the next day, people at nearby hotels, restaurants, and shopping centers had heard the news and as you passed people they would glance at you and then immediately glance down at your wrist. By that evening, most of the swingers were becoming so self-conscious that they were attempting to hide the wristbands beneath watches and bracelets. A few even pulled them off their wrists, if they were loose enough, and then put them back on when re-entering the property.
So, as nice as it would be to know for sure who other swingers are, it would kinda defeat the purpose of what many of us state in our profiles...that we're discreet. I suspect that about 10% (if even) would wear a black ring and about 90% wouldn't for fear of being outed as swingers. YMMV