@ Hep Kat. don't you have anything better to do than bash this guys opinion? stop being a dick, you probably are a sad sack thriving on making people feel bad about themself.....anyone feel for pancakes?

nah its cool why have opinions if people can't bash them? but I highly doubt there are post hardcore albums with superior lyrics/vocals. I am new to the genre so I bet there is much better shit from an instrumental standpoint.

Lyrically, I think these albums can be objectively argued to be 2 of the best of all time. Overall.. maybe not objectively but fuck it I love these albums and music is subjective anyways so sputnik you suck you suck