'My son is NOT very optimal... he is very dead': Mother of U.S. diplomat killed in Libya attack sl

Originally posted by shadwgirl
But a grieving mother wants to hear words like tragedy, travesty, maybe even criminal. Using optimal makes it sound like it set him back on a plan.
I understand what the president was saying, but look at it from the mother's point of view. He could have said it in a more compassionate manner.

No, he should've said it in a more compassionate matter. What he said shows that he does not care about the killed person or loss of life at
all. To Obama it's just a set back, a nuisance. Not a tragedy or a blow to the USA. He simply does not care.

Did you even watch the video I just linked? Did you open the article? Do you still find the Obama administrations treatment of Ambassador Steven's
mother sympathetic?

No I didn't, but I am not searching for evidence the President is a compassionate man. You are.

Please re-read what I said. What you just said here is quite a spin of my comment. I was speaking specifically about Obama's behavior in this
instance towards this woman. I am not generalizing about Obama's overall level of compassion.

It was a less than compassionate response, I'll give you that but hey, we're at war.
He did show up to greet her sons body and that shows respect. Other Presidents refused to allow photographs of the dead so we would deliberately
underestimate the toll of war. I am not voting that party in.

Originally posted by shadwgirl
But a grieving mother wants to hear words like tragedy, travesty, maybe even criminal. Using optimal makes it sound like it set him back on a plan.
I understand what the president was saying, but look at it from the mother's point of view. He could have said it in a more compassionate manner.

No, he should've said it in a more compassionate matter. What he said shows that he does not care about the killed person or loss of life at
all. To Obama it's just a set back, a nuisance. Not a tragedy or a blow to the USA. He simply does not care.

Mr. Obama said: “The government is a big operation and any given time, something screws up. And you make sure that you find out what’s broken
and you fix it.” “When four Americans get killed, it’s not optimal,” Mr. Obama said, (and) “We’re going to fix it. All of it.”

What did people want Obama to do here? Fake tears like Romney would and has done in the past? He answered the question using the words of his
interviewer back at him. Pretty common response to any question.
I think you are reading more into this and the mother...well she is naturally distraught. She's lost her son so becoming unhinged and lashing out is
perfectly understandable...for her.

Show compassion. Show humanity. Show the victims the respect they deserve, instead of making it seem like a set back on a plan. Instead of a making it
seem like a statistic on a sheet of paper. This, to me, was the last straw. I cannot respect a man who has such a lack of respect for people who died
while serving under his administration and for the relatives of these people.

Show compassion. Show humanity. Show the victims the respect they deserve, instead of making it seem like a set back on a plan. Instead of a making it
seem like a statistic on a sheet of paper. This, to me, was the last straw. I cannot respect a man who has such a lack of respect for people who died
while serving under his administration and for the relatives of these people.

That is seriously and probably deliberately misreading the man. You vote how you want. I already voted.

Hi, again. I'm jumping in because I'd like something clarified. I haven't been following this closely, and I'm hoping you can help.

I found this one shocking that "they" would use this woman or worse that she would cooperate with a clear political maneuver, to embarrass
our POTUS instead of standing strong and united against our enemies in the region. It there no lengths this GOP will not go to, no levels too low to
broach... to win an election?

I assumed, and it sounded like, this was a cry of anguish from a wounded mother. It didn't seem to be
political, it seemed more a protest against an unfeeling jab. You can see the reaction it caused here. I thought it was definitely insensitive at
least, regardless of the politics.

This doesn't cause me object to Obama as a politician, but to him as a man.

Consider the nurse coming out of surgery to tell a mother her son died. As the doctor comes out, she rushes up to him, crying "Is it true? Is my
son dead?" The doctor replies, "Well, it wasn't the optimal outcome, now was it?"

I would think anyone would either insult or assault the doctor after a comment like that. In the same way, this isn't about politics, it's about
Obama, the man, acting like a jerk. (No, I'm not saying here that he IS a jerk, just that he acted like one this time.)

With respect,
Charles1952

You are taking this totally out of context. Just like everyone else that is complaining about it. Watch the video again he only used the word optimal
in response to the question that Stewart said to him which used the word optimal.

Originally posted by shadwgirl
no, I meant violence. I mean any type of violence whether from jihad to getting shot in a drive by. It pains me when any life is lost to any type of
violence. But maybe I should have been more specific to the situation. Also, I was trying to imagine being in Obama's shoes when I was typing my
answer.

edit on 19-10-2012 by shadwgirl because: grammar

My apologies if I came on too strongly on the use of the term "Violence" as a stand-alone word..........I just wanted other readers to realize that
the sort of violence we see committed by al Qaeda terrorists isn't just your everyday sort of an attack on other individuals or property...........its
really serious mayhem that these people deliver.

I READ IN THE BUSINESS INSIDER; THAT THIS AMERICAN AMBASSADOR TO LIBYA WAS LINKED WITH A CRIME OF SUPPLYING ARMS TO THE REBELS IN SYRIA AGAINST
PRESIDENT ASSAD AND THAT; SOME PEOPLE IN THE GOVERNMENT ORGANISED HIS BEING KILLED:

TO ME; I THINK HE WAS KILLED OUT OF JEALOUSY BY SOME AMERICANS AND THAT HIS MOTHER SHOULD BE COMPENSATED: THE KILLED MAN WAS A JURIS DOCTOR AND HE
ALSO ATTENDED THE MILITARY SCHOOL, THE MOTHER SPENT HER FORTUNE ON HER SON AND I FEEL THAT SHE MUST NOT LOSE TOTALLY: THE MAN `S ACTION; IF BUSINESS
INSIDER PRESS IS RIGHT; SUPPOSED TO BE STOPPED WITH SERIOUS WARNINGS BY THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS; IF THE US GOVERNMENT WAS AGAINST:

THEY PUSHED HIM TO ACT AND KILLED HIM; IT WAS LIKE A CONSPIRACY ISSUE:

Who are "these people"? The mother of the dead diplomat? If it was Cindy Sheehan would you make this remark?
Insinuating that people who don't agree with the Obamanation are just stupid fools is not going to get you far in a real debate.

THEY PUSHED HIM TO ACT AND KILLED HIM; IT WAS LIKE A CONSPIRACY ISSUE:

Who did? The jealous Americans you spoke of or the WH as it was suggested in the media sources. I also heard about Barack's hand in this, and some
people would do anything to defend him. The guy was probably killed so as not to expose the role POTUS had in the deal, just like Fast and Furious,
this POTUS is committing treason in a big way to arm our enemies.

I know webster Tarpley is someone folks poke fun at, but he said something yesterday or today that was exactly what i said in this thread earlier,

Webster Tarpley: CIA Has Fingerprints All Over Benghazi Assault

Oct 20, 2012
The prime suspect in the death of Ambassador Stevens and his three colleagues is Sufyan Bin Qumu, an obvious US double agent who spent several years
in Guantanamo and who doubtless swore eternal obedience to the CIA to get released.

Abu Sufian Ibrahim Ahmed Hamuda Bin Qumu is a citizen of Libya who was held in extrajudicial detention in the United States Guantanamo Bay detention
camps, in Cuba.[1] Joint Task Force Guantanamo counter-terrorism analysts report he was born on 26 June 1959, in Derna, Libya.
Qumu was transferred to Libya on 28 September 2007.[2] In 2011 he became the leader of a band of fighters in his hometown of Derna during the 2011
Libyan civil war.[3][4]

Feb 17 Revolution

In 2011 he became the leader of a band of fighters in his hometown of Derna called Ansar al-Sharia (Derna,Libya) during the 2011 Libyan civil
war.[3][4]

Qumu was reported by Fox News as possibly being involved with and may have led the September 11th, 2012 attack on the US Consulate in Benghazi, Libya
that resulted in the murder of four US Diplomats including US Ambassador Chris Stevens.[10] However, at this time a US national security official
reported to Mother Jones that "that report is wrong, there's no intelligence suggesting that he was leading the attack on the consulate that
evening."[11]

Frank Herbert predicted LulzSec
Time Magazine's Techland blog did a fairly decent job characterizing the motivations behind LulzSec today. They even likened their mentality to Heath
Ledger's role in The Dark Knight, although they quoted the wrong line. My favorite line is when Aaron Eckhard said he was going to flip a coin, and
either join Ledger's Joker personnae or kill him. To which Ledger replied, "Now you're talking!"

As crazy as it sounds, these yokels attacking the CIA, the U.S. Senate and other high profile institutions makes a certain sense if you consider the
calculus of history. When the government becomes completely disfunctional and remarkably illogical, the subsequent vacuum actually creates the
countering force. In other words, the USA created LulzSec.

Now don't take this too far, as some whacked-out politicians have suggested that we created the atmosphere in which terrorism was demanded. That's
pure hogwash. Jihadists had to invoke terrorist strategies to deflect the attention of their populations from their own bankrupt ideologies. If the
USA didn't exist, jihadists would have had to create us as the external focus. Remember, the best rule for pure marketing is "common cause, common
enemy."

But we did create LulzSec. Heck, if I didn't belong to a religion that insisted on obedience to the "laws of the land," I'd probably flush a few
cherry bombs down the toilets of various federal buildings. Frustration with cyber policy can make smart people do some stupid and self-destructive
things. Which is what Frank Herbert predicted in both Dune and in The Tactful Saboteur. Simply put, technology will come to the point where a single
individual can bring down everything. And here we are with LulzSec.

Frank Herbert, working on the staff of the San Francisco Examiner, could hardly help being deeply affected by these wild historical currents
washing through his adopted hometown. The hippies, the drugs, the war, the politics -- all influenced his attitudes in ways that become obvious when
his works are placed in historical perspective.

But in the summer of 1971, when Herbert was writing Hellstrom's Hive7 [22], about all that remained of that fantastic decade was rising smoke and
ash, a nightmare war in Vietnam that raged on, and concentric rings of paranoia spreading steadily outward from the Nixon White House. Those preaching
imminent victory in Vietnam could not be believed. The C.I.A. and the F.B.I. could not be trusted. Darkness was enveloping America.

Which makes Hellstrom's Hive more comprehensible.

We were at this point in history toward the "end" of the FAILED and GENOCIDAL madness of the Vietnam War.
Yet WHERE ARE THE PROTESTORS??

How US Ambassador Chris Stevens May Have Been Linked To Jihadist Rebels In Syria

Michael Kelley
Bussines Insider
October 19, 2012

The official position is that the US has refused to allow heavy weapons into Syria.
But there’s growing evidence that U.S. agents—particularly murdered ambassador Chris Stevens—were at least aware of heavy weapons moving from
Libya to jihadist Syrian rebels.

In March 2011 Stevens became the official U.S. liaison to the al-Qaeda-linked Libyan opposition, working directly with Abdelhakim Belhadj of the
Libyan Islamic Fighting Group—a group that has now disbanded, with some fighters reportedly participating in the attack that took Stevens’
life.

In November 2011 The Telegraph reported that Belhadj, acting as head of the Tripoli Military Council, “met with Free Syrian Army [FSA] leaders in
Istanbul and on the border with Turkey” in an effort by the new Libyan government to provide money and weapons to the growing insurgency in
Syria.

Yikes
Remember what I said about Hillary calling in all the ambassadors for off the wire meeting.
I wonder what Stephens' job was after that

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