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After all, if every economic issue is framed as a struggle between a hard-working white middle class and undeserving minorities, then workers of all shades will be left fighting for scraps while the wealthy withdraw further into their private enclaves - Barack Obama

It was KL who posted a very ghastly video of a very young sub-Saharan (Black) African girl being tortured by a LIBYAN ARAB (I presume) a couple of weeks ago. After perusing that video my stomach churned for more than two days to the point that I constantly threw up. I had nightmares about that ghastly scenery in the video relative to its cruelty in barbarity on a human being by another "human being" to the point of reversing my view in favor of the Jews in their conflict with dem Arabs on the Palestinian issue, and the views we take as Americans in favor of Israel.

It also rebuffed the view held by some Islamic "leaders" in the USA that Christians and Jews practice "gutter" religions. On the contrary, it is now my belief that the religion practiced by these dirty Libyans is the only GUTTER religion we have here on Earth.

These novel views of mine are reinforced by what I have just read on the BBC website about the fact that Libyans are now selling sub-Saharan Africans (Blacks) wanting to emigrate to Europe, and other greener pastures, into slavery in these modern times, at the end of mistreating them inhumanely for months, and years with their only crime being; the desire to use their country as a gateway in order to escape abject poverty in their countries of birth in Africa. Please go to that website and read for yourselves. Here is the link:

I believe this inhuman attitude of Libyan Arabs towards their Black neighbors in Africa would have NEVER been condoned by brother Muammar Gaddaffi, may his soul rest in perfect peace somewhere in the desert where he is "buried" when murdered by, who else? dirty uncivilized Libyans. Based on this inhumanity of Libyans toward Black Africans, Libya will know NO PEACE in the foreseeable future - only war, and complete mayhem will show face in that abominable wicked nation state, I pray.

But then again what is being done by the "Leaders" in these African nations where these victims originated from in order to abolish this very inhumane practice?

Could that religion be classified as a GUTTER RELIGION? due to the Satanic behavior practiced in present-day Libya against African Brotherhood?

I would never have resorted to asking questions like the ones posed above, if Brother Muammar Ghaddafy was still leading that Jammarriyyah (sic?) presently. He considered all on the African continent as brothers and sisters by his deeds and utterings in his Green Book.

From what I understand Libyan xenophobia directed toward subsaharan dark skinned Africans existed before Gaddafi but became much greater because many Libyans perceived dark skinned Africans as having fought for Gaddafi and or supported him.

I have not heard of cases of other Arabs selling black Africans as slaves so I do not believe it has anything to do with the religion of the Libyand when in fact most of these dark skinned Africans they mistreat and murder share the same religion.

The mean spirited attitude of many Libyans toward these people will not change any time soon, so what do you think should be done?

"...I have not heard of cases of other Arabs selling black Africans as slaves so I do not believe it has anything to do with the religion of the Libyand when in fact most of these dark skinned Africans they mistreat and murder share the same religion..."

WRONG!

I know you've heard about the following countries: Mauritania, Sudan, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Iraq, Yemen, Lebanon, Syria, etc. Have you not? Well, they practice the enslavement of dark Africans as well. Slavery is embedded in the cultural attributes of that GUTTER RELIGION of theirs.

You are a smart guy, so please do some more research relative to this topic, and come back to report your findings on the Bintu.

Sengbe I hope you are not trying to prepare the ground for a religious battle in bintu. I can see you are bent on painting all muslims with the brush of a few bad ones a move which will not bear any good children because there are tons of brushes to paint Christianity as a gutter religion too. Please don't bite more than you can chew. Be reminded that Libyans are not representing all muslims and that not all Arabs are muslims. The deeds of Libyans have nothing to do with their faith. What if some of the perpetrators in question are Christians is it right to use their faith to judge their deeds? Man put on your reasoning cap!

@MK: I do not believe we should fault religion in this case but I do have a question for you. Do you believe that there is slavery of black Africans in the Arab countries Sengbe listed in his response to me...when he asked me to do some research in order to verify his claim? I just started looking into it and would be interested in what your views are.

"...The deeds of Libyans have nothing to do with their faith..." Musa Kenema aka Ishmail Sahid Z.

Okay then, what can you attribute those bad and wicked deeds by Libyans to? if not their faith and beliefs that were instilled in them from the time they were born? We would very much like to hear about the alternate source of their wickedness, in general, bearing in mind the way they murdered Gaddaffy and the way they treat black Africans in general.

"...What if some of the perpetrators in question are Christians is it right to use their faith to judge their deeds?..." Musa Port Loko via Kissy Mess-Mess

Are there any Christians in Libya? Christians do not normally perpetrate such evil and wickedness for no just cause, as blatantly as your gutter religion does, especially when it is sanctioned in your holy book, the Quran. There are of-course some exceptions to this rule-of-thumb from a historical perspective. Where in Christendom does slavery still exist in modern times?

"...Man put on your reasoning cap!..." MK

I did, that is the main reason I am so incensed and angry at those mordaphocking Libyans who nearly crushed the brain of that black girl in that ghastly video and laughing about it in Arabic, and additionally about the modern-day slavery issue regarding black Africans who only seek to escape to Europe and other greener pastures using Libya as a gateway. You cannot use the fact that black African mercenaries fought on Gaddaffi's side during their brutal interregnum to justify the inhumanness of Libyans toward black Africans nowadays. Quid pro quo did exist during that period due to the help that the Colonel gave their nations of origin at the height of his power.

I know you are a Muslim, and you would like to absolve the Islamic faith of the violent sins perpetrated against innocent folks in this world. I understand that, but you are on the wrong side of this infamy. Does ISIS , Al Qaeda, and other terrorist groups prick your human conscience along these lines?

By the way, I never said that ALL Muslims or practitioners of the Islamic faith are guilty considering that ALL of the ghastly terroristic activities and events have been orchestrated by Muslims as lone wolves, or in groups in these modern times.

Is it right to say the Bible sanctioned Hitler's action? Is it right to use the context of the Holocaust to judge all Christians? What if I treat any Christian with the suspicion that he or she is capable of displaying Hitler's behaviour?

Now let us see which religion really belongs to the gutter!

While Bin Laden was accused of orchestrating the 911 attacks, the scale of human destruction has never come close to the six million perpetrated by Hitler who was a devout Christian belonging to the Roman catholic denomination.

In the context of slavery, the less said the better. See the link below and stop wasting your time trying to defend the indefensible. Christianity is culpable once again!

And the list goes on! Now it is clear that Christianity is palpably the gutter religion if I go by your logic.

I have just used three contexts as a warranting and with these I can draw a robust conclusion.

And one advice I have for you is to make some efforts to read your Bible from the old testament to the gospel of Jesus before accusing the Quran of sanctioning wrong deeds. If you give me the cause I will post all the verses in the Bible sanctioning a lot of things we consider wrong today. From the utterings of the fiery Christ to the crusades I have it all.

Musa Kissy-Mess-Mess, we are talking about MODERN TIMES, not the during the times of the Prophets (Christ and Mohammed).

In modern times, if a woman commits ADULTERY what happens to her?

Divorce is the ultimate price she'd pay in Christendom.

In the Islamic world, the woman is liable to be stoned to death. That is the price she'd have pay even in these modern times.

Catch a thief in the ancient, and modern Christian world: he'd be prosecuted in a court of law, and if found guilty, he'd be sentenced to serve a prison term. But in the Islamic world, a hand would be severed with a very dull sword; is the price he'd pay in a very public setting for all to see.

So! which of these two religions is in the Samba gutter of civilized behavior more so than the other? I think it is your Islamic religion, solely based on the two examples I have cited above.

Case closed!

BTW, bloody Hitler was agnostic; only believing that he himself was some sort of "God" thereby having the power and ability to exterminate six million folks of the Jewish faith. He only pretended to be Catholic in order to fool "people" into his obnoxious ranks as followers.

My argument, again, is placed in the very modern context, not in the ancient context (between BC to AD, circa the '40s).

Case closed where? The Hitler stigma as well as the Hiroshima and slave trade stigmas are not going away too soon nor can they be swept under the carpet.

! which of these two religions is in the Samba gutter of civilized behavior more so than the other? I think it is your Islamic religion, solely based on the two examples I have cited above.

So what is your definition of modern or civilized? The last time I checked modern deals with the present or recent and civilization deals with improvement in one's behaviour. So which of the two is recent or civilized? Christianity or Islam? If indulging in what Christ, Mohammed and other monotheistic prophets preached against is modernism then may God have mercy on you! If having one wife and ten concubines or indulging in adultery or fornication or abstaining from worshipping the one God or submitting yourself to the will of that God is modernism I can guarantee your soul heading for hell fire! A civilized person does not contravene the ten commandments which is the converse of the mainstream Christian behaviour. I do not need to talk about morality and ethics which is almost null in Christian behaviour. If the behaviour of your tele-evangelists or so-called powerful men of God is anything to go by, then Christianity is more samba gutter-prone than Islam! Christians of nowadays do not even pay heed to Christ's teachings because they have been deceived to believe that he has died for their sins. How many Christians fast for forty days and forty nights or even less during lent season? Sengbe no religion belongs to Samba gutter as yours!

, bloody Hitler was agnostic; only believing that he himself was some sort of "God" thereby having the power and ability to exterminate six million folks of the Jewish faith. He only pretended to be Catholic in order to fool "people" into his obnoxious ranks as followers.

Lol. That is the nutty professor at his hilarious best! So are you trying to deny Hitler of the religion he was born into and nurtured? Is this not akin to sacrilege? According to authentic sources Hitler's action was driven by his Christian faith. His belief that the Jews must be exterminated, that Europe must be jew-free was derived from his biblical comprehension of the jews as the Christians' enemy. We muslims know Bin Laden was bad but only God has the right to decide whether he was a true muslim or not. And for you trying to exclude Hitler from Christianity because he was evil remember your Christ once issued the following warning: JUDGE YE NOT FOR YE SHALL BE JUDGED . Hitler was one hundred percent Christian!

Why are "Muslims" in Sierra Leone finds it necessary to "pull sarah" by sacrificing animals?

Why are Muslims in Afghanistan and other countries finds it necessary for women to wear the burka?

Why the Shia and the Sunis disagrees on whether Prophet Mohamed should be succeeded by someone.

Why are so many Christian denominations and varied beliefs?

Chances are there are cultural influences among all world religions. As much as religion is important in people's lives, the potential for their cultural practices to influence their religious beliefs is greater than some will believe.

To close, it is very prejudicial to accuse a whole religion because of the "sins" of other in their membership. Regardless of what is being accused of some Libyans, there are still good Libyans.

Many thanks to Specky for that advice. Very well noted. I was away for the Easter holidays, that is why I am responding only now.

I did not mean to defame all the billion or more folks practicing the Islamic faith, only the ones giving the faith a bad name by practicing very CRUEL and EVIL deeds callously. Those ones I cannot forgive nor ignore. Thus, I appreciate and respect ALL good Muslims. But I cannot easily forget that video. It is very horrendous indeed.

Thank you @Specky for playing the elder statesman and thank you @Sengbe for the clarification. Applause all round. As disturbing as that video is, Salone has always been famous for our religious tolerance. It is something that we should cherish.

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