<div dir="ltr">Johnny: <div><br></div><div>again. two POC have spoken up so far to say that hearing this kind of language in the space unchecked would be alienating for them. Yes, whoever screamed at her certainly overreacted. However from the way you framed this from the get-go, you seem intent on giving her a pass for being a white person who used a racial slur at noisebridge, fully intentionally, with absolutely no understanding about her place in that, or the reaction from the people she would be oppressing with that language. Yes, we absolutely shouldn't scream at people to correct unwanted behavior, but from the beginning she was in the wrong, and your stance seems to be that because of the reaction to the issue, the behavior should get a pass. </div>
<div><br></div><div>-hep </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 10:53 AM, Adrian Chadd <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:adrian.chadd@gmail.com" target="_blank">adrian.chadd@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">... just bring it up at a Tuesday meeting? Bring the two people<br>
involved and have a calm discussion about what happened?<br>
<br>
(And if it doesn't stay calm, note that?)<br>
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On 30 December 2013 10:51, Johny Radio <<a href="mailto:johnyradio@gmail.com">johnyradio@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> I really don't feel right in continuing a discussion about people and<br>
> events, when i have likely mischaracterized both the people and the events.<br>
> Please take everything i described about the people and events with a grain<br>
> of salt-- the reality surely does not match, since i don't know the people<br>
> or events well enough.<br>
><br>
> Especially, forget the names, as it would be unfair to those involved to<br>
> attach their names to what may be an inaccurate characterization. Let's<br>
> assume the actual people and event are not as i described.<br>
><br>
><br>
> However, we could continue the discussion as a hypothetical. What if it did<br>
> happen?<br>
><br>
> The Harassment Policy was created specifically to make the space more<br>
> welcoming to women in particular, AND other people who don't fit into the<br>
> traditional science/tech white male universe.<br>
><br>
> Ari, in this scenario, the policy was used to make the place unwelcoming to<br>
> the very sort of human who the policy was intended to help. That's why i<br>
> felt it was very relevant to mention her gender and sexuality.<br>
><br>
> (she's quite public about it, otherwise i would not share someone's personal<br>
> info. She prolly mentioned she's a lesbian more than three times, publicly--<br>
> maybe that's her personal anti-harassment strategy).<br>
><br>
> (Note, she did come back later in the evening, after the person who shouted<br>
> was gone. Happily, she's resilient).<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
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