Wonder how that bucket and chain gizmo would work on grinding up apples for cider? I may have to try that. I mean, after all, it's just a macho-blender, right? Prob'ly need a sort of a propeller in the bottom the fluff up the stuff, though. Hmmmm.

Paul Wheaton, I am so impressed with what you are doing at Permies.com I have been reading with great interest on so many things I want to do. I plan to register soon and I have some questions to ask. Thanks for the videos and the site.
kent

grinding apples: I think a garbage disposal would be less than wise. It takes 1/3 of a cup of apple seeds to kill an average sized human. But if they stay in unbroken seed form while being pressed, they are perfectly safe. Smashing apples is better than shredding. A shredder with a big enough gap to allow seeds to be unbroken is okay.