14 August 2011 12:39 AM

Police water cannon and plastic bullets? After 50 years of the most lavish welfare state on earth? What an abject failure

Bitter laughter is my main response to the events of the past week. You are surprised by what has happened? Why? I have been saying for years that it was coming, and why it was coming, and what could be done to stop it.

I have said it in books, in articles, over lunch and dinner tables with politicians whose lips curled with lofty contempt.

So yes, I am deeply sorry for the innocent and gentle people who have lost lives, homes, businesses and security. Heaven knows I have argued for years for the measures that might have saved them.

But I am not really very sorry for the elite liberal Londoners who have suddenly discovered what millions of others have lived with for decades. The mass criminality in the big cities is merely a speeded-up and concentrated version of life on most large estates – fear, intimidation, cruelty, injustice, savagery towards the vulnerable and the different, a cold sneer turned towards any plea for pity, the awful realisation that when you call for help from the authorities, none will come.

Just look and see how many shops are protected with steel shutters, how many homes have bars on their windows. This is not new.

As the polluted flood (it is not a tide; it will not go back down again) of spite, greed and violence washes on to their very doorsteps, well-off and influential Left-wingers at last meet the filthy thing they have created, and which they ignored when it did not affect them personally.

No doubt they will find ways to save themselves. But they will not save the country. Because even now they will not admit that all their ideas are wrong, and that the policies of the past 50 years – the policies they love – have been a terrible mistake. I have heard them in the past few days clinging to their old excuses of non-existent ‘poverty’ and ‘exclusion’.

Take our Prime Minister, who is once again defrauding far too many people. He uses his expensive voice, his expensive clothes, his well-learned tone of public-school command, to give the impression of being an effective and decisive person. But it is all false. He has no real idea of what to do. He thinks the actual solutions to the problem are ‘fascist’. Deep down, he still wants to ‘understand’ the hoodies.

Say to him that naughty children should be smacked at home and caned in school, that the police (and responsible adults) should be free to wallop louts and vandals caught in the act, that the police should return to preventive foot patrols, that prisons should be austere places of hard work, plain food and discipline without TV sets or semi-licit drugs, and that wrongdoers should be sent to them when they first take to crime, not when they are already habitual crooks, and he will throw up his well-tailored arms in horror at your barbarity.

Say to him that divorce should be made very difficult and that the state should be energetically in favour of stable, married families with fathers (and cease forthwith to subsidise families without fathers) and he will smirk patronisingly and regard you as a pitiable lunatic.

Say to him that mass immigration should be stopped and reversed, and that those who refuse any of the huge number of jobs which are then available should be denied benefits of any kind, and he will gibber in shock.

Yet he is ready to authorise the use of water cannon and plastic bullets on our streets (quite useless, as it happens, against this sort of outbreak) as if we were a Third World despotism.

Water cannon and plastic bullets indeed. What an utter admission of failure, that after 50 years of the most lavish welfare state in the solar system, you cannot govern your country without soaking the citizenry in cold water and bombarding them with missiles from a safe distance. Except, of course, that it is because of the welfare system that this is so.

Here is an example of how little he knows about Britain. He says that the criminals of August will face the ‘full force of the law’. What ‘force’?

The great majority of the looters, smashers, burners and muggers have not been arrested and never will be. Our long-enfeebled police were so useless at the start that thousands of crimes were committed with total impunity.

Now we know why they don’t call themselves ‘police forces’ any more. But they aren’t ‘services’ either, for they certainly don’t serve us or do what we want them to do, preferring to arrest us for defending ourselves. The criminals, who are cunning without being intelligent, all know this. They will wait for the next chance.

The loping, smirking, shuffling creeps who eventually appeared before the courts were the ultimate losers – the ones who came late to the looting and who were too slow or too stupid to run before they were put in the bag.

And what courts they are. In the one I sat in last week, self-confessed thieves are courteously addressed by magistrates and clerks as ‘mister’ and asked politely to stand up or ‘accompany the officers’ back to the cells or – more often – out into the street on bail. In the part of the dock reserved for those already free on bail, nobody has bothered to clean up the scribbled and disrespectful graffiti.

Why should anyone respect or fear this chamber of indifference? The wall-hangings behind the magistrates are scruffy and scratched. There is no sense of awe or determination or of much purpose. There is only a strong sense of going through the motions for the sake of appearances.

Nobody is directly punished for what he has done. Excuses must first be sought, and indulgence arranged where there should be cold rage. There will be ‘social inquiry reports’ and ‘youth offender teams’ who bustle smilingly in and out ready to start work on yet another ‘client’.

All this piffle enshrines the official (and hopelessly wrong) view that crime is caused by circumstances and background, not by unleashed human evil. It is precisely because of this windy falsehood that the cells are crammed with young men who broke the law because they felt like it.

Hulking louts – black and white, for this was an equal-opportunity crimewave – are accompanied before the bench by alleged ‘parents’ who are obviously afraid of their broods. Nothing is said or done to express official disapproval of crime. The accused are treated more like patients than like wrongdoers.

Many in this rogues’ parade are still trying to qualify for prison, but are only, as it were, at the GCSE stage. They have sheaves of previous convictions, no doubt a tiny sample of their many acts of spite, selfishness and cruelty.

You can bet their neighbours hate and fear them. Some are on bail for other offences, a state of affairs so common that it is almost funny. At least one is subject to a ‘suspended’ prison sentence, one of the many fake penalties handed down by the courts to fool the public into thinking that something significant happens to criminals.

They have all learned what most British politicians somehow cannot grasp – that the more encounters you have with our justice system, the less you fear it. A few ‘exemplary’ sentences – none of which will be served in full, or anything near it – will only help to spread the word that arson, robbery, violence, spite and selfishness are not punished here any more. Indeed these are the things we are now famous for around a world that once respected us.

And that is why we have many more nasty surprises waiting for us, here in The Country Formerly Known as Great Britain.

It was like a blasted revolution...the peasants going out on the rob. The police were told to do nothing-sorry thats a fact.
If only the public were able to defend themselves legally it would be a better country. Like the USA.
PS I also detest the Fabian society. They are agent provocateurs across the globe. Dangerous individuals who like to conspire against systems they don't approve of. When it comes to marxists, Fabian members etc always remember the old "see, hear be silent" motto. Keep a close watch on those devils.

What's the bet this entire pathetic island, particularly its politicians, will carry on dancing around the issue of what the cause of these riots actually were.

People complain about materialism. Then what about the Christian faith? But no, God and Christianity are the ultimate taboos in 21st century Britain. Problem unresolved.

Breakdown of the family and fatherless households. How about support for the traditional family unit? But no, it is a taboo to criticise single parent households and is contrary to the public and elite's obsession with egalitarianism. Problem unresolved.

Distinction between what is right and wrong? But no, these youths were angry because they live in 'poverty' and the government 'cuts' are not helping and abolishing 'EMA' caused a lot of anger, moral relativism runs deep it seems because postmodernism dominates. Problem unresolved.

Then how about discipline? But no, these thugs have rights too, send them to a social worker. Problem still unresolved. Why did things have to come to this?

I'm starting to feel part cannonised
No Alan thats not shot out of a cannon. Mr Ross talks of religion and the BNP as two opposites I believe. Well opposite to the lefty Anglian state church, that Hithcens subscribes to ( funny that ) . Where in fact a strong portion of members of the BNP are practicing Christians . Plus the BNP has its own official Pastor . A Reverend West.
At the Last Red white and Blue summer camp I visited, the Sunday service was attended by well over 50% of those there. But of course the tabloids don't tell you that.
Plus of course being a membe,r does not automatically make one a sycophant to the leadership. Just as Cameron, Glegg ,and Milliband, are not universally loved by their party faithful. But all in all, 12 years of media frenzy every time he visits the gents And still he comes out all guns blazing . That I do admire.
What ever pains we go through, most are not in it for fame or fortune .Had we, then disapointments aplenty. Its a cause more than a party. Perhaps not many can understand it . Underfire soldiers do. It cements a comradeship like no other. Right or wrong its what I am. Of course I think I'm right . And the world today seems to point to that being likely . In light of no other cause / party, anywhere near to adressing the problems we all face. Amen.
I always thought Kevin was not exactly what he claimed. A rose by any other name, But I'll not back it with cash.

If I were a betting man I'd bet that Kevin were not 'Lord Voldemort'. Kevin had a writing style that would be pretty difficult to imitate. If indeed Kevin were 'you know who', I'd have to tip my hat to 'you know who' for doing an excellent imitation with a very impressive back-story.

Alan Thomas,the PH take on the BNP and the man who would be fuhrer himself is pretty much the same as my own.Not least in the reluctance to change attitudes towards race and religion (which would offer a very good chance of delivering them real electoral success) showing just how precious such things are to him and his faithful.

I'm fortunate enough,as I suspect you are too,to live beside and associate with people who are a lot more Labrador than Pit Bull in their behaviour.It's all too easy to forget about the many good people who don't enjoy such good fortune and are driven to a BNP vote in the hope of improving their lot.Sure,sarcasm can sometimes be a good and deserved thing,but your ideas about laws against free speech seem almost as out of touch as your take on what happens to the mentally ill nowadays.

How about the example of the bloke who got into hot water with the powers that be for writing a harmless poem which contained a word which rhymed with an unkind term for gypsies.I know it is Bob, son of Bob who's mentioned this quite a few times and I certainly wish it wasn't true,but it is.

Richard Stewart,Bob Junior certainly seems to reckon much to Griffin,the party-I don't know.Mike Barnes makes no secret of his thumbs up for both stance while William I ,it seems,wouldn't vote this way.Not entirely sure about the identity of Al's 'fourth man' here and it's probably best I don't try to second guess him.But certainly Bob,Mike B and William have all made good points here which don't become mad or bad because we might,as I do,agree to differ on at least a few of their other positions.

As for Kevin,well my last post but one (on this thread) was slightly moderated due (I can only guess) to my speculation as to who he really was.I worked on the assumption,for long enough,that he was who he said he was and beleived all he said he beleived.Maybe he was and did?Whatever the reality,he wrote a lot of good stuff and it certainly reflects in no way badly upon anyone who recognised this and said so.

Another angry argument-free outburst from Alan Thomas revealing how some of those on the left think. I don’t know why they are so angry seeing as their types are running the show at present. Eg see the quote below about those on the left with similar thought processes to his releasing 4000 offenders each with at least 50 convictions into our society. He should be happy that his type are in charge, not wailing and carping.

As with D Bunker, all these types can do is shout insults as they cannot deny that the pitbull is different from the Labrador and that is due to the genes.

Neither can they deny that there are some humans whose genes allow them to approach a complete stranger and rob them and provoke them to possible retaliation with hardly any ‘alarm bell’ neurons going off to tell them to desist, meanwhile there are other humans who would break out in a cold sweat if they had to steal an out of date packet of crisps from a dustbin in the back yard of a supermarket if they were starving.

The former are the human equivalent of the pitbull and the true Left seeks to increase their number and influence. When they do this in the classroom they are at their most wicked.

Beatpoet – I agree that the Left shield themselves as much as they can from the effects of their own policies but this is not always possible. My opinion is that for the true Left their hate and malice is so strong that even if their own child is murdered by criminals it will not shift their desire to nurture and breed criminals and spread their influence. See the quote below about the 4000 offenders. Those who dominate our establishment and who are totally devoted to releasing these 4000 criminals still have peace of mind even knowing full well how many more crimes these criminals will commit by releasing them and not punishing them. This shows what kind of person the True Left is, and this sort of behaviour can only be explained by supposing that they think differently to normal people, and that such huge differences can only be explained by genetic differences, as no-one with wiring for normal morals could do what they do and still sleep soundly at night.

An example of an issue where their wealth and privilege does not shield them from the effects of their own policies is academics who campaign for cannabis legalisation. Their children will be included in campaigns at uni to tempt them into drugs.

Should the BNP ever reverse its policies on race and religion I suspect the current rift in that party would quickly develop into something approaching total implosion. The formation of the EDL was, I understand, very much due to the decision of the former to move away from its original style of 'the power of the fist,' allied to a thin veneer of the more traditional method of the ballot box, in its attempt to create a foothold in UK politics.
Peter Hitchens has consistently stated his views on the attempts of the BNP to conceal their underlying agenda by adopting other policies that they feel would entice disaffected Tories to their party.

Richard Stewart

There's nothing like a bit of sarcasm to tease out those who so often moan about laws which they claim prevent them from saying what they'd really like to say!
At least mikebarnes make no pretence as to his allegiance to his chosen party, and that, at least, is to his credit.

I'm no fan of Mr. Griffin and have no idea whether Bob is or isn't a fan of his. That said, Bob makes plenty of good points. What's wrong with punishing criminals and school bullies? What's wrong with giving jobs in public services to the competent and sacking the incompetent?

Mr. Thomas simply tells Bob that he's 'barking'.

It's a shame that Kevin Casablanca doesn't post here any more either. I realise that most on here weren't keen on Kevin's bible-literalism but he also made some interesting points about how the UK is governed compared to his experienes living in a completely different country (Morocco). Kevin posted plenty to agree with and plenty to disagree with - the perfect ingredients for a good debate. Kevin also took the time to answer in detail those contributors who responded to his comments.

Ian Vallance – I am not saying it is planned in the sense that I do not think it is talked about or co-ordinated in any way or even thought about. They are just acting out their natural inclinations. And I suggest these urges arise from their genes. How else can you explain something that is so strong and not even in their own best interest? And modern wealth has allowed them to take over by providing professions which they tend to gravitate towards – senior teaching positions, academia, local councils, TV media – all places where you do not have to be any good at actually doing something in order to get promotion – all you need is the correct opinions and clique-joining ability.

Not all the left are the same. I refer to the instigators as the True Left. The rest include a lot of sheep who follow without thinking or caring or having strong opinions at all, or to get promotion. Eg many teachers feel they have to support inclusiveness to join the clique, not because they strongly and fundamentally support the concept. These same people would oppose inclusiveness if they thought that would give them promotion instead. Many, such as Brian Meredith's aquaintances, follow the opinions they hear from others and from the TV, and which they were taught at uni, and such opinions can easily switch sides again.

You are being too generous to the true Left by saying they do not realise what they do. When the True Left head teacher and senior staff welcome the bullies into their school in the name of inclusiveness, they know they are introducing bad influences who will cause misery for the normal children. This level of malice cannot be explained away by ignorance. Those who released the 4000 I mentioned below know exactly what they will get up to, so cannot be described as misguided.

Alan Thomas,I feel and say now,as I felt and said then,that Kevin spoke a lot of sense,especially on matters medical.
Kevin (whoever he was) only let himself down (quite possibly on purpose) in the biblical and spiritual areas,as Bob, son of Bob does with Nick Griffin-better person.But the facts of this matter are that,like Oswald Mosley before him,Griffin could well have gone right to the top,had he been willing to toe one of the usual party lines.And,sad but true,the inarticulate,hard of thinking thug label could no more stick to the latter than the former.

Now only if the day comes when Nick truly disowns and regrets his and his party's attitudes towards race and religion will Bob Junior's claim sound rather more convincing than it does at present.But this can no more wipe out the considerable sense in his other positions than playing a card which is never,in my experience,used against those winning an argument.

My left-wing anger? If you really think that rattling on about breeds of dogs and brain wiring is the way to bring folk around to your way of thinking - particularly when such thinking puts the KKK-meeting leader of the BNP into your unique 'better people' classification - then you can hardly expect me not to put you into my own classification system. To stay on the doggy theme, perhaps 'barking' is better than the 'men in white coats' riposte.

Evidence for wiring causing behaviour – the difference between the behaviour of the pitbull and that of the Labrador is mainly due to genes giving rise to different patterns of brain neurons (‘wiring’). (Training of the dog also plays a role but to simplify things consider a Labrador and pitbul brought up together in the same environment)

Alan Thomas saying ‘men in white coats’ is not a counter argument to anything I have written, but merely reveals his left-wing anger at what I have said, but, being unable to think of any actual arguments, all he can say is ‘you are mad’. I suggest the mad ones are the criminal-lovers in the establishment who feature in today’s DM story who released 4000 offenders to do community sentences, despite totting up at least 50 convictions each. Look up “The number of career criminals being spared jail has soared since the Coalition took office. An astonishing 4,000 offenders have been handed community sentences, despite each totting up at least 50 convictions.”
Strange how Alan Thomas always turns up sneering and indignant whenever I criticise the criminal lovers. This tells us something about him and how the minds of types like him work.

Bob s.o.b. states of the left, "they want a breakdown of discipline in schools even though their own children will be bullied too. They want companies to be able to market cannabis to students at uni even though their own children will be targeted too. They want the police to be ineffective and for crime to rise even though their own personal wealth and privilege will not always shield them. They want the country to abandon its energy needs knowing that their own wealth will collapse also."

I think you'll find that many on the left, particularly those in positions of power and influence, are greatly unaffected by this. Their children do not attend bad schools (think Diane Abbott), they live in areas which are not afflicted by high levels of crime and their wealth, far from collapsing, remains intact, and probably will continue to do so. I think if they suffered as many others do, things might actually change for the better but given that they remain insulated from the fall-out of their own misguided policies, we can only live in hope.

Who are the Cultural Marxists, and how do you know their motives for allowing asylum? We don't pay for them to go elsewhere presumably because other countries have stricter immigration policies than ours, and wouldn't allow them in. If it were possible to do this, though, it might be a good idea.

Your arguments regarding state support and foreign aid invite the same response: how do you infer these people's motives from what could be, and more likely is, mere incompetence, and a blindness to the consequences? I suspect that the Labour Minister was just throwing out any old response in the heat of the moment, when the efficacy of the policy was questioned.

You say of cannabis: 'But no-one believes your false motive of ‘reducing crime’.' Really? I do. If I'm the only one, you have to explain why a fair few people who don't use cannabis are in favour of its legalisation.

Also, I hate to point this out, but many (if not most) BNP supporters come from the 'underclass' which you so deride. Their dragging knuckles can be heard from miles around.

MR Wooderson .
When one makes a submission regarding the pecadillos of the left or right . Its usually subjective.Thus requiring no proof or facts. It is the persons own view of a complex situation. Bob s,o,b. uses a wiring diagram to explain . As wiring and brain are common parlance.
The proof you require I believe is all around us. Using ones eyes is all thats required .

Now I have replied to everyone who made proper points.
As for the other posters who say nothing but express anger – It is surprising how many people get angry when I criticise those who are responsible for bullying in schools, the misery of drug addiction, crime, the bankruptcy of the nation, the destruction of our culture and the breeding of the underclass. Perhaps they think the underclass who are being paid to breed are basically the same as everyone else and there is no reason to suppose that they are going to provide us with more criminals. Perhaps they also think the pitbull is basically the same as the Labrador, and perhaps they believe that if you raise a pitbull pup in a loving environment it will make a suitable guide dog for the blind. Perhaps those in government paying the underclass to breed also believe the pitbull is basically the same as the Labrador. Or perhaps they are very aware of the difference.

Joshua Wooderson “Also, how does Bob account for the fact that most of those without guilt or morals believe that we should send aid to the Third World, and give asylum in our country to people who seek it, and give state support to the poor? Whether these things are right or wrong, do they back up Bob's theory - are they part of some plot to undermine society - or not?”

-For a reason for giving asylum to far too many see mikebarnes post in which mikebarnes wrote: "Cultural Marxism . .. Anti culture is its correct definition. as its primary aim is the destruction of strong culture…”
- If the aim of asylum was really to give asylum, it does not follow that the only possible place they could possibly relocate to is here. Eg we could pay for them to live in another part of the world if we really insisted that it was our duty to relocate them. Surely in a continent a hundred times the size of ours there is some place we could move them to?

-For the state supporting the poor see George Ralph’s post below 23 Aug: “…We now have a massive army of single mothers who cost a fortune to maintain, pumping out children with no family stability who they are far too often powerless to control…More is coming and it will get much worse.”

- for those who think the underclass are basically the same as everyone else there is nothing to worry about.

Re the aid industry – this exists so the Left, who run these sorts of organisations, can spend billions on things they like to spend money on. True, they have to do some genuine good work, just as anti-education teachers have to teach the children something. When Labour Overseas Development Minister said on TV when asked why aid was not given as food and medicine supervised, rather than as money which can be spent corruptly, she replied ‘that would be patronising’. That attitude shows the real aim is not to help the poor, as if it were, the Left would distribute the food as suggested by the interviewer’s question.

If the aid industry is not run by the Left, why do you think they told Cameron he has to ring fence it? Cameron knows how the BBC would respond if he broke his promise to the Left on this. I know of a secretary on £2000 a week working in aid. Like academia and local councils it is the Left channelling public money to their own types.

“Posted by: Joshua Wooderson | 24 August 2011 at 01:25 PMI don't know of anyone who supports Mugabe, but I suppose there must be some.”
- The pressure put on Ian Smith to go was immeasurably greater than that put on Mugabe to go. Eg a continuous stream of news items and documentaries on TV, campaigning by the World Council of Churches, and economic sanctions against the country, and they were even banned from the Olympic games.

Joshua Wooderson “Does anyone *wish* to promote cannabis use among the young, as opposed to simply thinking that cannabis should be legalised, on grounds of liberty, crime prevention, or whatever. (Again, perhaps there are some - but not many, I'd have thought).”
- I accept that some might want to increase liberty. The types who think children should be free to play in the road if they wish. But no-one believes your false motive of ‘reducing crime’. (The one that the BBC uses as they do not like the personal liberty angle)

Ian Vallance 23 Aug “But I dont share all of your views e.g. on Cannabis, hope that doesnt mean I'm a bad person, a closet lefty?”
See reply to Joshua Wooderson. Others (not yourself) who are not on the left and who favour cannabis use include some who are addicts themselves and feel that more victims would make their condition more normal and acceptable. This is very selfish. Just as some smokers try and tempt other smokers who give up to start again. Others on the true Left, such as many in the BBC, support cannabis legalisation because they get satisfaction for spreading problems, discord, crime and misery in our society.

Thanks for those kind words. Sadly, my 'little belter' was shortly followed by three mighty episodes on the usual subject from Bob's your uncle... how he finds the time to study the nation's wiring is really quite amazing.

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