Conclusion
Results suggest that smoke-free laws did not have an adverse economic impact on restaurants or bars in any of the states studied; they provided a
small economic benefit in 1 state. On the basis of these findings, we would not expect a statewide smoke-free law in Alabama, Indiana, Kentucky,
Missouri, Mississippi, South Carolina, Texas, or West Virginia to have an adverse economic impact on restaurants or bars in those states.

Yeah, go ahead and tell that to my greatgrandmother that suffered years on oxygen and nebulizers because of her emphysema from smoking that killed her
in the end... Or my grandfather that lied in a hopsital bed on a respirator with failing lungs and leukemia before his untimely and painful death...
Oh wait, you can't.

I'd say just using logic that for the case of my great grandmother at least, it was the smoking. She'd smoked like a chimney earlier in life and it
caught up with her. There were no other airborne reasons for her to produce emphysema. There was no radon in her basement or other toxins. I'd assume
this because her daughter still lives in that house and has for almost seventy years and has not shown any problems with her lungs thus far at all. If
it were another environmental factor within the house, then she would have problems with her lungs as well. Smoking is also the most common cause for
COPD so I'm just going to have to go with occam's razor on this one.

Cigarettes can't actually cause an allergic reaction, since they lack any allergenic proteins that would trigger your immune system. However, that's
not to say that cigarettes can't cause allergy-like symptoms. In fact, the irritants in cigarettes and cigarette smoke can cause symptoms that appear
very similar to those of allergic rhinitis. If you're sensitive, you may end up with a runny nose, watery eyes, coughing, sneezing and trouble
breathing, much as you would if you were allergic to dust and breathed it in. People can suffer allergic reactions to tobacco leaves and plants
themselves, but these allergies are rare. When you burn tobacco in a cigarette, the chances of such an allergy affecting you are pretty much zero.

When these people see the welt, they believe the technologist and they believe that they have to avoid tobacco smoke.

The facts are the facts here - nobody is transplanting "tar-encrusted" lungs into patients and further nobody can actually breathe if their lungs
were encrusted with tar. it would prevent the transportation of oxygen into the lungs and carbon dioxide away from the lungs.

You were scammed, my friend, you were treated like a 5 year old and scared straight by some ugly pictures.
Tired of Control Freaks

Might I suggest at this point - that you smoke more (with those that don't mind) - it may help with the paranoia.

So - all allergy testing is bogus.

All rules protecting the rights of other are bogus.

Anyone who disagrees with you is - well bogus.

And anyone who you don't think is a scientist is bogus as well.

Any scienticfic study or studies that don't agree with your Personal Agenda is bogus.

And you are afraid of dying in the cold jonesing for a smoke because the people who live with you don't want to put up with your personal
pollution.

Yeah. I know I don't want to go into a restaurant or bar smelling all of the smoke all evening knowing what I'm inhaling. I think there should be
places where smokers can still go though and non smokers are not welcome (or go at their own risk) though. Places like that would be okay, but family
restaurants and locations such as that should have absolutely no cigarettes allowed.

I remember back whenever Pizza Hut had the smoking non smoking wall... As if that kept the smokers' smoke out of my lungs magically. -.-

2001 - 887 million
2003 - 904 million
2003 - 939 million
2004 - 1,147million
2005 - 1,197 million (increase of about 50 million from 2004)
2006 - 1,307 million (increase of about 110 million from 2005 but reflects only half year of smoking ban)
2007 - 1,374 million (increase of 177 million from 2005)

I don't want to include the 2008 and further because we both know the economy tanked in 2008 in Ontario. The government redid the entire budge
halfway through the year.

But you can clearly see the jump that occurred because of the ban - I included the prior data to demonstrate what the increases were from year to
year.

Yes - the entire anti-smoker movement has had a field day for 6o years and have seriously harmed smokers.

I have found my voice and I am speaking up. What you think a dozen posts talking from the pro-smoking side over the last 6 years are too much?

I think what smokers have been flooded with are too much. And I do believe, since I see pro-smoking groups springing up all over the place that other
smokers have found their voice as well.

Unless you can come up with a good reason why smokers should not have 4 walls and a roof and why smokers should not be allowed separate venues from
non-smokers, I suggest that it the smokers turn to talk.

Alpha-1 antitrypsin deficiency occurs worldwide, but its prevalence varies by population. This disorder affects about 1 in 1,500 to 3,500 individuals
with European ancestry. It is uncommon in people of Asian descent. Many individuals with alpha-1 antitrypsin deficiency are likely undiagnosed,
particularly people with a lung condition called chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD). COPD can be caused by alpha-1 antitrypsin deficiency;
however, the alpha-1 antitrypsin deficiency is often never diagnosed. Some people with alpha-1 antitrypsin deficiency are misdiagnosed with asthma.

Occam's razor is a very good test but only when ALL the facts are known

When smoking was blamed for emphysema, scientists had not yet discovered Alpha-1 antitrypsis deficiency.

I am sorry for the loss of your loved one. Leukemia is not one of the diseases associated with smoking. And you clearly don't know what caused your
grandmothers emphysema.

Its not fair to make smokers personally responsible for the loss of loved ones unless you have definitive proof of that. To date - although
anti-smokers have used epidimiology (statistics) to associate smoking with lots of diseases - science has not been able to confirm that smoking is the
cause of anything.

There is a long list of diseases that were said to be "caused" by smoking that, later, in fact were found to be caused by something else.

epidimiology is a soft science of statistics. It can find associations but correlation is not causation.

There is not one single disease that smokers get that non-smokers don't get as well.

Could you possibly be any more repugnant? In the last thread I clearly showed how there are more healthy alternatives that provide that same
protective effects. You kept mentioning smoking, then saying it wasn't about smoking. Now a couple weeks later here you are conflating the positive
effects of low dose nicotine with smoking cigarettes. They're not the same. This is a highly illogical stance. The positive effect is with nicotine,
and with the correct dose. It has nothing to do with smoking.

Now, you can keep to your bizarre justifications of something that is painfully obvious to be seen as a net loss, in the red, and without any health
benefits in and of itself. Smoking does nobody any good. You're filling your lungs with smoke, then making retarded reasoning to try and back it up.
It's just so disgusting to witness!

You want neuroprotective benefits? Choose one of the dozen other stimulants out there which help. Drink some freakin tea! It has more than one
mechanism involved. Don't shove smoke into your lungs, then use poor reasoning filled with fallacies, and make thread after thread arguing the same
points from slightly different angles. Now are you going to try and lie to me again and say this thread isn't about smoking?

originally posted by: TiredofControlFreaks
2001 - 887 million
2003 - 904 million
2003 - 939 million
2004 - 1,147million
2005 - 1,197 million (increase of about 50 million from 2004)
2006 - 1,307 million (increase of about 110 million from 2005 but reflects only half year of smoking ban)
2007 - 1,374 million (increase of 177 million from 2005)

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