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If you shoved 77 and had 8 callers with random hands you would win about 14.8% of the time

#3

21st January 2010, 1:14 PM

froghump [41]

thanks, but do you know the odds of it being the best hand preflop in that situation. or is that the same thing as saying 77 is the best hand preflop, 9 handed, 14% of the time?

because i feel like it would be more than that, considering that most of the time i dont think people usually have a higher pocket pair, and AK is still an underdog.

thank u for the site thought i will check it out.

#4

21st January 2010, 3:47 PM

D'wilius [7,519]

re: Poker & Does anyone know the odds of 77 being the best hand at a 9 handed table?

From the FullTilt Academy, to find the % chance that remaining players have a higher pair than you...

Gordon Pair Principle.

-Count the cards higher than your pair.-Count the number of players left to act-Multiply these numbers and divide by two.

...so, before any action 77 has 7 higher cards, times eight left to act, divided by two equals ~28% chance there is a higher pair out, answer ~72%. Of course, high card hands that are flipping with you are common.

#5

21st January 2010, 5:36 PM

Kasanova King [798]

Poker at: UB

Game: NLHE,Omaha

Quote:

Originally Posted by D'wilius

From the FullTilt Academy, to find the % chance that remaining players have a higher pair than you...

Gordon Pair Principle.

-Count the cards higher than your pair.-Count the number of players left to act-Multiply these numbers and divide by two.

...so, before any action 77 has 7 higher cards, times eight left to act, divided by two equals ~28% chance there is a higher pair out, answer ~72%. Of course, high card hands that are flipping with you are common.

Interesting, never heard of that before...what if people have already acted before you, with a raise, etc?

#6

24th January 2010, 2:45 PM

Stu_Ungar [6,237]

Game: NL Holdem

I think you are attacking the problem from the wrong angle.

Look at the fold to 3-bet stat of the villians left to act.

Assume that they will only continue with JJ+ AQs+ KQs AKo

Against that range you have 35% equity. So if your 3-bet represents less than 30% of your stack you are not committed and therefore not getting correct drawiong odds.

Since you will be essentaially bluffing preflop your 3-bet will need to work about 70% of the time so a single player with a fold to 3-bet of 70% will work.

Two players would need a combined FT3B of 70% or about 85% each. 3 villians would each need a FT3B of about 90% and so on.

So you can 3-bet your 77 provided players are likely to fold. Then depending on stack sizes (you would need to be SS) you might be getting correct odds to call a shove.

The problem with looking at the proble the way you are is that you cannot just put your opponents on PP preflop so postflop you wont know if they have a lower PP or High cards that have connected.

#7

24th January 2010, 2:46 PM

Stu_Ungar [6,237]

Game: NL Holdem

Quote:

Originally Posted by stubzy11

Download this.
http://www.pokerstove.com/

Answer to your question from pokerstove...

If you shoved 77 and had 8 callers with random hands you would win about 14.8% of the time

They wont call with random hands.. assign them some sort of logical range

#8

24th January 2010, 3:03 PM

cardplayer52 [1,195]

Online Poker at: full tilt

Game: holdem

re: Poker & Does anyone know the odds of 77 being the best hand at a 9 handed table?

well there are exactly 50 hands out of the 1225 hand that are left that beats pocket 7's. That is pocket pairs AA-88, QTs and JTs all are ahead of 77(if you are to go to showdown). So what are the chances of someone holding a better hand than yours about 4% x (the # of players left to act)=% of time your 77 is not best.