Re: Need tutorials of VB6

From: "Littlefield, Tyler" <tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>

To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 17:18:11 -0600

You'd have to write the protocols yourself, or find libraries that
implement them. How do you think those protocols got written for skype
in the firstplace? Some tech had to be bored out of his mind reading
rfcs and writing the protocol somewhere.

On 7/22/2011 3:57 PM, Katherine Moss wrote:

I know this, but the .net framework offers no classes for the protocols STUN,
RTP, or SIP, I don't think. Does it? And the problem, most CIP software seems
to require a softphone and a number to connect to it rather than being based on
user name/ID and password to talk or IM with it. I'd have to first extend the
.net framework, right?
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From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Christopher Coale
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 5:22 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Need tutorials of VB6
There's no reason you can't. ;)
On 7/22/2011 2:18 PM, Katherine Moss wrote:

I was thinking more like a Skype-ish clone. Something like that but with an
open protocol.
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From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Christopher Coale
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 5:16 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Need tutorials of VB6
That's something that can very easily be written using .NET. In fact, a close
friend of mine created a whiteboard sharing application not too long ago using
C#.
You might not necessarily hit a wall that says it can't be done, but you will definitely
hit a wall that says "this seems too complicated to do in this language." If
that's the case, you choose a more suitable language.
On 7/22/2011 2:13 PM, Katherine Moss wrote:

I think that my concern at the moment is limits. If I work most of my
programming (for I never want to program to make money, that's the
administrator in me), will I eventually hit a wall and find that I want to do
something but can't? Like for instance, who's ever seen a web conferencing
software written based off the .net framework?
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From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of qubit
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 4:55 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Need tutorials of VB6
It's interesting C++ is marginalized as a low level language because it
inherited from C the support for such things as register declarations and
pointers that can go out of bounds (which can be useful in some contexts) and
even asm for getting directly to the assembly level.
But it is a also full of all the elaborate high level constructs that get messy
for those who mix the high and low level stuff without knowing what they are
doing.
I don't know about anyone else, but I'm glad there have been spinoff languages
that cater to different types of applications.
Getting everyone to learn a single unified standard would be difficult and
perhaps wouldn't work.
I say that because you don't know what future technologies will come along and
put pressure on the language lawyers to add new features to the super language,
and perhaps some of these would clash -- or and mess up the definition and
implementation of the super language.
I speak from experience as I worked as a compiler and tool developer for C++
during the years C++ was evolving. The language kept changing so we had to
take a messy prototype from research and scramble to make modifications in
design to fix inevitable bugs. It was interesting work that I felt privileged
to do, but That was a long time ago, and things have moved on.
I am using java lately, and indeed it is a different paradigm from C++.
So my vote is to keep the languages separate.
Happy hacking.
--le
----- Original Message -----
From: "Katherine Moss"<Katherine.Moss@xxxxxxxxxx>
To:<programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 3:20 PM
Subject: RE: Need tutorials of VB6
You see, that's what I don't get. If they say (Microsoft, and
others), that C# is just as capable as C++ for the lower level stuff
if you learn the unsafe code marking technique in it, then why
doesn't C# support all things like MAPI, lower-level device drivers,
IIS ISAPI filters and extensions, and all other things that it is
clearly stated require C++? I mean, if we have Microsoft and other
C# sites telling us that C# can do the same things, it just seems a
bit silly to have requirements in another language for some things, right?
-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Littlefield, Tyler
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 4:11 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Need tutorials of VB6
c++ is great for lower level. And if you -need- to make calls to
c++ win32
(which everything just sort of wraps around anyway), you can use
pinvoke
(pinvoke.net)
On 7/22/2011 1:45 PM, Katherine Moss wrote:

I think it's just my feeling that the CLR has been around long
enough that it should be ahead of everything else in the Windows OS
and environment, and that lower-level languages like C++ should not
have to be a requirement for certain things. Take MAPI, for
instance. I was reading something about that as I was briefly
interested in trying to help when I get good enough on the existing
projects there to make open source Outlook Extensions to make it's
groupware features not be reliant upon Exchange server to make them
work. Take HMailServer for instance. The source is no longer open
(though the program is still free thankfully for whatever reason),
but add-ins are aloud, so why not give it some groupware abilities
and have it be another alternative to Exchange server's masivity?
But my point is here that if microsoft seems to be pushing .net,
then why are they still requiring certain languages for certain
things? You see, this is one of the hopeful things I want to see
with Windows 8, that .net and Win32 will be peers rather than
separate entities in which they can only cooperate using interop.
And talk about interop, Microsoft had intentionally made MAPI unsupportive of
interop. Why, I wonder?
Sounds like a nasty marketing tactic. I can't prove that, but that was more of
an inferred thing when reading about it.
-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Littlefield, Tyler
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 3:16 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Need tutorials of VB6
You've explained what enhancement (since there is only 1) in terms
of memory management, but you were throwing around "benafits of the CLR,"
when we were talking about native c++, and thus the CLR wouldn't
really matter there. Oppinions are nice, but what you give generally
is misguided information because you've developed some overbearing
urge toward .net without any actual reasoning behind it beyond "x
says it's awesome, it must be awesome."
On 7/22/2011 9:18 AM, Katherine Moss wrote:

In terms of facts though, I mean, what facts? Is not programming,
which language is better, which language offers enhancements for
which user, isn't that always going to be an opinion? I mean, I've
been asked before to state facts regarding the .net framework's
superiority over other programming models. How in the world am I
supposed to do that if the only real stuff out there saying that it's better
are opinions anyway?
So anything I state that's better than other models, isn't that an
opinion? And just restating what Microsoft has to say regarding
their own technology, that's kind of counterproductive, isn't it?
-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ken
Perry
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 11:15 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Need tutorials of VB6
I know it's hard to say anything sometimes but say it anyway and
just ignore the rif raf.
Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Katherine Moss
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 10:19 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Need tutorials of VB6
I was going to say that too, but my presence tends to poison the
network, so I didn't say anything LOL.
-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Littlefield, Tyler
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 9:55 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Need tutorials of VB6
I recommend you don't learn vb6 if this is your first language, but
learn something that will help you and is more up-to-date. like vb.net.
On 7/22/2011 7:42 AM, Chetan Sharma wrote:

Hello Friends,
I'm learning Visual Basic 6, There are number of tutorials
available on the Internet, it is hard for me to choose good one.
Can you help me to find good one?
Because, there are many VB experts on the list and they know which
one is better.
With regards,