Grand_Moff_Joseph:Every time they do that in mass, I'm reminded of Matthew 6:5, where Jesus reminds us not to call attention to ourselves when we pray, but rather to pray in silence, in our rooms. Chanting "it's all my fault" while beating your chest seems to go against that idea.

To be fair, though, this one isn't limited to Catholics & Protestants. Funny story - I attended a Baptist service a while back in which the preacher was teaching about prayer, using the passage on the Model Prayer ("Our Father, who art in Heaven, ... " often mistakenly called the Lord's Prayer, but that's a lesson for another thread). During the sermon, he specifically mentioned that passage about praying with vain repetitions. So, when it was time for the offering, the guy who was saying the prayer started out with "I think it would be appropriate today if you all join me in reciting the Lord's Prayer..."

Grand_Moff_Joseph:Last time I checked, Jesus made no such distinctions in his ministry.

Soon I discovered that this rock thing was true. Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil. Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a profit. All of a sudden I found myself in love with the World, so there was only one thing I could do: Was ding-a-dang-dong my dang-a-long-ling-long.

Somewhat. Last Decenber, they changed the wording to reflect language that is reminiscent of pre-Vatican II ("through my fault, through my fault, through my grievious fault" among others). I'm surprised they haven't added back The Last Gospel.

So many people were saying "And also with you" when it was "And with your spirit" that I was saying "mana mana".

Grand_Moff_Joseph:Well, it's well known that Darth/Pope Palpatine hated everything about Vatican II, and thought JP2 was a sellout in that regard. So, a push to revert to "old ways" would not surprise some out there.

Benedict XVI is angling to become the greatest Pope of the 15th Century.

Grand_Moff_Joseph:Every time they do that in mass, I'm reminded of Matthew 6:5, where Jesus reminds us not to call attention to ourselves when we pray, but rather to pray in silence, in our rooms. Chanting "it's all my fault" while beating your chest seems to go against that idea.

I also took note of this other change: "and on earth, peace to people of good will", instead of "peace to all people on earth". Wishing peace to "those of good will" naturally implies that there are some who are not deserving of said wish for peace. Last time I checked, Jesus made no such distinctions in his ministry.

So what you're saying is that the Quakers got it right. They'd probably have a higher membership turnout if they let their congregants listen to music.

I had to sit through a Catholic mass and baptism this past weekend. As someone who was raised Catholic (but ceased going many a year ago) I don't remember it being that preachy. Must have been my willful ignorance as a kid, but they nailed all the big talking points. Abortion, sanctity of marriage, chastity, divorce, etc.

OtherLittleGuy:Somewhat. Last Decenber, they changed the wording to reflect language that is reminiscent of pre-Vatican II ("through my fault, through my fault, through my grievious fault" among others).

Every time they do that in mass, I'm reminded of Matthew 6:5, where Jesus reminds us not to call attention to ourselves when we pray, but rather to pray in silence, in our rooms. Chanting "it's all my fault" while beating your chest seems to go against that idea.

I also took note of this other change: "and on earth, peace to people of good will", instead of "peace to all people on earth". Wishing peace to "those of good will" naturally implies that there are some who are not deserving of said wish for peace. Last time I checked, Jesus made no such distinctions in his ministry.