Glenn Beck talks with Chuck Norris

GLENN: We have Chuck Norris on the phone? I just want him to karate chop, just a real nasty karate chop. You know what I mean? Hey, Chuck, how are you?

NORRIS: I’m doing good, Glenn, thanks.

GLENN: Chuck’s the author of Black Belt Patriotism: How to Reawaken America. Chuck, you know what? I was talking about General Petraeus the other day. I mean this sincerely: I would love to have General Petraeus go up to Washington and clean that hornet’s nest out. I’d like him to set up a military tribunal and call them in one by one, okay, going to have a little interview with you. Find out if they’re guilty or innocent of being involved in, you know, all kinds of the scandals that are going on and kick them out.

NORRIS: I want to go with General Petraeus myself and be next to him and when he finds out who’s guilty and, you know, dishonest, then I will take care of it for him. Took him out. I’ll choke them out, the ones that he finds dishonest, I will choke them out and stick them into a pile.

GLENN: Do you ever watch 24?

NORRIS: I’m sorry?

GLENN: Do you ever watch the TV show 24?

NORRIS: No, I don’t.

GLENN: Jack Bauer last night, he choked somebody out. Is that hard to do without killing them?

NORRIS: Yeah, you stop after 8 seconds. It takes 8 seconds for them to go unconscious.

GLENN: And then they —

NORRIS: They are always saying — you know, since Jack Bauer, since I’m off the Walker series, everyone says, would Walker have a chance against Jack Bauer? I said Jack Bauer would last 5 seconds against Walker.

GLENN: Wow. But could you know which wire to cut if it was a nuke? Come on, Walker, come on, buddy.

NORRIS: I have good instincts, Glenn. My gut reaction will tell me which one to cut. That happens to Bauer, he doesn’t know, either.

GLENN: If we’re both sitting there and there’s a nuke and you’ve got the red wire and the green wire and we’re both sweating and you’re like, I don’t know, I’m going to go with my instinct, I think I’d like a little bit more.

NORRIS: Hey, actually I did a movie like that called President’s Man. Listen to this. No one knows about this. But in 2000 I did a movie of the week called President’s Man and what I do as President’s Man, when the FBI and the CIA can’t take care of a situation for the president, I come in and take care of it for him. And so we did one. It was so successful that CBS wanted me to do another one. So I started thinking about a story for another movie and I was talking to Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison and I said, Kay, I said, what is the greatest threat we have in America? And she says, our greatest fear is Osama Bin Laden’s going to sneak a nuclear device into our country. And I said, oh, really? So I got my writers together. We wrote a story about Osama Bin Laden sneaking a nuclear device into America and hiding it actually in Chicago, which we didn’t know at the time, and he calls the president and says, "I want you to release my holy warriors from the 1993 bombing or I’m going to explode this nuclear device in your country." So I get called in —

GLENN: Wait, wait, this is in 2000 you did this?

NORRIS: Yeah, this is in 2000. So anyway, I go to Afghanistan, I kidnap Osama Bin Laden, and I bring him back to the United States for trial. Then during that time — and then the attorney general’s a Muslim as well, Osama, and they get into a debate about the interpretation of the Qur’an and the, you know, the attorney general says the Qur’an talks about tolerance, you know, not war.

GLENN: Did you make this movie?

NORRIS: Oh, yeah. Anyway, so I do the movie, I finally find the nuclear weapon, disarm it at the last minute like Jack Bauer did. I was trying to find the right wire to cut down to two seconds. Anyway, we deliver this movie to CBS on September 7th, 2001.

GLENN: Holy cow.

NORRIS: Then four days later, of course, 9/11 hits. So now CBS doesn’t know what to do. You know, the name of it was called Ground Zero was the name of the movie.

GLENN: Has it ever been seen?

NORRIS: No.

GLENN: Do you own it?

NORRIS: CBS got so scared of it, they said, well, we can’t release this. You know, it’s too prophetic. I said, please, if you are going to release it, if you are ever going to release it, you have to release it now. If you release it at a later date, everyone will think I did a rip-off of 9/11. And they said, oh, we can’t do that, you can’t do that. So —

GLENN: Do you own the movie, Chuck, or do you own it?

NORRIS: I own it.

GLENN: I’d love to see it sometime.

NORRIS: I’ll send it to you.

GLENN: We should have a showing of it or something. That’s fantastic.

NORRIS: Yeah, I’ll send it to your show. It really was very prophetic. But, you know, it just hit too close. And so we changed it to A Line in the Sand, from Ground Zero to A Line in the Sand.

GLENN: Holy cow, that’s amazing.

NORRIS: But the reason why I wrote my book, too, Glenn actually, it was from watching your show for forever and just listening to the things that are going on. I’m thinking, "Well, what can I do." And I just started researching and I thought, you know, I’m going to talk about the eight problems we have, you know, how we’ve drifted from the principles and beliefs that our country was founded upon. You know, our out-of-control debt, how the government has failed to enforce our nation’s borders and illegal immigration and how we’ve lost our moral compass and the devaluation of life, the failing number of children, the dissolution of the family and America’s apathy, physically, mentally and spiritually. So that’s really what my book’s all about is chapters about all the problems we have. And then I give my own common sense solutions to the problems that I arise in the book. And, you know, and the thing is I’m like you, Glenn. I’m a concerned citizen, I’m a father and a grandfather, and I’m just extremely worried about the future of our country for our kids and our grandkids.

GLENN: Chuck, you live in Texas.

NORRIS: Yes, I do.

GLENN: Somebody asked me this morning, they said, you really believe that there’s going to be trouble in the future. And I said, if this country starts to spiral out of control and, you know, and Mexico melts down or whatever, if it really starts to spiral out of control, before America allows a country to become a totalitarian country, which it would have under I think the Republicans as well in this situation; they were taking us to the same place, just slower.

NORRIS: It was slower, yeah.

GLENN: Americans will, they just, they won’t stand for it. There will be parts of the country that will rise up. And they said, where’s that going to come from? And I said Texas, it’s going to come from Texas. Do you agree with that, Chuck, or not?

NORRIS: Oh, yeah. You know, Texas is a republic, you know. We could actually —

GLENN: It was a country before it was a state.

NORRIS: Yeah, we could break off from the union if we wanted to.

GLENN: You do, you call me.

NORRIS: Oh, yeah.

GLENN: Seriously, you do. I don’t mind having that lone star on my flag. I really don’t mind it. I’ve been out with a seam ripper looking at my flag going, I don’t know, California could go. I’m just saying —

NORRIS: I may run for president of Texas. (Laughing).

GLENN: All right. Hey, Chuck, I just wanted to touch base with you, too, on one other thing. Are you having a bunch of friends over to your house for the March 13th thing?

NORRIS: For the 13th, yeah. I got a whole group. A lot of the law enforcement here in the local area are going to be here and a lot of our family and friends are all going to be in our big room here to watch it. I’m dying to find out what it is, you know. I’m dying to find out what you’re going to say.

GLENN: Well —

NORRIS: But, you know, the thing is, Glenn, once we talked on your television show the other night, you know, the thing that I am most passionate about and that is our tax system. You know, with our taxes in America, with our income tax, employment tax, capital gains, estate, property, corporate, Social Security, we are being taxed to death in our country and we’ve got to —

GLENN: You haven’t seen anything yet.

NORRIS: And with these desperate times right now, we’ve got to take some positive desperate measures, and I really believe that if we could get the people behind us and say enough is enough, we need to eliminate the IRS, which is a bloated bureaucracy which has a tax code of 6,498 pages, you know, if we could eliminate that there and get a fair tax going where it’s a consumption tax, we could bring the 3 million manufacturing jobs that are being outsourced to other countries back into our economy and the $13 trillion that the super rich are hiding in offshore banks that we know of, probably much more than that, they could all come back and give our economy a big boost without worrying about the IRS.

GLENN: Chuck, you know and I —

NORRIS: This would be a great solution to the economic downturn that we have right now, Glenn.

GLENN: Look, your time is coming, Chuck, because there’s going to be two solutions that are going to be presented here and I think soon. This is not going to — this can’t last much longer. The way the rest of the world, it is going to start to come apart at its seams and then people are faced with a choice: Are they going to face it locally, are they going to become more like our founding or are we going to become a global government? Are we going to tie ourselves even more to the rest of the world? It’s only going to go one of two ways. You know, Prime Minister Blair is in town and he’s talking about a global —

NORRIS: Global, yeah.

GLENN: — new deal. It looks like the government is going to go that way. But when it starts to unravel, you know, you’re going to have a resetting, an opportunity to reset.

NORRIS: Yeah, I’ve got to tell you a story. Do you have a moment, Glenn?

GLENN: How long do I have? I’ve got about one minute. I’ve got one minute.

NORRIS: Huh?

GLENN: I’ve got one minute.

NORRIS: This is a story about a man who came to me seven years ago from Australia, a guy named Peter Daniels. And he came and visited. He’s on a tour here in the country and he came to our home. He says, "We’re going to have a global meltdown within the next few years. I have sold all my companies in Australia and I have bought a gold bank in Switzerland." And he says, I am focusing strictly on gold. And he says, I would — you know, he said I would really recommend that you consider buying into the gold bank with me because it’s going to be real bad here in the next few years. So I go to my business advisors here in Houston, Texas, and they say, "Oh, no, that’s not going to happen. You know, don’t worry about it." So I don’t do it. And now look at the situation I’m in.

GLENN: Yeah, I know. I know.

NORRIS: And again, gut feelings. Gut feelings, Glenn. If I’d have listened to my gut feeling. But, you know, you talk about the Constitution all the time on your show.

GLENN: Yes.

NORRIS: And, you know, it’s interesting because I read about John Adams, you know, who said that our Constitution was made only for a religious and moral people.

GLENN: Yes.

NORRIS: It’s

wholly inadequate for the government of any other. Now, can you see this, Glenn? You see what’s happening?

GLENN: Oh, Chuck, let me tell you something. I’ve got to run but let me tell you something. You are exactly right. The best thing that you just said was had I listened to my gut.

NORRIS: Yeah.

GLENN: When America listens to her gut and stops listening to all the experts, we’re going to be fine. Chuck Norris, we will talk to you again soon, my friend, and we’ll see you on March 13th.