My local Ram dealer was offering $10k off 2014 1500s last month. I nearly pulled the trigger on one, but I think I will hold out for the Tundra with the diesel. The power and torque numbers are pretty close to my 6.0 powerstroke, but in a truck that's 2K pounds lighter.
I think the 5.0 Cummins will turn out to be a very good motor; its already being put into busses with a single turbo setup. It will be interesting to see how well the Titan sells with the same motor in it.

So Ram/Dodge has the Cummins. Nissan and Toyota will have Cummins engines soon... It'll be interesting to see how the advertising people for each brand of truck can spin this in their ads. Maybe Cat , Detroit,Perkins [owned by Cat],Mercedes,PACCAR,Hino,etc etc. will be offered one day as options ,like on the big rigs. {Well, Cat is getting out of OTR engines. Maybe they'll offer smaller ones for pickups...}

Sadly CAT engines aren't coming back, they left in 09/10 after all the lawsuits on their engines being junk after they spent millions and millions trying to get their engines compliant with the BS emissions here...ended up just cutting their losses...which really sucks cuz I love CAT.. Like someone already mentioned, now they have their "own" trucks with a POS Navistar engine in them

btw I'm not a fan of the modern cummins anymore..the older cummins ram's were badass..and older cummins big cam semi engines were beast

I wish Toyota would put their own motor in the truck. I had a 2005 5.9, it was a good engine, tranny, front end, and wheel bearings were shit. Ive been waiting for the diesel Tundra but am going to wait until the motor is proven and see if the switch it. I aint no ginnea pig.

I can't find a place to put my review. But wanted to add my .02 and most likely get flammed. I have the new V6 in my silverado and it is very good if you're gonna tow anything under 7000lbs. I am getting better than the EPA ratings in MPGs. worth a look if toyota doesnt update their drivetrain.

I can't find a place to put my review. But wanted to add my .02 and most likely get flammed. I have the new V6 in my silverado and it is very good if you're gonna tow anything under 7000lbs. I am getting better than the EPA ratings in MPGs. worth a look if toyota doesnt update their drivetrain.

Today's V6 is more powerful than yesterday's V8. Most people just can't accept a V6 in a full size truck. But I can also see that a smaller engine doing more work doesn't get that much better MPGs though.

Today's V6 is more powerful than yesterday's V8. Most people just can't accept a V6 in a full size truck. But I can also see that a smaller engine doing more work doesn't get that much better MPGs though.

I agree, I don't tow and being rated at 7000 lbs it can pull its own weight, so its enough power for me.

Diesel, diesel, diesel. Cost more to buy, cost more to fuel up, have to add dog piss additives into a separate tank. No thanks.

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Originally Posted by Gearheadesw

Squashed the diesel movement with one sentence.

I have had more diesel vehicles than gas vehicles iin my life, and based on that real world experience with both I will never pick gas over diesel. As soon as diesel is available as an option I will not even think twice. South Africa, Europe etc. have diesels available in almost any car or truck on the market, and have a large, sometimes majority share.

now that gasoline is direct injected, variable cams, especially chevys new pushrod motors, have LOTs of off idle torque and mpgs. so with diesel supposed to be getting better gas mileage, will it be able to work back that premium? so unless you are towing a lot, regularly, I don't know how many people would truly benefit.

I mostly notice the rest of the truck falls apart before the motor fails

now that gasoline is direct injected, variable cams, especially chevys new pushrod motors, have LOTs of off idle torque and mpgs. so with diesel supposed to be getting better gas mileage, will it be able to work back that premium? so unless you are towing a lot, regularly, I don't know how many people would truly benefit.

I've noticed that GM only does pushrod V8's now. Their I4 and V6's are all DOHC now.

Toyota should offer an Ecoboost-style engine (twin-turbo, DGI, etc) for those who want a little extra hauling power while maintaining decent gas mileage. GM has followed Ford's lead and I'm sure their take on the TT/GI V6 will be offered in their truck before long. I had a car with the 3.5L EcoBoost and WOW...that was one hell of an engine, 360HP/365TQ stock and it was putting out around 400HP/440TQ with a $500 ECU tune (some guys were over 600HP with bolt-ons and stock internals).

In my opinion, if they're going to end up developing their own diesel, they should also develop a diesel hybrid. Porsche was running tanks with hybrid diesel-electic gear in WWII. I think the concept would work great for trucks.

Diesel, diesel, diesel. Cost more to buy, cost more to fuel up, have to add dog piss additives into a separate tank. No thanks.

Some people like/need diesels for their extra towing capacity and long-life. No one said they were cheaper.

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Originally Posted by tacotundra

toyota has LOST IT.. Cum a part... are you serious?

They have HINO wtf... they own part of isuzu... there are much better engines out there besides a POS cummings.... I drive class 8 trucks for a living our truck is always in the shop guess what it is cummings think about it...

Said part of cummings parts are made in CHINA... good luck toyota...

Edit if this is true then toyota has folded like NISSAN did....

Calm down there, junior. Most Class 8 trucks are always in the shop. Sounds like you should've bought a glider kit. Even then, guess what? It will have issues regardless.

Imo, they should've gone with a I6 Cummins similar to what's in the Rams.