This is a helpful chart to have available. I'd like to see it include PHEV all-electric-range as well. That way for people who are mulling their options for a daily commuter, they can see which vehicles fall into their range needs.

I'd also like to see it represented with a bar-graph, to make comparisons between the different cars more easily. And what would be more interesting is to have the EPA range in one shade, but change the color to branch all the way out to the max range achievable, as well as another color showing the worst-case-scenario range.

I'd be happy to create it myself, but I'm not entirely sure of some of the numbers for best/worst case scenario on some of the cars.

The LEAF's EPA range number is only 75 miles is because they are averaging the range at 80% SOC and 100% SOC. How is that for confusing potential EV buyers? They are doing that for LEAF and Tesla because they both offer long life modes. I disagree with EPA's logic. It would make much more sense for them to publish the 100% range. If someone wants to know how far they would go on 80% just calculate it. Now the range numbers are going to be apples and oranges when customers try to compare.

I calculate the 100% range to be 83 miles (75/0.90). Nissan says it is 84 miles.

kovalb wrote:The LEAF's EPA range number is only 75 miles is because they are averaging the range at 80% SOC and 100% SOC. How is that for confusing potential EV buyers? They are doing that for LEAF and Tesla because they both offer long life modes. I disagree with EPA's logic. It would make much more sense for them to publish the 100% range. If someone wants to know how far they would go on 80% just calculate it. Now the range numbers are going to be apples and oranges when customers try to compare.

I calculate the 100% range to be 83 miles (75/0.90). Nissan says it is 84 miles.

All year LEAFs can absolutely go 84 miles, and if the EPA only wants one number, that should be it. Nobody is charging to 90%, so why we would want 90% data is beyond me (the 75 EPA miles being the average between 80% and 100% five cycle performance).

Having said that, there's little likelihood that the typical 3 year lease LEAF will have 84 miles of range in a five cycle test. Of all the cars, non-climate controlled Li battery cars are less likely to maintain capacity over the temperature extremes seen here in the USA.

adric22 wrote:Here's a chart like I was thinking.. I could fill this chart in and revise it more if people like it. The Leaf is an example where I could show minimum guaranteed range, EPA range, and maximum range.

There really isn't a minimum gauranteed range. If you switch on the heater and let it sit, the range is zero

Here is what I'd like EPA / Manufacturer to publish. 9 numbers in all.

adric22 wrote:Here's a chart like I was thinking.. I could fill this chart in and revise it more if people like it. The Leaf is an example where I could show minimum guaranteed range, EPA range, and maximum range.

There really isn't a minimum gauranteed range. If you switch on the heater and let it sit, the range is zero

Here is what I'd like EPA / Manufacturer to publish. 9 numbers in all.