Abstract An improved procedure for determination of the residual DPPH (1,1-diphenyl-2-picrylhydrazyl) free radical concentration was proposed taking into account the absorbance of both DPPH free radicals and DPPH nonradical (1,1-diphenyl-2-picrylhydrazine) stable form. The calculated residual DPPH free radical concentrations were compared with those obtained from a calibration curve and variation coefficients below 10 % were found.

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On May 3, 3:12 am, JetsLife <JetsL...@aol.com> wrote:> I have my concerns. History will be the judge.>> Per the Obama Administration's private thinking: I see Israel> attacking Iran. Then Iran draws in the US. Then Obama has cover.

Who is Obama covering? I mean he is tall but how is his back peddleand what were his shuttle times?

>I have my concerns. History will be the judge.>>Per the Obama Administration's private thinking: I see Israel>attacking Iran. Then Iran draws in the US. Then Obama has cover.

Please elaborate on said *private thinking.*

Don't worry, JL... we're not going to attack Iran, unless they attack Israel.Kinda like a NATO agreement we have with Israel.And as long as we're addicted to their oil teet, we're going to continue *hangin' out* inthat region.I know many hate Carter, but had Reagan not stopped Carter's plan to get the US energyindependent by 2000, would be a different world. Iraq never would've happened... and Iranwouldn't be as powerful, since Iraq always kept Iran in check. Once Bush attacked Iraq,Iran became the big power in the region.What Israel does... who knows... but Israel won't attack the Iran nuclear facilities,unless they KNOW they can really destroy them. And at this point, from what I've read,Iran has put them so deep underground, any attack wouldn't work.Besides, Israel will be too busy, as it looks like Iran & Syria are moving to provokeIsrael into some kind of war this summer... they're sending tons of long-range arms toHezbollah. Read about it: http://bit.ly/bDjvMY

>>I pray it doesn't happen. I pray we bring all of our boys and girls>home ASAP from that barbaric region. Let them destroy themselves.>>>

== 5 of 10 ==Date: Mon, May 3 2010 9:04 am From: Michael

On May 3, 7:10 am, "Remy McSwain" <Paradis70...@gmail.com> wrote:> Innews:46751e18-8a42-4071-82ee-719bab23d754@d39g2000yqa.googlegroups.com,>> JetsLife <JetsL...@aol.com> wrote:> > I have my concerns. History will be the judge.>> > Per the Obama Administration's private thinking: I see Israel> > attacking Iran. Then Iran draws in the US. Then Obama has> > cover.>> > I pray it doesn't happen. I pray we bring all of our boys and> > girls home ASAP from that barbaric region. Let them destroy> > themselves.>> As we've seen, leave them to their own devicess, and they destroy> us.

As we've seen....

Pursue short sighted foreign policy, give weapons and aid to "theenemy of my enemy", support brutal dictatorships to scratch the itchof the moment, support corrupt and self serving monarchies for oil,star wars on a trumped up pretext, step on toes and stick our fingersin other peoples eyes and pies gives them reason to want to...

destroy us.

I suppose you can always piss out that old canard about "them" wantingto destroy us because of our freedoms.

== 6 of 10 ==Date: Mon, May 3 2010 9:34 am From: Michael

On May 3, 11:48 am, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:> On Mon, 3 May 2010 00:12:37 -0700 (PDT), JetsLife <JetsL...@aol.com> wrote:> >I have my concerns. History will be the judge.>> >Per the Obama Administration's private thinking: I see Israel> >attacking Iran. Then Iran draws in the US. Then Obama has cover.>> Please elaborate on said *private thinking.*>> Don't worry, JL... we're not going to attack Iran, unless they attack Israel.> Kinda like a NATO agreement we have with Israel.> And as long as we're addicted to their oil teet, we're going to continue *hangin' out* in> that region.> I know many hate Carter, but had Reagan not stopped Carter's plan to get the US energy> independent by 2000, would be a different world. Iraq never would've happened... and Iran> wouldn't be as powerful, since Iraq always kept Iran in check. Once Bush attacked Iraq,> Iran became the big power in the region.> What Israel does... who knows... but Israel won't attack the Iran nuclear facilities,> unless they KNOW they can really destroy them. And at this point, from what I've read,> Iran has put them so deep underground, any attack wouldn't work.> Besides, Israel will be too busy, as it looks like Iran & Syria are moving to provoke> Israel into some kind of war this summer... they're sending tons of long-range arms to> Hezbollah. Read about it:http://bit.ly/bDjvMY>>>>>> >I pray it doesn't happen. I pray we bring all of our boys and girls> >home ASAP from that barbaric region. Let them destroy themselves.- Hide quoted text ->> - Show quoted text -

That report is not very impressive. I want to know what kind of"rockets" and "missiles" they are "piling up" there. More glorifiedbottle rockets for another politcal pissing match, or do they havesome real hardware over there now ???

== 7 of 10 ==Date: Mon, May 3 2010 10:56 am From: Johnctx

buRford wrote:> On Mon, 3 May 2010 00:12:37 -0700 (PDT), JetsLife <JetsLife@aol.com> wrote:> >> I have my concerns. History will be the judge.>>>> Per the Obama Administration's private thinking: I see Israel>> attacking Iran. Then Iran draws in the US. Then Obama has cover.> > Please elaborate on said *private thinking.*> > Don't worry, JL... we're not going to attack Iran, unless they attack Israel.> Kinda like a NATO agreement we have with Israel.> And as long as we're addicted to their oil teet, we're going to continue *hangin' out* in> that region.> I know many hate Carter, but had Reagan not stopped Carter's plan to get the US energy> independent by 2000, would be a different world.

You are dreaming. Carter's plan was unsustainable with $9 barrel. He wanted to use a carrot & not a stick. Most humans are wasteful and Americans are no better.

If we elected Anderson there was a chance. It was more stick.

== 8 of 10 ==Date: Mon, May 3 2010 11:49 am From: Michael

On May 3, 1:56 pm, Johnctx <j...@spamtx.net> wrote:> buRford wrote:> > On Mon, 3 May 2010 00:12:37 -0700 (PDT), JetsLife <JetsL...@aol.com> wrote:>> >> I have my concerns. History will be the judge.>> >> Per the Obama Administration's private thinking: I see Israel> >> attacking Iran. Then Iran draws in the US. Then Obama has cover.>> > Please elaborate on said *private thinking.*>> > Don't worry, JL... we're not going to attack Iran, unless they attack Israel.> > Kinda like a NATO agreement we have with Israel.> > And as long as we're addicted to their oil teet, we're going to continue *hangin' out* in> > that region.> > I know many hate Carter, but had Reagan not stopped Carter's plan to get the US energy> > independent by 2000, would be a different world. >> You are dreaming. Carter's plan was unsustainable with $9 barrel. He> wanted to use a carrot & not a stick. Most humans are wasteful and> Americans are no better.>> If we elected Anderson there was a chance. It was more stick.- Hide quoted text ->> - Show quoted text -

Any energy policy that is not based on developing clean, renewablesources as a priority is a horse shit policy. Electric and hybridcars dont do jack shit. You still have to burn fossil fuels to turngenerators in order to charge batteries. Fossil fuels are a deadend. An expensive and globally destructive dead end. Orbitingmicrowave power transmission satellite systems (MPT) would give us allthe clean power we need. The technology already exists. Once again,excellent solutions are held up by politics and greed.

== 9 of 10 ==Date: Mon, May 3 2010 12:59 pm From: "papa.carl44"

"buRford" <buRford@buR.ford.com> wrote in message news:2mptt55bf0j6918f3thqt4j5pikn0nq893@4ax.com...> On Mon, 3 May 2010 00:12:37 -0700 (PDT), JetsLife <JetsLife@aol.com> > wrote:>>>I have my concerns. History will be the judge.>>>>Per the Obama Administration's private thinking: I see Israel>>attacking Iran. Then Iran draws in the US. Then Obama has cover.>> Please elaborate on said *private thinking.*>> Don't worry, JL... we're not going to attack Iran, unless they attack > Israel.> Kinda like a NATO agreement we have with Israel.> And as long as we're addicted to their oil teet, we're going to continue > *hangin' out* in> that region.> I know many hate Carter, but had Reagan not stopped Carter's plan to get > the US energy> independent by 2000, would be a different world. Iraq never would've > happened... and Iran> wouldn't be as powerful, since Iraq always kept Iran in check. Once Bush > attacked Iraq,> Iran became the big power in the region.> What Israel does... who knows... but Israel won't attack the Iran nuclear > facilities,> unless they KNOW they can really destroy them. And at this point, from > what I've read,> Iran has put them so deep underground, any attack wouldn't work.> Besides, Israel will be too busy, as it looks like Iran & Syria are moving > to provoke> Israel into some kind of war this summer... they're sending tons of > long-range arms to> Hezbollah. Read about it: http://bit.ly/bDjvMY

Amen....an intelligent response. Only minor question is about Israel...not so sure they think as clearly anymore...and may be a little more cowboy in their attitudes....really agree about the "god" the conservatives created with Reagan....the guy who raised the defecit, destroyed unions, and created a bunch of messes.....but he did make things good for Goldman Sachs :-)

== 10 of 10 ==Date: Mon, May 3 2010 1:01 pm From: "papa.carl44"

"Johnctx" <jc@spamtx.net> wrote in message news:u_OdnZIV-ITKk0LWnZ2dnUVZ_gadnZ2d@giganews.com...> buRford wrote:>> On Mon, 3 May 2010 00:12:37 -0700 (PDT), JetsLife <JetsLife@aol.com> >> wrote:>>>>> I have my concerns. History will be the judge.>>>>>> Per the Obama Administration's private thinking: I see Israel>>> attacking Iran. Then Iran draws in the US. Then Obama has cover.>>>> Please elaborate on said *private thinking.*>>>> Don't worry, JL... we're not going to attack Iran, unless they attack >> Israel.>> Kinda like a NATO agreement we have with Israel.>> And as long as we're addicted to their oil teet, we're going to continue >> *hangin' out* in>> that region.>> I know many hate Carter, but had Reagan not stopped Carter's plan to get >> the US energy>> independent by 2000, would be a different world.>> You are dreaming. Carter's plan was unsustainable with $9 barrel. He > wanted to use a carrot & not a stick. Most humans are wasteful and > Americans are no better.>> If we elected Anderson there was a chance. It was more stick.

When the Hell did I run for President? But, I would have done a better job.....and I don't think these sticky thumpy things are workin out too good.

Glenn, LT is taking Greene's spot as Shonn moves up to be the #1 backreplacing TJ. Tannenbaum himself has said that if the opportunity todraft Mcknight had not been there, they would not have traded away Leon.If that is not McKnight taking Leon's spot then I don't know what is.-- graybeard

>All you guys know I was a big Leon fan...I really felt he was special....if >this clown can't get it together he will be cut very early on. What a >waste.

Ditto, Papa. I don't recall Leon ever showing up out of shape. In facthe was one of the hardest workers on the team.-- graybeard

== 3 of 11 ==Date: Mon, May 3 2010 6:10 am From: Glenn Greenstein

On May 3, 1:57 am, "yoyodog" <NOS...@yahoo.com> wrote:> "Glenn Greenstein" <lexa...@hotmail.com> wrote in message>> news:38374d47-a9b5-4127-8820-80c7b2be9ee7@k41g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...> On May 2, 10:44 pm, graybeard <graybe...@invalid.invalid> wrote:>>>> > From nydailynews.com>> > <quote>>> > New York Jets' NFL draft pick Joe McKnight looks below average at> > minicamp, lacks conditioning>> > BY Matt Gagne> > DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER>> > Sunday, May 2nd 2010, 4:00 AM>> > First it was nerves and dehydration, then it was a stomach virus that> > caused Joe McKnight to throw up, double over in pain, suffer leg cramps> > and languish around the field while everyone else feared slowing down> > for even the briefest of moments.>> > Turns out it was just a lack of conditioning.>> > The running back that the Jets traded Leon Washington to move up and> > grab in the fourth round of last month's draft, admitted Saturday that> > he arrived at rookie minicamp hardly in top form.>> > "I'm not in good shape right now," McKnight said following Saturday> > afternoon's practice in Florham Park. "I'm in OK shape, but not the> > best, it could be better. I need to work out and just get back in> > shape.">> > After throwing up Friday morning and missing practice time because of> > cramping in his calf muscles, McKnight vowed to "keep myself hydrated"> > and blamed his breakdown on "a lot of nerves." But there was little> > improvement yesterday, except for the fact that McKnight "didn't give it> > up" - his way of saying he didn't throw up again.>> > Yet he nearly did.>> > McKnight watched most of Saturday morning's practice from a bended knee> > - as if he were celebrating a touchdown - until a coach told him to join> > the other players or get off the field. Rising slowly, McKnight hung his> > head and made his way to the back of the end zone, where he fell to both> > knees and stabilized himself with an outstretched arm. Two trainers> > worked on McKnight, covering him with wet towels as he appeared to be> > dry heaving.>> > "Every time I look around he's got a wet towel around his neck," said a> > clearly displeased Rex Ryan. "And then he's making one mistake after> > another.">> > Even though temperatures were pushing 90 degrees, the scene was not> > repeated with any of the other 46 players, most of them undrafted and> > giving their all in a bid to earn an invite to training camp.>> > It's something that McKnight, despite being taken with the 112th overall> > pick, isn't taking for granted.>> > "Every day I have to prove myself, that's how I feel," said McKnight,> > who has drawn the ire of running backs coach Anthony Lynn. "Be a pro,> > that's what he told me the other day. He didn't like what I was doing> > out there, professionals don't (throw up).">> > Ryan speculated that McKnight might be battling "a bug or something,"> > and McKnight offered a similar theory moments before he copped to his> > poor conditioning, which he blamed on the whirlwind of the draft and a> > new change of pace.>> > "I'm just trying to get used to this process, just the tempo of> > practice," he said.>> > Ryan envisions using McKnight as an occasional slot receiver - the same> > way Washington was used - but the rookie has struggled to make a good> > first impression, compounding his poor conditioning with several dropped> > passes and mental mistakes.>> > During a seven-on-seven passing drill, for instance, coaches began> > yelling at him for going in motion left when the play called for motion> > right. It's a simple mistake, but during a time when Ryan jokes that> > "Summit High School beats us by two touchdowns," the coaches' response> > is a sign that their patience is being tested.>> > McKnight motioned correctly on the next play, only to jump offside.> > Continuing on despite the false start, he ran a slant route and dropped> > a perfectly thrown pass in a wide-open area. The next time out, McKnight> > dropped another ball that hit him squarely in the numbers.>> > A few hours before McKnight admitted to being out of shape, Ryan> > addressed the media and seemed perplexed by the rookie's condition.>> > "I don't know exactly what it is, but he's fighting through it," Ryan> > said. "The thing that I appreciate about him is that he is trying to> > fight through it, albeit on a knee most of the time.">> > Just like the patience, that appreciation may be wearing thin.>> > </quote>>> > --> > graybeard> >> Gray, McKnight is taking Washington's spot, LT is.>> Hmmmm... assuming you meant "ISN'T taking Washington's spot" you must have> missed this paragraph...>> "Ryan envisions using McKnight as an occasional slot receiver - the same> way Washington was used - but the rookie has struggled to make a good> first impression, compounding his poor conditioning with several dropped> passes and mental mistakes."

I really don't see that happening. The logical roles are Greene as theground and pound guy and LT as the speed and receiver out of thebackfield guy. From what I heard LT still has very good speed over thefirst 10 or 15 yards.

== 4 of 11 ==Date: Mon, May 3 2010 6:13 am From: Glenn Greenstein

On May 3, 7:54 am, graybeard <graybe...@invalid.invalid> wrote:> On Sun, 2 May 2010 20:15:35 -0700 (PDT) Glenn Greenstein>> <lexa...@hotmail.com> wrote:> >Gray, McKnight is taking Washington's spot, LT is.>> Glenn, LT is taking Greene's spot as Shonn moves up to be the #1 back> replacing TJ. Tannenbaum himself has said that if the opportunity to> draft Mcknight had not been there, they would not have traded away Leon.> If that is not McKnight taking Leon's spot then I don't know what is.> --> graybeard

That spot was created out of necessity because Greene is a big backwho can't catch. Now that we have LT who is about as good a receivingRB the league has, it really makes no sense to use him that way or forthe Jets to use two guys in virtually the same role.

== 5 of 11 ==Date: Mon, May 3 2010 6:32 am From: Michael

On May 2, 10:44 pm, graybeard <graybe...@invalid.invalid> wrote:> From nydailynews.com>> <quote>>> New York Jets' NFL draft pick Joe McKnight looks below average at> minicamp, lacks conditioning>> BY Matt Gagne> DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER>> Sunday, May 2nd 2010, 4:00 AM>> First it was nerves and dehydration, then it was a stomach virus that> caused Joe McKnight to throw up, double over in pain, suffer leg cramps> and languish around the field while everyone else feared slowing down> for even the briefest of moments.>> Turns out it was just a lack of conditioning.>> The running back that the Jets traded Leon Washington to move up and> grab in the fourth round of last month's draft, admitted Saturday that> he arrived at rookie minicamp hardly in top form.>> "I'm not in good shape right now," McKnight said following Saturday> afternoon's practice in Florham Park. "I'm in OK shape, but not the> best, it could be better. I need to work out and just get back in> shape.">> After throwing up Friday morning and missing practice time because of> cramping in his calf muscles, McKnight vowed to "keep myself hydrated"> and blamed his breakdown on "a lot of nerves." But there was little> improvement yesterday, except for the fact that McKnight "didn't give it> up" - his way of saying he didn't throw up again.>> Yet he nearly did.>> McKnight watched most of Saturday morning's practice from a bended knee> - as if he were celebrating a touchdown - until a coach told him to join> the other players or get off the field. Rising slowly, McKnight hung his> head and made his way to the back of the end zone, where he fell to both> knees and stabilized himself with an outstretched arm. Two trainers> worked on McKnight, covering him with wet towels as he appeared to be> dry heaving.>> "Every time I look around he's got a wet towel around his neck," said a> clearly displeased Rex Ryan. "And then he's making one mistake after> another.">> Even though temperatures were pushing 90 degrees, the scene was not> repeated with any of the other 46 players, most of them undrafted and> giving their all in a bid to earn an invite to training camp.>> It's something that McKnight, despite being taken with the 112th overall> pick, isn't taking for granted.>> "Every day I have to prove myself, that's how I feel," said McKnight,> who has drawn the ire of running backs coach Anthony Lynn. "Be a pro,> that's what he told me the other day. He didn't like what I was doing> out there, professionals don't (throw up).">> Ryan speculated that McKnight might be battling "a bug or something,"> and McKnight offered a similar theory moments before he copped to his> poor conditioning, which he blamed on the whirlwind of the draft and a> new change of pace.>> "I'm just trying to get used to this process, just the tempo of> practice," he said.>> Ryan envisions using McKnight as an occasional slot receiver - the same> way Washington was used - but the rookie has struggled to make a good> first impression, compounding his poor conditioning with several dropped> passes and mental mistakes.>> During a seven-on-seven passing drill, for instance, coaches began> yelling at him for going in motion left when the play called for motion> right. It's a simple mistake, but during a time when Ryan jokes that> "Summit High School beats us by two touchdowns," the coaches' response> is a sign that their patience is being tested.>> McKnight motioned correctly on the next play, only to jump offside.> Continuing on despite the false start, he ran a slant route and dropped> a perfectly thrown pass in a wide-open area. The next time out, McKnight> dropped another ball that hit him squarely in the numbers.>> A few hours before McKnight admitted to being out of shape, Ryan> addressed the media and seemed perplexed by the rookie's condition.>> "I don't know exactly what it is, but he's fighting through it," Ryan> said. "The thing that I appreciate about him is that he is trying to> fight through it, albeit on a knee most of the time.">> Just like the patience, that appreciation may be wearing thin.>> </quote>>> --> graybeard

Interesting... McKnight is getting ground up here, but last Ryan'scommentary on Gholston in spring drills last year were all rosey. Iwoud not read too much into this on way or the other. McKnight justhad a bad day. Or may be Rex is getting up to speed on his drillsargent tactics for Hard Knox :-)

== 6 of 11 ==Date: Mon, May 3 2010 7:09 am From: Glenn Greenstein

On May 3, 9:32 am, Michael <mjd1...@verizon.net> wrote:> On May 2, 10:44 pm, graybeard <graybe...@invalid.invalid> wrote:>>>> > From nydailynews.com>> > <quote>>> > New York Jets' NFL draft pick Joe McKnight looks below average at> > minicamp, lacks conditioning>> > BY Matt Gagne> > DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER>> > Sunday, May 2nd 2010, 4:00 AM>> > First it was nerves and dehydration, then it was a stomach virus that> > caused Joe McKnight to throw up, double over in pain, suffer leg cramps> > and languish around the field while everyone else feared slowing down> > for even the briefest of moments.>> > Turns out it was just a lack of conditioning.>> > The running back that the Jets traded Leon Washington to move up and> > grab in the fourth round of last month's draft, admitted Saturday that> > he arrived at rookie minicamp hardly in top form.>> > "I'm not in good shape right now," McKnight said following Saturday> > afternoon's practice in Florham Park. "I'm in OK shape, but not the> > best, it could be better. I need to work out and just get back in> > shape.">> > After throwing up Friday morning and missing practice time because of> > cramping in his calf muscles, McKnight vowed to "keep myself hydrated"> > and blamed his breakdown on "a lot of nerves." But there was little> > improvement yesterday, except for the fact that McKnight "didn't give it> > up" - his way of saying he didn't throw up again.>> > Yet he nearly did.>> > McKnight watched most of Saturday morning's practice from a bended knee> > - as if he were celebrating a touchdown - until a coach told him to join> > the other players or get off the field. Rising slowly, McKnight hung his> > head and made his way to the back of the end zone, where he fell to both> > knees and stabilized himself with an outstretched arm. Two trainers> > worked on McKnight, covering him with wet towels as he appeared to be> > dry heaving.>> > "Every time I look around he's got a wet towel around his neck," said a> > clearly displeased Rex Ryan. "And then he's making one mistake after> > another.">> > Even though temperatures were pushing 90 degrees, the scene was not> > repeated with any of the other 46 players, most of them undrafted and> > giving their all in a bid to earn an invite to training camp.>> > It's something that McKnight, despite being taken with the 112th overall> > pick, isn't taking for granted.>> > "Every day I have to prove myself, that's how I feel," said McKnight,> > who has drawn the ire of running backs coach Anthony Lynn. "Be a pro,> > that's what he told me the other day. He didn't like what I was doing> > out there, professionals don't (throw up).">> > Ryan speculated that McKnight might be battling "a bug or something,"> > and McKnight offered a similar theory moments before he copped to his> > poor conditioning, which he blamed on the whirlwind of the draft and a> > new change of pace.>> > "I'm just trying to get used to this process, just the tempo of> > practice," he said.>> > Ryan envisions using McKnight as an occasional slot receiver - the same> > way Washington was used - but the rookie has struggled to make a good> > first impression, compounding his poor conditioning with several dropped> > passes and mental mistakes.>> > During a seven-on-seven passing drill, for instance, coaches began> > yelling at him for going in motion left when the play called for motion> > right. It's a simple mistake, but during a time when Ryan jokes that> > "Summit High School beats us by two touchdowns," the coaches' response> > is a sign that their patience is being tested.>> > McKnight motioned correctly on the next play, only to jump offside.> > Continuing on despite the false start, he ran a slant route and dropped> > a perfectly thrown pass in a wide-open area. The next time out, McKnight> > dropped another ball that hit him squarely in the numbers.>> > A few hours before McKnight admitted to being out of shape, Ryan> > addressed the media and seemed perplexed by the rookie's condition.>> > "I don't know exactly what it is, but he's fighting through it," Ryan> > said. "The thing that I appreciate about him is that he is trying to> > fight through it, albeit on a knee most of the time.">> > Just like the patience, that appreciation may be wearing thin.>> > </quote>>> > --> > graybeard>> Interesting... McKnight is getting ground up here, but last Ryan's> commentary on Gholston in spring drills last year were all rosey. I> woud not read too much into this on way or the other. McKnight just> had a bad day. Or may be Rex is getting up to speed on his drill> sargent tactics for Hard Knox :-)

I think McKnight just needs to grow up a bit more. He was probably outpartying after he got drafted instead of getting ready for camp andhad no idea what he was walking into. He also most likely knows thereis a roster spot on the team for him no matter how porrly he shows.The team has already invested a lot in him and will give him everychance to succeed while the other guys are more make or break.

>From nydailynews.com>><quote>>>New York Jets' NFL draft pick Joe McKnight looks below average at>minicamp, lacks conditioning>>BY Matt Gagne>DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER>>Sunday, May 2nd 2010, 4:00 AM>>First it was nerves and dehydration, then it was a stomach virus that>caused Joe McKnight to throw up, double over in pain, suffer leg cramps>and languish around the field while everyone else feared slowing down>for even the briefest of moments.>>Turns out it was just a lack of conditioning.>>The running back that the Jets traded Leon Washington to move up and>grab in the fourth round of last month's draft, admitted Saturday that>he arrived at rookie minicamp hardly in top form.>>"I'm not in good shape right now," McKnight said following Saturday>afternoon's practice in Florham Park. "I'm in OK shape, but not the>best, it could be better. I need to work out and just get back in>shape.">>After throwing up Friday morning and missing practice time because of>cramping in his calf muscles, McKnight vowed to "keep myself hydrated">and blamed his breakdown on "a lot of nerves." But there was little>improvement yesterday, except for the fact that McKnight "didn't give it>up" - his way of saying he didn't throw up again.>>Yet he nearly did.>>McKnight watched most of Saturday morning's practice from a bended knee>- as if he were celebrating a touchdown - until a coach told him to join>the other players or get off the field. Rising slowly, McKnight hung his>head and made his way to the back of the end zone, where he fell to both>knees and stabilized himself with an outstretched arm. Two trainers>worked on McKnight, covering him with wet towels as he appeared to be>dry heaving.>>"Every time I look around he's got a wet towel around his neck," said a>clearly displeased Rex Ryan. "And then he's making one mistake after>another.">>Even though temperatures were pushing 90 degrees, the scene was not>repeated with any of the other 46 players, most of them undrafted and>giving their all in a bid to earn an invite to training camp.>>It's something that McKnight, despite being taken with the 112th overall>pick, isn't taking for granted.>>"Every day I have to prove myself, that's how I feel," said McKnight,>who has drawn the ire of running backs coach Anthony Lynn. "Be a pro,>that's what he told me the other day. He didn't like what I was doing>out there, professionals don't (throw up).">>Ryan speculated that McKnight might be battling "a bug or something,">and McKnight offered a similar theory moments before he copped to his>poor conditioning, which he blamed on the whirlwind of the draft and a>new change of pace.>>"I'm just trying to get used to this process, just the tempo of>practice," he said.>>Ryan envisions using McKnight as an occasional slot receiver - the same>way Washington was used - but the rookie has struggled to make a good>first impression, compounding his poor conditioning with several dropped>passes and mental mistakes.>>During a seven-on-seven passing drill, for instance, coaches began>yelling at him for going in motion left when the play called for motion>right. It's a simple mistake, but during a time when Ryan jokes that>"Summit High School beats us by two touchdowns," the coaches' response>is a sign that their patience is being tested.>>McKnight motioned correctly on the next play, only to jump offside.>Continuing on despite the false start, he ran a slant route and dropped>a perfectly thrown pass in a wide-open area. The next time out, McKnight>dropped another ball that hit him squarely in the numbers.>>A few hours before McKnight admitted to being out of shape, Ryan>addressed the media and seemed perplexed by the rookie's condition.>>"I don't know exactly what it is, but he's fighting through it," Ryan>said. "The thing that I appreciate about him is that he is trying to>fight through it, albeit on a knee most of the time.">>Just like the patience, that appreciation may be wearing thin.>></quote>

Ah, I wouldn't worry about it, gray... yet...it was only rookie camp.From what I've read about him, he's got some head case in him.Frail ego... couldn't deal with the pressure of the Reggie Bush comparisons.Write messages on his face about money.If he's capable of growing up, he'll be a player. If not, we'll have to go to plan B.

== 8 of 11 ==Date: Mon, May 3 2010 10:31 am From: Glenn Greenstein

On May 3, 12:12 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:> On Sun, 02 May 2010 22:44:59 -0400, graybeard <graybe...@invalid.invalid> wrote:> >From nydailynews.com>> ><quote>>> >New York Jets' NFL draft pick Joe McKnight looks below average at> >minicamp, lacks conditioning>> >BY Matt Gagne> >DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER>> >Sunday, May 2nd 2010, 4:00 AM>> >First it was nerves and dehydration, then it was a stomach virus that> >caused Joe McKnight to throw up, double over in pain, suffer leg cramps> >and languish around the field while everyone else feared slowing down> >for even the briefest of moments.>> >Turns out it was just a lack of conditioning.>> >The running back that the Jets traded Leon Washington to move up and> >grab in the fourth round of last month's draft, admitted Saturday that> >he arrived at rookie minicamp hardly in top form.>> >"I'm not in good shape right now," McKnight said following Saturday> >afternoon's practice in Florham Park. "I'm in OK shape, but not the> >best, it could be better. I need to work out and just get back in> >shape.">> >After throwing up Friday morning and missing practice time because of> >cramping in his calf muscles, McKnight vowed to "keep myself hydrated"> >and blamed his breakdown on "a lot of nerves." But there was little> >improvement yesterday, except for the fact that McKnight "didn't give it> >up" - his way of saying he didn't throw up again.>> >Yet he nearly did.>> >McKnight watched most of Saturday morning's practice from a bended knee> >- as if he were celebrating a touchdown - until a coach told him to join> >the other players or get off the field. Rising slowly, McKnight hung his> >head and made his way to the back of the end zone, where he fell to both> >knees and stabilized himself with an outstretched arm. Two trainers> >worked on McKnight, covering him with wet towels as he appeared to be> >dry heaving.>> >"Every time I look around he's got a wet towel around his neck," said a> >clearly displeased Rex Ryan. "And then he's making one mistake after> >another.">> >Even though temperatures were pushing 90 degrees, the scene was not> >repeated with any of the other 46 players, most of them undrafted and> >giving their all in a bid to earn an invite to training camp.>> >It's something that McKnight, despite being taken with the 112th overall> >pick, isn't taking for granted.>> >"Every day I have to prove myself, that's how I feel," said McKnight,> >who has drawn the ire of running backs coach Anthony Lynn. "Be a pro,> >that's what he told me the other day. He didn't like what I was doing> >out there, professionals don't (throw up).">> >Ryan speculated that McKnight might be battling "a bug or something,"> >and McKnight offered a similar theory moments before he copped to his> >poor conditioning, which he blamed on the whirlwind of the draft and a> >new change of pace.>> >"I'm just trying to get used to this process, just the tempo of> >practice," he said.>> >Ryan envisions using McKnight as an occasional slot receiver - the same> >way Washington was used - but the rookie has struggled to make a good> >first impression, compounding his poor conditioning with several dropped> >passes and mental mistakes.>> >During a seven-on-seven passing drill, for instance, coaches began> >yelling at him for going in motion left when the play called for motion> >right. It's a simple mistake, but during a time when Ryan jokes that> >"Summit High School beats us by two touchdowns," the coaches' response> >is a sign that their patience is being tested.>> >McKnight motioned correctly on the next play, only to jump offside.> >Continuing on despite the false start, he ran a slant route and dropped> >a perfectly thrown pass in a wide-open area. The next time out, McKnight> >dropped another ball that hit him squarely in the numbers.>> >A few hours before McKnight admitted to being out of shape, Ryan> >addressed the media and seemed perplexed by the rookie's condition.>> >"I don't know exactly what it is, but he's fighting through it," Ryan> >said. "The thing that I appreciate about him is that he is trying to> >fight through it, albeit on a knee most of the time.">> >Just like the patience, that appreciation may be wearing thin.>> ></quote>>> Ah, I wouldn't worry about it, gray... yet...> it was only rookie camp.> From what I've read about him, he's got some head case in him.> Frail ego... couldn't deal with the pressure of the Reggie Bush comparisons.> Write messages on his face about money.> If he's capable of growing up, he'll be a player. If not, we'll have to go to plan B.

Maybe someone needs to write a message on his face about hydratinghimself before practice.

== 9 of 11 ==Date: Mon, May 3 2010 11:27 am From: Johnctx

buRford wrote:> On Sun, 02 May 2010 22:44:59 -0400, graybeard <graybeard@invalid.invalid> wrote:> >>From nydailynews.com>> <quote>>>>> New York Jets' NFL draft pick Joe McKnight looks below average at>> minicamp, lacks conditioning>>>> BY Matt Gagne>> DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER>>>> Sunday, May 2nd 2010, 4:00 AM>>>> First it was nerves and dehydration, then it was a stomach virus that>> caused Joe McKnight to throw up, double over in pain, suffer leg cramps>> and languish around the field while everyone else feared slowing down>> for even the briefest of moments.>>>> Turns out it was just a lack of conditioning.>>>> The running back that the Jets traded Leon Washington to move up and>> grab in the fourth round of last month's draft, admitted Saturday that>> he arrived at rookie minicamp hardly in top form.>>>> "I'm not in good shape right now," McKnight said following Saturday>> afternoon's practice in Florham Park. "I'm in OK shape, but not the>> best, it could be better. I need to work out and just get back in>> shape.">>>> After throwing up Friday morning and missing practice time because of>> cramping in his calf muscles, McKnight vowed to "keep myself hydrated">> and blamed his breakdown on "a lot of nerves." But there was little>> improvement yesterday, except for the fact that McKnight "didn't give it>> up" - his way of saying he didn't throw up again.>>>> Yet he nearly did.>>>> McKnight watched most of Saturday morning's practice from a bended knee>> - as if he were celebrating a touchdown - until a coach told him to join>> the other players or get off the field. Rising slowly, McKnight hung his>> head and made his way to the back of the end zone, where he fell to both>> knees and stabilized himself with an outstretched arm. Two trainers>> worked on McKnight, covering him with wet towels as he appeared to be>> dry heaving.>>>> "Every time I look around he's got a wet towel around his neck," said a>> clearly displeased Rex Ryan. "And then he's making one mistake after>> another.">>>> Even though temperatures were pushing 90 degrees, the scene was not>> repeated with any of the other 46 players, most of them undrafted and>> giving their all in a bid to earn an invite to training camp.>>>> It's something that McKnight, despite being taken with the 112th overall>> pick, isn't taking for granted.>>>> "Every day I have to prove myself, that's how I feel," said McKnight,>> who has drawn the ire of running backs coach Anthony Lynn. "Be a pro,>> that's what he told me the other day. He didn't like what I was doing>> out there, professionals don't (throw up).">>>> Ryan speculated that McKnight might be battling "a bug or something,">> and McKnight offered a similar theory moments before he copped to his>> poor conditioning, which he blamed on the whirlwind of the draft and a>> new change of pace.>>>> "I'm just trying to get used to this process, just the tempo of>> practice," he said.>>>> Ryan envisions using McKnight as an occasional slot receiver - the same>> way Washington was used - but the rookie has struggled to make a good>> first impression, compounding his poor conditioning with several dropped>> passes and mental mistakes.>>>> During a seven-on-seven passing drill, for instance, coaches began>> yelling at him for going in motion left when the play called for motion>> right. It's a simple mistake, but during a time when Ryan jokes that>> "Summit High School beats us by two touchdowns," the coaches' response>> is a sign that their patience is being tested.>>>> McKnight motioned correctly on the next play, only to jump offside.>> Continuing on despite the false start, he ran a slant route and dropped>> a perfectly thrown pass in a wide-open area. The next time out, McKnight>> dropped another ball that hit him squarely in the numbers.>>>> A few hours before McKnight admitted to being out of shape, Ryan>> addressed the media and seemed perplexed by the rookie's condition.>>>> "I don't know exactly what it is, but he's fighting through it," Ryan>> said. "The thing that I appreciate about him is that he is trying to>> fight through it, albeit on a knee most of the time.">>>> Just like the patience, that appreciation may be wearing thin.>>>> </quote>> > > Ah, I wouldn't worry about it, gray... yet...> it was only rookie camp.> From what I've read about him, he's got some head case in him.> Frail ego... couldn't deal with the pressure of the Reggie Bush comparisons.> Write messages on his face about money.> If he's capable of growing up, he'll be a player. If not, we'll have to go to plan B.

I am with you but what kind of moron shows up unfit for camp?

I guarantee that Rex was sending a message to him. Sometimes there is value in Rex talking to the media. This is a good example.

== 10 of 11 ==Date: Mon, May 3 2010 12:50 pm From: "papa.carl44"

"Glenn Greenstein" <lexa695@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:e48ced85-eb9b-424b-a017-26c8bd88d6d4@q32g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...On May 3, 1:57 am, "yoyodog" <NOS...@yahoo.com> wrote:> "Glenn Greenstein" <lexa...@hotmail.com> wrote in message>> news:38374d47-a9b5-4127-8820-80c7b2be9ee7@k41g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...> On May 2, 10:44 pm, graybeard <graybe...@invalid.invalid> wrote:>>>> > From nydailynews.com>> > <quote>>> > New York Jets' NFL draft pick Joe McKnight looks below average at> > minicamp, lacks conditioning>> > BY Matt Gagne> > DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER>> > Sunday, May 2nd 2010, 4:00 AM>> > First it was nerves and dehydration, then it was a stomach virus that> > caused Joe McKnight to throw up, double over in pain, suffer leg cramps> > and languish around the field while everyone else feared slowing down> > for even the briefest of moments.>> > Turns out it was just a lack of conditioning.>> > The running back that the Jets traded Leon Washington to move up and> > grab in the fourth round of last month's draft, admitted Saturday that> > he arrived at rookie minicamp hardly in top form.>> > "I'm not in good shape right now," McKnight said following Saturday> > afternoon's practice in Florham Park. "I'm in OK shape, but not the> > best, it could be better. I need to work out and just get back in> > shape.">> > After throwing up Friday morning and missing practice time because of> > cramping in his calf muscles, McKnight vowed to "keep myself hydrated"> > and blamed his breakdown on "a lot of nerves." But there was little> > improvement yesterday, except for the fact that McKnight "didn't give it> > up" - his way of saying he didn't throw up again.>> > Yet he nearly did.>> > McKnight watched most of Saturday morning's practice from a bended knee> > - as if he were celebrating a touchdown - until a coach told him to join> > the other players or get off the field. Rising slowly, McKnight hung his> > head and made his way to the back of the end zone, where he fell to both> > knees and stabilized himself with an outstretched arm. Two trainers> > worked on McKnight, covering him with wet towels as he appeared to be> > dry heaving.>> > "Every time I look around he's got a wet towel around his neck," said a> > clearly displeased Rex Ryan. "And then he's making one mistake after> > another.">> > Even though temperatures were pushing 90 degrees, the scene was not> > repeated with any of the other 46 players, most of them undrafted and> > giving their all in a bid to earn an invite to training camp.>> > It's something that McKnight, despite being taken with the 112th overall> > pick, isn't taking for granted.>> > "Every day I have to prove myself, that's how I feel," said McKnight,> > who has drawn the ire of running backs coach Anthony Lynn. "Be a pro,> > that's what he told me the other day. He didn't like what I was doing> > out there, professionals don't (throw up).">> > Ryan speculated that McKnight might be battling "a bug or something,"> > and McKnight offered a similar theory moments before he copped to his> > poor conditioning, which he blamed on the whirlwind of the draft and a> > new change of pace.>> > "I'm just trying to get used to this process, just the tempo of> > practice," he said.>> > Ryan envisions using McKnight as an occasional slot receiver - the same> > way Washington was used - but the rookie has struggled to make a good> > first impression, compounding his poor conditioning with several dropped> > passes and mental mistakes.>> > During a seven-on-seven passing drill, for instance, coaches began> > yelling at him for going in motion left when the play called for motion> > right. It's a simple mistake, but during a time when Ryan jokes that> > "Summit High School beats us by two touchdowns," the coaches' response> > is a sign that their patience is being tested.>> > McKnight motioned correctly on the next play, only to jump offside.> > Continuing on despite the false start, he ran a slant route and dropped> > a perfectly thrown pass in a wide-open area. The next time out, McKnight> > dropped another ball that hit him squarely in the numbers.>> > A few hours before McKnight admitted to being out of shape, Ryan> > addressed the media and seemed perplexed by the rookie's condition.>> > "I don't know exactly what it is, but he's fighting through it," Ryan> > said. "The thing that I appreciate about him is that he is trying to> > fight through it, albeit on a knee most of the time.">> > Just like the patience, that appreciation may be wearing thin.>> > </quote>>> > --> > graybeard> >> Gray, McKnight is taking Washington's spot, LT is.>> Hmmmm... assuming you meant "ISN'T taking Washington's spot" you must have> missed this paragraph...>> "Ryan envisions using McKnight as an occasional slot receiver - the same> way Washington was used - but the rookie has struggled to make a good> first impression, compounding his poor conditioning with several dropped> passes and mental mistakes."

I really don't see that happening. The logical roles are Greene as theground and pound guy and LT as the speed and receiver out of thebackfield guy. From what I heard LT still has very good speed over thefirst 10 or 15 yards.

And that would be very typical no imagination lack luster offense. So, you are going to give an entirely different role to LT? Because that isn't really what he's done his for his career...he is a running back, and was a brilliant one. What we need to see is how much gas is left in his tank and if he can show any endurance which he didn't in recent history. On top of that, Greene has shown he does not have season long endurance. That is precisely why some of us questioned these moves....I'm hoping LT will revive and be a major threat, because I really don't think Greene is going to be the guy. He will show bursts of great performance followed by time off. OMHO Papa Carl

== 11 of 11 ==Date: Mon, May 3 2010 12:52 pm From: "papa.carl44"

"Glenn Greenstein" <lexa695@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:fb9f454d-8240-458f-b8d7-a09e826b5172@e2g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...On May 3, 7:54 am, graybeard <graybe...@invalid.invalid> wrote:> On Sun, 2 May 2010 20:15:35 -0700 (PDT) Glenn Greenstein>> <lexa...@hotmail.com> wrote:> >Gray, McKnight is taking Washington's spot, LT is.>> Glenn, LT is taking Greene's spot as Shonn moves up to be the #1 back> replacing TJ. Tannenbaum himself has said that if the opportunity to> draft Mcknight had not been there, they would not have traded away Leon.> If that is not McKnight taking Leon's spot then I don't know what is.> --> graybeard

That spot was created out of necessity because Greene is a big backwho can't catch. Now that we have LT who is about as good a receivingRB the league has, it really makes no sense to use him that way or forthe Jets to use two guys in virtually the same role.

Somewhat buried in an Associated Press fluff piece on the Seahawks'running back corps is a nugget that newly acquired returner/tailbackLeon Washington will have to play this season with a stabilizing rodin his surgically repaired leg.

Washington suffered a compound leg fracture, breaking both his tibiaand fibula, seven games into last season. The 27-year-old claims tohave resumed running over a month ago, and intends to rejoin practicesat the start of training camp.

On the Saturday of draft weekend, the Jets traded Washington and aseventh-round pick to Seattle for a fifth-round pick. New York usedthe draft choice to select Kentucky fullback John Conner, a.k.a. "TheTerminator."

It's unclear how playing with the rod will affect Washington'sperformance, but it doesn't sound good. Jets G.M. Mike Tannenbaumadmitted after the trade that his team's medical staff wasn't sureWashington would be ready for Week One.

The meager compensation also indicates that the Jets were unconvincedWashington would regain all of his explosiveness.

While the draft-day risk taken by the Seahawks was worthwhile for sucha dynamic talent, it would seemingly be a surprise if Washington werehis old self to start the season.

buRford wrote:> According to Leberfeld...> > Alan Faneca on his salary perhaps being a factor in his release - "There was no asking for> a pay-cut, but I was surprised, I was surprised. I heard the rumor a day or two before> hand, and then it went down."> > *********> > When I first read this, kinda pissed me off a bit. Why not even try, especially since> you're paying him anyway?> But, after a minute... it actually reflects a realistic mindset by management, to me.> Despite the whole media spin, and Rex's *we're going for a Super Bowl this year"> proclamations (not that he wouldn't like it), the Faneca move shows me they weren't taken> in, at all, by the *we were a game away from the Supe* mentality. Moreso, they're very> cognizant of how far we DO have to go, to the next level.> To compete longterm we have to get younger, and the uncapped year most likely provided an> easier out capwise, if a new cap is implemented in the future.> So, I no longer think it was about saving $2+ million, but about *youthifying* &> strategizing possible future cap issues, especially with all the new contracts that are on> the near horizon.> > As an aside, been reading a lot about UFA Donavan Warren. Sounds like a player... has a> great attitude, and a huge chip on his shoulder to prove himself NFL caliber.> We may have found a solid safety... or maybe not ;)

buRf, of course they didn't ask him to take a pay cut because they knew the answer.

The $5MM+ he was guaranteed was a moot point as restructuring doesn't help in a non-cap season so that leaves $2.25 MM to discuss. His replacement if a rookie was going to cost the NYJ $500K if a vet $1MM so we are now down to $1.25 -1.75MM that they could negotiate and still have savings. The Jets obviously knew what he would be worth on the market as did he and his agent.

As for the clean break theory. Sorry that is just stupid this is not a f###ing softball team. It is a team that is 40 years removed from a Super Bowl. If you bring him to camp & he loses you either cut him or you have a Pro Bowl guard on the bench. If he wins he is a better player.

I realize that someone felt Faneca's skill set limited what they could do, especially in short yardage situations, but he could have been cheap insurance.

papa.carl44 wrote:> "Tutor" <dcat4434@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:297beb8c-603b-4c30-85f6-e71ba5994036@k29g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...> On May 2, 1:25 pm, A J <a...@fogliettaandson.com> wrote:>> On May 2, 12:11 am, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ya hear all the negativity & questions in the Media, about *chemistry.*>>> Listening to the players, and even the new players at Rookie Camp, they >>> all speak of one>>> thing - - they're playing for a championship. It's like the Media, the >>> Pundit types, are>>> so busy looking for angles, they miss the story in front of their faces.>>> They focus on these answers to questions ABOUT chemistry, rather than >>> just listening to>>> the players... they're, in general, having fun.>>> For one... look at interviews of Kyle Wilson, after his first camp >>> day... the guy is light>>> & confident, and is seemingly comfortable & relaxed.>>> I don't think this is Super Bowl year. Last year they learned to play >>> together. But I>>> don't necessarily think they took much of a step forward, in terms of >>> being championship>>> caliber. 2010 is the year to take the leap... we'll see.>>> Back to Rex - two things... I heard him in Friday's Presser say an >>> interesting thing, in>>> response to a question (I think) about anything negative he saw on the >>> first day of Rookie>>> Camp.>>> He said (paraphrase): *if there's one thing I was troubled by, it was >>> too many serious>>> faces. I want them to have fun.*>>> His personality, it seems, just goes (bang zoom) over most in the Media, >>> which is why>>> there are so many people that criticize him. You know, the *fatso*, >>> *loudmouth* garbage.>>> They don't get that he's just playing. He really enjoys himself... and >>> that is key to>>> what he's trying to build here. If he can get the team to lighten up, >>> especially the new>>> guys, something nice may really be starting to seed.>>> Which brings me to thing 2: Glauber writing about, what else - - >>> *chemistry.*>>> Rex responds: " ... I came here to win. I never came here to be average. >>> I know when it's>>> all said and done I'm going to be held to those standards. Did you win? >>> Did you deliver a>>> championship? I'm man enough to go for it, where a lot of guys aren't. >>> Well see what>>> happens.">>> THAT, my friends, is what Rex is bringing to Jetslandistan.>>> And if Rex is able to infuse his enthusiam into his players... I mean, >>> it's been my whole>>> adult life. I was in my early teens, when I last met Vince.>>> That I'm even thinking this stuff... weird ;)>> Bullseye, buRf>>>> I've been saying for years, until the time comes when your goal is the>> championship,>> you'll never win it. It seemed like the perennial goal for this team>> was to make the playoffs,>> which they did several times. IMHO, because THAT was the goal, they>> weren't successful>> in advancing.>>>> This team is talented, they have a clear, common goal, and they>> believe in themselves because>> of the late success last year.>>>> In my mind, that makes them a very dangerous group.>>>> I'm not predicting a Vince here, don't get me wrong, but winning one>> wouldn't shock me either.>>>> When you have a D as stingy as this one combined with improved options>> on O ( on paper, that is), for me>> this year comes down to 2 things, assuming that the D will continue to>> be as it was last year.>>>> Limit turnovers on O>>>> Utilize the offensive balance and let their D dictate how they want to>> be beaten.>>>> As far as 2011, who knows. I've heard all the gloomy predictions, I>> just have difficulty believing>> that any of them, players or mgmt., would allow a year to pass with no>> revenue. They also>> must realize that they would be jeopardizing the huge fan base they>> have worked so hard to develop.>>>> This is a business, we hear it all the time.>>>> Allowing a lockout would be a very poor business plan.>>>> Just My Opinion.................>>>> A J- Hide quoted text ->>>> - Show quoted text -> > Here is another fan's opinion on the possibiity of a lockout. I sure> hope he and you are correct!> > "Not going to happen. Take away the football context and look at this> as a business - which is what this is all about. The owners gave away> too large of a chunk to the players when the percentage of gross> revenue was pushed up in extending the CBA. That's the pivotal point> in the whole issue. The players got their salary cap numbers increased> substantially because of the years under the increased percentage, and> now it is at a very desirable level.> > That gives the owners significant leverage now in two ways: 1) The> players can afford to back off the percentage of gross revenue since> the cap is at a high number, knowing that they won't give any of the> acquired cap number back, and 2) The players as always are under a> very real constraint of time in regard to their careers. They can't> afford to lose a year of being paid at the current salaries with the> time/value of money, lose a year off their career year ceiling that> has a definite end of which they simply can't recover - they'll never> regain that lost money no matter what kind of agreement would be> struck under a lockout, not even close.> > Here's where I see this going: The owners will demand that the> percentage of gross revenues dedicated to the players be reduced by> about 2%. The players will howl and act offended and militantly> posture about being willing to take a one year hit in the lockout. The> owners will then offer to the players a reduction in the rookie cap -> something the owners desparately want because the top draft picks> simply cost way too much given the risk, and which is why high draft> picks are virtually untradable. The players kick & scream about it -> all the while secretely agreeing completely with it since that doesn't> reduce the amount of cap money going to vets, plus it salves the> resentment vets have of seeing untried rookies making so damned much> more than them - but will finally agree to it while they get additonal> benefits tied to franchise tags, etc. The owners can wait out the> players - they'll lose revenue from the league but they all have> additional income streams that the vast predominance of the players> can't even think about matching.> > It becomes a win-win for the owners and the players. The owners reduce> gross revenue percentage given to the players, the players get to make> their strong public stand and get some fringe benefits while not> losing a bit in cap space dedicated to vets, and both sides are very> quietly extremely happy for very different reasons about getting upper> eschelon rookie contracts under control.> > No one kills the golden goose that is NFL football, everyone gets to> look like they took a tough stance, and the only losers are the agents> and the incoming rookies. The agents don't have any say in the matter> since their licensing is controlled by the NFLPA, and the rookies of> future years don't have any say in the matter since they don't belong> to the NFLPA yet - plus the first rounders salaries and signing> bonuses are WAY out of hand and everyone knows it, including we poor> dumb-ass schlubs who love watching the game so much, so there will be> great fan empathy for the agreement.> > So, now that the truth has been exposed publicly and everryone knows> what the game is and who holds the leverage, the NFL and the NFLPA may> as well just concede to having their little game being exposed in> regard to how this will shake out, sit down, get this agreement done> with without all the posturing and rhetoric, and stop screwing with> the greatest pro sports league and one of the most lucrative> businesses ever created."> > And you don't think the owners have an AIG type insurance to take a season > off? I say there will be a lockout....and the owners will weather the storm > in hopes they totally break the union.

Papa, I doubt it. It would be so expensive & cover so little after the cost of the product that they are probably self-insuring. That the Cowboys & Pats, whose owners run the league, didn't spend $ this off season is enough to tell me that they are expecting the worst.

>American greed begets more> greed...and yes, the players are over paid...but not even in the ballpark > with the owners and what the league gets out of it. The owners will have > some scheme going so they can pull this off.

The owners have leverage. I am not sure what the average career is, vaguely I remember at one time the avg career of an OL is 11 games, so losing one year is 10% of a career if you play 10 years, 20% if you play 5. Losing a year kills the players. Losing two......

If the union boss has brain he cuts a deal far superior to what Upshaw did but w/o a strike. He needs to take care of the vets not the draftees which is really taking care of a few agents.

On Apr 30, 12:40 pm, Glenn Greenstein <lexa...@hotmail.com> wrote:> On Apr 30, 11:06 am, "Remy McSwain" <Paradis70...@gmail.com> wrote:>>>>>> > Innews:40cd0c03-f228-4c45-99fb-c22e0df7a321@i10g2000yqh.googlegroups.com,>> > Glenn Greenstein <lexa...@hotmail.com> wrote:> > > On Apr 28, 4:27 pm, "Remy McSwain" <Paradis70...@gmail.com>> > > wrote:> > >> Innews:6919f352-1657-45d4-bedc-62a3877a6c77@i10g2000yqh.googlegroups.com,>> > >> Glenn Greenstein <lexa...@hotmail.com> wrote:> > >>> On Apr 27, 7:53 pm,> > >>> Boy...@BOS001428.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--> > >>> so-tickle-me wrote:> > >>>> Glenn Greenstein <lexa...@hotmail.com> writes:> > >>>>> The reason you are a fan and why you even watch games is to> > >>>>> be entertained. the draft and all the little things written> > >>>>> and said to fans by the media and the CS is also done pure> > >>>>> and simply for entertainment value so it is fair to say that> > >>>>> BB is in the entertainment business as much as he is in the> > >>>>> pro-football business. I want to be entertained.>> > >>>> How is this true? Its a coach's job to entertain us with his> > >>>> words? Is it the player's job to do the same when they are> > >>>> being interviewed as well?>> > >>>> The thing I want is a very serious football player that is> > >>>> ready to do whatever it takes to win on Sunday. And then, with> > >>>> that, I'm entertained. I'm entertained because of the rawness> > >>>> of the competition, not because Chad ocho cinco does something> > >>>> funny after catching a ball.>> > >>>> --> > >>>> Galen Boyer>> > >>>> --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints:> > >>>> n...@netfront.net --->> > >>> And what you just described is entertaining and I personally am> > >>> entertained by that, not when a HC thinks he is so far above> > >>> everyone in an ivory tower that he answers a question in a way> > >>> that makes you think he thinks everyone in the audience and in> > >>> the room are so far beneath him that he can throw you any kind> > >>> of crumbs and you will say "Thank you sir, may I have another".>> > >> WOW! I have a feeling that you're very easily offended. The fact> > >> that he doesn't want the public to know more than he does may> > >> well be for many different reasons. Why would you assume that> > >> it's because he thinks he's above everyone else?>> > > Actually Remy, I think you have been immersed in BB's shit so> > > long that you can't tell when he is being rude or not. There are> > > ways of telling you something without belittling someone.> > > Stating the obvious when you answer a question is rude unless> > > you think you are speaking to a moron. When BB was asked how the> > > draft went, what would have been wrong with answering like this.> > > "It was fine. As you all know the draft takes a few years to> > > realize how you did but we made what we felt were the best> > > choices for the team".> > > See what I mean. That is also stating the obvious and give zero> > > insight to what the Pats were thinking going in and how they did> > > but without stating the obvious.>> > OK, Glenn. I frankly don't see how your wording would've been any> > less insulting by your own standards. Either stating the obvious is> > rude because it assumes that the audience is too ignorant to see> > that it's a non-answer in disguise, or it's not. Therefore, I could> > make just as good a case that your wording is just as insulting.>> > Anyway, I'm done beating this one around. As Galen said, when you> > take the whole body of the guys work on EEI, and on All Patriots> > Access, and in other forums, he comes off as anything but> > condescending. He's entertaining, humorous, and very informative.>> > But if passionate fans of arch-rival teams who envy the three SB> > rings he's earned partially at their team's expense, while it's been> > forever since their own team has even gotten to the game where they> > can win one for themselves, want to see him as condescending, then I> > guess they can find a way to do it. :-)>> Oh, I just love it when you Pat fans play the jealousy card. I should> be telling you that is getting old as well. How long has it been since> your team won a playoff game let alone a SB?-

you come across as far more boorish and loutish in this thread than bbever has. congratulations.

On May 2, 9:36 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:> On Sun, 2 May 2010 01:36:25 -0400, "papa.carl44" <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net> wrote:>> >"buRford" <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote in message> >news:g1vpt5luu9tdc6b5v5kr2kh2v9odcc0tvi@4ax.com...> >> On Sat, 1 May 2010 23:38:09 -0400, "papa.carl44"> >> <papadotc...@nospamverizon.net> wrote:>> >>>"Tutor" <dcat4...@yahoo.com> wrote in message> >>>news:6cc82432-676e-4f5e-bf83-3e854e601ab2@r34g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...> >>>On Apr 30, 1:52 pm, buRford <buRf...@buR.ford.com> wrote:> >>>> If the story is true, this guy must really be braindead. Rookie camp> >>>> started today, and> >>>> Holmes is acting like he's readying himself for Kindergarten. The guy> >>>> plainly doesn't get> >>>> it. The Jets may need to hire a chaperone for this guy.>> >>>> Report: 'Disruptive' Jets receiver Holmes escorted off flight in> >>>> Pittsburgh> >>>> NYPOST.COM STAFF> >>>> Last Updated: 1:38 PM, April 30, 2010> >>>> Posted: 12:00 PM, April 30, 2010>> >>>> New Jets wide receiver Santonio Holmes had to be escorted off a plane> >>>> Thursday night at> >>>> Pittsburgh International Airport, according to television station WPXI.>> >>>> The report says, "Investigators said it the incident happened shortly> >>>> after 9 p.m. They> >>>> said Holmes wasn't arrested but was escorted off the plane for what> >>>> investigators call> >>>> being a 'disruptive passenger.'">> >>>> Holmes was on a flight from Newark to Pittsburgh.>> >>>> KDKA TV in Pittsburgh reports, "Holmes was apparently told he had to> >>>> turn> >>>> off his iPod,> >>>> but he refused -- at which time he was removed from the flight. After he> >>>> spoke with> >>>> officials, he said he understood and was allowed back on the plane.">> >>>> Sources told The Post that Holmes was on his way to Las Vegas to see the> >>>> Floyd> >>>> Mayweather-Shane Mosley fight.>> >>>> Jets coach Rex Ryan said today he has not spoken to Holmes but planned> >>>> to> >>>> call him.>> >>>> "Sounds like it was kind of blown out of proportion by some media> >>>> outlets," Ryan said.> >>>> "Don't think it's as big as it was made out to be.">> >>>> Ryan did say, "Yes, he should have turned off his iPod.">> >>>> Holmes, 26, is suspended for the first four games of this coming season> >>>> for violating the> >>>> NFL's drug policy.>> >>>> The MVP of Super Bowl XLIII was traded by the Steelers to the Jets this> >>>> month in exchange> >>>> for a fifth-round draft pick. After the trade, Steelers president Art> >>>> Rooney II said,> >>>> "Clearly, Santonio is a very talented football player, but his multiple> >>>> violations of> >>>> league policies and the additional off-the-field problems led us to> >>>> conclude that it would> >>>> be in the best interest of our organization to part ways.">> >>>> This winter, Holmes was involved in an altercation in a Florida night> >>>> club> >>>> when he was> >>>> accused of throwing a glass at a woman. WPXI says, "In 2008, Holmes was> >>>> arrested for> >>>> possession of marijuana, and he was involved in a domestic violence> >>>> incident in 2006. The> >>>> misdemeanor charges were dismissed.">> >>>> At his introduction with the Jets, Holmes said repeatedly he was ready> >>>> to> >>>> take> >>>> responsibility for his behavior.>> >>>> "I'm just accountable for my actions, and right now, I'm accountable for> >>>> what happened and> >>>> I'm ready to move forward to start a new career here with the Jets,"> >>>> Holmes said on April> >>>> 12.>> >>>> Jets GM Mike Tannenbaum said then the Jets made the deal with Pittsburgh> >>>> "with our eyes> >>>> wide open.">> >>>> "We understand there are significant risks, but we thought the price was> >>>> reasonable and> >>>> the risk was reasonable," Tannenbaum said.>> >>>> Tannenbaum said the Jets were willing to gamble on Holmes because the> >>>> club> >>>> feels it has a> >>>> strong support system in place and that a player of Holmes' caliber> >>>> would> >>>> not have been> >>>> available without off-field issues.>> >>>Rex Ryan spoke to Santonio Holmes, and got his side of the story about> >>>what happened during a flight to Pittsburgh that was met on the ground> >>>by local police officers.>> >>>Holmes said that he was sleeping in the back of the plane as the> >>>flight attendant woke him and asked him to turn off his iPod. He told> >>>Ryan that he did, but didn't take out his earbuds. When the flight> >>>attendant returned, she asked him again and he said he had already> >>>complied, taking the earbuds out and having a woman sitting next to> >>>him confirm that there was no sound coming out.>> >>>When he arrived in Pittsburgh, Holmes told Ryan that he cooperated> >>>with the officers.>> >>>"When Santonio told me, I believed him," Ryan said.>> >>>That version of events would explain why the incident report filed on> >>>Thursday night with the Allegheny County Police Department states that> >>>a flight attendant reported Holmes did not turn off his iPod when> >>>asked, but that a later email from the same department said Holmes> >>>complied with the request.>> >>>The conflicting information -- did he turn off the iPod or not -- led> >>>to some confusion yesterday as the story broke. Neither document> >>>claims that Holmes had been disruptive or was taken off the plane by> >>>police, which was initially reported by WPXI in Pittsburgh.>> >>>After all this talk of iPods and earbuds, Holmes should see if he can> >>>get an endorsement deal with Apple.>> >>>Can you tell me why some passengers are allowed to wear sleep masks and> >>>put> >>>in ear plugs...but he can't have his ear buds in???? This sounds to me> >>>like> >>>the flight attendant was looking for something to create a problem with.>> >> I'd cut her/him some slack. They're not that bright, and they have to> >> deal with a lot of> >> tense, uptight people... not to mention all the craziness 9-11 brought to> >> our passenger> >> aviation system. Maybe she has to report any minor occurrence, out of the> >> ordinary?>> >What I'm saying is the last time I flew there were several very "straight"> >types with their sleep masks and ear plugs...asleep...but they were all> >juiced up about some kids with ear buds in....if you can't hear what is> >coming out of them why?? I'm guessing some half wit manual says that and> >never even thought of the ear plug deals. I hate to fly in general, I> >always seem to wind up sick.>> I used to fly a lot, and always had a walkman in my ear.> No problems. > I suspect it has more to do, with the possibility that some kind of radio signals, could> interfere with the plane's radio system?

I just can't believe this was actually picked up as a news story. Ishould have been in the news at least 4 or 5 times if this is thecase.