Notably the New Zealand Association of Scientists don’t take their “facts” with a pinch of salt:

“The clear statement is that the potential damage to New Zealand’s reputation, and economic benefit of “big-spending American tourists” outweighs the need for truth in public debate. This is an issue that the association takes very seriously.”

Ah, truth, do we have to be brought back to that?

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As one of many facts that Key dismisses because he “knows” otherwise, the unemployment rate couldn’t possibly be so high (7.3% – a record since Bill English was last Finance Minister…) because there weren’t enough people on the jobseekers benefit.

My dad got a very hefty redundancy payout from his last job in 2009 and was told by WINZ he wasn’t eligible for unemployment benefit because he had to use it up first. Any chance he could back-claim for that benefit?

It is possible the rules were different then. In the 80s redundancy pay was treated differently and I’m not sure of all the changes since then.

The policy linked to is the current policy.

A local advocacy group could find out the policy that applied at the time your father was made redundant. Check too how much of the redundancy was holiday pay retiring leave etc. those count as days still working.

Also see what evidence exists in your fathers or their records e.g. Record of phone call.

You generally have 3 months to review but can go outside of that for good reason.

It is always better to apply and get a decision than simply take verbal advice. That’s the most important advice I ever gave as an advocate. Still holds true.

Equating ‘Loving it’ and ‘100% Pure’ is classic Key-think, the former being subjective and the latter quantitative, but that doesn’t matter to Key, he can find plenty of other experts who will say the opposite and anyway, a shrug heals all hurts and he’s not bothered.
The sad thing is that people seem to swallow Key’s bullshit as it it was Farex.

Never more so than in Christchurch. Watch as the real people participants in the Christchurch rebuild are beginning to step back and say “lets just wait and let this bozo circus step up to the plate first”. Bozo Brownlee has created himself a millstone that everybody is beginning to notice. The heat is draining away from the blueprint. The people, sidelined, now watch from the sideline content with their hamper and picnic table. They are now used to the lack of a dining table. Less is beginning to happen. Christchurch is on the road to becoming New Zealands largest ever white elephant. It’s biggest donut.

The bully boy bozos of this government and their contempt for the people of Christchurch and Canterbury are beginning to have an effect and it is not good. Such a shame.

Good op ed piece from the Manwatu Standard yesterday on branding, marketing and the 100% pure issue.

Most people understand that advertising is about creating and enhancing desire, pulling a heartstring or two and selling a concept.

The collision with truth and integrity is where things can get interesting….

Perfection is a high standard, so it is clever or fortunate that we stay vague about where exactly we’re free of contamination. Completely free, absolutely free – not even a minuscule detectable level of impurity, you understand….

Well, I do not accept it is to our long-term advantage to promote nonsense, and – even if there is a compelling economic case – integrity is more important.It is also a bad look for any marketing person to lecture anyone else about motives behind messages….

Talk of Dr Joy being a traitor is silly given that 12-year-old pupils in Palmerston North are capable of coming to the same conclusion he has – that environmental purity has not been achieved in this nation. Nor has it been achieved in any nation, but New Zealand set itself up for a fall by being loose with its language.

Mr Unsworth was plainly upset Dr Joy dared embarrass the country by questioning a flawed message.

But the negative publicity was inevitable. One way to reduce the chances of being hurt by negative publicity is not to say preposterous things in the first place.

Grant Miller is the Manawatu Standard’s head of content and a politics junkie.

“Well, I do not accept it is to our long-term advantage to promote nonsense, and – even if there is a compelling economic case – integrity is more important.It is also a bad look for any marketing person to lecture anyone else about motives behind messages…. ”

karol, this part of Grant Miller’s piece would seem to encapsulate the integrity (or lack of) of Unsworth, NZ Herald anonymous editorial, and Minister Tim Groser.

Their modus operandi is on display for all to see. They cannot be believed again.

Their modus operandi is on display for all to see. They cannot be believed again.

Oh but they will be, its just that “they” will have a different name, perhaps like Norman, Robertson, Parker , pick a name….people will believe/hope/beg for change!

This country is run on corruption, (it could not be more clear these days), which propagates because these are people who can be controlled. They can be controlled because they have known actions in their pasts/present, which have/is/will be used against them.

Oh yes you have a point that the last labour lot also ran deception afetr deception to achieve their political ends. There is no doubt.

But what I see in the current lot is a corruption, as you say, and a deceit that far outstrips the last lot. This National lot are liars and thieves to an extent I don’t think NZ has witnessed probably ever. That is my opinion.

So it’s not ok to have a marketing campaign that claims that new zealand is 100% pure, but it is ok for labour to run an election campaign based on promises they can’t possibly fund as stated? “show me the money”

Its not the 10K houses pa, we are building 16K pa now. Its the belief that you can pick up 50,000 odd sections in Auckland for $50K a piece. This is the best bit of comedygold to go down in our smoko room for a long time. People in Akl are not idiots and they understand house prices and land costs.

Wierd how marketing for the labour party to attract votes has no possible relationship to NZ trying to attract tourists using marketing? yeah I can see how you might think that. But any excuse to attack the government right? It’s so funny how the traditional labour in opposition attack meme’s just aren’t being used at all. It’s like somehow labour and it’s supporters somehow believe that NZer’s don’t care about education and housing, or is it tacit acceptance that national is doing a good job. Such a good job in fact the only attacks labour and it’s supporters can come up with are only slightly connected to the real issues. Like trying to attack a positive marketing campaign in the middle of a worldwide recession where every country is fighting for tourist dollars. Such a smart move.

NZ can build 10K of houses in a year, the government can’t. look at the insulation and schools program in australia. also under a labour government.

It’s like somehow labour and it’s supporters somehow believe that NZer’s don’t care about education and housing, or is it tacit acceptance that national is doing a good job.

It could be that and I wouldn’t be surprised if it was that. Labour is, after all, a centre-right party that believes in the free-market almost as much as National and Act do. This is why we really need Labour to become a minor party.

a) so your best response is “they did it too” – you admit it is wrong then?
and
b) your example is then wrong – labour’s policies were fully costed by independent economists and seen to add up – surplus 1 year later, pay off the debt in the same year.

None of figures stacked up, no matter how much the fanbois wanted it to. no soundbites for you though, you haven’t passed economics. How much would the much vaunted CGT have raised by now? how many times over was that same amount spent on different things?

You do realise that Labour’s CGT wasn’t the money earner don’t you? It was the 39% tax rate. The CGT would raise some income for government but it’s real job was to alter the incentives for investment.

What’s strange about it? I know your intellectual inconsistency, AKA doublethink, allows you to believe that only the national party in government and a marketing campaign thought up by tourism new zealand should be so perfect and correct while the labour party lies it way through an election with a dubious marketing campaign. I at least am being consistent in my criticism of this criticism, as I am with most things.

Are you saying you didn’t vote for National in 2008 and 2011? If so then you are correct to state you are being consistent.

I didn’t vote for labour or National and do not condone lying by either. That seems to have rather put a fly in the ointment of your knowledge of my intellectual inconsistency. So, simple question, did you vote for National in 2008 and/or 2011 TR?

I Don’t see how voting National is being inconsistent with my statements today? I accept changes have to be made due to circumstance and not everything promised will be as such. That’s why I can quite rightly critique this criticism. Because it’s bullshit. a cheap and irrelevant attack by individuals and groups grasping at straws. I don’t demand perfection from the opposition, i demand an opposition that has intellectual integrity, I won’t get it till National lose however.

I am not demanding perfection of every utterance and every campaign from national. I see DPF posted the herald editorial that makes the point that this “academic” totally undoes there academic argument by indulging in hyperbole. which has been my point consistently. Don’t throw stones in glass houses. Trust lefty, right on, fucktards like DTB to not see the orwellian doublethink they are indulging in.

All it looks like to the average man/woman in the streets is that once again the left are purposely trying to throw spanners into the works in an attempt to make National look bad.

Who gives a fuck about the amount of money that will get wasted, the lost job opportunities and creation of wealth that’s badly needed in NZ., if political points can be scored against the evil tories.

“You haven’t been able to safely drink water from a NZ stream for a long long time.”

Exactly BM. Because people have been dumping the shit from their homes and their businesses into the public estate for far too long. This is now apparent. It is easily fixed but it is not being fixed – especially with the lard arses in this government. It seems you, like them, have no plan to clean up the house.

So I repeat my question to you “Fucking gross man – money money money ….. while living in shit. What would be the point BM?”

Quite right. The NZ voter cannot stand the Hobbit Haters of Labour who will brazenly walk the red carpet as total hypocrites. Grant (…) Robertson will smile and wave and self promote then head for the buffet table and the free wine.
National is about onwards and progress. Labour is stuck in backwards and nay saying.
I cannot understand the Labour strategy of constantly bagging every step of New Zealand progress to somehow bring down John Key. It is a spectacular own goal. It is one of the many reasons that the National party vote rose in 2011 from the result in 2008 despite the worst economic circumstances in living memory.
100% pure is just advertising speak. No one ever dreamed it would be taken literally. The people who did so are perhaps best described as the clowns.

Mining national 29 dead no new jobs !
Fishing slaving national not doing anything till 2014!
Forestry carbon offsets dead in the water!
hobbit national caved in and paid more than necessary just to break unions!
Reform means more poverty for more people!
Education National fuck up education again no benefit for reforms only higher cost to taxpayer!

You mean big business trying to have their cake and eat it too? Then getting nasty when the obvious truth gets pointed out.

How about safely swimming in the water then? Our lowland rivers are full of fecal matter and other toxic shit directly related to dairy intensification. It is about as far away from PURE as you can get.

Jobs and a fucked environment don’t need go hand in hand, if the spin was a true and accurate picture of what NZ is about then we would be having this discussion.

I would like us to measure up to the spin; if we worked towards it that would create jobs and wealth that would be sustainable for generations to come.

unbelievable that supposed ‘marketing’ gurus think it’s okay to say 100% pure and then not give a damn about the environmental degradation going on around them killing their goose. No more golden eggs for NZ tourism.

Spending a fotune to get here and then finding out your kids get sick if they paddle in the streams, and that you can’t fill your canteen on a bushwalk is news that soon gets around.

Mind you who gives a damn about tourism if you can increase your profits by not treating the milking shed effluent you’re quietly discharging into the local river.

You are wrong. There is a river in Marlborough (Wakamarina) which in 2005 was one of 5% of NZ rivers you could drink from according to WHO standards. What you don’t know (which apparently isn’t much) you make up!

You sure have a cheek coming on here making up shit you have no knowledge about B(loody) M(oron).
So how much land was cleared by the early Maori as they lay in waiting for Moa on the tracks that the huge bird had itself made through the forest?

I guess this acting the clown was the brighter future we have been patiently waiting for.

I’m Jewish/Christian/Agnostic
1981
Tranzrail shares
Lord Ashcroft
National Ltd™ would have sent troops into Iraq
Standard & Poors
“I didn’t say I want wages to drop”
“I won’t raise GST:
Capping, not cutting the public service,
“tax cuts north of $50 a week”
Privatisation won’t significantly help the economy
Wave goodbye to higher taxes, not your loved ones
“I never offered Brash a diplomatic job in London”
National Ltd™ won’t touch Kiwisaver
National Ltd™ is not going to radically reorganise the structure of the public sector
Tax cuts won’t require additional borrowing
National Ltd™ will tender out the government banking contract
“We [NZ] have grown for eight of the last nine quarters”
“…we will be back in surplus by 2014-15…”
“…unemployment is starting to fall…”
“…we have created 45,000 jobs…”
“…we are likely to create 170,000 jobs in the next 4 years…”
“I don’t own a vineyard”
The Isreali spy killed in the Christchurch quake had “only one” passport
The Police will not need to make savings by losing jobs
GCSB x 3 (that we know about)
“I voted to keep the drinking age at 20″
New Zealand is 100% pure””

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