SportsFan wrote:I say season suspension.. Apparently he left the bench( Automatic 10 games), plus 3 Game Misconducts in 2 games..

Hopefully he is done in a Penguin uniform, Take Roy with him.

Fights are so dumb. That fight had no barring on the game whatsoever.

Are you sure he left the bench? I didn't see the extra replays but during the skirmish there were only 5 Pens players near the area, if Cairns left the bench there would have been 6 players. We'll see though, I only wish Cairns would have made the spear count instead of just a little tickle it appeared to be. THe guy who tried to clip Crosby should also get a suspension as well as Murray.

Most of you are missing the point. We NEED Roy and/or Cairns. Crosby is targeted not only because he is a star player and the Penguins best player (neutralizing him shuts down a lot of their offense). But teams have also proven that they can irritate Crosby and throw off his game with cheap shots, even get him to take misconduct or retaliation penalties.

Crosby should never be the one having to retaliate. Having at least one heavyweight in the lineup WILL PROLONG CROSBY'S CAREER. It is a MUST. Chara mugged Sid several times. Mezzaros clipped him, taking out his knee. Neil was overly physical as well. Praise should go to Surovy for intervening, but teams need to FEAR being rough with Crosby.

I say, bring up Dennis Bonvie until Cairns comes back. Opposing teams should know that they either play Sid clean, or they eat multiple fists.

Additionally, we need the right guy to answer the Derian Hatcher bell in the final meeting with the Flies 4/11. The dental work he did on Sid was inexcusable, and must be dealt with in a swift and physical manner in that game.

pensfannn wrote:Most of you are missing the point. We NEED Roy and/or Cairns. Crosby is targeted not only because he is a star player and the Penguins best player (neutralizing him shuts down a lot of their offense). But teams have also proven that they can irritate Crosby and throw off his game with cheap shots, even get him to take misconduct or retaliation penalties.

Crosby should never be the one having to retaliate. Having at least one heavyweight in the lineup WILL PROLONG CROSBY'S CAREER. It is a MUST. Chara mugged Sid several times. Mezzaros clipped him, taking out his knee. Neil was overly physical as well. Praise should go to Surovy for intervening, but teams need to FEAR being rough with Crosby.

I say, bring up Dennis Bonvie until Cairns comes back. Opposing teams should know that they either play Sid clean, or they eat multiple fists.

Additionally, we need the right guy to answer the Derian Hatcher bell in the final meeting with the Flies 4/11. The dental work he did on Sid was inexcusable, and must be dealt with in a swift and physical manner in that game.

Im with you, what other drama is there for us this season? I am happy that I like the goonery because it does make me feel better about my team when I see them out there sacrificing and fighting for each other.

Bonvie is unbeleiveably bad skill wise. I fear he may put the puck in his own net several times because he sucks so bad.

SportsFan wrote:I think carrying fighters is so usless.. Look at the success Detriot had, have they carried a fighter.

Winning games and beating your opponent is the way to go.

Hockey fights are useless.

I hear this a lot. And you know what? I'm damn tired of it (no offense to you, SportsFan).

Yeah, yeah, the best way to win is on the scoreboard. It's a nice theory, but our team is out of the playoffs by a country mile and people are still taking cheap shots at our franchise player. It's been going on all year. It has to stop. I don't want to hear about how fights don't solve anything, or how the only thing that matters is the win. I'm tired of the excuses for the lack of physicality from the Penguins.

Other teams have to learn that if they mess with the Franchise, they are going to pay in blood. Period. You can never stop everybody from trying to take runs at him, but you have to make them realize that there is a real price attached. Otherwise it will continue unabated until Crosby is seriously hurt. What then?

SportsFan wrote:I think carrying fighters is so usless.. Look at the success Detriot had, have they carried a fighter.

Winning games and beating your opponent is the way to go.

Hockey fights are useless.

Are you kidding? Look at Darren Mccarty. The infamous Claude Lemiuex incident. Mccarty is an ideal enforcer. He can add offense and fight. Mccarty is one tough SOB, and his presence on that team has helped to keep people from taking liberties at the Red Wings star players.

Jim wrote:He didn't "get" anything... he had to pay $50 and pick up the garbage.

Walk right in it's around the back
Just a half a mile from the railroad track
You can get, anything you want, at Alice's Restuarant.....

Excepting Alice!

And I started jumpin up and down yelling, "KILL, KILL," and
he started jumpin up and down with me and we was both jumping up and down
yelling, "KILL, KILL." And the sargent (MT) came over, pinned a medal on me,
sent me down the hall, said, "You're our boy."

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LOL! Spoken like a true Pens fan. Detroit was the exception to the norm, yet they still had Mccarty to police themselves and Kocur even appeared in games in 96. It's easier to point out one team like Detroit who won a cup with no fighters because that pretty much is one of the only teams to accomplish winning a cup with a relatively non fighting team. They also won a cup without a legti No 1 goaltender, are you saying that every team should go the same route?

Go back and you'll see almost every team that has won the cup the past 20 years has had someone to protect their players.

SportsFan, I really enjoyed Olympic and World Junior hockey this year and there was no fighting in either tournament. However, NHL hockey is different - it is a North American influenced sport with international players - not the other way around. Physical play, and fighting, are a part of the NHL - and it likely always will be.

Now, since fighting is a part of the NHL, then the Penguins need to adjust to that environment accordingly. They have a player in Sid Crosby who is targeted for physical play by other teams. And if the length of his career is a concern to anyone in the organization, then the Pens need a physical presence to counteract that. Yes, that means they need a heavyweight enforcer. Ideally, even two (Note: With Cairns ejected, and Roy in the locker room with a misconduct, for what I don't know, we had no enforcer available at game's end last night). Do I hear three??

I like having Roy on Sid's line. Once teams get the message that there is a consequence for roughing up Crosby, they will stop doing it, or at least be VERY WARY of doing it.

DelPen wrote:Are you sure he left the bench? I didn't see the extra replays but during the skirmish there were only 5 Pens players near the area, if Cairns left the bench there would have been 6 players.