the legend modes a bit of a joke now, started 1st and purposely dropped to 24th for some excitement, still managed to win on 20% distance in a lotus haha

best way to have fun though, the overtakes are great!

Yeah, and though people are complaining a lot about the AI... I've had some good races against them. Especially on Legends level they really try to bully you in the brakezone. Yesterday evening I had a scrap with the virtual Massa... I was on the inside line and the bastard just pushed me off the track...

Don't drop to 24th, just start 24th Monaco is probably the most fun track for overtaking. You can easily get 5 or 6 down at the end of S1 when they stay single file, but into the Casino Square, if you stay with them on Massinet, they swing left and you can dive up the inside on the right. Did a couple of sweet moves there.

I just find that the other cars aren't that fast down the straights, makes tracks like China too easy One fun thing to do is - in practice - have a soaking wet track and use dry tyres. Its very fun trying to keep on the road

Don't drop to 24th, just start 24th Monaco is probably the most fun track for overtaking. You can easily get 5 or 6 down at the end of S1 when they stay single file, but into the Casino Square, if you stay with them on Massinet, they swing left and you can dive up the inside on the right. Did a couple of sweet moves there.

I just find that the other cars aren't that fast down the straights, makes tracks like China too easy One fun thing to do is - in practice - have a soaking wet track and use dry tyres. Its very fun trying to keep on the road

i start 1st to try and get the achievement for 41 poles converted to wins

Another thing they should add! Penalties for the other cars - it's bad enough that they regularly ruin hot laps and cause crashes needlessly but the fact that you are the only car on the grid that can receive penalties leaves a sour taste. Alonso and Hamilton just fluffed my Monaco Q3 and I was on for a 1.17 with a pole to go along with it, send them to the dungeons ffs. Doubt they'd be able to impliment it properly though.

F1 2010 is not a simulation, we have to be honest about it. But the immersion by virtue of the graphics is stunning.

About looking to apex: I've just modded my rFactor F1 2009 game to do it. It does not help at the moment because the looking is connected to the steering movement. I discovered I make a lot of tiny corrections during entry which makes the head and vision shake. So it's indeed less ideal than I thought.

The term "simulation" is heavily abused in gaming. (sony, looking at you)

Sims are actually not fun, they are far too serious for my taste and require OCD to master.

F12010 would be perfect if it were finished or properly supported with bug fixes.

F1 2010 would be perfect if you had a slider ranging from 60 to 130 percent (like in rFactor) with which you can adjust the strength of the AI. I once raced a complete season in the 1979 F1 mod in rFactor, and fine-adjusted the AI very race so my teammate was as quick or a little bit quicker than myself. And I took care that the AI used the same setup as I did.

Per-fect races I got that way. If you had that with the graphics of the 2010 game... mouthwatering!

Ehm no. The AI have different physics than the driver's car. They accelerate faster, are too fast in one corner and too slow in the otther, it just doesn't make sense.

True, but that doens't bother me too much. For instance, in every F1 game I've played the AI cars are ridiculously late brakers in the chicanes... if the overal laptime is equal, you can still have some good races.

Realism? Alonso couldn't overtake Petrov last year, you want that from a console video game? There are plenty of sims out there for those of you who want to follow the car infront for 55 laps, other people like fun - I'm glad codemasters have catered for those people.

Realism? Alonso couldn't overtake Petrov last year, you want that from a console video game? There are plenty of sims out there for those of you who want to follow the car infront for 55 laps, other people like fun - I'm glad codemasters have catered for those people.

The term "simulation" is heavily abused in gaming. (sony, looking at you)

Sims are actually not fun, they are far too serious for my taste and require OCD to master.

F12010 would be perfect if it were finished or properly supported with bug fixes.

I agree, but from memory codemasters never said it was going to be a "sim", i remember specifically T4RG4 saying that it wasn't going to be a sim but it was going to have sim aspects included, i can't imagine a console game is ever going to be a sim, its all about mass appeal. Im just fine with it not being a sim because it would be bloody hard trying to drive a fully simmed F1 car, a good, fun but slightly challenging game is fine by me.

I'll stick to Rfactor and GTR evo for my sim action and use F1 when i want some good ol' fun.

I just bought f1 2010 and I'm running it through windows 7, with a logitech g25.

Can anyone give me some good advice on what wheel setting I should go for? My current set-up doesn't feel great - especially through slow corners

Are you struggling in terms of Force Feedback (codemasters FFB code has been utter S**** since dirt) or in terms of the 'wheel in car' not turning as much as you are? To be very honest it didnt feel great with my xbox360 wheel either. Try turning the weight up just a little, might help in the slower stuff.

Are you struggling in terms of Force Feedback (codemasters FFB code has been utter S**** since dirt) or in terms of the 'wheel in car' not turning as much as you are? To be very honest it didnt feel great with my xbox360 wheel either. Try turning the weight up just a little, might help in the slower stuff.

The force feedback is there, I just have no knowledge of how to set the wheel up.

The car/driver doesn't seem to have much steering lock - around 180. Is this normal.

Also, I can't find anywhere outside the game where I can adjust settings - I downloaded software from logitech.com, and I though there was a way of playing with the settings outside of games?

This is strange and embaressing to admit.. I got this game when it first came out, was babysitting a cat and couldn't race properly because it was a Siamese and was always demanding attention and during online races you can't pause. Once the cat went back to it's owner, I somehow got out of the habit of racing and it's taken 6 months for me to get off my butt and try out this game properlly.

The eye candy is amazing. The force feedback with G25 feels great (I don't know how it's supposed to feel in real life to compare but yeah) and the driving experience is alot better then expected. Going through S1 of Silverstone was breaktaking, through the hands and eyes and ears.. everything. Best feeling ever, and Abu Dahbi looks great too with the sunset.

Haven't done much racing offline, that's for noobs and the race I had the AI seems to suck on even the hardest setting. I don't mean pace, I mean the braking points are in the wrong spots and the speed of the lap is wrong vs a human driver.

I've been doing some time trials against ghost cars though and making setups for each track to race online (having 30 secs to setup your car SUCKS). The setups react alot better then expected, some of the tracks like Spa the top speed is too high but overall.. the mechanical grip, the aero and the way the car feels through different tracks is really impressive. Condering it's not a sim. You can go crazy on engine braking (no engine blow or rear lock) and there is no diff settings to adjust for it.. so that makes braking a bit easier but overall it's good.

You might feel like the even with no TC the car feels stable but as you trim the setup to make the car have the optimum time on low fuel it does get very twitchy on the throttle. That's with new tyres, it's even worse when they are heavily worn. It's just another way to get the car to turn in at times and to get the best exits.. it feels different at Montreal compared to Hungary but the setups different too. I have raced against some ghost laps on the leaderboard to see how the ultra fast people are gaining the time and overall it's pretty impressive considering this was the first version of the game.

I've always wanted Rfactor + NFS graphics and this is awfully close. I am not comparing the driving experience to Rfactor or Iracing but to the TV.. on onboards of pole laps for the last few years + top speeds, live timing etc. What these cars are capable of in real life vs in the game. Alot better then expected and not anything like other Codemasters games I've played in the past, where the corner and top speeds were all out of wack and it was a full on arcade game for kids.

I raced an rFactor league a few years ago with 2006 BMW Sauber physics (official mod) that had TC enabled, and this feels closer to reality. It's hard to compare the modern rFactor mods because they are amateur made. The real life F1 cars have changed so much in the last few years, so much effeciency and downforce. The setups are simplified, and some things are missing like telemetry and engine blowups due to downshifting too quickly. No tyre pressures and very simplified fuel system. But the basic driving experience is quite good.. and besides that.. all of the cars mean nothing unless the tracks are nice and this games tracks are beautiful and most of the bumps are there. A couple of curbs are wrong here or there but it's a huge improvement over the amateur made rFactor tracks. These tracks converted in rFactor with an officially made F1 mod (like BMW Sauber 2011) would be interesting.

The setup variables are simple but I can't flaw them very much. I've seen some people complain that the weight balance for example is unrealistic but there are presets (like aero upgrades) for every track and 100% rear doesn't literally mean 100% rear but the furtherist back in the range of adjustability they have. 46-56% etc. It seems to work very well too, like shifting it back for Monaco or fowards for Silverstone or Suzuka. Same with the wings, 1-1 wings at Spa is different to 1-1 wings at Monaco. I love tinkering with setups and making my own to suit my driving style and I can't flaw anything setup wise so far. Only that the camber can't be assymetric. In an ideal world, the user would have the option of this setup or an advanced mode which is like rFactor but can't have everything.

Overall.. Alot of fun racing people online and not completely unrealistic either.

Replays of online racing, spectating others while you are in the pits and being unable to chat with people who aren't on your friends list.. those are my biggest grievances. Nothing to do with the cars, the handling, the tracks etc. *shock*

This is strange and embaressing to admit.. I got this game when it first came out, was babysitting a cat and couldn't race properly because it was a Siamese and was always demanding attention and during online races you can't pause. Once the cat went back to it's owner, I somehow got out of the habit of racing and it's taken 6 months for me to get off my butt and try out this game properlly.

The eye candy is amazing. The force feedback with G25 feels great (I don't know how it's supposed to feel in real life to compare but yeah) and the driving experience is alot better then expected. Going through S1 of Silverstone was breaktaking, through the hands and eyes and ears.. everything. Best feeling ever, and Abu Dahbi looks great too with the sunset.

Haven't done much racing offline, that's for noobs and the race I had the AI seems to suck on even the hardest setting. I don't mean pace, I mean the braking points are in the wrong spots and the speed of the lap is wrong vs a human driver.

I've been doing some time trials against ghost cars though and making setups for each track to race online (having 30 secs to setup your car SUCKS). The setups react alot better then expected, some of the tracks like Spa the top speed is too high but overall.. the mechanical grip, the aero and the way the car feels through different tracks is really impressive. Condering it's not a sim. You can go crazy on engine braking (no engine blow or rear lock) and there is no diff settings to adjust for it.. so that makes braking a bit easier but overall it's good.

You might feel like the even with no TC the car feels stable but as you trim the setup to make the car have the optimum time on low fuel it does get very twitchy on the throttle. That's with new tyres, it's even worse when they are heavily worn. It's just another way to get the car to turn in at times and to get the best exits.. it feels different at Montreal compared to Hungary but the setups different too. I have raced against some ghost laps on the leaderboard to see how the ultra fast people are gaining the time and overall it's pretty impressive considering this was the first version of the game.

I've always wanted Rfactor + NFS graphics and this is awfully close. I am not comparing the driving experience to Rfactor or Iracing but to the TV.. on onboards of pole laps for the last few years + top speeds, live timing etc. What these cars are capable of in real life vs in the game. Alot better then expected and not anything like other Codemasters games I've played in the past, where the corner and top speeds were all out of wack and it was a full on arcade game for kids.

I raced an rFactor league a few years ago with 2006 BMW Sauber physics (official mod) that had TC enabled, and this feels closer to reality. It's hard to compare the modern rFactor mods because they are amateur made. The real life F1 cars have changed so much in the last few years, so much effeciency and downforce. The setups are simplified, and some things are missing like telemetry and engine blowups due to downshifting too quickly. No tyre pressures and very simplified fuel system. But the basic driving experience is quite good.. and besides that.. all of the cars mean nothing unless the tracks are nice and this games tracks are beautiful and most of the bumps are there. A couple of curbs are wrong here or there but it's a huge improvement over the amateur made rFactor tracks. These tracks converted in rFactor with an officially made F1 mod (like BMW Sauber 2011) would be interesting.

The setup variables are simple but I can't flaw them very much. I've seen some people complain that the weight balance for example is unrealistic but there are presets (like aero upgrades) for every track and 100% rear doesn't literally mean 100% rear but the furtherist back in the range of adjustability they have. 46-56% etc. It seems to work very well too, like shifting it back for Monaco or fowards for Silverstone or Suzuka. Same with the wings, 1-1 wings at Spa is different to 1-1 wings at Monaco. I love tinkering with setups and making my own to suit my driving style and I can't flaw anything setup wise so far. Only that the camber can't be assymetric. In an ideal world, the user would have the option of this setup or an advanced mode which is like rFactor but can't have everything.

Overall.. Alot of fun racing people online and not completely unrealistic either.

Replays of online racing, spectating others while you are in the pits and being unable to chat with people who aren't on your friends list.. those are my biggest grievances. Nothing to do with the cars, the handling, the tracks etc. *shock*

Didn't read all of that, but I did read the bit about S1 at Silverstone. The track is actually wrong - they made the wrong configuration. The last corner leading onto the Hanger Straight is actually far too tight and is the MotoGP lay-out not the F1 layout, which is hopefully something they will correct for this year

I would be happy to argue the merits of whether or not this game's "driving" (not the telemetry or more advanced options) are sim or not, as I've been racing online since F1 Challenge in 2004 or so. Through GTR, GTR2, Rfactor, iRacing etc. I'm that guy that can drive 3 or 4 hours by myself on one track making setups.

Just did an online 100% race and the tyre wear and wet racing is anything but arcade like. I'm not about to reread all these pages though, I hope you can appreciate that.

I had to race wet race at Canada just now with default setup because I took too long typing that message above and the countdown expired. It's funny cause I never bought into the hype, never posted anything in the MANY pages of arguements and speculation for months leading up the release.. and now it's however many months on and I'm trying to hype it and everyone else is probably sick of it or worried about the 2011 version. Reminds of me Rfactor, people were talking about Rfactor2 back in 2007, and it's 4 years later and still no release. What's wrong with me and why am I always opposite of everyone else.. but at least I've found something that scratches the itch for the time being.

Yeah I noticed that about Silverstone but I meant the feeling of immersion and sense of speed with the graphics and force feedback. It's only one minor glitch on what is around 20 tracks. What I am concerned with mainly is the car physics.. what people think of them. All of my problems with 2010's version are things other then the driving experience. Lack of specating others, lack of chatting with people who aren't on your firends list. No replays of online races etc. In the cockpit itself I'm not seeing many problems? It's maybe a tad easier on traction then other sims, but these modern F1 cars are ridiculously grippy. Even back in 2006 or 2007 Nando was able to floor throttle and shake wheel side to side behind SC's without spinning. Good luck doing that in Rfactor or other sims. I think if you have problems about how these modern cars handle you should complain to FIA. It's not so gripply on red worn tyres or in the wet either.

And time trial setups, and race setups are two completely different things. Just like in any sim, you can optimise for little or no fuel, or for full tanks.. which is FAR from easy to drive especially once the tyres wear away. Time trial times are like fantasy so we can't compare the speeds or driving lines, as they are different. For race setups for proper long races, aids off.. it's not so easy. I don't see any obvious flaws.

I would say overall Codemasters have done an amazing job of combining skill and fun. And the online races I've seen with aids off (rare) there was only 5 or 6 that survived olong enough, but it felt exactly like a league race. Had a great one at Turkey yesterday, 4 of us within 2 seconds for 14 laps or so. The aids on crowd are usaully more childish and ramming but it's still good fun.

I am curious if anyone here still races online. Especially during the weekends with F1 on.

I had to race wet race at Canada just now with default setup because I took too long typing that message above and the countdown expired. It's funny cause I never bought into the hype, never posted anything in the MANY pages of arguements and speculation for months leading up the release.. and now it's however many months on and I'm trying to hype it and everyone else is probably sick of it or worried about the 2011 version. Reminds of me Rfactor, people were talking about Rfactor2 back in 2007, and it's 4 years later and still no release. What's wrong with me and why am I always opposite of everyone else.. but at least I've found something that scratches the itch for the time being.

Yeah I noticed that about Silverstone but I meant the feeling of immersion and sense of speed with the graphics and force feedback. It's only one minor glitch on what is around 20 tracks. What I am concerned with mainly is the car physics.. what people think of them. All of my problems with 2010's version are things other then the driving experience. Lack of specating others, lack of chatting with people who aren't on your firends list. No replays of online races etc. In the cockpit itself I'm not seeing many problems? It's maybe a tad easier on traction then other sims, but these modern F1 cars are ridiculously grippy. Even back in 2006 or 2007 Nando was able to floor throttle and shake wheel side to side behind SC's without spinning. Good luck doing that in Rfactor or other sims. I think if you have problems about how these modern cars handle you should complain to FIA. It's not so gripply on red worn tyres or in the wet either.

And time trial setups, and race setups are two completely different things. Just like in any sim, you can optimise for little or no fuel, or for full tanks.. which is FAR from easy to drive especially once the tyres wear away. Time trial times are like fantasy so we can't compare the speeds or driving lines, as they are different. For race setups for proper long races, aids off.. it's not so easy. I don't see any obvious flaws.

I would say overall Codemasters have done an amazing job of combining skill and fun. And the online races I've seen with aids off (rare) there was only 5 or 6 that survived olong enough, but it felt exactly like a league race. Had a great one at Turkey yesterday, 4 of us within 2 seconds for 14 laps or so. The aids on crowd are usaully more childish and ramming but it's still good fun.

I am curious if anyone here still races online. Especially during the weekends with F1 on.

i race online a fair bit though i am only half decent and i also quite like the game but i get annoyed when other cars hit me. if u want to ever race me, my name is dirtymagic291 and you will probs beat me. what level are you??

I know what you mean.. a part of it is just self perservation and avoiding people you might think are reckless but I know that's easy to say that here and now. Versus in the heat of the moment or if someone just rams you. If you let a reckless guy overtake you, he ll usually spin off after a few corners anyway.

Done for today, but I'll add you next time I login. Not sure what level I am now (who wins isn't so important, it's all a bit of fun anyway).. I've only been racing online a week but it's been a lot of catching up for lost time. It really just feels like every other F1 mod/sim I've ever tried, have been able to fit into it like a glove. Stopped driving for 18 months or so but it seems ingrained, plus never stopped watching TV and posting here. Only thing was adjusting to how Codemasters does things, like setup/pit stops/engine modes etc. Hardest thing is the tyre wear IMO because the race fuel + tyre wear sim really makes the balance change alot from start to the end of the race. Prefer sprint F1 like 2006..

Just wanted to post a screencap of one of the best races I've ever had.. it was at Budapest, 21 laps or so. Seemed I had some extra wing vs the others.. at the start of stints I was slower but at the end I was better + a bit faster in the 2 fast corners. Was really hard to overtake though, lots of side by side but too slow in a straight line to make moves stick. I pitted 1 lap later then everyone else on the softer tyres so that one one lap less on the hards. Found a great rhythm on the hards.. but towards the end the grip was low and there was a fine line between getting a good exit or spinning. Almost gotta pretend it's wet.

Leopard had lower wing and in the last few laps of every stint would start to struggle. There was the guy on pole catching up to us behind. Our squabbles and nibbles at each other helped him catch up too. The start of the last lap in 2nd place and it was "deep breath" time for a quali lap.. with worn hard tyres! Went past the car infront with 2 corners to go and we were side by side in the last 2 corners.. on the outside of the final corner and deep breath while I hoped I wasn't smashed into the wall.

There was some finger waving and yes yes yes yes yes yes yes afterwards. Big thrill for such a silly little arcade game. Had a bit of luck but even if I was crashed out in last turn it was still a great battle all race long. Within 2 seconds with each other whole race. I jumped him in the stop but he got me at the start of the 2nd stint. Then I couldn't get back past until 2 corners to go.

is there many people that play pc because out of everyone i know that has this game you are the only one i that has it in on pc.yeah it is a shame, though that is one less person that can beat me online ;)

It's just that I spent money on a PC and wheel that can handle sims/games like rFactor or iRacing, or editing movie files or whatever and it seems pointless to spend extra on a console box. For what would be soley for this or one or two other things. I'm not a big fan of playing games just for the sake of playing games.. like the latest shooter or racing game etc. (Ironic, condering how obsessed I get with a game that has F1 cars in it.)

It sucks to be divided.. Yeah there are people who race online.. not a huge amount.. but enough to make it worthwhile, especially at peak times. Mostly Euros.

It's just that I spent money on a PC and wheel that can handle sims/games like rFactor or iRacing, or editing movie files or whatever and it seems pointless to spend extra on a console box. For what would be soley for this or one or two other things. I'm not a big fan of playing games just for the sake of playing games.. like the latest shooter or racing game etc. (Ironic, condering how obsessed I get with a game that has F1 cars in it.)

It sucks to be divided.. Yeah there are people who race online.. not a huge amount.. but enough to make it worthwhile, especially at peak times. Mostly Euros.

yeah fair enough, i had the best online race today myself actually. all 12 people in a full season though only 3 laps, 6 people stuck around till the end and i won 5 races, i also just only play this game online and even though you occassionly get punted off and is a good way to get away from career mode

I posted in another thread then realised there is a devoted F1-2010 game thread. My feedback would be somehow allowing "spectator only" access to races, better live timing and fastest lap stats. Also being able to record online races to the PS3 HDD would be good!

I am involved in an online championship - and we all have to set up video cameras to record our races. We are taking the season pretty seriously and started doing race reports and lots of email banter - so suddenly we ended up with a whole website devoted to the championship! As i have said elsewhere, definitely a bit over the top but everyone is having a fun time with it. You can check it out below :