WTF?! Street Fighter x Tekken Angry Rant!

WTF? Capcom. Seriously? Shoryuken has discovered that there are 12 Embedded DLC Characters on the Disc for both the Xbox and Playstation 3. Also, the Xbox version is unable to go online with 2 local players for tag team despite the manual stating specifically that it can.

*Note* Mega-Man and Pac-Man who are advertised as PS3 & Vita exclusive are on the Xbox 360 disc. Now, Capcom says that PS3 owners will get this free, while Xbox 360 owners will need to pay. (For content that is already on their disc).

*Note 2* When asked about the No Local Online Co-op for Xbox, Capcom Posted this Response:

“PS3 version: It is possible to mix and match online and offline players for scramble battles and pair play battles. Two local players can play on the same PS3 using 1 PSN ID, and play against other players online.

360 version: It is NOT possible to mix and match online and offline players for scramble battles and pair play battles. So you either have to have all players be offline and local (so 4 players, 1 xbox) or have all the players be online (4 players, 4 xboxs).

The reason for this difference is because of the architecture differences between gamertags and PSN IDs. I’m not sure of the technical details, but basically it amounts to: Sony made it so you can mix and match online and offline, and Microsoft made it so you can’t.” -Christian Svensson

But then how is this possible for Mortal Kombat? In which you can do exactly that. Is this a Lie from Capcom? A money saving issue? Exclusive Sony Deal? or Microsoft’s Fault? I’ll try to get a straight answer if I ever get to speak with them again.

What they are doing violates their standards of integrity and business ethics, and their false advertising, and their failure to make known that features are missing from their game so customers can make an informed purchasing decision, is illegal.

And then I filed a complaint with the Federal Trade Commission. Their false advertisement and lack of disclosure on this violates FEDERAL law (in particular the FTC Act), and is not just shady, not just unethical, but is ILLEGAL. Not questionably; entirely.

You want to actually make a difference? Yes, vote with your wallet, but that won’t help. All that content is finished and was in the original budget; if even one person buys it, they just made a profit.

Go further. File a complaint with the Better Business Bureau and the Federal Trade Commission. They can, and they WILL, act on customer’s behalf. Their entire purpose is geared towards consumer protection and forcing companies to adhere to federal laws. Capcom has not. Don’t let them get away with it.

I haven’t. I love video games; I MAKE video games; but this industry cannot afford to lose its integrity. I will support games I love, but NO company, no matter how big and how invincible they think they are, should ever be allowed to get away with this. I won’t let it happen.

And I know you feel the same, Joe. Thank you for drawing this matter to a wider audience. Now let’s do something about it.

FUCK CAPCOM!
I’m going to skip STREET FIGHTER X TEKKEN so freakin’ hard, never even bother to make any eye contact with that piece of crap.

I’m also curious about other Capcom games. Will we have to deal with ASURA’S WRATH – THE RAGE EDITION in the future? Or DRAGON’S DOGMA – THE DRAGON KILLER EDITION? Or any kind of DEVIL MAY CRY day one DLC’s?

I’m actually looking forward to the new DMC game, but when I think about the fact that Capcom has kinda it’s greedy fingers in the game, I’m thinking about skiping it as well, but I’m probably still going to buy it on the day one. The fear remains though.

But yeah, no way I’m paying money for STREET FIGHTER X TEKKEN. I simply don’t want to support that bullshit and I really hope that more people have the same opinion and that the game will sell poorly. That they struggle to earn back the money they spent on the game, but that’s actually very doubtful.

I hate greedy people, we are into a deep world crisis, and this is not the time for those kind of greedy bastards to live among us. And I specially hate LIARS.

Just for that, I will rate CAPCOM as 1\5. It’s not the good old capcom that it used to be. Nowadays they are just some greedy bastards who don’t care about making people happy with their coding, like they used to long time ago.

It would have been better if the characters were unlockable, but Capcom sees it as a way to make more money and take less pleasure out of playing the game. What would be the point of playing the game if there isn’t an incentive to play arcade or challenge mode? Imagine Street Fighter IV needed an unlock key for you to access all 9 locked characters. DLC should always be used for content that never existed in the main game. It keeps player invested in a game even if it stopped being the flavor of the month. If they wanted to charge more for the game, then why didn’t it cost more than $60 at launch (special edition doesn’t count). I can imagine the PC version of this game will get hacked to make these characters playable if they decide to pull the same crap as the console versions. Finding hidden and unimplemented features in a game was cool back then mainly due to the fact that it gave an idea of how development went for the game. Such as seeing an Arwing in Ocarina of Time, the Czar Dragon in Final Fantasy VI, or the Hot Coffee mini game in San Andreas (that one not so much). If these were characters that they were testing with and forgot to remove from the final product would be okay, but most of them are already finished which is not okay. Many games have the same type of on-disc DLC and many of the publishers and developers say it is an easier way to get content to customers. I have one question for them, what is this large hard drive in my system for? It’s meant for storing large files or DLC. This isn’t DLC, it’s BSC (Bull S*** Content).

I will say one thing positive about all this.
It pisses Joe off and thats entertaining.
I was never going to buy Tekken X Street Fighter because I regret buying Marvel Vs Capcom 3.
I’m not that big a fighter fan anyway.
I am keeping an eye out for a different Capcom game.
Dragon’s Dogma looks very promising but I’m worried that they’ll do this DLC crap on that too. Just because I’m not interested in this game doesn’t mean I won’t notice it later when it is a game I’m interested in.
If they do it with Dragon’s Dogma than I’ll be just as pissed as Joe and I know EXACTLY what to do with this.
The simple truth of it is the game can be the best game ever but I will never support a company that does this and think they can get away with it. So I will never buy a game that has it NEVER.

The solution is simple. Piracy. Pirate Capcoms games until they decide to treat us with respect and support companies that deserve it with your hard earned cash.

This year already I have bought and payed for multiple games like ME3, Soul Calibur V, Kingdoms of Amalur and more. I pirated Street Fighter x Tekken and I do not regret that decision in the slightest.

In my personal opinion there is only one real way to fix this. That would be to, as you said, vote with our wallets. It’s better to let a few good games go by and not buy them to show as gamers we mean business. If people continue to buy these games then the companies won’t care if you buy the dlc or not because they know some will want a complete game regardless. Not buying the game is the only way to get the companies attention.

Fuck Capcom. I’ve hated this bogus-ass company ever since they shat all over the Megaman X franchise (X6 and onwards). They are an absolute joke and I’ve not bought anything they’ve shat out since Maverick Hunter X, and never will they get another cent from me again. Boycott Crapcom!!

You see, the Idea of DLC is a great thing that really could be a good business model as well as a better way of additions to a game be it map-pack, characters, etc. Since we all can remember the days of like all the extra Sims installments like Living Large and that stuff.
But no, these People really screw the hell out of it!! In any other industry this practice would be Retarded, would shut down a company! But seems sort of fine for not just capcom but ANY game company to do. It’s like getting a burger and fries combo for $5 but the fries are in a metal box and to open That you should pay $2 for it. What the Hell is the POINT!?!
The WORST part is it feels like Capcom doesn’t even give you a Politician’s nod and BS answer to the problem, they just DON’T LISTEN or LEARN from their “mistakes”.
I do have SFxT and it is a good game, sadly for those assholes I’m usually too broke for DLC so….fuck it.

Here’s the simplest solution: DO NOT BUY IT. Ever. If your friends or someone you know wants it, convince them otherwise. Even if it’s on sale for $5 new in a game store with everything included in a week/month/year from now, don’t buy it. You know that old saying “don’t stick your dick in crazy”? Well, do the same with your wallet and Capcom. No matter how tempting it may be, if you buy it they will make more. If this trend continues and you buy into it, it’ll get worse and you know that. Not buying it will cause distributors to lose profits and will force them to reconsider putting any Capcom titles on their shelves as it is a wasted investment, thus hurting Capcom’s reputation as a business. So stand up for yourselves guys, don’t let them fuck you in the ass.

The only option I found so far is not buying the game at all.
Buying it but not the dlc still supports the practice of cutting content out for dlc,
buying ultimate editions also isn’t a good way against overpriced dlc, cut-content-dlc or day one dlc
and pirating is somewhat contra-productive, because, in the eye of the publisher, it looks like you’re just not willing to pay any money for games and this leads them to things like extreme drm, making no pc versions, online passes or other things that won’t fix the problem and often lead to more lost customers.

As to what I would do to get around this, I simply refuse to buy the game at all. Period. Cutting Capcom off at the source is the only way now, they’ve left us no choice. We’ve voiced our opinion, we gave them the chance to not pull this crap anymore. But they’ve ignored us and clearly intend to just keep doing what THEY want to do. For me, it’s no more Mr. Nice Guy, I’m done with Capcom.

Best part, owners of pirated consoles will have patches to play all those characters for free while the rest of us will cheated out of our money.

This game went down from being a must-have to an anathema.

By the way, they may not care. Maybe they think that if they insist long enough, this practice will become mainstream. I love capcom games (some of them at least), but no more of them until they set their record straight.

What do i think? FUCK CAPCOM, I learned from MVC3, capcom willl fuck ,the consumers becuase they can and they know that people will pay $60 for their new fighting game, they can burn in hell for all i care.That is all…

As a former fan of Capcom (who I thought could do no wrong), I’m deeply ashamed of what I’ve witnessed in the last couple of years since they revived the fighting game genre. To protest these business practices, Capcom will not get another single penny from me. Capcom loves to troll their customers.

The simple answer is, you stop putting up with it. You DON’T look for cheaper versions so you can unlock on disk content. If you know about this, you simply just don’t buy the game. That’s the only way to get them to stop this garbage; stop giving them money

It all depends on how you look at it. People pay to play stuff like WoW every month to enjoy their online services, while games like these don’t charge you extra for that. So they have to make the money every release. Call of Duty gets enough sales right of the bat. Capcom is relying on it’s fanbase while hopefully drawing in new people, not by the way they work, but by actually making a good game and letting people buy more of it. This isn’t new. Marketing strategies like this have done wonders for Pokemon, yet nobody really complains about that.

It’s not the nicest thing to do, but as a marketing strategy it’s actually a useful tool and they know it. You might just want to stop supporting them, but unfortunately for you, Capcom already made such a huge supportive community it can leech on (Which I am included) so that they seemingly have no risk pulling of shit like this. Also, I can play this game for months and probably years. A year subscription to a MMO costs me more than the content of this game.

except with pokemon you had mall tour events and now wifi events for pokemon based from the movies, shiny, “special event” pokemon or like the one that started today a level 100 reshiram/zekrom (depending on which version you have), and they’re all free. yeah you can still catch/trade the pokemon they offer you without these events, but the events are often special.

what capcom is doing is nickle and diming it’s fanbase. they are withholding many characters behind a pay wall, you can’t unlock them, you can’t use them, you probably can’t fight them unless you pay up.

If I knew about this early, i wouldn’t have bought the collector’s edition. Alot of games have been doing this practice: Red Dead, La Noire, Mass Effect, Dragon Age, basically anything EA makes.) I think we buy the game, however, not buy the post release DLC. Then if they put out, Super Duper hyper diaper Sf x Tekken edition, don’t buy that either or pay as low as 10 or 5 bucks if they want to nickel and dime us. I will eventlually buy Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3, but until it goes down to a bargain bin 10 or 5 dollar price range. I just hope, Joe, Namco doesn’t do this kind of DLC practice. Dear namco, i hope that doesn’t happen!

Just finished watching this on youtube. Completely agree with Joe on this one. I’m an average working (um, well…joe), and the money I have at any given time is at a premium. If I’m going to buy a game, it’s because I not only want the game, but because I want to support the company. I consider a game a luxury and an investment. I buy games because I love games. I consider selling tactics like this to be in the same vein as the draconian DRM you find in Ubisoft games these days. It’s a slap in the face. With ubisoft, it’s like a slap in the face saying that even though I purchased the game, I can only play on their terms because even though I bought the game, I still supposedly a pirate. Treating “customer” like dirt while pirates get away scott free and still do whatever they want. In this case it’s simpler. This is a slap in the face with Capcom quite literally telling my money is not good enough for them. The content is there. I’ve bought the game. Yet I can’t play any of it unless I give them more money. Even though I’ve already coughed up a considerable chunk of my hard earned money to buy the game in the first place. My act of giving them money in the first place is an act of faith. This is quite literally a beggar’s can’t be choosers moment. They’re begging for my money saying they’ll give me this game for my money. I give them my hard earned money, and then they spit on it. That’s not good enough. So we’ll give you our game for that, but we’re going to lock out half the game until you keep giving us money until we’re happy. That’s an insult to my intelligence. That’s an insult to me “AS A PAYING CUSTOMER”. I can not and will not abide that kind of mistreatment from anybody. Especially from a company trying to hock their crap to me begging for my money. I deserve to be treated better than that. I deserve to be treated like a “VALUED” customer. So they will not be getting my money as a result this dick move on their part. That’s my decision. If I miss out on an overall good game as a result, then that’s my choice. It’s the principle that matters more to me in this case. If you’re not going to treat me like a valued customer, then I won’t be your customer. Period!

I didnt buy ANYTHING from Crapcom scince hey completly raped Resident Evil with RE5 (RE1 was one of the first games ive ever played, and its painful to see what Crapcom does to this franchise)
But this makes me still angry. And i hope that more people dont buy anymore games from that company. I hope that people will not buy such games from Crapcom anymore. This company should loose much money, If they keep making money with shit like this, it only gets worse. And the sad thing is that alot of people outside get angry at that but still buy it. Makes me kinda sad -.-

No thank you. You wanna know what I’ll do? Won’t ever buy a game from Capcom again, that’s what I will do. Screw my beloved DMC HD Collection, I have every game of it on PS2!
No Mega Man anymore? No Breath of Fire, and now THIS.

I feel betrayed, both as a customer and a gamer. DLC can be great and nice but this is an insult to every (and I mean every) gamer, whether they realize it, or not.

So it’s okay to do that as far as the game is good, Joe itself said that Tekken X Street Fighter is a good game. It’s a bad business practice and shouldn’t be encouraged.

Plus I guess you didn’t played the whole game yet, ME3 left lots of people dissapointed due to weak endings, Misguided character choices, lazy design and making lots of big choices from earlier games meningless in the long run.

ME3 is not a bad game, but it’s far from being the fan’s favourite in terms of story.

The only way to change capcom﻿ is to not buy their games…But at the same time we need to talk to the fighting game community like team spooky, cross counter, Wednesday night fight and fighting game websites like event hub, shoruyken, and iplayerwinner to spread the word that capcom needs to stop their greedy business practices…But to be honest I doubt the fighting game fans will listen since the majority don’t care or think that this isn’t a problem at all….Its sounds crazy but In the capcom unity website the majority were angry that they need to WAIT to pay for the disc locked content….But other than that thanks Joe for spreading the word about this problem

The reason that you can’t take 2 people online is because on Xbox live you have to have a gold membership for each profile you take online, meaning that both people have to have paid Xbox live accounts on both profiles for the same Xbox, which is stupid. The only way around this is guest accounts.

Frankly, I kind of gave up on Capcom around the time of the DRM on the PSN release of Final Fight, and the departure of Kenji Inafune. I basically decided that if there was a Capcom game that I *really* wanted to play, I’d rent it from GameFly first to give it a try, but otherwise I’d skip it.

Thus far, this philosophy has worked for me, especially considering all the nonsense that has happened with Street FighterXTekken – which is a shame, because as a fan of both franchises, I was kind of interested in this. Not so much anymore.

I almost didn’t buy this game because I was actually worried about them releasing another version only months later. It is completely unfair to the consumers because it shows how greedy for money they are getting.

Capcom has become increasingly greedier year after year. I think we should stop buying their games, at least in the first 3 to 4 months of release and show them that they can’t just get away with anything they want to do. So say no to capcom, there are plenty of games out there to keep you busy.

If a company is doing this to the fans who cares about them. Honestly people should not buy this game based on principle alone. Joe I do see what you are saying about how if it is a good game you wish to support it but the issue is even if somebody buys it and does not access the locked content on the disc is still does not matter they are still taking your money and wiping themselves off with it. The best way to show companies such as Capcom is to not just simply purchase their fighting games but all Capcom games, show them their disgusting attitude of the gaming community and treating us like we are mindless consumers who are addicted the low grade crack they sell. Do not purchase any Capcom games hit them in their wallet they will change their attitude once they receive a bad quarterly statement.

Nothing morally wrong with Capcom wanting to sell their games for higher prices.

If you want to buy their product, then fine. If you don’t, then fine. But there is nothing inherently wrong with wanting to make money; there is nothing inherently wrong with being greedy.

While there isn’t anything wrong with being selfish, is Capcom actually being so? Hardly. Selling an incomplete product is not self-beneficial in the long run, because nobody will want to buy their product.

The important thing to understand here is that Capcom’s faults are derived from self-LESS ness, not self-ISH-ness and greed. When the players hate you for selling them crummy products, youre probably not doing yourself any favours.

If Capcom was actually greedy, they’d sell a damn good product the way Gabe Newell did and then actually get rich. As it is, they are just self-destructive.

I hate businesses like this. If you’re going to sell me a game, sell me the game. Don’t sell me installments of the game for a recurring price. Anybody who tries this will loose out completely, since i just won’t buy the game at all.

I stopped buying from Capcom period since they canceled MegaMan Legends 3. Their practices have cause Inafune to leave their company, and it causing a rapid decline with their fan base. If a game comes out from them I buy it used. I don’t care what it is, Its getting purchased used. I no long support them and their products. If I see a good game from them (Resident evils, Monster hunters, Megamans) I will get them used. They can’t earn their respect back from me.

Can someone help me. I can’t watch any of the videos any more unless I go to youtube. The last video I am actually able to watch on this site is the review for the Darkness II. All videos posted after the Darkness II I can’t watch. I just get the error:

I can’t find any information to help me fix it. I would prefer to watch Joe’s vids here, but I can’t. I’ve tried different browsers. I tried updating browser. Uninstalling and reinstalling flash. Clearing caches and settings… Checked Hosts files. Nothing appears to be wrong with my computer, yet I can’t get any of Joe’s vids to play since the Darkness II review. I just keep getting the above error. Can anyone help with this please?

Try clearing out your cache. Sometimes that can help. If that doesn’t work, you’ll have to uninstall and reinstall Flash. I’m afraid there’s not much more I can recommend. Maybe someone else might be able to.

sure, no problem 🙂
if you(or rather your tech team) need any further information about my system specs, let me know and I’ll gladly send you everything important. And thanks for the support. It’s highly appreciated!

What Country are you guys in that cant play it, and what browser are you using?

bignick277

March 9, 2012 at 4:54 pm

I’m in the UK (specifically Scotland)
I’m using the latest version of Firefox.

I’ve also tried disabling my firewall. Checked all settings. And I’ve tried an older version Firefox and I’ve tried it in IE. Except in IE it won’t even load enough of the player to give the error message. Oh… it’s IE9 I have installed as my backup browser.

Crap… I forgot to mention… I have also tried loosening flash security settings. They already were on normal settings. But I even tried to add both angryjoeshow.com and even the springboard domain to the trusted sites listings. No effect. Still couldn’t watch.

Vandem

March 9, 2012 at 8:16 pm

I’m from Austria using FF 11.0 but just like bignick I tried everything I could like changing browsers (IE9, Safari 5 and Opera so far), temporarily disabling firewall/Kaspersky, changing local and global flash settings, reinstalling flash, looking in the “Hosts”-file if I blocked anything etc. Normally there are plenty of solutions which can easily be googled, but not this time I’m afraid 🙁