SuperiorThoughts wrote:I guess it goes to show that even if you make 20 million, you still need motivation. I'm not sure how hungry Peyton has to be to bring a championship to Denver. Seems like he's been hungry before and the headline implies that he wasn't hungry enough. I think when Peyton retires, and Fox as well, they will look back on the Ravens game and wish they had played to win instead of taking the knee.

and again an article that doesn't focus on where the blame should be placed..How about Mr. Manning..how does it feel to be outplayed by a 2nd year average QB? or Mr. Manning...how could you have not been ready for the 1st play of the game?

Many of the Bronco fans just aren't going to criticize Manning no matter what.

My biggest beef is I just didn't see the offense and coaching staff together on the sidelines getting fired up to play inspired football. In my opinion Manning as well as Fox should have been the biggest focal point of it all. All they did was go through the motions uninspiredly and without any discipline to sustain a drive. No wonder Manning or any of the players want to watch it again.

I keep going back to the stories all week long about how the Broncos were focused on this "business trip". And how the Seahawks were a bunch of loadmouth, out of control substance abusers that were no match for the arm and brain of Manning.

That's what I don't like. I didn't like reading it then. I guess it's just not Mannings style to lead a bunch of guys into a drag out fight to try to gain back respect from your opponent. That first play of the game shouldn't have been any type of a melting point. That wasn't a knockout punch it was barely a tap on the chin. A first Qtr. drive down the field to score would have quickly dismissed whatever effect it had. Instead the Broncos, led by Manning and Fox, seemed like a team quite ready to toss in the towel and forget about changing momentum and accept their fate.

Like I have said before I don't care about winning or losing as long as you gave it your best shot. To me that means if someone knocks you down, you get his number and you let him know how it felt to get knocked down as well. Hopefully a teammate will take note and hit someone and start to turn things around. Someone makes a play. Momentum returns. But that just never happened or even began to happen.

Manning is saying all the right things because he is very good at that. He's been in a football family since birth and has seen everything. He knows all the right things to say. He's totally in control and professional. None of us expect any less than that from him. I really doubt the hunger part though because of all that background he has. There's no hunger in today's game. Today's players all talk now more than ever when it would be so much better if they let their play do the talking. A person gets cynical of the whole media side of football. Maybe what the real prob is Roger Goodell turning the league into a bunch of rich, nice guy media "talkers", that get fined every time they hit someone too hard or acts too tough for the new and improved NFL. Even the Refs are too intimidated to take the game back from the guys upstairs. Now they are going to be calling penalties or stopping play for players getting too emotional. Too much money in the game and the quality is more bland than ever because of it.

Justabroncofan wrote:[quote="My biggest beef is I just didn't see the offense and coaching staff together on the sidelines getting fired up to play inspired football. In my opinion Manning as well as Fox should have been the biggest focal point of it all. All they did was go through the motions uninspiredly and without any discipline to sustain a drive. No wonder Manning or any of the players want to watch it again.

It's hard to be effective as a leader when leading an offense that is basically a one trick pony. The Seattle Seahawks defense is designed to stop today's offenses. It's a passing league and the best things the Hawks do is rush and cover. They can pressure up the middle and they can pressure outside...their safties and linebackers can cover any group of receivers thrown their way. You have to effectively run the ball to beat the Seahawks. You have to attack them...put them on the defensive. You have to game plan against them in an effective way. No amount of "rah...rah" is going to make any difference.The Little Guy

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Justabroncofan wrote:[quote="My biggest beef is I just didn't see the offense and coaching staff together on the sidelines getting fired up to play inspired football. In my opinion Manning as well as Fox should have been the biggest focal point of it all. All they did was go through the motions uninspiredly and without any discipline to sustain a drive. No wonder Manning or any of the players want to watch it again.

It's hard to be effective as a leader when leading an offense that is basically a one trick pony. The Seattle Seahawks defense are designed to stop today's offenses. It's a passing league and the best things the Hawks do is rush and cover. They can pressure up the middle and they can pressure outside...their safties and linebackers can cover any group of receivers thrown their way. You have to effectively run the ball to beat the Seahawks. You have to attack them...put them on the defensive. You have to game plan against them in an effective way. No amount of "rah...rah" is going to make any difference.The Little Guy

Rah rah is for high school and college. Rah rah in the NFL is for the cameras, that's it. Players are professionals at this point, they know their jobs, rah rah is something that the fans tend to believe in, not the players.

Oh, great. We have Peyton Manning saying all the right things.The bottom line is Denver received a brutal beatdown in the Super Bowl from Seattle.Manning's status is uncertain and he still has a losing record in the playoffs.

Justabroncofan wrote:[quote="My biggest beef is I just didn't see the offense and coaching staff together on the sidelines getting fired up to play inspired football. In my opinion Manning as well as Fox should have been the biggest focal point of it all. All they did was go through the motions uninspiredly and without any discipline to sustain a drive. No wonder Manning or any of the players want to watch it again.

It's hard to be effective as a leader when leading an offense that is basically a one trick pony. The Seattle Seahawks defense is designed to stop today's offenses. It's a passing league and the best things the Hawks do is rush and cover. They can pressure up the middle and they can pressure outside...their safties and linebackers can cover any group of receivers thrown their way. You have to effectively run the ball to beat the Seahawks. You have to attack them...put them on the defensive. You have to game plan against them in an effective way. No amount of "rah...rah" is going to make any difference.The Little Guy

I have been saying that since the Super bowl. Longer actually. Now I am saying that once Fox decides that they are indeed going to become more physical and proves it by running the ball more and limiting Manning's exposure to a good pass rush, then I will be convinced they are on the right track. If they continue to rely on Manning throwing 45 or more times a game then it's hello embarrassment. This is Manning's 17th season. If the NFC West teams they play in regular season or possible Super Bowl decides to make this Manning's longest season in his career they sure have the talent and ability to do so. Every defensive player in the NFL would like to have a shot at Manning, but this particular division is pretty serious about their pass rushes. I would really enjoy watching Manning practicing his handoffs to Ball and trying some new passes designed to go 18 to 25 yards with the play action. Kinda like Elway, Davis, Eddie Mac, Smith, Sharpe.

You mention "rah-rah". Lets talk about that. First off the bat were you at all ashamed or embarrassed by the performance of the team at the Super Bowl? Did you feel that the whole team gave up especially offensively?

A lot of people are of the notion that pro's have the ability to "turn it on" and 'turn it off". Maybe some players feel they are talented enough that they don't need any kind of emotion or extra adrenalin to play a violent game. I am not at all in agreement with any of that. I think first and foremost you have to not only be confident, but you also have to be humble. You have to know you will lose games but you can never lose your pride. You have to treat your teammates and your coaches the best you can by doing everything possible to succeed. In other words, you have to stand up and realize you are a professional football player on the biggest stage of the NFL and people are not only counting on you, but are watching you and judging you closely. Yeah I think a little rah-rah is in order. It's football. It's emotional.

I'd say the majority of us posting here have played organized football. Haven't you ever been in a game where you have totally been buried on the ground with numerous people trying to hurt you while on top of you? You have to fight back at that exact moment and establish your ground or you will be buried all game. The opponents will mock you at the line of scrimmage. They will say man we are coming right at YOU! That's where the challenge comes in. You played your best to stop them. If you succeeded then that started momentum. You have never stood on a sideline with coaches pulling you by your facemask and telling you to pull head out? You have never had teammates exhorting you to start hitting someone? I thought that's what they do at football games. I see that numerous times from other teams, high school, college, pros. You just won't see it from Manning and Fox.

Justabroncofan wrote:[quote="My biggest beef is I just didn't see the offense and coaching staff together on the sidelines getting fired up to play inspired football. In my opinion Manning as well as Fox should have been the biggest focal point of it all. All they did was go through the motions uninspiredly and without any discipline to sustain a drive. No wonder Manning or any of the players want to watch it again.

It's hard to be effective as a leader when leading an offense that is basically a one trick pony. The Seattle Seahawks defense are designed to stop today's offenses. It's a passing league and the best things the Hawks do is rush and cover. They can pressure up the middle and they can pressure outside...their safties and linebackers can cover any group of receivers thrown their way. You have to effectively run the ball to beat the Seahawks. You have to attack them...put them on the defensive. You have to game plan against them in an effective way. No amount of "rah...rah" is going to make any difference.The Little Guy

Rah rah is for high school and college. Rah rah in the NFL is for the cameras, that's it. Players are professionals at this point, they know their jobs, rah rah is something that the fans tend to believe in, not the players.

See what happens when you watch a lot of Bronco games under Manning and Fox? You start to believe that.

I saw all kinds of rah-rah from the back to back teams. Terrell Davis Mile High Salute? Sharpe riding the Bronco stick? Shanahan getting in faces? Lots of rah rah in football just look at the Seahawks/ 49ers rivalry.

Justabroncofan wrote:[quote="A lot of people are of the notion that pro's have the ability to "turn it on" and 'turn it off". Maybe some players feel they are talented enough that they don't need any kind of emotion or extra adrenalin to play a violent game. I am not at all in agreement with any of that. I think first and foremost you have to not only be confident, but you also have to be humble. You have to know you will lose games but you can never lose your pride. You have to treat your teammates and your coaches the best you can by doing everything possible to succeed. In other words, you have to stand up and realize you are a professional football player on the biggest stage of the NFL and people are not only counting on you, but are watching you and judging you closely. Yeah I think a little rah-rah is in order. It's football. It's emotional.

I see what you're saying but "rah...rah" is not going to help when you realize you have no answer for what your opponent is doing. Being fired up is not going to do anything if you are over-matched. It's like in Super Bowl 32 when Eugene Robinson was on the Packer sideline saying"we are playing the Indianapolis Colts...these guys aren't better than us...they're not even good!" Well...sorry Eugene but your little buddies had ZERO answer for the Broncos running attack that day. I have played football. I was a defensive lineman and remember once in a Central Coast Section playoff game feeling a bit demorilized because I was being stonewalled by the OT playing against me. He was just better. The only thing.. many years.. later that made me feel better was that this guy went Pro...but no pep talk was going to change anything. I was punching this guy..I even bit him on the arm in the pile one time out of frustration. Didn't matter. He was better. It reminds me of an interview I heard with George Forman talking about when he lost to Ali. Foreman had Ali in the corner and was just throwing all kinds of punches at him. Everything but the kitchen sink. Foreman got a little winded at went into a clench...that's when Ali said "is that all you've got?". According to Forman he thought to himself..."yep..that's about it". From then on Ali controlled the fight. In all the NFL..the Seahawks were the perfect team to beat the Broncos....the only thing that could have saved Denver was an all out assault on the middle of the Seahawk line. That wasn't in the game plan. No amount of Rah..rah was going to change it.The Little Guy

Even if it means my death the evil poison of hatred and bigotry which they're trying to spread in the name of Patriotism must be wiped out. Captain America

Justabroncofan wrote:[quote="My biggest beef is I just didn't see the offense and coaching staff together on the sidelines getting fired up to play inspired football. In my opinion Manning as well as Fox should have been the biggest focal point of it all. All they did was go through the motions uninspiredly and without any discipline to sustain a drive. No wonder Manning or any of the players want to watch it again.

It's hard to be effective as a leader when leading an offense that is basically a one trick pony. The Seattle Seahawks defense are designed to stop today's offenses. It's a passing league and the best things the Hawks do is rush and cover. They can pressure up the middle and they can pressure outside...their safties and linebackers can cover any group of receivers thrown their way. You have to effectively run the ball to beat the Seahawks. You have to attack them...put them on the defensive. You have to game plan against them in an effective way. No amount of "rah...rah" is going to make any difference.The Little Guy

Rah rah is for high school and college. Rah rah in the NFL is for the cameras, that's it. Players are professionals at this point, they know their jobs, rah rah is something that the fans tend to believe in, not the players.

See what happens when you watch a lot of Bronco games under Manning and Fox? You start to believe that.

I saw all kinds of rah-rah from the back to back teams. Terrell Davis Mile High Salute? Sharpe riding the Bronco stick? Shanahan getting in faces? Lots of rah rah in football just look at the Seahawks/ 49ers rivalry.

I don't know, T.D. would salute to the fans after a TD, never players on the sidelines to get them fired up. Heck just watching TD run would be enough to get people going if they needed it. Sharpe was just, well, Sharpe, he had a good time, that's for sure. I think every coach in football gets in a players face, that's not really rah,rah.

Guys like Flacco get it,

“That’s not me,” Flacco says. “I love Ray, and I love how he always spoke from the heart, but if you listened to those speeches, a lot of them didn’t even make sense. He meant everything he was saying, but I didn’t know what he was talking about 90 percent of the time.”

RayRay did that stuff for the cameras and for himself, most guys could give a flying spit about that stuff. I'll take a guy who goes about his business over a guy always looking for the camera any day.

49ers and Seahawks is a bunch of woofing, but it is nice to see a heated rivalry in that instance.

I think you can ask most players, and they would agree, if a player really needs to be fired up by someone to play in the Super Bowl, they probably shouldn't be there.

SuperiorThoughts wrote:I guess it goes to show that even if you make 20 million, you still need motivation. I'm not sure how hungry Peyton has to be to bring a championship to Denver. Seems like he's been hungry before and the headline implies that he wasn't hungry enough. I think when Peyton retires, and Fox as well, they will look back on the Ravens game and wish they had played to win instead of taking the knee.

or if they wouldn't have tried a 50+yard FG at the end of the 1st half on a freezing night...they punt that ball and the Ravens just run out the clock..instead they hand them the ball on the 45..Champ gets burned and it's game on...

Sorry but every team in the NFL when faced with 30 seconds and needing to go 60 yards to attempt a FG would have done the same thing...It's not like it was 64 degrees and no wind..it was below zero with wind...much more likely that something bad was going to happen.

Repeat after me....The much maligned defense did not lose the Super Bowl...The blame goes to the Coaching staff and the High Flying Offense led by #18...

We've all seen the replay of the Seattle back knocking D Thomas 5 yards off his feet after 3 yard dink from Manning. D Thomas quits and the team slumps as they walk back to the huddle. Gase to Manning on the headset. Coach Fox wants to run a play at the Seattle back and have Thomas as the lead blocker and tell him to kick some F'in butt. Manning to the huddle. Thomas here is your chance for payback. Go kick some butt on that guy laughing at you over there. Manning to Welker, I'm drilling you in the numbers follow Thomas.

You guys telling me that a play like that wouldn't show the Seahawks that Denver wasn't ready to roll over? I don't care how many points you are down on the scoreboard.

I can debate this all year. You have to make the best effort, win or lose.

You just can't talk yourself into becoming a physical team. This is where your leaders have to step it up. And not with their mouths.

Justabroncofan wrote:You just can't talk yourself into becoming a physical team. This is where your leaders have to step it up. And not with their mouths.

This is true...but you can't decide to "get tough" the day of the Super Bowl. You have to bring nasty to mini camp...then training camp and then pre-season. You hasve to make an effort at that moment to be balanced and to take the rushing game seriously. It's too late at kickoff of the Super Bowl. I know it sounds old school and Klis had that article about how the running game is a dime a dozen and passe' and many seem to be on board with that thought process....but nothing sets the tone and the attitude of mean, dirty, nasty football like letting the big guys in the trenches attack. You do that by running the football. As soon as Seattle showed they could rush our QB and cover our receivers the game was over.The Little Guy

Even if it means my death the evil poison of hatred and bigotry which they're trying to spread in the name of Patriotism must be wiped out. Captain America