X Factor vs. X Factor Advanced for someone w/ joint issues

I have seen lots of threads on this and I know the basic consensus is that the original is better if your joints are healthy, but Advanced is better for those with joint issues or people who got sides from the original. I am using advanced right now and LOVE it! However, the original is currently on an unbelievable sale at a website I probably cannot mention (2 100 ct. bottles for 60 USD w/ free shipping to US), so I am seriously considering picking up a bunch. My question is: how big is the difference to joints between the two? If it is generally a very small difference, I will just go for this sale; however, if the original is much harsher on joints, I will probably opt to wait for the advanced to go on sale (I have had my meniscus shaved already, and I grapple 3-5 times a week). What do you all think? Thanks!!!

Thanks for the reply! Do you know how much 'friendlier' by any chance? Also is DOMS supposed to be worse on the original than it is on advanced?

In all honesty the DOMS is really not that bad. For example say I wasn't taking ArA (main compound in xfactor and advanced) and I didn't train a body part for around 6-8 days then did the DOMS I get is bad but not debilitating. If I was using ArA and train a body part say around 4-6 days the DOMs was not as bad as no usage but bigger time period between training the muscle group, just my experiences though.

In all honesty if you have no inflammatory issues or other health related issues you will be fine and in my experience and any good product which lowers estrogen was worse for my joints. Also XFA advanced is better for your joints but got some it won't be even noticeable unless you joints are really bad, even then is all user dependant and individual. Hope that helps

In all honesty the DOMS is really not that bad. For example say I wasn't taking ArA (main compound in xfactor and advanced) and I didn't train a body part for around 6-8 days then did the DOMS I get is bad but not debilitating. If I was using ArA and train a body part say around 4-6 days the DOMs was not as bad as no usage but bigger time period between training the muscle group, just my experiences though.

In all honesty if you have no inflammatory issues or other health related issues you will be fine and in my experience and any good product which lowers estrogen was worse for my joints. Also XFA advanced is better for your joints but got some it won't be even noticeable unless you joints are really bad, even then is all user dependant and individual. Hope that helps

Definitely helps! Thanks especially for reporting on your personal experience, which is awesome to hear. I do have joint issues but they aren't what I would call serious... I am mostly worried because I do Bjj 3-5 times a week which takes its own toll for sure.

Most importantly, most people say the difference between them isn't big anyway?

Are the headaches worse on the original or would that side be the same with both?

if you are worried about joint issues with the OG then you can supplement with a low dose of fish oil as XF advanced does

I guess you must be right. My joints feel great on XFA and I was afraid of joint pain, but I do supplement with high-dose fish oil and supercissus every morning (at least 8 hours away from XF). I went ahead and ordered the OG. Price was way too good to pass up.

I jumped on the $60 for 200 ct and then a 100 ct for $35 on top of that

Anyhoot OP, do you currently have tendonitis of any sort? If you do, I would be careful when taking ArA, it could definitely aggravate it. As for personal experience, I was recovering from a pretty debilitating forearm tendonitis when I started using XF a few months back. I was careful and avoided things that I knew was going to aggravate the injury, in the end, made very good progress, and didn't bust my injury further (it actually recovered in the end, right now I have trigger finger in my left hand but it only locks out when it's cold). So, if your issues aren't too serious, it's probably ok to use XF.

I jumped on the $60 for 200 ct and then a 100 ct for $35 on top of that

Anyhoot OP, do you currently have tendonitis of any sort? If you do, I would be careful when taking ArA, it could definitely aggravate it. As for personal experience, I was recovering from a pretty debilitating forearm tendonitis when I started using XF a few months back. I was careful and avoided things that I knew was going to aggravate the injury, in the end, made very good progress, and didn't bust my injury further (it actually recovered in the end, right now I have trigger finger in my left hand but it only locks out when it's cold). So, if your issues aren't too serious, it's probably ok to use XF.

Definitely helps! Thanks especially for reporting on your personal experience, which is awesome to hear. I do have joint issues but they aren't what I would call serious... I am mostly worried because I do Bjj 3-5 times a week which takes its own toll for sure.

Most importantly, most people say the difference between them isn't big anyway?

Are the headaches worse on the original or would that side be the same with both?

The electrolytes were added to the Advanced to help with headaches.

Boswellia and fish oil will help alleviate joint pain and headaches.

Joint pain and headache are minor side effects though, most (myself included) dont experience them, or experience them to a negligible extent.

I jumped on the $60 for 200 ct and then a 100 ct for $35 on top of that

Anyhoot OP, do you currently have tendonitis of any sort? If you do, I would be careful when taking ArA, it could definitely aggravate it. As for personal experience, I was recovering from a pretty debilitating forearm tendonitis when I started using XF a few months back. I was careful and avoided things that I knew was going to aggravate the injury, in the end, made very good progress, and didn't bust my injury further (it actually recovered in the end, right now I have trigger finger in my left hand but it only locks out when it's cold). So, if your issues aren't too serious, it's probably ok to use XF.

I'll be honest, on my log now I have gotten strange phantom injuries a few times (like my wrist will start hurting at bjj and then will keep hurting for an hour or two and the it'll be 100% fine), but my main concern is my knees and they have not only not gotten worse on this log but actually feel better than they have in years, so I was a bit worried about the switch, but it was just too hard not to order at that price . I guess I will have to be my own guinea pig. If I notice a big difference one way or the other I will write about it.

I did also get headaches once or twice, but I guess since aspirin is supposed to be advised when using ArA if you aren't using carnitine (apparently it does the same thing as carnitine, platelet aggregation, which I will look into over the next few weeks), I could always take aspirin if I get headaches from ArA.

Overall my sides have been so mild on the advanced formula I was hoping to stick with that, but if worse comes to worse I could take a cap of fish oil and maybe a cap of cissus with XFO and see if that reduces sides while keeping effects mostly untouched at a low dose. Thanks!

Joint pain and headache are minor side effects though, most (myself included) dont experience them, or experience them to a negligible extent.

Great info, thanks! So if the headaches are worse on XFO I can just take a small amount of electrolytes with it to reduce them I suppose. That is sure simple enough . Great sales from MN all over the place!

I'll be honest, on my log now I have gotten strange phantom injuries a few times (like my wrist will start hurting at bjj and then will keep hurting for an hour or two and the it'll be 100% fine), but my main concern is my knees and they have not only not gotten worse on this log but actually feel better than they have in years, so I was a bit worried about the switch, but it was just too hard not to order at that price . I guess I will have to be my own guinea pig. If I notice a big difference one way or the other I will write about it.

I did also get headaches once or twice, but I guess since aspirin is supposed to be advised when using ArA if you aren't using carnitine (apparently it does the same thing as carnitine, platelet aggregation, which I will look into over the next few weeks), I could always take aspirin if I get headaches from ArA.

Overall my sides have been so mild on the advanced formula I was hoping to stick with that, but if worse comes to worse I could take a cap of fish oil and maybe a cap of cissus with XFO and see if that reduces sides while keeping effects mostly untouched at a low dose. Thanks!

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Tyler

Since you are running XFA already, just save your XFO for your next run As long as you get in on that great deal, lulz. Friggin deal can't be beat.

Joint pain and headache are minor side effects though, most (myself included) dont experience them, or experience them to a negligible extent.

I hate to keep picking on XFA but the formula is indefensible. If you wanted to combat headaches, you wouldn't use 400mg of magnesium oxide (per 1g ArA), a potent laxative that will ultimately disrupt your body's electrolyte balance.

Fish oil directly competes for ArA metabolism, so you'd either omit it from an ArA cycle or use it at a later time. Arguably the worst thing you can add to an ArA cycle is fish oil at the exact same time. Worse than NSAIDs and all the other stuff you guys fear.

Great info, thanks! So if the headaches are worse on XFO I can just take a small amount of electrolytes with it to reduce them I suppose. That is sure simple enough . Great sales from MN all over the place!

I hate to keep picking on XFA but the formula is indefensible. If you wanted to combat headaches, you wouldn't use 400mg of magnesium oxide (per 1g ArA), a potent laxative that will ultimately disrupt your body's electrolyte balance.

Fish oil directly competes for ArA metabolism, so you'd either omit it from an ArA cycle or use it at a later time. Arguably the worst thing you can add to an ArA cycle is fish oil at the exact same time. Worse than NSAIDs and all the other stuff you guys fear.

Originally Posted by mr.cooper69

No you cannot. That is not what causes ArA headaches.

OK thanks for the info. In all honesty I have noticed a little digestive distress once in awhile on my current run of XFA so maybe that's why.

If you don't mind me asking (I'm sure you've already explained it somewhere else), what does cause the headaches? I haven't gotten them often, but would there be any reason to think I would get them more on the original formula?

And low-dose aspirin will not disrupt the effects of ArA, right? So, if I get any headaches, I can use that to combat them without compromising effectiveness? I read somewhere [I think from you in addition to others] that it is beneficial in the same way as carnitine. Thanks , Coop!

OK thanks for the info. In all honesty I have noticed a little digestive distress once in awhile on my current run of XFA so maybe that's why.

If you don't mind me asking (I'm sure you've already explained it somewhere else), what does cause the headaches? I haven't gotten them often, but would there be any reason to think I would get them more on the original formula?

And low-dose aspirin will not disrupt the effects of ArA, right? So, if I get any headaches, I can use that to combat them without compromising effectiveness? I read somewhere [I think from you in addition to others] that it is beneficial in the same way as carnitine. Thanks , Coop!

It's a complex issue that will be highly user-specific, but it has to do with excessive prostaglandin signaling in the brain.

Low-dose aspirin is not an issue with ArA, but it won't affect headaches at such a low concentration either. Most of its activity is derived from irreversible acetyl-group donation to COX-1 prior to liver entry.

It's a complex issue that will be highly user-specific, but it has to do with excessive prostaglandin signaling in the brain.

Low-dose aspirin is not an issue with ArA, but it won't affect headaches at such a low concentration either. Most of its activity is derived from irreversible acetyl-group donation to COX-1 prior to liver entry.