Need some feedback on what kind of frame you would like to see me manufacture.

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Truth. This along with an RTP style flatbottom UL pump milled rail would be amazing especially if you designed it around a pump kit.... Make it all flow.

I do have an idea for a pump setup that has not been done yet. I believe I have only mentioned the specific design to one other forum member here. However being a one man show dealing with all aspects of this by myself it takes some effort to get new stuff to market. And on top of that low production numbers is little incentive to spend every waking hour designing parts.

1. Short 90* Angel style grip.
2 Single trigger.
3 AGD safety parts.
4. I believe I can design this to accept 45 grips. (I dont care for single screw per side grips)
5. EP, Pneu, Mech friendly, ready mount Intelli switch, EP trigger switch, MSV-2. (If possible)
6. Must fit all rails. Wingless but also referring to trigger guard size which is not an issue with a single trigger.

I'm not really sold on a built in snatch grip, personally I think it looks funky on a Mag. But besides looks it will add to the price of materials which are not very cheap these days. I would much rather machine a nice snatch grip to add to the products I currently offer. (???) It’s not completely out of the question, but you guys will have to convince me otherwise.

I do have an idea for a pump setup that has not been done yet. I believe I have only mentioned the specific design to one other forum member here. However being a one man show dealing with all aspects of this by myself it takes some effort to get new stuff to market. And on top of that low production numbers is little incentive to spend every waking hour designing parts.

I know, but designing things with future parts in mind would be awesome. I have just not yet seen a pump kit that took design into consideration. All pump kits so far look like add ons rather than specifically designed for the Automag.

Sorry, didnt mean to veer offcourse.

I think you are spot on for you assessment of where its at on this. My only question is that when "pneu friendly" is mentioned is someone thinking sleeper capable? I think trying to design a short 90* frame that will accomodate an LPR and pneumatics is going to be rough.

I know, but designing things with future parts in mind would be awesome. I have just not yet seen a pump kit that took design into consideration. All pump kits so far look like add ons rather than specifically designed for the Automag.

Sorry, didnt mean to veer offcourse.

But you really have no clue what what I speak of. As far as I know this has never been done on any marker ever made.

I think you are spot on for you assessment of where its at on this. My only question is that when "pneu friendly" is mentioned is someone thinking sleeper capable? I think trying to design a short 90* frame that will accomodate an LPR and pneumatics is going to be rough.

I never said "sleeper"
Personally I love seeing the regulator sticking off the front of an ASA.

But with that said, that is the beauty of a CAD program, I can figure out easily enough if it’s doable.

But my motivation is not to hide a regulator in the frame. I have a specific size in mind for the grip and would not make it larger because of a sleeper setup. If “they” want that they can choose a different frame.

1. Short 90* Angel style grip.
2 Single trigger.
3 AGD safety parts.
4. I believe I can design this to accept 45 grips. (I dont care for single screw per side grips)
5. EP, Pneu, Mech friendly, ready mount Intelli switch, EP trigger switch, MSV-2. (If possible)
6. Must fit all rails. Wingless but also referring to trigger guard size which is not an issue with a single trigger.

sounds like a dream pump mag frame to me...
with what you have planned so far, count me in for at least 2...

But my motivation is not to hide a regulator in the frame. I have a specific size in mind for the grip and would not make it larger because of a sleeper setup. If “they” want that they can choose a different frame.

I'm good with it. as long as those requesting it to be "pneu friendly" are as well. I would think some would find it pointless to make it pneu compatible and not sleeper capable. I could be totally off base. I personally don't care if it's pneu friendly.

I'm good with it. as long as those requesting it to be "pneu friendly" are as well. I would think some would find it pointless to make it pneu compatible and not sleeper capable. I could be totally off base. I personally don't care if it's pneu friendly.

I'm not sure when “Pneumag” became synonymous with “Sleeper Pneumag”.
But if it is possible to have the option of stuffing a Micro Reg in there I will, however like I said, it will not dictate the design, or not much.

Adding mounting points for various parts is not big deal over all and won’t significantly affect the over all price. Having a universal platform will help sales, not only for me but on the resale end too.

Part of this idea is for my benefit as much as the customers, not in terms of sales but more of a “low inventory” issue.

i would be pumped if you just offered CCM 86* frame milling services for mags... then you wouldnt have to develop an entire product :P

In general there is FAR less money to be made in modifying parts because of the time it takes to setup to do the work. In the end it’s much easier to setup and do a run of 50 parts than it would be to do 10 individual modification jobs. I know it is difficult to grasp that idea if you have never done machining work or any type of production in any industry but it is true. Production always rules over single part production.

Even with that said I'm still currently a "service shop" If you have a project contact me through PM and we can talk.

In general there is FAR less money to be made in modifying parts because of the time it takes to setup to do the work. In the end it’s much easier to setup and do a run of 50 parts than it would be to do 10 individual modification jobs. I know it is difficult to grasp that idea if you have never done machining work or any type of production in any industry but it is true. Production always rules over single part production.

Even with that said I'm still currently a "service shop" If you have a project contact me through PM and we can talk.

I had no idea! If it's less profitable then it sounds like you are on the right path anyhow for a product I would be interested In. Subscribed!

A question for the guys that have built Pneumags, is the Fabco-Air MSV-2 used over the Clippard SMAV-3 because it is easier to mount or is it performance? If I recall correctly when these conversions were first being done guys were using the SMAV-3. This may be a chance to design a frame with the SMAV-3 in mind. I believe these take less force to activate…