Acknowledging that Security Council Resolution #205 was passed for the purposes of preventing the region from being refounded during its occupation by HYDRA Command,

Noting that the aforementioned resolution only had to be passed due to naive carelessness by the native delegate La Navasse,

Recognizing that the region Dank Memes is now under the control of Captain Woodhouse, formerly of Nazi Europa,

Further Noting that this present situation came about due to La Navasse's choice to affiliate with Nazi and Fascist forces,

Illuminating the fact that La Navasse released a statement in which they stated Nazi Europa would help refound Dank Memes "Dank Memes shall become a fascist state and provide military assistance to Nazi Europa eternally",

Believing that since the region of Dank Memes has been permanently refounded by Nazi Europa, and this action was enabled by the actions of the previous native delegate,

Security Council Resolution #205 is a Resolution that has no purpose of being on the books anymore, and I believe this repeal is a very necessary thing. Generally, Liberation proposals are only kept on regions post-refound if there is still a symbolic purpose to them. In this situation, Dank Memes was given to the hands of Nazi Europa by La Navasse themself and all that Liberate Dank Memes continues to symbolize is La Navasse's naivety and lack of tact in their choice to buck the advice of multiple defender groups, choosing instead to affiliate with Nazis. The region was given up by the native, who sided with Nazis, and therefore a symbolic liberation (one authored by that very same native mind you) should not continue to stand.

I don't think I've got any violations, as "refound" has been established as a legal term in multiple prior Security Council resolutions, and I don't think there's anything else which might cause an issue in here. If there's no major opposition from parties that aren't La Navasse, I'm looking to submit this after Liberate Illuminati makes its way through the queue.

I've also preserved the dispatch I link in the proposal here, just in case La Navasse attempts to scrub that evidence.

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Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:The only tiny concern I had was with the link to the dispatch. Couldn't find anything explicitly banning them, unlike forum threads. However, couldn't see anything saying they were ok either.

Do you know if these have been ruled on before and I'm just blind to the ruling?

I had a minor concern about that as well, actually, but similarly I couldn't find any actual rulings on them either way. I figured that they can perceived as public statements from nations and/or regions, and therefore wouldn't be violating Rule 4. At the very least, they don't seem to raise red flags by any of the four sub-clauses of Rule 4, but this might be something for Moderation (Sedge?) to rule on then.

At the time when Dank Memes was held and refounded by Woodhouse, he was still affiliated with Nazi Europa. Once he left Nazi Europa, he rebranded Dank Memes to be property of BLITZKRIEG. However, given that at the time of the operation he was still with Nazi Europa, Nazi Europa was listed. It's why it also says formerly of Nazi Europa in the Repeal, acknowledging that Captain Woodhouse has now left it.

At the time when Dank Memes was held and refounded by Woodhouse, he was still affiliated with Nazi Europa. Once he left Nazi Europa, he rebranded Dank Memes to be property of BLITZKRIEG. However, given that at the time of the operation he was still with Nazi Europa, Nazi Europa was listed. It's why it also says formerly of Nazi Europa in the Repeal, acknowledging that Captain Woodhouse has now left it.

Yeah, but this proposal implies that NE currently controls it, which they don't. I guess this may be kind of nitpicking...

Tim-Opolis wrote:At the time when Dank Memes was held and refounded by Woodhouse, he was still affiliated with Nazi Europa. Once he left Nazi Europa, he rebranded Dank Memes to be property of BLITZKRIEG. However, given that at the time of the operation he was still with Nazi Europa, Nazi Europa was listed. It's why it also says formerly of Nazi Europa in the Repeal, acknowledging that Captain Woodhouse has now left it.

Yeah, but this proposal implies that NE currently controls it, which they don't. I guess this may be kind of nitpicking...

The intent is what matters. When Navasse worked with Woody, he was still an officer in NE.

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:The only tiny concern I had was with the link to the dispatch. Couldn't find anything explicitly banning them, unlike forum threads. However, couldn't see anything saying they were ok either.

Do you know if these have been ruled on before and I'm just blind to the ruling?

I had a minor concern about that as well, actually, but similarly I couldn't find any actual rulings on them either way.

I recall(but could not find) a ruling that mentioned that part of the reasoning behind not allowing links to forum threads was permanence. That the link would become a dead link if the thread were ever to die but a resolution, even if repealed, would be around forever. I suppose would apply to dispatches as well. This may(and is likely) a GA ruling so not necessarily applicable to The SC, but it does seem to me a very good reason.

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Tim-Opolis wrote: In this situation, Dank Memes was given to the hands of Nazi Europa by La Navasse themself

Wrong. I hawked DM on refound from Hydra—just as I hawked Union of Fascists from SovCon, Italian Social Republic from Antifa and The Modern German Fourth Reich from the WPAF. La Navasse didn't give me shit. I didn't need him to recognize an impending refound; he hadn't a clue when it would go down. There was no guarantee I'd grab DM's refound.

Out of the goodness of my dumb old heart, I allowed La Navasse to set up shop in DM until he told me he was done with the game. Then I closed the region. End of story.

The Stalker wrote:Full support definitely wanna see this off the books, almost thought of writing one myself.

Kaboomlandia wrote one sometime back, though it doesn't seem like he had the time to peruse it or something.viewtopic.php?f=24&t=389553

Yeah, I kind of dropped it because of RL time constraints + stopped giving a crap.

Tim, feel free to use anything out of mine with credit if you need.

EDIT: which would extend to NSA/Nohbdy as well.

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Given that the current proposal on the first page for repealing the liberation of Dank Memes has a difficult to work with author, and I've had this on the backburner for a bit, let's consider this revived as well.

I'll be looking to propose it after my repeal of Condemn Canterlot, unless divine intervention saves us from that becoming SC #220.

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Tim-Opolis wrote:Illuminating the fact that La Navasse released a dispatch to the world in which they stated Nazi Europa would help refound Dank Memes

Tim-Opolis wrote:I've also preserved the dispatch I link in the proposal here, just in case La Navasse attempts to scrub that evidence.

Illuminating the fact that La Navasse fantasizes a helluva lot, and that anyone who believed/believes La Navasse’s fantasies after I exposed them as such is displaying willfull ignorance of the truth. viewtopic.php?p=30063532#p30063532

Tim-Opolis wrote:Hugely Amused by the fact that Dank Memes was never returned to La Navasse, and is still held by Captain Woodhouse

Hugely amused by the author of Repeal Liberate Dank Memes thinking that repeating the ’N’ word enough times in his proposal will cloak Hydra’s painfully embarrassing hubris and the fact that Hydra failed to refound Dank Memes.

Given that a lot of the La Navasse rambling was centered around Nazi Europa, there is relevance in establishing your connection there.

Recognizing the situation came about due to Hydra Command screwing up their Dank Memes refound after stating it was a done deal. viewtopic.php?p=29833311#p29833311

You're not mistaken there, and I'll adjust the clause to reflect that more accurately. You can check it in the OP once I've edited it (which I haven't yet), but it'll be something along the lines of "Recognizing that this situation came about as a result of numerous blunders by former delegate La Navasse and the region's former invader occupiers". I think that successfully fixes the issue, since this rightfully simply pans the blame on La Navasse, as well as the tactical missteps that HyCom took in their attempted refound of the region.

The subsequent labels in regards to La Navasse colluding with Fascists are more a matter of establishing his woeful tactics as a native, and to remove any potential belief that the liberation should stay to be of symbolic sympathy towards La Navasse for his loss. I think they're appropriate to stay there, both to memorialize how hilarious it was, and to, as said before, establish that there should be no sympathy held towards this specific native.

EDIT: Draft #4 *sighs at how many drafts this has taken* is up.

If there's no more substantial issues, following my amending for some fact checking by Woodhouse, I'll be looking to submit - say - this weekend.

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Emphasizing a specific part of the statement which said "Dank Memes shall become a fascist state and provide military assistance to Nazi Europa eternally",

Which was indeed never carried out in full. The *Washington Red Skins Fascist Party* (don't ask) was the only real "showing" of Fascist elements, in which nothing was ever done with it, and the only miliary assistance ever provided to Nazi Europa was my puppet, Worshenia, supporting The NSIA for Nazi Europa.

In short, the statement was never really "active," so this phrase should be revised to:

Emphasizing a specific part of the admittedly inoperative statement which said "Dank Memes shall become a fascist state and provide military assistance to Nazi Europa eternally,"

The execution of this statement was simply adding in "fascist" one time into the WFE, renaming the Washington Red Skins Party to the Washington Red Skins Fascist Party (I'm not even sure if this renaming even happened), and one puppet of mine going in to support NE in The NSIA. I'm not sure if this counts as "eternally," either.

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