Kommentare

Kommentar von tokyo

Increases chance to block by 11.80% which is really quite nice. It seems to be an effort on Blizzard's part to make paladin tanking more viable because of all the reactive threat talents tanking paladins use.

With imp. Judgment, the tank will have only 4 seconds of waiting time before getting that increased chance. I'm also assuming there is no hidden cooldown for this item because it is linked to an ability with its own CD. It'd be helpful if anyone could confirm/deny this assumption.

Kommentar von WolfBlitzer

This libram provides shield block *value*, not shield block *rating*. Rating is what increases your chance to block; block value increases the amount of damage that a successful block absorbs.

If this libram's buff lasted for an entire judgement cooldown and thus provided effectively static extra block value, then it might be a very nice item. As it stands though, it'll provide that extra 93 mitigation only 40-50% of the time (depending on if you have improved Judgement or not). Probably not something that most tankadins would give their Libram of Repentance up for, unless they're already passing 100% uncrushable without the extra 5.3% block.

Long story short, a rather disappointing libram considering where it drops.

Kommentar von Glenhaggis

It's not that bad. As Syph points out, you could be well into uncrushable without the Libram of Repentance at that gear level. Plus, most paladin tanks have Improved Judgment (it's not like we have many spec options), and particularly in cases where you're AoE tanking, 93 block value half the time isn't anything to sneeze at.

Would be nicer if block value had as much utility for Prot paladins as it does for Prot warriors, but we can't have everything.

Kommentar von larkhainan

Absolutely terrible item, complete waste of a raid drop. It simply doesn't mitigate enough damage to be worthwhile on any level, beyond overgeared heroic instance farming wherein you might as well just put on better spelldamage plate to help out. Block value's worth for warriors is primarily to do with the increase to threat-generation, not really the fact you block a little more. Paladins get nothing like this.

Prot paladins have enough problems that they face off against. Subpar, joke itemization that's worse than heroic badge rewards not only means the class doesn't scale up with the raid game, it also means that people will become angry at seeing bad prot paladin drops when they don't even want them.

edit : btw, to those replying harshly, I'm in black temple and we use a prot paladin. His biggest problem is lack of stamina, increased by the harsh demands of reaching uncrushability. He has to make sacrifices in a number of places, and using this libram would make it even harder for what amounts to no real reason. While you may feel very satisfied in your smug responses, I seriously question how many of you are actually in black temple, using these items and facing the problems he is. He needs more health and he needs better itemization. Not junk like this. Sorry.

Kommentar von Melange

Wrong. At over 102.4, the only other option for the pally tank does -nothing. This is the best libram period.

Kommentar von Glenhaggis

So, larkhainan... you'd rather have 5% more block than you need to remain uncrushable over something that actually benefits you at that gear level?

Once you've got gear at that level, block value is getting pushed off the table. While this isn't IDEAL, it's better than 5% block that isn't doing anything anymore at that point in the game in certain gear sets.

Kommentar von Viertel

Not too bright, are you? The major complaint of the Tankadin masses is that the ranged weapon slot (or Libram for us) has yet to be filled with an item that gives us the same benefit that a Warrior can get -- raid mitigation.

Once you become uncrushable, the best way to bump up your survivablity is to increase your raid mitigation. This is done via a combination of health, armor, and block value. All three are important even if one of those doesn't actively affect our threat like it does for a Warrior. Smart Warriors get block value for the raw mitigation it will give them to reduce their *percentage* incoming damage, not raw value; they are just lucky in that it affects their threat spike move as well so it gives them a better incentive to go for it. *Every* bit helps to mitigate damage, and throwing away a rather large amount of block value when there literally IS nothing else better once you obtain that is idiotic.

Saying this libram is terrible displays a gross ignorance of the class and a lack of fundamental understanding of raid tanking. A pure stamina libram would be better, yes, but this item is hardly a "joke," "useless," or "terrible". It's not perfect, but very few items are and until they allow librams that have raw stats on them Librams never *will* be perfect.

Kommentar von Skulli

I want to see a prot paladin that tanks mother...Just a waste of raid loot imo, atleast for that boss.

Kommentar von larkhainan

You guys entirely miss the point. Seriously, calm down, take a deep breath.

Itemization can and should be better. Paladin tanks are rare, which is shame, since they offer solutions to a great number of problems a raid can come across. That and it's a lot of fun to have more options when respeccing on the weekend. If you're a paladin like me, you enjoy trying out all the different aspects of your class. Part of the reason paladin tanks are rare is the itemization was frankly so terrible when TBC landed. One only needs to go look at the laughable amount of stamina available on the original version of Justicar to see why paladin tanks flopped off the bat.

Blizzard will never give the class better items - And frankly, it's silly to call this decent when you'd only use it over a heroic badge reward when you reach a point in itemization that only a handful of paladins have ever reached - As long as people act like the tiny crumbs they get are somehow amazing. This item does something, yes. I agree, it's not entirely useless. It could do more, and it SHOULD. On a hard hitting boss where mitigation counts, this item is a less than 1% reduction in incoming damage. Not sure why that satisfies you. I invite you to post an armory link of your mighty paladin using this. Since originally making that post, I did actually find one : http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Tichondrius&n=Aalryn

However she's not even at 102.4 so I have no idea what to think about that.

People complained about the subpar itemization at launch. Blizzard worked on it.People complained about the base health gap between paladins and warriors. Looks like they're fixing that too.People complained that SA doesn't necessarily provide enough mana after the nerf. Again, that looks to be getting fixed.

As to the fact that librams are a bit tricky because they don't have raw stats, be reasonable. It's more than possible to add a wealth of modifiers to librams that would make them highly desireable beyond adding to a very, very minor stat. A libram that boosted the effectiveness of Righteous Fury, or any seal we use, or reduced incoming spell damage, changed something we do or hasted our swing timer or all sorts of stuff could do a great deal more for one's mitigation, threat gen and so on.

Mind you the fact we're arguing over the one, single protection paladin libram raid drop is pretty sad in and of itself. Even if they never buff this item, the fact it's a single little lonely item is just kinda dismal in and of itself.

Kommentar von lolpatrol

Am i reading this right or does the libram read:"If fighting 2.0 speed boss, absorbs 241 points of damage every 8 seconds"?Of course in a multi-mob tanking situation the benefit skyrockets.

Kommentar von blademeld

3 words

multi-mob tanking

this will apply even if you're not uncrushable the best tanks to ensure that you live though AoE trash pulls in raids and heroics are paladins, this will help with migation from thrash mobs

if the trash mobs hit you for 1k, and you have 300 absorbtion on your shield blocks already, they will add another 93 to it, effectively reducing the total damage you take down to ~600

yes, this is good if you have uncrushable, but librams that add + spell damage (to seal of rightouseness/vengence/blood, or consecration) is better for boss tanking in that case

Kommentar von PTank05

No pally tank at this point of progression should have any trouble hitting 102.4%. Period. As others have said, the item is "ok" against bosses (yes, it could certainly be much better), and really good for AoE. I suppose the main problem with the drop is it's placement in progression....it'd be much more useful if it dropped before Hyjal so you could use it there rather than at a point in the game where you've already tanked the hardest AoE stuff available.

Of course I'd rather have 40 stam in the slot, but at least this is an upgrade

Kommentar von Druski

There seems to be considerable confusion as to the usefulness of this libram. As a pally tank I have reached uncrushable without needing my block rating libram while nearing the end of SSC and TK. Thus, looking ahead to future content I see this libram and am not required to worry about stacking block rating which is already being pushed off the attack table.

That being said, this libram is amazing when used for its intended role: AoE tanking. True, against a single target (boss) this libram is not going to mitigate nearly as much damage as one would hope for, and is still not giving the stamina we would like from that ranged slot. However, Pally tanks have a niche that is currently securely their own, and thats the AE tank. While I can and do MT many situations, im the only one that can AE tank, and for those situations, this libram is king. In fights such as Solarian, Tidewalker, Al'ar, the new ZA dragonhawk fight, and as i've heard Hyjal, an AE tank is extremely useful if not required. When tanking these fights i stack up mitigation to reduce each and every one of the numerous small blocked hits that are incoming. Blessing of sanc, earthen elixir and this libram all work very well towards that end.

I submit that this libram is excellent when used for what it was intended: making the pally tank better at what it is uniquely suited for: AE tanking. Naturally that is not all a pally tank does, but when he does it, it is done well.

All that said, its a shame that one must already have cleared the most difficult AE situations to get to the point where this will drop. Still, i'll be happy when i get it.

Kommentar von Wowgeek

I gotta drop my .02 cents because of the drama here.

This libram, imo, is great for AoE but for 1on1 I can't see much use.

Considering a raid boss is going to akt say, 2.0 (lets just say average over all the boss's) with some casting thrown in...

And if your taking dmg (not blocking 100%), I mean thats 183 DMG per (assuming you get hit only twice).

IMO, this is a better item outside of raids (or in, sometimes) when the pally is AoE tanking when he's blocking like a mad man.

But I'm no were near BT. Actually my pally isn't even kara yet, but I'm just making an edgucated guess as to what Blizzard was thinking.

And people, dont forget. You can keep more then 1 libram in your bag. Just switch it for what works best.

Kommentar von Kellann

I think everyone is overlooking 2 important aspects of this Libram's use:

1: At that stage of the game, it's fairly safe to assume that you'd be able to forego the 5%ish block rating excess...and that means you can instead wear (A) a threat libram (B) a 'smallheal on judge' libram or (C) this, the ONLY mitigation libram.

2: 93*1.3=120 Even if it's only active 40/50% of the time, that's still hella better than the similar tier LoLbonus /grumble

Kommentar von Hwang

This libram isn't all that great for bosses, but if you think about it's use for AoE tanking, it's seems much better. While I can and have been MT on several bosses, my main reason for being in the raid is because I can hold aggro on 59012347890 mobs at once. When you have a lot of mobs wailing on you at once, that 93 block value becomes much more significant as you'll be blocking a hell of a lot more.

Kommentar von greencloak

So like 5 people in a row said "I think your overlooking the blah blah blah". fact is this libram is the best there is. yes it is. we understand this. no it is not better or even comperable to a warrior ranged item slot. personally, i dont feel it even compares to some of the druid item slots. just cross your fingers and hope 2.4 brings better toys for us to play with.

Kommentar von Sixius

Kommentar von Vares

If you're tanking 4 mobs, each of whom are hitting you for 5-600 every five seconds, this libram will mitigate ~744 of the 2000-2400 damage you receive in that time.

That's already much more than the 400 stam you'd receive from a +40 stam libram, even after taking the 16% from pally stam talents into account. And that's just in the first 5 seconds, think about the amount of damage this thing will soak up over the course of the whole fight.

This is a good libram. Even pre-buff, it was a good libram. IMO anyway.

Kommentar von Nephili

The 186 has to be factored in with shield spec. With 2/2 Improved Judgement, you're actually blocking for an extra ~241, with a ~60% uptime.

For the example of 4 blocks in 5 seconds, that's actually ~967 mitigated from the 2-2.4k incoming damage. If you were actually tanking 4 mobs, you'd mitigate a lot more as they'd attack at least twice in that 5-second window.

For a typical Hyjal trash wave, you should be taking almost no damage from ghouls at all, and significantly less from crypt fiends and aboms (when not stun-locked)

I'd prefer a little more uptime on the buff, but it's even better than it was before, and even then it was still our best libram.

Kommentar von Gooey

That, and I actually start to take too little damage at some point when AOE tanking in places like Mt. Hyjal in T6 gear, which causes me to not require that much healing, which reduces the mana returned from spiritual attunement, which causes me to run out of mana over a period of time. I would much rather have a health libram. If i was lesser geared then perhaps this item would be better, but I would rather take this damage instead of mitigate it. Besides, the AOE tanking situations setup for prot paladins are gimmicky in nature. We are tanking mobs that rarely ever hit very hard. It is not like it is even that important to increase how well you can tank an AOE situation when you can already tank it just fine. So getting this libram is someone redundantly improving an area that doesn't need any improvement. Lately I tend to use the Libram of Eternal Rest just because it allows me to take enough damage to keep up my mana and let's me produce more threat in both the short and long term.

I would much rather have a stamina libram or some other cool threat effect that would allow me to both survive (via avoidance or stamina) and produce better threat over the long term.

Kommentar von omberg

You will from patch 2.4 counting, receive an extra 186 block rating instead of the old value of 93! Huge upgrade! Hurrah!

Kommentar von Warcraft

Somebody really needs to down-rank all the early negative comments made on this libram. Contrary to the clueless feedback left here by Tankadins who either do not understand their class or are no where near this libram's gear level, this is our best relic, and it does a remarkable job of accenting our specialty of multi-mob tanking.

It's old incarnation of 93 block value for 4 seconds was amazing enough as it was, and the new 186 block value for 5 seconds cannot be described as anything other than pure imbalance. Having this libram equipped is like having a Gnomeregan Auto-Blocker 600 up 50% of the time (62.5% with Improved Judgement).

To everyone idolizing Libram of Repentance... At the gear level that this tome is actually meant to be obtained at, that libram will be literally worthless to you. I, personally, am so well past uncrushable that I don't even use my Libram of Repentance for Illidan (and that's a fight where the MT must reach uncrushability without miss chance, because Illidan's Shear cannot miss).

And to everyone wishing that we had a stamina libram... You can't see beyond your noses. The exact numbers will vary depending on talents, but assuming a typical build, every physical hit you take while this libram is active is worth ~20 stamina. In other words, if you only take 2 hits every time it's up, it's already worth more HP than is given by any ranged item in the game.

Kommentar von fgbkw

This libram is really quite good, yes, but it'd've been more useful back in Hyjal.

Odds are that by the time you're downing Mother, you've had MH on farm for a few weeks, so you don't really need this libram to aoe tank the previous instance.