Tier 13

Keep in mind we do intend to allow tier 13 set pieces to drop for those using the upcoming Raid Finder. Similar to the difference between normal and Heroic versions of tier sets, the Raid Finder set will have a lower item level than the normal and Heroic counterparts.

Set pieces from all three difficulty levels can still be mixed and matched for the 2- and 4-piece bonuses.

Ultimately, we recognize that making these set pieces available only as raid drops leaves players much more subject to RNG drop rates/loot rolls, but we have a couple of plans to try and alleviate the sense of burden that stems from the randomness of token drops.

The way tier 13 pieces will be obtained in the 4.3 raid won't be unlike raids past, meaning players will still need to roll on multi-class set tokens. That said, we'll be tweaking the tier 13 10-player drop rates a little bit (for the better) relative to the 25-player version, given that these tier pieces can't be purchased from vendors for Valor Points.

In addition, due to tier pieces not being offered for Valor Points, another thing you'll see in patch 4.3 is a much wider array of desirable non-set loot (covering more slots than prior patches) available from the vendors, for those players who are unlucky with specific token drops, or who aren't interested in raiding -- although, once you get more details about the Raid Finder, we hope you'll find interest in having a go.

I felt this warranted its own response in a separate thread, but for those who missed it, here's my response to the original thread about tier 13 pieces being raid drops only:

Cool! Thanks. Most of this tier was attempting to play off a new ability the class got in Cataclysm, so for instance Time Warp for mages and Wild Mushroom for druid, in some cases (like warrior or warlock) there's playing off of the raid and those themes, and then for others it's a bit more just doing something we think represents the class in a more abstract manner.

So Paladins will look like Guardian of Ancient Kings?

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Dragon Soul Raid Interview with Scott Mercer (Spoilers)

In World of Warcraft content patch 4.3, players will make their ultimate stand against Deathwing the Destroyer. Almost a year has passed since the corrupted Dragon Aspect burst forth from the Maelstorm to bring the Cataclysm down upon the mortal races. Now the determined survivors from the Horde and Alliance have rallied to unleash vengeance of their own.

To prepare for this earth-shattering battle, the Blizzard Insider recently discussed the upcoming Dragon Soul raid with Scott Mercer, lead encounter designer from the World of Warcraft team. Read on for all the epic details.

***CAUTION: THIS INTERVIEW CONTAINS SPOILER INFORMATION ON THE CATACLYSM STORY AND THE FINAL BATTLE AGAINST DEATHWING.***

Blizzard Insider: Before we dive into the details, can you tell us about Deathwing’s character arc to date?

Scott Mercer: Deathwing has changed the face of Azeroth probably more than any other villain in Warcraft’s history. He tore the Barrens in half. He caused tidal waves that transformed both continents. He even burned his claw marks into Stormwind Keep, leaving his personal signature on the Alliance capital. In many ways Deathwing embodies the Cataclysm itself, not just as the direct cause of it, but also as the thematic center of the expansion. His violent transformation from Earth-Warder to Destroyer ultimately led to all these changes across Azeroth, so in a very direct way, his character arc represents the force that set the entire expansion into motion.

That said, we’ve been building towards a showdown with Deathwing for some time. Players have been wrestling with his Twilight's Hammer minions since before Cataclysm, and we’ve already seen Deathwing defeat Alexstrasza in single combat. The powers that be in Azeroth know Deathwing presents a mortal threat, so in the wake of all the chaos and destruction, forces are finally rallying to oppose him. That’s how patch 4.3 begins, with the major players of Azeroth gathering to decide how they are going to tackle this seemingly unstoppable monster.

Insider: Can you tell us about the new 5-player dungeons that lead into the Deathwing raid?

Scott Mercer: The short version is that the players are sent on a series of quests to recover the Dragon Soul artifact so Thrall and the other dragonflights will have the firepower they need to confront Deathwing. The new 5-player dungeons involve the Caverns of Time and require the players to go forward in time to witness a future where Deathwing has destroyed the world. Then, from that bleak future, they must go back in time to the War of the Ancients to recover the Dragon Soul and bring it back to the present. We’ve discussed a lot more details on the new 5-player dungeons in other interviews. They're going to lead in directly to the patch 4.3 raid instance, which is called Dragon Soul. When the raid begins, the players have recovered the Dragon Soul artifact and arrive at Wyrmrest Temple to find it under siege by Deathwing’s forces.

Insider: Aside from a battle with Deathwing, what other encounters do you have planned for the Dragon Soul raid?

Scott Mercer: When players first arrive at Wyrmrest, they have to fight off a variety of Deathwing’s minions who are laying siege to the temple. There’s Morchok, a stone giant who is pounding the base of Wyrmrest, and Warlord Zon’ozz and Yor’sajh the Unsleeping, two servants of the Old Gods in league with Deathwing who are summoning more minions to sack the gates.

In addition to lifting the siege around Wyrmrest, the players also have to return to the Eye of Eternity to get the Focusing Iris so the Dragon Aspects can refocus their power into the Dragon Soul. We have some new gameplay elements in mind for these raids, including a mechanic where players are granted the ability to dodge a deadly attack from a twilight dragon by phasing away.

Insider: What details can you tell us about the Deathwing raid? How does it differ from other raids?

Scott Mercer: Dragon Soul is the most story-driven raid we’ve ever created. We’re even building several cut scenes to transition between the last three stages of the final encounter with Deathwing.

The first stage occurs as players are flying on an airship, chasing down Deathwing while his Twilight's Hammer drake riders are swooping in to harry the pursuit. In the second stage, players paratroop commando-style onto Deathwing’s back and start ripping up his armor, trying to pry a hole big enough to give Thrall a clean shot with the Dragon Soul. During this phase, players are actually riding on Deathwing as he’s swooping around and trying to knock the players off with barrel rolls and such. Players will have to hang on at key points in the fight to avoid falling while also tangling with all kinds of monstrosities that are rising out of Deathwing’s corrupted magma blood. Once the players get enough of Deathwing’s armor off, Thrall blasts Deathwing with the Dragon Soul and sends him crash-landing into the Maelstrom.

Insider: Very cool! And the final stage?

Scott Mercer: Well, the interesting thing about Deathwing’s armor is that it wasn’t really built to keep things out--he doesn’t have to worry about weapons like swords and arrows. Instead it was built to keep things in. His body is this incredibly volatile mixture of corruptive energy and burning magma, so without his armor to hold it all together, he starts to lose it and come apart in all kinds of crazy ways. The final stage of the raid begins when Deathwing’s deformed body rises out of the Maelstrom to face off against the players in the final showdown. I won’t go into too much detail about this final stage, but I will say that it’s going to be unbelievably epic. Even in his weakened state, Deathwing still presents a major threat, and bringing him down will require the combined efforts of the players, Thrall, and even the other Dragon Aspects.

Insider: What difficulties did you encounter while designing the Deathwing battle?

Scott Mercer: It took a lot of new technologies to set up the fight on Deathwing’s back. The artists in particular focused on selling the fantasy that you’re grappling with a giant dragon midflight. We’ve never done anything quite like that before. Overall, setting the right scope for an encounter like Deathwing required a lot of development disciplines working together--artists, coders, encounter designers, level designers, and animators. We built corrupted Deathwing as a giant set piece with a lot of moving parts--probably our most complicated character model to date--but we felt it was necessary to convey the epic scale and do justice to the final boss of Cataclysm.

Scott Mercer: There will be a new tier of armor sets, of course. We’re also adding a new legendary weapon--a pair of daggers for rogues--with a new quest chain involved in obtaining them. The artists and animators are working on a new mount, a drake from the red dragonflight that borrows many visual elements from the Alexstrasza character model. Players can get one version of the new mount as the reward for the meta achievement for completing all other Dragon Soul achievements. There will also be a second, rarer version of the mount, that’s obtainable as a single, guaranteed drop off Heroic corrupted Deathwing.

Insider: Thanks for your time. Is there anything else you’d like to share before you go?

Scott Mercer: Sure, there’s a lot going into the next content update besides just the Dragon Soul raid--Transmogrification, Void Storage, the new Darkmoon Faire, and more. The patch should have something for everyone.

Be sure to check these links for all the latest details on the other features coming with patch 4.3:

Brewfest

Every year, the brewmasters from Drohn’s Distillery, T’chali’s Voodoo Brewery, the Barleybrews, and the Thunderbrews celebrate their handiwork with two weeks of fun, frivolity, steins, spirits, and sausages right outside the gates of Ironforge and Orgrimmar. It’s an event that includes many opportunities for characters of all levels to drink together, participate in intoxicating quests, and earn many achievements that are only available during this holiday.

But it’s mainly about the brew!

With so many revelers enjoying the fermented fruits of the harvest -- pretzels, cheese, and booze -- it’s only a matter of time before the Dark Iron Dwarves from Blackrock Mountain will crash the party. You can team up and drive them back to the Grim Guzzler to earn valuable Brewfest Prize Tokens. If the Dark Iron are already running for the mountains, you can also earn tokens by completing daily keg deliveries, barking runs for the brewers, and other quests that you can drink your way through. After a few too many, you might even spot a pink elekk or wild wolpertinger.

This is also the only time of the year that groups of players can track down and fight the mug-wielding boss Coren Direbrew in Blackrock Depths. Coren Direbrew is even more powerful this year than in years past, with a stash of loot that he has spent all year improving and updating, and defeating him is your only chance to win a Swift Brewfest Ram or a Great Brewfest Kodo. Don’t forget, as with any holiday-related boss you can queue up to take him on directly from the Dungeon Finder.

Don’t forget to join Gelbin Mekkatorque or Vol’jin at the stand in the Brewfest grounds at 6:15 a.m. and 6:15 p.m. every day during Brewfest, for the tapping of the keg. They’ll get your day or night started right with a buff that grants 10% extra experience from your kills for two hours.

Blizz Blues #32, Legendary #44 and The Weekly Marmot

Diablo III Beta Is Live

The fiery gates leading to the Burning Hells have begun to swing open, and the Diablo III beta test is officially underway. Invitations to participate in the beta test are now being delivered to the chosen heroes. As with beta tests for other Blizzard Entertainment games, the testing process for Diablo III will occur in phases. In addition to selecting players who have opted in via their Battle.net accounts, we’ll also be providing keys through beta promotions and giveaways -- stay tuned for more info. We welcome those invited to provide feedback or report bugs on the official forums.

If you have a beta license, you are free to show, share, or talk about any portion of the beta content to which you have access, as this beta test is not confidential.

We’d like to remind those looking forward to an invite to be wary of phishing attempts. If you believe you’ve received an invite to the Diablo III beta test, it’s best to refrain from clicking on any links in the email, and instead log in to your Battle.net account to see if a Diablo III beta game account was granted. Or, if you were sent a key, attempt to add it manually by going to the Add or Upgrade a Game section of the Battle.net account management page.

For those who have received an invite to the beta test, we thank you for helping us test out our server stability and hardware. For those of you still hoping for an invite, we wish you the best of luck and hope you’ll keep an eye out for some of the beta-key giveaways and promotions we’ll have right here on the Diablo III community site.

2 Million Facebook Likes

Over two million people are now following our Warcraft Facebook page! To show you how much we love you for "Liking" us, we've released a new desktop wallpaper image featuring Azeroth's favorite newlyweds, Thrall and Aggra, standing together against the fury of the Maelstrom. Head over to our wallpaper gallery to download this picture-perfect moment for yourself, or to check out the rest of our wallpaper art.

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Wolfheart Novel

New York Times bestselling author Richard A. Knaak's latest book chronicles a series of pivotal events in the aftermath of the Cataclysm, as conflict engulfs every corner of Azeroth. Hungering for more resources amid the turmoil, the Horde have pressed into Ashenvale to feed their burgeoning war machine. There, acting warchief Garrosh Hellscream has employed a brutal new tactic to conquer the region and crush its night elf defenders. Unless the Alliance can overcome its own political strife, the new warchief might succeed in seizing Ashenvale.

Wolfheart is the story of King Varian Wrynn's struggle to accept the worgen of Gilneas into the Alliance and come to terms with the wolf within himself. As the Horde threat emerges in Ashenvale, Varian's ability to triumph over his own failings will determine the fate of the entire Alliance.

Excerpt One

The breathing became labored, exhausted. The orcs heard stumbling.

Then there came a violent thud. The cage shuddered and almost slipped again. Only the strength of nearly two dozen struggling orcs kept that from happening.

Briln and the others waited several tense moments, but there was no renewed movement or sound. With caution, the captain approached the covered cage. Becoming more daring, he prodded the tarp.

Nothing happened. Briln exhaled in relief, then turned to the others. "Load that thing aboard, then get those bars bent back and that hole covered with something! Better make sure that there's always a sack of that herb concoction the shaman gave us ready to sprinkle on the thing's food! We can't afford this on the seas!"

The other orcs moved to follow his orders. The captain studied the silhouettes of the other ships. Each contained such a cage. The new warchief Garrosh had commanded that this venture be completed, regardless of the cost in seeing it done. Briln and the others here had not questioned that cost, either, for all would have readily perished for the legendary overlord of the Warsong offensive. Garrosh's deeds were epic and retold over and over in the Horde. He was also the son of the late Grom Hellscream and had been an advisor to Thrall, the orc leader who had freed their people from captivity.

Yes, no matter how many lives it had already cost and would likely cost by the time the fleet reached its destination, it was all worth it to Briln and the others. The Horde was at last within grasp of its destiny. It had the vitality, the drive, that this altered Azeroth deserved. Those who had held power so long in the world had become decadent... too weak and soft. The Horde--and especially the orcs--would finally stake its claim on the more lush regions that it needed not only to survive but finally to thrive as it had long deserved.

This recent Cataclysm, so Garrosh had impressed upon his people, was the great sign that this was their day. The world had been torn asunder, and to survive meant to be able to adapt to its much-transformed lands.

The crewmembers finally had the last cage loaded. Briln watched as they sealed the hull. They had a fair supply of the sleep powder in stock, and there were other threats that were supposed to keep the creatures in line, but the elder orc looked forward to the end of the journey.

Aboard deck, his first mate saluted. "Everything's secured, Captain! All set to sail on your word!"

"Get us going, then," Briln growled. "The sooner we get this cargo to Garrosh, the sooner it becomes the Alliance's trouble...."

The other orc grunted agreement, then turned to bellow Briln's command. In short order, the ship pulled away from the dock.

The winds whirled madly and thunder crashed. A storm was brewing, the last thing the fleet needed. Still, the captain thought it nothing compared to what the Horde's enemies would soon face. Briln stared beyond the dark, swirling waters, imagining the fleet's destination, imagining what his cargo would do once Garrosh had it under his reins.

And for a moment, Briln almost pitied Ashenvale's defenders, almost pitied the night elves.

But then... they were only night elves....

Excerpt Two

"Hail, King of Gilneas," the archdruid solemnly declared.

"Gilneas..." murmured the brawny, dour figure. Genn Greymane resembled a bear, albeit an aging one. No handsome man, he yet had a commanding presence and eyes still sharp and quick for a human of his more mature age. Unlike the night elf, Genn sported a much shorter, clipped beard. He stood taller than Eadrik, which brought him slightly nearer to the night elf in stature.

"Gilneas..." the king repeated. "In name only, Archdruid."

"For now!" Eadrik piped up.

"We shall see." Glancing at the other human, Genn added, "And why is the archdruid here? I asked you to see about an audience with him, not drag him to me--"

Malfurion interjected before the misunderstanding could grow out of proportion. "I told your man to take me to you, Genn. Your request coincided with my need to talk with you. Following Eadrik back saved valuable time."

"It's about the summit, Archdruid."

"Of course. Gilneas is one of the most prominent reasons I sought to bring it to fruition. Your people's admission to the Alliance is--"

"Re-admission, you mean," the king growled with much bitterness. "After I was foolish enough to think that Gilneas was best served taking matters into its own hands."

"Genn! The curse was something beyond your control! You could not have--"

"It doesn't matter!" the lord of Gilneas growled, for the moment sounding more like an animal than a man. He leaned into the archdruid, and although Malfurion was still taller, to the night elf it seemed that their gazes met evenly. Genn seemed bigger, wilder. "It doesn't matter! We are and will always be cursed!"

Malfurion fought to take command of the conversation again. "We wanted to speak to one another about the gathering. The first emissaries will be arriving tomorrow."

Genn deflated. "Yes. The summit. They'll all have their chance to judge me for my foolish mistakes."

"I have been in contact with several of them. They understand the necessities of the time. They understand that you regret all that happened. They also can appreciate what you and your people can offer."

The night elf extended a comforting hand to the human's shoulder. Genn accepted it without question. "You have gained far better control of it than you think. You offer nothing but advantage, Genn. At the very least, they will have to seriously consider that aspect."

"Even Stormwind?"

"I have no answer there," Malfurion admitted. "But I have great hope." The archdruid leaned closer. "He is coming. That was what I especially wanted to tell you."

"Stormwind is coming?" blurted Eadrik. "My lord! That means--"

"Exactly nothing," the king of Gilneas responded at first. Still, his eyes shone with hope of his own. "No... perhaps it means much... if he and I can set aside our differences. I know that I'm more than willing."

"Varian Wrynn is a wise man," the archdruid pointed out. "Stormwind would not be what it is if he were not."

Genn finally could not help smiling at the news. "As you say. This lightens my heart! There is a chance, after all. If he's coming, he must be willing to let bygones be bygones...."

Malfurion pulled back. "I need to return to dealing with the summit. I merely wanted to assure you that there is every reason to believe that Gilneas will be accepted into the Alliance. I want your promise that you will attend as previously stated and be willing to show your humility as well as your strength."

"I'll be doing my part, don't you doubt it, Archdruid." Genn offered his hand, which Malfurion shook. "There's my promise again on all we agreed to. If there's any hope of seeing our home again, it's to get through this summit."

"And I promise again to see that everyone understands the import of this... even Stormwind."

Genn Greymane signaled to Eadrik, who slipped into the forest. The lord of Gilneas gave Malfurion one last grateful nod. "I know you'll do all you can. It wouldn't have gotten this far without you, Archdruid." Genn gritted his teeth. "But from here on, you know it all lies in one man's hands."

"He will come to see things as they must be for all our sakes."

"I believe that, but let us pray to your Elune just the same. I'll take all the help we can get...." With that, the king slipped into the forest.

The archdruid stood there, momentarily caught up in his thoughts. His gaze fixed on the area into which Genn and Eadrik had departed.

A large, dark shape momentarily arose among the underbrush, then disappeared among the trees again. It was tall enough to be a man... but was not.

The sight, though expected, still jarred the night elf slightly. As he turned, he again silently swore to do everything he could to help the refugees from Gilneas, including ensure that they were welcomed back into the Alliance by everyone.

After all, they might never even have been cursed if not for Malfurion.

PayPal and Battle.net

We're pleased to announce that in most regions, PayPal will be our payment-service partner for the Diablo III auction house, allowing players who trade with real-world currency the ability to cash out the spoils of their battle-torn adventures via a PayPal account.

PayPal will also soon be added in several regions as a payment option on Battle.net, providing another convenient and secure payment method for digital purchases of Blizzard products and services.

We’ll share region-related specifics, as well as further details on everything mentioned above, in the near future. Stay tuned!

Comments

Comment by Gigasmash

Oh great.More Chris Metzen worship.Could we honor or at least acknowledge any other heroes this expac?

All-in-all impressed with additions this patch though.Nice diversity.

Comment by TrojanWhite

on Wed, 21 Sep 2011 18:21:47 -0500

Cool beans. Liked the new screens they added and definitely looking forward to paladin T13 now.

Comment by Narinae

on Wed, 21 Sep 2011 19:37:27 -0500

Time to dusk off the WoW Knaak novel drinking game! It's very simple: take a drink for every use of "leviathan." Finish your drink if it's to describe something other than a dragon.

You'll be too drunk to read long before the end, a win-win situation.

Comment by Interest

on Wed, 21 Sep 2011 20:15:43 -0500

I lol'd at the Guardian of the Ancient Kings/Panda bit.

Comment by Berndorf

on Wed, 21 Sep 2011 20:26:14 -0500

From what I am reading/seeing of the Endtime instance I can't help but say how much it reminds me of the future seen in the Dragonlance: time of the twins books. I get the sense that someone who had a big hand in shaping that instance or all three had read those books and gotten some inspiration from them. Anyone else know what I am referring to?

Comment by Adamsm

on Wed, 21 Sep 2011 20:30:59 -0500

From what I am reading/seeing of the Endtime instance I can't help but say how much it reminds me of the future seen in the Dragonlance: time of the twins books. I get the sense that someone who had a big hand in shaping that instance or all three had read those books and gotten some inspiration from them. Anyone else know what I am referring to?

Where it's just Raistilin vs the Dark Goddess for control of the final breath of the world and the real world was pulled into the Abyss? Dude, that's in hundreds of fantasy themed series, it's not like Dragonlance was the only one.

Comment by Berndorf

on Wed, 21 Sep 2011 20:36:22 -0500

From what I am reading/seeing of the Endtime instance I can't help but say how much it reminds me of the future seen in the Dragonlance: time of the twins books. I get the sense that someone who had a big hand in shaping that instance or all three had read those books and gotten some inspiration from them. Anyone else know what I am referring to?

Where it's just Raistilin vs the Dark Goddess for control of the final breath of the world and the real world was pulled into the Abyss? Dude, that's in hundreds of fantasy themed series, it's not like Dragonlance was the only one.

well yes, in terms of it just being Raistilin by himself and the world having been reduced to ash and nothingness. I never said Dragonlance was the only book to put forth such a scenario either, just that it made me think of it after seeing some of the screens and what was going on in the instance and it possibly having an influence on it. wow is more than known for stealing ideas for its lore/expansions from other fantasy lore and such although most all books steal ideas in one way or another.

Comment by Rankkor

on Thu, 22 Sep 2011 13:22:34 -0500

Oh great.More Chris Metzen worship.Could we honor or at least acknowledge any other heroes this expac?

-.- why is everyone whining so much about the focus Thrall has received in this expansion?

I dont remember any QQ when Tirion was the focus of the expansion a while ago. And he was present in no less than 3 different zones. Despite the fact that so many heroes died fighting the scourge, HE was the one who humped the spotlight to no end. To the point that its him on the trailer for 3.3, and its him on the FRIKKING ENDING CINEMATIC of WOTLK.

Not to mention that shiny statue of gold in the center of the main city in that expansion. There for all to remember that he is more important that everyone else.

yet I saw nobody crying about it.

now its thrall's turn and everyone is b1tching to no end.

Comment by TagraNar

on Thu, 22 Sep 2011 13:30:18 -0500

Oh great.More Chris Metzen worship.Could we honor or at least acknowledge any other heroes this expac?

-.- why is everyone whining so much about the focus Thrall has received in this expansion?

I dont remember any QQ when Tirion was the focus of the expansion a while ago. And he was present in no less than 3 different zones. Despite the fact that so many heroes died fighting the scourge, HE was the one who humped the spotlight to no end. To the point that its him on the trailer for 3.3, and its him on the FRIKKING ENDING CINEMATIC of WOTLK.

Not to mention that shiny statue of gold in the center of the main city in that expansion. There for all to remember that he is more important that everyone else.

yet I saw nobody crying about it.

now its thrall's turn and everyone is b1tching to no end.Obviously Tirion bugged you, but nowhere in Tirion's various appearances did he reach the level of Gerrard Syndrome Thrall has been hitting lately. I think people want the old Thrall, not this touchy-feely, ORC WUV, version of him that doesn't come across as the shaman-warchief badass he was. Thrall's portrayal this expansion has been awful. Tirion's in Wrath wasn't that bad.

Comment by Rankkor

on Thu, 22 Sep 2011 13:45:43 -0500

Oh great.More Chris Metzen worship.Could we honor or at least acknowledge any other heroes this expac?

-.- why is everyone whining so much about the focus Thrall has received in this expansion?

I dont remember any QQ when Tirion was the focus of the expansion a while ago. And he was present in no less than 3 different zones. Despite the fact that so many heroes died fighting the scourge, HE was the one who humped the spotlight to no end. To the point that its him on the trailer for 3.3, and its him on the FRIKKING ENDING CINEMATIC of WOTLK.

Not to mention that shiny statue of gold in the center of the main city in that expansion. There for all to remember that he is more important that everyone else.

yet I saw nobody crying about it.

now its thrall's turn and everyone is b1tching to no end.Obviously Tirion bugged you, but nowhere in Tirion's various appearances did he reach the level of Gerrard Syndrome Thrall has been hitting lately. I think people want the old Thrall, not this touchy-feely, ORC WUV, version of him that doesn't come across as the shaman-warchief badass he was. Thrall's portrayal this expansion has been awful. Tirion's in Wrath wasn't that bad.

you sure about that?

lets do a quick recap:

THRALL

Shows up in the goblin starting zone, first when you rescue him from the alliance ship, then as a simple quest-giver near the beach, and on the final fight against gallywix.

Shows up again at the maelstrom just once to turn and give a quest and its not seen again.

Shows up again at a dream you have in the twilight highlands, again nothing fancy, just him there as deathwing kills everyone.

Shows up in the trailer for the 4.2 patch.

shows up in hyjal, but even then, he doesn't really do much other than be disintegrated into diferent planes.

and that's about it for now.

Now lets see tirion savvy?

TIRION

Shows up in the DK starting zone, as a messiah that obliterated 10k scourge just by showing up, claims the ashbringer (even though darion to me is the rightful owner) cleanses it just cuz he's a saint, and proceeds to kick the ass of the end boss.

Shows up again in howling fjord.

Just about 3/5ths of Icecrown are with him, on the argent stand where he is 1shoting skeletal wyrms and nerubars by the hundreds.

Shows up again at crusader's pinnacle, where he pratically cashes in favors from most major lore figures in the game (Romulos, Alextrazsa, and Ad'al) during a lenghty quest to help another paladin reach heaven.

Shows up again in the argent tournament, where he greets all the leaders of the alliance and horde, as well as being the host of the trials of champion and crusader.

shows up in the trailer for 3.3 as well as the trailer of 3.2 AND the wallpaper of 3.2

shows up in icecrown again at the cathedral of darkness where he destroys the hearth of the lich king.

Shows up again in Icecrown Citadel where he gives the initial speech and initial charge.

and shows up in the final fight against the lich king where he personally 1shots frostmourne.

Then he shows up in the final cutscene of the expansion.

and then shows up again as a statue made of gold in the center of dalaran.

And yet, during this, despite the fact that he was rubbed in our face 9 out of 10 times, nobody was complaining as loud as they are complaining about Thrall.

What's the matter? an orc getting the spotlight is so outrageous?

I do agree that I miss the WARCHIEF Plate-clad doomhammer-wielding badass Thrall a lot more than the humble hermit-looking newly-wed friend-of-all-living-beings Thrall, but him being the center of the expansion is no more annoying than Tirion being the absolute center of the previous expansion.

what DOES bother me, is that complaints of Tirion humping the spotlight on WOTLK were either minimal, or non-existent, but Complaints of thrall doing the same here, have reached absurdly high numbers.

So, what I'm beggining to see here, is that people aren't as mad at Thrall being the main focus of the expansion, but that he's not a fancy human like Varian or Tirion.

as When those were hugging the spotlight, NOBODY complained. But lo-and-behold, an orc does it now, and its aparently the end of the world.

Comment by OverZealous

on Thu, 22 Sep 2011 14:28:48 -0500

a metric ton of stuff

I agree with you, but I think it's rather that people want the main character(s) to kick ass, just like Tirion did in WotLK. They care less about the holes that may or may not appear in the plot/lore when the character does so, and more about that "OMG BUT HE KILLS FROSTWYRMZ". Personally, I think Thrall is more personal, three-dimensional if you will, than he was earlier. But to be fair, he isn't quite the same person anymore, and that's pretty obvious.

Comment by TagraNar

on Thu, 22 Sep 2011 14:36:28 -0500

That smacks of racism, oddly enough. I like orcs. I rolled Horde originally because I liked the orcs so much. I $%^&ing hate how Thrall is portrayed and shoved down our throats this expansion.

Look, every time I dealt with Tirion, I got the vibe that he was a man leading a crusade against an evil so great that the Alliance and Horde should have been banding together. I get the vibe that he's earned that place of leadership, but also, that he isn't absolutely vital to the Crusade winning. He had a powerful sword, yes. He did not get pimped out as the "Orc-father" or most absolutist wonderfullest shaman ever, who then goes on to complain and complain and doubt himself.

A hero doubting himself is fine, but it was overdone with Thrall. That whole 4.2 questline involving Thrall was dripping with melodrama and wangst. I don't remember Tirion ever acting that way. When he doubted himself in the short story set around him, it was well-crafted and grounded. Thrall's story is not. It really is a case of Gerrard Syndrome.

Comment by Rankkor

on Thu, 22 Sep 2011 14:36:36 -0500

Important stuff

I agree with you, but I think it's rather that people want the main character(s) to kick ass, just like Tirion did in WotLK. They care less about the holes that may or may not appear in the plot/lore when the character does so, and more about that "OMG BUT HE KILLS FROSTWYRMZ". Personally, I think Thrall is more personal, three-dimensional if you will, than he was earlier. But to be fair, he isn't quite the same person anymore, and that's pretty obvious.

that's not what I'm seeing. I'm not seeing people complaining that Thrall has undergone a "badass-decay" moment. their complaints are more like why HIM as the focus of the expansion.

Thrall could be a badass killing machine, and people would still whine that its HIM the hero and not some human, or elf or whatever.

Comment by Azazel

on Thu, 22 Sep 2011 15:00:30 -0500

Tirion is way cooler.

Comment by LordBalrog

on Thu, 22 Sep 2011 16:06:17 -0500

From what I am reading/seeing of the Endtime instance I can't help but say how much it reminds me of the future seen in the Dragonlance: time of the twins books. I get the sense that someone who had a big hand in shaping that instance or all three had read those books and gotten some inspiration from them. Anyone else know what I am referring to?

Where it's just Raistilin vs the Dark Goddess for control of the final breath of the world and the real world was pulled into the Abyss? Dude, that's in hundreds of fantasy themed series, it's not like Dragonlance was the only one.

Perhaps, but for some of us the Dragonlance iteration was particularly memorable, due to the characters being more personally relate-able.

I agree Berndorf, it made me think of that too.

Comment by Monday

on Thu, 22 Sep 2011 16:12:53 -0500

"Reward us" with a picture of Thrall and Aggra? Eurgh, I hate Aggra. Should have just given us one with Thrall. /complain

Comment by Rankkor

on Thu, 22 Sep 2011 17:17:54 -0500

"Reward us" with a picture of Thrall and Aggra? Eurgh, I hate Aggra.

you and me both bro' =(

Tirion is way cooler.

meh, for me, he fell out of grace when he kept the ashbringer (I was seriously hoping Darion would inherit it after the defeat of the lich king, or SOMETHING, his father did said that one day he'd wield it and impart justice across the land, and I became a HUGE fan of Darion after reading the Ashbringer manga)

Besides, when it comes to paladin badassery, NOBODY can compete with Turalyon.

NO.BO.DY

Comment by Monday

on Thu, 22 Sep 2011 17:21:12 -0500

Besides, when it comes to paladin badassery, NOBODY can compete with Turalyon.

NO.BO.DY

Eh, I actually like Tirion more thatn Turalyon. I just hope Turalyon comes back, though. He was one of my favorites )=

Comment by Interest

on Thu, 22 Sep 2011 21:06:31 -0500

Besides, when it comes to paladin badassery, NOBODY can compete with Turalyon.

NO.BO.DY

Eh, I actually like Tirion more thatn Turalyon. I just hope Turalyon comes back, though. He was one of my favorites )=I want all those old guys to come back.

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