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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 6:24 pm

Well, the band was submitted by a moderator, and the EP was the only album the band had released at the time of submission, so it'd probably be wise to try to find samples for that album before a mod deletes it.

Oh poor ,poor man you are.This band were accepted just with single release (With no samples as it's happened in a lot of cases back in time).Also if someone "ripped" these latter recordings from youtube and named them as "Demo" it doesn't mean its from REAL CASSETTE.I've seen so many similar tricks.man who just want to show off, rips some tracks of unknown band from MySpace , Youtube or Reverbnation and post these on some blog as "UBER OBSCURE / RARE DEMO".

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Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 6:07 am

MadMetalMachine wrote:

Also if someone "ripped" these latter recordings from youtube and named them as "Demo" it doesn't mean its from REAL CASSETTE.I've seen so many similar tricks.man who just want to show off, rips some tracks of unknown band from MySpace , Youtube or Reverbnation and post these on some blog as "UBER OBSCURE / RARE DEMO".

You know, that would almost make sense if the person uploading the videos wasn't a member of the band.

Deus.exe - I think they're metal enough.Evil Side of Math - Not entirely sure based on http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/evilside2, but the guitars are pretty thrash/metal. I'd say they're okay, based on http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/evilsideFather of Sin - Not sure, this is some pretty stupid midtempo/slow chugging, "death" should definitely be removed, though...Fear of Hatred - That Youtube video sounded rather metal to me, to be honest. We'd need some more samples in any case... The genre might need to be changed, yeah.

PS: Haven't checked out your post before the last one, there's just so much crap I can take in one go.

Also if someone "ripped" these latter recordings from youtube and named them as "Demo" it doesn't mean its from REAL CASSETTE.I've seen so many similar tricks.man who just want to show off, rips some tracks of unknown band from MySpace , Youtube or Reverbnation and post these on some blog as "UBER OBSCURE / RARE DEMO".

You know, that would almost make sense if the person uploading the videos wasn't a member of the band.

And IT MAKES SENSE since There's NO MENTION OF ANY DEMO TAPE on these videos !!! Well another person called Locutusme uploaded song from the band (I think he just asked this former member for MP3 and named this as "DEMO") .He even used image from this auction (But who can confirm that this is the same band???) :

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Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 8:14 am

Well, shit, man, those songs had to come from somewhere, right? And I don't see any ulterior motive that would drive someone to *pretend* to be one of the members of an old forgotten metal band.

Point is, the band appears to have more releases than the lone single listed on MA, and the material on those releases is definitely metal. In fact, that split you just linked might be the reason that no "demo" has been explicitly mentioned by the band - 'cause, you know, splits aren't demos.

Well, shit, man, those songs had to come from somewhere, right? And I don't see any ulterior motive that would drive someone to *pretend* to be one of the members of an old forgotten metal band.

Point is, the band appears to have more releases than the lone single listed on MA, and the material on those releases is definitely metal. In fact, that split you just linked might be the reason that no "demo" has been explicitly mentioned by the band - 'cause, you know, splits aren't demos.

Well This band WERE ACCEPTED back in 2004 just by 45 Record from 1987 and it's NOT METAL.

Today I even asked band a question on YouTube and got an answer :

Question :I have 45 Record of AMETHYST - "Take me to the limit" but it sounds like totally different band.There's even keyboards﻿ used on 7" and songs are much more radio friendly.

Answer : Ha ha, yes indeed! I can tell you, it IS the same band, that was done in the mid 80s in an attempt to be a bit more 'commercial' but, unfortunately, it was a﻿ bad mistake! I believe our review in KERRANG went some thing like... "Take me to the limit, take me to the sky", why don't you just fuck off and die!! Hence our return to a more METAL sound!

SO It just shows that I'M RIGHT.Everything happened BEFORE someone unearthed Recent Youtube Videos.And there's no evidence of any demos.You can ask the band if they had any demos out and IF DEMOS WERE AVAILABLE AT SHOWS.

When I first submitted it, I thought it was a traditional split (one band after another style). The tracklist is now up and in this video, which is the full release, TheM's part lines up with the non-metal parts. I could be wrong, but I think this should probably be removed. I am sorry for this. The sample on the label's website also made me think otherwise.

...About what? It's quite clear now that the band is metal, so I don't even know what you're griping about at this point.

IT'S CLEAR that 7" RECORD this band were submited to metal-archives IS'T METAL.It's CLEAR.It was back in 2004.But none wanted to believe.band were submited without samples.I know that because a lot of people back in a day submited bands from various resources,

[*]Amethyst released one vinyl single, which -according to M3's word- isn't metal. Let's keep in mind that we have so far seen no real evidence for this.

[*]There is also at least one split-tape with a band called Cyan, containing material that is metal, going by the two songs found on Youtube.

So the two problems now are:[*]Is the tape legitimate and was it publically distributed in some way?[*]Is the 7'' metal or not?

MadMetalMachine, it seems to me that the thing you are going on about is, that Amethyst were approved when they shouldn't have been with the evidence/samples available at that time (i.e. the 7'' alone), not necessarily that they shouldn't have been approved at all. Which is basically gloating that doesn't get anyone anywhere. "Haha, you guys fucked up even though the band may deserve to be here anyway, stoopid!". So yeah, if the single is some commercial sounding hard rock -which isn't certain at this point- we get it, mistakes happen. Non-metal bands or bands otherwise not meeting our standards get wrongly accepted once in a while? Shocker. That's not exactly news, especially for a band added back in 2004. These skeletons in the closet get unearthed all the time, as this very thread amply demonstrates.

Nevertheless, you have to understand that we can't just delete bands because someone says we should. This should be obvious. I don't know under what circumstances Amethyst were accepted, but that's really beside the point. Generally speaking, getting a band approved requires a minimum of scrutiny that justifies burden of proof once the band is in. Bands in the database are innocent until proven guilty, more or less. This is the assumption we have to work under or else the whole system becomes a joke. I'm not saying you're lying or wrong, I wouldn't be surprised if that single is whimpy radio rock, but you still need to provide more than just your word in this case.

Anyway, the goal should now be to come up with samples from the 7'' and/or confirm the split-tape release. I assume this is the guy you contacted, MadMetalMachine? I'm going to ask him later on to clear this up.

When I first submitted it, I thought it was a traditional split (one band after another style). The tracklist is now up and in this video, which is the full release, TheM's part lines up with the non-metal parts. I could be wrong, but I think this should probably be removed. I am sorry for this. The sample on the label's website also made me think otherwise.

Just reposting because I think it may have been overlooked due to the heated discussion. Sorry if I am wrong.

Same here, this is nothing but a bad joke. What's funny is that a single mail asking the Katharsis/Sepulchral Voice Rex guys would show that it indeed an official release Misanthrophia Discos being Azaxul's own label. But instead of asking the people involved every idiot who said something that he's heard around 3 corners is more trustful than the artists info. Hail to the internet ... ;p

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The demos of Amethyst really exist.I'm friend of the singer and they started as a band in 1983 and splitted up in 1989.They had 5 different line-ups.

If you only accept Demos distributed in live shows you better start deleting Tarantula (Port) demos, Valium (Port) demos, Wild Shadow (Port) Demos and half of brasilian demos pre-1991 and i'm not going to keep listing the eastern europe bands neither south/latin america bands that have demos here submitted and that were never distributed in live shows and only exist now some knowldegde about it because it were recorded dubbed copies and tape traded back in the days and because of this new interest in digging out obscure bands, contacting some of the band's old members, one can still find valuable information, photos and if you're lucky they even can provide some of their music not available anywhere else.

Seems so. I'm in contact with a band member and he confirmed the existence of other demos and will also be sending me a compilation CD he recently put out, containing all the material they ever recorded.

Yeah, but last week, I had submitted this band, and it was rejected because Azmodes said that the demo was to be "released next week", which is this week. Their Facebook had nothing to be said about it, so I was wondering what GraveWish had done.