Hi,
Whats your opinion on the Conspiracy about 9/11? Some people think it was planned by the government, and wasn't all the work of The terrorists. For example:
(taken from BBC, link below)
The question: Why did the world's most powerful air force fail to intercept any of the four hijacked planes?
Conspiracy theorists say: The then US Vice President Dick Cheney ordered the military to stand down and not to intercept the planes.
[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-14665953[/url]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories[/url]
Whats yr opinion? I personally think 9/11 wasn't the US government, but what do you think?
-Frodo

Well, personally I do not think it was the government. I am pretty sure a government like ours isn't that idiotic to crash a plane into a their own building. With thousands of civilians inside, on the plane, and on the ground. The government had nothing to gain if they did cause 9/11.

Despite all the 'evidence' I couldn't fathom even George Bush devising the 911 attacks.
It seems far more likely to just be a terrorist attack.

[QUOTE=darcy010;35670493]Despite all the 'evidence' I couldn't fathom even George Bush devising the 911 attacks.
It seems far more likely to just be a terrorist attack.[/QUOTE]
Are you implying that George W. Bush isn't intelligent enough to plan such a clever ruse? Not quite sure if I'm just looking too far into what you said or not.

The only thing that really makes me wonder if something funny could have been going on is AE911truth;
[MEDIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7eJORgF3a4&feature=player_embedded[/MEDIA]
It is still unlikely though.

[QUOTE=PolarEventide;35670518]Are you implying that George W. Bush isn't intelligent enough to plan such a clever ruse? Not quite sure if I'm just looking too far into what you said or not.[/QUOTE]
Like I said, if the government did really do it. Would would they possibly have to gain?

[QUOTE=Derpmonster;35670550]Like I said, if the government did really do it. Would would they possibly have to gain?[/QUOTE]
While I don't believe that the government really did it, the gain is rather obvious. By planning an attack against yourself than a foreign combatant would willingly accept claim for, you justify war. Al Qaeda would gladly take responsibility for an attack against the United States. Why would the government want to justify war? Most likely, oil. People talk about the war on oil a lot, but it's rarely understood. In all likelihood, you don't have American companies like Exxon Mobil going into heated combat zones drilling oil. What you do have is the possibility of a new democratic, American-loving, Western-esque regime. Such a regime would probably be more willing to allow American oil companies to come drill.

[QUOTE=Derpmonster;35670550]Like I said, if the government did really do it. Would would they possibly have to gain?[/QUOTE]
a easily malleable irrationally fearful public who will do any to protect their safety.

[QUOTE=lotusking;35670583]a easily malleable irrationally fearful public who will do any to protect their safety.[/QUOTE]
Good point, but that may risk the possibility of widespread panic. Which may in-turn cause rioting and other messes for them to deal with.

I personally find the 9/11 conspiracy theories to be just downright offensive to me sometimes, but I understand they have the right to say it.
Most of the theories point out how impossible an entire building complex and part of the Pentagon collapsing is, but they underestimate gravity, engineering, and fire's effect on the day of September 11th. Not to mention all of the mis-quotes and mis-information that is used amongst conspiracy theorists.
[editline]22nd April 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=lotusking;35670583]a easily malleable irrationally fearful public who will do any to protect their safety.[/QUOTE]
By bombing and killing several of their own employees?

[QUOTE=Derpmonster;35670550]Like I said, if the government did really do it. Would would they possibly have to gain?[/QUOTE]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag[/url]

[QUOTE=Marbalo;35670692][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag[/url][/QUOTE]
Yea, I forgot all about this. It goes to show that again, I am a total idiot.

[QUOTE=Marbalo;35670692][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag[/url][/QUOTE]
The US has used (Or what seems like) false flags before, but most if not all of them got discovered eventually.
Imagine being the biggest country in the world, and not a single person that was in on the operation even [I]considered[/I] spilling the beans, and go down in history as, "The man who showed America's true colours."
[editline]22nd April 2012[/editline]
This article kinda summarizes what I am trying to say:
[url]http://www.cracked.com/article_15740_was-911-inside-job.html[/url]

Personally I think the government is not that competent to where they could have pulled off the biggest conspiracy in history without leaving sufficient evidence to prove it.

There is no conspiracy.
Failure to act sooner comes from a lack of understanding of "terrorism" and taking it seriously. Terrorism against America was a new deal. Our intelligence agencies were not prepared to deal with it like we do now (hence 9/11 being a pivotal point in history for changing quite literally the world and especially how things work in America). It was something we could have taken far more seriously years prior but that's retrospect. We learn from our mistakes.
9/11 was not done by the government and it's not an inside job. People need to accept how it has happened already and get on with their lives because there is NO evidence to support an inside job and all "reputable" sources regarding that are whack job conspiracy sites that actually purposely construe information to fit their own belief.

Those sources actually do put forward some good reasons why the government would want to do it, I just fail to see how the US government is or ever was competent enough to pull off such a massive conspiracy in front of everyone's faces.

I believe this comic sums up what noble is saying
[img]http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/images/conspiracy_tot2.gif[/img]
There is no way in HELL that the government could keep a conspiracy of epic proportions intact. It's incomprehensible.

It was just a reason to attack Middle-East.

[QUOTE=MaikkiBoi;35672795]It was just a reason to attack Middle-East.[/QUOTE]
... Which the US benefited from, how? Oil imports to the US from Iraq have remained unchanged since before or after the invasion (in fact all it did was further destabilize the region,) and if we somehow knew about the massive mineral deposits in Afghanistan it's moot, since the Japanese own the rights.

[QUOTE=MaikkiBoi;35672795]It was just a reason to attack Middle-East.[/QUOTE]
Yeah that went real well now didn't it.

The Government would have nothing to gain from 9/11. An excuse/false flag to invade Afghanistan? Well, sure, except for the fact that [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_World_Trade_Center_bombing]we already had[/url] [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_U.S._embassy_bombings]reason to engage[/url] [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Cole_bombing]Al Qaeda and its allies.[/url]

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=es9u5rUHMdw[/media]

[QUOTE=Zambies!;35672771]I believe this comic sums up what noble is saying
[img]http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/images/conspiracy_tot2.gif[/img]
There is no way in HELL that the government could keep a conspiracy of epic proportions intact. It's incomprehensible.[/QUOTE]
Remember Watergate? Nixon was undone by one disgruntled FBI agent who got pissed about not being promoted and went to the press with the corruption he knew of.

Because the ONLY thing our government could come up with to get us into a war was killing 3,000 civilians. For fuck's sake.

[QUOTE=Madman_Andre;35673121]Remember Watergate? Nixon was undone by one disgruntled FBI agent who got pissed about not being promoted and went to the press with the corruption he knew of.[/QUOTE]
They just gave everyone a promotion that day, obviously.

[QUOTE=Frodo Baggins;35670415]Hi,
Whats your opinion on the Conspiracy about 9/11? Some people think it was planned by the government, and wasn't all the work of The terrorists. For example:
(taken from BBC, link below)
The question: Why did the world's most powerful air force fail to intercept any of the four hijacked planes?
Conspiracy theorists say: The then US Vice President Dick Cheney ordered the military to stand down and not to intercept the planes.
[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-14665953[/url]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories[/url]
Whats yr opinion? I personally think 9/11 wasn't the US government, but what do you think?
-Frodo[/QUOTE]
Why would the air force blow up the hijacked planes with people inside?

[QUOTE=PolarEventide;35670579]While I don't believe that the government really did it, the gain is rather obvious. By planning an attack against yourself than a foreign combatant would willingly accept claim for, you justify war. Al Qaeda would gladly take responsibility for an attack against the United States. Why would the government want to justify war? Most likely, oil. People talk about the war on oil a lot, but it's rarely understood. In all likelihood, you don't have American companies like Exxon Mobil going into heated combat zones drilling oil. What you do have is the possibility of a new democratic, American-loving, Western-esque regime. Such a regime would probably be more willing to allow American oil companies to come drill.[/QUOTE]
If that is true, then why have oil imports from Iraq only decreased since the invasion, and why were the hijackers depicted as Saudis and not Iraqi, and why did we invade Afghanistan first? Please answer these questions, because your story isn't making any sense. Why did a whole new conspiracy with WMDs have to be constructed when the hijackers could have simply been depicted as Iraqi agents?

[QUOTE=King Tiger;35673452]If that is true, then why have oil imports from Iraq only decreased since the invasion, and why were the hijackers depicted as Saudis and not Iraqi, and why did we invade Afghanistan first? Please answer these questions, because your story isn't making any sense. Why did a whole new conspiracy with WMDs have to be constructed when the hijackers could have simply been depicted as Iraqi agents?[/QUOTE]
Because they were stupid and didn't think it through, i'd say if i thought it was true.

[QUOTE=elowin;35673590]Because they were stupid and didn't think it through, i'd say if i thought it was true.[/QUOTE]
They were smart enough to plan such an intricate and thorough conspiracy and keep it a secret from everyone for a decade, yet they did it all for no reason whatsoever because they [I]didn't think it through?[/I]
Yeahno

[QUOTE=Derpmonster;35670550]Like I said, if the government did really do it. Would would they possibly have to gain?[/QUOTE]
A green light to invade a country that has oil n shit
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;35673236]Why would the air force blow up the hijacked planes with people inside?[/QUOTE]
its a "kill 50 innocent people to save a 100 lifes" type of thing