>>117002143She is well liked here, but she's also hated by some. We can admit that out of Type Moon heroines she is one of the most talked about by far here. She does have her fans, but also nets some hate.

So any discussion about her tends to fly off after awhile when those two factions ever meet. It's a mixed bag that eats into other discussions and generally can't just cool off. In an ideal world, she'd be treated like the other heroines, not some big fuss every time but someone mentions her, and when we're not talking about her for awhile that's also fine.

>>117003538>>117003578>being this retardedThey were talking about Dark Sakura there, who only killed Shinji, Zouken, True Assassin and Kotomine (who happen to be the villains, making her the most useful of the three heroines).

The shadow is Angra Mainyu taking over her body and killing people against her will while she's unconscious. Even when she thought it was a nightmare, she tried to stop it, and was unable to.

However, she was able to stop it later by refusing to sleep, and when she accepted its powers and became Dark Sakura, it disappeared completely in exchange for corrupting her mind.

>>117002711>She is well liked here, but she's also hated by some. We can admit that out of Type Moon heroines she is one of the most talked about by far here. She does have her fans, but also nets some hate.This is only recently.

>>117004606I've been here since before the game was fully translated. She's always had something of a fanbase. It's not some recent thing out of nowhere where people latched on, ever since HF was translated especially she's had a decent base. Girl has been a source of conversation in Fate threads for more than a few years now so that's a pretty hard statement to make. Although early on she was known a lot more for Sakurafish than anything worm related, until that nickname caught on a few years back.

Either way shit's certainly gotten more extreme with time, as it's entirely "Pick your side" as any normal discussion is about impossible.

There are been periods before when things were a bit more mild, and there are times when it's a bit more extreme. Best we can aim for is for shit to get more mild again. Though I know there are some people in the middle always trying to push things into conflict. Like that other Sakura thread that's some pretty obvious bait. >>116995197

>>116994097There's nothing wrong with liking Sakura.The reason /a/ doesn't like sluts is because of their lack of purity not in the vagina, but in the mind. Sakura did not choose to, nor does she enjoy the worms. People who go about spouting wormslut are idiots. There are better reasons not to like Sakura. She's little more than a damsel in distress with no relevancy outside of HF and has a bland personality. Not to mention SENPAI SENPAI SENPAI.I'm a Rinfag

>>117006625Wait when did this scene happen? I remember Rin dying in Sakura's arms her screaming along with a monologue on how she destroyed people she cared about and how she was about to bite her tongue to commit suicide when angry manjew takes her body over completely.

>what every character saysSakura is a murderer, the shadow is just an excuse for her actions>what Shirou realizes at the endSakura is a murderer, the shadow is just an excuse for her actions, but she should live anyways, to atone for her sins>what sakurafags understandSAKURA DID NOTHING WRONG HURR

There's a scene in HA where Shirou and Sakura dress up and pretend like they are in Cinderella or some shit. Sakura goes on a monologue about how after tonight she'll go back to Matou Sakura rather then Princess Sakura and asks shirou if he's okay with the Sakura whose jealous of Rin's abilities as a mage and Saber's beauty and if he's okay with the sakura whose always clumsy wanting to be around him all the time. This proves she's awful and knows it. Checkmate Sakurafags

>what actually happensSakura throughout HF slowly breaks, accepting her repressed personality and destructive impulses, and these allow Angra Mainyu to manifest as the shadow, killing people in Fuyuki, under Sakuras control. She tries to dismiss her nightmares as just that, but deep down she knows these things are real, and her doing.

Proof: all the screenshots above, and many more.

>what sakurafags actually believeIT WAS JUST A DREAM! IT WAS JUST THE SHADOW ALL ALONG! SAKURA IS PURE!

If you can`t accept everything your so-called waifu does and who she really is, you`re devaluing her character, plain and simple.

>>117006079As mentioned before, he's talking about Dark Sakura here, an issue entirely different from that of the shadow killing people at night.

>>117006189Are you "sane" when you're unconscious? The point he was making was that it would either take control when she was unconscious, or corrupt her directly if she accepted it (Dark Sakura, in other words).

>>117006361Here, they're talking about Sakura's body assimilating with the shadow over time. In case you didn't notice, it was acting even while she was confirmed to still be sleeping at home at first. It wasn't until around day 12 that her entire body got brought along with it. Shirou's not afraid that Sakura is controlling the shadow, he's afraid that he'll end up killing her if he tries to fight it head on.>>117006412Yup, here's the part where he explains Dark Sakura and the shadow respectively. By the way, about him never lying, remember what he said about having the grail in his basement? Confirmed to be "a priest's little lie" by Nasu.

>>117007511Yeah like the Esdeath fags who accept her for being the cold blooded torture machine she is and Caster faqs accept the evil shit Medea did. Sakurafaqs need to accept Sakura's selfishness, her resentment and clingy-ness if they wanna call themselves her fans, otherwise they're just fucking posers running off at the mouth.

Delusional rationalizations of a waifufag. Sakua was killing people since day 6 or 7, not only after she became Dark Sakura. And becoming Dark Sakura, as you imply, isnt a 180 degree inversion of personality as you imply. It was a gradual process, and triggered by when she killed Shinji and could no longer deny to herself the was the one killing people.

>The point he was making was that it would either take control when she was unconscious, Sakura is always in control. Without her permit, the shadow is just a shadow. See >>117006189

You implying the shadow ever takes direct control is just a delusional denial of reality.

MOTHERFUCKING Lancer. That badass came in to rescue Rin, fucking bitchslapped Matou Shinji across the room (and admit it, you were fucking waiting for that shit to happen the entire route), and then mouthed off against the King of Heroes.

And as if that wasn't fucking enough, Kotomine used a command spell to make him Gae Bolg HIMSELF, piercing himself straight through the fucking heart, and what does Lancer do? Die like a little bitch?

FUCK NO

He fucking kills Kotomine Kirei; THE Kotomine Kirei. Now then, he's earned his rest, right? I mean, he fucked over a major villain despite having his heart stabbed by a fucking Noble Phantasm. It's enough, right?

Fucking WRONG!

Matou Shinji starts fucking with Rin again, and Lancer's like, "bitch, step the fuck away from my woman!" And this fucking half-dead servant scares that little fucker so much that he has no choice but to run away.

Finally, he makes his own funeral pyre to burn in, all while wondering what it would've been like to bang Rin just like she deserved.

As if everything else weren't already enough, the ashes of his pyre also dirty Gilgamesh, striking one last blow. His motherfucking funeral ashes cause the King of Heroes to suffer indignity. Even from beyond the grave, he pisses off that golden-haired faggot.

>>117007916I don't prefer any girl but the delusions of Sakurafags are out of hand. They don't even like the original character like it is presented in the VN and instead make up excuses and a headcanon to ease their mind.

>>117008044Sakurafags hate Rin for not being mushy and giving Sakura the attention she throws a tantrum for.

They take it out on Rinfags, and generally hate most other characters and girls in Fate. It`s often sakurafags invading another girl`s threads, or derailing a random thread into a Sakura dump. Then they wonder why everyone else hates them.

One of the biggest persecution and victimization complexes on /a/. Funny how wormslutfags are so similar to the wormslut.

>>117006625She did take lives. Only Shinji, Zouken, Hassan and Kotomine's lives, though.

>>117006682Reminder that Rin was jumping at the opportunity to kill her for being a heretic before anyone had even died. Not exactly the most unbiased person.

>>117006743Yup, we're talking about Dark Sakura here. She also happens to have gone insane due to believing she's beyond redemption, as Zouken told her she was right about believing she was responsible for the shadow in order to push her over the edge.

>>117006845>what every character not looking to kill Sakura or unleash AM says>what Shirou realizes at the endShe did end up killing Shinji, Zouken and Kotomine, but those fucks deserved it, so it's all good.The shadow is possessing Sakura>what Sakura haters understandSAKURA IS A MASS MURDERER HURR

>>117006893>what is a fleeting cruel thoughtIf you've read Kariya's final scene in Zero, you'd realize why she doesn't want Shirou to be going against Zouken for her sake.

>>117006990Rin was trying to NTR her and goad Shirou into killing her, it's no wonder she's pissed as fuck.

>>117007256>repressed subconsciousIn other words, the grail is taking her fleeting cruel thoughts and fulfilling them for its own purposes against her will. Sakurafags can accept that she's a very flawed person and does kill Zouken and others, but what you're spouting is just bullshit that shows you weren't able to read between the lines and think about the circumstances at all.

>>117007440That's not true, I like her better than the other two precisely because of that repressed side of her personality. I doubt others are delusional, it's just there are so many people adamant about making her out to be worse than she actually is that Sakurafags try to put her in a better light.Fujino is great too precisely because of that.

>>117007729Actually she wasn't. But like Saber said before, she puts herself in dishonor, and castigated herself regardless of the situation.

Besides, logically, the Shadow was attacked by people and was submerged in lakes, so she would have awoken wet or with torn clothes if it was actually her in the early parts of HF, what with us seeing her almost constantly.

What the nightmares showed was that the closer she was to becoming the full grail, the further and further she lost her humanity, and became one with AM.

Further, yes, when she accepted the Shadow, she was herself, but with caveats, like her mind breaking down from becoming the grail, and the real damage AM was doing to her, thus why her actions were so contradictory, like sparing Rin, or coming to visit and tell Rin and Shirou to run.

You're right that if we like a character, we should accept the good and bad, but most of us who aren't reverse trolls or just idiots going in for shit slinging recognize those faults but think a lot of what people say about her is mired in negative bias. She has resentment, but we see her talking to Shirou about things like how she feels about Rin and the Matou family, showing how she dealt with things. Impressive for someone without therapy. But those feelings are there and caused misunderstandings and caused her to make grave errors.

That is some of the things you don't really see from the con side, and ironically even less from the so called pro side. She isn't someone to just be pitied, but is pretty awesome, but has large flaws that can't be denied.

I like her as a character, but waifuing or whatever isn't necessary. I can balance positive and negative.

>>117007729>Sakua was killing people since day 6 or 7Yup, it's clear you didn't pay attention. At that point, it had only been attacking servants. It doesn't kill people until around day 9 or 10.

>Dark Sakura, as you imply, isnt a 180 degree inversion of personality as you implyThe exact same kind of thing happens to characters in Tsukihime, except with Roa instead of Angra Mainyu. You know what they call it? Inversion Impulse.>could no longer deny to herself the was the one killing people.You mean when Zouken brainwashed her into believing it at her most vulnerable moment.>Sakura is always in control. Without her permit, the shadow is just a shadowSee >>117007474 and >>117006412>>117007904>REPRESSED, SUBCONSCIOUS personality, what she wanted to do all along but hid it for as long as she could. Because she hated everything and everyone, thanks to lolworms.Literally everyone has fleeting cruel thoughts. That doesn't mean you're responsible if what's literally all evils of the world goes and does it for you despite you never wanting to actually do it for real. She's literally sleeping and thinking she's having nightmares when it's going around killing people, and the deaths stop after she refuses to sleep again. In other words, it acts while she's unconscious.

>>117008224>Sakurafags hate Rin for not being mushy and giving Sakura the attention she throws a tantrum for.Citation need. From the beginning of this show, Rinfags are forcing the "wormslut" meme and keep bitching about Ufotable rin design.

>>117008966>Rinfags are forcing the "wormslut" meme and keep bitching about Ufotable rin design.[Citation Needed]Actually you can se in the archives that the ones pushing the Rhino trash are the Sakurafags. The wormslut shit is universal doesn't matter what fag you are. You are the only one who thinks is only Rinfags.

No, not quite. See Nasu's dictionary entry on her, she tries to not hate anyone with her star trait being empathy (why she felt for Shinji in the first place), and Rin is the about the only exception, and that was because Rin reminds her of all she lost. But she still respects and admires Rin.

Sakura and Shirou have this long talk about how you can feel inferior in the light of your idol, which Shirou agreed with. It's one of the interesting talks the two have where you can tell how in sync they are.

>>117009212>why she felt for Shinji in the first placeHow can someone be such a doormat? He doesn't deserve any empathy from her. I love how her personality is so backwards that she cares for the retard but hates her sister who hasn't done anything wrong.

>>117008121>instead make up excuses and a headcanon to ease their mind.Sounds more like what Sakura haters do, considering how much of their reasons for hating her they outright make up.>>117008224It's funny because Sakurafags are actually one of the most civil fanbases as long as they're not attacked by retards from /b/ like you. Come back when we have even one thread about Sakura without somebody saying "slut", "worms", "wormslut", "mass murderer" or "worst girl", and somebody might take you more seriously. It's not a persecution complex if you're actually being persecuted.>>117008322Hmm, I wonder why a contentless post like this happened to be posted after the post timer...>>117009094>The wormslut shit is universal doesn't matter what fag you are. You are the only one who thinks is only Rinfags.Pic related.

>>117009212>>117009426>See Nasu's dictionary entry on her, she tries to not hate anyone with her star trait being empathy (why she felt for Shinji in the first place), and Rin is the about the only exception, and that was because Rin reminds her of all she lost. But she still respects and admires Rin.

You're wrong on two points, she doesn't hate anyone except for Rin, and the reason she will show her real emotions around Rin while repressing around everyone else is because as noted "They're almost exactly the same".

Just like with Luvia and Rin, two similar people will always draw out each others true nature. It's not "She hates Rin because she hates the sister who has what she does not", but Sakura is only capable of being honest with someone who's the same as herself.

>Afterward, she gradually grew accustomed to the Emiya residence, and due to Fuji-nee's influence became a more cheerful, energetic Matou Sakura.She has a quiet personality, and all things considered is exceptionally patient and persevering.>Basically, she is a worrisome girl that never resents others (not even Shinji or Zouken), and always blames herself for everything.>The solitary exception to this rule is Rin, because the two of them are so similar. I guess she's only capable of being honest with herself, or someone almost exactly like herself, yeah.

Data-book entry, Nasu directly notes that she doesn't hate anyone, and Rin is the exception only because Sakura can actually be honest with the person who's the same as herself.

Not that she's jealous of her sister's life, or that she resents the one who has what she doesn't. But for the same reason as Luvia, because they're similar in nature and can only show their real selves around each other.

>>117009870>She didn't know.Of course she does. Even Kotomine knows exactly what's up. I mean that's the sole reason they took Sakura in the first place. It's not exactly hard to figure out if you know how the Matou's work.

She doesn't hate Rin, but Rin reminds her of what she lost. She loves Rin. It's a complex feeling she has. But also because from her perspective, Rin should be pretty well off. Just like Rin doesn't understand Sakura either. It's an estrangement the two have, but they love each other, they just have a lot of stuff to talk through. It's the thing with Nasu, siblings having complicated history.

Shinji she pitied because she knew the real state of the Matou being Zouken's slaves, and knew he trained hard and had big dreams to be the heir, so she felt she crushed those dreams. Which is why she takes the abuse, she knows what it means to have your life turned around unfairly just because you were born a certain way, the and parts of being the child of a magus family.

So her feelings aren't without reasoning, any more than Ilya's vengeance on Shirou, for example are.

>>117009878Based on how Rin and Sakura behave around each other in HA I believe you. Double Tohsoka smiles, snarking back in forth. The only difference is that unlike Luvia those two haven't come to blows yet.

Rin is depicted putting on a facade in order to toughen up and try to stop every human being on earth dying, even against unsurmountable odds. She tries, and in the end she failed because she cared too much about Sakura and always looked out for her.

Sakura is depicted crying for attention (she literally visits Shirou`s house for nothing) and express her wishes that Shirou and Rin to run so she doesnt have to kill them, even though she knows they`ll die anyways when Angra is born. She knows the end result will be the same if Shirou and Rin give up and run, along with the extinction of mankind, she just doesn`t want to see it.

>>117010153They are only the same in wearing masks, being stubborn as bulls. and being scary when mad. Oh and for some reason both of them have some ridiculous arm strength. Then again the smile isn't that big a deal Saber smiles like that when she's pissed off at being denied food.

When I said that she reminds her of what she lost, I meant it's like seeing yourself in a mirror and seeing your faults Ina sense. It's why she and Shirou have the conversation about how your idol makes you inferior, but also why she has the rivalry with Rin in HA, where she can express herself more.

I don't disagree with you there, though you seem like you were saying her empathy was fake, but I could be wrong I'm that assertion.

I really want to know what she would think of older Shirou. And what she would think of the fact that Rin managed to summon Shirou as her servant. I wonder if she would get jealous about that relationship.

>>117010102Sakura shows that she's clearly willing to sacrifice her life in order to stop it from being born, and while it binding Sakura when she tries to do that before Shirou rule breaks her free shows that it wouldn't have worked, Shirou affirming that they were going there to save her was all that needed to be said, but then Rin antagonized her for absolutely no reason, making things much harder.

Also, since when was it said that the entire world would be destroyed? You'd think the Counter Guardians would step in if it was that serious.

>>117010634>Do Archer and Sakura interact at all in HA?NoI am a Rinfag and not a expert on everything Sakura but I think Sakura would drop her spaghetti all over the place if she interacted with Archer and knew he was older Shirou.

>>117010754Ain't like Rin really interacted with Archer after knowing who he was so much.

We get the castle scene where she's tied up and says she likes that foolish and upright boy he once was, and that scene at the end where she asks him to contract with him again.

We don't really see much from anyone and Archer interacting once the truth with him is out, aside from Shirou. We could always use a bit more there on some end, but we shouldn't really be spoiled on it either.

For bonus points Archer and Shirou always start hating on each other whenever they get a scene together and freaking everybody gangs up on Sabers laziness. The look of shock Rider and Castor give her as she's just chowing down on bread is priceless I wish I had the screen.

>>117010991>Rin notes that Caster is also the same type as herI forgot about that, I just made the connection out of gut feeling. I guess if you give Rin huge amounts of suffering she might end up similar to Caster.

It's a running theme that the Knights of Camelot are generally terrible at everything aside from fighting, and are just troublesome personality types. Saber herself is no real exception as she's mainly just good at fighting, and has no other real talents aside from sitting home all day enjoying food.

>>117011278Just do the Fate/Extra Specials animated if you want Sakura being funny. It's the funniest she's ever been allowed to be as a character as Matou. This is back when Extra Sakura wasn't really known to be a different character entirely before CCC, so her character is still pretty flat out Matou.

>>117011302It's hard to say she wouldn't care, but Sakura just like Rin also mostly liked that foolish and upright boy who challenged the high-jump bar rather than the cynical older self.

Sakura probably even more so in a sense, that foolish boy gave her hope as he did stupid things without looking back. Rin is the type who could like a foolish Shirou or a mature Shirou as we see a lot of compatibility with her and Archer, she's got a good range, but in the end she also picked his younger self.

Sakura fell in love with Shirou rather than just being wet for high jumps though. She was still her silent self from Zero for awhile before she got used to him. It was cute, but she didn't know she fell for him until after she came over to help him and they got to know one another. Iirc she said she was really uncomfortable going to his house at first.

She gets along with most everyone except Shinji and Zouken, so while not all over him like with Shirou, if he exhibits any of the qualities she likes with Shirou, they ought to get along.

>>117011984Because she actually has some characterization other than being a generic kuudere warrior or tsundere.>>117012236No, Shinji's just being delusional there, just like the Sakura haters.>>117012647Pure virgin in RN, only kills villains, not nearly as much as many others, better than being plain aggressive like Rin, justified, justified, justified, she actually blames herself for things that aren't her fault, etc.>>117012824I like how you think that's a flaw. Also, it isn't in RN.

I'm actually happy for the HF movie so that she will get a happy ending. When you see it all out there in the anime and not from Shirou's perspective, you see that he did just completely lead her on and then kick her to the curb when her hotter sister and blonde from another country show up.

The fact she is a huge slut never bothered me. I can't believe people get upset over a character not being "pure". How fucking pathetic.

>>117014276Everyone knows that only retarded bandwagonners call Sakura a slut. As you'll often see when they're called out on it, they'll whine about how Sakurafags are overly sensitive, and that it's just a classic old maymay. So is "over 9000", though, and they're both just as cancerous nowadays.

>>117014725>Do you know? That piece of prana you swallowed just now came from a Lust Worm. The one that first absorbed Sakura’s innocence. How about that, Kariya? The vitality of a young girl, absorbed continuously over the course of this past year—it is the best magecraft energy of all, yes?" Also, remember that they also feed on blood, so they may very well have absorbed her vitality that way.

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