scotchcrotch:AliceBToklasLives: They are a heavily Republican state. Republicans believe government should get out of our personal lives and leave us alone to exercise our individual freedoms. So slam dunk, no?

Close, but no.

God>Freedom>Poor People

You'd think that, but these are also the areas of teetotalers, even though Jesus turned water into wine. Wine, of course, was beloved of god, freedom, and the poor.

Oklahoma has the harshest sentences for weed in the country; not gonna happen. People have been known to <a data-cke-saved-href="http://www.alternet.org/story/150935/the_5_worst_ states_to_get_busted_ with_pot" www.alternet.org="" story="" 150935="" the_5_worst_states_to_get_busted_with_pot"="" href="http://www.alternet.org/story/150935/the_5_worst_states_to_get_b usted_with_pot">go to prison for life over small amounts there.

FuzedBox:Oklahoma has the harshest sentences for weed in the country; not gonna happen. People have been known to <a data-cke-saved-href="http://www.alternet.org/story/150935/the_5_worst_ states_to_get_busted_ with_pot" www.alternet.org="" story="" 150935="" the_5_worst_states_to_get_busted_with_pot"="" href="http://www.alternet.org/story/150935/the_5_worst_states_to_get_b usted_with_pot">go to prison for life over small amounts there.

This text is now purple:scotchcrotch: AliceBToklasLives: They are a heavily Republican state. Republicans believe government should get out of our personal lives and leave us alone to exercise our individual freedoms. So slam dunk, no?

Close, but no.

God>Freedom>Poor People

You'd think that, but these are also the areas of teetotalers, even though Jesus turned water into wine. Wine, of course, was beloved of god, freedom, and the poor.

AliceBToklasLives:Republicans believe government should get out of our personal lives and leave us alone to exercise our individual freedoms

Yep. Just as Democrats are generally pro-choice and thus would support my right to choose to do things like choose to carry a concealed weapon, choose to be employed without joining a union, or choose to use my tax money in voucher form to send my kids to a school that doesn't suck.

(Long time ago) 'got pulled over in OK on a cross-country voyage. My friend and I had just smoked. Trooper ordered us out of the truck, and started searching, repeating the old "tell me and I'll be easy on you jazz." When he was on the verge of discovery, we caved and told him where our small bag was (1/8 maybe).

He took us to the side of the truck hidden from traffic, had us dump the bag in the breeze, and tossed our bowl in a field. Then he wished us a good day and sent us on our way. Phew.

jonasborg:TheHighlandHowler: Trooper ordered us out of the truck, and started searching

"I do not consent to a search of my person, house, papers, effects or motor vehicle. I retain my 4th Amendment rights and all other rights under the United States and State Constitutions"

Learn it. Live it. Love it.

That's a good thing to say. Seeing as how he let them go, if they had said that from the start, they would have ended up seeing the inside of jail. It's one thing to quote and try to work the 4th Amendment in certain instances, but from the smell the trooper had probable cause. Like it or not, this doesn't always work in all situations.

kerrigand:jonasborg: TheHighlandHowler: Trooper ordered us out of the truck, and started searching

"I do not consent to a search of my person, house, papers, effects or motor vehicle. I retain my 4th Amendment rights and all other rights under the United States and State Constitutions"

Learn it. Live it. Love it.

That's a good thing to say. Seeing as how he let them go, if they had said that from the start, they would have ended up seeing the inside of jail. It's one thing to quote and try to work the 4th Amendment in certain instances, but from the smell the trooper had probable cause. Like it or not, this doesn't always work in all situations.

Talking about the Constitution is way better than knowing how it actually works. Area Man Passionate Defender.... and so on

Tigger:kerrigand: jonasborg: TheHighlandHowler: Trooper ordered us out of the truck, and started searching

"I do not consent to a search of my person, house, papers, effects or motor vehicle. I retain my 4th Amendment rights and all other rights under the United States and State Constitutions"

Learn it. Live it. Love it.

That's a good thing to say. Seeing as how he let them go, if they had said that from the start, they would have ended up seeing the inside of jail. It's one thing to quote and try to work the 4th Amendment in certain instances, but from the smell the trooper had probable cause. Like it or not, this doesn't always work in all situations.

Talking about the Constitution is way better than knowing how it actually works. Area Man Passionate Defender.... and so on

While I couldn't agree more with the gist of what Jonasborg was trying to say and everyone needs to learn what it means, sometimes, just as in this case, it would have hurt more than it would have helped. Not every LEO is a person out to mess up your life. Case in point, this one.

kerrigand:Tigger: kerrigand: jonasborg: TheHighlandHowler: Trooper ordered us out of the truck, and started searching

"I do not consent to a search of my person, house, papers, effects or motor vehicle. I retain my 4th Amendment rights and all other rights under the United States and State Constitutions"

Learn it. Live it. Love it.

That's a good thing to say. Seeing as how he let them go, if they had said that from the start, they would have ended up seeing the inside of jail. It's one thing to quote and try to work the 4th Amendment in certain instances, but from the smell the trooper had probable cause. Like it or not, this doesn't always work in all situations.

Talking about the Constitution is way better than knowing how it actually works. Area Man Passionate Defender.... and so on

While I couldn't agree more with the gist of what Jonasborg was trying to say and everyone needs to learn what it means, sometimes, just as in this case, it would have hurt more than it would have helped. Not every LEO is a person out to mess up your life. Case in point, this one.

basemetal:jonasborg: TheHighlandHowler: Trooper ordered us out of the truck, and started searching

"I do not consent to a search of my person, house, papers, effects or motor vehicle. I retain my 4th Amendment rights and all other rights under the United States and State Constitutions"

Learn it. Live it. Love it

Sir, please step back to my cruiser and get in back while we call the canine unit. If the dog doesn't alert, we will let you continue on your way.

/resist and get a taserin//that's how that actually works outside the ivory tower

That's right, once he had probable cause, the 4th, at least on the car, went(no pun intended) out the window. All he would have had to do was call in a canine unit and they, at that time would have seen the inside of jail. He wasn't out to be a prick to them.

Tigger:kerrigand: Tigger: kerrigand: jonasborg: TheHighlandHowler: Trooper ordered us out of the truck, and started searching

"I do not consent to a search of my person, house, papers, effects or motor vehicle. I retain my 4th Amendment rights and all other rights under the United States and State Constitutions"

Learn it. Live it. Love it.

That's a good thing to say. Seeing as how he let them go, if they had said that from the start, they would have ended up seeing the inside of jail. It's one thing to quote and try to work the 4th Amendment in certain instances, but from the smell the trooper had probable cause. Like it or not, this doesn't always work in all situations.

Talking about the Constitution is way better than knowing how it actually works. Area Man Passionate Defender.... and so on

While I couldn't agree more with the gist of what Jonasborg was trying to say and everyone needs to learn what it means, sometimes, just as in this case, it would have hurt more than it would have helped. Not every LEO is a person out to mess up your life. Case in point, this one.

This is also true.

It's a tricky matter. On one hand, an officer can say "Just tell me where it is and I'll let you go" and then totally take you to jail when you do and it would be a completely legit arrest and air tight case. On the other hand, if you start pulling all those "I have the rights and I'm going to exercise them" thing you can almost guarantee an arrest, stay in jail, and MAYBE a lawyer can get it dismissed. Sadly, you're odds are better playing nice then whipping out the Constitution. Of course, being white doesn't hurt either.

DittoToo:Tigger: kerrigand: Tigger: kerrigand: jonasborg: TheHighlandHowler: Trooper ordered us out of the truck, and started searching

"I do not consent to a search of my person, house, papers, effects or motor vehicle. I retain my 4th Amendment rights and all other rights under the United States and State Constitutions"

Learn it. Live it. Love it.

That's a good thing to say. Seeing as how he let them go, if they had said that from the start, they would have ended up seeing the inside of jail. It's one thing to quote and try to work the 4th Amendment in certain instances, but from the smell the trooper had probable cause. Like it or not, this doesn't always work in all situations.

Talking about the Constitution is way better than knowing how it actually works. Area Man Passionate Defender.... and so on

While I couldn't agree more with the gist of what Jonasborg was trying to say and everyone needs to learn what it means, sometimes, just as in this case, it would have hurt more than it would have helped. Not every LEO is a person out to mess up your life. Case in point, this one.

This is also true.

It's a tricky matter. On one hand, an officer can say "Just tell me where it is and I'll let you go" and then totally take you to jail when you do and it would be a completely legit arrest and air tight case. On the other hand, if you start pulling all those "I have the rights and I'm going to exercise them" thing you can almost guarantee an arrest, stay in jail, and MAYBE a lawyer can get it dismissed. Sadly, you're odds are better playing nice then whipping out the Constitution. Of course, being white doesn't hurt either.

The instant you start playing lawyer with a cop, they will start enforcing the law to the letter. And the law strictly by the book is a biatch, and the cop knows it much better than you do.

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo:DittoToo: Tigger: kerrigand: Tigger: kerrigand: jonasborg: TheHighlandHowler: Trooper ordered us out of the truck, and started searching

"I do not consent to a search of my person, house, papers, effects or motor vehicle. I retain my 4th Amendment rights and all other rights under the United States and State Constitutions"

Learn it. Live it. Love it.

That's a good thing to say. Seeing as how he let them go, if they had said that from the start, they would have ended up seeing the inside of jail. It's one thing to quote and try to work the 4th Amendment in certain instances, but from the smell the trooper had probable cause. Like it or not, this doesn't always work in all situations.

Talking about the Constitution is way better than knowing how it actually works. Area Man Passionate Defender.... and so on

While I couldn't agree more with the gist of what Jonasborg was trying to say and everyone needs to learn what it means, sometimes, just as in this case, it would have hurt more than it would have helped. Not every LEO is a person out to mess up your life. Case in point, this one.

This is also true.

It's a tricky matter. On one hand, an officer can say "Just tell me where it is and I'll let you go" and then totally take you to jail when you do and it would be a completely legit arrest and air tight case. On the other hand, if you start pulling all those "I have the rights and I'm going to exercise them" thing you can almost guarantee an arrest, stay in jail, and MAYBE a lawyer can get it dismissed. Sadly, you're odds are better playing nice then whipping out the Constitution. Of course, being white doesn't hurt either.

The instant you start playing lawyer with a cop, they will start enforcing the law to the letter. And the law strictly by the book is a biatch, and the cop knows it much better than you do.

Fact of the matter, it's always, always, better, to respect than to disrespect. I realize there are many times that this is not the case. There are times that citing the 4th is the best thing to do. The fact still is, is that most people will treat you with respect, when you do so to them. Disrespect will almost instantly cue a bad case of ill will towards you. Some will learn this early on in life, others, later, and by tough means.

kerrigand:Fact of the matter, it's always, always, better, to respect than to disrespect. I realize there are many times that this is not the case. There are times that citing the 4th is the best thing to do. The fact still is, is that most people will treat you with respect, when you do so to them. Disrespect will almost instantly cue a bad case of ill will towards you. Some will learn this early on in life, others, later, and by tough means.