How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

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Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca

Precisely my point. Unions can be a good thing, but they need it needs to be a completely voluntary. Imposing the union will on someone who wants nothing to do with it is fascism at its best.

My wife used to work for a company that was adamantly anti-union, the owner said he'd never run a union shop and every time there was a vote, the employees unanimously turned down unionization. He took really good care of everyone without having a union around. That pissed off the union, who would routinely send thugs around to vandalize the site, they'd slash tires on work trucks, they broke into the office once and stole all the computers. Luckily, he had cameras and caught all of the people involved and when the cops showed up, the union hung them all out to dry claiming they had no knowledge of their actions.

Unions suck.

There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

Originally Posted by Cephus

My wife used to work for a company that was adamantly anti-union, the owner said he'd never run a union shop and every time there was a vote, the employees unanimously turned down unionization. He took really good care of everyone without having a union around. That pissed off the union, who would routinely send thugs around to vandalize the site, they'd slash tires on work trucks, they broke into the office once and stole all the computers. Luckily, he had cameras and caught all of the people involved and when the cops showed up, the union hung them all out to dry claiming they had no knowledge of their actions.

Unions suck.

It's so sad, the concept of a union is such an amazing one. Free people voluntarily banding together to bargain for better wages and working conditions. However what we have here is a corrupt gang of thugs that wants to petition the government to force people who dont want to be union to pay them money. It's so sad seeing how effective and voluntary the unions are here in europe, vs the bull**** that we tolerate at home.

Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca

Then why do you demand that union membership for some careers must be mandatory?

Careers no

Positions at companies that have made such contracts with unions

I just point out that no careers force a person to be part of a union. People have the choice of working at a company that has a union and is a closed shop or not work for that company. They can work for or at any number of other companies/jobs that do not require it

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Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca

It's so sad, the concept of a union is such an amazing one. Free people voluntarily banding together to bargain for better wages and working conditions. However what we have here is a corrupt gang of thugs that wants to petition the government to force people who dont want to be union to pay them money. It's so sad seeing how effective and voluntary the unions are here in europe, vs the bull**** that we tolerate at home.

It's not about bargaining, it's about demanding. The unions have an absurd amount of power, they demand what they want and if they don't get it, they shut your business down until you cough it up because you legally can't go hire new non-union workers. It's like trying to deal with a guy who has a gun in your mouth, but you're not allowed to take it out.

There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

Re: How many here belong a union in the public or private sector? Why? or Why not?

Originally Posted by Cephus

It's not about bargaining, it's about demanding. The unions have an absurd amount of power, they demand what they want and if they don't get it, they shut your business down until you cough it up because you legally can't go hire new non-union workers. It's like trying to deal with a guy who has a gun in your mouth, but you're not allowed to take it out.

You can hire replacement workers during a strike or lock out, they business can and many due operate during strikes

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