BlacKStaR wrote:HA! Atheists have to prove that there is no god!!!! Otherwise their assertions area pretty much dismissible.

No actually atheists do not have to prove anything in my opinion. Their non-belief is well grounded and based on logic. Theists may have their own logic for believing but there is some blind-faith in there somewhere.

You nailed it right Mrcommonsense. The argument applies to both sides. Until the cows comes back home, the atheists have nothing in their hand. It is simple really, all they have to do is prove that there is no god.

BlacKStaR wrote:HA! Atheists have to prove that there is no god!!!! Otherwise their assertions area pretty much dismissible.

No actually atheists do not have to prove anything in my opinion. Their non-belief is well grounded and based on logic. Theists may have their own logic for believing but there is some blind-faith in there somewhere.

So what logic do you apply when one say something like " There is no god" ??

I have been wanting to know that there is infact NO such a thing as god!!

BlacKStaR wrote:HA! Atheists have to prove that there is no god!!!! Otherwise their assertions area pretty much dismissible.

Lack of evidence is the reason for my being an atheist.

I am big enough to drop my pride and do a complete U-Turn on any matter, but show me proof. The burden of proof is on ‘you’ to prove that there is a god, not on me to prove that there isn’t. (I’m assuming this and much more has all been said many times before but cut me some slack while I try to digest a few more crumbs of this massive forum loaf )

Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit non qui negat. The proof lies upon the one who affirms, not the one who denies.

Go ahead make your case.

gupsfu wrote:When someone uses the "taken out of context" argument without explaining what it's really supposed to mean, you know he's lying.

Muslims are so secure in their faith that they need to kill those who don’t share it.

Blackstar I am a hindu too. I follow Hindusim because I like the spiritual wealth that it contains and it helps me understand the meaning of life, and strive towards an ideal. It helps me to find my inner self (which I call God). Of course the outward devotion to God also helps me a lot.

But logically speaking, why should any atheist believe in what I do? These things may not appeal to everyone and everyone should be free to believe in whatever they want as long as it does not hurt anyone else. It depends upon the nature of the person. Youask whats the proof there is no God? An atheist can ask you, "Whats the proof there is no flying spaghetti monster?" What will you say?

Even within a religion...no two person's beliefs are the same. So how about people from different religions/atheism?

You nailed it right Mrcommonsense. The argument applies to both sides. Until the cows comes back home, the atheists have nothing in their hand. It is simple really, all they have to do is prove that there is no god.

Until mean time......

So, you think werewolves are real?

It is not logical to believe that the same God who has allegedly endowed us with sense, reasons, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.

You nailed it right Mrcommonsense. The argument applies to both sides. Until the cows comes back home, the atheists have nothing in their hand. It is simple really, all they have to do is prove that there is no god.

Until mean time......

So, you think werewolves are real?

Romanians and Translavannians believe it as real. Can you prove them wrong????? Please by all means do so.

BlacKStaR wrote:HA! Atheists have to prove that there is no god!!!! Otherwise their assertions area pretty much dismissible.

Lack of evidence is the reason for my being an atheist.

I am big enough to drop my pride and do a complete U-Turn on any matter, but show me proof. The burden of proof is on ‘you’ to prove that there is a god, not on me to prove that there isn’t. (I’m assuming this and much more has all been said many times before but cut me some slack while I try to digest a few more crumbs of this massive forum loaf )

Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit non qui negat. The proof lies upon the one who affirms, not the one who denies.

Go ahead make your case.

Chiclets,

the spiritualist delve in spirituality and always seek for higher truth. What do atheists delve in? Dont make the fundamental mistake by using science to defend atheism against spiritualists. Science is a neutral body. It doesnt side anyone.

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Akshay wrote:Blackstar I am a hindu too. I follow Hindusim because I like the spiritual wealth that it contains and it helps me understand the meaning of life, and strive towards an ideal. It helps me to find my inner self (which I call God). Of course the outward devotion to God also helps me a lot.

But logically speaking, why should any atheist believe in what I do? These things may not appeal to everyone and everyone should be free to believe in whatever they want as long as it does not hurt anyone else. It depends upon the nature of the person. Youask whats the proof there is no God? An atheist can ask you, "Whats the proof there is no flying spaghetti monster?" What will you say?

Even within a religion...no two person's beliefs are the same. So how about people from different religions/atheism?

" Flying Spahgetti Monster". Can you get a better example?

Hindus are not required to refute anything. We are required to understand and absorb everything.Only difference is that, at anytime of the day, only one thing needs to be held as the pillar of faith. Dharma. failure to uphold dharma is a failure to be a hindu. This is already said by Ram, Krishna, and many many incarnations.

BlacKStaR wrote:You nailed it right Mrcommonsense. The argument applies to both sides. Until the cows comes back home, the atheists have nothing in their hand. It is simple really, all they have to do is prove that there is no god.

Until mean time......

mrcommonsensenow wrote:So, you think werewolves are real?

BlacKStaR wrote:Romanians and Translavannians believe it as real. Can you prove them wrong????? Please by all means do so.

I did not ask if Romanians and Transylvanians believe it’s real.

Try again. Maybe you can get it right the third time around.

It is not logical to believe that the same God who has allegedly endowed us with sense, reasons, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.

BlacKStaR wrote:" Flying Spahgetti Monster". Can you get a better example?

Hindus are not required to refute anything. We are required to understand and absorb everything.Only difference is that, at anytime of the day, only one thing needs to be held as the pillar of faith. Dharma. failure to uphold dharma is a failure to be a hindu. This is already said by Ram, Krishna, and many many incarnations.

Totally agree with you on Dharma. But I was just saying that its the theists who make a positive claim that "there is a God." Atheists do not make any positive claim and simply do not believe what there is no proof for. So really, the burden of proof lies with the theists.

That being said, a belief has strong powers and can shape the way a person perceives the truth. The belief (or non belief) happens because of a person;s nature. Every person;s nature is different and it is up to the individual to decide how they want to go about this game of life. The four yogas...Raja yoga, Bhakti Yoga, Jnana Yoga, and Karma Yoga are different schools of making the journey and a person ideally decides which. Hindusim is also not against atheism...in fact there can be atheist Hindus as there have been over the centuries.

BlacKStaR wrote:" Flying Spahgetti Monster". Can you get a better example?

Hindus are not required to refute anything. We are required to understand and absorb everything.Only difference is that, at anytime of the day, only one thing needs to be held as the pillar of faith. Dharma. failure to uphold dharma is a failure to be a hindu. This is already said by Ram, Krishna, and many many incarnations.

Totally agree with you on Dharma. But I was just saying that its the theists who make a positive claim that "there is a God." Atheists do not make any positive claim and simply do not believe what there is no proof for. So really, the burden of proof lies with the theists.

That being said, a belief has strong powers and can shape the way a person perceives the truth. The belief (or non belief) happens because of a person;s nature. Every person;s nature is different and it is up to the individual to decide how they want to go about this game of life. The four yogas...Raja yoga, Bhakti Yoga, Jnana Yoga, and Karma Yoga are different schools of making the journey and a person ideally decides which. Hindusim is also not against atheism...in fact there can be atheist Hindus as there have been over the centuries.

OK. You know what, I was chillin out this morning enjoying my Baileys coffee, when the doorbell rang. Two Jehovah's witness dudes, (1 is a little chinese new convert) came bout and started talking about world politics. And how finally, after I pointed out to them that they are christian missionaries, they quickly acknowledged that they are from watchtower. In that brief moment ( being an ex catholic my self) i could see what was coming. Jehovah's witness dismissed all other christian denominations, and suprise suprise! they dont believe in heaven and hell and started talking garbage about hinduism and how it is superficial and doesnt contain any salvation. I was pretty tipsy and was in no mood to dig the bible. They went on ranting about the paradise that must be established and how Jesus will emerge and take us all away to this paradise.

Now, as you can see, jehovas witness obviously closed their hearts to the sufferings that mother earth is undergoing. Yet they are busy talking about saving infidels. As a neutral person, do you think a dose of Dharma will do them good? They have absolutely no understanding of what hinduism is, and carried on bashing it up right infront of my face. These area theists, ( believers of god) and yet they have no clues whatsoever about what is going around them. They even quoted that Mahatma Gandhi is a christian by their account.

Terrible.

Now how much difference lies between people who believe in god compared to atheists!!!!!!! I would have recommended atheism to them.