DarkBluePhoenix wrote:Technically speaking, her mother is the one with choking experience, Ritsuko just watched. Though in Ritsuko's twisted head (after her mental breakdown anyway), she may make a move on Shinji to get back at his father in some convoluted way. That would be a disturbing fic to read.

I meant Asuka had experience with being choked, but admittedly I could have phrased it way more clearly.

So we know Fuyutsuki was heavily infatuated with Yui, and not just emotionally since he's stared at her breasts even after she was married with a child.

And in-universe most people who knew of Yui picked up on the connection between her and Rei.

And Rei is a completely submissive doll who doesn't seem to worry about men seeing her naked.

Therefore, I cannot help but conclude Fuyutsuki has likely slept with Rei at least once, possibly more times.

You're welcome. B)

Side note this is wrong all kind of levels and Rei in my view is not submissive she is quite out of fear and terror of being replaced it why she does not value her existence or life and her apartment being a mess points to someone with deep depression, hence the bloody bandages and things left as they are not picked up.

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Apart from you removing the quote coding and thus not making clear to people skipping to this page that you didn't write this, glad to see I can still make an impression.

silvermoonlight wrote:Side note this is wrong all kind of levels and Rei in my view is not submissive she is quite out of fear and terror of being replaced it why she does not value her existence or life and her apartment being a mess points to someone with deep depression, hence the bloody bandages and things left as they are not picked up.

Rei isn't afraid of being replaced, she knows she's replaceable and has resigned herself to that fate. That's why she's willing to take suicidal missions, because she knows her death is no real loss. As for her apartment, I think that's more to show her detachment from the world, like the way she isolates herself with books. She's not truly depressed because she's capable of being happy, as seen with Gendo and Shinji. She's more withdrawn than depressed.

And it's pretty clear she's submissive. Apart from accepting any order without question, there's that time she didn't even try to stop Asuka from slapping her.

ACGT-Samael wrote:Rei isn't afraid of being replaced, she knows she's replaceable and has resigned herself to that fate. That's why she's willing to take suicidal missions, because she knows her death is no real loss. As for her apartment, I think that's more to show her detachment from the world, like the way she isolates herself with books. She's not truly depressed because she's capable of being happy, as seen with Gendo and Shinji. She's more withdrawn than depressed.

And it's pretty clear she's submissive. Apart from accepting any order without question, there's that time she didn't even try to stop Asuka from slapping her.

That is a very accurate assessment.

Anyway, back on topic... another ship I enjoy is Kaworu and Rei, mainly just to see how it would work out if Kaworu decided to not go down to central Dogma and instead explore his relationship with Rei

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Pen Pen and Fuyutsuki are my favorite ship. More seriously, I like to ship Shinji and Asuka, I have that idea that they could've lived happily together without Nerv, Seele, Evas and Angels. Or at least if they had an actual psychologist to avoid depression.Also, Shinji and Kaworu because yaoi is the best thing humanity ever made, period.Finally, and there I enter into the awkward fan theory zone, I also like to ship Rei with Asuka. It usually happens by imagining what could've happened if the elevator scene went better.

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ACGT-Samael#877535 wrote:Rei isn't afraid of being replaced, she knows she's replaceable and has resigned herself to that fate.

Those two things don't neccessarily contradict each other - She may have accepted it as an unchanging fact of life and still feel aun unpleasant tug in the pit of her stomach when she contemplates the thought

I mean, she doesn't just do what people tell her because she has no thoughts of her own (unless we're strictly talking of her 3.0 version). When Shinji questions Gendo her response is not to say "Why would you say that?" or "The commander is always right.", but to get mad and sock him in the face because how dare he. She's more like a cult member (a comparision Anno explicitly made once IIRC) than a robot - she truly believes in Gendo's plan since she's been brought up in isolation with her whole life focussed on this big external mission, that her life, her thoughts and her feelings (which she very much had since the beginning) are unimportant compared to The Cause and that she has, can't have, nothing outside of it, something that is certainly exaggerated/emphasized by how Gendo can just warm up a new one of her at any time.

Asuka certainly assumed that, as she puts in in ep 11, "she would do anything to get her goal", but it's telling that when she's actually ordered to do something that could be considered ruthless or dicey, she reacts very differently, such as when she questions Misato's orders to retreat after Shinji gets swallowed by Leliel, or when she gets steamrolled by Bardiel because she had real difficulty blasting a classmate whom she had a few vaguely friendly interactions with, not to mention that she consistently displays the most care for her comrades out of the three pilots (ste stays at Shinji's bedside after Ramiel grilled him way before they were actually friends, and even tried to give Asuka some advice/help)

And not minding if people see her naked probably has less to do with "submissiveness" and more with being raised in isolation away from human condition as a lab specimen that probably gets poked and prodded all the time, Ritsuko, Fuyutsuki and Gendo have dry technical business conversations all the time while she just stands there in her tube. She's probably read enough biology books to know what humans do with their dangly bits but it doesn't pertain to her since its not In The Plan.

That would probably have quite the opposite effect on any potential sexual encounters she might have in some hypothetical future. There's nothing "special" about being naked for her and she probably has a rather distant relationship to her physicality - in some sense her body is a swappable part of hardware somewhat 'mismatched' to the Lillith-derived software, besides, it's some frankensteinesque device that Gendo made as a remote control for Lillith and third impact, with a dead woman's face to boot, a meat-machine owned and mantained by NERV at best and at worst a cumbersome conduit through which to experience pain. Heck, she probably has a sorta abstract, in-her-head bookish personality to begin with, even before all the other stuff is taken into account. We've seen that she certainly has the capacity to yearn for an intimate, primal sort of connection, but I could easily see her having difficulty connecting that or getting that in some sort of alignment with vaguely tingly sensations in the downstairs regions.

While its certainly possible that she could eventually learn to see her body as a vehicle for pleasure and self expression (and that this might well turn out to be a transformative experience, in the same way that learning to value the simple earthy pleasures of yummy nom stuff and to make a social activity out of it was imho legit positive development in the rebuilds), I doubt she'dfind a lot of enjoyment in , or even be particularly good at the bottom position or passive role, you'd probably have what certain men crudely term 'dead fish syndrome' until she had some time to get in tune with her body.

I mean there's a couple of situation where she does display a capacity for embrassment (such as when Shinji tries to refashion his Yui-related shower thought into a compliment) or "!! my stuff !!" (look at her expression when she comes home during Touji and Shinji's visit, but before the latter explains that he touched nothing other than the trash), but there's very, very little that qualifies as "my stuff" in Rei's world, not even the meatsack she lives in, and there is certainly some perversity to that

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Voted in college to be Most likely to Take Over the World, how to do that however, will require at leastFour Evangelions. Thanks for the idea Misato-san!"Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds." Said at the beginning of the nuclear age by J. Robert Oppenheimer."That which does not kill us makes us stronger." Words of Wisdom from German Philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche.

cyharding wrote:^Toji died in the manga. He survived in the episode, though he lost a leg for his trouble.

I know. Simply saying had he died in the anime, they could've worked the Hikari/Kensuke love angle but sadly all we got was a scene between them in episode 22 discussing how Toji is still in the hospital and other stuff I can't remember...

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I'm not entirely sure what to think about that image. On one hand, too prude to go for the full naked apron. On the other, based on the color, school swimsuit under the apron may set off a whole different fetish...

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