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NY Times: Lesbian Republican an Even Rarer Breed than Gay Republican

Please read this article about a lesbian gay advocate (very oxymoronish). This lady is absolutely disgusting. Reprehensible. She worked on legislation to banish gay marriage when she was married to a guy in her 20's. Now, at the tender age of 53, she's working to undo her own work.

I got a link to this article from a straight friend. She's perplexed, I mean PERPLEXED, that there are gay Republicans out there.

"Rarely do we find men who willingly engage in hard solid thinking. There is an almost universal quest for easy answers and half-baked solutions. Nothing pains some people more than having to think.'' - Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

There is no way to measure the true numbers, but gay activists say that in many cases, these “unicorns” were Republicans before they were gay — driven by conservative upbringings, economic issues and libertarian principles. They often did not acknowledge their sexual orientation, even to themselves, until middle age.

I guess the author of this piece at The NY Times didn't hear the bullshit theory that most middle-aged gay men and women were wiped out by HIV/AIDS. Thank BP for that gem and he was serious too.

Ms. Smith, a 53-year-old teacher in North Carolina, said that despite signs that she was attracted to women, she was “clueless” in her youth.

“I always wanted to find a husband because my mother felt that women should be married,” Ms. Smith said.

^^^ I called it denial in the other thread (How can you have attractions to the same sex and then call yourself "clueless"?). Others call it HIV/AIDS sparing these lesbians. *shakes head*

"Rarely do we find men who willingly engage in hard solid thinking. There is an almost universal quest for easy answers and half-baked solutions. Nothing pains some people more than having to think.'' - Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

When you are taught from a very young age that being gay is sinful and that god hates you and you will be in hell,you will often do what this woman is and deny who you are. You will get married and in many cases will often work anti-gay causes to furth convince yourself you are something you're not.
Does it make me feel sorry for her or others that do this? Not in the least. Just as a crappy childhood isn't an excuse to hurt others,being a self-loather does NOT give you the right to put other LGBT citizens through unjust discrimination because of your issues.

When you are taught from a very young age that being gay is sinful and that god hates you and you will be in hell,you will often do what this woman is and deny who you are. You will get married and in many cases will often work anti-gay causes to furth convince yourself you are something you're not.
Does it make me feel sorry for her or others that do this? Not in the least. Just as a crappy childhood isn't an excuse to hurt others,being a self-loather does NOT give you the right to put other LGBT citizens through unjust discrimination because of your issues.

Self-loathing is fine. But working against the gay community and then forgetting that you're playing a role in bigotry... unforgivable.

"Rarely do we find men who willingly engage in hard solid thinking. There is an almost universal quest for easy answers and half-baked solutions. Nothing pains some people more than having to think.'' - Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

Even though after he came out of the closet he has tried to repair some of the great harm he helped inflict on homos in the US, including being some credit for helping to swing the vote for homo marriage in New York State?

Honestly, I would say that everyone who honestly tries to do the right thing, deserves some degree of "break". What seriously bothers me is that this woman said she "feels no regret" about her participation in the creation of DOMA...

That we are capable only of being what we are, remains our unforgivable sin.
- Gene Wolfe

Even though after he came out of the closet he has tried to repair some of the great harm he helped inflict on homos in the US, including being some credit for helping to swing the vote for homo marriage in New York State?

I don't see why I should feel anything but contempt for those people. They lied to themselves and the world and they helped bigots oppress the rest of us. In a broader sense, there are children who have taken their own life because of them. And I should give them a pat on the head for being sorry and supposedly trying to fix it? From WITHIN the GOP? Girl please...

That we are capable only of being what we are, remains our unforgivable sin.
- Gene Wolfe

I give way more credit to all of the people, including people older than the people in this article, who DIDN'T spend half their life trying to get discriminatory legislation passed before they self-embraced.

These people don't deserve any special applause. They're just LESS vile than people like Larry Craig, but far from commendable.

I don't see why I should feel anything but contempt for those people. They lied to themselves and the world and they helped bigots oppress the rest of us. In a broader sense, there are children who have taken their own life because of them. And I should give them a pat on the head for being sorry and supposedly trying to fix it? From WITHIN the GOP? Girl please...

such righteous bullshit on display

people make mistakes ....... life doesn't end ......... all u can do is try to make it better

and she/ken have

hopefully they can feel better about themselves

what would u rather have ...... people who keep fucking up and hurting our cause

people make mistakes ....... life doesn't end ......... all u can do is try to make it better

and she/ken have

hopefully they can feel better about themselves

what would u rather have ...... people who keep fucking up and hurting our cause

or people who see the light

your inability to forgive isn't a strength ..... it's a weakness

Maybe you're not grasping the fact that since we aren't gay Republicans desperately trying to cobble together some kind of intellectual honesty and integrity in being gay Republicans, we don't have a vested interest here in going out of our way to say these people who sought to codify discrimination against gay people into law having a late-life turn around are great people doing something awesome.

Like I said, someone who didn't live their life into the 50's doing this and suddenly turn around are far more commendable than these people are. There is nothing to praise here.

I'm sorry for you that this is the best you got as far as putting forth a gay Republican role model to point towards. It's really friggin sad.

i'm not blaming u or the impish one or the newb for anything other than your cynical loathsome reaction to what appears to me to be a positive turn of events

no need to throw a party for either/both

but the reaction is over the top

but standard

Ken is much taller and not as good looking btw

and richer

Great good for them they managed to reach the point in their personal development in their 50's+ that many of us reached by 18, only we got there without actively participating in persecution of gay people.

I give way more credit to all of the people, including people older than the people in this article, who DIDN'T spend half their life trying to get discriminatory legislation passed before they self-embraced.

These people don't deserve any special applause. They're just LESS vile than people like Larry Craig, but far from commendable.

What he said ^^^ minus the less vile part. These people coming out of the woodwork now are opportunists. They can go to hell.

"Rarely do we find men who willingly engage in hard solid thinking. There is an almost universal quest for easy answers and half-baked solutions. Nothing pains some people more than having to think.'' - Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

Honestly, I would say that everyone who honestly tries to do the right thing, deserves some degree of "break". What seriously bothers me is that this woman said she "feels no regret" about her participation in the creation of DOMA...

This is what seems to indicate that she has not come full circle as Chance would want us to believe.

There is no real contrition without a declaration that the creation and support of DOMA was wrong.