On the series which I finished watching yesterday: Really lame. Bumblebee kills Magatron ? Cmon…And why did they even bother to go as far as Prime calling his crew the “Beast Hunters” when the beasts never actually materialized ? The toy line probally set a record for the most new molds created never to get an appearance in the TV series. I count at least 10 beasts not counting the repaints. I have a feeling at some point the whole script was re-written to accommodate the cancellation of a planned season 4. Maybe because Michael Bay had just scored a deal for 3 more Transformer films and Peter Culen can only do so much. That’s just my opinion.

Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:Come on now, it's dumb yeah, but it's aimed at children. *he says after making a critique about the show in the appropriate forum*

Rated X wrote:The toy line probally set a record for the most new molds created never to get an appearance in the TV series. I count at least 10 beasts not counting the repaints.

Have you SEEN the Beast Wars/Beast Machines toy line?

I wasn't collecting when those TV series were on the air, so no. How bad is it ?

But I honestly feel there was intention to include these characters in the script, but then something happened that forced a cancellation and script change. Maybe not Abominus, but the deluxes and that green voyager with the wings. Not to mention that blue lion character that was in the same wave with Skyquake. New molds cost alot, and the TV cast always sells better in stores and Hasbro knows that. Something had to go wrong in my opinion.

Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:Come on now, it's dumb yeah, but it's aimed at children. *he says after making a critique about the show in the appropriate forum*

Rated X wrote:The toy line probally set a record for the most new molds created never to get an appearance in the TV series. I count at least 10 beasts not counting the repaints.

Have you SEEN the Beast Wars/Beast Machines toy line?

I wasn't collecting when those TV series were on the air, so no. How bad is it ?

But I honestly feel there was intention to include these characters in the script, but then something happened that forced a cancellation and script change. Maybe not Abominus, but the deluxes and that green voyager with the wings. Not to mention that blue lion character that was in the same wave with Skyquake. New molds cost alot, and the TV cast always sells better in stores and Hasbro knows that. Something had to go wrong in my opinion.

Quite bad. We're talking like, 40 figures for BW and 20 or more for BM.

As for the blue lion dude. That was Thundertron. He was captain of the Star Seekers, a faction of space pirates who's home planet was destroyed by Cybertronians, so he hates all of them (Autobot and Decepticon). I believe he was actually supposed to be part of the Aligned Continuity line, but they released him in the TF:P:RID line for some reason.

Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:As for the blue lion dude. That was Thundertron. He was captain of the Star Seekers, a faction of space pirates who's home planet was destroyed by Cybertronians, so he hates all of them (Autobot and Decepticon). I believe he was actually supposed to be part of the Aligned Continuity line, but they released him in the TF:P:RID line for some reason.

Dare I..?

Aligned is the overall continuity, Prime is part of it. Thundertron has appeared in the continuity between the end of the games and the beginning of Prime, in the Exiles ..sigh.. novel. May feature in the upcoming novel, Retribution.

Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:As for the blue lion dude. That was Thundertron. He was captain of the Star Seekers, a faction of space pirates who's home planet was destroyed by Cybertronians, so he hates all of them (Autobot and Decepticon). I believe he was actually supposed to be part of the Aligned Continuity line, but they released him in the TF:P:RID line for some reason.

Dare I..?

Aligned is the overall continuity, Prime is part of it. Thundertron has appeared in the continuity between the end of the games and the beginning of Prime, in the Exiles ..sigh.. novel. May feature in the upcoming novel, Retribution.

Same thing.

I'm not really into the Transformers novels. I prefer TV/Movie/Comic format when it comes to Transformers. This is off-topic however.

Bee's the one who deserved it the most, since Megatron took his voice from him and Bee finally got his revenge.

Rated X wrote:And why did they even bother to go as far as Prime calling his crew the “Beast Hunters” when the beasts never actually materialized ?

Cuz they were hunting beast bones. They made that perfectly clear in the show.

Rated X wrote:I have a feeling at some point the whole script was re-written to accommodate the cancellation of a planned season 4. Maybe because Michael Bay had just scored a deal for 3 more Transformer films and Peter Culen can only do so much. That’s just my opinion.

This would be incorrect. There wasn't a planned season 4, nor was this show cancelled. They planned to end the show with three seasons of 65 episodes from the very beginning, ever since they started working on the show. What we saw is exactly how they they wanted it to end.

Rated X wrote:But I honestly feel there was intention to include these characters in the script, but then something happened that forced a cancellation and script change. Maybe not Abominus, but the deluxes and that green voyager with the wings. Not to mention that blue lion character that was in the same wave with Skyquake. New molds cost alot, and the TV cast always sells better in stores and Hasbro knows that. Something had to go wrong in my opinion.

Nope. There was no cancellation. The show and the toyline were simply operating under different mindsets. Adding the beast theme to the show was a late decision that came as an afterthought.

The reason so few characters appeared in the show compared to the toyline is the obvious one: CGI is expensive. They can only afford to make an use so many models, hence why the vast Decepticon army consisted of Stormtrooper-type lookalikes. Had we gotten an army of beasts in the show, chances are they'd likely have all similarly been multiples of the same design.

And that lion was made to promote the novels, not the cartoon.

Va'al wrote:Aligned is the overall continuity, Prime is part of it. Thundertron has appeared in the continuity between the end of the games and the beginning of Prime, in the Exiles ..sigh.. novel. May feature in the upcoming novel, Retribution.

Bee's the one who deserved it the most, since Megatron took his voice from him and Bee finally got his revenge.

Rated X wrote:And why did they even bother to go as far as Prime calling his crew the “Beast Hunters” when the beasts never actually materialized ?

Cuz they were hunting beast bones. They made that perfectly clear in the show.

Rated X wrote:I have a feeling at some point the whole script was re-written to accommodate the cancellation of a planned season 4. Maybe because Michael Bay had just scored a deal for 3 more Transformer films and Peter Culen can only do so much. That’s just my opinion.

This would be incorrect. There wasn't a planned season 4, nor was this show cancelled. They planned to end the show with three seasons of 65 episodes from the very beginning, ever since they started working on the show. What we saw is exactly how they they wanted it to end.

Rated X wrote:But I honestly feel there was intention to include these characters in the script, but then something happened that forced a cancellation and script change. Maybe not Abominus, but the deluxes and that green voyager with the wings. Not to mention that blue lion character that was in the same wave with Skyquake. New molds cost alot, and the TV cast always sells better in stores and Hasbro knows that. Something had to go wrong in my opinion.

Nope. There was no cancellation. The show and the toyline were simply operating under different mindsets. Adding the beast theme to the show was a late decision that came as an afterthought.

The reason so few characters appeared in the show compared to the toyline is the obvious one: CGI is expensive. They can only afford to make an use so many models, hence why the vast Decepticon army consisted of Stormtrooper-type lookalikes. Had we gotten an army of beasts in the show, chances are they'd likely have all similarly been multiples of the same design.

And that lion was made to promote the novels, not the cartoon.

Va'al wrote:Aligned is the overall continuity, Prime is part of it. Thundertron has appeared in the continuity between the end of the games and the beginning of Prime, in the Exiles ..sigh.. novel. May feature in the upcoming novel, Retribution.

He will, yes.

Saberblade I can buy into most of what youre saying. But Im finding it a little hard to swallow that Lazerback and Ripclaw weren’t meant to be in the show at some point. I believe Lazerback was in stores before Season 3 even aired on TV. Granted it’s very Hasbroish for the toy line and the cartoon to be on different pages. But when has that ever affected wave 1 in any current toy line ? You usually start seeing the repaints and extras that didn’t make the cut by waves 3 and beyond. I can’t remember any wave 1 Bayformer molds that weren’t in one of the movies. (not counting repaints or video game figures) I believe the same thing holds true for wave 1 of the Animated series. I honestly believe there was a change after the toys were already in production, but before the TV series was finished. Naming an entire season after a 3 episode hunt for bones is lame even by Hasbro standards. And don’t forget the season 3 trailer where Shockwave was scared as s**t and said “The Beasts are Coming”. That doesn’t exactly go along with the plot we got.

And then to top it all off there’s this clip which seems to be official:

Rated X wrote:Saberblade I can buy into most of what youre saying. But Im finding it a little hard to swallow that Lazerback and Ripclaw weren’t meant to be in the show at some point. I believe Lazerback was in stores before Season 3 even aired on TV. Granted it’s very Hasbroish for the toy line and the cartoon to be on different pages. But when has that ever affected wave 1 in any current toy line ? You usually start seeing the repaints and extras that didn’t make the cut by waves 3 and beyond. I can’t remember any wave 1 Bayformer molds that weren’t in one of the movies. (not counting repaints or video game figures) I believe the same thing holds true for wave 1 of the Animated series. I honestly believe there was a change after the toys were already in production, but before the TV series was finished.

It's not so hard to believe when one considers that they weren't even going to have Predacons be in the show to begin with. That came as a late decision long after series finale was already planned out and set. The entire beast theme for season 3 was decided upon very late in the game, by which point there would have been little to no time to add in a whole other faction of new characters. Hence, all we got was Predaking, and later we'll get [spoiler]Darksteel and Skylynx (but none else)[/spoiler] in the Predacons Rising movie.

Rated X wrote:Naming an entire season after a 3 episode hunt for bones is lame even by Hasbro standards.

I won't disagree with that, since it was indeed that subtitle that led people to believe that the Project: Predacon subplot would be anything more than that, a subplot.

But, Hasbro's reasoning for doing it was likely to create a look of uniformity and consistency between the show and the toyline, so as to market each better.

Rated X wrote:And don’t forget the season 3 trailer where Shockwave was scared as s**t and said “The Beasts are Coming”. That doesn’t exactly go along with the plot we got.

That's because it was never for the show to begin with. It was a clip from the "Hunt the Beasts" interactive game on Hasbro's website that let you explore Shockwave's lab.

Rated X wrote:And then to top it all off there’s this clip which seems to be official:

An even greater example of how the show differed from the toyline is in the toyline's "Tales of the Beast Hunters" storyline found in each toy's instruction sheets, in which it tells a story that uses all of the characters from the toyline, but drastically contradicts the events of the cartoon. The Autobots find their toy weapons in an old ship in space, Megatron goes missing and Starscream is framed for it, Shockwave creates every Predacon who has a toy, Lazerback has his own agenda, Predaking is tyrannical warlord, etc. etc.

Speaking of which, even Predaking in the show was nothing like how the toys presented him. The toy bios and story made him out to be this monstrous villain bent on death and destruction, whereas the cartoon made him out to be a noble and compassionate individual trying to find his place in the world and bring honor to his race. If anything, the cartoon version of Predaking is so different from how Hasbro envisioned the toy character that he makes Voyager Grimwing feel redundant and unnecessary, having basically the same personality as in Grimwing bio.

The official Transformers YouTube channel has uploaded their latest "Beast Bites" video, Meet Bulkhead. Check out the video embedded below.

[quote]Beast Bites! Bite size clips featuring all your favorite Transformers Beast Hunters characters. Meet Bulkhead! This brawny giant is the muscle of the Autobots. And while he's always ready to do battle, he's got a big ole' heart to go with that rough and ready attitude. For more Transformers Beast Hunters go to Transformers.com/beasts.[/quote]

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