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If you had taken the time to go back one page before making such a bold statement, I said "Don't mind my signature" because it is a biased opinion. You assume I have no knowledge of RNG manipulation, which is the opposite of true. I know how to RNG, I know what it is, I choose not to do it, because I find it to be illegitimate. Who are you to change my OPINION?

Are you serious. Just the other page you were asking how it was done.

Originally Posted by Moonrox

I have a question (I'm honestly asking, I don't know), does RNGing use any external sources?

Originally Posted by Moonrox

Could you (theoretically) do it without it? Are those programs required? If so, it's technically illegitimate, because it uses external programs.

Originally Posted by Moonrox

Thanks for the info! I might try it out.

Originally Posted by gamer_legend

Hahaha. That made me laugh. =') In all seriousness though I don't think anyone can take it too seriously unless it tampers with competitive play.

If you had taken the time to go back one page before making such a bold statement, I said "Don't mind my signature" because it is a biased opinion. You assume I have no knowledge of RNG manipulation, which is the opposite of true. I know how to RNG, I know what it is, I choose not to do it, because I find it to be illegitimate. Who are you to change my OPINION?

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So you actually want to support my notion that most if not ALL people who despise RNGing form very biased and uneducated views on it? Fine by me go ahead. You've already proved my point pretty well so at this point your just fueling my fire.
I do assume you have no knowledge of how RNG manipulation works. If you know how to do it you wouldn't be so furious about the topic.
Your opinions happen to be very wrong and ill formed. If you were perhaps more open to the subject of RNGing instead of acting like a juvenile about it, maybe your opinion will, possibly, change.

EDIT:

Originally Posted by Lorenzo The Comic

If you think about it, RNG takes effort to do compared to straight out generating what Pokémon you want. Once that effort gets fulfilled, satisfaction may happen.

Yeah I was going to say I've been using the MM + Synchronize + Female DW Pokemon + Power Items to create egg's for a while now and honestly you'd think with the time it takes for it to actually pay off it wouldn't be any worse than SRing for a shiny Kyurem.

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
So you actually want to support my notion that most if not ALL people who despise RNGing form very biased and uneducated views on it? Fine by me go ahead. You've already proved my point pretty well so at this point your just fueling my fire.
I do assume you have no knowledge of how RNG manipulation works. If you know how to do it you wouldn't be so furious about the topic.
Your opinions happen to be very wrong and ill formed. If you were perhaps more open to the subject of RNGing instead of acting like a juvenile about it, maybe your opinion will, possibly, change.

EDIT:

Thank you for understanding Lorenzo.

I don't even want to argue with you anymore. There's no point to it. We have different opinions. And, at what point was I not open to RNGing, and at what point was I furious? Where are you getting these ideas from?

Originally Posted by Agonist

Are you serious. Just the other page you were asking how it was done.

Yes, and I went to the RNG thread and read through it before continuing the debate.

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And, look you, there is nothing in this thing of learning out of books. Here, here and here (pointing to his ear, his head and his heart) is your school. If everything is right there, then take your pen and down with it; afterward ask the opinion of a man who knows his business.

I don't even want to argue with you anymore. There's no point to it. We have different opinions. And, at what point was I not open to RNGing, and at what point was I furious? Where are you getting these ideas from?

Yes, and I went to the RNG thread and read through it before continuing the debate.

Simply reading through the RNG thread isn't going to help you understand it. You have to have a desire to understand it. Its useless approaching RNGing with an already closed mind. Its like saying "I hate apples but I'm going to try apples but I'll still hate apples afterwards."

And way to cop out of the debate just as we have successfully countered all of your points. Your opinions might be opinions but again, they are ill-formed and very biased. All you have proven is that you are a very arrogant and close minded person (hey the point I was exactly trying to prove about people who dislike RNGing). All I am saying is to open your mind to the principles of RNGing.

I don't even want to argue with you anymore. There's no point to it. We have different opinions. And, at what point was I not open to RNGing, and at what point was I furious? Where are you getting these ideas from?

Yes, and I went to the RNG thread and read through it before continuing the debate.

In all fairness it is a legitimate science it's not like grabbing an AR Max choosing the stats then creating you're own perfect pokemon. Alot of math and science goes into it and it really does take ALOT of time and effort. I personally think if you've got the determination for something like that go ahead it's not cheating if you're using the games mechanics to determine the values of what your getting but if your using something out the game to influence events within then yes it's cheating.

Thread turned in to a flame war... Shutting. All the links you need are mentioned in the thread, except for one, which is actually in someone's signature..

Serebii allows "RNG Abuse" as Nintendo "allows" it for the battle events. It used a base component of the game/game console, and having some idea on how it works. I compare the method to counting cards. Both rely is knowing what is coming up. I try to limit the talk of this in GPD.

PokeGen is a Save editor, and we've banned discussion of it on this forum as we consider it as a part of cheating device.

Oh in that case. The Distortion World is based on a Black Hole which is a region of spacetime which nothing not even light can escape. Once inside a black hole's event horizon the mechanics of time outside of that horizon no longer exists as you head towards the core.

Well, not necessarily. Time just appears to slow down from the perspective of an outside viewer to do the gravitic effects of the black hole on the light that interacts with the observer's eyes. To the person inside the black hole, everything outside would appear to be sped up. The Distortion World is actually a supposed "mirror universe" (although it isn't a "universe," per se; it's a parallel dimension), wherein time and space function opposite the way they do in the primary dimension, as well as reference to baryogenesis, which is the process by which the amount of matter in our universe came to supersede that of antimatter, even though the two should logically have existed in equal amounts.

Last edited by Endolise; 2nd December 2012 at 11:29 PM.

Originally Posted by Lord Zoroark

Listen, you gotta remember these things; always avoid claims of Fennekin being (or becoming) part Fighting-type, don't tick off mods, and NEVER (and I mean NEVER!) suggest that Arceus is the God of Pokemon when Endolise is online. If you somehow make this mistake, run for the hills before he attempts to murder you via tongue lashing.

Ratings for Pokemon games

I'm not sure where the right place to post this is so I thought here might work. I know all Pokemon games so far have been rated E in NA but does anyone think it could possibly change? in 3rd Generation we had Colosseum and XD and in 5th Generation we have BW/BW2 which have noticably darker plots. Pokemon has such a diverse age demographic for its fans I could see a T and even a M rating work.

The pokedex entries imply that the Vanillite line are made of snow and ice rather than ice cream. I don't think ice cream is made from bathing icicles in the sun. Vanilluxe makes snow clouds out of that straw, if it was ice cream wouldn't it be ice cream clouds?

Please, anyone about to do the "well, I guess you work for Game Freak!" song and dance, save yourself the trouble.

Exactly! I don't even understand what could possibly give Pokemon a T or M rating besides extreme,extreme, non cartoon violence or an indepth explanations of breeding. Or if they bring back the Game Corners that were "ruining childrens' minds and filling them with thoughts of gambling"

I suppose there are a few people out there who want T or M rated pokemon games, but it's definitely safer for them to stay E rated. Over the years, they have done a very good job at making pokemon a very kid friendly game, and making something rated T or M(especially M) would hurt pokemon's reputation, especially if they did this a lot. In the long run, I think it'd hurt them more then help.

Most teenagers or adults would probably avoid a "childish" game like pokemon, and most of it's fans are kids. Then, you've got the older fans, and some of us, like myself, prefer the childish feeling of the game. In the end, I don't think this hypothetical game will make all that much money either, or at least not as much as another E rated one.

Originally Posted by TheFonz

Exactly! I don't even understand what could possibly give Pokemon a T or M rating besides extreme,extreme, non cartoon violence or an indepth explanations of breeding. Or if they bring back the Game Corners that were "ruining childrens' minds and filling them with thoughts of gambling"

...You're trying to be funny, right? Not to be rude, but I personally have difficulty telling sometimes...

I suppose there are a few people out there who want T or M rated pokemon games, but it's definitely safer for them to stay E rated. Over the years, they have done a very good job at making pokemon a very kid friendly game, and making something rated T or M(especially M) would hurt pokemon's reputation, especially if they did this a lot. In the long run, I think it'd hurt them more then help.

Most teenagers or adults would probably avoid a "childish" game like pokemon, and most of it's fans are kids. Then, you've got the older fans, and some of us, like myself, prefer the childish feeling of the game. In the end, I don't think this hypothetical game will make all that much money either, or at least not as much as another E rated one....You're trying to be funny, right? Not to be rude, but I personally have difficulty telling sometimes...

Well the first part with violence and breeding was half serious. It's not impossible for it to exist, but it would go against everything that makes Pokemon what it is so I don't see it happening ever.

As for the game corner, it was sarcasm. It's just annoying to me because the children of those parents complaining about it are probably out there right now playing COD/Halo or doing actual bad things. I have family like that haha

The casino/gambling wasn't taken out do to "parent's complaining." It is because the European version of the ratings board that does video games was going to give them the equivalent of "PG". That's why Game Corner was only taken out in European release, completely replaced by Voltorb Flip in international versions of HGSS, and completely gone in gen 5.

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The pokedex entries imply that the Vanillite line are made of snow and ice rather than ice cream. I don't think ice cream is made from bathing icicles in the sun. Vanilluxe makes snow clouds out of that straw, if it was ice cream wouldn't it be ice cream clouds?

It only looks like ice cream. It's really a mutated icicle that cloaks itself in snow. The resemblance is supposed to be mere coincidence (although the Vanillite line is presumably the in-universe inspiration for ice cream in the Pokemon world, since Casteliacones are based off of it and not the other way around).

Originally Posted by Lord Zoroark

Listen, you gotta remember these things; always avoid claims of Fennekin being (or becoming) part Fighting-type, don't tick off mods, and NEVER (and I mean NEVER!) suggest that Arceus is the God of Pokemon when Endolise is online. If you somehow make this mistake, run for the hills before he attempts to murder you via tongue lashing.

I still play PKMN no matter how rating it is, but now its weird that they mention that someone dies in the game or the PKMN eat people...that's like really weird o.o Plus i hardly played the gambling thing so I don't really care for the PG thing, nya~

You're most likely refer to the darker story plot I bet. True. The beginning of 3rd Generation would be where dark plots are being represented that raises issues (even in the earlier gens as well, though there aren't a lot analyzing it excluding the older players)