Being in Europe is great for the fans with trips away, but I dont think it would do the team any good. We need a bigger, top quality squad to do a Europa campaign justice. Another season to build up to this will be better Imo.

Rubbish. We're not a top 4 side who would view the Europa League as an inconvenience in a push for the title. We've spent the past few years in the wilderness, playing games in Europe and a chance to win another bit of silverware is what we're all in football for.

its hard - with all these small teams getting this far my heart wants them to win

I mean how amazing would it be if Sutton United with their small ground and tremendous goalkeeper beat Arsenal

That would still leave a favourable draw for us as one of the non-league sides would go out in the semis and also have the benefit of seeing Arsenal in meltdown which might spread to their league form.

Rather we get into Europe by the front door than just skulking around the back entrance waiting for someone to fuck up and sneak through like some desperado. Yeah it's fine if we do, the rules are set out for everybody but it should only be a reward for teams who win things or try and win things and come close to it at least.

Finishing 7th and getting a reward for it is a bit pathetic really.

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There are only two things I can't stand in this world. People who are intolerant of other people's cultures... and the Dutch.

Rather we get into Europe by the front door than just skulking around the back entrance waiting for someone to fuck up and sneak through like some desperado. Yeah it's fine if we do, the rules are set out for everybody but it should only be a reward for teams who win things or try and win things and come close to it at least.

Rather we get into Europe by the front door than just skulking around the back entrance waiting for someone to fuck up and sneak through like some desperado. Yeah it's fine if we do, the rules are set out for everybody but it should only be a reward for teams who win things or try and win things and come close to it at least.

Finishing 7th and getting a reward for it is a bit pathetic really.

What's the cut off for a reward then?

Using your logic only first would be winning then? The rest are simply losers?

Rather we get into Europe by the front door than just skulking around the back entrance waiting for someone to fuck up and sneak through like some desperado. Yeah it's fine if we do, the rules are set out for everybody but it should only be a reward for teams who win things or try and win things and come close to it at least.

Finishing 7th and getting a reward for it is a bit pathetic really.

Is it? 3 cups? 3 European places and everyone else is beaten about the ass and thighs with sticks then?

Nope just an opinion. I'd rather we qualify by achieving something ourselves than through others failures myself.

Given that football is a zero-sum competitive game, the two are the exact same thing.

Every single game we win is through the failure of the opposition, and we can only win anything if everyone else fails to do so.

(If I was a better man, I probably wouldn't mention here that just the other day you defended vigorously a club that considers a 4th place finish, and thus qualifying to the CL, equivalent to a trophy. But I'm not, so I do.)