would a semi auto config with a ten round magazine with bullet button be legal? Or would it have to be fixed mag, top loader?

They are both legal and considered the same. Both are fixed 10 round mag pistols. You must use a mag lock on these if they are going to be semi auto. Semi-auto with a detachable magazine located outside of the pistol grip is a CA assault weapon. Must also not exceed 10 rounds for the magazine.

Dayamn! What a fireball! I like it. Can't wait to shoot mine. I should have known you already had one. Nice set up.

Thanks, bros. Cool thing is that although you have to snuggle up real close to the sight, there is very little recoil. So little, you don't have to worry about hitting the rear sight or the charging handle...hehehe...fun times! Let us know how yours works out with some pics! Take care, bros!

Thanks, bros. Cool thing is that although you have to snuggle up real close to the sight, there is very little recoil. So little, you don't have to worry about hitting the rear sight or the charging handle...hehehe...fun times! Let us know how yours works out with some pics! Take care, bros!

I was going to get the very short pistol buffer tube for looks, but I like your version for ease of shooting. Now I can't decide. This bad boy is just under 6 pounds loaded without optics and about 6.5 pounds with the red dot sight. I've been taking supplements and hitting the gym preparing to go shoot this thing weaver style. I thought my Desert Eagle was heavy.

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It was nice meeting you, too. Yeah, I brought a couple of family/friends along to shoot maybe 5-6 firearms that nite and so far the AR pistol was their favorite. Now some of their friends want to tag along next time to give it a go...fun times. Maybe I'll catch you there again soon. Take care & safe shooting.

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No issues. I was advised by a couple of arf.com builders to make sure to use a heavy buffer. The upper was built by Spike's Tactical. Prior to purchasing it, I asked Angela what Spike thought about the GSE Buffer tube set. (It can be found here: http://www.gunsmokeenterprises.net/A..._Kits_GSE.html). I figured I'd ask since both companies were in Florida and since she was familiar with their stuff. And, she said that it was a hit or miss. They did some testing with a variety of pistol uppers with the GSE short buffer set as they were hoping to use it as part of their kit packages, but it would work on some and some not. As a result, I went the safe route and went with the car tube and heavy buffer. By the way, would you want some foam padding for your buffer tube? I've got some extra. It does wonders if you decide that you wanna shoot it like a rifle instead of a pistol. I got the foam padding from a friend of mine in Maine, who owns a plant that makes them. I told him about my build and he sent me some high quality low rise rubber foam to cover up the buffer tube. I've got three choices. I could send you all three to try out to see what's to your liking. All you gotta do is remove the end cap, "lub the tube, and slip it on." It's low enough to clear the charging hand and it beats cheeking up to the metal and hearing the boing. PM me if you want it and I'll be glad to send it over, bros.

We've discussed a lot about CA laws, so lets talk about Federal laws.
For you fellow calgunners who are interested in getting an AR pistol, here are some rules to follow so that you do not violate Federal NFA laws.

If you don't already have an AR pistol receiver, but do have AR rifles/receivers, DO NOT HAVE AN AR PISTOL UPPER OR BARREL LESS THAN 16in SHIPPED TO YOU. You'll need to supply a pistol upper to complete the pistol for DROS, so to avoid danger have it shipped directly to your dealer.
If you don't have any AR rifles or receivers, you should be OK. Having an AR rifle with possession of an AR pistol upper or an AR barrel less than 16 inches is considered constructive possession of a short barreled rifle unless you also have an AR pistol receiver.

If you do not own any AR rifles/receivers, once you have your AR pistol, if you happen to be in possession of an AR butt stock without the rifle (16in barrel) upper, it is considered constructive possession of a short barreled rifle.

If you do own AR rifles and you take possession of your AR pistol, you can be in possession of butt stocks because they are spare parts for your AR rifle.

I think you're wrong. The letter specifically states, "...possessing a rifle buttstock that could readily be installed on your pistol could constitute possession of a short barreled rifle."

Installing a stock onto your car buffer tube requires no tools, and can be done quite easily. I'd reconsider using it. I think your playing with fire.

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I think you're wrong. The letter specifically states, "...possessing a rifle buttstock that could readily be installed on your pistol could constitute possession of a short barreled rifle."

Installing a stock onto your car buffer tube requires no tools, and can be done quite easily. I'd reconsider using it. I think your playing with fire.

Yes, you could be if you can't explain what the extra butt stock is for. It's the same thing for the Glock carbine kits. The stock just attaches to the Glock's extra grip well, after you install the 16in barrel. However, I will go the extra mile and buy a pistol tube. By the way, even with the pistol tubes, you can still slip on an A1 or A2 stock.

Yes, you could be if you can't explain what the extra butt stock is for. It's the same thing for the Glock carbine kits. The stock just attaches to the Glock's extra grip well, after you install the 16in barrel. However, I will go the extra mile and buy a pistol tube. By the way, even with the pistol tubes, you can still slip on an A1 or A2 stock.

The pistol buffer tube differs from the entry length buffer tube by not having the end threaded to accept a mounting screw.

Aditionally the foam sleve, when installed, prevents the buffer tube from being able to be inserted even accidentally into any form of rifle stock. (ace was a bit parinod about that apperently)

I've seen some guys wrap paracord over CAR stock buffer tubes to achieve the same effect.... constructive posession is alot harder to run afoul of with a pistol than with a rifle, but it can still be done.

I have AR rifles, so i can't buy a pistol upper and have it shipped to my house right? When i DROS the pistol AR it has to be complete (as seen in all of these beautiful pics) right?
so there is no buy the recievers and then parts kits, buffer tube, uppers, mags etc later right? All in one shot.

sorry for sounding new to this. i don't have the cash to drop down on a complete one, but would like to get this started.

great Info guys, Thanks for the time posting up your knowledge also.
A quick re-cap for me.
Get OLL DROSed as a pistol
Call AR 15 barrels or M24 have them make pistol upper
Install maglock with 10 rounder
Never install a stock
I think this is it but how can I get a pistol upper sent to me? wouldnt that be a SBR? or is it the case of its not a gun untill its put together. And as long as its put together the correct way Im good to go?
Like I said before I love this web-site and the people that help newbis like me.

We are going to start building these in approx. 2 weeks, just waiting on some 10.5" barrels to arrive.

We are also looking at possibly building a 7.5" barreled version, but that is going to take some time to develop.

Im curious, how much would the 7.5" (if possible) be going for?? That is too sweet....

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is really doubt its the same as a ak pistol where you HAVE to build from a flat...what type of lower do you use? one that says multi ? ive heard that that some say pistol ? are they more expensive? can i use a regular lower ? thanks!

is really doubt its the same as a ak pistol where you HAVE to build from a flat...what type of lower do you use? one that says multi ? ive heard that that some say pistol ? are they more expensive? can i use a regular lower ? thanks!

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stop looking to the internet to tell you everything you should do.....sack up and just do what you want!!!!!