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"The question of Revenue we will now briefly consider. For several years past, the revenues of the Government have been unequal to its expenditures, and consequently, loan after loan, sometimes directly, and sometimes indirectly in form, have been resorted to. By this means a new National debt, has been created, and is still growing on us with a rapidity fearful to contemplate---a rapidity only reasonably to be expected in time of war. This state of things has been produced by a prevailing unwillingness, either to increase the tariff, or resort to direct taxation. But the one or the other must come. Coming expenditures must be met, and the present debt must be paid; and money cannot always be borrowed for these objects. The system of loans is but temporary in its nature, and must soon explode. It is a system, not only ruinous while it lasts, but one that must soon fail and leave us destitute. As an individual who undertakes to live by borrowing, soon finds his original means devoured by interest, and next no one left to borrow from---so must it be with a government."-- Abraham Lincoln

If there is a dangerous forum ... that's the one. -- LWW (referring to BD NPR)

Want to know what a 100% voluntary wealth redistribution plan would look like? Well its already going on in cities all over America. Every day thousands of people beg for pennies on the street, and people voluntarily give them a few coins. See, voluntary wealth redistribution works, if you give people choice, they will voluntarily choose to give poor people just enough money to keep them from starving to death, but not much more. The poor could make a few pennies each day, buy a hot dog for dinner, and then sleep under a bridge, it would save millions in tax dollars. Now I know that it may seem harsh that the poor would be forced to beg for charity and will ultimately end up with substantially less in such a "voluntary" society. But, if you think that libertarians actually give a rat's arse about the well-being of the poor then you really don't understand libertarianism.

If there is a dangerous forum ... that's the one. -- LWW (referring to BD NPR)