FEMA removed all evidence from the scenes and by wreckage, I mean the actual airplane debris. There was none at the Pentagon, which leads me to question if it was not either a small, bomb-laden plane (either radio or self-guided) or just a cruise missile. Not to call into doubt your friend, but the facts show that the flight path to the Pentagon went over a major highway and should have had some impact on the cars, but did not. Also, the FBI took all footage of the planes approach to the Pentagon. So, that says volumes to me.

As for the Twin Towers and WTC 7, where are the wings? Engines! My God, one thing that should have been found intact were those giant engines. Just seems really questionable to me. I could be nuts, but this I just can't get over the lacking evidence and quick clean-up work.

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By now the wreckage has been cleaned up. As for the Pentagon, I will trust my friend's eyewitness account of WATCHING the plane hit the building. A couple months later I visited my friend and I saw the Pentagon's wreckage. While it's damage wasn't as bad as the WTC, it was still pretty massive. Not surprisingly, though, the military had fixed it up pretty good within a few months (not surprising because it is the headquarters of our armed forces).

FEMA removed all evidence from the scenes and by wreckage, I mean the actual airplane debris. There was none at the Pentagon, which leads me to question if it was not either a small, bomb-laden plane (either radio or self-guided) or just a cruise missile. Not to call into doubt your friend, but the facts show that the flight path to the Pentagon went over a major highway and should have had some impact on the cars, but did not. Also, the FBI took all footage of the planes approach to the Pentagon. So, that says volumes to me.

As for the Twin Towers and WTC 7, where are the wings? Engines! My God, one thing that should have been found intact were those giant engines. Just seems really questionable to me. I could be nuts, but this I just can't get over the lacking evidence and quick clean-up work.

What part of "my friend saw the plane as it went towards the Pentagon" are you failing to comprehend? As for your other contention; a plane going as fast as the ones that hit the towers would have been almost completely incinerated upon EXPLODING when the fuel tanks erupted. If you know anything about jet fuel, it has a habit of becoming extremely volatile when it explodes (think of what happened to the shuttle Challenger; not much of it survived---very similar).

Your friend is not what I consider a reliable source. Sorry. I have seen plenty of footage of plane crashes where the fuel has gone up and plenty of wreckage has remained. Jet fuel burns fast, but not long. It would not have disintigrated the entire plane including its engines. Challenger is not a Boeing 757/767.

Sometimes, these things just don't add up. I may be a loon with a tinfoil hat, but we cannot ignore the fact there are some discrepancies.

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What part of "my friend saw the plane as it went towards the Pentagon" are you failing to comprehend? As for your other contention; a plane going as fast as the ones that hit the towers would have been almost completely incinerated upon EXPLODING when the fuel tanks erupted. If you know anything about jet fuel, it has a habit of becoming extremely volatile when it explodes (think of what happened to the shuttle Challenger; not much of it survived---very similar).

Anyone that seriously doubts that planes hit the WTC is in a fantasy world. There is simply not enough proof to convince those that will not see. Thousands witnessed the incident, the second plane was filmed live, this disbelief is amazing, simply amazing.

Your friend is not what I consider a reliable source. Sorry. I have seen plenty of footage of plane crashes where the fuel has gone up and plenty of wreckage has remained. Jet fuel burns fast, but not long. It would not have disintigrated the entire plane including its engines. Challenger is not a Boeing 757/767.

Sometimes, these things just don't add up. I may be a loon with a tinfoil hat, but we cannot ignore the fact there are some discrepancies.

This is going to be blunt: You are an idiot if you honestly believe that. You are willing to believe some hack's speculations and paranoid delusions over the eyewitness accounts of thousands (not to mention the millions who saw the 2nd plane live on TV). Perhaps, this makes perfect sense in the bizarro world that you seem to live in, but in the real world that me and my friend (who you dismiss as an unreliable source even though he witnessed the event PERSONALLY), it happened and anyone who says otherwise is just a fool.

Think what you want. I can watch TV and see a lot of things, that doesn't make them all real. I doubt the official story, is that so bad? The evidence does not add up to support the Government's story in my opinion. What really happened, I am unsure. The Planes may well have hit, or we may have been duped. The Gov't is capable of some clever tricks, but the lengths at which they went with 9/11 is questionable. Some of those facts make a lot of sense. Of course, I cannot offer my own timeline of what I think happened, I just reserve doubt in the official account.

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This is going to be blunt: You are an idiot if you honestly believe that. You are willing to believe some hack's speculations and paranoid delusions over the eyewitness accounts of thousands (not to mention the millions who saw the 2nd plane live on TV). Perhaps, this makes perfect sense in the bizarro world that you seem to live in, but in the real world that me and my friend (who you dismiss as an unreliable source even though he witnessed the event PERSONALLY), it happened and anyone who says otherwise is just a fool.

Whoa! Way to qualify a statement with fact! We do not all need to agree on this topic, because we all see things differently. You seem to want to believe the media - by all means go ahead. That to me is blinding your eyes to the truth. See how that works? Next time be constructive.

Whoa! Way to qualify a statement with fact! We do not all need to agree on this topic, because we all see things differently. You seem to want to believe the media - by all means go ahead. That to me is blinding your eyes to the truth. See how that works? Next time be constructive.

Life must be really nice when you can close your eyes and selectively choose your own reality. Next, you're going to try to convince everyone that Hitler is still alive or is cryogenically frozen and that we never used the A-Bomb on Japan. Get a grip on reality before you make all of us look like idiots because we subscribe to the same chatboard.