"An event unprecedented in human history is today" - Methane gas at record highs

Re: "An event unprecedented in human history is today" - Methane gas at record highs

So lets say yes it is contriversal. However if were wrong, everyone on the planet is affected. If the deniers are right we saved money by not paying carbon emissions or taking steps to exchange haphazadous companies into building green frendly products.:?

Id rather that the companies killing the planet potentially) get back on track and make good on what they have been promissing all along

Re: "An event unprecedented in human history is today" - Methane gas at record highs

Geo-engineering hegelian dialectic:Experiment on the weather through secret geo-engineering program, fuck up the weather/natural cycles system so badly, cause methane reliese,sell the geo-engineering program to the stupid public as a our savour to save us from the methane doom. Public acceptance of geo-engineering as everyday afair. Problem solved

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1602746

Could be. I think maybe though: - Try and combat methane, kill plantlife with toxins, reduce oxygen output and quality of life of humans. Fail.

Arrogant useless bastards. I am sick and tired of the 'we know best' attitude, because it is CLEARLY not the case.

PLEASE STOP SPRAYING THIS SHIT. IT IS CAUSING MORE HARM THAN GOOD. IT IS OUR PLANET TOO YOU IDIOTS! TELL EVERYONE THE PROBLEM AND LET US DEAL. IF WE HAVE TO CHANGE OUR HABITS TOMORROW TO SAVE THE EARTH YOU MIGHT BE SURPRISED WHEN WE DO. THIS IS ABOUT THE SURVIVAL OF YOUR CHILDREN AS WELL AS OURS!!!! &#9825;

Re: "An event unprecedented in human history is today" - Methane gas at record highs

According to science, this planet has been around for 4 billion years. In that time, earth has experienced several climate shifts. Does it make the slightest sense at all that 150 years of oil and coal burning will end life on the planet as we know it? What utter horseshit. Just like gun regulation, it's another form of manipulation and control. Give up your freedoms for the greater good. Give up your right to self defense. Give up your right to move freely about in your own car. Ride an electric bus or a fucking bicycle. Well fuck that. These assholes can all go take a flying fucking dive into a ravine of rusty fence posts.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25989455

I'm sorry, but we are at peak CO2 and peak methane. 50M tons of methane have been released by the Eastern Ice Shelf ALONE. With this added methane, and the loss of the ice to cool the planet, you will have a runaway heat feedback loop.

The evidence is there (you can verify it with simple experiments). It does not matter whether you 'believe' or not. You can stand infront of a speeding train and 'believe' it wont kill you as much as like. Facts are facts.

So what you, Al Gore, and the other thoroughly discredited data manipulators think is that 4000000000 Years of volcanos, earthquakes, sea level rises and falls, asteroids, and assorted sun activity are TRUMPED by 150 years of oil and coal burning? Do you ACTUALLY believe that steaming pile of crap?[/quote]

Re: "An event unprecedented in human history is today" - Methane gas at record highs

Abrupt climate change just around the corner peeps. Looks like the whole Arctic ice sheet is on the move and breaking up early:

March 22, 2013 video of Arctic ice breaking, cracks and on the move: [link to youtu.be]

Paul Beckwith, climatologist studying abrupt climate change: "For the record; I do not think that any sea ice will survive this summer. An event unprecedented in human history is today, this very moment, transpiring in the Arctic Ocean. The cracks in the sea ice that I reported on my Sierra Club Canada blog and elsewhere over the last several days have spread and at this moment the entire sea ice sheet (or about 99% of it) covering the Arctic Ocean is on the move. Clockwise. The ice is thin, and slushy, and breaking apart."

Beckwith goes on to say, "This is abrupt climate change in real-time. Humans have benefited greatly from a stable climate for the last 11,000 years or roughly 400 generations. Not any more. We now face an angry climate. One that we have poked in the eye with our fossil fuel stick and awakened. And now we must deal with the consequences. We must set aside our differences and prepare for what we can no longer avoid. And that is massive disruption to our civilizations."

(from Part-time professor and climatologist Paul Beckwith)

Record Methane in Arctic early March 2013:"Methane levels for this period are at record highs in the Barents and Norwegian Seas, i.e. the highest levels ever recorded by IASI, which is is short for Infrared Atmospheric Sounding Interferometer, a Fourier transform spectrometer on board the European EUMETSAT Metop satellite that has supplied data since 2007." [link to arctic-news.blogspot.co.uk]

"This has the potential to release vast quantities of methane trapped by ice below the surface - billions of tonnes of methane. World-wide, peat bogs store at least two trillion tons of CO2. This is equivalent to a century of emissions from fossil fuels." [link to www.examiner.com]

This my friend, is the REAL REASON DHS ordered all those bullets. We are living on our own self-induced asteroid. Don't need to worry about what's incoming but rather what we are currently standing on.

Quoting: Climate Change Watcher 844118

Isaias (Isaiah) 13:9 Behold, the day of the Lord shall come, a cruel day, and full of indignation, and of wrath, and fury, to lay the land desolate, and to destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

Apocalypse (Revelation) 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, they shall have their portion in the pool burning with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.

John 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and he stood not in the truth; because truth is not in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof.

Leviticus 18: [24] Defile not yourselves with any of these things with which all the nations have been defiled, which I will cast out before you, [25] And with which the land is defiled: the abominations of which I will visit, that it may vomit out its inhabitants.

[26] Keep ye my ordinances and my judgments, and do not any of these abominations: neither any of your own nation, nor any stranger that sojourneth among you. [27] For all these detestable things the inhabitants of the land have done, that; were before you, and have defiled it. [28] Beware then, lest in like manner, it vomit you also out, if you do the like things, as it vomited out the nation that was before you.

[29] Every soul that shall commit any of these abominations, shall perish from the midst of his people. [30] Keep my commandments. Do not the things which they have done, that have been before you, and be not defiled therein. I am the Lord your God.

Ezechiel (Ezeckiel) 20:[46] Son of man, set thy face against the way of the south, and drop towards the south, and prophesy against the forest of the south field. [47] And say to the south forest: Hear the word of the Lord: Thus saith the Lord God: Behold I will kindle a fire in thee, and will burn in thee every green tree, and every dry tree: the flame of the fire shall not be quenched: and every face shall be burned in it, from the south even to the north. [48] And all flesh shall see, that I the Lord have kindled it, and it shall not be quenched.

Re: "An event unprecedented in human history is today" - Methane gas at record highs

----------------------------------------"Beckwith goes on to say, "This is abrupt climate change in real-time. Humans have benefited greatly from a stable climate for the last 11,000 years or roughly 400 generations. Not any more."-------------------------------------------

A stable climate for the last 11,000 years? Really? That's quite a blanket statement, leaving out the obvious Medieval Warm Period when the Vikings were farming on Greenland, and making a huge assumption about the rest of that global 11,000 years. Wonder what definition of a "stable climate" he used when he made that very broad proclamation? I'm not buying it.

I do however believe that we had an unusual period of stability in North America in the years of the mid twentieth century, and that people have such tunnel vision that they think everything is always supposed to be like that everywhere.

---------------------------------------"We now face an angry climate. One that we have poked in the eye with our fossil fuel stick and awakened."--------------------------------------------

I like poetic language in the sciences, but for a guy trying to convince us how this is all hard cold facts, he could leave out the stuff that makes him look like a follower of some primitive religious cult.

---------------------------------------------"And now we must deal with the consequences. We must set aside our differences and prepare for what we can no longer avoid. And that is massive disruption to our civilizations."

Think about what's implied in that statement, "We must set aside our differences" EVERYTHING is implied in that statement. That's been used by every totalitarian government, every repressive organized church, every fascist regime. To quote Monty Python "Now we see the violence inherent in the system!"

Re: "An event unprecedented in human history is today" - Methane gas at record highs

I heard a professor in an interview who says humanity has passed the point of no return. He believes at this point it doesn't matter what we do. Humans will be extinct in a relatively short time.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36807475

We are, "The Human Race that is", a mostly "reacitve" life form. We are very rarely, or at least not enough of us to do any real good ever "pro-active" on any scale. Sure we prepare for devistation, but we rarely prevent it. That is the most sad state of affairs. I believe that the Human race will carry on, possibly not as thriving as we are today, but will carry on non-the-less. What bothers me the most is how evil Humans can be when left to their own devices.

I hate to think that my children may have to grow up in this type of environment. I for one, will leave the population centers and live from the land, as peacefully and prosperously as possible. Hopefully, "in my area" there are others that are like-minded on this subject. For when the time does come, I do hope that there are other "families" that will follow us and live peacefully, but prepared.

Semper Fi

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote" ~ Benjamin Franklin.

Re: "An event unprecedented in human history is today" - Methane gas at record highs

According to science, this planet has been around for 4 billion years. In that time, earth has experienced several climate shifts. Does it make the slightest sense at all that 150 years of oil and coal burning will end life on the planet as we know it? What utter horseshit. Just like gun regulation, it's another form of manipulation and control. Give up your freedoms for the greater good. Give up your right to self defense. Give up your right to move freely about in your own car. Ride an electric bus or a fucking bicycle. Well fuck that. These assholes can all go take a flying fucking dive into a ravine of rusty fence posts.

Re: "An event unprecedented in human history is today" - Methane gas at record highs

Sorry, even with this so called dire threat, I am not buying that only fossil fuels are responsible for this. This has been happening long before we were driving cars and using oil. Its a cycle that far exceeds our short concept of time.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32719838

These people are idiots or gov agents, I don't see why they are allowed on this site....I guess even Nazix are allowed to speak there.

Re: "An event unprecedented in human history is today" - Methane gas at record highs

Sorry, even with this so called dire threat, I am not buying that only fossil fuels are responsible for this. This has been happening long before we were driving cars and using oil. Its a cycle that far exceeds our short concept of time.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32719838

These people are idiots or gov agents, I don't see why they are allowed on this site....I guess even Nazix are allowed to speak there.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36963015

I'm not an idiot, a government agent or a Nazi, and I agree with the guy who says he doesn't believe fossil fuels are 100 percent responsible for changes in the weather.

Re: "An event unprecedented in human history is today" - Methane gas at record highs

Geo-engineering hegelian dialectic:Experiment on the weather through secret geo-engineering program, fuck up the weather/natural cycles system so badly, cause methane reliese,sell the geo-engineering program to the stupid public as a our savour to save us from the methane doom. Public acceptance of geo-engineering as everyday afair. Problem solved

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1602746

Could be. I think maybe though: - Try and combat methane, kill plantlife with toxins, reduce oxygen output and quality of life of humans. Fail.

Arrogant useless bastards. I am sick and tired of the 'we know best' attitude, because it is CLEARLY not the case.

PLEASE STOP SPRAYING THIS SHIT. IT IS CAUSING MORE HARM THAN GOOD. IT IS OUR PLANET TOO YOU IDIOTS! TELL EVERYONE THE PROBLEM AND LET US DEAL. IF WE HAVE TO CHANGE OUR HABITS TOMORROW TO SAVE THE EARTH YOU MIGHT BE SURPRISED WHEN WE DO. THIS IS ABOUT THE SURVIVAL OF YOUR CHILDREN AS WELL AS OURS!!!! &#9825;

Re: "An event unprecedented in human history is today" - Methane gas at record highs

Serious question OP. What are we supposed to do about this? In a perfect world what is the rational course of action here?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36807475

First you would have to know the real record to establish a base line. At the time the Romans occupied England they had vineyards around Manchester. Waaaaay too cold for that now so what really is warmed? They burned the forests in England making glass for windows. Didn't need them before.

I am more concerned about O2 levels. Our O2 comes from the oceans. The oxygen made by land plants is about matched by the oxygen used in weathering rock. Humans get in trouble below 20% and it is 21% now. I suspect the first signs will be observed in tourists visiting mountain sites in Peru, if its not already.

Re: "An event unprecedented in human history is today" - Methane gas at record highs

Sorry, even with this so called dire threat, I am not buying that only fossil fuels are responsible for this. This has been happening long before we were driving cars and using oil. Its a cycle that far exceeds our short concept of time.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32719838

These people are idiots or gov agents, I don't see why they are allowed on this site....I guess even Nazix are allowed to speak there.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36963015

I'm not an idiot, a government agent or a Nazi, and I agree with the guy who says he doesn't believe fossil fuels are 100 percent responsible for changes in the weather.

Re: "An event unprecedented in human history is today" - Methane gas at record highs

Sorry, even with this so called dire threat, I am not buying that only fossil fuels are responsible for this. This has been happening long before we were driving cars and using oil. Its a cycle that far exceeds our short concept of time.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32719838

These people are idiots or gov agents, I don't see why they are allowed on this site....I guess even Nazix are allowed to speak there.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36963015

I'm not an idiot, a government agent or a Nazi, and I agree with the guy who says he doesn't believe fossil fuels are 100 percent responsible for changes in the weather.