I can see what you're saying, Pr0ner, but TiLT's point is that most would disagree with you, and I think the Google link does sort of show that.

I also wouldn't go dropping the ignorance bomb about this.

In fact, my daughter has a very learned cello teacher who just yesterday pointed me to something she wrote that talks about performing Stravinsky, but imagining TIE Fighters during the Dance of the Earth section. I brought up Holst and mentioned that he sounded a lot like Williams, and she said that Williams sounded a lot like Holst.

If you need further proof, let me just point out that I am agreeing with TiLT. That alone should be proof.

I know all movie score composers borrow. They borrow from other composers, and they borrow from themselves. I know this more than most, as my several hundred CD soundtrack collection attests. Yet, their music has an identity, a voice, that is THEIR OWN.

Star Wars may owe something to Holst. But it sounds like Williams, not Holst.

I don't know how much you know about orchestration, the art of arranging and combining the instruments of an orchestra to produce a specific sound. What you may or may not be aware of is that most of what you hear in orchestral music, even if it sounds like only a single instrument playing, is actually a layered performance by several different instruments playing on top of each other to complement and expand the final sound. There's a large difference between a trumpet playing solo, and a trumpet playing along with a flute, even though most people would never be able to recognize the flute's presence in the latter. These layers can become rather complex, combining brass, strings, woodwinds and even percussion in a rich sound palette that sounds much simpler than it really is. This layering is where the magic in orchestral music happens.

The "sound" a composer produces is very much based on how he layers these instruments. Specific ways to combine and use them becomes that composer's "signature" and the easiest way to recognize his work. John Williams' work, and particularly what he did for Star Wars and Superman, doesn't just borrow the themes from Gustav Holst's The Planets suite; It also borrows the orchestral layers, and this is what I'm talking about when I say he took his "sound" from Holst. The way Holst layered his instruments was stunningly unique, and John Williams took those layers and made them his own much, much later.

You may not think the two sound alike, and that is your opinion. You can't ask me to argue against your opinion. That's just nonsensical. All I can do is point to the technical foundation for Williams' music, which lies most heavily in his use of layers.

I know I saw a YouTube video a few years ago that compared many pieces of the Star Wars score to The Planets, but I can't find it any more. It was probably taken down because of copyright. The closest thing I could find right now is this, but that compares Williams to far more than just Gustav Holst. It's interesting nevertheless.

cool stuff,so just Mark Hamill to go for the main three(and confirmation on Harrison Ford would be nice)

I still want Billy Dee 'Cool side of the pillow' Williams to be in there as well

I am guessing Kenny Baker,Anthony Daniels and Peter Mayhew will reprise their roles as R2,3PO and Chewie(although they are all getting on a bit now,Kenny Baker is 78,Anthony Daniels is 67 and Peter Meyhew is 68..and last i heard,everyone hates Anthony Daniels,LOL)

Here's my take: She wasn't kidding (well, about the 'yes'), but the ink on the deal isn't dry yet. Probably hasn't even been put to paper yet. Statements like that mess up the negotiations, thus the retraction.

Alternately, they asked, but since no one knows what's going on with the script yet, they don't even know if they're going to use her or not.

One time Harvey Dent Billy Dee Williams' most famous role remains that of Lando Calrissian, and given that it seems many Star Wars cast alumni are being re-recruited for Episode VII, it was always possible that he might be asked back to.

Turns out that he has been. Film Buff reports that Williams appeared at New Jersey-based Monster Mania convention that took place last weekend, and was asked whether he was set to appear in Star Wars: Episode VII. As the site reports, "Billy Dee said he has been asked, but he hasn't decided if is going to do it or not yet". The site notes that just a week or so before, Williams had said that he hadn't been contacted about the movie, so it looks as if things have started to fall into place over the past days.

I hope it doesn't come off tacky. We know Harrison Ford can still hold his own, but I don't know if I want to see fat Leia running around and Mark Hamill hasn't done live action in decades. I would have been fine with the movie starting at Luke's funeral or something.

I hope it doesn't come off tacky. We know Harrison Ford can still hold his own, but I don't know if I want to see fat Leia running around and Mark Hamill hasn't done live action in decades. I would have been fine with the movie starting at Luke's funeral or something.

I personally don't think Harrison has held his own for a decade, so I don't think we know even that for sure.

I hope it doesn't come off tacky. We know Harrison Ford can still hold his own, but I don't know if I want to see fat Leia running around and Mark Hamill hasn't done live action in decades. I would have been fine with the movie starting at Luke's funeral or something.

Carrie Fisher actually lost a bunch of weight not too long ago (though keep in mind this is a publicity "After" photo, so your reality may vary):

Chatting to MTV, he was asked about whether he was interested in reprising the role of Han Solo in Star Wars or Deckard in Blade Runner. Ford said that " It might be nice, depending on the circumstances, to revisit any one of those characters. What interests me now is the opportunity to work at all and to work in ambitious projects. What I'm looking for is the next opportunity, the next ambitious opportunity. It doesn't matter if it's one of those. If it's one of those, great. If it's not, that's fine too".

Ford also downplayed his critical comments of George Lucas in the past, arguing "that was then, this is now. It doesn't matter".

I forgot all about the BladeRunner 2 rumours...surprising however to hear Ford say it might be nice to reprise Deckard,even if him and Scott are now friends(but then again,we know there were arguments,does that mean they were no longer friends then?)

and Ian McDiarmid on whether he would..or could be involved in Star Wars again

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Ian McDiarmid has been chatting to Sci-Fi Now about returning to Star Wars, and while he's admitted that he's not expecting to turn up in the new trilogy (mainly because of the fate Emperor Palpatine met at the end of Return Of The Jedi), that doesn't mean that the door is closed to the franchise's world for him. "They've got lots of exciting ideas for spin-offs about separate characters and so on, and then there is the television series which George has talked about and decided to make into being for a number of years, and that takes place between Episodes III and IV when the Emperor is very much alive. So I think [the Emperor] probably does have a future".

For a moment i imagined a Ghost Emperor being the bad guy in VII

good call on the spin off's,if they really are about certain character's past,it would make sense to involve the Emperor again somewhere in there,but i can't see a spin off based on the Emperor himself

Warwick played Wicket The Ewok in Return of the Jedi and the Ewok movies and Wald in The Phantom Menace,as well as a extra in the Hutt scene at the Pod Races

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"I'm not overly keen to jump in those furry feet again, but would like to be part of it."

Davis added: "I'd love a light sabre this time, who doesn't want a light sabre? I think a darker character, someone on the dark side would be interesting. When you're an actor, the baddies are the ones people remember."

Warwick played Wicket The Ewok in Return of the Jedi and the Ewok movies and Wald in The Phantom Menace,as well as a extra in the Hutt scene at the Pod Races

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"I'm not overly keen to jump in those furry feet again, but would like to be part of it."

Davis added: "I'd love a light sabre this time, who doesn't want a light sabre? I think a darker character, someone on the dark side would be interesting. When you're an actor, the baddies are the ones people remember."

Would you like to see Warwick Davis as a Dark Jedi or Sith??

Warwick Davis as an ewok Dark Jedi! He could assemble a bunch of dark ewoks and it would be like a really scary furry convention!

on second thought, Im thinking any furry convention might be just a bit scary.

There were a number of questions for J.J. Abrams about Star Wars but he pushed those away by saying it was too early for decisions, however he did say that he expects John Williams to return and compose the score for Episode VII (something long-time Arams collaborator Michael Giacchino has said he supported).

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Disney's Lucasfilm president Kathleen Kennedy said in a statement: "We've devoted serious time and attention to revisiting the origins of Star Wars as inspiration for our process on the new movie, and I'm thrilled that returning to the UK for production and utilising the incredible talent there can be a part of that.

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"Speaking from my own long-standing connection to the UK with films like Raiders Of The Lost Ark, Empire Of The Sun and recently War Horse, it's very exciting to be heading back."

Step in the right direction?

While the first Trilogy was here,I think the prequel trilogy were based in Australia

Damon Lindelof speaks about World War Z,but also adds a paragraph at the end about Star Wars 7Den of Geek

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He also spoke of his potential involvement with Star Wars Episode VII. "When the news broke that Disney was going to do it, people were already tweeting, 'Just keep Damon Lindelof away from it.' when I saw that, I started realising that it would be a lose-lose for me in every way shape, or form".