Anyway, you'd have to make that swap based on contracts (Lowry can leave), age and talent.

But they'd ask for much much more than Lowry. Besides, the Cavs don't have to make any trades. What's Kyrie going to do? He can't leave any time soon. Is he going to refuse an extension and then take the qualifying offer? No one does that. Too much money lost, too much risk.
He'll end up taking an extension and then he's under contract till 2018 at least, possibly till 2020.

Guys I hate to burst your bubbles and I love Lowry, but if you take the question for what it is, which is would you swap those two right now, you'd have to be a vegetable not to do it. You want to say Lowry is better in every other aspect than scoring? Sure, but that's because he's twenty-seven, not twenty-one.

Really, even if we re-signed Kyle to, let's say, 4 years 44 million, I'd still take Kyrie because while we might have to pay more, he's already all-star calibre at his age and defense is something that luckily can be taught for the most part. He has scoring in spades and will develop his passing when he has teammates worth passing to.

And I'm surprised so many of you are blaming Kyrie for the poor fortunes of the Cavaliers. No dynasty team has had one player do it on his own and the Cavs have basically blanked on every pick since him and Tristan Thompson, including Dion Waiters (4th, 2012), Jared Cunningham (24th, 2012) Anthony Bennett (1st, 2013) and Sergey Karasev (19th, 2013). Just like them and the Timberwolves, they tanked properly, but chose poorly and have subsequently lost any chance they might have had to compete, let alone contend, in the next five years.

I don't blame Kyire for wanting to leave a badly managed organization. (and remember, that's the #1 reason LeBron left in the first place)

You've been riding my arse since the day I got on here with your annoying comments trying to make me look dumb.
Is that how you go through life? looking for people to make mistakes so you can point them out? Yeeesh.

AND worst of all, every single time you have been incorrect in your context and thought process.
Pretty much making things up to fit
your creepy need to put people down.
Then when I point it out,
you don't apologize or acknowledge me.

Geez, Lowry's agent would be smart to use these advanced stats during contract negotiations. But I digress.

Kyle's career is a great example of a player continually improving, and Irving has a lot of room to grow and improve - 6 years younger than Kyle. But will he become good enough to justify the max contract that somebody will assuredly throw his way? Kyrie is flashy, and still young, but Kyle will ultimately be cheaper, and his production on the court right now is much more meaningful.

Anyone who would take Lowry over Irving is seriously delusional. Sample size people. Plus the fact that Kyrie is what, 22? You put Kyrie on a good team with a good coach, and he would absolutely flourish, it's just unfortunate for him he's been brought into one of the worst organizations in basketball with an absolutely horrid Head Coach, and surrounded him with parts that don't fit, as well as players who just aren't good enough to be receiving the minutes they're currently playing in the roles they're in.

It's funny how much hype Kyrie was getting in his first 2 years, while losing, and people are blaming him NOW because of the hype of Cleveland doing everything in their power to get into the playoffs, yet in trying to do so completely failed because of failed draft picks and free agent signings.

Nothing has changed from year 1-3. Cleveland still sucks, and it's not all Kyries fault they are where they are. Has he underperformed this year, based on his expectations? Sure, but look what he has around him. Even Chris Paul would have a hard time getting that team with that coach to be better than a 5-6 seed in the East if he's lucky. I mean they had Earl Clark starting at SF for them for a good majority of the season.

Kyrie will still be an up and coming star, and potential superstar 2-3 years from now, whether he's on Cleveland or not, because he IS that good. Don't let the media hype fool you. Put him on a real team with a real coach and system and watch him flourish.

I'll take 10 great years of Kyrie rather than 5 good years of Lowry every time.

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Here's a question, who here would do a Lowry for Irving trade? Just hypothetical....
Based on current contracts? Yes.

Cleveland would hang up so quickly it'd make Masais head spin, unless of course we offered some 1st round picks and one of our young players too, which I wouldnt be against if we were able to pair Kyrie with JV.

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Based on if we know we can get lowry long term.. Not so sure. I love the defensive intensity of this team and lowry is a huge part of that. Lowry at point and amir behind him is a strongly wicked defence.

Wow. Perfect example of a fan who only thinks in the now, and is a true proponent of 'what have you done for me lately'. Talk about tunnel vision.

I really dislike his lack of defense. That's on him, not his teammates. And he is going to be looking for huge contracts in those 10 years. I'm just not sure he would be the guy to hitch the wagon to.

His defence is porous, I agree, I don't want to make any excuses for that part of his game because that's where he needs to improve the most. He's only in his 3rd year though, and there's no reason why he won't be able to improve as he gets older and gains more experience, like any other young player.

I agree that he likely wont be THE guy who leads a team to the Finals, because there's only 2 guys in the NBA that can be that guy right now, but if you surround him with a really good supporting cast, or pair him with someone on or near the same level as him, and that team will take off. He'd be worth max money IMO, as long as he isn't given the surrounding parts that Cleveland has provided him with for the past 3 years, as again, there's hardly any players that would be able to carry that amount of crap to anything.

he seems like the type of guy that would go to NY or L.A. He likes the spotlight. With that being said, he has huge potential to be a superstar and had to deal with the shitty draft picks cleveland made recently. I would def give up lowry for him if he committed here

Look at this years stats, Kyle Lowry literally beats him in EVER single category, except he gets about 17 ppg vs. Irvings 21.5
but Lowry takes about 12 shots a game while Irving takes about 19. If Lowry took the same amount of shots he would be nearer to 20 ppg. Lowry plays INCREDIBLE d, he's become a true leader, and he would cost a lot less.
Irving is injury prone and far from a proven leader in any way.

Have you watched Lowry play lately? It's 2014 bud :mattyd:

While Lowry is having a great season we all tend to forget that this is a contract year. He has been putting up big numbers and have had great games but it's not like the dude was killing it in the last 4 years or so. He was very inconsistent prior to that. Irving is younger with higher ceiling and can thrive in the right situation. I am looking at the big picture, and won't be too upset if we trade him.
Also, they are in mess for multiple reasons including drafting the wrong players, but Irving isn't one of them.
Moving forward I would have no problem doing Lowry for Irving trade.

And I don't think he will be back next year. People try to speculate the teams that are might be interested, but the bottom line is that he can sign anywhere while teams can work on traded or waive/ Amnesty players after they sign him or go into luxury tax if it's a contender. The bottom line, he is a 28 y/o free agent while Irving is 22 and hasn't even got close to reach his ceiling.

His defence is porous, I agree, I don't want to make any excuses for that part of his game because that's where he needs to improve the most. He's only in his 3rd year though, and there's no reason why he won't be able to improve as he gets older and gains more experience, like any other young player.

I agree that he likely wont be THE guy who leads a team to the Finals, because there's only 2 guys in the NBA that can be that guy right now, but if you surround him with a really good supporting cast, or pair him with someone on or near the same level as him, and that team will take off. He'd be worth max money IMO, as long as he isn't given the surrounding parts that Cleveland has provided him with for the past 3 years, as again, there's hardly any players that would be able to carry that amount of crap to anything.

The Cavaliers had a very good offseason, in adding one of the best 6th men in the NBA, and a lot of frontcourt depth and talent. They needed an infusion of talent in the frontcourt to be able to combat the inevitable injuries to Varejao, and likely many missed games from Bynum. Even if both players are out at the same time, they will now still have a solid 4 man rotation of Clark, Bennett, Thompson, and Zeller to be able to play solid extended minutes if need be. I don't think there's any doubt that this team will be in the playoffs this season with Kyrie leading the way, but their success in terms of what seed they'll be will determined by Waiters growth as a player, in my opinion, as he would make them a much better team if he would commit to the defensive side of the ball, and stop taking so many bad shots on offence. If he doesn't, I don't think Mike Brown will hesitate to play Jack 30+ minutes per game, but in doing so, Cleveland will suffer as teams will exploit their lack of height in the backcourt.

Sorry, but at the beginning it didn't seem as they C's was such an amount of crap. They have added even Deng....