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Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

Originally Posted by The Mark

Then either you're wrong about the law, or the law is wrong.

I was assuming the former, because it makes no sense.

No one yet has explained how a person can avoid a redlight ticket with certainty given you have no control over any other vehicles in front of or around you, nor any control over pedestrians or animals. Such intersections also post no signs of how long the yellow lasts or have any stop-watch display show how much time is left.

Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

I don't have a link handy, but I have read that in some jurisdictions that some people have gotten red-light tickets for making a right turn on red... and which is legal in those jurisdictions... but still couldn't get the ticket dismissed because the driver's word alone wasn't good enough.

So much for "why don't you just comply with the law".

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Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

Why not show how that is certainly possible with redlight camera systems rather than just continuously cite a slogan about what is now for some their computer-gods?

Slamming on the brakes is how to "comply with the law." Of course, all vehicles do not stop at the same rate.

Last year while in Chicago, I was sitting at an intersection waiting to turn left and of course it had those damn cameras, there was a Chicago cop are behind me. I sat through three lights because I would not change pulling into the intersection and getting caught when the light changed. After the 3rd time the officer walked to my window and asked if I was having a medical probalem. I said hell no, these damn cameras keep people from using intelligence when driving in your town. I got to go on the next light.

Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

Originally Posted by Rocketman

Last year while in Chicago, I was sitting at an intersection waiting to turn left and of course it had those damn cameras, there was a Chicago cop are behind me. I sat through three lights because I would not change pulling into the intersection and getting caught when the light changed. After the 3rd time the officer walked to my window and asked if I was having a medical probalem. I said hell no, these damn cameras keep people from using intelligence when driving in your town. I got to go on the next light.

Absolutely, the only even possible way to be CERTAIN you are not in the intersection when a light turns red is:

1. Wait until all other cars have totally cleared the intersection and no one in front of you while the light still green. Basically stop when you are the first car on green light waiting until the intersection is empty and it still green.
2. Be certain there are no pedestrians around that even MIGHT step into the intersection.
3. Basically there are no other cars at the intersection at all since you don't know if any might pull out forcing you to stop to avoid a collision.

Otherwise, a person has to do what you did. Just sit there. Basically forever.

Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

Originally Posted by joko104

Absolutely, the only even possible way to be CERTAIN you are not in the intersection when a light turns red is:

1. Wait until all other cars have totally cleared the intersection and no one in front of you while the light still green. Basically stop when you are the first car on green light waiting until the intersection is empty and it still green.
2. Be certain there are no pedestrians around that even MIGHT step into the intersection.
3. Basically there are no other cars at the intersection at all since you don't know if any might pull out forcing you to stop to avoid a collision.

Otherwise, a person has to do what you did. Just sit there. Basically forever.

yep, and every local at that intersection hates you for it. They have been programmed to accept them as part of life.

Re: Abolish Traffic Enforcement Cameras

Frankly, I have no issue with it being on their driving record. To me, it is part of the deterrent.

It is not rocket science, don't run the red light.

Learn to pay better attention.

I have to admit, I have been the victim of idiot drivers that do not seem to think the rules apply to them - so I am pretty sensitive.

Exactly,,,,,the premise of no accountability runs with the whole leftist pipe dream theory of life! Wait though,,,,,let a liberal Cop hater become the least bit offended in any way,,,,,,and they call the Cops crying! lol