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Right. In layman's terms. Not in scientific terms. In science the results Mills got where completely meaningless. You should now see why scientists scoff at Mill's. That and of course the fact that Hydrinos don't exist.

Yeah, that was what I was trying to provide an analogy to. Using a device outside the range it's calibrated for gives you results that are meaningless.

ETA: Even if the device could be calibrated to the appropriate range (and I don't know if that's the case here)

The comments about invalid spectral analyser results might or might not be valid. If the manufacturer has published data showing that the device has zero sensitivity in a particular range, that is one thing. But if the manufacturer merely states that he has only calibrated or validated the device for a specific range, then that statement would not mean the same.

See, "zero sensitivity" isn't really the problem here. If the detector simply returned zero, you wouldn't have anything to even look at.

The problem is, the sensitivity is literally undefined. We have no idea what the relationship between the reading and reality is. It could be higher, it could be lower, and it could be either of those by almost any multiplication factor, 1% off, 10%, 10000% whatever. We don't know. And there's no reason to suppose that the error is constant over time or under all conditions. And without knowing any of that, there's no way we can translate one set of readings into another in hopes of producing more accurate results.

Now, sure, maybe just by coincidence Mills bought the one meter in which the response is neither higher nor lower, it's just bang-on exactly the same as what a proper measurement would be. But how unlikely is that?

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Again the same nonsense, using circular magnets on a faraday channel shows a fundamental lack of understanding of basic MHD dynamics. Highest field line concentration will tend to be at the center of the magnets radius. Which is, as pictured, at the midpoint of the channel where ions will simply tend to gyrate. The idea is to spread the field out linearly and uniformly over the length of the channel such that the curved paths of the ions, at various speeds, tend to meet the conductive stips. With a field distribution that is also and similarly curved, (not to mention potentially crossing field reversal boundaries, within the conductive length), just means reducing or eliminating ion impacts to the conductive plates or at worst having multiple countering impacts (at the boundary transitions).

Wow, the claims don't even start until almost page 300. So, this is what BLP does instead of actually produce a working product.

The title is misleading. "Magnetohydrodynamic" is only superficially mentioned in the claims, along with "boiler" and other methods for generating power. This patent is simply a complete description of the SunCell.

Of course, we all know that a "boiler" is beyond the technical capability of BLP, or anyone else on the planet, apparently

At least the patent explains the reactants. They claim that it is a reaction between water and hydrogen, caused by their electrical arc between their molten electrodes. So, they have hydrogen (and metals) for fuel, and water for some nice hydrolysis reaction (you can watch similar things on YouTube).

I guess with the patent out, we should expect a product any day now? Oops, I forgot -- no-one can make a boiler.

Offered as proof of existence, a set of gas chromatography measurements, should be easily found at the link:
(March 1st. )
The data confirming the existence of hydrino is available at this link of today:
I am not permitted to post links to this site. Will this work?
(https, remove between commas, ://) Brilliantlightpower , remove spaces, commas etc, put a dot here, com/news/

We can supply hydrino bound in compounds or as a gas. .........
(Private e-mail extract, from R.L.Mills)

Offered as proof of existence, a set of gas chromatography measurements, should be easily found at the link:
(March 1st. )
The data confirming the existence of hydrino is available at this link of today:
I am not permitted to post links to this site. Will this work?
(https, remove between commas, ://) Brilliantlightpower , remove spaces, commas etc, put a dot here, com/news/

We can supply hydrino bound in compounds or as a gas. .........
(Private e-mail extract, from R.L.Mills)

Offered as proof of existence, a set of gas chromatography measurements, should be easily found at the link:
(March 1st. )
The data confirming the existence of hydrino is available at this link of today:
I am not permitted to post links to this site. Will this work?
(https, remove between commas, ://) Brilliantlightpower , remove spaces, commas etc, put a dot here, com/news/

We can supply hydrino bound in compounds or as a gas. .........
(Private e-mail extract, from R.L.Mills)

But Brilliant Light Power and Mills post lots of lies at that site. And even if you don't agree he's deliberately lying he is still quite definitely wrong all the time in his claims. He's claimed to have things he doesn't actually have multiple times. And, no, in case you are going to try to use the same excuse markie tries to use, I don't know mean that he misses deadlines. I mean he actually has claimed to actually have things in the here and now and then turns out not to actually have them.

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I'm sorry Myriad but you are being very dishonest here as in the video they clearly show how they are measuring the energy output.

This is always the problem for Mills, folk like you who are ignorant of the True(tm)* science simply don't have the knowledge to understand the complex way in which they measure heat output. Sure it just looks like someone shining a torch into a water bath and saying you can see distortions in the water, but if you had an understanding of the True(tm)* science you'd know there is no better way of showing the amount of excess heat, this totally validates the generator.

I'm sorry Myriad but you are being very dishonest here as in the video they clearly show how they are measuring the energy output.

This is always the problem for Mills, folk like you who are ignorant of the True(tm)* science simply don't have the knowledge to understand the complex way in which they measure heat output. Sure it just looks like someone shining a torch into a water bath and saying you can see distortions in the water, but if you had an understanding of the True(tm)* science you'd know there is no better way of showing the amount of excess heat, this totally validates the generator.

*Previously known as Scam(tm).

I'm sure they had a thermometer, but no, it does not validate the generator (though I suspect you were being sarcastic). This is pure theater. BLP has to be 'seen' as making progress, or the investors will revolt (I'm sure many of them know their money is wasted, but don't want to say so, on the hope that another fool will buy their shares).

A real system is always right around the corner, except they can't figure out how to turn heat into electricity.

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I'm sorry Myriad but you are being very dishonest here as in the video they clearly show how they are measuring the energy output.

This is always the problem for Mills, folk like you who are ignorant of the True(tm)* science simply don't have the knowledge to understand the complex way in which they measure heat output. Sure it just looks like someone shining a torch into a water bath and saying you can see distortions in the water, but if you had an understanding of the True(tm)* science you'd know there is no better way of showing the amount of excess heat, this totally validates the generator.

*Previously known as Scam(tm).

Somewhat like Rossi and the "Look it makes steam!"

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Originally Posted by Darat

I'm sorry Myriad but you are being very dishonest here as in the video they clearly show how they are measuring the energy output.

This is always the problem for Mills, folk like you who are ignorant of the True(tm)* science simply don't have the knowledge to understand the complex way in which they measure heat output. Sure it just looks like someone shining a torch into a water bath and saying you can see distortions in the water, but if you had an understanding of the True(tm)* science you'd know there is no better way of showing the amount of excess heat, this totally validates the generator.

*Previously known as Scam(tm).

Well, he might be measuring the temperature, but I specifically said "no measurements taken." As in, recorded. He's failing to keep any durable record of his lumithermohydrohydrino readings over time. To do that scientifically, he'd have to be holding a smart phone next to his flashlight, to record video of the striations in the water density revealed by the beam.

Please read my posts more carefully before accusing me of being dishonest!

Well, he might be measuring the temperature, but I specifically said "no measurements taken." As in, recorded. He's failing to keep any durable record of his lumithermohydrohydrino readings over time. To do that scientifically, he'd have to be holding a smart phone next to his flashlight, to record video of the striations in the water density revealed by the beam.

Please read my posts more carefully before accusing me of being dishonest!

There's equations and numbers. I can only assume that this is purporting to be the data from the latest YouTube video.

Quote:

"The excess energy is defined as the thermal energy released into the water bath in excess of the electrical energy input. "[1]

Once again the same flaw as was in previous attempt, failure to include all energy inputs and/or mundane well understood reactions like the burning of metals.

Just another smoke and mirrors report that has no real significance at all. And that's even assuming the test was what Mills claims it is.

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You'd say Mills has 30+ years of experience with that situation though, so surely he has learned how to do at least that by now?

But even Mills knows that one can only stretch proof by youtube so far. The indications are that he is tooling up for another fringe reset. That takes a lot of prep due to the historical trail of fail.

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But even Mills knows that one can only stretch proof by youtube so far. The indications are that he is tooling up for another fringe reset. That takes a lot of prep due to the historical trail of fail.

I do wonder whether this is the biggest obstacle Mills currently faces. Whereas in the past it's been possible to hide and obscure his past, we're now in the age where the internet is deeply embedded into almost everybody's lives. As the saying goes "the internet is forever". So when he announced he had finally got a market ready product in 2008 it was relatively easy to ignore that he had announced a market ready product in 1999. In 2019 it's harder to ignore than he announced a market ready product in 2008. It'll certainly be harder to ignore an announcement from 2016.

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