California School Board Says Allowing Opt-Out of Discussions on Gender Identity Would Be ‘Discriminatory’

ROCKLIN, Calif. — Officials with a school board in California that recently drew controversy after a kindergarten teacher read two books to students about transgender issues stated during a meeting on Monday that allowing opt-outs of discussions on gender identity and homosexuality would be “discriminatory.”

While the Rocklin Academy School Board agreed to provide advance notice about such discussions, it asserted in a revised policy that to allow parents to opt-out their children “on the basis of characteristics of protected classes (e.g., race, religion, ethnicity, gender, gender identity, and disabilities) creates a discriminatory environment that is prohibited by law.”

In some cases, when the matter conflicts with student privacy rights, parents might not be provided with all of the details and reasoning for the lesson or discussion.

“As a result of student privacy rights, parent(s) may not be notified of all circumstances that led the school to choose a particular piece of supplemental instructional material,” the new policy reads. “For example, if the school determines that it is necessary to prevent racial harassment or bullying, it might choose to expose students to material on racial discrimination to sensitize students about the need to teach others with respect.”

The policy was approved unanimously by the board following four hours of public comment from those on both sides of the issue. The meeting attracted over 500 community members, some of whom told officials that it should be the parents, not the school, to speak to their children about such topics.

“This was alarming because it happened at such a young age and outside of the curriculum and there was no notice given,” one parent also declared.

“To teach my kid that biologically this boy was born a boy and to teach him that now he’s a girl is very confusing, and I feel that it’s a lie,” another stated.

According to reports, a proposal had been put forward by Capitol Resource Institute that would have allowed parents to review controversial material before it is introduced in the classroom, and to allow opt-outs when parents desire, but the measure was rejected.

As previously reported, the meeting is the result of public outrage over an incident that occurred in June when kindergarten teacher Kaelin Swaney read the books “I Am Jazz” and “The Red Crayon” on the second-to-last day of school before summer break. The first book is about teen reality show star Jazz Jennings—a teenage boy who identifies as a girl, and the second tells the story of a blue crayon that was mislabeled red.

No advance notice or opt-out information was provided to parents.

When students came home and advised that they had learned about gender identity, with some confused about whether they could transition to the opposite gender, a number of parents contacted the school to express concern.

Principal Jillayne Antoon issued a letter a week later to advise what had transpired in the classroom. She outlined that a student had asked the teacher to read “I Am Jazz” to the class. According to reports, a student who was born a boy but identifies as a girl gifted the books to the teacher. It is not clear if the student who donated the books was the same kindergartener that requested that the Jazz book be read aloud.

“Please be assured that these books are age appropriate children’s books, geared for ages 4-8,” Antoon wrote to parents. “There were no additional discussions with the class about any topic in relation to these books.”

However, parents say that the male student changed his clothes at some point during the class and presented himself as a girl.

During a board meeting last month, one mother lamented, “My daughter came home crying and shaking, so afraid she could turn into a boy.”

According to CBS Sacramento, 14 families have pulled their children out of the school in light of the matter, and Superintendent Robin Stout says she expects that more will follow. However, she noted that there are others on the waitlist to attend the charter school.

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Amos Moses – He>i

well it would certainly discriminate against those who believe the truth ……… that transgender-whatever is a lie ………………..

RWH

Yep. And it discriminates against the Aryan White Nation who don’t want their children told that black people are of worth, and it also discriminates against the Nazis who want their children to believe that the Jews belong in concentration camps. And it discriminates against people who want their children to hate Catholics. My family and friends have encountered all three types when they moved don south.

Amos Moses – He>i

ok ….. SO WHAT …………….

brucewang

This, I think, will go down in history as the opportunity you had to distance yourself from nazis and other haters and you just shrugged your shoulders and said “so what”.

Amos Moses – He>i

ignored …….. you have nothing to say of value ……….

brucewang

This isn’t about me. It’s about what you REFUSED to say that could have saved what’s left of your reputation.

Amos Moses – He>i

ignored ……..

brucewang

You’re like a struggling insect on the head of a pin.

Amos Moses – He>i

ignored ….

brucewang

You didn’t.

Amos Moses – He>i

ignored …… again …

Jerome Horwitz

Pardon? As far as I am concerned, homosexuality is a sin and transgenderism a mental illness, and I for doggone sure don’t think either should be taught to little kids.

You are suggesting there’s something wrong with me or Amos for having this stance?

Go pound salt.

Garbage Adams

The medical world who has studied this extensively does not share your rather lofty opinion.

But what do a bunch of medical experts and scientists know, eh?

Oh, and about that salt…I have an alternate suggestion…

JimmyJoeJohn

“As far as I am concerned, homosexuality is a sin and transgenderism a mental illness”

Bully for you. Let’s see your scientific credentials. Until that time you’re just another hateful bigot in Christian clothing.

Jerome Horwitz

Let’s see: Account created today. 6 comments, all posted at the same website.

Can you say ban evasion? I knew you could.

LadyInChrist♥BlessedBeTheLord

I think he got banned yesterday when he was trolling Christians on this site.

Jerome Horwitz

Sounds like he needs to be flagged.

LadyInChrist♥BlessedBeTheLord

I agree.

JimmyJoeJohn

And you can shut your mouth too, Checkmate.

LadyInChrist♥BlessedBeTheLord

May God wash your mouth out with spiritual soap 🙂

JimmyJoeJohn

May God strike you dead for being so evil.

LadyInChrist♥BlessedBeTheLord

May you see your evil wish upon yourself.

JimmyJoeJohn

You go right ahead and do that, jagoff. I think it’s time the Twitterverse knew all about your little games.

Amos Moses – He>i

TOS violation ……………….

JimmyJoeJohn

Oh, you mean like YOU do all the time yourself, Jason Todd/Matthew T. Mason/slidellman4life?

Tell me you’re not the BIGGEST hypocrite!

RWH

You just don’t get it, do you? May I suggest that you wake up and smell the coffee.

meamsane

So, you don’t like the Indoctrination of Germany’s children in the 1930’s/40’s with Hitler’s mad scheme, but your ok with the indoctrination of America’s children into the left’s mad scheme of normalizing aberrant sexual behaviors and mental Illness?
Got it!

RWH

I don’t think that you understand what indoctrination means. There is a huge difference in teaching children to respect people that are unlike them and an ideology that teaches that certain groups are akin to swine and should be exterminated. If you can’t grasp that distinction, I feel very sorry for you. Keep in mind that Christians were imprisoned as mentally ill under Communism. The sword swings in many directions, and I am troubled by people who glibly label others as mentally ill. But keep up with your beliefs. You will find someday that people who do not play well with others on the job will find themselves escorted out of the workplace, pink sheet in hand.

meamsane

“There is a huge difference in teaching children to respect people that
are unlike them and an ideology that teaches that certain groups are
akin to swine and should be exterminated”.

You can teach children respect without trying to pass off Homosexuality/transgenderism as normal. This is a topic for parents, not the public school system. Any society is built on norms of behavior and making distinctions between what is beneficial and what is harmful. It is the left that is attempting to blur those distinctions in society as is obvious with their Lgbt Ideology and targeting classrooms of children.

So, you must think that it is normal for boys to believe they are really girls and vis versa? And with the higher than normal suicide rates and other mental disturbances and health problems that these folks suffer from, and you think that this is what passes as Psychologically Sound? If your answer is yes, then your the one I feel sorry for!

RWH

Well, maybe on the planet where you live, you have the right to exclude “undesirables” and prevent them from participating in all aspects of community life. However, on my planet, a transgender child has the right to go to school, and he has the right to an education where he is respected and made to feel like an individual of worth. And he deserves to be protected from bullies who would harm him for being different. And the school has the right to teach children to play well with others. And if parents want to raise their children in an environment where Jews, or Catholics, or blacks, or horrors, a gay/transgender child exists, they are welcome to home school or to find a school where people other than white Anglo-Saxon Protestants are not allowed to step foot on the property.

JimmyJoeJohn

So are you seriously comparing nazis to people trying to have a little compassion for transgendered children? That says a lot about you. And probably a lot about your church.

Amos Moses – He>i

actually the DELETED commenter did ………..

meamsane

Amos Moses is right. The deleted commentator brought it up, i was just responding. Anyways…..lies are the compassion of the left!

Johannes Bugenhagen

Amos Moses is NEVER right.

meamsane

That’s the double-standard of the left. Groups that they don’t like can’t discriminate and groups that they favor can and they say nothing about it! They can’t even recognize their own Irrationality and Incoherence in what they preach, which has become a religion!

Garbage Adams

Whose truth? Yours?

Amos Moses – He>i

ignored ……….

Garbage Adams

Whose truth, Amos?

Amos Moses – He>i

ignored …. actually i am not going to ignore that ….. truth is a person ….. and that person is Christ Jesus … who does not change ………

sorry … dont know who you are talking about …… and if they disagree with Christ and the truth ….. then they are not my “fellow christians” ……… they follow a different christ, an anti-christ ……

Garbage Adams

You’re dodging and tap dancing your way out of the No True Scotsman fallacy all over again. When Christian A says something they’re following the word of God but when Christian B says something else, they’re a “false Christian” or a “never was”. Meanwhile both quote from the Bible. This is an impossibility and you blithely ignore it every single time.

Amos Moses – He>i

NTS does not apply … once again a RED HERRING thrown into the conversation ………

Garbage Adams

It applies every single time you try to get high and mighty and pretend to be the only one who’s allowed to be a Christian. 35-plus thousand denominations, Amos. The odds of you being the only one who’s right? Minuscule.

Amos Moses – He>i

“35-plus thousand denominations”

that number changes EVERYTIME a person posts it …. it has no more credibility as accurate …. Christ has one church ….. it is spread across all denominations …. Christ is right …. and the odds are 100 PERCENT ……………

Garbage Adams

Does it matter how many denominations? Even if it was less than 10, that’s a lot of people you’re just discarding. Assuming Christ is right does not mean we should assume you all understand his message the same way. In all likelihook you are wrong.

bowie1

Discrimination laws would only apply to teachers if at all. I would think students can still opt out and allow the others to continue.

meamsane

Schools should stick to teaching math, reading, writing, etc and stay away from indoctrinating children with their sick Ideologies!

JimmyJoeJohn

Yeah, and if a transgendered kid shows up and wants to be treated with respect and not get beaten up I guess he’s just out of luck, huh?

LadyInChrist♥BlessedBeTheLord

Isn’t this a Christian site?

Garbage Adams

Yeah it’s a Christian site. I don’t know why that question gets asked so often. Usually the posts go like this:

Fundamentalist Christian: (bigoted statement)
Non-fundamentalist: (stands up to bigotry)
Fundamentalist Christian: Why are you here? This is a Christian site!!!

So because it’s a Christian site, you are encouraging bigoted statements by Christians?

LadyInChrist♥BlessedBeTheLord

There are many Anti Christian sites where haters like you can go. Coning to a Christian site to abuse Christians is wrong. True bigotry begins in hate that you have for Christians on Christian sites.

Garbage Adams

I’m not a hater. What I am standing up against is hate.

Tonya Elise

EVERYONE
IS BORN INTO SIN . Trans-people are Not the same as that. REMEMBER God does Not make mistakes.
Trans people are not living a lie. They are just trying to get by in life.
Jesus was the imcbodiment of LOVE. Some “so-called Christians have so much HATE.
Not having the education or information leads to Fear. Fear leads to HATE, Have leads to
Volence ( Murder and hurting someone). ________________________________________________________
John 14:6 King James Version (KJV)
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto
the Father, but by me.
*** Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free,
nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.***__
I AM CREATED BY GOD > I am trans-gender and i am still a Christian.
Judge not lest ye be judged. The Trans-gender people have been around
since before Jesus was on earth. John 3:16 i am saved. Your Judgement
on my is a Sin. Let those without sin cast the first stone ! _
Matthew 7:1-3King James Version (KJV)
7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged:
and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye,
but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
__
That has to do with Gay men << Romans 1:18-32…
Trans-gender is not about sexuality. Gender is
Not sexual preference ….. AGAIN . What sins have
you done? Judge not me for any sin i know i have
done. … Those without sin cast the first stone.
Not saying you are judging me, i am just making a
point to those who would. John 3:16 and i am saved
from eternal Damnation. JESUS it the embodiment of
LOVE. He loved everyone so much he died for EVERY
Sinner on earth. Yes, even sinners. My gender is not
a sin. God made me who i am. HATE is of Satan.. God is love , To whom do you serve now ?

vicnicholls

Everyone is born into sin. Those who become one of Christs’ will have His mind. Are you saying that God doesn’t make mistakes and it is His fault we’re all born into sin?

I can see by your fruit that it is the fruit of hate for Christians who come on Christian sites. In the Bible it says this is the way it will be.We Christians will be hates because we believe in God and His Son. You and the others like who have come to give us a hard time on this site have shown me that God’s Word is true. For that I should thank you 🙂 Thank you Garbage Adams.

I will praying for you and praying for the ones you hate. I’ll pray that God will protect the one you hate from you and your friends who come here with you. Have a great week end
Shalom

Garbage Adams

You can see NOTHING about me based on a few lines I write here.

LadyInChrist♥BlessedBeTheLord

You are wrong. I can see with the words of hate that you use against the Christians that you hate.
Shalon

Garbage Adams

I’m saying leave transgendered people alone. You want to burn them in hell. Which one of us is hateful?

LadyInChrist♥BlessedBeTheLord

I have 3 yes ((THREE)) transgender FRIENDS. Well one is no longer transgender. He now lives as the man he was born to be. I love the other two as if they were my family. I pray for them to be delivered. I pray for them because I love them. I also pray for other like them because I care about their Eternal future.

Now as far as you I will pray for the Christians you (((hate))). For God to protect them from ((you)) and ((your)) hate that you have in your heart.

And it’s not just the transgender issues that you hate Christians.

Garbage Adams

I don’t hate Christians, I hate arrogance and stupidity and stone age beliefs that have no relevance in today’s world.

LadyInChrist♥BlessedBeTheLord

Yes you do hate Christians. You are a person of such hatred. I pray God will protect all Christians from your hate. No telling what you would to them if you could getaway with it.
I will pray God will deliver you from such hate.
Shalom

Garbage Adams

I hate the words that come out of the mouths of the unreasonable Christians, the ones who seem to think that Jesus preached a message of hate and intolerance and anti-science.

LadyInChrist♥BlessedBeTheLord

No, you just hate Christians. And I will still Pray God will protect them from you and your hate.
Shalom

Garbage Adams

Save your prayers for someone else. Your God is a God of tyrannical hatred and intolerance, about as far removed as the Christian God as possible. I have love for human beings. You have only judgement and contempt.

LadyInChrist♥BlessedBeTheLord

I am not praying on your behalf.I am praying for those you hate to be protected from you and your hate.

God is nothing like you say He is. His Justice is good. One day you will understand.
Shalom

vicnicholls

When we leave them alone, they will end up burning in hell by their own choice. We tried, we make the effort to go them with God’s Word. They choose to reject. Their choice, their own choices will condemn them.

Bible itself preaches that.

Garbage Adams

What an arrogant thing to say. You don’t know who’s going to burn and for what reason or even IF they will burn. All you know is what you’ve convinced yourself is the belief of God which most of us consider so unreasonable coming from a supreme being that hardly anyone outside of your cult is able to take you seriously.

Tonya Elise

i question this site sometimes . with all the hate. We are ALL sinners after all. Judgement is for God Alone, Not for man/woman to judge.

LadyInChrist♥BlessedBeTheLord

Christian sites shouldn’t this way. As Christians we should be able to go on these sites in peace. But I guess it becoming the time where love is growing cold too much hate in the world.

vicnicholls

Ma’am, tons of responses have been written that the Bible tells us to judge and how to do it. Please read the Gospel and be saved. Its obvious you don’t know hermaneutics.

Garbage Adams

Uh, no, in fact it tells you not to. Remember the bit about the plank in your eye? Remember judge not, lest ye be judged? Remember he who is without sin casting the first stone?

meamsane

So all transgendered kids are “beaten up”? Do you have evidence for that?

Cady555

Most trans people in the US have been physically attacked at some point in their lives.

meamsane

I don’t know whether that is true or not, so I won’t take that at face value.

vicnicholls

On top of that, Christians are commanded to give the Gospel. You can have any one claim to be Christian (or any other group) and beat them up for any reason. The proof itself would be that they were beaten up, that the person wasn’t a Christian because where in the Bible does it indicate that? None of the John MacArthur, Steve Lawson, etc. types ever indicate anything other than giving them the Gospel.

YCNAN

IT IS AGAINST THE LAW FOR ANYONE TO PUT THEIR HANDS ON ANYONE FOR ANY REASON. THE REASON TO BEAT SOMEONE UP DOES NOT MATTER YOU CANNOT DO IT.

Cady555

If your child had an obvious birth defect, the teacher might explain that condition to the class to ensure your child was not bullied.

Suppose another family said “I forbid teachers to discuss that medical condition because I teach my children that people with that condition are cursed by God.” Teachers would rightly continue to place the safety and well being your child while at school above another family’s prejudices. You would rightly have no sympathy for a person that called your child “cursed by god.”

meamsane

“Cursed by God”? Who is saying that? Sounds like a strawman!

Boys dressing as girls and girls as boys is not a “birth defect”. It is a Psychological disturbance. There is a difference between telling children that there classmate has problems and is seeing a doctor for help and reading pro-transgender books saying that this is normal and good!

Cady555

Schools can and should teach students to treat each other with respect. This means that the fact that black people exist, gay people exist, trans people exist, etc. will be presented in school, along with the fact that all people are worthy of respect.

No group has the right to demand that other people pretend to be invisible. Welcome to the 21st century.

Amos Moses – He>i

“No group has the right to demand that other people pretend to be invisible”

No group has the right to demand that other people pretend they are what they are NOT ….

Jerome Horwitz

Being black has nothing to do with any of this.

This is about the attitude our children are not ours, the idea schools have the right to do and say whatever they want to our kids with and without our permission.

If you agree with that, there’s something wrong with YOU.

JimmyJoeJohn

Go pound sand in your ass, Matthew.

Amos Moses – He>i

TOS violation …………

LadyInChrist♥BlessedBeTheLord

Why are you using bad words on a Christian site?

Jerome Horwitz

No respect for the rules or those who post here.

Just flag him.

Cady555

You do not have the right to demand that another child be invisible just because your religion teaches that person does not exist.

A person does not choose to be trans. If you don’t believe that, that is your problem. Trans people exist and your child will meet trans people in public school.

Jerome Horwitz

You do not have the right to demand that another child be invisible just because your religion teaches that person does not exist.

Nobody is saying children do not exist. It’s your assertion that children are born with gender confusion that’s laughable.

The only way “trans” exists is as a mental illness. Stefonknee Wolscht proves that and makes you a liar. It’s flat not normal to believe a man in his 50s can be a six-year-old girl, anymore than it is a three-year-old, who has no idea of the concepts behind “boy” and “girl” would suddenly say they are not the gender they were born as.

your child will meet trans people in public school.

Funny, I never met a single “trans” when I was in grade school. Not. One. And I finished high school in 1985.

Cady555

Yes. You would not have met any trans people in 1985, because trans people either lived secretly in misery or killed themselves. The suicide rate was 50% or more. That kinda took care of the problem of needing to acknowledge the existence of trans people.

Show me the case you are talking about where a 50 year old claimed to be 6. Or stop making crap up.

Preschoolers know whether they are boy or girl. Trans kids begin declaring “I am a ____” in preschool. Several times a day. Every day. For years. Even if they are punished. No matter what parents do to put a stop to it. They are serious and consistent.

If you are a parent you know when something your child says is pretend and when it’s real.

Why is it so hard to have empathy?

Study embryonic development. Every structure of the developing organism is built by the release of specific chemicals at specific points during gestation.

The brain forms when DNA triggers the release of certain chemicals. The genitals develop at a different time when different genes kick off the release of different chemicals. It is rare but possible that these two chemical events are out of sync. It happens.

Google chimera. Fraternal twins are conceived, then merge. One child is born, but part of their body has the DNA of twin A. The rest of the body has the DNA of twin B. Fraternal twins can be M-M, F-F or M-F. A person with this condition can be part Male and part female and have no clue.

(This condition was documented when a mother seeking child support was “proven” via a cheek swab that she was her children’s aunt. A later test with DNA from her cervix showed her to really be the mother. She had two different sets of DNA.)

Gender is in the brain not the mirror.

Even if you choose not to learn about transgender people, you have no right to deny their reality just because you prefer not to learn.

Amos Moses – He>i

“Show me the case you are talking about where a 50 year old claimed to be 6. Or stop making cr*p up.”

wrong question ….. why do you have an singular view of empathy as “approval of anything goes” …………..

Jerome Horwitz

First off, you need to be able to prove that “trans” was a real thing affecting children prior to the 21st Century. Good luck with that.

Secondly, I gave you the name. Would I have done that if he didn’t exist? Search YouTube. He was interviewed for TV. Also, while you are there, search for Nano and Danny Oohh.

And I am sure you have heard about how babies are “assigned” a gender at birth.

This is all how and why you are completely full of crap, as well as mentally unstable: Rational people realize and understand what you are saying is BS.

We’re done here.

meamsane

The Totalitarian thought police are after our children!!

mr goody two shoes

Until parents get angry enough this will go on .in other places where patents got angry enough it stopped.

meamsane

Reality will win out. The left is going to extremes here and eventually they will be pushed back.

Garbage Adams

It IS winning out. Transgenderism is real and backwards religions can’t just sweep it under the rug anymore.

meamsane

Backwards religions??? Who’s teaching that boys can become girls and girls boys? Now that’s backwards!!

Garbage Adams

Have you experienced the condition yourself? No? Then how can you tell other people what they have experienced firsthand?

Amos Moses – He>i

have you ………….

Garbage Adams

No. That’s why I’m not telling them they have mental issues or other things I’m not prepared to speak about. I haven’t got proof. Neither does anyone else.

Amos Moses – He>i

“Obituraries numbering 6516 from 16 US homosexual journals over 12 years were compared to a large sample of obituaries from regular newspapers. The obituaries from the regular newspapers were similar to US averages for longevity, the median age of death of married men was 75, 80% of them died old, 65 or older. For unmarried or divorced men the median age of death was 57 and 32% of them died old.

Married women averaged age 79 at death, 85% died old, and unmarried and divorced women averaged age 71, and 60% of them died old.

However, the median age of death for homosexuals was virtually the same nationwide, and overall, less than 2% survived to old age. If AIDS was the cause of death, the median age was 39 years old. For the 829 homosexuals who died of something else besides AIDS, the median age was 42 years of age, and 9% died old. Of 163 lesbians, the median age was 44 years of age, and 20% died old. 2.8% of homosexuals died violently and they were 116 times more apt to be murdered, 24 times more apt to commit suicide, and had a traffic accident death rate 18 times greater than comparably aged white males. 20% of lesbians died of murder, suicide, or accident, a rate 487 times greater than that of white females aged 25 to 44.”

Garbage Adams

Until you’re prepared to give data on monogamous couples, your posts don’t have a lot of relevance to anything.

Amos Moses – He>i

i just did …. but if you want more ….. from Slate (consummate LIBERAL source) …. basically ….. it is a MYTH ……………

The dirty little secret about gay marriage: Most gay couples are not monogamous. We have come to accept lately, partly thanks to Liza Mundy’s excellent recent cover story in the Atlantic and partly because we desperately need something to make the drooping institution of heterosexual marriage seem vibrant again, that gay marriage has something to teach us, that gay couples provide a model for marriages that are more egalitarian and less burdened by the old gender roles that are weighing marriage down these days.

But the thorny part of the gay marriage experiment is sex, and more precisely, monogamous sex. Mundy writes about an old study from the ’80s that found that gay couples were extremely likely to have had sex outside their relationship—82 percent did. That was before AIDS and the great matrimony craze in the gay community. She also tells the story of Dan Savage, who started out wanting to be monogamous until he and his partner had kids, and then they loosened up on that in order to make their union last. “Monogamish” is what he calls his new model. But as Mundy asks, can anyone out there imagine a husband proposing that same deal to his pregnant wife?

A long Gawker story last week explored this problem in greater detail. In the fight for marriage equality, the gay rights movement has put forth couples that look like straight ones, together forever, loyal, sharing assets. But what no one wants to talk about is that they don’t necessarily represent the norm:

The Gay Couples Study out of San Francisco State University—which, in following over 500 gay couples over many years is the largest on-going study of its kind—has found that about half of all couples have sex with someone other than their partner, with their partner knowing.
In writing about the subject, gay people emphasize the aspects of their relationships that sound most wholesome and straight-like, Steven Thrasher writes. They neglect to mention that, say, in Thrasher’s case, he met his partner for sex only once, and they ended up falling in love. The larger point being that gay couples are very different when it comes to sex, even if this is not the convenient moment to discuss that. And in legalizing gay marriage, we are accepting a form of sanctioned marriage that is not by habit monogamous and that is inventing all kinds of new models of how to accommodate lust and desire in long-term relationships.

In his interviews with married gay couples, Thrasher gets them to open up about the arrangements they invent. Most are some version of Dan Savage’s “monogamish.” They are monogamous when they are in the same city, they can have sex with other people but not fall in love, or they can have sex with other people for some period of time. In some far-off, ideal world, this kind of openness may infect the straight world, and heterosexual couples may actually start to tackle the age-old problem of boring monogamous sex. But do any of us really believe that?

Garbage Adams

Someone’s opinion over whether homosexual couples are truly monogamous is irrelevant. The ones who truly are will not catch STDs. It’s as simple as that. Promiscuous people, especially those who do not use protection, are going to catch STDs and some of them will die. Duh.

Amos Moses – He>i

i will give you that … it is irrelevant …. and yet …. YOU KEEP BRINGING IT UP ….. it has not one thing to do with the statistics of EARLY DEATH of homosexuals for their HOMOSEXUAL BEHAVIOR ………… and those early deaths are from ALL CAUSES …. including ACCIDENTAL death …. again ………… BESIDES AIDS/HIV …..

For the 829 homosexuals who died of something else besides AIDS, the median age was 42 years of age, and 9% died old. Of 163 lesbians, the median age was 44 years of age, and 20% died old. 2.8% of homosexuals died violently and they were 116 times more apt to be murdered, 24 times more apt to commit suicide, and had a traffic accident death rate 18 times greater than comparably aged white males. 20% of lesbians died of murder, suicide, or accident, a rate 487 times greater than that of white females aged 25 to 44.

Garbage Adams

As long as you keep making out all homosexuals to be degenerate bed-hopping perverts and pedophiles, I’m gonna set you straight. Don’t expect that to change.

Amos Moses – He>i

you have nothing with which to set it straight that has any validity …..

Garbage Adams

You don’t accept valid sources. That’s your problem.

Amos Moses – He>i

you have none ….

Garbage Adams

If you laugh at the top scientific sources of the day, why should I expect a serious response?

Amos Moses – He>i

you do not accept the CDC …. so i guess they are not serious ……. ok …. nuff said ……..

Garbage Adams

Never said that. Half the time you don’t even know what the data is saying.

Amos Moses – He>i

well i know what the CDC said it says ….. and it was cut and pasted here for you …. VERBATIM ……… your worldview comes crashing down on your head and that is all you have …… NTS …. No True Science ……….

Amos Moses – He>i

the CDC is not valid …. hmmmmmmmmm …… NTS Syndrome ……….

Garbage Adams

All data can be manipulated for your purposes. That IS something you are good at.

meamsane

This also works in reverse!

Amos Moses – He>i

i said nothing the CDC did not say … see … that is what CUT AND PASTE does ….. VERBATIM …… your worldview comes crashing down on your head and that is all you have …… NTS ….

Garbage Adams

Cutting and pasting data that answers a question that isn’t being asked is deceptive and dishonest.

Amos Moses – He>i

ignored …………

YCNAN

THE ONLY VALID SOURCE IS GOD. YOU HAD BETTER BE RETHINKING YOUR BELIEFS

Garbage Adams

Typing in all caps is a violation on this forum.

YCNAN

YOU NEED STRAIGHTENING OUT AND PRAYING THE HOLY SPIRIT DOES IT ASAP

Amos Moses – He>i

Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report
Sexual Identity, Sex of Sexual Contacts, and
Health-Related Behaviors Among Students
in Grades 9–12 — United States
and Selected Sites, 2015

Results: Across the 18 violence-related risk behaviors nationwide, the prevalence of 16 was higher among gay, lesbian, and bisexual students than heterosexual students and the prevalence of 15 was higher among students who had sexual contact with only the
same sex or with both sexes than students who had sexual contact with only the opposite sex. Across the 13 tobacco use-related risk behaviors, the prevalence of 11 was higher among gay, lesbian, and bisexual students than heterosexual students and the
prevalence of 10 was higher among students who had sexual contact with only the same sex or with both sexes than students who had sexual contact with only the opposite sex. Similarly, across the 19 alcohol or other drug use-related risk behaviors, the prevalence
of 18 was higher among gay, lesbian, and bisexual students than heterosexual students and the prevalence of 17 was higher among students who had sexual contact with only the same sex or with both sexes than students who had sexual contact with only the
opposite sex. This pattern also was evident across the six sexual risk behaviors. The prevalence of five of these behaviors was higher among gay, lesbian, and bisexual students than heterosexual students and the prevalence of four was higher among students who had sexual contact with only the same sex or with both sexes
than students who had sexual contact with only the opposite sex. No clear pattern of differences emerged for birth control use, dietary behaviors, and physical activity.

Garbage Adams

And what do you think this data proves, Amos? Please tell me in your own words.

Amos Moses – He>i

your denial of the facts ……. that it is not normal …. and it is not healthy …. by any metric ……….

Garbage Adams

I’m asking you to tell me what you THINK that source you provided proves.

Amos Moses – He>i

and i did …. and you proved it ….. NTS Syndrome ……….

Garbage Adams

NTS? Um, no. Clearly something else you still don’t understand after having it explained 500 times.

Amos Moses – He>i

you have explained it …. well however many times ….. and yet when it APPLIES to you …. all of a sudden NTS is “something else” ……. i see …. No True Science ….. thats what this has come down to ….. on your part ……. and the CDC does not conduct “real” science ….. i see ……… your worldview comes crashing down on your head and that is all you have …… NTS ….

Johannes Bugenhagen

Uh, no, that’s not how the No True Scotsman fallacy works. You don’t just stick the word you want at the end like you tried to do with “science”. Allow me to help you:

allow me to help you …. WHATEVER you want to call it …. it applies to this person ……. and his assertions about the CDC ……..

Garbage Adams

No one is disputing the cut and paste job you did from the CDC. The problem is you don’t understand the issue. Fat people probably die of heart attacks more often than other people – I’m sure the CDC would agree. So what are you using that data to say? That fat people deserve their heart attacks because overeating is a sin in the eyes of God? Or are you saying that fat people won’t get into heaven? That we should shun fat people? Kill them? What? What are you trying to say, assuming no problem with the data?

Amos Moses – He>i

ignored ………..

JimmyJoeJohn

Do you even have the slightest clue what the No True Scotsman fallacy is…you should since you are guilty of it every few seconds…

Amos Moses – He>i

ignored …. see ya … would not want to be ya ……

YCNAN

THESE WILL HAVE NO PROTECTION FROM THE WRATH OF GOD. YOU CANNOT FIND A WAY TO JUSTIFY SIN NO MATTER WHAT HUMAN RESOURCE YOU USE

meamsane

“The medical world who has studied this extensively does not share your rather lofty opinion.

But what do a bunch of medical experts and scientists know, eh?

Oh, and about that salt…I have an alternate suggestion…”

Above is your previous post to Jerome Horwitz which is opposite of what you state here to Amos. So, which is it? Nobody knows anything about the affliction of transgenders or they do?

Garbage Adams

I asked Amos if he’d experienced it. He said no and asked me the same. I said no as well. That’s because we aren’t medically minded people. But I never said there aren’t medically minded people who can speak on this subject. Of course there are. But a person coming from a religion perspective isn’t qualified to speak about it.

meamsane

Oh really? I have to be a doctor in order to talk about medical issues? Are you then qualified to talk about religion which you reject?

Jerome Horwitz

No. Of course you don’t. Just flag him.

Johannes Bugenhagen

Mind your own business.

JimmyJoeJohn

Flag yourself, Matthew T. Mason.

Garbage Adams

You could very easily be flagged too, everyone knows you were Jason Todd. Who was banned.

Garbage Adams

Yes, generally you like your medical opinions to come from a doctor of medicine when the subject is something like gender dysphoria. Which is why I don’t seek one out when I want to discuss Galatians or Philippians.

meamsane

Uh huh?

meamsane

This is a Christian news site speaking on issues that will or might affect Christians, so it is not off topic. You might feel better over at the huffing post, then you can bobble your head in agreement all you want!

Garbage Adams

Is science and medical fact so offensive to you?

Amos Moses – He>i

“I asked Amos if he’d experienced it. He said no and asked me the same.”

you seem to mis-remember ……….

Garbage Adams

I think not. It seems pretty clear we both said we haven’t experienced gender dysphoria.

Amos Moses – He>i

i have neither said yes or no …. you mis-remember ………

Garbage Adams

So you HAVE had gender dysphoria. Is that what you’re saying?

Amos Moses – He>i

i have made no assertion one way or the other ………….

#imreallygay

#notthatkindofgayadifferentkindofgay

#justsoweareclearthegayiamreferringtoishappynotthegayyouarethinkingof

Garbage Adams

If you’ve experienced gender dysphoria, then you know it’s real and therefore all the comments about it being mental illness are wrong.
If you haven’t experienced gender dysphoria, then you don’t know and therefore are no in a position to be judging.
You lose either way.

Amos Moses – He>i

#imreallygay

#notthatkindofgayadifferentkindofgay

#justsoweareclearthegayiamreferringtoishappynotthegayyouarethinkingof

Garbage Adams

What does being gay have to do with gender dysphoria (or pedophilia, since you’ve tried to link those in the past too)?

Amos Moses – He>i

ignored ……….

JimmyJoeJohn

Being gay has nothing to do with being transgendered you stupid son of a bitch.

Amos Moses – He>i

TOS VIOLATION ……………..

#imreallygay

#notthatkindofgayadifferentkindofgay

#justsoweareclearthegayiamreferringtoishappynotthegayyouarethinkingof

Amos Moses – He>i

was nice not knowing you ………. “Being gay has nothing to do with being transgendered you stupid son of a b*tch.”

Garbage Adams

That statement is correct. All parts of it.

Amos Moses – He>i

ignored ………..

Garbage Adams

I liked the last part, personally. Gave me a laugh.

Amos Moses – He>i

ignored ………

Garbage Adams

Go away.

Amos Moses – He>i

ignored … you responded to me …. ignored again ……

Garbage Adams

Stop saying ignored when you answer a post, please. It makes no sense and just irritates the moderators.

Amos Moses – He>i

ignored ….

Amos Moses – He>i

because homosexuals are homogeneous … and there are not “butch” homosexuals and “effeminate” homosexuals ….. as some weird perversion of heterosexual reality …….. and this “distinction” somehow makes them any different from “trans-whatevers” ….. RIIIIIIIIIGGGGHHHHHTTTTT!!!!!!! ……..

SIN IS SIN …………

#imreallygay

#notthatkindofgayadifferentkindofgay

#justsoweareclearthegayiamreferringtoishappynotthegayyouarethinkingof

Bizarro World Code
1. Us do opposite of all Godly things
2. Us hate beauty
3. Us love ugliness
4. Is BIG crime to make anything Godly in Bizarro world
5. Us defile all that is good and Godly

Amos Moses – He>i

BATMANG …. you are back after you got BOUNCED …. my …. how clever of you ….. and i see you have “improved” your vocabulary ……….

Jerome Horwitz

The above I cannot see. The mod should have banned him ages ago, but since he is still here, I blocked him. You should block him too.

meamsane

He’s blocked. I got tired of his drivel.

JimmyJoeJohn

No, what happened is you had no argument to give.

meamsane

If you say so? Maybe I just did not want his waste in my inbox?

Garbage Adams

You can see it.

JimmyJoeJohn

That goes double for you. They have banned you here more than anyone else. They banned you when you were slidellman4life, they banned you when you were Jason Todd, and now you’re using this ridiculous name, Matthew. You fool nobody.

YCNAN

READ THE BIBLE FOR YOUR PROOF. STOP LEANING ON YOUR OWN UNDERSTANDING

meamsane

Have you experienced Christ? No? Then how do you tell other people that what they experienced is backwards or false?

Garbage Adams

We aren’t talking about experiencing Christ. We are talking about people who are transgendered. You seem to think ALL of them are lying. And I would like to know your credentials to make a statement like that. Scientific or otherwise. Does Christ discuss it in the Bible? Chapter and verse if so.

meamsane

Oh? You made the comment about backwards religion and now you want to deflect? ok.

Garbage Adams

How am I deflecting? If you’re not a medical expert on issues like gender dysphoria and are basing your opinions on anything involving religion, are you using the right tool for the job?

meamsane

The tool I use is the mind God gave me. Your deflecting by avoiding the issue you yourself brought up. (religion)
As far as medical experts (psychology) are concerned, if you go to the APA website and look under transgenderism, the only consensus that they have about transgenders is that there is no consensus. I.E. they don’t know that much, yet they are prescribing “treatments”.

Garbage Adams

We all have minds. Yours is no more special just because it holds an opinion. Let’s hear science or nothing.

meamsane

Yeah, and some minds are Irrational and believe that boys can become girls and girls boys. I will stick with biological fact!

Garbage Adams

You do that, and continue to ignore the whole mental component.

YCNAN

TRANSGENDERS AND HOMOSEXUALS NEED A RENEWAL OF THE MIND. IT IS BLATANT, HELL ASSURING SIN. IT MUST BE CONFESSED AND REPENTED OF JUST LIKE ANY OTHER SIN. AWAKE O SLEEPER BEFORE YOU LEAVE THIS PLANET

JimmyJoeJohn

Stop shrieking please.

YCNAN

THE BIBLE TELLS BELIEVERS WE ARE TO HAVE THE MIND OF CHRIST

Reason2012

We ready to get back to God yet? To accept His offer to forgive and forget by what Christ did for us, the only begotten Son of God? Read the gospels again with sincere desire to know what Jesus did and said while He was here! The unsaved world continues to provide amazing proof that God is real and His judgment is real!

Most churches do not even preach on how Jesus warned more about_hell than He spoke of heaven:

“And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that_kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath_killed hath power to cast into_hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.”
Luke 12:4-5

Amos Moses – He>i

“We cannot talk about sin. It scares people away from out collection plates” ……….

mr goody two shoes

Parents are just not angry enough yet to explain to those teachers not to mess with there kids. When the parents get angry enough. Than this will stop..

Christopher Radic

The California school board is causing psychological problems associated with child abuse, this has to stop ! Gender should only be discussed with their parents and their parents only ! The California school board has crossed the line ! Also There’s a morality factor here they’ve also cross that line to ! The school board is not their parents ! What they’re doing is against the law ! The parents should sue the school board !

Reason2012

They call it “discriminatory” to not allow everyone else’s kids/grandkids to be discriminated against and indoctrinated. The left uses “it’s discrimination / hate / phobia” to silence all dissenting opinions and have their way in everything, and people then censor themselves for fear of being labeled these things. A chilling, anti-America attack on free speech. Get active, people, and get these perverts in position of power over your kids fired. Get your kids out of public indoctrination centers and get the government out of the education business.

InTheChurch

A school district down the road from the capital in Sacramento. That explains it.

Denny

The schools are miserable failures at teaching language, math, science, and history, so they set themselves up to teach kids that the abnormal is normal.

American education is a sick joke, at taxpayers’ expense.

Lydia Church

Homosexuality is a sin and yes it is a choice that you can say no to.
This is indoctrinating kids to accept sin.
THAT is discriminating against those who oppose sin, not vice versa.
No, we don’t have to do it, we have to refuse to go along with it.
That is what must be done, as well as homeschooling your kids.

And that is what’s right regardless of all the negating replies that may result from this comment, so I have already answered you too.
: D

EVERYONE
IS BORN INTO SIN . Trans-people are Not the same as that. REMEMBER God does Not make mistakes.
Trans people are not living a lie. They are just trying to get by in life.
Jesus was the imcbodiment of LOVE. Some “so-called Christians have so much HATE.
Not having the education or information leads to Fear. Fear leads to HATE, Have leads to
Volence ( Murder and hurting someone). ________________________________________________________
John 14:6 King James Version (KJV)
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto
the Father, but by me.
*** Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free,
nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.***__
I AM CREATED BY GOD > I am trans-gender and i am still a Christian.
Judge not lest ye be judged. The Trans-gender people have been around
since before Jesus was on earth. John 3:16 i am saved. Your Judgement
on my is a Sin. Let those without sin cast the first stone ! _
Matthew 7:1-3King James Version (KJV)
7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged:
and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye,
but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
__
That has to do with Gay men << Romans 1:18-32…
Trans-gender is not about sexuality. Gender is
Not sexual preference ….. AGAIN . What sins have
you done? Judge not me for any sin i know i have
done. … Those without sin cast the first stone.
Not saying you are judging me, i am just making a
point to those who would. John 3:16 and i am saved
from eternal Damnation. JESUS it the embodiment of
LOVE. He loved everyone so much he died for EVERY
Sinner on earth. Yes, even sinners. My gender is not
a sin. God made me who i am.

God does not create anyone to be LGBT because it is all sin and God does not create sin nor tempt anyone to sin. As with all sin it is a choice and as with all sin only Christ Jesus is the answer and cure for He is the way, the truth and the life and no one comes to the Father except by Him.

Joe Dokes

They want and need other people’s children to perpetuate themselves, either as future homosexuals or as sympathizers, and they’ll stop at nothing to get them

Tianzhu

The death of common sense. Everyone knows and accepts that dog owners have to train their dogs not to display dominance behavior, and yet now we’re being called “bigots” because we try to restrain our children from engaging in ridiculous behavior. If you let your dog jump all over people, you’re considered a bad person, but if you play along with your child’s fantasies, that’s considered cool. As Dr. Phil says, “Children will do what they can.” If they learn at an early age that they can bully adults, they will certainly do so.

Adults must play their God-given role as adults, which means frequently saying “No!” to children. We don’t allow children to select their bedtime or choose what they want to eat, so why on earth should we allow them to “identify” as something they are not?

Musky

If the guiding principle is “I am what I say I am,” then I plan to identify as a non-citizen on April 15. They can’t make me pay taxes when I identify as a citizen of Switzerland.

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