How To Survive Rapture

The never ending debate whether there is or isn't a Rapture continues to divide Christians. When there isn't a Rapture how will a person know the beginning and the end of the tribulation period? How will you survive for seven years when you aren't Raptured?

//We are gathered to escort Him to earth as He returns as Judge at the end of the Tribulation.//And your scripture for this erroneous statement is found in what commentary?Are you one who still has Christ hanging on a cross?

Dear shira Elder is a nice person and I respect him. But I need scripture to prove my doctrine. Not because He does not think so. Also you are correct just reading the Bible does not prove you know all of it. But posting what the Bible says and not just saying words about no it does not mean what it says. Proves nothing.

At the Rapture the Saints are resurrected. At the Second Coming all the saints are resurrected. Do the dead saints go back into the ground so the can be resurrected twice?

How is Christ Coming to get his saints not the Second coming? Is it not JESUS coming the second time? True He does not touch the earth then. But then Matthew 24 does not say he touches the earth then.

//There's still not a pre-trib rapture for anybody.//"then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air"(AND MAKE A U-TURN AND RETURN TO EARTH??)Your commentaries have been wrong before

//And what does the Bible say will happen to those who say, "Peace and safety"?//"For when THEY shall say, Peace and safety,"They are unbelievers"then WE which are alive and remain shall be caught up" We are believers

You will know, like everyone else, because all of the nations will go to war with the false prophet gog beast from the earth as written.

This is the time of the commerce war with the world in the implementation of the mark of the beast {number of the name of the beast from the earth with the image of the beast from the sea} which is 666.

//Again, the Church Saints will not go through God's wrath.You are not "connecting the dots." ---Elder on 4/11/14 //Elder you are 100% correct.What most fail to realize, is that although all the Bible is written for us, it is not all written to us.

2014-(the year you were born)-(your age this past Dec 31) = 1 Because there is only one you.Pick a group of numbers that have significance, throw around some mathematical functions until they match.Eureka!! It must be true!!

1-4 plus 5, Fulfilled to the completion during the time of the false prophet gog is the Prophecy who rules for 1335 days or 3.655 years or 44 1/2 months along with 10 rulers. They will make commerce wars with the whole world is written. Then, 1-7 Seals/Trumpets/Bowls. Then, The Millennium. Then, The Second Resurrection.

Elder I have read the Bible many times and have read books on both sides. What books have you read that oppose your viewpoint? Until Darby the Rapture and the Second Coming were one. What source says two.Correct the upper room was not a rapture. We can tell which is symbolic by using the Old Testament prophets. For instance the Book of Daniel. IIThess, Matthew 24, and Mark 13 all talk about the catching of the saints to meet JESUS in the air. These passages do not say JESUS sets his feet on the earth. JESUS comes back for his church is the Second Coming. Latter he does sit his feet on the earth for the Judgment at the resurrection of the wicked.

SamuelI don't understand.You agree there are only two resurrections, and the First is during the tribulation period, as written in(Revelation 20:4-6).

How can there be a pre-trib resurrection, if there are only two, and the first resurrection happens during the tribulation period?

Also notice, those written about in (Revelation 6:9-11) have been killed, and they are waiting for others to be killed during the tribulation.This would mean, those in the first resurrection, are not all resurrected at the same time.

Dear Samuel, I believe that the passages in (Matthew 24:36-44) is speaking of the Second Coming of Christ. On that "day" which means the Second Coming is mentioned beginning in (v.36). The passage does say,"But of that day and hour no one know, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only. But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be."No rapture is mentioned on the passage, but it does not mean that just because it is not mentioned, that it has not occurred already when that day does come. Matthew 24:1- speaks of something that was going to happen at that time, and it did happen. Agape

There will be a rapture, though not like the one in the "Left Behind" movie.

In (Revelation 20:4-6) it tells us about those in the First Resurrection. They were beheaded because they did not get the mark of the beast on their forehead or hand. This Mark is only given during the tribulation period.

If this Mark is given during the tribulation period, and those who are killed because they did not get this Mark are the first to be resurrected, how can there be a pre-trib resurrection(Rapture)?

If there was pre-trib rapture, wouldn't that have been called the First Resurrection?

Jesus ministry in Matthew-John was to the lost sheep of the house of ISRAEL (Mat 15:24). His ministry to the circumcision confirmed the covenant promises to the nation Israel (Rom 15:8).

Jesus is speaking to his covenant people according to prophecy.

Matt 24 salvation received through endurance (Mat 24:13). salvation today rests on the finished work of Christ and provides salvation now. Rom 5:11

Gods message to covenant Israel in Matt-John was that the Messiah had arrived and the promised kingdom was coming (Mark 1:14-15). different from Gods message of grace concerning the free justification and reconciliation that he provides by Christs' blood . (Mat 24:16). most of the church today does not live in Judaea.

Matt 24:1 Christ speaking to his disciples. He had many disciples. He tells them of the destruction of the temple which was destroyed by the Romans in 70A.D.Matt 24:16 he is speaking of fleeing to the mountains. At Christ's return we won't need to flee to the mountains.Matt 24: 25-27 Christ mentions the coming of the Son of Man. This is speaking of His coming judgement upon the nation of Israel. Matt 24:28 The eagle was the symbol for the Romans.Matt 24:29 The old law service is done away with completely with the destruction of Jerusalem.Matt 24:31 His angles (ministers) are gathering the people together. Christ's second coming he will gather us together.24:31 Generation = 40 years.

For whom was Matthew 24 written?Matt 24 was spoken by the Lord Himself to the 12 as representatives of Israel. Matt 24 is all tribulation.1 Thess 4 written to the church, the boCTwo different groups, two different subjects.

1st Corinthians chapter 15 and 1st Thessalonians chapter 4 give us the clearest picture as concerning the return of Christ.

The word rapture is not a biblical term.

The doctrine of the rapture was not taught by the early Christians. This theory of the rapture was developed due to false teachers who were not able to rightly divide the word. They always run to Matt 24, the book of the Revelation, and the book of Daniel in an attempt to create false beliefs and scare little lambs to death. (Christ never brought forth a message of fear for his people.) The events in Matthew 24, the book of Daniel and most of the book of the Revalation of Christ have already taken place.

Mathematics is awesome.You can pick two unrelated numbers that have significance, decide to add/subtract/multiply/divide to get number that you apply a significance to it. it is very masterful.It gets more fun and easier to apply when geometric functions are used.It reminds me of when my ,then, 2 year old got all excited when he was able to stack multiple blocks on top of each other without falling.Look, Dad, come see!!

The false prophet gog {beast from the earth} will conquer the empires on the earth and set up the mark of the image of the name of the beast as commerce worship/war. He will rule along with 10 rulers for 1335 days, until the end with the trumpets/bowls is poured out upon him.

The last time is appointed and set at 3.655 days in accordance with the fulfillment given by Messiah to the Cross and the Pentecost: 1260 days + 3 days + 40 days among nations, peoples, and languages + 32~ = 1335 = 1336 take back One.

At the time of the rapture, the Acts 2 v 38 salvation of God door Will be closed to the gentiles. If your left behind, you Will suffer the consequences with the antichrist & the destruction of this earth.

The answer to the blog question is a simple one. Christians have always faced (and will always face) persecution and tribulations from time to time. these must be endured, sometimes even unto death (e.g. Christians in Rome being fed to lions). We're supposed to endure and hold to the course.

The only difference between normal tribulations and The Great Tribulation will be one of degree (and a happy rescue out of the middle of it).

Those who RELY on being rescued may fail if they are forced to endure great tribulatations and think it's The Great One.

Some believe they will go some believe they will go though it. Some see they go in a rapture. Some see they want. Judge neither it will be according to the word either way it will deliever them from evil.

How do we know the tribulation will last 7 years?(Daniel 9:27)He will confirm a covenant with many for one seven. In the middle of the seven he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.

Dear Cluny I can sympathize with your point. I have to ask are not some of the doctrines of the Orthodox church today adopted after that time? I know some RCC doctrines were.

Dear Micha each of those events in history can better point to the Second Coming and the rapture being the same event. Particularly the Exodus. Since the people of GOD were there during the plagues and only delivered after the last one fell.

Steveng, is it such a horrible fate to die as a martyr for the Savior during the Tribulation?

If there WERE a pre-trib rapture (which there is not), then all you'd have do to know when the return of Christ comes is to count seven years, but He Himself said only the Father knew the date of His return.

Besides, the pre-trib rapture was never heard of until 1830. That means it's false.

There are examples in the Bible of this period of time, shadowed.First, Noah: For many years, he preached of the end and of salvation, but there was one point in which the door was shut by God. some were saved, all others perished.Next, Lot: vexed his soul daily in the city, yet God sent men to get him out. Some were saved, all others perished.Lastly, the Exodus: Israel went through the plagues, yet most did not harm them.They left after the first born that were not sealed the blood of the lamb were killed, and were not "out of the water" until they passed through the water.We can glean from these examples how and if there is a trib. period and a rapture apart from the second coming of our Saviour Jesus Christ.

The Revelation of jesus christ does not say a tribulation period...it says during this period, there will be great tribulation.

From what I do know of God is that he is greater than great. His power is how christians survive any times of great tribulation. Either way...I will survive. My deliverance does not depend on me and my understanding.

steveng...now let me ask you...how will you survive this period if there is no rapture?