ok im a girl and i hate the way we are presented in mangas....i,e the fact that we are portrayed as weak, whining creatures who need protection
i mean PLEASE i can stand up for myself when needed...i think

I for one hate the way most guys are presented in manga and anime. We are either rampaging perverts or weak, whiny, helpless, unattractive mutations of humanity, but then again I guess that is why they call it, uh, gee, I don't know... FICTION

Shit's not supposed to represent boys and girls accurately, just entertainingly.

ok im a girl and i hate the way we are presented in mangas....i,e the fact that we are portrayed as weak, whining creatures who need protection
i mean PLEASE i can stand up for myself when needed...i think

I for one hate the way most guys are presented in manga and anime. We are either rampaging perverts or weak, whiny, helpless, unattractive mutations of humanity, but then again I guess that is why they call it, uh, gee, I don't know... FICTION

Shit's not supposed to represent boys and girls accurately, just entertainingly.

I totally get what you mean...but that's the problem for me. It's not entertaining and that's the reason why i used to complain. But i've stopped watching and reading Shoujo so i don't care much anymore .

ok im a girl and i hate the way we are presented in mangas....i,e the fact that we are portrayed as weak, whining creatures who need protection
i mean PLEASE i can stand up for myself when needed...i think

I for one hate the way most guys are presented in manga and anime. We are either rampaging perverts or weak, whiny, helpless, unattractive mutations of humanity, but then again I guess that is why they call it, uh, gee, I don't know... FICTION

Shit's not supposed to represent boys and girls accurately, just entertainingly.

I totally get what you mean...but that's the problem for me. It's not entertaining and that's the reason why i used to complain. But i've stopped watching and reading Shoujo so i don't care much anymore .

I know what you mean. I still find myself getting a tad offended sometimes even when I try to rationalize that its just fictitious entertainment. It's all good.

Yeah, I don't mind super-feminine characters, or really meek or weak characters. I hate characters that are completely inept and super whiney.
For example, I like most shoujo characters (even some harem anime girls.) But as was mentioned on the first page... Girls that are completely helpless and inept like Miaka from Fushigi Yuugi... They're just terrible characters. I can deal with weak. (That happens. It's believable, I guess.) I give up once they are completely inept and useless. There's just no redeeming quality...
This goes double for characters that are so inept that they are constantly falling over. (Here and there clumsiness happens. When it's all-the-time clumsy ineptitude, it's just terrible.)

counter-point~
Weak girl characters that I actually like, or at least don't hate:
Sasami from Tenchi Muyo: weak, but skilled, and one of the most rational character in the series. (Same with Kasumi from Ranma 1/2)
Makoto and Shiori from Kanon: both weak, but one is an amusing prankster, and the other is an artist, and both have decent reasons why they are weak or inept at things, and the large backstory to them makes up for this.
Most of the girls in Azumanga Daioh: why? It's Azumanga Daioh. It's hilarious. Same goes for the anime, Pani-poni Dash.
As for the idiot characters...:
Excel from Excel Saga: Brilliant pop/anime culture references by the author save her reputation. She's not weak (she's a construction worker!) but she is an idiot. But she's too cheerful & energetic to let her weak points get the best of her.

Pretty much any annoying, scheming, or conceited clingy girl who thinks she's the greatest thing on earth, thus she has the right to screw up a relationship between the main heroine and her boyfriend. SO SELFISH.

Have you ever read the Sailor Moon manga?

Because Chibiusa is a completely different character there. The producers REALLY messed up her personality in the anime, and made her so annoying and almost unbearable. However, in the manga she's very loving, kind and sweet and always ready to help others.