Michael: I studied medicine, and I did research, and I did technology things all the time on the side, and while doing research I realised that a lot of people are not good at dealing with data, so I thought it would be good to help them, to teach them to how to do this. I was able to do research my colleagues couldn’t. After a detour I ended up with the School of Data from the Open Knowledge Foundation where we aim to teach how to do things with data to journalists and to charity organisations.

Nabeelah: How did you end up at the School of Data and the Open Knowledge Foundation and how did you become interested in particular in teaching people like journalists?