The new is out, Gypsy Band reset (once again) SOLAR FLEET – relations are now degraded to a NIP status.

Gypsy Band Reset on SOLAR FLEET

We spoke to Blaster Worm from Gypsy Band who explained that a reset had been made already a month ago, but blue standings were reestablished when the Geminate campaign kicked in for SOLAR FLEET. The campaign against NCDOT and Ev0ke did not came without protest from Gypsy Band leadership, but the last straw seemed to be the fact that recently SOLAR FLEET has been cooperating with the Deklein Coalition and the attack on NCDOT lands in Geminate did not sit well with Gypsy Band leadership.

So the NIP is on, and the relations remain quite tense with MACTEP (SOLAR leader) being thrown out of his comfort zone by the reset.

Gypsy Band’s new (and reduced) blues list is in place. The blue list includes the DOT Bros – namely NCDOT, Black Legion., NULLI, IRC and the other usual suspects.

In order to understand Gypsy Band’s disgust toward GoonSwarm Federation, here is a exclusive translation of the original post in EVE-RU made by Blaster Worm, thanks to the Red Orchestra for helping us out with this:

A View on GoonSwarm Hegemony.

Blaster starts the post with a quote from -A-‘s Evil Thug:

I`m surprised when people are talking about goons without mentioning their main dignity. It`s not leadership (that not so good) and nor their FCs (pile of pilots who`s got ass kicked by BoB in different period of life). It`s their major feeding base – somethingawful.com. This feeding base is something that keeps them together and makes it hard to eliminate them.
– Evil Thug.

Four years ago above mentioned could be viewed as a description of conditions that existed those days. But things have changed now.

Four years ago core-goons were dominating power in alliance; their pubbies were small and had no influence. Goons were active players, but they had no coalition so they were attracting mighty coalitions like NC (PL was also NC satellite alliance by that time) on their side. Goons were huge meat shield that friendly alliances in various fights. Goons were trying to take maximum from that symbiosis. Blob in US TZ in exchange for sov. There are many cases that I witnessed: Red Alliance used goons (Red Swarm Federation) in fight against BoB. NC installed Goons in Delve after Detorid campaign failed and Haargot betrayed.

So having that big piece of “meat” that had no past and no future in EVE, bound by out of game connections was factor that could not be calculated in classic eve warfare – Hit morale, hit sov and alliance is dead.

Many things changed since then.

First, a Symbiotic alliance growing on bodies of stronger coalitions showed power of killing it`s naïve donors. Goons caused UNL death and Red Alliance degradation in 2009-2010. They dragged RA into war on their side and then bailed leaving them to die. Torn apart and exhausted Russian alliance couldn`t recover after that – UNL died, Red Alliance became Legion of xXDEATHXx satellite – GSF partner. Goons literally turned their senior ally into pet.

Goons were one of the reasons the Northern Coalition died. The NC died without getting ANY help from alliance they saved in Delve bloodbath, helped them to recover from fiasco and gave space to live in – Deklein (was given to Goons for free by Tau Ceti Federation [TCF]). Goons let Drone Russian Federation hire Pandemic Legion, assemble massive blob of Raiden./NCDOT and eastern Russian alliances, thus letting to concentrate non-NC force on one front – Geminate and Vale of Silent. They waited for NC to die, so Goons could take their land, moons and pilots.

It`s enough to have a look on their corporations list: Corporations having TOP numbers are all members of different ex-Northern Coalition alliances. Their pets are organized exactly the same way – FCON, Razor Alliance and others. They are remnants of alliances/corporations that were defeated in different wars for various regions and then brought down together under GSF flag. They absorbed everyone who defeated, broken and now are willing to have revenge. Everyone, who`s ready to carry pet tag just to have his vengeance. They all praise “New Order”, “New guarantor of stability”, “New space policeman”.

But this is only first reason showing things have changed.

Second and most important. Goons were first who started creating out of game pressure machine on CCP Games. They are using mainly two approaches for this.

First Approach – CCP Sreegs manager, responsible for security :facepalm: EX-CEO (?) of GSF Darius Johnson. Goons and fairplay? Are you delusional? We can all see consequences: Goons buying cobalt month before tech nerf patch details were announced. War in south weeks before new alchemy was introduced etc. All other alliances have their clowns in CSM and pathetic forum trolls but Goons have an insider in CCP team – and their interests in game are strictly counted.

Second Approach – Forum harassment machine created by Mittani, that works on eve-o forums and other online resources. Main target of this machine is CCP of course, who should be always aware that voice of GSF = Voice of players base. CCP was caught pants down when monocle patch caused player base perplexity. All of a sudden “Leader of Masses” came up on scene out of nowhere. He used his forum trolls to claim “wrath of masses” as his deeds and used it to crash CCP’s independence in decision making. Since then CCP is quiet and a bit afraid of that “wrath”, they lost their will. We could see that in famous story of Mittani’s ban. CCP gave that retard a tribune, but then (after being scared of “wrath of masses”) made pseudo-punishment.

So right now GSF is more than just alliance/social network. It’s PR project and machine for subjugating Eve Online resources and players, build on all type of shit and dirt: exploiting, backstabbing, lies and harassment. Many pilots, who were broken, lost will in themselves, being unable to find place in game on their own are uniting under the GSF flag. Because they are sure that they will always win, using all above mentioned in and out of game mechanics. Blob without any interest for good fight, without any will of a good and exciting play, without any will of searching for their path in this game on its own, without any dignity or self-respect – This is a blob that need only resources, territory, people for keeping grunts brainwashed. An alliance, where all free players are suppressed and ridiculed.

I like conflict I’m in now. It’s amazing. this is a game with maximum difficulty. This is war against something that is killing this game and for something that really justifies war: self-respect, freedom and dignity.

– Blaster Worm on Eve-RU

Analysis – Favorite Sons

The biggest loser on this reset is SOLAR FLEET, Gypsy Band was arguably SOLAR’s best asset to the point of being considered SOLAR’s enforcers by their enemies and it is not just for the professional russian bombers (one of the best in game) but for their revered Tengu fleet capabilities – I have heard hubris-filled FC’s praising them hat in hand. But the reset isn’t about getting SOLAR FLEET and allies as fresh targets but to explicitly fight and show a distrust to GoonSwarm Federation, their allies and all they represent. The above post make a lot of sense if you know a bit of EVE Online history and while Goons propagandists will overload their “Reality Distortion Fields” on this, you don’t need a bitter vet badge to simply google and cross check facts.

The DOT Brothers gain a wildcard here, although you won’t find joint ops between BAND and DOT Bros. – having them harassing the same enemies is certainly a good thing for them.

As for the Deklein Coalition’s outlook, unless something truly extraordinary happens the outlook will be the same – the slow grind in Tribute (five weeks already) with massive numbers will keep going and although station systems have proven to be a tough nut to crack, the numbers game will finally impose itself.

One fact which had been overlooked by Blaster Worm’s post is how CCP Games had during the last year systematically disarmed and nerfed which ever tool a small corp could use to combat massive numbers. Whether it be the super-capital’s nerf or the tracking on Titans just to cite a few examples, smaller alliances were deprived from tools to actually have a chance against the blob. On the other hand, it is doubtful if much needed nerfs for cheap and overpowered ships (for their class) like Drakes and Maelstroms (which deployment is limited more on ally logistics stress than anything else) will ever see the light of the day. I find hard to foresee CCP Games to make any move which would affect 40,000 of their paying customers, even if it goes in detriment of Eve Online as a game.

You can take whole EVE with a lot of bad players – The Mittani

This statement couldn’t be more true as a testament of how EVE Online gameplay has been degraded to having a thousand players pressing the F1 key and as long CCP Games maintains a complacent view on their “favorite sons”, this current state of corroded gameplay will remain.

Agent Smith: Why, Mr. Anderson? Why do you do it? Why get up? Why keep fighting? Do you believe you're fighting for something? For more than your survival? Can you tell me what it is? Do you even know? Is it freedom? Or truth? Perhaps peace? Yes? No? Could it be for love? Illusions, Mr. Anderson. Vagaries of perception. The temporary constructs of a feeble human intellect trying desperately to justify an existence that is without meaning or purpose. And all of them as artificial as the Matrix itself, although only a human mind could invent something as insipid as love. You must be able to see it, Mr. Anderson. You must know it by now. You can't win. It's pointless to keep fighting. Why, Mr. Anderson? Why? Why do you persist?

Wrong . It is a MMO if you loose a battle you move on. You can not make somone stop playing EVE as much as you CFC fucks think you can. Hell you turds think you can make people kill themselves. Keep fueling your shit talk so more and more pilots hate your guts.

Thats not completely true
CFC is the bad guys, not cause they are winning, but because of the way they are playing the game..
In my book CFC ppl are a bunch of bloody idiots and the reason for that is the way they play.

You Blue everyone and become so big both politically and size wise that its join goons or stay in HISEC/WH for younger players.

We as NCDOT would take players who are 20 mil SP if hey were smart and could learn to PVP, But as a 20 mi lSP player you need a constant source of income, GSF provides that and SMaller way way better PVPers cant, we usually are Nomads who go and fight where ever we can.

Could you be more fucking butthurt about the CFC? We all know you joined NC. (god knows they need the propaganda) but what the fuck is this? Great to see 'journalism' finding it's way across new eden in a subjective format for once.

PS about the tracking titans: yes, I TOTALLY agree, a 300 man alliance, with 300 titans is in fact ok to hold their own against a 1200 man fleet. Yes, that is what 'l33t' means.

Does NCdot need the propaganda? Really? Everyone outside of the CFC is rooting for NCdot and lauding them as great warriors fighting against impossible odds. If anyone need propaganda now it's CFC.

The funny thing is that before this war everyone hated NCdot. They still do but they hate CFC more. That's a change. I'm speaking of people outside of the CFC obviously as the CFC grunts are being spoonfed propaganda and believes it every day.

NCdot is not fighting CFC, but loosing to them horribly. No matter how hard they execute their neckbeard chestbeating, they will follow the rest of l33t craplords such as MM, Brick Squad, Raiden and etc. Bye NC. Thanks for stopping by in nullsec. Come back when you get better in PVP

You do know that calling someone a retard is not a valid argument, right?

On the other hand I remember that the CFC had to wait for the Titan nerf to take raiden. down so Im gonna guess that it was not really CFC that took them down but CCP since they disarmed their fleets.

Now you are going to say something about "titans were too OP" and so forth and at that I will answer that a ship that needs so much skill points to fly it perfectly should be able to handle more than a few SUB-CAPITALS!

If the CFC was what they claim to be then they would commit 1000 or more dreads to take down those titans and then take NC. space like a boss and tell them that they were not "l33t pvpiers" but just a guys with just not enough power to stop CFC.

It really doesn't. I mean fuck all our FC's make it perfectly clear we are retards. The real difference is nobody cares about calling ourselves 1337 pvpers and everyone is having fun.

September 12, 2012 at 3:13 am

Lube

i'm unanchoring your modules, renaming your stations, owning your moons… like a boss. And you? oh yeah you're good in pvp. The best!!! never seen anyone like that. I'm impressed. Throw me some youtube video so I can learn from the masters. Thanks.http://us12.memecdn.com/bitch-please-got-real_o_2…

September 11, 2012 at 10:30 pm

Justchecking

NERF THE TITANS MORE!
Titans should be able to bridge only and at that only at a few systems range!!!111!!11!!1!
Nef those supper carriers!!111!!!! They must be able to just hit a titan with 2-3 bombers only!!!111!!11
Nerf Dreads! They should be able to only hit P.O.S!!11!!11!
Nerf Carriers!!!11!!! They should be just to grind the lowest anomalies!11!!!11!!
(Sarcasm)

The main reason all the l33t alliances have the CFC as a problem is because they can't pull their heads out of their asses long enough to figure out why everything smells and taste like shit. If the dotBros would form a stable relationship with -A-'s team they'd have the numbers they need to combat the CFC. If the CFC is that big of a threat then sacrificing goodfites in the short term for the elimination of the CFC in the long term should be a well worth tradeoff. Apparently a real relationship between the two organizations aside from the occasional bombing run isn't happening because of past relations or water head sized egos.

Yeah, this is the main problem. Being good at pvp or having a lot of skillpoints isn't enough to get people to rally behind someone.

Two or three months ago ncdot could've handed over a few tech in geminate and they would've had drone region support. Or they could have made amends with Raiden. They could have organised with a- as well. I'm not sure what happened with TMA, SONE, Unthinkables and Broken Toys either.

The issue is that the only valid gameplay is to have a big coalition so far.

September 11, 2012 at 4:59 pm

shs

And that is a feature of thhhhhe game that has always existed and always will exist.

September 15, 2012 at 11:48 am

Scar

In that case why are they complaining about getting blobbed ? I'm not understanding what you're saying. It seems you want a small force to fight a larger force cause that would show how pro you are compared to noobs. Yet you complain when your small force isn't enough to counter the noob blob in important fights. It would seem to me you have 2 options.

1.) Fight against the blob winning in small skirmish fights but losing in large important sov related fights but keeping your small goodfites mentality alive.

2.) Form a temp. coalition similar to the one that destroyed the NC and kill what you see as the problem sacrificing your goodfites for the long term goal of breaking up the CFC.

Either way I don't see how complaining about something that isn't going to change anytime soon is going to help you. You either want to beat the enemy or fight them forever outnumbered winning battles but always losing the war.

Nobody likes tidi fights, so forming temp coailitions likly will never happen, in reality it's on CCP to change something, or GSF to do resets, or everything will stay as is, stagnation, and blue blobs on sov. map.

September 11, 2012 at 7:35 pm

Scar

You're going to get Tidi fights regardless since the other side is going to bring 500-1000 people regardless of how many you bring . . . you're just going to lose the Tidi fights. The only way in the real world and in Eve to change things is to be on the winning side so that your suggestions sound like suggestions rather than whining.

September 12, 2012 at 2:47 am

anonymous

Really because Goons were losing and they whined constantly until CCP nerfed titans.

September 12, 2012 at 5:01 am

Grunts hate you too

You haven't noticed when you bring 800+ dudes to a system people just dock up? It's been CFC's strategy ever since tidi was implemented, they are the only group that can tidi a system on demand, and nobody finds tidi fights exciting, or fun what-so-ever, the argument could be made that nobody can win versus fleets that field 800+ pilots, and that's true also, but by and large people don't mind fighting even when they don't think they can hold the field, they just go for the fun of good fights, and there in lies the problem, nobody finds tidi fights fun.

By the way before you say something stupid like I'm complaining about blobs… I really couldn't care less if you blob a system like that to take the objective, but I'm also not going to subject myself to tidi fights on purpose. I pay money to play this game, and I don't pay to do that stuff, I'd soon quit playing eve then join a huge coalition with the intent to do tidi fights every evening.

Even worse . . . how does it feel to lose to a shit alliance ? It's like laughing at a guy raping you and asking how it feels to rape a dude while you're the one getting fucked.

September 12, 2012 at 2:49 am

Sympathies

Losing,you mean the tech and 2 stations taken wololol AMAZING its almost got to the point of being a hollow victory,not yet though. The real winners here are the guys having fun. Dotbros I salute you o7

September 12, 2012 at 1:09 pm

Guy

(It's 4 stations and 23 systems now)

September 12, 2012 at 1:42 pm

OTEC

Bob were the real winners too. They were having fun as well. Oh look, no more Bob….

September 13, 2012 at 5:43 am

Disillusioned

Myself, I find complaining about blobs to be more than half the entertainment the game offers. Having a bigger coalition would get in the way of that.

Only people who carry on whining about elitists are those that are shit at eve. Dotbros don't need to boast, as has been clearly shown there actions have more impact than any words. Just a shame that free alliances have heads stuck up there asses. All the whining about if they had given a few tech moons blah blah. Solar attacked nc. Solar could have all the bleeding tech the greedy fucks wanted if they defeated cfc, but there vision goes as far as whoring a few moons disgracing themselves & shooting themselves in their own foot. cfc will come for you be it 3 or 6 months down the line from end of this war. Sorry but i find solar absolutely hularious.

-A- and NC. are not the best friends, but when it comes to Goons, they worked together in past. Thats not the problem. The major key though to get -A- involved in the north is PL. As long as PL is in Delve helping Test, -A- cant leave. And I m pretty sure the Goons have a hand or two in that , because you can clearly see that PL are not here to have a good time, its rather an attempt to keep -A- bound to the south. Without PL, Test would loose their space as fast as Goons took it, but that won't happen as long as PL plays the defender role.

Dude if Solar came we wold fight with them in a second. NCDOT isnt turning down help, we just arent dick licking like GSF does and acting like the cool kids in highschool to do so.

Seriously have anyone see how Mittens acts like at the CSM, He is a horrible attention whore who loves to act like hes king nerd…..Huge Ego and I bet he got laid 3 times in highschool. Lol

Anyways we dont want to fight PL that i why we havent went with AAA, but Solar has no reason not to fight with us….Its them who has there head in there ass…..Ok so we killed some ships ofyours and fought before, stop crying this is Eve, so mount up and fight the real threat because sooner or later Xdeath is gonna want BOTland/Renterland/What they think is there space and when goons breaks through its Solar who loses.

Think about it NCDOT has been homeless more times than I can count and we are fine, a group like Solar will fail cascade without its revenue from renters, they have sooooooo much SOV bills no good moons and the good moons they have will get taken forst week by CFC, Solar is a Alli based on space just like GSF, NCDO T isnt, just like PL we can make anywhere our home,, so Solar better think about that…..XDEATH+GSF+Entire North is coming, IRC made the right call, now Gypsy….If you dont, you are stupid.

u mention titan and super nerf's and small corp /alliances… ok they pul out 3 titans and x amount of supers, how many do you think the CFC can field… alot more… and once theres supers to kill everyone logs in so that statement is miss leading…

well they have them and they use them, Now..
CFC didnt use their titans or supers when they were fighting Raiden, PL and NC. for 1 reason alone, they wanted to show how hard it was to be cfc and CCP should have pity on them and nerf the titan…
Now that theres no one to threaten them they can use them cause now they got what they wanted and theres no risk involved

They were fighting titans, and CFC had the brilliant idea of using perma MWD drakes, they not only didn't try to negate the damage from XL gun, they actually started using ships that had the sig. for a dread to try and counter them? Then sent their huge coalition to the forums to cry.

correction cfc could field , history (even recent one) shows that the blob doesnt use their suppers unless you wouldnt need them anyways , or to kill structures (and be able to claim "we be pro , we be using titans ")

I couldn't have said it better myself. CFC are a bunch of cowards. Gots mad e-respect for Gypsy Band. They would prefer to throw their middle fingers towards the massive blob and say…lick on deez nuts. But whateves. Test and goons provide many targets and I would be lying if I said that the PVP wasn't good. So yeah. Here's a big middle finger to the cowards who call themselves goons and pets.

alot of what was posted on the russian forum is pretty true, except i wouldn't doubt Sreegs. Its more likely stofferninjapirate aka soundwave leaked information (most likely not even intentional) than Sreegs.

Riv's analysis however is the same bullshit as ever,
nerfing the titans was to stop wn/raiden/pl, not to stop goons,
and the tier3 battlecruisers are a direct boost to goons play style when it came out,
cheap lowskill battleship sized dps.

Lol..this is why CFC is who they are, because of all the massive tears and attention they receive.. Yeah I don't "like" them as much as the next guy, anyone who thinks massive blue lists = winning is a scrub, but still. Give it a rest already and fight em or just stop whining

cant speak russian, wouldnt of been able to read this if it wasnt for en24 posting it, happy they did.
like it or not gypsy band resetting solar for being fuckwits and joining goons swarm of pets is news

Fully agree with the whole post, While i am on the solar side in this war. All solar wants is Geminate. But instead of NC. giving up the 15 or so tech moons in Geminate. They are being stubborn and over stressing its members by fighting a 2 front war. They could just give up Geminate ( since they have already lost all of its sov anyways) and put 100% against goons. I'm sure NC. members would love some breaks inbetween the blob fights. Solar just wants geminate right now. Not the destruction of NC. Goons want all of tribute and vale and the destruction of NC. One threat seems far greater than the other. I would love to fight goons but not with an ally that doesn't have the forsight to make proper diplomatic decisions for the greater long term goals.

Ok tell me when solar is constantly shooting its self in the foot. Who is the real loser out of all 3 coalitions…Solar they lose all respect, a disgrace in 6months lose their space to cfc hoarde all because Mactep is a stubborn ass. Dotbros gain most out of this conflict lots of fun epic fights, making goons. Leed for every inch. Goons are better off than solar as they will if solar doesn't change it's tune eventually take tribute most hollow of victories iv ever known, and then stab solar in the back in 6months. As history and logic dictates Solar are actually in long run going to lose the most. When cfc is repelled and even gone, then be more than enough tech for greedy solar to have. Instead solar regain what they lost from dotbros, wich dotbros were happy to let happen, but now try and vulture more tech. It's the pinnacle of stupidity.

So just cause NC. dot is losing to CFC Solar deserver to get all of Geminate for free? What great logic you have massa…
Solar should be happy with taking back the stuff they lost last time they got curb stombed, not taking the whole Region cause they are first class Arses..

Who is to say GSF and Solar both know once NCdot are eliminated that they won't be at odds.
If Solar really has a troubled past with NC., better to get them out of the way right now rather than be betrayed while fighting GSF eventually.

Personally, as a grunt fighting in the war in the South, I wouldn't mind seeing NCdot defeating GSF. But what I'd really like is for NCdot to step up their diplomacy game and get Solar on their side.

Respect to GSF for their marketing ability, and creating the organization that they have, enemy or ally, that is an impressive feat. But after fighting CFC and GSF for as long as I have been, I wouldn't want to be a part of them or have allied interests with them, not my brand of punch.

Solar would last a few weeks. As they let down too many people so far, SoCo dotbros free alliances. It is upto Solar to sort their lives out. Do they want to be fighting cfc on their own or do they want to get head out of ass and get this war machine going.

Na, they're fish. Ev0ke and other cloaky campers kinda prove that. I get minimum 15 kills a day with little to no losses per WEEK. I especially gotta love those tengus who are so blinged out, but a 400 DPS loki can take them out. lol

Now, is it just me, or is SOLAR good for nothing but jumping in on the winning side. They jumped in with -A- when they started beating back RA, and now they side themselves with CFC when they start (slowly) pushing back NC.

SOLAR is kidding themselves if they think the CFC will let them have Geminate. Tech may not be the space gold it is now, but it's still worth a shit ton.

If SOLAR dont have a NIP/NAP with GSFIII then its only a matter of time. GSFIII needs stuff to keep the thousands of players happy and provide content. The only thing left after this is the East. They wont go south due to the other 1/2 of GSFIII pets, so the only play left is where IRC/SOLAR live.

Fucking CCP REALLY SCREWED UP WITH THE WARDECK SYSTEM HANDING GOONS A Gold Key INTO HISEC not only did CCP OVERNERF dogpiling to the point it'd cost trillions to ally against any big Goon-like alliance at the behest of GOONs & the current NULL CSM but with the 500 million a week cost of Wardecc's now Goons are running willy nilly thruout hi sec ganking w/o a worry obeing warkdecked due to the outragous costs!
The past 2-3 years of SPACERICH NULL dominated CSM's have made a starting small corp in null incredibly tuff with the anom nerfs and drone regions languishing due to shit drone drops & 'plexes on thier watch. Now HI SEC nerfs are next on CCP's list to nerf. If the disenfrachised base which makes up a majority of Eve does not rise up soon learn to enjoy the yoke of Goon & w/e spacerich NULL SEC alliance Tyranny throughout Eve except in WH's.

another example of old guard russian leader who didnt understand that eve is mainly about politics…
or understood too late.

gameplay is fucked ? hell no . eve conquerable warfare never have been about leet pvp. low sec is meant for that.

nerf this , nerf that … hey , why dont you start thinking about what you can do yourself to improve and adapt to sov warfare ? just an example : would you remove your idiotic minimum sp requirement so you could enlarge your member base ?

New order lol,theres always been a Hitler in EVE and its Adolf Mittler at this moment in time. And like all blobbing scrub coalitions they may win with mass odds,but show no heart,no inspiration in any fights…at all.
On the other hand,Dotbros having most fun that anybody could be having in EVE at this moment in time. Lots & lots of kills,while CFC get there Kills from structure mails,ahahaa no wonder CFC player base are getting fed up of being structure shooting slaves.

you must be talking before conquerable space, back to curse alliance days… when all nowdays russian leaders where in the same alliance… none did successfully adapt to changes in eve.

anyway , the game is what it is now . you adapt you win , you dont you loose .

its surprising no one did anything to counter cfc on the politique side , nor the propaganda side. maybe all our so called great leaders were too busy rmting their capfleet , like -A- leadership did.
maybe they were too leet players and didnt need those supers anyway.

Let Spies, Newbs and retards in no matter what as long as they can press F1 and train a Drake.

And your whole "LOSEC IS ELITE PVP" is funny, the only reason people can say this is because the smaller numbers, but if you look at NCDOT`s KB there are as many kills using 5-20 members as there is from fleets, we do small stuff all the time, its the mindless retards with 800k SP you want in our alliances so bad who HAVE TO USE A BLOB to fight us.

What you dont seem to grasp is in Eve there should be Corps with low SP reqs and those like ours with super high standards, but gameplay wise it should take the 4 low SP guys to equal 1 great guy, but it doesnt.

In a war where 1 side has a AVG of 80 mil SP and other side has 20 Mil SP the game needs to make it so in order to have a 50/50 Skill only [Not SP, SP just means you have been in game longer but good fighters are GF since they stated game] they should need 4x more ships for it to be an even fight.

The answer to the mass Blue Blob is simple. JB`s can only be used by persons in a Alliance, no blues allowed, this would make 70% of CFC blob actually have to travel to fight and not just hope over 3 jumps.

Next just like Wardeccing costs money so should Allying, Official allies would have to register and the more numbers you got the more you would have to pay. We have to declare who we are at war with why not who we are truly allied to?

Until there is some down side to having 45k members all holding hands, EVE is broken.

This was a problem with the NC, DRF and now GSF and for a newb who cant [doesnt have exp] but wants to fight where will he go? Eve-U or CFC

This guys is a risk vs reward model game…..Tell me whats the risk in banding 45k members together and controlling 3/4 of Eve`s wealth and not be able to be opposed by anyone?
Hell like most people said upper Tenal, Branch, and ESP DEKCO it is way way safer than Jita.
40 jumps through hostile space of course you goonies are safe. And rather than realize you let the NC die for more moons for yourselves and your allies like FA/FCON TEST all who you promised moons, they join your cause….Its a joke.

Yes Eve is broken, everything in Eve has a cost to a benefit, otherwise we cold track frigates in dreads, or have Tec in Hi-Space, so tell me what ship in game is more powerful than 45k Members? And please answer me this, what downside does having those 45k of different corps/alli`s have for using this mighty tool? A Titan is 80 bil and is unsafe after its DD, a BS sized guns are very hard to hit smaller hips with, what major downf all does having 45k allies who can and do use the same JB`s who sell to eachother as though they were one and be able to Dock anywhere in all of Blue space…..WHERE IS THE DOWNSIDE?

puting a downside to large coalition of noobs ? this is maybe interesting. but this would be at the opposite of the only rule in eve online : the players makes the game what it is.
and for now , a large part of the players is happy to fly together and destroy drakes , throwing them at funny angry bitter vets …

maybe if your FCs weren't yelling at the grunts , you would have more numbers in fleet , i've heard that irc was not comming in NCdot fleet much more, because of that.

and also , if you guys require 80M sp for being in your alliance, dont be surprise that you have less numbers than a no minimum sp coalition.

well , i dunno , is it that hard to understand ? elite = less numbers , by definition.

Solar are actually the cause for stopping irc main numbers, but twinkey rage is something they are getting used to. All other Fcs are manageable rage wise and quite funny. Lol. Some of the Best FCs in eve I'd wager.

Ncdot having very good FCs is not a question, we all know that, as we all know the dotbros are so far the toughest opponents in recent cfc history.

but please make them stop crying about the blob . i think they did blob enough themself in the war against -A- . is it that far so everybody in NCdot had forgotten already ?

September 12, 2012 at 12:43 am

Old School

And you won't get them to agree with that either..

September 12, 2012 at 2:08 am

Dotta

Because truth is they wernt there fighting for or with Blobs on the regular but doing there 80 man roams.

If you look at 75% of there kills its 60 people or less.

It wasnt busting SOV or trying to wipe out a Alliance, it was to fight. Also Stainwagon would never ever let them get taken.

September 12, 2012 at 10:07 pm

Dohh

Old Timer dude,I honestly wish you new a little of what you talk about. I was In a 150 man NC. abaddon fleet against 450 -A- ROL & Pets Geddon Fleet,we found them for an hour straight on the gate @ 0 and killed the majority of the -A- Led fleet. -A- forces more often than not outnumbered us at least 2to1,dude your dumb.
There ofc have been times when NC. have been equal to outnumbering enemy,this is VERY rare though.

September 12, 2012 at 10:41 pm

Common sense

You need to read more of what he says. He never says its 80 mil SP minimum, he is saying there avg SP is 80 million.

Also hes not saying outlaw Blobs of Drakes fighting smaller more SP`d players he is saying make SP points a sort of measuring stick.

For instance he said 4 10 mil Drakes vs 1 40 mil SP HellCat should be a very very even match assuming both are the same competence. I think hes right on.

This would mean if they brought 50 mil worth of SP they would have 1/5th more advantage, given even pilots with different SP

Since everything in Eve is Risk vs Reward vs Time why should 4 players playing Eve 6 months easily with no losses beat a guy who has put in 2 years and has alot more expierience and to boot alot more talent…..This is what is so great about MWO, you could fight a Atlas heavy mech vs 3 Jenners and the fight can go wither way its based off skill, game perks from playing and did I mention skill.

Like he said how does 45k Blues which is the most powerful force int the game [makes PL Fleet look sad] But PL risks those ships pay huge amounts to fuel them and pays 80 bilion a pop and there pilotsspent 1.5 years of perfect skiling to do it….So why in the world should being blue and being able to use blue Jump bridges and blue POS etc be free? It shouldnt, it should cost 5x more than PL fleet because its 5x more effective and or take a x5 skill to level 5 for each player use those stations, POS`s, JB`s.

Sorry but there is no refuting that, Risk vs Reward vs Time put in and compared to a Titan using Stations you dont own, using POS`s and JB`s you dont own is way more valuble and costs nothing more than the owners of those items.

Also IRC didnt not form up because that, they were way more upset getting killed on the way over. Also PL sounds just like NCDOT`s FC`s or -A-`s anyone with guys who really wanna win will get there blood pumping. IRC will thank NCDOT later for making them better fighters than Goons 1v1. Its a proven fact everyone who ever flew with NCDOT for longer than a few months has been made better, Even BL who was good PVPers became great between the time NCDOT moved in and fought BL to when they blued up and fought together.

This guy was right on, let 45k members be on one team and share all resources but remain seperate entities, just charge them the equal amount to how powerful those 45k men are.

puting a downside to large coalition of noobs ? this is maybe interesting. but this would be at the opposite of the only rule in eve online : the players makes the game what it is.

If this were true, why not just give Titans out, its totally player ran right?

Because by not charging anything to use others JB`s/Stations/POS etc its better than a titan but free.

Simple they made caps on Corp numbers etc for a reason.
In Eve its formed into Corps not being enough and a alliance is basically a corp, now coalitions are basically alliances. This is broken as a mechanic

NC. didnt piss off anyone. CFC wants to riun the game and control all of the game. They make excuses and dips like you believe every word they say. Please take all of Null and watch what CCP. Their hand will be forced to change. Like example of what they could do is treaties could break power block coalitions. Treaties could limit the number of blues and cost ungodly amounts after so many. Or sov prices go threw the roof. Sov price for all of null should be so outrageous that it should never be considered. The cost should go up per number of systems held. Gud fights are not gud when in Tidi. I hav been in them. They suck better but still suuuuuuuuuucccccccckkkkk.

Lol everyone around them…..You mean CFC was planning on attacking after moon nerf then had some tiny fight and decided it broke OTEC…..Also Everyone around them lol, Tell me what did NCDOT do to FA? Monkeys? Lawn? Exec? Convicted?

See a pattern, GSF owns you pets, so by pissing off 1 terribad alliance we piss of 45k guys and 20+ ALliances,.

A Alli with 155 corps 9k Members cant fight us on there own so they need all the Tools in the bag to come fight…..You pets bring 10x more per Alli than GSF does to a fight.

Lol Serious why do you guys even have ALlliances like FA/Monkeys /Lawn/RZR/XDeath? Why not Name it GSF, GSFReserve, GSF3rd Division etc ec just like World of Tanks? Thats what they essentially are and they show up more than goons do to fights like UMI and others and then they get the moons and SOV after you pets fought…..Wow really great Alli`s

He used his forum trolls to claim “wrath of masses” There was no need to claim it was masses. When you can get almost 1k players in each market hub simultaneously trying to crash those nodes and of those thousands of players many in BS or better a handful were goons. In fact I can't remember seeing a single null sec alliance that mattered not show up. They said everyone was mad because any one who could be bothered to post on the forums or riot in game was mad. As far. As the rest of your post goes, its pretty damn accurate.

Actually i was in NC during the time DRF invaded.
I have been in GSF after that, but i decided to leave it.
I always felt GSF abandoned NC, they however did show up for fight tho, in the beginning, but only with like 200 guys or something.
Not really much if you see what they are fielding nowadays.
So yea they did abandon NC after things went south, cut a deal with DRF probably and took over.
Not surprisingly, when Morsus Mihi was trying to deploy into delve, CFC did everything in their power to moaw them down.
Morsus Mihi, the former ally, who actually gave GSF their chance to shine, together with RAZOR and other NC alliances, got fucked in the buttski.

Bottom line, GSF playing a very smart and strategic game and almost every alliance leader is to dumb to see this happening, or dont care as long as they get some leftovers.

Was recently in FA. I've been on the receiving end of these fights with Dotbros. Lost many ships as well

Left FA recently as am fed up of losing ships regardless of reinbursements,don't want to be in a turkey shoot every other fleet,after so many loses things are clearer.Shooting damn Pos's & SBU's TCU's all the time has drained the life out of me,don't play the game to do this shit in majority of fleets.
Respect Dotbros they are very good at what they do.Problem is though applying to NC. is impossible,so its kinda gay for the lower end of the spectrum SP guy.
Trying there allies,prefer to be having fun than not,a personal choice.
Alot of propaganda in CFC is spoon fed,was great at 1st,but with everything happening,theres been a fair few voicing why its taken so long & what the point of all this is when its not actually fun.

Wait until this war is over. Get as many kills as you can in the meantime and apply when NCdot isn't directly fighting CFC anymore. At least have a couple of months in another alliance that isn't currently hostile with the dotbros. There's lots of good smaller PvP alliances out there.

Dotbros fighting while getting blobbed by slowcats to bail CFC out from failing in there anti AHAC ships LOL http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?brid=12814
To Polish off a Typical CFC Victory also,3to1 odds,using blap dreads & carriers also,lol sooo bad. http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?brid=12813
Now Please tell me when has CFC ever been part of a single victory wich would be able to contend with these??? Thought so…

LOL maybe Solar will wake up like Gypsy has and realize GOONS wait till you are alone and al lyour petential alli`s have left and then they get there 15 buddies and gangbang you.

Funny part is Gypsy`s move may sway Solar to DOT side and even though they are dragging there heels Gypsy may have saved SOLAR in the end…..We all know XDeath wants Solars land back as they always thought they owned most of it and Solar just rented space, so guess what, if Dotbros fall and Solar is alone, and Xdeath has proven loyal Pets guess who is going to somehow offend GSF next?

If they dont help NCDOT/BL they are dead…..Gypsy may be saving Solars life and not even know it.

Also if you heard IRC and there meeting these guys are learning a ton about PVP, not Drake Blob f1 pvp but actual rapid response, rapid repair controlling range and transversal while escaping missiles range PVP, in otherwards GSF Blobs stil use the least skill intensive ships in Eve while IRC and Solar who is not known for there PVP prowess could both be learning alot from this. Hell I know Nulli have and they were fightng well before.

Simple fact is, you fight with Elite guys who have very focused PVPers and they make you better, period. Even if they get yelled at think of it as basic training in the military, the drill instructor doesnt hate you, he actually likes you and yells at you so you wont die when it matters most fro ma stupid mistake.

IRC`s KB went from 50% to 73% in 1 month flying with us, ALL INDY CORPS/ALLIES who wanna train like Eve university but the Doctorate program join the fight on NCDOT`s side in the north and fight the hordes And Solar please come around, we would give you half of Dek if you helped us, no need to scrap over a few moons…You can have 1/2 of CFC`s once you help us steamroll them.

LOL its like EvE university but the Doctorate program. Classic lawls +1 to solar not being angry fucking russians. We can go back to fighting over your worthless region if you want, after goons are put in place.

Woah, you took it too far when you said "Half of Deklein'. I mean come on, I don't think NCdot can take it that far, even with Solar and Gypsy support. Maybe you'll regain Tribute, and even if that happens, Solar will be stopped dead by PL supers.

just gonna leave this here. For those of you who keep saying "once NCdot is eliminate". Whether you are pro goon or pro ncdot, you are displaying a fundamental lack of understanding of our eve philosophy. The only thing that will eventually be eliminated is our space. As an entity, we had made our plans to get valuables and assets out of tribute weeks before the invasion began. We are under no delusions about our ability to stave off the goon blob forever.

What goons may find however, is that ncdot without sov is a much greater pain in the ass than with sov. Without our hands being tied to defend timers, we will be free to make goons miserable where ever they may be. We may lose a piece of our membership, because every sov holding alliance attracts fairweather members, but the vast majority of us will settle into a nice npc region where we can reach as many goons as possible, and stomp their shit in.

You're dam skippy. I'd love to see us start pushing back into cfc space, but I also relish the day when we start hitting things when WE want, and when goons are all back in their seperate homes by their lonesomes.

Do we want our space? Definitely. But sov only facilitates what we do, it doesn't define us the way it defines the cfc.

So enjoy giving us nothing to lose and getting harassed constantly. GG bitches.

you know i would love to agree with you on this because i like the dot bros but i remember when nulli said the same thing. "we will stay in delve and continue to kill test renters and we wont be tied down by defending space and all the other delusions of granger everyone says before they lose there space" and look were nulli is now. they ran north to try and fight someone else's war.

You're displaying a fundamental lack of understanding behind the events that led to Nulli's change in sides. Nulli, facing goons, test, PL, and everyone else in the blob maintained no illusions of victory. As such, they moved to NPC Delve to harass the blob and delay Delve's conquest as long as possible. However, -A- refused to participate in the campaign to any significant extent. In the end, getting blobbed with both supers and subcaps at every single opportunity without so much as a batted eye from -A- led Nulli to essentially say "fuck this shit" and joined BL and NCdot who had no such qualms about fighting goons.

OMG I LOVE the comments it makes me laugh so hard, and yes it seems that in eve NOW having a big coalition is WIN ( look at PL)
anyway so what we fighting GSF and solar fun fun fun
what i dont get is why goons grunts hate us so much , maybe we kill them so many times who knows

There were fleets near the end of the war where Goons would bring 400+ pilots and the entire NC could only muster arounder 80. The Goons did more fighting in the collapse of the North than the North actually did.

What a load of shit! The NC hardly fought for their space and the Goons were the only ones actually trying to fight the Russian horde.

Bullshit. NC lost the most titans and supers in that war, in the history of any war. They were fighting since February 2011. Goons only showed up sometime in April for a few timers when NC was pretty much at the verge of collapse, and left them to die.

One year later, who benefited most from the DRF vs NC war? Take a look at the map. Any surprise? And look who Goons are blue with.

i call bullshit on this as well… the biggest fleet i ever saw from Goons was about 80 people. in drakes no less and on top of that they were mostly t1 fit and only came for a few timers. please try to lie better.

When the Vale of Silent and Gemenite fell most of the alliances that fighting were only the ones space that were under fire, RAGE, Magister Empire, OWNalliance, and Bricksquad.
Morris Mihi and Razor didn't even do HD fleets till the DRF were on their doorstep, i saw more of TEST in Vale then Goons or Razor. in the end out of the NC only the Southen Buffer actually fought together, and we did ok, till PL came into the picture.

Lolololol Goons did nothing. MorsusMihi did nothing, until it was too late anyways. ME and Rage (with pets and close allies) Depleted the russian invasion twice – the third time they broke through, and not only till after ME and Rage had lost the fight for their space and morale comes MorsusMihi/Razor and pets. Goons came in after MorsusMihi was locked down in Tribute. ME and Rage originally formed up 700~800 man gangs and fought off the invasions, or ended up losing Geminate, only to take it back 4 months later.

Then again. I wasn't the one with the blue status, I only know who we were killing 😉

As a CFC member, and an ex NC member. I have a high respect for ME, Rage, and Brick. the Nc had a flawed base for it's in line pilots when we could earn isk to replace our losses it was fine. ccp killed the nc when they nerfed our home systems. in the name of good fights. We also had a lack of good fc's in some of the latter fights. Nc treated it's in line members like crap. Solar and drf faught well. they won. ccp killed them too. ncdot… they did this to them selves.

Right, SOLAR shouldn't cooperate with the CFC for personal gain, that would just be stupid. Instead they should help the other alliance that cooperated with the CFC for personal gain. And never mind all the bad blood between the NC. and SOLAR, defeating the CFC needs to be everyone's top priority. Otherwise everyone else will dislike SOLAR, and asking them to get over that for the sake of fighting the CFC would be impossible.

That's true, and I have to say that NC. and Ev0ke are much nastier enemy than CFC could ever be.

September 12, 2012 at 1:01 pm

Truth

There 10 times better @ PVP yes,but nastier,explain,NC. are a good bunch of lads and lasses,granted a fair few arrogant,but get those types in all alliances.
Apart from that nothing nasty about NC. fucking spartans.

September 13, 2012 at 1:31 pm

Trololol Special

Well if you can't see that by affectively being a pain in the ass to free alliances that are doing EVE community a favour,i.e. hammering the CFC,Solar is shooting themselves in the foot. THIS IS OBVIOUS. CFC 100% of the time as History states and proves back stabs. 6 Months down the line,Solars arrogant attitude would have cost them all possible allies,and they will last a few weeks against the CFC Blob on their own. Affectively Good Night Solar,NC. can exist as nomads,as they were before and even with space,they usually are rarely in it,fighting some where else. What will Solar do with out Space? They will no longer exist or be a shadow of there former selves….well actually they already a shadow of their former selves,they are a disgrace at the moment.

Well working with CFC should be a biggger no no than helping NC. when you look at their history.
NC made a bad decision when they desides to stay with goons and stab raiden in the back, if thats your reason not to do it then look at the history of goons, they are alot worse and averyone outside CFC should know not to trust them…

ffs a G'band bombers, and you all wake up with nightmares for gods sake.

I play eve, as I got morales. I have not forgotten waking up to log on , to get told the months of fighting Solar day in and day out and them making no HEAD way, Yes No headway into Geminate, that Rebellion -R- aka G'band sold out and dropped Sov and Stations does "020", ring a bell, that fucked us up big time.

So apart for the greatest respect for Solar who fought like dogs until DRF came knocking.

Glad that this reset has happened, was expecting the tech isk to eventually get to G'Band.
So call it how you see fit. I was there, so thanks Rebellion -> "Sovereignty – Lost – 2011-02-13 10:54:20 – http://evemaps.dotlan.net/ticker/506649&quot;

how bout everyone stop bitching bout Goons, and maybe team up and fight them? maybe the rest of EVE can join on in, cuz only god knows how many Goon haters there are in EVE. Then go the fuck their own seperate ways once everyone accomplishes this…

I'm very proud of Krom and his guys in Gypsy. INK. and WHYSO are very lucky to have the chance to
be in a coalition with a group of their calibur. Aside from being level headed, Krom and Gypsy dudes
make for easily some of the funnest fleets i've been on. From one week fighting in GEM, against the
NC. and the next week bombing goonie's maelstroms off POS's with a whole new set of temp blues.

An amazingly obvious brain washing article about how brain washed the cfc are. Some people are so blinded by their hatred of the cfc that they will believe anything. The guy that owns this website is so obvious in his disdain towards the cfc and the hbc its amazing he let's himself write here. It really is no wonder the other website is so successful. This place feels like an oppressed totalitarian state where people are forced to read the ministry of truth website and celebrate its words. It's also a quite funny how wrong the article is lol and how far off his understanding of the inner workings of successful coalitions such as cfc and the hbc.

I am a player within the cfc and ive bout had enough of the huge coalition….after a while of blobing out ppl u do wish for a fair fight.. to know u fought well even tho u lost…if goons and the allies get disbanded sum may survive sum may not but gives chances for new alliances to rise mix it up a bit change would be awsum

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