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NATO commander: The Islamic State is “spreading like cancer” among Muslim migrants to Europe

Anyone could have and should have seen this coming. But no one in power cared to do so.

Last February, the Islamic State boasted it would soon flood Europe with as many as 500,000 refugees. And the Lebanese Education Minister recently said that there were 20,000 jihadis among the refugees in camps in his country. Meanwhile, 80% of migrants who have recently come to Europe claiming to be fleeing the war in Syria aren’t really from Syria at all.

So why are they claiming to be Syrian and streaming into Europe, and now the U.S. as well? An Islamic State operative gave the answer when he boasted in September, shortly after the migrant influx began, that among the flood of refugees, 4,000 Islamic State jihadis had already entered Europe. He explained their purpose: “It’s our dream that there should be a caliphate not only in Syria but in all the world, and we will have it soon, inshallah.” These Muslims were going to Europe in the service of that caliphate: “They are going like refugees,” he said, but they were going with the plan of sowing blood and mayhem on European streets. As he told this to journalists, he smiled and said, “Just wait.” We are waiting in the U.S. as well.

Refugees from the Middle East and north Africa are “masking the movement” of terrorists and criminals, Nato’s top commander told Congress on Tuesday, despite the protests of human rights groups who say that refugees overwhelmingly have no ulterior motive but escape.

In testimony to the Senate armed services committee, US general Philip Breedlove said that the Islamic State terror group is “spreading like a cancer” among refugees. The group’s members are “taking advantage of paths of least resistance, threatening European nations and our own”, he added.

Breedlove also blamed Russia’s bombing campaign in Syria, in support of autocratic leader Bashar al-Assad, for having “wildly exacerbated the problem”.

The airstrikes, nominally against Isis but largely against the various rebel groups arrayed against Assad, have allegedly killed more than 1,000 civilians, including children. Breedlove said these indiscriminate attacks mean to terrorize Syrians and “get them on the road” toward neighboring countries and Europe.

The Kremlin and Assad intend, according to Breedlove, to use migration as a weapon to weaken European unity and infrastructure. The general said that European nationalist groups that oppose immigration also weaken the continent, and could themselves threaten violence.

Since taking command in 2013, Breedlove has pushed for an aggressive refortification of Europe, calling Russia a “long-term existential threat” to the US, and suggested Europe and the US should do more to counter Assad and Isis in Syria.

Pressed by reporters to back up his assertion with statistics, Breedlove said: “I can’t give you a number on the estimate of the flow.”

Breedlove distinguished between “criminality, terrorist and foreign fighters”, and said that he has seen news reports saying as many as 1,500 fighters have returned to Europe.

“I’m not going to talk to you about intelligence,” he said at a news conference, adding that “many [countries] are saying they see planning happening” for a terrorist attack.

Thinktank and congressional estimates of how many foreign fighters have traveled to Syria vary widely, with 1,500 toward the higher end of numbers of fighters reported to have returned to western nations….

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usa govt helping these islamic refugees to move all over to destroy the rest of the world. Simple solutions divide the troubled nation and controlling under UN and move people from one end to another .

Dave, you must know that both Robert and Pamela have both written about this: The OIC (Organization of Islamic Cooperation) is a huge voting bloc of 57 Muslim countries that essentially run the U.N. They decide who gets to go to the U.S. as refugees and naturally, they put their own people first, as mandated on their website. Hence, NO Christians, NO Yazidis, etc. And Obama isn’t about to argue with these 57 Muslim countries–he purposely stays silent on the subject!! https://plus.google.com/u/0/101123895573934886634/posts

(…The OIC (Organization of Islamic Cooperation) is a huge voting bloc of 57 Muslim countries that essentially run the U.N. They decide who gets to go to the U.S. as refugees and naturally, they put their own people first, as mandated on their website. Hence, NO Christians, NO Yazidis, etc…)

That is true Enrique but there are also other factors such as Western postmodernist moral relativist elites are themselves profoundly Anti-Christian in that they really hate and despise Christianity and that they also wrongly assume that muslims are victims and deserve a great support and help. By they way, you can find these same evil and anti-Christ attitudes among the so-called Western Christians and church leaders etc.

Huh, so what? If what Marisol Marisol Enrique wrote is true, like you admit it to be, then those other factors (a.k.a., your usual anti-Western propaganda) mean nothing because they change nothing when it comes to choosing which refugees are to be brought to the US. But, of course, you’re not one to let slid by a chance to denigrate the West, are you?

Marisol Enrique, at 4:32 p.m. this date, said: “Cecilia, please read my response to Dave.”
Thank you, Marisol, for your post. I did read your response to Dave. Yes, I am aware of the information you provided. In fact, to support your argument, I submit extracts from two articles. The extracts, with links, are provided as follows:

Article 1: U.N. to dump flood of Muslim refugees on U.S.
Published: 09/15/2014 at 7:44 PM
By Leo Hohmann

“Since the early 1990s, the United Nations high commissioner for refugees has selected 200,000 to 250,000 refugees from Islamic countries to be resettled in the United States. Most of them have come from Somalia and Iraq.

Syria could soon be added to the mix in the midst of that country’s brutal civil war. The Obama administration has been greasing the skids for the Syrian refugees for months . . . and the refugees will soon be dumped on American cities throughout the U.S.”

(. . .)

“In February, the State Department moved to ease the rules that protect the U.S. from accepting refugees with potential ties to terrorist organizations. The rules were seen as ‘too strict’ by the refugee-resettlement groups that lobby Congress and the administration to continuously let in more Muslims from the war-torn Middle East.”

(. . .)

“The United Nations, working with the U.S. State Department, has already shipped approximately 115,000 Iraqis to American cities since Sept. 11. Another 100,000 Somalis have been resettled in the United States since that country devolved into civil war in 1993. The Somali refugees have been described as 99.9 percent Muslim by Somali-American leaders. The Iraqi refugees have also been majority Muslim and, while the exact percentages are more difficult to track, the Iraqis coming to the States have been estimated at 62 percent Muslim.”

(. . .)

“Pamela Geller, author of ‘Stop the Islamization of America: A Practical Guide to the Resistance,’ said it should come as no surprise that the U.N. would do everything in its power to flood the United States with as many Muslim refugees as possible.

She said the Organization of Islamic Cooperation, or OIC, which is comprised of 56 Muslim countries and the Palestinian Authority, makes up the largest voting bloc at the U.N. General Assembly.

Geller, Corcoran and others such as Islam scholar Bat Ye’or have long warned that there are two methods of creating Islamic supremacy in the world. One is through violent jihad. The other is through al-hijra, or the Islamic doctrine of immigration.”

Article 2: “UN Working With Islamist Group To Resettle Over 15,000 Syrian Refugees In America,” editorial, Investors.com, published on 11/17/2015 6:51 PM EST

“Immigration: Who picks the Syrian refugees that resettle in the U.S.? Homeland Security? No, the United Nations, in concert with a global Islamist group. And they’re sending ‘more than 15,000,’ not the widely reported 10,000.

In fact, Washington has no role in selecting the thousands of Syrian refugees coming to your hometown. The U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees is really behind the effort, and he’s referred an additional 5,000-plus Syrian nationals here.”

(…)

“’The United States is one of 28 countries that have agreed to accept referrals from UNHCR as part of its ambitious international effort to secure permanent or temporary resettlement for 130,000 Syrian refugees by the end of 2016,” the State Department said in ‘Proposed Refugee Admissions for Fiscal Year 2016.’

‘As of mid-2015, UNHCR has referred more than 15,000 Syrian refugees to the United States,’ the 71-page report adds. ‘And these individuals are being screened to determine whether they are eligible.’

Of course, that security screening is a joke, as the FBI director and his top counterterrorism aide, as well as the Homeland Security and National Intelligence chiefs, have all testified.

State notes in its report that security checks include ‘biographic name checks for all refugee applicants and biometric (fingerprint) checks for refugee applicants.’ Only Syria is a failed state, and there are no fingerprint databases to check applicants against.

The Islamic State has publicly vowed to use the refugee program to invade Europe and America, and allegedly has already infiltrated some 4,000 ‘warriors’ among the flood of Syrian refugees.

The Obama administration insists that it will catch any terrorist infiltrators through its interviewing process.

But, the State Department report said, ‘In some countries, such as Syria, Yemen and Eritrea, Department of Homeland Security adjudicators have been unable to travel to interview applicants for several years.’

That’s not all. The UNHCR is working ‘hand in hand’ with an international Islamist group of 57 Muslim nations — the Organization of Islamic Cooperation — whose founding charter seeks to propagate ‘legitimate jihad’ and ‘the norms of Islamic Shari’ah. Saudi-based OIC, in fact, is tied to the radical Muslim Brotherhood.

‘We are delighted to work … with the OIC,’ said U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees Antonio Guterres.

So it’s really the U.N. and radical Islamists who are choosing your new Muslim neighbors.

While the U.N. calls its project ‘refugee resettlement,’ the Islamists call it ‘hijra,’ or immigration jihad.

‘Muhammad told his followers to migrate and spread Islam in order to dominate all the lands of the world,’ said Ann Corcoran, author of ‘Refugee Resettlement and the Hijra to America.’ ‘He said they were obliged to do so — and that’s exactly what they are doing now with the help and support of the U.N.’

Given the above information, the issue is complicated, but the sovereignty of the United States, in accordance with the 1951 Convention relating to the Status of Refugees, as well as the 1967 Protocols, renders decisions for acceptance of UN-designated refugees a matter of distinct responsibility for the President of the United States, the Secretary of State, and, now, the Director, Homeland Security. So, while the UN may select the refugees, the United States has the right and the responsibility to ensure that any refugee accepted for resettlement has been vetted to verify validity of claims, intentions, background, country of origin, etc. That specifically is what Obama has not done. As such, both you and Dave absolutely are correct.

The Rise of Islamic State was ‘a willful (US Gov) decision’: Former DIA Chief, Gen. Michael Flynn. Read it below:”

As I said, islam gets a free pass with you – US have meddled with regimes all across the globe, according to the word on the street. How many islamic-state-like organizations do you have, for example, in Japan or Nicaragua? And how many islamic-state-like organizations have risen in countries where the US did not meddle with the regime? As long as you can throw mud in the general direction of Europe and the US, for whatever your reason may be, facts don’t matter.

You are right Angemon and especially America and Nato are always SO eager to fund and arm and fight on the side of various barbaric islamic jihadist groups. For example, three decades ago, in Afghanistan, America supported and armed the Taliban, Bin-Laden and Alqa’ida and paid them fight against Russia. In the Balkans, America bombed Christian Serbia and formed two islamic states (Bosnia & Kosovo) in the heart of Europe. In Libya, America supported and fought on the side of the barbaric islamic jihadists who deposed Qaddafi. In Egypt, America backed Muslim Brotherhood and turned their backs on Gen. Mubarak, their long time ally. In Syria, America is currently allied with the evil Saudi Arabia, with the genocidal Turks and Qatar who are all backing ISIS, the ‘free Syrian army’ jihadists, Alnusra jihadists and many other barbaric jihadists that are fighting Assad who is the only secular leader that is protecting Christians and other minorities in Syria. I could go on and on. You wonder after their destructive “regime change” adventures in Iraq, Libya, Yemen and Egypt
Americans would come to their senses but they just keep repeating the same mistakes over and over again. Angemon, Let us hope and pray that Syria becomes a new Stalingrad for the “regime changers” and their islamic jihadist allies.

“three decades ago, in Afghanistan, America supported and armed the Taliban, Bin-Laden and Alqa’ida and paid them fight against Russia.”

Did Bin Laden and the Taliban invade Russia? Oh, you’re talking about what happened when Russia invaded Afghanistan to squelch a popular revolution against their murdering communist (but I repeat myself) Moscow-supported regime. What happened to Muhammad Taraki, the pro-Soviet President of Afghanistan? Oh, yeah, the Russians had his successor, Hafizullah Amin, kill him. And what happened to Hafizullah Amin? The Russians assassinated him. Talk about “regime changers”…

Anyway, going by your logic about regime-changes, and seeing how Russia invaded Afghanistan and was responsible for the deaths of not one, but two, Afghan Presidents, doesn’t that make Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda direct byproducts of imperialistic Russian “regime change” policies? And since ISIS was born of Al-Qaeda, you should be blaming Russia for the whole thing. Of course, to do that you’d need at least one honest bone in your body, which frankly, I doubt you have.

“ I could go on and on. ”

Yeah, anyone familiar with your posts knows you’re here to rant and ramble against America and the West. Even if, as demonstrated above, it shows that you have zero internal consistency.

“Let us hope and pray that Syria becomes a new Stalingrad for the “regime changers””

So basically, you’re hoping and praying that Americans die in Syria. Fits in with your blind, unadulterated hatred of US and the West freedoms, I guess. Also, you realize that Russia sustained more casualties that the Axis in the battle of Stalinegrad, right? Many of them civilians. Are you really such a hatred-filled bigot that you’re willing to sacrifice the lives of Russian civilians as long as Americans die?

Angemon, Islam *always* gets a free pass with “Christianblood”. His main purpose here is to denigrate the West and plug Putin’s policies–even including his enabling of Shari’ah law in Chechnya and a nuclear Iran.

People in America and in the West don’t care about Christianity or Christians.
They care about only their own national or personal interests such oil, economy, jobs, sex, money etc. They are immoral opportunists. don’t waste your breath!

The fact that Muslims have been killing non Muslims for that long is precisely the reason why the US should never have supported any of them expecially ISIS today. Yes, the US is supporting Muslim Brotherhood who are monsters. Why?
Just because one has plenty of critisism towards the west for supporting Islam doesn’t mean that he/she hates the west. What it does mean is that you actually love the west and it’s way of life and want to preserve it so you have to criticize it. It’s like criticizing you children when they are heading for trouble.
You want to save them.
Christianblood is being misunderstood here. I agreem with most of his posting (not all) and I can see that he has a lot of anger towards western governments because they have sold their souls to Islam. We all know that is true.
We have to keep pointing it out, not brush it under the carpet. Nobody is giving Isam a free pass here. We all know how evil it is but that’s why we can’t allow our governments to support it and import it.

“The fact that Muslims have been killing non Muslims for that long is precisely the reason why the US should never have supported any of them expecially ISIS today.”

Are you OK with Russia supporting genocidal Iran, who’ve promised to destroy Israel, the only safe haven for Christians in the Middle East? Or does your criticism of supporting muslims stops at its borders?

“Just because one has plenty of critisism towards the west for supporting Islam doesn’t mean that he/she hates the west.”

christianblood has stated in no unclear terms his hatred of the West for things other than its policies in the ME – he’s not a fan of giving homosexuals equal rights, as if they’re actual people.

“Christianblood is being misunderstood here.”

No, he’s been quite clear: the West is out to get Russia. Shame on the US for not taking in Syrian Christians but when it comes to Russia they don’t want to “uproot” the Syrian Christians – two sets of standards.

“I agreem with most of his posting (not all)”

Which ones? Do you agree that the West is out to get Russia? Do you agree with his dual set of standards when it comes to taking in Syrian Christians?

“and I can see that he has a lot of anger towards western governments because they have sold their souls to Islam. We all know that is true.”

Don’t try to whitewash him – he, like ISIS, hates the West because of things like granting homosexuals equal rights.

“We have to keep pointing it out, not brush it under the carpet. Nobody is giving Isam a free pass here.”

No one except for the guy trying to blame everything on the US.

“We all know how evil it is but that’s why we can’t allow our governments to support it and import it.”

New dictionary entry for ISIS version of Islam.
ISLAMANAUSIA; A ‘cancerous’ death cult.; Objective; The path to Armageddon..
An evil ideology derived from a war loving murderous paedophile whose prophesy was apparently spewed by Satan himself.
For the creation of living ‘zombies’, fodder for false martyrdom, to instil a deluded selfish belief, to murder and destroy to ‘attain’ an eternity of sexual perversion and depravity.
ISLAMANAUSIA.
Spread this word !!!!!

There are millions of Christians, Druze, Alawites and Shiites and if the American-backed barbaric islamic jihadists succeed in toppling the secular leader of Syria (Assad) who is now protecting all those minorities, there will be a huge genocide against all those groups that I mentioned above. That is why it is important for the evil “regime changers” and their barbaric islamic jihadist allies to lose the war in Syria. You don’t care if two millions Christians in Syria are slaughtered by the barbaric islamic jihadists that are allied with your US government, do you? I know you don’t. Shame! Shame!

Let it be noted that you did not deny that you want Americans to die and, instead, tried to publicly shame me by making the false claim that I don’t care if Christians die when, in fact, I have posted many times that Europe and the US should be taking in non-muslim refugees only. I’d say that regardless of how the war goes on Syria, Christians would be safer in Europe. You, on the other hand, have no no more love for the Christians in Syria and Iraq than you have for Americans – Christians are merely a useful tool for your pro-Putin propaganda but only while they stay in Syria, where their lives are at risk. Why isn’t Russia taking them in? Precisely for that reason – as long as they are suffering in Syria, you and your ilk can pretend to care about them to disguise your real intentions. It’s you who doesn’t care whether Christians in Iraq and Syria live or die, therefore, shame on you, you soulless ghoul.

It is far better if the crazed fanatical ‘regime changers’ who are arming and backing and allied with barbaric islamo-fascist jihadists lose the war in Syria than if millions of Christians and minorities there are slaughtered by the US-backed barbaric islamic jihadists. The selfish and stupid fanatical ‘regime changers’ and their barbaric jihadist allies are the evil jihadist-installing aggressors and every right-thinking human being should oppose them and pray for their defeat. On the other hand, America is actually imprisoning the few Christians who escaped ISIS while it is importing and resettling hundreds of thousands of anti-Christ muslims from across the islamic world each year. Read it below. Shame! Shame! (May God bless Donald Trump!)

It is far better if the crazed fanatical ‘regime changers’ who are arming and backing and allied with barbaric islamo-fascist jihadists lose the war in Syria ”

Again, not only you’re not denying you want to see Americans die, you also call them “crazed fanatical”. You’re not really helping your case.

“The selfish and stupid fanatical ‘regime changers’ and their barbaric jihadist allies are the evil jihadist-installing aggressors and every right-thinking human being should oppose them and pray for their defeat.”

More of your usual anti-American drivel. I bet you’re trying to get me not to press the points I made about why you don’t care about the Christians in Syria. Yeah, not going to happen. You and your ilk only pretend to care about the Christians in Syria. If you really cared about them, Russia would be taking them in, regardless of their actions in Syria. No, scratch that – not regardless, but because. Since you’re trying to spin it to pretend you’re actually defending the Christians in Syria, you’re just giving ISIS more then reasons to kill them – no Christians in Syria, no reason for Russia to be present there.

“On the other hand, America is actually imprisoning the few Christians who escaped ISIS while it is importing and resettling hundreds of thousands of anti-Christ muslims from across the islamic world each year. Read it below. Shame! Shame! (May God bless Donald Trump!)”

Again, why isn’t Russia taking them in? Do you know what hypocrisy is? It’s not preaching one thing and doing the other, because one person can, for example, teach that adultery is wrong and still practice it regardless,but to have a set of standards for everyone else and a convenient excuse to never apply those standards to them. So, CB, is Russia actually taking in any of those Syrian Christians? If not, what are Russians doing about it? No, wait, let me guess: it’s only bad when the US does it, for whatever reason you fail to apply your high standards to Russia. Shame on the US for not taking in Christian refugees, praise be to Russia for not only not take in Christian refugees but also expose the Christians in Syria to a greater danger just so Putin can play with his shiny new toys.

Someone should be ashamed all right, but I suspect you’re physically unable to feel shame.

Russia is not backing the barbaric islamic jihadists that are fighting the legitimate secular government which is protecting Christians and other minorities in Syria but America is fanatically backing those barbaric jihadists in order to overthrow a legitimate government just as it has done in Iraq, Libya, Yemen and Egypt. America, UK, France, (all major Nato states) along with their islamic allies such as Saudi Arabia, the genocidal Turks, Qatar, ISIS, Alnusra fron’t and dozens of other arab islamic countries are fighting to overthrow the legitimate government of Syria and install jihadist groups who would mass-murder and mass-rape Christians and other minorities there. Russia is actually trying to stop that kind of genocidal-jihadist take over of Syria while your government is working very, very hard to making it happen.

Russia don’t want these ancient Christians to be uprooted from their ancient lands in the Middle East, Russia wants them to stay there but Russia wants them to be safe from the American-backed genocidal islamic jihadist groups who would massacre them if they win the American-backed war to topple the legitimate secular government of Syria. Why don’t you and others like you try to stop your crazed, regime change-obsessed government from backing and arming those genocidal islamic jihadists in the M.E.? Again Shame on America for backing barbaric islamic jihadists that are murdering tens of thousands of Christians each year for cheap political gains! Shame on America for even stopping Christians from testifying that there is Christian persecution in the Middle East. Read it below: Shame! Shame! Shame!

Russia is backing Iran, a terrorist-sponsoring state with nuclear ambitions and the single-mindedness of destroying Israel, the only slice of secular, Western democracy in the Middle East, the only place in the ME where everyone enjoys the same rights under the law, despite of race, religion, sex or sexual preference. Iran sees that as an abomination a,d they want to nuke it. That’s who Russia is backing – people who want to nuke the only safe haven for Christians in the Middle East.

“the legitimate secular government ”

C’mon CB – I don’t know about you, but most people here are adults, and they know an dictator when they see one. Legitimate government? Is that why a civil war started? Really? You’re really going to go with that?

“Russia don’t want these ancient Christians to be uprooted from their ancient lands in the Middle East, Russia wants them to stay there”

This is HILARIOUS because you’ve been railing against the US for not taking in Christian refugees. Like I said, having one set of standards for others and another fr yourself – the US are in the wrong because they’re not taking in Syrian Christians but Russia plays under another set of rules. In any case, your laughably bad explanation fails. As I stated, the best for the Christians in Syria would be to look for a safe haven outside Syria during the war and return to Syria after the war is over. Why is Russia not giving them that safe haven? Because, as I stated, without Christians fearing for their lives in Syria, Russia has no tool to wave around and excuse itself. “No, no, we’re doing this for the Christians, even though we’re exposing them to even greater danger”.

“Russia is actually trying to stop that kind of genocidal-jihadist take over of Syria while your government is working very, very hard to making it happen.”

“My government”? Really? What is my nationality? What is my government?

“Russia wants them to be safe from the American-backed genocidal islamic jihadist groups who would massacre them”

You know where they’d be safe from jihadis (as long as they don’t hire muslimas to babysit their babies)? In Russia. So why isn’t Russia taking them in?

“Why don’t you and others like you try to stop your crazed, regime change-obsessed government from backing and arming those genocidal islamic jihadists in the M.E.?”

Because I don’t need to stop my government from doing something they’re not doing to begin with? Here’s where your propaganda fails, CB: you’re trying to shame Americans by trying to get personal and flinging all manner of crap at them, but I’m not American – in fact, I’ve been very critical of US foreign policy in the ME – so you can keep repeating “American-backed jihadis” or whatever to your hearts desire – it’ll have no effect on me and I’ll still judge you based on logic and facts, and not emotions.

“Again Shame on America for backing barbaric islamic jihadists that are murdering tens of thousands of Christians each year for cheap political gains!”

Again: Russia, Iran, nukes, Israel – glass ceiling, throwing stones, etc. The difference is that, in America, there are plenty of Americans who speak against the American government. Is that possible in Russia? Can a Russian criticize Putin and not fear for their life? Can a Russian say “I think Putin should not back a terrorist-sponsoring state like Iran, a state that has vouched to destroy Israel, the only safe haven for Christians in the Middle East”.

Also, CB, do remember what Putin said some years ago: Russia is the major support for the Islamic countries. Do you deny that? Do you rebuke it?

(…As I stated, the best for the Christians in Syria would be to look for a safe haven outside Syria during the war and return to Syria after the war is over…)

Christians in Syria don’t need to be uprooted from their ancient lands.The best way to keep them stay their homeland where they lived for thousands of years is persuade the crazed, fanatical regime-changers in America to stop backing the genocidal jihadists that want to wipe out these ancient Christians. They don’t have move to Russia or to Europe just persuade America to stop actively backing the genocidal jihadists such (turkey, isis, saudi arabia, qatar and many others) who will wipe them out if they succeed toppling the legitimate secular government in Syria.

Also, just like their government, U.S. Christian Groups Support Muslim Refugees, Ignore Persecuted Christians:

“Christians in Syria don’t need to be uprooted from their ancient lands.”

I see those goalposts moving and backpedaling. Do you want to keep Christians safe or do you want to keep them in Syria? And who said anything about uprooting them? Take them in in Russia while the war lasts, let them return to Syria once the war is over.

“They don’t have move to Russia or to Europe just persuade America to stop actively backing the genocidal jihadists”

You’re confusing Europe and America with Russia – who is supporting the openly genocidal state of Iran? Not that you care if they nuke Israel – we all know where and by whom the “Protocols of the Elders of Zion” were forged…

(…Take them in in Russia while the war lasts, let them return to Syria once the war is over…)

No that will not be necessary. Just persuade your US government to stop baking the jihadists that want to wipe them out and then they can remain in their country safely. On the other hand, if the barbaric islamic jihadists that your US/Nato/Saudi/Turkey/Qatar governments who are backing the jihadists succeed in toppling Assad, the war in Syria will NEVER end. Just look at Afghanistan and Iraq and Christians will NEVER be able to return there ever again. Just note what happened to the two million strong Christians that lived in Iraq for thousands of years before America attacked that country and completely destroyed it. Where are the Iraqi Christians today? Have you ever asked your self such a question?

UK is ressetling tens of thousands of muslims while it is denying refuge to Christians fleeing Isil:

(…Take them in in Russia while the war lasts, let them return to Syria once the war is over…)

No that will not be necessary. ”

Like I said, you don’t really care about the lives of those Christians. If you did, then you would be pushing for Russia to take them in for the duration of the war. They’re only of value to you as long as they are endangered, you soulless ghoul. You feed on the dead and you’re unapologetic about it.

“UK is ressetling tens of thousands of muslims while it is denying refuge to Christians fleeing Isil: ”

Again, why isn’t Russia taking them in? Russia is closer to Syria, Russia is taking in muslims, so why not take in those Christians. Just another example of your double standards.

PS: nice touch, switching from US to UK after I specifically told you I was not American, but I’m not British either, troll. I have nothing to be ashamed of when it comes to my country’s reaction to the “refugee” crisis so you have absolutely no power over me, troll.

Agreed, Mortimer. Also, you must know that Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal has pledged his fortune of $32 BILLION to promote Islam/Sharia in America. As Pamela Geller said: “That means promoting the kingdom’s brand of ISLAM, while censoring criticism of Islam!!﻿” The Saudis continue to build and fund mosques in America; they make sure that Imams only teach ‘radical’ Islam in the mosques; and those Imams that preach a less radical version of Islam are promptly relieved of duty. The Media receives blood money for self-censorship, tens of millions are gifted to U.S. colleges to expand Islamic studies; and millions of dollars have gone to the Muslim Brotherhood and CAIR to further Islam/Sharia in America, all of which is a cause for alarm!!

I don’t know how much Saudi Arabia has contributed to the Islamization of the US, but they built a center for Islamic Studies” at Georgetown University (You know, the place where the students who were asked on a “Man in the street” interview could not name one Senator.)

But most troubling is the fact that they have donated millions to the Clinton “Foundation,” which IMO will indirectly go to Ms. Clinton’s campaign. And if she becomes President, she will be able to appoint a Supreme Court Justice who will vote with the other four leftists on the Court to abolish our First Amendment rights of free speech insofar as criticizing Islam. How she can accuse Republicans of conducting a “War on Women” when she herself accepts this misogynistic money is a mystery.
Well, not really a mystery Money talks. Saudi Arabian money whispers..

Mortimer posted the following comment: “I wonder how much Leftist politicians have been bribed to support the Islamist agenda?”

Mortimer, what a great comment that deserves expansion! Additional information which might serve to provide a starting point may be found in an article entitled, “Who Funds the Radical Left In America?” by Steve Baldwin, Exclusive to Western Center for Journalism:

“Very few Americans realize there exists a large network of far left philanthropists and foundations in America dedicated to destroying the American way of life, our Christian-based culture and our free enterprise system. They seek to remove America from its constitutional foundations and move it toward a European-style socialism. Much of this effort is coordinated by a little known group called the Tides Foundation and its related group, the Tides Center.”

Now what do the Tides group do that is germane to your comment? Well, those groups have provided more than $500 million to the Left, whose causes include the following:

“Apparently, the Tides Foundation does not consider any Islamic group to be a threat, even if they have been implicated in terrorist activities by the government. It has funded the Council for American Islamic Relations (CAIR), probably the leading front group for Islamic radicals in America. Indeed, three of CAIR’s leaders have been arrested for pro-jihadist activities and CAIR spends much of its time attacking American efforts to track, monitor, and arrest domestic terrorists. They have opposed, for example, virtually every effort by the Department of Homeland Security and the FBI to monitor Islamic radicals known to be engaged in pro-jihadist activity.

But rather then (sic) be concerned with Islamic terrorism after 9/11, the Tides Foundation poured half of a million dollars into an effort to protect the rights of homosexual Arabs. Another Tides recipient, the Democratic Justice Fund, works to east restrictions on Muslim immigration to the United States from countries designated as ‘terrorist nations.’

The Tides groups also funds other groups who work against the creation of internal security measures such as the Arab-American Anti-Discrimination Committee.”

Additionally, as Carolyne posted in her reply to your comment at 6:53 p.m., the Clinton Foundation and college endowments have benefited significantly from Saudi funding. There is, however, a creeping shariah effort that is rarely addressed: Saudi Arabia funds 80% of the mosques in the United States.

Pamela Geller exposed this imminent threat in her article entitled, “Saudi Prince Pledges $32 Billion to Promote Islam/Sharia in America.” Whether it be universities or the Muslim Brotherhood-related CAIR, the Saudis and the Left have done much to enable the Islamization of the United States.

I’m going to go out on a limb, and say General Breedlove is a hack, shilling for his organizations, the US and NATO military.

His diagnosis and prescriptions are contradictory and self-serving.

He says that the Islamic State is purposely sending terrorists to Europe. And, we know a large percentage of the invaders are from countries not directly involved in fighting, but who migrate for economic, or possibly religious, motivations.

But, according to Breedlove, NATO (and the US) should do more against Assad, the only coherent government in Syria. Russia, who is bombing the groups opposing Assad, is exacerbating the problem. Also, the European nationalists who oppose the migrations are exacerbating the problem.

If the Islamic State is purposely sending undercover terrorists to Europe, are they going to stop because NATO takes military action against their main opponent, Assad? Are the economic migrants (invaders) going to stop coming and pretending they’re Syrian because the US bombs the only coherent government in Syria? Is the European Union going to be able to handle the alien migrants better if the opposition to the mass migration is silenced?

But, Breedlove has his own solutions. Curiously, the solutions involve a suppression of dissent, and an unencumbered military buildup. He wants a military buildup to face down Russia, and a military flexing in Syria. According to him, the European nationalists, who want to approach the migrant problem by enforcing the borders, are simply adding to the problem.

Adding to what problem? The problem of convincing the governments to throw more money at the military and their disastrous adventures in foreign countries they know very little about?

(…But, Breedlove has his own solutions. Curiously, the solutions involve a suppression of dissent, and an unencumbered military buildup. He wants a military buildup to face down Russia, and a military flexing in Syria. According to him, the European nationalists, who want to approach the migrant problem by enforcing the borders, are simply adding to the problem…)

Very well-said RonaldB,

The saddest thing is that most leaders in America and in the West have the same ignorant and extremely destructive mentality. They are totally detached from reality.
They would rather arm, train, fund and back ISIS and other similar islamic jihadist groups/states than working with Russia and other countries to defeat the threat of global jihad.

“They would rather arm, train, fund and back ISIS and other similar islamic jihadist groups/states than working with Russia and other countries to defeat the threat of global jihad.”

Is it the same Russia that is churning out all manner of insane anti-Western propaganda and conspiracy theories? Like the FIFA scandal being an anti-Russia conspiracy by the CIA, etc. Allow me to quote your own words, CB. This is what you think of the West:

US and its Nato vassals are encircling Russia to destabilize Russia and push their very evil, decadent, LGBT secular postmodernist, anti-Christian, pro-islam moral relativist agenda and they will not succeed in this.

But now you’re saying that the “very evil, decadent, LGBT secular postmodernist, anti-Christian, pro-islam moral relativist” West that is “encircling Russia to destabilize Russia” should be working with Russia? Gee, pick a theme and stick with it – either insult Westerners or try to woo them. Your tsundere act is not working.

b) Russia keeps acting like a thug and have its military violate other countries’ exclusive areas

c) Russia insists on supporting terrorist-sponsoring states with genocidal intents

d) Russia keeps supporting ISIS, indirectly or otherwise.

But, of course, as long as Putin is in power that will never happen – he needs to keep the populace in check with threats of a foreign enemy waiting to pounce on them so he can present himself as their saviour. And that enemy is… The West!

To Angemon: “….To benefit whom? Where are the so-called “moderate” rebel groups? As much as I dislike Assad, as things are now he must be regarded not as part of the problem but as part of the solution.”

Do I agree with you! Let me put it this way:

Just ask who is trying to escape whereto.
Christians to the ‘regime’.
Yazidis to the ‘regime’.
Atheists to the ‘regime’
Even Shias to the ‘regime’.

Sunnis, persecuting all the above, and fighting against the ‘regime’ – as “moderates”, Saudi approved
Sunnis, persecuting all the above, and fighting against the ‘regime’ – as ISIS, Saudi ‘pseudo’ approved

The Saudis and other gulf states hate Assad
Assad must go so that there will be an “Arab Spring” with a secular government.
But Assad is running a secular government
Secular government as in “Arab Spring” countries, like Libya and Iraq?
Secular government by the Sunnis – who persecute everyone? They’ll be as secular as Saudi or Kuwait, or the other gulfers.

Completely against the west’s interest, we demand that Assad must go, instead of using the situation to divide him away from the Russians, and thereby ‘undermining’ their Med. Naval presence. Conversely, we are driving him closer into the bears arms.

No, we are demanding what the Saudis and their allies demand, a democratic state – a la Saudi Arabia?

Obviously, either I lack understanding, or there’s something very wrong with this picture.

As to the old question: “Who’s calling the shots?” may I add another question:
“Who’s paying for the ammo?”

“America, Nato, along with Saudi Arabia, the genocidal Turks and Qatar are wholeheartedly backing those genocidal and barbaric sunni jihadists.”

All while Russia is backing shia Iran, who dreams of nuking Israel and starting WWIII. At least the Saudis are selling cheap oil. Speaking of which, how is the Russian oil trade doing?
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You seem to have a contra statement to almost everyone else here who says that we should be working with Russia or is not critical of Russia.
OK, so instead of just arguing with another question how about you delcare yourself.
What do you think should happen? Do you agree that Russia stop aiding Assard and let the west allow Muslim Brotherhood to take over the ME? It’s obvious the west wants Assard gone so then if you want Russia to stay clear of the area then you must want him gone too. It’s either or.

Also, do you think that only the west has the right to meddle when it comes to preserving their interests but nobody else has?
When you constantly point out Russia’s faults and condemn people who criticize the US as haters it does look like you are against anyone else having any influence in others.
Maybe you can clear this up.

“You seem to have a contra statement to almost everyone else here who says that we should be working with Russia or is not critical of Russia.”

How about actually representing my stance correctly for once? Would it kill you? Do you acknowledge the amount of anti-western propaganda churned by the Kremlin? Do you deny that Moscow has been meddling in European politics, trying to weaken the European Union? Do you deny that, based on Russia’s actions, we must conclude that Russia has no desire to work alongside anyone else?

Also, do you deny that Russia not only has a sizable population of muslims who have rebelled twice in recent history but is also backing Iran, a regime who has vouched to nuke Israel, the only slice of Western democracy in the Middle East, and therefore it can’t engage in some sort of fight against global jihad or islam?

If you deny any of that, then you’re so detached from reality that it’s impossible to have a logical, fact-driven conversation with you. If you acknowledge that, what kind of “working with Russia” do you think it can be achieved, and at what price, given Russia’s demonstrable hatred of the West (or should I say, Putin’s hatred of the West, since he, not the Russian people, creates the propaganda he stands to benefit from)?

“OK, so instead of just arguing with another question how about you delcare yourself.”

Bad form, Peggy. Bad form. You grossly misrepresented my stance, so correct yourself before trying to make this about me.

“It’s obvious the west wants Assard gone so then if you want Russia to stay clear of the area then you must want him gone too. It’s either or.”

No, Peggy, it isn’t. On this very page, on the VERY POST YOU’RE REPLYING TO, I stated this:

As much as I dislike Assad, as things are now he must be regarded not as part of the problem but as part of the solution.

And YOU REPLIED TO THAT POST! You can’t claim that I said that somewhere else and you missed it – it’s on THE VERY F***ING POST YOU’RE REPLYING TO. You’re perfectly aware that I don’t want Assad gone, and yet, here you are, telling an easily demonstrable lie, in addition to a textbook example of a false dichotomy. Do you have no sense of shame, of decency? Do you genuinely think you can get away with such a pitiful lie and smear?

“Also, do you think that only the west has the right to meddle when it comes to preserving their interests but nobody else has?”

Are you feeling all right? What kind of interest can the West possible have in removing Assad from power? And how do you justify your double standards? It’s OK when Russia interferes but not OK when the West does it?

“When you constantly point out Russia’s faults”

Like the amount of anti-Western, especially anti-US, propaganda that makes Stalin look like a flag-waving American patriot and shows, beyond any reasonable doubt, that Russia has no interest in working with any Western nation.

“and condemn people who criticize the US as haters”

Again, a gross misrepresentation of my stance. I criticize the US foreign policy and Barack Obama a lot – am I a hater then? Where am I calling anyone a hater simply for criticizing the US?

“it does look like you are against anyone else having any influence in others.
Maybe you can clear this up.”

You mean it’s up to me to clear the blatantly erroneous conclusion you arrived at based on the lies you said about me? I’ve already proved you lied, the rest is up to you.

Yes, I do agree that Moscow is meddling but not as much as the US is. It seems that you have double standards. You are so intent on convincing us that Russia is bad because it meddles in Europe which is where Russia is btw, but not allowing anyone to criticize US for the same thing.
Yes, Russia does want EU gone but then so does a good portion of EU citizens.
Do you agree that EU is a dictatorship and not a democracy? if you do then you can’t be against it gone.
Who says Russia wouldn’t work with the west? You? You have come to this conclusion but clearly many people on this site. Russia would be happy to work with the west but not support MB. Seems we have come to different conclusions.
Maybe the west is on the wrong course and it shouldn’t be supported until Obama’s disasterous policy of supporting jihadists ends.

“Yes, I do agree that Moscow is meddling but not as much as the US is.”

Bollocks. I don’t recall American war vehicles violating the exclusive airspace of any European country recently, including two near-misses with civilian airplanes. As for the Middle East, the rise of ISIS was a consequence of US withdrawal.

“It seems that you have double standards.”

No, I don’t.

“You are so intent on convincing us that Russia is bad because it meddles in Europe”

Again, a gross misrepresentation of my point.

“which is where Russia is btw,”

Really? You’re being doubly dishonest – first of all, Russia extends to Asia, second, Russia does not extend to, for example, the UK or France, where Putin has been meddling and supporting anti-European parties.

“but not allowing anyone to criticize US for the same thing.”

Really? Who did I disallow from criticizing the US? Who here can not criticize the US because I don’t allow him/her to? And you realize that I’ve criticized the US for meddling in Syria, right?

“Yes, Russia does want EU gone”

Because Putin knows that a divided Europe won’t stand up to Russia. Divide and conquer.

“but then so does a good portion of EU citizens.”

Nope. From what I can gather, many Europeans don’t want the European Union as it is now, which is not the same thing as wanting it gone.

“Do you agree that EU is a dictatorship and not a democracy? if you do then you can’t be against it gone.”

Rubbish, Peggy. I, or anyone else, can say it’s a dictatorship and wanting the dictatorship gone while still wanting some form of European union that doesn’t, for example, leaves Greece or Italy hung to dry and forces them to cope with the islamic invasion on their coasts all by themselves.

“Who says Russia wouldn’t work with the west?”

Who says they will? The feverish anti-Western propaganda coming from Russia certainly doesn’t make it seem like they’d be willing to work with anyone else.

“You? You have come to this conclusion”

Again, a gross misrepresentation of my stance. How did I come to that conclusion? Why, by listening to what comes from Russia. Putin’s stay in power is dependent of portraying the West as an enemy, as can be seen in christianblood’s posts. But, according to you, it’s just me saying it. Tsk tsk…

“but clearly many people on this site.”

Many people (weasel words, Peggy!) on this site what? Seems like you forgot a couple of words there…

“Russia would be happy to work with the west”

Ah, you’re Russia’s spokesperson now? Where do you get such an idea? I can point out to Putin’s anti-Western rhetoric to back my point. For example, recently he accused the FIFA scandal of being a US conspiracy to make Russia look bad. Where do you draw upon to arrive to the conclusion that Russia would be happy to work with the West?

“but not support MB.”

See above – what does flying military vessels over other nation’s exclusive airspace or claiming that the FIFA scandal is a US conspiracy against Russia have to do with the MB?

“Seems we have come to different conclusions.”

No. Not really. A conclusion, in this context, implies a summing up of points leading to a deduction or inference. I can point out to Russia-based sources to make my point. You, on the other hand, simply say that I’m wrong and that Russia would be happy working with the West without giving any supporting evidence. That’s not drawing a conclusion, that’s magical thinking.

“Maybe the west is on the wrong course and it shouldn’t be supported until Obama’s disasterous policy of supporting jihadists ends.”

Again, what does flying military airplanes towards Swedish civilian planes and blaming the FIFA scandal on a US anti-Russian conspiracy have to do with supporting jihadis? Also, you do realize that Russia supports jihadis, right? Iran, Hamas (who, BTW, has been supplying ISIS), Hezbollah – what are they not if jihadis with genocidal intents? Not that I’m surprised that the nation that gave us “The Protocols of The Elders of Zion” is siding with people whose stated goal is the obliteration of Israel and the murder of all Jews…

a) Russia keeps churning all manner of anti-Western, especially anti-US, propaganda and conspiracy theories in industrial quantity
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Totally unlike the US and their mates.

b) Russia keeps acting like a thug and have its military violate other countries’ exclusive areas
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You can actually say that with a straight face? Since WWII US has been at war constantly somewhere or supported a rebellion.
See a documentary called The War on Democracy by John Pilger and come back and accuse Russia of it.

But, of course, as long as Putin is in power that will never happen – he needs to keep the populace in check with threats of a foreign enemy waiting to pounce on them so he can present himself as their saviour. And that enemy is… The West!
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Unfortunately Putin is right. Russia’s enemy is the west instead of being Islam. US has restarted the cold war by encircling Russia with NATO.
How did Russia start anything after Soviet Union collapsed?

Yes. Because it’s the truth. Russian airplanes and ships have been violating exclusive airspace of EU and/or NATO member nations.

“Since WWII US has been at war constantly somewhere or supported a rebellion.
See a documentary called The War on Democracy by John Pilger and come back and accuse Russia of it.”

Red herring, misdirection,tu quoquery, etc. I can accuse Russia of doing so because Russia has done so – whether the US have done it or not is completely irrelevant. It’s not rocket science, Peggy – try to keep up, will ya?

Reading comprehension much? I said terrorist-sponsoring states with genocidal intents. Like Iran.

“See my response to C”

The one where you show you have reading comprehension issues?

“Unfortunately Putin is right. Russia’s enemy is the west instead of being Islam.”

Nope. Putin went out of his way to present the West as Russia’s enemy. Are you even aware of the nonsensical conspiracy theories churned out from the Kremlin? Like, for example, stating that the FIFA scandal was a CIA conspiracy to harm Russia? If you say that Putin is right then it’s safe to assume you support that kind of fear-mongering nonsense.

“US has restarted the cold war by encircling Russia with NATO.”

Are you deaf, blind AND dumb? We’ve been through this before, haven’t we? Your conspiratorial nonsense is nothing more than that. Former nations in the Warsaw pact joined NATO out of their own free will because they feared a Russian invasion. Putin, the crybully, simply took advantage of that to cry victim. You’re doing exactly what jihadis do: blame the West for their actions. “Oh, we just want American troops out of Saudi Arabia, that’s why we flew planes into buildings”.

No, that would be you who is deaf, blind AND DUMB.
You’re such a hypocrite but accuse of others of being.
Take this for an example.

“Since WWII US has been at war constantly somewhere or supported a rebellion.
See a documentary called The War on Democracy by John Pilger and come back and accuse Russia of it.”

Red herring, misdirection,tu quoquery, etc. I can accuse Russia of doing so because Russia has done so – whether the US have done it or not is completely irrelevant. It’s not rocket science, Peggy – try to keep up, will ya?
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So when I point out that the west is doing the same if not more of that you call that irrelevant because we are talking about Russia. Now we are talking about the west and you still won’t stay on that subject and say it’s irrelevant again.
Bringing up the fact that US has constantly been at war since WWII is relevant to the discussion.
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• Angemon says
March 3, 2016 at 8:58 pm
Peggy posted:
“The fact that Muslims have been killing non Muslims for that long is precisely the reason why the US should never have supported any of them expecially ISIS today.”

Are you OK with Russia supporting genocidal Iran, who’ve promised to destroy Israel, the only safe haven for Christians in the Middle East? Or does your criticism of supporting muslims stops at its borders?
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Example of how you switch to bashing Russia because you won’t comment of what I say. Then you accuse me of being irrelevant.
You are a master of deflecting.

“No, that would be you who is deaf, blind AND DUMB.
You’re such a hypocrite”

A hypocrite is someone who preaches one thing for others while excusing himself from practicing what he preaches. So far, that’s you, not me.

“but accuse of others of being.
Take this for an example.

“Since WWII US has been at war constantly somewhere or supported a rebellion.
See a documentary called The War on Democracy by John Pilger and come back and accuse Russia of it.”

Red herring, misdirection,tu quoquery, etc. I can accuse Russia of doing so because Russia has done so – whether the US have done it or not is completely irrelevant. It’s not rocket science, Peggy – try to keep up, will ya?
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So when I point out that the west is doing the same if not more of that you call that irrelevant because we are talking about Russia. Now we are talking about the west and you still won’t stay on that subject and say it’s irrelevant again.”

Because IT IS irrelevant. Not only that, it’s a text case example of “tu quoque”, a logical fallacy.

“Bringing up the fact that US has constantly been at war since WWII is relevant to the discussion.”

No, it isn’t. And saying it is doesn’t make it.

“• Angemon says
March 3, 2016 at 8:58 pm
Peggy posted:
“The fact that Muslims have been killing non Muslims for that long is precisely the reason why the US should never have supported any of them expecially ISIS today.”

Are you OK with Russia supporting genocidal Iran, who’ve promised to destroy Israel, the only safe haven for Christians in the Middle East? Or does your criticism of supporting muslims stops at its borders?
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Example of how you switch to bashing Russia”

Stating demonstrable facts is “bashing Russia”? Dualspeak much? Russia supports genocidal Iran. Iran has vouched to destroy Israel. Israel is the only safe haven for Christians in the entire Middle East. Sorry, sweetheart, those are the facts, and pointing them out is not “bashing Russia”, it’s merely speaking the truth.

“because you won’t comment of what I say. Then you accuse me of being irrelevant.
You are a master of deflecting.”

Boy, you’re really deaf, blind AND stupid. Either you’re stupid enough to miss the gaping hole in your “logic” or you’re stupid enough to believe others will. Did I stated that what the US have done when supporting Assad’s enemies was right? No, I didn’t. Have you and CB tried to prop up Russia as being in the right when compared to the US? Yes, you have. Do you follow? Me saying “Russia is doing such and such and that’s wrong” and you replying “yeah, but the US did something else” is different that you and/or CB going “Russia is the alternative to the US because the US is doing such and such”, in which case it’s only fair to examine whether or not Russia is doing the same. If Russia is doing something similar or worse – like, for example, when you and/or CB accuse the US of defending genocidal jihadis and try to present Russia as an alternative while trying to hide Russia’s support of Iran, Hamas and Hexbollah – then your point is obliterated out of existence. Do you follow?

I can’t tell if you’re really stupid or if you’re just trolling by now. I’d say you’re a pro-Kremlin troll in a vein of CB, but Hanlon’s razor – never attribute to malice what can be genuinely explained by stupidity.

Regular visitors to this site are, almost to a man or woman, accustomed to the lies and misinformation of our leaders and their media outlets and likewise suspicious of anything and everything that is taken as ‘fact’ by the population at large, except it seems when Russia as a whole, or Putin or Assad as individuals, are mentioned.

I respectfully request that we stick to jihad, and leave Ukraine out of this particular equation, because the ignorance and wilful deceit by our trusted purveyors of truth knows no boundaries (remember their assertion that islam is religion of peace, if you need a further clue).

And you don’t need to like him, but Assad is a pluralistic and intelligent man playing hard-ball with a bunch of murderous savages in case you’d forgotten.

Sadly, war is war, and that’s why we should always oppose it, until there is no alternative.

Does everyone remember Obama bowing and kissing the hand of the King of Saudi Arabia? The King was a Sunni. Assad is a Shia. Doesn’t that give anyone the slightest hint that maybe Obama is on the side of the Shia?

In the seventh conversation (διάλεξις – controversy) edited by Professor Khoury, the emperor touches on the theme of the holy war. The emperor must have known that surah 2, 256 reads: “There is no compulsion in religion”. According to some of the experts, this is probably one of the suras of the early period, when Mohammed was still powerless and under threat. But naturally the emperor also knew the instructions, developed later and recorded in the Qur’an, concerning holy war. Without descending to details, such as the difference in treatment accorded to those who have the “Book” and the “infidels”, he addresses his interlocutor with a startling brusqueness, a brusqueness that we find unacceptable, on the central question about the relationship between religion and violence in general, saying: “Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.”[3] The emperor, after having expressed himself so forcefully, goes on to explain in detail the reasons why spreading the faith through violence is something unreasonable. Violence is incompatible with the nature of God and the nature of the soul. “God”, he says, “is not pleased by blood – and not acting reasonably (σὺν λόγω) is contrary to God’s nature. Faith is born of the soul, not the body. Whoever would lead someone to faith needs the ability to speak well and to reason properly, without violence and threats… To convince a reasonable soul, one does not need a strong arm, or weapons of any kind, or any other means of threatening a person with death…”.[4]

islam is not a religion. islam has always been a brutal, anti-western, world conquering ideology masquerading as a religion.

You would think with all the muslim committed atrocities down through history, including, of course 911, that the world would wake up, but no. Particularly sad is to watch Europe disappear into the bowels of the big islamic “attack by womb.” Europe was so much wiser in the age of the Crusades.

1) Most Europeans are religiously illiterate and don’t even realize religions differ greatly in their doctrines 2) European elites present themselves as experts on Islam, but they’ve read none of Islam’s foundational source texts. With such a gaping LACUNA OF IGNORANCE about Islam, how can Western elites be experts who can explain the ‘true’ meaning of Islam to us? They are only experts in puffery and flimflam! 3) cultural Marxist ‘political correctness’ (I.e. collectivist support for the ‘party line’) is slandering reasonable, intellectual arguments about Sharia law basis of terrorism and vigilantism and calling any such argument ‘racist’. The heckler’s veto is being used to preclude real, necessary debate.

(Apparently, the 14th-century Emperor Manuel II Paleologus had read at least the Koran and possibly some hadiths.)

General Breedlove maybe right to a certain small degree; but the European socialist elites who permit this mass immigration are the real problem. Invariably, the refugees want to go where they can get free money so they don’t have to work. This means that European governments will have to demand that their native populations pay higher taxes in order to support those who have no desire to work in their new country of residence. Eventually, each European country will be bankrupted by their socialist schemes as more money will go out than is coming in. The European native populations in many cases will rebel and civil war will ensue. Quite frankly, I am of the opinion that a civil war in Europe may happen sooner rather than later because many Europeans are now seeing the true face of a culture that hasn’t changed since the 7th century and want nothing to do with it.

Strange he seems to be against everyone criticizing the invasion from the islamic world and sharia rules.
Islam is not just about praying on a carpet five times a day. ISIS is not just about a few dangerous worriers. They easily can grow stronger in countries without good leadership.
Is he not worried to be replaced by a Nato leader appointed by the government in Saudi-Arabia, the arabic League or the Muslim Brotherhood or such?
Does he not care about Russia and its security as Europe turns islamic? Does he not care about Europe?
What can unite a divided islamic world better than an outside enemy? Especially the U.S.A. and Europe. Some 11.000 mosques from the north of Europe to the west, east and south spewing out hate against “the big Satan U.S.A “. and “the infidels in Europe”, threatening islam and the muslim world. Blaiming them for all faults and shortcomings in the muslim world.
Millions of infuriated and brainwashed muslim believers prepared to obey whatever is demanded from them to spread destruction.
There already are some 50 million in Europe now. Increase in numbers. With more and more influence Increasingly powerful as Europe grows weaker.
I think that the honorauble US General Breedlove and Nato have misinteprated seriously who and how the enemy is.
The ISIS is an enemy of course. As is a too powerful islamic congregation. That is the threat, not nationalists criticizing islam and the ongoing invasion from the muslim world,
NATO is under threat as well as Assad, Russia and all of Europe from the arab world.
Charles Martell (The hammer), Ferdinand and Isabella, Jan Sobieski, Eugen of Savoi are names wellknown in history for having stopped efforts from the muslim world to take over Europe historically.
Now it is up to us.
Islam is even worse and stronger then ever before. Never had that much influence in Europe as in the U.S.A. and the non muslim world as a whole. Europe must unite to stop it.

You say: “…. US General Breedlove and Nato have misinteprated seriously who and how the enemy is.”

I don’t think he has misinterpreted, on the contrary. But if I say this like so, than that would mean that WE are his enemy! Posing the question: How does Gen. Bredlove suggest that increased military expenditure towards Russia will solve our problem of being invaded by Muslim hordes?

General Philip Breedlove will shortly be looking for another job. He has made the cardinal mistake of speaking the truth about the Muslim 5th column swarming into Europe as ” refugees”.
Obama and Hillary will be outraged and panting to spill Islamophobic blood.

Breedlove warns about the muslim 5th column, posing as refugees, as a danger to Eurooe, but in the same breath condemns groups which are against these ‘refugees’, because they also are apparently a danger to Europe.

No, well calculated from a man hedging his bets – and giving a sh.t about Europe and its peoples. Doesn’t he know that the U.S. is next or simultaneously in line? ‘Cause he does, after all, that would be a boosting opportunity for his career.

The problem is not Islam. Islam is primitive and has not changed in 1600 years. The problem is the historically unprecedented collapse of governance in the West in favor of social anarchy in the name of ‘human rights’ that Islam is exploiting brillianty.

Everything after ISIS is spreading like cancer amongst European Muslims is complete gibberish due to the intentional scrubbing of words like, “Jihad” and “Islam” from the analytical lexicon our government is allowed to use under direct orders from Obama. It’s virtually impossible for any government agency to actually analyze this problem, and come to any rational truth.

Have you guys ever considered the possibility that we are more informed than some of these so called leaders?

Yeah, they might have more intelligence gathering; thus, more information, but it’s filtered through so much bullsh*t, political correctness, multiculturalism, biased agendas, etc., by the time it gets to them that it’s watered down like tasteless non fat milk.

When it becomes common knowledge that regular Islam is a Death Cult, the politicians and elites will have to concur or be booted out. They have NONE OF THEM read the source texts of Islam, and yet, they present themselves as knowledgeable about Islam. They are not. They are bluffing and guessing.

The public at this moment is equally unacquainted with Islam, but they are understanding that beheading is somehow Islamic, thanks to ISIS.

Write to your politicians and newspapers and tell them they need to read Islam’s source texts.

The only action a private citizen can now take is to prepare for the wars the elites demand and that the Muslims are already engaged in. All of America’s overseas military assets will be neutralized by various means, the EU will evaporate as it’s sycophantic parasites flee to Iceland and Brazil. NATO will form it’s troops into a circle and shoot each other while the UKs troops murder British Christians in their beds. America will be ablaze with contrived racial hatreds fanned by communists and Muslims alike.

Jihadis may hide in a cave
Jihadis may hide in a tree
Jihadis may walk on our streets
But no jihadi will tread on me
Jihadis may live in our turf
But in the shadows we’ll always lurk
They may roar and they may moan
But we’ll never leave them alone
They may fast and they may feast
But we’ll destroy the savage beast
They may run and they may hide
But our bullets will find their ugly hide

Again trying to place words in my mouth? Do you even want to be taken seriously?
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This is what you said previously:

Angemon says

March 3, 2016 at 11:29 am

sidney penny posted:

“Why is General Philip Breedlove blaming Kremlin and Assad?”

I don’t know about Assad, but for anyone following European politics, the Kremlin should be obvious. Putin supports all manner of anti-EU parties, whether on the fringe right or the fringe left.
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So if you don’t have a problem with the parties Putin is supporting what did you mean then?

“So if you don’t have a problem with the parties Putin is supporting what did you mean then?”

Are you deaf, blind AND dumb? What do you think I mean by pointing out Putin’s meddling in other country’s politics in response to SP asking why General Breedlove accuses the Kremlin of trying to shake European unity and infrastructure? Stop trying to derail the conversation. Would you be ok with, for example, the US or NATO supporting an anti-Putin party in Russia? I suspect you wouldn’t, hence why you need to pretend my bone is with the parties themselves rather with Putin’s actions. You can’t bring yourself to blame Putin for anything, can you? Heck, can you even acknowledge he ever did something wrong?

Stop trying to derail the conversation. Would you be ok with, for example, the US or NATO supporting an anti-Putin party in Russia
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They already to but double standards are fine with you when it comes to US.
I can hear things about Russia and I know that they have their spies, propaganda and the rest but that’s not the point here.
The point is that they are both the same with the west only being slightly worse because of all the wars they have started directly or indirectly since WWII.
i am not deaf, blind nor stupid. I can see that both governments are corrupt and ruthless. The fact that I keep pointing that out because you seem to be only concentrated on Russia doing bad seems to bother you a lot.
My point is that Russia is not the only bad guy here and certainly not the worst by far. How many terrorist organisations is the US supporting directly and indirectly? Russia supports Iran, yes, but the west supports a lot more Islam than that and the very Islamists which the west supports are the ones copping Christians’ heads off and murdering and raping Christian children and women.
Let’s deal with the evil being active NOW and we’ll deal with the other problem later.
So stop being so focused on Russia. Seeing how nobody here supports not involving Russia as a solution, maybe you are obsessed with the wrong party.
If they do believe that we should just keep bashing Russia and not want them to help they haven’t said anything.

Of course not – any comparison on that regard would make Russia look bad, and you’re trying to sell us the idea that they are just as bad but the West is the worst. Because you got pushback when you opted for the “Russia is great, the West sucks” approach, now you’re trying another tactic. Flies, honey, vinegar, etc.

“The point is that they are both the same with the west only being slightly worse because of all the wars they have started directly or indirectly since WWII.”

So, they are both the same, but one is worst? And how does wars started since WWII have anything to do with the matter at hand – you know, Syria, jihadis, etc.? It doesn’t. Also, go crack open a history book every once in a while. For example, who started the Korean War?

“i am not deaf, blind nor stupid. I can see that both governments are corrupt and ruthless.”

No, you see Western governments as corrupt while considering Putin a “patriot”. As for both being “ruthless”, how many political opponents of Obama, or Cameron, or Hollande were gunned down in the middle of the street, in front of their Senate/Parliament? How many journalists investigating Obama, Cameron or Hollande dies in mysterious circumstances?

“The fact that I keep pointing that out because you seem to be only concentrated on Russia doing bad seems to bother you a lot.”

I don’t see, for example, France , England or the US threatening my country or its neighbouring nations. I don’t see France, England or the US churning our propaganda meant to demonize me and my country. I don’t see France, England or the US meddling in my country’s politics. I don’t see France, England or the US triyng to divide and conquer Europe. I see Russia doing that. Frankly, your kind of blanket assertion of “both are equally bad but the West is the worst” not only flies in the face of what you’ve said so far, it’s also no different in nature than the logic used by people who go “all religions are bad, but Christianity is the worst of the bunch”.

Go ask the people in Latvia, Slovakia, Ukraine or even Poland if they’d rather live under Soviet rule or under democracy, then come back and tell me how the democratic, free West is “equally as bad but worse” than ruthless, authoritarian Russia.

“My point is that Russia is not the only bad guy here and certainly not the worst by far. ”

Again, flying in the face of logic and what you said previously. And I’d be hard-pressed to find someone worse than Putin – I’d need to look in muslim countries, or South American dictatorships.

“How many terrorist organisations is the US supporting directly and indirectly? Russia supports Iran, yes, but the west supports a lot more Islam than that and the very Islamists which the west supports are the ones copping Christians’ heads off and murdering and raping Christian children and women.”

Again: no one here tried to claim the US never supported any terrorist groups, islamic or otherwise. You and CB propped up Russia as a foil to the US. Admitting that Russia is supporting genocidal Iran, Hamas and Hezbollah but trying to downplay it by standing in the bodies of the victims of islamic terrorists and blaming them on the US doesn’t make your case any stronger – you’re still a hypocritical bigot. It just makes you look like a ghoul who feeds on the deaths of innocents to try and shame others. If you want to go there, that’s between you and your conscience. But remember: you’re willingly leaving out the many, many non-muslim victims of Iran’s regime and the Israeli victims of Hamas. Like the Fogel family – on 11 March 2011, five members of the same family were murdered in their beds. The victims were the father Ehud (Udi) Fogel, the mother Ruth Fogel, and three of their six children—Yoav, 11, Elad, 4, and Hadas, the youngest, a three-month-old infant, who was decapitated. That’s the kind of barbarity what you’re covering for. That, and the promises of nuclear war against Israel. Of course, seeing how the “Protocols of the Elders of Zion” were forged in Russia, that attitude of yours is to be expected.

“Let’s deal with the evil being active NOW and we’ll deal with the other problem later.”

Which evil? ISIS or Putin’s Russia?

“So stop being so focused on Russia.”

Nope. Not until Russia changes and stops lying about me.

“Seeing how nobody here supports not involving Russia as a solution”

Lol! Who made you the spokesperson of everyone here?

“maybe you are obsessed with the wrong party.”

And here it is: pointing out the evil Russia is doing is a mental illness. This is the same, in nature, than calling a critic of islam an “islamophobe”.

“If they do believe that we should just keep bashing Russia and not want them to help they haven’t said anything.”

What a gross misrepresentation – no one here is bashing Russia. There are facts pertaining Russia, and of you don’t like them, too bad. Dualspeak much? Plus, not only appeal to numbers is a logical fallacy, you’re also either ignorant of what people here say or you’re flat out lying. For example, take this recent post:

“A “patriot” that is running Russia into the ground, oppressing his people, persecuting, arresting and killing political opponents, journalists and human-rights activists in addition to exposing his people to unwarranted dangers? Gee, I’d love to know what you consider to be a tyrant”…

Thanks for noting that…I was about to throw up once again, in regards to seeing another American (?) so seemingly goddamn enamored of Putin.

I really wish those who seem so impressed by someone like Putin, would go move to Russia. They could go to some Ruskie parties with Snowdon…

I’m going to give you an alternative, Peggy (I know that’s not the Soviet tradition, but bear with me): perhaps the people who, like me, dislike Russia’s actions, look at what you’ve posted so far and think you’re not susceptible to logic, facts and reason, so they won’t even try.

I don’t know about Assad, but for anyone following European politics, the Kremlin should be obvious. Putin supports all manner of anti-EU parties, whether on the fringe right or the fringe left.
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Angemon says

March 3, 2016 at 9:53 pm

Peggy posted:

“Who are these anti EU parties you have a problem with?”

Again trying to place words in my mouth? Do you even want to be taken seriously?
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What was your statement in the first post meant to be then? It looks like you have a problem with Putin supporting all manner of anti -EU parties. If you don’t have a problem with those parties what did you mean then?

“What was your statement in the first post meant to be then? It looks like you have a problem with Putin supporting all manner of anti -EU parties. If you don’t have a problem with those parties what did you mean then?”

I mean just what I said, not what you implied I did. Whether or not I like Putin’s meddling on other nation’s political scene is completely independent of whether or not I like those parties. It’s not rocket science, Peggy – do try to keep up.

Anyway, do you deny that Putin has been supporting anti-European parties both right and left? Would you be ok with, for example, the US or NATO supporting an anti-Putin party in Russia? I suspect you wouldn’t, hence why you need to pretend my bone is with the parties themselves rather with Putin’s actions.

Again trying to place words in my mouth? Do you even want to be taken seriously?
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It was a question not a statement so how could I be putting words in your mouth then?
If you don’t have a problem with any of the parties Putin supports why even mention it? What was your point?

“It was a question not a statement so how could I be putting words in your mouth then?”

Because you implied I said things I did not say.

“If you don’t have a problem with any of the parties Putin supports why even mention it? What was your point?”

See my responses above. Would you be ok with, for example, the US or NATO supporting an anti-Putin party in Russia? I suspect you wouldn’t, hence why you need to pretend my bone is with the parties themselves rather than with Putin’s actions.

“It was a question not a statement so how could I be putting words in your mouth then?”

Because you implied I said things I did not say.

“If you don’t have a problem with any of the parties Putin supports why even mention it? What was your point?”
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Again, they were all questions. Are you a mind reader now? How do you know if I was implying anything by asking question?
Paranoid much?

“Are you a mind reader now? How do you know if I was implying anything by asking question?
Paranoid much?”

No, I simply use this thing called “logic”. When you say “Who are these anti EU parties you have a problem with?” you’re implying that I said “I have a problem with some European parties”. Which is something I did not say. I can imagine that for someone immune to logical reasoning, as you’ve shown to be, it may sound like mind-reading, but I can assure you it isn’t. Anyway, let’s get back on track: what do you think about Putin meddling in the internal policies of European nations? Do you think he’s right in doing so? What do you think his goal is? Would you think it would be OK if the US did the same?

The Kremlin and Assad intend, according to Breedlove, to use migration as a weapon to weaken European unity and infrastructure. A DESPICABLE LIE.

AGAINST OUR WILL, British and European ruling elites colonised our small nations with 52 million Muslims and then invited the Huge Muslim Third World to INVADE in the full knowledge that most of the Muslim invaders are NOT fleeing war, are NOT from Syria and that they are almost all Muslim males of WAR fighting age.

And knowing full well they were inviting and allowing in many thousands of ISIS and other Barbaric Muslim Terrorist MONSTERS.

The wicked goal of the rabidly pro-Islam, anti-Christian UN, EU, other Western leader God-haters, Muslims and the OIC is the REPLACEMENT of white European Christians with Muslims and Islamic Conquest of our cherished nations.

Like fools we have played right into their hands.
This is one body that has been working on this massive plan for New World Order to control the masses.

The Globalist, Muslim Brotherhood, Nazis, Papacy all done their best to control us. They have all worked together to kill millions.

They have had wars for centuries but never could conquer all countries with the strongest been Christian that fought back united.
They could not conquer by force, so do it by stealth to create wars to create refugees, and with the help of UN and EU to push refugees as humanitarian.

These groups have broken down the fabric of countries strength by breaking down Christian laws, selling of countries to Asia etc, create unenployment, destroy companies, bring the mighty country to it’s knees. They allow our children to explore sexuality, enjoy seeing violence, so they have learnt this free society. You cannot even hang terrorist, rapist, gruesome violent attrocities. Put them in prision and let them out next week to do it again or move them elsewhere. Papacy is good at it with eg. George Pells child abuse hearings.

Does not help with Feminists, Athiest, Gay groups, supporters of refugees to break down our freedoms, because countries broken down donnot stand strong.

They push refugees world wide, when the refugees should have stood and fought. Now the cancer spreads world wide, with many believing the lie that Islam spread Religion Of Peace, their Allah is our God, their Jesus is our Jesus, Mary, Abraham and so on, that even the Pope has joined the call. No their God is Allah, their Jesus is prophet Jesus (Isa). They are plagerised from the Bible written well before the book of hate the Quran. One must start to see there is good and bad in this world and fight for righteousness. Allow them to win and mayhem plays where child abuse, slavery and death will be well played.

The Femminist and Gays will be stoned, thrown of roofs. Females under Islam is lower than a dog. Every ones freedom will go, say something wrong and it becomes blasphemy. Females even when raped will be called adulterers and stoned to death after whippings.
Globalist brought up all small companies, media putting all under one control, also multination companies, Globalist funded Hitler WW2, we were also fighting against Islam both wars, even though a very few fought alongside allied forces.

Words like Ustaša, Waffen SS, Handschar, even nuns and priest ran concentration camps even taking part in attrocities alongside the Muslims. Indonesian

This is only skimming the surface of history
Even the word Genocide coined by Raphael Lemkin in memory of the Armenian Genocide and now under Hitler

Our aid has been channeled to help Islam with yearly donations of hundreds of millions by each country wwhile they spend billions on defence. Eg Australia, UK, USA, Dutch aid to Indonesia while this year they are spending 18 billion (US) on defence that Indonesia slides up Global World Power that even Australia is now behind.

The Serbian/Bosnian war was a lie promoted by media. No one head of the mass killings of Serbian Christians 1991 that the Muslims did alongside the Croation Catholics.

One big name the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem.Amin Al HusseiniHusseini the real mouth behind the world Muslim Brotherhood, Al Banna may have formed it in Egypt 1928, but the Mufti was pure evil, even stopping the Jews leaving Germany for Palestine, sending two thousand children to gas chambers. Yaffat, Hussan and many others have ties to the Mufti.

I always wonder how many of these Globalist have harems of female slaves, selling us out to Islam especially backnearly 20 th century, with many underage

… Criminals are cowards who always instantly Submit to the simple idea of extortion as if it’s already fact.

They see the fearful threat AS pain itself… and that goes for seeing themselves always outnumbered by gangs and permanently in a state of “eternal struggle” (as the communazis put it) to free them selves.

Humans have hardly any natural instincts at all – not even basic survival ones – so this phenomenon of politically correct treason and automatic submission to gangster extortion isn’t a sheeple/herd instinct – it’s really only an individual “I-don’t-want-to-be-beaten-or-eaten-by-the-big-scary-gang” CALCULATION.

However short-sighted and “lib-TARDED” it is, however knee-jerk the self-trained habit becomes, it’s still a CHOICE; and that indicates criminal intent which is only disguised as non-compus-mentis victimology. “Politics” itself is a form of power-trading, where each politician tries to trick the others by buying-you-low to sell-me-as-the-most-high. It’s standard buy-low/sell-high competition.

Liberals always want to position them selves as fine fellows to go along to get along, because they see instant submission and compromise with any and all scary scenarios as practicality and realpolitik.

They also instantly slander those who don’t see suicidal masochism as the highest moral virtue, and the offending of criminals, in hurting their feelings with the painful truth that they are only really criminals, by accusing them of their crimes, as the acts of intolerant, mean-spirited greedy people – as the “real criminals.”

And they always seem to benefit financially from their chosen criminal negligence, because after all, “there’s no money in solutions!” Whee.

I am seek of the West blaming Russia for everything. It was the EU and especially the US that organized the ousting of the elected Ukrainian president, as well as the Kiev riots. If it weren’t for that, Russia wouldn’t have annexed Crimea or started bombing Syria. Russia won’t shy away from a worldwide conflicts. These NATO morons are going to start the third world war.

Lol! What happened to “now, now, let’s stick to the point, we need to fight islam and jihad”? Oh, yeah, it only applies if I criticize Russia. If an obvious paid troll comes and makes a series on unsubstantiated claims and blames “The West” for what Russia does, then its “absolutely correct”. So you’re saying that Russia started bombing Syria because of the riots in Ukraine? Care to give some references?

Don’t be childish, Peggy. You’re writing on a public message board – you’re “talking” to everyone who can read your posts.

Anyway, since you’re “talking” to me now, you might as well get on with it: what happened to “now, now, let’s stick to the point, we need to get together on a common ground to fight islam and jihad”? Oh, yeah, it only applies when I criticize Russia or Putin. If an obvious paid troll comes and makes a series on unsubstantiated claims and blames “The West” for what Russia does, then its “absolutely correct”. So you’re saying that Russia started bombing Syria because of the riots in Ukraine? Care to give some references?

When CB hates “the West”, is he hating the government or the people? When CB hates LGBT having equal rights is he hating the government or the people?
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Some people like me when we use the term west mean western government not he people and when I read CBs posts that’s what I see. \
Now LGBT is another matter. When I said that I disagree with him on some points this is what I meant and sure I believe that CB is intolerant of LGBT members of our society but it still doesn’t make him hate all westerners. He has never said he hates people from western countries but yes, he has admitted to hating LGBTs.
If you think he hates everyone from the west then go ahead and show me where he has actually stated that. Being angry at the west could mean western governments and certain groups only. I am not defending CB but only pointing out how I interpret his post. It’s obvious we don’t get the same meaning. Who’s right and who’s wrong is only a matter of perception.
Never forget that not everyone sees the same way.

“Some people like me when we use the term west mean western government not he people and when I read CBs posts that’s what I see.”

Right, even when CB goes out of his way to let us know that he hates the West and specifically refers to its culture and freedoms you still try to whitewash it. You’re not fooling anyone, you know?

“Now LGBT is another matter.”

Except it isn’t because it is about the people, not the governments.

“When I said that I disagree with him on some points this is what I meant and sure I believe that CB is intolerant of LGBT members of our society but it still doesn’t make him hate all westerners.”

No, just the ones that think, for example, that homosexuals should have equal rights under the law. Meaning the vast majority of them. On the other hand, he just might get along with muslims on that regard…

“If you think he hates everyone from the west”

I think he and the millions of muslims living in Europe would get along fine – Russia wants to destabilize European countries and the European Union, and so do muslims. CB thinks that gays and lesbians shouldn’t have the same rights as everyone else, and so do muslims

“then go ahead and show me where he has actually stated that.”

You know this thing called “reasoning” where you look at a series of premises and derive a conclusion from them?… You know, kinda like when you say “he’s just angry at the governments of the West”, except that with a conclusion that actually fits the available data instead of laughing in its face.

“ I am not defending CB”

Yes, you are.

“but only pointing out how I interpret his post.”

This is hilarious because you demanded the following from me:

If you think he hates everyone from the west then go ahead and show me where he has actually stated that.

Dual standards much?

“Who’s right and who’s wrong is only a matter of perception.
Never forget that not everyone sees the same way.”

Really? You’re really going with a post-modernism approach now? The same kind of approach used to justify cultural relativism, jihadi murdering and islamic imperialism? “Well, we can’t criticize muslims for killing apostates – right and wrong are just a matter or perception”. And it’s clear what by “matter of perception” you mean that I’m wrong and you’re right. Pull my other leg.

I was wrong to engage with you again. That was a really big mistake because you know what they say about arguing with a fool.
You are one of those annoying people who won’t give a reply with a counter and a reference. All you do is try to discredit or distort what a person is saying by putting your own interpretation and spin on it.
You are a definition of a troll.
I won’t make that mistake again, i can assure you. One person has stopped engaging you and he is absolutely correct. I will follow his lead.

“I was wrong to engage with you again. That was a really big mistake because you know what they say about arguing with a fool.”

I know, but I still discuss things with you. Not for your sake, because you’ve shown to be impervious to logic and facts, but for the sake of informing others that might happen to read through it.

“You are one of those annoying people who won’t give a reply with a counter”

Except that I have. But funny, coming from you.

“and a reference.”

What do you want a reference for? That Russia is aligning itself with Iran? That the “Protocols of the Elders of Zion” were forged in Russia? That Iran has vouched to wipe Israel out of the map? That water is wet? Did you ever gave a reference to back anything you said?

“All you do is try to discredit or distort what a person is saying by putting your own interpretation and spin on it.”

Says the person who asked me, upon me stating that Russia is meddling in the internal politics of EU-member countries, which were the parties I had a problem with, as if I have said that I had a problem with those parties. Oh, sorry, that’s a reference, the sort of thing you claimed I won’t give. Ups!

And you accuse mme of “putting my own interpretation” on things when your whole goddamned post was about how the way you allegedly interpreted what CB wrote was the right way? You double-standard hypocrite.

“You are a definition of a troll.”

Nope. Not by the standard definition. But you’ve shown you don’t do standard definitions, so…

“I won’t make that mistake again, i can assure you. One person has stopped engaging you and he is absolutely correct. I will follow his lead.”

You mean the person you told what amounted to “I stopped arguing with Angemon, and you should do the same”? You’re going to take their lead and do what you stated you were doing to begin with?

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