And Manuel doesn't have a hitch in his release either. Manuel also does have very good touch, as evidenced by how good he is at throwing screens.

Manuel's flaw is that he doesn't have consistent throwing mechanics. He too often just lays the ball out there instead of really driving through the throw. I like Manuel in terms of throws shorter than 10 yards and over 30 yards. What makes me worry is those throws in between. He needs to drive through the ball and really put it in there. He has to get rid of that tendency where he just flips the ball out there.

I was on Manuel even before the senior bowl. He and Nassib are the only two guys who I could see becoming good NFL Qb's if some things go right. Nassib I like but his deep throws are absolutely horrible. He has to fix that or he just won't be more than a Fitzpatrick at best case.

What makes Manuel and Nassib both very good potentially is the pocket awareness. Manuel does not care one bit if free runners come through. Nassib is absolutely elite when it comes to stepping up in the pocket and his release is just lightning.

And Manuel doesn't have a hitch in his release either. Manuel also does have very good touch, as evidenced by how good he is at throwing screens.

Manuel's flaw is that he doesn't have consistent throwing mechanics. He too often just lays the ball out there instead of really driving through the throw. I like Manuel in terms of throws shorter than 10 yards and over 30 yards. What makes me worry is those throws in between. He needs to drive through the ball and really put it in there. He has to get rid of that tendency where he just flips the ball out there.

I was on Manuel even before the senior bowl. He and Nassib are the only two guys who I could see becoming good NFL Qb's if some things go right. Nassib I like but his deep throws are absolutely horrible. He has to fix that or he just won't be more than a Fitzpatrick at best case.

What makes Manuel and Nassib both very good potentially is the pocket awareness. Manuel does not care one bit if free runners come through. Nassib is absolutely elite when it comes to stepping up in the pocket and his release is just lightning.

i guess the question is, will idzik want to invest a 2nd round pick, and a high one at that, on a developmental qb. the jets could easily take a pass rusher in the first, and then if they take a qb in the 2nd they basically didn't address offensive skill positions for the 2013 season.

Gotta take a QB in this draft and the guy i like is Bray in the 2nd or 3rd.

He has the package: Arm, Size and quick release.

Money is right: 2nd or 3rd round won't hurt if he's a dud, but Oh the upside.

Need is there: We don't have a QB.

Don't force value because of need. Even if he is a dud the team will spend years and resources on a guy selected in the 2nd round. Qb is the most important position on the team. If you are going to get one get a good one.

Bray sucks so don't bother with that. You can't fix head issues and he just doesn't have any of the mental side.

And I understand people just wanting to shun the QB position altogether, but statistically speaking, at least one of these guys will end up being a pretty good NFL QB.

I don't think Glennon is the guy although sometimes he gets me excited. The only other 2 guys I'd consider are Nassib and Manuel. I think their major positives will help big time in their move to the NFL.

Bray sucks so don't bother with that. You can't fix head issues and he just doesn't have any of the mental side.

And I understand people just wanting to shun the QB position altogether, but statistically speaking, at least one of these guys will end up being a pretty good NFL QB.

I don't think Glennon is the guy although sometimes he gets me excited. The only other 2 guys I'd consider are Nassib and Manuel. I think their major positives will help big time in their move to the NFL.

wouldn't mind if the jets took nassib but the ceiling just doesn't seem that high. and they'd probably have to take him in the 2nd anyway, maybe even trade up ahead of buff. just doesn't seem worth it. would rather have manuel b/c of height and running ability. don't want another 6'2" qb.

6' 5" 240 lb quarterbacks who run a 4.65 don't come around too often. And they certainly don't come with a resume' like EJ's. I've been at FSU for his whole career and I can definitely understand why people wouldn't take him in the 1st (Occasionally breaks down in the pocket, Inconsistent velocity on passes, locking down on primary receivers... etc) but these are common issues with rookie QB's, and may have also been brought on by Jimbo Fisher's confusing and overly conservative offense. In fact, these flaws could end up pushing him right into the Jet's lap at #39. I think an honest to God competition between Sanchez and Manuel, combined with upgrades to OL, RB, OLB, and WR could give us all something to watch next year. Are there any quarterbacks you all like? (Please don't say Glennon... )

If he was able to change his mechanics, then that would definitely be a plus, but it would be interesting to see if he would instinctually revert back to his old mechanics once a Ngata or Wilfork are collapsing the pocket and breathing down his neck

And Manuel doesn't have a hitch in his release either. Manuel also does have very good touch, as evidenced by how good he is at throwing screens.

Manuel's flaw is that he doesn't have consistent throwing mechanics. He too often just lays the ball out there instead of really driving through the throw. I like Manuel in terms of throws shorter than 10 yards and over 30 yards. What makes me worry is those throws in between. He needs to drive through the ball and really put it in there. He has to get rid of that tendency where he just flips the ball out there.

I was on Manuel even before the senior bowl. He and Nassib are the only two guys who I could see becoming good NFL Qb's if some things go right. Nassib I like but his deep throws are absolutely horrible. He has to fix that or he just won't be more than a Fitzpatrick at best case.

What makes Manuel and Nassib both very good potentially is the pocket awareness. Manuel does not care one bit if free runners come through. Nassib is absolutely elite when it comes to stepping up in the pocket and his release is just lightning.

I worked for FSU football team during spring ball after CP7 went pro. EJ doesn't have a big NFL arm. EJ will take 15 yard sacks every game. He's a good kid and will work extremely hard. But he will need at least 3 years to develop to become a starter.

I worked for FSU football team during spring ball after CP7 went pro. EJ doesn't have a big NFL arm. EJ will take 15 yard sacks every game. He's a good kid and will work extremely hard. But he will need at least 3 years to develop to become a starter.

As would any other QB in this draft class. This is not a good year for the QB position in the draft Manuel in the 2nd or 3rd round is a way better and safer move than Barkley or Smith in rd 1. Warmack Puh-lease.

I think Smith and Manuel are the two QBs most likely to be successful out of this draft. I'm not saying they will, but if I had to bet it would be them and I would have no complaints taking either of those guys (though I'd prefer Manuel in the 3rd, not 2nd). Who knows if he'll last until the 3rd based on his Sr. Bowl and Combine performances. Barkley, Glennon, etc. on the other hand, nahhhh dawg.

I can really see Manuel as a guy who you groom on the bench for a year and then unleash at some point in year 2.

If we take a QB in Round 2 or beyond, he better at least have some physical tools.

I think Smith and Manuel are the two QBs most likely to be successful out of this draft. I'm not saying they will, but if I had to bet it would be them and I would have no complaints taking either of those guys (though I'd prefer Manuel in the 3rd, not 2nd). Who knows if he'll last until the 3rd based on his Sr. Bowl and Combine performances. Barkley, Glennon, etc. on the other hand, nahhhh dawg.

I can really see Manuel as a guy who you groom on the bench for a year and then unleash at some point in year 2.

If we take a QB in Round 2 or beyond, he better at least have some physical tools.

Manuel has a shot just b/c he is a physical specimen. He's Daunte Culpepper without the insane arm strength. The rest of these qb's in this draft are garbage.