Can we please just fire Norv Turner now? Yet another 10+ penalty game for the Raiders, 3 of which directly resulted in TD's for Indy. Ever heard of discipline Norv?

I know he can't completely control what the players do, but when your defensive lineman are jumping off-sides on a f**king punt when it's 4th & 3, you need to start seriously cracking some heads. That's simply asinine.

Can we please just fire Norv Turner now? Yet another 10+ penalty game for the Raiders, 3 of which directly resulted in TD's for Indy. Ever heard of discipline Norv?

I know he can't completely control what the players do, but when your defensive lineman are jumping off-sides on a f**king punt when it's 4th & 3, you need to start seriously cracking some heads. That's simply asinine.

After watching him for 7 seasons at the helm of the Redskins, I cannot believe that man got another shot at a head coaching job.

He had a losing record against every team in our division...including the godawful Arizona Cardinals!

Falcons came back down to Earth. 49rs actually won a game (in OT on the arm of Rattay's 57 passing attempts) and the Browns got rolled up and smoked by the Steelers. All in all, it's been a pretty bad week. I sure hope that the Skins can beat the Ravens to at least salvage the end of it. Not that I like the Skins, but I HATE the Ravens.

Seeing Bettis score his 6th rushing TD with under 30 yds rushing this season puts a smile on my face. :o

Just went I thought they were done, I go to my friends house, on the way I listen to them on the radio and hear that the Cardinals scored again. I switched to my CD's go to the store, come back, and hear that Lloyd scored a TD and is 2 pts away for the tie. I speed to my friends place, tell him to turn on the 49ers game, and watch them win. Wish I knew what happened in between. Didn't think they would come back

Wish I knew what happened in between. Didn't think they would come back

From what I heard (as I wasn't watching the game, just sorta listening to it at work), the 49ers started their comeback on a 70+ yard kickoff return for a touchdown. After that, they scored another touchdown AND got a 2-point conversion with about a minute left on the clock (tying the game)

Then I started watching the game in earnest, as I hate the Cardinals (even though I live in AZ).

Cardinals try to come back, but after losing 9 yards after their QB gets clobbered (nobody in the defense even touched the guy), they punt. Then the 49ers take the knee.

Overtime!

The 49ers got the ball and pretty much just walked down the field. One field goal later from about the 30 yard line, and the game was over.

Nice blow, Cardinals. Losses like this show that you truly are the worst team in the NFL. It's too bad that the voters are so goddamned stupid that they voted to make you a nice new stadium for your shitty selves.

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Wish I knew what happened in between. Didn't think they would come back

From what I heard (as I wasn't watching the game, just sorta listening to it at work), the 49ers started their comeback on a 70+ yard kickoff return for a touchdown. After that, they scored another touchdown AND got a 2-point conversion with about a minute left on the clock (tying the game)

Then I started watching the game in earnest, as I hate the Cardinals (even though I live in AZ).

Cardinals try to come back, but after losing 9 yards after their QB gets clobbered (nobody in the defense even touched the guy), they punt. Then the 49ers take the knee.

Overtime!

The 49ers got the ball and pretty much just walked down the field. One field goal later from about the 30 yard line, and the game was over.

Nice blow, Cardinals. Losses like this show that you truly are the worst team in the NFL. It's too bad that the voters are so goddamned stupid that they voted to make you a nice new stadium for your shitty selves.

Actually that 71 TD return I saw, and that gave them 12 pts, and they missed the 2pt off that TD. I'm missing the TD after that. I walked in on the tying TD/2PT conversion.

edit: Rams win in overtime on a long bomb, HAHAHA! My favorite game this year!

MOTHERF*CKER!

That's all I could say when I saw the end of that game. Man was I chapped. The color guy nailed it though. He said if the Seahawks want to be considered upper echelon, they need to do what the Eagles and Pats do when they're ahead: put teams away. The 'Hawks scored 3 points in the second half after putting up 24 in the first.

Being a long time Lions fan and seeing them at 3-1 after beating the undefeated Falcons on the road, I am cautiously intrigued. The offense seemed a bit stagnant, but that was in part due to the game plan ( run the ball eat the clock and keep Vick off the field) but the defense did an exceptional job. Oh by the way, Chicago, thanks for Dick Jaron, we really needed a quality defensive coach, and you gave us one. Anyway, being a Lions fan, you always have to wonder "when the bottom gonna fall out" as it always seems to do, but at least this year it looks like the season may be interesting. Oh and while on the subject of football, a big thanks goes out to Minnesota for once again collasping in the 4th quarter against U of Myou had us by the short and curlies and let us go, thanks once again.

Unfortunately, the injury bug has started to hit the Lions pretty hard. It looks like Williams might have a high ankle sprain (an MRI is scheduled for today), while Rogers, Jones, and Bly are already out. Though I'm not a Lion's fan, it's nice to see them win some games.

The Panthers, on the other hand, aren't doing so hot. Unlike last year, we keep making stupid plays at the end of the game that cost us. That unsportsman like penalty that put us out of FG range with a couple of minutes left possibly cost us the game. Plus, injuries to Smith, Davis, and now Foster have taken a pretty heavy toll. Unless we have a major tournaround, tt doesn't look like we're going to make it back to the playoffs.

That had to be the game of the day yesterday. Just an absolutley amazing game that may have determined the Rams fate in the '04 season. So, My Rams won! My Colts won! And, for the first time this year, BOTH of my fantasy teams won!

My god, last night was brutal. At one point, when the Redskins kicked a field goal to make the score 3-0, I thought that score might have held up the entire game.

My team is awful. Brunell is one of the worst QBs I've seen in a Skins uniform, which considering we had such limelights as Heath Shuler, Tony Banks, John Friesz, etc., says quite a lot.

God that offense is awful.

Ya, Eight, fortunately I TiVo'd the game starting around 3 minutes before the half thru the end, so I saw the touchdown, which was surely the highlight. And I was able to go thru most of the 2nd half on medium speed, so I only wasted about an hour of my life this morning....

I dunno what the deal is with the offense. The line has been banged up, and losing Jensen was a bummer. I'm thinking that Portis can't run a counter trey - heck I don't think of him as a straight ahead, dog it out runner - he seems more like a slashing/end around type of guy. One play in the 3rd quarter when the Skins had 2nd and 6 and he gained 5 yards then was stopped COLD by a defender, I just thought... "sheesh, he seems way too small out there". Do ya think our offensive line is making Portis look so bad? Cuz I THINK he's a good runner...

and Brunell... ya, he's looked REALLY uncomfortable out there for all but about 2 quarters this season... way underthrowing all passes > 15 yards, and last night he couldn't complete a short pass to save his life.

I can't decide if they are really horribly awful, or if our expectation were just way too high... or both. :?

P.S., Tony Banks... gee thanks, I had forgotten him! :cry:

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I heard a great comment the other day on SIRIUS about Portis. They (Riggins and ????) were saying that Portis runs too quickly to the hole to run the counter. He doesn't let the play develope in front of him. Anyhow, the suggestion was to line Portis up a yard deeper to give the line more time to open the holes and allow the blocking to develope.

Another problem is clock management. I didn't see the last game against the Ravens but the previous two games, the clock management was terrible.

I am not a Skins fan at all but I would think Gibbs can iron out the issues. If not, perhaps the game has passed him by.

How long before the love affair is over and the media here in Washington start ripping Gibbs a new ass? If it were anyone except Joe Redskin they would have had his ass by now.

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Looks like another long year for the Raiders. When Gannon went down, i thought Collins would be the right man they needed for the offense to get going again. The way he played yesterday, he couldn't hit the side of of barn and can't get out of his own shadow. I hate to say this, but,....i want Gannon back.

Originally posted by Maelef:Looks like another long year for the Raiders. When Gannon went down, i thought Collins would be the right man they needed for the offense to get going again. The way he played yesterday, he couldn't hit the side of of barn and can't get out of his own shadow. I hate to say this, but,....i want Gannon back.

I, being a Chiefs die-hard, can't say I feel sorry for a Raiders fan. That said, I did think Collins was the best option there. Bigger arm and younger/more durable. Tuisisopo (Sp?) time in Oakland?

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I heard a great comment the other day on SIRIUS about Portis. They (Riggins and ????) were saying that Portis runs too quickly to the hole to run the counter. He doesn't let the play develope in front of him. Anyhow, the suggestion was to line Portis up a yard deeper to give the line more time to open the holes and allow the blocking to develope.

Yeah that's one of the problems with the counter-trey; it works with quick backs (see Joe Washington), but doesn't work with quick and impatient backs (see Clinton Portis). The problem with the run game is far bigger than Clinton Portis, however.

The big issue with our offense is that Mark Brunell is freaking awful. With his 5 yard grandma arm, defenses have no respect for our passing game. They can basically ram 8 people at the line of scrimmage every play (making running impossible), since they're not afraid of being burnt deep.

A deep pass for Mark Brunell is the 17 yard square in. He has absolutely no arm left in the NFL anymore.

If we had a credible passing threat, defenses couldn't runblitz all day long. They'd get burnt. However, with Brunell either underthrowing receivers, making gorgeous tosses into the ground, or throwing high over the middle getting the wideouts slaughtered (See Ray Lewis killing Lavernaeus Coles as a good example), we have no passing threat.

Our best play is the bootleg to Tight End. 6 yards, when it's not covered tightly (which is rare).

Thank you Buffalo. As a Cowboys fan, this year my favorite team is whoever is playing the Bills every week. Top 5 pick next year baby! And frankly, this Cowboys team was never going to go anywhere anyway, so tanking it would be nice, maybe we can get 2 top 10 picks in next year's draft.

Thank you Buffalo. As a Cowboys fan, this year my favorite team is whoever is playing the Bills every week.

My favorite Bill fact now is that since Donohue took over the team, the Patriots have more wins in a row then the Bills have wins. Pretty amusing to think that Takeo Spikes fled Cinncy for its losing ways only to end up in Buffalo. The Bills continue to amaze with how poorly and stupidly some of the players play, and how they crack under pressure.