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I have read of such things, albeit from exiled dissidents. The guys in that video did make direct reference to such goings on?

The thing is, if you have a large population like you say and the VAST majority of them use something like tor then they cannot target the select few.

That point was also made in the video, although the emphasis was on diversity of users rather than quantity. The underlying message is the same: "don't stand out" ?

Something like chinas army , strength in numbers, but not so mobile

If everyone in China's army used Tor, it would solve their government's problems instantly................... if my experience of Tor performance is anything to go by

If you cannot do someone any good: don't do them any harm....
As long as you did this to one of these, the least of my little ones............you did it unto Me.
What profiteth a man if he gains the entire World at the expense of his immortal soul?

Why on earth are Germany and Japan on that list? Both democracies... O__o

WWII, war criminals, genocide.............................

If you cannot do someone any good: don't do them any harm....
As long as you did this to one of these, the least of my little ones............you did it unto Me.
What profiteth a man if he gains the entire World at the expense of his immortal soul?

WW2 has been over for longer than most of us have been alive. As an American Citizen of German Descent, I had nothing to do with WW2, and yet I've personally been called a Nazi JUST because I was speaking to someone in German who needed help and didn't understand English very well.

Germany's laws on Computing are fairly open. And by the way, if you want to find Nazi War Criminals, you don't look in Germany, you look in the US and South America. Period.

Do you know it's a Thousand Euro fine in Germany for doing a Salut?and that there are no Police Brutality laws, so, as I've personally seen; Cops will hold down neo-nazis for you to kick the **** out of.

Today's dissidents face similar issues to resistance workers in German and Japanese occupied territories back in those days.

Just as the GeStaPo and SS had their IBM, new American corporations have arisen to provide the same supporting role to today's dictatorships.

Do you know it's a Thousand Euro fine in Germany for doing a Salut?

Yes, and "Holocaust Denial" will get you a prison sentence................ it happened, we must deal with it and learn from it. One of those lessons is that which is innocent in one environment or scenario might be far from it in another.

For years the US had had strict laws on the export of crypto products, yet crypto products have never played a significant role in the oppression of entire populations AFAIK.

Time to update the rules guys................................

Last edited by nihil; January 13th, 2012 at 02:00 PM.

If you cannot do someone any good: don't do them any harm....
As long as you did this to one of these, the least of my little ones............you did it unto Me.
What profiteth a man if he gains the entire World at the expense of his immortal soul?

That's actually true.... Sadly... You could "Import" Any Encryption you wanted, however, anything here, that was made here, or imported here, could not then be exported except for institutions like banks and things and other places the US allowed people to use it who weren't here.

I have NO idea how they got that to work out for everyone. Funnier with this story is that OpenBSD and OpenSSH, were both done in Canada.

And I agree with German law; If you do that Salut, you deserve to get the **** beat out of you at gun point. And, you are correct, if you are in fact stupid enough to deny anything that happened, you WILL pay for it.

As someone of direct German Descent, who's both into History, and proud to be German, I can tell you that the AUSTRIAN named Hitler, has put a permanent stain on our people.

I think you were actually born back then but I Honestly don't remember your Age Nihil; All I remember is you're "old" lol. Don't take that the wrong way of course, but you know what I mean I think. So I don't know if you were around back then, though I'm pretty sure you were, but what happened in the first half of the 20th Century in Germany, was disgrace.

We make THE best Cars anywhere on this Earth. We invented the Hypodermic Needle, which changed the way medicine was done forever! We did Hydrocodone, Oxycodone, Hydromorphone, Oxymorphone, and we were the first to take Raw Opium, and pull out the pure Morphine, allowing for REAL surgery to be performed!

We also invented Techno, Industrial, and making music with machines. And in WW2, a German came up with something that today is used for pain and Heroin Addiction known as "Methadone" because Hitler's top Pilot, was a Morphine Addict, and they were running low on Morphine, so, they needed to make something similar to it, and what they created, was Methadone. It was initially made to work like Morphine, but it's not as strong, doesn't kill pain as well, but, it does last a very long time, meaning you can go longer without taking something.

Oh and they, at the same time, invented Fanta. Lol.

But when you say German, does anyone think of those things? No, they think of a ****ing Austrian who hid the fact that there were Jews in his Family.

A Madman, like no other! That Mother ****er wasn't even German! Austria stopped being called "Kleine Deutschland" a long time ago, and therefore, is not part of Germany. Master Race.... Pffft. The Master Race, it appears, is NOTHING compared to the HUMAN Race.

I don't know what would make anyone hate the Jews. Mel Gibson is an *******. Hitler, who still has living Relatives here in the US, will not exist once they die. Every one of Hitler's living Relatives, has not Married, or had Children. They know what their Ancestor has done, and they don't want the name Hitler to go on, and so they have all taken an oath of no Children. NONE of them are having kids. All because of what he has done.

The Smear in German History, will always be there, but, they seem to have the right ideal; Letting that blood line, die out.

There's a lot of stuff to be proud of being German for; I named almost every Pain Killer on the Market today, and they were all done in Germany, by taking Opium, something God Put here for us all, and then, finding what ingredients made it up, such as Morphine, Codeine, and Thebaine, and then, playing with those to make new things!

And of course the Cars, the Music, and, the Autobahn! All of these things, and yet people still assume Nazi to this day! And WOOOO does England HATE us! Nihil, being from England, I'm sure you've heard anti German sentiment in your life; I know I have.

As for how people think about Jews; Jesus was Jewish. Therefore, anyone who hates them, probably isn't thinking to clearly. I don't care if people say they control Wealth and Media, I really don't. The Jews have been everything from slaves to murder victims.

Damn this is off topic lol. But Nihil, as I recall, you too, are a History buff, so I think we're OK.