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But I've been pretty dissatisfied with W8. I saw Windows 10, and it had this friggin' horrible start menu. What is with the stupid -Blam-ing start menu square system? These squares are some fake imitation of "style", but they completely lack functionality. It's not only damn well disorganized, it doesn't really look good either, unless you were on Microsoft's developing team. Stupid squares.

Is Windows 10 really an improvement? The changes to the folders in Windows 8 were painful. My whole experience with using windows 8's folder system has just been pretty painful, to this day. Finding things, and getting places is consistently annoying, and difficult.

I doubt

I want to switch to W7, and stay away from W10. I can't possibly imagine anything wrong with Windows 7. I think we can all agree that it hasn't been very bad at all. Is W10 a necessary improvement? The only reason I'm asking now, and considering upgrading to 10 is because I read Forbes saying that Microsoft said this is the last windows. And also, upgrading after this free period will be extremely expensive.

But this laptop I'm using here, I'm going to replace when I go to college......

Mainly, i'm interested about the evalutations from people who hated windows 8, wanted to return, and like me, wasn't so sure windows 10 would be a good idea.

After reading the reviews when 8 / 8.1 first came out, I decided that it was the best way to go

EDIT, To add this site link ..
I have a Windows 8.1 desktop that looks like the Left side picture at This Download Site
I operate it 99% like a Windows 7 system, but I get updates for Windows 8 as it is Windows 8 with a slight face change.

I have never bothered with passwords on the desktop unit, because if they steal the box / screen and all bits, it would not matter..

Using Windows 7 on my laptop and desktop, wife using Windows 8.1 on her laptop. I upgraded my laptop and my wife's laptop to Windows 10. Briefly, here are my initial thoughts:

I'm leaving W10 on her laptop because W8 is a steaming pile of poo. She likes 10 much better and it is a noticeable improvement over 8, albeit with some tweaks.

It's a bit different for my systems. One of the first things I noticed about W10 was how deep Microsoft reaches into your privacy and personal information. You really need to go into the settings and change the defaults. A second major gripe I have is Windows Update pushing downloads on me without my approval. I have always kept my update settings on Notify Me so I can decide what and when I download. You can't do this with W10 and that is probably enough to prevent me from keeping it on my laptop or permanently installing it on my desktop anytime soon. Besides, I still like W7 better anyway and it's rock solid.

I will likely roll back W10 on my laptop and tuck that away for another day. I'll install it on my desktop and do the same thing, but unless they make some changes to W10 (which is possible) I'll continue using W7 until support ends. I understand Microsoft isn't just going to give an OS away without them getting something in return (i.e. tons of personal info), but pushing updates without consent goes too far for me. It's my *bleeping* computer, but they seem to think it's theirs. ;-)

Just so you know, we've known for a very long time now that Windows 10 Home wouldn't be able to manage the Windows Updates at all now, so I don't know why people react to it now.

Windows 10 Home wouldn't be able to manage the Windows Updates at all now,

Hi , Sorry it is after the weekend, and I have just got back to where I was about to install Windows 10. Reading that line has me a bit confused, I was about to upgrade my Windows 8.1 but I get regular updates for that O/S. First I noticed that the ISO that I wanted to cut, had "Use within 2 days" or words like that written under the directions, and now I notice that I wouldn't be able to manage the Windows Updates at all now.

Can you explain, or direct me to better information, on why I will not be able to get / manage the Windows Updates at all now ? This eludes me..

It means that you cannot really refuse updates. You need to install them all without having the chance to opt some of them out. Also, the only thing you can control basically is the time at which your computer will restart after the updates are installed, that's it.

It just means that Microsoft has taken away the option of Important and Optional updates. They now become installed even if they are wrong, like so many have been in the, even Windows 8.1 Important updates. This may be a good thing, but it has taken the optional ones fully out.

I had used (do not laugh) MSE and Defender, with success in all my systems (a total of 5 varying units ) but needed to remember to install all of those updates, and I still intend to use the current upgraded versions of whatever it will be called.

Windows Defender and Microsoft Security Essentials are good. It's just that their detection rate is below the other Antivirus companies, hence why I favor other free products (or paid) before them. This being said, I'm a person who firmly believe that if you take care of your system properly, it'll not be broken by Windows Update. Trust me, I've installed all of them, even some that broke specific system (like the one with Kaspersky products and I had Kaspersky Internet Security at the time) and never had a single issue with them. If you ever have issues with Windows Update, you can always seek assistance here or in the Windows Update section of Sysnative anyway