Ok, the title is only slightly tongue-in-cheek, but really the movie was made only for the *** appeal of the two main men, Robert Pattinson and Taylor Lautner. Both of them frequently appear shirtless or with open shirts. Lautner especially; apparently the 17 year-old put on 30 pounds from Twilight to New Moon, and obviously all of it was muscle. The kid is jacked, and I wonder how much of it was digitally enhanced.

The movie was better than the first, but not by all that much; I made fun of it with my friends constantly. On the plus side, we were cracking up the entire time. Yes, it's immature, but watching two overly emo kids say to each other "I don't want you to come." "You don't want me to come?" sent us all into fits of giggles. The overly serious parts came off as goofy. I personally don't think either Bella or Edward are all that great at acting. However, Jacob, Charlie, and Aro (the creepy talkative vampire) were actually not bad.

It wasn't a great movie, but if you like really hot men, sappy romance, or the Twilight series, it's fantastic.

I'm not *** or a girl, and I didn't like Twilight, but I have to admit staring at Lautner's chest for a couple of hours did have rooting for Team Jacob.

Loved the books, but I watched Twilight first so I liked the movie lol. But after reading the books and going to watch Twilight again I can see why people hated it. I'm waiting to see New Moon everyone I know said they loved it so I'm hyped.

As for Vataro. Eh whatever. I'm a individual, with different tastes and of course hobbies. I have a tendency to enjoy a lot of things most won't or at least try to look for the good in the bad. I honestly don't understand why people feel the need to bash/flame someone because they like something you don't. Makes no sense to me but it's whatever :).

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Loved the books, but I watched Twilight first so I liked the movie lol. But after reading the books and going to watch Twilight again I can see why people hated it. I'm waiting to see New Moon everyone I know said they loved it so I'm hyped.

As for Vataro. Eh whatever. I'm a individual, with different tastes and of course hobbies. I have a tendency to enjoy a lot of things most won't or at least try to look for the good in the bad. I honestly don't understand why people feel the need to bash/flame someone because they like something you don't. Makes no sense to me but it's whatever :).

I'm not really bashing you for your individual tastes. Of course noone is going to like the same stuff I do. I am more commenting on how the stereotype of a 14-20ish year old girl has a seemingly unhealthy obsession with the series and a metaphorical hard-on for the two previously mentioned males. I feel I can do this because I have a friend who fits the stereotype of a Twilight fanatic to a tee, and that makes no sense to me. I think she's already seen New Moon 3-4 times. Oh, and she's 23. =/

Perhaps I'm just missing something. I've read a couple excerpts of the book but as you have no doubt figured out have not read the entire book (and have no desire to). It's fine if you enjoyed the book and enjoy the movie. But when it gets to the point of obsession (not a clinical definition obviously) I start to get worried.

I don't mean to be harsh but given all the retarded anime sh*t people are into--and I don't mean it all, b/c I like some anime, you are surprised that people like Twilight?

True. There are definitely hardcore fanatics out there for a lot of different things, and all of them are pretty much just as sad as the next. Strange as it seems though, I don't personally know any hardcore anime fanatics.

True. There are definitely hardcore fanatics out there for a lot of different things, and all of them are pretty much just as sad as the next. Strange as it seems though, I don't personally know any hardcore anime fanatics.

I'm probably the most hardcore anime fanatic I know(at least, IRL), and aside from the occasional conversations involving which anime character would win in a fight(the last one was a contest between Full Power Belldandy and Alucard), the occasional purchase of figures/wallscrolls(mostly the latter), and the fact that I spend more time watching anime than most people spend watching any kind of TV, I'm not all that odd.

My only problem with Twilight, was that a movie featuring vampires, and as you find out later on werewolves, I expected far more ***-kicking between the 2. It looks like New Moon might remedy that problem somewhat.

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I don't mean to be harsh but given all the retarded anime sh*t people are into--and I don't mean it all, b/c I like some anime, you are surprised that people like Twilight?

True. There are definitely hardcore fanatics out there for a lot of different things, and all of them are pretty much just as sad as the next. Strange as it seems though, I don't personally know any hardcore anime fanatics.

Ha, ha, you don't recognize the enemy within. Are you differentiating between people who generally like Twilight--fangirls and such and totally rabid obsessed fangirls/boys? Because it's pretty different, imo. I think it's fine if people really want to get all into Twilight--they think Edward is cute and they get all romantic about it. It's very adolescent, in the way that people get all squeeing about certain types of anime. I only think it's an issue when it's all they think about. For the most part, I don't think it's obsessive really in a bad way. I just think it's like any romantic crush type things, be it Leonardo in Titanic or whatever.

I just don't think it's stupider than the majority of the stupid sh*t that people get into here. I think it's just different because it's a widespread social phenomenon so it's easy to find other people into it. But really it's the same.

Not everyone would agree with that choice, who. There are plenty of people who would put tv based sci-fi book collector nerds below Twilight fangirls and I think they'd both be above 13 year old gamers. Now also, you'd have to differentiate between fanfic and non-fanfic fans.

Given the collective geekery of Alla, when people complain about Twilight fans being obsessive, nerdy or silly, I mean, ******** please.

Not everyone would agree with that choice, who. There are plenty of people who would put tv based sci-fi book collector nerds below Twilight fangirls and I think they'd both be above 13 year old gamers. Now also, you'd have to differentiate between fanfic and non-fanfic fans.

Given the collective geekery of Alla, when people complain about Twilight fans being obsessive, nerdy or silly, I mean, ******** please.

I respect that you're standing up for the underdog here, Anna, but Twilight really sucks. These people don't deserve your protection - they deserve every drop of ridicule we can muster. Aren't there more deserving groups to take under your wing? Cannibals, for example. Oh, sure, they might wolf down human flesh and slake their twisted thirst on human blood, but is that really so wrong? Some of them don't even kill the people they eat! Twilight fans, on the other hand, well... they're lunatics, barely even human. Have you ever seen a cannibal eat a Twilight fan? I rest my case.

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Not everyone would agree with that choice, who. There are plenty of people who would put tv based sci-fi book collector nerds below Twilight fangirls and I think they'd both be above 13 year old gamers. Now also, you'd have to differentiate between fanfic and non-fanfic fans.

Given the collective geekery of Alla, when people complain about Twilight fans being obsessive, nerdy or silly, I mean, ******** please.

I respect that you're standing up for the underdog here, Anna, but Twilight really sucks. These people don't deserve your protection - they deserve every drop of ridicule we can muster. Aren't there more deserving groups to take under your wing? Cannibals, for example. Oh, sure, they might wolf down human flesh and slake their twisted thirst on human blood, but is that really so wrong? Some of them don't even kill the people they eat! Twilight fans, on the other hand, well... they're lunatics, barely even human. Have you ever seen a cannibal eat a Twilight fan? I rest my case.

That is awesome about your husband's Ph.D. Cat. ^^ I recently had an academic paper on Fullmetal Alchemist published, and it totally makes me feel like a nerd, but in a great way.

As I stated in the other thread on Twilight, my main issue is not with the fans but with the books themselves and their content. The fans are pretty freaking annoying, as is the insane amount of merchandising. I hate going into the local Hot Topic and seeing an entire corner of the store filled with Twilight crap. The Twilight-mania really reminds me of boy band fan girls more than anything else. I've never seen an anime fan, Harry Potter fan, Sci-fan fan, or any other kind of nerdy fan act the way these girls act. Screaming, sobbing hysterically. It's ridiculous.

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Posted:Nov 24 2009 at 6:44 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I can't see any actions on this movie because that is what I'm waiting for.. The movie is all about love.. It's like Korean movies that's why I found this movie so boring...

It also depends on who you ask. The collectors of sci-fi books based on TV series probably look upon the slavering hordes of Twilight fangirls with horror bordering disdain. Whereas the furries look at them, and being the generally accepting bunch they are, shrug and accept it. (And then the REALLY geeky ones rewrite the book with Edward as an actual humanoid bat.)

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It also depends on who you ask. The collectors of sci-fi books based on TV series probably look upon the slavering hordes of Twilight fangirls with horror bordering disdain. Whereas the furries look at them, and being the generally accepting bunch they are, shrug and accept it. (And then the REALLY geeky ones rewrite the book with Edward as an actual humanoid bat.)

Yeah but let's be honest, sci-fi book collectors are always geekier than hordes of teenage girls. They look on in horror b/c they are all virgins.

I think it was more for insulting the Zammers than it was for defending Twilight.

Back when I was in the (NERD ALERT) Inuyasha fandom, Urd-chan, one of the two founding grandmothers of the fandom (the other was the late Kristine Batey, who we lost to breast cancer), called the 14-year old slavering hordes of fangirls the "teeny-boppers." Us serious fans, the adults, looked down upon them, gently mocked them, and in some cases kicked them out of our forums altogether. I was briefly part of a very mean livejournal committee whose sole purpose was to mock bad Inuyasha fanfics.

I view Twilight fans the same way. When I was 14, I was a serious hardcore Star Wars fan. Okay, I swooned a bit over Harrison Ford, but not to the point where I screamed and fainted at threw my panties at the movie screen. It's undignified.

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I can't understand anyone who skips the cutscenes of a Final Fantasy game. That's like going to Texas and not getting barbecue.

One thing that bothers me about Twilight is its message of glorifying abuse.

Though its easy to see why there are so many opposed after incidents at recent ComicCons where many other groups who came were genuinely being inconvenienced and were unable to attend what they came for as a result (though that was a result more of poor planning and logistics on the staffs part). The 2008 San Francisco mini-riot likely doesnt help matters.

Because nothing that Mazra, et al enjoys is retarded or boring to anyone.

Let me add, I think what really bugs me is how irritatingly hypocritical people are in this thread. I don't give two sh*ts about Twilight but when a bunch of people who have been invested in various forms of fandom and addicted to videogames, give some attitude to teenage girls for being rabid fans of something, it strikes me as retarded.

To most people, writing fanfiction of Inuyasha is ten times dorkier and more obsessive than liking Twilight, particularly as it lacks an adherence to a social phenomenon and doesn't have the attendance social benefit of promoting peer relationships. I'd defend people's right to like any fandom but not when you start giving attitude like you are too good for something.

Because nothing that Mazra, et al enjoys is retarded or boring to anyone.

Let me add, I think what really bugs me is how irritatingly hypocritical people are in this thread. I don't give two sh*ts about Twilight but when a bunch of people who have been invested in various forms of fandom and addicted to videogames, give some attitude to teenage girls for being rabid fans of something, it strikes me as retarded.

To most people, writing fanfiction of Inuyasha is ten times dorkier and more obsessive than liking Twilight, particularly as it lacks an adherence to a social phenomenon and doesn't have the attendance social benefit of promoting peer relationships. I'd defend people's right to like any fandom but not when you start giving attitude like you are too good for something.

So much hostility and I get it all! It's all mine! Mine, I tell ya!

Also, confusing hypocrisy with retardation is pretty odd. Furthermore, I think you misunderstand the entire thread, but who's keeping score anyway. It's not the story itself I'm after, it's the mania that has evolved from it. Yes, most of us are avid online game players, and as such we have no right dissing other people's hobbies, but that's not exactly what we are doing. Or at least not what I'm doing. It's the seemingly mindless mania that has sprouted from a mediocre book-turned-movie franchise that leaves me baffled and slightly disturbed. If you search YouTube for any song used in any Twilight movie soundtrack, you'll find pages of semi-desperate female viewers posting how much they love Twilight, how awesome this song is in Twilight, and how hot Edward is. I might be a World of Warcraft fan, but I guarantee you that if you go to a World of Warcraft related video on YouTube, I haven't written pages up and down about how much I love World of Warcraft, how awesome it is listening to this song while playing World of Warcraft, and how hot Tyrande is.

Finally, I don't do fanfiction. Ever.

Edited, Dec 2nd 2009 12:07am by Mazra

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To most people, writing fanfiction of Inuyasha is ten times dorkier and more obsessive than liking Twilight,

Writing fanficion of Inuyasha is ten times dorkier and more obsessive than liking Twilight, yes, but writing fanfiction of Inuyasha is equally dorky and obsessive as writing fanfiction of Twilight. If we're going to do comparisons, then we should at least compare like issues.

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To most people, writing fanfiction of Inuyasha is ten times dorkier and more obsessive than liking Twilight,

Yet, I'm annoyed by Inuyasha fanfiction writers a lot less often than I am by Twilight fans. IMO, it's their sheer numbers that's the real problem. I can't go to the bookstore without tripping over squealing, obsessive Twilight fans, but I have to search out annoying otaku if I want to find them(except maybe the little kid Pokefans/Yugifans, but little kids are like that everywhere about something). ****, I went to the public library the other day and overheard a sigh filled conversation about how dreamy Edward is. The last time I overheard a conversation at random involving any kind of anime fans was when I was in the anime section at the video store.

In case you're wondering, they were talking about whether Hellsing or Hellsing Ultimate was better.

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doesn't have the attendance social benefit of promoting peer relationships.

What the **** is this? Because a couple squealing fangirls come together over something that's "mainstream" that's suddenly better than when "less mainstream" fans are brought together by their media? I met some of my best friends in high school because of anime or videogames. Well, and some of my best friends now became my friends mostly because of our shared anime/videogame interests. Is that not the promotion of peer relationships?

Apparently Poldaran's connection with other anime fanboys much deeper and less annoying than "squealing Twilight fans." To everyone. Really. I mean, his negative appraisal of these fans is totally different than my negative appraisal of him. I mean, he has to hear about it at the library and in public whereas widespread discussion of cool things he likes is always done in a respectable fashion.

Apparently Poldaran's connection with other anime fanboys much deeper and less annoying than "squealing Twilight fans."

I was merely pointing out that you were completely ignoring friendships founded on anime/videogames when you seemed to think friendships fostered by Twilight are a good point of it.

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I mean, he has to hear about it at the library and in public whereas widespread discussion of cool things he likes is always done in a respectable fashion.

Thanks for completely missing the **** point. It's not that Twilight is discussed less respectably, it's that I can't escape discussion of it. It's that it's damned everywhere. I just mentioned the library because it was the first memory that came to mind. If I had to hear discussions about ANYTHING as often as I do Twilight, it would get a bit grating. Give me some **** variety.

I mean, I understand how people like Ugly want to escape discussion of anime, but at least he can do so. He can turn on the TV or go out in public and have a good chance of not hearing about it. Sure, he has to deal with it here, but this is a set of forums built on the initial premise of video game discussion. It's a high risk zone. If I were hanging around high risk Twilight discussion zones like Hot Topic or a junior high school, then I wouldn't be complaining. But it's freaking everywhere.

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To everyone.

And thanks for putting words into my mouth. I'm speaking for myself and myself alone. That said, I have to wonder why you're so invested in this.

Because I find the elitism here annoying and I am hopping back and forth between this and theorizing about a study that I have difficulty conceptualizing b/c it has several principles that need to be integrated in a coherent way. Entertainment, basically.

Ahh, but it all depends on personal opinion, Anna. What you're saying is that it's retarded to complain about the Twilight mania when you're part of another mania (albeit a mania that brings less attention to itself in the general public). While this is true, you're assuming I'm equally obsessed with the video game as the people I'm complaining about are obsessed with Twilight, which isn't the case.

Basically you're just calling me a retarded hypocrite and you're doing so based on personal opinion.

Smooth.

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Those involved in Twilight Mania aren't exactly blameless though, theyve gone after people who just didnt like the books, no antagonization at all on the critics side in a number of cases. This isnt unique, they're just as elitest the same as everyone else. Not some special group that needs protecting. It's just business as usual.