Sniffers Row:I'm also sure that the people 'responsible' for those 18 shootings are fine, upstanding citizens with no drug/gang activity and have taken the required steps to properly obtain at least their FOID

Most of them could use some target practice, too. 19 in about 22 hours, and only 2 kill shots. Thugs I am disappoint.

Sniffers Row:I'm also sure that the people 'responsible' for those 18 shootings arefine, upstanding citizens with no drug/gang activity and have taken the required steps to properly obtain at least their FOID

quick look - gang related - aka drugsYAWNbusiness as usual and no one of value was shotWHY does anyone care about shootings in chicago?

It serves a double purpose. Liberals can use Chicago as an example of why guns in the hands of civilians = chaos and death. Conservatives and right-leaning Libertarians can use Chicago as an example of why guns *in the wrong hands* (read: thugs/gangbangers/insert whatever racist name here) instead of law-abiding citizens is the cause of chaos and death. Both sides are technically correct, which is of course the best of kind correct.

Sniffers Row:I'm also sure that the people 'responsible' for those 18 shootings are fine, upstanding citizens with no drug/gang activity and have taken the required steps to properly obtain at least their FOID

Yeah, close local schools and stick them in overcrowded, underperforming consolidated schools; give them few economic opportunities outside of the blackmarket when/if they graduate with a crappy education; then wash your hands of it when violence erupts because they don't have access to normal legal channels to settle business disputes.

very much true. It's a god damned jungle. If you really don't get it, spend two hours or so watching world star hip hop. You'll start to understand the culture. You wont like it, but you'll understand.

Crime. Is. Not. Culture. And I don't care how many many people worship it by talking really fast over samples of other people's music or how many bandannas and hoodies are sold or how many tattoo parlors are making phat bank, It's not culture. It's crime. As far as a war on gang violence, I've seen war movies. There wasn't a lot of hand wringing over who needed to be shot.

Most of them could use some target practice, too. 19 in about 22 hours, and only 2 kill shots. Thugs I am disappoint.

In IL can you join a gun range without having to prove you own your gun legally? You can in KY: you have to swear you're legally allowed to own one but they don't make you prove it. You only have to prove you're 18 with a valid drivers' license or state ID, or have a parent there supervising you. And the one in Lexington only charges $20/month on weekdays.

Won't somebody think of the bystanders? Seriously. In a lot of these cases the intended victim, like the shooter, is somebody few people will miss; what pisses people off is the 4 year old girl who gets hit by a stray bullet. The gang-bangers should be able to kill each other off all they want.

As for gun control, I'll wager that few of the shooters in Chicago are legally allowed to have a handgun and/or that their guns were not purchased legally. See? The law works!

Is using "thugs/ gangbangers" automatically racist? When did that happen?

It seems that the preponderance urban street gangs populated by people of color. Probably because most of the white folk are too busy working 40 hours a week to get a tattoo and a bandanna. I'm sure, given the time off, they could balance out this inequality in a matter of days.

Most of them could use some target practice, too. 19 in about 22 hours, and only 2 kill shots. Thugs I am disappoint.

In IL can you join a gun range without having to prove you own your gun legally? You can in KY: you have to swear you're legally allowed to own one but they don't make you prove it. You only have to prove you're 18 with a valid drivers' license or state ID, or have a parent there supervising you. And the one in Lexington only charges $20/month on weekdays.

Won't somebody think of the bystanders? Seriously. In a lot of these cases the intended victim, like the shooter, is somebody few people will miss; what pisses people off is the 4 year old girl who gets hit by a stray bullet. The gang-bangers should be able to kill each other off all they want.

As for gun control, I'll wager that few of the shooters in Chicago are legally allowed to have a handgun and/or that their guns were not purchased legally. See? The law works!

Most of them could use some target practice, too. 19 in about 22 hours, and only 2 kill shots. Thugs I am disappoint.

In IL can you join a gun range without having to prove you own your gun legally? You can in KY: you have to swear you're legally allowed to own one but they don't make you prove it. You only have to prove you're 18 with a valid drivers' license or state ID, or have a parent there supervising you. And the one in Lexington only charges $20/month on weekdays.

Won't somebody think of the bystanders? Seriously. In a lot of these cases the intended victim, like the shooter, is somebody few people will miss; what pisses people off is the 4 year old girl who gets hit by a stray bullet. The gang-bangers should be able to kill each other off all they want.

As for gun control, I'll wager that few of the shooters in Chicago are legally allowed to have a handgun and/or that their guns were not purchased legally. See? The law works!

You need a FOID to shoot at a range in IL, your gun or their gun.

Now that I have my FOID, I need 16 hours of training. sigh. stupid school.