Ben, what do you think the solution to this should be? I've always thought there should be a count - if it goes to the ground, the shimpan should give them 20 seconds to make something happen, something like that, and allow it to continue after the time if progression is happening. Just take that initial judgement call out of it and let the players work.

Couple of solutions:
1.) better referee education and experience
2.) Most important, judoka need to get better at ne waza, and realize that you have to make progress and adjust/train accordingly. Hoping that judo will ever allow the amount of time you get in bjj is not realistic.
3.) Realize that ne waza is optional in Judo, and that one guy can stall the other out, or both guys can just wait for matte'.

I'm not a big fan of the Freestyle Judo rules because there is no waza-ari or ippon for osaekomi-waza. The way the rules are structured it seems like a BJJ tournament that allows for ippon. Perhaps I'm missing it but it would appear the freestyle judo rule set allows for guard jumping as well.

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