Why isn't it possible to include footnotes in the wiki? They're in heavy use in Wikipedia-style writing, and I'm missing them. Would the IC Wiki include this option in the future?

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I spelt it out for reader who speak English as a second language etc. The meaning of the Bible quote is now clearer. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 12:02, 29 June 2008 (CDT)

I spelt it out for reader who speak English as a second language etc. The meaning of the Bible quote is now clearer. [[User:Proxima Centauri|Proxima Centauri]] 12:02, 29 June 2008 (CDT)

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: I've reverted your edit because I think it's important to keep the quote "clean" for the Main Page. I have, however, linked the words "[[chariots of iron]]" to our article on this passage, so you can add any explanatory remarks there, if you'd like. - [[User:Dcljr|dcljr]] 04:35, 5 July 2008 (CDT)

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== Time ==

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Your [[Special:Recentchanges|recent changes]] clock is running behind, my edits are shown occurring on June 20 but today is July 2. This indicates that it's behind by 12 days. --[[User:Elassint|Elassint]] 19:40, 2 July 2008 (CDT)

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: Well, your comment here seems to have been dated correctly. I haven't noticed any problems with the system clock since it was reading MST a while back. I've checked [[Special:Recentchanges]] quite a few times over the last few days and haven't noticed anything strange. Maybe it was just a momentary glich? If you're still seeing weird edit times (as a test, you can create your user page &lt;g>), check the "Date and Time" settings in [[Special:Preferences|your Preferences]]. - [[User:Dcljr|dcljr]] 04:37, 5 July 2008 (CDT)

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:: I've noticed the same problem, the "Recent Changes" page shows the latest edits occurring as of 9 Nov - today is 24 Nov. It's been like this as long as I've been using this wiki. I've ignored it until now... [[User:Rivalarrival|Rivalarrival]] 23:08, 23 November 2008 (CST) (Ok, so I've got the wrong timezone too... :-) )

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After setting date/time settings in the preferences page, the recent changes dates seem correct. Really weird... I undid my changes, and it went back to the 9th. I tested it a couple more times - if I remove the time offset, the dates in recent changes are screwed up. If I replace it with anything, including "00:00", the dates are correct. It's like the default "offset" is approximately -336 hours. [[User:Rivalarrival|Rival]] 23:21, 23 November 2008 (CST)

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Important: This problem seems to affect anyone who is not logged in! Makes it look like this wiki is stagnant, with no updates in the past ~2 weeks! [[User:Rivalarrival|Rival]] 12:05, 24 November 2008 (CST)

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Im logged in and the time still shows off for me. Its always shown a couple of weeks behind since I started editing things on the wiki. The reason the time on the commends shows right is that its manually added. I would suspect that its something on the host server, though I would suspect that the forum would have the same problem and it does not. Not sure though if I had access I might be able to find out. Somewhere its reading the date wrong. [[User:gizmoiscariot|Gizmo]] 13:45, 24 November 2008 (PST)

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== [[Talk:You can't prove God doesn't exist]] ==

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Everyone please move to the link above to discuss the non-existence of reality and the non-existence of God at '''Counter-counter-argument'''.

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== [[St. Augustine]] ==

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Hello, user [[User:Rivalarrival]] is making changes to the page about augustine that are death wrong. Because he was born to a Christian mother. I believe he might be doing this because he is feeling slighted by my metaphysical arguments about the nature of reality. Pleaselook into this, thank you. --[[User:Thomas|Thomas]]

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:In my defense, I plead simple ignorance as to the difference between paganism and manichaeism, the root of the issue. Apparently, confusing a religion with multiple deities to another religion with multiple deities is "death wrong", and I apologize for any confusion I might have caused. At the time I made the change, (and even now) [[User:Thomas]]'s edits appeared to be apologist nonsense - His edits to [[You can't prove God doesn't exist]] (and subsequent discussion on the talk page) was nothing more than a diatribe about his assumptions as to the nature of god. The [[Orthodox Christianity]] article appeared intended to support Catholicism as a more valid alternative. In the [[St. Augustine]] article (and subsequent edit war) Thomas seemed intent on presenting the youthful Augustine as a Catholic, despite his intensive study of non-christian worldviews. [[User:Rivalarrival|Rival]] 00:48, 1 December 2008 (CST)

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::I Wish you where this courtious on my talk page. Because i have to embarise you in public. I am not biased to Catholicism because i am an Orthodox Christian myself. Orthodox Christianity does not have a scholastic tradition, because scholasticism has it's origine in Western-Europe, in fact in Italy of the eleventh century and is based on the teachings of Aristoteles. This is very basic philosophical history which i hope you will take time to study. Augustine was in fact raised as a Christian from early childhood, for example he was enlisted into the [[catechumens]]. Augustine was a bad Christian in his early life but a Christian none the less and when he turned to Manichaenism, to the regret of his mother; he did not change from a pagan into a Manichaein but from an Christian into a Manichaen. --[[User:Thomas|Thomas]]

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:::Another good point is to say that i was raised a Marxist but turned to Orthodoxy at the age of nineteen. I was a Marxist when i was twelve but not a very good Marxist, but a Marxist none the less. --[[User:Thomas|Thomas]]

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== Longevity ==

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Will this wiki be deactivated or expired some time in the future? Will my contributions go to waste?

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:Even if Matt decides he doesn't want to support the site anymore, I'm sure there's a dozen people who'd immediately volunteer to pick up the slack, myself included - JT

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:My question would be, actually, whether the database/files are backed up regularly. If not, writing a cron-job script to archive the db/files, maybe once a day, and maintain a backlog of a month or so, would be fairly straight forward.

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I see there is a comment about dates/times above - apparently in 2008. But I see the same two-week gap on "recent changes" now. The date stamp on comments is OK though. Is this an on-going problem?--[[User:Bob M|Bob M]] 15:52, 30 April 2010 (CDT)

Feature Request: Footnotes

Why isn't it possible to include footnotes in the wiki? They're in heavy use in Wikipedia-style writing, and I'm missing them. Would the IC Wiki include this option in the future?

- Yair (Feb 15 2011)

Introduction Content

Matt, I like the new information about what "Iron Chariots" means, but I respectfully suggest that it should be displaced to Iron Chariots:Introduction. My thinking is that the front page should be relatively clean, and new readers should not be required to look at a whole bunch of explanatory text unless they they want to.

I'll wait for your approval or objection before I take this step, or you can do it yourself.

I was thinking about this earlier and I'm definitely in agreement. You can move all of this to the "about" page (or info, or whatever).

What I would like to do, is modify the main page so that it remains clean - but is more consistent with other wiki sites (like wikipedia). A quick welcome, some highlighted information and places to start.

- Matt

Wiki meta-stuff

Main page: Logo and Design

I will submit a draft of a large logo suitable for display on the front page soon, I am gathering source material for it. I was wondering if anyone could send me a large (1000px +) version of the current iron chariots graphic, just for reference. Thanks.

I don't have an image that size. The original image is a small photograph of a statue which I modified (a little) in Photoshop. It was always meant to be a placeholder until I (or someone else) got around to making real logos for the site. It isn't essential to the design. In fact, I'm pretty open to suggestions on logos and even (minor) color scheme changes. I've got the original image on my machine at work, but I'm pretty sure that this page has the original image. Sans Deity 21:32, 25 August 2006 (MST)

Thank you, that's perfect! All I needed was something good to base a logo on.FredContreras

Logo Draft 1

Iron Chariots Logo

Ok, here is a very prelim version based on the image you supplied.
Let me know if this is ok. I'll keep working on it and post revisions as I create them.

I wonder maybe I should create some tagline graphics too, that you can mix and match with the logo?
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I think you're off to a great start...I'm looking forward to seeing more. Sans Deity 12:18, 27 August 2006 (MST)

Yeah, looks good... quick request, can you get the reins back in there? It looks weird for the charioteer to have his arms out and not obviously controlling the horses.

Since we're doing a customized image, I wonder if some sort of subtle religious symbolism might be work somewhere in there? I'm not sure what I'm thinking of... a Bible being trampled was what came to mind, but I think that is more aggressive than it should be. --Kazim 06:51, 28 August 2006 (MST)

Featured articles and category

Should the main page be in a category? If so, which one?

Secondly, the "Featured articles" section doesn't seem to have been updated in a while. If no one's interested in actively maintaining it, perhaps it should be removed. It can always be added back later, perhaps as a sidebar. --Arensb 11:48, 16 December 2007 (CST)

The Lord could not defeat Iron Chariots

I spelt it out for reader who speak English as a second language etc. The meaning of the Bible quote is now clearer. Proxima Centauri 12:02, 29 June 2008 (CDT)

I've reverted your edit because I think it's important to keep the quote "clean" for the Main Page. I have, however, linked the words "chariots of iron" to our article on this passage, so you can add any explanatory remarks there, if you'd like. - dcljr 04:35, 5 July 2008 (CDT)

Time

Your recent changes clock is running behind, my edits are shown occurring on June 20 but today is July 2. This indicates that it's behind by 12 days. --Elassint 19:40, 2 July 2008 (CDT)

Well, your comment here seems to have been dated correctly. I haven't noticed any problems with the system clock since it was reading MST a while back. I've checked Special:Recentchanges quite a few times over the last few days and haven't noticed anything strange. Maybe it was just a momentary glich? If you're still seeing weird edit times (as a test, you can create your user page <g>), check the "Date and Time" settings in your Preferences. - dcljr 04:37, 5 July 2008 (CDT)

I've noticed the same problem, the "Recent Changes" page shows the latest edits occurring as of 9 Nov - today is 24 Nov. It's been like this as long as I've been using this wiki. I've ignored it until now... Rivalarrival 23:08, 23 November 2008 (CST) (Ok, so I've got the wrong timezone too... :-) )

After setting date/time settings in the preferences page, the recent changes dates seem correct. Really weird... I undid my changes, and it went back to the 9th. I tested it a couple more times - if I remove the time offset, the dates in recent changes are screwed up. If I replace it with anything, including "00:00", the dates are correct. It's like the default "offset" is approximately -336 hours. Rival 23:21, 23 November 2008 (CST)

Important: This problem seems to affect anyone who is not logged in! Makes it look like this wiki is stagnant, with no updates in the past ~2 weeks! Rival 12:05, 24 November 2008 (CST)

Im logged in and the time still shows off for me. Its always shown a couple of weeks behind since I started editing things on the wiki. The reason the time on the commends shows right is that its manually added. I would suspect that its something on the host server, though I would suspect that the forum would have the same problem and it does not. Not sure though if I had access I might be able to find out. Somewhere its reading the date wrong. Gizmo 13:45, 24 November 2008 (PST)

Hello, user User:Rivalarrival is making changes to the page about augustine that are death wrong. Because he was born to a Christian mother. I believe he might be doing this because he is feeling slighted by my metaphysical arguments about the nature of reality. Pleaselook into this, thank you. --Thomas

In my defense, I plead simple ignorance as to the difference between paganism and manichaeism, the root of the issue. Apparently, confusing a religion with multiple deities to another religion with multiple deities is "death wrong", and I apologize for any confusion I might have caused. At the time I made the change, (and even now) User:Thomas's edits appeared to be apologist nonsense - His edits to You can't prove God doesn't exist (and subsequent discussion on the talk page) was nothing more than a diatribe about his assumptions as to the nature of god. The Orthodox Christianity article appeared intended to support Catholicism as a more valid alternative. In the St. Augustine article (and subsequent edit war) Thomas seemed intent on presenting the youthful Augustine as a Catholic, despite his intensive study of non-christian worldviews. Rival 00:48, 1 December 2008 (CST)

I Wish you where this courtious on my talk page. Because i have to embarise you in public. I am not biased to Catholicism because i am an Orthodox Christian myself. Orthodox Christianity does not have a scholastic tradition, because scholasticism has it's origine in Western-Europe, in fact in Italy of the eleventh century and is based on the teachings of Aristoteles. This is very basic philosophical history which i hope you will take time to study. Augustine was in fact raised as a Christian from early childhood, for example he was enlisted into the catechumens. Augustine was a bad Christian in his early life but a Christian none the less and when he turned to Manichaenism, to the regret of his mother; he did not change from a pagan into a Manichaein but from an Christian into a Manichaen. --Thomas

Another good point is to say that i was raised a Marxist but turned to Orthodoxy at the age of nineteen. I was a Marxist when i was twelve but not a very good Marxist, but a Marxist none the less. --Thomas

Longevity

Will this wiki be deactivated or expired some time in the future? Will my contributions go to waste?

Even if Matt decides he doesn't want to support the site anymore, I'm sure there's a dozen people who'd immediately volunteer to pick up the slack, myself included - JT

My question would be, actually, whether the database/files are backed up regularly. If not, writing a cron-job script to archive the db/files, maybe once a day, and maintain a backlog of a month or so, would be fairly straight forward.

Date

I see there is a comment about dates/times above - apparently in 2008. But I see the same two-week gap on "recent changes" now. The date stamp on comments is OK though. Is this an on-going problem?--Bob M 15:52, 30 April 2010 (CDT)