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From what I've heard, PS2 machines are very unreliable. I've had more than a few friends complain about their PS2s not working properly, and I've heard tales of machines that have been sent back to Sony four or five times without any resolution to the problem. Supposedly, the systems have a high return rate because they just don't work like they should. This sounds like a design issue to me.

My suggestion: get the XBox or Cube as they seem to be much more durable than the PS2. And if all else fails...

(For the record, my PS2 for launch day is still working. I'm on cube #3)

Count me in the list of "launch day" PS2 owners with a working system. No problems and I've toted it all over the town to visit with friends and across several states to visit the in-laws.
If anyone cares, I use my standing upright. I wonder how much that matters.
My Cube is holding up so far. Haven't heard about nearly as many problems from the Cubes...you're the first.

But how much time do you spend on it? I got a PS1 Christmas of 98. Only had the overheating problem once. Early 2002, after three and a half years and thousands of hours of playing it, I died in Arc the Lad 1, pushed reset, and rebooted back into the BIOS screen as if there was no disc inserted. I'm thinking that the motor that moves the laser back and forth gave out.
I also recall a bunch of people with older model Playstations who had to replace theirs when Final Fantasy 8 came out.

For the first two years, I used my PS2 about every other day. More recently, it's been less frequently. I've played literally dozens of games, several to completion, including PSX games. I'd say that I'm a moderately heavy user (but not a very heavy user). Check website in signature to get an idea of what.

Using the system vertically makes a big difference, from what I hear. The main cause of failure is simply a dirty lens. When you run your PS2 vertically, you don't get the pesky influence of gravity pushing dirt onto the most sensitive part of the unit.

I don't have a PS2, but I have friends with PS2s who have the disc read error. My cube is a launch day cube, no problems so far. Friends with cube also have no problems.

Sony does have a sketchy history with consoles though. My old roommate had a first run Playstation that eventually had to be stood on its side to work properly, otherwise it would overheat and games would start to skip.

For the record, my PS2 for launch day is still working. I'm on cube #3

Why? Did your GameCube get stolen a couple times?

Though seriously, I have known of a couple launch GameCubes that had disc read problems. And all of them were within the year long warranty provided by Nintendo. All you have to do is call their support number, do some mild troubleshooting and they'll schedule a FedEx pickup at your home at their expense. Their turn around time on repairs is usually a week or two.

If the original Playstation is any indication, that is simply not true in this case. I'll never forget the first christmas those things were out. 1 in 4 of them were returned within 90 days. 1 in 4. We sold 4, one came back. That's not "well it's only a problem because alot were sold", that's a 25% defect rate. Sony sold a crappy product, and lots of kids had disappointing christmases. (It is for this reason I have made a personal

"Hrmm. If you only sold 4, I can see some problems making this sort've judgment..."

My post was written really badly.

Here's what I originally said:

" I'll never forget the first christmas those things were out. 1 in 4 of them were returned within 90 days. 1 in 4. We sold 4, one came back."

Given the chance to fix it, I'd say: " I'll never forget the first christmas those things were out. 1 of every 4 of them were returned within 90 days. 1 out of every 4. If we sold 4 in one day, we knew one wouldcame

Many original Playstation failures were due to people putting it directly on carpet. It tended to sink in slightly, which blocked the bottom vents (causing overheating). I can agree that this was a design failure. Later revisions enlarged the vents.

As for PS2 failures, I am one of the many people who still has their original launch-day PS2. I've carried it in a backpack on many coast-to-coast airline flights, and my apartment is a "dust rich" environment. It still keeps chugging, though. I watch DV

"Many original Playstation failures were due to people putting it directly on carpet."

Perhaps, but that wasn't the only problem. The CD motor lost its calibration over time. Eventually it'd be slower than the game would expect, causing FMV etc to skip. There's a little screw inside there that can be turned, thus changing the speed of the CD-ROM. Turn it the right way and it speeds up again, system works beautifully.

Not saying you're wrong, but I am saying that wasn't the only problem.

whoa. i'm in the exact same boat as you, my original ps2 is in fine working condition, and i'm on my third gcn. its a shame because i really enjoy nintendo games. what were the problems with your cubes?

'Seriously, if the failure rate is.1% you are still going to have a lot of angry forum posts.'

I don't think many companies (both on the retail and manufacturing side) have been very -clear- about their "sales". Now I'm not saying their lying, but what I am -considering- is that companies are "recycling" their sales. What I mean by that companies such as EBGamesare cheating on their -word choice-. I think companies are just bunching "refurbished" systemed, used systems, and new systems all into one catagory

Ummm, no. First off, a rate is a measure of one thing with respect to another. Sony's failure rate would be the same if they sold 200 PS2's.

Personally, I've seen this problem in about a half-dozen consoles. I've owned two of them myself, and both have succumbed to this problem. I wouldn't be surprised if physical shock had something to do with it, but that's not a viable excuse. You can drop a GameCube down the stairs and jump on it, and it'll still work properly. The same goes for the original PlayS

In a top-loading machine like the PSX or Cube, you can wipe the lens off in about ten seconds. With a PS2, it's a matter of finding a microscopic phillips-head screwdriver and voiding your warranty.

In a PS2 it's a matter of buying a $2 lens cleaning disc. You can get one practically anywhere. An audio CD version works just fine. I've cleaned mine that a few times. If your lens gets dirty during the extremely short warranty period, then you have bigger problems. Try cleaning the room you keep you system in

I can second that.. of all the people I know who have owned a ps2 (measly 20), more than half complain they dont' work properly or dont' work at all! Some say that it won't read DVD discs of any kind and they can only play psx games and others complain that its unreliable. I can't remember anyone complaining about xbox or gamecube for hardware issues.

So far, I've only had trouble with my XBox (it's been replaced after only 1 year), and my cube/Ps2 have been fine. To a point, I think the Cube is the sturdiest, followed by the PS2, with the hard-drive equipped XBox being the most fragile. My Ps2 is just over 3 years old and gets the lion's share of game time with my Gamecube coming a close second. (I only have Halo and Soul Calibur II for my XBox....heh.)

The only problem I've had with my Ps2 has been with Blue discs. Most notably, NBA Street and Roman

I'm looking at buying a used SCPH-390001 this weekend. Is there a comparison about which models are more problematic, do you think it's a big enough problem to just wait to pick up a new model? (I know the new models have the quieter fan and better DVD player, but I already have an Xbox and won't use the DVD function)

I'd recommend holding off and getting one of the newest models when Sony decides to drop the price (which the will do within the next month, most probably.) I'm actually not sure how the PS2 model numbers go, though- if 390001 is one of the newer ones, you should be okay.

I have a first generation PS2 that I bought a month after they were released. It stopped reading some games and most DVDs a few months back. I looked for instructions online, popped the sucker open, used a q-tip and rubbing alcohol, swabbed the lense a bit, closed it back up and voila - works perfectly now.

I have a first generation PS2 that I bought a month after they were released. It stopped reading some games and most DVDs a few months back. I looked for instructions online, popped the sucker open, used a q-tip and rubbing alcohol, swabbed the lense a bit, closed it back up and voila - works perfectly now.
Same here. I got mine as soon as Wal-Mart got their very first shipment in, and other than having to clean the lens every 4-6 months (That may seem like a lot, but I smoke), I've never had a problem.

My PS2 (and more recently, a friend of mine's as well) started having a lot of groaning coming from the machine when loading a disc, and during some disc loading.

Ends up that the laser eye is mounted on a wormgear (visible on some of the screenshots in the article), and sometimes the little tab which sits in the wormgear's notch doesn't follow it so well anymore. I've managed to bend the plastic tab into the wormgear a bit better, but it still has the problem a bit, and it feels like a temporary fix, not a

The PS2 I brought on the day it came out did this exact thing slowly after about 2 years. First it wouldn't read the blue disks, and gradually the dvd's stopped working too.
I took it into the Sony repair place and got it fixed for about $50. no biggy.

I recall that I went through the same problem with the original PlayStation when just over the one year warranty the drive stopped reading game discs. Surprise! The PS was notorious for disc errors and many people resorted to turning the unit upside down to get the unit to read discs again. I eventually sold the unit to a friend and he managed to repair it.

When the PlayStation 2 hit the market the first thing me and my gaming friends thought of was the unreliable drives on the original PS and the hope that

In almost fifteen years of owning and playing consoles, only one machine has ever completely quit on me. That one was my original PS unit, purchased brand new in 1999. It survived just over three years of near-daily use. Near the end I had it tilted at some cockamamie angle, upside-down, and elevated. The struggles I had with that machine were almost legendary. At that point I picked up a factory refurbished PS2, which had similar use for about six months before I got a Cube. The PS2 has performed won

When I got my first PS2, I already knew there were reliability problems with the drive. So I did something I never do: I got the extended replacement plan from Best Buy. I'm on my 3rd PS2 so far, both replacements on Best Buy's nickel.

But the really great part is that their replacement plan doesn't cover the price of a replacement unit--it covers the price you paid for it when you bought it. Sony keeps dropping the price of the PS2 over the years, so both times I've had to get a replacement, I got not only a brand new PS2, but enough money left over to pick up a game or two.

The only down side is that you have to live with no PS2 at all for a week or two while they process your return. But hey, I can live with that stress.

Haha, I work at a Best Buy in Madison Heights Michigan, and just about everybody under 40 gets a light in their eye when I say "PRP with a brand new one right off the shelf, even for wear and tear." People just instantly start hatching how they're going to somehow make the most profit from the $29.95 cost.

Vaguely related, what's the reliability like on xbox hard drives? This is one of the things that put me off buying one, what I can do if the hard drive gives out 2 years down the track. This is also why i'd never buy a used xbox, who knows what the last person did with it - they could have dropped it a few times for all I know and the hard drive could be on it's last legs.

I suppose realistically there's as much chance of the optical drive dying as the hard drive, but I've got a CD-ROM drive that I got in

I have a PS2 from the first batch out and it went bad early this year. I decided to crack it open and adjusted laser strength and even the white cog (thi topic was on Tech TV two months ago). It finally died a month ago so I called 800-345-SONY. They gave me a case number, I shipped it overnight, and it came back in better condition than before within 3 days. Been working like a champ and includes a 90 day warranty (the original warranty even expired)