The western media went crazy by the telling people about the vincent carrier was hanging around North Korea. The premiere of China and Putin which are have sattelite pictures real time of the situation must been stunned by what was being reported. They are asking what is going on. The carrier was about attack North Korea and is on manuvers with Austrlians navy no where near the area. Certain channels were playing this "confortation" 24 hrs a day.

Call me crazy but the i thought the media did more than just report the stuff coming out from the government. Perhaps maybe the MSM would actually check there facts before they spread the news. MSM is largely propganda outfit for the government if they dont bother to check the facts before they publish.

Let me get this straight NR, you want the media to accept whatever the government says and spread it with without confroming any of the facts independently. Yes, I do have big problem with that. That a is the not media that is propganda outfit.

I don't know what NR is on about, this sure looks bad on the US media regardless who is the president. When countries become beligerent their media becomes very compliant and it is important to remind them when they are being played. Trump lied, but instead of pointing out the lie like they (OK CNN) usually do the media ran with it.

Well in this instance they do look like a bunch of clowns. The Palmer Report to their credit did lead with a posting about the lie, but I go there mainly to find out something bad about Trump and I am never let down.

Kind of late to the game. I think Seeking's point was that make an exaggeration about the attendance at the innauguration and the media are exposing it instaneously. They even went as far as claiming that all this lying will damage the Trump administration's credibility if something ever serious happened. Then when during a semi-serious event (a lot of this is posturing on both sides) happens, the media accept claims that probably could have been fact checked in very short order. If you are worried about Trump become a dictator NR, then why doesn't this fact upset you?

It seems that some people are delusional enough to believe that before Trump and the Russians there was no fake news. North Report you pump out link after link to US propaganda mills that have over and over again proven themselves to be unreliable.

It seems you couldn't tell a real news station if it bit you in the ass.

I just don't know how highlighting a lie which was the purpose of the thread (and particularly the way the US press was slow to the truth) can be construed as covering up the lie? That to me is a bit of alternative logic.

Okay but my takeaway from the story was. 1) Trump and the military lied. 2) That largely the US media and others reguritated the lie without fact checking whatsoever. Yes they later were happy to point out the lie well after the fact, but that doesn't diminish their derelection of duty.

Sure blaming the media for creating fake news was over the top (what around here isn't?), but the media are not blameless.

2) That largely the US media and others reguritated the lie without fact checking whatsoever.

I'm absolutely NOT suggesting that the U.S. government always tells the truth. NOT, NOT, NOT!

But at the same time, do they usually say things like "we launched another Space Shuttle yesterday", when clearly, they didn't?

I think the media should be skeptical of claims like "we HAD to do this or millions would die", but it's a bit of a shame that now they also have to be skeptical of claims like "we deployed troops in the region". Ordinarily, the lie would be about NOT deploying troops in the region, but now it's just some weird coin toss.

But I think the real take-away here is that POTUS Donald Trump looks like some flaky Uber driver who just has to detour ten miles out of the way "to pick up some dry-cleaning, and then we're good to go".

I hope the laughs are for more than my spelling, but there was a doozy there. The truism that in war the first casualty is truth can I guess also be applied to chest thumping among nations.

Remember when the innauguration lies happened the press would say 'well its a little thing in itself, but the big issue is that when we get to the major crisis are people going to believe the WH?ggg'. Then a bigger thing comes, the WH lies and the press run with it, I guess answering the question.

Not that I don't think there are plenty of examples of the media parroting what the president says (there are).
I am inclined to cut them a bit of slack in this case, because it isn't as if the mid-ocean correspondent can hop in the press rowboat and go verify that there actually is an armada heading in the right direction. In this case they had to wait for the people with surveillance China, and the U.S. Navy, to provide the information. And as the OP story points out, it wasn't just in U.S. media. Understandably, Asian media was also giving it coverage.

Plus it is one thing to report what the president has said and another to write a story which shares his perspective.

Too bad the MSM in the US can't afford to get a satilite feed and a staff person with the right tools to search for the fleet. That kind of investigation would be useful when reporting on all kinds of international incidents including air crashes and natural disasters. But its way cheaper to just regurgitate the government line instead of doing the investigative work.

This is minor incident not like babies in incubators and viagra fueled rapists and government chemical attacks on its own people. Those alt facts have caused suffering for hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians who have been subjected to Western R2P kindness, killing them softly with our love.

Too bad the MSM in the US can't afford to get a satilite feed and a staff person with the right tools to search for the fleet.

Perhaps the problem is that they don't all pool their resources. So really, it would come down to ONE news outlet hiring a dedicated boat tracker.

I really can't see why any of them would have, or should have, decided to prioritize such a thing. Again, I'm not suggesting that the White House always tells the truth, but have there been lots and lots of similar cases of the White House saying "The USS Tom Clancy is on her way to Beirut" when in fact it's in dry dock, and this will surely become known?

I think it takes a special kind of POTUS to choose to tell a silly, factual lie that they must know will be plausibly exposed.

Too bad the MSM in the US can't afford to get a satilite feed and a staff person with the right tools to search for the fleet.

Perhaps the problem is that they don't all pool their resources. So really, it would come down to ONE news outlet hiring a dedicated boat tracker.

I really can't see why any of them would have, or should have, decided to prioritize such a thing.

I guess the problem we have Magoo is you either don't read well for content or you don't read the whole post before your mind starts racing to the take down. In this case the news audience could have been shown the progress of the fleet in a few seconds with a zoom in and out providing good visuals and a little less time on talking heads pontificating. Of course having someone looking for boats constantly makes no sense however having a satillite feed in this day and age would help in many areas of international coverage as the part of my post you didn't quote clearly states. Wouldn't it be nice if our reporters had as much satillite acquired info as the spy agencies of many countries? Maybe a global system accessible for journalists from participating outlets.

Of course having someone looking for boats constantly makes no sense however having a satillite feed in this day and age would help in many areas of international coverage as the part of my post you didn't quote clearly states.

How would that help if there were not someone looking for boats??

No matter how you slice and dice it, even a satellite surveillance system wouldn't help unless each news agency wants to assign someone to monitor it, OR unless each time any government says "the fleet is heading west", someone is assigned to check the satellite feed to verify that the fleet is, indeed, heading west.

I'll suggest again that the failure here wasn't that "the MSM" doesn't replicate foreign military surveillance, it's that none of them expected the POTUS to tell a bald-faced lie that he would inevitably be busted for.

To borrow from my upthread example, if the White House claims to have launched a space shuttle that they didn't, is the problem that "the MSM" isn't monitoring space with a huge telescope, or is the problem that no previous administration ever claimed a space shuttle launch that never happened?

When I am anxious over a container arriving I will look it up on the commercial ships website. Not saying that there is similiar warship website, but I am guessing the location of the major ships is well known and that a good Washington reporter would easily be able to confirm the location of a key ship. Heck it was involved in a practice war with Australian ships so it wasn't really a ultra-secret where it was. The WH said it is here and all those reporters who had said that they now had to question everything coming out of the White House accepted this without bothering to check.