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I wonder if that old dusty muhfucka is still salty about that whole Lords Of The Underground thing…

anyways….

Aftermath sucks for dropping this dude.

Fuck is wrong is Dre?

11.10.08 at 7:04 pm

Sir Teef of Estelle

^ what I meant to say is WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH DRE

blame it on half a bottle of Chimay

11.10.08 at 7:07 pm

C.Bloom

that picture is great.

rap shows…

11.10.08 at 7:07 pm

jowhite

from the D.I.T.C. Records – “The Movement” project, I think?

Any thoughts on that whole joint?

11.10.08 at 7:26 pm

OED

flows for days, creative, puchlines, dumbs it down AND manages to remain clever….
can somebody PLEASE explain why this dude isn’t a household name yet?

Pun, Rakim, a young, hungry BDK…ALL of them would struggle in today’s market.

Of course, of course, the game’s changed…yadda yadda, but that’s a sad statement.

11.10.08 at 7:29 pm

Douglas Howser

@ Teef

That Chimay 12% is at Whole Foods. Talk about puttin’ folks down for the count. Wow!

Joell is slept on waaaaayyyyy too much.

11.10.08 at 7:31 pm

AmpGeez a.k.a. The Lonely Stoner

flows for days, creative, puchlines, dumbs it down AND manages to remain clever….
can somebody PLEASE explain why this dude isn’t a household name yet?
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He doesn’t really craft great songs though. His joints hit hard (Ayo!!) but I’m not sure how “creative he really is. Ortiz has a zone that he’s good in. He just needs to expand that zone.

P.S. Dave Chappelle is hosting the 200th episode of Inside The Actor’s Studio. Entertaining stuff. Then again, Dave smoking a square is entertaining to me lol.

11.10.08 at 7:36 pm

OED

Speaking of cats trapped in the wrong era:
Phonte’s contribution on the 88 Keys album (Close Call) is just ridiculous…AND he sang the chorus.
That’s a talented mofo.

11.10.08 at 7:38 pm

AmpGeez a.k.a. The Lonely Stoner

@ One.Eye.

That whole album is crazy!
One of the best hip-hop “concept” records ever. It’s got me rethinking my “Best of ’08” list.

11.10.08 at 7:38 pm

OED

point taken Amp.
maybe that’s what holds him back to that degree.
he doesn’t strike me as the typical battle/punchline MC that would have difficulty crafting a great SONG, but hey, ya never know.

TC
I was playing that on the way to work today, and was thinking the same thing.
YOU KNOW it’s dope when after only a few listens you find yourself saying to yourself,
“ok, there’s Prince Among Thieves, Masta Ace’s joint, maybe ahead of Equinox, maybe right after it….”

DOPE album.

11.10.08 at 7:44 pm

AmpGeez a.k.a. The Lonely Stoner

I think Ortiz is a beast, but Pun was a beast & still managed to pull in the casual listener. It’s about Joell finding a way to inject his personality into his rhymes more often. I mean, he’s a clever, smart ass type MC, but Pun had it all. Plus, he was a funny ass cat. I believe Joell has it in him (Ayo!!), I’m just waiting to see it.

11.10.08 at 7:45 pm

AmpGeez a.k.a. The Lonely Stoner

@ Teef

Tonight on Bravo. Started @ 8.

11.10.08 at 7:48 pm

Sir Teef of Estelle

Joell could stand to learn how to craft a SONG and an ALBUM, but other than that, he’s got everything else. but I don’t see him dumbing down to chase that mass appeal. especially when it’s hard to attain superstar status, and even then, it’s not all that it’s cracked up to be. Joell seems like he’d rather not compromise his integrity for that. that might’ve been why he wasn’t a good fit at Aftermath.

“One More Chance”/”Not A Player”…(that type of song) to himself on the casual listener/clubbing female radar and dude would separate himself from mostly all of his contemporaries.

Easier said than done though, huh? LOL EVERYBODY wants a crossover hit like that. That’s where that Dre collabo seemed promising, but enh…

11.10.08 at 8:13 pm

OED

^
* to PUT himself

11.10.08 at 8:15 pm

AmpGeez a.k.a. The Lonely Stoner

“One More Chance”/”Not A Player”…(that type of song) to himself on the casual listener/clubbing female radar and dude would separate himself from mostly all of his contemporaries.
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Exactly! But like you said, that’s easier said than done. And it took time for Pun & Big to get to the level where they were comfortable doing those songs. Most battle MC’s attempts at crossover songs end up sounding forced & fake. Dre would’ve helped with that, but I understand Joell’s decision to bounce. He just needs to get with some commercial producers who can help him find a “commercial persona”.

What about “Memories,” the Salaam Remi joint or “Good Times,” with that Bobby Darin sample…I could see those having a wider reach and I think “Memories” is a well-crafted “song,” showing his range as a true emcee.

Joell is a beast on the mic, while he needs to be heard, if he’s not, as long as the quality keeps coming I’ll be happy. Killer Mike, different issues, same story…the masses have slept and continue to sleep.

also, history lesson:

11.10.08 at 8:50 pm

Sir Teef of Estelle

50 Obama facts you might not know {swipe}

• He collects Spider-Man and Conan the Barbarian comics

• He was known as “O’Bomber” at high school for his skill at basketball

• His name means “one who is blessed” in Swahili

• His favourite meal is wife Michelle’s shrimp linguini

• He won a Grammy in 2006 for the audio version of his memoir, Dreams From My Father

• He is left-handed – the sixth post-war president to be left-handed

• He has read every Harry Potter book

• He owns a set of red boxing gloves autographed by Muhammad Ali

• He worked in a Baskin-Robbins ice cream shop as a teenager and now can’t stand ice cream

• His favourite snacks are chocolate-peanut protein bars

• He ate dog meat, snake meat, and roasted grasshopper while living in Indonesia

• He can speak Spanish

• While on the campaign trail he refused to watch CNN and had sports channels on instead

• His favourite drink is black forest berry iced tea

• He promised Michelle he would quit smoking before running for president – he didn’t

• He kept a pet ape called Tata while in Indonesia

• He can bench press an impressive 200lbs

• He was known as Barry until university when he asked to be addressed by his full name

• His favourite book is Moby-Dick by Herman Melville

• He visited Wokingham, Berks, in 1996 for the stag party of his half-sister’s fiancé, but left when a stripper arrived

• His desk in his Senate office once belonged to Robert Kennedy

• He and Michelle made $4.2 million (£2.7 million) last year, with much coming from sales of his books

• His favourite films are Casablanca and One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest

• He carries a tiny Madonna and child statue and a bracelet belonging to a soldier in Iraq for good luck

• He applied to appear in a black pin-up calendar while at Harvard but was rejected by the all-female committee.

• His favourite music includes Miles Davis, Bob Dylan, Bach and The Fugees

• He took Michelle to see the Spike Lee film Do The Right Thing on their first date

• He enjoys playing Scrabble and poker

• He doesn’t drink coffee and rarely drinks alcohol

• He would have liked to have been an architect if he were not a politician

• As a teenager he took drugs including marijuana and cocaine

• His daughters’ ambitions are to go to Yale before becoming an actress (Malia, 10) and to sing and dance (Sasha, 7)

• He hates the youth trend for trousers which sag beneath the backside

• He repaid his student loan only four years ago after signing his book deal

• His house in Chicago has four fire places

• Daughter Malia’s godmother is Jesse Jackson’s daughter Santita

• He says his worst habit is constantly checking his BlackBerry

• He uses an Apple Mac laptop

• He drives a Ford Escape Hybrid, having ditched his gas-guzzling Chrysler 300

• He wears $1,500 (£952) Hart Schaffner Marx suits

• He owns four identical pairs of black size 11 shoes

• He has his hair cut once a week by his Chicago barber, Zariff, who charges $21 (£13)

• His favourite fictional television programmes are Mash and The Wire

• He was given the code name “Renegade” by his Secret Service handlers

• He was nicknamed “Bear” by his late grandmother

• He plans to install a basketball court in the White House grounds

• His favourite artist is Pablo Picasso

• His speciality as a cook is chilli

• He has said many of his friends in Indonesia were “street urchins”

• He keeps on his desk a carving of a wooden hand holding an egg, a Kenyan symbol of the fragility of life

• His late father was a senior economist for the Kenyan government

11.10.08 at 8:50 pm

jowhite

and also, I nominate Chappelle for top-10 all-time.

11.10.08 at 9:05 pm

AmpGeez a.k.a. The Lonely Stoner

• As a teenager he took drugs including marijuana and cocaine
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Say word?

• He plans to install a basketball court in the White House grounds
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Now tell me that ain’t some black ish lol.
Imagine “Barry” & the homies running a full in the White House.

• He was given the code name “Renegade” by his Secret Service handlers
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Cool code name. I think Bush’s code name was “H.M.I.C.”. Head Moron In Charge.

• He collects Spider-Man and Conan the Barbarian comics
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The more I find out about “Renegade O Bomber” the more I like him. Seems like a cool cat. The kinda cat that’ll I could see myself hanging out with lol. I mean, we could play ball, trade comics, eat some chilli, blow a dub (Sorry B, I don’t eff with powders or pills lol) & have a marathon Wire watching session. My idea of a President lol.

I’m waiting on my invite, B!

11.10.08 at 9:13 pm

Sir Teef of Estelle

“we’d just have to pull our pants up around him!”

^ ummm, yeah….i know, don’t bother, i’ll say it myself:

no homo

11.10.08 at 9:24 pm

AmpGeez a.k.a. The Lonely Stoner

^LMAO!

11.10.08 at 9:27 pm

OED

^LMFAO @ Teef

and no doubt, Amp.
installing the b-ball court, etc just makes this man so much cooler than he already was.
any doubt the white house menu will have a few revisions?

11.10.08 at 9:35 pm

AmpGeez a.k.a. The Lonely Stoner

^ Above all, there’s a genuine quality about Obama, which I think attracts people. Like, he comes off as a real dude. The same quality that Clinton had & Bush lacked, Obama has in abundance.

“After graduating from Harvard( before Barack by the way), Michelle accepted a position at a downtown Chicago law firm. In 1989 she was asked to mentor(ie.”The Boss”) a summer associate from Harvard named Barack Obama. According to reports, Barack didn’t have much interest in corporate law, but did have a lot of interest in Michelle.”

But I gotta respect Barack’s swagger…………………
he learned all he needed to know that summer and look where he is today!!!

11.10.08 at 10:53 pm

Sir Teef of Estelle

hot damn, I feel like sippin’ on Hennessy & Grand Marnier (aka a French Connection) and 2-steppin’ the night away listening to this old-fart music

11.10.08 at 10:56 pm

NDiamonds

Looks like Teef is stuck on those Belgian Beers ever since that pic of home girl drinking the Chimay and eatin chicken….lol

For my new jobby job I sell Delirium Tremens, Duvel, Fantome, Rodenbach, Dupont, Allagash, La Fin du Monde, and Ommegang to name a few…there’s finna be lot’s of good drinking going on around here. Gotta learn my products…lol.

Glad to see you aren’t fuckin’ with that Stella anymore..lol

And Joell is that dude!! Dre is trippin’.

11.10.08 at 10:59 pm

NDiamonds

Word Fonz. That shit made my night.

11.10.08 at 11:00 pm

Big Fonz

No doubt. I’m bout to hit the rack. Peace.

11.10.08 at 11:09 pm

Sir Teef of Estelle

@ NDiamonds – yeah, those Trappist Ales are good quality shit. I went to this spot called Capital Ale House here in Fredericksburg after work, looked at the selection of ales on the menu, and saw that they were selling Chimay for twice what it retails for at the Total Wine Store. needless to say, I bounced.

11.10.08 at 11:12 pm

Big Fonz

Hey Teef you run on a Mac too huh? The only prob I have on my Mac is that when I try to listen to a song on ZShare, I can’t. I have to download and then listen, nos streaming for me. I don’t know why that happens though. I have Flip4Mac and Perian installed? Any suggestions?

11.10.08 at 11:17 pm

Sir Teef of Estelle

^ ZShare has been working fine for me lately, no problems

11.10.08 at 11:20 pm

Big Fonz

Nah, it’s not the site. I know that it’s my computer ’cause I uninstalled those two apps and it works fine. i just hate not being able to preview a song before downloading.

11.10.08 at 11:24 pm

Sir Teef of Estelle

^ I had that problem with the DJ Jamad Afromentals that were upped on ZShare a few weeks ago…as a matter of fact, I couldn’t even download them…other than fact, I don’t know what the problem is…I’m probably one of the least computer literate fools on here, lol…I’m only good for downloading shit, copy/paste links for music from other sites, and making dumb-ass comments