charlitos saidIs there a thread regarding gay rights that does not turn into a flame war within the first 25 posts?

I don't think it take anyways near 25 posts if it's regarding homosexual anything ... from hair styles to fashions to the latest 3 series convertibles to lady gaga / Madonna to butt fukin. Anything and everything turns into flame wars.

Whipmagic saidIsn't it weird how a good gay kid turns in the eyes of the Boy Scouts into a pervert that must be expelled the minute he turns eighteen?

There's got to be a more workable answer to this. I'm also quite uncomfortable with my grandson being a member in a troop with adult homosexual troop leaders, but I freely admit that I don't know what the answer is.

I also think it's very wrong to expel a homosexual kid once he turns 18. What makes the difference between when he is 17 and 364 days versus 18? What about adult homosexual partners who happen to have a son (who in all likelihood is straight) in the boy scouts. Does this mean that those parents can't participate like every other parent?

The term homosexual is from what I see the only term used by homophobes or those against gay marriage and I always sense a strong negative connotation. Being against the current, generally accepted term often but not always goes along with being against gay rights.

But - there are some who don't like the term gay because they think of some connotations, such as stereotypical and generally false behavior. So whatever floats your boat.

I don't see much gaiety around RJ with these non-stop flame wars regarding any imaginable subject.

I personally didn't like being referred to as 'gay'; back during my 'gay' days and much preferred homo, queer or fag.

To be more precise: the BSA has voted to no longer kick kids out of Scouts for being gay. There have always been gay kids in Scouts; we start in Cubs at about 8 years old, long before we know gay or straight.

The egregious practice is not vetting kids for homosexuality before accepting them, it is the practise of kicking the kids out who have been Scouts for years, for being gay.

Upper_Cdn saidTo be more precise: the BSA has voted to no longer kick kids out of Scouts for being gay. There have always been gay kids in Scouts; we start in Cubs at about 8 years old, long before we know gay or straight.

The egregious practice is not vetting kids for homosexuality before accepting them, it is the practise of kicking the kids out who have been Scouts for years, for being gay.

I wouldn't want to be involved as a leader because there is just too much potential for wrongful accusation. If someone accuses you of rape or molestation, you're going to be perceived as a rapist or molester regardless of innocence or guilt. That's just the world we live in. You really have to CYA, which would be hard under some circumstances.

I have immense respect for my scout leaders from when I was growing up, and I want to be supportive of the organization overall. I advocated for the acceptance and inclusion of gay scouts, and I will for gay leaders when they address that issue in the future. Society needs to change, but that won't happen overnight. I think they will be allowed eventually, but I don't think it's realistic to expect them to embrace it yet. Soon, but not yet.

Meanwhile, I can still be supportive of the young scouts via fundraisers and upholding the overall values that they taught me. It's a good organization. It's just that some overly socially conservative people are trying to use it to further their own objectives while disregarding its less convenient main purposes.

MileHighYo saidI wouldn't want to be involved as a leader because there is just too much potential for wrongful accusation. If someone accuses you of rape or molestation, you're going to be perceived as a rapist or molester regardless of innocence or guilt. That's just the world we live in. You really have to CYA, which would be hard under some circumstances.

I have immense respect for my scout leaders from when I was growing up, and I want to be supportive of the organization overall. I advocated for the acceptance and inclusion of gay scouts, and I will for gay leaders when they address that issue in the future. Society needs to change, but that won't happen overnight. I think they will be allowed eventually, but I don't think it's realistic to expect them to embrace it yet. Soon, but not yet.

Meanwhile, I can still be supportive of the young scouts via fundraisers and upholding the overall values that they taught me. It's a good organization. It's just that some overly socially conservative people are trying to use it to further their own objectives while disregarding its less convenient main purposes.

"I wouldn't want to be involved as a leader because there is just too much potential for wrongful accusation. If someone accuses you of rape or molestation, you're going to be perceived as a rapist or molester regardless of innocence or guilt. That's just the world we live in. You really have to CYA, which would be hard under some circumstances."

There's a good pun in the above somewhere.

I agree and I was in the entire way from Cub Scouts on. After all, it was where I learned to shoot, thanks to volunteers from the NRA.

And I agree that it's just too risky for a homosexual adult male unless maybe they had a son or so in the same troop.