Just head Micky Gray managing to bemoan the use of VAR in the Premier league and then the lack of it at non-Premier league ground for the FA Cup ties!

He kind of has a point about the unbalanced nature of it but do feel the topic a double edged sword isn't it for these pundits.

Either go back to complaining about human error mistakes made by officials which "ruin the game" after watching endless replays or accept VAR is here to stay but will delay games and as proven don't be 100% perfect and "sucks the joy out of fans going to games?

Sam Matterface must be the worst radio commentator around today. He makes absolutely no attempt to alter how he'd commentate if he was on TV, so loads of action goes uncovered while he waffles about god knows what and chats to his co-commentator. Today he was talking about something else when the first goal went in, so he had to then miss the kick off because he was trying to explain how the goal had happened, then he ignored the action again in favour of more aimless waffle. At one point he said, 'The ball's now on the left' - the left of what? One end of the pitch or the other, or in the middle? In the possession of which side? Can you possibly give us a clue??? On another occasion you heard the crowd start shouting and he said, 'ooh, what's happened here?' Well, maybe you can tell us, Sam, because, you know, we're listening to the radio and we can't see! And elsewhere he said, '...And that wasn't a good shot' - maybe tell us why, eh? Try and describe stuff, d'you think? He simply has no idea what a radio commentator needs to do.

Hyram Fyram - are you Erskine Might over on TalkFORUM?! As he wrote very much the same - I screenshot the posts to put them on Twitter as it was too good not to share and then worried that said poster wouldn’t be happy!!

A great finish to the test match but why do Talksport keep replaying the final ball with that screaming banshee yelling into our ears.. ?
Do they really think they are doing a good job covering the cricket?. They are not a patch on TMS. They keep saying they have a scoop with Kevin Pieterson working for them. Pieterson is out there working for Sky & is doing odd bits for talksport.
All of a sudden Alan Brazil is a big England cricket fan, where has that come from?. He used to hate anything to do with England , especially cricket. Makes you wonder if he’s been promised a future trip, maybe next winter. Brazil would sell his soul to the devil.

A great finish to the test match but why do Talksport keep replaying the final ball with that screaming banshee yelling into our ears.. ?
Do they really think they are doing a good job covering the cricket?. They are not a patch on TMS. They keep saying they have a scoop with Kevin Pieterson working for them. Pieterson is out there working for Sky & is doing odd bits for talksport.

I mean if you like the tugging forlocks type 1950s stuff that TMS can be at times then sure. From the dipping in TS isn't perfect but it's modern/fresh sounding.

Oh and KP isn't working for Sky. He's working for Supersport and Talksport (and hired by both). Cheers now.

The one I most enjoy listening to is Steve Harmison, although Shaun Pollock and Kevin Pietersen have both been very good additions to the team. I quite like the way they are utilising Mark Nicholas, he's working more as a summariser (though will call the play sometimes) which allows him to tell plenty of stories from his years in cricket.

I can't listen to Kevin Pietersen, just a Warne clone parroting "intent" all the time. Don't like tms much anymore though, actually because they long ago gave way to the so-called 50s style of broadcasting, to make way for shrill WUM's like Vaughan which is far too modern and fresh for me...

Micky Gray talking about the "emotion being taken out of the game" and how West Ham have been hard done by with VAR.

Well maybe as VAR does seem to take time and does bring doubt into the minds of people celebrating but what about the enjoyment that would have been lost by Sheffield United fans celebrating another win if that goal had been allowed to stand against the current handball rules?

Now those rules might be in the view of many like the offside rulings harsh and very unfair on the attacker but in the past we'd have officials criticised for missing such incidents or getting an offside wrong by an inch.

Either we accept minor mistakes* by officials for the shake of the flow of the game or we have all this waiting and fuss to ensure goals are given fairly?

*Of course we don't want to see big errors missed but no one is perfect.

Personally I think the issue is that so many decisions in football are subjective that VAR is just like another pair of eyes from a ref making his own call with his own personal view.

Its not concrete like goal line technology and I've seen players appeal about that (more than about a little offside or handball tbh!)

Good God, how can they call it “Super Sunday “ when it’s Watford v Bournemouth playing? I’d rather poke my eyes out with cocktail sticks than watch a game like that. I couldn’t imagine anyone buying a season ticket to watch the rubbish played on that pitch ! 🙄
And tS talk about the rubbish our teams play up here they really should look closer to home.
Apologies to Mark & Ramage but it’s the truth. 🧐

Good God, how can they call it “Super Sunday “ when it’s Watford v Bournemouth playing? I’d rather poke my eyes out with cocktail sticks than watch a game like that. I couldn’t imagine anyone buying a season ticket to watch the rubbish played on that pitch ! 🙄
And tS talk about the rubbish our teams play up here they really should look closer to home.
Apologies to Mark & Ramage but it’s the truth. 🧐

Personally I thought Watford were very good today & are far to good to go down.
What I can’t understand Sleeper is why do you watch the Premier League when you hate everything to do with our country. You must sit there filled with jealousy.
Just stick to your pub teams.

Natalie doesn’t shout and rage like Jim, and she makes it a pleasure to listen to.

For me Jim White just makes me think I never really appreciated how good the old Keys & Gray show was.

White is terrible in my view.

Good to see the old thread is still somehow surviving, the radio station certainly doesn't deserve you.

And just a mention on Alan Brazil, ... how he is still defying medical science???.

I always thought the Jim White hiring was temporary after Colin Murray quit, so it's surprising that he is still there after three years - doing that show and his TV job every day. It's even more surprising that the arrangement continued after Murdoch sold Sky.