Re: Eureka seveN: Episode 45 AS Discussion

Magil wrote:The topic is that Renton and Eureka were on top of their game as characters today, both of them brought their conflict between them and between Maurice and Renton to a conclusion in a beautiful and masterfully done fashion.

Not to mention filling the air with a good amount of heartfelt feeling and emotion which proves Renton's dedication and love for Eureka to an incredible level. Let's not forget that.

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Re: Eureka seveN: Episode 45 AS Discussion

I agree that it was a very emotional moment. But I mostly wanted him to stop hurting himself like that. Trying to empathize with her suffering is one thing, but I wouldn't have automatically equated her glowing spots with wounds and pain. Even Maurice, when he tried it, seemed to realize that it wasn't really accomplishing anything. It did seem to make Eureka stop feeling so concerned about herself, but it was still a difficult moment. I almost felt like it was less about him reaching out to her and more about involving himself in her troubles. Which is an act of love, I suppose, but not necessarily the most selfless or sensible one.

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Cille wrote:I agree that it was a very emotional moment. But I mostly wanted him to stop hurting himself like that. Trying to empathize with her suffering is one thing, but I wouldn't have automatically equated her glowing spots with wounds and pain. Even Maurice, when he tried it, seemed to realize that it wasn't really accomplishing anything. It did seem to make Eureka stop feeling so concerned about herself, but it was still a difficult moment. I almost felt like it was less about him reaching out to her and more about involving himself in her troubles. Which is an act of love, I suppose, but not necessarily the most selfless or sensible one.

Renton probably didn't know to do anything else. Her condition was bothering her, but for what reasons he couldn't necessarily piece together, so he decided to show her that he'd do whatever it took to make sure they would always remain a couple. It's not like Renton thought he could make his arm exactly like hers, but dammit, he was going to do his best for her. Renton's actions brought Eureka back to reality in a very effective way.

Another thing that I especially despised was when you accused Eureka of 'guilt tripping' Maurice. Come on, was any of what she was saying wrong? Maurice did say accuse Renton of causing her body to change, and he said that he wanted it to go back...Eureka was making him realize that if he wanted to love her, he would have to love what she had become as well. In doing this, she by proxy was saying that Renton isn't all bad, that she would accept these changes as part of herself.

And as a more general statement(not speaking to Cille in particular here), people keep saying that what he did wasn't the best thing, but I haven't heard a single suggestion of what the "best thing" would've been. Apparently you're all as clueless as Renton is, but still willing to pass judgment on his actions

"It's not just about raw power, it's also about how far you're willing to debase yourself before feeling bad. And me? I ripped off my own flesh so that I wouldn't have to admit weakness. You're strictly little league compared to that. That right there? That's the difference between bonafide true Evil with a capital "E" and your whiny, "evil, but for a good cause" crap. One gets to be the butch, and one gets to be the bitch--Bitch." -Xykon, lich sorcerer

Re: Eureka seveN: Episode 45 AS Discussion

Cille wrote:I agree that it was a very emotional moment. But I mostly wanted him to stop hurting himself like that. Trying to empathize with her suffering is one thing, but I wouldn't have automatically equated her glowing spots with wounds and pain. Even Maurice, when he tried it, seemed to realize that it wasn't really accomplishing anything. It did seem to make Eureka stop feeling so concerned about herself, but it was still a difficult moment. I almost felt like it was less about him reaching out to her and more about involving himself in her troubles. Which is an act of love, I suppose, but not necessarily the most selfless or sensible one.

Renton probably didn't know to do anything else. Her condition was bothering her, but for what reasons he couldn't necessarily piece together, so he decided to show her that he'd do whatever it took to make sure they would always remain a couple. It's not like Renton thought he could make his arm exactly like hers, but dammit, he was going to do his best for her. Renton's actions brought Eureka back to reality in a very effective way.

Another thing that I especially despised was when you accused Eureka of 'guilt tripping' Maurice. Come on, was any of what she was saying wrong? Maurice did say accuse Renton of causing her body to change, and he said that he wanted it to go back...Eureka was making him realize that if he wanted to love her, he would have to love what she had become as well. In doing this, she by proxy was saying that Renton isn't all bad, that she would accept these changes as part of herself.

And as a more general statement(not speaking to Cille in particular here), people keep saying that what he did wasn't the best thing, but I haven't heard a single suggestion of what the "best thing" would've been. Apparently you're all as clueless as Renton is, but still willing to pass judgment on his actions

No one should pass judgment on Renton. He was doing the best that he could with what he had at the time. What teenager would know what to do if his sweety started glowing green?

Re: Eureka seveN: Episode 45 AS Discussion

Cille wrote:I agree that it was a very emotional moment. But I mostly wanted him to stop hurting himself like that. Trying to empathize with her suffering is one thing, but I wouldn't have automatically equated her glowing spots with wounds and pain. Even Maurice, when he tried it, seemed to realize that it wasn't really accomplishing anything. It did seem to make Eureka stop feeling so concerned about herself, but it was still a difficult moment. I almost felt like it was less about him reaching out to her and more about involving himself in her troubles. Which is an act of love, I suppose, but not necessarily the most selfless or sensible one.

Renton probably didn't know to do anything else. Her condition was bothering her, but for what reasons he couldn't necessarily piece together, so he decided to show her that he'd do whatever it took to make sure they would always remain a couple. It's not like Renton thought he could make his arm exactly like hers, but dammit, he was going to do his best for her. Renton's actions brought Eureka back to reality in a very effective way.

Another thing that I especially despised was when you accused Eureka of 'guilt tripping' Maurice. Come on, was any of what she was saying wrong? Maurice did say accuse Renton of causing her body to change, and he said that he wanted it to go back...Eureka was making him realize that if he wanted to love her, he would have to love what she had become as well. In doing this, she by proxy was saying that Renton isn't all bad, that she would accept these changes as part of herself.

And as a more general statement(not speaking to Cille in particular here), people keep saying that what he did wasn't the best thing, but I haven't heard a single suggestion of what the "best thing" would've been. Apparently you're all as clueless as Renton is, but still willing to pass judgment on his actions

Just give up on that, we don't need to give you a "better reaction/response/etc etc." type scenario.

You just need to accept that what he did was not necessarily the best way but what the story-writer/animators wanted you to feel, was teh best way, and you bit into what they sold. Good Job.

We are looking at in terms of possibilities.. Not stuck on what happened in the show.

As I said I agree with why he did it, just not how he went about it.

You would think after running in circles 20 times, that on the 21st try I would remember what I had already done.. Confusing and pointless isn't it?

Re: Eureka seveN: Episode 45 AS Discussion

Another thing that I especially despised was when you accused Eureka of 'guilt tripping' Maurice. Come on, was any of what she was saying wrong? Maurice did say accuse Renton of causing her body to change, and he said that he wanted it to go back...Eureka was making him realize that if he wanted to love her, he would have to love what she had become as well. In doing this, she by proxy was saying that Renton isn't all bad, that she would accept these changes as part of herself.

The thing is that she had spent the entire past couple of episodes not accepting the changes or allowing the others to love her as she was. She tried to hide them, and when they were revealed she ran away and wouldn't let Renton or the kids reach out to her. It took Renton physically harming himself for her to accept his own acceptance, and then she turns around and expects Maurice to do something she couldn't do herself. What she said wasn't wrong, and it was important for all of them to realize that what was happening couldn't be reversed, but it seemed a little odd coming from her right after she got done pushing away Renton trying to tell her that he cared for her no matter what she looked like. Especially since you might think she would have been a little more convinced of Renton's feelings after everything they've gone through and the insecurities they've already faced.

I still think that Renton did what he thought was the right thing at the time. Some may have thought it was irrational, but usually when people are upset, crying and the love of their life is glowing green and in pain they don't tend to think rationaly.

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Magil wrote:What's the alternative to beating his own arm with the rock, I ask? And would it have worked better? I think that was the probably the absolute best thing he could've done in that situation. It INSTANTLY brought Eureka out of her funk, and reaffirmed that he'd do anything to bring them together all in one masterful stroke. Just saying it wouldn't have been nearly as effective.

Um...not beat his arm?He could have grabbed her and kissed her, works for me when my girl starts acting wacky

Look, what Renton did was not stupid OR romantic. What he did was PANIC. He was at his wits end with this whole situation. You really believe he did this purposely to snap Eureka out of her mood? I'm sorry, but he's 14 years old, that is just not the case.He paniked. But what happened next is that Eureka stopped thinking about herself and started to think about Renton. It snapped her out of it indeed, but what he did was not premeditated.

Re: Eureka seveN: Episode 45 AS Discussion

The thing is that she had spent the entire past couple of episodes not accepting the changes or allowing the others to love her as she was. She tried to hide them, and when they were revealed she ran away and wouldn't let Renton or the kids reach out to her. It took Renton physically harming himself for her to accept his own acceptance, and then she turns around and expects Maurice to do something she couldn't do herself. What she said wasn't wrong, and it was important for all of them to realize that what was happening couldn't be reversed, but it seemed a little odd coming from her right after she got done pushing away Renton trying to tell her that he cared for her no matter what she looked like. Especially since you might think she would have been a little more convinced of Renton's feelings after everything they've gone through and the insecurities they've already faced.

Even if that's the case, then what she said and did was the best thing for her to do. Eureka made it so that Maurice didn't have to suffer like she did. If she realized what she was doing was wrong, then it makes sense she would make Maurice realize it is wrong as well. Isn't that what parents do for their children?

"It's not just about raw power, it's also about how far you're willing to debase yourself before feeling bad. And me? I ripped off my own flesh so that I wouldn't have to admit weakness. You're strictly little league compared to that. That right there? That's the difference between bonafide true Evil with a capital "E" and your whiny, "evil, but for a good cause" crap. One gets to be the butch, and one gets to be the bitch--Bitch." -Xykon, lich sorcerer

Re: Eureka seveN: Episode 45 AS Discussion

Magil wrote:What's the alternative to beating his own arm with the rock, I ask? And would it have worked better? I think that was the probably the absolute best thing he could've done in that situation. It INSTANTLY brought Eureka out of her funk, and reaffirmed that he'd do anything to bring them together all in one masterful stroke. Just saying it wouldn't have been nearly as effective.

Um...not beat his arm?He could have grabbed her and kissed her, works for me when my girl starts acting wacky

Look, what Renton did was not stupid OR romantic. What he did was PANIC. He was at his wits end with this whole situation. You really believe he did this purposely to snap Eureka out of her mood? I'm sorry, but he's 14 years old, that is just not the case.He paniked. But what happened next is that Eureka stopped thinking about herself and started to think about Renton. It snapped her out of it indeed, but what he did was not premeditated.

but if Renton did kiss her wouldn't that trigger the leap (or what ever it is). Because when Norbu kissed Lady Sakuya she disappeared and he had a compact drive in his chest. My only concern with that response.

Re: Eureka seveN: Episode 45 AS Discussion

Another thing that I especially despised was when you accused Eureka of 'guilt tripping' Maurice. Come on, was any of what she was saying wrong? Maurice did say accuse Renton of causing her body to change, and he said that he wanted it to go back...Eureka was making him realize that if he wanted to love her, he would have to love what she had become as well. In doing this, she by proxy was saying that Renton isn't all bad, that she would accept these changes as part of herself.

The thing is that she had spent the entire past couple of episodes not accepting the changes or allowing the others to love her as she was. She tried to hide them, and when they were revealed she ran away and wouldn't let Renton or the kids reach out to her. It took Renton physically harming himself for her to accept his own acceptance, and then she turns around and expects Maurice to do something she couldn't do herself. What she said wasn't wrong, and it was important for all of them to realize that what was happening couldn't be reversed, but it seemed a little odd coming from her right after she got done pushing away Renton trying to tell her that he cared for her no matter what she looked like. Especially since you might think she would have been a little more convinced of Renton's feelings after everything they've gone through and the insecurities they've already faced.

True, though if this is a lesson she just learned for herself (which it is), wouldn't it make sense for her to in turn teach it to her kids?