Equally bad is his vacuous bluffing. A spew of word salad that says nothing in a failed effort to disguise the fact he didn't know the answer to the question. Typical for Singh - he was like this through the leadership campaign, too.

I hope Singh is strong enough to defeat those intent on destroying the NDP's chances.

More specifically, reporters wanted to know if Singh’s personal support for the bill was shared by other members of his caucus, especially MPs like Niki Ashton and Nathan Cullen, who once voted to dismantle the federal firearms registry.

He wasn't asked NDP policy. He was asked about Ashton and Cullen because they are his enemies and the press wants to stir the pot and watch the NDP fight itself rather than neoliberalism.

I didn't know that Cullen and Ashton supported the Conservatives on the gun registry. I liked Cullen until I realized he is just another operator. I liked Ashton a lot until I realized she too is a gamer.

The title of the thread is: Jagmeet Singh DOES NOT Know NDP Position On Gun Control

How is it a blunder that he consulted with Caron before confirming that the caucus supports the bill?

“He’s going across the country, attracting massive crowds … there’s a lot of excitement,” Julian said. “When he comes here, as MPs, as critics, we have a responsibility to brief him quickly. And I think we’ll make sure that that happens.”

The NDP is a house divided. This is like caucus in Labour rejecting Corbyn's leadership. I hope that like Corbyn, Singh wins. I see no scenario in which the NDP doesn't get wiped out in 2019 as badly as the Liberals were in 2011. Hopefully the old guard will lose control and a new power centre will form. Unfortunately the old guard may win and set the party back decades.

I recall a few years ago Sean floated the idea of the need for a new party. I argued that it is easier to take over an existing one. I hope that is happening and the NDP will undergo the transformation the Liberals did in terms of rejuvenation regardless of whether or not Singh survives it. If not a new party may be needed.

I hope Singh is strong enough to defeat those intent on destroying the NDP's chances.

More specifically, reporters wanted to know if Singh’s personal support for the bill was shared by other members of his caucus, especially MPs like Niki Ashton and Nathan Cullen, who once voted to dismantle the federal firearms registry.

He wasn't asked NDP policy. He was asked about Ashton and Cullen because they are his enemies and the press wants to stir the pot and watch the NDP fight itself rather than neoliberalism.

I didn't know that Cullen and Ashton supported the Conservatives on the gun registry. I liked Cullen until I realized he is just another operator. I liked Ashton a lot until I realized she too is a gamer.

The title of the thread is: Jagmeet Singh DOES NOT Know NDP Position On Gun Control

So what is the NDP policy on guns?

Ashton isn't Singh's enemy. Her vote on the gun registry, which took place years before Singh won the leadership, had nothing to do with any enmity towards Singh, or with any feelings regarding Singh at all.

Ashton isn't Singh's enemy. Her vote on the gun registry, which took place years before Singh won the leadership, had nothing to do with any enmity towards Singh, or with any feelings regarding Singh at all.

Ashton is Singh's enemy but it has nothing to do with her vote on the gun registry. That speaks to who she is. Some members of caucus obviously don't support him. Ashton is one of them. That is why the press asked specifically about her and Cullen. I'm just surprised they didn't include Angus in the list. Maybe they thought it would have been too obvious.

Ashton isn't Singh's enemy. Her vote on the gun registry, which took place years before Singh won the leadership, had nothing to do with any enmity towards Singh, or with any feelings regarding Singh at all.

Ashton is Singh's enemy but it has nothing to do with her vote on the gun registry. That speaks to who she is. Some members of caucus obviously don't support him. Ashton is one of them. That is why the press asked specifically about her and Cullen. I'm just surprised they didn't include Angus in the list. Maybe they thought it would have been too obvious.

Ashton isn't Singh's enemy. She simply has a different, fuller political vision than he is. She hasn't tried to undermine him or anything and she doesn't want the party to do badly with Singh as leader. It doesn't make you Singh's enemy just to support a real debate on the Israel/Palestine issue at the NDP convention. That simply means she wants to break the pointless silence on that among the major parties.

Ashton isn't Singh's enemy. She simply has a different, fuller political vision than he is. She hasn't tried to undermine him or anything and she doesn't want the party to do badly with Singh as leader. It doesn't make you Singh's enemy just to support a real debate on the Israel/Palestine issue at the NDP convention. That simply means she wants to break the pointless silence on that among the major parties.

She didn't win the leadership. That contest is over. Her vision did not win. Members voted against her vision. The NDP will only advance in 2019 if they are united behind Singh not publically undermining him.

So far Singh has handled it so well that I think he may be able to win enough support internally that his critics are silenced. Not here of course.

I have a question. Realistically there are three men in the running for PM in 2019. Trudeau, Scheer, and Singh.

Of the three, which one do you want to give power to.

Brilliantly done, Pondering! Diverted the thread in one shot. We had actually triggered an interesting conversation. None we're scraping the bottom of the barrel, instead of looking for ammunition to go further.

I should have arranged this comment in bullet points, but I was afraid I'd get fired, or else go ballistic.

She didn't win the leadership. That contest is over. Her vision did not win. Members voted against her vision. The NDP will only advance in 2019 if they are united behind Singh not publically undermining him.

I just answered you in another thread, but will repeat it here since you brought up the leadership vote and members. I don't accept Singh as leader because I think he stole the vote with his mass voting-bloc sign-ups in a couple specific regions of the country. I consider the system to be flawed, or if not necessarily flawed, then subverted in this case in a way it hadn't been before.

I see no scenario in which the NDP doesn't get wiped out in 2019 as badly as the Liberals were in 2011.

The Liberals won 34 seats in 2011 - I don't think the NDP will do anywhere near that well. I expect we'll lose over half of our existing seats, have almost no new pick-ups, and could well end up with less than 20.

I hope Singh is strong enough to defeat those intent on destroying the NDP's chances.

More specifically, reporters wanted to know if Singh’s personal support for the bill was shared by other members of his caucus, especially MPs like Niki Ashton and Nathan Cullen, who once voted to dismantle the federal firearms registry.

He wasn't asked NDP policy. He was asked about Ashton and Cullen because they are his enemies and the press wants to stir the pot and watch the NDP fight itself rather than neoliberalism.

I didn't know that Cullen and Ashton supported the Conservatives on the gun registry. I liked Cullen until I realized he is just another operator. I liked Ashton a lot until I realized she too is a gamer.

The title of the thread is: Jagmeet Singh DOES NOT Know NDP Position On Gun Control

So what is the NDP policy on guns?

Nathan Cullen endorsed Singh in the NDP Leadership race, he isn't his enemy, he's his ally.

Brilliantly done, Pondering! Diverted the thread in one shot. We had actually triggered an interesting conversation. None we're scraping the bottom of the barrel, instead of looking for ammunition to go further.

I should have arranged this comment in bullet points, but I was afraid I'd get fired, or else go ballistic.

Ashton isn't Singh's enemy. She simply has a different, fuller political vision than he is. She hasn't tried to undermine him or anything and she doesn't want the party to do badly with Singh as leader. It doesn't make you Singh's enemy just to support a real debate on the Israel/Palestine issue at the NDP convention. That simply means she wants to break the pointless silence on that among the major parties.

She didn't win the leadership. That contest is over. Her vision did not win. Members voted against her vision.

I accept that Singh won. Ashton accepts that Singh won. Accepting that doesn't mean she has no right to keep fighting for her own ideas. It's not as though the ONLY way to avoid undermining Singh is for no MP to say anything not in exact accord with whatever Singh says.

It's not as though the NDP can gain any ground by having its MPs say NOTHING but "we're against income inequality and that's all that matters".

Of course, the NDP and Liberals, having opposed the elimination of the long-gun registry, are too cowardly to propose bringing it back, even though it was a flimsy Liberal compromise measure in the first place. They must be afraid someone will come and shoot them.

No wonder Jagmeet couldn't recall the NDP policy on gun control. There isn't one. Except for the convention policy I quoted earlier, and even that is guaranteed not to figure in their next election platform. Can you imagine the NDP campaigning on "no handguns in cities"? Me neither.

Debater, please don't participate in this drift. There are plenty of other stupid threads about electoral politics, polls, etc. Did you have any opinion about the NDP position on gun control, and Jagmeet Singh's apparent blissful ignorance on that account?

Nice try but no cigar. You said Jagmeet supported the bill but the link provided only referral to second reading passing with support from the NDP. It would have been impossible for Jag to vote either for against bill c-71. Also you made reference to when Mulcair whipped the NDP to support the now gone gun registry. And from what I have seen so far, Jagmeet won’t be going down that road.

Mathew Dube’s address to parliament seems to indicate that the NDP are going to throw a lot of thorns into the liberal rose bush

Nice try but no cigar. You said Jagmeet supported the bill but the link provided only referral to second reading passing with support from the NDP. It would have been impossible for Jag to vote either for against bill c-71.

I said he supported the bill. I didn't say he voted for it. Reading skills are so important in this day and age.

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Also you made reference to when Mulcair whipped the NDP to support the now gone gun registry. And from what I have seen so far, Jagmeet won’t be going down that road.

Which road are you referring to? I merely made reference to the NDP MPs who supported Stephen Harper's orgasms over guns.

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Mathew Dube’s address to parliament seems to indicate that the NDP are going to throw a lot of thorns into the liberal rose bush

Oh, I see, as if rose bushes are lacking in thorns. Botanical knowledge is so important in this day and age.

Nice try but no cigar. You said Jagmeet supported the bill but the link provided only referral to second reading passing with support from the NDP. It would have been impossible for Jag to vote either for against bill c-71. Also you made reference to when Mulcair whipped the NDP to support the now gone gun registry. And from what I have seen so far, Jagmeet won’t be going down that road.

Mathew Dube’s address to parliament seems to indicate that the NDP are going to throw a lot of thorns into the liberal rose bush

Tom Mulcair didn't whip the long gun registry vote because he wasn't the leader of the NDP at the time. Nycole Turmel was.

I said he supported the bill. I didn't say he voted for it. Reading skills are so important in this day and age.

can you provide the link to support your claim?

Yes:

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More specifically, reporters wanted to know if Singh’s personal support for the bill was shared by other members of his caucus, especially MPs like Niki Ashton and Nathan Cullen, who once voted to dismantle the federal firearms registry.

Only professional writers should be able to use those sorts of high powered, military style assault puns, they have no legitimate use in the hands of civilians and should be banned from all urban areas.

What is Singh's and/or the NDP's official position on the age old debate of .45 vs 9mm?

Only professional writers should be able to use those sorts of high powered, military style assault puns, they have no legitimate use in the hands of civilians and should be banned from all urban areas.

Well in fairness, before firing those puns, I tried to pass a background cheque, but it came back NSF.

Hurtin Albertan wrote:

What is Singh's and/or the NDP's official position on the age old debate of .45 vs 9mm?

"Stopping the smuggling of illegal firearms and enable all municipalities, provinces, and territories to implement a ban on handguns."

As for Singh's policy? You'll have to ask him.

It's a shame that a self-styled democratic party can adopt policies in convention, duly voted on by member-elected delegates, in what the constitution defines as the supreme policy-making body of the entire party - and then a "leader" or a "caucus" can ignore or change that policy at will. That's another conversation. But it's connected.