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[QUOTE=I Rock Shaqs;24693994]They just need a veteran coach FFS! Get SVG or JVG and I'll be happy then trade Bargnani and whatever in the world else to get Paul Millsap as long as it isn't ED or DD.[/QUOTE]

I'm curious as to why you wouldn't trade these guys...standouts on a severly underperforming team doesn't make them stars...Personally I think that they would draw the best return in a trade of anyone on the team...

There was a comment about how bargs just looks disinterested and stands around launching shots. that to me says that he isn't incorporated into the offense....or if you take Bramica's thread about the Motion Offense...there is NO offense...which then backs up my claim that this is a COACHING ISSUE! lol

he isn't incorporated into the offense because if the ball gets to him it's almost always a shot attempt. that was fine when he was playing with a bunch of guys nobody wanted to see shooting anyways but now that's he's got a couple capable teammates it isn't so desirable. if he would just pass or rebound or do something else arggggggg

Originally Posted by nycericanguy

well unfortunately it looks like you were right about Bargs...

but hopefully we can use his expiring, if not at least we unloaded Novak's deal...

I think the truth is that Casey is struggling as much as the players right now. Could BC have picked up better talent? Sure. How, I'm not so sure. But the talent we have right now should be doing better than this.

I think the truth is that Casey is struggling as much as the players right now. Could BC have picked up better talent? Sure. How, I'm not so sure. But the talent we have right now should be doing better than this.

this is can agree with. it's spinning out of control right now. problem is who are the stabilizing influences in that locker room right now?

Originally Posted by nycericanguy

well unfortunately it looks like you were right about Bargs...

but hopefully we can use his expiring, if not at least we unloaded Novak's deal...

he isn't incorporated into the offense because if the ball gets to him it's almost always a shot attempt. that was fine when he was playing with a bunch of guys nobody wanted to see shooting anyways but now that's he's got a couple capable teammates it isn't so desirable. if he would just pass or rebound or do something else arggggggg

no...he's getting the ball and no one is moving. He has nothing to pass to most of the time because everyone is just standing there watching.

I don't know. I hope Bargs gets traded so everyone can stop crapping on the guy.

no...he's getting the ball and no one is moving. He has nothing to pass to most of the time because everyone is just standing there watching.

I don't know. I hope Bargs gets traded so everyone can stop crapping on the guy.

finally! some common ground

seriously though, if there were people moving without the ball, cutting to the basket that would be ideal. what i meant though is that if the ball ends up in his hands and he starts to make a move nothing is going to change his mind on shooting - nothing.

Last edited by Jamiecballer; 12-11-2012 at 11:55 PM.

Originally Posted by nycericanguy

well unfortunately it looks like you were right about Bargs...

but hopefully we can use his expiring, if not at least we unloaded Novak's deal...

Well ED because he's a boss just straight up. Demar because he's one of the very few players who actually want to play in Toronto and he wears the city on his chest when he goes out and plays and he really has embraced the city as well as Amir Johnson. Anyways it's good to keep players that get along well together on the team rather than the opposite i.e Andrea Bargnani and everybody else as well as Lowry and whoever else.

I liked that the article pointed out how frustrating Bargnani has been for everyone. People keep saying BS like, BC loves Bargnani, etc. Do they really realize how ****ing frustrating it would be to have put your faith in a player who doesn't deliver like that?