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Tracy: I'm moving along in your posting to mine it for more evidence to fine-tune my JFK analysis. I should say that the top publisher in the JFK area (who will remain nameless here) believes that Nelson Rockefeller was on of the top five involved in JFK. With John J McCloy being the recent president of Chase Manhattan, I don't think the Rockefellers are a stretch. Further, the founder and CEO of the Bilderberg Group, Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands was a former SS member. He was reportedly seen at an airshow in Argentina previewing test flights of the Nazi-designed Argentine "arrow" jet fighter in the 1950's. Hans-Ulrich Rudel who was a leader among the fugitive Nazis expressed jealousy because Prince Bernhard could travel freely around Latin America and have no fear of arrest because of his social position, even though he was a former SS officer. Prince Bernhard was very likely regularly conspiring with the worldwide Nazi network both in South America and in Germany itself.

As for international banker Clarence Dillon of Dillon, Read, he had a winter home less than a mile from the infamous Tryall Compound at Montego Bay in Jamaica. That was allegedly where Sir William Stephenson (according to some) met to hatch some of the JFK plotting. The British Royals and Winston Churchill were also Tryall owners. Of course, Dillon was the father of C. Douglas Dillon who controlled both the ATF and the Secret Service on 11-22-63. Clarence Dillon had many more fascist connections than I have space to list here.

So the Rockefellers, Dillon Read and the Bilderbergs were not just remote bureaucrats at the top of some anonymous bureaucracy. As I see it, all three of these international conspiratorial types had a hands-on role in everything from 9-11 to Watergate to the Iran Hostage crisis under Jimmy Carter as well as the JFK assassination. I would sooner believe that LBJ or J. Edgar Hoover was in the dark about the assassination, than believe the same about the Bilderbergs, the Council on Foreign Relations or Clarence Dillon and his many partners at Dillon Read like Paul Nitze, William Draper and his son C Douglas Dillon.

I will be posting more once I finish your detailed JFK analysis. Thanks.

James Lateer

I have found myself enjoying reading more than posting since my diagnosis slightly worsens with each passing day. There are so many intelligent insightful aspects and opinions into the assassination, but I must ask James after quoting him;

"So the Rockefellers, Dillon Read and the Bilderbergs were not just remote bureaucrats at the top of some anonymous bureaucracy. As I see it, all three of these international conspiratorial types had a hands-on role in everything from 9-11 to Watergate..."

Now, I'm certainly the last to know anything, which means I know less of something, or more of nothing, so, my question to you James is, can you name one single person from the Rockafellas or Bilderberg's involved in Watergate and their role? Thanks, I'm new to all this.

Rockefellers, Bilderberg, CFR and Watergate

As a response to Scott and his question about Watergate, I can only respond as follows:

I have a list of the top three books on Watergate on my desk which I intend to get to including Secret Agenda by Jim Hougan which is probably going to be the best one. But as to the Bilderbergs, CFR and Watergate, I can only just do an analysis off of the top of my head, which would be:

(1) Since the days of Herbert Hoover, there has never been a Republican President elected without either Richard Nixon or a Bush family member being on the ballot (except for Donald Trump who is now at war with the National Security State). Apparently, Nixon was the "mole" or "fixer" for the National Security State within the White House as were the Bush family members. It was apparently in 1973 (with Watergate) which represented the National Security State "changing horses" from Nixon to the Bush family. G H W Bush became CIA director in 1976, but he had been in politics ever since he ran for the Senate in 1964. In 2016, the National Security State wanted either Jeb Bush or Ted Cruz who apparently had worked for the CIA and was closely affiliated with the Bush family.

(2) When I state that these groups were "involved" in Watergate, that doesn't mean that they acted to depose Nixon, no more than my saying they were involved in the JFK assassination means that they hired the killers or fired the shots. Their being involved may sometimes mean that they are on the LOSING side as well as being on the WINNING side. They still are heavily involved and are part of the causation.

(3) Try a Google search on "most famous Bilderberg members". Gerald Ford is listed in the top five. Richard Nixon is not listed at all.

(4) Henry Kissinger was the "whole show" in Nixon's Vietnam policy and his foreign policy which includes the opening to China. Kissinger was apparently a creature of the Rockefellers, having been financially sponsored by the Rockefellers dating back to the 1950's. (google "Kissinger and Rockefeller").

(5) As you probably know, four of the Watergate "burglars" were "retired" CIA agents. The public now knows the truism "once CIA, always CIA." For the Watergate break-in, E Howard Hunt (the head burgler) went to the CIA forgery department to have the fake documents necessary for the break-in. Not having read heavily about Watergate, I can see from the involvment of the CIA burglars that it was an organized "frame-up" of Nixon and a scheme to replace Nixon with Gerald Ford and Rocky as VP. And that's not even to mention the role of "deep throat", and FBI official whose identity was cover-up for decades and who later did time in prison for other offenses.

(6) As a result of Watergate, NELSON ROCKEFELLER BECAME THE APPOINTED VICE-PRESIDENT. You can't imagine more consequential item of circumstantial evidence of Rockefeller involvement than that!

(7) David Rockefeller was appointed a director of the Council on Foreign Relations back in 1949. People like the Rockefellers obviously dominated that organization, the same as the Bilderberg group and the Trilateral Commission which they founded.

(8) In his book about the Bilderberg group, Daniel Estulin claims that the Bilderbergs were the people who invented the "opening to China" carried out by Richard Nixon. I'm not personally sure of that, but if true, it shows how involved these groups are in forming US foreign policy under Nixon and throughout that whole era.

(9) Nixon was not only carrying out the "opening to China", but he was negotiating the US withdrawal from Vietnam. Both of these activities were political dynamite to the anti-Communist elements in the US. Famously, Barry Goldwater was the man who went to the White House to tell Nixon that "the game is up." Goldwater probably didn't like either the opening to Chairman Mao or the surrender in Vietnam. So Nixon had forfeited the support of the right-wing. Apparently, the National Security State (basically right-wing) switched horses from Nixon to Gerald Ford and George HW Bush with the Watergate impeachment. By 1976, GHW Bush was CIA director and by 1981 he was VP under the mentally-impaired actor Ronald Reagan.

Ironically, the involvement of the Rockefellers was often controversial because THEY WERE AGNOSTIC ON COMMUNISM. They got in trouble with both the Left Wing who opposed the CIA under J. William Fulbright and Senator Frank Church. And they also got into trouble with extreme right-wing elements like Senator James O Eastland who investigated the Rockefeller-oriented Institute of Pacific Relations as being a Communist front.

As for the involvement of the Dillon, Read clique at the time of Watergate, the Dillon, Read partner who lasted from 1945 up to 1987 was Paul Nitze. I can't say he was specifically involved with Watergate, but he was heavily involved in both the Kennedy administration and in the Reagan administration. One can only suppose he was active in Washington behind the scene, although the Dillon, Read organization petered out in their influence during the 1960's and 1970's.

What is generally overlooked in contemporary US history is the fact that the President can come under terrific pressure by those who would threaten to kill him so as to replace him with a better guy who might be the Vice-President at the moment.

LBJ was under implicit threat from FASCISTS who would rather have seen Speaker of the House John W. McCormack in the White House. Gerald Ford was actually threatened by TWO walk-up shooters who could have made Nelson Rockefeller President. This could have been a Secret Service "failure". As a result, Ford took to wearing a bullet-proof vest.

Reagan was, of course, gravely wounded by a walk-up shooter John Hinckley who apparently had a close connection to Neil Bush though his family. This would have been a sword over the head of President Reagan, but Reagan probably was not aware of it. He was apparently not aware of much since he had either brain damage from his wounding by Hinckley or a horrendous case of Alzheimers. As a result of this condition, Reagan apparently didn't even know on which planet he was living, let alone know about the intricate workings of his foreign policy team.

But the plan is the same. Currently under Trump, the FBI Counter-intelligence is trying to frame him up. They likely have a plan. Mike Pence is probably not smart enough to meet their needs so they might well have a scheme to put Jeb Bush or Ted Cruz in the White House though a double frame-up like they conveniently did to NIXON-AGNEW in 1974.

Beyond this, I can't give you more specifics, Scott, but the above is what I feel is a natural National Security State analysis of contemporary American history though the eyes of a "conspiracy theorist." (By the way, I'm also new at this, having started my research on the 50th anniversary of the JFK assassination, 11-22-13).

As a response to Scott and his question about Watergate, I can only respond as follows:

I have a list of the top three books on Watergate on my desk which I intend to get to including Secret Agenda by Jim Hougan which is probably going to be the best one. But as to the Bilderbergs, CFR and Watergate, I can only just do an analysis off of the top of my head, which would be:

(1) Since the days of Herbert Hoover, there has never been a Republican President elected without either Richard Nixon or a Bush family member being on the ballot (except for Donald Trump who is now at war with the National Security State). Apparently, Nixon was the "mole" or "fixer" for the National Security State within the White House as were the Bush family members. It was apparently in 1973 (with Watergate) which represented the National Security State "changing horses" from Nixon to the Bush family. G H W Bush became CIA director in 1976, but he had been in politics ever since he ran for the Senate in 1964. In 2016, the National Security State wanted either Jeb Bush or Ted Cruz who apparently had worked for the CIA and was closely affiliated with the Bush family.

(2) When I state that these groups were "involved" in Watergate, that doesn't mean that they acted to depose Nixon, no more than my saying they were involved in the JFK assassination means that they hired the killers or fired the shots. Their being involved may sometimes mean that they are on the LOSING side as well as being on the WINNING side. They still are heavily involved and are part of the causation.

(3) Try a Google search on "most famous Bilderberg members". Gerald Ford is listed in the top five. Richard Nixon is not listed at all.

(4) Henry Kissinger was the "whole show" in Nixon's Vietnam policy and his foreign policy which includes the opening to China. Kissinger was apparently a creature of the Rockefellers, having been financially sponsored by the Rockefellers dating back to the 1950's. (google "Kissinger and Rockefeller").

(5) As you probably know, four of the Watergate "burglars" were "retired" CIA agents. The public now knows the truism "once CIA, always CIA." For the Watergate break-in, E Howard Hunt (the head burgler) went to the CIA forgery department to have the fake documents necessary for the break-in. Not having read heavily about Watergate, I can see from the involvment of the CIA burglars that it was an organized "frame-up" of Nixon and a scheme to replace Nixon with Gerald Ford and Rocky as VP. And that's not even to mention the role of "deep throat", and FBI official whose identity was cover-up for decades and who later did time in prison for other offenses.

(6) As a result of Watergate, NELSON ROCKEFELLER BECAME THE APPOINTED VICE-PRESIDENT. You can't imagine more consequential item of circumstantial evidence of Rockefeller involvement than that!

(7) David Rockefeller was appointed a director of the Council on Foreign Relations back in 1949. People like the Rockefellers obviously dominated that organization, the same as the Bilderberg group and the Trilateral Commission which they founded.

(8) In his book about the Bilderberg group, Daniel Estulin claims that the Bilderbergs were the people who invented the "opening to China" carried out by Richard Nixon. I'm not personally sure of that, but if true, it shows how involved these groups are in forming US foreign policy under Nixon and throughout that whole era.

(9) Nixon was not only carrying out the "opening to China", but he was negotiating the US withdrawal from Vietnam. Both of these activities were political dynamite to the anti-Communist elements in the US. Famously, Barry Goldwater was the man who went to the White House to tell Nixon that "the game is up." Goldwater probably didn't like either the opening to Chairman Mao or the surrender in Vietnam. So Nixon had forfeited the support of the right-wing. Apparently, the National Security State (basically right-wing) switched horses from Nixon to Gerald Ford and George HW Bush with the Watergate impeachment. By 1976, GHW Bush was CIA director and by 1981 he was VP under the mentally-impaired actor Ronald Reagan.

Ironically, the involvement of the Rockefellers was often controversial because THEY WERE AGNOSTIC ON COMMUNISM. They got in trouble with both the Left Wing who opposed the CIA under J. William Fulbright and Senator Frank Church. And they also got into trouble with extreme right-wing elements like Senator James O Eastland who investigated the Rockefeller-oriented Institute of Pacific Relations as being a Communist front.

As for the involvement of the Dillon, Read clique at the time of Watergate, the Dillon, Read partner who lasted from 1945 up to 1987 was Paul Nitze. I can't say he was specifically involved with Watergate, but he was heavily involved in both the Kennedy administration and in the Reagan administration. One can only suppose he was active in Washington behind the scene, although the Dillon, Read organization petered out in their influence during the 1960's and 1970's.

What is generally overlooked in contemporary US history is the fact that the President can come under terrific pressure by those who would threaten to kill him so as to replace him with a better guy who might be the Vice-President at the moment.

LBJ was under implicit threat from FASCISTS who would rather have seen Speaker of the House John W. McCormack in the White House. Gerald Ford was actually threatened by TWO walk-up shooters who could have made Nelson Rockefeller President. This could have been a Secret Service "failure". As a result, Ford took to wearing a bullet-proof vest.

Reagan was, of course, gravely wounded by a walk-up shooter John Hinckley who apparently had a close connection to Neil Bush though his family. This would have been a sword over the head of President Reagan, but Reagan probably was not aware of it. He was apparently not aware of much since he had either brain damage from his wounding by Hinckley or a horrendous case of Alzheimers. As a result of this condition, Reagan apparently didn't even know on which planet he was living, let alone know about the intricate workings of his foreign policy team.

But the plan is the same. Currently under Trump, the FBI Counter-intelligence is trying to frame him up. They likely have a plan. Mike Pence is probably not smart enough to meet their needs so they might well have a scheme to put Jeb Bush or Ted Cruz in the White House though a double frame-up like they conveniently did to NIXON-AGNEW in 1974.

Beyond this, I can't give you more specifics, Scott, but the above is what I feel is a natural National Security State analysis of contemporary American history though the eyes of a "conspiracy theorist." (By the way, I'm also new at this, having started my research on the 50th anniversary of the JFK assassination, 11-22-13).

James Lateer

That is really a great hypothesis, however, I would argue that WATERGATE aka, the "Big Project" did have six, that's (6) burglars, and EVERYONE heard or knew that, Jim H. Book is really good, on point, but Jim had the wrong sixth burglar and theory. When I asked him how he knew who the sixth burglar was his response to me was, "the security guard told me so," well, crap Batman, I should have known better, I'm willing to bet my life that if you asked Jim NOW what he thinks about Watergate and who the sixth burglar was, I bet he'd say he now has a change of heart, also, if he could, he'd rewrite his book to name the right person, but hey, don't take my word for it, ask him yourself, if he argues he's right about his first assumption, than.... I don't know what to say!

I quickly read what you wrote, and I'm not going to correct everything off my smartphone which would take forever typing. But, line number 8, that was Nixon who took the advise of Kissinger, and that's why he too was targeted for assassination, because our government was starting to align themselves with Communism.

I said it before and I'll say it again, Nixon had not known anything about Watergate until Hunt weaseled his way into the White House and started bribing Nixon, Nixon really had no choice but to pay what little bribe the burglars wanted to keep their mouths shut, so.... Nixon paid out 365,000 dollars, it wasnt enough because those dumb asses did get greedy, instead of using the money to infiltrate Cuba.

So, Nixon stopped paying!

In other words, that money was suppose to be used to FREE Cuba, but that is not where the money was used for now was it?

Oh, and I forgot to add that when Nixon stopped paying, that was when they all decided to take Nixon out of office.... Do you understand that part?

Nixon was set up, Watergate was an umbrella project too many other smaller infiltrations. The burglars were trying to setup other senators and Democratic politicians to dig up dirt on them, to bribe them for money like Ted Kennedy but they screwed up! Nixon wasn't the only one there's a lot more to Watergate than what most people even Jim H. know.

Well if Nixon was set up why did he resign why were they going forward with an impeachment that's easy because Nixon had already paid out money how could he deny that it's even on tape that makes him liable not that he was a part of Watergate but he under ignorance got himself involved in Watergate that's making it much easier for the burglars for Nixon to resign as president then to shoot him out of office.

As for Ford he wasn't always an honest man, he was LBJ's ass kisser, but at least he admitted moving the Bullet Hole at the back of JFK so it would have lined up with Arlen Specter's single bullshit theory. Ford could never find any hard evidence of Nixon's involvement in Watergate.