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00:01:27 hmmm.. that doesn't seem to work
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00:10:18 hi WarWeasle .
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00:10:24 HELLO!
00:10:27 :)
00:10:30 How are you?
00:10:30 i should join #lispgames
00:10:37 WarWeasle: o
00:10:43 you arn't a founding member?
00:10:45 i'm good, taking a hack break
00:11:02 Cool. I'm trying to figure out how to and cffi enums
00:11:15 (Making ASSIMP bindings)
00:11:23 when i dont want to be disturbed in deep hack, i close pidgin and just hook one erc process into #blocky
00:11:32 so that i can at least get dev pings
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00:11:34 from people
00:11:46 http://assimp.sourceforge.net/
00:11:46 WarWeasle: anding cffi enums sounds funffi
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00:12:41 oh yes ive seen this.
00:12:54 WarWeasle: get their integer values, logior them
00:14:18 stassats: I thought of that but it seems wrong...
00:14:57 I have to go afk for a moment...back later.
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00:20:08 WarWeasle: who named assimp
00:20:13 Germans
00:20:19 ah.
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00:37:30 hello all. anyone know how to break out of a format loop? I just want to print the first element of a list and ignore the rest
00:37:58 ~1{
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00:38:53 stassats: thanks, been looking everywhere for the answer
00:39:09 have you tried reading CLHS?
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00:52:04 one does not just read CLHS
00:52:10 simply
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00:53:42 Why does clhs.lisp.se exist? To be an easy to remember URL? l1sp.org/cl is also easy to remember
00:54:12 why do you ask so much questions?
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01:10:30 fail: java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: PermGen space at java.lang.ClassLoader.defineClass1(Native Method)
01:10:51 hmm... how do I give ABCL more memory
01:10:53 ?
01:11:25 google java set heap size
01:12:24 yeah yeah
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01:37:45 at least when these java processes crap out they stick around spinning and chewing up lots of CPU
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01:47:18 Hello
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01:48:56 slyrus: there's also the problem that code in java can't be unloaded
01:49:09 nor GCed
01:49:45 How much does being on the JVM hurt Clojure as a language?
01:49:52 It means no built-in TCO, but anything else?
01:50:14 Maybe I should ask in #clojure
01:50:27 you should
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01:50:54 Sgeo_: many things
01:52:31 Are you still here?
01:52:42 yes
01:54:18 Cosman246, yes?
01:54:55 Here: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=42
01:55:06 My main objections are there
01:55:13 (I didn't write the thing, though)
01:57:36 http://jng.imagine27.com/articles/2009-08-19-011225_clojure_the_false_lisp.html
01:58:21 Forget clojure, just start a useful project and write some code
01:58:41 Or write your own toy lisp (or spec if you're like me)
01:58:50 (IOR, not XOR)
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01:59:45 Coming from Haskell, I kind of like enforced immutability.
02:00:22 I feel it's a straitjacket
02:00:50 Support, don't lock
02:01:32 -!- lebro is now known as seanstickleses
02:01:53 while you dicking around with haskell, another 5 "taught himself php in 20 days" coders will write a useful web forum or whatever. Yes it will be non-functional, full of holes, and sql inejections, but it will be there working, while you still designing your type system
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02:10:28 maxm-: i doubt you've done any code in haskell
02:10:46 madnificent: you are correct, and I have no desire to do so
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02:11:44 maxm-: that's fair. but your remark about the time it takes to write the type system is misplaced.
02:12:08 once haskell guys start producing useful software, I'll change my mind, so far they produced darcs and the window manager thing (forgot the name). I had tried one of these, and it sucked so bad it was not even funny
02:12:23 xmonad is pretty cool
02:12:26 judge things by its results not its content
02:12:40 (the window manager thing)
02:12:45 I assume you tried darcs, which is maligned by several Haskell obsessives I know.
02:12:48 maxm-: that window manager is xmonad. don't judge a language on what's written in it, judge it on its potential. the same goes for lisp.
02:12:55
02:12:57 I've heard good things about xmonad.
02:13:04 Haven't tried it myself though.
02:13:14 soooo, back to lisp, it's #lisp :)
02:13:28 is it true i can reanimate corpses with lisp??
02:13:37 *maxm-* also heard good things about xmonad, but stump is just good/hackable enough for me so I don't see payoff in learning haskell to just try it
02:13:46 hi, can i make a non lisp related question?
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02:14:31 every repository when I was using darcs eventually hit exponential merge explosion that could not be recovered from
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02:14:47 hi
02:15:00 Published quite a few libraries this weekend.
02:15:09 I wonder which versions will make it to Quicklisp.
02:15:33 as the APIs have fluctuated somewhat.
02:15:56 Fare: the quicklisp release has been postponed, so you may get more in than expected :)
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02:16:42 lebro: indeed you can!
02:17:00 scav_vector in gc-common ?
02:17:15 just use (necromance :zombie nil...)
02:17:30 unhandled dwarf expression opcode 0xf3
02:17:33 haha
02:17:54 line 1778
02:17:59 lol
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02:18:57 scan_weak_pointers .....
02:18:57 I think SBCL sets zombie to nil internally
02:19:08 probably because of all the invasions
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02:21:01 very wise
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02:25:04 low_level_handle_now_handler (signal=11, info=0x7ffff72b7db0, void_context=0x7ffff72b7c80) at interrupt.c:1727 uhh
02:25:08 A syntax error in expression, near `$pc+24'.
02:25:44 and now i'm in ldb, gc-signals blocked....
02:25:47 bleh
02:25:52 i have this fuction that allows me to interpolate between 2 values
02:26:09 how can i extend it in order to interpolate 3 or 4 values?
02:26:15 can i post a 2 line code?
02:26:38 OK. I'll try to publish a full example with package-renaming, then...
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02:27:01 vortixo: paste.lisp.org
02:27:48 *maxm-* has lame emacs iface that pastes active region at http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/newpaste.el
02:28:01 Seems to work for me
02:28:37 ok
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02:29:55 vortixo: the channel posting feature of paste.lisp.org is broken. do not select a channel there, but paste the url manually
02:32:40 ok
02:32:42 here it is
02:32:44 http://paste.lisp.org/+2QVO.
02:33:10 vortixo: you are in the wrong channel. #lisp is about lisp.
02:33:39 lmao
02:34:05 probably asked on #haskell and they trolled him to come here
02:34:12 where can i ask this? is more a general question
02:34:12 not a about a specific language but more about the algorithm
02:34:33 vortixo: your ta? a textbook on algorithms?
02:35:08 vortixo: maybe you can reformulate your sample code in lisp so that we can discuss it here?
02:35:38 it seems to be a new fashion to come to #lisp in order to solve "general programming questions".
02:36:27 dont you understand the code?
02:36:31 i think its pretty clear
02:36:37 vortixo: no.
02:36:46 I don't recognize that language
02:36:55 and i got an internal X failure RenderBadPicture invalid picture parameter....
02:37:02 vortixo, what language is that?
02:37:07 vortixo: also, i'm not interested in "general programming questions" really. i am hear to discuss lisp.
02:37:16 perhaps its his own dsl in lisp
02:37:18 here
02:37:23 lebro: right.
02:37:31 | in1, in2, frac | is the argument of the function
02:37:37 I was thinking Smalltalk because of the | | but it's not.
02:37:37 vortixo: please.
02:37:44 vortixo, what language is that in?
02:37:48 Or is it pseudocode?
02:38:04 what might cause cl-fad:list-directory to return nil when the dir is not empty?
02:38:20 in1 =in1; I can imagine a bizarre language where this may be useful, but if so, this isn't pseudocode
02:38:32 it is small talk
02:39:00 vortixo: and why don't you go to a smalltalk support forum with your smalltalk programming question?
02:39:04 f.value makes little to no sense in Smalltalk
02:39:23 dammit. I just realize that to locally rename packages, you need a hook not just around compile, but also around load.
02:39:24 Sigh.
02:39:33 Same with = in that context.
02:39:48 And that's not comment syntax.
02:40:06 Grrrr....
02:40:33 vortixo, if you go to a Smalltalk channel, let me know? I want to be there too.
02:40:37 Lets see ... (defun interpolate (a b frac) (+ a (* frac (- b a))))
02:40:42 that about right?
02:40:49 Grrrr again.
02:41:00 Is it Ruby?
02:41:04 Should I have two hooks, one for around-compile, the other for around-load
02:41:08 or only one hook?
02:41:20 or three hooks, one for both, and one for either?
02:41:23 I forgot if |a, b, c| means anything in Ruby
02:41:26 Oh, actually
02:41:36 It does
02:41:48 Sgeo_: it specifies block arguments
02:41:50 Yeah, I think it's Ruby
02:42:11 also, I don't think so. Ruby doesn't terminate lines with ;s
02:42:45 Inaimathi, apparently they're allowed
02:42:53 "Ruby allows the use of the semi-colon as a statement separator. This means you can place one at the end of a line and also use it as a way to put multiple statements on a single line. Don't do this. A semi-colon at the end of the line is superfluous and placing multiple statements on one line decreases the legibility of your code."
02:42:57 http://www.caliban.org/ruby/rubyguide.shtml#semicolon
02:43:16 vortixo is in #ruby right now.
02:43:36 Fare have you thought about custom reader instead, thoght somenone here already has one?
02:43:46 Well yeah, but I'd only expect them in one liners (and ending a {}-wrapped block with one is just asinine IMO)
02:43:57 Fare: then you can really do any magic you like, including late binding conflict resolution
02:44:01 yes that Inaimathi
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02:44:05 but how can you extend it for using with 3 values instead of 2?
02:44:10 interpolating between 3 values?
02:44:13 &rest ?
02:44:59 it is smalltalk!
02:45:42 no bro thats php
02:46:05 Someone in another channel: "it's almost-valid Ruby (needs a "proc" or "lambda" before the {); I think there's also a embedded scripting language that nicks the lambda syntax from Ruby in which it might be fully valid"
02:46:14 vortixo: can you explain why you want to extend the function for three instead of two values?
02:47:17 vortixo: what H4ns said. What would you want the output of an N number set to be? Just the mean weighed by `frac`?
02:47:18 vortixo, where did that code come from?
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02:47:29 because i want to interpolate between a lot of numbers not just 2 options
02:47:45 i need to have something like this:
02:47:48 (2, 5, 2, 0.5) -----> gives 5
02:48:00 because the index goes from 0 to 1 always and 0.5 is the half of (2, 5, 2) so it is 5
02:48:02 vortixo: but why? what does your program do, in the end?
02:48:20 they are just experiments
02:48:20 vortixo, what program do you use to run your code?
02:48:33 maxm-: I have custom reader with reader-interception.
02:48:33 nothing really useful as a traditional programmer
02:48:37 That works great.
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02:48:49 See my reader-interception package.
02:48:56 i use small talk
02:48:56 but it doens mind the sintaxis
02:48:57 vortixo, and did you write that code, or copy it from somewhere?
02:49:00 it a problem of the algorithm
02:49:12 how to implement the algorithm , sintaxis doesnt mind
02:49:21 Fare: so why do you need to hook load, would not packages be already translated by the reader?
02:49:24 but then, I haven't written a reimplementation of the CL reader to tweak packages.
02:49:29 it is my school homework
02:49:36 ah, the sintaxis
02:49:39 vortixo: no, really!
02:49:52 the hack I was thinking of was renaming the packages while compiling
02:49:57 vortixo: and you come to #lisp to get help for your smalltalk homework, eh?
02:50:04 vortixo: hire a brighter kid to do it for you, sheesh. nerds need work
02:50:09 but then the fasl contains the renamed packages and won't load unless you also rename while loading.
02:50:26 H4ns, it makes little to no sense as Smalltalk.
02:51:12 Maybe I should open Pharo
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02:51:54 ok guys
02:52:04 forget about my question and answer this:
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02:52:18 how can i extend this function in order to use 3 values instead of one?
02:52:23 (defun interpolate (a b frac) (+ a (* frac (- b a))))
02:52:43 vortixo: 1) get a lisp book
02:52:46 vortixo: 2) read
02:52:59 Fare: oh I have not thought of that, I thought you doing it like "existing package foo, but make source refer to it as :bar" kind of like adding a nickname, but you doing the opposite
02:53:02 vortixo: 3) change function to accept more arguments.
02:53:05 vortixo: done.
02:53:08 vortixo, where did you get the program to run your code?
02:53:11 vortixo: what exactly do you want to do with it?
02:53:15 Fare: maybe hook find-package instead?
02:53:18 Cosman246: it is homework
02:53:27 Using &rest might help
02:53:30 H4ns: ah
02:53:30 altho its probably not guaranteed implementation use that instead of their own interface
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02:55:22 Fare: just out of curiosity what is the use-case for it, not by any chance to have a debug and optimized version of same package? Coz I have a different direction hack on that
02:55:47 which changes asdf .fasl stores location, to include compilation policy setting
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02:58:47 Hooking find-package is not portable.
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02:59:28 and/or would have to come with plenty of implementation-dependent package-lock averting code.
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03:00:12 Whether the implementation's reader calls find-package is not guaranteed either and might or might not work in practice.
03:00:43 vortixo, I think you should ask #ruby
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03:02:12 vortixo, do you use lisp?
03:02:23 if I only allow for nicknames, not renaming, the thing might work
03:02:41 as long as you don't clash with existing packages
03:03:45 forget it
03:04:27 No, please, stay!
03:04:32 We're just a bit confused
03:05:06 vortixo, you're looking for the d sharp minor mixolydian algorithm
03:05:21 :O
03:05:33 Some of us don't suffer newcomers very well
03:05:48 shark milon mixolydoid algorithm?
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03:06:27 have u tried the frufru whoopbang martini algorithm??
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03:15:10 here is the complete code
03:15:15 but only for hardcore people
03:15:32 http://paste.lisp.org/+2QVP
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03:17:12 only hardcore brains can understand that
03:18:45 Ask on the channel for whatever language this is written in? you don't go to a hockey club asking for soccer tips.
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03:19:24 maxm-, I don't think anyone entirely knows what language this is written in
03:19:35 maxm-: But I think you can ask any of them for exercising tips
03:19:51 It's almost-Ruby
03:19:58 Except vortixo thinks its Smalltalk.
03:20:01 it is a programming language called supercollider
03:20:09 it is based on smalltalk
03:20:10 ...Thank you, you could have told us this sooner.
03:20:58 A language being based off another does not mean the syntax will be the same, or that people from the ancestor language will be able to understand your code.
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03:21:17 "Based on" is NOT "same as"
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03:22:28 ok
03:22:43 There is in fact a supercollider channel
03:22:46 #supercollider
03:22:59 yes im there
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04:11:42 I finally worked out how to write a function I want to write.
04:11:50 (Just to see that I can, no real use)
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04:18:10 http://paste.lisp.org/display/128150
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04:21:10 Are there better ways to write that?
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04:22:08 I'm getting sbcl compile errors when trying to compile stumpwm.
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04:23:04 I don't know how to understand the compile error.
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