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Let's say it straight , Kyousuke will never be with anyone of those girls except Manami
Why? Simply , he's not interested and EP 6 already said it all.

Let's just hope that the show won't end on incest ending... (at least for me...)
The coincidence with the eroge increased the possible incest ending though..

Take this from a LN reader: don't take what each character says at face value, Kyosuke included. Kyosuke is the narrator in the novels but it is obvious that he does not interpret things about others or even himself correctly. His role is much diminished in the anime but when characters say 'I hate xx' or 'This is what I always wanted', do question it!

The same can be applied to Kuroneko and Kirino. This show is all about read between the lines, pretty common in Asian cultures, less so in Western literature.

Well, she's also perfectly friendly and polite to her anti-otaku classmate at the start of the second episode, she's pleasant and giddy when talking to her friend over the phone during the first, and she remains civil to Ayase during their fight in episode five even though her response to finding out Kirino's an otaku is pretty harsh. Hopefully we'll see her interact with some others throughout the last few episodes; my gut feeling is that in general she's probably a pleasant enough person and there needs to be some specific reason to change that, but I'm not going to contest the point because there's not enough material to work with right now to argue either way.

I agree that we can't make a determination about Kirino's "true" nature at this point. My opinion on the matter is that the examples you cited are situations where Kirino cares more about her image than she does about expressing her true feelings and therefore she acts more normal around people who don't yet know about her hobby. I could be wrong though. I just don't get why anybody would "act" nasty when that's not actually how you feel. There are exceptions like the scene where Ayase "catches" Kirino at the comic convention and she denies knowing Saori and Kuroneko but even then it represents an unpleasant level of selfishness.

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Kirino is still a tsundere, albeit an extremely tsun one. The broadest explanation for tsundere is that their speech belies their true feeling. And Kirino qualifies that, while it not as easy to spot, you can still find hints that Kirino's action and speech is not inductive of what she feel. And while I don't love her character, not in LN and even less in anime, I still finds her to be cute at certain scene and that''s enough for me to not dislike her and apparently for the author, that's enough for Kyosuke as well.

I'm not going to use the LN because that's too easy (and against spoiler rule), but for example, in episode 4 when Kanako and Ayase visits Kirino's room and Kyosuke was next door. Kirino began to rant and degrading Kyosuke only after Ayase complimented him, but after Kanako starts to degrading Kyosuke as well, note that Kirino suddenly shuts up and didn't talk. Those are little hints that Kirino doesn't hat Kyosuke as much as she claims to be (or she believe herself to be). There an Chinese saying love and hate is only separates by a line and there are plenty of anime that shows that.

There's an argument to be made for that stance. I'm not sure what I really believe at this point but for the sake of argument let's say that instead of those actions representing Kirino's true affection for Kyouske they instead represents how she thinks she should feel. She thinks that sisters should love their brothers but for whatever reason whether it's selfishness or some event in the past, she just doesn't feel that affection for Kyouske. I guess the end result would be the same whether she wants to like him but doesn't yet or whether she likes him but isn't ready to admit it.

I'd argue against her sweet side being the default. The way I see it is she's only sweet to people whom she either wants something from or can't get away with being mean to. She ranges from indifferent to cold towards Saori and she's openly hostile towards Kuroneko and Kyouske. Who else do we really see her interact with? Her parents? Teachers? The only times we ever see her act sweet is when she's dealing with somebody in a position of power or she wants something. I'm inclined to believe her sweet act is just that, an act.

Now, that isn't to say I think the writer isn't allowed to create a character that is 100% tsun and no dere who acts sweet but is secretly completely self-centered. That's a legitimate character type. The issue I have is twofold. First, the idea that such a character should be sympathetic baffles me. If the author wants us to dislike Kirino at this point then mission accomplished but I was under the impression based on the title and premise that we're supposed to want Kyouske and Kirino to grow closer together and I personally have no desire for anything like that. If this was a VN I'd be rushing to the Manami route and never looking back.

Secondly, I question people's characterization of Kirino as tsundere. I feel like we're working under the assumption that any eligible female character is presumed to have a soft spot for the protagonist unless proven otherwise. I don't see any sign of Kirino having a dere side towards Kyouske other than the assumption that a sister should love her brother and the fact that she's neck deep (or i guess based on the first episode over her head) in siscon games. I don't buy it at this point. Maybe I'm biased because I don't like tsunderes and rarely find the payoff worth it. But nothing is worth the level of abuse Kyouske takes from Kirino.

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That's the impression I had too.

Which is partly why I expected Kirino to become nicer/less abusive over time.

But if she doesn't change, I also have no desire for Kyousuke and Kirino to grow closer together. Why would I want to wish such a thing on a decent guy like Kyousuke? He's done nothing to deserve a long-term abusive relationship like that.

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I can understand that perspective, and I agree with it to a degree. In this case, it is her insecurity about how the world perceives her based on her 2D game experience, which she does not want to duplicate in real life. She is afraid that any brotherly/sisterly bond would be perceived as unhealthy based on the Japanese culture and view of siscon games. Which then leads to what you mention about how she does not know how real normal platonic sibling relationships are like.

In effect, she reflects more of her real life circumstances with her only experience, which are the games she play.

Although I understand her better, thank you, it still does not excuse her behavior towards her brother. In retrospect, these are all selfish behaviors on her part to feel secure, but it only adds more to her frustrations inside.

I also agree with you that she does not want to give up control. But then, our opinions differ from there. I perceive her as not want to give up control to the one who has been below her all her life. She does not want to admit that he is better than she is in some areas. It pains her to actually have to ask him for help, hence in the last episode, she declared that there will only be one more life lesson left. She felt she does not need him, and annoyed that he is actually useful.

Well, that is my opinion, as well.

Actually, I see another flaw in her that I did not think about before. She is a fake in the way she acts friendly towards everyone else. She has to put up a front in order to fit in and pretend to be the perfect model student. She is upset at Kyosuke and worried about him spilling the beans because he knows her true self. Also, she acts the most like her true self when she is with Kuroneko and does not need to put up an act.

There are ways to be truly friendly and also gain respect, like what Kyosuke does. Her way of doing things actually will make her truly lonely one day if she does not change her ways (from what I have seen in real life).

@ all above - You all have very interesting opinions on Kirino. IMHO, I believe... eerrrr..... maybe i mostly FEEL that she is so much like Ami Kawashim, but with the reverse double essences of the "True self" and the "True Fake" . My question is which is which? Mostly I FEEL that she just a FAKE with the ones she truly loves, but the TRUE with the rest of the world. Look at last episode one how she reacted after the meeting. Com-on! She is truly insecure as her TRUE self, and in this one a FAKE with others.

Then again Saori, and Kuroneko, have double lives as well. Saori... very interesting... Kuroneko... she got me hook on the show now. Look at Kyosuke, he seems the one that does not have a double life, but then again... look how his parents, and Ayase perceived him atm. And, look at how he behaves with Manami's house... so different from his own.

It's seems that everyone has a double life, one way or another, like it or not, I'm falling in love with the show Well, if i ever met a man as kind as Kyosuke, I would never be a bitch to him lol .....
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unless he breaks my heart or trust, i will break his B@lls...

Dear God this was hilarious. People were actually complaining about Kirino being 100% tsun and not enough dere and what did we get? What unbelievable trolls these guys are. Kuroneko's story was also really great with lots of sutblety and Saori actually turning out to be filthy rich was freaking awesome.

Actually, I see another flaw in her that I did not think about before. She is a fake in the way she acts friendly towards everyone else. She has to put up a front in order to fit in and pretend to be the perfect model student. She is upset at Kyosuke and worried about him spilling the beans because he knows her true self. Also, she acts the most like her true self when she is with Kuroneko and does not need to put up an act.

There are ways to be truly friendly and also gain respect, like what Kyosuke does. Her way of doing things actually will make her truly lonely one day if she does not change her ways (from what I have seen in real life).

Looking on the comments, I have a theory on how I perceive Kirino. First, I kinda agree with your theory here, although not as severe. That is, rather than being a model student who happens to be an anime/imoutoge fan as well, she's primarily a fan with a model student cover. The main reason is well, she knows if she admits as an otaku she'll be looked down upon, and what's more the job etc helps her buys the lifestyle and get parents off her back to avoid suspicion. She drops her jerkass behavior because she knows that that's not how a model student should act. Maybe she does like studying/work/athletic stuff too so the cover isn't a complete lie, but it's still hiding something as it's nowhere near the passion she has for her hobbies.

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4. Yes ok I can concede to her surprise at Kyousuke's angry reaction, but it brings up another issue she may just have to face: what now happens when her brother decides to stand up for himself? They have been fighting or cold shouldering each other for years, and a confrontation like this forces her to rethink just how they've been dealing with each other. This may as well be the first time Kyousuke pointed out to her that she's being insufferable and unmindful of others. This may be the first time that he simply pointed out her faults outright and bluntly. She doesn't get it from her parents that's for sure, so this might be the first time in her life someone simply pointed out that she isn't a picture perfect person, something she has sorely needed since like forever. That is precisely why she sucks at criticism.

5. Again, point number two and point number 4. Just because she didn't doesn't mean she never will, and implications about her life has somewhat showed that she has shown some degree of incapacity at showing some regard for other people. She is, shall we say, emotionally blunted. She's not actually sociopathic, but it is safe to believe that living the life of a modern queen bee as opposed to being a worker bee like Kyousuke has shielded her from more expected social realities you'd want from any person. A brotherly alienation, pampering parents, pampering friends etc etc.

Now that we know that it's mostly a cover, I think it's clear that behind that Kirino is selfish and emotionally blunted. Sure, maybe there's even more dere hidden behind that as well (like how she says bad things toward Kuroneko but still keep her as friend, for example), but like Meo said here there's some other things that makes her plain selfish and emotionally blunted even without the dere coming into play.

And thus, with the emotional bluntness and lack of admonishment, maybe the reason her 'tsun' goes overboard sometimes is because she doesn't realize just how much it'd hurt other people, seeing as she rarely suffers the same thing. She knows it's bad, of course, but she doesn't know how bad it is or that in her mind, the other person deserves it anyway.

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6. I am also not convinced she's supposed to be the villain. If anything, maybe she's closer to the damsel in distress who doesn't really want to be saved. Okay sure she wants her life counseling sessions, but she also seems okay with much of the status quo, when in fact she looks to be so out of tune with the rest of her family and the rest of the outside world that she NEEDS Kyousuke for perspective, perspective she finds difficult to accept from him because her feelings of alienation still separates them.

That's the irony here I think: She needs him but she claims not to want him. The very distance that has grown between them feeds her actions that push him away.

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And this is another part that's important - I too feel that Kirino is already content with the status quo at the beginning of the series. She's not fully happy with it, of course, seeing that she wants to be able to freely admits her hobbies and has someone to share it with (which is why she give those eroge to Kyousuke to play, I think). But the problem is, since Kyousuke wants to reconnect with her, he's not satisfied with that. For him, the way to do that is to make her happy, and grants what she wants and needs even though she can't be honest to admit it. As such, when opportunity comes Kyousuke tries his hardest, even sacrifice himself, to make her parent and best friend understand her hobby, and even try to find otaku friends that she wants as well.

Remember when relentless sees the show as Kyousuke's life turn upside down when he discover his model student little sister is an otaku? I see it differently, Kirino's life also got turned upside down ever since the reveal as Kyousuke breaks her out of her comfort zone for her own good. Think of it as having a bad tooth, you know it hurts and you want the pain to go away but to do that you'll have to pull it out and that'll hurt even more (Novocaine aside), so she just bear with it.

But now, what is it that makes her doesn't want to be saved? Personally, I suspect that it's because of the distance like Meo said. First, it might be difficult for her to rely on her brother all the time, but more than that, I think it's also because she still wants the distance to be there. I believe the full reason for this lies on that mysterious event in the past. Her saying "why do you have to be a good big bro after all this time" makes it seems that she's perhaps disappointed by her Kyousuke in the past, and grown distant. She's afraid of Kyousuke being a good big brother will makes them close again, only to be hurt again.

This may also be why she can't be honest and always be hostile to other people - realize that with her life mostly spent putting up a facade, she never had a relationship where she can truly admits her true feelings toward. Not Ayase, not her parents, not even Kuroneko. Maybe, and I know this may seem cliche, that it's because she doesn't want to bare it all because she instinctively scared of being hurt again so she always seems to keep one shield up (which is why her panic-stricken face when she realizes Kyousuke knows her pretty well scares her so much). Also, that may be another meaning when she says the next life counseling session is the last - she knows the repeated life counseling means she's getting closer with him, and because she's afraid of that, she only plan to have one more as insurance (but not more).

Still, one thing that still boggles my mind (and makes me frustrated with Kirino as well) is that whether Kirino really wants her relationship with Kyousuke restored or not. Yes, there's times when the life counseling happened due to necessity caused by unforeseen events, or other times when it's Kyousuke who took the initiative, but there are other examples as well that shows that she wants to reconnect (most obvious one being the Christmas 'date'). But even then, she still take the antagonistic approach, as if she doesn't want to reconnect with him.

I first assume that it's the only way she knows how to appeal to her brother, but this ep proves it false. We directly see that she prefers a sweet Miyabi approach rather than a 100% tsun Rinko one, so why can't she simply apply the Golden Rule here? As such, it makes it seem like she's just trolling him, which I vehemently dislike. Oh, and the past event catalyst better be damn strong to at least explain why the hell she can't be bothered to be more honest, even for just a little bit.

Lastly, all factors considered, when it comes down to it I still can't find myself to like Kirino, even if I understand her better. Sure, things might have been more understandable, and Kirino is undoubtedly a distinct, much more complex imouto character than your usual ones, but...I still find the tsun and inability to be honest too far gone, really, without enough redeeming traits to counter it. At least, my rage and rants will be lessened but I still prefer other characters like Kuroneko and others.

7. The final point, about the context I see. The context finally started coming to light here because much of it comes from Rinko, whom we believe is a reflection of Kirino. I come out of the episode believing that Rinko stands as a good basis for what Kirino is and may possibly become. Rinko reflects Kirino's personality and how the character says that her brother shouldn't start acting like a brother now when they've been apart for so long. Rinko indirectly (and incompletely, sadly) reveals much of what is wrong between Kirino and Kyousuke. It may no longer be a stretch to say that the problem of the eroge's characters are the same ones the siblings face today.

I am thankful for this episode for actually reigniting my interest in the series, because initially I was actually planning on dropping the show if episode 9 goes nowhere. Thankfully I am wrong, and I think I have the desire now to finish it to the end. There might exist the possibility that in 3-4 episodes the series might salvage this purportedly central storyline and adequately resolve it.

I love on what you stated above, pure KAWAII!!!! lol
I've noticed something... after kirino played the game , she look sad when Rinko said " I will never see you again"... and Kirino said something along the line " I made a wrong choice..." . I have no clue what she is talking about. I thought it was because the ending of the game was not what she was hoping for, then again it could be on what she really wanted inside... Revelation?

@ all above - You all have very interesting opinions on Kirino. IMHO, I believe... eerrrr..... maybe i mostly FEEL that she is so much like Ami Kawashim, but with the reverse double essences of the "True self" and the "True Fake" . My question is which is which? Mostly I FEEL that she just a FAKE with the ones she truly loves, but the TRUE with the rest of the world. Look at last episode one how she reacted after the meeting. Com-on! She is truly insecure as her TRUE self, and in this one a FAKE with others.

It's seems that everyone has a double life, one way or another, like it or not, I'm falling in love with the show Well, if i ever met a man as kind as Kyosuke, I would never be a bitch to him lol .....
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unless he breaks my heart or trust, i will break his B@lls...

Ah, some Toradora! reference. That was also a great show, although frustrating at times. I agree that Kirino is an insecure person, although she wants to put up a front to say otherwise. As for her true self, it is a bit of a mix bag. She is at times insecure, at times outspoken, at times passionate, at times embarrassed, at times lying, and at times denying the reality in front of her. Her fake self you are referrring to, is also partially true. She is truly an athlete, intelligent, and model. The fake part of it all is the image of confidence and kindness that she wants the world to see.

Kyousuke is actually a pretty good guy. He might not be as gifted as his sister, but he is genuine inside, well at least in the anime as far as I can see. Of course, they could twist the story around at any moment now.

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That is, rather than being a model student who happens to be an anime/imoutoge fan as well, she's primarily a fan with a model student cover. The main reason is well, she knows if she admits as an otaku she'll be looked down upon, and what's more the job etc helps her buys the lifestyle and get parents off her back to avoid suspicion. She drops her jerkass behavior because she knows that that's not how a model student should act. Maybe she does like studying/work/athletic stuff too so the cover isn't a complete lie, but it's still hiding something as it's nowhere near the passion she has for her hobbies.

Still, one thing that still boggles my mind (and makes me frustrated with Kirino as well) is that whether Kirino really wants her relationship with Kyousuke restored or not.

I still find the tsun and inability to be honest too far gone, really, without enough redeeming traits to counter it. At least, my rage and rants will be lessened but I still prefer other characters like Kuroneko and others.

I agree with you there. She is a fan who is putting up a model student front, even if some of its attributes are true.

As for her relationship with Kyousuke, I genuinely believe that she does want a better relationship with him, but she just doesn't understand how. Her siscon games are her only reference, and the games are shunned upon in society, so she cannot follow along with it. As far as her expressing it, however, it is mean, vicious, and unkind, which makes her less appealing to many viewers, especially considering how kind the recepient (her brother) is in contrast.

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I've noticed something... after kirino played the game , she look sad when Rinko said " I will never see you again"... and Kirino said something along the line " I made a wrong choice..." . I have no clue what she is talking about. I thought it was because the ending of the game was not what she was hoping for, then again it could be on what she really wanted inside... Revelation?

It is a little of both, in this case. A good end to these games is when they are all happy together for the rest of their lives. She thought she had a bad ending because they had to be separated. Also, it is an introspective on her feelings, to be separated from the one she cares for. She has vested so much energy and effort on someone, but ending up departing with that person is just sad.

It is a little of both, in this case. A good end to these games is when they are all happy together for the rest of their lives. She thought she had a bad ending because they had to be separated. Also, it is an introspective on her feelings, to be separated from the one she cares for. She has vested so much energy and effort on someone, but ending up departing with that person is just sad.

Hmm, maybe that ending was actually a good ending due to the fact that it can either lead them to be happy together for the rest of their lives, or to leave an emotional impact on the player on how dramatic the story can turn out to be. It made Kirino realize that not all eroge games eventually lead to being happy together for the rest of their lives. Or my speculations are just wrong.

Ah, some Toradora! reference. That was also a great show, although frustrating at times. I agree that Kirino is an insecure person, although she wants to put up a front to say otherwise. As for her true self, it is a bit of a mix bag. She is at times insecure, at times outspoken, at times passionate, at times embarrassed, at times lying, and at times denying the reality in front of her. Her fake self you are referrring to, is also partially true. She is truly an athlete, intelligent, and model. The fake part of it all is the image of confidence and kindness that she wants the world to see.

Kyousuke is actually a pretty good guy. He might not be as gifted as his sister, but he is genuine inside, well at least in the anime as far as I can see. Of course, they could twist the story around at any moment now.

I agree with you there. She is a fan who is putting up a model student front, even if some of its attributes are true.

As for her relationship with Kyousuke, I genuinely believe that she does want a better relationship with him, but she just doesn't understand how. Her siscon games are her only reference, and the games are shunned upon in society, so she cannot follow along with it. As far as her expressing it, however, it is mean, vicious, and unkind, which makes her less appealing to many viewers, especially considering how kind the recepient (her brother) is in contrast.

It is a little of both, in this case. A good end to these games is when they are all happy together for the rest of their lives. She thought she had a bad ending because they had to be separated. Also, it is an introspective on her feelings, to be separated from the one she cares for. She has vested so much energy and effort on someone, but ending up departing with that person is just sad.

mmmm, I would never thought of that. Thats so KYA! lol
Here's a thought, perhaps when the game ending with the "wrong choice", there's a possibility she will make a correct choice, with her own alternative ending. That clearly shows she wants to make some type of amends towards Kyousuke, at least in some level. Maybe it does not have to do anything with her eroge hobbies, perhaps she is using "some" materials just to figure out herself and how she "feel" about everything including her brother.

This is borderline overanalysing but a person can have multiple, or even contradictory characteristics.

Kirino has this moe/siscon game fetish and its association with otakudom, but her interest is quite specific, non of the otaku-sage type who likes the culture and everything associated with it. It would be unfair to characterise her as a fan first and foremost because it is just one side of Kirino - just as valid as her hard-working model student side (her monologue in ep5 said just as much). She did tell Ayase that Ayase and eroge are just as important, and her refusal to abandon neither caused the rift. Kirino never 'choose' one over the other, Ayase choose to remove herself from the friendship and it is only because Ayase eventually partially accepted the other part which allowed reconciliation. Kirino did not compromise on her eroge part, nor would I think she would compromise on Ayase if the context is reversed, they are both important.

Edit: Some anime only viewers are overplaying Kirino's otaku interests. Can't fault them especially since ep9! Do remember however that her eroge obsession is built on the foundation of being a good student, a modelling career and other commitments. Without those she cannot have her hobby. Therefore it is a stretch to call those accomplishments 'fake' because they earned her the right to have this hobby.

Also another point of clarification:
Kirino is only really tsun to her brother. Her interaction with Kuroneko is not tsun because you'd otherwise describe Kuroneko also as a tsundere except both are simply bad at freely express themselves to people they care about. In comparision her reactions to Kyosuke which are extreme, follows no pattern and outright hostile. Remember the opposite of love is not hate, but in-difference. Kyosuke is special to Kirino, exactly what 'special' means are yet to be seen.

All this bagging her being selfish/immature are missing the boat IMO (it is only true in the context of Kyosuke). First i don't believe being dere means maturity or unselfish to begin with. Besides socialable is a skill and there are plenty of that (which made Kyosuke cringe) in the home visit episode. Another important revelation was during the Ayase episode, despite feeling horrible over the holidays she concentrated in the atheletic camp and her reasoning being "must do my best otherwise it is unfair for those people who were overlooked for the camp" which goes to show she does have emphthy even for your average joe guys and has the emotional maturity to stay focused despite personal demons. That to me shows more maturity than becoming an emotional wreck if that's your definition of a responsive character.

I believe Kirino used the eroge in ep9 as reference material. She was exploring the choices you can make and the consequences. She essentially decided to play as Kyosuke would do. The irony was despite her not seemingly recognising any progress with Ringo and the tsun level, she ended up on the Ringo route anyway. Implying Kyosuke is possibily on the Kirino route.

mmmm, I would never thought of that. Thats so KYA! lol
Here's a thought, perhaps when the game ending with the "wrong choice", there's a possibility she will make a correct choice, with her own alternative ending. That clearly shows she wants to make some type of amends towards Kyousuke, at least in some level. Maybe it does not have to do anything with her eroge hobbies, perhaps she is using "some" materials just to figure out herself and how she "feel" about everything including her brother.

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I believe Kirino used the eroge in ep9 as reference material. She was exploring the choices you can make and the consequences. She essentially decided to play as Kyosuke would do. The irony was despite her not seemingly recognising any progress with Ringo and the tsun level, she ended up on the Ringo route anyway. Implying Kyosuke is possibily on the Kirino route.

See I knew it.. ^_0
lol
Maybe she is also seeing what "possible" endings, things could occur, ... foreshadowing? Seeing how things could be, maybe some type of presage, bad future occurrence, and how Kirino may perceived on what level her emotions are.

She did admitted choosing the "wrong choice" , then she knows that the outcome is not favorable at all. So.. in sense... she is gathering information, on what she really feels, specially towards her brother. I think... well... I've thought that its all about her eroge hobbies, her attitude, and why she is such a spoiled little princess at times I just hate her lol, but now that small piece of ep9 , got me thinking its not about eroge anymore, it's really about self discovery, and what action(s), or amends she could do with the people she really loves. mmmmm.... interesting.

See I knew it.. ^_0
lol
Maybe she is also seeing what "possible" endings, things could occur, ... foreshadowing? Seeing how things could be, maybe some type of presage, bad future occurrence, and how Kirino may perceived on what level her emotions are.

She did admitted choosing the "wrong choice" , then she knows that the outcome is not favorable at all. So.. in sense... she is gathering information, on what she really feels, specially towards her brother. I think... well... I've thought that its all about her eroge hobbies, her attitude, and why she is such a spoiled little princess at times I just hate her lol, but now that small piece of ep9 , got me thinking its not about eroge anymore, it's really about self discovery, and what action(s), or amends she could do with the people she really loves. mmmmm.... interesting.

Making the right choices ^_^

<3 <3 <3 <3

Well yeah, the eroge and such was always about Kirino's journey of self discovery. It's been a catharsis for her relationship with Kyousuke from the start

Well yeah, the eroge and such was always about Kirino's journey of self discovery. It's been a catharsis for her relationship with Kyousuke from the start

Indeed, its been the catharsis from the start, but she did hide it from Kyousuke, and the rest, the answer is why why eroge, why not Sailor moon? or Fruit Basket ? Keeping it hidden to those that may perceived her as an outcast? Yes, she did told her brother, he accepted her hobbies, yes her parents found out (well not entirely), and yes her best friend knows . She did stated that she "just started to love it" and became part of who she is, but why eroge?

Maybe from the start as a way to have "some type" of relationship that may seems "close" to her brother in the first place. Even though is not real as in a REAL relation with siblings.

Now that the cat is out of the bag, and Kyousuke knows, but there is a more meaningful answer(s) deep inside Kirino, when the ending of the game was not what she excepted for. So honestly, what is she trying convey through the game based on her feelings? Earlier Undertaker did a wonderful job on explaining why play eroge games, which I love his points, its really just to express in some sort of emotions or feelings, to understand oneself. Just like saying why people get pissed playing Halo when the opposite opponent is better then you, and he/her keeps on killing you over and over. Just the same when a Halo player is good on hunting and killing of adversity factions and gets a kick out of it ( KING OF THE HILL! ).

Spoiler for Final Fantasy 7:

Also, I love RPGs, when I was little, and playing FF7 was like the best game ever, but when Aria dies, specially earlier in the game, I was in a melancholy shock for weeks, it affected me in someways that I didnt know, but it was stupid for me thinking at that time "I HATE FF7! Why cloud! why! Didnt you save her...sob!" lol

Yet, through RPGs it does gives me a lecture or an insight on who I'm as a person, and compare to other Dumb-@ss games, why RPGs enhance my maturity. Its the same as Kirino with her eroge, it does enhance her growth, and what choices she want and may/may-not do in the near future. And, that is what I got on that small part in ep9. What she really wants, the choices we have, and what outcomes it maybe.[

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Last edited by relentlessflame; 2010-11-30 at 23:23.
Reason: added spoiler tags to protect any innocent that remain...

Indeed, its been the catharsis from the start, but she did hide it from Kyousuke, and the rest, the answer is why why eroge, why not Sailor moon? or Fruit Basket ? Keeping it hidden to those that may perceived her as an outcast? Yes, she did told her brother, he accepted her hobbies, yes her parents found out (well not entirely), and yes her best friend knows . She did stated that she "just started to love it" and became part of who she is, but why eroge?

Maybe from the start as a way to have "some type" of relationship that may seems "close" to her brother in the first place. Even though is not real as in a REAL relation with siblings.

It's not as though eroge is her only hobby. We also see her great fandom of anime like Meruru (which is an obvious parody of Nanoha) as another example. I don't see her "path to eroge" as being all that different than mine, honestly -- I started with romance-themed anime, and became interested in the source material for those shows, and later branched out into other similar games. Being interested in one aspect of this hobby and digging further will inevitably lead you to other aspects of the hobby; as she said, all you have to do is start following the major Japanese "otaku" blog sites, and there's a never-ending procession of new, attractive works being released all the time.

So I do think that her sort of "stumbled into it" excuse seems pretty realistic. Why she stuck with it perhaps digs at some deeper issues, but I'm not sure you can dig too deeply. I don't think she "sought out" eroge, more like "it found her" -- she just happened to be receptive to it.