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Re: Galactic Restart

Convo with Sidmen, should sum a lot of it up. Small argument at the very end, but pay no heed. I also approximated some stuff with TW Center smilies.

Sidmen says:Because I finally showed people the numbers behind the scenes, they freaked out

Bert the Mighty! says:Numbers behind the scenes?...

Sidmen says:http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=146430

Bert the Mighty! says:Oh, right, that.

Sidmen says:Its not like I'll follow it very well anyway

Bert the Mighty! says:Beam weapons are WAY too efficient.

Bert the Mighty! says:Really long range AND the best hull damage-to-integrity loss.

Sidmen says:at long range they'll suck tho

Sidmen says:shields totally nerf them

Bert the Mighty! says:At long range they'll hit and do damage.

Sidmen says:At long range shields will be at their strongest, which beams suck against. It won't be till they reach pulse range that beams will be any use, after the shields are taken down by pulses and ion cannons

Bert the Mighty! says:Shields should be applied to -all- weapons, some moreso than others.

Sidmen says:these aren't that kind of shield

Bert the Mighty! says:What kind, then?

Sidmen says:These shields are energy shields, not kinetic or gravametric(spelled that wrong). They have no effect on projectiles because they don't operate on that level.

Bert the Mighty! says:And tell me... Why wouldn't they be effective on projectiles?

Sidmen says:How would they? They have no method of stopping them

Bert the Mighty! says:How do they stop beam and pulse weapons, then?

Sidmen says:they absorb the energy

Bert the Mighty! says:How?

Bert the Mighty! says:How do you 'absorb' the energy?

Sidmen says:Magic

Sidmen says:obviously

Bert the Mighty! says:Right. I was thinking...

Bert the Mighty! says:Wait. Lost my train of thought.

Sidmen says:Asking 'how' about a science fiction game and expecting a scientific answer isn't exactly the best way of doing things. Because there obviously isn't a scientific answer.

Sidmen says:Otherwise we'd be in space colonizing planets now.

Bert the Mighty! says:Right.

Bert the Mighty! says:How about this...

Bert the Mighty! says:You don't have shields, other than some protection against EMP pulses.

Bert the Mighty! says:Beam/Pulse does light hull damage, but over immense ranges and can shoot down missiles.

Bert the Mighty! says:Meaning it penetrates..

Bert the Mighty! says:But it's very limited/easily controlled damage.

Bert the Mighty! says:The only way for it to penetrate would be a dot from a fully-sharpened pencil.

Bert the Mighty! says:Yet with this you can severely compromise the hull strength.

Bert the Mighty! says:Not destroy it, but cut holes in it and scratch some parts nearly to bits.

Bert the Mighty! says:That way, when you get close enough for projectiles...

Bert the Mighty! says:And it become what battles SHOULD be in a fun game - something of cat and mouse, of wits and planning for the worst.

Bert the Mighty! says:Yet perhaps recieving something unexpected, or having the enemy play into your hands.

Sidmen says:Go ahead and propose it. If you get majority support I'll change stuff to how people want it. Just make sure you include everything about it, like the size of the damage done, and the way everything reacts.

Sidmen says:I'll make a comparison of my generic ruleset, and see what people want. If they want more science than fiction I really don't care. Personally, I had tons of fun in my war with scottish, and he did too.

Bert the Mighty! says:They weaken hulls, which will cause X, Y, and Z, depending on what you do.

Sidmen says:which causes confusion to the battle mod, personally I wouldn't mod any battles with that kind of setup. Too confusing to me.

Sidmen says:2,000 ships all aiming at different targets, doing different degrees of damage or effect.

Bert the Mighty! says:They don't do different degrees of damage.

Bert the Mighty! says:Targeting ships I don't mean individuals.

Sidmen says:yes they do.

Bert the Mighty! says:I mean you say "target this part of all ships", or "attack only cruisers!".

Sidmen says:a hit on an engine causes X effect, a hit on the hull causes Y effect, a hit on the Bridge causes Z

Sidmen says:much more confusing than "Target X ships and unload with the pulse batteries"

Re: Galactic Restart

Meant that the rules aren't static, a grazing shot or longer range will cause less damage than the indicated amount"

Sidmen says:
You like making missiles worthless to me don't you?

That was supposed to be a kind of joke about how he keeps wanting to make missiles short-ranged, while my entire race is built around long-range missiles. Missiles at short range don't make any sense to me.

I'll go lay down now and cool off. When I come back I'll see if I still like this game enough to stick with it.

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Re: Galactic Restart

...That's not only unrealistic it's imbalancing... You're firing 50+ Mt nuclear warheads - pretty easy to hit with pulses/beams. Unless you -want- an uber-long-range weapon that can destroy the largest ship in one hit, that is. Which would, realistically, be dealt with easily by a combination of regular/point defense beam and pulse along with chaff, as they won't have to be focused on destroying ships now that they're weaker. More effective to stop guided death.

Re: Galactic Restart

Lol. Do you know the force of 50 Mt of TNT? 4.6 km fireball, far greater area of massive destruction, third-degree burns at 100 km, massive crater... Need I go on? Unless your ship has 300 M of protection (still not enough) at the blast zone, not a chance. That's the largest thermonuclear warhead - 3125 times as strong as Hiroshima at half-yield. It can be up to 100 Mt, but that would cause a nuclear winter.

Re: Galactic Restart

Bert lets say that were using armor that hasn't been discovered yet that negates such destructiveness, and nearly all the radiation, lets also say that the shields can hold back such destructivenss, lets also say that its just a game!

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Re: Galactic Restart

To anyone who knows the speeds involved... And unrealistic qualifies as 15m (45 feet) of armor stopping something 3125 times as strong as an explosion that made a 300-foot-deep (100m) crater into dirt, asphalt, and bedrock.