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There was a fairly new looking Victory at the beach last Saturday. Don't know what model it was, but it was pretty "standard;" nothing too radical but a bit of a chopper look to it. I have to say it was a good looking bike. The materials looked to be of high quality, the paint job was gorgeous, and it was very "clean" looking overall. They put a lot more effort into hiding wires and pumbing than HD does. But the most interesting part of the bike (for me, anyway) was the motor.

They build some damn big jugs; the things looked wide enough to house a V-4 inside. Massive, it was, and done in a nice black with shiny edges on the fins and such. There was a tiny little oil cooler up front; whoever owns it had better stay off A1A in the summer when the traffic backs up, or they'll roast that nice looking lump.

If I were in the market for a cruiser or chopperesque ride, I'd give Victory a really hard look.

I'm starting to see more Victorys around my area, even a few Visions. When my Dad passed a few years ago I got his Kingpin from his wife and it's been fun to ride. It's got the older 92 inch motor and 5 speed but it definately motors along.

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Victorys are nice enough bikes. They just are up against things they are going to have real trouble overcoming if they want to survive. One, they have no real heritage or history. Two, their dealer network is sparse. Three, they are just as expensive as Harley. Four, they really bring nothing new to the table: the customized, air-cooled, V-Twin, belt drive vehicle has been beat to death. And five, and possibly the most important problem is that the 'Bad Vision' is quite possibly the ugliest motorcycle from all angles that has ever been produced. They do make other nice bikes, but these factors will eventually grind them down, I believe. Just my opinion.

Victory's are nice enough bikes. They just are up against things they are going to have real trouble overcoming if they want to survive. One, they have no real heritage or history. Two, thier dealer network is sparse. Three, they are just as expensive as Harley. Four, they really bring nothing new to the table: the customized, air-cooled, V-Twin, belt drive vehicle has been beat to death. And five, and possibly the most important problem is that the 'Bad Vision' is quite possibly the ugliest motorcycle from all angles that has ever been produced. They do make other nice bikes, but these factors will eventually grind them down, I believe. Just my opinion.

Though I like the Victory I've got it was more of a sentimental purchase than anything. I pretty much agree with most of the points you made though I think they'll find a small niche for guys that don't want HD's but want American made. I've ridden HDs since 82 and can't see not having one. I do most of my riding on my RG.

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I like them myself, there's a dealer local so I see them on the road from time to time. There's even a guy in the next building over with a Vision here at work, it's a maroon and silver color. I think it's a nice looking bike myself, I know they build them like a durn M1 Abrams, stout as hell.

Don't particularly like the paint scheme on this bike but I do like other Victory bikes like the Vegas. As far as dealer network I think if you are in a major city you are probably ok but like longride said it's sparse out side of the major markets. HD used to be that way but now has dealers in small cities away from major cities. But I guess if the price isn't that much cheaper than a HD I have to ask why would you buy this over a Harley. Just to be different yet buy American? Most Harley are customized uniquely by their owners anyway