rishaed wrote:Okay unvote. This could get interesting . Now to hope I don't die tonight... I am willing to believe his claim on various reasonings, so If it was true that PCM was at L-2 even though I think that he is town. . . hmm do you guys think that there is another gifter out there? I mean if everyone can claim ??? town gifter it would be very easy.

Gifter roles are claims that can actually be confirmed. (In that another player receives actual proof of the role's existence when they get the gift.) As such, the only way a scum could fake a claim like that in this game would be to say he gifted to his scum mates and have them back up his story.

Actually, that doesn't have any confirmation. He could be a gifter and be scum. Now, I think the chuck case was one based on... ok, nothing. But just because he's got a verifiable claim doesn't mean he's pro-town.

gregwolf121 wrote:what mafia game does your role come from, and do others want me to claim along with spiesr?

What do you mean by "want me to claim along with spiesr?" I don't get it...are you a gifter as well, then? Are you two tied together, ie. masons?

He means that I want him to claim, and he wants to know if anybody else wants him to claim.

Nebuchadnezer wrote:Spiesr...who did you drive N2? Odd that you didn't come out with that right away.

I haven't mentioned it yet because I since my busdriving didn't alter any claimed actions I think it might be better to wait and see if somebody claims something that can be disproved by it. So unless a Cop investigated somebody last Night or something that I might have screwed up I think I will sit on that info for the moment unless you guys really want it. Now that I mention cops, I think that if we have one and they have results on anybody who is alive (expect maybe chuck since his role is confirmed) that I would strongly recommend they claim now, even if they only have innocent results. Crossing oof anybody from the few remaining suspect should give us strong chances of hitting scum.

Nebuchadnezer wrote:Man, we're cutting deadline close, people...why do we always wait so long to get conversation going?!?

13 hours left it seems. So, do we want to try to end with a tie that gives us 24 hours more, or are we ready to lynch somebody now? I should be able to get on shortly before the deadline to juggle my vote to exactly where it needs to be to make a tie or whatever work. (And dissuade any scum attempts to shift the vote to an undesirable lynch at the last minutes.) (Assuming the Jonty will cut the votes off exactly at the time he listed rather than whenever they are when he gets on.)

I very much want pancakemix to provide his supposedly provable claim today. If it really can be proven then we will have only 4 suspects left (counting myself). We can just pick one of those to lynch to end the day with then, even if they don't have time to claim. If there are 3 scum left then we would have a 3/4 chance of hitting correctly, and a 1/4 chance of losing. I will take those odds at this point. If there are 2 scum left then we only have 1/2 chance of picking right, but we get 1 more try if we screw up.

Lol...sounds great, until I am suddenly the one getting lynched without a chance to defend/claim. I, too, would really like to hear pancake's claim. If I unvote, Gregwolf, Pancake and myself are all at one vote. I'll keep my vote on Greg, and wait to see how he responds. I will check back in about 8 hours. I won't be able to get back after that for another 12 hours. (I'll be on a bit yet, but can't guarantee anything.)

pancakemix wrote:Actually, that doesn't have any confirmation. He could be a gifter and be scum. Now, I think the chuck case was one based on... ok, nothing. But just because he's got a verifiable claim doesn't mean he's pro-town.

Umm, why are you trying to cast doubt on the one provable claim we have?

jonty125 wrote:Welcome, to the "Best (Randomness) of 2012". Where nobody knows the setup, and nor do I yet. For the last few months I've been scouring the archives looking for games, that STARTED and FINISHED in 2012. I have jotted down all the roles and now through the Gods of Randomness, they will return. This game will have anything from 3 to 503 players, so feel free to invite friends (that's a hint by the way). Anyhow, once the sign-up stage has slowed down, I'll assign a random number between 1 to 503, for every player. This corrleates with a number on my database, which will tell me your role. I shall do this for all players and then the game will start. Mod Note: Some roles have been adjusted for balance purposes.All alignments have been carried over and mafia will be given NO FAKECLAIMS (but come on, there's a plethora of a roles out there). I have only slightly adjusted roles for balance purposes and other than that, there is no effort from me to make it random. So if there is a 10 player game with 2 serial killers, tough luck. If it is a 20 player game with 3 mafia and 4 cops, tough luck. I will acknowledge where the character made their début appearance in the role PM.

/"Deadvodean, town lynchstop gifter, deadline killed day onesafariguy5,town giftmagnet gifter, killed night oneaage, town roleblock gifter, killed night oneLSU Tiger Josh, town cop gifter, lynched day twojonty125, town giftsteal gifter, killed night twopmchugh, town track gifter, killed night twoYomiel, mafia commute gifter,lynched day threespiesr, town busdrive gifter, killed night threesoundman, town hide gifter, killed night threeDjfireside, town doubler gifter , lynched day four[/quote]
Those two quotes should be sufficient to establish if Chuck is the Busdrive Gifter he is town. The only way for Chuck to not be town is if the entire claim is fake and both Neb and I are his scum mates.[quote="pancakemix wrote:Spiesr, will you show me where I said my role was verifiable?

I can't find it. Did I just imagine that? You are still my number one target right now though.

pancakemix wrote:Actually, that doesn't have any confirmation. He could be a gifter and be scum. Now, I think the chuck case was one based on... ok, nothing. But just because he's got a verifiable claim doesn't mean he's pro-town.

Umm, why are you trying to cast doubt on the one provable claim we have?

jonty125 wrote:Welcome, to the "Best (Randomness) of 2012". Where nobody knows the setup, and nor do I yet. For the last few months I've been scouring the archives looking for games, that STARTED and FINISHED in 2012. I have jotted down all the roles and now through the Gods of Randomness, they will return. This game will have anything from 3 to 503 players, so feel free to invite friends (that's a hint by the way). Anyhow, once the sign-up stage has slowed down, I'll assign a random number between 1 to 503, for every player. This corrleates with a number on my database, which will tell me your role. I shall do this for all players and then the game will start. Mod Note: Some roles have been adjusted for balance purposes.All alignments have been carried over and mafia will be given NO FAKECLAIMS (but come on, there's a plethora of a roles out there). I have only slightly adjusted roles for balance purposes and other than that, there is no effort from me to make it random. So if there is a 10 player game with 2 serial killers, tough luck. If it is a 20 player game with 3 mafia and 4 cops, tough luck. I will acknowledge where the character made their début appearance in the role PM.

Those two quotes should be sufficient to establish if Chuck is the Busdrive Gifter he is town. The only way for Chuck to not be town is if the entire claim is fake and both Neb and I are his scum mates.[quote="pancakemix wrote:Spiesr, will you show me where I said my role was verifiable?

I can't find it. Did I just imagine that? You are still my number one target right now though.[/quote]Im typin on a smart (lol) device soo... Not offering to claim mean from, easily verifiable. I would take from it that it is indeed verifiable, and if it's along a VT perspective then hopefully we have a cop for that. But no you never said it was easily verifiable.

aage wrote: Maybe you're right, but since we receive no handlebars from the mod I think we should get some ourselves.

Rules1. You may post once and only once, and it must be before Saturday 2 March @ 1600 GMT.2. If your post contains anything more than a vote, it will not count and be considered a spoilt ballot paper3. You may vote anybody or even no lynch.

First off a quick FOS on Edoc, Why would you vote chuck? Hes basically a confirmed townie, and I will say he is a confirmed townie. I got his busdrive gift last night ( as he said), looked up the character role from Rolegift Mafia and it is indeed a town role. I want a slight explanation for that. That being said, if we have a roleblocker right about now is the time to come out with who you blocked.

aage wrote: Maybe you're right, but since we receive no handlebars from the mod I think we should get some ourselves.

Date Masamune, Pokemon Chapter 2, Town Roleblocker. Night 1 DoomYoshi, Night 2 pancakemix, Night 3 edocsil.Now, did your busdrive have an effect on this or will edocsil be our number one target?

If you just look at the first page of that game thread it lists my character as a Mafia Roleblocker, this confused me at first. However, if you actually go to where the role pms were posted you can see it is was a Town Roleblocker who got recruited part way through that game.

i agree that evidence points towards edoc, but since it takes 4 to lynch ill withhold voting, till more have spoken up, and edoc has a chance to respondfastposted by pancake, and pancake

spiesr wrote:Date Masamune, Pokemon Chapter 2, Town Roleblocker. Night 1 DoomYoshi, Night 2 pancakemix, Night 3 edocsil.Now, did your busdrive have an effect on this or will edocsil be our number one target?

If you just look at the first page of that game thread it lists my character as a Mafia Roleblocker, this confused me at first. However, if you actually go to where the role pms were posted you can see it is was a Town Roleblocker who got recruited part way through that game.

Few things, no claimed game or name, unless I really misunderstand something. Just gifter, which is the only thing confirmed. I find this lack of transparency to be suspicious at best . If you want to see why I originally thought he was scum you can look at yesterday just as easily as I can. I don't believe in NL's D3, and I did not see another better person to lynch.

As far as the RB goes, I have no defense. I assume I will be forced to claim, although I wont do it until I'm actually concerned about being lynched. The only thing I have to say is don't assume this game is balanced. We could just as easily have killed all the scum, have a arsonist, a cult, or just two docs/a bullet proof.

rishaed wrote:I must say that that by Occams razor you probably stopped the N1 Kill.

Which is why I supported lynching Doom Yoshi Day 2 even though I couldn't give a good reason.

edocsil wrote:Few things, no claimed game or name, unless I really misunderstand something. Just gifter, which is the only thing confirmed. I find this lack of transparency to be suspicious at best . If you want to see why I originally thought he was scum you can look at yesterday just as easily as I can. I don't believe in NL's D3, and I did not see another better person to lynch.

He had mentioned the game when he was asked. That game had no "characters" for him to claim one. I am pretty sure that what he had on chuck yesterday constituted definitive proof that he was town. (Unless you seriously thought that Nebuchadnezer and I were both his scum mates.) A no lynch on Day 3 is certainly a lame prospect, but lynching a proven Town is surely worse right?

thechuck51 wrote:

gregwolf121 wrote:what mafia game does your role come from, and do others want me to claim along with spiesr?