That doesn't really prove that it's a physical release, at least not definitively. All that is, is a digitally manufactured image of cover art and what could be an actual CD or simply the image of what the CD could look like. It would confirm to us that it's an actual CD if there was a photo of the CD in its case.

Recently, i wanted to add the Bulgarian band Overgame to the list in Metal Archives but it was rejected because moderators claimed that it was not metal enough. I added a link to their MySpace profile but now I realize it's not very actual. So i decided to post a link to some songs from the album here. Listen and judge!

My band Auflader's profile was rejected because it failed to meet your requirements. Well to be honest, we released our first single online on youtube long before the 'V/A compilation' came out (you can check the dates). But later, we got this deal from the compilation, and its then that we re-released it as a part of the V/A album under a local label. So, in that case it falls under 'self-release' as well. So, are you going to allow the profile if we mention the release as a 'self-release'? Hope you do, and allow us to be a part of this honorable site.

Well... The thing is that you must have a physical, tangible release already avaliable and out there to be accepted. Various artists compilations are not accepted though, so, no matter how physical it is, if your only "non-VA-comp" release is a digital single, then it's not enough. Feel free to come back when you have a physical release on your own.

Regardless of the music, the album appears to be digital-only. Can you provide proof that there is a physical release as well?

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Recently, i wanted to add the Bulgarian band Overgame to the list in Metal Archives but it was rejected because moderators claimed that it was not metal enough. I added a link to their MySpace profile but now I realize it's not very actual. So i decided to post a link to some songs from the album here. Listen and judge!

Hi, I was wondering about the band Æþelruna(formerly Adalruna).I trid to submit & it was rejected, I believe this was because it was believed to be more dark ambient than black metal, but I've looked at the new releases & they seem to be quite metal.Anyway here are some samples for clarification.

Hi, I was wondering about the band Æþelruna(formerly Adalruna).I trid to submit & it was rejected, I believe this was because it was believed to be more dark ambient than black metal, but I've looked at the new releases & they seem to be quite metal.Anyway here are some samples for clarification.

I don't know which of those songs are supposed to be from a new release (nevermind that you didn't provide proof for this release being physical anyway), but they all still sound more like ambient than black metal.

Hi,Recently, i wanted to add the Bulgarian band Overgame to the list in Metal Archives but it was rejected because moderators claimed that it was not metal enough. I added a link to their MySpace profile but now I realize it's not very actual. So i decided to post a link to some songs from the album here. Listen and judge!

Hi,Recently, i wanted to add the Bulgarian band Overgame to the list in Metal Archives but it was rejected because moderators claimed that it was not metal enough. I added a link to their MySpace profile but now I realize it's not very actual. So i decided to post a link to some songs from the album here. Listen and judge!

Long-time lurker here. I use m-a all the time. Even got the Android app--thanks!

England's Admiral Sir Cloudesley Shovell is blacklisted. Are they not metal enough? The Shovell is similar to the stoner metal band, Axxicorn, and they're listed. I can see the argument for and against The Shovell, but I think they make a good enough case to be included in the metal-archives.

Hi, few days ago I saw the band Impuration (http://www.facebook.com/impuration) here in the archives but somehow they got deleted, I can't find them anymore through search or not even in the country list "Turkey". Why are they deleted? Did you find out afterwards that they are not "metal" enough for the archives or what was the reason?

Hi, few days ago I saw the band Impuration (http://www.facebook.com/impuration) here in the archives but somehow they got deleted, I can't find them anymore through search or not even in the country list "Turkey". Why are they deleted? Did you find out afterwards that they are not "metal" enough for the archives or what was the reason?

I remember there was something wrong with their physical release, something dubious. Unfortunately I can't recall what it was exactly. I think something about it not having been released yet. Do you have proof to the contrary?

Hi, few days ago I saw the band Impuration (http://www.facebook.com/impuration) here in the archives but somehow they got deleted, I can't find them anymore through search or not even in the country list "Turkey". Why are they deleted? Did you find out afterwards that they are not "metal" enough for the archives or what was the reason?

I remember there was something wrong with their physical release, something dubious. Unfortunately I can't recall what it was exactly. I think something about it not having been released yet. Do you have proof to the contrary?

As far as I know there was a picture of the CD in their release data, and there was some info that it was self-released. I don't know I didn't see a self-released copy myself but the label "Ars Funebris Records" seems to be releasing it these days on CD http://www.facebook.com/impuration/post ... 0441321867

I hope you didn't blacklist the band. If the CD gets finally released, I'd like to add them again. Cheers

No, I didn't blacklist it. When the issue is cleared up I can simply restore the deleted entry.

I can't find proof for the supposed self-release either and there's only mention about it going to be released in October on their FB wall, nothing that it has been released and can be ordered. I also can't find the CD in Ars Funebris' online store.

I'll contact the band about it.

EDIT: Their response:

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Hails!!!

Thanks for your question.

Yeah, it will be released as CD format by Ars Funebris Records in November. We've planned to release in October, but the layout design works delayed.

However South American label Bestial Desecration Records will release it as tape format on next days.

Recently, i wanted to add the Bulgarian band Overgame to the list in Metal Archives but it was rejected because moderators claimed that it was not metal enough. I added a link to their MySpace profile but now I realize it's not very actual. So i decided to post a link to some songs from the album here. Listen and judge!

Except the Myspace contains the same songs from the same album... it's not "outdated" at all, it's the same shit, they only have one album. Your Sendspace link just contains additional songs from the same album, that's all. And guess what, they're still radio-friendly alt-rock peppered with some Black Album-lite riffs that last for a few seconds before going back to Evanescence territory.

Azmodes un-blacklisted them from good faith due to your misleading post that the Myspace contained songs from a previous era of the band when it wasn't even true. You're just wasting our time now. Don't do that again.

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Markeri, in 2013 wrote:

a fairly agreed upon date [of the beginning of metal] is 1969. Metal is almost 25 years old

Why is Germ (AUS) on the blacklist and Grey Waters (who clearly is declared as ` Depressive Rock `) accepted on Metal-Archives? Tim Yatras is active in both bands and both bands are also under the flag of Eisenwald Tonschmiede. I remembered long ago a moderator told me, that Grey Waters was accepted because

1. there are persons active in which are also active in Metal-bands and -projects2. the band is in contract with a label which distributes worldwide

So, now I ask myself, why shouldn`t accepted Germ? Just because Tim Yatras goes here a more and more avantgarde way (but still very related to Black Metal and AT LEAST Metal)? For in my opinion (and certainly not only in my opinion) Germ is very much more Metal than Grey Waters (inherently this is declared as `Depressive Rock`; where is here "the oh so beloved magic word `Metal`" ? And the next is `Progressive Pop` ?). And I think it would be an addendum that absolutely should not be missed, not only due the fact, that just this person namely Tim Yatras is a very important and game-changing individual for the call it `scene` or `Metal` but also therefore he`s active (or was active) in various other bands apparent on metal-archives.

Grey Waters was created and released an album while Yatras was still involved with at least one of the bands he is most well-known for (that being Woods of Desolation, itself widely seen as a continuation of Austere). Germ, which is younger (at least as a recording entity), it seems was the band he moved onto after leaving WoD, ruling the latter band out as a factor for making an admission based on the SP rule. Label considerations (e.g. that both are on Eisenwald Tonschmiede) would be secondary/subservient to this basic foundational criterion, meaning that you've posed a false dichotomy in that sense.

(this was in response to another mod, but serendipitously it fits perfectly as an answer here)

So it would seem that while Grey Waters was a side-project, Germ now is more along the lines of a main project. Germ was also found not metal, by the way.

You may disagree, but be advised that we are currently in the process of reviewing the side-projects and exceptions currently listed on the site. We'd like to move away from the mechanistic approach we took to it in the past towards a more case-by-case reviewing process where relevance, listenership and "side-project-ness" are the main considerations. Until we have that sorted out, users are -as written in the rules, actually- discouraged from submitting any SPs they think might have a place here. This clause has been way overused and bent in the past.

Grey Waters was created and released an album while Yatras was still involved with at least one of the bands he is most well-known for (that being Woods of Desolation, itself widely seen as a continuation of Austere). Germ, which is younger (at least as a recording entity), it seems was the band he moved onto after leaving WoD, ruling the latter band out as a factor for making an admission based on the SP rule. Label considerations (e.g. that both are on Eisenwald Tonschmiede) would be secondary/subservient to this basic foundational criterion, meaning that you've posed a false dichotomy in that sense.

(this was in response to another mod, but serendipitously it fits perfectly as an answer here)

So it would seem that while Grey Waters was a side-project, Germ now is more along the lines of a main project. Germ was also found not metal, by the way.

You may disagree, but be advised that we are currently in the process of reviewing the side-projects and exceptions currently listed on the site. We'd like to move away from the mechanistic approach we took to it in the past towards a more case-by-case reviewing process where relevance, listenership and "side-project-ness" are the main considerations. Until we have that sorted out, users are -as written in the rules, actually- discouraged from submitting any SPs they think might have a place here. This clause has been way overused and bent in the past.

But it is still Metal, in other case you should remove bands like Blacklodge etc.

Of course it's my point of view. And others are entitled to theirs. But this site doesn't concern itself with opinions voiced on other sites. We're not run by Allmusic or Wikipedia or financed by some webzine, the site is privately owned and run and the owners/staff reserve their right to be the judge for accepting or rejecting bands based on their points of view alone.

I can see from some more samples that there are certainly influences from black metal. Some of the drumming and the occasional vocals, but as far as this site mainly defines what it considers to be metal enough it is lacking, i.e. in terms of metal riffs. The music sounds predominantly ambient/electronic/rock, the metal touches are not the foundation, more another minor ingredient for the whole thing.