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David Anderson

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So raise your hand if you know someonein your immediate family or circle of friendswho suffers from some form of mental illness.Yeah. I thought so. Not surprised.

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And raise your hand if you think thatbasic research on fruit flies has anything to dowith understanding mental illness in humans.Yeah. I thought so. I'm also not surprised.I can see I've got my work cut out for me here.

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As we heard from Dr. Insel this morning,psychiatric disorders like autism, depression and schizophreniatake a terrible toll on human suffering.We know much less about their treatmentand the understanding of their basic mechanismsthan we do about diseases of the body.Think about it: In 2013,the second decade of the millennium,if you're concerned about a cancer diagnosisand you go to your doctor, you get bone scans,biopsies and blood tests.In 2013, if you're concerned about a depression diagnosis,you go to your doctor, and what do you get?A questionnaire.Now, part of the reason for this is that we havean oversimplified and increasingly outmoded viewof the biological basis of psychiatric disorders.We tend to view them --and the popular press aids and abets this view --as chemical imbalances in the brain,as if the brain were some kind of bag of chemical soupfull of dopamine, serotonin and norepinephrine.This view is conditioned by the factthat many of the drugs that are prescribed to treat these disorders,like Prozac, act by globally changing brain chemistry,as if the brain were indeed a bag of chemical soup.But that can't be the answer,because these drugs actually don't work all that well.A lot of people won't take them, or stop taking them,because of their unpleasant side effects.These drugs have so many side effectsbecause using them to treat a complex psychiatric disorderis a bit like trying to change your engine oilby opening a can and pouring it all over the engine block.Some of it will dribble into the right place,but a lot of it will do more harm than good.

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Now, an emerging viewthat you also heard about from Dr. Insel this morning,is that psychiatric disorders are actuallydisturbances of neural circuits that mediateemotion, mood and affect.When we think about cognition,we analogize the brain to a computer. That's no problem.Well it turns out that the computer analogyis just as valid for emotion.It's just that we don't tend to think about it that way.But we know much less about the circuit basisof psychiatric disordersbecause of the overwhelming dominanceof this chemical imbalance hypothesis.

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Now, it's not that chemicals are not importantin psychiatric disorders.It's just that they don't bathe the brain like soup.Rather, they're released in very specific locationsand they act on specific synapsesto change the flow of information in the brain.So if we ever really want to understandthe biological basis of psychiatric disorders,we need to pinpoint these locations in the brainwhere these chemicals act.Otherwise, we're going to keep pouring oil all over our mental enginesand suffering the consequences.

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Now to begin to overcome our ignoranceof the role of brain chemistry in brain circuitry,it's helpful to work on what we biologists call"model organisms,"animals like fruit flies and laboratory mice,in which we can apply powerful genetic techniquesto molecularly identify and pinpointspecific classes of neurons,as you heard about in Allan Jones's talk this morning.Moreover, once we can do that,we can actually activate specific neuronsor we can destroy or inhibit the activity of those neurons.So if we inhibit a particular type of neuron,and we find that a behavior is blocked,we can conclude that those neuronsare necessary for that behavior.On the other hand, if we activate a group of neuronsand we find that that produces the behavior,we can conclude that those neurons are sufficient for the behavior.So in this way, by doing this kind of test,we can draw cause and effect relationshipsbetween the activity of specific neuronsin particular circuits and particular behaviors,something that is extremely difficult, if not impossible,to do right now in humans.

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But can an organism like a fruit fly, which is --it's a great model organismbecause it's got a small brain,it's capable of complex and sophisticated behaviors,it breeds quickly, and it's cheap.But can an organism like thisteach us anything about emotion-like states?Do these organisms even have emotion-like states,or are they just little digital robots?

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Charles Darwin believed that insects have emotionand express them in their behaviors, as he wrotein his 1872 monograph on the expression of the emotions in man and animals.And my eponymous colleague, Seymour Benzer, believed it as well.Seymour is the man that introduced the use of drosophilahere at CalTech in the '60s as a model organismto study the connection between genes and behavior.Seymour recruited me to CalTech in the late 1980s.He was my Jedi and my rabbi while he was here,and Seymour taught me both to love fliesand also to play with science.

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So how do we ask this question?It's one thing to believe that flies have emotion-like states,but how do we actually find out whether that's true or not?Now, in humans we often infer emotional states,as you'll hear later today, from facial expressions.However, it's a little difficult to do that in fruit flies.(Laughter)It's kind of like landing on Marsand looking out the window of your spaceshipat all the little green men who are surrounding itand trying to figure out, "How do I find outif they have emotions or not?"What can we do? It's not so easy.

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Well, one of the ways that we can startis to try to come up with some general characteristicsor properties of emotion-like statessuch as arousal, and see if we can identifyany fly behaviors that might exhibit some of those properties.So three important ones that I can think ofare persistence, gradations in intensity, and valence.Persistence means long-lasting.We all know that the stimulus that triggers an emotioncauses that emotion to last long after the stimulus is gone.Gradations of intensity means what it sounds like.You can dial up the intensity or dial down the intensity of an emotion.If you're a little bit unhappy, the corners of your mouthturn down and you sniffle,and if you're very unhappy, tears pour down your faceand you might sob.Valence means good or bad, positive or negative.

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So we decided to see if flies could be provoked into showingthe kind of behavior that you seeby the proverbial wasp at the picnic table,you know, the one that keeps coming back to your hamburgerthe more vigorously you try to swat it away,and it seems to keep getting irritated.So we built a device, which we call a puff-o-mat,in which we could deliver little brief air puffs to fruit fliesin these plastic tubes in our laboratory benchand blow them away.And what we found is that if we gave these fliesin the puff-o-mat several puffs in a row,they became somewhat hyperactiveand continued to run around for some time after the air puffs actually stoppedand took a while to calm down.So we quantified this behaviorusing custom locomotor tracking softwaredeveloped with my collaborator Pietro Perona,who's in the electrical engineering division here at CalTech.And what this quantification showed us is that,upon experiencing a train of these air puffs,the flies appear to enter a kind of state of hyperactivitywhich is persistent, long-lasting,and also appears to be graded.More puffs, or more intense puffs,make the state last for a longer period of time.

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So now we wanted to try to understand somethingabout what controls the duration of this state.So we decided to use our puff-o-matand our automated tracking softwareto screen through hundreds of lines of mutant fruit fliesto see if we could find any that showed abnormal responses to the air puffs.And this is one of the great things about fruit flies.There are repositories where you can just pick up the phoneand order hundreds of vials of flies of different mutantsand screen them in your assay and then find outwhat gene is affected in the mutation.So doing the screen, we discovered one mutantthat took much longer than normal to calm downafter the air puffs,and when we examined the gene that was affected in this mutation,it turned out to encode a dopamine receptor.That's right -- flies, like people, have dopamine,and it acts on their brains and on their synapsesthrough the same dopamine receptor moleculesthat you and I have.Dopamine plays a number of important functions in the brain,including in attention, arousal, reward,and disorders of the dopamine system have been linkedto a number of mental disorders including drug abuse,Parkinson's disease, and ADHD.

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Now, in genetics, it's a little counterintuitive.We tend to infer the normal function of somethingby what doesn't happen when we take it away,by the opposite of what we see when we take it away.So when we take away the dopamine receptorand the flies take longer to calm down,from that we infer that the normal function of this receptor and dopamineis to cause the flies to calm down faster after the puff.And that's a bit reminiscent of ADHD,which has been linked to disorders of the dopamine system in humans.Indeed, if we increase the levels of dopamine in normal fliesby feeding them cocaineafter getting the appropriate DEA license— oh my God -- (Laughter) —we find indeed that these cocaine-fed fliescalm down faster than normal flies do,and that's also reminiscent of ADHD,which is often treated with drugs like Ritalinthat act similarly to cocaine.So slowly I began to realize that what started outas a rather playful attempt to try to annoy fruit fliesmight actually have some relevance to a human psychiatric disorder.

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Now, how far does this analogy go?As many of you know, individuals afflicted with ADHDalso have learning disabilities.Is that true of our dopamine receptor mutant flies?Remarkably, the answer is yes.As Seymour showed back in the 1970s,flies, like songbirds, as you just heard,are capable of learning.You can train a fly to avoid an odor, shown here in blue,if you pair that odor with a shock.Then when you give those trained flies the chance to choosebetween a tube with the shock-paired odor and another odor,it avoids the tube containing the blue odor that was paired with shock.Well, if you do this test on dopamine receptor mutant flies,they don't learn. Their learning score is zero.They flunk out of CalTech.

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So that means that these flies have two abnormalities,or phenotypes, as we geneticists call them,that one finds in ADHD: hyperactivity and learning disability.Now what's the causal relationship, if anything, between these phenotypes?In ADHD, it's often assumed that the hyperactivitycauses the learning disability.The kids can't sit still long enough to focus, so they don't learn.But it could equally be the case that it's the learning disabilitiesthat cause the hyperactivity.Because the kids can't learn, they look for other things to distract their attention.And a final possibility is that there's no relationship at allbetween learning disabilities and hyperactivity,but that they are caused by a common underlying mechanism in ADHD.

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Now people have been wondering about this for a long timein humans, but in flies we can actually test this.And the way that we do this is to delve deeply into the mindof the fly and begin to untangle its circuitry using genetics.We take our dopamine receptor mutant fliesand we genetically restore, or cure, the dopamine receptorby putting a good copy of the dopamine receptor geneback into the fly brain.But in each fly, we put it back only into certain neuronsand not in others, and then we test each of these fliesfor their ability to learn and for hyperactivity.

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Remarkably, we find we can completely dissociate these two abnormalities.If we put a good copy of the dopamine receptor backin this elliptical structure called the central complex,the flies are no longer hyperactive, but they still can't learn.On the other hand, if we put the receptor back in a different structurecalled the mushroom body,the learning deficit is rescued, the flies learn well,but they're still hyperactive.What that tells us is that dopamineis not bathing the brain of these flies like soup.Rather, it's acting to control two different functionson two different circuits,so the reason there are two things wrong with our dopamine receptor fliesis that the same receptor is controlling two different functionsin two different regions of the brain.Whether the same thing is true in ADHD in humanswe don't know, but these kinds of resultsshould at least cause us to consider that possibility.

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So these results make me and my colleagues more convinced than everthat the brain is not a bag of chemical soup,and it's a mistake to try to treat complex psychiatric disordersjust by changing the flavor of the soup.What we need to do is to use our ingenuity and our scientific knowledgeto try to design a new generation of treatmentsthat are targeted to specific neurons and specific regions of the brainthat are affected in particular psychiatric disorders.If we can do that, we may be able to cure these disorderswithout the unpleasant side effects,putting the oil back in our mental engines,just where it's needed. Thank you very much.