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Hereford United supporters divided following last night's fans' forum

HEREFORD United is a divided club today - with some of its fans still supporting them, but others saying that they will boycott it.

The Bulls held a fans' forum last night 24 hours before it hosts its first game in the Southern Premier League season.

The majority of the supporters still present at the end of the forum stated that they will go to the game today, but at that stage, many fans had walked out in protest.

"I support the club regardless and everyone who wears the Hereford United shirt," said Ian Hancock.

"We support Hereford United, not the regime, they are just the custodians.

"If Hereford United Supporters Trust had its way, the club would be liquidated and no one would be paid.

"It is devastating what has happened, but Hereford United will rise again."

However, Sam Jones said that he would be boycotting the club.

"I thought in small parts, the panel did ok, but there were a lot of questions that they didn't answer, like the CVA," said Mr Jones.

"They seemed to contadict a lot of things."

Issues over the CVA and failure to pay all football creditors was clearly on the minds of many fans last night.

Former Hereford United employee Leigh Renton is still owed maternity pay and asked United chairman Andy Lonsdale when will she receive it.

However, Mr Lonsdale could only say that it was being handled by the club's accountant Philip Gambrill.

Mr Lonsdale's response clearly caused anger among many people, with a lot venting their fury on our social media pages.

Hereford United legend Chris Price even called it "a disgrace", adding "who do they think they are?"

Mr Lonsdale headed the forum and was assisted by manager Jon Taylor, assistant manager Neil Phelps and directors John Edwards and Elke Thuerlings.

Club advisor Joel Nathan also joined the panel during the forum and said he was pleased how it went.

"Everyone understands that the people coming in are only custodians of the club," said Mr Nathan.

"If the minority want to liquidate the club, the club will be dead.

"The forum showed that there is a level of support.

"It is all about the football and moving forward."

Mr Nathan added that he expects around 500-600 fans to go the to game against St Neots Town today, but fully expects that others will protest outside the ground.

"As long as it is peaceful and it does not obstruct what we are doing, then everyone has a right to air their view," he said.

"It shows that they care avout the club."

Majority shareholder Tommy Agombar was not present, but Mr Lonsdale did say that he is due to be at the game today.

Five of Hereford's new players - captain Luis Morrison-Derbyshire, Deqwon Ebanks, Bilal Yafai, Jordan Jivanda and new signing Sam Akinde - also joined the front table and the club's home kit was unveiled.

However, the new strip does not contain a sponsor after Cargill pulled out and it will not have the players' names on the back for today's game.

United's new safety officer Julia Sawyer - of J.S. Sawyer Consultancy - was also present, with the forum being chaired by events and bar manager Gail Gibbons.

There will be a 16-page match programme today costing £2, while admission will be £10.

However, Ms Gibbons admitted that the club has experienced problems printing tickets for the game, while Mr Edwards said that no season tickets had been sold, despite the club previously advertising them.

The programme does not feature any comments from Mr Lonsdale or Mr Agombar.

However directors Mr Edwards and Ms Elkings do admit that there has been poor communication at the club and ask fans to "bear with us".

The directors also joke about Mr Agombar's "I'm a football man...all day long" quip in their notes and say they have been researching the history of the club.

The programme also includes notes from the manager, who says that he is extremely happy with how pre-season has gone.

Today will be the first opportunity for Bulls fans to see the players at Edgar Street due to the club only being granted a safety certificate on Thursday.

Mr Taylor was clearly only at the forum to discuss football matters, but did admit that he had been in the estate agency business.

The Hereford Times understands that he is also a former director of two property companies in Bedfordshire.

The Hereford Times told him that many fans are worried about the future of the Edgar Street ground with the threat of redevelopment hanging over it.

However, Mr Taylor said that he did not understand the relevance of it and questiioned whether he was being called a builder.

The former Banbury United assistant-manager will have a tough ask today against bookies' favourites St Neots Town.

Mr Lonsdale thinks the team can get promoted, despite being deducted 10 points once it goes into a CVA.

The assistant manager, Neil Phelps, also admitted that his only football experience is at grass-roots level.

What will happen today? Follow all the action both inside and outside the ground via our various formats.

Comments

B the B
10:56am Sat 9 Aug 14

Granted these owners have made a pigs ear of things but now its time to support HUFC, All I want is to see united back where they belong, I don't give a monkeys about the owners. Yes they should've paid the debts that Keyte created but if united go bust then no one gets a penny.

keyte

Granted these owners have made a pigs ear of things but now its time to support HUFC, All I want is to see united back where they belong, I don't give a monkeys about the owners. Yes they should've paid the debts that Keyte created but if united go bust then no one gets a penny.
keyteB the B

Granted these owners have made a pigs ear of things but now its time to support HUFC, All I want is to see united back where they belong, I don't give a monkeys about the owners. Yes they should've paid the debts that Keyte created but if united go bust then no one gets a penny.

keyte

Score: 2

Cendrick Smemt
11:31am Sat 9 Aug 14

I don't want to see the club fold either. But morally, it is very important that the creditors are paid. Until then, I don't feel I can go to Edgar Street.

While HUST boycott home matches, they should also attend the away matches in force and support the team. That would show the board that they are not against the club itself. It would also ease the situation for the current players, who have been thrown into a horrible situation through no fault of their own.

Trouble is, I get the impression that some vocal supporters just want the club to fold, full stop.

I don't want to see the club fold either. But morally, it is very important that the creditors are paid. Until then, I don't feel I can go to Edgar Street.
While HUST boycott home matches, they should also attend the away matches in force and support the team. That would show the board that they are not against the club itself. It would also ease the situation for the current players, who have been thrown into a horrible situation through no fault of their own.
Trouble is, I get the impression that some vocal supporters just want the club to fold, full stop.Cendrick Smemt

I don't want to see the club fold either. But morally, it is very important that the creditors are paid. Until then, I don't feel I can go to Edgar Street.

While HUST boycott home matches, they should also attend the away matches in force and support the team. That would show the board that they are not against the club itself. It would also ease the situation for the current players, who have been thrown into a horrible situation through no fault of their own.

Trouble is, I get the impression that some vocal supporters just want the club to fold, full stop.

Score: 8

bobby47
12:03pm Sat 9 Aug 14

Well I attended last night and listened. I observed the panel sat there and I couldn't help but pity them. All, without exception were in a distressed state and all were simply frightened of the circumstances they've all helped bring about.
As for us the audience, well that was equally pitiful. People were angry, people were sad and people were heartbroken that we are where we are.
Blame? Well the new regime have certainly been economical with the truth, their cognizance of the importance of 'managing information' is something that they'll forever regret and this scab that they've created fir themselves will take a long time to disappear.
As for us, the supporters and audience, well we've collectively chosen to aim the whole bucket of phlegm at 'them' rather than reflect and consider that had we not experience the last eighteen months of angst and pain, perhaps we'd have been a little more forgiving toward them.
As for the communication side of things, well it's just as much a cultural thing as anything else. In London, it's Blags, jags and a Million F.ags and they all exaggerate their abilities to win favour. It's the way of things in London and its this that's brought about the huge mistrust that now exists between 'us' and 'them'. Course, on the other hand we choose to be intolerant because of what's happened, we choose to forget that we wouldn't want to lose half a million quid and round and round we go ripping one another to shreds.
Truthfully, we are exactly where we are and continuing as we are will destroy us and destroy them.
I watched young Neil Phelps and the young players last night and you'd be a heartless sort if you didn't think of them and how they were feeling.
Frankly, this anger, dislike, mistrust and frustration only serves to destroy any good that still remains within Edgar Street and I say, it's now time to stop. Simply Stop! Nothing else. Nothing of good can be achieved anymore and we should all gradually come to terms with this, wander back through the turnstiles and support these kids who've been passed the responsibility of representing our Club.
Course, I know that most will now disagree with me. Before I attended the meeting I didn't think and feel as I do now but I endow changed my mind and concluded that we are where we are and there's no turning the clock back.
My warmest regards.

Well I attended last night and listened. I observed the panel sat there and I couldn't help but pity them. All, without exception were in a distressed state and all were simply frightened of the circumstances they've all helped bring about.
As for us the audience, well that was equally pitiful. People were angry, people were sad and people were heartbroken that we are where we are.
Blame? Well the new regime have certainly been economical with the truth, their cognizance of the importance of 'managing information' is something that they'll forever regret and this scab that they've created fir themselves will take a long time to disappear.
As for us, the supporters and audience, well we've collectively chosen to aim the whole bucket of phlegm at 'them' rather than reflect and consider that had we not experience the last eighteen months of angst and pain, perhaps we'd have been a little more forgiving toward them.
As for the communication side of things, well it's just as much a cultural thing as anything else. In London, it's Blags, jags and a Million F.ags and they all exaggerate their abilities to win favour. It's the way of things in London and its this that's brought about the huge mistrust that now exists between 'us' and 'them'. Course, on the other hand we choose to be intolerant because of what's happened, we choose to forget that we wouldn't want to lose half a million quid and round and round we go ripping one another to shreds.
Truthfully, we are exactly where we are and continuing as we are will destroy us and destroy them.
I watched young Neil Phelps and the young players last night and you'd be a heartless sort if you didn't think of them and how they were feeling.
Frankly, this anger, dislike, mistrust and frustration only serves to destroy any good that still remains within Edgar Street and I say, it's now time to stop. Simply Stop! Nothing else. Nothing of good can be achieved anymore and we should all gradually come to terms with this, wander back through the turnstiles and support these kids who've been passed the responsibility of representing our Club.
Course, I know that most will now disagree with me. Before I attended the meeting I didn't think and feel as I do now but I endow changed my mind and concluded that we are where we are and there's no turning the clock back.
My warmest regards.bobby47

Well I attended last night and listened. I observed the panel sat there and I couldn't help but pity them. All, without exception were in a distressed state and all were simply frightened of the circumstances they've all helped bring about.
As for us the audience, well that was equally pitiful. People were angry, people were sad and people were heartbroken that we are where we are.
Blame? Well the new regime have certainly been economical with the truth, their cognizance of the importance of 'managing information' is something that they'll forever regret and this scab that they've created fir themselves will take a long time to disappear.
As for us, the supporters and audience, well we've collectively chosen to aim the whole bucket of phlegm at 'them' rather than reflect and consider that had we not experience the last eighteen months of angst and pain, perhaps we'd have been a little more forgiving toward them.
As for the communication side of things, well it's just as much a cultural thing as anything else. In London, it's Blags, jags and a Million F.ags and they all exaggerate their abilities to win favour. It's the way of things in London and its this that's brought about the huge mistrust that now exists between 'us' and 'them'. Course, on the other hand we choose to be intolerant because of what's happened, we choose to forget that we wouldn't want to lose half a million quid and round and round we go ripping one another to shreds.
Truthfully, we are exactly where we are and continuing as we are will destroy us and destroy them.
I watched young Neil Phelps and the young players last night and you'd be a heartless sort if you didn't think of them and how they were feeling.
Frankly, this anger, dislike, mistrust and frustration only serves to destroy any good that still remains within Edgar Street and I say, it's now time to stop. Simply Stop! Nothing else. Nothing of good can be achieved anymore and we should all gradually come to terms with this, wander back through the turnstiles and support these kids who've been passed the responsibility of representing our Club.
Course, I know that most will now disagree with me. Before I attended the meeting I didn't think and feel as I do now but I endow changed my mind and concluded that we are where we are and there's no turning the clock back.
My warmest regards.

Score: 2

Mr.Herefordian
12:25pm Sat 9 Aug 14

Well it's nice that the club can rely on Cargill when the going gets tough.

Well it's nice that the club can rely on Cargill when the going gets tough.Mr.Herefordian

Well it's nice that the club can rely on Cargill when the going gets tough.

Score: -2

AylestoneVoice
12:43pm Sat 9 Aug 14

Bobby - much of what you write, as you know, drives me crazy. But I have to say that here you have hit the nail firmly on the head. I don't agree with how they have gone about their business to clear up the mess left by Keyte but this is our club and we should not abandon those trying/playing to restore its pride

Bobby - much of what you write, as you know, drives me crazy. But I have to say that here you have hit the nail firmly on the head. I don't agree with how they have gone about their business to clear up the mess left by Keyte but this is our club and we should not abandon those trying/playing to restore its prideAylestoneVoice

Bobby - much of what you write, as you know, drives me crazy. But I have to say that here you have hit the nail firmly on the head. I don't agree with how they have gone about their business to clear up the mess left by Keyte but this is our club and we should not abandon those trying/playing to restore its pride

Score: 5

Hereford is me
1:42pm Sat 9 Aug 14

I agree that they way they have gone about things has been sloppy but I can't see that boycotting the club is going to help anyone.

The simple truth of the matter seems to be that they have bought the club cheap and don't have the money to clear the debt. If they had the money they wouldn't have dropped out of the conference or be agreeing a deal to pay outstanding debts based on future earnings.

Seems to me that there are two simple choices:
1. Go and support HUFC and hope that your support helps the club continue.
2. Don't go and support them, they go bankrupt, nobody gets paid and maybe someone can start up a new club.

Really sorry that it has come to this but we are where we are!

I agree that they way they have gone about things has been sloppy but I can't see that boycotting the club is going to help anyone.
The simple truth of the matter seems to be that they have bought the club cheap and don't have the money to clear the debt. If they had the money they wouldn't have dropped out of the conference or be agreeing a deal to pay outstanding debts based on future earnings.
Seems to me that there are two simple choices:
1. Go and support HUFC and hope that your support helps the club continue.
2. Don't go and support them, they go bankrupt, nobody gets paid and maybe someone can start up a new club.
Really sorry that it has come to this but we are where we are!Hereford is me

I agree that they way they have gone about things has been sloppy but I can't see that boycotting the club is going to help anyone.

The simple truth of the matter seems to be that they have bought the club cheap and don't have the money to clear the debt. If they had the money they wouldn't have dropped out of the conference or be agreeing a deal to pay outstanding debts based on future earnings.

Seems to me that there are two simple choices:
1. Go and support HUFC and hope that your support helps the club continue.
2. Don't go and support them, they go bankrupt, nobody gets paid and maybe someone can start up a new club.

Really sorry that it has come to this but we are where we are!

Score: 3

Cendrick Smemt
2:51pm Sat 9 Aug 14

The comments seem far more balanced on this one. Did the meeting actually bring about a change of heart in some people, then?

The comments seem far more balanced on this one. Did the meeting actually bring about a change of heart in some people, then?Cendrick Smemt

The comments seem far more balanced on this one. Did the meeting actually bring about a change of heart in some people, then?

Score: 3

Chipper Dinosaur
9:47pm Sat 9 Aug 14

This would be hilarious if it were not so sad. The fans' forum was a cynical manipulation. Of course the fans will have more empathy with the regime if they see them in person.

Go back in time to that April day at Aldershot. Imagine if someone told you that evening HUFC would be in the Southern league playing St Neot with a half-baked squad. You wouldn't accept it, would you?

In five years' time when this regime have made off with the loot, you will look back at how easily you were suckered and cringe.

Ask yourself, what is their motivation for owning the club?

This would be hilarious if it were not so sad. The fans' forum was a cynical manipulation. Of course the fans will have more empathy with the regime if they see them in person.
Go back in time to that April day at Aldershot. Imagine if someone told you that evening HUFC would be in the Southern league playing St Neot with a half-baked squad. You wouldn't accept it, would you?
In five years' time when this regime have made off with the loot, you will look back at how easily you were suckered and cringe.
Ask yourself, what is their motivation for owning the club?Chipper Dinosaur

This would be hilarious if it were not so sad. The fans' forum was a cynical manipulation. Of course the fans will have more empathy with the regime if they see them in person.

Go back in time to that April day at Aldershot. Imagine if someone told you that evening HUFC would be in the Southern league playing St Neot with a half-baked squad. You wouldn't accept it, would you?

In five years' time when this regime have made off with the loot, you will look back at how easily you were suckered and cringe.

Ask yourself, what is their motivation for owning the club?

Score: 1

Brownface60
10:39pm Sat 9 Aug 14

Chipper Dinosaur wrote…

This would be hilarious if it were not so sad. The fans' forum was a cynical manipulation. Of course the fans will have more empathy with the regime if they see them in person.

Go back in time to that April day at Aldershot. Imagine if someone told you that evening HUFC would be in the Southern league playing St Neot with a half-baked squad. You wouldn't accept it, would you?

In five years' time when this regime have made off with the loot, you will look back at how easily you were suckered and cringe.

Ask yourself, what is their motivation for owning the club?

It's all about the leases. Consider the involvements of the various people with property development - including, of course, waste disposal! People with no connection with this area can predict making lots of wonga from the locals.

[quote][p][bold]Chipper Dinosaur[/bold] wrote:
This would be hilarious if it were not so sad. The fans' forum was a cynical manipulation. Of course the fans will have more empathy with the regime if they see them in person.
Go back in time to that April day at Aldershot. Imagine if someone told you that evening HUFC would be in the Southern league playing St Neot with a half-baked squad. You wouldn't accept it, would you?
In five years' time when this regime have made off with the loot, you will look back at how easily you were suckered and cringe.
Ask yourself, what is their motivation for owning the club?[/p][/quote]It's all about the leases. Consider the involvements of the various people with property development - including, of course, waste disposal! People with no connection with this area can predict making lots of wonga from the locals.Brownface60

Chipper Dinosaur wrote…

This would be hilarious if it were not so sad. The fans' forum was a cynical manipulation. Of course the fans will have more empathy with the regime if they see them in person.

Go back in time to that April day at Aldershot. Imagine if someone told you that evening HUFC would be in the Southern league playing St Neot with a half-baked squad. You wouldn't accept it, would you?

In five years' time when this regime have made off with the loot, you will look back at how easily you were suckered and cringe.

Ask yourself, what is their motivation for owning the club?

It's all about the leases. Consider the involvements of the various people with property development - including, of course, waste disposal! People with no connection with this area can predict making lots of wonga from the locals.

Score: 3

bobby47
10:52pm Sat 9 Aug 14

Hello Chipper, they all got slaughtered mate. There was no manipulation that made me change my mind. If they set out to manipulate, which is a perfectly natural course to take, they failed. I repeat, they got a kicking.
I've changed my mind because 'we've no longer got any cards to play' and when you've got no cards you've gotta reach a point where you throw all the old arguments to the wind, take a punt and hope for the best.
Today, five hundred set foot in the stadium and supported these kids. Next home game the numbers will grow and within a few months it'll be up to a thousand. In the meantime, we all get angrier, eaten up with mistrust, the kids who are playing continue to feel the pressure that 'we' have helped to create and it'll ruin them and get us nowhere but trapped in a cycle of spite that's of no help to our Club.
No! This is becoming a pointless exercise in anger. It's happened. It's done. There's no quick return to where we once were and so we go back to doing what we once did. Support our Club through thick and the very thin and we do it sooner rather than later before more harm is done to our Club.

Hello Chipper, they all got slaughtered mate. There was no manipulation that made me change my mind. If they set out to manipulate, which is a perfectly natural course to take, they failed. I repeat, they got a kicking.
I've changed my mind because 'we've no longer got any cards to play' and when you've got no cards you've gotta reach a point where you throw all the old arguments to the wind, take a punt and hope for the best.
Today, five hundred set foot in the stadium and supported these kids. Next home game the numbers will grow and within a few months it'll be up to a thousand. In the meantime, we all get angrier, eaten up with mistrust, the kids who are playing continue to feel the pressure that 'we' have helped to create and it'll ruin them and get us nowhere but trapped in a cycle of spite that's of no help to our Club.
No! This is becoming a pointless exercise in anger. It's happened. It's done. There's no quick return to where we once were and so we go back to doing what we once did. Support our Club through thick and the very thin and we do it sooner rather than later before more harm is done to our Club.bobby47

Hello Chipper, they all got slaughtered mate. There was no manipulation that made me change my mind. If they set out to manipulate, which is a perfectly natural course to take, they failed. I repeat, they got a kicking.
I've changed my mind because 'we've no longer got any cards to play' and when you've got no cards you've gotta reach a point where you throw all the old arguments to the wind, take a punt and hope for the best.
Today, five hundred set foot in the stadium and supported these kids. Next home game the numbers will grow and within a few months it'll be up to a thousand. In the meantime, we all get angrier, eaten up with mistrust, the kids who are playing continue to feel the pressure that 'we' have helped to create and it'll ruin them and get us nowhere but trapped in a cycle of spite that's of no help to our Club.
No! This is becoming a pointless exercise in anger. It's happened. It's done. There's no quick return to where we once were and so we go back to doing what we once did. Support our Club through thick and the very thin and we do it sooner rather than later before more harm is done to our Club.

Score: 1

Chipper Dinosaur
11:10pm Sat 9 Aug 14

Bobby47 I respectfully disagree.Thick and thin? 'Thin' is drawing at home to Brighton and leaving the league on goal difference; thin is nine years in the Conference. What's happening right now ain't thin. It's deceit, betrayal and extortion. I have not, and will not be swayed.

Bobby47 I respectfully disagree.Thick and thin? 'Thin' is drawing at home to Brighton and leaving the league on goal difference; thin is nine years in the Conference. What's happening right now ain't thin. It's deceit, betrayal and extortion. I have not, and will not be swayed.Chipper Dinosaur

Bobby47 I respectfully disagree.Thick and thin? 'Thin' is drawing at home to Brighton and leaving the league on goal difference; thin is nine years in the Conference. What's happening right now ain't thin. It's deceit, betrayal and extortion. I have not, and will not be swayed.

Score: -4

Chipper Dinosaur
8:36pm Sun 10 Aug 14

If this is way people really feel then I'm finished with Hereford. I won't give in and fill those cowboys' pockets.

If this is way people really feel then I'm finished with Hereford. I won't give in and fill those cowboys' pockets.Chipper Dinosaur

If this is way people really feel then I'm finished with Hereford. I won't give in and fill those cowboys' pockets.

Score: -1

Densell
7:35pm Sun 10 Aug 14

I would say to those that want the club to effectively default on the remaining creditors and go into liquidation so that a new club can rise out of the ashes - do you not think you are being selfish? What if you were one of those creditors who were owed hundreds, possibly thousands of pounds and if you did not receive this money you could end up bankrupt, possibly lose your business, your livelihood, your house, all so a few hundred people can have the football team they want? The situation is what it is. If Agombar and the rest of them end up developing the ends of the grounds and making money out of it then the blame for that will ultimately sit with Hereford council who insist that the lease conditions say that any money made from development must be reinvested in the club. I think HUST have made their view and clear and now it is time to support the club. Make the club a success so Agombar can recover his money and he will no doubt sell on the club, hopefully to someone the fans would view more favourably.

I would say to those that want the club to effectively default on the remaining creditors and go into liquidation so that a new club can rise out of the ashes - do you not think you are being selfish? What if you were one of those creditors who were owed hundreds, possibly thousands of pounds and if you did not receive this money you could end up bankrupt, possibly lose your business, your livelihood, your house, all so a few hundred people can have the football team they want? The situation is what it is. If Agombar and the rest of them end up developing the ends of the grounds and making money out of it then the blame for that will ultimately sit with Hereford council who insist that the lease conditions say that any money made from development must be reinvested in the club. I think HUST have made their view and clear and now it is time to support the club. Make the club a success so Agombar can recover his money and he will no doubt sell on the club, hopefully to someone the fans would view more favourably.Densell

I would say to those that want the club to effectively default on the remaining creditors and go into liquidation so that a new club can rise out of the ashes - do you not think you are being selfish? What if you were one of those creditors who were owed hundreds, possibly thousands of pounds and if you did not receive this money you could end up bankrupt, possibly lose your business, your livelihood, your house, all so a few hundred people can have the football team they want? The situation is what it is. If Agombar and the rest of them end up developing the ends of the grounds and making money out of it then the blame for that will ultimately sit with Hereford council who insist that the lease conditions say that any money made from development must be reinvested in the club. I think HUST have made their view and clear and now it is time to support the club. Make the club a success so Agombar can recover his money and he will no doubt sell on the club, hopefully to someone the fans would view more favourably.

Score: 5

bobby47
9:09pm Sun 10 Aug 14

Chipper, Your clearly a good lad. Think on this. If you are able to, put aside all the false statements that have been made by a number of people involved in this sad chapter in our Clubs history and ponder this!
T'other day Mr Agomba stupidly left his seat and entered the Technical Area. Why do this? He either did it because after one single game he wanted to undermine his recently appointed Manager or, because of the emotion of the day, he lost all self control and keen to see our Club do well and show the fans that he did care he did something that a proprietor should never do. This was no stunt. The man was desperate for our team to win!
I choose to believe it was the latter. Whether or not Mr Agomba is right for our Club only time will tell and as I've said before, it's going to take a long time for this 'scab' to heal itself, but, at the very least the man has displayed some genuine emotion and that's no small thing kiddo.
Truthfully my friend, we are completely knackered and I've resigned myself to an uncertain future supporting Hereford United but staying away and cutting my nose off to spite my fat face ain't going to be of any help and so I say, 'let's take a leap of faith and hope and return to the ground and support the kids who've chosen to join our turbulent Club.
At the very least my friend, it'll be interesting to see what fate has in store for us and it'll be good to witness all these teams journeying to our City to play the legendary Hereford United.
My warmest regards to you.

Chipper, Your clearly a good lad. Think on this. If you are able to, put aside all the false statements that have been made by a number of people involved in this sad chapter in our Clubs history and ponder this!
T'other day Mr Agomba stupidly left his seat and entered the Technical Area. Why do this? He either did it because after one single game he wanted to undermine his recently appointed Manager or, because of the emotion of the day, he lost all self control and keen to see our Club do well and show the fans that he did care he did something that a proprietor should never do. This was no stunt. The man was desperate for our team to win!
I choose to believe it was the latter. Whether or not Mr Agomba is right for our Club only time will tell and as I've said before, it's going to take a long time for this 'scab' to heal itself, but, at the very least the man has displayed some genuine emotion and that's no small thing kiddo.
Truthfully my friend, we are completely knackered and I've resigned myself to an uncertain future supporting Hereford United but staying away and cutting my nose off to spite my fat face ain't going to be of any help and so I say, 'let's take a leap of faith and hope and return to the ground and support the kids who've chosen to join our turbulent Club.
At the very least my friend, it'll be interesting to see what fate has in store for us and it'll be good to witness all these teams journeying to our City to play the legendary Hereford United.
My warmest regards to you.bobby47

Chipper, Your clearly a good lad. Think on this. If you are able to, put aside all the false statements that have been made by a number of people involved in this sad chapter in our Clubs history and ponder this!
T'other day Mr Agomba stupidly left his seat and entered the Technical Area. Why do this? He either did it because after one single game he wanted to undermine his recently appointed Manager or, because of the emotion of the day, he lost all self control and keen to see our Club do well and show the fans that he did care he did something that a proprietor should never do. This was no stunt. The man was desperate for our team to win!
I choose to believe it was the latter. Whether or not Mr Agomba is right for our Club only time will tell and as I've said before, it's going to take a long time for this 'scab' to heal itself, but, at the very least the man has displayed some genuine emotion and that's no small thing kiddo.
Truthfully my friend, we are completely knackered and I've resigned myself to an uncertain future supporting Hereford United but staying away and cutting my nose off to spite my fat face ain't going to be of any help and so I say, 'let's take a leap of faith and hope and return to the ground and support the kids who've chosen to join our turbulent Club.
At the very least my friend, it'll be interesting to see what fate has in store for us and it'll be good to witness all these teams journeying to our City to play the legendary Hereford United.
My warmest regards to you.

Score: 2

littlewhitebull
11:37am Mon 11 Aug 14

bobby47 wrote…

Chipper, Your clearly a good lad. Think on this. If you are able to, put aside all the false statements that have been made by a number of people involved in this sad chapter in our Clubs history and ponder this!
T'other day Mr Agomba stupidly left his seat and entered the Technical Area. Why do this? He either did it because after one single game he wanted to undermine his recently appointed Manager or, because of the emotion of the day, he lost all self control and keen to see our Club do well and show the fans that he did care he did something that a proprietor should never do. This was no stunt. The man was desperate for our team to win!
I choose to believe it was the latter. Whether or not Mr Agomba is right for our Club only time will tell and as I've said before, it's going to take a long time for this 'scab' to heal itself, but, at the very least the man has displayed some genuine emotion and that's no small thing kiddo.
Truthfully my friend, we are completely knackered and I've resigned myself to an uncertain future supporting Hereford United but staying away and cutting my nose off to spite my fat face ain't going to be of any help and so I say, 'let's take a leap of faith and hope and return to the ground and support the kids who've chosen to join our turbulent Club.
At the very least my friend, it'll be interesting to see what fate has in store for us and it'll be good to witness all these teams journeying to our City to play the legendary Hereford United.
My warmest regards to you.

Bobby, old pal. I can agree with much of what you say - and also that of other supporters who have a contrary view. Why? Because I am torn in two about the present situation. I really feel between the devil and the deep blue sea.
My Dad first took me to Edgar street in the 1957-58 season. I have been going ever since. I've seen good times and bad times, but I have never deserted my home team.
I didn't attend on Saturday because I couldn't make up my mind as to what was better: a silent protest, or attend reluctantly.
The debts were created by David Keyte's reign - no doubt there.
When I heard a new owner would come in and save the club, I was relieved. Tommy Agombar promised to clear the debts and wanted United back in the Football League as soon as possible. Good news! Oh dear, that was a false hope.
Apparently, the debts were much greater than first thought. The published list of creditors was a big surprise to me. Yes, Agombar appeared to be correct - over a million pounds owed.
Now, a business man of any real acumen (to my mind) would not buy any holding until his finance people had examined books thoroughly to assess the full extent of debts, and the provisions needed to clear said debts. So why make promises before such remedies had been explored? That does not make any business sense. Buy a club for a few bob and be saddled with 'unknown' debts is a recipe for disaster, and is not in the good business management guide book.
The club was saved from relegation on the final day at Aldershot, but now found itself demoted, not one division, but two.
All players and staff left the club - many were owed money, and many wanted no part of the new regime. Pre-season friendlies became a farcical situation. Larger clubs pulled out, smaller clubs wanted nothing to do with United, and local clubs voiced concern about how players and staff were treated and would not play the new United.
Information was sparse - it was difficult to get at the truth. Indeed, many people were fed information that was economical with regard to truth.
The appointment of a 'safety team' at midnight, prior to the day of inspection for a safety certificate by the council, fire brigade and police, was an amazing situation. At one stage it appeared that the end of this great club was fast approaching.
We were told that the owner, advisors, etc, were football people through and through. But the approach seemed amateur at best, and the public relations situation was a complete farce - a real disaster.
I don't want my club/our club to cease to exist. I want the creditors to be paid - liquidation would negate this situation.
Would a phoenix club be a good option? I really don't know.
If the CVA is accepted will United be deducted points?
The situation is a mess.
Will I return to Edgar Street to continue into my 58th year of support? I don't know.
Sorry to rant on and pose questions without answers. I fully respect both sides of the argument and have read all comments with great interest.

[quote][p][bold]bobby47[/bold] wrote:
Chipper, Your clearly a good lad. Think on this. If you are able to, put aside all the false statements that have been made by a number of people involved in this sad chapter in our Clubs history and ponder this!
T'other day Mr Agomba stupidly left his seat and entered the Technical Area. Why do this? He either did it because after one single game he wanted to undermine his recently appointed Manager or, because of the emotion of the day, he lost all self control and keen to see our Club do well and show the fans that he did care he did something that a proprietor should never do. This was no stunt. The man was desperate for our team to win!
I choose to believe it was the latter. Whether or not Mr Agomba is right for our Club only time will tell and as I've said before, it's going to take a long time for this 'scab' to heal itself, but, at the very least the man has displayed some genuine emotion and that's no small thing kiddo.
Truthfully my friend, we are completely knackered and I've resigned myself to an uncertain future supporting Hereford United but staying away and cutting my nose off to spite my fat face ain't going to be of any help and so I say, 'let's take a leap of faith and hope and return to the ground and support the kids who've chosen to join our turbulent Club.
At the very least my friend, it'll be interesting to see what fate has in store for us and it'll be good to witness all these teams journeying to our City to play the legendary Hereford United.
My warmest regards to you.[/p][/quote]Bobby, old pal. I can agree with much of what you say - and also that of other supporters who have a contrary view. Why? Because I am torn in two about the present situation. I really feel between the devil and the deep blue sea.
My Dad first took me to Edgar street in the 1957-58 season. I have been going ever since. I've seen good times and bad times, but I have never deserted my home team.
I didn't attend on Saturday because I couldn't make up my mind as to what was better: a silent protest, or attend reluctantly.
The debts were created by David Keyte's reign - no doubt there.
When I heard a new owner would come in and save the club, I was relieved. Tommy Agombar promised to clear the debts and wanted United back in the Football League as soon as possible. Good news! Oh dear, that was a false hope.
Apparently, the debts were much greater than first thought. The published list of creditors was a big surprise to me. Yes, Agombar appeared to be correct - over a million pounds owed.
Now, a business man of any real acumen (to my mind) would not buy any holding until his finance people had examined books thoroughly to assess the full extent of debts, and the provisions needed to clear said debts. So why make promises before such remedies had been explored? That does not make any business sense. Buy a club for a few bob and be saddled with 'unknown' debts is a recipe for disaster, and is not in the good business management guide book.
The club was saved from relegation on the final day at Aldershot, but now found itself demoted, not one division, but two.
All players and staff left the club - many were owed money, and many wanted no part of the new regime. Pre-season friendlies became a farcical situation. Larger clubs pulled out, smaller clubs wanted nothing to do with United, and local clubs voiced concern about how players and staff were treated and would not play the new United.
Information was sparse - it was difficult to get at the truth. Indeed, many people were fed information that was economical with regard to truth.
The appointment of a 'safety team' at midnight, prior to the day of inspection for a safety certificate by the council, fire brigade and police, was an amazing situation. At one stage it appeared that the end of this great club was fast approaching.
We were told that the owner, advisors, etc, were football people through and through. But the approach seemed amateur at best, and the public relations situation was a complete farce - a real disaster.
I don't want my club/our club to cease to exist. I want the creditors to be paid - liquidation would negate this situation.
Would a phoenix club be a good option? I really don't know.
If the CVA is accepted will United be deducted points?
The situation is a mess.
Will I return to Edgar Street to continue into my 58th year of support? I don't know.
Sorry to rant on and pose questions without answers. I fully respect both sides of the argument and have read all comments with great interest.littlewhitebull

bobby47 wrote…

Chipper, Your clearly a good lad. Think on this. If you are able to, put aside all the false statements that have been made by a number of people involved in this sad chapter in our Clubs history and ponder this!
T'other day Mr Agomba stupidly left his seat and entered the Technical Area. Why do this? He either did it because after one single game he wanted to undermine his recently appointed Manager or, because of the emotion of the day, he lost all self control and keen to see our Club do well and show the fans that he did care he did something that a proprietor should never do. This was no stunt. The man was desperate for our team to win!
I choose to believe it was the latter. Whether or not Mr Agomba is right for our Club only time will tell and as I've said before, it's going to take a long time for this 'scab' to heal itself, but, at the very least the man has displayed some genuine emotion and that's no small thing kiddo.
Truthfully my friend, we are completely knackered and I've resigned myself to an uncertain future supporting Hereford United but staying away and cutting my nose off to spite my fat face ain't going to be of any help and so I say, 'let's take a leap of faith and hope and return to the ground and support the kids who've chosen to join our turbulent Club.
At the very least my friend, it'll be interesting to see what fate has in store for us and it'll be good to witness all these teams journeying to our City to play the legendary Hereford United.
My warmest regards to you.

Bobby, old pal. I can agree with much of what you say - and also that of other supporters who have a contrary view. Why? Because I am torn in two about the present situation. I really feel between the devil and the deep blue sea.
My Dad first took me to Edgar street in the 1957-58 season. I have been going ever since. I've seen good times and bad times, but I have never deserted my home team.
I didn't attend on Saturday because I couldn't make up my mind as to what was better: a silent protest, or attend reluctantly.
The debts were created by David Keyte's reign - no doubt there.
When I heard a new owner would come in and save the club, I was relieved. Tommy Agombar promised to clear the debts and wanted United back in the Football League as soon as possible. Good news! Oh dear, that was a false hope.
Apparently, the debts were much greater than first thought. The published list of creditors was a big surprise to me. Yes, Agombar appeared to be correct - over a million pounds owed.
Now, a business man of any real acumen (to my mind) would not buy any holding until his finance people had examined books thoroughly to assess the full extent of debts, and the provisions needed to clear said debts. So why make promises before such remedies had been explored? That does not make any business sense. Buy a club for a few bob and be saddled with 'unknown' debts is a recipe for disaster, and is not in the good business management guide book.
The club was saved from relegation on the final day at Aldershot, but now found itself demoted, not one division, but two.
All players and staff left the club - many were owed money, and many wanted no part of the new regime. Pre-season friendlies became a farcical situation. Larger clubs pulled out, smaller clubs wanted nothing to do with United, and local clubs voiced concern about how players and staff were treated and would not play the new United.
Information was sparse - it was difficult to get at the truth. Indeed, many people were fed information that was economical with regard to truth.
The appointment of a 'safety team' at midnight, prior to the day of inspection for a safety certificate by the council, fire brigade and police, was an amazing situation. At one stage it appeared that the end of this great club was fast approaching.
We were told that the owner, advisors, etc, were football people through and through. But the approach seemed amateur at best, and the public relations situation was a complete farce - a real disaster.
I don't want my club/our club to cease to exist. I want the creditors to be paid - liquidation would negate this situation.
Would a phoenix club be a good option? I really don't know.
If the CVA is accepted will United be deducted points?
The situation is a mess.
Will I return to Edgar Street to continue into my 58th year of support? I don't know.
Sorry to rant on and pose questions without answers. I fully respect both sides of the argument and have read all comments with great interest.

Score: 7

SonyaB
5:01pm Tue 12 Aug 14

I still find something unsavoury about the fact that David Keyte, a solicitor, sold the club to a convicted criminal. However, we are where we are.

The creditors need to make the best decision for themselves regarding the CVA as no-one else is going to look after them.

Regarding support of the team, I see no reason at all for anyone who can travel not to support the team at away games. I think people need to decide for themselves if they can stomach going to Edgar Street as they will be on the one hand supporting the team but on the other funding the regime. I also think everyone should respect everyone else's right to choose.

I'm ok with Phoenix club where they are replacing defunct teams (Halifax, Telford, Chester, etc). What I don't like are those "phoenix clubs" set up as a rival to the old club ... that still exists! This happened at Northwich and Enfield and I do not like it at all. I would not want to see that at Hereford.

I still find something unsavoury about the fact that David Keyte, a solicitor, sold the club to a convicted criminal. However, we are where we are.
The creditors need to make the best decision for themselves regarding the CVA as no-one else is going to look after them.
Regarding support of the team, I see no reason at all for anyone who can travel not to support the team at away games. I think people need to decide for themselves if they can stomach going to Edgar Street as they will be on the one hand supporting the team but on the other funding the regime. I also think everyone should respect everyone else's right to choose.
I'm ok with Phoenix club where they are replacing defunct teams (Halifax, Telford, Chester, etc). What I don't like are those "phoenix clubs" set up as a rival to the old club ... that still exists! This happened at Northwich and Enfield and I do not like it at all. I would not want to see that at Hereford.SonyaB

I still find something unsavoury about the fact that David Keyte, a solicitor, sold the club to a convicted criminal. However, we are where we are.

The creditors need to make the best decision for themselves regarding the CVA as no-one else is going to look after them.

Regarding support of the team, I see no reason at all for anyone who can travel not to support the team at away games. I think people need to decide for themselves if they can stomach going to Edgar Street as they will be on the one hand supporting the team but on the other funding the regime. I also think everyone should respect everyone else's right to choose.

I'm ok with Phoenix club where they are replacing defunct teams (Halifax, Telford, Chester, etc). What I don't like are those "phoenix clubs" set up as a rival to the old club ... that still exists! This happened at Northwich and Enfield and I do not like it at all. I would not want to see that at Hereford.

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