This is CNN: White gay man and black woman argue over who is ‘stealing’ the other’s culture

posted at 6:01 pm on July 11, 2014 by Noah Rothman

Israel is preparing to invade Gaza. The president has admitted that there is a “humanitarian crisis” on the southern border. The Internal Revenue Service’s Lois Lerner may have sought to hide documents from congressional investigators. VA whistleblowers testified that they were intimidated and targeted for retaliation by their superiors. And if all of that substantive news isn’t really your thing, LeBron James did something or other today, too.

It is with that backdrop that this painfully silly segment on CNN becomes even more obscenely ridiculous.

On Friday, CNN anchor Don Lemon hosted a heated debate over whether white gay men are “stealing” black female culture. This critically important topic of paramount relevance was brought to you by Time , which did the world a favor by republishing an op-ed in a University of Mississippi newspaper penned by a student.

What I do know is that I don’t care how well you can quote Madea, who told you that your booty was getting bigger than hers, how cute you think it is to call yourself a strong black woman, who taught you to twerk, how funny you think it is to call yourself Quita or Keisha or for which black male you’ve been bottoming — you are not a black woman, and you do not get to claim either blackness or womanhood. It is not yours. It is not for you.

And to think that it was just last week when we were all one nation watching soccer together. Seems like a lifetime ago.

Fortunately, CNN made everything worse on Friday when the network erected an altar to the church of the self where the religion of identity was celebrated in a manner fundamentally incongruous with comity or mutual understanding (h/t @MeredithDake.

You don’t have to watch the segment if you don’t want to. Believe me, I understand. The bottom line is that both of these two guests resent each other because they believe the other is encroaching on and adopting aspects of the other’s sacred identity.

These people appear to be young, and it is possible that no one has yet told them to get over themselves. It is coming. Try to be patient with them in the meantime.

Of course gays get to play sassy black gals. And white rappers like Macklemore and Timerlake can do a modern day minstrel show without a peep of protest as they’re politically correct. Know mmmm sayin’?

So, you aren’t a strong black woman, or a ghetto girl, or any of that other foolery that some of you with trash Vine accounts try to be. It’s okay. You don’t have to be. No one asked you to be. You weren’t ever meant to be. What you can be, however, is part of the solution.

Also from British news cast: the public flips out after Ballroom Dancing association clarifies that official Ballroom Dancing competitions are for pairs consisting of one man and one woman unless otherwise stated.

What I do know is that I don’t care how well you can quote Madea, who told you that your booty was getting bigger than hers, how cute you think it is to call yourself a strong black woman, who taught you to twerk, how funny you think it is to call yourself Quita or Keisha or for which black male you’ve been bottoming — you are not a black woman, and you do not get to claim either blackness or womanhood. It is not yours. It is not for you.

one problem with the mindset of whoever wrote this is that it reduces black women to a stereotype. are you serious??? i don’t act like that. you’re doing us no favors. stop acting like we’re all the same.

the other problem is that she is trying to say that gay men shouldn’t be allowed to act a certain way? wtf. i hate this “cultural appropriation” bs that tries to restrict the way people talk, dress, act, do whatever they want in their lives… oh no, people are only allowed to stay within the boundaries of whatever their culture is!! what an incredibly sad way to look at the world- grouping people by race and culture and then acting like everyone in the group is the same. liberals are so annoying.

What I do know is that I don’t care how well you can quote Madea, who told you that your booty was getting bigger than hers, how cute you think it is to call yourself a strong black woman, who taught you to twerk, how funny you think it is to call yourself Quita or Keisha or for which black male you’ve been bottoming — you are not a black woman, and you do not get to claim either blackness or womanhood. It is not yours. It is not for you.

Gonna have to agree with the black woman. I have seen this with feminine gay men as well who think because they sleep with men; that they somehow can understand what it means to be a woman.

Just because you sleep with men does not mean you get to call me a bi+ch, and certainly doesn’t mean you are a woman or even remotely understand what it is like to be a woman.

What I do know is that I don’t care how well you can quote Madea, who told you that your booty was getting bigger than hers, how cute you think it is to call yourself a strong black woman, who taught you to twerk, how funny you think it is to call yourself Quita or Keisha or for which black male you’ve been bottoming — you are not a black woman, and you do not get to claim either blackness or womanhood. It is not yours. It is not for you.

So that’s what black culture is! Got it. I’m so jealous. To think, I’ve been reading Sophocles and Proust all these years, instead of bottoming for a black male.

Anyway, girlfriend’s just mad the queens are taking their boyfriends away. Doesn’t take much. They learned to prefer gay sex in prison.

Somehow it’s perfectly fine for homosexual men of all stripes to openly mock women (whether in/out of drag) but it’s never okay to mock homosexual men.

I for one have never understood why women find it so endearing when homosexual men imitate them in the most grotesque ways while complaining about the boorish behaviors of heterosexual men.

Homosexual drag isn’t any different than blackface.

The Ugly American on July 11, 2014 at 6:30 PM

yeah i’ve never liked the whole “drag” thing. i never liked the way that (some) gay men act in ways that seem overly “feminine.” i always found it annoying. the thing i hate most is those gay men who talk in that irritating tone of voice like they are trying to imitate a teenage girl or something. it’s on tv a lot. on reality tv, every time you see a gay man, they have that voice… ugggggh

that said, if those people want to act that way then whatever. i may not like it but they can do that if it makes them happy. i dislike the “cultural appropriation” accusations thrown at them for that. still, i was just ranting a bit, because i personally find it annoying. XD and, i know that some gay men dislike it too because it creates a stereotype.

Gonna have to agree with the black woman. I have seen this with feminine gay men as well who think because they sleep with men; that they somehow can understand what it means to be a woman.

Just because you sleep with men does not mean you get to call me a bi+ch, and certainly doesn’t mean you are a woman or even remotely understand what it is like to be a woman.

melle1228 on July 11, 2014 at 6:44 PM

oh yeah, definitely. if you want to act in “feminine” ways just for fun, as a joke, self-aware and self-depreciating, then whatever. (i still think it’s kinda annoying though) but if you seriously try to pretend to be a woman then… no. you’re still a man. okay?

but anyway it’s fun to see social justice warriors fight against each other. white people or cishet people, which group is more privileged?? see this is what happens when you are obsessed with privilege. it gets confusing when you have situations like this.

Just because you sleep with men does not mean you get to call me a bi+ch, and certainly doesn’t mean you are a woman or even remotely understand what it is like to be a woman.

melle1228 on July 11, 2014 at 6:44 PM

Homophobe!

And you need to tell your buddy from Duck Dynasty that his inability to find a man’s an*s (aka his lady parts) attractive is more evidence of his outright hate towards homosexuals. An*s [email protected]…same thing. Get over it.

I wanted to prove I wasn’t a racist homophobe and listen to the gay brother and black sister and I only made it past intros of the simpering gay guy and the angry black diva. They made Lemon a symbol of normalcy both as a gay and black man but I couldn’t take any more.

Of course gays get to play sassy black gals. And white rappers like Macklemore and Timerlake can do a modern day minstrel show without a peep of protest as they’re politically correct. Know mmmm sayin’?

And you need to tell your buddy from Duck Dynasty that his inability to find a man’s an*s (aka his lady parts) attractive is more evidence of his outright hate towards homosexuals. An*s [email protected] thing. Get over it.

CW on July 11, 2014 at 6:55 PM

LOL– When a gay man can shoot a bowling ball out his nose is the day will accept that they are “sistas.”

They should have their own island, “Victim Island” and they should be made to live there. Now that would be a reality show. Imagine if we could get the cannibalism to coincide with sweeps week, It would be a ratings killer.

In televised remarks on Egypt’s Al-Tahrir TV on June 26 and translated into English by the Middle East Media Research Institute, cleric Mazhar Shahin told his viewers that members of the Muslim Brotherhood were engaging in homosexual anal sex acts as a way to “wage jihad in the name of Allah.” It was a “new kind of jihad,” he explained, where “they practice homosexuality with one another, thinking, wrongly, that this constitutes jihad for the sake of Allah.” The acts are sanctioned if the jihadists are far from their wives. He does not explain how engaging in homosexual sex in private furthers the cause of establishing an Islamic caliphate – the goal of most mujahidin – but compares it with “sexual jihad,” an act he describes as when “somebody takes a woman and has sex with her because he is waging jihad.”

Black people can’t have anything. Any of these things include, but aren’t limited to: a general sense of physical safety, comfort with law enforcement, adequate funding and appreciation for black spaces like schools and neighborhoods, appropriate venues for our voices to be heard about criticism of issues without our race going on trial because of it, and solid voting rights (cc: Chris McDaniel).

This part is even worse than what Noah quoted. Black spaces??? Good lord. This girl probably took classes from libfree.

Israel is preparing to invade Gaza. The president has admitted that there is a “humanitarian crisis” on the southern border. The Internal Revenue Service’s Lois Lerner may have sought to hide documents from congressional investigators. VA whistleblowers testified that they were intimidated and targeted for retaliation by their superiors. And if all of that substantive news isn’t really your thing, LeBron James did something or other today, too.

This part is even worse than what Noah quoted. Black spaces??? Good lord. This girl probably took classes from libfree.

DisneyFan on July 11, 2014 at 7:32 PM

I didn’t read Sierra Mannie’s piece. I make it a rule not to read stuff that is based in racial hatred.

But I can guess the context. Predominantly black schools and neighborhoods are supposedly havens of safety for blacks uncomfortable with living among other races. It is the same reasoning why historic black colleges refuse to become colleges. Imagine if a white person made the same case why neighborhoods or schools should be white spaces.

I don’t want anything to do with black people’s culture….if they have one. They can keep it, and if it violates the law I expect them to pay for it in time. Same with my culture, except mine doesn’t involve anything I’d ever go to jail for…

…currently that is, obama still has a couple years to work on that one though.

“All of a sudden Miley Cyrus is the queen of twerking, well that has been happening in black culture for years!”

“when your trying to be cute or funny or gay and you walk up to people saying: hey girl…”

“The non-black people who get to enjoy all the fun things about blackness will never have to experience the ugliness of the black experience, systematic racism and the dangers of simply living while black.”

“You can hide your homosexuality, listen, let me tell you, if I ask people on the screen, if I said, which one of these people on the screen is gay? nobody would know that.”

Just received a disappointing reply from Nancy Pelosi to an email I sent asking for her explanation of the weak response to the border crisis.

She replied ” Rot in hell!!!!!!!! GET OFF MY GODDAMN CASE OR I’LL LITERALLY REPORT YOU FOR EXPLOITATION OF AGENDER & PARASPECIES-TYPE DOLPHINKINS!!!!! NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOUR PATRIARCHIST SMALLFAT OPINION, YOU CISHET-OVERPRIVILEGED TRANSMISOGYNIST!!! I LITERALLY HOPE YOUR ASSHOLE PROLAPSES, YOU WHITE-OVERPRIVILEGED BINARIST!!!!! how often do I have to tell you to respect that I’m literally a foxkin this week!!!!!! I LITERALLY HOPE YOU FUCKING DIE IN A FIRE, YOU BINARY-OVERPRIVILEGED MRA!!!! You can be a multiethnic CAFAB & still have some middle class fucking privilege!!!!!! WHY THE HELL SHOULD I ACCEPT YOUR GODDAMN CREEP OPINION??? Shut up & never reblog my posts ever again.

I haven’t had so many laughs since I can’t remember when. And Noah, thanks for permission NOT to watch this clip. To me, watching CNN is akin to pulling up a lawn chair next to a cesspool and expecting to see anything other than, well, the obvious.