Seems highly unstable to me, kinda like the Great Midwest or the Metro.

Temple

TEMPLE UNIVERSITY
Founded in 1884 by Dr. Russell Conwell, Temple College became Temple University in 1907. Located in Philadelphia, Temple is a comprehensive public research university with 34,000 students, 8 campuses, and 300 academic degree programs. Notable alumni include Bill Cosby and Daryl Hall. Temple's nickname is the Owls and are fellow A10 Conference members.

Hmm, adding Wichita and VCU with us to that group would make an interesting league with Cincy , UConn, Temple, Houston, Memphis, and SMU. I like where we are, but this is worth a sniff. If they can insulate the basketball from the football thing, this could be interesting.

Temple

TEMPLE UNIVERSITY
Founded in 1884 by Dr. Russell Conwell, Temple College became Temple University in 1907. Located in Philadelphia, Temple is a comprehensive public research university with 34,000 students, 8 campuses, and 300 academic degree programs. Notable alumni include Bill Cosby and Daryl Hall. Temple's nickname is the Owls and are fellow A10 Conference members.

Rumor is Big East wants them. Of course, they have long been rumored to a P5 conference, but that doesn't seem to be happening. Further rumor seems to be this is an attempt to appease UConn into staying in the American.

Of course we should all realize that as the program gains additional notice (i.e. League champs, NCAAt invites, maybe a run or two in the tourney) we can expect some rumors (at least) from a conference looking for new members. A select conference may/will entertain looking at us.

Maybe not the BE since they seem inclined to avoid us ... but other potential conference affiliations can happen.

Rumor is Big East wants them. Of course, they have long been rumored to a P5 conference, but that doesn't seem to be happening. Further rumor seems to be this is an attempt to appease UConn into staying in the American.

The top part of the conference is significantly higher profile than the A10. Those would be some awfully good home games at the arena. The bottom of the conference would be no worse than the bottom of the A10.

Sure there is risk that UConn and maybe UC get poached. Even without them, its roughly on par with the A10 (minus Dayton and VCU). If something could be negotiated where we wouldn't be terribly disadvantaged as second class citizens, I'd do it.

Temple

TEMPLE UNIVERSITY
Founded in 1884 by Dr. Russell Conwell, Temple College became Temple University in 1907. Located in Philadelphia, Temple is a comprehensive public research university with 34,000 students, 8 campuses, and 300 academic degree programs. Notable alumni include Bill Cosby and Daryl Hall. Temple's nickname is the Owls and are fellow A10 Conference members.

Seems highly unstable to me, kinda like the Great Midwest or the Metro.

BEOB

Big East or bust

Temple

TEMPLE UNIVERSITY
Founded in 1884 by Dr. Russell Conwell, Temple College became Temple University in 1907. Located in Philadelphia, Temple is a comprehensive public research university with 34,000 students, 8 campuses, and 300 academic degree programs. Notable alumni include Bill Cosby and Daryl Hall. Temple's nickname is the Owls and are fellow A10 Conference members.

Does playing the Cinncinnatis, U conns, memphis, SMU, and Temples of the world instead of the Fordhams, Dusquesne, and GW's increase our chances of Archie staying here longer?

I would even go so far as to say add St. Louis to the list of teams we want to be in a conference with, as I believe they are on the right track, and bring good facilities and a good TV market to the table.

Does playing the Cinncinnatis, U conns, memphis, SMU, and Temples of the world instead of the Fordhams, Dusquesne, and GW's increase our chances of Archie staying here longer?

I would even go so far as to say add St. Louis to the list of teams we want to be in a conference with, as I believe they are on the right track, and bring good facilities and a good TV market to the table.

That's a great question to ask. I want Dayton be wherever Archie wants to be Dayton's head coach.

If VCU and another good A-10 team or two left we would almost have to go. Wouldn't be much left in the A-10. Kind of like when we were worried what would happen if VCU and St Louis went to the BE. The only thing that would bother me is football. We saw how screwed up the Big East was with a mix of football and basketball-only schools.

Saint Louis

SAINT LOUIS
Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

True, but I'd rather be in a conference where a 16-2 record and league titles gets us something better than a potential 8 seed

Usually it would in the A10, but no teams did very well in the OOC. We certainly missed a few opportunities for quality wins ourselves. I think URI has the best victory with a win over Cincy... an AAC team.

A10 is not a good league this year. Too many opportunities to fall without a lot of opportunities to rise to offset those (see URI). I think the team in the AAC are in the same situation this year. Two teams that rise up and a bubble team. Some cherry picking to make a stronger conference should not be off the table.

The AAC is really scattered though, it would be wise to split it into some geographic regions somehow to improve travel if they expanded.

Rhode Island

RHODE ISLAND
The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

If VCU and another good A-10 team or two left we would almost have to go. Wouldn't be much left in the A-10. Kind of like when we were worried what would happen if VCU and St Louis went to the BE. The only thing that would bother me is football. We saw how screwed up the Big East was with a mix of football and basketball-only schools.

The schools that make the AAC appear attractive, UC, UConn et al, want out of the AAC so badly it's indescribable.....and will jump if hey ever get a chance.

True, but I'd rather be in a conference where a 16-2 record and league titles gets us something better than a potential 8 seed

Agree 100%.

First a disclaimer. EVERYONE loves the Flyers here. And EVERYONE wants them to win. So leave the "just win" BS at the door. We all want them to win. What we need to figure out is how to win MORE in March.

Winning the NCAA tournament is the ultimate goal. Hell, Final Four is a great start to that.
We get there by getting good seeding.
We get that by either running the table like Gonzaga, or by losing a handful in a great conference.
Outright conference titles are nice, but who won the outright title in the Mountain West last year? I am sure they are proud. But I would much rather be 2017 Butler than 2016 San Diego State

SDSU incidentally won the Mountain West regular season at 23-8 only to lose to Fresno State in the conference final. Hello NIT.

Everyone here scratches their head as to why we are an 8 seed, and look how bad these other teams are. Common denominator on 95% of these teams? They are in a better conference.

Winning is nice. But the tournament is better. Butler isnt winning the Big East. But they are a three seed and that is better than winning the A10 and getting an 8. How we advance is by getting good seeds. By being in a better conference. And keeping AM.

The schools that make the AAC appear attractive, UC, UConn et al, want out of the AAC so badly it's indescribable.....and will jump if hey ever get a chance.

Yeah, I've got mixed feelings. I'd love to join the NBE. But everything else seems like a big risk, including staying in the A10 and having a VCU leave on us. I'm thinking maybe there will be some more reshuffling of the other conferences and then maybe our proper place will be more obvious. I like the idea of this rivalry with VCU becoming bigger and having us joined at the hip where we could both go to another conference together. I don't think they'd be as big of jerks about it that Xavier is.

Xavier

XAVIER MUSKETEERS
Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

FYI...Leave the A10 now and forfeit approx $10 million from NCAA Units. Butler and X left almost $20 behind. Stay and dominate.

Got news for you. The only way we leave for greener pastures is to leave when we're a hot commodity. Leaving money on the table will just have to be a negative that we'll have to accept. If we wait until we don't have all that NCAA money coming, we could find ourselves back to being left out like when we remained independent.

Unless we're going to the NBE, we shouldn't go anywhere. Richmond,St. Bonnie and Joe's, GW and Rhode are great rivalries

Richmond

UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND
Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

If it is a money choice, then the AAC seems like a better chance. In 2016 the basketball fund paid the A10 $11.7 million, the AAC received $24.5 million, but the gap seems to be closing as the AAC and A10 are both actually on a downward trend and the AAC is still receiving the Big E revenues. But there seems to be a better chance at more $$ in the AAC from the basketball fund (I assume eventually that will equate to $.50 beers at the games so it matters). On top of that, I believe they have a contract with ESPN, so most of those games show up on a more common channel, so one would expect more TV revenues. Cash doesn't seem like a good reason for the A10, although I believe the A10 does have one of the best sharing programs with teams that earned the credits, and the conference is making efforts to increase TV revenues, etc.

In the scenario mentioned above, I like the pier teams way better in an expanded AAC (UD, WSU, and VCU), but only if Cincy, UConn, and Memphis are staying. It is the instability of the conference, followed by the broad geography and football affiliation that gives me pause.

2 conferences of 9 teams each, 16 game double round robin. Play 2 or 4 or 6 from the other conference per year in a scheduling arrangement setup. 7 non- football members give them some power. UMass gets a scheduling arrangement in football to help them out. Wichita possibly has a football home if they ever go FBS.

Temple

TEMPLE UNIVERSITY
Founded in 1884 by Dr. Russell Conwell, Temple College became Temple University in 1907. Located in Philadelphia, Temple is a comprehensive public research university with 34,000 students, 8 campuses, and 300 academic degree programs. Notable alumni include Bill Cosby and Daryl Hall. Temple's nickname is the Owls and are fellow A10 Conference members.

Rhode Island

RHODE ISLAND
The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

Massachusetts

MASSACHUSETTS
UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

Saint Louis

SAINT LOUIS
Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

For the record I'm not a big fan of UD moving to the BE but those that want it to happen should be doing their level best to make a move to the AAC appear imminent. This is the kind of catalyst needed to compel the BE to act.

With that said, I love the situation we have in the A10 and I'm in no hurry for us to move anywhere.

UD just needs to do what is best for UD. Whatever decisions made need to come with stability, not just the feel good in the loins because we are in a conference with some bigger names.

Right now, there is stability in the A10 and we have been pretty successful as of late. Granted, I think we get hit from a seeding standpoint in the tournament, but no one did anything OOC...so I think we are where we should be.

If the trend of being at the top of the A10 when it counts, continues, then good things will eventually happen. We all know that UD missed the BE boat. We missed it because we were treading water for a certain period of time.

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Stay in the A-10. Basketball is cyclical. There are teams in our league that are very young and have up and coming stars. I think like SLU, SJU and SBU. URI. Richmond and Davidson always have competitive programs. We are losing four senior starters (I include KD even if he did not start all the time) - SS, KD, KP and CC. Things can change very fast.

Richmond

UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND
Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

St Bonaventure

SAINT BONAVENTURE
Founded in 1858, St. Bonaventure University is a liberal arts college located on 500 acres in southwestern New York state. SBU offers 43 undergraduate majors, the most popular of which are elementary education, journalism, psychology, accounting, marketing, finance, and management. Total undergraduate enrollment is 2,000. Virtually all freshmen and most undergraduates live on campus. A founding member of the A10 Conference. Famous athletes include Bob Lanier. Historical nickname was the Brown Indians, but later changed to the Bonnies. Their mascot is a wolf.

Rhode Island

RHODE ISLAND
The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

St Joseph's

ST. JOSEPH'S
Founded by the Society of Jesus in 1851, Saint Joseph's University advances the professional and personal ambitions of men and women by providing a demanding, yet supportive educational experience. One of only 139 schools nationwide with a Phi Beta Kappa chapter and AACSB business school accreditation, Saint Joseph's is home to 4,200 full-time undergraduates and 3,100 graduate, part-time and doctoral candidates. Located in urban Philadelphia, SJU is a fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Hawks. Athletic claim to fame is is the Hawk mascot, a university student on full scholarship who wears a Hawk uniform and flaps his wings continuously for an entire athletic event. School spirit slogan is "The Hawk Will Never Die."

Saint Louis

SAINT LOUIS
Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

Dayton is not moving to the AAC, almost zero chance.Posted via Mobile Device

Agree. All of the top teams would move if a better conference would have them. I like bringing the SHOCKERS into the A10. It matches Ted Kissel's expansion strategy: Bring in a team that brings in a bid.

I suppose if some of the AAC teams want us to consider us for the AAC, it may be time to get us on a home and home. Same could be said for Wichita State, it looks like they need us more that we need them for the strength of schedule thing.

What does everyone think of being in an AAC with no UC, no UConn, no Memphis, no SMU, no Houston?

Because those five will jump ship as soon as the ACC, SEC or Big12 come knocking.

This would give us the opportunity to do something similar to what some on here have suggested, get a bunch of good "mid-majors" and start a new conference. If we were in the AAC with VCU and Wichita State, that would be a great start. We could perhaps replace the teams you mentioned with several of the best teams from the A-10 and/or MVC (or elsewhere). I would think a conference with Dayton, VCU, and Wichita State would be very attractive to some very good "mid-majors." We could end up with a very good conference without the A-10 bottom dwellers, something we all would like. (I realize the remaining AAC football schools could throw a wrench into this scenario. Or they could form their own conference with some Conference USA schools.)

What does everyone think of being in an AAC with no UC, no UConn, no Memphis, no SMU, no Houston?

Because those five will jump ship as soon as the ACC, SEC or Big12 come knocking.

I do not think the ACC or SEC is going to pluck schools from the AAC. The only hope for those schools is the Big12 and that is if the Big12 isn't raided by the SEC, ACC, and BIG10. The Big12 just signed a new TV deal and I do not believe will be looking to expand anytime soon.

I do not think the ACC or SEC is going to pluck schools from the AAC. The only hope for those schools is the Big12 and that is if the Big12 isn't raided by the SEC, ACC, and BIG10. The Big12 just signed a new TV deal and I do not believe will be looking to expand anytime soon.

A few thoughts:

1. It's complicated.

2. There's a lot more to it than athletics. The Big 10 didn't go after Rutgers and Maryland because of their athletics programs.

3. It's very complicated.

4. The Big 12 (with 10 schools) could expand to the East by adding four AAC schools....a move having a motivation similar to the Big 10s. But, there's a catch. Texas and Oklahoma call the shots in the Big 12...and those two schools know that the Big 10, SEC and ACC would jump at the chance to add either one. The other 8 Big 12 schools understand that. So, as long as UT and OU are content the Big 12 will remain as is.

5. It's really very, very complicated.

6. Recall, there was a time when UD thought it was a great idea to join the Great Midwest conference...the beginning of an embarrassing disaster for us.
It took a long time and much pain to recover from the GMW debacle....and we own the A10 plenty for applying the life support treatment needed at the time.

7. A10 schools like SLU, URI, SJU and a few others really want to have very good men's BB programs and are investing accordingly. They will have good teams. A few others, well known to all, are not investing sufficiently. I think the best chance for UD is to act like the conference leader....teaming with a few other like-minded schools to pressure the laggards to shape up. UD jumping ship would be a dreadful loss for the A10. That being the case, UD with the support of a few others would seem to have leverage....leverage to move the conference in a direction beneficial to UD.

I have no idea what Neil is doing along those lines...perhaps Chris does. Also, it's unlikely that any of us really appreciate the inner dynamics/politics that accompany conference membership....nor do we appreciate the role of the commissioner.

My bottom line is that UD's best position remains in a strengthened A10. There are good schools in the A10 with solid athletics programs. Understandably, some years are better than others. I don't understand why a conference has to live with members that refuse to invest at a level required to have a top-tier program, e.g., FU, LU to name just two. Is having a member in NYC so important that FU can do/or not do what ever it wants? I'd be very interested if Chris would discuss issues like this with Neil. I'm sure there is much we don't understand.

Just opinions...uninformed opinions at that. (Did I mention I think it's complicated?)

Rhode Island

RHODE ISLAND
The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

St Joseph's

ST. JOSEPH'S
Founded by the Society of Jesus in 1851, Saint Joseph's University advances the professional and personal ambitions of men and women by providing a demanding, yet supportive educational experience. One of only 139 schools nationwide with a Phi Beta Kappa chapter and AACSB business school accreditation, Saint Joseph's is home to 4,200 full-time undergraduates and 3,100 graduate, part-time and doctoral candidates. Located in urban Philadelphia, SJU is a fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Hawks. Athletic claim to fame is is the Hawk mascot, a university student on full scholarship who wears a Hawk uniform and flaps his wings continuously for an entire athletic event. School spirit slogan is "The Hawk Will Never Die."

Saint Louis

SAINT LOUIS
Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

If UConn, Memphis rebound & VCU, Wichita St join with the AAC has a much better potential than the A10. I would think recruiting would pick up squaring off against UConn, UC, Memphis, Wichita, etc & too 50 wins would be more plentiful. Peak potential this could be a very good conference. ECU, Tulane are there but a much stronger too & middle

Who knows what the future holds with expansion but the Big12 wanted to expand & didn't because no program was worth it in the AAC

Improving the A10 is nice but we can't make UMass fire Kellogg or ensure they hire a good coach. Duquesne on paper hired a guy in Ferry who turned a program around & went to the tourney. Not sure what anyone in the A10 can do to fix programs like those

The A10 shackles us with Duquesne H/H in conference, waited till this year to have us play VCU H/H & had us playing Fordham H/H in 14-15 when we almost got left out of the tourney

It'd be nice to have the chance to play UC to get another top 50 win versus avoid a bad loss late in conference playPosted via Mobile Device

Massachusetts

MASSACHUSETTS
UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

Fordham

FORDHAM
Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

Duquesne

DUQUESNE
Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

If UConn, Memphis rebound & VCU, Wichita St join with the AAC has a much better potential than the A10. I would think recruiting would pick up squaring off against UConn, UC, Memphis, Wichita, etc & too 50 wins would be more plentiful. Peak potential this could be a very good conference. ECU, Tulane are there but a much stronger too & middle

Who knows what the future holds with expansion but the Big12 wanted to expand & didn't because no program was worth it in the AAC

Improving the A10 is nice but we can't make UMass fire Kellogg or ensure they hire a good coach. Duquesne on paper hired a guy in Ferry who turned a program around & went to the tourney. Not sure what anyone in the A10 can do to fix programs like those

The A10 shackles us with Duquesne H/H in conference, waited till this year to have us play VCU H/H & had us playing Fordham H/H in 14-15 when we almost got left out of the tourney

It'd be nice to have the chance to play UC to get another top 50 win versus avoid a bad loss late in conference playPosted via Mobile Device

The incompatibility of big-time FB with BB-only schools is what killed the Big East. The hybrid old BE model proved to be not viable. Why would anyone want to get within a mile of that again?

A week ago I attended a large meeting re UConn FB hosted by the AD and featuring UConn's new/old FB coach, Randy Edsell. The investment in FBS FB is enormous.....can't be understood, really, starting from a Dayton-style BB centric point of view. Absolutely, positively, UD has got to stay away from any involvement with FBS FB schools. It can kill you! Their fundamental interests are entirely different from ours.

Massachusetts

MASSACHUSETTS
UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

Fordham

FORDHAM
Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

Duquesne

DUQUESNE
Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

The incompatibility of big-time FB with BB-only schools is what killed the Big East. The hybrid old BE model proved to be not viable. Why would anyone want to get within a mile of that again?

A week ago I attended a large meeting re UConn FB hosted by the AD and featuring UConn's new/old FB coach, Randy Edsell. The investment in FBS FB is enormous.....can't be understood, really, starting from a Dayton-style BB centric point of view. Absolutely, positively, UD has got to stay away from any involvement with FBS FB schools. It can kill you! Their fundamental interests are entirely different from ours.

I think the difference this time is that's there would be 1-3 basketball schools vs 7 & the basketball schools would be the ones joining understanding the arrangement. The C7 were unhappy with basketball dead weight being added with ECU, Tulane, etc. the dynamic then & now would be different. They were unhappy with the direction of the conference whereas if we joined it'd be because we wanted to be a part of it.

Their interests are different but that wouldn't preclude a mutually beneficial relationship.

We've got one one FBS school in UMass & has Temple & the A10 found a way to make those relationships work.

If UMass leaves for a football league, VCU joins this league or the BE expands again & we get left out the University needs to be proactive so the Flyers aren't stuck in a situation like WichitaPosted via Mobile Device

Temple

TEMPLE UNIVERSITY
Founded in 1884 by Dr. Russell Conwell, Temple College became Temple University in 1907. Located in Philadelphia, Temple is a comprehensive public research university with 34,000 students, 8 campuses, and 300 academic degree programs. Notable alumni include Bill Cosby and Daryl Hall. Temple's nickname is the Owls and are fellow A10 Conference members.

Massachusetts

MASSACHUSETTS
UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

I think the difference this time is that's there would be 1-3 basketball schools vs 7 & the basketball schools would be the ones joining understanding the arrangement. The C7 were unhappy with basketball dead weight being added with ECU, Tulane, etc. the dynamic then & now would be different. They were unhappy with the direction of the conference whereas if we joined it'd be because we wanted to be a part of it.

Their interests are different but that wouldn't preclude a mutually beneficial relationship.

We've got one one FBS school in UMass & has Temple & the A10 found a way to make those relationships work.

If UMass leaves for a football league, VCU joins this league or the BE expands again & we get left out the University needs to be proactive so the Flyers aren't stuck in a situation like WichitaPosted via Mobile Device

A single FB school in a BB conference like the UMass and Temple examples worked. But a conference with roughly equal number of FB and BB-only schools is what did not work for the old BE. That lesson has been learned.

Temple

TEMPLE UNIVERSITY
Founded in 1884 by Dr. Russell Conwell, Temple College became Temple University in 1907. Located in Philadelphia, Temple is a comprehensive public research university with 34,000 students, 8 campuses, and 300 academic degree programs. Notable alumni include Bill Cosby and Daryl Hall. Temple's nickname is the Owls and are fellow A10 Conference members.

Massachusetts

MASSACHUSETTS
UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

What does everyone think of being in an AAC with no UC, no UConn, no Memphis, no SMU, no Houston?

Because those five will jump ship as soon as the ACC, SEC or Big12 come knocking.

I think it sucks. At least, with the A-10, we have some degree of commonality (Catholicism) with many of the members, and they're in markets (Philly, NYC, Pittsburgh) that have historically had major connections to UD. 2 lower-tier Florida schools, a lower-tier Louisiana school, a lower-tier Carolina school, and a competitive but not outstanding Oklahoma school is what you're left with after UC, Memphis, UConn, Houston, et al leave for a conference that offers football. In the immortal words of Cosmo Kramer, "I'm out!"Posted via Mobile Device

A single FB school in a BB conference like the UMass and Temple examples worked. But a conference with roughly equal number of FB and BB-only schools is what did not work for the old BE. That lesson has been learned.

But how did that turn out for the basketball-only schools? Pretty darn well!

The incompatibility of big-time FB with BB-only schools is what killed the Big East. The hybrid old BE model proved to be not viable. Why would anyone want to get within a mile of that again?

A week ago I attended a large meeting re UConn FB hosted by the AD and featuring UConn's new/old FB coach, Randy Edsell. The investment in FBS FB is enormous.....can't be understood, really, starting from a Dayton-style BB centric point of view. Absolutely, positively, UD has got to stay away from any involvement with FBS FB schools. It can kill you! Their fundamental interests are entirely different from ours.

Agreed. Sounds like the AAC wants to be the new, old Big East v2.0 with the hybrid model. Only with less prestige and worse geography. No way this thing lasts as UConn and Cincy will jump at the first opportunity and we'll be left holding the bag. We're best sticking it out in the A10 and looking to work to make the league better while waiting for the call from the Big East (which may or may not ever come, but that's the only jump we should make).

CBS Sports has since learned that while the issue hasnít reached the presidential level in the American, there are discussions at least at the AD level.
Wichita State is being evaluated as an upgrade for the 11-team basketball league. There is no decision among concerned parties as yet. There is no timeline on the next move, never mind a date of the schoolís entry.
That same source said VCU and Dayton were not in the mix.Posted via Mobile Device

But how did that turn out for the basketball-only schools? Pretty darn well!

It did turn out well. But luck had a little to do with it. The reigning national champ, VU, dodged not a bullet but a cannon ball. VU trustees had approved spending tens of millions for the Cats to step up to FBS FB in the old BE. Fortunately, before a dollar had been spent the league collapsed. I'll bet there are people at VU who thank God every day for saving them from that one.

If Fox makes enough money to justify continuation of the TV contract the new BE started with things will have turned out mighty well for the BB schools of the old BE. For at least some of the FB schools....not so much.

. Is having a member in NYC so important that FU can do/or not do what ever it wants?

Just opinions...uninformed opinions at that. (Did I mention I think it's complicated?)

Do we get Schoochie out of the Bronx without Fordham in the conference?

Maybe. But it's complicated.

Fordham

FORDHAM
Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

I suppose if some of the AAC teams want us to consider us for the AAC, it may be time to get us on a home and home. Same could be said for Wichita State, it looks like they need us more that we need them for the strength of schedule thing.

Cincy, Witchita St, Uconn, and SMU have all recently been uninterested in home and home series.

Cincy, Witchita St, Uconn, and SMU have all recently been uninterested in home and home series.

Wichita State is funny. They go to the Final Four once and now they think they're too good to play Dayton. Problem is, they are always on the Bubble due to their atrocious SOS. Heck, even a loss to Dayton would have helped their SOS and RPI the past few seasons. LOL

Cincy, Witchita St, Uconn, and SMU have all recently been uninterested in home and home series.

The State of CT is in such dire financial straights that I think if we suggested one game at the Arena....a buy game,....UConn would accept.

Only kidding. But for many years we couldn't get the UConn women...and now we have a three game series. UConn men could use the RPI boost....Calhoun is gone....there is a new AD in place and a relatively new coach. Keep after them....why not a three game deal like the women? The UConn men played in Columbus this year...why not Dayton?

Do we get Schoochie out of the Bronx without Fordham in the conference?

Maybe. But it's complicated.

Good call. If Scoochie has any little brothers, they can stay.

Fordham

FORDHAM
Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

Should Dayton end up in the AAC we could then fill our non con schedule with top teams from the A-10 and Fordham for our alum base out there. Guess we'd have to include Duquesne too for our alums. So essentially we'd keep many of the top tier teams from the A-10 for our non con.

I don't get a warm feeling about the AAC but guess we could forge some good rivalries, Cincy already built in.

Fordham

FORDHAM
Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

Duquesne

DUQUESNE
Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

I can't find the article where I read it, but the AAC commish yesterday said they were not adding non-football members. So that puts an end to that.

The ACC said the same thing before adding Notre Dame. I am not going to guarantee that it is going to happen but the memo is deny, deny, deny until it is official. I would not be surprised if Wichita State is added before the Summer ends.

Reading posts from fans on their site and others, there is a fair bit of love for the A-10. Some see it as a step up, some not so much,but if the football proponents at WSU are losing steam, and the AAC sticks to it's word of no BB only schools, the A-10 is a possibility, far from a sure thing, but not out of the conversation either.

Wichita, KS is 440 miles from St. Louis and almost 800 miles to Dayton. To UMass?

These are not battalions on a Risk board. The impact to STUDENT athletes would be immeasurable for Wichita players at all levels. Rick Majerus complained about this when St. Louis joined the A10. Where/when does the madness stop?

Massachusetts

MASSACHUSETTS
UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

Wichita, KS is 440 miles from St. Louis and almost 800 miles to Dayton. To UMass?

These are not battalions on a Risk board. The impact to STUDENT athletes would be immeasurable for Wichita players at all levels. Rick Majerus complained about this when St. Louis joined the A10. Where/when does the madness stop?

Wichita to UConn?

Massachusetts

MASSACHUSETTS
UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

No desire to be in a temporary conference until the next football realignment. Also - the geographic footprint is terrible. Houston -> Orlando -> Hartford -> Dallas -> Memphis -> Carolina. Travel not easy.

No desire to be in a temporary conference until the next football realignment. Also - the geographic footprint is terrible. Houston -> Orlando -> Hartford -> Dallas -> Memphis -> Carolina. Travel not easy.

I have been reading a lot about this on the Wichita State board. It surprises me that the Shockers are so interested. I know they want out of the MVC, but the AAC seems like a poor fit. The AAC goes from Connecticut, to Florida, to Texas - and points in between. All the other AAC members have football. If they ever get the chance, both UConn and UC would jump to get out of the AAC. Seems like the A-10 would be a much better fit.

They would be an extreme outlier in the A10 - SLU isn't really all that close (400 miles) and St louis is a pretty good distance from everyone else. I'll assume the charter everything in basketball, so no bid deal, but it would affect all their other programs. In the AAC, they're relatively close to the texas schools, Tulsa isn't too far away either. The conference may be spread out further, but overall travel is probably less for them in the AAC, so that makes sense.

Plus, if they keep their current status and the AAC fails for football reasons to keep some of the top schools, I'm sure the A10 would still welcome them.

Saint Louis

SAINT LOUIS
Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

If Wichita State jumps, it's going to be for the perception they are upgrading their basketball prospects. Distance to league schools is far down the ladder of priorities.

Richmond

UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND
Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

Saint Louis

SAINT LOUIS
Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

If Wichita State jumps, it's going to be for the perception they are upgrading their basketball prospects. Distance to league schools is far down the ladder of priorities.

Especially if you are flying by charter. We are talking a few minutes difference. Now for the lesser sports, it is all about plane connections and number of flights.

Richmond

UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND
Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

Saint Louis

SAINT LOUIS
Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

If Wichita State jumps, it's going to be for the perception they are upgrading their basketball prospects. Distance to league schools is far down the ladder of priorities.

This has nothing to do with distance to the schools this is about exposure and perception. Although these MVC has some solid history in the Bball you play in cities like

Terre Haute, IN
Cedar Falls IA
Springfield MO
Evansville IN
Peoria IL

Compare that to the AAC or A10 and the difference is huge. I think WSu has aspirations bigger than the Valley. Is there risk joining in AAU yes but there's also risk staying in the Valley

Richmond

UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND
Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

Saint Louis

SAINT LOUIS
Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

It seems pretty clear to me that the A10 brass wants no part of Wichita State or any other Midwestern school for expansion. After the Butler and Xavier defections there was ample opportunity to add them but the conference instead took Eastern choices that don't hold a candle to Wichita State in any category. Location at this point seems to be more important than adding the best basketball programs. There is no reason whatsoever why the A10 couldn't add WSU and UNI right now. We played at 16 before. I'd prefer that schedule anyway.

Xavier

XAVIER MUSKETEERS
Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

It seems pretty clear to me that the A10 brass wants no part of Wichita State or any other Midwestern school for expansion. After the Butler and Xavier defections there was ample opportunity to add them but the conference instead took Eastern choices that don't hold a candle to Wichita State in any category. Location at this point seems to be more important than adding the best basketball programs. There is no reason whatsoever why the A10 couldn't add WSU and UNI right now. We played at 16 before. I'd prefer that schedule anyway.

If that true, its a shame. I'd assume it would stem from the A10 thinking Dayton might leave and the A10 doesn't want to be stuck with an outlier out west.

Seems like a self fulfilling prophecy going on. A10 won't add the best available teams because it thinks Dayton and maybe SLU might leave. The desire for Dayton to leave increases because A10 won't add the best available teams...

Saint Louis

SAINT LOUIS
Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

The A10's media deal is pitiful. Essentially, they get about half the money per school as what teams in the Missouri Valley currently make. I know the schools in the MVC were getting just under $700k a year prior to the new deal they signed in 2015. I'm assuming they make at least as much per school as they were making before, if not more, and they're also getting more exposure.

The fourteen A10 schools share $500k per year, and the exposure of the league is rather ridiculous given how good a lot of teams in the league typically are, and given the markets that the league is in. One of my biggest frustrations with the A10 back when Xavier was in the conference was its TV deal. Or, lack thereof.

By going to the AAC, Wichita State will likely be making at least three times the money that the entire Atlantic Ten conference makes put together off of the TV deal. And, they'll get more exposure. For that reason alone UD should STRONGLY consider a move to the AAC if it presents itself, which it might.

Xavier

XAVIER MUSKETEERS
Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

Mixing of FB and BB schools has been proven to be a mistake...a big one. Think old Big East. The interests of FBS FB schools and non-FB schools are fundamentally different. That creates a serious problem.

To be successful the interests of conference members should be fundamentally similar. This is not a hard concept to grasp.

I cannot understand why a school like WSU would even consider FB...knowing in advance the bottomless money pit that FBS FB is. Quite a few schools in Power 5 conferences are losing their shirts on FBS FB....but as legacy members they are trapped....can't get out because of the impact on all other athletics programs.

The A10 is a very good fit for UD. What the conference needs is a BB upgrade by way of a new school or two, pressure on laggard members and a much better TV deal. Of course, the latter comes from elevating BB.

Our AD is no dummy and BB is uniquely important to UD. That being the case I suppose there is much we don't know/understand about the A10 specifically and conference affiliation generally. Chris is well connected with UD and Neil; I'm sure he has or can get better insight re this matter.

Mixing of FB and BB schools has been proven to be a mistake...a big one. Think old Big East. The interests of FBS FB schools and non-FB schools are fundamentally different. That creates a serious problem.

To be successful the interests of conference members should be fundamentally similar. This is not a hard concept to grasp.

I cannot understand why a school like WSU would even consider FB...knowing in advance the bottomless money pit that FBS FB is. Quite a few schools in Power 5 conferences are losing their shirts on FBS FB....but as legacy members they are trapped....can't get out because of the impact on all other athletics programs.

The A10 is a very good fit for UD. What the conference needs is a BB upgrade by way of a new school or two, pressure on laggard members and a much better TV deal. Of course, the latter comes from elevating BB.

Our AD is no dummy and BB is uniquely important to UD. That being the case I suppose there is much we don't know/understand about the A10 specifically and conference affiliation generally. Chris is well connected with UD and Neil; I'm sure he has or can get better insight re this matter.

It sounds like what you are saying is we need the A10 to be more like the Big East...or we can hope that the invite to the BE is still in play.

The football thing worries me, but honestly if the AAC was going to take three basketball-only schools and two of those three were going to be Wichita State and VCU, then I think Dayton would have to go. Because at the end of the day, I just don't trust anyone in the A10 besides VCU to be a basketball power year in and year out.

Mixing of FB and BB schools has been proven to be a mistake...a big one. Think old Big East. The interests of FBS FB schools and non-FB schools are fundamentally different. That creates a serious problem.

To be successful the interests of conference members should be fundamentally similar. This is not a hard concept to grasp.

I cannot understand why a school like WSU would even consider FB...knowing in advance the bottomless money pit that FBS FB is. Quite a few schools in Power 5 conferences are losing their shirts on FBS FB....but as legacy members they are trapped....can't get out because of the impact on all other athletics programs.

The A10 is a very good fit for UD. What the conference needs is a BB upgrade by way of a new school or two, pressure on laggard members and a much better TV deal. Of course, the latter comes from elevating BB.

Our AD is no dummy and BB is uniquely important to UD. That being the case I suppose there is much we don't know/understand about the A10 specifically and conference affiliation generally. Chris is well connected with UD and Neil; I'm sure he has or can get better insight re this matter.

The difference between the Old Big East, and the New AAC is that in the Old Big East, was a 50/50 split with the basketball and football schools. Here, the 1 (possibly 3) basketball schools being added would go in knowing that they are second fiddle to football. The difference is though, these schools would be fine with that with the big increase in money they would be getting by joining the league.

By going to the AAC, Wichita State will likely be making at least three times the money that the entire Atlantic Ten conference makes put together off of the TV deal. And, they'll get more exposure. For that reason alone UD should STRONGLY consider a move to the AAC if it presents itself, which it might.