139. Capriles advisor says he just wanted to cause a scandal. Capriles knew he lost. Audio

"They know quite well that they lost. You want to know why I say that? (...) one of the closest advisers to Henrique Capriles, who takes part in meetings every Monday in a place they call "La Peña" (...) They know and they say that the opposition lost. Lost the election. Now they are inventing this (points to newspaper), and remember that we said, right here, they were going to claim fraud. People said "paranoid", "always saying that"... They claimed fraud. They were already claiming fraud before April 14. (...)

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Phone calls:

Dr Luis Ugueto Arizmendi = LUA

Unidentified man: And what do you think about not recognizing (the results)?

LUA: Of recognizing it, because they have to make the counting, it seems to me that now we have to get as boastful as we can since they have been kicking us all this time, right?

Unidentified man: Well, this is true indeed.

LUA: So, I believe that's ok.

Unidentified man: And did you hear something about it being true that it's false, if it's true that the numbers are false or something?

Unidentified man: Ok, but when Capriles started saying he did not recognize it?

LUA: Because he wanted to make them recount everything.

Unidentified man: Ok. So, would you say this is the best scenario?

LUA: The best scenario? No.

Unidentified man: The best scenario after winning, of course.

LUA: No we didn't win, we lost.

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Carmen Luisa: What else? How were things at the La Pena (meeting) yesterday?

LUA: Well, very busy, because the results hadn't come out yet, no one could get to Caracas, no one could pass through Caracas.

Carmen Luisa: No

LUA: Then when we saw Capriles' speech on television, people began to arrive, people, people, people filling the house again.

Carmen Luisa: What do you think Luis?

LUA: Think about what?

Carmen Luisa: Will this lead to anything?

LUA: No No, this is his own operation... to keep the interest (the attention) of his voters. So he has to stay very comfortable, not keeping his mouth shut, because he has to make a scandal, but being very comfortable with that.

Carmen Luisa: Yes, of course. But he has to do this for his elect(gets cut off)

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LUA: How are things?
Unidentified man: Very good, I feel very good, very positive.

LUA: And I think you should.

Unidentified man: I think it's the best scenario, I think it's better to lose with these votes than to have won with 50,000 votes.

LUA: Losing? We won, this was an ultra win.

Unidentified man: Sure, but I still think it would be better for the future of the country if we had really won, really won with 50 thousand votes.