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In other words, "you're not what you say you are, you're what I say you are."

I don't think you could be more wrong, either about that or about "tilting" the compass. You're just wrong.

No, you seem to think so.

Irrelevant of me or you, is how actual labeling works. You can call yourself anything you want, it just has no relevance to what you actually are. As Carlin said, your name can be spelled s-m-i-t-h, and you can pronounce it Janovski if you want to.

Christianity, statism, there is no material difference in the faith needed to support either.

Except the constitution separates religion from state. Let's put it this way, when the Chritianists back off their unconstitutional demands or simply let the Satanists lecture in the schools along side the Jesus freaks, I'll buy that they are not infringing on the we'll have no establishment clause. Until then, I'll consider their demands to hang the Ten Commandments on the courthouse walls as a violation of the constitution.

And again, self-labeling yourself is irrelevant to actual left-right labeling.

Irrelevant of me or you, is how actual labeling works. You can call yourself anything you want, it just has no relevance to what you actually are. As Carlin said, your name can be spelled s-m-i-t-h, and you can pronounce it Janovski if you want to.

Except the constitution separates religion from state. Let's put it this way, when the Chritianists back off their unconstitutional demands or simply let the Satanists lecture in the schools along side the Jesus freaks, I'll buy that they are not infringing on the we'll have no establishment clause. Until then, I'll consider their demands to hang the Ten Commandments on the courthouse walls as a violation of the constitution.

gobley-guk...wut?

Faith in the state is not materially different from faith in god.

As Carlin said, your name can be spelled s-m-i-t-h, and you can pronounce it Janovski if you want to.

Originally Posted by Kobie

Like I said, I took his meaning to be: "You're not what you say you are, you're what I say you are."

Uh. No. Read what I wrote again. I said one is real, the other is make believe.

It is the most to lose.

You can call yourself whatever you want, but it has no relevance to facts or truth.

Sure it does. I get into disagreements with people on the Left often enough to know that I am not on the Left. However, I noticed that those on the Right are much more...dedicated to their delusions than any Lefty I ever met or debated against. Left leaning people tend to listen to counterpoints and read facts presented to them. Well, except the feminists. They seem to be in their own world. They are like Righties in that regard.

Uh. No. Read what I wrote again. I said one is real, the other is make believe.

Sure it does. I get into disagreements with people on the Left often enough to know that I am not on the Left. However, I noticed that those on the Right are much more...dedicated to their delusions than any Lefty I ever met or debated against. Left leaning people tend to listen to counterpoints and read facts presented to them. Well, except the feminists. They seem to be in their own world. They are like Righties in that regard.

So there are problems that state regulation cannot fix?

But "listening" to others has nothing to do with actual left-right placement.