The Daily Hague

The good news for Republican King County Councilmember Jane Hague is that she managed to get her drunk-driving hearing postponed until after the November election, avoiding in the weeks leading up to the vote, the potential embarrassment of pleading guilty to, you know, drunk driving. The bad news for Hague is that in doing so, she’s only managed to generate a whole new controversy to keep the bad headlines coming.

When the going gets weird, well, King County Council Democratic candidate Richard Pope keeps it moving right along. He has succeeded in at least temporarily removing the judge who yesterday ruled that Pope’s Republican opponent Jane Hague could delay arguments in her drunk-driving trial until after the November election, Seattle Weekly has learned.

King County District Court Presiding Judge Barbara Linde said this afternoon she has already notified pro tem judge Richard Llewelyn Jones of his removal for failing to report his own criminal background.

The removal could also lead to nullification of Jones’ ruling to delay arguments over Hague’s so-far successful attempt to have blood-alcohol results thrown out. “I’ll leave it up to the two sides to decide” whether the delay stands, Linde says, indicating Hague and prosecutors could end up in court again before the election after all.

If Pope loses (and notice I don’t say “when”,) the two parties should start a bidding war to see who can hire him to do opposition research on the other side. Or, they should have him killed. Man, he’s good.

I think I see how he passed law school. Probably researched his professor and made sure he got good grades or else. I wonder if we can get him to go after Sharkansky? That might actually be fun to watch.

Richard Pope is a deranged Karl Rove wannabee. Goldy knows he is a freak and called him out when the threat he might become a judge materialized. It’s only because he has a D behind his name now that Goldy starts his Pavlovian fawning. In truth Pope is probably less progressive than Hague which is why none of the Democrats in King County — including some extremely liberal ones — want anythig to do with him.

Richard Pope won’t talk about his own checkered past…especially his time in Texas which he conveniently omits from his campaign website.

@8 Its not that there are very many people supporting Pope. If there were, his campaign coffers would be much bigger. Its that Hague is so toxic right now even a flaming bag of dog poop looks better in comparison.

It is typical of Hague and her supporters to try to shift the blame for her implosion on someone else. Pope had nothing to do with her driving drunk or trying to use her position to intimidate the officer that pulled her over. Pope had nothing to do with Hague’s vindictiveness and drunken power binge getting reported in the newspapers. Hague’s fall from power is her own fault.

If she actually started to accept responsibility for it, she might manage to hold on until the next primary election. I don’t see her surviving longer than that, even if she does manage to squeak past this one.

As for Pope, I will say that he is on a higher level than that flaming bag of dog poop mentioned above. Fortunately for him, Hague is not.

@10 What’s fascinating about all of this is that normally people with Richard Pope’s skillset don’t win elections (this fact has been self-evident). He doesn’t really campaign or try to raise money. He came to DL once and couldn’t answer even simple questions I asked him. His strategy is to find as much dirt as possible on his opponent and hope that this encourages people to vote for him. If it actually works this time, and Pope gets on the Council using these same tactics against the people who he butts heads with, CHAOS WILL ENSUE. Elected officials from all parties cherish their privacy and their secrecy, and if Richard starts digging up dirt on the other Council members when he doesn’t get his way, kick back, pop some popcorn, and enjoy the show.

Every contested election is a choice between two people. I would contend that, on balance, it is Hague’s good fortune that Pope is her opponent and not the other way around. The fact that NO ONE is supporting Pope despite the daily problems of Hague and the prospect of a Democrat pick-up on the council demonstrates how true this is. With an opponent who was even remotely qualified to hold public office this would be an unbelieveably difficult year for Hague. Fortunately for her, unfortunrately for the voters of the 6th, that is not the case.

Just like all the other rightwingjerkoffs on this blog, HUMOR escapes you.

If you unclench your ass cheeks and take several deep breaths in and out slowly, you may be able to relax. Well, probably not, but you would be too busy trying the above multi-task and would not be able to inanely comment here.

I’m the first to admit – so posted at Postman’s Blog this morning – that the incumbent has more self-inflicted wounds than a failed suicide attempt, but that’s no reason to think ANYONE has to drink Richard Pope’s Kool-Aid.

What the Hell! He just might move into Seattle, change parties again, then run against somebody you like.

He’s a pest, and well deserving of a LIBERAL (I can use the word in a positive sense when the occassion strikes) dose of electoral Raid!

“In truth Pope is probably less progressive than Hague which is why none of the Democrats in King County — including some extremely liberal ones — want anythig to do with him.”

Sorry…but this election ain’t about “progressive or not.” If anything, both of them are centrists. This is about Hague faking having a college degree for decades. This is about a sitting King Councilperson who has been arrested for DUI. This is about a candidate who is unable to manage her campaign finances. Finally, a person who refuses to take responsibility for her errors.

@14 I have to admit. I don’t have a clue what your point is with this comment. I think it would be entertaining because it would shatter the culture of secrecy that surrounds any government body. It would be entertaining for the same reason that I find the way that blogs have completely upended the political establishment over the past 5 years. Transparency is vital in order to have a government that behaves, and despite everything else, someone like Richard and can be very useful in that respect.

Richard has for the most part been harmless. He does what most RightwingNuts fear…….He shines the light of day on hidden truths, lies and corruption.

Of course you don’t like Richard. Of course he is bad for both parties, but he is GOOD FOR THE PUBLIC. He is what America is about. Anyone can become president. Look at BushTwo (another copyrighted service mark). He can’t get out of his own way, pronounce “nuclear” correctly or tell the truth when it would serve him better than the lie emanating from his lips as I type this.

Richard would make the council uncomfortable and I think that would be a very good thing.

Retired from my day job at 47. That was three years ago. Isn’t that irritating!

I am sorry that you missed the subtle humor. Too busy, I suppose, yanking out your thesaurus to find the big words.

Again, Richard Pope would be a hurricane of fresh air for the council. They won’t like it, but the public just may find him endearing, smart and open. Three qualities missing from the Republican party where the motto is lie, cheat and steal. The public has a short memory.

I love transparency; transparency is good. Put me down as endorsing transparency.

Pope isn’t about transparency, he’s about Pope. What’s good for the transparency targeted goose, ought to be good for the transparency avoiding gander.

You said yourself he can’t answer simple questions posed to him. Another thing you mentioned – blogs – is probably where Pope belongs; let him rant to his heart’s content exposing all varieties of dirt on all varieties of public figures (wonder what he’d find on O.J. and the ST board of directors?).

Maybe, like Goldy’s trying to do, he can make a buck or two with a blog of his own. According to thisthis and especially and delightfully this it’s obvious Richard Pope can’t make a living in either the practice of law or the holding of political office!

Pooper scooper’s investment in disparaging Pope should certainly be taken as a powerful reason to elect him. I don’t know what pooper’s problem with Pope actually is, since you can’t trust what he says, but it must mean Pope poses some kind of threat to him. That’s gotta be good.

I do wish there was a spell-check on most blogs. I’m sure the king of mittened-keyboarders, Seattle Jew, probably feels the same way.

But @23 & 24…MLF…

It’s most disingenuous of you to chide me for a slip of the grammatical keyboard as you stumble there yourself.

BTW…retired at 47? Good for you! Only in America with it’s free enterprise, capitalistic economic system! More power to you. Yet you still have half your life ahead of you, so what empires will you build next?

@25…

Thank you for your interest in my underwear and in things-Larry Craig. How very “wide stance” of you. Careful how next you tap your feet in a gents’ loo stall lest you, too, find yourself similarly targeted

“This is about Hague faking having a college degree for decades. This is about a sitting King Councilperson who has been arrested for DUI. This is about a candidate who is unable to manage her campaign finances. Finally, a person who refuses to take responsibility for her errors.”

My point isn’t that Hague doesn’t have problems…big ones. The reality is that this election was over before it began because the deeply troubled Pope is unfit to hold office. Absent her committing a homicide between now and election day the voters of the 6th will comfortably return Hague to office. The fact that he can’t even get 100% of a far-left blog (who has few if any posters actually in the 6th district) to support him — not to mention any elected official or organization, only confirms this.

Moreover, Pope has filing errors in his PDC forms as well. Pope has resume issues as well, his biograpgical narrative dishonestly omits his time in Texas because it would call attention to the problems he ran into there. And Pope has at least as difficult a time taking responsibility for the restraining orders, fines, removal from cases, and bar complaints in his background. Pope has one MO, throw shit at other people so peple will be distracted from his stench. Has yet to work in his 11 attempts and, despite his best efforts, it won’t this time either.

Unless you are a retarded Mac user, you can use Mozilla Firefox in place of Internet Explorer (www.mozilla.com/firefox) which gives you a redline under words it doesn’t have in its dictionary, which is extensive, and also gives you added security. No, I have no financial interest in this free product. It merely saves me embarassment from time. I have suggested same to SJ. He has not, as you can see, taken the hint.

Left Foot: “Richard Pope would be a hurricane of fresh air for the council…”

Somehow, the word ‘hurricane’ strikes a discordant note. Unless Richard totally changes character (unlikely), he would be isolated and most likely not very effective as a council member. On the other hand, it would give the Dem majority more leeway, and reduce any concerted GOP voice in deliberations. I’m all for that.

Piper: “..it’s obvious Richard Pope can’t make a living in either the practice of law or the holding of political office!”

Well, that’s a bald misstatement of fact. Richard has made a living practicing law unless he has a night job we don’t know about, and the only reason he can’t make a living ‘holding’ political office is the fact that he has never held one.

Empirically, your claim must be rejected. The vast majority of Pope’s filings are against people and groups are in circumstances where he doesn’t directly benefit. (One example…filing a complaint against the KCGOP over fiscal mismanagement–while he was a PCO. Another…filing an ethics complaint against Gregoire last year over use of the Governor’s office for fundraising.)

“You said yourself he can’t answer simple questions posed to him.”

Lee was only partially correct. Pope has been to DL at least three times. What Lee is referring to is his very first visit to DL the week he filed for the position. He didn’t have a lot of answers at the time, but he was certainly listening to people’s concerns. He listened patiently as I, as an Eastsider told him about my major concerns for the region.

As was apparent from his appearance on the David Goldstein Show recently, he has developed a platform and an agenda since his first appearance at DL.

“According to this this and especially and delightfully this it’s obvious Richard Pope can’t make a living in either the practice of law or the holding of political office!”

Again, empirical evidence suggests you are dead wrong. He has successfully practiced law for years in this area, owns a home, is active in his church, and is raising a daughter with a disability. And…he has had money to finance his campaign.

“I hear Wal-Mart is hiring…”

Go for it Squirt! You’d be a great Greeter…if you could stop yourself from babbling so much.

Let’s see…11 electoral debacles for Pope to date, correct? So if (think parting-of-the-Red-Sea-level miracle) Pope wins, I write a check to Hopelink for $1,100 or when he loses, you write one for $100.

No need to have Goldy – your allegeldly neutral third party – hold anything; given the problematic nature of HA as a money maker, I wouldn’t want to tempt him. I’m content to both trust your word as a gentleman AND receive a photocopy of a receipt from Hopelink acknowledging your “contribution.” Sound good?

Seriously…the homeless, children, and those who struggle deserve to be helped, so why not?

@28 As usual, you missed my point and have stopped making sense. I’ve never said that Pope isn’t about Pope. What I’ve said is that if Pope gets on the council, Pope being Pope will provide a lot of transparency.

And yes, Pope can’t answer simple questions. I don’t have any confidence that he could fix anything as an elected official. But I do believe that his political tactics would cause a stir and possibly force his colleagues to be more honest with us. I think you’re trying too hard to figure out whether I’m pro-Pope or anti-Pope. I’m kind of in the middle. I respect his adherence to facts and data, but I’m underwhelmed with his lack of vision on what government should actually be doing. I’m just curious to see if he actually does win this thing, because he’s so different than the kind of people who normally run for office and win.

Hardly. He was all over a previous thread glibly challenging all and sundry to place their bets on Pope. As a bookie, he doesn’t know how to treat his clientele, I’d say. He better stick to his day job.

He can still cackle and ramble that Pope will lose. That doesn’t bother me. But he wimped out. Period.

“No need to have Goldy – your allegeldly neutral third party – hold anything; given the problematic nature of HA as a money maker, I wouldn’t want to tempt him. I’m content to both trust your word as a gentleman AND receive a photocopy of a receipt from Hopelink acknowledging your “contribution.” Sound good?”

Nope. Cash talks. BS walks. Third party can be anybody we mutually agree to.

“My point isn’t that Hague doesn’t have problems…big ones. The reality is that this election was over before it began because the deeply troubled Pope is unfit to hold office.”

And my point is that Hague’s problems are several orders of magnitude worse than problems Pope may have.

Faking a college degree?????? WHAT THE FUCK?????? DUI in 2007? That shit was okay in 1960, is isn’t in 2007.

“Absent her committing a homicide between now and election day the voters of the 6th will comfortably return Hague to office.”

You may be right. So…why all the smears about the relatively trivial problems that Pope has????

“The fact that he can’t even get 100% of a far-left blog (who has few if any posters actually in the 6th district) to support him — not to mention any elected official or organization, only confirms this.”

Your statement is completely illogical. Cantwell couldn’t get 100% of a “far-left” blog either. She won handily.

“Moreover, Pope has filing errors in his PDC forms as well.”

If so, I trust you or one of your staff will file a PDC complaint against him.

“Pope has resume issues as well, his biograpgical narrative dishonestly omits his time in Texas because it would call attention to the problems he ran into there.”

Oh please…do tell. What transgressions did Pope commit while he was in Texas? DUI? Fake a college degree to get a job? Fiscal mismanagement? What?

“And Pope has at least as difficult a time taking responsibility for the restraining orders, fines, removal from cases, and bar complaints in his background.”

That would, at worst, make the even on that point. How many college degrees has Richard faked? How many DUIs has he gotten arrested for?

“Pope has one MO, throw shit at other people so peple will be distracted from his stench. Has yet to work in his 11 attempts and, despite his best efforts, it won’t this time either.”

No question…Pope has effectively used public records to point out the weaknesses of numerous people and organizations. But…of course, they call it the “PUBLIC DISCLOSURE COMMISSION” for a good reason—it is open for scrutiny by citizens precisely to keep candidates honest and legal. Politicians who cannot effectively manage their campaign finances SHOULD be outed!

Arrest records are made public for a reason—the public has a right to know when someone commits a transgression against society.

“Filthy slur and a lie…” How so? You refused to send your losings to Hopelink, which, per your @47 comments, you acknowledge.

And if you think I’m dumb enough to let ANYONE hold $1,100 of my cash (I NEVER use or hold cash, BTW…too risky), you’ve got another thing coming! You put the douche in “fidouchiary” (caveat: misspelling intentional).

@50: You say you trust me, but let’s face it, I do not trust you. I have agreed to have any winnings go to Hopelite. You, on the other hand, have agreed to nothing beyond the odds, and further insist that I take your ‘word for it’ or be satisfied with some ‘photocopy receipt’ that any sentinet being could fake easily.

I have seen enough. He must have some gunpowder or they would not attack him like that. Wonder why they are not pumping Hague? Might it be that drinking thing? Perhaps she can’t hold her head up over the desk to talk to?

Instead of killing Pope, we should employ in the county DOG POUND to kill dogs! Yes, Jane Balogh’s pooch, I mean YOU!!! The last thing this county needs is Tim Eyman donors registering their dogs to vote — to “prove” there’s voting fraud! (There wasn’t until Balogh came along. At least, not this kind of fraud.) The solution to this problem is to throw Balogh’s ass in jail GET RID OF HER DOG!!! Think about it, mutt — the last thing you’re going to see on this earth is RICHARD POPE pulling on a pair of rubber gloves and smiling at you …

Looks like my master and her friends at the King County Republican Central Committee have overdone themselves this time in lying about Richard Pope. They are now insulting his late father — who was the person who filed for bankruptcy and didn’t show up for the hearing. Richard has never filed bankruptcy, and instead is a responsible homeowner and a caring father for his daughther — whom he has custody of. I told Jane that she should be nice and truthful, but she didn’t follow my advice. This will backfire heavily on Jane — blaming Richard for his late father’s bankruptcy.

Maybe the truth will come out about Jane and her relationship with her own parents. Jane’s mother died last September in Cincinnati. Did Jane even attend her own mother’s funeral? Then Jane sued her own sister in Cincinnati, claiming that the sister (who apparently cared for her mother until her death) had somehow ripped off the estate and alienated the mother into leaving everything to her. Jane’s lawyer sought to withdraw, because she disagreed with Jane’s legal strategy (often lawyerese for a desire to withdraw from a rather weak lawsuit). Jane then dismissed the lawsuit against her sister.

Maybe inquiring minds will ask Jane how well she gets along with her own father.

After a look at http://www.thetruthonpope.com, Richard’s problems seem to be more egregious than his opponent, oh, and the guy is F*ing crazy. Darryl, where is your condemnation of Pope attacking a woman during a deposition? How about his numerous fines and bar investigations? How about suing a number of public officials for no good reason? Wait.. let me quess, “Hague has problems and Richard is a good guy.” Save it, he’s got his own shit to deal with and I’m sticking with Jane’s record on the issues- something Pope can’t hold a candle to.

Hi. I am MLF’s best friend. This Balogh’s dog needs to be rolled. (Rolled is dog speak for kicking canine ass). As for Piper, well I just bet he is a cat lover. Bleeeech!. I hate cats. Love bunnies though.

I like Richard Pope if for no other reason than he has custody of his differently enabled daughter. You have to know that a man who has that kind love and patience must love doggies too.

You keep corrupting Hopelink’s name…Curious and aside from your unwillingness to agree to reasonable terms in re the bet…what do you have against that organization that causes you to do that?

The Piper

Typo, oh “homorus” one.

The terms are not at all unreasonable. It’s pretty standard stuff, you know, like credit checks, down payments, established lines of credit, etc., etc. In this instance cash guarantees honesty. Nothing personal.

To good to actually type the word “fuck”? Look, you keep making this out like there is some big secret. If it is big it would be out by now. The KCRP would be all over like like stink on shit. They know what that is because they are shit.

There is no secret. You like to dive in here, bomb away and then run away. This time, please, don’t come back.

I am still wondering about Pope and Texas. Someone knows something. Or, more likely, they know nothing at all.

Two are Pekingese and the one Doxie. The Pekes are letting us live here, and Stretch protects the joint. I also have a farms worth of animals out on my cousin’s acreage. We are still trying to find just the right place here.

Speaking of being wrong and loving. I feel the same about conservatives.

No offense, some Mac users are , well… anyway, I run Ubuntu on most of my household boxes as dual boot, only because I have retarded apps that are enslaved to microshaft.

Used to do the usual suspects: redhat (use it at work, some of the Postal Service servers use it) suse, slackware, debian, yadayada; Have run Digital Unix, and at work we recently phased out VMS (yes, really) on some stuff. Still run a lot of controllers there on OS2. Still fond of command line, etc….

“Congratulations Speaker Pelosi, now let the bombs fall where they may. My prediction: terror attack on domestic soil passenger aircraft within the next six months. Casualties in the 2-300 range. And, unfortunately, maybe that’s just what we need. It’s obvious people don’t remember what happened 5 years ago. Posted by FullContactPolitics at November 8, 2006 10:52 AM”

Not content to cheer on terrorists who fly airliners into buildings, wingnuts also delight in getting single moms fired from waitressing jobs for complaining about their children’s obnoxious behavior in restaurants.

Just so you’ll know…I have a niece who attended school literally in the shadow of the Twin Towers, and her mother, my VERY liberal sister, wouldn’t find your comments amusing especially since she spent several weeks answering the phone at St. Vincent Hospital telling people there was nothing that could be done, there was no information, there were no survivors…

Since you live in Fremont you probably aren’t faced with that struggle. That said, here’s the reason: with every problem she has she is still head and shoulders more competent and effective than her opponent who is crazy as a shithouse rat.

No law says you have to vote at all in a race. Want to make a statement? Refrain from casting a ballot. The message that sends when enough people do it is more impacting than voting for a joke candidate who will take your vote and the votes of other like mindeds and use them to justify his NEXT failed run for office.

Believe me…the negative press the incumbent continues to receive will do more than any vote for Pope.

You seem to be technology savy, so why not offer to help him set up a blog of his own where he can lob PDC and other political hand grenades from the proverbial cheap seats to his heart’s delight. In a role like that, he can be a hero to everyone instead of something on the bottom of our electoral shoe.

Pope has a history of instability BY TOP STAFF REPORTERS The Truth on Pope Richard Pope has persistent and serious instability issues that have prevented him from performing his job competently. Pope described himself with mental illness in filings with the United States District Court in 2005 (“my own mental health situation is terrible.”) (LINK: COURT DOCUMENTS)

Just last year Federal District Court Judge Marsha Pechman found Richard’s conduct in the same case to be so disturbing she took the extraordinary step of removing him from the case and referred his conduct to the State Bar of Washington for discipline. (LINK: COURT DOCUMENTS)

In March of this year Richard claimed, “I warned Bush in January 2001 John McKay can not be trusted” (LINK: REFERENCE)

In 1995, Richard Pope filed a restraining order against the late King County prosecutor Norm Maleng and the King County Sheriff to mandate that any arrests or charges against him should be delayed six days so that a court can review them first. In denying the motion the judge in the case informed Mr. Pope he should consider another profession.

Last year Richard Pope filed suit against Costco because he contends Costco’s “90-day emergency food supply package “discriminated against him because his religious beliefs required him to keep one year’s food supply” and the Costco Pack, “provided less than one third the calories that the Nazi’s gave to concentration camp inmates at Auschwitz.” The Suit was dismissed on May 3rd 2007. (LINK: COURT DOCUMENTS)

121…….. you must be voting for richard “the nut” pope then.look at your cutesy reply. instead of considering the fact that he is not qualified for anything other than an extended stay at western state, you make a richard pope-esque arguement. AKA…..a classic third grade “look over there!!!” you may be sorry you elected him if he gets in. and this really proves my point. you all HATED him when he was posing as a republican and now that he has a big “D” after his name…which stands for DUMB….. you will vote for him. just as i have said many times in the past….. goldy you and your peeps would vote for pinochet if he had a “D” after his name.

chadt…..i think everyone already knows that liberals have no interest in any opinions other than ones that they already have. so what? but then again….EVERYONE ALREADY KNOWS THAT. so it may come back to bite you when a democrat is NOT elected into the white house. it just isn’t going to happen. and speaking of unqualified people…obama??? if we are going to use your rhetoric against you [and i am] then obama and hillary are hardly qualified for the oval office…..just using the same standards that you apply to a body that means nothing [seattle city counsil]and the american people are way ahead of you. just keep up those moveon.commie ads…the gift that keeps on giving.LOL.

Obviously you meant to exclude Richard Pope since before he can be re-elected to anything he must get elected to something!

Oh, wait…he was once an ELECTED REPUBLICAN Precinct Committee Officer…As an elected REPUBLICAN, he was the lowest possible extension of the administration, so might as well get out the Cheney/Rove/Bush brush and tar him with it.

“Um let’s see: An isolated incident on Hague’s side versus a history of obessive, abusive and mental behavior on Pope’s side… plus absolutely no qualifications…”

WHAT THE FUCK???? Isolated incident, my ass.

Anyone who fakes having a college degree for years, in my opinion, belongs in prison. Effectively, she has gained positions at the expense of other people with college degrees. That “isolated incident” disqualifies her right there.

Isolated incident? Her record of fiscal mismanagement is outrageous! What the fuck makes her qualified to be a lawmaker when she can’t competently manage her own campaign finances?

Isolated incident of driving drunk, hiding it from her constituents, abusing the arresting officers in the process? That series of incidences alone disqualify her to hold office.

Nothing, but nothing, Richard Pope has done even comes close to Hagues transgressions. She should do the honorable things and just resign.

chadt….OHMYGOD…..thanks for the belly laugh! sheesh….that was good! if i wanted to gratify my own ego i sure as hell wouldn’t do it HERE……gawd…you are really clueless, aren’t you? too funny! and art ,my dear, pope was NEVER a republican. he is just crazy and ,though i often think [okay KNOW] that the dems are the party of crazies…i don’t think “nuts” really have their own party. not officially anyway. but if they did pope just joined it. you guys really think that mainstream america [you know…the people you think are too dumb to think for themselves] are going to vote for an “elitist defeatist” in the white house too don’t you? wrong wrong wrong again….but then, what else is new????

so, darryl….it’s just a case of vote for the lesser of two evils?? okay, what if i give you “forget about the KCGOP” stuff? what about everything goldy has spewed about pope since day one???HMMM??? you know…before he became a democrat? short term memory loss problem on your side? and honey, i don’t need to be in the cesspool that is washington state to know it’s a backwater cesspool. anyone that can read already knows that…..

you guys really think that mainstream america [you know…the people you think are too dumb to think for themselves] are going to vote for an “elitist defeatist” in the white house too don’t you? wrong wrong wrong again….but then, what else is new????

Well, I guess we’ll see. If you really thought so, you wouldn’t shrieking hysterically in here.

chadt….okay…i’m not “here”. i live in beautiful northern california where the kids can read and even the liberals make sense. you guys are so far behind. that’s why powerless whiners like goldy came out from the east coast. you were conquerable….. easily. big [slimy] fish meet little brackish pond.

chadt….OHMYGOD…..thanks for the belly laugh! sheesh….that was good! if i wanted to gratify my own ego i sure as hell wouldn’t do it HERE……gawd…you are really clueless, aren’t you? too funny! and art ,my dear, pope was NEVER a republican. he is just crazy and ,though i often think [okay KNOW] that the dems are the party of crazies…i don’t think “nuts” really have their own party. not officially anyway. but if they did pope just joined it

Well…I’ve interacted with Pope for a long time (since the election contest), and have generally felt he is smart and has a sense of integrity (and a low tolerance for corruption or incompetence). Sure…sometimes he has annoyed me, and I don’t always agree with him, but that’s minor stuff compared to Hague.

Christmasghost, if I recall correctly you are in management for a biotech firm. What would your reaction be to finding out that one of your employees told you they had a college degree (got the job and maybe got ahead of other equally qualified employees by virtue of the claim) but really turned out to be a college dropout? Do you see my point?

“what about everything goldy has spewed about pope since day one???HMMM???”

Goldy hasn’t “spewed” about Pope. The first thing he ever wrote about Pope (which, I suspect, reflects his current opinion of him) is this:

And finally, a big round of applause to HA regular Richard Pope for finally screwing up the courage to run for public office. Richard will be challenging 20-year incumbent Patricia Davis for Position No. 4. Despite the fact that I disagree with almost everything he writes in the comment threads — and quite frankly, I find him a little nutty — Richard strikes me as smart and honest and incorruptible… and so he has earned my official HA endorsement. (There… that should put the final nail in his political ambitions.)

And even when Goldy is saying negative things about him, he’ll throw in things like:

That said, unlike most of my righty trolls, Richard does sometimes make useful contributions to the occasionally lucid debate that somehow manages to survive the toxic wasteland of HA’s comment threads. And he’s also one of the few righties here who has the integrity and humility to back down when confronted by irrefutable facts. (Usually.)

“you know…before he became a democrat?”

That has little to do with it…Richard has run in non-partisan races since Horsesass has been around. In past races Richard has run as a Republican and, at least once, as a Democrat.

Come to think of it, I’ve been witness to a number of instances where someone was fired (as in given 15 minutes to be off the property) when it was discovered that the person had lied on his/her resume. Of course, the discovery was generally coincident with the person in question doing something conspicuously incompetent.

Then again, we’re talking about elective politics, where the biggest liars all too often get the jobs, and the most inept often keep theirs.

Richard Pope has not been driving around King County drunk and endangering people. Only a person with the greatest amount of self-knowledge would publicly admit to a mental problem. Only a truly stable and selfconfident soul would do that.

The REALLY sick ones drive around self-medicating themselves into drunkenness, and then excoriating the good constable that upbraids them for it!

(As you all can probably deduce, I am attempting to rectify my more gross prosaic offenses by imitating the prose styles of “The Piper” and James Fenimore Cooper.)

@112 I don’t find my comments amusing, either. Why comments like Griswold’s (a colorless nonentity who is merely parroting a theme widely found in the Wingnut Blogosphere) don’t provoke a public furor is beyond me.

Probably because the rightwing-owned MSM is more interested in stereotyping Hillary by reporting the Wingnut Blogosphere’s gambit of calling her laugh a “cackle” (not hard to figure out what they’re trying to stereotype her as) than reporting the daily outrages from the wingnut spew factories, one of the most heinous of which is rightwingers’ very public wishing for more terrorist attacks.

If your relatives — 9/11 victims or not — want to take offense at my criticism of these scumsucking sewer remarks, I’ll be more than happy to go toe-to-toe and eyeball-to-eyeball with them.

People who exploit 9/11 for partisan division ought to be thrown off a tall building.*

* Just kidding! Offensive death-humor ripped off from Ann Coulter Comic Productions, LLP, no royalties paid. If she doesn’t like it, she can fucking sue me!!!

This whole topic of the rightwing spewing venom of that character — and getting a free pass on it from the media — is beyond disgusting. It’s un-American, unpatriotic, and downright treason. No, I’m not laughing at you sick, twisted, bastards. It’s not funny at all. In fact, in a rational world, it would be impossible to believe that any political party, even one as irresponsible and reckless as the GOP, would let someone of Griswold’s character (and with his big mouth) represent them as a candidate in a legislative race. He isn’t fit to run for dogcatcher.

I don’t suppose the Griswold being referred to here could be related to Lucy Griswold, the erstwhile Owl Party candidate for State Treasurer. If I remember correctly, she wanted to gather up all the money in the state budget and stack it up on one place so people could see what it looked like.

@112 You are right about one thing, 9/11 was despicable. It was even worse than Pearl Harbor, which was an attack on a strategic military base to gain military advantage — 9/11 was a mass murder of civilians whose only object was horror. It should have provoked a relentless, merciless, determined search to the ends of the earth for the criminals who perpetrated it.

It didn’t. Our unelected leader was preoccupied with other things, such as invading a country that had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11, and was not a sanctuary for Al Qaeda bases. What could be more disgusting than this?

“”I don’t know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don’t care. It’s not that important. It’s not our priority. I am truly not that concerned about him.” — George W. Bush, March 13, 2002

Probably the only reason Bush didn’t get impeached for that remark is because he was protected by a bunch of brain-dead, impotent GOP sycophants in Congress, who in turn were supported by a horde of brain-dead circle-jerkers like you.

It’s not what you expect from the leader of a country whose citizens leaped out of windows, to splatter on the concrete 100 stories below, to avoid being burned alive. Hell, you don’t even expect that from the inmates of an insane asylum.

But that’s exactly what you and your fellow Republicans have foisted on our country for going on seven years now. And you have the gall to try to bully me with feigned outrage?

No, my friend,* you are not outraged. I am outraged. I believe in free speech and all, but I think people like Griswold (and all the other wingnuts regurgitating this especially vile wingnut mantra) ought to be fed to an angry mob. Then let the mob have their way with them.

As for you, go fuck yourself. I’m not going to let you wave 9/11 in my face as an excuse to question my patriotism because I have the decency and common sense to say that the wingnuts who use 9/11 for base partisan purpose lack both decency and patriotism. I’m just stating facts.

* Not really. Thank God, people like you are my enemies, not my friends. If I had friends like you, I’d have to get run over by a car or turn myself in to animal control.

However, thanks to Republican efforts, Iraq is now a sanctuary for al Qaeda and is likely to remain so for years to come; and thousands of young Americans will lose their lives trying to kick al Qaeda out of Iraq. Whatever else Saddam was — and there was nothing good about it — he was no pal of Osama nor ally of al Qaeda. But thanks to Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and the rest of the bungling wingnut crew, Iraq is now wide open to al Qaeda.

@157 I have no idea. Griswold was fingered as the author of that piece of rubbish by HA’s peripatetic sleuth, Richard Pope. Let’s ask Richard. He can probably figure out if she’s related to him — and get her criminal history, too.

Of course, Griswold was not the original author of that crap. He merely lifted it from the Wingnut Blogosphere. I have seen the same theme spewed by many other wingnuts, in many places. Probably how this works is some guy in a D.C. boiler room dreams it up, circulates it, then the GOP’s loyal crew of mindless lemmings pick up on it and disseminate it far and wide. People like Griswold neither add value to, nor exercise any judgment about, the original product. He’s merely a cardboard megaphone.

@158 Griswold, according to Richard Pope, is the guy who posted this treason on Sound Politics:

“Congratulations Speaker Pelosi, now let the bombs fall where they may. My prediction: terror attack on domestic soil passenger aircraft within the next six months. Casualties in the 2-300 range. And, unfortunately, maybe that’s just what we need. It’s obvious people don’t remember what happened 5 years ago. Posted by FullContactPolitics at November 8, 2006 10:52 AM”

I remember VMS. We even still have an old Vax in the basement here at home. I’ve also administered HP-UX systems, at the time the Windoze software for running mass spectrometers was not up to snuff. And we had one instrument that ran some proprietary command-line language that I never saw elsewhere. Our data stations are all XP systems now, the software has gotten better, but we have to keep them off our network because OS updates break the instrument control application. Sucks to be microsoft.

OK, now we can stop with the OS pissing wars. Lots of us old hand Mac users are multi-OS capable, we just like the Mac interface better and are more productive with them (in spite of the infrequent lack of apps for, say, hard-core statistics). I’m just a scientist, but science is all computer-dependent (rather than the old term, computer-assisted) these days.

Since he’s a presidential candidate (unbelievable as that sounds) under Secret Service protection, I can’t say what he deserves to have planted on his fat lip. I’ll have to leave that to your imagination. All I’ll say is this shows how bankrupt the GOP is. They can’t campaign on issues, because they wouldn’t have a snowball’s chance in hell if they did, and they know it. That’s why they resort to sewer rhetoric. Any voter with an iota of sentient consciousness will see through this tactic. That’s why Republicans are registering their dogs to vote.

@172@169 Maybe it’s conceivable that Piper, even though he’s a wingnut, has enough decency to be appalled by the bombast coming from the rightwing noise machine, as parroted by Griswold (among others).

I doubt it. I think you’re too charitable. He denounces anything and everything that annoys him, I should thing if he were appalled by something we’d have heard about it long before now.

It did occur to me that Pope’s letter in the matter of this judge is going to be seen by some as a conflict or interest at best or downright dirty at worst…

Don’t get me wrong, when judges of all people (not to mention county council members) lie on their CVs, they ought to be booted off the state bar and/or out of office “toot sweet.” Hey, I’ve got ethical guidelines I have to follow to keep my job too.

Well, that’s pretty low-level stuff, I suppose. Not having had to deal with our building’s networks in years and years, I haven’t had to get into that. Pretty glad about that. Those IT guys spend way to much time having to worry about parity of switches and other such crap. Doesn’t sound like they have any fun.

I don’t think it’s a conflict if the before the judge is a matter that he has a vested interest in. Clearly the credibility of Hague is in doubt, and an deferring the matter until after the election has an impact on Richard.

darryl@143……..i refer to that situation as pulling a ward churchill. and ,no, never had that happen because we do our background checks very thoroughly. since what we do can affect lives, not to mention the whole government clearance thing.but, yes, i would fire someone on the spot for that. absolutely. my point to you is that none of you even liked pope until he “became” a democrat. that seems quite disingenuous to me. but ,hey, anyone can change their mind right? you should probably just admit that it’s for all the wrong reasons. this whole tribal thing you far left dems have going on fascinates me.it appears that you don’t ever consider the good of the whole …just your “tribe” getting ahead power wise. not only is that childish it’s so counter productive it’s frightening. if all of you were so concerned about people driving drunk [how do you get home from drinking liberally anyway??? i’ll bet most DON’T take a cab]then you would be screaming….SCREAMING….from the rooftops about that supreme court judge. but you aren’t…are you? you forget, and i imagine it’s because you live in the intellectual vacuum known as washington state…..that the rest of us can read and do know how to do the math. keep forgetting……….. it would be more honest to just say”hey we hated richard when he was a [fake] republican and now we LOVE him because he’s turned democrat on us”. now…that would be refreshing. hague seems like as big a turkey as pope ,BUT, she isn’t as crazy. there’s your choice.

Agreed! And that is exactly what is going on here. Hague should be thrown out on her ass. (She should have had the decency to resign on her own.)

“my point to you is that none of you even liked pope until he “became” a democrat. that seems quite disingenuous to me.”

But it is simply not true. I’ve already shown how Goldy has always had a soft spot for Pope. I’ve written about Pope on Horsesass.org (here, here, here, here, here), and I have my own blog where I’ve written about Richard (here, here, here). You will not find any sense of malice toward Richard.

“but ,hey, anyone can change their mind right?”

Sure…but there is no issue of “changing ones mind” here. Jane Hague is the incumbent who has proven herself unworthy of being an elected official. That is the real story here.

Maybe this will provide perspective for you. I’ve written PLENTY of bad stuff about Luke Esser, but if the choice came down to Esser or Hague, I’d vote for Esser. I don’t like Esser’s politics, but he had not betrayed us the way Jane Hague has.

“this whole tribal thing you far left dems have going on fascinates me.”

It’s always seem more fascinating when you are misinformed, Doll. FYI: I am not a Democrat.

“it appears that you don’t ever consider the good of the whole …just your “tribe” getting ahead power wise. not only is that childish it’s so counter productive it’s frightening.”

WTF?????? You said yourself you would fire someone “on the spot” for faking a degree.

“if all of you were so concerned about people driving drunk [how do you get home from drinking liberally anyway??? i’ll bet most DON’T take a cab]

Simple, really. I don’t get drunk at Drinking liberally.

“then you would be screaming….SCREAMING….from the rooftops about that supreme court judge. but you aren’t…are you?”

Um…if she decides to run for re-election, you might well find that. If we also learn that she dropped out of law school before earning a JD you can bet your ass I’ll be blogging against her re-election!

“it would be more honest to just say”hey we hated richard when he was a [fake] republican and now we LOVE him because he’s turned democrat on us”.”

No…that is how you imagine it works, but you are clearly wrong. And, for some people, supporting Pope over Hague does not suggest “love” of Pope. Only recognition that Hague is deeply flawed.

“hague seems like as big a turkey as pope ,”

Yet, Richard hasn’t faked a college degree, hasn’t been arrested for DUI, abusing the police in the process. Hasn’t badly mismanaged campaign funds. Richard’s “flaws” are relatively minor occupational hazards of being a lawyer.

DUI is NOT an occupational hazard of being an elected official.

“BUT, she isn’t as crazy.”

But Richard isn’t “crazy.” A self-assessment that one’s state of mental health is not good shortly the loss of a parent is just plain honest.

Politicians who drive drunk REALLY ARE CRAZY, self destructive, and a real danger to society.

darryl……..”Politicians who drive drunk REALLY ARE CRAZY, self destructive, and a real danger to society.”

i completely agree with you. now….if you would only apply that same standard to every single democrat [or whoever] that you LIKE…then you would be on the right track. how many times have we all listened to the looney left or the crazy far right attack someone for being all too human only to see that same person giving a free pass to someone who did the same thing…because they are in “their tribe”. the supreme court judge. you don’t have to wait for election or appointment. doesn’t it worry you at all that in the mean time this DRUNK is making very important decisions in your state RIGHT NOW? it should and it would show a strength of character that i found disturbingly lacking in washington state when i lived there. and it seems nothing has changed. an example: global warming and ron sims. need i say more….really????

@187 When did we give anyone a free pass? If you’re referring to Bobbe Bridge, we roundly criticized her on this blog, and she is not seeking re-election. Her drunk driven escapade cost her her job and reputation, and no one here is weeping for her.

There are many differences between liberals and neoCONS — far too many to list here — but one of them is that we do not defend Democratic wrongdoing, nor do Democratic officeholders cover up and stonewall the lawbreaking of their party colleagues like Republicans do.

“doesn’t it worry you at all that in the mean time this DRUNK is making very important decisions in your state RIGHT NOW?”

No…what concerns me is that she might be driving drunk and potentially kill or injure someone. But, in fact, Justice Bridge now has an alcohol-measuring device that she must use to start her car. She has also served her sentence with dignity. That isn’t to excuse her reckless behavior in any way…. There is one other big difference: she isn’t a liar.

Compare to Jane Hague, who tried to hide her arrest. She is fighting the charges. She is blaming others and not taking responsibility for her actions. She has lied for years about being a college graduate. She has publicly denied she was drunk. THAT scares me. But…you know what REALLY adds to the piss-off factor for me? She was driving drunk in MY CITY.

The main reason why we don’t have more decent and capable elected officials? Just look at the comments here by people who would impugn a mans character for political gain. The fact is the only thing anyone can say bad about Richard Pope is his breakdown during a time in his life when his father had died (Richard had cared for him for several years in his house) and also when he became sole parent for his autistic child. The country is going down the tubes because of people like you. What a bunch of heartless people: to try and tear a man down for political gain, I can’t think of anything lower; you are truly the scum of the earth.

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