I know, this is like the fart in church. I'm not posting this to be antagonistic. I happened to be one of those that don't believe in Christianity but accept that this is what most people in my community believe. I get along just the same....Since we like to question institutions around here then whats wrong with questioning this?

Anyway, check this out as point of conversation:

Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ'
Biblical scholars will be appearing at the 'Covert Messiah' Conference at Conway Hall in London on the 19th of October to present this controversial discovery to the British public.

London (PRWEB UK) 8 October 2013

American Biblical scholar Joseph Atwill will be appearing before the British public for the first time in London on the 19th of October to present a controversial new discovery: ancient confessions recently uncovered now prove, according to Atwill, that the New Testament was written by first-century Roman aristocrats and that they fabricated the entire story of Jesus Christ. His presentation will be part of a one-day symposium entitled "Covert Messiah" at Conway Hall in Holborn (full details can be found at http://www.covertmessiah.com).

Although to many scholars his theory seems outlandish, and is sure to upset some believers, Atwill regards his evidence as conclusive and is confident its acceptance is only a matter of time. "I present my work with some ambivalence, as I do not want to directly cause Christians any harm," he acknowledges, "but this is important for our culture. Alert citizens need to know the truth about our past so we can understand how and why governments create false histories and false gods. They often do it to obtain a social order that is against the best interests of the common people."

Atwill asserts that Christianity did not really begin as a religion, but a sophisticated government project, a kind of propaganda exercise used to pacify the subjects of the Roman Empire. "Jewish sects in Palestine at the time, who were waiting for a prophesied warrior Messiah, were a constant source of violent insurrection during the first century," he explains. "When the Romans had exhausted conventional means of quashing rebellion, they switched to psychological warfare. They surmised that the way to stop the spread of zealous Jewish missionary activity was to create a competing belief system. That's when the 'peaceful' Messiah story was invented. Instead of inspiring warfare, this Messiah urged turn-the-other-cheek pacifism and encouraged Jews to 'give onto Caesar' and pay their taxes to Rome."

Was Jesus based on a real person from history? "The short answer is no," Atwill insists, "in fact he may be the only fictional character in literature whose entire life story can be traced to other sources. Once those sources are all laid bare, there's simply nothing left."

Atwill's most intriguing discovery came to him while he was studying "Wars of the Jews" by Josephus [the only surviving first-person historical account of first-century Judea] alongside the New Testament. "I started to notice a sequence of parallels between the two texts," he recounts. "Although it's been recognised by Christian scholars for centuries that the prophesies of Jesus appear to be fulfilled by what Josephus wrote about in the First Jewish-Roman war, I was seeing dozens more. What seems to have eluded many scholars is that the sequence of events and locations of Jesus ministry are more or less the same as the sequence of events and locations of the military campaign of [Emperor] Titus Flavius as described by Josephus. This is clear evidence of a deliberately constructed pattern. The biography of Jesus is actually constructed, tip to stern, on prior stories, but especially on the biography of a Roman Caesar."

How could this go unnoticed in the most scrutinised books of all time? "Many of the parallels are conceptual or poetic, so they aren't all immediately obvious. After all, the authors did not want the average believer to see what they were doing, but they did want the alert reader to see it. An educated Roman in the ruling class would probably have recognised the literary game being played." Atwill maintains he can demonstrate that "the Roman Caesars left us a kind of puzzle literature that was meant to be solved by future generations, and the solution to that puzzle is 'We invented Jesus Christ, and we're proud of it.'"

Is this the beginning of the end of Christianity? "Probably not," grants Atwill, "but what my work has done is give permission to many of those ready to leave the religion to make a clean break. We've got the evidence now to show exactly where the story of Jesus came from. Although Christianity can be a comfort to some, it can also be very damaging and repressive, an insidious form of mind control that has led to blind acceptance of serfdom, poverty, and war throughout history. To this day, especially in the United States, it is used to create support for war in the Middle East."

Atwill encourages skeptics to challenge him at Conway Hall, where after the presentations there is likely to be a lively Q&A session. Joining Mr.Atwill will be fellow scholar Kenneth Humphreys, author of the book "Jesus Never Existed."

'buried' or 'new'? not really...
'infowars' using texts and scrolls and manuscripts
has/was ALWAYS been around for Millenia.
'Lost' books and teachings etc..
It proves one thing...
infowar tactics and agendas for the 'war' on minds and hearts
have and always will be with us.
Happy NEW year ya'll!
You're my BROTHERS AND SISTERS in the GOOD fight here on DP.
Love you all..
viva la R3VOLTION!

I have had encounters with God, Jesus! In amazing ways. He will reveal himself to those that seek him with all their heart. It's not false. It's not a figment of imagination. God & Jesus are real! As real as your arm! I have had partial out of body experience and KNOW! JESUS IS REAL!!! You choose to know. Not just in the partial out of body experience but just in my house. This is not Looney! IT'S REAL & TRUE!!! God will reveal himself to those who will seek him with all their heart. The Bible says in:

Jeremiah 29:13

King James Version (KJV)

13 And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.

why do the moderaters allow such posts to be posted and reposted and reposted by someone who obviously has an agenda: to get us involved in pseudo debates over theories that are so ludicrous that serious, informed historians, whether Christians or agnostics or atheists wouldn't even give them the time of day. You seriously have to ignore all known, established facts about the start and the spread of the Christian faith to even consider such a stupid theory: Rome and Josephus together invented Jesus and the Christian faith. Just knowing basic facts about church history and Roman history make the theory completely impossible. It is so stupid, I'm amazed the author isn't ashamed to present the theory to an informed public. But there are obviously many here on the forum who are completely uninformed on the entire subject. There's no other way for me to explain support for a theory with absolutely no support in the works of authors, historians or statesmen who lived and wrote during the period. And if the author was challenged to reveal his sources, it would become obvious that the king has no clothes on.

Why did the Roman state do it's best to eliminate the Christian Church during the first 300 years of it's existence? Oh, I know: they just pretended to be against the church, but really they were paying the bishops salaries and working together with them, a big conspiracy! They just happend to slaughter thousands of Christians in the process. The facts are the exact opposite: they saw the Christians as a threat because they didn't worship the God's of the fathers, and therefore they were responsible for every calamity that came along: every earthquake or famine or disease, in a similar way to the treatment of the Jews in the middle ages in Europe.

This kind of thread discredits the Daily Pail; it gives outsiders the impression of a bunch af lunatic conspiracy theorists discussing pseudo-science. And my impression is that the troll who keeps posting this garbage has exactly that in mind.

One thing the first amendment of the Bill of Rights has demonstrated by including the following expression "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" is that, for this reason, there exists thousands of churches to choose from in this country. If a person is not satisfied with the services provided by a certain Church they are free to join another or choose not to join.
Imagine if a congress of church institutions had a similar Bill of Rights stating that the congress of churches can make no law respecting an establishment of any government, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof". In this case people would be free to believe in government and form States of their choice and donate money to their State if they choose. Hypothetically there would be thousands of States for people to voluntarily participate in or not.

However, I will say that there is a push to eliminate any and all religion, and though I'm not religious, I think that is not gov't's job.

Christianity of course would be the first to go.

So, even though I don't feel threatened by it, I do think it has a meaning in the bigger picture -- which is -- that in the planned society of the future, the government is to be your GOD and so therefore they can't be any others.

It's ironic that many of the same people who think every single shooting is a false flag and every single commercial plane is spewing chemtrails have fallen for the ultimate gov false flag that rules over every aspect of their lives as it's done to people for 2000 years.

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"In reality, the Constitution itself is incapable of achieving what we would like in limiting government power, no matter how well written."

People are afraid of the unknown so they build elaborate fictions to explain the unknown then they band together to fortify those beliefs through numbers. If you attack that, all the fear of the unknown threatens to boil to the surface and that's just too big a "cross to bear" for most people.

The fact is if you take anyone and preach a fairy tale to them from birth, they are going to be hard wired to believe it. If these same people were told from birth about a six headed hermaphrodite unicorn god, they would be arguing just as vehemently for that right now.

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"In reality, the Constitution itself is incapable of achieving what we would like in limiting government power, no matter how well written."

Funny, never have seen Zeitgeist. Thanks for demonstrating the human propensity for inventing stories to fill in what they don't understand. Again, elements from nearly every religion in the region prior to Christianity are contained within. This isn't even up for debate. Let me guess, you were conveniently born into a Christian based faith so lucky for you you were born into the "right" religion while everyone else is just unlucky and in order to be "saved" they'll have to abandon the religion/family they were born into to be saved. How convenient for you.

Listen, I understand the appeal. The unknown is scary. Fill in the blanks and then get on with the rest of your life. I'm simply more comfortable admitting these are things none of us could possibly know.

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"In reality, the Constitution itself is incapable of achieving what we would like in limiting government power, no matter how well written."

I was not born into a Christian family as neither of my parents were Christian nor are any of my parents or siblings today. I simply know my history and know when to call B.S. on bad historicity and bad scholarship.

History is completely knowable, you just have to actually read it. It is not at all "unknown" that the church precedes the Roman Jewish War and that therefor the "Jesus Roman invention theory" is false, it is simply unknown to you because you are historically ignorant. Nobody here is filling in the blanks, it is simply bad historicity to think Jesus was not a real person who existed prior to the Jewish war and Josephus.

Yes, it's completely knowable and you refuse to know it. Can you even read? You're addressing arguments I didn't even make! You're like a slot car and if it isn't on the track you're on, you are lost. It's like I asked you what your favorite cookie is and you're answering "shoes" for some reason.

History, not a magic comic book about a "Sky Fairy", is something you might want to look into, but I won't be holding my breath.

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"In reality, the Constitution itself is incapable of achieving what we would like in limiting government power, no matter how well written."

Listen, anyone with half a brain can look at the history of religion and see Christianity is just an amalgamation of dozens if not hundreds of other religions. Religion is mainly inherited. Take a kid and instead of telling him about Jesus tell him from birth about a magic bunny that lives at the center of the earth and controls us and our afterlife and the same person who would have grown up to be a devout Christian is now a devout Bunnyite.

I understand the appeal of religion, but if there is a god and he did give me a logical mind then he would understand the only logical choice I can make about religion is to say "I just don't know." That's the only honest answer anyone can give.

Governments have a choice to make with religion. They can either embrace it and use it as a means of control or they can see it as a threat vying for people's allegiance instead of the government's.

Most use it as a means of control. When people are taught their suffering in this life is god's plan, they tend to become more accepting of that suffering as inevitable. They are told this suffering will lead to eternal reward in an afterlife and it's just the price they need to pay to get there.

Me personally, I don't know about any afterlife. As far as I know, this is it. So I'm not waiting for some eternal reward that may not even exist. I choose to make the most of this life and having some government mafia think it owns me just because I was born on their "turf" is b******t.

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"In reality, the Constitution itself is incapable of achieving what we would like in limiting government power, no matter how well written."

"Listen, anyone with half a brain can look at the history of religion and see Christianity is just an amalgamation of dozens if not hundreds of other religions."

Ok please name the amalgam of religions that it is like, and remember that it came out of the only monotheistic religion in the world, so if your amalgamation is based on polytheism you are in trouble. Good luck with the Mr. Zietgiest watching, historically ignorant fool.

Why would a Jewish God inspire a pro-Roman book that taught Jews it was okay to live under Roman rule; turn the other cheek when beaten; and pay taxes to Caesar?

Do you REALLY think the Torah Jews (who hated the Romans) would attempt to usher in a pacifistic-tax paying messiah that believed it was okay to live under Roman rule; turn the other cheek, and pay taxes to Caesar?

They were in the middle of a bloody war with the Romans. Do you REALLY believe they were attempting to usher in a tax paying pacifist who believed it was okay to live under Roman rule?

Really???

They were attempting to usher in David; the Romans did not like this militaristic movement, it threatened their taxation of the people if they were to join this movement. They had to conquer Jerusalem and bring things back to order.

Go read the book of Romans and ask yourself why in the hell that book is even in a book inspired by a Jewish God.

Then go read the book of Titus and realize that is Vespasian leaving instructions for his son (Titus) on how to accustom their new slaves (Jews they defeated in the war) to be obedient to their new masters.

Historical scholars have beaten the tar out of these wild speculations and conspiracies for decades. It's just too many people watched Zeitgeist, genuinely believed the drivel and the assumption that some dude with no historical training could take down the entire ancient historical scholarly community from his basement somewhere, and are chasing after anything they can get their hands on to validate the presuppositions about Jesus that they desperately want to be true.

He was a historical figure. We have source documents that can be traced back to one year after his crucifixion. Atheist and agnostic historical scholars are on this page. We know that people saw, or thought they saw, him raised from the dead, and genuinely believed it, up to their deaths BECAUSE they believed it. This is not believing a physical principle and martyring for that. this is believing in an EVENT. Totally different things.

Get over it.

Besides, Christianity is the absolutely stupidest religion you could possibly invent to try to enslave people. Think about it: "you need redemption". The state taking over there would say "so do all of this shit we demand from you or you don't get it".

Christianity says: "you need redemption. You are not capable of attaining it. God in his grace took the punishment pre-wired into his creation and extended his grace to you, and all you have to do is believe it. You are no longer a slave to the law. you are free to go and do good, now".

Yes, totally makes sense from a statist perspective. Only the most self-destructive of governments, ever, would attempt to use theologically accurate Christianity to attempt to control people.

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