StorminMormon86 wrote:Everyone keeps saying the refs were awful last night, but outside of the stupid roughing the passer call on Baker, I don't remember any bad calls. Maybe a bad spot here or there, but it's not like they cost us the game. Lack of execution by our offense in crunch time cost us this one.

Could you be anymore obvious...trying to find a way to pin the loss on rg3.....after letting ponder look like joe montana...russell wilson can have a terrible game but yet he will still win the game...why? cuz of his defense....ala against carolina, st louis this season

When did I pin it on RG3? We all collectively know our defense is atrocious and that the only way we can win games is if our offense carries the team. We scored 3 points in the 2nd half against a horrible defense that didn't have 4 of it's starters. Explain to me how that's all on our defense.

StorminMormon86 wrote:Everyone keeps saying the refs were awful last night, but outside of the stupid roughing the passer call on Baker, I don't remember any bad calls. Maybe a bad spot here or there, but it's not like they cost us the game. Lack of execution by our offense in crunch time cost us this one.

Could you be anymore obvious...trying to find a way to pin the loss on rg3.....after letting ponder look like joe montana...russell wilson can have a terrible game but yet he will still win the game...why? cuz of his defense....ala against carolina, st louis this season

When did I pin it on RG3? We all collectively know our defense is atrocious and that the only way we can win games is if our offense carries the team. We scored 3 points in the 2nd half against a horrible defense that didn't have 4 of it's starters. Explain to me how that's all on our defense.

The offense scored 24 in the first half? You put up 27 points in this league, you should win. You get a double digit lead on a team that effectively only has a rushing attack, you should win. The defense should have been able to stop them at that point, since the lead effectively took away the Viking's best asset, but apparently no one decided to tell the defense they also actually had to play the pass.

17/21 for Ponder, passer rating of 113.1. 4/6 for Cassell, passer rating of 90.3. Ponder's passer rating last night was 30 points higher than his previous high this year. Are you freaking kidding me that you're pinning this one on the offense?

Edited to add: just read that the Redskins have allowed 287 points through nine games. That is the most they have allowed through nine games since the 1954 season.

Good lord. The fact we even had 3 wins is impressive in that light. This isn't a bad defense, it's a historically bad one.

PulpExposure wrote:You put up 27 points in this league, you should win.

Not with our defense. The loss is not squarely on our defense. A huge part of it is, but not all of it.

That's the point you keep missing by trying to place blame on the offense. Like I said in the other chat, we had 5 scoring drives out of 8 and should've had a 6th on the ending drive (holding on reed hurt and high pass to garcon hurt). The point I and others are making, is that, if your offense scores 27 points in the NFL you should win more then you lose and we have struggle to win these games because our defense is inept. It's HISTORICALLY bad as pulp stated, you cannot blame this loss on the offense.

oneman56 wrote:It's HISTORICALLY bad as pulp stated, you cannot blame this loss on the offense.

They still deserve some blame. 3 points in the 2nd half is not good, no matter what lead you have. You need to play 4 quarters of football.

Its a team game. Of course the offense deserves some of the blame. How about Logan Paulsen catching that TD in the first half instead of having to settle for 3 points at the 1. How about that freaking awful punt from Rocca that was like net 5 yards?

I just don't agree with your earlier statement that they were horrendous, because they weren't. The fact that the Vikings D had a couple good series and stopped them a few times in the third quarter doesn't make that so. It just highlights how bad our own defense was.

riggofan wrote:Its a team game. Of course the offense deserves some of the blame. How about Logan Paulsen catching that TD in the first half instead of having to settle for 3 points at the 1. How about that freaking awful punt from Rocca that was like net 5 yards?

I just don't agree with your earlier statement that they were horrendous, because they weren't. The fact that the Vikings D had a couple good series and stopped them a few times in the third quarter doesn't make that so. It just highlights how bad our own defense was.

Well you could also say if Griffin didn't throw halfway out of bounds to Moss that would have been a TD too. You're right. They weren't horrendous. They were non-existent in the 2nd half. Our defense played "decent" in the first half, and they too decided to call it a day in the 2nd. Outside of burning 5 minutes on the clock in the 3rd and kicking a field goal, our offense did nothing.

StorminMormon86 wrote:Everyone keeps saying the refs were awful last night, but outside of the stupid roughing the passer call on Baker, I don't remember any bad calls. Maybe a bad spot here or there, but it's not like they cost us the game. Lack of execution by our offense in crunch time cost us this one.

Could you be anymore obvious...trying to find a way to pin the loss on rg3.....after letting ponder look like joe montana...russell wilson can have a terrible game but yet he will still win the game...why? cuz of his defense....ala against carolina, st louis this season

Some of us would rather discuss how our own players could improve their game, rather than complaining about the refs.

- RGIII threw a pass too high to Garcon to tie the game- Reed dropped the game tying TD- RGIII led Moss out of bounds on a game tying TD

Despite all the crap the refs did/didn't do, their destiny was in their hands and they failed. They failed.

StorminMormon86 wrote:Everyone keeps saying the refs were awful last night, but outside of the stupid roughing the passer call on Baker, I don't remember any bad calls. Maybe a bad spot here or there, but it's not like they cost us the game. Lack of execution by our offense in crunch time cost us this one.

Could you be anymore obvious...trying to find a way to pin the loss on rg3.....after letting ponder look like joe montana...russell wilson can have a terrible game but yet he will still win the game...why? cuz of his defense....ala against carolina, st louis this season

Some of us would rather discuss how our own players could improve their game, rather than complaining about the refs.

- RGIII threw a pass too high to Garcon to tie the game- Reed dropped the game tying TD- RGIII led Moss out of bounds on a game tying TD

Despite all the crap the refs did/didn't do, their destiny was in their hands and they failed. They failed.

Actually,Reed was held so he dropped a pass, garcon dropped a pass that was catchable by any NFL wr, and moss bBobbled a td catch and didn't get his feet down. Most starting vets catch that. Rgiii put all three passes in a position for someone to do their job and make a play- not every pass has to be in a key hole window... No blame on rgiii this game... At all IMO he killed it!

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Some of us would rather discuss how our own players could improve their game, rather than complaining about the refs.

I know there are people who complain about the refs after almost any loss, but in this case I think it's legitimate to talk about it. I almost never bring up the refs as a reason we lost, but I felt that they played a crucial role in Thursday's game.

- RGIII threw a pass too high to Garcon to tie the game

It wasn't perfect, but it was catchable. But let's go ahead and say RGIII is to blame.

- Reed dropped the game tying TD

He should have caught it, but I think being a rookie the pass interference was too much to overcome. I bet he makes that catch in year 2 or 3.

- RGIII led Moss out of bounds on a game tying TD

Wrong: RGIII placed that ball nearly perfectly on a covered receiver. It was a difficult catch to make, no doubt, but Moss could have made it had he done a better job dragging his feet OR securing the ball when it hit his hands. Moss has made catches like that before. (That said, I don't really blame Moss either. It was a very tough catch and he almost made it. To me this is just one of those "game of inches" moments where no one really is to blame.)

Despite all the crap the refs did/didn't do, their destiny was in their hands and they failed. They failed.

Agreed. I don't ultimately blame the refs. It would have been nice not to be handicapped by them, though.

"I’m never under the assumption that you draft for need. You draft the best available football player on the board. ... Because, in the long run, they are the ones who will help you win the most games." - Scot McCloughan

I don't blame the refs but hopefully somebody this week points out the glaring mistakes they made

I HAVE A QUESTION ….

I remember that Orakpo and Kerrigan were being held a lot and not getting the calls …

does anyone have any idea from film that these guys are still not getting all of the blatant holding calls?

now I know that there's a lot of holding, by us and by the opposition - I'm just asking

until Dan Snyder lets NFL people make ALL the decisions on who coaches & plays, we will be a mediocre franchise each season starts with high hopes & expectations - & ends with us knowing we should have done better with who we have

until Dan Snyder lets NFL people make ALL the decisions on who coaches & plays, we will be a mediocre franchise each season starts with high hopes & expectations - & ends with us knowing we should have done better with who we have

"does anyone have any idea from film that these guys are still not getting all of the blatant holding calls?"

Not from film no, if I am understanding your question. What I think it is, I get ridiculed for on here. I believe that all teams get the good and bad calls. Then there is

what I believe to be true. I think when you have money and gambling involved there will be outside interference. Casinos, mafia, people in charge can sway the game a little to benefit

the spread. People gamble. People are naive. Then, there are just the missed calls or bad calls involved. No one is perfect. It is exacerbating at times. I want to bang my head on the side walk

when I see Mike Tyson knocking someone out with a punch that never hit them. In football the game can't be controlled just by the refs. The players have to play and beat refs and the team they are playing.