I vote for ephedrine. I got more energy and appetite suppression. I initially went with one of those ephedra/caffeine stacks before I knew about good ole bronkaid, and it felt like a huge caffeine boost. With ephedrine, I get a much crazier appetite suppression. As far as fatloss goes, there are too many variables, but I believe science dictates that ephedrine will outperform ephedra.

I vote for ephedrine. I got more energy and appetite suppression. I initially went with one of those ephedra/caffeine stacks before I knew about good ole bronkaid, and it felt like a huge caffeine boost. With ephedrine, I get a much crazier appetite suppression. As far as fatloss goes, there are too many variables, but I believe science dictates that ephedrine will outperform ephedra.

Did you use one of those OTC Ephedra extracts that are available these days?

Just wondering since they are nothing the same. Im sure you know this but the Ephedra products available these days have no real alkaloids in them like old school Mahuang ephedra.

As far as science there is not enough to prove or disprove anything, and ephedra studies are severely lacking especially in regards to athletic performance.

No problem. Just how prevalent is this black market? I'd love to try it as I was way too young to use it when it was legal

Well I found a website that sells EC stacks, NYC stacks, other goodies including something rather rare which is Ostarsim (sp? lol) in the pill form...

The issue here is that you have to be careful what you put in your body because we dont know if these companies are lab testing their raws. Company is active in one of them steroid forums though so you can speak with a rep, not that it means anything about quality.

Well I found a website that sells EC stacks, NYC stacks, other goodies including something rather rare which is Ostarsim (sp? lol) in the pill form...

The issue here is that you have to be careful what you put in your body because we dont know if these companies are lab testing their raws. Company is active in one of them steroid forums though so you can speak with a rep, not that it means anything about quality.

Thanks for the heads up man. I have 24 hour access to HPLC with my new research so maybe I can get a sample from them prior to buying.

Ephedra vs. Ephedrine...that is Ephedra aka Mahuang not the current marketing gimmicks currently sold such as Ephedra leaves or extracts that contain no real alkaloids found in banned Ephedra.

I want people to vote who actually used both and have a real vote out of experience.

Regardless of the differences (appetite, direct fat loss, other reasons) of why one may work over the other in regards to weight loss, please choose what you have had most success with for cutting.

Please disregard all negative side effects, this poll is about effectiveness not overall quality compared to sides.

My vote is Ephedra by far.

Over 20 years experience with both the synthetic and herbal extracts, including from both source genus': Sida Cordifolia and Ma Huang.

THE SHORT ANSWER: Provided you have a quality extract, both the synthetic and herbal E plus C have been shown to be both safe and efficacious. This, according to peer reviewed, published studies done at Beth Israel Medical Center (branch of Harvard), Columbia University and overseas. The synthetic is prone to a sharper rise/fall in energy levels, given it usually consists of the two strongest stereo-isomers. The herbal equivalents, lead to a smoother rise/fall which many enjoy as it mitigates the "crash" associated with such.

If I had my druthers (and I do... ), I rather favor the herbal extracts given they're less harsh and convey a better appetite suppression effect, over a longer time period. It's difficult these days though, to obtain those quality extracts vs. years past. The synthetics are easy enough to find, but in the U.S. they require a drivers license/other ID plus signature. Not a big fan of that. You should know that the import laws allow for up to 6g it is I believe, by mail order and up to 9 at point of sale - in any 30 day period.

Interesting note: Restricting ephedrine/ephedra sales in this country was done via The Patriot Act, of all things.