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Something not mentioned in the video is value over time, I.E upgradability. Would love to see a video where they make approximations of each parts viable lifetime, and show plausible current and future upgradepaths and what the value preposition becomes then.

AMD also has a upgrade path. Intel regularly dumps support for current chipsets when they release a new CPU even though the performance gains are minimal and after a couple of years if you are looking for upgrades you will more than likely have to change your motherboard and CPU at once on Intel.

LOL american prices are seriously FUCKED. In Canada, I3 8350k is $320+ and the ryzen 5 2600 is $230, Come to Canada and you'll definitely see the price to performance that AMD has over swagtel. Ryzen 5 2600 and 2600x shit all over the I3 and cost 30% less, its literally a no brainer. The real title of this video should be, "Why does everyone like to be shit on by Intel"

llinus AMD is for smart people like me that want the best for my money ,,I build miners and I am glad I bought the right RX590 NITRO cards for my miners and they work great and I see Nvidia trying to keep up with the 200 to 250 usd cards and I am glad to see the MH/z clock listings recently

Productivity would also be interesting as i'm guessing the intel chip would win in premiere (quicksync) but the Ryzen chip would smash rendering? Nice video; worth a part 2 for productivity and then an all round balance?

Really loved this video! I've got plenty of friends making commitments to PC Gaming and this is a great introduction to budgeting their systems out! I really would have wished that you mentioned something about an i7's value proposition for this budget as I feel like many people automatically jump to them.

Honestly AMD (right now the 2700x) at the just below top end gaming machine is the top pick IMHO. Especially if you're looking at 1440p or greater where the advantages of a 9700k or 9900k diminish greatly do to being GPU bound, and what does that cheaper price on the AMD get you? A serious upgrade to GPU. For example the 2700x is regularly $310, but it also goes down quite a bit by $10-$20 less, even more commonly you can get some killer combo deals on newegg with a great MB or RAM and get anywhere from $20-$50 off. Likewise you get a pretty good stock cooler with it, often compared to say a $40-$50 aftermarket cooler. The 9700k is $420 and no cooler. all this plus cheaper motherboard options (that you can also get at some great deals or combo deals) typically means you can net about $150-$200 savings going 2700x and the 9700k is only a minimal amount better on CPU bound games, usually at 1080p, and usually no faster at 1440p or greater. Likewise multicore is a toss up between the two, 16 vs 8 threads in the AMD camp nets you some wins in some cases, while the 9700k with equal cores and higher clockspeeds nets you in some others. That $200 or so dollars will add a massive amount to your gaming results if applied either towards a GPU, a good monitor, or honestly to something else. Again 1440p you lost a couple FPS (and maybe none at all) but getter more FPS in GPU, higher refresh or better image quality in a better monitor, or maybe something like a better keyboard, mouse, headset, better chair, desk, faster drives, more high speed drives so you install less etc. Honestly unless you are either beyond having a budget at all (even if you have deep pockets) or you just need to get to that 240 fps in 1080p games (say an aspiring FPS pro or something) it just doesn't make sense, the price difference for the limited gain is just too much. There are countless ways to improve your gaming experience even if you've been dropping it like it's hot on components. Even then you can take that extra money that won't really benefit you much and spend them on games or software if nothing else. My wife and I got a set of 1080 tis for our gaming rigs last year (and for context I'm running a caselabs case so don't mind spending extra money for the quality)... this year when we upgrade CPU we could have dropped more on a 9700k or even a 9900k, but I just couldn't justify it. It really just doesn't add up unless we basically had an almost unlimited budget for our rigs and all of our gaming equipment and games. Just my opinion though.

+Linus random question: why do I get the Video_scheduler_internal_error BSOD and how do I fix it? After all I tried it appears it is related to graphics card driver or hardware but I'm not sure which. I don't have a second gfx card to test. I do know that with the gfx driver completely removed using DDU, it doesn't crash. But as soon as Windows update auto installs the driver, it crashes.

Because its way cheaper and you can upgrade old motherboards with new processors. Or you can buy older products for dirt friggin cheap. That little performance penalty isn't worth 2-3x the money for most people

An important thing to consider for budget gamers is that AM4 will be compatible with new CPUs for the foreseeable future, while the Intel chipsets can be expected to run away before you can say 'WAIITTTTT!..."

I've been looking at lap tops for a few games for under 450 and then at 300 pounds which had been intresting refebs the way to go on 300 pound budget but new amd was the way at 450 2500u and on board gpu blasts Intel for game performance from what I can tell on reading on line

Personally I think it's silly to hold yourself to such a tight budget on something like a PC purchase which should last you 3-5 years especially on the CPU side. An 8700k vs 2700x build is a lot more interesting to me, as they should be fairly similar in prices. The 8700k would win in gaming and the 2700x in productivity while the 8700k system would be about $75-$100 more for the processor (if you can get it at $330 which it goes on sale for all the time) and overclocking board, over 3 years that's like $2.50-$3.00 a month difference. I would also advise a SSD at minimum for boot drive with your primary game on it to reduce texture load times and give a much better experience.

FX processors anyone! Yeah, it's kinda sad I switched to a Ryzen 5 1500x when it came out. I discount on it from Newegg, so it was cheaper than Intel's current offerings. Once I got that I just slapped it into a cheap b350 and I was good to go!

Here is something to think about...Without AMD to keep it honest, how much would an 8400k cost? Competition keeps the tech advancing, keeps prices low, and ensures a constant stream of new/faster tech.

I would like to see some comparisons between low PC hardware to high end server hardware for media servers, like plex or emby with all the features enabled to how different types of hardware effects performance of the software.

they should make Anthony the Oracle. "we need to visit the oracle." then they tap the mirrort and Anthony appears and he says "thisss bettter be goooood" like the wizard of oz. and then they're like blah blah blah can you help us... and then he speaks in riddle and they have to decipher what he's saying and then before he fades away he does the tap head meme and leaves.

I would have liked to see how those systems differed in productivity workloads. I supect the AMD system would have blown the Intel system away in applications like video editing, simply because of the higher thread count.

Nah, not really. Using Ryzen 2600X and a 1080Ti Mini no problem with a Gigabyte b450i, SP 512GB SsD, 16gigs of 3200 c14 DDR4 and Windows 10 LTSC 1809. I hate elitists who constantly act like having the absolute best is the only thing or GTFO. It’s not 1999 anymore. I agree AMD GPUs are buggy but I’m not complaining about FPS or latency on my CPU. Mistrust over buggy releases is hard to wipe off but I’m pretty sure AMD rocks now.

You forgot to mention upgrading. You can keep your b AMD mobo up to 2020 (if I'm not mistaken) and use their entire mainstream CPU lineup. Intel on the other hand makes you switch your mobo for the high end ones to be able to enjoy more performance from an OCed CPU.

As cool as the other stuff u uploaded recently is, i am always so interested in these kind of videos, cause they actually help me deciding what to buy and probide information i can really use instead of just entertainment.

oh yes, bring them on!. It would also be interested to see a build guide that´s not from scratch, what parts would you change them. What parts would you carry over and what would you change, even if it's still relevant technology.