The Transit Lounge: Saturn Return

The Priestess is a symbol of initiation into mysteries, the gaining of wisdom and the maturity to let in her ancient wisdom.

So ideally we get three Saturn Returns in this life/this earth or like, the world’s officially longest-lived woman – a Piscean – four; Jeanne Calment loved chocolate, olive oil & cigarettes + took up fencing at age 95 & recorded a c.d. named Time’s Mistress. Saturn-Saturn-Saturn & Saturn again, her 4th Saturn Return at age 119 maybe felt a bit Grim Reapery.

But how COOL. Note also that invigorating Uranus Return at age 84. But Saturn Return – along with Mercury Retrograde – is probably THE best known of astro-passages to the non-cosmic public. AND it’s incredible how the first Saturn Return – in particular – resonates with peeps. It is such a significant transit. I personally love and prefer anything Uranian – even Pluto/Neptunian, within reason – to a Saturn Transit but there is NO denying that they get results; measurable in the real world.

Saturn Return – the first one – is simply when Saturn gets to the same place that it was when you were born. It happens for the first time at about the age of 28/29 for everyone. As in Saturn takes that long to go around the Zodiac cycle. Obviously it is always somewhere doing something in the meantime (hence my Can-We-Take-Saturn-Out? initiative to Obama) but Saturn Return is the big one. You can possibly get by ignoring Saturn shit until the Saturn Return – you really can. But Saturn Return separates girls from women, boys from men & non-contenders from contenders.

Depending upon your belief system, it’s mega-karmic and fateful, the ultimate therapeutic style transit and/or simple maturing. That is, you look around and realise that you are no longer automatically one of the youngest people in any group and that the simple process of time exerts some variety of wear, tear and expectations. A lot of how it manifests depends upon where/how Saturn functions in your chart but it seems to always have the theme of GROW UP & get real.It naturally coincides with the time in life when one thinks re children (yes/no) & significant relationship (yes/no) but also it is a hell of a lot about the pressure to be seen to succeed and fit in with whatever status quo one finds oneself in.

My older friends tell me that the 2nd one (late 50s) is very much about health/mortality and deciding to be your true self…or NOT. And that the non-individuated peeps pop off the perch way faster than the others.

The first one is notorious for looking around at one’s peers/their achievements and comparing them, also to looking at your parents/their peers and what they had achieved at the same age. I have an officially wealthy uncle and Saturn Return stunned me by making me realise that a person i’d always though of as immeasurably ancient had in fact done most of it by the age i was then. It’s a time when age/status quo/time and associated shit flood in – ready or not.

Ancient astrologers called Saturn the ‘ring pass not’ – actually Saturn gets called a whole lot of names, the crux which would seem to be this: get a grip on Saturnine reality: death/taxes/that you can’t drink ten litres of wine a night sans consequence post a certain age etc, that not everyone gets to be an astronaut/supermodel and that your chosen career may require about a zillion times more crap/slog than you feel appropriate or may not even be your chosen career/parental shite & maybe a good, solid heart-breaking, health or being ripped off scenario.Your parents aren’t what you thought they were. Or maybe you suddenly get real re an actual abuse scenario. Or something happens that is absolutely unavoidable, that you cannot ignore that forces you to grow up.

That’s Saturn Return. Please – share here – if you are old enough. If not – don’t freak. But learn. Seriously, because Saturn IS serious – WHAT DID YOU LEARN FROM YOUR SATURN RETURN THAT YOU DID NOT KNOW BEFOREHAND?

AND THIS IS SO SATURNINE – THAT YOU COULD NOT HAVE KNOWN BEFOREHAND. SATURN RULES THE WISDOM/INFO THAT COMES WITH TIME. NOT THE URANIAN FLASHES NOR EVEN NEPTUNIAN DREAMING NOR HARD-WON PLUTONIC SEX/DEATH KINDA INSIGHTS…JUST WORLDLY IT-TAKES-TIME-TO-FIGURE-ALL-THIS-OUT-WISDOM-OF-THE-AGES…

i could actually crap on re Saturn for ages – is surprising me but i realise it’s because Saturn IS easy to define. And in a similar way, if you are dealing with a difficult Saturn transit; face it and break it down. DO the details. Have a plan. In fact, where ever Saturn is in your chart RIGHT now – have an insanely anal plan and take it real seriously. You will be amazed at how a lot of the dread just dissipates once you do the WORK Saturn requires.

The Hermit signifies the need we sometimes have to follow our own path, with only our own inner light to guide us. Both the Priestess and the Hermit are strong archetypes/angels to draw upon in times such as Saturn Return!

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I´m about to experience my first saturn return. I guess I have and idea of the themes that will show up. And of course, a lot more that I could not know right now. Fortunately, I always loved the archetype of the Hermit (Sometimes I feel I resemble a bit of it) I see him as the Wise One. I´m in love with wisdom, it´s deep as Pluto, liberating as Uranus and you can merge like with Neptune. What else to say? My Saturn (17º Libra) is exactly conjunct my IC, square the nodes, in a looose conjunction with Pluto,… Read more »

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August 27, 2010 10:49 pm

cindy

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I am just coming out of mine and man, do I feel free. Or rather I didn’t realize how weighted down I felt until I got through it. I had a child already (at 27), and was already married (wedding during my husband’s saturn return). But for me, the return was about house and career. Neither of us had owned a home (he was 34) and were so resistant to it. I actually was really not wanting to do it and almost felt like my husband forced me. It was a good longterm financial decision and I am ok with… Read more »

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August 2, 2010 12:47 pm

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Is saturn in your 4th house? It sounds like you did really well – good on you for getting all that big life stuff going on and remaining sane.

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August 2, 2010 12:56 pm

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Cheers Saggigal! Will do my best 🙂

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April 25, 2009 10:11 pm

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yup- get ready to get very serious about any creative pursuits and/or the decision-or not- to procreate. saturn return in the 5th means you’re going to be compelled to actually in a grown up way make the things you want to to create actually happen. good luck!

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April 21, 2009 7:09 pm

Black Oak's Daughter

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Does anyone please have any advice for me? I’m 29 in three months and I have Saturn in my 5th house…

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April 21, 2009 6:31 pm

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Im almost 31 and I believe Im pretty seeing the other side of my Saturn Return. It came on around the time I turned 28 and was pretty desperate as to what I ought to be doing with my life (marriage & babies vs career & travel) Once I could see thru the panic of getting Older it made me realise that time really is of the essence and that how I spend it (as opposed to killing it) is important. I realised I needed to just get on with my craft as best I could because it was what… Read more »

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April 20, 2009 11:16 pm

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HH, sorry I think he is more a more serious/harsh god than that. BUT if you are an ethical, hardworking person, he will reward you; astoundingly. But, any flaw will have to be rehearsed again and again to his favour (flaw = laziness, dishonesty, rest-on thy- laurels, easy-come-by-it etc). At 31, you maybe haven’t grasped Saturn yet, but you will, and I agree, not all bad, I sometimes welcome Saturn.

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April 20, 2009 11:30 pm

Hathors Horns

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FF, thankyou for your feedback. How Saturn has affected your life? What age are you now?

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April 21, 2009 1:28 pm

fluid feline

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Hathors, where to start on Saturn!? I have him sitting within a degree of my pisces asc in the first house = harsh childhood, “not there” parents, only physically, grow up too quickly etc. At Sat return I had completed first degree after leaving school early as a rebel at 15 (which is just after the first Saturn squ??) – thought I knew everything then (ha!) – wanted to continue with post-grad but scorp hb convinced me to work so we could buy house, get ahead etc and I could go back later. I earned waay more than him back… Read more »

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April 25, 2009 6:02 pm

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“harsh childhood, “not there” parents, only physically, grow up too quickly etc” That’s so Saturn isn’t it FF. I have Cap rising. Exactly the same childhood.

Less control freakery sounds good though.

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April 25, 2009 9:40 pm

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Sweetpea, That is really interesting since I often think of myself as a lone wolf and very independent – my Aries moon could play a role here – but I feel a strong need to look after myself especially financially, and the Saturn Return has been difficult because I had/am having difficulty, due to various reasons, supporting myself and have to rely on others and it drives me crazy! But yes, I don’t need groups of people, I prefer quality (according to me) company or my own. Also about the seeking completion thingy, a psychic (who I respected) once said… Read more »

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April 20, 2009 10:17 am

Edwina

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No doubt I have missed this discussion but will add a few comments… I have a nasty face off between saturn and my sun and saturn and uranus (that is also in hard aspect to my sun) it is the eternal struggle between mad cap freedom and grown up serious duty – i had a lot of anx during my saturn return about whether I really wanted to be a commercial lawyer (no) or an ayurvedic massage therapist! – sautrn helped me accept my serious side so no i am a law academic (research in india) that allows me to… Read more »

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April 20, 2009 9:30 am

Lark

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I’m 29 and a half now. Where to begin…the best of times and the worst of times. My sense of time feels warped. Two days go by and it feels like a week. I _am_ the Hermit at the moment and would rather be alone to read etc than hang around with frivolous company. Flee a three year destructive, crazy-making relationship amidst a final flourish of scandal and vitriolic fighting between four people. Decide to not focus on men at all and focus solely on career. Move country due to better career prospects. Meet someone who I fall deeply in… Read more »

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April 20, 2009 2:43 am

Sweetpea

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Hi Lark, I’ve found the Hermit energy to be valuable at times and something I’m confortable with as have Saturn in 7th also sq. Sun and Mercury. My greatest lessons/growth have come through relationships. I think it was Kim Falconer who said that Saturn in the 7th is a “lone wolf” position in many regards (self reliant, etc). Also, that the individual is seeking completion within self (inner marriage as opposed to merely symbolic, outer one) and so will do this through relationships and also without one. It’s a challenging road and indeed sounds like you’re getting a handle on… Read more »

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April 20, 2009 3:00 am

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With a Cap ascendant i’m well acquainted with Saturnian energy but I had a wonderful Saturn Return – i bought my first apartment, had a job that i loved and couldn’t believe i was getting paid for it. I figured it was Saturn’s reward for having such a tough upbringing. Between then and now i’ve had a few really horrible soul-destroying, Saturn transits where i’ve worked my arse off – 6 years at one company. It felt like punishment at the time but in hindsight i can see the experience i gained and the contacts i made have enabled me… Read more »

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April 19, 2009 10:56 pm

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spare the lash and spoil the child?

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April 20, 2009 9:22 pm

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I dealt with post natal depression in my Saturn return. I’d floundered for 5 years trying to cope ineffectually/ignore/drink my way through it. FINALLY like you said Mystic, I had to break it down and deal with it. It involved dealing with my own childhood trauma’s as well – naturally. It was a heavy yet liberating time when I finally waded through the quagmire.

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April 19, 2009 8:39 pm

Earth bound Aries

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My Saturn return coincided with getting married (at 28) and having a wonderful entree into domestic bliss – never thought I would ever find someone as lovely as my boy. It was great to feel like I had joined the ‘real’ world and would not wind up, in Bridget Jones parlance, alone and half-eaten by an alsatian. Then there was the negative – by 29 I was working in a great job, doing quite well, when along came an evil Scorp to rain on my parade. She and I instantly clashed and then she rallied around all the others in… Read more »

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April 19, 2009 6:28 pm

Typical Taurus

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Thanks Mystic – this explains so much. Particularly the two lists I wrote the other day….they went something like this…. By the time I’m 30, I want to: *have made a significant contribution to the world through my job *be living in a home that brings me peace & joy *be in a meaningful relationship *be contributing to savings/investments *own a piano & a dog On the way to 30, I must remember to: *eat thoughtfully & be active *spend time building & maintaining friendships *appreciate my family for who they are *not feel guilty for being true to myself… Read more »

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April 19, 2009 5:43 pm

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TT sometimes when we are working toward creating order in our lives things get really chaotic and crazy for a while before they settle down. Take it as a sign that the work you’re doing is actually achieving something.

Oh, I felt compelled to write that, also as a reminder to myself as Saturn transits my Mars and Pluto transits my Saturn…. xx

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April 19, 2009 7:15 pm

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wow, erm… I am thirty (16 days ago) and I have no piano or dog, am still a little bad with cashola and living pretty frugally. I would say that is a MASSIVE list TT and very Typical taurus too! but for the first time in my life I live in a house i feel comfortable, peaceful in and can invite people over to. it is rented and I am hoping to go overseas next year, so is kind of temp. I think the most important realisation has been the lack of time I have left. How much I need… Read more »

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April 19, 2009 9:32 pm

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I keep putting off writing my list. I get the feeling I should have done one when i finished my course. Maybe I should spend my Dark Moon in doona cocoon, making lists…

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April 20, 2009 8:24 am

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Actually, now that I think about it, Saturn was the first in a long line of lesson style transits that taught me how to stay in the moment. With Saturn staying in the moment meant focusing on what had to be done right now, and doing it well … rather than always wanting to be someplace else and having one’s head off with the pixies.

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April 19, 2009 5:40 pm

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sometimes having fun with pixies – is just that more fun. saturn is so damn serious all of the time. 🙁

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April 19, 2009 7:45 pm

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yeah I know, but I permanently was off with the pixies …. no earth and all that 😉

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April 19, 2009 7:48 pm

prowlncat

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I had four years of Saturn transits. First the Saturn return at around the age of 29 which lasted I think just over two years and then Saturn went into Cancer for two years. So it was mega crunch time. I had to grow up. Big time. Paid bills and long standing debts, lived by myself completely self supporting for the first time ever, stayed in one job for nearly two years for the first time ever. It was horrible and I hated it. But I did it and somewhere in the middle opportunity started to knock in the form… Read more »

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April 19, 2009 5:37 pm

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Huh. Maybe that’s what the mouse in my room was about. Pegasus was saying in animal medicine mice mean scrutiny. And that having it show up meant I was missing details or had something I needed to scrutinise. Maybe its a plan for my Saturn return. And I racked my brain at the time. Hmmm.

I also feel so much better when I stay on top of my life, same as you Sweetpea. Hmmm hmmm hmmm.

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April 19, 2009 4:12 pm

Sweetpea

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Mystic, I really like the reminder about Saturn….”DO the details. Have a plan. In fact, where ever Saturn is in your chart RIGHT now – have an insanely anal plan and take it real seriously. You will be amazed at how a lot of the dread just dissipates once you do the WORK Saturn requires.” For the last couple of weeks it been all about getting tax stuff ready, doing estimated taxes for next year, numbers crunching, savings accounts. Just burnt… But feel so much better for staying on top and in control of my life as when don’t, pay… Read more »

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April 19, 2009 3:57 pm

Champagne Bearing Aquarian

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Mystic, I love your take on the Hermit. I often think of him as a bit of a passive old bloke – sitting around ruminating about life in his little cave, but the idea of him actively venturing out to confront thorny issues with only your own little light – it makes him almost like The Fool, except he’s got a mission and he’s armed with the courage of his convictions (And as an Aqua with about a bajillion planets in Virgo, that image is*so* satisfying! Oh how I love symbolism) My Saturn return is this Spring, coinciding almost exactly… Read more »

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April 19, 2009 2:35 pm

Mystic

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Yes! He is the Fool – and he is not stooped down due to infirmity nor sloppy posture. He is looking down at the treacherous ground. If you have ever walked along a bush track or similar at night with only a torch light and the darkness all around, it’s like that. He is the guide – all the heaven of the Fool and maybe even the Magician & others – these are mediveal archetypes – focussed in on helping to keep you alive and safe right now. I often think those sort of whistle-blower people are very Hermit and… Read more »

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April 19, 2009 10:31 pm

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Oh dear, that sounds a lot like me. Saturn in Cap at 29.35, squaring sun and merc, opp mars, conjunct jupes. Plod, plod, plod, unsocial hours, trawling through shit, whistle blowing and speaking up for the underdog, finding the way for others, talents unsung ….. and that’s just the day job!

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April 19, 2009 11:04 pm

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I’ll try to find out!

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April 19, 2009 1:51 pm

scorpion_tongue

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I have alot of Scorpio in my chart. Venus, Jupiter and Neptune in Scorpio and Scorpio rising. yikes! investigative nature I think is similar to Virgo’s ability to be analytical.

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April 19, 2009 1:06 pm

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that must be it i’ve got venus mercury moon and neptune in scorp. I wonder what david lynch’s chart looks like…

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April 19, 2009 1:13 pm

scorpion_tongue

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I am so LOVING YOU and your scorpio ways from afar ST – nice he’s a wood rooster – I am a wood monkey we share the same numerology too – i always wonder if the peeps you love and revere are really just reflections of yourself you are admiring? Their expression of an aspect of yourself. They are obviously better at expressing it but do it in a way that is pleasing to your eyes / ears / soul ? Davidl would know he’s the sage haha hempmeisterD.

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April 19, 2009 2:36 pm

scorpion_tongue

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I share number 5 also! I started wondering the same thing too. It’s as if it’s a secret language and when you find another native it’s a relief to discover you aren’t alone. I like that they described David as “Jimmy Stewart from Mars.” I picked up similar vibe 50’s conservatism mixed with Cap/cusp/Aquarius/Neptunian otherworldly insights.

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April 19, 2009 3:06 pm

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OMG he has dark moon lilith conjunct his ascendant in scorpio and moon in the tenth – he is channeling these energies in such a positive and powerful way. Thanks for finding this ST.

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April 19, 2009 3:22 pm

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there is no actor who shits me more than jimmy stewart ;o)

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April 19, 2009 3:23 pm

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and yes good not to be alone xxx

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April 19, 2009 3:24 pm

scorpalicious robot

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i would agree with that theory about peeps you admire being a reflection/expression of oneself and I can see how you and scorpion_tongue admire Lynch with all those planets in Scorp! I ADORE him too.

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April 19, 2009 10:17 pm

scorpion_tongue

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I also love Jimmy Stewart. thx! Scorpalicious. I wonder how many of his fans share scorp planets or similar planets as him.

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April 20, 2009 3:07 am

no name brand

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what is it about jimmy stewart ? I’ve never got it. Maybe it’s a cultural thing. Am I missing the point? Find him so aggravating.

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April 20, 2009 9:20 pm

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no name brand- you should write a book- your life is an adventure. 🙂

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April 19, 2009 12:47 pm

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honey i don’t know who would get bored first me or the reader but it is somewhere in my chart to write a book and wizened crones with psychic powers have told me it’ll happen so maybe you are right :o) I have some sad news ST I discovered I was wrong about my mercury in virgo – that must have been you I was thinking about haha! Mine is in scorpio – but I do wonder if we have similar neptune or something seeing as we can both detail the corsages and outfits of supporting actors in non-climactic scenes… Read more »

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April 19, 2009 12:58 pm

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From what I have read I doubt it would be boring!

Does anyone know much bout astro-topography? If I live in a city that transits or activates my Saturn- will it ever get better or just get the hell out? I feel so much more alive and carefree in LA, that activates my Venus for example.

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April 19, 2009 1:50 pm

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Aqua Cap and I live by this – we move to places where our astro is activated specifically to achieve different things – it works but sometimes in unexpected ways – ie where mars is means you get work and shitloads of it but also where you have to deal with pent up energy and sometimes aggression. Sydney is where my mars and neptune cross for instance – wise mystic told me this would be good if i was a world renowned martial artist but I am not and Sydney is 100% out of control for me – i end… Read more »

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April 19, 2009 2:29 pm

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oh- it’s Astrocartography not astro-topography. lol!

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April 20, 2009 8:15 am

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You can look astrotravel lines on astro.com. Of course not suggesting that would be better than consult with Mystic – I’ve had one and thoroughly recommend it. Very interesting life NNB and I’d read your book. Never thought about actually moving to increase power/wellbeing when needed, only thought of holidays. From memory Melbourne was a good place for me and I’ve never been there. Going back to research it again. Thanks for that tip.

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April 20, 2009 9:16 am

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Thanks for the reminder FF. My best places are Newfoundland and west of Melbourne. Could also retire to Sydney! Unfortunately all my best options don’t cross land masses. Perhaps I should become a pirate after all.

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April 20, 2009 9:39 am

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I realised I was having mine by accident and my life had been a bit of a car crash before that so I immediately had my first astrology chart and consultation done. That guy passed me on to another astrology friend and he gave me a medieval reading which was totally focussed on alchemy. I did it armed and consciously, living alone with a pile of esoteric and occult books. I stopped going out, having sex and imbibing nefarious substances. I visited wacky spiritual places with my up for anything lunatic friend and sat in geodesic domes while people played… Read more »

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April 19, 2009 12:40 pm

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“Aqua Cap even had his chefs knives with him as hand luggage and they didn’t find them til we were almost on the plane” In final check out in Munich, 2004, had a cheese grater in carry on and not the one with lots of holes but a singular blade. They let me on. Maybe it was because of the “Germany” sweatshirt I was wearing. Sounds like before your Saturn return you were very busy NNB. Around the time of my 1st return youngest was about a year old or so. I had quit working and stayed home for seven… Read more »

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April 19, 2009 3:21 pm

no name brand

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crikey sweetpea that’s profound – he’s in the mirror

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April 19, 2009 3:26 pm

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lol….

Yes, it could be a full time job otherwise…

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April 19, 2009 3:28 pm

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o and by he way not that vegetarians are mad just that those particular vegetarians are mad old squatting hippie turned wealthy capo right wing cliche. i was a vegetarian before i met aqua cap but he’s a chef and he made flesh taste good so i converted to the dark side.

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April 23, 2009 12:01 am

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Oh – and another thing. It was when my first baby was born (I was 29) that I finally realised that it was my parents who had both left me as a child because they were doing self-absorbed 1970s hippy shit, not because I was a horrible person. And that I was capable of being loved and of being a good mother. My parents were gemini and pisces and divorced when I was 7. When my own daughter was 7, my mother (in her late 50s) moved back to my home town and seemed unable to realise that my daughter… Read more »

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April 19, 2009 12:18 pm

Sweetpea

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Cap in Transit, That’s tough about the step Mom. So sorry you lost your Mom! Was 27 and pregnant with my second child when my parents started divorce. Was nearly suicidal. My ex drove home from work in the middle of the day because I told him I was going to drive the car and me and unborn into a wall. Both of them (parents) putting such pressure on me and I was pissed at both of them for not taking responsibility for their (emotional) lives. Dad wanted to stuff new wife to be down my throat. Meanwhile, Mom was… Read more »

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April 20, 2009 2:44 pm

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my saturn return tips: 1. WEAR SUNSCREEN and LOOK AFTER YOUR SKIN because whatever you do as a youth will show as you go past 30. If you care.

2. At least one area of work, personal relationship, money or family will sh*it itself so whichever one you KNOW is wavering will probably be the one to crack or morph.

trying to be brief so that’s it from me…….

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April 19, 2009 12:18 pm

Cap in transit

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I have sun in Cap, moon in Libra and Cancer ascending (just like Mel) and have just turned 40. My saturn return was amazing in retrospect (though I didn’t know I was doing it at the time). I shaved my head and left an alcoholic, swore off men forever and then fell head over heels in love. We got married, blissfully in 3 months, had a baby straight away, I finished the degree i had been slaving over for 8 years while pregnant. A man knocked on my front door on the morning of our wedding day looking for me… Read more »

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April 19, 2009 12:13 pm

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o i love that you found love with saturn – i always wondered if finding love in saturn returns meant it might be cursed because it’s meant to be when you sort your shit out not invite something (not shitty) in. It’s amazing how swearing off things makes the right thing visible. Nice work CiT – re below the relationship bush flower essence is most excellent for sailing through stupid boomer parent crap some of them never grew up – I’m always amazed by their need to formalise things and repeatedly marry and divorce – why don’t they just live… Read more »

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April 19, 2009 2:07 pm

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there’s something so beautifully symmetrical and balanced about the timing of your events.

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April 19, 2009 7:22 pm

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Dear no name brand,

Thank you for your kind words. I bought some bush flower essence. Mostly I wanted to say that your comments about feeling HOME for the first time ever at/after the saturn return are so true for me too. I have never felt more loved or more at home these past 12 years and we’ve now lived in 3 countries coz my artist husband keeps getting residencies around the place. Your life sounds amazing. Good luck to you too. And thanks.

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April 20, 2009 1:35 pm

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o you’re so welcome – good luck with the remedy – i use it to cope with my boomer scenario – for me it makes everything seem simpler like it separates you from their stuff in a harmonious way it seems to neutralise the energy. Hope it works in some good way for you x

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April 22, 2009 11:57 pm

Über Virgo

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I spent my Saturn return having my ideals hammered by a Sagg trickster wannabe guru. He was a real shit. The encounter exposed all my prior doormat tendencies, and the fallout from going head to head with him damaged my career for the next seven years (come to think of it TA). The upside was that it made me more ruthlessly practical, and helped me stand up to ye olde bullies of yore, who now grovel in my wake. Currently, I’m doing Saturn (conjunct Pluto and soon Uranus, post conjunct Sun, merc, venus, MC) simultaneous with Uranus opposition. So it’s… Read more »

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April 19, 2009 11:51 am

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I moved from the country to the big smoke, leaving behind large but not smothering, family and support network. Mostly for career (natal Saturn is conjunct MC) but also, I think, knowing there was more out there. I had periods were I felt completely alone (well I was physically) but came through the other side realising that I could stand on my own two feet, emotionally and financially. Maybe because I’m a fairly Saturnian being, grounding my Gemini rising and moon, I found it one of the biggest growth phases in my life to date and overwhelmingly positive.

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April 19, 2009 11:09 am

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my saturn return allowed me to grow into the adult self id been quietly cultivating but had not really let out due to all kinds of identity crises from crazy 20s. it taught me (sometimes brutally) to accept that yes, i want all those ‘normal’ things that i had previously poo-poohed – kids and own home being the biggies. it taught me that a marriage could not be based on fun and socialising together. i learned to slowly respect the fact that no, i was not some wandering happy go lucky gypsy, but wanted and needed foundations and stability to… Read more »

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April 19, 2009 10:51 am

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*blush* Saggigal that’s such a wonderful compliment – what an honour to have helped you 🙂

and yeah, go funky Mama! xx

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April 19, 2009 11:22 am

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still battling the housewifey prejudice here, glad somene’s busted thru it, gives me engouragement if i ever take that path.

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April 19, 2009 2:02 pm

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housewifey prejudice in all its guises IS a real bummer for the creative soul…

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April 19, 2009 7:29 pm

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My Saturn Return for me was a freakout re aging – I kept seeing beautiful young girls in the street or at cafes and crying. It was actually much easier turning 40 for some reason. I got into the tax system instead of thinking such grubbiness was beneath me. I got into a live-in relationship that i whole-heartedly thought would last for eternity. Mystic said to me a long time ago that people who try and wriggle out of doing saturn stuff at the return age miss out on all the good things of uranus oppositon. because you nee dto… Read more »

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April 19, 2009 10:31 am

Über Virgo

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Grow it out Socialite! Feel the wind in your hair again.

It’s nice to see you back. Hope the divorce hasn’t knocked you around too much.

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April 19, 2009 11:27 am

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I thought a brazilian was the budget deficit left by Bush ?

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April 19, 2009 11:37 am

Sweetpea

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Good one David…

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April 20, 2009 11:09 am

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TLS – that was so me! the freaking out at aging at 28 BUT luckily NOT since!! then was G.M of deluxe import designer product empire, sole female in boardroom, in my 20’s with the men SO much older. One foot in the posh pit, the other in the mosh pit…..outside work hanging with local surfers or bands or skateboarders etc. Twas the time I began investing in white goods, entered the tax system & had hot heels & wheels. After going hard to Saturn Return turning 40 was a walk in the park! THO can’t come at self mani-pedi… Read more »

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April 19, 2009 11:40 am

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The Hermit could not be more apt for Saturn in Virgo too… (it being related to Virgo qabalistically) Yes Saturn takes time – in Vedic astrology they say that the Saturn return is actually seven and a half years long – from the time Saturn reaches the natal position to the time it squares the natal position seven and a half years later. Reflecting on this I believe it – I can’t honestly say I understood my Saturn return when it was happening but by the time my Saturn Square came along I was starting to take the hint. Of… Read more »

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April 19, 2009 9:37 am

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I gave birth at 28 and spent the whole 29th-30th years cursing the domestic life…

Now my mother is in her late 50’s Saturn return and has completely lost her mind, when will that stop I wonder?

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April 19, 2009 9:34 am

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Decided to get married at my Saturn Return. Was floundering financially until then and the marriage gave freedom from my crazy family, stability, a house (I’m a Cap w/ Saturn in the 4th. One of my greatest fears is being homeless), and cred in my community. Also got my first “real” (read: non-artistic) job. Boy did I pick the wrong mountain. Now, with divorce nearly done and Saturn readying to upper square my Sun (Fall 2010) I’m in a driven state to redeem those choices made back then. Taurean friend is helping me plot the redemption. Real numbers, concrete plans… Read more »

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April 19, 2009 9:25 am

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*high fives Gemmarose* Well…. I am turning 29 in a week or so and still seem to be in the throws of Saturn returning… or maybe its just beginning. My next door neighbour does stencil artwork and about a year ago a stencil appeared outside my front gate saying ‘Fck off Saturn, Fck off’. … I am not so sure how I feel about it being out there really. Its not Saturns fault….

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April 19, 2009 9:25 am

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Good luck my friend. I’m 29 in two or so. Mine is in the twelve house so all about neuroses, dreams, secret worry, past life crap etc right? Certainly seems that way. Letting go. Letting go. Letting go. Though might make a badge like your neighbours sign. Whether or not its Saturns fault it might make me feel better.

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April 19, 2009 11:02 am

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p.s. HAPPY BIRTHDAY! x

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April 19, 2009 11:02 am

venus a-go-go

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Awww THANKYOU! HAPPY BIRTHDAY to you as well:)

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April 20, 2009 6:22 am

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U could stencil a welcome mat with the symbol of saturn on it and put it in front of your door to bring venusian balance to the hood.

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April 19, 2009 1:50 pm

Mystic

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A welcome mat for Saturn?

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April 19, 2009 9:22 pm

no name brand

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i know – but yes, it’s coming anyway may as well make it welcome

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April 19, 2009 10:34 pm

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hahaha… exactly. Bring out the slippers for him too ’cause Saturn’s a cranky old man. I see him wearing a cravat and smoking a pipe.

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April 19, 2009 11:00 pm

Mystic

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Yah but from the Feng Shui/Housewitchery p.o.v. Saturn comes ANYWAY a la death, taxes and the actual hardcore bit of birthing a child. You can work with trying to gracefully and bravely accepting Saturnine energy but you don’t boof it up! For a good time, you boof up JUPITER or VENUS & it doesn’t mean you’re gaga about the fact Saturn is bound to come around but you’re not laying out the welcome mat…I.m.o

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April 19, 2009 11:21 pm

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Dear Mystic, My Saturn Return was full of darkness, fear and new motherhood. Wasn’t aware of it at the time and it messed me up big time. Got through the worst of it to take over full time care of my mum – talk about needing to grow up quick! My question is around the 2nd return. Both my parents died on theirs – Dad 57, massive coronary event and Mum 58, massive haemorrhagic stroke, but died in high level care 5 years later. I just turned 50 and to quote one of my work colleagues…”aren’t you worried?” Should I be??

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December 27, 2013 7:26 pm

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okay gotcha! So Saturn comes knocking, maybe politely make him a cup of tea and send him off but when JUPITER or VENUS come around you bring out the champers, whack on some groovy tunes and have a party. 🙂

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April 19, 2009 11:34 pm

venus a-go-go

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(Can’t get this comment to go underneath): Jupiter and venus sound like a damn good time. How do I get them to come a-knocking? I have little issue with Saturn, he is good for a few things (pipe tabbaco for one)

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April 20, 2009 6:31 am

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Strangely, I cannot remember anything of significance during that time for me and even had a reading just around then or after? During which the astrologer talked about it a lot and still I did not see it. I did, however, experience all that crap when Saturn spent a hell of a long time in my relationship sector starting in my 30th year and definitely saw and felt it’s impact on me big time. Sucked booty but I love myself a thousand times more now.

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April 19, 2009 9:21 am

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Ha. Perfect timing Mystic. I am going through mine right now. Like literally RIGHT NOW. Having weekly sessions with psychologist (who is wonderfully also great astrologist) to sort through all the crap of last 28 years and move along. Interestingly got the Hermit in my tarot reading this morning. Have also started significant skin care regime (realise not going to have great skin at Mum’s age if don’t actually look after it now) and appear to be morphing from tomboy to an actual (gasp) girl. If any of you have tips and pointers for surviving this I’d appreciate immensely. Seems… Read more »

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April 19, 2009 8:47 am

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hey, i think i finally morphed into a girl around 39? still a tomboy at heart though.