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Thursday, 27 March 2014

Conversations With Leftists (1)

Leftist
Hypocrisy About Breaking/Obeying the Law

“The
'far right EDL' (which is what's being investigated) comprises
fascism and borderline terrorism. We've all seen the marches. Give me
one reason that the government SHOULDN'T investigate... that. Indeed,
if the Muslim community behaved like that you'd be up in arms. And if
there's a danger of that sort of violence manifesting itself amongst
the armed forces, while on tour in Iraq or Afghanistan, the MOD is
well within its rights to order an investigation. In fact, it's the
only sensible course of action. There is a message being sent to the
EDL, but it's this: 'Play within the rules'.”

Am
I to take it that usuallyyou are usually completely OK with the police and the Government when
it comes to dealing with demos and non-mainstream political groups?
That’s funny. Ordinarily the Left hates and despises the police,
the courts, the State, etc. But, all of a sudden, when any of these
come down strong on the EDL: they are all in favour of it. You know,
like supporting Stalin or Fidel Castro but being against Hitler and
General Franco.

What do you mean by the
EDL’s ‘borderline terrorism’? Or is that just a Leftist
soundbite which sounds good but is pretty empty on analysis?

You
talk about the EDL being up in arms when
Muslims do what the EDL does.
Are you
up in arms when Muslims
do what the EDL does?
Or are you a typical hypocritical Leftist racist who allows brown people to
do all sorts of things you wouldn't allow white people to do?

Rights
for Islamoterrorists: not for the EDL

[Responses
to a post/link about whether Islamoterrorists should have their human
rights ‘respected’.]

"
Yes they do. They may not deserve them, but that's not for you to
decide. The whole purpose of human rights is that they safeguard
EVERY human, ALL of the time. They are not selective. And violating
that for anyone, even Bin Laden, is just plain wrong. Who are you to
say "Justice for all, except for this man"?

That’s
so funny. In a post above James virtually says that the EDL doesn’t
deserve human rights. Now he’s crying crocodile tears for Islamic
killers who don’t get their full secular and Western
(non-Islamic!) human rights! He also seems to say that the
poster he responds to should have no say on whether or not Islamic
killers should be given their ‘human rights’. ‘Not for you to
decide.’ Should a state's position on rights be imposed? Or just the positions of Leftists like you?

Here we have yet more of James’s hypocrisy. I bet
there’s a massive list of ‘far rightists’, ‘racists’ and
‘Islamophobes’ he would deny rights to. After all, he wants to
deny rights to the EDL because it is ‘fascist’ and ‘borderline
terrorist’.

The Labour Party, on the whole, isn't a Marxist or a communist party. However, there are very many cross-currents and interactions between the Labour Party and the Trotskyist/communist Left, mainly on the periphery but also deeper within.

As for the Fabian Society, it isn't a “revolutionary" (as in violent revolution) organisation but it is still, nonetheless, uniquely dangerous and elitist. Its approach to "radically changing society" is very similar to that taken by the followers of the Italian communist, Antonio Gramsci.