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Update: October 20, 2017

A WORD OF ADVICE for aspiring aviators:

As discussed in the post below, U.S. regional carriers, faced with a crippling shortage of pilots, have been bending over backwards to attract new hires — and to hang on to the pilots they already have. Salaries have been soaring and airlines are offering retention bonuses north of $30,000. It’s hard to see a negative in this, at least on paper, but if you talk to pilots at some of these companies you’ll learn that many of them are very unhappy. Why?

Although pilots are earning more, overall quality of life at many regionals is still suffering. And that’s because things are in panic mode. The industry is being reactive when it should have been proactive. The improvements we’re seeing should have been put in place years ago. Because they weren’t, numerous airlines now face chronic understaffing issues. This results in pilots being forced to work high-stress schedules with minimal time off. One pilot I spoke to, employed by a United Express carrier, says the company is so understaffed that even senior captains are being “junior manned,” as it’s called, and conscripted into duty on almost all of their scheduled days off, typically with little or no notice. Pilots are quitting in droves, he says, retention bonuses be damned.

As a group, pilots have never had as much leverage or opportunity as they have right now, and with thousands of retirements coming up in the next five to ten years at the majors, it should only get better. However, there are systemic problems in the regional sector, and just throwing money around isn’t going to fix them. It will take a while for things to stabilize. In the meantime, it behooves applicants to do their homework and realize what they’re getting into. Things can change quickly in this business, but some regionals are, at least for now, better-staffed and all-around more pleasant places to work than others. Know which are which.

August 5, 2017

THE PILOT SHORTAGE is here. It’s real, it’s global, and it’s been making headlines. However, we need to be clear which sectors of the aviation industry we’re talking about, and in which parts of the world.

Let’s start with North America, where the first step is to draw a sharp divide between the major carriers and their regional affiliates. The majors, also referred to as “legacy” carriers, are the ones people are most familiar with — American, United, Delta, Southwest, JetBlue, et al. There is no pilot shortage at these companies, and unless something changes drastically they will continue to have a surplus of highly qualified candidates to choose from. They are able to cull from from the top ranks of the regionals, as well as from the military and corporate aviation pools. Even amidst an ongoing wave of retirements, a steady supply of experienced crews is unlikely to be depleted.

At the regionals, however, it’s a very different story. And by “regional” we’re referring to the numerous subcontractors who operate smaller jets (regional jets, or “RJs”) and turboprops on the majors’ behalf: those myriad “Connection” and “Express” companies, whose actual identities are concealed beneath the liveries of whichever major they are aligned with. United Express, Delta Connection, American Eagle, and so on. These carriers have been slashing flights, grounding planes, and otherwise scrambling to keep their cockpits staffed. In June, Horizon Air, the Seattle-based affiliate of Alaska Airlines and one of the country’s biggest regional carriers, announced it would be forced to reduce its busy summer schedule due to a dearth of pilots. Earlier this year, Republic Airways, a large U.S. regional carrier that flies on behalf of United, American and Delta, filed for bankruptcy protection. It blamed the filing, in part, on a lack of qualified pilots.

How this came to happen is both a long and short story. The short story is that employment at a regional carrier sucks. It’s not an easy lifestyle, and the pay has been the kind of thing that causes people to skip their school reunions. Salaries have traditionally started out as low as $20,000 a year (in some cases even lower), and have topped out at under six figures. Schedules are demanding and benefits paltry; the relationship between management and the workers is often hostile; and top of all that, the regional sector is highly unstable. Companies always seem to be coming or going, shrinking or shedding planes, changing their names and realigning with different majors. This has driven thousands of pilots out of the industry, and/or has discouraged countless others from pursuing an aviation career in the first place.

Yet pay and working conditions at these airlines have always been substandard, and filling jobs was seldom a problem. So what gives? Well, what’s different is that the regional sector has grown so large, now accounting for half of all domestic departures in the United States! As recently as twenty-five years ago it was around 15 percent. In those days, pilots saw a job with a regional as a temporary inconvenience — paying one’s dues. It was a stepping-stone toward a more lucrative position with a major. Pilots are now realizing that a job at a regional could easily mean an entire career at a regional. Thus, a diminishing number have been willing to commit the time and money to their education and training when the return on investment is somewhere between unpredictable and financially ruinous.

Pilots in the United States are responsible for securing their own FAA credentials, and for logging hundreds or even thousands of hours of flight time before applying at an airline. For those who come up through the civilian channels it’s a slow and very expensive process. An aspiring aviator has to ask, is it worth sinking $100,000 or more into one’s primary training, plus the time it will take to build the necessary number of flight hours, plus the cost of a college education, only to spend years toiling at poverty-level wages, with at best a marginal shot at moving on to a major? For many the answer has been a resounding (and logical) no.

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In the meantime, the FAA has enacted tougher hiring standards for entry-level pilots. Over the past two decades, as the regional sector grew and grew, airlines sharply lowered their experience and flight time minimums to fill the thousands of new cockpit jobs this growth created. Suddenly, pilots were being taken on with as little as 350 hours of total time, assigned to the first officer’s seat of sophisticated RJs and turboprops. Then came a rash of accidents, including the Colgan Air (Continental Connection) disaster outside Buffalo in 2009. Regulators began taking a closer look at hiring practices, eventually passing legislation that mandated higher flight time totals and additional certification requirements for new hires.

Some airlines blame the shortage at least partly on these tougher rules. Technically they’re right, but arguing against an obvious safety enhancement is maybe not the smartest idea. Besides, all the new regulations really have done is return things to historical norms. When I applied for my first regional job in 1990, competitive applicants at the time had between 1,500 and 2,000 hours, and most of us had an Airline Transport Pilot certificate as well. That’s more or less what the FAA demands today. Flight time totals are just one indicator of a pilot’s skill or competence, but these requirements are not unreasonable.

The regionals have finally started upping their salaries and improving benefits, in some cases substantially. The cost structures of these carriers, whose existence is primarily to allow the majors to outsource flying on the cheap, limits how much they can lavish on their employees, but frankly they have little choice. New hires at companies like Endeavor Air (a Delta affiliate) and PSA (American), for example, can now make first-year salaries in the $70,000-plus range. That’s three times what these pilots would have made in years past. Other companies are offering signing bonuses of several thousand dollars, and work rules too are getting better. Air Wisconsin, a United partner and one of the nation’s oldest regionals, says that pilots can now earn up to $57,000 in sign-on bonuses. It promises earnings of between $260,000 and $317,000, including salary and bonuses over the first three years of employment. Figures like that are unprecedented.

So, for those considering a piloting career in the United States, the situation is looking better. The problem for the industry, though, is the lag time. Somebody just learning to fly is years away from meeting any airline’s hiring criteria. So while the mechanisms are falling into place to curtail a full-blown crisis, the shortage is going to be with us for a while.

Similar shortages exists elsewhere around the globe, but they are driven by slightly different forces. You don’t have the major/regional dichotomy like you do in North America, but the airline business overall has been expanding so rapidly, especially in Asia, that carriers can’t keep up. Many have success with what are called “ab-initio” programs, whereby young candidates are chosen from scratch, with no prior experience, and are trained and groomed from the ground-up, so to speak, in a tightly controlled regimen that puts them in the cockpit of a jetliner relatively quickly. These programs are ultra-competitive, drawing hundreds of applicants for each available slot. They produce quality pilots, but again there’s a lag time problem: industry growth is far outpacing the rate at which ab initio schemes can produce cockpit-ready pilots. This has forced airlines from Asia to go hunting for pilots in the U.S. and elsewhere, sometimes offering huge salaries and incentive packages.

The Gulf carriers, meanwhile, bring in expats from every corner of the world. Of Emirates roughly 4,000 pilots, the largest percentage is recruited from South Africa, where there are lots of young pilots and a rich aviation culture, but comparatively few jobs.

121 Responses to “Fact and Fallacy of the Pilot Shortage”

As a Mother of a pilot that died in a plane in crash in 2012, I heard and saw first hand how difficult it is for these young aviators to survive in the aviation industry. I wrote to the President begging to make changes for the aviation sector to help these men and women.
Our son was told there were plenty of jobs in 2010 when he graduated from a University with honors.
He had one job offer outside of our state. Several of his fellow classmates, took jobs in other sectors as they couldn’t find employment.
With tuition costs of over $100,000, his job was a flight instructor. He prayed for students to come in. He worked long hours only to earn $400.00 a week, some weeks less, some more. No benefits.
Luckily for him, his tuition was paid for but many of his fellow classmates, weren’t so fortunate.
He had an interview with a great regional airline only to learn he had to have jet experience which he didn’t have. He did have numerous ratings and endorsements for flying aircraft, just no jet.
How do you live and pay for housing, transportation costs, insurance for auto and your life, health insurance and pay a tuition bill back?
the pay rate for these young men and women is HORRIBLE! there are no benefits. Unless the airlines recognize that you have to make a change to attract qualified candidates, you will experience shortages when medical candidates come out of school earning $60,00+ a year.
change needs to happen in AVIATION to guarantee more pilots!

I’ve been a pilot for over 30 years, charter, business jets, etc….fortunately my career has been elsewhere for the money and flying has been more of a hobby, so I have found the various perspectives here quite interesting. Unfortunately, aviation as a career is so screwed up primarily because of unions. Whether you are a co-pilot in an RJ or a 777 Capt you do the SAME THING THE SAME WAY no matter where you fly. Yes, a green copilot takes a year to come up to speed but after that anyone who has any talent and capability is just as capable of controlling the aircraft and making good decisions for the most part as the far more experienced Capt. So why does a 777 Capt make $500k and a RJ Copilot $50k when they both do the same thing? Arguably the RJ Copilot’s job requires MORE skill. And what happens if the 777 Capt gets furloughed? He goes back to the beginning of the line as an RJ Copilot. What other career is that way? Imagine one company paying an accountant $500k and another company paying an accountant $70k for the same job! If you remove the artificial constraints of the union rules and let supply and demand rule as they should, then I bet you would have PILOT’s get paid about $100K a year no matter what or where they are flying and whether or not they are right or left seat. And there would be no pilot shortage. Pilots, like jet fuel, are a global commodity- and I’ll wager it ends up there before the robots take over in 20-30 years.

rather than bonuses to encourage pilots to stay 2 years why dont the regionals
offer a pension plan ? that would be more attractive for pilots to stay to become vested in the plan (after 5 years)
at age 65 you would get the pension , even if 500 a month would certainly be a better than those bonuses they offer

Been there, done that: freight dog, regional, major.
I hear comments about “AI” as a solution. This has already spent years in the test phase called “single pilot operation”. A 757 has been flying back and forth to test the hardware and software. While these two parts of the plan work, most of the time, what they are not testing is the willingness of pilots to be the forward-most passenger. The airliner would actually be “flown” by dispatchers at the company headquarters. And like dispatchers of today, they would “fly” several flights at the same time.
Two things: One is that the U.S. Air Force, years ahead on this, is experiencing massive pilot shortages because qualified, repeat: qualified people are not willing to work so hard for so long making it through pilot training just to “fly” a drone, call it what you like. The civilian equivalent qualified person will not work their way up to the majors just to taxi the airplane, until that becomes automated as well. Second, anyone who has operated a laptop knows that they work, most of the time. Ever had a computer lock up? And before you say, Triple redundancy!!” let me tell you that I have had airline certified GPWS go into “Dead Reckoning” without warning. That is AI for, “I have no idea where we are”!! Also, in a highly computer dependent airliner, we had multiple problems with instrumentation and systems. We got Maintenance on the radio. He said,”Land and reboot the airplane”!!
“Do WHAT!?!”

I have to think that in many ways the pilot shortage is the first sign of the death of regional airlines. These airlines took off because they could supply passengers to carriers mainline networks cheaply because pilots where a dime a dozen and smaller prop planes or jets could be used which helped keep airfares low. With fewer pilots to go around and salaries soaring big mainline jets with lower frequency start to make sense vs many flights with smaller aircraft. This is already playing out on the west coast with Horizon Q400 and CRJ flights being replaced with mainline Alaska 737s to maintain service. I expect we’ll see more and more of this in the future.

With the rapid advancements with Artificial Intelligence and the supply of pilots being so low. Do you see in the future (10-20 years) airlines going down to 1 pilot in the cockpit with an AI? This would stop the short supply of pilots as well as save the airlines huge amounts of money since they are only paying for 1 pilot. If this does happen, what do you think would happen to the industry?

I am 49 years old with bachelor’s degree from years ago. I was in the Marines and a career in IT for 20 years. I am very interested in becoming a pilot. I am tired of the IT corporate world and want to get some advice on the best path (least time, least cost) to achieving this. And does it make sense if the mandatory retirement age is now 65 if the time and cost is worth becoming a pilot in 1-3 years?

Depends ?? if your objective is the major airlines, I would say No but working for a regional small carrier is doable.
It will take some $$ to get all of your ratings, qualifications etc then the age factor becomes an issue etc. You might need 750-1000 hours before someone takes a look at your pilot resume.
Good Luck !

do NOT leave your stable job
at 49 it will take you many years to obtain 1500 hours. at least 60k just in training alone. even when you do get atp and the 50 hours multi engine time
the pay and working conditions at a regional airline is so poor you will feel like youve been cheated and lied too. aviation in my opinion is just a gian pyramid scheme. ups driver make 70 k a year and have 2 weeks of training at company expense. there are cargo airlines who pay 45k a year and you start at 6 am loading the plane, fly to destination unload, wait load , fly back back unload and finish at 7pm. single pilot ifr me ! why on earth would anyone spend that kind of money on training, risk, work, education to make less than a ups driver !!!???

I have one specific question is a bachelors degree a necessity even if you want to be a private industry pilot? I just have absolutely no desire to go in debt for a degree taking half the classes that have no applicable use and being scared to reveal that I am a conservative on a liberal campus.

For what it’s worth, I only have my associates degree from a small private college that offered Aviation as a degree. Have been flying corporate for almost 10 years now, I have been with the outfit I am now for almost 4 years flying super midsize corporate jets (ie; Challenger 350).

There are two others in our group who also have no more then a two year degree, or something equivalent and have been very successful.

I am with you, I am not going to spend extra money on pointless education!

The requirement for a bachelor’s degree somewhat fluctuates with the hiring trends, but as a general rule the major carriers pretty much demand one. At the regionals or in private (corporate) flying, not necessarily. Where you get this degree, or what subjects you major in, doesn’t particularly matter.

You mentioned that it can be tough for a pilot to make the transfer from a regional carrier to a larger, more prominent carrier such as Delta or United. I was wondering if this is also the case for low-cost carriers such as Southwest or Spirit. Could you possibly enlighten me on this?

Art Knight – you can add a lot of IT jobs to the list of jobs lost in the last 2+ years and foreseeable future. They talk of a basic income. The companies being taxed for “robots” taking over jobs people used to do. We are really hurting our society short and long term by technology. It helps the upper management show greater profits to the shareholders/investors. But at some point there won’t be enough consumption due to people not having jobs or money to buy things. Companies need to do more to retrain people before they let them go. Very sad!

This is taken from an email my son who is considering military vs civilian aviation received from the Navy.

“There is currently a major priority for immediate hiring of Aviators – if your cumulative GPA is over 2.5, you are under 26 years old, and have 20/20 eyesight with or without glasses/contacts, please contact me soonest. You could be getting paid to fly aircraft this fall!

Benefits include:
-Starting pay of approximately $70,000 (O-1), with scheduled promotions. Pay at 4 years of service (O-3) is approximately $100,000
-Full medical coverage under Tricare for you and your family.
-Full GI Bill education benefits to be used by either you or your spouse or child.
-Non-taxable allowances for housing and specific job benefits.

Basic requirements include:
-2.8 cumulative GPA (2.5 for aviation) across all collegiate courses taken.
-Within 16 months from graduation or currently holding Bachelor’s Degree.
-US Citizenship.
-Ability to pass military physical – current use of antidepressants or asthma medication is disqualifying.”

It does not sound like regional airlines are at all competitive with the Navy offer.

That’s provided your son achieves the necessary test scores to be competitive for selection and actually PASSES the flight physical. (The military is hyper-sensitive about the medical history of its flight applicants–as they should be.) Then, if your son manages to successfully jump through all the required hoops, he has a long road ahead of him. His journey has just in fact begun. He has to graduate Navy OCS, which is no joke. Naval Primary (undergraduate pilot training) is a long, difficult year. I’m in Air Force Undergraduate Pilot Training now…and there are days I wonder if I’m going to graduate. We have a saying around here…every completed graded measure gets you closer to graduation or washing out. The military is a good deal for aspiring professional aviators, but your son has to be willing to jump through the Navy’s hoops. And then be willing to put up with the complete and utter nonsense for 8-10 years. Also, military aviators don’t get to fly nearly as much as their civilian counterparts. Which, as the Air Force is currently finding out, happens to be a huge factor in whether pilots decide to stay or go. A friend of mine is flying Hornets for the Marine Corps and he is averaging 10 hours a month…on a good month. Military aviation absolutely has its pitfalls. Also, 0-1 pay isn’t 70K starting. I’m prior enlisted with 8 years of active service and I’m just barely clearly 60K with allowances as a 2dLt. Lastly, the regionals have raised their pay significantly.

My friend 25 years ago was living in a basement, working for peanuts, chasing his dream. He was lucky and moved up to majors. Given continuing low pay and inexperience at regionals, I fly majors between hubs, then drive rental cars instead of flying regionals. The low pay and inexperience of pilots is just too scary to fly regionals.

A few regionals do have so-called “flow-through” programs with their major affiliates. This does provide incentive, absolutely. One problem, though, is that the number of mainline jobs is relatively small, and regional pilots would still be competing with pilots coming from the military, etc (I seriously doubt the majors would limit their hiring options to only flow-through pilots). Thus only a certain percentage of regional pilots are, or would be, flowing through. There’s no guarantee of making it. Meanwhile, you’ve still got to spend years at the regional level.

Fortunately, there is a time lag between the overall attrition rate at “the majors” and the accelerated hiring at “the regionals” — otherwise the majors will have the same problem at some point. Unless the ranks are filled with lots of military personnel or foreigners. People (and pilots) don’t live forever. Seems like an “ab-initio” approach would be beneficial, but of course our world-class capitalist-oriented approach will lurch from once crisis to another. Companies screw their most valuable resource… and then throw up their hands and say there’s a problem. Really? When the long-term planning focus only goes out as far as one quarter in the future, it is not surprising.

Airlines are not very profitable (on a 20 year period) compare to other business, and just like all of us (who want to earn more for the same) they look at bottom line to.You also have “downturns” were you need less employees etc….
So , for long periods of times there is no incentive to invest in new human capital , just keep the best of what you have for as much as possible.
P.S: As a man who lived in a socialist(not national socialist but communist) country can tell you that free market is better than a statist economy.

Patrick, it’s interesting to see how things work on the other side of the Atlantic! I’m a first officer in Europe and I recently went from flight school to a jet, a career path many aspiring pilots in Europe now follow. Airlines in Europe commonly recruit “cadets” out of flight schools, and by ensuring a high standard of training in flight school, during the type rating course, and during line training, they continue to have safe and professional pilots, even though some may have very few hours to their name. My question is, why does the FAA still insist on 1500+ hours, and why do airlines insist on a college degree? While the experience gained in Cessnas is no doubt valuable in the airmanship and flying skills it provides, I don’t see why it’s a requirement? It seems similar to requiring candidate drivers to ride a bike for a year before taking a driving test. Although the experience gained will help, the car is completely different! I argue that a CRJ or an Airbus is just too different to a 172 to be worth the 1500 hours. It’s no replacement for proper training for pilots during a type rating and once they join the airline, as happens in Europe. To quote Mike, “The regional airlines are hostile places to work with poor training.” Why doesn’t the FAA insist on better training once on the job, instead of somewhat unrelated training before? Requiring a degree is something else I don’t understand. Other than as a backup plan to flying, how does it help a pilot on the job?

As for the college degree, an airline might tell you it’s about ensuring that its pilots are educated and “well-rounded,” but essentially it’s just a way of winnowing the huge number of potential applicants.

As to the FAA and its hours mandate… I understand that the quantity of hours isn’t the same as the QUALITY of those hours, but I don’t necessarily have a problem with the 1,500 hour rule. That said, the FAA probably could, and should, come up with some better criteria. But, it’s the FAA, so I wouldn’t count on it.

For a sense of just how out-of-touch the agency can be, take a look at some of (most of?) the questions on the FAA’s airline transport pilot written exam. The absurdity will make your head spin.

Seems our problems are more similar that I thought! The written exam questions the UK CAA have are absurd, some with no correct answers, and most seriously outdated.. But there you go, I guess we can only hope!

I am always suspicious when employers start talking about employee shortages. There simply isn’t any such thing. What there is a shortage of people who will work at the low wage the employer wants to pay. Employers who are serious about finding the staff they need simply offer more money. As Patrick’s comments above show, that is what is happening.

My local paper, The Sacramento Bee, did a story on an employer a few years back who claimed he just couldn’t hire the people he needed. I actually called him and we made a contract that I could find him the 25 people he needed by the end of the week. The end of the week came and I had 54 people willing to work for him. I simply tripled the wage he was paying. He screamed and howled, but our contract did not contain a section limiting wages. It was clear, in fact, I could offer “necessary and proper compensation.” The Bee never did a follow up to show the employer had twice as many workers as necessary when he offered a better wage.

Either something can be done economically or it can’t. If your airline can’t offer decent, respectable wages and fly the necessary routes, then it shouldn’t be in business. If there is one dime of profit from any business, it better first be paying solid, livable wages.

“..If your airline can’t offer decent, respectable wages and fly the necessary routes, then it shouldn’t be in business..”

That’s a good point, Stephen, and one that might upend the whole business model of the regional industry, as it has existed. They’ve gotten away with it, until now, because there was always a reasonable supply of pilots willing to suffer for their art, so to speak, and work for next-to-nothing pay and benefits. That was back when tenure at a regional was seen as a (very) temporary stepping stone. But the sector is so big now, it’s more of a career unto itself.

Here’s what you have to do, and I actually got the idea from an aviation magazine article (I forget the name) but have fancied it and “groomed it”. Perhaps they’re already doing it.

Let’s say we have a 70 seat jet with a scheduled flight time of 1 hour from gate to gate. Let’s assume 60 seats are filled and disregard how many are first-class/business.

That’s 60 people right there, so lets say we put a charge of let’s say $2.50 per scheduled flight hour, and allocate one dollar fifty for the captain and one for the first officer.

That equates to $90 an hour for the captain and $60 for the first officer. quite a bit right? Just by charging so little per hour per passenger and allocating those funds the pilots can make significantly more than the supposed $20000 that entry-level pilots make (I’ve heard from different sources about how much they make; some say it’s below 20K, others say close to 35K, others up to 60K for entry-level). One could have a “minimum-wage” set for both pilots in case the load is below a certain amount.

You could even apply the same rule to the majors and earn close to half a million if lucky and love flying ($1.50*300*1000 hours = $450K), although I don’t think there’s complaints about major airline pilots not making enough.

Ehh I admit it’s probably more complicated than I envisioned, although what if this “tax” went straight to the pilot’s paycheck? I guess I would need to see the full costs of operating a jet before wages and whatever the company wishes to take/needs to take for profit before being able to determine what’s a reasonable/probable wage.

The way that I would solve this problem is to require regional airlines to flag their aircraft with their own name, both on tickets and on the aircraft themselves. This would likely cause the majors to pull back many routes into their mainline networks which would drive up pilot salaries because of union pay scales.

I was a captain at a regional airline. I walked away from the profession several years ago. The regional airlines are hostile places to work with poor training. The management teams usually consist of people with a low IQ and a big ego. The best airline pilots remind me of Mr. Magoo, always getting by unscathed with zero talent. It was pathetic. It is scary. I had no idea how horrible it was until I walked away. Flying airplanes is awesome. Working at a regional sucks. I would never work for another regional but I would consider flying for a mainline carrier if they offered me $100K/yr and sucked my dick.

[…] Based on compelling data showing a growing pilot shortage, is it smart for the airline to keep this fight going? Airbus and Boeing both see a growing demand for pilots. But it is important to note the big growth is in Asia. Asian airlines are headhunting for pilots – especially captains who can help train younger co-pilots. In the US we see a rising number of captains reaching retirement age, further depleting the most valuable and experienced pilots. The FAA’s 1,500 hour issue has been argued as also ensuring a shortage of pilots. For more perspective on the US pilot situation read this article. […]

I have a good friend who works for a regional out of dulles in virginia just outside of DC. I grew up with him while he did his training and saw him progress through all his licences. At the regional he did start very low at about 25k a year however this was only for one year. This is why i feel like the unions in this industry try to trick people into thinking pilots are extremely underpaid and overworked and at least from what i see in many ways its the opposite. He spent about 35k on his licences and he went to a local school which was cheap so about another 20k for a bachelors. Yea his first year the pay was god aweful but the second year he started making 54k a year then third year 62k a year and then went to captains training and now makes around 70k a year. To top it off, he works maybe 2 to 3 days a week. So 55k in loans, 70k a year after 4 years out of college??? Anybody would really kill for that position and every other pilot i know (grew up with a few) does extremely well. Now if im flying on a plane, id rather think my pilots overpaid then underpaid so im not necessarily against this system but i think whats written about the industry oh so often about how underpaid pilots are is very very misleading. Even at the regionals you can top out at about 100k per year. Add all the benefits of free flights and thats an extremely good career! Many others would love to be in an industry like that.

Hi Mark. Thanks for reading, and for taking the time to comment. The idea of a regional pilot making 54K in his or her second year is a very new phenomenon. This is happening because these carriers no longer have a choice. The unions haven’t been “tricking” anybody into anything. The status quo, at the regionals, until quite recently, has been one of shitty pay and shitty working conditions, almost without exception. That this might be changing is a positive sign.

I have to throw the BS flag here. You “friend” spent 35K to get his licenses? Pretty minimum, but possible. Then how did he get his hours before he was qualified to fly regionals? And nobody I know unless they have 25 years with a major carrier work 2-3 days a week. Having 15 days off is a very good schedule and that would be 3.5 days per week. Most fly 4 to 5 days a week.

I have a good friend who works for a regional out of dulles in virginia just outside of DC. I grew up with him while he did his training and saw him progress through all his licences. At the regional he did start very low at about 25k a year however this was only for one

The rule was put into place because RJs were hiring pilots with 200 hours and playing them less than the garbage man. Pilots took the jobs so they could have the chance of moving on to the mainlines where they would start their career (5-10 years in) making less than the gate agents and finishing their careers making less than the staff accountants who calculate these crappy pay rates. The industry has had AMPLE time to figure out what to do to handle the pilot shortage that EVERYONE KNEW was coming when the baby boom pilots began mandatory retirements. The problem is the reality of the pay caught up with them. The word got out and a generation figured out that the juice was not worth the squeeze. They really couldn’t AFFORD to be an airline pilot. The only money in the airlines is in the pockets of the senior leadership. It is ridiculous to blame the pilot shortage on a safety rule. The blame lies squarely with the the industry leadership that chose decades of big bonuses at the top and big dividends over sustainable pay for pilots. Too bad. I have zero sympathy. Start emptying your wallets you greedy morons.

There will be a real shortage when airlines will recruit pilots with no experience on type, when they will finance the rating and so on… I do confirm that the industry need in order to reduce the pay scale a huge amount of unemployed pilots to select the most experienced at low cost…
Trainee pilots, be ready to ruin yourself and to accept anything, and this is the truth…

I work in an industry where a fighter pilot with 800 hours of centerline thrust after how many years in the military to achieve that, is considered better than me by the majors. How much better is this person at flying a twin a fine airliner!? Not better, much worse, yet they get hired right in to delta flying a 757. I know this because I jump seated to New York City and watched an arrogant newbie do the expressway visual 31 in to Lga and it was pathetic. Embarrassing actually- dangerously embarrassing. I work in a field Where women are the cream of the crop in the hiring pool. Ladies, all for ya. Love you long… But, it’s garbage and you know it and you all admit it. And race, do I dare say this, matters as well. There is a huge affirmative action movement in the name of diversity in the hiring programs at these places. If you are male, white, and non military good fricken luck. And don’t waste our time debating this because we all know it’s true we all see it constantly. Even playing field? That’s all I’m asking for. Affirmative action was struck down as unconstitutional by the Supreme Court. Anyway, I thought I’d hit these points. We all know there is no shortage. It’s a pay problem. This stuff I mention is some of the icing on a cake.

Thanks for your candor. I have been on the outside of both military and aviation for some years now. The military guys have some way to go before they hit reality. Society worships military service and even more for those who break the surly bonds of gravity; thus, they tend to think life is easier than it is for most.

Jet guys are not known for humility. Guns you know? Respect to the AF, but those guys have it especially padded also.

Anyway I am testing the waters to come in out of the rain- God willing. Great article by the way. It was exactly what I needed.

The 1500 hour rule was created by congress because they were pissed and shocked at what the first officer of the BUF flight was making. They figured more experienced pilots would equal higher starting wages. Poor girl stayed in the crew room all night she couldn’t afford a hotel and I’m here to tell ya!!!! It’s still fucking happening!!! I see it, all the time. It goes on. People are piss broke and hating life. Over worked big time treading on fatigue constantly and not making fatigue calls for fear of punitive punishment- which the FAA approved, and fear of an even smaller paycheck.

So, why can’t we make what were worth? Point the finger at management, unions, etc.. But read this. This drives me insane. Pilots cutting other pilots throats. Example beyond the scabbish behavior by our group. i sit next to a united guy the other day and exchange subtleties, sayin it’s been a long day. 8 hours flying 4 legs with a return to gate and no apu in 100 degree Austin, tx heat. Guy goes on to tell me of his 14 years at regionals and how my 4 years isn’t shit basically. Here’s another fun one. Delta guys. Nobody cares you work there and wear the hat all the time. Take your wind checks, my pay checks forged on my sweat, start landing on the correct runways, by your 5th wife something nice, and be nice. You no better than me.

Poverty level wages? I’ve heard a woman making a living wage flying for a regional jet airliner in two years. Two years meaning from a few flight lessons to professional jet pilot in that time frame. How is that possible if all these requirements are in play and airlines don’t normally hire inexperienced people even as first officers, especially for JETS? Is there a fast tracking program people don’t mention? Is it a quota due to it being seen as a male dominated field?

My father retired from Delta in the mid 80’s, his monthly retirement pay is right at $12,500 a month. His monthly retirement. (read that very closely: THAT IS HIS “MONTHLY RETIREMENT PAY”-$12,500.00 A “MONTH” As you can see his “monthly” retirement is almost as much as much as the current annual salary for today’s RJ pilots. That’s SICKENING for today’s pilots, thus the very reason I have more enough hours and ratings to qualify for any airline captain position but choose NOT to fly for a living. The pay has gone to the dogs because the so called Pilots Union is nothing remotely close to a Union, in fact they shouldn’t be able to shut their eyes at night for calling themselves a Union. They do nothing to protect the Pilots, however they do protect the airlines in every sense of the word. They are more like a Union against Pilots for the Airlines Management team. Until the pay is compatible with the responsibilities they will continue to YELL Pilot Shortage, but that’s far from the truth. We could place an ad in the Airline Pilots Assoc “Local Major Airline looking for qualified Pilots; starting pay $100K with benefits package and 2 weeks paid vacation after first 6 months of employment……you all that thinks there’s a pilot shortage would find out real quick there’s NO SUCH SHORTAGE AT ALL, If anything there’s enough Pilots to staff 16 more major airlines, WE AS QUALIFIED PILOTS REFUSE TO FLY FOR PEANUTS.

You are in total denial and/or you do not have the qualification to even read this board let alone journal in it. Read my Lips: THERE IS NO SHORTAGE OF QUALIFIED PILOTS with PERFECT RECORDS WITH ZERO STRIKES ON THEIR PERSONAL OR PROFESSIONAL RECORD. As many other qualified pilots such as myself have already stated: Offer a starting salary of 100K and you’ll find out real quick there is NOT a shortage of qualified Pilots in this country. I GET SO SICK of hearing that there’s a shortage. The only shortage is pilots that aren’t willing to work for FREE. I’m making a great living as an engineer and could have a flying job tomorrow if I wanted to go on food stamps and there’s tens of thousands of pilots like me out there that chooses to not fly for free. How is it that a doctor has one life in his hands and makes $250K plus a year or much more and we as well experienced and well trained pilots have 300 plus lives in our hands and only get paid $20K to $60K on average (40+ years exp and close to retirement age maybe $120K+?
THERE IS NO SHORTAGE OF HIGH TIME PILOTS WITH EXTREMELY CLEAN RECORDS THAT ARE WILLING TO FLY IF THE SALARY IS COMMENSURATE WITH THE RESPONSIBILITY AT HAND. I mentor a lot of young men and women and a few of them are pilots, and of course I deter 100% of them from entering the pilot profession. the few already pilots flying RJ’s are on government subsidy (welfare, food stamps etc). Raise the salary and you’ll see there’s no where near shortage, Makes me laugh!

Capt. Smith is spot-on with this article. I fly for an airline you have heard of. We have heard rumors of problems with retention and applicant quality, but nothing definitive. However, go to airlinepilotcentral.com. Several regional airlines are offering signing bonuses. Trans States Airlines is offering $7500. If the nameless one who owns TSA is coughing up thousands for first officers, something is definitely going on. And they are offering interviews by Skype! (Cue Dylan’s “the times they are a-changin….'”)

The article neglects to state the obvious. Almost if not all of those crashes occurred with an ATP flying. So time counts for nothing. Competence and accountability are what matter. Renslow was an ATP that didn’t know how to fly ditto the Asiana 214 pilots that crashed the 777 into the seawall at SFO. Seriously, nobody watching the most critical parameter of flight-airspeed, during the most critical phase of flight-the approach. Wake up! This lack of airmanship / understanding of the aircraft’s controls lead to almost ever major accident on recent record Air France A330 stall, AA losing the vertical stabilizer, etc. ALL crashed by ATPs! The only competent crew that comes to mind was Sullenberger’s. The ATP rule and total time count for nothing. As for the pay issue it is the unions fault. If ever there was a need for merit pay this is it! Competent pilots are worth the money and incompetent pilots MUST be dismissed as people’s lives depend on it.

The way that I would solve this problem is to require regional airlines to flag their aircraft with their own name, both on tickets and on the aircraft themselves. This would likely cause the majors to pull back many routes into their mainline networks which would drive up pilot salaries because of union pay scales.

I have to be a little snarky here because I disagree that there is a shortage of pilots. I think there is a shortage of applicants. Drawing a line between majors/legacies and creating two markets is a little misleading in my view. The minimum qualifications to fly for a legacy and regional are now nearly equal at ATP plus some breakdown of time. Many people are getting hired at majors and ULCCs without the previously required 1000 TPIC. To me, this signals that we really have one pool of qualified pilots. Those pilots are choosing not to work for regionals if at all possible. They won’t work at a regional then “progress” to another regional; they’ll go “upward” if able.

I think the GAO report on pilot supply used three indicators of a shortage

To me only #1 provides any indication of a shortage. Although raising salaries from 17,000 to 30,000 is probably not going to draw significantly more applicants so I’m not sure it meets the threshold for triggering that indicator.

If I built a hospital and offered minimum wage to doctors and nurses and didn’t receive any applicants is that a indication of a shortage? Both airline industry sectors have the same mandated minimum qualifications, engage in the same type of work and some times use the same equipment. I make the argument that the world airline business has one pilot supply and companies have to compete for the pilots

Is there some natural law that states regional airlines have to pay pilots less than a living wage and work them to death? What are the economics driving this thing? Obviously, people are not paying enough for their tickets, right? The majors want passengers to be able to get from Podunk to a hub so they can take that flight to Hawaii or Paris. And presumably the Podunkers want to take their vacation. So why aren’t the Podunkers paying what it costs to get them there with qualified and well-rested pilots all the way? And why aren’t the majors kicking in some money to ensure that there’s a supply of Podunkers coming to the hub to be transported long distance for big money?

The major carriers will always have a surplus of highly qualified candidates to choose from. They are able to cull from from the top ranks of the regionals, as well as from the military. The impending wave of retirements won’t come close to depleting a steady supply of experienced crews.

I fly for a major cargo carrier you might have heard of.

Six months ago, our Chief Pilot said the supply of qualified pilots will be exhausted within three years.

My company has about the same demographics as the rest of the majors. 30% of our seniority list will have to retire in next 8 years.

I don’t know, Jeff. I’m not buying it. My own airline claims that it has FIVE THOUSAND pilots in its pool of “qualified applicants.” So long as the regional carriers can figure out a way to maintain necessary staffing levels, the majors will always have a fat supply of RJ pilots to pick from — plus whatever numbers the military can provide. So, it would behoove these carriers, as well as their major carrier affiliates, to make sure that salary and working conditions are adequate enough to ensure a steady supply of pilots.

My own airline claims that it has FIVE THOUSAND pilots in its pool of “qualified applicants.”

But how many of them are unique to your airline? If college applications are anything to go by, the average qualified applicant has has applied to more than one airline. Therefore, the actual number of qualified applicants is far fewer than the number of airlines times the number of applications.

So long as the regional carriers can figure out a way to maintain necessary staffing levels …

Here is the first rub. No doubt due to the turmoil in the industry since 9/11, and crappy pay and working conditions at the regionals, plus the out of pocket expense, the civilian pilot training pipeline isn’t nearly big enough.

Making matters worse, the number of entry level jobs to build flight time is far fewer. For instance, back in the day a lot of guys flew checks to clearing banks at night. That doesn’t happen anymore.

The air force has reported a shortage of pilots (20% since 2001) and is trying to replenish this with UAV flights. Our industry needs to figure out a happy mid ground or we are all going to get replaced by unmanned flight!

I’ve just been through an operator conversion course in the EU — one of the candidates paid 60.000€ to fly in the Maldives for 2 years. This is the problem: too many are willing to pay to fly, whilst those who ahve talent but no money never get the chance. The industry had only itself to blame.

P2F is very much alive and one of the main reasons I didn’t pursue a career in aviation.

Then there’s the 100 000 euro pricetag (i’m European) for the training (not including the typerating which you also have to finance yourself), add to that zero-hour-contracts, forced self-employment (no protection and rights you would have as an employee and no guarantee for actual work) and top it all off with a toxic work environment and what you get is a low-cost regional airline (i’m looking at you ryanair)!
Yeey!

Oh and there are no longer any banks that are willing to provide a loan for aspiring pilots so now it’s literally only the rich folks who are capable of funding it.

BUT if you can somehow manage to find the money and you’re somehow lucky enough to get hired by one of the big ones (KLM, air-france, British Airways, …) you’re golden. They still pay and treat pilots like they should be: like people who are handling multi-million dollar/euro machines while transporting millions of people or tons of cargo all around the world.

I guess I’m just a bit bitter, I love flying. Alwyas have. And it just sucks how bad the aviation industry is right now. The gamble is just too great, I can’t pay for the training AND the type-rating only then to be forced into the scam that is P2F or zero-hour-contracts.

On the positive side I was smart enough to see it beforehand and got a degree in IT which pays OK (not great) and I do have my PPL which is nice but not really the same.

Why should i/we pay for your so called “talent” and “dreams”.
When i started working (no skill other than determination and stamina for work) , i paid from hundred (X currency) courses/training on site to 4 zeros sums after month/years of saving,from working for others to working for “myself”.
The idea that i/we should keep/employ someone for “life” is stupid.If i/we have a need i/we will pay someone to do it , if you want “rights” you need to save/(or borrow), develop & produce a idea according what people need at a “competitive” price….instead of spewing socialist rubbish

Oh P2F schemes are out there and abundant. I recently saw one operating in Belieze charging people $5000/month to fly Caravans for them. Awesome a lot of operations doing pay to fly in both the Caribbean and the South Pacific.

There is never any such thing as an employee shortage. What there is a shortage of employers willing to pay the necessary wages to hire the people they need. I assure you, any regional carrier could get every pilot it needed and then some by simply paying $150,000 to start. Shortage over.

About ten years ago a machinist shop owner was on a local call-in show bemoaning the lack of machinists and how he couldn’t hire enough or get the ones he had to stick around. I called in and bet him $1,000 I could hire as many machinists as he needed in a week. We were on the air and he took the bet. The next day, I met the owner and the radio show host at the station’s office. I placed an add on Craig’s List offering twice the prevailing wage and had enough very qualified people by the next day. The owner called foul because I raised wages. I told him that is how you get and keep the best employees. Ford did it and it works.

There can be a customer shortage, no? Don’t you think the airlines know where the cut-off point is, where people will drive to a national park instead of flying to Hawaii because the ticket costs too much? Just as your machinist knew he wouldn’t have customers for his widgets at the price point he’d have to charge in order to pay those double wages.

The regular of comments by wannabe pilots regarding the 1500 hour rule as being to stringent are most certainly out of place.

Spending time, effort and money to gain the required flight experience is not easy for sure, but make no mistake – it wasn’t easy 25 years ago either. That somehow today’s generation of aspiring aviators seem to insist on a “break” is beyond comprehension.

There are many good reasons for not putting inexperienced people into the cockpit of an airliner full of people.

Laymen may equate flight experience with the sole manipulation of flight-controls of an airplane, but it is far more than that. The exposure to flight in different regions, seasons and circumstances is certainly very valuable, but it is only part of becoming an experienced pilot.

Another significant part is the exposure to work with other crew members over time as any non-flying related deficiencies would surface in due time and raise serious questions. This type of natural self-audit as well as the ability to take constructive criticism with grace is a fundamental part of professional aviation.

As an example, I am confident, that the 1500 hr rule would have helped to prevent the Germanwings co-pilot from killing 150 innocent passengers and crew. His psychological problems would have prevented his advancement into a cockpit of a commercial airliner.

There is no shortage of pilots in the US, Just pilots who are willing to work at poverty wages.

It’s not today’s aviators not wanting “a break” from gaining 1500hrs in single pilot and light aircraft operations before joining airlines, if you’d look outside of the US virtually all major airlines prefer to use ab-initio pilots, those that are well selected and thoroughly trained. And I don’t see their safety record as being inferior.

Talking about gaining experience, the experience gained flying light aircraft is only really applicable to light aircraft. Too much of this flying can cause “bad habits” to creep in and it can be harder to train a pilot with this experience in multi crew flying.

And you also talk of exposure to work with other crew members to expose non-flying related deficiencies but this argument is a bit redundant, if you consider the first job of a newly graduated pilot in the US is either flight instructing, sightseeing, banner towing etc. All single pilot flying. The better way would be to put them under the mentoring up of senior training captains as an airline FO.

With regards to german wings, people can appear outwardly healthy and performing normally yet internally be suffering a mental condition. They also can develop mental conditions at any stage in life. The idea that particular pilot would’ve been stopped if he had to fly 1500 single pilot hours is a fallacy. It didn’t help weed out the pilots who deliberately crashed Egyptair, Silkair and attempted to crash FedEx in Memphis. All three were experienced and mature ex-military pilots.

I am with you brother, I also have over 5,000 hours and over 2000 ME hours, with ATP Certificate and no regnal airline is willing to give me the opportunity to interview. Yes, I do have a very clean record. There is no pilot shortage.

I have to agree. If, with those credentials, you don’t have regional carriers begging you to come work for them, you’ve got something glaring in your record, or you’re otherwise not telling the whole truth.

pat
i have atp
2800 hours 150 multi
b737 and a320 type
flight and ground instructor
etc etc first class medical
us passport and have applied to republic
nada and sent email with resume to envoy and
told me to apply via some scam web site for 70 dollars
so they can later hack my data ? IF there was a shortage
they both would have immediately called me on the fone !

Airlines like British Airways, Lufthansa, Cathay Pacific etc and almost all non-US airlines have been producing high quality sponsored or an initio cadet pilots with low hours for more than the past 20 or 30 years. Even now with British Airways’ Future Pilot Program, they will repay the entire cost of pilot training in full over 7 years of employment. Aer Lingus will pay for a pilots training costs upfront. Why would they do this when I’m sure there would be a large amount of British and Irish youngsters and pilots with experience who would willingly fork over the money themselves? They must see the value in their respective programs. And I should point out, the training at the Lufthansa academy or CTC or Oxford is a step far above the ab initio programs offered by companies like Gulfstream.

I believe the 1500 hour rule was an attempt to create an artificial shortage in order to raise entry level pilot pay. That’s a fine thing to do, but then don’t suggest it was for safety related reasons, I’ve seen no evidence that a low houred pilot (who was properly trained) isn’t just as safe if not safer than a pilot with many hours flying single pilot before joining an airline.

I think I’d take the word of most of Europe’s and the World’s highly safe and well trained pilots before I took the word of the US Congress when it comes to determining what makes a safe airline pilot.

I agree with most of what you’re saying, but the idea that the 1500 hour rule was “an attempt to create an artificial shortage in order to raise entry level pilot pay,” is ridiculous. You can argue that the rule is otherwise misguided, but you’re giving way too much credit to regulators * and * to those who lobbied for the changes.

Patrick, I’m going to take issue with one quote from your otherwise well written article:

“Suddenly, pilots were being taken on with as little as 350 hours of total time, assigned to the first officer’s seat of sophisticated regional jets. Twenty or thirty years ago this would have been unthinkable. Then came a rash of accidents, including the Colgan Air (Continental Connection) disaster outside Buffalo in 2009. Regulators began taking a closer look at hiring practices, eventually passing legislation mandating higher flight time totals and additional certification requirements for new-hires.”

Now I’m not sure if you’re suggesting that low houred pilots were the sole cause of the crashes, but in the Colgan case apart from the FO actually having 1500hrs when joining Colgan other factors like fatigue and poor training played a bigger part.

The idea that you need 1500 flying hours before stepping into the right hand seat of a turboprop or jet is a uniquely American requirement, but the experience from literally every other country in the world shows you can take a pilot with low hours and successfully integrate them into high capacity multi crew airline flying. But you need to have a good candidate selection process, comprehensive, structured training, proper monitoringandf assessment of candidates whilst training and proper multi crew cooperation traning to prepare them for multi crew operations from the start of the training process.

Kinda curious why you feel that the majors will not have a problem. The generally accepted number of mandatory retirements in the industry by 2022 is 18,000 pilots not accounting for those who decide to leave before 65, medical out or growth (Re. United’s recent 737 orders) yet the ‘smartest and the brightest” seem to think since they have X,000’s of apps on file they will not have a problem. Do they actually feel that all of those people have actually just applied to their airline alone? They are delusional if they do because the fact is that 90% of those X,000’s have applied at ALL of the majors, SWA et al and will indeed take the first job that is offered leaving 3 or 4 other airlines without a pilot they were counting on. Anyone in the industry who is not in denial can clearly see this.

My feeling is that so long as the regionals can, one way or the other, keep their rosters filled, the majors are not going to have a problem. Eventually it’ll be incumbent upon the majors to make sure this happens, both for the sake of their regional operations and for their future pilot needs. There will be a cost to this, but they’ll have no choice. The regionals will become de facto flight academies — even more so than they are already. And you’ll also have the pilots from the armed forces. The military feed isn’t as robust as it once was, but it’s still there.

“An aspiring aviator has to ask, is it worth sinking $50,000 or more into one’s primary training, plus the time it will take to build the necessary number of flight hours, plus the cost of a college education, only to spend years toiling at poverty-level wages, with at best a marginal shot at moving on to a major? For many the answer is no.”

And that’s why I chose not to pursue a piloting career. It’s a shame, because I’m sure I would’ve loved it. But I also want to live well. I’m now 7 1/2 years out of college, and earning a salary that would take a regional pilot an entire career to achieve.

My son, now in college, loved flying while growing up. His birthday and holiday presents were all plane-related, and over time he created a great simulator at his desk with all kinds of peripherals. We paid for him to take maybe 20 lessons in a Cessna.

For a long time he assumed he’d be a pilot when he grew up, but as he began researching pilot careers he found out how woefully underpaid they are. The deal reminds me a bit of the old apprenticeship scams (as still exists in the medical field), where you are paid ridiculously low wages for stressful working conditions for a number of years, but your reward is getting a well-paid job when the apprenticeship is over. Only, in the airline industry there is no actual apprenticeship – just low paid jobs for years and a possibility of getting more later.

Even then he found that the top airlines have cut salaries and benefits, too, so that an engineer with similar experience often makes more than a senior pilot.

Sadly, my son gave up on his pilot career, and I’m sure there are many like him. I’m sure that the airline’s preferred solution will be to continue to pay very low wages but instead for immigrants on visas – and they’ll use the lack of supply of new pilots as justification for those visas.

I feel this article gets it about 90% right, but just like everything else I have ever read on this topic in the business press or general news type publications the author chooses to perpetuate the myth that there is a big difference between regional airlines and the legacy airlines that employ/exploit them.

Regional airlines are fake airlines. They are shell companies that only exist as the playthings of Legacy airlines. Their sole purpose is to increase the profitability of the legacy carriers by arbitraging labor, sowing discord among professional pilot ranks and encouraging ‘race to the bottom’ labor market dynamics. The sides of the aircraft are painted with the logos for Delta, United and American. The tickets held by the passengers in regional jet cabins are sold by Delta, United and American, and in many cases the aircraft themselves and various other ‘regional’ company resources belong to the parent/master legacy company. The regional sector hasn’t grown, but rather the legacies have successfully maximized profits by expunging thousands of professional pilots from their seniority lists while still getting them to fly their aircraft and passengers for cheap. if the legacies in-house their struggling shell company regionals and give the hopeless regional pilots a seniority number with a decent wage, work rules, and benefits this so-called ‘crisis’ will be over. It’s only a crisis if you are an airline CEO addicted to cheap, exploited labor.

How easily we forget all the factors that go into hiring a pilot. Are there thousands of licensed commercial and ATP Pilots with valid medicals?? Probably. How are their driving records? Tickets… DUI’s… Too many tickets or a DUI are automatic dis-qualifiers for being hired at reputable airlines. How do your numbers avoid a shortage with those factors in mind. If you can’t drive a car responsibly; you think an airline is gonna let you sit in the right seat?? Yeah right. I agree there are thousands of pilots who could easily start working…however how many would be disqualified once all factors are taken into consideration. It’s like a math problem.. even if the 17 steps you did were correct for one problem, that step where you forgot the negative sign makes the whole problem incorrect! There is a pilot shortage.

I love how you think that you know how many sidelined ATP guys aren’t flying because of DUIs. Just wow. Are you a pilot at a regional airline? Are you a mainline pilot? I think of the 20 something ATP qualified pilots that I PERSONALLY know who aren’t at an airline right now, aren’t because the career is extremely volatile, the quality of life is terrible, and pay is not commensurate with the stress of the job and the stress it puts on their personal lives. P.S. there are several regional airlines hiring people with multiple DUIs and multiple training failures over the phone because management doesn’t care who flies your plane.

On the how many DUI pilots are flying for regional airlines comment… I am very specific with what I say so please read carefully before adding sarcasm and objection into a response. I said reputable airlines… big difference. There will always be companies who hire from the bottom of the barrel. Yes anybody can fly for GoJet, but go apply to Southwest or Express Jet if you wanna go regional entry level; with all of those traffic tickets or a DUI… good luck. I recently read application criteria which stated if you have two moving violations or a DUI in the past two years, DO NOT apply. So once again reputable is the key word here and in my previous comment.

Honestly, they probably just put that 2 year limit there to make sure the initial, by initial I mean the 1st year after mostly, ass-wringing that the government puts people through for getting a DUI isn’t going to affect their availability for employment.

After the first year life goes back to normal, and if you’re not a complete moron unable to learn major life lessons may be less likely to have problems in the future than someone else who simply has not learned the hard way, truly.

> It’s somewhat telling that virtually no regional carriers have raised their salaries or benefit packages

No need while there’s still people who are glad to get paid to fly, no matter the pittance, no matter the lousy working conditions, no matter how meager the benefits, no matter how scant the possibility of climing the aviation career ladder.

Long-haul, over-the-road, 18-wheel drivers are faced with a similar dilemma. They’re making a steady living, but at a high personal and financial price. The major trucking companies ave no need (yet) to replace drivers who job jump, since the competitors’ pay packages aren’t any better.

Drivers are already becoming difficult to recruit and retain. It’s getting steadily worse, and the future is multi-modal, road-trains and relaxed regulation.

Which is more important, safety or “shareholder value”? Yeah. Right. Sure it is…

I retire some 7 years ago from a major. Was trained to fly in the USAF 46+ years ago. We were hearing about pilot shortages even back then. Of course, there was a brief period, well before Deregulation, when United did hire some very low-time people… “This is not your Grandfatathers airline industry!” 😉

We in IT have heard the lie “shortage of skilled American IT workers” for going on 15 years, back to the dotcom days. It’s a blatant lie and both Republicans and Democrats make it to kiss up to corporate America. They import H1B workers by the thousands who displace American workers with better skills. We have the added burden that these scabs have somehow got a reputation for being highly skilled, when in fact they usually do crappy work. The only reason for this is corporate greed.

I’d take the analysis one step further. The question isn’t whether there will be an airline pilot shortage, the question is whether there be a CFI shortage in the US. As you point out, the majors will always have 300 apps for every pilot position. Applicants will include ex-military, regional pilots with 2000+ TPIC hours, and furloughees. Similarly, the regionals can always rely on a steady applicant pool of Part 91/135 pilots, CFIs, and FOs from other regionals. If hiring ever picks up in a big way, the shortage will not be in the 121 world, it will be in the CFI world. Only after the supply of experienced CFIs has dwindled would regionals start to feel a supply pinch, and that would probably take many years as there seems to be a steady supply of folks willing to fork over $50k+ to get their CFI ticket (plus CFII, MEI, ATP, etc.).

The question is, will the “upgauging” of legacy carriers and the rest requirements require the legacy’s to open up hiring again in any significant way? While I highly doubt it will result in a major dent in the sheer supply, it may result in the transfer of significant people at the regionals who have been working a longtime the chance to get into the majors.

It depends what you mean by significant. There will be, or should be, hiring by ALL of the legacy carriers in the next decade. But it won’t be on the scale that we’ve seen in years past — if for no other reason than regionals now account for such a huge share of the flying….

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If you spend any time in corporate America, you’ll see that the decision making process involves posturing, politics and voodo economics. The airline braintrusts are leading the cause to a the ultimate unsustainable industry.

When you penalize a human being for attempting to become an airline pilot by using the supply and demand model of “pay-newbies-as-cheap-as-dirt-is-good”, you can expect just what you have. A pilot shortage you’ll never resolve.

Explain how that works for the industry you Einsteins of commerce.

Nice to be retired, though I would have liked a shot at the 787…after the battery debacle of course.

Seems to me that in lots of professions that people wanting to enter get all the shitty jobs for shitty pay—in my business (graphic design) sometimes shitty jobs for NO pay—as one works up the industry ladder to gain experience and flight hours.

How is this any different? People expect to be hired by the majors after doing their first solo?

Seems to me a way of avoiding a lot of this job-ache would be to do your flight training in the military.

The difference, I think, is that the financial outlay is a lot higher and it takes a lot longer to make a decent living. And flying is an extremely specific pursuit. You are really committing yourself. There’s almost no transfer of skills or experience into another line of work.

“Shortages” of various professionals are manufactured in the media by interested stakeholders to manipulate supply and demand. In the case of pilots, the stakeholders appear to be the airlines who desire a larger and cheaper supply of pilots.

I am a veterinarian and I have been hearing about a “shortage” of veterinarians for the last 20 years. The fallacy of a veterinary shortage has been promulgated by veterinary schools who desire larger enrollments and therefore larger volumes of tuition, and by corporate veterinary chains who desire a plentiful inexpensive work force.

Meanwhile veterinary salaries are dropping. Many veterinary graduates are unable to find work as veterinarians, defaulting on student loans, and taking jobs in fast food.

There will never be a shortage of starry-eyed kids who will do or pay anything to become pilots or vets. I pity the poor dumb young people who throw their lives away by choosing these careers in these times.

Most enjoyable job I ever had. However, after two years of 18 hour days and selling stereos on the weekend to pay rent, it was time to move on. I could not commit to ten years more of this with only a slight hope of making the majors. What if I failed my medical? What if there was a downturn in the economy? Pilots pay a high price to sit up front.

It’s another version of “we don’t have enough software engineers” which really means that the employer wants H-1 specialist workers (lower pay & visa tied to the employer) & don’t interview the senior people who are also up on current software, etc.

US businesses have become crybabies who want it all, and for free. An unlimited supply of fully trained and experienced applicants to be hired at entry level pay without benefits. And if Americans won’t take the lowball offers, they want to be able to import foreigners.

Isn’t this basically the result of the US aviation industry’s race to the bottom?

What are the airlines doing to recruit good pilots? How much are they investing into future aviators? I know that ‘wealthier’ airlines like Swiss or Lufthansa have their own flight schools. They pay for their future pilots’ education (or parts of it) and in return these young pilots sign for a job with the airline for a certain number of years.

How much does AA or United pay towards flight school? Exactly. I’m afraid you DO end up getting what you pay for.

It’s incredulous that so many pilots make so little and have such horrible conditions in which to try to rest, eat, etc. I want my pilot well paid, well rested, fed, and ready to go. I think most of us do.