4 Logs Compared and the resultsFour different Quiet Please logs compared side by side - This is a summary of the differences, and my conclusion on which log is the most accurate one.. and why I think so.. However, I'm no expert and welcome those more knowledgeable on the matter to offer their correction or insight..

Comments on 4 Logs Compared and the results

Posted Jun 17, 2014 - 8:46 PM:
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I'm sure much effort has been put forth by numerous people over the years in compiling of information needed to formulate accurate Quiet Please logs. But the logs don't always agree. I haven't done any real research myself, but I do explore those conclusions of research concerning this series..

I put four Quiet Please logs side by side on one webpage page to make it easier to compare.You can look at the page here: https://db.tt/G7uSmvqe(You might have to scroll sideways a little bit, depending on you screen resolution)

So I guess everyone is right..? How does one go about determining which date to use in a log? (Network vs WOR)Wouldn't it be more accurate to list both?-------------------------------------------------

-------------------------------------------------Episode #101 "THE OLDEST MAN IN THE WORLD"All logs agree on May 21, 1949, except for Quietplease.org stating May 22.I'm not where to look for specific background information to confirm actual dates, nor found an original script for Oldest Man In the World, but of note, both quietlyyours.webs.com and www.genericradio.com provide a transcript of episode #101: as "In The House Where I Was Born"----------------------------------------------------

Now let me jump back and cover episodes 17 thru 34 in one swipe...

All logs agree on air dates for episodes #17 thru #34.. EXCEPT for the digital Deli which are all two days later.. For his sources of information he cites specific newspapers of that era for each individual episode concerning their air date. Those newspapers include: Wisconsin State Journal, Hutchinson News Herald, Bradford Era, Syracuse Herald Journal, Portsmouth Times, and Morning Herald.

Although I haven't researched to confirm his information, I am inclined to believe it to be valid.. otherwise it would mean either the 1940's newspapers were incorrect about the air dates, or that he fabricated the whole thing out of the blue - Neither of these possibilities seem likely, so I tend to put confidence in his research..

If his research is indeed valid, then that would lean strongly to conclude his log is the most accurate one.Or so it seems to me.

What is your opinion on this matter?

Edited by Endof80 on Jun 17, 2014 - 9:46 PM. Reason: Edited to change the word "expect" to except - and also a couple other misspellings!

I decided to add one more log to the comparison; The Paley Media Center QP Collection, SO now there are 5 logs to compare side by side, and you can view it in this updated page: https://db.tt/77micWN8

So..Here's what I noticed concerning the Paley Media Center "Log" in comparison to the rest:

All but 8 of the episode air dates correspond with the logs we commonly go by.It does not however correspond with the dates suggested by Digital Deli Log which I was leaning towards above as accurate.

The actual sequence of episodes correspond about 98% with the established logs we go by, however almost all of the episode numbers are exactly 2 digits behind our logs. IE: 105 is listed as #103, 104 as #102, 103 as #101, etc.

I haven't formulated a conclusion as to why almost all the episodes are exactly 2 digits prior.. but I keep toying with the idea that it somehow holds a key to Cooper's announcement of a total of 107 episodes.. I think there may have been repeats which we are unaware of, and the key lies somehow in the alternate dates marked on 8 of the original disc..

I'm going to throw some armchair speculation out, because I don't think we can just disregard the dates, because they must mean something.

These are the 8 episodes with different dates than our own logs (presumably as marked on the original transcription disc in the museum)

QUIET, PLEASE!: WE WERE HERE FIRST (RADIO) (June 26, 1947) ..as opposed to the 22nd as common logs suggest.Armchair Speculation:Lets say after it aired on the 22nd, it was rebroadcast 4 days later locally on the 26th.. Isn't this exactly the same thing as what was done with Ribbon at Lincoln Green?

QUIET PLEASE!: CORNELIA (RADIO) (July 03, 1947)Armchair Speculation:After the 4th episode on June 29, there's no record of Quiet Please airing again until July 20th.. Are we absolutely certain? Isn't it conceivable that 4 or 5 days after episode 4 that they might of aired "Cornelia" on July 3?. locally? I can find no record of when Cornelia was rehearsed or recorded. What was going on during that 3 weeks between 6/29 and 7/20?.. Are we certain there wasn't any airing at all?

QUIET PLEASE!: HOW ARE YOU PAL? (RADIO) (May 22, 1947)Armchair Speculation:Now this one is really odd, as it falls a few weeks before the series even began.. But certainly Cooper must have already had spokes turning knowing that the show would debut in a couple short weeks, perhaps it was a matter of per-preparation? The idea is not really that much of a stretch. Maybe there was a pre-airing. Or it could be that it was just a mislabeled disc.

#056: THE MAN WHO STOLE THE PLANET (RADIO) (July 06, 1948)Armchair Speculation:Our common logs show 7/26, so does the original script http://www.quietlyyours.webs.com/57.htmMy guess? The disc actually is labeled the 26th, but the perhaps the "2" was hand written quickly resulting with a big loop, and it looked like an "0" to whoever at the Paley museum that documented this record online, or maybe the "2" was just worn off. (best guess).

#059: PRESTO, CHANGO, I'M SURE (RADIO) (August 06, 1948)Armchair Speculation:Hmmm.. 10 days before our logs say, and 3 days before "Fourable Board", and 4 days after "It's later than you think".. I dunno.

#074: MY SON JOHN (1948-11-26) (RADIO) (RB:1450-T) (November 26, 1948)2 days prior than what our logs say, again, I dont know, either the logs or the dates on the disc are wrong - or they are both right and there's something not being considered.

And Lastly..

#084: TAP THE HEAT, BAGDAN (RADIO) (February 06, 1948)Exactly 1 year off. Must be a mistype.

Whatever it is, the dates must refer to something, it's physical evidence from the 1940's.. What does it mean?

Before I conclude, just want to mention I noticed the following episode title curiosities in the catalog:

JACK ROSALEN --instead of Dark RosaleenTHE SMELL OF HIGH WINDS --instead of The Smell of High WinesTHE VALE OF GLENCAE -- as opposed ot The Vale of Glen Coe, andTHE LITTLE MORNINGS --instead of The Little Morning THE TIME OF THE BIG SHOW instead of SnowWHENCE YOU CAME? instead of Whence Came YouA RED AND WHITE GARDEN instead GuidonTHE ROOM WHERE THE GHOSTS LIVED instead of LiveNOT ENOUGH instead of Not Enough TimeIF I SHOULD WAKE BEFORE I DID instead of DieTAP THE HEAT, BAGDAN instead of BogdanONE FOR THE BOOKS instead of Book3000 WARDS instead of Words

I suppose it could be argued the mis-titled episodes in their log can be an indication that the dates they provide may also have been mis-copied in the Paley catalog

As for the 16 of titles not listed, they probably can be found in this unspecified collection:

Quiet, Please Dialogue For A Tragedy 4/10/1949Quiet, Please One Hundred Thousand Diameters 6/7/1948Quiet, Please Not Responsible After Thirty Years 6/14/1948Quiet, Please Let the Lilies Consider 6/28/1948Quiet, Please Vahine Tahini 7/5/1948Quiet, Please As Long As I Live 7/19/1948Quiet, Please The Man Who Stole the Planet 7/26/1948Quiet, Please It Is Later Than You Think 8/2/1948Quiet, Please The Thing On the Fourble-Board 8/9/1948Quiet, Please Presto Chango, I'm Sure 8/16/1948

Quiet, Please Three Thousand Words 8/23/1948Quiet, Please Motive 8/30/1948Quiet, Please The Third Man's Story 9/6/1948Quiet, Please Symphony In D Minor 9/13/1948Quiet, Please Anonymous 9/19/1948Quiet, Please Light the Lamp For Me 9/26/1948Quiet, Please Meet John Smith, John 10/3/1948Quiet, Please Beezer's Cellar 10/10/1948Quiet, Please And Jeannie Dreams of Me 10/17/1948Quiet, Please Good Ghost 10/24/1948Quiet, Please Calling All Souls 10/31/1948Quiet, Please Adam and the Darkest Day 11/7/1948Quiet, Please The Evening and the Morning 11/14/1948Quiet, Please One For the Book 11/21/1948Quiet, Please My Son John 11/28/1948Quiet, Please Very Important Person 12/5/1948Quiet, Please Rede Me This Riddle 12/12/1948Quiet, Please The Gothic Tale 12/19/1948Quiet Please Berlin, 1945 12/26/1948Quiet, Please The Time of the Big Snow 1/2/1949Quiet, Please Portrait of a Character 1/9/1949Quiet, Please In This Murder? 1/16/1949Quiet, Please Summer Goodbye 1/23/1949Quiet, Please Northern Lights 1/30/1949Quiet, Please Tap the Heat, Bogdan 2/6/1949Quiet, Please Valentine? 2/13/1949Quiet, Please Where Do You Get Your Ideas? 2/20/1949Quiet, Please If I Should Wake Before I Die 2/27/1949Quiet, Please The Man Who Knew Everything 3/6/1949Quiet, Please Dork Rosaleen 3/13/1949Quiet, Please The Smell of High Wines 3/20/2949Quiet, Please A Time to Be Born, And A Time to Die 3/27/1949Quiet, Please The Venetian Blind Man 4/3/1949Quiet, Please Shadow of the Wings 4/17/1949Quiet, Please The Vale of Glencoe 4/24/1949Quiet, Please Dark Grey Magic 5/1/1949Quiet, Please Other Side of the Stars 5/8/1949Quiet, Please The Little Mornings 5/15/1949Quiet, Please The Oldest Man in the World 5/21/1949Quiet, Please In the House Where I Was Born 5/28/1949Quiet, Please Tanglefoot 6/4/1949Quiet, Please The Hat, The Bed, And John J. Catherine 6/11/1949Quiet, Please Pavane 6/18/1949Quiet, Please Quiet, Please 6/25/1949

Notice that there's only 105 scripts in the list, not counting the audition script and "Mirror, Mirror, On the Wall," which is listed twice, but once without a date, probably in error. The dates used seem to be for the network broadcasts, rather than the ones done locally for New York.

"And here is the list of scripts at the Library of American Broadcasting in Maryland -- verbatim from their own text file:""

MS, how did you find that?.. I went to the Library of American Broadcasting website and to their linking database sites, and searched and browsed and also categorized searches and alphabetically listing and every other method available .. I can't find it!What am I doing wrong?Can you provide a direct link?

"Actually, Chappell's discs are now with the Paley Center for Media. Tapes were made of the discs [at the University of Florida] before they ended up at Paley, but, according to one of the old time radio collectors involved, the discs weren't cleaned prior to the taping. Hence, the poor audio on many of the circulating episodes..."

Well, the implications of what you said just hit me.This kind of confuses me, because I thought the original disc had been donated directly to Paley museum by Chappells widow.. and somehow during that process J. Goldwin had acquired tape copies of the disc, which years later ended up in the hands of Radio Spirits - which left me to believe them to possess the only first generation tapes in existence.. (other then Paley).But if what you point out is correct, then this isn't the case.

Does this not mean that the John Aston collection is also a first generation copy of the series?Still, I suspect Radio Spirits collection would be better since it was Goldwin who had made the transfers instead of some college kid working in the library!, but besides the point since they continue to keep it tucked away out of the publics hands.

But again, I thought Chappells widow donated directly to the museum.. How is it they were ever at the Florida Uninversity to begin with?Also, since the disc were recorded before ever reaching Paley, and those recordings are the base source of the circulating copies, why is it we are lacking two of the episodes which Paley has (5th and Diameters)?

As far as I know, the LAB's list of QP scripts isn't on their website. Apparently, if you email and request it, they'll send a copy.

Goldin wasn't involved in taping the bulk of the circulating episodes (as Zorka pointed out in a post a few years ago: www.quietplease.org/forum/c...293&findpost=1333#post1333 ): "he was not involved in the discovery of the episodes of QP that popped up 8-10 years ago - those mostly came from the estate of Ernest Chappell."

In other words, Goldin had copies of the few episodes that were circulating in the 1970s and '80s, but the remainder seem to have come from the University of Florida taping.

Apparently, the Chappell estate had donated the discs to the college, but then the Paley Center (or its precursor) made a later deal to acquire them.

I guess I have the whole story wrong then.. That clears confusion on a few other things I didn't understand as well. I'll need to edit my blog post to reflect this information.. However the next paragraph of your quote above goes on to say: "..But Goldin did have his own copies of things; had the influence to usually get copies of those types of discoveries at the time; and also had very detailed radio log books of much of the material."

So that statement above strongly indicates that although he was not instrumental in the actual discovery, he was still directly involved, and enabled to acquire copy of the entire collection at the time of the discovery. This thus making his collection much more than the 12 in circulation at the time some 40 years ago, how else could he have been able to produce very detailed logs as described above?

Anyway, I thought the only existing original source material was Chappells own collection, I didn't realize ABC still had any remaining material.

But that does answer a previous question on how and from where the original 12 ever came to surface.

Thanks for the clarifications MS

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