Comment by Tempura

Comment by kronchev

Haste is like MP5, on one item its not really effective, but if you stack it, you can get a LOT of reduction.

Comment by LordThurisaz

Downranking to Holy Light rank 4 is a terrible idea. Your +heal coefficient for spells gets lower the further from your current level the spell's level is. I'm not sure by how much, but I do know that it is pretty severe.

Comment by Nameme

Comment by PoetikDragon

Both of the math posts at the top are wrong. Haste numbers being changed in 2.2 and the haste rating on this item aside, the math itself is still incorrect. Speed is not the same thing as Cast Time, and you cannot directly multiply Haste by a spell's Cast Time.

Haste increases Speed and decreases Cast Time. Speed is defined as number of casts per second. Cast Time is defined as number of seconds per cast. Thus, Cast Time and Speed are inversed of each other. The new cast time of a hasted spell is the inverse of the new speed, which is the inverse of the base cast time multiplied by 100% + haste.

Note, also, that Light's Grace makes a special case for Holy Light. Normally, Haste effects the Cast Time of a spell after talents are taken into consideration, such as with the Bane talent for Warlocks. However, Light's Grace is different - it does not reduce the base Cast Time in your spellbook, but instead applies a temporary buff. Because of this, Haste for Holy Light is based on the 2.5 second Cast Time, not 2.0 seconds! (To put it another way, the -0.5 seconds is applied after Haste.)

With those two corrections in mind, here's the actual Cast Times for various paladin spells with 2.41% Haste:Holy Light 1.94sFlash of Light 1.46sRedemption 9.76sAvenger's Shield 0.98sHoly Wrath 1.95sHammer of Wrath 0.49sTurn Undead 1.46sSummon Charger 2.93s

This may seem similar to the original values posted. However, the discrepancies grow larger the more Haste you have and the longer the Cast Time. For example, lets take a base 30% Haste - doable with some Haste gear and gems, as well as the Black Morass trinket - and a long casting spell like Redemption.

Comment by Nameme

Excuse me good sir, but where exactly in my post did I say ANYTHING pertaining to cast time? I merely stated the percentage haste this gives you based on ratings. My math is not wrong. Your interpretation of my post is wrong.

To find the cast time, one would just subtract the percentage haste from 100, divide that figure by 100, and multiply that figure by the original cast time.

Next time you criticize one of my posts, please make sure you are certain of your accusations. Once again, my math is NOT wrong. Your interpretation is wrong.

Comment by zothar

I thought these were bind on equip? Has that changed?

Comment by vexis58

According to MaxDPS.com these shoulders are the third best pally healing shoulders in the game, better than T5. The pattern will appear on the AH from time to time, so if you're a blacksmith with plenty of money to spend, it's possible to get BT-quality gear without ever setting foot in a raid just by watching the AH long enough. Expect to spend a LOT on the Hearts of Darkness if you ever see them.

Comment by RipperGand

I made a set using these shoulders, Brighthelm of Justice and the Paladin Tier-1, Lawbringer. Hope you like it.(It's only for the looks!)

Comment by blademon64

How paladin tier gear should look.

Comment by doctoral

Tranmoggers beware! I was looking for a nice set of golden shoulders to go with my mainly gold armour and these shoulders look truly amazing. I found the Blacksmithing recipe on the auction house and was blown away. Of course I purchased it along with all the mats (luckily not that expensive apart from the khorium), mailed it to my BS and made them.

When I tried to mail them to my plate wearer I had a nasty suprise. "You cannot mail soulbound items".

And my blacksmith is a mail wearer. Doh!

Comment by oscarucb

This crafted item is bind-on-pickup (BoP). This means you must learn the pattern and craft the item on the toon who wants to wear or transmog it.

The BoP Craft Confirm addon helps save you from accidentally crafting BoP items that you intend to trade or auction.