It definitely voids the warranty. Perhaps I'll hold off and keep my eye out for any steals on a Dragon that may present themselves. If our Monarchs arrive soon I guess 30GH/s won't make much of a difference anyway.

It definitely voids the warranty. Perhaps I'll hold off and keep my eye out for any steals on a Dragon that may present themselves. If our Monarchs arrive soon I guess 30GH/s won't make much of a difference anyway.

If BTC ever goes to $10,000 then 30 GH/s at the current difficulty will still be worth something nice.

I've discussed this at some length with a fellow Fan and we lean towards opposite sides of the fence.. Me being a little too ready to accept the risk, him possibly being a little too cautious.

Perhaps if you find a deal on a Dragon, maybe we could consider doing 1 and monitoring it for a week or so - see how much difference in temp there is, etc. Then revisit the issue once we have that knowledge?

It definitely voids the warranty. Perhaps I'll hold off and keep my eye out for any steals on a Dragon that may present themselves. If our Monarchs arrive soon I guess 30GH/s won't make much of a difference anyway.

Or on the contrary keep these stock until the warranty is essentially no good, then boost them .... I suspect there is a decent chance that BFL may come out with a like update which won't void the warranty...

It definitely voids the warranty. Perhaps I'll hold off and keep my eye out for any steals on a Dragon that may present themselves. If our Monarchs arrive soon I guess 30GH/s won't make much of a difference anyway.

Or on the contrary keep these stock until the warranty is essentially no good, then boost them .... I suspect there is a decent chance that BFL may come out with a like update which won't void the warranty...

Agreed, also because the damage that this may cause would most likely not be seen in a week, but only after months of 24/7 usage

Or on the contrary keep these stock until the warranty is essentially no good, then boost them .... I suspect there is a decent chance that BFL may come out with a like update which won't void the warranty...

THat's not a bad comprimise.. How long is the warranty good for anyway?

Or on the contrary keep these stock until the warranty is essentially no good, then boost them .... I suspect there is a decent chance that BFL may come out with a like update which won't void the warranty...

THat's not a bad comprimise.. How long is the warranty good for anyway?

Quote from: Butterfly Labs Website FAQs

In all cases, warranties will be a minimum of 1 year from the date of shipment.

I've been in contact with CoinTerra in regards to their 2TH/s liquid cooled miner that is coming in January. I thought this might make a nice addition to Nasty Mining and CoinTerra has been generous enough to offer us a small discount on this unit to consider their miners for future purchases. That being said, we still have quite a bit of debt and I am uncomfortable taking on new debts at this time without a poll.

What I would like to do is find buyers for 20 BTC or more of this loan from me, which will enable me to place a personal order for the 2TH/s Terraminer. A 30 day poll can then be conducted to see if Nasty Mining should take over the order and assume the new debt (whatever the purchase price is in BTC). This would be like teaming up with me to help NastyFans get a 30 day option on purchasing a Terraminer. This would also give us nearly 8TH/s in power due in the next 3 months.

Any way to charge back the BFL stuff?? Would be great to ditch them and use a decent hardware vendor.

I think that would be a mistake. We're most likely in the bullet run and should be receiving something in about a month. However, I'd love to use my personal funds to help us land a Terraminer in January which I think would be a good move... I am just about to place an order for the 1oz silver NastyFans coins, and the rising BTC price might enable me to actually have enough funds leftover to place the Terraminer order soon, but it would help speed things along if someone were able to buy some of my Nasty Mining debt...

What timeline do you expect to pay back this proposed reallocated debt?

I agree ditching BFL seems like a smart move considering their history, receiving "Next-Gen" hardware from them in a month seems extremely hopeful. Although you are completely right about the advantageous order queue you have.

Any way to charge back the BFL stuff?? Would be great to ditch them and use a decent hardware vendor.

I think that would be a mistake. We're most likely in the bullet run and should be receiving something in about a month. However, I'd love to use my personal funds to help us land a Terraminer in January which I think would be a good move... I am just about to place an order for the 1oz silver NastyFans coins, and the rising BTC price might enable me to actually have enough funds leftover to place the Terraminer order soon, but it would help speed things along if someone were able to buy some of my Nasty Mining debt...

I'm not exactly happy with BFL, but they do deliver good, quality equipment at the specs they advertise. When they deliver is another story. Hopefully they are getting better with that. And normally I would agree OgNasty on the above. However looking at the numbers, it would probably make sense if we could chargeback a couple of the Monarchs and get a Cointerra 2 TH/s unit or two. I'm sure the numbers I'm going to put out there are not correct due to discounts and such but I'm guessing that it's fairly close..

9 (I think) BFL Monarchs @ about $4,680 each = $42,120 for a total of 5.4 TH/s

7 Cointerra 2 TH/s units @ $5,999 = $41,993 for a total of 14 TH/s (8.6 TH/s more) for the same $

Other factors:

Like I said, I may not have used the correct numbers

I don't know Cointerra's reputation. Have they delivered on time before?

IF BFL delivers the bullet run mid november AND Cointerra delivers in January then we're talking about 2 - 3 months before we get the gear which means around 6-7 or so difficulty adjustments.

Could we even get the full amount back from BFL?

Anyway, please ignore my ignorance in a number of the factor that I've put out there. If I'm incorrect or have facts wrong, please correct me.

It's just a thought and I will be happy with whatever OgNasty and my fellow Fan's think!