the 1070's scare me, and i warned of this before, they make like a few bucks a day with recent drop, a few more drops and their gonna be making like a buck a day the 1080ti are more future proof, they will SLAY any new algos or coins that drop, and you could mine for a YEAR on a ti, and prob STILL get good resale to a gamer (look at 980ti's price still compared to 970)

Think long! Mining is not a short game anymore! the short thinkers will be left having to build 25 rigs to do what the smart builders 6 rigs can do!think of all the sheeple that ALL bought 1070! there's as many out there as 470! (i have 6 myself alone) haha.

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All the 1070's I've been seeing are marked up by Newegg and Microcenter. Due to the already high price points of the 1080ti's, most of the vendors didn't touch them.

Microcenter has 1070's for $500+ I mean, I can get a 1080ti FE for $670.. To me, I went with the 1080ti for that reason.. I have (3) currently. Even if I give up mining soon, I will have a killer gaming rig and probably can sell at least one for a some good money sooner or later.

All the 1070's I've been seeing are marked up by Newegg and Microcenter. Due to the already high price points of the 1080ti's, most of the vendors didn't touch them.

Microcenter has 1070's for $500+ I mean, I can get a 1080ti FE for $670.. To me, I went with the 1080ti for that reason.. I have (3) currently. Even if I give up mining soon, I will have a killer gaming rig and probably can sell at least one for a some good money sooner or later.

In my country we can get a 1080ti FE for U$1200 or more due taxes, can you f*$%# believe?

Hello again guys, just to enlighten your ideas. I have a RIG with 6 RX480 8Gb, and my PC came with a 1080ti, just for gaming and stuff. But mining is like crack, do you want more and more. So I had a idea to try my personal GPU and give some data to someone is in need.After a couple of weeks I've reachead a optimal use to Pascal GPU (based on information I collected across the Internet), this is not a thing to get rich or make a tons of money, but I have a medium sallary and any change in the income helps a lot.

The 1080ti is not the best GPU to do this, we now that, but we have this GEM, and we want to do some profit. If anyone want to BUY a new cards or research about best options to mine, this is not the ideal place, we are here just to trade and share informations about using the 1080ti we already have. (and maybe buy another one, to scientific purposes of course )

Thanks everyone. Keep in touch. See you Later.

In a "normal" market where things are gong for MSRP you're right

In a world where the only cards you can find at a reasonable price are the Ti's, they're the best choice

1070s are better at ~300 a piece, but you can't find one of those either.

Your 580 rig will be a much bigger risk because no one will pay what you find them for (probably double MSRP almost)

What made the Ti's a bad choice was their upfront cost...Which isn't that much in a world where people are paying 450 for a 1070

edit - obviously those prices in the states, might not be there yet in the rest of the world IDK. I just paid 740 for TI gaming X's, considering power consumption and density it's a great deal

the 1070's scare me, and i warned of this before, they make like a few bucks a day with recent drop, a few more drops and their gonna be making like a buck a day the 1080ti are more future proof, they will SLAY any new algos or coins that drop, and you could mine for a YEAR on a ti, and prob STILL get good resale to a gamer (look at 980ti's price still compared to 970)

Think long! Mining is not a short game anymore! the short thinkers will be left having to build 25 rigs to do what the smart builders 6 rigs can do!think of all the sheeple that ALL bought 1070! there's as many out there as 470! (i have 6 myself alone) haha.

the problem with the 1080ti is at 200 or 250 watt. tdp u need like a 1500 watt psu for six, 1070 you can run on 1200 or even 1000 watt

the 1070's scare me, and i warned of this before, they make like a few bucks a day with recent drop, a few more drops and their gonna be making like a buck a day the 1080ti are more future proof, they will SLAY any new algos or coins that drop, and you could mine for a YEAR on a ti, and prob STILL get good resale to a gamer (look at 980ti's price still compared to 970)

Think long! Mining is not a short game anymore! the short thinkers will be left having to build 25 rigs to do what the smart builders 6 rigs can do!think of all the sheeple that ALL bought 1070! there's as many out there as 470! (i have 6 myself alone) haha.

the problem with the 1080ti is at 200 or 250 watt. tdp u need like a 1500 watt psu for six, 1070 you can run on 1200 or even 1000 watt

1200i vs a 1500i is only $100 difference. I was running all 1500i's and 1600w EVGAs but they got backordered and harder to get so now I just run dual 850's for everything, even 6x1070's which I have 1 running on 1 850w EVGA, they are all on dual 850's as well.

What made the Ti's a bad choice was their upfront cost...Which isn't that much in a world where people are paying 450 for a 1070

The upfront cost is not a problem as long as the revenue is better. But GDDR5X is a problem for now.

I agree, the revenue is already paying back the costs. But we now a lot of reasons why ti's aren't (right now) the best options, you can just miner a restrict number of coins and make them profitable, with this variations on market and some bubbles, we could came from guys using gpu and making money to just dudes with gpu only for games. Pls consider this thought...

What made the Ti's a bad choice was their upfront cost...Which isn't that much in a world where people are paying 450 for a 1070

The upfront cost is not a problem as long as the revenue is better. But GDDR5X is a problem for now.

I agree, the revenue is already paying back the costs. But we now a lot of reasons why ti's aren't (right now) the best options, you can just miner a restrict number of coins and make them profitable, with this variations on market and some bubbles, we could came from guys using gpu and making money to just dudes with gpu only for games. Pls consider this thought...

While there may be a reason to think this. I'd like to see some numbers.

They don't really work out considering your lack of hedge with any of the other cards.

I don't know how you're taking into account a fluctuating price of GPUs and variance between regions, I highly doubt you are.

Guys what you are not taking into account is that , either this is an "investment" or not. You cannot lollygag into a park and expect to make money right off the bat. If you want this from investment standpoint -then you have to actively manage everything , you cannot just turn a switch on and forget about it.

Consider this on June 12 I got my gaming rig and Nicehash used to give me estimates of 9-10$ a day and now it's lower than 6-7$

Now i'm mining Skein at 900 mhz avg , -I'm just doing this because eventually when things turn around I'll sell them - thinking of them as "investing" because if they are traded they will turn around and when they do I can sell them and make money since most automated miners- mine what's "hot" and you'd have to actively sell them during that "hot" time to be profitable or they can also drop in value.

Also looking at DGBBTC chart , it seems to me like a reversal should happen soon. Market closed higher than yesterday.

I am letting my Skein run and seriously other than "hope" of things turning around I have no clue since I've never looked into DGB or even BTC as a value proposition since even BTC is pegged to USD.

Also, I'd recommend waiting - AMD's new offerings are just around the corner , just be patient. I think it's called Vega Nova which will be better than 1080ti and lower in price.

I know , earlier in this thread I was told to do my own research but I'd like some experienced members to chime in and share their experience (it's ok, no need to share trade secrets) just experience lol

Uhhh the whole point of buying the hardware is the hedge so that if things turn south (which could happen) I can cut my losses...

IDK what makes you think we can't get in and out. I can get out whenever I want....? Assuming the value of my coins didn't crash so hard I didn't want to. Why wouldn't I be able to?

AMD can't even source the necessary materials (some form of dram) to make the GPUs. Even if they are gods gift to mining there are gonna be none for sale...

And even if you can, you'll probably be better off just reselling it fresh in the box for a quick profit and more cards sold at MRSP

I don't understand the point you are trying to make?

Is that response even to me?

All I'm saying for newcomers don't invest $5-6k of your hard earned money willy nilly into it , if you think this is easy money because from what i've seen so far it is not easy money.

I built a gaming PC and 1080ti was the only one which can play 4k games at 60-70 fps (smoothly) on ultra settings. I did not purchase the card for "mining" , it's just what I do when I'm not gaming. No one seems to have an answer but I doubt my card would last more than a year running at these fan speeds at +190 clock and 80% fan speed.

Here in North America, (don't know where you are from) I have yet to see a "not in stock" sign on AMD cards.

For newcomers I was just saying that , just be patient some new hardware is coming and it may be of equal performance to AMD at a lower cost.

Uhhh the whole point of buying the hardware is the hedge so that if things turn south (which could happen) I can cut my losses...

IDK what makes you think we can't get in and out. I can get out whenever I want....? Assuming the value of my coins didn't crash so hard I didn't want to. Why wouldn't I be able to?

AMD can't even source the necessary materials (some form of dram) to make the GPUs. Even if they are gods gift to mining there are gonna be none for sale...

And even if you can, you'll probably be better off just reselling it fresh in the box for a quick profit and more cards sold at MRSP

I don't understand the point you are trying to make?

Is that response even to me?

All I'm saying for newcomers don't invest $5-6k of your hard earned money willy nilly into it , if you think this is easy money because from what i've seen so far it is not easy money.

I built a gaming PC and 1080ti was the only one which can play 4k games at 60-70 fps (smoothly) on ultra settings. I did not purchase the card for "mining" , it's just what I do when I'm not gaming. No one seems to have an answer but I doubt my card would last more than a year running at these fan speeds at +190 clock and 80% fan speed.

Here in North America, (don't know where you are from) I have yet to see a "not in stock" sign on AMD cards.

For newcomers I was just saying that , just be patient some new hardware is coming and it may be of equal performance to AMD at a lower cost.

Some GPUs have lasted 3+ years mining 24/7 and are still going, although I'm not confident that the fans would all last that long if you run them at 80% or more. I try to run my fans at 60% or less if possible. With some models you can replace the fans, or even the entire cooler if need be, but that may or may not be worth it to everyone. On the other hand you could have GPUs die within a month if you push them too hard.

Uhhh the whole point of buying the hardware is the hedge so that if things turn south (which could happen) I can cut my losses...

IDK what makes you think we can't get in and out. I can get out whenever I want....? Assuming the value of my coins didn't crash so hard I didn't want to. Why wouldn't I be able to?

AMD can't even source the necessary materials (some form of dram) to make the GPUs. Even if they are gods gift to mining there are gonna be none for sale...

And even if you can, you'll probably be better off just reselling it fresh in the box for a quick profit and more cards sold at MRSP

I don't understand the point you are trying to make?

Is that response even to me?

All I'm saying for newcomers don't invest $5-6k of your hard earned money willy nilly into it , if you think this is easy money because from what i've seen so far it is not easy money.

I built a gaming PC and 1080ti was the only one which can play 4k games at 60-70 fps (smoothly) on ultra settings. I did not purchase the card for "mining" , it's just what I do when I'm not gaming. No one seems to have an answer but I doubt my card would last more than a year running at these fan speeds at +190 clock and 80% fan speed.

Here in North America, (don't know where you are from) I have yet to see a "not in stock" sign on AMD cards.

For newcomers I was just saying that , just be patient some new hardware is coming and it may be of equal performance to AMD at a lower cost.

I dont know where in the US you are but you can't find 470/480 And 570/580 cards.. AND isnt out of stock.. there plenty of 460 & 450s to go around, but no one wants those.

Uhhh the whole point of buying the hardware is the hedge so that if things turn south (which could happen) I can cut my losses...

IDK what makes you think we can't get in and out. I can get out whenever I want....? Assuming the value of my coins didn't crash so hard I didn't want to. Why wouldn't I be able to?

AMD can't even source the necessary materials (some form of dram) to make the GPUs. Even if they are gods gift to mining there are gonna be none for sale...

And even if you can, you'll probably be better off just reselling it fresh in the box for a quick profit and more cards sold at MRSP

I don't understand the point you are trying to make?

Is that response even to me?

All I'm saying for newcomers don't invest $5-6k of your hard earned money willy nilly into it , if you think this is easy money because from what i've seen so far it is not easy money.

I built a gaming PC and 1080ti was the only one which can play 4k games at 60-70 fps (smoothly) on ultra settings. I did not purchase the card for "mining" , it's just what I do when I'm not gaming. No one seems to have an answer but I doubt my card would last more than a year running at these fan speeds at +190 clock and 80% fan speed.

Here in North America, (don't know where you are from) I have yet to see a "not in stock" sign on AMD cards.

For newcomers I was just saying that , just be patient some new hardware is coming and it may be of equal performance to AMD at a lower cost.

Some GPUs have lasted 3+ years mining 24/7 and are still going, although I'm not confident that the fans would all last that long if you run them at 80% or more. I try to run my fans at 60% or less if possible. With some models you can replace the fans, or even the entire cooler if need be, but that may or may not be worth it to everyone. On the other hand you could have GPUs die within a month if you push them too hard.

Wow no one has pre ordered the 1k gpu that has 0 reviews out and unknown real world performance. SHocker

If it's worth while to buy, there were be none left. Gonna be a paper release

I agree with the view that we should not pay more than MSRP for the cards. One way to look at risk is called "value at risk". Taking the worst case scenario, how much money will you lose (example, crypto all crashing 80% tomorrow).

Those who went with 480/580 at $400 USD will find their cards worth $100. Even if their GPU can make $6 a day for 66 day ROI, their value at risk is 75% of their upfront cost.

Those who went with 1080ti at $700, but make $7 a day has a 100 day ROI. However if crypto crashes 80% tomorrow, their cards are worth $600 at least. That's only 14% of their upfront cost, value at risk is way lower.

If a person can put $10K value at risk. He can buy $71K worth of 1080tis, or he can buy $13.3K worth of 580s. For the same amount of money RISKED (not in upfront capital), he gets much much more hash.

After doing some calculation, including rig costs and estimating difficulty of resale, 1080ti are the best. 1070s has to $350 or less for me to consider. 1080tis do suffer a bit more in depreciation however.