I'm from Texas. I'd say a lot of them are also not even American citizens.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24760791

There is that.

Quoting: Carshy McCarsh

this is still the state of Sam Rayburn , Jim Wright, Ann Richards, Lloyd Bentsen and some dude name Lyndon Baines Johnson, I guess it were them there imported Yankees who put those folks in power to huh? derrrr..when I was a kid this was a firm democratic state so you little closet fag Rush Limbaugh Sean Hannity fan boys can suck my "libtard" dick, I don't take shit from you little redneck punks, never have, never will, that just ain't the way I was raised by my parents who cried the day JFK died while you fascist fucks would have been celebrating.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27515407

I believe JFK would not debase himself enough today to be identified with the Demokratic Party as it stands today.

Since you seem to be an old-timer, maybe you were around before the 1960's. Surely you have seen the usurpation of the Democratic Party by Marxists, yes?

If u hand over your guns there is no way in hell your going to survive the collapse.....

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1531425

don't die for nothing. what you going to do when 15 trained guys in battle gear show up at your front door demanding your weapons? what about the children? want them to get the randy weaver or waco treatment? better to live to fight another day.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10885887

How about take steps now to minimize the possibility of that happening?

You do have a good point there though- who is willing to sacrifice their family in order to stand for principles that will get them killed?

Tough choice you may be making for innocent lives that will be at risk.

If u hand over your guns there is no way in hell your going to survive the collapse.....

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1531425

don't die for nothing. what you going to do when 15 trained guys in battle gear show up at your front door demanding your weapons? what about the children? want them to get the randy weaver or waco treatment? better to live to fight another day.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10885887

How about take steps now to minimize the possibility of that happening?

You do have a good point there though- who is willing to sacrifice their family in order to stand for principles that will get them killed?

Tough choice you may be making for innocent lives that will be at risk.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28752025

I certainly don't advocate any offensive violence against anyone, but if anyone desires to tread the path of a martyr, they should really consider evacuating their family out of the country first.

That goes for any country, btw.

Anything less is careless and irresponsible. Don't sacrifice the lives of your family for your own personal political beliefs and your own personal Waterloo.

The "battlefield" is the place where the lead flies. If that's in your bedroom at 3AM in the morning, then your house is the battlefield. And the battlefield is no place for non-combatants.

If u hand over your guns there is no way in hell your going to survive the collapse.....

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1531425

don't die for nothing. what you going to do when 15 trained guys in battle gear show up at your front door demanding your weapons? what about the children? want them to get the randy weaver or waco treatment? better to live to fight another day.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10885887

One idea I've heard people talking about is to buy a cheap "drop" gun. Some police carry them. They're small and easily concealable, and can be "dropped" any time you find yourself in a sticky situation that requires a diversion or a scapegoat.

When the Gestapo shows up demanding your 'guns', tell them all you have is this one gun, and give the drop gun to them. It'll be a sacrificial diversion from your primary stash.

If you were unfortunate enough to have filed the proper paperwork and have submitted to background checks for some of your past firearm purchases, then you'll need to show them receipts and other supporting documents, like newspaper ads, where you advertised the sale of, and subsequently sold off, all your guns that they show in their master B@TF3 database (that doesn't exist.)

I'm from Montana. We're of the same mindset as Texans, but we don't have border drug problems. Our problem is all the outsiders coming in and wanting to change it into wherever they came from. It's running all the old folks out of their lakefront multi-generation owned land. Elected officials smell money so they jack up property taxes and the out-of-staters come and buy it up for summer homes. We're notorious for not warming up to outsiders for these reasons.

Then you've got both coasts trying to make environmental decisions shutting down our way of life- when we've been the stewards to preserve a balance of responsible harvesting of resources and wildlife, making it the great place it is. It's not like the old days of clear cutting and the Berkley Pit, but they think they know what's best for us bumpkins.

Montana is 1 of 24 states that allow amendments to our constitution and other legislation by petition. Once we had a bunch of crooked county officials sneaking in a bunch of fees, regs and policy. IE: all cars over 20 years old were classified as antique jacking up the registration fees. You could be hauling wood in the back of an old station wagon and have to pay it. We got enough petitioners, voted out all the unpopular stuff and they had to reverse/refund everything. Then we voted the assholes out next election. Cost the county a lot, but it was a valuable lesson to our "public servants." Other states just bitch about what the government is doing to them. We change it! We Montanans won't stand for a power grab. Let em try and impose gun control in our state!!

-A proud Montanan with roots going back to the 1860's Gold Rush! (Ol' Uncle Levi was in the crowd when they hung Henry Plummer!!)

It truly saddens me some of the hate I've seen on this thread towards Texas...

You guys do realize we are currently the only state in the USA that has a positive economy right now? Not only is our economy positive but we have many plans in motion to continue a positive environment. We are tripling our oil production. We are tripling our natural gas mining. Our army is getting modernized. We are rebuilding most of our major highways. Their is 100's of new housing developments. Businesses everywhere are moving their corporate offices here. The people here are actually very nice people except when you try to take their guns.

Our police are actually pretty good as well. They are tough fuckers but they are polite generally. I'm just saying don't think Texas is Red-Neck Haven anymore because it has evolved greatly.

It truly saddens me some of the hate I've seen on this thread towards Texas...

You guys do realize we are currently the only state in the USA that has a positive economy right now? Not only is our economy positive but we have many plans in motion to continue a positive environment. We are tripling our oil production. We are tripling our natural gas mining. Our army is getting modernized. We are rebuilding most of our major highways. Their is 100's of new housing developments. Businesses everywhere are moving their corporate offices here. The people here are actually very nice people except when you try to take their guns.

Our police are actually pretty good as well. They are tough fuckers but they are polite generally. I'm just saying don't think Texas is Red-Neck Haven anymore because it has evolved greatly.

Quoting: XSlyOneX

I agree with you totally!!! I love it here in Texas, and I just don't understand all the hostility towards us Texans... The only thing I can think of is that maybe they are jealous of all that we have here.

this is still the state of Sam Rayburn , Jim Wright, Ann Richards, Lloyd Bentsen and some dude name Lyndon Baines Johnson, I guess it were them there imported Yankees who put those folks in power to huh? derrrr..when I was a kid this was a firm democratic state so you little closet fag Rush Limbaugh Sean Hannity fan boys can suck my "libtard" dick, I don't take shit from you little redneck punks, never have, never will, that just ain't the way I was raised by my parents who cried the day JFK died while you fascist fucks would have been celebrating.

It truly saddens me some of the hate I've seen on this thread towards Texas...

You guys do realize we are currently the only state in the USA that has a positive economy right now? Not only is our economy positive but we have many plans in motion to continue a positive environment. We are tripling our oil production. We are tripling our natural gas mining. Our army is getting modernized. We are rebuilding most of our major highways. Their is 100's of new housing developments. Businesses everywhere are moving their corporate offices here. The people here are actually very nice people except when you try to take their guns.

Our police are actually pretty good as well. They are tough fuckers but they are polite generally. I'm just saying don't think Texas is Red-Neck Haven anymore because it has evolved greatly.

Quoting: XSlyOneX

I agree with you totally!!! I love it here in Texas, and I just don't understand all the hostility towards us Texans... The only thing I can think of is that maybe they are jealous of all that we have here.

Quoting: KenTX2011 26295520

It's jealousy, envy, and libtards being slapped in the face with the undeniable, repeatable fact that Democrat states running under Democrat governors implementing Democrat policies are unmitigated failures of epic, nation-ending proportions.

We are Texas. We are free, proud, productive, and take less shit per capita than any other group besides the Nazy SEALS.

this is still the state of Sam Rayburn , Jim Wright, Ann Richards, Lloyd Bentsen and some dude name Lyndon Baines Johnson, I guess it were them there imported Yankees who put those folks in power to huh? derrrr..when I was a kid this was a firm democratic state so you little closet fag Rush Limbaugh Sean Hannity fan boys can suck my "libtard" dick, I don't take shit from you little redneck punks, never have, never will, that just ain't the way I was raised by my parents who cried the day JFK died while you fascist fucks would have been celebrating.

I'm from Montana. We're of the same mindset as Texans, but we don't have border drug problems. Our problem is all the outsiders coming in and wanting to change it into wherever they came from. It's running all the old folks out of their lakefront multi-generation owned land. Elected officials smell money so they jack up property taxes and the out-of-staters come and buy it up for summer homes. We're notorious for not warming up to outsiders for these reasons.

Then you've got both coasts trying to make environmental decisions shutting down our way of life- when we've been the stewards to preserve a balance of responsible harvesting of resources and wildlife, making it the great place it is. It's not like the old days of clear cutting and the Berkley Pit, but they think they know what's best for us bumpkins.

Montana is 1 of 24 states that allow amendments to our constitution and other legislation by petition. Once we had a bunch of crooked county officials sneaking in a bunch of fees, regs and policy. IE: all cars over 20 years old were classified as antique jacking up the registration fees. You could be hauling wood in the back of an old station wagon and have to pay it. We got enough petitioners, voted out all the unpopular stuff and they had to reverse/refund everything. Then we voted the assholes out next election. Cost the county a lot, but it was a valuable lesson to our "public servants." Other states just bitch about what the government is doing to them. We change it! We Montanans won't stand for a power grab. Let em try and impose gun control in our state!!

-A proud Montanan with roots going back to the 1860's Gold Rush! (Ol' Uncle Levi was in the crowd when they hung Henry Plummer!!)

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15071850

Montana rocks!Montana, Idaho, Wyoming, and to a lesser degree Arizona are welcome to join Texas in United States 2.0

California, New York, Massachusetts, and the rest of you libtard shitholes are on your own. Pray for a quick death.

It truly saddens me some of the hate I've seen on this thread towards Texas...

You guys do realize we are currently the only state in the USA that has a positive economy right now? Not only is our economy positive but we have many plans in motion to continue a positive environment. We are tripling our oil production. We are tripling our natural gas mining. Our army is getting modernized. We are rebuilding most of our major highways. Their is 100's of new housing developments. Businesses everywhere are moving their corporate offices here. The people here are actually very nice people except when you try to take their guns.

Our police are actually pretty good as well. They are tough fuckers but they are polite generally. I'm just saying don't think Texas is Red-Neck Haven anymore because it has evolved greatly.

Quoting: XSlyOneX

I agree with you totally!!! I love it here in Texas, and I just don't understand all the hostility towards us Texans... The only thing I can think of is that maybe they are jealous of all that we have here.

Quoting: KenTX2011 26295520

It's jealousy, envy, and libtards being slapped in the face with the undeniable, repeatable fact that Democrat states running under Democrat governors implementing Democrat policies are unmitigated failures of epic, nation-ending proportions.

We are Texas. We are free, proud, productive, and take less shit per capita than any other group besides the Nazy SEALS.

Quoting: Carshy McCarsh

So true. It does seem that every Democraptic state is a crap hole. We really don't take any crap from anyone here.And what's funny to me is, here there alot of gun owners, but the guns are mostly for protection and hunting. Most here aren't buying the guns to go out and kill someone. Seems like in most of the Democraptic states, people buy guns to go out and kill someone, and probably didn't buy the gun legally either. Gun or not, I will not go down without a fight. I will protect my family no matter what.

I honestly hope it's more than just Texas... We will not win without others joining the cause of upholding our Constitution!

Quoting: XSlyOneX

Joining the cause? Winners and losers? You're a shill.

Why are you playing both sides of this argument?

First you said you thought any kind of rebellion would be incited by the government (which is probably true), then you turn around and tell people to join the staged cause?

What the hell is wrong with you?

And "direct democracy" doesn't mean anything if the sheep voting directly are influenced by billions of dollars worth of marketing and going with the trend... hmm... kinda like NOW.

You're either a paid shill or so fucking retarded you don't even know you're shilling. Either way, decide what it is you want and quit waiting for other people to make decisions for you so your conformist ass can go with the "majority" or wherever you think you're not going to get your ass handed to you.

People like you with no thoughts of their own can only hide behind the decisions of others for so long. Without others to follow, you're lost.

I'm from Montana. We're of the same mindset as Texans, but we don't have border drug problems. Our problem is all the outsiders coming in and wanting to change it into wherever they came from. It's running all the old folks out of their lakefront multi-generation owned land. Elected officials smell money so they jack up property taxes and the out-of-staters come and buy it up for summer homes. We're notorious for not warming up to outsiders for these reasons.

Then you've got both coasts trying to make environmental decisions shutting down our way of life- when we've been the stewards to preserve a balance of responsible harvesting of resources and wildlife, making it the great place it is. It's not like the old days of clear cutting and the Berkley Pit, but they think they know what's best for us bumpkins.

Montana is 1 of 24 states that allow amendments to our constitution and other legislation by petition. Once we had a bunch of crooked county officials sneaking in a bunch of fees, regs and policy. IE: all cars over 20 years old were classified as antique jacking up the registration fees. You could be hauling wood in the back of an old station wagon and have to pay it. We got enough petitioners, voted out all the unpopular stuff and they had to reverse/refund everything. Then we voted the assholes out next election. Cost the county a lot, but it was a valuable lesson to our "public servants." Other states just bitch about what the government is doing to them. We change it! We Montanans won't stand for a power grab. Let em try and impose gun control in our state!!

-A proud Montanan with roots going back to the 1860's Gold Rush! (Ol' Uncle Levi was in the crowd when they hung Henry Plummer!!)

I think the split is less about geography than it is demographics. I live in a northern suburb of Pittsburgh, and once you get outside the liberal enclaves where the universities are and what not, I can tell you there are many people here angry and worried about what is happening.

Most of Pennsylvania west of the Susquehanna River feels the same way, as this is country where most school districts have off for the first day of hunting season. Much of it is poor, but many rely on coal or natural gas jobs, and remember manufacturing, and did not like and do not trust Obama.

Moreover, they want to be left alone, from Harrisburg and it's Philadelphia thugs, and Washington. So, should things develop, there'll be lots of rural places not just in this state, but in many places that are sympathetic.

So Texas wouldn't be alone. The sad thing about these secession movements is that no one really wants to break up the United States, what they want is to restore it to its foundations and break up this government of bureaucrats and liars from both sides.