Chairman of the Democratic National Committee Tom Perez dodged the question of whether or not the the U.S. should abolish ICE Friday on MSNBC.

“There’s been calls to end, obviously the family separation policy,” said host Chris Hayes. “There have also been calls to abolish ICE. There’s legislation that’s been introduced by members of Congress, some Democratic Senators have endorsed that position as others, do you think we should abolish ICE?”