I like to think that beyond all the sophistry and grand ideals running in her head that the base reason she didn't approve of 8man's solution to the problem was pretty simple: she was concerned like Yui was

>>124152329I just can't get it, why are they still mad at him and things are awkward? I thought it was because they don't like it when he hurts himself but that's no reason to be mad and besides, some Yuifags seems to think Yui was going to confess or some bullshit and he ruined it. The anime isn't fun anymore, it's just passive aggressive melodrama now.

>>124152594Take place in the same season, winter.We are entering February now in the novel so winter isn't over yet. FEEL staff might have gotten wind of the ending from the author and add it to foreshadow the drama that is to come.

It's not worth taking the time to talk against bait material.Yukino is autistic, we all know that.Yui is so dense that even a blackhole would fear her, we all also know that.Iroha wears a mask to everyone but to 8man, we know that too.

Can someone like seriously explain to me what is wrong with 8man methods and all this drama? I thought they were mad that he is always hurt in the process of helping others? Why is that a reason to act like a dick to him? To make things even harder?

>>1241535108man doesn't have any problems to begin with. He was drafted to the club and he is servicing accordingly to the duties of the club. With how other characters are acting that forces 8man hand. Of course it is going to be one sided.

>>124153841I try to like you, Yui. It's just that you remind me too much of those airheaded bimbos in school that say, "Like" and "OMG" way too much and can only talk about drama, gossip or what shit show they saw on TV last night.

>>124154151>>124153939His problems he already coped with his own mechanism. He learned from them and carried on. Others may not accept his choices of coping with them though. He is scarred by them but they are not consuming him. What is exacerbating the problem is the club itself. The club is dedicated to fixing problems of students. The students however want problems fixed so that everyone is happy. 8man knowing how this is bs. He chooses to be the scapegoat so that others can live in their bubble. It solves the problem but it damages his already set pariah status.

If he wasn't recruited for the club, he wouldn't be known as the guy who ruined the School Festival, or scare little children, or become tobe's misconception of a rival.

>>124154540I don't get the hate. He and Haruno did nothing wrong. 8man needs to speak up against orimoto. Thoughtless teasing is a normal occurrence, most people don't realize that they are hurtful. Sauce is me.

>>124154807I am unsure what you are getting at but.He wasn't asked to do so personally but as duty of the club he was drafted for. He gets results for the club. People hate his answers but they still come to him because it works. If people had their own answers why bother asking the club?

>>124152520Not a Yuifag yet she was cute in this episode while she may not understand the Hachikino tension, I like how Yui was worried for Hachiman when they both was walking in the hallway, she had a pleadingly look of desperation, like she was thinking "Please, don't go. Stay." It is good to see another layer of Yui being peel'd off gradually.

>>124154480Except you have to go a little deeper here. He wasn't happy with the way he was before because why else would he even go to the club, or put himself on the line for any of those things?

He mentions in S1 a throwaway line about when girls REALLY don't want to do something, there's no grumbling or pussyfooting around, it's just the flat blank stare of "fuck off". If he really didn't want on some level to take part in the whole companionship and helping others and people he could talk to part of the club, he would've just told sensei to fuck off and we'd never have had a story.

Not to mention Komachi's right when she says any time he's depressed or lying to himself he goes on grand speeches about humanity and society in order to ignore the real problem. Any time he talks about the old days before the service club he goes on giant dumb rants about being a bear and how everything is wrong with the world.

A lot of what's interesting about this show is finding out where 8man is lying to himself.

>>124155260Best ending is everyone gets a good chunk of character development, they have a nice heartfelt talk right after graduation thanking each other for helping them through their teenage bullshit, and then they all go their separate ways.and then sensei jumps 8man in the parking lot for some long-awaited desperate rough sex

>>124155471The animation lacks something which you would gradually see in other animu. This one seems just plain drawn without any impact at all. I hated the whole komachi scene (especially since her voice has been changed) where there was a huge lack of emotions.

>haruno loves her little sister more than anything in the world>she's the most perceptive character in the novels>she's well aware that most of her sister's pain comes from trying to compare herself to haruno>this is why she's wants her to do things like become student council president, because that would be a decision she made on her own not in order to chase after haruno's coattailsalso,>haruno is very fond of 8man because she knows he's close to yukino>at the very least he can make yukino happy and at best serve as a bridge to mend her relationship with her sisterharuno acts the way she does because>all of the expectations yukino has are multiplied 10 fold for haruno>her entire life is boring tedium>the one person who gave her fulfillment now treats her coldly>she feels lonely and helplesstl;dr haruno a good nee-san, she dindu nuffin

>>124155689Not that she goes to monotone mode, but the whole drama build up in the animation was horrible. You couldn't actually feel any hatred or anything similar coming to it. While in the LN you could, here it was like "oh, ok it happened lol"

>>124153902It should really have given you a fresh look at yourself. This is why autists like you are destined to be miserable their entire lives. When something bad happens you never take responsibility, always finding some excuse as to why its not your fault.

>People still expect nice things to happen>They can't see 8man will suffer his greatest blowout ever because of IrohaIt has happened before and it will happen again. Except this time 8man might not make it back in one piece.

>>124152679Except Sensei is a bitch too, and if he would ever say something like that to her she would just beat the shit of him and threaten him again with failing a year. He's basically a prisoner. With Stockholm's Syndrome.

I can't into relationships and I have no fucking idea why Yukinon and Yui were and still mad at 8man for 2 weeks. From my point he did nothing wrong and everything resulted itself. I also don't their stupid crap about superficial something.

>What I wished for probably wasn’t a relationship that was conventional in society. It was probably something where you dragged down the hand you took along with you to the sea bed. It was a terribly self-centered sentiment.

>>124155895she is probably genuinely interested in orimoto because the idea of 8man liking someone is so far out of left fieldshe also defended him, though it may not seem like itharuno doesn't react to things directly she's misdirects themso when orimoto says "no way, she's out of your league right?" haruno goes into the spiel about "what are you to me? a little brother? why don't we just go with girlfriend"that's haruno's way of saying "this person actually is important to me, so kindly fuck off"

>>124156372She won't. She might not be the one who will directly destroy him, but she will be heavily involved. Either way, it will happen through her and because of her.Just wait.There is no healing to come from this. Only suffering and pain.

>>124156737Nope. We move into Yukinoshit family issues, 8man resolves it without getting horribly raped, 8man's finest hour etc, and then it's Irohacentric return to annihilation resulting in either Yukino/Yui end or the better option which is Totsuka end.

>>124156731Nah, I think he suffered more being ignored.Trust me, I got 2 siblings, and when we still lived together and 1 of us got troubles, the other 2 would pester him/her to speak because we knew that just talking about the problem would've been a big help.

>>124157118 Orimoto is just normal. Why should she pity such a looser as Hikigaya? It's more honest and rightful way not to pretend that shit is not stinks, but to say clarly "You are stinky shit", and then probably boy may changes.

But the thing i what i mean is if you know that 8man didn't take it well being rejected and probably hurt him like she probably knew, you wouldn't just giggle like it's nothing unless you're trying to be mean.

>>124157893 Well, trace of your thoughs is correct. But could you put yourself in Kaori's shoes? Why should she think about how Hikigaya felt about all of this? Naturally she just presumed that he is free from those memories just like herself, she doesn't care about him, so in turn she probably thinks that he doesn't care about her either. And even if she may think that he was hurt, why should she cares about some person who is not even her friend?

That is what I mean when talking about "normal". Naturally, people doesn't care about people they really don't care about, lol.

>>124158359 No, she is just filthy intruder. I don't know why the two remaining girls won't use some cheap girlish tricks to drove her out. Well, probably they just doesn't care if she after 8man or not. In the end they both have each other.

>>124153634>Can someone like seriously explain to me what is wrong with 8man methods and all this drama?8man methods like the fake confession is only a temporary solution as he avoid the situation, I can't recollect Yukino words yet I believe that is what she said.

Whereas Yukino methods are long term solutions.

>I thought they were mad that he is always hurt in the process of helping others?Sure, Sensei and Yui are concerned yet with Yukino that is ambiguous, in my eyes.

>Why is that a reason to act like a dick to him?8man will eventually lose everyone and he'll continue to be a perpetual loner as he make everyone he helps hate me so he doesn't get hurt himself. And the fact, he want to act normal as if nothing happen but Yukino resent superficiality, friends and relationships that are for show.

So, episodes 1 and 2 of season 2 were fucking garbage. I made a point to explicitly list their fuckton of faults in their threads. Hell, to the point I got warned for rule #6 by some butthurt mod in episode 1.

But I just finished episode 3 and, holy fuck, how can the quality of the direction jump so much? The character design was still terrible for the show, but other than that, it was fantastic. It was very similar to the best episodes in S1.

The cringing was everpresent. The characters were properly explored. The direction added the necessary nuances to make the cynicism inherent to the novel a clear aspect of the episode. It was OreGaIru, like it should be.

Why couldn't they do the same for episode 2?

Also, what was the reason for such a leap in direction quality? The episode director?

Am I supposed to be treating her as if she's performing equally to Hachiman then? I'm okay with them being mad at him because I can see why his behaviour would upset you, but I'm getting tired of everyone acting like their methods are equal.

I mean I enjoy seeing Hachiman suffer, but I'd rather he not be the only one to get called out on his shit.

>>124159513sensei's evaluation of them in ep 3 this season is pretty spot-on, actually. In terms of results 8man has done more but most of his solutions are temporary and fail to consider long-term effects. While Yukino's plans are either impractical or take a long while to kick in, they (ideally) should help the person out in the long run.

The only cases where 8man undoubtedly succeeds are the ones where he takes steps to ensure the person will succeed in the long term. That's what, the Saki case, possibly the Sagami case? I'm still not sure if the Hayama case counts, although technically he achieves the real objective of getting Miura a bit closer to Hayama

>>124159611>boo hoo my beautiful confession sceneIt was shit. Shit. And don't get me started on the character design.

I said it last week and I'll say it again: In episodes 1 and 2, Feel had turned OreGaIru into just another run-off-the-mill harem with their garbage direction that doesn't consider the important negative nuances in the light novel, unlike S1.

But they did a fantastic job with episode 3. It was like watching an episode of S1, but with Index character designs.

>>124159474>what was the reasonepisode 3 marks the start of a new arc, where everything begins to fall apart for the club, along with the sound of incoming suffering train.Also>why is it that episode 1 and 2 sucked while ep 3 is good?You people just enjoy the suffering of poor 8man, aren't you? You should feel ashamed.

>>124159872>You people just enjoy the suffering of poor 8man, aren't you?Well, OreGaIru HAS to be cringy. The LN is constantly cringy. S1 was constantly cringy too. But the first two episodes of s2 were not cringy even though they were based on one of the most cringiest LN volumes.

Episode 3 adapted the most emotion-filled scenes in the best way possible. With the corerct camera angles showing the correct expressions. The cynicism. The spaghetti. Something that episodes 1 and 2 absolutely lacked.

It was a superb adaptation, again, very reminiscent of s1. If only the character design wasn't so generic...

Spoonfeeding time.As of the end of vol 10, it's pretty clear that Yukino is in love with 8man but she's too autistic to realise that.They have a great scene together in the nurse office and stuff. However we later find out that Yukino is not really trusting 8man, but rather doing something worse - as stated by Haruno in the end of the volume.

>>124160066Which part of >>124159611 made you think someone is interested in your lovely opinions you absolute fucking retard?Which part of that post in any way implies that poster liked it and the beautiful confession scene too?

>>124160259>no one has any idea why you're so buttblastedI was buttblasted during episodes 1 and 2 because Feel had ruined a pretty nice, original show with extremely lackluster direction. Seriously, the confession scene was butchered to the point it felt like harem anime #45709654 instead of OreGaIru. And something that really annoyed me last week was how many newfags were praising it so much when it was simply so generic, while it ruined the source so much.

But yeah, I went in depth with that subject last week, so let's drop it. After all, it looks like they're back on track after this episode.

>all you've done is agree with yourselfOnly ONE counterargument has been given to me ITT: this one >>124159872

>>124160530>discussionYour discussion looks like this so far:>You: opinion opinion>Poster1: tl;dr>Poster2: gb2leddit>You: >>Poster2 Opinion opinion opinion you are so right, me>Poster3: >butthurt>You: >>Poster3 opinion opinion opinion sore butt opinion opinionIf this is a discussion to you then I really have no words.

Both Yui and Yukino still don't understand shit about the 8man. They've already seen numerous times how he is still affected by past traumas, like he's an army vet or something. It's so obvious that what he did at the end of episode 2/novel 7 is not something he pondered about or planned, it was something random and dictated by emotions. He didn't all of that for Hayama's group or Ebina or Tobe, he did that because he saw himself in Tobe, and he acted on that, trying to stop something that already happened to happen yet again. Fuck, at least Yukino should've perceived something, since he did the same thing for her just a few weeks before. I thought they were on the same wavelength, but they're not. That's why since volume 9 all my hopes are focused only on Iroha.

>>124160783Faggots with shit taste that don't like to hear about people disliking the generic first two episodes of this season, because that would reinforce the fact that they have shit taste, that they like generic garbage. So they start using non-sequitors.

Though I guess it's so prevalent due to daytime /a/. It was still a bit prevalent in the night-time OreGaIru threads I went to during the last two weeks, but I went to bed early yesterday, so it can't be helped.

>>124160906Sure Tobe's the main reason but he'a not all of it. He was beginning to get comfortable with the club so he sympathized with their (hayama, ebina, miura) wish to preserve theirs. He felt sorry for Tobe for being unaware of what he was losing.

With her stare still directed at the window, Isshiki spoke while looking down on the city.“…I mean, what else could I do? I was all excited and stuff.”“That’s surprising. I thought you weren’t the type of person to get pushed around by the atmosphere like that.”When I told her, Isshiki’s face that was reflected on the window turned into a small smile.“I’m surprised too. I thought it was going to be a lot stiffer too.”“…Yeah, pretending to have a mind full of love makes you pretty clever or something.”As I tried to continue talking, Isshiki suddenly turned her head and interrupted me.“I wasn’t talking about myself… I was talking about senpai.”“Ha?”

>>124161437Yup suffering is certain. While I can still like Iroha despite sucking Hayato's D I think she's just a trigger for Yui and Yukino, and when the things start to get busy, one of them is dying for sure. I'm bookmarking this post number, gonna bring it back in few years.

>>124161676I kind of meant as more than just a plot device. Two-thirds of the cast are one note characters that served the exact same role you described. Is she basically never going to be any more important than the trap or the Otaku or the delinquent looking girl?