Ancient Aliens Debunked?

Why do theories have to be pissing matches? There are things about the AA theory that are way out there, and there are things about the accepted
theories that are most believed today that are way out there. Why does either have to be 100% correct? Why can it not be a mix of the two?

Now I'm not one to say I have studied a lot into the AA theory, but on thing that they brought up peaked my interest. I was a granite fabricator and
I did things not only like counter tops, but columns, sculptures, pyramids and waves, so when look at a place like puma punku, and look at the
precision at their stone work, something doesnt make sense with our current level of understanding.

Stone masons from on making a 90 degree inside corner, they dislike doing it in a counter top and it is always very noticeable and looks like garbage,
and we have a plethora of tools to use. Now to inset a box or rectangle shape in a large chunk of granite is damn near impossible, with the tools we
have now. These people did it long before then, and HAD to use diamond tools, nothing else does anything to granite, and made 90 degree intersecting
corners.

This is almost impossible with the current level of technology nowadays.

Now, do I think it was aliens? I have no idea, but I know what they did is amazing and hard at today's standards, and a couple people with only sand
at their disposal where not the ones that did this. There were diamond tools involved and precision works done, more precise than our CNC machines of
today.

I am mostly fascinated (and convinced) by the translations of the Enki Tablets.

This is the story of Humans being created. It matches VERY closely with The Terra Papers (linked in my sig). Though the vector to Human creation
differs between the Sumerian writings and The Terra Papers, the decription of Us being created is virtually identical...

I think most people know to take what you see on the history channel with a grain of salt, also you say certain monuments are man made they don't
argue that in the show simply suggest that certain ideas, motives, and possibly certain technologies may have been given or shown to the ancients.Just
a thought.

Who did the translation? Was it a mainstream historian or someone with a presupposition to AAH?

I've actually read the Terra Papers before but I see no reason to believe that it's true. For one thing it plays some pretty silly linguistic
tricks, twisting names of alien races into words in English, latin, ancient Egyptian etc. For instance the SSS-T are said to be the source for Hitlers
SS. We have a pretty firm grasp of how both linguistic and biological evolution work, no evidence for any of these alien empires mentioned in the
Terra Papers exists.

And I am sure another "Good" Article could show that Isaac Koi was a Jewish, Nazi Cross dresser!

To some Isaac's article is a simple misunderstanding of things, while to others it is incontrovertible proof!

Everyone is entitled to create an article of what they believe and why they believe it, but one man's interpretation should not degrade the works of
many many people who have spent their life time on such things. If you believe that Ancient Aliens did it, good, there is circumstantial proof to
verify that. If you don't I am sure you can find your proof against it just as easily.

Someone once said that if you go out looking for something, your bound to find it. But the fact remains:

WITHOUT PHYSICAL TANGIBLE EVIDENCE THERE IS NO 'PROOF'!!

And without proof, no matter how long your article is, no matter how many scientific words you throw here or there, no matter how many people BELIEVE
it, it is still, an uninformed, intelligent theory.

Proving each other wrong will not solve anything, instead we should work hard to prove any and all theories, for even the craziest thing we can
imagine today, will be as common place as a toothbrush tomorrow.

I see the Ancient Alien theory as a viable, realistic and logical theory of how our planet and civilization has developed both technologically,
spiritually and biologically.

And there. I am closing myself from this thread, Do not attack, simply say if you agree or disagree because I will not waste all responding to the
same circular reasoning.

As far as the Pre Incan "flying machine", the odd thing about them is that their wings are in a spot that you cannot find in nature, not even in
flying fish. It intrigues me for sure.

Not saying it's alien, but it certainly would change the world as we know it.

If you remember back to Plato's Atlantis mythologies, he said they were an advanced culture and society. While large sections of the globe remained
primitive, the United States became very advanced within a 300 year period. When you look at places such as Iraq, Egypt, and Palestine, you have to
ask yourself why they didn't create the computer. Since those societies have been around for more than two thousand years, why have they not advanced
in science, math, architecture, etc..?

Where am I going?

Since the United States was able to become powerful, within a 300 year period, could another human based civilization evolve earlier in our human
existence? Could those flying mechanisms be from an advance society, which ended up blowing itself up over 10,000 to 12,000 years ago?

Was Atlantis real? Were ancient ufo sightings caused by their technological revolution, and older societies just so happen to catch glimpses?

Other words, those ufos were created by an advanced human society, and their technology was lost due to mistakes, social division, and self
destruction.

I'm neither part of the scientific community or religious though do my best to stay informed about a great many subjects. The main reason I attempted
to debunk the video is that it was posted as evidence for an op here. I told the OP I
could probably debunk the entire video and decided that when I got some spare time I'd make my own thread on the subject.

These aren't just MY opinions, these are the opinions of anyone looking at AAH with a critical skeptical eye. The fact of the matter is I don't need
to present counter-evidence of any kind because I'm taking up the default position of disbelief, the mainstream position that these things they call
evidence of aliens are man-made. They are the ones holding burden of proof, all I have to do is cast doubt on the veracity of their claims and show
the flaws in their logic.

lol......... so you can logically say that there is proof aliens came to earth centuries ago? I'm pretty sure there isn't. Anyone with a mind of
their own wouldn't believe such garbage. You have to have one gigantic basket of faith to even somewhat believe in this.

The world needs more logic filled, critical thinking minds. To perpetuate myths in this modern age is just sad. Ancient aliens is nothing more but a
myth. You might as well believe in Thor and Zeus.

Originally posted by mac420
First of all I will not be reeled in to a losing battle (not about facts, just sheer number of posts) This is what I will say and I will be
done.

If you have the facts on your side, it does not matter how many posts there are in opposition. However, i looks like you decided to stay after all; I
am glad.

Originally posted by mac420
Nor Can you disprove anything based on your interpretation of data.

Completely untrue. There simply is no data on the part of the ancient astronaut apologists, at least no data they have not subjected to gross
misinterpretation, or invented whole-cloth, or absolute ignorance.

Originally posted by mac420
You don't believe what I believe? HERETIC! BLASPHEMER! EVIL! WRONG!

What thread are you reading? That isn't happening here. However, I understand your desire and need to portray it as such. Instead of wanting to
discuss facts and evidence, you want to discuss anything else, in order to insulate your beliefs.

Originally posted by mac420
The burden of proof is on all of us to come to a definitive conclusion, not stomp on any theory that battles against what we think we know is
true.

That is quite a contradictory statement. If you have evidence to support a conclusion, it is your duty to battle untruths.

Originally posted by mac420
The star is Sirius B, which is so far from Earth it is invisible to the naked eye. Yet these cultures had detailed knowledge of it.

As someone mentioned earlier, IssacKoi thoroughly debunked this.

Originally posted by mac420
if you were a General, would you take your 5 men into a battle against 5000 enemy soldiers? (not that your my enemy, but its an analogy)

Yes, if I had the equipment and training (facts and evidence) and the enemy soldiers had neither or simply tried to want to dismiss my ability to use
the weapons (not having facts or evidence and the use of logical fallacies). One missile can kill millions.

The logical explanation is that these things are man-made not alien made. I did offer logical explanations for quite a few of the artifacts,
paintings, etc. Such as the so-called airplane idol which looks a lot like a fish including the up-right tail, eyes and what looks like gills. In the
end though it's more about finding the flaws in THEIR logic than producing my own arguments to explain these ancient mysteries. After all many of
these things are still mysteries to this day, the point is that filling in that mystery with aliens requires a logical fallacy.

Thank you for proving that people with no argument like to nit-pick everything, I know this for a fact being as I was once a highly devoted Christian
and no matter what anyone would tell me I would take a few things and try to turn the argument over on itself.

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