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Do you guys experience Dom-Tert loops? In your case, that would be Fe-Se. What would that look like? I am well-acquainted with INFP Fi-Si loops or INFJ Ni-Ti loops, so I assume each kind has their own variety.

Fidela, I've seen several threads about ENFJ internal loops. We experience some internal perpetual loop sometimes. I've noticed I get in modes analyzing the daylights out of myself, compartmentalizing, and telling myself to do certain things... and it drags me down. (heavily Ni+Ti loop?) To break from this world I have to "do" things externally. So it doesn't seem like an Fe-Se loop.

Last edited by nynesneg; 10-03-2010 at 04:19 PM.

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Those who are content being normal lack the depth and passion to rise above mediocracy.
To push beyond their natural abilities and create a reality from their dreams.

I was actually thinking about that when I wrote that. I guess what I was thinking was that some people are so forced in how they present themselves that it doesn't seem natural. If you really are who you say you are then you don't have to constantly prove to others that you are what you say you are. That's my philosophy. Many ENFJs are insanely nice and friendly but the ones who are genuinely so aren't doing it just to convince to others that they are "nice" or "friendly". People who do things primarily to prove themselves to others are people who I consider "fake". Basically, I think that people who try too hard are overcompensating for a real or perceived deficit. For example, i have noticed that the so-called "know it alls" in my classes aren't usually the brightest bulb in the class but they talk, talk, and talk to PROVE to people how freaking smart they are...

Oh I see!!.. I think you'll like this motivation poster I made the other day

Fidela, I've seen several threads about ENFJ internal loops. We experience some internal perpetual loop sometimes. I've noticed I get in modes analyzing the daylights out of myself, compartmentalizing, and telling myself to do certain things... and it drags me down. (heavily Ni+Ti loop?) To break from this world I have to "do" things eternally. So it doesn't seem like an Fe-Se loop.

Agreed so hard. I've been pimping out the Form of the Inferior threads lately (all of which can be found in the personality matrices subforum). The one for EFJs describes it well.
I was fairly recently paralyzed by the Ni-Ti demons for a while. Se just would not kick in. It was a bitch of a time.
I don't even know what an Fe-Se loop would look like. I'd need examples from personal experience.

Hang on traveling woman - Don't sacrifice your plan
Cause it will come back to you - Before you lose it on the man

The internal loops are awful. I was in one for a few years, off and on. I think if you have read some of my more negative posts, there is the Ni-Ti loop for you. Paranoia and over-analysis... fun times.

Fidelia, in answer to the question you asked me (ages ago) about Fe-Se loops - I have two stress modes -- Fe-Se looping and Ni-Ti looping. Though my Fe-Ni axis is balanced, my primary modus operandi is Fe, and when I'm stressed, my first response is to move. To get up and walk. To physically engage myself. I have to change something, alter it somehow in the broadest sense of the meaning. It could be my body, it could be a project, it could be making my environment less hostile (I've been known to go through the house with a cup of soapy water and a toothbrush scrubbing marks off the walls). I used to constantly change my appearance - hot pink hair, mohawk, going abruptly from waist-length hair to something barely touching my shoulders to a shaved head, wild earrings, clothes as varied as cowboy to cyber punk. I wanted to jar myself, jar the people around me, create a ripple, force us ALL to view me through different eyes. It was the only way to escape the prison. Taking the outside world in hand and making *IT* observe.

EDIT: I've long used my Fe-Se loop to determine who can "take" me and who can't, especially men. It's been a nearly foolproof way of gauging who really sees me for what I am in all of my incarnations. I recall my ISFP friend telling me recently that he'd never seen a more fitting and flattering style on me than a mohawk. He knows me well enough to understand that the style was "me" and not a statement. My ISTP best friend would always react to something new and bold with praise and invested observations. I can trust people like that. I used to like to push boundaries around with my ENTP ex - I'd show up "new" and I'd watch him respond. It was always a visceral moment. It ranged from "unexpected" to "unexpected turn-on".

Summary: No one puts Baby in a corner. Mind my Fe-Se.

If for whatever unfortunate reason I can't exorcise the energy, my Ni-Ti kicks in to tear it apart and attempt to explain why the exorcism didn't occur or wasn't successful, like two doctors arguing over a patient's bed. My Ni starts spidering everything trying to divine the "truth" in the "big picture" from crumbs of data. I get stuck in there like you wouldn't believe.

It's like dialectic model for me. At one extreme, Ni-Ti makes me go into analysis paralysis where I get trapped inside of myself and go down a dark scary alley with no light at the end. At the other extreme, Fe-Se makes me go into an action intensive mode where I make decisions in the heat of the moment and don't think things through. The end goal is to get anything and everything done. Damn those who lie in my path....they will be bulldozed. It's an interesting mixture of playing the victim and being the aggressor. Through the process of stress, I am trying to get to the mean.

It's like dialectic model for me. At one extreme, Ni-Ti makes me go into analysis paralysis where I get trapped inside of myself and go down a dark scary alley with no light at the end. At the other extreme, Fe-Se makes me go into an action intensive mode where I make decisions in the heat of the moment and don't think things through. The end goal is to get anything and everything done. Damn those who lie in my path....they will be bulldozed. It's an interesting mixture of playing the victim and being the aggressor. Through the process of stress, I am trying to get to the mean.

Yes, anyone who can get me calm or cut through the static is A+ in my book. I live in a high state, even when I'm totally quiet and saying nothing. One of my ENTP friends told me once that I was like a coiled spring (he was being complimentary, but it made me wonder about myself). Just today, my sister was describing me to someone as a brilliant, moody, creative person. (Oh YOU ) She's by far the more level-headed, or shall I say, less excitable, of the two of us.

I liked having my INTJ bff around because he had a way of reflecting my plan of action mode back to me with clarifications attached. We'd bounce that stuff off one another in a sort of rapid fire way. I guess I knew deep down that if I couldn't think through something to my satisfaction that he would find my mistakes or create a plan I would be at ease with. It's nice to know someone you don't have to always consult with to depend on.

I find all sorts of types to be calming. My ENFP sister for example. I don't know how I ever would have navigated the real world without her. My ENTJ bff helped me to not be afraid of my own body. My ESFP bff grounds me and acts as a very badly needed comforting presence when I can't calm myself in the physical realm.

My Se is weak. It acts on me *to* act, but I need help channeling it, which I've learned on my own, developing it. My Ni is extremely strong and causes me to be up in the air all the time. It's something I'm ashamed of sometimes. I feel like this unreachable, immaterial, volatile thing - like a souped-up 427 dropped into a Ford Escort.