RE: post #150...... It is stated. What is to argue with? Moses declared it a rod, and not a snake to turn into a stiff snake, and back into a hungry one! I wonder what / where that person's source was, anyway! Hmmmm! I would think that if it had been a snake in his hand he would have answered God accordingly! There will always be nay-sayers, eh, RnMom? So what "trick" was it that turned the water to blood? Someone killed a dinasour upstream? and then went around adding dye #4 to everyone else's drinking water? ::giggle:: sorry, but that really was an absurd attempt to explain it away. (re. snake / rod) If they want to believe it, it is, of course their choice! God has given them free will.

They have the free will to do as they will do..they have the right to ascribe the things of God to Satan..They have the right to deny God. And God has some rights too:>)

Matthew 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

2 Timothy 2:12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

2 Timothy 3 4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

2 Peter 2:1 2 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

Please excuse my long absence from this thread. But now that the shills are through, here's some documentation for my assertions. The following excerpts come from several reports by Dr. John Coleman, former MI6 agent in the service of Her Majesty the Queen. This comes from his 1997 "Satanism Series", and first shows how America's schools were attacked:

"In this, the second part of my new report on Satanism, I hope to fill in more details of the savage cult of Satan-worship which has overtaken this country as well as [a] number of other countries in Europe and Latin America.

"I attribute the rise of Satan-worship in the U.S. to the time when prayer and religious observances were banned from schools by the Supreme Court, notably by those judges whom Roosevelt packed the Court's benches with, chief among whom was Justice Hugo Lafayette Black

"PRAYER AND BIBLE READING WERE ALWAYS PART AND PARCEL OF PUBLIC SCHOOL LIFE. That is until 1962, when the "Engel" and 1963 Everson vs. Board of Education majority decision was written by Justice Hugo Black, one of the most biased anti-Christian judges ever to disgrace the bench of the Supreme Court.

" Black's whole reasoning was an epitome of shallow legal precedents and hatred of Christianity, which he frequently expressed in a vocal parody of the Christian hymn, 'What a wonderful change in my life has been wrought, since Jesus came into my heart.'

"The Hugo Black version, with which he regaled his fellow anti-Christian judges by singing it through his nose, went like this: 'How tedious and tasteless the hours when Jesus came into my life.'

This information came from his son, Hugo Jr., whom he ordered to burn a selected portion of his papers after his death, the one and only time that parts of a Supreme Court Judge's papers were willfully destroyed. According to his son, 'practically the first thing Daddy wanted me to do once he was installed in [the] hospital, was to go out and burn certain papers of his.' One wonders why Black was so anxious about his papers? For further details of the anti-Christian character of Justice Hugo Black, I recommend the book 'My Father, a Remembrance' by Hugo Black Jr

"Black did more to turn Christian America toward Satanism than any other legal figure in history. Careful research on my part shows that since he ordered prayers and Bible reading removed from school curricula, school misbehavior went from such things as chewing gum, talking in class, running in hallways, wearing non-acceptable clothing and getting out of turn in lines to an almost 400% rise in sexual activity by 15-year old girls, resulting in pregnancies in this group standing at an increase of nearly 600%, murder, suicide, rape, gang violence, and a 500% rise in sexually contracted diseases.

"Perhaps the most distressing of all statistics is that of suicides, especially in the age group of 15- 19 Suicide among teenagers is DIRECTLY related to Satanism, promoted by decadent drug-ridden amoral rock bands and their promoters

"Most of the Tavistock-Institute created 'rock stars' advocate being 'born again into the family of Satan' through suicide. In many instances, suicide is encouraged by explicit 'lyrics,' and in others by the use of subliminal messages "

Regarding the Royal family's interest in satanism, etc. Coleman says the following in this report [In light of the Moslems attack upon the U.S. this very interesting]:

"As I said in the beginning of this update, Satanism has long been firmly rooted in England. By now most of those who are interested in the subject, know that Prince Charles has Satanist-Illuminati tools which he uses in his Satanic rituals. On the night of February 1994, [sic] Jesuit snatch squads broke into St. James' Palace and made off with some of the Prince's accouterments. What they were looking for was the hand of John the Baptist said to be locked in another part of the palace.

"The big question in England is, 'will Prince Charles be the next king of England?' The issue has not yet been decided but should Charles ascend the throne, we can expect unbridled occultism to spread across the world. Charles says the British government has failed to protect its people but does not say from what? On the other hand, the people in the best position to know say that what is needed is a ruler to protect the British people from Satanism. Cromwell was such a leader and the oligarchists fear that another Cromwell will arise from the people and set back their timetable

"In tracing occultism and Satanism in England we have to go back to the time of John Dee, astrologer to Queen Elizabeth I. Dee was the first Don at Trinity College and there would have been no modern occultism without his work. Charles is said to have been thoroughly indoctrinated with 'secrets' which he believes will be the mainstay of his life when he becomes King

"Aleister Crowley was a disciple of Dee although British intelligence was 'turned' toward the Satanic doctrine of Sufiism, that mystical branch of Islam which tainted the Middle East Arab Desk from the days of Lawrence of Arabia. Since British intelligence answers only to the House of Windsor and the House of Windsor is steeped in the Black Arts, we have to presume that Satanism is likely to enjoy a bold upsurge if Charles succeeds his mother.

"Charles is a confirmed occultist who believes he is a reincarnation of Hitler. Hitler was a good painter, and so is Charles. Both men suffered from apoplectic rages and like Hitler, Charles has a very troubled history in relationships with women. In the case of the prince, his early indoctrination into Templarism is said to be the reason for this, although his marriage was doomed from the start because of his Sufi mystic beliefs

"Researchers from other countries often come up against the obstacle presented by the manner in which London is divided into two distinct cities, one, the City of London, financial, the other, Westminster, political, when looking into the disintegration of the Anglican Church (The Church of England). They get as far only as encountering the fact that Sufiism, the mystic faith of a minority of Muslims has invaded the Church through its hierarchy, of which Prince Charles is a noteworthy example. One notable church official near the top of the hierarchy advised that the way to ease the money worries of the C.of E. was to take the problem to the Oracle of Delphi. The 'money worries' he was referring to arose from a split engineered between the City of London's generous contributions to Church funds and the Westminster government ruled by Freemasonry and Illuminism. The split became an open break when a Church commission published a paper describing the rise of Freemasonry in high government posts.

"Satanism and Illuminism flourish in the publishing business. Much of the publishing industry is unprofitable by design and its chief usefulness is that it is a valuable tool for the spread of disinformation. Freelance writer[s] are used for this purpose by MI6 which has created a disinformation network far greater and more effective than anything ever achieved by Stalin's Russia and Hitler's Germany. In the area of Satanism, the trick is to on the one hand deny that Satan exists and on the other to publish accounts of how Charles is hooked on the occult.

"The murder of MI6 agent and spy-stuff writer James Rusbridger is an example of what is meant here. Rusbridger was found hanged from a series of ropes and dressed in oilskin slicks in a ritual hanging only understood by a few of MI6's top agents. Fearing disaffection, the press was used to spread the story that Rusbridger was a rightwing fanatic who had never worked for MI6. This is the stock line used to discredit any former agent who might 'go rogue.' "

Now here are some excerpts from Dr. Coleman's 1998 report "The British Royal Family":

"The Society of Carpocrates which has a direct link to Queen Elizabeth Guelph (Windsor) is indeed alive in the highest echelons of power in Washington, which, in my opinion, is behind the uncanny almost- demonic ability of the Clinton Administration to lie its way out of any situation, no matter how blatantly guilty they appear to be to the general public. The performance of the Democrat members of the Senate's Thompson Committee, in my opinion, falls into this category.

"[The] Round Table's elite membership firmly believes in witchcraft and the Black Magic of Egypt. If you think that the Round Table is just one of your philanthropic clubs, think again! Baron Harold Anthony Caccia is the most important Round Tabler in the world. He has actively undermined US influence among the Arab nations of the Middle East, using 'The Party of God' (the Hizbollah), the Druzes, the Amala and the Antioch Society, for this purpose. Caccia is also the leader of an inner-circle coterie of friends of Elizabeth Guelph (Elizabeth II) inside the prostituted 'Venerable Order of St. John of Jerusalem', which is run by British intelligence MI6 in its international branches and MI5 at home in England

"What of Prince Charles and his possibility of ascending to the throne? This is a bit more complex and I shall come back to the subject, which may possibly have a bearing on why his marriage to Princess Diana failed

"The role of Gnostics in the life of Prince Charles was revealed in a book by John Dale, The Prince and the Paranormal: The Psychic Bloodlines of the Royal Family." Dale shows that Gnosticism plays an important role in the spiritual beliefs of Prince Charles, which Dale says, 'has turned Britain into the occult capital of the Western world. Paranormal practices which are illegal in other countries can be promoted without hindrance.'

"It is impossible to measure the influence of Prince Charles in the exporting of Gnosticism to the US but there is some evidence that the wildfire spread of this contagion of the spirit can be attributed to the interest of Charles in the subject. On November 2, 1986, the respected German magazine "Bild amd Sontag" suggested that Charles renounce his claim to the throne because of his practices and beliefs. It is said to the THE problem his mother is wrestling with, and which has to be decided before his older son, Prince William reaches the age of 18. Although Dale does not dare to go near the subject, there is some talk in intelligence sources that if Charles prevails, the likelihood of his elder son being ritually murdered at the age of 18 is strong.

"Author Dale writes that Charles was recruited into Jungian psychology and that the House of Windsor is itself riven through with psychic activities

"Dale states that Charles is flirting with a constitutional crisis by expressing this views that 'the world's religions each contain a relative truth, rather than an absolute one Jung made a great deal of sense in many, many areas.' Will a British public accept as a future king a man who holds view they deem strange and questionable paranormal beliefs, a super-ecumenicist?

"In the first instance, if Charles tries to put his beliefs to everyday use, he would certainly fall foul of the Act of Settlement, passed in 1701, and to which the House of Windsor is bound and which his views constitute a gross violation. What must be remembered is that the Act of Settlement is a law, which forbids the monarchy from coming to any agreement with the Catholic Church or indeed violating the rules of the Anglican Church in any way whatsoever.

"The Act says that the monarchy MUST uphold and defend the Protestant Christian religion and not any other belief of beliefs. Queen Elizabeth is the head of the Anglican Church, and as leader of the sovereign nation of Great Britain, the Queen and her family are lawfully bound to uphold the tenets of Christianity. A departure from this agreement would place the entire House of Windsor in jeopardy. This is the REAL AND ONLY REASON why the Queen will not step down and allow Charles to succeed her. On the other hand, both Charles and his mother have the problem of Diana's son to contend with, and according to reports, she will soon have to choose between William and Charles.

If Charles won't publicly denounce his views about the Gnostic Jung, then he will definitely fall foul of the Anglican Church, which in spite of its almost total penetration by the very same forces that control Charles, is obliged to publicly uphold and defend Christianity. Charles is on record as having espoused Jung's ideas in a speech he made at Harvard University in September of 1986 when he said that the 'mad rush to scientific and technological progress must be replaced by a curriculum of "natural psychology" to take the place of religion.'

"The fascination for Jung, which Charles has displayed on numerous occasions, would most certainly be brought up by the Anglican Church because as is well-known, Jung is credited with a great revival of gnosticism embodied in the statement he made that 'the God who made the world is evil.' Bishop Stephan Hoeller wrote a great book on Gnosticism, 'Jung the Gnostic' which is very well worth reading if we want to get a bearing on where Prince Charles' spiritual beliefs actually lie and what conflict they would raise with the Anglican Church if he ascended the throne.

"The question of who will succeed Elizabeth II has yet to be decided. Before her demise, Princess Diana expressed in the most positive terms that her son was fit to succeed his grandmother, whereas it was 'patently obvious'--she said, that Charles with his mystical and sexual proclivities, was not. Diana said this in her off-camera remarks when she was interviewed by the French newspaper Le Monde. During the interview she lashed out at the royal family and British oligarchial personalities. Queen Elizabeth was said to have been deeply angered by Diana's attacks, and when the Queen is this deeply angered, she has always taken active steps to correct what is annoying her.

"In the book, Crown and Concubine author N.H. Merton likens the issues surrounding the succession to the throne as a 'satanic conspiracy in which should Prince Charles have his way, would reduce the world to everlasting bestiality.' Prince Charles believes in 'democracy' but the 'democracy' he envisions is far from what is generally understood by the ordinary meaning of the word. In my view the type of 'democracy' envisioned by Prince Charles is based on the 'divine right of kings' where British intelligence MI6 will enforce what Charles decrees for the British nation and that means also for large parts of the world--including the United States--where MI6 reigns supreme and quickly puts 'out of their misery' any bold enough to challenge the dictates of the monarchy.

"If Charles does succeed his mother, it will not really change very much as the House of Windsor has a long history of involvement with the dark side, the black arts; a long tradition with the Venetian Black Nobility to which the House of Windsor is firmly attached. For instance, Prince Charles is a member of the Knights-Templar and was a member long before Diana came upon the scene. It was her husband's membership of that order with its rituals that bedeviled the simple young girl

"In the book, The Crown and the Concubine it is stated: 'The Prince and his supporters now want William ritually slaughtered when he reaches the age of eighteen on the first summer solstice of the millenium. This is because Charles realizes that he's unlikely to become King if he allows his first-born to live beyond the age of maturity. The Queen Mother and her entourage wish to have William secretly deified as "Sol Invictus--the Sun God"--on the same date. It is not yet clear which faction will win out in this battle because the Queen who will make the final decision on the matter, has yet to come down exclusively in favor of one side or the other.'

[Snip]

"The Queen's Protector of the Faith of the Anglican Communion--appointed by the Knights of the Garter, gave her access to what all religious bodies were doing-information not available to the Parliament or ministers of the Crown. This also gave her a strong hold over Archbishop Runci at a time when he was attempting to go his own way, before he got jerked back sharply. The Queen then enlisted his aid in undercutting Mrs. Thatcher's efforts to establish a block between the then KGB and the Russian Orthodox Church on the one hand, and the Anglican Church on the other and the Queen's efforts to bring about such a union.

"Not that the Queen is an Anglican. Far from it. How could she be when she approved of Black Nobility Bishop Hugh Montifiore who believes that Christ was a homosexual, and Bishop David Jenkins who once said of the resurrection of Christ, 'it is nothing but a conjuror's trick with bones.' Neither Montifiore or Jenkins were rebuked by the Queen, whose noble duty it was, so to do. Remember this the same Queen of England who took the Oath of the Presenting of the Bible, led by the Archbishop, thusly: 'Our gracious Queen: to keep your Majesty ever mindful of the Law of the Gospel as the Rule for the whole life and government of Christian princes, we present you with this book, the most valuable thing that this world affords.'

"By failing to rebuke Montifiore and Jenkins, the Queen laid herself open to be charged with betrayal of her oath and possible removal under the Act of Settlement. The Queen was garnering support to cut off any attempt by her enemies to invoke the Act of Settlement of 1701. Her relationship with Archbishop Runci is said to have violated this ancient law. The Act of Settlement of 1701 was passed to prevent the monarch making any changes to the Anglican creed, and Elizabeth had ordered several major changes, change which were enacted by Lord Louis Mountbatten, said to be the power behind the Rev. Canon Herbert Montague Waddam's slashing denunciation of the Book of Genesis in the Old Testament."

You know, aside from the spiritual aspects of this "debate," no one has yet to explain how one company should have a monopoly on selling school material to the entire United States educational system. And furthermore, the company is largely foreign-owned. This is supposed to be a time of patriotism-where are all the patriots out there?

If Harry Potter was just about teaching children to read, then why is Scholastic selling cassette tapes of the books for children to listen to, much less making movies about it?

A Wicca church? Could you clarify further? We don't have Wicca Churches in England. Wicca in England is based on small groups of people and the idea of a 'Church' would be a complete anathema and anyone who tried to start one would be the laughing stock of the entire Wiccan community.

I've certainly never heard of the event you mentioned, more info would be appreciated.

I didn't want to join, so I didn't dig further into it! ROFLMBO I know it was in the Sioux Falls paper, but the date I am unsure of. I know it was state she was starting a Wicca church! It has caught me very much by surprise! (Sorry. i hope when this posts it works right, in the preview the won't stop the italics!!)

Just speaking to a friend tonite about her daughter that plays with my 9 yr old, she talked about SCHOLATIC and how they are pushing this so hard onto the kids. I asked her about her daughter, and she said, "Come to think of it, yes! My duaghter did say the teacher was reading the book to the class." The mother was horrified to hear about the series, and want me to print out information. The churches hear are seemingly turning a deaf ear. I gave information to one of the pastors here and it seems nothing has been done.

Thanks for the added information. This is astounding! The source is reliable? I am shaking my head at this, dumb-founded.

The very word "evolve" has now become part of children's vocabulary as a result of the widespread popularity of Pokemon.

Hell fire, Jed! We wouldn't want them youngins evolve'n none, now would we?

Hint... The children are lost because their parents are lost. It's too late. The world is satan's. Don't argue, it is.

If you read the Bible you would know this. satan has been bent on the destruction of Christ's disciples since He told satan to get lost during His tribulation. satan was here then. he is here now. So saying there is evil in the world is like saying there is water at the bottom of the ocean.

No argument here. But there are some real Christians around who need to be aware of the deception they've become caught up in. For instance, Chuck Colson said Harry Potter was OK until he started to really look at it, then he retracted his position.

No argument here. But there are some real Christians around who need to be aware of the deception they've become caught up in.

Exactly! Those who are involved in it, do not care enough to change it. But for those parents, and others that are involved in the lives of children, that are Christian...often are not aware. The awareness needs to be there. Then the choice is still theirs but they cannot ever say they had no clue, and were not warned.

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