Blizzard putting Elder tokens on daily quests has sparked so much interaction within the world on my server that I'm reminded of the Isle of Quel'danas days. It's the best decision they could have ever made. The miniscule amount of VP you get from raid bosses, on the other hand...

Originally Posted by roahn the warlock

when I go to the carnival and drop 5 bucks on a -game- I don't bitch when I don't win the stuffed bear

So you don't have a job at the moment?
How much time do spend in wow?
What kind of job did you have, if I may ask?

I am currently unemployed yes, if you saw the job market here you would understand. I'm currently planning on studying further on the University however, but that won't happen until spring or next fall. I worked night shifts two on two for a company that did a little bit of everything in terms of maintenance of buildings, trains etc.

Blizzard putting Elder tokens on daily quests has sparked so much interaction within the world on my server that I'm reminded of the Isle of Quel'danas days. It's the best decision they could have ever made. The miniscule amount of VP you get from raid bosses, on the other hand...

Uggh no. IOQD were good dailies. It was a server wide event that everybody contributed to as much or as little as they could or wanted to because in the end the reward was the same (more or less). This is a grind that people just do. Even IOQD I got sick of doing. The only thing that made it tolerable was the fact that progression would still happen even if I didn't do them. Dailies in mists are a dead end if you don't do them.

The hammer comes down:

Originally Posted by Osmeric

Normal should be reduced in difficulty. Heroic should be reduced in difficulty.
And the tiny fraction for whom heroic raids are currently well tuned? Too bad,so sad! With the arterial bleed of subs the fastest it's ever been, the vanity development that gives you guys your own content is no longer supportable.

I am currently unemployed yes, if you saw the job market here you would understand. I'm currently planning on studying further on the University however, but that won't happen until spring or next fall. I worked night shifts two on two for a company that did a little bit of everything in terms of maintenance of buildings, trains etc.

Okay, nightshifts sounds like a pain in the behind to me :-)
I work during the days, but I am phonable during nights and weekends :-)

So whenever I am not working then I will be on-call; whenever I get a call I have to let go of whatever I am doing and do what is needed. In 2 weeks, I will be on-call 1 week.

So, my schedule to be able to play and my perception of free time and the value of that is a little bit different that yours; can we agree on that?

At the moment, I'm doing literally every daily that I can get my hands on. Because I want the rep. I want achievements.

Today, I'll get exalted with the Order of the Cloud Serpents (I think). When that is done, I'll not do those dailies for a while. My time is very limited what with 3-4 raids a week and a full-time job. I need to use my time extremely efficiently. So, when that quest hub is done with, I'll take a break from there and enjoy having a few more minutes left for other things. Same thing when I'll be exalted with any of the other factions. And in the end, I'll only do 1 or 2 daily quest hubs a day, just to get some charms. I mean, I have charms in my bag that would last me about a month in advance by now. I can take a break if I want to when I'm done with rep.

But when I'm exalted with stuff, I'll probably go ahead and finally dabble around in scenarios and earn my valor points by dungeoning and stuff.

In the end, there'll be no more necessity for Klaxxi, Order, Tillers, Anglers... and so on - aside from some of the quests being so easy that you'd be silly to pass up on that easy valor and charms.

I don't think you get the point rowaasr13!
Why do you bother to post, when you don't know what the point is?

Thanks, but I prefer not to ask your useless opinion before posting.

I get the point perfectly. There's exactly two choices: do dailies and get gear faster (not better, just faster) or don't do dailies and get it at regular speed. You want first one? Go put some effort in it. You don't - whatever, just don't whine.

I get the point perfectly. There's exactly two choices: do dailies and get gear faster (not better, just faster) or don't do dailies and get it at regular speed. You want first one? Go put some effort in it. You don't - whatever, just don't whine.

Off course it is useless to you..... If've said: good point Row; then you would be glad and maybe even thank me for it.
But when it is negative, then it is a useless one :-)

And.. eeeeehhh sorry to post something useless again, but you don't get the point. I see you tried to clearify it but it only shows that you don't get it.

I get the point perfectly. There's exactly two choices: do dailies and get gear faster (not better, just faster) or don't do dailies and get it at regular speed. You want first one? Go put some effort in it. You don't - whatever, just don't whine.

Then that's not really a choice is it. In the same way Vote or Die isn't a choice either. When one reward is so compelling and the other so lacking your not left with any real diversity or choice. Your just left with the best way to do something.

The hammer comes down:

Originally Posted by Osmeric

Normal should be reduced in difficulty. Heroic should be reduced in difficulty.
And the tiny fraction for whom heroic raids are currently well tuned? Too bad,so sad! With the arterial bleed of subs the fastest it's ever been, the vanity development that gives you guys your own content is no longer supportable.

Okay, nightshifts sounds like a pain in the behind to me :-)
I work during the days, but I am phonable during nights and weekends :-)

So whenever I am not working then I will be on-call; whenever I get a call I have to let go of whatever I am doing and do what is needed. In 2 weeks, I will be on-call 1 week.

So, my schedule to be able to play and my perception of free time and the value of that is a little bit different that yours; can we agree on that?

Definitely, I fully respect and understand that not everyone has the time I have, nor even perhaps want to spend that much, and are unable for whatever reasons to schedule raids etc. However, I feel that anyone and everyone that plays the game, has 20 minutes to spare for a couple of dailies. =)

Also night shifts weren't a pain, not for me at least. I usually prefer to stay up during the nights over the days (ye I know I'm weird ), I also get better payed for working at such hours so that worked out well for me. Sadly the company lost an important business contract with an even bigger company which resulted in them having to cut back on personnel, me included.

Then that's not really a choice is it. In the same way Vote or Die isn't a choice either. When one reward is so compelling and the other so lacking your not left with any real diversity or choice. Your just left with the best way to do something.

I think that's fairly subjective on the individual person mentality/perspective

I think that's fairly subjective on the individual person mentality/perspective

It hasn't been a choice for the past how many years of this crap? Look someone tweeted Ghostcrawler the other day they asked him why he doesn't give pvpers an honor weapon. His answer is fairly illuminating.

Weapons are so attractive, that every PvE player would buy an Honor weapon.

OF COURSE OF COURSE. Everyone will do it because it's that damn good. I mean why else would they give the gear to the daily vendors in the first place. I mean if it was just cosmetic do you think dailies would be as widely done as they are now? It's so sneaky and manipulative because in the past they've moved away from this.

The hammer comes down:

Originally Posted by Osmeric

Normal should be reduced in difficulty. Heroic should be reduced in difficulty.
And the tiny fraction for whom heroic raids are currently well tuned? Too bad,so sad! With the arterial bleed of subs the fastest it's ever been, the vanity development that gives you guys your own content is no longer supportable.

I suppose that's the reason why the Justice/Valor gear seems to be slightly lower ilevel than raid/LFR (dunno about this one) so that they're not really as attractive and you should not feel compelled to.

Never done PvP so I do not know how much effort it took to take the weapon, I just don't love PvP so I don't do it even if the weapons were greater in power than mine.

But I see the general point you make related to the charms. Still think that they're optional but that's just me cause I do not have a mindset that makes me obsess over gear. I have some made this week (cause I like Tillers and the fishing reps) I do not think I will do them again this week, simply cause I do not want to make as many dailies.

. Since Justice gear isn't as good as what you get from running dungeons you feel compelled to run dailies. For raiders it's charms now and patterns and recipes to. dailies have so many rewards tied behind them that they are basically honor weapons.

Last edited by Glorious Leader; 2012-10-10 at 11:34 AM.

The hammer comes down:

Originally Posted by Osmeric

Normal should be reduced in difficulty. Heroic should be reduced in difficulty.
And the tiny fraction for whom heroic raids are currently well tuned? Too bad,so sad! With the arterial bleed of subs the fastest it's ever been, the vanity development that gives you guys your own content is no longer supportable.

. Since Justice gear isn't as good as what you get from running dungeons you feel compelled to run dailies.

mm no I run the dailies because I like some of them, I like some of the factions and I like some of the mount (totally want the one from the fishing one) let's agree to disagree we see the game in too much different perspective to be able to reach a conclusion in this debate.

Definitely, I fully respect and understand that not everyone has the time I have, nor even perhaps want to spend that much, and are unable for whatever reasons to schedule raids etc. However, I feel that anyone and everyone that plays the game, has 20 minutes to spare for a couple of dailies. =)

Also night shifts weren't a pain, not for me at least. I usually prefer to stay up during the nights over the days (ye I know I'm weird ), I also get better payed for working at such hours so that worked out well for me. Sadly the company lost an important business contract with an even bigger company which resulted in them having to cut back on personnel, me included.

Cut back heh? That sucks. I lost a lot of collegues due to financials; well that is the nature of jobs now.

The thing with dailies is even one does them every day, it is quite slow. And then people like me, who can do then just 2 maybe 3 days per week; so it will be even slower for me to get the rep and open up the possibilty to spend vp. JP i have capped but really nothing to spend it on.

The thing is, on some days I have the time.... but then I can only do them once.
I wonder what happened to the plan of making then accessible for the whole week at once; for those who can for example, do them once per week?
They had this approach but moved away of it.

mm no I run the dailies because I like some of them, I like some of the factions and I like some of the mount (totally want the one from the fishing one) let's agree to disagree we see the game in too much different perspective to be able to reach a conclusion in this debate.

Look thgat's fine if you people like to run dailies for the sake of running dailies. I'm all for that. Have at it hoss. I mean historically dailies have just had things like mounts and pets and cosmetic shit and that's amazing. I sent blizzard a suggestion today. Add minor glyphs to the dailies. That's totally good stuff for daily quests. However ITS NOT GEAR. Or recipes. Or charms. It's value is limited or non existent for progression purposes. Look if you actually like dailies and think they're strong content then you should advocate for them to remove all of the stuff that's useful for progression from them. Let dailies stand on their own as content with rewards that are completely cosmetic and value in terms of gold. Not as FORCED CONTENT that people are compelled to do to get ahead and progress in the game so that Blizzard can get people out of org for 20 minutes at a time. They know this though. They purposely ignored that for the daily quests.

The hammer comes down:

Originally Posted by Osmeric

Normal should be reduced in difficulty. Heroic should be reduced in difficulty.
And the tiny fraction for whom heroic raids are currently well tuned? Too bad,so sad! With the arterial bleed of subs the fastest it's ever been, the vanity development that gives you guys your own content is no longer supportable.

Cut back heh? That sucks. I lost a lot of collegues due to financials; well that is the nature of jobs now.

The thing with dailies is even one does them every day, it is quite slow. And then people like me, who can do then just 2 maybe 3 days per week; so it will be even slower for me to get the rep and open up the possibilty to spend vp. JP i have capped but really nothing to spend it on.

The thing is, on some days I have the time.... but then I can only do them once.
I wonder what happened to the plan of making then accessible for the whole week at once; for those who can for example, do them once per week?
They had this approach but moved away of it.

That's something I would like to see as well, for those who have time but can't spend it every day as such, there should be an option to do all of the daily quests of the entire week, in one day. I remember them talking about something like that, that there would be so many dailies that it wasn't intended for you to complete all of them, but do as many as you like whenever you like. Definitely something I would want them add to the game.