Never actually ridden Tiagra so I can't really help that much but I think Veloce looks a lot better and it's been working fine for me. I've heard it's more equivalent to 105 in the Shimano range.

One problem you might find though is slightly less wheel availability as you'll need wheels with Campy freehubs. Almost everyone offers Campy though so that's fine, you just can't buy Shimano wheels basically.

Campagnolo is a more emotional way of shifting, you can feel the history each time you change gears, it's a sensual experience. Every time you go for a ride you will be thinking about the 140yr old Italian guy who hand carved your derailleur pivots from a single piece of granite he nicked from the Sistine Chapel. The MAN just wants you to be a slave to replacing components every year but Campagnolo will last for ever and ever and it will make you go faster and you will be more attractive to members of the opposite sex and it's made in EUROPE and the cables are different sizes and you need a different hub but it's SOO worth it!

Just kidding, IMO it depends on the bike, i reckon both look fine (i've used Tiagra a lot and it works perfectly well).

When man invented the bicycle he reached the peak of his attainments- Elizabeth West.

Campagnolo is a more emotional way of shifting, you can feel the history each time you change gears, it's a sensual experience. Every time you go for a ride you will be thinking about the 140yr old Italian guy who hand carved your derailleur pivots from a single piece of granite he nicked from the Sistine Chapel. The MAN just wants you to be a slave to replacing components every year but Campagnolo will last for ever and ever and it will make you go faster and you will be more attractive to members of the opposite sex and it's made in EUROPE and the cables are different sizes and you need a different hub but it's SOO worth it!

Just kidding, IMO it depends on the bike, i reckon both look fine (i've used Tiagra a lot and it works perfectly well).

+1. I laughed so hard at that i just woke my 7 yo son

Aye, go the Veloce as it is smexy stuff, who cares that it isn't as much available compared to shimano. Dunno about Tiagra gear, as i just replaced some very old Campagnolo Record gear with new Ultegra & 105 and it sings rather sweetly.

Go ride a bike with Veloce, another with Tiagra, another with SRAM Apex and another with Microshift

Veloce will give you street credTiagra are more practicalApex are sexy (if some what expensive) SRAMMicroshift given you more bang for the buck particularly if you are a weight weenie

I have Centaur shifters Athena drivetrain on my pose/group ride bike, they just do not feel right in my hands, downshifting is a pain for me.I have SRAM on my race bike, the double tap seems natural to me and ergonomics just workI have 6600 Ultegra on my commuter, I do try to double tap with silly consequences, but would like my SRAM drivetrain to be that quiet and precise.I have a Microshift Aris groupset to fit to my crit bike I am building.

So ride bikes with each of them and you will find the brifters/groupset that work for you.

I know I've already weighed in with my support for Veloce but seeing as SRAM has been mentioned I want to throw out my opinion of SRAM Force too. I have it on my commuter bike and I really love it, shifters feel nice in my hands, double tap makes sense to me, mechanics seem very well made and shifting is crisp and precise. Personally I do have trouble reaching the thumb lever of veloce from the hoods. The Force mechanics feel smoother and tighter than the Veloce ones but they are completely levels of groupset so it's not a fair comparison really.

80 euros cheaper on bike24 and you can use more common wheels and cassettes.

Tiagra is 9 speed, so not compatible with the vast majority of 10 speed wheels anyway. If you already had a set of wheels, well... that might be a reason. If you're buying wheels then it won't be an issue. Veloce + Ventos = WIN.

AndrewBurns wrote:I know I've already weighed in with my support for Veloce but seeing as SRAM has been mentioned I want to throw out my opinion of SRAM Force too. I have it on my commuter bike and I really love it, shifters feel nice in my hands, double tap makes sense to me, mechanics seem very well made and shifting is crisp and precise. Personally I do have trouble reaching the thumb lever of veloce from the hoods. The Force mechanics feel smoother and tighter than the Veloce ones but they are completely levels of groupset so it's not a fair comparison really.

I liked Veloce better than SRAM Rival. This was compounded when my Rival right shifter broke. Apparently a fairly common occurrence.

80 euros cheaper on bike24 and you can use more common wheels and cassettes.

Tiagra is 9 speed, so not compatible with the vast majority of 10 speed wheels anyway. If you already had a set of wheels, well... that might be a reason. If you're buying wheels then it won't be an issue. Veloce + Ventos = WIN.

Current Tiagra is 10 speed.

In any case you just swap cassettes, not wheels. Simply done, 5 minute job.

Changed to 10 speed for 2012, mine is 9 speed though and i'm using it on 10spd hubs with a little washer.

Most 'Shimano' hubs are 8/9/10 speed compatible. That is, it's not the wheel or the hub that determines 8/9/10, but the shifters. Set the alignment and RD limits properly and the shifter does the job, as far as I figure it.

I have a wheelset I swap between a 10 speed 105 bike and a 9 speed Tiagra with a simple swap of cassette.

Ken Ho wrote:BAsic error is that you are considering that Veloce is "entry level" and therefore comparable to Tiagra. Veloce is Campag. They don't do a Tiagra level gruppo.

That's not the first time i've seen that sort of comment, what is the difference then? They certainly look pretty similar to me, i can't find any weights for the current Tiagra but i doubt there would be much difference there, and from working on my bike and my brother's, i have no problems with the build quality of the Tiagra. The only exposure i've had to Veloce was using a 2nd hand front derailleur on one of my bikes for a while.

If the error was considering Veloce to be entry level then people would be comparing it to Sora, or even the new Tourney. There are a few people saying this year's Tiagra is last year's 105, and i hardly think Veloce would be better quality than 105.

When man invented the bicycle he reached the peak of his attainments- Elizabeth West.

I bought a avanti giro 3 in march this year with the 10 speed tiagra grp set. Just clocked up 11,000 km without any issue but will soon retire the bike to full time indoor trainer when I upgrade. It was/is a great bike for the price .

Ken Ho wrote:BAsic error is that you are considering that Veloce is "entry level" and therefore comparable to Tiagra. Veloce is Campag. They don't do a Tiagra level gruppo.

That's not the first time i've seen that sort of comment, what is the difference then? They certainly look pretty similar to me, i can't find any weights for the current Tiagra but i doubt there would be much difference there, and from working on my bike and my brother's, i have no problems with the build quality of the Tiagra. The only exposure i've had to Veloce was using a 2nd hand front derailleur on one of my bikes for a while.

If the error was considering Veloce to be entry level then people would be comparing it to Sora, or even the new Tourney. There are a few people saying this year's Tiagra is last year's 105, and i hardly think Veloce would be better quality than 105.

I had Veloce on my daily bike. IMO on par if not slightly better than the 105 that it replaced but those differences might be user preference. Tiagra on the other hand is no comparison.

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