this guy A.C.H... I've seen a few matches from this kid, and he is really great. I believe he signed on with RoH earlier this year, and he is definitely one to watch. Definitely one of my 5 favorite guys working the indies right now.

I don't think it's only you. Look at tonight's postings. Four postings, three that aren't being complimentary of the current product.

The company is more worried about dancing for the crowd and plugging their social media platforms instead of elevating their talent to a different level. This is the second week in a row where I wasn't locked in on RAW, and I don't think I missed much at all.

I honestly don't care at this point. I'm really disinterested. I watched for Punk(who is on hiatus) Ziggler(who is injured, but they still treat like a jobber even with the belt), Bryan(who hopefully they get him out of tag matches and let him start working alone again), and the Shield. That's really about it. I watched for a few minutes tonight between hockey games, but nothing even remotely grabbed my interest.

DudeMan2766 wrote:I caught the first few minutes just to see how bad the dance off was, and watched te final promo but really had no interest in it. Second week in a row I barely watched.

That's about all I watched. Dance-off was even worse than expected and ate some serious clock, like 20 minutes wasted on what could have been filmed in 3-5 min in a non-RAW segment. When you factor in commercials, recaps, and non-ring stuff like backstage interviews, Cole/King/JBL yapping, that's a lot of in ring time wasted. HHH/Lesnar? Yeah, that's great. Back to part timers main eventing. Technically HHH is a little more than part time since he's part of the family business. But as a wrestler, HHH is now a part-timer when compared to the rest of the roster.

skullman80 wrote:I honestly don't care at this point. I'm really disinterested. I watched for Punk(who is on hiatus) Ziggler(who is injured, but they still treat like a jobber even with the belt), Bryan(who hopefully they get him out of tag matches and let him start working alone again), and the Shield. That's really about it. I watched for a few minutes tonight between hockey games, but nothing even remotely grabbed my interest.

Think we're on the same page for reasons to watch. Punk was the one that got me back into watching regularly. Ziggler, as you pointed out, is jobbed weekly as if he were Barry Horowitz with a belt. I like Sandow's gimmick, but if Ziggler is the new Barry Horowitz, then Sandow is Iron Mike Sharpe. Better yet, maybe that comparison to The Genius that somebody made isn't that far off after all.

Sam's Drunk Dog wrote:I haven't watched more than an hour in total over the last month. The product is horrible.

I'm not too far off from that number. I probably spent an hour watching in the last 2-3 weeks.

Yeah Raw is just bad at this point. WWE is IMO mismanaging the Shield as well by not putting any of them in singles or regular tag matches. Additionally the "spear" finish needs to go. It was pretty "holy **** that came out of no where" the first time it happened but now it's just expected like the 5 moves of doom. Lets see Rollins or Ambrose with a finisher, lets see a submission, lets see something different because right now WWE is killing the stable and angle of The Shield. As for everything else, very meh, Big E doesn't seem very talented although they haven't even let him try the "Five" gimmick yet. It's still rather awful though.

On a side note I was watching Botchamania last night and they had a comedy short about the U.S. championship with a scene from the movie Snatch. Just pointing out how worthless the lesser titles are because of how WWE handles them.

It's kind of funny re: Shield and not being in regular matches. Ambrose gets a shot at the US Title this week at the PPV, and Rollins/Reigns get a shot at the Tag Titles as well. Hopefully this is the beginning of them breaking off always wrestling 3 man matches.

Ambrose does have a finisher, he used it in his match with.. I forget who(Kofit maybe...), but its like a front faced head driver type of move, hard to explain. I'm sure there is a wrestling term for it, but I can't think of it right now.

also, rollins is great. He is easily the best in-ring performer of the 3. He's used at least 3 or 4 pretty innovative moves in the past as tyler black in the indies, so i'd love to see him in singles action more.

I noticed how everyone pointed to the Shield match as the decent highlight and how even that was botched. Kane was a ****** for 5 mins. Then Bryant was too. Then all of a sudden its CENA CENA CENA. Gee, look good, then quickly move away from it. This hasn't been the script for 10 years or anything.

She'sTheFastest wrote:I noticed how everyone pointed to the Shield match as the decent highlight and how even that was botched. Kane was a ****** for 5 mins. Then Bryant was too. Then all of a sudden its CENA CENA CENA. Gee, look good, then quickly move away from it. This hasn't been the script for 10 years or anything.

that was a well booked and well performed match, except for the finish. i don't even mind that cena came back from 3 on 1. Reigns getting DQ'ed from shoving the ref and doing the spear is fine, but if you were going to go with the DQ finish to end it, don't make it when cena has that match won. i don't get how they could book that.

the match should have ended one of two ways...

1. the spear took a lot out of cena, allowing ambrose to hit his finisher and go over clean.

2. ambrose dominates a bit, and cena mounts a LITTLE offense... like one or two moves... and THEN you do the DQ finish

neither one of these finishes hurts cena, especially because ryback came out and destroyed him anyway. but they give the shield a major rub, and build heat for their respective matches at the next ppv.

^^^ Ambrose finisher used to be called the snapmare driver - I think some guy in the indys did it - Sami Callihan maybe? They'll probably give it some obvious sounding name like "justice driver' or "shield slam".