dr_blasto:BraveNewCheneyWorld: dr_blasto: In their paranoia, the cops are searching trucks. Forcing the driver to open the thing at gunpoint. Apparently the cops can do whatever they want without repercussion.[l2.yimg.com image 512x324]

If a cop was going to do that to me, I'd tell him to open it himself. fark you if you think I'm trusting you to aim a gun by my head.

No shiat, tell the farker to get his partner to do that. Unless he's already drawn and pointing at you, in that case you're farked either way.

MahicanDream:UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: The best possible outcome of this would be the capture of Dorner with no more bloodshed, a fair trial, and a complete reassessment and restructure of of LAPD's officer misconduct review policies and the establishment of a civilian review board with teeth. LAPD and the city of Los Angeles (and our entire nation) needs this shakeup for its own good.The LAPD has a long-term malignancy that needs to be excised for the good of the city of Los Angeles. No more "thin blue line".

<b>If policies change for the better, Dorner may have in the end, saved more lives than he has taken. Allegedly.</b>

/I hear Cal Worthington's is having a sale on used blue/grey Japanese pickups.//go see Cal, go see Cal, go see Cal///come on down!

That is far and away the dumbest and most inhumane thing I have read here regarding this narcissistic prick. Excellent job dirtying the lives and deaths of the two people Dorner murdered.

Who has he murdered? Because from what I have read, no evidence has been found at the scene of the crime that links Dorner to the murder's he's being held responsible for. All that exists is circumstantial speculation based on what he wrote in his "manifesto"

thamike:tshauk: Girion47:yeah fark that. I've seen their accuracy, no way in hell do I want to be downrange from a cop. Not to mention they don't have a right to search my vehicle without a warrant.

Exactly THIS.

They actually can search your vehicle without a warrant, if they pull you over. They can definitely search you car and person on private property, such as a ski resort, if the proprietors have given them permission. Same goes for home and apartment rentals, as well as hotel rooms. It's your house that they can't search without a warrant (and even then, they can come in if a suspect just went inside. I'm not saying it's right, just that it's true.

dr_blasto:In their paranoia, the cops are searching trucks. Forcing the driver to open the thing at gunpoint. Apparently the cops can do whatever they want without repercussion.[l2.yimg.com image 512x324]

Why wouldn't they search trucks? You think Donner is going to stick with one type of vehicle? And they aren't pointing it at the driver. They are pointing it at the opening so that if Donner is in there they have him covered. You think Donner is going to toss up his hands and say, "Well, you got me. Hide and Seek is over" if they find him in a vehicle? What gives you any clue that he would do that?

mekki:dr_blasto: In their paranoia, the cops are searching trucks. Forcing the driver to open the thing at gunpoint. Apparently the cops can do whatever they want without repercussion.[l2.yimg.com image 512x324]

Why wouldn't they search trucks? You think Donner is going to stick with one type of vehicle? And they aren't pointing it at the driver. They are pointing it at the opening so that if Donner is in there they have him covered. You think Donner is going to toss up his hands and say, "Well, you got me. Hide and Seek is over" if they find him in a vehicle? What gives you any clue that he would do that?

With a spread like this, would you want to be anywhere near where they're aiming?

Girion47:Who has he murdered? Because from what I have read, no evidence has been found at the scene of the crime that links Dorner to the murder's he's being held responsible for. All that exists is circumstantial speculation based on what he wrote in his "manifesto"

He has motive. And in his "manifesto" he confessed to targeting Quan and his family, and any of the subsequent targets he named. He also said that he didn't intend to live through this, but he felt the killings would clear his name. That is why he is the primary suspect. Then there are several witness accounts involving the first traffic stop met with armed response, and then the ambush. That is not circumstantial evidence, let alone speculation. That's corroborating evidence. It would be a stretch to suspect anybody else at this point.

Girion47:MahicanDream: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: The best possible outcome of this would be the capture of Dorner with no more bloodshed, a fair trial, and a complete reassessment and restructure of of LAPD's officer misconduct review policies and the establishment of a civilian review board with teeth. LAPD and the city of Los Angeles (and our entire nation) needs this shakeup for its own good.The LAPD has a long-term malignancy that needs to be excised for the good of the city of Los Angeles. No more "thin blue line".

<b>If policies change for the better, Dorner may have in the end, saved more lives than he has taken. Allegedly.</b>

/I hear Cal Worthington's is having a sale on used blue/grey Japanese pickups.//go see Cal, go see Cal, go see Cal///come on down!

That is far and away the dumbest and most inhumane thing I have read here regarding this narcissistic prick. Excellent job dirtying the lives and deaths of the two people Dorner murdered.

Who has he murdered? Because from what I have read, no evidence has been found at the scene of the crime that links Dorner to the murder's he's being held responsible for. All that exists is circumstantial speculation based on what he wrote in his "manifesto"

OK CSI:Fark, go on believing that the guy who wrote that because he never had a family he is terminating yours, along with the threat of asymetrical warfare upon the LAPD and their families, had nothing to do with the murders. Just realize you can be like the others here, defending him or lionizing him or both, but when he is found dead in the mountains the rest of us won't shed a tear for that murderer. If you want to exchange humanity for a conspiracy theory go ahead, you are in the right place for that it seems.

MahicanDream:Girion47: MahicanDream: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: The best possible outcome of this would be the capture of Dorner with no more bloodshed, a fair trial, and a complete reassessment and restructure of of LAPD's officer misconduct review policies and the establishment of a civilian review board with teeth. LAPD and the city of Los Angeles (and our entire nation) needs this shakeup for its own good.The LAPD has a long-term malignancy that needs to be excised for the good of the city of Los Angeles. No more "thin blue line".

<b>If policies change for the better, Dorner may have in the end, saved more lives than he has taken. Allegedly.</b>

/I hear Cal Worthington's is having a sale on used blue/grey Japanese pickups.//go see Cal, go see Cal, go see Cal///come on down!

That is far and away the dumbest and most inhumane thing I have read here regarding this narcissistic prick. Excellent job dirtying the lives and deaths of the two people Dorner murdered.

Who has he murdered? Because from what I have read, no evidence has been found at the scene of the crime that links Dorner to the murder's he's being held responsible for. All that exists is circumstantial speculation based on what he wrote in his "manifesto"

OK CSI:Fark, go on believing that the guy who wrote that because he never had a family he is terminating yours, along with the threat of asymetrical warfare upon the LAPD and their families, had nothing to do with the murders. Just realize you can be like the others here, defending him or lionizing him or both, but when he is found dead in the mountains the rest of us won't shed a tear for that murderer. If you want to exchange humanity for a conspiracy theory go ahead, you are in the right place for that it seems.

I just find it incredibly sad that fellow US citizens are so ready to throw out due process with this guy. He's been convicted in your mind and you don't even want to wait for an appointed judge to hand him a proper sentence, just a bullet from some fatass bully that has a shiny piece of metal on his shirt.

MahicanDream:Girion47: MahicanDream: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: The best possible outcome of this would be the capture of Dorner with no more bloodshed, a fair trial, and a complete reassessment and restructure of of LAPD's officer misconduct review policies and the establishment of a civilian review board with teeth. LAPD and the city of Los Angeles (and our entire nation) needs this shakeup for its own good.The LAPD has a long-term malignancy that needs to be excised for the good of the city of Los Angeles. No more "thin blue line".

<b>If policies change for the better, Dorner may have in the end, saved more lives than he has taken. Allegedly.</b>

/I hear Cal Worthington's is having a sale on used blue/grey Japanese pickups.//go see Cal, go see Cal, go see Cal///come on down!

That is far and away the dumbest and most inhumane thing I have read here regarding this narcissistic prick. Excellent job dirtying the lives and deaths of the two people Dorner murdered.

Who has he murdered? Because from what I have read, no evidence has been found at the scene of the crime that links Dorner to the murder's he's being held responsible for. All that exists is circumstantial speculation based on what he wrote in his "manifesto"

OK CSI:Fark, go on believing that the guy who wrote that because he never had a family he is terminating yours, along with the threat of asymetrical warfare upon the LAPD and their families, had nothing to do with the murders. Just realize you can be like the others here, defending him or lionizing him or both, but when he is found dead in the mountains the rest of us won't shed a tear for that murderer. If you want to exchange humanity for a conspiracy theory go ahead, you are in the right place for that it seems.

Despite the fact that he is probably a murderer and his solution in his manifesto is, well, crazy - there are some highly salient points made which are amplified given LAPD's reaction and how they have conducted themselves so far. Obviously, we should be focused on apprehending him and stopping any future bloodshed, but the corruption and incompetency needs to be addressed sooner rather than later.

mekki:dr_blasto: In their paranoia, the cops are searching trucks. Forcing the driver to open the thing at gunpoint. Apparently the cops can do whatever they want without repercussion.[l2.yimg.com image 512x324]

Why wouldn't they search trucks? You think Donner is going to stick with one type of vehicle? And they aren't pointing it at the driver. They are pointing it at the opening so that if Donner is in there they have him covered. You think Donner is going to toss up his hands and say, "Well, you got me. Hide and Seek is over" if they find him in a vehicle? What gives you any clue that he would do that?

He's downrange of the pistol. The cop is threatening him, even if he isn't intending to. This is improper.

Of course, they're all well-trained professionals and given how well they handled staying on target while shooting those newspaper people, well:

JustFarkinAround:I can't believe the NRA isn't all over this story: regardless of which side you believe, what a perfect story against gun control!

If you believe Dorner, you should have a legal right to defend yourself against a corrupt police force and the government that is too corrupt to fix it.If you believe the LAPD, you should have the legal right to defend yourself against a highly trained, armed and crazed ex-soldier/policeman.

If you still believe in gun control, you still have your right to be a pussy, stick your head in the sand , and hope that your precious govt/police give two shiats about your anonymous ass or your family - I hope that works out for you.

And if you believe that two elderly Hispanic women in a blue Toyota Tacoma are similar enough to a middle aged black man in a grey Nissan Titan to justify unloading your weapons at them, you should be really happy!

Kit Fister:Again, no evidence has been found positively linking the deaths with Dorner. Circumstantial evidence based on his manifesto is all they have to even begin to hold him accountable.

Remember that thing about Innocent until Proven Guilty? How about the pesky requirement of proof beyond a reasonable doubt? The LAPD cannot just say the guy's guilty. They have to PROVE it in a court of law. So far, no evidence has been found to get anywhere near there.

The more I read about the whole thing, the more it smells like the guy threatened the wrong people, and they used him as a scape goat to clear a couple murders and at the same time kill or shut up a guy who is planning to blow the whistle on some shady shiat that would make the LAPD look REALLY bad.

Then again, there's not much out there that the LAPD does that would make them look GOOD.

*I* can believe he's guilty of whatever I want, and will, based on what has been presented in the press so far. That whole "innocent until proven guilty" bit refers to the government, and whether he can be sentenced, not the court of public opinion. This is why everyone believes OJ is guilty, but he wasn't in prison until he farked up again.

But by your logic, they're using him to clear a few of murders of FAMILY OF THE LAPD. Aren't those the kinds of murders they, you know, actually want to solve?

mekki:dr_blasto: In their paranoia, the cops are searching trucks. Forcing the driver to open the thing at gunpoint. Apparently the cops can do whatever they want without repercussion.[l2.yimg.com image 512x324]

Why wouldn't they search trucks? You think Donner is going to stick with one type of vehicle? And they aren't pointing it at the driver. They are pointing it at the opening so that if Donner is in there they have him covered. You think Donner is going to toss up his hands and say, "Well, you got me. Hide and Seek is over" if they find him in a vehicle? What gives you any clue that he would do that?

Rational decisions made by the LAPD that should lead you to trust one of them while his pistol is pointed in your direction:

mekki:dr_blasto: In their paranoia, the cops are searching trucks. Forcing the driver to open the thing at gunpoint. Apparently the cops can do whatever they want without repercussion.[l2.yimg.com image 512x324]

Why wouldn't they search trucks? You think Donner is going to stick with one type of vehicle? And they aren't pointing it at the driver. They are pointing it at the opening so that if Donner is in there they have him covered. You think Donner is going to toss up his hands and say, "Well, you got me. Hide and Seek is over" if they find him in a vehicle? What gives you any clue that he would do that?

mekki:Why wouldn't they search trucks? You think Donner is going to stick with one type of vehicle? And they aren't pointing it at the driver. They are pointing it at the opening so that if Donner is in there they have him covered. You think Donner is going to toss up his hands and say, "Well, you got me. Hide and Seek is over" if they find him in a vehicle? What gives you any clue that he would do that?

LA is not Baghdad, and the LAPD are not Blackwater. There are rules here. You cannot just start shooting up civilian vehicles because they kind of sort of look similar to the one you're looking for. I'm not a cop, but I would hope that the investigative standards in the LAPD are advanced enough that cops can distinguish between two Hispanic women and a black man.

MahicanDream:UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: The best possible outcome of this would be the capture of Dorner with no more bloodshed, a fair trial, and a complete reassessment and restructure of of LAPD's officer misconduct review policies and the establishment of a civilian review board with teeth. LAPD and the city of Los Angeles (and our entire nation) needs this shakeup for its own good.The LAPD has a long-term malignancy that needs to be excised for the good of the city of Los Angeles. No more "thin blue line".

<b>If policies change for the better, Dorner may have in the end, saved more lives than he has taken. Allegedly.</b>

/I hear Cal Worthington's is having a sale on used blue/grey Japanese pickups.//go see Cal, go see Cal, go see Cal///come on down!

That is far and away the dumbest and most inhumane thing I have read here regarding this narcissistic prick. Excellent job dirtying the lives and deaths of the two people Dorner murdered.

Nothing I said above had anything to do with any of the alleged victims of the fugitive, Christopher Dorner, and I'm not justifying his alleged actions. LAPD is a rogue organization, and has been since the days of Daryl Gates. They are the leaders and catalyst for militarized police forces.

Much like the NYPD, they have declared themselves a national police force with unlimited jurisdiction in the US and abroad. They need to be put on a short leash by the people.The last thing we want as citizens is a militarized force policing us, as there is hardly a worse option available. Military are designed for one purpose; to break things and kill people, and ours is particularly good at it.

tirob:UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: The best possible outcome of this would be the capture of Dorner with no more bloodshed

I'd guess that the chances of this happening are minimal. Dorner is the only suspect in the murders of a Riverside, CA cop and the daughter of an ex LAPD captain. He's not only armed, he's had extensive training in the use of guns. If the cops find him alive, they'll shoot first and ask questions later.

The latest news report has even MORE people-who-look-nothing-like-Dorner being fired on by Our Heroes in Blue. It sounds like the cops simply intend to keep shooting random civilians until they eventually get Dorner by sheer inclusiveness.

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER:They need to be put on a short leash by the people.The last thing we want as citizens is a militarized force policing us, as there is hardly a worse option available.

There is a worse option--armed citizenry heading into gang territory and wiping out everyone, heading east from Western Ave. and just slashing and burning, trying to take Temple St. and Rampart for good. But i notice this "armed citizenry" idea that gets kicked around by armchair warriors is almost unanimously against the sort of inept police, and not the gangsters.

Mentat:JustFarkinAround: I can't believe the NRA isn't all over this story: regardless of which side you believe, what a perfect story against gun control!

If you believe Dorner, you should have a legal right to defend yourself against a corrupt police force and the government that is too corrupt to fix it.If you believe the LAPD, you should have the legal right to defend yourself against a highly trained, armed and crazed ex-soldier/policeman.

If you still believe in gun control, you still have your right to be a pussy, stick your head in the sand , and hope that your precious govt/police give two shiats about your anonymous ass or your family - I hope that works out for you.

And if you believe that two elderly Hispanic women in a blue Toyota Tacoma are similar enough to a middle aged black man in a grey Nissan Titan to justify unloading your weapons at them, you should be really happy!

Don't misunderstand my statement - I dont back the LAPD here, and I think their gung-ho 'shoot anything that moves' is abhorrent. Obviously, there's corruption in the LAPD, but this guy has no reason to kill his "enemy's" children - that's terrorism to kill innocents. This guy should've contacted the LA Times or Geraldo Rivera and made the talk show circuit as a whistleblower.

mksmith:The latest news report has even MORE people-who-look-nothing-like-Dorner being fired on by Our Heroes in Blue. It sounds like the cops simply intend to keep shooting random civilians until they eventually get Dorner by sheer inclusiveness.

I am glad cops cannot shoot for shiat...maybe they should be limited to 7 rd mags or less...much less. One round in a top pocket?

iq_in_binary:chupathingie: Alonjar: He is a good man pushed too far... and he is prepared to give his life, so that you may live yours in freedom and liberty.

He is an American Hero.

What an utter crock of horseshiat. He targets innocent relatives of those he holds a grudge against.

/you're a moron.

So far all he's killed are cops.

You say that as if it justifies murdering people. You're also factually incorrect (in as much as he's the prime suspect):

"Several reports confirm that police are now on the manhunt for former LAPD officer Christopher Jordan Dorner, the man suspected of murdering Cal State Fullerton basketball coach Monica Quan and her fiancé Keith Lawrence on Sunday, Feb. 3."

thamike:UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: They need to be put on a short leash by the people.The last thing we want as citizens is a militarized force policing us, as there is hardly a worse option available.

There is a worse option--armed citizenry heading into gang territory and wiping out everyone, heading east from Western Ave. and just slashing and burning, trying to take Temple St. and Rampart for good. But i notice this "armed citizenry" idea that gets kicked around by armchair warriors is almost unanimously against the sort of inept police, and not the gangsters.

Kit Fister:thamike: There is a worse option--armed citizenry heading into gang territory and wiping out everyone, heading east from Western Ave. and just slashing and burning, trying to take Temple St. and Rampart for good. But i notice this "armed citizenry" idea that gets kicked around by armchair warriors is almost unanimously against the sort of inept police, and not the gangsters.

Not sure how I see actively hunting down and killing the Gang Bangers and taking back the cities once and for all as a "Bad" thing, per se.

Only problem is that it would end up becoming an all-out "race war" instead of what it was intended to be. Only takes one or two cases of some White guy thinking a Black or Latino teenager is a gang member because of how they're dressed, and filling them full of lead, before the entire thing erupts into racial chaos.

As someone that works in a gang-infested neighborhood, and lives in another, I'm not interested in this at all.

Kit Fister:Not sure how I see actively hunting down and killing the Gang Bangers and taking back the cities once and for all as a "Bad" thing, per se.

Kit Fister:Remember that thing about Innocent until Proven Guilty? How about the pesky requirement of proof beyond a reasonable doubt? The LAPD cannot just say the guy's guilty. They have to PROVE it in a court of law. So far, no evidence has been found to get anywhere near there.

mbillips:That dude is dead, either from exposure or because he's already shot himself.

His Navy Reserve job was basically a glorified security guard. The sort of training he would have received in the military would have absolutely no effect on his being prepared to go all Rambo in the snowy mountains. He's dead.

First of all, Dorner is scum. If he truly killed those people, then to hell with him. The sooner they get him the better.

But the shiat he's talking about is real. The police preying on the poor of any color and minorities is no joke. No trolling. Dead serious.

Get Dorner. Period. Then re-evalutate every single man and woman who serves on the LAPD and their service history; any history of complaints, any shoddy police work, any hint of corruption...best case scenarios should be censured, worst cases should be out on their ass.

I was also dead serious about wanting to know if these kinds of killing happen to white folks on the daily. Why would I be trolling about this? Do you somehow feel that white life is less valuable than anyone else? Why would this be a joke.

So far I've only gotten three responses and two of them with links. Damn. That's a higher number than I thought and it is worrisome. Don't you all get it? When we deny justice to even the least of us, then justice slides down the drain for all of us.

It's kind of pathetic that ya'll would think I'm trolling. Seriously. Those murders by the police happened. And black people worry about this kind of thing all the time. Like all the farking time. My question wondering whether white people have this level of fear of the police is valid, because honestly, I don't see it if it does. But it seems like it's open season on all of us.

But the shiat he's talking about is real. The police preying on the poor of any color and minorities is no joke. No trolling. Dead serious.

It's kind of pathetic that ya'll would think I'm trolling. Seriously. Those murders by the police happened. And black people worry about this kind of thing all the time. Like all the farking time. My question wondering whether white people have this level of fear of the police is valid, because honestly, I don't see it if it does. But it seems like it's open season on all of us.

fark. Just fark.

Black people do indeed worry about this sort of thing, and not without grounds. Very few of them, however, react to their fears, however well grounded, by going on vindictive shooting rampages. And fewer still go on vindictive shooting rampages in which most of the victims are *themselves* people of color and minorities while attempting to "justify" their actions by crying "racism!"

JustFarkinAround:I can't believe the NRA isn't all over this story: regardless of which side you believe, what a perfect story against gun control!

If you believe Dorner, you should have a legal right to defend yourself against a corrupt police force and the government that is too corrupt to fix it.If you believe the LAPD, you should have the legal right to defend yourself against a highly trained, armed and crazed ex-soldier/policeman.

If you still believe in gun control, you still have your right to be a pussy, stick your head in the sand , and hope that your precious govt/police give two shiats about your anonymous ass or your family - I hope that works out for you.

JustFarkinAround:Mentat: JustFarkinAround: I can't believe the NRA isn't all over this story: regardless of which side you believe, what a perfect story against gun control!

If you believe Dorner, you should have a legal right to defend yourself against a corrupt police force and the government that is too corrupt to fix it.If you believe the LAPD, you should have the legal right to defend yourself against a highly trained, armed and crazed ex-soldier/policeman.

If you still believe in gun control, you still have your right to be a pussy, stick your head in the sand , and hope that your precious govt/police give two shiats about your anonymous ass or your family - I hope that works out for you.

And if you believe that two elderly Hispanic women in a blue Toyota Tacoma are similar enough to a middle aged black man in a grey Nissan Titan to justify unloading your weapons at them, you should be really happy!

Don't misunderstand my statement - I dont back the LAPD here, and I think their gung-ho 'shoot anything that moves' is abhorrent. Obviously, there's corruption in the LAPD, but this guy has no reason to kill his "enemy's" children - that's terrorism to kill innocents. This guy should've contacted the LA Times or Geraldo Rivera and made the talk show circuit as a whistleblower.

That's not technically how an act is determined to be an act of terrorism.

I notice all you gun control freaks consistently advocate that guns shall only be in the hands of the military and the police.

That works okay until you consider: The military and the police are just as susceptible to mental illness as anyone else, and if one of them goes berserk and kills someone, you may want a gun if he comes after you.

Bontesla:JustFarkinAround: Mentat: JustFarkinAround: I can't believe the NRA isn't all over this story: regardless of which side you believe, what a perfect story against gun control!

If you believe Dorner, you should have a legal right to defend yourself against a corrupt police force and the government that is too corrupt to fix it.If you believe the LAPD, you should have the legal right to defend yourself against a highly trained, armed and crazed ex-soldier/policeman.

If you still believe in gun control, you still have your right to be a pussy, stick your head in the sand , and hope that your precious govt/police give two shiats about your anonymous ass or your family - I hope that works out for you.

And if you believe that two elderly Hispanic women in a blue Toyota Tacoma are similar enough to a middle aged black man in a grey Nissan Titan to justify unloading your weapons at them, you should be really happy!

Don't misunderstand my statement - I dont back the LAPD here, and I think their gung-ho 'shoot anything that moves' is abhorrent. Obviously, there's corruption in the LAPD, but this guy has no reason to kill his "enemy's" children - that's terrorism to kill innocents. This guy should've contacted the LA Times or Geraldo Rivera and made the talk show circuit as a whistleblower.

That's not technically how an act is determined to be an act of terrorism.

But the shiat he's talking about is real. The police preying on the poor of any color and minorities is no joke. No trolling. Dead serious.

It's kind of pathetic that ya'll would think I'm trolling. Seriously. Those murders by the police happened. And black people worry about this kind of thing all the time. Like all the farking time. My question wondering whether white people have this level of fear of the police is valid, because honestly, I don't see it if it does. But it seems like it's open season on all of us.

fark. Just fark.

Black people do indeed worry about this sort of thing, and not without grounds. Very few of them, however, react to their fears, however well grounded, by going on vindictive shooting rampages. And fewer still go on vindictive shooting rampages in which most of the victims are *themselves* people of color and minorities while attempting to "justify" their actions by crying "racism!"

Maybe if instead of destroying the city, the minority communities targeted LAPD after the Rodney King thing, the LAPD would have gotten its shiat together.

It has never worked like that in the past anywhere in this country.

And I would be careful about talking about minority *communities* destroying anything. If you look at the Rodney King riots, and the Watts riot 27 years before, and similar ghetto riots elsewhere in the US, you will find that only a small percentage of the people in the communities you talk about actually participated in the riots.