You people still don't get it, do you? It's not all about some rocks in the middle of nowhere, it's about Chinese people's unfinished business with Japan, US nuked and defeated Japan in 1945, that's their term, we never got ours due to the weak economy and military in the last century, nearly every Chinese family has the horrible memory or lost family member during that time, my grandma's brother was killed by Japanese, and he was not even a soldier! Japan's unapoligitic stance makes everything much easier, there's no emotional complications, we just want revenge, no matter what, fifty years, 100 years, we have time, Chinese military budget is already twice as Japan and 1/5 as US and still growing at 15% every year, I believe in my lifetime, the entire NATO and Japanese military force combined in East Asia will be drawfed by Chinese military, and that's when the justice will be finally realized and our slaugtered ancestors finally rest in peace, so if I was Japanese government, I would try everything to tear China apart into pieces (too late though), and make nuclear weapon, America's nuclear umbrella promise is a joke, the best way to test it would be China nuking Japan right know, see if US would give a shit about a already ruined place that they nuked twice themselves and risk nuclear retaliation, but even Japan has nuclar weapon, it's still irelevant, Japan is 1/26 of China, China is prety much alive after the Japanese islands sink, so no matter how today's incident ends, it's the one of the last good times for Japan, cherish and enjoy it!

Bro, your anger is very disturbing for me. I am from Czech Republic. During 20th century we were occupied twice. First German army during World War II, than Soviet army (mainly after 1968). There were huge repsession, jailing, sending to labor camps. All that fear from Gestapo or STB. Many people died, war heroes were sending to jail during communist dictatorship. And despite that fact, nowdays, we have good relationships both Germany and Russia.

And by the way, China has numbers on its side, but haven´t got tactical experiences with leading war.

It makes no sense to compare Czech of population at 10m with China at 1,300,000,000. Czech is a small landlocked country surrounded by four other continental ones. Its understood that whenever there was conflict among the big aggressors, Czech could be easily overwhelmed or even engulfed by the stronger party. The world peace has given Czech a chance to become an integral state. Despite all the bitter war experiences, Czech, being a small country should have a easy mentality to get over the traumas. China is very different. China is a very big country but has rarely lived up to the expectation of a big player. Since the time China was found weak in military by UK in Opium wars that the west continued their attack and looting of the country. Even the neighbouring little Japan, after learning the skill from the west, joined the gang to rob China, their previous mentor. Tens of millions died. More were made homeless. China, once touted itself the middle kingdom was almost torn apart by the west and Japan to be colonies. The humiliation was huge and profound. The crimes done have never got compensated. The damage on the national pride is deep. Again, I would ask "where is the justice?" Many posters dont like my repeating this statement. But I dont care. This is a cold case not only in China but also in the world. Thats why many Chinese have strong views about any foreigner bully. What the Chinese can do is to wait. Wait until 1.3b people got rich and the nation's military clout is second to none. Then, the mentality of Chinese may be healed. In the meantime, please try to understand why the Chinese are sometimes so angry on issue like the Diaoyu Islands.

"5. The Government of the People's Republic of China declares that in the interest of the friendship between the Chinese and the Japanese peoples, it renounces its demand for war reparation from Japan."

Source: Joint Communiqué of the Government of Japan and the Government of the People's Republic of China (1972)

I have told you already, thats MAO's wish at that time. The people had a different view. Such view is still there IMO and I am not interested to elaborate about this point. This is clearly shown everywhere.

And I thought you were down to earth...
Strong emotions have hardly ever been rational, have they?

Reading through yingnam's elegy I can empathize. From an emotional point of view his argument is even rational.
And historically in many cultures it's been an eye for an eye, not that unusual really.
The question is where this kind of reaction gets you?
Gandhi famously said "An eye for an eye will make the world go blind." But then, as you said, Chinese don't like to learn from smelly brown people (only joking ;)...

I have no sympathy at all. Why it justifies China's expansion and bullying of smaller players. When China invades it justified, because smaller countries are used to being humiliated. The Vietnam have borne the brunt of China's actions, but have to take it because they are short pygmies.

White people are so superior to smelly brown people that you can teach brown people about their own spirituality. I hate tell you this, but its racist and patronizing. That is why I hate your spirituality, because frankly I am sick and tired of your stuffing down your faux spirituality down people's throat. I get insulted everyday by you white / yellow people, and I can't take it anymore. Maybe I should jump in pile of manure, and do the only thing brown people are good at, being smelly. Only brown people can make good Yogis, because if people can tolerate the stench they can accept what every garbage you spew out. Its more efficient that way. You white people, will actually have to knock on the door. This raises all kinds of unpleasant situation. Unless you are willing to roll in a pile of manure everyday, drop the pretension white boy, and stick with handing out bibles.

If everyone one was to act like the Chinese, the whole world will be asshole central. Imagine how the Poles would be. Protesting all the time at Russia/Germans. Trust me if there is a country that has been humiliated its the Poles. They are not a small country (40 Million). And people like Daveycool say that more people should protest about past humiliation, because that is normal. Maybe the Vietnamese should whine about 900 year occupation by China, ditto for the Irish with the British.

What do you mean with "Intesting"?
I've been away on the weekend, so while I tracked your comments on my mobile, I didn't reply yet...

What can I say? Certainly that I didn't want to offend you in any way when I suggested it was more likely that you'd be Chinese than Indian for taking such an interest in Chinese affairs (and more importantly, being so knowledgable about E Asian issues).
And apart from the fact that my assumption was rather simple-minded (as you have pointed out), really, it's just the pot calling the kettle black. I mean, what business do I have commenting on high IQ East Asian issues (or Indian issues for that matter)? I don't even have a clue compared to you!
And it's certainly none of my immediate business - except of course if I make it so by moving to China and wanting to learn more about China (and India). For me it's just my personal interest (based on my interest in spirituality) while for you it might have been an academic or professional career. At least, I think I recognize I can learn something from an elder like you. And have some fun along the way too... ;D

You're right it's been a privilege of white people to be ahead of the rest scientifically and economically for some time now (and showing that off in bad ways), but that tide is turning. And I don't mind that at all. I'm not xenophobic, rather I like to explore different cultures and mind sets. I've spent years backpacking the globe on my own, and during that time I never considered myself to be different from the locals whose places I visited. You don't really have a skin colour as long as you don't look into a mirror (or have some mental obsession)...
You see, I've married a Chinese girl. At the time I was just about the only backpacker in her city of a few million. And I would have just as happily married an Indian girl too. It makes no difference to me. I don't care about my skin as long as it's not giving me skin cancer! ;)

Really what does it mean to be Indian or Chinese or British in the 20th and 21st century? Not much any more as far as I'm concerned. One is born in some place with some genetic qualities derived from one's physical parents - that's all. As one grows up, one gets conditioned by the society that one lives in and stays in that environment or one moves on. And there's ever more people moving on:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postnationalism

I like to think that we are postnationals (have you met Pico Iyer coincidentally?). And you are an elder, so I can learn from you. If you're of Indian descendance, that's cuter still. You know that I have a soft spot for India. I like to learn from the likes of Buddha, Gandhi, Vivekananda and Krishnamurti more than from anyone else. On the other hand, it would almost be a pity if you're Indian too. Why? I really have to find an enlightened Chinese shi'fu in this life time. Otherwise what would have been the karmic significance of falling in love with a Chinese girl?

P.S.
I'm in no position to teach you anything about spirituality, rather I'm learning from you. I was just being silly posting these links. They were meant to be taken light-heartedly.
I mean this Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, he's a real joker, isn't he?
And these Tibetans are ever so serious about spirituality.
Spirituality is a vast field to explore. And I'm still at it...

If Diaoyu islands were really part of Okinawa, why did Japan only claim the islands as parts of Okinawa AFTER they defeated China in the naval battle in 1894?
After China lost its sea power, Japan could claim whatever it liked in the East China Sea since there was no way China could stop its aggression. It is just like after the Pearl Harbor Attack and before the Battle of Midway, Japan could claim whatever islands U.S. held in the Pacific.

From your link :
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the Japanese government was about to make a protest to Taiwan, but one can only say that their legs were kicked out from under them when, foolishly, a mistake was committed by the director-general of the Japanese Coast Guard in ordering AN APOLOGY to be made.
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foolishly, a mistake was committed by Beijing Map Publishing Co.

You know, when the only thing in a person's mind is politics and class struggle, stupidity is inevitable.

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ewakorn,

You ARE a good chinese, sorry for offending you before, I just can't take "free" media because I believe the long time damage by them to a society is comparable to CR.

First, you wrote that the Chinese had no objections to the San Fransisco Conference of 1971 awarding the admin to Japan

Then you contradict yourself and said that the Chinese made a claim to the Diayu in 1968 BECAUSE --- If the Chinese had claimed Diayu in 1968, --- why should they not object to the awarding of the admin to Japan in 1971 ???????????

I don’t know how old you are, and how long you study and carefully follow international affairs, but without your knowledge, China has been careless over the islands for a LONG LONG LONG time up until 1968. You should go look for old Chinese maps issued by Chinese. It clearly stated those are Japanese.

In the past, there was not so many dispute over the islands. Maybe some Chinese fishermen mistakenly approached to the islands and those were not big issues for both countries.

However, Chinese gov’t increased the interest in owing the islands and it sounds like they revised the history, which you now beleive.

One unfortunate consequence of such claims is the gov’t totally misled its people ended up unnecessary violence in front of the whole world.

If Diaoyu islands were really part of Okinawa, why did Japan only claim the islands as parts of Okinawa AFTER they defeated China in the naval battle in 1894?

After China lost its sea power, Japan could claim whatever it liked in the East China Sea since there was no way China could its aggression. It is just like after the Pearl Harbor Attack and before the Battle of Midway, Japan could claim whatever islands U.S. held in the Pacific.

The Chinese people have the right to be patriotic, but I do agree qualitatively there could be more improvements in mass demonstration. But why doesn't the Japanese choose to cooperate, why?

Escalating the island row have caused PRC ships to enter into water north in close proximity of Taiwan island. With this precedence, it will definitely be a infringement on Taiwan's national security without any gain on Taiwan's behalf. Does the Japanese think that was optimal for the Taiwanese people?

Again, why does not the Japanese cooperate with Taiwan? Japan's unilateral action have caused damages to Taiwan and don't try to write that off.

60% vote mean people want the status quo, but Japan's rabid gambling is destroying that and putting other people at risk. We support island row, Hong Konger also support island row, but don't eat our tofu~

Also during this time alot of presumable 50 cents appeared in Taiwanese forum, being very very very acquainted with communist tactics (for the last 85 years!), it's actually not anything unsuspecting. But please respect the aspiration of a genuine Chinese democracy.

"But why doesn't the Japanese choose to cooperate, why?"
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Because Japan is not a free agent. It is a faithful dog of the US. The latter had instructed the Japanese government to act provocatively towards China just like it had incited and urged Philippines and Vietnam to go to war against China.

The Chinese propaganda agent speaks from the Chinese Embassy in London? You really should stop referring to people as dogs, that rhetoric went out with Chairman Mao and it indicates low intelligence of the propagandist.

The Chinese propaganda agent speaks from the Chinese Embassy in London? You really should stop referring to people as dogs, that rhetoric went out with Chairman Mao and it indicates low intelligence of the propagandist.

The historical claims should be irrelevant. Otherwise any country can claim sovereignty based on their convenient history. If Mongol claim, "Mongol empire once conquered whole part of China, so Mongol has sovereignty over all part of China." What do you feel? Ancient chinese kingdoms has no relationship with present China. The modern state of China has just started in the 1950.
"The 1969 map, produced by the People's Republic of China map authority and labeled “confidential,” lists the islands as “Senkaku,” the Japanese name, and contains a dividing line south of the islands indicating that they fall within Japanese territory."
Read more: Inside the Ring - Washington Times http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/sep/15/inside-the-ring-14588996...
A chinese woman, president of IT company, mentioned this fact by weibo (chinese twitter) and said CCP has no legitimacy, was she? Many people agreed what she said. But the original message has deleted already (demn! internet censorship!)
I wonder what is she doing right now. Is she safe? Is she receiving brainwashing or torturing process? I feel really sorry about her...

The Japanese took control of the three island in 1895 during the first Sino-Japanese War, through the signature of Shimonoseki.

After the sino-japanese war of 1937-1945 ,Japan surrendered unconditionally ,Taiwan and diaoyu island were gave back to china.(Cairo declaration and the Potsdam proclamation)

During cold war, American break previous deals and put the diaoyu islands under their administration.(Agreement on Trusteeship of the Archipelago Entrusted by Japan)

In 1970, American military forces transferred the executive power on the Okinawa Islands to Japan, including the Diaoyu Islands along with them.
American government said that it had only transferred the power of jurisdiction to Japan not sovereignty.

What I am giving here is historical facts and documents that prove diaoyu Islands belongs to China.
And you only give me a newsreport which authenticity is questionable.
If you wish to convince me, please try harder.

The Diaoyu islands were not mentioned in the Cairo Declaration -- but so weren't other islands then occupied by Japan in Pacific and East China Sea.

For example, the Cairo Declaration did not mention anything about the Saipan Island. But the absence didn't prevent U.S. from taking the island from Japan and administering it until today.

But the Potsdam Declaration did indeed imply that the Diaoyu Islands are not parts of Japan since Japan was confined to the 4 main islands -- Hokkaido, Honshu, Kyushu and Shikoku -- by the Allied Powers.

Even islands like Russia-administered Habomai, which you can see from the northern tip of Hokkaido that had already been a part of Japan before 1855, was stripped of Japan per Potsdam Declaration. So how can Diaoyu Islands, which are thousands miles from Tokyo, considered part of Japan per Potsdam Declaration?

There was not a dang thing said or implied about the Senkakus.
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And you keep dodging the reference to minor islands in the declaration.
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What does "thousands of miles from Tokyo" mean? I am not even certain the statement is true. Believe the islands are like less than 600 miles from Kyushu.
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The Soviets weren't part of the declaration since they were not at war with Japan during the Potsdam Conference.
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The Soviets kept what they took and pitched out the Japanese residents in the S. Kurils.
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And that reality won't change. The Soviets got it by right of conquest, secured by a population transfer that interjects the issue of self-determination now.
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As for Saipan, Japan acquired it after WWI, and the US seized it through combat in 1944, at the height of the Pacific War.
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I suspect it was treated as a historical colonial acquisition. After the war, the Japanese citizens were kicked out and a trust territory was set up for the residents (it was an inhabited island). Since then Saipan is part of the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands, and is a self-governing territory under a local representative democratic government.

We all know that for China and Japan, two Asian countries have many similarities in culture, it will be extremely difficult for either country's government to show any weakness on the issue of sovereignty, because both people will not accept it.
The problem is, who left this touchy problems in Asian Pacific region 50 years ago？

In 1971/72, Taiwanese and Hong Kongers started complaining US's decision to assign Japan with the administrative power to oversee Okinawa and Diaoyu Islands. Fourty years ago! Since then, the demonstration has been an on going action targeting on the Diaoyu Islands issue.

It's not funny ,you didn't know the truth,and you didn't know the history.The Diaoyu Island are an intergral part of Chinese territory.Ｄｏ ｙｏｕ know world war 2 ? Japanese even don't admit they have ever invaded China in world war 2 . Japan not honest . You should read more book about history ,and listen more ,and think more .
Very sorry for that I am not good at English. I really want tell you more .
Any question ,You can send mail to me. my email address : mikequan@yeah.net

Yes, I don't know about the truth about who has the right to claim Senkaku (or Diaoyu). I'm not Chinese either Japanese. What I mean is, while China illegally claiming the islands of SEA region, it also has to face the same situation with Japan. And that's kind of funny to me.

Yes, I don't know about the truth about who has the right to claim Senkaku (or Diaoyu). I'm not Chinese either Japanese. What I mean is, while China illegally claiming the islands of SEA region, it also has to face the same situation with Japan. And that's kind of funny to me.

You can also find it funny for the SE asias countries arguing among one another over the control of islands in the region too. I think you can have enough stuff to laugh all day long. A childish guy. Hahaha.

So do you think China has the right to claim it all. How come? So China just draws some ridiculous lines on the map and claim it their lands. It's like a bully who takes candies from others and now his candy is taken by someone else.

Where was a Massacre! All western diplomates in Beijing said it was NOT a Massacre. and have you been in Tiananmen during the protest? And why you are not get shot when you were there.
Former Chancellor Schmidt talked to Western diplomates in Beijing about Tiananmen massacre, have you?

Former Chancellor Schmidt defends Tiananmen massacre (in German)

"...The military had been attacked with stones and Molotov cocktails and had fought with weapons, Schmidt said the "Time" magazine. The Red Cross estimated the death toll of 2600 he considered "grossly exaggerated". Ambassador in Beijing had estimated the number much lower..."

Are we in the West --and elsewhere in the developed, civilized world--- would ever wake up to the undeterred intentions of the Chinese to conquer the world, as it is being thought in their educational system?
First it was Tibet, then East Turkmenistan, on-going claims over Taiwan and aggressive intentions in the South China Sea?
… What are we waiting for? … They are already invading with economic migrants every corner of the world, from most of Africa to Greenland, from small Italian and Spanish towns to suburbs of Mexico City…
Are we going to speak in history books in 50 years’ time of the (slow and invisible) Chinese invasion of the world?

Do you know where are the islands in SEA located? They are located in a place universally named as South China Sea for centuries.Think more why it is South China Sea but not Philippine Sea, Vietnam Sea or Indonesian Sea. Obviously, China would have a legitimate claims to those islands in South China Sea for historical reasons.

Why shouldn't the concerned countries talk for an co-operative plan to develop the places but try to claim them exclusively?

You will be safe in here.
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American robot Curiosity landed in Marz. Chinese is not yet in the moon.
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Deep sea exploration is China's and Japan's strong. So don't go there.
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BTW China is a big country of 1.3 B people, a 1/5 of world population. No one can ignore its presence since many century ago (15th century ).
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You might have magnified the differences in purpose. The Taiwanese ancestors' are from Fukien and Hakha. Other than the politics they have evolved to have multi party system, their economics are closely intertwined with the mainland. They even seem to cooperate in action against Japan. What else can you suggest to tell the difference? Perhaps you hate to see their unification for sure. Come on guy, you have to face the reality.

"ABOUT three thousand protesters gathered outside Shanghai’s Japanese consulate on September 16th. The young crowd, mostly aged 20-35"

None of the protestors were alive in WW2, yet there is this anger & hatred. When will people let go. The past is the past & nothing can be done about it. The fact that this youthful crowd is going on the way they are - shows that hatred will continue for another generation. When will it end?

What do you say if the Germans put Hitler and other war criminals in a church and allow them to be worshiped by everyone, including politicians and even Ms Merkel herself? Will European nations forgive Germany? It not that the Chinese or the Koreans do not want to forgive, but Japan is keeping the anger alive by how it deals with war time history.

No, I think the violent protesters are in fact doing a disservice to their cause. But to answer Moniseur Napoleon1798’s question regarding the reason for lingering anger and not letting go. That is why.

Do you mean they both have the same goal at the back of their mind? Fair and justice. Down with the hegemony. Down with the unfair arrangement made to take away the Diaoyu Islands from China. If so, I agree.

Do you know why the Japanese government never admit and apologize their wrongdoings during the second world war and always appears to be the victim of the atomic bombs? When the time is ripen and they are strong enough, they will deny everything and take revenge against all who had bombed them and defeated them during the second world war.
Watch about the second world war in youtube, you will understand more.

But the muslims use explosives. Chinese use only the eggs, tomatoes, plastic water bottles, etc. Compared to that done by muslims, the Chinese performance still has a lot to be desired. Any suggestion from your side? China's development is hinged on the demand for Chinese products and not the other way around. Get a life and dont just stay there dreaming.

Innocent Japanese civilians working in China were beaten. The rest are hiding or leaving the country. Even some Chinese who worked in Japanese companies or owned Japanese cars were beaten. You are obviously brainwashed by your bias media. Unfortunatly, I witnessed some of your countrymen (mostly men) running around like the monkeys they are. I used to stick up for Chinese, but now I think I'll take the Japanese side. I see the Chinese as the same kind of people as the Japanese were during WWII: nationalistic nutcases.

To be honest, China is not strong enough in economic strenght, so the little Japanese dare to bully us and steal our island. If we were powerful contry like US, dare the Little Japanese to say "No" to China? Hope that day comes earlier, we have had enough of it!

What better way to mobilize your people to support you in election time. Remember how Margaret Thatcher regain her lead in election in the 80s? All because of Falkland island. Perhaps you are too young to know about it.

It's time for Japan to get a nuke. That's the only way the Chinese will understand.]

And the only way to make the Japanese understand is a Rape of Tokyo:

{[Kara no Kyoukai reply to Pacific 15th, 04:30
China never defeated Japan. Japan surrendered only to the United States. ]

There is some truth in your statement and it only confirms what many believe, which is that the Japanese only respects BRUTE FORCE. There is also some eerie similarity in mentality between the Japan of today and Germany between the World Wars.

After WWI, the German army felt "betrayed" by their politicians, who surrendered "without being militarily defeated". As a result the German right-wing did not feel obliged to accept the terms of their defeat. All that changed after WWII, in which Germany was not only soundly defeated but did so by its main victim-- USSR. The Rape of Berlin woke up the Germans so much that the denial of the Holocaust became a crime in Germany.

The fact that the main victims of Imperial Japan-- China, Korea-- did not actually militarily defeated Japan now make the Japanese right-wing arrogant. They feel that they are superior to their former victims while instinctively submitting to their white conquerors. It will have to take a "Rape of Tokyo" to bring them to their senses.

Needless to say, your statement above merely admits that, of the War in the Pacific and East Asia, only the part between Japan and the US is settled. The part between Japan and its Asian victims is still unfinished and remains suspended. Like the war in Europe, it will take a 2nd session to bring it to conclusion. Fortunately, unlike the first session, this 2nd session will be fought when the aggressor, Japan, will be weak while its victims, China, Korea and other Asian countries, will be strong. THAT will be poetic justice done!}

Whatever, Chinese people should not resort to these voilence in the name of patriotism. Ever since, voilence is not the ultimate way to solve problems, otherwise, it would fuel more hatred between the both.
Many people advocate to boycott the products made in Japan, however, we must admit that compared to Japanese products, Chinese ones are way worse in quality. Therefore, the ultimate way to boycott the products made in Japan is to strenghten our own products, from powder milk to cooking oil and from bridges to houses.

I consider your remark is rather biased and unfriendly to China. Remember that the general public require goods of enough functionality and not quality alone. Price consideration is also an important concern. Thats why Chinese products are the most sought after. Of course, I agree that the demonstrations should be conducted in a rational manner and no violence be used. But we cant exclude some extreme cases, can we? Which country has shown you the violence free demonstrations? It will be irrational to request a gentleman like protest while the anger is going through the rooftop.

Do you really think that we sacrifice the quality of products in order to cut down the price to an acceptable exent? Or is it because someone put the bloody monney into their own pockets so that the food become poisonous or the houses fall down easily in an earthquake or the brigdes break down in only one year?
Moreover, since the quality is too low how can we guarantee the functionality? Consider the poisonous power milk, which should be used to feed babies turns out to be the killer.
Of course the technique we possess is another reason that cannot be ignored when it comes to the electronic products.
Regard to the violence, I am not denying its urging effect. It's just the blind voilence that worries me a lot because the blind voilence costs innocent damage. You know, some people just take the advantage in the chaos to steal things. And remember that the voilence is never the only way to express anger.

Please don't take me wrong. By "free country" I mean people in the US have the freedom of speech, unlike in China. So even if I don't agree with the Bush's war tactic, I could still shout it out. But in China, better be careful.

If Japan dare to send millitary vessels to Diaoyu, there is no other way of resolving the issue but war. Japan never appologized for its invation in WWII and decades of killing in China before that time. Now is time for pay back.

"Japan never appologized for its invation in WWII and decades of killing in China before that time. "

The fact is Japan has apologyzed many times.
Perhaps you are just an ignorant.
Or CCP did not disclose it to the people of China, because Mao thanked Japan for fighting against Chiang which enabled Mao to conquer China and establish communist dictatorship.

Verbal apology is not enough. Reparation to the Chinese civilians is still awaited. Mao thanked Japan. If that is the case, Japan should thank Mao for fighting the Korean war which resulted that US helped Japan to rebuild its country so quickly. Japan got help from US since its Meiji era. So soon that it led the joint-armies to attack China in the Boxers rebellion. Thereafter, many attacks took place. It looted China for so long that the Japanese got rich and healthy. Chinese became so poor and under nutrition. They leeched on China for so long without proper reparation after WWII. US has been on their side most of the time except a little time of turf fight in WWII. Chinese should know about this. Nothing much the Chinese could do at the present moment but continue to work hard and learn hard to become a genuine world power. The bitter experience is perhaps our best drive to remain united and vigilant. Go work hard fellows!

Verbal apology is not enough. Reparation to the Chinese civilians is still awaited. Mao thanked Japan. If that is the case, Japan should thank Mao for fighting the Korean war which resulted that US helped Japan to rebuild its country so quickly. Japan got help from US since its Meiji era. So soon that it led the joint-armies to attack China in the Boxers rebellion. Thereafter, many attacks took place. It looted China for so long that the Japanese got rich and healthy. Chinese became so poor and under nutrition. They leeched on China for so long without proper reparation after WWII. US has been on their side most of the time except a little time of turf fight in WWII. Chinese should know about this. Nothing much the Chinese could do at the present moment but continue to work hard and learn hard to become a genuine world power. The bitter experience is perhaps our best drive to remain united and vigilant. Go work hard fellows!

Mao also thanked KMT for leaving equipments and supplies to PLA.
What really provoked us is the attitude of Japanese. They apology when needed, and visit war crimes in Yasukini Shrine after several weeks. None of these apologies is secere.

Ah, you want MONEY!
And you represent all those anti-Japanese demonstrators? Is it what your current government wants too?
Now I understand that your friends and comorades attacked Japanese supermarkets/department stores and looting Rolex, Gucci, etc., etc. And of course it was not enough for you?
well well well.
By the way, you now at least recognize that Japan have repeatedly apologyzed for their invasion into China, because there are many stupid posters here who do not even know such fact.
I laugh at your low morality period

Well, you can laugh the way you want. I feel pity for you. A guy dont have any respect for the war deads and their families. You have missed the words I said about the need to make reparation. What the fuxking use of making verbal apologies? Show them the money is much better. For those hooligans looting the shops, the Chinese cops will go after them, dont worry. Besides, the loss might be covered by the insurance. I again peel pity for your indifference about the reason for the Chinese to conduct these demonstrations. Its the show of national anger against Japan's act to annex the Diaoyu Islands. I wish your disrepectful laughters would choke you to be hospitalized. What a shame!

Idiot! Then you must complain to your beloved Mao who abandoned the right of reparation, do not complain to the Japanese. Do not attack Japanese resident in China or loot Japanese shops or set fire on Japanese restaurants!
Japan paid reparation to all other Asian nations including Korea, of course, except China.

Where are your laughters, Sandaman? Mao represented only the party and not the civilians. People want justice via reparation and the Japanese must be held for the outstanding payment. And Japanese cannot walk away just like that. If they dont settle this, generation after generation of the Chinese will go after this. I repeat the word again, it is the "justice" that will linger on forever if unsettled. Couple with the Diaoyu Islands issue, this new hatred coupled with the old hatred has sparked off these demonstrations. When will the Japanese locate their conscience and do something positively right?

And do you think China will ever apologize for Tibet and destroying the Tibetan culture? and East Turkmenistan? I doubt it will even happen!
So why don't you just get realistic about China and its intentions, and leave Japan alone with their Senkaku Islands.

Yeah, I understand that as long as there are fanatics lik you in mass, the issue will never ned.
Citizens are those who used to be red guards who killed millions of fellow Chinese with insanity and so called patriotism, not with laws, because even today there are no laws in China to prevent attacking shops, looting Rolex, setting fire on factories.
It is no use arguing with fanatics like you who have no laws to respect. China has his own rules, but the international society does not accept. We must wait another 100 years till your citizen catch up with modern society.

Yeah, I understand that as long as there are fanatics lik you in mass, the issue will never ned.
Citizens are those who used to be red guards who killed millions of fellow Chinese with insanity and so called patriotism, not with laws, because even today there are no laws in China to prevent attacking shops, looting Rolex, setting fire on factories.
It is no use arguing with fanatics like you who have no laws to respect. China has his own rules, but the international society does not accept. We must wait another 100 years till your citizen catch up with modern society.

Referring to your last few posts. You are definitely a guy to think by your ass. Its no use to challenge me to repeat what I have said here to CCP. Actually, anyone in CCP can read my comment here. What is the difference. Dont show your stupidity to suggest anything like waving banner, etc. Why should I do that? Besides, your continuous laughters are too fake to be true. Please stop pretending. If you are angry, show it on paper. Do hide it in a childish way. I despise childish person.

Things are never what they seem in China. The animosity towards Japan is genuine and well-founded. Yet anyone who thinks these protests are a spontaneous outpouring by the grassroots is dreaming. Such demonstrations do not happen in China without the tacit approval and organisation of the government. I was at the Shanghai protest in 2005 and I have never seen anything so weird. It was so obviously choreographed and stage-managed. The event lacked all spontaneity and was something like what I imagine the fascist rallies of the 1930s were like. Even the violence was choreographed: a ring of police surrounded the Japanese consulate, but a group of men was allowed inside the cordon to stand on top of an outbuilding, from which they pelted the consulate with rocks throughout the demonstration.

The hatred for Japan is heart-felt and has a concrete basis in the historic wartime crimes, but it has been twisted and manipulated by a political system and government that is obsessed with mind control and its own survival. Japan committed crimes in China and it still has issues, no doubt, in confronting and acknowledging its wartime role. But, the war was a long time ago, Japan is a different society, and anything that might show the Japanese in a slightly more positive light -- such as them being the biggest donors of aid to China -- is suppressed by China's government-controlled media. In the weeks before the 2005 protests, China's state TV pumped out an endless series of documentaries obsessing and dwelling on Japan's wartime atrocities.

Japan is the gimp that China's government keeps in the cupboard under the stairs and brings out to dance when it feels the people need to blow off a bit of steam. These demonstrations are all pantomime, in my view. I've been to demonstrations in the West and I've seen how violent and unpredictable they can be, I've learned to recognise when there is menace in the air. China's protests have none of that atmosphere: they are the cavorting theatrics of a neutered population.

The truth is that demonisation of foreigners and a victim identity are an essential part of the national psyche that the Communist Party has created and fostered. It gives them a twisted view of the outside world - most of which is actually sympathetic to China's cause. The more they have bought into the system, the more twisted and paranoid they tend to be.

Like most foreigners, I am sympathetic to China's historic wounds. But I find the endless self-pitying and whining a huge turn-off, particularly when combined with a hostile and paranoid world view that envelopes so many other countries as accomplices in a plot to oppress China. It is classic victim psychology: an obsessive focus on one's own suffering and a total ability to feel empathy for anyone else's.

I feel distaste for the Japan protests because they are to such a great extent manipulated, manufactured and dishonest. They also mask the real causes of tension and dissatisfaction in Chinese society, which are closer to home. One day the Chinese people may stop acting and start showing their real feelings. Then we may see something altogether more powerful, and terrifying.

Good post. Nothing can be ruled out in this period of war, revolution and counter-revolution. The murderous "communist" bureaucracy have got bigger internal trouble on their hands. At a certain point, the political differencies will overshadow everything else and a great upheaval will overcome the country. I predict that the split in the CP will manifest itself on the streets, and the revolutionary upheaval that will follow will make the past uprisings look like a picnic.
The Chinese masses will return to the road of the socialist revolution, and no force shall stop them!
Workers of China and Japan unite! The enemy is your own exploiters!

The mainland Chinese have a huge victim hood mentality. And many of the Chinese posters here are world class experts. Its gotten to the point of the absurd. I mentioned that how an old Indonesian villager hated the Japanese, but then I explained how it did not compared with hatred shown by some of the protesters. Then I get a lecture by someone, telling all the bad things the Japanese done, and the protesters have a right to feel upset and angry, as if to say that they should feel more angry than someone who actually experienced Japanese brutality. Many of the young Chinese posters are whining windbags who are so caught up in their own silly little pitiful world.

Your basis of war crimes is groundless. It is just Chinese propaganda. CCP is simply blaming the atrocities it committed to its own people during the war onto the Japanese. Chinese history is 99% lies. Poor Japanese ... but they need to stand up and assert themselves 100 times more.

Did you? In that case you must be well over 70 years old, since World War II ended in 1945. I have seen documentaries and I have read history books, so I think I have a fairly good idea. Let me ask you: Do you know what happened in Europe in the Second World War? Do you care? People in Europe are not still obsessing about what happened in the war. They have moved on.

"but it has been twisted and manipulated by a political system and government that is obsessed with mind control and its own survival."
Every one twist the fact, the Japanese and Englishmen like you are like to talk about occupied China is to improve Chinese life...
What a joke...
London riot in Summer was orchestrated by foreign power and foreigners

I am too worried on the possible outcome of catastrophe on humanities in general and on Chinese and Japanese people in particular. The Chinese people are trapped in their own history.

The Chinese government, instead of looking at the legitimate anger/hate straight on and lead the Chinese people away from it, is abusing people's genuine emotions to enhance its own legitimacy. It needs to do more while it still has the authority, for the sake of Chinese people, and for the future of humanity.

China does not need the hyper-nationalism as a unifying force. The fact of the matter is that with a stable government (CCP or non-CCP) no other country, not Japan, not the US, would dare to venture into her territory.

"One day the Chinese people may stop acting and start showing their real feelings. Then we may see something altogether more powerful, and terrifying."
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If what you said is true, then the managed demonstrations should be mild and risks free. Accordingly, its true that if CCP relaxes the control, the demonstrators would go wild and the situation might spin out of control. Fortunately, that will never happen. Not only China has the well trained and equipped cops, but also the people know that they will mess up their lives if they go too far. Keeping the harmony is still the best choice for most of the people. But showing anger and unity against the foreign aggressor is crucial and perhaps overdue.

this is the only fair and even handed post so far. Bardamu, thank you. By the way, speaking as a person of Chinese descent, you don't have to be Chinese to see all matter China with clarity and understanding. All reasonable persons can do it. Conversely, just being Chinese do not confer exclusive right to speak on matters involving China -- if they are not thinking clearly.

If you are trying to make me more pro-China, it is working. Japan's atrocities in China are documented historical facts. The whole world knows what happened there.]

May I suggest that the "China" in "Japan's atrocities in China are documented historical facts" be replaced by "East Asia including China"? Otherwise, some people might think that you are trying to diminish the scale of the atrocities committed by Japan's Imperial Army.

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If you are trying to make me more pro-China, it is working. Japan's atrocities in China are documented historical facts. The whole world knows what happened there.]

May I suggest that the "China" in "Japan's atrocities in China are documented historical facts" be replaced by "East Asia including China"? Otherwise, some people might think that you are trying to diminish the scale of the atrocities committed by Japan's Imperial Army. Or, for your anti-militarism to be dismissed as merely "pro-China stance".

Noda is trying to fish in troubled water for hia election interests. It is not wise because but now, there are 1000 fishing boats in the area. If Noda wants further troubles by harassing these fishing folks, the boats will be equiped with Silkworm missiles the next time.

oh man,
they are not yet equipped with silkworm but already equipped with machineguns for sure.
those fishermen are either army reservists or former red gurds and their sons.
they are happy to die for the party.

The US occupiers may have exonerated the War crimes of the Japs militarists in exchange for germ warfare technologies. But don't toy with the feelings of the fishing folks because they will fight for their rights to fish as they have done so for many hundreds of years without harassment from foreign powers.

it did not apply to Senkaku for hundred years.
they did so in Vietnam recently and consequently Chinese Marine occupied the territory of Vietnam. it is their tactics to send fishing boats to the disputed area and if accidents happen then the army.

I wonder what the German managers of Audi think of their employees associating the company's logo with a banner that encourages murder and racial hatred? I think the bounds of German-Chinese friendship may be tested in this case.

In an ordinary sense in the civilized countries where there is a rule by law, they can be fired. But China is in that sense a very underdeveloped country. No law applies for those acts of patriotism. If Aude HQ instruct the manager to dismiss those stupid employees, the showroom will be set on fire immediately by the patriots like the case of Toyota in Tianjin.

Audi HQ is not silent. They released the following statement through its Japanese subsidiary.

“We wish to categorically distance ourselves from this action. We believe that, as a company, it is not our place to comment on political matters. This is the job of politicians. However, we distance ourselves from any use of violence and advocate dialogue and diplomacy.”

This affair has more to do with CCP internal power struggle than any strategic action by the Beijing Government. Beijing had no reason or need to bring this issue to a head prematurely, since time was on their side.
I actually sense impeccable timing by Japan's prime minister Noda to time his provocation at a time when neither China (Due to October leadership change) nor the US (Due to November elections) could back down if the issue comes to a boil.