"DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO"

Let's start with something we can all agree on, we're alive, we have a mind but we are also physical beings and one day the physical being will cease to exist. Now class, this is not a philosophical question it's a personal question.The question is what do you think will happen to you after you're physical body dies.

Now I will answer that my soul will go to Heaven and I will live in paradise for all eternity. Now I want your belief on what will happen to you. Not putting down someone else but what you believe.

When I die I will be dead, end of story. I would say that I would go into the dirt but that's not the case. I have donated my remains to medical science and they will burn and dispose of what remains.

As to the paradise so many look forward to, I am trying to enjoy mine while still alive. I understand the need some people have to believe that there is a better world waiting for them when they die. I don't understand why so many of them insist on being miserable and hateful during their time here on earth.

I believe what gets referred to as the soul is really in the brain. Also our emotions. It has been shown that various drugs can alter brain activity, thinking, behaviour, personality etc. There is no physical evidence that a soul outside the body exists. The thoughts/feelings etc are a function of the neurotransmitters etc in the brain, not the heart.

Our bodies are made up of biological chemicals that get broken down and reutlised in something else.

Do consider what happened to the perfect man-Job. No one has even come close since that time.

By definition, *everything* 'God' does is good. Therefore, a person who does everything *right* can lovingly, justly, and righteously be consigned to an eternity in Hell where the 'worm dieth not and the flames will not be quenched.'

Or, the Xian can be subject to the 'eternal dire consequences' promised by all sorts of other deity constructs. In which case the Xian becomes the pass around play toy of a bunch of celestial toddlers. Everyone knows what happens to the toys of toddlers.

All are mere actors in a pointless play hitting their marks and spouting their lines as scripted eons ago when 'God' furiously ejaculated the universe into being.

Yep, you can't do anything except what I, God, have scripted and everything is your fault for which you must be punished. 'Divine Plan' and omni characteristics.

and your belief comforts you?perhaps you do not know what a belief is supposed to do for a person. We are supposed to pick one that works for us and makes us happier than we would normally be.I know all about job, even the hidden things. People have come close and committed suicide because they did not have God in their life. Stock market crash of 1987 for instance.The worm dieth not means the worm will complete its job of devouring until nothing is left. and the fire not be quenched means that it shall not be put out until it has done its job. These are not states of eternity. Only God knows what eternity is, only God can relate to eternity, our flesh likes eternity when it comes to punishing the wicked but God a loving spirit doesn't want the wicked first of all being immortal and second occupying space where God would have to ignore. We speak of what the lake of fire is for.When speaking of bible people often forget that of 3,000 prophecies fulfilled, there are only a few left, one is jesus return as king, this the jews understand more nowadays, they wanted him back then but he came as a servant to usher in a new way, also prophesied. No other book has prophecy or a man who worked miracles. The bible rules as the word of God.

Listen carefully, you lack belief in all other deities not yours. I lack belief in those deities, too. I also lack belief in yours.

A lack of belief is not a belief. There's more than a binary situation-no matter how important you think it is. Christ, like Santa Claus, are merely things some people believe in while others do not.

In other words, "bald is not a hair colour" and "not stamp collecting isn't stamp collecting."

I no more 'draw comfort' from lacking belief in God than I do all the other fantasy figures I lack belief in. Quite simple.

hanging outposted"perhaps you do not know what a belief is supposed to do for a person. We are supposed to pick one that works for us and makes us happier than we would normally be."

What belief does for a person is dependent upon the person. Some Christians are giddily happy, others are miserable while still others are worried.

hanging outposted"I know all about job,"

You missed, or ignored the point. Job was a person who did *everything* right and God lovingly, justly, and righteously, screwed him over.

No one else is going to come close to what Job was able to do. And they expect to be treated better?

hanging outposted"even the hidden things. People have come close and committed suicide because they did not have God in their life. Stock market crash of 1987 for instance."

Based on the Xian superstition people commit suicide because it was what God scripted. The Bible is clear on that and it follows from the stated omni characteristics of the God character.

Indicating people killed themselves because they didn't have God in their life is an empty claim.

Substitute the word God with anything else and it has the same validity as your statement. Some substitutions could be; Santa Claus, Tiamat the Dragon, Keebler Elves, Ra, Circe, Zeus, Apollo, Isis, asdofiawe, osdoaer, and Odin All Father among millions of other possibilities.

hanging outposted"The worm dieth not means the worm will complete its job of devouring until nothing is left. and the fire not be quenched means that it shall not be put out until it has done its job. These are not states of eternity."

That's not what the verse states. Words do have meaning. If you're going to question clear words then that also casts doubt about the 'promise of eternal life.' You can't have it both ways.

hanging outposted" Only God knows what eternity is, only God can relate to eternity, our flesh likes eternity when it comes to punishing the wicked but God a loving spirit doesn't want the wicked first of all being immortal and second occupying space where God would have to ignore. We speak of what the lake of fire is for."

You're not listening. According to Xianity; all are mere actors in a pointless play hitting their marks and spouting their lines as scripted when God furiously ejaculated the universe into existence.

A person can do nothing other than the path God set. There is no 'Free Will.' No matter how much I yearn and believe there is no way I can flap my arms and physically fly cross-country. Based on the Xian superstition and the 'Free Will' dodge attempt; my 'Free Will' is that God will be wrong in what I have for dinner tomorrow night.

If God's plan is for me to have steak and I'm determined to have fish; either way God loses. If I have steak tomorrow night my point about not being able to do other than what God planned is supported.

If I have fish that indicates God's plan is horse apples and that he's even more a weakling than the Bible indicates.

hanging outposted"When speaking of bible people often forget that of 3,000 prophecies fulfilled, there are only a few left, one is jesus return as king, this the jews understand more nowadays, they wanted him back then but he came as a servant to usher in a new way, also prophesied. No other book has prophecy or a man who worked miracles.The bible rules as the word of God."

The Bible is rubbish as the so-called 'prophesies.' It's stone and bronze age crap that a child in junior high can beat.

God lies, murders, rapes, and tortures and it is Good. [shrug] Nice god you got there Hangin'. You're more than welcome to him. :wave:

Thank you for the reply. I do hope you get what you yearn for. I mean that honestly and kindly.

People often see things in different ways. My reaction was a shudder of horror. Eternity never ends and even the most wonderful, fabulous, party would become Hel.

For me, life is vibrant and is enriched because I'm aware it will come to an end.

I'm ecstatic that I finished a very difficult painting last week after about 270 just painting hours. This doesn't consider; set up, clean up, mixing paint, or pondering. The painting is a full size 20 x 30 inches and is my version of an old and very famous master work. I now have to coat the painting with a protective coat of medium then leave it for a year to dry before I can varnish it. The work? The Mona Lisa.

My consciousness continues. I'll continue learning and preparing for further truths until I am properly prepared to be further judged according to my mortal deeds in conjunction to how I've received that further knowledge. If worthy I'll come forth in the forefront of the millenium to dwell upon the earth in it's more perfected state. After that work is complete I'll hopefully continue to prove valiant and worthy to withstand the final battles in preparation for the Earth being celestialized into a perfected state.

he said if worthy ... as a christian according to the pattern set forth in the bible we all know where we are going. God does not play games. There is no re-incarnation.easy to spot a fraudulent religionsalvation is not dependant upon 'further knowledge'.

the garden was the perfect state. The God of the bible started us out in the perfect state and will end us in the perfect state. Why the dog and pony show? to get sinners to admit they are sinners and believe in God. Can't imagine them popping up after death for judgment day and not knowing God and expecting to gain access to what God has. What God has is equal to what He is. I wasn't answering the question i was replying to golden path.

I am on the inside looking out, people who don't understand are all on the outside looking in. You can stand looking at a beach but once you get on the beach then can you partake of its pleasures.

hanging out posted;"the garden was the perfect state. The God of the bible started us out in the perfect state and will end us in the perfect state."

No, the garden was not the perfect state. God deliberately and with malice aforethought sabotaged it with the two 'magic trees.' The tree of Knowledge and the tree of Eternal Life.

hanging out posted; Why the dog and pony show? to get sinners to admit they are sinners and believe in God. Can't imagine them popping up after death for judgment day and not knowing God and expecting to gain access to what God has. What God has is equal to what He is."

God and pointless game playing is what you've shown via your response.

hanging out posted;"I wasn't answering the question i was replying to golden path."

Then you miscliked. Clicking on *this* as in 'responding to' brought up my post. It isn't a problem as that happens to us all from time to time.

hanging out posted;"I am on the inside looking out, people who don't understand are all on the outside looking in. You can stand looking at a beach but once you get on the beach then can you partake of its pleasures."

[sigh] Why is it that believers, all too often, assume those not of their superstition know nothing about it?

Troy C posted;"Let's start with something we can all agree on, we're alive, we have a mind but we are also physical beings and one day the physical being will cease to exist. Now class, this is not a philosophical question it's a personal question.The question is what do you think will happen to you after you're physical body dies."

There's no 'think' about it. The body dies and decomposes. There are no neural connection, sensors, or activity. In short, it's "Game Over."

You're free to believe in any damn fool thing in a failed attempt to 'cheat death.' Death isn't anything to fear.

The whole world will be available and possibly the universe as well. Society will be opposite to what we have now. Everyone will be our friend, all will be good natured, kind and have wicked jokes hehehe. Animals of all types will be harmless and like pets. Where there is no time there is no watching the clock.And of course, God will be there, Christ, all the OT saints. So much conversation, so much comradery.

Then obviously their vision was not from God. How easily people get sucked into believing falseness.or perhaps they figure they will get a shorter jail sentence.If God ever tells me to murder something, i will have to hear it boom outta the air around me and i want lightning and something knocked over or to fall off the wall... i would under any normal circumstance never believe that God just whispers, hey, kill tommy.bi-polar to go, easy on the mayo

no offense to you but you are so wrong about the God of the bible. What makes you think God needs a person to kill another person? God doesn't want to kill people, he wants that people should believe in him and be saved. Jesus said love your enemies, why would God ever ask another person to break one of his ten commandments? There are many examples of God killing people after two or three witnesses say the man gathered wood on a sabbath for instance, but just to vision somebody and say go kill. Sorry that is not how God works.The truth of Gods nature and character is not me putting restrictions on God in that you are wrong.I have read your posts too and I don't know what God you know about.

hanging out wrote;"no offense to you but you are so wrong about the God of the bible."

Then you must be reading a heavily edited version. The Bible is full of; genocide, rapine, theft, cruelty, injustices, and much more. Other things follow based on claimed attributes-like the omni ones. Omni=all. With omni it is all or nothing. There is no inbetween.

hanging out wrote;"What makes you think God needs a person to kill another person? God doesn't want to kill people, he wants that people should believe in him and be saved."

Oh, God loves killing and tormenting. He does it so often and gleefully. What God wants God gets, no matter what transparent excuses are brought forth.

*Who* are people being saved *from?"

Why God/Jesus, of course!

hanging out wrote;"Jesus said love your enemies,"

Jesus also said he didn't come to bring peace, but a sword. That he came to turn families against each other and that a man's foes would be their own household.

Whoopsie. Guess Jesus forgot to take his anti-psychotic medications.

hanging out wrote;"why would God ever ask another person to break one of his ten commandments?"

God orders that on a constant basis. Theft, rapine, genocide, killing parents, sons, and all females who weren't virgins and keeping those left as sex slaves. Raping them until they died-in most cases.

hanging out wrote;"There are many examples of God killing people after two or three witnesses say the man gathered wood on a sabbath for instance, "

That law remains in force. God didn't kill the person gathering wood. Christians did-according to the law. Every Christian alive today has broken that law.

hanging out wrote;"but just to vision somebody and say go kill. Sorry that is not how God works."

That is just how God works. Amakelites, for one.

hanging out wrote;"The truth of Gods nature and character is not me putting restrictions on God in that you are wrong."

Ah, but you did so restrict God. Maybe you didn't intend on doing so, but you did. These are your words:"If God ever tells me to murder something, i will have to hear it boom outta the air around me and i want lightning and something knocked over or to fall off the wall... "

Indicating what form the instruction would have to take is a restriction.

hanging out wrote;"I have read your posts too and I don't know what God you know about."

The Christian variant of the Abrahamic superstition, of course. You know, the 'Holy Bible?'

In jesus christ... are you 'in christ jesus'? To be 'in christ jesus' a person has to be "saved". Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. (jesus christ, when the words are flipped around it is pertaining more toward the risen christ).

and of course you know being saved amounts to the prayer of repentence.

In jesus christ... are you 'in christ jesus'? "To be 'in christ jesus' a person has to be "saved".Acts 4:12 [snip]"

1 Thessalonians 5:18 (King James Version)

18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.

The instruction has nothing to do with being 'saved.' It indicates everything you do, or happens, is the 'will of God.' All are mere actors in a pointless play hitting their marks and spouting their lines as scripted eons ago when God furiously farted the universe into being.

Those aren't my words. The Holy instruction is directly from the distributed manual.

According to my beliefs, my physical body will return to its elemental state and feed the earth, and my energy will be returned to the universe to be recycled. In short, I will go to the recycling bin.

So, then, what was the entire point, value, purpose of your (plural) existence? If merely to observe/serve the universe as recyclable nutrient, humans would have no need to think or do --or even exist at all. Walking plants, talking monkey's, yes?

And every single thing man has ever done proves itself pointless from equation(science) to sensation(religion) and in between.

I will be judged by the almightly God! My soul will either go to heaven or hell based on my judgement! I am not perfect and never have said that I am....therefore I make mistakes. I pray for mercy for those mistakes! I plan on going to heaven and spending eternity in paradise!!!

I did not say I didn't know where I was going! I said I will be judged and my soul will either go to heaven or hell... I said I have made mistakes and I pray for mercy... and at the end I am going to heaven and spending eternity in paradise! I have no doubts! So no, it's not more logical for me to reveal heaven from within!! I will wait for my heaven! Thanks!

Either I typed it differently than I meant it or you took it the wrong way... either way I know where I am going!!

Perhaps, but as I have been scolded for, by believing and non-believing, heaven -to quote the text- is within you.

"If they say look here or there [amplified: this place or that place] do not believe them; The kingdom of heaven is in you."Which is why I suggested revealing that place outwardly. Manifesting it, as we were shown by Y`shua, yes?

Some of the biggest 'shocks and awes' we have in our lives are those we attribute to the confidence we place in our "assumptions" of what is going to happen in the future.

These shocks are also usually attributed to the fact that even though we may have worked out contingency plans for scenario A as well as scenario B, out of the blue another unforeseen scenario suddenly reveals itself as the reality of that future.

Not me.. I do not foresee any other scenario at all. Questions answered the peace and rest of Jesus Christ is like being on vacation, stress just fails to show up. All is well and life is good, in fact, it is very good <-- i got that from the big guy

Mind is the sum total of all experience...for it can't be self existent. Soul if that which binds the dual with the creator..for some its heaven, for some soul enters the astral realm and is reborn if earthly karma is still intact.

ralwus thank you for making me laugh with your my karma response. I am still laughing as I write this response. Truly living life on earth is hilarious. I have tears flowing from my eyes from laughing so hard. Thank you. God created woman from man,s rib and done a wonderful job of it for man to share and enjoy life on this earth through love peace free which every human beings is to the core of their beings including the women at Leroy's. Give my LOVE PEACE FREE to those women and greetings from the Ambassador Butler. You made my day with laughing so hard. Thank yuo. Go in peace.

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

2 Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

You will be coming back to nothing. Watch that last trip, its a doosey

Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, [even] by him doth this man stand here before you whole.

This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.

Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

This is why we don't want non christians in our discussions. WE believe in every word of the bible and will always quote from it, for it is a wonderful book.And we don't care that you don't like our book, but if you are gonna debate with christians you should be on the same page with us.otherwise

Yes, I understand pointing usavoury things out and the ramifications/reprecussions of aspects/attributes is disquieting to Xians.

The other factor you conveniently ignore is; 1 Thess5:18

1 Thessalonians 5:18 (King James Version)

18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.

This instruction is crystal clear. Your words indicate you're not complying with the directive {That's between you and Jesus}.

But then that brings this verse into play:

Luke 6:46 {KJV}And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

Luke 6:45-47 (King James Version)

45A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.

46And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

47Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:

As for verses you don't seem to like or appreciate:

2 Timothy 3:16 (KJV)All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

2 Timothy 3:15-17 (King James Version)

15And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

hanging out posted" WE believe in every word of the bible and will always quote from it, for it is a wonderful book."

No, you don't so believe. You've had great difficulty with many of the passages I've quoted directly. You've added to the text when it suited your purpose. You've striven to shift things via red herrings and 'hand waving' to try to change the subject instead of accepting and believing in the quoted word. Once again, that's between you and Jesus.

hanging out posted"And we don't care that you don't like our book, but if you are gonna debate with christians you should be on the same page with us."

I didn't say I like or dislike your book (don't think I've specifically stated). Its *your* book I've been quoting from. It's the tenets of Christianity I've been bringing up. Its the ramifications and repercussions of said claims and tenets I've been addressing.

I'm not interested in debate. I've no intention in changing anyones mind about things. What I'm interested in is discussion and exploration. I'm interested in how individuals see things in different ways based on your Holy Writ. I'm interested in how a person reacts to, views concerning actions flat stated in the Bible. There are many things I'm curious about. It isn't about your Holy Book. It's all about people. I explore. Things are, in the main, a response to what individuals post.

Do keep in mind I've never suggested anyone lose belief. In fact, I've spoken in support of individual beliefs and of people's yearnings. I've also thanked people for replying to curiosity questions I've had. I wanted to see how they saw/felt about a few things.

hanging out posted"otherwise

close the door behind ya."

How is quoting from the Bible, and such, not being 'on the same page?'

Yep, i do know where i am going after death. In death the body dies and the CD of that life gets stored in Gods library for a rockin time of watchin videos of all the good things his Christians ever did! and then the rewards!!!

Heaven or Hell, there is no inbetween. I am not here for me but for you on behalf of the one who sent me and all the others here to help you This is no joke. Tomorrow is not promised to you, get right now.Love you all Troy C.

concerning the resurrection, of which there are two.the judgment seat of christ (for Christians) and the great white throne judment (for non-Christians)concerning the body of the resurrected" 1 Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 1 Corinthians 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 1 Corinthians 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory."

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