St. John Ladder was one of the first characteristically Eastern writers I ever read.

As ever-blooming fruits you offer the teachings of your God-given book,O wise John, most blessed, while sweetening the hearts of all themthat heed it with vigilance; for it is a ladder from the earth to the Heaventhat confers glory on the souls that ascend it, and honor you faithfully.

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"Love ... is an abyss of illumination, a mountain of fire ... . It is the condition of angels, the progress of eternity" (Climacus).

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Yes we who are far from sainthood we can recognize a living saint and I'm talking from personal experience.Yes they are gentle soo gentle it can not be described it is like gentleness and humility in one and also they have this light this energy it's beyond words...and when you are near them you feel ecstatic and very happy

I just got into an argument with someone on facebook who is convinced that the Church is going to bless same sex marriages in the near future and is sooper dooper excited about that. Why do I bother with such arguments? I wasted a good afternoon on tripe.

"Love ... is an abyss of illumination, a mountain of fire ... . It is the condition of angels, the progress of eternity" (Climacus).

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Yes we who are far from sainthood we can recognize a living saint and I'm talking from personal experience.Yes they are gentle soo gentle it can not be described it is like gentleness and humility in one and also they have this light this energy it's beyond words...and when you are near them you feel ecstatic and very happy

I wonder how silly it would be to attend the Paschal service in a non-native language if there's a native language version readily available too. Just noticed that my parish is having a Swedish liturgy at Paschal night. The church is quite small so it will probably run out of air but otherwise it could be quite nice.

I wonder how silly it would be to attend the Paschal service in a non-native language if there's a native language version readily available too. Just noticed that my parish is having a Swedish liturgy at Paschal night. The church is quite small so it will probably run out of air but otherwise it could be quite nice.

Are there a lot of Swede Orthodox?

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Happy shall he be, that shall take and dash thy little ones against the rock. Alleluia.

The Orthodox are a minority and the Swedish-speaking Finnish Orthodox are even tinier minority. There might be some Swedes too but our Swedish-speaking folks here are not Swedes but Finns. Besides having two state churches we also have two official languages.

I went to a Chaldean mass today. The chanting was beautiful but somehow the service seemed fairly Novus Ordo-ish. Lots of spoken prayers and laymen participation. Have Chaldeans went through similar post-Vatican II liturgical reforms as Latins have?

Sometimes I just want to race around to all the Catholic discussion forums on the web and start threads about how the filioque and papal infallibility/supremacy, the immaculate conception, purgatory, etc. are not really major issues for me, but that I could never convert to Catholicism because of their innovative positions on birth control, divorce, and centering prayer. Aaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh

Have I ever mentioned that I loathe those who practice fitness or jog? Fitnessing and jogging are bad enough, but the smugness of those stupid enough to actually practice it is absolutely revolting. I'd rather have everyone obese than jogging.

Have I ever mentioned that I loathe those who practice fitness or jog? Fitnessing and jogging are bad enough, but the smugness of those stupid enough to actually practice it is absolutely revolting. I'd rather have everyone obese than jogging.

I'm intrigued. Tell me more. So it's more the pretentiousness of certain joggers that bothers you than the act of jogging itself?

...And I must wonder if it has anything to do with OrthoHanson rather than Somali terrorists.

Interesting to see Dave Gahan (of Depeche Mode) also became Orthodox. A while ago I remarked to some people that I thought Depeche Mode's music sounded religious or monastic in a way, sort of like Gregorian chants. They thought that was weird.

Maybe I wasn't entirely bonkers, then.

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I'm not going to be posting as much on OC.Net as before. I might stop in once in a while though. But I've come to realize that real life is more important.

Have I ever mentioned that I loathe those who practice fitness or jog? Fitnessing and jogging are bad enough, but the smugness of those stupid enough to actually practice it is absolutely revolting. I'd rather have everyone obese than jogging.

Have I ever mentioned that I loathe those who practice fitness or jog? Fitnessing and jogging are bad enough, but the smugness of those stupid enough to actually practice it is absolutely revolting. I'd rather have everyone obese than jogging.

Dunning-Kruger Effect - The incompetent tend to overestimate their competence, while the highly competent tend to underestimate their competence. In short, those who don't know crap don't know that they don't know crap.

Have I ever mentioned that I loathe those who practice fitness or jog? Fitnessing and jogging are bad enough, but the smugness of those stupid enough to actually practice it is absolutely revolting. I'd rather have everyone obese than jogging.

I'm intrigued. Tell me more. So it's more the pretentiousness of certain joggers that bothers you than the act of jogging itself?

Both. Jogging is sweaty and nasty business, and make you look like a complete fool. There's no elegance and dignity to it. The clothes they wear are invariably an eyesore and lately they have been jogging in herds. I suspect a lot of joggers do it to feel young or to fit in.

Have I ever mentioned that I loathe those who practice fitness or jog? Fitnessing and jogging are bad enough, but the smugness of those stupid enough to actually practice it is absolutely revolting. I'd rather have everyone obese than jogging.

I'm intrigued. Tell me more. So it's more the pretentiousness of certain joggers that bothers you than the act of jogging itself?

Both. Jogging is sweaty and nasty business, and make you look like a complete fool. There's no elegance and dignity to it. The clothes they wear are invariably an eyesore and lately they have been jogging in herds. I suspect a lot of joggers do it to feel young or to fit in.

I thought a classicist like yourself would appreciate athletic prowess.

Have I ever mentioned that I loathe those who practice fitness or jog? Fitnessing and jogging are bad enough, but the smugness of those stupid enough to actually practice it is absolutely revolting. I'd rather have everyone obese than jogging.

I'm intrigued. Tell me more. So it's more the pretentiousness of certain joggers that bothers you than the act of jogging itself?

Both. Jogging is sweaty and nasty business, and make you look like a complete fool. There's no elegance and dignity to it. The clothes they wear are invariably an eyesore and lately they have been jogging in herds. I suspect a lot of joggers do it to feel young or to fit in.

I thought a classicist like yourself would appreciate athletic prowess.

Have I ever mentioned that I loathe those who practice fitness or jog? Fitnessing and jogging are bad enough, but the smugness of those stupid enough to actually practice it is absolutely revolting. I'd rather have everyone obese than jogging.

I'm intrigued. Tell me more. So it's more the pretentiousness of certain joggers that bothers you than the act of jogging itself?

Both. Jogging is sweaty and nasty business, and make you look like a complete fool. There's no elegance and dignity to it. The clothes they wear are invariably an eyesore and lately they have been jogging in herds. I suspect a lot of joggers do it to feel young or to fit in.

Herds! lol.

Do you feel this way about all exercising or do you think there are some forms of exercise with an acceptable level of dignity?

Have I ever mentioned that I loathe those who practice fitness or jog? Fitnessing and jogging are bad enough, but the smugness of those stupid enough to actually practice it is absolutely revolting. I'd rather have everyone obese than jogging.

I'm intrigued. Tell me more. So it's more the pretentiousness of certain joggers that bothers you than the act of jogging itself?

Both. Jogging is sweaty and nasty business, and make you look like a complete fool. There's no elegance and dignity to it. The clothes they wear are invariably an eyesore and lately they have been jogging in herds. I suspect a lot of joggers do it to feel young or to fit in.

Herds! lol.

Do you feel this way about all exercising or do you think there are some forms of exercise with an acceptable level of dignity?

Have I ever mentioned that I loathe those who practice fitness or jog? Fitnessing and jogging are bad enough, but the smugness of those stupid enough to actually practice it is absolutely revolting. I'd rather have everyone obese than jogging.

I'm intrigued. Tell me more. So it's more the pretentiousness of certain joggers that bothers you than the act of jogging itself?

Both. Jogging is sweaty and nasty business, and make you look like a complete fool. There's no elegance and dignity to it. The clothes they wear are invariably an eyesore and lately they have been jogging in herds. I suspect a lot of joggers do it to feel young or to fit in.

Herds! lol.

Do you feel this way about all exercising or do you think there are some forms of exercise with an acceptable level of dignity?

Have I ever mentioned that I loathe those who practice fitness or jog? Fitnessing and jogging are bad enough, but the smugness of those stupid enough to actually practice it is absolutely revolting. I'd rather have everyone obese than jogging.

I'm intrigued. Tell me more. So it's more the pretentiousness of certain joggers that bothers you than the act of jogging itself?

Both. Jogging is sweaty and nasty business, and make you look like a complete fool. There's no elegance and dignity to it. The clothes they wear are invariably an eyesore and lately they have been jogging in herds. I suspect a lot of joggers do it to feel young or to fit in.

I thought a classicist like yourself would appreciate athletic prowess.

Only one half of me is a classicist, the other half of me is a jurist these days. My classicist half sometimes whispers "mens sana in corpore sano" to me, which makes me go out and play a game of soccer five or six times a year, but the jurist half, which is usually dominant when it comes to sport, exhorts me to sit back and enjoy the fleeting languor of youth.