Ownage Surf! Before anyone comments negatively on Mystic Water, think about it. With Mystic Water, a Special Attack boost from Tail Glow, Rain Dance, and STAB, Surf is indestructable! Plus Toxic, more damage can be done at the same time! With Double Team, Manaphy will be hit less! Also, Aqua Ring heals Manaphy!

P.S. Anyone who uses this on Electric/Grass/Dragon/etc. isn't gonna win. I know that much. And can someone tell me if the other guy's Weavile is good? I want one. And I'm not sure but wouldn't Sword Dance help? You can put the Sneasel in LeafGreen, then teach it Sword Dance, then put it in P/D and get Weavile! Smart, eh? :roll:

EDIT- I guess I kinda forgot to say RATE THIS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE PLEASE! And Mudkipman, you seem excited to be the first to rate something here. I'll bet you could hardly contain your enthousiasm.

Ownage Surf! Before anyone comments negatively on Mystic Water, think about it. With Mystic Water, a Special Attack boost from Tail Glow, Rain Dance, and STAB, Surf is indestructable! Plus Toxic, more damage can be done at the same time! With Double Team, Manaphy will be hit less! Also, Aqua Ring heals Manaphy!

Ok, first: Mystic water, for lack of better words, sucks. If you want a hold item for Manaphy that helps out Surf, get Choice Specs. Note: I dont advise using Choice Specs on Manaphy. Now;

Manaphy's best asset is its Special Sweeping abilities. You want two or three moves that compliment that, so keep Surf, and choose from Ice Beam, Energy Ball, and Shadow Ball. Put it in over the Toxic/Double Team/etc spot. Take a pick between Tail Glow and Rain Dance, and replace the one you dont want with Rest.

As for the rest of the stuff, you'll want to give it a Timid nature, instead of Modest, and put the EV's you currently have in Special Defence into HP. As for the item, ditch Mystic Water, and give it Leftovers instead

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Sat Apr 14, 2007 11:50 pm

Selsix

Psychic Trainer

Joined: Thu Apr 05, 2007 5:17 pmPosts: 95Location: The Orre Region

Here's mine, btw i realize this team is 5/6 physical sweepers more or less and a special sweeper but i dont really care due to the fact its built off my favorite pokemon and i consider the best defence to be a massive offence...

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Sun Apr 15, 2007 12:03 am

The Obsidian Wolf

Pokemon Master

Joined: Wed Sep 27, 2006 12:03 amPosts: 1559Location: Dragon's Den

Selsix wrote:

Here's mine, btw i realize this team is 5/6 physical sweepers more or less and a special sweeper but i dont really care due to the fact its built off my favorite pokemon and i consider the best defence to be a massive offence...

Right, Focus Band is a big no. It's only got 10% chance of working. Switch it for something Leftovers or Choice Band.
Rain Dance is to be avoided too. By the time you've set up a Rain Dance, you could have CBed the opponent to death with one of your physical moves. That, and it doesn't decrease fire moves enough to effectively stop the opponent from incinerating you. Switch it for Night Slash. X-scissor could also be switched for U-turn, as that would work effectively in a Choice Band set. Go with Adamant as a Nature.

as an alternative over Rock Slide, you could have Stone Edge (higher power, critical hit ratio increase, but lower accuracy.) Also, Toxic could easily be replaced with Night Slash, and you could potentially have another Choice Bander. You could also go with Rapid Spin if you were worried about Spikes/Stealth Rock.

4. Luxray @ Bright Powder
Nature: Rivalry
Iron Tail
Crunch
Thunder Bite
Thunder Wave
Thunder Wave is a worrying move for Luxray, as it is a little brittle. Also, Thunder Fang could be replaces with Spark, as it has 100 accuracy, but minus the additional flinch.
Iron Tail is lacking in accuracy, so consider Fire or Ice Fang over those (Ice Fang would be more desirable, thanks to its combination when teamed up with Spark, similar to BoltBeam.)
Leftovers would be good here, or again, if you are good at prediction, Choice Band at a push.

Switch Will-o-wisp for either another physical move (Shadow Sneak, X-scissor, EQ, Stone Edge) or a stat-increasing move, (such as Bulk Up or Swords Dance.)

Also, Drain Punch could be replaced with Brick Break or Close Combat. BBreak isn't as strong as CCombat, but the latter has much more power. However, CCombat also reduces defences, so be weary about using this one.

Yup, alls good there. Consider Ice Punch over Fire Punch, as it hits Dragons more effectively (those like Garchomp, Flygon, Salamence etc.) Also, think of using Leftovers over Shell Bell. It might replenish more. Big Root is an option too, so it can help recover more with Feather Rest/Roost.

Just a note: be careful with Choice Banders. They need a fair amount of prediction, and I have reccomended quite a few. This is mainly because, as you said, your team is full of physical sweepers, but Choice items need to be used with caution, as without the proper prediction, it could be the undoing of you.

If you have any further queries, PM me, or post it here.

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Sun Apr 15, 2007 12:56 am

Selsix

Psychic Trainer

Joined: Thu Apr 05, 2007 5:17 pmPosts: 95Location: The Orre Region

yeah but the issue with all that is, is the fact that choice band rips them of their freedom which is why i prefer going with different items that still prove useful, IMO choice band is a big no, i also forbid 2 pokemon holding the same item, its a personal rule between me and my friends, also the moves such as toxic, thunder wave, etc... are all there for when their back is against the wall and there's no way out (like if the opponent is using a pokemon they have no chance of beating) due to the fact i dont really switch out in battles due to the fact it can screw you over, you misread my dragonite as well it isnt built to take out dragon types, fire punch gives it more of a super effective variety than ice punch would, also i did consider ice fang for luxray but the issue is he only gets it by breeding, with an arbok which i have no means of obtaining, besides most ground pokemon are also rock type so iron tail would work nicely, also giving night slash to scizor or kabutops or gallade would serve no purpose due to the fact they are already able to take out all types it's good against besides ghost, which isnt exactly an overly used type and i gave gallade drain punch due to the fact it heals half the damage it inflicts, i consider that more worthwhile than the 15 damage he'd gain from having brick break instead, i also gave kabutops rock slide due to the fact its more accurate than stone edge and it flinches, which is also boosted by his king's rock, also im not exactly sure what U-turn is unless your talking about that new flinching flying type attack, in which case i am NOT giving that too my scizor due to the fact he'd have to remain a scyther until level 53, thats a major attack loss, i prefer to evolve scyther's at level 5, but you may have been right about the rain dance so i will switch it out for night slash/blade test, also i believe you have a point about the will-o-wisp, gallade isnt as limited in his moveset as scizor and kabutops are, i think i'll trade it out for stone-edge, thanks for your rating btw it's making me think about alot of things...

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Sun Apr 15, 2007 11:51 am

The Obsidian Wolf

Pokemon Master

Joined: Wed Sep 27, 2006 12:03 amPosts: 1559Location: Dragon's Den

Okay, sorry about the Choice Band things, I didn;t know that you didn't like switching or having two of the same moves.

U-turn used to be called Somersault, which is a bug type move and switches out after hitting. However, if you don't like Choice Band (which is really what it is good for) I would suggest keeping X-Scissor. Also, if you wanted one less Physical sweeper, you could treat it as a Baton Passer with this moveset:

Yo guys, I was thinking of having the next team rated by you, and also to have something changed if needed.

As you will may notice, every single Pokémon in this team boasts the trait "Pressure", that´s for a Pressure-Team I´m thinking of... here it is.

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Wevile @ Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
~Protect
~Ambush
~Ice Shard
~Torment
I looked over the rest of your team - this one probably has the most special sweeping abilities. Protect is good for pressure abuse, but you will want to be able to really attack - shadow ball, ice beam, dark pulse are good choices.

Aerodactyl @ King´s Rock
Trait: Pressure
~Protect
~Stone Edge
~Aerial Ace
~Roost
Substitute is a really good idea, to avoid status (get in before paralysis or leech seed). I don't like stone edge, because of pp and accuracy concerns.

Mon Apr 16, 2007 3:50 pm

hunter160

Psychic Trainer

Joined: Wed Feb 14, 2007 2:32 pmPosts: 66Location: In my house

Alright, I have another Manaphy set for rating. No Mystic Water this time! Again its a Surf strategy. Because of the fact that Surf doesn't work on everyone, I will have other Poekmon to deal with that. Basically I boost Surf with a bunch of moves and then sweep. When HP is low I use Rest and the sleep condition is cured by Hydration/Rain Dance combo.

Ok here comes detail of strategy. *cringes. First, Rain Dance. Then Tail Glow a few times. Then use Surf. With a high Sp. Attack, STAB, and Rain Dance boost Surf will have a high power. When Manaphy's HP is low I use Rest. Manaphy's Hydration cures sleep because of Rain Dance. So, Manaphy is healed without Chesto Berries or going to sleep. That wasn't so painful after all.

P.S. To Selsix: A friendly reminder to use periods. My eyes still hurt.

Alright, I have another Manaphy set for rating. No Mystic Water this time!
Again its a Surf strategy. Because of the fact that Surf doesn't work on everyone, I will have other Poekmon to deal with that. Basically I boost Surf with a bunch of moves and then sweep. When HP is low I use Rest and the sleep condition is cured by Hydration/Rain Dance combo.

Ok here comes detail of strategy. *cringes. First, Rain Dance. Then Tail Glow a few times. Then use Surf. With a high Sp. Attack, STAB, and Rain Dance boost Surf will have a high power. When Manaphy's HP is low I use Rest. Manaphy's Hydration cures sleep because of Rain Dance. So, Manaphy is healed without Chesto Berries or going to sleep. That wasn't so painful after all.

Okay, the thing with this moveset, though good in theory is that you only have one attacking move. With just Surf, you won't be able to take on other Water types, Grass types, and bulky POkemon with high Sp. Def. Throw in Ice Beam or Shadow Ball as suggested above.

However, if you replace Rain Dance with one of the above moves, you won't be able to use Rest effectively because Sleep won't vanish, but if you take away Tail Glow, you can't sweep because your Sp. Attk will be lower.

So, I don't really do a lot of hardcore studying and planning and strategizing and ****, so I apologize for the lack of natures, items, abilities, etc.

I also realise that my team consists basically of special /physical sweepers, but like that other guy said before, I am a heavy believer in the idea that the best defense is a good offence, and friends, I'm all about offence.

And lastly, I plan on using this team for both competition and regular game usage, so no criticism for the usage of HMs please.

Empoleon
Surf
Ice Beam
Rock Slide
Drill Peck

Luxray
Iron Tail
Giga Impact
Thunder
Crunch

Lucario
Dragon Pulse
Earthquake
Extremespeed
Brick Break

Magmortar
Solarbeam
Flamethrower
Sunny Day
Overheat

Honchkrow
Fly
Dark Pulse
Aerial Ace
Psychic

Toxicroak
Shadow Ball
Climb Rocks
Sludge Bomb
Strength

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Tue Apr 17, 2007 8:24 pm

The Obsidian Wolf

Pokemon Master

Joined: Wed Sep 27, 2006 12:03 amPosts: 1559Location: Dragon's Den

ProphetHobo wrote:

So, I don't really do a lot of lovely studying and planning and strategizing and ****, so I apologize for the lack of natures, items, abilities, etc.

I also realise that my team consists basically of special /physical sweepers, but like that other guy said before, I am a heavy believer in the idea that the best defense is a good offence, and friends, I'm all about offence.

And lastly, I plan on using this team for both competition and regular game usage, so no criticism for the usage of HMs please.

Empoleon
Surf
Ice Beam
Rock Slide
Drill Peck

You may want to replace Rock Slide or Drill Peck with Earthquake, as that is more effective in power. Otherwise, that is all good.

Luxray
Iron Tail
Giga Impact
Thunder
Crunch

If you are trying to go with a physical sweeping Luxray, switch Thunder for Thunder Fang. I know the power is less, but the accuracy is higher, as is Luxray's stat in that regard.

Lucario
Dragon Pulse
Earthquake
Extremespeed
Brick Break

Again, if you are going for an all out physical sweeper, switch Dragon Pulse for something else, notably Shadow Claw or Blaze Kick. You may also want to use Swords Dance for a little powering up.

Magmortar
Solarbeam
Flamethrower
Sunny Day
Overheat

You've got two Fire type attacks, which is usually a big no. Get rid of Overheat, and give it Thunderbolt or Psychic. Also, Sunny Beaming isn't most advisable with Magmortar, as it won't be able to effectively use it. As an alternative, try Focus Blast if you don't mind the drop in Sp. Def or give Hidden Power Ice/Grass a go if you can get it.

Honchkrow
Fly
Dark Pulse
Aerial Ace
Psychic

If you're going for a special sweeping Honchkrow, use Shadow Ball over Aerial Ace. It doesn't get a Special Flying move anyway, and you already have Fly, so go with Shadow Ball. Obviously, Aerial Ace would be more desirable over Fly, but as you said, this is for ingame.

Toxicroak
Shadow Ball
Climb Rocks
Sludge Bomb
Strength

You seem to be using it as more of an HM Slave. Perhaps you might want it as an entirely Physical Sweeper? GO with Poison Jab over Sludge Bomb, but Earthquake would be preferable (as it hits more foes, and has less resistances, but POison Jab gains STAB.)
As for Shadow Ball, go for Brick Break as it will gain STAB and breaks down Screens.

Any other questions, PM me. And sorry Sairam, I seemed to skip over your one. Won't happen again.

The idea is to start off with Tyranitar´s Sand Stream or Hipowdon´s as well, then, quickly switching out to put Bronzong or Lunatone to make it with Trick Room, so that they and most of the teammates will almost surely move faster than opponents.

As for Double-battling, the thing is that Tyranitar and Bronzong MUST start off, to input the best conditions to sweep away most opponents doing a similar thing when single-battling (switching propperly, double-targetting moves, et cetera).

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Wed Apr 18, 2007 5:34 pm

hunter160

Psychic Trainer

Joined: Wed Feb 14, 2007 2:32 pmPosts: 66Location: In my house

The Fluffy Weavile wrote:

Ok, I've got an Infernape that needs to be rated, if you please. ^_^

Infernape @ Life Orb Try a Shell Bell, or if you feel particularily lucky, Choice Band or Choice Scarf Nature: Serious No. Try Jolly or Adamant EVs: 252 SPD, 252 HP, 4 DEF First you are missing 2 whole EV's! Next put the 4 in Defence plus the 2 you missed in HP. So that means 6 HP EV's....Right??? Next, I don't know where the rest of your EV's are going. SPD and HP?! C'mon!!!!

Just joking. Put them in Attack and Speed instead.
Because I'm a total dweeb and I'm confused here is what I'm try to say:
EV's: 252 Attack 252 Speed 6 HP Flamethrower Blaze Kick is better. Close Combat (Infight) I like Brick Break but Mach Punch works well here too. Not Infight though. Slack Off I guess this might work but I think giving an extra Attack boost is more helpful. Sword Dance or Bulk Up all the way. For Choice Specs or Band put EQ or Mach Punch (obviously if you put it before, take EQ) ? Anything is better than nothing so breed for Splash.
joking again! You can put Rock Slide, Shadow Claw, or Stone Edge.

P.S.-This is probably going to replace Blaziken on my team, so also think about that. Please see bottom for details

P.P.S.-I feel bad that haven't rated anything yet...you guys always get to it before me. >.<''

I totally agree! Glares angrily at The Obsidian Wolf. You rated all the posts in sight!!!!!!

jk, don't take offense BTW, The Obsidian Wolf, I like the Raikou.

P.S. (read the Fluffy Weavile's P.S before mine)

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Blaziken 4 ever!!!!!!

Ok, i sound like one of the idiots on the "Favorite Pokemon Thread" and I apologize for it but IMO, Blaziken is better. But I'm not gonna force it on you and I rated it fairly. Or at least the most fair I could....

P.P.S.If anyone feels offended by me not shuting up when supposed to or has any question please PM The Obsidian Wolf for complaits

Joking again. When do I ever shut up?!?!?!?! Seriously, don't PM him PM me. Or any other rater if you think you hate me. Because I hate me too.

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