Claims that US is a genetic melting pot appear overblown--if you're white

Wanting to know your ancestry is a powerful motivator that many DNA testing companies such as 23andMe and Ancestry.com have exploited for great profit. But apart from individual curiosity, genetic studies into our ancestry also offer the ability to peer into the history books, offering a DNA time machine, and a unique window into the history of civilized people.

Now in the largest study of its kind conducted so far, researchers at 23andMe and Harvard University have published the results of a genetic analysis of ancestry among the American people.

The study itself is quite impressive, conducted with 160,000 people who agreed to allow their data to be used anonymously for research purposes when they submitted their DNA for analysis with 23andMe. Such huge sample numbers, which are “an order of magnitude bigger” according to an author of the study, allows for a much more thorough analysis than ever before, helping the authors produce a detailed geographical map of ancestry in the United States. Three major population groups considered in the study: African-Americans, European Americans and Latinos.

Broadly, the genomic analysis found that on an average the African American genome was 73.2 percent African, 24 percent European and 0.8 percent Native American. Latinos as expected had significantly more Native American ancestry with the average Latino genome being 18 percent Native American, 65.1 percent European and 6.2 percent African.

With respect to European Americans, the percentages are much more different than African Americans or Latinos, with European American genomes being 98.6 percent European, 0.19 percent African and 0.18 percent Native American. In general, the numbers seem to agree with what one would expect given the history of American colonization by Europeans and their interactions with African and Native Americans.

Detailed percentages of ancestry in the various geographical regions showed relatively wide variations in the ancestry which seem to corroborate historical events.

What are the social implications of this study? The title of Carl Zimmer’s New York Times article on the research “White? Black? A Murky Distinction Grows Still Murkier,” seems to suggest that the genetic data show that racial divides have significantly blurred as populations have mixed

In the United States, there is a long tradition of trying to draw sharp lines between ethnic groups, but our ancestry is a fluid and complex matter.

“We use these terms — white, black, Indian, Latino — and they don’t really mean what we think they mean,” said Claudio Saunt, a historian at the University of Georgia who was not involved in the study.

Razib Khan at the Unz Review, has a different view however (emphasis his):

What genetics is showing is that in fact white Americans are shockingly European to an incredibly high degree for a population with roots on this continent for 400 years. If we removed all the history that we take for granted we’d be amazed that the indigenous peoples had so little demographic impact, and, that the larger numbers of people of partial African ancestry did not move into the general “white” population.

Steve Sailer, a long time writer on race and ethnicity, also writing at the Unz Review, agrees with Khan, with some quick back–of–the envelope calculations to show how...

…whiteness in modern America turns out to be not very murky at all. These findings of 0.19 percent black and 0.18 percent American Indian are tiny numbers.

Think about your family tree back nine generations ago, which would mostly be in the 1700s. You have 512 slots in your family tree nine generations ago (two to the ninth power). The 23andMe numbers suggest that for the average white American, 1 of your 512 ancestors nine generations ago was black and 1 of 512 was Native American.

Here’s another way to think of it. If the average self-identified black is 73.2 percent black and the average self-identified white is 0.19 percent black, then the average black in America is 385 times blacker than the average white. That doesn’t seem very murky to me.

It is important to note that the study has several potential biases that should be taken into account such as the socio economic status of those who might have purchased the test and as Carl Zimmer reported in his piece, the fact that people of mixed race are more likely to get the test out of curiosity. Nevertheless, the large sample size lends unique credibility and the trove of data will no doubt continue to yield very interesting results about how the ethnicity of the current American population came to be.

For now the interpretation of blurred racial divides might not be quite accurate, but as Razib Khan points out, it might be a few decades from now (emphasis his).

But, with the rise in intermarriage and a clearly mixed-race Latino population the lines between the races will become blurred genetically more and more. A substantial number of American children today are multiracial, and that fraction looks to increase. If 23andMe did a survey of American genetics 25 years from now I’d be much more amenable to the interpretation that the media is putting on this survey.

Arvind Suresh is a science communicator and a former laboratory biologist. Follow him @suresh_arvind

These percentages make sense given America’s history. But the conclusions the researchers came to are slightly flawed. The issue here is that they did not take into account the man made ‘One Drop Rule’ which is how America historically categorized who was white and who was black. And the two groups (white/black) formed around this idea. So it makes perfect sense that self identified “white” Americans would have little DNA from black and Native Americans, but that self identified “black” Americans would have much DNA from white Americans. In other words, we already knew this to be the case. That’s why there are so many light skinned people who identify as African American and not white. There is historical precedence for this.

This article attracted a lot of racists dying to be told they are “pure” white, which is impossible. And they have very little education about genetics or understanding of what white even means.

John

While mixed race people may be curious about their ancestry (if it’s not already known), I’d wager that affluent whites are more likely to pay for the service. Without the demographics of the study, this information is of questionable utility. Can’t properly crunch the numbers without a breakdown of the study group.

I think the numbers have been adequately crunched, Mr. Anonymous Internet armchair statistician.

June Genis

I agree with John. If the participants are skewed toward wealthier participants, and we know already that on average the white population is wealthier than the other groups in the study, the data is really only telling us about the ethnicity of the wealthier part of these populations. The missing variable is the socioeconomic status of each participant. This is not data which is typically collected when you request DNA testing. BTW I was tested by Ancestry and I know they did not ask me anything about my income or wealth level when I ordered the test.

GermanicConfederate

It’s not their fault that colored people are too stupid to succeed.

AzureTitan

I’m “colored” graduated MIT & now I’m a mechanical engineer. What do you do for the living instead of white knighting on the internet? Probably just another hypocritical white who hides behind the achievements of other great men, but don’t have any talents that benefits mankind like the rest of the white knights…

Camo Pack

As if anyone’s personal achievements discount the facts regarding the IQ gaps between races…

AzureTitan

Actually it does…. It shows that races are starting to progress. Just because it’s not happening at pace you don’t like doesn’t mean races aren’t progressing, but I’m sure you have another small minded speculation to express for your predictable & primitive bias.

The Black Hand

That’s over intermingling. Not “progression”. Blacks aren’t suddenly getting smarter in Africa are they? Hell no. You are about 24% European bub. It wasn’t your black roots that progressed you. Sorry, but those are the facts. You all do need to go though because if you don’t what happens is on your heads. You have been warned. Build a boat with your genius intellect and schooling or dance with the rest in the Day of the Ropes.

Buzz1313

What do you do for a living, oh great one?

The Black Hand

He blows goats.

Todd Lewis

Tell that to the colored people who graduated numbers 1,2,3,4 and 5 in my HS class that was 60% white. Just because you say something doesn’t make it sound intelligent. It just makes you look like the freak and jackass you are. 98.6% European admixture isn’t a person, it’s a genetic freak.

jz95

Really?
Like the Asians and Indians who do BETTER than whites?
It’s not your fault that southerners are just too stupid to succeed.
By the way, the old south was a shithole.

sweet_lies

i think that the average black person, not just “mixed race” people, would be curious about their history, because their family histories have been lost. well, i guess the average “black” person in america IS mixed race. so… nevermind lol

Elizabeth Miller

These percentages make sense given America’s history. But the conclusions the researchers came to are slightly flawed. The issue here is that they did not take into account the man made ‘One Drop Rule’ which is how America historically categorized who was white and who was black. And the two groups (white/black) formed around this idea. So it makes perfect sense that self identified “white” Americans would have little DNA from black and Native Americans, but that self identified “black” Americans would have much DNA from white Americans. In other words, we already knew this to be the case. That’s why there are so many light skinned people who identify as African American and not white. There is historical precedence for this.

Jon

The hell they do.
The demographics are from wealthy white people who are a dozen generations domestic.

I’m 38 and in the Midwest 90% of the white people I have merely met socially let alone been friends with were part North American Indian usually just 2-3 generations from at least 1 full blooded Native ancestor.

The study was rigged to create the illusion that most white people are over 90% white European and we’re not. I’m easily a 25%+ mash up of Sioux, Crow and Blackfoot but I look like a white guy.
Look at Brad Pitt and Johnny Depp.
White guys?
Not with that bone structure!
They’re both just a couple generations from a full blooded Native ancestor. There’s just too many of us running around the Midwest, East coast and New England states for me to trust this study.

About half the white kids I went to school with in the 80s were partially North American Indian and it shows in our features. We don’t get status like Latinos/Hispanics and why?
We aren’t dark enough but ratio wise I’m just as much native as a Mexican or Argentinian.

Congratulations? This article brought up a lot of racists dying to be told they are “pure” white, which is impossible. And you probably have very little education about genetics or understanding of what white even means.

These percentages make sense given America’s history. But the conclusions the researchers came to are slightly flawed. The issue here is that they did not take into account the man made ‘One Drop Rule’ which is how America historically categorized who was white and who was black. And the two groups (white/black) formed around this idea. So it makes perfect sense that self identified “white” Americans would have little DNA from black and Native Americans, but that self identified “black” Americans would have much DNA from white Americans. In other words, we already knew this to be the case. That’s why there are so many light skinned people who identify as African American and not white.

GermanicConfederate

And they should identify as such.

Todd Lewis

Is there a distinction between Irish and Polish? Those are black niggers of Europe but still have mozzarella complex. High European admixture was a bad idea because of false-race of freaks trying to engineer diarrhea and telling rest of society to accept it.

Doug

I wonder how many people with say 25% African genes consider themselves “white”? The president is 50% Kenyan, but is described as “the first black president”, I wonder how many people with 1 great grand parent who was African American consider themselves black and how many white?

Elizabeth Miller

These percentages make sense given America’s history. But the conclusions the researchers came to are slightly flawed. The issue here is that they did not take into account the man made ‘One Drop Rule’ which is how America historically categorized who was white and who was black. And the two groups (white/black) formed around this idea. So it makes perfect sense that self identified “white” Americans would have little DNA from black and Native Americans, but that self identified “black” Americans would have much DNA from white Americans. In other words, we already knew this to be the case. That’s why there are so many light skinned people who identify as African American and not white. There is historical precedence for this.

AriD2385

And to add to this, the one drop rule determined largely who would intermarry with whom. So you will see families starting in Colonial America being mixed between Africans, Irish/English servants, Indians, but as laws became more restrictive, those mixed people married with black people rather than white people due to social rules. So the fact that when a biracial person was born, that person would go on to marry black, not white, resulted in a relatively high admixed black population and non-admixed white population.

Flobow Trust

Unless they are extremely fair skinned, you can bet they would consider themselves any color BUT WHITE. To many people out there hate white people!

Akhibrass

No, people had no choice but to claim non-white. That was the law. Only “pure” whites were allowed to be white. Learn your history.

KH

A significant part of the white American population descends from recent immigrants. Few of us with ancestors who arrived after the Civil War (and who were born before about 1970) are likely to be anything but European. “White” Americans with colonial ancestry may have non-European ancestry but little of that DNA may remain in their families.

Elizabeth Miller

These percentages make sense given America’s history. But the conclusions the researchers came to are slightly flawed. The issue here is that they did not take into account the man made ‘One Drop Rule’ which is how America historically categorized who was white and who was black. And the two groups (white/black) formed around this idea. So it makes perfect sense that self identified “white” Americans would have little DNA from black and Native Americans, but that self identified “black” Americans would have much DNA from white Americans. In other words, we already knew this to be the case. That’s why there are so many light skinned people who identify as African American and not white. There is historical precedence for this.

HeartShaped

So all this “Melting Pot” stuff is a load of c*&^? People stick within their own groups it seems, it’s not bad, it’s just human nature.

Juan Carlos Rey de Miami

If depends on how you frame your mind. More than 50 per cent of American kids belong already to the so-called minorities. Besides, to call a person of Greek-German-Albanian-Russian-Palestian… ancestry just white, and by that implying no genetic admixture, is so naive as the non-realistic desire of the Americans to stay ¨white¨ and ¨pure¨.

Bob Gehrking

White people just don’t want our countries to turn into the shit holes you black/brown savages came from
You dumb fuck!
GET BACK TO YOUR SHIT HOLE COUNTRY YOU WELFARE SCUM.

Juan Carlos Rey de Miami

You got all back-to-front. I am from Europe and have traveled a lot. Believe me, for European standards the US nation is pretty black and brown. Even Hispanic countries like Argentina and Uruguay clearly have a larger proportion of whites, which can be corroborated walking the streets of Buenos Aires, Montevideo or any big US city. In short, I am sorry that you hate your own nation that much.

Elizabeth Miller

Bob Gehrking hates himself. It’s projection. This article attracted a lot of racists dying to be told they are “pure” white, which is impossible. And they have very little education about genetics or understanding of what white even means.

scythian

can you name one majority non European populated country that is a high trust, low crime industrious and more over nice place to live? Outside of course Japan, South Korea or the other north east Asian populated areas.

Roof Top Voter

So you have repeated the same few talking points over and over. I know my ancestry, its Scottish and English. Do you?

Argentina genetically is about 80%-60% European based on the study. And at that it was a very nice place to live in the AGREGATE, especially compared to the rest of Latin America. There are entire regions of the USA now that resemble the 3rd world and would far more if the government money was cut off to these communities to prevent crime and the homeless population from going out of control.

Todd Lewis

Such as Appalachia, which is the poorest region of the country and 97% white.

kris

Those hillbillies fk their own children, fathers, mothers, they are all on Welfare, and are the kkk and talk big but NEVER serve America in our Armed Forces. This Combat Marine would like to meet these kkk, family fking Traitors to America and ship them to Russia where they all belong. Semper Fi America.

jayy

And you crackers stay out of ours

Bob Gehrking

..says the welfare nigger living in a White country…..savage parasite..

AzureTitan

Funny how incompetent cretins like you always jump to the welfare bull crap. I’m black, graduated from MIT & I’m a mechanical engineer now, but according to degenerates like you, because I’m black that must mean I’m automatically on welfare. How about you try saying something intelligent or are you just an another inferior specimen to your own race hiding behind the achievements of other great men?

Buzz1313

Your mother

Todd Lewis

White country? Be careful what you’re talking about. Those niggers have the same blood you do. Race is genetics, not a contest to see whose grandkids burn fastest in the sun. It is an unacceptable idea that should be exterminated along with all the freaks that were created from such an illegitimate basis. Yours sincerely, American White guy.

kim c

Whites are the minority world wide and in the U.S. too.

The Black Hand

70% in the U.S but a minority? LMAO OK, dummy.

Todd Lewis

I’m a white person and let me inform you of two things
1) you don’t speak for any white person but yourself
2) white describes ethnic origin, describing most blacks and virtually all white Hispanics. There is no different race describing the freakshow that makes no distinction for ethnicity and thinks of their origins as käse.

YOUR INDIGINOUS MOTHER AFRICA

bob gehrking this reply is to you::YOU GET BACK TO THE MOUNTAIN OF THE CAUCUSUS IN EAST EUROPE WHERE YOU MUTATED FROM THE AFRICANS AND BECAME ALBINO TO WHITE…ALL OF THE WORLD BELONG TO THE BLACKS AND BROWNS..AND YOU WHITES ARE THE GREEDFUL ONES WHO MASTERMINDED A WAY TO TAKE AWAY FROM OTHERS WHAT IS NOT YOURS..AND LABELING EVERYTHING BLACK AND WHITE AND MAKING UP ALIBIS AS IF COLUMBUS DISCOVERED AMERICAS, AND THAT SO MANY SHIPS BROUGHT AFRICANS INTO SLAVERY TO AMERICA…BUNCH OF LIES…YOU FOUND WHAT YOU LABELED BLACKS HERE IN AMERICA NEXT TO THEIR SPOUSES WHAT YOU LABELED INDIANS..YOU DON’T KNOW YOUR LEFT FROM YOUR RIGHT..NO SUCH THING AS INDIANS..THE RACE IS ASIAN…THERE IS ONLY 2 RACES IN THE WORLD AND THAT IS ASIAN AND CAUCASIAN…BECCAUSE AFRICAN IS WHERE YOU BOTH MUTATED FROM…AND OBVIOUSLY THE CAUCASIAN MUTATION IS THE SATANIC GREEDFUL ONE..WHO IS THAT TIRANT OF A KID WHO GOES AROUND STEALING OTHER CHILDREN TOYS..AND THEN AS CORRUPTED AS A SERIAL KILLER, YOU CREATED AN ALIBI TO TELL YOUR MOMMY WHEN SHE GOT HOME FROM WORK, AFTER PLOTTING A SCHEME THAT YOU BROUGH HOME AFRICAN’S TO HELP HER WITH HER HOUSEWORK, AND IN ORDER TO SATISFY YOUR EGOS, INSTEAD OF TELLING HER YOU FOUND THEM RIGHT HERE IN THE LAND…YOU GOT TOGETHER WITH SOME OF YOUR RUTHLESS FRIENDS AND PLOTTED A SHCEME, BY BUILDING BOATS AND FORCING THE INDEGIONOUS PEOPLE OF THE WORLD OF THE AMERICAS WHO ARE WHAT YOU LABELED AS BLACK TO FILL YOUR SHIPS AND CIRLCLED AROUND FOR HOURS AND MADE SEPERATED THEM FROM ONE ANOTHER SO THAT THEY COULD NOT GET TOGETHER TO TELL THE TRUE STORY THAT YOU PICKED THEM UP FROM RIGHT HERE IN THE AMERICAS, ALTHOUGH THEY ARE DESCENDANTS OF AFRICA, JUST AS ARE THE ABORIGANIS OF AUSTRALIA AND THE SO CALLED AMERICAN INDIANS WHO ARE ALSO THE AFRICANS WHO MIGRATED TO ASIA AND WERE MUTATED TO MORE HUMANE PERSONS THAT YOUR EUROPEAN MUTATION OF SAVAGES, YOU GO BACK TO YOUR CAUCUS MOUNTAINS, YOU KAAZARS..IS WHAT YOU ARE, WHEN YOU AND THE ROMANS PLOTTED TO RULE THE WORLD BECAUSE YOU WERE OUTNUMBERED BY THE SO CALLED BLACKS IN THE AMERICAS AND ISRAEL, THAT YOU ALSO INVADED WITH YOUR LIES AND CORRUPTED THE ORIGINAL BLACK AND BLROWN HEBREWS…CHRIST WAS BLACK AND MOSES AND MARY AND ALL THE PROPHETS..BLACK AS YOU CALL IT WITH YOUR LIMITED VOCABULARY ARE THE HOLLIEST OF ANCESTORS….AND YOU STRIP THE TRUTH FROM THE BOOKS OF HOLLY TO COVER UP THAT THE PROPHETS WHERE BLACK…AND YOU RECREATED JESUS LINEAGE TO COVER UP THE FACT THAT HIS GRANFATHER AND MOTHER WERE BLACK…AND THEN YOU CRUCIFIED HIM..BUT LITTLE DID YOU KNOW THAT THE FATHER OF THE UNIVERSE SAVED HIM FROM YOUR EVIL CRUCIFICTION…
THEREFORE YOU GO BACK TO YOUR SAVAGE MOUNTAINS OF THE CAUCUSES AND CONTINUE TO EAT YOUR FECIS…

The Black Hand

Then why haven’t the almighty Blacks in Africa graduated beyond mud huts and little else? LMAO FOH with your retarded Ness. South Africa was a near model nation when mostly whites ran it. Look at it today. Look at Africa. A mess after all these generations of black rule. THE northern end, where Arabs, Jews, and other whites live though is flourishing. Get real. The average IQ of black people is 60-80 in the mean. 70 is retarded. The really smart blacks are in the upper of all brackets however. You’re not in that bracket clearly, you all caps moron. No, whites did not cone from you damn apes. Ironically most apes ARE smarter than the average Black person with 80 IQ’S. You’re a friggin joke at best.

Bobb

If Africa is so bad why can’t you WHITE people stay out of there ? You’ve never been to Africa so how do you know how it looks ?? you only see t.v commercials. You white people are always demeaning other races but its been proven that the human race started from BLACK people. BLACKS would have been surpassed you albino fuckers if it wasnt for yall oppressing us. oh and btw the Egyptians were BLACK people and they built pyramids so what now ??

David Ashton

The Egyptians who built the pyramids were not black Africans.
If other races evolved FROM blacks, where does this leave the original population?

The Black Hand

Oh the Egyptians are Blacks now? LMAO OK bub. That’s a lie you dummies tell yourselves because you have accomplished so little on the grand chessboard. It was Egyptians a few years ago, da tru Jewz now, the tru Olmecs, and every other damn race but black before that. North Africans are NOT black nor do they share any DNA with Blacks. They are Arab and Mediterranean, caucasoids. The only people oppressing blacks is blacks currently and mainly with these tired oppression Olympics you try to put off on every other race. I HAVE been to the Middle East and Africa and it is a shithole, mainly lower Africa. The only built up areas were built by whites or now the Chinese since you Sterling minded “true progenitors” of us all can’t build a simple railroad or keep electricity going. Facts are a hard thing for you folk to swallow when faced with them though. Fact is: You have the lowest IQs and contribution to society for a reason. You have displayed it in spades here just now, tru Egyptian Kang. Lolololol Cultural appropriating trash.

These percentages make sense given America’s history. But the conclusions the researchers came to are slightly flawed. The issue here is that they did not take into account the man made ‘One Drop Rule’ which is how America historically categorized who was white and who was black. And the two groups (white/black) formed around this idea. So it makes perfect sense that self identified “white” Americans would have little DNA from black and Native Americans, but that self identified “black” Americans would have much DNA from white Americans. In other words, we already knew this to be the case. That’s why there are so many light skinned people who identify as African American and not white. There is historical precedence for this.

Also people need to stop calling things PC just because they don’t like it. People are throwing around the word PC to the point where people don’t even understand what it means anymore and it no longer makes sense. And I hate to break it to you, America is in fact browning. You can always move.

scythian

Move where? All the white countries in Europe, Australia, Canada, New Zealand are being overrun by third world peoples. Rape and crime continue to rise and those that oppose it are imprisoned or loose their job. We will become a North American Brazil with nuclear weapons.

jayy

You did to our countries. How does it feel?

scythian

Don’t blame the euros for what smallpox did. Also Mongol’s, Turks, Moors and Arabs did the same to Europe long before.

Khalid Merghani

White people are letting the migrants in,also there wouldn’t be a migrant crisis if not for the Iraq war which was based on lies.

one could say that for blacks, them being far more likely to develope rickets… idiot… fighting racism with racism only breeds more racism.

Akhibrass

No chance of rickets if you eat a balanced diet. On the other hand, not much to beat skin cancer except stay out of the sun.

The Black Hand

They do make sun screen. Have for decades now.

Akhibrass

Given what you did to attain those countries, no one has any sympathy for your “plight”. Lol! You can always to Russian or Hungary. Latvia is pretty white.

Buzz1313

And to your point and that of the article, these results themselves are based on 160,000 people in this study. There are 300 million people in the USA, so who knows how “white” some of these white people really are?

Of course it is. Until 1965 there were hardly any Americans other than Europeans and Africans.

Marcus2012

Melting pot refers to culture not genetics…

and America is clearly a cultural melting pot.

MarleyMarx

It’s easy to explain these numbers: once a white person has offspring with a non-white person, the children are no longer considered white by the majority of whites. This is essentially what the white-supremacist “one-drop” ideology was all about.

Most likely, these children will become part of another group identity, for example Black American (if the non-white parent was Black) and will marry a person of that group. You won’t find their traces among the current white population, since they were previously outcasted by whites and became part of e.g. the black community.

That’s why on the other hand, so many people who are categorized as Black American (African-American) have significant traces of admixture with white, but such a person would not considered to be white, even if two-thirds of his/her genetic makeup would be of white European ancestry.

Emilia

This might be true of people of mixed Black and White descent but less so in the case of children from White/Asian marriages. There is a tendency for people of mixed White-Asian descent to be viewed as ‘White’ (well, maybe not by the Stormfront crowd but by members of the general population) and to see themselves as White as well. I suppose that might depend as well on factors like appearance, the family’s retention of Asian cultures or languages, place of residence, etc., but I don’t think the ‘one-drop rule’ is anywhere as strong when it comes to mixed White-Asian people.

Akhibrass

Most Asians are recent immigrants (2 to 3 generations) so their genes wouldn’t have had much time to get into the general gene pool.

Elizabeth Miller

You came to the same conclusion I did. These percentages make sense given America’s history, which the researchers seem little informed about. But the conclusions the researchers came to seem slightly flawed. The issue I’m finding here that they did not take into account the man made ‘One Drop Rule’ which is how America historically categorized who was white and who was black. And the two groups (white/black) formed around this idea. So it makes perfect sense that self identified “white” Americans would have little DNA from black and Native Americans, but that self identified “black” Americans would have much DNA from white Americans. We already knew this to be the case.

JP

So how exactly does this article educate on genetics? All I see is a discussion of “social implications.”

All this means is that we tend to define obviously biracial folks as non-white, and have done so for generations.

Where is the URL of the study quoted here so we can look at the data and compare to other studies on the same subject?

Lisa Lovett

Hi,

Since we can no longer reply in the discussion we were having on tracing Jewish ancestry through genetics, I thought I would send along an article that my Uncle who is producing the film called “Children of the Inquisition”. His website is http://www.lovettproductions.com and he has websites and facebook pages on his films, “Going Blind”, “Traveling While Black”, and “Children of the Inquisition”. Have you seen the film about Deaf performers, produced and directed by Hilary Scarl (I think that’s her name.) I think it’s called “Can you see what I’m Saying”. I have bad Chemo Brain. I
went with a friend to it’s opening in NYC in April 2010. They have a great website and are on FB.
Children of the Inquisition

Wow. You came to the same conclusion I did. These percentages make sense given America’s history, which the researchers seem little informed about. But the conclusions the researchers came to seem slightly flawed. The issue I’m finding here that they did not take into account the man made ‘One Drop Rule’ which is how America historically categorized who was white and who was black. And the two groups (white/black) formed around this idea. So it makes perfect sense that self identified “white” Americans would have little DNA from black and Native Americans, but that self identified “black” Americans would have much DNA from white Americans. We already knew this to be the case.

I’d love to see a gallery of photos of each individual person’s face along with their genomes highlighted in this article. It’d be neat to see exactly what “73.2 percent African, 24 percent European and 0.8 percent Native American” looks like compared to different genomes.

This article attracted a lot of racists dying to be told they are “pure” white, which is impossible. And this is from having very little education about genetics or understanding of what white even means.

LOL @disqus_ibPBXPTx4j:disqus. Thanks for being so polite about it. I am neither racist now misinformed. This study just got me thinking about what unknown genes I and many others likely have in our DNA and it would be neat to see headshots of people with different percentages of difference races in their genes and see the similarities and differences between each.

I think it’s fascinating how certain races have unique characteristics like large nostrils or long faces or long legs, or blonde hair, etc. and how, since we’re all “mix-breed” (not with animals, with different races of humans, I was trying to be funny when I said that…), we carry many different features from many different races. It’s one thing to just look at the numbers and see, oh, I’m 4% irish or whatever, but it’s another to see how that 4% irish translates to actual physical, or otherwise, characteristics.

I will never forget the one day I was working at Tim Hortons and a customer asked me if I was English and Scottish. I said, yes, and asked how he knew. He could tell by my facial features. Isn’t that wicked?

Seen

But certain features do, indeed, become evident across lineages[phenotypes across haplotypes]. Skin color, for example, is a codominant trait; melanocyte activity is going to be “averaged” out across the alleles that are inherited.
We’re not dogs and we don’t have to be in order to play by the foundations that have been set out by our creation.

Angelica

What is it to you? If ancient African Americans aka Hebrew Israelites (The Chosen People) were not stolen from their native land to build the New America which gave Whites and Jews economic privileges…..race mixing would not have occurred! It’s not like they volunteered to procreate with you. Stop being angry at African Americans and blame the Power structure which are the Jews for using them as a Pawn in a Dirty Chess Game!!!!! and creating racism to begin with. At the end of the day, they don’t give a damn about you either! Don’t be so concerned about facial features and different phenotypes…it’s counterproductive.

GermanicConfederate

We wuz kangs (n chozenites, kuz)

Historically illiterate sheboon. You fucking niggers really are grasping at straws here. Just accept it – you’re the missing link. You don’t have great civilizations. You’re not capable of advanced society. The only time your people every were a part of something grandiose it was as slaves. You literally have to be beaten to act civilized.

If you read the article, you will see that nigs imcludes most white people. The article also states that the nigs have a high proportion of white ancestry. This means you are probably just a nigger complaining about white people who age better and can stay outside in the sun for longer periods. You can hate black and brown all you want but a few things:

1) your idea of a white race does not in fact exist.
2) White skin will be a relic of the past. Trying to create skin tone and hair texture consistent with a perceived subrace is an element of our history but no SUNBURN TAINTED FREAK is turning my ancestry into provolone cheese.

GermanicConfederate

First, Google meta-population. My folk do exist.

Second, I’d rather be slightly more prone to sunburns than have subpar intelligence

Third whites age better – black usually die young

Last, black lives don’t matter

jz95

“Whites age better.”
HAH! White women burn out in their thirties and are husks of their former selves in no time flat.

David Innes

Whoa………
Somebody is cuckoo for cocoa puffs.

Elizabeth Miller

These percentages make sense given America’s history. But the conclusions the researchers came to are slightly flawed. The issue here is that they did not take into account the man made ‘One Drop Rule’ which is how America historically categorized who was white and who was black. And the two groups (white/black) formed around this idea. So it makes perfect sense that self identified “white” Americans would have little DNA from black and Native Americans, but that self identified “black” Americans would have much DNA from white Americans. In other words, we already knew this to be the case. That’s why there are so many light skinned people who identify as African American and not white. There is historical precedence for this.

Akhibrass

The presidents daughters?

disqus_xEFHDaxwEP

White means not black for the Americans.What “white” means compared to Europeans who posess some non-European mixtures of Arabs and mongoloides? Southern Europeans have sometimes not so white skin.

Elizabeth Miller

Yes. The definition of white and black varies across the world which makes the conclusion by the researchers flawed.

These percentages make sense given America’s history. But the conclusions the researchers came to are slightly flawed. The issue here is that they did not take into account the man made ‘One Drop Rule’ which is how America historically categorized who was white and who was black. And the two groups (white/black) formed around this idea. So it makes perfect sense that self identified “white” Americans would have little DNA from black and Native Americans, but that self identified “black” Americans would have much DNA from white Americans. In other words, we already knew this to be the case. That’s why there are so many light skinned people who identify as African American and not white. There is historical precedence for this.

Todd Lewis

You could use Hitler style racism. He had cheese in mind when he formulated his racial idea: the great mozzarella. He made a distinction between different white groups in Europe. For instance there was a Mediterranean race which was superior to African but inferior to Mozzarella.

What do you call a white woman having a black baby? One less piece of white garbage to exterminate once the Americans take over from the freaks.

Elizabeth Miller

These percentages make sense given America’s history. But the conclusions the researchers came to seem slightly flawed. The issue I’m finding here that they did not take into account the man made ‘One Drop Rule’ which is how America historically categorized who was white and who was black. And the two groups (white/black) formed around this idea. So it makes perfect sense that self identified “white” Americans would have little DNA from black and Native Americans, but that self identified “black” Americans would have much DNA from white Americans. We already knew this to be the case.

This article attracted a lot of racists dying to be told they are “pure” white, which is impossible. And they have very little education about genetics or understanding of what white even means.

Seen

How many times did you post the exact same thing[like, verbatim]? I count like eight times.
Not that the input isn’t appreciated; but you can only use up so much bandwidth saying the same thing.

tentantoes

Not done mine as I am female no brothers and father passed away. But a same name cousin has a 28% Mediterranean background. That must be unusual for a native Kentuckian.

tentantoes

Oh….and the entire world is a diaspora melting pot

ytuque

“white Americans are shockingly European to an incredibly high degree for a population with roots on this continent for 400 years.”

Fool didn’t consider that whites who cannot trace ancestry to before 20th century would have limited Native American admixture.

Yeah No

That study did not test mitochondrial DNA. Fail.

Flobow Trust

I always thought “melting pot” meant that we were several different European countries mixed together not European/Black and Native. I would not have thought or expected there to be a big mixture of those three. However, when it comes to the Europeans that mixed, we really did get a good variety. So, now, we are all AMERICAN folks……..White/Red/Black/Yellow or otherwise………It’s time to get beyond the skin color and just be glad for all the cultural things we can learn from one another. There’s my “two cents” on the subject.

Jon

This is highly deceptive when you consider they used white Americans who specifically go back a dozen generations!

I live in North East Ohio and in my life out of the hundreds of people I have met and had long conversations with, far more had North American Indian ancestry than did not. Ancestry that is just 2 to 4 generations back meaning even though we’re white we are at least 6.25% Native American or more!

I can think of dozens and dozens of white people I have met or known over the last 25 years that are all part Native American along with those who are not.
You’re in a room with 20 sometimes 30 people at a party, it gets brought up and what happens?
90% of the room is “hey I am too!”

This study is bullshit because they specifically used white Americans that are a dozen generations domestic which means one obvious thing.
These are the people who in many cases still only marry and breed with white people who are purely European or 95%+

Nice try assholes but there’s no discrediting the culture where I live and my empirical observation. The mere assertion that most white Americans are over 90% white European is absolutely absurd.
This study was rigged.

lou

this study is most likely correct.take this into consideration:people who are white will be as this study says.white people can not mix with any other non white people and produce a child that is white.this is due to the fact that the gene that makes a person white is not a dominate gene its recessive.this is the reason any white racist who wants to make sure that white people stay on this planet are 1000% opposed to mixing.This is the reason for White supremacy!they will cease to exist if they didn’t have this global system in place.white people make up about 20% of the people on the planet.white supremacy is the system of the planet.okay a lot of comments are saying this race that race.Who told you that you belong to a race?White Supremacist made the up white white being at the top and black being at the bottom.Black people are the biggest threat them genetically.let me stop here because if you Do not understand white supremacy then what im stating will not make any sense to you.people think its, a dont like this group of people somebody saying racial slurs or is just the kkk.

93% of US whites marry US whites and the 7% almost exclusively Asian and Latino. Therefore the browning of America is happening only through migration.

bob

will zimmer the jew mix his blood line; typical zionist of course not, they segregate jews at birth from non-jews in Israel. Europeans need to protect their culture and breed only with other whites I see no problem with this why should whites feel guilty about their skin colour. Europeans wish to live with their own kind then its to be applauded