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Infraction Question and Clarification

First I don't use forums much and actually had a problem until this update where I wasn't able to log into my Lotro Forum account since about March? Didn't affect me much but it was annoying.

Second I read a piece from Sapience saying there is no such thing as a 30 day ban. Which is true but I think what he was missing is that there used to be a 30 day ban and I know this for a fact because I and about 12 other individuals got ourselves a 30 day ban at one point for an exploit that was quite obvious and we all thought was hilarious and worth it at the time. I still do personally but most of the others decided to leave the game a long time ago for greener pastures of pvp. Also I've never been given a warning when I've been banned I think it was a week for first month for second can't remember if I ever got a 3 month. Regardless this was before the change to the system for bannings and the institution of the Infraction system of point tallies. That I just read about is automatic. I don't use the forums much so I'm catching up on that since it is clearly relevant to me. lol... Ya so that's like 3 years behind the times update anyway.

Third, sorry about the rant I indulge in the talking too much. After checking for Infractions at the general settings, settings page etc. I did not see any infractions. I can't check my posts because I've only made about 17 I think total in about 6 and half years, however long this game has been live since Open beta began, and I don't see any of them available for my viewing. The very first 3 were when I was livid to say the least with the changes the burglar had undergone during book 11 of S.O.A., adding the cd to stealth under the pretext of pve, when it was clearly a necessary pvp fix, and then Moria, when the evade of my burg when from about 23-24% possible 28% down to 11% or so. So I can't see any posts to check that method someone mentioned. It's 4 a.m. so please forgive me if this isn't clear enough and I put to much extra details to sift through.

What I want to know is are all warning and infractions put on the Infarction's Tab for both in game and Forums? If not where and how can I see the infraction number or times I've been banned etc. and where I stand for in-game infractions? Thank you very much for your time and consideration if anyone responds. I hope this adds to the conversation and doesn't repeat what has already been stated regarding forum infrations. If this had already been answered about in-game infractions please just link the thread and I'll read it. Thank you.

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I think you're confusing forum infractions with in-game infractions. As far as I understand it they're separate but connected, i.e. you can get a temporary ban from using the forums but still play the game. In-game infractions would not show up in the forums. Getting your in-game account permanently banned will, however, lock you out from posting on the forums.

Or something like that. I'm sure Sapience will come by and correct me.

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First I don't use forums much and actually had a problem until this update where I wasn't able to log into my Lotro Forum account since about March? Didn't affect me much but it was annoying.

Second I read a piece from Sapience saying there is no such thing as a 30 day ban. Which is true but I think what he was missing is that there used to be a 30 day ban and I know this for a fact because I and about 12 other individuals got ourselves a 30 day ban at one point for an exploit that was quite obvious and we all thought was hilarious and worth it at the time. I still do personally but most of the others decided to leave the game a long time ago for greener pastures of pvp. Also I've never been given a warning when I've been banned I think it was a week for first month for second can't remember if I ever got a 3 month. Regardless this was before the change to the system for bannings and the institution of the Infraction system of point tallies. That I just read about is automatic. I don't use the forums much so I'm catching up on that since it is clearly relevant to me. lol... Ya so that's like 3 years behind the times update anyway.

Third, sorry about the rant I indulge in the talking too much. After checking for Infractions at the general settings, settings page etc. I did not see any infractions. I can't check my posts because I've only made about 17 I think total in about 6 and half years, however long this game has been live since Open beta began, and I don't see any of them available for my viewing. The very first 3 were when I was livid to say the least with the changes the burglar had undergone during book 11 of S.O.A., adding the cd to stealth under the pretext of pve, when it was clearly a necessary pvp fix, and then Moria, when the evade of my burg when from about 23-24% possible 28% down to 11% or so. So I can't see any posts to check that method someone mentioned. It's 4 a.m. so please forgive me if this isn't clear enough and I put to much extra details to sift through.

What I want to know is are all warning and infractions put on the Infarction's Tab for both in game and Forums? If not where and how can I see the infraction number or times I've been banned etc. and where I stand for in-game infractions? Thank you very much for your time and consideration if anyone responds. I hope this adds to the conversation and doesn't repeat what has already been stated regarding forum infrations. If this had already been answered about in-game infractions please just link the thread and I'll read it. Thank you.

Until Thursday, August 1 there were no 30 day forum bans obtained through infractions. This is a fact. The forums have always had infractions and infraction points and bans. Since closed beta in 2006. The only significant changes to that system were in 2010 when F2P was instituted and we added permanent bans for having 10 total infractions for premium and VIP account, or 2 total infractions for F2P accounts. On Aug 1 we added various longer and shorter forum bans. So everything I said was factually accurate.

However, what you are talking about is a EULA/COC violation IN GAME. Which you clearly knew you were doing. In game bans and forum bans are very different things. If you are banned from the forums you can still play. if you are banned from the games you are banned from the game and the forums for the period of time the in game team decides is appropriate. It has nothing to do with forum infractions, points, or warning. You violated a rule that in game took action on.

Knowingly violating the COC/EULA and knowingly exploiting and knowing it was an exploit, I have to admit I'm surprised in game was so lenient on you by only issuing a 30 day ban. They could have done a far longer ban or permanent ban.

As for forum warning and infractions they show up on your infractions tab (if you do not have a tab you do not have warnings or infractions). In Game warnings and infractions do NOT show up there. You would need to contact in game and ask them about it (I recommend calling).

Now that that's cleared up I'm going to post a quick reminder (all of this should have been done through PMs), and then close this thread.

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