it shouldn't be allowed to be postponed, if they postpone it will be for the sake of the Tory party, its just more can kicking which doesn't help the country. So yes I expect that is what will happen. The Tories don't deserve to be in power again after this.

My understanding is that to postpone the vote at this point parliament would need to vote on it. Its possible she has the numbers but as May and the EU keep telling us this is the only deal on offer what is the point of postponing the inevitable? May needs to stop putting her own career above that of the country.

Theresa May has a history of saying one thing repeatedly, then caving in to pressure and doing a u-turn. If she can she will postpone the vote, go back to the EU with the demands of the ERG in hand - this is exactly what she has done every time the ERG have threatened to derail her, so it would seem out of character for her not to do the same now.

My understanding is that to postpone the vote at this point parliament would need to vote on it. Its possible she has the numbers but as May and the EU keep telling us this is the only deal on offer what is the point of postponing the inevitable? May needs to stop putting her own career above that of the country.

yes she would definitely have the numbers, Labour have even suggested she goes back so I can't see how they could not support.
May and the EU would tell you that it's the only deal on offer, they want the deal to be passed.
The reality is though, BOTH sides need a deal or an extension or whatever. Barnier can huff and puff all he likes.

My understanding is that to postpone the vote at this point parliament would need to vote on it. Its possible she has the numbers but as May and the EU keep telling us this is the only deal on offer what is the point of postponing the inevitable? May needs to stop putting her own career above that of the country.

yes she would definitely have the numbers, Labour have even suggested she goes back so I can't see how they could not support.
May and the EU would tell you that it's the only deal on offer, they want the deal to be passed.
The reality is though, BOTH sides need a deal or an extension or whatever. Barnier can huff and puff all he likes.

My understanding is that to postpone the vote at this point parliament would need to vote on it. Its possible she has the numbers but as May and the EU keep telling us this is the only deal on offer what is the point of postponing the inevitable? May needs to stop putting her own career above that of the country.

yes she would definitely have the numbers, Labour have even suggested she goes back so I can't see how they could not support.
May and the EU would tell you that it's the only deal on offer, they want the deal to be passed.
The reality is though, BOTH sides need a deal or an extension or whatever. Barnier can huff and puff all he likes.

So if the UK wants more from the EU, its seems fair and logical to expect the EU to want more from the UK. 27 members will want more, Barnier is only the spokesperson for the 27 members he takes his instruction from the EU members

My understanding is that to postpone the vote at this point parliament would need to vote on it. Its possible she has the numbers but as May and the EU keep telling us this is the only deal on offer what is the point of postponing the inevitable? May needs to stop putting her own career above that of the country.

yes she would definitely have the numbers, Labour have even suggested she goes back so I can't see how they could not support.
May and the EU would tell you that it's the only deal on offer, they want the deal to be passed.
The reality is though, BOTH sides need a deal or an extension or whatever. Barnier can huff and puff all he likes.

People, including politicians, need to finally get away from calling the whole thing "a deal".

The WA will not be changed and that includes the Irish backstop. Not a chance in hell. The WA is also not a deal; it's more or less the equivalent of an agreement made between two people getting a divorce.

As for the political declaration - the UK can go back at any time and tell the EU we want a FTA and will come up with unicorns to avoid the backstop; or we have changed our mind on the redlines and we want to have bilateral treaties on goods and create a customs union; or we actually think we can get by with just a customs union; or anything else it believes works. If it's an off the shelf solution then this would be implemented most likely before the end of the transition period. If it's something more exotic then it may take longer.

It baffles me how MPs keep banging on about that there are no guarantees or even treaties that ensure we cooperate in security or whatever else. THERE LEGALLY CAN'T BE ANYTHING SET IN STONE UNTIL AFTER WE HAVE LEFT.

If the WA is not acceptable to the UK because of the backstop then the UK has the opportunity to say on 30 March 2019 "we want to make sure the backstop is never needed so we want to negotiate [insert deal that would avoid backstop]." Problem solved.

MPs, press and the majority of people in the UK don't understand the EU's point of view on this and don't understand that the WA is just that. It is entirely in the UK's power, after 29 March, to chose an option (out of many) that doesn't require the backstop. NOW IS NOT THE TIME.

She will try to delay it. That's been her modus operandi. She has been drip feeding everyone with fear while slowly taking time away until your conviction gets blurred or until you get cold feet or you're worn down. I won't be surprised if she gets this deal passed eventually..

"..this deal is the best for our United Kingdom....and..this is the only deal available....nothing else....do you want to crash out with no deal....just think if our United Kingdom crashed out without a deal........think...... think.... and think some more.......i'll give you more time....."

BIBI: cue the very emotive possessive pronoun rather than the definite article "The".

My understanding is that to postpone the vote at this point parliament would need to vote on it. Its possible she has the numbers but as May and the EU keep telling us this is the only deal on offer what is the point of postponing the inevitable? May needs to stop putting her own career above that of the country.

yes she would definitely have the numbers, Labour have even suggested she goes back so I can't see how they could not support.
May and the EU would tell you that it's the only deal on offer, they want the deal to be passed.
The reality is though, BOTH sides need a deal or an extension or whatever. Barnier can huff and puff all he likes.

People, including politicians, need to finally get away from calling the whole thing "a deal".

The WA will not be changed and that includes the Irish backstop. Not a chance in hell. The WA is also not a deal; it's more or less the equivalent of an agreement made between two people getting a divorce.

As for the political declaration - the UK can go back at any time and tell the EU we want a FTA and will come up with unicorns to avoid the backstop; or we have changed our mind on the redlines and we want to have bilateral treaties on goods and create a customs union; or we actually think we can get by with just a customs union; or anything else it believes works. If it's an off the shelf solution then this would be implemented most likely before the end of the transition period. If it's something more exotic then it may take longer.

It baffles me how MPs keep banging on about that there are no guarantees or even treaties that ensure we cooperate in security or whatever else. THERE LEGALLY CAN'T BE ANYTHING SET IN STONE UNTIL AFTER WE HAVE LEFT.

If the WA is not acceptable to the UK because of the backstop then the UK has the opportunity to say on 30 March 2019 "we want to make sure the backstop is never needed so we want to negotiate [insert deal that would avoid backstop]." Problem solved.

MPs, press and the majority of people in the UK don't understand the EU's point of view on this and don't understand that the WA is just that. It is entirely in the UK's power, after 29 March, to chose an option (out of many) that doesn't require the backstop. NOW IS NOT THE TIME.

Notes to stop calling it a deal!
MP's, i think we can agree, are never going to vote for anything where they can't see what's at the end of the rainbow. As you say, they don't understand, or perhaps don't want to understand how this works. It's just not in their nature.

My understanding is that to postpone the vote at this point parliament would need to vote on it. Its possible she has the numbers but as May and the EU keep telling us this is the only deal on offer what is the point of postponing the inevitable? May needs to stop putting her own career above that of the country.

yes she would definitely have the numbers, Labour have even suggested she goes back so I can't see how they could not support.
May and the EU would tell you that it's the only deal on offer, they want the deal to be passed.
The reality is though, BOTH sides need a deal or an extension or whatever. Barnier can huff and puff all he likes.

People, including politicians, need to finally get away from calling the whole thing "a deal".

The WA will not be changed and that includes the Irish backstop. Not a chance in hell. The WA is also not a deal; it's more or less the equivalent of an agreement made between two people getting a divorce.

As for the political declaration - the UK can go back at any time and tell the EU we want a FTA and will come up with unicorns to avoid the backstop; or we have changed our mind on the redlines and we want to have bilateral treaties on goods and create a customs union; or we actually think we can get by with just a customs union; or anything else it believes works. If it's an off the shelf solution then this would be implemented most likely before the end of the transition period. If it's something more exotic then it may take longer.

It baffles me how MPs keep banging on about that there are no guarantees or even treaties that ensure we cooperate in security or whatever else. THERE LEGALLY CAN'T BE ANYTHING SET IN STONE UNTIL AFTER WE HAVE LEFT.

If the WA is not acceptable to the UK because of the backstop then the UK has the opportunity to say on 30 March 2019 "we want to make sure the backstop is never needed so we want to negotiate [insert deal that would avoid backstop]." Problem solved.

MPs, press and the majority of people in the UK don't understand the EU's point of view on this and don't understand that the WA is just that. It is entirely in the UK's power, after 29 March, to chose an option (out of many) that doesn't require the backstop. NOW IS NOT THE TIME.

Notes to stop calling it a deal!
MP's, i think we can agree, are never going to vote for anything where they can't see what's at the end of the rainbow. As you say, they don't understand, or perhaps don't want to understand how this works. It's just not in their nature.

It's pathetic. It's really not rocket science. Out of everything that is happening this makes me cross the most.

I think she is leading up to some sort announcement just before Christmas.

She's pregnant, but let me make it clear it will be a girl, but she's told everyone she wants a boy and there is no other option so it will be staying where it is inside her tummy since conception, labour and the transition period from baby to infant.

This vote needs to play out as scheduled.
It's clear that the vote will fail which gives May the opportunity to go back to the EU, tell them how much it stinks, and ask for concessions.
She should tell the EU that the concessions need to be more than the level of crumbs they threw Cameron 3 yrs ago.
If they make sufficient concessions, she can come back for a second vote and hope it passes.
There - I kicked the can a couple of weeks further.

This vote needs to play out as scheduled.
It's clear that the vote will fail which gives May the opportunity to go back to the EU, tell them how much it stinks, and ask for concessions.
She should tell the EU that the concessions need to be more than the level of crumbs they threw Cameron 3 yrs ago.
If they make sufficient concessions, she can come back for a second vote and hope it passes.
There - I kicked the can a couple of weeks further.

The UK wanting more from the EU, the EU 27 members will want more from the UK

This vote needs to play out as scheduled.
It's clear that the vote will fail which gives May the opportunity to go back to the EU, tell them how much it stinks, and ask for concessions.
She should tell the EU that the concessions need to be more than the level of crumbs they threw Cameron 3 yrs ago.
If they make sufficient concessions, she can come back for a second vote and hope it passes.
There - I kicked the can a couple of weeks further.

What would you classify as 'sufficient concessions'? And are you being realistic?

This vote needs to play out as scheduled.
It's clear that the vote will fail which gives May the opportunity to go back to the EU, tell them how much it stinks, and ask for concessions.
She should tell the EU that the concessions need to be more than the level of crumbs they threw Cameron 3 yrs ago.
If they make sufficient concessions, she can come back for a second vote and hope it passes.
There - I kicked the can a couple of weeks further.

What concessions can the EU possibly give in the WA? The sticking point is the irish border backstop, but what do you think the EU should do that gives them peace of mind that there will never be a border in Ireland?