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Given Jesse Benn’s repulsive indulgence in self-criticism on other people’s behalf, the riposte almost writes itself. It’s hard to see anything in the push-back that seems uncalled for.

Just to be clear: Speaking as a self-appointed representative for people you feel free to disassociate from at will is as annoying as hell. It’s hard for me to believe Benn is too stupid to see that, which leaves the malignant devious evil option.

If the West sees another mass outbreak of antisemitism, a plaintive “Why?” is going to look laughable. Benn’s ilk are why.

(You might want the other half of the proxy-masochism cognitive dissonance machinery. This (entirely non-obnoxious piece) is also well-worth a read.)

Some devious Jew pretending to be a Caucasian shitlib wrote a piece titled “Why We Need White Wounding” for the Huffingglue Post. The usual White Guilt nonsense, except even the mediocrities who frequent HP called him out on his White Guilt promotion.

Of course, the real progress will come when people notice that dysgenic think pieces like that one are “surprisingly” often written by Jews.

While my own minimally (and I stress minimally) intellectually informative response was not expressly anti-Semitic in nature, it was quite angry. Ethno/racial hegemony induces invisibility, and now that whites are visible, Jesse Benn sees a white tailed deer, and strings his arrow…to anyone interested my rant YouTube video is “On White Wounding: A Personal Fuc* You To Jesse Benn.”

If I thought Benn was a typical Jew I’d be pulling on my jackboots without a second’s hesitation. I’m lucky enough to have enough Jewish friends, family, and intellectual heroes to know that he’s just an extraordinary malicious idiot (although not quite extraordinary enough).

My immediate response probably qualifies as antisemitic, which is curious since I am a practicing Jew. I have to wonder if this sort or claptrap isn’t designed to force Jews onto the side of NAMs in the event of race war. Regardless of the intent, when American Jews lash out at the best friends we’ve ever had in our 3000+ year history it makes me think of Phineas.

I’ve never met an American Jew that I liked. However, I’ve met a number of quite decent Israeli Jews. My working theory for this is as follows:

The American Jewish/Ashkenazi “reform” tradition is inseparable from progressivism, and, as such, American Jews are raised with progressivism as their religion. Many of them latch onto progressivism with the zeal and religious fervor of their fellow-Jew Torquemada — and all of them are at least reflexive leftists. (Until they reprogram themselves, if that day ever comes.) This helps to explain why they the Jews are so over-represented in malignant social and political movements.

It follows that these American Jews identify more with the progressive movement than they identify with religious/traditionalist Jews, or with Jews outside the mainstream of Progressive thought. There’s some evidence for this in the Progressive Jew’s attitude towards Israel. Take a look at Benn’s Twitter account: It is actively pro-Palestine. (By “actively” I mean that he goes out of his way to post anti-Zionist materials.) Clearly, he identifies with international progressivism before he identifies with his Jewish brethren in the MidEast.

Of course Benn and his ilk are utterly loathsome. Not all Jews are like him, and many are very fine individuals, but the Prog-Jewish Zealot is an exceptionally disgusting type, and has a disproportionately negative influence.

Aside: The article from Ben Kitman is an exercise in pointless and inane sophism. I think that the HBD crowd has a far firmer grasp of the same object. Hell, 23andMe can tell you precisely how Jewish, how European, or how African you are.

I have in fact every one that I know well and it’s more than a dozen at least [I’m in NYC area] has been friend, comrade and benefactor to me. Even the not quite likeable were in the clutch [war]. I also know fairly well a Jewish Charity for the most unfortunate among us [the retarded] that’s run honestly and with decent treatment.

Which is why people such as self-loathing Benn are doubly evil for they’re bringing Hell on their own. The cycle has already begun.

I refer to my first political statement ever: Names not groups.

If that’s not angry enough for you do consider that people like Soros and Benn have the tethering and staking of their own as scapegoats as part of their plan of profit and escape, as Moldbug himself pointed out in UR.

Benn should renounce his right of return, I think, if he’s so anti-Zionist. Besides, if he can’t retreat to Israel if he and his ilk were to do severe and permanent damage to the West, he actually has skin in the game. Until then I see no reason to take him seriously, as he’s playing with house money, so to speak.

To me it seems as though he shares the dyed-in-the-wool progressive’s hatred of Israel and cannot imagine moving there. (He must feel pretty comfortable, now that progressivism is the official religion of the state, and his loathsome “coreligionists” are ascending to overbearing cultural dominance.) Those of you who can should view this exchange: https://twitter.com/jessebenn/status/603367807196135424

If there were a button which, once pressed, removed all Jews from the Middle East and destroyed the state of Israel, I’m confident that Benn would press it without giving the matter a second thought.

…But, with that out of the way, I agree with you completely: He and his loathsome ilk benefit from a safety-net that they do not deserve. Perhaps it makes them feel more comfortable than they should, which in turn leads to destructive and obnoxious behavior. I’d never take a person like Benn seriously in any case, but I certainly see your point…

I’d add: “Men” like him have already done, and are still doing, severe and possibly permanent damage to the culture and the people of the West.

Admin: one of the most horrifying moments in my life was reading some stock WN “blame the Jooooos” article a while back and thinking about how accurately it applied to many of the people I grew up with (including some relatives). My main objection to the WNs isn’t that they’re off base, but that they lump my whole tribe in with the (imo 30%) ones who seem to genuinely want the world to burn.

I would say that Talmudic Jews are even worse than progressive/commie, secular ones, though luckily they are very withdrawn and autarkic, separated from Gentile society, and as such detrimental only to themselves.

What exactly is a Talmudic Jew? The Talmud has been part of religious Jewish practice for many centuries and is an integral part of all orthodox practice. Oh, wait, you don’t like it because it’s racist, right? I’m not religious myself, but I’ve already met enough non-Jews spouting off about the Talmud and how horrible it is to last me a lifetime.

If those cloistered ultra-Orthodox Jews are detrimental only to themselves, then any assertion that they’re somehow worse than the progressive secular Jews seems untenable to me. The progressive Jews are detrimental to all of us and to every civilization they reside in. (And, as others have rightly noted, are most detrimental to other Jews, particularly to the relatively uncommon non-progressive secular Jew.)
Benn typifies this.

These are the people who speak on the behalf of an ethnicity but who also reject any basis for shared genetic interests.

“Speaking as a self-appointed representative for people you feel free to disassociate from at will is as annoying as hell.”

‘Free association’ itself is a term that (one could argue) privileges intentional choice, which may further encourage delusional egoistic preeminence. If formal (Hoppean) property rights are indissociable from kinship relations than the costliness of exit will be the main method of defection deterrence. Frank Salter’s distinction between genetic interests as they empirically exist and as they are (misguidedly) pursued is a provoking one, and especially valid in a climate of masochistic herd complicity. Misalignment of self-interest is stupidity (self-sabotage) and seems, at first glance, to be well-represented by Jesse Benn, but he’s probably being well-compensated for his work, and that makes him a lot worse than stupid.

Obsessions with sex, race, self-loathing aren’t intrinsically American, Western or indeed part of any culture but one. We don’t need to become Nazi, we need to acknowledge the pathology and get healthy distance from the sickness.

As if this Benn fellow will stick around to face the music he conjures for a moment. Disgusting.

The pathologies that feed Cathedralization are not all that distinctive unfortunately, and in fact are mostly primitive. Envy and greed are primate traits after all. An analysis of the incentive structure of the Cathedral must take into account its dynamic as a global church of multiculturalism, as well as the growing diversity of its adherents. The question of who or what is the ‘agency’ driving this grand Unitarian communism has already cost a lot of ink, and also represents one of the strongest areas of consensus in NRx, so much so they’ve even given it a name (hint: it is not ‘The Synagogue’). Further, there’s an excellent reason NRx does not call it ‘the Synagogue’, and this is because the propensity to blank-slate anti-materialism and the correlating denial of biological truths (gender, race) is a distinctly European one. Here I’ll digress slightly: when Larry David jokes that he eagerly awaits the day all races have interbred and become one, he is not expressing self-loathing or even a Jewish anti-white conspiracy, but just giving a Jewish eloquence to the same old misguided PC ideas. Or even better, he’s undermining the whole ideology by explicitly acknowledging racial differences, but, as Zizek will try to tell you, there is no contradiction between good ideological communism and anti-PC obscenity. Has anyone watched Curb Your Enthusiasm? It would be a great case study for NRx critical theory. Larry David is no race-denier but he is most certainly a proponent of progressive modernity, and his whole shtick is PC transgression, which, although mild in comparison with Moldbug, is genuinely humorous. White Nationalists in attempting to exonerate Europeans from blame for progressivism are doing so for there own political reasons, namely, that their plan is worthless unless Whites really have been brainwashed by self-loathing Jews to auto-holocaust together, because if that’s the case there is a possibility for patriotic reprogramming. But, on the other hand, if progressivism is a runaway ratchet to degenerate ruin, built right into white DNA, and which won’t ever be reversed, and can only be escaped, then NRx exit strategies are more solid.

To follow on randomly: Benne’s article is on another level of corruption to Hershkovic, who at least appears to stick with being ‘not white’ and Jewish, whereas Benne is a psychopath who says one thing than the other. The cognitive dissonance on display when reading their articles back-to-back is sheer insanity, and maybe following WN’s on twitter and receiving the daily dose of disgust-reflex stimulus has dulled my capacity to notice the exceptional outrage when I see it. Benne’s motives are not certain, but they are certainly pure evil. ‘The Synagogue’ has its modest truth, but if progressivism is a mind-virus that has won dominance at the expense of its populations, if such is possible, then the Jews are infected, and why should they be less worthy of salvation than the whites who are caught in this democratic hell? Evidently there are examples of extremely shady Jewish influence, and it’s not hard to be anti-Semitic against Jesse Benne, but if there’s going to be a turn against his style of corrupt proselytizing it will need to take place in the minds of the populations he leeches upon, and a change in the powers above him to whom he worms (I’m assuming their not all Jews at HuffPo?).

Whlle its a certainty Larry david votes democrat his humor proves he doesnt buy it for a second. How is this possible easy he lives the life of someone with 450 million in the bank. so he gives his vote to charity. This is how how most progressives vote. either they have never experienced actual multiculturalism or have escaped it. This is why the Jewish failure to extend a hand to western civilization is so devastating they are too intelligent and perceptive to not understand what is going on and their role to whatever degree is. yet they do nothing. well actually they do a lot of harm maybe not as much as stormfront thinks but a hell of a lot more than the average person realizes.

Im also from nyc and maybe most of my friends are Jews, certainly a lot .they are smart funny sensitive insightful ; I could go on .They hate the Hasidim who i also like because I like human culture and tradition and moxy, They are almost uniformly far leftist, Yet are natural race realists they cant help noticing things they are smart funny….But I have this problem I cant help noticing they dont speak up about their more extreme brethrens anti white attacks, let alone their moderate brethrens rather cancerous deconstruction of western civilization .[which they are at least as usual way over represented in,and given history I would think would be cautious about attacking hosts or assimilating fully] , they fail to notice the extreme over representation in the ruling arts yet are excellent at rooting out micro aggression. Their average IQ is so phenomenal yet nary a word about it its seems impossible thats not orchestrated in some way even casually.

For a while i figured working for civil rights for blacks etc was a strategy for their own survival in a culture they didnt trust. Civil rights was good for the Jews. But the strength of that case has weakened considerably since civil rights has morphed into anti white anti male anti christian anti westciv, while simultaneously the same jews have shrugged off their identity racial and religious to an extent they could simply become us no need to be defensive and yet while they have shrugged off the identifier to outsiders they continue to keep tabs on each other, what famous people are Jewish, was an insult to someone cryptically because they have a distant jewish relative.In other words they are jewish when it suits them but are no longer hostage to a religious allegiance, also very few people outside stormfront are anti Semites any more. They are way too self aware to be incognizant of what is going on which is an inordinate percent of Jews are working against other ? whites very effectively. Im fine with including them in whites I am in favor of winning them over to the struggle for western civilization but it seems they have other ideas.
Now many whites are doing the same thing, maybe per MM are the true architects. Its a whole other issue. Blacks and Hispanics really have no choice, they understand they can not compete on a level playing field and can never pass as white either visually or behaviorally so they take advantage of the dynamic the liberals have set up for them. Ironically its a non zero chance they will inherit the earth for a short time before we all pass from it.
This may seem hateful Im sorry I dont mean it that way I just think the level of anti white west male christian cis,discourse is right out of the third Reich. I dont see how there will be a collapse no matter how much debt etc they will simply put troops on the street and control the communication oh yeah they already have. so I see a very tiny window of hope and polite talk can no longer be afforded.West Civ could use a hand right now Jews cant not understand they the silence is deafening.

And I acknowledge there are Jews who are not part of it and am hopeful that some Jews finding the DENRX acceptable is a harbinger of a change. Honestly Im not sure if i were a jew I could brave some of the conversation in the far right. I never thought leftism would pose enough of a threat to make me wonder some of the things I do. Actually I think leftism is a luxury ideology born of americas success. what sort of reaction does your speaking up engender? The thing that drives me mad about all this is I cant believe all elites are so stupid to not see what is so plain, that this will end badly for them as well in the end.For instance I think already a neo anti semitism is rising both on the left and the right and i see it merging with other backlashes like white privilege and anti capitalism. But maybe not I also see almost no real resistance from whites that the end seems inevitable , its all surreal lately.

The last few years I’ve been pushing the edge, hard. I consider myself to be in a long running experiment to discover the best way to convince uninterested Goodwhites of subversive Dark Enlightenment stuff. This is basically game applied to other objectives than getting laid.

To my surprise, I’ve found that most of the time, most groups I’m with can hang with me, even when I go straight for the jugular with black crime stats, even when I point out that comparing statistics to nearly-pure-white European social welfare states is unfair to the US unless you racially disaggregate and compare white to white. I’ve done this with my boss, with office mate, with my fiancé, with my sister, with neighborhood acquaintances at the local bar. I rarely get the kind of horrified defiance that is so inevitable to find the internet.

I think that most non-political people appreciate having the ice skillfully broken by such a charming interlocutor as I myself usually am. And I think many of them realize, after talking to me, that they’ve never even once in their sheltered lives had the case against Cathedralist narratives actually put forward in a coherent way.

Sometimes I go too far, but this is part of the experiment in finding the edge. Just today, actually, I worried that I pushed too hard at lunch with my coworkers. I said I’d order the destruction of the boat people if I had command of the Italian navy. An atheist-Christian moderate SWPL told me that history would judge me harshly for that. (The ironclad certainty in their own righteousness is galling to me. I wonder if Ryan has even once considered that perhaps it is he who is on the wrong side of history). I told him that I don’t feel accountable to history, but rather to the plaintive look in my own childrens’ eyes. And I blurted out that such actions are justified in the face of an existential threat to the white race. I really hope it doesn’t come back on me later – however, I don’t think it will, since I work in the non-pozzed oil industry, in a hard tech division, with no women or HR in sight.

This maggot hates his own people so it shouldn’t be a surprise when he spouts off on whites. We have a slight problem with his ilk in the Jewish community, and always had; here in Israel we at least know how to treat them, as pariahs.

Just like the Hellenizers of old, assimilationist Jews rely on a powerful progressive impetus to action that is rooted in a cohesive, mainstream non-Jewish culture of which they wish to be a part of. As ultimate religious avatars for Hellenic/Progressive value systems, they tend to be extreme in their views and actions against non-assimilationist Jews and heretics in general. The only thing that can be done to prevent this outcome is to take would-be assimilationists out of the powerful religious narrative system that they live under; nowadays this would mean encouraging North American aliyah to Israel. Israeli society is not immune to the progressive narrative, but here at least the majority is inherently nauseated by such talk and is willing to aggressively repudiate it.

@michael
Yeah Im in construction and can and do the same. It gets more challenging every year with non work friends though. I think the 60s/70s had enough of a freedom over equality and irreverent tilt that I was able to ride. Im kind of an alpha and tend to get away with stuff others might not. Once at a dinner party a couple years ago I got away with asking this black model i know if she wanted to play Thomas and Sally. There was dead silence among the men till the women broke up in hysterics. Black girls can blush. I wouldnt push that far today.But that wasnt too far outside my usual routine until very recently. As the comedians are wont to complain of late no one has a sense of humor. Humor can work still , word choice is important and tone. Im sort of the block president in Crown heights and can get things supported by throwing in words like community and at risk youth, when need be. But in the end I wonder if its even worth the effort. You can spend a great effort getting one person to understand the difference in crime stats then the next day hear them blame it all on poverty and racism or privilege .The sheer weight of leftist presumption is staggering.I dont know how I escaped it, Im 27 years sober and drank my way out of two university attempts which i think helped. Also the Jesuits in high school emphasized critical thinking and i loved science since I was a kid, also my Dad subscribed to several conservative publications like First Things and National review, the new criterion etc And im oppositional by nature.So I spent decades talking against socialism with my almost exclusively liberal friends. While as a new yorker I was hardly naive about race it wasnt the focus except in terms of typical “conservative” meme ,welfare culture is hurting blacks and us -think. Its odd I read the bell curve when it first came out and got it but somehow only shallowly.As if it wasnt really news and at the same time not critical. I thought their main point about cognitive sorting was more critical. now Im not convinced the sorts as thorough as they think having lived in rural areas I see those whites dont even take SATs nor would consider college.
though the rodney king and oj simpson twanna brawley hardened me a bit.As did the general first wave of PC. But the trayvon case got me thinking about how irrational the word racism is and I went back to the bell curve and all that followed and tried to disprove HBd then ended up at Griffe sailor vdare and MM etc where it finally sunk in that the implications of vast racial difference were going to destroy us all. I was literally in shock trauma for a year or two I see no way multiculturalism works. Sure id we had a small black pop and jews eventually assimilated or relaxed but with whites becoming minority and leftism I cant see this ending other than ugly. And I cant see how its not obvious, maybe its because all most elites know of minorities they learned at grad school. but surely they can read.

The Bell Curve was an eye-opener. So was the Blank Slate. One was written by a Jew and the other co-authored by a Jew. Oh, and Unqualified Reservations was also an eye-opener. (Moldbug is a half-Jew). So anyway, these authors don’t fit the “Jews are in a conspiracy to undo gentiles with cultural marxism” narrative, (but I suppose it does fit the “Jews are constitutionally subversive” narrative).

Much as I hate doing it, I’m expecting it’s going to be necessary to compile a re-usable ‘great (hardcore rightist) things Jews have done’ list — which would, of course, be quite huge. The Judaeo-Communist / Neo-Nazi shouting match gets to dominate unopposed otherwise, and both sides of that spat want to valorize the same roster of Benn-type revulsionaries.

yes theres a surprising number of jewish nrx dissidents and theres israel . Any Idea what the math says about how many high IQ jews to “whites” There ought to be given population and curve? Because I think what both reasonable and WN feel is the crux is the over representation is beyond the expected. I get the tail changes and all and it may be that the math is simply misunderstood, and of course even if the math is much lower culture is going to play a big part if you can call culture non genetic. but i mean if Jews are 1% and whites 65% can one SD really equal an equal number of elites? The asians seem to be having a bigger impact than I would have thought probable given the smaller difference again it could be the neocons and conservative inc were more right about culture. but is it something going wrong with “white culture” I dont think Jews need to be thought any less “white” than say italians obviously if we care about HBD we can see on a splatter graph separation between welsh and scotts and certainly jews have contributed enough to western civilization but here is where i think my problem is, to whatever extent jews are not all in is the extent to which they should remain neutral culturally politically, in other words if youre not my brother you cant talk about my mother. So if some like myself are feeling western civ criticism by jews feels like its coming from without not within is this alien feeling because “whites” are not seeing jews as brotherscousins or because we are picking up on jews are not really all in. Personally I dont like “multiculturalism” because its a misnomer and I like human cultures so I kind of like that say irish and italians continue that identity in the US its not easy and perhaps a lost cause [making europe more important] but somehow -maybe because im a horrible secret racist jew hater but jewish maintenance of identity has an entirely different feel than other nationalities. Now in europe I guess this makes more sense but in the US this feels off. I dont think its the religious thing I cant put my finger on it but I honestly dont think its coming from my side. So for a long time I chalked it up to historical trauma and calculated some slack, but as i come to feel western civ and its people are in an existential crisis i lose patience with this. of course this has all happened simultaneously embracing HBD, so Im also out of patience with blacks and others. But to me they are actually other [although i would continue to forebear with american blacks if they would just behave] but with jews it feels like with elite whiteds and women a family betrayal and as you know with we irish there no sin greater than family betrayal. So sorry im rambling and BTW sorry if i pissed you off last month. So the reason im going on is maybe this could actually be figured out at least too the satisfaction of jews and non jews in the far right. For me DENRX has way too many unanswered questions Im a builder I need to get a few blocks in place.

First of all, IQ may not conform to a gaussian at the edges, as you mentioned. A better approximation is the Griffe function. But the Griffe function and the Gaussian are quite similar and yield similar results. Griffe fits a little better and has a better theoretical motivation, but basically, if we live in an IQ meritocracy and IQ, and the .73±.1 std deviation difference holds true, then jobs are distributed basically according to what the math predicts. Not only Jews and gentiles, but also blacks and hispanics are accurately fit by the curves.

Small differences in the mean make enormous differences at elite levels.

“Though the implications of a 0.73 standard deviation gap may go unnoticed by the man in the street, they are profoundly evident at the highest levels of achievement — the levels that leave a lasting imprint on civilization. Such a gap makes a random Ashkenazi Jew 40 times more likely to win a Fields Medal than a random non-Jewish white. In all, thirteen Fields Medals have gone to Ashkenazim as well as 37% of the Nobel Prizes in physics won by Americans.
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michael Reply:September 4th, 2015 at 3:50 pm

Griife does seem to account for it cleverly,not that my statistical abilities are able to keep up. But while reading One of the things that crossed my mind since it effected myself my family ius alcoholism which i know is a big problem in russia, I wondered what percent of russians got taken out by it. Beleive me not many alcoholics can accomplish much the outliers we notice but thats mythic most just destroy their minds and bodies. And it seems jews are among the races least hurt by alcoholism possibly because of their long exposure to it. It should be a small percent though, a larger concern I had was my experience in the rural north west which i then found to hold true through any rural area i investigated. Rural people dont go to college they dont read or play games like chess, if they go to college its usually for a specific goal unrelated to ruling the world like agriculture or some type of industrial engineering etc they have modest career goals. I first noticed when asking people what they did almost no one responded with what their jobs were but rather told me about their families and hobbies. While it was a bit frustrating not meeting people who read or were interested in the arts etc i soon realized if anything they were smarter than city people. Murrays work aside I think we are not sorting as many rural people as we think though they seem to have half the college rate as urbans i think its even worse looking at representation in the seats of power. again maybe this is not a big deal.
So you are convinced the disparate impact is mathematically justified, does that hold for all types of jobs or only things like professors because i have read the figures were more like 50% than 33% that may not have been accurate info.
The next question would be can you as a jew see how without malice non jews might think this was a problem that 1/2% of the population is able to steer the destiny of a people. And that direction is to the existential detriment of that founding stock being steered?Heres why I ask for years jewish smartness was just one of those things you notice as a city person, it may well have been the bell curve where im informed its on the order of 33-50% of the elite spots, now that was 20 years ago and like the other HBD info it must have given me pause but had no lasting effect until I really start thinking about demographics is destiny several years ago and find “the jewish question” is not some WW2 nazi relic serious people are actually discussing it. I like meritocracies I like jews I really dont like jews running the world or at least my country. I dont think thats hate I think its wanting self agency. several times I have objected to asians increasing influence at the top of the US ive been slammed for saying I would rather forgo the alleged advantage in return for a western civilization run for and by “europeans” but that my gut told me we would in fact not lose any advantage that despite a sleight IQ disadvantage I dont think europeans would be any less leaders in 100 years without asians [ except that we had the african/amerindian albatross around our necks] but if not for that we would rule the world indefinitely, I note israel and china are not all that. theres other things thatttt make europeans the evolutionary sweet spot. I guess im kidding myself because on some level I imagine the answer is Jews stop being Jews and become conservative Europeans, which is not only impossible but kind of destructive of jewishness something im opposed to for my own race, personally hell yeah whatever it takes is my ultimate attitude about survival of my people. ADMINS asia / machine fetish kind of disgusts me. Its kind of rare these days but I want the european race culture civilization restored preserved and to shake off this shit multiculturalism and begin to create new culture again. I cant even go to the theatre anymore its all fags and blacks and shit politics. I digress. so on bad days I think well I may not have the hate of the WN but it does seem they are right multiculturalism is not good for the european diaspora its probably not even good for the parasitical cultures that live among us the blacks and ameridians are at a permanent disadvantage and would be better off living the simpler lives they evolved for and jews and asians well maybe they ought to build their own americas. yeah not very free market but one of the things DENRX inadvertently made me reconsider is do i like markets for markets sake or because they serve my other needs so efficiently and if so when they interefere with my other needs oughtnt they be overridden, HBD has also made me question just how optimized for free markets humans are at this point in evolution, because markets do go awry. dont worry im no socialist not even a little just noting how reality keeps getting in the way of my hopes for market work.
So I guess im asking is this unreasonable for “whites” to be uncomfortable with and can you see a solution I dont.

Yes I’m willing to engage with this. I’m not going to hold back, though. I hope you don’t mind.

It’s perfectly reasonable to ask, “Well, what does the math say? Am I getting screwed?” That’s perfectly fair. And in my opinion the math does say that no, you’re not. Actually we live in a fairly meritocratic society. But I would have no problem at all if someone came and argued in good faith with different numbers and presented some evidence (besides inequality of outcome), to the effect that Jews are unfairly Jewing over other races.

Your next question relies on two premises that I don’t accept: (1)You are the founding stock, but Jews aren’t, and (2) This is your country, but it isn’t Jewish America’s country.

If these premises were true, then asking your question would be reasonable. If Jews were actually parasites that had just come and taken beautiful America from the pilgrims and used it for their own purposes, and you were actually descended from actual pilgrims (and not only notionally, e.g., through the magic of “Anglo-Saxonism”), then I suppose you could make a case. But in fact neither (1) nor (2) is true. Jews have been in America for a long time – hundreds of years – and have been instrumental in making America great in the first place. Thus, this is my country and my land as much as it anyone’s; I am not an interloper. I’m half Jewish; my Jewish lineage on this continent has been traced back to the mid 1800’s (The other half goes back to the 1600’s, but it’s irrelevant to this discussion). Mid 1800’s is far more time than plenty of Irish and Italian immigrants have been established in New York that I’m sure you would be happy to issue “Real American” cards to. So, I’m pretty much willing to go to the mat with you about this being “your” country (but not mine). “Founding stock”? Please. There is a statute of limitations on that shit. That kind of ethnic irredentism is caked in blood and the howling agony of millions dead. After a few hundred years of cohabitation it’s time to stop talking about founding stock. Unless of course you’re willing to step aside and let the native americans take their rightful place as the OG Americans.

To address (2): the WN narrative that you’re buying into, and implicitly asking me to take seriously as a prerequisite to having a conversation with you, is that Ashkenazi Jews are biologically destined for parasitism, or at least predisposed to it. This, I suppose, is because you appraise value according to pastoral virtues: How many head of cattle? How many acres of land did he cultivate? How many bridges did the Jew build? It’s stupid. You’re choosing a metric that is biased against Jews and asking why they don’t measure up.

For instance, did you miss the part where 37% of US science Nobels went to Jews? What is that, swiss cheese? How about getting the A bomb built before the goddamned Russkies made it to Japan? How about inventing damn near every branch of computer science (which field, by the way, is almost singlehandedly propping up this sorry sack of an economy)? How about Jews were instrumental to every industry that America has ever had, from the slave trade onwards? We’ve been instrumental in Making America Great the first time around, and at this point if you’re being honest with yourself you need to admit that Jews are equity partners in this venture, and furthermore, they’ve been stand-up partners the whole time. Not only are we partners, but American Jews are allies and compatriots by marriage, blood, shared history, shared interest, shared moral values, and shared culture. If you want to live in pure Aryan utopia, I’ve got a great idea – you can go fuck off and build it somewhere else. It’s never existed on this continent. You want to return to a storybook world that never existed.

michael Reply:September 5th, 2015 at 3:26 pm

Thanks Im fine with you letting me have it.First because I get this has to be fraught for even a “half Jewish” person , also because I think this whole “jewish problem” is more emotional than logical for everyone, which is not to say just irrelevant after all its certainly led to one attempted genocide and by some accounts a recurring theme in west civ.Also I’ve really not bought into WN at least I dont think so,so Im not too invested in defending it, what I think is I’m giving it or rather the less retarded things it asserts a hearing. Im doing it for a number of reasons. This new ideology DENRX seems to me to be founded on HBD [ thats another argument] and while the effects of the pressure from below gets a lot of attention the pressure from above not as much,considering the hierarchy worship in these parts it seems worth a gander. I may be as you say buying in and not really aware of it, and so when I saw quite a few people around here that are decidedly not WN seem also to be constantly bringing this up for serious review [unless i miss the troll] and yet many Jews seem to remain here despite this, it seemed worth getting to the bottom of. Thats probably because Im opposed to WN position of exiling the Jews. For many reasons, from all those nobel prizes, to curb your enthusiasm,and I just like you guys.. And I agree in america Jews are as American as anybody.My family has been here a bit longer than a lot of Irish but not colonial times. I do know the earliest jews were pretty anti semetic to the newer ones and I still see that among jewish friends, it actually seems to fall along left right lines.
I thought I was clear I agreed that for all intents and purposes Jews are one of us. Particularly in the US etc where “us” is pretty diverse.I could count on my fingers how many times Ive heard some [not a minority] say something even vaguely antisem in my 55 years.My sense is this apartness is coming from the jewish side, and that is one of the things that makes this disparate impact discomfiting.So without thinking too hard about it my first thinking about all this jew trolling was, no we ought to win them over. They are a great ally, I thought their anti white work was not so much offense as defense, a strategy to blend among many minorities.And if they understand its about to backfire and that their is no threat to worryabout, then they could flip to the dark side. and what a help they could be. Isnt that MMs idea flip the elites? And besides its absurd to pretend they are not integral to western civ despite half their DNA being non Euro, after all southern euros DNA is probably half non Euro, depending how one wants to define that. [we wont get into a thing about the Persians ancient Egyptians indians or whoever its close enough.] Honestly if a way were found to keep the descendants of slavery [black not irish] behaving I would not notionally object to them either, as you point out a long claim on american soil ought to count for something. Let me say I find all this talk including most of DENRX pretty far fetched anyway.
The native American example is specious, except to say sure technically if a jewish led swarm of mud people destroys western civ then i guess we didnt measure up evolutionary and gnon is just. lol
However unlike most arround here im not in favor of waiting for godot to bring the salvational collapse,dont think the cathedral will allow any collapse to get in the way itll be an opportunity to them, and yeah I think they can do that,at least longer than my people can remain a people. And yeah I have a big problem with letting that happen, acrually I dont think mankind can survive the demise of the european people,so pretty soon its time for ugly civil war at which point nuance gets lost. which is why i wish DENRX would fucking decide a couple things to work toward.Perhaps i am in the wrong camp, but Ive no where else civilized to go at this point in history so here I am. So to your answer to my second question , I agree jews have a considerable claim on western civilization and its nations.I would go so far as to say even within Europe itself. I think we would be foolish to change this.I sincerely mean this not as a gesture or in return frankly I wish you guys would just get over your fucking selves.
So Im not sure your answering what i was actually asking,let me try again. how is it if Jews are so indistinguishable from the rest of the European diaspora this conversation is even possible, why when nutjob WNs make crazy claims, such a tiny fraction of of this multi thousand year melting pot is able to summon such a throaty defense,how is it possible to measure so thoroughly the achievements or level accusations at what ought to be indistinguishable, are you really saying its all because antisem.That we keep you apart and identifiable. Im sorry I really dont think this is true. I think in a thousand little ways Jews signal apartness.and its this apartness that makes the disparate impact disturbing especially because part of the apartness is this groupthink that whats best for western civilization is to deny its europeanness or if you prefer its judeo christianness [which i think is a bit constricting] so it was nice of you to make nuclear bombs and all. Maybe I just dont buy MMs protestant thesis and god knows this catholic has no love of prots, sure hes got a point but lets say we apply your math and give Jews credit for 33% -50% of the leftism particularly the most recent and destructive leftism. and Im fine with identifying wasps as the balance lol.hows that.
This might be too fraught to think about clearly so for a moment imagine muslims somehow started having the influence in west civ that jews do. would you be comfortable with that? it wouldnt be because they were muslim per se but that despite their protests you really dont feel n your gut that they see themselves as part of west civ and even if hey do then that they dont understand west civ as you do to them its a contract they are negotiating where to you its a family. So I think your negating the founding stock argument also doesnt hold water. And its not irrational to consider “founding stock” if youre an ideology based on HBD. In short “whites” in the US 5 minutes are founding stock because they are genetically part of west civ. theres no reason jews cant be too but if jews are going to simultaneously look at west civ as a propositional contract to the extent that it serves them work against the more organic elements of these nations and maintain an aloofness then no in my opinion youre no better than mexicans maybe more dangerous and i am confident without any non euro help or hindrance my people will continue to administer the world. Look Im aware you can simply turn all this around and and say the apartness is in the non jews.Im sure even with me theres got to be some of that but is there a way to see its origin dispassionately.Now there are a lot of whites equally destructive and I am in favor of stringing them up from light poles, destroying their leftist genes and signaling that we are more than a libertarian proposition we are the homelands of the european and jewish if you wish peoples. Now while evenly applied would that be good for the jews?
In other words white nationalists have a point not about the hate but about the fact that its ridiculous to pretend the european nations not in europe are not also european homelands, and maybe that really is your position maybe youre serious the mexicans the native americans have a better claim then we do disagree. I realize admin doesnt even think humans have right to earth but if they must rule for now till AI then asians are the best bet, Im not down with that i dont see the justice and I dont see the evidence for any superior rule than euro.
But Ill go a step further I have secret doubts about elites generally,Ever notice that elites have been running every failed empire? Its like my problem with capitalism I love it except people keep acting irrationally in market places and fucking up the world. hierarchy which I also love seems to keep producing faggotry eventually in fact there seems an inverse relation ship between IQ and faggotry. Is it really democtacy and proles that have screwed up the west cause it seems to me like democracy is a farce and elites are destroying the west while proles protest, and they getaway with iot by claiming propositional ownership for non whites, The cathedral is tailor made for DENRX except proles occupy it but if you listen carefully to many around here you can see where they would not be that much different.
I realize Im off on a tangent here but theres a point i want you to understand its not for me anyway about the Jews per se but about also elitism, about this doublethink around here that HBD is foundational yet Euros are fungible. Now before you go just slamming what you might suppose is my philosophy as some sort of populist nationalist etc Im not to be clear if I could decide it would be capitalist and though predominantly euro but not exclusively it would be hierarchical. What Im saying ultimately is Im not sure we are biologically evolved for any form of advanced government or economy at this time but that the best chance to buy time is not to push too hard against the biological realities. sorry I dont write or think so well

frankly I wish you guys would just get over your fucking selves.
I feel the same way about Jews. I frankly hate talking about the JQ. To me, it’s a dead horse. But apparently it’s a serious option question in the broader reactosphere, so fine.

My belief is that American Jews should pick a side: assimilate into the broader white American gene pool by marrying a gentile and raising their kids Christian, or else move to Israel, marry a Jew, and going all-in on the Jew thing. Multiculturalism is not beneficial. As for me, I took the first option. My kids are coming up in strict Eastern Orthodox religion, with a laconic, scary bearded man for a priest. That is my final solution to the JQ. There is no advantage to Jewish identity (in America) for either Jews or gentiles. Just assimilate. The good Jewish brain genes will flow out into the population and hybridize with those amazing bodies of the northern europeans. We’ll short circuit the Bene-Gesserit breeding protocol, cross Harkonnen with Atreides, and create an entire race of superbeings. This is already happening in my opinion – 70% of non-orthodox Jewish Americans are out-marrying in America.

That we keep you apart and identifiable. Im sorry I really dont think this is true. I think in a thousand little ways Jews signal apartness.

I think you’re right. I’ve called it out myself, including to my sister. My Jewish friend called this the Woody Allen Complex. A simultaneous inferiority/superiority complex. The obnoxious Jews who do this do it because they want to be seen as special, and the cure, as you say, is for them to get over themselves. To me, it’s incredibly gauche when American Jews draw attention to their Jewishness and try to win some sort of victim points from it.

But the rhetoric you can find at MPC and Stormfront obviously puts me on high alert, as I hope you will appreciate. These people literally want to turn my children into soap. Little nuances like the fact that I’ve done more to protect the existence of the white race than most of them ever will are lost if this cold civil war ever goes hot. So, I told you my theory on how to eventually smooth over the JQ. Can you tell me how Jews like me, who are interested in survival, should deal with the Stormfront Question?

This might be too fraught to think about clearly so for a moment imagine muslims somehow started having the influence in west civ that jews do. would you be comfortable with that?

Nope. But Muslims aren’t American. As I said, you become American by living here for a few hundred years and contributing sweat equity to the prosperity of the nation. I’ve never held that claims about whose country this really is are all invalid. Only that there is a statue of limitations on such claims.

Most of all, you become American by demonstrating that your highest loyalty is to America. Muslims have not done this (quite the opposite) and we real Americans owe them nothing, not even a chance to prove themselves, if we don’t feel like giving it to them. I feel the same way about hispanics, legal or illegal: We owe them nothing, not even the chance to prove themselves. This is our country and we (you, me, and other “core Americans”) should be running it for our own benefit.

michael Reply:September 5th, 2015 at 11:20 pm

sadly we are in complete agreement, sadly because its a high price to pay for membership, higher than others must pay i think. and while I agree I too have come to the conclusion multiculturalism cant work in a nation.We are all losing our ethnic identities in america but as long as we have our other homes it a loss I can live with. Im actually trying to maintain my roots a bit longer but no ones trying to turn me into soap because we are drinking all the beer.with my oldest just out of rehab Im wondering if thats so smart though. In fairness Im sure their are more non jews keeping the apartness thing going than Im aware of New yorkers dont see this and idaho has no prejudice at all because they are 100% white. Yes I was kind of shocked to see this blog in particular keep bringing this up. While at the same time minimizing it. Im not even clear what others think besides the nazi lurkers it seemed like I was the only one thinking seriously about this which was not a role i relished.Its just i sometimes feel this is just drifting back into libertarianism. Another theme I harp on is where are we at on the patriarchy. Theres a good example of a group [women] that for all intents ought to be part of but somehow i dont get a warm feeling from. Frankly I think we need to rescind their vote, but i want to know how we keep them from getting turned into soap or chattel if they cant defend themselves. so I keep asking how would DENRX patriarchy differ from all other forms of patriarchy?
I think in practice we dont actually gain those Jewish IQ points, we all lose them and thats going to cost. Its a cost I think we could weather but not while under the white mans burden. This hispanic invasion here and the african one in europe has brought it all to a crisis I think its what actually resurrects the jewish question – ironic huh.?. Im generally pretty pessimistic about westciv . I think thers a scenario where Jews neednt extinguish their identities but its too complicated and far fetched it wont happen . And yes I do think Jews are out marrying as much as the rest and this will accelerate with the millenials. the orthodox are a world unto themselves. I wouldnt judge DENRX by me i dont fit in very well, while I think a lot of interesting things are talked about Im not seeing a working plan even an outline. My feeling is they are sacrificing the possible for the perfect and as I said Im not convince we have evolved to handle good gov. I kind of think just ratcheting things back 100 years might get us by until we can edit our genes. at any rate this monarchy thing is a non starter unless i get to be the king.I do think tech could replace much of government dispersing power thinly over to the private sector.But nothing matters if this camp of the saints cant be stopped. goodnight brother

Losing our identity is nothing in comparison to the cosmic horrors that Gnon has inflicted on our ancestors and will again inflict on our progeny (and here I am speaking for humanity generally, not just Jews). For those with a historically informed perspective, what I believe American Jews must finally give up in order to make an accord is a small price. In the final analysis, the religion of Judaism is nothing much. What matters are the people: their flesh and blood, the wisdom of their parents, the nobility of their spirits, and the cleverness of their children. Everything of importance is able to continue; only a label will be lost. Again I say, it is an affordable price. Hallelujah! Thank goodness that I can afford the price. I love my wife, and I will love the children we make. Our lives are blessed. Just as long as the brutal idiots of MPC don’t blunder into a coup of some kind. (Damn their eyes).

As far as your need for action: I suggest relaxing a bit. Articulating our own version of the truth is an action, and a very powerful one. Ideas got us into this mess, and they are what will get us out again.

So, don’t try to eat this cow in one bite. What we need are microreactions: small, practical steps that can be taken at the private level. Let each wife render respect unto her husband, let each husband be a loving and stern patriarch. stretch to squeeze out that third or fourth kid. Band together and form a home-schooling co-op. Fail to pay lip service to the ideals of the ruling class. These are the practical and important steps that we can take. Some sort of armed revolution is absurd at this point in time. If the military stages a coup, it has nothing to do with us here. We can neither delay nor hasten such a thing. (And by the way, even if some of us could or would do such a thing, we would not be discussing it on a public forum.)

Im not stupid if thats what youre implying my IQ is 130 but Im not university educated except for a couple months in fact my high school education total is about 18 months , so im in a blue collar field and dont write cant type and while i read a lot I havnt the time to actually learn all the feilds that interest me from scratch so yeah my knowledge is patchy. I bet theres a lot of things I cant do you cant. My point above is clear : does the 1 SD advantage of askenazi imply that 1/2-1% of the population would have approximately half the high IQ elite jobs.My gut tells me no there must be more to it, theres a debate going on that implies a jewish conspiracy and while many of us think that absurd it hangs on even in circles where we should know better, my betters around here play this push pull game with it where they bring it up in articles like this and worse then pull back. oddly its never methodically addressed i build things for a living and for fun you guys seem to want to build with clouds. Now MMs solution was to flip elites jews are elites and I think easy to flip if their fears were allayed. to do that others fears need to be allayed truth ought to be able to do that unless there a zionist conspiracy or most “whites” are secret anti semites. Im dubious of both positions. but Im also disturbed that 1/2% of the population with almost uniformly destructive beliefs hold half the positions of power. And see themselves as outsiders. so is this mathematically justified then its not a conspiracy its something else.if not there are other possibilities to be tested next theres an order. so since youre so smart vs inteligent lucian why dont you double check the math and with any luck DENRX can finally actually accomplish something besides preening.

Nobody thinks you’re stupid. However, in my view one of the virtues of NRx is that it generally possesses a better sense of humour and can handle the banter better than progressives (although, then again, that isn’t exactly hard to do). Intelligence is admirable, but even Socrates knew the importance of a sense of humour (although Plato perhaps did not).