No, what ruined the fate series are the fucking retards that refuse to do the simplest bit of research before starting a series.This also includes 80% of this board.Have you even fucking noticed how many faggots there are on this board nowadays that refuse to read VNs?Back in 2008 this board wasnt full of fucking casuals

I'll get my asshole torn apart but I watched Fate/stay night and then Fate/Zero on a whim and enjoyed it with both on their own. I don't have the time or interest to read the VN, but it is there, and if I get a free weekend I'll be sure to sink some hours into it to learn more about the story

all of this secondary nonsense is just wasted time and energy. if they have no interest in reading the novel, they won't suddenly come around

Secondaries are fucking retarded. They keep thinking Primaries are butthurt because they enjoy something we invested a lot of time in without investing said time.Its actually Primaries trying to get Secondaries to enjoy the full thing. Only to watch them jump infront of a fucking truck for no reason.If you watch the anime first you will never get the full enjoyment out of the VN.Youm won't even know how fucking gae bolg works without getting it explained to you.If you had read the VN first you could get twice the enjoyment. but you don't fucking care because you are a secondary.

>>119666330>This also includes 80% of this board.Have you even fucking noticed how many faggots there are on this board nowadays that refuse to read VNs?Not reading VNs with adaptations makes sense, though. I at least tend to prioritize VNs that haven't been adapted, unless I really liked the adaptation. An anyways, it is often said that adaptations are supposed to be extended ads for the original work more than anything else. In other words, they are made for secondaries, to lure them in, and complaining about secondaries watching them or showing interest in them is beyond retarded. Watching the anime then reading the original is a desired outcome, reading the original as a "research" before watching the anime is just silly.

>>119666448>Some people just want something to watch, anon. They aren't nerds without life who can bother to read a 30+ hour visual novel.Spending, say, an hour or even just half an hour every day reading a VN doesn't take a huge amount of time.

People like you are such faggots. When you call yourself something like a "primary" you are a retarded elitist.

The thing that amazes me though is how F/Z could become popular with such shitty "add more effects until it's good" animation and now FS/N is doing the same thing. The VN looked like shit so it's a step up from that but given the trillions of designs for fs/n you would think they would of went with one that didn't try to stay true to the original, which was dog shit.

Every single design in fs/n is terrible and looks like it was done by a teenager. It's clearly amateur work and I cannot understand, from an art standpoint why people like it.

>>119667172Yes, shitty VN adaptions are made as advertisement to get more people to buy merchandise and the VN. they are still fucking shit and not worth watching, so you are still better of just reading the VN.Its not like its hard to find out if a adaption sucks.

I mainly try to explain things on Youtube comments, but the secondaries will never understand. And ufotable doing once again like DEEN a bad Shirou characterization doesn't help.

I feel bad for Nasu, TM and we primaries. I mean, we know stay night is good, and knowing that other people will forever shit on something I like like comparing it to something inferior to my eyes, well... it's kind of sad.

>>119667383The character designs were definitely better in F/Z however F/SN was the first of its kind and coming from what they had, it was quite a lot considering it is still popular even today. Even after they said in 2005 "We're done with this story".

>>119667516I just want secondaries to know that things aren't like that, I want them to enjoy the same thing I enjoyed so much. But ufotable now made it impossible, making look Shirou like an idiot in the last episode and not putting enough focus on the important parts, like at the end of the date or explaining its purpose.

I believe A-1 Pictures would do a better job with Fate just by looking at their Grand Order PV.

>>119667635>I believe A-1 Pictures would do a better job with Fate just by looking at their Grand Order PV.Fucking shitposters man, I know you like baiting people and have nothing better else to do but damn.

>>119667541I am not too critical of the original work, because given the circumstances it's understandable it's not super high production value. What blows my mind is trying to stay true to the part of the production that suffered originally instead of actually improving it like they could. Every fate thing that doesn't have to stay true to the original designs has better designs, like Extra.

>>119667957Ufotable knows the important of making stuff which is satisfying to the core audience first and foremost. The story and characters must be slavishly faithful to the source material - including the worst things about it.

>>119668324>As long as manhwa threads are not deleted I can post whatever the fuck I want hereIt's not a matter of "you shouldn't talk about the VN", but rather "you shouldn't expect people to want to read/play VNs".

>>119668382>Except these mythological figures are barely characters and don't have 1% of the presence of their original.These mythological figures were mostly main characters of their original myths. Hardly comparable when they're being used as side characters in a battle royale.

>You have fucking Arthur, the only servant with actual screen-time, being made into a retarded little girl who act like a boar and has none of the charisma of the originalThere was likely a King Arthur during that time period, but the myths are nowhere near consistent. You can't fault a writer for having creative liberty with a fictional person. Hell, this shit is even directly brought up in FZ when Waver points out that Rider looks nothing like the books say of Alexander the Great.

Books are like a massive game of telephone. When you have stories from thousands of years ago, it needs other sources to corroborate it. Otherwise you can pretty much assume that it has been altered enough times to be fictional.

I agree, LNs are the worst part of the industry by a huge margin. You wanna spend your time reading text without voices or sound? read a real fucking book and not a LN that has 95% chance of having shitty writing and being haremshit.

>>119668779>You can't fault a writer for having creative liberty with a fictional personI can when the writer takes a character like Arthur and make him even more stupid that a 18 years old kid.Saber can't into tactics to save her life, the fact that Shirou aka the guy who will literally throw himself in front of a bullet is more level-headed is pretty fucking retarded.

>>119669055Six decades after World War II and the downfall of the Third Reich, the mystery of those resurrected phantoms summoned by those missing Nazis is still unknown. In modern Japan, the protagonist fought with his betrayed friend and become hospitalized in a psychiatry hospital; he usually dreamed nightmares of those resurrected 13 Holy Lancers and their connections to the Nazi. The protagonist also dreamed of the guillotine set by 13 Holy Lancers, which is used to execute considerable victims under their horrible and irresistible forces. The protagonist thought he has no choice but to fight back against those 13 Holy Lancers, and a horrible epic has begun...

>>119667172>Not reading VNs with adaptations makes sense, though>adaptations are supposed to be extended ads for the original workWhat the fuck. Watching the ad instead of the thing it's advertising makes sense how? Instead of the original, you prefer a diluted copy, filtered through a bunch of people who had nothing to do with the original?

>>119668769I agree with the VA part. It's like listening to a radio drama so it's easier to follow.But the visual part they are actually the same. LNs focus on killing people's imagination so there are always many pictures and charts. They are becoming a plain version of manga.

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