What do Avs do when Foote, Cumiskey, Wilson come back?

It was just one game. One of the rookies I’m about to lobby for to stay with the Avs, Colby Cohen, took two minor penalties in the game.

But anybody who watched Saturday’s 5-0 Avs win over Dallas had to be struck by how much fresher the team’s defense looked with Cohen and fellow rookie Kevin Shattenkirk in the lineup. With the addition of just two guys, the Avs’ defense went from the stale, predictable unit to one that had youthful enthusiasm and, most of all, flashes of some great talent that, with more experience, should continue to grow.

Therefore, in my humble opinion, I say the Avs should find a way to keep Shattenkirk and Cohen with the big club the rest of the year. Problem is, management has three veteran D-men on the shelf with injuries that, when they come back, will present the problem of too many cooks in the kitchen.

But I say they should stay, and the Avs find other places for at least one or two of the veterans to play, because of the following reason: Shatty and Cohen both really opened up the ice for their teammates. The Avs were back to being that fast, dangerous team again for one game with some defensemen who were able to get the forwards the puck with good, crisp and creative passes out of the zone.

And I’m not talking about just skating out of the zone, like Cumiskey can do. I’m talking about passing it out, to forwards who are already halfway down the ice, who with their speed can outnumber the opposition in a hurry once they get the puck.

Cumiskey skating with the puck out of the zone is great, but he’s shown numerous times that he doesn’t quite know what to do with the puck once he gets it over the blue line, and that creates confusion for the forwards as to where to go and who might get the pass, which often leads to either a turnover in the neutral zone or an offsides.

Wilson plays a pretty responsible game, with grit, but has no imagination with the puck and doesn’t skate well with it. Foote is smart and reliable in the positioning sense, and he’s not going to be traded, but we all know what his limitations are even when healthy.

Now look, I know that Shatty and Cohen are going to have some rough nights in their pro careers and probably sooner rather than later. So the temptation will be to say “Just send them back to Lake Erie and let them grow more there.”

But sorry, I say they stay here and learn. Because the worst thing the Avs could do is go back to the stale, old defensive lineup when the others get healthy again. If that means trading a Cumiskey or a Wilson or both, so be it. Both are capable of being good players, but it’s time to move on and try new things with the D.

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I agree. In fact, I was shocked that neither Shattenkirk nor Cohen opened the season with the Avs, not after what I saw from them in camp.

I get that it’s tough to give up on a guy like Cumiskey, who has speed, but you can’t have a defenseman who is a defensive liability like Cumiskey is. If you can’t find a buyer for him, send him back to Lake Erie.

As for Wilson, yes, he’s responsible, but I don’t see him being a game changer much. Shattenkirk and Cohen both have the potential the change the course of games, especially in big moments, and the Avs have lacked that on the blue line for too long.

Jay

Cumiskey needs moved now to get the best return (especially if a team does a panic trade). The prospects coming up will be making many fans say “Cumiskey who?”

http://twitter.com/blueeyedgrl4 Megan Stecklein

I agree. In fact, I was shocked that neither Shattenkirk nor Cohen opened the season with the Avs, not after what I saw from them in camp.

I get that it’s tough to give up on a guy like Cumiskey, who has speed, but you can’t have a defenseman who is a defensive liability like Cumiskey is. If you can’t find a buyer for him, send him back to Lake Erie.

As for Wilson, yes, he’s responsible, but I don’t see him being a game changer much. Shattenkirk and Cohen both have the potential the change the course of games, especially in big moments, and the Avs have lacked that on the blue line for too long.

http://twitter.com/blueeyedgrl4 Megan Stecklein

I agree. In fact, I was shocked that neither Shattenkirk nor Cohen opened the season with the Avs, not after what I saw from them in camp.

I get that it’s tough to give up on a guy like Cumiskey, who has speed, but you can’t have a defenseman who is a defensive liability like Cumiskey is. If you can’t find a buyer for him, send him back to Lake Erie.

As for Wilson, yes, he’s responsible, but I don’t see him being a game changer much. Shattenkirk and Cohen both have the potential the change the course of games, especially in big moments, and the Avs have lacked that on the blue line for too long.

Jay

Cumiskey needs moved now to get the best return (especially if a team does a panic trade). The prospects coming up will be making many fans say “Cumiskey who?”

Jay

Cumiskey needs moved now to get the best return (especially if a team does a panic trade). The prospects coming up will be making many fans say “Cumiskey who?”

Jay

Cumiskey needs moved now to get the best return (especially if a team does a panic trade). The prospects coming up will be making many fans say “Cumiskey who?”

http://twitter.com/blueeyedgrl4 Megan Stecklein

I agree. In fact, I was shocked that neither Shattenkirk nor Cohen opened the season with the Avs, not after what I saw from them in camp.

I get that it’s tough to give up on a guy like Cumiskey, who has speed, but you can’t have a defenseman who is a defensive liability like Cumiskey is. If you can’t find a buyer for him, send him back to Lake Erie.

As for Wilson, yes, he’s responsible, but I don’t see him being a game changer much. Shattenkirk and Cohen both have the potential the change the course of games, especially in big moments, and the Avs have lacked that on the blue line for too long.

Anonymous

In my opinion, the 2 worst performers on D have been Cumiskey, and Quincey. Wilson has that ability to deliver those huge open ice hits, but I don’t think he uses it nearly enough. Shatty and Cohen both look solid so far. I say give them more of a chance!!

Anonymous

Am I the only one who notices how often Quincey falls down or trips himself up while skating by the way? It’s like a baby deer trying to walk for the first time.

Anonymous

In my opinion, the 2 worst performers on D have been Cumiskey, and Quincey. Wilson has that ability to deliver those huge open ice hits, but I don’t think he uses it nearly enough. Shatty and Cohen both look solid so far. I say give them more of a chance!!

Anonymous

In my opinion, the 2 worst performers on D have been Cumiskey, and Quincey. Wilson has that ability to deliver those huge open ice hits, but I don’t think he uses it nearly enough. Shatty and Cohen both look solid so far. I say give them more of a chance!!

Anonymous

Am I the only one who notices how often Quincey falls down or trips himself up while skating by the way? It’s like a baby deer trying to walk for the first time.

Anonymous

Am I the only one who notices how often Quincey falls down or trips himself up while skating by the way? It’s like a baby deer trying to walk for the first time.

Anonymous

Am I the only one who notices how often Quincey falls down or trips himself up while skating by the way? It’s like a baby deer trying to walk for the first time.

Anonymous

In my opinion, the 2 worst performers on D have been Cumiskey, and Quincey. Wilson has that ability to deliver those huge open ice hits, but I don’t think he uses it nearly enough. Shatty and Cohen both look solid so far. I say give them more of a chance!!

avalanchejeff

I would like to trade Cumisky and Quincy. Quincy has been a disappointment. He is not strong on the skates, and he has never been consistent. Whenever he shoots he always hits the opposing forwards in the legs. If Hockey had “own goals” he would be in the league leaders. Wilson is predictable but he is our best open ice hitter. He seems to be the only one of two players on the Avs team that creates intimidation for opposing players. I think every team needs a BMF on the blue line, and Wilson is the only one that fits that bill. Foote will maul you, but he isnt going to lay you out if your head is down.

I would like to trade Cumisky and Quincy. Quincy has been a disappointment. He is not strong on the skates, and he has never been consistent. Whenever he shoots he always hits the opposing forwards in the legs. If Hockey had “own goals” he would be in the league leaders. Wilson is predictable but he is our best open ice hitter. He seems to be the only one of two players on the Avs team that creates intimidation for opposing players. I think every team needs a BMF on the blue line, and Wilson is the only one that fits that bill. Foote will maul you, but he isnt going to lay you out if your head is down.

I would like to trade Cumisky and Quincy. Quincy has been a disappointment. He is not strong on the skates, and he has never been consistent. Whenever he shoots he always hits the opposing forwards in the legs. If Hockey had “own goals” he would be in the league leaders. Wilson is predictable but he is our best open ice hitter. He seems to be the only one of two players on the Avs team that creates intimidation for opposing players. I think every team needs a BMF on the blue line, and Wilson is the only one that fits that bill. Foote will maul you, but he isnt going to lay you out if your head is down.

avalanchejeff

I would like to trade Cumisky and Quincy. Quincy has been a disappointment. He is not strong on the skates, and he has never been consistent. Whenever he shoots he always hits the opposing forwards in the legs. If Hockey had “own goals” he would be in the league leaders. Wilson is predictable but he is our best open ice hitter. He seems to be the only one of two players on the Avs team that creates intimidation for opposing players. I think every team needs a BMF on the blue line, and Wilson is the only one that fits that bill. Foote will maul you, but he isnt going to lay you out if your head is down.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=516568893 Fletcher Davis

Maybe we should just dress 9 defensemen? ;)

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=516568893 Fletcher Davis

Maybe we should just dress 9 defensemen? ;)

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=516568893 Fletcher Davis

Maybe we should just dress 9 defensemen? ;)

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=516568893 Fletcher Davis

Maybe we should just dress 9 defensemen? ;)

Clyde

As has been stated before , Cumisky should never be on the ice the same night Liles suits up , just too smallish of a D line up . Cumisky just turns over the puck too much and I agree does not know what to do beyond the blue line . I really agree with everything AD and everyone has posted here .

Clyde

As has been stated before , Cumisky should never be on the ice the same night Liles suits up , just too smallish of a D line up . Cumisky just turns over the puck too much and I agree does not know what to do beyond the blue line . I really agree with everything AD and everyone has posted here .

Clyde

As has been stated before , Cumisky should never be on the ice the same night Liles suits up , just too smallish of a D line up . Cumisky just turns over the puck too much and I agree does not know what to do beyond the blue line . I really agree with everything AD and everyone has posted here .

Clyde

As has been stated before , Cumisky should never be on the ice the same night Liles suits up , just too smallish of a D line up . Cumisky just turns over the puck too much and I agree does not know what to do beyond the blue line . I really agree with everything AD and everyone has posted here .

Jay

yes a trade is needed and at least 2 defensemen need moved. Wilson, with his concussion history, probably is better as a 7th D for injuries or against slower more physical teams. The best bet would be to offer up Cumiskey & Quincey in a package to someone like Columbus or Boston needing inexpensive (somewhat) offensive Ds. Both teams have decent forward depth so someone like Umberger would be just what the Avs need at LW (whether it be on Matt or Ryan’s line). The Avs would have to take salary back in any real trade (cap floor for Avs) and a guy like Umberger offers insurance at forward.

Info

Agree completely with you and AvalancheJeff. Dump Quincy and Cumisky, both have been terrible this year.

Matt

Nobody wants Cuminsky or Quincy. They both suck. Face up to facts.

Jay

there are a lot of teams out there looking for inexpensive “offensive” Ds. Neither Kyles are top notch offensive Ds but they do have some upside. Even Tyler Myers is struggling this year and team’s would still trade a ton for him so even struggling players can net something in return.

Do some research before posting?!? Why don’t you read a post before responding? I made reference to teams needing offensive Ds and made reference to the two Kyles… not Hannan or Foote. Quality offensive Ds are extremely hard to come buy but solid 2nd or 3rd pairing Ds who are young and have some upside are of interest to teams. Even with Quincey’s new contract, he would be snatched up in no time on waivers. I mentioned in an early posting that packaging the two Kyles (and taking some salary back) would net a solid return.

Joachim19

I definitell agree with Dater and mostly with you, Jay! Cumiskey is horrible and as long as we find any team that doesn’t think so, let’s dump him. If need be for a bag of peanuts! I do like Quincey and think he has been getting better in the last few games. If Umberger for the 2 Kyles were a possible trade, though, I’d take it in a heartbeat, even though I like our forwards as tehy are. Because any time you can get better, it would be a waste not to do it. (Except of course, if you are the Rangers or Maple Leafs GM who seem to think otherwise!)

Jay

yes a trade is needed and at least 2 defensemen need moved. Wilson, with his concussion history, probably is better as a 7th D for injuries or against slower more physical teams. The best bet would be to offer up Cumiskey & Quincey in a package to someone like Columbus or Boston needing inexpensive (somewhat) offensive Ds. Both teams have decent forward depth so someone like Umberger would be just what the Avs need at LW (whether it be on Matt or Ryan’s line). The Avs would have to take salary back in any real trade (cap floor for Avs) and a guy like Umberger offers insurance at forward.

Info

Agree completely with you and AvalancheJeff. Dump Quincy and Cumisky, both have been terrible this year.

Info

Agree completely with you and AvalancheJeff. Dump Quincy and Cumisky, both have been terrible this year.

Info

Agree completely with you and AvalancheJeff. Dump Quincy and Cumisky, both have been terrible this year.

Matt

Nobody wants Cuminsky or Quincy. They both suck. Face up to facts.

Jay

there are a lot of teams out there looking for inexpensive “offensive” Ds. Neither Kyles are top notch offensive Ds but they do have some upside. Even Tyler Myers is struggling this year and team’s would still trade a ton for him so even struggling players can net something in return.

Do some research before posting?!? Why don’t you read a post before responding? I made reference to teams needing offensive Ds and made reference to the two Kyles… not Hannan or Foote. Quality offensive Ds are extremely hard to come buy but solid 2nd or 3rd pairing Ds who are young and have some upside are of interest to teams. Even with Quincey’s new contract, he would be snatched up in no time on waivers. I mentioned in an early posting that packaging the two Kyles (and taking some salary back) would net a solid return.

Jay

Do some research before posting?!? Why don’t you read a post before responding? I made reference to teams needing offensive Ds and made reference to the two Kyles… not Hannan or Foote. Quality offensive Ds are extremely hard to come buy but solid 2nd or 3rd pairing Ds who are young and have some upside are of interest to teams. Even with Quincey’s new contract, he would be snatched up in no time on waivers. I mentioned in an early posting that packaging the two Kyles (and taking some salary back) would net a solid return.

Jay

Do some research before posting?!? Why don’t you read a post before responding? I made reference to teams needing offensive Ds and made reference to the two Kyles… not Hannan or Foote. Quality offensive Ds are extremely hard to come buy but solid 2nd or 3rd pairing Ds who are young and have some upside are of interest to teams. Even with Quincey’s new contract, he would be snatched up in no time on waivers. I mentioned in an early posting that packaging the two Kyles (and taking some salary back) would net a solid return.

Jay

Do some research before posting?!? Why don’t you read a post before responding? I made reference to teams needing offensive Ds and made reference to the two Kyles… not Hannan or Foote. Quality offensive Ds are extremely hard to come buy but solid 2nd or 3rd pairing Ds who are young and have some upside are of interest to teams. Even with Quincey’s new contract, he would be snatched up in no time on waivers. I mentioned in an early posting that packaging the two Kyles (and taking some salary back) would net a solid return.

Jay

Do some research before posting?!? Why don’t you read a post before responding? I made reference to teams needing offensive Ds and made reference to the two Kyles… not Hannan or Foote. Quality offensive Ds are extremely hard to come buy but solid 2nd or 3rd pairing Ds who are young and have some upside are of interest to teams. Even with Quincey’s new contract, he would be snatched up in no time on waivers. I mentioned in an early posting that packaging the two Kyles (and taking some salary back) would net a solid return.

there are a lot of teams out there looking for inexpensive “offensive” Ds. Neither Kyles are top notch offensive Ds but they do have some upside. Even Tyler Myers is struggling this year and team’s would still trade a ton for him so even struggling players can net something in return.

Jay

there are a lot of teams out there looking for inexpensive “offensive” Ds. Neither Kyles are top notch offensive Ds but they do have some upside. Even Tyler Myers is struggling this year and team’s would still trade a ton for him so even struggling players can net something in return.

Matt

Nobody wants Cuminsky or Quincy. They both suck. Face up to facts.

Matt

Nobody wants Cuminsky or Quincy. They both suck. Face up to facts.

Joachim19

I definitell agree with Dater and mostly with you, Jay! Cumiskey is horrible and as long as we find any team that doesn’t think so, let’s dump him. If need be for a bag of peanuts! I do like Quincey and think he has been getting better in the last few games. If Umberger for the 2 Kyles were a possible trade, though, I’d take it in a heartbeat, even though I like our forwards as tehy are. Because any time you can get better, it would be a waste not to do it. (Except of course, if you are the Rangers or Maple Leafs GM who seem to think otherwise!)

Joachim19

I definitell agree with Dater and mostly with you, Jay! Cumiskey is horrible and as long as we find any team that doesn’t think so, let’s dump him. If need be for a bag of peanuts! I do like Quincey and think he has been getting better in the last few games. If Umberger for the 2 Kyles were a possible trade, though, I’d take it in a heartbeat, even though I like our forwards as tehy are. Because any time you can get better, it would be a waste not to do it. (Except of course, if you are the Rangers or Maple Leafs GM who seem to think otherwise!)

Joachim19

I definitell agree with Dater and mostly with you, Jay! Cumiskey is horrible and as long as we find any team that doesn’t think so, let’s dump him. If need be for a bag of peanuts! I do like Quincey and think he has been getting better in the last few games. If Umberger for the 2 Kyles were a possible trade, though, I’d take it in a heartbeat, even though I like our forwards as tehy are. Because any time you can get better, it would be a waste not to do it. (Except of course, if you are the Rangers or Maple Leafs GM who seem to think otherwise!)

Joachim19

I definitell agree with Dater and mostly with you, Jay! Cumiskey is horrible and as long as we find any team that doesn’t think so, let’s dump him. If need be for a bag of peanuts! I do like Quincey and think he has been getting better in the last few games. If Umberger for the 2 Kyles were a possible trade, though, I’d take it in a heartbeat, even though I like our forwards as tehy are. Because any time you can get better, it would be a waste not to do it. (Except of course, if you are the Rangers or Maple Leafs GM who seem to think otherwise!)

Joachim19

I definitell agree with Dater and mostly with you, Jay! Cumiskey is horrible and as long as we find any team that doesn’t think so, let’s dump him. If need be for a bag of peanuts! I do like Quincey and think he has been getting better in the last few games. If Umberger for the 2 Kyles were a possible trade, though, I’d take it in a heartbeat, even though I like our forwards as tehy are. Because any time you can get better, it would be a waste not to do it. (Except of course, if you are the Rangers or Maple Leafs GM who seem to think otherwise!)

Jay

yes a trade is needed and at least 2 defensemen need moved. Wilson, with his concussion history, probably is better as a 7th D for injuries or against slower more physical teams. The best bet would be to offer up Cumiskey & Quincey in a package to someone like Columbus or Boston needing inexpensive (somewhat) offensive Ds. Both teams have decent forward depth so someone like Umberger would be just what the Avs need at LW (whether it be on Matt or Ryan’s line). The Avs would have to take salary back in any real trade (cap floor for Avs) and a guy like Umberger offers insurance at forward.

Jay

yes a trade is needed and at least 2 defensemen need moved. Wilson, with his concussion history, probably is better as a 7th D for injuries or against slower more physical teams. The best bet would be to offer up Cumiskey & Quincey in a package to someone like Columbus or Boston needing inexpensive (somewhat) offensive Ds. Both teams have decent forward depth so someone like Umberger would be just what the Avs need at LW (whether it be on Matt or Ryan’s line). The Avs would have to take salary back in any real trade (cap floor for Avs) and a guy like Umberger offers insurance at forward.

Matt

Nobody wants the Avs garbage (i.e. Foote, Wilson, Hannan, etc.) There will be no trades.

The Avs are stuck with these guys. Cohen, Shattenkirk, etc. will be sent back down. Remember, this is a 5-7 year rebuild at the minimum.

Clyde

5-7 years rebuild for what ?? We are competitive right now and play exciting hockey with the right mix in the lineup . 5-7 to win a cup , is that what you are saying Matt ???

Jay

he’s referring to the normal 5-7 years teams take once they start a rebuild… or so I believe. The Avs are well ahead of that curve and will be a very very dangerous Cup contender within the next 3 years… unless there are some huge mistakes made along the way. This is a team that has players like Hishon, Elliot, Barrie, Pickard, Bournival, etc who aren’t even 20 yet that have serious NHL potential.

Jay

At worst, guys like Liffiton, Wilson get sent to LE and Cumiskey is lost to waivers before the Avs send down players that help the team. And the Avs are not in a 5-7 year rebuild. Most teams go through a 5-7 year rebuild due to inconsistent drafting and development. The Avs have sped the rebuild up by 2-3 years because of good drafting and developing.

Mikewofsey

I could care less how long the rebuild takes, or when it started, or if it even started back before Sakic left, or how much longer it’s going to take or whether we’re Cup-worthy this year or next or in five years.

All I care is that these Avs are the most exciting team in hockey, and I say that not just because I’m a homer, but because they’re wild and fast and they apparently love hockey more than they love being professional athletes.

They have an uncontrollable, irrational streak that is going to win them a Cup at some point within the next few years. And after that they’re going to become a boring powerhouse like all the rest.

So I’m not in any hurry for that to happen, I like my Avs as the unpredictable hot mess they are … dropping easy games trouncing for no apparent reason, and doing that howling they they were doing last season and seem to have started again.

These guys are a legend in the making and I’m loving every second of it.

Anonymous

There’s no such thing as a 7 year rebuild…Pittsburgh Penguins finished the 05-06 season with 58 points, they won the Cup 3 years later. The Blackhawks finished the 05-06 season with 65 points, they won the Cup 4 years later. And the Avalanche was never as far gone as those teams were to begin with. I’d say within 2-3 years the Avalanche will CONTEND, not continue to rebuild.

Matt

If the Avs tank the next 2-3 seasons and draft in the top 3 like Pittsburgh did 3 years running, then yes, it’s a 2-3 year rebuild. But the Avs won’t have that happen, and their recent draft picks are not all going to pan out. Expect this to take 5-7 years, ala Washington, Chicago, etc.

If you can’t see that rebuilds don’t happen overnight, then you’re dense.

Umm, fish?

Matt, I understand that you take a lot of flack around here for your consistently pessimistic tone, but I would personally appreciate it if you didn’t end every comment with an insult. In fact, if you would stop that sort of thing then people might be more willing to give your comments some consideration.

If you feel that you are persecuted here then maybe you’ll be happier if you don’t post as much. Just a suggestion.

Jay

Matt,
You sir need to wake up and read a lot of these posts a little more. You go on and on about these players suck or the team won’t do anything for years and need to tank. You really have no idea how to build a championship team. For every Pittsburgh/Washingtonyou have tons of teams like Atlanta/Columbus/Minnesota/etc that make it work. To be successful in this league over the long run, you need to draft and develop the best players you can. Chicago did just that (Keith wasn’t even a first rounder) and have excellent depth to be competitive. Pittsburgh got lucky with tons of high draft picks in Crosby, Malkin, Fleury, etc but didn’t do so well later on drafting and developing so now they are struggling to find the players they need to compliment their superstars. I could go on and on but a team never wants to tank on purpose for 2-3 years and lose attendance/fans in the process.

Red Wings Suck

Oh right, rebuilds don’t happen overnight. Kinda like how we missed the playoffs 2 seasons ago and managed to get into the first round last year? Not bad from one season to the next. Why don’t you go troll elsewhere Matt, or find something productive to do with your life.

toddb3

So…one playoff appearance where they barely even got in and the rebuild is complete? I’m glad you’re not the GM.

Anonymous

I guess I’m just dense :) hahaha.

Anonymous

I believe the point I was trying to make is that due to the salary cap, and current parity in the league, a 7 year rebuild implies a certain amount of ineptitude by the front office, and failure of the young core players to improve at all. There are 3 groups of teams, teams that are contenders: Detroit, Vancouver, Chicago, Washington, Pittsburgh. Teams that are on the rise to becoming contenders: Colorado, St. Louis, Tampa Bay etc. Lastly there are teams that are just lost in the sauce: Florida, NYI, Columbus etc.

toddb3

Keep in mind that the Pens landed Crosby and Malkin, the ‘Hawks got Kane and Toews. As we’ve seen since the Avs came to Denver, that 1-2 punch goes a long ways towards winning Cups. I’m not convinced that the Avs even have the “1” part of a 1-2 punch yet.

Joachim19

Pittsburgh, the luckiest team in NHL history by sucking exactly when Lemieux and Crosby + Jagr and Malkin were up for grabs, won the Crosby sweepstakes! They do not count! As much as I dislike Crosby, just drafting him has sped up the rebuilding of the Penguins by several years!

EnzoSin

I agree with you, but they are going to have to start spending money at some point along those 2-3 years in order to contend though.

Avalanches_14

5-7 years rebuild!! you smoke some very good stuff!! This team is very close for cup contender!

Matt

Nobody wants the Avs garbage (i.e. Foote, Wilson, Hannan, etc.) There will be no trades.

The Avs are stuck with these guys. Cohen, Shattenkirk, etc. will be sent back down. Remember, this is a 5-7 year rebuild at the minimum.

Clyde

5-7 years rebuild for what ?? We are competitive right now and play exciting hockey with the right mix in the lineup . 5-7 to win a cup , is that what you are saying Matt ???

Jay

he’s referring to the normal 5-7 years teams take once they start a rebuild… or so I believe. The Avs are well ahead of that curve and will be a very very dangerous Cup contender within the next 3 years… unless there are some huge mistakes made along the way. This is a team that has players like Hishon, Elliot, Barrie, Pickard, Bournival, etc who aren’t even 20 yet that have serious NHL potential.

Jay

he’s referring to the normal 5-7 years teams take once they start a rebuild… or so I believe. The Avs are well ahead of that curve and will be a very very dangerous Cup contender within the next 3 years… unless there are some huge mistakes made along the way. This is a team that has players like Hishon, Elliot, Barrie, Pickard, Bournival, etc who aren’t even 20 yet that have serious NHL potential.

Jay

he’s referring to the normal 5-7 years teams take once they start a rebuild… or so I believe. The Avs are well ahead of that curve and will be a very very dangerous Cup contender within the next 3 years… unless there are some huge mistakes made along the way. This is a team that has players like Hishon, Elliot, Barrie, Pickard, Bournival, etc who aren’t even 20 yet that have serious NHL potential.

Jay

he’s referring to the normal 5-7 years teams take once they start a rebuild… or so I believe. The Avs are well ahead of that curve and will be a very very dangerous Cup contender within the next 3 years… unless there are some huge mistakes made along the way. This is a team that has players like Hishon, Elliot, Barrie, Pickard, Bournival, etc who aren’t even 20 yet that have serious NHL potential.

Clyde

5-7 years rebuild for what ?? We are competitive right now and play exciting hockey with the right mix in the lineup . 5-7 to win a cup , is that what you are saying Matt ???

Clyde

5-7 years rebuild for what ?? We are competitive right now and play exciting hockey with the right mix in the lineup . 5-7 to win a cup , is that what you are saying Matt ???

Jay

At worst, guys like Liffiton, Wilson get sent to LE and Cumiskey is lost to waivers before the Avs send down players that help the team. And the Avs are not in a 5-7 year rebuild. Most teams go through a 5-7 year rebuild due to inconsistent drafting and development. The Avs have sped the rebuild up by 2-3 years because of good drafting and developing.

Jay

At worst, guys like Liffiton, Wilson get sent to LE and Cumiskey is lost to waivers before the Avs send down players that help the team. And the Avs are not in a 5-7 year rebuild. Most teams go through a 5-7 year rebuild due to inconsistent drafting and development. The Avs have sped the rebuild up by 2-3 years because of good drafting and developing.

Mikewofsey

I could care less how long the rebuild takes, or when it started, or if it even started back before Sakic left, or how much longer it’s going to take or whether we’re Cup-worthy this year or next or in five years.

All I care is that these Avs are the most exciting team in hockey, and I say that not just because I’m a homer, but because they’re wild and fast and they apparently love hockey more than they love being professional athletes.

They have an uncontrollable, irrational streak that is going to win them a Cup at some point within the next few years. And after that they’re going to become a boring powerhouse like all the rest.

So I’m not in any hurry for that to happen, I like my Avs as the unpredictable hot mess they are … dropping easy games trouncing for no apparent reason, and doing that howling they they were doing last season and seem to have started again.

These guys are a legend in the making and I’m loving every second of it.

Mikewofsey

I could care less how long the rebuild takes, or when it started, or if it even started back before Sakic left, or how much longer it’s going to take or whether we’re Cup-worthy this year or next or in five years.

All I care is that these Avs are the most exciting team in hockey, and I say that not just because I’m a homer, but because they’re wild and fast and they apparently love hockey more than they love being professional athletes.

They have an uncontrollable, irrational streak that is going to win them a Cup at some point within the next few years. And after that they’re going to become a boring powerhouse like all the rest.

So I’m not in any hurry for that to happen, I like my Avs as the unpredictable hot mess they are … dropping easy games trouncing for no apparent reason, and doing that howling they they were doing last season and seem to have started again.

These guys are a legend in the making and I’m loving every second of it.

Mikewofsey

I could care less how long the rebuild takes, or when it started, or if it even started back before Sakic left, or how much longer it’s going to take or whether we’re Cup-worthy this year or next or in five years.

All I care is that these Avs are the most exciting team in hockey, and I say that not just because I’m a homer, but because they’re wild and fast and they apparently love hockey more than they love being professional athletes.

They have an uncontrollable, irrational streak that is going to win them a Cup at some point within the next few years. And after that they’re going to become a boring powerhouse like all the rest.

So I’m not in any hurry for that to happen, I like my Avs as the unpredictable hot mess they are … dropping easy games trouncing for no apparent reason, and doing that howling they they were doing last season and seem to have started again.

These guys are a legend in the making and I’m loving every second of it.

Mikewofsey

I could care less how long the rebuild takes, or when it started, or if it even started back before Sakic left, or how much longer it’s going to take or whether we’re Cup-worthy this year or next or in five years.

All I care is that these Avs are the most exciting team in hockey, and I say that not just because I’m a homer, but because they’re wild and fast and they apparently love hockey more than they love being professional athletes.

They have an uncontrollable, irrational streak that is going to win them a Cup at some point within the next few years. And after that they’re going to become a boring powerhouse like all the rest.

So I’m not in any hurry for that to happen, I like my Avs as the unpredictable hot mess they are … dropping easy games trouncing for no apparent reason, and doing that howling they they were doing last season and seem to have started again.

These guys are a legend in the making and I’m loving every second of it.

Mikewofsey

I could care less how long the rebuild takes, or when it started, or if it even started back before Sakic left, or how much longer it’s going to take or whether we’re Cup-worthy this year or next or in five years.

All I care is that these Avs are the most exciting team in hockey, and I say that not just because I’m a homer, but because they’re wild and fast and they apparently love hockey more than they love being professional athletes.

They have an uncontrollable, irrational streak that is going to win them a Cup at some point within the next few years. And after that they’re going to become a boring powerhouse like all the rest.

So I’m not in any hurry for that to happen, I like my Avs as the unpredictable hot mess they are … dropping easy games trouncing for no apparent reason, and doing that howling they they were doing last season and seem to have started again.

These guys are a legend in the making and I’m loving every second of it.

Jay

At worst, guys like Liffiton, Wilson get sent to LE and Cumiskey is lost to waivers before the Avs send down players that help the team. And the Avs are not in a 5-7 year rebuild. Most teams go through a 5-7 year rebuild due to inconsistent drafting and development. The Avs have sped the rebuild up by 2-3 years because of good drafting and developing.

Anonymous

There’s no such thing as a 7 year rebuild…Pittsburgh Penguins finished the 05-06 season with 58 points, they won the Cup 3 years later. The Blackhawks finished the 05-06 season with 65 points, they won the Cup 4 years later. And the Avalanche were never as far gone as those teams were to begin with. I’d say within 2-3 years the Avalanche will CONTEND, not continue to rebuild.

Matt

If the Avs tank the next 2-3 seasons and draft in the top 3 like Pittsburgh did 3 years running, then yes, it’s a 2-3 year rebuild. But the Avs won’t have that happen, and their recent draft picks are not all going to pan out. Expect this to take 5-7 years, ala Washington, Chicago, etc.

If you can’t see that rebuilds don’t happen overnight, then you’re dense.

Umm, fish?

Matt, I understand that you take a lot of flack around here for your consistently pessimistic tone, but I would personally appreciate it if you didn’t end every comment with an insult. In fact, if you would stop that sort of thing then people might be more willing to give your comments some consideration.

If you feel that you are persecuted here then maybe you’ll be happier if you don’t post as much. Just a suggestion.

Umm, fish?

Matt, I understand that you take a lot of flack around here for your consistently pessimistic tone, but I would personally appreciate it if you didn’t end every comment with an insult. In fact, if you would stop that sort of thing then people might be more willing to give your comments some consideration.

If you feel that you are persecuted here then maybe you’ll be happier if you don’t post as much. Just a suggestion.

Umm, fish?

Matt, I understand that you take a lot of flack around here for your consistently pessimistic tone, but I would personally appreciate it if you didn’t end every comment with an insult. In fact, if you would stop that sort of thing then people might be more willing to give your comments some consideration.

If you feel that you are persecuted here then maybe you’ll be happier if you don’t post as much. Just a suggestion.

Umm, fish?

Matt, I understand that you take a lot of flack around here for your consistently pessimistic tone, but I would personally appreciate it if you didn’t end every comment with an insult. In fact, if you would stop that sort of thing then people might be more willing to give your comments some consideration.

If you feel that you are persecuted here then maybe you’ll be happier if you don’t post as much. Just a suggestion.

Umm, fish?

Matt, I understand that you take a lot of flack around here for your consistently pessimistic tone, but I would personally appreciate it if you didn’t end every comment with an insult. In fact, if you would stop that sort of thing then people might be more willing to give your comments some consideration.

If you feel that you are persecuted here then maybe you’ll be happier if you don’t post as much. Just a suggestion.

Jay

Matt,
You sir need to wake up and read a lot of these posts a little more. You go on and on about these players suck or the team won’t do anything for years and need to tank. You really have no idea how to build a championship team. For every Pittsburgh/Washingtonyou have tons of teams like Atlanta/Columbus/Minnesota/etc that make it work. To be successful in this league over the long run, you need to draft and develop the best players you can. Chicago did just that (Keith wasn’t even a first rounder) and have excellent depth to be competitive. Pittsburgh got lucky with tons of high draft picks in Crosby, Malkin, Fleury, etc but didn’t do so well later on drafting and developing so now they are struggling to find the players they need to compliment their superstars. I could go on and on but a team never wants to tank on purpose for 2-3 years and lose attendance/fans in the process.

Jay

Matt,
You sir need to wake up and read a lot of these posts a little more. You go on and on about these players suck or the team won’t do anything for years and need to tank. You really have no idea how to build a championship team. For every Pittsburgh/Washingtonyou have tons of teams like Atlanta/Columbus/Minnesota/etc that make it work. To be successful in this league over the long run, you need to draft and develop the best players you can. Chicago did just that (Keith wasn’t even a first rounder) and have excellent depth to be competitive. Pittsburgh got lucky with tons of high draft picks in Crosby, Malkin, Fleury, etc but didn’t do so well later on drafting and developing so now they are struggling to find the players they need to compliment their superstars. I could go on and on but a team never wants to tank on purpose for 2-3 years and lose attendance/fans in the process.

Jay

Matt,
You sir need to wake up and read a lot of these posts a little more. You go on and on about these players suck or the team won’t do anything for years and need to tank. You really have no idea how to build a championship team. For every Pittsburgh/Washingtonyou have tons of teams like Atlanta/Columbus/Minnesota/etc that make it work. To be successful in this league over the long run, you need to draft and develop the best players you can. Chicago did just that (Keith wasn’t even a first rounder) and have excellent depth to be competitive. Pittsburgh got lucky with tons of high draft picks in Crosby, Malkin, Fleury, etc but didn’t do so well later on drafting and developing so now they are struggling to find the players they need to compliment their superstars. I could go on and on but a team never wants to tank on purpose for 2-3 years and lose attendance/fans in the process.

Jay

Matt,
You sir need to wake up and read a lot of these posts a little more. You go on and on about these players suck or the team won’t do anything for years and need to tank. You really have no idea how to build a championship team. For every Pittsburgh/Washingtonyou have tons of teams like Atlanta/Columbus/Minnesota/etc that make it work. To be successful in this league over the long run, you need to draft and develop the best players you can. Chicago did just that (Keith wasn’t even a first rounder) and have excellent depth to be competitive. Pittsburgh got lucky with tons of high draft picks in Crosby, Malkin, Fleury, etc but didn’t do so well later on drafting and developing so now they are struggling to find the players they need to compliment their superstars. I could go on and on but a team never wants to tank on purpose for 2-3 years and lose attendance/fans in the process.

Jay

Matt,
You sir need to wake up and read a lot of these posts a little more. You go on and on about these players suck or the team won’t do anything for years and need to tank. You really have no idea how to build a championship team. For every Pittsburgh/Washingtonyou have tons of teams like Atlanta/Columbus/Minnesota/etc that make it work. To be successful in this league over the long run, you need to draft and develop the best players you can. Chicago did just that (Keith wasn’t even a first rounder) and have excellent depth to be competitive. Pittsburgh got lucky with tons of high draft picks in Crosby, Malkin, Fleury, etc but didn’t do so well later on drafting and developing so now they are struggling to find the players they need to compliment their superstars. I could go on and on but a team never wants to tank on purpose for 2-3 years and lose attendance/fans in the process.

Red Wings Suck

Oh right, rebuilds don’t happen overnight. Kinda like how we missed the playoffs 2 seasons ago and managed to get into the first round last year? Not bad from one season to the next. Why don’t you go troll elsewhere Matt, or find something productive to do with your life.

toddb3

So…one playoff appearance where they barely even got in and the rebuild is complete? I’m glad you’re not the GM.

toddb3

So…one playoff appearance where they barely even got in and the rebuild is complete? I’m glad you’re not the GM.

toddb3

So…one playoff appearance where they barely even got in and the rebuild is complete? I’m glad you’re not the GM.

toddb3

So…one playoff appearance where they barely even got in and the rebuild is complete? I’m glad you’re not the GM.

toddb3

So…one playoff appearance where they barely even got in and the rebuild is complete? I’m glad you’re not the GM.

Red Wings Suck

Oh right, rebuilds don’t happen overnight. Kinda like how we missed the playoffs 2 seasons ago and managed to get into the first round last year? Not bad from one season to the next. Why don’t you go troll elsewhere Matt, or find something productive to do with your life.

Red Wings Suck

Oh right, rebuilds don’t happen overnight. Kinda like how we missed the playoffs 2 seasons ago and managed to get into the first round last year? Not bad from one season to the next. Why don’t you go troll elsewhere Matt, or find something productive to do with your life.

Red Wings Suck

Oh right, rebuilds don’t happen overnight. Kinda like how we missed the playoffs 2 seasons ago and managed to get into the first round last year? Not bad from one season to the next. Why don’t you go troll elsewhere Matt, or find something productive to do with your life.

Red Wings Suck

Oh right, rebuilds don’t happen overnight. Kinda like how we missed the playoffs 2 seasons ago and managed to get into the first round last year? Not bad from one season to the next. Why don’t you go troll elsewhere Matt, or find something productive to do with your life.

Anonymous

I guess I’m just dense :) hahaha.

Anonymous

I guess I’m just dense :) hahaha.

Anonymous

I guess I’m just dense :) hahaha.

Anonymous

I guess I’m just dense :) hahaha.

Anonymous

I guess I’m just dense :) hahaha.

Anonymous

I believe the point I was trying to make is that due to the salary cap, and current parity in the league, a 7 year rebuild implies a certain amount of ineptitude by the front office, and failure of the young core players to improve at all. There are 3 groups of teams, teams that are contenders: Detroit, Vancouver, Chicago, Washington, Pittsburgh. Teams that are on the rise to becoming contenders: Colorado, St. Louis, Tampa Bay etc. Lastly there are teams that are just lost in the sauce: Florida, NYI, Columbus etc.

Anonymous

I believe the point I was trying to make is that due to the salary cap, and current parity in the league, a 7 year rebuild implies a certain amount of ineptitude by the front office, and failure of the young core players to improve at all. There are 3 groups of teams, teams that are contenders: Detroit, Vancouver, Chicago, Washington, Pittsburgh. Teams that are on the rise to becoming contenders: Colorado, St. Louis, Tampa Bay etc. Lastly there are teams that are just lost in the sauce: Florida, NYI, Columbus etc.

Anonymous

I believe the point I was trying to make is that due to the salary cap, and current parity in the league, a 7 year rebuild implies a certain amount of ineptitude by the front office, and failure of the young core players to improve at all. There are 3 groups of teams, teams that are contenders: Detroit, Vancouver, Chicago, Washington, Pittsburgh. Teams that are on the rise to becoming contenders: Colorado, St. Louis, Tampa Bay etc. Lastly there are teams that are just lost in the sauce: Florida, NYI, Columbus etc.

Anonymous

I believe the point I was trying to make is that due to the salary cap, and current parity in the league, a 7 year rebuild implies a certain amount of ineptitude by the front office, and failure of the young core players to improve at all. There are 3 groups of teams, teams that are contenders: Detroit, Vancouver, Chicago, Washington, Pittsburgh. Teams that are on the rise to becoming contenders: Colorado, St. Louis, Tampa Bay etc. Lastly there are teams that are just lost in the sauce: Florida, NYI, Columbus etc.

Anonymous

I believe the point I was trying to make is that due to the salary cap, and current parity in the league, a 7 year rebuild implies a certain amount of ineptitude by the front office, and failure of the young core players to improve at all. There are 3 groups of teams, teams that are contenders: Detroit, Vancouver, Chicago, Washington, Pittsburgh. Teams that are on the rise to becoming contenders: Colorado, St. Louis, Tampa Bay etc. Lastly there are teams that are just lost in the sauce: Florida, NYI, Columbus etc.

Matt

If the Avs tank the next 2-3 seasons and draft in the top 3 like Pittsburgh did 3 years running, then yes, it’s a 2-3 year rebuild. But the Avs won’t have that happen, and their recent draft picks are not all going to pan out. Expect this to take 5-7 years, ala Washington, Chicago, etc.

If you can’t see that rebuilds don’t happen overnight, then you’re dense.

Matt

If the Avs tank the next 2-3 seasons and draft in the top 3 like Pittsburgh did 3 years running, then yes, it’s a 2-3 year rebuild. But the Avs won’t have that happen, and their recent draft picks are not all going to pan out. Expect this to take 5-7 years, ala Washington, Chicago, etc.

If you can’t see that rebuilds don’t happen overnight, then you’re dense.

Matt

If the Avs tank the next 2-3 seasons and draft in the top 3 like Pittsburgh did 3 years running, then yes, it’s a 2-3 year rebuild. But the Avs won’t have that happen, and their recent draft picks are not all going to pan out. Expect this to take 5-7 years, ala Washington, Chicago, etc.

If you can’t see that rebuilds don’t happen overnight, then you’re dense.

Matt

If the Avs tank the next 2-3 seasons and draft in the top 3 like Pittsburgh did 3 years running, then yes, it’s a 2-3 year rebuild. But the Avs won’t have that happen, and their recent draft picks are not all going to pan out. Expect this to take 5-7 years, ala Washington, Chicago, etc.

If you can’t see that rebuilds don’t happen overnight, then you’re dense.

toddb3

Keep in mind that the Pens landed Crosby and Malkin, the ‘Hawks got Kane and Toews. As we’ve seen since the Avs came to Denver, that 1-2 punch goes a long ways towards winning Cups. I’m not convinced that the Avs even have the “1” part of a 1-2 punch yet.

toddb3

Keep in mind that the Pens landed Crosby and Malkin, the ‘Hawks got Kane and Toews. As we’ve seen since the Avs came to Denver, that 1-2 punch goes a long ways towards winning Cups. I’m not convinced that the Avs even have the “1” part of a 1-2 punch yet.

toddb3

Keep in mind that the Pens landed Crosby and Malkin, the ‘Hawks got Kane and Toews. As we’ve seen since the Avs came to Denver, that 1-2 punch goes a long ways towards winning Cups. I’m not convinced that the Avs even have the “1” part of a 1-2 punch yet.

toddb3

Keep in mind that the Pens landed Crosby and Malkin, the ‘Hawks got Kane and Toews. As we’ve seen since the Avs came to Denver, that 1-2 punch goes a long ways towards winning Cups. I’m not convinced that the Avs even have the “1” part of a 1-2 punch yet.

toddb3

Keep in mind that the Pens landed Crosby and Malkin, the ‘Hawks got Kane and Toews. As we’ve seen since the Avs came to Denver, that 1-2 punch goes a long ways towards winning Cups. I’m not convinced that the Avs even have the “1” part of a 1-2 punch yet.

Joachim19

Pittsburgh, the luckiest team in NHL history by sucking exactly when Lemieux and Crosby + Jagr and Malkin were up for grabs, won the Crosby sweepstakes! They do not count! As much as I dislike Crosby, just drafting him has sped up the rebuilding of the Penguins by several years!

Joachim19

Pittsburgh, the luckiest team in NHL history by sucking exactly when Lemieux and Crosby + Jagr and Malkin were up for grabs, won the Crosby sweepstakes! They do not count! As much as I dislike Crosby, just drafting him has sped up the rebuilding of the Penguins by several years!

Joachim19

Pittsburgh, the luckiest team in NHL history by sucking exactly when Lemieux and Crosby + Jagr and Malkin were up for grabs, won the Crosby sweepstakes! They do not count! As much as I dislike Crosby, just drafting him has sped up the rebuilding of the Penguins by several years!

Joachim19

Pittsburgh, the luckiest team in NHL history by sucking exactly when Lemieux and Crosby + Jagr and Malkin were up for grabs, won the Crosby sweepstakes! They do not count! As much as I dislike Crosby, just drafting him has sped up the rebuilding of the Penguins by several years!

Joachim19

Pittsburgh, the luckiest team in NHL history by sucking exactly when Lemieux and Crosby + Jagr and Malkin were up for grabs, won the Crosby sweepstakes! They do not count! As much as I dislike Crosby, just drafting him has sped up the rebuilding of the Penguins by several years!

EnzoSin

I agree with you, but they are going to have to start spending money at some point along those 2-3 years in order to contend though.

EnzoSin

I agree with you, but they are going to have to start spending money at some point along those 2-3 years in order to contend though.

EnzoSin

I agree with you, but they are going to have to start spending money at some point along those 2-3 years in order to contend though.

EnzoSin

I agree with you, but they are going to have to start spending money at some point along those 2-3 years in order to contend though.

EnzoSin

I agree with you, but they are going to have to start spending money at some point along those 2-3 years in order to contend though.

Anonymous

There’s no such thing as a 7 year rebuild…Pittsburgh Penguins finished the 05-06 season with 58 points, they won the Cup 3 years later. The Blackhawks finished the 05-06 season with 65 points, they won the Cup 4 years later. And the Avalanche were never as far gone as those teams were to begin with. I’d say within 2-3 years the Avalanche will CONTEND, not continue to rebuild.

Anonymous

There’s no such thing as a 7 year rebuild…Pittsburgh Penguins finished the 05-06 season with 58 points, they won the Cup 3 years later. The Blackhawks finished the 05-06 season with 65 points, they won the Cup 4 years later. And the Avalanche were never as far gone as those teams were to begin with. I’d say within 2-3 years the Avalanche will CONTEND, not continue to rebuild.

Anonymous

There’s no such thing as a 7 year rebuild…Pittsburgh Penguins finished the 05-06 season with 58 points, they won the Cup 3 years later. The Blackhawks finished the 05-06 season with 65 points, they won the Cup 4 years later. And the Avalanche were never as far gone as those teams were to begin with. I’d say within 2-3 years the Avalanche will CONTEND, not continue to rebuild.

Avalanches_14

5-7 years rebuild!! you smoke some very good stuff!! This team is very close for cup contender!

Avalanches_14

5-7 years rebuild!! you smoke some very good stuff!! This team is very close for cup contender!

Avalanches_14

5-7 years rebuild!! you smoke some very good stuff!! This team is very close for cup contender!

Avalanches_14

5-7 years rebuild!! you smoke some very good stuff!! This team is very close for cup contender!

Avalanches_14

5-7 years rebuild!! you smoke some very good stuff!! This team is very close for cup contender!

Matt

Nobody wants the Avs garbage (i.e. Foote, Wilson, Hannan, etc.) There will be no trades.

The Avs are stuck with these guys. Cohen, Shattenkirk, etc. will be sent back down. Remember, this is a 5-7 year rebuild at the minimum.

Matt

Nobody wants the Avs garbage (i.e. Foote, Wilson, Hannan, etc.) There will be no trades.

The Avs are stuck with these guys. Cohen, Shattenkirk, etc. will be sent back down. Remember, this is a 5-7 year rebuild at the minimum.

NickQuebec

Send them back to Lake Erie ! there is nothing wrong with a full year in the american hockey league… they both can put points on the board but offensively they have been pretty quiet in the AHL …but don’t get me wrong i like them a lot, it’s just a matter of time….
by the way Joel Chouinard is having a solid start in Lake Erie offensively

Wilson brings grit to our defense something we lack a lot !
Hannan a the trade deadline will be traded, look for Washington to be interested.. if he stays they won’t sign him next summer…
Foote , probably his last year but i still like his grit and toughness
Quincey , i do not know what to say about him , i m really disappointed in his play and 3.5M for 2 years ! i’m not a fan of Quincey
Cumiskey, i think we should be patient with this guy he still only 23 years old..
Liles , give credit to the guy i have been very tough on him , he stays til Shattenkirk, Cohen or Eliott are ready to be our future quarterback on defense..
Holos, i am big fan since the Olympics last year he is a very intelligent defenseman but i prefere when he plays on the right side …

Jay

Yes Chouinard is someone to keep an eye out for. 3 goals and 3 assists in 5 games in the AHL is top notch for a forward… but for a defenseman? Thats crazy for a first year player.

Peterman

It has to be Wilson. He’s the only one who can make that big hit.

Also, I really hope Hannan is traded but I really don’t see us doing that. Hopefully we won’t re-sign him.

Jay

Hannan only moves if the team is well out of playoff contention by the deadline and Hannan wants a shot at the cup (by waving his NTC). Wilson hits hard but he sometimes holds up or nudges players and this could be due to being more cautious to getting another concussion. Cohen, Gaunce, etc will bring a physical side in the next few years that is more consistent yet lacking that crazy open ice hit Wilson is known for.

NickQuebec

Send them back to Lake Erie ! there is nothing wrong with a full year in the american hockey league… they both can put points on the board but offensively they have been pretty quiet in the AHL …but don’t get me wrong i like them a lot, it’s just a matter of time….
by the way Joel Chouinard is having a solid start in Lake Erie offensively

Wilson brings grit to our defense something we lack a lot !
Hannan a the trade deadline will be traded, look for Washington to be interested.. if he stays they won’t sign him next summer…
Foote , probably his last year but i still like his grit and toughness
Quincey , i do not know what to say about him , i m really disappointed in his play and 3.5M for 2 years ! i’m not a fan of Quincey
Cumiskey, i think we should be patient with this guy he still only 23 years old..
Liles , give credit to the guy i have been very tough on him , he stays til Shattenkirk, Cohen or Eliott are ready to be our future quarterback on defense..
Holos, i am big fan since the Olympics last year he is a very intelligent defenseman but i prefere when he plays on the right side …

Jay

Yes Chouinard is someone to keep an eye out for. 3 goals and 3 assists in 5 games in the AHL is top notch for a forward… but for a defenseman? Thats crazy for a first year player.

Jay

Yes Chouinard is someone to keep an eye out for. 3 goals and 3 assists in 5 games in the AHL is top notch for a forward… but for a defenseman? Thats crazy for a first year player.

Jay

Yes Chouinard is someone to keep an eye out for. 3 goals and 3 assists in 5 games in the AHL is top notch for a forward… but for a defenseman? Thats crazy for a first year player.

Peterman

It has to be Wilson. He’s the only one who can make that big hit.

Also, I really hope Hannan is traded but I really don’t see us doing that. Hopefully we won’t re-sign him.

Peterman

It has to be Wilson. He’s the only one who can make that big hit.

Also, I really hope Hannan is traded but I really don’t see us doing that. Hopefully we won’t re-sign him.

Jay

Hannan only moves if the team is well out of playoff contention by the deadline and Hannan wants a shot at the cup (by waving his NTC). Wilson hits hard but he sometimes holds up or nudges players and this could be due to being more cautious to getting another concussion. Cohen, Gaunce, etc will bring a physical side in the next few years that is more consistent yet lacking that crazy open ice hit Wilson is known for.

Jay

Hannan only moves if the team is well out of playoff contention by the deadline and Hannan wants a shot at the cup (by waving his NTC). Wilson hits hard but he sometimes holds up or nudges players and this could be due to being more cautious to getting another concussion. Cohen, Gaunce, etc will bring a physical side in the next few years that is more consistent yet lacking that crazy open ice hit Wilson is known for.

Jay

Hannan only moves if the team is well out of playoff contention by the deadline and Hannan wants a shot at the cup (by waving his NTC). Wilson hits hard but he sometimes holds up or nudges players and this could be due to being more cautious to getting another concussion. Cohen, Gaunce, etc will bring a physical side in the next few years that is more consistent yet lacking that crazy open ice hit Wilson is known for.

Jay

Hannan only moves if the team is well out of playoff contention by the deadline and Hannan wants a shot at the cup (by waving his NTC). Wilson hits hard but he sometimes holds up or nudges players and this could be due to being more cautious to getting another concussion. Cohen, Gaunce, etc will bring a physical side in the next few years that is more consistent yet lacking that crazy open ice hit Wilson is known for.

Jay

Hannan only moves if the team is well out of playoff contention by the deadline and Hannan wants a shot at the cup (by waving his NTC). Wilson hits hard but he sometimes holds up or nudges players and this could be due to being more cautious to getting another concussion. Cohen, Gaunce, etc will bring a physical side in the next few years that is more consistent yet lacking that crazy open ice hit Wilson is known for.

Peterman

It has to be Wilson. He’s the only one who can make that big hit.

Also, I really hope Hannan is traded but I really don’t see us doing that. Hopefully we won’t re-sign him.

Peterman

It has to be Wilson. He’s the only one who can make that big hit.

Also, I really hope Hannan is traded but I really don’t see us doing that. Hopefully we won’t re-sign him.

Peterman

It has to be Wilson. He’s the only one who can make that big hit.

Also, I really hope Hannan is traded but I really don’t see us doing that. Hopefully we won’t re-sign him.

NickQuebec

Send them back to Lake Erie ! there is nothing wrong with a full year in the american hockey league… they both can put points on the board but offensively they have been pretty quiet in the AHL …but don’t get me wrong i like them a lot, it’s just a matter of time….
by the way Joel Chouinard is having a solid start in Lake Erie offensively

Wilson brings grit to our defense something we lack a lot !
Hannan a the trade deadline will be traded, look for Washington to be interested.. if he stays they won’t sign him next summer…
Foote , probably his last year but i still like his grit and toughness
Quincey , i do not know what to say about him , i m really disappointed in his play and 3.5M for 2 years ! i’m not a fan of Quincey
Cumiskey, i think we should be patient with this guy he still only 23 years old..
Liles , give credit to the guy i have been very tough on him , he stays til Shattenkirk, Cohen or Eliott are ready to be our future quarterback on defense..
Holos, i am big fan since the Olympics last year he is a very intelligent defenseman but i prefere when he plays on the right side …

NickQuebec

Send them back to Lake Erie ! there is nothing wrong with a full year in the american hockey league… they both can put points on the board but offensively they have been pretty quiet in the AHL …but don’t get me wrong i like them a lot, it’s just a matter of time….
by the way Joel Chouinard is having a solid start in Lake Erie offensively

Wilson brings grit to our defense something we lack a lot !
Hannan a the trade deadline will be traded, look for Washington to be interested.. if he stays they won’t sign him next summer…
Foote , probably his last year but i still like his grit and toughness
Quincey , i do not know what to say about him , i m really disappointed in his play and 3.5M for 2 years ! i’m not a fan of Quincey
Cumiskey, i think we should be patient with this guy he still only 23 years old..
Liles , give credit to the guy i have been very tough on him , he stays til Shattenkirk, Cohen or Eliott are ready to be our future quarterback on defense..
Holos, i am big fan since the Olympics last year he is a very intelligent defenseman but i prefere when he plays on the right side …

ard8

It’ll be difficult to find any sort of trading partner this early in the season. Sure, there are teams that are definitely shopping for d-men but it sounds like most are looking for a physical presence, although you have to think a good puck mover would be a high priority for some teams.

Cumiskey has had more than his share of boneheaded turnovers but his overall stats are still good. Even where you’d expect him to be horrible (turnover/takeaway differential) he’s mid-pack. Quincey has had a slow start but he showed definite signs of life on Saturday. His hit on Ribiero at the end of the 2nd was a good sign.

About all you can say for sure is that if and when the Avs have 9 healthy d-men on the roster, they have a good problem. They may or may not solve the problem but I’d rather have more d-men than I can use than too few. If guys are sent down they will be the guys who don’t have to clear waivers. Plain and simple.

Jay

actually a lot of teams are looking for offensive Ds but due to cap constraints are having to find them internally or find inexpensive ones externally. Unfortunately for them, inexpensive offensive Ds (that are available) are tough to find.

ard8

It’ll be difficult to find any sort of trading partner this early in the season. Sure, there are teams that are definitely shopping for d-men but it sounds like most are looking for a physical presence, although you have to think a good puck mover would be a high priority for some teams.

Cumiskey has had more than his share of boneheaded turnovers but his overall stats are still good. Even where you’d expect him to be horrible (turnover/takeaway differential) he’s mid-pack. Quincey has had a slow start but he showed definite signs of life on Saturday. His hit on Ribiero at the end of the 2nd was a good sign.

About all you can say for sure is that if and when the Avs have 9 healthy d-men on the roster, they have a good problem. They may or may not solve the problem but I’d rather have more d-men than I can use than too few. If guys are sent down they will be the guys who don’t have to clear waivers. Plain and simple.

Jay

actually a lot of teams are looking for offensive Ds but due to cap constraints are having to find them internally or find inexpensive ones externally. Unfortunately for them, inexpensive offensive Ds (that are available) are tough to find.

Jay

actually a lot of teams are looking for offensive Ds but due to cap constraints are having to find them internally or find inexpensive ones externally. Unfortunately for them, inexpensive offensive Ds (that are available) are tough to find.

Jay

actually a lot of teams are looking for offensive Ds but due to cap constraints are having to find them internally or find inexpensive ones externally. Unfortunately for them, inexpensive offensive Ds (that are available) are tough to find.

Jay

actually a lot of teams are looking for offensive Ds but due to cap constraints are having to find them internally or find inexpensive ones externally. Unfortunately for them, inexpensive offensive Ds (that are available) are tough to find.

Jay

actually a lot of teams are looking for offensive Ds but due to cap constraints are having to find them internally or find inexpensive ones externally. Unfortunately for them, inexpensive offensive Ds (that are available) are tough to find.

ard8

It’ll be difficult to find any sort of trading partner this early in the season. Sure, there are teams that are definitely shopping for d-men but it sounds like most are looking for a physical presence, although you have to think a good puck mover would be a high priority for some teams.

Cumiskey has had more than his share of boneheaded turnovers but his overall stats are still good. Even where you’d expect him to be horrible (turnover/takeaway differential) he’s mid-pack. Quincey has had a slow start but he showed definite signs of life on Saturday. His hit on Ribiero at the end of the 2nd was a good sign.

About all you can say for sure is that if and when the Avs have 9 healthy d-men on the roster, they have a good problem. They may or may not solve the problem but I’d rather have more d-men than I can use than too few. If guys are sent down they will be the guys who don’t have to clear waivers. Plain and simple.

ard8

It’ll be difficult to find any sort of trading partner this early in the season. Sure, there are teams that are definitely shopping for d-men but it sounds like most are looking for a physical presence, although you have to think a good puck mover would be a high priority for some teams.

Cumiskey has had more than his share of boneheaded turnovers but his overall stats are still good. Even where you’d expect him to be horrible (turnover/takeaway differential) he’s mid-pack. Quincey has had a slow start but he showed definite signs of life on Saturday. His hit on Ribiero at the end of the 2nd was a good sign.

About all you can say for sure is that if and when the Avs have 9 healthy d-men on the roster, they have a good problem. They may or may not solve the problem but I’d rather have more d-men than I can use than too few. If guys are sent down they will be the guys who don’t have to clear waivers. Plain and simple.

ard8

It’ll be difficult to find any sort of trading partner this early in the season. Sure, there are teams that are definitely shopping for d-men but it sounds like most are looking for a physical presence, although you have to think a good puck mover would be a high priority for some teams.

Cumiskey has had more than his share of boneheaded turnovers but his overall stats are still good. Even where you’d expect him to be horrible (turnover/takeaway differential) he’s mid-pack. Quincey has had a slow start but he showed definite signs of life on Saturday. His hit on Ribiero at the end of the 2nd was a good sign.

About all you can say for sure is that if and when the Avs have 9 healthy d-men on the roster, they have a good problem. They may or may not solve the problem but I’d rather have more d-men than I can use than too few. If guys are sent down they will be the guys who don’t have to clear waivers. Plain and simple.

ard8

It’ll be difficult to find any sort of trading partner this early in the season. Sure, there are teams that are definitely shopping for d-men but it sounds like most are looking for a physical presence, although you have to think a good puck mover would be a high priority for some teams.

Cumiskey has had more than his share of boneheaded turnovers but his overall stats are still good. Even where you’d expect him to be horrible (turnover/takeaway differential) he’s mid-pack. Quincey has had a slow start but he showed definite signs of life on Saturday. His hit on Ribiero at the end of the 2nd was a good sign.

About all you can say for sure is that if and when the Avs have 9 healthy d-men on the roster, they have a good problem. They may or may not solve the problem but I’d rather have more d-men than I can use than too few. If guys are sent down they will be the guys who don’t have to clear waivers. Plain and simple.

Hockyfan

I think they need to trade both Cumiskey and Quincey, but TO WHO?

Going into this season Cumiskey had spent time with the Avs in 4 different seasons and we’re still having the discussion about whether he can be an effective and reliable D? I would say that is your answer. The problem is every other team knows this as well. We’d be lucky to get a 4th rounder.

Quincey has different issues. A larger contract and the fact that he has been traded twice before from organizations that had given up on him. Maybe a third rounder for him. (BTW, if I see him misplay one more 2on1, I’m gonna be in the market for a new TV).

Bottom line is trade them both and take our lumps with the newbies. By the end of the year the learning curve with Cohen (excuse me “C Cohen”) and Shattenkirk should be a lot flatter. And we’ll still make the playoffs.

Hockyfan

I think they need to trade both Cumiskey and Quincey, but TO WHO?

Going into this season Cumiskey had spent time with the Avs in 4 different seasons and we’re still having the discussion about whether he can be an effective and reliable D? I would say that is your answer. The problem is every other team knows this as well. We’d be lucky to get a 4th rounder.

Quincey has different issues. A larger contract and the fact that he has been traded twice before from organizations that had given up on him. Maybe a third rounder for him. (BTW, if I see him misplay one more 2on1, I’m gonna be in the market for a new TV).

Bottom line is trade them both and take our lumps with the newbies. By the end of the year the learning curve with Cohen (excuse me “C Cohen”) and Shattenkirk should be a lot flatter. And we’ll still make the playoffs.

Hockyfan

I think they need to trade both Cumiskey and Quincey, but TO WHO?

Going into this season Cumiskey had spent time with the Avs in 4 different seasons and we’re still having the discussion about whether he can be an effective and reliable D? I would say that is your answer. The problem is every other team knows this as well. We’d be lucky to get a 4th rounder.

Quincey has different issues. A larger contract and the fact that he has been traded twice before from organizations that had given up on him. Maybe a third rounder for him. (BTW, if I see him misplay one more 2on1, I’m gonna be in the market for a new TV).

Bottom line is trade them both and take our lumps with the newbies. By the end of the year the learning curve with Cohen (excuse me “C Cohen”) and Shattenkirk should be a lot flatter. And we’ll still make the playoffs.

Hockyfan

I think they need to trade both Cumiskey and Quincey, but TO WHO?

Going into this season Cumiskey had spent time with the Avs in 4 different seasons and we’re still having the discussion about whether he can be an effective and reliable D? I would say that is your answer. The problem is every other team knows this as well. We’d be lucky to get a 4th rounder.

Quincey has different issues. A larger contract and the fact that he has been traded twice before from organizations that had given up on him. Maybe a third rounder for him. (BTW, if I see him misplay one more 2on1, I’m gonna be in the market for a new TV).

Bottom line is trade them both and take our lumps with the newbies. By the end of the year the learning curve with Cohen (excuse me “C Cohen”) and Shattenkirk should be a lot flatter. And we’ll still make the playoffs.

Jay

Quincey was not traded twice from organizations that had given up on him. Detroit put him on waivers to “give him a chance” elsewhere as they were (and had been) set on D. Quincey was big for the Kings and only moved because the Avs wanted him in the Smyth trade and LA had more defensemen than what they knew what to do with (which is a problem Colorado will be dealing over the next few years even if Hannan, Foote, etc move on)

avalanchejeff

Very true. Quincy has tremendous upside, but I hate the inconstancy. I wished we could have gotten Jack Johnson for Ryan Smyth.

Jay

yeah JJ would have been nice (still can’t believe Carolina on that one) but the Avs were desperately wanting to move Smyth’s salary so they took back a solid player in return. If Smyth’s salary was 2/3 what it was, the Avs may have got JJ. LA has some wheeling and dealing to do soon as Doughty, Simmonds, Johnson and Hickey are RFA this summer and they have like $35 million already tied up in half their team for next year.

jimbo

Absolutely right Jay, Hockyfan is very wrong about Quincey. Detroit certainly did not give up on the guy; they liked him a lot, but they had six or seven D ahead of him, and were forced to send him to the minors to clear cap space and a spot on the roster, but he had to clear waivers first. He never made it, the Kings snapped him up. And begin traded for a guy with Ryan Smyth’s resume hardly counts as being “given up” on.

I have a feeling that if the Avs start looking to trade Quincey, they will have no shortage of interested parties. He hasn’t played well so far this season, but he’s only 25, and he’d be a top 4 defenseman on many NHL teams. There would definitely be some demand for the guy.

Hockyfan

I think they need to trade both Cumiskey and Quincey, but TO WHO?

Going into this season Cumiskey had spent time with the Avs in 4 different seasons and we’re still having the discussion about whether he can be an effective and reliable D? I would say that is your answer. The problem is every other team knows this as well. We’d be lucky to get a 4th rounder.

Quincey has different issues. A larger contract and the fact that he has been traded twice before from organizations that had given up on him. Maybe a third rounder for him. (BTW, if I see him misplay one more 2on1, I’m gonna be in the market for a new TV).

Bottom line is trade them both and take our lumps with the newbies. By the end of the year the learning curve with Cohen (excuse me “C Cohen”) and Shattenkirk should be a lot flatter. And we’ll still make the playoffs.

Hockyfan

I think they need to trade both Cumiskey and Quincey, but TO WHO?

Going into this season Cumiskey had spent time with the Avs in 4 different seasons and we’re still having the discussion about whether he can be an effective and reliable D? I would say that is your answer. The problem is every other team knows this as well. We’d be lucky to get a 4th rounder.

Quincey has different issues. A larger contract and the fact that he has been traded twice before from organizations that had given up on him. Maybe a third rounder for him. (BTW, if I see him misplay one more 2on1, I’m gonna be in the market for a new TV).

Bottom line is trade them both and take our lumps with the newbies. By the end of the year the learning curve with Cohen (excuse me “C Cohen”) and Shattenkirk should be a lot flatter. And we’ll still make the playoffs.

Jay

Quincey was not traded twice from organizations that had given up on him. Detroit put him on waivers to “give him a chance” elsewhere as they were (and had been) set on D. Quincey was big for the Kings and only moved because the Avs wanted him in the Smyth trade and LA had more defensemen than what they knew what to do with (which is a problem Colorado will be dealing over the next few years even if Hannan, Foote, etc move on)

avalanchejeff

Very true. Quincy has tremendous upside, but I hate the inconstancy. I wished we could have gotten Jack Johnson for Ryan Smyth.

Jay

yeah JJ would have been nice (still can’t believe Carolina on that one) but the Avs were desperately wanting to move Smyth’s salary so they took back a solid player in return. If Smyth’s salary was 2/3 what it was, the Avs may have got JJ. LA has some wheeling and dealing to do soon as Doughty, Simmonds, Johnson and Hickey are RFA this summer and they have like $35 million already tied up in half their team for next year.

Jay

yeah JJ would have been nice (still can’t believe Carolina on that one) but the Avs were desperately wanting to move Smyth’s salary so they took back a solid player in return. If Smyth’s salary was 2/3 what it was, the Avs may have got JJ. LA has some wheeling and dealing to do soon as Doughty, Simmonds, Johnson and Hickey are RFA this summer and they have like $35 million already tied up in half their team for next year.

Jay

yeah JJ would have been nice (still can’t believe Carolina on that one) but the Avs were desperately wanting to move Smyth’s salary so they took back a solid player in return. If Smyth’s salary was 2/3 what it was, the Avs may have got JJ. LA has some wheeling and dealing to do soon as Doughty, Simmonds, Johnson and Hickey are RFA this summer and they have like $35 million already tied up in half their team for next year.

Jay

yeah JJ would have been nice (still can’t believe Carolina on that one) but the Avs were desperately wanting to move Smyth’s salary so they took back a solid player in return. If Smyth’s salary was 2/3 what it was, the Avs may have got JJ. LA has some wheeling and dealing to do soon as Doughty, Simmonds, Johnson and Hickey are RFA this summer and they have like $35 million already tied up in half their team for next year.

Jay

yeah JJ would have been nice (still can’t believe Carolina on that one) but the Avs were desperately wanting to move Smyth’s salary so they took back a solid player in return. If Smyth’s salary was 2/3 what it was, the Avs may have got JJ. LA has some wheeling and dealing to do soon as Doughty, Simmonds, Johnson and Hickey are RFA this summer and they have like $35 million already tied up in half their team for next year.

avalanchejeff

Very true. Quincy has tremendous upside, but I hate the inconstancy. I wished we could have gotten Jack Johnson for Ryan Smyth.

avalanchejeff

Very true. Quincy has tremendous upside, but I hate the inconstancy. I wished we could have gotten Jack Johnson for Ryan Smyth.

avalanchejeff

Very true. Quincy has tremendous upside, but I hate the inconstancy. I wished we could have gotten Jack Johnson for Ryan Smyth.

avalanchejeff

Very true. Quincy has tremendous upside, but I hate the inconstancy. I wished we could have gotten Jack Johnson for Ryan Smyth.

jimbo

Absolutely right Jay, Hockyfan is very wrong about Quincey. Detroit certainly did not give up on the guy; they liked him a lot, but they had six or seven D ahead of him, and were forced to send him to the minors to clear cap space and a spot on the roster, but he had to clear waivers first. He never made it, the Kings snapped him up. And begin traded for a guy with Ryan Smyth’s resume hardly counts as being “given up” on.

I have a feeling that if the Avs start looking to trade Quincey, they will have no shortage of interested parties. He hasn’t played well so far this season, but he’s only 25, and he’d be a top 4 defenseman on many NHL teams. There would definitely be some demand for the guy.

jimbo

Absolutely right Jay, Hockyfan is very wrong about Quincey. Detroit certainly did not give up on the guy; they liked him a lot, but they had six or seven D ahead of him, and were forced to send him to the minors to clear cap space and a spot on the roster, but he had to clear waivers first. He never made it, the Kings snapped him up. And begin traded for a guy with Ryan Smyth’s resume hardly counts as being “given up” on.

I have a feeling that if the Avs start looking to trade Quincey, they will have no shortage of interested parties. He hasn’t played well so far this season, but he’s only 25, and he’d be a top 4 defenseman on many NHL teams. There would definitely be some demand for the guy.

jimbo

Absolutely right Jay, Hockyfan is very wrong about Quincey. Detroit certainly did not give up on the guy; they liked him a lot, but they had six or seven D ahead of him, and were forced to send him to the minors to clear cap space and a spot on the roster, but he had to clear waivers first. He never made it, the Kings snapped him up. And begin traded for a guy with Ryan Smyth’s resume hardly counts as being “given up” on.

I have a feeling that if the Avs start looking to trade Quincey, they will have no shortage of interested parties. He hasn’t played well so far this season, but he’s only 25, and he’d be a top 4 defenseman on many NHL teams. There would definitely be some demand for the guy.

jimbo

Absolutely right Jay, Hockyfan is very wrong about Quincey. Detroit certainly did not give up on the guy; they liked him a lot, but they had six or seven D ahead of him, and were forced to send him to the minors to clear cap space and a spot on the roster, but he had to clear waivers first. He never made it, the Kings snapped him up. And begin traded for a guy with Ryan Smyth’s resume hardly counts as being “given up” on.

I have a feeling that if the Avs start looking to trade Quincey, they will have no shortage of interested parties. He hasn’t played well so far this season, but he’s only 25, and he’d be a top 4 defenseman on many NHL teams. There would definitely be some demand for the guy.

jimbo

Absolutely right Jay, Hockyfan is very wrong about Quincey. Detroit certainly did not give up on the guy; they liked him a lot, but they had six or seven D ahead of him, and were forced to send him to the minors to clear cap space and a spot on the roster, but he had to clear waivers first. He never made it, the Kings snapped him up. And begin traded for a guy with Ryan Smyth’s resume hardly counts as being “given up” on.

I have a feeling that if the Avs start looking to trade Quincey, they will have no shortage of interested parties. He hasn’t played well so far this season, but he’s only 25, and he’d be a top 4 defenseman on many NHL teams. There would definitely be some demand for the guy.

Jay

Quincey was not traded twice from organizations that had given up on him. Detroit put him on waivers to “give him a chance” elsewhere as they were (and had been) set on D. Quincey was big for the Kings and only moved because the Avs wanted him in the Smyth trade and LA had more defensemen than what they knew what to do with (which is a problem Colorado will be dealing over the next few years even if Hannan, Foote, etc move on)

Jay

Quincey was not traded twice from organizations that had given up on him. Detroit put him on waivers to “give him a chance” elsewhere as they were (and had been) set on D. Quincey was big for the Kings and only moved because the Avs wanted him in the Smyth trade and LA had more defensemen than what they knew what to do with (which is a problem Colorado will be dealing over the next few years even if Hannan, Foote, etc move on)

Jay

Quincey was not traded twice from organizations that had given up on him. Detroit put him on waivers to “give him a chance” elsewhere as they were (and had been) set on D. Quincey was big for the Kings and only moved because the Avs wanted him in the Smyth trade and LA had more defensemen than what they knew what to do with (which is a problem Colorado will be dealing over the next few years even if Hannan, Foote, etc move on)

Jay

Quincey was not traded twice from organizations that had given up on him. Detroit put him on waivers to “give him a chance” elsewhere as they were (and had been) set on D. Quincey was big for the Kings and only moved because the Avs wanted him in the Smyth trade and LA had more defensemen than what they knew what to do with (which is a problem Colorado will be dealing over the next few years even if Hannan, Foote, etc move on)

Jrpack2005

Hannan and Foote will be both gone next year, so no worries. There will be enough injuries this year to get them all plenty of games..Wilson is a stud, so trading him would be a big mistake. I would however, offer Cuminsky for a proven winger with some grit.

Jrpack2005

Hannan and Foote will be both gone next year, so no worries. There will be enough injuries this year to get them all plenty of games..Wilson is a stud, so trading him would be a big mistake. I would however, offer Cuminsky for a proven winger with some grit.

Jrpack2005

Hannan and Foote will be both gone next year, so no worries. There will be enough injuries this year to get them all plenty of games..Wilson is a stud, so trading him would be a big mistake. I would however, offer Cuminsky for a proven winger with some grit.

Jrpack2005

Hannan and Foote will be both gone next year, so no worries. There will be enough injuries this year to get them all plenty of games..Wilson is a stud, so trading him would be a big mistake. I would however, offer Cuminsky for a proven winger with some grit.

Jrpack2005

Hannan and Foote will be both gone next year, so no worries. There will be enough injuries this year to get them all plenty of games..Wilson is a stud, so trading him would be a big mistake. I would however, offer Cuminsky for a proven winger with some grit.

Jay

I like Wilson too but he is limited in what he can do right now. As a bottom pairing D on other teams he would be good to have but the Avs are starting to get flooded with better talent so Wilson will have to pick up his game (especially a consistent return to his hard hitting ways).

Jay

I like Wilson too but he is limited in what he can do right now. As a bottom pairing D on other teams he would be good to have but the Avs are starting to get flooded with better talent so Wilson will have to pick up his game (especially a consistent return to his hard hitting ways).

Jay

I like Wilson too but he is limited in what he can do right now. As a bottom pairing D on other teams he would be good to have but the Avs are starting to get flooded with better talent so Wilson will have to pick up his game (especially a consistent return to his hard hitting ways).

Jay

I like Wilson too but he is limited in what he can do right now. As a bottom pairing D on other teams he would be good to have but the Avs are starting to get flooded with better talent so Wilson will have to pick up his game (especially a consistent return to his hard hitting ways).

Jay

I like Wilson too but he is limited in what he can do right now. As a bottom pairing D on other teams he would be good to have but the Avs are starting to get flooded with better talent so Wilson will have to pick up his game (especially a consistent return to his hard hitting ways).

Jrpack2005

Hannan and Foote will be both gone next year, so no worries. There will be enough injuries this year to get them all plenty of games..Wilson is a stud, so trading him would be a big mistake. I would however, offer Cuminsky for a proven winger with some grit.

Jay

I like Wilson too but he is limited in what he can do right now. As a bottom pairing D on other teams he would be good to have but the Avs are starting to get flooded with better talent so Wilson will have to pick up his game (especially a consistent return to his hard hitting ways).

Mariechantal

Is it ever pleasant to watch Cohen and Shattenkirk? This wind of youth is very interesting and exciting at times ! Especially last night. We could see what these kids can bring : fast paste, quick passes, joining the rush and making things happen. Holos, Cohen and Shattenkirk are the new way of playing defense. They are not excellent in their own end, not too physical, at least not Shattenkirk and Holos, but they move the puck quickly and are very smart with the puck. They will grow though and certainly get better in their own end.

Cohen can and seems to be willing to take care of himself.

Are we doing worse than when Cumiskey, Wilson and Foote are in the lineuup ? Certainly not ! Are we doing better ? I think so. I like Wilson a lot, because of his physical play but I don’t like Cumiskey’s play this year, nor do I think Foote is bringing anything else than leadership.

I really like the trend we are taking with our young defensemen !

Jay

If the rookies keep playing at a decent level, I wouldn’t be surprised if Sacco runs 7 Ds while Foote is healthy to keep him in yet allow some additional youth on defense.

Jay

If the rookies keep playing at a decent level, I wouldn’t be surprised if Sacco runs 7 Ds while Foote is healthy to keep him in yet allow some additional youth on defense.

johnnyjohnjohn

The rookies WILL NOT play at a decent level. The season is going to be in serious turmoil within a few weeks. The Avs will be well below .500 by the first week of December, and completely out of any kind of playoff spot by Christmas.

johnnyjohnjohn

The rookies WILL NOT play at a decent level. The season is going to be in serious turmoil within a few weeks. The Avs will be well below .500 by the first week of December, and completely out of any kind of playoff spot by Christmas.

Sakic Fan

Kiszla is that you?

Sakic Fan

Kiszla is that you?

Sakic Fan

Kiszla is that you?

Sakic Fan

Kiszla is that you?

Sakic Fan

Kiszla is that you?

johnnyjohnjohn

The rookies WILL NOT play at a decent level. The season is going to be in serious turmoil within a few weeks. The Avs will be well below .500 by the first week of December, and completely out of any kind of playoff spot by Christmas.

johnnyjohnjohn

The rookies WILL NOT play at a decent level. The season is going to be in serious turmoil within a few weeks. The Avs will be well below .500 by the first week of December, and completely out of any kind of playoff spot by Christmas.

johnnyjohnjohn

The rookies WILL NOT play at a decent level. The season is going to be in serious turmoil within a few weeks. The Avs will be well below .500 by the first week of December, and completely out of any kind of playoff spot by Christmas.

Jay

If the rookies keep playing at a decent level, I wouldn’t be surprised if Sacco runs 7 Ds while Foote is healthy to keep him in yet allow some additional youth on defense.

Jay

If the rookies keep playing at a decent level, I wouldn’t be surprised if Sacco runs 7 Ds while Foote is healthy to keep him in yet allow some additional youth on defense.

Jay

If the rookies keep playing at a decent level, I wouldn’t be surprised if Sacco runs 7 Ds while Foote is healthy to keep him in yet allow some additional youth on defense.

Mariechantal

Is it ever pleasant to watch Cohen and Shattenkirk? This wind of youth is very interesting and exciting at times ! Especially last night. We could see what these kids can bring : fast paste, quick passes, joining the rush and making things happen. Holos, Cohen and Shattenkirk are the new way of playing defense. They are not excellent in their own end, not too physical, at least not Shattenkirk and Holos, but they move the puck quickly and are very smart with the puck. They will grow though and certainly get better in their own end.

Cohen can and seems to be willing to take care of himself.

Are we doing worse than when Cumiskey, Wilson and Foote are in the lineuup ? Certainly not ! Are we doing better ? I think so. I like Wilson a lot, because of his physical play but I don’t like Cumiskey’s play this year, nor do I think Foote is bringing anything else than leadership.

I really like the trend we are taking with our young defensemen !

Mariechantal

Is it ever pleasant to watch Cohen and Shattenkirk? This wind of youth is very interesting and exciting at times ! Especially last night. We could see what these kids can bring : fast paste, quick passes, joining the rush and making things happen. Holos, Cohen and Shattenkirk are the new way of playing defense. They are not excellent in their own end, not too physical, at least not Shattenkirk and Holos, but they move the puck quickly and are very smart with the puck. They will grow though and certainly get better in their own end.

Cohen can and seems to be willing to take care of himself.

Are we doing worse than when Cumiskey, Wilson and Foote are in the lineuup ? Certainly not ! Are we doing better ? I think so. I like Wilson a lot, because of his physical play but I don’t like Cumiskey’s play this year, nor do I think Foote is bringing anything else than leadership.

I really like the trend we are taking with our young defensemen !

Mariechantal

Is it ever pleasant to watch Cohen and Shattenkirk? This wind of youth is very interesting and exciting at times ! Especially last night. We could see what these kids can bring : fast paste, quick passes, joining the rush and making things happen. Holos, Cohen and Shattenkirk are the new way of playing defense. They are not excellent in their own end, not too physical, at least not Shattenkirk and Holos, but they move the puck quickly and are very smart with the puck. They will grow though and certainly get better in their own end.

Cohen can and seems to be willing to take care of himself.

Are we doing worse than when Cumiskey, Wilson and Foote are in the lineuup ? Certainly not ! Are we doing better ? I think so. I like Wilson a lot, because of his physical play but I don’t like Cumiskey’s play this year, nor do I think Foote is bringing anything else than leadership.

I really like the trend we are taking with our young defensemen !

Mariechantal

Is it ever pleasant to watch Cohen and Shattenkirk? This wind of youth is very interesting and exciting at times ! Especially last night. We could see what these kids can bring : fast paste, quick passes, joining the rush and making things happen. Holos, Cohen and Shattenkirk are the new way of playing defense. They are not excellent in their own end, not too physical, at least not Shattenkirk and Holos, but they move the puck quickly and are very smart with the puck. They will grow though and certainly get better in their own end.

Cohen can and seems to be willing to take care of himself.

Are we doing worse than when Cumiskey, Wilson and Foote are in the lineuup ? Certainly not ! Are we doing better ? I think so. I like Wilson a lot, because of his physical play but I don’t like Cumiskey’s play this year, nor do I think Foote is bringing anything else than leadership.

I really like the trend we are taking with our young defensemen !

Mariechantal

Is it ever pleasant to watch Cohen and Shattenkirk? This wind of youth is very interesting and exciting at times ! Especially last night. We could see what these kids can bring : fast paste, quick passes, joining the rush and making things happen. Holos, Cohen and Shattenkirk are the new way of playing defense. They are not excellent in their own end, not too physical, at least not Shattenkirk and Holos, but they move the puck quickly and are very smart with the puck. They will grow though and certainly get better in their own end.

Cohen can and seems to be willing to take care of himself.

Are we doing worse than when Cumiskey, Wilson and Foote are in the lineuup ? Certainly not ! Are we doing better ? I think so. I like Wilson a lot, because of his physical play but I don’t like Cumiskey’s play this year, nor do I think Foote is bringing anything else than leadership.

I really like the trend we are taking with our young defensemen !

Jay

If the rookies keep playing at a decent level, I wouldn’t be surprised if Sacco runs 7 Ds while Foote is healthy to keep him in yet allow some additional youth on defense.

johnnyjohnjohn

The rookies WILL NOT play at a decent level. The season is going to be in serious turmoil within a few weeks. The Avs will be well below .500 by the first week of December, and completely out of any kind of playoff spot by Christmas.

Sakic Fan

Kiszla is that you?

Jay

the interesting item that most everyone have not picked up on is the fact that there may be just as good or even better puck moving offensive Ds still to play for the Avs. Recent picks like Elliott and Barrie look to have offensive potential through the roof (whether it translates is another thing) while Chouinard in LE looks to have the potential to be a steal for the Avs. The next 2-3 years will be fun to watch as the defense transitions into a younger faster puck moving squad.

Jay

the interesting item that most everyone have not picked up on is the fact that there may be just as good or even better puck moving offensive Ds still to play for the Avs. Recent picks like Elliott and Barrie look to have offensive potential through the roof (whether it translates is another thing) while Chouinard in LE looks to have the potential to be a steal for the Avs. The next 2-3 years will be fun to watch as the defense transitions into a younger faster puck moving squad.

Jay

the interesting item that most everyone have not picked up on is the fact that there may be just as good or even better puck moving offensive Ds still to play for the Avs. Recent picks like Elliott and Barrie look to have offensive potential through the roof (whether it translates is another thing) while Chouinard in LE looks to have the potential to be a steal for the Avs. The next 2-3 years will be fun to watch as the defense transitions into a younger faster puck moving squad.

Jay

the interesting item that most everyone have not picked up on is the fact that there may be just as good or even better puck moving offensive Ds still to play for the Avs. Recent picks like Elliott and Barrie look to have offensive potential through the roof (whether it translates is another thing) while Chouinard in LE looks to have the potential to be a steal for the Avs. The next 2-3 years will be fun to watch as the defense transitions into a younger faster puck moving squad.

Jay

the interesting item that most everyone have not picked up on is the fact that there may be just as good or even better puck moving offensive Ds still to play for the Avs. Recent picks like Elliott and Barrie look to have offensive potential through the roof (whether it translates is another thing) while Chouinard in LE looks to have the potential to be a steal for the Avs. The next 2-3 years will be fun to watch as the defense transitions into a younger faster puck moving squad.

Jay

the interesting item that most everyone have not picked up on is the fact that there may be just as good or even better puck moving offensive Ds still to play for the Avs. Recent picks like Elliott and Barrie look to have offensive potential through the roof (whether it translates is another thing) while Chouinard in LE looks to have the potential to be a steal for the Avs. The next 2-3 years will be fun to watch as the defense transitions into a younger faster puck moving squad.

toddb3

It won’t be an issue because they’ll have three more d-men injured by then.

toddb3

It won’t be an issue because they’ll have three more d-men injured by then.

toddb3

It won’t be an issue because they’ll have three more d-men injured by then.

toddb3

It won’t be an issue because they’ll have three more d-men injured by then.

toddb3

It won’t be an issue because they’ll have three more d-men injured by then.

toddb3

It won’t be an issue because they’ll have three more d-men injured by then.

Anonymous

I agree with those that are supporting Wilson. He is the one d man the Avs have that can put out those punishing hits.

Anonymous

I agree with those that are supporting Wilson. He is the one d man the Avs have that can put out those punishing hits.

Anonymous

I agree with those that are supporting Wilson. He is the one d man the Avs have that can put out those punishing hits.

Anonymous

I agree with those that are supporting Wilson. He is the one d man the Avs have that can put out those punishing hits.

Anonymous

I agree with those that are supporting Wilson. He is the one d man the Avs have that can put out those punishing hits.

Anonymous

I agree with those that are supporting Wilson. He is the one d man the Avs have that can put out those punishing hits.

Uhmm

Maybe we could try Liles and Cumiskey on left wing?

Uhmm

Maybe we could try Liles and Cumiskey on left wing?

Uhmm

Maybe we could try Liles and Cumiskey on left wing?

Uhmm

Maybe we could try Liles and Cumiskey on left wing?

Uhmm

Maybe we could try Liles and Cumiskey on left wing?

Uhmm

Maybe we could try Liles and Cumiskey on left wing?

Teamlosman

I agree I am sick and tired of our defense and something NEEDS to be done

Teamlosman

I agree I am sick and tired of our defense and something NEEDS to be done

Teamlosman

I agree I am sick and tired of our defense and something NEEDS to be done

Teamlosman

I agree I am sick and tired of our defense and something NEEDS to be done

Teamlosman

I agree I am sick and tired of our defense and something NEEDS to be done

Teamlosman

I agree I am sick and tired of our defense and something NEEDS to be done

Terry Frei graduated from Wheat Ridge High School in the Denver area and has degrees in history and journalism from the University of Colorado-Boulder. He worked for the Rocky Mountain News while attending CU and joined the Post staff after graduation. He has also worked at the Oregonian in Portland, Ore., and The Sporting News. His seventh book, March 1939: Before the Madness, was issued in February 2014.

Chambers covers college and professional hockey for The Denver Post. He has written for the Post since 1994, after dumping his first 9-to-5 office job a couple years out of college. He primarily follows the University of Denver hockey team and helps cover the Avalanche.