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Re: QB Evaluation

Originally Posted by evade6317

Troy Smith was a playmaker in college and he even won an award. His only knock is his height.

Regretfully, while good coaching can perhaps help Boller overcome his freneticism and can help Flacco learn to play the game by leaning on the Center's asshole instead of waiting for the ball to be hiked to him from the shotgun, coaching cannot help Troy Smith overcome his height disability.

That "only knock" is a big one that cannot be overcome. Sorry ....

In a 2003 BBC poll that asked Brits to name the "Greatest American Ever", Mr. T came in fourth, behind ML King (3rd), Abe Lincoln (2nd) and Homer Simpson (1st).

Re: QB Evaluation

Originally Posted by Mista T

Regretfully, while good coaching can perhaps help Boller overcome his freneticism and can help Flacco learn to play the game by leaning on the Center's asshole instead of waiting for the ball to be hiked to him from the shotgun, coaching cannot help Troy Smith overcome his height disability.

That "only knock" is a big one that cannot be overcome. Sorry ....

Lack of height didn't keep Jeff Garcia, Drew Brees, Michael Vick and Doug Flutie from playing well. Or did they play with short linemen? I'd take there production over Hightower Boller's any day.

QBs can either play, or they can't. If measurables were proportional to a QBs ability on the field, Boller would have been a time Pro Bowler by now.

Re: QB Evaluation

Originally Posted by ravenwoman

No one knows for sure how all of this plays out until the preseason is over. I say we will keep all (3) QB's this year, just for insurance. At some point, Joe Flacco will be the starter. They are not paying him to be a backup or a protege for long. Depending on how the season plays out will determine his starting date. If he has an unbelievable pre-season, I do see him starting. The coach will decide who gives us the best chance to win.

Well, I don't see him starting, but I pretty much agree with Ravenwoman.

I would not be at all surprised for the depth chart to look like Boller/Flacco/Smith, because the #1 backup would be getting more reps with the #1 offense.

In years past we have sometimes carried two quarterbacks on the roster, but I suspect this year we go to three, as Ravenwoman says.

Check in again half way through the season, and we can talk again about who should be starting. But if the team is doing well, or the QB is doing well, obviously a change is unlikely.

Festivus

His definitions and arguments were so clear in his own mind that he was unable to understand how any reasonable person could honestly differ with him.

Re: QB Evaluation

Originally Posted by Mista T

Regretfully, while good coaching can perhaps help Boller overcome his freneticism and can help Flacco learn to play the game by leaning on the Center's asshole instead of waiting for the ball to be hiked to him from the shotgun, coaching cannot help Troy Smith overcome his height disability.

That "only knock" is a big one that cannot be overcome. Sorry ....

The average height of his O-Line at Ohio State was around 6'6". Wasn't a problem for him in college?

Re: QB Evaluation

Originally Posted by 4G63

The average height of his O-Line at Ohio State was around 6'6". Wasn't a problem for him in college?

What does that have to do with the price of Tea in China?.

There are many other reasons that miniature people don't play NFL QB then to "see over their OL." What you cannot refute however, is that his perspective of the field is altered(for the worse) as compared to a taller QB. The field that is visible to him is CERTAINLY and factually SMALLER.

Re: QB Evaluation

Originally Posted by jonboy79

What does that have to do with the price of Tea in China?.

There are many other reasons that miniature people don't play NFL QB then to "see over their OL." What you cannot refute however, is that his perspective of the field is altered(for the worse) as compared to a taller QB. The field that is visible to him is CERTAINLY and factually SMALLER.

We'll certainly see won't we?

I, for one, don't think it is a problem if he is utilized properly. I'm rooting for him because Boller sucks and I don't want to see Flacco during the regular season.

No matter what any of us say here I do know one thing: We will have a dramatically different offense this year vs. the Billick years. I think if Boller ends up being the starter, he will look different than his previous years' of ineptitude.

I also think McGahee and Rice are gonna do the real damage on offense. anyway

Re: QB Evaluation

Originally Posted by 4G63

I, for one, don't think it is a problem if he is utilized properly.

"If he is utilized properly", the entire offensive scheme would have to change. Away from defending the tall guys (Boller, then Flacco) who can stand back in the pocket and actually see their receivers downfield.

That is a major reason why Smith will not start. Along with his inaccuracy and being fumble-prone.

In a 2003 BBC poll that asked Brits to name the "Greatest American Ever", Mr. T came in fourth, behind ML King (3rd), Abe Lincoln (2nd) and Homer Simpson (1st).

Re: QB Evaluation

I agree, to be utilized properly includes a VERY bootleg heavy system, and I haven't seen much From Smith actually throwing the ball once out of the pocket. I haven't seen him even look downfield when out of the pocket, he looks at the ground, tucks the bal and runs for his life.

Re: QB Evaluation

Originally Posted by jonboy79

I agree, to be utilized properly includes a VERY bootleg heavy system, and I haven't seen much From Smith actually throwing the ball once out of the pocket. I haven't seen him even look downfield when out of the pocket, he looks at the ground, tucks the bal and runs for his life.

Re: QB Evaluation

Originally Posted by 4G63

Funny thing about that comment was it could apply to Boller too.

To a much lesser extent. Funny thing is, now that I think about it, most of my "venom" agasint Smith comes from comparing him with Matt Ryan when I was championing him. To me they are pretty much Polar opposites. What I saw from Ryan that make me feel he has "IT" is the same stuff Troy is missing.

Re: QB Evaluation

Originally Posted by Mista T

"If he is utilized properly", the entire offensive scheme would have to change. Away from defending the tall guys (Boller, then Flacco) who can stand back in the pocket and actually see their receivers downfield. .

LMAO , you make it sound as though boller is some down field gunslinger. His YPA was horrible last year but then again Boller is horrible.

Originally Posted by Mista T

That is a major reason why Smith will not start. Along with his inaccuracy and being fumble-prone.

Boller is accurate and not fumble prone? You're clueless or pulling the fanbases leg.

Thank God the Ravens front office has come to the conclusion that Boller is in over his head as a starter in this league and has made moves that will eventually sever ties with this guy.. Boller is nothing more than 2 blown first day picks.

Re: QB Evaluation

Originally Posted by jonboy79

To a much lesser extent. Funny thing is, now that I think about it, most of my "venom" agasint Smith comes from comparing him with Matt Ryan when I was championing him. To me they are pretty much Polar opposites. What I saw from Ryan that make me feel he has "IT" is the same stuff Troy is missing.

There's no need for "venom" against Smith. He was a 5th round pick and there wasn't much to expect out of him anyway. Basically, he can only go "up" and if the team decides to keep him this year (which I hope they do) he'll have even more experience.

Do you think that if Boller is named the starter that Smith or Flacco should be the #2 man? I personally think it should be Smith simply because he's got more experience in big games (college and pro) and I'd like to see Flacco sit for most the year, if not all of it. Plus, our last 6 teams on the schedule are pretty good this year.

Re: QB Evaluation

Originally Posted by 4G63

There's no need for "venom" against Smith. He was a 5th round pick and there wasn't much to expect out of him anyway. Basically, he can only go "up" and if the team decides to keep him this year (which I hope they do) he'll have even more experience.

Do you think that if Boller is named the starter that Smith or Flacco should be the #2 man? I personally think it should be Smith simply because he's got more experience in big games (college and pro) and I'd like to see Flacco sit for most the year, if not all of it. Plus, our last 6 teams on the schedule are pretty good this year.

I put "Venom" in quotes because I have to defend the fact that I think he isn't likely to be a Pro-bowler...

I think Flacco should be the number three until after the bye week, but should be taking the snaps of the number 2 QB in practice from day 1, no matter who is the starter. He will be our QB next year, and maybe even later this year, he needs the practice more then anyone.

Re: QB Evaluation

Not piling on Jonboy because I like most of what he posts....

Originally Posted by 4G63

There's no need for "venom" against Smith. He was a 5th round pick and there wasn't much to expect out of him anyway. Basically, he can only go "up" and if the team decides to keep him this year (which I hope they do) he'll have even more experience. .

I hear you 4G, Smith cost the ravens a 5th round compensitory pick. The Ravens have virtually nothing invested in him on the other hand there's another quarterback in town the team has...
- wasted this team um-teen million dollars
-hundreds of hours of trying to coach him up
-god knows how many coaches he's been through trying to make him a contributer instead of a liability
-a first and second round draft pick
more than likely atleast one quality player and contributer to this team that would have been picked with one of those two picks
-atleast one Pro Bowl quarterback.
countless games, stellar defense and seasons wasted.

Originally Posted by 4G63

I personally think it should be Smith simply because he's got more experience in big games (college and pro) and I'd like to see Flacco sit for most the year, if not all of it. Plus, our last 6 teams on the schedule are pretty good this year.

Again I agree. In Smiths short audition last season he's shown more promise than boller ever has. Boller would have put up horrible stats against both teams in the rain, not to mention Boller has trouble putting up pedestrian numbers against some of the NFLs worst defenses.

On the road??? The Ravens have no chance to win with Kyle Boller unless the defense carries the day and scores points, more than likely two scores.
This November 14 will be 4 friggin years since Boller won on the road and that was against a backup quarterback.... get real........