Yeah, they claim to answer things that can't be answered because nobody has the data.

The NIST admitted they needed the distribution of weight to analyze the impacts but then they don't specify the amount of concrete.

psik

Q: If I put an ice cube in a hot pan, which way will it move?
A: Without the specific data, the question is unanswerable.

Q: If I put an ice cube in a hot pan, what will happen to it?
A: It will fucking melt.

Do you see the difference?

The exact specifics are often irrelevant. But they do serve as a useful identifier for the JAQ-off: anomaly hunting and demands for perfection are not the same as real investigation.

EDIT: Incidentally - because we all know you're just spamming vapid copypasta - can you provide the precise citation as to where that occurs and in what documents? Let alone why that apparent "missing" piece of information invalidates anything else? It's okay, I'll wait.

I never said it was. But the steel had to support the WEIGHT of the concrete, so the designers of the steel structure had to know what that weight was. In addition to what they presumed to be the live load.

Have I said the phrase "distribution of steel" before?

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I never said it was. But the steel had to support the WEIGHT of the concrete, so the designers of the steel structure had to know what that weight was. In addition to what they presumed to be the live load.

Have I said the phrase "distribution of steel" before?

psik

Have you said the phrase "I am an expert on building collapse" before? 'Cos if not why the fuck should anyone listen to you?

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(06-02-2014 03:47 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote: And I'm giving myself a conclusion again from all the facepalming.

(13-02-2016 01:49 AM)morondog Wrote: Have you said the phrase "I am an expert on building collapse" before?

Well, he is a conspiracy theorist without any actual grasp of physics or engineering.

So... almost definitely, yes.

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(11-02-2016 03:22 PM)psikeyhackr Wrote: Yeah, they claim to answer things that can't be answered because nobody has the data.

The NIST admitted they needed the distribution of weight to analyze the impacts but then they don't specify the amount of concrete.

psik

Q: If I put an ice cube in a hot pan, which way will it move?
A: Without the specific data, the question is unanswerable.

Q: If I put an ice cube in a hot pan, what will happen to it?
A: It will fucking melt.

Do you see the difference?

But are those questions even comparable to what I have been talking about.

I have been pointing out that we do not have data. I said the NIST does not specify the total amount of concrete much less its distribution.

We know what direction the plane came from, its mass, velocity and where it hit the building. Your question about the the pan and ice cube contains no mass and vector data. The size of the cube and the temperature of the pan would be necessary to estimate how long it would take to melt.

Can you even comprehend the difference?

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(11-02-2016 03:46 PM)cjlr Wrote: Q: If I put an ice cube in a hot pan, which way will it move?
A: Without the specific data, the question is unanswerable.

Q: If I put an ice cube in a hot pan, what will happen to it?
A: It will fucking melt.

Do you see the difference?

But are those questions even comparable to what I have been talking about.

I have been pointing out that we do not have data. I said the NIST does not specify the total amount of concrete much less its distribution.

We know what direction the plane came from, its mass, velocity and where it hit the building. Your question about the the pan and ice cube contains no mass and vector data. The size of the cube and the temperature of the pan would be necessary to estimate how long it would take to melt.

Can you even comprehend the difference?

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psik

And you still don't comprehend that it was the fire that brought the buildings down.

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