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Thursday, September 12, 2013

its 11-9 not the other ..closing the (transfer) window and thanks Shanks..updated SCLOG!

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Made brekkie for 6
CSers Visiting me in Pg, bit difficult as it was raining and couldn't eat on
the patio...oh oh.. btw NOTHING "significant" about today's date BTW,
just an excuse to feed the USA's war machine..13909

Yes women are often the
ones that form the "image" of other women..or mothers tell daughters
to "trap a man" ...or fashion "gurus"...and too poor little
fee-males, who blame everything on men, but i have a question.. of all history's
dictators they all had a mother? ..or a nanny..

so who had the biggest
influence on a dicitator or serial killers "formative years" ?when u point the finger , 3
point back at you? modern women jhave so many choices but...most dont know what
they want..and when u you have the answer, they change the question...ha ha ..https://www.facebook.com/groups/W.of.male.D/

Midway through the second half of the final game of the 2012-13
season, the Kop took a brief break from serenading the retiring Jamie
Carragher, and cries of 'Shankly, Shankly' rang from various sections of the
famous old stand. Four months short of what would have been the great man's 100th
birthday, and 32 years since his passing, this isn't such a rare occurrence;
you can hear 'the noise from the Bill Shankly boys' most weeks during the
season, home or away.

However, on this special occasion, like the slow, complete
rendition of 'You'll Never Walk Alone' shortly before the final whistle, this
was different. The words were sent drifting on the breeze from the back of the
Kop, rather than hurled towards the pitch in encouragement of players, or to
make ourselves heard. This was almost funereal.

Bill Shankly's achievements between joining a Second Division
LFC from Huddersfield Town in December 1959, through to his retirement in 1974
following his second FA Cup triumph, are well documented. The accounts of what he was like as a coach and a person, from
those who played with and under him, and from fans who followed him at the
time, are also plentiful. We know the quotes about the drawing of curtains and
anniversary trips to Rochdale reserves, of comparisons with life and death.

I am not qualified to give my version. I was born five years
after Shankly passed away, and more than a decade after he led the Reds to
their eighth First Division title, and his third and last since gaining
promotion in 1962. However, critically, what younger generations can represent is
current proof that his legacy is as strong and as enduring as ever, and that
while we may take occasional trips down memory lane, we are also celebrating
what we are today, whatever the result on the pitch.

The sequence of names - Shankly, Paisley, Fagan, Dalglish - and
their achievements at Anfield, will always stand the test of time, immortalised
in iron gates, sculpture and song, and listed in a roll of honours that few
clubs can compete with.

It's when you dig a little deeper that you come to a full
understanding of what sets apart Liverpudlians' relationship with these men
from how fans of other clubs view their most successful managers. It all
started with William Shankly OBE, of Glenbuck, Scotland. Shanks' arrival would come to symbolise the moment Liverpool
fans stopped merely admiring their managers, and began worshipping them. As the
years went by and trophies rolled in, this became less about coaching decisions
such as replacing Brian Hall with John Toshack in a rescheduled UEFA Cup final,
but about representing something far more important and transcendent than a
proficient leader of a football team.

Reds hung from his every word, just as they hung from lampposts
and scaffolding in attempts to get a glimpse of him when the cup final winners
returned in '65. Going to Anfield on a Saturday was no longer just an escape
from the reality of working-class weeks, but a pilgrimage.

At a time when players truly were the on-pitch representatives
of fans, Liverpool's manager was the unanimously elected leader of a people's
republic. It wasn't his ability to inspire three points that mattered so much
as the way this man from a small mining town with a population of 700 carried
the hopes and dreams of a city of thousands, defiant and resilient against the
threat of industrial and economic decline within the shadow of the capital,
spreading their message country-wide and eventually around Europe.

When thinking of the standing Shanks had among the people, one
of the most powerful images comes from that famous clip of a local reporter
breaking news to passers-by that Shankly had handed in his resignation in 1974.
One long-haired lad, no older than 14, looks authentically shell-shocked, and
not in the way someone might be concerned and contemplating how a team would
replace a winning manager.

This was the genuine despair of a boy who felt lost without his
leader. "Who said...?" were the only words the kid could manage
before staring vacantly into space. His silence spoke for the red half of the
city. Ian Callaghan, a revelation under Shankly and the man whose appearance
record for the club will never be broken, said the city was 'in mourning' and
recalled how it was hard to picture the club continuing. Thankfully, things
turned out alright in the end.

In 2015, it will be a full 50 years since Shankly returned to
Liverpool with his team along with our first-ever FA Cup, marking a day he
would always insist was the greatest of them all. The fresh, first-hand accounts may grow few and far between, but
the Scot's legacy must continue, not merely with his name on the gates, but
immersed within the culture of our club and its support. As the fan base
becomes increasingly global, those of us who remain as attracted to where we
are from as to where we are going, must take responsibility to ensure the
legend lives on.

If Bill Shankly epitomises all that
is great about Liverpool Football Club, then Ian Callaghan can't be far behind.

It's 10.45am on Sunday, September 1,
and the back-streets that cluster around Anfield are teeming with red. Shuffling through the middle of an
immense slipstream of bodies is Cally, hands wedged firmly in the pockets of
his trench-coat, collar pulled up high to shield his chin from the breeze. Head down, his only focus is on
keeping his feet in sync with the thousands of others that are slowly pacing
towards the entrances to the main stand ahead. Out of nowhere, someone recognises
his trademark smile, zig-zags past the oncoming traffic and says: "Cally,
sorry to bother you, mate. You couldn't give us your signature there, could
you? Thanks Ian, you were me old man's favourite of them all."

It's no problem at all - it never is.
Cally could stop to sign a thousand more signatures before getting into the
ground, where we'll watch his beloved Liverpool beat Manchester United 1-0 a
day before what would have been Shankly's 100th birthday.

Each person would be greeted the
same; with a beaming smile and a warm shake of the hand. There's no two ways
about that. That sort of modesty and humility is unequivocal. It can't be
turned on and off with a switch, because it's genuine. Its why, even after chalking up a
phenomenal 857 appearances in a red shirt, Cally is quite often the quietest
person in the room, and when he does talk in his gentle Scouse tones, his
friendly way and modest words are humbling. It's why we almost walked straight
past him at Anfield's Boot Room cafe earlier this week; because he was sat in
the corner, sipping a cup of coffee, minding his own business as he very often
does.

We were there to interview him about
Shankly, the man who signed Cally as an apprentice and who took him under his
wing for 14 years. and when the interview is in full
swing, Cally doesn't have to think on his feet for a new anecdote or quirk, he
just tells us like it is, as though he's telling a friend in a pub what made
the Scot so special: "He lovedpeople.

"He'd spend a lot of time with
thepeople, talking to
them and signing autographs. He was apeople'sguy.

"He fell in love with the
Liverpoolpeopleand they instantly fell in love with him because he made
promises and he kept them."

Shankly knew of the Liverpool people
before he took up the job as manager in December 1959. Prior to the Second
World War, the Scot travelled there for a nose operation - and he made a
handful of trips to Anfield itself to watch boxing matches. He cheered as Peter Kane fought Jimmy
Warnock and Ernie Roderick boxed the great Henry Armstrong, but there was no
sign of Billy Liddell or Ronnie Moran. His early experiences of Liverpool
taught Shankly that the place was like the great, bustling Scottish cities and
the people were like Scottish people. And this to Shankly was a good thing.

But on the terraces of Anfield, which
had stood in place since 1892, when Everton played in front of what would go on
to be christened the Spion Kop, there was something amiss, something not quite
right. "At that time, for a city the
size of Liverpool and considering the potential support, the situation was
appalling," Shankly wrote in his autobiography My Story. "The
dyed-in-the-wool supporters were just hoping a miracle would happen and they
would have something to cheer about.

"People on the Kop were shouting
and bawling, but not with the same unity or humour or arrogance that made them
famous later.

"Everton were in the First
Division, of course, and I went to Anfield to see a Liverpool Senior Cup game.
Bobby Collins turned Liverpool inside out, Everton dusted them up, and the
atmosphere was awful. The mockery was embarrassing. It was pathetic. But, deep
down there was something." Phil Taylor had been Liverpool's
manager prior to Shankly. He was a gentleman, who had earned the respect of his
players. But, as Liverpool historian Stephen Done explains, he was probably too
much of a gentleman.

"Taylor was a decent man, he was
an honest man and he was hard-working, but because he was so typically a
gentlemen, if the board told him how it would be done, he probably would have
said, 'Yes sir, absolutely'. "So he couldn't really change an
awful lot. He didn't have that kind of personality where he was going to put
people's backs up, he wasn't going to tread on people's toes.

"It doesn't mean to say that he
didn't have the desire to win - I think he did, but he just didn't have that
aggression. The fans weren't against him and they could recognise he was a
decent guy, because at the end of the day, the fans didn't have an awful lot to
cheer. "Shankly arrives and he can spot
quite early on that there is this amazing, potentially highly-vocal and
animated bunch of people, who all pile into Anfield every other week without
fail to support the side.

"The numbers didn't drop during
the wilderness years. The people still came. They were loyal, but they needed
something to give them a lift. And I think it says everything that he
understood that once you have the fans on side, everything else will follow.

"Shankly knew that if the fans
loved him and the team, they would support them throughout. But while anyone
can do the standing on the side of the pitch and blow the kisses to the crowd
while holding the badge, Shankly was genuine." In the years that followed Shankly's
retirement in 1974, that genuineness soon became apparent as letters penned by
the great man to fans slowly began to surface.

"These were letters that would
never go on the internet, that weren't going to be read by anybody else, but
were just going to sit in someone's wallet for the whole of their lives and be
treasured - that's genuine," said Stephen. "And his letters are
astounding. "The whole time he talks about
'You' the person he's writing to, and he's saying: 'You are so important,' and
'what you say means so much to me'. Shanks would write: 'I'm humbled by what
you said'. And you know he means it."

This is the honesty Cally touched on
in our interview with him and this is the decency that meant so many Kopites
took Shankly into their hearts. He was a staunch socialist, but he
wasn't party-political or driven by dogma. His socialism was instinctive and
its reflected in the bond he forged with the fans.

Socialism seeped into his soul due to
the upbringing he had as part of a big family in a Scottish, west-coast
pit-town. It was of his essence. It defined how he treated everyone, especially
the Liverpool fans who paid their every penny to watch his side play at
weekends. To Shankly, the fans weren't the most
important people at the club, they were theonlypeople.

"Nowadays, terms like
'socialist' and such might sound a little bit tired for the younger
generations," said Done. "But in Shankly's day, it was really clear
that when you identified yourself as a socialist, you cared about people and
you cared about society.

"He made a famous quote in which
he explained about the importance of everyone working together and helping each
other.

"He believed that about the
supporters, about the team and about the whole club in general. You all have to
help each other and work together. You all stick together, something good will
come out the other side."

Silver-plated vans with blacked-out windows ghosted in and out,
while behind closed doors contracts were signed, interviews executed, shirts
held and photos snapped.

News presenters stationed at the gates were mobbed in the midst
of delivering bulletins as Sky Sports News went into overdrive, its flashing
tickers and excitable hosts ramping up the coverage to a whole new level.

A record amount of money was exchanged and fans found all they
needed to know about their new heroes at the click of a button on websites,
forums and Twitter. It was a scenario that contrasted starkly with the one met by
Sammy Reid in February 1960, when he reported to Melwood to become Bill
Shankly's first signing as Liverpool manager.

Shankly was just two months into his reign as Reds boss when he
moved to snap up the Motherwell youngster for £8,000. He'd been to Melwood andjudged it dilapidated, seen the players train in
Anfield's main stand car park andvowed to change it. Now he was faced with
revolutionising the team. Days after he was installed as boss, Shankly was at Anfield to
watch from the stands as his new side, picked by the board of directors, were
disposed of by Cardiff 4-0 in front of a deflated home crowd.

"After the match, I knew that the team as a whole was not
good enough," said Shankly. "Within a month I wrote down 24 names
that I thought should go and they went inside a year."

Ageing icon Billy Liddell played one game before bidding farewell
to the Kop, and at the end of Shankly's first season, six players were granted
free transfers. The Scot knew exactly the type of player who would help reignite
Liverpool. And his first port of call was Denis Law, who he knew inside out
from their time at Huddersfield.

Law, who went on to become a Manchester United legend, might
have helped kick-start the Anfield dynasty had the board not turned down
Shankly's request to try and sign him. As it was, in March 1960, Law signed for
Manchester City for a British record fee of £65,000.

Shankly turned his focus to Jack Charlton, Bobby's brother, but
was unable to prise the centre-half away from relegation-threatened Leeds. So instead, Motherwell's Sammy Reid became his first signing as
Liverpool boss - but take a quick glance through the history books and you'll
find no mention of Reid's name. Shankly's first signing didn't play a single
game for the club and he departed shortly after.

The arrival of Kevin Lewis, Gordon Milne and Alf Arrowsmith more
than made up for the failure of Shankly's initial foray into the transfer
market as Reds boss. Then, on a Sunday morning in 1961, Shankly unfurled his
favourite newspaper, theDaily Post, to be
greeted by the headline: 'St John Wants to Go'. Ian St John had given all the indications he wanted to depart
Motherwell, and Shankly, who had monitored the burly striker's progress from
afar for three years, sprung into action.

"I was on the phone straight away and we were in Motherwell
on Monday night," wrote Shankly in his autobiography My Story. "I said to Mr Eric Sawyer, a director at Liverpool, 'he's
not just a good centre-forward - he's the only centre-forward in the game'. We
arranged the fee of £37,500 on the Monday night and signed St John the next
day." Four months later, in July 1961, he added the colossal Ron Yeats
to the side and along with the Saint, the pair acted as catalysts to the Scot's
first great Liverpool team.

Shankly had been searching for bedrocks and a spine for his side
and he identified it in the steely Scottish duo, who had both the character and
the necessary skill.

Add in to that the players Shankly had developing around the
edges, the likes of Ian Callaghan, Tommy Smith and Roger Hunt, and it's little
wonder they walked to promotion from the second division in 1962.

Two years later, in 1964, they were league champions.

This was a time when the great Tottenham team of the early 1960s
was in full swing and Manchester United, with the likes of George Best, Bobby
Charlton and Law, were the team of individuals, who enthralled the nation.

But they couldn't match the ethic Shankly instilled in his side;
that of all of one and one for all.

His was a hard team to beat and they played good, quick
football. They had talented players, but they were so subsumed to the identity
of Shankly that they were more of a collective unit.

In 1965, they won the FA Cup for the first time in Liverpool's
history. In the very same year, they could have very easily have been the first
British team to win the European Cup, but for a second leg from hell against
Italian giants Inter Milan in the semi-finals.

A year later, Shankly's first great team won the first division
title by finishing six points clear of Leeds United; however, it was to be
their last trophy win for seven years.

Why? Shankly admitted afterwards that it was in a large part
down to his own decision not to replace and reinvigorate his side, out of
loyalty to the players who had served him so staunchly.

He looked away out of dedication to his team.

"I thought some of them would have gone on longer than they
did," he admitted. "They had won the league, the FA Cup and the
league again.

"I would think about the players we had and I could see
that some of them were going a bit."

Shankly tinkered around the edges, but to no avail - and it took
until 1970, the Reds by then three years trophy-less, until he realised his
great team needed to be dismantled and rebuilt. Liverpool were languishing lower down the table and Shankly knew
he needed a whole new blooding process. The real turning point came in February 1970, when Barry
Endean's 63rd minute winner sealed a humiliating 1-0 win for Watford over the
Reds in the sixth-round of the FA Cup at Vicarage Road.

"The breaking-up process began there," explained
Shankly. "After Watford I knew I had to do my job and change the team. I
had a duty to perform to myself, my family, Liverpool football Club and the
supporters."

Gerry Byrne was forced to end his career through injury, while
the likes of St John, Hunt, Yeats and Tommy Lawrence were left out of the side.

They were replaced by the likes of Alec Lindsay, Steve Heighway,
John Toshack and Brian Hall, who joined a team that had already added Emlyn
Hughes and Ray Clemence in the previous seasons. But there was one key ingredient left that was necessary to
breathe life into the great man's second side - and in May 1971 it arrived in
the form of Kevin Keegan.

In Shankly's words: "He was thrown into the fire and he
ignited the new team. He brought it to life with awareness and skill. He was
the inspiration of the new team."

The new team won the UEFA Cup in 1973 - Liverpool's first
European trophy - and the FA Cup the following year in what would be Shankly's
final competitive game.

Paisley would take them on to unprecedented success. And while
he prospered from Shankly's guidance and the foundations he laid, in terms of
the team, Liverpool also learned a crucial tool in ensuring their domination
went unchallenged.

That being - you replace players just as they are about to reach
their peak. You do it one after another and you are always looking and ready to
replace. You bring younger players through and you constantly change the team.

That way you don't notice the seamless transition; you don't see
the joins - and you reap the rewards on the field.

I
am honouring the legacy of Shanks, a TRUE MAN OF THE people , he hated
parasites & hypocrites, such as the BBC (now a poodle of USA sponsorship)
.. "Russia & China hindering progress in Syria.."
"progress" what the "progress" of USA interference, worldwide,
backing dictators in S.America, viet nam fiasco, the million + casualties since
baghdad invasion, and afghan failures, ignoring rwanda and scared of N.korea..
yeah, good old John Wayne & co.. no oBOMBa wnats to justify the trilions of
military dollars by getting into it,(but wont "share" the
"evidence" ( like 10 years ago?) this could lead to a global civil
war, and the sheeple look on (or dont,...) there is no end to stupidity...and
the slavery to capitalism

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1.THE MAN... no one greater in
the history of modern society , NO ONE! the TRUE man of the people, children
should read his auto biography before they learn anything else,! shakespeare
socrates and all the other "writers" ??? this man DID it... he
created a global family bigger than most nations on this planet!! =============

Vincent van der HeemHe changed our perspective of the
universe. He was in the list for the diversity.

Chris >he changed some peoples perspective, but
would also admit that its a mystery.. whilst billions still followed religious
rules,during his lifetime, and the world is hardly a place of an intelligent
society..so he failed?

Vincent van der HeemNot to
sure what point you're trying to make with the flyer or the intelligent design
comment, but Einstein's contribution doesnt rely on perspective (wether succes,
failure or otherwise). That's the beauty of it. He changed our scientific
understanding of the universe immensely and Single-handedly. He is known by
95%+ of the worlds populations and his ideas are in the basis of many
technological breakthroughs. Feats Shankly can't boast off.

Chris >a) Shanks dont boast, we do! b) i stated
none were greater, c) "greatness" depends on the calculation d)
personally i think science is a joke.. e) 95% ? including the natives who dont
have internet>?now who
is ezagerating>> f) he may have changed students
"understanding" but those of us who ask the question "explain
infinity" or "what made the big bang , bang" can be answered by
your "intellectuals" .. how many peoples lives were made happier or
more social by einstein, his best contribution was his sense of humour and if
he were alive he would be laughing at you...because he said,,,that the
generation that depends on technology will be.... stupid!

p.s. the "intelligent " comment,
because most of your "educated students" are filled with knowledge,
but not APPLICATION, or with the compassion to care...!

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Vincent
van der HeemThe 95%
maybe a few % off, it was merely to demonstrate the difference with the amount
of people who know Shankly (maybe 1-5%). You think science is a joke? I don't
think you can make a claim that's more baseless (although you're trying with
your opening post). You're basically saying "I think that what has been
proven to be true isn't true". Might as well add 2 plus 2 and get waffles
as a result.

Chris >well science still hasnt explained the
"universe mysery" and u quote einstein who agree s with me , ... and
its not about how people who know a great man, after all that would make adolf
the greatest, u have missed the point because u think like an engineer ...

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Vincent
van der HeemThere
is no definitive explanation for the what happened before the big bang and/or
what is the meaning of life (I think that's what you mean with "universe
mystery"). The first is a moot question (as well as "explain
infinity" which you mentioned earlier). The second everyone can answer it
for themselves. Both have no bearing on your opening post. Also, Einstein
doesn't agree with you. You cherry picked a quote from him. Case in point,
Shankly hasn't explained the "universe mystery" either.

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Chris > how do u know? who havent researched Shanks, have you? again u missed the point, u avoid the
essence of what makes someone great ... i suggst there is none greater, u have
made no case to suggest Einstein was "greater" just stating (wrongly)
that 95% of people know what hes about , u offer a technical definition ,
science contradicts its self regularly, .. u "cherry pick" your
irrelevant "facts" in order to oppose my statement. with what aim,
??? to win something, to make yourself important ? there is a statue of Shanks
in Liverpool with the words "he made the people happy" many people
have been made happier by Shanks.. and he virtually evolutionised football,
many of the worlds trainers & coaches went to spy on his methods .. aND the
irony is , he was simple and honest , it was said when 3 of the greatest managers
of that time ; Shanks, Stein & Busby got together , a 5 year old child
could understand, u obviously think that someone calculating long equations
will impress an ordinary child or adult.? will it make their life better, and I
still claim that Einstein would laugh at you, ...too!

Vincent van der HeemIf you
want to know why I responded, fair enough. Your claim that Shankley is the
greatest man in recent history (in your words "THE MAN... no one greater
in the history of modern society, NO MAN") is so obviously, completely
false that I was wonderingif you were serious. His influence is big in football, but
football is just football. I'll admit, it has all the hallmarks of a religion
and the influence to come along with it, but in comparison to health (Ian
Flemming, discovered penicilin, likely prevented millions if not hundreds of
millions of deaths), racial inequality (Martin Luther King, your comment that
he had a movement behind him doesn't lesser his contribution, or greatness, at
all. No more then people supporting Shankley lesser' his) or science (it's the
difference between the darkages, or before, and current times. I prefer current
times, this feeling I get when I drink beer after a game of soccer wasn't there
then. Mostly because you spent the whole week in some field, breaking your
back). These things DO make peoples lives better and I can list dozens of
people that made greater, better and more lasting impact then Shankley.
Football is just entertainment with a touch of religion. If you would have been
born anywhere not in the neighberhood of liverpool you wouldn't have felt this
way. Even if you were born in Liverpool odds are 60-40 you would agree. I 'm
betting Everton fan's don't agree with you. Shankley is a great man, but you
went completely overboard with your claim. So to summarize, I got pulled in by
your obviously, completely over the top, false claim. Stop the preaching, who
are you trying to convince? In fact, how many people have you convinced of
this? How long has it been since you considered, seeing as noone is buying your
message, that YOU may be wrong? And of course there are all those people who
don't have football as their central focus of their life, but hey, what do they
know?

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Chris > exactly ! what do they know! :)...i just put
up a family tent in my garden , in my community of 1 that makes me greatest, u
see u are such a "german" in yr thinking... u cant "evaluate"
greatness... i am waking up people who now , like the modern fickle fannies who
just see transfer fees have no feeling, care or loyaty they change clubs &
shirts , and play video games and have no imagination just follow the rules of
games ..the average human being is using less and less of 5 % of his or her
natural abiltiies, Shanks brought out the best in people his effect reached
EVERYONE who plays or watches footy, if u dont think that is massive , then
just watch what happens to communities or nations that win trophies...even the
economy improves its the game & CULTURE of the people.. much more than
anything else, except maybe war (which yr buddies in the USA like to
escalate... when all the technology fails a boy (or girl) will still be able to
kick a ball and team to be in a team.. a community.. u go to university you get
degrees u get a job, but u know so little!

p,.s, just like the media u twist words, I
didnt say he was THE greatest, i said there is none greater in MODERN society..
(btw inventing penicilin, because we discarded celtic remedies .....is
debatable "greatness!. for all i know Ian Fleming only wrote James Bond
books ..ha ha ha..)

Vincent
van der HeemDon't
backpaddle. You claimed, in no uncertain terms, that Shankly was the greatest
(read it again if you need to, you are literally screaming it). If you can't
evaluate greatness you should not have made your claim. I did not twist your
words.

Chris > watch out little boy,this; " THE MAN... no one
greater in the history of modern society , NO ONE! the TRUE man of the people,
children should read his auto biography before they learn anything else,! shakespeare
socrates and all the other "writers" ??? this man DID it... he
created a global family bigger than most nations on this planet!!" .YOU
KEEP MISSING the point, and its u that "back paddles" to compare
incomparabes in order to promote your "intellect" ... ah scientists ,
engineers & tecnicians.. where would we be with out YOU? , in heaven
perhaps? ;)

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Vincent van der HeemIf they
are incomparable, then why do you make the claim that Shankly is the greatest?
By definition, it's impossible to make the claim (the subjective
"greater" can not be made without a comparison). And to be precise,
if I remember correctly you would be dead if it wasn't for scientists,
engineers and technicians. Anyone who ever needed medicine or a doctor would
be. So depending on your worldview, yes, you would be in heaven.·

Chris>ha ha ha... u KEEP, just like a politician
or robot, ignoring my point..read my words, u may know my language but u dont
understand its MEANING.. the world existed before technicians scientists &
engineers.. people were healed naturally, u are so limited in your modern education
to what the fools want u to learn, and u follow the rules like sheep chained to
school university and career like robots all your life... there were natural
remedies .. I probably would not have needed one of your "doctors"
had we not filled the world with concrate and metal.. and billions of sheeple
that . like you, have no mind of their own.. YOU can "compare" and i
will be aware! i feel realyl sorry for you, like the "borg" you are
"assimilated"..by thje way, Everton
invited Shanks to their ground AND all blues i spoke to, respected him, u
really are an ignorant and disrespectful young boy

Vincent van der HeemNothing to do with respect. This has to do with rationality. There is a large difference between respecting a man and thinking he's the greatest man in current history. You are unrational, which is funny for a person constantly claiming that the world is unintelligent.

Chris >"rational" ? thats the problem, u dont have any way of appreciating anything unless its "pragmatic" .u bang on with the same "arguement" and STILL miss the point .. what u and yr buddies consider "great" is not what i consider great, to give all one has to others and make somethign happen... is great, but its not necesarry for the "masses" to be persuaded to acknowledge Shanks greatness for him to be great...u obviosuly havent even read his autobiography?...yr comments are full of disrespect for Shanks, (u even mis-spelt his name) and myself.. u tag "intellect" & inmtelligent with "qualifications" that ppl award to those who fit the system... what is funny that u dont see yourself as "Borg" ... u refer to various Heroes... and yet whilst we probably agree that Mandela is "famous" for his efforts, Steve Biko was (v apartheid) "as great or greater" IMO... if this was tennis u would have lost all sets... ,,so now, go and play with your toys,,, u are boring me!.....what
a load of B***S ..So Mignolet loose kicking is better than Pepe’s pin point
distribution ???? , my good ness the “F S G propaganda machine” has blinded so
many fannies.. keeping possesion is a way of defence that BR kept spouting all
last season.. u contradict your praise of the novice..

BR
is defensively naive, we won sunday because Skrtel is better than Kolo, hendo
pressed, SG was fired up, Lucas back to form of 2 years ago..(had he not got
inured Kenny would still be employed btw!)

BR
is a decent attacking coach, to early to say more..not what i call “manager”
and …. he hasnt won a thing..yet!.. his advantage will be if dAgger, &
Skrtel gel again, Lucas is back to his pre-injury form, and Hendo is much
better than “teachers pet” (Allen),

the
midfield of Lucas, Hendo, SG and Coutinho has a good balance, if Studge and the
key players all stay fit and another season of Luis scoring , we could win
something,

..
but BR is naive in certain defensive tactics, had the necessary “luck” of a pen
save in the first game when Mignolet was shaky, and Villa deserved a draw
against us.. but everyone needs some luck.. so.. I’ll give him the benefit, ..
t

he
transfers dont impress me.. Pepe didnt need replacing, Skrtel is better and a
lot younger than Kolo, the others are “squad players” 14 players have gone (inc
Pepe and Suso, who i rate..)

Borini
was as big an error as Allen , but Studge and Coutinho could become top players
(if they avoid injury, … both will be “targeted” by opponent “heaies” ..still
lets enjoy being top, and hope …

The
“senior” players are motivated; dAgger, Glen, Stevie, Lucas and Luis, are the
ones “putiing it about” & that will make us trophy winners, not BR, we
could hardly keep the ball @ Villa or against the Mancs

they
have the “fighting spirit” … and the lads have followed their lead, its “FA” to
do with BR!

tell
the truth for once!

1.TonyBarretTimes3h > I'm going to launch a commission to look into my failings as a
human being. The commission will be headed by me.

@TonyBarretTimes@RedAlieNeT co-incedentally, was just
advised by the "legal ombudsman" that to appeal against HIM, HIS team
will decide ;)

And now for something completely (and very recently) written by
John Cleese.

ALERTS TO THREATS IN 2013 EUROPE

From JOHN CLEESE

The English are feeling the pinch in relation to recent events
in Syria and have therefore raised their security level from "Miffed"
to "Peeved." Soon, though, security levels may be raised yet again to
"Irritated" or even "A Bit Cross." The English have not
been "A Bit Cross" since the blitz in 1940 when tea supplies nearly
ran out. Terrorists have been re-categorized from "Tiresome" to
"A Bloody Nuisance." The last time the British issued a "Bloody
Nuisance" warning level was in 1588, when threatened by the Spanish
Armada.

The Scots have raised their threat level from "Pissed
Off" to "Let's get the Bastards." They don't have any other levels.
This is the reason they have been used on the front line of the British army
for the last 300 years.

The French government announced yesterday that it has raised its
terror alert level from "Run" to "Hide." The only two
higher levels in France are "Collaborate" and "Surrender."
The rise was precipitated by a recent fire that destroyed France 's white flag
factory, effectively paralyzing the country's military capability.

Italy has increased the alert level from "Shout Loudly and
Excitedly" to "Elaborate Military Posturing." Two more levels
remain: "Ineffective Combat Operations" and "Change Sides."

The Germans have increased their alert state from
"Disdainful Arrogance" to "Dress in Uniform and Sing Marching
Songs." They also have two higher levels: "Invade a Neighbour"
and "Lose."

Belgians, on the other hand, are all on holiday as usual; the
only threat they are worried about is NATO pulling out of Brussels ..

The Spanish are all excited to see their new submarines ready to
deploy. These beautifully designed subs have glass bottoms so the new Spanish
navy can get a really good look at the old Spanish navy.

Australia, meanwhile, has raised its security level from
"No worries" to "She'll be right, Mate." Two more
escalation levels remain: "Crikey! I think we'll need to cancel the barbie
this weekend!" and "The barbie is cancelled." So far no
situation has ever warranted use of the last final escalation level.

Regards,John CleeseBritish writer, actor, and tall person

And as a final thought - Greece is collapsing, the Iranians are
getting aggressive, and Rome is in disarray. Welcome back to 430 BC.

Life is too short...

CHAT:

Fabrizio
Stanzione > Richard Holloway on HARDtalk.
Brilliant. Ozil to Arsenal. Best signing of the transfer window. Would have
been great to add a defender and striker too....

S
Agudelo VelezGiroud
is currently doing the buisness and we still have Vermalean to come back,
things look good. Come onArsenal

Ugljesa BoljevicFinnaly Arsen(al) got someone who is above
22 years
Anyway, good signing, but i dont think its worth of 50 mil. That was in last minutes
of transfer window, so i believe Arsene got no much options. Probably it was
"take it or leave it".
Real did good job there. Bale cost them just 50 mil

Fabrizio StanzioneI
disagree. I think we have been after him for a while and he is worth 42
million. In Spain he was considered the best player after Messi, Ronaldo and
Iniesti. That has got to be worth 42 million. He is probably the best player in
the premier league

Chris > amazing really Fab, all the "transfer
hype" domiates media us beating last years champions was hardly mentioned!
... (btw Bale's monthly wages will cost Madrid enough - dont just look at
transfer fees!) and of course the "hardtalk" today was the ex french
premier opposing the USA "policemen" .(with NO evidence!) . Sacker playing
the "devils advocate" ........ its amazing how stupid people are...
the uSA used more chemicals against civilians than anyone, (e.g. gulf war) and
wiped out hiroshima & nakasaki with something a bit worse ! that was
"justified" ..perhaps.. ? but the hypocrisy of repeating the mistakes
after the Baghdad invasion which has left over a million civilian casualties,
and the avoidance of involvement in rwanda or N. Korea?? its immense how stupid
people on this planet are, its modern "mob rule via internet" ... :0
the USA need war to justify TRILLIONS spent on weapons...

the world is almost too
ridiculous... even for Cleese!but...
sometimes its better to have a USA pressie who truly represents the powers
behind USA ("weapons are business & business = weapons") ... at
least with Bush ppl eventually realised he was an a**jhole, with
"oBOMBa" ppl were fooled into thinking he was different..

Liverpool

13903Natha> Brendan Rodgers!!! What a coach, what a manager, what a leader! A real man
who's serious about every little detail! No wonder each player is progressing at LFC right now! I have no idea what's wrong with Allen though lol

Rashed Rash
Yea he needs more brain....lol...He wanna play as a play maker , step in line
suarez and coutinho and Luis Alberto ahead of you

if he focused more to be DM he will be one of EPL best.... This transfer window we tried with too many players , good picks from Rodgers
scouts ...but the fact that we dont play in champions league chase them away !

ChriS SmiTH
hes a decent coach, to early to say more..not what i call "manager"
and .... he hasnt won a thing..yet!.. his advantage will be if dAgger, &
Skrtel gel again, Lucas is back to his pre-injury form, and Hendo is much
better than "teachers pet" (Allen), the midfield of Lucas, Hendo, SG
and Coutinho has a good balance, if Studge and the key players all stay fit and
another season of Luis scoring , we could win something,.. but BR is naive in
certain defensive tactics, had the necessary "luck" of a pen save in
the first game when Mignolet was shaky, and Villa deserved a draw against us..
but everyone needs some luck..

so.. I'll give him the benefit, .. the transfers
dont impress me.. Pepe didnt need replacing, Skrtel is better and a lot younger
than Kolo, the others are "squad players" 14 players have gone (inc
Pepe and Suso, who i rate..) Borini was as big an error as Allen , but Studge
and Coutinho could become top players (if they avoid injury, ... both will be
"targeted" by opponent "heavies" ..still lets enjoy being
top, and hope ...http://chrismithlog.blog
spot.com/2013/09/additional-update.html

THE MAN... no one greater in the history of modern society ,
NO ONE! the TRUE man of the people,
children should read his auto biography before they learn anything else,! shakespeare socrates and all the other
"writers" ??? this man DID it... he created a global family bigger than
most nations on this planet!! =============================

justice delayed IS Justice denied.....Jon Stoddart pledges his investigation into the deaths of the 96 will be fully accountable.

Statements given by fans who witnessed the full horror of the Hillsborough disaster could have been changed by police, a watchdog chief revealed.

Deborah Glass, deputy chair of the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC), said a number of supporters' accounts may have been altered.

She also revealed the watchdog had identified a further 19 statements from police officers on duty on the day that may have been changed.With 164 amended statements identified by the Hillsborough Independent Panel a year ago and 55 more found since by the IPCC, it means 238 police statements are now in question.

Current and former South Yorkshire police officers have also handed over 90 pocket notebooks - which have never before been examined - while the force has recently discovered "a number of boxes" containing notebooks and other documents.

The revelations came as Jon Stoddart, the man leading the criminal investigation into the events of April 15, 1989, said his team had also uncovered new information.

Speaking to the ECHO at his inquiry's Warrington headquarters, he said: "We have already identified a significant number of other people who require interviewing, and probably statementing.

"We are identifying people who we think have got something new to add to the inquiry, and will shed some light. And that's exactly what the families want, they want something new."

Discrepancies in the fans' statements are believed to have emerged when comparing handwritten accounts with typed versions prepared by West Midlands Police, which led the initial disaster investigation.

The West Midlands probe is set to come under intense scrutiny over the coming months, forming the basis for a witness appeal planned by the IPCC with the support of Liverpool FC.

Ms Glass said: "We want to hear people's experiences of that process.

"We have already had a number of people contact us with concerns that their statements were amended and we have no doubt there are others who have not contacted us: we want to be able to present as full as possible a picture of witness evidence both for the inquests and the criminal investigations."

Both the Stoddart investigation, codenamed Operation Resolve, and the IPCC were criticised yesterday by the Hillsborough Justice Campaign's Sheila Coleman.

She said: "We understand the enormity of the task before these bodies. Nevertheless, in spite of the generous funding by the Home Office, the last year seems to have been occupied by moving into premises and recruiting staff."

Ms Coleman added: "Of major concern to the families was the fact that the John Stoddart investigation team would be acting as investigating officers for the coroner, the DPP and the IPCC. This is too reminiscent of the role played by the West Midlands Police after the disaster."

Mr Stoddart said: "We need to get right into this. Obviously there has been an awful lot of work already done in the past. We have got over 300,000 documents that we have to go right the way through. This isn't being done in a conventional manner. Normally you would have a criminal inquiry first, and then a coroner's inquest after that but we are doing it the other way round.

"But we are not stopping the criminal investigation. The criminal investigation and the coronial priorities are pretty much the same.

"We are pushing on and working very closely with the coroner's team. We will be held to account by them.

"We know there is a very pressing timeframe, we've got to have most of this ready and prepared and served on the interested parties by March 31, and then it's going to be a significantly lengthy period after that before any decision is taken on a prosecution."

Vincent van der Heem Nothing to do with respect. This has to do with rationality. There is a large difference between respecting a man and thinking he's the greatest man in current history. You are unrational, which is funny for a person constantly claiming that the world is unintelligent.September 10 at 9:03am · Like

Chris East-west Invest Ursun "rational" ? thats the problem, u dont have any way of appreciating anything unless its "pragmatic" .u bang on with the same "arguement" and STILL miss the point .. what u and yr buddies consider "great" is not what i consider great, to give all one h...See MoreSeptember 11 at 4:40pm · Edited · Like

Vincent van der Heem You claim I "miss the point" without you having "made the point". At this point your entire argument is "you're missing the point" and "it's not rational" (with a claim of "family of 40 million" in there somewhere), but that's about it). Fine, I redirect you to your first post, the one this is about. There is NO nuance there. You yourself claim that it's about perception, but perception leaves room for interpretation. Your post does not. I quote "THE MAN... no one greater in the history of modern society , NO ONE! ". So don't bitch if you get called on it. This isn't about respect, it isn't even about Shankley, it's about your faulty claims. You can call me a borg (i'll not bother to comment on the rest of the empty claims), but you are blind priest of the church of Liverpool (or maybe your philosophy). If you were so right and this man is really the greatest, I would expect to see more people agreeing with you. The fact that this is not the case should give you cause to wonder. If this was tennis I would have lost no set, that you feel the need to sink down to personal attacks shows your lack of an arguement (and your methophorical tennis skills).September 11 at 6:11pm · Edited · Like

Vincent van der Heem And for you to talk about respect is hilarious. You are one of the people I've met in my life that is the most disrespectfull. You call it 'provocation' I believe. Lucky enough you are hypocritical enough not to realize it.September 11 at 6:13pm · Like

Chris East-west Invest Ursun nice that finally u have the "balls" to tell me what u REALLY think about me, u forgot i saw how u lived , in a rubbish tip , like a 5 year old.. , its "hypocritical" of YOU to pretend friendship , and take it upon youirself to decide if others should have contact with me.. ..but u aren't experienced enough to understand life at all , contact me when u grow up, kid ..if i am still on this planet , as i suggest it may take u a looong time! . ..btw, its not "bitching" when u DO CONTINUALLY miss the point ..perception isnt compraison, I appreciate u are communicating in my language, or rather the american version of it...but like so many people u know the words but dont understand the feeling or meaning .. i can only guide those who want to learn, and u actually think u dont need educating!! ha h aha thats IS funny, oh yes I "react" to your ignorant attack on a great man.. who cant defend his status ..and i am glad to do it.. c u next time... http://chrismithlog.blogspot.com/...Chris East-west Invest Ursun's photo.

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