Allow me to address your post on behalf of the pro-Putin, pro-Moscow dolts.

The image you posted is fake and photo-shopped. Crimean beaches are 100% full, tourism industry is better than ever-just ask Putin. You must be a Kyivian, American Nazi. Why do you hate Russians so much? You were happy and gleeful about the Odessa mass murder, weren't you. Stop trying to derail this thread. Get out you Hitlerite.

And it never failed that during the dry years the people forgot about the rich years, and during the wet years they lost all memory of the dry years. It was always that way. ~ John Steinbeck

“If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.” ~ J.R.R. Tolkien

What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or in the holy name of liberty or democracy? ~ Mahatma Gandhi

Allow me to address your post on behalf of the pro-Putin, pro-Moscow dolts.

The image you posted is fake and photo-shopped. Crimean beaches are 100% full, tourism industry is better than ever-just ask Putin. You must be a Kyivian, American Nazi. Why do you hate Russians so much? You were happy and gleeful about the Odessa mass murder, weren't you. Stop trying to derail this thread. Get out you Hitlerite.

@KyivPost: Russian leader's press secretary says it is time to hope for prolonged ceasefire in Ukraine [link to www.kyivpost.com]

Because, look how well that has been working so far.

And it never failed that during the dry years the people forgot about the rich years, and during the wet years they lost all memory of the dry years. It was always that way. ~ John Steinbeck

“If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.” ~ J.R.R. Tolkien

What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or in the holy name of liberty or democracy? ~ Mahatma Gandhi

And it never failed that during the dry years the people forgot about the rich years, and during the wet years they lost all memory of the dry years. It was always that way. ~ John Steinbeck

“If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.” ~ J.R.R. Tolkien

What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or in the holy name of liberty or democracy? ~ Mahatma Gandhi

"KneelB4Zod Is the most disgusting individual in the entire godlike community. He's clearly a racist based on the words he uses to describe African Americans and those he seems inferior, hes a communist to the core, a huge biggot, and just an all around disgusting individual. Keep your communist propaganda away from this site. GLP was a much better place before you scum showed up with your disgusting hardcore pro Russian, hardcore pro Putin, communist threads and views. It's people like you that are ruining this one great forum." AC 65280895

"Just would like to leave this here for any moderators from GLP to see it. I was banned there again, for no particular reason other than disagreeing with the establishment in the Ukraine thread (now I am banned in posting in GLP entirely).The real issue was that the pro-Russian shills have firmly established themselves in the Ukraine thread, and anyone who disagrees will be attacked immediately, so Luisport deals with the problem by banning anyone who disagrees with the Russian shills, thinking that will fix the problem. Now the only people left in the thread are PAID Russian shills (KneelB4Zod). Great job." Blueyez:, GMG

Again, you do not get it. It is not \"at Russia\'s gates\", it is in the sovereign state of Ukraine, Russia has no business in the internal affairs of Ukraine, simply because it\'s neighbouring Russia.

How do you think any country in the world would react if their minorities, who don\'t even have any claim to the land they live on (Most of them were imported there during the Soviet relocation programs), would start becoming separatists? And especially if these \"separatists\" goal is to annexed by another country?

No country in the world would tolerate this. If the Russians living in Ukraine want to be part of Russia, then they can simply relocate themselves there.

Not to even mention how hypocritical it is by Russia, considering Chechnya.

Quoting: Skizzy

Oh come on! Historically the Ukraine\'s been Russian/Polish stuff. Deal with it. There is no such thing as Ukrainian nation. Eastern Ukraine\'s been Russian for centuries. And the fact CIA-sponsored thugs started their rampage there was simply dangerous for Russia. It is gate to Russia: historically, geographically, ethnically

How would I react? Strangely enough the legal president, Mr. Yanukovich did not need to react as there was no issue. Once Maidan hooligans started their rampage, the state de facto ceased to exist. I know it may seem an innovation for you, but the continuity of legal government is not secured by a band of thugs on streets.

And those thugs\' favorites proclaimed their selves to be new government. Elections? No one cares because it is a revolution (yay!).And if you do it, you have to take into account some people/regions will simply consider themselves dismissed from such state. In case of the Ukraine there was a huge risk of it (aforementioned ethnic and historical division accompanied by no true national identity).

Now will tell you what the west would do/does:

Kosovo.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59626756

I am not trying to defend the western governments in anything. When will you get it, FFS.

Also, Poroshenko was elected...

And there is no such thing as Ukrainian nation? Ukraine is OLDER than Russia, and Ukrainians are ethnically more pure than Russians. Russians are mixed with Slavs, Finno-ugrics, Tatars, Mongoloids, Caucasians, etc... Kievan Rus\' is the parent culture of Russia. Pure Eastern-Slavs descend from the area which is mostly modern day Ukraine. Russia is considered a Slavonic nation at its core, however HISTORICALLY Slavs do not have any claim to most of modern day Russia, historically it belongs to Finno-ugric, Mongoloid, Tatar, and other Central Asian tribes.

So you could say that Ukraine is actually the father of Russia, And Russia is Ukraine\'s bastard child.

Quoting: Skizzy

You are talking bullshit. 1) In what sense is Ukraine older than Russia? Please elaborate. 2) What makes you think that Ukrainians are ethnically more \"pure\"? What is the definition of purity? Yes there are some Finno-Ugric tribes that contributed to Russian genes pool, so did Tatars to a lesser extent, and hardly at all Mongoloids or Caucasians (from Caucasus, if you mean that). But Ukrainians mixed with Tatars, Kipchaks, Circassians, Jews, Poles, and after that most notably with Russians, perhaps to the extent that makes them indistinguishable from Russians. 3)HISTORICALLY, long before the Central Asian tribes, the territory of the Ukraine belonged to Scythians and Sarmatians, and even earlier - to Cimmerians, and some time ago the entire Europe belonged to Neanderthal hominids, and in the Jurassic period dinasaurs occupied the entire planet. Do you see my point?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24376125

1) In the sense that Kiev region is where Eastern-Slavs originate from as far as its known.

2) I mean the ethnic composition of Ukraine is certainly purer than Russia, and they are more pure Slavs than Russians because they don't have so much Finno-Ugric and other influence in their gene pool. Even so, they are far from the purity of Poles or Czechs, etc.

3) And I wen't down the history lane as a retort to the last guy, personally I think history does not matter in modern day geopolitics. But since it is often brought up here that "Eastern Ukraine is historically Russian land blah blah blah", then I just point out that historically there is no such thing as Russian land.

Oh come on! Historically the Ukraine\'s been Russian/Polish stuff. Deal with it. There is no such thing as Ukrainian nation. Eastern Ukraine\'s been Russian for centuries. And the fact CIA-sponsored thugs started their rampage there was simply dangerous for Russia. It is gate to Russia: historically, geographically, ethnically

How would I react? Strangely enough the legal president, Mr. Yanukovich did not need to react as there was no issue. Once Maidan hooligans started their rampage, the state de facto ceased to exist. I know it may seem an innovation for you, but the continuity of legal government is not secured by a band of thugs on streets.

And those thugs\' favorites proclaimed their selves to be new government. Elections? No one cares because it is a revolution (yay!).And if you do it, you have to take into account some people/regions will simply consider themselves dismissed from such state. In case of the Ukraine there was a huge risk of it (aforementioned ethnic and historical division accompanied by no true national identity).

Now will tell you what the west would do/does:

Kosovo.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59626756

I am not trying to defend the western governments in anything. When will you get it, FFS.

Also, Poroshenko was elected...

And there is no such thing as Ukrainian nation? Ukraine is OLDER than Russia, and Ukrainians are ethnically more pure than Russians. Russians are mixed with Slavs, Finno-ugrics, Tatars, Mongoloids, Caucasians, etc... Kievan Rus\' is the parent culture of Russia. Pure Eastern-Slavs descend from the area which is mostly modern day Ukraine. Russia is considered a Slavonic nation at its core, however HISTORICALLY Slavs do not have any claim to most of modern day Russia, historically it belongs to Finno-ugric, Mongoloid, Tatar, and other Central Asian tribes.

So you could say that Ukraine is actually the father of Russia, And Russia is Ukraine\'s bastard child.

Quoting: Skizzy

You are talking bullshit. 1) In what sense is Ukraine older than Russia? Please elaborate. 2) What makes you think that Ukrainians are ethnically more \"pure\"? What is the definition of purity? Yes there are some Finno-Ugric tribes that contributed to Russian genes pool, so did Tatars to a lesser extent, and hardly at all Mongoloids or Caucasians (from Caucasus, if you mean that). But Ukrainians mixed with Tatars, Kipchaks, Circassians, Jews, Poles, and after that most notably with Russians, perhaps to the extent that makes them indistinguishable from Russians. 3)HISTORICALLY, long before the Central Asian tribes, the territory of the Ukraine belonged to Scythians and Sarmatians, and even earlier - to Cimmerians, and some time ago the entire Europe belonged to Neanderthal hominids, and in the Jurassic period dinasaurs occupied the entire planet. Do you see my point?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24376125

1) In the sense that Kiev region is where Eastern-Slavs originate from as far as its known.

2) I mean the ethnic composition of Ukraine is certainly purer than Russia, and they are more pure Slavs than Russians because they don't have so much Finno-Ugric and other influence in their gene pool. Even so, they are far from the purity of Poles or Czechs, etc.

3) And I wen't down the history lane as a retort to the last guy, personally I think history does not matter in modern day geopolitics. But since it is often brought up here that "Eastern Ukraine is historically Russian land blah blah blah", then I just point out that historically there is no such thing as Russian land.

Skizzy. Anybody can be Russian. Read Dostoevsky, has polish origin, but he is Russian writer. Russian is special state of mind and spirit. it is not nation. That is source of misconception. Russia is last spiritual homeland of true orthodoxy. That will answer all your questions. Pushkin was half black so what greatest Russian poet.

Skizzy. Anybody can be Russian. Read Dostoevsky, has polish origin, but he is Russian writer. Russian is special state of mind and spirit. it is not nation. That is source of misconception. Russia is last spiritual homeland of true orthodoxy. That will answer all your questions. Pushkin was half black so what greatest Russian poet.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58057699

Half black? He had a black great-grandfather. That makes him only 12.5% black.

Skizzy. Anybody can be Russian. Read Dostoevsky, has polish origin, but he is Russian writer. Russian is special state of mind and spirit. it is not nation. That is source of misconception. Russia is last spiritual homeland of true orthodoxy. That will answer all your questions. Pushkin was half black so what greatest Russian poet.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58057699

Half black? He had a black great-grandfather. That makes him only 12.5% black.

Why does your flag switch between Czech and Denmark? Are you using a proxy IP for your Russian shilling?

Quoting: Skizzy

Has been explained already. When I write from my office my flag is switched to Denmark because our servers, web services etc. are situated there. Physically is my office in Czech Republic, a few hundred meters from my home.

"KneelB4Zod Is the most disgusting individual in the entire godlike community. He's clearly a racist based on the words he uses to describe African Americans and those he seems inferior, hes a communist to the core, a huge biggot, and just an all around disgusting individual. Keep your communist propaganda away from this site. GLP was a much better place before you scum showed up with your disgusting hardcore pro Russian, hardcore pro Putin, communist threads and views. It's people like you that are ruining this one great forum." AC 65280895

"Just would like to leave this here for any moderators from GLP to see it. I was banned there again, for no particular reason other than disagreeing with the establishment in the Ukraine thread (now I am banned in posting in GLP entirely).The real issue was that the pro-Russian shills have firmly established themselves in the Ukraine thread, and anyone who disagrees will be attacked immediately, so Luisport deals with the problem by banning anyone who disagrees with the Russian shills, thinking that will fix the problem. Now the only people left in the thread are PAID Russian shills (KneelB4Zod). Great job." Blueyez:, GMG

Oh come on! Historically the Ukraine\'s been Russian/Polish stuff. Deal with it. There is no such thing as Ukrainian nation. Eastern Ukraine\'s been Russian for centuries. And the fact CIA-sponsored thugs started their rampage there was simply dangerous for Russia. It is gate to Russia: historically, geographically, ethnically

How would I react? Strangely enough the legal president, Mr. Yanukovich did not need to react as there was no issue. Once Maidan hooligans started their rampage, the state de facto ceased to exist. I know it may seem an innovation for you, but the continuity of legal government is not secured by a band of thugs on streets.

And those thugs\' favorites proclaimed their selves to be new government. Elections? No one cares because it is a revolution (yay!).And if you do it, you have to take into account some people/regions will simply consider themselves dismissed from such state. In case of the Ukraine there was a huge risk of it (aforementioned ethnic and historical division accompanied by no true national identity).

Now will tell you what the west would do/does:

Kosovo.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59626756

I am not trying to defend the western governments in anything. When will you get it, FFS.

Also, Poroshenko was elected...

And there is no such thing as Ukrainian nation? Ukraine is OLDER than Russia, and Ukrainians are ethnically more pure than Russians. Russians are mixed with Slavs, Finno-ugrics, Tatars, Mongoloids, Caucasians, etc... Kievan Rus\' is the parent culture of Russia. Pure Eastern-Slavs descend from the area which is mostly modern day Ukraine. Russia is considered a Slavonic nation at its core, however HISTORICALLY Slavs do not have any claim to most of modern day Russia, historically it belongs to Finno-ugric, Mongoloid, Tatar, and other Central Asian tribes.

So you could say that Ukraine is actually the father of Russia, And Russia is Ukraine\'s bastard child.

Quoting: Skizzy

You are talking bullshit. 1) In what sense is Ukraine older than Russia? Please elaborate. 2) What makes you think that Ukrainians are ethnically more \"pure\"? What is the definition of purity? Yes there are some Finno-Ugric tribes that contributed to Russian genes pool, so did Tatars to a lesser extent, and hardly at all Mongoloids or Caucasians (from Caucasus, if you mean that). But Ukrainians mixed with Tatars, Kipchaks, Circassians, Jews, Poles, and after that most notably with Russians, perhaps to the extent that makes them indistinguishable from Russians. 3)HISTORICALLY, long before the Central Asian tribes, the territory of the Ukraine belonged to Scythians and Sarmatians, and even earlier - to Cimmerians, and some time ago the entire Europe belonged to Neanderthal hominids, and in the Jurassic period dinasaurs occupied the entire planet. Do you see my point?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24376125

1) In the sense that Kiev region is where Eastern-Slavs originate from as far as its known.

2) I mean the ethnic composition of Ukraine is certainly purer than Russia, and they are more pure Slavs than Russians because they don't have so much Finno-Ugric and other influence in their gene pool. Even so, they are far from the purity of Poles or Czechs, etc.

3) And I wen't down the history lane as a retort to the last guy, personally I think history does not matter in modern day geopolitics. But since it is often brought up here that "Eastern Ukraine is historically Russian land blah blah blah", then I just point out that historically there is no such thing as Russian land.

Quoting: Skizzy

Skizzy just learn what modern geopolitic means. Learn the history if thats ok with you out of sources that are opposed to became more immune to propaganda bs...

In the end after a while, you will see this emerging: There are no anybodies land or whatever. What drives this world is the battle to preserve the control over the working population you managed to put under and battle to keep your interests(profit,money in legal or illegal form) running and impose them on those who still are out of reach. Sadly, we the people are just numbers.

Well, now put the arsenal of working nuclear weapon systems in this equation and you will see the possible outcomes of the equation solution!

Two leading organizations whose aim is to protect the interests of US business circles are planning to make a statement warning Washington against imposing new sanctions against Russia, the Bloomberg agency reports on Wednesday.

According to the agency, a statement of the National Association of Manufacturers and the US Chamber of Commerce is due to come out on Thursday, 26 June in several leading media, such as The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal and The Washington Post.

"If one understands that socialism is not a share-the-wealth programme, but is in reality a method to consolidate and control the wealth, then the seeming paradox of super-rich men promoting socialism becomes no paradox at all. Instead, it becomes logical, even the perfect tool of power-seeking megalomaniacs.

Communism or more accurately, socialism, is not a movement of the downtrodden masses, but of the economic elite."

I am not trying to defend the western governments in anything. When will you get it, FFS.

Also, Poroshenko was elected...

And there is no such thing as Ukrainian nation? Ukraine is OLDER than Russia, and Ukrainians are ethnically more pure than Russians. Russians are mixed with Slavs, Finno-ugrics, Tatars, Mongoloids, Caucasians, etc... Kievan Rus\' is the parent culture of Russia. Pure Eastern-Slavs descend from the area which is mostly modern day Ukraine. Russia is considered a Slavonic nation at its core, however HISTORICALLY Slavs do not have any claim to most of modern day Russia, historically it belongs to Finno-ugric, Mongoloid, Tatar, and other Central Asian tribes.

So you could say that Ukraine is actually the father of Russia, And Russia is Ukraine\'s bastard child.

Quoting: Skizzy

You are talking bullshit. 1) In what sense is Ukraine older than Russia? Please elaborate. 2) What makes you think that Ukrainians are ethnically more \"pure\"? What is the definition of purity? Yes there are some Finno-Ugric tribes that contributed to Russian genes pool, so did Tatars to a lesser extent, and hardly at all Mongoloids or Caucasians (from Caucasus, if you mean that). But Ukrainians mixed with Tatars, Kipchaks, Circassians, Jews, Poles, and after that most notably with Russians, perhaps to the extent that makes them indistinguishable from Russians. 3)HISTORICALLY, long before the Central Asian tribes, the territory of the Ukraine belonged to Scythians and Sarmatians, and even earlier - to Cimmerians, and some time ago the entire Europe belonged to Neanderthal hominids, and in the Jurassic period dinasaurs occupied the entire planet. Do you see my point?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24376125

1) In the sense that Kiev region is where Eastern-Slavs originate from as far as its known.

2) I mean the ethnic composition of Ukraine is certainly purer than Russia, and they are more pure Slavs than Russians because they don't have so much Finno-Ugric and other influence in their gene pool. Even so, they are far from the purity of Poles or Czechs, etc.

3) And I wen't down the history lane as a retort to the last guy, personally I think history does not matter in modern day geopolitics. But since it is often brought up here that "Eastern Ukraine is historically Russian land blah blah blah", then I just point out that historically there is no such thing as Russian land.

Quoting: Skizzy

Skizzy just learn what modern geopolitic means. Learn the history if thats ok with you out of sources that are opposed to became more immune to propaganda bs...

In the end after a while, you will see this emerging: There are no anybodies land or whatever. What drives this world is the battle to preserve the control over the working population you managed to put under and battle to keep your interests(profit,money in legal or illegal form) running and impose them on those who still are out of reach. Sadly, we the people are just numbers.

Well, now put the arsenal of working nuclear weapon systems in this equation and you will see the possible outcomes of the equation solution!

Do you start to see the big picture now?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 53277355

If we go into more global scale briefly we can say there is war of money against Life. Thats why Truth has to be silenced at any cost.

I am not trying to defend the western governments in anything. When will you get it, FFS.

Also, Poroshenko was elected...

And there is no such thing as Ukrainian nation? Ukraine is OLDER than Russia, and Ukrainians are ethnically more pure than Russians. Russians are mixed with Slavs, Finno-ugrics, Tatars, Mongoloids, Caucasians, etc... Kievan Rus\' is the parent culture of Russia. Pure Eastern-Slavs descend from the area which is mostly modern day Ukraine. Russia is considered a Slavonic nation at its core, however HISTORICALLY Slavs do not have any claim to most of modern day Russia, historically it belongs to Finno-ugric, Mongoloid, Tatar, and other Central Asian tribes.

So you could say that Ukraine is actually the father of Russia, And Russia is Ukraine\'s bastard child.

Quoting: Skizzy

You are talking bullshit. 1) In what sense is Ukraine older than Russia? Please elaborate. 2) What makes you think that Ukrainians are ethnically more \"pure\"? What is the definition of purity? Yes there are some Finno-Ugric tribes that contributed to Russian genes pool, so did Tatars to a lesser extent, and hardly at all Mongoloids or Caucasians (from Caucasus, if you mean that). But Ukrainians mixed with Tatars, Kipchaks, Circassians, Jews, Poles, and after that most notably with Russians, perhaps to the extent that makes them indistinguishable from Russians. 3)HISTORICALLY, long before the Central Asian tribes, the territory of the Ukraine belonged to Scythians and Sarmatians, and even earlier - to Cimmerians, and some time ago the entire Europe belonged to Neanderthal hominids, and in the Jurassic period dinasaurs occupied the entire planet. Do you see my point?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24376125

1) In the sense that Kiev region is where Eastern-Slavs originate from as far as its known.

2) I mean the ethnic composition of Ukraine is certainly purer than Russia, and they are more pure Slavs than Russians because they don't have so much Finno-Ugric and other influence in their gene pool. Even so, they are far from the purity of Poles or Czechs, etc.

3) And I wen't down the history lane as a retort to the last guy, personally I think history does not matter in modern day geopolitics. But since it is often brought up here that "Eastern Ukraine is historically Russian land blah blah blah", then I just point out that historically there is no such thing as Russian land.

Quoting: Skizzy

Skizzy just learn what modern geopolitic means. Learn the history if thats ok with you out of sources that are opposed to became more immune to propaganda bs...

In the end after a while, you will see this emerging: There are no anybodies land or whatever. What drives this world is the battle to preserve the control over the working population you managed to put under and battle to keep your interests(profit,money in legal or illegal form) running and impose them on those who still are out of reach. Sadly, we the people are just numbers.

Well, now put the arsenal of working nuclear weapon systems in this equation and you will see the possible outcomes of the equation solution!

Do you start to see the big picture now?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 53277355

So your point is that "state is god" and the quality of life of citizens is irrelevant? You would fit into the Soviet Union very well with that mindset.

Allow me to address your post on behalf of the pro-Putin, pro-Moscow dolts.

The image you posted is fake and photo-shopped. Crimean beaches are 100% full, tourism industry is better than ever-just ask Putin. You must be a Kyivian, American Nazi. Why do you hate Russians so much? You were happy and gleeful about the Odessa mass murder, weren't you. Stop trying to derail this thread. Get out you Hitlerite.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59655605

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58057699

I agree with what you are suggesting re: Crimea. Tourism has suffered from a Putin cataclysm in Crimea. The banks are in equally bad shape.

You are talking bullshit. 1) In what sense is Ukraine older than Russia? Please elaborate. 2) What makes you think that Ukrainians are ethnically more \"pure\"? What is the definition of purity? Yes there are some Finno-Ugric tribes that contributed to Russian genes pool, so did Tatars to a lesser extent, and hardly at all Mongoloids or Caucasians (from Caucasus, if you mean that). But Ukrainians mixed with Tatars, Kipchaks, Circassians, Jews, Poles, and after that most notably with Russians, perhaps to the extent that makes them indistinguishable from Russians. 3)HISTORICALLY, long before the Central Asian tribes, the territory of the Ukraine belonged to Scythians and Sarmatians, and even earlier - to Cimmerians, and some time ago the entire Europe belonged to Neanderthal hominids, and in the Jurassic period dinasaurs occupied the entire planet. Do you see my point?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24376125

1) In the sense that Kiev region is where Eastern-Slavs originate from as far as its known.

2) I mean the ethnic composition of Ukraine is certainly purer than Russia, and they are more pure Slavs than Russians because they don't have so much Finno-Ugric and other influence in their gene pool. Even so, they are far from the purity of Poles or Czechs, etc.

3) And I wen't down the history lane as a retort to the last guy, personally I think history does not matter in modern day geopolitics. But since it is often brought up here that "Eastern Ukraine is historically Russian land blah blah blah", then I just point out that historically there is no such thing as Russian land.

Quoting: Skizzy

Skizzy just learn what modern geopolitic means. Learn the history if thats ok with you out of sources that are opposed to became more immune to propaganda bs...

In the end after a while, you will see this emerging: There are no anybodies land or whatever. What drives this world is the battle to preserve the control over the working population you managed to put under and battle to keep your interests(profit,money in legal or illegal form) running and impose them on those who still are out of reach. Sadly, we the people are just numbers.

Well, now put the arsenal of working nuclear weapon systems in this equation and you will see the possible outcomes of the equation solution!

Do you start to see the big picture now?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 53277355

So your point is that "state is god" and the quality of life of citizens is irrelevant? You would fit into the Soviet Union very well with that mindset.

Quoting: Skizzy

No, Skizzy. State dos not give a shit about you. West or east does not matter. What matters is just your idea that you are doing something of importance. There, in that point the state has captured you and your future.

Soviet Union is dead. Stop trying to resurrect it! The western neo-liberal capitalism is still alive and battles furiously to stay on top. In that battle we see our future taking shape that lacks our individual control.

1) In the sense that Kiev region is where Eastern-Slavs originate from as far as its known.

2) I mean the ethnic composition of Ukraine is certainly purer than Russia, and they are more pure Slavs than Russians because they don't have so much Finno-Ugric and other influence in their gene pool. Even so, they are far from the purity of Poles or Czechs, etc.

3) And I wen't down the history lane as a retort to the last guy, personally I think history does not matter in modern day geopolitics. But since it is often brought up here that "Eastern Ukraine is historically Russian land blah blah blah", then I just point out that historically there is no such thing as Russian land.

Quoting: Skizzy

Skizzy just learn what modern geopolitic means. Learn the history if thats ok with you out of sources that are opposed to became more immune to propaganda bs...

In the end after a while, you will see this emerging: There are no anybodies land or whatever. What drives this world is the battle to preserve the control over the working population you managed to put under and battle to keep your interests(profit,money in legal or illegal form) running and impose them on those who still are out of reach. Sadly, we the people are just numbers.

Well, now put the arsenal of working nuclear weapon systems in this equation and you will see the possible outcomes of the equation solution!

Do you start to see the big picture now?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 53277355

So your point is that "state is god" and the quality of life of citizens is irrelevant? You would fit into the Soviet Union very well with that mindset.

Quoting: Skizzy

No, Skizzy. State dos not give a shit about you. West or east does not matter. What matters is just your idea that you are doing something of importance. There, in that point the state has captured you and your future.

Soviet Union is dead. Stop trying to resurrect it! The western neo-liberal capitalism is still alive and battles furiously to stay on top. In that battle we see our future taking shape that lacks our individual control.

And it never failed that during the dry years the people forgot about the rich years, and during the wet years they lost all memory of the dry years. It was always that way. ~ John Steinbeck

“If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.” ~ J.R.R. Tolkien

What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or in the holy name of liberty or democracy? ~ Mahatma Gandhi

Why does your flag switch between Czech and Denmark? Are you using a proxy IP for your Russian shilling?

Quoting: Skizzy

Gonna tell you something. I wouldn't care that much about this whole mess CIA stirred there... but I simply can't stand the whole goddamn anti-Russian, pro-banderist/bandit propaganda:

- during the Kosovo secession the whole west supported this mafia/islam nest in the outskirts of Europe. Now the same crooks condemn eastern Ukraine separatism.

- Kiev rioters who would be beaten or simply shot (imagine anyone pulling something like this in the Washington DC or even Berlin) in any western European or American city became fighters for democracy

- hardcore psychopathic murderers of OUN-UPA became national heroes and it is western duty to support their offspring

- hardcore crooks like Timoshenko became noble statesmen and get all the support

- cherry on the top, so common in Poland I got sick of it: all people supporting Russian intervention became shills paid by the Russian intel/use proxies etc. ... gimme a goddamn break.

Despite Western hysteria, Russia was never planning to invade Ukraine - expert

Russia has never intended to invade Ukraine, stresses Robert Oulds, Director of the Bruges Group, an independent all-party think tank. Instead, there was always a lot of hysteria on the part of the West regarding the alleged military buildup on the border between the two countries.

The whole thing was misrepresented by NATO.What Russia was and is still trying to do, the expert underlined in an exclusive interview with Radio VR, is to reach out and encourage peace talks. But the West is failing to listen and the authorities in Kiev are pushing their own agenda.

"If one understands that socialism is not a share-the-wealth programme, but is in reality a method to consolidate and control the wealth, then the seeming paradox of super-rich men promoting socialism becomes no paradox at all. Instead, it becomes logical, even the perfect tool of power-seeking megalomaniacs.

Communism or more accurately, socialism, is not a movement of the downtrodden masses, but of the economic elite."

Skizzy just learn what modern geopolitic means. Learn the history if thats ok with you out of sources that are opposed to became more immune to propaganda bs...

In the end after a while, you will see this emerging: There are no anybodies land or whatever. What drives this world is the battle to preserve the control over the working population you managed to put under and battle to keep your interests(profit,money in legal or illegal form) running and impose them on those who still are out of reach. Sadly, we the people are just numbers.

Well, now put the arsenal of working nuclear weapon systems in this equation and you will see the possible outcomes of the equation solution!

Do you start to see the big picture now?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 53277355

So your point is that "state is god" and the quality of life of citizens is irrelevant? You would fit into the Soviet Union very well with that mindset.

Quoting: Skizzy

No, Skizzy. State dos not give a shit about you. West or east does not matter. What matters is just your idea that you are doing something of importance. There, in that point the state has captured you and your future.

Soviet Union is dead. Stop trying to resurrect it! The western neo-liberal capitalism is still alive and battles furiously to stay on top. In that battle we see our future taking shape that lacks our individual control.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 53277355

You should tell this to the so called Separatists instead of me.

Quoting: Skizzy

Leave them alone. It is not ur business. And second of all they have right do not accept fraudulent new puupet power of kiev and they are doing holy thing protecting their land from nazi scum aggressors. Why dont u get it. If there are some lenin-scum monuments there it does not mean that they r all comunists or they want to resurrect soviet union. Thats bs i have to tell u. Nothing can be more stupid than that.

Skizzy just learn what modern geopolitic means. Learn the history if thats ok with you out of sources that are opposed to became more immune to propaganda bs...

In the end after a while, you will see this emerging: There are no anybodies land or whatever. What drives this world is the battle to preserve the control over the working population you managed to put under and battle to keep your interests(profit,money in legal or illegal form) running and impose them on those who still are out of reach. Sadly, we the people are just numbers.

Well, now put the arsenal of working nuclear weapon systems in this equation and you will see the possible outcomes of the equation solution!

Do you start to see the big picture now?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 53277355

So your point is that "state is god" and the quality of life of citizens is irrelevant? You would fit into the Soviet Union very well with that mindset.

Quoting: Skizzy

No, Skizzy. State dos not give a shit about you. West or east does not matter. What matters is just your idea that you are doing something of importance. There, in that point the state has captured you and your future.

Soviet Union is dead. Stop trying to resurrect it! The western neo-liberal capitalism is still alive and battles furiously to stay on top. In that battle we see our future taking shape that lacks our individual control.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 53277355

You should tell this to the so called Separatists instead of me.

Quoting: Skizzy

The so called separatists took action against others deciding instead of them. And that takes courage!

So your point is that "state is god" and the quality of life of citizens is irrelevant? You would fit into the Soviet Union very well with that mindset.

Quoting: Skizzy

No, Skizzy. State dos not give a shit about you. West or east does not matter. What matters is just your idea that you are doing something of importance. There, in that point the state has captured you and your future.

Soviet Union is dead. Stop trying to resurrect it! The western neo-liberal capitalism is still alive and battles furiously to stay on top. In that battle we see our future taking shape that lacks our individual control.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 53277355

You should tell this to the so called Separatists instead of me.

Quoting: Skizzy

The so called separatists took action against others deciding instead of them. And that takes courage!

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 53277355

The so called separatists want to be annexed by Russia, if you were not aware of that already.