Women of Web 2.0 Show 57

Hello, wow, show number 57, what a great milestone.We have a great show for you tonight in spite of all the skype glitches! Tom Turner is a great guest and we have a rocking chat room happening in the background. Good luck getting through the podcast and the chat!

21:24:29 cindy p I want to try and go if i can...need to talk to nelle

21:24:45 CathyN tchr asked me today what was the fasted way to have a webpage besides blog--I said googlepages

21:24:48 jepcke Wow it's crazy to think there are still teachers like that

21:24:55 ColleenK @Sarah S I'm with AliceB so we must be carpooling together. :)

21:25:08 sendkathy @CathyN I like weebly even better

21:25:13 sharonp wikis are fast and easy too

21:25:17 Sarah S @ColleenK - great! Can't wait to meet you.

21:25:18 sendkathy I think its easier for teachers

21:25:22 cheryloakes wow show 57 i like weebly too!

21:25:23 CathyN weebly gets blocked in my district @sendkathy

21:25:29 paula wikis are easy to create

21:25:29 Vicki Davis @CathyN there are some people scared of blogs.

21:25:33 sharonp depends on the content

21:25:34 sendkathy ACathyN, why?

21:25:41 Vicki Davis The thing about blogs is the archivability and searchability.

21:25:50 CathyN @sendkathy good qstn

21:26:01 jepcke Wikis are my 'easy' website builder of choice

21:26:05 sendkathy OK I thought maybe I should know something!

21:26:09 sharonp but wikis and google docs are exportable

21:26:10 Vicki Davis I think it depends on what you want to do.

21:26:18 jomcleay Hi Fiona,

21:26:22 Vicki Davis It is important to start with "What is the curricular objective"

21:26:24 CathyN of course this tchr is so afraaid of everything

21:26:26 fiona_banjer Hi Jo, made it, virus check started as I logged in and crashed the lot!

21:26:31 sharonp HI David!

21:26:32 Vicki Davis Or what is the classroom objective.

21:26:43 JenniferW Hey Vinnie -- Welcome DJ

21:26:45 megormi david is in the room...

21:26:50 paula for now - I need to start with the easiest to get them caught

21:26:53 lizbdavis Wikispaces has a pretty short learning curve

21:26:59 Vicki Davis When I didn't know anything and walked up to David Warlick at a conference and asked what I should use he said, "Well, what is your curricular objective, that is where you should start."

21:27:08 djakes hello Sharon

21:27:11 jomcleay good comment Vicki

21:27:13 Vicki Davis And I think we need to encourage teachers to get to that point.

21:27:13 sharonp Depends on amount of control one wants on teh webpage - wikis don't allow a lot of layout or design changes

21:27:13 jepcke @lizbdavis I agree about wikispaces

21:27:25 djakes Hello @megormi

21:27:25 CathyN I did a parent workshop Jen

21:27:31 paula Wikispaces is my tool of choice with the reluctant educators but I am always open

21:27:37 CathyN went very well

21:27:38 WOScholar Hillary leads in New Hampshire by 2% over Obama if anyone is interested (2300 votes).

21:29:26 Vicki Davis @lizdavis - I'm not famous -- I'm a mother of three, wife of 1, teacher of 100.

21:29:32 cheryloakes wow show 57 liz right about vicki!

21:29:34 derrallg Davic W is so approachable

21:29:36 kkozloski I am presenting on Why Wiki tomorrow and found some good stuff on wikispaces about it. I put some of the resources together here - it's a small start but might be something to get your teacher thinking http://web20fored.wikispaces.com/WhyWiki

21:29:37 CathyN @vicki we should all be so brave

21:29:39 atruger @Tom Not anymore

21:29:45 fiona_banjer Yes

21:29:46 JSigler @CathyN I think blogs make great web pages. I did mine on wordpress. http://siglersite.com

21:29:48 Vicki Davis @derrallg -- David has my loyalty b/c of how he treated me when I was "nothing"

21:29:49 Vicki Davis ;=-)

21:29:49 Linda Nitsche My emoticons aren't working!

21:29:58 lizbdavis @Vicki you are famous to me. (In a good way!)

21:30:12 cheryloakes wow show 57 I am sorry Linda, you will have to do old fashioned way :-0

21:34:51 Sue Waters (Australia) Yes Jess I saw the comment and have respondend back thanks for reading my blog

21:34:56 CathyN frm the perspective of lib where i can show info literacy

21:35:07 WOScholar My COT has said all along that his job is more curriculum than technology because the equipment is driven by the curricular needs. Now he has me as an IT to give him more detailed direction.

21:35:12 CathyN talk about cc and copyright

21:35:33 CathyN but also generate excitement about using 21st century tools

21:35:42 djakes @CathyN. I think that is exactly right. That, in my opinion, is a mission of a library, along with perhaps network literacy. That should be the focus, not boxes and wires, etc.

21:36:33 lizbdavis Has Tom been reading my blog - I've been thinking the same things about teaching teachers to fish. Finding constructivist ways to do PD.

21:36:35 CathyN @ryan we dont have them where I am

21:36:40 CathyN im it

21:36:41 Art Gelwicks You go Tracy!

21:36:46 jomcleay Vicki and Tom that's what blogs are good for

21:36:47 sharonp Reflection is one of the key features in our new education program in Quebec - which is wonderful because web 2 environments are perfect for that

21:36:48 ryanbretag but we are speaking in terms of "ideal" world

21:36:49 jeffmason @Tom one person for tech support, one person for educational support

21:36:52 WOScholar Thanks Jen

21:36:57 Linda Nitsche @traceymcgrath Never enough time!

21:37:04 CathyN but i have a handful being trailblazers for me

21:37:17 jepcke I've worked with some tech people with good intentions bt not clue about education

21:37:20 thekyleguy Hi Dean

21:37:28 JenniferW @jeffmason -- is that a possibility??? my school -- right now -- it would be no. Can -- would public schools pay for 2 people??

21:37:29 sharonp reflection is built into al of the subject areas - at elementary and secondary levels

21:37:34 cheryloakes wow show 57 liz, what is a good way to have constructivist PD? what are you doing?

21:37:38 JenniferW or more??

21:37:43 Art Gelwicks I've worked with some educators with good intentions but not a clue about technology. :)

21:37:49 atruger @liz Please share more

21:37:50 lizbdavis I am really fortunate to have 2 tech "assistants" who deal with the printer problems etc.

21:37:51 jomcleay that archiving ability of blogs make it possible to reflect on how far yu have come in the skill of reflecting as well

21:37:55 fiona_banjer I was librarian and IT/tech person last semester in primary school. IT issues took over library. Balance is not easy.

21:37:56 Art Gelwicks Seems the sword cuts both ways.

21:37:58 JenniferW and how do we convince them that we CAN NOT -- and should not be doing it all

21:38:03 jepcke @Art I still work with those people, but I'm trying :)

21:38:07 jeffmason @jenniferw probably not, but can we afford not to

21:38:13 sendkathy Sounds like techies are from Mars and Teachers are from Venus

21:38:17 WOScholar @Durff. I'll make it easier for you. Come to work for us in Texas.

21:38:20 JenniferW wearing 3 hats is NOT good for them -- and exhausting for me

21:38:23 atruger @liz blog addy?

21:38:29 CathyN i give a "hardware" issue no mre than five min thenits a workorder fro an itinerant person

21:38:40 sharonp blogs and wikis can easily become cheap and easy eportfolios to be used over time as an archive and as a repository of artifacts

21:38:43 lizbdavis @cheryl I"ve been thinking about ways to structure the learning so that we don't do so much hand holding - no directions sheets - more exploration. And an explicit discussion about the way we are learning (meta)

21:38:45 traceymcgrath But despite all that I try to do to bring our teachers into the 21st century. I still have classroom teachers asking me to type a web address and log into their web based applications ;-P

21:38:48 cheryloakes wow show 57 good way to do this cathyn

21:38:51 CathyN @sendkathy LOL

21:38:55 Art Gelwicks @jepcke Same here. That's all we can do. Everyone benefits if we stop telling each other HOW they should do something and ask WHAT they want to do.

21:42:35 CathyN but these same parents are oblivious to all the illegal downloading of music and a0-okay w it

21:42:41 sendkathy @Jen, really I just expanded because it's going so fast

21:42:44 courosa hey all

21:42:47 djakes so, if it is a walled garden, and thats it, better than nothing

21:42:56 jess_technolote maybe people like wikis better first as they eem to be less threatening because they rely on more than one person contributing, therefore someone new to it knows they aren't the only one?

21:42:56 Art Gelwicks Shareski, who's reading the student blogs?

21:42:57 shareski @djakes...why settle

21:43:02 lizbdavis I'm finding it easier to start with a walled garden. I'm hoping to oen them up later

21:44:19 JSigler I had a couple parents object to having their 3rd grader use a social network.

21:44:26 Vicki Davis @sendkathy -- Yes, there is more than one way to rwrite a blog.

21:44:29 Durff Art that is how i explain deep web

21:44:30 cheryloakes wow show 57 hm, that is what I am using too. sorry again

21:44:30 JenniferW SendKathy -- talk some more

21:44:37 Vicki Davis Of course, everything starts off with what is our objective -- what is our purpose.

21:44:39 shareski why use the internet if it's closed? seems like a waste of time

21:44:44 sharonp @shareski - that is fantastic for you! We have one school board here where I live that is ridiculously closed .... beyond the pale! everything - wiks, blog, google docs, social networking sites, animot, you name it

21:44:49 cpbw not me 3rd grade parents are ok with social networking

21:44:53 Vicki Davis Digital citizenship and students knowing how to be professionals is so important.

21:44:57 thekyleguy lack of collaborating/conversation

21:44:59 Durff gotta start somewhere dean

21:45:07 CathyN its about educating the parents too

21:45:17 atruger Admin need to show support for tech for the changes to stick

21:45:19 jomcleay @shareski I do so agree with you

21:45:19 lizbdavis @derrallg compared to not doing it a walled garden is cool - once we get going , using ning I think it is pretty easy to open it up. And for each blog post they can set the privacy level

21:45:20 JenniferW my biggest obstacle is not parents --

21:45:23 Art Gelwicks You're comfusing the internet with the social networking space and learning good community skills. It's like learning to drive...you don't just drop them on the expressway do you?

21:45:26 JenniferW my biggest obstacle is admin

21:45:27 sharonp I talked to their IT consultants and they were soooo conservative .... not willing to explore or opoen up

21:45:30 sendkathy Well, I would not want to disourage a budding blogger by restricting them to certain special standards

21:45:34 cheryloakes wow show 57 evening stevesoko

21:45:41 Durff gotta start where parents are

21:45:41 vvrotny citizenship and students being professional, in all aspects including digital is essential

21:45:45 CathyN imnot sure i want to rant about admin

21:45:47 amykenyon yes-grumbly teachers can be a pain

21:45:47 Vicki Davis Or just Twitter him!!! ;-)

21:45:51 Vicki Davis Chris Lehman is great.

21:45:52 CathyN mine rt now is very supportive

21:45:53 shareski it's all about culture...I realize that and i feel for those with difficulties but I just can't let it go..I have to push people

21:45:58 jepcke Change! A great topic!

21:46:03 CathyN of course her kids are online networking gamers

21:46:04 stevesoko Hi cheryl, out at UCONN basketball just got in

21:46:06 jess_technolote One parent at my school actually asked if the kids still do any 'real' pen and paper work and wasn't all this technology just a distraction?

21:46:06 Vicki Davis If Red Bull were a human it would be Chris, I think.

21:46:09 JenniferW Shareski -- have we booked you on our show yet??? :)

21:46:11 Durff sounds like a commercial

21:46:18 nzchrissy I had a parent ask that too

21:46:21 djakes Chris Lehmann at Edubloggercon: "What is the worst consequence of your best idea?"

21:46:24 Vicki Davis @jess -- "Real.?"

21:46:26 cheryloakes wow show 57 @vicki, great, red bull

21:46:29 CathyN @jess that is a video begging to be made

21:46:35 JenniferW Djakes -- I lost a job-- and it was WORTH it :)

21:46:36 shareski @JenneferW what? to talk about SCrabulous

21:46:39 djakes @JLWagner. Book @shareski, he rocks

21:46:39 Vicki Davis I think that we still need essays, however, blogging is an entirely different form of writing.

21:46:46 Durff "You not going to be able to do your job if your

21:46:52 lizbdavis Act first ask permission later

21:46:52 shareski See you at FETC Tom

21:46:57 jess_technolote @vicki - yeah, that's what I thought.

21:46:59 Durff not ready to lose your job

21:46:59 sharonp Had a meeting with provincial board IT consultants and IT admin - wow, were they in a different position from me - when I mentioned how I had used blogs wikis and skype in the clssroom - the teachers wanted to know more, the admin guys were dead againist them

21:47:05 JenniferW @shareski -- sure - and so much more

21:47:05 CathyN @liz LOVE it

21:47:07 cheryloakes wow show 57 good motto liz, i agree

21:47:13 sendkathy @Vicki, I wasn't aware there was a national standard please share

21:47:14 JSigler There should be different levels of openness depending on the level: elementary, middle school, or high school

21:47:30 Art Gelwicks Pushing people is fine...get them out of their comfort zone. No question there. I'm suggesting have several approaches in your aresenal, jump in the deep end and ease in the shallows. Both ways you learn to swim.

21:47:53 paula when we really need confiedentially we move to an online CMS

21:47:56 traceymcgrath I have been a teacher in Philly for 13 years and Chris is one of the few administrators that embraces technology the way he does!

21:47:58 jepcke @lizbdavis Great advice

21:47:59 thekyleguy thats right liz

21:48:06 Vicki Davis @sendkathy -- There isn't a national standard, however, I have objectives for my classroom.

21:48:08 djakes @liz. But to develop systemic change, it has to be a different approach.

21:48:10 thekyleguy start small

21:48:21 shareski 15 minutes a day..says @djakes and @carolyn foote

21:48:25 sharonp unfortunately closed administrators just create a culture where teacher go under the radar

21:48:29 CathyN @kyle and in someplaces that is the only way to start

21:48:32 cpbw it's a big river and you can only dip your cup in once in a while

21:48:33 vvrotny I have found that not getting caught up has been refreshing

21:48:39 Vicki Davis And after working with blogging and my students and also looking at the business world, blogging is a different animal.

21:48:48 djakes @liz. See you in Philly!

21:48:52 cpbw information overload is not the key to success

21:48:54 shareski same on you Tom :/ :D

21:48:56 lizbdavis @djakes I'm so focused on the small picture right now - new school, lots of resistance.

21:49:00 Durff wow, and i feel bad i didn't get to the reader today!

21:49:01 cheryloakes wow show 57 vvrotny, we can keep each other caught up, we don't need to do it all

21:49:02 Cathy E What is Chris Lehman's twitter name

21:49:05 djakes ahhh

21:49:09 jess_technolote also, at the end of last school year we were talking as staff about how to better market the school and one teacher was adamant that education never never changes. It just doesn't according to him. I didn't know what to say I was so flabbergasted.

21:49:10 sendkathy @Vicki, yes I agree one needs objectives

21:49:11 djakes @cathy

21:49:11 JenniferW Chrislehmann

21:49:19 Durff Cathy - you got it

21:49:19 CathyN my princi is very open to a class taking on a wiki or blog, but i cant get a tchr to cmmitt yet

21:49:20 Vicki Davis eg. Where do I hyperlink? What do I hyperlink to? What are valid sources to use in a blog? How do you properly quote someone? What do you do when someone comments unkindly? How do you disagree professionally? These are all things you cannot teach w/ an essay.

21:49:22 paula I never read a newspaper anymore, all of my admin read paper newspapers daily

21:49:43 traceymcgrath chrislehmann

21:49:45 Durff newspaper? what's that?

21:49:59 atruger @durff LOL

21:50:03 paula exactly - a different culture

21:50:11 Vicki Davis @cpbw - Living in the middle of nowhere -- sometimes the key to greatness is not information overload but rather, time in quiet to wiggle your toes in the dirt and play with the kids -- that is where inspiration comes.

21:50:11 djakes get teachers to change? Poor Tom...

21:50:12 jomcleay start from where the teachers are

21:50:13 vvrotny @cheryloakes I feel that I have been as productive and less aggitated

21:50:14 Durff i'm an illegal alien

21:50:17 shareski We have to show them why they should change...not just how

21:50:20 cpbw differnt tools for communication i would argue

21:50:21 CathyN in teaching textual info today and the various formats, kids ranked books as the LAST place they go for info

21:50:23 paula what are the implications for us geeks

21:50:25 WOScholar Teachers generally change ONLY when they see the need for change. Create the need, then make a move.

21:50:27 cpbw not everybody is going to use all the same tools

21:50:33 shareski 80% Why 20% How

21:50:33 jepcke Change: have you read "Our Iceberg is Melting?" It is like 'Who Moved my Cheese' great book or organizations

21:50:36 lizbdavis Be patient - Read "The Human Side of School Change"

21:50:43 Durff teach learners how to learn

21:50:47 Cathy E What do you do with the teachers that have been fishing but quit

21:50:48 CathyN confession=is January and i have not purchased the first library book this year--oh the shame

21:50:48 Vicki Davis @lizbdavis - It is important to take it one step at a time -- "technology creep" will happen, you just have to give it time.

21:50:50 vvrotny @djakes we will need to touch base sometime in the next few weeks to chat about NICE/EduCon linkup

21:50:54 glovely quote: "Some people change because they see the light, others because they feel the heat"

21:50:57 jess_technolote ah, I love hearing that people don't read the newspaper anymore. now i don't feel so guilty!

21:51:00 Durff is he describing my IT guy?

21:51:05 fiona_banjer Still continues to be a link between technology and ICT.

21:51:10 WOScholar @jepcke Miguel Guhlin blogged about that book this week. Seems interesting.

21:51:11 djakes @vvrotny. Absolutely

21:51:13 Durff sounds like it

21:51:18 Art Gelwicks Tech support should always be treated as a service department and reviewed and handled as such.

21:51:23 Vicki Davis @vvrotny -- I'm coming!!!!

21:51:23 jomcleay Yay Tom great point

21:51:50 jepcke @WoScholar Yep, read his blog. The book is worth reading

21:51:58 paula bypass the teachers I love it

21:51:59 CathyN me too JEN

21:52:00 djakes where is the administration in that discussion?

21:52:07 JSigler Our district focused our PD on technology for a year. It really brought everyone's technology level up a notch.

21:52:08 paula we will always have 24 hours each day

21:52:12 djakes bypass the teachers? how will the teachers feel about that?

21:52:13 traceymcgrath I did a poll with some of my middle school students 70% do some sort of personally blogging... I would say maybe 10% of our teachersblog!

21:52:13 courosa We need to give teachers real reasons to change their beliefs ... right now in schools they dont' feel there are any reasons ... the reaons have to be in their face ... from students ... from colleagues ... from parents.

21:52:15 jomcleay love collaboration like this JenniferW

21:52:17 djakes just build more resistance

21:52:21 Vicki Davis I don't think you have to bypass the teachers.

21:52:22 lizbdavis Arggh. I 'm so sick of the "No time" argument.

21:52:24 Art Gelwicks Ooh...I blogged on that yesterday!

21:52:25 dgrice Let teachers know that their previous knowledge and experience still has value.

21:52:27 vvrotny @vickidavis I will be virtual, jakes will be there. I am conducting a session at both our local Mini-Conference and hooking up with teachers at EduCon

21:52:29 Durff i wish i could that jen

21:52:32 CathyN i have a 50 50 staff half are old school, half really want to engage their kids in new ways

21:53:40 jomcleay @cathyN I have decided to be more careful about geek speak this year

21:53:41 Vicki Davis @sendkathy -- Right now most of them aren't on the web except that we created a private schoolwide ning and they are blogging. That is where they are.

21:53:43 JSigler Teachers are already putting all their time and energy into teaching what they already have

21:53:46 djakes trust eminates from that, and now you have something

21:53:48 JenniferW @djakes -- I totally agree --

21:53:50 mjmontagne Wes Fryer wrote post about doing more with students directly

21:53:51 Durff the kids have nice technology!

21:53:51 glovely remember LOC (levels of concern)? that model is STILL valid

21:53:51 Vicki Davis We're just now getting them interested in smartboards.

21:53:54 Vicki Davis They are all using skype.

21:53:54 JenniferW and I want to work with them

21:53:58 cindy p teachers are competitive creatures

21:53:59 CathyN i keep tellin them to plan w/ me and Ill be the istructor w/ their help until the feel comfy enuf to be the instr w/ my help--baby steps

21:54:04 Sue Waters (Australia) I agree Vicik start with the early adopters and they will help move along the others

21:54:08 Art Gelwicks (Desire + interest) - FUD = change

21:54:12 jepcke Was t Art who said find a problem they have been unable to solve and them solve it

21:54:13 stevesoko I refuse to play the jealousy game - unfair to all th ekids

21:54:24 Vicki Davis It takes time and progress - -they all had e-mail - -but 5 years a go none of them had computers -- we have a school wide SIS -- did that last year -- it is important to understand that change is a process.

21:54:25 shareski trust in relationships and technology means you or it can screw up and it's no big deal

21:54:26 sendkathy Private ning sounds like a good idea

21:54:34 djakes All teachers have some kind of need, find that and help them address that need

21:54:36 Art Gelwicks Every person responds to the basic - WHat's in it for me?

21:54:37 sharonp in my experience - technology is off-putting and scary to many - if they don't feel somewhat confident using it or have freedom to fail, they won't try something new

21:54:40 jess_technolote teachers need to see that all this new Web 2.0 technology etc is going to enhance their teaching, not just that it is a bunch of cool tools. But how to show them that without overwhelming them too much?

21:54:42 lizbdavis It is about competence - helping teachers to feel cofortable enough to be incomptetent at something - hard for the veteren.

21:54:43 Durff for 8th grade kathy

21:54:44 JSigler How to you replace instead of adding to the curriculum

21:54:50 megormi I have found great success with starting with those that are ready, giving them great tech and PD.

21:54:52 fiona_banjer Why aren't the high tech users being identified and being put into teaching environments which will display what is achievable?

21:54:53 courosa need a larger chat screen

21:54:59 Art Gelwicks Talk teacher talk...not tech talk.

21:55:01 Vicki Davis Change is like aging -- gradual and eventual -- we just have to move it in the right direction.

21:55:02 atruger @jsigler Great question

21:55:03 CathyN i got a few to experiment w/ video by putting the camerq in their room and then capturing their footage and giving it back to them to play at editing

21:55:05 Durff courosa - detach

21:55:05 jeffmason I have the same frustrations as a classroom teacher toward my tech people. I am trying everything I can to work around them because of the closed door policy toward everything.

21:55:07 jomcleay @Jess and that it can help their teacheing be better in LESS time

21:55:08 sharonp @courosa I agree!

21:55:08 djakes @jsigler. Teachers need to give up pet content

21:55:14 Durff third icon from right

21:55:15 CathyN got some novice but cute stuff back

21:55:17 WOScholar @courosa How did the class go?

21:55:18 Vicki Davis I have an incredible curriculum director and principal and so it helps me. We're moving one step at a time.

21:55:18 Sue Waters (Australia) Change takes time and we have to be realistic - small change in anorganisation takes 3-5 years large takes 5-10years we have to be realistic

21:55:20 jess_technolote teachers are often impressed by what goes on, but then say 'ah but I can't do it' and don't even make the time to listen to easy it can be.

21:55:24 megormi We need to differentiate PD for our teachers also, if they are not ready, start with those that are

21:55:26 stevesoko You needto take each teacher where they are. Just like kids, what is tehnext step, where does each teacher need to go.

21:55:28 shareski @durff...thanks for the tip

21:55:29 jepcke @ art that's why it helps to be an educator in a tech role

21:55:31 djakes and school districts need to develop, implement and measure a guaranteed and viable curriculum

21:55:31 Vicki Davis @SueWaters -- you ar so right. It takes time.

21:55:36 djakes Marzano stuff

21:55:37 Art Gelwicks Also, not everyone will reach the same level. Assume that from the beginning and set a reasonable bar for each individual.

21:55:42 shareski [b]stop laughing

21:55:43 courosa @woscholar: not without challenges, but not bad

21:55:49 glovely it is ALL about permission to fail

21:55:49 Durff how can anyone read this - it goes too fast

21:55:50 cheryloakes wow show 57 This chat is going to be great when I can really go back and read it, thanks.

21:55:54 jess_technolote @jomcleay yes, but the ones I am trying to work with are reluctant to even put in that initial time

21:55:56 Vicki Davis But what bothers me is that most schools teaching pre-service teachers are indoctrinating teachers AGAINST new tools.

21:55:57 CathyN i told one tchr we just need to jmp in and fix it as we go the kids will be happy b/c it is their language even if its not ours

21:55:59 Vicki Davis Now that is a shame.

21:56:12 Sue Waters (Australia) @vicki I am only seeing now people that I worked with last year now starting to actually get it we need long term plans for uptake

21:56:13 jomcleay @jess sounds like we're in the same boat

21:56:14 glovely and also about meeting needs

21:56:15 Durff yes vicki

21:56:17 djakes @megormi. Why wouldnt they be ready?

21:56:20 Durff i agree

21:56:22 courosa @durff: ow?

21:56:28 jomcleay Yes Sharon True

21:56:29 jess_technolote @jomcleay - we need to come up with an attack plan!!! :)

21:56:37 Durff 3rd icon from right

21:56:39 Vicki Davis What do engineers do -- they indoctrinate pre-professional engineers with the latest, most cutting edge technology b/c they know that will infuse the best practices in the work place as the engineers graduate -- teachers don't.

21:56:42 JenniferW Welcome ChrisLehmann

21:56:43 Art Gelwicks @jepcke It does but it's not required. If a tech group is run as a service organization with teachers as the customers all they truly need to be able to do is listen well.

21:56:45 djakes uh oh, @chrislehmann is here

21:56:47 ChrisLehmann Heya...

21:56:48 jomcleay @Jess yes definitely talk on skype chat soon

21:56:50 Durff looks like boxes

21:56:52 shareski Ladies and Gentlemen...Mr. Chris Lehmann

21:56:52 jomcleay ?

21:56:54 cheryloakes wow show 57 Chris Lehmann, your ears must have been burning, we have been talking about you, all good.

21:56:56 djakes Shouldn't you be planning?

21:56:58 tom-turner he must have heard i mentioned his name

21:57:00 megormi @djakes If there are limited funds, start with teh pioneers and build out, that model works

21:57:04 CathyN my princi wanted to nim me for med spec of year--i said noway that would not wi me over with tchrs being new at my sch

21:57:06 JenniferW 16 Days -- CHRIS

21:57:09 WOScholar @courosa Thanks for inviting me earlier. I enjoyed the session while sitting in the tire store. Had a college kid come sit next to me and ask about my Mac and the cool stuff it would do. He loved the A/V capabilities. Typical kid these days.

21:57:18 Durff blue boxes

21:57:19 Vicki Davis @Sue -- 3-5 year plans that roll ar eso important and that is why, we must start REFLECTING as a process. It should be part of what we do as professionals. A process of continual improvement.

21:57:20 JSigler @djakes The curriculum is already a mile wide and an inch deep. It's not the pet projects that take the time. Its the curriculum.

21:57:31 Art Gelwicks When I speak to a teacher I ask, "What can I do to help you teach your material?" Not "What tech do you need help with?"

21:57:38 djakes in our case it is, but I agree with you.

21:57:39 ChrisLehmann @djakes had to take a break to watch NH coverage. :)

21:57:44 Sue Waters (Australia) the trouble is here we tend to have ad hoc plans which just don;t work

21:57:51 CathyN and is our job t demo that we are addrssing content and curriculum not tools and tech

21:57:54 Linda Nitsche @Art Gelwicks- That's my approach

21:57:56 WOScholar @djakes I thought you were the one planning, NECC coming in about 6 months you know.

21:57:57 Vicki Davis @Chris -- we were talking about you --- ;-)

21:57:58 JenniferW @ChrisLehmann -- they have already announced results in CA

21:58:03 courosa it was chris craft

21:58:08 djakes @chrislehman. C.H.E.E.S.E.S.T.E.A.K.S

21:58:12 courosa that's me

21:58:13 ChrisLehmann Vicki -- so I hear... What were you saying? :)

21:58:15 Durff get it courosa?

21:58:17 Vicki Davis @ChrisLehman - I said if Red Bull were a person that would be you!

21:58:21 Sue Waters (Australia) Opps sorry that was my response back @Vicki the ad hoc strategy does not work needs to be several year plans

21:58:22 JenniferW Yes, it was Chris Craft

21:58:25 ChrisLehmann @djakes -- we're on it. Don't worry. :)

21:58:29 djakes lol

21:58:31 courosa no, haven't detached

21:58:38 Durff pooh

21:58:46 CathyN and let me reind everyone that Chris Craft is from SOUTH CAROLINA

21:58:47 JenniferW Hello Kristen

21:58:47 Durff hi kristin

21:58:49 shareski @djakes...you're all about the food

21:58:51 CathyN :)

21:58:55 khokanson hey guys

21:58:56 Art Gelwicks @Linda - Great to hear that. Too many IT people isolate themselves in their digital towers.

21:58:57 jomcleay Hi Kristin

21:58:58 Vicki Davis @Sue -- yes, the curriculum director and I sit down and talk at least every 2-3 months and really we talk every week. She is close to retiring and could have retired a while a go but she says it is what we need to do.

21:59:00 courosa that was so much fun

21:59:03 cheryloakes wow show 57 hi kristinH

21:59:04 khokanson planned on catching the podcast

21:59:05 djakes @shareski. sweet

21:59:06 ChrisLehmann @vicki oy. One of my teachers referred to me as "The Bionic Man" yesterday. He was amazed that I admitted I was tired.

21:59:07 khokanson but arthus

21:59:10 CathyN I heard that Lehmann was working on PRN

21:59:14 courosa it's not ... but it's retro

21:59:16 ChrisLehmann PRN?

21:59:16 khokanson is doing a political show on ustream

21:59:21 Vicki Davis @ChrisLehman -- Just enjoy the family.

21:59:21 Linda Nitsche Hey Kristin

21:59:23 djakes Pot Roast Nachos

21:59:26 JenniferW Sent in my Reg today Chris -- :)

21:59:26 JSigler @Art Gelwicks That is a great approach to help with the time factor.

21:59:28 khokanson he isdoing a great job

21:59:31 Durff ew jakes

21:59:33 GMc Chat is so fast - almost as bad as TalkShoe.

21:59:34 ChrisLehmann eeeeeeew. :)

21:59:35 khokanson but could use some folks

21:59:39 ChrisLehmann Jen -- I saw!

21:59:41 Durff need to go vegan

21:59:43 djakes @durff. I crave PRN

21:59:44 paula but the chat get easier everytime one participates and listens

21:59:45 khokanson I figured this was where everyone is tonight :)

21:59:46 megormi YUM, PRN, licking my lips!

21:59:48 Vicki Davis @ChrisLehman -- Mine just think there is somethign wrong with me -- why would I want to work so hard when I don't HAVE to.

21:59:51 shareski it happens everytime @djakes is in the house

21:59:52 djakes not that vegan stuff, yuck

21:59:54 thekyleguy I want to try PRN

21:59:55 courosa this is just as bad

22:00:01 jomcleay @vicki yes I get that too

22:00:06 JenniferW no matter where we go -- it all comes back to PRN

22:00:08 sendkathy Where have I been? What's more realtime than twitter?

22:00:09 CathyN what about PRphchst

22:00:11 djakes @shareski is a cyberbully

22:00:14 Durff you don't know vat good is!

22:00:17 Sue Waters (Australia) Unfortunately here @Vicki we don't have the long term set up for this to happen

22:00:19 Art Gelwicks @JSigler Many times they're happiest when they just know you are honestly interested in their needs and problems.

22:00:19 fiona_banjer I'd hold up my PC if it wasn't back at warehouse being repaired LOL

22:00:22 JenniferW SendKathy --- the IRC chat

22:00:23 Vicki Davis @Jomcleay -- I think it is a matter of being the best, no matter where we're located.

22:00:27 sendkathy Oh

22:00:32 ChrisLehmann I'm fortunately... I have an amaing faculty who all work their tails off.

22:00:41 traceymcgrath @Art in trying to set up a wiki with one of our reading coaches, my attitude was you give me the content and I'll handle the tech side. Otherwise the project will flop.

22:00:50 sharonp did someone drop the link in here about what we are talking about?

22:00:57 CathyN did anyone see where a yugma person via chris crafts blog thanked the edubloggers?

22:00:59 Vicki Davis @SueWaters -- I have been advocating things forever and now they are getting it. Actually, they take the magazines that have mentioned me and the school and are reading the other articles and going - Oh.

22:01:20 courosa i have a feeling it is just cool because it is different and new to some ... and of course, it is retro ... retro is cool.

22:01:22 fiona_banjer Yes Vicki, but it gets VERY frustrating continually being ridiculed for being a geek when you are really trying to show how something could be done so much better/easier/entertainingly etc.

22:01:57 Vicki Davis @fiona_banjer -- That is when I retreat. I'm not going to push anyone, however, I'm going to make my students so in love with what we're doing that they will talk talk talk and the other teachers will want to change.

22:02:02 Sue Waters (Australia) @jess read my post on Challenges 2008

22:02:06 cheryloakes wow show 57 good idea go watch arthus yea

22:02:09 CathyN me im considering moving on

22:02:15 khokanson truly change in action

22:02:17 khokanson :)

22:02:19 nzchrissy2 I hpe James doesn't ditch edublogs!

22:02:20 Durff after wow kristin

22:02:23 Vicki Davis @WoScholar it is important -- when people feel "left out" they become ready to change.

22:03:01 Vicki Davis I really believe it and see it. Anyone remember 1991-1993 -- well it is going to happen with blogging/ wikis 2008-2010.

22:03:02 glovely @vicki davis - as measured by?

22:03:02 CathyN clarification--CFarmer is trying to get me to STAY at edublogs cuz I hinted about leaving

22:03:02 lizbdavis @sroseman do the kids have to sighn in or sign up at tappedin?

22:03:20 fiona_banjer @Vicki Davis I agree and I am waiting for the holidays to finish so I can start again!! :D

22:03:20 WOScholar Sup told me to do my job and work with those that come to me. She came. Now she is on board, wants a MacBook, podcast blog. Already got her an iPod, digital camera, Google Docs account, etc.

22:03:25 Art Gelwicks Where did the time go?

22:03:28 Sue Waters (Australia) Understandably @Cthy he would want you to stay

22:03:30 sroseman There are two campuses at tappedin The educators and the K to 12 campus

22:03:39 Vicki Davis @glovely -- I believe that content creation by adults above aged 24 is going to skyrocket and when it skyrockets with their personal use, it will spillover into the classroom.

22:03:44 ChrisLehmann hey folks... feeling just under the weather enough to not stay in a chat room with anything to say... night everyone! :)

22:03:47 atruger DEN Rocks!!!!

22:03:51 JenniferW Thanks CHRIS

22:03:56 nzchrissy2 I can't believe how fast the hour went

22:04:00 Vicki Davis @glovely -- If you look at the Pew studies, you'll see that is starting to happen.

22:04:03 glovely ahhh the tipping point in content creation

22:04:18 djakes Thanks everyone

22:04:21 glovely just wasn't tracking on which part of the chat you were referring to

22:04:26 JenniferW Thanks everyone for coming

22:04:27 jomcleay This has been great

22:04:28 Durff do i see 50 in the chat room?

22:04:32 JenniferW good conversation

22:04:36 JenniferW will need to read the chat again

22:04:40 Vicki Davis @glovely and that is what we're talking, methods of content creation. I can't tell you how many people come in and say " Hey, I saw a blog on LA law or CSI last night."

22:04:40 cheryloakes wow show 57 Thanks to all in the chat room, look for it Thurs. Thanks to Tom for his great conversation!

22:04:45 jomcleay can't wait to see the chatlog later

22:04:49 cheryloakes wow show 57 Durff I counted 45 at one time.

22:04:55 Vicki Davis @glovely and then they say it must be legit.

22:04:55 megormi Thanks all, great conversation!

22:04:58 Linda Nitsche @ vickidavis Do you have a link for the Pew studies

22:04:59 paula DEN?

22:05:01 Vicki Davis @cheryl -- I saw 49 the one time I counted.

22:05:04 Durff ok, then i can't count

22:05:07 khokanson @jo can't gowait to hear this whole show

22:05:08 JenniferW Discovery Educator's Network

22:05:11 cheryloakes wow show 57 Thanks to new folks for stoppiong by, come back

22:05:14 paula Ohhh

22:05:14 atruger Discovery Educator NEtwork

22:05:16 Durff and i taught math

22:05:17 Vicki Davis Just a second Linda -- there is a recent one about the students that I put in delicious.

22:05:19 jomcleay @Kristin totally

22:05:20 Sue Waters (Australia) Shame it doesn't show the count like Elluminate or Ustream

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