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Quit deleting Dezanti Zhug, he is not fanon! Go to Dxun, he is the leader of the 3 Duros whose ship is shot down by Tobin, and he attacks you!JustinGann 21:34, 25 Dec 2005 (UTC)

He's not fanon, but I see no reason to separate him from the other Zhugs. - Sikon [Talk] 03:16, 26 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Because, its a list of all New Characters, including every single named character in the game. Two of the Zhug brothers are given names. Should all Mandalorians be listed just as "Mandalorians" under new characters, rather than their individual names? "Zhug brothers" is not a new character, it is an organization--they are not all really brothers.

I agree... I would delete anything that has not been officially published in books, games, etc... Even thought there is cut content, they should not be treated as cannon. There concept at the end can change. There may be other reasons why the cut content was removed. You never know, their whole concept could change drasticaly before they are published; therefore they should not be cannon... <MC>

M4-78 is considered canon because it was mentioned in Medstar: Intermezzo. However, the events on M4-78 that were cut from the game cannot be considered canon. Ace Venom 22:26, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC)

^^^^
I also believe that if M4-78 is not mentioned in the Star War's EU databank, they should not be considered canon. The Star Wars EU databank is monitored by Lucas, and he only recognizes very few stories as cannon. Therefore, any cut content is not cannon until Lucas recognizes them in his EU Databank... Until you read otherwise, I would not post anything that is not from the EU Databank...<MC>

The last I checked, the EU databank didn't have everything. Are you saying characters such as Zekk shouldn't be considered canon just because they aren't in the EU databank? Sorry, but that's a poor argument. I pretty much pointed out where M4-78 was referenced in canon. Ace Venom 22:40, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC)

At the moment, Zekk doesn't have any stories. He is only a supporting character. Plus Zekk was in the movies, so he is considered a Star Wars species. He doesn't need to be recognized by EU only by the main Star Wars Database.. M4-78 is EU, but it has not been recognized by the EU Database... <MC>

There are a great many supporting characters in the Databank. And besides, Zekk is a major character in the Dark Nest Trilogy. Face facts, the Databank is woefully incomplete, but the info it does have on there is canon. That doesn't mean any info not yet on there is not canon. Before they added General Grievous, was he not canon, just because he hadn't been added at that point? No. - Kwenn 22:52, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC)

I dissagree.... Until Lucas makes it official, by posting it up at the EU Databank, I would not consider it cannon. <MC>

But that's a minor quibble only. Until we are actually told M4-78 is canon, it's best to assume it is. Ace Venom 22:56, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC)

In case you hadn't noticed, the Databank is not maintained by Lucas himself. He's not that devoted to his Saga - Kwenn 22:57, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC)

It is not edited by Lucas, but he has the final say about what goes up on the Databank. Mara Jade was not recognized for many years. Lucas decided to make Mara EU Cannon, for her popularity and stories grew. M4-78 has not been recognized. Second, assumptions are from nieve thinking. Assumptions will only get you into trouble, Facts are facts... Until Lucas places them in the EU Databank, or make some statement about them, I would not consider them canon. Even though there are books on extensive EU characters, I would not consider them canon until Lucas makes them cannon. He is very biased and protective about his Star Wars universe... Don't make assumptions... <MC>

It's you who are making assumptions. Lucas does not regulate the Databank - it's added by the site webmasters, with content vetoed by Lucas Licensing - not the man himself. Trust me on this one; Lucas does not get that involved in the Saga. And have you noticed there are NO KotOR II entries on the Databank? Does that mean the entire game is non-canon? Or how about Rogue Squadron? And none of the film battles are on there either. Is the Battle of Yavin not canon now? - Kwenn 23:06, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Lucas does regulate the EU Databank. KotOR II has not been recognized, for there have been inside issues and politics about the series. There has been no official word as to the state of the KotOR Series. It is a well known factor that Lucas regulates what makes up Star Wars... Very well known... M4-78 is not in KotOR II. It was cut and remains on the cutting room floor. It is nothing! <MC>

Lucas is a movie writer and director. He is NOT a webmaster, and he does not have to veto every element of the Saga. Trust me, I know what I'm talking about. And yes, KotOR II has been recognised, because for one thing, it's in the New Essential Chronology. You're deluded - Kwenn 23:13, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC)

I can see that this debat is going no where... I would be very careful to tread on this issue. M4-78 is not cannon... Period... Please Note: I have read several EU books, and I don't consider them as cannon. Until they are recognized, they are just simple Star Wars stories that hold no weight to Lucas's vision of Star Wars... Therefore, they are not cannon... Period..<MC>

They are not canon from your point of view. But I agree, this will get us nowhere. However, please abide by the view of canon taken by the majority while posting on this Wiki; which is, anything that doesn't contradict the movies is canon - Kwenn 23:19, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Anything that is not recognized by the creator of Star Wars is not cannon. I would not make assumptions it shows the lack of logic...<MC>

I'm not making assumptions; that's the official canon policy adopted by LucasFilm, and also adopted by this site. You may not agree, but again, please abide by it over your own biased opinions - Kwenn 23:23, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Get over it man! It is what it is... All the Cut Content in this game is not Cannon... <MC>

Possibly. But wait a minute....information from cut scenes from all three prequel movies is in the Databank, so surely you must consider that canon? On second thoughts, don't answer that. Just leave it, kid, it's not worth it - Kwenn 23:26, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Please scroll up. I really don't care about the cut material in the game in this case. M4-78 is canon because it was mentioned in Medstar: Intermezzo. I already mentioned this. I figure any more debate here will yield nothing else. Ace Venom 23:41, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC)

At the moment, I am doing research on what Lucas Films considers cannon. I am looking up articles, statement, etc... Until we have a definitive answer, it would be unwise to consider any of the cut content as cannon... I will post my findings either way, and we will continue the debate.. I think we all need solid facts about what Lucas considers cannon...<MC>

Here is an intresting find, and I think it is connected to this site as well: http://www.answers.com/topic/star-wars-canon
It would apear that games are considered N-Canon... Therefore, KotOR II is not Canon at all... It also states references, which I will hit the library and find. G-Canon is absolute cannon. Only the various forms of the movies are considered absolute cannon. If this is the case, and since the cut content has not been in movies or has been completed, it is all considered non-canon. It says game stats, and anything that contridicts the Star Wars films. 'True Sith' is a contridiction to the films and foundation of STar Wars... They are mentioned in the KotOR series... Therefore, they are not cannon...<MC>

Just a quick nitpick: answers.com is a mirror of Wikipedia. It is no more an official source than this wiki. Besides, that article refers to games as being generally C-canon, with the exception of gameplay mechanics -LtNOWIS 01:44, 6 Jan 2006 (UTC)

What is intresting it that this debate is about "Cut Content'... I have to submit that games are considered C-Cannon... N-Connon covers game stats... Now, M4-78 is mentioned in a magazine. There is question about if it is cannon or not... After heavy debate, I can only say that it is inconclusive. However, it is very clear that the other 'Cut Content' is not cannon. Since the current state of the 'Cut Content' is on the cutting room floor, there can not be anything to support it as cannon. If the 'Cut Content' was built in game, and was apart of the final product, then it would be considered C-Cannon. Since this is not the case, the 'Cut Content' "can not" be considered cannon in it's current condition. In order for the 'Cut Content' to be considered cannon, it has to meet the following: "It must be a 'completed piece', which belongs to a type of media: Movies, Games, Books, etc. If the 'Cut Content' was apart of the game, and was not deleted, then it would be considered cannon. <MC>

Anyone else notice how this turned into somthing like a climactic arguement from one of the movies?lol NaruHina 04:14, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

I just want to point out that the "cut content" in KotoR2 primarily isn't content left out due to a change of design. The vast majority of it was cut due to the fact that the game was rushed through development so that it could be finished in under a year. The wikipedia entry explains it in a bit more detail and there's hundreds of threads on the Obsidian Entertainment forum about it. Cut content should be put in articles as "potential canon" imho such as in the background sections of their specific character/world articles. Which it seems has been done on quite a few of the characters already. --Cory--

You said something that I do agree with... If the 'Cut Content' is put on the page, it should be put under a heading that says "Potential Cannon"... Yes, I can agree with this. However, I would put an explination about why it is considered 'Potential Cannon'. -Or, 'Unofficial (Fan) Cannon'... As long as it is not taken or labled as 'Absolute Cannon', I can see this as a resolution to this problem. When it becomes 'Official Cannon', the header can be removed... I would bot mention anything about the 'Restoration Teams', for they do not hold a licsence for this game. There could be legal matters involved...<MC>

Is it me, or is <MC> a Supershadow freak or what? User:RushinSundaws 8:08, 27 February 2006

It's just you

Just as a side note to <MC> I believe it's canon, a "cannon" goes boom, canon does not. I believe another user pointed this out on another talk page so this is giving credit to you because i forgot your username SSupa 05:11, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Shouldn't there be a "cut content" section for this game? No, it's not canon in any way (except for G0-T0's death), and I'm not questioning that, but all the cut content in this game is one of the things it is most renowned or notorious for. It seems somehow negligent or incomplete to not mention in relation to the game's development and release considering the sheer amount of discussion and controversy this has generated since its release. Case in point - http://www.gamespy.com/articles/588/588057p1.html . Somehow I feel Wookieepedia's entry on this game should reflect this even if it's a touchy subject. Jediphile 15:52, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Cut content sections are encouraged and practically standardized at this point. It's just that no one has written one for this article. If you'd like to create one, be bold. NaruHinaTalk14px 22:08, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Correct me if I'm wront, but as far as I know it has never been said that Revan disappeared to fight the Sith Empire. This would also be kind of strange, since if you choose to tell the game that it's predecessor ended with a Dark Side victory (which is possible with the dialogues at the beginning) this would make no sense at all. Above all: the stuff that Kreia was talking about, that "unknown threat" cannot be the Sith Empire, simply because everyone knows they are around.
If you want my opinion, Revan set out to look for the Yuuzhan Vong. Several hints to the Yuuzhan Vong can be found in the game, Revan knows of these hints, and to me this is the most logical assumption. Any thoughts on this one? Tulon 16:45, 23 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Wasn't there an even older Sith Empire that was lost?
also what hints? i didn't notice any
Hopefuly the next game (are they making one?) will be about where Revan went, and you'll be able to play as both Revan and The Exile.
Tyler [no account yet]

No, Revan went looking for the First Sith Empire (the one of Naga Sadow and Tulak Hord etc.) And it does still make sense if Revan fell to the dark-side. He'd want to remove the First Sith Empire as a threat to his Sith EMpire for a start. If you play the game through properly and pay attention it all makes sense. Jasca Ducato 14:46, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

I like the Vong theory, as we may suppose that Canderous had a run-in with a Vong scout-ship, but Revan did go after the "Old Sith." He perceived it a great threat. That's actually the reason he attacked the Old Republic. He didn't see them as strong enough to ward off such an immense threat, and wanted to unite them under a strong Sith banner. He didn't want the destruction of the Republic, as evidenced by Malak giving the order to destroy Telos and Canderous convincing Carth that it was actually Malak instead of Revan.--PhilCarr 14:13, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Just a thought, I think that the video games listed here should be written in third person views of walkthroughs (canon version). Of course all second person (you kill a few sith and open a door) wouldn't be acceptable. This page would be written as a third person walkthrough of a male Jedi that follows the path to the light as a (insert canon Jedi type here, not sure if he was a guardian, consular, or sentinel). Sounds great to me.--PhilCarr 14:13, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Reven is canonicly Female not Male but I agree about the 3rd person views.--Master Plo Koon 14:39, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

i dont like the idea of referring to the exile as female. just because some obscure droid book referred to the exile as a "heroine" he/she shall now be forever referred to as female? and when is it assumed that the exile or revan choses the path of the light side? wouldn't it be best if both paths were treated as being just as likely to occur?

It has been stated in Destiny's Way that Vergere was the one to bring the vong upon the galaxy 50 years prior to when they actually invaded, so 4000 years before that there would be no Vong anywhere near the Star Wars Galaxy. 68.190.218.41 01:37, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

I haven't read that book, does the author state that, or does the character say it? Because Canderous's possible run-in with the Vong could have easily been lost over the ages. And to whomever deemed the Exile male, where does it say that? We only have a source for the female one to work with, even if the male story is more interesting. Darth Zaktius 01:56, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

I've been playing KOTOR II a lot, noticing bugs, and reading all this stuff about the deleted content, and an idea popped in mind. LucasArts is a little scared that there might not be a KOTOR III due to the bad reviews of KOTOR II because of everything that was deleted and bugged. My idea is: what if Obsidion went back, fixed the bugs, added the popular deleted content, and released a re-mastered and restored version of KOTOR II? It would definately boost sales and fans will grovel for a KOTOR III. Jedi Striker 16:57, 01 October 2006 (UTC)

LucasArts and Obsidian have both moved on from KOTOR II. I'd be in complete shock if anything else was done. And besides, Lucasarts had already turned down the idea of a Content patch. And LucasArts knows as well as anybody that releasing KOTOR III will be a hit no matter what they did or didn't do. Also, fans are groveling for KOTOR III anyway. --RedemptionTalk15px 21:16, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

This may be true, but a group of people under the name of Team Gizca, have been restoring the game. Jeust wanted to mention that. User: Uric Dracus 09:20, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes, what Team Gizka is doing is excellent, but I don't think their additions will be considered canon. Unless, of course, those cut bits are mentioned in a future game or something. Then we can add it here. VictoryClassWoman 02:48, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

The only thing that can be considered canon that TG is restoring is the Goto/Remote scene and that at best is ambiguous. --Redemption20pxTalk 02:55, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Team Gizka is also bringing back the HK-50 Factory, that should be considered canon as HK-47 mentions in the game, it is only not included because LucasArts rushed Obsidian Entertainment. ~Mike Que-Kara

Just for the kotor fans that don't already know at Joystiq it was confirmed that there will be a KOTOR III. Do you think it could be about Revan and the Exile fighting the Sith or even possibly Revan's and/or the Exile's backstory?(preferrably and, or Revan) Let me kow what you think. -- Darth Nezzera

I happy to hear dat, when will it come out i loved the first and tried to play it as many times as i could cause i hadnt bought the 2nd one. now i got it and i like it. i think it will be baout some other jedi's but with some plot involved with revan and the exile, and some of the previous characters too. who knows we might run into mission from the first game.–—hio

There is someting you should know that an new MMO is comming out that explanes what Revan Did, and why he went to the outer regions it is called Star Wars: The Old Republic. For he went to combat the True Sith hidden on an uncharted planet called Dromund Kaas. Go to the websight swtor.com for more info. signed 98.26.77.153 21:01, January 20, 2010 (UTC) Dar'yaim

I read this article and noticed that in the "plot summary" section, the Exile is consistently referred to in third person plural. Shouldn't it be third person singular ("she", not "they"), being that the Exile is confirmed to canonically be female, or is it simply meant as a technical plot summary retelling the story of both the male and female storyline? I was just wondering; the article for Knights Of The Old Republic 1 refers to Revan as male, after all, following the canonical establishment. Mediatingmentor 13:41, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

I think that's cause no one has rewritten the plot summary to conform to the new information regarding the Exile's gender. --Imp 13:43, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Would it be okay for me to do so, then? --Mediatingmentor 13:48, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Why of course, this is a wiki after all! Welcome, by the way! I'll throw up some links that should prove informative on your talk page. --Imp 13:50, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

The plot summaries were written by different people. This one was written by me, and frankly, I'd prefer it unchanged. It's an OOU article, and changing Exile's gender may give the person looking for game information the false impression that Exile's gender isn't customizable. I think the K1 plot summary should be changed to gender-neutral, too. - Sikon 14:05, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

But hold on, as wikipedians aren't we supposed to give as canonical an article as possible. The Exile is canonically female and there is a note above the synopsis that states that the Exile is customizeable. And for the record, the article wasn't neutral when I took a look through it. At some points it referred to her as both male and female which could be more confusing than just sticking to one gender throughout. NaruHina 04:05, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

The walkthrough is written from 1 point of view out of the 6 (LS/Neutral/DS Male LS/Neutral/DS female) and makes many game choices seem as if they are fixed. This could give people who have not actually played the game wrong impressions about what actually happens, and if someone is trying to actually play the game off this, they would probably have trouble.Azzt Rhell 20:20, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

The Jedi Exile was actually supposed to be male when kotor 2 prototype version came out then they cut it and changed the Exile gender in to female. —Unsigned comment by219.73.119.223 (talk • contribs).

The Exile was never canonically male. Promotional material did feature a male Exile, but this was more of an attempt to appeal to what was perceived as the game's target audience than any sort of official statement as to the Exile's gender. It's not Obsidian's decision anyway. Kebla 18:54, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Is it true that they practice with as little clothes as possible, or something to that effect? If so, can i have some pictures? I don't mean this as a pervert, this is the only thing keeping my mother from getting me this game.Thanks! Ciago92 16:31, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, you and Brianna basically fight in nothing but underwear. I don't have the game installed at the moment, though, so I can't post a picture. Try asking at WP:IR. - Sikon 05:07, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

I think the image of Peragus II should be brightened some. On my computer, it looks like a bunch of dark brown and black with some blue-green and a white box. Is there supposed to be more detail? Geekboy42 00:57, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

That's just your computer or internet connection. It looks fine to me. -Bredd13

Does anyone object to changing the alphabet headings of the added content section to just bold letters? It's wasting space in the table of contents. Bredd13 04:22, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

I object to it. Having it on the table of contents makes it easier to edit. - Yoshi626 23:09, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

As you wish. --Bredd13 (I am not logged on)

Ok, how about this? We leave the headings, but place some pictures next to the table of contents (only one or two), so that it isn't blank space. We could do the same for the blank space in the Added Content section (pictures of added content). Bredd13 22:06, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Do we have any idea as to the order she visited them in? I was thinking about that one part where your looking at the old record of your exile from the Jedi Order and it lists the Jedi Masters one by one. prehaps that's the order she locates them in? could someone pull up a dlg tlk file? Valin "Tnu" "Shido" Suul 20:59, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

When the Exile finds the sarcophagus of Ludo Kressh on Korriban, she finds a vision of Darth Revan wielding two lightsabers. In the first Knights of the Old Republic, Revan (when he is shown in flashbacks as a Sith Lord) only has one.

But if you go to Revan's page his picture shows him wielding two lightsabers for his main picture.

This is kind-of off topic for this but I got through the Caves without losing a challange and standing next to Revan was my charachter's darkside sprite. Its target designation was "Dark Jedi." Is this canon or a glitch because when I got closer it disappeared. NaruHinaTalk20px 05:33, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

To my knowledge, he uses the same weapons you use. I'm pretty sure that if you had, say, a double bladed lightsaber, he would have one as well.--71.112.92.153 15:44, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

i think there should be a section shows all the generic unnamed enemies ye fight (e.g. sith trooper or generic sith lord on dxun). obviously with some pics. incidentaly i cant find a pick of them unnamed sith lords, where might i find one?

Buy the game, then take screenshots. --ForceWound 18:44, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

I'v had kotor 2 for ages and ages however I would sometimes get into a conversation and then get a good point and a evil point but sometimes i would get a third picter saying force net change i dont under stand what dose this mean. User:Kami-Sama, By the way sorry for the wordy question it's jus i dont no how to explain it better.

First off, this isn't the place to ask these questions. Might be better to try a site that is directly related to gaming with walkthroughs and all that junk. Second, it means that when you get both DS and LS points, the net change is what you get the most of. --Redemption20pxTalk 13:34, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

What happens if you kill all three Jedi masters before you visit the rebuilt enclave? Do you have to go there, or not, and what happens to Kreia, does she leave for the polar academy? Any explanation would be very helpful.

If you kill them all you talk to Kreia and she says that now that the Sith have revealed themselves all remaining Jedi will gather at Dantooine. You go there but there is no one there (Even though Bastila is still alive). Then Kreia talks to you and says she is disappointed in you for falling or something (Sorry I can't remember) and force chokes you (I think) that makes you unconcious. She then goes on and on until she leaves and the Exile wakes up and you automatically learn Force Choke. You then go to the Ebon Hawk where you tell Atton that Kreia is evil. Atton tells you she has gone to the Polar Academy (She takes Handmaiden if you have her) and she said you died. The Mysterious Droid 03:38, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Actually, When Kreia leaves the player unconscious in the Jedi Enclave, upon awakening, the player learns Force Crush, not force choke. Also, earlier in the conversation with Kreia after discovering an empty Enclave Chamber, Kreia regards the player and his/her actions as a failure no matter what you say in that conversation. Any conversation choice will lead to her telling the player that he/she has utterly failed her and her teachings and subsequently renders the player unconscious. --ForceWound 18:42, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Where do you go to get a crystal for a purple light saber? - 68.14.17.81 1-18-08 - 11:58pm

First of all, sign your comments. Secondly, almost all of the items in the game spawn randomly across the board, so there is no way to pinpoint a violet crystal in any particular box. If you go to the crystal caves on dantooine and don't find one in the Kinrath den, then you're prolly not gonna find one on your own. However, you could always cheat... thus achieving your goal immediately with little effort. To Cheat your way into getting a violet crystal, you must do the following: Press the Tilda button (~) then type: giveitem then a space, then type: u_l_colo_05 then hit enter. It should be like this: ~giveitem u_l_colo_05

I belive the Salvage shop run by the woman at the Salvager Camp has a purple crystal for sale. NaruHina 03:57, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

when you type the cheat, however, the text does NOT read on the screen, as was in KOTOR I. So what you're typing will not show up visually. To make sure you did it right, just check your items and look for the violet crystal in your inventory. --ForceWound 05:16, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

ok forcewound, i have a question:

where would you use the cheat? because theres nowhere for me to type on a xbox...

Ive been looking all over 2 find a lightsabre lens do you guys know were to find one (the lens needed 2 make a lighsabre not an upgrade lens)?

I'm pretty sure you can't just find any of the parts needed to construct the lightsaber, since all of the items in the game that appear in the containers are random. I think you have to actually complete some missions to get the needed parts. --ForceWound 22:23, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

"We’ve just gotten the first official snippet of news about a Knights of the Old Republic sequel in ages, with a recent EA Analyst’s report indicating that not only is Bioware making another Mass Effect, Dragon Gate and a new, untitled MMO, they’re also working on a KOTOR game."

"The analyst from Electronic Arts also stated though thaat BioWare is currently in control of a new Knights of the Old Republic title. This is huge news as this basically confirms the existence of a KOTOR 3 for the next-gen consoles.

It is known that BioWare and LucasArts were working on a new project, and KOTOR appears to be it!"

There are plenty more were that came from. (- -) 09:59, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

No, it's not a confirmation. Get past the hype and note the only official statement in quotes that I've seen.

"The slide in John's presentation is titled 'Best Creative Talent'--it addresses future and past titles," EA told Shacknews. "KOTOR, Black, Boogie, Skate and some other titles on the slide speak to past portfolio releases and the pedigree of the studio but do not specifically address future sequels."

So, no, we know nothing more than we already did. BioWare may be making KOTOR III. But they also may not be. For that matter Obsidian might be making it. Or nobody might be making it all. I've seen stuff like this before. Don't get your hopes up through the misinterpretation of a document that includes past, present, and future titles. --Niirfa-sa 19:49, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, but just because that particular report doesn't confirm it, doesn't mean that no other report does. Don't assume that everything those links talked about is from what you are talking about. (- -) 01:17, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Check your sources. From the first one: "BioWare was also listed as developers on an upcoming Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic game, which is not an MMO." From the second one: "with a recent EA Analyst’s report indicating that not only is Bioware making another Mass Effect, Dragon Gate and a new, untitled MMO, they’re also working on a KOTOR game." These both take their evidence from the analyst's report but this was revealed, as I noted above, as a misreading - as the analyst themselves said. Here's from the last one: "There is no fact to this yet as it is still all a rumor, no confirmation has come from the EA camp officially." Note that it admits it is a rumor.

And no need to say sorry. I'd be happy to see a KOTOR III as well. But these aren't confirmations. They're rumors.--Niirfa-sa 18:43, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Also check this report. Everything EA has officially said on the subject says it was a mistake. It's possible they're lying. But either way it's not a confirmation. http://play.tm/story/16168 --Niirfa-sa 18:49, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

The name Kumas under Kreia leads to a person from NJO. I'd fix it myself but I'm not actually sure if he was in the game or not. Does anyone know? If so, fix it. NaruHinaTalk20px 22:42, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

I'll delete it on the tenth if no one knows. NaruHinaTalk20px 00:40, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

The dates clearly don't fit, so I guess we have two individuals sharing the same name... another Kumas article should be created in order to fix this. Too bad I haven't KotoR2 at the place i'm being now :/ - Invock 03:58, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

I guess, but I don't remember him so, should I, or someone else, make it a red link? NaruHinaTalk20px 05:16, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

It was supposed to be Kumus. I fixed it. Kebla 05:48, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

i would love to buy, and play, the first one, but every time i try to buy it on amazon.com i get the one i have, kotorII. so ill keep trying to get the first one, that is if i can before the third comes out, which i know it is, talkshows hosts/gamers talked about a confirmed release of kotorIII in E3 '08 live, in case u were wondering, the game will be released in 2009.

This is not the place for stuff like this. We use this page to talk about improving the article. Not how great it would be to have the previous game. Also, if i'm not mistaken, the KotORIII your talking about is an MMORPG thats coming out. NaruHinaTalk20px 06:09, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm new here, so I didn't want to edit this directly, but the "Further Adventures" section makes references to the various characters you may meet in the game, whether you are male/female and light/dark. Since the synopsis starts with a statement that it is written from the view of a female Exile who is lightside, shouldn't this section make reference only to the characters you meet if you are a female lightside reference? --AnnatarLotW 21:27, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes, you are right. The synopsis section should be written from the point of view of a LSF Exile. The sections of the game dealing with a DS or male Exile would be placed into the continuity section. Please feel free to edit this article, since it is missing information. If you would like a bit of reference, you can look at the article for Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic. It is nearly complete. Cylka-talk- 21:49, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

I believe that Tulon's hypothesis is a good theory, but incorrect. If Revan had just been done returning to the light side, he might have felt that at was his duty to subdue the very evil he returned to the universe. I only think this is true because I think that the story of Revan is one of redemption, not of revenge. Tell me what you think, Tulon. JawaPunter

Please do not discuss unverified hypothesis on talk pages. They are to be used for the discussion of improvements to the article and Original Research and POV, i.e. that he might have done such-and-such and opinions on the story, are not allowed in articles anyway. NaruHinaTalk14px 03:47, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

You might want to include a rough section of criticism, as I know a few guys who simply refuse to accept KOTOR 2 as being Canon (mostly because of it's crypticness and vague storyline) 75.157.11.107 21:46, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunatelty for them, it is canon. No ifs ands or buts. Also, new posts go to the bottom of talk pages. NaruHinaTalk14px 22:38, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

In that case, do enlighten me as to what the HELL was going on with Atris, as she seems to attack you for no reason.
Please also explain exactly what Kreia's "evil plan" was. Otherwise, it isn't canon, it's noise. 75.157.11.107 03:39, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

I noticed this article has little to no info about its characters. the article for its prequel had an excellent focus on its cast and even included information that would otherwise require multiple play-throughs (which is what I'm looking for). At the very least does anyone know where i can find info about KotOR characters? --White Chocolate 17:17, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

That kind of information on your party can be found here. NaruHinaTalk14px 16:44, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

In KotOr 2, when you go to Korriban, you can find a SITH holocron. And Bastilla made that holocron! She said something about Revan's Disappearance. She said many of the sith tried to use the starforge after Revan gone, but they failed... In KotOR 1 If you choose the dark side path, the starforge will remain functional. So is it possible that Revan choose the dark side, but he leave his empire, and go to the Unknown regions and Bastilla takes his place briefly? What if the dark side ending is the canon!It could be amazing!!! Anyone from the team made KOTOR 1 said what is the canon?
Canon or non-canon, this is the question! And I'm not speculating! I realy would like to know the answer!

Maybe, only maybe I'm wrong because I Play the game in my languge not in english.
Oh, and sorry for the bad grammar if I made mistakes...:-)

Actually, you can only access that holocron if you play the dark side path. As well, in several reference books such as the The New Essential Chronology have stated that the light-sided path is canon. NaruHinaTalk14px 08:50, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm...Intresting. Anyway I did not know that I'm playing on the dark side in KOTOR 2. I'm very kind with the people in the game... can't you find that holocron if you are light sided? I mean I think blowing up a door can't lead to the dark side. except if the hatred againts the door is enough strong! :-)
Oh, I didn't login...sorry! Darth K'almar

Indirectly, yes. (Which was a very stupid move by Obsidian, IMO, when they have the technology to make it simply not exist if Revan was light-sided) However, since you cannot access it and Bastila is seen as a Jedi at the end of the game (if you play it as Revan being light-sided), the holocron was not made by her. The only way the holocron is made by her is if you state Revan was dark-sided and you play dark-sided, which are both non-canon. NaruHinaTalk14px 22:40, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

I do not understand. If you have conversation with (for example) Atton, And you state that Revan was light sided, you can't find that holocron. Am I right? Because when you met Atton in the prison on Peragus, he said something about Revan. He said after Revan defeated Malak he went to Korriban to unify the sith.hmmm... but no matter. Long live for light side canon!!:-)
Oh and another thing:where and/or when can You decide that you are playing on light or dark side? I played for 5 days when I realized that I'm dark sided!:-)

If you state that Revan was light-sided, and you play light-sided, you can find the holocron but you cannot access it. Aside from the reasons she didn't make it by going by canon, the point is that Bastila didn't make it because in the message it talks about how the Dark Lord Revan went to fight his unknown threat, when canonically he became a Jedi again and the Prodical Knight. Also, if you find the holocron intact, non-canon, the message is different and Bastila isn't talking. NaruHinaTalk14px 16:42, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh, thank You! I understand now. I don't want to be pretentious, but when or where can you decide between the light and drak side? I would like to know, because I want to play it on the light side.

It depends on weather or not you kill the Jedi Masters. If you do the game will end with you becoming the new Dark Lord, if you save the Masters you will follow Revan into the unknown reigons. Jayden Matthews 18:31, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. On Onderon If you help general Vaklu you have to kill Kavar.Should I help the queen? Because Kavar is on her side. Oh, And if i kill Visas marr, when I duel with her, Will I stand to the dark side? This is an evil thing isn't it?

This isn't the place to as general questions about the game. You can read the articles to find this info but if you kill Visas, you get dark side points (these's a neutral way to kill her too, I think) and if you support Vaklu the second time you are on Onderon, you end up fighting and killing Kavar. NaruHinaTalk14px 01:41, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

The link at the bottom of the page for Force Powers lists Fury, but when you click on it it goes to the novel not the power. then when you click on Disambiguate at the top of that page, Fury isnt listed as a power. In fact, there is not even an article for this power. Brevin5 23:55, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

Why do people even argue with the creators of stuff about what what should be? I mean, seriously people. If they created the game and story, what gives us the right to tell them they're wrong!?! I fully acknowledge the fact that the exile is female. It actually kind of makes more sense.I played as a guy in KOTOR 2, but thats because that's what I prefered. I have two friends who are big fans of the KOTOR series and they played as the guy ONCE in KOTOR 2 and played as the girl in every subsequent playthrough because they thought it was better. AND THEY'RE BOTH GUYS. We have no right to tell the creators of KOTOR they were wrong for picking the girl over the guy as the canonical storyline. Also, I'm a guy and i think that because of all the male heroes make gaming one giant sausage fest. The creators are NOT wrong, YOU ARE!!! You Nerds. Seriously, though if all you have to do is complain about the realisticness of fictional works, then you seriously need to GET A LIFE! IT'S NOT REAL! (sorry if this is long)--Tsquirrel9 17:59, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

The game writers did not choose the canonical Exile to be female. Lucasfilm official did. And who exactly is arguing with the creators here? MauserComlink 18:17, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

kotor 2 is none canon, and thus should be stated on the main page. I will not put the article up because it will obvious be seen as spam. But under stand, The old republic basically states the game never happened. while bio ware being the creators of the first game and a foundation of many things still used to day. I state that we should put out a "this is not canon" in the beginning of the page. Also i considered the game as alternate universe game.—Unsigned comment byMetallavery (talk • contribs).

Unless you have a source stating it is not canon, it is canon. Also see what is said about Canon and games. And lastly, sign your posts as explained at top of the page. –Tm_T(Talk) 14:13, March 11, 2011 (UTC)

Wouldn't the Jedi Exile's ability to form attachments very easily with other people signify a strong connection to the Living Force? If so then why was this not posted at the Jedi Exile's "Powers and Abilities" section?
72.68.154.112 21:31, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

According to the book of Karpyshyn, Revan's traveling on Malachor V and learning from Kreia wasn't. But in the game Kreia says that before his departure into the Unknown Regions, Revan came to her. He realized that he had nothing to learn from the Jedi. So what is canon now? Russ 1:02, August 2, 2012 (UTC)

I think you forgot a word in there somewhere, because I can't even figure out what the question is asking...please clarify and we'll see what we can do! — DigiFluid(Whine here) 19:27, August 1, 2012 (UTC)

I believe what he is trying to say is that with Karpyshyn's book Revan no longer travels to Malachor V to learn from Kreia, since he realized there was nothing to learn from the Jedi. He is asking if it is still canon that Revan goes to Malachor V. DarthRevan1173 (talk) 19:42, August 1, 2012 (UTC)

I have not read the book, but Kreia had to come in contact with him to pass the Ebon Hawk so Surik could use it in KOTOR2. If the book does not give an alternate explaination for how Surik got the craft, then there is no continuity issue; that visit was just omitted in the novel. NaruHinaTalk 22:42, August 1, 2012 (UTC)

T3 spends 5 years repairing the Hawk on Nathema after Revan's crash and capture, since the state of the planet made it hard for him to fix the ship. He then piloted it himself to find Kreia, who then took it to Peragus to find Surik. But I think the anon was talking about before the Jedi Civil War, a question I've asked myself. Revan himself essentially says that he and Malak were not dark until they were defeated by the Emperor. Revan found some hints about Vitiate's Empire on Malachor during the war, but it was Mandalore's dying words that sent the two to Rekkiad, Nathema, and then Dromund Kaas in an attempt to destroy the Emperor. They took their fleet with them, but left them behind just before going to Rekkiad. According to Revan himself, it was Vitiate who turned them, but they broke free after being sent to investigate the Rakata ruins which they had discovered on Dantooine during the war. CadeCalrayn 23:19, August 1, 2012 (UTC)

Kreia trained Revan as a Jedi, never as a Sith. Before the Mandalorian Wars, as Revan was a Knight by then. According to her article—sourced to the KOTOR CG— she was thrown out of the Order because the Revanchists went to war and it was after that that she turned to the dark side. So she was dark and establishing her Academy on Malachor V while they went galavanding off into the Unknown Regions. As I recall, the only mention in the game of him visiting her on Malachor V was when she established that he gave her the Hawk and the droids. NaruHinaTalk 02:07, August 2, 2012 (UTC)

I noticed that someone started making main character descriptions for this article, which is all well and good, but the picture given for the Exile shouldn't be the one it is now. There is no option in the game to make her look like that. If any picture is shown at all, it should be one from the actual game. --74.244.89.12 01:52, October 18, 2013 (UTC)

Well, although that's her canon appearance, there's no KOTOR II model that makes her look like that. It's not like Revan where you can identify him as the Mullet Dude from his appearance in TOR. There's really no other option. IFYLOFD(Enter the Floydome) 01:57, October 18, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe, but I still think that it should be nothing rather than that. --74.244.89.12 12:12, October 18, 2013 (UTC)

New idea: On the Exile's page, there's the picture that shows the different appearances the player can choose for her. Maybe you can use that... --74.244.89.12 13:18, October 18, 2013 (UTC)