Oh_Enough_Already:The #1 reason women hate vain men is because the more time men spend looking at themselves, the less often women can complain about being ogled and "eye raped" and such, especially considering the amount of time they spend at the gym, the hair salon, etc making themselves as ogglable and eye rapable as possible. If they can't get outraged by the attention they set out to generate, where's the payoff? Whar?

I always giggle a bit when fatties get manicures, pedicures, and hairdo-s. Want to look pretty? RUN A LAP!

PsiChick:Has anyone read the article? Anyone? It's the one at the top of the page, where they actually say it's a double standard and wrong, because, stunningly enough, feminism has always held that sexist beliefs are as damaging to men as women, which TFA has a great example of.

/Of course, for the average person in this thread to understand feminism, they'd need basic literacy first...

They also have to understand that the popularization and turnabout of certain aspects of feminism is a detriment. That feminists don't want more rights than men, they want a fair starting place, and those that who do want more rights aren't into equality. They believe feminazis just want to flip the gender roles: have one gender dominate the other unfairly, and then lash out at the dominant force. Maybe some do, and maybe that's the track feminism has taken right now. But it's not the original belief, that - to paraphrase you - what benefits women also benefits men. Let's try to get back to that.

Yogimus:Oh_Enough_Already: The #1 reason women hate vain men is because the more time men spend looking at themselves, the less often women can complain about being ogled and "eye raped" and such, especially considering the amount of time they spend at the gym, the hair salon, etc making themselves as ogglable and eye rapable as possible. If they can't get outraged by the attention they set out to generate, where's the payoff? Whar?

I always giggle a bit when fatties get manicures, pedicures, and hairdo-s. Want to look pretty? RUN A LAP!

And what's the deal with those stupid glasses they wear nowadays? Ooh! You're making such a bold statement!

WhippingBoy:Yogimus: Oh_Enough_Already: The #1 reason women hate vain men is because the more time men spend looking at themselves, the less often women can complain about being ogled and "eye raped" and such, especially considering the amount of time they spend at the gym, the hair salon, etc making themselves as ogglable and eye rapable as possible. If they can't get outraged by the attention they set out to generate, where's the payoff? Whar?

I always giggle a bit when fatties get manicures, pedicures, and hairdo-s. Want to look pretty? RUN A LAP!

And what's the deal with those stupid glasses they wear nowadays? Ooh! You're making such a bold statement!

And lip piercings on deucers. Looks like you have a tick hanging off your jowl.

PsiChick:Has anyone read the article? Anyone? It's the one at the top of the page, where they actually say it's a double standard and wrong, because, stunningly enough, feminism has always held that sexist beliefs are as damaging to men as women, which TFA has a great example of.

/Of course, for the average person in this thread to understand feminism, they'd need basic literacy first...

Yeah, it's not like this is a forum who's mascot is a squirrel with giant testicles. I expect more from you Fark. Algonquin Round Table more.

Duck_of_Doom:PsiChick: Has anyone read the article? Anyone? It's the one at the top of the page, where they actually say it's a double standard and wrong, because, stunningly enough, feminism has always held that sexist beliefs are as damaging to men as women, which TFA has a great example of.

/Of course, for the average person in this thread to understand feminism, they'd need basic literacy first...

They also have to understand that the popularization and turnabout of certain aspects of feminism is a detriment. That feminists don't want more rights than men, they want a fair starting place, and those that who do want more rights aren't into equality. They believe feminazis just want to flip the gender roles: have one gender dominate the other unfairly, and then lash out at the dominant force. Maybe some do, and maybe that's the track feminism has taken right now. But it's not the original belief, that - to paraphrase you - what benefits women also benefits men. Let's try to get back to that.

It's not the track feminism has taken even remotely, actually, most feminists are focusing on things like the ME or getting a sane number of women\minorities\generally non-turtle people in our government. It's starting to become the economic trend for low-income areas--girls are more likely to be breadwinners, try to be superwoman, guys are more likely to live off girlfriends--but that's not actually an application of any sort of feminism.

Part of the problem is people like this:

Oh_Enough_Already:The #1 reason women hate vain men is because the more time men spend looking at themselves, the less often women can complain about being ogled and "eye raped" and such, especially considering the amount of time they spend at the gym, the hair salon, etc making themselves as ogglable and eye rapable as possible. If they can't get outraged by the attention they set out to generate, where's the payoff? Whar?

Who really have no idea how the world works anyway and want to blame women for their own sexual urges.

PsiChick:Duck_of_Doom: PsiChick: Has anyone read the article? Anyone? It's the one at the top of the page, where they actually say it's a double standard and wrong, because, stunningly enough, feminism has always held that sexist beliefs are as damaging to men as women, which TFA has a great example of.

/Of course, for the average person in this thread to understand feminism, they'd need basic literacy first...

They also have to understand that the popularization and turnabout of certain aspects of feminism is a detriment. That feminists don't want more rights than men, they want a fair starting place, and those that who do want more rights aren't into equality. They believe feminazis just want to flip the gender roles: have one gender dominate the other unfairly, and then lash out at the dominant force. Maybe some do, and maybe that's the track feminism has taken right now. But it's not the original belief, that - to paraphrase you - what benefits women also benefits men. Let's try to get back to that.

It's not the track feminism has taken even remotely, actually, most feminists are focusing on things like the ME or getting a sane number of women\minorities\generally non-turtle people in our government. It's starting to become the economic trend for low-income areas--girls are more likely to be breadwinners, try to be superwoman, guys are more likely to live off girlfriends--but that's not actually an application of any sort of feminism.

Part of the problem is people like this:

Oh_Enough_Already: The #1 reason women hate vain men is because the more time men spend looking at themselves, the less often women can complain about being ogled and "eye raped" and such, especially considering the amount of time they spend at the gym, the hair salon, etc making themselves as ogglable and eye rapable as possible. If they can't get outraged by the attention they set out to generate, where's the payoff? Whar?

Who really have no idea how the world works anyway and want t ...

You do realize you're the laughing stock of Fark, don't you? I applaud your efforts, but every time I see you post, I feel bad for you.

JohnnyC:Yes, we know feminists... You think everything men do is wrong.

The complete histrionic overreaction to Seth MacFarlane's job hosting the Oscars was proof positive of this fact. And the sad thing is that the overreaction still continues whenever a man points out how stupid (or utterly schadenfreudily* hilarious) the overreaction has been.

Go look at a picture of Bohener. Not sure how you spell his name, but the dude's been pretty influential in determining Republican policy, and Republican policy's been pissing off almost everyone, including feminists.

the ha ha guy:PsiChick: Well, that's very special, but reading the article would have helped you realize that, no, in this case they are actually promoting 'all humans are equal' feminism, so...

Jezebel is to gender-equality what Fox News is to political compromise.

Both have the capability of being factually accurate, but more often than not they give a higher precedence to promoting their agenda.

And when Fox News actually manages to report things accurately, then we discuss the actual content of the article, not imaginary content based off a quote given in the article. Maybe one or two people go 'Faux News herpa derp', but this is a thread where nothing is happening except the Nice Guy Brigade storming out screaming at clouds because they can't seem to comprehend that this is one article where Jezebel is agreeing with them.

Go look at a picture of Bohener. Not sure how you spell his name, but the dude's been pretty influential in determining Republican policy, and Republican policy's been pissing off almost everyone, including feminists.

the ha ha guy: PsiChick: Well, that's very special, but reading the article would have helped you realize that, no, in this case they are actually promoting 'all humans are equal' feminism, so...

Jezebel is to gender-equality what Fox News is to political compromise.

Both have the capability of being factually accurate, but more often than not they give a higher precedence to promoting their agenda.

And when Fox News actually manages to report things accurately, then we discuss the actual content of the article, not imaginary content based off a quote given in the article. Maybe one or two people go 'Faux News herpa derp', but this is a thread where nothing is happening except the Nice Guy Brigade storming out screaming at clouds because they can't seem to comprehend that this is one article where Jezebel is agreeing with them.

You don't quite get it so I'll spell it out for you: It's Jezebel. NOBODY CARES!!!

It's probably worth mentioning that Jezebel's particular brand of feminism - this culture-warring kind of feminism - is fueling a backlash from a lot of men. Some places on the web now are just crawling with so-called MRA's (men's rights advocates) who read this kind of stuff and get whipped into a paranoid frenzy.I find it tiresome and the domain of very insecure men, but I still take their side over bullshiatty misandry that Jezebel and the tumblr set pimps out.

I really don't think we are going to be ushered into an age of gender enlightenment by the efforts of people who use terms like "turtle-people" to refer the the opposite sex. If it's a fight you want, you'll get it, but don't try to dress it up as intellectual or clever or enlightened. It's not.

spamdog:It's probably worth mentioning that Jezebel's particular brand of feminism - this culture-warring kind of feminism - is fueling a backlash from a lot of men. Some places on the web now are just crawling with so-called MRA's (men's rights advocates) who read this kind of stuff and get whipped into a paranoid frenzy.I find it tiresome and the domain of very insecure men, but I still take their side over bullshiatty misandry that Jezebel and the tumblr set pimps out.

I really don't think we are going to be ushered into an age of gender enlightenment by the efforts of people who use terms like "turtle-people" to refer the the opposite sex. If it's a fight you want, you'll get it, but don't try to dress it up as intellectual or clever or enlightened. It's not.

Is it me, or has there been a real surge of feminazi behavior of late going on lately. Smack talk about how video games are sexist, and even the EU wants to ban all porn because they say porn=female objectification. What sort of event went on that triggered every diesel dyke out there to go into a buttrage?

Is this going to be an ongoing thing, or should we just wait a week for them to stop overloading their tampons and return to sanity?

TV's Vinnie:Is it me, or has there been a real surge of feminazi behavior of late going on lately. Smack talk about how video games are sexist, and even the EU wants to ban all porn because they say porn=female objectification. What sort of event went on that triggered every diesel dyke out there to go into a buttrage?

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Is this going to be an ongoing thing, or should we just wait a week for them to stop overloading their tampons and return to sanity?

Every woman in the world's "cycle" has finally synced up. Just as Nostradomas predicted.

My reading is he is not condoning this at all, Even the "self-indulgent, vain c00nt" that OgreMagi (stay classy, dude) quoted above admits that she is "ashamed" that she thinks this way. The article also mentions that body dismorphia is rising in young men and that this is not a good thing.

Pretty much this. But sometimes it's fun to have to be disciplined by your mistress because you've been a bad boy and you know it.

Women can't be sexist because they're the oppressed, not the oppressor.

They're totally the oppressor as soon as they get the upper hand. Plenty of abused husbands out there.

Hell, even in Asia, where women traditionally get the shaft by Western standards and workforce integration is still difficult the traditional marriage paradigm is very similar to Chris Rock's comedy bit about divorce.

"I am ashamed as a feminist to admit that while I champion vanity in women, I find it kind of off-putting in men," Emily told me in an email. "I'd rather a man be thinking about how pretty I am than worrying about how pretty he is. I don't dislike vain men as people, but I wouldn't want to date one."

Awww, isn't a double standard SO cute??

Fark you, lady. I don't even LIKE pictures of myself(Ever), but I'd send you 1,000 a day just to send your hypocritical ass into hysterics.

PsiChick:And when Fox News actually manages to report things accurately, then we discuss the actual content of the article, not imaginary content based off a quote given in the article.

Accurate reporting implies that facts are being reported accurately. TFA being discussed has no such facts , it is an opinion piece on a second opinion piece.

If this were a report about some peer-reviewed scientific study, then yes, it would be a bit rude to ignore the content and attack the messenger. But TFA is nothing but opinions, so I do feel that other opinions held by the same source are completely within the context of the discussion.

Possibly. I have no idea why, but I am actually clinically bad at names\faces. Like, probably face-blind, and that screws over some other areas of my brain. So yes, it may well be someone else.

spamdog:It's probably worth mentioning that Jezebel's particular brand of feminism - this culture-warring kind of feminism - is fueling a backlash from a lot of men. Some places on the web now are just crawling with so-called MRA's (men's rights advocates) who read this kind of stuff and get whipped into a paranoid frenzy.I find it tiresome and the domain of very insecure men, but I still take their side over bullshiatty misandry that Jezebel and the tumblr set pimps out.

I really don't think we are going to be ushered into an age of gender enlightenment by the efforts of people who use terms like "turtle-people" to refer the the opposite sex. If it's a fight you want, you'll get it, but don't try to dress it up as intellectual or clever or enlightened. It's not.

Well, that's a great way of proving you misunderstood just about everything. That, or you think the Republican Party is somehow representative of all men everywhere.

WhippingBoy:You don't quite get it so I'll spell it out for you: It's Jezebel. NOBODY CARES!!!

Funny, there's a lot of people replying to me. You, for one. Apparently you must care a lot...

WhippingBoy:Women can't be sexist because they're the oppressed, not the oppressor.

I know you're joking (you charming rogue you), but sadly there are many people out there who sincerely believe that society is comprised of permanently fixed oppressor vs. oppressed groups -- when they should be recognizing the obvious fact that anyone (regardless of their sex, race, class, religion, sexual orientation, etc.) who oppresses someone else is an "oppressor" in that particular situation, and that anyone (again regardless of their sex, race, class, religion, sexual orientation, etc.) who is "oppressed" by someone else is oppressed in that particular situation. --This is merely common sense, but God knows there are people out there who would claim that common sense is a tool of oppression as well.