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Kitcat to quit active politics entirely

Following the announcement he will be stepping down as leader of the council, Jason Kitcat has revealed he will be leaving politics entirely.

Councillor Kitcat, Green member for Regency ward, announced he will not be standing in the council elections next year and will be standing down as leader of Brighton and Hove City Council.

In a statement on his blog, Councillor Kitcat revealed he never intended to stand for a second term as leader and had been planning to stand down since his re-election in 2011.

He added he intends to no longer be involved in active politics but instead focus on other forms of public service.

Councillor Kitcat said on his blog: "In 2010 as a family we agreed that, if re-selected for the 2011 council elections, this would be my last term on the council, and so it will be.

“It has been a huge honour and privilege to serve the residents of Regency ward since 2007, it’s a wonderful area to represent. To have been able to serve my second term as a councillor in administration, leading our city, has also been an immense honour.

"In dealing with the challenges we’ve faced, I’ve done all I can to contribute positively to our city for the benefit of all who live, work and visit here. I’m proud of what we’ve been able to achieve as a Green administration that I have led since 2012.

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"However at this stage in my life I am ready for a new challenge. I won’t be pursuing active politics any longer but do want to continue public service in some way. I have no firm plans as yet and intend to continue in my current role until the council term ends as there’s lots still to do.

"This has been my decision, taken with my family.

"My passion for our city is undiminished and I wish all those involved with continuing to support our city’s wellbeing the very best. You have my support and admiration."

Finally you realise your about as much use to politics and running councils as a chocolate tea pot. A bit late now all the damage you have done to the city. Still enjoy sitting in the traffic jams and chaos your transport policies have created and smile knowing the amount of tax payer’s money you have thrown down the drain you complete tool !

Finally you realise your about as much use to politics and running councils as a chocolate tea pot. A bit late now all the damage you have done to the city. Still enjoy sitting in the traffic jams and chaos your transport policies have created and smile knowing the amount of tax payer’s money you have thrown down the drain you complete tool !claymore13

Good luck to a decent man who wishes to continue to serve the public.......unlike the moanerati on here, 99.99% of whom whinge but will do sweet FA to actually try and change anything for the better!!

Good luck to a decent man who wishes to continue to serve the public.......unlike the moanerati on here, 99.99% of whom whinge but will do sweet FA to actually try and change anything for the better!!brighton bluenose

claymore13 wrote:
Finally you realise your about as much use to politics and running councils as a chocolate tea pot. A bit late now all the damage you have done to the city. Still enjoy sitting in the traffic jams and chaos your transport policies have created and smile knowing the amount of tax payer’s money you have thrown down the drain you complete tool !

Another d***head who seems to forget that it was Tories and Labour who brought in bus lanes, zoned residents permit parking and parking charges generally - and doesn't realise that those parties wont change anything the Greens have done because THEY AGREE WITH THEM you empty!!

[quote][p][bold]claymore13[/bold] wrote:
Finally you realise your about as much use to politics and running councils as a chocolate tea pot. A bit late now all the damage you have done to the city. Still enjoy sitting in the traffic jams and chaos your transport policies have created and smile knowing the amount of tax payer’s money you have thrown down the drain you complete tool ![/p][/quote]Another d***head who seems to forget that it was Tories and Labour who brought in bus lanes, zoned residents permit parking and parking charges generally - and doesn't realise that those parties wont change anything the Greens have done because THEY AGREE WITH THEM you empty!!brighton bluenose

Have a break Kitcat.
I didn't realise you were involved in active politics as you need to work for the electorate if you are an active politician and you definitely ain't done that with your council's unwanted policies.

Have a break Kitcat.
I didn't realise you were involved in active politics as you need to work for the electorate if you are an active politician and you definitely ain't done that with your council's unwanted policies.fatso

There are a number of unanswered questions here. If, as is claims, he took the decision to quit four years ago, and still has no firm plans, does this not suggest a lack of foresight and ambition?

Yet it is coincidental he announces his retirement from frontline politics now, just as the funding for the i360 is confirmed? I know his traveller webcast was a complete shambles - but was that what triggered the announcement now? This city desperately needs a new approach without the likes of Kitcat & Co lurking in the background.

I always thought it was ironic that he started studying for a doctorate in online government consultations, and then chose to abandon it to enter politics and head up a council that has never taken the views of its residents seriously but ploughed on with its own plans regardless.

There are a number of unanswered questions here. If, as is claims, he took the decision to quit four years ago, and still has no firm plans, does this not suggest a lack of foresight and ambition?
Yet it is coincidental he announces his retirement from frontline politics now, just as the funding for the i360 is confirmed? I know his traveller webcast was a complete shambles - but was that what triggered the announcement now? This city desperately needs a new approach without the likes of Kitcat & Co lurking in the background.
I always thought it was ironic that he started studying for a doctorate in online government consultations, and then chose to abandon it to enter politics and head up a council that has never taken the views of its residents seriously but ploughed on with its own plans regardless.fredflintstone1

What wonderful news! It's Friday, it's a beautiful morning, the sun is shining, summer starts tomorrow, and the rout of the incompetent irresponsible idealistic idiots has begun.

Shame they can't ALL go sooner and let another party interested in supporting the residents, businesses and visitors rather, than being a way for the left-wing greens to badly implement their various activist policies for minorities!

Jason's desire to open up all the green spaces in the city for travellers coming from all over the country was the final proof that he had turned into a total loony and had to go.

What wonderful news! It's Friday, it's a beautiful morning, the sun is shining, summer starts tomorrow, and the rout of the incompetent irresponsible idealistic idiots has begun.
Shame they can't ALL go sooner and let another party interested in supporting the residents, businesses and visitors rather, than being a way for the left-wing greens to badly implement their various activist policies for minorities!
Jason's desire to open up all the green spaces in the city for travellers coming from all over the country was the final proof that he had turned into a total loony and had to go.G Wiley

news if he is going to quite active politics. I did not know he or his shambling group had ever entered active politics in the first place.
Shoreham Council has more practical sustainable policies than this lot.

news if he is going to quite active politics. I did not know he or his shambling group had ever entered active politics in the first place.
Shoreham Council has more practical sustainable policies than this lot.woodcroft

This is the best pick me up to get over the imminent exit of England from the World Cup that I can think of.
But a suggestion for all of you out there....
All of our local parties need better quality candidates to stand at the next local council elections. Get out there and do something about it. You can only justify your moaning if you are prepared to get up and do something about it. Honest people who honestly care about Brighton and Hove in a pragmatic way. A realistic way. Not led by blind ideology which is destroying the very existence of our city. People who want to look after EVERYONE in our city and not just minority groups. We need a council which won't be divisive as the Greens have been, setting one group against another in a divide and rule policy. Setting motorists against cyclists, cyclists against pedestrians, pedestrians against cyclists, cyclists against motorists, permanent residents against students, pubs against supermarkets, residents against pubs - the list goes on. The Greens have done nothing but look at their own self interest. I stopped taking an interest in the developments on The Level when it was hijacked by skateboarders and cyclists.
Our city is for all of us. Wealthy and poor, heterosexual and LGBT, fit and not so fit, young and OLD! Don't forget the old.

This is the best pick me up to get over the imminent exit of England from the World Cup that I can think of.
But a suggestion for all of you out there....
All of our local parties need better quality candidates to stand at the next local council elections. Get out there and do something about it. You can only justify your moaning if you are prepared to get up and do something about it. Honest people who honestly care about Brighton and Hove in a pragmatic way. A realistic way. Not led by blind ideology which is destroying the very existence of our city. People who want to look after EVERYONE in our city and not just minority groups. We need a council which won't be divisive as the Greens have been, setting one group against another in a divide and rule policy. Setting motorists against cyclists, cyclists against pedestrians, pedestrians against cyclists, cyclists against motorists, permanent residents against students, pubs against supermarkets, residents against pubs - the list goes on. The Greens have done nothing but look at their own self interest. I stopped taking an interest in the developments on The Level when it was hijacked by skateboarders and cyclists.
Our city is for all of us. Wealthy and poor, heterosexual and LGBT, fit and not so fit, young and OLD! Don't forget the old.Max Ripple

No more idiotic ideology from Kittykat “Council Jason Kitcat has revealed he will be stepping down as leader and he will be leaving politics entirely” The best news the argues has printed sins the greens took control of B&HCC now all we are left with is to get rid of the rest of them Roll on the next elections.

No more idiotic ideology from Kittykat “Council Jason Kitcat has revealed he will be stepping down as leader and he will be leaving politics entirely” The best news the argues has printed sins the greens took control of B&HCC now all we are left with is to get rid of the rest of them Roll on the next elections.wippasnapper

I just hope that he doesn't get his snout into another tax payer funded position as a quangocrat. He puts his own ideology before the needs of the majority I wish he could be barred from ANY position in public service.

I just hope that he doesn't get his snout into another tax payer funded position as a quangocrat. He puts his own ideology before the needs of the majority I wish he could be barred from ANY position in public service.salty_pete

I hope this signals the end of student and 6th form politics in this city, but somehow I doubt it. The guy was clearly way out of his depth, hence the sudden departure.

Can Kit Kat also take the travellers with him, whose cause he has venerated for far too long.

I hope this signals the end of student and 6th form politics in this city, but somehow I doubt it. The guy was clearly way out of his depth, hence the sudden departure.
Can Kit Kat also take the travellers with him, whose cause he has venerated for far too long.Mart

brighton bluenose wrote:
Good luck to a decent man who wishes to continue to serve the public.......unlike the moanerati on here, 99.99% of whom whinge but will do sweet FA to actually try and change anything for the better!!

Define 'better'.

[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote:
Good luck to a decent man who wishes to continue to serve the public.......unlike the moanerati on here, 99.99% of whom whinge but will do sweet FA to actually try and change anything for the better!![/p][/quote]Define 'better'.stevo!!

Mr Kitcat: The damage has been done and the city will not forget you. As you can see, the life politics is a hard one. You followed your principles and have now realised that others do not have the same ideals as you. You will not be leaving with your head held high. You will be leaving with your tail between your legs. What will be interesting is what will you do next? I really cannot see any public service department employing you. Regardless of all this, I wish you good health for your new life.

Mr Kitcat: The damage has been done and the city will not forget you. As you can see, the life politics is a hard one. You followed your principles and have now realised that others do not have the same ideals as you. You will not be leaving with your head held high. You will be leaving with your tail between your legs. What will be interesting is what will you do next? I really cannot see any public service department employing you. Regardless of all this, I wish you good health for your new life.Pebbles

claymore13 wrote:
Finally you realise your about as much use to politics and running councils as a chocolate tea pot. A bit late now all the damage you have done to the city. Still enjoy sitting in the traffic jams and chaos your transport policies have created and smile knowing the amount of tax payer’s money you have thrown down the drain you complete tool !

Another d***head who seems to forget that it was Tories and Labour who brought in bus lanes, zoned residents permit parking and parking charges generally - and doesn't realise that those parties wont change anything the Greens have done because THEY AGREE WITH THEM you empty!!

They should eventually realise

[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]claymore13[/bold] wrote:
Finally you realise your about as much use to politics and running councils as a chocolate tea pot. A bit late now all the damage you have done to the city. Still enjoy sitting in the traffic jams and chaos your transport policies have created and smile knowing the amount of tax payer’s money you have thrown down the drain you complete tool ![/p][/quote]Another d***head who seems to forget that it was Tories and Labour who brought in bus lanes, zoned residents permit parking and parking charges generally - and doesn't realise that those parties wont change anything the Greens have done because THEY AGREE WITH THEM you empty!![/p][/quote]They should eventually realiseGribbet

aat99 wrote:
How I will laugh when all you lot are still moaning when the Tories are back in and nothing will have changed ...

They'll all just change their screen names so they can moan about Labour or Tories.

[quote][p][bold]aat99[/bold] wrote:
How I will laugh when all you lot are still moaning when the Tories are back in and nothing will have changed ...[/p][/quote]They'll all just change their screen names so they can moan about Labour or Tories.Gribbet

claymore13 wrote:
Finally you realise your about as much use to politics and running councils as a chocolate tea pot. A bit late now all the damage you have done to the city. Still enjoy sitting in the traffic jams and chaos your transport policies have created and smile knowing the amount of tax payer’s money you have thrown down the drain you complete tool !

Another d***head who seems to forget that it was Tories and Labour who brought in bus lanes, zoned residents permit parking and parking charges generally - and doesn't realise that those parties wont change anything the Greens have done because THEY AGREE WITH THEM you empty!!

They should eventually realise

@Gribbet and @brighton bluenose - the other parties may have introduced bus lanes, residents parking and parking charges, but it has taken the irresponsible idealist greens, under direction from a pro-cycling bigot to really screw everything up and add in unused cycle lanes and unenforceable 20mph zones resulting in worse congestion and higher pollution levels.

Yes the greens - a party of real geniuses!

Please keep up the t*rd polishing - hopefully you and your loathsome party are now in terminal decline and will do the honourable thing and call a full council election and let another party who considers residents, businesses and visitors take charge.

I have seen a lot of positive comments about Jason - unfortunately he chose to align himself to the greens rather than a responsible party and he wanted to become leader of this disparate group of reprobate green councillors - the role wasn't, AFAIK, forced upon him.

I guess he can go back to his IT work with the Open Rights groups who probably know little, nor care, about his green party failings.

[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]claymore13[/bold] wrote:
Finally you realise your about as much use to politics and running councils as a chocolate tea pot. A bit late now all the damage you have done to the city. Still enjoy sitting in the traffic jams and chaos your transport policies have created and smile knowing the amount of tax payer’s money you have thrown down the drain you complete tool ![/p][/quote]Another d***head who seems to forget that it was Tories and Labour who brought in bus lanes, zoned residents permit parking and parking charges generally - and doesn't realise that those parties wont change anything the Greens have done because THEY AGREE WITH THEM you empty!![/p][/quote]They should eventually realise[/p][/quote]@Gribbet and @brighton bluenose - the other parties may have introduced bus lanes, residents parking and parking charges, but it has taken the irresponsible idealist greens, under direction from a pro-cycling bigot to really screw everything up and add in unused cycle lanes and unenforceable 20mph zones resulting in worse congestion and higher pollution levels.
Yes the greens - a party of real geniuses!
Please keep up the t*rd polishing - hopefully you and your loathsome party are now in terminal decline and will do the honourable thing and call a full council election and let another party who considers residents, businesses and visitors take charge.
I have seen a lot of positive comments about Jason - unfortunately he chose to align himself to the greens rather than a responsible party and he wanted to become leader of this disparate group of reprobate green councillors - the role wasn't, AFAIK, forced upon him.
I guess he can go back to his IT work with the Open Rights groups who probably know little, nor care, about his green party failings.G Wiley

claymore13 wrote:
Finally you realise your about as much use to politics and running councils as a chocolate tea pot. A bit late now all the damage you have done to the city. Still enjoy sitting in the traffic jams and chaos your transport policies have created and smile knowing the amount of tax payer’s money you have thrown down the drain you complete tool !

Another d***head who seems to forget that it was Tories and Labour who brought in bus lanes, zoned residents permit parking and parking charges generally - and doesn't realise that those parties wont change anything the Greens have done because THEY AGREE WITH THEM you empty!!

They should eventually realise

@Gribbet and @brighton bluenose - the other parties may have introduced bus lanes, residents parking and parking charges, but it has taken the irresponsible idealist greens, under direction from a pro-cycling bigot to really screw everything up and add in unused cycle lanes and unenforceable 20mph zones resulting in worse congestion and higher pollution levels.

Yes the greens - a party of real geniuses!

Please keep up the t*rd polishing - hopefully you and your loathsome party are now in terminal decline and will do the honourable thing and call a full council election and let another party who considers residents, businesses and visitors take charge.

I have seen a lot of positive comments about Jason - unfortunately he chose to align himself to the greens rather than a responsible party and he wanted to become leader of this disparate group of reprobate green councillors - the role wasn't, AFAIK, forced upon him.

I guess he can go back to his IT work with the Open Rights groups who probably know little, nor care, about his green party failings.

I use those cycle lanes, so thanks to whoever got those built. Like it or not, cycling will continue to grow more and more popular in the future and it won't be long before it becomes the law that all new infrastructure will have to be built with cycling in mind. It's hit a bit of a plateau in popularity at the moment while the older, non-cycling generation of politicians dither about how to keep the petrolheads happy, but I had a read of TfL's new report on the future of cycling in London, very, very promising. They've done some serious ground work for other towns to follow. You'll absolutely hate it, but you've had your time in the sun, polluting the planet for future generations to clean up and it's not all about you at the end of the day.

[quote][p][bold]G Wiley[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]claymore13[/bold] wrote:
Finally you realise your about as much use to politics and running councils as a chocolate tea pot. A bit late now all the damage you have done to the city. Still enjoy sitting in the traffic jams and chaos your transport policies have created and smile knowing the amount of tax payer’s money you have thrown down the drain you complete tool ![/p][/quote]Another d***head who seems to forget that it was Tories and Labour who brought in bus lanes, zoned residents permit parking and parking charges generally - and doesn't realise that those parties wont change anything the Greens have done because THEY AGREE WITH THEM you empty!![/p][/quote]They should eventually realise[/p][/quote]@Gribbet and @brighton bluenose - the other parties may have introduced bus lanes, residents parking and parking charges, but it has taken the irresponsible idealist greens, under direction from a pro-cycling bigot to really screw everything up and add in unused cycle lanes and unenforceable 20mph zones resulting in worse congestion and higher pollution levels.
Yes the greens - a party of real geniuses!
Please keep up the t*rd polishing - hopefully you and your loathsome party are now in terminal decline and will do the honourable thing and call a full council election and let another party who considers residents, businesses and visitors take charge.
I have seen a lot of positive comments about Jason - unfortunately he chose to align himself to the greens rather than a responsible party and he wanted to become leader of this disparate group of reprobate green councillors - the role wasn't, AFAIK, forced upon him.
I guess he can go back to his IT work with the Open Rights groups who probably know little, nor care, about his green party failings.[/p][/quote]I use those cycle lanes, so thanks to whoever got those built. Like it or not, cycling will continue to grow more and more popular in the future and it won't be long before it becomes the law that all new infrastructure will have to be built with cycling in mind. It's hit a bit of a plateau in popularity at the moment while the older, non-cycling generation of politicians dither about how to keep the petrolheads happy, but I had a read of TfL's new report on the future of cycling in London, very, very promising. They've done some serious ground work for other towns to follow. You'll absolutely hate it, but you've had your time in the sun, polluting the planet for future generations to clean up and it's not all about you at the end of the day.Gribbet

brighton bluenose wrote:
Good luck to a decent man who wishes to continue to serve the public.......unlike the moanerati on here, 99.99% of whom whinge but will do sweet FA to actually try and change anything for the better!!

Well, he might be a decent man, but he is certainly an incompetent one. Still. at least he has had the sense to realise that he is not the man for the job and is going to leave it. Time now for the other Greens to do likewise before they do more damage to the city.

[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote:
Good luck to a decent man who wishes to continue to serve the public.......unlike the moanerati on here, 99.99% of whom whinge but will do sweet FA to actually try and change anything for the better!![/p][/quote]Well, he might be a decent man, but he is certainly an incompetent one. Still. at least he has had the sense to realise that he is not the man for the job and is going to leave it. Time now for the other Greens to do likewise before they do more damage to the city.hoveguyactually

claymore13 wrote:
Finally you realise your about as much use to politics and running councils as a chocolate tea pot. A bit late now all the damage you have done to the city. Still enjoy sitting in the traffic jams and chaos your transport policies have created and smile knowing the amount of tax payer’s money you have thrown down the drain you complete tool !

Another d***head who seems to forget that it was Tories and Labour who brought in bus lanes, zoned residents permit parking and parking charges generally - and doesn't realise that those parties wont change anything the Greens have done because THEY AGREE WITH THEM you empty!!

They should eventually realise

@Gribbet and @brighton bluenose - the other parties may have introduced bus lanes, residents parking and parking charges, but it has taken the irresponsible idealist greens, under direction from a pro-cycling bigot to really screw everything up and add in unused cycle lanes and unenforceable 20mph zones resulting in worse congestion and higher pollution levels.

Yes the greens - a party of real geniuses!

Please keep up the t*rd polishing - hopefully you and your loathsome party are now in terminal decline and will do the honourable thing and call a full council election and let another party who considers residents, businesses and visitors take charge.

I have seen a lot of positive comments about Jason - unfortunately he chose to align himself to the greens rather than a responsible party and he wanted to become leader of this disparate group of reprobate green councillors - the role wasn't, AFAIK, forced upon him.

I guess he can go back to his IT work with the Open Rights groups who probably know little, nor care, about his green party failings.

I use those cycle lanes, so thanks to whoever got those built. Like it or not, cycling will continue to grow more and more popular in the future and it won't be long before it becomes the law that all new infrastructure will have to be built with cycling in mind. It's hit a bit of a plateau in popularity at the moment while the older, non-cycling generation of politicians dither about how to keep the petrolheads happy, but I had a read of TfL's new report on the future of cycling in London, very, very promising. They've done some serious ground work for other towns to follow. You'll absolutely hate it, but you've had your time in the sun, polluting the planet for future generations to clean up and it's not all about you at the end of the day.

@Gribbet - yes the (non Green!) TFL report look excellent - looks to have been put together by transport experts rather than the keen incompetent amateurs that have been implementing vanity cycle lanes along the Old Shoreham Road.

If I recall the report also talks about getting more cyclists trained to cycle safely and responsibly - now there's something that the pro-cycling bigot could have done in Brighton and Hove alongside putting the cycle lanes in place.

Perhaps if you had waited to see what TFL was doing rather than just blasting ahead with your idealistic, but incompetently implemented, plans. Perhaps this might do something about congestion and pollution levels!

Anyway, you blew it - time for you and the rest of the green supporters to pack your bags and jump aboard the Big Lemon Bus out of town to another town or dumb enough to believe that the greens actually care about the environment.

For now though, just carry on with the 'polishing' and calling us names - what a very immature party indeed!

[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]G Wiley[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]claymore13[/bold] wrote:
Finally you realise your about as much use to politics and running councils as a chocolate tea pot. A bit late now all the damage you have done to the city. Still enjoy sitting in the traffic jams and chaos your transport policies have created and smile knowing the amount of tax payer’s money you have thrown down the drain you complete tool ![/p][/quote]Another d***head who seems to forget that it was Tories and Labour who brought in bus lanes, zoned residents permit parking and parking charges generally - and doesn't realise that those parties wont change anything the Greens have done because THEY AGREE WITH THEM you empty!![/p][/quote]They should eventually realise[/p][/quote]@Gribbet and @brighton bluenose - the other parties may have introduced bus lanes, residents parking and parking charges, but it has taken the irresponsible idealist greens, under direction from a pro-cycling bigot to really screw everything up and add in unused cycle lanes and unenforceable 20mph zones resulting in worse congestion and higher pollution levels.
Yes the greens - a party of real geniuses!
Please keep up the t*rd polishing - hopefully you and your loathsome party are now in terminal decline and will do the honourable thing and call a full council election and let another party who considers residents, businesses and visitors take charge.
I have seen a lot of positive comments about Jason - unfortunately he chose to align himself to the greens rather than a responsible party and he wanted to become leader of this disparate group of reprobate green councillors - the role wasn't, AFAIK, forced upon him.
I guess he can go back to his IT work with the Open Rights groups who probably know little, nor care, about his green party failings.[/p][/quote]I use those cycle lanes, so thanks to whoever got those built. Like it or not, cycling will continue to grow more and more popular in the future and it won't be long before it becomes the law that all new infrastructure will have to be built with cycling in mind. It's hit a bit of a plateau in popularity at the moment while the older, non-cycling generation of politicians dither about how to keep the petrolheads happy, but I had a read of TfL's new report on the future of cycling in London, very, very promising. They've done some serious ground work for other towns to follow. You'll absolutely hate it, but you've had your time in the sun, polluting the planet for future generations to clean up and it's not all about you at the end of the day.[/p][/quote]@Gribbet - yes the (non Green!) TFL report look excellent - looks to have been put together by transport experts rather than the keen incompetent amateurs that have been implementing vanity cycle lanes along the Old Shoreham Road.
If I recall the report also talks about getting more cyclists trained to cycle safely and responsibly - now there's something that the pro-cycling bigot could have done in Brighton and Hove alongside putting the cycle lanes in place.
Perhaps if you had waited to see what TFL was doing rather than just blasting ahead with your idealistic, but incompetently implemented, plans. Perhaps this might do something about congestion and pollution levels!
Anyway, you blew it - time for you and the rest of the green supporters to pack your bags and jump aboard the Big Lemon Bus out of town to another town or dumb enough to believe that the greens actually care about the environment.
For now though, just carry on with the 'polishing' and calling us names - what a very immature party indeed!G Wiley

claymore13 wrote:
Finally you realise your about as much use to politics and running councils as a chocolate tea pot. A bit late now all the damage you have done to the city. Still enjoy sitting in the traffic jams and chaos your transport policies have created and smile knowing the amount of tax payer’s money you have thrown down the drain you complete tool !

Another d***head who seems to forget that it was Tories and Labour who brought in bus lanes, zoned residents permit parking and parking charges generally - and doesn't realise that those parties wont change anything the Greens have done because THEY AGREE WITH THEM you empty!!

They should eventually realise

@Gribbet and @brighton bluenose - the other parties may have introduced bus lanes, residents parking and parking charges, but it has taken the irresponsible idealist greens, under direction from a pro-cycling bigot to really screw everything up and add in unused cycle lanes and unenforceable 20mph zones resulting in worse congestion and higher pollution levels.

Yes the greens - a party of real geniuses!

Please keep up the t*rd polishing - hopefully you and your loathsome party are now in terminal decline and will do the honourable thing and call a full council election and let another party who considers residents, businesses and visitors take charge.

I have seen a lot of positive comments about Jason - unfortunately he chose to align himself to the greens rather than a responsible party and he wanted to become leader of this disparate group of reprobate green councillors - the role wasn't, AFAIK, forced upon him.

I guess he can go back to his IT work with the Open Rights groups who probably know little, nor care, about his green party failings.

He's not pro-cycling - he's anti-car. There's a very big difference.

[quote][p][bold]G Wiley[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]claymore13[/bold] wrote:
Finally you realise your about as much use to politics and running councils as a chocolate tea pot. A bit late now all the damage you have done to the city. Still enjoy sitting in the traffic jams and chaos your transport policies have created and smile knowing the amount of tax payer’s money you have thrown down the drain you complete tool ![/p][/quote]Another d***head who seems to forget that it was Tories and Labour who brought in bus lanes, zoned residents permit parking and parking charges generally - and doesn't realise that those parties wont change anything the Greens have done because THEY AGREE WITH THEM you empty!![/p][/quote]They should eventually realise[/p][/quote]@Gribbet and @brighton bluenose - the other parties may have introduced bus lanes, residents parking and parking charges, but it has taken the irresponsible idealist greens, under direction from a pro-cycling bigot to really screw everything up and add in unused cycle lanes and unenforceable 20mph zones resulting in worse congestion and higher pollution levels.
Yes the greens - a party of real geniuses!
Please keep up the t*rd polishing - hopefully you and your loathsome party are now in terminal decline and will do the honourable thing and call a full council election and let another party who considers residents, businesses and visitors take charge.
I have seen a lot of positive comments about Jason - unfortunately he chose to align himself to the greens rather than a responsible party and he wanted to become leader of this disparate group of reprobate green councillors - the role wasn't, AFAIK, forced upon him.
I guess he can go back to his IT work with the Open Rights groups who probably know little, nor care, about his green party failings.[/p][/quote]He's not pro-cycling - he's anti-car. There's a very big difference.Roundbill

I was informed last year that Kitty Kat was going to take over the running of the refuse services. It explained a huge amount about his attitude to the bin strikes. I think in politics it's called not declaring your interests.

I was informed last year that Kitty Kat was going to take over the running of the refuse services. It explained a huge amount about his attitude to the bin strikes. I think in politics it's called not declaring your interests.asterixobelix

T!
I guess Mr Kitkat will change his name again, (that is not his birth surname), so he can disappear into oblivion!

What's his real name then? And more importantly if you were going to change your original birth surname why would you change it to "Kitcat"?

[quote][p][bold]Gardenboy[/bold] wrote:
I'm devastated........NO
T!
I guess Mr Kitkat will change his name again, (that is not his birth surname), so he can disappear into oblivion![/p][/quote]What's his real name then? And more importantly if you were going to change your original birth surname why would you change it to "Kitcat"?KarenT

Ok, I get the point that Jason Kitcat probably isn't universally loved as Leader of B&H City Council and much the same could be said for Caroline Lucas MP, but I am a simple soul and it does occur to me that if the Greens are a minority administration, and if what they have been doing policy-wise is considered so awful by local Labour and Tory councillors, then why haven't those councillors voted together against the things they hate? Or is it the case that local Tory & Labour policiticians dislike each other so much that they are prepared to see unwelcome policies put in place rather than co-operate to outvote the Greens and their allies. If it is the latter (and sadly I suspect it may be) then, frankly, Brighton has much bigger underlying political problems than many might realise.

Ok, I get the point that Jason Kitcat probably isn't universally loved as Leader of B&H City Council and much the same could be said for Caroline Lucas MP, but I am a simple soul and it does occur to me that if the Greens are a minority administration, and if what they have been doing policy-wise is considered so awful by local Labour and Tory councillors, then why haven't those councillors voted together against the things they hate? Or is it the case that local Tory & Labour policiticians dislike each other so much that they are prepared to see unwelcome policies put in place rather than co-operate to outvote the Greens and their allies. If it is the latter (and sadly I suspect it may be) then, frankly, Brighton has much bigger underlying political problems than many might realise.still waiting

T!
I guess Mr Kitkat will change his name again, (that is not his birth surname), so he can disappear into oblivion!

What's his real name then? And more importantly if you were going to change your original birth surname why would you change it to &quot;Kitcat"?

It wouldn't surprise me if he was paid by a large chocolate manufacturer.
Well I've got 4 fingers for you kitkat.

[quote][p][bold]KarenT[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Gardenboy[/bold] wrote:
I'm devastated........NO
T!
I guess Mr Kitkat will change his name again, (that is not his birth surname), so he can disappear into oblivion![/p][/quote]What's his real name then? And more importantly if you were going to change your original birth surname why would you change it to "Kitcat"?[/p][/quote]It wouldn't surprise me if he was paid by a large chocolate manufacturer.
Well I've got 4 fingers for you kitkat.Uncle_Meat

I really hope that next elections is awash with independant candidates that will put the residents of Brighton & Hove first, second and third and don't need to tow any Party policy or doctrine.
Time for local councils to be about setting local policy, not following a party philosophy.

I really hope that next elections is awash with independant candidates that will put the residents of Brighton & Hove first, second and third and don't need to tow any Party policy or doctrine.
Time for local councils to be about setting local policy, not following a party philosophy.kopite_rob

claymore13 wrote:
Finally you realise your about as much use to politics and running councils as a chocolate tea pot. A bit late now all the damage you have done to the city. Still enjoy sitting in the traffic jams and chaos your transport policies have created and smile knowing the amount of tax payer’s money you have thrown down the drain you complete tool !

Another d***head who seems to forget that it was Tories and Labour who brought in bus lanes, zoned residents permit parking and parking charges generally - and doesn't realise that those parties wont change anything the Greens have done because THEY AGREE WITH THEM you empty!!

They should eventually realise

@Gribbet and @brighton bluenose - the other parties may have introduced bus lanes, residents parking and parking charges, but it has taken the irresponsible idealist greens, under direction from a pro-cycling bigot to really screw everything up and add in unused cycle lanes and unenforceable 20mph zones resulting in worse congestion and higher pollution levels.

Yes the greens - a party of real geniuses!

Please keep up the t*rd polishing - hopefully you and your loathsome party are now in terminal decline and will do the honourable thing and call a full council election and let another party who considers residents, businesses and visitors take charge.

I have seen a lot of positive comments about Jason - unfortunately he chose to align himself to the greens rather than a responsible party and he wanted to become leader of this disparate group of reprobate green councillors - the role wasn't, AFAIK, forced upon him.

I guess he can go back to his IT work with the Open Rights groups who probably know little, nor care, about his green party failings.

I use those cycle lanes, so thanks to whoever got those built. Like it or not, cycling will continue to grow more and more popular in the future and it won't be long before it becomes the law that all new infrastructure will have to be built with cycling in mind. It's hit a bit of a plateau in popularity at the moment while the older, non-cycling generation of politicians dither about how to keep the petrolheads happy, but I had a read of TfL's new report on the future of cycling in London, very, very promising. They've done some serious ground work for other towns to follow. You'll absolutely hate it, but you've had your time in the sun, polluting the planet for future generations to clean up and it's not all about you at the end of the day.

@Gribbet - yes the (non Green!) TFL report look excellent - looks to have been put together by transport experts rather than the keen incompetent amateurs that have been implementing vanity cycle lanes along the Old Shoreham Road.

If I recall the report also talks about getting more cyclists trained to cycle safely and responsibly - now there's something that the pro-cycling bigot could have done in Brighton and Hove alongside putting the cycle lanes in place.

Perhaps if you had waited to see what TFL was doing rather than just blasting ahead with your idealistic, but incompetently implemented, plans. Perhaps this might do something about congestion and pollution levels!

Anyway, you blew it - time for you and the rest of the green supporters to pack your bags and jump aboard the Big Lemon Bus out of town to another town or dumb enough to believe that the greens actually care about the environment.

For now though, just carry on with the 'polishing' and calling us names - what a very immature party indeed!

Glad you've taken the time to read all 350 pages of the TfL report and understand it fully.

Don't know why you keep saying that I've done all these things, it would be rude of me to take credit for something I had no involvement in. Personally speaking, and I know you'll disagree, apart from the squabbling and twitter incidents, I'm very happy with the work that the council have overseen on Lewes Road, 20mph,the station, living wage, The Level, 7 dials etc. Not sure the Greens can take full credit given that there was cross party backing, but if the Greens were the driving force to getting all of that regeneration work carried out in such a short space of time, then glad I voted for them and I'll vote for them again even though the balance of control is likely to shift for a few years.

Whoever gets in won't make a huge difference to me as long as they keep building the cycling infrastructure, restoring/regenerati
ng the town, pedestrianizing the centre etc which I'm sure will continue to happen. My main concern is that a council run by either Lab or Con will just neglect some important parts of town that need regular maintenance such as the seafront arches and seafront in general in their quest to focus only on 'getting the basics right'. They'll give us 'Tescos Value' for our council tax pounds.

[quote][p][bold]G Wiley[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]G Wiley[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]claymore13[/bold] wrote:
Finally you realise your about as much use to politics and running councils as a chocolate tea pot. A bit late now all the damage you have done to the city. Still enjoy sitting in the traffic jams and chaos your transport policies have created and smile knowing the amount of tax payer’s money you have thrown down the drain you complete tool ![/p][/quote]Another d***head who seems to forget that it was Tories and Labour who brought in bus lanes, zoned residents permit parking and parking charges generally - and doesn't realise that those parties wont change anything the Greens have done because THEY AGREE WITH THEM you empty!![/p][/quote]They should eventually realise[/p][/quote]@Gribbet and @brighton bluenose - the other parties may have introduced bus lanes, residents parking and parking charges, but it has taken the irresponsible idealist greens, under direction from a pro-cycling bigot to really screw everything up and add in unused cycle lanes and unenforceable 20mph zones resulting in worse congestion and higher pollution levels.
Yes the greens - a party of real geniuses!
Please keep up the t*rd polishing - hopefully you and your loathsome party are now in terminal decline and will do the honourable thing and call a full council election and let another party who considers residents, businesses and visitors take charge.
I have seen a lot of positive comments about Jason - unfortunately he chose to align himself to the greens rather than a responsible party and he wanted to become leader of this disparate group of reprobate green councillors - the role wasn't, AFAIK, forced upon him.
I guess he can go back to his IT work with the Open Rights groups who probably know little, nor care, about his green party failings.[/p][/quote]I use those cycle lanes, so thanks to whoever got those built. Like it or not, cycling will continue to grow more and more popular in the future and it won't be long before it becomes the law that all new infrastructure will have to be built with cycling in mind. It's hit a bit of a plateau in popularity at the moment while the older, non-cycling generation of politicians dither about how to keep the petrolheads happy, but I had a read of TfL's new report on the future of cycling in London, very, very promising. They've done some serious ground work for other towns to follow. You'll absolutely hate it, but you've had your time in the sun, polluting the planet for future generations to clean up and it's not all about you at the end of the day.[/p][/quote]@Gribbet - yes the (non Green!) TFL report look excellent - looks to have been put together by transport experts rather than the keen incompetent amateurs that have been implementing vanity cycle lanes along the Old Shoreham Road.
If I recall the report also talks about getting more cyclists trained to cycle safely and responsibly - now there's something that the pro-cycling bigot could have done in Brighton and Hove alongside putting the cycle lanes in place.
Perhaps if you had waited to see what TFL was doing rather than just blasting ahead with your idealistic, but incompetently implemented, plans. Perhaps this might do something about congestion and pollution levels!
Anyway, you blew it - time for you and the rest of the green supporters to pack your bags and jump aboard the Big Lemon Bus out of town to another town or dumb enough to believe that the greens actually care about the environment.
For now though, just carry on with the 'polishing' and calling us names - what a very immature party indeed![/p][/quote]Glad you've taken the time to read all 350 pages of the TfL report and understand it fully.
Don't know why you keep saying that I've done all these things, it would be rude of me to take credit for something I had no involvement in. Personally speaking, and I know you'll disagree, apart from the squabbling and twitter incidents, I'm very happy with the work that the council have overseen on Lewes Road, 20mph,the station, living wage, The Level, 7 dials etc. Not sure the Greens can take full credit given that there was cross party backing, but if the Greens were the driving force to getting all of that regeneration work carried out in such a short space of time, then glad I voted for them and I'll vote for them again even though the balance of control is likely to shift for a few years.
Whoever gets in won't make a huge difference to me as long as they keep building the cycling infrastructure, restoring/regenerati
ng the town, pedestrianizing the centre etc which I'm sure will continue to happen. My main concern is that a council run by either Lab or Con will just neglect some important parts of town that need regular maintenance such as the seafront arches and seafront in general in their quest to focus only on 'getting the basics right'. They'll give us 'Tescos Value' for our council tax pounds.Gribbet

still waiting wrote:
Ok, I get the point that Jason Kitcat probably isn't universally loved as Leader of B&amp;H City Council and much the same could be said for Caroline Lucas MP, but I am a simple soul and it does occur to me that if the Greens are a minority administration, and if what they have been doing policy-wise is considered so awful by local Labour and Tory councillors, then why haven't those councillors voted together against the things they hate? Or is it the case that local Tory &amp; Labour policiticians dislike each other so much that they are prepared to see unwelcome policies put in place rather than co-operate to outvote the Greens and their allies. If it is the latter (and sadly I suspect it may be) then, frankly, Brighton has much bigger underlying political problems than many might realise.

And there we have a very good point.

[quote][p][bold]still waiting[/bold] wrote:
Ok, I get the point that Jason Kitcat probably isn't universally loved as Leader of B&H City Council and much the same could be said for Caroline Lucas MP, but I am a simple soul and it does occur to me that if the Greens are a minority administration, and if what they have been doing policy-wise is considered so awful by local Labour and Tory councillors, then why haven't those councillors voted together against the things they hate? Or is it the case that local Tory & Labour policiticians dislike each other so much that they are prepared to see unwelcome policies put in place rather than co-operate to outvote the Greens and their allies. If it is the latter (and sadly I suspect it may be) then, frankly, Brighton has much bigger underlying political problems than many might realise.[/p][/quote]And there we have a very good point.Gribbet

salty_pete wrote:
I just hope that he doesn't get his snout into another tax payer funded position as a quangocrat. He puts his own ideology before the needs of the majority I wish he could be barred from ANY position in public service.

Don't bet on it. I'm sure he is NOT done with politics, just with elective office.

[quote][p][bold]salty_pete[/bold] wrote:
I just hope that he doesn't get his snout into another tax payer funded position as a quangocrat. He puts his own ideology before the needs of the majority I wish he could be barred from ANY position in public service.[/p][/quote]Don't bet on it. I'm sure he is NOT done with politics, just with elective office.MuammarQaddafi

claymore13 wrote:
Finally you realise your about as much use to politics and running councils as a chocolate tea pot. A bit late now all the damage you have done to the city. Still enjoy sitting in the traffic jams and chaos your transport policies have created and smile knowing the amount of tax payer’s money you have thrown down the drain you complete tool !

Another d***head who seems to forget that it was Tories and Labour who brought in bus lanes, zoned residents permit parking and parking charges generally - and doesn't realise that those parties wont change anything the Greens have done because THEY AGREE WITH THEM you empty!!

They should eventually realise

@Gribbet and @brighton bluenose - the other parties may have introduced bus lanes, residents parking and parking charges, but it has taken the irresponsible idealist greens, under direction from a pro-cycling bigot to really screw everything up and add in unused cycle lanes and unenforceable 20mph zones resulting in worse congestion and higher pollution levels.

Yes the greens - a party of real geniuses!

Please keep up the t*rd polishing - hopefully you and your loathsome party are now in terminal decline and will do the honourable thing and call a full council election and let another party who considers residents, businesses and visitors take charge.

I have seen a lot of positive comments about Jason - unfortunately he chose to align himself to the greens rather than a responsible party and he wanted to become leader of this disparate group of reprobate green councillors - the role wasn't, AFAIK, forced upon him.

I guess he can go back to his IT work with the Open Rights groups who probably know little, nor care, about his green party failings.

Unused cycle lanes?! How about the one in The Drive - now
that wasn't installed by 'idealist Greens' was it?!!
And you, of course, fail to discuss the fact that the other parties won't rescind a single measure the Greens have introduced!!

[quote][p][bold]G Wiley[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]claymore13[/bold] wrote:
Finally you realise your about as much use to politics and running councils as a chocolate tea pot. A bit late now all the damage you have done to the city. Still enjoy sitting in the traffic jams and chaos your transport policies have created and smile knowing the amount of tax payer’s money you have thrown down the drain you complete tool ![/p][/quote]Another d***head who seems to forget that it was Tories and Labour who brought in bus lanes, zoned residents permit parking and parking charges generally - and doesn't realise that those parties wont change anything the Greens have done because THEY AGREE WITH THEM you empty!![/p][/quote]They should eventually realise[/p][/quote]@Gribbet and @brighton bluenose - the other parties may have introduced bus lanes, residents parking and parking charges, but it has taken the irresponsible idealist greens, under direction from a pro-cycling bigot to really screw everything up and add in unused cycle lanes and unenforceable 20mph zones resulting in worse congestion and higher pollution levels.
Yes the greens - a party of real geniuses!
Please keep up the t*rd polishing - hopefully you and your loathsome party are now in terminal decline and will do the honourable thing and call a full council election and let another party who considers residents, businesses and visitors take charge.
I have seen a lot of positive comments about Jason - unfortunately he chose to align himself to the greens rather than a responsible party and he wanted to become leader of this disparate group of reprobate green councillors - the role wasn't, AFAIK, forced upon him.
I guess he can go back to his IT work with the Open Rights groups who probably know little, nor care, about his green party failings.[/p][/quote]Unused cycle lanes?! How about the one in The Drive - now
that wasn't installed by 'idealist Greens' was it?!!
And you, of course, fail to discuss the fact that the other parties won't rescind a single measure the Greens have introduced!!brighton bluenose

still waiting wrote:
Ok, I get the point that Jason Kitcat probably isn't universally loved as Leader of B&amp;H City Council and much the same could be said for Caroline Lucas MP, but I am a simple soul and it does occur to me that if the Greens are a minority administration, and if what they have been doing policy-wise is considered so awful by local Labour and Tory councillors, then why haven't those councillors voted together against the things they hate? Or is it the case that local Tory &amp; Labour policiticians dislike each other so much that they are prepared to see unwelcome policies put in place rather than co-operate to outvote the Greens and their allies. If it is the latter (and sadly I suspect it may be) then, frankly, Brighton has much bigger underlying political problems than many might realise.

It wasn't that long ago that our city was labelled 'Skid-Row-on-Sea' due to the antics of the Labour Party! The Greens have taken a lot of stick for supposedly unpopular measures that the other parties generally agree with - as you say if they are so against the Lewes Road bus lanes, the Vogue Gyratory improvements or I360 funding (I don't agree with that one!) etc etc why haven't they been screaming blue murder??!
The answer is rather obvious!!

[quote][p][bold]still waiting[/bold] wrote:
Ok, I get the point that Jason Kitcat probably isn't universally loved as Leader of B&H City Council and much the same could be said for Caroline Lucas MP, but I am a simple soul and it does occur to me that if the Greens are a minority administration, and if what they have been doing policy-wise is considered so awful by local Labour and Tory councillors, then why haven't those councillors voted together against the things they hate? Or is it the case that local Tory & Labour policiticians dislike each other so much that they are prepared to see unwelcome policies put in place rather than co-operate to outvote the Greens and their allies. If it is the latter (and sadly I suspect it may be) then, frankly, Brighton has much bigger underlying political problems than many might realise.[/p][/quote]It wasn't that long ago that our city was labelled 'Skid-Row-on-Sea' due to the antics of the Labour Party! The Greens have taken a lot of stick for supposedly unpopular measures that the other parties generally agree with - as you say if they are so against the Lewes Road bus lanes, the Vogue Gyratory improvements or I360 funding (I don't agree with that one!) etc etc why haven't they been screaming blue murder??!
The answer is rather obvious!!brighton bluenose

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I guess Mr Kitkat will change his name again, (that is not his birth surname), so he can disappear into oblivion!

What's his real name then? And more importantly if you were going to change your original birth surname why would you change it to &quot;Kitcat"?

He has always claimed that Kitkat is his real name. Which just shows how stupid he thinks we all are. Goodbye Jason, please don't come back.

[quote][p][bold]KarenT[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Gardenboy[/bold] wrote:
I'm devastated........NO
T!
I guess Mr Kitkat will change his name again, (that is not his birth surname), so he can disappear into oblivion![/p][/quote]What's his real name then? And more importantly if you were going to change your original birth surname why would you change it to "Kitcat"?[/p][/quote]He has always claimed that Kitkat is his real name. Which just shows how stupid he thinks we all are. Goodbye Jason, please don't come back.Martin999

Worriedofbrighton wrote:
Nothing from the brown nose of HJarrs yet. I'm sure he can put some positive spin on this story. Ha ha this story has made my year. Perhaps Kitkat will become a traveller.

I think he will become a traveller, he obviously admires them so much.

[quote][p][bold]Worriedofbrighton[/bold] wrote:
Nothing from the brown nose of HJarrs yet. I'm sure he can put some positive spin on this story. Ha ha this story has made my year. Perhaps Kitkat will become a traveller.[/p][/quote]I think he will become a traveller, he obviously admires them so much.Martin999

The cycle lane in The Drive was indeed a Labour idea. Then when it was discovered to not be a success they got a quote to remove it. The quote was one million pounds, so rather than waste any more of our money they decided to leave it.

The cycle lane in The Drive was indeed a Labour idea. Then when it was discovered to not be a success they got a quote to remove it. The quote was one million pounds, so rather than waste any more of our money they decided to leave it.Martin999

Whilst the Green administration might not have started the mess Labour left the city in they have not done much in improving it either, all the cycle paths, road improvement and hybrid buses etc are not pioneering concepts and most likely would have been put in place in some form regardless if it was Labour, Conservative, Green or Lib Dems (they still exist in the south east I'm told).
All these parties have their own agendas that only concentrate on improving the parties image nationally with gimmicky concepts that produce very little benefit for the residents.
For once I would like to see a small local party that is dedicated to just Brighton & Hove and not consumed with errors of past national governments, infighting and d**k waving contests!

Whilst the Green administration might not have started the mess Labour left the city in they have not done much in improving it either, all the cycle paths, road improvement and hybrid buses etc are not pioneering concepts and most likely would have been put in place in some form regardless if it was Labour, Conservative, Green or Lib Dems (they still exist in the south east I'm told).
All these parties have their own agendas that only concentrate on improving the parties image nationally with gimmicky concepts that produce very little benefit for the residents.
For once I would like to see a small local party that is dedicated to just Brighton & Hove and not consumed with errors of past national governments, infighting and d**k waving contests!Bugzy84

He is leaving because the green party know they can not win again with him as leader.

They will still have the same standards that are ruining this city. I hope people see this and do not vote for them.

The traffic is worse after the road works have been done compared to when the road works were there.

Social experiment gone wrong which has led to the majority suffering.

He is leaving because the green party know they can not win again with him as leader.
They will still have the same standards that are ruining this city. I hope people see this and do not vote for them.
The traffic is worse after the road works have been done compared to when the road works were there.
Social experiment gone wrong which has led to the majority suffering.roystony

i concur, lets just hope we can get a situation with local government that they will speak for the majority and not a very small minority .

[quote][p][bold]Sezbee[/bold] wrote:
At last he's doing what the majority want.[/p][/quote]i concur, lets just hope we can get a situation with local government that they will speak for the majority and not a very small minority .dbtcam

Brighton & Hove is part of the politically centralised UK, soon to be disunited perhaps.

On a positive note, I'm sure the inexperienced Greens have learnt much from their time in power. With their supporters in Europe I'm sure the party will review its methods and strategies and continue to campaign for the kinds of sustainable changes that will benefit all.

Brighton & Hove is part of the politically centralised UK, soon to be disunited perhaps.
On a positive note, I'm sure the inexperienced Greens have learnt much from their time in power. With their supporters in Europe I'm sure the party will review its methods and strategies and continue to campaign for the kinds of sustainable changes that will benefit all.Zeta Function

He is going to get a Mullet and join his traveller (P1key Cant) mates on the road. I don't blame him - going from place to place Facking everyone off, leaving rubbish and just generally disrespecting everyone does have a certain attraction. Of course its not for your normal law and morally respectful person - but being the head of the green party I guess does change you. (Or maybe he was that way in the first place). I wonder if he is any good at bare knuckle boxing?, I know a man who knows a man who can get him a dog.

He is going to get a Mullet and join his traveller (P1key Cant) mates on the road. I don't blame him - going from place to place Facking everyone off, leaving rubbish and just generally disrespecting everyone does have a certain attraction. Of course its not for your normal law and morally respectful person - but being the head of the green party I guess does change you. (Or maybe he was that way in the first place). I wonder if he is any good at bare knuckle boxing?, I know a man who knows a man who can get him a dog.leftysmellbags

claymore13 wrote:
Finally you realise your about as much use to politics and running councils as a chocolate tea pot. A bit late now all the damage you have done to the city. Still enjoy sitting in the traffic jams and chaos your transport policies have created and smile knowing the amount of tax payer’s money you have thrown down the drain you complete tool !

Another d***head who seems to forget that it was Tories and Labour who brought in bus lanes, zoned residents permit parking and parking charges generally - and doesn't realise that those parties wont change anything the Greens have done because THEY AGREE WITH THEM you empty!!

They should eventually realise

@Gribbet and @brighton bluenose - the other parties may have introduced bus lanes, residents parking and parking charges, but it has taken the irresponsible idealist greens, under direction from a pro-cycling bigot to really screw everything up and add in unused cycle lanes and unenforceable 20mph zones resulting in worse congestion and higher pollution levels.

Yes the greens - a party of real geniuses!

Please keep up the t*rd polishing - hopefully you and your loathsome party are now in terminal decline and will do the honourable thing and call a full council election and let another party who considers residents, businesses and visitors take charge.

I have seen a lot of positive comments about Jason - unfortunately he chose to align himself to the greens rather than a responsible party and he wanted to become leader of this disparate group of reprobate green councillors - the role wasn't, AFAIK, forced upon him.

I guess he can go back to his IT work with the Open Rights groups who probably know little, nor care, about his green party failings.

Unused cycle lanes?! How about the one in The Drive - now
that wasn't installed by 'idealist Greens' was it?!!
And you, of course, fail to discuss the fact that the other parties won't rescind a single measure the Greens have introduced!!

Unused cycle lanes - yes - the Old Shoreham Road ones used by about 20 bikes a day. Just because the Drive one was introduced by a previous council doesn't make the Old Shoreham Road one right.

How does a green party spokesman, such as yourself, know that the new council (you know you are in terminal decline now!) won't rescind any of the measures? Perhaps they might get the real traffic experts in to review the abomination of cut-price amateurish traffic projects and come up with realistic pragmatic ways of dealing with traffic issues in the city.

You must be getting really desperate if that is all you can come up with to support the wretched green councillors...just keep up the polishing...

[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]G Wiley[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]claymore13[/bold] wrote:
Finally you realise your about as much use to politics and running councils as a chocolate tea pot. A bit late now all the damage you have done to the city. Still enjoy sitting in the traffic jams and chaos your transport policies have created and smile knowing the amount of tax payer’s money you have thrown down the drain you complete tool ![/p][/quote]Another d***head who seems to forget that it was Tories and Labour who brought in bus lanes, zoned residents permit parking and parking charges generally - and doesn't realise that those parties wont change anything the Greens have done because THEY AGREE WITH THEM you empty!![/p][/quote]They should eventually realise[/p][/quote]@Gribbet and @brighton bluenose - the other parties may have introduced bus lanes, residents parking and parking charges, but it has taken the irresponsible idealist greens, under direction from a pro-cycling bigot to really screw everything up and add in unused cycle lanes and unenforceable 20mph zones resulting in worse congestion and higher pollution levels.
Yes the greens - a party of real geniuses!
Please keep up the t*rd polishing - hopefully you and your loathsome party are now in terminal decline and will do the honourable thing and call a full council election and let another party who considers residents, businesses and visitors take charge.
I have seen a lot of positive comments about Jason - unfortunately he chose to align himself to the greens rather than a responsible party and he wanted to become leader of this disparate group of reprobate green councillors - the role wasn't, AFAIK, forced upon him.
I guess he can go back to his IT work with the Open Rights groups who probably know little, nor care, about his green party failings.[/p][/quote]Unused cycle lanes?! How about the one in The Drive - now
that wasn't installed by 'idealist Greens' was it?!!
And you, of course, fail to discuss the fact that the other parties won't rescind a single measure the Greens have introduced!![/p][/quote]Unused cycle lanes - yes - the Old Shoreham Road ones used by about 20 bikes a day. Just because the Drive one was introduced by a previous council doesn't make the Old Shoreham Road one right.
How does a green party spokesman, such as yourself, know that the new council (you know you are in terminal decline now!) won't rescind any of the measures? Perhaps they might get the real traffic experts in to review the abomination of cut-price amateurish traffic projects and come up with realistic pragmatic ways of dealing with traffic issues in the city.
You must be getting really desperate if that is all you can come up with to support the wretched green councillors...just keep up the polishing...G Wiley

Martin999 wrote:
The cycle lane in The Drive was indeed a Labour idea. Then when it was discovered to not be a success they got a quote to remove it. The quote was one million pounds, so rather than waste any more of our money they decided to leave it.

No they didn't just leave it. The Conservatives wanted to rip up the cycle lane to appease their supporters along The Drive, but because of the outrage from so many and protests, the labour and green councillors voted out the plans. It was the final humiliation for a Conservative administration that achieved nothing.

[quote][p][bold]Martin999[/bold] wrote:
The cycle lane in The Drive was indeed a Labour idea. Then when it was discovered to not be a success they got a quote to remove it. The quote was one million pounds, so rather than waste any more of our money they decided to leave it.[/p][/quote]No they didn't just leave it. The Conservatives wanted to rip up the cycle lane to appease their supporters along The Drive, but because of the outrage from so many and protests, the labour and green councillors voted out the plans. It was the final humiliation for a Conservative administration that achieved nothing.HJarrs

[quote][p][bold]Hove Actually[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote:
So what IS his real name?
Anyone who answers Michael Twix will be shouted at.[/p][/quote]You will Snicker when you know.........[/p][/quote]D'oh!stevo!!

claymore13 wrote:
Finally you realise your about as much use to politics and running councils as a chocolate tea pot. A bit late now all the damage you have done to the city. Still enjoy sitting in the traffic jams and chaos your transport policies have created and smile knowing the amount of tax payer’s money you have thrown down the drain you complete tool !

Another d***head who seems to forget that it was Tories and Labour who brought in bus lanes, zoned residents permit parking and parking charges generally - and doesn't realise that those parties wont change anything the Greens have done because THEY AGREE WITH THEM you empty!!

They should eventually realise

@Gribbet and @brighton bluenose - the other parties may have introduced bus lanes, residents parking and parking charges, but it has taken the irresponsible idealist greens, under direction from a pro-cycling bigot to really screw everything up and add in unused cycle lanes and unenforceable 20mph zones resulting in worse congestion and higher pollution levels.

Yes the greens - a party of real geniuses!

Please keep up the t*rd polishing - hopefully you and your loathsome party are now in terminal decline and will do the honourable thing and call a full council election and let another party who considers residents, businesses and visitors take charge.

I have seen a lot of positive comments about Jason - unfortunately he chose to align himself to the greens rather than a responsible party and he wanted to become leader of this disparate group of reprobate green councillors - the role wasn't, AFAIK, forced upon him.

I guess he can go back to his IT work with the Open Rights groups who probably know little, nor care, about his green party failings.

Unused cycle lanes?! How about the one in The Drive - now
that wasn't installed by 'idealist Greens' was it?!!
And you, of course, fail to discuss the fact that the other parties won't rescind a single measure the Greens have introduced!!

Unused cycle lanes - yes - the Old Shoreham Road ones used by about 20 bikes a day. Just because the Drive one was introduced by a previous council doesn't make the Old Shoreham Road one right.

How does a green party spokesman, such as yourself, know that the new council (you know you are in terminal decline now!) won't rescind any of the measures? Perhaps they might get the real traffic experts in to review the abomination of cut-price amateurish traffic projects and come up with realistic pragmatic ways of dealing with traffic issues in the city.

You must be getting really desperate if that is all you can come up with to support the wretched green councillors...just keep up the polishing...

Gribbet, is it true what Patchy wrote? Are you in terminal decline? Tell me it's not true!

[quote][p][bold]G Wiley[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]G Wiley[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]claymore13[/bold] wrote:
Finally you realise your about as much use to politics and running councils as a chocolate tea pot. A bit late now all the damage you have done to the city. Still enjoy sitting in the traffic jams and chaos your transport policies have created and smile knowing the amount of tax payer’s money you have thrown down the drain you complete tool ![/p][/quote]Another d***head who seems to forget that it was Tories and Labour who brought in bus lanes, zoned residents permit parking and parking charges generally - and doesn't realise that those parties wont change anything the Greens have done because THEY AGREE WITH THEM you empty!![/p][/quote]They should eventually realise[/p][/quote]@Gribbet and @brighton bluenose - the other parties may have introduced bus lanes, residents parking and parking charges, but it has taken the irresponsible idealist greens, under direction from a pro-cycling bigot to really screw everything up and add in unused cycle lanes and unenforceable 20mph zones resulting in worse congestion and higher pollution levels.
Yes the greens - a party of real geniuses!
Please keep up the t*rd polishing - hopefully you and your loathsome party are now in terminal decline and will do the honourable thing and call a full council election and let another party who considers residents, businesses and visitors take charge.
I have seen a lot of positive comments about Jason - unfortunately he chose to align himself to the greens rather than a responsible party and he wanted to become leader of this disparate group of reprobate green councillors - the role wasn't, AFAIK, forced upon him.
I guess he can go back to his IT work with the Open Rights groups who probably know little, nor care, about his green party failings.[/p][/quote]Unused cycle lanes?! How about the one in The Drive - now
that wasn't installed by 'idealist Greens' was it?!!
And you, of course, fail to discuss the fact that the other parties won't rescind a single measure the Greens have introduced!![/p][/quote]Unused cycle lanes - yes - the Old Shoreham Road ones used by about 20 bikes a day. Just because the Drive one was introduced by a previous council doesn't make the Old Shoreham Road one right.
How does a green party spokesman, such as yourself, know that the new council (you know you are in terminal decline now!) won't rescind any of the measures? Perhaps they might get the real traffic experts in to review the abomination of cut-price amateurish traffic projects and come up with realistic pragmatic ways of dealing with traffic issues in the city.
You must be getting really desperate if that is all you can come up with to support the wretched green councillors...just keep up the polishing...[/p][/quote]Gribbet, is it true what Patchy wrote? Are you in terminal decline? Tell me it's not true!HJarrs

claymore13 wrote:
Finally you realise your about as much use to politics and running councils as a chocolate tea pot. A bit late now all the damage you have done to the city. Still enjoy sitting in the traffic jams and chaos your transport policies have created and smile knowing the amount of tax payer’s money you have thrown down the drain you complete tool !

Another d***head who seems to forget that it was Tories and Labour who brought in bus lanes, zoned residents permit parking and parking charges generally - and doesn't realise that those parties wont change anything the Greens have done because THEY AGREE WITH THEM you empty!!

They should eventually realise

@Gribbet and @brighton bluenose - the other parties may have introduced bus lanes, residents parking and parking charges, but it has taken the irresponsible idealist greens, under direction from a pro-cycling bigot to really screw everything up and add in unused cycle lanes and unenforceable 20mph zones resulting in worse congestion and higher pollution levels.

Yes the greens - a party of real geniuses!

Please keep up the t*rd polishing - hopefully you and your loathsome party are now in terminal decline and will do the honourable thing and call a full council election and let another party who considers residents, businesses and visitors take charge.

I have seen a lot of positive comments about Jason - unfortunately he chose to align himself to the greens rather than a responsible party and he wanted to become leader of this disparate group of reprobate green councillors - the role wasn't, AFAIK, forced upon him.

I guess he can go back to his IT work with the Open Rights groups who probably know little, nor care, about his green party failings.

Unused cycle lanes?! How about the one in The Drive - now
that wasn't installed by 'idealist Greens' was it?!!
And you, of course, fail to discuss the fact that the other parties won't rescind a single measure the Greens have introduced!!

Unused cycle lanes - yes - the Old Shoreham Road ones used by about 20 bikes a day. Just because the Drive one was introduced by a previous council doesn't make the Old Shoreham Road one right.

How does a green party spokesman, such as yourself, know that the new council (you know you are in terminal decline now!) won't rescind any of the measures? Perhaps they might get the real traffic experts in to review the abomination of cut-price amateurish traffic projects and come up with realistic pragmatic ways of dealing with traffic issues in the city.

You must be getting really desperate if that is all you can come up with to support the wretched green councillors...just keep up the polishing...

Gribbet, is it true what Patchy wrote? Are you in terminal decline? Tell me it's not true!

Oh good he she or both is commenting again. More hate for anybody who has got a few bob ie, people in the drive. God bless him her it.

[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]G Wiley[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]G Wiley[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]claymore13[/bold] wrote:
Finally you realise your about as much use to politics and running councils as a chocolate tea pot. A bit late now all the damage you have done to the city. Still enjoy sitting in the traffic jams and chaos your transport policies have created and smile knowing the amount of tax payer’s money you have thrown down the drain you complete tool ![/p][/quote]Another d***head who seems to forget that it was Tories and Labour who brought in bus lanes, zoned residents permit parking and parking charges generally - and doesn't realise that those parties wont change anything the Greens have done because THEY AGREE WITH THEM you empty!![/p][/quote]They should eventually realise[/p][/quote]@Gribbet and @brighton bluenose - the other parties may have introduced bus lanes, residents parking and parking charges, but it has taken the irresponsible idealist greens, under direction from a pro-cycling bigot to really screw everything up and add in unused cycle lanes and unenforceable 20mph zones resulting in worse congestion and higher pollution levels.
Yes the greens - a party of real geniuses!
Please keep up the t*rd polishing - hopefully you and your loathsome party are now in terminal decline and will do the honourable thing and call a full council election and let another party who considers residents, businesses and visitors take charge.
I have seen a lot of positive comments about Jason - unfortunately he chose to align himself to the greens rather than a responsible party and he wanted to become leader of this disparate group of reprobate green councillors - the role wasn't, AFAIK, forced upon him.
I guess he can go back to his IT work with the Open Rights groups who probably know little, nor care, about his green party failings.[/p][/quote]Unused cycle lanes?! How about the one in The Drive - now
that wasn't installed by 'idealist Greens' was it?!!
And you, of course, fail to discuss the fact that the other parties won't rescind a single measure the Greens have introduced!![/p][/quote]Unused cycle lanes - yes - the Old Shoreham Road ones used by about 20 bikes a day. Just because the Drive one was introduced by a previous council doesn't make the Old Shoreham Road one right.
How does a green party spokesman, such as yourself, know that the new council (you know you are in terminal decline now!) won't rescind any of the measures? Perhaps they might get the real traffic experts in to review the abomination of cut-price amateurish traffic projects and come up with realistic pragmatic ways of dealing with traffic issues in the city.
You must be getting really desperate if that is all you can come up with to support the wretched green councillors...just keep up the polishing...[/p][/quote]Gribbet, is it true what Patchy wrote? Are you in terminal decline? Tell me it's not true![/p][/quote]Oh good he she or both is commenting again. More hate for anybody who has got a few bob ie, people in the drive. God bless him her it.Worriedofbrighton

claymore13 wrote:
Finally you realise your about as much use to politics and running councils as a chocolate tea pot. A bit late now all the damage you have done to the city. Still enjoy sitting in the traffic jams and chaos your transport policies have created and smile knowing the amount of tax payer’s money you have thrown down the drain you complete tool !

Another d***head who seems to forget that it was Tories and Labour who brought in bus lanes, zoned residents permit parking and parking charges generally - and doesn't realise that those parties wont change anything the Greens have done because THEY AGREE WITH THEM you empty!!

They should eventually realise

@Gribbet and @brighton bluenose - the other parties may have introduced bus lanes, residents parking and parking charges, but it has taken the irresponsible idealist greens, under direction from a pro-cycling bigot to really screw everything up and add in unused cycle lanes and unenforceable 20mph zones resulting in worse congestion and higher pollution levels.

Yes the greens - a party of real geniuses!

Please keep up the t*rd polishing - hopefully you and your loathsome party are now in terminal decline and will do the honourable thing and call a full council election and let another party who considers residents, businesses and visitors take charge.

I have seen a lot of positive comments about Jason - unfortunately he chose to align himself to the greens rather than a responsible party and he wanted to become leader of this disparate group of reprobate green councillors - the role wasn't, AFAIK, forced upon him.

I guess he can go back to his IT work with the Open Rights groups who probably know little, nor care, about his green party failings.

Unused cycle lanes?! How about the one in The Drive - now
that wasn't installed by 'idealist Greens' was it?!!
And you, of course, fail to discuss the fact that the other parties won't rescind a single measure the Greens have introduced!!

Unused cycle lanes - yes - the Old Shoreham Road ones used by about 20 bikes a day. Just because the Drive one was introduced by a previous council doesn't make the Old Shoreham Road one right.

How does a green party spokesman, such as yourself, know that the new council (you know you are in terminal decline now!) won't rescind any of the measures? Perhaps they might get the real traffic experts in to review the abomination of cut-price amateurish traffic projects and come up with realistic pragmatic ways of dealing with traffic issues in the city.

You must be getting really desperate if that is all you can come up with to support the wretched green councillors...just keep up the polishing...

Gribbet, is it true what Patchy wrote? Are you in terminal decline? Tell me it's not true!

Don't think so. At least I hope not, unless he knows something that I don't.

[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]G Wiley[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]G Wiley[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]claymore13[/bold] wrote:
Finally you realise your about as much use to politics and running councils as a chocolate tea pot. A bit late now all the damage you have done to the city. Still enjoy sitting in the traffic jams and chaos your transport policies have created and smile knowing the amount of tax payer’s money you have thrown down the drain you complete tool ![/p][/quote]Another d***head who seems to forget that it was Tories and Labour who brought in bus lanes, zoned residents permit parking and parking charges generally - and doesn't realise that those parties wont change anything the Greens have done because THEY AGREE WITH THEM you empty!![/p][/quote]They should eventually realise[/p][/quote]@Gribbet and @brighton bluenose - the other parties may have introduced bus lanes, residents parking and parking charges, but it has taken the irresponsible idealist greens, under direction from a pro-cycling bigot to really screw everything up and add in unused cycle lanes and unenforceable 20mph zones resulting in worse congestion and higher pollution levels.
Yes the greens - a party of real geniuses!
Please keep up the t*rd polishing - hopefully you and your loathsome party are now in terminal decline and will do the honourable thing and call a full council election and let another party who considers residents, businesses and visitors take charge.
I have seen a lot of positive comments about Jason - unfortunately he chose to align himself to the greens rather than a responsible party and he wanted to become leader of this disparate group of reprobate green councillors - the role wasn't, AFAIK, forced upon him.
I guess he can go back to his IT work with the Open Rights groups who probably know little, nor care, about his green party failings.[/p][/quote]Unused cycle lanes?! How about the one in The Drive - now
that wasn't installed by 'idealist Greens' was it?!!
And you, of course, fail to discuss the fact that the other parties won't rescind a single measure the Greens have introduced!![/p][/quote]Unused cycle lanes - yes - the Old Shoreham Road ones used by about 20 bikes a day. Just because the Drive one was introduced by a previous council doesn't make the Old Shoreham Road one right.
How does a green party spokesman, such as yourself, know that the new council (you know you are in terminal decline now!) won't rescind any of the measures? Perhaps they might get the real traffic experts in to review the abomination of cut-price amateurish traffic projects and come up with realistic pragmatic ways of dealing with traffic issues in the city.
You must be getting really desperate if that is all you can come up with to support the wretched green councillors...just keep up the polishing...[/p][/quote]Gribbet, is it true what Patchy wrote? Are you in terminal decline? Tell me it's not true![/p][/quote]Don't think so. At least I hope not, unless he knows something that I don't.Gribbet

[quote][p][bold]Hove Actually[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote:
So what IS his real name?
Anyone who answers Michael Twix will be shouted at.[/p][/quote]You will Snicker when you know.........[/p][/quote]I dont know, but I would like to put a Bounty on his head.Mart

[quote][p][bold]Mart[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Hove Actually[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote:
So what IS his real name?
Anyone who answers Michael Twix will be shouted at.[/p][/quote]You will Snicker when you know.........[/p][/quote]I dont know, but I would like to put a Bounty on his head.[/p][/quote]Jeez.....I didn't expect a Marathon discussion on this.stevo!!

[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Mart[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Hove Actually[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote:
So what IS his real name?
Anyone who answers Michael Twix will be shouted at.[/p][/quote]You will Snicker when you know.........[/p][/quote]I dont know, but I would like to put a Bounty on his head.[/p][/quote]Jeez.....I didn't expect a Marathon discussion on this.[/p][/quote]Nice to see that he is going to Breakaway from active politics.Man of steel

Name was probably Jason Flake but the surname would have been thought far to appropriate!

[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Hove Actually[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote:
So what IS his real name?
Anyone who answers Michael Twix will be shouted at.[/p][/quote]You will Snicker when you know.........[/p][/quote]D'oh![/p][/quote]Name was probably Jason Flake but the surname would have been thought far to appropriate!makoshark

T!
I guess Mr Kitkat will change his name again, (that is not his birth surname), so he can disappear into oblivion!

Did you know Mr Marathon changed his name to Mr Snicker

[quote][p][bold]Gardenboy[/bold] wrote:
I'm devastated........NO
T!
I guess Mr Kitkat will change his name again, (that is not his birth surname), so he can disappear into oblivion![/p][/quote]Did you know Mr Marathon changed his name to Mr SnickerStrange Town

Great to see the green party official chuckle brothers @HJarrs and @Gribbet think that the green party is still going strong and has no problems.

What a professional attitude - guess they learnt it from that hilarious councillor Ben Duncan. Roll on May 2015...

Great to see the green party official chuckle brothers @HJarrs and @Gribbet think that the green party is still going strong and has no problems.
What a professional attitude - guess they learnt it from that hilarious councillor Ben Duncan. Roll on May 2015...G Wiley

Warren Morgan wrote:
He decided to stand down in 2011, before the Greens won, before he was selected to run for the European Parliament, before he ran for Leader of the Council? Really?

Wow and this the Leader of the Labour Party! No wonder the Labour vote is draining away.

[quote][p][bold]Warren Morgan[/bold] wrote:
He decided to stand down in 2011, before the Greens won, before he was selected to run for the European Parliament, before he ran for Leader of the Council? Really?[/p][/quote]Wow and this the Leader of the Labour Party! No wonder the Labour vote is draining away.HJarrs

Not as quickly as the Green vote is draining away. Now we just need the other Green members and voters to drain away back to London and their other home towns as they are draining the lifeblood from the city. Their plans to gentrify a working class town have backfired and they just didn't get the working people in this town.
When will our recycling service get back to the pre 2007 figures Warren? It's shameful that we have a Green council and recycling rates have dropped to such shamefully low figures. Too busy meddling in Middle East politics and armchair anarchy and attending PR photoshoots.
Or will we have to wait for Mary Mears to return to kick some ****.....or just actually deliver core services.

Not as quickly as the Green vote is draining away. Now we just need the other Green members and voters to drain away back to London and their other home towns as they are draining the lifeblood from the city. Their plans to gentrify a working class town have backfired and they just didn't get the working people in this town.
When will our recycling service get back to the pre 2007 figures Warren? It's shameful that we have a Green council and recycling rates have dropped to such shamefully low figures. Too busy meddling in Middle East politics and armchair anarchy and attending PR photoshoots.
Or will we have to wait for Mary Mears to return to kick some ****.....or just actually deliver core services.Maxwell's Ghost

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Not as quickly as the Green vote is draining away. Now we just need the other Green members and voters to drain away back to London and their other home towns as they are draining the lifeblood from the city. Their plans to gentrify a working class town have backfired and they just didn't get the working people in this town.
When will our recycling service get back to the pre 2007 figures Warren? It's shameful that we have a Green council and recycling rates have dropped to such shamefully low figures. Too busy meddling in Middle East politics and armchair anarchy and attending PR photoshoots.
Or will we have to wait for Mary Mears to return to kick some ****.....or just actually deliver core services.

I am afraid the Euro's do not back you up.

Labour long left the "working class" however you wish to define this and you are middle class!

[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote:
Not as quickly as the Green vote is draining away. Now we just need the other Green members and voters to drain away back to London and their other home towns as they are draining the lifeblood from the city. Their plans to gentrify a working class town have backfired and they just didn't get the working people in this town.
When will our recycling service get back to the pre 2007 figures Warren? It's shameful that we have a Green council and recycling rates have dropped to such shamefully low figures. Too busy meddling in Middle East politics and armchair anarchy and attending PR photoshoots.
Or will we have to wait for Mary Mears to return to kick some ****.....or just actually deliver core services.[/p][/quote]I am afraid the Euro's do not back you up.
Labour long left the "working class" however you wish to define this and you are middle class!HJarrs

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Not as quickly as the Green vote is draining away. Now we just need the other Green members and voters to drain away back to London and their other home towns as they are draining the lifeblood from the city. Their plans to gentrify a working class town have backfired and they just didn't get the working people in this town.
When will our recycling service get back to the pre 2007 figures Warren? It's shameful that we have a Green council and recycling rates have dropped to such shamefully low figures. Too busy meddling in Middle East politics and armchair anarchy and attending PR photoshoots.
Or will we have to wait for Mary Mears to return to kick some ****.....or just actually deliver core services.

If you check the Green vote from this Euro election and compare it to the Green vote from the 2009 election, not much has really changed in terms of local support for the Greens.

Even with all the bad press in the Argus and Daily Mail over the last 5 years, the fact is that 94% of the people voting Green in 2009 are still voting Green in 2014.

That should worry you a lot more than it worries me.

[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote:
Not as quickly as the Green vote is draining away. Now we just need the other Green members and voters to drain away back to London and their other home towns as they are draining the lifeblood from the city. Their plans to gentrify a working class town have backfired and they just didn't get the working people in this town.
When will our recycling service get back to the pre 2007 figures Warren? It's shameful that we have a Green council and recycling rates have dropped to such shamefully low figures. Too busy meddling in Middle East politics and armchair anarchy and attending PR photoshoots.
Or will we have to wait for Mary Mears to return to kick some ****.....or just actually deliver core services.[/p][/quote]If you check the Green vote from this Euro election and compare it to the Green vote from the 2009 election, not much has really changed in terms of local support for the Greens.
Even with all the bad press in the Argus and Daily Mail over the last 5 years, the fact is that 94% of the people voting Green in 2009 are still voting Green in 2014.
That should worry you a lot more than it worries me.Gribbet

I think JK's legacy will be to have not only kept the city going forward and budget balances at a time of savage government cuts that have seen many Labour, Conservative and Liberal councils close childrens centres and libraries etc, but also to have put the city on a firm footing for a future.

He has definitely been influential in making the Greater Brighton City Deal a success. According to the B&H Quarterly Economic Bulletin this will create 8500 jobs in the medium term, good quality jobs in Brighton. This is something to be proud of.

I think JK's legacy will be to have not only kept the city going forward and budget balances at a time of savage government cuts that have seen many Labour, Conservative and Liberal councils close childrens centres and libraries etc, but also to have put the city on a firm footing for a future.
He has definitely been influential in making the Greater Brighton City Deal a success. According to the B&H Quarterly Economic Bulletin this will create 8500 jobs in the medium term, good quality jobs in Brighton. This is something to be proud of.HJarrs

asterixobelix wrote:
I was informed last year that Kitty Kat was going to take over the running of the refuse services. It explained a huge amount about his attitude to the bin strikes. I think in politics it's called not declaring your interests.

Like the alleged affiliation with a certain contractor called Edburton that I heard a rumour about, which is apparently behind the change of surname to the name of a chocolate bar?

[quote][p][bold]asterixobelix[/bold] wrote:
I was informed last year that Kitty Kat was going to take over the running of the refuse services. It explained a huge amount about his attitude to the bin strikes. I think in politics it's called not declaring your interests.[/p][/quote]Like the alleged affiliation with a certain contractor called Edburton that I heard a rumour about, which is apparently behind the change of surname to the name of a chocolate bar?ghost bus driver

HJarrs wrote:
I think JK's legacy will be to have not only kept the city going forward and budget balances at a time of savage government cuts that have seen many Labour, Conservative and Liberal councils close childrens centres and libraries etc, but also to have put the city on a firm footing for a future.

He has definitely been influential in making the Greater Brighton City Deal a success. According to the B&amp;H Quarterly Economic Bulletin this will create 8500 jobs in the medium term, good quality jobs in Brighton. This is something to be proud of.

Oh, f*ck off, you c*nt.

[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote:
I think JK's legacy will be to have not only kept the city going forward and budget balances at a time of savage government cuts that have seen many Labour, Conservative and Liberal councils close childrens centres and libraries etc, but also to have put the city on a firm footing for a future.
He has definitely been influential in making the Greater Brighton City Deal a success. According to the B&H Quarterly Economic Bulletin this will create 8500 jobs in the medium term, good quality jobs in Brighton. This is something to be proud of.[/p][/quote]Oh, f*ck off, you c*nt.stevo!!

HJarrs wrote:
I think JK's legacy will be to have not only kept the city going forward and budget balances at a time of savage government cuts that have seen many Labour, Conservative and Liberal councils close childrens centres and libraries etc, but also to have put the city on a firm footing for a future.

He has definitely been influential in making the Greater Brighton City Deal a success. According to the B&amp;H Quarterly Economic Bulletin this will create 8500 jobs in the medium term, good quality jobs in Brighton. This is something to be proud of.

Oh, f*ck off, you c*nt.

[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote:
I think JK's legacy will be to have not only kept the city going forward and budget balances at a time of savage government cuts that have seen many Labour, Conservative and Liberal councils close childrens centres and libraries etc, but also to have put the city on a firm footing for a future.
He has definitely been influential in making the Greater Brighton City Deal a success. According to the B&H Quarterly Economic Bulletin this will create 8500 jobs in the medium term, good quality jobs in Brighton. This is something to be proud of.[/p][/quote]Oh, f*ck off, you c*nt.stevo!!

Considering the Greens took power in Brighton gaining a huge swing from the mainstream parties, one would have expected far more gains in Europe, but the actual trend in real terms was a significant drop in your support and you lost the Elm Grove bi election.
Never mind, data reporting and stats have never been one of the Green's strongest point not has the environment or recycling. No one is really sure what your achievements have been as they are never presented with third party independent audited facts and stats. They are usually opinions presented as fact, better known as lies or spin.

Considering the Greens took power in Brighton gaining a huge swing from the mainstream parties, one would have expected far more gains in Europe, but the actual trend in real terms was a significant drop in your support and you lost the Elm Grove bi election.
Never mind, data reporting and stats have never been one of the Green's strongest point not has the environment or recycling. No one is really sure what your achievements have been as they are never presented with third party independent audited facts and stats. They are usually opinions presented as fact, better known as lies or spin.Maxwell's Ghost

brighton bluenose wrote:
Good luck to a decent man who wishes to continue to serve the public.......unlike the moanerati on here, 99.99% of whom whinge but will do sweet FA to actually try and change anything for the better!!

Define 'better'.

The point is that it's easy to whinge rather than put your head above the parapet!

[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote:
Good luck to a decent man who wishes to continue to serve the public.......unlike the moanerati on here, 99.99% of whom whinge but will do sweet FA to actually try and change anything for the better!![/p][/quote]Define 'better'.[/p][/quote]The point is that it's easy to whinge rather than put your head above the parapet!brighton bluenose

T!
I guess Mr Kitkat will change his name again, (that is not his birth surname), so he can disappear into oblivion!

What's his real name then? And more importantly if you were going to change your original birth surname why would you change it to &quot;Kitcat"?

He has always claimed that Kitkat is his real name. Which just shows how stupid he thinks we all are. Goodbye Jason, please don't come back.

So you really don't know whether it's his real name or not especially as you can't tell us his 'real' name - what a tw@t you are!!

[quote][p][bold]Martin999[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]KarenT[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Gardenboy[/bold] wrote:
I'm devastated........NO
T!
I guess Mr Kitkat will change his name again, (that is not his birth surname), so he can disappear into oblivion![/p][/quote]What's his real name then? And more importantly if you were going to change your original birth surname why would you change it to "Kitcat"?[/p][/quote]He has always claimed that Kitkat is his real name. Which just shows how stupid he thinks we all are. Goodbye Jason, please don't come back.[/p][/quote]So you really don't know whether it's his real name or not especially as you can't tell us his 'real' name - what a tw@t you are!!brighton bluenose

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Considering the Greens took power in Brighton gaining a huge swing from the mainstream parties, one would have expected far more gains in Europe, but the actual trend in real terms was a significant drop in your support and you lost the Elm Grove bi election.
Never mind, data reporting and stats have never been one of the Green's strongest point not has the environment or recycling. No one is really sure what your achievements have been as they are never presented with third party independent audited facts and stats. They are usually opinions presented as fact, better known as lies or spin.

You seem happy to quote from non third party independent audited facts and stats when it's suits you and, let's face it, you make a lot of stuff up. But, I suppose a lot of journos do this.

[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote:
Considering the Greens took power in Brighton gaining a huge swing from the mainstream parties, one would have expected far more gains in Europe, but the actual trend in real terms was a significant drop in your support and you lost the Elm Grove bi election.
Never mind, data reporting and stats have never been one of the Green's strongest point not has the environment or recycling. No one is really sure what your achievements have been as they are never presented with third party independent audited facts and stats. They are usually opinions presented as fact, better known as lies or spin.[/p][/quote]You seem happy to quote from non third party independent audited facts and stats when it's suits you and, let's face it, you make a lot of stuff up. But, I suppose a lot of journos do this.HJarrs

HJarrs wrote:
I think JK's legacy will be to have not only kept the city going forward and budget balances at a time of savage government cuts that have seen many Labour, Conservative and Liberal councils close childrens centres and libraries etc, but also to have put the city on a firm footing for a future. He has definitely been influential in making the Greater Brighton City Deal a success. According to the B&amp;H Quarterly Economic Bulletin this will create 8500 jobs in the medium term, good quality jobs in Brighton. This is something to be proud of.

I thought your post was very amusing until I realised you were serious. Stakhanovism lives on!

[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote:
I think JK's legacy will be to have not only kept the city going forward and budget balances at a time of savage government cuts that have seen many Labour, Conservative and Liberal councils close childrens centres and libraries etc, but also to have put the city on a firm footing for a future. He has definitely been influential in making the Greater Brighton City Deal a success. According to the B&H Quarterly Economic Bulletin this will create 8500 jobs in the medium term, good quality jobs in Brighton. This is something to be proud of.[/p][/quote]I thought your post was very amusing until I realised you were serious. Stakhanovism lives on!Cyril Bolleaux

Warren Morgan wrote:
He decided to stand down in 2011, before the Greens won, before he was selected to run for the European Parliament, before he ran for Leader of the Council? Really?

Wow and this the Leader of the Labour Party! No wonder the Labour vote is draining away.

You won't hear comment from Morgan on the real issues - Labour have screwed this city before and they will do it again!!

[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Warren Morgan[/bold] wrote:
He decided to stand down in 2011, before the Greens won, before he was selected to run for the European Parliament, before he ran for Leader of the Council? Really?[/p][/quote]Wow and this the Leader of the Labour Party! No wonder the Labour vote is draining away.[/p][/quote]You won't hear comment from Morgan on the real issues - Labour have screwed this city before and they will do it again!!brighton bluenose

All my facts are taken from third party audited resources to ensure accuracy. People can then access those sources themselves and trace the governance and audit trail to ensure accuracy. Your opinions don't have this evidence trail. People can check that as simply as posting on here. I have never been a member of any political party, no affiliation to any group so have no desire to make things up but I personally despise elected people treating the public like fools. I believe people should have real facts and figures and transparency from those elected to serve them. You however, have admitted being a member of Labour and the Greens and obviously have motive and need to manipulate the public to support you in any way you can.
What people tdo with the facts that are given to them on here is up to them. All I care about is that the facts are correct. If it affects the way people vote then so be it. How they vote after the facts are given is not my business.
This party is particularly poor at public consultation and fact reporting and reporting performance which is a real shame as people voted them in as an alternative to the mainstream parties.
The Greens missed the opportunity to lead and bring the people with them and they are now paying the price. This isn't down to me or any of the posters on here, it's down to the Green party members. Don't get angry with me HJarrs look at the Greens. You were a Labour member once and now throw stones at them, maybe it's time you started digging into the detail of your latest choice of party to support.

All my facts are taken from third party audited resources to ensure accuracy. People can then access those sources themselves and trace the governance and audit trail to ensure accuracy. Your opinions don't have this evidence trail. People can check that as simply as posting on here. I have never been a member of any political party, no affiliation to any group so have no desire to make things up but I personally despise elected people treating the public like fools. I believe people should have real facts and figures and transparency from those elected to serve them. You however, have admitted being a member of Labour and the Greens and obviously have motive and need to manipulate the public to support you in any way you can.
What people tdo with the facts that are given to them on here is up to them. All I care about is that the facts are correct. If it affects the way people vote then so be it. How they vote after the facts are given is not my business.
This party is particularly poor at public consultation and fact reporting and reporting performance which is a real shame as people voted them in as an alternative to the mainstream parties.
The Greens missed the opportunity to lead and bring the people with them and they are now paying the price. This isn't down to me or any of the posters on here, it's down to the Green party members. Don't get angry with me HJarrs look at the Greens. You were a Labour member once and now throw stones at them, maybe it's time you started digging into the detail of your latest choice of party to support.Maxwell's Ghost

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Not as quickly as the Green vote is draining away. Now we just need the other Green members and voters to drain away back to London and their other home towns as they are draining the lifeblood from the city. Their plans to gentrify a working class town have backfired and they just didn't get the working people in this town.
When will our recycling service get back to the pre 2007 figures Warren? It's shameful that we have a Green council and recycling rates have dropped to such shamefully low figures. Too busy meddling in Middle East politics and armchair anarchy and attending PR photoshoots.
Or will we have to wait for Mary Mears to return to kick some ****.....or just actually deliver core services.

If you check the Green vote from this Euro election and compare it to the Green vote from the 2009 election, not much has really changed in terms of local support for the Greens.

Even with all the bad press in the Argus and Daily Mail over the last 5 years, the fact is that 94% of the people voting Green in 2009 are still voting Green in 2014.

That should worry you a lot more than it worries me.

Maybe, but they don't live in Brighton !

[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote:
Not as quickly as the Green vote is draining away. Now we just need the other Green members and voters to drain away back to London and their other home towns as they are draining the lifeblood from the city. Their plans to gentrify a working class town have backfired and they just didn't get the working people in this town.
When will our recycling service get back to the pre 2007 figures Warren? It's shameful that we have a Green council and recycling rates have dropped to such shamefully low figures. Too busy meddling in Middle East politics and armchair anarchy and attending PR photoshoots.
Or will we have to wait for Mary Mears to return to kick some ****.....or just actually deliver core services.[/p][/quote]If you check the Green vote from this Euro election and compare it to the Green vote from the 2009 election, not much has really changed in terms of local support for the Greens.
Even with all the bad press in the Argus and Daily Mail over the last 5 years, the fact is that 94% of the people voting Green in 2009 are still voting Green in 2014.
That should worry you a lot more than it worries me.[/p][/quote]Maybe, but they don't live in Brighton !gozogull

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
All my facts are taken from third party audited resources to ensure accuracy. People can then access those sources themselves and trace the governance and audit trail to ensure accuracy. Your opinions don't have this evidence trail. People can check that as simply as posting on here. I have never been a member of any political party, no affiliation to any group so have no desire to make things up but I personally despise elected people treating the public like fools. I believe people should have real facts and figures and transparency from those elected to serve them. You however, have admitted being a member of Labour and the Greens and obviously have motive and need to manipulate the public to support you in any way you can.
What people tdo with the facts that are given to them on here is up to them. All I care about is that the facts are correct. If it affects the way people vote then so be it. How they vote after the facts are given is not my business.
This party is particularly poor at public consultation and fact reporting and reporting performance which is a real shame as people voted them in as an alternative to the mainstream parties.
The Greens missed the opportunity to lead and bring the people with them and they are now paying the price. This isn't down to me or any of the posters on here, it's down to the Green party members. Don't get angry with me HJarrs look at the Greens. You were a Labour member once and now throw stones at them, maybe it's time you started digging into the detail of your latest choice of party to support.

I don't have an issue with opinion, but many of your "facts" are made up guff, Maxy. My favourites...the Level is below sea level (hence drainage issues), only twenty people cycle down Lewes Rd, post cycle route opening later upped to 150 (actual published figures 700+ and 2400+ respectively). I recall pasting up links to relevant links to documents, as I have done on many occasions.

As for your statement "all I care about is that the facts are correct", you will have the regulars in the comments cracking up, it's like the time you said you are objective. Your hate the Greens with a passion because they are there it permeates your every post and it wouldn't matter what they do. You are biased beyond belief. Journo, biased. Hmmmm, ever thought working for the Labour Argus?

[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote:
All my facts are taken from third party audited resources to ensure accuracy. People can then access those sources themselves and trace the governance and audit trail to ensure accuracy. Your opinions don't have this evidence trail. People can check that as simply as posting on here. I have never been a member of any political party, no affiliation to any group so have no desire to make things up but I personally despise elected people treating the public like fools. I believe people should have real facts and figures and transparency from those elected to serve them. You however, have admitted being a member of Labour and the Greens and obviously have motive and need to manipulate the public to support you in any way you can.
What people tdo with the facts that are given to them on here is up to them. All I care about is that the facts are correct. If it affects the way people vote then so be it. How they vote after the facts are given is not my business.
This party is particularly poor at public consultation and fact reporting and reporting performance which is a real shame as people voted them in as an alternative to the mainstream parties.
The Greens missed the opportunity to lead and bring the people with them and they are now paying the price. This isn't down to me or any of the posters on here, it's down to the Green party members. Don't get angry with me HJarrs look at the Greens. You were a Labour member once and now throw stones at them, maybe it's time you started digging into the detail of your latest choice of party to support.[/p][/quote]I don't have an issue with opinion, but many of your "facts" are made up guff, Maxy. My favourites...the Level is below sea level (hence drainage issues), only twenty people cycle down Lewes Rd, post cycle route opening later upped to 150 (actual published figures 700+ and 2400+ respectively). I recall pasting up links to relevant links to documents, as I have done on many occasions.
As for your statement "all I care about is that the facts are correct", you will have the regulars in the comments cracking up, it's like the time you said you are objective. Your hate the Greens with a passion because they are there it permeates your every post and it wouldn't matter what they do. You are biased beyond belief. Journo, biased. Hmmmm, ever thought working for the Labour Argus?HJarrs

Maxwell's Ghost wrote: All my facts are taken from third party audited resources to ensure accuracy. People can then access those sources themselves and trace the governance and audit trail to ensure accuracy. Your opinions don't have this evidence trail. People can check that as simply as posting on here. I have never been a member of any political party, no affiliation to any group so have no desire to make things up but I personally despise elected people treating the public like fools. I believe people should have real facts and figures and transparency from those elected to serve them. You however, have admitted being a member of Labour and the Greens and obviously have motive and need to manipulate the public to support you in any way you can. What people tdo with the facts that are given to them on here is up to them. All I care about is that the facts are correct. If it affects the way people vote then so be it. How they vote after the facts are given is not my business. This party is particularly poor at public consultation and fact reporting and reporting performance which is a real shame as people voted them in as an alternative to the mainstream parties. The Greens missed the opportunity to lead and bring the people with them and they are now paying the price. This isn't down to me or any of the posters on here, it's down to the Green party members. Don't get angry with me HJarrs look at the Greens. You were a Labour member once and now throw stones at them, maybe it's time you started digging into the detail of your latest choice of party to support.

I don't have an issue with opinion, but many of your &quot;facts" are made up guff, Maxy. My favourites...the Level is below sea level (hence drainage issues), only twenty people cycle down Lewes Rd, post cycle route opening later upped to 150 (actual published figures 700+ and 2400+ respectively). I recall pasting up links to relevant links to documents, as I have done on many occasions. As for your statement "all I care about is that the facts are correct", you will have the regulars in the comments cracking up, it's like the time you said you are objective. Your hate the Greens with a passion because they are there it permeates your every post and it wouldn't matter what they do. You are biased beyond belief. Journo, biased. Hmmmm, ever thought working for the Labour Argus?

Oh Hugh, you sell yourself short. No one cracks up the regulars on this board as well as you do and accusing someone else of being biased beyond belief displays a mastery of irony that I never realised you possessed

[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: All my facts are taken from third party audited resources to ensure accuracy. People can then access those sources themselves and trace the governance and audit trail to ensure accuracy. Your opinions don't have this evidence trail. People can check that as simply as posting on here. I have never been a member of any political party, no affiliation to any group so have no desire to make things up but I personally despise elected people treating the public like fools. I believe people should have real facts and figures and transparency from those elected to serve them. You however, have admitted being a member of Labour and the Greens and obviously have motive and need to manipulate the public to support you in any way you can. What people tdo with the facts that are given to them on here is up to them. All I care about is that the facts are correct. If it affects the way people vote then so be it. How they vote after the facts are given is not my business. This party is particularly poor at public consultation and fact reporting and reporting performance which is a real shame as people voted them in as an alternative to the mainstream parties. The Greens missed the opportunity to lead and bring the people with them and they are now paying the price. This isn't down to me or any of the posters on here, it's down to the Green party members. Don't get angry with me HJarrs look at the Greens. You were a Labour member once and now throw stones at them, maybe it's time you started digging into the detail of your latest choice of party to support.[/p][/quote]I don't have an issue with opinion, but many of your "facts" are made up guff, Maxy. My favourites...the Level is below sea level (hence drainage issues), only twenty people cycle down Lewes Rd, post cycle route opening later upped to 150 (actual published figures 700+ and 2400+ respectively). I recall pasting up links to relevant links to documents, as I have done on many occasions. As for your statement "all I care about is that the facts are correct", you will have the regulars in the comments cracking up, it's like the time you said you are objective. Your hate the Greens with a passion because they are there it permeates your every post and it wouldn't matter what they do. You are biased beyond belief. Journo, biased. Hmmmm, ever thought working for the Labour Argus?[/p][/quote]Oh Hugh, you sell yourself short. No one cracks up the regulars on this board as well as you do and accusing someone else of being biased beyond belief displays a mastery of irony that I never realised you possessedNumber Six

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
All my facts are taken from third party audited resources to ensure accuracy. People can then access those sources themselves and trace the governance and audit trail to ensure accuracy. Your opinions don't have this evidence trail. People can check that as simply as posting on here. I have never been a member of any political party, no affiliation to any group so have no desire to make things up but I personally despise elected people treating the public like fools. I believe people should have real facts and figures and transparency from those elected to serve them. You however, have admitted being a member of Labour and the Greens and obviously have motive and need to manipulate the public to support you in any way you can.
What people tdo with the facts that are given to them on here is up to them. All I care about is that the facts are correct. If it affects the way people vote then so be it. How they vote after the facts are given is not my business.
This party is particularly poor at public consultation and fact reporting and reporting performance which is a real shame as people voted them in as an alternative to the mainstream parties.
The Greens missed the opportunity to lead and bring the people with them and they are now paying the price. This isn't down to me or any of the posters on here, it's down to the Green party members. Don't get angry with me HJarrs look at the Greens. You were a Labour member once and now throw stones at them, maybe it's time you started digging into the detail of your latest choice of party to support.

Provide us with the FACTS backed up with FIGURES that you have presented - because, whilst I stand to be corrected, I don't remember seeing one?!

[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote:
All my facts are taken from third party audited resources to ensure accuracy. People can then access those sources themselves and trace the governance and audit trail to ensure accuracy. Your opinions don't have this evidence trail. People can check that as simply as posting on here. I have never been a member of any political party, no affiliation to any group so have no desire to make things up but I personally despise elected people treating the public like fools. I believe people should have real facts and figures and transparency from those elected to serve them. You however, have admitted being a member of Labour and the Greens and obviously have motive and need to manipulate the public to support you in any way you can.
What people tdo with the facts that are given to them on here is up to them. All I care about is that the facts are correct. If it affects the way people vote then so be it. How they vote after the facts are given is not my business.
This party is particularly poor at public consultation and fact reporting and reporting performance which is a real shame as people voted them in as an alternative to the mainstream parties.
The Greens missed the opportunity to lead and bring the people with them and they are now paying the price. This isn't down to me or any of the posters on here, it's down to the Green party members. Don't get angry with me HJarrs look at the Greens. You were a Labour member once and now throw stones at them, maybe it's time you started digging into the detail of your latest choice of party to support.[/p][/quote]Provide us with the FACTS backed up with FIGURES that you have presented - because, whilst I stand to be corrected, I don't remember seeing one?!brighton bluenose

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
All my facts are taken from third party audited resources to ensure accuracy. People can then access those sources themselves and trace the governance and audit trail to ensure accuracy. Your opinions don't have this evidence trail. People can check that as simply as posting on here. I have never been a member of any political party, no affiliation to any group so have no desire to make things up but I personally despise elected people treating the public like fools. I believe people should have real facts and figures and transparency from those elected to serve them. You however, have admitted being a member of Labour and the Greens and obviously have motive and need to manipulate the public to support you in any way you can.
What people tdo with the facts that are given to them on here is up to them. All I care about is that the facts are correct. If it affects the way people vote then so be it. How they vote after the facts are given is not my business.
This party is particularly poor at public consultation and fact reporting and reporting performance which is a real shame as people voted them in as an alternative to the mainstream parties.
The Greens missed the opportunity to lead and bring the people with them and they are now paying the price. This isn't down to me or any of the posters on here, it's down to the Green party members. Don't get angry with me HJarrs look at the Greens. You were a Labour member once and now throw stones at them, maybe it's time you started digging into the detail of your latest choice of party to support.

Provide us with the FACTS backed up with FIGURES that you have presented - because, whilst I stand to be corrected, I don't remember seeing one?!

[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote:
All my facts are taken from third party audited resources to ensure accuracy. People can then access those sources themselves and trace the governance and audit trail to ensure accuracy. Your opinions don't have this evidence trail. People can check that as simply as posting on here. I have never been a member of any political party, no affiliation to any group so have no desire to make things up but I personally despise elected people treating the public like fools. I believe people should have real facts and figures and transparency from those elected to serve them. You however, have admitted being a member of Labour and the Greens and obviously have motive and need to manipulate the public to support you in any way you can.
What people tdo with the facts that are given to them on here is up to them. All I care about is that the facts are correct. If it affects the way people vote then so be it. How they vote after the facts are given is not my business.
This party is particularly poor at public consultation and fact reporting and reporting performance which is a real shame as people voted them in as an alternative to the mainstream parties.
The Greens missed the opportunity to lead and bring the people with them and they are now paying the price. This isn't down to me or any of the posters on here, it's down to the Green party members. Don't get angry with me HJarrs look at the Greens. You were a Labour member once and now throw stones at them, maybe it's time you started digging into the detail of your latest choice of party to support.[/p][/quote]Provide us with the FACTS backed up with FIGURES that you have presented - because, whilst I stand to be corrected, I don't remember seeing one?!brighton bluenose

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Considering the Greens took power in Brighton gaining a huge swing from the mainstream parties, one would have expected far more gains in Europe, but the actual trend in real terms was a significant drop in your support and you lost the Elm Grove bi election.
Never mind, data reporting and stats have never been one of the Green's strongest point not has the environment or recycling. No one is really sure what your achievements have been as they are never presented with third party independent audited facts and stats. They are usually opinions presented as fact, better known as lies or spin.

Sounds like you're back-pedalling there. Don't know what you mean by 'the actual trend in real terms was a significant drop' because in real terms if you look at voting numbers, their popularity has only dropped by 6% in the last 5 years. Another interesting thing to note from the recent Euro elections was that Greens actually won the most votes in Brighton Pavilion, just as they did in the general election. As I said before, come 2015 that should concern you more as a Green hater than it concerns me as a Green voter.

[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote:
Considering the Greens took power in Brighton gaining a huge swing from the mainstream parties, one would have expected far more gains in Europe, but the actual trend in real terms was a significant drop in your support and you lost the Elm Grove bi election.
Never mind, data reporting and stats have never been one of the Green's strongest point not has the environment or recycling. No one is really sure what your achievements have been as they are never presented with third party independent audited facts and stats. They are usually opinions presented as fact, better known as lies or spin.[/p][/quote]Sounds like you're back-pedalling there. Don't know what you mean by 'the actual trend in real terms was a significant drop' because in real terms if you look at voting numbers, their popularity has only dropped by 6% in the last 5 years. Another interesting thing to note from the recent Euro elections was that Greens actually won the most votes in Brighton Pavilion, just as they did in the general election. As I said before, come 2015 that should concern you more as a Green hater than it concerns me as a Green voter.Gribbet

@Gribbet, @brighton bluenose, @HJarrs - so it takes the 3 of you sad little supporters to keep carrying on spouting your pro-green drivel of how wonderful everything is since the green arrived and how everything that went wrong is someone else's fault.

It was wonderful to see the comment in the Brighton & Hove Independent where it said some unnamed in-duh-vidual thought Kitwat was inexperienced and naïve and its obviously from someone who actually admired what the greens have been trying to do. Even they must now realise that 'green' mean 'immature' and 'unripe' rather than 'environmentally aware'.

It was a shame that the green council thought they were in power to change the world but all we wanted them to do was empty the bins, cut the grass and sweep the streets, but they couldn't even manage that.

Seeing your comments over the past 3 days shows that you too are of the same school of idealistic, irresponsible, incompetence.

Sorry to spoil your aspirations but it is actually for the government to deal with all the issues that affect the country as a whole - not a group of left-wing activists sitting by the seaside.

Please keep up you posts that do nothing to improve the public perception of the green party and their supporters, but instead just reinforce the message that the sooner the green lunatics running the asylum go the better for everyone else.

Do you really think your inane comments will actually make anyone change their minds about you?

@Gribbet, @brighton bluenose, @HJarrs - so it takes the 3 of you sad little supporters to keep carrying on spouting your pro-green drivel of how wonderful everything is since the green arrived and how everything that went wrong is someone else's fault.
It was wonderful to see the comment in the Brighton & Hove Independent where it said some unnamed in-duh-vidual thought Kitwat was inexperienced and naïve and its obviously from someone who actually admired what the greens have been trying to do. Even they must now realise that 'green' mean 'immature' and 'unripe' rather than 'environmentally aware'.
It was a shame that the green council thought they were in power to change the world but all we wanted them to do was empty the bins, cut the grass and sweep the streets, but they couldn't even manage that.
Seeing your comments over the past 3 days shows that you too are of the same school of idealistic, irresponsible, incompetence.
Sorry to spoil your aspirations but it is actually for the government to deal with all the issues that affect the country as a whole - not a group of left-wing activists sitting by the seaside.
Please keep up you posts that do nothing to improve the public perception of the green party and their supporters, but instead just reinforce the message that the sooner the green lunatics running the asylum go the better for everyone else.
Do you really think your inane comments will actually make anyone change their minds about you?G Wiley

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Not as quickly as the Green vote is draining away. Now we just need the other Green members and voters to drain away back to London and their other home towns as they are draining the lifeblood from the city. Their plans to gentrify a working class town have backfired and they just didn't get the working people in this town.
When will our recycling service get back to the pre 2007 figures Warren? It's shameful that we have a Green council and recycling rates have dropped to such shamefully low figures. Too busy meddling in Middle East politics and armchair anarchy and attending PR photoshoots.
Or will we have to wait for Mary Mears to return to kick some ****.....or just actually deliver core services.

If you check the Green vote from this Euro election and compare it to the Green vote from the 2009 election, not much has really changed in terms of local support for the Greens.

Even with all the bad press in the Argus and Daily Mail over the last 5 years, the fact is that 94% of the people voting Green in 2009 are still voting Green in 2014.

That should worry you a lot more than it worries me.

Maybe, but they don't live in Brighton !

Really? So how do they vote in Brighton?

[quote][p][bold]gozogull[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote:
Not as quickly as the Green vote is draining away. Now we just need the other Green members and voters to drain away back to London and their other home towns as they are draining the lifeblood from the city. Their plans to gentrify a working class town have backfired and they just didn't get the working people in this town.
When will our recycling service get back to the pre 2007 figures Warren? It's shameful that we have a Green council and recycling rates have dropped to such shamefully low figures. Too busy meddling in Middle East politics and armchair anarchy and attending PR photoshoots.
Or will we have to wait for Mary Mears to return to kick some ****.....or just actually deliver core services.[/p][/quote]If you check the Green vote from this Euro election and compare it to the Green vote from the 2009 election, not much has really changed in terms of local support for the Greens.
Even with all the bad press in the Argus and Daily Mail over the last 5 years, the fact is that 94% of the people voting Green in 2009 are still voting Green in 2014.
That should worry you a lot more than it worries me.[/p][/quote]Maybe, but they don't live in Brighton ![/p][/quote]Really? So how do they vote in Brighton?Gribbet

G Wiley wrote:
@Gribbet, @brighton bluenose, @HJarrs - so it takes the 3 of you sad little supporters to keep carrying on spouting your pro-green drivel of how wonderful everything is since the green arrived and how everything that went wrong is someone else's fault.

It was wonderful to see the comment in the Brighton &amp; Hove Independent where it said some unnamed in-duh-vidual thought Kitwat was inexperienced and naïve and its obviously from someone who actually admired what the greens have been trying to do. Even they must now realise that 'green' mean 'immature' and 'unripe' rather than 'environmentally aware'.

It was a shame that the green council thought they were in power to change the world but all we wanted them to do was empty the bins, cut the grass and sweep the streets, but they couldn't even manage that.

Seeing your comments over the past 3 days shows that you too are of the same school of idealistic, irresponsible, incompetence.

Sorry to spoil your aspirations but it is actually for the government to deal with all the issues that affect the country as a whole - not a group of left-wing activists sitting by the seaside.

Please keep up you posts that do nothing to improve the public perception of the green party and their supporters, but instead just reinforce the message that the sooner the green lunatics running the asylum go the better for everyone else.

Do you really think your inane comments will actually make anyone change their minds about you?

I'm sorry you find it so upsetting when people with different beliefs air their views and add another side to a debate. Instead of writing your usual cut-and-paste rant that you write every single time (this is how I can so easily spot whenever you change your screen name), how about directly debunking the claims I make with real info rather than just hot air? The local green voters seem to be people that know how to think for themselves, so I'm really not that concerned about whether I can change your mind or not.

[quote][p][bold]G Wiley[/bold] wrote:
@Gribbet, @brighton bluenose, @HJarrs - so it takes the 3 of you sad little supporters to keep carrying on spouting your pro-green drivel of how wonderful everything is since the green arrived and how everything that went wrong is someone else's fault.
It was wonderful to see the comment in the Brighton & Hove Independent where it said some unnamed in-duh-vidual thought Kitwat was inexperienced and naïve and its obviously from someone who actually admired what the greens have been trying to do. Even they must now realise that 'green' mean 'immature' and 'unripe' rather than 'environmentally aware'.
It was a shame that the green council thought they were in power to change the world but all we wanted them to do was empty the bins, cut the grass and sweep the streets, but they couldn't even manage that.
Seeing your comments over the past 3 days shows that you too are of the same school of idealistic, irresponsible, incompetence.
Sorry to spoil your aspirations but it is actually for the government to deal with all the issues that affect the country as a whole - not a group of left-wing activists sitting by the seaside.
Please keep up you posts that do nothing to improve the public perception of the green party and their supporters, but instead just reinforce the message that the sooner the green lunatics running the asylum go the better for everyone else.
Do you really think your inane comments will actually make anyone change their minds about you?[/p][/quote]I'm sorry you find it so upsetting when people with different beliefs air their views and add another side to a debate. Instead of writing your usual cut-and-paste rant that you write every single time (this is how I can so easily spot whenever you change your screen name), how about directly debunking the claims I make with real info rather than just hot air? The local green voters seem to be people that know how to think for themselves, so I'm really not that concerned about whether I can change your mind or not.Gribbet

@Gribbet - of course you and the rest of the green supporters are allowed to have you own beliefs and to comment here.

Likewise those of us who don't feel the greens are doing a good job are similarly allowed to express out own views.

What you need to work out is why you are posting here and what benefit you expect to get? IMHO the ravings of the holy trinity of green party supporters only results in more polarization of feelings against the greens rather than any improving support for them - in other words I think what you are trying to do is failing badly and making the situation worse.

I honestly think you would serve the green party better by just ignoring the 'moanerati' and focusing on building support through your own twitter groups and Facebook pages. But of course, it is totally up to you.

Sycophantic support by the three of you - especially HJarrs - IMHO just generates negativity.

BTW - I am perfectly within my rights to change my 'handle' as often as I like and do not have to get approval from anyone else. Perhaps you should consider doing this also?

I have tried to discuss points and raise questions with green supporters but they never seem to be able to answer points directly; tend to point you at large online reports that end up not supporting the green viewpoint; or end up suffering childish insults, so why should I waste my time?

As I've posted before, my main objective as a non-politically aligned resident is to highlight factual errors and what I consider to be major policy failings in what the greens are stating and doing anything I can to get this immature group of activists removed from power and get it replaced with any party that considers residents, businesses and visitors more than focussing in left-wing ideologies and supporting minorities.

You will of course carry on spinning yarns about how good the greens have been to the city - unfortunately your tales are getting harder and harder to accept as anything other than highly creative fabrications.

@Gribbet - of course you and the rest of the green supporters are allowed to have you own beliefs and to comment here.
Likewise those of us who don't feel the greens are doing a good job are similarly allowed to express out own views.
What you need to work out is why you are posting here and what benefit you expect to get? IMHO the ravings of the holy trinity of green party supporters only results in more polarization of feelings against the greens rather than any improving support for them - in other words I think what you are trying to do is failing badly and making the situation worse.
I honestly think you would serve the green party better by just ignoring the 'moanerati' and focusing on building support through your own twitter groups and Facebook pages. But of course, it is totally up to you.
Sycophantic support by the three of you - especially HJarrs - IMHO just generates negativity.
BTW - I am perfectly within my rights to change my 'handle' as often as I like and do not have to get approval from anyone else. Perhaps you should consider doing this also?
I have tried to discuss points and raise questions with green supporters but they never seem to be able to answer points directly; tend to point you at large online reports that end up not supporting the green viewpoint; or end up suffering childish insults, so why should I waste my time?
As I've posted before, my main objective as a non-politically aligned resident is to highlight factual errors and what I consider to be major policy failings in what the greens are stating and doing anything I can to get this immature group of activists removed from power and get it replaced with any party that considers residents, businesses and visitors more than focussing in left-wing ideologies and supporting minorities.
You will of course carry on spinning yarns about how good the greens have been to the city - unfortunately your tales are getting harder and harder to accept as anything other than highly creative fabrications.G Wiley

G Wiley wrote:
@Gribbet - of course you and the rest of the green supporters are allowed to have you own beliefs and to comment here.

Likewise those of us who don't feel the greens are doing a good job are similarly allowed to express out own views.

What you need to work out is why you are posting here and what benefit you expect to get? IMHO the ravings of the holy trinity of green party supporters only results in more polarization of feelings against the greens rather than any improving support for them - in other words I think what you are trying to do is failing badly and making the situation worse.

I honestly think you would serve the green party better by just ignoring the 'moanerati' and focusing on building support through your own twitter groups and Facebook pages. But of course, it is totally up to you.

Sycophantic support by the three of you - especially HJarrs - IMHO just generates negativity.

BTW - I am perfectly within my rights to change my 'handle' as often as I like and do not have to get approval from anyone else. Perhaps you should consider doing this also?

I have tried to discuss points and raise questions with green supporters but they never seem to be able to answer points directly; tend to point you at large online reports that end up not supporting the green viewpoint; or end up suffering childish insults, so why should I waste my time?

As I've posted before, my main objective as a non-politically aligned resident is to highlight factual errors and what I consider to be major policy failings in what the greens are stating and doing anything I can to get this immature group of activists removed from power and get it replaced with any party that considers residents, businesses and visitors more than focussing in left-wing ideologies and supporting minorities.

You will of course carry on spinning yarns about how good the greens have been to the city - unfortunately your tales are getting harder and harder to accept as anything other than highly creative fabrications.

Careful Gribbet, my "non political aligned", free market friend Patchy will be asking for your name, time you leave home to go to work, your inside leg measurement.

And when you provide evidence of your point of view Patchy will tell you they can't be bothered to read it despite seemingly having little better to do than fritter away their retirement posting bile on the Argus website.

When I look at all those terrible developments and dreadful road layouts from the 70s to 90s, it is the likes of Patchy and moanerati pals that voted for, and accepted such dreadful mediocrity that still scar our fantastic city.

[quote][p][bold]G Wiley[/bold] wrote:
@Gribbet - of course you and the rest of the green supporters are allowed to have you own beliefs and to comment here.
Likewise those of us who don't feel the greens are doing a good job are similarly allowed to express out own views.
What you need to work out is why you are posting here and what benefit you expect to get? IMHO the ravings of the holy trinity of green party supporters only results in more polarization of feelings against the greens rather than any improving support for them - in other words I think what you are trying to do is failing badly and making the situation worse.
I honestly think you would serve the green party better by just ignoring the 'moanerati' and focusing on building support through your own twitter groups and Facebook pages. But of course, it is totally up to you.
Sycophantic support by the three of you - especially HJarrs - IMHO just generates negativity.
BTW - I am perfectly within my rights to change my 'handle' as often as I like and do not have to get approval from anyone else. Perhaps you should consider doing this also?
I have tried to discuss points and raise questions with green supporters but they never seem to be able to answer points directly; tend to point you at large online reports that end up not supporting the green viewpoint; or end up suffering childish insults, so why should I waste my time?
As I've posted before, my main objective as a non-politically aligned resident is to highlight factual errors and what I consider to be major policy failings in what the greens are stating and doing anything I can to get this immature group of activists removed from power and get it replaced with any party that considers residents, businesses and visitors more than focussing in left-wing ideologies and supporting minorities.
You will of course carry on spinning yarns about how good the greens have been to the city - unfortunately your tales are getting harder and harder to accept as anything other than highly creative fabrications.[/p][/quote]Careful Gribbet, my "non political aligned", free market friend Patchy will be asking for your name, time you leave home to go to work, your inside leg measurement.
And when you provide evidence of your point of view Patchy will tell you they can't be bothered to read it despite seemingly having little better to do than fritter away their retirement posting bile on the Argus website.
When I look at all those terrible developments and dreadful road layouts from the 70s to 90s, it is the likes of Patchy and moanerati pals that voted for, and accepted such dreadful mediocrity that still scar our fantastic city.HJarrs

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
All my facts are taken from third party audited resources to ensure accuracy. People can then access those sources themselves and trace the governance and audit trail to ensure accuracy. Your opinions don't have this evidence trail. People can check that as simply as posting on here. I have never been a member of any political party, no affiliation to any group so have no desire to make things up but I personally despise elected people treating the public like fools. I believe people should have real facts and figures and transparency from those elected to serve them. You however, have admitted being a member of Labour and the Greens and obviously have motive and need to manipulate the public to support you in any way you can.
What people tdo with the facts that are given to them on here is up to them. All I care about is that the facts are correct. If it affects the way people vote then so be it. How they vote after the facts are given is not my business.
This party is particularly poor at public consultation and fact reporting and reporting performance which is a real shame as people voted them in as an alternative to the mainstream parties.
The Greens missed the opportunity to lead and bring the people with them and they are now paying the price. This isn't down to me or any of the posters on here, it's down to the Green party members. Don't get angry with me HJarrs look at the Greens. You were a Labour member once and now throw stones at them, maybe it's time you started digging into the detail of your latest choice of party to support.

We are still waiting for the facts backed up with independently audited figures that you tell us you have presented - so I ask again, please provide these?!
Especially as you have constantly, and rather tediously, kept demanding such audited statistics from others!

[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote:
All my facts are taken from third party audited resources to ensure accuracy. People can then access those sources themselves and trace the governance and audit trail to ensure accuracy. Your opinions don't have this evidence trail. People can check that as simply as posting on here. I have never been a member of any political party, no affiliation to any group so have no desire to make things up but I personally despise elected people treating the public like fools. I believe people should have real facts and figures and transparency from those elected to serve them. You however, have admitted being a member of Labour and the Greens and obviously have motive and need to manipulate the public to support you in any way you can.
What people tdo with the facts that are given to them on here is up to them. All I care about is that the facts are correct. If it affects the way people vote then so be it. How they vote after the facts are given is not my business.
This party is particularly poor at public consultation and fact reporting and reporting performance which is a real shame as people voted them in as an alternative to the mainstream parties.
The Greens missed the opportunity to lead and bring the people with them and they are now paying the price. This isn't down to me or any of the posters on here, it's down to the Green party members. Don't get angry with me HJarrs look at the Greens. You were a Labour member once and now throw stones at them, maybe it's time you started digging into the detail of your latest choice of party to support.[/p][/quote]We are still waiting for the facts backed up with independently audited figures that you tell us you have presented - so I ask again, please provide these?!
Especially as you have constantly, and rather tediously, kept demanding such audited statistics from others!brighton bluenose

claymore13 wrote:
Finally you realise your about as much use to politics and running councils as a chocolate tea pot. A bit late now all the damage you have done to the city. Still enjoy sitting in the traffic jams and chaos your transport policies have created and smile knowing the amount of tax payer’s money you have thrown down the drain you complete tool !

Another d***head who seems to forget that it was Tories and Labour who brought in bus lanes, zoned residents permit parking and parking charges generally - and doesn't realise that those parties wont change anything the Greens have done because THEY AGREE WITH THEM you empty!!

They should eventually realise

@Gribbet and @brighton bluenose - the other parties may have introduced bus lanes, residents parking and parking charges, but it has taken the irresponsible idealist greens, under direction from a pro-cycling bigot to really screw everything up and add in unused cycle lanes and unenforceable 20mph zones resulting in worse congestion and higher pollution levels.

Yes the greens - a party of real geniuses!

Please keep up the t*rd polishing - hopefully you and your loathsome party are now in terminal decline and will do the honourable thing and call a full council election and let another party who considers residents, businesses and visitors take charge.

I have seen a lot of positive comments about Jason - unfortunately he chose to align himself to the greens rather than a responsible party and he wanted to become leader of this disparate group of reprobate green councillors - the role wasn't, AFAIK, forced upon him.

I guess he can go back to his IT work with the Open Rights groups who probably know little, nor care, about his green party failings.

Unused cycle lanes?! How about the one in The Drive - now
that wasn't installed by 'idealist Greens' was it?!!
And you, of course, fail to discuss the fact that the other parties won't rescind a single measure the Greens have introduced!!

Unused cycle lanes - yes - the Old Shoreham Road ones used by about 20 bikes a day. Just because the Drive one was introduced by a previous council doesn't make the Old Shoreham Road one right.

How does a green party spokesman, such as yourself, know that the new council (you know you are in terminal decline now!) won't rescind any of the measures? Perhaps they might get the real traffic experts in to review the abomination of cut-price amateurish traffic projects and come up with realistic pragmatic ways of dealing with traffic issues in the city.

You must be getting really desperate if that is all you can come up with to support the wretched green councillors...just keep up the polishing...

Only someone without any answers would suggest that the present administration hasn't consulted 'real traffic experts' and if the other parties are so against the measures introduced by the Greens then why have we heard hardly a pip out of them?! Don't hide, answer a real question - where were the objections from the Tory/ Labour/ Lib-Dems to 20mph, Seven Dials, Brighton Station and Lewes Road schemes? I look forward to your response!!

[quote][p][bold]G Wiley[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]G Wiley[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]claymore13[/bold] wrote:
Finally you realise your about as much use to politics and running councils as a chocolate tea pot. A bit late now all the damage you have done to the city. Still enjoy sitting in the traffic jams and chaos your transport policies have created and smile knowing the amount of tax payer’s money you have thrown down the drain you complete tool ![/p][/quote]Another d***head who seems to forget that it was Tories and Labour who brought in bus lanes, zoned residents permit parking and parking charges generally - and doesn't realise that those parties wont change anything the Greens have done because THEY AGREE WITH THEM you empty!![/p][/quote]They should eventually realise[/p][/quote]@Gribbet and @brighton bluenose - the other parties may have introduced bus lanes, residents parking and parking charges, but it has taken the irresponsible idealist greens, under direction from a pro-cycling bigot to really screw everything up and add in unused cycle lanes and unenforceable 20mph zones resulting in worse congestion and higher pollution levels.
Yes the greens - a party of real geniuses!
Please keep up the t*rd polishing - hopefully you and your loathsome party are now in terminal decline and will do the honourable thing and call a full council election and let another party who considers residents, businesses and visitors take charge.
I have seen a lot of positive comments about Jason - unfortunately he chose to align himself to the greens rather than a responsible party and he wanted to become leader of this disparate group of reprobate green councillors - the role wasn't, AFAIK, forced upon him.
I guess he can go back to his IT work with the Open Rights groups who probably know little, nor care, about his green party failings.[/p][/quote]Unused cycle lanes?! How about the one in The Drive - now
that wasn't installed by 'idealist Greens' was it?!!
And you, of course, fail to discuss the fact that the other parties won't rescind a single measure the Greens have introduced!![/p][/quote]Unused cycle lanes - yes - the Old Shoreham Road ones used by about 20 bikes a day. Just because the Drive one was introduced by a previous council doesn't make the Old Shoreham Road one right.
How does a green party spokesman, such as yourself, know that the new council (you know you are in terminal decline now!) won't rescind any of the measures? Perhaps they might get the real traffic experts in to review the abomination of cut-price amateurish traffic projects and come up with realistic pragmatic ways of dealing with traffic issues in the city.
You must be getting really desperate if that is all you can come up with to support the wretched green councillors...just keep up the polishing...[/p][/quote]Only someone without any answers would suggest that the present administration hasn't consulted 'real traffic experts' and if the other parties are so against the measures introduced by the Greens then why have we heard hardly a pip out of them?! Don't hide, answer a real question - where were the objections from the Tory/ Labour/ Lib-Dems to 20mph, Seven Dials, Brighton Station and Lewes Road schemes? I look forward to your response!!brighton bluenose

G Wiley wrote:
@Gribbet - of course you and the rest of the green supporters are allowed to have you own beliefs and to comment here.

Likewise those of us who don't feel the greens are doing a good job are similarly allowed to express out own views.

What you need to work out is why you are posting here and what benefit you expect to get? IMHO the ravings of the holy trinity of green party supporters only results in more polarization of feelings against the greens rather than any improving support for them - in other words I think what you are trying to do is failing badly and making the situation worse.

I honestly think you would serve the green party better by just ignoring the 'moanerati' and focusing on building support through your own twitter groups and Facebook pages. But of course, it is totally up to you.

Sycophantic support by the three of you - especially HJarrs - IMHO just generates negativity.

BTW - I am perfectly within my rights to change my 'handle' as often as I like and do not have to get approval from anyone else. Perhaps you should consider doing this also?

I have tried to discuss points and raise questions with green supporters but they never seem to be able to answer points directly; tend to point you at large online reports that end up not supporting the green viewpoint; or end up suffering childish insults, so why should I waste my time?

As I've posted before, my main objective as a non-politically aligned resident is to highlight factual errors and what I consider to be major policy failings in what the greens are stating and doing anything I can to get this immature group of activists removed from power and get it replaced with any party that considers residents, businesses and visitors more than focussing in left-wing ideologies and supporting minorities.

You will of course carry on spinning yarns about how good the greens have been to the city - unfortunately your tales are getting harder and harder to accept as anything other than highly creative fabrications.

I'm not on twitter, but I like the debate on here and proving you and your crazy mates wrong.

[quote][p][bold]G Wiley[/bold] wrote:
@Gribbet - of course you and the rest of the green supporters are allowed to have you own beliefs and to comment here.
Likewise those of us who don't feel the greens are doing a good job are similarly allowed to express out own views.
What you need to work out is why you are posting here and what benefit you expect to get? IMHO the ravings of the holy trinity of green party supporters only results in more polarization of feelings against the greens rather than any improving support for them - in other words I think what you are trying to do is failing badly and making the situation worse.
I honestly think you would serve the green party better by just ignoring the 'moanerati' and focusing on building support through your own twitter groups and Facebook pages. But of course, it is totally up to you.
Sycophantic support by the three of you - especially HJarrs - IMHO just generates negativity.
BTW - I am perfectly within my rights to change my 'handle' as often as I like and do not have to get approval from anyone else. Perhaps you should consider doing this also?
I have tried to discuss points and raise questions with green supporters but they never seem to be able to answer points directly; tend to point you at large online reports that end up not supporting the green viewpoint; or end up suffering childish insults, so why should I waste my time?
As I've posted before, my main objective as a non-politically aligned resident is to highlight factual errors and what I consider to be major policy failings in what the greens are stating and doing anything I can to get this immature group of activists removed from power and get it replaced with any party that considers residents, businesses and visitors more than focussing in left-wing ideologies and supporting minorities.
You will of course carry on spinning yarns about how good the greens have been to the city - unfortunately your tales are getting harder and harder to accept as anything other than highly creative fabrications.[/p][/quote]I'm not on twitter, but I like the debate on here and proving you and your crazy mates wrong.Gribbet

claymore13 wrote:
Finally you realise your about as much use to politics and running councils as a chocolate tea pot. A bit late now all the damage you have done to the city. Still enjoy sitting in the traffic jams and chaos your transport policies have created and smile knowing the amount of tax payer’s money you have thrown down the drain you complete tool !

Another d***head who seems to forget that it was Tories and Labour who brought in bus lanes, zoned residents permit parking and parking charges generally - and doesn't realise that those parties wont change anything the Greens have done because THEY AGREE WITH THEM you empty!!

They should eventually realise

@Gribbet and @brighton bluenose - the other parties may have introduced bus lanes, residents parking and parking charges, but it has taken the irresponsible idealist greens, under direction from a pro-cycling bigot to really screw everything up and add in unused cycle lanes and unenforceable 20mph zones resulting in worse congestion and higher pollution levels.

Yes the greens - a party of real geniuses!

Please keep up the t*rd polishing - hopefully you and your loathsome party are now in terminal decline and will do the honourable thing and call a full council election and let another party who considers residents, businesses and visitors take charge.

I have seen a lot of positive comments about Jason - unfortunately he chose to align himself to the greens rather than a responsible party and he wanted to become leader of this disparate group of reprobate green councillors - the role wasn't, AFAIK, forced upon him.

I guess he can go back to his IT work with the Open Rights groups who probably know little, nor care, about his green party failings.

Unused cycle lanes?! How about the one in The Drive - now
that wasn't installed by 'idealist Greens' was it?!!
And you, of course, fail to discuss the fact that the other parties won't rescind a single measure the Greens have introduced!!

Unused cycle lanes - yes - the Old Shoreham Road ones used by about 20 bikes a day. Just because the Drive one was introduced by a previous council doesn't make the Old Shoreham Road one right.

How does a green party spokesman, such as yourself, know that the new council (you know you are in terminal decline now!) won't rescind any of the measures? Perhaps they might get the real traffic experts in to review the abomination of cut-price amateurish traffic projects and come up with realistic pragmatic ways of dealing with traffic issues in the city.

You must be getting really desperate if that is all you can come up with to support the wretched green councillors...just keep up the polishing...

Only someone without any answers would suggest that the present administration hasn't consulted 'real traffic experts' and if the other parties are so against the measures introduced by the Greens then why have we heard hardly a pip out of them?! Don't hide, answer a real question - where were the objections from the Tory/ Labour/ Lib-Dems to 20mph, Seven Dials, Brighton Station and Lewes Road schemes? I look forward to your response!!

I'm still waiting for an answer to this??!!

[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]G Wiley[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]G Wiley[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]claymore13[/bold] wrote:
Finally you realise your about as much use to politics and running councils as a chocolate tea pot. A bit late now all the damage you have done to the city. Still enjoy sitting in the traffic jams and chaos your transport policies have created and smile knowing the amount of tax payer’s money you have thrown down the drain you complete tool ![/p][/quote]Another d***head who seems to forget that it was Tories and Labour who brought in bus lanes, zoned residents permit parking and parking charges generally - and doesn't realise that those parties wont change anything the Greens have done because THEY AGREE WITH THEM you empty!![/p][/quote]They should eventually realise[/p][/quote]@Gribbet and @brighton bluenose - the other parties may have introduced bus lanes, residents parking and parking charges, but it has taken the irresponsible idealist greens, under direction from a pro-cycling bigot to really screw everything up and add in unused cycle lanes and unenforceable 20mph zones resulting in worse congestion and higher pollution levels.
Yes the greens - a party of real geniuses!
Please keep up the t*rd polishing - hopefully you and your loathsome party are now in terminal decline and will do the honourable thing and call a full council election and let another party who considers residents, businesses and visitors take charge.
I have seen a lot of positive comments about Jason - unfortunately he chose to align himself to the greens rather than a responsible party and he wanted to become leader of this disparate group of reprobate green councillors - the role wasn't, AFAIK, forced upon him.
I guess he can go back to his IT work with the Open Rights groups who probably know little, nor care, about his green party failings.[/p][/quote]Unused cycle lanes?! How about the one in The Drive - now
that wasn't installed by 'idealist Greens' was it?!!
And you, of course, fail to discuss the fact that the other parties won't rescind a single measure the Greens have introduced!![/p][/quote]Unused cycle lanes - yes - the Old Shoreham Road ones used by about 20 bikes a day. Just because the Drive one was introduced by a previous council doesn't make the Old Shoreham Road one right.
How does a green party spokesman, such as yourself, know that the new council (you know you are in terminal decline now!) won't rescind any of the measures? Perhaps they might get the real traffic experts in to review the abomination of cut-price amateurish traffic projects and come up with realistic pragmatic ways of dealing with traffic issues in the city.
You must be getting really desperate if that is all you can come up with to support the wretched green councillors...just keep up the polishing...[/p][/quote]Only someone without any answers would suggest that the present administration hasn't consulted 'real traffic experts' and if the other parties are so against the measures introduced by the Greens then why have we heard hardly a pip out of them?! Don't hide, answer a real question - where were the objections from the Tory/ Labour/ Lib-Dems to 20mph, Seven Dials, Brighton Station and Lewes Road schemes? I look forward to your response!![/p][/quote]I'm still waiting for an answer to this??!!brighton bluenose

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
All my facts are taken from third party audited resources to ensure accuracy. People can then access those sources themselves and trace the governance and audit trail to ensure accuracy. Your opinions don't have this evidence trail. People can check that as simply as posting on here. I have never been a member of any political party, no affiliation to any group so have no desire to make things up but I personally despise elected people treating the public like fools. I believe people should have real facts and figures and transparency from those elected to serve them. You however, have admitted being a member of Labour and the Greens and obviously have motive and need to manipulate the public to support you in any way you can.
What people tdo with the facts that are given to them on here is up to them. All I care about is that the facts are correct. If it affects the way people vote then so be it. How they vote after the facts are given is not my business.
This party is particularly poor at public consultation and fact reporting and reporting performance which is a real shame as people voted them in as an alternative to the mainstream parties.
The Greens missed the opportunity to lead and bring the people with them and they are now paying the price. This isn't down to me or any of the posters on here, it's down to the Green party members. Don't get angry with me HJarrs look at the Greens. You were a Labour member once and now throw stones at them, maybe it's time you started digging into the detail of your latest choice of party to support.

We are still waiting for the facts backed up with independently audited figures that you tell us you have presented - so I ask again, please provide these?!
Especially as you have constantly, and rather tediously, kept demanding such audited statistics from others!

......and to this one too??!!

[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote:
All my facts are taken from third party audited resources to ensure accuracy. People can then access those sources themselves and trace the governance and audit trail to ensure accuracy. Your opinions don't have this evidence trail. People can check that as simply as posting on here. I have never been a member of any political party, no affiliation to any group so have no desire to make things up but I personally despise elected people treating the public like fools. I believe people should have real facts and figures and transparency from those elected to serve them. You however, have admitted being a member of Labour and the Greens and obviously have motive and need to manipulate the public to support you in any way you can.
What people tdo with the facts that are given to them on here is up to them. All I care about is that the facts are correct. If it affects the way people vote then so be it. How they vote after the facts are given is not my business.
This party is particularly poor at public consultation and fact reporting and reporting performance which is a real shame as people voted them in as an alternative to the mainstream parties.
The Greens missed the opportunity to lead and bring the people with them and they are now paying the price. This isn't down to me or any of the posters on here, it's down to the Green party members. Don't get angry with me HJarrs look at the Greens. You were a Labour member once and now throw stones at them, maybe it's time you started digging into the detail of your latest choice of party to support.[/p][/quote]We are still waiting for the facts backed up with independently audited figures that you tell us you have presented - so I ask again, please provide these?!
Especially as you have constantly, and rather tediously, kept demanding such audited statistics from others![/p][/quote]......and to this one too??!!brighton bluenose

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
All my facts are taken from third party audited resources to ensure accuracy. People can then access those sources themselves and trace the governance and audit trail to ensure accuracy. Your opinions don't have this evidence trail. People can check that as simply as posting on here. I have never been a member of any political party, no affiliation to any group so have no desire to make things up but I personally despise elected people treating the public like fools. I believe people should have real facts and figures and transparency from those elected to serve them. You however, have admitted being a member of Labour and the Greens and obviously have motive and need to manipulate the public to support you in any way you can.
What people tdo with the facts that are given to them on here is up to them. All I care about is that the facts are correct. If it affects the way people vote then so be it. How they vote after the facts are given is not my business.
This party is particularly poor at public consultation and fact reporting and reporting performance which is a real shame as people voted them in as an alternative to the mainstream parties.
The Greens missed the opportunity to lead and bring the people with them and they are now paying the price. This isn't down to me or any of the posters on here, it's down to the Green party members. Don't get angry with me HJarrs look at the Greens. You were a Labour member once and now throw stones at them, maybe it's time you started digging into the detail of your latest choice of party to support.

We are still waiting for the facts backed up with independently audited figures that you tell us you have presented - so I ask again, please provide these?!
Especially as you have constantly, and rather tediously, kept demanding such audited statistics from others!

......and to this one too??!!

[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote:
All my facts are taken from third party audited resources to ensure accuracy. People can then access those sources themselves and trace the governance and audit trail to ensure accuracy. Your opinions don't have this evidence trail. People can check that as simply as posting on here. I have never been a member of any political party, no affiliation to any group so have no desire to make things up but I personally despise elected people treating the public like fools. I believe people should have real facts and figures and transparency from those elected to serve them. You however, have admitted being a member of Labour and the Greens and obviously have motive and need to manipulate the public to support you in any way you can.
What people tdo with the facts that are given to them on here is up to them. All I care about is that the facts are correct. If it affects the way people vote then so be it. How they vote after the facts are given is not my business.
This party is particularly poor at public consultation and fact reporting and reporting performance which is a real shame as people voted them in as an alternative to the mainstream parties.
The Greens missed the opportunity to lead and bring the people with them and they are now paying the price. This isn't down to me or any of the posters on here, it's down to the Green party members. Don't get angry with me HJarrs look at the Greens. You were a Labour member once and now throw stones at them, maybe it's time you started digging into the detail of your latest choice of party to support.[/p][/quote]We are still waiting for the facts backed up with independently audited figures that you tell us you have presented - so I ask again, please provide these?!
Especially as you have constantly, and rather tediously, kept demanding such audited statistics from others![/p][/quote]......and to this one too??!!brighton bluenose

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
All my facts are taken from third party audited resources to ensure accuracy. People can then access those sources themselves and trace the governance and audit trail to ensure accuracy. Your opinions don't have this evidence trail. People can check that as simply as posting on here. I have never been a member of any political party, no affiliation to any group so have no desire to make things up but I personally despise elected people treating the public like fools. I believe people should have real facts and figures and transparency from those elected to serve them. You however, have admitted being a member of Labour and the Greens and obviously have motive and need to manipulate the public to support you in any way you can.
What people tdo with the facts that are given to them on here is up to them. All I care about is that the facts are correct. If it affects the way people vote then so be it. How they vote after the facts are given is not my business.
This party is particularly poor at public consultation and fact reporting and reporting performance which is a real shame as people voted them in as an alternative to the mainstream parties.
The Greens missed the opportunity to lead and bring the people with them and they are now paying the price. This isn't down to me or any of the posters on here, it's down to the Green party members. Don't get angry with me HJarrs look at the Greens. You were a Labour member once and now throw stones at them, maybe it's time you started digging into the detail of your latest choice of party to support.

We are still waiting for the facts backed up with independently audited figures that you tell us you have presented - so I ask again, please provide these?!
Especially as you have constantly, and rather tediously, kept demanding such audited statistics from others!

......and to this one too??!!

Dry up brown nose, will you, !!!

[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote:
All my facts are taken from third party audited resources to ensure accuracy. People can then access those sources themselves and trace the governance and audit trail to ensure accuracy. Your opinions don't have this evidence trail. People can check that as simply as posting on here. I have never been a member of any political party, no affiliation to any group so have no desire to make things up but I personally despise elected people treating the public like fools. I believe people should have real facts and figures and transparency from those elected to serve them. You however, have admitted being a member of Labour and the Greens and obviously have motive and need to manipulate the public to support you in any way you can.
What people tdo with the facts that are given to them on here is up to them. All I care about is that the facts are correct. If it affects the way people vote then so be it. How they vote after the facts are given is not my business.
This party is particularly poor at public consultation and fact reporting and reporting performance which is a real shame as people voted them in as an alternative to the mainstream parties.
The Greens missed the opportunity to lead and bring the people with them and they are now paying the price. This isn't down to me or any of the posters on here, it's down to the Green party members. Don't get angry with me HJarrs look at the Greens. You were a Labour member once and now throw stones at them, maybe it's time you started digging into the detail of your latest choice of party to support.[/p][/quote]We are still waiting for the facts backed up with independently audited figures that you tell us you have presented - so I ask again, please provide these?!
Especially as you have constantly, and rather tediously, kept demanding such audited statistics from others![/p][/quote]......and to this one too??!![/p][/quote]Dry up brown nose, will you, !!!ARMANA

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
All my facts are taken from third party audited resources to ensure accuracy. People can then access those sources themselves and trace the governance and audit trail to ensure accuracy. Your opinions don't have this evidence trail. People can check that as simply as posting on here. I have never been a member of any political party, no affiliation to any group so have no desire to make things up but I personally despise elected people treating the public like fools. I believe people should have real facts and figures and transparency from those elected to serve them. You however, have admitted being a member of Labour and the Greens and obviously have motive and need to manipulate the public to support you in any way you can.
What people tdo with the facts that are given to them on here is up to them. All I care about is that the facts are correct. If it affects the way people vote then so be it. How they vote after the facts are given is not my business.
This party is particularly poor at public consultation and fact reporting and reporting performance which is a real shame as people voted them in as an alternative to the mainstream parties.
The Greens missed the opportunity to lead and bring the people with them and they are now paying the price. This isn't down to me or any of the posters on here, it's down to the Green party members. Don't get angry with me HJarrs look at the Greens. You were a Labour member once and now throw stones at them, maybe it's time you started digging into the detail of your latest choice of party to support.

We are still waiting for the facts backed up with independently audited figures that you tell us you have presented - so I ask again, please provide these?!
Especially as you have constantly, and rather tediously, kept demanding such audited statistics from others!

......and to this one too??!!

God almighty. Are all Greens this pompous and self important?

[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote:
All my facts are taken from third party audited resources to ensure accuracy. People can then access those sources themselves and trace the governance and audit trail to ensure accuracy. Your opinions don't have this evidence trail. People can check that as simply as posting on here. I have never been a member of any political party, no affiliation to any group so have no desire to make things up but I personally despise elected people treating the public like fools. I believe people should have real facts and figures and transparency from those elected to serve them. You however, have admitted being a member of Labour and the Greens and obviously have motive and need to manipulate the public to support you in any way you can.
What people tdo with the facts that are given to them on here is up to them. All I care about is that the facts are correct. If it affects the way people vote then so be it. How they vote after the facts are given is not my business.
This party is particularly poor at public consultation and fact reporting and reporting performance which is a real shame as people voted them in as an alternative to the mainstream parties.
The Greens missed the opportunity to lead and bring the people with them and they are now paying the price. This isn't down to me or any of the posters on here, it's down to the Green party members. Don't get angry with me HJarrs look at the Greens. You were a Labour member once and now throw stones at them, maybe it's time you started digging into the detail of your latest choice of party to support.[/p][/quote]We are still waiting for the facts backed up with independently audited figures that you tell us you have presented - so I ask again, please provide these?!
Especially as you have constantly, and rather tediously, kept demanding such audited statistics from others![/p][/quote]......and to this one too??!![/p][/quote]God almighty. Are all Greens this pompous and self important?Number Six

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
All my facts are taken from third party audited resources to ensure accuracy. People can then access those sources themselves and trace the governance and audit trail to ensure accuracy. Your opinions don't have this evidence trail. People can check that as simply as posting on here. I have never been a member of any political party, no affiliation to any group so have no desire to make things up but I personally despise elected people treating the public like fools. I believe people should have real facts and figures and transparency from those elected to serve them. You however, have admitted being a member of Labour and the Greens and obviously have motive and need to manipulate the public to support you in any way you can.
What people tdo with the facts that are given to them on here is up to them. All I care about is that the facts are correct. If it affects the way people vote then so be it. How they vote after the facts are given is not my business.
This party is particularly poor at public consultation and fact reporting and reporting performance which is a real shame as people voted them in as an alternative to the mainstream parties.
The Greens missed the opportunity to lead and bring the people with them and they are now paying the price. This isn't down to me or any of the posters on here, it's down to the Green party members. Don't get angry with me HJarrs look at the Greens. You were a Labour member once and now throw stones at them, maybe it's time you started digging into the detail of your latest choice of party to support.

Why are we STILL waiting for these 'facts and figures'?! The longer you fail to provide these one can only hazard a guess that you are telling complete lies!!

[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote:
All my facts are taken from third party audited resources to ensure accuracy. People can then access those sources themselves and trace the governance and audit trail to ensure accuracy. Your opinions don't have this evidence trail. People can check that as simply as posting on here. I have never been a member of any political party, no affiliation to any group so have no desire to make things up but I personally despise elected people treating the public like fools. I believe people should have real facts and figures and transparency from those elected to serve them. You however, have admitted being a member of Labour and the Greens and obviously have motive and need to manipulate the public to support you in any way you can.
What people tdo with the facts that are given to them on here is up to them. All I care about is that the facts are correct. If it affects the way people vote then so be it. How they vote after the facts are given is not my business.
This party is particularly poor at public consultation and fact reporting and reporting performance which is a real shame as people voted them in as an alternative to the mainstream parties.
The Greens missed the opportunity to lead and bring the people with them and they are now paying the price. This isn't down to me or any of the posters on here, it's down to the Green party members. Don't get angry with me HJarrs look at the Greens. You were a Labour member once and now throw stones at them, maybe it's time you started digging into the detail of your latest choice of party to support.[/p][/quote]Why are we STILL waiting for these 'facts and figures'?! The longer you fail to provide these one can only hazard a guess that you are telling complete lies!!brighton bluenose

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
All my facts are taken from third party audited resources to ensure accuracy. People can then access those sources themselves and trace the governance and audit trail to ensure accuracy. Your opinions don't have this evidence trail. People can check that as simply as posting on here. I have never been a member of any political party, no affiliation to any group so have no desire to make things up but I personally despise elected people treating the public like fools. I believe people should have real facts and figures and transparency from those elected to serve them. You however, have admitted being a member of Labour and the Greens and obviously have motive and need to manipulate the public to support you in any way you can.
What people tdo with the facts that are given to them on here is up to them. All I care about is that the facts are correct. If it affects the way people vote then so be it. How they vote after the facts are given is not my business.
This party is particularly poor at public consultation and fact reporting and reporting performance which is a real shame as people voted them in as an alternative to the mainstream parties.
The Greens missed the opportunity to lead and bring the people with them and they are now paying the price. This isn't down to me or any of the posters on here, it's down to the Green party members. Don't get angry with me HJarrs look at the Greens. You were a Labour member once and now throw stones at them, maybe it's time you started digging into the detail of your latest choice of party to support.

We are still waiting for the facts backed up with independently audited figures that you tell us you have presented - so I ask again, please provide these?!
Especially as you have constantly, and rather tediously, kept demanding such audited statistics from others!

......and to this one too??!!

God almighty. Are all Greens this pompous and self important?

Pompous? Moi?!
Actually if you were reasonably-minded you would say 'Yeah come on Maxwells Ghost - wipe the floor with BB and HJ etc with your facts backed up with the independently verified stats that you've got at your very fingertips that you've constantly referred to for weeks' EXCEPT that your not reasonably minded and he hasn't got any such facts!!

[quote][p][bold]Number Six[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote:
All my facts are taken from third party audited resources to ensure accuracy. People can then access those sources themselves and trace the governance and audit trail to ensure accuracy. Your opinions don't have this evidence trail. People can check that as simply as posting on here. I have never been a member of any political party, no affiliation to any group so have no desire to make things up but I personally despise elected people treating the public like fools. I believe people should have real facts and figures and transparency from those elected to serve them. You however, have admitted being a member of Labour and the Greens and obviously have motive and need to manipulate the public to support you in any way you can.
What people tdo with the facts that are given to them on here is up to them. All I care about is that the facts are correct. If it affects the way people vote then so be it. How they vote after the facts are given is not my business.
This party is particularly poor at public consultation and fact reporting and reporting performance which is a real shame as people voted them in as an alternative to the mainstream parties.
The Greens missed the opportunity to lead and bring the people with them and they are now paying the price. This isn't down to me or any of the posters on here, it's down to the Green party members. Don't get angry with me HJarrs look at the Greens. You were a Labour member once and now throw stones at them, maybe it's time you started digging into the detail of your latest choice of party to support.[/p][/quote]We are still waiting for the facts backed up with independently audited figures that you tell us you have presented - so I ask again, please provide these?!
Especially as you have constantly, and rather tediously, kept demanding such audited statistics from others![/p][/quote]......and to this one too??!![/p][/quote]God almighty. Are all Greens this pompous and self important?[/p][/quote]Pompous? Moi?!
Actually if you were reasonably-minded you would say 'Yeah come on Maxwells Ghost - wipe the floor with BB and HJ etc with your facts backed up with the independently verified stats that you've got at your very fingertips that you've constantly referred to for weeks' EXCEPT that your not reasonably minded and he hasn't got any such facts!!brighton bluenose

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
All my facts are taken from third party audited resources to ensure accuracy. People can then access those sources themselves and trace the governance and audit trail to ensure accuracy. Your opinions don't have this evidence trail. People can check that as simply as posting on here. I have never been a member of any political party, no affiliation to any group so have no desire to make things up but I personally despise elected people treating the public like fools. I believe people should have real facts and figures and transparency from those elected to serve them. You however, have admitted being a member of Labour and the Greens and obviously have motive and need to manipulate the public to support you in any way you can.
What people tdo with the facts that are given to them on here is up to them. All I care about is that the facts are correct. If it affects the way people vote then so be it. How they vote after the facts are given is not my business.
This party is particularly poor at public consultation and fact reporting and reporting performance which is a real shame as people voted them in as an alternative to the mainstream parties.
The Greens missed the opportunity to lead and bring the people with them and they are now paying the price. This isn't down to me or any of the posters on here, it's down to the Green party members. Don't get angry with me HJarrs look at the Greens. You were a Labour member once and now throw stones at them, maybe it's time you started digging into the detail of your latest choice of party to support.

We are still waiting for the facts backed up with independently audited figures that you tell us you have presented - so I ask again, please provide these?!
Especially as you have constantly, and rather tediously, kept demanding such audited statistics from others!

......and to this one too??!!

Dry up brown nose, will you, !!!

Another interesting post by someone incapable of real debate with NOTHING to say!

[quote][p][bold]ARMANA[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote:
All my facts are taken from third party audited resources to ensure accuracy. People can then access those sources themselves and trace the governance and audit trail to ensure accuracy. Your opinions don't have this evidence trail. People can check that as simply as posting on here. I have never been a member of any political party, no affiliation to any group so have no desire to make things up but I personally despise elected people treating the public like fools. I believe people should have real facts and figures and transparency from those elected to serve them. You however, have admitted being a member of Labour and the Greens and obviously have motive and need to manipulate the public to support you in any way you can.
What people tdo with the facts that are given to them on here is up to them. All I care about is that the facts are correct. If it affects the way people vote then so be it. How they vote after the facts are given is not my business.
This party is particularly poor at public consultation and fact reporting and reporting performance which is a real shame as people voted them in as an alternative to the mainstream parties.
The Greens missed the opportunity to lead and bring the people with them and they are now paying the price. This isn't down to me or any of the posters on here, it's down to the Green party members. Don't get angry with me HJarrs look at the Greens. You were a Labour member once and now throw stones at them, maybe it's time you started digging into the detail of your latest choice of party to support.[/p][/quote]We are still waiting for the facts backed up with independently audited figures that you tell us you have presented - so I ask again, please provide these?!
Especially as you have constantly, and rather tediously, kept demanding such audited statistics from others![/p][/quote]......and to this one too??!![/p][/quote]Dry up brown nose, will you, !!![/p][/quote]Another interesting post by someone incapable of real debate with NOTHING to say!brighton bluenose

Maxwell's Ghost wrote: All my facts are taken from third party audited resources to ensure accuracy. People can then access those sources themselves and trace the governance and audit trail to ensure accuracy. Your opinions don't have this evidence trail. People can check that as simply as posting on here. I have never been a member of any political party, no affiliation to any group so have no desire to make things up but I personally despise elected people treating the public like fools. I believe people should have real facts and figures and transparency from those elected to serve them. You however, have admitted being a member of Labour and the Greens and obviously have motive and need to manipulate the public to support you in any way you can. What people tdo with the facts that are given to them on here is up to them. All I care about is that the facts are correct. If it affects the way people vote then so be it. How they vote after the facts are given is not my business. This party is particularly poor at public consultation and fact reporting and reporting performance which is a real shame as people voted them in as an alternative to the mainstream parties. The Greens missed the opportunity to lead and bring the people with them and they are now paying the price. This isn't down to me or any of the posters on here, it's down to the Green party members. Don't get angry with me HJarrs look at the Greens. You were a Labour member once and now throw stones at them, maybe it's time you started digging into the detail of your latest choice of party to support.

We are still waiting for the facts backed up with independently audited figures that you tell us you have presented - so I ask again, please provide these?! Especially as you have constantly, and rather tediously, kept demanding such audited statistics from others!

......and to this one too??!!

God almighty. Are all Greens this pompous and self important?

Pompous? Moi?! Actually if you were reasonably-minded you would say 'Yeah come on Maxwells Ghost - wipe the floor with BB and HJ etc with your facts backed up with the independently verified stats that you've got at your very fingertips that you've constantly referred to for weeks' EXCEPT that your not reasonably minded and he hasn't got any such facts!!

I think you've just established my point much better than I could. I'm reasonable minded enough to know that this is a local newspaper's chat board. It's not a court of law, no one has to prove anything. That's why it's called the comments section - the clue is in the name. You must be fun down the pub. Do you insist that everyone has to come to the bar loaded with facts and figures, together with their Archbold?

[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Number Six[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: All my facts are taken from third party audited resources to ensure accuracy. People can then access those sources themselves and trace the governance and audit trail to ensure accuracy. Your opinions don't have this evidence trail. People can check that as simply as posting on here. I have never been a member of any political party, no affiliation to any group so have no desire to make things up but I personally despise elected people treating the public like fools. I believe people should have real facts and figures and transparency from those elected to serve them. You however, have admitted being a member of Labour and the Greens and obviously have motive and need to manipulate the public to support you in any way you can. What people tdo with the facts that are given to them on here is up to them. All I care about is that the facts are correct. If it affects the way people vote then so be it. How they vote after the facts are given is not my business. This party is particularly poor at public consultation and fact reporting and reporting performance which is a real shame as people voted them in as an alternative to the mainstream parties. The Greens missed the opportunity to lead and bring the people with them and they are now paying the price. This isn't down to me or any of the posters on here, it's down to the Green party members. Don't get angry with me HJarrs look at the Greens. You were a Labour member once and now throw stones at them, maybe it's time you started digging into the detail of your latest choice of party to support.[/p][/quote]We are still waiting for the facts backed up with independently audited figures that you tell us you have presented - so I ask again, please provide these?! Especially as you have constantly, and rather tediously, kept demanding such audited statistics from others![/p][/quote]......and to this one too??!![/p][/quote]God almighty. Are all Greens this pompous and self important?[/p][/quote]Pompous? Moi?! Actually if you were reasonably-minded you would say 'Yeah come on Maxwells Ghost - wipe the floor with BB and HJ etc with your facts backed up with the independently verified stats that you've got at your very fingertips that you've constantly referred to for weeks' EXCEPT that your not reasonably minded and he hasn't got any such facts!![/p][/quote]I think you've just established my point much better than I could. I'm reasonable minded enough to know that this is a local newspaper's chat board. It's not a court of law, no one has to prove anything. That's why it's called the comments section - the clue is in the name. You must be fun down the pub. Do you insist that everyone has to come to the bar loaded with facts and figures, together with their Archbold?Number Six

Maxwell's Ghost wrote: All my facts are taken from third party audited resources to ensure accuracy. People can then access those sources themselves and trace the governance and audit trail to ensure accuracy. Your opinions don't have this evidence trail. People can check that as simply as posting on here. I have never been a member of any political party, no affiliation to any group so have no desire to make things up but I personally despise elected people treating the public like fools. I believe people should have real facts and figures and transparency from those elected to serve them. You however, have admitted being a member of Labour and the Greens and obviously have motive and need to manipulate the public to support you in any way you can. What people tdo with the facts that are given to them on here is up to them. All I care about is that the facts are correct. If it affects the way people vote then so be it. How they vote after the facts are given is not my business. This party is particularly poor at public consultation and fact reporting and reporting performance which is a real shame as people voted them in as an alternative to the mainstream parties. The Greens missed the opportunity to lead and bring the people with them and they are now paying the price. This isn't down to me or any of the posters on here, it's down to the Green party members. Don't get angry with me HJarrs look at the Greens. You were a Labour member once and now throw stones at them, maybe it's time you started digging into the detail of your latest choice of party to support.

We are still waiting for the facts backed up with independently audited figures that you tell us you have presented - so I ask again, please provide these?! Especially as you have constantly, and rather tediously, kept demanding such audited statistics from others!

......and to this one too??!!

God almighty. Are all Greens this pompous and self important?

Pompous? Moi?! Actually if you were reasonably-minded you would say 'Yeah come on Maxwells Ghost - wipe the floor with BB and HJ etc with your facts backed up with the independently verified stats that you've got at your very fingertips that you've constantly referred to for weeks' EXCEPT that your not reasonably minded and he hasn't got any such facts!!

I think you've just established my point much better than I could. I'm reasonable minded enough to know that this is a local newspaper's chat board. It's not a court of law, no one has to prove anything. That's why it's called the comments section - the clue is in the name. You must be fun down the pub. Do you insist that everyone has to come to the bar loaded with facts and figures, together with their Archbold?

Ha ha ha - I think you are deliberately missing the point!
MG has consistently and regularly requested facts backed up with stats whilst telling us all that he has done exactly that to prove his various arguments. I've merely asked that he tells us which facts that he has provided and what proof he's backed it up with because I don't remember a single one of these proven facts! I would respectfully suggest that only someone who is unreasonable would fail to see that that is a perfectly reasonable request in the ongoing debates across the subjects on the Argus forums!!

[quote][p][bold]Number Six[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Number Six[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: All my facts are taken from third party audited resources to ensure accuracy. People can then access those sources themselves and trace the governance and audit trail to ensure accuracy. Your opinions don't have this evidence trail. People can check that as simply as posting on here. I have never been a member of any political party, no affiliation to any group so have no desire to make things up but I personally despise elected people treating the public like fools. I believe people should have real facts and figures and transparency from those elected to serve them. You however, have admitted being a member of Labour and the Greens and obviously have motive and need to manipulate the public to support you in any way you can. What people tdo with the facts that are given to them on here is up to them. All I care about is that the facts are correct. If it affects the way people vote then so be it. How they vote after the facts are given is not my business. This party is particularly poor at public consultation and fact reporting and reporting performance which is a real shame as people voted them in as an alternative to the mainstream parties. The Greens missed the opportunity to lead and bring the people with them and they are now paying the price. This isn't down to me or any of the posters on here, it's down to the Green party members. Don't get angry with me HJarrs look at the Greens. You were a Labour member once and now throw stones at them, maybe it's time you started digging into the detail of your latest choice of party to support.[/p][/quote]We are still waiting for the facts backed up with independently audited figures that you tell us you have presented - so I ask again, please provide these?! Especially as you have constantly, and rather tediously, kept demanding such audited statistics from others![/p][/quote]......and to this one too??!![/p][/quote]God almighty. Are all Greens this pompous and self important?[/p][/quote]Pompous? Moi?! Actually if you were reasonably-minded you would say 'Yeah come on Maxwells Ghost - wipe the floor with BB and HJ etc with your facts backed up with the independently verified stats that you've got at your very fingertips that you've constantly referred to for weeks' EXCEPT that your not reasonably minded and he hasn't got any such facts!![/p][/quote]I think you've just established my point much better than I could. I'm reasonable minded enough to know that this is a local newspaper's chat board. It's not a court of law, no one has to prove anything. That's why it's called the comments section - the clue is in the name. You must be fun down the pub. Do you insist that everyone has to come to the bar loaded with facts and figures, together with their Archbold?[/p][/quote]Ha ha ha - I think you are deliberately missing the point!
MG has consistently and regularly requested facts backed up with stats whilst telling us all that he has done exactly that to prove his various arguments. I've merely asked that he tells us which facts that he has provided and what proof he's backed it up with because I don't remember a single one of these proven facts! I would respectfully suggest that only someone who is unreasonable would fail to see that that is a perfectly reasonable request in the ongoing debates across the subjects on the Argus forums!!brighton bluenose