Are You Watching The Proxy War Brewing In Cyprus?http://www.businessinsider.com/are-you-watching-the-brewing-proxy-war-in-cyprus-2011-9/comments
en-usWed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 -0500Fri, 09 Dec 2016 12:24:21 -0500Bruce Krastinghttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/4ea40af8eab8ea2f34000063JASun, 23 Oct 2011 08:39:20 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4ea40af8eab8ea2f34000063
Please support mehttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/4e8091b369bedd2a1800000dJAMon, 26 Sep 2011 10:52:35 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4e8091b369bedd2a1800000d
Here is an idea;
let the new neo-bolsheviks (Russians) and Turks go at it and we just stay the F**k out of it.
The Turks hate us, the Russians hate us, so why the hell should we get involved??
The ONLY friend we have in that whole area is Israel - and they are a very hi-tech nation; sort of like a Taiwan of the Mideast. They can find their own oil and gas . They are not stupid.
Turkey used to be our friend, but they are rapidly undoing all that Kemal Attaturk (the founder of "modern" Turkey) did.
The Turks and the Russians go way way back as not liking each other, and frankly, the Turks are FANATICAL fighters. They are really tough and mean and no one wants to go against them. The Arabs hate them too, and so do the Iranians (they are temporary pals only these days, as both are vying to 'control" the mideast).
The USA needs basically to arm itself to the teeth, take s**t from nobody, and mind its own damn business.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4e7f9112ecad04d61c000045USS Liberty VetsSun, 25 Sep 2011 16:37:38 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4e7f9112ecad04d61c000045
Before we had 'friends' like Israel, we didnt have any enemies.
26.09.01 Haaretz
Odigo says workers were warned of attack
Odigo, the Israeli instant messaging service, says that two of its workers received messages two hours before the Twin Towers attack on September 11 predicting the attack would happen, and the company has been cooperating with Israeli and American law enforcement, including the FBI, in trying to find the original sender of the message predicting the attack.
By Yuval Dror
Odigo, the instant messaging service, says that two of its workers received messages two hours before the Twin Towers attack on September 11 predicting the attack would happen, and the company has been cooperating with Israeli and American law enforcement, including the FBI, in trying to find the original sender of the message predicting the attack.
Micha Macover, CEO of the company, said the two workers received the messages and immediately after the terror attack informed the company's management, which immediately contacted the Israeli security services, which brought in the FBI.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4e7f7b34eab8eab843000057Gov. Rick PerrySun, 25 Sep 2011 15:04:20 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4e7f7b34eab8eab843000057
TL;DRhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/4e7f646eeab8ea6122000029taranisSun, 25 Sep 2011 13:27:10 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4e7f646eeab8ea6122000029
Here's an answer I posted a coupled of days ago in ZeroHedge that explains it better.
The main problem is that now that we've started drilling in our offshore acreage with the Israelis (Noble & Delek), where huge amounts of natural gas and oil are thought to exist, and everyone says that Cyprus will become the new energy hub that will supply both Israel and Europe, Turkey's PM Mr Erdogan decided to put neo-Ottoman neo-empire plans in motion and in a more rapid fashion, since he realized that Turkey holds no legal standing whatsoever because they do not recognize Cyprus, which will assume EU's presidency in 2012, and trying to discredit legal agreements by using the Turkish Cypriot community and their "rightful" share from the profits.
That's the same reason he has embarked in a rock star tour in middle east and particularly Egypt, in order to further stir up the anti-Israel sentiment and leverage this and the Palestine bid in order to gather momentum in the periphery, despite the fact that the Arab Brotherhood does not share the same ideas regarding Mr Erdogan's and therefore Turkey's special brand of shall we say a rather toned down Islam, as much as they share the hatred towards Israel.
This, coupled with the military defence deal between Cyprus, Israel & Greece was enough to send Erdogan into a histrionic tantrum, since according to his neo imperial eminence it is unfathomable for another state to become an equal geopolitical player in the Mediterranean, regarding energy supply, much less a weak and suppressed state like Cyprus.
So now that he was repeatedly warned by the EU, US, UN & Russia and Obama in person in the UN meeting that not only he must respect Cyprus sovereign rights to explore its natural resources, which are within every universal legal accord, but he must refrain from his perpetually repeated polemic threats towards Cyprus, Israel & Greece, throwing casus belli warnings around like hot pockets, because it is an unacceptable behaviour for a EU member state candidate.
The problem is that Turkey as a NATO member, has a considerable geostrategic interest for the US policy, acting not only as a EU - Middle East bridge, but as a ground for NATO's radar installation, which ironically shares live intelligence with both US fleets and Israel despite Erdogan's opposition, and Nuclear Warheads housing. Also, Turkey's strong trade partnership with EU will make any political confrontation between the two more complicated, I think, despite Austria's opposition for their EU membership, Germany's slight reluctance and France's anti-Muslim sentiment, which some might find to be legitimate if Turkey's sheer population size of almost 80 million is taken into consideration, and from which after exempting the more secularized, affluent and modernized and urbanized bourgeois, you are left with a great percentage consisting of a largely rural, uneducated and highly nationalistic as well as conservative Muslim population, ready to flood the several EU greener pastures.
While I do not fully trust Washington's foreign policy, I do hope that they take Erdogan's gung-ho behaviour as a sign of the peripheral turmoil that will follow caused by his overinflated ego, and while it might manage to stir up the situation in Middle East and thereby affect Israel, which will mean that whoever's in Presidency will be affected by the Jewish-American lobby, I do not think that Israel will sacrifice a full military conflict with Turkey's army for the sake of small Cyprus, although their interconnected Oil & Natural Gas agreements might be sufficient incentives.
The most worrisome part is that with the shameless economic disassembling and societal destruction of Greece by its treacherous government and their conniving IMF bankers, our only military support is in a weak state despite its army's anti-government stance and admirable under the circumstances moral. Of course despite everything, Turkey's PM ordered his 3 submarines and great part of his fleet to "tour" the area, in order to throw oil in the fire and to "protect" their illegally exploring-for-oil-in-Cyprus-shores ships, from I'm guessing the non existent Cypriot navy and air force.
And now with the US 6th Fleet lead by USS Monterrey on the way along with Russia's two submarines (Gazprom claimed 2 acreages in Cyprus' 2nd auction round) in an area crowded with Turkish air force jets and Israel's UAVs, things are getting spicy to say the least.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4e7f63a06bb3f73c40000030taranisSun, 25 Sep 2011 13:23:44 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4e7f63a06bb3f73c40000030
The confiscated munitions cargo from Iran was not stored in a tent, but directly under the sun, where was left exposed to endure the high temperatures of Cyprus summer cycles and eventually combust, which lead to the explosion; there was no brush fire. In fact when specialists from the Geek Army Administration visited the scene afterwards and compared the pre-explosion photos, they concluded that the cargo containers were placed in such a specific formation next to each other, rather “randomly”, that they caused the most damage possible.
To top this grand exhibition of high ineptitude of the current government administration officials who completely ignored repeated warnings from our military officials, they’ve had the shipment placed between our primary power station and our relatively new military naval base. The outcome of this administrative clusterf*ck caused the lives of 13 men, obliterated the island’s main power generator and navy base and left a not-so-tragically weak economy by its Greek debt exposure, with an almost €3 billion deficit hole.
Tis the price we pay for our president’s “sensitive” diplomatic manoeuvres, and whose resignation is demanded by people protesting outside the presidential palace since mid July.
As for the Russian loan, it was only recently decided because of the central bank’s reluctance to tap international markets for refinancing the maturing debt, as yields on Cypriot bonds on secondary markets have surged in recent months due to our banks downgrade, of course. I’d also be remiss if I didn’t mention the close Cypriot-Russian ties vis-à-vis the rather large Russian community residing in Cyprus and the allocation of its even greater offshore capital investment, which I’m assuming is the main reason for this “friendly” loan.
Some photos from the explosion:
<a href="http://ca.news.yahoo.com/photos/explosion-at-cyprus-military-base-1310388591-slideshow/damaged-vassilikos-power-station-seen-massive-blast-neighbouring-photo-122100955.html" target="_blank">http://ca.news.yahoo.com/photos/explosion-at-cyprus-military-base-1310388591-slideshow/damaged-vassilikos-power-station-seen-massive-blast-neighbouring-photo-122100955.html</a>
As for the drilling now; the license was awarded to Noble, at the beginning of last year if I’m correct, but recently surfaced from Wikileaks that it was actually Israel’s Delek who pushed Noble to take it. Delek has around 20-25% ownership on the deal for block 12 which incidentally 20% of it intersects with Israel’s Exclusive Economic Zone.
To fast forward. The hydrocarbon deal was signed, everyone in the industry is talking about mythical natural gas quantities along with oil, Turkey realized that they left out of the “Mediterranean energy story”, they’ve used the Gaza flotilla incident where IDF killed some of their “peaceful” protesters as an indirect “Casus Belli “against Israel after, Israel-Greece-Cyprus signed a defence deal to counter Turkey’s unlawful war threats against Cyprus for not including Turkey –which has zero legal right-. Israel has the whole acreage patrolled by its drones after Turkey warned that it would send warships. Turkey engages in further polemics before is reprimanded by EU, UN, US and of course Russia and turns its attention to the weak link that is a bankrupt Greece and revisits the matter of a previous dispute regarding the expansion of its Exclusive Economic Zone in the Aegean.
A rather brief explanation of both events but it pretty much sums up everything.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4e7f5df0ecad04af4c000010Keating WillcoxSun, 25 Sep 2011 12:59:28 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4e7f5df0ecad04af4c000010
Interesting map - shows Cyprus as one country and no Israel or Lebanon? Where is the big gas field?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4e7f5906ecad04824a000014Terrible Swift SwordSun, 25 Sep 2011 12:38:30 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4e7f5906ecad04824a000014
Gang Cyprus is two countries, of sorts. Greek Cyprus and Turkish Cyprus.
Drones are needed in Turkey because Israel withdrew sale of them after the death of nine Turkish countrymen on the blockage runner. The drones watch the PRK on the border with Iraq.
Bingo, Russia doesn't want gas availalbe for Europe. It loves this monopoly.
There are an enormous number of Russians in Israel. Don't know why we are proping up the country.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4e7f56a7ecad044a2700003dbarbacoa666Sun, 25 Sep 2011 12:28:23 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4e7f56a7ecad044a2700003d
Greece (main ally of Cyprus) and Turkey are both US allies, but have a long history of conflict. In the grand scheme of things, the US risks being in conflict with one of them, and also potentially working against a US energy exploration companyhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/4e7f55886bb3f7121f000039maxmaxSun, 25 Sep 2011 12:23:36 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4e7f55886bb3f7121f000039
Please read the story. Russia is the one protecting the gas drilling. Turkey is trying to stop it, with the help of the US.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4e7f509b6bb3f7131f000024barbacoa666Sun, 25 Sep 2011 12:02:35 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4e7f509b6bb3f7131f000024
They don't necessarily want to keep the gas from market. But they will want to add it to their near-monopoly position by marketing it for the Cypriots.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4e7f4c88eab8ea5e7b00001cNo Tin Foil HatSun, 25 Sep 2011 11:45:12 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4e7f4c88eab8ea5e7b00001c
The Kursk was lost in shallow water, in Russia's backyard. Any US sub that managed to sneak in (not an easy feat) would have immediately been revealed, if a torpedo was fired. WWIII would have been the result.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4e7f428669beddb116000002dimasvilasSun, 25 Sep 2011 11:02:30 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4e7f428669beddb116000002
because to really speak of Russia, if that this behind all this is Israel?
this situation is dangerous, can be a powder magazine.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4e7f423eecad04cc07000033Roger DSun, 25 Sep 2011 11:01:18 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4e7f423eecad04cc07000033
Russia is still looking for its revenge on us for sinking the Kursk.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4e7f3c0a69bedde26a00002filSun, 25 Sep 2011 10:34:50 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4e7f3c0a69bedde26a00002f
Papa: Russia doesn't need the natural gas. They just want to keep everyone else from getting it, to preserve their near monopoly position in parts of Eastern Europe. What better way to prevent / slow offshore drilling than to stir the place up with submarines and drones so that the risk of commercial development leads to prohibitive costs.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4e7f37d8ecad04b90700001bCliff WachtelSun, 25 Sep 2011 10:16:56 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4e7f37d8ecad04b90700001b
good thing US has Israel for logistical support once Turkey goes all the way over to the Islamic blockhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/4e7f372169bedde773000018Papa HardingSun, 25 Sep 2011 10:13:53 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4e7f372169bedde773000018
Russia is just keeping things interesting and stirring up more arms business. They have zero need for natural gas…their own supply is massive. What better way to show off capabilities of russian made subs than an actual run?