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Got this issue in the mail yesterday but just got around to reading the story. It's a really good read and I suggest it to everyone. And yes, he did think the lyrics of The Ocean would out him, but said the only person who suspected anything was Butch Vig. Really interesting read.

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Just a friendly PSA since some people in here are not using either/or correctly:

The distinction between sex and gender is a concept that distinguishes sex, the biological makeup of an individual's reproductive anatomy, from gender, an individual's lifestyle often culturally learned.

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Argentina makes sex-change surgery a legal right

May 9, 2012 11:06 PM

BUENOS AIRES, Argentina — Adults who want sex-change surgery or hormone therapy in Argentina will be able to get it as part of their public or private health care plans under a gender rights law approved Wednesday.

The measure also gives people the right to specify how their gender is listed at the civil registry when their physical characteristics don't match how they see themselves.

Senators approved the Gender Identity law by a vote of 55-0, with one abstention and more than a dozen senators declaring themselves absent — the same margin that approved a "death with dignity" law earlier in the day.

President Cristina Fernandez threw her support behind the law and is expected to sign it. She has often said how proud she is that Argentina became Latin America's first nation to legalize gay marriage two years ago, enabling thousands of same-sex couples to wed and enjoy the same legal rights as married heterosexual couples.

For many, gender rights were the next step.

Any adult will now be able to officially change his or her gender, image and birth name without having to get approval from doctors or judges — and without having to undergo physical changes beforehand, as many U.S. jurisdictions require.

"It's saying you can change your gender legally without having to change your body at all. That's unheard of," said Katrina Karkazis, a Stanford University medical anthropologist and bioethicst who wrote a book, "Fixing Sex," about the medical and legal treatment of people whose physical characteristics don't fully match their gender identity.

"There's a whole set of medical criteria that people have to meet to change their gender in the U.S., and meanwhile this gives the individual an extraordinary amount of authority for how they want to live. It's really incredible," she said.

When Argentines want to change their bodies, health care companies will have to provide them with surgery or hormone therapy on demand. Such treatments will be included in the "Obligatory Medical Plan," which means both private and public providers will not be able to charge extra for the services.

"This law is going to enable many of us to have light, to come out of the darkness, to appear," said Sen. Osvaldo Lopez of Tierra del Fuego, the only openly gay national lawmaker in Argentina.

"There are many people in our country who also deserve the power to exist," Lopez said.

Children also get a voice under the law: Youths under 18 who want to change their genders gain the right to do so with the approval of their legal guardians. But if parents or guardians want a gender identity change and don't have the child's consent, then a judge must intervene to ensure the child's rights are protected.

"This isn't going to create a huge demand on the national health system for these procedures. They're difficult, painful, irreversible. And this is why many people don't do it," she said.

But because the law says people can legally change their identities without having to undergo genital surgery or hormone therapy, these changes can be more benign and even reversible, if some day the person's self-image changes.

Other countries, including neighboring Uruguay, have passed gender rights laws, but Argentina's "is in the forefront of the world" because of these benefits it guarantees, said Cesar Cigliutti, president of the Homosexual Community of Argentina.

"This is truly a human right: the right to happiness," Sen. Miguel Pichetto said during the debate.

Re: Against Me! now fronted by a chick

Originally Posted by PotVsKtl

There are a million places on the internet you can start threads about vacuous bimbos and then announce how you're going to bruise her cervix and whatnot with your superimpressive junk. It won't be here.

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Originally Posted by cutterbutter

Just a friendly PSA since some people in here are not using either/or correctly:

The distinction between sex and gender is a concept that distinguishes sex, the biological makeup of an individual's reproductive anatomy, from gender, an individual's lifestyle often culturally learned.

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Gender identity is only defined by our culture is what it is saying. The idea of a woman or man varies from place to place. The persons SEX is defined by their biological makeup such as xx or xy chromosome or having a penis or vagina. Obviously there are surgeries to change these things to help people match their own gender identity, but they can only go so far.

This is intro psych/human sexuality stuff. Shit, you can just google sex vs gender and get a not so inane explanation from multiple sources.

His upbringing probably had lent to the desire to become a woman in some fashion, especially living in a positive environment where he knows that option is a possible one, but a lot of lgbt report this interest/desire/feeling whatever you want to call it from birth/early cognitive age. It isnt an absolute learned behavior.

Sorry if someone finds some hole in what I said. Im just trying communicate these ideas simply.

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Originally Posted by cutterbutter

Gender identity is only defined by our culture is what it is saying. The idea of a woman or man varies from place to place. The persons SEX is defined by their biological makeup such as xx or xy chromosome or having a penis or vagina. Obviously there are surgeries to change these things to help people match their own gender identity, but they can only go so far.

This is intro psych/human sexuality stuff. Shit, you can just google sex vs gender and get a not so inane explanation from multiple sources.

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Our culture doesn't define transgender people as "him" or "she". We call them "cross dressers" or "transgender". Folks have been doing it in "rock bands" for the last 50 years (and in cultures since the beginning of time). There is nothing shocking or brave about. It's really hard for me to think of a band, that I enjoy, that doesn't play with androgyny. Bands like the Dolls, Stooges, Cramps, Stones, Nirvana, Smashing Pumpkins, Tool, Madonna have all made it kind of normal.