Your arrogance has stopped you from thinking objectively. You know everything and dismiss anyone else's idea as dumb, this is truly the viewpoint of the naive and blind. How can you possible expect people to respect you with such a ridiculously arrogant way of talking.

Exactly my point. This is why you guys make me want to pull my freakin hair out. Everyone who doesn't agree with your theories is close minded, sheep, and not privy to the great knowledge you are. I'm done here. I'll leave you with this guy ranting for about 20 minutes. Sums up my thoughts perfectly.

This is the kind of thing that cracks me up. THERE IS NO ONE REACTION TO HOW A PERSON HANDLES GRIEF. This is something I've learned from personal experience, and something I've seen first hand in law enforcement. I've told parents their kids were dead. I've seen reactions of parents, grandparents, and siblings. Everyone deals with their grief in their own way.

Really? You've seen people who react to the death of their kids with a smug smirk, followed by "we ready to start? k" and a sudden fake looking transformation into a choking speech without a single tear? Have you ever actually seen someone SMIRKING right before giving a funeral speech and then suddenly deliberately trying to be somber and sad again for the audience when they go on stage?

I haven't.

Why does he have change right before the speech? If you're coping, then keep coping, why suddenly try to change when the cameras are ready?

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The mere fact that this guy is supposedly an actor for the CIA or something of that sort simply because he laughed, and then began crying THE SECOND HE STARTED TALKING ABOUT HIS DEAD CHILD is beyond stupid.

He DIDN'T CRY. That's the point. Not when he started talking about his dead child, not when he continually plugs his charity for funeral expenses, and not when he talks about gun control. Not once. He hyperventilates, makes a choky voice, but that's it. That's how far any of them go.

And you're the one with the condescending tone here, continually calling me and my viewpoint "beyond stupid" without even looking at the videos. Weren't you complaining about smugness and arrogance from conspiracy theorists just a few posts ago?

Watch the Columbine video Oordeel posted. How many distraught and shocked people do you see crying? How many of those witnesses and students do you see smirking or laughing? How many medical examiners do you see laughing? In the 9/11 videos? Keep in mind those were actual tragedies, whether or not 9/11 was a false flag done by govt collusion, it was still real and the deaths were real.

This was an outright hoax, because frankly it seems they couldn't find or wait for anyone sick enough to actually do something like this to push their agenda, so they did the next best thing. Pretend. It works just as well apparently.

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Re-read what I posted. He asked if they were ready to start the conference, not if they were filming. How the hell does the guy who made the video know if he realizes they are filming or not? Did it occur to anyone that perhaps he knew they were filming all along? Also, the guy who made the video calls his laughing "getting into character". Yet there is no one way to get into character. A lot of actors get into the mood of the character they are going to play long before they actually start. This guy did the opposite of that.

Cmon, It's not a big jump from "is the conference ready?" to "are the cameras rolling and on me?". He calls it getting into character because that's exactly what it looks like. Real people don't try to force sadness after casually joking.

I appreciate it, but I'm not looking for consolation. This was a while ago now. I'm merely using it as an example. I bring it up because one of my friends later asked me how I could be laughing and joking with my dead fathers body literally right behind me.

My brother was the exact opposite. He was inconsolable, as was my mother. EVERYONE DEALS WITH GRIEF IN THEIR OWN WAY. There is no certain one way you must handle a bad situation. To say these guys are actors because they dealt with their tragedy in a way YOU don't approve of is incredibly insensitive and disrespectful towards their family and deceased loved ones.

Exactly, you may have been among the stoic souls who try to move on sooner, but there are always some who will react the usual way, with tears and grief. WHY ISN'T THERE EVEN A SINGLE ONE HERE? Even one?

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So what are you trying to say? No one actually died? All parents, family, and siblings of all supposed dead kids are now actors?

Yes, no one actually died. No, the supposed dead kids are not actors, their parents / guardians / childen's home caretakers probably are and they put them up to it. They were fed lines. That's why there's so few, and none actually on the scene. I don't know who they are or where they are now, maybe they're kids of CIA or govt. ops guys, who knows. Maybe you find it hard to believe the American govt. using kids for propaganda, but Hitler and Stalin did it all the time.

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So, now the local law enforcement who responded to this scene are in on it too right? The other teachers in the school who lost their friends? The school administrators? In the sheer amount of people it would take to pull off such a horrific conspiracy, wouldn't just one or two of those people come forward with guilt? I'm thinking yes. There is no theory.

Not if the entire town is a govt. creation. And there are some questions about the chief as well:

I am not going to search dozens of videos on youtube. I just won't spend the insane amount of time over such an obvious bullshit theory. I used to go back and forth for hours with 9/11 theories. One thing I found is that even after proving them wrong beyond a shadow of a doubt, they still denied. Nothing can get through to these people.

They would say the same for you. If you won't even examine their claims and are ready to reject them before they even start, then you're the one who's not letting anything get through to you. On the contrary I'm taking everything you're saying and discussing it point by point.

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Sure. They probably wanted help with funeral costs, obviously. I've seen families at each others throats over a deceased loved ones money an hour after it happens. The fact is, not everyone is going to live out this picture perfect idea of what "grieving" means... especially to conspiracy theorist (who will deny anything and everything). Maybe they were trying to get their minds off of it. I don't really know. At the end of the day, it was their kids who died. I'm not going to question their actions and bring more pain into their lives than is already there.

Really? A middle class well to do family needs an entire public charity for funeral expenses nowadays? REALLY? How much do these things run nowadays and why isn't every middle class family starting a charity for every person they ever lose? Are funerals for tragedies 100x more expensive or is the rest of America rolling in riches compared to Newtown?

Even if they don't have enough money for a small ceremony themselves which is highly unlikely, you don't think neighbors, friends and THE PRESIDENT chipping in is enough?

This isn't like Hurricane Katrina or Sandy, I just don't see where the money goes.

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No, I didn't make it that far.

You don't have to, it's a nice short one for you I got right here that cuts to the chase. PLEASE, if you want to discuss further with me watch this. It's ridiculous.

Can you please tell me why the Chief Medical Examiner sounds like a Schizophrenic? Why he doesn't know the caliber of the bullets, the clothes the kids were wearing (duuuhhhh .. kid's stuff), the number of boys and girls, the gun used etc. Why he is laughing and doesn't even seem to care. CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHAT IN THE WORLD HE WAS "EXAMINING" FOR FOUR HOURS WHEN HE DOESN'T SEEM TO KNOW A DAMN THING?

Exactly my point. This is why you guys make me want to pull my freakin hair out. Everyone who doesn't agree with your theories is close minded, sheep, and not privy to the great knowledge you are. I'm done here. I'll leave you with this guy ranting for about 20 minutes. Sums up my thoughts perfectly.

how do you know what my theories are? My mind is open to critical thought, true critical thought. From an empirical point of view one would not take your approach to deciding what is right. As far as Sandy Hook goes I have no idea, but I do know I am willing to listen to anyone's opinion and decide if it's worth looking further into. Your attitude does not lead to the pursuit of knowledge, it leads to arrogance and ignorance, have fun with that.

You are the master of placing labels on people to demonize them, you place people into categories that make it easy to tear them down. This is some dark practiced kind of methodology of dealing with people.

how do you know what my theories are? My mind is open to critical thought, true critical thought. From an empirical point of view one would not take your approach to deciding what is right. As far as Sandy Hook goes I have no idea, but I do know I am willing to listen to anyone's opinion and decide if it's worth looking further into. Your attitude does not lead to the pursuit of knowledge, it leads to arrogance and ignorance, have fun with that.

You are the master of placing labels on people to demonize them, you place people into categories that make it easy to tear them down. This is some dark practiced kind of methodology of dealing with people.

I call things for what they are. I hear bullshit enough at work all day and I'm pretty good at spotting it. Having an open mind for bullshit doesn't make you a critical thinker. It just means you're stupid enough to listen to bullshit without knowing when to stop.

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Really? You've seen people who react to the death of their kids with a smug smirk, followed by "we ready to start? k" and a sudden fake looking transformation into a choking speech without a single tear? Have you ever actually seen someone SMIRKING right before giving a funeral speech and then suddenly deliberately trying to be somber and sad again for the audience when they go on stage?

I haven't.

Why does he have change right before the speech? If you're coping, then keep coping, why suddenly try to change when the cameras are ready?

He DIDN'T CRY. That's the point. Not when he started talking about his dead child, not when he continually plugs his charity for funeral expenses, and not when he talks about gun control. Not once. He hyperventilates, makes a choky voice, but that's it. That's how far any of them go.

And you're the one with the condescending tone here, continually calling me and my viewpoint "beyond stupid" without even looking at the videos. Weren't you complaining about smugness and arrogance from conspiracy theorists just a few posts ago?

Watch the Columbine video Oordeel posted. How many distraught and shocked people do you see crying? How many of those witnesses and students do you see smirking or laughing? How many medical examiners do you see laughing? In the 9/11 videos? Keep in mind those were actual tragedies, whether or not 9/11 was a false flag done by govt collusion, it was still real and the deaths were real.

This was an outright hoax, because frankly it seems they couldn't find or wait for anyone sick enough to actually do something like this to push their agenda, so they did the next best thing. Pretend. It works just as well apparently.

Exactly, you may have been among the stoic souls who try to move on sooner, but there are always some who will react the usual way, with tears and grief. WHY ISN'T THERE EVEN A SINGLE ONE HERE? Even one?

Yes, no one actually died. No, the supposed dead kids are not actors, their parents / guardians / childen's home caretakers probably are and they put them up to it. They were fed lines. That's why there's so few, and none actually on the scene. I don't know who they are or where they are now, maybe they're kids of CIA or govt. ops guys, who knows. Maybe you find it hard to believe the American govt. using kids for propaganda, but Hitler and Stalin did it all the time.

Not if the entire town is a govt. creation like Roswell. And there are some questions about the chief as well:

They would say the same for you. If you won't even examine their claims and are ready to reject them before they even start, then you're the one who's not letting anything get through to you. On the contrary I'm taking everything you're saying and discussing it point by point.

Really? A middle class well to do family needs an entire public charity for funeral expenses nowadays? REALLY? How much do these things run nowadays and why isn't every middle class family starting a charity for every person they ever lose? Are funerals for tragedies 100x more expensive or is the rest of America rolling in riches compared to Newtown?

Even if they don't have enough money for a small ceremony themselves which is highly unlikely, you don't think neighbors, friends and THE PRESIDENT chipping in is enough?

This isn't like Hurricane Katrina or Sandy, I just don't see where the money goes.

You don't have to, it's a nice short one for you I got right here that cuts to the chase. PLEASE, if you want to discuss further with me watch this. It's ridiculous.

Can you please tell me why the Chief Medical Examiner sounds like a Schizophrenic? Why he doesn't know the caliber of the bullets, the clothes the kids were wearing (duuuhhhh .. kid's stuff), the number of boys and girls, the gun used etc. Why he is laughing and doesn't even seem to care. CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHAT THE HELL HE WAS "EXAMINING" FOR FOUR HOURS WHEN HE DOESN'T SEEM TO KNOW A DAMN THING?

Okay, and with the bolded part I'm done. This is not worth a second more of my time.

I'd be very interested to hear where people who agree with conspiracy theories live and see if there is a geographic inclination. And wether or not that could be tied to people not trusting their government. And then see how those countries rate for political corruption.

I just find these beliefs interesting - I don't believe them AT ALL but it's still interesting what drives people to do so.

And IF the government would fake such a thing, why would they make it such an amateurish effort as some people claim? Does the government doing these things want to be caught? And why?

I call things for what they are. I hear bullshit enough at work all day and I'm pretty good at spotting it. Having an open mind for bullshit doesn't make you a critical thinker. It just means you're stupid enough to listen to bullshit without knowing when to stop.

Okay, and with the bolded part I'm done. This is not worth a second more of my time.

For the record I like you as a poster when it comes to MMA.

As I expected. Good day, and yes I like many of your MMA related posts as well.

As far as fake towns go, that is me thinking out loud. It's possible the whole town is a CIA employee settlement, or if that's too ridiculous maybe they got a handful of people in on it. The 10 officers and handful of teachers.

But you're right, how can something like this be kept a secret? You'd think people would talk.

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And IF the government would fake such a thing, why would they make it such an amateurish effort as some people claim? Does the government doing these things want to be caught? And why?

Conspiracy-ception

Because that's what they have to work with. When you're looking to hire dudes to spend their lives as fakes and lie to the entire world on such a thing, it's not like Brad Pitt is gonna put his resume in.

And besides, it doesn't matter. Anyone who questions would easily be ostracised and demonised, clearly, when you have an entire media at your disposal. How insensitive are you?? You MONSTERS!

There's also philosophical things about free will, but that is more my personal line of thought. They find it easier to justify this sort of thing when they can say "They deserved it, how dumb can they get to believe this stuff?". For example you can read about how a lot of email scammers, when they get angry and come out of character, say that is how they justify scamming people to themselves .. how they think you deserve it if you are foolish enough to fall for it. But this part is just speculation on my personal line of thought.

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This sort of thing has happened quite a few times before without gun legislation being a result of it.

If there's no legislation as a result of this the motive is sketchy.

Making some conspiracy that's it is a part of some long winded series of plans to destroy the second amendment isn't credible.

And no, this sort has never happened with innocent elementary kids before, that's what sets it apart. Besides, the time was not right to push the legislation earlier, now a lot of other things have slowly been pushed into place (Patriot Act, public fearmongering since 9/11 etc.)

That, along with the Illumanati is just the epitome of a worthless conspiracy theory and it instantly drags down the credibility of this hoax when it's mentioned.

Oh and Soakked stop mentioning the two party system as liberal and conservative, there is no such thing in America.

It's the GOP and the Dems, aka the Ultra Conservative Fascist Party and the Slightly less Conservative, slightly less Fascist Party.

Whatever, maybe the whole secret society thing is a red herring maybe not. Maybe it's coincidence that so many past presidents have been skull and bones society members, so many people in power are freemasons of higher order etc.

Gun control was unconstitutionally rammed through right this morning, so there's your "sketchy motive". And more will be coming.

Believe what you will, I believe I've put my point of view across ... gonna go back to seeing what's new in the MMA world today.

Is it a coincidence that elite Ivy League college grads have become president.

No not really.

Also freemasonry hasn't been notable in a century and I have no idea why people keep talking about this bullshit along with the Illuminati which is apparently a devil worshipping secret group that invites rappers into their ranks of the mos powerful people in the country...yeah.

Also you should stop reading websites that have intentionally misleading headlines. Obama did not bypass Congress for those gun control laws...it even says so in the article..after blatantly lying.

Is it a coincidence that elite Ivy League college grads have become president.

No not really.

Also freemasonry hasn't been notable in a century and I have no idea why people keep talking about this bullshit along with the Illuminati which is apparently a devil worshipping secret group that invites rappers into their ranks of the mos powerful people in the country...yeah.

Also you should stop reading websites that have intentionally misleading headlines. Obama did not bypass Congress for those gun control laws...it even says so in the article..after blatantly lying.

Obama did bypass them to an extent. He is introducing executive measures to make assault weapons control easier for the time being, in addition to tabling full gun controls before congress. Things that technically should be a part of the bill itself and not jumping the gun. And wait for more.

Anyway that website has nothing in particular to do with my views, I just googled the first thing to come up about Obama's steps and put the article up, whatever the point is it's coming.