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By the way, to the OP, I think there is a C&P newbie routine in the interview with Jamie, that is posted on this site.

I'm guessing you're new to training in general? If that's the case, follow the newbie routine, which I believe is similar to a beginner's full-body routine, work on your general physical preparedness, and prime your body to work hard.

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Over the years, Iíve tried virtually every kind of training under the sun, and adhered mostly to bodypart training routines for the first 7 years or so of my 15 years of training. Thereafter, I started experimenting more with full body and push-pull style routines, and started gaining more muscle and shedding more fat. Things really took off for me when I lived in Austria in 2007, where I started using a couple of Waterbury routines and adhering to Ray Audetteís Neanderthin blended with the cheat window philosophy of Warren Willey. Using that, I got incredibly lean and tremendously strong for my weight, to the point where I was front squatting 440 at a bodyweight of around 170. Three years later, utilizing the lessons Iíve learned thereafter, Iím a lean 195-200,

If you're an absolute weight traning noob, you might want to try this first:

"...letís say a beginner was brave/stupid enough to ask you to train them, what would you have them do, and what tips would you give them?

Jamie: How raw a beginner?

MG: Fresh out the womb.

Jamie: Interesting. I donít think Iíve ever trained a raw beginner. I would have them train front squats, standing overhead presses, and deadlifts three times a week, and then pullups, dips, and abs two other days a week. Iíd keep the volume fairly low, especially at first, and have them focus on learning the movements.

After about a month, weíd take the training wheels off and start loading them up, but keep the routine the same."

Anyone know Jamie's current height and weight? Just curious how big he is now. I saw in his blog that he gained 10 pounds last December while leaning out.

How the hell do you gain 10lbs while leaning out? I know the answer I want to say, but I will leave it at that.

Don't get me wrong. I'm all for hard work, and having a kickazz attitude. However I'm also about being honest with your audience. There are a lot of young lifters who seem enamored with C/P, and if he is using the supps I believe he is, then he is not being honest with his audience.

You can train naturally, you can train using the supps of your choice, I don't care one way or the other. What I do care about, is being honest about what your doing. Especially if your pushing said program to the uninformed.

When should I consider doing the chaos/pain training style? How strong do i need to get first? I am also wondering if Jamie Lewis is a natural powerlifter?

you can start now, C&P is opensource allowing the user to make it fit his body. as far as his natural status, i know he used to be, but due to recent changes im not certain, he is a really sincere guy, and if he says he is i am inclined to believe him, science be damned

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Originally Posted by Trevor Lane

You can probably start using the C&P template immediately. I don't believe Jamie uses gear, but he does promote test boosters and stimulants...

this is fine, but i liked his original a bit better

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If you're an absolute weight traning noob, you might want to try this first:

"...letís say a beginner was brave/stupid enough to ask you to train them, what would you have them do, and what tips would you give them?

Jamie: How raw a beginner?

MG: Fresh out the womb.

Jamie: Interesting. I donít think Iíve ever trained a raw beginner. I would have them train front squats, standing overhead presses, and deadlifts three times a week, and then pullups, dips, and abs two other days a week. Iíd keep the volume fairly low, especially at first, and have them focus on learning the movements.

After about a month, weíd take the training wheels off and start loading them up, but keep the routine the same."