log_jammin:RabidJade: The justifications for abortions from the left are so cute. The rhetoric from both sides just sounds like a bunch of kids arguing about something where they got their facts from "friends of friends" or the Internet.

//don't care either way//but the arguments bring out misguided, misleading, and unproven talking points too much

you're my favorite kind of poster. You walk in and condemn everyone(but one side just a little bit more than the other), claim that everyones arguments are all wrong yet give no specifics on what is wrong and why, but then state no of it matter because you don't even care in the first place but decided to post because....something. You're the internest version of the guy who knows nothing of the topic, yet feels the need to jump into the middle of the conversation he wasn't a part of.

Fluorescent Testicle:/FTFY.//But I'm sure it's just coincidence that he's never told a pro-Republican thread to "Stop being political and go back to Free Republic."///He might have showed promise for a while, but now he's nothing but another tiresome threadshiatter.

You know, this "We can't mention another poster by name, lest it anger the ModMins" thing gets a little farking ridiculous when your thread spans over 2 pages and nobody can figure out who the fark you are talking about. Can you tell me in code? Maybe tap it out on the floor? Smoke signals? Carrier pigeons?

Green Scorpio:He should open a gun store.Then he could be responsible for even more deaths.

How about something about the size of the average Dillon's? Abortions performed over here, guns and ammo down this isle. And then we've got 'Ye Olde Tobacco Shoppee' a full line retail liquor store, and a 'Heart Attack Grill' just as you come in the door. Name of the one stop killing field? We Slay You! and the little you

Mikey1969:You know, this "We can't mention another poster by name, lest it anger the ModMins" thing gets a little farking ridiculous when your thread spans over 2 pages and nobody can figure out who the fark you are talking about. Can you tell me in code? Maybe tap it out on the floor? Smoke signals? Carrier pigeons?

Oh, Cman. You can click on the usernames to follow the quotes back, you know.

ksdanj:I live in Wichita and I've lived here most of my life. I remember the "Summer of Mercy" in '92 and I remember Dr. Tiller being shot in the mid-nineties and I remember Dr. Tiller being assassinated in his church in 2009.

The reopening of this clinic is good news for those of us who would hated to have seen the Christian terrorists win.

I guarantee you that if another doctor who provides abortions in Wichita is murdered, the aftermath will play out very differently than it did in 2009. We were shocked in 2009. This time, we will be prepared.

Green Scorpio:Mikey1969: Green Scorpio: He should open a gun store.Then he could be responsible for even more deaths.

It's a farking SHE, people, TRY to RTFA for once!!

Didn't mean to piss in your cheerios, Mikey.I didn't RTFA because i DGAF

But you GAF enough to come in and post. What a weird hobby, posting messages in a board referring to a story that you DGAF about. Even porn addiction seems more productive. Hell, making a rubber-band ball makes more sense.

Green Scorpio:Well I figured if it was a colleague of a doctor, it must have been a man.

Yeah, because in the brave decade of the 1950's women wouldn't dare trying to be doctors. We all know that they can't do anything in the medical professions except nursing and handing shiat to the dentist.

RabidJade:The justifications for abortions from the left are so cute. The rhetoric from both sides just sounds like a bunch of kids arguing about something where they got their facts from "friends of friends" or the Internet.

//don't care either way//but the arguments bring out misguided, misleading, and unproven talking points too much

"In reality, I'd like them to be closed forever and ever, amen," said David Gittrich, the development director forKansans for Life,

And Al Qaeda and other Muslim terrorists, in reality, would like the entire West to either disappear or convert to Islam. And they use similar means to achieve their goal. And it works no more with them than it does how your boy Roeder did it.

RabidJade:The justifications for abortions from the left are so cute. The rhetoric from both sides just sounds like a bunch of kids arguing about something where they got their facts from "friends of friends" or the Internet.

If religious people could think things out they wouldn't be religious.

Professional abortionists prevent injury from coat hangers that could result in death or infertility. Unless you want to ban wire hangers it's better for all to have professionals in this world.

You can't eliminate something there is demand for. The best you can do is to provide alternatives that minimize demand.

The best alts I can think of to minimize abortions:1) Sex Ed that focuses on contraception (and plenty of "if you don't wrap it your junk will rot" FUD imagery)2) High quality adoption services that include premium obstetric coverage3) Mother friendly workplaces. Heck, we need mother friendly colleges, with more campus childcare facilities. Too often motherhood is the end of professional development or higher education.

It is immoral to oppose abortion in a knee jerk manner. Actually, it's an asshole lifestyle to oppose abortion and not work to provide what you would find to be better options. But the better options might require work, and work is bad if you aren't getting paid. Well, maybe you farking Christians need to tithe a part of your LIFE to make things better (from your point of view).

/I'm all in favor of more abortions.//All around the world.///And free condoms everywhere.

No, he's simply a dimwit who can't troll using wit or intelligence so he goes down the only avenue available to him: being a threadshiatting coont.

Yeah, well, that doesn't make him any better than someone who actually espouses the opinion he only pretends to claim. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. Trolls are a waste of perfectly good oxygen.

James F. Campbell:Yeah, well, that doesn't make him any better than someone who actually espouses the opinion he only pretends to claim. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. Trolls are a waste of perfectly good oxygen.

I completely agree, I just think that it's best to publicise his actual status in the hope that he gets ignored and bored of not being the centre of attention and tries something else instead.

ThunderPelvis:"In reality, I'd like them to be closed forever and ever, amen," said David Gittrich, the development director forKansans for Life, later adding, "We don't want to be known as a community where you go to get your babies killed."

You'd prefer to be known as a community where doctors are killed for providing legal, often life-saving medical procedures.

Anyone who kills an abortionist is a hero to real Americans. There is no case where an abortion saves a woman's life when a C section that doesn't murder a human wouldn't accomplish the same thing.

wildcardjack:If religious people could think things out they wouldn't be religious.

Professional abortionists prevent injury from coat hangers that could result in death or infertility. Unless you want to ban wire hangers it's better for all to have professionals in this world.

You can't eliminate something there is demand for. The best you can do is to provide alternatives that minimize demand.

The best alts I can think of to minimize abortions:1) Sex Ed that focuses on contraception (and plenty of "if you don't wrap it your junk will rot" FUD imagery)2) High quality adoption services that include premium obstetric coverage3) Mother friendly workplaces. Heck, we need mother friendly colleges, with more campus childcare facilities. Too often motherhood is the end of professional development or higher education.

It is immoral to oppose abortion in a knee jerk manner. Actually, it's an asshole lifestyle to oppose abortion and not work to provide what you would find to be better options. But the better options might require work, and work is bad if you aren't getting paid. Well, maybe you farking Christians need to tithe a part of your LIFE to make things better (from your point of view).

/I'm all in favor of more abortions.//All around the world.///And free condoms everywhere.

So much this. But any time I bring any of these points up, I'm met with the cries of "Socialism!" I have my own issues with abortion, but just because I don't plan on ever having one doesn't mean I need to go about shaming another human being who feels they need one. What was that quote, don't judge until you walk a mile, something something...

Fluorescent Testicle:Mikey1969: You know, this "We can't mention another poster by name, lest it anger the ModMins" thing gets a little farking ridiculous when your thread spans over 2 pages and nobody can figure out who the fark you are talking about. Can you tell me in code? Maybe tap it out on the floor? Smoke signals? Carrier pigeons?

Oh, Cman. You can click on the usernames to follow the quotes back, you know.

jeaux65:wildcardjack: If religious people . . .Professional abortionists prevent injury from coat hangers that could result in death or infertility. Unless you want to ban wire hangers it's better for all to have professionals in this world.

You can't eliminate something there is demand for. The best you can do is to provide alternatives that minimize demand.

The best alts I can think of to minimize abortions:1) Sex Ed that focuses on contraception (and plenty of "if you don't wrap it your junk will rot" FUD imagery)2) High quality adoption services that include premium obstetric coverage3) Mother friendly workplaces. Heck, we need mother friendly colleges, with more campus childcare facilities. Too often motherhood is the end of professional development or higher education. . . .

So much this. But any time I bring any of these points up, I'm met with the cries of "Socialism!" I have my own issues with abortion, but just because I don't plan on ever having one doesn't mean I need to go about shaming another human being who feels they need one. What was that quote, don't judge until you walk a mile, something something...

More contraceptives, more sex education, more resources.

/Christian//Love the slashies.

Agreed. I'm old enough to remember pre-Roe v.Wade, dammit. And while the movie "Dirty Dancing" really sanitized it, back street abortions by butchers did occur. Hell, they're probably still occurring in places not close to protected abortion clinics.

dforkus: Places like Germany, where abortion is not only legal, but 100 percent paid for by the government have 1/3 of the number of abortions per capita than we do.

1) Have realistic sex education2) Have access to birth control3) Treat everybody like they actually matter

It's amazing what happens

BTW: Places like Zimbabwe and the Phillipenes, where abortion is criminalized, actually have higher abortion rates than we do.

Same deal here in Canada. Completely covered under out healthcare system and we have a lower rate of abortion than the US. 47,000 women died from complications due to unsafe abortion globally in 2005 and many more became sterile of seriously ill. This is what the "Pro-Life" (aka forced birther) agenda leads to.

davidphogan:ksdanj: I live in Wichita and I've lived here most of my life. I remember the "Summer of Mercy" in '92 and I remember Dr. Tiller being shot in the mid-nineties and I remember Dr. Tiller being assassinated in his church in 2009.

The reopening of this clinic is good news for those of us who would hated to have seen the Christian terrorists win.

I guarantee you that if another doctor who provides abortions in Wichita is murdered, the aftermath will play out very differently than it did in 2009. We were shocked in 2009. This time, we will be prepared.

What the fark is wrong with your state?

I'm sorry but between the WBC and this shiat it's hard to not think of everyone in that state as a backwards hick.

Abortion is a complicated subject. I have no issue with having the option available, but I do have issues with people who think it's not killing a life. Sugar-coating something like that dehumanizes the primary victim and places a bias on the decision toward abortion. Let's also stop talking about a fetus as if it is some sort of body extension, since it isn't - it's a genetically differentiated form of life, dependent on the mother. As for anti-abortion people, stop pretending that all life is sacred... it isn't. Murders, violent rapists, child molesters all deserve death. Terminally ill deserve dignity. Some children deserve to be spared a terrible life. Life isn't sacred. We used to have wars that killed thousands, hundreds of thousands... millions without concern for the "sacredness" of life.Too many people on this planet as it is... and either way, we should make informed, rational decisions without the extremist nuts trying to make those decisions for us.