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thanks guys both my bucks were 5 1/2 years old bow buck didnt score nothin cuz of bare beam on left side , rifle buck went 151 1/2 as a main frame 10 pt with kickers off both 2s and a 6 inch extra brow tine i and didnt score wifes buck. rifle buck is my second biggest ( took a 164 10 pt in 2009) may not be big deer to some people but in western ok if u can break the 145 inch mark you have done good. Reguardless of scores deffinatley been blessed with a great hunting season and a great hunting partner!!