In Response to Re: Carl Crawford: Yesterday & Today : hey genius, how would the SOX even be able to trade CRAWFISH w/o eating half his salary? "rocky raccoon went into his room only to find gideon's bible."Posted by the_yazzer

Someone else brought up trade. I simply said its not happening. Why don't you try to follow along. Or, do we have to dumb everything down for you?

The bottom line is that Crawford got off to a horrid start. he was coming out of it when he got hurt. That does not make the signing a "bust" regardless of how you spin the stats. Look at Tex. Every year he starts off bad and ends up with quality stats. This year was just the opposite. he started off well and is now in a funk. Here is a quote from the NY Daily News:

Teixeira finished June with 25 home runs and 63 RBI to go along with his .243 average, .351 on-base percentage and .541 slugging percentage.

Those numbers have dropped dramatically in July, as he is hitting .238 with no home runs and only four RBI in the first 16 games of the month. His on-base percentage is .314 and his slugging is an anemic .302, further evidence of his lack of power.

Today is July 22 and he is only hitting .243 with no HRs for the month. That sounds like Crawford's April. No one, despite the Sox having Agon, is declaring Tex a bust. Those who didn't love the Crawford signing need to relax and let the season unfold. Crawford will be fine. Those who did like the signing will be rewarded. It's coming. Those Yankee fans worried about him need to just focus on Tex coming out of his own slide.

Those who didn't love the Crawford signing need to relax and let the season unfold. Crawford will be fine. Those who did like the signing will be rewarded. It's coming. Those Yankee fans worried about him need to just focus on Tex coming out of his own slide.Posted by jimdavis

Amen Jim. While his contract is a bit much, I was thrilled when I heard that the Red Sox had signed him. Crawford will be more than fine. Patience...

How long has Crawford been back in the lineup? What is his stats for the last 30-40 games? Why not erase his April and May stats and then evaluate him? Why the impatience? Is it because you need to liven up the forum? Why not send out a general alarm for the pot stirrers?

Posted by Your-Echo

Ummm...you can't erase them because they did happen.

I know you members of the red flops nation would like to believe that April and May didn't happen, but they did.

In Response to Re: Carl Crawford: Yesterday & Today : Ummm...you can't erase them because they did happen. I know you members of the red flops nation would like to believe that April and May didn't happen, but they did.Posted by -TheBabe-------

Crawford Yesterday: Career: .441 SLG .775 OPS HR 12 RBI 71 (Crawford multi-year is this) 2010 .495 SLG .851 OPS HR 19 RBI 90 All Career highs (Theo Pd for this) Buyer: Theo Epstein 20M/base 142M guaranteed Crawford Today: 2011 .385 SLG .666 OPS HR *11 RBI *60 * projected Ellsbury Yesterday: Career .428 SLG .779 OPS HR 12 RBI 67 (Ellsbury multi-years is this) Ellsbury Today: 2011 .509 SLG .884 OPS HR*23 RBI*90 All Career highs By buying Crawford and setting the record market for this position profile, Theo has done two things: 1. Made a fool of himself for absurdly overpaying for Crawbust 2. Bid up the post FA price for the same type of profile player he will not be able to extend 3. Made a fool of himself by having to lie to the press about a serious attempt to extend Ellsbury, when, given the Crawbust bed, there is no way he will ever be given settlement authority to meet the FA demands of Boras/Ellsbury. Epstein is boxed in, completely, as the entire world knows that he could have simply passed on Crawbust to the Angels for 75% of his current base, and budgeted the same amount for a complimentary RH young OF'er and towards Ellsbury extension or FA bidding. There is zero chance Ellsbury will be with the Red Sox beyond 2013, but Theo will not tell Red Sox fans that. The comment about the extension efforts is a PR and pitiful save face false front. Henry needs to take the T-Bird away from Theo, and increase the E&O GM insurance. Once one who gave Theo the benefit of the doubt, there can be no doubt that he's worse than George Allen, DC GM. Theo should admit his mistake, internally, and get on the phone and try and capture the only chance he has to cut his loss on Crawbust. He should call Colletti and try and convince him that Ellsbury isn't Crawford, he's Ty Cobb in his prime, but the Red Sox can't afford two Crawford profiles and, for Kemp and an extension, Colleti can have Ellsbury's 2.4 and his choice of Lowrie or Middlebrooks and his choice of Hassan or Brentz and his choice of Doubrant or Weiland. Few understand that it is Agon who has made life better for those hitting near him, but the Red Sox have a gaping long term and short RH slugging OF hole that, if filled, could turn them from slight underdogs to even or slight favorites if it ends up Phillies and Red Sox. But more importantly, it would construct the OF with proper complimentary balance for years to come. Bottom line, it's obvious that Crawford makes dealing Ellsbury, now, for a RH OF slugging star, about as obvious as it can be. Epstein's savior has alway been the large number of emotionally driven Red Sox fans who like or dislike players for reasons that have nothing to do with value and fit. They are behind him 100% in buying long term on Ellsbury. Of course, that's not realistic, but it allows Theo to get a pass on simply punting on Crawbustbury and just allow the clock to run out. Smart fans, Slomag and Burrito and perhaps one or two other "hateful" thinkers, understand that calling the Dodgers for a young RF star is the only way out of the long term corner that Theo has painted Henry, Werner, Luchino and the Red Sox organization into. But, hey, Theo, call Ellsbury a core member and make it more difficult to dig out that deep driven stake broken off in your rear end. Ignorant Red Sox fans are loving it and buying the highest point, hook line and sinker, and are distracted enough to lose interest in Crawbust as a 20M Red Sox career #6 hitter. Go ahead and spend 54M for 2 years of Crawbustbury, and do a dumpster dive for some RH OF'er pipe dream. Keep telling Red Sox teenager fans that you are working hard on extending the wet dream of a poster who calls him Robin Yount's nickname, "the kid";) Heaven help you if you trade the pink and police hat doted darling for Kemp, and put Reddick in CF and a long term extended Kemp in RF. There would be a flood of tears, followed by anger and outrage! To my many kind fans on this NY Times board, I've been busy dealing with my "corpse" of clients from our 59 United States, preparing for the next federal approriation of private property to pay another year of entitlements for the aging and increasing number of indolent Wards of the State. Give The Man all the rope he asks for, so he doesn't have to choose between paying himself and the little old lady who will be forced to starve because of Big Oil, fat cats and those with no skin in the game. Mr. John Henry, keep up the good Red Sox stewardship, and tell Mr. Luchino to shorten the leash on the ape suited fantasy baseball mind. You deserve better. Posted by billbyboy

Says it all. Repeat UR fantasy enough, and you'll think it's reality.Crawbury will direct this team into October.Kemp is a skirt-chasing retirement-league stud.You are delusional and one step ahead of the white-coats.

In Response to Carl Crawford: Yesterday & Today : Says it all. Repeat UR fantasy enough, and you'll think it's reality. Crawbury will direct this team into October. Kemp is a skirt-chasing retirement-league stud. You are delusional and one step ahead of the white-coats.Posted by harness

The white-coats want nothing to do with him; a few subscribe to the Huffington Post. Perhaps the brown-shirts will take him.

Take that back; most of them were purged during the Night of the Long Knives. Purge; there's a concept he's probably fond of.

AGon will "direct this team", not Crawbustbury. As for Kemp chasing skirts, the only skirty your chasing is the jersey skirt over the Varitek hole you are chasing. Repeat that AGon will 100% stay in San Diego this spring won't come true, no matter how many times you say it.Posted by billbyboy

Sorry Law, but you're the one living in a fantasy world. There is no chatter regarding Kemp this month, and no one has inquired about his availability, at least officially.

Today is July 22 and he is only hitting .243 with no HRs for the month. That sounds like Crawford's April . Did Crawford hit a bunch of homers and RBI's in April? Of course this #3 hitter didn't. Jim, it's not about trading Crawford, which is impossible for some time to come. That's the ultimate essense of the thread. No offense, but you can't be that dim witted. I'm sure you think the economy is in recovery and hope and change just needs 4 more years to deliver utopia to the people being exploited by Exxon, fat cats and "haters". Hunter Pence is a popular trade story with Red Sox fans, for the wrong reasons. Houston isn't going to take Crawford as a hometown boy. Maybe Beckett or Lackey and a lot of cash, but not Crawford.Posted by billbyboy

No dumber words have ever been put together. I don't know what you are talking about and don't care. Ellsbury has made you look like an idiot. Deal with that.

AGon will "direct this team", not Crawbustbury. As for Kemp chasing skirts, the only skirty your chasing is the jersey skirt over the Varitek hole you are chasing. Repeat that AGon will 100% stay in San Diego this spring won't come true, no matter how many times you say it.Posted by billbyboy

When the hell are you going to wake up? AGONE this spring as nothing to do with Kemp. Nothing at all. They were priming themselves for an AGONE run. I'm betting an inside track with Hoyer had a lot to do with it getting done early. AGONE has been a target for years. Kemp is never even mentioned.

You saw a winter longshot bet with scared money and now you think anything is possible.Kemp is a retirement league stud who more often than not craps out in the post season. Tek polished two rings.