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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; So what your telling me is, a poster, who will remain nameless...because his name wasn\'t given, from another site, and the name of that site was also not given, states that a \&quot;radio talk show personality\&quot; who also happens to ...

So what your telling me is, a poster, who will remain nameless...because his name wasn\'t given, from another site, and the name of that site was also not given, states that a \"radio talk show personality\" who also happens to be well connected in NFL circles, spread a story about what had happened on the plane, and I\'m supposed to eat that???

And ask for seconds ....

I am real interested in this , already am attempting to validate what the radio personality said .

I wonder if Gandy and Riley were arguing with him about tipping the snap.

I think he may lift his foot about a half second before the snap and Riley and Gandy are getting embarrassed by speed rushers, leading to the off-sides problems.

Brooks may want to see the film for himself before he accepts blame.

That\'s the shotgun \"silent count\" signal to the center....QB lifts foot when everyone is set after any shift, and he\'s ready for the ball. Center then snaps the ball without waiting for an actual verbal command. If you notice, usually the center will be looking back between his legs like a long snapper when a team is in the shotgun until the QB gives the \"foot lift\" signal that all is ready. Then the center will lift his head to take one last look at the defensive alignment to make sure no blocking scheme changes have to be made, and then snap the ball when he\'s satisfied with the blocking scheme. The rest of the offense just has to do one simple thing....watch the ball. Of course, the tackles are usually split out pretty wide to match up with the outside rush, and they try to \"cheat\" their way back off the line (although the refs are enforcing that more now) to build in a better blocking angle for an outside speed rush, so it\'s difficult for them to actually watch the ball like the guards can do. So what they often end up doing (a little too much, if you ask me) is to use their peripheral vision to sort of rely on a \"feel\" for when everyone else starts. Which gets them in trouble when anyone along the defensive front flinches or bluffs toward the line. But the foot lift isn\'t some kind of \"tip\" the defense is picking up, like Babe Ruth sticking his tongue out of the corner of his mouth when he was going to throw his curve (when he was still a pitcher with the Red Sox)--it\'s simply a signal to the center that everyone else on the offense is ready, and it\'s up to him to initiate the snap. If the defense is starting to time the period between the foot lift and the actual snap and is getting a \"jump\" on the blockers, it\'s up to Bentley, not Brooks, to vary the timing between the signal and the snap to keep that from happening. Perhaps he\'s unwittingly fallen into a tendency to snap it on the same rhythm after the foot lift, and defenses are picking up on it. The alternative is to drop the \"silent count\" concept completely for the shotgun, and go to a verbal snap count for that formation as well...but that can cause problems when you\'re playing on the road in some of the noisier venues. It wouldn\'t have mattered last Sunday, probably...but down the road you know it would lead to burned timeouts when the line couldn\'t hear the count.

So then, what you\'re saying, is that in your opinion -- as opposed to some of our more agenda prone moderators and their defenders -- is that you don\'t think all the false starts and holding calls against the Saints last week are necessarilly all Brooks\' fault?

Neither do I. Then again, you\'d have to be willing to overlook many things if you were to blame Brooks\' alone. Some might even say, if you were to do that, that you have an agenda.

That\'s the shotgun \"silent count\" signal to the center....QB lifts foot when everyone is set after any shift, and he\'s ready for the ball. Center then snaps the ball without waiting for an actual verbal command. If you notice, usually the center will be looking back between his legs like a long snapper when a team is in the shotgun until the QB gives the \"foot lift\" signal that all is ready. Then the center will lift his head to take one last look at the defensive alignment to make sure no blocking scheme changes have to be made, and then snap the ball when he\'s satisfied with the blocking scheme. The rest of the offense just has to do one simple thing....watch the ball. Of course, the tackles are usually split out pretty wide to match up with the outside rush, and they try to \"cheat\" their way back off the line (although the refs are enforcing that more now) to build in a better blocking angle for an outside speed rush, so it\'s difficult for them to actually watch the ball like the guards can do. So what they often end up doing (a little too much, if you ask me) is to use their peripheral vision to sort of rely on a \"feel\" for when everyone else starts. Which gets them in trouble when anyone along the defensive front flinches or bluffs toward the line. But the foot lift isn\'t some kind of \"tip\" the defense is picking up, like Babe Ruth sticking his tongue out of the corner of his mouth when he was going to throw his curve (when he was still a pitcher with the Red Sox)--it\'s simply a signal to the center that everyone else on the offense is ready, and it\'s up to him to initiate the snap. If the defense is starting to time the period between the foot lift and the actual snap and is getting a \"jump\" on the blockers, it\'s up to Bentley, not Brooks, to vary the timing between the signal and the snap to keep that from happening. Perhaps he\'s unwittingly fallen into a tendency to snap it on the same rhythm after the foot lift, and defenses are picking up on it. The alternative is to drop the \"silent count\" concept completely for the shotgun, and go to a verbal snap count for that formation as well...but that can cause problems when you\'re playing on the road in some of the noisier venues. It wouldn\'t have mattered last Sunday, probably...but down the road you know it would lead to burned timeouts when the line couldn\'t hear the count.

This is what I was referring to Whodat. Me thinks you need to stop reaching in your attempt to stir up poo.

I don\'t see many agenda\'s Whodat. Typically it\'s you and 08, and 08 mostly, but you\'ve had your moments. Denying it only proves it. You can fool some of the newer folks \'round here, but I\'ve been around a bit longer.

Me. I have always tried to approach this team in a fair minded and even handed way. I\'ve managed to stay far more objective about my comments than even I thought I would. Agenda-less posting can be done and I\'m living proof.