That is an incorrect question. The correct question is. "When did laypeople stop wearing cassocks?" The cassock, at least in the West, in the clothing descendant of the tunic, which was worn underneath the toga. The toga evolved into the chasuble in the West, and the phelonion in the East.

The stocharion is the equivalent of the alb - another item of clerical clothing derived from tunics.

This website, although it's by a minister of the Disciples of Christ, it has a very good explanation of all the vestments and clericals you'll see - admittedly, it's from a Western point of view, but the Eastern equivalent vestments are treated.

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"And because they have nothing better to do, they take cushion and chairs to Rome. And while the Pope is saying liturgy, they go, 'Oh, oh, oh, filioque!' And the Pope say, 'Filioque? That-uh sound nice! I think I divide-uh the Church over it!'" - Comrade Real Presence

That is an incorrect question. The correct question is. "When did laypeople stop wearing cassocks?" The cassock, at least in the West, in the clothing descendant of the tunic, which was worn underneath the toga. The toga evolved into the chasuble in the West, and the phelonion in the East.

The stocharion is the equivalent of the alb - another item of clerical clothing derived from tunics.

This website, although it's by a minister of the Disciples of Christ, it has a very good explanation of all the vestments and clericals you'll see - admittedly, it's from a Western point of view, but the Eastern equivalent vestments are treated.

Right. But the tunic is not the cassock. There was some point in time when the cassock specifically became the cassock, specifically a clerical cassock. Just like a toga is not a chasuble.

As a point of interest: the chasuble and pheloneon derive from a riding-cloak worn by the Roman upper classes. The alb/sticharion was developed as a Christian garment, the new robe given to every newly-baptized Christian. It later became a choir vestment, then gravitated into almost exclusive clerical use as an undergarment fo the vestments worn at Liturgy.

The liturgical outer vestments were evocations of the vestments worn by the priests of Israel under the Old Covenant, but those worn by hierarchs (except for the omophorion, which bishops always had) were borrowed by permission from the Emperor, and became proprietary to bishops after the fall of the Byzantine Empire.

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That is an incorrect question. The correct question is. "When did laypeople stop wearing cassocks?" The cassock, at least in the West, in the clothing descendant of the tunic, which was worn underneath the toga. The toga evolved into the chasuble in the West, and the phelonion in the East.

The stocharion is the equivalent of the alb - another item of clerical clothing derived from tunics.

This website, although it's by a minister of the Disciples of Christ, it has a very good explanation of all the vestments and clericals you'll see - admittedly, it's from a Western point of view, but the Eastern equivalent vestments are treated.

Right. But the tunic is not the cassock. There was some point in time when the cassock specifically became the cassock, specifically a clerical cassock. Just like a toga is not a chasuble.

And I'm not an Australopithecine. Your point is?

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"And because they have nothing better to do, they take cushion and chairs to Rome. And while the Pope is saying liturgy, they go, 'Oh, oh, oh, filioque!' And the Pope say, 'Filioque? That-uh sound nice! I think I divide-uh the Church over it!'" - Comrade Real Presence

That is an incorrect question. The correct question is. "When did laypeople stop wearing cassocks?" The cassock, at least in the West, in the clothing descendant of the tunic, which was worn underneath the toga. The toga evolved into the chasuble in the West, and the phelonion in the East.

The stocharion is the equivalent of the alb - another item of clerical clothing derived from tunics.

This website, although it's by a minister of the Disciples of Christ, it has a very good explanation of all the vestments and clericals you'll see - admittedly, it's from a Western point of view, but the Eastern equivalent vestments are treated.

Right. But the tunic is not the cassock. There was some point in time when the cassock specifically became the cassock, specifically a clerical cassock. Just like a toga is not a chasuble.

but those worn by hierarchs (except for the omophorion, which bishops always had) were borrowed by permission from the Emperor, and became proprietary to bishops after the fall of the Byzantine Empire.

I think this point has been refuted before on this site. Sadly, I don't have the reference at present.

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