I pray to God that unless something so blatant is revealed that impeachment would be bipartisan that the Democrats do not seriously pursue it. Apart from the fact that using impeachment as a political tool rather than a Constitutional check is a very unwise move, they may get enough votes to get charges passed in the House, but the Senate will NEVER NEVER NEVER vote to convict and without conviction and removal, you are empowering him. They would give him a rallying cry for 2020. The Democratic Party leadership must know this. I surely hope that cooler heads in the Democratic Party prevail.

_________________You live and learn. Or at least you live. - Douglas Adams

I pray to God that unless something so blatant is revealed that impeachment would be bipartisan that the Democrats do not seriously pursue it. Apart from the fact that using impeachment as a political tool rather than a Constitutional check is a very unwise move, they may get enough votes to get charges passed in the House, but the Senate will NEVER NEVER NEVER vote to convict and without conviction and removal, you are empowering him. They would give him a rallying cry for 2020. The Democratic Party leadership must know this. I surely hope that cooler heads in the Democratic Party prevail.

Speaker Pelosi has said that the evidence will determine whether impeachment is appropriate. But I really don’t think that even at this point impeachment would be a political tool. The only issue in my mind is whether the evidence is so overwhelming that even some Republicans have to get on board. I say some Republicans because even Nixon had defenders in the Senate to the very end. —Bob

_________________"Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear." Thomas Jefferson

I pray to God that unless something so blatant is revealed that impeachment would be bipartisan that the Democrats do not seriously pursue it. Apart from the fact that using impeachment as a political tool rather than a Constitutional check is a very unwise move, they may get enough votes to get charges passed in the House, but the Senate will NEVER NEVER NEVER vote to convict and without conviction and removal, you are empowering him. They would give him a rallying cry for 2020. The Democratic Party leadership must know this. I surely hope that cooler heads in the Democratic Party prevail.

Speaker Pelosi has said that the evidence will determine whether impeachment is appropriate. But I really don’t think that even at this point impeachment would be a political tool. The only issue in my mind is whether the evidence is so overwhelming that even some Republicans have to get on board. I say some Republicans because even Nixon had defenders in the Senate to the very end. —Bob

What evidence? At this point, there are only accusations. And nothing related to whatever 'Russian Collusion' is (which is not a defined crime). No crimes high or low, or misdemeanors have been committed, unless you consider winning the election and not being a democrat a crime, which you probably do.

You don't think the dems are using impeachment as a political tool? Well, as Beebs would say: Bless your heart.

I pray to God that unless something so blatant is revealed that impeachment would be bipartisan that the Democrats do not seriously pursue it. Apart from the fact that using impeachment as a political tool rather than a Constitutional check is a very unwise move, they may get enough votes to get charges passed in the House, but the Senate will NEVER NEVER NEVER vote to convict and without conviction and removal, you are empowering him. They would give him a rallying cry for 2020. The Democratic Party leadership must know this. I surely hope that cooler heads in the Democratic Party prevail.

Speaker Pelosi has said that the evidence will determine whether impeachment is appropriate. But I really don’t think that even at this point impeachment would be a political tool. The only issue in my mind is whether the evidence is so overwhelming that even some Republicans have to get on board. I say some Republicans because even Nixon had defenders in the Senate to the very end. —Bob

What evidence? At this point, there are only accusations. And nothing related to whatever 'Russian Collusion' is (which is not a defined crime). No crimes high or low, or misdemeanors have been committed, unless you consider winning the election and not being a democrat a crime, which you probably do.

You don't think the dems are using impeachment as a political tool? Well, as Beebs would say: Bless your heart.

Nothing short of a confession and a smoking gun video will qualify as evidence in your eyes. But for those of us who aren’t blinded by Trump Fanboy Syndrome, blowing an ally’s intelligence source to the same hostile foreign government that owns him financially and helped get him elected is an awfully good start. And let’s not even start with all of the foreign policy decisions that just happen to benefit Russia’s interests.

If anyone else in the White House had done a small fraction of what we know Donny has done, Republicans in Congress would be screaming for his head. It is the everlasting shame of the Republican Party that its members are more afraid of a primary challenge than they are of what they know (and will privately admit) Donny is doing to our national interest. —Bob

_________________"Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear." Thomas Jefferson

And speaking of the level of discourse, when I was watching Speaker Pelosi get elected, I noticed that Republicans on the floor of the House singled out Rep. Ocasio-Cortez by booing her when she cast her vote. They didn’t boo anyone else and Democrats, of course, didn’t boo anyone.

What the hell was that about? Is this the start of Gamergate on the floor of the House? —Bob

_________________"Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear." Thomas Jefferson

And speaking of the level of discourse, when I was watching Speaker Pelosi get elected, I noticed that Republicans on the floor of the House singled out Rep. Ocasio-Cortez by booing her when she cast her vote. They didn’t boo anyone else and Democrats, of course, didn’t boo anyone.

What the hell was that about? Is this the start of Gamergate on the floor of the House? —Bob

Earlier this week, right wingers tried to shame Ocasio-Cortez by criticizing a video she made in college in which she and some other students were dancing around. It backfired on them badly and the original poster pulled his Twitter account. Ocasio-Cortez even followed up on it:

The right wants to turn AOC into the new Hillary since even they realize they're running out of mileage with "lock her up" and "what about the e-mail" chants. The problem is that AOC may not be politically experienced, but she's very social media savvy and knows how to give as good as they dish it out.

And speaking of the level of discourse, when I was watching Speaker Pelosi get elected, I noticed that Republicans on the floor of the House singled out Rep. Ocasio-Cortez by booing her when she cast her vote. They didn’t boo anyone else and Democrats, of course, didn’t boo anyone.

What the hell was that about? Is this the start of Gamergate on the floor of the House? —Bob

Earlier this week, right wingers tried to shame Ocasio-Cortez by criticizing a video she made in college in which she and some other students were dancing around. It backfired on them badly and the original poster pulled his Twitter account. Ocasio-Cortez even followed up on it:

The right wants to turn AOC into the new Hillary since even they realize they're running out of mileage with "lock her up" and "what about the e-mail" chants. The problem is that AOC may not be politically experienced, but she's very social media savvy and knows how to give as good as they dish it out.

Oh my word. Can't believe the deflection or ...it just isn't worth it. Really. Dudes, you don't have any chance with her. You're old. She's young and the most popular idiot du jour. Give it up.

Republican hypocrisy at its finest: saying that Trump admitting to sexual assault on tape is just “locker room talk,” but scandalizing themselves into faux-outrage when my sis says a curse word in a bar.

And speaking of the level of discourse, when I was watching Speaker Pelosi get elected, I noticed that Republicans on the floor of the House singled out Rep. Ocasio-Cortez by booing her when she cast her vote. They didn’t boo anyone else and Democrats, of course, didn’t boo anyone.

What the hell was that about? Is this the start of Gamergate on the floor of the House? —Bob

Earlier this week, right wingers tried to shame Ocasio-Cortez by criticizing a video she made in college in which she and some other students were dancing around. It backfired on them badly and the original poster pulled his Twitter account. Ocasio-Cortez even followed up on it:

The right wants to turn AOC into the new Hillary since even they realize they're running out of mileage with "lock her up" and "what about the e-mail" chants. The problem is that AOC may not be politically experienced, but she's very social media savvy and knows how to give as good as they dish it out.

Oh my word. Can't believe the deflection or ...it just isn't worth it. Really. Dudes, you don't have any chance with her. You're old. She's young and the most popular idiot du jour. Give it up.

What deflection? You seem concerned about Rep. Tlaib’s breach of decorum when talking to her constituents but strikingly unconcerned about the breach of decorum committed by a pretty big fraction of the House Republican Caucus on the floor of the House. —Bob

_________________"Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear." Thomas Jefferson

You just CANNOT blast the opposition for employing crude rhetoric and behavior and turn around and do the same. As my dear departed mother used to say, "If (insert name of idiotic friend here) jumped off the Empire State Building, does that mean you would, too?".

So now we have a bit of power back...too many Dems have revenge on their minds, and instead of taking things patiently and rationally, they seem intent on going in half-assed and not fully armed. It blows my mind that with everything that HAS come out, Trump apologists are still insisting that 2 + 2 doesn't necessarily add up to 4. But, as our teachers used to say, in solving the problem, the work needs to be shown. Believe me, I'd love to see the jackass out of there, but rushing into a war armed with pea shooters ain't gonna do it. And it will backfire big time without significant ammunition, resulting in seeing our fearless leader taking that oath for another 4 years.

And while, you're at it, Dems, find a viable candidate. NOT one of the usual suspects. NOT one of the old guard. NOT someone easily ridiculed. Someone young, energetic, and focused on positive messages. And CERTAINLY do not take for granted that there is enough Trump backlash to be denied a second term. Remember that nobody thought he'd get a FIRST term. Those who do not learn from history, etc. etc.

Gather up all the ammunition available..and I believe it's there..and THEN take appropriate action. Be the tortoise, and not the hare, and it's likely the race will be won.

And remember, as Khan told Kirk, "Revenge is a dish best served cold"....

You just CANNOT blast the opposition for employing crude rhetoric and behavior and turn around and do the same. As my dear departed mother used to say, "If (insert name of idiotic friend here) jumped off the Empire State Building, does that mean you would, too?".

So now we have a bit of power back...too many Dems have revenge on their minds, and instead of taking things patiently and rationally, they seem intent on going in half-assed and not fully armed. It blows my mind that with everything that HAS come out, Trump apologists are still insisting that 2 + 2 doesn't necessarily add up to 4. But, as our teachers used to say, in solving the problem, the work needs to be shown. Believe me, I'd love to see the jackass out of there, but rushing into a war armed with pea shooters ain't gonna do it. And it will backfire big time without significant ammunition, resulting in seeing our fearless leader taking that oath for another 4 years.

And while, you're at it, Dems, find a viable candidate. NOT one of the usual suspects. NOT one of the old guard. NOT someone easily ridiculed. Someone young, energetic, and focused on positive messages. And CERTAINLY do not take for granted that there is enough Trump backlash to be denied a second term. Remember that nobody thought he'd get a FIRST term. Those who do not learn from history, etc. etc.

Gather up all the ammunition available..and I believe it's there..and THEN take appropriate action. Be the tortoise, and not the hare, and it's likely the race will be won.

And remember, as Khan told Kirk, "Revenge is a dish best served cold"....

You just CANNOT blast the opposition for employing crude rhetoric and behavior and turn around and do the same. As my dear departed mother used to say, "If (insert name of idiotic friend here) jumped off the Empire State Building, does that mean you would, too?".

So now we have a bit of power back...too many Dems have revenge on their minds, and instead of taking things patiently and rationally, they seem intent on going in half-assed and not fully armed. It blows my mind that with everything that HAS come out, Trump apologists are still insisting that 2 + 2 doesn't necessarily add up to 4. But, as our teachers used to say, in solving the problem, the work needs to be shown. Believe me, I'd love to see the jackass out of there, but rushing into a war armed with pea shooters ain't gonna do it. And it will backfire big time without significant ammunition, resulting in seeing our fearless leader taking that oath for another 4 years.

And while, you're at it, Dems, find a viable candidate. NOT one of the usual suspects. NOT one of the old guard. NOT someone easily ridiculed. Someone young, energetic, and focused on positive messages. And CERTAINLY do not take for granted that there is enough Trump backlash to be denied a second term. Remember that nobody thought he'd get a FIRST term. Those who do not learn from history, etc. etc.

Gather up all the ammunition available..and I believe it's there..and THEN take appropriate action. Be the tortoise, and not the hare, and it's likely the race will be won.

And remember, as Khan told Kirk, "Revenge is a dish best served cold"....

What he said

_________________You live and learn. Or at least you live. - Douglas Adams

You just CANNOT blast the opposition for employing crude rhetoric and behavior and turn around and do the same. As my dear departed mother used to say, "If (insert name of idiotic friend here) jumped off the Empire State Building, does that mean you would, too?".

So now we have a bit of power back...too many Dems have revenge on their minds, and instead of taking things patiently and rationally, they seem intent on going in half-assed and not fully armed. It blows my mind that with everything that HAS come out, Trump apologists are still insisting that 2 + 2 doesn't necessarily add up to 4. But, as our teachers used to say, in solving the problem, the work needs to be shown. Believe me, I'd love to see the jackass out of there, but rushing into a war armed with pea shooters ain't gonna do it. And it will backfire big time without significant ammunition, resulting in seeing our fearless leader taking that oath for another 4 years.

And while, you're at it, Dems, find a viable candidate. NOT one of the usual suspects. NOT one of the old guard. NOT someone easily ridiculed. Someone young, energetic, and focused on positive messages. And CERTAINLY do not take for granted that there is enough Trump backlash to be denied a second term. Remember that nobody thought he'd get a FIRST term. Those who do not learn from history, etc. etc.

Gather up all the ammunition available..and I believe it's there..and THEN take appropriate action. Be the tortoise, and not the hare, and it's likely the race will be won.

And remember, as Khan told Kirk, "Revenge is a dish best served cold"....

The main problem for the lunatic dems is that even if they do find credible evidence of some offense that trump himself committed, they have already blown their credibility. Very few will believe them. People like bob-tel were already screaming 'IMPEACH' before he was even inaugurated. And they have now gotten control of the House by electing even more of their lunatic fringe. I would be happy to vote for a democrat if they can find someone to run for President that actually respects people who disagree with them, instead of demonizing them. But no one I have seen comes even close to fitting that bill.

The main problem for the lunatic dems is that even if they do find credible evidence of some offense that trump himself committed, they have already blown their credibility. Very few will believe them.

No, what you mean is that very few of the hardcore Trump supporters and apologists will believe them because they've been fed a steady dose of "no collusion" and "fake news." There's plenty of evidence out there; you just choose to ignore it. And Mueller is not in the business of conducting a media circus to impress hardcore Trump supporters; he's gathering evidence for indictments and convictions, of which he has gotten quite a few already.

flockofseagulls104 wrote:

I would be happy to vote for a democrat if they can find someone to run for President that actually respects people who disagree with them, instead of demonizing them. But no one I have seen comes even close to fitting that bill.

The main problem for the lunatic dems is that even if they do find credible evidence of some offense that trump himself committed, they have already blown their credibility. Very few will believe them.

No, what you mean is that very few of the hardcore Trump supporters and apologists will believe them because they've been fed a steady dose of "no collusion" and "fake news." There's plenty of evidence out there; you just choose to ignore it. And Mueller is not in the business of conducting a media circus to impress hardcore Trump supporters; he's gathering evidence for indictments and convictions, of which he has gotten quite a few already.

flockofseagulls104 wrote:

I would be happy to vote for a democrat if they can find someone to run for President that actually respects people who disagree with them, instead of demonizing them. But no one I have seen comes even close to fitting that bill.

I'm curious how close Donald Trump comes to fitting that bill.

Yes, we've been fed a steady diet of anti-trump hysteria from the MSM and your bat-phone sources. From day -60. As I've said MANY MANY MANY times before on groundhog day, I have not voted for trump either in primaries or for president. I will gladly vote for anyone, dem or rep, who is not a lunatic who will not further split the country into two factions and demonize the one that they don't agree with.