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Wednesday, July 16, 2008

Do you ever think about the point inside the point inside the point inside the point? What I mean is how connections that seem to be one issue can be gathered together to be the same issue but with an entirely different perspective? I guess I’m talking about intentional enigmas; convolutions, shell games, ironies, conundrums and more things than I can recall at the moment.

I’m talking about Naalin in Palestine. People live there. Yes, they are people. Human beings like you and me, trying to survive. It’s odd... sometimes I wonder why people try to survive when everyone wants them to be dead. Is life all that great? For some people it isn’t. My life is not nearly as troubled as the lives of these people and I would rather not be here but I am. Why even bother to live in a world like this? Well, that’s life.

Naalin is in trouble and that is one point. Inside that point is another point that, so forth and so on ... maybe I won’t have to say this again; coming back to the point.

What’s wrong with this picture? Here are a people who have been living somewhere for centuries. One day some big dogs walked into the yard and started to kick them out. They wouldn’t go away. No matter how many of them died. No matter how deplorable the conditions in which they lived, they would not go away.

There are between 1.5 and 2.0 million Sephardic Jews. There is somewhere between 8 and 11 million Ashkenazi Jews. The Sephardic Jews are Semitic and the Ashkenazi Jews are not. There weren’t any Ashkenazi Jews when The Bible was written. In the ninth century, the Khazar’s converted to Judaism. Depending on whom you listen to one is descended from the other, or not.

We are told that in World War Two, six million Jews were executed by the Nazi’s. This becomes problematic when weighted against official Red Cross numbers. This becomes even more problematic when the death count at Auschwitz has been lowered by millions over time but somehow, six million were still executed. I’m not a mathematician but I can tell that something doesn’t add up.

Anyone who questions these numbers is subject to opprobrium and even imprisonment, even though the numbers themselves have been changed by the very people they were supposed to have happened to, as can be seen at the Auschwitz gate or by researching. At the same time, anyone who questions what has happened to the Palestinians at the hands of these same people is ignored, even as the condition of these people is ignored by the general public and it is happening right now which I guess is not the same as, “Never again.”

This event, termed “The Holocaust” was used as the reason to give a part of that land called Palestine to surviving Jews as a homeland. Apparently some accommodations had been made for The Palestinians who were already there and had been since long, long ago.

Quite promptly these new emigrants began to drive the former residents from their land. I would need a few more lifetimes to catalogue what followed and you wouldn’t be around to read it. But you can find the details; even with the population of the towns being purged and the names changed, the evidence is still there.

People were getting along, more or less (as people do) before this happened. People are not getting along now. As a matter of fact, the new Israelis are now treating the Palestinians the same way that the Nazi’s treated the Jews. Let’s add some irony and say, “Go figure”.

I’m going to leave all of this for wiser minds to decide... go back to the map and take a good look and tell me why this is okay. Explain to me why it is okay for this to be happening. Keep in mind that many of the problems which exist in the entire region are tied to this, are justified by this and have their genesis in this and that the reason for the problems is that there are a lot of powerful lies that... no matter how artful may be the attempt... cannot be transubstantiated into truth. Keep in mind that 9/11 was because of this whether you accept the official line or the scientific postulate. Keep in mind that it seems to have something to do with God; who God is, what God is, which God is and God is not answering the phone, which is probably why it turned into a business deal where truth gets bought and sold only... only...

You can’t buy or sell the truth. You can only buy and sell a lie.

However... in present time... people are suffering and dying because somebody doesn’t want them to be where they used to be and the world is having tea and talking about soccer and sex. Do you not find this odd? I do. I have spent some amount of time weighing all of the variables and I don’t get it. There is enough for everyone. There is room for everyone but... not if some people have to have more than they can possibly use. As Lao Tzu put it, “What sort of men are these, who never hunger, never thirst, yet eat and drink until they burst?”

Why is it that so few of us care about what is happening when everyone will eventually suffer because of it? Or do people think that this won’t come back on them? It’s not their problem? Then why is The Holocaust their problem? Something funny is going on. Why should something that’s been over for sixty years be so much more important than the same thing happening to someone else at the hands of the people it happened to sixty years ago?

I do not know what to make of this. The people of Naalin do not know what to make of this. Meanwhile, the people of the richest country in the world are living under increasingly fascist rule because of an attack launched on them, in part, by these same people in order to make possible an attack on the entire Middle East. At the same time, their economy is collapsing and they are watching movies, playing video games and bellying up to the vanishing buffet. It makes my head swim.

This I do know. One day you will be in Naalin and no one will pay attention.

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The more I look at how evil is sewn together, the more I conclude that the Rothschilds are the tailors. They established Israel, and they control the banks of the West. This immobilizes anyone - politician or otherwise to do anything about the Palestinians without jeopardizing his/her own self and/or country. It also gives them endless authority to make others do their bidding. They're the enemy of humanity.

It's not incredible that the Govt of the United States has branded as terrorists and sympathizers; anyone who works actively for or on behalf of the Palestinians. It is by design.

As for who and what God is, and what he is or isn't doing...he sure doesn't seem to be talking to his millions of "Christ-ian" followers in the U.S. I'm more inclined to accept the god of Thomas Payne or Albert Einstein. Hell, maybe even George Carlin's god (the sun), before ever accepting the god of Christianity or Talmudic Judaism because he rather seems to relish fear and anguish. This blind acceptance by Christians (sic) is the biggest obstacle faced by those who would spread truth. You see, these christ-ians overwhelmingly believe that the "chosen of god" can do no wrong. Throughout the old testament God "smote" the Israeli's for violating his law... what makes things any different now?!?! this issue drives me absolutely nuts. I'm reminded of the words of Thomas Jefferson who implored his fellow man to: "Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear." Unfortunately, WE THE PEOPLE, who have become so remiss in our duties as a nation, are also remiss in our duties as students of faith, and that same; as human beings in general. Yes, visible, one day we will too will be in Naalin (FEMA camps) and no one will give a shit.

"I have copied my question for Professor Lipstadt – “Can you provide the name, with proof, of one person who was killed in a gas chamber at Auschwitz?” to several hundred professors of history and journalism at Emory University, The University of Georgia and Columbia University. I also sent it to the campus and off-campus press around those campuses. So far, no significant reply. I’m very disappointed, but I understand that my question threatens to undermine the “product” these folk have been marketing and/or buying this last half century and more, so I understand their reticence before the matter."

Les, after a hiatus from the internet, I am glad to see you are making the most lucid points anywhere to be found on the net.

Let me start off by saying this about the Holocaust: whether or not you are a fan of the Israeli power elite, millions were murdered. In deciphering information from the German SS--always sticklers for keeping perfect records--to say otherwise would be an exercise in revisionism. Perhaps a more salient point would be, what about the other 5 million people of varying ethnicity and religious and personal persuasions who met their deaths in those camps? Who speaks for them? I've come to view the Israelis who harp on the Holocaust much like blacks who feel there is some call for recompense for slavery in this country. In essence, a crime against humanity was committed, but does it gave a race the right to wear it as a badge?

That said, your comments about Naalin seem to be representative of all peoples, aren't they? Isn't the old comment that "your perception is your reality" true in the case of all people, whether it be Naalin or Americans who are caught in the trap of soaring inflation? Isn't the idea to "keep on keeping on" a true human trait, that there are things going on above us that we cannot control? And regardless of one's religion, don't all believers feel that their responsibility is to God and He alone will punish the oppressors?

Les, I am glad I have found you again. It seems I have some catching up to do.

Whether America or someplace else, a lot of people are going to be in some serious trouble this winter.

“I don’t know what to make of this………………………………..At the same time their economy is collapsing and they are watching movies, playing video games, and belling up to the vanishing buffet.”

Maybe I can help. I’m sure you are familiar with chemtrails. When you have some time try this experiment. First brush your teeth real well and rinse your mouth several times. Then mix one tablespoon of hydrogen peroxide 3% and two tablespoons of red wine. Swirl it vigorously in your mouth for five minutes then spit it out into a dinner plate. You will be shocked at what you find. Very fine fibers sometimes over two inches long. These fibers are elastic and behave in a strange way. Play with them with a toothpick. Are they spraying nano particles, which have the ability to join in the human body? It is speculated that these fibers might be miniature antenna, which are receptive to HARP micro radiation. Can they exert control over people’s mind, emotions, behavior? Make them docile. Could this be why people watch while “their economy collapses.” The shadow government has technology fifty years advanced to what is currently in use. Does all this sound unbelievable? J Edgar Hoover once said, “the average person is at a distinct disadvantage when he comes face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous he can’t believe it exists.”

Good to see you again Iron Man. Yes, I am aware of all those arguments. At the same time I do not deny the deaths Jews in Germany and elsewhere. I was merely pointing out that the number six million was based on the original Auschwitz numbers which they lowered by several million over the years but never changed the original figure.

It wasn't the main point of my argument anyway, nor did I include the many millions more that Zionists were responsible for in Russia and elsewhere. Each post has it's own way to go.

No, I understand your point quite clearly, Les. This post dovetails quite nicely upon your insightful comments about the media. Someday, someone, somewhere...someone with the ability to think clearly and with enough patience to seek honest answers...will come up with an answer to this question: how did media become so big and powerful that the world's populace decided to allow it to do its collective thinking for them???In line with this, how did the power elite gain such a stranglehold that it pushed its agenda into "news reporting" so as to influence (read, brainwash) the masses???I understand your points quite clearly. How is Naalin allowed to be diminished? How does the world ignore what a bully continues to push forward? Doesn't anyone notice the actions of this bully, and doesn't anyone else see the correlation that, just like a child who goes about his threats in a cavalier manner, some bigger, stronger kid "must have his back."

No. No one notices. No one cares.

The world is increasingly a place where those with the money and influence call the shots. Common sense is cast aside in favor of political aims. The poor and the innocent get slaughtered.

How does one claim such a thing to be the "will of God." Not my God...not most Gods. Such people are worshiping the golden calf, and nothing more.

41 years of occupation in the west bank and gaza, 60 years of occupation inside occupied palestine (israel) 111 years of the Basel conference, 126 years to the first Aliyah, 60 years of refugees crisis. And now a new trend of protests, a peace protests style, not much stone throwers (if not any at all) no one attacking soldiers and thats unacceptable by the Zionist, so they decide to piss off the people in Nil'in, my prayers go to my brothers and sisters for their patience, and i hope they remain more patient, and if it escalates anymore, i hope they take action and teach the Zionists a lesson they will not forget weather with or without violence.Occupation is a crime, and importing people from Europe on daily bases isn't going to cover it up, and deporting Arabs from their homes and locking them up in ghettos won't cover it up either, and people like Jimmy Carter do not know the history of the conflict, one state two states its not possible, end Zionism then its possible. Noam Chomsky is the best, why?

He was mentioned in the latest Osama bin Laden tape, and he was mentioned by President Chavez.

Other than that this is just pushing to the third intifada that will bring more deaths more destruction more pain more suffering and will involve the hostages (Arabs inside Israel) but lets avoid that. And read this for example and have faith:(I think you should show this link):http://www.islamonline.net/English/News/2003-08/03/article03.shtml

Iron Man. You know there is a God and I know there is a God and I'm assuming that you know that there is only one God with different names and outfits because God accommodates his/herself to the seeker according to the disposition, according to the ray. One mountain many paths lead up. From the top you can see all the ways down.

Samer thank you for coming. I see the usual suspects are around; Fud, Annemarie, NotaMobster... others are lurking. Tony is in the vicinity. Bruce, I hope you are taking your medication which, the last time I checked, was Blackberry Tea...

What to do

Because it's coming

what to do

Oh Well

Be human, be yourself we are all the same person helping somebody else. We don't need a card or a name or a number, just an opportunity.

God's wind is in our sails and we sail his wide dreaming sea.

No one who is close to the source need ever be alarmed.

Some of the bad guys know who the good guys are and what is inside of them. As long as the good guys know this too, ignorance will have itself for lunch and Joy and Power will rule the hour.

The war is about souls. It isn't about anything else. "In the twinkling of an eye." it is said.

I'm good to go. I'm good to stay and I bid you all a fine, fine day and a blissful dreaming sleep.

Well, we're in the midst of a whirlwind. So many thing happening, and then the prospect of more war, depression, and possibly scarier stuff. I still have a roof over our heads and supper is a definite possibility tonight. But, I can't explain to my family what's going on. I can't let on completely what I suspect is coming down the pike. You got to keep family functioning! I'm scared! Real scared. Something big is happening. It's like the tide has gone way out--too far out. And you're standing there thinking where has all the water gone? Then it dawns on you and your so scarred you can't run, you can't think. But you know what's coming!

The terrible things that are coming, I can make a good guess, but whatever I imagine, I'm sure the elites are thinking along the lines of extinction. 911 was the launch point made possible by all the insufferable lies, deceits and savagery we indolently tolerated before that. They've started to cull the herd. That's us! I am so certain of this, I can barely breathe at times. You bet I'm scared. I've got family and what's coming is so big I don't know what to do. You see, like you I'm in the whirlwind now being swept away from everything I love.

Good one Les, getting to the crux of the matter will likley mean that some of your "good" sites will neglect to link to this story least it offends the clients. Perhaps you could look into why the 6 million is such a 'holy' number of killed jews. The new isreal is a faked creation made to try and fullfill professies that it is the city of god but the problem is that the 6 million deaths has not YET happened and so the zionists are causing it to happen by making israel the complete and utter anti-christ abode that will be melted in the furnace because of their wickedness. This melting to come is no doubt causing a great fear in them so that they think it will come from Irans non existant nukes.Those in israel that can see the light of truth should abandon that den of whores and adulterers and satan worshiping prideful demons.Those who blame christianity are barking up the wrong tree for those who worship capitalist greed are not christians they have stolen that cloak to hide their evil.

Your last posting here seems to come full circle from a Catholic perspective Les, although I am not sure this is what you would have intended. For years, I've heard countless prognosticators talk about end times and the Apocalypse being upon us. Israel as you know is a lynch pin of such talk.I had always scoffed at such talk. I defy anyone to come up with some understanding of "time" within a biblical framework, and as always, the dual commentary about Christ's return coming "like a thief in the night" and the exhortation to be vigilant of such events as we see now only served to confuse me.

I'm not pushing religion upon you or anyone else in this regard. Such choices are your own. Yet, wouldn't it seem that what we have seen in the past few years--indeed, the Bush years--seem to illustrate what one reads in Apocalypse as being already here.

Natural disasters, disease, pestilence, iron-handed governments imposing their will on the defenseless. You say what I feel--something is coming.You say the war is about souls. Yet so many are fighting in the wrong field.

God, at least to me, is all about love, hope, faith and forgiveness. And that is on a personal level. I'm not sure what has happened in places like Rwanda and to a lesser extent, Naalin, are things which an average man can prevent. As in past postings, you and I may differ in religious connotations and such, but more along the lines of what men can do in the face of extreme power.

In that regard, notamobster's distortions are all too common. Einstein went to his grave as a believer, having tried for years to disprove there was a God to begin with. The Old Testament God and the New Testament God differ in connotation--a God who is angered by the evil of sin versus a God who is forgiving. And the idea that God should intervene in perceived injustices...the age old question.

I'm a Christian...a Catholic...with no apologies. My faith has only gotten stronger as I became more educated. You see, nothing here simply came into existence by itself and as such, our lifetimes on this spinning planet of love just can't be it. There must be some other level, and there must be something to the idea that existence here is a "proving ground" for the hereafter.

You can believe what you like. You can twist what you don't understand.You will forgive me for laughing at the idea of being a "student of faith". The redundancy of such a comment is hilarious.

I fully agree, particularly with the last sentence. What they experience we all will one day. These parasites have big plans.

The disgusting main media of course ignores all of this. Only yesterday I heard the disgusting BBC talk about the recent prisoners exchange as if all the problems of Lebanon are due to the Lebanese. Poor little Israel was as always portrayed as the victim. If only those nasty Arabs would be reasonable, went the disgusting BBC line, peace would blossom in the middle east.

The people of Naalin are already dead or dispossessed. Their biggest problem is not the Israelis, but world apathy and the Zionist controlled media which keeps the world apathetic, disinterested and obsessed with Paris Hilton/Britney/Madonna's latest stunt.

At this time in our history we are living through evil times, ruled by evil men who have big ideas for us all, but who most people do not even know exist. We are in serious trouble, and those of us who know this feel as if we are living in a bad dream, surrounded by dozing complacent zombies.

We have to engage these creatures in the real world, typing aint gonna do it.

A little karma here, a little karma there, pretty soon we're talking about some major remuneration... some major payback.

Pick your homily. Pull it out of the air, or blindly open any page of the Bible/Koran/Talmud. Go ahead. Can you possibly find in ANY "religious" Canon justification for what's been viciously afflicted on the innocent worldwide, let alone the mini-Armageddons daily crushing the "least of these" ? Can you?!

This low, creepy, slimy and discordantly cacophonous din, so many of our specie call justification, deserves no place in any corner of Creation. Eric Fromm (the Wise) gleaned all the mumbo-jumbo jive down into two very distinct categories: biophilia vs necrophilia (the love of life vs the love of death). This is our choice, and it is obvious which choices are being made and by whom.

There's enough necrophilia on this planet to sink a solar system, or perhaps even a galaxy.

Viz, when I read the intervals between your words, I don't sense antisemitism, anti-Israel, anti (fill in the blank), I sense that you are anti-necrophilia, and pro-biophilia (pro-life, even if the bastards have co-opted that term). Pick your region, your country, your neighborhood; the powers of death continue their scourge. But not for trying, they will not leave yours sated and stuffed.

Hi, Les I am a big fan of this site having being introduced through "Truth Seeker". I would just like to say that the 'World' and Palestine are being held to ransom by this Insidious creation called Israel, I am Irish and the British attempted GENOCIDE many times i.e. the Plantations, the Famine, to name but two, my point is we now can co-exist (establishment to establishment) without bandying about the figures involved in the atrocities that were visited on my forefathers. The "you have to believe" Israeli lies camp should try to get over themselves, the Death toll during the MADNESS which was WW11, is the only figure of interest to any feeling "Human Being" it was diabolical for all.I also would to point out I served in the Irish Army and was with UNIFIL in the 80's and witnessed the IDF and IAF in action and can assure all readers these people were capable of cruelty I could not understand.Sorry if this may seem disjointed rambling, but I'm new to posting, and if I'm permitted, hopefully any future post will be a bit more coherent.

IRON MAN *** PLEASE SEE THE FOLLOWING EXCERPT FROM DR RAY BRADLEY; PROF EMERITUS, PHILOSOPHY, SIMON FRASER INIVERSITY(PLEASE NOTE THE (INSET) SEVERAL QUOTES FROM EINSTEIN'S OWN MOUTH, OR MAYBE YOU'D RATHER I JUST "BELIEVE YOU") I SEPARATED MY WORDS BY USING ALL CAPS. I APOLOGIZE TO ALL IF IT IS OFFENSIVE TO THE EYE.***********************************

Pantheists believe that nature itself deserves to be called "God" since nature itself deserves our feelings of reverence and awe. For the pantheist, nothing is more worthy of reverence, or even worship, than the awesome power and beauty of the cosmos itself.

Pantheism caters to the emotional need that many people feel for so-called "spiritual (as opposed to materialistic) values", a need to value something beyond themselves or even the human race.

Pantheism has a long and distinguished history. It has included several philosophers such as the seventeenth century philosopher Baruch Spinoza. Certain versions of Taoism are pantheistic. So is Therevada Buddhism. As Einstein pointed out:

"[Therevada] Buddhism has the characteristics of what would be expected in a cosmic religion for the future: it transcends a personal God, avoids dogmas and theology; it covers both the natural and spiritual, and it is based on a religious sense arising from the experience of all things, natural and spiritual, as a meaningful unity. "

Einstein himself, it turns out, was a pantheist. In his own words:

"A knowledge of the existence of something we cannot penetrate, of the manifestation of the profoundest reason and the most radiant beauty - it is this knowledge and this emotion that constitute the truly religious attitude; in this sense, and in this sense alone, I am a deeply religious man."

"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."

Clearly, Einstein's "God" is not at all like the God that most people think of when they hear the word. Neither is the "God" of the famous cosmologist and mathematician, Stephen Hawking, whose talk of "the mind of God" has given comfort to many religious believers. Hawking also is a pantheist. When asked by CNN's Larry King whether he believed in God, Hawking answered:

Yes, if by God is meant the embodiment of the laws of the universe.

We began by asking "Did Einstein believe in God?" The answer, as Hawking pointed out, depends on what you mean by "God". In one sense (the Pantheist sense), Einstein did believe in God. But in another sense he didn't. Indeed, except for his deciding to use the term "God" in a way that is unfamiliar to most people, his views are indistinguishable from those of someone who is an unabashed atheist.

***********************************WITH THAT STATED, I TAKE TO THE HILLARITY OF MY WORDS "STUDENT OF FAITH". WHEN ONE ENGAGES IN STUDIES, HE IS CALLED A STUDENT...STAY WITH ME HERE...IF SAID STUDENT WAS TO STUDY VARIOUS FAITHS (AS I AND SEVERAL CLOSE TO ME DO, AND HAVE FOR MANY YEARS) THAT STUDENT COULD QUITE LITERALLY BE CALLED A 'STUDENT OF FAITH'. [THIS IS ACTUALLY A TERM I STOLE FROM A BURNED OUT OLD GENIUS I KNEW SEVERAL YEARS AGO CALLED "COWBOY"] I DO APOLOGIZE IF THIS SOUNDS AT ALL CONDESCENDING, BUT I GET UPSET WITH THE ASSERTION THAT MY WORDS WERE "DISTORTIONS". I UNDERSTAND VERY WELL, THE HISTORY OF CHRISTIANITY, THE VARIOUS DENOMINATIONS (CATHOLIC,NON-DENOMINATIONAL, BAPTIST, GNOSTIC, MORMON, ETC)AND MANY WORLD RELIGIONS AS I HAVE BEEN FOR MANY YEARS, A 'STUDENT OF FAITH'. I DON'T BEGRUDGE ANY MAN, HIS FAITH. MY REPEATED REFERENCE TO CHRIST-IANS WAS AND IRONIC PLAY ON THE WORD, WHICH RESULTED FROM MY YEARS OF OBSERVATION OF THE BEHAVIORS OF THOSE WHO WOULD FASHION THEMSELVES AS "CHRIST LIKE" WHICH IS THE DEFINITION OF "CHRISTIAN-ITY"...TO BE OF OR LIKE CHRIST. I HAVE SEEN OTHERWISE SENTIENT, HONEST, GOD-LOVING, WONDERFUL CHRISTIANS TURN RABID AT THE MERE MENTION THAT PALESTINIANS HAVE A RIGHT TO EXIST ON THEIR LAND. I HAVE WATCHED IN HORROR FOR YEARS AS MANY SO-CALLED CHRIST-IANS HAVE SCREAMED FOR THE BLOOD OF MUSLIMS AROUND THE WORLD. I AM THOROUGHLY CONVINCED THAT MOST WOULDN'T CARE IF THE ENTIRE MIDDLE EAST WAS LAID-WASTE AT THE BLUDGEON OF NUCLEAR WAR. I SEE AND HEAR THIS ALMOST DAILY. THESE BEHAVIORS ARE NOT CHRIST LIKE! THESE SENTIMENTS ARE DEPLORABLE.

I suspect that that's Russian for 'Don't mention it' signed by Mr Putin. Onya Vlad!

Hey Eoin, whatever stories you have re UNIFIL, I for one am all ears. I don't know if it's Les' kettle but if you drop into churchofnobody I might put it up. No promises or anything. I mostly just want to hear what you've got to say.

Ahh, the laws of the universe put our planet and it's objects 'us' into perspective. Perpetual is all that exists and the change of state is what allows this to keep motion what it is "perpetual"...

My point folks is; no one is going to get away with anything at the end of the day!!!

http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr161/lect/history/newton3laws.html

Understanding of the Universe

I. Every object in a state of uniform motion tends to remain in that state of motion unless an external force is applied to it.

II. The relationship between an object's mass m, its acceleration a, and the applied force F is F = ma. Acceleration and force are vectors (as indicated by their symbols being displayed in slant bold font); in this law the direction of the force vector is the same as the direction of the acceleration vector.

notamobster, thanks for that. This is why I come here, every now and then, someone bumps up the intelligence level by 20 leaps forward. I've been looking, well, not exactly searching, but somewhat concerned, if there were others who shared these concepts because, you know, when articulating the way it IS usually brings on intense opposition. It appears that most of humanity requires the idea they are something special by division, belonging within a certain nationality for example, or holding membership within some religious belief cult, or in possession of ethnocentric physical characteristics, even age groups and numeric credit ratings. They need these walls and go to astounding lengths to defend them. Why this is, is kind of mysterious and they are so perfectly accomodated, now more than ever with the silly lists and micro-macrochips. In a way, its flattering to discover what brilliant minds are in my division, except there really isn't any division, there is only insight. We are all connected. Everything is connected. All of us from the same source, all of us on a brief journey recycling in this form until we further biodegrade into another form of recyclable matter. Terms such as "birth" and "death" are mortar for these walls. We could even come to find, someday, those terms were coined to insure authority as in the birthright of heirs to the throne. There is existing proof througout recorded history we've often been ruled by psycopaths and morons. Seriously, its got to be fear of the ongoing processes - all around us at all times - that keeps these walls intact.

What's there to fear?

Everything that is wrong with humanity is rooted in this superficial separation.

In response to Not a Mobster....Who GOD is or GOD isn't...I too do not know, but what I do know is "there is one" and where the devil is, "GOD isn't".

You have researched religions, then you must know ....The devil is the master of religions. He invented them all, including Christianity. His influence is in every corner of every religion in the world.

Only in the United States, can so much of the world be found, than in the Protestant Churches of America. Christ didn't leave or build a Church or a religion for "WE ARE THE CHURCH".

The greatest deceit " Satan, who deceiveth the WHOLE WORLD" could have accomplished in this world is ...being the hidden author of the WORD of GOD. Evil doesn't respect or acknowledge GOD if they don't believe or know there isn't one and evil runs rampant throughout the world today.

THERE IS A GOD AND HE SPEAKS TO US THROUGH THE SPIRIT OF OUR SOULS AND ONCE WE EXPERIENCE THIS, WE KNOW THIS TO BE THE "TRUTH" AND WE KNOW THIS "TRUTH" TO COME FROM GOD.

If it wasn't for this "TRUTH" there would be no TRUTH in this world today. GOD cannot be deceived, only those who do not believe in GOD can.

And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the WHOLE WORLD; he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

notamobster, I don't take the tone of your posting as being condescending and unfortunately once again, you have chosen to pick bits and pieces of Einstein's views on religion to suit your needs. I don't wish to stray too far from Les' comments, but since you have deemed it necessary to again misrepresent....

This interview came via The Saturday Evening Post in 1929:

"To what extent are you influenced by Christianity?"

"As a child I received instruction both in the Bible and in the Talmud. I am a Jew, but I am enthralled by the luminous figure of the Nazarene."

"Have you read Emil Ludwig's book on Jesus?"

"Emil Ludwig's Jesus is shallow. Jesus is too colossal for the pen of phrasemongers, however artful. No man can dispose of Christianity with a bon mot."

"You accept the historical Jesus?"

"Unquestionably! No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life."

As for your comment about Einstein being a pantheist, you have confused his admiration with actually being of a particular persuasion:

"I can't answer with a simple yes or no. I'm not an atheist and I don't think I can call myself a pantheist. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many different languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn't know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God. .. Our limited minds cannot grasp the mysterious force that moves the constellations. I am fascinated by Spinoza's pantheism, but admire even more his contributions to modern thought because he is the first philosopher to deal with the soul and the body as one, not two separate things."

and also...

"What, then, did Einstein mean by claiming to believe in Spinoza's Amor Dei Intellectualis, the intellectual love of God, the highest happiness that man can know? He was approving of Spinoza's idea that to be rational is to love God and to love God is to be rational, so that for one to engage in science is to think the thoughts of God after him. With Spinoza, however, that involved the outright identification of God with nature, a causally concatenated whole, whereas, as we have seen, with Einstein the Verständlichkeit of God was so exalted that it could not be reduced to the logico-causal intelligibilities of nature. A transcendent relation had to be taken into account."

Let's also focus on some things you said about Christians, notamobster, as being representative of their hypocrisy. Any group of people you care to discuss in a religious view or in a social setting will present caveats that call into question that group's "philosophies." It's mind-numbing that in your studies, you have seen fit to stereotype an entire religion thanks to your own observations about the daily actions of Christians.I offer no justification for being human and I offer no excuse for Christians leaving the church only to quickly sin. The Bible is full of such stories and as a student of faith, you certainly must know this. In a similar way, I offer to explanation to some within the priesthood whose evil doings have been anything but Christ-like. Such acts have made the news, as you are aware.As a Catholic, I can tell you that we will all be judged and that at the same time, part and parcel of St.John's Apocalypse talks about deceit, fraud and the failure of the elect. As stated above, I believe we are in those times now.This part of the Bible also talks about the castigation of Christians, something which you embark upon in your posting.I am sure that you would not judge an entire religion by the acts of a few priests or believers, just as I am sure you would not make blanket statements about a race based upon some random observations.There are good and evil in all things. At the end of the day, each of us are one or the other. There is no in between.

One last comment to Duane...I have not put a cent in the collection plate for as long as I can remember, but to make such a rash statement is simply foolish and hateful. To a large degree, the church is a refuge from the evil around us, a place to dwell on God's word. Evil and Satan have certainly infiltrated it in some cases, but your rant is again representative of misconceptions and mistruths. Who could possibly say John Paul was of Satan?

I'll again go with Dr.Thomas Torrance for an Einstein comment about the church:"Being a lover of freedom...I looked to the universities to defend it, knowing that they had always boasted of their devotion to the cause of truth; but, no, the universities immediately were silenced. Then I looked to the great editors of the newspapers whose flaming editorials in days gone by had proclaimed their love of freedom, but they, like the universities, were silenced in a few short weeks. Only the church stood squarely across the path of Hitler's campaign for suppressing the truth. I never had any special interest in the church before, but now I feel a great affection and admiration because the church alone has had the courage and persistence to stand for intellectual truth and moral freedom. I am forced to confess that what I once despised I now praise unreservedly."

Duane, Iron Man, et al... This conversation could go on for all of humanity (which indeed, it has). I could give you a dissertation on the history of Christianity, but I'll spare all on board the headache (that is not meant as an insult-please don't take it as such). I have no religion. My faith lies in the GOD of the universe. The one true creator, though I know not who he is. I refuse to accept any man's path. Every man must tread his own path and answer for how he played the hand of cards he was given... and I chose the path less traveled by.(We could argue the semantics of 'body of christ' VS religion but it's counter productive to the point I was making) Religions serve only to divide people and obfuscate that which is UNIVERSALLY true. That truth being: Man is a living, sentient being and thus has rights. These rights cannot be taken by another unless they are willfully surrendered. They also end at exactly that point which another's rights begin. These basic 'natural laws' apply as much to the People of occupied Palestine, as they did to America's Japanese prisoners (stateside concentration camps) during the second World War, or the Jews, Gypsies, homosexuals, and mentally deficient who were treated with such malevolence by their German captors, but I digress. My assertion can best be summed up by the New Testament book of Matthew Chapter 7, verses 18-23 (KJV): A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.***************************************Too many of America's Christ-ians and the world's Jews and Muslims are producing rotten fruit, and I want no part of it. ***************

Aw, sir, I thank you. You quote from my favorite of Gospel authors in Matthew, and you have proven the point quite nicely; many call themselves Christian but are nothing of the sort. Bush called himself a Christian and won the 2004 election by gaining the attention of evangelicals across the land. As a student of faith then, please make a clear distinction between trying to live as close to Christ-like in an all-too-evil world and those who profess to be Christ-like only to gain some advantage.

I would wonder what the good Lord thinks of those who run such governments as Israel and now to a great degree, America, too. I would wonder how He would view iron-fisted techniques used to squash the innocent and I would wonder how He would view political leaders who line their pockets while their own people starve, get sicker or are thrown into the street.

My end all to this is simply, why is it that when someone simply "talks" about his beliefs or about the message, he is "foisting" his beliefs upon others.Brother, notamobster might call it un-Christian, but I could care less what you believe.

By their fruits ye shall know them, eh? Well then, how 'bout these apples:

Fact: The (Catholic) church did next to nothing for the countless victims of WWII, including the millions who suffered or died in the concentration camps.

Fact: Same church does next to nothing for the countless (millions or billions hmm?) numbers of starving, thirsty, tortured, suffering, and victimized people today; all whist THAT church remains among, if not THE wealthiest of corporations on the planet. Is it somehow "powerless" to do more, or should I say to do anything at all!!!

Dozens or hundreds or thousands of pedophile priests and god knows how many victims (countless again!) ...followed by a church hierarchy including Pope Ratzinger which did and does practically nothing to those priests, other than run damage control/ cover-ups?

btw, Have you seen those tele-evangelists and various other assorted Christian fundamentalists gleefully calling for a bloody armageddon / apocalyse beginning in the middle east and featuring the untouchable /chosen Jews versus the evil or satanic ones du jour, the Muslims? ANd starring of course the (ultimate winners) the Christians! Ooh that must just zing the heart strings. Jesus!

Yes, by their fruits ye shall surely recognize them. No one really needs to bother stereotyping any religion based on the behaviours of certain adherents since the (again!) countless numbers of adherents manage to do that themselves and quite effortlessly (and inadvertently too?) I might add!

The pope ("saintly" haha JPII included) is a corporate/ political appointment more than anything else. btw, isn't your pope Ratzinger a former brown shirt or hitler youth or somesuch? Now there's a really trustworthy and credible soul. Not!

Religions, particularly the big three of Christianity, Islam, and Judaism all serve mostly to divide and ruin [sic] people. It's all about control. Oppression, restriction, and control. All utterly antithetical to nature, life, freedom (including freewill) and creation.

Religion by any other name would be an exclusive and divisive country club.

Whilst it may be interesting or insightful, the bible is not the word of God. To say it is does not make it so; no matter how many people parrot that claim. If it were, it'd be as plentiful, as accessible, and as plain as leaves on a tree.

My end all to this is simply, why is it that when someone simply "talks" about his beliefs or about the message, he is "foisting" his beliefs upon others. Brother, notamobster might call it un-Christian, but I could care less what you believe.

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How richly ironic [again]! haha

Ironman "could care less what you believe" but cares to share his beliefs and expect others to care. haha How very un-Christian of you Ironman. And yes, how very stereotypical of you as well. Thanks for proving a point I made earlier, Brother. ;)

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kikz,

Good idea about the hip waders. Think that that will be my cue to exit stage left. ta,

Iron Man - though I may not agree with what you have to say, I would (quite literally) defend, to the death, you right to say it. I have a great deal of respect for you as a seemingly educated, obviously intelligent man who stands fast against the injustice you perceived perpetrated against your faith.You are correct that I lumped all American Christians together, and I shouldn't have. For this, I apologize.My intention in reading and responding to this blog is to engage in interestingdiscourse on issues of absolute import to us all. I look forward to many lively debates with you in the future.################################Visible - thanks for tolerating our adventures-off-topic.

Certainly a church or a congregation finding refuge in the "false Doctrine" or turning a blind eye to the truth of "who they are" that pull the strings to deceive the world cannot be a refuge, but The Great Falling Away, the Apostle Paul speaks of.

I shall let it go at that.

regards Duane

I do not attend church anymore and haven't for some years now. One does not need a church or a religion to find refuge in GOD or the WORD of GOD.

hi, great article!!!!!! And interesting posts following. Regards if God is around or not, depending on your interpretion of God, will he is, increasingly but slowly within man, and other the Head of our universe (Son of God) who was here 2000 years already returned by in 1954, with his co hort The Son of Man, together called falsely Jesus. This "Second Coming" is the return of many to this sorry little planet. They are in our skies and these are ones labeled UFO's these days.

This planet is in big doo-doo (again) and we incarnate here are here to help get it raised out of the doo doo, with assistance from those in our skies. Candace Frieze, www.abundanthope.net AbundantHope IS the Second Coming Organization, is partnership with Both the Christs here 2000 years ago, sharing one body.

Annemarie, thanks for the revisionist claptrap. It seems when Catholic-bashing is the order of the day, all rocks become overturned. Perhaps you'd like to quote sources, as well...aside from the DaVinci Code, LOL.

As for the response to anon below, I am sorry that you didn't grasp my sarcastic wit.

alright people, let's play nice. /wit and repartee are always the most desirable assets in a spirited exchange.

Apollonian, I can't let you post here if other commentators become the focus of your commentary. this is especially so when it has to do with locations outside this blog. In other words, I'm not looking to be party to conflicts that don't have anything to do with this location. I'm not opposed to you repeating the same thing over and over, as you like to do because, eventually people are going to go right past them without even reading.

I'd like to see all of us stay on the points and away from the personalities. I don't know what hope I can hold in respect of this but I thought I'm mention it nonetheless.

Premises For Dialectic Must Remain Same, Even For Different Posters/Issues(Apollonian, 19 Jul 08)

Most esteemed comrade editor: surely u'd agree our basic premises must remain same for interests of honesty and integrity. Thus I pursue dialectic as poster and subject changes. There's no other rational course. For without common premise, there's no possible conclusion or dialectic.

Question/issue then is status of truth regarding various issues as for moralism-Pharisaism. Surely it's legitimate to pose these issues to individual posters directly--as for "Iron Man," fellow Christian and "Catholic."

Pertinent issue remaining, including for Les Visible, then is which comes first?--truth/honesty or moralism, as of "good-evil"? Maybe Visible could address such question more directly, but if not, why not allow "Iron Man," if he's willing? We know what Pharisee, mystic, and solipsist comrade "nobody" (ChurchOfNobody.blogspot.com) does.

For one of problems, I submit, for SmokingMirrors is how it will remain relevant for pertinent dialectic regarding truth and honesty VERSUS moralism-Pharisaism and "good-evil."

For fascism is founded upon pretended "good-evil"--as for "hate-crime" and "hate-speech." Fascism abhors truth/honesty, and characteristically censors truth in "empire of lies" upon moralistic pretext--as of "hate."

Perhaps Les Visible should consider truth is genuine matter of life and death.

CONCLUSION: Editors must consider then how they cooperate with Rivero for this pertinent issue of TRUTH. So far editor Les Visible seems to avoid this most fateful choice: truth/honesty vs. moralism-Pharisaism ("good-evil")--which is first? Editor Visible should rather appreciate humble correspondent Apollonian reminding of this theme/issue of foremost significance. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian

My mentioning "foisting" of beliefs had nothing at all to do with anything you or anyone else here has said regarding their own faith. I'm sorry if you took it personally but trust me, there was no judging of you, your words, or your faith.

My intention was to observe how, when someone claims to have found their faith, the next step is all too often an attempt to then reassure themselves that the club they have joined is the right one by going forth and "sharing" - or to use that club (pun intended) to justify things that are impossible to justify in any other way by claiming their club's superiority. Whether it be the current situation in Naalin or the Crusades, The theme of "my God can beat up your God" is at the root of the problem, or more accurately used as the excuse to further an agenda under the guise of a particular "faith".

The very essence of the word faith leaves no room for anyone to claim to know the truth about it - faith in anything is simply a willingness to accept something as true without being able to prove it. It seems to me that the deepest cause for the need to share one's faith or to gather in groups to promote it is to attempt to convince the self that they truly believe what they think is truth. I'm thinking that someone who truly has "faith" accepts that their faith is unprovable (to anyone other than themselves) and would never attempt to convince another that they have it all figured out. It simply CANNOT be proven, only suggested for personal reflection.

Here is how I see this whole "religion" thing. It starts with something all sentient beings can rightly claim without exception - this is an undeniable, irrefutable truth in my mind. It starts with the realization that "I am". The problem, again in my humble opinion, is when you add another word to that statement. "I am (insert your favorite club name here - and this in my mind extends beyond just religion to include nationalism and any other form of identification or qualifier), you create (the illusion of) separation, and that is where the trouble begins.

I'm sorry, but as far as I am concerned, there is no chance any kind of "club" (again, dual meaning implied) will ever usher in a utopia or create world peace - it will always be the creator of the illusion of a divide and all that attends that position.

All I can ever say in honesty about myself is "I am". The rest is simply speculation, and I pray that I will never convince myself I have anything figured out and that I have found any sort of real truth, because when I do, those things I would claim as absolute would immediately discount any other possibility and cut off the blessing of truly having an open mind. Truth will hopefully be revealed to me someday. I yearn for it and react poorly to anyone claiming they can show or give it to me, but I can never claim to "know" anything as an absolute truth as long as I am roaming around on this earth other than "I am". And as Les has said to me "When truth takes off her clothes, the world disappears" I am very much looking forward to that occasion.

"Anon 'Z'" at 8:10 pm, comrade: u make fundamental and typical error, I submit, presuming Christianity is mystic or "faith." Christianity is simply LITERATURE, first, then life-style, ethic, and conduct (the "Way") based upon such literature and philosophy induced thereof.

Hence then Christianity is, according to Gosp. JOHN, account of lonely battle of TRUTH vs lies and conspiracy, esp. as exampled by heroic figure of Christ.

Christianity thus is championship of OBJECTIVE REALITY (hence Aristotle and Greek/West) upon which criterion is founded such TRUTH, this opposed to Talmudic subjectivism and lies (see Gosp. MARK 7:1-13). See RevisionistHistory.org, TruthTellers.org, and Come-and-hear.com for best Talmudic expo.

Thus Christianity is dramatized AESTHETIC in accord w. literature, most perfectly rational. And of course, "faith" is most un-fortunate buzzword which means anything one pretends. But only proper, accurate understanding of "faith" would be LOYALTY.

It is indeed tragedy if Christianity is so prejudicially understood only as mysticism, but note only very few people--maybe one percent--fully appreciate intricacies of philosophy/logic/metaphysics.

CONCLUSION: And entire pt. to Christianity is as weapon, political and socio-biologic, against such subjectivism, conspiracy, and lies: "Think not I come to bring peace; rather I come to bring a sword" (Gosp. MATT. 10:34). Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian

I really don't know what to tell you about that. I don't read Curt Maynard's blog and I don't know much about him. On occasion my work winds up in some strange places. I saw that I was on Stormfront. I see some extremely racist fellow in Kentucky has me in his links. That's about it as far as I know and I don't know what one does about controlling that.

Personally I wouldn't even have this blog except that injustice gnaws at me. I prefer to consider metaphysics and I plan to vanish into the Himalayas if I am given the chance.

I don't know everything there is to know about Mike Rivero. I only know that he has provided me a great service as a news gathering machine. I thought I would pay testimony to that. It's not likely to be a regular feature here. I can't please everyone. I just try to do my best.

I'm not joining anyone's army for or against, unless it would be the infantry of understanding against the infantry of ignorance.

I'm not going to try to explain myself but just keep on the best way that I know how. As for my publishing guidelines they are at the top of the comments page.

If Curt Maynard said these things well then I have to say I don't agree with him. I don't agree with a lot of people. He's not much different than the Israelis who are the worst that I have seen in these times. In fact, they are far worse than he. This does not excuse what he said. It's just perspective.

I hope no one gets too upset that I let the more innocuous apollonian posts through. It seems like the right thing to do. Let me know if it is not.

while I appreciate your efforts to "correct" me, I would like to point out how it is just as likely that Christianity becomes a "Blazing, Triumphant Weapon Of......well, whatever the ones doing the blazing and triumphing with their "weapon" seek. I also must contend that one can start with any religion on the face of the earth, or even no religion at all, an end up at the same eventual destination, and save the fees and rituals in the process.

Christ was certainly a good role model, but I, personally, don't believe in following any such role model at the exclusion of all others, that's all. And some claim that I am doomed simply for not joining the right team, so I simply reject "joining" and adopting a title to go with my belief system. How can anyone who truly thinks for themselves and claims to seek the ultimate truth risk making the wrong "choice" with so much on the spiritual menu?I'm going a la carte, thank you very much.

I know the answer most Christians would give to this question, but I'll ask it anyways; if it begins as literature, then what/who is the source of said literature? Then I would simply say next, "prove it". You can't. Not to anyone but yourself, anyway.

Your conclusion, which you are of course entitled to, says a great deal in itself, but I have no need for any weapons and kindly keep your swords away from me as well. Z

"I hope no one gets too upset that I let the more innocuous apollonian posts through. It seems like the right thing to do. Let me know if it is not."

visible @ 10:53 PM

Hallo Les,

Thank you for bringing that up...for I don't find anything Appollonian says to be innocuous. In my opinion, he's been taking a dump in your space for far too long and the stench is contaminating the entire place. He repeats himself ad nauseum, taking up massive amounts of space, saying next to nothing.

He is obsessed with (insulting) Nobody and sometimes Kikz, even when they've not even posted or written a thing here! And he goes after others (randomly?) who mostly seem to do their best to ignore him. I don't comprehend why you haven't outright banned him a long time ago.

Also, he's a white supremacist, racist. And this I find the most loathsome. He and his fellow racists, including that vile hatemonger Curtie Maynard wrongly call it "loyalty". They think they're educated, slick, and truth-seekers!

And he's not the only white supremacist/racist hatemonger who posts in here, but he's the most common. And this particular lot is the proverbial pot calling the kettle black. They constantly criticize Jews for being supremacist or racist, while they themselves are. ?! This gives them less than zero cred.

All this ties in with something which has me confounded...you have said that it was a black man (or men) that saved or protected you when you were in jail or prison...so how is it that you now tolerate /allow these white supremacists in your blog?

I realize you don't like censorship. Neither do I. But I still have boundaries and limits, as I'm certain you do. But I have a nagging feeling that certain people are taking advantage of your generous nature and open mind. ?

Incidentally, I've been wanting to discuss this with you for a while but it somehow seemed rude or presumptuous of me, as it's your space, not mine; and I didn't know quite how to broach the subject. So now I gotta' tell you that I've been feeling increasingly uncomfortable coming here and posting anything, given some of the "company". And it's got nada to do with what you write, see. And nada to do with some of the other amazing and brilliant and loving posters. Still, I'll likely be moving on to other pastures if Apollo and his fellow supremacists continue to post here. Anyhow that's my feedback, fwiw...

I've not posted any of the apollonians comments except for this one, I think, since I decided not to let him mention anyone else's name in the negative and to curb the more harsh commentaries.

I can't tailor the blog to your tastes annemarie any more than I can tailor it to anyone elses. On some occasions people put strong commentary out here but it is in the minority; still, it reflects the world at large. It is what people are saying.

As for Jews, they are not the focus here with me, not per se. Zionists are part of the focus and they are bloodthirsty murderers. The news is full of their heinous efforts at genocide and they are behind 9/11, the Afghanistan assault, the Iraq War and the push for an Iranian war. As heads of the Cheka in the Soviet Union they were responsible for the murder of tens of millions of people. In the Ukraine and in Armenia they caused the deaths of millions more. The facts are conclusive and not debatable. If humanity has an enemy right now it is they.

I've got to tell it as I see it. I also like the free flow of ideas. Until the readers here are clear and direct about what they want and do not want here I cannot be responsible for reading their silence.

Last name on the left; there are things in what you say that indicate that you are possibly part of this group, especially with your harping on holocaust denial. The facts are crystal clear that the death numbers are wildly exaggerated as well as the truth goes unreported as to how the Zionists were as responsible for 'what did happen' as the Nazis were. From declaring war on Germany well before the Nazis ever did a thing, to denying Red Cross help to those in the camps, to refusing to allow the Jews in the camps to emigrate to other countries. I could come up with many, many things that are a matter of public record. I know these things. Everything I say in my blog is backed up by data.

I don't know anything about what you are reporting. I do find it strange that you are the only one reporting it that I have seen. Furthermore, Michael Rivero is a Jew.

Anyway, I think I will shut down the direction of this series of comments as I suspect it is annoying the regular visitors and they are important, more important than recent visitors who would do better to argue this at other locations. There are many larger web presences where you can go on and on about these things. You don't need to do it here.

This has been a very civil place for a long time. I have been fair as fair can be. I have to go on telling things as I see them and I don't really want to debate them with anyone because they aren't debatable, they just are.

Whether people come here or not isn't the important thing. The important thing is that they get said.

In conclusion about things like holocaust denial, I should say that anyone can say what they please about the matter. I will say that it is interesting that Jewish interests deny their own involvement in holocausts much larger than the one they were a part of, even if the figures were accurate. I will further say that they are not 'chosen people' and that their lives are no more important than anyone elses. As they are now exterminating the Palestinians I will say that they have used up all good will and any currency they might have had from their perceived suffering, given the immense suffering they cause every day.

I just got a really vicious comment from someone who might once have been a friend of this blog. It was profanity laced and far beyond anything called for.

I have tried to be open handed and open minded here. I've tried to tell the truth. When, on occasion there have been criticisms here I have tried to take them to heart.

I'll just say this. Any friend, any favored acquaintance, will generally have the class to contact someone in private about their concerns. They won't have so little awareness or class as to pitch a shit fit in public.

Any and every reader here has always had access to my email and has always been in a position to tell me their thoughts. When people do not communicate it is impossible to even know that they have anything on their mind. Since I seldom if ever get negative comments here it was my reasonable assumption that I was handling things correctly. To assume that I am some kind of a mind reader or to presume that one's influence is greater than anyone elses is a delusion.

It goes without saying that the people you have to watch out for are the ones who praise you the most because they are the ones who will turn on you in a heartbeat when you no longer cater to their whims. I've known this for a long time and it is occasionally proven to me again.

If anyone reading here has a problem with things going on here then all they have to do is reach out to me in a private manner and I will seriously consider what they have to say. You can go to any site on the internet and usually find far more inflammatory commentary than you see here. I try to give everyone a chance to give their input because I never know when I will learn something. Sometimes I grant too much latitude and that is when those paying attention should clue me in in a manner similar to the way I treat them. If they are silent then that is taken as there not being a problem. If they suddenly turn into a pitbull without any justification then I have to assume they are having problems not connected to this blog or that their consciousness is altered by something which is combustible when added to human emotion.

I'll go on writing here and people from many points will go on reading and having different impressions of what they read. It's always best to address the points made on the basis of reason and fact. If anyone wants to refute anything here then they must take into consideration the information that I provide with every post to back up what I say; if their own observations do not make it possible for them to see what is right in front of them.

Real people are being murdered by known assailants. It goes on and on and something has to be said. Most people lack the courage to call powerful interests on their psychopathy. I am not one of them.

If you feel that something I am saying here is not true then you must give evidence that counteracts or disproves what I say. Common name calling and insults are not effective rebuttal.

I'm just going to move right along as I have been doing. People will come and people will go. Any one person's opinion does not reflect the majority and is not cause for me to change the course of my statements and positions. However, as I have said, any reasonable person can appeal to me at any time and I will give serious consideration to what they have to say. I will block the comments of certain posters from now on because I can see that it is divisive and not helping the situation but unless any reader who objects to anything has the awareness and sensitivity to come to me in a private manner and treat with me as an adult I cannot take what they say seriously when they are just trying to get a rise out of me in public.

I hope I've made myself clear but I know from long experience that I probably have not.

As stated before, and repeatedly, Les offers the best truth I can find on the internet. If it wasn't for this site, I'm not sure what I would do for thorough analysis. I enjoy Rivero's site too, but in Michael's case, once he has it in his head that something is "evil" or to be avoided, the list of article pieces almost become obsessive. As such, one has to pick and choose.That said, I'm not at all sure what Apollonian is driving at nor do I have the time to contemplate. Where Z is concerned, let me back up to include kikz latest piece of wisdom, as well. If you have read any of my postings here, I've tried hard to steer clear of proselytizing. While some evangelicals and yes, Catholics, feel it is their duty to spread the word of Christ, my simple feeling is that this is not the place. In my mind, each individual has the ability to hear for himself and each has to make his own decisions. To echo an earlier comment, why is it when someone merely mentions he is a Catholic, believes we are in the times of St.John's Apocalypse, looks at current day events as some proof...that he is suddenly "waving a bloody papal banner", etc? To that end, the "club" idea that Z mentions works both ways, doesn't it? It's just as easy to attach someone with faith to justify one's own mindset as it is to preach. kikz and others have proven that nicely here.Z, you miss my boat where faith is concerned. You miss the point where my "membership" in the church is concerned. The church, from the Vatican to local clergy, are merely earthly representatives of my religion. I don't agree with everything they put forward and have chosen to assume my own connotations of biblical lessons. You see, faith, to me at least, is inate. Tis true I was raised a Catholic, but the assumption that all Catholics are something to Scientologists--brainwashed masses--is patently false. As I've gotten older, I've done my own readings, my own thinking and my own contemplation. In my mind, my faith has grown as I've grown older, and it serves to make sense--as much as one can--of today's world.You are right in talking about the unexplained. I can't explain why people die. I can't explain injustice. I can't explain rampant hatred. I can't explain cruelty or senseless brutality. I can't explain any of it in a "why does God allow it" sense. Perhaps I'll know in the hereafter, and in a nutshell, that is my grace--that life on this mortal coil is merely a stepping stone to another place.In my mind, in my heart and indeed in my soul, I simply believe this can't be it. This can't be the finality of existence. And in all three aspects, I simply believe that Christ's teachings resonate clearly about a spiritual path for myself.

I find it confounding that one's faith can be distorted or subjected to "data". We live in an age when one can bend "data" to suit almost any need, almost any whim.

Can I explain my faith? No. Do I need tangible evidence ala Doubting Thomas? No. Do I wish to preach to the masses? But Z, the club mentality is a two way street. you've seen it here, as a few individuals have seen fit to attack to justify what perhaps is a shaky personal philosophy. I don't feel the need to attack, don't feel the need to get angry--in time, we all will know.

Whatever has happened, could it be the person is in financial crisis and projected their angry feelings onto you? Lately, I'm seeing this happening to a lot of people, Les. They are feeling threatened regardless of how secure they appear. Financial stress, especially on the immediate scale, produces unreasonable conflict where none previously existed. Its a big part of the damage package. The fallout makes people blind to each other, paranoid and suspicious.

When everything is leaving us, being broken and taken away, we must hold tight to our hearts. They are all that matters. You know this and I am reminding you of your own, deepest intent.I understand you have made up your mind to delete the comment, but as your friend, I welcome the opportunity to defend you against any foe, any time.

visible - though I am not privy to what happened behind the scenes, I apologize if I contibuted to the discord. If I didn't, please forgive my narcissism. I appreciate the artful manner in which you express the opinions of so many. I cherish lively debate, and would prefer to keep the ad hominem comments out of it. Sometimes the things we say can inflame the sensibilities of an entire group, and I tend to be less mindful of that than I should(please, don't think I'm advocating political correctness here; as I would sooner cut out my own tongue). -----------------------------------With regard to the personal attack you received, I would like to direct the reader to Honore de Balzac "Louis Lambert": "The world of ideas divides itself into three spheres - that of instinct; that of abstraction; and that of specialism. The greater part of humanity - that is, the weaker part - inhabits the sphere of instinctivity. The instinctives are born, work and die without rising to the second degree of human intelligence - namely, abstraction.... The specialist is necessarily the loftiest expression of man - the link which connects the visible to the superior worlds. He acts, he sees, he feels through his inner being. The abstractive thinks. The instinctive simply acts." You Sir, are a specialist.

Do you see, Les, what shape we are in? Yes, you DO see.Ans what that - thanks a lot.Your voice, as the voice of marked in times poets, your pain expressed in unique literal voice could leave us either silently grieving or actively thinking ( at least) of "WhatCanBeDone??Instead, we engage ourselves in the "intellectual discussions"... That is what we usually do, that is but ONLY what we are capable for at times like ours.None of us,your permanent readers, seems did not get the virus of a human pain from the body of our, now mortally sick, world."Discussions"... 65 of them. Is there anything left "undiscussed"? Is there anything to match the sea of tears that flood from the little ( defenseless) Naalin?There should be something in The Soul of ours. But those tears can not enter there, when the consciousness ( of ours) is packed with the noise of our minds.Please, do not interfere with our "discussions".Just CONTINUE to SING and CRY at the level we are not capable anymore to understand.You are A Song. And some day we will learn to sing it. If we are to survive...