its against the law, doesnt matter if you think it should or shouldnt be, its illegal. if you do something that is illegal and you know the punishment is going to prison, then you're a fucking moron and have no arguement if you get caught

Don't some states still have laws on the books saying it's illegal to sex up your wife with anal/oral. Would people who choose to participate in these prohibited activities also qualify as "fucking morons?"

As you stated, this is a great country. And the freest country in the world.

I'm not making a direct correlation between the freest country in the world and more folks behind bars, but i'm assuming it doesn't hurt.

It's definitely something I'm not bitching about anytime soon.

Are we really the freest country? I figure someone like Iceland was probably "freer", if you can really calculate that. But then again they have to have a special website just to make sure they aren't related to their one-night-stand so they can't be that great.

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It is better to be a human being dissatisfied than a pig satisfied; better to be Socrates dissatisfied than a fool satisfied.

I don't want weed legalized. Contrary to popular opinion on here, it is a gateway drug. Seen it too many times. You can downplay it all you want, but the bottom line is it's illegal. Why risk your future doing an illegal drug? Simple, the world is full of dumbasses. I could smoke weed, but I choose not to. I do not want to jeopardize my job nor my freedom.

This is very true. No one who has ever stopped at just weed understands what you're saying here. But it's sort of like being an addict. With many people, weed leads to many other drugs. You can find thousands of testimonies that state this, and that's the primary reason it's still illegal, despite what pot-smokers want to publicize.

To me, the argument that "well, alcohol is legal, so pot should be" just doesn't hold any water.

There are few things that have been proven incorrect as often as the "gateway" theory. It's horseshit, and that's been roundly proven.

I don't know what statistics say b/c I don't really care to look this stuff up, but I know what addicts say. Every single addict of a harder drug (not prescription, that's an issue in and of itself) I've talked to in person started with pot. Probably b/c pot is easy to find.

And I've talked to a lot of addicts.

But some study you can find on the internet or in a book might be right. It's just not MORE right than actual human interaction.

I don't know what statistics say b/c I don't really care to look this stuff up, but I know what addicts say. Every single addict of a harder drug (not prescription, that's an issue in and of itself) I've talked to in person started with pot. Probably b/c pot is easy to find.

And I've talked to a lot of addicts.

But some study you can find on the internet or in a book might be right. It's just not MORE right than actual human interaction.

It's 1000% more right than actual human interaction. You haven't talked to 1% of 1% of the addicts out there, and you haven't weighted your interactions to make sure and account for other factors. You don't have enough of a sample size to make any kind of statement, and you have done literally absolutely ZERO to show that marijuana use had any effect on later drug use.

Also, it doesn't matter if every drug user in the world says they started on pot. The large and overwhelming number of people who use Cannabis, don't use other illegal drugs. That is, in itself, proof that you're wrong.

Also, how many of those same drug users who "started" with pot never drank alcohol, smoked cigarettes, listened to rock or rap, or went swimming? Approximately zero, I'm sure. Are all of these things "gateways" to hard drug use?

Also, it doesn't matter if every drug user in the world says they started on pot. The large and overwhelming number of people who use Cannabis, don't use other illegal drugs. That is, in itself, proof that you're wrong.

Can't argue with a statement like that.

It's fine with me. I'm not going to argue this point. Arguing with a pot smoker over the legality/illegality of pot/gateway to other drugs subject is like arguing with Alabama on how many national championships they have.

Either one is pointless, but I'd much rather argue the second. And I'll gladly be called stupid for stating this. I've been called stupid for a lot less.

It's fine with me. I'm not going to argue this point. Arguing with a pot smoker over the legality/illegality of pot/gateway to other drugs subject is like arguing with Alabama on how many national championships they have.

Either one is pointless, but I'd much rather argue the second. And I'll gladly be called stupid for stating this. I've been called stupid for a lot less.

I'm not calling you stupid. I'm telling you you're wrong. And you are, and it's easy to prove.

And, you're actually the Alabama fan in this scenario. You're claiming things for which there is no proof, for which the proof actually directly contradicts you, and then dismissing anything that proves you wrong.

You're not arguing with me, by the way. You're arguing with all of the data, and all of the research. That's between you and whatever premium you put on the truth.

I don't know what statistics say b/c I don't really care to look this stuff up, but I know what addicts say. Every single addict of a harder drug (not prescription, that's an issue in and of itself) I've talked to in person started with pot. Probably b/c pot is easy to find.

And I've talked to a lot of addicts.

But some study you can find on the internet or in a book might be right. It's just not MORE right than actual human interaction.

Started with pot? You mean before they ever tried alcohol or tobacco? Hmmm, I wonder if those 2 are gateway drugs?

I don't know what statistics say b/c I don't really care to look this stuff up, but I know what addicts say. Every single addict of a harder drug (not prescription, that's an issue in and of itself) I've talked to in person started with pot. Probably b/c pot is easy to find.

And I've talked to a lot of addicts.

But some study you can find on the internet or in a book might be right. It's just not MORE right than actual human interaction.

The thing about the gate-way theory is that, real addicts are going to get what they can, when they can. Just because they got pot first, doesn't mean they wouldn't have gone straight to heroin if they'd had that opportunity first. Pot is usually first because its cheap and widely available to teenagers. That's all. There is no causality in opportunity.

It's 1000% more right than actual human interaction. You haven't talked to 1% of 1% of the addicts out there, and you haven't weighted your interactions to make sure and account for other factors. You don't have enough of a sample size to make any kind of statement, and you have done literally absolutely ZERO to show that marijuana use had any effect on later drug use.

Also, it doesn't matter if every drug user in the world says they started on pot. The large and overwhelming number of people who use Cannabis, don't use other illegal drugs. That is, in itself, proof that you're wrong.

Also, how many of those same drug users who "started" with pot never drank alcohol, smoked cigarettes, listened to rock or rap, or went swimming? Approximately zero, I'm sure. Are all of these things "gateways" to hard drug use?

Not throwing a dog in this fight (trying to sit on the sidelines and use it as a learning opportunity): You are dismissing his arguments for lack of empirical evidence or statistical facts. Valid point.

But then you are making your argument/case without giving any empirical evidence or facts yourself but rather broad, generalized statements or opinions (e.g. "The large and overwhelming number of people who use Cannabis, don't use other illegal drugs."

I personally am trying to objectively sift through all of this, but its hard when "cases" are being made with no real facts given.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Disclaimer: I don't smoke pot or other illegal drugs (never have) but don't judge or care about others who do - none of my business. However, I did get a blow job in HS and I can definitively say that was a gateway to wanting another and wanting more sex, so there's that.

Not throwing a dog in this fight (trying to sit on the sidelines and use it as a learning opportunity): You are dismissing his arguments for lack of empirical evidence or statistical facts. Valid point.

But then you are making your argument/case without giving any empirical evidence or facts yourself but rather broad, generalized statements or opinions (e.g. "The large and overwhelming number of people who use Cannabis, don't use other illegal drugs."

I personally am trying to objectively sift through all of this, but its hard when "cases" are being made with no real facts given.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Disclaimer: I don't smoke pot or other illegal drugs (never have) but don't judge or care about others who do - none of my business. However, I did get a blow job in HS and I can definitively say that was a gateway to wanting another and wanting more sex, so there's that.

I'm at work, or I would be happy to link the numbers all day. Ask my friend Google, he's pretty handy.

Don't some states still have laws on the books saying it's illegal to sex up your wife with anal/oral. Would people who choose to participate in these prohibited activities also qualify as "fricking morons?"

Don't some states still have laws on the books saying it's illegal to sex up your wife with anal/oral. Would people who choose to participate in these prohibited activities also qualify as "fucking morons?"

There is little chance of anyone busting into your bedroom and making sure you aren't doing anal. There is even smaller chance of your wife being an undercover cop in a sting operation. And really, if she was...wouldn't it be worth it, just for the story you could tell your friends?

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It is better to be a human being dissatisfied than a pig satisfied; better to be Socrates dissatisfied than a fool satisfied.

I get not using because it is illegal but I cannot understand why anyone would be ok with alcohol being legal and pot being illegal. Calling pot a gateway drug and not alcohol. Hell, alcohol is the gateway to lots of illegal activity, including sodomy.

I really can't believe some people. Alcohol is eleventy trillion times worse for your body, mind, and society yet cock suckers look down their noses at someone while they smoke a doob. Freaking nonsense.

The only reason AT ALL that someone could say marijuana is a gateway drug is because the people who sell marijuana are constantly pushing the other stuff. It's not that marijuana causes people to want to do other drugs, it's BECAUSE IT'S ILLEGAL AND YOU HAVE TO GET IT FROM SOME SHITHEAD WHO WANTS TO SELL COCAINE AND CRACK TOO.

So in effect the prohibition of marijuana is the gateway to illegal drug use. Treat it like alcohol. Sell it. Tax it. Get it off the streets and everyone's quality of life will be improved.

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