Arbitration offers going out today…

Some good news for all of you…we will announce very shortly that we are offering arbitration to Manny, Derek Lowe and Casey Blake. What this means is that if they accept, we will have them back for 2009 and if they decline and choose to sign elsewhere, we will get compensation in the form of draft picks.

I know that some of you will likely ask about Furcal so I can tell you that should he sign with another team, we would not get any compensation because he was injured this year, so his numbers don’t place him in the “A” or “B” group that determines compensation of this nature.

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I see MLB has not fixed the problem signing in…I like that we are offering arbitration to these 3…I assume Manny and Lowe are Type A and Blake is he an A or B…Love to come out of it with some extra draft picks…Josh thanks for answering the Furcal ?….

As for SS, I threw out Visquel as a 1 year option and I would not be opposed to Izturis on a 1-2 yr deal…I really thought after 04 Izturis was going to be a star and he was so smooth as a fielder…What do you think?

Thank You Josh. Maybe now we can start forming our team for 2009!! Been anxiously waiting :) I don’t want to loose Raffy. We’ve stood by him for the last couple of years, through thick and thin. I’d hate to see him go. He is our #15!!
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Happy December to all~ The best non-baseball month :)

Good question j-mur. I think Biemel was worth the risk of him accepting arbitration. We need arms in the BP one way or another, and being a reliever his contract couldn’t have amounted to that much even if he accepted. Now we get nothing either way. Another NedCo blunder.

BTW J-Mur, if you’re new, welcome to ITD. If you’ve just had your name snatched, who were you??

I really do not see not offering arbitration to Beimel as a problem, because he may just accept it and with his decent numbers he would have probably doubled or tripled his number….I think Elbert will step in his spot with no problem.

I really hope, but do not think it will happen, Tommy John gets voted in….He was a pioneer in baseball, he and Frank Jobe…A freakin SURGERY is named after him and he won 164 games after the surgery….288 wins come on writers use some common sense….He won some big games in the playoffs…..

That would be good to see, ramslover. Mark, the guy who runs the flagship MLBlogs site ( http://mlblogs.mlblogs.com ), just posted a new entry about receiving his HOF Writer’s Ballot. It’s lengthy, but filled with information about the process and everything. A good read, and maybe we can plead Tommy John’s case in the comments section.

I think that Biemel not being offered arbitration tells us a lot of the direction Frank & Furter are going with things. If you’re willing to give up a draft pick for someone that even if they accept arbitration makes maybe $3-3.5 mil for 1 year, we’re noot seriously in contention for any elite FA.

Ramslover ~ I’d love to see Tommy John voted in as well. I think he is a fine person who overcame many horrible things. I remember when his son fell from a window and as you mentioned, the surgery that was named after him.

OK, I’m decenting. I don’t think TJ should be in the HOF. Good steady pitcher for a long time, but if he’s going to be elected for his elbow surgery, then elect Frank Jobe instead since he’s the one who thought it up and performed it.

Enchanted ~ it seems like a lot of players getting into the HOF lately aren’t really worthy. Just hit 500 home runs and you are in…….doesn’t matter if they come as solo shots or when they really matter.

If we are just talking about numbers then, I also think this whole steroids issue is going to hurt some future HOF that were headed for a shoe in until the rumors started flying. Do you think this will hurt some?

I personally wouldn’t vote any of those players in, Clemens included. There may be a whole era of players that won’t get voted in whether they juiced or not, though I don’t think it will effect Griffey or A-Rod.

I would vote for the steroid guys and the main reason is because you cannot prove who did or did not…just because they have been named or have not been named leaves too many unanswered questions…Personally I feel you just have to take the last 20 or so years for what it was…the Streroid Era…Judge them on their numbers and let the chip falls….I just wish McGwire, Clemens, bonds, and Sosa (no evidence of any use just speculation on him) would have fessed up like Giambi and Pettite…We are a very forgiving society and if they would have admitted it and their mistake I think alot of people would be upset but would forgive….

How can we pick and chose who was guilty and who was not…Again just because you have not been named does not mean you did not…

Furthermore in the 60s and 70s amphetamines were huge in baseball and I got from a pretty good source there are HOFers that used them…So for as long as humans have been competing they have always looked for an advantage….whether it was the spitball, sandpaper..cork in the bat…a greenie to have the energy to play….if you think that the HOFers all did it on natural ability…that is a little naive….

Tommy John was a pioneer and yes the surgery was named after him, his leagacy is that he took a chance that no one before him had ever tried (Jobe should also be in the HOF) and he was more successful afterward than before….He lost 2-3 years of his prime…He held on 3-4 years too long but he has more complete games and shutouts than Randy Johnson…His ERA at 44 and 45 was 4.03 and 4.49 and he was pitching in the AL East for a bad Yankee team that I can remember….288 wins 3.34 lifetime era…3 time 20 game winner AFTER his surgery….So no he should not be elected because of the surgery but for having the courage to try ligament replacement and then being successful….He has the same lifetime winning % that Don Sutton has and his ERA is 3.34 to Suttons 3.26.

HOF is another illustration of what a dirge its been during the last 21 years being a Dodger fan – how many Dodgers during that span are HOFers? (I mean Dodgers, not rentals like Maddux and Manny.) I can only think of one off the top of my head – Piazza.

Sad but true about Piazza.
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Jeff Kent I don’t think qualifies as a Dodger, plus he was at the end of his career anyway. Pedro Martinez, if he’s even HOF worthy, wasn’t dominant until he left the Dodgers.
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Help me out – is there anyone I’m not thinking of?

BTW, they’d better get this blog straightened out – I couldn’t post for the last half hour/45 mins.

This is a test of the ITD historian to see if this damn system is working yet.

This will be fun to recap next year at this time. Since, I guess that is my job. Boy, we had some exciting times last year around here during winter meetings. The anniversary of signing Andruw Jones in coming up in a few days – just dandy I say!!!

I gotta admit that he probably should go in as a Met. He spent a little more time there than as a Dodger, not to mention the circumstances that surrounded the trade. I’d be upset too. But his numbers were better here. Lord, that guy could mash.

I still wish he’d make an appearance in DS. I think the place would blow up. The idiots who sent him away are long gone.

Well we can all thank Fox and Rupert Murdochs brillant people for the Piazza fiasco…I would love to meet that exec that made that trade and ounch him right in the face…The most amazing story was reading a story by Fred Claire the GM at the time…It was done behind his back and that was the beginning of the end of the Dodgers for quite a few years….

One player that didn’t come with the Dodgers from Brooklyn, and I don’t think he should be in there either.

Hershiser and Fernando, flashes of brilliance but not long enough to be in the Hall. Ramslover, your argument to include TJ because of his similar stats to Sutton is my argument as to why players like Little D shouldn’t be in there.

Again, in my opinion only of course, the Hall of Fame should be for absolutely dominate players, the Superstars, the Cream of the Crop. Guys who you hated to see come up, either at the plate or on the mound. Guys who changed the way you played the game.

No one saw Koufax or Gibson or Seaver or Ryan out there when Sutton was on the mound. I loved Tommy John, but I don’t think anyone went up there thinking that they would be lucky to get a loud foul off him.

I loved Steve Garvey and Ron Cey, but I don’t think anyone would compare them with Ted Williams or Stan Musial. And I think the Hall should be reserved for Mays and Aaron and Walter Johnson and Babe Ruth and Jimmie Foxx and Bob Feller. There are tons of Pretty Good Players, but they should keep the Hall a very hard place to get into.

Ward Dear……. I should have known you would know all that information, and what you said is so true. Cooperstown needs to be saved for the best of the best. There are alot of great players, but how many are extrordinary?

I liked Delino because he grew up in a small town in Delaware about 14 miles where I did..We have not had many MLers to come out of Delaware…I wished it would have turned out better but it was one of if not the worst trades in Dodgers history.

Also Enhcanted if McCourt was not buying the Dodgers at the time or the team was for sale…we would have probably have signed Vladimir Guerrero and he could have been our HOF representative over the last 2o years,,,Also if memory serves me right we had the chance to sign him at 16 and said no and went down the road to the Expos and got signed….Vladie we lost…Roberto Clemente we lost…Pedro we lost….not much luck with the latinos…

Rick Sutcliffe, two years after he won the rookie-of-the-year award, was traded in 1981 for Jorge Orta.
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Dave Stewart and John Franco were traded in 1983 for Rick Honeycutt and Rafael Landestoy, respectively.
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John Wetteland was packaged with Tim Belcher in 1991 and traded for Eric Davis and Kip Gross.

manfromchina – LOL!!!!!! I had a lot of fun, really. I learned alot about how the whole thing works, and the next time you ask me for a trade, I am trading. I think that jinxed me for the rest of the season – LOL!!! Anyhow, if I have to get beat, who better than the Commish, right? I am pulling for you in the playoffs.

I am glad everything worked out with your girlfriend and her school. Like I said, one of my good friends who I teach with, her daughter is going there next year. She had just stayed in the dorms that weekend to have a tour and such. Anyhow, glad everything worked out, and like you said, everyone was safe, which is the most important thing. Take care, and don’t be a stranger around here. BTW – watch out for next season. I won’t be a rookie next year- just a sophomore slump maybe :) Thanks for a great season Commish – go get them!!!!!

MFC–I guess I missed that your girlfriend went to Westmont. I had a great friend from my youth group go there a number of years ago. That is a nice campus. I’m glad your girlfriend and everyone there was okay. I had heard the fire was coming close to their campus and they were evacuated. That is scary!!

hey there everyone i cant really stay long but thought id stop by to talk trash to dnelly…haha. just joking. it was deffinately a fun season and its too bad i had to beat you to get in at your expense. oh well thats how it goes. i think my team is really in a good situation. i basically built my team for these last 3 weeks. i made all my moves based on the strength of schedule here at the end. i was just hoping i could survive. i’ll catch up later when i have time. im finishing up school this week and next week. but i’ll have more free time soon. take care guys.
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oh and thanks to everyone who prayed for my girlfriend and all of westmont durning the fires. she is fine and her dorms were untouched. howeve her dorms from last year were lost along with the dorms my brother stayed in his freshman year (2004). very sad but luckily everyone is safe.

Ward Dear…… I got locked out, and couldn’t respond – sorry!!! You are most welcome anytime!!!!! Good Night and God Bless to you and your family. I hope Chris had a great first day (yesterday now), and she continues to have a good first week. Take care……. June Darlin’

70 Days until Spring Training!!!
Can’t wait for our boys to start playing!!!
Hopefully our young guns will all be staying!!!
Can’t wait for our boys to start playing!!!
70 Days until Spring Training!!!

I wanted to get into the discussion we had started about Mike Piazza and the HOF. He is going in as a Met and, I wanted to say that if it weren’t for Tommy Lasorda being a friend of the family and taking a chance on him, he’d be nothing. I like Mike a lot and, I will always think of him as a Dodger.

We shouldn’t sign any Type A free agents (Sabathia, Hudson) or resign Manny, I’d rather trust Logan White and his team of scouts to use the draft picks wisely than Ned Coletti to use any money properly.

I was locked out again!!! nsblues – I played the clip from that movie on Saturday night when we were in full time warp mode. It is one of those cult classics that I love to watch. I was telling dodger4life that I had a friend in highschool who’s brother went to the movies dressed up like the characters. It was pretty fun to watch him transform into those characters. Anyhow, that song is very appropriate for this particular ITD time warp.

Good morning/afternoon ITD boys and girls!
Okay, I can see that this problem hasn’t been fixed yet. And I’m not entirely sure if this’ll post in PST (11:45 AM) or MST (12:45 PM). There’s only one way to find out… Here it goes…

LMAO!!!!! nsblues – That would definitely be an awkward situation – too funny!!!!! I listened to the soundtrack every time I went over to my friends house, so I knew most of the songs pretty well when it came out in a television format years later. I have never been to a live movie version ethier, but I would like to some day just to say I did.

Hey NSB! I see you’re still in the time warp! At least I’ve haven’t been having the same problems for a couple of days now. Today I’m in PST and yesterday I was in PST. But Friday, Saturday, and Sunday are different stories! I was being moved from PST to MST quite often. But I could hand the time changes, as long as I don’t get the submission errors where I couldn’t even post!

Hey Nelly!!! Now I can see that you’ve been going back and forth!!! Perhaps you’re right; Maybe they don’t want us talking to each other! But yes, we will always find a way to talk! I saw earlier that AmyW was here for a short time. I still feel bad that I wasn’t able to answer her right away the other day. Judging by her comment, I don’t think she’s mad at me, but you know me, I want EVERYONE to like me! But unfortunately, life doesn’t work like that (it is now 12:15 PST)…

I never got the chance to see the movie live, but I like it the way it is. Talking back is fun, but I think the movie stands pretty well on its own. Me and my girlfriend spent last night singing RHPS songs at random. Some of those songs are among the most beautifully written songs to come out of the 70’s. “There’s a Light” is probably one of my favorite all time songs, within and without the context of the movie.

Plus, I couldn’t do the whole dress up thing. Had a chance to see the play, but decided against it, as it would’ve involved me seeing my editor-in-chief prancing about in her underpants (not for lack of her inviting us). Definitely would’ve made monday morning awkward. “so… um… nice underpants.”

From the look of things, i dont see us adding big contracts….eventhough we have another 35 mil coming off the books next year..what will our payroll be this year?..75 mil?…Mr. Colletti seems to me you either have your hands tied or your a complete mo*on..

Hey CP!!! I have been going back and forth this whole time, so it will only be a matter of time before I am back on mountain time and then locked out. I thought nsblues was one of the chosen ones and not touched by the time warp, but I guess that’s not the case anymore. I think Ward Dear/Dodgereric is the only one left that has not been affected by the time warp, if I am not mistaken.

…..like now – LMAO!!!!!!! Oh my goodness!!!! This is ridiculous!!! Please help us!!!! Maybe they don’t want us talking to each other. Maybe this is their way of shutting us up, but we will find a way, won’t we?

I understand the Hall is supposed to be for the Greatest of all time, but lets be honest…it is not…Was Tony Perez one of the greatest…No….Orlando Cepeda…No….Phil Freakin Rizzuto…No..

So in reality it is for great accomlishments and longevity…Tommy John won 288 games the most of any pitcher not in the Hall….that is an extraordinary accomplisment and considering that he won 164 games or so after the ligament replacement is phenomenal feat….3 time 20 game winner and a lifetime 3.34 ERA….The problem with tommy is he was not a flamethrower and he gave up hits and runners but he knew how to pitch when the game was on the line…I felt very confident when he was with the Dodgers that they would win when he was on the mound….

I do agree with you Eric on Garvey, I wish he would make it, but his numbers will not support it…He did not hit enough homers to justify the Hall and left 300 plus hits short of 3000….

Rams, I’d comment on the HOF, but I don’t want to lose my dnelly laughtrack………

“Pardon me, lady”, said the man trying to get back to his seat in the darkened movie theater, “but did I step on your toes a few minutes ago?”
“You certainly did!!”, said the woman in the aisle seat.
“Good, then I’m in the right row!”

Maybe our blog is now run through the phonelines that Bill and Ted use for their phonebooth?

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