Friday, April 17, 2015

Why are these murderous invaders being permitted to enter the West at all? Who is under any illusion that they will behave any differently once they possess the sort of power they presently have in the lands they are trying to escape?

Muslims who were among migrants trying to get from Libya to Italy in a boat this week threw 12 fellow passengers overboard -- killing them -- because the 12 were Christians, Italian police said Thursday. Italian authorities have arrested 15 people on suspicion of murdering the Christians at sea, police in Palermo, Sicily, said.

If the first ten invading ships had been sunk, none of this would be happening now. There are problems that will go away in time. This is not one of them. This is the sort that is absolutely guaranteed to get worse, the longer it goes unaddressed.

Ohh, and the Catholic Church is helping in our own destruction! They are so pro-immigration. I just got banned from Catholic Answers Forum for talking about Race and their definition of "racism". They don't know their head from a whole in the ground. I also proved that there was an error in Lumen Gentium saying we need to "end the separation of people". The Tower of Babel refutes that; God's Will is that the races remain separate! The Church is in apostasy over "racism". It is following Cultural Marxism.

This is the end of the Doctrine of the "Magisterium" and the Doctrine of Papal Infallibility.

Vox may be rising in the publishing world but Wheeler will be right there with him."

Every king needs a jester, eh? Except that Wheeler isn't wrong.....the church is in apostasy over racism. And following cultural marxism rather closely. Or at least most of the churches here in the U.S. seem to be.

Vox. The problem is Christians who don't believe the gospel. The problem with Islam is not that there are radical prejudicial types in its midst. The problem with Islam is that it is untrue.Stupefied by relativism is killing people. Moral cultural relativism is killing people.Things that Jesus said are not optional extras in Christendom.

I want to give a really brief example. "Honour your mother and father that your days may be long" This is also a commentary on culture/ heritage. The corollary is cultural genocide and children who won't live long enough for their own children to have those same choices. Brevity is when you want to avoid sophistry. thanks

With every fresh boatload, every new knockout game incident, mugging or rape come new potential allies in the struggle against our nation wrecking judeo-capitalist overlords. I say potential because we have seen too many victims fail to connect their plight with our governments' pro subhuman migration policies. Propaganda has worked well for their side.

The original group of 105 people left Libya on Tuesday in a rubber boat. Sometime during the trip north across the Mediterranean Sea, the alleged assailants -- Muslims from the Ivory Coast, Mali and Senegal -- threw the 12 overboard, police said.

I noted the Pope is also hosting a UN Climate Change summit. As a Catholic, I'm discouraged over the direction of the Church. Of course, the more the Church placed women with sociology degrees in key positions, I knew it would be in decline. It won't be long before the pews will be filled with fuzzy feel good women and messages of diversity, while the men will shed the shell of what use to be a strong beacon of faith for two thousand years.

My Protestant brothers express the same sentiments and we've taken to form our own Bible study and prayer groups.

Rest in peace, brothers. In these times of the end, it isn't possible to flee persecution if you are Christian. You will be oppressed and persecuted, sooner or later, wherever you are or wherever you "escape" to. Facing this is a test of faith in Jesus Christ. As for those lamenting the further corruption of the Christendom wing of the Whore of Babylon, why? It was always part of of Satan's system, and to believe otherwise is to be led astray. The Catholic church was never anything but an affront to God, and a continuation of Paganism under the guise of Christianity. A wolf is still a wolf no matter how many sheep skins it hides under.

I saw this article the other day. My thoughts exactly. If public opinion in Italy and the rest of Europe is turning, at what point will the average people start objecting in mass to the point that the government will start turning away these ships of invaders? What form would turning away these ships take? I can't see them sinking ships any time soon. Forcing them back or rounding up illegal migrants in detention centers before expelling them maybe.

Pay unwed mothers to remediate their poverty and you get MORE unwed mothers and MORE babies raised without fathers.

Pay those in poverty to ameliorate their condition and you get MORE people in poverty requiring amelioration of their condition.

Save people who are endangered by trying to get into your country and you open the floodgates to an invasion.

Set up schools to feed, clothe, and educate Spanish-speaking kids flowing over your borders to ameliorate their otherwise desperate condition and watch as entire schools, neighborhoods, even towns and cities turn into the very 3rd world slums from which those "kids" arrived.

We subsidize sloth, irresponsibility and immorality and shockingly, we get robust growth in these sectors.

Meanwhile we punish/tax marriage, responsibility and hard work and get less of them.

The latter group is obviously what subsidizes the former, so I assume that as the latter group shrinks, there is an intersection of the two curves where the whole thing pops. Question is how close are we to that intersection?

The latter group is obviously what subsidizes the former, so I assume that as the latter group shrinks, there is an intersection of the two curves where the whole thing pops. Question is how close are we to that intersection?

That's an interesting question. The answer is somewhere near the point where it is more economically advantageous to be on welfare programs for a majority of the working age population (the intersection) is where the ship tips over and rapidly sinks. It will probably continue to float for a while after the intersection, but it cannot continue for long because of the perverse incentives created.

As to how close we are, the employment population ratio and 47% of the total population living on gov't handouts suggests we're very damned close, but I can't quantify it in terms of how much time we have left.

Yes, the change may be quite sudden. It's not a linear relationship. As membership of the sponge class grows, so the pressure increases on the productive population, forcing those on the lower end to drop off and join those taking handouts, thus increasing pressure on the remaining productive folks. Kinda reminds me of a slow-motion squeezing a plutonium core to criticality, with possibly similar results.

BigGaySteve April 16, 2015 11:38 PM who would be able to afford a $180 fee a conservative/libertarian or someone that votes for more free stuff paid for by productive citizens. Even tranny prostitutes can afford 4 packs of cigs"

Please share your knowledge of this underreported demographic & how you acquired it.

Your thoughts are very feminine. That is to be commended. But the number of European men who have been vibrantly enriched once too often is growing everyday; who would meet your feminine concern about the well-treatment of these invaders with dead-eyed stares. Wanna know what those mohammedans probably felt as they threw the Christians overboard? Joy at the demise of their enemies.

ONE Problem: AFRICA FOR THE AFRICANS, ASIA FOR THE ASIANS, WHITE COUNTRIES FOR EVERYBODY??

That is the crime. It is white Genocide. IT is state violence. Politicians past and present must be held accountable. 'Just obeying orders' is not an excuse.

Do you wish to spend the rest of your life supporting swarms of non-citizens streaming across our orders and voting for you to give them more of your earnings?

Translation: The state hides behind its guns and use of force while it avoids accountability to the population for the creation of multiculturalism, White genocide and state over-reach into everything.

These are the same people who rioted because they were sick of (free) spaghetti given to them at their welfare centers. Maybe European men will wake up before their dying civilization is destroyed by these barbarians. I certainly hope so.

"The latter group is obviously what subsidizes the former, so I assume that as the latter group shrinks, there is an intersection of the two curves where the whole thing pops. Question is how close are we to that intersection?"

The endgame is for the welfare class to eventually yield enough power to the political class that the political class no longer needs their vote. Once we reach that point, the welfare class is finished. There really is no outcome in which things end well for them.

If you believe in the inerrancy of scripture, which I understand that some people do not, everyone at the time of the tower of Babel, and the scattering of the people would have been pretty much the same color and race.--That is just looking at the dates of each. David Down dates the flood at 2302 BCE and the tower of Babel dispersion at 2201. BCE Floyd Nolen Jones placed the year of the flood at 2348 BCE. and the beginning of Nimrod's kingdom at 2182. Either date, only provides for roughly 200 years between the flood and the tower of Babel.

Even if you believe in evolution, which, admittedly, I don't. Two hundred years is not enough time to change the frequency of alleles into distinct races. There wasn't any selection mechanism, until after the dispersion. God explained, by Inspiration of the written word, by the prophet Moses, exactly why He caused the dispersion. It has nothing to do with race. He causes them to be divided by languages, due to their work on the tower of Babel.

"That is to be commended. But the number of European men who have been vibrantly enriched once too often is growing everyday; who would meet your feminine concern about the well-treatment of these invaders with dead-eyed stares. Wanna know what those mohammedans probably felt as they threw the Christians overboard? Joy at the demise of their enemies."

Well we are how God made us. Yeah I understand what your saying. I have a hard time thinking that sinking the ships is a "good" and necessary thing to do above all other options. Violence is normally quite revolting to me unless warranted by specific actions (like self-defense against a specific aggressor). However, I do understand what you are saying and agree. If it's necessary to stop the invasion then so be it. Mainly I was wondering if the Italians and other European populations are really ready to turn the corner and resort to sinking ships or even just expelling them in mass through detention centers and turning away ships. I mean, if they aren't even detaining and expelling these people yet, how can one say that the population is ready to resort to sinking ships yet? A lot of talk and some civil unrest but the political will doesn't seem to be there yet. I would like to see the natives become truly restless.

Reading that woman's dreck gave me a chuckle when I misread "therapist" as "the rapist". These folks will rape you mentally and leave you permanently fucked up. They see crazy everywhere because they look at life through a crazy lens.

"I mean, if they aren't even detaining and expelling these people yet, how can one say that the population is ready to resort to sinking ships yet? A lot of talk and some civil unrest but the political will doesn't seem to be there yet."

Yes, the change may be quite sudden. It's not a linear relationship. As membership of the sponge class grows, so the pressure increases on the productive population, forcing those on the lower end to drop off and join those taking handouts, thus increasing pressure on the remaining productive folks.

In the meantime: Work harder, millions on welfare are depending on you.

The Australians figured out how to avoid this. When the more conservative party was elected, the Aussie navy was told to intercept the boats, make sure no one was in distress, then tow the boats back to their origin. Cut the rope half a mile or so offshore.

They did it three times. There have been no boats, none, zero since and it's been well over a year.

The Australians figured out how to avoid this. When the more conservative party was elected, the Aussie navy was told to intercept the boats, make sure no one was in distress, then tow the boats back to their origin. Cut the rope half a mile or so offshore.

They did it three times. There have been no boats, none, zero since and it's been well over a year.

I've been fingerprinted as well as had some sort of iris-photo/scan on entering the US, as an ordinary business traveller. Two different occasions. As I recall, it looked like everyone entering got processed the same way. So it looks like Russia is catching up in that downhill race.

Why waste more time griping about welfare rats? How long before you focus on those who keep letting subhumans in? That is the core problem. The blackis and Pakis who get jobs are not much better. They are taking jobs from whites and driving down wages. Jew infiltrators here and elsewhere love to distract you from who has destroyed our nations.

"How did 15 people kill 12 people without taking any losses? Those are fairly close odds."

Mohamads greatest victory came from breaking a peace treaty in the middle of the night. People have to sleep sometime & Christian hospitality is how moslems got as far as they did, come in get your feet washed as a stranger then act after they go to sleep. Taqiyya means they can pretend to be friends and stab you in the back. Moslems are the reason for superstitions about strangers in black at night. Remember Epic Beard Man turn around just in time to block a sucker punch but as soon as he hit the thug in the face the thug begged for mercy but EB was not that stupid.

It would be far better if they didn't care about dead Christians instead of fantasizing about it. The left is held together by their H8 of STR8 WHITE CHURCH GOING MEN who are responsible for all of the evils in the world. Victimology sermons come with the free kool aid.

" & how you acquired it" ~There are plenty of them around gay bars, but being 6' tall and a top I could always do better.

It all makes sense if you drop the crazy notion that Jorge Bergoglio is actually the bona fide Pope of the Catholic Church. The SJW entryists took over its structures back when they elected John XXIII, who then made Paul VI a cardinal and called Vatican II.

It would be far better if they didn't care about dead Christians instead of fantasizing about it. The left is held together by their H8 of STR8 WHITE CHURCH GOING MEN who are responsible for all of the evils in the world.

"He is someone outside the scope of psychotherapy." "I ...hold a license to practice in the state of Missouri. My “day job” is as a psychotherapist in my own practice, and I have specialized over the last ten years on issues of poverty, trauma, and personality disorders, with a lot of depression and anxiety thrown in. "

She is so stupid she thinks by saying she isn't going to analyze you only to say you are too insane to analyze, and thinks a couple weasel words "I am not going to try to diagnose anyone" will get her out of a willful HIPAA violation.https://www.hipaa.com/the-reality-of-hipaa-violations-and-enforcement/http://www.hhs.gov/ocr/privacy/hipaa/complaints/ While anyone can file a complaint it would be best if it was someone that could make a physical visit to the offices & play phone tag with low IQ affirmative action tokens that don't want to do their job, along with her state board.

•The fine for a first time infringement by someone who did not know they violated HIPAA could be as low as $100 or as high as $50,000.She certainly can claim stupidity for not knowing but it is a willful violation.A Privacy Rule infraction can be considered criminal and may lead to prosecution by the Department of Justice if someone deliberately acquires or discloses a person’s health information; the fine is $50,000 and up to one year in jail.

"Ohh, and the Catholic Church is helping in our own destruction! They are so pro-immigration. I just got banned from Catholic Answers Forum for talking about Race and their definition of "racism". They don't know their head from a whole in the ground. I also proved that there was an error in Lumen Gentium saying we need to "end the separation of people". The Tower of Babel refutes that; God's Will is that the races remain separate! The Church is in apostasy over "racism". It is following Cultural Marxism."

Not really a surprise. CAF is full of anti-Catholic SJWs. The people who could actually be considered Catholic are usually heavily-deluded (e.g. blue pill).

"How did 15 people kill 12 people without taking any losses?" Conjecture: Of the fifteen muzzlemen, two were male jihadi; of the twelve christian, two were adult males. The two Christian men were stabbed in their sleep (as BGSteve said above) while thirteen moderate muzzlems did nothing. Women and children are incidental when being killed by adult men. There may actually have been eleven Christians on board the ship and one muzzlum who objected - he would have been declared an apostate and an an honorary Christian and sent for the same swim. The odds were not 15 to 12,it was more likely two evil men against two sleeping men, because only the adult males matter in a fight like that. (Sorry River.)

Anyhow, i am in favor of sinking all the refugee vessels and of burning the ports from which they sail. Hain't no living christians among them anyhow. Vatican doesn't have a navy, so this calls for some classical pirate work.

"It is a damn shame he will be spending eternity writhing in the fires of hell." ~there are people that think Mother Teresa will be there, while MCC and the Temple of the Bacon Eating GRINDR Rabbi say gays won't"

Maybe I will have a death bed conversion. Like those sluts that reclaim their virginity by douching in holy water. If longevity is genetic I might be riding ATV four wheelers in my 80's. At that point if I am not still with my current BF and not a billionaire (in pre 2008 dollars).I probably won't be able to get guys that I am attracted to, so I might as well go STR8.

When a cool supervisor at a place I worked the weekend option(2 shifts a week for 5 days pay) got a job somewhere else and was replaced by a micromanaging, gossipy, nosey, busybody, who was catholic until a co worker divorced her & she acted like me signing up to work 2 Christmases in a row was the biggest problem in the world . Knowing she already was envious of my 5 days off a week(that she wouldn't give up her weekend nights for) I said "I consider working Christmas to be a present to my co workers with small kids, I still have 16hours in the day to celebrate which is less than Mother Teresa who worked with the sick every day of the week including holidays and I can guarantee I will spend more money on unnecessary things than Mother Teresa ever did."

W.LindsayWheeler Ohh, and the Catholic Church is helping in our own destruction! They are so pro-immigration. I just got banned from Catholic Answers Forum for talking about Race and their definition of "racism".

Catholic Answers is not the Catholic Church, nor are they spokesmen for it. It is simply somebody's blog with all that person's biases.

For a real understanding of the Church's teachings on race, judaism, etc. read The Plot Against the Church, by Maurice Pinay.

Vox,question: You are the man in charge of an armed coast guard vessel. You have authority to do as you please, including sink the boat with 250 illegal immigrants aboard. They include men, women and children of all ages.What do you do?

It's an honest question. I am asking myself the same thing and I am not sure. I would try to turn them back but if that is not possible then what? Do you kill all of them?On reflection I think my solution would be to take children under 10 and their mothers only. And forcibly baptise them. Men not allowed. They turn back or they get sunk. Even then I don't know if I could sleep at night.

I am asking because whenever dealing with macro-results I also think it's important to think how you would act as the tip of the spear.I am curious as to your answer to this if you feel like sharing it.

>Who is under any illusion that they will behave any differently once they possess the sort of power they presently have in the lands they are trying to escape?

Do we know that this is the primary intention for the sorts of refugees who also murder Christian refugees? I'm thinking we might have a great deal more intentional jihadis coming West nowadays. It would be nice if someone with an inside scoop would weigh in with some approximate numbers.

In any case, I agree we need to shoot the boats down, because it's either now or later and now would be less bad. They get to shore, they're gonna start popping out kids that'll get caught up in our mess.

>It's an honest question. I am asking myself the same thing and I am not sure. I would try to turn them back but if that is not possible then what? Do you kill all of them?On reflection I think my solution would be to take children under 10 and their mothers only. And forcibly baptise them. Men not allowed. They turn back or they get sunk. Even then I don't know if I could sleep at night.

You aren't going to like war very much. It's going to be a mess.

When the Israelites invaded Canaan, God told them to destroy some tribes partially- forcibly assimilating the women and children- and some completely. That meant every woman, child, cow and chicken.

What a joke. Where they're going, they won't need money. Mass immigration of this sort means the end of Italians: racially, religiously, culturally and in every other way.

"Ninety percent of the cost of the patrol and sea rescue operations are falling on our shoulders, and we have not had an adequate response from the EU," he [Foreign Minister Paolo Gentiloni] told the Italian daily Corriere della Sera, adding that the EU was only spending three million euros a month on its Operation Triton sea patrols.

Give us more money to make the boat-path to Italy smoother -- that will help things.

That sentence is idiotic. At best. The alternative is it's satanic.Do you know anyone sane that would "enjoy war" very much?Do you even have any clue what that kind of total war is like?

There are situations when blowing away kids can be excused (i.e. WW2 when fanatical Nazi youth were active armed combatants, or maybe some hell-hole in Africa where again, brainwashed and traumatised kids are de facto armed combatants) but no God of mine wants even those kids blown away. Doing so would be my human failing and I'd live with the consequences.

But blowing away kids that are just unfortunate enough to have been born in circumstances that would make them enemies, but before they actually ARE armed combatants?No. Not doing that.

You drew an unwarranted implication. I'm not going to like war much myself, no, and I don't have intimate knowledge of the business. That said, I'm not a complete stranger to violence or impossible situations, so I can remember the mental shift.

The fact is that in 4GW any mass immigration is tantamount to invasion and any immigrant therein is already a combatant, whether we like it or not. These kids would be less dangerous to Europeass if they were wearing suicide vests, because they are being used purposefully to outnumber and displace the native population.

"But blowing away kids that are just unfortunate enough to have been born in circumstances that would make them enemies, but before they actually ARE armed combatants? No. Not doing that."

Nits make lice. The best people at closing the achievement gap in human history are the 137 teachers arrested in Atlanta for altering tests, but they still couldn't pull off egalitarianism. http://stuffblackpeopledontlike.blogspot.com/2012/07/down-memory-hole-atlanta-public-school.html

Aeoli,Fair enough, so if my implication was unwarranted, are you saying you A) would sink the ship with all aboard and sleep well (in which case my implication was spot on)B) would sink the ship and have nightmares about it but you think that is the right thing to do (in which case ok, my implication was unwarranted and due to how I interpreted your phrasing)C) something else?