What a ride!!.......Hindsight is 20-20, but I remember thinking that losing 7 of our last 11 regular season games to finish 1 point behind SJ for the 2 seed might come back to bite us in the arse.........maybe it did..............game 7 at the Joe would have been a trip.

We didn't bet because I didn't want you to lose your 3 month old account name and come right back under a different one. You basically had nothing to lose. If you throw enough horse s*** against the side of a barn, some of it is likely to stick. Just like the accuracy of your insipid predictions.

Things are different nowadays. The training is better and the use of all sorts of enchacment (even steroids and stimulants) has increased. I also don't count players who have injuries. Everyone of those players mentioned are at least almost twenty years older than Ilari Filppula, whose body declining and potential was the original subject (after Zenon Konopka of course).

A feeble attempt at defending a weak position. For someone who wanted to "just drop it", you're having real trouble letting this one go. Sometimes silence is golden.

I was talking about players having still potential after 28 being possible. You don't agree with that?

Where did I say like that? Maybe you should read my posts again - if you even did so in the first place. The other guy here said that players body starts to decline "shortly after" 30. I said it's closer to 35 than 30.

Closer to 35? Ahh, I see, in Finland that logically makes you more correct than "shortly after 30". Thanks for the clarification Einstein.

WTF is wrong with you people? Shouldn't you want Yzerman to be successful? If he's successful in Tampa and proves his competence at being a GM, that means there's a greater chance that when Holland retires, there could be an opening for him to be GM of THIS team. I wouldn't want him running this team if he can't run Tampa Bay. The margin for error in Detroit is smaller than Lindsay Lohan's chances of staying sober. So that means if he needs to take some people WITH THE ORGANIZATION'S PERMISSION down to Tampa to help him do his job there, I'm not going to argue. Because if they have no problem with it, what the hell are all of you crying for?

For God's sakes, stop it. Just stop it.

Have to disagree here. If a situation such as this happened (as it does everyday) outside the sports world, management of any company losing a key employee to a competitor would wish no success to the company the leaving employee went to if said success occurred at any expense at all to their company. I would assume that the defections of the capologist, Verbeek or any other employees from Detroit to Tampa would at even a miniscule level be detrimental to the success of the Wings (or else why would they be employed by Detroit?), and as a fan, this has to be of concern. Those mentioned at this point might play only minor roles within the organization, but at what level would it concern you? A more prominent scout? An assistant coach? Other VP's? Fact of the matter is, the success of the Wings always trumps everything else........and that includes any success or "good wishes" to Steve Yzerman or Tampa Bay.

Why does anybody even acknowledge this pinhead? Using an analogy, it's not possible to be a fan of both the Buckeyes and the Wolverines..........you can't be a fan of both the Celtics and the Lakers.........you can't be a fan of both the Yankees and the Red Sox.........and, therefore, with what's developed over the past few years, you can't be a fan of both the Redwings and the Penguins (do any of you know of any others Carmen's that exist?). Anybody who says they're a Redwings fan yet has such manlove for Crysby and the Pens is a troll who merely posts to incite the regulars on this board. It's called being an attention *****.

The next time the Redwings lose a series because the other team was better or simply just outplayed them will be the first time according to some of you conspiracy theorists. No wonder the Wings fan base is among the most hated in the league.