U.S.—In a candid new interview, former President Bill Clinton commented Friday on the recent revelation that Vice President Mike Pence refuses to dine alone with women who are not his wife, saying the strict guidelines are “ridiculous” and “excessive.”

“The only woman he’ll spend time alone with is his wife? Come on, that’s way over the top,” Clinton said. “I think we powerful men should be able to get away with a little one-on-one time with a cute coworker without making a move. What are we, savages?”

Voicing his disdain for the so-called “Billy Graham rule” employed by Pence, Clinton went on to say that he does adhere to the more realistic “Jimmy Swaggart rule,” wherein he makes it a point to never tell his wife when he is going to be alone with other women.