Great review Matt.I’m not a Haken fan (I only have the first two albums) but since they’ll be touring here w Leprous in just a few weeks I might as well check out the new disc and your review pushed me into the “alright, let’s order it” camp

Very nice album - so glad I bought the version that comes with the instrumental bonus disc as the vocalist by far is this bands downfall ... with a different singer I think I would love them, for now I just like them.

introclaus wrote:Very nice album - so glad I bought the version that comes with the instrumental bonus disc as the vocalist by far is this bands downfall ... with a different singer I think I would love them, for now I just like them.

This is me. Haken's singer annoys the shit out of me.

You won't find a tighter band than Haken - that I will NOT deny. That doesn't mean they're interesting.

Here I'm really talking about Vector, which *someone* urged me to check out. If it clicks with you, I suspect it crushes your skull. It leaves me scratching my head. If you think about Haken's arc, I don't know how you can argue that they've not backed themselves into a corner. What do they do - get heavier? Not really possible.

And again, Ross is simply too light in the loafers to front this band. For me, it simply doesn't work.

He doesn’t necessarily “annoy the shit out of me” as Sparky so eloquently put it, but Ross is one of those singers that clearly was a friend of someone in the band, just like that kid in kindergarten when they were all out of tambourines and the sole thing that was left to do was singing he was the only one raising his hand and immediately became everyone’s best friend because now at least they didn’t have to embarrass themselves.

Either way, as much shit as LaBrie has taken over the years it seems odd that with Haken we here have a band that obviously have the chops, write good songs and clearly have made enough of an impact to be viewed as the biggest new prog metal act of recent years, yet the singer is not even remotely on the same level as the rest of the band and no one same to care!?! Those people who complained for years about LaBrie should complain even harder about this dude ... Strange strange strange!

How fun would it be if Anne Robinson one day stopped by the bands rehearsal space to have a chat with the dude?

introclaus wrote:He doesn’t necessarily “annoy the shit out of me” as Sparky so eloquently put it, but Ross is one of those singers that clearly was a friend of someone in the band, just like that kid in kindergarten when they were all out of tambourines and the sole thing that was left to do was singing he was the only one raising his hand and immediately became everyone’s best friend because now at least they didn’t have to embarrass themselves.

Either way, as much shit as LaBrie has taken over the years it seems odd that with Haken we here have a band that obviously have the chops, write good songs and clearly have made enough of an impact to be viewed as the biggest new prog metal act of recent years, yet the singer is not even remotely on the same level as the rest of the band and no one same to care!?! Those people who complained for years about LaBrie should complain even harder about this dude ... Strange strange strange!

How fun would it be if Anne Robinson one day stopped by the bands rehearsal space to have a chat with the dude?

LaBrie is good, excellent even, when he's doing things other than DT. DT doesn't write for LaBrie's strengths. It seems like they write to spite him. It took me a good number of years to recognize this situation.

I can understand not liking Ross, but the "out of tambourines" line is uh...that's a nope from me. On Aquarius he hadn't quite figured out what was up, but he's gotten significantly better every album.

LaBrie is good, excellent even, when he's doing things other than DT. DT doesn't write for LaBrie's strengths. It seems like they write to spite him. It took me a good number of years to recognize this situation.

*** I'm going to disagree with this.... but this is a Haken post, so I'm stopping here.

I can understand not liking Ross, but the "out of tambourines" line is uh...that's a nope from me. On Aquarius he hadn't quite figured out what was up, but he's gotten significantly better every album.

***This I absolutely agree with ....... I remember when I first talked about Aquarius, the first thing I said was, " the singer could be better" ..... Fast forward to Prog Power, when Haken played the entire "Visions" show...... not only was it a magical show, Ross was on point and nailed it all. He has come a long way - and at this point, I cannot hear another voice fronting Haken.

I absolutely love Haken. And one of the main reasons is the voice of Ross Jennings. Everyone has an opinion on what kind of vocalist would best suit an individual band, for me I just love the smooth delivery of his voice and something about it makes me want more. I don’t listen to the instrumental only discs because I find myself adding Ross’ parts in my mind. Make no mistake I would still like the band if they were instrumental only because they are indeed tighter than a gnats ass, but with Jennings they stand out as my favorite band at this time. Wouldn’t want anyone else fronting this band! And by the way, I love Vector. The drums on this are beyond incredible.

RickyRock wrote:I absolutely love Haken. And one of the main reasons is the voice of Ross Jennings. Everyone has an opinion on what kind of vocalist would best suit an individual band, for me I just love the smooth delivery of his voice and something about it makes me want more. I don’t listen to the instrumental only discs because I find myself adding Ross’ parts in my mind. Make no mistake I would still like the band if they were instrumental only because they are indeed tighter than a gnats ass, but with Jennings they stand out as my favorite band at this time. Wouldn’t want anyone else fronting this band! And by the way, I love Vector. The drums on this are beyond incredible.

This!

Drums are sick on here!

Singers can be quite polarizing, but Ross has really gotten so much better over the years. He was just ok early forme, but now I’m with you, I don’t want another singer fronting Haken. The last couple of times I saw Haken live, Ross was incredible! As was the entire band.

For my money, Haken is the best thing going in prog right now. The playing is ridicules. Every record is different and quite interesting (Sparky you lost your mind on this one :p).

Vector is a killer release! It just needed one more epic to be perfect. Or maybe I’m just spoiled from them putting out 70 min records?

I want to like this band so bad. I've tried for a long time, but the vocals are like nails on a chalkboard to me. Similar situation with Leprous, for some reason the vocals just don't work for me. As Todd said, vocals are very polarizing and very personal. I can't explain why I like Geddy Lee & John Arch, yet can't do Haken or Leprous. In the early days I liked Labrie, but he gets on my nerves today too. It sucks, because I do recognize that Haken and Leprous are the new prog superstars and I'm missing out.

I don't own any physical discs, but I've heard a little of the Mountain, a lot of Affinity, and have spinning Vector for a few days. The musicianship is certainly stellar. As for the vocals, I'm with those who aren't thrilled with them. I think his tone is clean and pure, but also lacks power. My favorite singers tend to be dramatically powerful. They can sing melodically but with BIG BALLS. Like Dickinson, Dio, or Warrel Dane. But I really like how integrated the layered vocals are on the Affinity album.

I've tried to get into Leprous but the vocals make me cringe. I literally couldn't stand them for long. That helps my appreciation of Haken, because Ross sounds pleasant in comparison.

Nevertheless, all these opinions could change in 24 hours as I'm seeing the first show of the Haken/Leprous tour tonight!!!

Nevertheless, all these opinions could change in 24 hours as I'm seeing the first show of the Haken/Leprous tour tonight!!!

ENJOY!!!! I REALLY thought about coming up for this one (my in-laws live in Lake Orion, about 15 minutes from the venue) but I have had multiple work trips already this month and couldn't really justify being out of town AGAIN......

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Digital Man wrote:I want to like this band so bad. I've tried for a long time, but the vocals are like nails on a chalkboard to me. Similar situation with Leprous, for some reason the vocals just don't work for me. As Todd said, vocals are very polarizing and very personal. I can't explain why I like Geddy Lee & John Arch, yet can't do Haken or Leprous. In the early days I liked Labrie, but he gets on my nerves today too. It sucks, because I do recognize that Haken and Leprous are the new prog superstars and I'm missing out.

My girlfriend is trying to get into the more metal side of prog(being a huge Marillion fan because of her parents and then finding Anathema,Riverside then Kingcrow)Fates,Redemption and Evergrey are hits because the vocals.She is trying to desperately get into Haken and Leprous as she plans on coming down to fla to see me(and see this show)I'm pleasantly surprised Haken hasnt turned her off(in started her out with Afinity so probably that's why)and she can tolerate Ross' vox (favorite songs are the songs most hate here like Red Giant,lol)Unfortunately Leprous is a lost cause,hates the vox(yet I think they have a really cool unique style that fits the music as well)

But you are so right about voxI'm the outlier here that cant stand Arch yet loves every style Devin Townsend has.

Paul of the Hills wrote:As for the vocals, I'm with those who aren't thrilled with them. I think his tone is clean and pure, but also lacks power. My favorite singers tend to be dramatically powerful. They can sing melodically but with BIG BALLS. Like Dickinson, Dio, or Warrel Dane. But I really like how integrated the layered vocals are on the Affinity album.

At this point this is the same thing that I lament about Ross' vocals. He doesn't have an explosive power of any sort that we've seen. He's just consistently nice (pure and clear are exactly the words I use for his tone as well). I kind of long for a bit of that Emeril style BAM every so often.

Sparky wrote:Said it before, and I'll say it again: I can marvel/giggle at how obscenely tight a brand is without being the least bit interested in what they're doing.

Certainly. It just surprises me you're not into them.

"It leaves me scratching my head. If you think about Haken's arc, I don't know how you can argue that they've not backed themselves into a corner."

This makes me scratch my head. They have done something at least somewhat different with each release. They can do whatever they want at this point. Band is mega talented. i'm sure they will come up with something. Canvas is blank really.

Mardoch wrote:At this point this is the same thing that I lament about Ross' vocals. He doesn't have an explosive power of any sort that we've seen. He's just consistently nice (pure and clear are exactly the words I use for his tone as well). I kind of long for a bit of that Emeril style BAM every so often.

We've been listening to the new Haken and the new Seventh Wonder back to back in the office for a bit now (one of the guys I work with reviews for the Prog Mind, so we sometimes get to hear review copies early). I think it's interesting that people complain about Ross's vocals lacking power, but nobody ever complains about Tommy, who also has a very clean voice. I definitely prefer Tommy over Ross, but it's because of his God-given tone coupled with the techniques he uses. One of those he can control (techniques), and one of those he can't (the voice he was born with).

Do you think some of the problem people see with Ross is his straight delivery? Because that's basically what he does: he hits notes straight, without any embellishment. It's almost like his voice is a sample played by pressing a key on a keyboard. It's very pure, and he never sounds like he's struggling (like LaBrie), but it's just very straight.

sez wrote:Do you think some of the problem people see with Ross is his straight delivery? Because that's basically what he does: he hits notes straight, without any embellishment. It's almost like his voice is a sample played by pressing a key on a keyboard. It's very pure, and he never sounds like he's struggling (like LaBrie), but it's just very straight.

I think that's a pretty fair assessment. Not much drama in Ross' delivery whereas I find Tommy delivers a good bit of it.

Yeah, we're getting into a singer debate - I love it ......... but to be honest, we are talking about two completely different singer styles. I agree with everything that everyone has said here - but the difference between the two is definitely the delivery. Tommy, with the dramatic / melodic style that just melts - and Ross, with the monotone, just bring the words to the front........

I also think that the difference is the music --- Seventh Wonder being the dramatic, heartwarming style of music - and Haken being the more technical, less melodic style that doesn't need a dramatic singer approach ....... That's the difference to me ......

That said -- I never thought that Russ was a great singer - but, seeing him perform the entire "Visions" set at Prog Power, made me a believer that he is the guy for this band........ I couldn't believe how good he was at that show ........again, not my favorite singer, but for this band - he is excellent.........

They played here Wednesday ... Bent Knee was great, Leprous was mindblowingly amazing (best I’ve ever seen them), left before Haken as I just couldn’t imagine making it through an hour+ of that vocalist ...

Just to throw in a couple of pennies here, having seen the Haken\Leprous gig in Tampa last night.

Leprous just owned the evening. Flawless. The vocals were just jaw-dropping. Absolutely perfect.

For Haken, I will say that between the two latest releases, I have probably given Vector more play time. I thought the vocals were perfectly fine on the albums. Live...they were not that pleasant. They seemed off frequently. Larry described the delivery as monotone--this can never be a good thing. The instrumental part of the gig was amazing (as was Leprous).

Scott B wrote:Just to throw in a couple of pennies here, having seen the Haken\Leprous gig in Tampa last night.

Leprous just owned the evening. Flawless. The vocals were just jaw-dropping. Absolutely perfect.

For Haken, I will say that between the two latest releases, I have probably given Vector more play time. I thought the vocals were perfectly fine on the albums. Live...they were not that pleasant. They seemed off frequently. Larry described the delivery as monotone--this can never be a good thing. The instrumental part of the gig was amazing (as was Leprous).

Two bands off the bucket list in one night!

Me and Sumeet were there I thought Haken qas quite incredible but Leprous did take it to another level...