Re: It's time for the Saints to move on from Sean Payton and Drew Brees

I think Payton and Loomis should clearly be on the hot seat, but I still don't get the impression that Tom Benson is in a frame of mind to fire them. At his age, and given that he won a Super Bowl with this duo in place, I just don't think he cares about how mediocre we are right now. If we win 4 games or less, maybe it would sound the alarms in his mind a little bit, that it's time to move on.

I would rather we somehow incredibly pulled it all together and went 14-2, but things are what they are, and have been this way for quite some time now. So IF this team continues to be this much of a mess, it would be best to make changes.

I agree with the writer about Loomis kicking the can down the road. That's exactly what he's been doing, and I've argued this with a certain person for a couple of years. It's not a "genius" move to restructure bad deals. That money doesn't disappear, it just gets put to the side and collects more and more debt. He does enough to stay out of the penalty, but leaves no room for us to really address needs. Then, when we have a little money, he and Payton splurge on one guy who invariably busts.

And that dead money? If you take Loomis' strategy and apply it to a real business (not a sports team that makes money without him having to lift a finger) he wouldn't have a job. When you're losing money, you're bad at what you do. But he gets a pass from certain people, because he can hide behind the team profits, which have nothing to do with him, and everything to do with fan support. Meanwhile, however, Loomis is losing money on deals consistently, as he does patchwork to stay under the cap, which is apparently all that matters to some folks.

Re: It's time for the Saints to move on from Sean Payton and Drew Brees

Its time to be looking at the possibilities without Sean Payton but give him the opportunity to end this season maybe he can turn this around. I highly doubt it with Dennis Allen as the defensive coordinator. DA don't have any kind of game plan or idea of what he is doing. Isn't this the 1st time he been a DC?

Re: It's time for the Saints to move on from Sean Payton and Drew Brees

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I think Payton and Loomis should clearly be on the hot seat, but I still don't get the impression that Tom Benson is in a frame of mind to fire them. At his age, and given that he won a Super Bowl with this duo in place, I just don't think he cares about how mediocre we are right now. If we win 4 games or less, maybe it would sound the alarms in his mind a little bit, that it's time to move on.

I would rather we somehow incredibly pulled it all together and went 14-2, but things are what they are, and have been this way for quite some time now. So IF this team continues to be this much of a mess, it would be best to make changes.

I agree with the writer about Loomis kicking the can down the road. That's exactly what he's been doing, and I've argued this with a certain person for a couple of years. It's not a "genius" move to restructure bad deals. That money doesn't disappear, it just gets put to the side and collects more and more debt. He does enough to stay out of the penalty, but leaves no room for us to really address needs. Then, when we have a little money, he and Payton splurge on one guy who invariably busts.

And that dead money? If you take Loomis' strategy and apply it to a real business (not a sports team that makes money without him having to lift a finger) he wouldn't have a job. When you're losing money, you're bad at what you do. But he gets a pass from certain people, because he can hide behind the team profits, which have nothing to do with him, and everything to do with fan support. Meanwhile, however, Loomis is losing money on deals consistently, as he does patchwork to stay under the cap, which is apparently all that matters to some folks.

Re: It's time for the Saints to move on from Sean Payton and Drew Brees

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

Its time to be looking at the possibilities without Sean Payton but give him the opportunity to end this season maybe he can turn this around. I highly doubt it with Dennis Allen as the defensive coordinator. DA don't have any kind of game plan or idea of what he is doing. Isn't this the 1st time he been a DC?

we have started 0-2 or 0-3 4 straight years. I think it is over. Turn what around? Do you really believe this is a playoff team?

Re: It's time for the Saints to move on from Sean Payton and Drew Brees

Did you see the Pats Defensive Coordinator yesterday?
Everybody else's defensive coordinator looks like Paul Bunyan.
Ours looks like a 12 year old boy.
We need some hairier, tobacco chewing people on this staff.
The Father of the Dome Patrol is Bum, a Marine, who chewed Cannonball.
Lets find his Son. "
Keep Drew.
Keep Payton's Offense.
Defense will fix this team.

Re: It's time for the Saints to move on from Sean Payton and Drew Brees

Originally Posted by skymike

Did you see the Pats Defensive Coordinator yesterday?
Everybody else's defensive coordinator looks like Paul Bunyan.
Ours looks like a 12 year old boy.
We need some hairier, tobacco chewing people on this staff.
The Father of the Dome Patrol is Bum, a Marine, who chewed Cannonball.
Lets find his Son. "
Keep Drew.
Keep Payton's Offense.
Defense will fix this team.

Re: It's time for the Saints to move on from Sean Payton and Drew Brees

Our offense doesn't look good either and Brees doesn't seem to remember what a check down is. He used to be at the line changing the play and dissecting defenses. Not anymore. It's time to start over. It's boom or bust for me. This mediocre stuff is for the birds.