Cheerful Charlie you are lying… Fox news is not basic cable. Stop trying to make MSNBC look better by lying.

BTW: Comcast has bought NBC. So, if any channel was going to become basic cable it would be MSNBC

TheBoss1

@cathy … MSNBC is NOT as available as FOX News. Last time I was traveling and staying in a hotel, I WAS NOT able to get MSNBC on the hotel cable, whereas FOX and CNN were available.

Faith3

Yes, education is mainly a state and local issue but after the world wide economic melt down, it left states nearly bankrupt. The federal government has the ability and has offered federal aide throughout part of the economic crisis. The economic crisis is not over yet but the federal government is not offering support to states anymore in this particular area. This in turn has costs many schools to operate on bare bone budgets and to cut back on some of the most necessary programs. Furthermore, this usually happens in school systems that can afford it the least since its wealthier counterparts can afford for the public to chip in and pay the costs difference in local taxes. It all goes back to the inequality argument. If you live in a wealthy district you will probably have less of an impact than those that live in poorer areas. Not really an equitable way to fund school systems. Also, the public educational systems are not failing depending on how well a state runs its system. MA has some of the best school systems when compared to the US and internationally. The problem with our schools, as with every single state in the US, is that low income children are still not able to compete on par with their wealthier counterparts. That also holds true for low income students in private and charter schools. This is a national problem that has nothing to do with “public” schools alone but with all schools so the “throwing the money” argument is just empty rhetoric that doesn’t hit the real issue which is poverty and how it has effected our educational system nationwide. Until we want to have *that* discussion, not much is going to get solved.

As far as domestic cuts, they have already been approved in the 2011 budget. Some of these things include food and safety cuts, home energy assistance to low income families and the elderly, health program cuts and state grants for various programs that help working and low income families.

One last point, government involvement in the economy goes back to my original point on who holds the strings/power in our governmental system. It is clear which private sectors do and to deny it will solve nothing. The same private power elites who will deny any kind of support for the very people who pay the taxes for a better society as a whole but that’s not necessarily happening. We see whose getting the money by looking at the Gini index. Statistics don’t lie.

Faith3

“Wrong that’s not how Health insurance companies work.”

BS, that is exactly how insurance companies work.

Bsotgnw

Faith:

Another limitation of Gini coefficient is that it is not a proper measure of egalitarianism, as it is only measures income dispersion. For example, if two equally egalitarian countries pursue different immigration policies, the country accepting a higher proportion of low-income or impoverished migrants will report a higher Gini coefficient and therefore may appear to exhibit more income inequality.
This explains the variance!

Faith3

I’m not measuring egalitarianism in countries. I am strickly talking about the income dispersion of this country in the past 40 years.

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usa8888

Fox is in the lowest cost tier on satellite and cable and thus is more “available” than MSNBC, which is in the 2nd tier. Fox used to be much higher in ratings, but lately MSNBC has been on fire…so look for MSNBC to move to first tier soon….

http://tvbythenumbers.com Bill Gorman

We include the number of household subscribed to each cable news network at at the bottom of every post.

Apparently, many people are unable to see them.

Take a look, go ahead, you can do it!

Only a trivial difference in the ratings can be explained by coverage differences.

cathy

Faith3, I’m going to need some links to support your statements.
I’ve worked for a health insurance company, you are wrong on how they work. It’s not as easy as you get a large group of people to spread the risk.

I need your links to support your statements about schools too. And please don’t give me a NEA link. I want supported facts not the same NEA talking points.

Inner City students are not at a disadvantage when it comes to money spend or classes that are offered. Because of the student population, inner city school have magnet schools.

Detroit spends more per year to educate a grade school then tuition costs at the University of Michigan #29 best college in the U.S.

Do you have links that detail those cuts? I only hear and read people telling me their are cuts but I can’t get details. I was just told by Washtenaw Country that their weatherization program got more money for 2013, then they got in 2012.

cathy

Thanks for the information Bill.

Stan T

I hate that cut and paste doesn’t work right anymore…sorry for the LONG post for something so short…

Stan T

Faith3
Posted January 1, 2013 at 6:52 PM
Yes, education is mainly a state and local issue but after the world wide economic melt down, it left states nearly bankrupt.

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Actually, those same states were already in the toilet, IE California, Illinois…because those liberal states were over extending already…and raising taxes just runs people out of those states…do they learn? No, just like the liberals in DC…they need to learn to control how they spend OTHER PEOPLE’S MONEY…

Stan T

People keep saying how MSNBC is on fire….how do they come to that conclusion? Rachel was at 1800 and now she’s 946 and falling…that must be some more of that liberal math…you’re trying to redistribute Fox’s numbers to MSNBC to make it look like they’re doing something?

The ONLY person to beat Fox News in the key demo was Larry O, against Greta…who is another liberal…no duh…

Stan T

usa8888
Posted December 31, 2012 at 3:53 PM
Fox Cable ratings have been in decline for 3 months now–their trend is DOWNWARD and MSNBC’s ratings are the highest they have ever been.

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I don’t know what your smoking…but the highest MSNBC got to was during the election when Rachel was 1800 overall….she’s now half that…how is it the highest they’ve ever been?

AppleStinx

Thanks to Bill for clearing the air. I feel at peace.

eggmanbill

It’s a wonderful thing to watch the Fox No-News Pundits choke on their own BS, both insanity Hannity and Little Billy O have lost viewers due to their out right lies and BS. No more Karl Rove and Dick Morris it’s a beautiful thing!!!!! LOL

Coffee Steve

Good Morning Everyone, I hope your New Years day was a good one

Now my 2013 Predictions

Super Bowl-An NFL team will win by a certain amount of points

Congress will STILL dis-agree on everything
The Debt will rise and at the end of the year More people will be poorer
Ratboy will win the Lottery (I bet he sees this one)
I will drink coffee (Sure bet)
The 2 big comets will NOT I repeat “NOT” hit the Earth ( I read that on the Myan Calendar)
The Sun will rise and set each day (The Moon will not turn to Cheese)
Taxes will rise, and they will blame Global Warming (I’d say Climate Change but by June they will more than likely find a different name)
Gas will hit a regular 5 bucks a gallon and never go below that again.
More Chevy Volts will explode, and Unc le Sam will remind you they are safe as long as you park it 4 blocks away at a mean neighbors house.

HAPPY NEW YEAR

Ratboy

Gooood Morning!

Happy New Year………..is it over yet? Keep in mind, with 2014 right around the corner better things might be ahead. 2013 has been quite a year and congress and the President still have not seen common ground………….