First off I just want to say that if anyone quickly goes off the bend about what I've said by thinking it's BS or whatnot WITHOUT reading my post and especially because they have not watched the videos then you are showing CurlTalk your true colors on this topic.

Some people here have said that they would be quick to question someone if there was a racist remark, for example, directed towards whites but it's a lot easier to say that then to actually do it. I keep hearing things like "white privilege", "white supremacy" and so forth which is why I decided to actually question it and did more research on this rather then blindly go by what I've heard all of my life.

One of the most recent things I came across here on CurlTalk was a white woman saying about what she had endured racism from living in a community where there were very few, if any white people but of course, she was told that that was different(as it often is) and cannot be compared to racism towards black people. WTF?!?! Seriously? I could not believe that even though I see it time and time again which led me to some interesting findings that came from sources that was both unexpected yet great to see. Racism is all the same no matter what color you are. It is never acceptable for one group of people yet wrong for another. I'm I the only one that sees this? Apparently not.

According to many here and in general, white people have basically always had it made all throughout history. For as long as I can remember, I always felt that something was off with that. Every person of every skin color has experience good and bad throughout history so it's simply foolish to say that only one group had it good. Something was being left out and now I see why. My research led me to Youtube where I found quite a few people's videos(people who did their homework) talking about white slavery(yes, you heard me! White Slavery!) as well as how black people need to stop blaming and hating on white people for everything going on. That and about how people(asians, whites, natives, etc.) need to start standing up for themselves more when it comes to things like this.

Now here's the thing that really caught my eye which is why I'm enlarging and bolding this next part.Not one of these people in the videos is white! Every time I come across someone talking about white slavery or how so many blacks hate on whites is always being said by black people, more specifically, black men! One would just assume that it would be white people talking about this but no, it's black people which is even better because if a white person were to make videos on these topics they would get trashed left, right and center but people are willing to listen if it comes from a black, native, etc. so I truly commend these people for opening up.

Below are some quotes from the various videos. I put the username of the person, the time it is found on(and the link to it) that I found to be really profound although everyone of every race, skin color or which ever term you want to use, can learn a lot from each second of each video... if you are willing to be open-minded about it, that is. There are some slang words in these quotes that I really don't even like saying so if you see a word filled with symbols or asterisks, that's why.

"The truth about slavery is that it was about economics. Production. That's what slavery was about." - sibusiso 0:50
"Basically what I want to say is that racism is about wealth, economics and power. You have to understand that it's just a way of dividing people." - sibusiso 2:19

"That's what the slave masters want you to do. They want us to taunt each other, waste time and taunt each other about race 'Your black and I'm white and you're black, white, this, that', that is a waste of time. You are playing the game. You are playing the division game." - sibusiso 5:11
"I'm trying to understand the concept of why black people hate the white man. I get hate in the white man sometimes but sometimes it gets to be so extreme even to me that it just blows my ****ing mind. You have black people going on about the plight, my age, on the plight of the blacks, us but they use slavery to justify everything!" - DA*****WITDATATTOOS 0:40 I'd post more from DA*****WITDATATTOOS' video but he has way too many good points to list! You'll have to watch it to see what I'm talking about.

"They tried to clean it up which is why it's kind of tied into Moors history is because simutaniously, as white people were being denied their history of white slavery for over a hundred years in America, they were also simutaniously conditioning black people and robbing them of their history as well of which you will recognize as being a Moor, a Blackamoor here in America, throughout the Carribean. They were shifting that information. Burning books, hiding information, giving it to their secret societies, all simutainiously so white people were in the dark, black people were in the dark. The people who were knowledgeable were the ruling class." - vegasview77 pt. 2 4:14

I'd post more good quotes from vegasview77 but he has way too many to type out so it's best to just watch the videos from start to finish.

"You believe that the white man owes you something because you were so-called descendants of slaves but here's the thing, were you the actual person who was picking up the cotton? No." - joegully 0:53

"So don't come to me with this crying nonsense, about this little n***** nonsense about this, the white man owes you something. The white man owes you nothing! Now you n*****'s need to stop this nonsense because it's stupid!" - joegully 8:10

"I'm glad she's speaking out. I'm glad that she's telling the truth about a lot of the things that is going on in this country. That whites or asians or hispanics or indians or even any other enthicity or race or creed cannot speak about because black folks get so sensitive about that and it's true. There is a double standard." - joegully 3:32 Continue watching for his explanation on this. This video also talked a lot about Obama which again, he made a lot of good points about.

I often wonder if people really want equality in todays world. If you do then wake up and start acting like it by educating yourself! All of this hate and playing the blame game is total BS. Don't go around saying you want equality yet you are quick to blame a specific group of people for everything under the sun or claim that all people are the same yet you throw around some dumbass superiority complex. People have been sectioned off for far too long and it's time we all took a stand on this and start coming together as one instead of constantly dividing each other. That is why I brought this up. A lot of people say they want equality yet they are quick to try to hide this subject(or anything else they don't like the sounds of) under the mat. In order to want equality and to put a stop to racism, we all have to be willing to learn about each other and not brush off something that you may not like the sound of.

Someone once said in a thread "I've read quite a bit on this site, and CurlTalk is the most open, unprejudiced community I've ever come across...". Let's see if it really is. I voiced my opinions on this so let's see how the rest of CurlTalk feels about this. I look forward to reading your responses.

I think you lost me at "questioning" white privilege and white supremacy.

Your post suggests you don't think those are real. If you don't understand how those work, you won't get the issues and you won't get any respect for your views from me and probably from others who get the issues.

The flaw in your logic is that you're assuming that Blacks or other people of colour "acting out" towards white people, is, and should be, seen as equal with white racism towards Black people. Not everyone shares that view. If you look at racism as having a power or institutionalized component, they are in no way the same. To me, this is the only legitimate way to view racism. You're also assuming that if a racialized person acts out towards a white person, it is out of dislike or a feeling of inferiority of white people. I believe that that is rarely, if ever, the case.

As to Black people talking about Blacks being racist against whites, that's a form of internalized racism - trying to gain acceptance and respect from white people by identifying with them and saying what they want to hear, or trying to escape the pain of their own situation by minimizing it and turning the focus elsewhere.

I find it funny that you talk about open-mindedness like you want people of colour to be open-minded to the "racism" white people face, but you have completely closed your mind to legitimate historic and social evidence.

I am not sure what the quote about slavery being about economics is supposed to prove. That doesn't change that a certain group of people was targetted in the name of economics. And the numbers show that Black slavery was far greater in scope and damage than any white slavery or any form of slavery in history. Lots of people have opinions like the ones you quoted - doesn't make them educated or informed or logical.

3. Saying something ignorant like "Every person of every skin color has experience(d) good and bad throughout history so it's simply foolish to say that only one group had it good," makes it really difficult for me to take the rest of your post seriously.

4. The fact that some black people hate white people for, seemingly, no other reason than the color of their skin, does not constitute racism. (See #2.)

Also, I would suggest getting info from books and journals and government sources etc. rather than from clueless ignoramuses on youtube. If you are truly interested, I am sure a few of us can suggest some resources.

Just another bored/lonely person trying to start some drama for their entertainment. I guess the holidays bring them out.

From Michael Berg:

Every person has a unique connection to the Creator that can never be extinguished, and every person has a great soul that can manifest important things in our world. To make a person feel less than they are because of something inside themselves, be it faith, race, or sexual orientation, is the greatest sin of all."

Also, I would suggest getting info from books and journals and government sources etc. rather than from clueless ignoramuses on youtube. If you are truly interested, I am sure a few of us can suggest some resources.

Originally Posted by Amneris

Lol, I, too, was going to suggest some more in-depth, credible research myself, but I just didn't want to open my own floodgates.

Also, I would suggest getting info from books and journals and government sources etc. rather than from clueless ignoramuses on youtube. If you are truly interested, I am sure a few of us can suggest some resources.

Originally Posted by Amneris

Lol, I, too, was going to suggest some more in-depth, credible research myself, but I just didn't want to open my own floodgates.

I think you lost me at "questioning" white privilege and white supremacy.

Your post suggests you don't think those are real. If you don't understand how those work, you won't get the issues and you won't get any respect for your views from me and probably from others who get the issues.

The flaw in your logic is that you're assuming that Blacks or other people of colour "acting out" towards white people, is, and should be, seen as equal with white racism towards Black people. Not everyone shares that view. If you look at racism as having a power or institutionalized component, they are in no way the same. To me, this is the only legitimate way to view racism. You're also assuming that if a racialized person acts out towards a white person, it is out of dislike or a feeling of inferiority of white people. I believe that that is rarely, if ever, the case.

As to Black people talking about Blacks being racist against whites, that's a form of internalized racism - trying to gain acceptance and respect from white people by identifying with them and saying what they want to hear, or trying to escape the pain of their own situation by minimizing it and turning the focus elsewhere.

I find it funny that you talk about open-mindedness like you want people of colour to be open-minded to the "racism" white people face, but you have completely closed your mind to legitimate historic and social evidence.

I am not sure what the quote about slavery being about economics is supposed to prove. That doesn't change that a certain group of people was targetted in the name of economics. And the numbers show that Black slavery was far greater in scope and damage than any white slavery or any form of slavery in history. Lots of people have opinions like the ones you quoted - doesn't make them educated or informed or logical.

Originally Posted by Amneris

I agree with all of this...and let's not forget that not only were black people one slaves, they were also
considered only partial people.

Yes, black people can be racist agains whites, but honestly, can you blame some of them?? Have you ever watched Roots, Mississippi Burning, the Freedom Riders?? C'mon, let's be realistic!

I think you lost me at "questioning" white privilege and white supremacy.

Your post suggests you don't think those are real. If you don't understand how those work, you won't get the issues and you won't get any respect for your views from me and probably from others who get the issues.

The flaw in your logic is that you're assuming that Blacks or other people of colour "acting out" towards white people, is, and should be, seen as equal with white racism towards Black people. Not everyone shares that view. If you look at racism as having a power or institutionalized component, they are in no way the same. To me, this is the only legitimate way to view racism. You're also assuming that if a racialized person acts out towards a white person, it is out of dislike or a feeling of inferiority of white people. I believe that that is rarely, if ever, the case.

As to Black people talking about Blacks being racist against whites, that's a form of internalized racism - trying to gain acceptance and respect from white people by identifying with them and saying what they want to hear, or trying to escape the pain of their own situation by minimizing it and turning the focus elsewhere.

I find it funny that you talk about open-mindedness like you want people of colour to be open-minded to the "racism" white people face, but you have completely closed your mind to legitimate historic and social evidence.

I am not sure what the quote about slavery being about economics is supposed to prove. That doesn't change that a certain group of people was targetted in the name of economics. And the numbers show that Black slavery was far greater in scope and damage than any white slavery or any form of slavery in history. Lots of people have opinions like the ones you quoted - doesn't make them educated or informed or logical.

Originally Posted by Amneris

I agree with all of this...and let's not forget that not only were black people one slaves, they were also
considered only partial people.

Yes, black people can be racist agains whites, but honestly, can you blame some of them?? Have you ever watched Roots, Mississippi Burning, the Freedom Riders?? C'mon, let's be realistic!

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Originally Posted by IAmJordanNicole

No, we can't--not in the world as we know it. Again, there's a profound difference between prejudice and racism. And, yes, you can almost always blame someone for their prejudices. In fact, I hope you were kidding in that last sentence.

There's no way I can take your post seriously. You're mixing up racism and prejudice. Those two are NOT the same whatsoever, although a number of people think they are. To illustrate the difference, anybody can be prejudiced against anybody. So yes, plenty of people of color can be and are prejudiced against whites based on stereotypes that are disbursed throughout the media. Racism on the other hand, means that a group of people have the political and economic power to systemically discriminate against others of a different race, denying them jobs, housing, etc. Blacks still do not have the amount of economic or political power it would take to deny whites anything. Therefore, blacks CANNOT be racist against whites. They can be only be prejudiced against them, whereby whites can be racist against blacks since they have the power to be able to do so.

I think you lost me at "questioning" white privilege and white supremacy.

Your post suggests you don't think those are real. If you don't understand how those work, you won't get the issues and you won't get any respect for your views from me and probably from others who get the issues.

The flaw in your logic is that you're assuming that Blacks or other people of colour "acting out" towards white people, is, and should be, seen as equal with white racism towards Black people. Not everyone shares that view. If you look at racism as having a power or institutionalized component, they are in no way the same. To me, this is the only legitimate way to view racism. You're also assuming that if a racialized person acts out towards a white person, it is out of dislike or a feeling of inferiority of white people. I believe that that is rarely, if ever, the case.

As to Black people talking about Blacks being racist against whites, that's a form of internalized racism - trying to gain acceptance and respect from white people by identifying with them and saying what they want to hear, or trying to escape the pain of their own situation by minimizing it and turning the focus elsewhere.

I find it funny that you talk about open-mindedness like you want people of colour to be open-minded to the "racism" white people face, but you have completely closed your mind to legitimate historic and social evidence.

I am not sure what the quote about slavery being about economics is supposed to prove. That doesn't change that a certain group of people was targetted in the name of economics. And the numbers show that Black slavery was far greater in scope and damage than any white slavery or any form of slavery in history. Lots of people have opinions like the ones you quoted - doesn't make them educated or informed or logical.

Originally Posted by Amneris

I agree with all of this...and let's not forget that not only were black people one slaves, they were also
considered only partial people.

Yes, black people can be racist agains whites, but honestly, can you blame some of them?? Have you ever watched Roots, Mississippi Burning, the Freedom Riders?? C'mon, let's be realistic!

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Originally Posted by IAmJordanNicole

No, we can't--not in the world as we know it. Again, there's a profound difference between prejudice and racism. And, yes, you can almost always blame someone for their prejudices. In fact, I hope you were kidding in that last sentence.

Originally Posted by Honeycurls

No I wasn't kidding. For example, my 88 y/o gmom who grew up in south Carolina and had to drink out of water fountains and use both room marked colored, if she is had a hatred for white people, I won't be mad at her for that.

I agree with all of this...and let's not forget that not only were black people one slaves, they were also
considered only partial people.

Yes, black people can be racist agains whites, but honestly, can you blame some of them?? Have you ever watched Roots, Mississippi Burning, the Freedom Riders?? C'mon, let's be realistic!

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Originally Posted by IAmJordanNicole

No, we can't--not in the world as we know it. Again, there's a profound difference between prejudice and racism. And, yes, you can almost always blame someone for their prejudices. In fact, I hope you were kidding in that last sentence.

Originally Posted by Honeycurls

No I wasn't kidding. For example, my 88 y/o gmom who grew up in south Carolina and had to drink out of water fountains and use both room marked colored, if she is had a hatred for white people, I won't be mad at her for that.

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Originally Posted by IAmJordanNicole

Believe me, I understand what you're saying. However, she is lowering herself to that same level--she's making a prejudgement against all white people--retaliatory in nature, yes, but it's still prejudice nonetheless.

OK, I admit it.....I'm an alias! I wasn't born with the name Honeycurls!Dood, get over it; there's no time limit on lurking.

I so busy runnin' allllllll over the place and ain't nobody chasin' me!

No, we can't--not in the world as we know it. Again, there's a profound difference between prejudice and racism. And, yes, you can almost always blame someone for their prejudices. In fact, I hope you were kidding in that last sentence.

Originally Posted by Honeycurls

No I wasn't kidding. For example, my 88 y/o gmom who grew up in south Carolina and had to drink out of water fountains and use both room marked colored, if she is had a hatred for white people, I won't be mad at her for that.

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Originally Posted by IAmJordanNicole

Believe me, I understand what you're saying. However, she is lowering herself to that same level--she's making a prejudgement against all white people--retaliatory in nature, yes, but it's still prejudice nonetheless.

Originally Posted by Honeycurls

I agree and for the record, my gmom holds no grudge toward white people. Neither do I or anyone in my family, but not everyone is so good at forgiving, and I can understand that as well.

I agree with all of this...and let's not forget that not only were black people one slaves, they were also
considered only partial people.

Yes, black people can be racist agains whites, but honestly, can you blame some of them?? Have you ever watched Roots, Mississippi Burning, the Freedom Riders?? C'mon, let's be realistic!

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Originally Posted by IAmJordanNicole

No, we can't--not in the world as we know it. Again, there's a profound difference between prejudice and racism. And, yes, you can almost always blame someone for their prejudices. In fact, I hope you were kidding in that last sentence.

Originally Posted by Honeycurls

No I wasn't kidding. For example, my 88 y/o gmom who grew up in south Carolina and had to drink out of water fountains and use both room marked colored, if she is had a hatred for white people, I won't be mad at her for that.

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Originally Posted by IAmJordanNicole

I would say that
a) she probably doesn't "hate" "white people" - she hates the degradation she was forced to live under
b) she likely has internalized the inferiority she was treated with to some degree and this may manifest as jealousy towards white people expressed as "hatred"
c) she's unlikely to actually believe that white people are inferior to Black people (even if she says otherwise)

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