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Why pretend to grab the rail? Just keep your hands in your pockets. It's much more fun and challenging. If you loose your balance, then you also have to have quicker reflexes to move your hand to grab the bar.

I pretend that I'm a pirate making my way over the deck of my frigatte whilst sailing a wild ocean. I'm forced to use the handles on the seats to be able to make my way over the rocking, twisting and leaning "deck" or else I'll fall in to the salty sea..

almost word for word i came here to say exactly the same thing. (although 6 and a quarter rather than 6 and a half) ;)

same with seeing a movie. aisle seat, enjoyable experience. non aisle seat, half an hour in and the movie is in constant competition for attention with the pain in my knee and the constant shifting just to try and have it a few degrees straighter.

The air vents on the EMUs run along the length of the train, on both sides, directly above the window. Coupled with fans that could get a 737 moving, the people who take the window seats are often found frozen after 30 minutes.

I prefer the aisle seats because as a tall person i need the room to swing my legs out into the aisle to be able to sit comfortably, same with planes. If i can get a group of empty seats i will sit next to the window and swing my legs out but if it is a choice between a window and be cramped against no window and a bit more space, ill take the aisle seat all day.

That's weird. Based on all the video footage I've seen, I would've assumed that Japanese train etiquette would involve more secretive groping and random sexual encounters with teen-aged school girls. Have I been lied to all this time?

Try riding it during the middle of a week day. On a few occasions I could actually tell we were getting close to Ipswich based on the smell of some of the other passangers... Like a mixture of sweat and absent minded despair. If I could bottle it, I would call it eau de-Centrelink.

Y'all are weak. I catch the train from southbank to Loganlea and back. Every. Day. You've not smelt stale sweat and cheap alcohol until you've sat next to sweating, swearing Maori calling me bro because I'm dark skinned; then demanding money or food.

I can barely afford to eat and this cuntnugget is asking me for money for smokes?

caboolture line during the day is just a joke, don't know howe many times i've seen kids drinking, getting their smokes ready, or mouthing of to people. those kids have no respect for them selves or others around them.

Nah, bogans are more like white-trash. Being a redneck in the U.S. has more to do with coming from a rural area and being less socially sophisticated and/or less educated. You can be a redneck and still be a nice guy who's fun to have around.

I still can't decide on this. On the quiet carriage everyone is quite except one inconsiderate asshole on the phone which your brain HAS to pay attention to. On the normal carriages all the conversations merge into an indistinguishable mess, which for me, makes it much easier to read books without hearing about how many uni assignments the kid behind me has on his plate at the moment.

There is no inconsiderate assholes who gets to stay on the phone in our quiet carriages. (Southern Sweden).
It's secret police levels of ordnung in those during comuter hours.
Only exception: leaky headsets.

That's what I usually do. No tips necessary. :) I have all my favorite seats all figured out, right down to the tile or crack in the platform that I have to stand at to ensure that I'm the first one into the carriage, and have dibs on the best seat when I get in there. (I have a system heh.) I still hate the old trains though - noisy, drafty, and filthy as hell, and often smelling like a public toilet for some unthinkable reason.

iPad etiquette: Since you own an iPad, you're allowed to broadcast as much noise into any situation that you'd like. Fire up your music or games with the volume at maximum on airplanes, in restaurants, in the waiting room at the dentist, etc. Do not attempt this if you own a tablet device that is not an iPad; only the iPad enables this type of behavior. iPad.

I can't wait to be squished in a mob on the silent carriage so I can relax to the tranquility of WHOOSH KACHUNK KACHUNK KACHUNK KKKRRRRRRNRNNNNNN DOORS CLOSING, PLEASE STAND CLEAR KACHUNK KACHUNK KACHUNK DDDRRRRRRRRRRRRRRMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMRRRRMMMM CLACK CLACK DDRRRRRRRMMMMN

So true. Funny how people automatically assume old people are well mannered - I had an incident when I was in school where I went to help a lady lift a pram with her baby in it from the train (big gap), and an old lady hit me as I stepped forward and yelled at me that I should let the lady get off...

I live in a somewhat small town and frequently take the bus. I often get into some really interesting and deep conversations with people, and in general they are happy to talk to me, as I am to them. Can someone tell me why it is so awful to strike up a conversation with a willing stranger and possibly make a new friend?

It's more about noise on the train - the annoying girl having a loud argument on her phone with far too much personal detail in the middle of the carriage; the guy with crappy iphone earphones that leak more sound outside of his ears than into them so you all hear his bad taste in music, and so on. If you've had to sit on a 1 hour commute with this kind of thing regularly, a quiet carriage can become a real blessing. Especially if you use it as your quiet/chill time post-work.

Trains tend to get a bit weirder than buses, too. I'm more likely to talk to people on buses than on trains, as with the train I seem to run into crazies more often.

It's not about not talking to strangers, its to do with the bogans playing shitty ghetto beats and crappy rap songs on their phones when all the day workers are trying to commute home, high school students yelling in your face after an 8 hour shift, phone conversations happening right next to you and computer games being played noisily while you try to read.

In the quiet carriage, you're supposed to get a reprieve from all that.

Take it from me, if you work in Brisbane and you commute more than 15 mins out of the city (I live in a westen suburb, its 40 mins on the train) you dont want to deal with all that after dealing with noise and issues all day.

Especially during peak hours when youre likely to be piled in with all seats and standing room taken, you dont want noise blaring in your face.

TL;DR- it's not about being social, it's about getting to relax on the way home.

I've had a fair few conversations with strangers on trains and at stations (none that I initiated), and it is my experience that people who talk to strangers on trains lack the ability to tell if other people are as willing to talk as they are.

I agree, the only time I might speak to a stranger on a train or bus is if something insane happens, like a passenger gets all up screaming in the bus drivers' face, or picks a fight with another passenger, I'll make a that shit's crazy face with someone and a 10 second conversation about the incident will ensue. After that I'm back to enjoying no demands on my attention after a long day at work.

Try riding a city bus with the junkies, gangsta wannabees and insane people pissing themselves. You might want to bring a book to keep yourself busy because you'r sure as Hell not going to be conversing most of the time on that ride.

Heh, I suppose not. I often am surprised though who has an interesting story, where I didn't expect it. In one instance I found myself speaking to an old homeless man who was on his way to court for meth possession charges. At one point he offered to sell me some weed out of the entire pound he had in his backpack. I mentioned to him that it would probably not be wise to take that into court with him, and that blew his mind as if it was the smartest thing he'd heard all week. Despite the unpleasant smell he had a couple of really fascinating Vietnam stories.

I think it's more because you're in a small town that people are receptive to that.

I have a friend from the country who pisses me off because he texts or calls like 4 or 5 times a day JUST TO MAKE SMALL TALK, and if I don't respond after a day or two, I get triple times that as he tries to make sure I haven't died. I really don't have the time or patience for it, but I know he was just raised to be friendly like that in a small country town.

(Texts like : "what did you do this weekend? Oh, groceries? What groceries did you get?" "oh, you're at work? What work are you doing? Is it hard work? Oh, you need to concentrate? How come you can't listen to music as you do it?", it makes me want to claw my face off. Every single day.)

It's just about personal boundaries, some people are open to conversation while they're travelling, others like myself prefer to travel just in peace. I will always be polite and cheerful if someone speaks to me, but I won't try to extend the conversation beyond what they've said.

I don't mind chatting with strangers myself. The issue I have is if I were to strike up a conversation with a stranger, what is there to talk about? The weather? Their clothes? I feel more comfortable if the stranger and I have a common interest to start with.

I was watching a video game trailer on the train to work and the lady next to me told me that game looked interesting. Found out she owns an xbox and we had a nice chat about video games and move on to other topics from there.

The county I live in has about 120,000 people split up over 3 main cities and a handful of small towns. Local politics is usually on many peoples' minds and I don't really have strong opinions about local politics so I am always interested to hear viewpoints. Additionally, I take genuine interest in people and like to hear what they have to say about just about anything. I also like to think that I am good at making people laugh so the conversations I usually share are light-hearted. From all these replies I am gathering that this sort of thing is not generally unwanted, but rather it is inconsiderate levels of noise, cell phones, etc is the problem. I don't own a smartphone or ipod (with a battery that lasts longer than a 1/2 hour), so when I finish reading the paper, talking to someone else who is unoccupied and seems receptive is occasionally what I will do.

I also live in a small town, it annoys the hell out of me when people start chatting to me on the bus/train. Either most people are just being polite to you, or you're oblivious to how uninterested they are.

I have had over hour long conversations with people, in which I have been told war stories, parents struggle with cancer, relationship woes, personal stance on euthanasia, the intricacies of massage therapy, struggle with band-mates, personal preferences on anti-depression medication and the list goes on. Four of my current friends who I see on a regular basis I met on a bus voyage. I chalk this up to the fact that I am a really good listener. Many people that strike up conversation are very quick to provide their opinion or advice, whereas I find most people just like to have someone listen to them with genuine interest (which for some reason, I do have).

It's amazing how many people I have met that seem to really have no one to talk to without feeling like they get judged, and when they realize that I am not looking to spout my diatribe, they open up. Believe, i detect the cues when somebody doesn't want to talk, it is simply a matter of letting a period of silence occur very early on, and if they don't say anything, well then there is my answer, and after that it is really not hard to tell if someone is engaged or being polite. My family and friends always told me that I should have been a therapist or councilor, but I just couldn't deal with all the theory in psych.

I guess my point is that it saddens me that so many people come in close contact with each other, even people that literally see each other every day, and have no interest. It seems that in this society we just dont talk to each other anymore, we talk at people, and then people talk at back. I remember seeing a documentary about four African young men who visit the States, and sink into deep depression because they state how little people here would talk to them, or even smile.

Sorry to ramble on like this, it is just something I feel very strongly about.

Well it's nice that you've met so many chatty people, in my experience I tend to end up sitting listening to someone ramble on, or try to engage me in political debate, while I'm trying to read a book. I don't think there's anything wrong with wanting some peace and quiet on the way to and from work, that's my time to relax and do a bit of reading, or some studying, it ruins my journey when these people impose themselves on me. I appreciate that you apparently have better social skills than that, but most people, unfortunately, do not.