Seen both in game today. Ps4 playing fifa and xbox1 actually looking crashed. They didn't have controllers out for xbox1 either. Both looked ok to me. Obviously since it was working the ps4 was drawing a large crowd.

Seen both in game today. Ps4 playing fifa and xbox1 actually looking crashed. They didn't have controllers out for xbox1 either. Both looked ok to me. Obviously since it was working the ps4 was drawing a large crowd.

Xbox One demo stations are only videos at the moment. They have controller slots so I guess they'll come later.

Yep that's what you get for having an internal PSU and more powerful hardware.

The hardware (i.e cpu/gpu) is pretty similar so I imagine most of the extra heat is because of less airflow in the smaller case and the PSU. Microsoft seem to have designed the Xbox One pretty well in terms of cooling but it remains to be seen if there are any hardware issues for either console in this area. Seems like it could be silly things instead like disc drives and port connections.

The hardware (i.e cpu/gpu) is pretty similar so I imagine most of the extra heat is because of less airflow in the smaller case and the PSU. Microsoft seem to have designed the Xbox One pretty well in terms of cooling but it remains to be seen if there are any hardware issues for either console in this area. Seems like it could be silly things instead like disc drives and port connections.

The CPUs are similar but the GPU is far from similar.

I believe GDDR5 is also more power hungry.

But yeah neither console is running what you would consider too 'hot'.

But yeah neither console is running what you would consider too 'hot'.

It would be interesting to know the difference in TDP of the two GPUs. Also, how the two new consoles compare to the PS3/Xbox 360 at launch. Both of the companies should be better at designing the consoles now seeing as they've done a number of revisions of the previous consoles.

It would be interesting to know the difference in TDP of the two GPUs. Also, how the two new consoles compare to the PS3/Xbox 360 at launch. Both of the companies should be better at designing the consoles now seeing as they've done a number of revisions of the previous consoles.

If these new console are colder than their predecessors, it doesn't mean they are "better". That just means they run cooler.

If these new console are colder than their predecessors, it doesn't mean they are "better". That just means they run cooler.

lol I know that. I'm just saying, it would be mildly interesting to know the differences too see how they compare. When I say 'better' I mean the overall design so that we don't see hardware problems like RROD etc.

Also, how the two new consoles compare to the PS3/Xbox 360 at launch. Both of the companies should be better at designing the consoles now seeing as they've done a number of revisions of the previous consoles.

I think the PS4 shows that. It's smaller than the PS3 at launch, but still adequately cooled. The XBox One design seems to be more conservative, as if what they'd learned was lack of confidence.

Yep. Any PC gamer will tell you about the feeling you get when your new investment is idling just above where it should according to the internet and the first time you stick Metro Last Light on knowing it's going to push your £300 slab to within an inch of its life! To all those lucky sods who have/are getting new hardware this week don't worry bout those temps. They're fine

I think the PS4 shows that. It's smaller than the PS3 at launch, but still adequately cooled. The XBox One design seems to be more conservative, as if what they'd learned was lack of confidence.

Well let's wait and see about reliability. The Xbox could turn out to be the more sensible design of the two.

Also, I think if comparing to a 'normal' PC you have to look at what PCs with APUs are like, rather than looking at the heat generated by a PC with a separate CPU and a separate (beast of a) graphics card.

^^ At this point there's no reason to expect either box to have heat problems. No doubt both companies designed with the temperatures we're now measuring in mind, and for something to go wrong now would be a big surprise. As with the XBox 360, where the problem was not the box being hotter than expected but the solder not being able to cope with the expected heat. A mistake like that is equally likely for either box.

^^ At this point there's no reason to expect either box to have heat problems. No doubt both companies designed with the temperatures we're now measuring in mind, and for something to go wrong now would be a big surprise. As with the XBox 360, where the problem was not the box being hotter than expected but the solder not being able to cope with the expected heat. A mistake like that is equally likely for either box.

Yeah, there shouldn't be any problems. But still, you can't really say for sure how well either system has been designed when they've just been released. You have to give it a while to see if any problems arise. As I said before, it seems like silly things like ports and disc drives at the moment. Not 'major' problems but just as annoying for owners of those systems.