There is no chance in hell Ron Paul would get anything except a brush aside at a brokered convention. If Paul had gotten 49.9 percent of a delegate majority, he would have been cheated out of the nomination as all the other neocons gang up against him.

We must take into account that it's possible some of the other candidate's delegates are Paul supporters, just waiting for that brokered convention.

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Originally Posted by Theodoric

I may still publicly say I like Paul and think he's a good man, but there is no way in the world I could like him that much.

I like him enough and truly believe his policies will help WN enough to do whatever's in my power to get him elected, short of committing a crime.

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Originally Posted by DrivenSno

He is going to continue into a third party run, isn't he?

He's always said he wouldn't, but left open a 1% chance he would. Might be too late for that if he survives into the convention.

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Originally Posted by folkandfaith

Here in Idaho ours is not until May 27th I believe. If anyone has such our meetup could surely use them.

Darn. I wish I had known that before I mailed mine off.

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Originally Posted by Wolfsnarl

They'd be required to vote for whoever the state selected them to be delegates for on the 1st ballot, meaning McCain would win 48% on the 1st ballot. Then another ballot would be held, at which point delegates would be released to vote their conscience. Repeat process until one candidate gets the majority votes on a ballot.

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Originally Posted by Eurocentric

I want to make sure I understand this so correct me if I'm mistaken: If McCain enters the convention with, say, 48% of the delegates, each delegate is no longer required to vote for him, even on the first ballot? But if he enters with 51% or more, delegates must vote for him the first time around?

Those 600+ delegates for McCain will be bound by law to vote for McCain ONLY if he gets to 1191 delegates. In a brokered convention they are allowed to vote for whoever they want.

Who are the people behind these delegates? THEY WERE THE PEOPLE WILLING TO STAY AFTER THE PRECINCTS SHUT DOWN AND VOLUNTEER TO BECOME DELEGATES. THEY WERE MOSTLY RON PAUL SUPPORTERS!

So is it true that only someone reaching 1191 delegates means there can be no brokered convention, or only if someone reaches 51% of the delegates? The latter cannot be true, because McCain already has more than 51%, doesn't he? And yet the possibility of a brokered convention still remains. I believe that McCain has to reach 1191 delegates in order to secure the nomination without a brokered convention. So we still have a chance.

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Originally Posted by Eurocentric

Supporting Huckabee at this point would likely be supporting McCain, as the 2 are rumored to be in talks about Huckabee switching his delegates over to him after the 2 have the needed majority..

A brokered convention refers to a situation in United States politics where there are not enough delegates obtained during the presidential primary and caucus process for a single candidate to obtain a majority for the presidential nominating convention. Since no candidates receive enough votes on the first ballot to win the nomination, the convention is brokered through political horse-trading and multiple ballots.

Background

Before the era of presidential primaries, conventions were routinely brokered. Adlai Stevenson in 1952 for the Democratic Party and Thomas Dewey in 1948 for the Republican Party were the last two candidates selected through a brokered convention.

Since then, there have been many years where brokered conventions were projected, but did not come to pass. In 1988, a brokered convention was predicted for the Democrats since multiple candidates won the Super Tuesday primaries that year.[1]

Several factors encourage decision in the primary process. First, candidates tend to get momentum as they go through the process, due to the bandwagon effect. Thus, one or two candidates will be portrayed by the media to voters as the front runner due to their placement in the first primaries and caucuses, and as also-ran candidates drop out, their supporters will tend to vote for the leaders. [2] Theorists have identified two types of political momentum, piecemeal and all-at-once, with different impacts on front-runners and those right behind them. [3] Secondly, political parties wish to avoid the negative publicity from a brokered convention, as a candidate nominated from the brokered convention will be seen as weak and must climb additional hurdles to gain election.

2008

In the 2008 election cycle, the possibility of a brokered convention remains on the Republican and Democratic side. The current split of support for Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama could result in a race where no candidate receives a majority of delegates on the first ballot as nearly 20% of the delegates are unpledged superdelegates.[4] For the Republicans, the opportunity is now more remote after John McCain took key delegate-rich states like New York, New Jersey and California on Super Tuesday. Mitt Romney, Mike Huckabee and Ron Paul would need to take around 730 delegates shared between them to force a brokered Republican convention. [5]

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So, what does Ron Paul have to do with the unused money he has if he drops out? Considering the following he has that visits the DailyPaul.com and others, wouldn't it be nice if he would take those millions and try to establish an alternative news media. People have witnessed the obvious censorship of Ron's presidential campaign, and they are now aware of how important it is to have free media.

People could donate until we have our own TV station even. Lets face it, White TV is TV like CNN not that BET crap the blacks like.

It is my understanding that candidates are entitled by law to keep 20% of the total they take in, but I doubt that RP would do that.
Good question for Edwards and a few others, who just give up and disappear.
Ron Paul probably wouldn't keep any of it, even for his other campaigns..like in the house. He would have to (once he sees the end) spend it out in advertising, and finally to his campaign workers.

Part of the reason Ron Paul didn't do so well, especially in the early states, is that he himself didn't put in as much work as many of his supporters.

With opponents like McCain, he shouldn't *have* to put much work into campaigning!

When I was 18 - back in the mid eighties ...I had a summer job at a suit store. I still remember one week my manager saying, "You only had four sales last week!!". At the time, I felt bad about not selling better, but later I realized, no matter how bad I was at selling, more than 4 people should have bought something from me. A few years later, the mall I was working at closed down. It wasn't me, it was the dead mall I was working at.

Things aren't going to get better until we *make* them get better. To hope otherwise is like hoping to beat cancer without chemo or radiation.

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At-large (AL): At-large. At-larges delegates consist of all delegates elected to the national convention except for congressional district delegates. At-large delegates also include the national committeeman, national committeewoman, and state chairman from each state party and American Samoa , the District of Columbia, Guam, Puerto Rico, and the Virgin Islands. See Republican Party Rule 13(a)(2).

Congressional District (CD): Congressional District. Three delegates to the national convention are elected from each congressional district in the United States. See Republican Party Rule 13(a)(3) & Rule 15(b)(5).

Delegates bound: Delegates to the national convention are required to vote for a particular presidential candidate as determined by primary results, caucus results, or individual commitment to a specified candidate in conformity with state party rules or state law. State party rules or state laws determine the number of ballots where the delegates are bound to support a particular candidate. State party rules or state laws may require delegates to be bound to support a particular candidate until the candidate releases his or her delegates.

Delegates not bound: Delegates to the national convention are not required to vote for any presidential candidate and may vote for any candidate whom they choose.

Proportional: Method of allocating national convention delegates to presidential candidates whereby candidates will be allocated a certain number of delegates that reflects the percentage of votes the candidates received, either by congressional district or statewide.

Threshold: Minimum percentage of the total vote, either by congressional district or statewide, which a presidential candidate must receive in order to be allocated national convention delegates.

Winner-take-all: Method of allocating national convention delegates to presidential candidates whereby the candidate who receives either a plurality or majority of the votes, either by congressional district or statewide, will be allocated all respective delegates.

Source: Republican National Committee
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Total Number of Delegates: 2488

The allocation of delegates to the 2008 Republican National Convention, which will be held September 1-4, 2008 in a city to be announced in early 2007, is determined as follows:

BASE DELEGATES Each state selects six at-large delegates. American Samoa, Virgin Islands & Guam have four at-large delegates each; Puerto Rico and the District of Columbia have fourteen at-large delegates.

DISTRICT DELEGATES Each state also selects three delegates for each member it has in the U.S. House of Representatives

BONUS DELEGATES Each state can earn additional delegates by meeting one or more of the following requirements: the state cast a majority of its votes for the Republican presidential candidate in the previous presidential election, the state elected Republicans to the U.S. House or Senate, selected a Republican Governor or state legislative majorities, and / or the state holds its presidential primary election after March 15th (this is to discourage states from holding early primaries).

Bonus delegates are awarded based on the number of party members elected as Presidential Electors (2004), Governors (2004-2007), House members (2004-2007), Senators (2002-2007), and state legislatures (2004-2007).

Republican delegate counts are based on the number of Republicans elected to the State Legislatures, Governors chairs, U.S. House seats, and U.S. Senators seats through 31 December 2007. Republican unpledged delegate counts are determined by state (or equivalent) party rules and assume that the policies of 2004 will apply in 2008.

Delegates are awarded based on the results of Primaries, Caucuses and/or Convention votes. There are significant differences in the way national convention delegates are chosen from state to state. Some states award delegates to candidates on a "winner-take-all" basis, meaning that the candidate with the most votes in a state during a primary election is awarded all of that state's delegates. Other states award delegates in proportion to each candidate's share of the primary vote.

Another important distinction is whether delegates are "bound" or "not bound" to vote for the same candidate the voters in his or her state or district supported in the primary. These rules also vary widely by state.

When an individual formally releases delegates already pledged to him or her - a withdrawing candidate must specifically free his/her own delegates to vote for whomever they might choose during the Convention - it is not a requirement for those delegates to vote for another candidate who is endorsed by the withdrawing candidate.

However, history has demonstrated that most, if not all, delegates pledged to a candidate who has released them will follow that candidate's lead and vote for the candidate he/she has endorsed. Nevertheless, a withdrawing candidate may not release delegates pledged to him/her so long as the presidential nomination is still undetermined (after all, these delegates can be a valuable bargaining chip for future considerations). Even where a nomination is already determined, a presidential candidate who represents the Party fringe might hold onto his delegates as long as possible in order to get concessions.

For Jurisdictions with Constitutionally Elected Members of Congress:

10 At-Large delegates from each state, that is, 5 at-large delegates for each U.S. Senator.
3 District delegates for each U.S. Representative.
For Jurisdictions without Constitutionally Elected Members of Congress:

6 at-large delegates from American Samoa.
16 at-large delegates from the District of Columbia.
6 at-large delegates from Guam.
6 at-large delegates from Northern Mariana Islands
20 at-large delegates from Puerto Rico.
6 at-large delegates from Virgin Islands.
For all Jurisdictions - 3 party leaders: the national committeeman, the national committee woman, and the chairman of the state Republican Party.

Bonus Delegates:

2004 Bonus: States casting a majority of their 2004 Electoral Votes for the Republican Candidate receive 4.5 + 0.60 × the Jurisdiction's Total 2004 Electoral Vote bonus delegates. Should the District of Columbia cast the majority of their electoral votes for the Republican Candidate, the District will receive 4.5 + (0.30 × 16) bonus delegates. (Round any fractions UP to the next integer.)
U.S. Senate: Award 1 bonus delegate for each Republican Senator elected in the 6 year period (November 5, 2002, November 2, 2004, November 7, 2006) prior to January 1, 2008. (Limit 2)
Governor: States electing a Republican Governor between January 1, 2004 and December 31, 2007 receive 1 bonus delegate. (Limit: 1)
U.S. House: States electing Republicans to 50% or more of the their U.S. House seats between January 1, 2004 and December 31, 2007 receive 1 bonus delegate. (Limit 1)
One Chamber: States electing a Republican majority to one chamber of the state legislature (OR the legislature is presided over by a Republican) receive 1 bonus delegate. (Limit 1).
All Chambers: States electing a Republican majority to all chambers of the state legislature (or all chambers are presided over by a Republican) between January 1, 2004 and December 31, 2007 receive 1 bonus delegate. (Limit 1).

At least a RP-run federal gov't would give White people a level playing field...

Paul can run as a Third Party candidate, and he should do well (maybe 15 to 20 percent) considering how hated McCain is by conservatives.

I'm just disappointed Paul's campaign staff was so arrogant and ignored so much good advice. The best chance for Paul to become president would have been to win the Republican primary. He had a great message. He had a major obstacle due to the Jewish media black out and biased coverage. And there was a thoroughly inept and ineffective campaign staff.

It's hard to tell how much vote stealing was done by Diebold, but the Jews have played a key role in pushing aside yet another great patriot, and we're looking at McCain, Hillary and Obama as the next president. What a disgrace!!

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Paul can run as a Third Party candidate, and he should do well (maybe 15 to 20 percent) considering how hated McCain is by conservatives.

I'm just disappointed Paul's campaign staff was so arrogant and ignored so much good advice. The best chance for Paul to become president would have been to win the Republican primary. He had a great message. He had a major obstacle due to the Jewish media black out and biased coverage. And there was a thoroughly inept and ineffective campaign staff.

It's hard to tell how much vote stealing was done by Diebold, but the Jews have played a key role in pushing aside yet another great patriot, and we're looking at McCain, Hillary and Obama as the next president. What a disgrace!!

So is it true that only someone reaching 1191 delegates means there can be no brokered convention, or only if someone reaches 51% of the delegates? The latter cannot be true, because McCain already has more than 51%, doesn't he? And yet the possibility of a brokered convention still remains. I believe that McCain has to reach 1191 delegates in order to secure the nomination without a brokered convention. So we still have a chance.

Gee, you mean McInsane won't be running with Jeb Bush after all?

You're right. Supporting Schmuck is supporting McCain. Go Romney!

I think we'll end up seeing both Huckabee and Romney handing over their delegates and endorements to McCain. Sorry, but they all know who butters their bread and those folks REALLY want McCain to be the GOP nominee. Huckster and Romney will attempt to selfishly secure good positions (in the cabinet, for instance) at this point.