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06-19-2014 01:59 PM

lalachka

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Originally Posted by jmdjack

I don't know if I have ever met a good dog that I thought was "ugly" . . . .

If forced to state my color preferences, I would rank them as follows: (1) black; (2) bicolor; (3) sable; (4) black and tan. I have two sables . . . . For me, color and "looks" are of lesser importance and would only come into play if everything else was absolutely equal. With my second dog, I knew the breeding would not produce any blacks but other things, including the particular bloodlines, were much more important to me than color. If things other than looks are of importance, you may not be able to find your exact appearance preference. For instance, if you want a solid black showline, you are likely going to have a difficult search. Likewise, there are not too many working line breedings out there that will produce a traditional black and tan saddle. Impose any other requirements, and the search becomes that much more difficult.

I don't know if I have ever met a good dog that I thought was "ugly" . . . .

06-19-2014 01:03 PM

Bob_McBob

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Originally Posted by martemchik

They also have terrible hip issues and on many occasions have been called "cancer factories."

And any dog regardless of the breed should be bought from a reputable breeder that does health testing and breeds for proper breed temperament and stability.

06-19-2014 12:58 PM

Shade

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Originally Posted by simba405

Good breeders are important in certain breeds. Id absolutely get a lab or golden from a byb

Speaking from the point of view of somebody whose parents didpurchase a GR from a BYB who had to be euthanized before her 4th birthday due to aggression issues this post makes my stomach clench.

Try explaining to your children ranging from ages 7-15 why your perfectly healthy and happy GR has to be killed because she's unpredictable. Then come back and tell me that their decision to buy that cute cheap puppy was right. My parents felt like utter crap doing that to the family, the next two dogs were labs that came from a reputable breeder who was had a degree in genetics and a long history of healthy and stable dogs

Any dog regardless of breed can be dangerous

06-19-2014 12:34 PM

wyoung2153

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Originally Posted by martemchik

You realize that the highest amount of dog bites have been coming from Goldens in the past few years?

Their temperament has been ruined as well. And there are also working/show lines of those dogs that look way more different than even the working/show lines in the GSD.

They also have terrible hip issues and on many occasions have been called "cancer factories."

Friends of mine that raise puppies for canine companions (SD org) just had a dog returned to them because he was shown to have mild HD. So now they get to keep him for the rest of his life. Not that they care, they love the dog, but it just shows that even some of the most responsible breeding produces problems in that breed.

So true! I was just talking about this the other day. People don't realize these things.. all they see is pits, GSDs, Dobes, and rots because media doesn't share the rest. It might taint the "family" dog image.

06-19-2014 12:29 PM

martemchik

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Originally Posted by simba405

Good breeders are important in certain breeds. Id absolutely get a lab or golden from a byb

Seriously?!?! Why do you think that?

You realize that the highest amount of dog bites have been coming from Goldens in the past few years?

Their temperament has been ruined as well. And there are also working/show lines of those dogs that look way more different than even the working/show lines in the GSD.

They also have terrible hip issues and on many occasions have been called "cancer factories."

Friends of mine that raise puppies for canine companions (SD org) just had a dog returned to them because he was shown to have mild HD. So now they get to keep him for the rest of his life. Not that they care, they love the dog, but it just shows that even some of the most responsible breeding produces problems in that breed.

06-19-2014 12:29 PM

Pax8

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Originally Posted by wyoung2153

I can agree with that to a point. I do think it is much more important to get certain breeds from a breeder, guard breeds, working breeds, dominant, breeds, etc. I think you can get away with byb for other breeds but still would be better off with a reputable breeder in the long run.

Very true. While there aren't the same issues getting a lab from a byb as there would be a shepherd, generally health is still poor. I could get a super friendly lab from pretty much any byb, but I could almost guarantee those hips are gonna blow out at about 5.

So it goes back to what you're looking for.

06-19-2014 12:25 PM

wyoung2153

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Originally Posted by simba405

Good breeders are important in certain breeds. I'd absolutely get a lab or golden from a byb

I can agree with that to a point. I do think it is much more important to get certain breeds from a breeder, guard breeds, working breeds, dominant, breeds, etc. I think you can get away with byb for other breeds but still would be better off with a reputable breeder in the long run.

While this may cause controversy, I see some parallel in getting a dog from a byb and from a shelter in respect to temperament and placing.. you don't know what you are getting into in either case, there is always a low fee regardless, and they don't often do a great job in placing the animals. The difference to me, is obvioulsy the shelter isn't responsible for having the dogs and they are trying to help just get them into a new home. If a byb can't sell their dogs, they will likely end up dead or in a shelter. So in the end you are essentially getting the same dog.. you just aren't financially supporting the ill breeding intentions.

06-19-2014 12:18 PM

lalachka

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Originally Posted by simba405

Good breeders are important in certain breeds. Id absolutely get a lab or golden from a byb

I'd go to a shelter then. For example, I don't care about cats, it's easy for me to pick one. Now, with everything I know, i'd go to a shelter.