UNC_Samurai:Jensaarai: I'm aware. My point is that if there's no proper mechanism for Pirelli to work on their product mid-season using contemporary vehicles, then "it's an untested tire" becomes a bit of a silly reason to shoot down upgrades they try to roll out. (Heh.)

Charlie Whiting needs to put his foot down and say, "Next season, there WILL be mid-season testing." If you add up all the changes taking place next year, it's going to be a potential safety issue.

Jensaarai:I'm aware. My point is that if there's no proper mechanism for Pirelli to work on their product mid-season using contemporary vehicles, then "it's an untested tire" becomes a bit of a silly reason to shoot down upgrades they try to roll out. (Heh.)

Charlie Whiting needs to put his foot down and say, "Next season, there WILL be mid-season testing." If you add up all the changes taking place next year, it's going to be a potential safety issue.

These companies have been making racing tires for DECADES. How is it so impossible to have a tire that allows drivers to drive flat-out for 20-25 laps and not get explode-y?

Perelli can make tyres that good.

F1 doesn't want tyres that good so Perrelli makes tyres that degrade quickly as per their contract.

Exactly. But then who is to blame -- Pirelli or F1? Or both?

Also they were talking about track changes this year -- are the kerbs new and could that be an issue?

F1 is to blame. Nothing is ever left to chance and Perrelli makes them to an exact spec. It should also be noticed that its only a couple of teams who are biatching and those are the teams who made cars that are hard on the tyres. Those teams that have made a car that is soft on its tyres don't have a problem.

If the car is eating its tyres then its a car and driver issue as every one knew what the Perrellis were like before the season started.

Norfolking Chance:cevarius: Norfolking Chance:Gary Anderson: "We have heard a lot today about Turn 4 and we have come to have look at what could be causing these punctures. Looking at the part inside the kerb, it is green to match the grass but it is actually concrete. The cars go over the section and the sidewall of the tyre could be getting caught on a sharp part of the kerb, it is about the height we saw the tyre getting cut and coming off."

Did that particular curb (kerb) have any similar effects on the tires from this weekend's GP2/3 races? Has that curb been modified in any way since last year?

It doesn't look like it but then the tyres, pressures, driving lines and operating tempratures are not the same.

Now this news story is much more timely. At the begining of this month Perrelli wanted to change the construction of the tyres to lessen the chance of delaminations and punctures but the teams blocked it. Now we have had blow outs that could of caused big accidents.

So time and again Perrelli are trying to do a good job but F1 and the teams are stopping them. If i were Perrelli i would tell the teams and Bernie in private to STFU or they will go public with all the crap they are having the put up with and laying the blame where it should belong.

kidgenius:UNC_Samurai: Jensaarai: I'm aware. My point is that if there's no proper mechanism for Pirelli to work on their product mid-season using contemporary vehicles, then "it's an untested tire" becomes a bit of a silly reason to shoot down upgrades they try to roll out. (Heh.)

Charlie Whiting needs to put his foot down and say, "Next season, there WILL be mid-season testing." If you add up all the changes taking place next year, it's going to be a potential safety issue.

King Something:Jensaarai: soj4life: Jensaarai: So Pirelli wanted to bring a different tire. Teams throw a massive tantrum. And now it's just going to be endless whining.

If I were Pirelli, I'd tell F1 to go fark themselves ASAP.

More it was Pirelli putting an untested tire onto the whole field and seeing what happens. What this past decade shows is that going the cheap route so that you end up with teams like HRT, Virgin/Marussia, Team Lotus/Caterham is not good for the sport. If the field has only 16 cars, but they can all compete, that is better than 22 cars with some only ably to keep with the pack.

But we saw what happens when they try to test potential compounds with a contemporary car. Everyone else shiats themselves with rage.

That's because of the rules regarding in-season testing. Teams are not allowed to test the current year's or previous year's car from ten days before the first race of the year to 31 Dec of the same year, but testing year-before-last's car and older cars is permitted. That's why Ferrari and Red Bull were unhappy with Mercedes' test.

/Mercedes' "punishment" was exclusion from this year's Young Driver Test

I'm aware. My point is that if there's no proper mechanism for Pirelli to work on their product mid-season using contemporary vehicles, then "it's an untested tire" becomes a bit of a silly reason to shoot down upgrades they try to roll out. (Heh.)

Jensaarai:So Pirelli wanted to bring a different tire. Teams throw a massive tantrum. And now it's just going to be endless whining.

If I were Pirelli, I'd tell F1 to go fark themselves ASAP.

More it was Pirelli putting an untested tire onto the whole field and seeing what happens. What this past decade shows is that going the cheap route so that you end up with teams like HRT, Virgin/Marussia, Team Lotus/Caterham is not good for the sport. If the field has only 16 cars, but they can all compete, that is better than 22 cars with some only ably to keep with the pack.

These companies have been making racing tires for DECADES. How is it so impossible to have a tire that allows drivers to drive flat-out for 20-25 laps and not get explode-y?

F1 specifically requested tires that would degrade to help competition. They got what they asked for.

And other tire manufacturers are using it to destroy Pirelli's reputation with the public. I wouldn't be surprised if Pirelli say "Fark it all" and Bernie struggles to find a replacement without the requirement that the tires be made out of pure feces.

If I didn't know better (and I do), I would be someone watching these F1 races and saying "I don't want Pirelli's on my car".

Obviously, Pirelli makes world-class tires. I believe Ferrari's are shod with them from the factory.

Pirelli should just get out. Let F1 have no reputable tire supplier, except for some no-name China tire that is willing to take a gamble. Bridgestone, Michelin, etc., should be looking at F1 and saying DO NOT WANT!

These companies have been making racing tires for DECADES. How is it so impossible to have a tire that allows drivers to drive flat-out for 20-25 laps and not get explode-y?

F1 specifically requested tires that would degrade to help competition. They got what they asked for.

And other tire manufacturers are using it to destroy Pirelli's reputation with the public. I wouldn't be surprised if Pirelli say "Fark it all" and Bernie struggles to find a replacement without while keeping the requirement that the tires be made out of pure feces.

These companies have been making racing tires for DECADES. How is it so impossible to have a tire that allows drivers to drive flat-out for 20-25 laps and not get explode-y?

F1 specifically requested tires that would degrade to help competition. They got what they asked for.

And other tire manufacturers are using it to destroy Pirelli's reputation with the public. I wouldn't be surprised if Pirelli say "Fark it all" and Bernie struggles to find a replacement without the requirement that the tires be made out of pure feces.