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Laurel James

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Message 1 of 26
, Jun 2, 2014

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> Subject: Red Hot Jazz - William Covington Perry
>
> Re: http://www.redhotjazz.com/sixblackdi.html
>
> Dear Mr. Red Hot Jazz:
>
> I see you have referred to my Grandfather’s band,
> Perry’s Hot Dogs, twice in the Index. His name is not
> included anywhere.
>
>  (Perry's Hot Dogs) Flamin' Mamie 2-1926 New York,
> New York Banner
>  (Perry's Hot Dogs) Say, Mister ! Have You Met
> Rosie's Sister ? 2-1926 New York, New York Banner
>
> William Covington Perry, Conductor, Arranger and Composer,
> pianist, organist. His Birth was Jan 1895 in Pennsylvania
> and his Death on 30 Oct 1936 in Banning, California, at a
> Sanitarium for TB patients. His wife was an Opera Singer at
> the Old Met in the Chorus, Victoria Mae Perry. His daughter
> Barbara Mae Perry is still alive.
>
> Would you please give him the credit he is due for this
> band on your site. My mother could tell you about him for

> hours and all the band members. I am now a member of this group.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
> Ms Laurel James

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Laurel James

FYI: Another hit for William and his Hot Dog s on You Tube. ... On Mon, 6/2/14, Laurel James wrote:

> New York Banner
>  (Perry's Hot Dogs) Say, Mister ! Have You
Met
> Rosie's Sister ? 2-1926 New York, New York Banner
>
> William Covington Perry, Conductor, Arranger and
Composer,
> pianist, organist. His Birth was Jan 1895 in
Pennsylvania
> and his Death on 30 Oct 1936 in Banning, California, at
a
> Sanitarium for TB patients. His wife was an Opera
Singer at
> the Old Met in the Chorus, Victoria Mae Perry. His
daughter
> Barbara Mae Perry is still alive.
>
> Would you please give him the credit he is due for
this
> band on your site. My mother could tell you about him
for
> hours and all the band members. I am now a member of
this group.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>

> Ms Laurel James

Dave Lang

Hi Laurel! Not sure how active this group is anymore (yours is the first message I ve ever received from it) but I wanted to let you know I got your message

Message 3 of 26
, Jun 3, 2014

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Hi Laurel! Not sure how active this group is anymore (yours is the first message I've ever received from it) but I wanted to let you know I got your message and the youtube link sounds great!

Hello Dave, hello all, Thank you for acknowledging Laurel s message and link, this group has been quite inactive for something like a year, but its 800+

Message 4 of 26
, Jun 4, 2014

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Hello Dave, hello all,

Thank you for acknowledging Laurel's message and link, this group has been
quite inactive for something like a year, but its 800+ subscribers are still
there... maybe I should make a monthly annoucement for new members (who keep
learning about this group while visiting the RHJA welcome page) to explain
once again several important points :
a) There is no way that we know of to get in touch with Scott Alexander, who
vanished from the group years ago and left his great website unattended.
b) None of us is in charge of Scott's website, which means that nothing can
be changed/improved/repaired by anyone... but its absent webmaster
c) The brief introductions which Yahoo encourages every new subscriber to
write are never sent to the group itself, which is a shame since many of
them contain very interesting questions or informations. Of course, I can
read each of these as the group's owner/moderator, but as I explained to
Laurel, I never take the liberty of forwarding them myself - some people may
not like to see their identities displayed on the message board without
their explicite consent, so it is up to you to post to the group once you
have been accepted as a member... maybe I should add that a public
introduction is the safest way to let me know you are a "real person" and I
can safely remove the moderation feature.

Another point I intended to make long ago is that it is not a good idea to
use a dummy email address while subscribing - or one you never fancy using
again. I had to put under moderation, or silently remove several people
because they could not be reached - my warnings did not regard behaviour on
the list, but unresquested messages which meant their accounts or their
computers had been infected or hacked some way or other. I do not know if
this group still has any future, but I will stick to the simple procedures
which made it 100% safe for nearly ten years.

Patrice

warrington1@btinternet.com

Dear Patrice I for one would be sorry if the group did become inactive. As a non-expert RedHotJazz enthusiast I have so much to learn. It s absolutely certain

Message 5 of 26
, Jun 5, 2014

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Dear PatriceI for one would be sorry if the group did become
inactive. As a non-expert RedHotJazz enthusiast I have so much to learn.
It's absolutely certain that there is information within the group that
other members might think is obvious or that is well known to them or
that they don't think would be of interest to people like me. They would
be wrong. I had some really good advice off members when I asked some
time ago what I should seek out to listen to first in my quest to find
out what was best in RHJ. Sometimes, anyway, it's good to go over old
ground. I bet members enjoyed Radio 4's recent Book of the Week: Louis
Armstrong - Master of Modernism. Was there any new information in it? I
don't know. But it was a great listen. Perhaps, Patrice, it would be
useful to members like me if you set out the basic reasons for the
group's existence or gave us a topic to explore/ask about/air our
thoughts on. I don't mean to be presumptuous or stick my nose in where
it's not wanted - it's just that I get so little chance to discuss RHJ
with anyone and wouldn't want to lose this one valuable connection.Thanks for reading,Phil

warrington1@btinternet.com

Dear Patrice I for one would be sorry if the group did become inactive. As a non-expert RedHotJazz enthusiast I have so much to learn. It s absolutely certain

Message 6 of 26
, Jun 5, 2014

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Dear PatriceI for one would be sorry if the group did become
inactive. As a non-expert RedHotJazz enthusiast I have so much to learn.
It's absolutely certain that there is information within the group that
other members might think is obvious or that is well known to them or
that they don't think would be of interest to people like me. They would
be wrong. I had some really good advice off members when I asked some
time ago what I should seek out to listen to first in my quest to find
out what was best in RHJ. Sometimes, anyway, it's good to go over old
ground. I bet members enjoyed Radio 4's recent Book of the Week: Louis
Armstrong - Master of Modernism. Was there any new information in it? I
don't know. But it was a great listen. Perhaps, Patrice, it would be
useful to members like me if you set out the basic reasons for the
group's existence or gave us a topic to explore/ask about/air our
thoughts on. I don't mean to be presumptuous or stick my nose in where
it's not wanted - it's just that I get so little chance to discuss RHJ
with anyone and wouldn't want to lose this one valuable connection.Thanks for reading,Phil

Frankie Dusen (usual spelling) played trombone with Buddy Bolden in his later career and, when Bolden went South around 1907, took over the band and renamed

Message 10 of 26
, Jun 12, 2014

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Frankie Dusen (usual spelling) played trombone with Buddy Bolden in his later career and, when Bolden "went South" around 1907, took over the band and renamed it the Eagle Band. In that respect, he holds an important place in early jazz history. Best source: In Search of Buddy Bolden by Don Marquis.

Cheers!

Peter G

alan504450

There is a photograph of Frankie Duson on page six of A pictorial History of Jazz by Orrin Keepnews & Bill Grauer Jr. It seems to have been taken in about

Message 11 of 26
, Jun 12, 2014

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There is a photograph of Frankie Duson on page six of 'A pictorial History of Jazz' by Orrin Keepnews & Bill Grauer Jr. It seems to have been taken in about 1923. In his own handwriting on the picture his name is spelled Duson. My copy dates from 1968 and doesn't even have an ISBN but I know there are second hand copies available at very reasonable prices via the internet.TTFN - 007

Frankie Dusen (usual spelling) played trombone with Buddy Bolden in his later career and, when Bolden "went South" around 1907, took over the band and renamed it the Eagle Band. In that respect, he holds an important place in early jazz history. Best source: In Search of Buddy Bolden by Don Marquis.

Frankie Dusen (usual spelling) played trombone with Buddy Bolden in his later career and, when Bolden "went South" around 1907, took over the band and renamed it the Eagle Band. In that respect, he holds an important place in early jazz history. Best source: In Search of Buddy Bolden by Don Marquis.

There is a photograph of Frankie Duson on page six of 'A pictorial History of Jazz' by Orrin Keepnews & Bill Grauer Jr. It seems to have been taken in about 1923. In his own handwriting on the picture his name is spelled Duson. My copy dates from 1968 and doesn't even have an ISBN but I know there are second hand copies available at very reasonable prices via the internet.TTFN - 007

Frankie Dusen (usual spelling) played trombone with Buddy Bolden in his later career and, when Bolden "went South" around 1907, took over the band and renamed it the Eagle Band. In that respect, he holds an important place in early jazz history. Best source: In Search of Buddy Bolden by Don Marquis.

Hi Alan Dug out the Pictorial History . Appalling print quality -- Czechoslovakia -- at the time and after 50 years very hard to see. That photo of Duson I

Message 17 of 26
, Jun 13, 2014

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Hi Alan

Dug out the 'Pictorial History'. Appalling print quality --
Czechoslovakia -- at the time and after 50 years very hard to see.

That photo of Duson I cannot find in any other source nor online.

By the wonders(?) of Google Street View you can see 1425 Leontine, New
Orleans as it is now -- or recently anyway.

Possible the photo was taken outside.

Dave

Peter Reid

Hi, There seems to be only 1 photograph of Frank Duson (also spelt Dusen) available and that is the one in A Pictorial History of Jazz on page 6. My copy is

Message 18 of 26
, Jun 13, 2014

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Hi,
There seems to be only 1 photograph of Frank Duson (also spelt
Dusen) available and that is the one in "A Pictorial History of
Jazz" on page 6. My copy is 1969 printed in Prague, and the quality
of some of the photos is abysmal as you say. Frank Dusen is
mentioned by Jelly in "Buddy Bolden Blues"

Dug out the 'Pictorial History'. Appalling print quality
--
Czechoslovakia -- at the time and after 50 years very hard
to see.

That photo of Duson I cannot find in any other source nor
online.

By the wonders(?) of Google Street View you can see 1425
Leontine, New
Orleans as it is now -- or recently anyway.

Possible the photo was taken outside.

Dave

RD Blackard

Hi Dave, Laurel, and Anyone Else! You have commented wondering how active this Group has been lately, and are correct in noting little posting in the last

Message 19 of 26
, Jun 13, 2014

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Hi Dave, Laurel, and Anyone Else!

You have commented wondering how active this Group has been lately, and are correct in noting little posting in the last months.

I have never been a strong participant here, and have noted in the past that others have been MUCH more knowledgeable than I in most of the topics brought up. I confess to being more of a looker and lurker than a post-er, but have really enjoyed learning a lot about some great early Jazz Music here.

I figured I ought to
post something now, though, to let you and any others that there is some breathing going on among the bushes around here. :) I have been involved in a number of things lately, and thus not on line much since maybe early March. I am hoping to get caught up and back into at least an occasional contribution to this group soon.

Many thanks John for the census details. No doubt at all that Duson is correct spelling for it also appears as such on the photo in Pictorial History

Message 20 of 26
, Jun 13, 2014

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Many thanks John for the census details.

No doubt at all that Duson is correct spelling for it also appears as
such on the photo in 'Pictorial History' seemingly taken to display his
automobile which is centre and beside which a nattily dressed Duson and,
I assume, his son stand.

Does this suggest he was pretty affluent by black N.O. standards ?

Anybody know another source for this photo stated to be 'probably 1923'?

You
have commented wondering how active this Group has been lately, and are correct
in noting little posting in the last months.

I
have never been a strong participant here, and have noted in the past that
others have been MUCH more knowledgeable than I in most of the topics brought
up. I confess to being more of a looker and lurker than a post-er, but
have really enjoyed learning a lot about some great early Jazz Music
here.

I
figured I ought to post something now, though, to let you and any others that
there is some breathing going on among the bushes around here. :) I
have been involved in a number of things lately, and thus not on line much since
maybe early March. I am hoping to get caught up and back into at least an
occasional contribution to this group soon.

I
do hope others will get active here again, too.

Same here ! Someone suggested I should launch new topics from
time to time, but what is happening just now is much more promising than any
artficial survival operation. We are exactly 892 subscribers today, most of whom
never posted... some have been here for ten years, and ramained faithful to the
“email” option, I guess, to have the feeling they are “part of it” but we are a
majority – even myself as the founder/owner of this group – who are mostly here
for learning.

I have just made a change to the group’s status which, I think
might give it a kick, setting the normal status to “unmoderated”. Beause it
matches the normal status of all active members, because it has always been a
real chore to individually “un-moderate” new subscrbers, and because neither
Yahoo nor myself can cope with such a sign of good health as floods of messages
to “approve” in no time.

This will not affect security, I think, since “indivdual”
spammers have nearly disappeared (robots do that much better, and they have very
little chance to be allowed in the group !) We’ll keep watching
anyway.

Patrice

John McCusker

Dusen lived next door to Lorenzo Staultz on Leontine in the teens. The original buildings are gone. On Friday, June 13, 2014 10:28 AM, David Brown

Message 22 of 26
, Jun 13, 2014

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Dusen lived next door to Lorenzo Staultz on Leontine in the teens. The original buildings are gone.

No doubt at all that Duson is correct spelling for it also appears as
such on the photo in 'Pictorial History' seemingly taken to display his
automobile which is centre and beside which a nattily dressed Duson and,
I assume, his son stand.

Does this suggest he was pretty affluent by black N.O. standards ?

Anybody know another source for this photo stated to be 'probably 1923'?

You have commented wondering how active this Group has been lately, and are correct in noting little posting in the last months.

I have never been a strong participant here, and have noted in the past that others have been MUCH more knowledgeable than I in most of the topics brought up. I confess to being more of a looker and lurker than a post-er, but have really enjoyed learning a lot about some great early Jazz Music here.

I figured I ought to post something now, though, to let you and any others that there is some breathing going on among the bushes around here. :) I have been involved in a number of things lately, and thus not on line much since maybe early March. I am hoping to get caught up and back into at least an occasional contribution to this group soon.

You
have commented wondering how active this Group has been lately, and are correct
in noting little posting in the last months.

I
have never been a strong participant here, and have noted in the past that
others have been MUCH more knowledgeable than I in most of the topics brought
up. I confess to being more of a looker and lurker than a post-er, but
have really enjoyed learning a lot about some great early Jazz Music
here.

I
figured I ought to post something now, though, to let you and any others that
there is some breathing going on among the bushes around here. :) I
have been involved in a number of things lately, and thus not on line much since
maybe early March. I am hoping to get caught up and back into at least an
occasional contribution to this group soon.

I
do hope others will get active here again, too.

Same here ! Someone suggested I should launch new topics from
time to time, but what is happening just now is much more promising than any
artficial survival operation. We are exactly 892 subscribers today, most of whom
never posted... some have been here for ten years, and ramained faithful to the
“email” option, I guess, to have the feeling they are “part of it” but we are a
majority – even myself as the founder/owner of this group – who are mostly here
for learning.

I have just made a change to the group’s status which, I think
might give it a kick, setting the normal status to “unmoderated”. Beause it
matches the normal status of all active members, because it has always been a
real chore to individually “un-moderate” new subscrbers, and because neither
Yahoo nor myself can cope with such a sign of good health as floods of messages
to “approve” in no time.

This will not affect security, I think, since “indivdual”
spammers have nearly disappeared (robots do that much better, and they have very
little chance to be allowed in the group !) We’ll keep watching
anyway.

Patrice

RD Blackard

Hi Patrice! I agree, but would eagerly support any input which gets a pulse pumping. :) Two cents from Bob Blackard -- a beautiful late spring day in

Message 25 of 26
, Jun 16, 2014

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Hi Patrice!

I agree, but would eagerly support any input which gets a pulse pumping. :)

You have commented wondering how active this Group has been lately, and are
correct in noting little posting in the last months.

>

I have never been a strong participant here, and have noted in the past that
others have been MUCH more knowledgeable than I in most of the topics brought
up. I confess to being more of a looker and lurker than a post-er, but

> have really enjoyed learning a lot about some great early Jazz Music

here.

>

I figured I ought to post something now, though, to let you and any others that
there is some breathing going on among the bushes around here. :) I
have been involved in a number of things lately, and thus not on line much since

> maybe early March. I am hoping to get caught up and back into at

least an occasional contribution to this group soon.

>

I do hope others will get active here again, too.

Same here ! Someone suggested I should launch new topics from time to
time, but what is happening just now is much more promising than any artficial
survival operation. We are exactly 892 subscribers today, most of whom never
posted... some have been here for ten years, and remained faithful to the
“email” option, I guess, to have the feeling they are “part of it” ; but we are
a majority who are mostly here for learning – even yours truly, as the founder
and owner.

I have just made a change to the group’s default features, removing
the moderation of new members. Beause a lot of those who never posted have been
“new’'” for years, because it has always been a chore to individually
“un-moderate” every active subscriber, and because neither Yahoo nor myself can
cope with such a sign of good health as floods of messages to “approve” in no
time. Not forgetting the long hours when the group is unattended because we also
need to sleep.

This will not affect security, I think, since “individual” spammers
have completely vanished from the Web nowadays (robots do that much better, and
they have very little chance to be allowed in !) We’ll keep watching anyway,
with our... frying pans (not everyone can properly handle a rolling
pin).

It seems that in spite of the “no attachment” rule, Yahoo now allows
pictures in our posts (with the “rich text” option) ! I trust they know what
they are doing, and no harmful code can reach us this way (it is “their” HTML
code, after all, not the sender’s). I have also seen they added an ugly banner
on top of the group’s page, I am no addict to the “Web features” but if somone
can think of a wiiiiiide, topic-related pic to replace this one, please let me
know off-list.

Patrice

Laurel James

I am going home to LA for a month and a half. My mother is 92 and loves to talk about her Dad s band...if you wish to call to take note of the history she was

Message 26 of 26
, Nov 20, 2014

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I am going home to LA for a month and a half. My mother is 92 and loves to talk about her Dad's band...if you wish to call to take note of the history she was part of I can give you the number and you and she can have a chinwag about William Perry..... Just a thought. Thanks, Laurel James

> Subject: Red Hot Jazz - William Covington Perry > > Re: http://www.redhotjazz.com/sixblackdi.html > > Dear Mr. Red Hot Jazz: > > I see you have referred to my Grandfather’s band, > Perry’s Hot Dogs, twice in the Index. His name is not > included anywhere. > >  (Perry's Hot Dogs) Flamin' Mamie 2-1926 New York, > New York Banner >  (Perry's Hot Dogs) Say, Mister ! Have You Met > Rosie's Sister ? 2-1926 New York, New York Banner > > William Covington Perry, Conductor, Arranger and Composer, > pianist, organist. His Birth was Jan 1895 in Pennsylvania > and his Death on 30 Oct 1936 in Banning, California, at a > Sanitarium for TB patients. His wife was an Opera Singer at > the Old Met in the Chorus, Victoria Mae Perry. His daughter > Barbara Mae Perry is still alive. > > Would you please give him the credit he is due for this > band on your site. My mother could tell you about him for > hours and all the band members. I am now a member of this group. > > Thank you. > > Kind Regards, > > > Ms Laurel James

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