Fun barstool debate between fans with both guys having pretty insane years. In the end it may come down to who goes further in the playoffs. Rodgers won't play much this Sunday, so that may hurt his chances. In the end, another Lombardi trophy is all that matters to either. Go Pack!

Brees is an incredible athlete. There was a story in the Los Angeles Times a few days ago qouting a top ranked tennis player. Can't remember the name, but the fellow is ranked in the top half dozen tennis players in the world. In his high school days Brees played tennis with this fellow. Brees played maybe once a week; this guy was playing every day getting ready for a tennis career. Brees beat him every time.

I'm a San Diego Chargers fan. The Chargers essentially gave Brees away at the end of a season. He'd had an injury; Phillip Rivers was waiting in the wings. (No way that's it fair to either one of those guys to be the "2d quarterback" on a two quarterback team. Both needed to be starters.)

But what's most impressive about Brees is how he's adopted and adapted to the community in New Orleans. He and his wife are solid citizens in the best meaning of that term. If he chooses to live in New Orleans after retirement, I doubt he'll ever pay a bar or restaurant tab in New Orleans for the rest of his life.

Brees is making it closer that I'd have thought, but it's still Rodgers, quite plainly in my opinion. The ridiculous passer rating, the touchdowns with only 6 picks, and the complete lack of drama in key situations make it Rodgers. It also helps that he is 41-1, and didn't lost to the Rams.

Rodgers' Packers have beaten each of the teams in the Saints' division, including the Saints. Brees is having a great year, and the passing yards record is impressive, but he has fewer TD's and more than twice the interceptions. Ultimately, it's a game of winning, and TD's help more than yards. Brees makes it closer than I thought a few weeks ago, but it's still ROdgers

Can't anyone see the essential unfairness that these QB's are in the exact same tax bracket as the receivers and linemen? Their glory would not exist were it not for the efforts of these less glorified players. These QB's should be in a higher bracket and a surcharge should be levied on those who date Victoria Secret models.

When Drew Brees was beating Andy Roddick, Roddick was 9 years old and playing against older players to challenge himself.

The MVP race is not close. Aaron Rodgers is by far the superior player this season. Brees is having an historic season, but Rodgers doesn't even have to throw for as many yards because he's not throwing interceptions. 40+ TDs with fewer than 10 interceptions is just incredible.

Rodgers' quarterback rating is 122. This is freaking amazing. Brees is really good at 106 too. 158.6 is perfect.

There is a new quarterback rating called QBR which tries to measure other things a quarterback does to succeed such as avoiding sacks or throwing the ball away. 100 is perfect. Rodgers has an 87. Brees has a 79.

This is not a contest. Aaron Rodgers is currently playing as the best quarterback in NFL history. And it sucks so much because my Bears have to play the best quarterback ever for another 15 years...AGAIN!

Rodgers is having a great season, but he's probably not going to break the TD pass record and he's not going to beat the passing yards record. He will probably beat Manning's QB rating record from 2004 because his passing yards per attempt and TD-Int ratiois amazing. But the passing yards and TD passes are the milestones to hit, and Rodgers isn't going to hit them.

Rodgers has had three good seasons, give it a rest as far as best ever. When he does it for 10 years like Manning, Brady, Brees, and Warner did (not to mention Favre, Marino, Montana, Elway), then you can put him in that categroy. Not until then.

Why all interceptions are counted against the QB is beyond me. Look at 70% of interception and you'll see a missed route of a tipped-ball from a WR. I'm the last one to want any more changes in the NFL, but ERRORS should be implememnted in stats.

I would rather have both, which is why Marino's 1984 season was so outstanding. He shattered two records, something neither Manning nor Brady could do. They broke the TD record without breaking the passing record. Brees has broken the passing record, but isn't close to the TD record.

Rodgers ain't breaking either. He will break the single-season passer rating record, unless he has a bad game against the Lions. Steve Young has the highest career passer rating. It's a nice feather in the cap, but no one really cares.

Given the style of play, etc., Marino's 1984 season is still the single greatest season by any QB ever.

Given the style of play, etc., Marino's 1984 season is still the single greatest season by any QB ever.

Yeah, but McMahon (Chicago) in 1985 and Warner (St Louis) in 2000 were more fun to watch. Warner's season had the benefit of not ending with a blowout Superbowl, adding to it's fun factor. I clearly remember that being the one year that people actually went to the bathroom during the commercials because the game was so close.

You make a fine point about his worth to the Colts, but that means nothing to the MVP race.

Rodgers and Brees and Brady have all been lights out this year. My eyes and gut tell me Aaron Rodgers has been the best. Brees and Brady have been great passing; Rodgers has been their equal or better in passing and he makes plays running too. Rodgers has had the best season I've ever seen, and I watched all of Brady's games in 07 when he set the TD record.

McCullough,hI'm not among those who've been saying Rodgers is having the greatest season ever (though it's up somewhere near the top), but the questions is MVP for the season, and more specifically, is he having a better season than Brees. Brees has more yards, and the record for yards. That's big. TD's are more significant, and Rodgers has that. Victories are more significant, and Rodgers has that. Interceptions are big, adn Brees has more. The passing yards record is big - it's lasted a long time, through some serious passers. Brees gets lots of credit for that, but IMO, he's still second to Rodgers.

Yards after catch reflects on the quarterback because making the correct read and hitting a receiver in stride matters and is part of the quaterback's skill set. Accuracy and timing is a big part of big plays at the NFL level.

Yards after catch reflects on the quarterback because making the correct read and hitting a receiver in stride matters and is part of the quaterback's skill set.

Subjective. The receiver could be running a hook, flare or cross pattern in which hitting him in stride does nothing to add to the forward progress of the ball. You could argue that the receiver turns his own forward momentum into forward yardage, but that doesn't apply to hooks or flares.

And the receiver could be running a slant, which absolutely depends on the QB hitting him in stride. Pulling out examples where hitting a WR in stride matters less is cherrypicking to make a point. It's never bad to hit a receiver in stride and often results in big plays. Certainly, there's a much higher likelihood of something good happening after the catch, than if the WR has to stop to come back to the pass.

Granted, football is a team game. The receiver may never get the ball in the first place if the O-line breaks down. A receiver may also get taken out of the game on a high, late throw that leaves him vulnerable to a big hit. Hitting a receiver in stride and on the correct shoulder matters at the NFL level.

No, they are the indirect result of the completed pass. They are the direct result of the receiver's skill in rushing.

Well...how well covered the receiver is also matters, as does his position w/r/t the sideline. So selection, seeing who is open, and seeing who won't go out of bounds upon receiving, is part of a QB's skill set.It isn't like the rushing yards aren't also counted in the receiver's stats.

I was surprised to hear that sacks made only became an official stat thirty years ago.

I was surprised to hear that sacks made only became an official stat thirty years ago.

As Robert correctly mentioned, football is a team sport, possibly the ultimate in terms of what we currently consider professional level endeavors. A sack can result from both the QB not reading the rush properly or being where he's supposed to be, to a play-action back not picking up the block he's supposed to, to the O-line failing in one way or another (or all three in one play).

Each and every play requires each member of the team to be doing a very specific thing at the exact same time or it all goes gaggle.

That being said, there's little better in professional sports than a well executed pass play.

Mike said...Brees is an incredible athlete. There was a story in the Los Angeles Times a few days ago qouting a top ranked tennis player. Can't remember the name, but the fellow is ranked in the top half dozen tennis players in the world. In his high school days Brees played tennis with this fellow. Brees played maybe once a week; this guy was playing every day getting ready for a tennis career. Brees beat him every time=============The tennis player was Andy Roddick. A star. Nine years in the tennis top 10, only Roger Federer of current players has more time in the Top 10. Andy Roddick still holds the record for fastest serve ever in the game.Brees is more than fair - saying that when he played Andy as a kid, Andy was "playing up", being 3 years younger than Brees....and Brees had no doubt that Roddick would eventually beat him unless Brees chose tennis over football as his focus.But Brees could have been a tennis star.Some athletes are like that..they have the ability to be a star in multiple sports but are forced to confront the reality that at the very top - there are others as gifted and the only way they can compete at that pinnacle in the sport is to focus on just one sport at some point.

Tennis stars Federer, Nadal, and Tsongas could have been stars in FIFA. Especially Nadal.

Lindsay Vonn's great rival and friend in skiing is the German Maria Reisch. Riesch was also nationally ranked as a cyclist, and basketball player as a junior, and was unbeatable as a tennis player in Euro competition in her age class. She was thought to be too tall (eventually 6 feet) to win at skiing at the highest level, but won 2 Olympic gold medals and the Womans World Cup Tour when Vonn didn't. The German sport club community tried discouraging Riesch from skiing on the height issue, arguing she seriously could be #1 in world competition in tennis some day or be a star in the basketball program.

It works like that in sports. These days, the best must choose. Mike Jordan had to choose between baseball and basketball when he was a kid with serious talent at both.

Some athletes are like that..they have the ability to be a star in multiple sports but are forced to confront the reality that at the very top -

One of the Saints' receivers played no high school football and only one season of college football. They talked about him during last night's game. He's 6'5", was a basketball star, and has hands that would be proportionate to the body of a man 8' tall.Built to be an athlete.

Mark Sanchez has huge hands, too. Just huge. I wonder if he could even play football if he had smaller lady hands.

I didn't read all the comments, but it's a distinct possibility the AP could name Rodgers and Brees co-winners as they did in 2003. Or they could create an even bigger media event and create a three way tie by throwing Brady in as well.

I think it would be a mistake and would dilute the value of the MVP designation, but we live in an era where everybody gets a participation trophy - so who knows.

"Brees should have won the MVP a couple of years ago when Manning won his fourth."

What McCullough said.

I like seeing this debate; it's hard to argue against Rodgers, but it's also satisfying to see that MVP is not a coronation. Brees is having a spectacular season-actually, he's been hot since 2008- and the Saints are a better team now than they were in October.

The best thing about Brees isn't his record-setting yardage, but his leadership. The Saints are playing well in all aspects of offense and special teams; the defense makes me nervous with Greg Williams' "bend don't break" approach, but keeping opponents to 3 in the red zone knowing they have Drew Brees coming back on the field seems to be working.

I hope we see the Saints and Packers once more this season, in the playoffs. Brees will be challenged by Lambeau, but it will be a highly entertaining game, truly showcasing the best in football.

It's hard for me to process that last night, the Saints locked up the NFC South, again. The focus on Brees is worthwhile; he earned it. But I am probably happiest that these days, it's not something out of fantasy land to see the Saints winning their division, let alone being in the playoffs with a real chance at going the distance.

Brees is ahead of Rodgers in yardage, but he also throws the ball a lot more. If Rodgers had thrown the ball as much as Brees given his current level of production, here's how they would stack up:

Stat Brees RodgersYards 5,087 5,753TDs 41 56Ints 13 7

At any rate, a 45/6 TD/INT ratio and a rating of 122.5 is simply phenomenal and blows away Brees' 108.4 rating. In fact, out of 15 games so far this season, Brees has exceeded Rodger's AVERAGE QB rating only 4 times.