Four arrested after anti-fracking campaigners glue themselves to petrol pumps

FOUR people have been arrested after anti-fracking protestors in protective clothing glued their hands to petrol pumps at a Total petrol station in Great Lever.

Three men and a woman, who also used bike D-locks to lock themselves to the pumps, remain in police custody after the incident that took place at about 1pm today and forced the petrol station to cease operating.

Those arrested are from a campaign group against test drilling at Barton Moss in Salford.

A peaceful protest organised by the newly formed Bolton against Fracking group and attended by members of the Bolton Green Party was already taking place at the petrol station and was not linked to the campaigners who attached themselves to the pumps.

The unknown activists have been criticised by Bolton Green party chairman Alan Johnson for "undermining" efforts to educate people about the dangers of fracking, the controversial process of extracting shale gas from the earth.

He said: "I was very annoyed and I have to stress that these people have nothing to do with our protest.

"We were there to protest peacefully and warn people about the dangers of fracking and these people have put themselves and others in danger with what they did."

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Campaign group Frack Free Greater Manchester had called for people to protest outside Total petrol stations after it was announced that the French firm would be investing at least £12.7 million in the UK's shale gas industry.

Group member Sophie Baxter said: "Every company that is going to invest in fracking needs to expect these kind of actions.

"We were very proud of the guys who did this today and were cheering when he heard about it."

But Reezwan Patel, manager of the Rishton Lane petrol station said the petrol station is in fact no longer owned by Total.

He said: "It is owned by Certas Energy but the signs haven’t changed yet, so they got that wrong.

“We had to close for six hours, so with the loss of custom and the damage that has been done to the pumps, it could be a couple of thousand pounds we have lost, I am dreading getting the quote."

“The peaceful protestors were very polite and actually apologised for what happened — but the others were very stupid and have cost us a lot of money.”

Specialist police officers were required to remove the Barton Moss protestors from the pumps.

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A GMP spokesman said: "Two men have been arrested for criminal damage and a man and a woman have been arrested for criminal damage and criminal trespass, they all remain in police custody for questioning."

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Comments (72)

Four arrested after anti-fracking campaigners glue themselves to petrol pumps

NealNeal says...7:32pm Sat 18 Jan 14

bloody idiots, feel sorry for the local residents and staff employed by the service station. Lock em all up, well done the Police on the arrests made, great job.

bloody idiots, feel sorry for the local residents and staff employed by the service station. Lock em all up, well done the Police on the arrests made, great job.NealNeal

bloody idiots, feel sorry for the local residents and staff employed by the service station. Lock em all up, well done the Police on the arrests made, great job.

Score: 0

steveG says...7:41pm Sat 18 Jan 14

Fracking is a big part of our future energy supply - get used to it.

Fracking is a big part of our future energy supply - get used to it.steveG

Fracking is a big part of our future energy supply - get used to it.

Score: 2

adatherton says...7:50pm Sat 18 Jan 14

None of these protestors are from round here, they are professional agitators mostly from posh families. If they don't want fracking, what do they want? Nuclear? Coal-burning? Wind and solar provide about 1% of our energy needs.

None of these protestors are from round here, they are professional agitators mostly from posh families. If they don't want fracking, what do they want? Nuclear? Coal-burning? Wind and solar provide about 1% of our energy needs.adatherton

None of these protestors are from round here, they are professional agitators mostly from posh families. If they don't want fracking, what do they want? Nuclear? Coal-burning? Wind and solar provide about 1% of our energy needs.

Score: -1

Sickandtiredoffit says...8:06pm Sat 18 Jan 14

should have left them there

should have left them thereSickandtiredoffit

should have left them there

Score: -3

JustBecause says...8:09pm Sat 18 Jan 14

Fracking idiots, I would have left them and charged people a fiver to pi33 on them, donate it to charity.

Fracking idiots, I would have left them and charged people a fiver to pi33 on them, donate it to charity.JustBecause

Fracking idiots, I would have left them and charged people a fiver to pi33 on them, donate it to charity.

Score: 15

aardwolf says...9:37pm Sat 18 Jan 14

Message to protestors:- "Grow up and get a job".

Message to protestors:- "Grow up and get a job".aardwolf

Message to protestors:- "Grow up and get a job".

Score: 11

albertmodley says...9:38pm Sat 18 Jan 14

JustBecause wrote…

Fracking idiots, I would have left them and charged people a fiver to pi33 on them, donate it to charity.

Sorry ,better still charge £1.40 a litre for gas, spray em and let em sweat as to who would be first passing stranger to light a fag.(Only joking)

[quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote:
Fracking idiots, I would have left them and charged people a fiver to pi33 on them, donate it to charity.[/p][/quote]Sorry ,better still charge £1.40 a litre for gas, spray em and let em sweat as to who would be first passing stranger to light a fag.(Only joking)albertmodley

JustBecause wrote…

Fracking idiots, I would have left them and charged people a fiver to pi33 on them, donate it to charity.

Sorry ,better still charge £1.40 a litre for gas, spray em and let em sweat as to who would be first passing stranger to light a fag.(Only joking)

Score: -10

albertmodley says...9:41pm Sat 18 Jan 14

JustBecause wrote…

Fracking idiots, I would have left them and charged people a fiver to pi33 on them, donate it to charity.

Sorry ,better still charge £1.40 a litre for gas, spray em and let em sweat as to who would be first passing stranger to light a fag.(Only joking)

[quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote:
Fracking idiots, I would have left them and charged people a fiver to pi33 on them, donate it to charity.[/p][/quote]Sorry ,better still charge £1.40 a litre for gas, spray em and let em sweat as to who would be first passing stranger to light a fag.(Only joking)albertmodley

JustBecause wrote…

Fracking idiots, I would have left them and charged people a fiver to pi33 on them, donate it to charity.

Sorry ,better still charge £1.40 a litre for gas, spray em and let em sweat as to who would be first passing stranger to light a fag.(Only joking)

Score: -10

Donatello says...10:01pm Sat 18 Jan 14

morons with nothing better to do than waste police time plus the possible loss of income and inconvenience to the station owner, staff and customers

morons with nothing better to do than waste police time plus the possible loss of income and inconvenience to the station owner, staff and customersDonatello

morons with nothing better to do than waste police time plus the possible loss of income and inconvenience to the station owner, staff and customers

Score: 12

Beyond News Forum says...11:05pm Sat 18 Jan 14

Peaceful... Yeah they are lucky the police didn't use tear gas, tazers, and kettling tactics along with rubber bullet rounds, pepper spray and batons to disperse their peaceful protest on behalf of the oil baron corporate owners... puppets!!!

Peaceful... Yeah they are lucky the police didn't use tear gas, tazers, and kettling tactics along with rubber bullet rounds, pepper spray and batons to disperse their peaceful protest on behalf of the oil baron corporate owners... puppets!!!Beyond News Forum

Peaceful... Yeah they are lucky the police didn't use tear gas, tazers, and kettling tactics along with rubber bullet rounds, pepper spray and batons to disperse their peaceful protest on behalf of the oil baron corporate owners... puppets!!!

Score: -12

mr.mark.c says...11:17pm Sat 18 Jan 14

I fail to see how gluing themselves to fuel pumps in Great Lever is a protest against fracking, It wasn't very well thought out was it ? I could understand if it was a protest about the price of fuel but fracking? Nah.

I fail to see how gluing themselves to fuel pumps in Great Lever is a protest against fracking, It wasn't very well thought out was it ?
I could understand if it was a protest about the price of fuel but fracking? Nah.mr.mark.c

I fail to see how gluing themselves to fuel pumps in Great Lever is a protest against fracking, It wasn't very well thought out was it ? I could understand if it was a protest about the price of fuel but fracking? Nah.

Score: 26

lassogaia says...11:53pm Sat 18 Jan 14

Hello What's really saddening about this is that the real issue is not being addressed. There are substantial facts from independent (not government sponsored) academics that point to fracking being incredibly dangerous and unsafe. This is beyond who locked on to the pumps or who the individuals are and far beyond some of the frankly uneducated comments on this site. I'm a postgraduate and educated. I am not a bandwagon jumper. And I did my own research and would encourage you all to do the same. Check the sources that are available though, and do bear in mind that there are members of the government who are closely linked in with senior executives of the energy companies who produce certain 'reports' that are quite dubious once checked! My independent research has led me to believe that fracking is unsafe and will lead to water and air pollution. I believe that it is a step backwards rather than a step forwards. We should be focussing on renewables and creating employment through these means. I discovered a really interesting campaign called 'A million climate jobs' which I think would interest a lot of people in Bolton. I'll sign off now but I really want anyone who thinks this is safe to look at the whole picture - not just what is being sold to you by the government. With love to you all. x

Hello
What's really saddening about this is that the real issue is not being addressed. There are substantial facts from independent (not government sponsored) academics that point to fracking being incredibly dangerous and unsafe. This is beyond who locked on to the pumps or who the individuals are and far beyond some of the frankly uneducated comments on this site.
I'm a postgraduate and educated. I am not a bandwagon jumper. And I did my own research and would encourage you all to do the same. Check the sources that are available though, and do bear in mind that there are members of the government who are closely linked in with senior executives of the energy companies who produce certain 'reports' that are quite dubious once checked!
My independent research has led me to believe that fracking is unsafe and will lead to water and air pollution. I believe that it is a step backwards rather than a step forwards. We should be focussing on renewables and creating employment through these means. I discovered a really interesting campaign called 'A million climate jobs' which I think would interest a lot of people in Bolton.
I'll sign off now but I really want anyone who thinks this is safe to look at the whole picture - not just what is being sold to you by the government.
With love to you all.
xlassogaia

Hello What's really saddening about this is that the real issue is not being addressed. There are substantial facts from independent (not government sponsored) academics that point to fracking being incredibly dangerous and unsafe. This is beyond who locked on to the pumps or who the individuals are and far beyond some of the frankly uneducated comments on this site. I'm a postgraduate and educated. I am not a bandwagon jumper. And I did my own research and would encourage you all to do the same. Check the sources that are available though, and do bear in mind that there are members of the government who are closely linked in with senior executives of the energy companies who produce certain 'reports' that are quite dubious once checked! My independent research has led me to believe that fracking is unsafe and will lead to water and air pollution. I believe that it is a step backwards rather than a step forwards. We should be focussing on renewables and creating employment through these means. I discovered a really interesting campaign called 'A million climate jobs' which I think would interest a lot of people in Bolton. I'll sign off now but I really want anyone who thinks this is safe to look at the whole picture - not just what is being sold to you by the government. With love to you all. x

Score: 20

wsw69 says...12:50am Sun 19 Jan 14

Another group who have nothing better to do. What a pathetic bunch of absolute no hopers. Firing squad for this lot as well.

Another group who have nothing better to do. What a pathetic bunch of absolute no hopers.
Firing squad for this lot as well.wsw69

Another group who have nothing better to do. What a pathetic bunch of absolute no hopers. Firing squad for this lot as well.

Score: 11

Mick England says...1:00am Sun 19 Jan 14

Funny how everyone is on the side of the great unwashed when they protest at other demonstrations!

Funny how everyone is on the side of the great unwashed when they protest at other demonstrations!Mick England

Funny how everyone is on the side of the great unwashed when they protest at other demonstrations!

Score: -3

crazyoldme says...7:04am Sun 19 Jan 14

That is one sticky situation.

That is one sticky situation.crazyoldme

That is one sticky situation.

Score: 6

Dr Martin says...7:41am Sun 19 Jan 14

Donatello wrote…

morons with nothing better to do than waste police time plus the possible loss of income and inconvenience to the station owner, staff and customers

Agreed they look like a bunch of dope smoking, unwashed tree huggers to me

[quote][p][bold]Donatello[/bold] wrote:
morons with nothing better to do than waste police time plus the possible loss of income and inconvenience to the station owner, staff and customers[/p][/quote]Agreed they look like a bunch of dope smoking, unwashed tree huggers to meDr Martin

Donatello wrote…

morons with nothing better to do than waste police time plus the possible loss of income and inconvenience to the station owner, staff and customers

Agreed they look like a bunch of dope smoking, unwashed tree huggers to me

Score: 550

aardwolf says...8:34am Sun 19 Jan 14

lassogaia wrote…

Hello What's really saddening about this is that the real issue is not being addressed. There are substantial facts from independent (not government sponsored) academics that point to fracking being incredibly dangerous and unsafe. This is beyond who locked on to the pumps or who the individuals are and far beyond some of the frankly uneducated comments on this site. I'm a postgraduate and educated. I am not a bandwagon jumper. And I did my own research and would encourage you all to do the same. Check the sources that are available though, and do bear in mind that there are members of the government who are closely linked in with senior executives of the energy companies who produce certain 'reports' that are quite dubious once checked! My independent research has led me to believe that fracking is unsafe and will lead to water and air pollution. I believe that it is a step backwards rather than a step forwards. We should be focussing on renewables and creating employment through these means. I discovered a really interesting campaign called 'A million climate jobs' which I think would interest a lot of people in Bolton. I'll sign off now but I really want anyone who thinks this is safe to look at the whole picture - not just what is being sold to you by the government. With love to you all. x

If you are a science postgraduate familiar with citing references from peer reviewed scientific papers for the 'facts' you refer to above then please do so. When you do that we can have a rational debate about them. As I too have spent some time looking into this and found NO research that points to common, major problems in the 40000 plus shale gas wells in the USA I look forward to your evidence with interest. Oh and please tell me you aren't an Arts graduate trying to comment on Science subjects... As an example of the lack of evidence ...Professor Richard Davies from Durham Energy Institute, one of Durham University’s eight Research Institutes, said: “In almost all cases, the seismic events caused by hydraulic fracturing have been undetectable other than by geoscientists. .. By comparison, most fracking-related events release a negligible amount of energy roughly equivalent to or even less than someone jumping off a ladder onto the floor." Davies is an independent who has also noted that other mining events do cause catastrophic effects.

[quote][p][bold]lassogaia[/bold] wrote:
Hello
What's really saddening about this is that the real issue is not being addressed. There are substantial facts from independent (not government sponsored) academics that point to fracking being incredibly dangerous and unsafe. This is beyond who locked on to the pumps or who the individuals are and far beyond some of the frankly uneducated comments on this site.
I'm a postgraduate and educated. I am not a bandwagon jumper. And I did my own research and would encourage you all to do the same. Check the sources that are available though, and do bear in mind that there are members of the government who are closely linked in with senior executives of the energy companies who produce certain 'reports' that are quite dubious once checked!
My independent research has led me to believe that fracking is unsafe and will lead to water and air pollution. I believe that it is a step backwards rather than a step forwards. We should be focussing on renewables and creating employment through these means. I discovered a really interesting campaign called 'A million climate jobs' which I think would interest a lot of people in Bolton.
I'll sign off now but I really want anyone who thinks this is safe to look at the whole picture - not just what is being sold to you by the government.
With love to you all.
x[/p][/quote]If you are a science postgraduate familiar with citing references from peer reviewed scientific papers for the 'facts' you refer to above then please do so.
When you do that we can have a rational debate about them. As I too have spent some time looking into this and found NO research that points to common, major problems in the 40000 plus shale gas wells in the USA I look forward to your evidence with interest. Oh and please tell me you aren't an Arts graduate trying to comment on Science subjects...
As an example of the lack of evidence ...Professor Richard Davies from Durham Energy Institute, one of Durham University’s eight Research Institutes, said:
“In almost all cases, the seismic events caused by hydraulic fracturing have been undetectable other than by geoscientists. .. By comparison, most fracking-related events release a negligible amount of energy roughly equivalent to or even less than someone jumping off a ladder onto the floor."
Davies is an independent who has also noted that other mining events do cause catastrophic effects.aardwolf

lassogaia wrote…

Hello What's really saddening about this is that the real issue is not being addressed. There are substantial facts from independent (not government sponsored) academics that point to fracking being incredibly dangerous and unsafe. This is beyond who locked on to the pumps or who the individuals are and far beyond some of the frankly uneducated comments on this site. I'm a postgraduate and educated. I am not a bandwagon jumper. And I did my own research and would encourage you all to do the same. Check the sources that are available though, and do bear in mind that there are members of the government who are closely linked in with senior executives of the energy companies who produce certain 'reports' that are quite dubious once checked! My independent research has led me to believe that fracking is unsafe and will lead to water and air pollution. I believe that it is a step backwards rather than a step forwards. We should be focussing on renewables and creating employment through these means. I discovered a really interesting campaign called 'A million climate jobs' which I think would interest a lot of people in Bolton. I'll sign off now but I really want anyone who thinks this is safe to look at the whole picture - not just what is being sold to you by the government. With love to you all. x

If you are a science postgraduate familiar with citing references from peer reviewed scientific papers for the 'facts' you refer to above then please do so. When you do that we can have a rational debate about them. As I too have spent some time looking into this and found NO research that points to common, major problems in the 40000 plus shale gas wells in the USA I look forward to your evidence with interest. Oh and please tell me you aren't an Arts graduate trying to comment on Science subjects... As an example of the lack of evidence ...Professor Richard Davies from Durham Energy Institute, one of Durham University’s eight Research Institutes, said: “In almost all cases, the seismic events caused by hydraulic fracturing have been undetectable other than by geoscientists. .. By comparison, most fracking-related events release a negligible amount of energy roughly equivalent to or even less than someone jumping off a ladder onto the floor." Davies is an independent who has also noted that other mining events do cause catastrophic effects.

Score: 3

temujin says...10:48am Sun 19 Jan 14

The garage owners have suffered loss. They should sue these fracking idiots and make them bankrupt.

The garage owners have suffered loss. They should sue these fracking idiots and make them bankrupt.temujin

The garage owners have suffered loss. They should sue these fracking idiots and make them bankrupt.

Score: 4

temujin says...10:52am Sun 19 Jan 14

aardwolf wrote…

lassogaia wrote…

Hello What's really saddening about this is that the real issue is not being addressed. There are substantial facts from independent (not government sponsored) academics that point to fracking being incredibly dangerous and unsafe. This is beyond who locked on to the pumps or who the individuals are and far beyond some of the frankly uneducated comments on this site. I'm a postgraduate and educated. I am not a bandwagon jumper. And I did my own research and would encourage you all to do the same. Check the sources that are available though, and do bear in mind that there are members of the government who are closely linked in with senior executives of the energy companies who produce certain 'reports' that are quite dubious once checked! My independent research has led me to believe that fracking is unsafe and will lead to water and air pollution. I believe that it is a step backwards rather than a step forwards. We should be focussing on renewables and creating employment through these means. I discovered a really interesting campaign called 'A million climate jobs' which I think would interest a lot of people in Bolton. I'll sign off now but I really want anyone who thinks this is safe to look at the whole picture - not just what is being sold to you by the government. With love to you all. x

If you are a science postgraduate familiar with citing references from peer reviewed scientific papers for the 'facts' you refer to above then please do so. When you do that we can have a rational debate about them. As I too have spent some time looking into this and found NO research that points to common, major problems in the 40000 plus shale gas wells in the USA I look forward to your evidence with interest. Oh and please tell me you aren't an Arts graduate trying to comment on Science subjects... As an example of the lack of evidence ...Professor Richard Davies from Durham Energy Institute, one of Durham University’s eight Research Institutes, said: “In almost all cases, the seismic events caused by hydraulic fracturing have been undetectable other than by geoscientists. .. By comparison, most fracking-related events release a negligible amount of energy roughly equivalent to or even less than someone jumping off a ladder onto the floor." Davies is an independent who has also noted that other mining events do cause catastrophic effects.

The expert evidence is clear: fracking presents no danger of significant earthquakes or risk to aquifers. The greenies are scaremongering. Get cracking with the fracking.

[quote][p][bold]aardwolf[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]lassogaia[/bold] wrote:
Hello
What's really saddening about this is that the real issue is not being addressed. There are substantial facts from independent (not government sponsored) academics that point to fracking being incredibly dangerous and unsafe. This is beyond who locked on to the pumps or who the individuals are and far beyond some of the frankly uneducated comments on this site.
I'm a postgraduate and educated. I am not a bandwagon jumper. And I did my own research and would encourage you all to do the same. Check the sources that are available though, and do bear in mind that there are members of the government who are closely linked in with senior executives of the energy companies who produce certain 'reports' that are quite dubious once checked!
My independent research has led me to believe that fracking is unsafe and will lead to water and air pollution. I believe that it is a step backwards rather than a step forwards. We should be focussing on renewables and creating employment through these means. I discovered a really interesting campaign called 'A million climate jobs' which I think would interest a lot of people in Bolton.
I'll sign off now but I really want anyone who thinks this is safe to look at the whole picture - not just what is being sold to you by the government.
With love to you all.
x[/p][/quote]If you are a science postgraduate familiar with citing references from peer reviewed scientific papers for the 'facts' you refer to above then please do so.
When you do that we can have a rational debate about them. As I too have spent some time looking into this and found NO research that points to common, major problems in the 40000 plus shale gas wells in the USA I look forward to your evidence with interest. Oh and please tell me you aren't an Arts graduate trying to comment on Science subjects...
As an example of the lack of evidence ...Professor Richard Davies from Durham Energy Institute, one of Durham University’s eight Research Institutes, said:
“In almost all cases, the seismic events caused by hydraulic fracturing have been undetectable other than by geoscientists. .. By comparison, most fracking-related events release a negligible amount of energy roughly equivalent to or even less than someone jumping off a ladder onto the floor."
Davies is an independent who has also noted that other mining events do cause catastrophic effects.[/p][/quote]The expert evidence is clear: fracking presents no danger of significant earthquakes or risk to aquifers. The greenies are scaremongering.
Get cracking with the fracking.temujin

aardwolf wrote…

lassogaia wrote…

Hello What's really saddening about this is that the real issue is not being addressed. There are substantial facts from independent (not government sponsored) academics that point to fracking being incredibly dangerous and unsafe. This is beyond who locked on to the pumps or who the individuals are and far beyond some of the frankly uneducated comments on this site. I'm a postgraduate and educated. I am not a bandwagon jumper. And I did my own research and would encourage you all to do the same. Check the sources that are available though, and do bear in mind that there are members of the government who are closely linked in with senior executives of the energy companies who produce certain 'reports' that are quite dubious once checked! My independent research has led me to believe that fracking is unsafe and will lead to water and air pollution. I believe that it is a step backwards rather than a step forwards. We should be focussing on renewables and creating employment through these means. I discovered a really interesting campaign called 'A million climate jobs' which I think would interest a lot of people in Bolton. I'll sign off now but I really want anyone who thinks this is safe to look at the whole picture - not just what is being sold to you by the government. With love to you all. x

If you are a science postgraduate familiar with citing references from peer reviewed scientific papers for the 'facts' you refer to above then please do so. When you do that we can have a rational debate about them. As I too have spent some time looking into this and found NO research that points to common, major problems in the 40000 plus shale gas wells in the USA I look forward to your evidence with interest. Oh and please tell me you aren't an Arts graduate trying to comment on Science subjects... As an example of the lack of evidence ...Professor Richard Davies from Durham Energy Institute, one of Durham University’s eight Research Institutes, said: “In almost all cases, the seismic events caused by hydraulic fracturing have been undetectable other than by geoscientists. .. By comparison, most fracking-related events release a negligible amount of energy roughly equivalent to or even less than someone jumping off a ladder onto the floor." Davies is an independent who has also noted that other mining events do cause catastrophic effects.

The expert evidence is clear: fracking presents no danger of significant earthquakes or risk to aquifers. The greenies are scaremongering. Get cracking with the fracking.

Score: 8

Beyond News Forum says...11:58am Sun 19 Jan 14

lassogaia wrote…

Hello What's really saddening about this is that the real issue is not being addressed. There are substantial facts from independent (not government sponsored) academics that point to fracking being incredibly dangerous and unsafe. This is beyond who locked on to the pumps or who the individuals are and far beyond some of the frankly uneducated comments on this site. I'm a postgraduate and educated. I am not a bandwagon jumper. And I did my own research and would encourage you all to do the same. Check the sources that are available though, and do bear in mind that there are members of the government who are closely linked in with senior executives of the energy companies who produce certain 'reports' that are quite dubious once checked! My independent research has led me to believe that fracking is unsafe and will lead to water and air pollution. I believe that it is a step backwards rather than a step forwards. We should be focussing on renewables and creating employment through these means. I discovered a really interesting campaign called 'A million climate jobs' which I think would interest a lot of people in Bolton. I'll sign off now but I really want anyone who thinks this is safe to look at the whole picture - not just what is being sold to you by the government. With love to you all. x

This is a great response and correct.

[quote][p][bold]lassogaia[/bold] wrote:
Hello
What's really saddening about this is that the real issue is not being addressed. There are substantial facts from independent (not government sponsored) academics that point to fracking being incredibly dangerous and unsafe. This is beyond who locked on to the pumps or who the individuals are and far beyond some of the frankly uneducated comments on this site.
I'm a postgraduate and educated. I am not a bandwagon jumper. And I did my own research and would encourage you all to do the same. Check the sources that are available though, and do bear in mind that there are members of the government who are closely linked in with senior executives of the energy companies who produce certain 'reports' that are quite dubious once checked!
My independent research has led me to believe that fracking is unsafe and will lead to water and air pollution. I believe that it is a step backwards rather than a step forwards. We should be focussing on renewables and creating employment through these means. I discovered a really interesting campaign called 'A million climate jobs' which I think would interest a lot of people in Bolton.
I'll sign off now but I really want anyone who thinks this is safe to look at the whole picture - not just what is being sold to you by the government.
With love to you all.
x[/p][/quote]This is a great response and correct.Beyond News Forum

lassogaia wrote…

Hello What's really saddening about this is that the real issue is not being addressed. There are substantial facts from independent (not government sponsored) academics that point to fracking being incredibly dangerous and unsafe. This is beyond who locked on to the pumps or who the individuals are and far beyond some of the frankly uneducated comments on this site. I'm a postgraduate and educated. I am not a bandwagon jumper. And I did my own research and would encourage you all to do the same. Check the sources that are available though, and do bear in mind that there are members of the government who are closely linked in with senior executives of the energy companies who produce certain 'reports' that are quite dubious once checked! My independent research has led me to believe that fracking is unsafe and will lead to water and air pollution. I believe that it is a step backwards rather than a step forwards. We should be focussing on renewables and creating employment through these means. I discovered a really interesting campaign called 'A million climate jobs' which I think would interest a lot of people in Bolton. I'll sign off now but I really want anyone who thinks this is safe to look at the whole picture - not just what is being sold to you by the government. With love to you all. x

This is a great response and correct.

Score: -3

Beyond News Forum says...12:18pm Sun 19 Jan 14

The way I see this is that people are desperate to reduce bills and get jobs. More pandering to the corporations and accepting bribes is not the answer. To be green is not fearmongering but common sense. Going green will save the money you are so desperate to keep hold of. What is the problem here? It's a no-brainer - you can even get free solar panels to reduce your electric, get a battery pack to save the juice for night-time use. Look I do get irate about this - it is because I care so much for all of you - you are being fitted up big time and you cannot see the ramifications of allowing yourself to be duped time and time again. I have experienced fracking and the associated bills and pollution/eq's for 3-years. I am sorry that I ranted at some of you - I took a chill pill ;)

The way I see this is that people are desperate to reduce bills and get jobs. More pandering to the corporations and accepting bribes is not the answer.
To be green is not fearmongering but common sense. Going green will save the money you are so desperate to keep hold of.
What is the problem here? It's a no-brainer - you can even get free solar panels to reduce your electric, get a battery pack to save the juice for night-time use.
Look I do get irate about this - it is because I care so much for all of you - you are being fitted up big time and you cannot see the ramifications of allowing yourself to be duped time and time again.
I have experienced fracking and the associated bills and pollution/eq's for 3-years.
I am sorry that I ranted at some of you - I took a chill pill ;)Beyond News Forum

The way I see this is that people are desperate to reduce bills and get jobs. More pandering to the corporations and accepting bribes is not the answer. To be green is not fearmongering but common sense. Going green will save the money you are so desperate to keep hold of. What is the problem here? It's a no-brainer - you can even get free solar panels to reduce your electric, get a battery pack to save the juice for night-time use. Look I do get irate about this - it is because I care so much for all of you - you are being fitted up big time and you cannot see the ramifications of allowing yourself to be duped time and time again. I have experienced fracking and the associated bills and pollution/eq's for 3-years. I am sorry that I ranted at some of you - I took a chill pill ;)

Score: -16

BWFC71 says...1:02pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Donatello wrote…

morons with nothing better to do than waste police time plus the possible loss of income and inconvenience to the station owner, staff and customers

Exactly I would take the details and bill tem for the time and action the police and other emergency services had to take to free these idiots - hit them where it hurts, in their bank balances!!! Same goes for the protestors in Salford who have already cost the police over £1million!!!

[quote][p][bold]Donatello[/bold] wrote:
morons with nothing better to do than waste police time plus the possible loss of income and inconvenience to the station owner, staff and customers[/p][/quote]Exactly I would take the details and bill tem for the time and action the police and other emergency services had to take to free these idiots - hit them where it hurts, in their bank balances!!!
Same goes for the protestors in Salford who have already cost the police over £1million!!!BWFC71

Donatello wrote…

morons with nothing better to do than waste police time plus the possible loss of income and inconvenience to the station owner, staff and customers

Exactly I would take the details and bill tem for the time and action the police and other emergency services had to take to free these idiots - hit them where it hurts, in their bank balances!!! Same goes for the protestors in Salford who have already cost the police over £1million!!!

Score: 1

lv8151 says...1:09pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Dr Martin wrote…

Donatello wrote…

morons with nothing better to do than waste police time plus the possible loss of income and inconvenience to the station owner, staff and customers

Agreed they look like a bunch of dope smoking, unwashed tree huggers to me

have you watched that film yet ... lol

[quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Donatello[/bold] wrote:
morons with nothing better to do than waste police time plus the possible loss of income and inconvenience to the station owner, staff and customers[/p][/quote]Agreed they look like a bunch of dope smoking, unwashed tree huggers to me[/p][/quote]have you watched that film yet ... lollv8151

Dr Martin wrote…

Donatello wrote…

morons with nothing better to do than waste police time plus the possible loss of income and inconvenience to the station owner, staff and customers

Agreed they look like a bunch of dope smoking, unwashed tree huggers to me

have you watched that film yet ... lol

Score: 0

albertmodley says...1:30pm Sun 19 Jan 14

BWFC71 wrote…

Donatello wrote…

morons with nothing better to do than waste police time plus the possible loss of income and inconvenience to the station owner, staff and customers

Exactly I would take the details and bill tem for the time and action the police and other emergency services had to take to free these idiots - hit them where it hurts, in their bank balances!!! Same goes for the protestors in Salford who have already cost the police over £1million!!!

And how strange when they are interviewed on TV there is never a Salford accent.Sounds like rent a mob in action again

[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Donatello[/bold] wrote:
morons with nothing better to do than waste police time plus the possible loss of income and inconvenience to the station owner, staff and customers[/p][/quote]Exactly I would take the details and bill tem for the time and action the police and other emergency services had to take to free these idiots - hit them where it hurts, in their bank balances!!!
Same goes for the protestors in Salford who have already cost the police over £1million!!![/p][/quote]And how strange when they are interviewed on TV there is never a Salford accent.Sounds like rent a mob in action againalbertmodley

BWFC71 wrote…

Donatello wrote…

morons with nothing better to do than waste police time plus the possible loss of income and inconvenience to the station owner, staff and customers

Exactly I would take the details and bill tem for the time and action the police and other emergency services had to take to free these idiots - hit them where it hurts, in their bank balances!!! Same goes for the protestors in Salford who have already cost the police over £1million!!!

And how strange when they are interviewed on TV there is never a Salford accent.Sounds like rent a mob in action again

Score: 4

Dr Martin says...1:35pm Sun 19 Jan 14

lv8151 wrote…

Dr Martin wrote…

Donatello wrote…

morons with nothing better to do than waste police time plus the possible loss of income and inconvenience to the station owner, staff and customers

Agreed they look like a bunch of dope smoking, unwashed tree huggers to me

have you watched that film yet ... lol

Nope not likely too, The only thing I like that Martin Clunes has done is Doc Martin.

[quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Donatello[/bold] wrote:
morons with nothing better to do than waste police time plus the possible loss of income and inconvenience to the station owner, staff and customers[/p][/quote]Agreed they look like a bunch of dope smoking, unwashed tree huggers to me[/p][/quote]have you watched that film yet ... lol[/p][/quote]Nope not likely too, The only thing I like that Martin Clunes has done is Doc Martin.Dr Martin

lv8151 wrote…

Dr Martin wrote…

Donatello wrote…

morons with nothing better to do than waste police time plus the possible loss of income and inconvenience to the station owner, staff and customers

Agreed they look like a bunch of dope smoking, unwashed tree huggers to me

have you watched that film yet ... lol

Nope not likely too, The only thing I like that Martin Clunes has done is Doc Martin.

Score: 0

SleepingThunder says...1:51pm Sun 19 Jan 14

The goverment are to cosy with these fracking corporations & what benefit if any will they bring to local economy. Why have they banned the process in France ? David Cameron says local communities will be allowed to keep tax generated by industry.Lets see if he keeps to that promise?

The goverment are to cosy with these fracking corporations & what benefit if any will they bring to local economy.
Why have they banned the process in France ?
David Cameron says local communities will be allowed to keep tax generated by industry.Lets see if he keeps to that promise?SleepingThunder

The goverment are to cosy with these fracking corporations & what benefit if any will they bring to local economy. Why have they banned the process in France ? David Cameron says local communities will be allowed to keep tax generated by industry.Lets see if he keeps to that promise?

Score: 6

BWFC71 says...4:42pm Sun 19 Jan 14

SleepingThunder wrote…

The goverment are to cosy with these fracking corporations & what benefit if any will they bring to local economy. Why have they banned the process in France ? David Cameron says local communities will be allowed to keep tax generated by industry.Lets see if he keeps to that promise?

Why is Lemsip banned in The Netherlands and other decongestants??? Why is UK the only country in Europe you can only buy 32 paracetemols in any one go? Why is it illegal to be a Roman Catholic in the UK - a law that has never been repealed, or why is it illegal to have hot cross buns on Easter Sunday, in the UK? Different countries and different laws and they don't need to make any sense!

[quote][p][bold]SleepingThunder[/bold] wrote:
The goverment are to cosy with these fracking corporations & what benefit if any will they bring to local economy.
Why have they banned the process in France ?
David Cameron says local communities will be allowed to keep tax generated by industry.Lets see if he keeps to that promise?[/p][/quote]Why is Lemsip banned in The Netherlands and other decongestants???
Why is UK the only country in Europe you can only buy 32 paracetemols in any one go?
Why is it illegal to be a Roman Catholic in the UK - a law that has never been repealed, or why is it illegal to have hot cross buns on Easter Sunday, in the UK?
Different countries and different laws and they don't need to make any sense!BWFC71

SleepingThunder wrote…

The goverment are to cosy with these fracking corporations & what benefit if any will they bring to local economy. Why have they banned the process in France ? David Cameron says local communities will be allowed to keep tax generated by industry.Lets see if he keeps to that promise?

Why is Lemsip banned in The Netherlands and other decongestants??? Why is UK the only country in Europe you can only buy 32 paracetemols in any one go? Why is it illegal to be a Roman Catholic in the UK - a law that has never been repealed, or why is it illegal to have hot cross buns on Easter Sunday, in the UK? Different countries and different laws and they don't need to make any sense!

Score: 3

aardwolf says...5:12pm Sun 19 Jan 14

SleepingThunder wrote…

The goverment are to cosy with these fracking corporations & what benefit if any will they bring to local economy. Why have they banned the process in France ? David Cameron says local communities will be allowed to keep tax generated by industry.Lets see if he keeps to that promise?

Banned in France because the junior partner in the coalition government is the Green party. So not a massive surprise. Instead they prefer nuclear power. Whoops!!

[quote][p][bold]SleepingThunder[/bold] wrote:
The goverment are to cosy with these fracking corporations & what benefit if any will they bring to local economy.
Why have they banned the process in France ?
David Cameron says local communities will be allowed to keep tax generated by industry.Lets see if he keeps to that promise?[/p][/quote]Banned in France because the junior partner in the coalition government is the Green party. So not a massive surprise. Instead they prefer nuclear power. Whoops!!aardwolf

SleepingThunder wrote…

The goverment are to cosy with these fracking corporations & what benefit if any will they bring to local economy. Why have they banned the process in France ? David Cameron says local communities will be allowed to keep tax generated by industry.Lets see if he keeps to that promise?

Banned in France because the junior partner in the coalition government is the Green party. So not a massive surprise. Instead they prefer nuclear power. Whoops!!

Score: 2

BWFC71 says...5:27pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Funnily enough the Dutch have been fracking for quite a few years - lets not forget that 80% of The Netherlands is under sea level and there has been no earth tremors or collapsing of the dykes!!!! If it was dangerous, especially with regards to low-level lands, do you not think the Dutch would have banned it long ago, instead of profiting from it?

Funnily enough the Dutch have been fracking for quite a few years - lets not forget that 80% of The Netherlands is under sea level and there has been no earth tremors or collapsing of the dykes!!!!
If it was dangerous, especially with regards to low-level lands, do you not think the Dutch would have banned it long ago, instead of profiting from it?BWFC71

Funnily enough the Dutch have been fracking for quite a few years - lets not forget that 80% of The Netherlands is under sea level and there has been no earth tremors or collapsing of the dykes!!!! If it was dangerous, especially with regards to low-level lands, do you not think the Dutch would have banned it long ago, instead of profiting from it?

Score: 5

Mick England says...6:03pm Sun 19 Jan 14

mr.mark.c wrote…

I fail to see how gluing themselves to fuel pumps in Great Lever is a protest against fracking, It wasn't very well thought out was it ? I could understand if it was a protest about the price of fuel but fracking? Nah.

Well it's good for the economy because I was behind two of them in Halfords yesterday when I had my bulb replaced and saw them buying the 4 D locks, £72 they paid in 1 & 2 pound coins!

[quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote:
I fail to see how gluing themselves to fuel pumps in Great Lever is a protest against fracking, It wasn't very well thought out was it ?
I could understand if it was a protest about the price of fuel but fracking? Nah.[/p][/quote]Well it's good for the economy because I was behind two of them in Halfords yesterday when I had my bulb replaced and saw them buying the 4 D locks, £72 they paid in 1 & 2 pound coins!Mick England

mr.mark.c wrote…

I fail to see how gluing themselves to fuel pumps in Great Lever is a protest against fracking, It wasn't very well thought out was it ? I could understand if it was a protest about the price of fuel but fracking? Nah.

Well it's good for the economy because I was behind two of them in Halfords yesterday when I had my bulb replaced and saw them buying the 4 D locks, £72 they paid in 1 & 2 pound coins!

Score: -5

Mick England says...6:09pm Sun 19 Jan 14

BWFC71 wrote…

SleepingThunder wrote…

The goverment are to cosy with these fracking corporations & what benefit if any will they bring to local economy. Why have they banned the process in France ? David Cameron says local communities will be allowed to keep tax generated by industry.Lets see if he keeps to that promise?

Why is Lemsip banned in The Netherlands and other decongestants??? Why is UK the only country in Europe you can only buy 32 paracetemols in any one go? Why is it illegal to be a Roman Catholic in the UK - a law that has never been repealed, or why is it illegal to have hot cross buns on Easter Sunday, in the UK? Different countries and different laws and they don't need to make any sense!

You need to research common law which is our constitution and has been there since 1215! The 1215 charter required King John of England to proclaim certain liberties and accept that his will was not arbitrary for example by explicitly accepting that no "freeman" (in the sense of non- serf ) could be punished except through the law of the land, a right that still exists today! Statutes and acts are only given the force of law through consent of the governed, so don't consent full stop!

[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]SleepingThunder[/bold] wrote:
The goverment are to cosy with these fracking corporations & what benefit if any will they bring to local economy.
Why have they banned the process in France ?
David Cameron says local communities will be allowed to keep tax generated by industry.Lets see if he keeps to that promise?[/p][/quote]Why is Lemsip banned in The Netherlands and other decongestants???
Why is UK the only country in Europe you can only buy 32 paracetemols in any one go?
Why is it illegal to be a Roman Catholic in the UK - a law that has never been repealed, or why is it illegal to have hot cross buns on Easter Sunday, in the UK?
Different countries and different laws and they don't need to make any sense![/p][/quote]You need to research common law which is our constitution and has been there since 1215! The 1215 charter required King John of England to proclaim certain liberties and accept that his will was not arbitrary for example by explicitly accepting that no
"freeman" (in the sense of non- serf ) could be punished
except through the law of the land, a right that still
exists today! Statutes and acts are only given the force of law through consent of the governed, so don't consent full stop!Mick England

BWFC71 wrote…

SleepingThunder wrote…

The goverment are to cosy with these fracking corporations & what benefit if any will they bring to local economy. Why have they banned the process in France ? David Cameron says local communities will be allowed to keep tax generated by industry.Lets see if he keeps to that promise?

Why is Lemsip banned in The Netherlands and other decongestants??? Why is UK the only country in Europe you can only buy 32 paracetemols in any one go? Why is it illegal to be a Roman Catholic in the UK - a law that has never been repealed, or why is it illegal to have hot cross buns on Easter Sunday, in the UK? Different countries and different laws and they don't need to make any sense!

You need to research common law which is our constitution and has been there since 1215! The 1215 charter required King John of England to proclaim certain liberties and accept that his will was not arbitrary for example by explicitly accepting that no "freeman" (in the sense of non- serf ) could be punished except through the law of the land, a right that still exists today! Statutes and acts are only given the force of law through consent of the governed, so don't consent full stop!

Score: 0

mr.mark.c says...6:16pm Sun 19 Jan 14

BWFC71 wrote…

Funnily enough the Dutch have been fracking for quite a few years - lets not forget that 80% of The Netherlands is under sea level and there has been no earth tremors or collapsing of the dykes!!!! If it was dangerous, especially with regards to low-level lands, do you not think the Dutch would have banned it long ago, instead of profiting from it?

They have been fracking in England for over 40 years and nobody noticed.

[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote:
Funnily enough the Dutch have been fracking for quite a few years - lets not forget that 80% of The Netherlands is under sea level and there has been no earth tremors or collapsing of the dykes!!!!
If it was dangerous, especially with regards to low-level lands, do you not think the Dutch would have banned it long ago, instead of profiting from it?[/p][/quote]They have been fracking in England for over 40 years and nobody noticed.mr.mark.c

BWFC71 wrote…

Funnily enough the Dutch have been fracking for quite a few years - lets not forget that 80% of The Netherlands is under sea level and there has been no earth tremors or collapsing of the dykes!!!! If it was dangerous, especially with regards to low-level lands, do you not think the Dutch would have banned it long ago, instead of profiting from it?

They have been fracking in England for over 40 years and nobody noticed.

Score: 1

Mick England says...6:20pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Think about it. Do statutes require consent? Are all men created equal? YES. Does any man have dominion over another? NO Does any man have Authority over another? NO How have the Governmant, police, military etc. gained their (assumed) "power" over the populus? By killing, threatening, injuring, torturing and imprisoning. If the concept that statutes requiring consent is ludicrous, then we must accept that we live in a totalitarian dictatorship! Common law (remember that we live in a common law jurisdiction) covers every possibility, we can all get along just fine only operating under common law. Cause no loss or harm to another individual. Do not breach the peace, use no mischief in your contracts. There is not a single situation where common law does not protect us. How can anyone claim to have the right to tell us if we should wear a seatbelt or not? How can anyone tell me what I can put in my body or not? Answer no one can, they are just men, like me.

Think about it.
Do statutes require consent?
Are all men created equal? YES.
Does any man have dominion over another? NO
Does any man have Authority over another? NO
How have the Governmant, police, military etc. gained their
(assumed) "power" over the populus? By killing,
threatening, injuring, torturing and imprisoning.
If the concept that statutes requiring consent is ludicrous, then we must accept that we live in a totalitarian dictatorship!
Common law (remember that we live in a common law
jurisdiction) covers every possibility, we can all get along
just fine only operating under common law.
Cause no loss or harm to another individual. Do not breach
the peace, use no mischief in your contracts.
There is not a single situation where common law does not
protect us.
How can anyone claim to have the right to tell us if we
should wear a seatbelt or not? How can anyone tell me what
I can put in my body or not? Answer no one can, they are
just men, like me.Mick England

Think about it. Do statutes require consent? Are all men created equal? YES. Does any man have dominion over another? NO Does any man have Authority over another? NO How have the Governmant, police, military etc. gained their (assumed) "power" over the populus? By killing, threatening, injuring, torturing and imprisoning. If the concept that statutes requiring consent is ludicrous, then we must accept that we live in a totalitarian dictatorship! Common law (remember that we live in a common law jurisdiction) covers every possibility, we can all get along just fine only operating under common law. Cause no loss or harm to another individual. Do not breach the peace, use no mischief in your contracts. There is not a single situation where common law does not protect us. How can anyone claim to have the right to tell us if we should wear a seatbelt or not? How can anyone tell me what I can put in my body or not? Answer no one can, they are just men, like me.

Score: -1

BWFC71 says...6:43pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Mick England wrote…

Think about it. Do statutes require consent? Are all men created equal? YES. Does any man have dominion over another? NO Does any man have Authority over another? NO How have the Governmant, police, military etc. gained their (assumed) "power" over the populus? By killing, threatening, injuring, torturing and imprisoning. If the concept that statutes requiring consent is ludicrous, then we must accept that we live in a totalitarian dictatorship! Common law (remember that we live in a common law jurisdiction) covers every possibility, we can all get along just fine only operating under common law. Cause no loss or harm to another individual. Do not breach the peace, use no mischief in your contracts. There is not a single situation where common law does not protect us. How can anyone claim to have the right to tell us if we should wear a seatbelt or not? How can anyone tell me what I can put in my body or not? Answer no one can, they are just men, like me.

I'd like to see you try it then - and see where it gets you! Are you up for the challenge? You could keep a daily blog, with supporting evidence, to show what you have done each day with only using Common Law! Actually I think it would be a great column - wonder if the BN editors would agree to it?

[quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote:
Think about it.
Do statutes require consent?
Are all men created equal? YES.
Does any man have dominion over another? NO
Does any man have Authority over another? NO
How have the Governmant, police, military etc. gained their
(assumed) "power" over the populus? By killing,
threatening, injuring, torturing and imprisoning.
If the concept that statutes requiring consent is ludicrous, then we must accept that we live in a totalitarian dictatorship!
Common law (remember that we live in a common law
jurisdiction) covers every possibility, we can all get along
just fine only operating under common law.
Cause no loss or harm to another individual. Do not breach
the peace, use no mischief in your contracts.
There is not a single situation where common law does not
protect us.
How can anyone claim to have the right to tell us if we
should wear a seatbelt or not? How can anyone tell me what
I can put in my body or not? Answer no one can, they are
just men, like me.[/p][/quote]I'd like to see you try it then - and see where it gets you!
Are you up for the challenge?
You could keep a daily blog, with supporting evidence, to show what you have done each day with only using Common Law!
Actually I think it would be a great column - wonder if the BN editors would agree to it?BWFC71

Mick England wrote…

Think about it. Do statutes require consent? Are all men created equal? YES. Does any man have dominion over another? NO Does any man have Authority over another? NO How have the Governmant, police, military etc. gained their (assumed) "power" over the populus? By killing, threatening, injuring, torturing and imprisoning. If the concept that statutes requiring consent is ludicrous, then we must accept that we live in a totalitarian dictatorship! Common law (remember that we live in a common law jurisdiction) covers every possibility, we can all get along just fine only operating under common law. Cause no loss or harm to another individual. Do not breach the peace, use no mischief in your contracts. There is not a single situation where common law does not protect us. How can anyone claim to have the right to tell us if we should wear a seatbelt or not? How can anyone tell me what I can put in my body or not? Answer no one can, they are just men, like me.

I'd like to see you try it then - and see where it gets you! Are you up for the challenge? You could keep a daily blog, with supporting evidence, to show what you have done each day with only using Common Law! Actually I think it would be a great column - wonder if the BN editors would agree to it?

Score: 4

Mick England says...8:31pm Sun 19 Jan 14

I have done and succeeded many times, you are obviously ruled by fear which is the way the authorities like it! No consent no jurisdiction, if you consent you consent to maritime/admiralty law (the law of the sea, not land) You really need to research what your strawman is and who is your legal fiction, then ask yourself why your mother is "the informant" on your birth certificate and why you are only the "registered keeper" of your vehicle on your V5 document? Then ask yourself why your name on your driving licence and birth certificate are all in capitals, and you will find that you are the legal fiction of the human being you were born as! Then what you need to do is check what the oath was sworn by HM Queen Elizabeth at the time of her coronation, then check the oath of allegiance sworn by police, and you will see they both swear to uphold common law! After you have done that you will realise that there are police officers who chase money by enforcing statutes and police constables who uphold common law only, if your friendly bobbie is acting on his oath he CANNOT enforce statute law! When a bobbie reads you your rights and asks do you understand, what he means is do you stand under (check Black's law dictionary), if you say yes jurisdiction of admiralty law or consent is given by you! Think about it the law of the sea and terminology like "birth/berth, dock, bail etc etc! Once you consent you give them "joinder" (joining your legal fiction to your flesh and blood) and jurisdiction over your human self under admiralty law! Wake up and don't dare dispute my comments until you educate yourself on the facts first!

I have done and succeeded many times, you are obviously ruled by fear which is the way the authorities like it! No consent no jurisdiction, if you consent you consent to maritime/admiralty law (the law of the sea, not land) You really need to research what your strawman is and who is your legal fiction, then ask yourself why your mother is "the informant" on your birth certificate and why you are only the "registered keeper" of your vehicle on your V5 document? Then ask yourself why your name on your driving licence and birth certificate are all in capitals, and you will find that you are the legal fiction of the human being you were born as! Then what you need to do is check what the oath was sworn by HM Queen Elizabeth at the time of her coronation, then check the oath of allegiance sworn by police, and you will see they both swear to uphold common law! After you have done that you will realise that there are police officers who chase money by enforcing statutes and police constables who uphold common law only, if your friendly bobbie is acting on his oath he CANNOT enforce statute law! When a bobbie reads you your rights and asks do you understand, what he means is do you stand under (check Black's law dictionary), if you say yes jurisdiction of admiralty law or consent is given by you! Think about it the law of the sea and terminology like "birth/berth, dock, bail etc etc! Once you consent you give them "joinder" (joining your legal fiction to your flesh and blood) and jurisdiction over your human self under admiralty law! Wake up and don't dare dispute my comments until you educate yourself on the facts first!Mick England

I have done and succeeded many times, you are obviously ruled by fear which is the way the authorities like it! No consent no jurisdiction, if you consent you consent to maritime/admiralty law (the law of the sea, not land) You really need to research what your strawman is and who is your legal fiction, then ask yourself why your mother is "the informant" on your birth certificate and why you are only the "registered keeper" of your vehicle on your V5 document? Then ask yourself why your name on your driving licence and birth certificate are all in capitals, and you will find that you are the legal fiction of the human being you were born as! Then what you need to do is check what the oath was sworn by HM Queen Elizabeth at the time of her coronation, then check the oath of allegiance sworn by police, and you will see they both swear to uphold common law! After you have done that you will realise that there are police officers who chase money by enforcing statutes and police constables who uphold common law only, if your friendly bobbie is acting on his oath he CANNOT enforce statute law! When a bobbie reads you your rights and asks do you understand, what he means is do you stand under (check Black's law dictionary), if you say yes jurisdiction of admiralty law or consent is given by you! Think about it the law of the sea and terminology like "birth/berth, dock, bail etc etc! Once you consent you give them "joinder" (joining your legal fiction to your flesh and blood) and jurisdiction over your human self under admiralty law! Wake up and don't dare dispute my comments until you educate yourself on the facts first!

Score: 2

mr.mark.c says...8:46pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Sorry Mick but I need my driving licence and couldnt afford points on it for not using my seatbelt, unless you are saying we can all drive without insurance and they cant actually take a car off a person or jail them for no insurance ?

Sorry Mick but I need my driving licence and couldnt afford points on it for not using my seatbelt, unless you are saying we can all drive without insurance and they cant actually take a car off a person or jail them for no insurance ?mr.mark.c

Sorry Mick but I need my driving licence and couldnt afford points on it for not using my seatbelt, unless you are saying we can all drive without insurance and they cant actually take a car off a person or jail them for no insurance ?

Score: 2

Mick England says...9:01pm Sun 19 Jan 14

mr.mark.c wrote…

Sorry Mick but I need my driving licence and couldnt afford points on it for not using my seatbelt, unless you are saying we can all drive without insurance and they cant actually take a car off a person or jail them for no insurance ?

You can lawfully not legally de-register you car and become a traveller rather than a driver, search the definition in Black's law dictionary again for confirmation. Ask yourself why we see all these foreign plated cars in Bolton that don't display a valid excise licence, and are untouchable? Would it be because they haven't entered into a contract with the DVLA yet by registering their car?

[quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote:
Sorry Mick but I need my driving licence and couldnt afford points on it for not using my seatbelt, unless you are saying we can all drive without insurance and they cant actually take a car off a person or jail them for no insurance ?[/p][/quote]You can lawfully not legally de-register you car and become a traveller rather than a driver, search the definition in Black's law dictionary again for confirmation. Ask yourself why we see all these foreign plated cars in Bolton that don't display a valid excise licence, and are untouchable? Would it be because they haven't entered into a contract with the DVLA yet by registering their car?Mick England

mr.mark.c wrote…

Sorry Mick but I need my driving licence and couldnt afford points on it for not using my seatbelt, unless you are saying we can all drive without insurance and they cant actually take a car off a person or jail them for no insurance ?

You can lawfully not legally de-register you car and become a traveller rather than a driver, search the definition in Black's law dictionary again for confirmation. Ask yourself why we see all these foreign plated cars in Bolton that don't display a valid excise licence, and are untouchable? Would it be because they haven't entered into a contract with the DVLA yet by registering their car?

Score: 0

mr.mark.c says...9:14pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Mick England wrote…

mr.mark.c wrote…

Sorry Mick but I need my driving licence and couldnt afford points on it for not using my seatbelt, unless you are saying we can all drive without insurance and they cant actually take a car off a person or jail them for no insurance ?

You can lawfully not legally de-register you car and become a traveller rather than a driver, search the definition in Black's law dictionary again for confirmation. Ask yourself why we see all these foreign plated cars in Bolton that don't display a valid excise licence, and are untouchable? Would it be because they haven't entered into a contract with the DVLA yet by registering their car?

One of my cars came back as no registered keeper after a mix up at DVLA, I never did bother updating them ;)

[quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote:
Sorry Mick but I need my driving licence and couldnt afford points on it for not using my seatbelt, unless you are saying we can all drive without insurance and they cant actually take a car off a person or jail them for no insurance ?[/p][/quote]You can lawfully not legally de-register you car and become a traveller rather than a driver, search the definition in Black's law dictionary again for confirmation. Ask yourself why we see all these foreign plated cars in Bolton that don't display a valid excise licence, and are untouchable? Would it be because they haven't entered into a contract with the DVLA yet by registering their car?[/p][/quote]One of my cars came back as no registered keeper after a mix up at DVLA, I never did bother updating them ;)mr.mark.c

Mick England wrote…

mr.mark.c wrote…

Sorry Mick but I need my driving licence and couldnt afford points on it for not using my seatbelt, unless you are saying we can all drive without insurance and they cant actually take a car off a person or jail them for no insurance ?

You can lawfully not legally de-register you car and become a traveller rather than a driver, search the definition in Black's law dictionary again for confirmation. Ask yourself why we see all these foreign plated cars in Bolton that don't display a valid excise licence, and are untouchable? Would it be because they haven't entered into a contract with the DVLA yet by registering their car?

One of my cars came back as no registered keeper after a mix up at DVLA, I never did bother updating them ;)

Score: 6

Mick England says...9:24pm Sun 19 Jan 14

mr.mark.c wrote…

Sorry Mick but I need my driving licence and couldnt afford points on it for not using my seatbelt, unless you are saying we can all drive without insurance and they cant actually take a car off a person or jail them for no insurance ?

But statute law says that certain groups are exempt from wearing one, so some human being equal to you says that Mr X is outside the law, and your happy to accept that are you?

[quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote:
Sorry Mick but I need my driving licence and couldnt afford points on it for not using my seatbelt, unless you are saying we can all drive without insurance and they cant actually take a car off a person or jail them for no insurance ?[/p][/quote]But statute law says that certain groups are exempt from wearing one, so some human being equal to you says that Mr X is outside the law, and your happy to accept that are you?Mick England

mr.mark.c wrote…

Sorry Mick but I need my driving licence and couldnt afford points on it for not using my seatbelt, unless you are saying we can all drive without insurance and they cant actually take a car off a person or jail them for no insurance ?

But statute law says that certain groups are exempt from wearing one, so some human being equal to you says that Mr X is outside the law, and your happy to accept that are you?

Score: -3

Mick England says...9:26pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Should read :- But statute law says that certain groups are exempt from wearing one, so some human being equal to you says that Mr X is outside the law and Mr Y is justified, and your happy to accept that are you?

Should read :- But statute law says that certain groups are exempt from wearing one, so some human being equal to you says that Mr X is outside the law and Mr Y is justified, and your happy to accept that are you?Mick England

Should read :- But statute law says that certain groups are exempt from wearing one, so some human being equal to you says that Mr X is outside the law and Mr Y is justified, and your happy to accept that are you?

Score: -3

Mick England says...9:32pm Sun 19 Jan 14

mr.mark.c wrote…

Mick England wrote…

mr.mark.c wrote…

Sorry Mick but I need my driving licence and couldnt afford points on it for not using my seatbelt, unless you are saying we can all drive without insurance and they cant actually take a car off a person or jail them for no insurance ?

You can lawfully not legally de-register you car and become a traveller rather than a driver, search the definition in Black's law dictionary again for confirmation. Ask yourself why we see all these foreign plated cars in Bolton that don't display a valid excise licence, and are untouchable? Would it be because they haven't entered into a contract with the DVLA yet by registering their car?

One of my cars came back as no registered keeper after a mix up at DVLA, I never did bother updating them ;)

Ha you still haven't got it, they aren't your cars, they are the property of your legal fiction owned by the DVLA because you consent!

[quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote:
Sorry Mick but I need my driving licence and couldnt afford points on it for not using my seatbelt, unless you are saying we can all drive without insurance and they cant actually take a car off a person or jail them for no insurance ?[/p][/quote]You can lawfully not legally de-register you car and become a traveller rather than a driver, search the definition in Black's law dictionary again for confirmation. Ask yourself why we see all these foreign plated cars in Bolton that don't display a valid excise licence, and are untouchable? Would it be because they haven't entered into a contract with the DVLA yet by registering their car?[/p][/quote]One of my cars came back as no registered keeper after a mix up at DVLA, I never did bother updating them ;)[/p][/quote]Ha you still haven't got it, they aren't your cars, they are the property of your legal fiction owned by the DVLA because you consent!Mick England

mr.mark.c wrote…

Mick England wrote…

mr.mark.c wrote…

Sorry Mick but I need my driving licence and couldnt afford points on it for not using my seatbelt, unless you are saying we can all drive without insurance and they cant actually take a car off a person or jail them for no insurance ?

You can lawfully not legally de-register you car and become a traveller rather than a driver, search the definition in Black's law dictionary again for confirmation. Ask yourself why we see all these foreign plated cars in Bolton that don't display a valid excise licence, and are untouchable? Would it be because they haven't entered into a contract with the DVLA yet by registering their car?

One of my cars came back as no registered keeper after a mix up at DVLA, I never did bother updating them ;)

Ha you still haven't got it, they aren't your cars, they are the property of your legal fiction owned by the DVLA because you consent!

Score: -2

mr.mark.c says...9:34pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Mick England wrote…

Should read :- But statute law says that certain groups are exempt from wearing one, so some human being equal to you says that Mr X is outside the law and Mr Y is justified, and your happy to accept that are you?

I prefer wearing one so can't really answer that part but I do agree that certain groups should have a choice when its safer not to wear one. I also insist that my passengers wear one as If I ever do have a crash then I do not want a floppy body injuring me or flying out of a window and my car landing on them. Was the people glued to the pumps wearing seatbelts ?

[quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote:
Should read :- But statute law says that certain groups are exempt from wearing one, so some human being equal to you says that Mr X is outside the law and Mr Y is justified, and your happy to accept that are you?[/p][/quote]I prefer wearing one so can't really answer that part but I do agree that certain groups should have a choice when its safer not to wear one.
I also insist that my passengers wear one as If I ever do have a crash then I do not want a floppy body injuring me or flying out of a window and my car landing on them.
Was the people glued to the pumps wearing seatbelts ?mr.mark.c

Mick England wrote…

Should read :- But statute law says that certain groups are exempt from wearing one, so some human being equal to you says that Mr X is outside the law and Mr Y is justified, and your happy to accept that are you?

I prefer wearing one so can't really answer that part but I do agree that certain groups should have a choice when its safer not to wear one. I also insist that my passengers wear one as If I ever do have a crash then I do not want a floppy body injuring me or flying out of a window and my car landing on them. Was the people glued to the pumps wearing seatbelts ?

Score: 4

mr.mark.c says...9:36pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Mick England wrote…

mr.mark.c wrote…

Mick England wrote…

mr.mark.c wrote…

Sorry Mick but I need my driving licence and couldnt afford points on it for not using my seatbelt, unless you are saying we can all drive without insurance and they cant actually take a car off a person or jail them for no insurance ?

You can lawfully not legally de-register you car and become a traveller rather than a driver, search the definition in Black's law dictionary again for confirmation. Ask yourself why we see all these foreign plated cars in Bolton that don't display a valid excise licence, and are untouchable? Would it be because they haven't entered into a contract with the DVLA yet by registering their car?

One of my cars came back as no registered keeper after a mix up at DVLA, I never did bother updating them ;)

Ha you still haven't got it, they aren't your cars, they are the property of your legal fiction owned by the DVLA because you consent!

I beg to differ, try reading the V5

[quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote:
Sorry Mick but I need my driving licence and couldnt afford points on it for not using my seatbelt, unless you are saying we can all drive without insurance and they cant actually take a car off a person or jail them for no insurance ?[/p][/quote]You can lawfully not legally de-register you car and become a traveller rather than a driver, search the definition in Black's law dictionary again for confirmation. Ask yourself why we see all these foreign plated cars in Bolton that don't display a valid excise licence, and are untouchable? Would it be because they haven't entered into a contract with the DVLA yet by registering their car?[/p][/quote]One of my cars came back as no registered keeper after a mix up at DVLA, I never did bother updating them ;)[/p][/quote]Ha you still haven't got it, they aren't your cars, they are the property of your legal fiction owned by the DVLA because you consent![/p][/quote]I beg to differ, try reading the V5mr.mark.c

Mick England wrote…

mr.mark.c wrote…

Mick England wrote…

mr.mark.c wrote…

Sorry Mick but I need my driving licence and couldnt afford points on it for not using my seatbelt, unless you are saying we can all drive without insurance and they cant actually take a car off a person or jail them for no insurance ?

You can lawfully not legally de-register you car and become a traveller rather than a driver, search the definition in Black's law dictionary again for confirmation. Ask yourself why we see all these foreign plated cars in Bolton that don't display a valid excise licence, and are untouchable? Would it be because they haven't entered into a contract with the DVLA yet by registering their car?

One of my cars came back as no registered keeper after a mix up at DVLA, I never did bother updating them ;)

Ha you still haven't got it, they aren't your cars, they are the property of your legal fiction owned by the DVLA because you consent!

I beg to differ, try reading the V5

Score: 5

Mick England says...9:56pm Sun 19 Jan 14

mr.mark.c wrote…

Mick England wrote…

Should read :- But statute law says that certain groups are exempt from wearing one, so some human being equal to you says that Mr X is outside the law and Mr Y is justified, and your happy to accept that are you?

I prefer wearing one so can't really answer that part but I do agree that certain groups should have a choice when its safer not to wear one. I also insist that my passengers wear one as If I ever do have a crash then I do not want a floppy body injuring me or flying out of a window and my car landing on them. Was the people glued to the pumps wearing seatbelts ?

I also insist that my passengers are safely belted in, but only because I have a duty of care to protect them whilst I am behind the wheel. If say for instance I am travelling alone and I haven't got my seatbelt on, and a I hit a tree and the inevitable ensues, what harm have I caused to anybody? And as for people being allowed to not wear one, are the powers that be saying that these people are safer without one? Poppycocks!!

[quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote:
Should read :- But statute law says that certain groups are exempt from wearing one, so some human being equal to you says that Mr X is outside the law and Mr Y is justified, and your happy to accept that are you?[/p][/quote]I prefer wearing one so can't really answer that part but I do agree that certain groups should have a choice when its safer not to wear one.
I also insist that my passengers wear one as If I ever do have a crash then I do not want a floppy body injuring me or flying out of a window and my car landing on them.
Was the people glued to the pumps wearing seatbelts ?[/p][/quote]I also insist that my passengers are safely belted in, but only because I have a duty of care to protect them whilst I am behind the wheel. If say for instance I am travelling alone and I haven't got my seatbelt on, and a I hit a tree and the inevitable ensues, what harm have I caused to anybody? And as for people being allowed to not wear one, are the powers that be saying that these people are safer without one? Poppycocks!!Mick England

mr.mark.c wrote…

Mick England wrote…

Should read :- But statute law says that certain groups are exempt from wearing one, so some human being equal to you says that Mr X is outside the law and Mr Y is justified, and your happy to accept that are you?

I prefer wearing one so can't really answer that part but I do agree that certain groups should have a choice when its safer not to wear one. I also insist that my passengers wear one as If I ever do have a crash then I do not want a floppy body injuring me or flying out of a window and my car landing on them. Was the people glued to the pumps wearing seatbelts ?

I also insist that my passengers are safely belted in, but only because I have a duty of care to protect them whilst I am behind the wheel. If say for instance I am travelling alone and I haven't got my seatbelt on, and a I hit a tree and the inevitable ensues, what harm have I caused to anybody? And as for people being allowed to not wear one, are the powers that be saying that these people are safer without one? Poppycocks!!

Score: -3

Mick England says...10:00pm Sun 19 Jan 14

mr.mark.c wrote…

Mick England wrote…

mr.mark.c wrote…

Mick England wrote…

mr.mark.c wrote…

Sorry Mick but I need my driving licence and couldnt afford points on it for not using my seatbelt, unless you are saying we can all drive without insurance and they cant actually take a car off a person or jail them for no insurance ?

You can lawfully not legally de-register you car and become a traveller rather than a driver, search the definition in Black's law dictionary again for confirmation. Ask yourself why we see all these foreign plated cars in Bolton that don't display a valid excise licence, and are untouchable? Would it be because they haven't entered into a contract with the DVLA yet by registering their car?

One of my cars came back as no registered keeper after a mix up at DVLA, I never did bother updating them ;)

Ha you still haven't got it, they aren't your cars, they are the property of your legal fiction owned by the DVLA because you consent!

I beg to differ, try reading the V5

I just have and it still says at point 1 :- registered keeper, your point? Do you really own a car? . www.motoringassist.c om/blog/2011/10/31/n ew-mot-docs-and-log- books-are-here/

[quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote:
Sorry Mick but I need my driving licence and couldnt afford points on it for not using my seatbelt, unless you are saying we can all drive without insurance and they cant actually take a car off a person or jail them for no insurance ?[/p][/quote]You can lawfully not legally de-register you car and become a traveller rather than a driver, search the definition in Black's law dictionary again for confirmation. Ask yourself why we see all these foreign plated cars in Bolton that don't display a valid excise licence, and are untouchable? Would it be because they haven't entered into a contract with the DVLA yet by registering their car?[/p][/quote]One of my cars came back as no registered keeper after a mix up at DVLA, I never did bother updating them ;)[/p][/quote]Ha you still haven't got it, they aren't your cars, they are the property of your legal fiction owned by the DVLA because you consent![/p][/quote]I beg to differ, try reading the V5[/p][/quote]I just have and it still says at point 1 :- registered keeper, your point? Do you really own a car?
.
www.motoringassist.c
om/blog/2011/10/31/n
ew-mot-docs-and-log-
books-are-here/Mick England

mr.mark.c wrote…

Mick England wrote…

mr.mark.c wrote…

Mick England wrote…

mr.mark.c wrote…

Sorry Mick but I need my driving licence and couldnt afford points on it for not using my seatbelt, unless you are saying we can all drive without insurance and they cant actually take a car off a person or jail them for no insurance ?

You can lawfully not legally de-register you car and become a traveller rather than a driver, search the definition in Black's law dictionary again for confirmation. Ask yourself why we see all these foreign plated cars in Bolton that don't display a valid excise licence, and are untouchable? Would it be because they haven't entered into a contract with the DVLA yet by registering their car?

One of my cars came back as no registered keeper after a mix up at DVLA, I never did bother updating them ;)

Ha you still haven't got it, they aren't your cars, they are the property of your legal fiction owned by the DVLA because you consent!

I beg to differ, try reading the V5

I just have and it still says at point 1 :- registered keeper, your point? Do you really own a car? . www.motoringassist.c om/blog/2011/10/31/n ew-mot-docs-and-log- books-are-here/

Score: -4

BWFC71 says...10:00pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Mick England wrote…

mr.mark.c wrote…

Sorry Mick but I need my driving licence and couldnt afford points on it for not using my seatbelt, unless you are saying we can all drive without insurance and they cant actually take a car off a person or jail them for no insurance ?

You can lawfully not legally de-register you car and become a traveller rather than a driver, search the definition in Black's law dictionary again for confirmation. Ask yourself why we see all these foreign plated cars in Bolton that don't display a valid excise licence, and are untouchable? Would it be because they haven't entered into a contract with the DVLA yet by registering their car?

Nope, because under EU law you can continue using a vehicle without registering with DVLA for up to 12 months - If brought into the UK from overseas. After that 12 months you are caught without a valid tax disc then the car is impounded and crushed. Also you bring a car to UK from overseas for keep and not register it then again it can be impounded and crushed. Only way round it is to go back to the country where the car was bought, and gain a further tax/insurance for 12 months and then bring back. How do I know, as I did it for 24 months when I first lived in The Netherlands and know many Poles who actually go back to sort their car details out to bring back to the UK legally. That is fact and non of this Common Law rubbish!

[quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote:
Sorry Mick but I need my driving licence and couldnt afford points on it for not using my seatbelt, unless you are saying we can all drive without insurance and they cant actually take a car off a person or jail them for no insurance ?[/p][/quote]You can lawfully not legally de-register you car and become a traveller rather than a driver, search the definition in Black's law dictionary again for confirmation. Ask yourself why we see all these foreign plated cars in Bolton that don't display a valid excise licence, and are untouchable? Would it be because they haven't entered into a contract with the DVLA yet by registering their car?[/p][/quote]Nope, because under EU law you can continue using a vehicle without registering with DVLA for up to 12 months - If brought into the UK from overseas. After that 12 months you are caught without a valid tax disc then the car is impounded and crushed. Also you bring a car to UK from overseas for keep and not register it then again it can be impounded and crushed. Only way round it is to go back to the country where the car was bought, and gain a further tax/insurance for 12 months and then bring back.
How do I know, as I did it for 24 months when I first lived in The Netherlands and know many Poles who actually go back to sort their car details out to bring back to the UK legally.
That is fact and non of this Common Law rubbish!BWFC71

Mick England wrote…

mr.mark.c wrote…

Sorry Mick but I need my driving licence and couldnt afford points on it for not using my seatbelt, unless you are saying we can all drive without insurance and they cant actually take a car off a person or jail them for no insurance ?

You can lawfully not legally de-register you car and become a traveller rather than a driver, search the definition in Black's law dictionary again for confirmation. Ask yourself why we see all these foreign plated cars in Bolton that don't display a valid excise licence, and are untouchable? Would it be because they haven't entered into a contract with the DVLA yet by registering their car?

Nope, because under EU law you can continue using a vehicle without registering with DVLA for up to 12 months - If brought into the UK from overseas. After that 12 months you are caught without a valid tax disc then the car is impounded and crushed. Also you bring a car to UK from overseas for keep and not register it then again it can be impounded and crushed. Only way round it is to go back to the country where the car was bought, and gain a further tax/insurance for 12 months and then bring back. How do I know, as I did it for 24 months when I first lived in The Netherlands and know many Poles who actually go back to sort their car details out to bring back to the UK legally. That is fact and non of this Common Law rubbish!

Score: 5

BWFC71 says...10:06pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Mick England wrote…

I have done and succeeded many times, you are obviously ruled by fear which is the way the authorities like it! No consent no jurisdiction, if you consent you consent to maritime/admiralty law (the law of the sea, not land) You really need to research what your strawman is and who is your legal fiction, then ask yourself why your mother is "the informant" on your birth certificate and why you are only the "registered keeper" of your vehicle on your V5 document? Then ask yourself why your name on your driving licence and birth certificate are all in capitals, and you will find that you are the legal fiction of the human being you were born as! Then what you need to do is check what the oath was sworn by HM Queen Elizabeth at the time of her coronation, then check the oath of allegiance sworn by police, and you will see they both swear to uphold common law! After you have done that you will realise that there are police officers who chase money by enforcing statutes and police constables who uphold common law only, if your friendly bobbie is acting on his oath he CANNOT enforce statute law! When a bobbie reads you your rights and asks do you understand, what he means is do you stand under (check Black's law dictionary), if you say yes jurisdiction of admiralty law or consent is given by you! Think about it the law of the sea and terminology like "birth/berth, dock, bail etc etc! Once you consent you give them "joinder" (joining your legal fiction to your flesh and blood) and jurisdiction over your human self under admiralty law! Wake up and don't dare dispute my comments until you educate yourself on the facts first!

So if you have done it many times, lets have a blog an all your activities on using Common Law and how successful you have been with the courts etc etc etc in using Common Law! If you show us the way then the world will have to change - make it YOUR goal to educate us all, using as much intricacies as possible.

[quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote:
I have done and succeeded many times, you are obviously ruled by fear which is the way the authorities like it! No consent no jurisdiction, if you consent you consent to maritime/admiralty law (the law of the sea, not land) You really need to research what your strawman is and who is your legal fiction, then ask yourself why your mother is "the informant" on your birth certificate and why you are only the "registered keeper" of your vehicle on your V5 document? Then ask yourself why your name on your driving licence and birth certificate are all in capitals, and you will find that you are the legal fiction of the human being you were born as! Then what you need to do is check what the oath was sworn by HM Queen Elizabeth at the time of her coronation, then check the oath of allegiance sworn by police, and you will see they both swear to uphold common law! After you have done that you will realise that there are police officers who chase money by enforcing statutes and police constables who uphold common law only, if your friendly bobbie is acting on his oath he CANNOT enforce statute law! When a bobbie reads you your rights and asks do you understand, what he means is do you stand under (check Black's law dictionary), if you say yes jurisdiction of admiralty law or consent is given by you! Think about it the law of the sea and terminology like "birth/berth, dock, bail etc etc! Once you consent you give them "joinder" (joining your legal fiction to your flesh and blood) and jurisdiction over your human self under admiralty law! Wake up and don't dare dispute my comments until you educate yourself on the facts first![/p][/quote]So if you have done it many times, lets have a blog an all your activities on using Common Law and how successful you have been with the courts etc etc etc in using Common Law!
If you show us the way then the world will have to change - make it YOUR goal to educate us all, using as much intricacies as possible.BWFC71

Mick England wrote…

I have done and succeeded many times, you are obviously ruled by fear which is the way the authorities like it! No consent no jurisdiction, if you consent you consent to maritime/admiralty law (the law of the sea, not land) You really need to research what your strawman is and who is your legal fiction, then ask yourself why your mother is "the informant" on your birth certificate and why you are only the "registered keeper" of your vehicle on your V5 document? Then ask yourself why your name on your driving licence and birth certificate are all in capitals, and you will find that you are the legal fiction of the human being you were born as! Then what you need to do is check what the oath was sworn by HM Queen Elizabeth at the time of her coronation, then check the oath of allegiance sworn by police, and you will see they both swear to uphold common law! After you have done that you will realise that there are police officers who chase money by enforcing statutes and police constables who uphold common law only, if your friendly bobbie is acting on his oath he CANNOT enforce statute law! When a bobbie reads you your rights and asks do you understand, what he means is do you stand under (check Black's law dictionary), if you say yes jurisdiction of admiralty law or consent is given by you! Think about it the law of the sea and terminology like "birth/berth, dock, bail etc etc! Once you consent you give them "joinder" (joining your legal fiction to your flesh and blood) and jurisdiction over your human self under admiralty law! Wake up and don't dare dispute my comments until you educate yourself on the facts first!

So if you have done it many times, lets have a blog an all your activities on using Common Law and how successful you have been with the courts etc etc etc in using Common Law! If you show us the way then the world will have to change - make it YOUR goal to educate us all, using as much intricacies as possible.

Score: 6

Mick England says...10:08pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Also if you have or had a dog did you ever take it in your car? Mmmm no law for that and my two golden retrievers weight more than my son! Or is is because they can't take a dog to court and extract money from it?

Also if you have or had a dog did you ever take it in your car? Mmmm no law for that and my two golden retrievers weight more than my son! Or is is because they can't take a dog to court and extract money from it?Mick England

Also if you have or had a dog did you ever take it in your car? Mmmm no law for that and my two golden retrievers weight more than my son! Or is is because they can't take a dog to court and extract money from it?

Score: -3

mr.mark.c says...10:09pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Mick England wrote…

mr.mark.c wrote…

Mick England wrote…

mr.mark.c wrote…

Mick England wrote…

mr.mark.c wrote…

Sorry Mick but I need my driving licence and couldnt afford points on it for not using my seatbelt, unless you are saying we can all drive without insurance and they cant actually take a car off a person or jail them for no insurance ?

You can lawfully not legally de-register you car and become a traveller rather than a driver, search the definition in Black's law dictionary again for confirmation. Ask yourself why we see all these foreign plated cars in Bolton that don't display a valid excise licence, and are untouchable? Would it be because they haven't entered into a contract with the DVLA yet by registering their car?

One of my cars came back as no registered keeper after a mix up at DVLA, I never did bother updating them ;)

Ha you still haven't got it, they aren't your cars, they are the property of your legal fiction owned by the DVLA because you consent!

I beg to differ, try reading the V5

I just have and it still says at point 1 :- registered keeper, your point? Do you really own a car? . www.motoringassist.c om/blog/2011/10/31/n ew-mot-docs-and-log- books-are-here/

Yes I do, and its paid for, and it runs on veg oil believe it or not, 85ppl, so if you ever see an Isuzu Trooper that smells like a chippy its probably me. BTW, Veg is legal and tax free up to 2500L a year, after that you pay tax on the whole amount used.

[quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote:
Sorry Mick but I need my driving licence and couldnt afford points on it for not using my seatbelt, unless you are saying we can all drive without insurance and they cant actually take a car off a person or jail them for no insurance ?[/p][/quote]You can lawfully not legally de-register you car and become a traveller rather than a driver, search the definition in Black's law dictionary again for confirmation. Ask yourself why we see all these foreign plated cars in Bolton that don't display a valid excise licence, and are untouchable? Would it be because they haven't entered into a contract with the DVLA yet by registering their car?[/p][/quote]One of my cars came back as no registered keeper after a mix up at DVLA, I never did bother updating them ;)[/p][/quote]Ha you still haven't got it, they aren't your cars, they are the property of your legal fiction owned by the DVLA because you consent![/p][/quote]I beg to differ, try reading the V5[/p][/quote]I just have and it still says at point 1 :- registered keeper, your point? Do you really own a car?
.
www.motoringassist.c
om/blog/2011/10/31/n
ew-mot-docs-and-log-
books-are-here/[/p][/quote]Yes I do, and its paid for, and it runs on veg oil believe it or not, 85ppl, so if you ever see an Isuzu Trooper that smells like a chippy its probably me.
BTW, Veg is legal and tax free up to 2500L a year, after that you pay tax on the whole amount used.mr.mark.c

Mick England wrote…

mr.mark.c wrote…

Mick England wrote…

mr.mark.c wrote…

Mick England wrote…

mr.mark.c wrote…

Sorry Mick but I need my driving licence and couldnt afford points on it for not using my seatbelt, unless you are saying we can all drive without insurance and they cant actually take a car off a person or jail them for no insurance ?

You can lawfully not legally de-register you car and become a traveller rather than a driver, search the definition in Black's law dictionary again for confirmation. Ask yourself why we see all these foreign plated cars in Bolton that don't display a valid excise licence, and are untouchable? Would it be because they haven't entered into a contract with the DVLA yet by registering their car?

One of my cars came back as no registered keeper after a mix up at DVLA, I never did bother updating them ;)

Ha you still haven't got it, they aren't your cars, they are the property of your legal fiction owned by the DVLA because you consent!

I beg to differ, try reading the V5

I just have and it still says at point 1 :- registered keeper, your point? Do you really own a car? . www.motoringassist.c om/blog/2011/10/31/n ew-mot-docs-and-log- books-are-here/

Yes I do, and its paid for, and it runs on veg oil believe it or not, 85ppl, so if you ever see an Isuzu Trooper that smells like a chippy its probably me. BTW, Veg is legal and tax free up to 2500L a year, after that you pay tax on the whole amount used.

Score: 5

mr.mark.c says...10:14pm Sun 19 Jan 14

BWFC71 I find myself agreeing with you for once.

BWFC71
I find myself agreeing with you for once.mr.mark.c

BWFC71 I find myself agreeing with you for once.

Score: 7

Mick England says...10:15pm Sun 19 Jan 14

mr.mark.c wrote…

Mick England wrote…

mr.mark.c wrote…

Mick England wrote…

mr.mark.c wrote…

Mick England wrote…

mr.mark.c wrote…

Sorry Mick but I need my driving licence and couldnt afford points on it for not using my seatbelt, unless you are saying we can all drive without insurance and they cant actually take a car off a person or jail them for no insurance ?

You can lawfully not legally de-register you car and become a traveller rather than a driver, search the definition in Black's law dictionary again for confirmation. Ask yourself why we see all these foreign plated cars in Bolton that don't display a valid excise licence, and are untouchable? Would it be because they haven't entered into a contract with the DVLA yet by registering their car?

One of my cars came back as no registered keeper after a mix up at DVLA, I never did bother updating them ;)

Ha you still haven't got it, they aren't your cars, they are the property of your legal fiction owned by the DVLA because you consent!

I beg to differ, try reading the V5

I just have and it still says at point 1 :- registered keeper, your point? Do you really own a car? . www.motoringassist.c om/blog/2011/10/31/n ew-mot-docs-and-log- books-are-here/

Yes I do, and its paid for, and it runs on veg oil believe it or not, 85ppl, so if you ever see an Isuzu Trooper that smells like a chippy its probably me. BTW, Veg is legal and tax free up to 2500L a year, after that you pay tax on the whole amount used.

Yeah and the government under statute law, put dye in diesel and charge ten times the price! Answer me this are you happy that some made up law by an equal, has dictated that you will have to pay them if you go over 2500L per year, is that not your god given right?

[quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote:
Sorry Mick but I need my driving licence and couldnt afford points on it for not using my seatbelt, unless you are saying we can all drive without insurance and they cant actually take a car off a person or jail them for no insurance ?[/p][/quote]You can lawfully not legally de-register you car and become a traveller rather than a driver, search the definition in Black's law dictionary again for confirmation. Ask yourself why we see all these foreign plated cars in Bolton that don't display a valid excise licence, and are untouchable? Would it be because they haven't entered into a contract with the DVLA yet by registering their car?[/p][/quote]One of my cars came back as no registered keeper after a mix up at DVLA, I never did bother updating them ;)[/p][/quote]Ha you still haven't got it, they aren't your cars, they are the property of your legal fiction owned by the DVLA because you consent![/p][/quote]I beg to differ, try reading the V5[/p][/quote]I just have and it still says at point 1 :- registered keeper, your point? Do you really own a car?
.
www.motoringassist.c
om/blog/2011/10/31/n
ew-mot-docs-and-log-
books-are-here/[/p][/quote]Yes I do, and its paid for, and it runs on veg oil believe it or not, 85ppl, so if you ever see an Isuzu Trooper that smells like a chippy its probably me.
BTW, Veg is legal and tax free up to 2500L a year, after that you pay tax on the whole amount used.[/p][/quote]Yeah and the government under statute law, put dye in diesel and charge ten times the price! Answer me this are you happy that some made up law by an equal, has dictated that you will have to pay them if you go over 2500L per year, is that not your god given right?Mick England

mr.mark.c wrote…

Mick England wrote…

mr.mark.c wrote…

Mick England wrote…

mr.mark.c wrote…

Mick England wrote…

mr.mark.c wrote…

Sorry Mick but I need my driving licence and couldnt afford points on it for not using my seatbelt, unless you are saying we can all drive without insurance and they cant actually take a car off a person or jail them for no insurance ?

You can lawfully not legally de-register you car and become a traveller rather than a driver, search the definition in Black's law dictionary again for confirmation. Ask yourself why we see all these foreign plated cars in Bolton that don't display a valid excise licence, and are untouchable? Would it be because they haven't entered into a contract with the DVLA yet by registering their car?

One of my cars came back as no registered keeper after a mix up at DVLA, I never did bother updating them ;)

Ha you still haven't got it, they aren't your cars, they are the property of your legal fiction owned by the DVLA because you consent!

I beg to differ, try reading the V5

I just have and it still says at point 1 :- registered keeper, your point? Do you really own a car? . www.motoringassist.c om/blog/2011/10/31/n ew-mot-docs-and-log- books-are-here/

Yes I do, and its paid for, and it runs on veg oil believe it or not, 85ppl, so if you ever see an Isuzu Trooper that smells like a chippy its probably me. BTW, Veg is legal and tax free up to 2500L a year, after that you pay tax on the whole amount used.

Yeah and the government under statute law, put dye in diesel and charge ten times the price! Answer me this are you happy that some made up law by an equal, has dictated that you will have to pay them if you go over 2500L per year, is that not your god given right?

Score: -1

BWFC71 says...10:20pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Mick England wrote…

mr.mark.c wrote…

Mick England wrote…

mr.mark.c wrote…

Mick England wrote…

mr.mark.c wrote…

Mick England wrote…

mr.mark.c wrote…

Sorry Mick but I need my driving licence and couldnt afford points on it for not using my seatbelt, unless you are saying we can all drive without insurance and they cant actually take a car off a person or jail them for no insurance ?

You can lawfully not legally de-register you car and become a traveller rather than a driver, search the definition in Black's law dictionary again for confirmation. Ask yourself why we see all these foreign plated cars in Bolton that don't display a valid excise licence, and are untouchable? Would it be because they haven't entered into a contract with the DVLA yet by registering their car?

One of my cars came back as no registered keeper after a mix up at DVLA, I never did bother updating them ;)

Ha you still haven't got it, they aren't your cars, they are the property of your legal fiction owned by the DVLA because you consent!

I beg to differ, try reading the V5

I just have and it still says at point 1 :- registered keeper, your point? Do you really own a car? . www.motoringassist.c om/blog/2011/10/31/n ew-mot-docs-and-log- books-are-here/

Yes I do, and its paid for, and it runs on veg oil believe it or not, 85ppl, so if you ever see an Isuzu Trooper that smells like a chippy its probably me. BTW, Veg is legal and tax free up to 2500L a year, after that you pay tax on the whole amount used.

Yeah and the government under statute law, put dye in diesel and charge ten times the price! Answer me this are you happy that some made up law by an equal, has dictated that you will have to pay them if you go over 2500L per year, is that not your god given right?

There is no such thing as God therefore it is not a God given right. It is all man made and no man is equal as do all live by different lives - and we are not all born the same as some are born through C-section, some are induced etc etc etc and we don't all die the same - thus we are not all equal!

[quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote:
Sorry Mick but I need my driving licence and couldnt afford points on it for not using my seatbelt, unless you are saying we can all drive without insurance and they cant actually take a car off a person or jail them for no insurance ?[/p][/quote]You can lawfully not legally de-register you car and become a traveller rather than a driver, search the definition in Black's law dictionary again for confirmation. Ask yourself why we see all these foreign plated cars in Bolton that don't display a valid excise licence, and are untouchable? Would it be because they haven't entered into a contract with the DVLA yet by registering their car?[/p][/quote]One of my cars came back as no registered keeper after a mix up at DVLA, I never did bother updating them ;)[/p][/quote]Ha you still haven't got it, they aren't your cars, they are the property of your legal fiction owned by the DVLA because you consent![/p][/quote]I beg to differ, try reading the V5[/p][/quote]I just have and it still says at point 1 :- registered keeper, your point? Do you really own a car?
.
www.motoringassist.c
om/blog/2011/10/31/n
ew-mot-docs-and-log-
books-are-here/[/p][/quote]Yes I do, and its paid for, and it runs on veg oil believe it or not, 85ppl, so if you ever see an Isuzu Trooper that smells like a chippy its probably me.
BTW, Veg is legal and tax free up to 2500L a year, after that you pay tax on the whole amount used.[/p][/quote]Yeah and the government under statute law, put dye in diesel and charge ten times the price! Answer me this are you happy that some made up law by an equal, has dictated that you will have to pay them if you go over 2500L per year, is that not your god given right?[/p][/quote]There is no such thing as God therefore it is not a God given right. It is all man made and no man is equal as do all live by different lives - and we are not all born the same as some are born through C-section, some are induced etc etc etc and we don't all die the same - thus we are not all equal!BWFC71

Mick England wrote…

mr.mark.c wrote…

Mick England wrote…

mr.mark.c wrote…

Mick England wrote…

mr.mark.c wrote…

Mick England wrote…

mr.mark.c wrote…

Sorry Mick but I need my driving licence and couldnt afford points on it for not using my seatbelt, unless you are saying we can all drive without insurance and they cant actually take a car off a person or jail them for no insurance ?

You can lawfully not legally de-register you car and become a traveller rather than a driver, search the definition in Black's law dictionary again for confirmation. Ask yourself why we see all these foreign plated cars in Bolton that don't display a valid excise licence, and are untouchable? Would it be because they haven't entered into a contract with the DVLA yet by registering their car?

One of my cars came back as no registered keeper after a mix up at DVLA, I never did bother updating them ;)

Ha you still haven't got it, they aren't your cars, they are the property of your legal fiction owned by the DVLA because you consent!

I beg to differ, try reading the V5

I just have and it still says at point 1 :- registered keeper, your point? Do you really own a car? . www.motoringassist.c om/blog/2011/10/31/n ew-mot-docs-and-log- books-are-here/

Yes I do, and its paid for, and it runs on veg oil believe it or not, 85ppl, so if you ever see an Isuzu Trooper that smells like a chippy its probably me. BTW, Veg is legal and tax free up to 2500L a year, after that you pay tax on the whole amount used.

Yeah and the government under statute law, put dye in diesel and charge ten times the price! Answer me this are you happy that some made up law by an equal, has dictated that you will have to pay them if you go over 2500L per year, is that not your god given right?

There is no such thing as God therefore it is not a God given right. It is all man made and no man is equal as do all live by different lives - and we are not all born the same as some are born through C-section, some are induced etc etc etc and we don't all die the same - thus we are not all equal!

Score: 4

mr.mark.c says...10:23pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Mick England wrote…

mr.mark.c wrote…

Mick England wrote…

mr.mark.c wrote…

Mick England wrote…

mr.mark.c wrote…

Mick England wrote…

mr.mark.c wrote…

Sorry Mick but I need my driving licence and couldnt afford points on it for not using my seatbelt, unless you are saying we can all drive without insurance and they cant actually take a car off a person or jail them for no insurance ?

You can lawfully not legally de-register you car and become a traveller rather than a driver, search the definition in Black's law dictionary again for confirmation. Ask yourself why we see all these foreign plated cars in Bolton that don't display a valid excise licence, and are untouchable? Would it be because they haven't entered into a contract with the DVLA yet by registering their car?

One of my cars came back as no registered keeper after a mix up at DVLA, I never did bother updating them ;)

Ha you still haven't got it, they aren't your cars, they are the property of your legal fiction owned by the DVLA because you consent!

I beg to differ, try reading the V5

I just have and it still says at point 1 :- registered keeper, your point? Do you really own a car? . www.motoringassist.c om/blog/2011/10/31/n ew-mot-docs-and-log- books-are-here/

Yes I do, and its paid for, and it runs on veg oil believe it or not, 85ppl, so if you ever see an Isuzu Trooper that smells like a chippy its probably me. BTW, Veg is legal and tax free up to 2500L a year, after that you pay tax on the whole amount used.

Yeah and the government under statute law, put dye in diesel and charge ten times the price! Answer me this are you happy that some made up law by an equal, has dictated that you will have to pay them if you go over 2500L per year, is that not your god given right?

Red is for agro use only, and same stuff (unlike the rumours) Veg is classed as producing your own fuel. As for made up law, a country can not run without taxation, but I do think the tax on fuel is over the top.

[quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote:
Sorry Mick but I need my driving licence and couldnt afford points on it for not using my seatbelt, unless you are saying we can all drive without insurance and they cant actually take a car off a person or jail them for no insurance ?[/p][/quote]You can lawfully not legally de-register you car and become a traveller rather than a driver, search the definition in Black's law dictionary again for confirmation. Ask yourself why we see all these foreign plated cars in Bolton that don't display a valid excise licence, and are untouchable? Would it be because they haven't entered into a contract with the DVLA yet by registering their car?[/p][/quote]One of my cars came back as no registered keeper after a mix up at DVLA, I never did bother updating them ;)[/p][/quote]Ha you still haven't got it, they aren't your cars, they are the property of your legal fiction owned by the DVLA because you consent![/p][/quote]I beg to differ, try reading the V5[/p][/quote]I just have and it still says at point 1 :- registered keeper, your point? Do you really own a car?
.
www.motoringassist.c
om/blog/2011/10/31/n
ew-mot-docs-and-log-
books-are-here/[/p][/quote]Yes I do, and its paid for, and it runs on veg oil believe it or not, 85ppl, so if you ever see an Isuzu Trooper that smells like a chippy its probably me.
BTW, Veg is legal and tax free up to 2500L a year, after that you pay tax on the whole amount used.[/p][/quote]Yeah and the government under statute law, put dye in diesel and charge ten times the price! Answer me this are you happy that some made up law by an equal, has dictated that you will have to pay them if you go over 2500L per year, is that not your god given right?[/p][/quote]Red is for agro use only, and same stuff (unlike the rumours)
Veg is classed as producing your own fuel.
As for made up law, a country can not run without taxation, but I do think the tax on fuel is over the top.mr.mark.c

Mick England wrote…

mr.mark.c wrote…

Mick England wrote…

mr.mark.c wrote…

Mick England wrote…

mr.mark.c wrote…

Mick England wrote…

mr.mark.c wrote…

Sorry Mick but I need my driving licence and couldnt afford points on it for not using my seatbelt, unless you are saying we can all drive without insurance and they cant actually take a car off a person or jail them for no insurance ?

You can lawfully not legally de-register you car and become a traveller rather than a driver, search the definition in Black's law dictionary again for confirmation. Ask yourself why we see all these foreign plated cars in Bolton that don't display a valid excise licence, and are untouchable? Would it be because they haven't entered into a contract with the DVLA yet by registering their car?

One of my cars came back as no registered keeper after a mix up at DVLA, I never did bother updating them ;)

Ha you still haven't got it, they aren't your cars, they are the property of your legal fiction owned by the DVLA because you consent!

I beg to differ, try reading the V5

I just have and it still says at point 1 :- registered keeper, your point? Do you really own a car? . www.motoringassist.c om/blog/2011/10/31/n ew-mot-docs-and-log- books-are-here/

Yes I do, and its paid for, and it runs on veg oil believe it or not, 85ppl, so if you ever see an Isuzu Trooper that smells like a chippy its probably me. BTW, Veg is legal and tax free up to 2500L a year, after that you pay tax on the whole amount used.

Yeah and the government under statute law, put dye in diesel and charge ten times the price! Answer me this are you happy that some made up law by an equal, has dictated that you will have to pay them if you go over 2500L per year, is that not your god given right?

Red is for agro use only, and same stuff (unlike the rumours) Veg is classed as producing your own fuel. As for made up law, a country can not run without taxation, but I do think the tax on fuel is over the top.

Score: 3

Mick England says...10:40pm Sun 19 Jan 14

BWFC71 wrote…

Mick England wrote…

mr.mark.c wrote…

Mick England wrote…

mr.mark.c wrote…

Mick England wrote…

mr.mark.c wrote…

Mick England wrote…

mr.mark.c wrote…

Sorry Mick but I need my driving licence and couldnt afford points on it for not using my seatbelt, unless you are saying we can all drive without insurance and they cant actually take a car off a person or jail them for no insurance ?

You can lawfully not legally de-register you car and become a traveller rather than a driver, search the definition in Black's law dictionary again for confirmation. Ask yourself why we see all these foreign plated cars in Bolton that don't display a valid excise licence, and are untouchable? Would it be because they haven't entered into a contract with the DVLA yet by registering their car?

One of my cars came back as no registered keeper after a mix up at DVLA, I never did bother updating them ;)

Ha you still haven't got it, they aren't your cars, they are the property of your legal fiction owned by the DVLA because you consent!

I beg to differ, try reading the V5

I just have and it still says at point 1 :- registered keeper, your point? Do you really own a car? . www.motoringassist.c om/blog/2011/10/31/n ew-mot-docs-and-log- books-are-here/

Yes I do, and its paid for, and it runs on veg oil believe it or not, 85ppl, so if you ever see an Isuzu Trooper that smells like a chippy its probably me. BTW, Veg is legal and tax free up to 2500L a year, after that you pay tax on the whole amount used.

Yeah and the government under statute law, put dye in diesel and charge ten times the price! Answer me this are you happy that some made up law by an equal, has dictated that you will have to pay them if you go over 2500L per year, is that not your god given right?

There is no such thing as God therefore it is not a God given right. It is all man made and no man is equal as do all live by different lives - and we are not all born the same as some are born through C-section, some are induced etc etc etc and we don't all die the same - thus we are not all equal!

Tell me, who did the Queen swear an oath too, God? And who would one swear by if he/she was in a court of law, whilst holding a bible?

[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote:
Sorry Mick but I need my driving licence and couldnt afford points on it for not using my seatbelt, unless you are saying we can all drive without insurance and they cant actually take a car off a person or jail them for no insurance ?[/p][/quote]You can lawfully not legally de-register you car and become a traveller rather than a driver, search the definition in Black's law dictionary again for confirmation. Ask yourself why we see all these foreign plated cars in Bolton that don't display a valid excise licence, and are untouchable? Would it be because they haven't entered into a contract with the DVLA yet by registering their car?[/p][/quote]One of my cars came back as no registered keeper after a mix up at DVLA, I never did bother updating them ;)[/p][/quote]Ha you still haven't got it, they aren't your cars, they are the property of your legal fiction owned by the DVLA because you consent![/p][/quote]I beg to differ, try reading the V5[/p][/quote]I just have and it still says at point 1 :- registered keeper, your point? Do you really own a car?
.
www.motoringassist.c
om/blog/2011/10/31/n
ew-mot-docs-and-log-
books-are-here/[/p][/quote]Yes I do, and its paid for, and it runs on veg oil believe it or not, 85ppl, so if you ever see an Isuzu Trooper that smells like a chippy its probably me.
BTW, Veg is legal and tax free up to 2500L a year, after that you pay tax on the whole amount used.[/p][/quote]Yeah and the government under statute law, put dye in diesel and charge ten times the price! Answer me this are you happy that some made up law by an equal, has dictated that you will have to pay them if you go over 2500L per year, is that not your god given right?[/p][/quote]There is no such thing as God therefore it is not a God given right. It is all man made and no man is equal as do all live by different lives - and we are not all born the same as some are born through C-section, some are induced etc etc etc and we don't all die the same - thus we are not all equal![/p][/quote]Tell me, who did the Queen swear an oath too, God? And who would one swear by if he/she was in a court of law, whilst holding a bible?Mick England

BWFC71 wrote…

Mick England wrote…

mr.mark.c wrote…

Mick England wrote…

mr.mark.c wrote…

Mick England wrote…

mr.mark.c wrote…

Mick England wrote…

mr.mark.c wrote…

Sorry Mick but I need my driving licence and couldnt afford points on it for not using my seatbelt, unless you are saying we can all drive without insurance and they cant actually take a car off a person or jail them for no insurance ?

You can lawfully not legally de-register you car and become a traveller rather than a driver, search the definition in Black's law dictionary again for confirmation. Ask yourself why we see all these foreign plated cars in Bolton that don't display a valid excise licence, and are untouchable? Would it be because they haven't entered into a contract with the DVLA yet by registering their car?

One of my cars came back as no registered keeper after a mix up at DVLA, I never did bother updating them ;)

Ha you still haven't got it, they aren't your cars, they are the property of your legal fiction owned by the DVLA because you consent!

I beg to differ, try reading the V5

I just have and it still says at point 1 :- registered keeper, your point? Do you really own a car? . www.motoringassist.c om/blog/2011/10/31/n ew-mot-docs-and-log- books-are-here/

Yes I do, and its paid for, and it runs on veg oil believe it or not, 85ppl, so if you ever see an Isuzu Trooper that smells like a chippy its probably me. BTW, Veg is legal and tax free up to 2500L a year, after that you pay tax on the whole amount used.

Yeah and the government under statute law, put dye in diesel and charge ten times the price! Answer me this are you happy that some made up law by an equal, has dictated that you will have to pay them if you go over 2500L per year, is that not your god given right?

There is no such thing as God therefore it is not a God given right. It is all man made and no man is equal as do all live by different lives - and we are not all born the same as some are born through C-section, some are induced etc etc etc and we don't all die the same - thus we are not all equal!

Tell me, who did the Queen swear an oath too, God? And who would one swear by if he/she was in a court of law, whilst holding a bible?

Score: -3

mr.mark.c says...10:42pm Sun 19 Jan 14

You just hold your hand up and swear to tell the truth, no bible needed.

You just hold your hand up and swear to tell the truth, no bible needed.mr.mark.c

You just hold your hand up and swear to tell the truth, no bible needed.

Score: 4

BWFC71 says...10:51pm Sun 19 Jan 14

mr.mark.c wrote…

You just hold your hand up and swear to tell the truth, no bible needed.

Excatly no bible is required for courts nowadays!

[quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote:
You just hold your hand up and swear to tell the truth, no bible needed.[/p][/quote]Excatly no bible is required for courts nowadays!BWFC71

mr.mark.c wrote…

You just hold your hand up and swear to tell the truth, no bible needed.

Excatly no bible is required for courts nowadays!

Score: 4

Mick England says...10:57pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Ok but does one not have to say "I swear by almighty god........?"

Ok but does one not have to say "I swear by almighty god........?"Mick England

Ok but does one not have to say "I swear by almighty god........?"

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mr.mark.c says...11:02pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Mick England wrote…

Ok but does one not have to say "I swear by almighty god........?"

Nope. Just the I swear to tell the truth bit.

[quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote:
Ok but does one not have to say "I swear by almighty god........?"[/p][/quote]Nope.
Just the I swear to tell the truth bit.mr.mark.c

So that is why prosecuting people costs so much, pillocks trying to play the system. And that filming is contempt of court.

[quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote:
Watch this.... Watch "Ray St.Clair Freeman On The Land - Gloucester Court 2010" on YouTube
https://www.youtube.
com/watch?v=LBJeBfAU
hg0&feature=yout
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gdata_player[/p][/quote]So that is why prosecuting people costs so much, pillocks trying to play the system.
And that filming is contempt of court.mr.mark.c

So that is why prosecuting people costs so much, pillocks trying to play the system. And that filming is contempt of court.

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SleepingThunder says...8:36am Mon 20 Jan 14

Well done Mick England & mr.mark you have gone from fracking to driveing convictions in one post? You should become fracking companys P.R to "Muddy the water" Woop's they are doing that on there own..

Well done Mick England & mr.mark you have gone from fracking to driveing convictions in one post? You should become fracking companys P.R to "Muddy the water" Woop's they are doing that on there own..SleepingThunder

Well done Mick England & mr.mark you have gone from fracking to driveing convictions in one post? You should become fracking companys P.R to "Muddy the water" Woop's they are doing that on there own..

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purrofaces says...11:24am Mon 20 Jan 14

So many ignorant comments. A select few fighting for your kids future against fracking and fracking up your water supplies. Maybe you people should get off your arse and support them, or do you not have childeren or a water supply. Total petrol station is a french owned company that are investing in fracking, who have incidently banned it in their own country. No hope with so many ignorant people in this country.

So many ignorant comments.
A select few fighting for your kids future against fracking and fracking up your water supplies. Maybe you people should get off your arse and support them, or do you not have childeren or a water supply.
Total petrol station is a french owned company that are investing in fracking, who have incidently banned it in their own country.
No hope with so many ignorant people in this country.purrofaces

So many ignorant comments. A select few fighting for your kids future against fracking and fracking up your water supplies. Maybe you people should get off your arse and support them, or do you not have childeren or a water supply. Total petrol station is a french owned company that are investing in fracking, who have incidently banned it in their own country. No hope with so many ignorant people in this country.

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The Righteous One says...12:30pm Mon 20 Jan 14

purrofaces wrote…

So many ignorant comments. A select few fighting for your kids future against fracking and fracking up your water supplies. Maybe you people should get off your arse and support them, or do you not have childeren or a water supply. Total petrol station is a french owned company that are investing in fracking, who have incidently banned it in their own country. No hope with so many ignorant people in this country.

Not ignorant - just have ALL th facts to prove that the chance has to be taken. Could you imagine if the chance hadn't had been taken to explore for gas to begin with, or even coal, or even oil!!! What are you going to fight for when the "normal" fossil fuels run out, or will you be a hypocrite and start supporting the search and drilling for shale gas? France banned it, Germany has a morandum to seek out more information - that is 2 countries out of how many in Europe? Netherlands has been drilling for a few years now and nothing bad has happened - in fact I lived close to a shale-gas plant and never suffered any problems. Could you imagine if we still believed the earth to be flat and were not now exploring the universe because of a possible fear!

[quote][p][bold]purrofaces[/bold] wrote:
So many ignorant comments.
A select few fighting for your kids future against fracking and fracking up your water supplies. Maybe you people should get off your arse and support them, or do you not have childeren or a water supply.
Total petrol station is a french owned company that are investing in fracking, who have incidently banned it in their own country.
No hope with so many ignorant people in this country.[/p][/quote]Not ignorant - just have ALL th facts to prove that the chance has to be taken. Could you imagine if the chance hadn't had been taken to explore for gas to begin with, or even coal, or even oil!!!
What are you going to fight for when the "normal" fossil fuels run out, or will you be a hypocrite and start supporting the search and drilling for shale gas?
France banned it, Germany has a morandum to seek out more information - that is 2 countries out of how many in Europe?
Netherlands has been drilling for a few years now and nothing bad has happened - in fact I lived close to a shale-gas plant and never suffered any problems.
Could you imagine if we still believed the earth to be flat and were not now exploring the universe because of a possible fear!The Righteous One

purrofaces wrote…

So many ignorant comments. A select few fighting for your kids future against fracking and fracking up your water supplies. Maybe you people should get off your arse and support them, or do you not have childeren or a water supply. Total petrol station is a french owned company that are investing in fracking, who have incidently banned it in their own country. No hope with so many ignorant people in this country.

Not ignorant - just have ALL th facts to prove that the chance has to be taken. Could you imagine if the chance hadn't had been taken to explore for gas to begin with, or even coal, or even oil!!! What are you going to fight for when the "normal" fossil fuels run out, or will you be a hypocrite and start supporting the search and drilling for shale gas? France banned it, Germany has a morandum to seek out more information - that is 2 countries out of how many in Europe? Netherlands has been drilling for a few years now and nothing bad has happened - in fact I lived close to a shale-gas plant and never suffered any problems. Could you imagine if we still believed the earth to be flat and were not now exploring the universe because of a possible fear!

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purrofaces says...12:51pm Mon 20 Jan 14

like i said, ignorant....are you really under the illusion there is no alternate FREE energy?.....maybe you should take a look at Americas fracking nightmare and how it's polluting most of the water supplies. Look up Tesla and wireless electricity, solar power, hello?....This is big business not giving a toss about you or I for profit..wake up dunce.

like i said, ignorant....are you really under the illusion there is no alternate FREE energy?.....maybe you should take a look at Americas fracking nightmare and how it's polluting most of the water supplies. Look up Tesla and wireless electricity, solar power, hello?....This is big business not giving a toss about you or I for profit..wake up dunce.purrofaces

like i said, ignorant....are you really under the illusion there is no alternate FREE energy?.....maybe you should take a look at Americas fracking nightmare and how it's polluting most of the water supplies. Look up Tesla and wireless electricity, solar power, hello?....This is big business not giving a toss about you or I for profit..wake up dunce.

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Jim271 says...3:25pm Mon 20 Jan 14

The fact that FRACKING is banned in France should be ringing alarm bells!!!! North Sea Oil was supposed to make us independent and rich. We need to be using less energy not finding ways to screw up the planet to find more,

The fact that FRACKING is banned in France should be ringing alarm bells!!!!
North Sea Oil was supposed to make us independent and rich.
We need to be using less energy not finding ways to screw up the planet to find more,Jim271

The fact that FRACKING is banned in France should be ringing alarm bells!!!! North Sea Oil was supposed to make us independent and rich. We need to be using less energy not finding ways to screw up the planet to find more,

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mr.mark.c says...6:27pm Mon 20 Jan 14

purrofaces wrote…

So many ignorant comments. A select few fighting for your kids future against fracking and fracking up your water supplies. Maybe you people should get off your arse and support them, or do you not have childeren or a water supply. Total petrol station is a french owned company that are investing in fracking, who have incidently banned it in their own country. No hope with so many ignorant people in this country.

Isn't it a shame they picked a station that isn't owned by Total.

[quote][p][bold]purrofaces[/bold] wrote:
So many ignorant comments.
A select few fighting for your kids future against fracking and fracking up your water supplies. Maybe you people should get off your arse and support them, or do you not have childeren or a water supply.
Total petrol station is a french owned company that are investing in fracking, who have incidently banned it in their own country.
No hope with so many ignorant people in this country.[/p][/quote]Isn't it a shame they picked a station that isn't owned by Total.mr.mark.c

purrofaces wrote…

So many ignorant comments. A select few fighting for your kids future against fracking and fracking up your water supplies. Maybe you people should get off your arse and support them, or do you not have childeren or a water supply. Total petrol station is a french owned company that are investing in fracking, who have incidently banned it in their own country. No hope with so many ignorant people in this country.

Isn't it a shame they picked a station that isn't owned by Total.

Score: -1

BWFC71 says...8:30pm Mon 20 Jan 14

Jim271 wrote…

The fact that FRACKING is banned in France should be ringing alarm bells!!!! North Sea Oil was supposed to make us independent and rich. We need to be using less energy not finding ways to screw up the planet to find more,

The fact that fracking is NOT banned in over 25 countries and is only banned in Tunisia and France says not a lot. Dutch have had fracking for over 30 years and more than 15 other countries for over 25 years experience with no problems whatsoever!!!! Conclusion: Overwhelming facts and figures show that fracking is much safer than nuclear fusion or even normal gas and oil extraction!

[quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote:
The fact that FRACKING is banned in France should be ringing alarm bells!!!!
North Sea Oil was supposed to make us independent and rich.
We need to be using less energy not finding ways to screw up the planet to find more,[/p][/quote]The fact that fracking is NOT banned in over 25 countries and is only banned in Tunisia and France says not a lot. Dutch have had fracking for over 30 years and more than 15 other countries for over 25 years experience with no problems whatsoever!!!!
Conclusion: Overwhelming facts and figures show that fracking is much safer than nuclear fusion or even normal gas and oil extraction!BWFC71

Jim271 wrote…

The fact that FRACKING is banned in France should be ringing alarm bells!!!! North Sea Oil was supposed to make us independent and rich. We need to be using less energy not finding ways to screw up the planet to find more,

The fact that fracking is NOT banned in over 25 countries and is only banned in Tunisia and France says not a lot. Dutch have had fracking for over 30 years and more than 15 other countries for over 25 years experience with no problems whatsoever!!!! Conclusion: Overwhelming facts and figures show that fracking is much safer than nuclear fusion or even normal gas and oil extraction!

Score: 1

BWFC71 says...8:32pm Mon 20 Jan 14

purrofaces wrote…

like i said, ignorant....are you really under the illusion there is no alternate FREE energy?.....maybe you should take a look at Americas fracking nightmare and how it's polluting most of the water supplies. Look up Tesla and wireless electricity, solar power, hello?....This is big business not giving a toss about you or I for profit..wake up dunce.

What about the fracking in Canada, South Africa, New Zealand, Australia and The Netherlands where they have had fracking for well over 25 years with NO problems whatsoever!!! Does that show that the fear is very minimal - much less than Nuclear fusion or even crossing the road!

[quote][p][bold]purrofaces[/bold] wrote:
like i said, ignorant....are you really under the illusion there is no alternate FREE energy?.....maybe you should take a look at Americas fracking nightmare and how it's polluting most of the water supplies. Look up Tesla and wireless electricity, solar power, hello?....This is big business not giving a toss about you or I for profit..wake up dunce.[/p][/quote]What about the fracking in Canada, South Africa, New Zealand, Australia and The Netherlands where they have had fracking for well over 25 years with NO problems whatsoever!!!
Does that show that the fear is very minimal - much less than Nuclear fusion or even crossing the road!BWFC71

purrofaces wrote…

like i said, ignorant....are you really under the illusion there is no alternate FREE energy?.....maybe you should take a look at Americas fracking nightmare and how it's polluting most of the water supplies. Look up Tesla and wireless electricity, solar power, hello?....This is big business not giving a toss about you or I for profit..wake up dunce.

What about the fracking in Canada, South Africa, New Zealand, Australia and The Netherlands where they have had fracking for well over 25 years with NO problems whatsoever!!! Does that show that the fear is very minimal - much less than Nuclear fusion or even crossing the road!

Score: 1

mr.mark.c says...8:59pm Mon 20 Jan 14

BWFC71 wrote…

purrofaces wrote…

like i said, ignorant....are you really under the illusion there is no alternate FREE energy?.....maybe you should take a look at Americas fracking nightmare and how it's polluting most of the water supplies. Look up Tesla and wireless electricity, solar power, hello?....This is big business not giving a toss about you or I for profit..wake up dunce.

What about the fracking in Canada, South Africa, New Zealand, Australia and The Netherlands where they have had fracking for well over 25 years with NO problems whatsoever!!! Does that show that the fear is very minimal - much less than Nuclear fusion or even crossing the road!

Fusion would be good apart from it takes more energy to produce than it uses, unless you mean Fission ?

[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]purrofaces[/bold] wrote:
like i said, ignorant....are you really under the illusion there is no alternate FREE energy?.....maybe you should take a look at Americas fracking nightmare and how it's polluting most of the water supplies. Look up Tesla and wireless electricity, solar power, hello?....This is big business not giving a toss about you or I for profit..wake up dunce.[/p][/quote]What about the fracking in Canada, South Africa, New Zealand, Australia and The Netherlands where they have had fracking for well over 25 years with NO problems whatsoever!!!
Does that show that the fear is very minimal - much less than Nuclear fusion or even crossing the road![/p][/quote]Fusion would be good apart from it takes more energy to produce than it uses, unless you mean Fission ?mr.mark.c

BWFC71 wrote…

purrofaces wrote…

like i said, ignorant....are you really under the illusion there is no alternate FREE energy?.....maybe you should take a look at Americas fracking nightmare and how it's polluting most of the water supplies. Look up Tesla and wireless electricity, solar power, hello?....This is big business not giving a toss about you or I for profit..wake up dunce.

What about the fracking in Canada, South Africa, New Zealand, Australia and The Netherlands where they have had fracking for well over 25 years with NO problems whatsoever!!! Does that show that the fear is very minimal - much less than Nuclear fusion or even crossing the road!

Fusion would be good apart from it takes more energy to produce than it uses, unless you mean Fission ?

Score: 0

Dr Martin says...1:51pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Dr Martin wrote…

Donatello wrote…

morons with nothing better to do than waste police time plus the possible loss of income and inconvenience to the station owner, staff and customers

Agreed they look like a bunch of dope smoking, unwashed tree huggers to me

Still look like a bunch of unwashed tree huggers

[quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Donatello[/bold] wrote:
morons with nothing better to do than waste police time plus the possible loss of income and inconvenience to the station owner, staff and customers[/p][/quote]Agreed they look like a bunch of dope smoking, unwashed tree huggers to me[/p][/quote]Still look like a bunch of unwashed tree huggersDr Martin

Dr Martin wrote…

Donatello wrote…

morons with nothing better to do than waste police time plus the possible loss of income and inconvenience to the station owner, staff and customers

Agreed they look like a bunch of dope smoking, unwashed tree huggers to me

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