What engineers found when they tore apart tesla's model 3

Bloomberg Technology

Oct.17 -- Tesla's Model 3 boasts the best technology and motor of any electric vehicle, but a team of engineers in Detroit say there's a major flaw in the car's design that's hurting Tesla's profit margins. Bloomberg Television's Ed Ludlow reports.

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Will Prowse RV Living and Off-grid Solar

This has to be a joke? Ok, I guess I will never listen to Bloomberg again. Good job on losing credibility today Bloomberg.

2018-10-23

Samuel Brooks

Well seeing as you've featured a Model S and not a 3, and also mentioned the wrong Chevy - I think you need to go back to the drawing board 😒

2018-10-23

Mellow _

“Tesla’s Model 3..” *Model S 2012 rolls up*

2018-10-23

Dom L-w

Hate to break it to you but that is a Tesla Model S

2018-10-23

Dorian Wilson

I never wanted a Tesla before, but all this hate makes me want one more. Clearly they are scaring powerful people.

2018-10-23

Soj. H

Apparently, the "worst" feature of Model 3 is one of the main reasons why Model 3 is the safest car ever tested by NHTSA.

2018-10-20

JayyEVee

'Experts in Detroit'. Ok, from there on you lost me on credibility..

2018-10-23

George Shonia

I would happiest man in country if i got any model of tesla.. Damn it ❤

2018-10-23

GH0ST X

Title says Model 3. Shows Model S *_Aight Bet_*

2018-10-23

Kárpát Zoltán

I'm sorry to inform this bought off expert and #fakemedia, Tesla borrowed technologies from SpaceX, which makes nearly perfect vehicles for space. It's like if GM had NASA engineers on speed dial. And i'm sorry again, your argument is as absurd as yourself, dear Munro guy. You're saying Tesla should build crappier cars?! That basically means all car companies who hired you are building shitty cars, following your advice... NOT COOL!

2018-10-23

Mike Wright

Talking about Model 3 but showing clip of Model S. Lol. Great work.

2018-10-19

Shinigami117 S

Stiff body to save the passengers from a fatal battery pack smash/ explosion? Sounds like a good thing to me

2018-10-23

Jason Osorio

Sounds like cry cry cry, "they don't build it like us so it sucks" LMAO they will never build it like you, and that's why they are winning.. good luck catching up old man

2018-10-23

Jerry Barnacules

Take this with a grain of salt since the company that conducted this analysis went on record earlier saying the Model 3 couldn’t be profitable and they had to eat crow when it turned out they were wrong. It’s clear now the company is attempting to slander Tesla because they are mad about the retraction and want to be able to claim if it was built their way it would not be profitable which just makes them look like idiots. The Model 3 is a wonderful car and this guys firm has lost all credibility. (Source: http://insideevs.com/munro-tesla-model-3-profitable/)

2018-10-24

jocko john

This is one of those guys who would have said......We don't need cars...we need faster horses.....

2018-10-23

Mike Wright

“The body is too stiff” well that too stiff body earned a perfect 5 stars in crash test and is the safest vehicle you can buy so...

2018-10-19

Karvan86

these complaining people are people who have strong ties to gasoline-powered vehicles and obviously hate electric cars as a result because they're a threat to their business. Bloomberg is a joke

2018-10-23

epSos.de

*30% profit is still 30% profit.* They made the decent electric car faster than other manufacturers. That's what counts.

2018-10-24

Konrad C

Bloomberg translation: USA AMERICANS, Tesla "musk" be eliminated. It will last and the body is too stiff , creating a strong safety cage, and great handling. You must adhere to your love for Detroit steel that rusted away and was badge engineered with subpar parts for decades. We have nothing to offer you that comes close to the Tesla. We couldn't even film a Model 3, so we used a much larger and heavier Model S to compare our Chev-I mean Daewoo to. You must buy Detroit, it is better. The GM KOREA CHEV- I MEAN DAEWOO BOLT IS LESS STIFF, and uses its flexibility to handle corners better. GM KOREA's patented " BODY FLEX" Technology senses when you are on a incline or corner and automatically flexes so that the doors can't open normally! So, BUY DAEWOO, I MEAN GM KOREA, I MEAN DETROIT and support the US America, so that we may build a better future for our!

Frank my Texas!

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Finleyrizo

These people are actually stupid. The car is designed perfectly for a fully automated build by a robot. Not one part is done by hand... theres nothing wrong with how its designed ffs

2018-10-23

Bryce Waggoner

So a team of Detroit engineers tears apart this car to look for its flaws. Not to mention that all 3 of Tesla's competitors in the USA are stationed in Detroit. Just maybe these results are biased ?

2018-10-23

Mauricio Garcia

0:20 model 3? That’s a model S

2018-10-19

tornado415

The "flaw" they are talking about isn't about the model 3 being a bad car. They stated in the video that the Tesla 3 is a much superior car compared to the other available electrics on the market. What they are saying is Tesla has designed the car too expensive to produce and therefore making the company not as profitable as it could be if it did things in a more conventional way which is all about what bloomberg is about, profitable companies. Regardless of safety ratings and how good the car is, etc. this is a serious issue for the investors because they arent making money. All these Tesla fans need to realize that the message this video is trying to convey is that the car is not going to make as much money as Musk wants to unless the flaw is somehow fixed/changed.

2018-10-24

Raijin

If Tesla collaborated with Mercedes in terms of design, technology and build I would buy that car in an instant. As it is Tesla is a tech company trying to emulate a car company. Yes their cars are great and advanced but more often than not its at the sacrifice of overall build quality and time. Just look at the methods they use to keep the car together. It's so complex and non intuitive that it slows down their production line and hinders themselves in the process. If Tesla sorts out their manufacturing process they have the potential to absolutely smash any of their competitors. They already have cars that outperform most ICE vehicles now they just need to make them more available.

2018-10-23

Junkerbunker

The tesla is so bad because the body is too stiff and well built!!!! Hahahahahahahahaha bloomberg just lost ALL CREDIBILITY. You drive your korean daewoo designed Chevy volt designed to fold like oragami. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Bmw strives to make each new model stiffer than the last, bloomberg strives to make new cars chinese quality for profit.

2018-10-23

StefTheDev

I think he is just way too old fashioned in his way of thinking. These bodies have been tested and it safety is beyond a lot of other manufactured car in the industry.

2018-10-23

Tadeu Ferreira

"Tesla model 3" , shows a Old Model S

2018-10-19

Hugo Maravilla Ortiz

Time to retire this Sandy old codger. He got jealous that the Tesla chassis can get "stiff."🍆

2018-10-24

Shadi Nachat

Tesla isn't to focused to profit that's why their build isn't shit like other car manufacturers. They didn't cut corners like other companies

2018-10-23

r324ever

I didn’t see a single model 3 being looked at or reviewed over lol

2018-10-23

A Rural Vermonter - Qqjmcb 182

calls it a model three, its an s. calls it a bolt, its a volt. jesus christ

2018-10-24

redspin2ify

BLOOMBERG PLEASE STOP😂😂😂 Your agenda is showing, you guys are the same people that caused the financial crash in 2008 and are the same people who tell your investors to short tesla stock making it the most shorted stock in history. Anyone reading just please spread the message, anytime they post anything on tesla they're always so biased, this could almost be classed as criminal, you shouldn't be able to manipulate the stock market with news articles to suit yourself...

2018-10-20

Fizizy

Hey you leave Daddy Elon Alone. You're no longer invited to Mars

2018-10-24

Big Richard

Mark Anthony

The simple fact is that when you are restricted to carrying a heavy battery...you require more structure, particularly around wheel arches. And for those of you who are members of the Tesla cult, yes I am qualified to make such an assessment having worked on automotive structures for 20 plus years. What is the long term outlook for E.V.'s when the means to produce electricity are rapidly diminishing, because green energy doesn't cut it, and there is an threefold increase in the demand for electricity because of charging infrastructure and more batteries to charge? Very limited...that's the outlook for E.V.'s. You will never replace the cost effectiveness of fossil fuels, like it or not that's the truth.

2018-10-23

Luck z

All the dislikes from Tesla monkeys tapping on their Apple phones 😂😂😂🤮

2018-10-23

Roger Starkey

"We watched a video from a supposedly reputable organisation, (Bloomberg), but found it to be biased, sloppy, and full of errors......"

2018-10-19

AL3KS

4:06 "neodidium magnets" 😂😂😂

2018-10-23

RAN D

First of all it's just bad editing that they have a Model S in the video. Competition is wonderful for people like us to get access to amazing things. Just like our cell phones we get wonderful cars.

2018-10-24

wafemaster

Tesla= a lot of Hightech Knowledge in a car Other= a lot of car Knowledge with Hightech

2018-10-23

Adnan A

I was expecting Elon to troll us with something.

2018-10-23

Gabriel Malek

Model 3 is the third safest car in the world. Thats why the body is so complex, duh.

2018-10-19

Yusef El-sheikh

Uhh that's a model s

2018-10-24

Jackson Nash

The thumbnail is a model S

2018-10-23

WuzNab

A very big RC car.

2018-10-24

Junkerbunker

I'll take a stiff and heavy model 3 over a korean daewoo chevy volt ANYDAY. I'll even take the model S since that was most of your footage LOL. You hear that Bloomberg? Stiff cars handle GREAT, we don't care about your business analysis, we want good solid cars. If it was up to your business reports, everyone would be driving Chery QQs @elonmusk Don't listen to these clowns The thumbs down on this video say it all

2018-10-23

poobear Cretu

They built it too well. Haha. Hopefully they can keep building it well but improve the building problems. As of October 21st, 2018 Tesla has produced over 151,000 Model 3’s. Those are good numbers! Can’t wait for 90k+ cars produced in Q4.

2018-10-21

Alex Torres

Wow, I wanted to give this video the benefit of the doubt, but this is horrible. “The body is too stiff”? Wow, let’s slam Tesla because their car is so stiff and oh wait, that’s right, one of the safest cars ever!!! Then showing a Model S when they talk about a Model 3 in the video? If they can’t get that minor detail right, how reliable is the rest of their information? He said “neodidium” and the magnets are actually called neodymium magnets. Wow, ehh just another minor detail the “engineer” got wrong. I think that guy actually cleans the shop. Horrible.

2018-10-23

John D

The left media is constantly going after elon musk. It's because he stands for everything they hate. Smart, white, rich, entrepreneur, who challenges the social norm. I'm happy to hear this car is well built, thank you for this informative video.

2018-10-23

Max

Never seen a more biased commentary by that CEO.

2018-10-24

Dieter Manero

How much did BMW and Chev pay you to say all this.. Telsa is the future....pure and simple.

2018-10-23

Brick Hunter

I think most Tesla owners will agree with me that once you own a Tesla you will never go back to purchasing gas vehicle. I love my model x.

2018-10-19

Yousef Hammad

Why do u say model 3, but show a model s car

2018-10-24

NickName Mn

"the body is too stiff" ? what, do you want to sit in a car that is less stiff so that when accident happen, you would rather become a shredded meatball idiot!.

2018-10-24

CK_32

This guy is either spot on, or one of those stubborn old guys who is stuck in the past and not open to ANY new ideas. Ether a genius or a quack. Only time will tell.

2018-10-23

MADBONE

*Dinosaur reviews spaceship* From this guy's perspective this car is a ufo

2018-10-20

Sidney Isais

What’s wrong with having a chasis that’s too stiff? If the car rolls over I sure as hell don’t want to be crushed by the battery.

2018-10-24

samsa deniz

tesla is crap.

2018-10-23

Random Tangent

Why so many dislikes? Simplification of manufacturing, using more common parts rather than unique parts and less worker-hours required per car, keeps prices down. This video infers that Tesla isn't making as much per car as they could, or they could sell their cars for less. Either way, that's a plus for the consumer, you get a better built car, possibly at a more competitive price. As for being the safest car, that is mostly to do with in-car electronics and not the number of welds or the types of fasteners used.

Marko Gajić

Nick Eckemoff

In summary the only good thing about the car is the battery pack and motor. We all know that.

2018-10-23

Jack Murray

All the Tesla Fanboys, please note Chevy makes electric cars, BMW makes electric cars, Nissan makes electric cars. TODAY. Cheaper. When Tesla delivers an EV for the price of a Toyota Camry, he might be called successful, until then he sells THE HUMMER OF EVs, which is driven by people who are wasteful.

2018-10-23

FBI Federal Bureau of Investigation

Sooo basically it’s the best car ever but Tesla doesn’t profit that well? Well it’s not a loss for the buyer? So why make this video? You don’t think Tesla already knows this? The body is heavy and expensive that’s why it’s the safest one out there. Besides that is a model S not a model 3 this is the shittiest and most useless video ever...

2018-10-23

klaas muller

Haha iT was a model S

2018-10-23

Brandon LaBianco

Bloomberg trying to destroy Tesla. They lost all credibility. You see FUD articles on from them on financial sites as well.

2018-10-20

KingASE88

That is actually a model s...

2018-10-23

Romes Garage

THE REASON FOR THIS ? TESLA IS KILLING THE ELECTRIC MARKET

2018-10-23

Boris

wtf.. does anybody take this seriously? this is obviously an attempt to damage tesla, let me guess sponsored by GM?

2018-10-24

Brandon H

Hilarious. I feel this video is trying to convince me that auto makers would make Tesla's own car better. This is literally LMAO funny. Completely hypothetical because they would not make an electric car for general use-not like tesla-and if they did, they wouldn't advertise it. Yes they own patents and even have show cars and concepts electric cars and the volt. The thing you all need to realize is that automakers will not mass produce electric cars. Automakers are heavily influenced by Oil companies. Oil companies want you to buy their product-they are the apex, fourth Reich. They are not going to easily allow a vehicle that runs on electricity to sell. IF they did, Honda, Toyota, Ford would be selling electric cars. I mean hybrids they will sell. Know why? Because they consume gasoline! Durh...I will never forget this bloomberg. Anyone remember the fuel alternatives Bush spent billions on? Technology exist, but once California ended their legislature to force automakers to make electric cars the fuel cell and hydrogen car was put on the shelf. Oil companies are not ready to stop forcing you buy oil, gasoline, and diesel-no matter the health and environmental cost. We are all just cash cattle.

2018-10-23

Kyle Hickey

They have no credibility if they cant identify an IPM motor that has laminated magnets (Not halbach arrays) (Laminated magnets reduce eddy currents and improve performance). They also failed to identify that the computer hardware came from Nvidia. They are forever stuck in the Detroit old school world. Everyone else is moving on.

2018-10-19

Geoffrey Price

Editor, please when putting in b-roll please put the relevant clip for what is being said. thanks

2018-10-23

Confident Dinosaur Productions

dang, he made it through a whole 5 minute video in Detroit without getting shot

2018-10-24

Quill Maurer

So basically they're saying that the Tesla is a damn good car, but it's not well designed for production - pretty much what could be expected when a botique small-volume car maker tries to make a mass market vehicle - they struggle a bit. They've had a hard time keeping up with demand, and have had all manner of production delays. And, of course, they ain't cheap - if they designed it for cheaper manufacturing it could be sold at a cheaper price. They're gradually sorting it out though, I have confidence that they'll eventually wind up on top of the automotive industry. What would be really interesting would be if Tesla entered a partnership with another more traditional carmaker, combine Tesla's ability to make really good cars with the others' ability to make millions of them, and truly be unstoppable. But Tesla is gradually figuring it out on their own, and I doubt Elon would be up for that.

2018-10-23

neovxr

This is exciting. Over time they will correct some over-engineering, and get more experience in optimizing a chassis. Because customers are excited with the fundamental technologies from battery to motors to control electronics. I really hope they get enough support and patience to tunnel through those difficulties. It is great to see a startup get something done while the competition has 70 years of experience in advance.

2018-10-23

rsm 287

This guy doesn't understand that Tesla don't build the car to barely pass current safety standards like other auto manufacturers. Their aim was to build the best and safest car, not just build down to the lowest possible cost. There seems to be a lot about the car that Sandy Munro doesn't really get because he is constrained by some of the old ways of thinking. As he went deeper and learned more about the electronics he did change his mind about the car and said that he had to "eat crow", so he should get a lot of credit for saying that his initial assessment was wrong. Tesla is still a young manufacturer and they are getting better and better all the time.

2018-10-19

Azureecosse

I dont really get what the problem is here, is this just an attempt by the oil cartels to rubbish a brand that threatens their future profits, I am no Tesla fan, I dont own one and even if I could afford the price it would be unlikely as I tend to use public transport. The brand appears to have a loyal base of customers the cars seem well screwed together and passes the strict safety tests in Europe. I am sure if GM or Ford built cars to this spec there would waiting lists for years, but they dont because they still live in the pockets of the Oil Cartels and although vastly heavy polluting do not get the stick that Tesla appear to be getting.

2018-10-23

Zidlef

Well all others manufacturers cannot catch up to Tesla, so let's try to say the body has issues LOL Well the body is too sturdy !!!! it could be lighter!!! Well maybe it was made that way to be more secure for the passengers in the car in case an accident happens!! BUT OMG Tesla thought of that from the get go?? What is wrong with them!! Hire lawyers and when only a few people die, it is part of our surveys on cost VS humans life cost and it is acceptable!! The best electric car available on the market is?? TESLA !!!! Maybe in 20 years the dinosaur manufacturers can catch up to today's Tesla technology, but in 20 years Tesla will still be light years in advance of them.

2018-10-23

Gary LeLacheur

Why does everybody want to tear down something that not only dares to be different but does a bloody excellent job of it? Telsa is building all electric cars, cars which beat the pants of "conventional" cars. Why would you compare the Tesla with conventional car manufacturers whose only policy is that "electric cars don't work". Remember GMs EV1, yeah GM was so smart it recalled its leased vehicles and crushed the lot. Tesla is way ahead of conventional manufacturers and it's time the commentators had the balls to say so.

2018-10-23

Alex Maunu

Im pretty sure with the AI. Tesla's are the safest cars on the market

2018-10-23

Brian Paulk

Wow there was a lot of B roll videos from 2011 of Model S betas...

2018-10-19

mrski

Oh this video reeks of horse manure! You got a "expert from Detroit"... well you lost me right there, as Detroit can't build the type of quality Tesla does, then you go on to say "had this car been built it a "typical" assembly plant like Ford or Toyota", seriously? Then Tesla would suck like the others do!! And the crap about profit margin, as if you really care. Elon Musk builds and sells amazing cars! Tesla has been the best thing to happen to the automotive industry in over half a century (at least), and I'm glad Tesla has kicked the other manufacturers in the butt because they needed this wake up call. Thank God Tesla is NOT part of the Detroit click.

2018-10-24

Ryan Kester

Video shows a Tesla Model S, and says they compared the Model 3 to a Chevy Bolt, but shows a photo of a Volt. Facepalm.

2018-10-24

I Need Big Drink

“Chevy Bolt” shows Chevy Volt. Talks about Model 3, shows model S. What is going on in this video???

2018-10-23

AustinSummersOfficial

Screw you Bloomberg. Don't talk about tesla or elon musk. They're miles ahead of anyone and you're all just jealous and the people analysing are hired by the conventional automotive industry to try rid the market of competition. So. No. Absolutely no. There's no way on this planet tesla has flaws. Elon is a king. End of story.

2018-10-23

Roger Starkey

Correct me if I'm wrong. The "German" stripdown actually *praised* Tesla for only using 3 (4?) Types of screw, where BMW (etc) used 40? Yet this contradicts that. Something's fishy!

2018-10-19

King Prospect

So buy one before they start building it cheap; Musk is no longer chairman so I think decisions like this will be affected in the future. The engineering of the body rigidity is a valued cost but it is heavy. If the car was lighter by 20%, which as of now the model S almost 5K lbs, you may get and additional 15 - 25 % range increase depending on many other factors. To be able to extend to roughly 420 or more miles would be great. They could build the entire vehicle in carbon fiber but that would cost way more....I think or a carbon poly mixed material that is cheaper but you keep the rigidity. It would still have a mix of metal materials with the carbon poly material for safety....I think it would be a need but not much of it.

2018-10-23

TwoStage 45

You need all that weight to keep you on the ground when your in ludicrous speed. 0-60 in 3.3 seconds, stock. They've sold more model 3s this year than any other electric car combined, including the model x and model s. They have "clobbered everybody" and no one will be able to catch up. The bolt is a joke the leaf is ugly, the fiat has no space. Yet the patents are available so other car makers can use the same batteries and motors if they wanted to.

TrainNutter

Moo Kitty

"I know more about cars frames than these people!! Tesla did NOTHING wrong!!! I know EXACTLY what a good frame is, not a company with people with years of experience!!" Youtube comments

2018-10-23

Tina Fallon

"better than every car except for one thing" then obviously it's a horrible car. Yes, this makes sense. So negative for no reason. Why can't you say actually this is the best car ever built and for the consumer,​ this company is not cutting corners.