In competing in a natural bodybuilding contest, you always see this "Every athlete is polygraphed and class winners are urine tested. That is the best way to ensure that all our athletes are truly drug free."

However, sometimes you just feel that the guy on stage there can not be drug free. Realistically, is there a way you can tell if someone is drug free, or go by their word?

I do believe that nowadays than you can get much bigger than steve reeves naturally tho i agree with the point about you may not get much much leaner.

advances in diet and nutrition have helped immensely. the training is basically the same as it has always been, same principles etc. It is the drugs and diet which have changed bodybuilding from the early years to now.

I do believe that nowadays than you can get much bigger than steve reeves naturally tho i agree with the point about you may not get much much leaner.

advances in diet and nutrition have helped immensely. the training is basically the same as it has always been, same principles etc. It is the drugs and diet which have changed bodybuilding from the early years to now.

If you diet hard enough you can get leaner then Reeves naturaly. It gets hard keep your size on that strict a diet though. Reeves had a wicked build though.

True but you shouldn't limit yourself to Reeves build if you want more mass. What was he 6ft and only 18 inch arms. Not that great in my opinion plus I think he could've got bigger if he'd actually wanted to.

Please don't use a guy who wasn't even trying to get any bigger as a yardstick for the biggest you can be natural.

True but you shouldn't limit yourself to Reeves build if you want more mass. What was he 6ft and only 18 inch arms. Not that great in my opinion plus I think he could've got bigger if he'd actually wanted to.

Please don't use a guy who wasn't even trying to get any bigger as a yardstick for the biggest you can be natural.

In competing in a natural bodybuilding contest, you always see this "Every athlete is polygraphed and class winners are urine tested. That is the best way to ensure that all our athletes are truly drug free."

However, sometimes you just feel that the guy on stage there can not be drug free. Realistically, is there a way you can tell if someone is drug free, or go by their word?

I know people that have passed both types of test, from what I understand it isn't that hard.

I also know some people that use to promote "tested" shows. They usually only sent about a quarter of the urine test in. Its expensive.

This brings up the point of why. Why would someone compete in an all natural show where 100% of competitors are tested if they are on something and can beat the test? Would you be proud of yourself for winning a show where there is likely very little or no prize money (surely not enough to cover the costs of your drugs) Would you feel a sense of accomplishment for beating guys who don't use steroids? Then again, how shitty would you feel if you were on and got beat by someone clean anyways? Competing in natural shows while on the juice is like me going in to a 3rd grade spelling bee.

Come on...2/3 of your size is gonna be in your tricep (which Mentzer was huge) and Reeves' tri's were not very good...

Okay right yet in the 1980 Olympia when Arnold is past his prime his arms are twice as big as Mentzers (who also appears to be a dwarf compared to Arnie). How is that possible? Also Zanes arms appear about equal to Mentzers as I recall Jones taped them at 17 in 1979.

Okay right yet in the 1980 Olympia when Arnold is past his prime his arms are twice as big as Mentzers (who also appears to be a dwarf compared to Arnie). How is that possible? Also Zanes arms appear about equal to Mentzers as I recall Jones taped them at 17 in 1979.

His bicep, but again that only accounts for 1/3 of you arm. As for zane his muscles were very narrow due to his small bone structure...but if his arms were 17...u really think Reeves' were an inch bigger...

This brings up the point of why. Why would someone compete in an all natural show where 100% of competitors are tested if they are on something and can beat the test? Would you be proud of yourself for winning a show where there is likely very little or no prize money (surely not enough to cover the costs of your drugs) Would you feel a sense of accomplishment for beating guys who don't use steroids? Then again, how shitty would you feel if you were on and got beat by someone clean anyways? Competing in natural shows while on the juice is like me going in to a 3rd grade spelling bee.

Because they are pathetic. I took second in a natural show to this clown, two weeks later he did another tested show and failed the drug test. That fucker