Re: Lance Armstrong To Lose Tour Titles

Originally Posted by mesachick

All of the top riders/teams did exactly what Lance did. If you didn't you had zero chance of even coming close to the yellow jersey. Does it make it right? No. But neither does making Lance the scape goat and not going after all the other riders who also blood doped back then. The Tour is very strict now in doing blood/urine checks. At least it's not necessary to dope in order to win anymore.

Re: Lance Armstrong To Lose Tour Titles

Originally Posted by Bearcata

What gets me is the hypocrisy if the public who for some reason think if you are a winning athlete you are a nice guy with morals. You are just an athlete and a lot of times winners are complete bastards. What I don't understand is the rabid fervor that the US government has had going after this man. Whomever is in charge must really hate him. It seems ridiculous the lengths, time and money the government is taking to bring this man down. It seems very personal and very vengeful.

I'm finding that more and more athletes are total douchebags. Even some of the women. Hope Solo anyone? I also agree that whoever is driving this has a hate on. Cycling is probably the dirtiest sport out there and yet the only name I'm hearing is Armstrong.

Re: Lance Armstrong To Lose Tour Titles

I think it was because he was a bully and not a nice person
People continually accused him that's why they kept investigating
Had he stayed retired after 2005 instead of making a cone back he would never have been found out
It was only die to his cone back that they had to retest his old samples with the new tests and that's when he tested positive
Had he not sued people and had he not bullied and ruined some people's careers then I would probably find him forgivable as well but he did
Cycling is full cheats but that does not mean you should not be punished if found guilty

Re: Lance Armstrong To Lose Tour Titles

I was thinking the same thing Fanny. It seems like he only thought about winning and not being a good person. I would much rather a dad who was honest and came in 2000'th place then a dad who would do anything to win.

Re: Lance Armstrong To Lose Tour Titles

Originally Posted by beerbelly

I was thinking the same thing Fanny. It seems like he only thought about winning and not being a good person. I would much rather a dad who was honest and came in 2000'th place then a dad who would do anything to win.

You can still do great things without being 'Number 1'.

Yeah, but in America the attitude is the only winner is the person who comes in first and everyone else is a loser.

Re: Lance Armstrong To Lose Tour Titles

Originally Posted by JavaJo

I'm finding that more and more athletes are total douchebags. Even some of the women. Hope Solo anyone? I also agree that whoever is driving this has a hate on. Cycling is probably the dirtiest sport out there and yet the only name I'm hearing is Armstrong.

No doubt about it, the man has been & is being targeted far above & beyond anyone else. They wanted to disgrace him. It was personal.

This reminds me a lot of the Pete Rose situation in baseball. Others have cheated. Some far worse, to the point of affecting the outcome of the games, but NONE have been punished as harshly & permanently as Pete Rose. Witch hunt/target. Nothing more.

Both men were guilty of breaking the rules, plain & simple. Both have admitted it. But both were victims of a witch hunt that went to extremes to bring down a winner, while others were either given a slap on the hand or ignored.

Guilty or not (& it's now fully apparant that he is) I still feel very sorry for what was done to Armstrong.

Re: Lance Armstrong To Lose Tour Titles

Don't know HOW I happened to miss this thread until I stumbled up on it just now, but . . .

We're all on the same page: Buddy is as guilty as two left shoes and four dead flies.

Sure, they made him the subject of a witch hunt. But, IMHO, he opened the door for that through his arrogance, bullying, etc. THEY just ran through it whenever they saw even a glimmer of an opportunity to do so.

Like, his "comeback", for example.

I'm pretty much in agreement with Lucynda's entire post: He wasn't a good person, he was a bully and people kept accusing/pointing the finger at him.

And, usually, where there's smoke, there's fire.

Do I feel sorry for him?

Nope.

I might've, if I'd seen even one SCINTILLA of actual regret on his part. Remorse. Humility. Or, if he'd actually told the truth, instead of turning on the crocodile tear waterworks that he felt nobody'd see through. Beyond FINALLY saying that he doped, I pretty much wouldn't believe a word out of his mouth. Ever. Even if he were standing on an altar in a church somewhere, clutching a Bible in one hand, a rosary in the other, and spouting lines from "The Lord's Prayer" in between whatever his latest lies and/or sins of omission might be.