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redinthesky wrote:My whole point is, even if it is something you don't like, you brush it off. The waiter may not have liked it (how do we even know if he laughed or not), but if he was smart, and sure of himself, he shrugged it off him.

I'm fairly certain there's NO relationship between how smart someone is and how much they get offended by racism.

You don't make a big case out of it.

Or maybe he had neither the brains nor the confidence to say "I'm a human being, dick. Knock it off with that racist shit."

And for Paul to bring up the waiter thing by Peter, when he took pics with Peter with them both in Nazi uniforms, is the height of hypocrisy.

Yup. No argument here.

And someone mentioned Paul and Kiss making black jokes at some point? I have no idea about that but if anyone knows what that was about I am curious.

People aren't consistent. Make no mistake, I'm not defending Paul's finger-pointing. I'm just saying that blanket statements about how people have gotten too sensitive seem ill-conceived.

And while you made light of it with your post about Irish jokes and therapy, I actually DO see people whose lives were fucked by that sort of stuff.

And I'm pretty honest with my clients; when there's shit I think they need to let go of, I say "I think you need to let go of this shit." But women really ARE paid less than men. Asians really DON'T get treated with respect in the workplace.

redinthesky wrote:My whole point is, even if it is something you don't like, you brush it off. The waiter may not have liked it (how do we even know if he laughed or not), but if he was smart, and sure of himself, he shrugged it off him.

I hope to hell he spit in their food.

Again...You seem to say that you won't let something small bother you, but one guy wearing the make up created by another guy that sold the make up to 2 other guys is something that has bothered you for 12 years now. When are you going to "brush it off"?

No, it'd be wrong to spit in their food. That's Jesse Jackson stuff (and he did it unprovoked). But it could have happened. The lesson there is, always be very kind to those who are serving you food. I always try to be super-polite.

The makeup....I've said here long ago it doesn't bother me anymore, but even when it did, that's a different kind of bother, wouldn't you agree? I simply didn't like it, it wasn't something I thought about or affected me. That's like me saying, it really bothers me that they made so many bad (IMO) changes to Superman in 'Man of Steel.' I don't like it, but it doesn't really affect me personally. Like the makeup.

redinthesky wrote:My whole point is, even if it is something you don't like, you brush it off. The waiter may not have liked it (how do we even know if he laughed or not), but if he was smart, and sure of himself, he shrugged it off him.

I'm fairly certain there's NO relationship between how smart someone is and how much they get offended by racism.

You don't make a big case out of it.

Or maybe he had neither the brains nor the confidence to say "I'm a human being, dick. Knock it off with that racist shit."

And for Paul to bring up the waiter thing by Peter, when he took pics with Peter with them both in Nazi uniforms, is the height of hypocrisy.

Yup. No argument here.

And someone mentioned Paul and Kiss making black jokes at some point? I have no idea about that but if anyone knows what that was about I am curious.

People aren't consistent. Make no mistake, I'm not defending Paul's finger-pointing. I'm just saying that blanket statements about how people have gotten too sensitive seem ill-conceived.

And while you made light of it with your post about Irish jokes and therapy, I actually DO see people whose lives were fucked by that sort of stuff.

And I'm pretty honest with my clients; when there's shit I think they need to let go of, I say "I think you need to let go of this shit." But women really ARE paid less than men. Asians really DON'T get treated with respect in the workplace.

All good. We disagree on some things and agree on others. No biggie. I just wanted to make clear in general I wasn't saying cruelty is ok.

And yes, the Princess got the plans....and it took an old man to make everything a success! (Had to get that in there.)

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gshaller wrote:And I'm pretty honest with my clients; when there's shit I think they need to let go of, I say "I think you need to let go of this shit." But women really ARE paid less than men. Asians really DON'T get treated with respect in the workplace.

But that's kinda like the same thing when people try and talk tour attendance or album sales etc... and they refuse to look at all the other factors. Like when far more money is spent promoting one....and 3 or 4 videos vs 1. Or paying opening acts more to draw in a bigger crowd VS opening acts who don't contribute at all. But that's what most KISS fans do. Same reason they will try and act like 1989 is the same as when GRUNGE took over... etc.

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Sigh. Gene is a money-grubbing publicity-starved jerk. Ace and Peter are a couple of not-too-bright musicians who've used drugs and alcohol to excess. And Paul was the real mastermind behind the spandex & fringes era of Kisstory, as well as everything else too. These revelations are hardly stunning to anyone who's followed this band through the years.

Labeling Ace & Peter as "anti-Semites" is a pretty low blow, but not unexpected given the mud-slinging these guys have been engaging in since forever. A great singer, songwriter and live performer, but his weirdly needy, pretentious, dismissive, condescending attitude along with his constant passive-aggressive pleas for "recognition" and "credit" is IMO nearly as off-putting as Gene's "moneybags" act or Peter's constant complaining.

gshaller wrote:And I'm pretty honest with my clients; when there's shit I think they need to let go of, I say "I think you need to let go of this shit." But women really ARE paid less than men. Asians really DON'T get treated with respect in the workplace.

gshaller wrote:And I'm pretty honest with my clients; when there's shit I think they need to let go of, I say "I think you need to let go of this shit." But women really ARE paid less than men. Asians really DON'T get treated with respect in the workplace.

Wikipedia! LOL Maybe we should take their facts ON KISS as well. From album sales etc. ha ha And the link I posted already ripped those b.s. "medium" studies apart. And that's exactly why I used the KISS examples I used.

Stick to stuff in the DSM.

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gshaller wrote:And I'm pretty honest with my clients; when there's shit I think they need to let go of, I say "I think you need to let go of this shit." But women really ARE paid less than men. Asians really DON'T get treated with respect in the workplace.

gshaller wrote:And I'm pretty honest with my clients; when there's shit I think they need to let go of, I say "I think you need to let go of this shit." But women really ARE paid less than men. Asians really DON'T get treated with respect in the workplace.

redinthesky wrote:In the 70's, racial humor was a lot more common because people had more of a backbone.

"BACKBONE"???

I think you have just disqualified yourself for all times to be ever taken serious by any of us ever again. "Braindead" is the only thing that comes to my mind when thinking about you. (Not that I have been a big fan of yours before, but I can't believe you just wrote this...)

That's fine, but what I said is true. Back then, people didn't whine and cry and be "offended" every time an off-color joke was made. That doesn't mean they had to laugh - it just wasn't the end of the world or anything to go nuts about. Because people had more backbone then.

redinthesky wrote:In the 70's, racial humor was a lot more common because people had more of a backbone.

"BACKBONE"???

I think you have just disqualified yourself for all times to be ever taken serious by any of us ever again. "Braindead" is the only thing that comes to my mind when thinking about you. (Not that I have been a big fan of yours before, but I can't believe you just wrote this...)

That's fine, but what I said is true. Back then, people didn't whine and cry and be "offended" every time an off-color joke was made. That doesn't mean they had to laugh - it just wasn't the end of the world or anything to go nuts about. Because people had more backbone then.

Red is 100% correct on this one. People weren't so sensitive back then.

redinthesky wrote:In the 70's, racial humor was a lot more common because people had more of a backbone.

"BACKBONE"???

I think you have just disqualified yourself for all times to be ever taken serious by any of us ever again. "Braindead" is the only thing that comes to my mind when thinking about you. (Not that I have been a big fan of yours before, but I can't believe you just wrote this...)

That's fine, but what I said is true. Back then, people didn't whine and cry and be "offended" every time an off-color joke was made. That doesn't mean they had to laugh - it just wasn't the end of the world or anything to go nuts about. Because people had more backbone then.

redinthesky wrote:In the 70's, racial humor was a lot more common because people had more of a backbone.

"BACKBONE"???

I think you have just disqualified yourself for all times to be ever taken serious by any of us ever again. "Braindead" is the only thing that comes to my mind when thinking about you. (Not that I have been a big fan of yours before, but I can't believe you just wrote this...)

That's fine, but what I said is true. Back then, people didn't whine and cry and be "offended" every time an off-color joke was made. That doesn't mean they had to laugh - it just wasn't the end of the world or anything to go nuts about. Because people had more backbone then.

Red is 100% correct on this one. People weren't so sensitive back then.

redinthesky wrote:In the 70's, racial humor was a lot more common because people had more of a backbone.

"BACKBONE"???

I think you have just disqualified yourself for all times to be ever taken serious by any of us ever again. "Braindead" is the only thing that comes to my mind when thinking about you. (Not that I have been a big fan of yours before, but I can't believe you just wrote this...)

Yea racial humor is ok because it's only humor. People should have thicker skin. Wow what a crock. Bullying is a serious issue in this country and people actually believe this shit? Teens are killing themselves or killing others because of physical and VERBAL abuse. I say have the backbone to not make jokes about other people at those people's expense. It's not funny. You sound like an ass when you do it and i won't associate with people who do that shit. Paul shouldn't be the one to STFU. It's people who condone this kind of behavior.

redinthesky wrote:In the 70's, racial humor was a lot more common because people had more of a backbone.

"BACKBONE"???

I think you have just disqualified yourself for all times to be ever taken serious by any of us ever again. "Braindead" is the only thing that comes to my mind when thinking about you. (Not that I have been a big fan of yours before, but I can't believe you just wrote this...)

That's fine, but what I said is true. Back then, people didn't whine and cry and be "offended" every time an off-color joke was made. That doesn't mean they had to laugh - it just wasn't the end of the world or anything to go nuts about. Because people had more backbone then.

redinthesky wrote:In the 70's, racial humor was a lot more common because people had more of a backbone.

"BACKBONE"???

I think you have just disqualified yourself for all times to be ever taken serious by any of us ever again. "Braindead" is the only thing that comes to my mind when thinking about you. (Not that I have been a big fan of yours before, but I can't believe you just wrote this...)

That's fine, but what I said is true. Back then, people didn't whine and cry and be "offended" every time an off-color joke was made. That doesn't mean they had to laugh - it just wasn't the end of the world or anything to go nuts about. Because people had more backbone then.

Red is 100% correct on this one. People weren't so sensitive back then.

There's no freedom of speech anymore. People whine about everything. People are offended about any and everything. College campuses where the most freedom of speech should be observed is the worst of all.

People whining about bumper sticks on kids trucks. You name it. Send him home from school.

Colleges now wanting to give the kids a heads up on some subjects that might offend them so they could skip those lectures, tests etc.

Outlets like SI and others whining about the Washington Redskins. Change this name... change that one.

Make a joke about fat people.... this that.....

The "R" word. The "N" word. You name it. Correctness says you can't even mention those things.

A white eagles player uses a word...people flip out. 90% of the other players on the team use it.

Lets make the CEO of Firefox resign. Oh my, he gave $1000 contribution.

Where are the good old days when Fred Sanford could drop N bombs, honky bombs you name it. Sure miss the days of actual free speech. So must alot of people and that's why when movies like Ted do so well because they reek of incorrectness.

I too would love to hear/read all the black jokes members of KISS were making.

And does Paul call Gene anti-Semitic when he says stereotypical things for Jews? What about Bruce's wife? She used Jewish stereotypes? Does that mean she hated them?

I think the thread needs locked. Too much anger. Let's try to be nice guys. The mods are getting tired of all the fighting. I don't blame them. I have greatly resisted the urge to lash out at some very annoying posts, but lately I have just been ignoring it. It is better than getting banned.

nearlyhumanoid wrote:Sigh. Gene is a money-grubbing publicity-starved jerk. Ace and Peter are a couple of not-too-bright musicians who've used drugs and alcohol to excess. And Paul was the real mastermind behind the spandex & fringes era of Kisstory, as well as everything else too. These revelations are hardly stunning to anyone who's followed this band through the years.

Labeling Ace & Peter as "anti-Semites" is a pretty low blow, but not unexpected given the mud-slinging these guys have been engaging in since forever. A great singer, songwriter and live performer, but his weirdly needy, pretentious, dismissive, condescending attitude along with his constant passive-aggressive pleas for "recognition" and "credit" is IMO nearly as off-putting as Gene's "moneybags" act or Peter's constant complaining.

justcoz wrote:You also have to keep in mind that a 20-something Paul Stanley may not have seen anything insidious by Ace's (and to a lesser extent Peter's) Nazi fascination. He may have very well viewed it harmless racial/religious-based ribbing from bandmates that was meant to be funny. Just like we've all thought something was funny in college that we look back on and see the wrong in it. When he joined it he may have seen it as him goofing off with his bandmates and making Gene uncomfortable. He may have noticed more anti-semitism from Ace and Peter as the years went on. Dressing in Nazi garb and mimicking Hogan's Heroes at 26 is a lot different than Ace and Peter singing "I'm a Jew" during "I Want You" when they were pissed at Gene and Paul or calling them money grubbing Jews when everyone's in their 50s. You start to see it as more indicative of actual hate.

For the record, I think it's completely justified for people to have no problem that Paul currently feels the way he does about this topic.

Nor do I have a problem with people who think he's being inconsistent and want to call it out.

The reason I jumped in was because people shouldn't have to defend the fact that they posted the latter opinion. Disagreeing about opinions is completely cool, and one of the reasons I come here. But having to defend airing certain opinions is something I'll never understand, especially when that's one of the main reasons this place is here.