WI241TH:The vote was 56-43 to move ahead on the measure, short of the 60 votes necessary to proceed.

Yeah, that makes sense

The way the media has just accepted the filibuster as standard politics is revolting. Not that long ago using it to block popular legislation would have resulted in taking a hit in the polls, now it's business as usual. And it's largely due to the media not calling them on it for fear of looking biased.

dookdookdook:Republicans called the bill a political stunt aimed at helping vulnerable Democratic incumbents in the elections.

Possibly, but you dumbshiats still played right into it, because you just can't help yourselves.

How is this a stunt? This isn't something frivolous. This matters to consituents and people have been organizing around it. Is "scoring political points" with constituents by actually listening to them and doing what they ask a stunt now?

JoieD'Zen:F*ck them all. PoliticiansBusinesses have no business in women's healthcare and reproductive choices. The men should STFU unless their own wife is involved.

Let's not forget what this is about - your boss preventing your doctor from making sound medical decisions, because of the boss' beliefs.

Politicians tried to make this clear in the ACA (the mandate), and tried to play fair by exempting religious nonprofits. I think it's safe to say that next time, they won't carve anything out for them.

// give them an inch, they take a 7' cross// and then they borrow your hammer and NEVER return it...

Birth control should be available over the counter without prescription.. and the Republicans had that in their latest bill, and it was defeated.

FYI, More and more drugs are being available over the counter and not covered under insurance anymore...

Like the mantra of 'free' preventative care.. free is a load of crap, you still have to pay co-pays out the wazoo.

So would a woman prefer to pay a 30 copay for a doctors visit and then a 10-20 copay for her birth control pills or just go to CVS and pay $25-$30 for a months supply. I think the answer is obvious. Over the counter is cheaper for everyone involved.

Xythero:dookdookdook: Republicans called the bill a political stunt aimed at helping vulnerable Democratic incumbents in the elections.

Possibly, but you dumbshiats still played right into it, because you just can't help yourselves.

How is this a stunt? This isn't something frivolous. This matters to consituents and people have been organizing around it. Is "scoring political points" with constituents by actually listening to them and doing what they ask a stunt now?

What do you expect them to say? "We think women are little better than cattle"? This is the best thing they can say to divert attention away from the fact that they're assholes, they know their base will believe them, no matter how big the lie.

Birth control should be available over the counter without prescription.. and the Republicans had that in their latest bill, and it was defeated.

FYI, More and more drugs are being available over the counter and not covered under insurance anymore...

Like the mantra of 'free' preventative care.. free is a load of crap, you still have to pay co-pays out the wazoo.

So would a woman prefer to pay a 30 copay for a doctors visit and then a 10-20 copay for her birth control pills or just go to CVS and pay $25-$30 for a months supply. I think the answer is obvious. Over the counter is cheaper for everyone involved.

Birth control should be available over the counter without prescription.. and the Republicans had that in their latest bill, and it was defeated.

FYI, More and more drugs are being available over the counter and not covered under insurance anymore...

Like the mantra of 'free' preventative care.. free is a load of crap, you still have to pay co-pays out the wazoo.

So would a woman prefer to pay a 30 copay for a doctors visit and then a 10-20 copay for her birth control pills or just go to CVS and pay $25-$30 for a months supply. I think the answer is obvious. Over the counter is cheaper for everyone involved.

What's the over-the-counter cost of an IUD?

Different issue which is not at stake here... and to be honest, an IUD is cost ineffective in the long run and due to all the problems with them are getting more and more expensive as time goes on due to law suits. It also doesn't protect from other diseases that are costly to cure/maintain.

If we were serious about disease and birth control in this country, condoms would be pretty much the only thing the CDC should allow.

Birth control should be available over the counter without prescription.. and the Republicans had that in their latest bill, and it was defeated.

FYI, More and more drugs are being available over the counter and not covered under insurance anymore...

Like the mantra of 'free' preventative care.. free is a load of crap, you still have to pay co-pays out the wazoo.

So would a woman prefer to pay a 30 copay for a doctors visit and then a 10-20 copay for her birth control pills or just go to CVS and pay $25-$30 for a months supply. I think the answer is obvious. Over the counter is cheaper for everyone involved.

What's the over-the-counter cost of an IUD?

And will the OTC IUD provide detailed instructions on inserting it? Surely it's as simple as putting in a tampon!

dwrash:Birth control should be available over the counter without prescription

really? so women, who have no idea what their needs are medically, should just randomly pick some form of birth control pill that will do God knows what to their physical and mental health? Birth control pills are not one size fits all.

Birth control should be available over the counter without prescription.. and the Republicans had that in their latest bill, and it was defeated.

FYI, More and more drugs are being available over the counter and not covered under insurance anymore...

Like the mantra of 'free' preventative care.. free is a load of crap, you still have to pay co-pays out the wazoo.

So would a woman prefer to pay a 30 copay for a doctors visit and then a 10-20 copay for her birth control pills or just go to CVS and pay $25-$30 for a months supply. I think the answer is obvious. Over the counter is cheaper for everyone involved.

Correct. It isn't free because those women are paying for it through their insurance policies either individually or by virtue of it being part of a compensation package through their employer. The real argument should be are they required to pay more because Jesus.

The mega-corporations have been running things for years. We just don't show ourselves since people wouldn't understand...so we let them think they still have a voice"William Edgars, Babylon 5 - The Exercise of Vital Powers

Birth control should be available over the counter without prescription.. and the Republicans had that in their latest bill, and it was defeated.

FYI, More and more drugs are being available over the counter and not covered under insurance anymore...

Like the mantra of 'free' preventative care.. free is a load of crap, you still have to pay co-pays out the wazoo.

So would a woman prefer to pay a 30 copay for a doctors visit and then a 10-20 copay for her birth control pills or just go to CVS and pay $25-$30 for a months supply. I think the answer is obvious. Over the counter is cheaper for everyone involved.

Please link me to the bill that republicans proposed making birth control available over the counter that was defeated, I would like to read it.

dwrash:Karac: dwrash: Such BS from the left... NOTHING is free.. NOTHING.

Birth control should be available over the counter without prescription.. and the Republicans had that in their latest bill, and it was defeated.

FYI, More and more drugs are being available over the counter and not covered under insurance anymore...

Like the mantra of 'free' preventative care.. free is a load of crap, you still have to pay co-pays out the wazoo.

So would a woman prefer to pay a 30 copay for a doctors visit and then a 10-20 copay for her birth control pills or just go to CVS and pay $25-$30 for a months supply. I think the answer is obvious. Over the counter is cheaper for everyone involved.

What's the over-the-counter cost of an IUD?

Different issue which is not at stake here... and to be honest, an IUD is cost ineffective in the long run and due to all the problems with them are getting more and more expensive as time goes on due to law suits. It also doesn't protect from other diseases that are costly to cure/maintain.

If we were serious about disease and birth control in this country, condoms would be pretty much the only thing the CDC should allow.

How is the contraception that Hobby Lobby specifically objected to a different issue which is not at stake in a conversation about the contraception that Hobby Lobby objected to?

ManateeGag:dwrash: Birth control should be available over the counter without prescription

really? so women, who have no idea what their needs are medically, should just randomly pick some form of birth control pill that will do God knows what to their physical and mental health? Birth control pills are not one size fits all.

Karac: What's the over-the-counter cost of an IUD?

yeah, just sit up on the counter and the pharmacist will put it in for you. or you can get a hand mirror and do it yourself.

This isn't my idea.. its the idea of the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists.. you know, the doctors that prescribe them?

dwrash:ManateeGag: dwrash: Birth control should be available over the counter without prescription

really? so women, who have no idea what their needs are medically, should just randomly pick some form of birth control pill that will do God knows what to their physical and mental health? Birth control pills are not one size fits all.

Karac: What's the over-the-counter cost of an IUD?

yeah, just sit up on the counter and the pharmacist will put it in for you. or you can get a hand mirror and do it yourself.

This isn't my idea.. its the idea of the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists.. you know, the doctors that prescribe them?

dwrash:ManateeGag: dwrash: Birth control should be available over the counter without prescription

really? so women, who have no idea what their needs are medically, should just randomly pick some form of birth control pill that will do God knows what to their physical and mental health? Birth control pills are not one size fits all.

Karac: What's the over-the-counter cost of an IUD?

yeah, just sit up on the counter and the pharmacist will put it in for you. or you can get a hand mirror and do it yourself.

This isn't my idea.. its the idea of the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists.. you know, the doctors that prescribe them?

fiddlehead:dwrash: ManateeGag: dwrash: Birth control should be available over the counter without prescription

really? so women, who have no idea what their needs are medically, should just randomly pick some form of birth control pill that will do God knows what to their physical and mental health? Birth control pills are not one size fits all.

Karac: What's the over-the-counter cost of an IUD?

yeah, just sit up on the counter and the pharmacist will put it in for you. or you can get a hand mirror and do it yourself.

This isn't my idea.. its the idea of the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists.. you know, the doctors that prescribe them?

You are aware that oral contraceptives and IUDs are two completely separate things, right?

Absolutely, and my response was to the first section of the quoted post.. and addressed her assertion that you should have to go to a doctor to get a prescription for the pill... the doctors disagree with his/her opinion.

The Homer Tax:dwrash: Such BS from the left... NOTHING is free.. NOTHING.

Birth control should be available over the counter without prescription.. and the Republicans had that in their latest bill, and it was defeated.

FYI, More and more drugs are being available over the counter and not covered under insurance anymore...

Like the mantra of 'free' preventative care.. free is a load of crap, you still have to pay co-pays out the wazoo.

So would a woman prefer to pay a 30 copay for a doctors visit and then a 10-20 copay for her birth control pills or just go to CVS and pay $25-$30 for a months supply. I think the answer is obvious. Over the counter is cheaper for everyone involved.

Please link me to the bill that republicans proposed making birth control available over the counter that was defeated, I would like to read it.

dwrash:This isn't my idea.. its the idea of the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists.. you know, the doctors that prescribe them?

The point ManateeGag was making is that there are many kinds of birth control which might be chosen for different reasons. For example, if you have seizures, many anti-convulsants make hormonal birth control ineffective. Even without that, many people have negative reactions to hormonal birth control.

As a general rule, I think there's a strong argument to making it OTC, but that doesn't solve the "paying for birth control" problem. It just covers the baseline case. We still need to address the edge cases.

I'm againt OTC birth control pills due to my own experiences, but keep trying that argument. I don't think you guys have any idea how invasive it is to get that prescription. Or how expensive it is out of pocket. But keep insisting on it not being covered by insurance, won't backfire on you at all.