but THROUGH the Word (which is correctly translated IT in the Concordant Bible). The WORD/LOGOS has always been an IT starting in the Nile Valley and through Greece and culminating in Philo, who later called the IT a person. John then followed Philo and called the IT a him. Thus, we have creation through the Word but FROM the HEAD GOD. The Word/Logos manifested in the earthly realm in the Son of Man, Son of God, and god or God: Jesus.

Did anyone read where some scholors have had a chance to look at this 'evidence' and have passed it off as bunk? The name on the ossuary that supposedly said 'Mary Magdelen' was written in 2 different kinds of scripts. The bones were put in at different times. According to these guys it actually the bones of Mary and Martha.

The Bible teaches that only one God works His creation in the three Persons of Father/Creator, Son/Savior, and Spirit/Comforter. The Trinity shows God has personal relationships and expresses love within His own Being.

John 3:13 also applies to Elijah. If I make incorrect assumptions, PLEASE point them out to me. I will admit that I am biased with a THEORY that probably everyone on Christianet accepts: man (humankind) is a dual being insofar as he has a visible part and an invisible part. Most religions, including Christianity, and philosophies are based on this THEORY. Some scientists and non-scientists accept the theory that man is only physical.

People who accept duality must be able to prove it (PROVE ALL THINGS 1 Thess. 5:21). Likewise, people who accept the materialist-behaviorist-scientific theory must be able to prove that. Therefore, if I make incorrect assumptions PLEASE force me to prove them. Again, you are guessing on Enoch and Elijah. We can discuss physics and quantum mechanics to see what physical bodies are made of and to determine if they can

Just a note that there is a differences between ascended and taken up. Jesus Christ ascended up to Heaven by His own power, others were taken up by Jesus or His servants (angels). And in John 3:13, that no man included the man Jesus had ascended yet. This was probably a shot at those who might claim heavenly insight as if having been there and returned, when none had.

Sorry if there is a misunderstanding about "the body of Christ!"An assumption is NOT guessing! If the scripture tells us that Enoch did not see death but was rather removed from the earth scene, how was he removed? We get details about Elijah being removed by Chariots on fire! And did he merely just vanish into NOWHERE? If God took him, it only makes sense he went up to Heaven! Why would God take him and place him in Hades? This would make no sense!

When scripture does not give full details- God leaves the rest to common sense! Even your views are assumptions- unless you're a self professed prophet claiming to have no flaws!I have never said I'm 100% right, but given the biblical evidence, one must connect the scriptures in a way that makes sense while all along not contradicting the CLEAR plan of God given to us in his word!God bless!

I have no problem with the Book of Enoch or any of the other extra-biblical books. My favorite one is the Gospel of Thomas because it speaks of God being WITHIN us and we must KNOW (not merely believe in) God! You will certainly find some on here who oppose these books. Nonetheless, you are making ASSUMPTIONS about Enoch. You are also GUESSING and adding words that are not in Heb. 11:5-6!

YOU WROTE: The Bible tells us that Enoch did not see death-rather he was raptured up to Heaven! HEBREWS 11:5&6 "By Faith Enoch was taken from this life, so that he did not experience Death."

There is nothing in those scriptures that say Enoch was raptured up to HEAVEN!!! That is your assumption and Scripture CLEARLY disproves that! John 3:13 says NO ONE or MAN has gone up to heaven except the ONE who came down

from there, the Son of Man [who is in heaven]. Therefore, how can you say that Enoch is in heaven?

YOU WROTE: By the way this also contradicts your claim about Christ being seen in the Spirit form.

When I did I say this? I have always maintained that there are scriptures that say Jesus rose bodily from so-called death. I have also said that Paul says a spiritual body will be resurrected and not a physical one.

Paul and Jesus disagree!!! This is not surprising, because anyone who has STUDIED the NT will see that Paul has changed Jesus* SIMPLE teachings! Now, I have REPEATEDLY asked you that since God is Spirit (John 4:24), how can spirit eat fish like Jesus did after the resurrection or God eating bread like IT did with Abraham. You have yet to answer any of these questions!!!

If you don*t know something, just say so; however, stop GUESSING! You are guessing about bodies being raptured and passing from the physical plane into the spiritual plane. Scripture says the visible (body) comes from the invisible (spirit, etc). Heb. 11:3, Rom. 1:20, 2 Cor. 4:18-5:1. However, Scripture does not tell us how this happens. To find this out, YOU MUST LOOK TO SCIENCE!!!

Science explains this clearly, just like how it explains the make up or composition of Spirit (John 4:24). Once you comprehend what Spirit is comprised of, you will understand how the visible comes from the invisible. Put otherwise, you will understand how the WORD was made flesh and how the world was spoken into being, like you were at your birth!!!

There was a great earthquake. When He died, the earth that received Him, shook for fear, now that He arose, the earth that resigned Him, leaped for joy in His exaltation. It was the signal of Christ's victory. Those who are sanctified, and thereby raised to a spiritual life, while it is in the doing find an earthquake in their own bosoms, as Paul, who trembled and was astonished.

You cannot analyze scripture with just your mind. In fact it's mostly spiritual. But if you were never Born again, you can read scripture and never get to the truth. The carnal mind cannot understand spiritual things.

1/AMOne can make a strong assumption that the book of Enoch has to be God inspired! Why? The Bible tells us that Enoch did not see death-rather he was raptured up to Heaven! HEBREWS 11:5&6 "By Faith Enoch was taken from this life, so that he did not experience Death."By the way this also contradicts your claim about Christ being seen in the Spirit form. Enoch was raptured, and by no means does that mean he had to leave his body behind! Absolutely not- FOR HE DID NOT SEE DEATH!

One can only assume that when God raptures a human body, God with his mighty power supernaturally turns the body from corruptable into incorruptable! This process mostly likely takes place when the body is crossing from this dimension to the other (The spiritual realm).When the body is crossing the spiritual "plane". Of course I'm not saying I'm 100% right, but considering the biblical evidence- Strong possiblity!

I enjoy our discussions. You are one of the few on here who will ANALYZE scriptures by using your God-given MIND. However, you are guessing on the Nephilim. Also, some on here do not accept the Book of Enoch. Is that book God-Inspired? It is nice to see that someone else recognizes that the Bible contains two different THEORIES on what part of us will be *resurrected.* Nonetheless, once you can answer the question of WHAT AM I (invisible and invisible parts), you will

CLEARLY know what part of us will be *resurrected.* The Bible says part of us PRE-EXISTED before birth and Paul CLEARLY tells us this part is ETERNAL (which could mean for the age or IMMORTAL depending on the context). I see in the Bible that this immortal part of us never experiences so-called death and it is that part of us that will be *resurrected.* Since we had no bodies before we were born, why would we need a body after we go back to where we came from?

1/AM1 Peter 3:18-22 "...God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built, In it ONLY a few people, EIGHT in all, were saved.."

If the Apostles had close one on one verbal communication with Christ, Don't you think Christ would have told them what you claim? That the Nephilim survived? (verse 19) Christ preached to the spirits in prison (The Nephilim were included).

2/AMThis makes it clear that since the Nephilim were half angelic, some most likely escaped into the spiritual realm during the flood. But the book of Enoch tells us that these surviving Nephilim were destroyed after!

The Angels of God (O.T.), The Nephilim (O.T.) and Christ resurrection (N.T.) paint a clear picture that God allows certain supernatural passing from the Spiritual realm into the physical!

3/AMThis still does NOT mean that Christ was seen in the spirit form by the Apostles!The N.T. tells us that Christs' body DID NOT see decay!

How can you believe that God was going to Allow the body of his only begotten son to see decay? This makes no sense!!! He raptured Enoch, sent a UFO to take Elijah up to heaven and you don't think that he would STOP the body of Christ from seeing decay?

4/AMThe bible does make it clear that Flesh cannot inherit the Heavenly Kingdom. I understand this; but, God has allowed certain things to happen to fulfill his plan- he is in control!

God who is a spirit (N.T.) formed that which is material, physical world! So this, in no way shape or form, contradicts the Bible or who or what God is!!!Some things that happen are beyond our understanding! Lean not on your own understanding, but on God!!

NO! Abraham did not eat bread with only angels!!! He ate bread with GOD ALMIGHTY too (God is Spirit, John 4:24)!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Again, you are not addressing Paul*s scriptures of a SPIRITUAL resurrection! How do you reconcile them with your position? Regarding the NEPHILIM who were not on Noah*s boat but AMAZINGLY survived the flood, note that what you said about them proved a spiritual resurrection.

YOU WROTE: This makes it CLEAR that thousands of years prior to Christs' resurrection, Angels of God were crossing over from the Spirit realm and into the physical realm- in FLESH form (body)! This is also the case with the "Nephilim" spoken of during the time of Enoch! Half Angelic beings who took human women as wifes and bore children!

For spiritual beings to MANIFEST in the earthly realm, they must *put on a body.* When these spiritual beings are ready to head back into the spiritual realm, they *take off their individual bodies.* Scripture CLEARLY tells us that *WE* pre-existed with God in the spiritual realm BEFORE we were born into the earthly realm into a body! If *WE* pre-existed in the spiritual realm WITHOUT a body, why would we need one later on in the spiritual realm?

This does not make any sense! This is why I distinguish between the three Jesus: biblical, historical and spiritual. I do not have these kinds of problems with the spiritual Jesus. Nonetheless, I recognize that the Bible is a belief system for some people, and you know how some people are with their beliefs. Some people on this site have flatly stated that there is NOTHING anyone can say that will cause them to question their beliefs! AMAZING!

Is there any word or symbol any where that can be used to convey THE ESSENCE of all that there IS? Do you realize that words are forms and substances, and that which simply IS is beyond form and substance?

The Bible CLEARLY tells us that a part of us pre-existed and Paul tells us that part is *eternal.* That INVISIBLE part of us is denoted *I,* as in no matter what happens to *me,* *I* SHALL ALWAYS BE AN EVERLASTING SPARK, a glow in the CREATOR*S COUNSCIOUNESS!!!! This line is from one of my favorite poems written by an artists and poet. However, this concept is right in the Bible. I will be happy to point it out!!!!!

I dont believe that this was Jesus's tomb. BUT if this is the work of the Anti-Christ I have one question: isn't the anti-christ suppose to be somebody who is going to trick people into believeing he is the Christ?

Jesus made breakfast, He ate food ( a spirit cannot do that). Jesus allowed Thomas' hands into His side and hands. John 20:27-29 I know He lives. His bones and DNA were not 'left behind'. The linen cloths were folded. Two angels, one at the head, and one at the feet were sitting where the body of Jesus had lain.

There was Jesus standing, "Woman, why are you weeping? Whom are you seeking?"

"Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."

Anna Nicole's body was guarded night/day for 21 days. They buried her. Her physical body did not resurrect. The fight will go on for her body, (money) but her bones and DNA are left behind. Two angels were not guarding her tomb. Her clothes were not folded. She did not visit with her loved ones and fix breakfast.

2/AMYour comment "Also, Abraham asked Sarah to bake bread when God visited them and both Abraham and God (Spirit) AMAZINGLY ate bread!"This makes it CLEAR that thousands of years prior to Christs' resurrection, Angels of God were crossing over from the Spirit realm and into the physical realm- in FLESH form (body)!This is also the case with the "Nephilim" spoken of during the time of Enoch! Half Angelic beings who took human women as wifes and bore children!

3/AMMy point is! Jesus Christ came back to LIFE, which means physical-Flesh BODY, not SPIRIT!ACTS 1:3 "After his suffering, he showed himself to these men and gave many convincing PROOFS that he was ALIVE!"ALIVE- means exactly that-ALIVE in physical body, not SPIRIT!

God who is a Spirit made that which is Physical-material-world! That Christ left up to Heaven in his Physical BODY Form does not contradict who and what God is!

1/AMI understand that we all should make a choice, but how far can a person take scripture OUT OF CONTEXT?JOHN 20:24-31 Jesus speaking to the Apostles said to Thomas "Put your finger here; see my hands, Reach out your hand and put it into my side.

If Christ were in the Spirit Form, How can the Apostle put a finger and hand on the Body of Christ? A spirit form (ghostly entity) is rather invisible and can't be touched physically!

Ya know, this is what Satan wants, for all to agrue over Jesus and how it was in his time. We don't know it all, just what we read in God's word. We are all going to get different meanings from the bible. Any more on these blogs all I read is, you said this, and that, you're wrong, it says this and blah, blah, blah. As someone once said, "Can't we just get along"? If we can't agree over the simple things down here, what makes us think we can agree in heaven?

YOU WROTE: You are leaving out IMPORTANT scripture about the Resurrected body of Christ that make it CLEAR he was in the BODY not SPIRIT form!

No, I did not leave them out! I CLEARLY stated that there are scriptures that speak of a physical resurrection! Everyone who reads the Bible must make A CHOICE between a physical or a spiritual resurrection.

Otherwise, how do you reconcile 1 Cor. 15:42-50 WITH Acts 1:9-11, Luke 24:37, John 20:24-27, 1 John 3:2 and especially with 1 Thess. 3:13; 4:13-18? More importantly, since God is Spirit (John 4:24) and Jesus is the HEAD GOD to some people, how can a spiritual being eat fish? Also, Abraham asked Sarah to bake bread when God visited them and both Abraham and God (Spirit) AMAZINGLY ate bread!

I am not making these things up! They are in the Bible. All of us have to make a choice on these scriptures. I have made my choice. Others need to make their choice. As I told you before, this spiritual or physical resurrection issue is similar to the one involving the misfit Satan. People have to decide if Satan was created by God or he/she/it was transformed into Satan. Finally, if you would like, we can

examine IN SCRIPTURE what a person is made of to determine what part of that person can experience so-called DEATH. Once we examine the visible part (body) and the invisible part (spirit, soul, mind, consciousness, self, etc) of a person, we will know for sure what is DEATH and what can be resurrected from the so-called dead. Some people read scriptures and NEVER question them! I am not one of those people!

You cannot refute those scriptures, can you? NO!!! Which one of us is using Scripture? Furthermore, I do not plagiarize, unlike some on here! I have found site where people on here COPY the author*s words verbatim!!! I have not embarrassed them, because that is not who I am! PLEASE refute Paul*s words!

Iami, I noticed that it took 8 posts for you to say that you disagree with Biblical Truth.You have also stated that we have the chance to becomes gods.I could go on but anyone who reads, studies or knows a little about the Bible will see the errors in your run on post that were copied out of someone else's book.

Who cares what they found? I sure don't. Jesus isn't there anymore, so why get so exicited about something that means nothing? I looked up tomb of Jesus and it is a movie that was produced by the same man that done Titanic, the movie is about like the D'vinci code. They say he was married and had a child named Judah, but Judah is the son of Jacob. They are looking for Jesus' body right now. Good luck I say. And plus they say that the disciples stoled Jesus' body and faked his resurrection???

I believe that people ought to leave Jesus alone. Everybody seems to be trying to reason Him out of existence. Trying to make Him out as not real. Unless Jesus saves you, you really just do not know. My spirit will bare witness as to who I am. Jesus said it. So what in the world is all of this about? A world full of lunatics,is what this is all about.

If you go to Wikipedia and look up "Talpiot tomb", you will find out that these ossuaries were discovered nearly 30 years ago, and that REAL archaeologists who have actually examined them see NO connection between them and the NT figures of the same name.

One of the producers of this show is named Simcha Jacobowici. Guess what church he goes to! Do you think he has an agenda?

1/AMYou are leaving out IMPORTANT scripture about the Resurrected body of Christ that make it CLEAR he was in the BODY not SPIRIT form!JOHN 20:24-31 Jesus speaking to the Apostles said to Thomas "Put your finger here; see my hands, Reach out your hand and put it into my side. STOP DOUBTING and BELIEVE!"ACTS 1:3 "After his suffering, he showed himself to these men and gave many convicing PROOFS that he was ALIVE!"ALIVE makes it clear he was in the BODY not SPIRIT form!

2/AM1 Corinthians 15:20-34 "But Christ has indeed been RAISED from the DEAD, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep."

Christ came back to LIFE in the BODY not SPIRIT!The Apostles gave their LIVES for their belief in Christ because they SAW his resurrected BODY! And this made it CLEAR to them that he was the TRUE MESSIAH Son of God!

My understanding of the ossuaries is that they have been around for a while but reputable archeologists claimed they were of the times but not Christ's due to a number of factors. The so-called "discovery" was of something already studied and classified which a movie producer has now chosen to re-classify! (Since when did movie producers become reputable archeologists?)

Thanks for your response to NOT GOD on the blogger name I AM I. I could not access the computer I used to send a 13 part post to another person who asked a similar question. However, I have another post on the issue that I will send to NOT GOD shortly.

P.S.

As I told Lisa today, I followed the discussion on the Unforgiven Sin blog. You guys agree more than you think. You are absolutely correct that there is no dichotomy between body and spirit

regarding *sin* (missing the mark). I especially loved your conclusion that the *devil* didn*t make me do it. In the near future I hope to post a blog on what you, her and Mrs. Morgan think you were disagreeing on. God bless or Peace Profound.

YOU WROTE: Your only Spiritual Jesus resurrection is Unscriptural and false.

This is not from me! Did I not cite Scripture where Paul speaks of a SPIRITUAL BODY in the resurrection? Do you disagree with Paul and Scripture? Are you saying that Paul*s teachings are FALSE? Did you read 1 Cor. 15:44-50? Again, how can an invisible Spirit (John 4:24) have flesh and bones and eat fish? Yes, there are scriptures that speak of a physical resurrection! We have to choose one or the other!

YOU WROTE: If His resurrection was only spiritual then a body of bones could be found.

Danie provided an article on the site last year on a debate between two Professors of Theology. One of the Professors used one of the MANY arguments used about the body of Jesus. He mentioned that the body of Jesus could have been thrown in a common grave after the crucifixion, which was a common practice at the time. There are other arguments both on the body and the crucifixion!

Again, this is why I keep it simple and follow the spiritual teachings of THE CHRIST! These teachings are timeless and they could have been said by any of God*s many messengers of Light who enter the earthly realm to show us *THE WAY* home to God.

YOU WROTE: Why did Jesus say if you have seen me you have seen the Father?

You already know the OBVIOUS answer to this! Nonetheless, let me give you what you are looking for.

This is exactly what Jesus* ENTIRE teachings are about and they are very consistent on this central point with the teachings of God*s other messengers of Light! This is the IDEAL (at-one-ment with GOD) that we all must attain. This is what I and others call manifesting THE CHRIST ON EARTH! Here is how it is stated in the OT: *You are gods (or Gods), all of you sons of the Most High (GOD). Psa. 82:6. Jesus said the same thing at John 10:34 (*Ye are gods*).