good. let red states kick out the "illegals" and watch their economies take a massive hit like they already are in alabama and georgia. the law of unintended consequences - it's more common than you'd think, especially when your laws are written by racist morons.

I'm not going to complain. I used to advocate that all the farking racists should move to their own farking state.They pretty much did this with Colorado, Arizona, and Utah.Now they want to act like racist asshats in thier own sand boxes.Meh.We'll take the Mexican up here in Vermont.Lord knows, we can't get our own farking kids to pull the tit and shovel the shait.

FlashHarry:good. let red states kick out the "illegals" and watch their economies take a massive hit like they already are in alabama and georgia. the law of unintended consequences - it's more common than you'd think, especially when your laws are written by racist morons.

The law was written by the prison industry, who are not necessarily "racist morons". Do you think that private prisons give two shiats what color the inmates are? They get paid the same either way.

The laws are racist, and are supported by a bunch of racist asshats (which is why you see these laws in places with a history of racial conflict, such as Georgia and Alabama). But that doesn't mean that the people who wrote the law in order to play off of racial prejudices are necessarily racist themselves, and they certainly aren't morons.

These laws give racist people an outlet; they can't exactly feel superior to blacks when the President is a eloquent, well-spoken Constitutional law professor, but dammit, they're better than a bunch of damn beaners.

FTA: Latinos who are here legally to be asked about their immigration status.

For the past 20 years, I've been asked about my immigration status (Form I-9) on a job application or when hired, and *shock* I didn't run to the ACLU.. If you're in the US legally and actually want a job...

/I wash my own dishes//Am a proud parent who never hired a babysitter (relatives only)

FlashHarry:good. let red states kick out the "illegals" and watch their economies take a massive hit like they already are in alabama and georgia. the law of unintended consequences - it's more common than you'd think, especially when your laws are written by racist morons.

Exactly. I keep telling these people that they are racist morons, and explain exactly why, but none of them ever seem to listen. Those idiots.

The real problem is that Americans are, as a people, sedentary. Don't get me wrong, I'm American, and I love America. But as a culture, we've never been explorers. We've always been settlers. And once settled, we will hold on to our little plot of land no matter how ridiculously bad conditions get.

Oh, the five year flood destroyed my house, crops, and drown my kids? I will rebuild! Oh, the local economy collapsed, my house is worth nothing, and I have no job prospects whatsoever? I will remain in Detroit! Oh, I'm ninety years old, can't see, can't drive, can barely feed myself? I refuse assisted living! I will die in my home!

We've just got a settler's mindset which leaves us scratching our heads at the average Mexican who can uproot, travel a thousand miles in the back of semi trailer, and be up on a roof as soon as the truck stops. The Mexican has become a migratory animal, which simply does not compute. Us trying to solve the immigration problem is like a blind guy trying to tie his Velcro shoes. We don't even comprehend the problem, so any solution we come up with is a shot in the dark at best.

Personally, I've learned to migrate. I've adapted. When the roofers all left Mexico to profit in the US, I took my roofing company to Mexico. There was no competition. We made out like bandits. And now the Mexicans are coming back to Mexico, so I've made plans to return North. It's not complex, it's just difficult.

FlashHarry:good. let red states kick out the "illegals" and watch their economies take a massive hit like they already are in alabama and georgia. the law of unintended consequences - it's more common than you'd think, especially when your laws are written by racist morons.

Honestly, I'm more concerned about scaring illegals from even talking to law enforcement, which is already a problem as it is.

A few miles south of where I lived there was a criminal who liked to rob and rape illegal immigrants. Law enforcement didn't do much or know much about it because most of the victims never reported the crime due to fears of deportation. Finally made the papers and got on the cops radar after the guy assaulted a few citizens.

Turns out rapists and Arizona cops aren't the best at telling someones legal status just by looking at them.

DrewCurtisJr:FlashHarry: good. let red states kick out the "illegals" and watch their economies take a massive hit like they already are in alabama and georgia.

What massive hit?

Dude, in Georgia, we were shipping in SEX OFFENDERS to pick the crops, but they couldn't hold up to it. Small farmers took a beating this past season, while the large-scale pure commercial operations did just fine.

Unemployment is getting better because the economy in general is improving. It takes a reeeeeeeal stretch of the imagination for some people to think this has anything to do with this law.

FlashHarry:good. let red states kick out the "illegals" and watch their economies take a massive hit like they already are in alabama and georgia. the law of unintended consequences - it's more common than you'd think, especially when your laws are written by racist morons.

FlashHarry:good. let red states kick out the "illegals" and watch their economies take a massive hit like they already are in alabama and georgia. the law of unintended consequences - it's more common than you'd think, especially when your laws are written by racist morons.

spentmiles:The real problem is that Americans are, as a people, sedentary. Don't get me wrong, I'm American, and I love America. But as a culture, we've never been explorers. We've always been settlers. And once settled, we will hold on to our little plot of land no matter how ridiculously bad conditions get.

ox45tallboy:FlashHarry: good. let red states kick out the "illegals" and watch their economies take a massive hit like they already are in alabama and georgia. the law of unintended consequences - it's more common than you'd think, especially when your laws are written by racist morons.

The law was written by the prison industry, who are not necessarily "racist morons". Do you think that private prisons give two shiats what color the inmates are? They get paid the same either way.

The laws are racist, and are supported by a bunch of racist asshats (which is why you see these laws in places with a history of racial conflict, such as Georgia and Alabama). But that doesn't mean that the people who wrote the law in order to play off of racial prejudices are necessarily racist themselves, and they certainly aren't morons.

These laws give racist people an outlet; they can't exactly feel superior to blacks when the President is a eloquent, well-spoken Constitutional law professor, but dammit, they're better than a bunch of damn beaners.

Satanic_Hamster:Turns out rapists and Arizona cops aren't the best at telling someones legal status just by looking at them.

That's the real problem here. NO ONE CARES whether or not the brown people are here legally, they just care that brown people are here. Being able to haul in and harass any brown person that doesn't have "proof of citizenship" on his person (driver's license =! proof of citizenship) isn't meant to deter illegal immigration, it's meant to make money for private jails and prisons (the reason it was written) and to deter ANY brown person from hanging around the state (the reason it was passed and is supported).

Interesting how I have read in the past that many posters here think the U.S. should adopt more social/nationwide programs similar to those in Europe and other countries.

Funny thing, I bet if you were driving around Europe/Canada/Mexico/Japan/S. Korea/etc. and was pulled over by the police you would be required to show your passport/identification to prove you are in the country legally. Yet, if that same type of policy is suggested here....fingers point, flags raise, and cries of racism become the battle cry.

Would it be racist of the police in Japan to pull a white, American over for speeding/running a red light/ or stopped for committing a crime? Try claiming racism in that case and wait for the chorus of laughs at your ignorance.

RussianPooper:spentmiles: The real problem is that Americans are, as a people, sedentary. Don't get me wrong, I'm American, and I love America. But as a culture, we've never been explorers. We've always been settlers. And once settled, we will hold on to our little plot of land no matter how ridiculously bad conditions get.

RibbyK:FTA: Latinos who are here legally to be asked about their immigration status.

For the past 20 years, I've been asked about my immigration status (Form I-9) on a job application or when hired, and *shock* I didn't run to the ACLU.. If you're in the US legally and actually want a job...

/I wash my own dishes//Am a proud parent who never hired a babysitter (relatives only)

Have you ever been asked about your immigration status at a traffic stop?

Because Arizona's law allows cops to do that. And if you can't prove you're in this country legally right then and there, they'll cuff you and put you in the precinct holding cell until they finish doing enough of a background check on you to determine whether or not you're an illegal immigrant.

RibbyK:FlashHarry: good. let red states kick out the "illegals" and watch their economies take a massive hit like they already are in alabama and georgia. the law of unintended consequences - it's more common than you'd think, especially when your laws are written by racist morons.

The analysis by Dr. Samuel Addy found that 40,000 to 80,000 workers earning between $15,000 to $35,000 annually have left the state. Those departures, the study found, mean the loss of 70,000 to 140,000 direct and indirect jobs.

The chief problem, the study finds, is that demand in the economy is reduced.

"As a result of this exodus, aggregate demand has been reduced, a negative shock that puts the state's economy on a lower growth path than would have been the case without the law," the report argues.

vudukungfu:I'm not going to complain. I used to advocate that all the farking racists should move to their own farking state. They pretty much did this with Colorado, Arizona, and Utah. Now they want to act like racist asshats in thier own sand boxes. Meh. We'll take the Mexican up here in Vermont. Lord knows, we can't get our own farking kids to pull the tit and shovel the shait.

This is an outstanding troll - it combines feigned brain-dead ignorance with a clever caricature of liberal hypocrisy. Well done!

Maybe the cops should just quit and go to states that don't try to make their jobs even tougher than they already are. Maybe everyone who's not old and lily white should leave the state, too. All that would be left are a bunch of old people trying to change their own diapers and some college Republicans maybe. fark Arizona.

ox45tallboy:Dude, in Georgia, we were shipping in SEX OFFENDERS to pick the crops, but they couldn't hold up to it. Small farmers took a beating this past season, while the large-scale pure commercial operations did just fine.

They claimed they took a beating, and of course the media didn't ask too many questions like why didn't they use the H-2A program even though the knew the law was coming and why most farmers are planning on planing the same number or more crops this season.

vudukungfu:I'm not going to complain. I used to advocate that all the farking racists should move to their own farking state.They pretty much did this with Colorado, Arizona, and Utah.Now they want to act like racist asshats in thier own sand boxes.Meh.We'll take the Mexican up here in Vermont.Lord knows, we can't get our own farking kids to pull the tit and shovel the shait.

s2s2s2:ox45tallboy: Weak minded people can't face up to reality and call it what it is.

So that is why you can't refer to it as "enforcing the law". Thanks for helping. Those words in quotations aren't hard to say, you should practice.

Sigh.

Look, are you, as a private citizen, allowed to "enforce the law" when you see someone speeding? Can you write them a ticket? Of course not. Our society only gives this right to individuals who are trained to do so.

Arizona (and Georgia and Alabama) cops are NOT trained to do this. We do not give this right to state police for this reason. However, these states (at the behest of the private prison industry, who is set to make a fortune off this at taxpayers' expense) decided to grab this authority for themselves. Racist individuals, who don't have to worry about getting mistaken for illegal immigrants because their skin is the right color, supported and passed this law.

It is NOT your job to "enforce the law" on speeders, just like it is NOT the job of state and local police to "enforce the law" on those suspected of immigration law violation.

I am a democrat and in no way consider myself racist. All entry level construction jobs in NJ and many advanced ones are going to illegal immigrants here. There are a plethora of what used to be middle class labor jobs which are given to illegals here for low wages and lining the pockets of owners more than ever.

The answer is and always had been to take away the incentive for businesses to hire them, moving the across the border just to have them come back solves nothing.

This is a simple non-racial issue. The federal government is refusing to enforce a federal immigration law that is costing the people of the state money in taxes to educate and support (through law enforcement, social services, and medical care).

The state, who has the most to lose in monetary terms, has passed a law to allow them to enforce a federal law to reduce the burden of unlawful immigrants.

The law does not state, "Round up all brown people and catapult them back over the border."

DrewCurtisJr:They claimed they took a beating, and of course the media didn't ask too many questions like why didn't they use the H-2A program even though the knew the law was coming and why most farmers are planning on planing the same number or more crops this season.

Yeah, and it might lead to the needless detainment of heads of international companies. Hopefully,, this does happen, and Arizona looses millions of dollars. Money usually speaks louder than the xenophobic ethnist asshats who wrote up this POS descriminatory law.

When I leave the RGV to go to Corpus Christi I must pass through a Border Patrol checkpoint on U.S. 77. They stop every vehicle and ask if you are a U.S. citizen and run the dog around the vehicle. Every road out of S. Texas has Border Patrol checkpoints.

Where is the outrage?? I mean I live in the U.S. the checkpionts are somewhere near 60 miles north from the border.

FlashHarry:good. let red states kick out the "illegals" and watch their economies take a massive hit like they already are in alabama and georgia. the law of unintended consequences - it's more common than you'd think, especially when your laws are written by racist morons.

So what do you suggest? What should we do to get rid of the illegal immigrant problem?

"Over the last several years, states frustrated with America's porous borders, have rejected the long held notion that Washington is responsible for confronting illegal immigration and have passed a flurry of laws to let local police confront illegal immigration"

Can't say that I blame them being as the feds are apparently either unwilling or unable to put a stop to the problem