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[RANT] Complaining to the wind? Poor Communication by Panucatt Devices

To be clear – this rant is not intended to be a personal attack on Roy. Everyone says he is a great guy, and his products at Panucatt Devices are fanstastic – e.g “Roy Cortes is probably one of the nicest guys I have run into in the 3D Printing community”

But I think things have gotten to the point where the poor customer experience really needs to be addressed. With that out the way, and onto the rant…

Context

So, rather excitingly, I’m in the process of putting together a new 3D printer – one printer to rule them all™. In this quest, I have been scouring middle earth the globe for the most reliable parts I can find. In particular, I want to buy an ARM-based motherboard, that has replaceable stepper drivers. Unfortunately this narrows down my options to – one board, the Azteeg X3 mini.

This product, along with many other very well engineered products, is made by Panucatt Devices. I’ve ordered from them twice now, and both times, the products have been well engineered.

The problems begin…

Unfortunately, in my last order, one of the stepper drivers appeared to be misbehaving and prints were having strange erratic layer shifts. I managed to diagnose the problem, which turned out to be poor soldering on not one, but two of the header pins of the stepper driver in question. One had a dry solder joint that came loose, and one was not actually soldered down at all! Just a blob of solder on the end of the pin.

I sent Panucatt an email to their support address, informing of the issue, and expecting some kind of apology or acknowledgement of the issue, but to date, have not had a response. I let it go, and moved on. Fortunately, this problem is something that is within my soldering ability (or lack therof) to fix – and its a good thing I was able to diagnose the problem on my own!

Now, Panucatt is not known for having excellent stock management… at this point in writing, most of the store is out of stock. Last month (September) I needed to buy more stepper drivers, and the page proudly “Currently in Production. In-stock by end of September”, and so I waited. October is now well underway, and so a few days ago I sent an email to their info address to ask for a stock/status update. To date, no reply.

I tried again, using the contact form on the website, again, no reply.

I tried asking on the facebook page, again, no reply.

Now, I understand that people get busy. From what I can tell, Panucatt is a one-man-band run by Roy Cortes. The issue is one that I learned while working at the Apple store: to make a customer happy, you always under promise, and then try to over deliver. There is no point to have a contact form, and two separate email addresses on your website, and a help desk system, if you don’t answer any of them. There is no point having a social media profile, if you’re not interested in being social – it just makes people frustrated and less likely to want to buy from you.

In my frustration, I did a search for “panucatt reply” in the google. Here’s a selection of quotes – there’s many more out there:

Facebook:

” I contacted panucatt to see if i made a mistake or my endstops created the issue, a reply i have received zero response to. I emailed panucatt, with zero reply, over 2 weeks ago. I am focusing my displeasure across multiple facebook forums, an opinion i can alter if panucatt ever replies to me.”

“I can’t get any responses from the company via help desk tickets or company email. I can’t contact the company via phone. I’m not a happy customer.”

Forums:

“sorry my request. I do not get news from more than ten days. […] His promise was to deliver by the end of March
but now it does not respond to email questions.Have been something to worry about?”

“I had to send him a total of 5 emails as a reminder and finally got a response from him while he was in China. The panel arrived last week, 4 month late. I don’t know what it is with Roy. He designs brilliant products, but his customer relation skills are zilch. If you are in business, it does not help to ignore your customers, especially if the write in on the support@panucatt.com email.”

“Panucatt Devices has never answered polite mails”

“I’ve submitted a ticket via their contact form, posted a ticket via their online support portal, mailed their support E-mail and even mailed Roy directly, with no response. From what I see on here and various other places this is rather typical.”

“I have tried numerous ways to contact Panucatt over the past two weeks, all in vain”

“Seems like he is a **** for not supporting his own things”

“I think Panucatt Devices make great hardware that noone else is making right now, but their quality control is pretty poor and they are very slow in responding”

“It would be nice if Roy (Panucatt) or Lincomatic would get back to me […] no response to emails sent last week.”

” have emailed Roy from Panucatt but he completely sidestepped my request for help.”

Panucatt make great stuff but there customer service is shocking. Roy needs to do something about this.

” I know Roy’s busy, but this is starting to piss me off”

“I initially sent an email to roy asking why it hasn’t arrived yet and he said it was supposed to arrive by friday (about 2 weeks ago). I have sent him three emails since then from different email addresses thinking it might have gone to his spam box. He hasn’t responded to any. […] His support is horrible.”

**** you Roy Cortes from Panucatt, as you so gladly sell the Viki 2.0 but provide absolutely zero support. (I realise it’s rather mean to say this, but I have tried numerous ways to contact Panucatt over the past two weeks, all in vain)

I’m not the only one who is noticing:

“Seems like the word around the inter web is that Panucatt has terrible customer service/support”

And even vendors are shying away:

“I was going to start using them in my kits but the vendor is a bit spotty on communication so I decided to switch back to RAMPS because I use them in kits and community support is better for RAMPS.”

Roy’s reasons:

“Just came back from a business trip in Asia. I didnt get to read all my emails because of slow internet and reply was almost impossible unless Im at the Hotel. Im getting everything sorted out now.”

“I try to keep every buyer happy but sometimes things just fall off the radar and gets dragged on.”

Right now, I don’t know what to do. I’ve exhausted every avenue of communication and have achieved nothing. I sent one final email to roy@panucatt (7th Oct 16) – apparently he checked that one more often. I’ll update this post if I hear anything.

Edit (10/10/16): Roy replied – I’d suggest that those having trouble reaching Roy email him at Roy@panucatt, rather than using the other addresses on the website.His response “Sorry for the late reply” does not really address the issue that contacting him was an absolute pain. I’m hesitant to order from him again for this reason, as it doesnt seem like he sees the importance of good communication.

Dear Roy,

We don’t expect lighting responses. We don’t expect perfect devices. But – your communication really needs improvement! People get anxious, worried, stressed, and frustrated when there is no reply. You make GREAT products, but a great product, deserves great support.

My suggestion would be to pick ONE way which channels you want people to be able to contact you on, and then setup a ticket system with auto-reply, so that people know that you are busy, but also know that you care and will get back to them.

I would like to wish you every success with your innovative and quality products, and I hope that things will improve.

Samuel

Post-Postscript (11/11/16)

I see that Roy has started a kickstarter. I certainly won’t be backing it until he addresses this issue.Post-Post-Postscript (31/10/17)

Nothing has changed…

“After 3 months without any reply from Panucatt to my e-mails I resigned. Im not brave enough/don’t have enough money to invest in device that will or will not have a support. In the end I will order DUET WI-FI (I think).” (Aug 2017)

Roy Cortes 2018 Update (30/6/18)

Panucatt Devices 2019 Update (30/1/19)

Bill writes to me and says: “We are having issues with their AZTEEG X3 PRO and cannot get a reliable answer from anyone.“

Diggr says: “I’ve found the boards and drivers to be quite well made, but support for hardware and firmware is sketchy at best…your Google-Foo must be black-belt or higher. Seriously. ” — followed by a reply by Modmike: “I will second that.”

evanboothe shows how just impossible it is to reach support regarding his Azteeg X5: “…panucatt has been lacking response to me…” and over a week later “Still waiting to hear back from Roy at panucatt” .. and then three weeks later … “emailed panucatt yesterday still no response.”

Parabolic says: “I contacted them for help/repairs, and no response. I wont ever buy from them again, and urge others to follow suit. There are so many other BETTER products out there that the manufacturer actually helps/supports and appreciates the money spent with them. ”

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11 Comments

Same here, he’s ignoring my emails now…
I sent him x3 Azteeg X5 V3 mini boards that needed some work… that was 5 months ago, and he kept fobbing me off.
Last email from him said:
Damian,
I dont have the tracking at hand right now since it was shipped over the counter at the post office.
Rest assured it is on its way to you. Once i get the tracking from the shipping guy i will send it to you right away.
Thanks
Sent from my iPhone

Same experience for me as with Damian, only I guess I took a lesser hit since I only sent back a single X5 V3 board. It’s been 11 months since my initial ticket with him, 8 months since he has completely stopped responding. I’ve opened multiple tickets, sent emails, and got nothing. Once upon a time I even managed to track down a phone number which no one picked up. At this point my board isn’t even listed on his website, so fat chance I’ll ever get something back.

I had high hopes for the Azteeg board. It worked great for a little bit, and probably would have kept going after getting it repaired. I’m even tempted to get one of the newer models, but I’ll be d***ed if I buy anything from Panucatt again. I get it’s a one man show and it’s hard to keep up, but if the man is straight up refusing to give back my $100+ product then he’ll never have business from me again. And I would recommend others NOT to bother. Stick with a more reliable supplier. It’s not hard to find one, just throw a rock.

Same issue here! Purchased an Azteeg X5 GT and was defective upon arrival. Panucatt was quick to respond when I asked about shipping before the purchase but now after purchasing impossible to get ahold of. Very disappointing because I really like the tech specs of some of their products.

Sorry to hear that Arron! All we can do is chase up with paypal, and share this advice to avoid this company. Really sad as they look like great devices on paper. I almost bought an X5 GT myself, but thankfully for me was only burnt with a smaller purchase of stepper drivers. 🙁

Interesting update. Roy from Panucatt responded and was actually very helpful in diagnosing the issue with my board. He offered to send a new board on account of the fact it is likely hardware related. Hoping that works out and I get this thing working!