The other thing that was going on in parallel, which was also very important
and which you touched upon, was Projet SIDA in Zaire. That was a unique
interaction among a number of agencies in the government: the CDC, the
NIAID, and later Walter Reed [Army Medical Center]. It was actually international.
People from Belgium played a major role in it and also some people from
Germany. The Germans set up a modern blood banking facility in Kinshasa
in Zaire, which I have visited. Kinshasa is a third or fourth world setting.
It is very primitive. The people from Belgium had set up an infrastructure
for interacting with the health care delivery system that existed in Zaire.
But it was the CDC and their people, together with NIAID, that set up
a modern investigative research effort in this environment. Drs. Thomas
Quinn and Skip [Henry L.] Francis, working with Ms. MaryAnn Guerra, played
a major role setting up the NIAID research component at Projet SIDA.
It was amazing to me how all the events related to AIDS that occurred
in Africa turned out to be an incredible predictor of what was going to
happen in the United States. It was sort of a preview as to what was going
to happen here with us. You could look over there and say, “We know
that in the next four or five years we are going to have this problem,” and it happened.

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