rjquillin

tytiger58 wrote:Have had a few of the 09 Syrah and 6 more in the cellar and it was beautiful IMHO, Copain makes another highly rated Syrah from the same vineyard and fwiw costs a bit more. It's low ABV 13.7 iirc and beautiful fruit and structure just a great wine, buy some of the 09 if you don't think it is a great value and great cali syrah I will buy them from you. Also pretty excited to try the Mourvedre pretty sure you can get free shipping

OK, tomorrow I call 'em and see what they can do on a mixed case. Damn you enablers.

ddeuddeg

jmdavidson wrote:The wines are starting to repeat now. And we thought they were sold out.

"There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead."
Sorry about the reference to such an old post, but I was just trying to figure out what I missed while I was away, and I couldn't resist that one. Now I can't even remember how I wound up looking at that bunch of posts in the first place.

"Always keep a bottle of Champagne in the fridge for special occasions. Sometimes the special occasion is that you've got a bottle of Champagne in the fridge". - Hester Browne

mother

kylemittskus wrote:Luckily (or not budget-wise), some of us have free shipping through the end of the year due to a credit card theft debacle at WL. 12 for FS would price me way out, even with splitting with tyger.

zTimothyBz

Have you heard anything about nakedwines.com
? I got a voucher card with an order and was wanting to ask you about it. Good? Bad? Just OK? Total scam?

Any opinions.

Also for So Cal folks, they had a grand opening of a Total Wine in Laguna Hills(?) last week, and there are some $15 off every $50 coupons in some smaller, local newspapers (the email coupon is $10 off every $50). 30% off of their prices seems a good deal.

bud8jr

2007 Miller Wine Works Syrah Sage Canyon Vineyard, Napa Valley for $16 and 2006 Moon Mountain Estate Grown Syrah Sonoma Valley for $10 available again on invino. I used "premierwelcome" code for $10 off $100 min order. Basically got the refrigerated shipping for $5 with the code. Pm me for an invite if you need one.

rjquillin

bud8jr wrote:2007 Miller Wine Works Syrah Sage Canyon Vineyard, Napa Valley for $16 and 2006 Moon Mountain Estate Grown Syrah Sonoma Valley for $10 available again on invino. I used "premierwelcome" code for $10 off $100 min order. Basically got the refrigerated shipping for $5 with the code. Pm me for an invite if you need one.

bud8jr

It was something I had in my previous orders that is avail again. They sent me a pop up when I went to the site the time after I checked my previous orders, it said something to the effect that it would be offered to me before the gen public can buy it FWIW.

rjquillin

bud8jr wrote:It was something I had in my previous orders that is avail again. They sent me a pop up when I went to the site the time after I checked my previous orders, it said something to the effect that it would be offered to me before the gen public can buy it FWIW.

Makes sense. You tried your MM? I've only got one of that vintage Syrah and haven't sampled yet.

bud8jr

rjquillin wrote:Makes sense. You tried your MM? I've only got one of that vintage Syrah and haven't sampled yet.

Prob one of the best QPR at $10. I know others here did not care for the MM, But IMO this was nice. I went deep 1st offering on a variety pack, then this one came up again. Got 8 of these and 4 of the Miller.

cmaldoon

noslensj wrote:I missed the earlier offering. After a bit of thought I went in for half a case. I've thought all of the Oriel offerings I've tried were pretty good value for the money.

I've had that oriel before...probably a case now. It is fantastic QPR at 10.50. It's a good soft Grenache at this point with some minerality from carignane. The only knock I give it is that it is lacking in concentration a bit but again...this is a $10 wine and is fantastic for that.

noslensj

cmaldoon wrote:I've had that oriel before...probably a case now. It is fantastic QPR at 10.50. It's a good soft Grenache at this point with some minerality from carignane. The only knock I give it is that it is lacking in concentration a bit but again...this is a $10 wine and is fantastic for that.

redwinefan

Does anyone know if WCC is still putting together wine deals for RLL? I haven't noticed any wine for sale on there recently. Not sure if they are just taking the summer off though or if the Woot+ boutiques kind of took the place of RLL for WCC.

"You need to invest in a corkscrew. Wine is for drinking." -- Peter Wellington

2007 was a better year, but the 2007 is in a screw top bottle, which really pissed me off. Taking a wine that is the equivalent of a premier cru Burgundy and destroying it's ability to age properly was a really bad decision, which I think was made after the sale of Buena Vista.

The 2006 is a lovely wine, which we also tasted on the 2010 Tour, and will age very nicely in the cork closure bottles.

I understand using these damned screw tops for wines not intended to, or capable of, aging, but using them on truly fine wines with serious aging potential(10-20 years IMHO) is a crime against nature and should be punished the way such crimes once were punished!

I don't love the price, but I bought some, if only to have the last vintage of that lovely wine in a cork closure bottle. I still have most of the 2005 I got in 2008 and 2010, which I don't expect to begin drinking before 2015 at the earliest. The 2006 may be ready by then, or just a bit earlier.

rjquillin

rpm wrote:I understand using these damned screw tops for wines not intended to, or capable of, aging, but using them on truly fine wines with serious aging potential(10-20 years IMHO) is a crime against nature and should be punished the way such crimes once were punished!

I don't love the price, but I bought some, if only to have the last vintage of that lovely wine in a cork closure bottle. I still have most of the 2005 I got in 2008 and 2010, which I don't expect to begin drinking before 2015 at the earliest. The 2006 may be ready by then, or just a bit earlier.

Make no mistake, this is serious, ageworthy Pinot.

Makes me wonder, then, if these may be successfully recapped using a Zork STL (PDF). OTR is less than either natural or synthetic cork by a factor of between 2.8~10 depending on whose numbers you use, but nowhere near the ~100 times lower of a screw cap.

I'm thinking, remove the screw, purge the bottle with Ar, and recap with a Zork STL (web page).

rjquillin

rpm wrote:I understand using these damned screw tops for wines not intended to, or capable of, aging, but using them on truly fine wines with serious aging potential(10-20 years IMHO) is a crime against nature and should be punished the way such crimes once were punished!

I don't love the price, but I bought some, if only to have the last vintage of that lovely wine in a cork closure bottle. I still have most of the 2005 I got in 2008 and 2010, which I don't expect to begin drinking before 2015 at the earliest. The 2006 may be ready by then, or just a bit earlier.

Make no mistake, this is serious, ageworthy Pinot.

Makes me wonder, then, if these may be successfully recapped using a Zork STL (PDF). OTR is less than either natural or synthetic cork by a factor of between 2.8~10 depending on whose numbers you use, but nowhere near the ~100 times lower of a screw cap.

Zork does claim oxidative rather than reductive development as found in a screw closure.

I'm thinking, remove the screw, purge the bottle with Ar, and recap with a Zork STL (web page).

rpm

rjquillin wrote:Makes me wonder, then, if these may be successfully recapped using a Zork STL (PDF). OTR is less than either natural or synthetic cork by a factor of between 2.8~10 depending on whose numbers you use, but nowhere near the ~100 times lower of a screw cap.

Zork does claim oxidative rather than reductive development as found in a screw closure.

I'm thinking, remove the screw, purge the bottle with Ar, and recap with a Zork STL (web page).

bsevern

rpm wrote:2007 was a better year, but the 2007 is in a screw top bottle, which really pissed me off. Taking a wine that is the equivalent of a premier cru Burgundy and destroying it's ability to age properly was a really bad decision, which I think was made after the sale of Buena Vista.

The 2006 is a lovely wine, which we also tasted on the 2010 Tour, and will age very nicely in the cork closure bottles.

I understand using these damned screw tops for wines not intended to, or capable of, aging, but using them on truly fine wines with serious aging potential(10-20 years IMHO) is a crime against nature and should be punished the way such crimes once were punished!

I don't love the price, but I bought some, if only to have the last vintage of that lovely wine in a cork closure bottle. I still have most of the 2005 I got in 2008 and 2010, which I don't expect to begin drinking before 2015 at the earliest. The 2006 may be ready by then, or just a bit earlier.

Make no mistake, this is serious, ageworthy Pinot.

It depends on the type of screw cap used. Certain models are fully capable of emulating the breathing of a cork, yet others are a non-breathing seal (like the crown cap you mentioned on the tour). Obviously if they used the later, all bets are off on serious aging.

I emailed the winery to ask what specific enclosure they implemented, but thus far, I've received no response.

rpm

bsevern wrote:It depends on the type of screw cap used. Certain models are fully capable of emulating the breathing of a cork, yet others are a non-breathing seal (like the crown cap you mentioned on the tour). Obviously if they used the later, all bets are off on serious aging.

I emailed the winery to ask what specific enclosure they implemented, but thus far, I've received no response.

I keep hearing things like certain models are fully capable of emulating the breathing of a cork, but I've yet to see it proven to me over the 20-30 year life span of a good Cabernet or Pinot or even Chardonnay. Call me old-fashioned, but I'm simply not willing to take the risk with my money and my wine that the newer seals don't work out as well as the vendors and users of them hoped.

And, moreover, I think any winery that takes that risk with their premium wines doesn't take either their wine or their customers very seriously.

If they want to put some of their library wines aside with such closures, to undertake the 20-30 year experiments, that's fine and a reasonable and responsible thing to do. It's neither reasonable nor responsible to take the customer's money for something unproven for premium wine over its full life-cycle.

bsevern

rpm wrote:I keep hearing things like certain models are fully capable of emulating the breathing of a cork, but I've yet to see it proven to me over the 20-30 year life span of a good Cabernet or Pinot or even Chardonnay. Call me old-fashioned, but I'm simply not willing to take the risk with my money and my wine that the newer seals don't work out as well as the vendors and users of them hoped.

And, moreover, I think any winery that takes that risk with their premium wines doesn't take either their wine or their customers very seriously.

If they want to put some of their library wines aside with such closures, to undertake the 20-30 year experiments, that's fine and a reasonable and responsible thing to do. It's neither reasonable nor responsible to take the customer's money for something unproven for premium wine over its full life-cycle.

Only time will tell if the claims on the permeability, and/or semipermeability of these enclosures function as claimed. I'm skeptical too, yet if they can emulate a cork as advertised, it would be great not to waste another corked bottle down the drain again.

BTW the 2007 Buena Vista Ramal Vineyard Pinot Noir is back up for $13.99!!

wnance

rpm wrote:I keep hearing things like certain models are fully capable of emulating the breathing of a cork, but I've yet to see it proven to me over the 20-30 year life span of a good Cabernet or Pinot or even Chardonnay. Call me old-fashioned, but I'm simply not willing to take the risk with my money and my wine that the newer seals don't work out as well as the vendors and users of them hoped.

And, moreover, I think any winery that takes that risk with their premium wines doesn't take either their wine or their customers very seriously.

If they want to put some of their library wines aside with such closures, to undertake the 20-30 year experiments, that's fine and a reasonable and responsible thing to do. It's neither reasonable nor responsible to take the customer's money for something unproven for premium wine over its full life-cycle.

Timely comments, as the 07 Buena Vista Ramal Pinot is back on Wineshopper today for $13.99/bottle.

I've got a case+ of this, have had a couple bottles, and really enjoyed it. I do wonder what to do with it as far as cellaring? If I had more money lying around I would buy another case just as a daily drinker for $14/bottle...

joed10303

rpm wrote:I keep hearing things like certain models are fully capable of emulating the breathing of a cork, but I've yet to see it proven to me over the 20-30 year life span of a good Cabernet or Pinot or even Chardonnay. Call me old-fashioned, but I'm simply not willing to take the risk with my money and my wine that the newer seals don't work out as well as the vendors and users of them hoped.

And, moreover, I think any winery that takes that risk with their premium wines doesn't take either their wine or their customers very seriously.

If they want to put some of their library wines aside with such closures, to undertake the 20-30 year experiments, that's fine and a reasonable and responsible thing to do. It's neither reasonable nor responsible to take the customer's money for something unproven for premium wine over its full life-cycle.

while i agree with your view on corks , the 07 ramal is $14 on wineshopper. at that price isnt it a buy to drink now and maybe take a chance on laying a couple down ??

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