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Comment by ThunderSS

"Your melee and ranged attacks have a chance to call on the power of the Arcane if you're exalted with the Scryers, or the Light if you're exalted with the Aldor." This look pretty cool. I guess those who are on Scyers will recive a damage buff or add and those who are on Aldor will recive a healing buff. Is for Rogue, Warriors, Hunters and sometime Paladins and Shamans. Also the proc may work in cat and bear form so this could be for druids to.

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Comment by Redmanifest

Any clue as to whether this will be rep vendored, or badge bought? It just seems reminiscent of the additions Blizz added to the heroic vendor when ZA came out.

Comment by Cavendar

It depends on your class actually. Combat rogues, for example, will typically benefit more from 2 AP than 1 crit rating. A marksman hunter, on the other hand, would probably prefer the crit rating. There are a lot of variables, so even if for your particular character one is better than the other, other scenarios will have different results.

Comment by Suzaku

Just got this on the PTR, with exalted as a Scryer. Doesn't proc previously mentioned "improves Your Critical Rating By 100, lasts 10sec".

For Exalted with Scryers, it procs an attack called Arcane Strike, which deals approximately 350-400 arcane damage. With a bit of testing, it seems to proc about once per fight. Visually, it creates a small spark on the enemy, and looks and sounds like the blood elf racial Mana Tap.

Edit: Arcane Strike can crit.

Comment by Sounder

If someone who's gotten the item could do some testing and calculate the PPM on this, that would be awesome. It'd be good if someone could re-confirm the Aldor proc too. (The Scryer proc has changed to "Arcane Strike", see below.)

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Comment by jamina1

That is totally unfair. Especially in the case of my shaman. 500 arcane damage dealt to my target is NOTHING compared to 200 extra ap for 10 seconds. WTF Bliz?

Comment by hoing69

200 AP proc on a rogue is far better than a measly 500 arcane damage. These two are no where near equal, depending on your class.

Making something faction specific after people have already been dedicated to one or the other seems slightly unfair.

Comment by rorin

will the aldor proc stack with hourglass proc or no?

Comment by rorin

can the aldor proc stack with the hourglass one?

Comment by frmorrison

If you are a Scryer, the arcane damage proc is affected by your melee crit/hit values and it is confirmed that the arcane damage is affected by Curse of Shadows and Misery, pretty much any +magic damage debuff.

This also is affected by many damage modifiers, such as Imp Sanc Aura (2% more damage), Vengeance (15% more), and weapon specialization (5-6% more damage, depending on the version).

Comment by shrtbusbully

This is a horrible change for dps warriors and rogues if they are scryer. 500 arcane damage is not on par with 200 ap for ten seconds for either class, especially rogues and bloodthirst fury warriors. It may not be a big difference to ms two handed warriors because in ten seconds they are gonna get three swings, but for rogues and fury warriors its a horrible change and a reason to think about changing factions even.

Comment by Yougotgot

Clearly, this necklace is meant for Aldor, whereas the Resolve Pendant is meant for Scryer.

Comment by milly

This item is bugged for Scryer. If you wear this as a rogue and sap something, it procs the arcane damage, and breaks the sap instantly. Also procs on thrown.

Comment by Faerfall

Yet given the +100 expertise proc is nigh useless to DPS with the Shard of Contempt so easily available for such a large amount of expertise, it makes rolling Scryers at a serious disadvantage for melee DPS at the moment; especially considering you cannot rely on the proc and simpy replace all expertise gear.

Edit:However, if the 500 Arcane Damage has -no- hidden cooldown, it could actually be reasonable dependant on proc-rate. If it shares the 45 sec cooldown with the Aldor version however, it's terrible.

Comment by dcr13

How is 200 AP for 10 seconds not on par with 500 arcane damage? I'd like to see some calculations proving this.

Comment by isendims

read the items, it says if "exalted" so if ur not, it wont happen

Comment by isendims

measly? 500 dmg is almost an extra attack, this dmg also has a chance to crit.

On a side note, this item is a rep reward, dont expect awesome items.

Comment by Boring

I just got these on live servers, they proc alot more than hourglass imo, and when it procs, it makes the Seal of Vengeance animation as can be seen in my screenshot.

Comment by 2OfDiamonds

what alternative do hunters have as far as shattered sun necks are concerned?

*edit*

after rechecking the link, it might actually proc off ranged and the melee version being used by mobs in the botanica.

Comment by drumbum

Did you even read the item tooltip?

"Equip: Your melee and ranged attacks have a chance to call on the power of the Arcane if you're exalted with the Scryers, or the Light if you're exalted with the Aldor."

Comment by Letty

I picked these up right now, I can confirm the Aldor proc is 200 AP for 10 seconds, and the proc rate is one of the highest I've seen on a Chance on Hit-item. I have no proc-addon, but will post later after some testing.

Comment by Scettzvill

can any1 confirm if the scryer proc based arcane damage is effected by + spell damage?

if so this might be a decent neck for enhancement shamans who dont requier more hit or expertise.

Comment by aprosexie

* The Aldor proc grants +200 Attack Power for 10 seconds. * The Scyer proc grants Arcane Strike, which is 500 Arcane Damage that can also crit.

Comment by Cengaveraso

I just got my necklace i make some tries as a scryer and it seems like it is not static 500 arcane dmg cause it sometimes hit for 370-390ish max crits i saw is 790

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can any1 confirm if the arcane strike effect is effected by + spell damage?

Comment by Sapphidia

Ok, hit exalted today and took this thing for a whirl, as a prot spec warrior in fury gear dual wielding. I'm scryer, so was getting the arcane proc.

The arcane strike hits anywhere from 375-400 arcane damage from what I saw on my combat log - so it looks like it's multiplied by the 10% One Handed spec as the proc in WoWhead states 333-367.

It crit quite often too, and I was getting crit values for well over 800. In fact, I'm pretty convinced it not only uses your melee crit rate but also your melee crit damage multiplier - I have the Relentless Earthstorm Diamond meta, and this likely accounted for the much bigger than +100% crit damage.

The only thing that was difficult to gauge is the proc rate/cooldown. Conventional wisdom implies a 10% proc chance with a 45 second internal cooldown in line with similar things, and what I saw using it kind of implied this. Namely, it wont ever chain proc, you wont see it proc massively, but if you're a dual wielder you'll see it proc fairly soon into the start of the fight.

Conclusion: I really like it, even if agility isnt the best of stats for a warrior. I use it in PVE now instead of the S3 Vindicator neck. The proc is fun, does good damage, and seems to be consistent enough to be a valid, decent component of your damage.

Comment by pandaman

Just when you thought the Scryer proc couldn't be worse, you see it Dodged or Parried in your log :)

Comment by greenblade

Hmm well i am disapointed by the effect for Scryer's .A buff for 10 secs isnt close equal to a 350-400 hit .Every one who is a melee class that uses AP can tell you that a buff for 10 sec is way way better cuz of the %^&* load of atacks we are doing in that 10 sec ,a atack with CD up to 40 sec for 350-400 is just a joke compared to a buff for 10 sec .I dount blizzard will chage the items effect but i am thinking to reroll aldor only cuz of this effect .And wtf ,this effect breaks sap ,thats realy "nice" ,this will be fixed i gues in the next patch's tho ,or we rogues hope so ^^ .All i can say if you are Scryer melee class that uses AP you are &*!@ed ,sorry for being rude or whatever but this is what i think of this item effect .This idea :The Proc Effect's "Increases Your Attack Power By 200, lasts 10sec" --- Aldor Exalted

"Improves Your Critical Rating By 100, lasts 10sec" ---Scryer Exaltedi think was realy good dno where the guy that wrote it got it but i was hoping it is like that ,cuz that is equal for bouth Aldor and Scryer members ,but nope .In my eyes wasted a lot of time farming rep and then to finding this .

Comment by danleo

I have been thinking, 200 attack power is about +14 damage on each attack. A simplistic model with a conservative estimate of 20 attack in these 10 seconds would mean 280 more damage, far less than the 350+ damage of the Aldor proc.

Other issues to consider ?

Comment by danleo

I have been thinking, 200 attack power is about +14 damage on each attack. A simplistic model with a conservative estimate of 20 attack in these 10 seconds would mean 280 more damage, far less than the 350+ damage of the Aldor proc.

Other issues to consider ?

Comment by pplive

Something need to be fixed,

the proc on all melee/range hit including distract shot/SAP etc

o well proc on sap...it will be great(actually bad) in cc----for scryers

Comment by Thia

Just done an hour long test of the Aldor version, with my feral druid, whacking the Servant of Grol with an unmodified 1.0s attack speed.

In 60 minutes (3600 seconds), it procced 71 times.

On average, it took 51 seconds to proc again (45 seconds of which was the internal cooldown)

Comment by corvato

This has been hotfixxed for scryer. update from WoW general Forums:

Several bugs have been fixed with the Shattered Sun Pendants. Shattered Sun Pendants of Acumen and Might will now be triggered only by spells and abilities which cause damage. Shattered Sun Pendant of Might will no longer break crowd control effects such as Scattershot with its triggered effect. Shattered Sun Pendants of Acumen, Might, and Restoration now all have correct range limits.

Comment by Visceroid

I'm not sure if internal cooldown is different between Aldor/Scryer proc but I can ensure you I got a proc 27 seconds after the buff fade on the Aldor one.

Currently doing further tests but it seems to proc mostly after around 30 seconds of the old buff fade for Aldor.

Comment by Wezagred

Does anyone know if the Arcane Strike is also affected by +spelldmg? Since, Enhancement Shamans have got a decent amount of spelldmg, and if that is on top of Arcane Strike, it is godlike.

Comment by Killahbabe

What message or effect am I supposed to see when this procs? I have had it for three days now, and not seen a single proc... :S

Comment by hezec

Do you have Aldor/Scryers exalted? You need that as well for the proc.

Comment by Niarbdead

Does it share cooldown with the trinket Hourglass of the Unraveller ?If it does it rly sucks.

Comment by autrui

This may be obvious, but I only just realized it: this will not proc at all if you are not *exalted* with aldor or scryer.

Comment by Darthius

Likewise i've not seen any kind of proc message, emote, sound or sign in my top right screen ?, to be fair i've not checked my combat stats but can someone confirm weather there should be some way of knowing it's proc'd ?

Comment by Darthius

Likewise i've not seen any kind of proc message, emote, sound or sign in my top right screen ?, to be fair i've not checked my combat stats but can someone confirm weather there should be some way of knowing it's proc'd ?

Comment by Elvinia

Sigh. What's the best way to go from scryers exalted to Aldor in the shortest time possible, if it's even possible?

Comment by fendred

How does this compare to the Worgen Claw Necklace http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28509 for a Fury DPS warrior? I'm exalted Aldor so I would be getting the AP proc. The only reason I still have Worgen Claw is for the hit rating, but I'm at 171 now. Is 17 hit rating (at this point) worth the extra AP?

Comment by jamaima

Is this neck better than Mithril Chain of Heroism (28 str, 22 agi, 22 stam)?ps i am exalted with scryers

Comment by likeyou

do u get a message when it procs cause iv been using this for some time now and i havnt seen it proc yetwell atleast i dont think i have :P

Comment by Automation

This hasn't been said yet and is worth noting, the aldor buff can be purged.

Comment by mdsmith2483

This is definitely affected by CoS and Misery and personal damage modifiers. I had it crit for 1949. Assuming it was from CoS, Misery, Relentless Earthstorm Diamond and Avenging Wrath in addition to full raid buffs.

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Comment by brighteye

When this first came out, I thought to myself, "Wish I had done Aldor." Then when I heard that it'd been changed... I was kinda irked.

If 100 crit rating is overpowered, let me show you something.

Band of the Eternal Champion, like the Aldor version of the trinket, has a 45-50-second cooldown to their proc. The Hyjal ring gives 160 AP, not 200, and its ilvl is 152.

The Ashtongue Talisman of Lethality gives a rogue a 20% chance per combo point of getting 145 crit rating for 10 seconds. It's a pretty good trinket, isn't it? Its ilvl is 141.

Crit is an iffy stat, unlike AP. Even if you proc the Ashtongue trinket and get 35-50% crit, you're still likely NOT to crit. Aldor folks got the stuff that's for sure; Scryer people chose the less sure path, the iffy path, the crit path. Aldor people laughed when more and more players stacked resilience; Scryer people started farming basilisk eyes.

In my opinion, the "nerf" to the Scryer version of this trinket was uncalled for. All that we know of these combat ratings and stats is that the 16 AP gem is, for itemization purposes, equal to 8 crit rating. 2:1. In this case, 200 AP = 100 crit rating.

That someone farming Shattered Sun rep should be able to obtain a neck piece with a better proc than the exalted Hyjal ring is very cool. But to remove from the Scryer neck 100 crit rating, which doesn't even compare to how often you can maintain +145 crit rating with the BT trinket, which is ilvl 141, is kinda like it's Opposite Day or something. Is it Opposite Day today? Sorry, I forgot to wear my shirt inside-out.

Nerf the Aldor version or revert to the original Scryer version.

Comment by Killahbabe

What effect or text am I supposed to see when this procs? I have been exalted with Scryer for a long time already and I have had this necklace for quite a while now, but I have yet to see it proc... :s Thankfully the stats are not bad and it was not expensive.

Comment by icecream

what "nerf" are you talking about?

Comment by Sidonis

So wear something else. It is only a rep reward from a rep you can hit Exalted with in a normal 5-man, as well as a couple thousand rep a day in dailies.

Comment by pandaman

Shattered Sun Pendant of Might: The triggered effect from this item will no longer break Scattershot or other crowd-controlling affects. The visual on the Scryer version has been updated.

Latest PTR patchnotes mention an updated visual, I went onto PTR to try this and was very disappointed. New animation for the Scryer proc now has the Intercept sound effect, and your character swings their melee weapons at the target (looks bad as a Hunter). The small spark still remains, so really the visual hasn't changed at all.

Comment by HolyDwarf

Oh... My... God! Is it true it gives 300-400 Arcane dmg for scryers and 200 AP for Aldors in 10 sec?300-400 arcane DMG is like the suckyest procc (or what to call it) thing i've ever heard of :S?! Who 'da hell cares for 400 dmg in a boss fight instead of getting 200 ap for 10 sec :S??!Rly disapointed at u Blizzard what the hell where u thinking about :S?! If someone knows a single way it's good for, tell me!

Comment by Ravedruid

The Scryer Arcane Strike is actually rather generous for Retribution Paladins. With a high cri rate comes a higher crit chance. Vengance is stacked / refreshed by either spell or melee crits of which the Arcane Strike represents the former.

Despite the lower Stamina on this pendant, it also is quite nice for arena combat as well. It decreases the time necessary to get vengance up and going (especially against high resilience opponets) by including a 5th strike on an opening swing (CS + SoC along with normal melee + SoC) which can crit.

The fact that Retribution Paladins still rely heavily on burst damage do to lack of CC and limited instant attacks makes this nice as well.

I am sure that this will proc any talent requiring a spell critical to be triggered but aside from a Paladin I can't think of any other class that would gain the benefit of this since it requires the pendant to be equiped and the proc alone is not enough to outweigh the other necks available (such as a moonkin looking to melee between casts who still wouldn't benifit more from this than the spell damage variety)

An Enhancement Shaman with points in Elemental Devastation would also stand to benefit. I can't say wether or not it would proc chance on crit or spell cast trinkets but using a Lightning Capacitor with this might prove intresting or at least entertaining.

Comment by galadal

It seems like the Aldor version (+200 AP / 10 sec) could be best for Leather workers who can pop a 'drums of speed' (+80 haste for 30 sec) to maximize the number of attacks which receive the +200 AP boost during the 10 second proc. This would require activating drums quickly once the neck procs.

Comment by bolo93

I wonder, I have warr alt. What is better this or neck from Hyjal trash ? ( chokker of serrated blades ) If Im aldor.

Comment by Zaphiroth

Arcane strike can be dodged by the enemy so it should do more dps with expertise =)

edit: and can also (perhaps obviously) be parried and blocked aswell. Overall this pretty much works like seal of command.

Comment by Tacky187

FYI - I am pretty sure you must be Exalted with your factions for the procs to work. My warrior NEVER proc'ed the aldor buff until he hit exalted.

Comment by Gynnder

Err, that was already stated in the description of the necklace.

Comment by Tacky187

Yeah, apparently, I am retarded

Comment by tolastun

if you read the last part of it it says "Your melee and ranged attacks have a chance to call on the power of the Arcane if you're exalted with the Scryers, or the Light if you're exalted with the Aldor." so yes you must be EXALTED with either Aldor or Scryer for this to proc.

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Comment by extacy1375

xstaidx-----I am wondering the same thing if the aldor version stacks with the Hourglass of the Unraveller??

I had both equiped during my raid last night and all i saw was the hourglass procing.

Just read that you have to have the rep for it to proc...

if this is true, this does suck!

Comment by Klocker

WTH is going on here. I have had this thing for 2 weeks now and I have PVP'd about 20 Battlegrounds and I have yet to see this thing proc. People are saying its like an aura like a Pally or something and I have NEVER seen this yet.

Any comments? BTW, I have the aldor version.

Comment by Klocker

Ahh ok, cool well that makes sense. Thanks!

Comment by zinspawn

On my hunter I'm exalted with Aldor, whilst wearing this necklace the proc seems to reset my auto shots and mess up my shot rotation. Can any one else comfirm this?

Comment by Klocker

Ok, So obviously I could not read what the item said "exalted with Aldor"

my bad!

I have finally become exalted with the Aldor (cost me about 800g buying marks of sargeras)

This necklace rocks! It procs almost every single fight and it last about 8 seconds which is about most of the PVP fight with a mage when I fight with my rogue :)

Comment by catheryna

For a *non* hit-capped combat dagger rogue, swapping out a +hit neck such as the Worgen Claw Necklace to wear this (for Aldor anyway) seems to have a negative effect on raid DPS, despite the apparent MAEP superiority of this item. The proc is nice, but if you have to give up +hit to enjoy it, I'd be careful to test it thoroughly before adopting it as your standard PvE neck.

Comment by Leharic

When it procs, my character (female blood elf) does the generic two-hand weapon attack animation. Also see it as an orc.

Also plays the warriors' Charge sound effect.

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Comment by raddudedan

Just wondering, for a fury warr exalted with Aldor, should i get this neck piece or get the new http://www.wowhead.com/?item=35135 ? I understand the new S4 neck is better than this one as far as stats, AP, crit rating etc are concerned, however does the proc of the shattered sun neck out weigh this fact?

Comment by Southrncomfortjm

I've been leveling an enhancement shammy alt and he's at 60 now. I'm wondering if, when the time comes, its worth it to go Aldor JUST because of this necklace since the difference between Aldor and Scryer is minimal for an enhancement shaman. Neither side has good armor for me, neither side has a trinket for me, neither side has a weapon for me (and no, enhancement shamans do not use daggers!).

Seems kind of silly to me in a way, going Aldor just for the proc off a necklace, but seeing as how this necklace is the best you can get for many classes even into T5 content I don't see a problem. Anyone have some input?

Comment by Eoxedge

I am with aldor so this neck is absolutly brilliant espically when SnD, Moongoose, Bladefist breath Rage of the Unraveller and this neck all prot at the same time I think if memorey serves me correct I can near crit about 2k SS damage and since I am combat Fist I have around 31% crit chance meaning pleantly of criting and huge damage DEFIANTLY worth getting Pre-Kara

Comment by LuShiT

Tbh. Tried it out on my rogue and I'm not impressed with neither the hidden cooldown (which is pretty long), nor the procc rate. Sure it's unusual to get another chance on hit on a neck, but after trying it out I am selling it to vendor and going back to my Choker of Vile intent. Might be a bit more atp then Choker of Animalistic Fury, but very much less critical strike rating. Might work for sword-rogues though. I am aldor btw.

Edit: Was going to try this for my "Trash-gear" since i really don't need to be hit-capped on trash, therefor the comparison to Choker of Animalistic Fury. For getting this, down lurker. eeze mode.

Comment by Chrolli

It can only proc if you're exalted because you can only purchase the pendant if you're exalted!

Comment by Zeelian

Not entirely correct.

To buy it you need to be exalted with the Shattered Sun Offensive.

For the procc you need to be exalted with Scryer or Aldor.

ie, to buy and use this to its full potetntiol you need to be exalted with 2 factions.

Comment by LeonBlueblade

You have to be exalted with SSO to purchase the necklace, but you have to be exalted with Aldor or Scryer to get the proc.

So I'm thinking the chain is better... but I feel like the scryers are shafted by crappy buff's =( I want +200 attack power.... not a dumb arcake strike....

Comment by LegatoYo

Unsure if it's been mentioned, but Arcane Strike can proc Mongoose.

Comment by Shamanater

So i got this today, am exalted with the scryers as well, but for some reason my combat log has not registered the proc at all! Not sure if it shares a CD with other pieces of my gear (http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Aggramar&n=Shamanater) but im a little frustrated by the fact i have not seen a proc. Anyone else have this issue?

Comment by 2drunk2funk

It has one mention above but is this supposed to proc in arena as well?

I am guessing not even though not stated anywhere.

I have done around 20 arenas since purchasing this item and not seen a single proc in my combat log.

Killing a few mobs in the Isle after getting the neck item I could see it procing quite frequently.

A little disappointed if it does not in arena as I grinded the rep to pick this neck up.

Comment by 2drunk2funk

it does proc, and show it.

What really disappoints me is that it does NOT proc in arena, I grinded rep for this and did not see anywhere that it was situation proc, it seems to work everywhere else, BGs, instances, world PVP, fairly frequently but nothing in Arena

Lol did dailes for weeks to get this, suppose got some gold out of it and a pve neck!

Comment by Zigokubasi

Interesting bug with this necklace popped up during Magtheridon - if the aldor version of this necklace procs off your last attack (in this case a hunter's shot) just as you're clicking the cube, the little proc animation actually breaks your cube channeling. We had to remove these things off all our cube clickers for the run after we wiped because of it.

Comment by wowhead586

I'm Aldor Exalted MS/BF Warrior currently with 1379armor penetration, I have yet to pick up the 175arp gloves from Akama and the signet from ZA. Since 6200armor bosses like Gorefiend once debuffed have only 2190armor and with executioner I'm already sitting at 2219, I'm considering picking up this neck and subbing a couple other pieces once I get more arp. This way I can have a higher dps set with roughly 1350arp for trash and 6200armor bosses and a max arp set for everything else i should be able to get to around 2800 with procs.

My point being if you happen to have too much arp for the encounter or at least enough where you are diminishing the gain from executioner this neck does beat the choker, though I wonder if s4 neck might be better yet.

Comment by Ossyo

It's worth remembering that during the 10 seconds of increased AP as an Aldor you are still CC'able and so can loose the benefit of it, as opposed to the instant scryers attack

Comment by mccall

Just a quick note, this item can NOT be disenchanted. So no buying them up, DEing for a void, shattering to 2 large prismatics and doubling your money. Same for the rest of the SSO pendants. And I thought I was onto something......

Comment by jjuurriijj

ok some ppl have posted that this screws rotation 4 hunters. I mostly (as a hunter) bought this 4 stats. Im on half way to exalted with scryers and dont know if its worth geting to it. can any hunter plz answer if this still happens?

Comment by Mohfuu

On www.maxdps.com the Aldor version of this is rated as one of the best melee dps necklaces.The Aldor version lands at a comfortable third best dps necklace (for retribution spec paladins)Whereas the Scryer version isn't even listed on the top 25.

So far everything about the Aldors is better apart from that they're not bad-ass blood elves but good hearted draenei paladin scum.

Talk about being the favored children of blizzard, better rep rewards and better shoulder enchants, even when sunwell was released they got one of the most epic necklaces?I picked Scryers because I play a bloodelf, I regret that choice now, and I'm ashamed of my blood elf brothas on the Scryer plateau. It almost feels like they're making the Scryers into this "dumbass" faction that only wants the quick solutions, like instant damage procs or shoulder enchants with more crit..

Then again maybe maxdps.com did something wrong, because a measly rep reward cant't possibly be THAT good.

Comment by Yaije

prove me wrong but i haven't seen anything that beats this before 80 (aldor exalted though i'd prolly keep it with the scryer procc and stacked trinkets for some fun procc dmg)

Comment by FleabagF7

Are there any quest neck pieces in WotLK that can replace this? 200 AP proc is looking tough to beat.

Comment by FleabagF7

As a rogue, are there any quest neck pieces in WotLK that can replace this? 200 AP proc is looking tough to beat.