Well, I don't want to make it that, because it's an expense and
a nuisance. I don't want to do it that way. But I did it for
Magnuson because he's chairman of the committee in the Senate,
the subcommittee in the Senate. That's what I do. That's as far
as I go.

Q:

If you start giving awards to people in political life, maybe it won't

Lasker:

Then, in the regular research awards, one went to Dr.
Kouwenhoven and Dr. Albert Zoll, one for his discovery of how to
-- his manual, his method of how to revive people by heart massage,
which was developed in the fifties, and the other to Zoll, who was the
first one to develop the concept of the electrical implanted pacemaker,
which has saved many thousands of lives, including the lives of Dr.
-- of Mr. Elmer Bobst, and of Chief Justice Douglas.

Q:

It was a very impressive ceremony. I would think that all people
interested in geriatrics would have been tremendously encouraged
by the award to Dr. Kouwenhoven.

Lasker:

Isn't that wonderful? He's 87 years old.

Q:

And to have him say that he now had another project under way.

Lasker:

Yes -- but he's marvelous. That shows what people can be
if they don't get struck down by something else.