quote:The preamble of the Constitution opens with "We the People." That was completely trashed in the SCOTUS rulings. We the People have representatives that make laws for us. When DOMA was overturned, We the People was removed. In Prop 8, we the people have an iniative process to protect the people from government to make laws for our state even when those in power do not. That was completely trashed by the SCOTUS ruling.

quote:Not comparable at all. Interracial marriage doesn't change the definition of marriage - a man and a woman. You always mention this. If you are saying that you don't see the difference then you are also stating that you should be able to marry a woman, just like it has been. Two men cannot procreate. A black man and a white woman can.

None of this is relevant or has anything to do with whether or not a gay marriage ban is constitutional.

No matter who can procreate, no matter who has AIDS, and no matter whether discrimination against gays is comparable to discrimination against races, a gay marriage ban either does or doesn't violate the due process clause of the 14th amendment.

re: Gay marriage lawsuit to be filed against the state of AlabamaPosted by Vegas Bengal on 6/30/13 at 5:38 pm to ballscaster

quote:None of this is relevant or has anything to do with whether or not a gay marriage ban is constitutional.

No matter who can procreate, no matter who has AIDS, and no matter whether discrimination against gays is comparable to discrimination against races, a gay marriage ban either does or doesn't violate the due process clause of the 14th amendment.

quote: The preamble of the Constitution opens with "We the People." That was completely trashed in the SCOTUS rulings. We the People have representatives that make laws for us. When DOMA was overturned, We the People was removed.

We the People don't get to vote on what part of the constitution we get to not follow. We the People did ordain and establish the Constitution, which clearly states that if we want to not follow certain parts of the Constitution, then We the People have to appoint by elections representatives to change what We the People would like changed. We the People have rules, and We the People have to follow the rules.

re: Gay marriage lawsuit to be filed against the state of AlabamaPosted by ballscaster on 6/30/13 at 5:52 pm to S.E.C. Crazy

quote:If you are insinuating that the framers wrote homosexual rights and abortion rights into the constitution you are FOS.

Somebody in 1860-something wrote this into the Constitution:

quote:No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

A gay marriage ban obviously violates this. Whether or not he who drafted this even knew what "gay" was is irrelevant.

re: Gay marriage lawsuit to be filed against the state of AlabamaPosted by DawgfaninCa on 6/30/13 at 6:25 pm to ballscaster

quote:None of this is relevant or has anything to do with whether or not a gay marriage ban is constitutional.

No matter who can procreate, no matter who has AIDS, and no matter whether discrimination against gays is comparable to discrimination against races, a gay marriage ban either does or doesn't violate the due process clause of the 14th amendment.

It does, of course.

That's just your own ignorant opinion since the SCOTUS was given an option by Brown and Harris that allowed the SCOTUS not to have to make a ruling on that question and they chose that option.

Now it will be years if ever before a case challenging SSM bans makes its way to the SCOTUS.

re: Gay marriage lawsuit to be filed against the state of AlabamaPosted by ballscaster on 6/30/13 at 6:35 pm to DawgfaninCa

quote:That's just your own ignorant opinion since the SCOTUS was given an option by Brown and Harris that allowed the SCOTUS not to have to make a ruling on that question and they chose that option. Now it will be years if ever before a case challenging SSM bans makes its way to the SCOTUS.

re: Gay marriage lawsuit to be filed against the state of AlabamaPosted by DawgfaninCa on 6/30/13 at 6:53 pm to ballscaster

quote:We the People have rules, and We the People have to follow the rules.

And the Courts don't have the legal authority to make the rules. They can only interpret the rules and decide whether the rules are Constitutional.

Here in California, as well as in some other states, We, the people, can make the rules through the initiative process when our elected legislators refuse to make the rules We, the people, want them to make.

Unless a rule made by We, the people, though the initiative process is eventually ruled unconstitutional by the SCOTUS on legitimate grounds then a ruling by the SCOTUS that doesn't rule on the question but only allows the ruling of one lower court judge to overturn the will of the people is just going to add fuel to the fire.

re: Gay marriage lawsuit to be filed against the state of AlabamaPosted by SammyTiger on 6/30/13 at 7:02 pm to DawgfaninCa

quote:Unless a rule made by We, the people, though the initiative process is eventually ruled unconstitutional by the SCOTUS on legitimate grounds then a ruling by the SCOTUS that doesn't rule on the question but only allows the ruling of one lower court judge to overturn the will of the people is just going to add fuel to the fire.