berger?

I'm surprised! I wouldn't count on that every time though. I've seen them really come apart with little penetration. At any rate, good shooting and nice bull......Rich

Thanks Rich! Thankfully I have never had an issue. He was completely broadside at the top of a steep ridge. I wanted him down where he stood, not back to the bottom. So I took a center shoulder and he stood there for a few seconds and I gave him another. The bullets were 3" apart in the shoulder. Both made it through the far shoulder but did not exit. Both lungs were complete jello. He stumbled trying to turn and went down. The first one had him dead, but I was not taking a chance. As I said I wanted him down.

Through the shoulder and both hit ribs.

Far side where they both stopped after penetrating the second shoulder.

I did loose more meat than I like. But I find that consistant with most bullets placed like this. The good new is he was down and dead with no tracking or chance of a lost animal.

Thanks Rich! Thankfully I have never had an issue. He was completely broadside at the top of a steep ridge. I wanted him down where he stood, not back to the bottom. So I took a center shoulder and he stood there for a few seconds and I gave him another. The bullets were 3" apart in the shoulder. Both made it through the far shoulder but did not exit. Both lungs were complete jello. He stumbled trying to turn and went down. The first one had him dead, but I was not taking a chance. As I said I wanted him down.

Through the shoulder and both hit ribs.

Far side where they both stopped after penetrating the second shoulder.

I did loose more meat than I like. But I find that consistant with most bullets placed like this. The good new is he was down and dead with no tracking or chance of a lost animal.

Jeff

I'm sure THAT elk couldn't argue the effectiveness!
I plan on doing some bullet testing soon and will TRY to post the results on this site. Stay tuned......Rich

I really have come to believe that even the slightest change in bullet placement can have a huge effect on how any bullet preforms. Anymore, I choose the bullet that shoots the best in my rifle and I strive for better placement. A bad well placed bullet will preform much better than a good bullet poorly placed. So I go fo accuracy at all ranges, and most of the time it's a Berger.

I really have come to believe that even the slightest change in bullet placement can have a huge effect on how any bullet preforms. Anymore, I choose the bullet that shoots the best in my rifle and I strive for better placement. A bad well placed bullet will preform much better than a good bullet poorly placed. So I go fo accuracy at all ranges, and most of the time it's a Berger.

I shot two bucks and a doe last year (a whitetail, a blacktail, & a doe antelope) with a 168gr from my 7mm Rem Mag at 3065fps.

The blacktail was broadside at 65 yards. It was about a 175lb buck and I hit it high in the shoulder (probably a little too high) . The buck dropped in it's tracks flopped around a little and was drt by the time I walked up to it. After inspection of the would channel, I found the jacket hung up on the near side shoulder (weighed about 79grs). The remainder of the bullet pushed thru breaking the near side shoulder blade and fraging the top of the lungs and a little bit of the spine. I was a little disapointed in penetration but it was still a quick kill.

The whitetail I shot at 25 yards quartering to me. The bullet broke the near side shoulder and made jello of the lungs. The jacket was resting under the skin on the off side behind the shoulder. I can honestly say he was dead before he hit the ground. I've never seen anything go down so hard and fast.

The doe antelope I shot at 30 yards broadside behind the shoulder. She dropped in her tracks too. Bullet blew clean through breaking ribs on the way out. I've also taken a small black bear and an Antelope buck, both 200 yards with a 210gr in my 300RUM. They also dropped in their tracks.

I believe the VLD's are great for anything up to Elk size game, especially if you don't like tracking! Hope the info helps.