re: Does Obamacare mandate that a person without a job buy insurance?Posted by Scruffy on 3/29/12 at 4:14 pm to BRhuskyfan80

quote:"[The] term [applicable individual] shall not include any individual for any month if such individual has in effect an exemption described [below]... Religious Conscience Exemption - Such term shall not include any individual for any month if such individual has in effect an exemption which certifies that such individual is a member of a recognized religious sect or division thereof described in section 1402(g)(1) and an adherent of established tenets or teachings of such sect or division as described in such section...

Health Care Sharing Ministry - Such term shall not include any individual for any month if such individual is a member of a health care sharing ministry for the month. Individuals Not Lawfully Present - Such term shall not include an individual for any month if for the month the individual is not a citizen or national of the United States or an alien lawfully present in the United States.

Incarcerated Individuals - Such term shall not include an individual for any month if for the month the individual is incarcerated, other than incarceration pending the disposition of charges. Exemptions - No penalty shall be imposed... with respect to -

Individuals who cannot afford coverage - any applicable individual for any month if the applicable individual’s required contribution (determined on an annual basis) for coverage for the month exceeds 8 percent of such individual’s household income

Taxpayers with income under 100 percent of [the] poverty line

Members of Indian tribes

Months during short coverage gaps - any month the last day of which occurred during a period in which the applicable individual was not covered by minimum essential coverage for a continuous period of less than 3 months

Hardships—Any applicable individual who for any month is determined by the Secretary of Health and Human Services to have suffered a hardship with respect to the capability to obtain coverage under a qualified health plan."

re: Does Obamacare mandate that a person without a job buy insurance?Posted by NaturalBeam on 3/29/12 at 4:18 pm to BRhuskyfan80

quote:Or, I can just take your word for it, since you probably read a lot about it in chain emails.

I'd rather you not take my word for it - b/c just like Obama and the Congressmen who voted for it, I certainly didn't read it.

I'm just pointing out that bills would use positive language when available, rather than negative language. I haven't seen any language suggesting a distinction between employed and unemployed in the bill. So why would the language you are seeking even exist?

As far as I know, the bill covers everyone, minus those excepted. Didn't see anything about jobless people in the exception. Did you?

re: Does Obamacare mandate that a person without a job buy insurance?Posted by NaturalBeam on 3/29/12 at 4:25 pm to BRhuskyfan80

It doesn't offend me at all, I'm just answering the question. I don't see an exception for jobless folks. If you see it, I'd be more than willing to listen if you want to direct me to it. I'm a very open-minded person

re: Does Obamacare mandate that a person without a job buy insurance?Posted by BRhuskyfan80 on 3/29/12 at 4:27 pm to NaturalBeam

quote:It doesn't offend me at all, I'm just answering the question. I don't see an exception for jobless folks. If you see it, I'd be more than willing to listen if you want to direct me to it. I'm a very open-minded person

If you'd like to direct me to the portion of the bill that applies to jobless folks then go ahead and show me. I'd be interested in seeing that.

re: Does Obamacare mandate that a person without a job buy insurance?Posted by BRhuskyfan80 on 3/29/12 at 4:30 pm to Scruffy

Thanks Scruffy.

quote:Individuals who cannot afford coverage - any applicable individual for any month if the applicable individual’s required contribution (determined on an annual basis) for coverage for the month exceeds 8 percent of such individual’s household income Taxpayers with income under 100 percent of [the] poverty line

re: Does Obamacare mandate that a person without a job buy insurance?Posted by NaturalBeam on 3/29/12 at 4:42 pm to BRhuskyfan80

quote:If you'd like to direct me to the portion of the bill that applies to jobless folks then go ahead and show me. I'd be interested in seeing that.

Well that's my point - there is no such section. Because it doesn't exist. Because it doesn't care whether you have a job or not. If you'd like to think you're "winning" b/c I can't point to language that isn't there, then go ahead

re: Does Obamacare mandate that a person without a job buy insurance?Posted by jcole4lsu on 3/29/12 at 4:46 pm to Scruffy

quote:This may sound somewhat paranoid, but am I the only one who feels that this could cause an increase in unemployment?

If you are mandated to purchase health insurance if the monthly cost does not exceed 8% of your household income, why would people ever want to make enough money to where the cost may exceed 8%?

well CNN (of all people) already ran an article where a small business owner claimed he couldnt find reliable workers to work for market rate - unskilled labor, ~$10/hr - because unemployment in the area paid equal to that.

re: Does Obamacare mandate that a person without a job buy insurance?Posted by BRhuskyfan80 on 3/29/12 at 4:54 pm to NaturalBeam

quote:Well that's my point - there is no such section. Because it doesn't exist. Because it doesn't care whether you have a job or not. If you'd like to think you're "winning" b/c I can't point to language that isn't there, then go ahead