China: Five jihad/martyrdom suicide bombers carried out Urumqi attack

This Reuters report has the usual skepticism that always accompanies mainstream media reporting about the jihad in China: China is “blaming Islamists and separatists for the worsening violence,” as if because China is a repressive regime, it couldn’t possibly be experiencing jihad terror attacks.

(Reuters) – Five suicide bombers carried out the attack which killed 31 people in the capital of China’s troubled Xinjiang region, state media reported a day after the deadliest terrorist attack to date in the region.

The incident, which occurred in Urumqi on Thursday morning, was the second suicide attack in the capital in just over three weeks. A bomb and knife attack at an Urumqi train station in late April killed one bystander and wounded 79.

The government recently launched a campaign to strike hard against terrorism in Xinjiang, blaming Islamists and separatists for the worsening violence in the resource-rich western region bordering central Asia. At least 180 people have been killed in attacks across China over the past year.

The attackers ploughed two vehicles into an open market in Urumqi and hurled explosives. Many of the 94 people wounded were elderly shoppers, according to witnesses.

“Five suspects who participated in the violent terrorist attack blew themselves up,” the Global Times, a tabloid run by the People’s Daily, the official newspaper of the Chinese Communist Party, reported on Friday.

The newspaper said authorities “are investigating whether there were other accomplices”.

“Judging from the many terrorist attacks that have taken place and the relevant perpetrators, they have received support from terrorist groups outside China’s borders as well as religious extremist propaganda spread via the internet,” Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei said at a daily news briefing.

No group has claimed responsibility for Thursday’s attack.

Pan Zhiping, a retired expert on Central Asia at Xinjiang’s Academy of Social Science, said Thursday’s attack was the deadliest ever in the region.

He said the “terrorists” received training overseas from groups like the East Turkestan Islamic Movement (ETIM) and gained combat experience in Syria.

“They are now definitely organized and these small organizations are very tight,” Pan said. “If it’s not possible to crack a small organization, then I think this kind of thing will continue to happen.”…

The ETIM has been accused by the United States and China of having ties to al Qaeda, but there is disagreement among security experts over the nature of the group and whether ties with al Qaeda and other militant organizations really exist….

Yes, the media nudniks are often misleading about cause and effect. They seem to always assume that some injustice on the part of the regime caused the jihad.
This is what is known in logic as a cause-and-effect fallacy.
For example: The rooster crowing caused the sun to rise.

Times have certainly changed. In recently history, China has shown itself to crack down on students who dare stand in front of army tanks (remember that iconic photo), followers of certain martial arts/eastern philosophies in Hong Kong, everyone in Tibet, Christians nationwide, uncooperativeness with the Jews of Kaifeng, not being thrilled with North Korean illegals and of course the most horrific of all- Mao’s Cultural Revolution that left millions dead.

In the UK, the British Army had no problems establishing the presence of the Crown in Ulster as tanks and soldiers were everywhere in Northern Ireland in the 1970s and early ’80s. Then without hesitation the British Navy under Maggie Thatcher took on Argentina over the Falklands.

Leftists and pro-Marxists getting out of hand in West Germany and especially in West Berlin? Considering the potential danger with being surrounded by Soviet forces and Warsaw Pact militaries along it’s borders… the then capital city of Bonn (?) . West German riot police showed no fear going shoulder-to-shoulder against the rioters.

We see this play out with Canadians in 1970s Quebec, the Belgians and other European state in the 1980s, France thought it justified to sink a New Zealand boat in NZ waters, and NZ went after the French suspects without apology. I could give examples of Australia, Chile, Israel, Taiwan, India and other nations.

I know some of these states were dictatorships (China) and others democracies (UK). I also acknowledge a government trying to handle rioters out of control is different than arresting little Chinese grandmothers in Hong Kong public parks for doing their martial arts morning exercises and of course mass slaughter during the Mao’s madness.

The reason I mention these scenarios is that in “recent” memory these nations all stood up against (right or wrong or neutral) THEIR OWN CITIZENS… THEIR OWN PEOPLE WITH WHOM THEY SHARED IDEALS, HISTORY, LANGUAGE AND CULTURE/ETHNICITY.

The Anglo and Francophone Canadians differed in many ways- yet they were still Canadians. Christian Brit soldiers in Ulster dealt with fellow Christians whether they be Protestant or Catholic. West Berlin riot police spoke German just like the leftist rioters. The Maoist soldier hauling off a fellow Chinese in the 1960s to certain death… may have both had grandfathers united fighting the Japanese in WWII. France and New Zealand were allies in WWI, WWII, Korea and Vietnam (Yes, the French, NZers and Australians were there too).

My point- none of these societies blinked once after tangling (sometimes very harshly) with their own citizens or nations that were or were once allies. Also, in the case of Great Britain reclaiming the Falklands and Israel re-taking Jerusalem… these nations had NO qualms in taking back what they thought was theirs.

This was “recent memory”… the latter half of the 20th century. I COULD INCLUDE since there are still the elderly gray haired octogenarians who are still among us… that yes, in “recent memory” the world stood against Nazism, Italian Fascism, Japanese Imperialism AND Islamic Supremacism collaborating with the Axis.

This was the legacy of planet Earth. Then In the 21st century… 9/11, 7/7 and other things happen and an OLD ENEMY resurfaces with a blood thirsty vengeance. Islamic waves are let loose in Europe, Oceania, Africa, China and elsewhere. Russia and China become more “open” and embrace certain aspects of capitalism and other “Western values” (I’m not stating they are ideal in their national behavior). Eastern Europe is free. Many developing states continue to blossom and progress- Brazil, Taiwan, South Korea…

Good times for planet Earth? Ooops! Forgot about Islam.

French secret military operations that went after NZ can’t deport some twisted Islamic pedophile? Germans who beat the shit out of fellow Germans… cower when their own children are brutalized by Muslim mobs? Brits who pointed guns at fellow British subjects whether they be Catholic or Protestant… now let these same people go homeless and hungry while terrorists and their multiple wives and inbred brats live in luxurious mansions on the taxpayer’s shoulders.

And most of all… today’s Israel and China. Leftist Israelis whose own Jewish ancestors were expelled from Islamic lands and whose grandparents knew first hand that “Palestinians” are a fraudulent and fake ethnicity… NOW hold up signs in support of “Native Palestinians” to be given land “back to them” that NEVER belonged to them in the first place. And China… who flexed their muscle in the 1990s re-obtained Hong Kong and who acted like a bulldozer over eggshells in Tibet (and at least their were commonalities between mainland China, Tibet and Hong Kong)… now seem helpless over these Islamic monsters in their Western regions.

And the Russians! They who cracked down on Polish Solidarity, rolled tanks into Prague and whose gulags were full of ethnic Russians… now have Moscow being taken over ass-lifters and after the Islamic slaughter in the Russian theaters and schools… why isn’t Chechnya rubble?

Non-Islamic nations whether free or not free or in transition… all in the 20th century would clamp down on their own citizens, subjects, allies and kindred cultures… not to mention perceived or real enemies IF it was in their nation’s best interests. Now, they do the same thing… but only so that your lands, wealth and future can be given muslimes?

WTF WORLD!!!????!! I can’t help thinking of some elderly Brits I know. They helped stop Nazism, Global Communism and many times had to stand against their fellow British subjects. They have told me they did this so their grandchildren and great-grandchildren could have a future. Now, they are seeing the rapid Islamization of not just the British Isles, but of Europe as a whole. Is this what the sacrifices of the 20th century were for?

Times have certainly changed. In recently history, China has shown itself to crack down on students who dare stand in front of army tanks (remember that iconic photo), followers of certain martial arts/eastern philosophies in Hong Kong, everyone in Tibet, Christians nationwide, uncooperativeness with the Jews of Kaifeng, not being thrilled with North Korean illegals and of course the most horrific of all- Mao’s Cultural Revolution that left millions dead.

1. That fully grown man was not a student but whatever.

2. Did you know real anti-CCP human rights activists like Harry Wu have exposed the Falun Gong’s lies? If you haven’t bothered at looking up what Falun Gong really believe in, I suggest you do it now.

3. Do you know how tiny and insignificant the Kaifeng Jewish population is?

4. The CCP only crushes people against its rule, if you are a Tibetan and don’t support the Dalai Lama but practice Tibetan Buddhism and speak Tibetan the CCP just treats that person like any other ethnic minority, like the Zhuang or Mongols. The Zhuang in fact outnumber Tibetans by millions, but since they have no separatist movement they don’t get cracked down on. If you are a separatist you will get crushed.

5. You are confusing the death toll of the famine in the Great Leap Forward with the Cultural Revolution. In fact the Cultural Revolution was horrific not for deaths but because of the attacks on traditional culture, art, religion and society.

I respect Harry Wu and will look into his expose of Falun Gong. Because I learned a certain kind of very old QiGong I went to see the Falun Gong people out of interest. I was given the book associated with it and was shocked by the nonsense in it which seemed sinister.
HOWEVER: did Arjay mention Falun Gong?

You are of course right about the Great Leap Forward, which killed up to 30 million people. For anyone who doesn’t know, “Hungry Ghosts” by Jasper Becker is the book to read. I made my son read it, poor boy, but it taught him a lot.

The Quranic falsehoods the Islamic clerics so thoroughly brainwash into the hearts and minds of other into mind programing centers as the mosques and madrassas of a paradise with many virgins in it for Muslim who dies in the jihad for the cause of Islam , Sura 44:54. 55:56. 78:31. This is only of the many false doctrines of Islam which leads to much murder and mayhem. The coming of such false teachers as these imams and mullahs who very much indoctrinate this type of doctrine /fiction/ myth into the thoughts of others was predicted and explained in the Bible. Which reads “For the time is coming when [people] will not tolerate {endure} sond and wholesome instrruction, but having ears itching [for something pleasing and gratifying], they will gather to themselves one teacher after another to a considerable number, chosen to satisfy their own liking and to foster the errors they hold, and will turn aside from hearing the truth andwonder off into myths and man – made fictions.” Second Timothy 4:3,4. Furthermore, the man who started this all, Muhammad, was just one of the “many false prophets[who ]have gone forth in the world.” First John 4:1. Moreover, the false religion teachers as the imam and mullahs to teaches the Quran to others as the truth are accursed by God. Galations 1:6-9.

This Reuters report has the usual skepticism that always accompanies mainstream media reporting about the jihad in China: China is “blaming Islamists and separatists for the worsening violence,” as if because China is a repressive regime, it couldn’t possibly be experiencing jihad terror attacks.

No, your media only lies about terrorists in China, because your countries are opposed to China.

When anti-government groups in the Philippines fight against oppresion by the Philippine government, and launch attacks which kill dozens of Philippine military personnel, your media doesn’t report it.

Your media won’t report on the corruption of the Philippine police or military either and how they systematically prey in ethnic Chinese in ransom kidnappings and murders, or how the Philippine militart treats Moros and Lumads.

Your media will report on racism against Uyghurs in China, but not the systematic murders and cannibalism done by Filipino Christian civilians like the Ilaga militia, when they burned down Moro Mosques, and murdered and cannibalized Moro civilians after massacring Moro women and children.

Any sane person who heard of what the American backed Filipinos did to the Moros will vomit in revulsion.

Your governments don’t fund any Moro separatist groups or have your leaders shake hands with Moro human rights activists, oh no, somehow your government only feels the need to fund World Uyghur Congress and have Uyghur language broadcasting for Radio Free Asia while not having any of the same for Moros.

The rich Gulf Arabs use Filipina maids, all right–subjecting them to abuse, rape, and virtual slavery–not to mention confiscating their passports and denying them justice and fair wages — and the Phillipines government can’t help them.

You know the Philippines has an option called “stop sending the maids abroad” if they are upset about working conditons?

I didn’t know there were invisible tentacles yanking Filipinas out of the Philippines to involuntarily fling them into Arab countries.

The Arabs want the Filipina maids to keep coming, so they don’t upset the Philippine government by supporting Moro independence. There was even an agreement by Dictator Marcos to keep sending domestic helpers to Arab countries in exchange for not supporting a Moro state.

The last perpetrator has been caught, and judging from the pattern there will probably be an attack in a few days to come. They have declared war against the government, if the government is seriousto tackle this issue they should learn from israel how to set up check point in han majority area.

Israel’s checkpoints are directed at non-citizen Palestinians, residents of non-annexed parts of the West Bank.

Although Israel would love to, they are legally barred from checkpointing their own Israeli Arab citizens and treating them the same way as non-citizen Palestinians, but they disciminate against them in other ways.

Seeing as how Uyghurs are citizens of China and all of Xinjiang is legally part of China, your suggestion to copy Israel is pointless and completely irrelevant, since Israel cannot stop their own Arab citizens at checkpoints.

However, the Syrian government stops its own Arab citizens at checkpoints, seeing as its in the middle of a Civil War.

If you are going to make suggestions, don’t call them “Israeli style” because the majority of the world is against Israel and it will elicit a negative reaction.

Seeing as the majoriry of participants in civil wars all around the globe set up checkpoints, why are you putting a label on them? Russian separatists in Ukraine are setting up checkpoints against Ukrainians, Syrian Arab government is setting up checkpoints against its own Arab citizens, etc. there is no need to label it with an inflamatory label like “Israeli” since alot of people hate Israel.

”Although Israel would love to, they are legally barred from checkpointing their own Israeli Arab citizens and treating them the same way as non-citizen Palestinians, but they disciminate against them in other ways”

Below is a quote from the Wikipedia page you linked to; do you actually **read** your links ?

”Most of the Arabs living in East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights, occupied by Israel in the Six-Day War of 1967 and later annexed, were offered Israeli citizenship, but most have refused, not wanting to recognize Israel’s claim to sovereignty. They became permanent residents instead.[12] **They have the right to apply for citizenship, are entitled to municipal services, and have municipal voting rights**” (my emphasis: Mirren)

In what way is this ‘discrimination’ ?

You also say:

”If you are going to make suggestions, don’t call them “Israeli style” because the majority of the world is against Israel and it will elicit a negative reaction”

and,

”Seeing as the majoriry of participants in civil wars all around the globe set up checkpoints, why are you putting a label on them? Russian separatists in Ukraine are setting up checkpoints against Ukrainians, Syrian Arab government is setting up checkpoints against its own Arab citizens, etc. there is no need to label it with an inflamatory label like “Israeli” since alot of people hate Israel.”

Can you not see the utter illogic of your comment ?

The people who ‘hate Israel’ are anti-Semite mohammedans like yourself, all other anti-Semites, leftards, apologists for islam, and self-hating leftist Jews.

How are the Hui distinctively Chinese? Well, the same way the followers of another Middle Eastern religion in that country, the Christians are (and this is a population to which I am personally close); or followers of the South Asian Buddhist religion are. They share the general cultural traditions descending from the ancient Hua Xia culture of the North China Plain, and use Sinitic languages for day to day purposes and share most non-cultic customs of the Han Chinese (the majority group).

Suggest to a Hui that his religion makes him non-Chinese, and he will retort, “So, only the Daoists are real Chinese?”

The Hui weren’t even an “ethnic group” until Communist rule. Under the Republic, “Hui” had a strictly religious connotation in intramural China, and an educated Hui would have no problem seeing himself as a Han of the Muslim religion; and hence a “civilized man” compared to a Mongol, a Zhuang, a Hmong, Yi, or even his Turkic coreligionist further west. Indeed, Hui in Taiwan tend to think of themselves as Han by language, ethnicity, and culture while “Hui” (Muslim) in religion–unless they’re of the handful of Uighurs or Salar who made their way to Taiwan after 1949 (a very small minority-within-am-minority in Taiwan).

Complicating things: There’s a Christian singer in China named Lu Xiaomin (Sister Ruth in English). Because her family were originally Muslim peasants in Henan (the ancient heartland of Chinese civilization on the Yellow River), she is a Hui on her ID card, even though she has not been a Muslim in any sense since her teen years, when an Aunt taught her about Jesus Christ.

The majority of Hui speak no language well save Mandarin. Some know English as a second language, and the devout may have a few stock phrases of Arabic. A few on the Southeast Coast speak various forms of Min or Wu (other Sinitic languages).

Hui cuisine reflects the areas of China where they live, save for the absence of pork, other non-halal animals, and blood.

By contrast, the Uighur speak a language that is more like Uzbek or Turkish than like Chinese, and are culturally closer to Central Asia and Persia than to the Han Chinese.

In both Taiwan and the Mainland, Hui see themselves as “naturally” part of the Chinese state. Dissident Hui in the Mainland do not seek a separate country, but struggle for a Chinese state that allows greater religious freedom and an end to the Communist monopoly of power. Hence, they may ally with non-Muslims dissidents for the political reform of the Chinese state. In contrast, Uighur dissidence seeks political separation from China and a tilt towards Islamic lands to the west and south.

When granted religious freedom, Hui see no problem with Chinese patriotism. This was especially marked during the war with Japan. Most practicing Muslims in Taiwan (other than Indonesian Guest Workers) descend from Nationalist soldiers from Shandong, Henan, and Yunnan rather than from Xinjiang; and tend to be rather proud of family traditions of military service for the Republic of China.

In northern Thailand, the Yunnan Hui who settled there (Jin Haw Isalan) see themselves as culturally closer to non-Muslim Yunnan Chinese than to Malays or South Asians.

The Hui are basically the proof that Muslims and non-Muslims can peacefully co-exist (most of the time, if you will include various Hui revolts during the tumultuous 19th century, but they weren’t religiously inspired) and exist in a mutually beneficial relationship. The Hui, at least traditionally, have given up on trying to proselytize, go on Jihad against the Kafirs (except when ordered to by their nation-state, as in the Second Sino-Japanese War), and instead have a proud record of military service in the state within which they live, being some of the best soldiers in their country for centuries.

The Hui are essentially the Chinese trump card against fundamentalist Islam, in that they’re happy, well-adjusted Muslims who have a strong accommodation with their host society, to a degree that you don’t even see in the United States. One of their chief functions is as ambassadors for the Chinese in dealing with Islamic countries, and whenever the Ummah starts ranting about what the Chinese are doing to the Uighurs the Hui exist to shut them up. The key for the Chinese is to make sure that no one manages to radicalize the Hui (which is now a threat, as the reintegration of the Hui into the global community now allows radical ideas to spread among the Hui population) and that the Hui continue to contribute in getting Muslim fundamentalists to leave them alone and go screw with China’s rivals instead.

To be frank, you’d be sort of jealous of having the Hui as an ethnic minority, given that they tend to be almost entirely upside and almost no downside.

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