Waaaay Overpriced when compared to the old Radeon 5770's which you can buy for next to nothing these days and then overclock them, Amazing how much the mid range and low-end have stood still in terms of performance for the last couple of generations.Reply

Toms appear to have tested the 650 and it's about the same level as the 7750, but a good 20% or so behind the 7770. Still, different test environments and different test suites yield different test results. You can definitely say a couple of things though - the 650 is going to be quiet and frugal, and a big step up from the 450.Reply

How would the 650 compare to the 560 SE. Both of them fall in my price range. Does 192 bit help the 560? The 650 is clocked higher at 1124mhz vs 776mhz 560. It also has more cores at 384 vs 288. There are some AMD 7770 in my price range, I could go with that too. So out these 3 which one would be the best? My MAX price is 130. Plan on buying it this weekend.Reply

Get the GTX650. Also, wait a bit before the prices settle. A week or two should do.

If any two Nvidia/AMD cards are around the same performance and price levels, it's always better to get the Nvidia card. That's mainly because of traditionally better drivers, better game support and overall customer support on Nvidia's side. AMD still needs to work on that. If that doesn't matter anything to you, then I'd go for any of the cards.Reply

the 650 is 20% slower than the 7770... actually its even a tad slower than the 7750. Although depending on the game choice this might fluctuate. There is absolutely no reason to buy a 650 for the price they are set above. Reply

Yeah when I first saw the guy above you's post I was trying to post from my phone desperately "DON'T LISTEN DDD:"

Thanks for making me feel better that not all hope was lost.

NVidia dropped the ball on midrange, here. The 650 seems about in line with the 5770 I got nearly two years ago, which is absolutely ridiculous, given that I got it for a nearly-comparable price. Two years ago.

I would go with a 7750 or 7770 if you think you might XF (CF?) later. It seems like most 7750s can OC the difference to a 7770 anyways, if you find you need the performance.Reply

I am very late, but HD7770 is the best choice. The shaders on the gtx560se run attwice the speed of the rest of the chip, but a hd7770 is faster now than at launchthanks to new drivers and overclocks like crazy. The gtx650 has lots of OCingheadroom too, but it performs worse than hd7750 at stock speeds( the gtx 650 needsthat pcie 6pin to stretch its legs). The performance of stock HD7770 at launch and astock gtx560se would be about the same(again, HD7770 is faster now than then andhas a lot more overclocking headroom). Oh, yeah. Of course gtx560se is faster thangtx650(when they are at stock speeds), but HD7770 is faster than both(at stock, muchfaster when overclocked).

Don't bother with crossfire, though(support is not universal and you risk experiencingmicro stuttering). Just get the HD7770 and overclock the snot out of it. Physx is veryniche, and you can pretty much make a radeon do anything else a geforce can do.Reply

In my opinion, it seems like performance for a ~$100 card really has not increased all that much since a few years ago. Power consumption and noise has seen tremendous progress, dont get me wrong, but pure progress has been slow. I bought a gts250 in I believe March of 2010, possibly earlier, for 90 bucks. I'd love to upgrade, for a max of around 130 bucks, but based off of testing for the 7770/50 and the gtx650 (only seen tomshardware's review so far on the 650), I am left out in the cold with no real "upgrade" option. Only sidegrades to less power/noise. Really hope a generation soon will change this.Reply

Welcome to the future.I think a lot of companies are realizing that they have reached the satisfy-able 'minimum' for customers at the low end. Proceeding generations will see smaller size, smaller heat sinks and fanless systems, less overall power usage, and the inclusion of newer standards and formats as they come out, but raw performance may not see much increase on the low end until new consoles come out. And even then we will see a boost in the minimum for a few years, and then it will level off.Meanwhile, the high end of things will continue to see growth with minimal price increases, which means that you will get and ever increasing !/$ on mid-range cards.

The only thing that will really push the low end cards out of this quagmire will be whenever (if ever) onboard GPUs catch up to these performance levels.Reply