Open Thread 10/14

– Sometimes you read a story about a new policy and you have a tough time with the fact that it’s actually a new policy because it’s so blindingly obvious that it should have been happening for years. Law Enforcement Assisted Diversion is one of those for me.

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Funny, when I wrote this earlier today, I didn’t realize I was echoing the much more elegant thereisnospoon over at Digby’s place.

A sample (read the whole thing):

In modern times, the elite rulers Agamemnon and Priam have joined forces to steal all the wealth of the Greeks and Trojans together, then sail away to offshore havens in contempt of divine or terrestrial justice. And they have raised a deluded army of soldiers who have swapped out their boar’s tusk helmets for tri-cornered hats, willing to wish them Zeus-speed so long as they can remain, in their squalor, superior to their helot slaves.

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Liberal Scientist thinks that concentrated power and wealth should be met with suspicion, not adorationspews:

The funniest thing over the last couple of weeks in the world of politics is no longer the Republican Presidential nomination, which for several months in a row has been the best sitcom on TV. But the building panic from conservatives about Occupy Wall Street has replaced the presidential race as the most delightful show to watch. Eric Cantor is talking about mobs in the street, and Glenn Beck is doing maybe his best meltdown ever (and that’s saying something, because Beck has had some doozies). Conservatives by the truckload are freaking out all over the place.

What makes it even more fun for me is that their panic exactly echoes the kind of panic conservatives have always shown about the idea of democracy and taking on the monied interests throughout American history. In my book on the history of the American political debate, The Progressive Revolution: How the Best in America Came to Be, I discussed how conservatives throughout our history have always echoed each other on these subjects no matter what the era. Here’s a sampling:

1.Written in 1776 by a pro-British Anglican Bishop: “If I must be enslaved let it be by a King at least, and not by a parcel of upstart lawless Committeemen. If I must be devoured, let me be devoured by the jaws of a lion, and not gnawed to death by rats and vermin.”

2.In the 1790s, friend of the big New York bankers of his day Alexander Hamilton was at a dinner party, and yelled at a pro-democracy advocate: “Your people, sir – your people is a great beast.” An ally of Hamilton’s wrote: “A democracy is scarcely tolerable at any period of natural history. Its omens are always sinister. … It is always on trial here, and the issue will be civil war, desolation, and anarchy. No wise man but discerns its imperfections, no good man but shudders at its miseries. No honest man but proclaims its frauds, and no brave man but draws his sword against its farce.”

3.In the 1830s, conservative hero John C. Calhoun (who first forged the bond between the idea of states’ rights and conservative politics) wrote: “The will of the majority is the will of a rabble. Progressive democracy is incompatible with liberty.”

4.In the post-Civil War era, where the right-wing philosophy of Social Darwinism reigned supreme, conservatives were distressed about the idea of poor and working people voting and then taking from the rich. Charles Adams wrote, “Universal suffrage can only mean in plain English, the government of ignorance and vice – it means a European, and especially Celtic, proletariat on the Atlantic Coast; an African proletariat on the shores of the Gulf, and a Chinese proletariat on the Pacific.” And his contemporary Francis Parkman added, “There is probably no sweeter experience in the world than that of a penniless laborer … when he learns that by casting his vote in the right way, he can strip the rich merchant … of a portion of his gains.”

5.These anti-democratic sentiments certainly did not cease in the modern era — all you have to do is look at all the Republican efforts to deny the right to vote to so many citizens to understand that. And their fears of demonstrators are vivid. Look at this quote, which certainly reflected the views of people in power like Nixon and J. Edgar Hoover, from conservative author Samuel Huntington in a report he wrote in the 1970s: “Some of the problems of governance in the United States today stem from an excess of democracy. … A democratic political system usually requires some measure of apathy and non-involvement on the part of some individuals and groups.”

From the anti-American Revolution Tories of the 1770s to the Glenn Beck/Eric Cantor conservatives of today, conservatives always have been on the side of the wealthiest and most powerful in society, and always have been absolutely panic stricken when people get out in the streets to protest the abuses of the rest of us by the economic elites. Conservatives don’t like democracy; they don’t want the poor or the young or people of color to vote; they don’t like demonstrators raising hell about the powers that be. The panic by these conservatives is, as I said at the beginning of this post, as funny as can be: you can’t make up stuff as genuinely unhinged as Glenn Beck’s reaction to Occupy, he is far funnier than any satire of him could be. More importantly, though, the reactions of these conservatives — so like the reactions of conservatives throughout American history who have been on the wrong side of every big issue — give reassurance that the folks at Occupy Wall Street are on the right side of history.

Texas First Lady Anita Perry says that her husband is being persecuted by the media and the Republican establishment “because of his faith.”

“It’s been a rough month,” Anita Perry told supporters at North Greenville University Thursday. “We’ve been brutalized, eaten up and chewed up in the press.”

“After Rick had won being elected for the governorship for the third time in Texas, there was a nagging, a pulling at my heart for him to run for president,” she recalled. “You know what we have no leadership in Washington. We have nobody to guide our country… God was already speaking to me, but he didn’t want to hear it… He felt like he needed to see the burning bush. I said, ‘Look, let me tell you something. You may not see that burning bush but there are people who see that burning bush for you.”

Anita Perry continued: “So he truly felt like he was called to do this. We still feel called to do this. We are being brutalized by our opponents in our own party. So much of that is, I think they look at him because of his faith.”

“Someone came up to Rick and handed him a scripture and said, ‘Rick, I want to tell you, God is testing you right now. God is testing you because he wants you to know when you are in the White House, how you got there.”

Rick Perry: I’m Being Attacked by Other Republicans Because I’m a Christian

By: Blue Texan Friday October 14, 2011 10:30 am

Wow. I didn’t think the Secessionists could get any whinier after Anita cried about how mean everyone was being to her husband the other day.

I was wrong.

“We are being brutalized by our opponents and our own party. So much of that is, I think they look at him, because of his faith. He is the only true conservative — well, there are some true conservatives. And they’re there for good reasons. And they may feel like God called them too. But I truly feel like we are here for that purpose.” […]

“I’ll stand by my wife. I think she’s right on both cases. My understanding is that she said I’m the most conservative candidate in the race and ‘he’s a Christian.’ So I haven’t got anything I can add to that and she’s hit me on my mark both times there,” the governor said.

Right, because being an Evangelical Christian is a such barrier to winning the Republican nomination. Are they serious with this crap?

Keep in mind, too, that one of the Secessionist’s backers just called Mitt Romney a cultist and that he’s one of the biggest political trash-talkers on the planet.

This is the big leagues, Secessionists. If you can’t stand the heat, get the hell out of the kitchen.

And although many bring guns to Tea Party meetings, they are just being patriotic, where any intimations of force/violence from the dirty but unarmed hippies at OW is cause for grave concern.

I was thinking that we should start a “Liberals with Guns” group – or “Hippies with Guns”. I don’t own a gun, and think that the gun/penis fetish is a corrosive force on American society, but I can shoot. I was on the rifle team in high school (my high school back in Missouri has both the largest pool hall in the state, and a rifle range in the basement!) and I was an NRA DX (‘distinguished expert’) by 15.

Image how the media/echo chamber/Teahaddists would FREAK OUT if a bunch of DFHs showed up in public exercising their 2nd Amendment rights packing M4s.

The straw polls (and polling) so far show Romney staying fairly constant at around a quarter of the Republican vote (23% to 25%). The other candidates fortunes ebb and flow as the anti-Romney Republicans search for ANY viable candidate. That’s why there were the` desperate pleas for Christie to enter the race.

As for the poll leaders, first it was Bachman, then it was Perry, now it’s Cain. Each enters the scene like a roman candle, heading quickly upwards in the polls highlighted by a trail of brightly-colored sparks, only to quickly reach a zenuth, give one last little “pop”, and drop back to the ground. They give and take votes from each other, but none seem able to poach from Romney’s base.

The problem for the Republicans is that their Evangelical base is going to have a REALLY HARD time supporting Romney. They’ve preached (literally) for years how important it was to have a devout Christian in the White House, and they don’t consider Mormonism to be a Christian religion. They also insisted that their candidate must have the appropriate Pro-Life credentials, but Romeny has trouble in that area, too. If the Evangelicals DO turn around and support Romney after he becomes the nominee, they will have to completely turn their backs on some 30 years of their “values” in order to do so, and just admit at that point that their justifications were just smoke and mirrors, that they really are just voting for Republicans based on party labels.

Note that up until this past week, Perry and Bachman pretty much had the Evangelical wing cornered between the two of them, with about 10% of the Republican vote each. Combined, this is within striking distance of Romney. If one or the other drops out and makes a deal to swing their support over to the other, then Romney might have a problem.

If Cain somehow overcomes all the other obsticles and becomes the nominee, they will have a similar problem with the racist componant within their own party. I’ve never said that a majority of Republicans are racists, but I HAVE said that the Republicans are more than happy to bring racists into their “big tent”, and feed their fears and bigotry if it buys their support.

If Cain is the nominee, it means a small percentage of the Republican party will simply choose not to vote when it becomes the race is between two black men.

While wingers wring their hands and tear their hair out (see, e.g., “pudge” on Stefan’s sucky little cross-town blog), the Occupy movement goes viral, spreading to hundreds of cities in dozens of countries across the globe. Looks like the proletariat is mad as hell and isn’t going to take it anymore. And polls show they have far more support than the Teahadists do.

Roger Rabbit Commentary: As I posted last night, the first casualty of the Occupy tidal wave will be millionaire take-home pay: This is a political backlash against the excesses of the wealthy class and there is now unstoppable momentum for a millionaire tax increase — in the last few days it has become inevitable that the rich will pay higher taxes.

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Liberal Scientist thinks that concentrated power and wealth should be met with suspicion, not adorationspews:

@21 So, so sad that the money guy that the Party poo-bahs (more money guys) like just couldn’t be a goddam Presbyterian, or something. He had to be a fuckin’ Mormon. In the end, they will all close ranks, cause a magic-underwear wearin’ Mormon spouting Christian-y platitudes trumps a socialist Kenyan Witch Doctor any day.

Well, if your religion essentially says that all other religions are cults and people push back against this claim, then one could reasonably argue that you’re being attacked for your religion. You simply have to ignore the fact that your religion manages to attack everyone else for their religion.

The Luxembourg Wealth Study shows the United States is by far the most unequal developed country with the top 1 per cent of Americans owning 33 per cent of the nation’s wealth.

Australia and New Zealand are not part of the study, but a 2006 Statistics NZ survey found the top 1 per cent of New Zealanders owned 16 per cent of our wealth, higher than every country in the study except the United States and Sweden.

Sweden has a wealth concentration problem??? How could this be? According to the likes of our degenerate right wing trolls Sweden might as well be a COMMUNIST COUNTRY! LMAO!!

@19 LOL… Black Rifle Disease… The righties seem to think that owning a gun that looks just the ones soldiers use not only “supports the troops,” but makes them one of the troops as well. You know, just incase Bellevue turns into fallujah over night. The righties will totally have it covered until the troops arrive.

The gun owning hippies I know seem to prefer lever-actions in .30-30 and .357.

# 19: The right-wingers would be surprised at how many of us know how to shoot. I was in my first marksmanship competition at age eight, and at age fifteen I was a marksman on the M-14 in JRTC. I’ve shot a wide variety of rifles and shotguns, but pistols never interested me much. And don’t forget that Roger Rabbit and quite a few other veterans are liberals who know how to handle an M16 and other assorted implements of destruction.

I’ve never been in favor of abolition of an individual’s right to own guns, I just believe in reasonable regulations. For home safety, you don’t want a rifle or a pistol, you want a shotgun – that way the stray rifle bullet doesn’t go through the walls and kill the neighbors. Even so, the odds are more likely that the gun will be stolen from you while you aren’t at home, or taken from you before you can shoot, or you will end up killing your own kids, or your kid’s teenage friends sneaking in or out of the house after hours.

And if anybody really needs an automatic assault rifle with 200 rounds to hunt wild game, they obviously don’t have the requisite marksmanship skills needed to be a hunter, and should just stay home and watch the hunting shows in TV while drinking beer.

My final item in this morning’s news roundup involves this MSNBC story about Harrisburg, Pennsylvania filing for municipal bankruptcy.

Harrisburg is the state capital and similar in size to Olympia — about 46,000 people. The town fathers opted for Chapter 9 bankruptcy to fend off a threatened state takeover — that’s like our goveror or legislature seizing control of Olympia’s city government — and the people there are having none of it.

Here’s why the city is mired in debt:

“The cash-strapped state capital of 46,000 people is mired in debt of more than $300 million, including $83 million in past due payments, much of it stemming from the construction of an incinerator.”

This is bullshit. Mrs. Rabbit and I deserve more — immensely more — credit for the city and county’s recycling programs than Royer does. The truth is that Royer wanted to build a giant waste-to-energy plant (i.e., incinerator) in South Seattle, of the sort that bankrupted Harrisburg, and was a bitter opponent of recycling. Seattle and King County have recycling programs because they were shoved down Royer’s unwilling throat.

In case you don’t remember Royer, he was a local TV news personality before he became a politician (sound familiar?) and eventually became Seattle’s longest-serving mayor (3 terms, 12 years) before trotting off to some Harvard think tank.

Seattle’s recycling program was born at a kitchen table in a south Seattle home. There were 8 people sitting around that table, and two of them had long pointy pink ears. In short order, a 9th person joined that group — the now-legendary “honorary mayor of Fremont”, Armen Stepanian, whose face graces the dog in Fremont’s “Waiting For The Interurban” sculpture. Mrs. Rabbit and I knew Armen well, because he worked with our group throughout the five or six years that we fought the battle to stop Charlie Royer’s incinerator.

To stop that incinerator from being built, we had to come up with an alternative. Someone sitting at that table — I no longer remember who — spoke the word “recycling.” That was the moment when Seattle’s recycle program was born. King County later followed behind Seattle’s example.

Our tiny group of neighborhood residents recruited a community group known as the Southeast Seattle Community Association (or something like that; these events occurred over 30 years ago and I no longer remember all the details). They had a couple of paid full-time staffers who were trained activists. Their help in organizing the pro-recycling campaign was invaluable. They also helped get the big environmental groups and other large grassroots activist groups the cause.

It took tons of hard work. Mrs. Rabbit and I, and other activists, spent five years attending meetings, doorbelling, going to public hearings, lobbying public officials, etc., on an almost daily basis. It was a gargantuan effort that consumed our free time for years on end. But it was worth it, because we won.

Believe me when I say Royer did not want recycling. He wanted his incinerator. City Hall was dead-set opposed to our recycling campaign. We won because recycling was such an obviously good idea — and the incinerator was such an obviously bad idea — that once we got the ball rolling it became an irresistible force.

To put our 1980 – 1986 recycling campaign in perspective, at that time no large U.S. city had a recycling program. This was an experimental idea. We took our model from Sweden. In those early days, we organized our effort around an optimistic target of someday recycling 28% of Seattle’s residential and commercial trash. Nobody thought we would ever get to 35%. But today Seattle’s recycling rate is approaching 54% and city officials say the city will reach 60% within a few years.

To put this accomplishment in perspective, Seattle was the first major city in the U.S. to institute a large-scale recycling program. Seattle is the model and leader for all other U.S. cities when it comes to municipal recycling. All of this happened because of eight ordinary citizens. Those six people and two rabbits are the godfathers and godrabbits of all U.S. municipal recycling — it began with us.

I’m telling this story because of the obvious parallel to what is now happening in public squares across the U.S. and around the world. What we did to Charlie Royer’s incinerator 30 years ago, the Occupy protesters are now attempting to do to the culture of corporate greed that has swamped our society and is drowning 99% of our citizens. Sometimes a handful of people can start a revolution that changes history and reshapes society. It’s been done before. It can work this time, too.

30 – Again thank you for service to our country and our community Roger Rabbit..

But it did take 5 years of concentrated effort from a much younger bunny and you didn’t accomplish it by raising hell in a park – you went door to door. You worked every single day to effect the change you wanted.

These young people raising hell in parks have to be willing to make that kind of commitment.

19, 27, 31 — Anyone with a credit card can acquire a gun and bring it to a Teaparty meeting for “show and tell.” That doesn’t mean shit in a war.

I can’t pass a military physical — they don’t take 30-inch tall rabbits with lousy eyesight. It took some fast talking to persuade the Army to take me. Because of that I only served in the U.S. military twice. After Vietnam, I did a stint in the active Army Reserve, where my job was “infantry weapons instructor.” I taught recruits and ROTC cadets how to use their individual weapons in a firefight.

Anyone capable of connecting dots — even a stupid wingnut — ought to be able to draw a couple of obvious conclusions from this. First, I’m not a pacifist. Second, fucking with me might not be a real good idea for folks whose knowledge of combat is limited to pulling a credit card out of their wallet in a pawn shop or gun store.

@32 Yes, you don’t change an entrenched system by spending a couple of evenings standing on a street corner waving signs and shouting at passing motorists. Demonstrations have a role in mass movements but ultimately you’ve got to win hearts and minds and turn it into concrete action at the ballot box.

I hope the Occupy movement morphs into what capitalists might refer to as a “restructuring” of our political and economic systems. When power and wealth have concentrated too much, and the abuses and excesses of the rich and powerful have gone too far, that’s what is needed. Far from being anti-capitalist, this type of renewal is an integral part of the free-market system and is essential to capitalism’s survival. A century ago, when monopolies got too big and powerful, popular outcry led to the government breaking them up. What followed was a burst of innovation and growth. Today’s ossified economy needs the same kind of restructuring. Corruption and cronyism are now so deeply entrenched, and a tiny cabal of corporatists and money manipulators are taking so much of the nation’s output for themselves, that we now need the same kind of fundamental restructuring of the economy and society. It’s time, once again, to break up the great fortunes and the power they exercise, and to return control over America’s wealth to those who create it: America’s workers.

This obviously will be a long-term project requiring immense effort by countless people. But it’s been done before, and it can be done again. We’re still a democracy, and it works because, at the end of the day, you have the same number of votes at the ballot box that Charlie Koch or Larry Fink does.

@31 I wonder if that fat slob Breitbart has ever thought about what a fat juicy target his pus-gut is? I mean, how could you miss, at any range below 100 meters? And if he’s close enough to get in your face, hell, just offer to give him a 12-gauge liposuction and you’ll see what he’s really made of.*

* Heh! Just kidding! This is a wingnut joke. Personally, I think wingnut jokes are funny as hell! I like wingnut jokes. If you want to get serious, every wingnut knows we liberals are all pacificists and wouldn’t even pull the wings off a butterfly. Torturing helpless insects is something only tough guys like them do for amusement.

How terrifying is it to the typical right wing zombie cretin that the result of social movements like OWS might be higher taxes on the rich and the tax dodging corporations so that the stupid wars and the fancy military hardware they cheered for on Faux News might one day be paid for.

@50 Indeed – he is very talented. The two on the far right on the top row – same dam, different vantage as the photo you posted. Apparently it was very difficult for him to get permission from the Park Service to go into the gorge to get to where he painted those.

This story really opens my eyes. I had no idea of what was going on. I’ll bet you didn’t either. But now, having seen this story, I finally understand that America is rising in full-scale revolt against our dishonest and corrupt financial system that enriches 1% at the expense of the 99%, and this revolution is now inevitable.

Roger Rabbit Commentary: Because schools make money from these debit cards. So does Mastercard. The students are the victims. Here’s how the scam works:

“Bechtol complained last spring that school was forcing him to obtain a debit card issued by financial firm Higher One, and that his personal information would be shared with the company. … Higher One works with hundreds of schools to create combination student ID cards/debit cards that can be used for direct deposit of financial aid funds. … There have been frequent complaints that the school cards carry higher fees than traditional ATM cards.”

Not only that, but if students try to avoid these ripoff fees by not using the cards, they get hit with a $19 “non-use” fee.

This college kid got banned from the campus for two semesters for posting a comment on Facebook critical of the school’s policy of forcing its students to get these cards.

If these thin-skinned school administrators had tried to pull this kind of shit on my generation they would have Molotov cocktails flying through their office windows. Some of the baby boomers blew up buildings for less than this. (See, e.g., Bill Ayers & Co.)

Now why aren’t the wingers who complain about being forced to buy health insurance rising up in arms against colleges that force students to get and use high-fee debit cards as a condition of being allowed on campus?

Think about it: A debit card is now embedded in your student ID card. You are required to use this debit card to access your financial aid. But you are charged an exorbitant fee if you use it, and you are charged an exorbitant fee if you don’t use it, and you are expelled from school and banned from campus if you criticize it.

I’m having a hard time understanding why our campuses aren’t smoldering ruins. Why is there still a single building standing at colleges that do this to their students? Is this generation of college students a bunch of pussies? This is what going to college in the Sixties looked like:

It’s the same victim card the puddypussy (and everett, and emperor max-minidick, and troll annd all the rest) plays. Nothing is ever their fault, they are responsible for nothing.

10/14/2011 AT 10:45 AM

ummm, wrong loser boy…you must be projecting again.

I am responsible for my own success, both professionally and privately. I dont need handouts or to blame others for any setbacks I might have, unlike you and the rest of the losers down on westlake do.

good or bad, success or setback, I make my own way. You on the other hand, are a fucking loser, sycophant, and someone who cant live without the handouts of others….you live off my table-scraps – and you should be thankful that you even get that.

now run along and strum that banjo down on westlake, maybe you will make a few pennies if you throw your hat on the ground.

“Did anyone else get a bunch of credit card spam in their CVCC inbox today? So, did CVCC sell our names to banks, or did Higher One? I think we should register CVCC’s address with every porn site known to man. Anyone know any good viruses to send them?” he wrote, according to the letter FIRE published.

Yep, that got him kicked off campus for two semesters, delaying his graduation by a full year.

I know perfectly well that our entire society has degenerated into a corrupt crony system for the personal profit of a handful of utterly dishonest people who are devoid of conscience or scruples. I’m also aware that the college financial aid system has turned into a gigantic money-printing machine for greedy banksters — as of today, student loan debt exceeds credit card debt in the U.S.

Think about this: You’re told you can’t succeed in this country without a degree. You’re financially exploited at every step of getting that degree. But after you graduate, there are no jobs, just bill collectors on your doorstep trying to collect those high-interest student loans that are just a good deal for the greedy banksters and such a bad deal for you.

I know where the Occupy movement is going. The ultimate result of this political revolution is going to be a massive writeoff of overpriced loans that never should have been written in the first place. That’s what it’s going to take to save the U.S. economy, and if it doesn’t get done in bankruptcy courts because special interests have gotten a corrupt Congress to make these loans non-bankruptable, then they’re going to get written off in the streets. One way or another, the financial class that got rich by skinning the populace are going to get skinned themselves.

@62 The corporations get free money from us, so why shouldn’t we get free money back from them? Why should money be free only for the freeloading class? Why shouldn’t it be free for everyone? If you do it for one person, you have to do it for all.

@66 Freedom is not free. Apparently neither are student ID cards. I do think when colleges force you to sign up for overpriced financial services you don’t want as a condition of attending school — which employers have made a condition of getting a job — it’s time to water the tree of liberty, as the wingers like to say.

last I checked, going to college was a voluntary activity….maybe all these kids complaining about getting student loan in order to get a drama degree or anthro degree or underwater basket weaving degree should just, like, drop out n shit

I say free tuition to veterans..the rest of the kids can go fuck off and pay for school the old fashioned way – by getting a job or by having mom and dad pay for it or get a scholarship

Remember a few years back when one of the day-labor places started to issue pay in the form of debit cards? The problem was, you had to pay a fee for each withdrawal. The state stopped them, pointing out that state law requires payment in U.S. funds, and that the debit fees effectively put their pay at below the minium wage.

That’s a pretty old state law – it goes back to the 1920’s, I believe, and was designed to outlaw the payment of wages in “company script” redeemable only at the company store.

@70 That’s both really stupid and a fairly representative example of what passes for thought on the right these days. Thanks.

Btw, have you noticed that, if you go by his record as governor, the guy that’s going to be running for president representing the right half of the political spectrum is the same as or maybe a little to the left of Obama?

For blockheads like “pudge” and Mark Griswold who can’t divine what Occupy is about, this might help:

“Americans had become shockingly complacent in the face of outrageous inequality and injustice, seeming to defend the special rights of yacht-owning ‘job creators’ while swallowing the notion that millions of our fellow citizens can be both working and poor. …

“That we’re now having a public debate about inequality and the ugly road to nowhere on which many hardworking Americans are traveling suggests that, whatever Occupy’s ultimate agenda, the process of movement building — the fact of its existence — may be its essential point.

“Social movements spring up not to achieve narrow policy goals but to shift the broader public debate, mobilizing public will toward change.

“Polls show this movement’s message against corporate greed not only has wider support than either political party in Washington but wider support than the tea party. ‘Occupy’ protests are springing up in unlikely places, from Idaho to Indiana, and drawing unlikely protesters like soccer moms, small-business owners and, yes, tea party members. That you’re even reading this column is evidence the protests are making a mark.”

For those too clueless to understand why the OWS people are on the street around the country, here’s your answer. It’s not just about the greed and selfishness of the banks, but the greed and selfishness of the corporate world. It should be an embarrassment to everyone in Congress and the White House that 14.5% of the population had difficulty with feeding their family. How is this possible in America when we see such excessive salaries in the corporate world at the same time as falling incomes for everyone else?

This too needs to change.

At some point last year, about 17 million U.S. households had some difficulty feeding everyone in their family.

That amounts to 14.5 percent of U.S. households, according to a report released last month by the U.S. Department of Agriculture.

The percentage of households who experienced food insecurity in 2010 was virtually unchanged from 2009. But it has risen by about 3 percentage points since 2007, the year the country officially went into recession.

I’d love to tell Herman Cain what a clueless heartless motherfucker he is…

What would happen if we changed the tax code so a CEO would be taxed 100% on everything over 20x times the least paid employee of the company? This included temps, interns and H1B-Visa workers, overseas employees and sub contractors and any other way they could think of to weasel out of paying for it. You want to put $1 million in the bank, then pay your janitor $50 K.

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Puddybud, who read how Mr DISGUSTING "I live off the net" all dayspews:

absolutely panic stricken when people get out in the streets to protest the abuses of the rest of us by the economic elites. Conservatives don’t like democracy; they don’t want the poor or the young or people of color to vote; they don’t like demonstrators raising hell about the powers that be. The panic by these conservatives is, as I said at the beginning of this post, as funny as can be: you can’t make up stuff as genuinely unhinged as Glenn Beck’s reaction to Occupy, he is far funnier than any satire of him could be. More importantly, though, the reactions of these conservatives — so like the reactions of conservatives throughout American history who have been on the wrong side of every big issue — give reassurance that the folks at Occupy Wall Street are on the right side of history.

It was libtardos like crock of liars who attacked Tea Party people when they arrived for Glenn Beck’s 9/12 project. Except they were peaceful. There were no police confrontations. There was no littering. No sex in public displays. No cursing out police. No arrests. They left the park cleaner than it was before they arrived.

It was liberals who tried to get Beck’s meeting permit canceled. Has any conservative done this? Watching the interviews we see fools screaming for violence. We see fools screaming for violent revolution. We see fools being fools. No coherent message until the unions appeared earlier this week.

Good try rujax. Another of your EPIC FAILS!

Ann Coulter aptly named them … The Flea Party.

ROTFLRHMBBAO!

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Puddybud, who read how Mr DISGUSTING "I live off the net" all dayspews:

Too bad the pussypussy can’t/won’t recall that the tea party was funded by the Koch Maching and fueled by lies from Faux News.

puddypussy is such an ignorant dupe. Limbaugh just takes idiots like him and leads them around by the ring in their noses.

All of them

(before the puddypussy accuses ‘Ol Rujax! of being racist)…not just our little cult member here.

The dummyhead puddypussy can bloviate and blather and bleat to his heart’s content.

The 99% Movement will have legs BECAUSE it represents the 99% of the Citizenry who are not represented anymore.

PS, motherfucker…you’re NOT a 1%-er…not EVEN close. You will NEVER EVER be a 1%-er. And they will NEVER-EVER-EVER let you (or me or Herman Fucking Cain) in. NEVER. Cain might as well enjoy his 15 minutes of fame ’cause he’s gonna tank. Like a REPUBLICAN operative said…cain as a candidate has the life expectancy of a Al-Qaeda Lieutenant…hahahaha!!!!

Joe Scarborough brushed off Herman Cain’s surge in the polls by using an analogy to Al Qaeda on Thursday’s “Morning Joe.”

The MSNBC host began his rant about the GOP race by bragging that he had been right every time about various candidates not being able to win. He ticked off a list of his predictions that had come true, including his write-offs of Rick Perry, Michele Bachmann, Newt Gingrich, Donald Trump and Sarah Palin.

@88 It’s much more fun to tell Mittens what a wishy-washy flip-flopper he is. The Inevitable Republican Nominee (TM) — who will be the nominee only because the GOPers have NO ONE else — stands for nothing. If you vote for him and he somehow gets elected, you will get Obama’s foreign policy.

“When, for example, would Mr Romney bring the troops home from Afghanistan? Ah, that would depend on ‘the best recommendation of our military commanders’: in his first 100 days there would be ‘a full inter-agency review’. Well then, what about Iraq? Good question, but it is ‘impossible to predict’ whether American troops will be required in Iraq when he becomes president in 2013. … Iran? Like Barack Obama, Mr Romney declares that a nuclear Iran is ‘unacceptable’. He would send aircraft-carriers to the region to make clear ‘that a military option … remains on the table’. Meanwhile he would tighten sanctions and build defences against Iranian missiles (present American policy in a nutshell). Russia? President Romney would ‘review’ the New START treaty and the other arms-control policies of the Obama administration ‘to determine whether they serve the best interests’ of the United States. China seeks hegemony, but Mr Romney will use carrots and sticks to guide it towards responsible global citizenship. …

“[H]owever you tart it up, [his] message … makes a nonsense of the Grand Old Party’s shrill disparagement of the incumbent president’s foreign policy. As the Republicans tell it, Mr Obama has spent his presidency projecting weakness, leading from behind, apologising for America, denying American exceptionalism and throwing Israel under a bus. … Mr Obama has made mistakes in foreign policy, but not the ones the Republicans harp on. ‘Leading from behind’ may turn out to have been a cost-effective way to help America’s allies dispose of Libya’s Muammar Qaddafi. Mr Obama got nowhere in Palestine, but pushing for a two-state solution based on the 1967 border was longstanding American policy, not a betrayal of the Jewish state. The oft-repeated claim that he does not believe in America’s exceptionalism leans on selective quotation from a press conference in which he made it perfectly plain that he did.”

Roger Rabbit Commentary: What it all boils down to is that President Flip-Flopper would build a couple more Navy warships a year. Otherwise, his foreign policy will be identical to Obama’s. At least Obama is a known quantity, however inadequate. With Romney, the only thing you’re sure to get is continued profligate spending on defense at the expense of taking care of our own citizens plus a little verbal saber-rattling now and then.

Puddy’s comparison of OWS to the Tea Party is funny, particularly in contrast to the debate about the supposedly liberal media. See here for a nice chart. Note how the OWS protest had gone on for two weeks before the media coverage surpassed what the Tea Party movement got on day 1.

This generally proves two things:

1) The notion that the media have a liberal bias is a lie. It’s a complete and utter fabrication. Were it not a lie, then OWS would have had more media coverage than the Tea Party movement from the get-go.

2) OWS is a true grass-roots movement, and the Tea Party is an astroturf movement. The only way a true grass roots movement actually generates any media coverage is when they start clashing with the police. Nobody pays any attention until then.

For what Don Joe? You seem to forget the libtardo MSM hates anything conservative. So they immediately started covering the Tea Party telling the world how racist it was because it disagreed with Barack ObamAA+. The HA dumb cinder block rujax went from thread to thread calling anyone who disagreed with Barack ObamAA+ a racist! Need to see the rujax evidence again? I surely don’t. The boy is a dope!

Now jump forward to this week. Who does the libtardo MSM put front and center to attack Herman Cain?

Why? Because Herman ain’t on the DUMMOCRAPTIC reservation and the libtardo MSM doesn’t know what to do with him. He doesn’t fit their stereotype just like the Tea Party (a bunch of racists per the libtardo MSM) backing Cain doesn’t fit their racist stereotype!

So why is this Don Joe? You leftists want… no, you NEED minorities women, blacks, hispanics to need and lean on government. You libtards have long claimed since the early 60s that y’all represent blacks better than the conservatives ever could. Yet we’re still in the same poverty while you whites have gotten richer and richer and richer. Somehow the dumb cinder block rujax can’t see that.

I saw it when I left Philly and grew up. You allow two or three poverty pimps to rally the black troops for every election year. and we all know who they are. Both failed at getting the DUMMOCRAPT presidential nomination. Enter Herman Cain. Herman Cain will peel off 33% of the black vote because he asks what has a DUMMOCRAPT done for you over time? Are you better off jock strapping them?

If the media is so fair and balanced what conservative black person has the libtardo MSM used to discuss the conservative qualities of Herman Cain? Well I have seen conservative blacks on Fox News. But they are not the libtardo MSM!

The data demonstrates otherwise yet Don Joe will continue to argue against the facts. Libtardo MSM type continue to vote in the 85% percentile for DUMMOCRAPTS and they give their money to DUMMOCRAPTS at the same level percentage!

Right-wing media have been hyping the claim that a diplomatic cable released by WikiLeaks shows that President Obama had planned to “apologize” for the bombing of Hiroshima during his 2009 visit to Japan. But the cable only shows there was speculation from “anti-nuclear groups” that Obama might travel to Hiroshima after expressing support for a “nuclear-free world,” and the Obama administration has said no apology was ever planned.

Affirmative, obstinate stupidity…we are doomed as a species.

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For facts, Puddy. You know, the stuff upon which reasonable people base their conclusions.

“You seem to forget the libtardo MSM hates anything conservative.”

You can’t “forget” something that’s not true.

“So they immediately started covering the Tea Party telling the world how racist it was because it disagreed with Barack ObamAA+.”

When Ron Paul gets up and says, “we get to go to Washington and take back our government,” exactly who has taken the government away in the first place? Did Ron Paul, or anyone else in the Tea Party movement, complain about the fact that George Bush started with a budget surplus and left with a huge budget deficit? Did anyone complain about George Bush fighting two wars of choice on a credit card financed by our children’s future? Why did these issues suddenly become a concern when a black guy got elected President, Puddy?

When John Boehner pines for the days when he grew up, what, exactly, is he pining for? That was before the civil rights movement. So, is John Boehner pining for days when black people had to ride the back of the bus?

I’ve already pointed out that the most controversial part of the most controversial piece of legislation to cross Pres. Obama’s desk was an idea originally cooked up by the Heritage Foundation. Half of Obama’s stimulus package consisted of ideas Republicans themselves had proposed just a scan few years ago. In every significant way, ObamaCare is RomneyCare.

Yet Republicans now repudiate every one of the policy proposals that they had, not too long ago, supported, and all we hear from the Tea Party crew is “socialist” this and “socialist” that.

The main stream media is talking about racism, because it’s inherent in just about everything that folks in the Republican Party have done and said since Obama got elected. So, when Herman Cain, who clearly didn’t do jack shit during the Civil Rights movement, wants to lecture people on what is and what is not racism, and the main stream media cover the backlash against that, you want to take that as evidence that the main stream media is biased?! What the fuck planet do you live on, Puddy? It sure ain’t the real planet we live on.

No, Puddy, the data is here, and the only one who hasn’t responded to their conclusions is you. Just so you know precisely what the fuck I’m talking about, here’s their conclusion:

We find that, on average, newspapers are located almost exactly at the median voter in their home states. In California, where we have the most data, newspapers are probably slightly to the right of the median voter. We find no evidence that the US press exhibits a liberal bias. [emphasis added]

By the way, Puddy, if the main stream media were really interested in having a productive conversation on race, Dr. Joy DeGruy would be a household name. They clearly aren’t, which is neither liberal nor conservative. It’s just white.

“Well,” he continued, “we want to make sure this is very clear. There was never a plan for President Obama to apologize to Japan. We should have been clearer about this, and we’re sorry for any confusion.”

This would be funny if it weren’t so tedious – Pudidiot is so easily misled by the voices in his head, er, FoxNoise, which of course turns out to be lying.

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And the ironic thing – he calls others Cass Sunstein Homer Simpson Idiots – or some such drivel, but in reality, the one parroting the lines fed to him by the message machine – Tides foundation, Frances Fox Piven, Cass Sunstein, Japan Apology, and on and on and on and on and on…is P-dud, useful idiot of the right wing.

What a moron.

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Puddybud, who read how Mr DISGUSTING "I live off the net" all dayspews:

You see libtardos Lib UnScientist runs to left wrong whack job sites and I whip out ABC News…

In September 2009, US Ambassador to Japan John Roos reported to the Obama administration that the Japanese government did not think it was a good idea for President Obama to visit Hiroshima to apologize for the US having dropped an atomic bomb on that city, a secret cable published by Wikileaks revealed.

Roos wrote the cable after his August meeting with Vice Foreign Minister Mitoji Yabunaka, reporting to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton that the Japanese government felt “the idea of President Obama visiting Hiroshima to apologize for the atomic bombing during World War II is a ‘non-starter.’ While a simple visit to Hiroshima without fanfare is sufficiently symbolic to convey the right message, it is premature to include such program in the November visit.”

When you visit the whack job left wrong sites they spin the news even more.

An ypou can call me all the names you want. I whip out facts and they DID NOT come from Fox News, etc.

Really sucks to be WRONG all the time eh Lib UnScientist. What really brings laughter to my heart is the sycophantic yes groups all you have here. No one even checks to see if another HA libtardo could be WRONG WRONG WRONG!

See ya morons!

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A senior White House official asserts to ABC News that there was never any plan for the president to apologize for Hiroshima. The cable does not state that the idea was from the U.S. Rather, Roos writes that Yabunaka thought that following President Obama’s call earlier that year for a world free of nuclear weapons, anti-nuclear groups would speculate as to whether he would visit Hiroshima. [Ed: emphasis mine]

That’s because Cass Sunstein called YOU a malleable Homer Simpson idiot. Butt then again you probably missed it because you claimed to skip over my posts. Well you skip right over Roger DOPEY Rabbit posts and he posts conceptguerilla.org at least once a month. The HA arschloch had to describe conceptguerilla to you.

That was P R I C E L E S S !

Here is Cass Sunstein’s own words about progressives

“We think that, as my co-author, Thaler and I, that there’s a little Homer Simpson in all of us. Sometimes we have self-control problems, sometimes we’re impulsive and that in these circumstances, both private and public institutions, without coercing, can make our lives a lot better. Once we know that people are human and have some Homer Simpson in them, then there’s a lot that can be done to manipulate them.”And you are manipulated by left wrong web sites who spin the news in a TERRIBLE way!

ROTFLRHMBBAO!

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Puddybud, who read how Mr DISGUSTING "I live off the net" all dayspews:

“…When Homer, in one episode, went to buy a gun, the gun owner told him that him that there is a three day waiting period. And Homer responded: “What? Three Days? I’m angry now!” So that captures people’s passion and focus on the short term, and it also captures how law and policy can help a lot.”

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Back to the subject at hand – why can’t you admit that the “Japan Apology” was a made up story? Even your hero STEVE DOOCY repudiated their own reporting on it on FoxNoise.

Here’s Steve Doocy again, in case you missed it above:

“Well,” he continued, “we want to make sure this is very clear. There was never a plan for President Obama to apologize to Japan. We should have been clearer about this, and we’re sorry for any confusion.”

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Puddybud, who read how Mr DISGUSTING "I live off the net" all dayspews:

Why does one need to be black to discuss that clown Herman Cain? Aren’t you colorblind like the rest of the conservative movement, you racist pig?

Hey you seem to forget Lib UnScientist that rujax already tried that attack.

He too failed miserably. Libtardo msm whities can’t run around and attack Herman Cain because they would be “stooping down” to the same level they claim the Tea Party is. But contratry to their beliefs the real issue is the Tea Party loves Herman Cain. So libtardo MSM have one avenue left to them… Use their “friends” who still occupy the reservation! I named 7 of them. There are many more but 7 is one of God’s perfect numbers!

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Puddybud, who read how Mr DISGUSTING "I live off the net" all dayspews:

Only to point out what an idiot you are. Think of it as me doing you a favor – I’m helping you get onto the correct talking points of the day – clearly you didn’t realize that the whole Japan Apology ™ story had been abandoned already – I’m saving you from making more embarrassing mistakes and helping you catch up to the latest Fox/Beck drivel.

I can’t wait for your reference to Frances Fox Piven to appear at any minute now…

I was just getting to that…

Right from her interview on Democracy Now…

I think organized labor is part of this movement. It wants to be part of this movement. But I think organized labor is not itself a movement. Organized labor is its organizations, organizations that have developed over decades, that they’ve used member dues to—they have investments. They have organizations. They are risk-averse. Now, in a way, you can’t blame them for that. You know, they’re responsible for the organization, even though the organization itself is losing numbers and treasury. But the question for me is whether organized labor—not whether it will take the lead, whether it will occupy public spaces, whether it will occupy factories. The question is whether it will support the people who are ready to do it, with its legitimacy and its resources, because we need organized labor to be part of this.

She just about let the cat out of the bag there Lib UnScientist. Using Union Dues to support DUMMOCRAPTIC causes.

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Puddybud, who read how Mr DISGUSTING "I live off the net" all dayspews:

Ummm Let’s get one thing crystal clear here Lib UNScientist… I use the libtardo MSM to attack the libtardo MSM. When the libtardo MSM decides to skip over a story like they did for months on Fast and Furious, I visit Fox and their Friends.

Just ask the crazed HA databaze arschloch. He has my links broken down. He did that while he could have been looking for a yob! Ask him Lib UnScientist.

So ABC News was my source. Too bad for you!

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The data demonstrates otherwise yet Don Joe will continue to argue against the facts. Libtardo MSM type continue to vote in the 85% percentile for DUMMOCRAPTS and they give their money to DUMMOCRAPTS at the same level percentage!

Still waiting for the sycophants to repudiate these FACTS about the libtardo MSM!

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I love getting him spinning like this – a Saturday morning guilty pleasure.

The sputtering, and inability/disinclination to focus, the nonsensical “conclusions” and “retorts”, the declarations of success…

it really isn’t right to have so much fun at the expense of the delusional.

Puddy, there are medications for this. The voices in your head can be silenced – risperidone, haloperidol, olanzapine…a trained psychiatrist could help you – you only need to make the call…1-866-4CRISIS

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A senior White House official asserts to ABC News that there was never any plan for the president to apologize for Hiroshima. The cable does not state that the idea was from the U.S. Rather, Roos writes that Yabunaka thought that following President Obama’s call earlier that year for a world free of nuclear weapons, anti-nuclear groups would speculate as to whether he would visit Hiroshima. [Ed: emphasis mine]

Like I said already, from your own fucking link, dipshit.

And I’ll repeat Stevey Doooooocy, of FoxNoise:

“Well,” he continued, “we want to make sure this is very clear. There was never a plan for President Obama to apologize to Japan. We should have been clearer about this, and we’re sorry for any confusion.”[Ed: my emphasis]

What about being schooled don’t you get?

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Liberal Scientist thinks that concentrated power and wealth should be met with suspicion, not adorationspews:

And I thought I was doing a good job keeping up with your extremely tangential thinking.

Remember this:

We’d get someone who would not be “The Apologizer in Chief”. Did you just forget the Japanese rejected Barack ObamAA+’s latest apology attempt over WWII?

That would be you, as is this:

Okay so the Japan article may be questionable. So why do I need to refute Fox News. I never used them moron!

Pud, the fact that you were pushing the Japan Apology ™ story so hard, was because it’s what you do – you’re a sewerpipe for right-wing propaganda, always have been, always will be, it seems. You never fail to disappoint, or to play to type, harping on the latest from the noise machine. That you could find something related at ABC, as opposed to Fox, really isn’t notable, unfortunately – as the strategy goes – “it’s out there” – all Fox or the “liberal” Drudge has to do is mention it and the rest of corporate media follows along, just like you do.

Sad thing is, as the Japan Apology ™ story illustrates, IT’S ALL BULLSHIT.

Notice he hasn’t refuted much in my links.

Really now, P-dud, it’s all I’ve done all morning is refute your bullshit – and rather well, I might add, if I do say so myself.

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Liberal Scientist thinks that concentrated power and wealth should be met with suspicion, not adorationspews:

And he wants me to play his gotcha game. Notice he hasn’t refuted much in my links.

Looking back, you made two links this morning, one to ABC News about Japan Apoolgy ™, and one about Cass Sunstein.

With regard to the former, your statement

Okay so the Japan article may be questionable.

I’ll take as a concession that I’ve beaten you to a rhetorical pulp. With regard to the latter, my response was clearly too subtle for you. You do engage in very VERY concrete thinking, and that really limits a normal person’s ability to get through to you – not my fault really, and psychiatry is not my specialty.

But, once again, you’re playing games and making claims about links that just aren’t true. So, to delusional and abusive, let’s add dishonest to your list of attributes.

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Puddybud, who read how Mr DISGUSTING "I live off the net" all dayspews:

WRONG again Lib UnScientist… I work all day so I read my news in the morning before I head off to work at 5:45AM and I get my news when I return home after 5PM. I don’t have the luxury of you and other HA libtardos to scan the news all day. I may stop in a Starbucks before work and hit HA with a few more links.

I am building things during the day not on my ASS perusing left wrong web sites!

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Liberal Scientist thinks that concentrated power and wealth should be met with suspicion, not adorationspews:

And we’re still waiting about 85%+ voting record or the 86%+ giving record of libtardo MSM to DUMMOCRAPTs!

Really, how many times do we have to go through this. You come back to this one point (see comment above regarding CONCRETE THINKING), when in the past others and myself have demolished this line of argument about the supposedly liberal ‘MSM’.

See my post here for a fairly comprehensive dismantling of your “argument”.

It is, BTW, another example of you posting a flurry of links, none of which really support your argument. Either you don’t understand the content of what you’re linking to (see ABC link above, debunked), or you’re being actively, affirmatively deceptive.

Again, here we are, at the eternal question prompted by interaction with right wingers: stupid or lying?

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Liberal Scientist thinks that concentrated power and wealth should be met with suspicion, not adorationspews:

I work all day so I read my news in the morning before I head off to work at 5:45AM and I get my news when I return home after 5PM. I don’t have the luxury of you and other HA libtardos to scan the news all day. I may stop in a Starbucks before work and hit HA with a few more links.

Cry me a fucking river, puddles.

I don’t know about anyone else here (aside from RR, whose lifestyle I envy as a lazy rabbit stealing dollars from Republicans on the stock market by day, and chasing little cotton-tailed bunny chicks by night – how do you get a gig like that?), ahem, but I for one work a very demanding job – I just take seriously my responsibility to smack down your vile lies at every opportunity.

Ta-ta, dipshit.

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With Puddy, it’s likely to extend on to infinity. Puddy ignores the fact that there is such a thing as a conservative Democrat, and Puddy ignores the fact that attempts to discern media bias in actual reporting find no evidence of such bias.

So, now, we get the Herman Cain argument:

“Notice how he weasels out of Herman Cain. Won’t repudiate how the left wrong MSM will not use conservative blacks on their shows.”

I guess we have to ignore the fact that, say, Rachel Maddow regularly features Michael Steele on her show. No, what Puddy’s really on about is that Herman Cain accused African Americans of being brainwashed, and the mainstream media are covering the inevitable backlash against his remarks.

What’s missing, apparently, is any word of conservative African Americans coming to Herman Cain’s defense. But, where, exactly are these conservative African Americans coming to Herman Cain’s defense? Michael Steele telling Herman Cain to get off the book tour?

No media, mainstream or otherwise, is going to talk to someone who has nothing to say. Nevertheless, there are clearly plenty of media outlets where conservative African Americans can respond to Herman Cain’s allegation of brainwashing. Where are they? You can’t find any.

So, the main stream media are “liberal” because they won’t stick a microphone in front of someone who isn’t saying anything!

Seriously, this is precisely the kind of reasoning we can expect from someone who’s been willing to argue that Alan Greenspan was a liberal.

At the level of trolldom, and most especialy at the lowest level of self-loathing loons and goatfucking Klowns, these treasonous, hate-filled asswipes are incredibly stupid fucking liars. So the correct answer is actually not offered as a choice, which would “all of the above”.

Hundreds of wingnut pervs. If they can’t find a kid, these freaks will fuck goats, chickens, horses, washing machines(!) and Lord only knows what else. And that’s only the ones who’ve been busted! I’d think that, if a freak like our self-loather could even momentarily come to his senses, he’d stop his incoherent babbling, hang his damned head in shame for a moment, and then graciously blow his fucking brains out. But no, a loon has no fucking sense.

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