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Atm i am sitting around 9.8/10,3 k crit + ring proc with 13,5k morale (r12)

I watched your video too and i really like the places where you do spars, much better places then GTA that is the middle of the map , i wish we could do the same in snowbourn .
Just a thing , in my server Controlled Burn isn't allowed

Hope token and fervour pot make a pretty huge difference if you aren't using them.

Originally Posted by Anolus

Just a thing , in my server Controlled Burn isn't allowed

adding to the above, seeking blade and food when you say you consistently win, seems kinda backwards. Every server has its own status quo though.

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Fairly easy to obtain, then. But that give me the question how do you get:
I have 9k, with 1100 from bow and cloak. So hooow xD

Horselords recipes. Brandy has at least 1 24-man raid farming lvl 85 mobs around the clock, meaning their availability and price is probably vastly different from on your server.

Le what? I always use it vs Reavers, simply for the reflect and AD. Can't imagine Way of the Warden is not allowed either.
Against my personal 1v1 etiquette.

And I wasn't suggesting you should, but you're comparing your outcomes to champs who are dropping everything they can besides adamant, DN, and bubbles. I'm just pointing out how unbalanced the playing field is, and that its more than simply gear that creates the lack of 'balance'

I doubt a creep has even seen WotW in RoR, given that it would require dropping DC, GMWT, or a capstone, all of which are much better. I'd still consider it bad manners in a 1v1, just like CB is (and their benefits are pretty similar).The benefits CB give are no less important than things like Hope tokens, Seeking, Fervour pots, or stacked food. Dropping all of those in a 1v1 is a pretty huge swing in the outcomes of fights.

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As you can see I beat 2 Reavers in the vid without CB and 1 without Fervour pot with pretty much the exact same morale left on me (1 spar I used no heals at all). The 5% AD is kind of useless and so is the ICPR. The reflect is no biggy either as I could just swap to glory before starting and back into Fervour or just spent the 2 Fervour at the start and then forget about it since the fights last around 40 sec. The only thing that is useful is the +1 pip gen.

It's also a general consensus that food + token = dof pots and pre-pots.

The thing is, some spars I drop down to 3k while others I win with 8k left. I was doing all those things in both kind spars which shows that its crit that really makes the difference. Not even OPs make much difference, I regularly fight with 0 OPs but results rarely vary except for when unusual crit behavior presents itself.

My personal opinion is that unless someone comes in vent and bitches at me about doing something perceived as OP I won't stop doing it.

I trait it, more chance to reflect. Also, common damage isn't all that effective against Champs.

You misunderstood me. If you go from Glory to Fervour, the reflect that you get is the untraited version. So even if you trait it (like me), you won't get the Shadow and Fire reflect from changing from Glory to Fervour.

You misunderstood me. If you go from Glory to Fervour, the reflect that you get is the untraited version. So even if you trait it (like me), you won't get the Shadow and Fire reflect from changing from Glory to Fervour.

seconded. Even when traited reprisal, when you swap to glory it switches to fire, shadow, and common but when you switch back it switches back to common only. Only cb allows you to reflect fire and shadow in fervour.

But I disagree completely that cb doesn't change the sway of the fight. You're doing 1-2k reflect damage in that span, and building pips quicker results in getting the reaver to half morale quicker which results in merciful spams that are more often 2 pips instead of 1, not to mention the -5% ad does in fact come into play when you're merci spamming.

But I also agree that crit is king in the moors since we have insane crit multipliers compared to creeps and physical mastery is drops in the bucket at this point of the game. I"m also gonna have to try to get more Crit d in my build too.

seconded. Even when traited reprisal, when you swap to glory it switches to fire, shadow, and common but when you switch back it switches back to common only. Only cb allows you to reflect fire and shadow in fervour.

Well you can just Fear Nothing/Battle Frenzy ---> EoB. It does work then.

But I disagree completely that cb doesn't change the sway of the fight. You're doing 1-2k reflect damage in that span, and building pips quicker results in getting the reaver to half morale quicker which results in merciful spams that are more often 2 pips instead of 1, not to mention the -5% ad does in fact come into play when you're merci spamming.

Aye, agreed. The pip generation is the main thing, though. Huge DPS increase.

But I also agree that crit is king in the moors since we have insane crit multipliers compared to creeps and physical mastery is drops in the bucket at this point of the game. I"m also gonna have to try to get more Crit d in my build too.

You misunderstood me. If you go from Glory to Fervour, the reflect that you get is the untraited version. So even if you trait it (like me), you won't get the Shadow and Fire reflect from changing from Glory to Fervour.

It seems you're right, I never noticed that but still I can just spend 2 Fervour and be set for the fight.

Originally Posted by mrfigglesworth

But I disagree completely that cb doesn't change the sway of the fight.

I still hold that it doesn't do enough to sway the fight 1 way or the other. The only time I lose a fight is when I get extremely low crits, literally 0% sometimes. I dont see how CB would help in that situation. I play a Reaver too and I don't feel like CB is something I should whine about. FO/Sprint are OP for sure but CB is merely a luxury and the majority of the server agree to this.

It seems you're right, I never noticed that but still I can just spend 2 Fervour and be set for the fight.

Indeed, I always do.

I still hold that it doesn't do enough to sway the fight 1 way or the other. The only time I lose a fight is when I get extremely low crits, literally 0% sometimes. I dont see how CB would help in that situation. I play a Reaver too and I don't feel like CB is something I should whine about. FO/Sprint are OP for sure but CB is merely a luxury and the majority of the server agree to this.

Actually, I've won many fights with CB I would've lost without it. Mainly Reavers/Wargs, then. The AD and pip generation really does make a difference.

We have enough of an advantage over reavers (who aren't using wrath/AtO) without CB, food/hope, fervour pots etc. I can understand people with subpar gear using them, but not those of us with mostly best in slot items. Sparring in such a way that you almost never lose is not very sporting.

That said, I do agree that it's basically just crit luck if both players are good. If the reaver doesn't get at least 1 impale crit they have essentially no chance of winning even without any cooldowns/consumables.

We have enough of an advantage over reavers (who aren't using wrath/AtO) without CB, food/hope, fervour pots etc. I can understand people with subpar gear using them, but not those of us with mostly best in slot items. Sparring in such a way that you almost never lose is not very sporting.

Yeah well... I don't have the best in slot items.

That said, I do agree that it's basically just crit luck if both players are good. If the reaver doesn't get at least 1 impale crit they have essentially no chance of winning even without any cooldowns/consumables.

Not true in the slightest. Impale non-crits for 2,5k on me. 11k morale: about 23% of my total morale. Twice in a fight + DS + Bleeds + other attacks... I'm dead still.

Nice vid, but you're gear swapping which I don't have anything against personally but the QQ on BW on gear swapping is insane. I used to do it too. I started with 19.5k morale and finished with 9k. No cds etc just like you. It really doesn't make much of a difference if you're getting that extra morale through gear swapping or bracing attack. The effective morale pool roughly comes out to be the same which is 18-20k.

Also most players are too stupid to figure out the OPness of swapping to DW for WA. For 1 if you have the golden axe that does light damage which automatically bumps WA damage by at least 5%. Second, WA on DW does almost twice as much damage as 2H and has twice the chance of giving bonus pips and twice the chance of giving the crit buff too. Just from the crit buff calculations alone DW WA gives roughly 3% more overall DPS (note dps not damage). All that combined gives, in my humble opinion, roughly what CB gives if not more.

I'm just going to put it out there and say that there are 2 types of players, players who QQ when they lose and players who try to improve when they lose and there is no putting end to the QQers. If you auto attack and somehow win they will QQ.

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Originally Posted by Moors-Battlemaster

No, it's because of him. Kunidana is a well know FOTM champ on Brandy, he will use every CD possible to avoid losing.

Nice vid, but you're gear swapping which I don't have anything against personally but the QQ on BW on gear swapping is insane. I used to do it too. I started with 19.5k morale and finished with 9k. No cds etc just like you. It really doesn't make much of a difference if you're getting that extra morale through gear swapping or bracing attack. The effective morale pool roughly comes out to be the same which is 18-20k.

I really need to L2Gearswap, I guess.

Also most players are too stupid to figure out the OPness of swapping to DW for WA. For 1 if you have the golden axe that does light damage which automatically bumps WA damage by at least 5%. Second, WA on DW does almost twice as much damage as 2H and has twice the chance of giving bonus pips and twice the chance of giving the crit buff too. Just from the crit buff calculations alone DW WA gives roughly 3% more overall DPS (note dps not damage). All that combined gives, in my humble opinion, roughly what CB gives if not more.

It used to make me lag out, maybe that's why some people don't. I don't lag anymore now, at least not because of my PC, so I swap now. It indeed does make a difference. I noticed about a 200 DPS increase from swapping. In PvE, that is.