"The liberties of our country, the freedom of our civil constitution, are worth defending at all hazards; and it is our duty to defend them against all attacks ... It will bring an everlasting mark of infamy on the present generation, enlightened as it is, if we should suffer them to be wrested from us by violence without a struggle, or be cheated out of them by the artifices of false and designing men."Samuel Adams (bold added by me)

WTF? so now every time i type somthing your going to jump my ass.... rethinks nope it's not worth it.Shit you guys (deek and A.W.)got to get over the Abi shit. Rad knows i'm picking and i dk about Thor but to make it clear - i'm joking Thor. FUCK! (not towards Rad, Thor...or eddie)

I think deek was actually replying to thor.Going back to the main topic, it is amusing to see "World Government (heading added)" - in other words, there is nothing about a world government in there at all, so we just insert something.Wikipedia article on Monckton

Originally Posted By: IneligibleGoing back to the main topic, it is amusing to see "World Government (heading added)" - in other words, there is nothing about a world government in there at all, so we just insert something.It does say government...and if you read further, it refers to the body the government governs as the "convention". Now if most all the world is a part of this convention, regardless of what kind of power we're speaking about, it is, indeed, for all practical purposes, a world government. Changing names and playing with wording can't change that fact. But if you did read the article, you already knew that. If you read it.I'll also note that, in refering the powers of this governing body, they will have the power to redistribute monetary wealth...therefor, they will have the power to force any government (that signs) to raise taxes as they see fit in order to satisfy their requirements for distribution of said wealth. What more power do they need to control the world...or bring down the US. And Obama just might hand us all over on a silver platter.

I've had a look at it, and it appears from the context that it is using the word 'government' in the sense of 'governance', meaning how the convention (which just means an international agreement) is to be managed. The English is not very good (the secretariat is German), and I hope it gets improved at the conference (the text is only suggestions: the bit with the word 'government' is only part of option 3, and all the clauses get haggled over at the conferences).I haven't found anything about powers to force taxation - all highly fanciful. It just talks about how funds can be spent. Of course, to someone who thinks 'information exchange' means 'enforcement', all things are possible - perhaps the word 'the' is a secret invocation of Satan.

Originally Posted By: IneligibleI've had a look at it, and it appears from the context that it is using the word 'government' in the sense of 'governance'...Now who's doing the wishful thinking. Quote:I haven't found anything about powers to force taxation...Perhaps you spent as much time looking for it as you did the word "government"?

Thor,I dont know if that treaty is as hurrendous as Lord Monckton suggests, but I do know that it is morally unsound as all centralised globalist treaties are, whether they be implemented under the guise of enviromentalism, international security, or third world aid. What I do not know is why are you posting about it here of all places. Most hardcore members of A2A are just never going to become limited-government supporting, liberty loving, gun owners who treasure their national sovereignty. They are always going to be big government supporting, equality obsessed, disarmed citizens of a would-be socialist state (if it werent for people like you still standing in the way of a such a calamity in the US). Your not going to convert these people. I just cant see what you get out of this, you've been here doing this for a very very long time. Would it not perhaps now be more constructive to work among your fellow lovers of liberty (call them conservatives, libertarians, small-l liberals, whatever) to find real and practical solutions to saving America and Western Civilisation from a new dawn of centralised tyranny that undermines the individual at every turn?Please feel free to use my e-mail address (which should be viewable on my profile) to add me on msn or facebook, or indeed just to send me a message, and I'd love to introduce you to various groups and individuals from accross North America (including Canada) who share you opposition to the forces that subvert our freedom at every opportunity. Together we can work to renew and preserve all that is great about our peoples.Owain

so when did you yanks start putting so much faith in British Lords?or will you desperately just latch on to any loony that supports your goofball cause?waits for the perfunctory "I know you are but what am I" argument

Originally Posted By: unsupervisedso when did you yanks start putting so much faith in British Lords?or will you desperately just latch on to any loony that supports your goofball cause?waits for the perfunctory "I know you are but what am I" argument You apparently just don't get it. It's all about the truth...not who you listen to. And the evidence Mockton presents against global warming, and on the methods liberals/leftists (though he refers to them as "bed-wetters", a term I tend to avoid) use to get things done, would shut down any argument, liberal or otherwise, concerning the whole issue...for those who can understand and follow what he's talking about. If you can't, then you are certainly a likely candidate for jumping on the liberal bandwagon whenever an issue comes up...regardless of the facts of the matter. Aside from the term "bed-wetter", Mockton sticks to the facts concerning global warming, liberals and their history of buggering with things on the basis of their emotions rather than any scientific or sensable reasoning. Does that mean everything liberals bring up is out to lunch? No...just means they have a history of causing a lot of trouble based on their whims, and not much more. Watch the whole video...it runs in several segments that stop/start automatically, running back-to-back for 40+ minutes.