Hmmm...which beliefs? "The world is flat and i can prove it!" "Vaccines cause Autism." "Europe can survive on One based economy." Along those lines..."betray " leads me to believe that "if i go against this, i will be shunned by my church/group/business/friends"...this rarely applies in my social group, as they are LGBTQ, leftists, rightists, Democrats, Republican, related to me and not.

For the Brexit arguement? Yes, i once believed England being tied to Europe would be a good thing.....because look at America. Now? No, Brexit is badly thought out. As most of Europe is tied neck and foot to Greece, Turkey and others...the Very poor economy of Turkey, in this case, makes it more expensive for a friend to rent an apartment in Britain...as the British economy has to raise taxes, loan interest and such to keep Turkey afloat as part of the group. This belief...i changed gradually by study and asking questions. So, this is not a betrayal, just a change. Besides, being intentionlly stupid and holding onto a unpopular belief....is asking for greater stress and displaced anger at the World in general!

@Sabo-go-thud said in Let's talk about karma:
@petrapark3r you are very right. Treating others as less than you is barbaric. The Caste system of parts of India, bad...very bad. A holdover from the late 1600's. But, I must say you are doing the better option of bringing attention to it!
Thank you, you are right, the Caste system is propably the worst instance of victim blaming on a large scale in history. Maybe apart from blaming the jews for everything that went wrong in europe...
There are other instances however, and I couldn't stop myself from thinking about it this morning.
I've been told here on TWS by (reasonable) Hindus, that it's Jesus' own fault for being crucified. I personally have never studied Hindu faith, so I really couldn't say, wether victim blaming is something intrinsic to the idea itself. But the fact, that there was not a single Hindu disagreeing with blaming Jesus, suggests to me, that it might indeed be intrinsic. Or that the majority of Hindus is interpreting the concept in the wrong way.
You know I am glad, that my religion does not tell me, that I could even look for the fault with the person who something bad happens to. Simply because I am no saint. And if I had any reason to assume the victim (of a proven crime) was somehow at fault, I wouldn't be able to stop myself from thinking just that. I wouldn't be able to stop myself from judging them. So I am really glad that I don't believe in karma, because it would tempt me into thinking (and maybe doing) awful things. But that's just me. Maybe I am that bad a person

Islam is about peace. I recently converted to Islam and fell in love with it. Everyone is entitled to their own belief. No one should bash any other religion, or put any other person down whether they are religious or not. What made me love Islam is how it unites so many ethnicities, races, etc. You really feel like you have this huge family.

We see our life through the eyes of who we interacted with. We go somewhere to prepare based on what we experienced and then we reincarnate to have our souls grow more and to rectify mistakes made, better known as karma.

my feelings to your hard time i hope you get online again to see if what i say can help you Life is many many different things with random events good and bad we never know are coming but when ones such as yours do it is hard to cope and gain a control over your emotions but with that whats done is done not being rude just saying we cant go back in time so only today matters and how to make it a positive one with many more to follow is to in your mind feed yourself only good things positive thoughts and knowing of the goal you will achieve one day because your mind either conscience.sub or unconscience is were health and healing will be best utilized for your brain can do wonders if you work with stay positive if you have loved one your are worried about them being affected by your current situation know that they are not mad or think you have become a burdon to them not at all waht your seeing is their pain and self frusturation for not being able to help the one they love get to were they want to be you have to assure them not to be sad or frusturated and to keep positive thoughts of your goal and to take alllnegativity and do away with it because a collective set of positive minds work with one another for the law of attraction will seek out what you are telling it to if you listen or think badly or as the doctors sayy you may never walk again thats bull they dont you and western medicine is to prescribe and addictive drug that will mask the problem but keep you spending more time and money in a brutal evil market souly in it for profit now dont get me wrong their are doctors tjat are truly life savers and good people but many arent please dont take their advice without more opinion all in all know what you will do again one day and you will if you can keep the bad energy away because bad energy is a destroyer of all good things when you do this things will fall in order i really do and without a doubt you will dance again and looking back will make your ability to dance that much more enjoyable your just on a vacation and forgot your dance shoes we can say and you will be home soon! I look forward to better days for you and your family and friends and a side note i tell myself sometimes when i feel negativity creeping on me is it can always be worse someone somewere is in a very bad situation and its now me although i feel for that person im happy with my situation that just got better from the thought.......

Yes! It does play a significant role in our lives. We are what we are now cause of our belief.
Many people deny it cause they are not self aware or conscious as the teaching of our religion imbibes with in us in one form or the other!

@Ethan-Gene
No crime suppose breaking down doors of deserved destination. Sometime jealous people lock your door intentionally, they can't see growth of other. and some people of selfish class leave you in locked closed door, they can just act to be friend but in reality they are not.
In this case, suppose don't get any key to open door of own place then would break.
No one can fall me down from my achieved level, and interrupt in my way toward deserved place.
Never stay silent where you are right

@ScruffyMutt said in CATECHISM of the CHURCH of ZION (uncompleted):
@petrapark3r ah, but if the proof of God is the Bible, so much of the Bible has been disproven. There is no other proof of God.
This is a fun thing really: because many of the things that people thought were disproven in the bible, have actually been discovered to be true in recent years, like the burning bush for example, or the fact that people can indeed sweat blood. I think I shall make a topic about that soon.

I built a friend with three pieces of plastic and a pen
I made him on the table in the den
I gave him my old cell phone for a head, for a head
And we spent holidays at my house
And we left presents in a stocking
And we bought bolts and things and strings
And a new watch, that's what he got
[Chorus]
And we had so much fun together
We knew we'd be friends forever
And we had so much fun together
We had so much fun
[Verse 2]
Then I left for college in September
And we wept cause we can't be together
So I kept pictures to remember my old friend, my old friend
Then I met this girl at graduation
And forget my oldest creation
And I guess I'll see him next vacation
Send my best, I send my best
[Chorus]
And we had so much fun together
We knew we'd be friends forever
And we had so much fun together
We had so much fun
[Bridge]
I came home to find him on the table
With a note, scribbled out in pencil
And he wrote, that he just wasn't stable all alone, all alone
Next to him, an empty glass of water
That he spilt, all over the body that I built
It fizzled and it popped
And then it killed, and then it killed
[Chorus]
And we had so much fun together
We thought we'd be friends forever
And we had so much fun together
We had so much fun
I built a friend

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