I'm extremely excited about this trade, why is football so far away, this team is going places. I know there are concerns about the migraines but migraines are a funny thing perhaps a change of location/diet/scenery/attitude *may* help. One thing for sure, this is going to be a contending team next season.

For those of you that would have liked to see the Seahawks draft a WR in the first round instead of trading AND paying for Harvin, please consider the past history of drafting WRs in the first round (and particularly late in the first round).

While 2009 had Harvin, Nicks, and Britt go late 1st round (all good players), 2007 had Robert Meachem, Craig Davis and Anthony Gonzalez (ouch). 2009 also had Heyward-Bey (7th) and 2007 had Ted Ginn (9th) drafted high. Drafting a WR in the first round is a crap-shoot.

If you look back at WRs drafted in the 1st round between 2000 and 2011 (too early to look at last years players), I would probably say that out of the 48 WRs drafted 18 of those were good picks. A couple of picks may be borderline picks, but there is a very large number of complete busts in there.

xCalibur wrote:Yea, but if i recall Largent never cried abouot migraines and missed 20% of this games. I am not saying this is a bad move, i am saying i am worried. This kid is not the end of all wr's like some of yoou seem to think. Hell, to listen to some of these posts you would think we just signed a young Jerry Rice

Yeah, I am worried about adding one of the best playmakers in the NFL.

Ok here’s my take, first I was surprised we made a big move like this at first, then thinking about it this is the 4 year plan, were going for it. We wanted a playmaker and got one, no where in this draft would we find a WR that would be a guarantee, here we have a proven guy that is young, 24, showed he could play all over the field and has success doing it. This draft is deep but not flashy, nobody at 25 is going to be that much better then a player at 48. The 7th pick is a bonus pick we got in a trade for Jackson is not such a loss really for us but a good compensation for The Vikings who need picks, the 4th next year, we could get another pick there possibly anyway the way Schneider works, besides with our depth it will be harder and harder for players to make this team going forward.

WR in the draft is a crap shoot, they are typically so much better in college physically with speed etc that they don’t have to deal with the separation issues that pro WR’s do in getting open, Harvin is proven here. Drafted WR’s like Koren Robinson had all the skills but could not take on the mental aspect of the game or like Tate is still trying to learn how to be a WR. Again a win for the Seahawks.

His attitude fits right in here; chip on his shoulder isn’t all that different then Washington, Baldwin, Lynch, Rice, or our DB’s. Rice was his mentor at the Vikings and I suppose will be once again here, Bevell knows him and how to use him, the compete mantra here fits right in with his mentality, everyone works and contributes and you earn your stripes. Even our more outspoken players buy into that and live by it.

Injuries are not an issue as far as I am thinking either, my biggest concern were the migraines, they appear to have that controlled now, his physical injuries should be helped by him getting less touches, we have more weapons and teams can’t key on him and cheat, this will make the touches he gets that much more explosive since teams can’t cheat on him since we will have Miller, Rice, Lynch, Tate, Baldwin all lining up on the field as well. He won’t be the only guy teams have to worry about.

As far as guys getting cut, Washington is a value still, he may be our return guy now, you keep Harvin from taking punishment until it’s a big game and then you can really mess with an oppositions coverage by scheming to have him and Washington back there, teams will have to watch reverses, and lanes and that leaves gaps for Washington and Harvin to exploit.

Baldwin and Tate are still good players and are needed, they don’t cost anything really and provide quality options for three and 4 wide sets if we use them, Obomanu is most likely the odd man out due to his veteran salary and lack of chances to make an impact on offense.

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I frickin love the deal. The future is now. We'll cross the cap bridge when we come to it. SF is upgrading and they are already young, and last year were better than we were. We have no time to be complacent, no time to develop positions we need now.

The very reason we did this was because of the cap, because we wont be able to keep these kids forever. Our time is now...2013 and 2014. Yeah, this deal may force us to lose a guy or two to FA, or to trade away a guy or two next couple of years...the bottom line is that we were one RZ conversion away from beating ATL last year...one more first down...and Percy Harvin is a flat out stud. I love him.

the ditch wrote:I'm extremely excited about this trade, why is football so far away, this team is going places. I know there are concerns about the migraines but migraines are a funny thing perhaps a change of location/diet/scenery/attitude *may* help. One thing for sure, this is going to be a contending team next season.

I don't think he's had one in 2 years.... I thought they figured this out? Pinpointed the cause and had a treatment plan that is working.

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the ditch wrote:I'm extremely excited about this trade, why is football so far away, this team is going places. I know there are concerns about the migraines but migraines are a funny thing perhaps a change of location/diet/scenery/attitude *may* help. One thing for sure, this is going to be a contending team next season.

I don't think he's had one in 2 years.... I thought they figured this out? Pinpointed the cause and had a treatment plan that is working.

To be honest I'm not too sure, I know the concern is brought up whenever talking about him but he is proven NFLer, a proven difference maker I'm just excited for this I know whatever our pick was this draft wouldn't have the immediate impact this does and we're at the point where we should be going for it all.

xCalibur wrote:Yea, but if i recall Largent never cried abouot migraines and missed 20% of this games. I am not saying this is a bad move, i am saying i am worried. This kid is not the end of all wr's like some of yoou seem to think. Hell, to listen to some of these posts you would think we just signed a young Jerry Rice

Yeah, I am worried about adding one of the best playmakers in the NFL.

Being the best playmaker in the NFL ddoes no one any good if your not on the field. So we will see. Hopefully his attitude gets better and he plays a full year without injury. I am not worried about this kids ability, it is his attitude and commitment to the team. The migraine thing really threw me off this kids wagon. Not one of us could call in sick to work and claim migraines. To me, it was real bad. Then last yrs injury didn't help. I am willing to give this kid a chance, but i want to see him earn the huge contract we will undoubtedly be paying him.

xCalibur wrote:Yea, but if i recall Largent never cried abouot migraines and missed 20% of this games. I am not saying this is a bad move, i am saying i am worried. This kid is not the end of all wr's like some of yoou seem to think. Hell, to listen to some of these posts you would think we just signed a young Jerry Rice

xCalibur wrote:??? Have you all forgotten that this kid missed like 5 games two yrs ago with so called migraines???...this is a bad move.

Sidney Rice #1Golden Tate #2Doug Baldwin - slot guy plus depthPercy Harvin - Special Weapon that can be used in so many different ways

Harvin is going to take reps away from Baldwin but Baldwin is still valuable to the Hawks. Tate and Baldwin both are not going anywhere. In fact, I would not be surprised if we spend another pick on a WR; someone like Mark Harrison in round 4.

xCalibur wrote:Yea, but if i recall Largent never cried abouot migraines and missed 20% of this games. I am not saying this is a bad move, i am saying i am worried. This kid is not the end of all wr's like some of yoou seem to think. Hell, to listen to some of these posts you would think we just signed a young Jerry Rice

Yeah, I am worried about adding one of the best playmakers in the NFL.

Being the best playmaker in the NFL ddoes no one any good if your not on the field. So we will see. Hopefully his attitude gets better and he plays a full year without injury. I am not worried about this kids ability, it is his attitude and commitment to the team. The migraine thing really threw me off this kids wagon. Not one of us could call in sick to work and claim migraines. To me, it was real bad. Then last yrs injury didn't help. I am willing to give this kid a chance, but i want to see him earn the huge contract we will undoubtedly be paying him.

Seriously, have you any understanding of P & J and the way they go about building the team?

They wouldn't touch any player that had issues they did not believe that were a problem that could not be overcame, but go ahead and be negative nancy. I'll enjoy having dude as a serious weapon that needs to be game planned for.

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People are very much mis-remembering how many games that Harvin missed before last year. Also, I am not sure that people are aware that Harvin was diagnosed with sleep apnea, which caused the migraines (I have it and it does cause wicked headaches for me when it happens), and he has been okay in that area for awhile, physically.

I'm not all for this move either, necessarily, but let's get our facts straight.

At some point next season we're going to go three wide with Percy Harvin, Golden Tate, and Sidney Rice. Lined up at tight end will be Zach Miller. Russell Wilson will be behind center, and just behind him will be Marshawn Lynch. Please pick your poison now. Good luck.

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xCalibur wrote:Yea, but if i recall Largent never cried abouot migraines and missed 20% of this games. I am not saying this is a bad move, i am saying i am worried. This kid is not the end of all wr's like some of yoou seem to think. Hell, to listen to some of these posts you would think we just signed a young Jerry Rice

xCalibur wrote:??? Have you all forgotten that this kid missed like 5 games two yrs ago with so called migraines???...this is a bad move.

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xCalibur wrote:Being the best playmaker in the NFL ddoes no one any good if your not on the field. So we will see. Hopefully his attitude gets better and he plays a full year without injury. I am not worried about this kids ability, it is his attitude and commitment to the team. The migraine thing really threw me off this kids wagon. Not one of us could call in sick to work and claim migraines. To me, it was real bad. Then last yrs injury didn't help. I am willing to give this kid a chance, but i want to see him earn the huge contract we will undoubtedly be paying him.

Every player comes with risk in the NFL........and Harvin hasn't had a migraine issue since 2011 I think, so that issue seems to have been solved.

Btw, he wasn't "claiming migraines" like he wanted to take Monday off after a Vegas weekend. He had serious migraine issues since he was a kid, and ask anyone that suffers migraines, they ain't no joke.

We can argue all day whether Harvin was worth what we gave up for him, but you can't argue the dude's talent. He IS the most dangerous WR in the NFL right now. We've never, and I repeat never had a WR with this many tools.

Smart move if we can keep him for a reasonable salary. But giving up a 1st, 7th this year, and a 4th or 5th next year for a one year rental is a bit much. I wonder if they are already in contract negotiations with him.

People who don't have migraines or don't know someone close don't understand how it can shut someone down. It can. This isn't some made up disease by people that don't want to work some people can barely walk. Many have had it "cured" once the cause could be identified and even regular migraines have pretty good medication these days.

it is not a fibromyalgia disease that can't be diagnosed and magically never goes away (someone will be mad at me now)

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Hawksfan78 wrote:Smart move if we can keep him for a reasonable salary. But giving up a 1st, 7th this year, and a 4th or 5th next year for a one year rental is a bit much. I wonder if they are already in contract negotiations with him.

There is no deal if there is no new contract so I would think so........

Hawksfan78 wrote:Smart move if we can keep him for a reasonable salary. But giving up a 1st, 7th this year, and a 4th or 5th next year for a one year rental is a bit much. I wonder if they are already in contract negotiations with him.

multiple sources have said (and it's been mentioned in this thread) that he is coming to Seattle for a physical and that contract negotiations were a part of the trade agreement. You have to assume that there have been discussions and that the front office knows what type of contract Harvin is looking for, so it's just a matter of negotiating the details and putting pen to paper. The more important part is the physical.

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Hawksfan78 wrote:Smart move if we can keep him for a reasonable salary. But giving up a 1st, 7th this year, and a 4th or 5th next year for a one year rental is a bit much. I wonder if they are already in contract negotiations with him.

Do you really believe they brought him in to be a 1year rent a player .

This trade does not surprise me. The pricetag does, a little bit, but not the trade itself. Golden Tate is the prototypical John Schneider WR, and Tate is very often compared to a lesser version of Percy Harvin.

Three receivers last year felt undefendable when we played them: Welker, Marshall, and Harvin. Harvin is very hard to defend on quicker throws, and as such makes an ideal slot WR in our offense.

I think we overpaid. But I also think that we overpaid for Zach Miller too, and Miller really helped us out last year. Another way to look at it- had Seattle traded up for Cordarrelle Patterson they are probably paying a heavier draft pick cost than what they paid for Harvin. The money is the part that hurts, so we'll see how Seattle handles this new contract especially since they might be forced to fix the pass rush before the draft now without that #25 overall.

The only bummer draft wise is that I'll probably have to say sayonara to Datone Jones and Ryan Swope as realistic options. Sylvester Williams, Kawann Short, Brandon Williams and Corey Lemonier look like the front runners at #58.

If I was Sidney Rice, Zach Miller, Leon Washington, Matt Flynn, or possibly even Red Bryant, I'd be very anxious right now. I think the odds of those players being restructured/traded/released just increased.

I would not have made this move as GM. It is not the most efficient use of resources. It's hardly a Deion Branch trade though- Branch was made by Tom Brady and Harvin excelled despite mostly crappy QB play. FWIW, I was in the minority as a Branch trade hater when it happened in 2006, but this is easily a superior trade. And even if I don't like the value, I LOVE Percy Harvin the football player. He's going to make the NFL's funnest team to watch even more interesting and exciting than before. Everyone who isn't a Seahawks fan is going to wish they were next season.

kearly wrote:This trade does not surprise me. The pricetag does, a little bit, but not the trade itself. Golden Tate is the prototypical John Schneider WR, and Tate is very often compared to a lesser version of Percy Harvin.

Three receivers last year felt undefendable when we played them: Welker, Marshall, and Harvin. Harvin is very hard to defend on quicker throws, and as such makes an ideal slot WR in our offense.

I think we overpaid. But I also think that we overpaid for Zach Miller too, and Miller really helped us out last year. Another way to look at it- had Seattle traded up for Cordarrelle Patterson they are probably paying a heavier draft pick cost than what they paid for Harvin. The money is the part that hurts, so we'll see how Seattle handles this new contract especially since they might be forced to fix the pass rush before the draft now without that #25 overall. The only bummer draft wise is that I'll probably have to say sayonara to Datone Jones and Ryan Swope as realistic options.

If I was Sidney Rice, Zach Miller, Leon Washington, Matt Flynn, or possibly even Red Bryant, I'd be very anxious right now. I think the odds of those players being restructured/traded/released just increased.

I would not have made this move as GM. It is not the most efficient use of resources. It's hardly a Deion Branch trade though- Branch was made by Tom Brady and Harvin excelled despite mostly crappy QB play. And even if I don't like the value, I LOVE Percy Harvin the football player. He's going to make the NFL's funnest team to watch even more interesting and exciting than before. Everyone who isn't a Seahawks fan is going to wish they were next season.

They obviously thought WR was a bigger need then they indicated. I like the move but have my concerns about the cost as well hopefully it's reasonable. I do think WR was a much bigger problem than some did though so i'm fine with the trade.

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mikeak wrote:People who don't have migraines or don't know someone close don't understand how it can shut someone down. It can. This isn't some made up disease by people that don't want to work some people can barely walk. Many have had it "cured" once the cause could be identified and even regular migraines have pretty good medication these days.

it is not a fibromyalgia disease that can't be diagnosed and magically never goes away (someone will be mad at me now)

interestingly enough, both disorders are best treated by a combination of psychological support (psychotherapy, stress management, etc.) and/or medications.

Hawksfan78 wrote:Smart move if we can keep him for a reasonable salary. But giving up a 1st, 7th this year, and a 4th or 5th next year for a one year rental is a bit much. I wonder if they are already in contract negotiations with him.

Do you really believe they brought him in to be a 1year rent a player .

No, I dont believe they would. However, until the contract is signed I'm going to be skeptical about this deal, because of all the rumors that he wants Larry Fitzgerald money.

Hawksfan78 wrote:Hawksfan78 wrote:Smart move if we can keep him for a reasonable salary. But giving up a 1st, 7th this year, and a 4th or 5th next year for a one year rental is a bit much. I wonder if they are already in contract negotiations with him.

Do you really believe they brought him in to be a 1year rent a player .

No, I dont believe they would. However, until the contract is signed I'm going to be skeptical about this deal, because of all the rumors that he wants Larry Fitzgerald money.

KJR is also saying rumors that Minnesota is giving us a mid round draft pick as well. So really just giving up 1st and a 7th, and swapping mid round picks.

volsunghawk wrote:And the NCAA/Draft forum has to scrap its last 8 pages of threads.

Yeah those folks I was balking about regarding Tavon Austin -- I'm willing to start baking the Humble Pie and say you were certainly right in their desire to get that kind of a difference making playmaker.

I have to somewhat agree with those who are saying that this is a bit of an overpay. The 7th Rounder -- no big deal. But I mean, a 1st Round Pick AND a Mid Round Pick next year? Gooooooood Night!

But at the same time we need to ask ourselves this -- how many draft choices actually played for the 49ers last season? Now that's an important point to consider because with how set the Seahawks are at many different positions ... there is a high probability that those few players who actually make this squad will be riding the pine. So, yes on the one hand it IS a bit of an overpay ... but if those guys never see the field, is it really?

To me, this deal really says to me, "We are going for it next year." There is no build this thing and keep on building it. This is a statement move. It is an all out assault that says that the Seahawks are looking to storm the NFL's beach at Normandy and to take no prisoners. This is the kind of move that teams looking to make a Super Bowl run make (ala Green Bay in landing Reggie White ... or the 49ers signing Neon Deion Sanders). You don't make this kind of a move if you aren't at the castle gates hammering away with the battering ram and ready to break through.

This is the kind of move that will make potential free agents [or those stars whose teams want to part ways with them] out there stand up. Don't be surprised at all if all the names we've talked about (Revis, Cook, Bryant, Abraham, etc.) suddenly start banging on the Seahawks door wanting to be a part of this thing. And after so many years of being Southeast Alaska, that will be a very good thing to se

Hello board,I really think this trade was a great trade for both teams.Some points I want to point out about Percy....1. The demise of his health is overstated. As it was pointed out he missed 3 games in 3 years. Last season he was expected to miss 1 game, had a blow up the week before and then he was placed on IR. The blow up was reportedly him telling the coach that Ponder is not good enough to be a starting QB (truth).of 4

2. He has never had a 1000 yard season but has been in the top 3 in total yards 3 out 4 years (last year only played 8 games)3. He has lead the league in broken tackles by a non RB every year he has been in the league. Meaning...he catches and makes the first guy miss.

4. He was an MVP candidate this season before being shut down.5. He had Ponder throwing the ball to him. The guy had about 6 games under 100 yards passing this season and several others where he was behind and just broke the 100 yard barrier. I.E. Harvin should explode. Don't be surprise if you see everyone's stats explode due to the stress he places on defenses.

1) Production - has not produced like a true #1 WR. Look at the stats.2) Injury Risk3) Malcontent4) Size - below average. Hawks needed to get bigger at WR.5) Salary - wants #1 WR money even though he has not earned it.

Other than #3 this looks like the Branch trade all over again. We got fleeced on this deal. If Harvin is worth a first rounder plus change then Megatron is worth 5 first rounders plus 25 million a year.

Meanwhile, Reggie Bush was available for free, would cost less and is basically Harvin-lite. Utterly bizarre trade.

Deion Branch was made by NE's offense and Tom Brady. In Minnesota Harvin had Christian Ponder and Tarvaris Jackson throwing the ball to him. Bit of a difference there. Not to mention the fact that Harvin is 3 years younger than Branch was and a million times more explosive. The only similarities you got right are WR & 1st rounder pick.

Harvin had Brett Favre throwing to him. He also had the leagues best running back keeping the defensive backs honest.

vikesfan wrote:Hello board,I really think this trade was a great trade for both teams.Some points I want to point out about Percy....1. The demise of his health is overstated. As it was pointed out he missed 3 games in 3 years. Last season he was expected to miss 1 game, had a blow up the week before and then he was placed on IR. The blow up was reportedly him telling the coach that Ponder is not good enough to be a starting QB (truth).of 4

2. He has never had a 1000 yard season but has been in the top 3 in total yards 3 out 4 years (last year only played 8 games)3. He has lead the league in broken tackles by a non RB every year he has been in the league. Meaning...he catches and makes the first guy miss.

4. He was an MVP candidate this season before being shut down.5. He had Ponder throwing the ball to him. The guy had about 6 games under 100 yards passing this season and several others where he was behind and just broke the 100 yard barrier. I.E. Harvin should explode. Don't be surprise if you see everyone's stats explode due to the stress he places on defenses.

Basically... both teams won. The 7th round is throw away.

Thanks for the heads up. How are other Vike fans and the Minnesota area responding to the trade?

I was surprised to see the least pass-heavy offense in the NFL hand Megatron money to a receiver. This probably signals changes in our mentality, certainly in our cap distribution. Will be interesting to see whom Seattle is forced to let go of as a result of adding Harvin.

But it's hard to imagine Harvin NOT making Seattle one of the most, if not the most, explosive offenses in the league. That makes up for whomever else we might have to lose. Harvin is exactly what we needed to keep our novel offense ahead of the curve.

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MontanaHawk05 wrote:I was surprised to see the least pass-heavy offense in the NFL hand Megatron money to a receiver. This probably signals changes in our mentality, certainly in our cap distribution..

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