^ Thank you very much, Debra. It was John, not William, my bad! I wonder why Maria and William Harvey drop out of census and other records. Death for either or both, a marriage for Maria, perhaps?

Sorry, Jeff, just a brief mention in Lloyds newspaper that John Harvey aged six had been knocked over by a cart in Commercial Road and taken to the London hospital. It probably wasn't unusual in those days, unsupervised young children playing among the carts and dashing about in the traffic.

Thanks Rosella. I thought it might have been part of a series of incidents that showed someone might have been going after Mary and her kids.

Rocky, it's not even clear if these two boys and this Maria Harvey are connected to Mary Kelly the JTR victim at all. It's just that the Maria that Debra tracked had two boys, seems of right approximate age and was desperately poor. Like a lot of destitute men and women in Victorian England she seems to have been in and out of workhouses/charity wards on a fairly consistent basis. If Debra has tracked her (and one son) to around 1890 that's too late for her to be the Pinchin Torso, isn't it?

If the three local doctors were there first (Dukes and Gabe having been summoned by Phillips), followed by Brown then Bond (sent there by Scotland Yard), it makes perfect sense without being 'overkill'.

the rumour of a child being involved may have prompted authorities to contact a child doctor

To me, Dusty, that doesn't make any sense. Leaving aside the problem that authorities don't normally act on rumours, why would a child 'being involved' prompt them to contact a doctor? If the rumour was that the child was sick then maybe (although any doctor could have dealt with a sick child), but just 'involved', no. And if Gabe was there because of a child why did he view MJK's body?

One can always throw up all kinds of theoretical possibilities, of course, maybe Dr Gabe was involved in a secret sexual relationship with MJK, maybe he killed her, but there doesn't seem to be any point in airing them if they aren't credible and are unsupported by any evidence. The point I was arguing against was Simon Wood saying in his book that there is 'little doubt' that Dr Gabe was there because of a child, which is unsustainable.