Panic moves. We don't need to trade Tay, we just need to limit his minutes, and sign a decent backup (Delfino). Tay does not have the endurance to play 30+ minutes. Guaransheed you, cut Tay's minutes to 30 or less per game, and his production sky rockets.

Deng is not an upgrade. He is only a change. Tayshaun never stands out but is consistently effective. Now if the trade was like the title stated (Tayshaun for Deng AND Iggy) than I would do it in a heartbeat.

Amen. WTH people why are y'all living this pipe dream. When you look at our 3 top guys, CB, Rip, Tay they are not good enough to win you a title. Your top 3 guys win you a title folks, it's not the 8,9 & 10 guys!!!! It's not the backup SF or your 2nd string PG, all of those players are irrelevant if you don't have a really good starting lineup. What made us unique was that our 4th option was RASHEED WALLACE!!!! a player some think/thought was one of the best PF's in the league. In addition, our 5th starter was Ben Wallace, a very unique player who could dominate and impact a game without scoring.......back then a good backup PG and SF was what we needed, now we need BETTER STARTERS.....Folks, THEY AIN'T GOOD ENOUGH...PERIOD!!!!

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I totally agree Kgreg. I think the other side makes good points too, but ultimately, the Pistons need change. If our guys were that good Dumars would have made a deal by now. Nobody really wants them.

Panic moves. We don't need to trade Tay, we just need to limit his minutes, and sign a decent backup (Delfino). Tay does not have the endurance to play 30+ minutes. Guaransheed you, cut Tay's minutes to 30 or less per game, and his production sky rockets.

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I have argued along these lines too when defending the lackluster play and specific meltdowns of Tay in the recent ECFs.

Of course, that did not stop the Tay hater's from scapegoating him for practically the whole team's woes.

Free Darko? Wait till you see Tay freed from the bondage of playing absurd minutes and being asked to do it at both ends, AND advance the ball himself, AND pickup the rebounding slack of the 4 and 5 positions, AND initiate the offense in the half-court, AND guard the opposition's best scoring swingman, AND play incredible weakside D. Oh, how about scoring from the perimeter and making things happen in the post as well while he's at it?

I would probably pull the trigger on either of these deals. Especially Deng. He's maybe a wash right now, but he's 5 years younger than Tay. Deng's got a great mid-range shot, and would be a decent improvement on the glass over Tay.

Iguodala would be a tougher decision, but I think he would do pretty well as the 3rd guy.

I mean are y'all that oblivious to talent??? Deng puts up GREAT numbers on a team where he has very little help. He's not one of those players who just chucks up a bunch of shots on a bad team and gets his 17ppg by default, his FG% is better than Tay's. If you swap him for Tay, that solves a BIG problem. Plus Deng just turned 24!!!! He's still on his ascension, Tay has Plateaued.

I mean are y'all that oblivious to talent??? Deng puts up GREAT numbers on a team where he has very little help. He's not one of those players who just chucks up a bunch of shots on a bad team and gets his 17ppg by default, his FG% is better than Tay's. If you swap him for Tay, that solves a BIG problem. Plus Deng just turned 24!!!! He's still on his ascension, Tay has Plateaued.

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I'm beginning to think you haven't watched Deng play the last few years. He has major weaknesses in his game specifically no post game, an easily shut down transition mid-range game, a tendency to choke/disappear in clutch time, and no ability to be the go to guy. And not to mention awful post-defense. He's not dominant, he's not even better than Tay. He's younger than Tay. That's it. Trading for him would be trading for potential.

Ben Gordon is the only Bull that can deliver in the 4th quarter.

Why are we ignoring the fact that Tay DOMINATED both these players in the post season?

Wouldn't we be better served getting him an ACTUAL back-up, cutting his minutes, and evaluating his production from there instead of trading him for a lesser player (although Iggy might be debatable) ?

For everyone knocking his performance in the ECF, Deng and Iggy can't even perform in the 1st rounds.

...........He has major weaknesses in his game specifically no post game, an easily shut down transition mid-range game, a tendency to choke/disappear in clutch time, and no ability to be the go to guy. And not to mention awful post-defense. ............

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Are we talking about Tay or Deng here. In Det, Deng doesn't have to be our Go to guy. BUt our third option HAS to be better, and Deng has proven he can get you 17-20 EVERYNIGHT!!!! No way I trade 2 starters for Deng, but a Deng for Prince move straight up, I do in a heartbeat.

Also keep in mind this, we may not be able to improve our team via trade, but we may be able to CHANGE the team dynamic which could lead to an improvement. Some lateral moves won't be bad so long as it can change the lethargical team dynamic in existence. Some are banking on MC to do it, some think that a backup SF can do that......I DON'T.

PSS.....Tay played 33mpg last season, give me a break, if he needs more rest than that, then he NEEDS TO GO!!!!!!!

Are we talking about Tay or Deng here. In Det, Deng doesn't have to be our Go to guy. BUt our third option HAS to be better, and Deng has proven he can get you 17-20 EVERYNIGHT!!!! No way I trade 2 starters for Deng, but a Deng for Prince move straight up, I do in a heartbeat.

Also keep in mind this, we may not be able to improve our team via trade, but we may be able to CHANGE the team dynamic which could lead to an improvement. Some lateral moves won't be bad so long as it can change the lethargical team dynamic in existence. Some are banking on MC to do it, some think that a backup SF can do that......I DON'T.

PSS.....Tay played 33mpg last season, give me a break, if he needs more rest than that, then he NEEDS TO GO!!!!!!!