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This is not a realistic Batman. This is the force of nature Batman from the comics. He will always win. Batman has nothing better to do than spend 18 hours a day hunting you down. You will likely survive the first encounter, but once he understands your powers he will cheat and counteract every one.

You will have one to seven days before Batman thwarts you evil plan and puts you in jail.
One Day =Minion.
Seven days = master villain.

For example, my villain:Mr Easy (Commander), he can summon weapons w/unlimited ammunition and up to six tommygun wielding gangsters (also with unlimited ammo). SCORE 3-4 days. Defeat Batman will have trouble getting past a wall of unending bullets. Once he figures out that Mr Easy is a summoner, Bats will distract the henchmen and take out Mr Easy with a Batarang and a boot to the head. The summoned minions will just fade away.

This is not a realistic Batman. This is the force of nature Batman from the comics. He will always win. Batman has nothing better to do than spend 18 hours a day hunting you down. You will likely survive the first encounter, but once he understands your powers he will cheat and counteract every one.

The Plague Doctor would be easy for him to fight. While he does have back up weapons to deal with people who can prevent toxins, like his acid sprayers, he's still a crazed old man, and is prone to forgetting why he was there in the first place. I'd give him an hour tops.

Mr. Chimp on the other hand is fully aware of himself, and intelligent enough to fight people off on his turf. He also would want to avoid batman, trying to sell his weapons unnoticed, but with batman being batman, he'd track him down anyway. Mr. Chimp would have traps in lair, and he would try to make his home base hard to get to, but that wouldn't really stop him. I'd give him a month before Batman finds him and 3 hours in the actual fight.

Rucifer would last 2-3 days. Bats would be limited in the first encounter to damage control and saving lives. Quickly escalating to the Justice League, throwing Superman into this classic giant monster battle, the result would depend on whether Superman can be dessicated. If, say, Supes got demoisturized - then on the third attempt, once Aquaman revives the itchy-skinned super-grunt, he also brings powers of the sea to help the whole JL troupe bring Rucifer to heel.

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"The illusion which exalts us is dearer to us than ten thousand truths." - Pushkin "One piece of flair is all I need." - Sister Silicon

Sorry notears, Cyclops said in his “rules” that you have to give a score of 1-7 which represents days. Neither of your examples do so.

I'm not sure if you intended it that way, but your reply comes across as snide. You may went to check out of the thread if you don't want to participate.

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An infinite number of tries doesn't mean that any one of those tries will succeed. I could flip an infinite number of pennies an infinite number of times and, barring genuine randomness, they will never come up "Waffles".

For example, my villain:Mr Easy (Commander), he can summon weapons w/unlimited ammunition and up to six tommygun wielding gangsters (also with unlimited ammo).SCORE 3-4 days.Defeat Batman will have trouble getting past a wall of unending bullets. Once he figures out that Mr Easy is a summoner, Bats will distract the henchmen and take out Mr Easy with a Batarang and a boot to the head. The summoned minions will just fade away.

Mr Easy is a medium challenge. Bats didn't even call for JL backup.

I'd judge him as a One Day villain. Plus with a name like "Mr. Easy" he should be simple enough to defeat in one day.
Bats will have a dossier on this guy or at least footage of his tactics. Mr. Easy is all offense and no defense (beyond ablative minions). Deploy a sonic weapon of some sort to disable all of them at once then apprehend.

Or realize that Mr. Easy only uses slug thrower weapons, call up Superman and tell him to do his thing (score a 0 or 8 depending on what is considered to be worse in this framework).

I know, but you are a sweet individual who always seems to see the best in people, and I'm a pessimist.

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An infinite number of tries doesn't mean that any one of those tries will succeed. I could flip an infinite number of pennies an infinite number of times and, barring genuine randomness, they will never come up "Waffles".

Even in the most unrealistic comic's circumstances, any hero/villain with superspeed like Superman would kill Batman before he could process a single thought. For example, a quick google search shows that Superman can move up to 7.2m mph. Batman literally wouldn't have time for a single synapse in his brain to fire before he was killed. Just sayin.

Even in the most unrealistic comic's circumstances, any hero/villain with superspeed like Superman would kill Batman before he could process a single thought. For example, a quick google search shows that Superman can move up to 7.2m mph. Batman literally wouldn't have time for a single synapse in his brain to fire before he was killed. Just sayin.

That was the basis for my first reaction to this thread.
The question of "what would the villain do" becomes meaningless when you stipulate that the villain is only capable of doing one thing.

Well batman has beaten superman before, you have to remember that he's not just a human, he's an apex human, he can think way faster than a normal human and even without his armour he can take blows that would knock others out cold, and he does have a plan to take down the flash if he ever goes evil.

Well batman has beaten superman before, you have to remember that he's not just a human, he's an apex human, he can think way faster than a normal human and even without his armour he can take blows that would knock others out cold, and he does have a plan to take down the flash if he ever goes evil.

He only beat Superman because comics aren't consistant. Doesn't matter how "apex" Batman is, he would realistically lose 1,000,000 out of 1,000,000 fights to the death with Superman. Even if Batman had kryptonite, Superman could see/sense it and stay outside it's range; either using x-ray vision or sensing its effects before they could actually immobilize him. On top of that, he could shoot Batman with his eyes from outer space if he wanted to. Superman would NEVER need to get in face-to-face with Batman. He could throw a spear from the moon millions of miles an hour. Apex or not, Batman not only couldn't take that hit...he wouldn't even have time to react.
And in the comics and tv shows where they fight, Superman's punches and hand-to-hand combat is basically the same speed as Batmans which is OBVIOUSLY an inconsistent and inaccurate detail on the producers part as Superman can move, as I've said above, millions of miles an hour.
In the comics they've had Superman lift 2 billion tons. No apex human could take a hit like that. That would obliterate even his atoms. At Superman's punching speed and that force...Batman wouldn't even feel it. There would be a perfect outline of Superman's hand through the Bat's chest, no matter how much armor he wore.

The only reason Batman ever has an advantage against anyone in the comics is because every superpowered being is 'dumbed' down to make it look like a fair fight.

Well batman has beaten superman before, you have to remember that he's not just a human, he's an apex human, he can think way faster than a normal human and even without his armour he can take blows that would knock others out cold, and he does have a plan to take down the flash if he ever goes evil.

He only beat Superman because comics aren't consistant. Doesn't matter how "apex" Batman is, he would realistically lose 1,000,000 out of 1,000,000 fights to the death with Superman. Even if Batman had kryptonite, Superman could see/sense it and stay outside it's range; either using x-ray vision or sensing its effects before they could actually immobilize him. On top of that, he could shoot Batman with his eyes from outer space if he wanted to. Superman would NEVER need to get in face-to-face with Batman. He could throw a spear from the moon millions of miles an hour. Apex or not, Batman not only couldn't take that hit...he wouldn't even have time to react.
And in the comics and tv shows where they fight, Superman's punches and hand-to-hand combat is basically the same speed as Batmans which is OBVIOUSLY an inconsistent and inaccurate detail on the producers part as Superman can move, as I've said above, millions of miles an hour.
In the comics they've had Superman lift 2 billion tons. No apex human could take a hit like that. That would obliterate even his atoms. At Superman's punching speed and that force...Batman wouldn't even feel it. There would be a perfect outline of Superman's hand through the Bat's chest, no matter how much armor he wore.

The only reason Batman ever has an advantage against anyone in the comics is because every superpowered being is 'dumbed' down to make it look like a fair fight.

Eh, but isn't Batman actually supposed to be on average "smarter" than Superman? At least you could say Batman probably understands "ninja-like combat tactics" better than Superman does.

So even though I might agree that Superman's raw power/abilities would likely allow him to virtually atomize Batman a huge overwhelming majority of the time I think it's probably fair to give Batman like a "1 in 100 chance" against Superman assuming of course he's able to figure out a scenario where he can take Superman completely by surprise.

Eh, but isn't Batman actually supposed to be on average "smarter" than Superman? At least you could say Batman probably understands "ninja-like combat tactics" better than Superman does.

So even though I might agree that Superman's raw power/abilities would likely allow him to virtually atomize Batman a huge overwhelming majority of the time I think it's probably fair to give Batman like a "1 in 100 chance" against Superman assuming of course he's able to figure out a scenario where he can take Superman completely by surprise.

True, and really I realize my logic is flawed because we are talking about comics and I'm using realistic, logical scenarios based on their abilities. It's just with Superman's super senses, I don't see Batman ever getting close enough to do anything. And even if he did, I imagine a scenario similar to the Justice League where everything is moving in slow motion because Superman is so fast (granted I didn't see the movie, just that one scene on youtube).

Eh, but isn't Batman actually supposed to be on average "smarter" than Superman? At least you could say Batman probably understands "ninja-like combat tactics" better than Superman does.

So even though I might agree that Superman's raw power/abilities would likely allow him to virtually atomize Batman a huge overwhelming majority of the time I think it's probably fair to give Batman like a "1 in 100 chance" against Superman assuming of course he's able to figure out a scenario where he can take Superman completely by surprise.

True, and really I realize my logic is flawed because we are talking about comics and I'm using realistic, logical scenarios based on their abilities. It's just with Superman's super senses, I don't see Batman ever getting close enough to do anything. And even if he did, I imagine a scenario similar to the Justice League where everything is moving in slow motion because Superman is so fast (granted I didn't see the movie, just that one scene on youtube).

But I could see Batman dreaming up an extremely abstract multi-step scheme involving some kind of diabolical Rube Goldberg-equse series of events that could trick/lure Superman into a spot where he could be caught by Kryponite and screwed.

Well batman has beaten superman before, you have to remember that he's not just a human, he's an apex human, he can think way faster than a normal human and even without his armour he can take blows that would knock others out cold, and he does have a plan to take down the flash if he ever goes evil.

No. Batman doesn't beat Superman. The kryptonite he has with him, beats Superman.

A monkey can beat a kryptonite weakened Superman.

As for his plan to take down evil Flash, it only works if he has time enough to put it into action. If I was Flash, the second I turned evil, the first thing I'd do is take out Batman before he knew I was evil.

That plan to take out Flash, also doesn't work if Flash is turned evil in the middle of a fight.

Batman, I accept as being peak human in all aspects. I can totally go along with that. I then wonder how he loses to Shiva, who no matter the skill level, isn't far enough above Batman to match his added muscle mass, weight and such. :p

There's a reason top female MMA fighters don't take on less than the top male MMA fighters.

However, that's only if you put real world physics into things. This is of course, comics. :p

Well what I said, I said more as against "If you have superspeed you can easily kill anyone who doesn't have superspeed unless they have invulnerability or some such" A normal speedster shouldn't be able to kill batman, I mean the flash should because he's the world's second most powerful speedster, but saying that if a speedster goes up against anyone without super invulnerability, that guys pretty much dead, it's one sided and boring. Treating one power like it's the end all and be all of what is stronger, especially in a fantasy setting like the DCU is just bad writing no matter how "realistic" it would be, I mean if Captain Boomerang, the weakest Apex human in the world can hit a target that's going the speed of light then the world's strongest apex human can do something about it. Plus, yeah Superman is way stronger Batman, but a lot of fantastical stuff is about a lone hero going up against a big threat that's way out of their league and then fighting a long, hard fought battle using both smarts and fighting ability and then winning by a hair. Superman beating Batman is boring, but Batman using every trick he has to beat Superman? That's something that's interesting and inspiring to watch!! It's like the lone bowman killing Smaug the dragon with a broken bow string, or Frodo Baggins struggles to destroy the one ring. Curb Stomp battles are boring and don't belong in superhero fiction.

Well stuff like that is more appropriate for comedic situations and even then should rarely happen to batman. Part of designing a superhero is understanding who they are in both a dramatic situation and a comedic situation, and quite frankly, in comedic situations Batman is the straight man, so Superman and Batman might get into sass battles in comedic situations, them physically attacking each other is usually reserved for dramatic scenes, and them dramtically, it's far more interesting to see Batman win rather than seeing Superman slapping him to the side. Would be fun to see him to do to say, Captain Boomerang or the Riddler, seeing Batman instantly losing a fight? It just feels wrong....

Bit late on this but in some cases Superman is shown to also be super intelligent.

I've seen it portrayed in a couple of books that he can think as fast as he can run/fly. So he can figure out a complex puzzle in a split second. In the Superman vs. The Amazing Spider-Man book (yes that was a thing) I recall at one point he had to reprogram a computer by taking out parts and rearranging them (the book was from the 70s mind you). He was able to figure it out with lightning speed because of his super-fast mind.

Of course, Superman is one of those heroes whose strengths and weaknesses depend on whoever is writing him at the time (that's something you see with a lot of titles honestly) so that might not be shown in every storyline.

Which is why it's so cool to see Batman outsmart him. Superman is his superior in every way, shape and form. He's the lone Knight facing a dragon, the lone gunslinger walking into a town full of bandits or the lone soldier sneaking into a Vietnamese camp, that's his role in the comics, the lone hero facing a scenario where the odds are against him.

Let's see, since I will likely make my main's rogue gallery for fun...

Origin. Super genius! Anime buff! He played the long game with the government to not only get his harem anime life style, he set it up so it ended and the harem got their spin offs into whatever they decided, then escaped with one of them! 7 days for sure. He's not Batman level fighter and can't use the excuse of the Joker of having studied Batman's moves. He's not in bad shape either, just not the perfect shape of Bruce Wayne! However, while less egotistical about his intellect than Lex Luther, I'd say he's smarter than Batman.

Brittany (haven't decided on super name yet). Freed Origin. Same training as main. She's the muscle of the duo of her and Origin. She's more anti-hero to his (Origin) crazy schemer (less out right villain, but still basically villain). 5-7 days. I'd actually say she'd beat him, but that's because she's super powered and he's still just a man. :p However, I'll go along with the idea that Batman easily exploits all her weaknesses.

Jeremiah (no super name thought of yet). 3-7 days. Much like Brittany he has special forces training. Ex-Military, who's gone rogue, due to his jealousy of metas (focused more on Jessica). His time I'll base on how far along he's come in gaining his own powers in his quest to become a god.

That's about all the baddies I've come up with to roll up in CoT (possibly) so far.

The Gambling Man, who's a luck vampire, but one that can't make his own luck so he has to steal it from others would be a different challenge, but Batman is known for being adaptable, he's fought the scarecrow while he had no fear and he fought the penguin while he was blind. He could think of something to face him. I'd give 3-4 days.

Dr Splicer on the other hand is a mad scientist with a god complex that wants to kill all life on earth and replace it with his own creations and has the power to spawn tentacles from his body. I give him a week.

Hmmm, I don't like god tier Batman because I just find Batman himself not very interesting but I'll mess around with this game.

For Nano I'd say it take a good 4-5 days simply because Batman would have an hard time finding him as he has control over nanites. Basically he can project minions and see through them whilst being in an crowd, out of site, or in an building with a lot of people.

Yeah, biggest problem with modern batman stories that I hate when it shows up, is when they treat him as all powerful when that's not really what Batman stories are about. Batman works best when he's treated like the Usopp of the group, he's the weakest one there and there are a lot JLers that are smarter than him, but he has every right to be there because of how adaptable he is, he takes every advantage that he can get and he runs with it. Batman stories are about the human element, but when he can take out the rest of the League by accident takes that element away.

Does Batman have a plan for when Lex Luthor declares him a criminal and the law enforcement organizations of the entire US try to arrest him?

Be Well!
Fireheart

Not when your allies become subject to mind control, demonic possession or any number of ways that you can lose control of your body and mind when you fight supervillains every day. Any of the other Justice Leaugers would become a danger to the world, and since batman's superpower is essentially adaptability, he's the one who has to be prepared for that kind of stuff.

Does Batman have a plan for when Lex Luthor declares him a criminal and the law enforcement organizations of the entire US try to arrest him?

Be Well!
Fireheart

Comic book worlds treat stuff like that like slaps on the wrist. In real life something like that would pretty much ruin your life, good person or not, because even if you clear your name the public won't believe you.

So yeah he'd get away with that but if the comic book writers actually wrote him in a more ''realistic'' setting with ''real'' rules he would struggle a lot more. Although to be fair Batman has dealt with troubles of being recognized as not another menace to society before. It's why he's generally called an vigilante in-universe and not an hero.

I dislike Batman mainly for being very overused and the writers writing him as overpowered with no weaknesses. Not a bad experiment though to try to pit up your own villains against him. I think an easy way to throw him off would be a simple one, just blend in Gotham's crowd of civvies instead of dressing up in costumes or with themes like the rest of the Batman Rogues. Pretty much what my villain concept, Nano is doing. He looks unassuming on the surface, just another face in the crowd.

Melody - Late teenage element control. She requires a music like sound in her eardrums to activate her powers. The louder the music the stronger her powers. Can only control 2 elements at a time. Melody is a hot blooded killer. Her targets are usually bad people, but she will take out law that tries to stop her. She acts without thinking.
The fight...............................
Day 1: Mel would be confronted by Batman while she was in the middle of killing a group of bank robbers in order to steal the cash herself. Batman would notice Mel had no real interest in killing by-standards but wasn't really trying to avoid them with her attacks either. He would swoop in to protect some civilians from a rogue fireball one of the robbers avoided. With a few batarangs from behind the few remaining robbers that Mel hadn't killed before Batman got their would be down. Mel would take this dark looking guy as a potential ally and greet him crudely. Batman would demand she surrender so he wouldn't have to hurt her. She is a teen girl after all. Melody would attack with fire first, her favorite offensive element. Batman having a flame immune cape would take the blast by covering himself then standing up. He would shoot a fireproof net at Mel to restrain her. While Mel is bad at planning she is very fast and agile. She would activate earth to launch her backwards over the nearest building and escape.
Day 2: Batman would contact the Teen Titans to get any info they had on Mel. Teen Robin and Starfire would arrive. Robin would fill him in on her full powerset. Mel would wait a day to go out again.
Day 3: This time Mel would be attacking a small arms shipment. Resale on the guns would set her up nice for a month. Batman would smoke bomb the area to set up the trap and dodge the fireballs being thrown as his shadow wove in and out of the smoke.. As Mel switched into using air to clear her vision to attack from the left Robin would shoot a grappler at her. Distracted and jumping backwards she wouldn't notice as Starfire flew from the other side and knocked her out cold.

Red- Red is an Omega level villain with no motivation other than finding something fun to play with. Fun means something worth killing. If it isn't fun to kill she won't do it. She is immortal, has wolverine level regeneration, never ages, and fights with a spear. Her strength would be roughly equal to Solomon Grundy. She has minor telekinetic abilities but doesn't use it for anything other than to float. She has an excellent sense of smell and enjoys the smell of rust. Her weaknesses are mostly mental. She is rarely lucid and has no grasp on reality when in her stupor like state. She poses the biggest threat once every few decades when she snaps back into reality. Her being lucid could last as little as seconds or as long as a week. While immortal her body takes damage the same way a normal human would. Red won't feel the pain unless Lucid. She has no speed abilities and does not dodge attacks because she doesn't care about being attacked.

The fight..........
Day 1: John Constantine would contact Batman for help. He had been hunting Red and was at a loss for how to stop her since his budget is rather limited and his intel was wrong on her being possessed. After describing how Red acts to Batman he would be cut off from communication because Red would have found John and attacked him. John had proven to be a fun person by trying to kill her in so many inventive ways.
Day 2: Batman would be investigating the scene of the fight, would see the clear trail of destruction leading out of the city John had been holed up in. Batman would take to the skies in his batplane. He would catch up quickly and activate his plan. Red would look up at the pretty black plane as Batman shot the grappler out of the front end. It would nearly tear Red in half as it latched around her. Batman knowing he couldn't kill her wouldn't care very much. Letting the immortal dangle from the cable he would fly her to arkham and deposit her in a cell designed to hold those with super strength.

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Okay. I have to ask. What makes Red Omega Level? Deadpool isn't consider Omega level. Wolverine isn't either. Being immortal doesn't tend to make one Omega level either. Power does. What am I missing :)

Well this was a vs Batman approach where I gave Batman his ultimate power... preparation.

The omega is when she is in a sane state. immortal + 1000 years of knowledge about battles she has been in + telekenetic abilities and mild super strength = takes down pretty much anything killable. Its like if Deadpool got the Pheonix power and a blinding hatred for life itself. ... but cant rp that because who wants to chat with something that is a pure murder machine they cant really stop? So I gave her a handicap when she was created. She isnt Lucid, wanders around like in a dream, never really trying.

I attempt to keep my characters within the realm of in game power levels, which means balancing out the pro's and con's. A above game level backstory means something that hinders them and brings them back into balance with other player characters. Giving her the ability to be sane allows me to semi counter power players who create characters that are great at everything and never lose.

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Okay. I have to ask. What makes Red Omega Level? Deadpool isn't consider Omega level. Wolverine isn't either. Being immortal doesn't tend to make one Omega level either. Power does. What am I missing :)

Well this was a vs Batman approach where I gave Batman his ultimate power... preparation.

The omega is when she is in a sane state. immortal + 1000 years of knowledge about battles she has been in + telekenetic abilities and mild super strength = takes down pretty much anything killable. Its like if Deadpool got the Pheonix power and a blinding hatred for life itself. ... but cant rp that because who wants to chat with something that is a pure murder machine they cant really stop? So I gave her a handicap when she was created. She isnt Lucid, wanders around like in a dream, never really trying.

I attempt to keep my characters within the realm of in game power levels, which means balancing out the pro's and con's. A above game level backstory means something that hinders them and brings them back into balance with other player characters. Giving her the ability to be sane allows me to semi counter power players who create characters that are great at everything and never lose.

Okay. I have to ask. What makes Red Omega Level? Deadpool isn't consider Omega level. Wolverine isn't either. Being immortal doesn't tend to make one Omega level either. Power does. What am I missing :)

Well this was a vs Batman approach where I gave Batman his ultimate power... preparation.

The omega is when she is in a sane state. immortal + 1000 years of knowledge about battles she has been in + telekenetic abilities and mild super strength = takes down pretty much anything killable. Its like if Deadpool got the Pheonix power and a blinding hatred for life itself. ... but cant rp that because who wants to chat with something that is a pure murder machine they cant really stop? So I gave her a handicap when she was created. She isnt Lucid, wanders around like in a dream, never really trying.

I attempt to keep my characters within the realm of in game power levels, which means balancing out the pro's and con's. A above game level backstory means something that hinders them and brings them back into balance with other player characters. Giving her the ability to be sane allows me to semi counter power players who create characters that are great at everything and never lose.

Okay. So the telekinesis can be a higher level than minor level?

Yeah it has a condition set to a magnitude x how much pain she is in. Since she doesn't feel pain unless Lucid its nearly useless. CoX level hover most the time.

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How long will Batman last against my toons is the better question. Every superhero has a plan until cosmic entity appears. He sounds a lot like Black Panther, whom is highly intelligent and relies upon intellect and stalking, but we all know what happened to the Avengers...

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As a child, I thought my name was handsome, cause that is what everyone called me.

yeah Batman isn't as strong as Black Panther, Black Panther is a magical supersoldier with a suit that combined the best technology and magic from a country who is the powerhouse of magic and science for the entire world, Batman is just a human, the world's strongest human, human none the less.

My villain? Maybe a day. She's kind of like Supergirl, in that she has super strength, super durability, flight probably some other minor powers. But while she's not dumb, I'm pretty sure Bats would just lure her out with a tweet saying there's a huge sale in the Gotham equivalent of Sax 5th Avenue and be there standing by with a really good net.