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Nashville has Forsberg and Arvidsson as their first 2 LWs.
Boston have Marchand and DeBrusk.
Sharks have Kane and Meier.
Etc.
Tampa possibly but I’m not sure he’s an upgrade on Palat and Gourde.
If these guys were half as good as you seem to think we wouldn’t have needed a rebuild.

Nashville has Forsberg and Arvidsson as their first 2 LWs.
Boston have Marchand and DeBrusk.
Sharks have Kane and Meier.
Etc.
Tampa possibly but I’m not sure he’s an upgrade on Palat and Gourde.
If these guys were half as good as you seem to think we wouldn’t have needed a rebuild.

No he's not cracking Boston's or Nashville's top line, that is crazy talk. But if those two teams or the Avs want to really compete for the Cup they need a potent 2nd line. If not Tampa, Toronto and the Jets will swarm them in this year's playoffs because of potent scoring depth and speed.

Sure he's an upgrade in Tampa and a need in Colorado and Vegas. The Avs think they are going to compete with the Jets and Preds this year. I didn't believe them either, but they are playing better than the Jets as of now. McKinnon is the beast of beasts. We are not sending him to Pitt.

My problem here is that this is a guy who has broken 50 points once in his career, yet Im being told he’s a guy that would walk onto most contending teams 1st lines and they’d be willing to give up their farms to get him.
Sorry, I don’t buy it. It’s textbook NY Rangers fanitis.

He’s a pretty good player that could do a job for a number of teams. No more, no less. In my opinion, of course.

My problem here is that this is a guy who has broken 50 points once in his career, yet Im being told he’s a guy that would walk onto most contending teams 1st lines and they’d be willing to give up their farms to get him.
Sorry, I don’t buy it. It’s textbook NY Rangers fanitis.

He’s a pretty good player that could do a job for a number of teams. No more, no less. In my opinion, of course.

If he can play at the consistent level he did after coming back (lighter) from the blood clot, he's more. He's entered his prime, he's healthy, so if he does not take that next step he appeared ready to take, then you're right. He's merely pretty good.

He’s a great complimentary first line player on just about any team. Size, speed, shot, physicality, net presence. And a few clutch playoff goals, too. Some of what he does doesn’t show on the scoresheet
Closer to a first line player than anyone else on the team.

Do the Rangers Try to Move Kreider This Season?

Originally Posted by Kevin

I feel the same. How many goals would he have as Crosby's wing?

This is what Iíve been thinking about too. With legit talent, albeit high-end talent I think Kreider could score a hundred goals. The key is that his production would be dependent upon the work of others. Heís not the main scoring catalyst.

It's not about whether he immediately slots in to a 1st line here or there.

It's that he can.

No, that's not the discussion. At least it's not the discussion I'm trying to have. The discussion is whether a contender would trade for him as a 1st line player and pay accordingly.
I don't disagree he's a guy that can play up and down the lineup for most teams in the league.

It's not about whether he immediately slots in to a 1st line here or there.

It's that he can.

Originally Posted by Gravesy

No, that's not the discussion. At least it's not the discussion I'm trying to have. The discussion is whether a contender would trade for him as a 1st line player and pay accordingly.
I don't disagree he's a guy that can play up and down the lineup for most teams in the league.

Kind of saying the same thing lol.

I think the "First-line" idea is being overblown with Kreider. He's a bonafide top-6 player, and teams will pay for that at the deadline, whether he fits on the first line or not. Teams will pay a first-line price, but play Kreider on the second line, if it, effectively, gives them two first lines. Too early to say right now who is and isn't a contender, but Colorado, Nashville, Chicago, Carolina, Pitt, St Louis would all kind of fit in that mold, I think.

I also wonder if there's something to be done with a Kreider/Panarin swap. Rangers get their guy, and CBJ gets a top-6 winger back for the playoffs. They're not a 1-for-1 in talent, but the economics of it might make some sense for them.

We'll see.
I don't mind that Panarin idea. But the question then would be whether moving Kreider is a good idea if we're going the Panarin route.
And obviously what one of the contenders would be willing to give up for Panarin at the deadline, which I imagine would be quite a lot for a team in win now mode.

I don't mind trading Kreider, although he's going to need to fetch us something in the neighborhood of a first rounder. I'm just not too sure of what his price is right now. I'm hoping he's going to stay healthy and also be playing well when the deadline arrives.

Staying healthy is the big thing with him! He'll definitely have value...the question is how much.