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achilles wrote:I didn't claim the weed in his system made him act high, merely that it was plausible that his behavior convinced Zimmerman that he might be. And that the weed in his system showed it wasn't a huge leap.

As for the lean, no, it isn't a leap at all, considering Martin's own words online, where he admits being a lean addict, calls lean "awesome", and mentions that he intended to score some more. As for the ingredients, from my research, it uses a variety of ingredients. Arizona watermelon ice tea and skittles is one favorite combo for it.

S.F. Jude Terror wrote:Because people are incapable of recognizing that this issue can be viewed from more than two extreme, polar perspectives, so if you don't think Zimmerman was a racist murderer then you are a racist yourself, and if you don't think that Martin was a bloodthirsty, drug-crazed Thug who needed Zimmerman, a hero, to take him down for the good of society, then you are a guilty white race baiter.

It's amazing that to put me in one of those categories, people just ignore what I've been saying.

achilles wrote:I wouldn't put you in either category. I think you've been perfectly reasonable, even if we don't see entirely eye to eye on this.

What?! Stop that!

- Continuity is or it is not. There is no such thing as soft continuity.- A character IS his continuity.- Continuity is consistency of the characteristics of people, plot, objects, and places seen by the reader or viewer.

The Beast wrote:Aren't you in the same category of people who profiled Zimmerman in order to determine that he profiled Martin?

Wait a minute. Aren't you profiling him to say he profiled Zimmerman profiling Trayvon?

Oh no, I'm profiling you.

Hmmm, maybe there's something to this profiling thing...I think we used to call it experience.

- Continuity is or it is not. There is no such thing as soft continuity.- A character IS his continuity.- Continuity is consistency of the characteristics of people, plot, objects, and places seen by the reader or viewer.

Roderick Scott: The ‘Black George Zimmerman’ Acquitted of Murder in 2009

Trayvon Martin’s death at the hands of George Zimmerman elicited multiple protests across the nation. Not so with Roderick Scott’s shooting of Christopher Cervini. Image by David Shankbone

Zimmerman and Scott Case Similarities

Zimmerman’s reason for leaving his car and following Trayvon Martin was so that he would not lose sight of him before police arrived. Scott testified that he left his home because he lived in a rather isolated area and the teens would have been long gone by the time police arrived.

Both Zimmerman and Scott made 911 calls although Scott’s girlfriend made the actual call at Scott’s request. These calls went a long way in negating intent; people who are looking for a fight or intentionally want to inflict harm against another, usually do not telephone the authorities and advise them of their location.Zimmerman got involved with Martin because, as a member of the neighborhood watch, he was trying to prevent crimes in his general area rather than crimes that directly affected him; there was a lot of crime in the gated area where Zimmerman lived.

Similarly, there were a lot of property crimes in Scott’s neighborhood, and by the time Scott got outside, the teens had moved on to someone else’s vehicle and the 42-year-old was not personally being victimized.

Both men were never confronted or victimized at the time they left their car or home to encounter the two teens that would eventually be shot dead.Both Zimmerman and Scott had legal permits for the weapons they used.

Despite these parallels, the two cases are not exactly the same.

Major Differences Between the Martin and Cervini Deaths

At the time Zimmerman decided to leave his vehicle and follow Martin, he had no proof the 17-year-old was engaged in illegal activity. There was never any evidence that Martin was doing anything other than returning to the residence where he was staying after a trip to a convenience store.

Scott actually observed Cervini and the other two breaking into cars at the time he confronted them, unlike Martin who was simply walking when Zimmerman began following him.

Although Martin had traces of marijuana in his body at the time he died, there is no evidence it affected his behavior that night. Cervini, on the other hand not only had amphetamines and marijuana in his system, but he had more than the legal limit of alcohol in his blood when he died; according to accounts, he got drunk from a stolen bottle of gin.

According to Zimmerman, Martin sucker punched him and knocked his head on the ground before Zimmerman took out his gun and shot Martin. The jury did not have to believe this to acquit him; all they had to decide there was a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman was not acting in self defense when he shot Martin. And there was some physical evidence, namely injuries to Zimmerman’s face and head, to corroborate Zimmerman’s version of events.

The evidence in the Scott case, including that from the defendant, was that there was never any direct physical contact between him and the deceased. In this regard, his use of the justification defense was not nearly as strong as Zimmerman’s. While Zimmerman could not be expected to retreat while Martin was on top of him, slamming his head into the pavement, Scott did not even try to retreat from Cervini, who was unarmed and not in direct contact with him.

Another major difference between the two cases is the media coverage. Although there were a few articles published after Martin was killed that compared the two cases, there was virtually no coverage of the Scott case in 2009, other than by the local media in the Rochester area.

Trayvon Martin vs. Christopher Cervini

Those who are saying that if Zimmerman had been black and Martin white, he would have been convicted, should take a good look at the Scott case.

Despite the fact the verdict in the Scott case resulted in one less African American being incarcerated in an American prison, neither President Obama, nor Rev. Al Sharpton – nor the NAACP have chosen to publicly comment on the jury’s decision

I remember this case, and I thought the same thing then, there was no reason to confront these guys, no one was in danger. We support a huge infrastructure of police whom are trained to handle situations like this so people don't get killed.

It's one thing if someone's in your house, but, to go out looking for trouble with a gun is always a bad idea.

Both of these situations indicate to me that 17 year old boys need mandatory military service to break them of that goddamned thug mindset and get through their thick skulls what it means to be a productive member of society rather than attacking innocent people whenever the mood strikes them.

They need to follow the example of upstanding citizens like Roderick Scott and George Zimmerman.

"George Zimmerman has surfaced for the first time since his acquittal—in the most unexpected of ways. Sanford's police department captain today tells ABC News that what the network is calling "the first known sighting" of Zimmerman was a heroic one: He "pulled an individual from a truck that had rolled over" in Florida, at the I-4/Route 417 intersection. The crash apparently happened last week."

Now, if only we could get Roderick Scott to become a paparazzo assigned to Kanye West...