danbri_lap: by Bill Vennersdanbri_lap: "For social programming to work, specifications must in theory be strictly adhered to by both providers and consumers. But some systems seem to work in practice with loose adherence to specifications, systems in which sloppy providers and forgiving consumers are the norm. How important is strict adherence to contracts? "danbri_lap: This, recast somewhat, could be a good argument for XML wellformedness + namespaces as a flexible baseline, with RDF providing some scruffy-friendly structure on top of that...danbri_lap: But I don't like all these noises I'm hearing lately about illformed "XML" being an acceptable thing to publish, citing RSS as motivation...

DanC: libby got a p800, which caused DanC to wonder about SyncML in the opensource/debian/linux worldDanC: dajobe reports: Parts are already in the kernel, in debian and in gnome or p800 developers near here are working on them.DanC: e.g. sync4j

timb|: Send additions/updates/corrections to tools at daml.org.DanC: a daml/rdf/xml version is available tootimb|: I would like to see a rough categorization betwen commercial and academic projects, as now people are looking for serious products.jhendler_: (DAML -> DAML+OIL -> OWL ) for those not tracking ontologies on the web...DanC: cited from tools section of WebOnt WG now.timb|: When someone tells you about the next cool tool, make sure they have sent it to this list.

jhendler_: web site entirely driven from ontologies and RDF data, using lots of RDF toolsjhendler_: authorable in N3 (sorry, password protected for now)jhendler_: all hierarchical indentation and the like is generated from RDF query results and the accompanying OWLjhendler_: ontologiesjhendler_: the RDF Map pulls all the classes and shows instancesjhendler_: Credit to the Mindswap group and particularly the Alfords (bayta and ronwalf) and BijanDanC: I'd like to see "oh yeah?" buttons. 1500 bonus points if you can implement themDanC: meanwhile, the people page is already pretty interesting. How decentralized is it?jhendler_: relatively - if you add a new person in N3, define a type for them and make it an appropriate sublcass, it will show up

libby: specifically, I was wondering if people would mind looking at examples of Geographical location RDFlibby: if I've missed something out or some something dumb, I'd like to know :)libby: not sure if negative longs make sense for example...

AaronSw: 'Unfortunately word also leaked to the TAG (Table Advocacy Group), and they were outraged. Jim Lerners-Lee had this to say. "I hate all this newfangled crap. XHTML2, XFORMS, CSS3. It's all so complicated. Me, I like tables. Good old-fashioned tables. Especially when used with the blink tag. Safari is obviously taking a dangerous stance by dropping support for tables, since everyone knows they are the backbone of the modern Web

AaronSw: "Today, the W3C announced a new initiative to emphasize ease of implementation in specification design. 'Encouraging adoption is the most important part of making protocols useful for the future internet' said Tim Berners-Lee."