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Am I supposed to industrialize this easy with Russia?

It's the late 1840s and I lead industrialization? I just think it has been too easy. Russia barely industrialized during the 1800s, but I managed to become top of the game in barely 10 years. And I didn't even do anything special, just encouraged craftsmen, capitalists and clergy.

Don't get overconfident, Russia at the beginning is easy to industrialize fast as it is a huge Great Power with a fairly high population, however later you will see that Germany, UK and France will catch up with you fast. This is because you start with a very low 10% literacy and a low administration due to lack of bureaucrats. So you should instead focus on getting 100% of bureaucrats and then increasing literacy through maximum education spending and promoting clergy by national focus. Also research the techs in cultural tab that increase education efficiency and research. Otherwise you risk falling far behind other Great Powers by 1900 or even losing Great Power status to China or Ecuador. Trust me, this happened to me in my first game as Russia because I ignored low literacy and lack of bureaucrats.

The point still stands that in the early game (and often in the mid game also) russia is far too industrialized to be realistic. It is fine if the russian government chooses a state capitalist party and builds factories everywhere, but there really shouldn't be any laborers to fill them before serfdom is abolished.

The point still stands that in the early game (and often in the mid game also) russia is far too industrialized to be realistic. It is fine if the russian government chooses a state capitalist party and builds factories everywhere, but there really shouldn't be any laborers to fill them before serfdom is abolished.

But serfdom is not in the game, which makes the poor Russians too mobile.

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Part of the problem is the absent transportation costs, making building factories everywhere in Russia too easy. While it should only be possible in a small part of western Russia and pacific coast. Also, railroads are too easy to build and population density doesn´t matter, while industrialization only happened in densely populated areas. Vicky 2 economic complexity is pretty shallow if you look closely.

The serfdom in Russia should really be simulated. I'd suggest there being a special "Serf" pop which would fill the same role as farmers and labourers but with the exception of being unable to promote/demote. Would work nicely I think.

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No need for special rules for Russia... make a special "Population Density" modifier that would affect craftsmen promotion. There, simple and elegant and would apply to other countries. Easier than create a new Pop type.

No need for special rules for Russia... make a special "Population Density" modifier that would affect craftsmen promotion. There, simple and elegant and would apply to other countries. Easier than create a new Pop type.

But what you fail to see is that the situation was special in Russia. They were the only country that still had serfdom. That is what prevented Russian industry from really growing. Also, what does "Population Density" have to do with this anyways?

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The point people are trying to make is that slaves produce only a fraction of what farmers produce, have no consumption, and no rights. This would:
a. Cause Russia's economy to be absolute garbage due to producing a miniscule amount compared to any other civilized country.
b. Russia would have almost no internal market, only what is consumed by the middle/upper class.
c. In the event that Russia had universal (weighted or equal) voting before it was abolished, serfs would not be able to vote and it would basically be a wealth voting system.

Slaves and farmers are very different in this game. What people are suggesting is modeled is that serfs have the same rights and roles as farmers/labourers, with the explicit exception of mobility (class and geographic).

Lack of social mobility for serfs.
Massive cost of building factories in remote parts of russia.
Near-impossibility of getting raw materials to those factories without highly developed rail nets.
Rail nets too easy to build.

The first two really only apply to Russia (in europe), and the second two are general points in the game. The amazing thing is that russia is already set up to be a backward nation--it gets a research tech that severely reduces industrial research, and its literacy is very low.

The only thing that might help is setting russia back even further technologically than it is (in industry). Russia was a massive resource exporter, but simply lacked the infrastructure to convert those resources to finished goods before the late 1800s. Before WW1, the russians exported coal from the south and imported it from the baltic in the north to fuel their factories there because there were no rail nets avaiable to bring it north directly. This is not modelled in game.

Also, serfs weren't slaves. The main issue is that russian serfs weren't educated at all and so had no conception of life outside of their villages.

I might add that Austria also "suffers" from becoming too industrialized in-game because its pasants are also way too mobile, and its poor transportation networks not properly modelled. So these are not issues that only affect russia.