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The Stinker Returns
10:31am Fri 21 Feb 14

Not again. I know this is a horrible thing to happen to the person who is hit by the train but it's the train drivers I feel most sorry for. I was delayed for hours last Friday because of this and I'm afraid I think it is a very selfish thing to do.

Not again. I know this is a horrible thing to happen to the person who is hit by the train but it's the train drivers I feel most sorry for. I was delayed for hours last Friday because of this and I'm afraid I think it is a very selfish thing to do.The Stinker Returns

Not again. I know this is a horrible thing to happen to the person who is hit by the train but it's the train drivers I feel most sorry for. I was delayed for hours last Friday because of this and I'm afraid I think it is a very selfish thing to do.

Score: 30

wardyt
11:25am Fri 21 Feb 14

The Stinker Returns wrote…

Not again. I know this is a horrible thing to happen to the person who is hit by the train but it's the train drivers I feel most sorry for. I was delayed for hours last Friday because of this and I'm afraid I think it is a very selfish thing to do.

It doesn't say it was suicide. It could have been an accident, as could have the two incidents last week.

[quote][p][bold]The Stinker Returns[/bold] wrote:
Not again. I know this is a horrible thing to happen to the person who is hit by the train but it's the train drivers I feel most sorry for. I was delayed for hours last Friday because of this and I'm afraid I think it is a very selfish thing to do.[/p][/quote]It doesn't say it was suicide. It could have been an accident, as could have the two incidents last week.wardyt

The Stinker Returns wrote…

Not again. I know this is a horrible thing to happen to the person who is hit by the train but it's the train drivers I feel most sorry for. I was delayed for hours last Friday because of this and I'm afraid I think it is a very selfish thing to do.

It doesn't say it was suicide. It could have been an accident, as could have the two incidents last week.

Score: 5

Boris
12:04pm Fri 21 Feb 14

I agree with both the above. Yes, it is selfish of a suicidal person to choose this method, because in many cases the driver will never drive a train again.
But people planning suicide are mentally unstable, and you cannot expect them to act with consideration for others.
It seems to be so common these days, and every story like this will encourage someone else to do the same. I wonder if drivers are now getting used to the idea that, once or twice in their working lives, something like this will happen, and there is no reason for them to feel guilt.
As for the delays to train passengers, they can all claim full refunds if delayed for over 60 minuites, and let's face it, if you went by road you would be just as likely to be delayed by some random accident. It's just one of those things that can happen at any time.
We must still respect the person who died, for s/he must have been suffering unimaginable torment. And, as wardyt says, it may not have been suicide at all.

I agree with both the above. Yes, it is selfish of a suicidal person to choose this method, because in many cases the driver will never drive a train again.
But people planning suicide are mentally unstable, and you cannot expect them to act with consideration for others.
It seems to be so common these days, and every story like this will encourage someone else to do the same. I wonder if drivers are now getting used to the idea that, once or twice in their working lives, something like this will happen, and there is no reason for them to feel guilt.
As for the delays to train passengers, they can all claim full refunds if delayed for over 60 minuites, and let's face it, if you went by road you would be just as likely to be delayed by some random accident. It's just one of those things that can happen at any time.
We must still respect the person who died, for s/he must have been suffering unimaginable torment. And, as wardyt says, it may not have been suicide at all.Boris

I agree with both the above. Yes, it is selfish of a suicidal person to choose this method, because in many cases the driver will never drive a train again.
But people planning suicide are mentally unstable, and you cannot expect them to act with consideration for others.
It seems to be so common these days, and every story like this will encourage someone else to do the same. I wonder if drivers are now getting used to the idea that, once or twice in their working lives, something like this will happen, and there is no reason for them to feel guilt.
As for the delays to train passengers, they can all claim full refunds if delayed for over 60 minuites, and let's face it, if you went by road you would be just as likely to be delayed by some random accident. It's just one of those things that can happen at any time.
We must still respect the person who died, for s/he must have been suffering unimaginable torment. And, as wardyt says, it may not have been suicide at all.

Score: 7

greenbroker
12:54pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Boris wrote…

I agree with both the above. Yes, it is selfish of a suicidal person to choose this method, because in many cases the driver will never drive a train again.
But people planning suicide are mentally unstable, and you cannot expect them to act with consideration for others.
It seems to be so common these days, and every story like this will encourage someone else to do the same. I wonder if drivers are now getting used to the idea that, once or twice in their working lives, something like this will happen, and there is no reason for them to feel guilt.
As for the delays to train passengers, they can all claim full refunds if delayed for over 60 minuites, and let's face it, if you went by road you would be just as likely to be delayed by some random accident. It's just one of those things that can happen at any time.
We must still respect the person who died, for s/he must have been suffering unimaginable torment. And, as wardyt says, it may not have been suicide at all.

You are correct Boris, but it's happening far too often now, even if they were 'accidents'.

[quote][p][bold]Boris[/bold] wrote:
I agree with both the above. Yes, it is selfish of a suicidal person to choose this method, because in many cases the driver will never drive a train again.
But people planning suicide are mentally unstable, and you cannot expect them to act with consideration for others.
It seems to be so common these days, and every story like this will encourage someone else to do the same. I wonder if drivers are now getting used to the idea that, once or twice in their working lives, something like this will happen, and there is no reason for them to feel guilt.
As for the delays to train passengers, they can all claim full refunds if delayed for over 60 minuites, and let's face it, if you went by road you would be just as likely to be delayed by some random accident. It's just one of those things that can happen at any time.
We must still respect the person who died, for s/he must have been suffering unimaginable torment. And, as wardyt says, it may not have been suicide at all.[/p][/quote]You are correct Boris, but it's happening far too often now, even if they were 'accidents'.greenbroker

Boris wrote…

I agree with both the above. Yes, it is selfish of a suicidal person to choose this method, because in many cases the driver will never drive a train again.
But people planning suicide are mentally unstable, and you cannot expect them to act with consideration for others.
It seems to be so common these days, and every story like this will encourage someone else to do the same. I wonder if drivers are now getting used to the idea that, once or twice in their working lives, something like this will happen, and there is no reason for them to feel guilt.
As for the delays to train passengers, they can all claim full refunds if delayed for over 60 minuites, and let's face it, if you went by road you would be just as likely to be delayed by some random accident. It's just one of those things that can happen at any time.
We must still respect the person who died, for s/he must have been suffering unimaginable torment. And, as wardyt says, it may not have been suicide at all.

You are correct Boris, but it's happening far too often now, even if they were 'accidents'.

Score: 10

Bhudeeka
1:12pm Fri 21 Feb 14

lets get something straight - I have no sympathy fo rthese people they are totally selfish and we don NOT get full refunds far from it and 99% of us commuters are sick to the back teeth of it - we don't even get a refund worthy of quarter of a one way trip!!!!

lets get something straight - I have no sympathy fo rthese people they are totally selfish and we don NOT get full refunds far from it and 99% of us commuters are sick to the back teeth of it - we don't even get a refund worthy of quarter of a one way trip!!!!Bhudeeka

lets get something straight - I have no sympathy fo rthese people they are totally selfish and we don NOT get full refunds far from it and 99% of us commuters are sick to the back teeth of it - we don't even get a refund worthy of quarter of a one way trip!!!!

Score: 2

cynicalsubber
1:45pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Bhudeeka, I don't feel that sorry for the suicides, feeling far sorrier for the drivers, but accidents CAN happen, and we shouldn't be too quick to judge. Perhaps a more important question is why there are so many places where people can access the tracks - when I was commuting we were once delayed for ages by a bunch of youths who had managed to get on the line, somewhere just after Shenfield, if I remember correctly.

Bhudeeka, I don't feel that sorry for the suicides, feeling far sorrier for the drivers, but accidents CAN happen, and we shouldn't be too quick to judge. Perhaps a more important question is why there are so many places where people can access the tracks - when I was commuting we were once delayed for ages by a bunch of youths who had managed to get on the line, somewhere just after Shenfield, if I remember correctly.cynicalsubber

Bhudeeka, I don't feel that sorry for the suicides, feeling far sorrier for the drivers, but accidents CAN happen, and we shouldn't be too quick to judge. Perhaps a more important question is why there are so many places where people can access the tracks - when I was commuting we were once delayed for ages by a bunch of youths who had managed to get on the line, somewhere just after Shenfield, if I remember correctly.

Score: 5

The Stinker Returns
2:16pm Fri 21 Feb 14

I used to live in Shenfield and there were plenty of places you could get on the tracks. It isn't just a matter of being able to claim back part of the cost of your journey. Being delayed with thousands of angry commuters who are all trying to get home or somewhere else, many of whom have children to collect (or pay a premium to the nursery) and a whole range of other commitments. When someone decides to top themseves (assuming this wasn't an accident) then they are causing misery to thousands of people, not just the driver, their own families, but every other person caught up in the mess. The crowds at Liverpool Street station last Friday when one train announced it was actually going could easily have caused harm with the amount of people scrambling to get down the platform and onto a seat. Very unpleasant and caused by (I'm so sorry to say) one person's selfish act. There are other ways.

I used to live in Shenfield and there were plenty of places you could get on the tracks. It isn't just a matter of being able to claim back part of the cost of your journey. Being delayed with thousands of angry commuters who are all trying to get home or somewhere else, many of whom have children to collect (or pay a premium to the nursery) and a whole range of other commitments. When someone decides to top themseves (assuming this wasn't an accident) then they are causing misery to thousands of people, not just the driver, their own families, but every other person caught up in the mess. The crowds at Liverpool Street station last Friday when one train announced it was actually going could easily have caused harm with the amount of people scrambling to get down the platform and onto a seat. Very unpleasant and caused by (I'm so sorry to say) one person's selfish act. There are other ways.The Stinker Returns

I used to live in Shenfield and there were plenty of places you could get on the tracks. It isn't just a matter of being able to claim back part of the cost of your journey. Being delayed with thousands of angry commuters who are all trying to get home or somewhere else, many of whom have children to collect (or pay a premium to the nursery) and a whole range of other commitments. When someone decides to top themseves (assuming this wasn't an accident) then they are causing misery to thousands of people, not just the driver, their own families, but every other person caught up in the mess. The crowds at Liverpool Street station last Friday when one train announced it was actually going could easily have caused harm with the amount of people scrambling to get down the platform and onto a seat. Very unpleasant and caused by (I'm so sorry to say) one person's selfish act. There are other ways.

Score: 10

keith_l
5:01pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Bhudeeka wrote…

lets get something straight - I have no sympathy fo rthese people they are totally selfish and we don NOT get full refunds far from it and 99% of us commuters are sick to the back teeth of it - we don't even get a refund worthy of quarter of a one way trip!!!!

The refund policy is very clear.

If the delay is 60 mins or over you get the full value of one journey. If you have a season ticket the assumey 5 days per week - 10 journeys. A typical month therefore has has 44/46 journeys. The last refund that I had just before Christmas for the storm disruption was £9 per trip, which works ut about right for a monthly fare of approx £380 from Witham.

If the delay is 30-60 minutes you get half that.

My only issue is that they use their own figures for the length of delay which aren't always right if it is close to 30 or 60 mins.

Not sure where Bhudeeka's claim of one quarter comes from?

[quote][p][bold]Bhudeeka[/bold] wrote:
lets get something straight - I have no sympathy fo rthese people they are totally selfish and we don NOT get full refunds far from it and 99% of us commuters are sick to the back teeth of it - we don't even get a refund worthy of quarter of a one way trip!!!![/p][/quote]The refund policy is very clear.
If the delay is 60 mins or over you get the full value of one journey. If you have a season ticket the assumey 5 days per week - 10 journeys. A typical month therefore has has 44/46 journeys. The last refund that I had just before Christmas for the storm disruption was £9 per trip, which works ut about right for a monthly fare of approx £380 from Witham.
If the delay is 30-60 minutes you get half that.
My only issue is that they use their own figures for the length of delay which aren't always right if it is close to 30 or 60 mins.
Not sure where Bhudeeka's claim of one quarter comes from?keith_l

Bhudeeka wrote…

lets get something straight - I have no sympathy fo rthese people they are totally selfish and we don NOT get full refunds far from it and 99% of us commuters are sick to the back teeth of it - we don't even get a refund worthy of quarter of a one way trip!!!!

The refund policy is very clear.

If the delay is 60 mins or over you get the full value of one journey. If you have a season ticket the assumey 5 days per week - 10 journeys. A typical month therefore has has 44/46 journeys. The last refund that I had just before Christmas for the storm disruption was £9 per trip, which works ut about right for a monthly fare of approx £380 from Witham.

If the delay is 30-60 minutes you get half that.

My only issue is that they use their own figures for the length of delay which aren't always right if it is close to 30 or 60 mins.

Not sure where Bhudeeka's claim of one quarter comes from?

Score: 5

Boris
8:14pm Fri 21 Feb 14

keith_l wrote…

Bhudeeka wrote…

lets get something straight - I have no sympathy fo rthese people they are totally selfish and we don NOT get full refunds far from it and 99% of us commuters are sick to the back teeth of it - we don't even get a refund worthy of quarter of a one way trip!!!!

The refund policy is very clear.

If the delay is 60 mins or over you get the full value of one journey. If you have a season ticket the assumey 5 days per week - 10 journeys. A typical month therefore has has 44/46 journeys. The last refund that I had just before Christmas for the storm disruption was £9 per trip, which works ut about right for a monthly fare of approx £380 from Witham.

If the delay is 30-60 minutes you get half that.

My only issue is that they use their own figures for the length of delay which aren't always right if it is close to 30 or 60 mins.

Not sure where Bhudeeka's claim of one quarter comes from?

Bhudeeka's claim of a quarter is invented. You have explained the procedure perfectly. If she can't be bothered filling in the forms, maybe she should download that app for refunds which is descrvbed in another story to-day.

[quote][p][bold]keith_l[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Bhudeeka[/bold] wrote:
lets get something straight - I have no sympathy fo rthese people they are totally selfish and we don NOT get full refunds far from it and 99% of us commuters are sick to the back teeth of it - we don't even get a refund worthy of quarter of a one way trip!!!![/p][/quote]The refund policy is very clear.
If the delay is 60 mins or over you get the full value of one journey. If you have a season ticket the assumey 5 days per week - 10 journeys. A typical month therefore has has 44/46 journeys. The last refund that I had just before Christmas for the storm disruption was £9 per trip, which works ut about right for a monthly fare of approx £380 from Witham.
If the delay is 30-60 minutes you get half that.
My only issue is that they use their own figures for the length of delay which aren't always right if it is close to 30 or 60 mins.
Not sure where Bhudeeka's claim of one quarter comes from?[/p][/quote]Bhudeeka's claim of a quarter is invented. You have explained the procedure perfectly. If she can't be bothered filling in the forms, maybe she should download that app for refunds which is descrvbed in another story to-day.Boris

keith_l wrote…

Bhudeeka wrote…

lets get something straight - I have no sympathy fo rthese people they are totally selfish and we don NOT get full refunds far from it and 99% of us commuters are sick to the back teeth of it - we don't even get a refund worthy of quarter of a one way trip!!!!

The refund policy is very clear.

If the delay is 60 mins or over you get the full value of one journey. If you have a season ticket the assumey 5 days per week - 10 journeys. A typical month therefore has has 44/46 journeys. The last refund that I had just before Christmas for the storm disruption was £9 per trip, which works ut about right for a monthly fare of approx £380 from Witham.

If the delay is 30-60 minutes you get half that.

My only issue is that they use their own figures for the length of delay which aren't always right if it is close to 30 or 60 mins.

Not sure where Bhudeeka's claim of one quarter comes from?

Bhudeeka's claim of a quarter is invented. You have explained the procedure perfectly. If she can't be bothered filling in the forms, maybe she should download that app for refunds which is descrvbed in another story to-day.

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