Yeah, tbh, bro, you got extremely lucky to win the first battle to begin with. 4.x and up requires a full on Devil’s Fury 2x Whispering Rings at bare minimum to advance offensively before. Really, that still hasn’t changed…and it might even be easier if you have mage mains.

Nah, that’s not the point. With proper strategy and equipement you can win all the fights to Polynices [including him] before 60 level of heros (and probably a few more, but after that I took a break to train Castor, and then came the update. Look for Attila as example (dmg he is taking and doing) and main. It’s different, worse, with better equipement.

Yeah, tbh, bro, you got extremely lucky to win the first battle to begin with. 4.x and up requires a full on Devil’s Fury 2x Whispering Rings at bare minimum to advance offensively before. Really, that still hasn’t changed…and it might even be easier if you have mage mains.

I got all the way up to Helen without that stuff. It’s not that hard. It just requires actual thinking and strategy.

The Decapitate Suit and Firm Suit for a total of +38 strength with all the items being +60 allowed me to advance all the way up to Helen quite easily so long as I switched my heros around a little bit depending on the battle. Now, however, it’s impossible. I had Philippe, Attila, and Imperial Paladin Main with Andromeda/Merlin and I did fine before the update. And after leveling Castor up to handle the same equipment I was able to make quite a bit of progress against Helen as well, managing to get her down all the way to 1k troops before I died. A little more levelling, or a higher blacksmith level would have allowed me to pass that area before the update.

Now? I’m not going to get past it anytime soon because not only do I do not even do 5% of the damage I used to do with Castor, I now take about 50% more damage FROM the enemies. With Castor before the update I did about 2000+ damage against the troops in Helen’s fight, now I do 100 on average, except when using Tiger’s roar (which does 2000 to each, except when against things like Medusa and Stheno or other monster like that). And they do somewhere around 2000-2500 damage.

Then please post your strategy for each race (and if you can only find one viable strategy for one race, then that’s not “still possible” for most of the people playing) so that people can stop complaining and get past this. Just one thing: Getting to level 80 for all heros and having full Pluto/Chaos/Dragon-essence/Dragon-soul isn’t really a viable strategy if that’s what you were thinking.

Originally posted by VaticToxic:Then please post your strategy for each race (and if you can only find one viable strategy for one race, then that’s not “still possible” for most of the people playing) so that people can stop complaining and get past this. Just one thing: Getting to level 80 for all heros and having full Pluto/Chaos/Dragon-essence/Dragon-soul isn’t really a viable strategy if that’s what you were thinking.

If the only way to get past 4.1-4.5 is to brute force it so much that it requires you to be lvl 80 and have full +80 regalia on CASTOR, then that’s not really “strategy” so much as it is “HULKSMASH.” And if you weren’t already at Castor you are, essentially, screwed.

nice try Betel. but you snuck a Ring of Dragon demons ring in there which is a lot of extra physical attack, got a Santa hat and shield (which many trying to go through 4.x now probably don’t have as they weren’t around for xmas event or weren’t high enough to win the lvl 60 event), not to mention all your stuff is probably +80. I would guess your total phys attack is 3100 on level 80 castor commanding about 7500 troops with 125 strength. it ain’t possible for someone level 70 to come close to those same stats.

nice try Betel. but you snuck a Ring of Dragon demons ring in there which is a lot of extra physical attack, got a Santa hat and shield (which many trying to go through 4.x now probably don’t have as they weren’t around for xmas event or weren’t high enough to win the lvl 60 event), not to mention all your stuff is probably +80. I would guess your total phys attack is 3100 on level 80 castor commanding about 7500 troops with 125 strength. it ain’t possible for someone level 70 to come close to those same stats.

I snuck a Dragon Ring when I clearly showed it? Indeed a nice try.
You need the Christmas shield and hat? I doubt it.
Does a lvl 70 really need a supercharged Castor to win? Really?

If the only way to get past 4.1-4.5 is to brute force it so much that it requires you to be lvl 80 and have full +80 regalia on CASTOR, then that’s not really “strategy” so much as it is “HULKSMASH1.” And if you weren’t already at Castor you are, essentially, screwed. 2

So tell me then, what is a strategy? When you can actually use heroes other than Castor? Not one-shotting stuff? Barely winning?
Who the hell cares if you beat chapter 4 at a certain level? More bragging rights for yourself?1

Yeah man, it’s not like Atilla can’t AOE and Kublai attack horizontally with bleeding effect while doing significant damage to the enemy. Not to mention a Carl, a pure murderer even with 2 Ring of Fears and Blood tome.2

Strategy can only happen when you can get through something more than one way. Please read the first four words in that post once again. “IF THEONLYWAY” is that way, then there’s no strategy at all.

I never said anything about bragging rights. I’d like to be able to progress without being forced to move to another area until I’m ready, or without being forced to wait WEEKS while my heros are forced to level up to an adequate level. Being unable to do anything because I’m unable to progress means that the only thing I’m going to do in the game is log on every X number of hours to upgrade my buildings and start the training of my heros again.

A big part of most games is the player feeling like they’ve “accomplished” something, regardless oif whether that’s actually the case or not. You can call that bragging rights, but when you never brag about it to anyone it’s disqualified as such automatically.

Significant damage means nothing when you take enough damage to kill you before you can hit them more than once.

However, it is nice to know how much you like to shove words down my throat. Are you that offended about criticism towards a game?

No, you are just making up your own definition of strategy.
And perhaps you can look at the STRATEGY button at an NPC and see that people use different builds to dish out damage for different mobs and not just MERLINCASTORMERLINCASTORMERLINCASTOR.

Also, I couldn’t care at all if you want to level suppress. You practically just said you take more damage from enemies and do less damage after the update and now you’re finding it impossible to progress through the gates. I don’t know why you’d rather stay at the same spot and getting obliterated instead of bothering to level up and improve your abilities and actually BEAT Helen. But no, you think going to a new region is more time wasting with all the training, leveling and since you are not ready. Seriously, you’ve made it to Helen under level 60 (I assume) and now you are stuck. Are you not convinced that you AREREADY to move on to the next region?

And an accomplishment is an accomplishment, there are a plethora of other things to accomplish other than that.
No I am not offended by you criticism (which I don’t think as criticism).

No, you are just making up your own definition of strategy.
And perhaps you can look at the STRATEGY button at an NPC and see that people use different builds to dish out damage for different mobs and not just MERLINCASTORMERLINCASTORMERLINCASTOR.

Also, I couldn’t care at all if you want to level suppress. You practically just said you take more damage from enemies and do less damage after the update and now you’re finding it impossible to progress through the gates. I don’t know why you’d rather stay at the same spot and getting obliterated instead of bothering to level up and improve your abilities and actually BEAT Helen. But no, you think going to a new region is more time wasting with all the training, leveling and since you are not ready. Seriously, you’ve made it to Helen under level 60 (I assume) and now you are stuck. Are you not convinced that you AREREADY to move on to the next region?

And an accomplishment is an accomplishment, there are a plethora of other things to accomplish other than that.
No I am not offended by you criticism (which I don’t think as criticism).

“Strategy, a word of military origin, refers to a plan of action designed to achieve a particular goal.”
“4. a plan, method, or series of maneuvers or stratagems for obtaining a specific goal or result: a strategy for getting ahead in the world.”
These both imply there’s more than one way to go about getting what you want. That you don’t have to build up an unbeatable army of epic proportions to get what you want. That you have a series of steps that you can put into place to get somewhere, like how you can use more than just one set of items until level 30, or how some heros are “better” then others but can still be useless in certain situations.

Before the update I was a couple of levels from beating Helen with Attila, Imperial Paladin, and Castor with Andromeda/Merlin. Then the update happened, and the only way I can see me beating Helen is through brute force via magic, which is rather dull in a strategy game. I’m sorry that I like to be able to re-arrange things and try to beat enemies without resorting to things everyone else has done hundreds of times. Maybe it’s the fact that I play games that often give options and I’ve been spoiled by that. Or that I was doing that through all of 4.1-4.2 and it was a nice change of pace to be required to use something other than the Charge Array in my battles.

I did say that I take more damage and do less damage after the update. I did not say I’d rather stay in the same spot (though it’s nice to know you like shoving words down my throat still). I was improving my abilities, so please stop saying I said I wasn’t. Going to a new region when I don’t have everything I want caught up is a bit of a waste. I was talking about how I’m now unable to do ANYTHING, and in fact have had to go BACK in my Gates in order to win any battle, now. It’d be nice to not have to wait weeks because I have to completely redo my formations and heros to get anything done now because I had been using a physical team and they now can’t do anything.

Other accomplishments? Like what? Elite instances…oh wait, can’t do those. They’re harder than 4.1, and I’m being SLAUGHTERED in just 4.1. What about legions? Well, can’t do 4.1 if I can’t even beat the first battle there anymore, and I don’t need most of the items in the legions before those. How about capital? Well, there’s that…but that’s just more time wasting with nothing else to do. So what about leveling heros…oh, wait, already doing that. Same with building levelling. Maybe PvP? Not likely. Everyone else seems to have Hecate/Castor at 80 with enough damage to wipe out whatever I have in 1-2 shots.

If you aren’t offended, why do you keep shoving words down my throat? Typically I’ve found that people that are offended are more likely to assume things about others without proof and even try to damn them for things they haven’t said or things that were only barely implied.

So then you admit Merlin + Castor is a strategy then. Since it is not the only strategy to win.
Whatever, you are the one playing. This game is like a sandbox, where you can experiment all you want. And if that is what you want to do, be my guest. Although don’t expect to progress much.

I’m pretty sure you’re staying in the same spot, since you could move up if you wanted too. And yeah, I was mistaken by saying you’re not improving your abilities (although it is very limited).

Leaving the accomplishments aside, since us players have different goals and approaches…

Well sorry, it seems like I exude that behavior when in an argument. And that I am not familiar with this ‘shoving words down your throat’. Maybe I should try wording it in a more mild taste.

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