These are good but the only problem is the local council won't let us put one up even though we are on a blind bend and cars race past way over the speed limit.

7th Mar 2011

How do you go about getting permission to put one up, live in the country and there is a blind T junction on a single lane road that i had a head on bump going round a corner only a few weeks ago. Tempted to buy one and put it up and see what happens

7th Mar 2011

smudgemobile

These are good but the only problem is the local council won't let us put … These are good but the only problem is the local council won't let us put one up even though we are on a blind bend and cars race past way over the speed limit.

That's unbelieveable! The council are a bunch of pen pushing bellends!!!

Edited by: "Gball" 7th Mar 2011

7th Mar 2011

Gball

The council are a bunch of pen pushing bellends!!! That's unbelieveable! … The council are a bunch of pen pushing bellends!!! That's unbelieveable! The council are a bunch of pen pushing bellends!!!

Pmsl, that is a fair observational comment.

7th Mar 2011

They can't stop you if it goes on private land. They can stop you if you put it on a verge belonging to the council.

Their argument is that the distorted view from the mirrors makes bicycles and motorbikes difficult to see. My argument is that without one everything is difficult to see.

7th Mar 2011

The council cannot stop anything like this if it being used to prevent an accident so long as it is not causing damage to the lamp post it is put on. Speak to your local Parish council who will be able to advise under their powers. It will be your property should it be broken and for you to clean up.

7th Mar 2011

lol

7th Mar 2011

Can i get freesat with this?

7th Mar 2011

briggsa30

The council cannot stop anything like this if it being used to prevent an … The council cannot stop anything like this if it being used to prevent an accident so long as it is not causing damage to the lamp post it is put on. Speak to your local Parish council who will be able to advise under their powers. It will be your property should it be broken and for you to clean up.

Yes they can stop it if it is located anywhere within the public highway (road, footpath, verge) right up to the boundary of the private land (Highways Act 1980) - you require a licence to place something on highway land (which would never get approval as there is a blanket ban on these mirrors being placed within the highway). Mirrors such as these are regarded in law as a traffic sign and as they are not an approved sign require special dispensation from the Department for Transport which is never given. Parish Councils have no powers above the Highway Authority. If the mirror was located on private land it would normally be subject to planning permission and as the Highway Authority is consulted on all planning permissions would again be rejected. Public liability insurance is required by both the land owner and the person who erected/ owns the mirror in the event that the mirror is cited as a contributory factor in a road traffic collision. The Highway Authority does have the right to remove a mirror that is located on private land if it is deemed to be a hazard to road users and will invoice the owner to recover costs.

Anyway back to pushing my pens...

7th Mar 2011

dona3853

Yes they can stop it if it is located anywhere within the public highway … Yes they can stop it if it is located anywhere within the public highway (road, footpath, verge) right up to the boundary of the private land (Highways Act 1980) - you require a licence to place something on highway land (which would never get approval as there is a blanket ban on these mirrors being placed within the highway). Mirrors such as these are regarded in law as a traffic sign and as they are not an approved sign require special dispensation from the Department for Transport which is never given. Parish Councils have no powers above the Highway Authority. If the mirror was located on private land it would normally be subject to planning permission and as the Highway Authority is consulted on all planning permissions would again be rejected. Public liability insurance is required by both the land owner and the person who erected/ owns the mirror in the event that the mirror is cited as a contributory factor in a road traffic collision. The Highway Authority does have the right to remove a mirror that is located on private land if it is deemed to be a hazard to road users and will invoice the owner to recover costs.Anyway back to pushing my pens...

Yay, law and bureaucracy getting in the way of common sense...However, can this bureaucracy not work both ways?

Ask for permission to install a mirror so as to improve safety. Permission refused.Accident occurs. Prove accident was avoidable with mirror. Department of Transport liable.

7th Mar 2011

TehJumpingJawa

Yay, law and bureaucracy getting in the way of common sense...However, … Yay, law and bureaucracy getting in the way of common sense...However, can this bureaucracy not work both ways?Ask for permission to install a mirror so as to improve safety. Permission refused.Accident occurs. Prove accident was avoidable with mirror. Department of Transport liable.

That's an interesting point but I doubt it would work both ways of course.

At my dentist they fine you £15 if you cancel late or don't turn up but when I turned up for an apointment which they couldn't honour due to an admin mistake on their behalf they weren't as forthcoming in handing over the cash in my direction.

7th Mar 2011

dona3853

Yes they can stop it if it is located anywhere within the public highway … Yes they can stop it if it is located anywhere within the public highway (road, footpath, verge) right up to the boundary of the private land (Highways Act 1980) - you require a licence to place something on highway land (which would never get approval as there is a blanket ban on these mirrors being placed within the highway). Mirrors such as these are regarded in law as a traffic sign and as they are not an approved sign require special dispensation from the Department for Transport which is never given. Parish Councils have no powers above the Highway Authority. If the mirror was located on private land it would normally be subject to planning permission and as the Highway Authority is consulted on all planning permissions would again be rejected. Public liability insurance is required by both the land owner and the person who erected/ owns the mirror in the event that the mirror is cited as a contributory factor in a road traffic collision. The Highway Authority does have the right to remove a mirror that is located on private land if it is deemed to be a hazard to road users and will invoice the owner to recover costs.Anyway back to pushing my pens...

Dona speaks the truth on powers etc.

I'm not sure that a mirror requires PP though.

One thing about planning in this country is that anyone can do what they want 'at risk' - ie you take the chance that someone will notice your development and that the planning dept may begin enforcement action and cause your build to be removed. If you get away with it for, I think, 4 years that you can then apply for a certificate of lawful development.

7th Mar 2011

mas99

I'm not sure that a mirror requires PP though.

Dependent on local authority and exact location. True not all will see it necessary. It does seem strange I know. The chances are if you are on a little country lane in the middle of nowhere it will go unnoticed but if it goes up on a busier road it will eventually get picked up by a highway inspection and disappear.

7th Mar 2011

Gball

That's unbelieveable! The council are a bunch of pen pushing bellends!!! … That's unbelieveable! The council are a bunch of pen pushing bellends!!!

I don't work for the council but I think it's a bit rough writing off several million people with a sweeping statement. Bear in mind they have to deal with an awful lot of clueless **** and for not very much money!

8th Mar 2011

mas99

Dona speaks the truth on powers etc.I'm not sure that a mirror requires … Dona speaks the truth on powers etc.I'm not sure that a mirror requires PP though. One thing about planning in this country is that anyone can do what they want 'at risk' - ie you take the chance that someone will notice your development and that the planning dept may begin enforcement action and cause your build to be removed. If you get away with it for, I think, 4 years that you can then apply for a certificate of lawful development.

If the mirror's not on your side of the property and effectively on someone elses (the council's) then I would imagine that you would need permission.

8th Mar 2011

I thought this would have gone hotter

8th Mar 2011

flopstocks

I thought this would have gone hotter

Maybe no one can be bothered to get an architect to draw up plans and get planning permission.