The Problem of Evil - Atheist Nexus2015-03-04T00:41:45Zhttp://www.atheistnexus.org/forum/topics/the-problem-of-evil?groupUrl=hangwithfriends&commentId=2182797%3AComment%3A1810296&xg_source=activity&groupId=2182797%3AGroup%3A1248185&feed=yes&xn_auth=nothewoodenwand
First, there is…tag:www.atheistnexus.org,2012-02-21:2182797:Comment:18650642012-02-21T10:43:01.902ZMadhukar Kulkarnihttp://www.atheistnexus.org/profile/MADHUKARKULKARNI
<p><a class="fn url" href="http://www.atheistnexus.org/group/hangwithfriends/forum/topic/listForContributor?user=3t1e6taqgu57y" rel="nofollow">thewoodenwand</a></p>
<p><em>First, there is no such thing as evil. Evil is a concept invented by man.</em></p>
<p><em>Wrong, there is evil, evil is when you consciously decide to harm something or someone,</em></p>
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<p>Both the things that you say are contradictory.</p>
<p>Evil is that evil does: It is man who does evil and it is man that…</p>
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<p><em>First, there is no such thing as evil. Evil is a concept invented by man.</em></p>
<p><em>Wrong, there is evil, evil is when you consciously decide to harm something or someone,</em></p>
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<p>Both the things that you say are contradictory.</p>
<p>Evil is that evil does: It is man who does evil and it is man that defines evil.</p>
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<p></p> "...we all will admit this de…tag:www.atheistnexus.org,2012-02-18:2182797:Comment:18618002012-02-18T11:29:01.176Ztom sarbeckhttp://www.atheistnexus.org/profile/TomSarbeck
<p>"...we all will admit this deep down."</p>
<p>I won't admit it, so your "we all all" is a fantasy.</p>
<p>"...we all will admit this deep down."</p>
<p>I won't admit it, so your "we all all" is a fantasy.</p> First murder is a sin even wh…tag:www.atheistnexus.org,2012-02-18:2182797:Comment:18617962012-02-18T09:58:58.820Zthewoodenwandhttp://www.atheistnexus.org/profile/thewoodenwand
<p>First murder is a sin even when killing a mass murder, we all will admit this deep down.</p>
<p>Next abortion, when is a fetus alive? when it can think, when its heart beats? when it has a spinal column, when it is joined as a pair of half DNA to a single complete DNA, is Sperm sacred? Killing is murder when you destroy a life, if you have not lived a life - it cannot be taken from you.</p>
<p>First murder is a sin even when killing a mass murder, we all will admit this deep down.</p>
<p>Next abortion, when is a fetus alive? when it can think, when its heart beats? when it has a spinal column, when it is joined as a pair of half DNA to a single complete DNA, is Sperm sacred? Killing is murder when you destroy a life, if you have not lived a life - it cannot be taken from you.</p> Wrong, there is evil, evil is…tag:www.atheistnexus.org,2012-02-18:2182797:Comment:18618522012-02-18T09:53:03.776Zthewoodenwandhttp://www.atheistnexus.org/profile/thewoodenwand
<p>Wrong, there is evil, evil is when you consciously decide to harm something or someone, you knowingly choice to do something for whatever reason that you know will cause pain or destroy beauty. God does not make any behavioral rules, or a devil. Do not not believe because you do not understand, decide to an atheist because you have no need for forgiveness, fairy stories or a social hierarchy that is unfair.</p>
<p>Wrong, there is evil, evil is when you consciously decide to harm something or someone, you knowingly choice to do something for whatever reason that you know will cause pain or destroy beauty. God does not make any behavioral rules, or a devil. Do not not believe because you do not understand, decide to an atheist because you have no need for forgiveness, fairy stories or a social hierarchy that is unfair.</p> You do not understand the def…tag:www.atheistnexus.org,2012-02-18:2182797:Comment:18620192012-02-18T09:47:04.945Zthewoodenwandhttp://www.atheistnexus.org/profile/thewoodenwand
<p>You do not understand the definition of the words, omnibenevolent, omniscient, omnipotent and the most important omnicausal. A benevolent god lets you live from one Planck time to the next, no time period is smaller. An omniscent god would be all things, every point in time or a 4 dimensional quantum holograph projector, omnipotent god would not be motivated to change things he set things in motion 14 billion years ago to see the results in our time line. If he if perfect then so are we and…</p>
<p>You do not understand the definition of the words, omnibenevolent, omniscient, omnipotent and the most important omnicausal. A benevolent god lets you live from one Planck time to the next, no time period is smaller. An omniscent god would be all things, every point in time or a 4 dimensional quantum holograph projector, omnipotent god would not be motivated to change things he set things in motion 14 billion years ago to see the results in our time line. If he if perfect then so are we and everything here is, today is a perfect explanation of what has happened or the past.</p>
<p>Things suck today because our forefathers did nothing to prevent it. And things will suck to more even worse if you do notthing to improve it. God has no opinion, he does not judge, he created the big bang to see if you would suck at being human and if the timeline you create moving forward would suck worse. Thank GOD there is no religion type God.</p> In point three God is a perfe…tag:www.atheistnexus.org,2012-02-18:2182797:Comment:18617862012-02-18T09:32:17.297Zthewoodenwandhttp://www.atheistnexus.org/profile/thewoodenwand
<p>In point three God is a perfectly good being that would want to prevent all evils is where you go way off track. If there is a god certain rules would apply, each with a certain hierarchy.</p>
<p>Everyone would have to admit the standard model in physics has to be the most powerful. next comes the established truths (facts of life), time goes in only one direction, etc.</p>
<p>Now your EVIL power, being or sin has to come in after these TRUTHS, religion would have you believe God breaks…</p>
<p>In point three God is a perfectly good being that would want to prevent all evils is where you go way off track. If there is a god certain rules would apply, each with a certain hierarchy.</p>
<p>Everyone would have to admit the standard model in physics has to be the most powerful. next comes the established truths (facts of life), time goes in only one direction, etc.</p>
<p>Now your EVIL power, being or sin has to come in after these TRUTHS, religion would have you believe God breaks these rules but he does not and can't. He would have created them if he created all and no proof of changes in the standard model or other facts of life have ever been substaiated. We must know this not have faith in it.</p>
<p>If there is a god he does not have to be goog he has to be better than that he has to be fair.</p>
<p>A fair god would put truths before fiction and your actions would have consequences. Every past action is why things are the way theyb are today.</p>
<p>A true GOD needs to be all powerful, if he can create the Universe like the the "creationists claim in only 6 days and he did it with everything having a "history" to appear older then it is (14 billion years of it) he has to be able to do that at anytime. The only way in the standard model allows this to be done is during sub-quantum time periods to small for gravity, mass and size to exist.</p>
<p>That number is Planck time 1/0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000054th of a second and he would have to create all mass in the Universe (not to mention othe dimensions and objects we have not jet detected) of about 600000000000000000000000000000000000-000000000000000000000000000000 kilograms of it and it occupys 100000000000000000000-00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000-00000000 cubic meters. If anything can do that WOW. Now the god or thing that can create all things in six days must be able to do what I describe above because he is all powerful.</p>
<p>The magic in it all is quantum mechanics lets all that happen but can not say how or why anything happens. You must have faith in time moving forward and all things (the universe )still being here tomorrow. You do not need faith in superstitiion, supernatural, fairy stories or even yourself. Just know you are here, things are better if your good and god will keep all sub-quantum things in place so we do not going popping in and out of existence, like photons and electrons do.</p>
<p> </p> Wanderer - As you and many ot…tag:www.atheistnexus.org,2012-02-17:2182797:Comment:18606892012-02-17T00:55:01.414ZSteven D Campagnahttp://www.atheistnexus.org/profile/StevenDCampagna
<p>Wanderer - As you and many others well know - there is a certain price to be paid when you resist authority - even your so-alled 'friends' abandon you...which eventually I was pleased about because i didn't want to be around or associate with such people.</p>
<p>The price paid for such an attitude within this society can scar you and while it may make you 'stronger' it also makes you damn angry at such a system.</p>
<p>Wanderer - As you and many others well know - there is a certain price to be paid when you resist authority - even your so-alled 'friends' abandon you...which eventually I was pleased about because i didn't want to be around or associate with such people.</p>
<p>The price paid for such an attitude within this society can scar you and while it may make you 'stronger' it also makes you damn angry at such a system.</p> Madhukar, when I say insensit…tag:www.atheistnexus.org,2012-01-16:2182797:Comment:18251712012-01-16T17:32:20.768Ztom sarbeckhttp://www.atheistnexus.org/profile/TomSarbeck
<p><em>Madhukar, when I say insensitivity does not reside in words, but in readers' sensitivities to words, I know well what I am saying</em>.</p>
<p>You have often shown your sensitivity to what others have said here, as you did in asking rhetorically (not for information, but to state your position) if I know what I'm saying.</p>
<p>You surely know there are no sensitivities in the marks you read on the screen; they are but marks on the screen. You react as you do and I react as I…</p>
<p><em>Madhukar, when I say insensitivity does not reside in words, but in readers' sensitivities to words, I know well what I am saying</em>.</p>
<p>You have often shown your sensitivity to what others have said here, as you did in asking rhetorically (not for information, but to state your position) if I know what I'm saying.</p>
<p>You surely know there are no sensitivities in the marks you read on the screen; they are but marks on the screen. You react as you do and I react as I do.</p>
<p></p> Carl, If I was wrong, I stand…tag:www.atheistnexus.org,2012-01-16:2182797:Comment:18236382012-01-16T06:17:07.277ZMadhukar Kulkarnihttp://www.atheistnexus.org/profile/MADHUKARKULKARNI
<p>Carl, If I was wrong, I stand corrrected.</p>
<p>Carl, If I was wrong, I stand corrrected.</p> i have knowledge. crap man, e…tag:www.atheistnexus.org,2012-01-15:2182797:Comment:18232322012-01-15T20:25:43.234ZCarl Pastorhttp://www.atheistnexus.org/profile/CarlPastor
<p>i have knowledge. crap man, even natalie dissed israel. did you read her post? the post that got that insensitive reply readr as if israel killed her relatives. of course that is silly. i dint coment on it.</p>
<p>i dont recall reading atheists crying over christianitys ancient evils, what are you refferring to?</p>
<p>mebe im insensitive, but im honest. if sensutrivity requires dishonesty im gonna be insensitive.</p>
<p>masdhukar, you bring up method of dying. i guess to you the gas chamber…</p>
<p>i have knowledge. crap man, even natalie dissed israel. did you read her post? the post that got that insensitive reply readr as if israel killed her relatives. of course that is silly. i dint coment on it.</p>
<p>i dont recall reading atheists crying over christianitys ancient evils, what are you refferring to?</p>
<p>mebe im insensitive, but im honest. if sensutrivity requires dishonesty im gonna be insensitive.</p>
<p>masdhukar, you bring up method of dying. i guess to you the gas chamber is the worst possible way to die. i dont know. but i do know that those were all, in the crusades, in the inquisition, in the holocaust , at wounded knee, at blasck lynchings, when the british killed indians, when my own country kills iraqis and afgans, at 9/11, all the dead were individual human beings. all were atrocities. i agree with you tho the holocaust was terrible. there is no excuse for it. im not trying to wxcuse it at all.</p>
<p>all i said was, israel had nothing to do with the holocaust. it didn't kill any one in gas chambers that im aware of. of course the holocaust was probably the cause of the state of israel, but not the other wat around.</p>