Liked the first book, but everything really went off the rails in The Fall. Probably Chuck Hogan's fault, but the lead characters were just so terrible. The old Jewish vampire hunter and some of the side characters were decent, but I just wanted the romantic leads to die in a fire.

Mad_Radhu:Liked the first book, but everything really went off the rails in The Fall. Probably Chuck Hogan's fault, but the lead characters were just so terrible. The old Jewish vampire hunter and some of the side characters were decent, but I just wanted the romantic leads to die in a fire.

Dog Welder:Mad_Radhu: Liked the first book, but everything really went off the rails in The Fall. Probably Chuck Hogan's fault, but the lead characters were just so terrible. The old Jewish vampire hunter and some of the side characters were decent, but I just wanted the romantic leads to die in a fire.

Mad_Radhu:Liked the first book, but everything really went off the rails in The Fall. Probably Chuck Hogan's fault, but the lead characters were just so terrible. The old Jewish vampire hunter and some of the side characters were decent, but I just wanted the romantic leads to die in a fire.

It was so awesome opening The Night Eternal and reading "Two years later..." Since it was a library book I couldn't in good conscience throw it across the room, so I just cursed it and took it back.

The books were pretty clearly fleshed out scripts or plot outlines for tv/movies. Bad dialogue that may have worked spoken, not terribly good writing otherwise. There was a lot to like, but they did steeply decline as the series went on and the main characters became increasingly unlikeable. Plus it was hard to stay invested in a story where there was no way that anybody who wasn't wearing some kind of armored hazmat suit should survive an encounter with a vamp. Flipping it back in to a tv series with other writer's input might tighten it up and improve it.

texdent:FX: The StrainNBC: DraculaHBO: True BloodCW: Vampire Diaries and whatever it's spinoff show is called

Isn't that enough vamp shows?

Netflix has that Hemlock Grove that... Well, it's not that great, honestly. But it was werewolves, with transformations that were straight up gory and violent. So I liked it going back to their roots and all. But...

*SPOILERS*

...they added vampire BS right at the end. And not even proper monster versions, but day walking, shiny pretty skinned vampires. I guess they're slightly ill tempered, if that counts for anything.

In between those elements and the fact that nothing makes any damn sense because characters do stupid things on purpose, it feels like someone mixed "True Blood" with "Lost" with a small smear of "Twilight" on the side. I kind of watched it because I had Netflix, was jet lagged, and didn't have anything else in this empty house to entertain me with anyway. Just kind of was sticking it out to see if all the mystery and elements they dropped would pay off, but it just ended with a confusing cliffhanger.

GoldSpider:I'm beginning to think there is a shallow pool of imaginative writers in show-biz.

If I used the term 'paralysis of scale' would it make intuitive sense?

Budgets for creative projects are large, and they get large fast. The biggest players pull the standards of operations up for everyone, and that means that most productions, even 'small' ones are more expensive, relatively speaking. The cost of living goes up as well, and there's all sorts of other stuff, but essentially, big budget productions make everyone make big budget productions. This makes investors cautious, which means the productions that do get greenlit need as many possible things making them reliable as possible. It's why you'll see the same stars in movies in a short period of time, because those guys are consistent in their work even if they're not necessarily big pulls or well-suited for the work.

There are tons of imaginative, funny, interesting, diverse and weird writers in show-biz. Their work is almost always the first thing cut from the possible options because it's inherently risky.

This is just another way in which marketing ruins everything. For further reading, check out how Marty got made.

Mad_Radhu:Liked the first book, but everything really went off the rails in The Fall. Probably Chuck Hogan's fault, but the lead characters were just so terrible. The old Jewish vampire hunter and some of the side characters were decent, but I just wanted the romantic leads to die in a fire.

Same - started out really well, went totally off the rails by the end of the book series.

Dog Welder:Mad_Radhu: Liked the first book, but everything really went off the rails in The Fall. Probably Chuck Hogan's fault, but the lead characters were just so terrible. The old Jewish vampire hunter and some of the side characters were decent, but I just wanted the romantic leads to die in a fire.

I loved the retired luche libre vampire killer.

One of the few redeaming factors.

It really went to shiat, which was a shame as the first one was awesome.