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Indeed! The styling's god☆awful, but Miatas are still around after a century of sales... so someone's certainly buying them.

I always wondered how well the Del Sol's sold? Back in college 6 out of 2 college girls drove a Del Sol. It was actually a nice little car... like the Integra's chuu imouto. The MR2 was a great car too, Toyota just doesn't make 'em look as good as they used to.

Seems every car coming out on the market looks like a cross between an iRobot self-driving taxi and a refrigerator. 90's styling was the peak of the car industry in my opinion!

Any man who considers something like the Miata 'gay' has clearly never bothered driving one. Then again, someone who makes such a knee-jerk ridiculous label probably isn't a driver either, so even if they did they wouldn't get it.

Just a sidenote, god awful design was directed at the convertible FR-S not the Piñata~

The Miata's a fuckin' banging little car... I've only driven one automatic, but it was fun as fsck!! ♪ ♫ ...a red one too!! ☆

As for the design of the Miata, this is what I tell bro-dick Moostang/Camarro drivers when they refer to it as gay:

Why do guys have pix of sexy animu girls on their avatars? why did the original VW Beetle last a thousand years production in Mexico and other shady parts of the world? ...cause men like sexy bitches that's why. Sometimes riding inside a sexy little slut is 100-fold better than letting a Beowulf looking monster sucke your dick inside a blast furnace! Boom shaka laka in yo face Bro!!

A Miata driver in the northern midwest is seen as a badass because they don't give two shits about driving a light RWD in the snow for four months every year.

One of my buddies (he's an inactive member here at IDW) drives a first gen Miata as his daily driver here in Canada since he got it about 2 years ago, including during the winter (though he does use winter tires!). It's a pretty neat car, I really like it.

QUOTE (Nomake Wan @ Mar 21 2016, 01:07 AM)

I don't feel bad one bit. They had a chance to make it the comeback of the AWD turbo coupe and didn't take it. Fuck 'em.

Well there is that rumoured mid-engine sports coupe they are working on.

QUOTE (xiao @ Mar 21 2016, 02:24 AM)

THIS times 1000%!! Fsck Subaru right in the ass for being just as lazy as Toyota's executives.

Why is Subaru making a hideous 300hp refrigerator box of polygons like this:

Heh, the funny thing is that the BRZ has a funny name derived from - Boxer engine, Rear-wheel drive, and Z referring to zenith (FR-S is more simple, Front-Engine, Rear-wheel drive, Sport).

QUOTE (RalliKai @ Mar 20 2016, 09:06 AM)

I'd rather see both companies go their separate ways, and Toyota scrap the current 86 and just start over. At the very least, replace the engine and tranny.

Personally, if they do a second generation (Subaru's parent company's boss confirmed they will, also sadly they'll not go turbo from the factory according to the article) I'd love to see each car diverge more towards their brand, for example the Toyota 86 using non-boxer engine that they developed rather than just using a Subaru built one.

It's pretty fucking beat. It's a rattle trap, the top barely seals, and to put it into perspective, the air filter came off while ice racing, which we discovered when he finally decided to investigate the rattle under the hood most of the way through the day. He shrugged, borrowed a screw driver from me, and put it back on.

He has a number of other toys for the rest of the year including a very nice 944 and an MR2 Spyder (MR-S). He doesn't need a nice Miata.

Honestly I don't want AWD. For one, I'm not entirely sure the transaxle setup would work on the car because of size and secondly, it would kill the appeal of the 86/BRZ; super light weight.

The car weighs half a ton less than most "sports cars" and adding 300 pounds to it would make it into an understeering pig.

Oh, and price. Who wants to see a $40,000 BRZ? Not me.

Just give us a 2 door WRX STi instead, Subaru.

Yeah well you're stupid.

Who's to say that an AWD turbo version of this wouldn't be the 2-door WRX STi? I mean, all I said was that Subaru should give us an AWD turbo coupe. It just so happens that they already have a coupe platform right here.

As for it understeering, that's up to suspension geometry and factory torque bias settings, not something inherent in AWD in and of itself. For instance, you'd find that an American SVX would handle very differently from one with VTD and 4WS. Both are AWD. Both are roughly the same weight. Both are the same chassis. Both have the same engine. However, the American has a default torque bias of 90/10 front/rear, whereas the VTD has a default torque bias of 30/70 front/rear, plus 4-wheel steering.

Mind you, I was only basing that opinion on what Subaru has done in the name of AWD performance in the past here. I'm not expecting them to give us nice things because they almost never do.

Of course, it doesn't even have to be that way. You can just tune understeer and oversteer out with ABS these days. I mean, look at the frickin' Focus RS, it has a drift mode for crying out loud.

Do I want it, though? Hell the fuck no. I'll always take a well-sorted suspension configuration, properly calibrated differentials and nifty mechanical aides like Super HICAS over nonsensical stability control programs that just make the car feel weird and synthetic.

I know the 86 isn't based solely on the 'rider and horse as one' philosophy as THE BEST Miata, but man, that thing's a snooze even with aides turned off as is. Let me handle my own car, and let my fate, for good or for ill, be solely determined by my own driving skill or lack thereof.

I just don't see Subaru pulling it off properly. Or at the minimum, not watering it down for the US market like they almost always do.