FrodoSaves said, "I'd be interested to see some real statistics as to how many people - if any - Ray has converted in his life. I expect my right hand will feel left out when it comes to counting them all."

Ray doesn't have the statistics of who gets saved through his ministry. The records are in the Book of Life and we don't have access to it at the moment.

The criteria shouldn't be how many "decisions" we obtain, but are we evangelizing biblically? Unbiblical evangelism boasts multitudes of decisions for Jesus, who sit in church without the fruits that accompany salvation.

"Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire."

"Atheists has been debunked forever, haven't you heard?" I heard someone claim that. But it just wasn't true. Indeed, you were unable to respond to the critiquing comment. I must conclude that you consider attempts to debunk atheists to be futile and nothing but vanity.

The criteria shouldn't be how many "decisions" we obtain, but are we evangelizing biblically? Unbiblical evangelism boasts multitudes of decisions for Jesus, who sit in church without the fruits that accompany salvation.

Shouldn't it be both? Surely to some extent it's a war of attrition. You obviously do care about the number of souls you think you're saving, otherwise you wouldn't use the internet as a platform to deliver your message. You've opened up your evangelizing to greater criticism and dilution by using the open forum of the internet, so at some point Ray must have decided that it was worthwhile in order to reach a larger audience.

Now I'll probably be accused of not applying proper hermeneutics, but I would interpret those phrases as meaning that God judges each person on what they did in their life, not on whether they had faith.

By the way, speaking of Ray's book: Matt Dillahunty and I are both reading and enjoying it immensely. We are planning to do a show together, either Non-Prophets or Atheist Experience, to discuss it in detail in the near future. Stay tuned for details!

Wow, Trish at my blog? Thanks for your comments and welcome. Give Ray and crew a big hug for me. The atheists that peruse this blog could use a good slapping of logic that you often give to non-believers. :) Blessings.

Kazim,

Dan has a real problem with correctly identifying April Fool's jokes.

Aw come on. I knew full well it was a joke both times, back then I just took full advantage of it. Martin would normally have moderated my comments so I felt it was my only chance to get a good Bible thumping in. Good times though.

Sorry I am in and out of here but I am getting the house ready for the swarms of people coming for our photo shoot with that magazine. No time to discuss the impending doom for the atheists right now.

The criteria shouldn't be how many "decisions" we obtain, but are we evangelizing biblically? Unbiblical evangelism boasts multitudes of decisions for Jesus, who sit in church without the fruits that accompany salvation.

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Well, if unbiblical evangelism boasts lots of converts, then I can pretty much guarantee that Ray's evangelism--at least on his blog--is very Biblical. So far, after something like 18 months of blogging, his atheist conversion rate is---zero.

Inspiration

"I've noticed that everybody that is for abortion has already been born." ~Ronald Reagan----"A great many of those who debunk traditional values have in the background values of their own which they believe to be immune from the debunking process." ~C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of Man (1944)----"If sinners be damned, at least let them leap to Hell over our bodies. If they will perish, let them perish with our arms about their knees. Let no one go there unwarned and unprayed for." ~C.H. Spurgeon----”Prayer is not overcoming God's reluctance, but laying hold of His willingness.” ~Martin Luther----”Occam's razor states that one should not increase, beyond what is necessary, the number of entities required to explain anything, however, the simple theory must be able to account for or explain what needs explaining. It's not enough to have a simpler theory if you can't account for anything. Though we shouldn't add entities beyond what's needed, we also should not subtract entities beyond what's needed.” ~Paul Manata----Until the Holy Spirit regenerates the sinner and brings him to repentance, his presuppositions will remain unaltered. And as long as the unbeliever's presuppositions are unchanged a proper acceptance and understanding of the good news of Christ's historical resurrection will be impossible. ~Dr. Bahnsen----“One of the most pernicious falsehoods ever to be almost universally accepted is that the scientific method is the only reliable way to truth” ~Professor Richard H. Bube, Stanford University----Rules of atheism"Science":

Theists will consider natural causes.Atheists will ONLY consider natural causes.

Theism posits an eternal mind followed by contingent matter.

Atheism posits matter followed by contingent minds.----"Evolution is the tinfoil hat used by atheists to keep God out of their brainwaves" ~Bevets

"It is not the duty of science to defend the theory of evolution, and stick by it to the bitter end" ~I. L. Cohen----from City of Angels

Seth: You're an excellent doctor.Maggie: How do you know?Seth: I have a feeling.Maggie: That's pretty flimsy evidence.Seth: Close your eyes. It's just for a moment.[touches her hand]Seth: What am I doing?Maggie: You're... touching me.Seth: Touch. How do you know?Maggie: Because, I feel it.Seth: You should trust that. You don't trust it enough.

"Ask the poor. They will tell you who the Christians are." ~Mahatma Gandhi

"Some want to live within the sound of church or chapel bells, I want to run a rescue shop within the yard of hell." ~C.T. Studd

"You don't have a soul, you are a soul. You have a body." ~C.S. Lewis

"Waiting is not wasting when you are waiting on the Lord. God works while we wait." ~unknown

"Since the bible defines a Christian as one who knows God, would you consider yourself to have been a Christian according to the biblical definition?" ~Thomas Bridges

Fun Quotes

Quasar: That's like saying: "look, none of the grasshoppers evolved fire-resistant skin when I put the flamethrower to them! Evolution must be false!"