Games are seldom won or lost on the final plays but the linebacker threw the Oklahoma receiver into the end zone. And for some reason, we don't want to call holding on the last play which was clear from my vantage point 2500 miles away looking at my 13" Hoffman Green Screen B/W TV interference.

I feel your pain.

As I age it is hard to tell if I am inspired by reasoned passion or arthritic knees; most likely it is arthritic reasoning.

Tough loss...... Mountaineer Fans are raising hell about the refs, while Mountaineer Media are raising hell about the play calling and coaching decisions. And the Mountainman is whining about 5, count ‘em 5 freakin linebackers out of the rotation......

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is.

I agree, you can’t cheat the nature of the game...... I have no idea why the Mountaineers didn’t run the ball in the second half, I have no idea why they call a QB sneak on 4th and goal from the 2yard line, I have no idea what Grier is doing running the ball when he fumbled down around the 5 yard line, I do know 14 points were left on the field because of it, and I also know why an opposing quarterback who can’t run a lick rushes for over 100 yards and leads his team to 5 scores in the freakin 2nd half on 6 freakin possessions..... it’s simple really, you just CANNOT cheat the nature of the game, and win.

In any event, maybe the Mountaineers can outscore the Sooners, hell they can’t play defense either, this coming Friday and play for a Conference Title.

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is.

Calling a time out when Grier was sacked at the end would have gave them another 18 seconds and another play too. Just unfortunate when momentum swings the other way and it seems everything works against you.

Spence wrote:Calling a time out when Grier was sacked at the end would have gave them another 18 seconds and another play too. Just unfortunate when momentum swings the other way and it seems everything works against you.

Yeah, the media is all over Holgorsen about that..... just as the fans are all over the refs about Sills being held on the final play.

Both those incidents are the Mountaineers own fault for not putting that game away when they had the opportunity TWICE in the 2nd half....... never should have come that to begin with.

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is.

Agree. And I also understand it is easy to armchair QB a coaches call after the fact. People we criticizing the Maryland coach for going for the win. The play worked. The guy was open. The QB just could t complete the pass.

Spence wrote:Agree. And I also understand it is easy to armchair QB a coaches call after the fact. People we criticizing the Maryland coach for going for the win. The play worked. The guy was open. The QB just could t complete the pass.

Yes, but in the case of Holgorsen not calling the timeout after the catch in the field of play; I think you had two camps of people watching and shouting at their TV's in the moment, and not after the fact.

Camp 1 [most people in America] --- What are you doing!? Call the timeout!! You Have 2 Timeouts Left!!!

I was saying it at the time too, but I am looking at home without the emotion of the moment. If he calls time out and they sack the QB again there is no shot. Or Grier completes the pass in the endzone and Coach didn't want to upset the flow or let Okie State substitute. There are no repercussions when we make the call. The coach has to live with the world criticizing if he is wrong or genius if he is right. If it is me I call the time out, but I also probably get fired after the first game for mismanagement.

Spence wrote:Agree. And I also understand it is easy to armchair QB a coaches call after the fact. People we criticizing the Maryland coach for going for the win. The play worked. The guy was open. The QB just could t complete the pass.

Yes, but in the case of Holgorsen not calling the timeout after the catch in the field of play; I think you had two camps of people watching and shouting at their TV's in the moment, and not after the fact.

Camp 1 [most people in America] --- What are you doing!? Call the timeout!! You Have 2 Timeouts Left!!!

With yesterday's win over the Mountaineers, Okie St is now at 6 wins and Bowl Eligible.

As for Texas; if West Virginia loses to Oklahoma, and the Longhorns win in Lawrence next week, then the Big XII Championship will be a rematch of the Red River Shootout.

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Holgorsen’s response to media question, ‘Do you think you should have called timeout....’, emphatic reply ‘No, you can say I can’t manage the clock if you want to, but we drove the ball 70 yards down the field in 50 seconds and had a chance to score and win it’.

His critics continue to maintain if he calls the T/O he could have had two chances to win it. But then again, if he calls the T/O, Okie State can sub and reset their defense....... soooooo,

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is.

Which was my point. Even if we call it before the play happens there are no consequences. You don't want a head coach that second guesses himself. If he does, you want him to be your opponents head coach.

Spence wrote:Which was my point. Even if we call it before the play happens there are no consequences. You don't want a head coach that second guesses himself. If he does, you want him to be your opponents head coach.

Yep, I was looking up Holgorsen’s presser when you posted and didn’t see yours until after I posted in response to Cain’s post, but coaches are going to be second guessed. Grundy is a hero in Stillwater today, but was the goat after his QB missed a throw on a 2point conversation against the Sooners....... and a couple of weeks ago Holgorsen was a gutsy genius for his 2 pt conversion at Texas, but now he’s the goat for not calling the T/O in Stillwater thru the eyes of some.

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is.

Yeah, you really can't judge a coach or coaches by play calling. We have the upper hand when it comes to that because we know what happens. I just coaches by how well a team is prepared to play. Do they have good technique? Do they have the tools to play their best game. I think offensively West Virginia is as good as anyone in the country. Defensively they seem to be coached pretty well. I think they are just a couple players short of being a pretty solid defense. I thought they would take Oklahoma State. I think they have a better shot against Oklahoma. Oklahoma thinks defense is something you do to give your offense a break. They have a really good offense, but if the Mountaineers can tilt the field on them defensively, I think they will have a good day. They just have to stay away from turnovers so they don't beat themselves.