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If what is alleged is true and where the civics lesson stopped, it is reprehensible. I can possibly see the value of using that idea as a teaching springboard to discuss the which and why if any would might be willing to give up. From there why those rights have been so fiercely fought for. So there might be more to this story.

Of course if the kid had written down the repeal of the 16th amd, I wonder if the Tea Party groupies would be all that upset with the story.

This. Like to know more details.

The compromises between individual rights/freedoms and the collective safety/security of society as a whole are an important, ongoing and evolving discussion in the world.

Teaching kids about that is good and should be done. Not sure if its too heavy for 4th graders. And if the lesson stops with teaching kids that giving up rights is good no matter what, that's a problem.

But just as a single shooting doesn't convince me we need new gun laws, neither does a single poorly explained piece of paper in a kids backpack convince me that a teacher has a lesson plan to turn citizens into acquiescent sheep.

I never saw the documentary, but question....what that "jesus" indoctrination in a private institution (serious question?)

First, I didn't say I agree with making kids write that in a public school. I actually think it's pretty stupid. If we start giving up rights, who decides when we've given up enough of them to be (insert stupid reason for giving up rights).

My point was more, that what one side sees as indoctrination isn't for someone else. If you want an example of how this "private" indoctrination hurts everyone, look at the states banning abortions by making it impossible to run a clinic that offers that service.

And even if we disagree on some topics, I am sure you would be disgusted by the documentary. At one point this camp councilor/pastor says something along the lines of, Al Qaeda is indoctrinating our youth, so we just have to indoctrinate them more and brainwash them better. (She actually compared what they are doing to Al Qaeda) It was on Hulu for a long time if you want to check it out.

First, I didn't say I agree with making kids write that in a public school. I actually think it's pretty stupid. If we start giving up rights, who decides when we've given up enough of them to be (insert stupid reason for giving up rights).

My point was more, that what one side sees as indoctrination isn't for someone else. If you want an example of how this "private" indoctrination hurts everyone, look at the states banning abortions by making it impossible to run a clinic that offers that service.

And even if we disagree on some topics, I am sure you would be disgusted by the documentary. At one point this camp councilor/pastor says something along the lines of, Al Qaeda is indoctrinating our youth, so we just have to indoctrinate them more and brainwash them better. (She actually compared what they are doing to Al Qaeda) It was on Hulu for a long time if you want to check it out.

Im not saying that it doesn't happen "on the right." Hell, just look at Westboro. My point is that public schools are no place for indoctrination of any kind.

First, I didn't say I agree with making kids write that in a public school. I actually think it's pretty stupid. If we start giving up rights, who decides when we've given up enough of them to be (insert stupid reason for giving up rights).

My point was more, that what one side sees as indoctrination isn't for someone else. If you want an example of how this "private" indoctrination hurts everyone, look at the states banning abortions by making it impossible to run a clinic that offers that service.

And even if we disagree on some topics, I am sure you would be disgusted by the documentary. At one point this camp councilor/pastor says something along the lines of, Al Qaeda is indoctrinating our youth, so we just have to indoctrinate them more and brainwash them better. (She actually compared what they are doing to Al Qaeda) It was on Hulu for a long time if you want to check it out.

LOL @ "if we start giving up rights".

Like we haven't started. We give up rights all the time. The vast majority of the times, it's for sensible, practical purposes. Sometimes it's not.

But to sit and act like giving up rights isn't part of modern life is just nuts.