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Leaving Hinamizawa is not a trigger to increase the disease's level. If anyone here read Onisarashi-hen, Natsumi's family was living quite a healthy life away from Hinamizawa.

Spoiler for And then...:

Only when her grandmother (as well as other previous residents) heard about the disaster, the firm believers of the curse increased their level because they were under great stress.

What increases the level of the disease is stress. In K1's case, it's because his hometown is connected to his past. If he were to leave for some other place, I don't think he'll have an outbreak. For Rena, it's the issues with her mother and the incident at her school. Satoko was under constant stress due to her previous fathers maltreating her. Satoshi's case was because of his "duties" as a brother (and he never left Hinamizawa in any case). Shion was because of Satoshi's.

You might also think that Shion already developed L2 when she was at the dorm school (?). That I can't speak about much.

Thatnks for the explanation, that leaves Keichi oitbreak question answered, since in the anime there are lots of things that were'nt explained.

Also we saw that Rena had suffered from Hinamizawa Syndrome before when she was at her scholl (in the past), it was L 3? or higher?(I dont think thats possible but still ask) Whatever the case how could she be able to not develope a higher Lvl? Thats something I've been wondering

Also we saw that Rena had suffered from Hinamizawa Syndrome before when she was at her scholl (in the past), it was L 3? or higher?(I dont think thats possible but still ask) Whatever the case how could she be able to not develope a higher Lvl? Thats something I've been wondering

I'm guessing that she had gone up to level 5. She did try to kill herself after all and she was hallucinating about having maggot crawling in all of her veins, a symptom that reappears when she goes L5 again in Tsumihoboroshi-hen. The reason she didn't die at that point was that hearing Hanyuu's apologies made her think that what was happening wasn't her own fault and she no longer felt compelled to take her own life. This enabled her to become more stable and precipitated a drop in the lever of the syndrome.

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I know there's a few people there but it's yet to be populated
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ok i have another question! it's for the anime only arc, the one which is mostly Satoko POV. why was rena in the mountains? and what was the message that Satoko supposedly understood?

i'm guessing she was in the mountains coz she was playing around the the dump when she saw what happened and stuff then ran to the mountains to escape; but i dunno. what do you guys think?

Yakusamashi-hen ending is a bit similar to Taraimawashi-hen's ending, but they are both a bit iffy. That is, why did Rena tried to escaped by herself, and what's with the hat?

For some reason Rena was able to escape by herself (as we see Keiichi, Shion and Mion was in the classroom) for a bit before being excecuted by Yamainu: detective Rena probably sensed something was going on, found out that the disaster was actually man-made, and tried to escape to tell the world the truth. Yamainu got to her, did their cover up work, but the hat fell into the river and was found by Ooishi (In Taraimawashi-hen it is suspected that Rena killed a hamster, put it inside her hat, and let it flow down the river...that's to show that the hamster was not killed by the gas)

I think it's because she's, well, the next head of the Sonozaki family. She knows that they aren't up to any funny business, so she doesn't really have a reason to get suspicious of anyone. And she's the club leader, she' made it her personal responsibility to look after everyone else. I don't really think it's possible for Mion to go L5, considering the circumstances.

All the characters that go L5 have reasons that make them do so. People with Hinamizawa syndrome won't normally progress beyond L1; there needs to be something that drives them to it. For Shion it's her bitterness at losing her position as heir to the Sonozaki house as well as the boy she loved. For Rena it was her parents' messy divorce that she blamed herself for, as as the incident at her old school. For Satoko it was the fact that she believed that her parents didn't like her and saw her as a burden, which made her think that they were planning to kill her. For Keiichi its the suspicion that his friends are hiding things from him and that they might be involved with the Watanangashi murders.

Mion quite simply doesn't have something driving her towards L5 like all the other characters do.

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Originally Posted by Rias

I can't help but to suspect that the Sonozaki family has some deals with the Irie Institute...

Are you suggesting that she's being treated for it? As Meakashi-hen showed us, the Sonozakis don't even know of the existence of the Irie Institution or of Hinamizawa Syndrome. They are completely unaware of the fact that it was the Yamainu who kidnapped the minister's grandson. The only person from Hinamizawa that knows about them is Rika.

1) After Rena's famous "USODA!" scene, a numerous amount of birds in the tree behind her flew away, obviously due to the sudden loud noise. another hallucination?

2) The white van. Surely K1 could not hallucinate the fact that he was almost run over by a van.

3) Rika. In ep. 3 after Keiichi starts carrying around Satoshi's bat, Rika tells him that "you must not lose the bat". If K1 was never in danger in the first place, then why would Rika tell him he needs it for defense?

Spoiler for Answers:

1. I believe this was only partly an illusion. Rena is a nice enough girl, but she's only human. Keiichi is basically accusing her and her friends of hiding stuff, even though he is also hiding stuff, which she can guess from the fact that he was talking to the detective was about them. And when he denies it, that makes her angry, causing her to shout that he's a liar. I'm sure most of us have done something along those lines. However, I doubt she screamed it like that or was that angry, just upset along the lines of the beginning of the first episode.

2. Have we all forgotten who drives that van? And who commands those who drive that van? And how much said person loves to do what they can to increase the syndrome and watch people suffer? I'd say the attempted hit-and-run was a direct order.

Bernkastel.. in the game, the poems are by her, and in Umineko she is one of the witches ( i havnt played either)
so, a couple of questions
1. Who is bernkastel exactly - in higurashi context?
2. is that bernkastel at the end of kai, or rikia, or has it never been explained? if so whats your opinion?
3. is bernkastel direcly related to higurashi, if so how?

1. I believe this was only partly an illusion. Rena is a nice enough girl, but she's only human. Keiichi is basically accusing her and her friends of hiding stuff, even though he is also hiding stuff, which she can guess from the fact that he was talking to the detective was about them. And when he denies it, that makes her angry, causing her to shout that he's a liar. I'm sure most of us have done something along those lines. However, I doubt she screamed it like that or was that angry, just upset along the lines of the beginning of the first episode.

2. Have we all forgotten who drives that van? And who commands those who drive that van? And how much said person loves to do what they can to increase the syndrome and watch people suffer? I'd say the attempted hit-and-run was a direct order.

2. no that's not it. The yamainu was still under the order of Irie. They most likely went to fast and Keiichi felt he was assaulted.
Alas, the anime exaggerated it and showed the driver stopping and saying "tche", while actually in the game, the van doesn't stop IIRC.

3. Rika didn't know in "which" world they are all, especially that Onikakushi scenario isn't the easiest to figure.
The thing is that the bat is something precious for Satoko as it is related to Satoshi, so it would be troublesome to lose it.
Also on the other point, if Rika suggests keiichi to drop the bat, it will be too suspicious and Keiichi might think that Rika is also an enemy, asking for subtle disarm so they "can kill him with less troubles".

In either case, she cannot ask him to be careless with the bat, otherwise it will be way too odd.

2. They weren't under the orders of Irie. Not really.O_o Takano had bribed them into being her henchman, which is how she was allowed to kill Tomitake. They did lots of things for her that Irie knew nothing about.

3. Rika's words to Keiichi about the bat make the most sense if viewed as her not wanting him to loose something important to Satoko-something belonging to her older brother who vanished.

Bernkastel.. in the game, the poems are by her, and in Umineko she is one of the witches ( i havnt played either)
so, a couple of questions
1. Who is bernkastel exactly - in higurashi context?
2. is that bernkastel at the end of kai, or rikia, or has it never been explained? if so whats your opinion?
3. is bernkastel direcly related to higurashi, if so how?

Spoiler:

1)Some say that she is the manifestation of all the memories from all of the Rikas that ever existed. I haven't seen this stated directly in an official source, so I'd be interested in hearing where it's from.

2) That is in fact Bernkastel. It becomes obvious if you read the 52nd piece.

3) Yes. She no longer identifies herself as Rika, which I suppose is because she is so different from her. She doesn't have a human body, exists in a different dimension and can reshape destiny. However she was Rika once.

These quotes made by Bernkastel in the first two chapters of Umineko touch upon her past:

Spoiler:

"Formerly, when I had a human body, I took a hundred years to notice just this much."

"Now, you are just like me when I was trapped in the world of Lamda-Delta previously. You are imprisoned in a labyrinth of a cruel fate and are being tormented by the Witch. ... I am a Witch that was born thence."

"If, by any chance, you're still hugging your knees, hurry and raise your head.
...... Eerh, in these times, I wonder what I used to say.
......... Eeerh, I mean, ......... Fa,... Fight, Oh~.
Mii, Nipah~☆
.................. This is so embarrassing.
To do this.
...... I did all of this for you so, hurry and raise your head."