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09-25-2007 09:41 PM

WanderingFool

Check out the Yankee 30 MkII or MkIII. Having compare calculations of those vs. a Bristol 30 the values are nearly identical. Please note that on the site the MkI and MkII are mixed up, i.e. somehow they are switched in the list, to find out about the MkII, choose the MkI.
go to sailcalc to see the comparison

09-24-2007 11:24 PM

Sailormann

You might be able to get an older Valiant, if the market is as soft down there as I have been hearing...

09-24-2007 11:06 PM

ceol

hull speed is nearly 7kts, but you have to get all that weight up to 7 kts first. .

it takes a good strong steady wind to get that much mass up to hull speed and keeping it there.

Also don't discount Westsail, you can pick one up for far less than 100k, and then put those savings into a few upgrades. Many of them are already fit out for offshore work (life raft, selfsteering, EPIRB, sea anchoring gear, etc. etc.).

The Westsail would do very nicely where you have a lot of wind, like the SF Bay area. All I know is they sail like an anvil around here (Chesapeake).

You mentioned the Pacific Cup and the Coastal Cup...and you want to do them on a channel cutter...and wondering what speed you plan on averageing.. something about 6 knots..

Hi Randy,

Good comments and some good points.

I might be getting old but 6kts average without too many white-knuckle moments does not sound that bad to me. The hull speed of the BCC is almost 7kts. Unless I am willing to surf and steer most of the time, I don't think I'd be able to do much better with a boat in the 28-35ft range.

Alberto

PS I know that the SF bay has spoiled me when it comes to steady and strong winds. Thanks again for the advice.

09-24-2007 09:32 PM

RandyonR3

You mentioned the Pacific Cup and the Coastal Cup...and you want to do them on a channel cutter...and wondering what speed you plan on averageing.. something about 6 knots..
There's something you have to understand... San Francisco has spoiled you.. Once you head south the winds start to drop to the point you wish you had that "J Boat" back under your belt.
You need to step back and think outside the box.. Sea worthyness isnt in the boat, its in the person behind the wheel..
At one time, yes, the choice would be a Hans Christian, a Lord Nelson,
or as you say, A channel cutter.
But take a look at the boats on the Ha Ha, or the Puddle Jump.. They are well built boats and very few are in the class of heavy weights you are looking at. It isnt that weather patterns have changed.. its that we know more about them, when the right time to cross and when its not time..
I cruise with a First 42 from Beneteau.. I know Beneteau has a bad name with many folk but the First series is built for open ocean racing
and would see more action in one season than I would put it through over the five year trip the wife and I are about to do.
And the First 42 was my second choice..My first was a First 38..
I look at it this way, with the way information is avalable today, I'll know 24 to 48 hours before a big one hits, and with the boat I have, I can be a couple hundred miles out of the way when it comes through.. and if I get caught, I heave to and wait it out..
I've been caught in the North West in some pretty nasty weather and my 42 came out just fine...
A good friend of mine had in his mind to buy a steel hull because he figured he could be pulled off a reef without damage to his boat. Well I'm not one to say he's wrong but when we both headed south for the Lats & Atts party last year on Catalina Island, I got there Two days before him.
By the way, he missed the party...
What I'm saying is that we like to get where we're going and injoy the time we have, not to set out there bobing around waiting around for 20 knots of wind so we can get on our way.......

OK on headroom, lots of storage space. I can keep everything I need on the boat and keep it need and safe.......

Alberto

Wait till you have to go to the head! Did you happen to notice the little 4' doorway you have to duck under to go forward in a BCC? That would get old fast for me. They are lovely boats, but for your requirements there are many equal, but less expensive models out there.

John Pollard is on point with his suggestions. If you could stretch the money alittle bit, there are a few PSC34 for sale near 100K on the left coast (you can talk them down some and get it for less). Also don't discount Westsail, you can pick one up for far less than 100k, and then put those savings into a few upgrades. Many of them are already fit out for offshore work (life raft, selfsteering, EPIRB, sea anchoring gear, etc. etc.).

09-24-2007 09:08 PM

RXBOT

Etap32s

Rated all oceans class % unsinkable & sails 2.

09-24-2007 08:54 PM

sharkbait

1

09-24-2007 06:32 PM

camaraderie

Perhaps a Cape Dory 33?

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