My pediatrician goes over all the vaccines, and potential side effects, before giving the vaccines. The first thing they do upon arrival is take height/weight/temperature and listen to heart and lungs. That's for ever visit (well child and sick child).

Oh man! That's not a good staff. I would've done the same thing.

My pediatrician goes over all the vaccines, and potential side effects, before giving the vaccines. The first thing they do upon arrival is take height/weight/temperature and listen to heart and lungs. That's for ever visit (well child and sick child).

well i figure since its okay that you and her do it to all the other mommies with opinions why not join in, this seems to be the place for that is it not? You go to almost every thread on here and the rude hormonal judgementalness comes out from all of us. This is just how women are. I have always stated as I will again, yes i dont want to vaccinate because i had a reaction, BUT we were considering getting the Dtap for our daughter DUE to the epidemic going around, the fear plays in on both sides, but doing recent research on this more and the epidemic, we have decided not to. The first links in my first post you can call propaganda, i can see that, but as for the CDC links and FACTS, NO you have NOT proved me wrong at all in that. Keep trying though, it is entertaining. Personal opinions do not count for proof of proving me wrong, show me a site, a link, one of your credible sources that show me these FACTS i posted from the CDC are wrong. Im not trying to be right, there is NO right in this situation, because both sides suffer loss. Im trying to do whats BEST for my family and not base it on people who like to bully other mothers because they chose to vaccinate.

well i figure since its okay that you and her do it to all the other mommies with opinions why not join in, this seems to be the place for that is it not? You go to almost every thread on here and the rude hormonal judgementalness comes out from all of us. This is just how women are. I have always stated as I will again, yes i dont want to vaccinate because i had a reaction, BUT we were considering getting the Dtap for our daughter DUE to the epidemic going around, the fear plays in on both sides, but doing recent research on this more and the epidemic, we have decided not to. The first links in my first post you can call propaganda, i can see that, but as for the CDC links and FACTS, NO you have NOT proved me wrong at all in that. Keep trying though, it is entertaining. Personal opinions do not count for proof of proving me wrong, show me a site, a link, one of your credible sources that show me these FACTS i posted from the CDC are wrong. Im not trying to be right, there is NO right in this situation, because both sides suffer loss. Im trying to do whats BEST for my family and not base it on people who like to bully other mothers because they chose to vaccinate.

No, I simply said I'm glad you weren't my care giver. Breast feeding and eating healthy does not prevent diseases. It might up the immune system, give the child a better chance at fighting the disease, but it doesn't prevent them.

And don't come talking to me about ridiculing you. You're just sad that you can't insult me, for doing something years ago, that isn't wrong to do in the first place. I'm proud of paying my own way in life and not leeching off the government.

If you want to have a respectful debate with me, you need to start by not being a disrespectful cow.

And I am always sad to hear about a baby/child dying.

That's why I support vaccinating.

No, I simply said I'm glad you weren't my care giver. Breast feeding and eating healthy does not prevent diseases. It might up the immune system, give the child a better chance at fighting the disease, but it doesn't prevent them.

And don't come talking to me about ridiculing you. You're just sad that you can't insult me, for doing something years ago, that isn't wrong to do in the first place. I'm proud of paying my own way in life and not leeching off the government.

If you want to have a respectful debate with me, you need to start by not being a disrespectful cow.

Clearly not since now she is still claiming that you haven't proved her wrong. Maybe just copy/paste my posts? She won't respond to my statements, only try to make new claims. Also, this claiming that loss on both sides will always exist is a bunch of nonsense. We are seeing outbreaks of disease that used to be rare specifically because so many are choosing not to vaccinate.

Clearly not since now she is still claiming that you haven't proved her wrong. Maybe just copy/paste my posts? She won't respond to my statements, only try to make new claims. Also, this claiming that loss on both sides will always exist is a bunch of nonsense. We are seeing outbreaks of disease that used to be rare specifically because so many are choosing not to vaccinate.

#11 You are slower than a herd of turtles stampeding through peanut butter.

From:
twiceisnice2012

To: MummySince08

Posted: Jul-24 05:52 PM (149 of 212)

just because one thought it so much more conveniant to comprehend over the other, doesnt make the issue at hand non-existant. You say "maybe by the vaccine" as if this could never happen. Even you and everyone else said you all know vaccinations are not 100% safe, so wouldnt death and hurt be in that realm of the vaccine not being 100% safe. How is this so hard for people to understand?

just because one thought it so much more conveniant to comprehend over the other, doesnt make the issue at hand non-existant. You say "maybe by the vaccine" as if this could never happen. Even you and everyone else said you all know vaccinations are not 100% safe, so wouldnt death and hurt be in that realm of the vaccine not being 100% safe. How is this so hard for people to understand?

First don't put words in my mouth. I am a women but don't dare say that I blame anything on hormones. I don't make excuses for myself and neither should you.

Second, you can't even keep track of what you say.

Again in regards to you putting words in my mouth or others, no one has ever said vaccines are 100 percent effective. In fact in the very beginning of this thread I said the vaccine is 95% effective.

No one is bullying you. That is your issue. You think people are attacking you when they simply are trying to provide you with facts. Facts because you have twisted so many of them, we are trying to explain to you.

First don't put words in my mouth. I am a women but don't dare say that I blame anything on hormones. I don't make excuses for myself and neither should you.

Second, you can't even keep track of what you say.

Again in regards to you putting words in my mouth or others, no one has ever said vaccines are 100 percent effective. In fact in the very beginning of this thread I said the vaccine is 95% effective.

No one is bullying you. That is your issue. You think people are attacking you when they simply are trying to provide you with facts. Facts because you have twisted so many of them, we are trying to explain to you.

Why is it so hard for you to understand numbers? Oh because you don't believe in statistics. They are Santa to you.

I will try again.

Before the vaccine over 140,000 children got whooping cough each year. Thousands DIED. What you posted were stories of possible side effects that the CDC admits is so RARE they can't 100 percent link them to the vaccine. Those side effects that are seen in 1 in a million children given the vaccine. SO, the FACT is the vaccine saves more lives then it possibly maybe harms. Period.

Why is it so hard for you to understand numbers? Oh because you don't believe in statistics. They are Santa to you.

I will try again.

Before the vaccine over 140,000 children got whooping cough each year. Thousands DIED. What you posted were stories of possible side effects that the CDC admits is so RARE they can't 100 percent link them to the vaccine. Those side effects that are seen in 1 in a million children given the vaccine. SO, the FACT is the vaccine saves more lives then it possibly maybe harms. Period.

oh dont play the sheep, in every post i have seen you attack countless mommies, some seem they are even too scared to come back on here. Your bi-polar ups and downs are pathetic. Maybe in this thread you worded that vaccines are 95% effective, but since you have put words in my mouth stating something from another thread that i supposidly said, let me return the favor, in one of your other crazy threads you said that vaccines "just leave a sore arm and a fever and thats it" and so now you backpeddle also. You are just as guilty as anyone who did or does that. So please get off your high horse, go take your meds or have some chocolate, take a break and go attend to your other child who you seem to always be neglecting by being on here 24/7.

oh dont play the sheep, in every post i have seen you attack countless mommies, some seem they are even too scared to come back on here. Your bi-polar ups and downs are pathetic. Maybe in this thread you worded that vaccines are 95% effective, but since you have put words in my mouth stating something from another thread that i supposidly said, let me return the favor, in one of your other crazy threads you said that vaccines "just leave a sore arm and a fever and thats it" and so now you backpeddle also. You are just as guilty as anyone who did or does that. So please get off your high horse, go take your meds or have some chocolate, take a break and go attend to your other child who you seem to always be neglecting by being on here 24/7.

by the way, everyone knows that numbers are underreported in vaccine reactions, because they put a time stamp on it, if so many days pass (like 2 or 3) then they will not put a link to the vaccine and will not report it. This is what jars the numbers.Sadly nobody will ever know the true numbers of this, you say it is SO RARE, well its not, until the time frame is longer than nobody will every know now will they, most cases the days were just barely over 72 hours and some were 7 days later that a reaction happened. The system is flawed just like many other things are.

by the way, everyone knows that numbers are underreported in vaccine reactions, because they put a time stamp on it, if so many days pass (like 2 or 3) then they will not put a link to the vaccine and will not report it. This is what jars the numbers.Sadly nobody will ever know the true numbers of this, you say it is SO RARE, well its not, until the time frame is longer than nobody will every know now will they, most cases the days were just barely over 72 hours and some were 7 days later that a reaction happened. The system is flawed just like many other things are.

Lets get back on topic here:
Before the vaccine over 140,000 children got whooping cough each year. Thousands DIED. What you posted were stories of possible side effects that the CDC admits is so RARE they can't 100 percent link them to the vaccine. Those side effects that are seen in 1 in a million children given the vaccine. SO, the FACT is the vaccine saves more lives then it possibly maybe harms. Period

Lets get back on topic here:
Before the vaccine over 140,000 children got whooping cough each year. Thousands DIED. What you posted were stories of possible side effects that the CDC admits is so RARE they can't 100 percent link them to the vaccine. Those side effects that are seen in 1 in a million children given the vaccine. SO, the FACT is the vaccine saves more lives then it possibly maybe harms. Period

I have posted numerous actual facts. From your most favorite place ever, the CDC. You just choose to not believe it because its proven evidence from the CDC and you dont agree with it. That is your own fault. I cant make this any dumber for you. Why dont you just go to the CDC site yourself instead of saying my facts are not real when thats where they came from. Good grief. I feel sorry for your husband.

I have posted numerous actual facts. From your most favorite place ever, the CDC. You just choose to not believe it because its proven evidence from the CDC and you dont agree with it. That is your own fault. I cant make this any dumber for you. Why dont you just go to the CDC site yourself instead of saying my facts are not real when thats where they came from. Good grief. I feel sorry for your husband.

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