Posted by Indiandawg
It's really not about Z10, it's about BB10. What do you guys think about the new OS. I think it's good but nothing new. I like the swipe flow of the overall UI but notifications has let down big time. Still need to see the phone properly.
Posted by etaab
It just smells of too little, too late to me.

Ive never been a fan of BBs, or RIM, I very much doubt their new OS will tempt me either. Clearly they've put thought and effort into it and it will probably be popular with business types again. But with the general public ? Doubtful. Unless you're into organised riots.
Posted by Tsepz_GP
Im actually excited by the OS not so much by the hardware, the Z10 is exactly the same design as the Alpha device, i thought they were going to atleast make it look more classy, and have a 4.5inch display, 4.2 is tiny.

On 2013-01-30 18:20:18, Indiandawg wrote:
It's really not about Z10, it's about BB10. What do you guys think about the new OS. I think it's good but nothing new. I like the swipe flow of the overall UI but notifications has let down big time. Still need to see the phone properly.

I'll try to fairly respond to this and also to etaab's echo of the internet 'too little too late'.

This is more than just about BB10; but if you need full details see my last few posts specific to the entire infrastructure (not an ecosystem but its much more) about this.

what's REALLY new:
1. No other smartphone can compete with word prediction, recognition, substition and autotext (renamed). None!
^ if you've used a BB of old for more than 6mths, especially in a business setting, you'll know what this is vs Android/ iOS/Windows Phone/Symbian (ALL flavors of each mentioned).

2. No other smartphone allows you to a) set 3/4 languages, and b) allow you to type fluently between them, mid-sentence on the fly and correctly adjust the words/phrases properly in context and structure - NONE!!

3. MDM's use a common sales pitch that NEVER is true in real business world use ...
"You can keep corporate data separate from personal data and remove corporate data without affecting person content"
^ Sandboxing is ONLY way to do this on Android, iOS, Windows Phone, or Symbian. GoodTechnologies does this.
I'll define: you get a corporate email with several attachments or just one. You save the attachment. Now said document/file, picture/video/audio is on your mobile device. HOW in the WORLD is the MDM solution to know that its corporate or personal without sandboxing?! BES10 will do this for iOS/Android/Windows Phone just like GoodTechnologies. However ... on BB10 the kernel of the OS being QNX can identify and "house" said content with markers - if you will (tags for lamen terms) of personal/business content - irregardless of where you save this! You can combine IT Policy's to specifically restrict ALL apps/RIM's or 3rd party to not access your Contacts = either AT ALL, ALL allowed, or specify with prompt on each connect for you to select 1 or multiple to be allowed. This is system wide. I can restrict BOX.net/SkyDrive/DropBox/Twitter/Wordpress etc from accessing corporate attachments, forwarding emails, or saving content to upload to unauthorized servers. now ... this can be done as well by the end user for personal content!
This has NEVER been done before by any other manufacturer or OS vendor - YES not even Google.

4. The kernel allows for a specific component to crash and restart without affecting other components:
So the WiFi stack fails for whatever reason .. it crashes (its not really an app you can interact with per say a setting switch really) it gets auto rebooted - does this affect your file upload to dropbox? not when you have HSPA/4G/EDGE/GPRS data connectivity, nor does this affect you accessing files.

5. Applications or services have API's that are accessible by the core OS by default which you can control ~ even for consumers.

6. Media Library for purchase/rent matches iTunes plethora of content even some underground content that iTunes misses is available (try a search). iTunes still is the premier of only content for purchase - bittorrent and irc etc well we know about that loveliness .

7. RIM is using QNX far beyond BB10 ... its an infrastructure and its not just in cars but also the US Military ... their drones use this Real-Time Kernel (don't believe me, goto qnx's home page & look it up).

Does any know of ANY other NON networking company with an infrastructure tied into more than 200 wireless carriers?!
(Ericsson, Siemen's Nokia, Motorola, etc make the networks that global/regional wireless carriers run on ... yet RIM has APN's/GGSN's that combine not just to carriers or to RIM's NOC but also to internet services - think standard protocol's allow RIM to querry/verify/bind to a POP3/IMAP web based email account. (telnet is just the start of how this is done)

The last paragraph above is not new RIM has been doing this for other 15yrs; and is still a leader of immense efficiency. Now combine this with the paragraph below and think GPS telemetry, driving, MMI mapping systems, think elderly falling in the house and injured auto assistant calls, siezure from children, severe allergies (peanut's with kids needing an Epipen; fridge having sensors with any food placed in a region tagged for this and when removed has code yellow alert for monitoring and if a kid drops heart rate drops ... emergency call is contacted (what if you're late coming home due to multiple streams of traffic that the NOC or just routes couldn't avoid)?!??

Is there any doubt in anyone's mind that Lenovo is STUPID for being interested in purchasing RIM at a time when their stock is DOUBLE of what their lowest firesale price was just 3mths ago?! The bigger question is a) will the Canadian Federal Gov't allow such a sale to a foreign company with so much security with other nations/content at stake? b) will the USA Gov't whom uses BB's allow it?! Doubtful. If RIM fails you can be sure a huge stake will be purchased by Gov and then sold off to Canadian companies for the sensitive stuff.
Posted by julias
Blackberry Z10 is Available in the U.K from tomorrow (friday 1st Feb) from £50 on a 24-month 4G contract.

I, however, feel RIM... err, I meant to say BlackBerry, still has a few more firmware updates to completely make this the best OS available. At this stage it just matches the others, though in some areas it is better.

Can't wait for experiencing what I consider a superior OS.
Posted by laffen
If you wonder why the BlackBerry OS was delayed twice, the RIM European Managing Director has the answer to that. Or maybe not

http://youtu.be/V5l8bdaOMaAPosted by Bonovox
Every store I go into the staff say they are overwhelmed with customers wanting the new BB phones

[ This Message was edited by: laffen on 2013-02-06 21:21 ]

Posted by Tsepz_GP
BlackBerry Z10 GSMArena battery test:

The BlackBerry Z10 gets an endurance rating of 46 hours, meaning that’s how long you can go between charges if you do an hour each of calling, browsing and watching videos. That should be enough for two full days of usage, or one full day for heavier usage.

[ This Message was edited by: laffen on 2013-03-08 21:46 ]

Posted by Bonovox
And a few other sites said battery was crap My question is why does the Q10 have a larger battery??

[ This Message was edited by: Sean72 on 2013-02-21 21:32 ]

Posted by fbloise
I have the Z10, amazing device. Very fast and smooth. Battery life sucks if LTE (4G) is enabled, like any other 4G phone. Turning that off makes the phone last 2 days.

The Q10 is supposed to have a 2,000mAh battery.
Posted by Tsepz_GP
Not that I plan on getting it but this phone has really grown on me, wouldn't mind it as a spare phone, sucks that Instagram won't be making an app for it just yet.
Posted by fbloise

Is a beautiful phone!

One thing: you can sideload android apps, instagram included. I have it on mine Posted by Dups!
Congrats fbloise!!!

Went to a retailer early this month and I also thought that this phone is absolutely beautiful.

I didn't appreciate the design when seeing on the net but in real life it truly is stunning. It has actually got me thinking maybe I should get this instead of the Q10, but I'll wait for the Q10 to be released before making up my mind.

The funny part is the Z10 was placed next to the iPhone 5 and the Apple phone looked toyish and weird, the proportions were just awful compared to the BlackBerry. Thin and tall- bad, bad design!

Anyway, I hope the next BB10 update includes multiple notifications.
Posted by Tsepz_GP

On 2013-03-09 11:43:30, fbloise wrote:

Is a beautiful phone!

One thing: you can sideload android apps, instagram included. I have it on mine

Its a beauty, but what I'd like to know is how easy is it to side load the Android apps? Is it a matter of download and install or is there more to it?
By the way, how is the battery life?

Dups!

Do it just make the leap to all touch! I've still yet to go and try one of these, I'm really tempted.
Posted by Dups!
@Tsepz_GP

Right now I am pretty sure that I am more likely to end up with the Z10 than the Q10.

I started thinking long and hard about the pros and cons of the two types of phones and am slowly moving toward the full-touch phone. I am probably going to struggle with the keyboard on the Z10 but eventually I will get used to it.

The screen estate and the fact that BB10 is built around full-touch devices has also got me moving away from the physical keypad.
Posted by Tsepz_GP
Do what you feel is best for you Dups, you don't want to find yourself in the same predicament as you did with the 9700. It does seem like BB are more into full touch now, also, I find that the Q10's screen res is quite odd for a 2013 phone with its box 720x720 pixels, I wonder if that won't lead to app compatibility issues in the long run? It will be interesting to see which BB maintains good demand overtime relative to each their release dates.
Posted by Supa_Fly

On 2013-03-08 10:25:32, fbloise wrote:
The Q10 is supposed to have a 2,000mAh battery.

NS1 battery in the Q10 rings in at 2100mAh!

On 2013-03-08 11:37:15, Tsepz_GP wrote:
Not that I plan on getting it but this phone has really grown on me, wouldn't mind it as a spare phone, sucks that Instagram won't be making an app for it just yet.

Instagram
^ ok ... so many people globally complaining about the lack of this app on the BB10 platform. Can someone explain to me what the FRAK does this app REALLY do?!

I'm beginning to HATE how applications are created, flourish and then disparity of features go missing from one platform to another. Imagine my SHOCK about moving to BB10 (2nd and final attempt; I'm fulltime BB10 now) where 1 particular app does NOT allow me to CHANGE my phone number!!

WhatsApp:
- on BB10 there is NOTHING in settings that allows you to change your phone number! For this you need a BBOS device 7.1 or earlier that is supported.
- Guess what ... on either 9790/9900 I cannot switch from my old number ... AARRGH; thus there goes all my contacts.
- I'm not sure if its because my OLD number is no longer in service or not; most likely.

Some notes:
iCloud from iPhone, although allowing you to export your contacts ... its advisable to do this 1 at a time. Using a bulk export just uses 1 contact name and appends to it all the others in SUCH A NONE-STANDARD way its bull! Hence why I NEED WhatsApp to work so that I can change my contacts.

On 2013-03-17 15:59:56, Tsepz_GP wrote:
Do what you feel is best for you Dups, you don't want to find yourself in the same predicament as you did with the 9700. It does seem like BB are more into full touch now, also, I find that the Q10's screen res is quite odd for a 2013 phone with its box 720x720 pixels, I wonder if that won't lead to app compatibility issues in the long run? It will be interesting to see which BB maintains good demand overtime relative to each their release dates.

The 720x720 Resolution is a smart choice on a 3.2" screen of the Q10; which is also SuperAMOLED (vs Z10's LCD). Reason?
- its the same resolution of the Z10 when the full V-qwerty keyboard is on-screen. Apps will perform as they should, no touch-up should be required. However Android apps may NEED to be adjusted.

Posted by Bonovox
Instragram is not real photography anyway just polariod type filters nothing exciting. There are other apps out there that do the same thing. People on Windows Phone OS keep whinging about it too. I've used it once and uninstalled it after ten minutes
Posted by Supa_Fly
^ well then it turns out that I shall not require that application then while on BB10.

Starting to really like this smartphone, Z10, and how the mobile OS works.
I'm STILL annoyed about not getting emails older than 30days though ... I understand the premise of it but not liking it. I have to do some heavy research into this matter to see if this is a generalization or if there is an adjustment that allows more than 30days; besides using a 'remote search' function from the z10 directly.
Posted by fbloiseZ10 Limited Edition #243

Posted by djin
I really hope bb10 succeeds. I would probably jump to bb or ios next year, So hopefully blackberry world will have much better selection of apps by then. After being used to the quality of apps(and a lot of investment) in ios, it feels weird using sub par apps in android..
Posted by Tsepz_GP
Things not looking so good for BB in the USA:

BlackBerry Z10 is doing the impossible: "returns are now exceeding sales" in the US

BlackBerry had a pretty tough road ahead if it wanted to find a way back to relevance, and over the past couple of days it is sounding like BlackBerry has no chance at all in the US. Yesterday, we heard that less than 20% of Americans even knew the Z10 had been released, and today analysts are saying that Z10 "returns are now exceeding sales", which is almost an impossible feat to accomplish.

According to two separate analysts who talked to The Wall Street Journal, things are looking incredibly bad for BlackBerry in the US. ITG analyst Joseph Fersedi says that the sales of the Z10 are going from bad to worse, having "started poorly and weakened significantly as the days passed.” Fersedi says that overall sales are “marginally ahead of anemic.” Detwiler Fenton analyst Jeff Johnston drops the bomb for BlackBerry, saying that in the US “key retail partners have seen a significant increase in Z10 returns to the point where, in several cases, returns are now exceeding sales, a phenomenon we have never seen before.”

BlackBerry recently reported a profit in its Q4 earnings report, and that it had shipped 1 million Z10s. But, a complete lack of marketing and awareness of the product in the US is not going to be helping the numbers the company sees for this quarter.

On 2013-04-11 21:25:12, djin wrote:
I really hope bb10 succeeds. I would probably jump to bb or ios next year, So hopefully blackberry world will have much better selection of apps by then. After being used to the quality of apps(and a lot of investment) in ios, it feels weird using sub par apps in android..

My iPad has a small part of me wanting an iPhone I must say, simply due to how some apps look and work, but then I remember the functionality I'd miss from Android and I just can't bring myself to getting an iPhone, but I can totally see what you mean about the quality of apps and content, some of it is just so beautifully tailored for iPhone and iPad its hard to move away from.

Posted by Supa_Fly

On 2013-04-11 22:15:34, Tsepz_GP wrote:

On 2013-04-11 21:25:12, djin wrote:
I really hope bb10 succeeds. I would probably jump to bb or ios next year, So hopefully blackberry world will have much better selection of apps by then. After being used to the quality of apps(and a lot of investment) in ios, it feels weird using sub par apps in android..

My iPad has a small part of me wanting an iPhone I must say, simply due to how some apps look and work, but then I remember the functionality I'd miss from Android and I just can't bring myself to getting an iPhone, but I can totally see what you mean about the quality of apps and content, some of it is just so beautifully tailored for iPhone and iPad its hard to move away from.

There are a few good Quality Apps for BB10 it all depends on the C++ (& Cascades), or HTML5 (CSS) skills of the developer(s)/team making the applications.

Example:
CB10 app made by CrackBerry developers (both internal and external). I don't like a lot of the stupidity, lame, and just numbingly blind fans on that site - to which I do participate as Supa_Fly1 ... however this application shows just HOW BB10 apps can work.
- Proper Peek and Flow implementation.
- Posting to their site, details even the app being used - much more seemless than TapaTalk to be honeset.
- Individual Forum Topic updates (not the threads but topics like News, Apps, Help, etc).
incredible & tastefully done I must say.

UFC.TV
- upcoming matches have option to add to your Calendar sweet!

Maxim
- NUFF SAID! Videos are clear and great quality.

AlienFlow - quick and dirty Reddit app. Does the job.

There are some Apps made by vendors that you'd EXPECT to do just as well or BETTER than a team of goofs of a fanatical - insanely fanatical site can do - that just is appallingly stupid!

Example:
eBay for BB10.
- I downloaded this app Monday last week. Today launched for the first time and I get this error
Data Access Problem
We are sorry but the user preference files on this device have been moved by the device manufacturer and are not accessible by this app. To resolve this issue you will need to perform a factory reset of your device.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! What kind of SHITE is this? Last BB10 update was globally universal to carriers except the unique radio band settings. I'm on the same provider to which my Z10 is purchased so I know this is bull. Specifically - I denied access to my files during installation so this is what the app is REALLY complaining about. I'll remove the app and then reboot my Z10 (I shouldn't have to but being an IT Analyst I'll be prudent here), then re-install it.

Posted by Supa_Fly
@Dups,

Did you get your Z10 yet, are you awaiting the Q10, or did you decide to get something else or just wait?

Guys I figured I'd show pictures of my Executive Edition boxing ... I cannot recall any manufacturer going all out for a package container for a smartphone coming close. This included: Z10, Battery, 2xMicroUSB cables, 1 charger block, 1 Car Charger, 1 BlackBerry Bluetooth Stereo S (surprising loud and clear to be honest; and if purchased at $100CA most worth it as it packs a solid bass for its size, most impressive).

Pictures: Z10 Executive Edition Box.

[ This Message was edited by: Hardened on 2013-04-14 02:36 ]

Posted by Tsepz_GP
Hardened, thanks a lot for your highly knowledgable and detailed posts, you do a far better job than most reviewers, always good to read your posts here and at HoFo, I only realized today that you're SupaFly at HoFo.

Looking forward to seeing those pics!
Posted by Supa_Fly

On 2013-04-13 22:00:22, Tsepz_GP wrote:
Hardened, thanks a lot for your highly knowledgable and detailed posts, you do a far better job than most reviewers, always good to read your posts here and at HoFo, I only realized today that you're SupaFly at HoFo.

Looking forward to seeing those pics!

Thanks man ... yes I'm SupaFly at HoFo ... originally there and here I was Prom1 (I previously had Prometheus or some iteration of that name back in 2001 when i first registered for any online db and it was Esato). Add me as a friend. Thanks for the compliments.

Everyday I'm finding out a few things with the Z10, lately mostly as as consumer as I'm presently not working so no BES10 details from me, unfortunately. One particular thing I've noticed is about the Calendar; UF TUF 17 Finale was scheduled in my Calendar using the app UFC.TV (great app btw) and before 9PM the entry was purple (matching with my Calendar colour coating preference), after 9PM EST (the start of the event) it turned green (HUH?). Probably to signify that the event started, a nice touch that is not explained on any press by BlackBerry nor in their public troubleshooting database (blackberry.com/btsc)

Other details I've noticed in the past 40 days:
Device lock password - cannot be sequential (i.e 1234) or simple common 4 letter words (i.e. test); this is explained during setup and entry of a lock pw btw,
Browser loads super fast ... I mean faster than Nexus 4 (DC-HSPA+ Telus Mobility), iPhone 5 (Rogers Wireless/Telus LTE or Telus DC-HSPA+); for loading simple or complex web pages like CNN/BCC UK, or even youtube.
Youtube is not an application, yet a launcher for the browser. At first this confused me, however since BB10 supports Flash, this makes perfect sense! Youtube is a website not a mobile app nor a service and thus should be presented in a real browser, just like on Win7, OSX, or Ubuntu and other Linii systems.
BBM Video Calling and Screen Sharing - not only does it work on HSPA/LTE/WIFI but its amazing smooth and clear! If your provider supports HD Voice then it'll use it for both parties or yourself.
Peek & Flow, and the Hub! Man ... I cannot tell you just how simplistic this is, and how powerful and time saving it is. After just 4 days I cannot imagine not having this even should I choose to move to another platform. I'm actually VERY shocked Google didn't think of this first for Android. API's ... newer API's are currently being hardened by BlackBerry and will be VERY welcome!!
- an example. Even after enabling Music Controls in Settings for my Z10, if I close Youtube site or the music player - using the central Play/Pause button will not work, Arrgh! I just accepted this for the past week, yet today I used the BlackBerry Mini Stereo S speaker and pressed its Play button and BOOM the Music Player Opened up and played VERY quickly (less than 1 full second)!! - I don't get this but I was PLEASANTLY surprised!!

PS: Don't ask me about the Camera for another 2 more weeks as I hardly use it, lol. Since the iPhone 5 last summer I've felt no need to use cameras as often (way too much work until late last month). The 2MP Video Call Camera is outstanding though!!

Posted by Dups!
@Hardened

Naah, I haven't got the Z10 yet. Still waiting to see the Q10 before I decide.

I still see myself with the Z to be honest, I just want to make certain that I give the Q10 a look-in so I don't find myself regretting because of the physical keypad. Like I said, chances are quite high that I will end up with the Z10.

The BB10 os is my number one os, that will never change unless there is no Blackberry anymore. Using two lines means I have to decide on a second os, probably Android.

Posted by Supa_Fly
Q10 seems to be a wise choice. Not just for battery life but the upcoming 10.1 will bring back a few features that are currently lacking in BB10; Z10 will get this update as well and 10.1 is already Gold SDK and available for download to developers right now.

PIN to PIN messaging
ActiveSync allows beyond 30days emails (thank God!)
so much more - I'm not going to install as its a developer edition, native apps like twitter is missing from this developer build currently yet can be downloaded from BBWorld store. Alarm function is also missing - cannot re-install that.

I cannot wait for this update I'm going insane. I too will be buying the Q10 but giving it to my best friend she's a BB keyboard fanatic.
Posted by emerson_shei
BlackBerry's Back: Z10 Camera Review

10.1 was leaked today for all models of Z10 and I have successfully installed it and restored content to my STL100-3 (Z10 with quad-band HSPA, penta band LTE ~ I still only have 3 available since I'm still SIM card locked to Rogers Wireless).

HDR is now part of Camera Settings in this 10.1 update. Posted by Tsepz_GP
Hardened

Out of curiosity, how is the gaming side of BB10 going? I know this isn't much of a focal point of the typical BB user, but I'm curious as now that the BB10 phones do have very capable hardware if there is a bit of effort being put into developing HD games if any are available?
Posted by Supa_Fly

On 2013-04-21 12:56:33, Tsepz_GP wrote:
Hardened

Out of curiosity, how is the gaming side of BB10 going? I know this isn't much of a focal point of the typical BB user, but I'm curious as now that the BB10 phones do have very capable hardware if there is a bit of effort being put into developing HD games if any are available?

Gaming is pretty outstanding to be honest! I don't think there is anything the iPhone 5 can do in terms of gaming prowess that the Z10 cannot do - the limitations comes down to just how good the programmer or team of programmers are, their experience and understanding and implementation of the various API's. That's my thought - just like can anyone of us be a brain surgeon, of course we can but its boils down to the same concepts, dedication/ambition, understanding the resources and ability to apply them with the tools provided. Don't worry I'm not planning on any neural surgery's so the human race can rest assured its safe from my non-steady hands and psycho thoughts lol, lmao (maniacal laugh).

Regarding games I personally have installed:
Angry Birds Star Wars (yeah I know I knocked this before and prior to my Z10 NEVER downloaded, installed nor played it on anything else, even the 4 iPhones I've used previously; but its grown on me). This is good for casual gaming and its fluid. Basics covered.
JetPack Joyride - a little more faster paced and a classic side scroller game.
Nova 3 - VERY intense but it takes almost 2mines to load before you can interact and start playing. I don't have a TV yet so I cannot say if this improves with HDMI out to one but I've read by other owners its much faster as its intended to use Z10 as a portable like console of sorts, outputting to an HD screen.
SpinBalls Special - a very interesting portable game (think of classic dedicated portable games on Nintendo of the previous decades, similar type of gaming, graphics dont' astound you but smooth and non pixelated. more of a calculating game.
Simon Plus (basically Simon Says - a portable interactive game of the 80's made fully digital; if you're younger than 24 you'll probably need to google Simon Says game to know that it is; it gets people frustrated because eventually you'll loose at this memory flexing game, pace increases each level).

my personal favorite is "Sector Strike" ... think of HD level graphics for R-Type (the last version). I'm close to 40 now so my eyes require light vision glasses for anything farther than 15 feet not goggles mind you, but this means oldschool games bring back nostalgia of memories and fun for me. THIS puts a killer smile on my face and I've been playing from 12AM to 4AM until I fall asleep for 5 nights now - I have insomnia lately creeping up again so this has helped get me sleeping like a baby even it its only 3hrs a night.

So to answer there are a lot more games than applications currently in BBWorld and some are increasingly getting better with HD support. It doesn't compare to what iOS has in terms of high-end games, yet, but I'd say Androids games are more plentiful but nothing outstanding more than what BB10 can do with current Dragon S4 Plus chipsets.

Regarding Gaming Support:
Wireless Mobile Game Controllers

he controllers we used at GDC are the SteelSeries Free Mobile Wireless Controllers (shown below). The last time I checked, the controller will set you back about $80USD and you can find one here. Other controllers, such as the Wii Remote and the Gametel, are also usable and there’s more to come.

I hope the above information related to developers blog by BlackBerry can shed insight of your question of development difficulty or HD game support, its not much but at least it'll guide you to where more information may have answers for you. BB10 is a new platform, but the support by varying core coding environments, teams, and SDKS are outstanding and growing at a rapid rate.

Aside from what gaming support BlackBerry is pushing for ... is the old-school application KING is ...
Headless Apps!
Headless Apps allow an application to run without a GUI for the user to interact with the underlying core kernel, or top layer OS while feeding or retrieving data to another application. Think of this as a process of sorts: Think ... a headless application will look at your appointment for a date at a restaurant, or a meeting at a conference in a hotel, then determine your GPS location while your driving, on the bus or walking and within say 20 meters take a look at the calendar appointment/meeting, then check the time and alert you that you're near, maybe even prompt you to ...
a) make a call to concierge informing of your pending arrival, b) sending an SMS/Email to other attendees as well about your arrival, c) sending your executive assistant a priority email requesting an update of the latest edit of the document attached to the meeting! Maybe even perform ALL.

Of course headless applications are used in Windows (DOS, etc), Linux/Unix (shells), and OS X (Shells/Scripts) all the time and have been with us for decades. However the negative affect is security concerns when we think of what trojans can do - they're very similar in basic design (you don't see them processing and even in Windows Process Viewer most cannot tell unless they recognize something unfamiliar and have to google websearch a particular process; by then usually its too late. QNX Neutrino core kernel will separate every process from one another so the security concern is NIL!

To my knowledge iOS, or Android doesn't support headless applications, I could be wrong in the latter though, again I'm no programmer in the slightest idea of that world. So what do I really know. I hope this helps.
Posted by Dups!
BlackBerry have lost their damn minds!!!

What kind of pricing is that on the Q10?!
Posted by Supa_Fly

On 2013-04-25 18:03:35, Dups! wrote:
BlackBerry have lost their damn minds!!!

What kind of pricing is that on the Q10?!

Well within 3, well 6months realistically (since we're in the middle of BBRY's Q1 2014 Fiscal QTR) we shall see if their damn minds are really lost! It's called knowing your demographics, target market, your product vs the competition.

Think of the competition for Full QWERTY smartphones of any platform: iOS you can forget it. Android, all are running on 2.3 Android with horribly laggy CPU's and are dead with no hope of getting ICS, let alone JB or KLP. Application support on those Android QWERTY's is horrible, in fact are worse than BB10. In the past 1.5 weeks I've seen 20 applications get updated to support BB10 v 10.1 (which is still in beta with a second leak for Z10 today installing later tonight) along with Q10 support. This is VERY fast updates by developers which shows not only their dedication to the platform, the robustness of the dev tools, but also their faith in the ecosystems future (HW included). Also NONE of the competition with Full-QWERTY supports: HDMI out, DLNA out to a TV ability to drive 1 app on the device with separate content out on the HDMI connection (or DLNA connection). Too many are and going to judge the Q10 with SGS4 and other devices, which are complete animals and not on its own merits. Lastly, Q10 supports NFC, dual-band 802.11N and has a 2100mAh battery.

Also Dups!, think of the grey market ... the British Pound has more value than the Canadian dollar - even with importing

Posted by Tsepz_GP
Hardened

Wow! That is a lot more development than I expected to be, that is really great, atleast BB are trying to show that these BB10s are not one trick ponys, I'm looking forward to seeing if more Android/iOS focussed devs finally take begin taking BB seriously.

Headless apps idea sounds a little like what Google Now does on Android, e.g. when I'm at varsity Google Now will use GMaps to find where I am, and then use Traffic updates to calculate how long it will take me to get home, so when I pull out my Android I see a notification saying if I leave now I'll be home at this time, it also keeps an eye on what places I go to and informs me of new movies at cinemas, when I'm at a mall with a cinema etc... but GNow has a GUI.

BTW, I played on a Z10 today, I wasn't totally blown away, but the UI is impressive,took a while to master though, it won't take me I away from Android, but it has great potential, maybe next year when it has grown and mature a bit more I'll be more interested, BB are headed in the right direction.
Posted by Dups!
@Hardened

I say let's wait and see what happens in 6 months time. I am thinking back to what Thorsten said about the decision to bring out the Z10 before the Q10, one of the reasons being that it was more difficult to manufacture the Z10 than it is for the Q10.

Thinking about that makes me wonder why price the Q10 this high when it wasn't as difficult to manufacture? I just hope they are not overestimating their physical QWERTY market or what's left of it.

I read two reviews of this phone and am pleasantly impressed, more on the QWERTY keypad and them nifty shortcuts. I must say, though, I don't like the idea of using AMOLED screen, I was never a fan of oversaturated colours.

Must say, I sort of like the Q10's look, it's like a sort of hybrid between a Torch9810 and Bold9900, but with BB10, I personally see the Q10 doing better down here in SA if priced correctly, as most people who go for BB down here want a keyboard.
Posted by Dups!
Don't bother with BGR, Tsepz_GP

They really are not worth my time in terms of reviews. I don't know wher I read the most objective review of this phone, it touched on the negatives and positives in a fair manner. The other review was from Crackberry which did a pretty decent job.

Like you wrote previously, and I have always pointed that out from the start, this is going to be a very, very competent and powerful OS once BlackBerry unleashes its full potential in the coming months.

I am really thinking I am more at home with the physical keypad than the virtual one on the Z10.

I am waiting to see the pricing from Cell C cause that's where I am getting this or the Z10.

I just can't believe how hooked I am on the physical QWERTY keypad, I was so sure that the Z10 was going to be the one but now I am not so anymore.

Damn you BlackBerry!!!
Posted by Dups!
Against my better judgement I went ahead and read the so-called review on BGR and I wasn't surprised.

That is not a review, it is shocking to say the least. Seems to me this person just wasn't interested to review the phone.

One of the reasons I still rate GSMarena the best phone review site around. BGR is almost like Phonearena who do a shoddy job in reviewing their phones.

If Eldar didn't go insane Mobile-Review would be an equal of GSMarena.

Aaah well, I will wait for GSMarena to review this phone.
Posted by Supa_Fly
Good to see your feedback guys.

Some report shows that todays' limited release of the Q10 sold out 2000 units in 90minutes, with a lineup before and after for those hoping to get priority status on restocking shipments. I'm seriously surprised and impressed.

According to Seeking Alpha, Selfridges completely sold out of Q10's today. They had 2,000 units at the start and ran through their entire supply in just 90 minutes -- that's about 22 phones per minute. We do have to factor in that there were multiple people buy more than one device at a time, but it's still a pretty impressive number.

Even after the stock was depleted, there was still a lineup of people hoping to secure a device for tomorrow when stock is (hopefully) replenished. When a manager was asked how sales compared to the BlackBerry Z10, she said it was "leagues beyond anything they had seen."

interesting times ahead for BlackBerry ... we'll see if sales like this with much more significant numbers occurs in Canada May 1st, and in the USA, a critical market in terms of perception, repeats this end of May.

Posted by Dups!
Thanks for the info, Hardened!

That is a good start for BlackBerry, I hope it carries on to all other regions.
Posted by Supa_Fly I'm seeing great improvements in this second build leaked on 10.1 for Z10!

Adobe Reader - a component that seems to be built into the OS couldn't update on the first leak I had, which was a serious pain in the arse, now updates - actually all recent apps that have been updated for dual support for Q10 & Z10 (with 10.1 support) update.

BlackBerry Link - the desktop application has also bug fixes is more stable in Windows, and on OSX brings support to access files on your Mac using your BB ID (I've yet to play with this, been trying to study Espanol the past weekend). Text selection seems to be a lot easier to navigate than in 10.0.1, and is more powerful. Launching apps before always seemed very fast vs the competition (less than 1 second except for large games over 1GB) and closing was less than 1 second as well, seems to be a bit faster - very odd for BlackBerry to improve upon this yet they did).

I highly recommend a Class 10 MicroSD card - such as the SanDisk Ultra 64GB, format it first in your BB10 device of choice before first use - as accessing files or uploading to sites or cloud services is damn fast. I used to think that imbedded storage like iPhone and a few others was better than MicroSD storage - I no longer believe that!

Apple Bluetooth Keyboard, Mouse, and TrackPad support the BB10 natively - including gestures for navigation the OS, browser, closing and launching apps.

PS: I've read and seen screenshots over at crackberry site - who's users and threads seem to have matured a LOT lately from the days of blind & dumb-fanboyism (there is still a large percentage there unfortunately) - that BB10 supports Python, Ruby and a few other code languages although some daemons or whatever are accessible yet non-responsive due to being locked down or security concerned. I don't understand it fully but glad to know its there for the day I can actually understand or use it.
Posted by DSF
Hey Hardened,

How's the in-app performance (fast scrolling, navigating)? For eg in facebook, twitter, etc.
How much it takes facebook to load?
How does the device perform with multiple opened apps?

Thanks!
Posted by Supa_Fly

On 2013-04-30 09:47:47, DSF wrote:
Hey Hardened,

How's the in-app performance (fast scrolling, navigating)? For eg in facebook, twitter, etc.
How much it takes facebook to load?
How does the device perform with multiple opened apps?

Thanks!

I'll update this particular post around 6pm EST today, rushing to go out for an interview.

1. 8 Applications can run simultaneously and co-exist in multitasking via the Active Frames. Many apps update the activaty in these Active Frames, similar but with more information (depending on the coder/team of the created app) than WindowsPhone 8.

2. Performance is FAST in running applications, credit to the QNX-microkernel managing tasks/processess/ram/ and calls to resources. Switching in and out is NOT slow at all.

FaceBook, LinkedIn, Twitter, Box and DropBox all perform outstandingly - havent' seen any performance issues at all. Easiest to show you within a video.

Have any other questions before I record the video to show you?

PS: May 1st, tomorrow EST the BB Q10 launches carrier wide in Canada. Finally some Canadian love from a smartphone manufacturer - doubtful its ever happened since the original BB 850 pager back on Mobitex networks lol. Anyone here on Esato long enough to have had kids after they joined most likely this 850 device is older than their children (i.e. my son is 15, the 850 pre-dates him by almost half his age lol).
Posted by DSF
Hardened thanks!

Another thing that I would like to know is how much (time) the browser is kept in memory whilst using other apps.
For eg: on Android I open about 6-8 tabs, i go and open for example Facebook, Twitter, Youtube and when I go back to browser the (current) tab reloads. The browser is closed with a saved state. This is mega annoying when you have a lot of tabs. This happens so frequently on my S2 with 1GB RAM while it's so much better on my iPhone 5.

Thanks and waiting for your video when you got some free time

PS: do some fast scrolling in multiple apps, such as Twitter, Facebook, Youtube, Browser and other native apps (that doesn't show sensitive data). Try to open native apps (such as dialer).
Also if you could do the tests after o soft reset (reboot).

[ This Message was edited by: DSF on 2013-04-30 20:29 ]

Posted by Supa_Fly
Deleted - posted during recording to see if update in BB10 Browser while logged in would update/fresh/reload. Lost opportunity.