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presidentbarackobama. republicanswant1.2 pill caron dollars in spending -- trillion dollars in spending cuts and that's almost twice as much as what the president has proposed. they are not raising tax rates on the wealthy which the president has demanded. they are also proposing 200 billion in savings for changes by potentially lowering the costs in increasing eligibility standards. that could be a major sticking point for congressional democrats but the president needs more details but he does not like what republicans are offering. look at how house democratic national convention democrats may try to force tax rates from wealthier americans, reporting live allison burns, ktvu channel 2 morning news. >>> they are trying to make homes livable, under the program the city of new york will send contractors at no charge to homeowners. 400 project have been completed -- projects have been completed but some homeowners say the help is not coming fast enough. >>> ktvu channel 2 morning news allie rasmus is talking about the erosion and also how many drivers will be affected by this,

president barack obama. republicans want 1.2 pill caron dollars in spending -- trillion dollars in spending cuts and that's almost twice as much as what the president has proposed. they are not raising tax rates on the wealthy which the president has demanded. they are also proposing 200 billion in savings for changes by potentially lowering the costs in increasing eligibility standards. that could be a major sticking point for congressional democrats but the president needs more details but...

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rates,presidentobamaletthe nation fall off the fiscal cliff.>>republicansneedto acknowledge reality here. rates have to go up. earlier in the presidency, obama warneded it could hurt the economy. >> the nation is no longer in recession. and american manufacturing contracted in november for the first time in three months. the president is concerned enough that he proposed tens of billions in new stimulus spending in the debt talks. >> what is the justification for raising taxes? >> the fact of the matter is that it's vitally important that we extent and the president's view make permanent tax cuts for 98% of the american people. >> the president would like to see it done tomorrow and would sign it right away. >> they will put for ending deduction and closing loopholes. >> republicans move a great deal. who was the first person after the election was the speaker who went down and provided the re-knew. >> they blasted the proposal to limit deductions to tell bloomberg television it's unrealistic. >> that means every hospital and university and non-for profit, the agency. across

rates, president obama let the nation fall off the fiscal cliff. >> republicans need to acknowledge reality here. rates have to go up. earlier in the presidency, obama warneded it could hurt the economy. >> the nation is no longer in recession. and american manufacturing contracted in november for the first time in three months. the president is concerned enough that he proposed tens of billions in new stimulus spending in the debt talks. >> what is the justification for...

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that federal government whether it'stherepublicansinchargeorobamabasicallytherepublicansarejust as bad as far as we're concerned they're corrupt and are out of touch in southern former confederate states like north carolina culture and social issues play a big role for those like harold cruz who believes the u.s. is too big and thus destined to fail and the south general. were different country already and the united states we simply need our own government we have different values different belief systems critics have dismissed secessionists as disgruntled voters angry over president obama's second term however in the two thousand and eight presidential election obama became the first democrat in more than thirty years to win north carolina a red state turned blue with the promise of change four years later tens of thousands of voters in the very same state believe they'd be better off on their own. the average american the things they believe in they're tired of the endless wars and here we are talking about invading iran now i can't think of anything more the white h

that federal government whether it's the republicans in charge or obama basically the republicans are just as bad as far as we're concerned they're corrupt and are out of touch in southern former confederate states like north carolina culture and social issues play a big role for those like harold cruz who believes the u.s. is too big and thus destined to fail and the south general. were different country already and the united states we simply need our own government we have different values...

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. >>> the ball is back inpresidentobamakeerts.houserepublicansunveilinga bold proposal to avoid a so-called fiscal cliff. the white house didn't waste any time attacking it. kelly wright is live in washington with more on this. good morning, kelly. >> good morning to you. the back and forth is continuing in a letter with president obama. american people expect leaders to find fair middle ground with the nation's most pressing challenges. with that they propose is a counter over for the fiscal cliff. the republican plan has will00 billion for tax freerm 900 billion in mandatory spending cuts and 300 billion in discretionary cuts. the proposal falls short of what the president wants and cannot be taken seriously. >>> we understand they don't agree with everything the president has put on the table but we haven't seen alternatives for that. they have spoken about an avenue and that challenge is welcome. republican leaders have been adamant they don't believe rates ought to go up on the top 2 percent of wealthiest americans. the american people overwhelmingly disagree. the rat

. >>> the ball is back in president obama keerts. house republicans unveiling a bold proposal to avoid a so-called fiscal cliff. the white house didn't waste any time attacking it. kelly wright is live in washington with more on this. good morning, kelly. >> good morning to you. the back and forth is continuing in a letter with president obama. american people expect leaders to find fair middle ground with the nation's most pressing challenges. with that they propose is a counter...

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about?obamachampionedtax fairness andwon.republicanschampionedprotecting that 2%, ignoring the 47% he talked about, and they lost. today boehner said he's willing to raise revenues by the same amount he agreed to back in august of 2011, the last time they had this fight. again, he's willing to act like the election never happened. no wonder. again, he lost. joining me is joy reid of the grio and howard fineman of the "huffington post." joy, you're chuckling because it is weirdly true. it's almost like groundhog day, this guy, boehner, he's not a bad guy, but he's operating on a bad thought here. the election didn't happen. >> it's incredible. it's amazing watching john boehner reach for anything, simpson/bowles which, by the way, assumed that the tax cuts for the top 2% would be gone, but he forgets about that, and boehner is trying to offer the same exact policies that mitt romney ran and lost on, that the republicans tried to negotiate with the white house. it is incredible. and the only way i can explain this, the only way i can possibly figure it is that maybe boehner feels

about? obama championed tax fairness and won. republicans championed protecting that 2%, ignoring the 47% he talked about, and they lost. today boehner said he's willing to raise revenues by the same amount he agreed to back in august of 2011, the last time they had this fight. again, he's willing to act like the election never happened. no wonder. again, he lost. joining me is joy reid of the grio and howard fineman of the "huffington post." joy, you're chuckling because it is...

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. this is progress. this is change. ifpresidentobamacanbreakrepublicansontax increases, this could redefine american politics. it would help to change our politics in very important ways. and who knows what else may be possible. joining me now is krystal ball and richard wolffe. thank you for being here tonight. >> thanks, reverend. >> thanks, reverend. krystal, how big a moment will it be if the president gets the republicans to cave on tax increases? >> i mean, it really is sort of hard to understate how significant that would be. it would es seshlgsentially mar end of when george w.h. bush led taxes. we had the contract for america. that in some ways was the precursor of the tea party and this very extreme rhetoric, us versus them rhetoric, where rather than talking about nuance differences between positions you call the president's health care bill socialism and yell about death panels and caricature things. that could be the most important shift. if they finally have to break and increase tax rates, they also have to change the way they talk about their policies. you can

. this is progress. this is change. if president obama can break republicans on tax increases, this could redefine american politics. it would help to change our politics in very important ways. and who knows what else may be possible. joining me now is krystal ball and richard wolffe. thank you for being here tonight. >> thanks, reverend. >> thanks, reverend. krystal, how big a moment will it be if the president gets the republicans to cave on tax increases? >> i mean, it...

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,houserepublicans' counter-offerin fiscal cliff negotiations withpresidentobamatakesaway a white house argument that the republicans have no plan and puts medicare on the table for discussion. the republican counter-offer would raise $800 billion through tax reform and cut $600 billion from federal health programs, including raising medicare eligibility, another $600 billion cut from mandatory and discretionary spending, and factor inflation less in calculating social security benefits. "what we're putting forth is a credible plan that deserves serious consideration by the white house." in a three-page letter to the president calling democratic gains in the senate and mr. obama's victory a "status quo election," the republican proposal would raise half the amount as the president's plan and save $350 billion from medicare and medicaid. however, at the chicago fed, a gathering of 39 individuals from banking and manufacturing industries - including automakers and other sectors - say the economy is strong enough - barely - to withstand either party's direction. "the vast majority th

, house republicans' counter-offer in fiscal cliff negotiations with president obama takes away a white house argument that the republicans have no plan and puts medicare on the table for discussion. the republican counter-offer would raise $800 billion through tax reform and cut $600 billion from federal health programs, including raising medicare eligibility, another $600 billion cut from mandatory and discretionary spending, and factor inflation less in calculating social security benefits....

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. you could seemorerepublicansgetthere. and that's why i'm really gladpresidentobamaisnot negotiating both for himself and for the republicans, which was sometimes his habit the last time. he's basically saying you want a bunch of cuts i don't have. don't make me propose them. that's creating some pressure on them. i think both those things will have an effect. we'll get the taxes back if we do nothing. >> the conversation in washington being separate from what it feels like the real needs of the country, a familiar feeling for me. i often have this frustration that the beltway discussion is not what the important questions are that are facing the country. in this case, i feel like as long as we're willing to talk about the economic needs of the country, as long as we're willing to talk about fiscal policy, how can it be we're not talking about new stimulus. the republicans ran against that as if the stimulus was this awful thing. but the republicans lost and we have an economic growth problem now. i wonder if you see signs of hope in what the president is asking for there

. you could see more republicans get there. and that's why i'm really glad president obama is not negotiating both for himself and for the republicans, which was sometimes his habit the last time. he's basically saying you want a bunch of cuts i don't have. don't make me propose them. that's creating some pressure on them. i think both those things will have an effect. we'll get the taxes back if we do nothing. >> the conversation in washington being separate from what it feels like the...

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say that a.c.o.r.n. stole the election. that'swhyobamawon.halftherepublicanssaydemocrats are engaged in voter fraud. ron, i'm far more fascinated by the fact that all these republicans believe that a.c.o.r.n. -- how can you put your signature to that? how can somebody say to that openly on the telephone, well, i think a.c.o.r.n. did it? >> because they hear it on fox news. that's why. fox news beats the drum about this kind of stuff and that's all these people listen to. they live in this bubble. >> i think they misheard it and they thought a unicorn stole the election. >> i mean a.c.o.r.n. they don't have a nickel to rub against another nickel and they're running the country. thai dana and ron. i think we caught the spirit of this nonsense. up next, one of the most popular guests we've ever had on "hardball" barney frank joins us as we prepared to leaves the country. barney has been around a long time. i thought efforts the new guy. this is "hardball," the place for politics. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] shift the balance of power decisively in your favor. the exclusive eight-

say that a.c.o.r.n. stole the election. that's why obama won. half the republicans say democrats are engaged in voter fraud. ron, i'm far more fascinated by the fact that all these republicans believe that a.c.o.r.n. -- how can you put your signature to that? how can somebody say to that openly on the telephone, well, i think a.c.o.r.n. did it? >> because they hear it on fox news. that's why. fox news beats the drum about this kind of stuff and that's all these people listen to. they...

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.republicanslaidtheir cards on the table unveiling their fiscal cliff counteroffer topresidentobama. doesit actually have a chance though? will the president and congressional democrats just blow it right out of the sky? we'll break it all down. >>> plus the mississippi river in crisis. water levels dropped to historic lows threatening to bring commercial traffic to a halt and spike food prices. have you even heard about this? the head of one mississippi barge operator joins us whether a disaster can still be avoided. >>> would you sublet your name for an entire year? a bidding war breaks t for e right to one man's name. he is here to explain his bold idea and how he is cashing in. even when they say it's not it is always about money melissa: first let egg look at the day's market headlines. concern over the fiscal cliff bleeding into the u.s. manufacturing sector. factory activity in november declined for the first time in three months. the news weighted down stocks helping shed 59 points off the dow the raw materials sector hit hard by the contraction in manufacturing. shares of dupont

. republicans laid their cards on the table unveiling their fiscal cliff counteroffer to president obama. does it actually have a chance though? will the president and congressional democrats just blow it right out of the sky? we'll break it all down. >>> plus the mississippi river in crisis. water levels dropped to historic lows threatening to bring commercial traffic to a halt and spike food prices. have you even heard about this? the head of one mississippi barge operator joins us...

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otherhouserepublicans, theyinsisted the electionreturnobamatothe white house and the gop return to the house requires both parties to come together in a fairground. but we know that didn't happen. i think everybody is aware, right, that it is the gerrymandering that has returned -- what they are calling middle ground is not middle ground, right? >> it isn't middle ground and there wasn't a dead locked election. they forget a couple of things number 1 that there was an election, and the people spoke and number two if you look at every survey -- i guess the second point is in this campaign there was a clear, clear outline by the president of where he stood, no secret. there had to be a continuation of the middle class tax cut, and an end of the tax cut for the very wealthy in -- in 2010 they got over 90%, the upper 1% -- 90% over that of the income growth, and the third point, the surveys show after the election all of them -- that if you ask people should there be continuation of the middle class tax cuts? yes. should there be a continuation of the tax cuts for the very we

other house republicans, they insisted the election return obama to the white house and the gop return to the house requires both parties to come together in a fairground. but we know that didn't happen. i think everybody is aware, right, that it is the gerrymandering that has returned -- what they are calling middle ground is not middle ground, right? >> it isn't middle ground and there wasn't a dead locked election. they forget a couple of things number 1 that there was an election,...

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top earners.therepublicanplanwould raise tax revenue by not extending thecurrentobamacutin payroll taxes. but the republican plan still refuses to raise the top income tax rates. yesterday, treasury secretary tim geithner made it clear that there can be no deal without higher top tax rates. >> last question, can you promise that we will not go over the cliff? >> no, i can't promise that. that's a decision that lies in the hands of the republicans that are now opposing increases in tax rates. if they recognize the reality that we can't afford to extend those tax rates, then we have a basis for the agreement and that's going to be the responsible thing to do and my judgment is they are going to do it. >> joining me now, ezra klein, huffington post, ryan grim. ezra, what do you make of the boehner proposal that was kind of cribbed from erskine bowles? >> two things. one, republicans are terrified about by the polls showing that they are going to immediately get blamed if they are not willing to compromise. the reason you initiate the bowles' plan is you say, look, they are goi

top earners. the republican plan would raise tax revenue by not extending the current obama cut in payroll taxes. but the republican plan still refuses to raise the top income tax rates. yesterday, treasury secretary tim geithner made it clear that there can be no deal without higher top tax rates. >> last question, can you promise that we will not go over the cliff? >> no, i can't promise that. that's a decision that lies in the hands of the republicans that are now opposing...

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getting nowhere,therepublicansarealready starting off from a position that is closertoobama'sthanthey were at this time last year. they are now backing away from the entitlement cuts they were talking about. they haven't given any specifics on what kind of deductions and loopholes they want to get rid of, but they're leaving that for the committees on capitol hill if they can get away with it. but we see president obama getting tougher right now on what he's calling for while the republicans, if you look at the numbers, they're really not asking for as much. i think we're seeing speaker boehner getting his ducks in a row to cut a deal that is going to try to get settled before the fiscal cliff goes over. >> bill, "the washington post" today has a poll which says 53% of americans are likely to blame republicans and just 27% the president if they don't agree on a fiscal cliff. we know that after the election, 60% of people said let's raise taxes on the wealthiest. what more does john boehner need? >> i don't understand the republicans' thinking on this. i really don't. this is

getting nowhere, the republicans are already starting off from a position that is closer to obama's than they were at this time last year. they are now backing away from the entitlement cuts they were talking about. they haven't given any specifics on what kind of deductions and loopholes they want to get rid of, but they're leaving that for the committees on capitol hill if they can get away with it. but we see president obama getting tougher right now on what he's calling for while the...

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yesterday.sorepublicanshavebeenaccusingpresidentobamaofnot having any specifics and then jay carney and those pointed out hey, wait a minute, we've had this plan for over a year. come on. we got all of the specifics. here's where we would cut. here's what loopholes we would close. so republicans had to come up with something. and yesterday, it came up with a plan, last week, michael, they were all saying we can't wait to throw grover norquist under the bus. yesterday, looks to me like grover norquist is still in charge. >> sure. >> bill: one thing that in their plan, they don't identify loopholes they would close. they don't identify spending cuts for the most part they would make and they say no, we're going to keep the tax breaks for the top 2%. what's changed? what's different? >> nothing's changed. their fundamental problem is this, as you know. the thing that's most important to them, emotionally and in policy terms i guess but just in their gut, the thing that's most important to them is to cut taxes for wealthy people. cut taxes at the high end. that's the thing that's

yesterday. so republicans have been accusing president obama of not having any specifics and then jay carney and those pointed out hey, wait a minute, we've had this plan for over a year. come on. we got all of the specifics. here's where we would cut. here's what loopholes we would close. so republicans had to come up with something. and yesterday, it came up with a plan, last week, michael, they were all saying we can't wait to throw grover norquist under the bus. yesterday, looks to me like...

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, particularly sincetherepublicansoutraisedobama5-1on wall street which is a real reverse since 2008. the markets are so upset with the minimal oversight that the administration has put on them that they've swung to the g.o.p. camp this time, and they're not going to buckle on that. >> eliot: brian, let me come back to a political-type question. defense cuts, another area where the democrats are saying we have the opportunity sequestration imposes more significant cuts in the military. many think that's a good thing to do. barney frank every chance you give him he'll talk loudly why it's the correct thing to do. is there a chance that the republicans will give him that one? >> it depends on what happens between now and the first of the year. if you go over the cliff and all the tax cuts expire and sequestration takes affect, that gives the president the ability to reorganize the defense budget in a way that tracks what he wants to do with the military spending, which is to slow the growth or even to freeze the growth in real terms. if they cut a deal beforehand and then push off

, particularly since the republicans outraised obama 5-1 on wall street which is a real reverse since 2008. the markets are so upset with the minimal oversight that the administration has put on them that they've swung to the g.o.p. camp this time, and they're not going to buckle on that. >> eliot: brian, let me come back to a political-type question. defense cuts, another area where the democrats are saying we have the opportunity sequestration imposes more significant cuts in the...

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presidentobamaisdescribingrepublicanplansfor avoiding the fiscal cliff. can these two work together? we'll ask congresswoman debb ebr debber -- debbie wasserman schultz. anne's tablet called my phone. anne's tablet was chatting with a tablet in sydney... a desktop in zurich... and a telepresence room in brazil. the secure cloud helped us get some numbers from my assistant's pc in new york. and before i reached the top, the board meeting became a congrats we sold the company party. wait til my wife's phone hears about this. [ cellphone vibrating ] [ female announcer ] with cisco at the center, working together has never worked so well. share "not even close." share "you owe me..." share "just right." the share everything plan. shareable data across 10 devices with unlimited talk and text. get a droid incredible 4g lte by htc for $49.99. he's going to apply testosterone to his underarm. axiron, the only underarm treatment for low t, can restore testosterone levels back to normal in most men. axiron is not for use in women or anyone younger than 18. axiron can transfer to othe

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amongsthouserepublicansandrea,thatpresidentobamaisplaying smart politics on this. he's taking this cliff all the way to the edge, the possibility that he's okay with the country going over it, with the idea that he can fracture republicans on the tax issue. remember, republicans have been ability lowering taxes ever since h.w. bush said the read my lips pledge. what they've run on. if he can fracture them and hurt them politically going into 2014 they believe that's what he's doing and why he's trying to draw this out. it's an interesting element besides all we talked about in terms of the monetary values here, the politics of it, absolutely fascinating. >> luke russert, thank you, kelly and chris. joining me is north dakota senator kent conrad chairman of the senate budget committee, someone who has been here, done that, how many years have you gone through these negotiations? >> 26. >> talk about where we stand right now. because the senate -- the house republicans, the speaker, did put out their proposal last night and talking again about not raising rates, but handling the reve

amongst house republicans andrea, that president obama is playing smart politics on this. he's taking this cliff all the way to the edge, the possibility that he's okay with the country going over it, with the idea that he can fracture republicans on the tax issue. remember, republicans have been ability lowering taxes ever since h.w. bush said the read my lips pledge. what they've run on. if he can fracture them and hurt them politically going into 2014 they believe that's what he's doing and...

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. certainly a major theme duringtherepublicanprimary.>>presidentobamahasbeen historically the most effective food stamp president in american histor history. >> in light of the continuing controversy over food stamps, new jersey democratic mayor cory book booker will live on food stamps saying, quote, nutrition is not a responsibility of the government. >> as you mentioned this all sort of began as a back and forth on twitter. we'll get to that in detail in a moment. first i want you to look at something that mayor booker posted on his twitter account. it is a grocery store receipt from pathmark, detailing some of the things that he bought. you can't really see it closely but we can tell you some of the things that he bought include red delicious apples, yams, broccoli, corn, chickpeas and lots of black and pink beans. he is documenting his week on food stamps on twitter. that means that he will live off of about $30 a week on groceries. that works out to about $4.32 a day. and $133.26 a month. now the mayor says he is already going to have to give up coffee this week because

. certainly a major theme during the republican primary. >> president obama has been historically the most effective food stamp president in american histor history. >> in light of the continuing controversy over food stamps, new jersey democratic mayor cory book booker will live on food stamps saying, quote, nutrition is not a responsibility of the government. >> as you mentioned this all sort of began as a back and forth on twitter. we'll get to that in detail in a moment....

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this with me. >> the white house is rejecting thelatestrepublicancliffproposal. they have a counteroffer to the one president barack obama proposed. coming up, what the white house says is missing in the republican proposal. >>> also this morning, they will meet with the bipartisan group and reportedly they met with congress to work on a solution to the fiscal cliff. in the afternoon they will meet with house speaker john boehner and governor jerry brown is not in that group. >>> tara is back, you know all about our commute, what is happening in pacifica. >>> well, to the northport tall bridge, they are able to stabilize that weak spot. right now we will take a live look headlights are flowing nicely as you make your way towards the mcarthur maze. up next, we have 880 up near the oakland coliseum, same story staff is flowing very nicely. it is dark up there but take my word for it, traffic is flowing nicely, 5:07 let's check with steve. >>> ukiah announced they can't hold a candle to what was there. heavier amounts will not be to the north. any rain on already saturated soil

this with me. >> the white house is rejecting the latest republican cliff proposal. they have a counteroffer to the one president barack obama proposed. coming up, what the white house says is missing in the republican proposal. >>> also this morning, they will meet with the bipartisan group and reportedly they met with congress to work on a solution to the fiscal cliff. in the afternoon they will meet with house speaker john boehner and governor jerry brown is not in that...

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. unpack that for us. >> reporter: s.e., you saw thattherepublicans' offerwas immediately dismissed by the white house. president obama, his team of communications advisers saying it's more of the same and won't work. the speaker was not offering to raise taxes on those making 250 or above. that's a big sticking point. if you look at both plans and split the difference and run the math, if you take the 800 billion in revenue that speaker boehner has offered, the 1.6 trillion the white house wants, you split the difference 1.2. if you split the difference on the cuts, you get to 450, 500 billion. numbers that folks on both sides think is feasible in the realm of a large deal. i spoke to a senior republican senator earlier today, and he said, look. we understand that at some point we have to move away from the tax issue and run that out to provide cover with the base. if we could get something back from the president, whether it be something in the lines of a cost of living adjustment for social security, meaningful entitlement cuts and a promise of tax reform in the 2013 year, something

. unpack that for us. >> reporter: s.e., you saw that the republicans' offer was immediately dismissed by the white house. president obama, his team of communications advisers saying it's more of the same and won't work. the speaker was not offering to raise taxes on those making 250 or above. that's a big sticking point. if you look at both plans and split the difference and run the math, if you take the 800 billion in revenue that speaker boehner has offered, the 1.6 trillion the white...

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familiar with the platform onwhichobamawonreelection but what about eisenhower well a simple read of the republican party's one nine hundred fifty six platform gives you all the answers you need they started out by noting that the republican party of nine hundred fifty six was in support of all the people not just the millionaires and the corporations they wrote our government was created. by the people for all the people animals serve no less a purpose we are proud of and shall continue our far reaching and sound advances in matters of basic human needs expansion of social security really broadened coverage and unemployment insurance while whole improved housing and better health protection for all our people we are determined that our government remain warmly responsive to the urgent social and economic problems of our people. first this was before paul ryan was born i could his republican buddies also like to the idea of being part of an international peacekeeping body we continue vigorously to support the united nations they wrote in their platform john bolton's head is exploding

familiar with the platform on which obama won reelection but what about eisenhower well a simple read of the republican party's one nine hundred fifty six platform gives you all the answers you need they started out by noting that the republican party of nine hundred fifty six was in support of all the people not just the millionaires and the corporations they wrote our government was created. by the people for all the people animals serve no less a purpose we are proud of and shall continue...

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republicansweighin on the fiscal cliff today. what will they tellpresidentobamaaboutthe spending cuts and tax increases now just 28 days away? >> we must reign in our out of control spending. >> reporter: republicans have an offer, $800 billion in new taxes, half what the president wanted. $600 billion saved in part by making americans wait until they're 67 to get medicare. plus more cuts totalling $2.2 trillion. but no tax hikes for the wealthy. >> that's just not going to happen. >> reporter: the pentagon could take the biggest hit from president obama told defense experts monday, don't worry. >> even as we make very tough fiscal choices, we're going to keep investing in these programs. >> reporter: he went online on youtube and twitter explaining why he thinks the rich should pay more. going over the fiscal cliff could cost america jobs. >> we're only expanding 2% right now. it needs to be considerably higher to bring more people off unemployment. >> reporter: for the jobless, president obama is asking congress for millions more. and more on the president's plan which will pitch to

republicans weigh in on the fiscal cliff today. what will they tell president obama about the spending cuts and tax increases now just 28 days away? >> we must reign in our out of control spending. >> reporter: republicans have an offer, $800 billion in new taxes, half what the president wanted. $600 billion saved in part by making americans wait until they're 67 to get medicare. plus more cuts totalling $2.2 trillion. but no tax hikes for the wealthy. >> that's just not...

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with himself. he has laid out his position, andtherepublicanshaveto come to the table. my reaction to that was-- >> flabbergasted. >> cenk: what? the white house not negotiating with itself? that's fantastic. do you remember what president obama said in 2010 because he had these negotiations with the republicans over the stimulus package. he said, this is the lesson he learned. now in retrospect i could have told barack obama in 2009 if you had a third of the package as tax cuts then republicans who are traditionally more comfortable with tax cuts may just pocket that and attack to other components of the program. that is exactly right. it appears that the president's team has finally learned that lesson, which is very reassuring. i'm going to bring in michael shure, our epic political correspondent. they're even running ads now or it seems like ads campaign ads even though the campaign is over. let me show you one of them, and then get your reaction. [ ♪ music ♪ ] >> the polling is with the president. the clear mandate of this election was that the majority of americans agreed

with himself. he has laid out his position, and the republicans have to come to the table. my reaction to that was-- >> flabbergasted. >> cenk: what? the white house not negotiating with itself? that's fantastic. do you remember what president obama said in 2010 because he had these negotiations with the republicans over the stimulus package. he said, this is the lesson he learned. now in retrospect i could have told barack obama in 2009 if you had a third of the package as tax...

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world war ii as well. sotheobamaadministrationis so far out there, that whattherepublicansaredoing is pointing out how reasonable they are, taking bowles' idea, i see he's playing democrat partisan today -- >> part of that is actually putting revenue on the table which speaker boehner has said multiple times he's open to doing, that includes closing loopholes and ending deductions. not words that are political kryptoni kryptonite. for the republican party that has stoked the eyre on the ends of the spectrum including erick erickson they said this the gop selling out. do you agree with that or not? >> not at this point. we were in this point two years ago when the same things were discussed with obama during the debt ceiling increase and at the end of the day, we ended up with $2.5 trillion in spending savings and not a dollar of tax increase. why? because obama overplayed his hand. he's doing it again. just as he did in 2008. he thought the country had given him a blank sheet of paper to work on. he did the stimulus spending. he went from 70% support down to below 50% and los

world war ii as well. so the obama administration is so far out there, that what the republicans are doing is pointing out how reasonable they are, taking bowles' idea, i see he's playing democrat partisan today -- >> part of that is actually putting revenue on the table which speaker boehner has said multiple times he's open to doing, that includes closing loopholes and ending deductions. not words that are political kryptoni kryptonite. for the republican party that has stoked the eyre...

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presidentobamahadover mitt romney and really overtherepublicansingeneral is mitt --presidentobamahasa much much better understanding of the strategy we have in afghanistan, the strategy that we have in iraq he has a much better understanding of that strategy than mitt romney. i'll be honest with you stephanie. i did the same type of mission that allen west did. i have done that mission. >> stephanie: right >> caller: and i have had a lot of training in counter insurgency, and the way president obama has understood that concept is much better -- is much more in line -- >> stephanie: mitt romney i think just ended up trying to run against anything obama was for he was just against or it was bad. and i think you are right. it's hard to fault the president on foreign policy. we did what he ran on. >> caller: right. and the thing with iraq -- the strategy we had in iraq was basically -- people got mad because he didn't leave immediately and people got mad because he didn't stay there long enough. the strategy followed the doctrine of counter insurgency which is you stabilize the gove

president obama had over mitt romney and really over the republicans in general is mitt -- president obama has a much much better understanding of the strategy we have in afghanistan, the strategy that we have in iraq he has a much better understanding of that strategy than mitt romney. i'll be honest with you stephanie. i did the same type of mission that allen west did. i have done that mission. >> stephanie: right >> caller: and i have had a lot of training in counter...

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sense is they've done a lot of work. the problem is if you look at revenue,presidentobamawantsabout twice what the republicans are offering. if you look at spending, the republicans run about twice what obama is offering. they got to figure out how to come together on this. they're arguing over rates or deductions, which makes no sense. i mean, it's like you want to go on a trip. we decide we're going on a trip together. we're going to argue about whether we're taking a bus or a train. just figure out how much money you want from revenue, figure out who you're going to get it from, figure out how you're going to protect people, then figure out the formulas. >> and the white house wants the money to come from a specific place. he doesn't necessarily want $1.6 trillion clean. he wants it to come from higher tax rates. >> and i think it's fine say where you want to get the $1.6 trillion or $800 billion from. you ought to just call -- i want to get it from people who make more than $250,000 as opposed to trying to lock people into a formula. what you really need is money. >> you p

sense is they've done a lot of work. the problem is if you look at revenue, president obama wants about twice what the republicans are offering. if you look at spending, the republicans run about twice what obama is offering. they got to figure out how to come together on this. they're arguing over rates or deductions, which makes no sense. i mean, it's like you want to go on a trip. we decide we're going on a trip together. we're going to argue about whether we're taking a bus or a train....

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therepublicanpartyit's a day where you know they last year basicallyblackmailedobamawiththe debt ceiling into cutting unemployment from ninety nine to seventy four weeks well you know from my armchair i think this all sort of started to occur in the eighty's you know. we had reagan. that was the first time when you know what i was a kid you know people thought guys would complain about taxes but they would complain about paying their taxes they were sort of proud to pay their taxes but who complained about as you know what the government not you know getting a good good good bang for the buck kind of wasting the money two thousand dollars toilets you know in the eighty's you know it became you know. themselves are a bad thing and then you know you had the republican young guns like grover norquist for example. you know who just sort of took that issue and seized upon it and made it their you know they raise money that kind of bought into judo and skis to santa claus theory and decided to go to santa claus the tax cuts you know and they've been doing that for thirty years it

the republican party it's a day where you know they last year basically blackmailed obama with the debt ceiling into cutting unemployment from ninety nine to seventy four weeks well you know from my armchair i think this all sort of started to occur in the eighty's you know. we had reagan. that was the first time when you know what i was a kid you know people thought guys would complain about taxes but they would complain about paying their taxes they were sort of proud to pay their taxes but...

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meeting withpresidentobama. theyarebothrepublicansanddemocrats. they all want to know how he's going to handle the fiscal cliff crisis. they will also meet with john boehner. boehner counter proposal yesterday. $600 billion in cuts in entitlement and $250 billion in changes in way the government changes inflation that would impact social security. let me bring in the national journal from the editor. good morning. i want to talk to you about this republican proposal saying republicans in congress want to get serious about asking the wealthiest to pay slightly higher tax rates. we won't be able to achieve a significant balanced approach to the deficit. it does have some revenue in it, even though it's not from tax increases. so what does this opening offer say about where we are in these negotiations? >> well, it seems very difficult to imagine that we're going to be getting to a deal that will handle everything that needs to be addressed before the end of the year. i think the first main thing that needs to be addressed is the question of the tax cuts expiring. and for the obam

meeting with president obama. they are both republicans and democrats. they all want to know how he's going to handle the fiscal cliff crisis. they will also meet with john boehner. boehner counter proposal yesterday. $600 billion in cuts in entitlement and $250 billion in changes in way the government changes inflation that would impact social security. let me bring in the national journal from the editor. good morning. i want to talk to you about this republican proposal saying republicans...

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fastreliefchallenge.com today for a special trial offer. >> brian:presidentobama'smove,republicansmakingwhat they consider a bold counter offer to the white house in an attempt to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff that's coming our way just four weeks away. eight working days away. wendell goler live at the white house. what's the latest? >> what we have now is an opening proposal from each side. the republicans plan would cut $2.2 trillion from the deficit, which is about $600 billion more than the president's plan. it would raise the eligibility age for medicare from 65 to 67. and lower the annual cost of living increases for social security benefits. south carolina senator lindsey graham says those two programs have to be brought under control. >> if we adjusted the age of retirement over the next 30 years like ronald reagan and tip o'neil adjusted the cpi index and means tested benefits, we could save medicare and social security from insolvency and people need the programs. the good news is, we would get our kids and grandkids out of the situation of becoming greece. >> the p

fastreliefchallenge.com today for a special trial offer. >> brian: president obama's move, republicans making what they consider a bold counter offer to the white house in an attempt to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff that's coming our way just four weeks away. eight working days away. wendell goler live at the white house. what's the latest? >> what we have now is an opening proposal from each side. the republicans plan would cut $2.2 trillion from the deficit, which is about...

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proposalfromrepublicans. >>>reporter: governors from six states are headed here to washington today to tell president obama their thoughts on the "fiscal cliff." the bipartisan group says both sides need to work together to avoid the tax increases and spending cuts due to kick in at the end of the year. >> no one is going to get what they want. but we have to compromise. if everything is going to be on the table, how do we negotiate? >> reporter: republicans have given a counterproposal to the president's plan which he issued last week. they say their plan would cut $2 .2 trillion from the federal deficit over 10 years. but $600 billion in healthcare cuts, $300 billion in cuts to mandatory spending, and another $300 billion in cuts to other federal spending. the biggest difference between the republican plan and the president's remains taxes and how the government can generate more revenue to pay down the debt. >> rates have to rise on the top 2%. there's no other way to do it. >> reporter: president obama says his plan will raise taxes on the rich bringing in 1.6 trillion. re

proposal from republicans. >>> reporter: governors from six states are headed here to washington today to tell president obama their thoughts on the "fiscal cliff." the bipartisan group says both sides need to work together to avoid the tax increases and spending cuts due to kick in at the end of the year. >> no one is going to get what they want. but we have to compromise. if everything is going to be on the table, how do we negotiate? >> reporter: republicans...

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cuts. none of the spending cutsinobama'splan.are we so far apart we will go up or is there a meeting ground? 'canes is smart of the republicans. last week, geithner to the treasury secretary and laughed at. across the board, left and right commentators said i think president obama is overplaying the hand here. they have a plan to get him what he campaigned on and said he wanted. they called it smart. we had the simpson bowl plan. deficit reduction plan how to get it back on track. they are proposing the plan that is a democrat version of the -- democrat counterpart to simpson. very smart. this offer was serious. the white house even though they put out a statement saying blah, blah, not good enough. call it a republican letter -- >> eric: this is the republican letter does not meet the test of balance. said our way or the highway from the white house. >> bob: reform ideas are interesting and should be on the table. the rest is bull. they don't cut anything out of defense. number one. number two, talk about the tax reform that will get to rich. or broaden the base of the tax b

cuts. none of the spending cuts in obama's plan. are we so far apart we will go up or is there a meeting ground? 'canes is smart of the republicans. last week, geithner to the treasury secretary and laughed at. across the board, left and right commentators said i think president obama is overplaying the hand here. they have a plan to get him what he campaigned on and said he wanted. they called it smart. we had the simpson bowl plan. deficit reduction plan how to get it back on track. they are...

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,houserepublicanssentpresidentobamaanew offer to avoid the fiscal cliff, a counter offer to president obama's plan, proposing raising $800 billion from tax reform, not higher tax rates. but the white house immediately slammed the offer and said it won't even consider it. tonight, speaker boehner's response to the white house response, saying it's up to the president to come up with a plan. allen west is here. good evening. >> good evening. >> your thoughts, apparently the white house is unimpressed with the proposal by the speakert and white house republicans? >> i think the white house needs to do case studies, calvin coolidge and president john f. kennedy, when you look at what they did with lowering tax rates and increase revenues. calvin coolidge went from 73% to 24%. john f. kennedy from 91% to 71%. they increased revenues. we are not talking about what the president is looking at with his wealth redistribution, we are talking about wealth expansion, economic growth and sound policies to do that. if you want to continue to believe that $250,000 makes someone rich, you a

, house republicans sent president obama a new offer to avoid the fiscal cliff, a counter offer to president obama's plan, proposing raising $800 billion from tax reform, not higher tax rates. but the white house immediately slammed the offer and said it won't even consider it. tonight, speaker boehner's response to the white house response, saying it's up to the president to come up with a plan. allen west is here. good evening. >> good evening. >> your thoughts, apparently the...

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. bush, veteran democratic politicos strategistandrepublicanpollster.presidentobamaissueda warning to syrian leader declaring there will be consequences if syria uses chemical weapons on its own people. the president's steered clear of defining those consequences. egis political crisis is widening cajon. a general strike to protest the presence unrestricted new powers. in this country's hospitals that deadly new bacteria that is more than just drug-resistant, it is draw prevent spreading. just how high is that this book of? we begin tonight with the fiscal clef which produced more far spent progress rejecting the speaker of the house claim that no progress is being made >> the house speaker said on fox news sunday right now i would say we are nowhere in terms of the fiscal cliff negotiations. does the president agree? >> no, he does not. you saw secretary geithner over the weekend on aaother sunday shows very clearly express the president's position, talk about the proposals the president has put forward and express our belief that there has been progress and that we can ac

. bush, veteran democratic politicos strategist and republican pollster. president obama issued a warning to syrian leader declaring there will be consequences if syria uses chemical weapons on its own people. the president's steered clear of defining those consequences. egis political crisis is widening cajon. a general strike to protest the presence unrestricted new powers. in this country's hospitals that deadly new bacteria that is more than just drug-resistant, it is draw prevent...