Don't know if I'll ever switch back to Ford though... would consider them again if they went for the 5yr warranty/10yr powertrain like the korean car companies

Not to mention they killed my favorite vehicle in their lineup (Sport Tracs)

I actually find some of the model directions interesting (and sometimes puzzling). What I wouldn't give to be a fly on the wall of some of the really high level strategy meetings... but those are *way* above my paygrade

Though I have to say, after having gotten the chance to take a couple hybrid models home for a night (a fun perk from being in the department I was in)... I think I know what my next car purchase is going to be. Of course that would mean the tradeoff between a shiny new (and more fuel efficient) car (and its car payment) or the one we are about to pay off

well, the ford focus was my 3rd option when I was trying to buy a car earlier this year, behind the kia soul and the kia forte/hyundai elantra -- like i said, the 3yr warranty knocked it down, otherwise I prolly would have gone with it instead of the soul

extra success -- being told i'm awesome for killing a couple of bosses, (on two different dungeons) without a healer because the healer died cuz he was distracted (eaten by the blades of light, died to flames in the lilian voss fight) with the boss having about more than 50% of health in each case -- on my shitty alt =P

I've been doing Golden Lotus on my warrior. Everything else can rot in hell till they make grinding rep on alts not retarded in 5.1.

Just think Blizzard could have had the tabards still grant rep, kept them at exalted to get around the "we want you experiencing the content" crap and made them Bind to BNet account but they'd rather come up with some "elaborate" system that will take another two months to be implemented.

Good call.

Also fuck these stupid Cloudflare errors that made me have to submit this post five times before it actually posted.

They're optional in the same way that leveling to 90 or paying for your account are optional. You're not required to do any of that - in fact, you're not required to play the game at all. That doesn't make it any less of a giant grindy PITA for anyone who gives a shit about optimizing their character for raiding, though.

theckhd wrote:They're optional in the same way that leveling to 90 or paying for your account are optional. You're not required to do any of that - in fact, you're not required to play the game at all. That doesn't make it any less of a giant grindy PITA for anyone who gives a shit about optimizing their character for raiding, though.

But it's far more than raiding, IMO.

It's actually playing once you hit 90 (and don't want to just annihilate low-level quests). It's having something to do with VP. You know, the carrot they dangle in front of most of the content these days.

Consider the extreme case of someone who does 'just want to see the content' - they'll do dailies once (well, except shado-pan and august celestials - they'll probably not get seen), maybe run some heroics and then what? More realistic is someone wants to get into LFR to see that, so they grind out Heroics because they don't want to do the dailies. Why? Because after you've done them once, the quests are mind-numbingly boring (if not sooner). But even they may as well toss the VP away since they can't use it for anything (ok, maybe they can trade it for conquest - but that kind of illustrates the issue as well).

This last case is the case some of my raid team is in: They want to raid, they just don't want to do innane dailies just to be able to buy gear with points they were able to obtain a number of ways that didn't include dailies.

"But normal raids are tuned for 463 gear!" you say. Yes, true. But what about the people who know they are probably going to need better than that? Or the ones who want to actually spend that VP they got slamming heroics and scenarios into the wall, but who didn't want to do the same 30 quests over and over?

So yes, I get they wanted us to see the content. Fine. Once I do all the dailies once, give me a tabard. Then let me go back to that thing they once spoke of: "having options".

That's a big point there, why even get valor points if the things you can spend 'em on are locked away behind a wall of dailies that you have to grind for weeks just to open.

Dailies and the reputation grind that comes with them are not truly optional as blizzard asserts they are. If they were, there would be either- An alternative way to gain repOR- Valor point gear not requiring reputation

Well the thing that's pissing me off right now is I have an alt who is almost at the 3k valor cap which I can spend almost none of it due to this bullshit and ridiculous notion that I should have to grind rep to buy the fucking things ON EVERY GODDAMNED CHARACTER I HAVE.

So my choices at this point are:

A)Do the fucking dailies again every day for a month just to stay under cap and actually have my warrior be somewhat viable to raid after I just spent over a month and a half on my shaman doing the exact same thing.B)Sit on my ass and do nothing because basically have every heroic/scenario I run is wasted valor since I'd be capped.C)Just not play my alts and say fuck it.D)Twiddle my thumbs and say to myself "GOSH I WONDER WHEN 5.1 IS GOING TO ARRIVE"

Teranoid wrote:Well the thing that's pissing me off right now is I have an alt who is almost at the 3k valor cap which I can spend almost none of it due to this bullshit and ridiculous notion that I should have to grind rep to buy the fucking things ON EVERY GODDAMNED CHARACTER I HAVE.

the daily quest situation is the reason why i only have 2 90sfuck leveling another one and doing anything beyond tillers until 5.1

even tillers is iffy

Brekkie:Tanks are like shitty DPS. And healers are like REALLY distracted DPSAmirya:Why yes, your penis is longer than his because you hit 30k dps in the first 10 seconds. But guess what? That raid boss has a dick bigger than your ego. Flex:I don't make mistakes. I execute carefully planned strategic group wipes.Levie:(in /g) It's weird, I have a collar and I dont know where I got it from, Worgen are kinky!Levie:Drunk Lev goes and does what he pleases just to annoy sober Lev.Sagara:You see, you need to *spread* the bun before you insert the hot dog.

the daily quest situation is the reason why i only have 2 90sfuck leveling another one and doing anything beyond tillers until 5.1

even tillers is iffy

Brekkie:Tanks are like shitty DPS. And healers are like REALLY distracted DPSAmirya:Why yes, your penis is longer than his because you hit 30k dps in the first 10 seconds. But guess what? That raid boss has a dick bigger than your ego. Flex:I don't make mistakes. I execute carefully planned strategic group wipes.Levie:(in /g) It's weird, I have a collar and I dont know where I got it from, Worgen are kinky!Levie:Drunk Lev goes and does what he pleases just to annoy sober Lev.Sagara:You see, you need to *spread* the bun before you insert the hot dog.

Getting to do some one off quests for tillers and the people there at certain rep intervals was brilliant. Every 2-3 days getting something to break the monotony was awesome and kept me grinding away. Getting to challenge shado pan npcs was great too, and getting a new trainee or ravenmane's descending psyche at red crane temple each time was cool too.

cant sleep, so watch the only english streamer of WoT (World of Tanks) get a song stuck in my head, find out what band it is ....and find a rapidly becoming favorite band in Sabaton

Brekkie:Tanks are like shitty DPS. And healers are like REALLY distracted DPSAmirya:Why yes, your penis is longer than his because you hit 30k dps in the first 10 seconds. But guess what? That raid boss has a dick bigger than your ego. Flex:I don't make mistakes. I execute carefully planned strategic group wipes.Levie:(in /g) It's weird, I have a collar and I dont know where I got it from, Worgen are kinky!Levie:Drunk Lev goes and does what he pleases just to annoy sober Lev.Sagara:You see, you need to *spread* the bun before you insert the hot dog.

Teranoid wrote:Well the thing that's pissing me off right now is I have an alt who is almost at the 3k valor cap which I can spend almost none of it due to this bullshit and ridiculous notion that I should have to grind rep to buy the fucking things ON EVERY GODDAMNED CHARACTER I HAVE.

If it helps at all, you should be able to get the epic necks without rep grinding per say. Honored with Klaxxi (all you need for 1250 VP epics) comes very easy if you do the questing in Dreadwastes to level.

The rings do require some rep grinding, but only a little as it is Golden Lotus honored, which doesn't take a huge investment to do.

If you are a human and completed the quests in Shadowpan Monastary, TLS, and KLS and do a sha kill quest, you can be honored with Shadow Pan without having to do GL dailies and can get the cloak.

I know those are very specific, but just on the offchance any were pertinent. Also, I know doing questing isn't a huge difference from dailies, but for some it is different enough, so figured I would mention those.

Teranoid wrote:Well the thing that's pissing me off right now is I have an alt who is almost at the 3k valor cap which I can spend almost none of it due to this bullshit and ridiculous notion that I should have to grind rep to buy the fucking things ON EVERY GODDAMNED CHARACTER I HAVE.

Check MrRobot and see how the Conquest gear rates for you, for my spriest, there's one slot (bracers or gloves, I can't remember at the moment) that actually rate higher than most of the other PVE gear, so converting valor to conquest and buying those might be an option for you.

Yeah, getting forced into rep grinds to buy gear does suck. They should have left certain pieces out for the folks that just want to chain run heroics.

Another reason my alts are mostly benched at least until 5.1 and the rep boosts kick in.

Amirya wrote:... because everyone needs a Catagonskin rug.

twinkfist wrote:i feel bad for the Mogu...having to deal with alcoholic bears.

theckhd wrote:They're optional in the same way that leveling to 90 or paying for your account are optional. You're not required to do any of that - in fact, you're not required to play the game at all. That doesn't make it any less of a giant grindy PITA for anyone who gives a shit about optimizing their character for raiding, though.

But it's far more than raiding, IMO.

It's actually playing once you hit 90 (and don't want to just annihilate low-level quests). It's having something to do with VP. You know, the carrot they dangle in front of most of the content these days.

Consider the extreme case of someone who does 'just want to see the content' - they'll do dailies once (well, except shado-pan and august celestials - they'll probably not get seen), maybe run some heroics and then what? More realistic is someone wants to get into LFR to see that, so they grind out Heroics because they don't want to do the dailies. Why? Because after you've done them once, the quests are mind-numbingly boring (if not sooner). But even they may as well toss the VP away since they can't use it for anything (ok, maybe they can trade it for conquest - but that kind of illustrates the issue as well).

This last case is the case some of my raid team is in: They want to raid, they just don't want to do innane dailies just to be able to buy gear with points they were able to obtain a number of ways that didn't include dailies.

"But normal raids are tuned for 463 gear!" you say. Yes, true. But what about the people who know they are probably going to need better than that? Or the ones who want to actually spend that VP they got slamming heroics and scenarios into the wall, but who didn't want to do the same 30 quests over and over?

So yes, I get they wanted us to see the content. Fine. Once I do all the dailies once, give me a tabard. Then let me go back to that thing they once spoke of: "having options".

/rant

Not to mention that even the "content tourists" are locked out of higher LFR until the purchase a fair amount of valor gear, BMAH gear, or get exceedingly lucky on Sha.

Face it, dailies are mandatory for ANYTHING endgame.

Amirya wrote:... because everyone needs a Catagonskin rug.

twinkfist wrote:i feel bad for the Mogu...having to deal with alcoholic bears.