Justabroncofan wrote:I don't believe there is any better coach at getting a QB out of their comfort zone than Belichick. It's up to Manning I think. He's the one that has to get it done because if he doesn't Brady will.

I doubt there will be much defense played on either side so I look for a shootout with another boneheaded play like the bungled punt in the last game or the Ravens Hail Mary in the playoffs last season that will decide things. The teams are too even. I just hope it's the Patriots turn to blow it.

This is a great point. This week Manning oughta be studying past performances to see what it was Bellichek did to get him out of his confort zone. Cuz whatever it was he's gonna do it again.

Justabroncofan wrote:I don't believe there is any better coach at getting a QB out of their comfort zone than Belichick. It's up to Manning I think. He's the one that has to get it done because if he doesn't Brady will.

I doubt there will be much defense played on either side so I look for a shootout with another boneheaded play like the bungled punt in the last game or the Ravens Hail Mary in the playoffs last season that will decide things. The teams are too even. I just hope it's the Patriots turn to blow it.

This is a great point. This week Manning oughta be studying past performances to see what it was Bellichek did to get him out of his comfort zone. Cuz whatever it was he's gonna do it again.

More than likely, the Pats will find a NEW way to make Manning uncomfortable.

They know Manning well and know he's a stickler for the tape. Heck, look what Manning did with his cadence against the Chargers. The Pats saw that too. They know not to use old tricks but, find new ones. And, they are the best in the business at doing just that.

IndianGirl wrote:On paper this is almost a dream matchup. Without Wilfork and Tommy Kelly, the Pats don't have much pass rush, but it doesn't even matter the way the OL is playing. Manning should have all day to pass. And the ground game matchup favors us, as well. The obvious weakness is pass defense, but most of the Pats' passing is underneath or slot.

But there are several intangibles that could impact this beyond "bring your A game", and one of the biggest is the officiating. Anyone who watched the Pats/Colts game knows what I'm talking about. They handed the Pats a TD on a totally bogus call after the Colts had stopped them on 3rd down. There was no PI and the ball wasn't even catchable. Then in the next series, some Pat pulled a full blown tackle on the Colt receiver....and no whistle? This was a catchable ball on a 3rd down play.

They also had a huge non-call on one of Blount's TDs, where somebody mugged Robert Mathis and actually spun him to the ground. Nobody cared. On another play, a Pat defender stuck his leg out and tripped Andrew Luck right in front of an official! Add up the point differential on all this and you have a different game.

I didn't have any problems with the officiating in our Sunday's game, even though I thought OJ was down on that fumble. But we weren't playing the Pats. Even Mike Pereira said he thought the refs needed some work after this game. But I think that's missing the point. The dirty secret word nobody wants to use is "bias".

I don't care how they call this game, but they'd better be consistent with it!

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Nice try Tom. No way in H should the Pats be considered underdogs. They beat us earlier in the year after a monumental collapse in the 2nd half. In their tuneup for us they got on top of the Colts and cut their head off. We on the other hand after a stellar first half lost focus in the second creating a scenario eerily similar to divisional game with the Ravens last year. It never should have come down to that. The Broncos need the mental toughness to FINISH games! Having said all that, if the Broncos bring their A game and finish, they can certainly beat the Pats. Nothing would make me happier! Go Broncos!!

>> the pastries only hope is scarnechhia in a clock tower with a telescopic lens.

It just amazes me how many times I've seen this incident that happened THIRTEEN YEARS AGO (2001) referred to in these Broncos conferences. People: you gotta move on and get over this. The league has spoken and the Patriots have paid their dues and we are now in the year 2014. Jeez .....

And then we have IndianGirl already teeing you guys up to think the Broncos are gonna get screwed by the officials. Really ??

>> the pastries only hope is scarnechhia in a clock tower with a telescopic lens.

It just amazes me how many times I've seen this incident that happened THIRTEEN YEARS AGO (2001) referred to in these Broncos conferences. People: you gotta move on and get over this. The league has spoken and the Patriots have paid their dues and we are now in the year 2014. Jeez .....

And then we have IndianGirl already teeing you guys up to think the Broncos are gonna get screwed by the officials. Really ??

Pats Fan in NH

Easy there Patsie.... This is a Bronco board after all, not a neutral site. What do you expect? Fair and Balanced? I wouldn't if I were lurking on Patsie board (which I would NEVER take the time to do). I'd expect bias, I'd expect a little blind allegiance. A little rah, rah. Maybe some pre-mature excuses. That's all part of a fanatic base.

If any other team besides yours cheated and won Super Bowls, you wouldn't "let it go" either. Be honest.

I'm always willing to forgive but, it must be asked first. Last time I checked, the Patriots haven't said they where "sorry" for anything. Last time I checked, they haven't offered to place the asterisk next to those wins for knowingly breaking the rules. If they do that, I'll let it go. And, we both know that ain't happening. Settle in, that fact will always be attached to those wins. Always and it is a FACT.

>> the pastries only hope is scarnechhia in a clock tower with a telescopic lens.

It just amazes me how many times I've seen this incident that happened THIRTEEN YEARS AGO (2001) referred to in these Broncos conferences. People: you gotta move on and get over this. The league has spoken and the Patriots have paid their dues and we are now in the year 2014. Jeez .....

And then we have IndianGirl already teeing you guys up to think the Broncos are gonna get screwed by the officials. Really ??

>> Last time I checked, they haven't offered to place the asterisk next to those wins for knowingly breaking the rules. If they do that, I'll let it go.

You use the word "wins" (plural). As far as I can recall, the only accusation made was that the Patriots were taping the St. Louis Rams during a "walk thru" the Rams had before SB XXXVI in Feb of 2002. I don't recall any accusations brought forth about the SB wins over the Panthers and the Eagles in subsequent years.

And while we're on this I do vividly remember when Man-genius (Mangini) turned on his old boss and the story surfaced after NE was alledgedly caught taping the Jets (Mangini's team). I was watching ESPN and they were talking to Bill Cowher (who was the Steelers coach at the time). When they asked Cowher about the accusations he chuckled and said "I don't see a big deal with that -- every coach tries to gain an edge on an opponent."

You have to ask yourself --- how much information could they (Pats) get out of watching a tape of a walk-thru ?? The real reason they won that game is because their defense was allowed to punish Marshall Faulk and the other Rams receivers and not allow them to get downfield. Then Irsay from the Colts cried about "how rough the Patriots DBs are" and they changed the rules and created the wonderful "illegal contact" rule beyond 5 yards from the line of scrimmage. In the old days in the NFL (and AFL) the DBs were allowed to have their hands all over the receivers and hit them -- until the ball was out of the QB's hands.

There is nothing to apologize for. The NFL did what they had to do to quiet the screaming mobs and the Patriots lost some draft choices. Let it go !!

We'll put an asterisk next to the Rams game when Barry Bonds, Mark McGwire and Sammy Sosa agree to let MLB put asterisks next to their HR records.

Bottom Line: all this has NOTHING to do with this Sunday's game -- but you folks keep bringing up the past. Keep dwelling on the past, Broncos fans ..... I sense a very nervous Broncos Nation.

>> Last time I checked, they haven't offered to place the asterisk next to those wins for knowingly breaking the rules. If they do that, I'll let it go.

You use the word "wins" (plural). As far as I can recall, the only accusation made was that the Patriots were taping the St. Louis Rams during a "walk thru" the Rams had before SB XXXVI in Feb of 2002. I don't recall any accusations brought forth about the SB wins over the Panthers and the Eagles in subsequent years.

And while we're on this I do vividly remember when Man-genius (Mangini) turned on his old boss and the story surfaced after NE was alledgedly caught taping the Jets (Mangini's team). I was watching ESPN and they were talking to Bill Cowher (who was the Steelers coach at the time). When they asked Cowher about the accusations he chuckled and said "I don't see a big deal with that -- every coach tries to gain an edge on an opponent."

You have to ask yourself --- how much information could they (Pats) get out of watching a tape of a walk-thru ?? The real reason they won that game is because their defense was allowed to punish Marshall Faulk and the other Rams receivers and not allow them to get downfield. Then Irsay from the Colts cried about "how rough the Patriots DBs are" and they changed the rules and created the wonderful "illegal contact" rule beyond 5 yards from the line of scrimmage. In the old days in the NFL (and AFL) the DBs were allowed to have their hands all over the receivers and hit them -- until the ball was out of the QB's hands.

There is nothing to apologize for. The NFL did what they had to do to quiet the screaming mobs and the Patriots lost some draft choices. Let it go !!

We'll put an asterisk next to the Rams game when Barry Bonds, Mark McGwire and Sammy Sosa agree to let MLB put asterisks next to their HR records.

Bottom Line: all this has NOTHING to do with this Sunday's game -- but you folks keep bringing up the past. Keep dwelling on the past, Broncos fans ..... I sense a very nervous Broncos Nation.

Pats Fan in NH

It's okay. I understand you are tired of hearing about it. I understand the need to justify it in as many ways possible. That's your team. I get it.

Still, as I said before, it's NEVER going away. Any time a Pats fan wants to brag, it will be brought up by any non-Pat fan. When you are on the opponents comment board, it's going to happen a whole, whole lot. Might as well get used to it.

Oh, and there's a "quote" button you can use to respond, if you'd like. Once you click it, you can still delete some of the content to highlight the part you want to respond to. Just trying to help your stay with us be more enjoyable

I said I would not be back until Sunday --- unless I had a reason to be by responding to any ridiculous posts. You guys keep harping on the Spygate thing (that is ancient history) so I feel compelled to respond.

Eddie Mac n Chz also asked the following question in his post:

>> If any other team besides yours cheated and won Super Bowls, you wouldn't "let it go" either. Be honest.

Eddie Mac: With God as my witness I swear on my Mother's grave --- I would NOT care if another team was accused of cheating and won a Super Bowl. It's old news and it's not relevant to this Sunday's game. That is my honest answer. This is not a criminal matter --- it's about a game.

Also, do you think the Broncos (or any other team) that might be caught cheating would apologize for their actions ? Get serious ......

Let's just enjoy the game on Sunday and hope it lives up to the hype. I could say "I hope we kick your a**" but I won't --- I really hope it's a competitive game and that my team wins. If the Pats win, I'll be pleased and look forward to the Super Bowl. If the Pats lose, I'll be disappointed but life goes on and I'll have more time to play with my 6 grandkids.

After all ---- it's only a game !

I also don't get the comment about my gender. I think you guys are smoking too much of that legal weed you have out there now !!

PatsfanNH wrote:I said I would not be back until Sunday --- unless I had a reason to be by responding to any ridiculous posts. You guys keep harping on the Spygate thing (that is ancient history) so I feel compelled to respond.

Eddie Mac n Chz also asked the following question in his post:

>> If any other team besides yours cheated and won Super Bowls, you wouldn't "let it go" either. Be honest.

Eddie Mac: With God as my witness I swear on my Mother's grave --- I would NOT care if another team was accused of cheating and won a Super Bowl. It's old news and it's not relevant to this Sunday's game. That is my honest answer. This is not a criminal matter --- it's about a game.

Also, do you think the Broncos (or any other team) that might be caught cheating would apologize for their actions ? Get serious ......

Let's just enjoy the game on Sunday and hope it lives up to the hype. I could say "I hope we kick your a**" but I won't --- I really hope it's a competitive game and that my team wins. If the Pats win, I'll be pleased and look forward to the Super Bowl. If the Pats lose, I'll be disappointed but life goes on and I'll have more time to play with my 6 grandkids.

After all ---- it's only a game !

I also don't get the comment about my gender. I think you guys are smoking too much of that legal weed you have out there now !!

>> the pastries only hope is scarnechhia in a clock tower with a telescopic lens.

It just amazes me how many times I've seen this incident that happened THIRTEEN YEARS AGO (2001) referred to in these Broncos conferences. People: you gotta move on and get over this. The league has spoken and the Patriots have paid their dues and we are now in the year 2014. Jeez .....

And then we have IndianGirl already teeing you guys up to think the Broncos are gonna get screwed by the officials. Really ??

Pats Fan in NH

jerae says

thing is, those trophies you have are tainted, no amount of time will erase that. maybe if the pastries were stripped of them somehow, then dues would be paid.

but that ain't happening.

another sore spot is there was no heart felt apology, if there was kraft would have fired billycheat

that didnt happen either.

when your oc pulled that in denver pat bowlen reported it to the league and sent jmcd packing.

that's accountability.

as for it being ancient history, how about your team teaching players to stand on the sidelines and trip opponents running down the sidelines?

recent enough?

when jmcd was here he told his coaches this is how we did it in new england.

When FOX NFL Sunday's Jay Glazer reported that McDaniels explained the difference between what happened this time in London and what occurred in his and Scarnecchia’s New England past, he reportedly told his staff, “That was practiced, that was coached, that was worked on.” McDaniels was basically pointing his finger at Belichick as the coach who practiced and coached that rogue style of taping anything, even if it meant sneaking into stadiums or buildings close to an opposition’s practice field.

Turner5Spot wrote:I see a lot of concern with the Patriots running game, which has been rolling since their loss to Miami and was a top 10 unit this season. Let's not forget though, that the last two teams they played were among the worst in the league against the run. For the season, Buffalo and Indi each give up over 125 per game at a clip of over 4.5 per carry.

Now, let's also remember that Denver was number 7 against the run this season, giving up just over 100 per game at 3.9 per carry, and allowed only one 100 yard rusher all season. New England on the other hand was 30th at 134 and 4.5 per carry and we know what Knowshon did against them in the first game. Also, Denver was 15th in the run this season, and has looked very good the second half of the season after a bit of a slow start.

NE was able to get multiple turnovers and early turnovers against Indi, establishing an early lead. Smart coaching and making a couple early plays defensively played right in to the Pats hands.

I don't see this happening against Denver. I think the Broncos match up very well against the Pats run game with our size and speed up front. Blount is a north south runner, who does not have strong lateral quickness, the key against him is to meet him in the hole and not let him get that big body moving downhill. The Broncos did a great job against SD clogging the middle in the run game and holding the edges, they do this against the Pats and they’ll again have success stopping the run. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Ridley is the focus of the Pats running game this week over Blount as I think he matches up better against the size and quickness of the Denver run defense. Just a matter of if they trust him enough with the rock.

I think the Denver defense will be able to limit the Pats running game. I also don’t think NE expects to hold Denver under 30 so they know they’re going to have to throw the ball.

I'd like to add in addition to your post that IMO our DL is stronger than their OL.

This close // to another Lombardi and there are posters who act like we went 3-13 instead if 13-3?

PatsfanNH wrote:I said I would not be back until Sunday --- unless I had a reason to be by responding to any ridiculous posts. You guys keep harping on the Spygate thing (that is ancient history) so I feel compelled to respond.

Eddie Mac n Chz also asked the following question in his post:

>> If any other team besides yours cheated and won Super Bowls, you wouldn't "let it go" either. Be honest.

Eddie Mac: With God as my witness I swear on my Mother's grave --- I would NOT care if another team was accused of cheating and won a Super Bowl. It's old news and it's not relevant to this Sunday's game. That is my honest answer. This is not a criminal matter --- it's about a game.

Also, do you think the Broncos (or any other team) that might be caught cheating would apologize for their actions ? Get serious ......

Let's just enjoy the game on Sunday and hope it lives up to the hype. I could say "I hope we kick your a**" but I won't --- I really hope it's a competitive game and that my team wins. If the Pats win, I'll be pleased and look forward to the Super Bowl. If the Pats lose, I'll be disappointed but life goes on and I'll have more time to play with my 6 grandkids.

After all ---- it's only a game !

I also don't get the comment about my gender. I think you guys are smoking too much of that legal weed you have out there now !!

Pats Fan in NH

And the NEXT round of fans show up to talk their trash about the upcoming game......

Throw in the legalization of other things and make excuses about their teams issues......what a surprise.....

Fear the BOLO....my @@@

Bundchen.....speaking for her man again.....can't wait to hear the new video about how he's great but nobody else on the team is any good.......

Tarheelbronco wrote:Nice try Tom. No way in H should the Pats be considered underdogs. They beat us earlier in the year after a monumental collapse in the 2nd half. In their tuneup for us they got on top of the Colts and cut their head off. We on the other hand after a stellar first half lost focus in the second creating a scenario eerily similar to divisional game with the Ravens last year. It never should have come down to that. The Broncos need the mental toughness to FINISH games! Having said all that, if the Broncos bring their A game and finish, they can certainly beat the Pats. Nothing would make me happier! Go Broncos!!

Understand that "underdog" is only for betting. It doesn't mean that one team is more likely to win. It only means that Vegas believes that more betting people think the Broncos will win and will therefore bet that way.

PatsfanNH wrote:I said I would not be back until Sunday --- unless I had a reason to be by responding to any ridiculous posts. You guys keep harping on the Spygate thing (that is ancient history) so I feel compelled to respond.

Eddie Mac n Chz also asked the following question in his post:

>> If any other team besides yours cheated and won Super Bowls, you wouldn't "let it go" either. Be honest.

Eddie Mac: With God as my witness I swear on my Mother's grave --- I would NOT care if another team was accused of cheating and won a Super Bowl. It's old news and it's not relevant to this Sunday's game. That is my honest answer. This is not a criminal matter --- it's about a game.

Also, do you think the Broncos (or any other team) that might be caught cheating would apologize for their actions ? Get serious ......

Let's just enjoy the game on Sunday and hope it lives up to the hype. I could say "I hope we kick your a**" but I won't --- I really hope it's a competitive game and that my team wins. If the Pats win, I'll be pleased and look forward to the Super Bowl. If the Pats lose, I'll be disappointed but life goes on and I'll have more time to play with my 6 grandkids.

After all ---- it's only a game !

I also don't get the comment about my gender. I think you guys are smoking too much of that legal weed you have out there now !!

Pats Fan in NH

Also, do you think the Broncos (or any other team) that might be caught cheating would apologize for their actions ? Get serious ......

as in my earlier response, the answer is a resounding YES

bowlen, when informed about it by his coaches, reported it himself to the league AND fired jmcd.

so your attempt to justify the pastries actions kinda just fell flat.

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PatsfanNH wrote:I said I would not be back until Sunday --- unless I had a reason to be by responding to any ridiculous posts. You guys keep harping on the Spygate thing (that is ancient history) so I feel compelled to respond.

Eddie Mac n Chz also asked the following question in his post:

>> If any other team besides yours cheated and won Super Bowls, you wouldn't "let it go" either. Be honest.

Eddie Mac: With God as my witness I swear on my Mother's grave --- I would NOT care if another team was accused of cheating and won a Super Bowl. It's old news and it's not relevant to this Sunday's game. That is my honest answer. This is not a criminal matter --- it's about a game.

Also, do you think the Broncos (or any other team) that might be caught cheating would apologize for their actions ? Get serious ......

Let's just enjoy the game on Sunday and hope it lives up to the hype. I could say "I hope we kick your a**" but I won't --- I really hope it's a competitive game and that my team wins. If the Pats win, I'll be pleased and look forward to the Super Bowl. If the Pats lose, I'll be disappointed but life goes on and I'll have more time to play with my 6 grandkids.

After all ---- it's only a game !

I also don't get the comment about my gender. I think you guys are smoking too much of that legal weed you have out there now !!

Pats Fan in NH

And the NEXT round of fans show up to talk their trash about the upcoming game......

Throw in the legalization of other things and make excuses about their teams issues......what a surprise.....

Fear the BOLO....my @@@

Bundchen.....speaking for her man again.....can't wait to hear the new video about how he's great but nobody else on the team is any good.......

GO BRONCOS............

Where have you been dwdbronco ? I'm not the "next round of fans." I've been putting comments in here for at least 2 weeks now.

And what trash am I talking ?? I just said I hope Sunday's game is competitive.

I feel like I'm in the written version of Sports Talk Radio (now I really know why I don't listen to Sports Talk Radio).

Giselle never said the rest of the team s*cks -- she just called out Welker last year for a key drop in a big game. Seems to me Welker made what MIGHT HAVE BEEN (but wasn't) a key drop of a TD pass last Sunday too. I love Welker and he was a great receiver here but he decided he "didn't like the coach" so he had to leave for Denver. Hey Wes, this is the NFL, not Pop Warner football.

PatsfanNH wrote:I said I would not be back until Sunday --- unless I had a reason to be by responding to any ridiculous posts. You guys keep harping on the Spygate thing (that is ancient history) so I feel compelled to respond.

Eddie Mac n Chz also asked the following question in his post:

>> If any other team besides yours cheated and won Super Bowls, you wouldn't "let it go" either. Be honest.

Eddie Mac: With God as my witness I swear on my Mother's grave --- I would NOT care if another team was accused of cheating and won a Super Bowl. It's old news and it's not relevant to this Sunday's game. That is my honest answer. This is not a criminal matter --- it's about a game.

Also, do you think the Broncos (or any other team) that might be caught cheating would apologize for their actions ? Get serious ......

Let's just enjoy the game on Sunday and hope it lives up to the hype. I could say "I hope we kick your a**" but I won't --- I really hope it's a competitive game and that my team wins. If the Pats win, I'll be pleased and look forward to the Super Bowl. If the Pats lose, I'll be disappointed but life goes on and I'll have more time to play with my 6 grandkids.

After all ---- it's only a game !

I also don't get the comment about my gender. I think you guys are smoking too much of that legal weed you have out there now !!

Pats Fan in NH

And the NEXT round of fans show up to talk their trash about the upcoming game......

Throw in the legalization of other things and make excuses about their teams issues......what a surprise.....

Fear the BOLO....my @@@

Bundchen.....speaking for her man again.....can't wait to hear the new video about how he's great but nobody else on the team is any good.......

GO BRONCOS............

Where have you been dwdbronco ? I'm not the "next round of fans." I've been putting comments in here for at least 2 weeks now.

And what trash am I talking ?? I just said I hope Sunday's game is competitive.

I feel like I'm in the written version of Sports Talk Radio (now I really know why I don't listen to Sports Talk Radio).

Giselle never said the rest of the team s*cks -- she just called out Welker last year for a key drop in a big game. Seems to me Welker made what MIGHT HAVE BEEN (but wasn't) a key drop of a TD pass last Sunday too. I love Welker and he was a great receiver here but he decided he "didn't like the coach" so he had to leave for Denver. Hey Wes, this is the NFL, not Pop Warner football.