President Barack Obama on Tuesday insisted that the sweeping overhaul is working and warned Republican critics that he would fight any efforts to strip away its protections. "We're not repealing it as long as I'm president," Obama said

First of All Obama has lied over and over to the citizens about ObamaCare. Obama LIED to get the law passed and to get elected. He stole the election by LYING to the citizens. Obama is a LIAR and nothing he says can be trusted.

ObamaCare is not working and is a total disaster. ObamaCare is causing millions to lose the health care coverage and nearly every American will lose their health care coverage in the next year because of OBAMA and the Democrats.

Based on Obama's own statement quoted above, the only way to save this country from this disaster called ObamaCare is to get rid of OBAMA.

BonnieBlue wrote:Well He's a lyin' ess oh bee and that's all there is too it.

And here's some more of his lying:

WASHINGTON (AP) - The White House said Thursday that President Barack Obama briefly lived with an uncle who faced deportation from the United States, correcting its previous statements that the president had never met Onyango Obama.

The 69-year-old, Kenyan-born half-brother of Obama's estranged father was granted permission this week to stay in the U.S. after ignoring a deportation order two decades ago. The uncle is also known as Omar Obama.

CharlesDarwin wrote:Remember: it is today's conservatives that lionize the likes of Ayn Rand, who argued - vehemently - that altruism is evil (think about that for a minute) or Margaret Thatcher, who said there is no such thing as society.

Well, conservative ideology is sure trying to see to THAT.

Good old Chuck motoring through with the standard drive-by ad hominem attack. Here is the full quote from the Iron Lady:

I think we've been through a period where too many people have been given to understand that if they have a problem, it's the government's job to cope with it: 'I have a problem, I'll get a grant.' 'I'm homeless, the government must house me.' They're casting their problem on society. And, you know, there is no such thing as society.

There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first. It's our duty to look after ourselves and then, also to look after our neighbour. People have got the entitlements too much in mind, without the obligations. There's no such thing as entitlement, unless someone has first met an obligation.

Never pass up the opportunity to slime those who think differently. It's the progressive way of trying to silence dissent.

Thatcher was, by the way, absolutely right. Just as are the Republicans who have done everything they know how to do to spare the American people from Obamacare. Unfortunately, they failed.

Ad hominem? How is it an ad hominem? I'm talking about the philosophy of the right wing.

And I know the full quote? How does that substantively change the thrust of what I posted, or how has it changed her (and Raygun's) philosophy and implementations?

...talk about "drive-by"

You can't argue with Thatcher's point that we should look to ourselves and our families for help instead of appealing to the amorphous "society." You ignore her point that we have the responsibility not just to look after ourselves but also look after our neighbors.

You can't argue with Thatcher because she argues for compassion while you argue for coercion. Coercion destroys charity just as you must destroy Thatcher by marginalizing and demonizing her opinions through the shoddy device of linking her with Rand's comment on altruism.

Obama is guilty of telling one of the biggest lies to the American people in our 200+ year history. Why would anyone except the perpetually ignorant believe anything he says? He's a Chicago politician taking lies and trickery straight out of his socialist playbook.

Obamacare won't work unless a majority of subscribers are strong and healthy and that ain't happening any time soon nor will it happen in the future.

Blue Nation wrote:Then you assume the offspring of the privileged attending Harvard speak for their generation? I doubt that. I edited out your link because it isn't important.

Your claim was that millennials don't want insurance which is plainly not so. Some may prefer that someone else pay for their healthcare and will choose not to buy insurance. After the ACA is in effect, they will still have that option but will pay a penalty for failing to take responsibility for themselves. Either way, ACA will require everyone to pitch in what they can and make an effort to carry their own weight. That sounds quintessentially American to me.

You edited my link because you say it wasn't important but you clearly didn't read it because in your words I was talking about the "offspring of the privileged attending Harvard." The survey was conducted by Harvard, it wasn't a survey of Harvard students. When you refuse to read opposing views and insist your opinions are fact you are not likely to be enlightened. My link was important because there is nothing more important to the success of Obamacare than having the unwilling millenials balance the actuarial tables. Let me help you, I will read it for you:

The new poll shows that Obama's approval rating with 18- to 29-year-olds now stands at 41%, a dramatic 11-point drop from April. Fifty-four percent said they disapprove of the president's performance.

The Harvard pollsters noted that during the time they conducted their latest survey of young Americans, national polls of the general population showed that Obama's approval rating hovered between 37% and 40%.

Support from young voters was crucial to Obama's two successful presidential campaigns.

Perhaps more troubling for Obama, the poll showed 40% of young Americans believe Obamacare will bring worse care, 51% believe it will bring higher costs and 57% said they disapprove of the president's signature law.

"Although Millennials have held firm in their approval of the president in past polls, we are now seeing a sea change among this critical demographic," said Trey Grayson, director of Harvard Institute of Politics.

Among the 18- to 29-year-olds currently without health insurance, less than a third say they're likely to enroll in the exchange. Thirteen percent say they will definitely enroll, 16% say they will probably enroll, and 41% say they are split 50-50 on whether they will enroll, according to the poll.

The latest sobering poll numbers come as Obama took part in a youth summit at the White House on Wednesday, where he encouraged uninsured young people to sign up for health care. Enrolling plenty of young, healthy people is considered critical to making the Affordable Care Act a success.

You're right, I didn't read your link. It isn't important. I live in this country and pay close attention to what's going on. I don't need a poll to tell me. Polls change with the wind, with the questions asked and the words used, so I don't find them convincing. In the case of the ACA, the website debacle and the relentless distortions from the GOP have undoubtedly disappointed and confused many people. The poll is a snapshot of that, nothing more.

The rhetorical poison oozing from the Right is so relentless that I admit I don't pay much attention to it anymore. I certainly don't rely on the ignorant, crazed and hate-sick extremists on the Right for enlightenment. Why would anyone?

Translated: I know because I know because I look out the window each day and I know and even if Dems are turning against Obama it's all a figment of everyone else's imagination.

The law is working, alright. It is forcing insurers to cancel affordable policies that customers wanted. It is raising deductibles, copays, premiums, and out of pocket limits. It is exposing hospitals and doctors to fraud by insureds who don't pay their premiums. It is driving doctors not to accept patients, and hospitals not to serve them. It is making cancer patients unable to see the doctors who have been treating them. And next year it will force insurers to cancel coverage of more than 50 million Americans, right after the election.

Obamacare is meant to redistribute wealth from the wage earners to those who don't. Of course, it isn't going to work without a lot of other taxes, since young people are too smart to pay for insurance against sex change operations and geriatric care they don't need.

It's just an awful, un-American thing to do to your fellow citizens, and Obama will be cursed for generations.

Blue Nation wrote:Then you assume the offspring of the privileged attending Harvard speak for their generation? I doubt that. I edited out your link because it isn't important.

Your claim was that millennials don't want insurance which is plainly not so. Some may prefer that someone else pay for their healthcare and will choose not to buy insurance. After the ACA is in effect, they will still have that option but will pay a penalty for failing to take responsibility for themselves. Either way, ACA will require everyone to pitch in what they can and make an effort to carry their own weight. That sounds quintessentially American to me.

You edited my link because you say it wasn't important but you clearly didn't read it because in your words I was talking about the "offspring of the privileged attending Harvard." The survey was conducted by Harvard, it wasn't a survey of Harvard students. When you refuse to read opposing views and insist your opinions are fact you are not likely to be enlightened. My link was important because there is nothing more important to the success of Obamacare than having the unwilling millenials balance the actuarial tables. Let me help you, I will read it for you:

The new poll shows that Obama's approval rating with 18- to 29-year-olds now stands at 41%, a dramatic 11-point drop from April. Fifty-four percent said they disapprove of the president's performance.

The Harvard pollsters noted that during the time they conducted their latest survey of young Americans, national polls of the general population showed that Obama's approval rating hovered between 37% and 40%.

Support from young voters was crucial to Obama's two successful presidential campaigns.

Perhaps more troubling for Obama, the poll showed 40% of young Americans believe Obamacare will bring worse care, 51% believe it will bring higher costs and 57% said they disapprove of the president's signature law.

"Although Millennials have held firm in their approval of the president in past polls, we are now seeing a sea change among this critical demographic," said Trey Grayson, director of Harvard Institute of Politics.

Among the 18- to 29-year-olds currently without health insurance, less than a third say they're likely to enroll in the exchange. Thirteen percent say they will definitely enroll, 16% say they will probably enroll, and 41% say they are split 50-50 on whether they will enroll, according to the poll.

The latest sobering poll numbers come as Obama took part in a youth summit at the White House on Wednesday, where he encouraged uninsured young people to sign up for health care. Enrolling plenty of young, healthy people is considered critical to making the Affordable Care Act a success.

You're right, I didn't read your link. It isn't important. I live in this country and pay close attention to what's going on. I don't need a poll to tell me. Polls change with the wind, with the questions asked and the words used, so I don't find them convincing. In the case of the ACA, the website debacle and the relentless distortions from the GOP have undoubtedly disappointed and confused many people. The poll is a snapshot of that, nothing more.

The rhetorical poison oozing from the Right is so relentless that I admit I don't pay much attention to it anymore. I certainly don't rely on the ignorant, crazed and hate-sick extremists on the Right for enlightenment. Why would anyone?

Translated: I know because I know because I look out the window each day and I know and even if Dems are turning against Obama it's all a figment of everyone else's imagination.

LOL!So he's telling you, and the rest of the world, that anything that does not go along with what he thinks is not important. Even if it is the truth, it's not important.Those of us who have been reading his posts here knew this, but it's nice to finally see him admit it.And the left only trusts polls that go in their favor. If they don't, then they "change with the wind, ...... so I don't find them convincing". I've seen that said a dozen different ways..

The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But underthe name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialistprogram, until one day America will be a Socialist nation.

JonBen wrote:It IS working - but let's not confuse the conservatives with actual facts.

Pre-existing conditions are now covered. People can't be kicked off their plans for getting sick. Millions of more Americans are getting coverage. And "junk" policies foisted on the public by greedy insurance companies are being stopped.

So, government takeover of 1/6 of the economy was necessary to mandate coverage pre-existing conditions and prevention of policy cancelations for submitting claims? Could have done that by passing a law making it so. Instead, we get government control of who I must purchase my plans from and which doctor I must go to. I like my doctor, but can not see him anymore. He isn't in the exchange. So. The president lied. I want my doctor.........

Looks like FREE, ACA coverage (expanded Medicaid) is doing very well...getting LOTS of enrollees. Now....all we gotta do is figure out how to pay for all of these people getting free ACA coverage. Who would of thought we could of had this problem? You don't suppose higher taxes will be coming...do you?

Blue Nation wrote:And you presume to speak for millennials? Funny. I know several millennials who are eager to buy their own insurance and are delighted by the options they found at the ACA websites. They know its important to have insurance and now they can afford it.

You must know all of them then.

And at this point, My question is: Just how many of all those anxiously panting to have ACA insurance have paid first premium, and have received a copy of insurance policy, having time to review it and cancel, or continue? Somehow, that is a question not answered anywhere I have browsed, although USA Today had a map yesterday showing each state and number who supposedly have signed up. Please list if you know of any.And if anyone does have such a policy, I would suggest contacting their doctor to see if he/she is accepting that insurance. I have medicare and TFL, and my visit to doctor in May was not paid, supposedly because my care providers were not listed by United Health who manages that program since 1 April.

billr123 wrote:Looks like FREE, ACA coverage (expanded Medicaid) is doing very well...getting LOTS of enrollees. Now....all we gotta do is figure out how to pay for all of these people getting free ACA coverage. Who would of thought we could of had this problem? You don't suppose higher taxes will be coming...do you?

Guess what? We're already paying for free coverage for the poor and the irresponsible. They go to emergency rooms when they want to see a doctor, and the taxpayers pay a very high price for it in one way or another. The ACA will bring more people into the system, healthy or not, ask them to pay something for their own care, and provide preventive care for everyone.

It will also improve recordkeeping to reduce wasted time and money, provide better coordination of services and better case management, gather statistics about what works and what doesn't, and reward hospitals and physicians for actual results rather than for prescribing unnecessary tests, drugs and services. It's going to improve american healthcare in countless ways.

Barney wrote:Obama is guilty of telling one of the biggest lies to the American people in our 200+ year history. Why would anyone except the perpetually ignorant believe anything he says? He's a Chicago politician taking lies and trickery straight out of his socialist playbook.

Obamacare won't work unless a majority of subscribers are strong and healthy and that ain't happening any time soon nor will it happen in the future.

A little prone to hyperbole? Keep hoping for failure; that's what Righties do these days.

I think the Right wants Obama to fail because they have no new ideas of their own and have contributed nothing to addressing the real problems americans face every day. If Obama and the Democrats succeed again where the Right has never bothered to try, why would any american look to the Right for solutions? They wouldn't. So now, the Right focuses on obstruction, disinformation and sabotage.

Barney wrote:Obama is guilty of telling one of the biggest lies to the American people in our 200+ year history. Why would anyone except the perpetually ignorant believe anything he says? He's a Chicago politician taking lies and trickery straight out of his socialist playbook.

Obamacare won't work unless a majority of subscribers are strong and healthy and that ain't happening any time soon nor will it happen in the future.

A little prone to hyperbole? Keep hoping for failure; that's what Righties do these days.

I think the Right wants Obama to fail because they have no new ideas of their own and have contributed nothing to addressing the real problems americans face every day. If Obama and the Democrats succeed again where the Right has never bothered to try, why would any american look to the Right for solutions? They wouldn't. So now, the Right focuses on obstruction, disinformation and sabotage.

Obama and Democrats are celebrating for getting 100k people to sign up for Obamacare in November.

In one week 128k Americans signed a petition to bring Brian back after being killed on Family Guy. Not impressed with the numbers for Obamacare.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Barack Hussein Obama and his people have wasted 1 Billion dollars on the "Obama-care" Web site. You could treat a lot sick of people for 1 Billion dollars.

What's truly amazing is that one company offered to build the Web site for free, yet it was awarded on a non bid contract to a Canadian company which has a history of failure.

Getting admitted to an American University as a Foreign exchange student requiring lower standards, as well as being a the editor of a school newspaper and a community organizer clearly does not translate into executive experience.

With each passing day Barack Hussein Obama's incompetence becomes more glaring and damaging to the country.

With some luck the Millenniums might wake up and realize that the Snake Oil salesman in the White House is sticking them with a pretty big tab!

Barack Hussein Obama and his people have wasted 1 Billion dollars on the "Obama-care" Web site. You could treat a lot sick of people for 1 Billion dollars.

What's truly amazing is that one company offered to build the Web site for free, yet it was awarded on a non bid contract to a Canadian company which has a history of failure.

Getting admitted to an American University as a Foreign exchange student requiring lower standards, as well as being a the editor of a school newspaper and a community organizer clearly does not translate into executive experience.

With each passing day Barack Hussein Obama's incompetence becomes more glaring and damaging to the country.

With some luck the Millenniums might wake up and realize that the Snake Oil salesman in the White House is sticking them with a pretty big tab!

A site and web farm like this should have cost less than $5 million and probably 18 months to design, build and test. The project was GIVEN to Michelle's college buddy in Canada to rape the American tax payers. This is why it, and the fix were both NO-BID contracts. It also cost more than 100 TIMES what it should have cost.

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We no longer live in the information age.We now live in the age of misinformation.

Blue Nation wrote:And you presume to speak for millennials? Funny. I know several millennials who are eager to buy their own insurance and are delighted by the options they found at the ACA websites. They know its important to have insurance and now they can afford it.

You must know all of them then.

And at this point, My question is: Just how many of all those anxiously panting to have ACA insurance have paid first premium, and have received a copy of insurance policy, having time to review it and cancel, or continue? Somehow, that is a question not answered anywhere I have browsed, although USA Today had a map yesterday showing each state and number who supposedly have signed up. Please list if you know of any.And if anyone does have such a policy, I would suggest contacting their doctor to see if he/she is accepting that insurance. I have medicare and TFL, and my visit to doctor in May was not paid, supposedly because my care providers were not listed by United Health who manages that program since 1 April.

Healthcare.gov never had the payment option designed or built into it so now, the administration is letting the insurance companies "Guess" how much money they should get per policy. That's right -- GUESS. 1/6 of the nation's economy in the hands of profit making guessers.

We no longer live in the information age.We now live in the age of misinformation.

swen swenson wrote:Obama insisted that "If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor, period".

You guys harping on this crack me up.

Know why?

Because you and I both know you'd be unbelievably butthurt if Obama were to somehow mandate the behavior of insurance companies and not allow them to change or drop insurance policies (even if they are junk).

Hey Chuck, not sure you're aware of this but not everyone is guaranteed the right to healthcare, nor the right to live as long of a life or quality of life as someone that can afford to have both. Life is unfair but that's how it is. We're just like every other animal in the animal kingdom. Survival of the fittest, the strong survive, the weak do not. There are no guarantees in the life of an animal, nor a plant. Our intelligence does not change the fairness factor.

The Constitution does not guarantee the right to an equal life for everyone. All men are created equal and are afforded the same rights upon birth, but from that instant, it is up to you and your parents what happens and how your life is shaped in every aspect.