North Idaho, or the Idaho Panhandle was the focus of a 3 day trip to asses properties and the livelihood of various small towns.

Quote:The Idaho Panhandle is the northern region of the U.S. state of Idaho that encompasses the state's ten northernmost counties: Benewah, Bonner, Boundary, Clearwater, Idaho, Kootenai, Latah, Lewis, Nez Perce, and Shoshone. Residents of the Panhandle refer to the region as North Idaho, though the southern part of the region is sometimes referred to as North Central Idaho. The Panhandle is bordered by the state of Washington to the west, Montana to the east, and the Canadian province of British Columbia to the north.

Coeur d'Alene is the largest city within the Idaho Panhandle. Spokane, Washington is around 30 miles (48 km) west of Coeur d'Alene, and is also the location of the regional airport, Spokane International Airport. Other important cities in the region include Lewiston, Moscow, Post Falls, Hayden, Sandpoint, and the smaller towns of St. Maries and Bonners Ferry. East of Coeur d'Alene is the Silver Valley, which follows Interstate 90 to the Montana border at Lookout Pass.

The region has a land area of 21,012.64 square miles (54,422.5 km2), around 25.4% of the state's total land area; there is also 323.95 square miles (839.0 km2) of water area. As of the 2010 Census, the population of the Idaho Panhandle was 317,751, around 20.3% of the state's total population of 1,567,582.[2]

The Idaho Panhandle observes Pacific Time north of the western-flowing Salmon River in the southern part of Idaho County. The rest of the state to the south observes Mountain Time, which begins at Riggins. Though the Idaho Panhandle is at the same longitude as southern Idaho, the reasons for the different time zones are: (1) because Spokane is the commercial and transportation center for the region, and (2) there are many cross-border towns and cities that are connected, led by Spokane with Coeur d'Alene and Post Falls, followed by Pullman (home of Washington State University) with Moscow (home of the University of Idaho), and Clarkston with Lewiston.

The Panhandle is isolated from southern Idaho due to distance and the east-west mountain ranges that naturally separate the state. The passage by vehicle was arduous until significant highway improvements were made on U.S. Route 95 in North Central Idaho (specifically at White Bird Hill, Lawyer's Canyon, Lapwai Canyon and the Lewiston grade) from 1965 through 1995.

You know you're in Idaho when you go out shitlording wearing a Trump hat and OCing a G19 and get nothing but props, smiles, and high fives.

General Social Dynamic - First, I will posit that Idaho is more relationship biased than SNL/ONS/ZDB.

Many small towns in Idaho are multi generational and as such very cliquish. People are of course very friendly but breaking into a social circle here will be impossible unless you invest heavily. Therefore the areas with more tourists and transients will be more accepting to newcomers. CDA, Moscow, and maybe Sandpoint are the smallest I would recommend. If you have a girl/wife already and want a nice quiet place to settle down in then Priest River, Harrison, St. Maries, Bonner's Ferry, or Post Falls are good looking choices that I visited and am considering buying in.

N. Idaho Men - Alphas everywhere. Lot of guys have beards and wear flannel and boots because they actually cut down trees or raise cattle for a living. Mostly gun/outdoor type of guys. I assume they are fairly secure in their position in the local marketplace because I didnt perceive any hostility, more of a guarded curiosity. They are competition solely because of their personality types and inherent status.

N. Idaho Women - Extremely feminine, friendly, and family oriented. They don't just talk the talk of hunting, fishing, and ranching. They grew up in the life and definitely respond positively to masculinity. If you aren't in one of the above demographics you better bring something more interesting to the table (my "Im a veteran looking to relocate" spiel worked well). Mostly thin and athletic, but definitely a contingent of "cornfed" girls too if thats your thing. There are 3 types of girls that I noticed: locals, tourists, and seasonals, each with their own angles. Here the SJW/feminist with blue hair and face piercings is still something that is looked at with curiosity rather than something to emulate. If all you have experienced is the vapid women of liberal population centers, you will be pleasantly surprised - as I was - by the quality here.

Coeur d'Alene (CDA), pop 45,000

Quote:The Coeur d'Alene Resort takes up a prominent portion of the city's downtown. It is also located near two major ski resorts: Silver Mountain Resort to the east in Kellogg, and Schweitzer Mountain Ski Resort to the north in Sandpoint.

Coeur d'Alene's retail has expanded greatly in recent years with the opening of new stores and entertainment venues. Coeur d'Alene's Riverstone development houses a 14-theater Regal Cinemas, condominiums, a Hampton Inn, a park, restaurants, and local retailers. The North Idaho Centennial Trail bike path cuts through the Riverstone complex alongside an abandoned railroad right of way. The Citylink transit system adjoins the northwest entrance of the Riverstone complex.

Giant statues of bird feathers line Northwest Boulevard, celebrating the rich heritage associated with the Coeur d'Alene Tribe. Art galleries and cafes are located along Sherman Avenue, Coeur d'Alene's main street. During summer, artists and musicians frequent Sherman Square.

In 2009, Coeur d'Alene ranked No. 12 on Newsmax magazine's list of the "Top 25 Most Uniquely American Cities and Towns,"

Impression: CDA is a small city with most amenities that you need and have come to expect, all near a huge lake and vast mountain wilderness. Spokane provides international air travel and a "big city" to the area. In nice weather there are many people walking and running by the lake and downtown areas. Water sports are very popular here in the summer, giving an incentive for girls to maintain a beach ready body. There are a good number of both seasonal and tourists here so there are fresh faces on a recurring basis.

Lodging

Coeur d'Alene Resort - Focal point of the city center. Right on the lake, has bars, restaurants, a marina, shopping, etc. Rooms are expensive and outdated, but it is the best place to be if you are going downtown.

Crickets oyster bar and grill - Small seafood place with poor drinks and a tourist clientele.

Iron Horse Bar - Typical small town bar with live music, darts, etc. The girls were of noticeably lesser quality here.

Moose Lounge Much better than Iron Horse, half the clientele was decent looking country girls.

Beacon Pub - Decent bar, shuffleboard and pool tables, was a sausage fest when I went.

The Cellar @ 317 - Decent Restaurant and bar upstairs, lounge w/live music downstairs. As the name implies it is themed more as a wine bar. Limited cocktail listing. Good food with an older more well off crowd, several pairs/groups of cougars.

Quote:It is the principal city in the Moscow, Idaho Micropolitan Statistical Area, which includes all of Latah County. The city contains over 60% of the county's population and while the university is the dominant employer in Moscow, the city also serves as an agricultural and commercial hub for the Palouse region.

Moscow is centered around the University of Idaho. It is about 45% female.

Impression: I knew this place was different the moment I rolled into the city. Gents, I'm going on record here: THIS is the place to be, maybe in all of Idaho. Moscow is smack dab in the middle of the Palouse Hills farming region. So picture a university plucked out of Iowa and plopped down in northern Idaho. After every turn I took there seemed to be bikers with American flags streaming, old farmers wearing Trump hats, and petite blond girls with pigtails driving beat up old pick up trucks. One street has bars, the next combine and tractor dealerships. Also noted (throughout Idaho really) a preponderance of complete families i.e. Husband and wife in proper role and curious but generally well behaved children. Both parents seem to be genuinely happy with their kids and not dismissively ignorant like in a bigger liberal city. The thing is, school is even out for the summer so I am eager to go back when classes are in session to get a feel for it when at capacity. There was a noticeable increase in the amount of hipster/SJW looking people but they were not militant in the least, they were content to stay to themselves. At this latitude the sun doesn't set until about 9 in the summers so people are generally happy and high energy at the start of the evenings. Lots of NRA, Trump, 2A, and patriotic clothing worn by men and women alike. Didn't plan on meeting up with anyone but synced tinder anyway. Matches skyrocketed from 2-3 a day to 15 over fri-sat, 3 girls opened me straight away. All early 20's cute feminine and outdoorsy.

Lodging

Fairfield Inn - Really good military rate. Helpful front desk staff gave me some decent intel on some local hidden gems. 3/4 mi walk to the downtown district where everything is. The Idaho Inn is slightly closer but not as nice with fewer amenities.

Fitness

North Idaho Athletic Club - Crossfit/strength style gym on Main St.

Food/drink

CD's pit BBQ - Awesome place. Open carry discount, full size copy of the constitution on the wall, patriot flags hanging from the ceiling. Good brisket, better ribs.

Moscow Alehouse - Restaurant/bar with outdoor seating area. Dozen or so beers on tap. Low energy atmosphere save for a huge group of diverse liberal looking and sounding people, had one beer and left.

In closing, Idaho is a veritable red pill paradise where the men are men and the women are women. If you are looking for a LTR/wife or to raise a family, this is the place I would do it. It lags the rest of the country in social regression by 30+ years. For short term gaming, it can be a challenge however. If any locals have anything to add that Ive missed or misunderstood, feel free to share. Im looking forward to my next trip there.

Although this isn't pertinent to gaming girls, many of us see the clouds on the horizon and may be looking for a safe place to land should the balloon go up. This was part of my decision calculus for selecting Idaho, I hope it is useful.

(07-26-2016 08:37 PM)Off The Reservation Wrote: Thanks for this. I was just studying the maps there and MT planning a trip.

Question, do locals consider themselves in a good SHTF location?

Absolutely, although it's really six of one, half dozen of the other when comparing most of the other redoubt states.

Even though they have superior growing seasons eastern WA and OR are out of the running right away in my opinion, ruled by the coastal population centers they are simply politically untenable. OR is mostly blue already, and WA has the thinnest of red majorities in the state legislature. So that leaves the big 3: ID, MT, and WY.

There are a number of reasons why I think Idaho is ideal for SHTF purposes.

Below are the USDA growing zones for the 3 states. Most of N. Idaho is favorable for growing, and has a full 4 seasons due to a microclimate between the mountain ranges. Idaho has many agricultural strengths such as timber, livestock, grains, and potatoes. MT only has a small area in the Silver Valley that is a zone 6. WY is even worse. Winters in the pink/purple/blue areas come early and stay late, with some counties in WY reporting snow in every month of the year.

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Defensible Terrain

North Idaho is separated from southern/central Idaho by the Sawtooth and Bitterroot Mountain ranges, from the great Plains by the northern Rocky Mountains, and from the west by the Cascade range. [tinfoil] The theory is that when the UN forces invade the US to subdue and disarm us they will have trouble affecting a mechanized response. [/tinfoil] WY and much of MT is very barren open country.

Self sufficiency and trade

Idaho has both an international border, and a river port to facilitate trade at the confluence of the Snake and Clearwater Rivers in Lewiston. While not as good as a seacoast with a deepwater port, its far better than being land locked.

Cant forget to throw this out there...

Quote:Ammunition manufacturing maintains a very important and growing presence in Lewiston, being the headquarters of ammunition makers, CCI and Speer Bullet.

Wyoming does have an ace in the hole, in that it contains an absurd amount of energy units. Coal, oil, nat gas, and minerals.

These are a few of the major factors that swayed me towards Idaho. It is by no means all inclusive, or the last word on the matter. Some first impressions of the other states surely shaped my perception (perhaps wrongly) and made things easier for me personally to arrive at this conclusion.

Great information, I'm on the East Coast and I've been looking at the Northeastern corner of Tennessee as a somewhat comparable area of the country, I'd love to thoroughly tour these sparsely populated, mountainous regions. One day I want to purchase a few acres and build a sweet cabin to call home base.

ND<SD, but both are certainly viable states, and still remain on my list particularly SD due to lack of an income tax. They both enjoy low population density, a predominantly conservative population, low unemployment, and relatively low tax burdens especially SD. Housing and land are extremely affordable and available there (minus the Bakken in ND). The state govt is smaller and less intrusive than most other states.

The big factor for me, is weather and the resulting growing season. Microclimates certainly exist that can be favorable but if you look at the map here: USDA Plant Hardiness Zones the climate is frigid. Also I think the water % is misleading due to the rivers, as Ive read consistently that wells can be deep, slow, and full of minerals.

There is (was?) a demographic concern, that the smaller towns are literally dying off as the old farmers and farms pass on and their lands get incorporated into bigger farms. There was an initiative a few years back where they were giving away plots of land if you developed it. I list it as a negative here, but a more enterprising man than myself could surely get a head start on a literal empire that way if conditions were right.

North east Tennessee might look nice on paper but the liberal influence of Knoxville and ETSU is something not to be ignored. I lived in East TN for a few years (early 2000s) and the independent mountain types are becoming rarer and rarer, instead you have a huge federal influence via TVA and the National Park, riff raff coming in from ATL and the aforementioned effects of the big state universities. The only place that seems to hold out is Cocke County, pretty much a community of active moonshiners... They had their sheriff dept arrested by the FBI for turning a blind eye to cockfighting venues.

Nailed it with this datasheet. As someone who has spent time in ID, I can confirm everything said above. The men and women have true polarity, and folks are just plain friendly in a salt-of-the-earth sort of way. Normal, everyday people living simple, but proud lives. For American men looking to spend time meeting women worthy of LTR/wife search but don't want to go abroad, you could do a lot worse than Idaho's panhandle.

I have a good amount of family in this area. North Idaho can be heaven on earth if you are the right age. Moscow/Pullman area has 2 huge universities that pull 18-22yo girls from all over the region. They are also getting a lot of international students now.

Listen, these girls many of them come from west coast suburban areas and get dropped into the middle of nowhere. The only fun stuff to do in this area for city type girls is drink and fuck... and these girls do lots of both. The local girls are cool as hell, but Moscow is 60% Mormon... so unless you want to convert and have 8 kids... go for the University girls. This is just my 2 cents.

Not exactly in the 'pan handle' but highway 12 and the Bitterroots are some of the best motorcycle riding in the area.

I had a lot of fun in my early 20's in CDL and Sandpoint too.

Also had a Deliverance type scenario start to unfold in Riggins haha.

Idaho is great. Lots of my Alberta buddies bought across the border there over the years. I wish I had the money at the time to get in it. Idaho is starting to feel the heat from fuckers in California looking for more places to poison.

I'm looking for a place to move to once I finish the current degree I'm working on. I was born in NYC and lived here practically all my life (a few years in the Bay Area), but I'm so tired of this city and the liberal/progressive bullshit that was always there, but I've only really started to notice and hate the last few years. Unfortunately (maybe not so), I'm not the kind of person to just pick up and move. I'm a researcher and planner. So it's taking some time to figure out the move. People tell me I'd hate small cities having grown up in NYC, but I know I'll be happy if I can get a decent job, have a nice little house, and, god willing, a family. One thing I know I don't want is progressives of any kind near me.

I was looking at Texas at first because it seemed like the conservative choice. But now, it looks like Texas is just becoming a purple state and the liberals are moving from NYC and Cali there. So I've been looking at Utah more recently. I've visited. It's beautiful. And there seems to be some really quiet nice cities that I could see myself in. Only problem is the culture. I'm not Mormon. Normally, I wouldn't care who lives around me as long as they're not bothering me, but I do think I'd like to be someplace where I can become part of the community if I find I like the people and they share my values. It's funny because I probably act more like a Mormon than most Mormons (Don't drink, don't smoke, very straight-laced, spiritual), but I have no intention of converting and I hear they're not terribly accepting of non-Mormons. Add to that the uncertainty of finding a mate...

Anyway, all of that is to say that I'm glad there are people thinking about creating a conservative/libertarian enclave. Utah is not far from this American Redoubt (must admit, I had never heard of that before). Maybe it will be an additional place for people of the same mind in the future.

(07-27-2019 12:33 AM)How Many Bothans Wrote: I'm looking for a place to move to once I finish the current degree I'm working on. I was born in NYC and lived here practically all my life (a few years in the Bay Area), but I'm so tired of this city and the liberal/progressive bullshit that was always there, but I've only really started to notice and hate the last few years. Unfortunately (maybe not so), I'm not the kind of person to just pick up and move. I'm a researcher and planner. So it's taking some time to figure out the move. People tell me I'd hate small cities having grown up in NYC, but I know I'll be happy if I can get a decent job, have a nice little house, and, god willing, a family. One thing I know I don't want is progressives of any kind near me.

I was looking at Texas at first because it seemed like the conservative choice. But now, it looks like Texas is just becoming a purple state and the liberals are moving from NYC and Cali there. So I've been looking at Utah more recently. I've visited. It's beautiful. And there seems to be some really quiet nice cities that I could see myself in. Only problem is the culture. I'm not Mormon. Normally, I wouldn't care who lives around me as long as they're not bothering me, but I do think I'd like to be someplace where I can become part of the community if I find I like the people and they share my values. It's funny because I probably act more like a Mormon than most Mormons (Don't drink, don't smoke, very straight-laced, spiritual), but I have no intention of converting and I hear they're not terribly accepting of non-Mormons. Add to that the uncertainty of finding a mate...

Anyway, all of that is to say that I'm glad there are people thinking about creating a conservative/libertarian enclave. Utah is not far from this American Redoubt (must admit, I had never heard of that before). Maybe it will be an additional place for people of the same mind in the future.

Eh, don't discount Texas, it's still largely red. Avoid living in the cities and you'll be fine. It's just Dallas, Austin, and Houston and some parts of South Texas near the border that are fairly shitlib. When you get out into the exurbs or even further out it's better humans. Honestly, here in Dallas you can find lots of conservatives north of the PGBT, or out in Fort Worth which is hugely underrated.

Idaho is also becoming an enclave for Californians and mormons are more cucked than you think they are...

But even by comparison to NYC and DC, Texas is way less in-your-face about politics. I wouldn't worry about it unless you're in Austin which is the exception.

(07-27-2019 01:48 AM)MrLemon Wrote: Here is a photo of a college vollyball club. Ok everybody, look closely. What do you notice in this picture that is true of - every single girl - ??

Long hair? Absence of tattoos? Smiles? They're all white and reasonably feminine looking?

Hell yeah, good lookin gals. I'll be the Debbie Downer. I can guarantee they all talk like every single word out of their mouth sounds like it's a question. Can't bring myself to say til death do us part when I have to listen to nails on a chalkboard for the rest of my life. Damn I'm shallow.

Dreams are like horses; they run wild on the earth. Catch one and ride it. Throw a leg over and ride it for all its worth.
Psalm 25:7https://youtu.be/vHVoMCH10Wk

We are off to north eastern Washington and Idaho in the morning. Talking with Albertan friends who have cabins in Idaho is that the Californian pop has doubled this year. Locals are NOT happy, and some of the smaller cities are seeing a big spillover from the Boise liberal crowd. Once California liberals realize that MAGA hat wearing Boise folk aren't driving around the city looking for liberals and minorities to run over, they expanded their range to smaller Idaho places.