The Movie "Contact" - Think Atheist2015-03-31T22:45:42Zhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/forum/topics/the-movie-contact?commentId=1982180%3AComment%3A1146415&feed=yes&xn_auth=noAs for a hydrogen drive, buil…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-06-26:1982180:Comment:11472452012-06-26T21:34:20.532Zarchaeopteryxhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/xn/detail/u_2gskiyna07rt3
<p>As for a hydrogen drive, building vents into their craft that could act as hydrogen collection scoops, then zipping through the nearest gas cloud would certainly be a lot simpler and more logical than hoping they'll locate a waterworld before they ran out of gas.</p>
<p>As for a hydrogen drive, building vents into their craft that could act as hydrogen collection scoops, then zipping through the nearest gas cloud would certainly be a lot simpler and more logical than hoping they'll locate a waterworld before they ran out of gas.</p> Frankly, I'm leaning toward a…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-06-26:1982180:Comment:11474132012-06-26T21:30:45.487Zarchaeopteryxhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/xn/detail/u_2gskiyna07rt3
<p>Frankly, I'm leaning toward an <em>Improbability Drive</em>, and there are an abundance of those.</p>
<p>Frankly, I'm leaning toward an <em>Improbability Drive</em>, and there are an abundance of those.</p> Actually the planet "GJ 1214b…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-06-26:1982180:Comment:11472442012-06-26T21:07:37.349ZEric Diazhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/EricDiaz
<p>Actually the planet "GJ 1214b" is basically a water world. Also There is good reason to believe that underneath Jupiter's moon Europa there is an ocean kept in liquid form through tidal heating. Water is very common in the universe, since is made of the most common atoms.</p>
<p>Actually the planet "GJ 1214b" is basically a water world. Also There is good reason to believe that underneath Jupiter's moon Europa there is an ocean kept in liquid form through tidal heating. Water is very common in the universe, since is made of the most common atoms.</p> Even if they get to earth the…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-06-26:1982180:Comment:11473122012-06-26T20:53:15.281ZEric Diazhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/EricDiaz
<p>Even if they get to earth there is no guarantee that anything that it is here would be food for them. That assumes that their species is reproducing beyond their means.</p>
<p>My assumptions revolve around the idea that a species this advance would almost by necessity rid itself from the most basic human problems we face in order to thrive. </p>
<p>That involves: They can harness energy to maintain a highly technological civilization without altering their environment (Maybe fusion or…</p>
<p>Even if they get to earth there is no guarantee that anything that it is here would be food for them. That assumes that their species is reproducing beyond their means.</p>
<p>My assumptions revolve around the idea that a species this advance would almost by necessity rid itself from the most basic human problems we face in order to thrive. </p>
<p>That involves: They can harness energy to maintain a highly technological civilization without altering their environment (Maybe fusion or other renewable sources), has had achieved something close to world peace which I think can only be reached through rational and benevolent ways of life, and the basic necessities like food and whatever they may drink are not an issue.</p>
<p>Our planet would not have an overpopulation issue, if people where better educated and poverty was less prevalent.</p> @archaeopteryx
Unseen, the hy…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-06-26:1982180:Comment:11471762012-06-26T19:48:38.327ZUnseenhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/Unseen
<p>@archaeopteryx</p>
<p><em><strong>Unseen, the hydrogen atom is the most plentiful of all of the elements in the universe - why on earth, literally, would they need to come here and separate H2O molecules, just to get hydrogen?</strong></em></p>
<p>You can ask them when they get here. I suspect they'll say that Earth is one of the few planets with such large puddles of the stuff.</p>
<p>@archaeopteryx</p>
<p><em><strong>Unseen, the hydrogen atom is the most plentiful of all of the elements in the universe - why on earth, literally, would they need to come here and separate H2O molecules, just to get hydrogen?</strong></em></p>
<p>You can ask them when they get here. I suspect they'll say that Earth is one of the few planets with such large puddles of the stuff.</p> Unseen, the hydrogen atom is…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-06-26:1982180:Comment:11473072012-06-26T19:44:57.931Zarchaeopteryxhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/xn/detail/u_2gskiyna07rt3
<p>Unseen, the hydrogen atom is the most plentiful of all of the elements in the universe - why on earth, literally, would they need to come here and separate H2O molecules, just to get hydrogen?</p>
<p>Unseen, the hydrogen atom is the most plentiful of all of the elements in the universe - why on earth, literally, would they need to come here and separate H2O molecules, just to get hydrogen?</p> Eric, I think you're overlook…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-06-26:1982180:Comment:11473062012-06-26T19:42:03.586Zarchaeopteryxhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/xn/detail/u_2gskiyna07rt3
<p>Eric, I think you're overlooking the food factor - if life in the universe is as rare as it appears to be, and a species has eaten everything edible on its own planet, why knows?</p>
<p>Eric, I think you're overlooking the food factor - if life in the universe is as rare as it appears to be, and a species has eaten everything edible on its own planet, why knows?</p> A race that can cross space w…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-06-26:1982180:Comment:11471732012-06-26T19:40:06.141ZUnseenhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/Unseen
<p>A race that can cross space will likely need to refuel. If their locomotion is based on hydrogen (one possibility) they'll be looking for water in some form or other because they will know how to separate it from the oxygen. (Ironic, isn't it, that once you break water molecules apart, you have two ingredients that can be used for combustion!)</p>
<p>A race that can cross space will likely need to refuel. If their locomotion is based on hydrogen (one possibility) they'll be looking for water in some form or other because they will know how to separate it from the oxygen. (Ironic, isn't it, that once you break water molecules apart, you have two ingredients that can be used for combustion!)</p> Precaution towards what we do…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-06-26:1982180:Comment:11472302012-06-26T19:26:29.683ZEric Diazhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/EricDiaz
<p>Precaution towards what we don't understand is a good thing.</p>
<p>Resources is the only thing I could imagine being a motivating factor to enslave another species. But a species that is capable of interstellar travel needs to be able to harness vast amounts of energy and other resources to begin with, and I don't think the earth can provide anything that could not be found easily anywhere else in the cosmos (except for life). In short, I think a species that would be interested in…</p>
<p>Precaution towards what we don't understand is a good thing.</p>
<p>Resources is the only thing I could imagine being a motivating factor to enslave another species. But a species that is capable of interstellar travel needs to be able to harness vast amounts of energy and other resources to begin with, and I don't think the earth can provide anything that could not be found easily anywhere else in the cosmos (except for life). In short, I think a species that would be interested in exploiting our species would do it simply because they are sadistic. Possible but I think unlikely.</p>
<p>I think they most likely would be indifferent towards us. Maybe take a human or two and test on them and learn about us once in a while. Like we do with other animals. In fact, since intelligent life is a rarity the only thing of value we can offer beings of that intellect is a reality show on how a civilization struggles to avoid self-destruction.</p> Actually, our own entry into…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-06-26:1982180:Comment:11473982012-06-26T19:13:05.059Zarchaeopteryxhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/xn/detail/u_2gskiyna07rt3
<p>Actually, our own entry into the space program came about as a result of the cold war, as a demonstration that "ours is bigger than yours," so to speak - why would we not imagine that another civilization might not have initiated their own space program for military reasons?</p>
<p>Put that much advanced technology behind a military mentality, and what do you have --? Certainly not the Welcome Wagon!</p>
<p>Actually, our own entry into the space program came about as a result of the cold war, as a demonstration that "ours is bigger than yours," so to speak - why would we not imagine that another civilization might not have initiated their own space program for military reasons?</p>
<p>Put that much advanced technology behind a military mentality, and what do you have --? Certainly not the Welcome Wagon!</p>