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Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

To the surprise of no one, except possibly the brain dead liberals, here's a quote from an article late today:

In an email sent Monday morning, Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee Director Robby Mook appealed for signatures to an online petition in support of those who want "to let billionaires, big oil and big bankers know that we're not going to let the richest 1% force draconian economic policies and massive cuts to crucial programs on Main Street Americans."

Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

100% astroturf. That's all this is. Phase one of the Obama reelection campaign.

Here is the problem and why this doesn't bother me. When you make statements like this you actually have to back them up or the people get disenfranchised. We see it with Obama's current ratings.

Yes, people may get initially excited but in a year when nothing has been accomplished, the rhetoric will be meaningless. There are a certain segment that (D) or for that matter (R) means evreything to. For those who voted to give Wall Street all of this money to try and pretend that it wasn't them doesn't work with those who they must convince. The middle.

Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

Originally Posted by megaprogman

My reasoning for this is of course due to the basis of liberalism which is entirely about the greater good.

that is incorrect - as the class warfare rhetoric we have been seeing the past few months demonstrates. liberalism has become about very specific good for very specific groups. they are defended with the language of "greater good", but somehow we must always damage others to achieve that good for those groups...

if the plan is to rob peter to pay paul in order to get pauls' vote; okay. fine. but let's not pretend peter is improved by the exchange.

Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

angry at the boomers? well, currently they seem poised to do their best to ruin my childrens' future - that does occasionally get me a bit hot under the collar, as it would for any parent.

If you raise your children the way that I raised mine you won't have any thing to worry about, unlike you mine even learned to be respectful. My daughter and you are the same age, she is a doctor she worked and went to college at the same time, oh and I am a grand parent my grandson just started school. Yes sir my generation really blew it they gave their kids any thing they wanted and now those same kids want them to give up their SS, You don't have a problem with SS do you? I see these HS kids today driving these hot new cars, I had to buy my first car with money I made and so did every one of my friends, my parents gave me clothes to wear, a roof over my head, food in my belly and a train ticket to the induction center the day I turned 17.

I taught my daughter that their was nothing more important to her then her education, if her grade average dropped from 99 to 98 I was in with her teachers to see what I had to do to get her back on track, she learned to work and be self sufficent and to be respectful of others and BTW she believes that retired people are entitled to collect SS.

I don't care what generation you are from each and every one of us has different life experiences that shape us as we grow up, for you to sterotype one age brackett as good or bad says a lot about you

well, if it makes you feel any better, thus far the generation ya'll raised (badly) is even worse than you. never has their been a least accomplished, or more narcissistic generation than the ones raised under the cultural teachings of the Boomer Movement.

What generation raised you? Your 35 you must be the child of a baby boomer?

Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

They are the words that fit. Do you object to the one term Marxist president Obama or just to my label for him?

For my two cents, I object to both as utterly false and over the top hyperbole which crosses the border on the absurd in its extremism and vitriol.

But do have a nice day.

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Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

Here is the problem and why this doesn't bother me. When you make statements like this you actually have to back them up or the people get disenfranchised. We see it with Obama's current ratings.

Yes, people may get initially excited but in a year when nothing has been accomplished, the rhetoric will be meaningless. There are a certain segment that (D) or for that matter (R) means evreything to. For those who voted to give Wall Street all of this money to try and pretend that it wasn't them doesn't work with those who they must convince. The middle.

Back it up ? I am expressing an opinion, the same one that I did on day one of this charade. And so far, things are falling in line exactly as we said they would with this. Those that are upset with TARP, a 3 year old event, and who apparenlty have been sleep-walking about it ever since, are more than welcome to vote their conscience in 2012, as apparently they forgot to do so in Nov 2010 That is a huge clue to the astro-turf, btw.

I agree that this has to run its course in order to be exposed as the redistribution class-envy Obama-has-no-arrows-left-in-his-quiver fiasco that it is. That hardcore liberal redistribution 1/3rd of the electorate will have boners over this until the election. The downside is that Obama has taken the Presidency to a new low, actually fomenting physical class warfare. You will see more law-breaking, arrests, and I suspect some destruction of property as this plays out. Folks are mighty protective of their government teat, and they are scared to death of it not being there for them as Obama promised.

Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

Originally Posted by EarlzP

If you raise your children the way that I raised mine you won't have any thing to worry about

my children will live in a poorer future thanks to the fact that the boomers turned this nation from a net saver to a debtor of historical proportions. my individual children I will raise and equip as best I can to beat that, but their range of possibilities will still be constrained by the irresponsibilities of their grandparents' generation.

unlike you mine even learned to be respectful

My daughter and you are the same age, she is a doctor she worked and went to college at the same time, oh and I am a grand parent my grandson just started school.

they say grandkids are Gods' gift for not killing your own. How do you feel about your grandson spending his entire life working to pay off the money we borrowed from the chinese to fund your retirement?

Yes sir my generation really blew it they gave their kids any thing they wanted

precisely. my generation is generally spoiled, narcissistic, and convinced they deserve a trophy just for showing up. we were raised by divorced parents who were often more interested in themselves than in us (and they taught us to be the same way). one third of us were killed before we had a chance to breathe - after all, it's all about the parents' "life choices" and "journey". we were educated under an increasingly crappy public education system, and told that we should all go to college and rack up huge debts in order to get a piece of paper that increasingly means nothing.

The Boomers rejected what the WWII and Depression vets tried to teach them, and raised their kids in their own image. The result is a dumber America, poised over an economic precipice, yet convinced that all that was provided for us will naturally continue to come.

and now those same kids want them to give up their SS, You don't have a problem with SS do you?

i have offered up ad nauseum my preferred Social Security Reform; which I have demonstrated will in particular aid our working poor.

however, you are, i think talking generally about the coming entitlement collapse. in which case, yes, Boomers voted themselves lavish benefits, and then handed us the check. not only is that "not going to happen", it can't happen for the simple reason that we don't have enough money to cover you. entitlement expenditures will go down - the only question is how and whether or not we will be able to control that process in order to ensure that our most vulnerable remain most protected.

I see these HS kids today driving these hot new cars, I had to buy my first car with money I made and so did every one of my friends, my parents gave me clothes to wear, a roof over my head, food in my belly and a train ticket to the induction center the day I turned 17

precisely. your parents generation tried to teach ya'll self-reliance and industry. Boomers spoiled their children and taught them self-fulfillment and instant gratification. you see them driving those fancy new cars? who do you think is buying them? answer: parents. so, what are the parents teaching their kids with the "wow, you made it all the way to 16 - you deserve a brand new car!" lesson?

don't care what generation you are from each and every one of us has different life experiences that shape us as we grow up, for you to sterotype one age brackett as good or bad says a lot about you

actually "stereotyping by generation" is a unique approach of..... (wait for it)..... Boomers.

Re: Labor Unions Join Wall Street Occupiers for "Mass Rally'

Back it up ? I am expressing an opinion, the same one that I did on day one of this charade.

I'm sorry, you misunderstood me, perhaps I wasn't very clear. I meant the politicians jumping on the bandwagon are going to have to back up their words, not you.

And so far, things are falling in line exactly as we said they would with this. Those that are upset with TARP, a 3 year old event, and who apparenlty have been sleep-walking about it ever since, are more than welcome to vote their conscience in 2012, as apparently they forgot to do so in Nov 2010 That is a huge clue to the astro-turf, btw.

I will certainly grant you a valid position here. (not that you need my O.K. LOL )

I agree that this has to run its course in order to be exposed as the redistribution class-envy Obama-has-no-arrows-left-in-his-quiver fiasco that it is. That hardcore liberal redistribution 1/3rd of the electorate will have boners over this until the election. The downside is that Obama has taken the Presidency to a new low, actually fomenting physical class warfare. You will see more law-breaking, arrests, and I suspect some destruction of property as this plays out. Folks are mighty protective of their government teat, and they are scared to death of it not being there for them as Obama promised.

I do not disagree that the class envy crowd has jumped on. I'm still going to wait and see where this goes before making a judgement.