Concert Footage from Nokia 808 Pureview

Nokia-centric site All About Symbian has posted live concert video footage shot on-stage with the Nokia 808 PureView smartphone. The Nokia 808 has made headlines for its unusually large 41MP imaging sensor and 'PureView' technology, which oversamples to give high-quality 3-8MP output or crops to give effective zoom without having to drop to low pixel counts or upsample. It can also capture full HD video footage and its inbuilt stereo microphone can handle audio up to 140db (louder than a military jet).

We'll be posting a report on the 808 soon but, in the meantime, click through to get a taste of the 808's video capabilities in a very challenging (and loud) environment. (viaAll About Symbian).

Nokia 808 PureView concert footage

For more details on this footage, and on the Nokia 808 PureView, head over to All About Symbian

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the jello effect is annoying as always in smartphones and cheap digital cameras...if they manage to get rid of it in the future and increase the optical zoom a bit,it will be able to replace a midrange camcorder

The 808 is a amazing phone and would be the right successor for my Nokia N8... but it have Symbian and because that I've still wait if there will be a Android phone with a good camera.Don't missunderstand me I think Symbian is not bad but the most app devlepors leaving this platform and this is a serious problem.

I still can't believe the sound quality coming out of this small device:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRCl7I_XFRMIt would be the definite camera gear for concerts - if it only had better video stabilisation .. nokia please..

I think almost everyone has this bassackwards. This is not an issue of camera video vs smartphone video. It is not an issue of video at all. It's an issue of sound, and in particular loud concert sound, and the issue of that sound blowing out. I have some wonderful videos of concerts that I've been to that have only one issue - the sound is blown out and distorted. Yes, you can add external level-limited mics to most dSLRs, but given it can be achieved at a low cost of manufacter, I don't see any technical or budgetary reason why they don't already include mics that can handle higher db like this phone and the newer iPhones (for example) seem to be able to "and its inbuilt stereo microphone can handle audio up to 140db".

The only reason I can think of is to not cannibalise their pro lines and audio accessories, and hopefully more smartphones having this capability will force them to include it in more cameras too.

I must say that's an amazing story. To tell you the truth I thought Nokia were still the undisputed kings of the comms world. They probably were when I purchased my Nokia, but that was all too many years ago :-)

So is this Elop chap still in charge? I think if I were in his shoes I's be afraid to walk the streets of Helsinki.....Nokia was their pride and joy.

All this Canon Vs Nikon tripe we photographers get into...it looks like a kids brawl in a sandpit compared to the smartphone market!

So here's the biggy, leading on from Petrogel's comment, is this large sensor cameraphone Nokias last ditch attempt at saving something? Because if they can get good photos from a phone it may actually work.

But then again, maybe they will have to compete against an android smartphone enhanced NX10. And which would you buy?

That is a very stupid thing to say, but nothing new from you; more entertainment to come, I'm afraid?

You do realise that resource hungry R&D for PureView imager ASIC and DSP technology was initiated when Nokia was indisputably the leader of telecommunications equipment sector, don't you? That is many years ago, long before the present struggle against sliding market share.

Obviously you didn't understand what was meant, here is an example: I find it funny when a friend tells me that when he was doing shopping some other customer in the shop thought he was a sales person and started to explain his specific needs to my friend.

But I do recognise that sense of humour is a personal thing reflecting cultural background, upbringing and personality.

As you say humour reflects a lot of things but it has differences from place to place you didn't got mine but you hasten explaining yours, emphasizing the reflection of culture brightness and personality a funny person you are, maybe more funny than objective for sure .

Nokia made terrible mistakes, first by sticky with Symbian, and then even worse, going Microsoft. (Sigh) It is so painful to see such a great company going down with just a couple of bad decisions, but really bad decisions.

If you can't beat them, join them. Android is all the rage, if you are not Apple. This is not going to change any time soon.

Putting all these wonderful camera features with a Symbian phone just proved that Nokia is still stubbornly trying to ignore what the consumers have been telling it for years. Give up! See what Android can do with such a nice camera and with the Nokia build quality.

@Sergey BorachevI think you are seeing Nokia's competitors' strengths as Nokia's weaknesses. Apple's admirable success has been build on their strong lifestyle brand image and carefully segmented marketing starting from their strong follower base with brand loyalty beyond explanation. Android has been so successful mainly because of its licensing scheme which has created strong market presence through a plethora of devices.

What comes to Microsoft WP, I believe the jury is still out there. By the end of next year and with Windows 8 family we will be wiser to make conclusions. Nokia has other plans should WP strategy turn out to be a let down, no specifics has been published in this regard.

Which has turned out to be a good thing for us Aussies. Asian markets have been receiving stock of the 808 which has allowed us to import them relatively cheaply. Around AUD $600 delivered to our door is a great deal.

Asia is a big continent, Europe is a moneyless continent (Under Apple's and Android's influence ), Australia is 23 milion continent from which only sir_bazz bought the device and Nokia's only hope is U.S.A ......

If in Nokia they want to do something to save the name the brand and the pride, they'll might need to change marketing department

Our market is small by global standards (and Nokia Australia have already made a decision that the future is with WP8) but importing an 808 from Singapore is over AUD $100 cheaper than buying an iphone 4s or Samsung Galaxy SIII making it a very attractive camera phone option.

Now I must say I find this phone quite interesting, what photographer would not like a phone with such a large sensor!

I must say though that I am a bit confused about the phone in general. It says it is based on Symbian OS, something I thought was dead. So then I followed a few links and it appears it sure is.

And so the whole thing ends in an enigma. You see I read in one place that they used Symbian OS because it is so much better for app development and apps run faster than on the newer mobile platforms. OK, I'll buy that.

But it seems difficult to me that application developers would be interested in developing image processing software for a platform which is officially dead.

I'm sure some of you phone experts can illuminate me!

Or maybe the next 'big thing' in the smartphone market will be a full frame dos based device :-)

"But it seems difficult to me that application developers would be interested in developing image processing software for a platform which is officially dead."

Why not? I've (as a developer of several free iPhone 3GS / 4 / 4S / iPad 3 video camera enhancer apps in Cydia) already promised the folks I'll develop some tools for the 808 as well, as long as the API does allow for any kind of enhancement: for example, "tapping into" the image stream to allow, for example, for grabbing individual photos while video is recorded etc.

For free, of course - as has been my iOS stuff also free. It's just a decent challenge for me, of which I can also publish an article series like "An iOS developer's adventures into Symbian land" :)

This was already years in development before they decided to switch to Windows Phone so instead of waiting even longer, they chose to showcase their technology on Symbian. Pureview will come to Windows Phone 8 and as a developer of the platform I can say there is a lot of interest in the platform.

The power of directX with this camera sensor is going to be very impressive and desirable platform for developers of all backgrounds. I can't wait to see what Nokia has coming this October.

Too bad most just don't understand stage sound of concerts,......as stated before sound is set up for the audience. yea it is pretty crappy on stage especially in the wings"....... Braun you are presenting your lack of understanding

@ Menseisyys I would, if they were objective, but they are not, the sound of the video, for me, is the least .... indifferent .

Finland is one of the countries UNFORTUNATELY i haven't visited yet, i would consider even living in Finland, specially during the summertime ( right now the temp outside is 40+ Celsius ). So don't tell me about Finnish or not.

So we'll be waiting for dpreview's in depth review to see who's wrong or not .........

@Petrogel"if you want to turn it politically (like your friend virvatulet wanted to talk about English grammar on a previous article that's O.K with me)"

How twisted can your memory be, Petrogel? You were the one who started correcting another writer's (Sir_bazz) grammar in a self-absorbed and incorrect way still, so I just nicely pointed out that you were wrong.

BTW, this idea about grunge towards Finland for being so stringent has crossed my mind also. But remember, we agreed on the conditions and Greece got a financial support plan, now it's up to you to get your economy in balance. Show firm determination to do so and surely the rest of the Europe will stand by you.

Tested 1 unit directly from Nokia. Great screen, IQ and video for a smartphone. This is good for a secondary camera next to your DSLR, even for a journalist. Great for grandparents who don't want to be bothered with too much gadgets but love to get good pictures with grandchildren. US$730 in my country.

Got mine from amazon two days ago.. can't wait to test the audio recording at a concert or a club, they've done a great job with this device overall, great built quality, and its much smaller than it looks on pictures and video.

Very good audio. One of my biggest gripes with point & shoot video is the crappy audio. Most compact cameras compress the sound dynamics to make the softer sounds seem louder and it makes mush of live music. It make bass seem nonexistent. My Canon S95 records stereo, but the compression makes live music recording shameful.

This camera phone did very well. There is bass and DR. The compressed nature of loud rock music may not be the best test, but again, this looks good.

This is a wake-up call to the point and shoot camera makers. A camera phone that trumps most P&S camera photo, video and audio!

You know I have an old Motorola phone I have had for 10 years now. I retired and don't even carry one with me anymore. But this is the first thing I think I will buy that is a phone also. Hummmmm I swore I would never have another phone after 30 years carrying one daily for work. So I am in... :)

Very good quality. although i think the audio has been taken from an external source. As the film guy walks across the stage, the sound character stays roughly the same. At some point the filmer is very close to the drummer, you'd expect much noise from the drum kit but the balance of instruments is unchanged.However the video quality is outstanding.

might the instruments be .. electric? ;) sound on the stage is very different from what the audience hears. The important thing to note about the audio is the dynamic range it records as well as the unheard of decibel levels coming from such a small device. Most cameras will cut out at concerts because they are just too loud.

After my first viceral reaction was censored, I took my time to listen to this recording again.Well, I honestly don't see the news value of this. It is a mediocre video recording with a smartphone of a Foo Fighters tribute band.The video is mediocre, and the sound is awful: just listen to the singer's voice. I own a Zoom H1, costing under 100 euro, and it would do a much better job at recording this. Throw in a 350 euro m4/3 olympus camera, and you'll have much better video. I really don't see the value of this product, unless it is for illegal recording of gigs.

Forget about your quad-core CPU; other manufacturers can replicate that in a matter of months. This is true innovation. How many concert videos have you watched on YouTube and thought: "Argh I wish this had better sound quality!"

whys it dead? its getting supported for at least a few more years... and although the app growth has slowed to a crawl its still growing... dont tell me you dont upgrade your phones within 4 years time

@ PetrogelDo you have any idea how many Symbian based smartphones have been sold worldwide?

Calling something DOA that has historically powered the largest number of smartphones ever and still is powering a considerable amount of them just goes to underline the fact that you are a man on a mission. And a bitter mission that is.

@Petrogel re "The reasons i became so anti- nokian is : Firstly the representation of nokia itself in my country (Greece ) and second the behavior of the symbian O.S on some of the nokia devices i used to own (5730, N79 and the worst of all and recently bought C2-06)"

So you never owned a Symbian^3 nor Symbian Belle+ OS phone but hate this latest phone with Belle? Oh, and C2-06 doesn't even run Symbian OS. (S40 is NOT Symbian and never was) Please try and hate this product for the technically correct reasons if you are able.

Your argument about pixel size is a terrible one and proved that you are not able. Heck, it's even technically irrelevant until you take into account everything else. (I used to have a Canon D30 with 10micron pixels. So it must be better than the current cameras right?)

I'm sure you know but maybe blinded by hatred that a camera isn't all about pixel size. It's also not all about how many frames per second it can do, how high ISO it can go etc. It's about being the right camera for the right person and being available at the right time.

This 808 PureView phone has a never-before-heard-of resolution and physical size sensor usually associated with a mobile phone let alone any compact cameras. It also has the image quality to match that claim and can keep pixel-level detail with more cropping than ANY other compact camera. (heck and even most DSLRs) If you know of a decent compact camera that can beat its crop capability, please let me know as I sure don't know of one.

Also, if we stop even for a moment comparing this phone to any cameras and just compare it to other phones, surely you have to agree that this phone has the BEST and most capable camera of all mobile phones in history.

If you were the head of Nokia Imaging, would you have made low megapixel large sized sensor instead? Say 5MP resolution but keeping its super sized sensor size? If you did, do you think it'll sell much better? What would the consumers say? (I can hear them saying oh, it's only 5MP. My iPhone4s with 8MP is better than that crappy camera.) Other than maybe high ISO capability, what does it bring new or exciting to the table? Just take a look at the Foveon sensored cameras in the Sigma. They are awesome, but nobody really cares. Pixel quality is the last thing most general consumers care about. (or more like, they have no idea)

Anyways, you did say that it's a nice phone (not camera) so not all is lost. =p

I've got a few problems with the 808 that should hopefully be fixed with a firmware update.

1) Cameras viewfinder will black out and only the UI will show, I can still snap pics but can't see (but this hasnt recurred)

2) and sometimes when snapping photos i will get a blank/black jpeg file and the only way to rectify it is to switch shooting modes

3) another is when Bracketing stills you can select either 3 or 5 stills to be taken and a range of exposures to capture when opting for -4.0/+4.0 exposures it only captures 4 stills instead of the selected 5

Foo Fighters... or stacked Actors... Luv this Foo fighters song and this footage is amazing... This is the future if only Nokia would get their stuff together and ditch Symbian... This is what the iPhone should put into their new releases... Nobody could touch them for years. For u android fans... if you buy an android phone in some countries, you are stuck... really have update problems... and if you bought your in a different country from where you are, the shops that sell android will not update you... u can get around this of course... internet... wifi ... right now, iPhone definitely rules! Just like Nokia did just a few short years ago...

With Nokia having completely switched to WP, they don't push (spend money on advertising) the 808 at all. There haven't been a single 808 ad anywhere, not even in the Finnish media - as opposed to the Lumia series.

The 808 is more of a swan song or a tech demo ("use this before we come up with a PV-based WP Lumia") of Nokia.

Owned this phone all but of one day. Sent it back. The pictures are simply astounding for a device this size! However, I hated using this phone! The UI was slow and clumsy. The low screen rez was also disheartening.

I'm completely baffled why Nokia didn't build this phone around Android! The mimic attempt was just unworkable! I guess, just too many cost to consider.

Owned this phone all but of one day. Sent it back. The pictures are simply astounding for a device this size! However, I hated using this phone! The UI was slow and clumsy. The low screen rez was also disheartening.

I'm completely baffled why Nokia didn't build this phone around Android! The mimic attempt was just unworkable! I guess, just too many cost to consider.

This looks like a shill post--the OS is not slow and the screen rez is fine. You are completely baffled why Nokia did not put Pureview on a bloated pig OS like Android? How about speed and battery life?

The screen rez is crappy compared to the standard of phones in this cost range. Sorry if those facts confuse you. That cheesy Android like knockoff they had running on this phone was clumsy and slow!! I owned the phone! Have you? I'm sure you haven't. Go troll somewhere else.

Screen rez is just only one factor--how about color saturation and readability in bright sun? The Nokia 808's screen looks much nicer because the colors are not washed out and faded. And yes I own one see my posts in forums.

Face it, all other camphone fail due to low quality pics--THE most important feature of a camphone.

...but stills do, and the 808 does utilize them in both the native and the upsampled stills mode (check out the GSMArena reviews). And, when properly utilized (read: all pixels downsampled without line skipping), 1080p video coming off such a sensor can be highly detailed (making almost full use of the 1080p target resolution) and noise-free. Too bad most current consumer/prosumer digital cameras (except for a very few: GH2, Canon 5D MK II) don't do this, resulting in ugly, aliased and/or noisy and/or poorly detailed (seen how Nikon's P&S cameras behave in this respect? they're awful and hardly deliver better true resolution than 720p when recording 1080p footage...) video.

Most buyers nowadays are female buyers and they don't think, they feel! They would say: "I feel this phone ain't quite matching enough of my bags, shoes, and blouses, so I am not buying it! ;) Who cares about the 40 mp? I don't need ... speed (besdie, isn't it mph?) , I need a phone that people love ... me!" ;)

Most women imo buy cheaper phones than men. They still prefer to use it as a phone and don't get so hung up by the latest feature. Thinking about women. I think a high resolution front camera would rule their world.

This isn't always true. There are more women iPhone users than men - as opposed to all other smartphone OS'es, particularly the "geeky" Android. There was a quite interesing article on exactly this subject about two months ago; I can look it up if you want to read more on it.

Wow, so Nokia releases a phone that has video as good as a DSLR, is cheaper than an iPhone 4s and people complain about it. No wonder Nokia has gone so far down hill, people these days want to buy marketing catch-phrases and hype-devices.

You are right. One has to wonder what goes in ppls heads. Sure apps are nice, and the belle built in browser is still crap(opera much better). But are these time wasters(apps) realy better than a nicely made device? Better than quality sound, great looking screen, while not the highest resolution, it's still very smooth and great contrast. And now even a state of the art camera and mic? Imho, apps and even the ecco system are way overrated. Except if you are married to the phone.

That's because Apple's products are based on more than just technical specs. They have earned their "hype" by, you know, INNOVATING while companies like Nokia were pumping out plasticky crud phones. Anyone remember what phones were like before iPhone? Or does your traumatic memory block it out?

Not to downplay the interesting features of this device. I'm impressed with Nokia's innovative design for the camera. Maybe they should make cameras. I would buy this if it didn't have a craptastic phone OS cobbled onto it.

The iphone wasn't realy a phone but a hand held device that was already been worked on in the form of an ipod. The iphone needed only the communication module to become an ipod that can make phone calls. It's not nokia's fault that the gap between hand held devices and phones has been bridged by the darling of silicon valey under the protectionism of the us government and it's tech as entertainment industries before itself. Nokia was big but still small compared to the it sector of north america. Also, nokia was betrayed by boycott breakers from asia who saw their chance to get a share instead of nokia.

So what? In my country it is priced around 550 €. For that price I can get a decent stills cam with optical stabilisation and good video capabilities with stereo mic AND a smartphone. Nothing to rave about this video sample, it´s shaky as hell and sound isn´t good, it´s pretty muffled and 128kbps is also nothing special, listen to the drum sound, due to the low bitrate it sounds too clanking for my taste. There are some pocket camcorders with better video and sound for sale.Smartphones are just toys without real value of use, photos and videos aren´t good, surfing the web is uncomfortable, the small screen gives you the experience of mouse cinema when viewing photos and videos and with heavy usage the battery will quickly run out of power.And phoning and writing SMS, I can do this with my 20 € cellphone as well...

The sound is muffled since the recorder/phone was on the stage. The sound at a live concert is not engineered to flood the stage, but to project into the audience. This has nothing to do with "low bit rate" and "sound isn't good". Additional comments about sound quality are likewise affected by the fact that the phone recorded the direct output from the instruments (drums, vocals) as well as whatever mix reached it a few milliseconds later.

Overall this was a really good performance for a tiny pocketable thing that also makes phone calls and uploads everything you do onto your favourite "cloud".

Wow. An anti all smartphone rant in this day and age? I've lost track of the times my iphone has "saved the day" with the integrated gps/maps and web browser. Then throw in the entertainment value with games, the ability to take and send pictures with folks thousands of miles away... it's one of the truelly neat inventions of the last few years.

And regarding cost, in the US this symbian dinosaur is about the same as the iphone, and with that camera, I'd wager worth every penny.

Well, the idea is that you have 1 item to carry that can be a decent phone and a decent camera. If you want to carry (recharge) a phone AND a camera every time you step out, okay, then buy your 1 phone and your 1 camera and your 1 camcorder! :)

Exactly...I am in constant awe as to why people seem to be OK with a "mouse screen" (as you so aptly put it...) for visual media.

I can understand the concept of "saving the day", as another poster included in his reply but, when the likes of Apple and Nokia start selling phones speced as apt, photo, video and web content displays for continued viewing, and we gladly follow their marketing lead, I start to really doubt our collective discerning capabilities.

@Rage Joe Of course and thre is but not for 690 euros (that this crap is sold in my country ) for 300 even i would buy it (not with symbian ) and there is no comparison with photo cameras, these at least have a lens

Are they your videos? You could consider burning in the comments in the video stream. At first, I watched it on my iPad 3 where CC isn't displayed and I didn't really get the point in the video. It was only later that I've, mostly by mistake, re-visited the page on a desktop to see there indeed was CC-based narration....

There is nothing to be taken seriously, Canon and Nikon already stopped the "meaningless" megapixel count (race). Canon's G11 and G12 have 10 megapixel compared to G10 that had 14 mp . They all care the quality of the information a pixel can carry !!!!

The size of the sensor is 1/1,2 of an inch (10.8mm x 7.5mm)(81sqmm)compare to nikon's 1 (13,2mm x 8,8mm)(116sqmm), compare to canon's G1X (18,7mm x 14mm)(261,8sqmm). Canon G12 has a smaller sensor (7,6mm x 5,7mm)(43sqmm) in canon laboratories the did exactly the opposite nokia did, they reduced the number of the megapixel G11 and G12 had compared to the G10(from 14,7mp to 10mp) just to get better per pixel quality.Nokia's 808 sensor is based on a 1,4 microns pixel size sensor (smaller the size of the pixel less the information carried ), nokia in order to have a better quality on photos reinvents the oversampling (that's already exists in many of the photo cameras when you down-grade the number of the pixels or in photoshop when you are viewing a photo than less than 100% of it's size ) which is gathering information from more than 1 pixel.

i'm sure they did and i'm sure they're great cameras, but have you also seen the picture quality coming out of the pureview, it's ability in low light compared to other cameras in it's class?

That is why it more than justifies an in depth look from DPR and other photo websites. This camera isn't about re-igniting the megapixel race, it's about bringing in great ideas into a fantastic piece of imaging technology that will be here to stay in many different forms.

(although i suspect it may well re-ignite the megapixell race as i'm pretty sure someone will spring the 81mp camera on us that samples down to 16mp and so on)

Oh really? Given that EVERY SINGLE comparative review published so far have shown that this thing produces excellent shots and is, low-light performance-wise, decidedly better than _any_ pre-2012 1/1.7" enthusiast cameras out there (see the Pana LX5 comparative tests), I REALLY doubt you "know, more than I can imagine"...

@Petrogel have you looked at the photos that people are taking with this camera?

you also note that Nokia created something that's existed in "many" cameras (not many not by far)

But you forget that Nokia started developing this camera back in 2007... but the first camera to offer pixel binning wasn't shipping until the end of 2008 (the Phase One 65+) so you really should be giving Nokia credit here for what they've created

@ familyogre To sell a crappy O.S called symbian. Now when they'll sell enough (if they'll reach the target - as marketers say- ) they'll find out that this phone can work perfectly with an O.S called windows 8 but this time they won't bark for the count of megapixels but for the size of the sensor.

From a part time sound engineer's perspective (sound man lol), Drums are rediculously loud, which is why often in non-concert settings they'll be in a drum cage, ideally in a fully sealed off room and mic'd. The problem is when you have so much "ambient" noise, the vocalists and insturmentalists can't hear themselves in their floor monitors without having to be cranked so high that it's 1) dangerous for their ears, but also 2) feedback is a problem as the mic's start to pick up the audio.

It's incredible that the mic in the phone can even cope with the decibels that the drums are putting out in the first place. Complaining that the vocals are missing or quiet is just the nature of things.

We're photographers, it's like dynamic range. If you "expose" for the highlights (drums), but your subject is in the shadows, they're hard to see (hear), however, hearing them at all, is impressive.

video quality was pretty good, but the cmos is making a mess of the strobes.

Just one comment (as a music fan, not photographer):This band plays a Foo Fighers song ("Hero"), but is not the Foo Fighters themselves.Looking at the sign behind them, I would think they are a tribute band under the name 'Stacked Actors' (another FF song).Roel

Actually, video IQ is not the 808s strength, it is rather average there. It s strength ist still image photography (easily comparable to enthusiast/prosumer compact cameras) and sound recording. There is nothing comparable out there in that regard, a quantum leap as the N8 has been. Still today, the N8 remains one of the best camera phones, topped only by the 808.

"Actually, video IQ is not the 808s strength, it is rather average there. "

Do you know of a decent for example resolution test of the 808? I want my next camera to shoot truly 1080p videos as, currently, it's only my iPhone 4S and iPad 3 that are capable of delivering very high-quality 1080p footage (but with mono sound and very narrow FoV, making them almost useless in most situations). Any, say, ISO 12233 Test Chart ( http://www.graphics.cornell.edu/~westin/misc/res-chart.html ) shots?

I second GRAFLI: Why on earth didn't they put Windows 7.8 or even Windows 8 or Android on this phone? Whatever the stupid reason - probably political infighting in the company - I hope they put the same camera or better into the Lumina 950/1000 with dual core processor and Windows 8.

PureView has a special purpose chip processing all photo/video from the camera. They have written lots of code on C/C++ to support it. Windows Phone 7 requires applications to be written in C#. Why bother to rewrite this software if Windows Phone 8 supports native applications? I guess they'll port it to WP8 and we will see Lumia PureView before the end of the year (next year?). Just some thoughts :)

point and shoots are officially useless....companies better start putting in significant things like bigger sensors and better lenses, and stop trying to hang on with more scene modes and filters (that they do worse than phone/app companies anyway)