Tuesday, January 12, 2010

I see Harold Ford has been taking political advise from Harry. Yes Harold you are light, and you happen to be articulate, but that sure as hell doesn't mean that you should go all carpetbagger on us and run for political office in....gasp, NEW YORK!? Harold, aren't you from Tennessee? What the hell are you doing running for a senate seat in Zoo Yawk? Oh field, stop it, the man has been working in New York since 2006 on Wall Street, why can't he run for office in the state in which he lives and works? OK, but I hope you Obamaholics know that he is doing it in spite of his O ness and all his people begging him not to. They have their candidate already, they don't need Harold upsetting the apple cart.

And, I have a true confession: I happen to think Harold Ford is a fraud. He has no ideological backbone, and he is one of these people in public office that you just know will carry on with the same old same old in Washington. There is no there there with Harold. And I am not the only one who feels this way. Harold and his centrist politics will not help black folks or poor people here in A-merry-ca. Harold in Washington will be just more of the same. We have sung and danced to this song before. Harold is just another beltway Negro who will be playing the same old tune.

"Ford, a centrist Democrat who had been known as conservative-leaning on many issues, sought to use the New York Post piece to defend what some have called recent flip flops designed to please a more liberal New York voters, including abortion rights and gay marriage."

Yes, but he is light skinned and articulate, doesn't that count for something?

On a serious note, let's not forget about our brothers and sisters in Haiti.

(Those of you who are so inclined, can you call God and ask him why he chose to drop a 7.0 magnitude earthquake on one of the poorest countries on earth?) They are going through it right now. I hope you will all forgo some of your daily luxuries and send them a little something.

I don't see why Harold couldn't or wouldn't succeed in NY. Light skin? Check. Doesn't speak the Negro dialect? Check. Democrat? Check. Plus a bonus of light eyes, & a white wife? He's a shoe in! No, on a serious note, it doesn't matter; when these Negroes, or half Negroes get in they only mantain the status quo. None of them have the balls or power to change the system. They only care about adding to their own creditials.

And I've already donated what I possibly could at the time to Wyclef Jean's Yéle Haiti. And anyone can text 501501 and $5 will be donated and the charge will be added to your cell phone bill.

Haiti is all I can think about right now. It sounds like it is really, really bad. Nina... I am with you. Also, International Red Cross is taking donations for Haiti... they have had workers on the ground there for years.....

Hey Field I am keeping up with the Haitian crisis, it is heartbreaking. I have Haitian freinds who still have family and friends in the country.

I hope that folks send contributions, Oxfam is a good one and Wyclef Jean is setting up a site as well.And prayers as simple as it may sound are needed as well.

Brother Field this can't be blamed on God. He set the earth and geology in motion and like agape said,-- I believe he is right --the island came about as a result of earthquakes thousands of years ago. Humans chose to settle this island not God. From my humble understanding or perspective on God, He (some prefer She) is a just God that has a preference for those who are like the majority of Haitians, poor and the oppressed again like the island of Haiti, which has been oppressed for years by its neighbors.

Whenever Haiti has tried to govern itself and advance itself materially the US and European (i.e. France)imperialists have stepped in and hindered the efforts, either through direct intervention or more recently the UN with its fake impartial force.

I think it was Frederick Douglass who said that the White world would never forgive Haiti from breaking free from European oppression/colonialism, referring to its mighty victory over France and slavery becoming the first free Black republic in the Western Hemisphere.

NO my brother Haiti's problems have been primarily man made internal and external. Let's hope that one day we create a world that does not feel the need to exploit fellow human beings and we don't have this obvious eye sore of developing and underdeveloping world. I'm with Jody and the Social Forum, "Another world is possible." And trust me my brother God will be right in the middle of that liberating work.

"Donations to the International Response Fund can be sent to the American Red Cross, P.O. Box 37243, Washington, D.C. 20013 or made by phone at 1-800-REDCROSS or 1-800-257-7575 (Spanish) or online at www.redcross.org."

Field, if we all believed it took was to be light skinned and articulate then why did Harold lose in his home state?

Harry Reid was wrong for what he said. People keep writing off Obama running the best campaign of 2008. By saying crap like he won because he was Black, not Bush, bad economy etc... If in fact it took all those things to be President we would have had President Jesse Jackson a long time ago. Truth is and will always be Obama simply ran the best campaign against a weak field of Republicans.

"NO my brother Haiti's problems have been primarily man made internal and external. Let's hope that one day we create a world that does not feel the need to exploit fellow human beings and we don't have this obvious eye sore of developing and underdeveloping world. I'm with Jody and the Social Forum, "Another world is possible." And trust me my brother God will be right in the middle of that liberating work."

I have a true confession: I happen to think Harold Ford is a fraud. He has no ideological backbone, and he is one of these people in public office that you just know will carry on with the same old same old in Washington. There is no there there with Harold.

That's interesting. I gave Ford $500 when he ran in Tennessee because I hoped a Democrat would have a chance there.

But since then, I've gotten a funny feeling about the guy. I really can't put my finger on it. He seems too slick and ambitious, a black version of Mitt Romney.

I haven't made up my mind about him, though. The bid in New York seems fishy to me. I don't think he has the stature to do it.

Why should Harold Ford be any different than any other politician?He is running in NY because the law allows it. Politicians change their home state and address where they feel they have the best chance at winning...Ford is no different...why single him out when white politicians have set the standard...(and the law).

MHO - Ford is a slickster...but it's hard for a black to politic in Tennessee...remeber Obama did not take Tennessee...nuff said.

I don't see this guy cutting it in New York. He's not Bobby Kennedy or Hillary Clinton. New York felt honored to be carpet-bagged by those two. He needs the support of Rangel, Dinkins, Sharpton & about 1000 more locally powerful NY African-American politicians from Buffalo to Long Island who are not in need of a Black "leader" from Tennessee via Wall Street.

Brother Field...I wonder why do the people even vote for pols that just "drop in" for the political opportunity. I thought you should represent the people. In order to do that I quess it would be nice to have at least lived there and experiance the plight of those represented. Buttt, we have elected Bro. Bobby Scott for soo many years. The only "touch"- I see him having with us- is an annual bar-b-que, whereby he invite all his white buddies to see the field hands on his private plantation. Yes, the master gave this guy a plantation by the gerrymandering of ALL- yes ALL- the population of Blacks damn near from Richmond to Norfolk. He runs unopposed each election. Quess we love him because of his looks. I only pray that the population will start electing men and women that TRULY have their interest in mind. But, I quess some elected people get polluted once they see/feel the power that these positions offers on the personal level. PS. I know Rep.Scott is on some good committees but the ares he represents have the most negatives- (schools, employement and crime)-. You would think he could get something right after so many years

Brother Field and All... is there an address to send money and clothes to Haiti? I KNOW I can find it on the "net" But I can say- my mind can't stay focus during my surfing/looking up things. One plus or minus with idle time. Yes, I am in pause for a moment in this life's race. AGAIN PS... Haiti only comes up when there is a tradgedyor other negative. Shame on us Blacks for being so neglectful of people that look like us. Me included.

Dark Sith Ford making waves about running was enough for Skeptical Brotha to come out of retirement. he's already done 2 new posts on Ford.

He's a snakeoil salesman. I hate to say it, but MITT ROMNEY is more genuine than Harold Ford, and considering I believe Romney is a piece of insincere plastic, that should tell you what I think of Ford.

Field, the answer is there is no God, thats why 2 year olds get Leukemia and Ted Kennedy lives to his 80's...And if there IS a God, he doesn't love you, doesn't like you, in all probability, he hates you. That sucks about Haiti, I was turned onto "StarTrek TNG" by a butcher by the name of "Jean Luc"...

With only three blacks to have held a senate seat since reconstruction. I'm disappointed at all the shit talk surrounding Ford's potential run. Youse Negroes all talk about freedom, justice, and equality but are talking big shit about a black man making an attempt to become a LAWMAKER?

Hello Negroes????

I've heard even the most absurd reason as to why he won't win being the fact that he's married to a white woman. This is foolish and probably why we're stuck on stupid.

Look, I live in Memphis, and I have supported the guy here. I'm also a NYC transplant and I realize that he may be "not liberal enough" for New York. But the fact remains that the idea of his potential run wasn't his own doing. In other words:

THE NEGRO HAS HUGE FINANCIAL BACKING FROM VERY INFLUENTIAL DEMOCRATIC FUNDRAISERS IN NEW YORK!THE VERY PEOPLE WHO ARE URGING HIM TO RUN!!!

FYI: A fifth of the $15 million he raised for his senate run here in TN. back in 2006 came from New York.

The bottom line here is money folks. And with that, I see him being successful should he decide to run for that seat. If Hillary Clinton and Bobby Kennedy can run to NY to win senate seats as they did, why can't Harold? He has raised a lot of money for the party and specifically for Obama's campaign.

The fact that he will not receive the White House's blessings speaks volumes as to the bitchassness of Obama. Didn't Obama tell Patterson to sit his black ass down too?

@RippaWe should have learned by now that our liberation will not come from black politicians. In fact the more we integrate the more we take on the agendas of the majority (who don't care about their own people either). And married to a white woman? Case closed, end of story.

Which ties in to the Haiti story as it was another light skinned politician by the name of Colin Powell who helped the US kidnap Jean-Bertrand Aristide. Yes, the US ran off with their democratically elected leader and left the people in the hands of thugs, literally eating dirt.

A white devil with dark skin is just a white devil (with dark skin). A pox on all of them.

You know none of these people blaming whitey and talking about 'white devils', etc are going to give a dime to help haitians.

Same thing after Katrina, all the people talking about 'white devils' and blaming whitey were the same people sitting on their ass not doing a damn thing to help anyone. Meanwhile, so many of the people they were blaming were sending money, going down in groups to help rebuild. etc.

Why would one think God is involved in this catastrophe? Or, is it simply a facetious statement and I missed the irony? Haiti is a complex spate of historical, political and financial abandonment that demands a larger discussion. The quake is the flashpoint...God was no more involved in this than He was in the Alabama win over Texas in the BCS game (people in both states claim divine intervention...)

(Ecclesiastes 9:11) 11 I returned to see under the sun that the swift do not have the race, nor the mighty ones the battle, nor do the wise also have the food, nor do the understanding ones also have the riches, nor do even those having knowledge have the favor; because time and unforeseen occurrence befall them all. . .

In the Bible, whenever God caused a catastrophe to execute the wicked, a warning was given, so there was no question that God brought the destruction as he forewarned. But there's no scriptural authority for believing that disasters in general are calamities God brings upon people to punish them for their sins.

When Haiti decides to pull up their breeches and become a non-dictatorship, corruption as a way of life, one disaster after another waiting to happen, people sitting on their asses and not doing shit about it - country, maybe I'll spare them what little sympathy I have, and help them rebuild their slums.

[quote]The major black NY pols like Rangel, Greg Meek and Byron Brown (Mayor of Buffalo) won't support him and view him as a carpetbagger and an opportunist.[/quote]

Steve:

How many of these same Negroes say that NO BLACKS IN THE US SENATE is "taxation without representation for the Negro"?

If Ford makes it past the "Black General Election" (the Democratic Party Primary) and IS the Democratic choice in the General Election - HE WILL get 97% of the Black vote REGARDLESS of how little he might know about New York OR how WHITE his wife is.

[quote]On top of that, Gov. David Patterson's low apporval pols will make it difficult for any black running for statewide office in NY right now.[/quote]

STRAIGHT UP IGNORANCE.You see Steve you never talk about the TWIN BROTHER of this line of thinking.

Where as you and others who believe this will thus DEFEND ALL BLACK ELECTED OFFICIALS in order to save face - YOU ALSO produce a VOTER NULLIFICATION situation where regardless of how bad the state of the institutions which this person has been elected to govern HE CAN LOOK TO YOU FOR SUPPORT.

Ironically YOU are the RACIAL BIGOT in your own actions.

[quote]That "black tax" thing again.When one of us fails, it affects all of us.[/quote]

Yeah, white Americans love to rebuild shit after they've torn it up. They love to crow about their vaunted science, economic systems, religion and culture. They have their bases all over the world and warships off the coast of every rival. They love to remind us of how they're the only superpower, previously one of two. They take pride in pointing out how they won the cold war (by using the third world as pawns) and willfully accept the spoils of European colonialism. The death toll from their most recent imperial adventures number in the millions.

Yet, as the inheritors of 500 years of pillage, and instigators of the next 500, nothing is their fault. The coups and death squads have no effect, the trade agreements cause no harm, the billions in conventional and chemical weaponry sent to their thug friends in the middle east and south America are meaningless. The global warming crisis isn't going to disproportionately effect the third world, and the lucrative prison industrial complex is not tearing up our already fragile families.

White Americans are masters of patting themselves on the back and taking no responsibility for the harm they cause. They love to grab up children from one of impoverished countries that they're exploiting and acting like they're the most charitable nation in the world (they actually rank near the bottom)

Yes there is plenty of blame to go around but even a cursory glance at history shows that anytime black and brown folks DO try to get it together, the cops or the military or some mob show up to tear it up and send us back to square one.

Today we see Black Progressives HATING ON FORD at the thought of his becoming Senator from New York (just as Clinton and Kennedy did).

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CF, HCR worked her tail off to be accepted in NY by running around the state to get to "know" the people. Also, it didn't hurt that her husband is Billy. And Kennedy - no need to explain. Initially, I liked Harold when he was running in Tennessee then I started reading up on his positions, votes, etc. Now I just think he is somewhat of an opportunist. But hey if he makes it good for him, if he doesn't good for him as he will still have a job on Wall St. I'm sure.

Deluded loon Aleesha, you'd better get some new hypertension meds - you're gonna need somethin' really powerful in the months ahead. There is a cultural resurgence in Uganda, and the Church of Nigeria will soon be here.

Deluded loon Aleesha claims to be a mighty 'warrior' because she goes online and calls people as 'assnon'. God will judge her for her deviancy. But visitors to this website will judge all here by the way a loon runs free. Cuckoos Nest. You see what permissiveness leads to. Not to fear, soon morality will be restored to society. I will instruct you more tomorrow, loonbag. Unlike you I have a real j-o-b, not made up ones. May God have mercy on you.

I don't know much about politics but it seems to me that Harry Ford is the quintessential politician. He's got it all! He'll prolly be the next Dem candidate for POTUS. I think the Dems need/are looking for a serious charmer to go up against John Thune who seems to be shaping up as the next GOP candidate.

I think there's a consensus among Black people of every hue and skin color that Harry Ford needs to "butt out" of the NY US Senate race. If he ran against the white woman who now holds the seat, I think a lot of Black people would vote for the white woman,if only to show Harry Ford that he has disrespected our wishes and better judgment.

If I had to choose, I'd vote for the liberal white woman, Hillibrand, because she's been a lot more liberal than Tennessee Harry Ford has. I don't even know if Tennessee Harry Ford would be a reliable vote for President Obama's programs.

We desperately need more Blacks in the US Senate. But we DON'T need Tennessee Harry Ford to run from New York as part of that project. He should run from Connecticut or Iowa or Indiana (?)--a state that's never elected a Black person or a woman to the US Senate and a state that's as conservative as Harry Ford's Congressional record was.

In the Bible, whenever God caused a catastrophe to execute the wicked, a warning was given, so there was no question that God brought the destruction as he forewarned. But there's no scriptural authority for believing that disasters in general are calamities God brings upon people to punish them for their sins.

You mean to tell me God's not punishing Oklahoma and Texas with all those tornadoes? Damn.

Rippa said......... With only three blacks to have held a senate seat since reconstruction. I'm disappointed at all the shit talk surrounding Ford's potential run. Youse Negroes all talk about freedom, justice, and equality but are talking big shit about a black man making an attempt to become a LAWMAKER? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I'm in agreement with your ENTIRE post.

But then again, us light-skinned negroes have to stick together, right?? (roll eyes)

Personally I never felt that Harold Ford had any substance or purpose. He's a complete cypher, he's in politics because he doesn't know how to do anything else. But as others mentioned, he's a Wall Street boy and he's riding on his father's good name.

But if New Yorkers are silly enough to vote for such an obvious carpetbagger as Hillary Clinton or throw a decent moderate Republican for a Tea Party nut, this empty suit has a decent shot.

The NY Senate race is a crap shoot, at best. The state GOP is ripped asunder by the Teabaggers and their antics. And the state Dems are all ducking for cover after the HNIC, David Patterson, has screwed up royally.

(Those of you who are so inclined, can you call God and ask him why he chose to drop a 7.0 magnitude earthquake on one of the poorest countries on earth?) They are going through it right now. I hope you will all forgo some of your daily luxuries and send them a little something.

Or if you'd rather not take the easy way out and blame God..call your local congressman and ask why the first black republic has been turned a blind eye by corporate Amerrykkka to the evident rising poverty levels and crappy failed infrastructure in Haiti...(in which if they had been in better conditions could have reduced the number of casualties..)

Actually, my running team is doing the same thing for our brothers and sisters in Haiti this weekend -- donating our old running shoes. Sounds gross, but marathoners go through kicks at a rate of 4 pairs of year minimum.

@AB - maybe, but I never was a fan of Hillary. But we agree, Harold Ford is a phony and really bad at it.

For those thinking that 'God is punish Haitians' should read about the Tower of Siloam in the New Testament (Luke 13). The Pharisees asked Jesus if His Father was punishing the inhabitants or if he would stop massacre by Pilate. Jesus' response could be paraphrase as 'Life is tough and we're all equally screwed up. Bad things don't happen just because you're 'evil'. Your only job is to get your own spiritual house in order.'

So in short, the Haitians may not anything particularly evil to 'deserve' the earthquake. And even if they did, its not ours to debate. Our job is only to help our fellow man in need and repent of our own wrong doing.

Before I read all the comments, I just want to ask this question, who is the bigger fraud, Ford, or Gillibrand? Now I will go back up, read the rest of the links, and then read the comments, damn, I missed this place for the last few days.

After reading a few more comments, it also occurred to me, the district that he will be running in won't have anything to do with Rangel or Sharpton, isn't the seat upstate Republican country where a democrat just won? The NYC vote won't matter, and even if it did, NYC still voted for Bloomberg.

LaCoincidental"But if New Yorkers are silly enough to vote for such an obvious carpetbagger as Hillary Clinton or throw a decent moderate Republican for a Tea Party nut, this empty suit has a decent shot."

____________That is so true! Beside all that, Governor Patterson is still very popular in NYC, it's the rest of the state where he doesn't seem to be that favored. I notice the police went after his kid for playing craps, though.

Finally, look like President Obama is trying to show some leadership with the catastrope in Haiti. I bet the Rethugs that were in an uproar about Harry Reid remarks are closely watching Obama to see how far this Negroe plan on going with this U.S. aid.

All you believers, Pat Robertson's got the answer for why "God" picked on Haiti:

Update | 2:27 p.m. In an extraordinary statement during a broadcast on Pat Robertson’s Christian Broadcast Network on Wednesday, the American televangelist claimed that the reason for Haiti’s misfortunes was that the nation “swore a pact to the devil” two centuries ago.

Video of the entire segment during which Mr. Robertson attempted to explain Tuesday’s earthquake and other misfortunes that have struck Haiti is available on the Christian Broadcast Network’s Web site. Media Matters for America made this part of the video available on YouTube:

Media Matters also published this partial transcript of Mr. Robertson’s remarks on its Web site:

[S]omething happened a long time ago in Haiti, and people might not want to talk about it. They were under the heal of the French. You know, Napoleon the third, or whatever. And they got together and swore a pact to the devil. They said, we will serve you if you will get us free from the French. True story. And so, the devil said, okay it’s a deal.

And they kicked the French out. You know, the Haitians revolted and got themselves free. But ever since they have been cursed by one thing after the other. Desperately poor. That island of Hispaniola is one island. It is cut down the middle on the one side is Haiti the other is the Dominican Republic. Dominican Republic is prosperous, healthy, full of resorts, etc. Haiti is in desperate poverty. Same island. They need to have and we meed to pray for them a great turning to god and out of this tragedy I’m optimistic something good may come.

Two days after the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, 2001, Mr. Robertson said, “I totally concur,” when a guest on his program, the Rev. Jerry Falwell, said that Americans in favor of abortion, homosexuality and the separation of church and state had “helped” the attacks to happen by angering god.

Yeah, it's sad. But, God's will is God's will. It's not man's will. Also God does not bring on us more than we can handle. So I don't get this God Bless them in Haiti stuff, when this was something God allowed to happen.

link to the Whitehouse on Haiti,http://www.whitehouse.gov/HaitiEarthquake

I am interested to see how the US government responds to this horrible loss of life, and I hope we step up to the plate and give us much as we can to help out. I don't really believe God micro-manages the environment, but I do think that God can help us accept things that are too horrible to imagine. I pray for all the people there who are suffering or lost or hungry or scared.

As a health profesional I feel so impotent when I see the people laying there with open wounds and not enough medical help, how easy it would be to have a cadre of (perhaps unemployed) health professionals that the government could immediately ship over to help out. To administer IV fluids, antibiotics, pain meds, clean wounds etc. I know there are many here in Puerto Rico qualified nurses, therapists et al,. on job waiting lists who could help so much over there. God have mercy!

Hey brother Field glad you took my comments in the spirit it was intended. I understand where you're coming from. I guess I have more faith in a "just" God.

Speaking of, I have no idea what god Pat Robertson and his ilk are talking about. They have no shame. That's the problem with assuming God punishes folks with natural disasters or anything else. If anyone is going to get it,-- so to speak --it will be those who oppress the poor and the oppressed. The Bible is clear on this for those who want to see it. However for those who want to continue white supremacy and US cultural and political hegemony they refuse to see it because it doesn't support their idea of themselves. And this they will never admit. Ironically, the very characters whom they say they admire so much look like Black folks, but then many of them solved that problem with a paint brush.

Like someone else said, the Haiti situation calls for another blog post discussion. Are you up for it brother Field? We need to talk about what really happened to Haiti and if no other reason so we can collectively cuss out that pig Robertson. I told you that US and French imperialism are still pissed at Haiti for freeing themselves.

To all, after watching Ol Pat, Why didn't home girl standing next to him smack the living shit out of him and walk off stage. No, she just let some crusty old redneck claim that several thousand Black people died because God was pissed off that they kicked out the French?!Talk about being in the house! She makes Condi look like field negro!!

the only thing sick about gays is how sick bastards like you cannot stop sickly judging/slandering us and sickly policing our bedrooms

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Hey, I really don't dive a damn what you do, or where you stick it or lick it.

It's the faggots that keep trying to shove their "lifestyle" down mine & my kids's throats that I resent. I made the big mistake of going to New Orleans the same weekend that they had that perverted Southern Decadence thing going on. Some sick muthas, let me tell you. Couldn't even take the kids down to the River, ride the trolley cars, or go to the French Market.

FIELD NEGRO you need to go to GOD for yourself, it's about time for you to show some respect for GOD, but you won't, so you chose to treat him as if he is your equal!

Now, it is by the GRACE of GOD, that we are NOT all consumed by the WRATH of GOD, if it were not for the people of GOD, I am referring to the TRUE CHRISTIAN, this entire world would look like a third world country! and trust me, we are getting their fast, so where is your Petition to GOD FIELD NEGRO? do you have one? when was the last time, you got down on your knee's and begged GOD for MERCY, for the SIN'S of this world!

Harold Ford is from the same STATE I am from, when I was growing up, those high yellow NAPPY head BLACK people were alway's doing something for the black community, they were all over the place, you could tell a FORD a mile away, I don't know what is going on now, but, they stood side by side with black's of all Hue's, and the FORD'S were never ever known to be Funny acting! as a matter of fact, it was the LIGHT SKINNED BLACK'S in the state I am from, that was running around trying to make sure our people, were treated fair by the white man!

I don't know where this mess is coming from about (WHITE'S giving LIGHTER skinned BLACK'S a break) is the MEDIA giving the PRESIDENT a break? it is our own people that will chose a lighter skinned BLACK over a DARK SKIN BLACK in a HEART BEAT! now, tell me I am not telling the truth?

Btw: Here is a non-politically correct fact for you: Colonized countries were generally poor and lacking prior to being colonized, which is exactly why they were able to be controlled in the first place. Only difference is they didn't know they were poor until they came in contact with people who weren't.

"They love to grab up children from one of impoverished countries that they're exploiting and acting like they're the most charitable nation in the world (they actually rank near the bottom)"

Bottom of what list? You cannot provide one because there isn't a one.

The U.S. citizens give more aid each year than any nation in the world by a significant margin. Now, if you talk about percentage of gross income that is given the U.S. is still ranked in the top 25 out of the 190+ nations in the world.

ANONI Couldn't even take the kids down to the River, ride the trolley cars, or go to the French Market.

I totally feel the same way!!!

I avoid Chicago, New York, and Philly for the same reasons. Don't want my kids anywhere near black folks, you know, shoving their lifestyle (rap music, baggy jeans) down our throats. Oh, wait a minute, were you talking about black folks?

Anon@5:40 - No one's blaming the 'whitey' for a Hurricane. We're blaming the apathetic government at all levels, for the avoidable aftermath. Cuba does a better job dealing hurricanes.

And as for Haiti, 'whitey' didn't cause earthquakes, of course. But 'Whitey' has had 'his' hand in Haitian politics since the French got their asses handed to them by a bunch of semi-literate slaves in the 18th century. By doing everything to ensure that Haiti remained a permanent ghetto, Europe all but ensure that any natural disaster could wipe nation out.

@AB - No surprise on the link. Guys and gals like Harold Ford were a dime a dozen where I went to college, wealthy smooth talking yuppies with little to no talents of their own, living off their boomer parents' clout and achievement. Color has little to do with it, Ivy Leagues and 'Baby Ivies' are notorious for nepotism to this day. But, when the person is of color, its even more glaring and embarrassing.

It's Official. Pat Roberton is an idiot. To say that Haiti is suffering because "they made a deal with the devil when they fought for their liberation" is the hight of idiocy. News flash Pat.... God is in the face of every Haitian. God is calling all of us to see her in their faces and to act to relieve their suffering.... You Pat, wouldn't know God if she came up and kicked you in the ass... which, by the way she has!

Anonymous your comment on how and why people were colonized is not politically incorrect, it is incorrect pure and simple and it defies common sense. Its really too bad that folks like you just get to spout pure garbage on these blogs without ever picking up a book or two and informing themselves on a subject.

The colonizers went after the so-called natives because of their natural resources. And of course they sometimes exploited their human resources as well. And more often than not they were able to overcome the native populations because of their superior weapons and it didn't help that most of these peoples were a bit naive and didn't realize just how evil the visitors were. This had nothing to do with their poverty nor were they inately or humanly inferior.

You are right about US citizens being benevolent, but the US government ranks closer to the bottom than the top according to UN reports on charitable giving by developed countries. You can look it up.

I understand your frustration however when some folks insist on blaming individual white folks for problems that were created by the US government and ruling class. Most of us know that working class --and poor white folks especially.-- catch hell from this class of theives as well.

And as for Haiti, 'whitey' didn't cause earthquakes, of course. But 'Whitey' has had 'his' hand in Haitian politics since the French got their asses handed to them by a bunch of semi-literate slaves in the 18th century. By doing everything to ensure that Haiti remained a permanent ghetto, Europe all but ensure that any natural disaster could wipe nation out.

Yeah, it's all whitey's fault. The Haitians themsevles are responsible for nothing. (yawn.)

You know, all them Christians talking about everything that happens is God's will...so that makes God a murderer I guess. How can all you freaks worship a murderer?

No, that makes God -- God. Assuming that an omnipotent deity existed, by the nature of the being, we can't hold him to the same standards as a human being.

In the Book of Job, Job watched all his children die and his dream home burn to the ground. His response, "The Lord Gives, and the Lord takes away. Blessed be the Name of the Lord." In other, it is what is. I will trust despite what I see.

I like I said previously, God has directly cursed those who did evil. But, God doesn't promise that doing good would mean a life of easy and comfort. And faith in God doesn't mean that there will be no problems in life (little or large) and doesn't mean you won't physically die. What faith means the Judeo-Christian tradition is trusting God and His Holy Word (whether you believe that to be the Bible, The Qu'ran, the Torah or something you scribble on a napkin) in spite of circumstance. No testimony without a test.

anon@6:36, no one is saying that the people of Haiti did not cause many of their own problems. But before we act like our government had nothing to do with their problems remember that George W. Bush and Bill Clinton help orchestrate coup d'etats to remove the sitting president, twice. And that was just in the last 20 years.

LA - For what it's worth, buildings in Haiti, including government and public gathering places, were built to withstand hurricanes and wind, not earthquakes. The severity of this quake, not the mention the proximity of it to the surface, was going to crumble every building in the city.

Ford? Spit. So because he's a "black man" I'm suppose to support him? (Rippa, wah it tis yo tryin to say deh man?) Well based on that, no support from this black woman, cause I'm sure he doesn't like my black ass either.

And Alicia, I've heard about people claiming that Haiti was too "voodooish" and "evil" etc... But I too don't recall that much people claiming GOD sent the tsunami to "evil" Thailand because of all those pedophiles, child laborers and drug traffickers. Interesting.

It's a shame about Haiti. It's interesting how the "darker" side of Hispaniola always seem to be in more distress though. Maybe the majority isn't "light skinned" enough. {sarcasm}

Private thought out-loud: (So touching to see all the condolences and 'money' from American people being sent, but I wonder how many of us Americans wouldn't mind the Haitians turning into refugees towards US soils because of this?)

WAIT WHAT??? What reason is he giving for this? People like him and Limbaugh should be boycotted ASAP, even by their own listeners. Hit them where it hurts, their advertisers. We need a list. It's really despicable.

Remember Baby Doc and his Gold carriage. I'm sure if that had been melted down, it could have fed many Haitians.

Even thought Haiti is very poor, I would bet that there are a lot of laws that might prevent a lot of corporations from wanting to move there. Like the minimum wage may be too high, or certain types of pollution is forbidden because it is an island.

Many corporations fled the Caribbean during the 80's for those very reasons and went to Mexico.

"I would bet that there are a lot of laws that might prevent a lot of corporations from wanting to move there. Like the minimum wage may be too high."

Hathor, anything but that. Royal Caribbean Cruses International pays Labadee workers on average less than $5.00 equivalent US dollars a day. I don't know what cheaper they would want. It's criminal. They even pay the South-east Asians workers more money than they pay Haitian people.

O'Reilly needs a straightjacket. The dude is certifiable. Another bizarre example of white reporter paranoia about Haitians was turned in by Chris Matthews tonight. Watch Hardball when they re-air it. He's talking to Chuck Todd about how "we better send help or they will all come over here as illegal aliens and no one wants that".

In 1987 I worked for a company that had off shore assembly in Barbados.Two years before it had left St. Christopher's, because it law required that companies provide transportation and lunch.

On a business trip to Barbados in 87 I found that the minimum wage was a Barbadan Dollar equivalent to 50 cent US. Several companies had already left for Mexico(it wage being 25cents), Intel being one of them and I spoke to a manager of another company which told me they were leaving for Mexico, too. It was because of the minimum wage.

Barbados also restricted ground dumping because the only freshwater the island got was from groundwater with sea water and rain filtered through limestone.

>>>>>On a business trip to Barbados in 87 I found that the minimum wage was a Barbadan Dollar equivalent to 50 cent US. Several companies had already left for Mexico(it wage being 25cents), Intel being one of them and I spoke to a manager of another company which told me they were leaving for Mexico, too. It was because of the minimum wage.<<<<<<<

Absolutely ridiculous. Either minimum wage is like slavery, so it seems especially cruel to move another country. Both are being exploited.

I'm absolutely convinced that the economic structure of the west needs poor people to exploit.

Hathor, I'm not going to refute the info you stated about Barbados. I thought we were referring to the various conditions of Haiti in the conversation. No offense, but the information you supplied on Barbados has nothing to do with the policies, politics or conditions of Haiti.

And by brining up policies in Barbados, it reminds me how some people seem to think various islands and countries in the Caribbean are monolithic or comparable to each other.

La♥Incognita,I was not trying to lump all Caribbean nations as being the same. I was making a supposition as to why there is no corporate investment in Haiti. Jobs have to come from somewhere. The tourist industry is even driven by corporate entities. Corporations don't care about culture, history or the kind of government, it will even build the infrastructure if it is to their benefit to exploit the population or resources.

I was only using my experience to make the analogy.

Education could possibly be a resource, but the wealth of the country has been squandered and there is never any guarantee that any aid would help in that regard, unless it would get to the people directly.

Talking the PC talking points is not going to provide jobs. Capitalism, is what it is.

I don't have a problem with centrist politics. In fact, I think that's the way to go considering how a straight left wing platform has done for us. As for Harold, he's just another political opportunist like Mrs. Clinton. Besides, CONgress could use a little more color.

I'm just wondering why is it ok to use "colors" to describe lightskinned black folks but not ok to to the same with dark skinned black folks. In other words if I called Clarence Thomas a crusty, smokey black uncle tom, I'm betting someone here would call me out about that. How about Dark and Lovely hair products bring ok, but no one could get away with product called Light and Lucious in the Black community. The hypocrisy of black folks continues to amaze me!

I hope he doesn't get his feelings hurt!! Just because Hillary transplanted her way into the Senate, doesn't mean that New York is a free for all. New Yorkers are full of pride and intellect and will not allow an outsider who "thinks" they need him to win their vote. Ford is better off taking his "They need me" attitude to the south! where it can really be considered a fact!

La♥Incognita said...Steve, it's also telling how she's always finding any trivial opportunity to mention how light skinned she is.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

You're probably one of those dark skinned black folks that hate all light skinned people because you aren't light skinned. But I'm not supposed to say that shit because ONLY dark-skinned Blacks are "allowed" to complain about colorism. Well kiss my yellow ass, YOU AND UTS!!!!

Here's some real info for you. I'd be the shizzle no matter what "color" I was because I have the one thing you so glaringly lack. CONFIDENCE!!!

Now put down the haterade, and don't forget to grab the vasoline for those knees and elbows, 'cause you know how YOU get in wintertime!!

grinder said...One thing this blog has taught me is that variations of skin color are just as much a problem within the black population as they are between blacks and other races. Interesting.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Right on point!

I throughly understand that EVERYTHING I say to some black people around here and sometimes in real life, will ALWAYS been seen through "lightskinned" colored glasses. Well that's their dumb shit NOT mine!

Just a quick comment, just so some peace can break out as I really don't like what I'm reading here on the light skin/dark skin thing.

Many on both sides of the divide here are carrying resentments and that's apparent from the discussion here. Being a dark skin brother myself, I caught hell when growing up, but those on the light skin side can say the same thing. All the hell was doled out by our folks.

It's a hell of a thing to be an African-American and have to deal with the historical burdens that all entails. But the extra burden from all this internal carnage is just way too much. We really need to stop and think about what we're doing to each other here. I think that Reid's comments may have forced much more to the surface than I anticipated and the result is us at each other's throats over some bullshit.

Anony said: "I caught hell when growing up, but those on the light skin side can say the same thing. All the hell was doled out by our folks."

I agree, but this is how I also see it. In example, sometimes finically privileged children can also catch hell/rejection from poor/deprived children in a social setting. But at the end of the day, who is still at an economical advantage over the other?

Due to anti-black racism and colorism both internal and external, being "light skinned" still has noticeable advantages over being dark skinned. So when some light skinned blacks complain adding embellishments, it's almost akin to the superficial whining of the economically privileged who deny having advantages over the poor. Black people have always tried to shove colorism under the rug, we need to talk about it, we need to deal with it.

Did you also notice how Fly tried to accuse me of being dark skinned? She said it as if SHE thinks telling someone they are dark-skinned is an insult. She has done this before. And for the record, I don't have a dark skin tone.

Furthermore, I don't think discussing skin hue is the only objective behind Fly and her constant self-elevating on this blog. I've always heard of people using the internet as a platform to live out their wildest dreams. However, this is what I've gathered so far based on the things Fly have always said about herself. She is a light skinned shizzle, with a great body, envied by many, gives good "intimacy", a scientist, and is making close to $200 grand a year.

>>>>>I agree, but this is how I also see it. In example, sometimes finically privileged children can also catch hell/rejection from poor/deprived children in a social setting. But at the end of the day, who is still at an economical advantage over the other?

Due to anti-black racism and colorism both internal and external, being "light skinned" still has noticeable advantages over being dark skinned. So when some light skinned blacks complain adding embellishments, it's almost akin to the superficial whining of the economically privileged who deny having advantages over the poor. Black people have always tried to shove colorism under the rug, we need to talk about it, we need to deal with it.

Did you also notice how Fly tried to accuse me of being dark skinned? She said it as if SHE thinks telling someone they are dark-skinned is an insult. She has done this before. And for the record, I don't have a dark skin tone.

Furthermore, I don't think discussing skin hue is the only objective behind Fly and her constant self-elevating on this blog. I've always heard of people using the internet as a platform to live out their wildest dreams. However, this is what I've gathered so far based on the things Fly have always said about herself. She is a light skinned shizzle, with a great body, envied by many, gives good "intimacy", a scientist, and is making close to $200 grand a year.

Sometimes swallowing with a grain of salt gets old.

Good night.<<<<<<<

LA,

I understand what you're saying and I agree that there have some some advantages gotten by the lighter hue, but all of this is due to legacy of racism here in the US. We have to let the effect of all that go at some point and not carry out a battle that's been set up for us to remain at loggerheads among ourselves. That's all I'm saying.

I think we need to talk about it to get an understanding of the real source of the resentments, but somehow we must move past this and elevate our thoughts and concerns to issues that are far more important.

I can't comment on whatever has occurred between you and Fly as I'm not aware of any particulars beyond those in this string.

all colorism is rooted in white supremacy which was created and perfected by whites

i admit, blacks are far more colorist than whites today...but only because we have been educated so indelibly well by white supremacists...many of whom raped our ebony chattel foremothers and bred the uniquely vast skin tones we still display...

AB, you and I will ALWAYS be cool my sista' and I'll ALWAYS have love for you!

Now for this LaIncognigga, you're so damn jealous of me and my success you can hardly stand yourself. So hold your breath waiting on me to apologize for the fact that I'm blessed on ALL fronts and you'll soon be one dead Icognigga!!! And speaking my success, those who know me by name know that a quick Google search verify's who I am, what I done, and what I've do. But I'm willing to bet that a google search of your name would only show something meanigful if you happened to share a name with someone who's done something in their life.

At the end of the day I can only feel an enormous amount of pity for you because you're one sad excuse of a human being.

And UTS, I had a FULL body pic for my avatar and I can assure you that I don't look like your wife, opps I meant a pitbull. The hting is I wouldn't give a hot flying piece of shit what YOU think I look like because you're NOT my man. As given how weak you'veshown yourself to be on this blog, you could NEVER be my man!!!

uptownsteve said... For the record, my wife and I are mahogany brown (about the same compexion as Michelle Obama) and proud of it.

My dad was very light skinned and straight haired. My mom was darskinned and broad featured.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

If you're so "proud of it" why do you feel the need to make such an obviously "colored" point? I seriously doubt my husband goes around saying to people "my wife is highly accomplished and is honey brown like Beyonce". See how stupid that sounds???

Confidence my ass, you probably only ended up with your "mahogonay" wife because the lightskinned chicks you REALLY wanted wouldn't have you, LOL!!!

Whites aren't "equally rabid." The closest whites ever get to "colorism" is the whole "dumb blonde" thing, which runs about a millimeter deep.

I find the "colorism" phenomenon among black folks just fascinating, and more than a little sad.

There are 150 million or so white adults in this country, so I have no doubt that some of them are "colorist" with respect to black people, but it's not a phenomenon that has ever touched me in any way. I find the whole idea baffling.

I can understand about the roots in slavery, and I have an appreciation for the influence of history on culture. But folks, this is the new world, not some far off corner of Europe where 200 years ago might as well be yesterday.

Get the fuck over it. Black people discriminating against other black people for being too black? I've got to tell you, it's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of. If it wasn't so poisonous and fucked up, I'd laugh.

Oh, and by the way, so you know, this has its analog in the gay tribe, where there is a fair amount of discrimination against unmasculine males and unfeminine females. So yeah, I do understand, and I do know where it comes from. But it's still fucked up.

One other thing, and if people here think I'm lyin' about it, too bad: I think Michele Obama is beautiful, and last time I looked she's pretty black. I got baggage in my railroad cars, and I've never denied it, but colorism ain't one of the suitcases. At a gut level, even though I can understand it as an analog to the "straight-acting" phenomenon among gay people, colorism among black people simply does not compute with me.

Grinder, the "colorism thing" among white folks is the blonde hair/blue eyed ideal so stop acting like you don't know.

Tell the truth, the MAIN reason an unattractive mofo like Gene Hackman was even given a shot in Hollyweird was because he was blue-eyed and talented. Really, how many brown eyed brunettes that look like him could have had a shot?

"If you're so "proud of it" why do you feel the need to make such an obviously "colored" point? I seriously doubt my husband goes around saying to people "my wife is highly accomplished and is honey brown like Beyonce". See how stupid that sounds???"

I didn't mention anything about accomplishments.

Just stated that we're dark, lovely and proud.

The only folks trippin off "light skin" are insecure negroes like you who think that you're special because you're closer to "white".

That's slave mentality my sista.

"Confidence my ass, you probably only ended up with your "mahogonay" wife because the lightskinned chicks you REALLY wanted wouldn't have you, LOL!!!"

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