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Ahtyba Rubin leads NFL.......

in tackles for a defensive lineman. I did not know he was having this great of a year. Good for him and the Clones! Rhoads should show this to all the defensive tackle recruits you guys are begging him to sign!!

Re: Ahtyba Rubin leads NFL.......

tackles are a funny statistic. Each NFL team hires a crew to record game tackle stats for home games. The numbers they come up with are submitted to the league as "official." Then after the game, with the exception of a few teams, the coaching staffs review the game footage and submit their own tackle stats to the league, and they are considered to be the "official" numbers. As recently as 2008, Oakland, Miami, Houston, and Seattle were the only teams not to do this. The problem is that there is no consistency on what constitutes a tackle from team to team. Players have seen huge jumps and dips in their recorded tackles, and there have been cases where teams have reported impossible stats. (like recording more solo tackles than available defensive plays)

I'm not trying to discount Rubin's value. Just pointing out that tackle stats are a good guess at best.

Re: Ahtyba Rubin leads NFL.......

Originally Posted by Mr Janny

tackles are a funny statistic. Each NFL team hires a crew to record game tackle stats for home games. The numbers they come up with are submitted to the league as "official." Then after the game, with the exception of a few teams, the coaching staffs review the game footage and submit their own tackle stats to the league, and they are considered to be the "official" numbers. As recently as 2008, Oakland, Miami, Houston, and Seattle were the only teams not to do this. The problem is that there is no consistency on what constitutes a tackle from team to team. Players have seen huge jumps and dips in their recorded tackles, and there have been cases where teams have reported impossible stats. (like recording more solo tackles than available defensive plays)

I'm not trying to discount Rubin's value. Just pointing out that tackle stats are a good guess at best.

Not sure there is a point here. Tackles will and always be a subjective stat, and unless the same person records it for every game it will not be consistent...

“What people need to realize about the NCAA is that it is not a sports organization by any means,'' says Brent Clark, an Oklahoma lawyer and former NCAA investigator who has studied the association for more than 30 years. ``It's an economic cartel dedicated to preserving the product.''

Re: Ahtyba Rubin leads NFL.......

Originally Posted by Clones85'

in tackles for a defensive lineman. I did not know he was having this great of a year. Good for him and the Clones! Rhoads should show this to all the defensive tackle recruits you guys are begging him to sign!!

Re: Ahtyba Rubin leads NFL.......

Not sure there is a point here. Tackles will and always be a subjective stat, and unless the same person records it for every game it will not be consistent...

That is exactly my point. Tackle stats are subjective, and sometimes complete fabrications because there is no standard for how they are recorded.

Saying Player X has 15 more tackles than Player Y is not as accurate of statement as saying Player X has 20 more receptions than Player Y, because the league has clear guidelines for what constitutes a reception, and it does not for tackles.

Imagine if you were comparing automobiles based on their miles per gallon, and each car company had a different measurement of what a gallon was. The MPG statistic would lose its meaning.

I'm merely calling attention to the way that tackles are recorded in the NFL, and that they don't really mean a whole lot.

Re: Ahtyba Rubin leads NFL.......

I guess Rhoads could, since Rubin did play at ISU. Kinda think the ex-ISU-now North Texas HC, you know, the guy who was the reason for Rubin coming here, will be mentioning this also...

How did Rubin do under that coach? I think Chizik could be milking this just as much.
All three entities should, and probably are, using this.

“What people need to realize about the NCAA is that it is not a sports organization by any means,'' says Brent Clark, an Oklahoma lawyer and former NCAA investigator who has studied the association for more than 30 years. ``It's an economic cartel dedicated to preserving the product.''

Re: Ahtyba Rubin leads NFL.......

Anybody know if the Browns run a true 3-4 defense? If so, and he is the starting NT, then those tackle numbers are even more ridiculous. Typically a 3-4 NT doesn't get a ton of tackles. Way to go Tuba!

Re: Ahtyba Rubin leads NFL.......

Originally Posted by Mr Janny

tackles are a funny statistic. Each NFL team hires a crew to record game tackle stats for home games. The numbers they come up with are submitted to the league as "official." Then after the game, with the exception of a few teams, the coaching staffs review the game footage and submit their own tackle stats to the league, and they are considered to be the "official" numbers. As recently as 2008, Oakland, Miami, Houston, and Seattle were the only teams not to do this. The problem is that there is no consistency on what constitutes a tackle from team to team. Players have seen huge jumps and dips in their recorded tackles, and there have been cases where teams have reported impossible stats. (like recording more solo tackles than available defensive plays)

I'm not trying to discount Rubin's value. Just pointing out that tackle stats are a good guess at best.

I didn't know the NFL still did that. I know that in the NCAA, it is against the rules for a coach to have input on tackles. The numbers recorded by the press box are the official numbers.

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