Why are they making a big deal about the hand signal in court? I feel like it has so many different meanings like “got ya to look” or “great” or “666” or “white power” but than the media took pictures of you tubers and politicians making this hand signal and tried saying they’re apart of this white supremacist group too lol crazy

While it probably is a justifiable restriction on free speech to censor certain types of harassing content, such as that connected picking at these wounds, I do frankly find it disturbing that this line of thinking is held up as good.

Certain free speech should probably be restricted in most spaces, private AND public, while still allowing it to be discussed on unrestricted forums, well known for being unrestricted. But this line of thinking that privately owned spaces should have carte blanche to restrict whatever they want, no matter how much of a public space they evolve to be, is pretty disturbing.

It absolutely was, when it was a young site, it was pretty much as unrestrictive as U.S. Law was, which was pretty good.

The fact that the entirety of reddit has become restricted in significant ways that are in addition to what U.S. law demands is, in my opinion, pretty shitty. If certain subreddits want to restrict certain degrees of freedom of speech, that's fine.

But I think that reddit as a whole should not go as far as it does. It has effectively become a public space and, therefore, should have certain protections extended to certain speech. Small subreddits like this one should have more leniency, but larger ones should have degrees of protection.

We need to quit subjecting ourselves to these nanny state laws. You and me both know that we initially consent to such authoritarianism out of fear. It's time we started growing up and learning how to disseminate and dissect data maturely without abusing it and causing us to lose rights. There is alternative to solutions instead of just saying no one can read it. I think there are weak minded people who could be influenced and become the next terrorist, but that's because our society is breeding weak minded people by censoring stuff like this and saying "no you can't read it". I mean if they really want to read it they'll find it. So we basically need to break the cycle and start growing up and start enacting reasonable, mature solutions

That would work only if everyone was rational. Unfortunately the risks involved of this happening again via people vindicated by the events who don't think as rationally as you or I far outweigh the benefits. Let me ask you this. If you can still find it, just not here on reddit, is there really a problem? To me there isn't, because a curious person like you (who I assume doesn't endorse right wing extremism) or myself who also has no interest in pea-brained crimes and ideologies beyond getting to the "why" of things are smart enough to go and find that information. Many of the dinguses who would read it and try to repeat it however, I don't believe are competent enough to find it. Ergo it kind of acts as its own form of regulation. Thoughts?

These are private companies who are making the decision to not spread hate propaganda. That's them expressing their freedom. Freedoms have to do with limitations between the individual and the STATE, not the individuals and PRIVATE ORGANISATIONS.

The Government of New Zealand has made a recommendation but is not enforcing it in any sense. Just because some people are sensible enough to listen to it doesn't mean anyone's losing their rights.

I would perhaps take your own advice on growing up and seeking mature solutions.

No... That's now how our Government works... That's not how MOST governments work. Making laws takes months, even years to write, discuss, pass through the House several times through several readings before it is signed and assented.

No laws have been passed or enacted, not even under emergency, the government has merely committed to "some" law reform.

Don't you think it's a bit risky to disseminate propaganda materials if there are people like you who aren't going to bother to read it properly? How the hell are you going to make mature, reasonable discussions if you're not going to bother doing the basic research and check your sources?

Can you reference the laws you are talking about? When were they enacted? I am curious, because I am an American and my freedom of speech is enshrined. Is you suppression more than normal (compared to the rest of the western world), or is it about in the middle of the pack?

sorry, I'm an American as well, forgetting I was in /r/NZ. But my message applies to all of humanity. I don't know about NZ, but freedom of speech is suppressed greatly in America. Freedom of opinion even. You can't say what you think without someone attacking you.

But that's the definition of true democratic freedom of speech... you can express yourself as you please but so can everybody else, so experiencing some backlash from somewhere is inevitable. You spoke of society breeding "weak minds". What, if not weak-minded, is the statement, "you can't say what you think without someone attacking you"?- So what? unless you're afraid they might have a point that will change your mind or you fear they'll out-discuss/debate you, what's the problem with somebody attacking you? If you're talking about being physically attacked, that's even better because then you win automatically...

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