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For me this would have to happen when no adult was present, otherwise there's no need to fake anything. Some believe the children were never left unattended, so that would rule this scenario out. GA seemed confident it was accidental and at the couch though, and tbh, he's the one I'd trust.IMO

chirpyinsect wrote:If we can't be sure of the blood being Madeleine's but trust that a cadaver was in the apartment, is it now possible to think that there is an alternative scenario? That instead of being taken out of the apartment, her body was brought in. The lack of dna, bed unmessed, no sheets on cots,Oldfield describing the wrong apartment, cuddlecat not on high shelf might point to them having lived elsewhere and used 5a to stage the abduction from. Might explain the creche sheets fiasco as names and locations were switched around.

Mrs Fenn knew there was someone letting the apartment below.. The cleaner cleaned the apartment, and a cleaner saw them. I'm afraid a pre planned event with having another apartment, changing crèche records, telling witnesses to lie, is way beyond the scope of my imagination, too many people, too much planning, how did they manage to get 5a if they lived elsewhere?. I think MO maybe described his own thinking it was the same, as he never went into the bedroom did he IIRC?

Didn't Mrs Fenn say she never heard them down below?

When questioned, she said that she never heard any arguments between the couple or with their children. She said that the family would spend much time outside of the apartment and therefore she did not notice their presence.

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If you are prepared to reconsider the evidence behind the sofa, ie that it must have been the scene of death, it opens up many new possibilities because the timelines are altered

In particular, there is no need to work out if a body could have been lying in situ long enough to develop cadaver scent on the evening of 3 May - something that has been a bone of contention for years

***Where do I start?My thought was based on the fact that there's no dispute about Eddie finding cadaver scent in the master bedroom.Hence my mind wandered to other options, which in fact I've been doing for the past 9 years ;-)

I do not exclude, though, that Eddie found cadaver and blood behind the sofa and Keela confirmed the blood scent. This goes with my theory, that she did indeed fall behind the sofa, where she met her faith and was only discovered the next morning.

Another odd thing about the master bedroom, is that the cleaning lady saw a cot there on Wednesday morning, whereas the parents deny that.Strange. Why would she lie or make up a story or why would they?

I don't exclude either that she an accident whilst not being supervised, was treated by the "doctors" themselves and unfortunately didn't survive, which required yet another scenario to put in place ...

I have a covered area at the rear of my house which I always refer to as the veranda.Bit of an oddity though in that it is on the same level as the house which is a bungalow from the front but on first floor level at the back because the ground slopes away there, making the veranda a balcony. Wasn't it sort of the same with 5a front at street level, back upstairs.

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Andrew wrote:Any idea when that pic was taken..... (of the clothing on the balcony)

A towel maybe. Not Gerrys y-fronts anyway.

A pink blanket.

Interesting Dee.

Not sure if it was taken during their stay or if taken after they moved. My guess is the latter as there was no reason for there to be photos before the event. So anything hanging there may not be theirs. I need new specs as I can't see anything on the railings.

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I'm near sure it was taken the night she went, by the police.Chirps, there's what looks like a child's t-shirt in the pics candyfloss posted, but I think it's not relevant cause there's no date on those.