It appears as if I had already left tibetan buddhism - at least to some degree. Now my tibetan buddhist friends have suggested to complete the leaving behind and sealed it. Thank you.What a wonderful journey. It is good to move on and not settle down.

TMingyur wrote:It appears as if I had already left tibetan buddhism - at least to some degree. Now my tibetan buddhist friends have suggested to complete the leaving behind and sealed it. Thank you.What a wonderful journey. It is good to move on and not settle down.

plwk wrote:The Triple Gem is your portion and heritage as a Buddhist, who dares ask you to leave it?

Through leaving behind what has to be left behind the Tripple Gem is found.

mindyourmind wrote:If I may ask, are you staying with the Dharma?

Of course. "Leaving behind" actually in this context means to return to the source. And this must not be interpreted to be a complete rejection of Mahayana either. Leaving "tibetan buddhism" does not mean to reject the teachings of all tibetan teachers. In contrast some teachings are manifestations of what the Buddha of the sutta pitaka taught and they have led me to understand the Buddha of the sutta pitaka and recognize Him to be the only perfect Buddha and Bodhisattva.It is this worldly manifestation of what is called "tibetan buddhism" and its ungrounded tenets that my leaving behind refers to. And it also means not seeking mutual understanding of wisdom aspects through communicative exchange with worldly followers of tibetan buddhism because this is impossible. However dissent sometimes may be revealing and conducive but dissent is rarely tolerated by worldly followers.

Tibetan buddhism has helped me very much. But if I ever get involved with tibetan buddhism again I will be loosing all the help I have received.

What to say. Why do you always get involved in the same discussion when you know where it will lead. Tibetan Buddhism, is perfect as it is - in reality. Without trying to make a personal attack towards you I will leave you with this, also for the others who read your posts) from Longchempa's Treasury of Philosophical Instructions. I thought of you when I was reading this last night..

"Those of lesser intelligence, whose vision (in terms of their sublime knowing) is shortsighted, hold to one interpretation. Daunted by detailed presentations of an inconceivable number of spiritual approaches and variety of philosophical systems, they say that such presentations are in-valid. They are like cattle opining, "Since we bovines are endowed with horns, human beings and gods must all have horns." Given that the methods of these spiritual approaches entail an unlimited variety of terminology and purpose, the alternative ways to traverse a path and attain a specific spiritual level or state of meditative absorption are incalculable. Because the omniscient Buddha spoke from a knowledge of everything, he gave teachings consistent with the attitudes of his listeners, speaking of what would delight and interest them. Thus, he spoke of paths to be traversed and of no path, of paths involving effort and effortless paths, of paths to free one in a single lifetime or to free one within an eon, and so forth. His sacred advice to us was to avoid those who view things incorrectly because they are daunted or intimidated by this vast reservoir of spiritual traditions and instead to study these traditions with a sense of purpose."

tamdrin wrote:... from Longchempa's Treasury of Philosophical Instructions. I thought of you when I was reading this last night..

"Those of lesser intelligence, whose vision (in terms of their sublime knowing) is shortsighted, hold to one interpretation. Daunted by detailed presentations of an inconceivable number of spiritual approaches and variety of philosophical systems, they say that such presentations are in-valid. They are like cattle opining, "Since we bovines are endowed with horns, human beings and gods must all have horns." Given that the methods of these spiritual approaches entail an unlimited variety of terminology and purpose, the alternative ways to traverse a path and attain a specific spiritual level or state of meditative absorption are incalculable. ...

Hey that sounds great. Very anti-dogmatic, anti-clinging-to-tenets and pro-variety ...