Who has more power? Googs or Sammy? I hope Sammy drops android and see both companies implode in mobile.

Sammy isn't gonna drop android. They've already did the math, and they'd lose. However, they can't stay with android due to the Chinese companies chewing away at their bottom end products and Apple owning the top end. So, Sammy is in a lose-lose situation.

Google, on the other hand, is in no better a situation. The people with the money to spend are more and more not buying android or using android to shop around. In other words Google's analytics are not as finely granular as they once were. Once the advertising clients see that and start demanding Google cut their advertising prices, life at Google will get worse (no more jet pack projects). Meanwhile the clock is running on Google's search patent (2 years and counting down), and iOS8 will put the bulk of iOS searchers behind a wall where their activity and interest will be mostly invisible to Google.

I see no good end game for these two crooked companies, and I find it fun to watch their tents burn.

Meanwhile the Microsoft sideshow provides its own spectacle of a clown fire department. Waaay too late and no clear plan on how to catch up, other then compete for the low end of the phone business in emerging markets.

"The phone will cost you one goat, and the service will require you bring me two chickens each month."

That's a far cry from business in the air conditioned halls of enterprise clients. How far the mighty have fallen!

"That (the) world is moving so quickly that iOS is already amongst the older mobile operating systems in active development today." — The Verge

It isn't personal. It is business and is all about money. The money for Android is in the advertising, the app store, and the collection of tracking information to best target the advertising. Samsung is likely seeing that the margins in making a handset are diminishing and the Chinese are having Samsung for lunch in China. What can you do about it? Create your own ecosystem that can run Android apps natively. Ditch Google Maps, Gmail, etc. and offer your own services and as a bridge open it up to third party bidders with the highest bidder getting first crack at it while you develop your in-house solutions.

MS does have a good mobile OS. Not great on ecosystem but that's more a result of not being popular which they can't seem to do this late in the game because they aren't popular.

I'll take your word for it then, after using every OS on a desk top they ever made I assumed it was as bad. I wondered if the out of favor thing was true, or not. MS not being popular is certainly pretty staggering to those of us who have been around before its shadow darkened the landscape.

From Apple ][ - to new Mac Pro I've owned them all.Long on AAPL so biased"Google doesn't sell you anything, Google just sells you!"

I'll take your word for it then, after using every OS on a desk top they ever made I assumed it was as bad. I wondered if the out of favor thing was true, or not. MS not being popular is certainly pretty staggering to those of us who have been around before its shadow darkened the landscape.

It is quite staggering how MS has been unable to parlay their popularity in desktop OS into mobile even after Apple showed them how to do it. Win 8 isn't bad, but it's not good either.

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What else are they supposed to do? Sell exactly the same watch in terms of capabilities as its competitors?

That's what Google wants. They're saying, here, do exactly what everyone else is doing. May the cheapest version win.

Every company wants to be Apple and charge a premium for being unique valuable and different.

Assuming Scammy shafts Google, and I hope they do, who is left of any importance selling Android crap? I don't follow Android / Google news at all, other than reading Gatorguy here on AI, so I really don't know. Doesn't Google make some hardware themselves? Microsoft's downfall may have begun when they went into hardware so I hope so.

From Apple ][ - to new Mac Pro I've owned them all.Long on AAPL so biased"Google doesn't sell you anything, Google just sells you!"

Hilarious, open source is a snake that has turned to bite the hand that reared it('s ugly head lol)!

This is all moot regardless, Scamsung's effort will fall by the way-side whether Apple releases a watch or not. Should Apple not enter the market, there are far more brilliant minds capable of capitalising on the art than Shamsung will ever rally. (My prophesy at least. )

Historically, isn't creating a new OS (even for phones) an exceedingly difficult task and one frequently prone to failure? Does Samsung have any experience creating OSes? This seems like more of Samsung just competing for competition's sake. No real strategy, no clear plan - let's just try this and see what sticks to the wall.

For sure, Google can no longer claim with a straight face that Android is 'open'... That was Andy Rubin's vision, and Google went along to sign up new OEMs and grow adoption, but now that they have market share, Larry is clamping down...

What a mess Android has become...

And the inevitable Google pushback is starting to appear from many directions...

For sure, Google can no longer claim with a straight face that Android is 'open'... That was Andy Rubin's vision, and Google went along to sign up new OEMs and grow adoption, but now that they have market share, Larry is clamping down...

What a mess Android has become...

And the inevitable Google pushback is starting to appear from many directions...

They can because "Android" is open source. It's a confusing mess, but that's probably by design so they can say "Android is open" whist strong-arming vendors as the term "Android" is used to multiple things.

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That's a good policy and how I typically spent my life. I love cars, I love luxury and I love new, but it's really hard for me to think that spending 6 figures on a car makes any sense for my needs because it's new, stylish, well built, and comes with many features. Last year I bought a new car for the peace of mind of a warranty to try that out. The only feature I cared about was handsfree calls. Outside of that I really didn't care. That said, I may sell it for a car that comes with CarPlay within the next year if a dealership demo preforms well. I also could use a vehicle with a permanent rack on top for my surf board. Getting annoyed with the ones I need to install that fit into the door jams.

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All this in-fighting can only be good for Apple though.. As they walk around pissing on each other Apple just glibly build's it's Unified OS strategy between Phone/Tablet/Laptop/Desktop and whistles to it's own tune..

It's A LOT easier for Apple to loosen the rains a bit to allow devs to do more than it is to tighten them; cutting off devs and OEMs...

You make people HAPPY and thank you when you loosen.. You piss them off and make them walk when you tighten.. I'm thinking Google is starting to realize they went @ss backwards.. lol

Samsung... will be surprised to learn that people who buy Galaxy are primarily Android fans not Samsung fans.

I'd like to agree with the totality of your argument, but I am not so sure this is a correct assessment. I think people who buy Galaxy are primarily platform oblivious, and merely buy what Walmart or Bestbuy or their current telco carrier is offering them for under a buck, so long as it lets them text and play a few free games. They won't buy apps, they won't buy expensive (quality-built) phones/tablets, and they just want a shiny-new device every 12 months to show off to their friends. Oh, and it should have a 64 gigapixels camera, because... pixels!

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Originally Posted by digitalclips (Responding to dasanman69)

I agree, most of the knuckleheads buying Galaxies have no idea what OS they run.

Great fun to watch. They should stick to what they are good at and focus development in those areas. Samsung could be on a 'sticky wicket', to coin an English phrase, in the future in the IT market. In the end quality and consistency counts much more than advertising hype.

The tears are streaming from my eyes. To think that Google got stung by the biggest commie crooks in the world is just too much wrap my head around! Well, the tears have stopped, but I'm still laughing my a%u03DF%u03DF off!

That's a good one!

I don't like Samsung because they are crooked to the core.

I don't like Google because they try to steal products and make a run for it and they always fail. Google Wallet was a stolen product just like Android was a stolen product. Wait until Oracle gets a hold of theses crooks.

Samsung is the one being the bully. Samsung is attempting to use it's leverage as the dominant Android device manufacturer to do whatever it wants.

I think Google is the bully. Samsung is just not an easy victim.

It's funny to see that Samsung (appalling though its copying tactics are) is more or less in the same situation as Apple. They are a hardware vendor for which the software is a means to sell devices (actually, Apple is more an 'integrated experience' vendor). They are both up against pure software giants like Google and Amazon, both of the bullying kind (Amazon in the publishing world is even a worse bully than Google in any of their endeavors). What is it that makes 'software and services' giants so easily into bullies? Is it maybe necessary for their survival/success? Is it built into their business model?

I think Samsung would love to be in Apple's situation vis-a-vis software. Given their volume, if they are able to build their own ecosystem with their own OS that can be installed also on existing devices (back to S3-level stuff) they could in one fell swoop completely destroy Android. It's a tough one though, because they would also need to build a fair number of apps to start with. Suppose they:

- develop the OS, make sure it runs on a large volume of existing devices

- when it is done, announce it and promote heavily the development of apps for the first release, build an app store

- go live

Not realistic, of course, but hey fantasizing is fun. They would need a very strong leadership pushing the vision to pull this off. If they don't pull this off, it seems Google in the end must win because they have Samsung by the balls as Samsung cannot sell a device without Google's OS.