I advocate for all races. I treat all people equally and as individuals. I don't fault people for being gay, and I don't fault people for being Black. There is a big difference between skin color and sexual preferences.

Such as? Why don't you advocate for homosexuals? We're all equal, right?

When I see signatures like "groidologist," do you really have to ask why I don't want to be associated with this movement? Do you truly feel that that Isn't racist?

That isn't a signature. What's racist about it? "Groid" is short for negroid, a perfectly acceptable term. "Ologist" meaning "a person who studies." Don't you approve of learning more about African Americans? Golly, I thought you liked black people.

I don't ignore reality. I just see things much differently then you do, and I happen to see Blacks in a different light. I don't make excuses for their criminal behavior, but I feel that there are factors that lead to it than are not natural and genetic, and that there are ways to rectify the problem.

Oh, my mistake. You just have a twisted view of reality. What are these factors that you keep mentioning? LIST THEM, lets discuss them.

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Yes, we do have our shortcomings, but, and forgive me if I jump to an unfair conclusion, you wanted me to say that all of my White trash friends are "wiggers." That sounds to me like you think every other White person is perfect or something. That's not true.

I believe you mentioned living in an area where you were graced with lots of exposure to the negro.

This, more than likely, means you live in an urban environment.

Now, considering the effect that this environment had on you, and the people in this environment, doesn't it make sense that most of the white trash you know are wiggers? By the way, what do you call the black version of "white trash?"

Ok. I'm up for this. I have stated before that I think that who and what you are exposed to growing up is more of a deciding factor of how you turn out in life then some kind of genetic deficiency. It also makes more sense to me. I'm not saying that I'm right, it just seems more logical to me. Black children are much more likely then White children to grow up around drugs and violence, and without any positive adult influences to look up to. Most of the celebrities they look up to are the same way. So when children are exposed to drugs and violence, and sometimes become involved in these illegal activities before they are too young to even know better, it is very likely that they will become criminals. The same thing happens with people of every race. There are always exceptions, but not very often.

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I have stated before that I think that who and what you are exposed to growing up is more of a deciding factor of how you turn out in life then some kind of genetic deficiency.

Ok, based on crime stats, why is it that the environment that negroes create for their children has such a damaging effect on society? Are most negroes just bad parents?

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Black children are much more likely then White children to grow up around drugs and violence, and without any positive adult influences to look up to.

Again, why do black parents create such a horrible environment for their children? Where are the positive adult influences in the black community? Is it that the parents themselves are violent and simply pass this behavior on to their children? This leaves us with another question and throws us back into the loop.

Me: Why are negroes so violent?"
You: It's due to the way they were raised.
Me: So violent negroes influence black children to become violent?
You: Yes
Me: So why are negroes so violent?
(Repeat until my eyes bleed.)

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Most of the celebrities they look up to are the same way. So when children are exposed to drugs and violence, and sometimes become involved in these illegal activities before they are too young to even know better, it is very likely that they will become criminals.

Why are negroes drawn to violence? Why do black celebrities knowingly fill the little minds of negro children with such damaging crap? I guess they care more about money than the younger members of their race. They know negro children look up to them and they continue to fill their heads with ideas that will hurt them.

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The same thing happens with people of every race.

Yes it does, but blacks seem to be hit hardest. Again, 13% of the population accounts for 52% of the American prison population.

Even after you listed your reasons, the question still stands. Why are negroes so prone to criminal behavior? You can blame environment all you want, but who created and maintains that environment? Negroes.

It's an okay line of reasoning, but I don't like that it plays into the "Black athlete" stereotype.

If Blacks are such great basketball players, then why does the American Negro team regularly get its butt kicked by all-White teams internationally?

I think Affirmative Action has already been applied to the NBA.

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Why is it that there are so many more blacks in the NBA than Whites? Now here is where a cocky negro would walk right into the trap. Cue the cocky negro.

An anti or a negro would respond to this question with "Because blacks are better players, taller, and faster."

So, what they are saying is, "Only the best make it to the NBA, and most happen to be black." No one calls that racist for some reason. What would the NBA and sports fans say if I proposed a policy that would bring diversity to the NBA? Since the majority of the NBA consists of blacks, by diversity, I mean White guys.

Points of my proposed policy:

1. Race must be a factor when drafting players. White players must be drafted regardless of ability.

2. Each team must have a set amount of White players.

3. Each White player must get a set amount of playing time. No White bench warmers.

4. The salary of a 5'10 White player must be equal to that of the salary of a
6'10 negro. This is about diversity now, not ability.

The sports world would laugh at me, wouldn't they? They would say "The goal is to win, to win you need the BEST players!" Right? Success is the main goal, does everyone agree?

While you antis are nodding your heads, ask yourself this. "Why is affirmative action an acceptable practice in government, education, healthcare, and many other fields, but not an acceptable way to build a basketball team?"

It's an okay line of reasoning, but I don't like that it plays into the "Black athlete" stereotype.

If Blacks are such great basketball players, then why does the American Negro team regularly get its butt kicked by all-White teams internationally?

I think Affirmative Action has already been applied to the NBA.

There is one black owner of an NBA team, Robert L. Johnson who owns the Charlotte Bobcats. All the other 29 owners are white (about four are Jewish).
Let's take one team in an overwhelmingly white city, Portland, Oregon. The team there, the Trailblazers is owned by one of the ten wealthiest people on this planet: Paul Allen, co-founder of Microsoft with Bill Gates who is worth an estimated 60 billion dollars. Mr. Allen currently employs 11 blacks and 4 whites on his team.
Each professional sports team owner employs the players who he thinks give him the best chance to win and make the most money for his organization.
By the way, the one black owner, Robert Johnson drafted a white kid, Adam Morrison as the first player taken this year. Professional sports is a business, a major industry. Why did the black owner select a white star? Because he wants white North Carolinians to come to the games and fill the arena.

One of my biggies is that egalitarians generally can't think past arithmetic (they're usually lucky to get that far).

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sports has nothing to do with race. period. if youre white and are amazing at basketball, youre drafted into the nba.

This is actually factually untrue in at least one sport AFAIK (NFL, where whites are institutionally discouraged from "skill" positions).

Even if sports in general were all merit, it's still stupid to say "sports has nothing to do with race. period." That's like saying sports has nothing to do with genetics or DNA, which any scientist can tell you is absurd.

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its funny reading some of this stuff on this board sometimes. i mean maby its time to let go of the steryotypes? not all blacks are gun waving gangsters, nor are all white people saints. same vice versa. theres good and bad in every community, its just shocking that you guys still havent noticed that.

What's shocking is how consistently the far left end of the anti-racist bell curve (the only part we ever see around here) trots out this "argument" as if we are unaware of the obvious and as if it's germane; it is not.