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New Citadel Paints - and "old" range reference

Agatheron

Posted 24 March 2012 - 02:55 PM

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Hey everyone, GW just announced their new revamped paint range today, so I figure I'd put together a pinned topic for a quick reference on what the new paints are, and how they correspond to the about-to-be-old range.

It seems that they've broken the range into more subgroups than what are already here. Currently we have Foundation Paints, Citadel Color and Citadel Washes. The new subgroups are Base, Layer, Shade, Dry, Glaze, and Technical. In December 2013, they released a limited edition 9 paint "Edge" set, which as of March 2013 are now part of the new line and listed below, and are available individually.

Bases are essentially the Foundations, but expanded and modified, and includes the black colour for the range.

Agatheron

Posted 30 April 2012 - 10:56 PM

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I'm not sure how this topic ended up getting closed. At any rate, I posted the comparison chart as provided by GW themselves. However, as some of you may have already learned, some of the paints are waaaay off in terms of tonal similarities. I'd suggest adding your own thoughts as to what might be a better match.

For example: Charadon Granite is matched up with Stormvermin Fur. This isn't even close, as Charadon Granite is a foundation paint that is a very dark greenish grey, while Stormvermin Fur is a very light greenish grey, and is a layer. They're in the same tonal family, I suppose, but if you're looking for a Charadon Granite replacement, you may be looking at mixing some of the base paints... perhaps Dryad Bark with Abaddon Black and Deathworld Forest.

Don't get me wrong, I really like the new paints. I think the new paints are excellent and will improve everyone's quality of painting, but the conversion chart can only be an approximation as the paints have been reformulated to behave and interact with each other in order to get those good results.

Agatheron

Posted 20 June 2012 - 12:49 PM

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Believe it or not, the new paint range is geared more to people with beginner or intermediate skill levels. I've found that you get very good results without having to blend/mix... While that option is still there, and I have done so with the new paints, there is much to be said for developing consistent paint schemes.

Agatheron

Posted 09 April 2013 - 10:57 AM

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I need to amend this list, as it seems that the new Edge paints are now officially part of the full range. I originally understood the edge paints to be basically the same pigment tones as some of the Dry Compound range, simply in a layer format, but that is not exactly true.
In essence, these are supposed to be the lightest point for highlighting certain colours, and they are very good for handling those absolute top highlights. That having been said, you may note that there is no super-highlight for a bone colour, for example. It may seem silly to point it out, but that is what White Scar is for.
Here is a list:
Gauss Blaster Green
Baharroth Blue
Dorn Yellow
Fulgrim Pink
Flayed One Flesh
Dechala Lilac
Krieg Khaki
Blue Horror
Lugganath Orange
Most of the colours should be obvious. Flayed One Flesh is the top highlight on most light skin tones whether you've gone the Ratskin Flesh base or the Bugman's Glow route... but all of these presume you've already used the brightest highlight in the Layer range already.
I should also note that Lugganath orange is the top highlight for reds... it may be obvious, but worthwhile pointing out. As previously suggested, if you find the highlights too stark, the glazes are good at tying all the colours together.
The difference between Baharroth Blue and Blue Horror is that Baharroth is more of a teal (greenish-blue) tone, where Blue Horror is similar in pigment to the Etherium Blue dry compound.
Anyway, hope you find this helpful. I'm still experimenting with these myself...

BadAss Mazda!

Posted 27 October 2017 - 02:12 PM

I tried the new GW paintings and I'm not too fund of it to be honest. They do the job, don't get me wrong, but I don't know why I have a mixed feeling about them...

While there is a lot of painting range that are really good one intrigued me a lot. Coat d'Arms.

I've been told that they were the former providers of GW in matters of painting, I don't know if it's true, but a sure thing is that you can find really close references to the old GW paintings. All this in the round pots that GW used at the very beggining, when they started with the "Monster Paint Set" and so on (this is important because they preserve paint for a really LONG time...).

I have no interest in Coat d'Arms' business but I thought it might be interesting to know for some of you.

If anyone is interested, I will provide a feedback on using this painting brand. I will start my new Waaagh! with some of this and some new GW paint pots too.

Garslag

Posted 28 October 2017 - 05:47 AM

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I haven't tried those paints, but I have to admit to extreme dissatisfaction with new GW paints. The colors are lovely, but I hate the way they go on and the number of coats you have to use to get a good finish. So I'll be looking forward to your reviews and results.

BadAss Mazda!

Posted 04 November 2017 - 09:49 AM

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Hi Garslag and fellows,

I've finally done some testing with the Coat d'Arms paints. First I have to say that even if they look really close to the old GW paints, they are not exactly the same, a bit more liquid compared to how the GW painting use to be. At least from what I remember. But they are very nice looking colors, quite vibrant, perfect for highlights in my opinion.

Second, I use a white base coat for my Bad Moonz with a black wash to underline details, almost not painting on black anymore (but that might change again, I have to do some testing on that too).

NB : Even though I'm really happy with that method, I've noticed that the white base coat doesn't keep the painting really well and that you have to varnish your model really quickly after painting them to protect your hard work from vanishing from here and there when you handle them for painting or playing.

For me the new GW Base paints are quite satisfying in terms of covering power (your first layer of any color should always be a Base one not a Layer one).

I've not tryied the new Base yellow from GW on a black base coat, but I'm sure you'll need to put a layer of Base white before, in order to have a good result. It's a really good method to increase the covering power of some colors that needs a little help on black base coat. Note that, new GW paints are better on that point than old ones, for exemple the Mephiston Red is covering in one layer even on black coat, where the almost equivalent color of the old range, Blood Red would have needed multiple layers (or a white layer before hand to help it cover nicely).

Third, because I've not bought all the colors I need from Coat d'Arms yet, I've used them to highlight my GW Base paints. What I did is, painting the different areas with a GW Base and then used a mix of new GW and Coat d'Arms paint. And I'm quite happy with the result. Taking the best from both worlds...

Finally, I have to conclude on the life expectancy of thoses painting pots... Old GW, lasted almost forever, I have a pot of Deadly Nightshade that I found in my stuf that is perfectly useable and as new, something like 15 years after... when my new GW pots are almost already dead after a couple of years... the Dry are out, my Base yellow, brown, etc. are almost out... so not satisfied at all on that point.

Let's hope my feeling is good and that the Coat d'Arms will last as long as the old GW, which I belive will be because of the fluidity of the paint inside them.