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We take a critical dive into Circumcision, discuss wind energy, Solar Eclipse. Tom trys to get Dman to be interested, Adam takes over and he’s still not budging. And NASA gives us some alternative medicine, or is it.

My research for the topic that we are going to critically think and discuss today has revealed something interesting. You know how on the show always bring up the idea that we all build this house in our minds, that it is built by constructing our belief systems into a world-view? How sometimes someone has a belief on a topic that is important to that house. Well, today’s topic is one of the bearing walls for one of the members of the Critical Cactus here, and this belief holds up a lot of the house. MRI studies show that when you contradict someone’s belief, parts of the brain related to fight/flight light up and they can sometimes dig their heals in and argue from an emotional place. I think we are going to put that to the test today as we talk about Circumcision. The topic is fascinating, and we get to show our audience how we dig into emotional topics from a critical thinking perspective and hope they see how it can be different from what they find in a typical argument. I’ll be counting the fallacies on both sides of this one, but who’s keeping score.

the AUA recommends that circumcision should be presented as an option for health benefits

The CDC Conspiracy:
The idea that it’s a Billion Dollar industry so there is incentive for the CDC to continue allowing it.

Mutual masturbation when two men dock their penises together under mutual forskin. -Awesome.

Getting it back with specially designed weights.

Arguments against circumcision

“Nature makes no mistakes.”
It’s genital mutilation and a violation of human rights.
Doctors just do it to earn more money.
It’s cruel; babies suffer terrible pain.
Babies remember the pain.
There are permanent physiologic consequences: boys who were circumcised at birth are more sensitive to pain later in life.
The uncovered glans becomes less sensitive.
Circumcised men don’t get as much pleasure from sex.
Circumcised men are psychologically damaged.
Some men mourn their lost foreskin; some miss it so much that they try to reconstruct it.
The foreskin is required for the homosexual practice of “docking.”
An intact foreskin provides more scope for body art like piercings and tattoos.
There are complications from the surgery including hemorrhage, infection and even death (in one famous case a boy’s penis was accidentally burned off by an electrocautery device and they elected to raise him as a girl).
Other complications include poor cosmetic results and meatal stenosis.
If reconstructive surgery is needed later in life, an intact foreskin can provide tissue.
It’s elective surgery and the patient doesn’t get a choice in the matter.
Arguments FOR: https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/circumcision-what-does-science-say/

Conclusion:

I see no arguments for or against neonatal circumcision that sway me, if anything the HIV argument is persuasive for.

Doctors are not “pro” circumcision, but they’re not “con” either. The American Academy of Pediatrics’ official policy states:

“Existing scientific evidence demonstrates potential medical benefits of newborn male circumcision; however, these data are not sufficient to recommend routine neonatal circumcision. In circumstances in which there are potential benefits and risks, yet the procedure is not essential to the child’s current well-being, parents should determine what is in the best interest of the child.”

NOT GOOD INFO–> The study, by researcher Dan Bollinger, concluded that approximately 117 neonatal deaths due directly or indirectly to circumcision occur annually in the United States, or one out of every 77 male neonatal deaths.
https://www.circinfo.org

This guy Dan Bollinger, has no study, referrs to nothing, just asserts his estimate of 117/year on bad data that doesn’t account for base rate (males alwasy 6% higher infant mortality).
“Journal of boyhood studies” (presigious? gota pull out paypal $22 to see it)
A review of his study: http://circumcisionnews.blogspot.com/2010/05/fatally-flawed-bollingers-circumcision.html

Robert Baker estimated 229 deaths per year from circumcision in the United States. Bollinger estimated that approximately 119 infant boys die from circumcision-related each year in the U.S. (1.3% of all male neonatal deaths from all causes).
cirp.org
(I get .09 – .03%)

CDC info:
Number of infant deaths: 23,215
Deaths per 100,000 live births: 582.1
Leading causes of infant deaths
Congenital malformations, deformations and chromosomal abnormalities
Disorders related to short gestation and low birthweight: not elsewhere classified
Newborn affected by maternal complications of pregnancy

Good stats:
http://www.cirp.org/library/statistics/USA//

History of this debate:
10,000 (?) BCE Aboriginal tribes in central and desert regions of Australia introduce circumcision of boys as puberty rite

600 BCE First five books of Hebrew Bible (Torah) compiled, including Genesis with its reference to Yaweh’s command to Abraham to circumcise himself, his sons and his slaves and servants. Circumcision enforced by priests among Jewish people as sign of the Covenant.

ANNO DOMINI or Christian Era Jesus born and circumcised in accordance with Jewish practice.

132 Roman Emperor Hadrian (98-138 CE) extends a previous ban, by Emperors Domitian (81-96) and Nerva (96-98), on the castration of citizens or slaves throughout the Roman Empire, to include circumcision.

Can you find cancer in blood? Our guest can, and the world is a better place for it. Thanks Melanie O’Donahue for coming on and a shout out to the folks at flowjo.com for making huge strides in cancer research. Comparing Homeopathy with Flow Cytometry is a great way to contrast real science with alternative medicine.

Do you believe in Homeopathy? The idea is simple, and we have all the details.

Lame transcript:
Welcome back I’m your host Adam Yax and of course your favorite cohosts are here with me today Adam Dominguez and Tom Begush. We do have a guest today which was super excited about she’s a real scientists doing work in the blood cancer technologies that is both in research and clinical so we’ll have a lot to talk about I’m always excited to talk to somebody that knows about the subject and works with the diagnostic since we will be diving into homeopathy today I think having someone on who, regularly evaluates human blood with this is is very appropriate because homeopathy is my opinion it cannot diluted and to be nice talk about how to live with the blood all day can tell us what would it looks like you know something to that ability to will be talking with her later on so so it is wholemeal homeopathy and hurt his homeopathy I thought I heard homeopathic remedy of for homeopathy as the industry to the problem is when you only read things in text you never know you I ever homey don’t play the but what I should do here is just quickly intrude you smell so she can be part of the conversation so our guest today is Melanie Donahue hello hello thanks thanks for comment I know that you’ve been on traveling the US talking about the world yeah the world talking about what you got going on there and want to give you chance to but that’s a little bit but I think Tom has some news about today is Saturday, August 12 the day we are recording this and in approximately nine days on August 21 will be the first total solar eclipse to touch the continental United States in 99 years nine panels it is going to proceed on a diagonal path from Oregon all the way down to Florida from where we are in Arizona is a 13 Hour Dr. if you want to be in the totality which should last about 2 1/2 two minutes 15 seconds depending and you better make plans now because hotels along the totality already hooked up and crazy expensive already and I know people that are planning on on making the drive and just camping on the side of the highway because they can’t find anywhere to stay and if you don’t have your glasses already you need to get him I’ve heard that some people order glasses from China that aren’t done right is to be a lot of people some trouble has make sure you do your research and get some authentic real actually going to protect your eyeballs glasses because if you don’t you’ll be blind to poke a hole in cardboard and put it over and is looking at a shadow when you get that pinhole is your a this frequencies ultraviolet frequencies whatever they deserve to hurt people and I’ve also heard people improvising with welders glasses inside on the hand more but is also not really recommended because the sun is different than welding yeah white seas that are going to show up in the winning energy frequencies you know your shot shot of cell frequency same energy anyway and I consider resolving the signs in the April adjustment of the clips know 99 years to knowledge out the earth really is round and I mean to experience all of the things that I don’t see solar clips proves that the sound will no doubt here telling thank you Mr. contrary and clips is when the sun and the moon passes between the sun right so is solar… When the sun passed between the moon and their now know the sun passed between the moon and the no as you have a SPF like 900 on that day a lunar eclipse is when the earth passes between the sun in the moon and the earth cast a shadow on the moon a solar eclipse is when the moon passes between the sun and the earth thereby casting a shadow on the earth for you okay not as interesting as the lower now definitely not definite but if you don’t get a chance to make this solar clips in the next 30 years there are two more coming up okay so start planning now on is like 2030 and one as I hear 45 or something missing, yes in the continental you or or discussion to have led the way for a lot of people it’s a very surreal experience to go to Sedona maybe spiritual experience in a way I know it’s hard surreal taking hits hard for a lot of atheists and skeptics and step up science thinking people to experience spirituality and phenomenon in a lot of ways but natural phenomenon especially something this rare in this amazing is pretty intense and worth it if you can make the trip I take what I want to say I want to see when the sun explodes that’s what I’m about to get back to me for a half-billion years going to look like here in Arizona were only going to see a very small sliver of we we will be in the penumbra of the we won’t be in the totality but we will be in the part of the clips so will be something it’ll just look like a cloud passes in front of the sun but I mean if you if you really want to experience the amazingness of a solar eclipse you got to travel to Lake Idaho or Wyoming for some other concern Montana I don’t know if it’s in Montana you can notice gets solar eclipse 2017.org or eclipse 2017.org it’s a big deal in the flat Earth community and I don’t actually think. It’s flat but if if you have this conspiracy theory that NASA’s really only purpose is to control the human thought that the earth really is round and when you get to the polls you really at the edge and then you believe a listing of the flattered people believe a solar eclipse is something that they can actually experience to completely mathematically wipe out the concept of a flatter if the earth is flat wouldn’t the round disk of the earth you know the disc-shaped coin yes you asked a circular shadow and what the problem is is to compensate for gravity this disc is traveling at a certain speed all right were accelerator accelerating consistently or not just traveling at us that speed either because once you do a set speed of gravity goes a losing as you continue to be going faster continually forever which makes a solar eclipse and impossibility in their math equation of the physics that they believe the world works and so if you can experience a solar eclipse you can experience the thing is like being on the moon when somebody says all the moon landing wasn’t was a hoax you can be on the moon in this particular hoax and go away I’m watching it knowing that it’s not a hoax there’s really you know the beliefs are in effect basis that it would be so as I said is get up early with everyone very real is all I know we currently second so if I have to be continually accelerating on our flat earth it would be very interesting to do the math oh yeah I know were already gone way past be like yeah so there that was question we exceeded, although math is a human construct created by the government control people I heard that aluminum foil hats actually concentrate the mind control waves instead of slowing the minute okay those I think you think about helpful is if you have the means to make it I highly recommend you go see it I know quite a few people trying to get up there with our fees and if you’re in Australia most of our listeners ignore all those associative it’s flat there’s really is flat I know you’re right everybody with you take that atheists arming flatter Thursday slump everybody and some word literally metal authority is a common medium check made atheists okay I have is I was not that the day so demand you did a little research on this one incredibly little take what I thought so I wasn’t there to talk about what was it all about what wire we find are what we find is beautiful and really all you only talked about the same thing that I think most people already knows most of symmetry and hormones will the store or the story that the research was the man wanted to he was actually looking for criminal element and he took all the different pictures of criminals to see if a criminal had a quote unquote certain look and when he compiled them all in one composite visitor image he realized that the image he had made was beautiful and it made them wonder what is it that makes us think something is beautiful could clearly these are not good people why do we think that they’re beautiful so they got into you know into the holiest of symmetry of her symmetry before pressure right loin you know they say a lot of like beautiful work of art stuff are based off of phi and so are like the world most beautiful people based based off of what five finalists for the Golden ratio Google fine it’s it’s a really fast and that superfast Internet note that the golden ratio have to look that hard to do that I’m generally going ratio you really all that’s what I was using it in the deep south of cells the show you this is a is to be is a B is to see yeah okay so what like third third third now so basically that the golden ratio is a perfect spiral is from the center and you work your way out it symmetrically goes out perfectly and so we base a lot of of our feelings of beauty towards that the other thing is is hormones are chemistry and they’re talking about how estrogen like a certain level of estrogen makes women prettier and that with the crêpe of the guys discussed around doesn’t actually make them prettier what makes them is stronger but it also makes them weaker people that have more testosterone are more prone to like disease injury and injury so the reason why women find testosterone attractive doesn’t have anything to do with their ability to fight off disease it’s that obviously they’re so powerful that they don’t need to worry about it it’s the same as like a guy the more money as so like a guy with a Casio watches, gross but a guy with $10,000 watches super attractive was that easy to watch it’s the car – so when they compiled the pictures of all of these you say these are criminals right to figure out when world your dad really prison as beautiful as I note in the whole story actually goes out of a bummer that was the most intriguing part about the value the sale of a particular person in the show actually met him like I don’t I didn’t see the beautiful but I don’t final dude beautiful Saugus roses maybe they did that study know all sorts of different groups of people and concatenate the images together if you have the same thing because if you take a whole bunch of images and concatenate an entry is going to be improved over two on this as I only remember words concatenate mean it doesn’t hurt do not any fillable ID the dictionary or lexicon of the summer is all do that is the sensors are okay I better learn seven pretty sure everybody already knew that symmetry hormone is discovered literally nothing I thought that there would be some neurology and thereabouts zero it was an interesting that we about a peacock as well oh well the male and female data to you one thing I did learn I didn’t know that if you pick up the PM today learn that is just need to take a quick break to mention our sponsor E campus you have textbooks while seldom shop shipping is free I get paid or given in-store credit for books that you need for the next class that you have go to critical cactus.net/son your ex today back to the show but I wanted to do was get an idea what you’re up to now you sent me a syllabus of what you’ve got going on and it’s very industry-specific is not yeah so it it was good I know was good because there are words I never heard and there were there were words and there are a lot of resume to address the best words isolate words like the a and all the other ones were just too big but it it gave me an idea of what you’re doing and I think I I think in this is where you’re going to correct me but I think you doing some awesome cancer research and write yes all right we love it for you back is cancers going down so the most promising research that I’ve been able to dig up over the last couple days is the with there’s a lot of cancers of the drug research there’s no there’s the imaging there’s also two different areas of research but the area the rate of research that I thought I heard was most promising is in early detection early detection is the you know a big part of it can you talk to us little bit about what you’re doing and is him in my right did I kinda evaluated you got some equipment that you’re working with right know what I worked for 20 years and ask for laboratory during flow cytometry which is the type of testing is a country as a way of using lasers and monoclonal antibodies with floor crumb markers to identify and act self-service cell on economic event that is pushing a bunch of fish has to when you recognition of this way bluefish that a big fish small fish whenever you’ve sorted them out and now you can identify them and you can work with them and and learn from them or them in some other manner that’s flow cytometry ideas for cytometry noticed in my career is looking a lymphoma without diagnosing people with blood cancers and monitoring the treatment and hopefully into remission at Southeast in research and you almost anything for cytometry and research that huge and viral research vaccine research cancer research know everything at every new discovery that you hear about you as far as early detection and treatment of genetic ever using for the noun working with this company ran an international level going out and educating people and improving the science and am working from the software perspective and create in improving the data analysis you do that well you imagine the massive massive amounts of data while I want to give you some love for what you’re doing and I use data for that because I’m such an emotional guy come into my feelings so I used a therapist I really appreciate the Dr. Seuss explanation of what is a country that guy in the flesh no idea what you’re talking about the yeah red Fish blue Fish yes right there with you demand and I cancel the picture here little over a site early detection’s huge if you don’t understand the if the impact Unlimited of your quick obit a number from the data side stage one cancer defined cancer at stage 192% survival rate but if you don’t find cancer until stage 270% survival rate and it gets worse as you go if you don’t find cancer till stage 339% survival rate and if you don’t find that cancer until stage IV is a 17% survival rate and some of these cells don’t die off with chemotherapy of the drugs and those that don’t so you get this really nice length of time where you don’t have cancer and it’s wonderful to get your life back but those little bloggers who die off their left and they’re the ones that were resistant to whatever treatment you were given those guys fro and you come back that’s what they say comes back with a vengeance because of those ones aren’t as treatable so in the middle between the time you’re done and the time you get tested again if the tests are very good you might end up finding that you were in stage II versus three by the time they find it again and you’re saying it with what were doing we can find it sooner and have more sensitive let me say a couple at the first of all what you got there are probably good statistics but they’re very very generic yes all big Google old in their freaking out saying I have stayed straight breast cancer I have no chance yeah that’s not right rate so it varies greatly but tape subsets not all of those are lumped together and this was a 2014 or 2012 data so but it’s definitely significant earlier you can better said that so the better tests to come up with on and I did a talk at on-site which is one of the bank in Bothell industry talk conferences recently and one of the topics on top of this was misdiagnosis yeah 12 million people in the United States are misdiagnosed you yesterday and ends that like just enormous amount of people to the sensitivity and accuracy of the sensitivity so how sensitivity is basically finding it even though it’s just a little bit there right now you sensitivity so that you can find them at that stage I really can I’ve heard that the Jeanette you said genomics and I’ve heard that big things have changed Alaska for years with the with the genome of it because they’ve done a lot of work on that you know that if you have a cancer of any kind really in your body that it’s gonna shed some of your blood and then is there any blood and these people are trying to go oh well we can find students blood it is that sort of some of the sorting that you guys are able to do as well as to identify some of that sent there’s a lot of work being done and they part when I company doing now you’re getting salads and sequencing and instead of looking at a few and maybe hundred thousand cells now are looking 20,001 tonight I’m at the seasonal status you have a lot more information that we can look at on the metabolism of demons how to make environment that is exactly what is happening as fast as a DD like a supercomputer to process all this data or something, so they one of the things and so it kind of gone from flow cytometry to genomics now my company has just come out with new data analysis software called seeking as the cute DEQ and on clever bank may have in order to process all this information you have to have faith incredible coding skills in a language called our and and and Philly have this whole new field of what are called bio and fermentation in a basically basically mathematician diet with biological information cool I love is there a very unique breed if you are more than engineers like know English is horrible when I gave my tie case that you know what an algorithm is don’t you and Nathan algorithm is whether bio and petition says when you want to explain what he did and if you have anyway so on and then he would still take you months to get your data and you still wouldn’t have been there label everything out all of the conclusion that now so now basically put at it so you can do that anyone can do now and this is on a case-by-case basis in the clinical environment are just in research murmuring right now it’s just recently subside that’s the extent of my knowledge I went way beyond that like with the first sentence well he’s talking about learned am no talking about supercomputers I can imagine Mr. DNA talking about dinosaurs have on the drowsy bark but maybe I can use some anecdotal personal experience that ties some of the topics together we love anecdotal evidence why would we now do you bring the hard science I’ll bring the anecdote rate*you cancer are you I am a cancer on Reddit will burn more scope for us to know and when I got the reference anyway and little evidence that’s my thing but go to sell at a family member who is recently been re-diagnosed with cancer the unit I’m to try to keep this generic because I was a little long talk about but the issue it was intestinal cancer and so my family member was having a hard time going to the bathroom yesterday went to the doctor and actual doctor not homeopathic like a real doctor and he got put on you know he got put in a high-fiber diet is a diet yet but although low fiber diet high protein diet all kinds of different diets and then you know 912 months later he still is having a hard time going to the bathroom and he goes and sees another doctor and is like TAKING x-ray lo and behold a gas tumor while in his intestine irony literally yeah there’s a joke in there somewhere I’m sure there is so anyway recently had surgery using chemo now and he’s recovering is doing much better but if the doctor had just started out with an x-ray or a CAT scan or a blood test or some sample not that’s the thing about this yeah sinfulness of a blood test especially when you go in Third World countries need to look you know that’s because blood tests are very expensive you well if you can just draw somebody’s blood and then send it to a lab and have that lap do some flow set that I had it I know we actually give our software away free to on anyone in Africa is doing really all that is too cool so in then boom you can get some idea what’s going on in there without the x-ray from when I stand I mean now your song about blood cancer specifically that you’re doing clinical work with right that’s when you find you’re not finding breast cancer in the blood right defined no solid tumors right leukemia is a finding that malignancies not actually understood those desk nice whenever my head all you know it hematologic means something with blood right you can infer and cause it is logical blood and it is silly, just have anybody you know malignant mean that that’s not not good that her talk about the system slide deck for not just take him out peripheral blood talking about bone marrow and hold lymphatic system as well and so so that spreads about how much different types of cancer you guys can pick up on some you mean well wearing eight they usually originate in one place and regulate all of the other things that you need to know where did it originate like that and then has its other places I’ve never thought of blood as being on the periphery it’s really weird when the extremities I guess like I keep all my blood inside the internal blood that’s where you keep your for the most part it’s not what Steve Jobs dialed in Susie right there on time to while uterus cancer and homeopathy yeah he does a very he had a treatable design zone I had a cancer I think he died of completely ignoring the doctors to do I mean still the pancreatic cancer I thought that he had one of the E rare versions that actually was treatable right now but he decided to go on like an all fruit diet instead of manually seeking Millie had some serious homeopathy is an alternative medicine it’s close enough what is like a fruit diet to treat cancer yeah there there are homeopathic doctors that will have a also learned that’s an oxymoron I know they will have no other school for that and I mean certificates than it gets knots and it almost it will over the next I guarantee you 1020 years turn into what we think of as legitimate and other industries where you start to say some licensing happening and then once it’s licensed by state and always given a little more legitimacy in the pre-since totally legit but I mean you can go to homeopathic that a lot of people do you I’ve heard the people are not vaccinating their pets the same because they’re afraid the dog is going to get autism to the human condition so I my body with diagnosable and artistic die all one well my dad was enough did not put a vessel as valuable maybe need an event I though the first mirror had anybody say is optional she’s like oh it’s good to be an indoor cat now that I like them full of everything you’ve got, the Academy and everything just in case I want swollen and are you like I got out that it I need to take a moment here to mention our sponsor E set antivirus I trust you set not only does it keep you keep the system safe but it’s small snowblower where it will not slow down your business servers and desktops clinics PCs mags on file servers Web servers to try it out help us out go to critical cactus duck/set and secure your system now so Melanie what’s what’s the next step for your work you what you need both to the one I like expand upon what you doing yeah you know you need don’t like or get a prayer for her is okay well I’m doing now is an individual and on is working at an international level with international committee for standardization and quality in flow cytometry so I am problem with researchers is that they like all wanted to way all you and Andy have that way of thinking of just interesting interesting now but, that is there has to be some standardization of everything you do has to be reproducible and obviously gets to go toward being a companion diagnostic or treatment or or drivers are actually contributing to the system with a do something new needs to be wrapped in so that ended same way and we meet my guy so I’m working with I with that international committees and I’m also on where we are working with FDA of regulating this process is there and you know how now actually met some people the real and there is an ideal how could it could be better and should be better probably has been away for a long time but they haven’t disappeared him out there now okay artist’s communal Department of Justice. Getting them to understand what it what the science actually is said that they can then properly regulated because what they want to do is just say oh well you should have three sets of controls in your okay well I understand how you think that is logical but in this case it’s not all don’t understand what were doing here that the challenge working with the FDA but basically works in the top down lets you know it’s regulate this standardized bring everybody up to a certain level of quality work was doing great work it’s yeah like herding yeah Chevrolet so nothing was ever considered pseudoscience you know what flows closed cytometry I don’t think it was always legitimate and is about a Mediterranean here you relatively new that that usefulness has just first came out doing well in English 798 man and drum so dramatic from where where I started where it is now a conflict drop in abbreviations like your start doing flow yeah no I I was thinking she told me that I can’t where he referred to is just flow by itself the beginning of a similar is having the words low in flow cytometry create so much fun for honestly serving like going to fly low and have all day and never ending that the people I work on the nerdiest in now from what I read that you sent us which I didn’t understand most of it I understand that you’re trying to automate a lot of these procedures of the human element of well yes and now I don’t think grabbing a human element out of that that the E hypothesis that I am entered the study with and let me back up next to you how flat cytometry data is so typically on your path and he felt by laser hand the fluorescence marker on it is causing an omission which has the digital pop ankle and I got this digital policy got something that you can actually work with and were looking at pattern recognition to say there’s 10 cancel different markers on a cell for each cell you can say okay well was there an omission for this marker site can say yes or no for each of the 10 Mark Nadine is for 10,000 S. and information to this mass so what happens is is you use.plots on bivariate two-dimensional… On and and look at these different combinations of by looking for patterns and use those patterns to identify major cell type analogies different subgroups of friends and secondly it’s a white Olympus iron Egypt allocates in its length in the T cell or the entity will be seller and abnormal cell lines of that this huge complex on the recognition to flow decision tree typing yes exactly the flowchart not needed to do that I can do one more habitats are very very attached there’s a lot of color and there’s a lot of pattern and there’s a lot of pride in learning what normal alert looks like versus various disease states on so now there’s this push this trend and let the, to use automated analysis which is the algorithm that violent limitations have created and play cluster on cluster recognition might okay it appears that the center concentration and that means that this population the Masons in it and it’s all driven by Albert writing very hard to very hard to trust especially when I call the people because you’re diagnosing some yeah there is an eight-year-old who might or might not have acute leukemia you given the wrong diagnosis the wrong diagnosis means he either way you actually write anything you have very dozen either way there on your system and I have been there I patients misdiagnosed on anyway so to give up and trust an algorithm to do this for you that the study I did talk with to take 26 different specimens bone marrow than peripheral blood on a variety of different these states and on compare manual analysis to automate it and it we got on at a linear regression of point 9 1/2 measures of heaven so basically when you think I like the finance and align a matched 99% while so this is like when Tesla saying sitter cars drive for us in Kenaston yeah probably writing is probably better than good and let the algorithm to the driving if and only studies that I’m sure you’re aware of on human bias we always yeah we can do something better than severely and then you throw Dunnigan there dying Kruger and all about the numbers thinking all about the statistics are a number is that not a lot exactly the statistics show that the algorithms are better now that’s great that when I get out of that but were saying we can see time and we can make it more accurate you should still look at it we still need a person to do the interpretation of that and that we can make the process better and these algorithms are standardized kind of is that another thing you try to do her and said avid individual receives well the right path and I think there are a number of different academic institutions trying to do this on to what we had to do as he had to get together this summit sort of thing called flow Where weight when he actually took all of these different algorithm that people are using okay and then have Allah the actual metrics like these where is down this works better in this situation are matter what time I’m on my at work, on my study with that person the lab giving you the absolute sorry made number one performer automated analysis okay the one whose algorithm has out beat everyone else’s, you that Michael called side effects and it’s in Vancouver right very cool while shot to them because anybody doing this stuff is really helping whole world’s could stuff the MLM is a thank you note amazing job of humanizing something a topic that seems like it could be very scary cancer and in all these big words in science and really brought it home I think for a lot of people that feel comfortable in learning more about fish. While I wonder when you’re looking at this flood and you say some of the Fisher ransom of blue are any of them just like homeopathic 11 out of every 100 million, consisting they be there be in the blood we feel this is something that we think everything I really appreciate on one of the reasons I have the job that I do now and so perfect for me because I’m a scientist and an eight love the intellectual aspect I’m doing but I also love to teach and I love to talk to people in its both yeah this is like the perfect job ready to go out as a world and teach the science that I loved I in either of those things generally people you know people are signed I love people so I’m trying to get smart people together to talk with other people because I’m not like the people and these two don’t I’m more of a burnout person yeah I know you are ideas can stand me for at least an hour to burn your steak I had twilight all hours up to him I cannot not I don’t please episode is brought to you by one and 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isn’t due to vaccinations but we’ve got on which McCullough the breathing one rabies known tetanus: of pneumonia now it’s the one that it was a really on Russian prisons whooping cough that I may leave our come on so a rush of the three low system circulars of thank you be okay my initial a big way we got healed her TB owners for TV I’m super excited about the yeah yeah so anyway so before we go to far down this tangent talking with a plague how to cure them non-attendance at love you know well you know me how what so if were to talk about a fruit diet not being homeopathy than what’s out what constitutes homeopathy okay so homeopathy has a very specific definition I would like to point out that just because something is old and just because something is ancient does not mean that it is wisdom not the timing is valid is Chinese secret I have the fallacy of the yet is no extra credibility there just because it’s €5000 a month and they say all we’ve been doing this for hundreds of years and while you still have that the committee yes I know dinosaurs are real because their old it really happened so homeopathy any of it is when you say it people think of all these you know all my mom says that I need to do this for this particular thing or whatever right but it’s chicken noodle soup but when skeptics talk about homeopathy there saying the treatment of disease by minute doses of natural substances that in a healthy person would produce symptoms of disease so you can take something like snake venom okay you take some snake venom is usually not think benefits usually something like the bubonic plague of and you put a little tiny bit of it in some water and then you start up and then you take that watering you dilute it and dilute it but with more and more water pouring it into bigger and bigger containers until this very very little if anything nothing left in there and the thought is, magical thought where now the tiniest little bit of this that can’t hurt me is in there so I’m going to consume it in the energy of it will now be part of my energy and together we can no longer be afraid of the thing that that it was originally an SourceSafe sounds a vaccine of is already asked – except now you’re treating you well know I mean there’s a huge difference because like when you when you vaccinate someone aside from all the stuff that can kill you and is best this Mercury we can versions of of whatever it is that they’re trying to vaccinate your consumer so defending this two different types of vaccines I think right side and dad as well so weakened or dead so that you can produce antibodies against that particular disease array but in homeopathy there is nothing there for you to produce antibodies against its associate is so diluted and it’s like saying I’m up for this Coke into the Pacific the Pacific Ocean and then the specific I’m going to go like I did that somewhere in California and I want to fly over to Hawaii and get my cop and pull little bit of water out and be like all right now that’s how diluted were talking I’d read a manager is actually not unless there’s nothing I actually read an analogy about that about adding drops to the ocean though it’s it’s way worse way small have it it would be like if you took a Coke you took an eyedropper to drop the back of the drop in the now I’m drinking now to coax and now my body say that you have nothing left but there’s also there’s some ritualistic aspects to it as well when you know to shake it up used was licked happy to get the leather bound book 00 cool that’s the interesting now that I man you know that there is books there as I can and others calls know that so homey and diluted homeopaths have these books there like dictionaries to basically tell you what you’re supposed to apply to any given element and the quote” updated so they’re all super all socially comes to my whooping cough you you I should probably look at the name of books and call it something vague but they do have names you look at the book you apply these tinctures to your to your solution either alcohol or distilled water and then you begin to the deletion process and the guy that that started homeopathy he believed that the more diluted something was the better it was for you so long to signal real while I will there’s a guy who thinks the that make sense yeah less of something that’s in there the more effective rashes that he that makes sense automatically correlation how we burst out yeah relation dosages and stuff but I mean if that’s the case I think it was the all well what’s the harm if it makes people feel better what’s the harm on the farm and everything that we think of as natural apathy or apathy and that they’re not going to get actual medical treatment right yeah there it is a case Steve Jobs if you have a migraine and there is a pill for you to take that says and maybe has a slight Siebel affect maybe you wanted to be true so you’re just telling yourself I don’t really have the static you know it is the only headaches are sometimes can be all a little heart any sort of pain specific inside your body is not something you measure wares of your elbow just doesn’t you know bend all the way you can measure a goal and how it bends a little bit better another thing medicine with a headache you can’t really objectively define how bad it is you know success so if you have this pill that you’re taking and it’s sort of making a better bet you have a persistent headache from the time you wake up to the timing of that day in and day out in India if you’re not taking this homeopathy business seriously than maybe a little doctor and maybe the find the tumor that’s causing a headache in the beginning instead of taking this pill in China tell yourself you’re okay for even like again from what stage to what stage are you take this homeopathy treatment all the way through stage I until you’re in stage II when I have a now your survivor is lesser chance of surviving so the harm is real it really is there so and it’s a huge industry the alternative medicine business alone is $34 billion billion with we be and US$34 billion yeah yeah so I got to get in on some of that would put it in perspective is not as if the cancer industry in general isn’t huge but the cancer drug market alone is $100 billion so you’re talking about homeopathy being kind of in the same sort of ballpark as actual cancer drugs when you go from 100 billion to 34 billion that’s not too far off in the US alone 6.4 billion and that is homeopathic pills know when I say the entire homeopathic industries dirty 4 billion I’m talking about homeopathic doctors me empathic remedies not just homeopathy funeral home Mayhill’s yeah the little pills and you can buy the single my but will but obviously this industry is heavily regulated and sewn on there could be O awaits no no no longer an old so you don’t even really know what’s in their Skanska quality controls program interject so the the name of the books are called materia America so they use book called materia Medicare and repertoires repertoires being books that were compiled by other researchers okay other than the original dying right and what year we talking about so the inventor was 16th-century 1755 1843 his name is Samuel Hanneman to get it revived it from like ancient Greek texts or something is on the gave it its name argumentation from antiquity yet is what is this that some homeopathic stuff that I may or may not have in my house: so what you do when you live with somebody I mean very intelligent person one of the smartest people you’ve ever met who likes all I know I sort of saying it’s a thing I have friends that are completely unaware that this you know this is coming up stuff I think that you you you need to know yourself if you’re asking me my penis I think you need to know yourself whether or not this person has one of those conditions where they are there actively avoiding taking full responsibility for a big problem by doing this or if they’re just you know appeasing something and it’s just as fine and I mean is there are certain circuits were just like mine all my neck is sore let’s rub raisins on it again when I lavender oil that I think that as I have that really strict definition that you gave it I’ve never heard of of homeopathy right in general I think there’s this huge industry of alternative has been in people who are homeopathic natural path and there they are giving things actually can be very harmful yeah like you said is not regulated for any vitamin B 17 inches cyanide alignment/vitamins out there in a shine melatonin and somebody that anything there’s no quality control and regulation is not sufficient testing for 70 think those are they really could be some James Randy one of my favorite old school been around long time skeptics he does this get where he takes on stage sleeping pills and he will take a whole bottle of the sleeping pill rate on stage where everybody can see and he said he later says well just you guys know that was sleeping pills and I took about six days worth of sleeping pills clearly a fatal dose but they are homeopathic sleeping pills so it even says on the bottom there’s warnings and more warnings and warnings on the back there’s a note be careful you don’t overdose is all these things needs down the whole bottle and it sounds you know if it makes his point which is these are diluted there’s nothing in here but then you talk about regulation you James please don’t do that because you know what’s in there they could put anything in and it’s like the supplement is its falls to the supplement with all the supplements does not regulated muscle builders yeah yeah and you take it your risk sort of thing but it’s it’s a scary thought I mean not not to defend what he’s doing although he does make a good point I mean if it’s that their true homeopathic remedies in the the point is that you should know that they are diluted to the point of being an effective because that is what homeopathy is homeopathy until you could look at the manufacturing and just don’t know you know you think a lot better thought out now now now I am 100% perfect so get this straight I’m not sure that I understand completely I can take a drop of what ever some some something you know the juice that’s can it cure me and I diluted in a diluted and I diluted in this water and the water like some do it it affects the water’s energy yeah and that energy gets in to but is not usually it’s usually it’s different in that it it is like let’s say some pus from somebody’s arm whose disgusting that’s about to fall off they’ll take a tiny bit of epos and say that was the source of whatever it was that was causing this guy’s problem which you could ask a doctor how many different things could have that sort of a color’ wont determine what it originally was if you really want to okay but you can take that and you can take a small amount of that and you can put that a little bit of in some water and then you go to this whole dilution massive dilution process which is not actually not a cheap process they have to do a lot of diluting okay and then you’re taking that so you’re taking some green pastas we’re taking anyway continue beets I was a child okay I try to try to understand what what were putting in my body and and what were doing and just water solution that are still not grocers of the water remember this plus energy yes but yet I mean why doesn’t the water remember everything that’s ever been in a deadly good argument fish that sanding municipal sewage so for that approaches argument I think that’s why they use alcohol or the water for the most part these like alcohol ethanol for diluting the because this water is remembering Ray as meaning would be never safe to drink water you have any here is true here in Flint don’t do it but you really long thing that you do for a really long time it was bad to have the water a minute to come along time to connect a lot of diseases the one I leave there yeah beer yeah good stuff while and it helped a lot for a lot I mean were all here because beer our ancestors would’ve lived through it if it hadn’t been for that distillation process is so good such a good point why does the water remember everything so real quick to get back to Tom’s legal beat thing modern-day homeopath they actually they’ve gotten even lazier they’ve started to do things like capture the sunlight and water NT here some modern homeopathic preparation the call imponderables because they do not originate from a substance but some other phenomena presumed to have been captured by alcohol or lactose examples include x-rays and sunlight and if you want to find crazy people you crazy people how gullible are you there is all of us here including me including you because were human and back in the day we had to take shortcuts and we still do members a minority group that they believe other minority practices include paper preparations were the substance and dilution are written on a piece of paper and either pinned to the patient or put in their pockets or place under a glass of water and then use Radeon next to basically absorb the belief of the fakir to get better yeah I I don’t want to believe that’s true I just don’t remember the last the last podcast we were talking about sovereign citizens and it was very difficult for us to put ourselves in the minds of some who truly believes. Not me out totally severance of you are in I know you’re not you are invited from the coming he is trying to take her had to go to the DMV again but now we have to do the same thing and this is our this is our thing right we have to put ourselves in the mind of someone who’s like all in on the idea that you can right now you do not have headaches sticking in your pocket and have some scientific evidence that that’s no work and I think that people confuse anecdotal evidence and stories with with real evidence I had this thought of what if my doctor is lie would have a lot of doctors are lying to us about our our blood pressure if you go to the mall the there’s a guy usually there that’ll give you a magnetic bracelet you can put on your hand and you put your arms out and pushing your shoulders and and you know without the bracelet you’ll just fall but with the bracelet you’ll have the be balanced and honest and it’s it’s just physics this is a simple trick is to trick magicians use at all it is to it when you get your blood pressure tested in your arms down your blood pressure is higher than if your arms and if you put your arm off so that you I even higher even with your high it with with your heart and your blood pressure will be a much more accurate number and as you lifted higher higher above your head lower in the lower Laura gets until if you have blood pressure taken from you are way up high know they’re not adjusting for that factor when they’re giving you those numbers in the doctor’s office yesterday was her for standing person and you get it across your legs and if your feet are touching hours is up so if my if my feet are just dangling which they always are is those tables are way up there and the nurses just strap and the thing onto my arm just moving along with her day she doesn’t care and I get this number next thing you know I’ve got a 1500 Arcot cardiologist bill that that’s not legitimate is not saying that I’m missing in real Edison life think they think that they’re very aware of that doctors only you and me on and said hello must never take action on a letter okay I’ll do multiple lines on another comic my Monticello beast that can put on her arm to put on her wrist that’s way less accurate I the important thing is that she takes it every day and is a way using the same thing to monitor yeah big work on an incident you’re looking for, you are right houses in the scientific were talking about things that are real and ways that people respond to real data what’s happening when I stick a piece of paper my pocket is anybody going to that that critical thought is going yeah okay placebo or returned to the mean this is why I II these people are not stupid people who are going okay well I think that if the human condition like it worked once so it works okay yeah the gown you as an intelligent person do something that’s teleological you do the two things you so in the research for this topic that I came across was the return to the meeting lane well okay you got a cold what happens on day one of the cold you’re getting worse your sick your sniffly however when I go to whatever was on day to your it depends where usually it’s getting worse right with a 3 to 45 years yes I’m a lawyer may be having little doctor so you’re you’re returning to normal you are returning to the meeting you had a headache maybe you can have a headache for three or four hours how do you know I’m not gonna write so but you have a headache that’s gonna go away in three hours anyway and you know you take that homeopathic remedy and it goes away it goes away or you take that homeopathic remedy and your your cold starts to go away the next day you start to feel a little better or you know send us the pattern finding brain going nuts yes yeah you put in a hope trust power beliefs online do something that you did you know that that made you feel better and your can run with that and remember that – I just look superstitions asked somebody tell you it works in you believe them just goes on you to a down the rented two and a $34 billion I get some of that yeah yeah so what I like would totally sell snake over $35 billion I wouldn’t hold your can I am more honestly I know you he is not do it you Frazier what you and I know you would I’m in power corrupts right you’re just hoping really please let me be corrupt I have a happy life that don’t get it okay no but. If you take less and less of this thing and the less you take the better right one of the things that James Randy said was there’s a story of the guy who had major headaches and he stopped taking his pill and died as he overdosed a very careful you start those who evaluated the defective take nothing pretty sure the map checks out so but then there’s only doctors which is a totally different thing than just homeopathy also my new wax mighty you moron if it was real medicine it wouldn’t of been called alternative medicine… And called medicine you pseudoscience while when you look at the studies in man they have tried in critical trials to prove that homeopathy’s real thing they’ve given these people medicine they’ve done the controls of the placebo-controlled double-blind tried to do reproduction never never wants to have anything more than noise you know it’s never never any data this part of the law and any benefits he could get from a homeopathic treatment because in theory like in theory if you got your paws on like the flu virus and you weakened it and put it in violently drink it there’s a small chance you can develop an antibody it if you had a sore mouth and got in your blood stress system to allow me because got in your blood like 90 chance of that happening is removed when you diluted again in the game over it’s too bad it’s it sucks because like all of these topics I want to be so want to be true I really don’t know that I want this one to be true I I wanted to be some magic energy I mean I’m up at my hands either my trust and sign them okay with that one you all dragons and magic will meet you bedroom but you know what we still call the science magic is just science we haven’t discovered a yellow when I do dialysis the machine sitting next magical and don’t know what the hell it does but yes you do somebody does you do I sort of know well probably you would never make it LOL I was think about Gilligan’s Island deservedly okay now anything they bring in the giant vat of acid in the molecular with the put through my blood no sharper in order okay okay and you know the got a giant that of alkaline water in a bunch of other stuff but I’m pretty sure would kill me yeah remember Alice cloud, cloud Atlas was a catalyst yeah okay yes one church are you sure you for the first time you really is a really good movie when it was the doctor, the doctor one of the versions Tom Hanks with the rest earlier member and he was making that guy sicker and sicker and sicker because he wanted a key of the doctor is that’s, are you putting your trust in that person will idea you guys are talking about all lost is an old movie really that all I also apparently a pretty good but I’ve heard it’s an amazing book probably a better book because the kid talking stuff I liked it really will the thing is I like it because it it made sense like English English is really devolving it is so I was a bit like transfer it to the vault even further further in the future it was just like cloud Atlas like clockwork trick or a popcorn this up all yeah it’s definitely worth watching a no doubt that you will well that’s a sore neck section which is to think of NASA for something something and all the blue I found out that memory foam was not just a side effect of NASA Ness actually put together a very specific effort to say hey we need something for pilots and all that key memory foam and I like the memory foam mattresses and pillows they you help well at night yeah they released they released it to the public consider and we’ve done our thing in Nairobi can have some of it for free it’s like another cause visitors technology now they deal yet I’ll go sell at a space-age technology and it was like so basically anything in the last 60 years the space age technology yeah pretty much sure well thank you everyone for joining me today it’s been a great talk and I wanted to think the audience for being here you guys have any questions regarding’s and got like as you feared that you accept thousands of great feedback would be awesome but I think request Melanie where can we learn more about you or David twitter do you have a Facebook what you do to stay people mostly LinkedIn that he can let me on LinkedIn Melanie and Danny and that and an appearance in the company’s photo.com hello W JL on that I’m happy to share my email or anything if anyone has any questions about college insurance flow cytometry genomics school very cool wanting to get an actual professional were like oh that’s were supposed to know that much of the talk okay will bring more professionals and then with a few again everyone have a great by saying we have started patriotic account so want to help keep us going open your browser and go to patriot on.com/critical cactus your donations will help keep us going thank you for coming.

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Last week we introduced Jordan, a professional Gamer who streams and thinks critically -wait maybe he doesn’t.
Either way, this intriguing conversation takes a lot of turns in great directions.
Here’s part two, thanks for listening.

Being addicted to running/gaming/anything, how the planning is driven by our desires and how our life is molded by these, and why critically thinking can hack this plan -don’t do it. Wait, shoot, it matters, just listen.

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Welcome back, last week we introduced Jordan a professional game who streams and things currently. Either way this intriguing conversation in the latter great directions part two.

When should I think critically and when should I not. I mean I don’t give a ship if somebody stops and thinks critically while standing in front of their fridge. You know do I want a cookie or should I eat that carrot you know that’s not going to make any impact on me and and eventually long-term making the same bad decision over and over again will have an effect on that person but I think it’s much more important for people to think critically about healthcare policy drug policy whether Bigfoot exists our hats real is a hotdog sandwich I would argue the sellers use feats I mean I don’t it is so were talking about are your brain get in the least these instant dopamine fix and maybe that’s the first step maybe that’s the first step where people need to start urinary tract I think I think about I mean I me a good launching point to try to recertify re-re-verify what you say if you know maybe you have if you have this thing where you like to run I mean people get addicted to running the absolute there are worse addictions to have you if you have this thing that you want to run and yet you get plantar fasciitis the frontal lobe may very well come up with some solutions better shoes a little more research on what you know what what running styles work what they don’t maybe even invent a drone that can follow you while you run to analyze your gate there frontal lobe is doing that stuff in an attempt to give you your fax which is the long-term benefit of a better run so you’re your primitive brain is driving all the rest of that stuff because you wanted to run the first or you want to have sex you wanted this or you want to and and that that gets us into the whole society thing where someone else sorry done that for you and you go by Nike and now you can run so well and I don’t know the point that you’re trying to come to but the thing is like it it honestly society has worked so hard to make life easier for society you would think that we as individuals directly have more time for critical thought not less I am because I don’t have to worry about where my next meal is going to come from a not to worry about whether at the break in the issues before I can wear them or if you know if these can come in the night take my cattle Tigers Tigers you know I even going not so far back like you know you back to the wild West and things like that to mean society continuously works to strive to make life easier for society and we should have plenty of time to think critically about the things the quote unquote matter like universal healthcare or in a politics in general you should have time to sit down and be able think about religion but people still don’t they have all this theoretical free time on their hands and instead of doing anything with it they filled it with Farmville video games and television and poker Facebook and spark Reddit hey calls you’ve got to park rather than their already I didn’t say there was anything that the unit goes there is also my time already beats of limited loan yeah so I said I pose this question to our guest Jordan do you think that you think critically about things that matter while you’re thinking I’ll fill in the gap there please I don’t think anybody would ever answer know that class that’s one of the questions well I’m asking do you think your dumb Nolan I’m asking Jordan because I feel that he’s intersected enough to actually take a deep dive and look I know that if I asked some of my friends I question they just instantly answer yes you know the answer is obviously no right but I’d I think Jordan want to think about it and come back with a solid answer so so I will say I critically think a lot less than I probably would say you demand shaking that know me but you know with my with my streaming with my a new game every day playing the theirs is not a lot of room for me to critically think all the time in Canada going back what we talked about earlier you know if you sit there and quickly think the whole day or about every little topic about every little thing you do get super tired and I don’t like to be tired so I kind of tune my brain out a lot him there there is all there is a lot to say about that very thing where you you know the the primitive brain is expecting a world that is not full of calories one not full of nutrients even if it is calories is not nutrient rich not a lot of car of carbohydrates or or glucose available for us to convert and it’s it’s expecting a society that you can picture from 1 million years ago or at least 1000 years ago it’s it’s it’s expecting to need to conserve as much energy as possible it’s also expecting that you had to exert quite a bit of of calories to get the little because you did get so when you just walk into the store and get a doughnut hell yeah your primitive brain’s going wow you know I have got a winter sky who is running the show here knows exactly how this game is played and let you for my mail I Alice Goforth got a gizmo because it thinks it’s going to have to still thinks you have to do that it’s property sure did yesterday long-term areas like how are you guys heard it here you have to stock your doughnuts from here on out I like to point out I’ve had at least two today and yet still trying to all you even have two dozen salaries on wrong on what is he say about a personal pizza any pizzas a personal pizza if you try hard enough you now down to the center stood well with that being said when you say you’re tired and you don’t want to go that’s the primitive brain primitive brain doesn’t much to go I want to do stockouts absolutely want to take a nap I wrote that my notes for even said it it does wanted enough that now whether or not that’s a good thing or a bad thing I don’t know why I don’t know whether you should or should do my saying I’m just saying if if you want to understand why we don’t critically think I think that’s part of the variable you have to consider is that it does require a level of energy that were were were not intuitively ready to just execute one in like with Carmen bouncing back and forth about the whole society thing theirs as we talked about off the air the institutionalized thinking you thought the gift done for you basically it’s a big thing and then you just kind of accept it because that’s the norm that I went up and religions are that’s how you end up in think about this this is one of the things I wanted to get to I know I’m dominating don’t mean to but you can add yourself out later I might but are you basically the entire show thinking of how I thinking about whether or not you wanted to put in the cognitive effort to answer some question and you decide not to because someone else’s answer for you supposedly that’s a huge savings of time and effort mean you’ve got a figure that evolutionarily it would make sense of somebody else’s hair of these two sticks together and look we got fire and you go cool you just are up to six together you not to go through all of the federations that they went through figure out like I also had two rocks together and that didn’t work and I also did this and that and working on do I reinvent the wheel yeah you’re just going to rub those 260 local fire now somebody cook something and eats it and doesn’t direct that was cool I’ll do that now they cook something and I know I’m not gonna do that now and you don’t know certain things you can’t really do the research I W you could unlike lab mice nuclear but I wanted thousand years ago they were doing cave mice over the title this one gave my son so there’s calorie savings is a lot of behaviors and a lot of the thought processes that we go through our instinctive were ingrained or evolutionary built into us right and you’re saying that we are instinctively designed to just accept whatever is been handed to us because that’s the shortest route that’s the path of least resistance we don’t have to reinvent the wheel we don’t have to do the work here’s the answer done sold case closed right so we fall right and we fall for so when we start thinking critically and when only because I’m not going to get it’s interesting overwhelmed at the grocery store picking out doughnuts so I want to this one on one I want just read this verbatim but I want to go from this a difficult cog side are. I you so these are some interesting things that I found on here I’m just gonna go into the whole incentive that that’s on the solicitor incentives not to think critically and apparently there are many so many believed just whether content bring us much comfort and hope thus we simply liked certainly to be true such as that we are good and responsible person or that there is life after death now the next one is actually interesting since our daily actions and decisions are based on our beliefs changing those beliefs means having to change your daily routines which we don’t like to deal with whatever it is it’s different and scary know that people are creatures of habit when I go to the grocery store I don’t even like to park in a different area it’s like this is the relic parking on Indian on parking there you I have my parking spot in different locations of so another one here all these tie together because can help because of these are valid points but I don’t feel they go together but so society looks up at strong-willed and consistent people people act as if they know what they are doing are often put in a leadership position and with that comes all kinds of advantages so many people consider it important for our social status to remain consistent and committed to our beliefs that some schools now the next important bullet point about this particular one that we just talked about this is actually I think were the majority of the people that I think don’t think critically probably stem from we hate to find out and admit that were wrong or that we might even be agreed I think that for me that is the biggest problem that I face when I whenever I get into an argument with somebody it’s not because they have compelling evidence or anything it says that they chose to believe something once and they don’t want to be wrong about it and so they will do everything they can to try and just either disprove me or ignore me even up to the point of like literally just sticking their fingers in their ears and blah blah blah because no I believe something while you if it’s if it’s one of those no pillars in the belief system then they’re going to act and have a reaction that is very violent really I mean it’s it’s it’s an attack that the brain doesn’t differentiate from a physical attack I think you’re right I think that stems from the hole was the amygdala that triggers your fighter flight and we treat everything as fight or flight regardless of how serious it is yeah even being stuck in traffic triggers a fighter response a big one now Jan and some he says are you here yet and then all of a sudden it gets more critical and then you get really angry anxiety you feel like work or ask enough questions Jordan cancel a question check for Jordan what about social pressure I mean I don’t know any thing about you you belong to a club or a religious group or a sect or Colts I don’t I don’t what you do that brings you into group of people with the type of video games as you have no so there’s a group that I actually liked calls occult were not really a call but where a bunch of nerds that like to play video games and meet up random places sucking what is the group’s favorite videogame right now right now probably player no battleground okay and what if you went to the group and say hey guys I been thinking about this we shouldn’t play this game anymore because X, Y, and Z I I would probably be shunned from so send the nine but the exact how how often do you mean critically thinking can lead to some serious problems with social stigma you mean eat go with your example even if I had very very valid reasons as to why we shouldn’t their fun playing Nazis are so yeah exactly the funding not to say Godwin’s law it’s the fact that as daemon was seen earlier it’s the fact that you know I’m I’m challenging their beliefs that this game is amazing in this game company is the basking company in the world so no matter what even if I’m hundred percent correct they’re going to God you know strike back in the fight or flight, as is common is good is gone activate the so if we assume the reaction from her social groups can be negative why even start on the road why even start to thinking critically why why crack the egg if we know the omelettes can be terrible all that is that the great would actually you know it it happens every so often we have someone that walks up and says hey try this new game or hey don’t play that game or hey do this they do that from within the group someone within the group usually or a lot of times like a game that will come up to us and give developer come up to us and IK you should try this game I don’t know why they try to do a lot of times it doesn’t work what their sense of sorrow social ramifications yes of critically thinking and being shunned by your socioeconomic group because you’re going to go eat if he thinks about something critically and that leads you to a contrary position you know you’re going to get a lot of that feedback so why even bother okay so what about this year a streamer but that doesn’t necessarily have to mean that it’s a videogame it could be a board game that you stream through a camera but you guys look down on that don’t look down on that have opinions now me we don’t down that we we have strippers driven away from his podcast like this we have streamers that that play D&D we have streamers that the majority of our streamers are videogame on computer or counsel but a year ago the podcast that the board games all that that didn’t exist and it was just video games and then people are like a lot to try you know playing D&D every week on stream and they found some decent success with that but I mean they went through a lot of a lot of issues and a lot of date they tried to make it work a lot and that a lot of failures so I have a question for Jordan reported one answer Tom so Godwin’s law is as an online discussion grows longer the probability of a comparison involving Hitler approaches to the center actually a anyway Jordan we were talking earlier about the charismatic people and how you know, drawn to them and how they affect people’s ability to think critically always I don’t know how many followers you have but I’m I’m in assume it’s enough to pay the rent so that everyone went to do you think that you’ve ever done or said anything on your stream that is impacted somebody’s ability to think or maybe change their opinion about something I mean the big thing would be sponsors you know I say I’m sponsored by E blue or by a gaming chair company and I say hey there’s is better than DX racers you know if you think that the x-ray sutures are better and you hear me saying hey this one is better than the x-ray surgery not, all uniform to my idea that hey you know what what he says is is correct and I subscribe to you in the end they look up to examine the was authority and is a charismatic phase yeah you’re thinking for them the soaking wet exactly the sex appeal going to the gutters I got failure and international so this institutional thinking boils down to people we look up to that it that’s like the Y $.50 knowledge is the all big wow FDDI sent generously dampen relevant the way here actually so are you when is this an author that that yeah he is all is an author some sort yeah one dollar he walked around the pond to come up with his $.50 piece it wouldn’t twopence so wouldn’t so actually that you know that that brings to question a whole new thing would come institutionalized thinking in the past would’ve been accomplished by your church or your local group you’re like your will have him here in Arizona really but you know it blocks wheeling in the suburbs when people actually get together and a lot of hearty yeah yeah there is in TV on it does happen at least I’ve got friends that admitted that you just gave us anecdotal evidence for something software for a phenomenon that we don’t believe in the real thing all your anecdotal evidence just totally made me believe that I mean instead should okay so I know this happened more than one person so I’m in the so says more than one person is seeing UFOs yeah okay well I don’t disbelieve in UFOs and to pay for it until I disbelieve in big for this most all of the negative evidence to prove that he doesn’t exist doesn’t was a lot of monster yeah I I don’t disbelieve in a lot of monster let’s think about this let’s do that. Trap now know so the Loch Ness monster is allegedly right thing up in five minutes that is also on this provable and it would be just as real as whatever it is you wait until we drain the lock and can confirm that there’s nothing down there there could it’s like Schrödinger’s Loch Ness monster the kid is in there and it’s alive indebted yeah I if there is not there in the life instead of the same title for my you rinsing me now as these block parties exist as an institutional thinking process for speaking the same watches block party things like that people that they cause like groups to get together that’s what caused institutionalized thinking right because you want to be part of the group zeroed in a kind of follow them and believe them so I meet ups yet meet ups anything that they that causes you to group together and share a set of beliefs is considerably institutionalized thinking my point is that the Internet is really compounded that problem because now you have message boards video games you know Facebook anything that allows you to group up with people and share your beliefs and to sit there round Robin agreeing with each other and you don’t go outside your bubble but your bubbles now even bigger mess your silo well and why think about it why do the thinking there’s a lot of situations where people are shunned for critical thinking yes that’s what you’re trying to get to yes mean cutting us out as everything it demands a separate much just want to be what I’m saying is all in particular you feed me out that I don’t listen to the podcast designer items at its everybody out this is Adam droning to the edits us to make a sound foolish foolish yes just like an axon move is probably at least a meter there were to guess on the show the work really here we desire them up what you think you are dumb, file to your liberal in San Francisco right now you probably don’t want me to say good things about JAMA that you would you would probably shun me for critically thinking about hey I would have to weigh the stereo if it’s good or sometimes vaccines you can get in the community and be like if vaccines are good and and let’s quickly think about why we don’t think they are good and then all of a sudden you shunned because now we’ve already concluded that vaccines are bad so as not to think about it Artie concluded and as soon as you start saying we should think about it you’re out peer pressure a comedian you know are being funny or not funny Jordan was gotten here a while tell me what is your stick eggnog how I will Jesus you sold me at all know that the big the big issue with gaming big thing that people bring up a lot is indeed the whole violence begins cause real-life island like it you a like a grand theft auto’s I think that would be a kind of a Segway so where does the community stand in the argument that it does not cause violence to be my guess I asked my the community Emmons says that there’s no way that begins cause violence but you know if you hear me or my roommate streaming were screaming at the top of our lungs that you know some guy killed us from across the map of the pistol and we a lot of a lot of gamers you know punch holes in the wall oh yeah roving soother screen there’s a holes like sub rather than of what’s called lifestream fails up like people you breaking keyboards over there had her throwing things out of interest rage quit and rage quit yeah well I I know I saw studies think it was NPR someone tried in PRL but liberal I I would argue my thoughts at the game violence thing was a conservative side of the argument was pressure I think so but is a liberal side as well as have a fight now I thought night I believe I saw wrongly might be right you might be right down to the NRA’s gladness it’s I think it’s safe you know you make the summary to make the argument that videogames cause couldn’t I just as easily make a counterargument that no videogames are cathartic and if somebody’s feeling violent they can go in and get those emotions out behind a videogame hall man with what is the latest thing that’s that’s a site we take you know if I’m having a stressful day or if I want you know they are hit someone and I have an you know that thoughts about like humans do you to reveal some you know one of the leg of the kitchen everyone pretty much shot you know I’ll close myself in my room I’ll put my headphones on and I’ll just play the most violent game I can people in the face exactly I think that the whole thing about do videogames make people violent I think that people of violent tendencies are already can be violent and vice versa because like I can see my roommates they when they play video games they get so angry and they smash their dad ideally scream obscenity you and like when I get frustrated with a videogame it is go do something else yeah not that way I I wish I was but I I can play games I just can’t to go back to the days when Adam was plainly legends with me played one night and I mean it’s okay if it’s a brand-new game and I don’t have any vested interest in it but if I think of myself as being good at a videogame and I play online ago while the four-year-olds my but I get pretty upset while legalizing the ruling the cesspool of society • the most toxic in the community ever I had always up what legal edge and always it’s huge I can’t wait to die I seriously can’t move the terrible terrible style of videogame well there have been a lot of research into whether violence videogames does expose any sort of violence in society and and I I from I have to dig deeper but the older research that I have in my in my recollection is 10 years old and that they were still they were still not certain Wellington in the same questions and post everything with music art I’m I concluded my own like you know I have my position on the argument which is I don’t think that it does anything different to give your right and left my exact yes well but it’s it’s always interesting to see what different studies and what even just the engineering of a study that you know somebody is so creative to come up with a call if they did this meanness and you think dad does out because you actually do that setting than they do it I’m just above studies now do you think that gamers board games like DND him have ever been thought of as being more violent because of the violence game they have been there the whole thing in the 70s were bonus is a dynamic and hang with had her in the basement the yeah I what I will say’s recently though I at least because I buy plating every Saturday Saturday nights mixer never sorry in our campaigns are wowsers do you use treatment no instrument that’s just something to do lifestream I don’t like to show that I’m that big of a nerd on stream is reveal it now second have fairly no I mean I see DND compared to all say call of duty very very rarely do you get an outburst from D&D from because your character took 26 damage or died for the as being a prick all you I love you but that’s that’s a personal vendetta against you for that from that DM but very rarely do I actually see you know the the DND board if you recall the board go flying or the pieces go flying where I was again with like the the call of duty or the GTA five you you tend to see keyboards flying a lot more than D&D ports Wi-Fi through my Monopoly board is kidnapped exactly what is missing last season violence bring up monopoly a clear sorry stream in all this failure is family I saw a lot of it is the item I think you had a good point earlier I did yeah you’re admitting I’m in the connotative he wants to write in coattails know you and talked about how you think you’re good at a videogame until you go online and get beaten by a for your and that’s actually a really good thing about the whole critical thought because it’s the same concept you have a preconceived notion that your this thing and then somebody challenges that and you can’t handle it yeah absolutely I definitely can have I am the best of this game it is impossible for there to be anyone better and he gets school by three-year-old who you know teabag and so that I will gladly take you and is in the thank you thank you for putting that in the context by son was five he started beating the Mario cart for real what you’re bad I never said I was good but I thought you I did enough that Dell was like I it bothered me I was was 10 years ago meals Halo and my kids did that to me and they were like my family I hate you too I really don’t like you guys I didn’t I didn’t like I didn’t like them that they were my own said yeah and I didn’t like them you cannot imagine how somebody would feel about you as a anonymous thing on the Internet that has no actual like now I didn’t like my own kids without bit that it really it bothered me a lot more than I wanted to admit when you know the and and that’s why because I had a preconceived idea about how how skilled NSI GMAC is wide-awake as he doesn’t have this preconceived notion you think you’re getting a well you know I don’t know because the messiah for World of Warcraft so gets it well halted all my names and email you send in our group you shunned in other people’s groups oh like wow like a social pariah anyway so I play World of Warcraft and I used to be insanely good at it like 12 years ago I’ve gotten progressively worse and people make fun of me and though I are you just sock and blah blah dynamite you probably do you know I’ve gotten older my synapses are probably slowing down my abilities to reactor probably slowing down anger is just the truth but most people don’t know I don’t like no I am constantly always getting better at every like that little party her brain is it’s like rice play will have to you know I was to come back to the likely to about it like I was the top row on my server allows easy what you and you have the on your own server or not my own dad but like I see what you talk about like as I started playing road again and Legion and I was like holy crap I’m flocking terrible announces it it’s just age has has made it so I’m not as good anymore… And want to play because I wasn’t good anymore men I’ve seen it happen a lot people, good anymore this is off-topic but ill will among the numerous employ off-topic to get is off topic were talking about critical thinking and why you should and shouldn’t when you should and you shouldn’t and institutional thinking and if if somebody says that there good a game and they really believe that then they’re going to continue to look at and critically think about it and come up with different ways once they’ve concluded that they’re not getting weathers cannot plating when I think about it he mourns over to do the institutional thing part where they got a so-and-so you know how to get his level are you know lean on someone else code 6 actually have ramifications like when I was younger I had a friend who was really good a “team Fortress and I never played it before it is like are you in on the school you in the school you so we don’t know what color one-on-one and murdering him and we’re we’re in the same like apartment on my gorgeous place to play and so you come stomping out of his room is what you’re cheering or not, what are you talking about you make it is the control of what we are planning a PC but yet he’s like shooting are usually playing this game forever among the the first pertussis and we understand what I’m doing half the time and licked it actually ruin our friendship will allow because he had this preconceived notion that he was like a team Fortress God and you know here was at all in that was but now they call it done in Kruger where someone believes that there expert at something so when there you know when they think there expert I brought up before it’s a big deal I’ve got a question about that the D and K visit Dunning Kruger done and guys Kruger’s two guys done one guys last names I just want to clarify that I’ve been hearing a lot of people saying Dunning Kruger I think the reason why personally I’m so humble when it comes to video games because I got very sharp lesson when I was a kid and I thought it was a Mortal Kombat God and it turns out that my sister can just jump in the corner kick and just beat me with his Dunning Kruger got home I got you been doing around the thing done and it’s Dunning me this is what Kruger so it might be a this is yeah you’re right we should always know question the source but it is a stunning and honest in Kruger hunting you interested in Kruger and Dunning affect categorical Jedediah was one of about Dunning Kruger sound cooler plus at the editor of the sun like Freddy Krueger Dunning Kruger now in a really edit the so Jordan at what age do you know something national D gamers like Max out as I have heard some of those StarCraft people like one at 22 it’s all downhill two different kinds of like there’s streamers and then there’s the professionals who win competition yeah I depend on the game, I mean if you’re talking about like who’s gonna be the best in the world when all this money from playing in like tournaments and stuff to the Victorian alt A yes B max age probably 25 but I mean there’s streamers that are up upwards of like 46 years old that still pull it and you know 6000 people a day watching that Morrow it it’s it’s different streaming has a different side of it professional gaming itself yeah very young age 25 to 30 is, the cutoff point and then you never see them again usually see mages the full development of the brain want you want nor in a lot of ways the sports are a lot like regular athletics and we need to be at peak physical conditions after thinking like a football player you are you don’t even see like a whole lot of what kinds of portly professional gamers like their all stick thin there there like peak physical performance amine there’s you’ve you’ve got a companion and I level discussion millions and millions dollars and millions with an app are you okay is are you is just out of curiosity for clarifying and save our audience they give me some numbers for your legal legend upon my people that would watch it like a light live so the last worlds event which was taking teams from North America Europe China Asia 11 stuff that was at I think 1.2 billion views not total people watching just views like 700,000 people watching throughout the state yet they are livable you have a lovely day usually use others like other prebuilt students is not stated for the sports usually but for example like this a lot Madison Square Garden last year for league of legends it was a full pack house they’ve sold out soccer arena is and football arena got me was that they don’t to sell it out for one thing like a like somebody can do a concert and also it out for one night but league it’s like sold out for every night for weeks and weeks they these days days well even like the North America finals coming up in a couple months it’s been sold out for five months as they announced it they’re going up that developed Canada this year I’m just comparing it to like the NFL and I think the NFL would love to have these numbers show a greater time so basically there was actually a study done with the last worlds event that happened and it pulled in almost twice as much viewership as like an NBA finals or even the the Super Bowl for one numbers in the Super Bowl here you come to me that’s insane to the normal will not normal the price for reaches you know millions of dollars hundreds of millions of dollars split between teams so I’m just looking at the world event for 2016 the price was $5 million that’s not including thing contributions or sponsorships it’s insane so when you say that there you know in peak physical condition so they can performance because you were were selecting for that and if you’re competing in you getting eliminated is a lot of little factors of each eliminated and if you’re sleeping right eating right and getting some exercise maybe it’s necessarily quicker every little thing right now and ironically United States is really that great yeah I mean we deftly have a disadvantage I will always Asia Asia always wins by that is because I have paid sponsors and they take their is very very serious support staff mainly I mean they have like team psychologists and come and stay with them for weeks on end and make sure their mental health is good as their physical health may have they have like food plans and licked there in a very strict diet and a very strict regimen where they practice for six hours a day and then they live Jim yet another yeah they all live in the same house is like this in the US we treat videogames like Sigma still and in like curry and stuff they’d be treated as a lifestyle way that we treat the NFL well at least they take it seriously and that’s what’s going on in the country so if we took at that Sears they would be way better get you know it’s actually things like that that that make it dangerous here in the United States we try and rest on our laurels on that is not something we should be doing you mean like when I think I’m really good at Halo my kids to take me out then Leo effortlessly and how you say it now as I used to be good at Halo I am not getting halo now you say all back in the day I was really good at a lot and I realize I wasn’t yeah I mean that I thought that’s a good point like you there’s a lot of people that will still use the will we been to the moon argument to say what is so great to those a long time ago to lately it wasn’t like this I used to play like a marvelous team whatever it was no connection to other people I will play by myself and have no idea how well I compared to anyone else you only time America compared itself to the people was during thisrace which only time but is a big the United States lost every event except for the last the last one we won on the matter of no one that we said all of a sudden matters will be happy if we would’ve gotten to the satellites first alum and the one that matters in moon and and you know not to you we were in space first so we gave you the steppingstone we would have to lay that off and we think NASA for duct tape I don’t think NASA and the tape for duct tape is not a real thing given the number for duct tape duct tape is like most useful thing ever made from docs it’s duct tape not duct tape although they’ve changed the freaking name because everybody got it wrong so I there is a company now called duck yeah it was originally named duct tape and came in green right there today I found out.com how can this be ratified Johnson and Natalie was an American as I thought it was a space thing okay to leave it on aero plane spaceships have a microwave we think were not rated in but micro leather now and she is challenging my worldview here now you know what NASA did another with the space right doing NASA stands for another seven astronauts Percy how social and horrible too soon massive remitting that will never make the Mars true lot of the Blessed moon landing was real hour to do and if you ask yourself is to I will gladly come back for conspiracy topics if I am welcomed you’re always welcome that’s not true I’m gonna think them for the infrared thermometer thanks thanks NASA I have a great invention hang is NASA if I can okay at this stage it is you in the Valley here mean this is pretty hot yeah he was in an apartment so doesn’t pay for all you care about your adventure electricity, do you know apartment you, Donald Trump is a that if you pay a God dollars yearly note that sugar and for the year was one dollar a month it was it was $15 a month and then it was $12 a year to show you how out of touch some people are so people the love the blue from arrested development when they didn’t know much like a banana was telling $10 get you banana thanks NASA for infrared thermometers apparently Mercury just wasn’t good enough all the damage it does Pluto wasn’t good enough for you to drink it well this is where I think our guest for our guest for listing thanks you’re coming over really really appreciate you coming by where can we find you work in our audience find you virtually track you down now the easiest thing would probably be my twitter stream which I’ll get it right this time it’s twitched at TV/bonds a be a onesie a place Kaylee why us I usually stream on their 3 to 4 times a week silicate and a taste of a schedule but nice gangbusters and could tell: I’m in a pew Metuchen was compactly good for you know it’s me because my name doesn’t make any sense amount know I’m a look for the one that makes no sense of
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