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There was really nothing extravegant on the show we didn't already know. I figured they were going to address Torg's statements. Let's get this deleted and not give legs to a rumor when his own station won't bring it up in an interview with Forde...recruits don't need to hear this.

Just wanted to throw this story out, as it is somewhat relevant. For Christmas my sister bought me a picture of the big house. Knowing one player on the team pretty well, she asked him if he could get denard to sign it for her, he proceeded to get much, at least 30-40, of the team to sign it for no cost of any sort.

yeah sorry, didnt mean to make it sound like they were doing anything wrong, more that for no reason at all at least 30 players on our team were signing a picture for a brother of a friend of a teammate. she even just asked for one and i guess denard just said leave the picture in the locker room and a bunch of they guys will sign it. that doesn't sound like players that are charging for autographs.

Was trying to say is if it were to come out that some players on our team gave auto graphs on memorabilia excetra They will be punished properly and that will be the end of it. There will not be some far reaching investigation into a coaching staff because our coaching staff is not a dirty dirt ball dirtbag piece of shit that intentionally turns a blind eye like jim tressel has for the last 20 years

this store rumor emerged the same time that denard was being accused of selling tickets to games to wealthy alumni who blackmailed him into staying. of course, this rumor failed to pass the smell test of WHAT TICKETS HE WOULD HAVE TO SELL THAT ALUMNI WOULD PAY MORE FOR THAN 50 YD LINE TICKETS.

i stress this heavily because these stories were paired together equally through the 'same source.' to believe UM players sold autographs to this store would be to believe Denard sold tickets to wealthy boosters who forced him to stay and not transfer.

UM players COULD be involved. Sounds like speculation to keep his listeners from jumping off the ledge. I hate when people tie programs to something without actually knowing anything at all. God forbid an Ohio radio program has an agenda when their program is a sinking ship.

OSU isn't lying, ESPN isn't lying, and the report misreported OSU's statement. As you pointed out yourself, "the response from OSU says 'no new allegations' but the report says OSU denied receiving a letter about additional investigation."

I believe the following excerpts from the Dispatch article point to a possible explanation of what's going on:

[1] The university has received no indications from the NCAA that it could face additional allegations or findings, Lynch said.

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[2] The letter did not make any references to an ongoing investigation of the football program, Lynch said.

[3] “The university has not received any additional allegations from the NCAA ... We do not anticipate discussing any additional allegations” on Friday, Lynch wrote in a statement.

Excerpt 1 could well be the "talking point" that OSU's PR machine wanted to make. That is, even if the letter said that OSU's Football Program remains under investigation, that does not, in and of itself, indicate that OSU will face any other allegations or findings.

In excerpt 2, Lynch may have strayed from this "talking point," stating that the letter did not make any reference to an ongoing investigation.

In excerpt 3, a written statement by Lynch is quoted, in which he gets back in line with the "talking point" in excerpt 1.

Given the efforts of the OSU PR machine this week, you can probably go ahead and add another $10,000 or so to the $800,000 bill OSU is racking up on its "defense."

There is nothing wrong with getting a player's autograph and selling it. A quick ebay search shows just how easy it is to find the stuff. Hell, the university is holding a fan day this weekend where a big part of it is meeting the players and getting their autograph. I would ignore Torg until something truly concrete comes out.

If there wasn't evidence that players had been given large amounts of cash and free tattoos for their signatures and gear, no one would have a problem with the fact that OSU autographs were available en masse.

The difference is that with OSU the players were a direct link. There was no middle man, just players selling stuff intended only for players (rings, pants, etc) directly to fans and pocketing all the cash. What the previous poster was talking about is a player giving an autograph to a fan, then that fan sells it online and keeps the change himself. There's a difference

Ohio State University denies an ESPN report that officials received a letter last week from the NCAA informing the university that other issues involving the football program remain under investigation.

OSU spokesman Jim Lynch said this evening that ESPN’s report, based on multiple unidentified sources, is incorrect.

ESPN’s Pat Forde reported: “This is basically going to be a two-pronged investigation; there’s going to be more allegations to come in the future.” Comment was being sought from ESPN on Ohio State’s denial of its story.

The university has received no indications from the NCAA that it could face additional allegations or findings, Lynch said.

Lynch said that OSU President E. Gordon Gee received a letter from the NCAA on Aug. 3, but it concerned only procedural matters about the appearance of OSU officials before the Infractions Committee on Friday.

The letter did not make any references to an ongoing investigation of the football program, Lynch said. Ohio State cannot immediately release the letter because if must undergo legal review prior to its release, he said.

“The university has not received any additional allegations from the NCAA ... We do not anticipate discussing any additional allegations” on Friday, Lynch wrote in a statement.

is this Torg guy claims that UlofM players may have been getting hooked up by this memorabelia dealer in ohio. The only thing I can say to that is if Denard or whoever wanted to make a couple hundred bucks for signing an autograph or 2.. do you really think they would have to go to this dealer in Ohio to do it? I call major bullshit. This thing reeks of OSU slaps trying to spread the heat.

I've been listening for 10 minutes and NOBODY has mentioned Michigan, at all, they're just rehashing the situation and talking about "if ESPN has been unfair in its reporting." Forde is all like, "In my reporting, I'm reporting sources."

EDIT: They just got through the entire Forde interview and never mentioned Michigan. Sounds like any "Michigan involvement" is bullshit from the Torg guy.

No problem, I'm just listening for mention of Michigan and maybe some clarification on that Torg tweet posted below, but right now they're just rehashing all the old bucknut arguments and talking about what an ongoing investigation would reveal.

It simply wouldn't matter if there actually were UM athletes selling autographs because they would still have to have someone talk or have proof with checks. Denard has a ton of stuff on ebay as does nearly every top college football player around the country. Andrew Luck, Lamichael James, Trent Richardson, you can go on and on. Unless there is someone willing to talk, it's a non-story.

Even more so, they would have to prove the player received the benefits of said merchandise. Anyone can get a signed football, jersey, helmet, etc. and sell it either on Ebay or "black market" and the NCAA would have no problem. The problem only arises when the player is receiving benefits or cash to provide the autograph or mechandise to the "seller".

Through the layers of ignorance contained within that tweet (I never take anything seriously when the words "to" and "too" are replaced by "2"), I somehow feel unsettled. What does "If he talks" mean? This is all very cryptic. But not as cryptic as TomVH cryptic.

Interesting that Forde did not mention anything regarding Michigan players. Was not brought up by the sports guys, either. For those of you that didn't get a chance to listen, Forde did not get into specifics, other than a letter was sent to Ohio back on August 3 detailing another round of investigation; Ohio denies this. Ohio also says that the investigation is complete. Dimitrious Stanley and Forde both agree Ohio is playing semantics and did receive notice. Forde refrained from predicting what the NCAA would do, but did say that any outcome would not occur on this new matter until 2012 at the earliest. He did say it would not affect whatever happens on Friday.

There are 2-3 sports memrobilia stores and every year they do pay graduating seniors after the season for autograph sessions as seen on OTL. They do have autographs of current players I think, but never UM players.

Well the show is over, apparently, and the Torg guy never even mentioned Michigan or his supposed "sources" so I think it is a pretty baseless claim. They literally talked about nothing new during that half hour, just rehashing old arguments, bucknuts acting like victims and a bunch of shitty rock music.

I feel that if we were cheating in some way (which I don't think and hope we're not), the university would find it in their best interest to self report the violation instead of have it come out through someone named Torg. I don't think the NCAA would respect that.

We've been through this already with practice-gate and it would really blow to go through it again.

(Or been in the armed forces) You know that when captured, you try and trick your captor into believing that one his men is crossing him so that your captor is distracted and the attention is off you, thus giving you more time to live. I think I see some similarities here.

Its very possible kids sold signed items but that dont mean what has been going on in Cbus is going on in Ann Arbor. Just for the record just because there is signed memorobilia with current players names on it dont mean me they sold it.

The fact that the Ohio players were selling stuff didnt bother bother me all that much other than the chuckle at OSUs expense. What Tressel did however and then what OSU has done sense is what is bothering me. They should all be fired simple as that.

Michigan needs to talk to all their kids and see what is up and if there is something take their punishiment on the chin like a man.

The OSU fans have been the worst people in all of this. The everyone is lying, everyone is out to get us, there is nothing to see here crap. Grow up already you know shady stuff is happening admit and move on Christ already some of you act like little kids.

Another thing I have noticed is how they try to point at Michigan and say we have to be doing it or Hoke is negative recruiting or cheating.

Take your punishment like men and get over it. It dont matter what everyone else is doing it only matters what you are doing. Well thats what I tell my small children anyways.

I can understand you want to rip Michigan and you dont like Michigan and I get it but dont accuse Michigan of wrong doings just to make yourself feel better about the crap your team has pulled.

Now that the show is over, it might not be idea for the mods to delete this. No use in giving legs to a rumor that has not been mentioned elsewhere. I know I posted it it, but I figured they would say something about it during the show.

Can we get the mods to delete this thread on the grounds of not wanting recruits to read this and get the wrong idea?