"No weapons" policies - what would you do?

This is a discussion on "No weapons" policies - what would you do? within the Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; I am a couple weeks away from my license arriving in the mail. As such, I'm going about my day thinking about CCW when/where/how.
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"No weapons" policies - what would you do?

I am a couple weeks away from my license arriving in the mail. As such, I'm going about my day thinking about CCW when/where/how.

I both work for and attend urban Universities (not the same one). Both of them have "no weapons" policies, and both policy manuals specifically say "not even if the person has a concealed weapon license"...

How would you go about your day if these were the restrictions placed upon you?

Here's a typical day:
- Travel to work on bus
- Reach University A, work until after lunch
- Travel to University B on public transport, attend classes until the late afternoon
- Return home on bus

The published repercussions are nonspecific. For work: "violators will be escorted off campus by Public Safety" and school is: "any student violating policy is subject to disciplinary action".

I'm going to begin school again, in a crime-ridden, downtown area. Similar situation, even though I like carrying everywhere, school will restrict that. I think I'll probably be leaving my main CCW at home, and carry the j-frame in the car, but will have to lock it in a safe in the car. I do not plan to go without. I'll just take it as far as I can.

That is a difficult situation. I don't know where you live, but you could well be in violation of state law if you set foot on campus with a gun. I can't advocate breaking the law, so if that's the case my advice will be to leave the gun at home.

If it isn't a part of the law but just a policy, you have to think about how much your education and job mean to you. If you're willing to get fired and/or be thrown out of school then you carry. If not, you have to leave it behind. In that situation, especially in the aftermath of 9/11, I'd have a small "hideaway' gun on me. Nobody would ever know unless you had to use it. At that point, being alive to face the consequences is far better than the alternative.

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Originally Posted by Echo_Four

That is a difficult situation. I don't know where you live, but you could well be in violation of state law if you set foot on campus with a gun. I can't advocate breaking the law, so if that's the case my advice will be to leave the gun at home.

If it isn't a part of the law but just a policy, you have to think about how much your education and job mean to you. If you're willing to get fired and/or be thrown out of school then you carry. If not, you have to leave it behind. In that situation, especially in the aftermath of 9/11, I'd have a small "hideaway' gun on me. Nobody would ever know unless you had to use it. At that point, being alive to face the consequences is far better than the alternative.

Since you ride public transportation to and from is there someplace you can safely lock it up while at work and classes? If not, and it is not against the law, just policy, either some form of non-lethal weapon or deep cover of a small pocket gun would be an option. You need to decide how bad the area is you are in and what it is worth to you. Realize that trouble can happen anywhere, not just bad neighborhoods. The risk assessment is up to you.

The way I read that (my opinion) is: Section 3 says Section 1 does not apply IF the person is licensed to carry a concealed weapon (3d) or is not prohibited from possessing the firearm (3f).

3f is there because Oregon is an Open Carry state. They are saying as long as you are not prohibited from owning it you are not prohibited from carrying it on school grounds or storing it in a vehicle on school grounds.

Another thing: "School" does not generally apply to Colleges, they are usually covered as general State facilities or private property.

"When a man attempts to deal with me by force, I answer him—by force.
"... No, I do not share his evil or sink to his concept of morality: I merely grant him his choice, destruction, the only destruction he had the right to choose: his own." -John Galt, Atlas Shrugged

Looks like line F in in BOLD ITALICS prohibits school carry even if you have a CCW.

We're looking it over and trying to get a clear definition, the way it's worded looks like it could either be prohibited, or legal with CCW, but the schools poilcy can still expell / fire you for carrying.

...It's being reviewed, I'll post back if we can figure it out. IS THERE A LAWYER IN THE HOUSE?

My interpretation is based on the *166.360 Definitions for ORS 166.360 to 166.380* that states:

(4) “Public building” means a hospital, a capitol building, a public or private school, as defined in ORS 339.315, a college or university, a city hall or the residence of any state official elected by the state at large, and the grounds adjacent to each such building. The term also includes that portion of any other building occupied by an agency of the state or a municipal corporation, as defined in ORS 297.405, other than a court facility.

From ORS 339.315:
(3) As used in this section, “school” means:

(a) A public or private institution of learning providing instruction at levels kindergarten through grade 12, or their equivalents, or any part thereof;

Clearly, a school is different than a college or university.

Thus,

(3) Subsection (1) of this section does not apply to:

(d) A person who is licensed under ORS 166.291 and 166.292 to carry a concealed handgun.

implies to me that CCW is legal. Of course, the university policy may preclude firearms, as you said.

If you were from Texas I would tell you to leave the weapon at home. It is illegal to carry in to a school building in Texas (at present).

If you live in a state that does not have that law and it is just school policy then I say concealed is concealed.

You have a lot of time on public transportation that in some cities is not the safest way to get around.

It is the policy of my office that I can not carry, but I ride a scooter or drive a pickup to the office and I leave my weapon in a locked compartment one floor below me in the parking garage. On those rare occasions that I come to work and my vehicle is not parked one flight below me I carry concealed.

I don't think I would get fired if my bosses found out I was carrying that day I think they would ignore the fact that I broke the policy, but you never know.