I would like to see, at this moment in time, in black and white on the ISP website that Basic Pistol and other proposed courses will count for the first eight hours. Folks in our area are scared to do anything until they know to sure. People want to be pro-active at this time but are standing fast!

I can't see a way to make NRA basic pistol compatible with the ISP time requirements and stay true to the actual NRA curriculum without making the class 10 hours long.

Where in the ISP program can I give the exam, talk about pistol selection, scoring targets etc. and stay true to the NRA class outline unless I add more time?

What about basics of the class, like intro and facilities policies, where in the ISP time limit/section do I put these?

I really don't like the idea of signing a document under the penalty of perjury with questions like these hanging over me.

I'm starting to think I will get my instructor fingerprint/submission done next week and hang back a little on curriculum.

Matt

You guys are looking at this all too closely...

If you teach Basic Pistol, the ISP says the student has satisfied #1 - #3 on their training outline, period.

There is no reason to try to force the 2 classes to match. If you teach BP, the student has satisfied #1 - #3. If you choose to make your own curriculum for the first 8 hrs, the ISP has provided you a class outline.

There is absolutely NO need to try to smash the 2 different options together into one.

It seems like the blinders are on and some are thinking that NRA Basic Pistol is the only way to cover the first 8 hrs when that is simply not the case.

Either teach Basic Pistol and allow your students to then "grandfather" in with 8 prior hrs, or use the ISP's outline to make your own class. Two distinct separate options for you to chose.

Where exactly has the ISP said that NRA Basic Pistol satisfies 1-3 on the 16 hour training requirements? I have not seen it in writing anywhere, except tossed about on this forum to and fro. While I do respect Todd's insider knowledge, the only thing we have in writing (SO FAR) is that the NRA Basic Pistol course does NOT exactly match what the ISP is asking for.

I can't see a way to make NRA basic pistol compatible with the ISP time requirements and stay true to the actual NRA curriculum without making the class 10 hours long.

Where in the ISP program can I give the exam, talk about pistol selection, scoring targets etc. and stay true to the NRA class outline unless I add more time?

What about basics of the class, like intro and facilities policies, where in the ISP time limit/section do I put these?

I really don't like the idea of signing a document under the penalty of perjury with questions like these hanging over me.

I'm starting to think I will get my instructor fingerprint/submission done next week and hang back a little on curriculum.

Matt

You guys are looking at this all too closely...

If you teach Basic Pistol, the ISP says the student has satisfied #1 - #3 on their training outline, period.

There is no reason to try to force the 2 classes to match. If you teach BP, the student has satisfied #1 - #3. If you choose to make your own curriculum for the first 8 hrs, the ISP has provided you a class outline.

There is absolutely NO need to try to smash the 2 different options together into one.

It seems like the blinders are on and some are thinking that NRA Basic Pistol is the only way to cover the first 8 hrs when that is simply not the case.

Either teach Basic Pistol and allow your students to then "grandfather" in with 8 prior hrs, or use the ISP's outline to make your own class. Two distinct separate options for you to chose.

Where exactly has the ISP said that NRA Basic Pistol satisfies 1-3 on the 16 hour training requirements? I have not seen it in writing anywhere, except tossed about on this forum to and fro. While I do respect Todd's insider knowledge, the only thing we have in writing (SO FAR) is that the NRA Basic Pistol course does NOT exactly match what the ISP is asking for.

Good point. My post was mis worded. I tend to do that when replying from my phone. I should have said "if the ISP approves Basic Pistol". I type on my phone much skier than I think sometimes...

Anyway, I still think the point I was making is valid. If the ISP/FCCA allows grandfathering, it is not up to the instructors to second guess..

Also besides BP, does the 4 hours of Utah count. I thought it was mentioned at the Town Hall last week in Elmhurst it would count for 4 hours. We should give those who have it, credit for 4 hours and teaching 12 if instructors so choose.

Also besides BP, does the 4 hours of Utah count. I thought it was mentioned at the Town Hall last week in Elmhurst it would count for 4 hours. We should give those who have it, credit for 4 hours and teaching 12 if instructors so choose.

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Sure, but for which 4 hrs?What is covered in the Utah class that is listed on the curriculum affidavit?(I do not have a Utah permit, so I don't know what was covered in that class)

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"Shoot the bad guy and keep shooting him until he stops doing whatever itwas that got him shot in the first place."

Also besides BP, does the 4 hours of Utah count. I thought it was mentioned at the Town Hall last week in Elmhurst it would count for 4 hours. We should give those who have it, credit for 4 hours and teaching 12 if instructors so choose.

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Sure, but for which 4 hrs?What is covered in the Utah class that is listed on the curriculum affidavit?(I do not have a Utah permit, so I don't know what was covered in that class)

The first part of Utah is safety, fundamentals, parts and operation, single vs. double action, etc. Much of sections 1 to 3 really.

Also besides BP, does the 4 hours of Utah count. I thought it was mentioned at the Town Hall last week in Elmhurst it would count for 4 hours. We should give those who have it, credit for 4 hours and teaching 12 if instructors so choose.

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Sure, but for which 4 hrs?What is covered in the Utah class that is listed on the curriculum affidavit?(I do not have a Utah permit, so I don't know what was covered in that class)

The first part of Utah is safety, fundamentals, parts and operation, single vs. double action, etc. Much of sections 1 to 3 really.

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Ok, however the curriculum affidavit you are certifying 8/16 hr or 3 hr refresher. There is no 12 hr course.The more we look the harder they made it for us.

Firearms are not a talisman against evil. When used properly, they are an antidote to evil. T.Dunn

"Shoot the bad guy and keep shooting him until he stops doing whatever itwas that got him shot in the first place."

I think you guys are worried about Utah course. I am not going to accept it. If it is not 8 hours then I won't accept it

You may not have a choice. If ISP says it's good for X number of hours of previous training, it has to be good.You won't have to accept those people as students, but there are a lot of people in IL with Utah permits.

Firearms are not a talisman against evil. When used properly, they are an antidote to evil. T.Dunn

"Shoot the bad guy and keep shooting him until he stops doing whatever itwas that got him shot in the first place."

My father teaches NRA Basic Pistol course, and Personal Protection Inside the Home. Both these courses combined cover all the curriculum requirements for IL CCW, and total roughly 17 hours of class time. Is this acceptable?

What provision, if any, is being made for out of state permit applicants to get their prints done? Will out of state applicants, without a trip to IL and a Live Scan vendor, be required to wait the additional 30 days for approval using paper prints or will paper prints, perhaps done by a law enforcement agency located near to the applicants home, be adequate to prevent undue delay?

My father teaches NRA Basic Pistol course, and Personal Protection Inside the Home. Both these courses combined cover all the curriculum requirements for IL CCW, and total roughly 17 hours of class time. Is this acceptable?