Christmas puppy! (Think ANY holiday)

There you go again with those idealistic fantasies. Sorry to burst your bubble but that is not a realistic option for most breeders and buyers.

Do you really think most people are willing to wait 2 years for a pet? Do you really think there are enough of those special one litter a year breeders to supply the public's demand for pets? What do you think a two years waiting list will do the price of dogs if every one did that?

Basically what you are saying is that people should only buy from a "good breeder" that will charge them 2-3 time as much for the privilege of having an overpriced pet 2 years from the time they actually want one.

Justify? Perhaps you misread what i said. I am counting my blessing and thanking the almighty god for blessing me with 3 litters at this holy time, Just as any other breeder would in my position, even if they will never have the guts to admit it in public.

"Do you really think there are enough of those special one litter a year breeders to supply the public's demand for pets?"

Excuse me, but this really gave me a good laugh. Which isn't so good on a full stomach...

They say the first step is admitting it ;)

And yes juno dear, people are becoming more educated on responsible pet ownership. Once they start getting helpful guidance in the correct direction, and start researching it...they are more the happy to wait for that well bred, perfect edition to their family. Like you said, there aren't enough special breeders out there, so it is a real treat to wait for a pup from them.

I am so happy that even dog shows are beginning to encourage people to do their homework about the breed they are interested in. They even discourage some breeds for those planning on first time ownership.

Not everyone is born knowing everything, but once you get ahold of that knowledge.. decent people can't deny it and ignorance can no longer be used as an excuse.

Do you really think most people are willing to wait 2 years for a pet?

seeing as how i am typically one of those people who wants what they want exactly when they want it, even i waited for over a year to get scout. the first breeding of her mom didnt take so i had to wait another year for her to be bred and have a litter. during that time i stumbled upon a breeder right here in my own state that had a litter of 8 week old pups and not all had been spoken for. i went down to see them and decided after an hour of playing with them all, that i preferred to wait until the breeder i had originally chosen had a litter. it would have been far easier for me to obtain a pup 1 hour from me rather then drive 2000 miles and spend 4 days going and returning with scout. but as the saying goes ..... good things come to those that wait .. and it was very true in my case.

but then there are those who dont want to wait and thats what keeps money in your pockets.

Excuse me, but this really gave me a good laugh. Which isn't so good on a full stomach...

They say the first step is admitting it ;)

You have to be a “special person” if you did not get what I meant. By special I mean "special" as in “special olympics” or “special ed” or a “special people”. Get it now?

And yes juno dear, people are becoming more educated on responsible pet ownership. Once they start getting helpful guidance in the correct direction, and start researching it...they are more the happy to wait for that well bred, perfect edition to their family.

And you know this how? Do you breed? Do you deal with potential buyers and sell dog on daily bases? How exactly do you know that? I can tell you that I haven’t noticed any dip in sales in the last few years. Although I do notice more and more people are asking the questions you all advocating, my answers are more then satisfying them, so what does that tells you about me or your "educated" public.

I am so happy that even dog shows are beginning to encourage people to do their homework about the breed they are interested in. They even discourage some breeds for those planning on first time ownership.

You can’t be that naive. I am sure it has nothing to do with trying to eliminate the competition?

Not everyone is born knowing everything, but once you get ahold of that knowledge.. decent people can't deny it and ignorance can no longer be used as an excuse.

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. This is why I bother posting. I only wish for people to know about all sides of an issue and be exposed to other opinions so they can make their own informed decisions.

And! Since when did this become the juno free for all thread? You are distracting from all my efforts on a GOOD, wholesome thread.

It became that when you decided to attack me instead of the message. All I did was give a different opinion to what I thought was your misguided, misleading, ill informed and biased post about pups for Christmas. You should have just ignored me and let me say my piece. That would have probably been the last you would have heard from me on this subject. However, you decided to make it personal.

What you call distracting, I call educating and dispelling the misinformation you try to disseminate to the unsuspecting public as facts.

Same issue, different perspective. This is what a discussion forum is all about.

scout1, What if you would have found the perfect pup that was everything you were looking for in a dog and a breeder in the first litter you saw? Would you have still waited?

That is all I am saying. If you see what you like, why wait? Why let the time of the year stop you from getting what you want.

Pope, I think its good as well that they are keeping it bumped for you! Education on puppies for Christmas and breeders is what you wanted, and....

Anyone that reads this thread is being educated by Juno to learn what kind of breeder (term used loosely) to stay away from. Those who create large amounts of pups regardless of quality just to supply a 'demand'....great.

Juno - As one who has a son who is in "special ed" - your post really offended me. I haven't said anything about your views on breeding... because I thought I'd stay out of it... but putting someone down by referring to them as "special" or "special ed" - THAT is really wrong.

My son has dyslexia and deals with all the "special ed" remarks all the time. He deals with ignorant kids who think that he is somehow stupid - despite the fact that his IQ is that of a child 3 years older. It's grown-ups like you that teach kids that it's ok to make fun of other people. Please think about what your saying and the people who might take offense.

As for your views on breeding ... I hope that your dogs all get placed in wonderful homes and I TRULY hope that the people who buy them as Christmas gifts know what they are buying. While I am a person who would not wait for months or years to get a pup - that's why I choose to adopt rescues. So... who knows? Maybe I will someday have one of your pups too...

lpn, How do you know i create pups regardless of quality? Have you seen my dogs or pups? Do you know anything about their lineage or health? Do you know anything about their testing, my contracts or gaurentees? until you do, you can't really say anything bad about my dogs quality.

Pop, You made a joke at my expanse, I made one at yours. What's fair is fair.

As for bumping, you don't need me to do it, there are enough people with nothing relevant to say other then bump.

Juno, you didnt really just say that patience is a virtue that most are lacking, from a person that thanks "god" for her christmas blessing of blood money maybe you should thaink about that. Good breeders, which you have proven you are clearly not, don't want people buying a pup on the spur of the moment, that is why they have the waiting list. Sure they could drop puppies left right and center and let them go to every Tom, Dick and Harry that crossed their thresh hold, but they choose not to, they actually choose better their respective breeds, and produce puppies only when THEY want a pup, not because the public wants a dog. OF course that is what makes them you know good breeders, not well you.

Yes any person who has properly researched a breed they are interested in is willing to wait for a quality dog from a reputable breeder.

As far as show people discouraging buyers from the breed to eliminate competition..lol That is rediculous, a good breeder/show person will ask the proper questions of someone interested in the breed and has a good idea of whether their particular breed is something the buyer is prepared for, and they are willing to educate people about their breed. Most of the breeders I know including myself are willing to mentor or even show dogs from their line for their new owners.. I have done this on numerous occasions until my health restricted me from doing it... :(

Any surprise animal given as a gift is not usually a good idea, look at the returns after Christmas on just material items..... An impulse buy without research usually ends up in buyers remorse also.. Know what your getting and the goods and the bads that come along with it.

my 2 cents, a Christmas puppy is OK with me as long as it is from a responsible, COE breeder, because whether it is December, April or July a COE breeder will only let their pups go to the best homes possible.

I dont know Juno except from this thread but my question to you is how as a responsible breeder can you sell 20 pups in one month and feel confident that they are in the best possible homes?

I purchased a puppy in September from a fantastic breeder who I was, and still am, in constant contact with. I really had to prove to her I was an excellent home, she did a vet check and got a letter of reference from my trainer and we formed a friendship before the pups were born, she calls me to see how things are going and I call or email her with questions and our progress.

My experience has been that COE breeders care about their pups like children and want a lifelong relationship with the families, I am so comfortable with my pup because of this and she is a wonderful resource for any questions I may have, but if you keep churning out dogs how can you screen people, how do you form relationships, how do you know your pups are in the right homes? If you properly screen people you could probably see right through the impulse Christmas puppy buyer, because there is a big difference in someone who wants a pup to look cute with a bow under the tree and someone who is truly committed to adding a puppy to their family.

and "special" one litter a year breeders, ya know the ones who show and prove their dogs in conformation and with working titles and do health tests...well they are not "special" that is the way it is supposed to be, they aren't special litters, they are litters that represent the breed the way it is supposed to be. There are so many puppy mills and BYBs that Labs dont look like labs anymore, Golden's dont look like Golden's etc. These "special" breeders only breed the best examples so we can enjoy our favorite breeds the way they are meant to look and with the correct temperaments for years and years to come. So if I have to wait, I will wait, and if I have to pay more I will do that too, but anyone who really researches a breed and understands what goes into showing and health testing and the careful screening of the pedigrees of the dogs they breed will realize they are really getting a bargain.

Do you really think most people are willing to wait 2 years for a pet? Do you really think there are enough of those special one litter a year breeders to supply the public's demand for pets? What do you think a two years waiting list will do the price of dogs if every one did that?

Basically what you are saying is that people should only buy from a "good breeder" that will charge them 2-3 time as much for the privilege of having an overpriced pet 2 years from the time they actually want one.

I waited 3 years for my Rebel. I wanted a certain Sire and Dam to mate and then a male puppy from that coupling, so yes, some people do wait years for that 'certain' puppy

The time of the year definitely matter. You need to have large litters year round to compare and notice the difference thou. If you only have one or two small litters a year, then you would not notice much of a differnce. But if you have them at several different times of the year, you would notice for example that you will be getting 5 calls a week in July, but in December you would get 5 calls a day. September to February is a good time to sell pups, November and December being the best. Then March and April are slow. I guess people got to pay taxes and the credit cards bills from Christmas. It picks up a little it in May, but June, July and August are the worst. Makes no sense to me why. You would think that with the weather and the long time kids are off school it would be the perfect time to have a pup, but it doesn’t work out this way. I guess people are out on vacations and do not have time or money for pups. Personally, I try to avoid summer pups when I can. I use this time to let my dogs rest.

I stopped bothering with lists long time ago. I found that by the time I had a litter and call to let those people on the list know I got pups, 99% of them got tired of waiting and already got a dog elsewhere or changed their mind. The only list I would have is for people with deposits and only after the pups are born.

Juno, I may be new here, but I have been on other dog related forums long enough to know that you are not going to change anyone’s mind. The more you try to defend your position, the more you will get bashed. people will disect your posts, twist your words and use them against you, call you a troll and eventually get banned. I have seen it time and time again.