Comment by Glow

I find it interesting that the proc grants an equal amount of spell damage or healing power. This trinket is clearly weighted towards SW:P

Comment by Firebug

Can you get the buff twice? Say a SW:P proc and a Renew proc?

That would be essentially 400 healing, which would throw it back into renew's favor if you keep up a rank 1 SW:P on bosses and such.

Comment by royjoy

This may seem weighted towards shadow priests, but remember that this can proc off of multiple casts of the spell.

In a raid, if you aren't the main healer, you might have renew on 5+ targets, meaning you'll pretty much have the buff 100% of the time.

You're more likely to have SW:P on multiple targets in PvP over PvE, and even then probably not too many, so the two buffs balance out.

Comment by Mosruio

220 Healing for 5sec is really poor bonus. Make it 400 healing for 10sec to be in par with the damage bonus and it's worth it.

5sec - 1sec lag on proc + time the message reaches your brain. So 4 sec left to press a gheal and renew on one target with additional +220 healing. And it doesn't even buff the renews already placed on targets. The only possible scenario this trinket is usefull is when you're in hot healing task (which druids do better). I wouldn't change badge healing trinket for this one.

Comment by Omri

Does anyone know if this has a hidden cooldown at all, like the one on Shiffar's Nexus Horn?

Comment by Eiras

Renew actually has to heal in order to proc the trinket, so you can't just throw renew on everyone and assume the trinket will always provide the buff. It's definatly a shadow priest trinket over a holy priest

Comment by Manip

Ashtogue Vs. Passive Damage Trinkets (Single Mob)

This trinket on average will proc' twice a minute for a total of 20 seconds (assuming it doesn't proc' over its self etc). That means 220 damage for 20 seconds, or roughly an average of 73.33 +damage for the entire minute.

Of course this number assumes SW:Pain ticks exactly every 3 seconds, and that it never proc's over its self. If we take both into account, we can estimate roughly 62 +Damage on average.

This rough number means it is the second best +Damage trinket for a Shadow Priest in WoW, the first being the Darkmoon: Crusade card with its +80 damage passive effect.

These numbers also assume the Priest only has a single Shadow Word: Pain active on a single enemy which is often, but not always the case. In any scenario where SW:Pain is active on more than one enemy, this trinket might offer, on average, more +Damage than even the Darkmoon: Crusade card.

Comment by Eiras

I had the talisman on all night, and I had a grand total of 2446 Renew ticks. Now, if you scroll down to the Buffs and Debuffs section, you see that I gained the buff, Divine Blessing, 150 times. This would lead me to believe that i got 150 procs for 2446 Renew ticks, or roughly a 6.13% proc rate. Much lower than the advertised rate.

I also did a bit of Shadow Word: Pain as well, but the data sample is much smaller, at 139 ticks. I gained the damage buff, Divine Wrath, 7 times, or roughly a 5% proc rate. Granted the SW: P sample is much lower, so I wouldn't base much on it, but the Renew sample is pretty good.

Based on my testing, I'd bet that there is a hidden cooldown on the trinket that doesn't allow it to proc as often as advertised. The other explaination is that it can't proc if you already have the buff on you, meaning you'd have to allow it to expire before it would be reapplied. Bottom line, as a healer I'd prefer to use a different trinket than this, based on the fact that 1) I don't massivly spam Renew, and most of the time my Renews are flashed over, meaning they don't get a chance to tick in most casts, and 2) it provides no passive effects that would give me more mana regen. It's an interesting trinket for healers, but it doesn't seem to be great if it has a hidden cooldown.

As far as the damage side of it goes, I can't really get a good sample of data as I am not a shadow priest, but if the hidden cooldown exists, I don't think it would be much better for a shadow priest.

Comment by Crepusculu

There are a few misconceptions in the above comments

This trinket has no cooldown on its proc, so it is very possible to have itself refresh midway through the proc. As such, you will not see yourself gaining the buff for a second time since you already have it. So Eiras test percentages are likely to be incorrect.

For single target pain, it is easiest to calculate in 3 second intervals after pain has been cast

The approaching limit should be 29.53% of 220, or~65 spell damage on average

Comment by Cadfael

As always, procs overwriting itself are not reported by the WoW client and as such not recorded. You might have had more proccs than WWS shows.

Comment by marakesh

Why is this trinket so bad compared to the druid and paladin versions? Almost like Blizzard is trying to tell us something about priests who want to go holy.

Comment by Foxi

With talents, and 2 piece T6 set bonus, I get 9 ticks with this trinket.Hmm so it Should proc once a swp about for me.I agree this trinket seems really awesome.

On trash its godly at least. All the time on. Boss was a bit slower but without any numbers, I think its better than eye of maghteridon as example.

This+Darkmoon card makes awesome combo for bosses.I think this is better than darkmoon card tho. Cause that has 10sec "use" time and then have to reapply. So loose alot dmg there often.

So this exalted trinket with the ZA one. Probably best combo there is atm?

Comment by Zeelian

The short duration of the healing buff makes this pretty useless.

not only does it "ony" have the same amount as the damage buff (normal for healing is ~2x that of damage) it has half the duration, making it kinda hard to get any use of the buff.

From the time it takes to realise u have it to the time u cast something with it it can very well fade...

Comment by durmadus

used this trinket duration of full hyjal (including archimonde) and procrate was 5.67% on total...

i got it, not using...

edit: as shadowpriest.

edit2: and best combo for shadowpriest is illidan trinket + ZA trinket.

Comment by danton83

Why oh why are you guys arguing if its shadow or holy. It says clearly priests. and Second of all its not a drop instead a vendor item so pick it up if you want it. I say it can be worth it in the 25man raids where damage over time to groups are common in TBC. When you're not throwing renews around just swap it out for another trinket. Same goes for dps. Enjoy the trinket because it can become insane.

Comment by Zabel

this is a pretty terrible trinket for shadowpriest overall, the only time u would use this hunk of junk is when ur bored and decided to dot up all that annoying hyjal trash.

Best Trinket Combo currently is Timbals+Hex.

Course Hex has been taken out of the game so the true killer combo would be Timbals+Skull but that seems to be taken out of the game as well.

Too bad.

Comment by hypehuman

If you have a single renew or SW:P up constantly, this item will give you an average of 35.2 damge or healing.

Math:ticks every three seconds, but lasts five seconds. So at any time, if you're in the first two seconds after a tick, you have a chance to be procced from the last two ticks. If you're in the third second after a tick, you can only be procced from the last tick. So 2/3 of the time, you have a 19% chance to have it. 1/3 of the time, you have a 10% chance to have it. That averages out to 16% (weighted by duration). That times 220 gives 35.2 damage or healing.

That's assuming that you ignore the procs and just continue to cast regardless of whether you have the buff or not. If you cast more while you have the buff, the average goes up.

Comment by Taio

As a holy priest, I'm sticking with my Blue Dragon card and my Earring. I like Renew, but this trinket just doesn't hold up against some of the awesome alternatives that raiding Holy Priests have.

Comment by Borgoth

Tested the trinket out in BT while healing just to see if it's as bad as it looks. Managed to get 21% uptime in the best fights, and I actually used extra renews to achieve that. Lot more than I should have. Well, 21% uptime for 220 +healing averages to 45 +healing, which is obviously ridiculously crappy. There are green trinkets that are twice as good as this one for healing. Not quite sure what Blizzard was thinking with only 5 sec duration. This trinket wouldn't be more than mediocre even if you reached 50% uptime.

Comment by Mythricia

This trinket is actually very, very good on one fight specifically (And most likely, the only fight in game where it's useful), Gurtogg Bloodboil.

I am usually on Bloodboil healing duty, and I approached it by using Renew only as a general rule; Renew is extremely high Healing per Mana, and the Blooboil damage is very predictable - making it a perfect opportunity to exploit Renew's amazing HpM - resulting in healing that is ridiculously more effective than CoH.

I made a in-depth analysis of this on my blog, you can read the article here.

Comment by NightmareMJ

I have this on my priest now, as far as healing goes its virtually impossible to get off more then 1 or two heals(usually another renew or prayer of mending/circle of healing where the affect if quite weak without 4 piece t5 bonus). However I respeced Holy DPS this weekend mostly holynova surge farming spec, taking on 5-10 mobs at once the damage proc was always up usually refreshing itself before it is even half over so this is very powerful for multiple enemy fights, BG pvp and very especially solo grinding/farming(excellent for WotLK if you like holy dps aoe farming to level as much as I do.).

It seems to have unlimited range and procs even after you die and resurrect so until they nerf imp shadow word pain and t6 dps set bonus this is incredibly powerful in bgs where you can have dozens of alliance dotted up and you yourself are resurrecting from death every few seconds you can be at +220 spell damage at all times!

some numbers for holynova surge aoe farming, this adds about 50-80 or more to each cast of max rank holynova and surprisingly close to that at rank 1 holy nova cast(shockingly about 24-40).