I thin the biggest story is Carlos Quentin was in a brawl, someone is going on the DL, and it isn't him.

Well, that's because Greinke was hit while leading with his left shoulder. Under the circumstances, I don't know that he could have done anything different, as leading with his throwing shoulder could have been disastrous.

From what? Greinke's mouth? Quentin has already said that he was more upset about what Greinke (allegedly) said to him than he was about being hit. The oral cavity may be crawling with various bacteria, but the danger to TCQ had passed by the time he was hit. No one would have gotten hurt had he walked to first base as directed.

Yep. As I said in the post that got split from this one, when you escalate a volatile situation sometimes the other guy kicks your ass and you end up injured. That's why you don't escalate a volatile situation. Greinke should have walked away, kicked some dirt and at least acted contrite. Instead he asked for a fight and he got one. He lost and the Dodgers will pay the price for that stupidity.

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From what? Greinke's mouth? Quentin has already said that he was more upset about what Greinke (allegedly) said to him than he was about being hit. The oral cavity may be crawling with various bacteria, but the danger to TCQ had passed by the time he was hit. No one would have gotten hurt had he walked to first base as directed.

No, he is trying to protect himself in future ABs. It will be interesting to see if Greinke throws anywhere near him again. I doubt he really was throwing at him last night, but Quentin wasn't crowding the plate as much as usual.

Yep. As I said in the post that got split from this one, when you escalate a volatile situation sometimes the other guy kicks your ass and you end up injured. That's why you don't escalate a volatile situation. Greinke should have walked away, kicked some dirt and at least acted contrite. Instead he asked for a fight and he got one. He lost and the Dodgers will pay the price for that stupidity.

Yep. That's how I saw it as well. And he was dumb enough to drop his shoulder at a man running at him that weighs 240lbs. Not very bright.

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No, he is trying to protect himself in future ABs. It will be interesting to see if Greinke throws anywhere near him again. I doubt he really was throwing at him last night, but Quentin wasn't crowding the plate as much as usual.

If he wants to remain an effective pitcher, he'd better do exactly that. I don't mean that he should throw at Quentin. If he does that after what's happened, he has no one to blame but himself if Quentin attacks him again.

Be that as it may, as soon as hitters realize that he won't pitch inside for fear of hitting them and getting tossed, he's finished as a Major League pitcher. He needs to continue to pitch as exactly as he has been. There's nothing wrong with his command, his pitch sequence, his velocity, or the movement on his pitches. He made a bad pitch to someone who has the mentality of Biff Tannen, and followed that up by provoking Biff because of something he said, when he should have kept his mouth shut.

Quentin asserts that he didn't know what Greinke said, but apparently the sight of his mouth moving was enough to send TCQ over the edge. Perhaps Greinke should wear a muzzle the next time he pitches against San Diego, provided that Quentin doesn't hurt himself trying to channel his pent up rage.

No, he is trying to protect himself in future ABs. It will be interesting to see if Greinke throws anywhere near him again. I doubt he really was throwing at him last night, but Quentin wasn't crowding the plate as much as usual.

There's an article in this post that shows the science of pitch locations relative to percentage of hits. That pitch doesn't hit anyone. Whatever your perception of that pitch location or Quentin's location at the plate is, it's wrong.

I don't think so. I don't think Greinke was throwing at TCQ, and although he shouldn't have said anything following the hit batsman, it's hard to understand Quentin's reasoning behind charging the mound when he wasn't even sure what Greinke said to him. Be that as it may, Greinke should not have tried leading with his shoulder to meet someone who outweighs him.

The most common mechanisms of clavicular fracture are as follows:

1. Fall onto shoulder or onto an outstretched hand.

2. Direct impact to the lateral portion of the clavicle, adjacent to the shoulder.

Looking at the video, it seems that Greinke actually experienced both mechanisms of trauma, as he suffered a horizontal impact to the left shoulder (by leading with it), and he was also hit near the lateral aspect of the clavicle. It's not hard at all to see why he suffered the injury. He needs to be smarter about these situations in the future.

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There's an article in this post that shows the science of pitch locations relative to percentage of hits. That pitch doesn't hit anyone. Whatever your perception of that pitch location or Quentin's location at the plate is, it's wrong.

I don't think so. I don't think Greinke was throwing at TCQ, and although he shouldn't have said anything following the hit batsman, it's hard to understand Quentin's reasoning behind charging the mound when he wasn't even sure what Greinke said to him. Be that as it may, Greinke should not have tried leading with his shoulder to meet someone who outweighs him.

The most common mechanisms of clavicular fracture are as follows:

1. Fall onto shoulder or onto an outstretched hand.

2. Direct impact to the lateral portion of the clavicle, adjacent to the shoulder.

Looking at the video, it seems that Greinke actually experienced both mechanisms of trauma, as he suffered a horizontal impact to the left shoulder (by leading with it), and he was also hit near the lateral aspect of the clavicle. It's not hard at all to see why he suffered the injury. He needs to be smarter about these situations in the future.

The article seems to blame Greinke for getting hurt because he didn't run away or tip his cap or whatever. That's ludicrous. It's someone fault they're assaulted because they won't lay down for a violent bully who'll beat them up if you don't do what they say?

Maybe the lesson is Greinke should thrown 85 straight down the heart of the plate. That way Quentin won't get mad and attack him.

The article seems to blame Greinke for getting hurt because he didn't run away or tip his cap or whatever. That's ludicrous. It's someone fault they're assaulted because they won't lay down for a violent bully who'll beat them up if you don't do what they say?

Maybe the lesson is Greinke should thrown 85 straight down the heart of the plate. That way Quentin won't get mad and attack him.

Oh give me a break. What did Quentin do BEFORE Greinke smacked him with a baseball than verbally dared Quentin to do anything about it?

There's lots of these "unwritten rules" in baseball for a reason. You don't taunt the pitcher when you hit a home run and you don't walk toward the guy you just smacked with a baseball and start mouthing off.

You are so wrapped up in this Greinke is a victim thing you can't even consider he did something to provoke the situation.

By your standards no one can ever be held accountable for their actions until things turn violent. How far do we take that ludicrous crap? I could start listing a LOT of times in history the "it's just words" defense has been used but that would turn this political.

Here's the facts...

Greinke smacked TCQ with a baseball.

TCQ stepped out on the infield and took a few steps kind of toward first and kind of toward the mound. He was clearly irritated, but he didn't charge or say anything to Grinke, just glared at him.

Greinke then said (at least) "WHAT?!?!?!?" as he walked off the mound toward TCQ.