Like I said earlier, I don't think Bundy refused to pay his cattle grazing fees because he is a racist. It's just that being a racist just comes with the territory for far right wing nuts.

I am a little disappointed that all the Bundy apologists have disappeared. Now comes the even better part where conservatives all try to pretend that Bundy isn't a "real" conservative, or they will try to paint him as a liberal because he voted Democrat 40 years ago. You can't make this stuff up.

I say this.....if all of these "patriots" wanna play army, then let them play army. Gather them all together and do a draft like they do in sports. Once drafted between the two armies. Then let them play out their silly fantasies killing each other in a war.

You brought race into this long before you ever had any kind of quote or the slightest hint of racism. You are just as guilty as Bundy.

Unlike many on here if Bush was president and this guy a hippy from SF you would be on his side regardless of the facts.

Just because the dude is a loon, doesn't mean that some of the issues aren't real. It is unfortunate that he is distracting from the greater issue about Bundy a how the federal government deals with public and private land. But as is often the case, you and a several of your like minded left wing extremist care more about attacking people who disagree than discussing the issues.

BLM does sell or lease their land holdings all the time, .... if you live in the interior West, you know. The issue here is the very small fee for grazing on public land that he (Bundy) has let build up for decades. Same thing as drivers who let unpaid parking tickets or toll fees build up ... and sometimes it results in rage - a former college work study student I knew physically assaulted a tow truck company attendant about 25 years ago when his car was towed for illegal parking. So, using the Bundy logic, the student would be right to use force to defend the illegally parked car ... taking it further, if a customer doesn't agree with his/her bills, is it then Ok (rhetorically) to bring an armed posse to a business?

Add, it seems Bundy was actually pretty smart to frame the delinquent debt as a political cause but got overconfident, leaving some important Senators hanging. Win a battle, lose the war ..

"Just because the dude is a loon, doesn't mean that some of the issues aren't real."

This is a great catch-all excuse. Cut and paste at your leisure.

Of course there are issues somewhere buried in this circus sideshow. There are always legitimate issues raised by lunatics if you search hard enough. I really don't mean to be a dick, but seriously. That's pretty weasely.

"Nevada's Democrats were quick to call out all the local Republicans who supported Bundy, including Cresent Hardy, Niger Innis, Adam Laxalt and Michele Fiore.

Fiore spoke with both Sean Hannity on Fox News and Chris Hayes on MSNBC to argue the Bundy cause. Hayes spoke with Fiore over video, as she was attending the Bundy ranch barbecue. She stopped short of saying that she agreed with Bundy in not recognizing the authority of the federal government, but questioned the heavy handedness of the BLM. "I'm not saying I agree with Cliven Bundy, what I'm saying is, the way this was handled was really suspicious." Fiore doesn't believe Bundy owes the government $1 million in unpaid grazing fees — it's probably closer to a couple hundred thousand"

"Now watch Matthew and Kat defend........ 5 4 3 2 1....... BOOM" is saying that Kat would defend Bundy, who is a racist, so that would be defending a racist. But that's just my interpretation. Kat never defended Bundy.

Matthew said he would go down there with his gun so your comment would be applicable to him

I think that since Bundy made such racist comments, any support of Bundy is an implied agreement with his racism

At the least any positive comment about Bundy has to be prefaced with condemnation of his racism

""Just because the dude is a loon, doesn't mean that some of the issues aren't real."

This is a great catch-all excuse. Cut and paste at your leisure.

Of course there are issues somewhere buried in this circus sideshow. There are always legitimate issues raised by lunatics if you search hard enough. I really don't mean to be a dick, but seriously. That's pretty weasely."

Weasely? I'm not even sure how to interperet taht, but you can get ought of here with that garbage. If you really don't want to be a dick, then I suggest you don't post like one.

I have posted on the topic in general terms and even brought a different but similar instance into the discussion. That is addressing the specific issues raised by the Bundy case without trying to elevate him (much less to the hero level as suggested by Ken in the OP) or even like the man. If you just want insult and attack, you can play with Ken.