Originally posted by Lee Nicolle.....I have seen other pics of cars with two rear wings. I reckon some 5000s used that set up too in period.

Frank Matich certainly did...

As can be seen, it ran close to the ground and Frank reckoned it gave a good overall improvement in downforce, especially at lower speeds. The pic is from Terry Marshall and is on page 239 of F5000 Thunder.

As can be seen, it ran close to the ground and Frank reckoned it gave a good overall improvement in downforce, especially at lower speeds. The pic is from Terry Marshall and is on page 239 of F5000 Thunder.

This photo has thrown up a question regarding Scuderia Ferrari at the International Trophy.

Sheldon Black Book has...#6 Jacky Ickx in chassis 0009#20 Chris Amon in chassis 0007 - also using 0009 in practice.

Motorsport Magazine states that Ferrari sent two cars to Silverstone. A new chassis with a lower mounted engine (0009) and Amon's normal race car (0007).Amon tried both cars in practice and decided he preferred his normal car, leaving the new 0009 chassis for Ickx. This would agree with the Black Books.

Now look at the photo... you will see THREE Ferraris and not TWO !!#20 in the background has the lower engine so must be 0009 practiced by Amon and raced by Ickx.#20T is probably 0007 raced by Amon but with a 'T' for practice.So what is the Ferrari chassis in the foreground, with the high engine? Whatever chassis it is it was used in practice by Ickx as #6 because I have photos of a high engine Ferrari with #6 and Ickx driving.

rob, interesting observation on the ferraris in the paddock. I searched through my books on ferrari in F1 by alan henry, anthony pritchard and others, there was no mention of a third ferrari in the text, or in the results tables. looked up chassis histories on various sites, no mention. you referred to the motor sports report, would that have been jenks on the race ? very seldom did he miss any little details, but he had a lot of ground to cover. don't have my collection of motor sports at hand at the moment. we will await further news from our learned colleagues

rob, interesting observation on the ferraris in the paddock. I searched through my books on ferrari in F1 by alan henry, anthony pritchard and others, there was no mention of a third ferrari in the text, or in the results tables. looked up chassis histories on various sites, no mention. you referred to the motor sports report, would that have been jenks on the race ? very seldom did he miss any little details, but he had a lot of ground to cover. don't have my collection of motor sports at hand at the moment. we will await further news from our learned colleagues

Mike in canada

Thanks for checking Mike.The report in Motor Sport is not by DSJ but is by DCN Rob

I never realised that the Lotus 72 made its debut at that race. Does anyone know why Chapman waited until Holland before entering the car in a Grand Prix.Edward

The 72 first appeared at the Spanish GP (held before the International Trophy) where John Miles failed to qualify. Then both Rindt and Miles were very slow at Silverstone, as the handling was poor and the car was difficult to drive. It had been designed with suspension featuring a lot of anti-dive at the front and anti-squat at the rear, and this was thought to be the cause of the problem. Major mods were thus carried out to remove these features. This took some time, so during this period the 72 was relegated to spare car status at Monaco, and Rindt opted for a 49 in Belgium, leaving the 72s to Miles and Soler-Roig.

Would I be right in assuming that the gentleman on the right above is the same person standing second left on my treasured photo below, from Detroit 1988? And would I be right in saying it is Alan Challis? The pose is uncannily similar, as well as the haircut. Thanks for posting these shots Tony.

Would I be right in assuming that the gentleman on the right above is the same person standing second left on my treasured photo below, from Detroit 1988? And would I be right in saying it is Alan Challis? The pose is uncannily similar, as well as the haircut. Thanks for posting these shots Tony.

Yes it is Alan Challis who I met on several occasions whilst he was part of the BRM set-up.

I commend those of you who don't follow the 'Racing Collectables' sub-forum to view John-w's contributions on there. He often posts photographs following the construction of his latest project(s)http://www.john-w.de/models/

From my personal wishing list for Xmas 2012: is there also a photo of Mike Parkes?
After winning the International Trophy in 1967 (1st F 1 win in Silverstone for an Englishman since Peter Collins/ 1958)
he was given the honour to start the race in 1968. This year he was still recovering from his F 1 career-ending crash in Spa in June 1967.
There is a picture of him on crutches before the start next to the Lotus cars (see Peter Darley / Life at Team Lotus)
but I have never seen a picture of him actually starting the race. Regards, Andreas

Not so. Graham Hill won the 1962 International Trophy in that thrilling finish when he drove around the outside of Clark at Woodcote on the last lap to take the win - just. Both cars were given the same race time.