OhioUGrad:ReapTheChaos: It's not about being dirt poor and not being able to afford a birth certificate, but making someone pay for one to get a voter ID is a POLL TAX .. No, it's not. You're grasping at straws and you know it.

If that's what you have to tell yourself to sleep at night.

or hell nowadays even college aged students,... Bullshiat, how did they register for college without an ID/birth cert? Hell, how do they go out drinking without one? I'll guarantee every college student has an ID or the required documentation to get one.

Aww it's precious that you think all college students drink, or are 21, or go to school in their home state/city/live at home and that parents don't register people under 18 of enrollment or that they don't use school ID (from HS as their photo ID)

I can see why other people have ignored you

What you and your ilk seem to forget is that you have to register to vote in the first place. This whole voter ID requirement only kicks in when you show up at the polls to actually cast a vote.

To register to vote you have to show that you're a US citizen or legal alien living within that state. That requires a valid form of ID and proof of residency. This is nothing new, these laws have been on the books for for decades.

All these voter ID laws are saying is, if you're currently registered to vote (which you had to show legal proof to do so) that you have to show an ID to cast your vote on election day. Nothing more. Why the fark are you people so afraid of that?

Using your college example, let me dumb this down for you. If you're from NY and you go to California to go to college, you have no right to vote in CA unless you registered to vote there, which requires showing legal residency status. However you would be allowed to cast an absentee ballot in NY, assuming you registered to vote in that state. So explain to me how these poor college students are being disenfranchised? Better yet, show me some examples of some who have been, that would be amusing.

ReapTheChaos:We have the same thing here in Texas, you have to show proof of address to get a library card. What the fark does that prove? It proves you live here, nothing else. It doesn't prove you have the right to vote. Same with a college ID, the US has countless foreign students studying at our schools and universities, having an ID from one doesn't mean you have the right to vote in our elections.

hardinparamedic:ReapTheChaos: We have the same thing here in Texas, you have to show proof of address to get a library card. What the fark does that prove? It proves you live here, nothing else. It doesn't prove you have the right to vote. Same with a college ID, the US has countless foreign students studying at our schools and universities, having an ID from one doesn't mean you have the right to vote in our elections.

ReapTheChaos:We have the same thing here in Texas, you have to show proof of address to get a library card. What the fark does that prove? It proves you live here, nothing else. It doesn't prove you have the right to vote. Same with a college ID, the US has countless foreign students studying at our schools and universities, having an ID from one doesn't mean you have the right to vote in our elections.

You know what else do not prove your eligibility to vote? Drivers license, passport, Tennessee Department of Safety and Homeland Security issued photo ID, US Military Photo ID, or a Tennessee hand gun permit with your photo.

The point is your argument serves no purpose to prevent voter fraud or to determine voter eligibility at the poles. All it is is a pointless law which shows low information voters that the Republicans are standing up for "True 'Murkians", and serves to disenfranchise and intimidate minority voters.

Ever voted in Tennessee? I have. Funny enough, I wasn't carded when I went to vote. All I did was show my voter registration.

dywed88:ReapTheChaos: We have the same thing here in Texas, you have to show proof of address to get a library card. What the fark does that prove? It proves you live here, nothing else. It doesn't prove you have the right to vote. Same with a college ID, the US has countless foreign students studying at our schools and universities, having an ID from one doesn't mean you have the right to vote in our elections.

You know what else do not prove your eligibility to vote? Drivers license, passport, Tennessee Department of Safety and Homeland Security issued photo ID, US Military Photo ID, or a Tennessee hand gun permit with your photo.

In other words: Every farking piece of ID accepted in Tennessee.

Have you been drinking? This is Fark, of course you have.

Let me spell it out. In order to vote you first have to register to vote. Now those requirements may vary from state to state, but if you haven't registered to vote, you can show up with every piece of ID known to man and you still wont be able to. Those IDs you listed are what is required when you show up at the polls to vote, this is to prove you are who you say you are. Do you not understand that?

ReapTheChaos:dywed88: ReapTheChaos: We have the same thing here in Texas, you have to show proof of address to get a library card. What the fark does that prove? It proves you live here, nothing else. It doesn't prove you have the right to vote. Same with a college ID, the US has countless foreign students studying at our schools and universities, having an ID from one doesn't mean you have the right to vote in our elections.

You know what else do not prove your eligibility to vote? Drivers license, passport, Tennessee Department of Safety and Homeland Security issued photo ID, US Military Photo ID, or a Tennessee hand gun permit with your photo.

In other words: Every farking piece of ID accepted in Tennessee.

Have you been drinking? This is Fark, of course you have.

Let me spell it out. In order to vote you first have to register to vote. Now those requirements may vary from state to state, but if you haven't registered to vote, you can show up with every piece of ID known to man and you still wont be able to. Those IDs you listed are what is required when you show up at the polls to vote, this is to prove you are who you say you are. Do you not understand that?

Except your objection to the use of student cards and library cards as voter ID was "It doesn't prove you have the right to vote. "

The point is your argument serves no purpose to prevent voter fraud or to determine voter eligibility at the poles. All it is is a pointless law which shows low information voters that the Republicans are standing up for "True 'Murkians", and serves to disenfranchise and intimidate minority voters.

Ever voted in Tennessee? I have. Funny enough, I wasn't carded when I went to vote. All I did was show my voter registration.

Of course, I'm white, so YMMV on that.

The funny thing is, your ilk keeps saying that voter fraud doesn't exist, yet you're all so afraid of laws which require people to do something as commonplace as show a valid ID. Its honestly makes no sense.

If a law was passed to prevent someone from applying for credit without showing a valid form of ID, you would have no problem, identity theft would be a thing of the past, yet ask someone to show ID to cast a vote and suddenly the world comes to an end? You people never cease to amuse me.

What has been pointed out to you is that many clams of "voter fraud" in recent history have been outright fraudulent, misconstrued, or even the work of the party who claimed voter fraud in the first place. How many "overzealous staffers" were charged with voter intimidation and fraud after the 2012 election, again?

ReapTheChaos:yet you're all so afraid of laws which require people to do something as commonplace as show a valid ID

Not really. I'd support it if A) All of the IDs were free of charge, and B) the IDs were easy to obtain, including free public transportation to a local DMV for those who do not have the ability to drive.

As A and B are not going to happen anytime soon, yes, I oppose the laws. Because the laws, as written, are applied with an obvious racial bias, and are used to intimidate voters rather than to ensure voting honesty.

ReapTheChaos:If a law was passed to prevent someone from applying for credit without showing a valid form of ID, you would have no problem, identity theft would be a thing of the past,

That is the funniest thing I have ever read on the internet in a long time.

dywed88:ReapTheChaos: dywed88: ReapTheChaos: We have the same thing here in Texas, you have to show proof of address to get a library card. What the fark does that prove? It proves you live here, nothing else. It doesn't prove you have the right to vote. Same with a college ID, the US has countless foreign students studying at our schools and universities, having an ID from one doesn't mean you have the right to vote in our elections.

You know what else do not prove your eligibility to vote? Drivers license, passport, Tennessee Department of Safety and Homeland Security issued photo ID, US Military Photo ID, or a Tennessee hand gun permit with your photo.

In other words: Every farking piece of ID accepted in Tennessee.

Have you been drinking? This is Fark, of course you have.

Let me spell it out. In order to vote you first have to register to vote. Now those requirements may vary from state to state, but if you haven't registered to vote, you can show up with every piece of ID known to man and you still wont be able to. Those IDs you listed are what is required when you show up at the polls to vote, this is to prove you are who you say you are. Do you not understand that?

Except your objection to the use of student cards and library cards as voter ID was "It doesn't prove you have the right to vote. "

Perfect example of a completely pointless statement.

Let me spell it out for you. I can move into a house in your city, call the electric company for service and say my name is "dywed88" Now I have an electric bill with that name at my address and I can go get a library card in that name. Done. Easy as pie. (That is, after all, all most libraries require is a utility bill as proof of name and address.)

So you're saying it's perfectly OK for me to show up at the polls and vote using that name?

If banks accepted that kind of frivolous documentation you would be screaming about identity theft and demanding the government do something about it.

ReapTheChaos:If banks accepted that kind of frivolous documentation you would be screaming about identity theft and demanding the government do something about it.

It's a good thing that there's no such thing as opening an account under false pretenses and easily forged drivers licenses that are commonly used to launder money related to drugs and organized crime.

Otherwise, we might have several pointless state laws in Tennessee, you know - where I live and you don't - in addition to a few redundant federal laws that we might need to discuss.

hardinparamedic:I'd support it if A) All of the IDs were free of charge, and B) the IDs were easy to obtain, including free public transportation to a local DMV for those who do not have the ability to drive.

A) They are free, at least here in Texas.

B) If they don't have the ability to drive to the DMV, how the fark do they get to the polls to vote? If they have a ride to the polls, can't that person give them a ride to the DMV?

hardinparamedic:ReapTheChaos: If banks accepted that kind of frivolous documentation you would be screaming about identity theft and demanding the government do something about it.

It's a good thing that there's no such thing as opening an account under false pretenses and easily forged drivers licenses that are commonly used to launder money related to drugs and organized crime.

Otherwise, we might have several pointless state laws in Tennessee, you know - where I live and you don't - in addition to a few redundant federal laws that we might need to discuss.

So now your average dirt poor disenfranchised voter who can't manage a ride to the DMV is equivalent to a money launderer. Wow. Just wow.

They're not in Tennessee unless you're older than 65 or disabled or a medal of honor winner.

ReapTheChaos:B) If they don't have the ability to drive to the DMV, how the fark do they get to the polls to vote? If they have a ride to the polls, can't that person give them a ride to the DMV?

Irrelevant and out of touch. Most voting in Tennessee is done in the neighborhood level, quite literally a walk from your house to the polling location. Most counties, if they even have one, have only one DMV and then the person must also go to the county seat and register to vote at the courthouse.

hardinparamedic:ReapTheChaos: So now your average dirt poor disenfranchised voter who can't manage a ride to the DMV is equivalent to a money launderer. Wow. Just wow.

Never. Ever. EVER. Lecture anyone else on their presumptive intelligence or logic again on FARK. There's no other possible way for that to be taken.

That comment was so astoundingly stupid that it beats out creationists.

And yes. It was mocking your argument that a photo ID somehow will eliminate voter fraud.

When you boil it all down all you really have going for you is finely tuned talking points and well rehearsed buzzwords. You may mistake that for thinking you have won every debate you've entered into but you would be wrong in that thought.

Have fun with that knowledge. I'm done with this nonsense. Life is to short to let myself get drawn into a battle of the wits with someone who is so obviously ill equipped . I've got better things to do.

ReapTheChaos:hardinparamedic: ReapTheChaos: So now your average dirt poor disenfranchised voter who can't manage a ride to the DMV is equivalent to a money launderer. Wow. Just wow.

Never. Ever. EVER. Lecture anyone else on their presumptive intelligence or logic again on FARK. There's no other possible way for that to be taken.

That comment was so astoundingly stupid that it beats out creationists.

And yes. It was mocking your argument that a photo ID somehow will eliminate voter fraud.

When you boil it all down all you really have going for you is finely tuned talking points and well rehearsed buzzwords. You may mistake that for thinking you have won every debate you've entered into but you would be wrong in that thought.

Have fun with that knowledge. I'm done with this nonsense. Life is to short to let myself get drawn into a battle of the wits with someone who is so obviously ill equipped . I've got better things to do.

And here I thought you were going to bed. I guess you have insomnia, then?

I'm here all night, sweetheart. I've actually responded to your statements - not with "finely tuned talking points and buzzwords (LOL. Just outright call me a shill, okay?)" - but with the actual issues we in Tennessee are having to deal with through a voter ID law that is not open and easily accessible to a substantial number of the population in Mississippi, Tennessee, or Alabama.

Again. Other than regurgitating tripe that conservative PACs and "think tanks" have promoted, you have absolutely no idea of what's going on up here in Tennessee or the Mississippi delta area. You continually demonstrate that.

And stop talking like a bond villain. You're not near as clever or as smart as one.

ReapTheChaos:dywed88: ReapTheChaos: dywed88: ReapTheChaos: We have the same thing here in Texas, you have to show proof of address to get a library card. What the fark does that prove? It proves you live here, nothing else. It doesn't prove you have the right to vote. Same with a college ID, the US has countless foreign students studying at our schools and universities, having an ID from one doesn't mean you have the right to vote in our elections.

You know what else do not prove your eligibility to vote? Drivers license, passport, Tennessee Department of Safety and Homeland Security issued photo ID, US Military Photo ID, or a Tennessee hand gun permit with your photo.

In other words: Every farking piece of ID accepted in Tennessee.

Have you been drinking? This is Fark, of course you have.

Let me spell it out. In order to vote you first have to register to vote. Now those requirements may vary from state to state, but if you haven't registered to vote, you can show up with every piece of ID known to man and you still wont be able to. Those IDs you listed are what is required when you show up at the polls to vote, this is to prove you are who you say you are. Do you not understand that?

Except your objection to the use of student cards and library cards as voter ID was "It doesn't prove you have the right to vote. "

Perfect example of a completely pointless statement.

Let me spell it out for you. I can move into a house in your city, call the electric company for service and say my name is "dywed88" Now I have an electric bill with that name at my address and I can go get a library card in that name. Done. Easy as pie. (That is, after all, all most libraries require is a utility bill as proof of name and address.)

So you're saying it's perfectly OK for me to show up at the polls and vote using that name?

If banks accepted that kind of frivolous documentation you would be screaming about identity theft and demanding the government do something about it.

Except to change your address on a drivers license requires nothing more than a statement that that is your address. And to apply for a Tennessee I can just provide the same documents as to apply for a library card.

Perhaps if you weren't acting as if information which is taught in tenth grade social studies and readily available on the internet doesn't exist I'd treat you as something other than a blithering idiot. :)

brimed03:The UN frowns when it's a specific "some people" who have to walk father, as when polling stations are all set up in predominately white neighborhoods. Neighborhoods that are then patrolled by police who pull over, harass, intimidate, and arrest non-whites for entering that neighborhood.

Despite your rather daunting ignorance of the UN and the UN Charter in specific, you are 100 percent correct here, I wanted to say.