The recession has seen a dearth of decent sub-editors throughout the universe, because I'm even seeing that happen at places like the BBC.

Anyhow, I've got to the point in the Katie Grand piece where she's said:

“Authority is knowledge. If someone goes onto the Fashion Spot and writes that a magazine is dreadful, that’s different from Cathy Horyn saying it is dreadful because there is an authoritative, experienced voice behind the latter point of view.”

If someone goes onto the Fashion Spot and writes that they didn't buy your magazine because they didn't like it, that's a type of knowledge that's perhaps worth paying attention to, so you can discover how to make your magazine really resonate with all sorts of readers.

And in the end, if someone does purchase the product, they get to have an opinion on it, even if they seem offensively uninformed.

Anyone who goes onto the Fashion Spot and writes that the magazine was dreadful - that person is a potential convert, not someone to be dismissed. An editor should be excited at the prospect of getting her hands on those opinions and turning them around.

Very well said. Its constructive criticism after all. They should be grateful that there is input from readers who have genuine interest in fashion.

__________________Fashion is not about utility. It is merely a piece of iconography, to express an individuals identity.

What Panos is saying got me depressed. If he
ever stops styling, I wish him the best ! Though I hope I'll be still able to catch an eye on his career .... ahah
In his itw, I really like the snake behaviour of the itw-er ... Like you're saying your work is being true to yourself and style, though I don't associate Cavalli or Dolce or Hermès or H&B to your style ... I felt weird reading this, like "well probably Panos is one of those ambitious wolves" .... I don't know ...

I think it's highlighting the difference between his personal work and commercial work. It's even discussed in the interview.

Ahah ... For how long haven't you come to Europe Patrick ? We are 27, now !

Joke apart ... I'm not sure what he says about Testino, Sims, McDean etc. is right ... First, to me, they don't belong to same generation and school ... Putting Testino next to McDean in the same sentence makes no-sense in my mind ...
Second, how many photog of the Demarchelier generation are still working that much ? Lindbergh ? Weber ? Ok ... Now Ritts ? Dead ! Bill King ? Dead ! Malignon ? Heu ..... Albert Watson ? Seems to be no more in fashion .... Bensimon ? Only worked for Elle ! Elgort ? Hispard ? They don't work as much as Demarchelier, now ... Hispard may work as much as Carmen Dell' O. (Carmen is an old model, she's still working for JPG I believe ...), so c'mone !
So yes, these "young" photographers, as they are called, are probably younger than Demarchelier ... But sorry to say that they cannot be considered new anymore in the Industry and they work along Demarchelier, Lindbergh etc. ... and as much as them ! When you see that Sims works for Grace and Marie-Amélie at Vogue US ... Probably, Demarchelier's noticing is no longer in the game .........

Viviane Sassen, Karim Sadly, Willy Vanderperre may be called the "new" generation, not Testino, Patrick !

And because I didn't know in which year he was born, I started looking through wiki and after I checked all the photographers that came in my mind and who were working great in the 80s, and the "new" generation :

hhahahahah Testino in te same sentense of Mcdean. David Sims is stupid , say Testino are new?? so Mert Alas are a baby??
Com on Patrick you know Mario Testino, Steven Meisel, Steven Klein are big photographers and 2 of this up to you

“Authority is knowledge. If someone goes onto the Fashion Spot and writes that a magazine is dreadful, that’s different from Cathy Horyn saying it is dreadful because there is an authoritative, experienced voice behind the latter point of view.”

If someone goes onto the Fashion Spot and writes that they didn't buy your magazine because they didn't like it, that's a type of knowledge that's perhaps worth paying attention to, so you can discover how to make your magazine really resonate with all sorts of readers.

And in the end, if someone does purchase the product, they get to have an opinion on it, even if they seem offensively uninformed.

Anyone who goes onto the Fashion Spot and writes that the magazine was dreadful - that person is a potential convert, not someone to be dismissed. An editor should be excited at the prospect of getting her hands on those opinions and turning them around.

Katie Grand needs to realise that those very people on fashionspot are some of the people who actually buy her magazines, without them she wouldn't have a magazine, l find her comment insulting!!

^ I don't, particularly. Obviously as a member of the fashion spot I am interested in reading what the members here write and have to say. But I absolutely agree that at the end of the day, I would take the opinion of someone who had worked as a critic for years and years more seriously than I would the opinions of the members here. Anyone can join TFS and trash on American Vogue or their least favorite model; not everyone can work their way up the ladder and become the main fashion critic at the NYT. Respecting that position and the experience it stands for makes sense in my mind, even if you disagree with what Horyn says. Even if you don't respect Horyn more, you might admit that hers is a different kind of opinion--anyone, young or old, ignorant or educated, can join TFS (or apply to join it, at least), and the ease of gaining membership here means that the value of the opinions offered here decreases comparatively.

Anyway, I doubt that magazine editors are more concerned with the writing on here about magazines than the posting of the magazines' content by members; how many people don't buy a magazine because they can see all the editorial content online?