At 5/12/09 12:58 AM, Guest8792 wrote:
probably just knocked him unconscious. No biggie, I mean, you did kick him in the neck.

He kicks him in the right spot of the neck, that guy's neck probably snaps and could be paralyzed for life, if not dead. Taking a kick in the neck with enough force behind it can really do a lot of damage, and most likely more damage than intended.

At 5/12/09 12:58 AM, Guest8792 wrote:
probably just knocked him unconscious. No biggie, I mean, you did kick him in the neck.

He kicks him in the right spot of the neck, that guy's neck probably snaps and could be paralyzed for life, if not dead. Taking a kick in the neck with enough force behind it can really do a lot of damage, and most likely more damage than intended.

Broken neck could easily lead to death. Damaged neck could mean being paralized. Another possibility is that Ozcar kicked him a bit too close to the throat. Things might seem fine, but then the guy's throat swells up later, causing death since he won't be able to breath. That last part can be avoided if he gets medical attention soon.

Rather than a Life or Death situation when it started, this was a fight. Ozcar could get into a lot of trouble if one of those guys is seriously hurt.

Ozcar's best bet is to keep an eye on the news.... And hope they don't cover a story involving a dead man in the local area.

Rather than a Life or Death situation when it started, this was a fight. Ozcar could get into a lot of trouble if one of those guys is seriously hurt.

Ozcar's best bet is to keep an eye on the news.... And hope they don't cover a story involving a dead man in the local area.

At the same time though, like what Manny and others have been saying, he could plead it was a self-defense situation. He has the witnesses for it to explain the full extent of the situation.

I really don't think he needs to worry about anything just yet until we know the status of those involved in the fight. Hopefully he didn't end up killing anybody, but at the same time, he shouldn't really worry if he did.

If the person that called 911 can identify you, yes, you are definitely going to jail, especially if you frightened them. What you should do right now is get out of town and go stay at a friends place, lay low for a couple of weeks and phone back to see how things are going. Unless the police are prone to bribes, I'd say you're almost certainly going to jail.

But seriously, whoever phoned the police probably saw the whole thing and they are probably deathly afraid of you, they might even expand the truth just to make sure you go behind bars. Leaving town is your best way of avoiding jail at this point. Don't tell anyone where you go, just leave a note that says you're leaving for a couple weeks.

At 5/12/09 02:47 AM, Otto wrote:
Was posting it on the internet a really good idea? Doesn't this just make solid evidence?

If anything, I would think this could be used against him, considering he had an idea of the possible outcome, saw the police on the scene of the crime, and didn't tell them he had something to do with it.

Pertaining to this thread being used against him.

Anyways though, just keep your head up bro.. Hopefully the guy heals well, and the whole thing blows over with no problem. It was self defense on your part though, and while you're in another county, you didn't commit a crime, you didn't purposely kill a man, and I'm sure you didn't even mean to leave him in that state to begin with.

It's not as if you repeatedly beat him, or continued to strike him once he was down.

Rather than a Life or Death situation when it started, this was a fight. Ozcar could get into a lot of trouble if one of those guys is seriously hurt.

Ozcar's best bet is to keep an eye on the news.... And hope they don't cover a story involving a dead man in the local area.

At the same time though, like what Manny and others have been saying, he could plead it was a self-defense situation. He has the witnesses for it to explain the full extent of the situation.

I really don't think he needs to worry about anything just yet until we know the status of those involved in the fight. Hopefully he didn't end up killing anybody, but at the same time, he shouldn't really worry if he did.

If things DO get hairy, Ozcar's best bet might be to plead "Third Party Self-defense." Since the girl's dad got the worst of it, until Ozcar stepped in; it'll look better. From his account, Ozcar's life wasn't in danger. But if the girl's dad had been kicked in the head while down.... That's a different story.

Thing is, laws vary. In some places, they don't recognize self-defense of a third party. In others, they do. Still in other places, there are restrictions put into place. Such as, you can only use that defense if defending a family member or relative from being harmed by someone. I have no clue what the S.D. laws are like in Mexico.

At 5/12/09 12:40 AM, Hawdcore wrote:
Thats nuts you couldn't have killed the man with a punch in the face he probably just got a broken nose and needs plastic surgery and the man you kicked in the throat was hopefully... still breathing if he wasn't im assuming that the medics would have saved him. I think you still might go to jail and all I know it sucks ass in there because my dad was in jail at cali and he said that the food that he got was all old and stale and was molding so im assuming that a mexican jail is like hell

I dunno, what if the person had a problem or something, internal bleeding (unlikely, but strong attacks can do that to some people, especially if any punch is as strong as a baseball bat,), sensitive skin, or any other of those problems.

At 5/12/09 04:06 AM, Reckon wrote:
But seriously? One kick = death? I think he was just unconscious.

Out of all the crappy movies Elvis made, he did get one thing right...

The one where his character ends up in jail. His character punches a guy, just once, and the guy falls. He ends up hitting his head on the way down and dies. That's actually realistic. One punch or one kick can bring Death. One of those, "Oops, I didn't mean to kill him" moments. Could be 100% true. Doesn't change where you're going to end up.

But we're being premature. If the police don't knock on Ozcar's door in the next week, it's likely they never will. Likely the guy was just unconsious, and the cops wrote it up as just another late-night fight.

Rather than a Life or Death situation when it started, this was a fight. Ozcar could get into a lot of trouble if one of those guys is seriously hurt.

Ozcar's best bet is to keep an eye on the news.... And hope they don't cover a story involving a dead man in the local area.

At the same time though, like what Manny and others have been saying, he could plead it was a self-defense situation. He has the witnesses for it to explain the full extent of the situation.

I really don't think he needs to worry about anything just yet until we know the status of those involved in the fight. Hopefully he didn't end up killing anybody, but at the same time, he shouldn't really worry if he did.

Exactly - he stepped in to try and break the situation down and to try to stop his student's father getting hurt. Plus there was a woman in the car, screaming. Things got out of hand, they turned on him - instinct and his many years of training took over.
It wouldn't have crossed his mind how hard his kick was or how hard the ground the guy was going to fall on was, more "he's coming at me like this, so I'll defend myself by doing this".

The neck is a very weak area, period, and a kick can be a lot more powerful than anyone who hasn't trained in anything can really give it credit for - your whole body's strength can be put behind it.

Best of luck with it Ozcar, I'm sure things will work out fine so long as you're honest from the start and have someone reliable defending you if it gets that far.

I woke up this morning and while I was getting ready to go to work I turned on the TV...10 minutes later I was drinking a cup of coffee and I saw on the Local news about this, and there were other things that I didn't know and that I will post:

When the police arrived, the checked the guys and asked for an ambulance, while they were waiting for the ambulance the guy that I knocked out first sat down and when he saw he was surrounded by the police he tried to run away...However, he couldn't go far because the police stopped him and checked him out...They found out that the guy had A GUN with him, a 9mm gun, and they put him the handcuffs till the Ambulance arrived.

When the ambulance arrived (10 minutes later) they checked the guy that I knocked out second, yeah, the guy wasn't dead, he was just unconscious but was really bad injured, they had to make him a tracheotomy right there because he couldn't breath well,. They also checked the other guy (The one I punched on the face) and he had his nose broken and he also lost 3 teeth...Although I thought I broke his jaw, I didn't do it, it seems it was just his teeth that what I felt I broken when I hit him...

Meanwhile, the police started checking the guys' belongings and they found out in one of their bags crack cocaine in 50 small baggies, READY FOR SELL! so 2 police officers went with them on the Ambulance to the hospital and both of them were handcuffed...

However, the police didn't know what happened...Some people said that a car hit them while they were in the bike and made them fall, letting them as they were when the police arrived...Other people said that there was a fight between a rival gang and after they hit them with the car, they kicked their ass out... Other versions said that a man that came from no where kicked their ass while they were in the middle of an argument with the people that crash them... Police is still investigating....

At 5/12/09 01:29 AM, TRlCKY wrote:
Hey cool I do taekwondo too! I'm currently a yellow belt almost green belt.

Good, keep up the good work...

Well that's what I have to say, hope you read this and take what I said into consideration.

Thanks, as you can see, I've answered many of the things you posted about....

At 5/12/09 01:40 AM, Fleshlight wrote:
ooh right in the neck. That has gotta hurt

lol

I think I hit him a little lower...closer to his chest... He must've lost conscious when his skull hit the ground....

Thanks to God the AFI doesn't know how to read in English...Oh...wait, your post was in Spanish god damn! >:(

JK

Thanks Cesar for the support... I hope you're right....

At 5/12/09 02:35 AM, Monocrom wrote:

At 5/12/09 02:16 AM, Gooch wrote:

Broken neck could easily lead to death. Damaged neck could mean being paralized. Another possibility is that Ozcar kicked him a bit too close to the throat. Things might seem fine, but then the guy's throat swells up later, causing death since he won't be able to breath. That last part can be avoided if he gets medical attention soon.

Well, as I pointed out, it seems he wasn't dead, just unconscious... I hit him on an area between his throat and his chest...

At 5/12/09 02:47 AM, Otto wrote:
Was posting it on the internet a really good idea? Doesn't this just make solid evidence?

Well, they don't know who I am...

At 5/12/09 03:07 AM, Prinzy2 wrote:
If the person that called 911 can identify you, yes, you are definitely going to jail, especially if you frightened them. What you should do right now is get out of town and go stay at a friends place, lay low for a couple of weeks and phone back to see how things are going. Unless the police are prone to bribes, I'd say you're almost certainly going to jail.

I'm well know on the area...In fact, as I said before, I've been teaching taekwondo in the area for the last 9 years and wherever I go almost everyone recognizes me....I do believe that they knew who I am and where they could find me without a problem....But I'm not really afraid now...Not now that I know that the guy is not dead...

At 5/12/09 03:30 AM, Haoie wrote:
Nice story. No ninjas?

There were like 30 Ninjas around us...Oh...wait, they were no Ninjas, they were ordinary people using surgery mask because the swine flu...so, no...There were no Ninjas...

At 5/12/09 04:06 AM, Reckon wrote:
But seriously? One kick = death? I think he was just unconscious.

I know I can kill a person with a single movement if I want to....

At 5/12/09 05:15 AM, geohoundz55 wrote:
you just feel the guilt..
but don't worry I'll call you a hero.
They deserve it.

I wouldn't feel like a hero if I had killed someone... no matter how low life he is, he deserves to live... I'd call myself a Killer... a plain and simple killer...

Ozcar, now hearing the outcome that those two were drug dealers, I hope you don't mind that I applaud you. If I was in your situation I would've done the same thing, especially if a friends Dad was getting beaten up and I had the ability to stop it. Hopefully those two bastards will do some time and if there is any justice in the world you won't get charged with anything.