The invisible hand of the market will take care of this. People will stop going to those sites once they realize they aren't the official ones, the owner will lose money and sell them. Don't give up the dream Ron.

I serious hope that libertarian island gets created (I kind of doubt it will) because I would love to watch how the fail.

Most likely it would be like that family guy episode were Peter becomes a Tea Party member gets rid of government but then sets up a group that is 100% identical to government but called something else.

log_jammin:I'm embarrassed to admit that I'm still registered as a libertarian. I was even just across the hall from the county clerks office when I was getting my drivers license renewed a couple of days ago.

I guess I'm just lazy. Or hungover. Or tired. Or all three.

Either way. fark the LP and fark RON PAUL.

To be fair, Ron Paul isn't a member of the Libertarian Party, he's just a Republican pretending to be a Libertarian.

Mrtraveler01:log_jammin: I'm embarrassed to admit that I'm still registered as a libertarian. I was even just across the hall from the county clerks office when I was getting my drivers license renewed a couple of days ago.

I guess I'm just lazy. Or hungover. Or tired. Or all three.

Either way. fark the LP and fark RON PAUL.

To be fair, Ron Paul isn't a member of the Libertarian Party, he's just a Republican pretending to be a Libertarian.

But the LP is screwed up enough on its own without his help.

Oh I know. But the LP is filled with members who pretend they aren't republicans.

log_jammin:Mrtraveler01: log_jammin: I'm embarrassed to admit that I'm still registered as a libertarian. I was even just across the hall from the county clerks office when I was getting my drivers license renewed a couple of days ago.

I guess I'm just lazy. Or hungover. Or tired. Or all three.

Either way. fark the LP and fark RON PAUL.

To be fair, Ron Paul isn't a member of the Libertarian Party, he's just a Republican pretending to be a Libertarian.

But the LP is screwed up enough on its own without his help.

Oh I know. But the LP is filled with members who pretend they aren't republicans.

I remember when the Libertarians had alot of liberals in the party and were kinda left leaning. That does not seem to be the case anymore. Bunch a free market nutjobs who think Ann Rand is the second coming now it looks like. Now its like the Libertarians and Republicans are fighting to see who can be the bigger a-hole while both agreeing that democrats suck.

ItchyMcDoogle:I remember when the Libertarians had alot of liberals in the party and were kinda left leaning. That does not seem to be the case anymore. Bunch a free market nutjobs who think Ann Rand is the second coming now it looks like. Now its like the Libertarians and Republicans are fighting to see who can be the bigger a-hole while both agreeing that democrats suck.

derpy:And one-issue "legalize it" stoners, who are too baked to notice the rest of the platform and think its sorta like Liberal, right man?

Maybe I should retract that, I'm old and it's been a long time since The Grateful Dead toured...

ItchyMcDoogle:I remember when the Libertarians had alot of liberals in the party and were kinda left leaning. That does not seem to be the case anymore. Bunch a free market nutjobs who think Ann Rand is the second coming now it looks like. Now its like the Libertarians and Republicans are fighting to see who can be the bigger a-hole while both agreeing that democrats suck.

You can count on two things from Republicans and libertarians to do without question. Side with business over workers and side with states over individuals.

ItchyMcDoogle:I remember when the Libertarians had alot of liberals in the party and were kinda left leaning. That does not seem to be the case anymore. Bunch a free market nutjobs who think Ann Rand is the second coming now it looks like. Now its like the Libertarians and Republicans are fighting to see who can be the bigger a-hole while both agreeing that democrats suck.

That's because Republicans realize how embarrassing their policies have been and started to self-identify as "Independent" and "Libertarian." When Sean Hannity says he's a Libertarian then you know that brand is done and you need to burn it down and start over somewhere else.

Corvus:I serious hope that libertarian island gets created (I kind of doubt it will) because I would love to watch how the fail.

For-profit ports have thrived in the past. People who want only a little bit of anarchy, when it is favorable to them, would take advantage of such a place to get certain things done outside the reach of the governments of the nations they actually live and operate in. As long as it remained small, it could live off of business from real nations. If it ever started taking itself seriously as a nation in its own right, yeah, there would be a disaster.

odinsposse:ItchyMcDoogle: I remember when the Libertarians had alot of liberals in the party and were kinda left leaning. That does not seem to be the case anymore. Bunch a free market nutjobs who think Ann Rand is the second coming now it looks like. Now its like the Libertarians and Republicans are fighting to see who can be the bigger a-hole while both agreeing that democrats suck.

That's because Republicans realize how embarrassing their policies have been and started to self-identify as "Independent" and "Libertarian." When Sean Hannity says he's a Libertarian then you know that brand is done and you need to burn it down and start over somewhere else.

Exactly. I was going to make a similar statement. That is part of what helped mess up Mitt Romney's own polling; the misconception he had the majority of "independent" voters and not realizing they were not true "independents", but Republicans. It has gotten to the point that most self-procalimed "Independents" are really just Republicans upset with the national party, but still vote a pretty much an all Republican ballot. Towards the end of the election, political pundits like John Avlon started using the term "centrist" voter to differentiate between them and the actual ideological "independent-minded" voters.

"Now its like the Libertarians and Republicans are fighting to see who can be the bigger a-hole while both agreeing that democrats suck."

A friend asked me to listen to Neil Boortz once, sayinghe was a "libertarian", not "Republican" and gave an "independent/common sense" perspective. So I gave dude a listen. He basically was a more bitter and less refined version of Rush Limbaugh. Your statement pretty much sums up Neil Boortz.

As far as Ron Paul goes,this just backs up my assertations I made after the racist fund raising newsletters in his name were revealed that Ron Paul claimed he had no part of. Ron Paul is nothing but a political charlatan.

Corvus:I serious hope that libertarian island gets created (I kind of doubt it will) because I would love to watch how the fail.

Most likely it would be like that family guy episode were Peter becomes a Tea Party member gets rid of government but then sets up a group that is 100% identical to government but called something else.

I post this in nearly every Ron Paul thread because I feel it's prescient:

There is a special valueset that Ron Paul advocates, and this valueset always seems to attract the most fearlessly individualistic: Libertarians, militia groups, Objectivists, 4channers and teenage miscreants -- in other words, people who are total shiat-bags and want to live in a system where they are permitted to be total shiat-bags without consequence.

They call it "freedom", of course, but truth be known there are more important things in society than freedom, which to these people has been wrapped into its own religious mythology so pure and exalted that it has stunted their personal growth as normal, able-bodied, well-adjusted people ("freedom", after all, isn't a reason to do things; it is a rationalization for doing them).

They also subscribe to the Austrian School of Economics, which is an economic system that consists entirely of ideological catchphrases, talking points and flowing rhetoric deliberately left open to interpretation, has no scientific basis or any practical application, and conflicts with obvious empirical data (Austrian school is in opposition to empiricism. Their papers use no math, in a subject that is all about math). One of the most distinguishing characteristics of most followers of the Austrian school is that they often display a gross misunderstanding of modern economics.

But probably the worst thing about Ron Paul, his followers and their socio-political ideological underpinnings is their inherent belief that everyone will behave themselves if we all just leave each other alone. This ideal -- the honor system -- has never been known to work in any open system, location or culture in the history of the world.

Any philosophy (whether its political, or moral, or economic) that doesn't start with the basic premise that people are flaming assholes is fundamentally flawed.

Ishkur:I post this in nearly every Ron Paul thread because I feel it's prescient:

There is a special valueset that Ron Paul advocates, and this valueset always seems to attract the most fearlessly individualistic: Libertarians, militia groups, Objectivists, 4channers and teenage miscreants -- in other words, people who are total shiat-bags and want to live in a system where they are permitted to be total shiat-bags without consequence.

They call it "freedom", of course, but truth be known there are more important things in society than freedom, which to these people has been wrapped into its own religious mythology so pure and exalted that it has stunted their personal growth as normal, able-bodied, well-adjusted people ("freedom", after all, isn't a reason to do things; it is a rationalization for doing them).

They also subscribe to the Austrian School of Economics, which is an economic system that consists entirely of ideological catchphrases, talking points and flowing rhetoric deliberately left open to interpretation, has no scientific basis or any practical application, and conflicts with obvious empirical data (Austrian school is in opposition to empiricism. Their papers use no math, in a subject that is all about math). One of the most distinguishing characteristics of most followers of the Austrian school is that they often display a gross misunderstanding of modern economics.

But probably the worst thing about Ron Paul, his followers and their socio-political ideological underpinnings is their inherent belief that everyone will behave themselves if we all just leave each other alone. This ideal -- the honor system -- has never been known to work in any open system, location or culture in the history of the world.

Any philosophy (whether its political, or moral, or economic) that doesn't start with the basic premise that people are flaming assholes is fundamentally flawed.

log_jammin:ItchyMcDoogle: I remember when the Libertarians had alot of liberals in the party and were kinda left leaning. That does not seem to be the case anymore. Bunch a free market nutjobs who think Ann Rand is the second coming now it looks like. Now its like the Libertarians and Republicans are fighting to see who can be the bigger a-hole while both agreeing that democrats suck.

You can count on two things from Republicans and libertarians to do without question. Side with business over workers and side with states over individuals.

Have fun living in a banana republic everyone. I love the above statement about economics being a science, because people can obviously be used interchangeably as inputs/outputs, all that. Whatever. Hubris is a biatch.