They want to charge for carbon to drive up costs of fossil fuels to in excess of $8 per gallon so then, and only then, algae and wind and other not-efficient renewables have a chance to be competitive.

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I can understand the left thinking they can spend and spend and somehow there won’t be any negative results.

How do they justify increasing energy costs though? These costs will hit the lower middle and lower income classes far more than the upper middle and upper classes.

Besides the economic damage they will do the increased energy costs will directly affect those least able to survive them.

How do they justify this? How did so many vote for this sort of policy? Or do they think that LIHEAP will keep it from affecting them?

LIHEAP isn’t that much and it’s a payment dictated not by how large your heating bill is but how much income you have available. Plus it’s not indexed for inflation (I believe) and I don’t see the House voting to increase it.

And besides they only subsidize the heating bill. That does nothing for anyone’s electric bill.

My favorite is when they blame the evil energy producers for increases in prices, when they go all populist and get their outrage on. Especially when their actions, regulations, and agendas were the cause of the increases.

Wind is a tax dodge and always has been. It will never, ever be competitive and large-scale wind farms (large enough to make an economic difference) are environmentally disruptive. Algae and garbage and geothermal and such are fairy tales told to innumerate greens.

Solar can compete for electricity in some areas. In Buffalo, no. In Phoenix, yes. In Hawaii it’s all over the place. It depends on the alternatives.

Like it or not, coal is over. Fewer coal plants, fewer coal mines, no new ones.

But the real deal when it comes to fixed locations, both electric and heat, is natural gas. With fracking it displaces everything else. and will drive the cost down over time (to the point where solar needs much cheaper installation costs to compete and everything else is dead).

The basic fact is that environmentalism is a religion. Did the crusaders worry about how they were going to get home after they took Jerusalem ? Of course not. God would provide. In this case Gaia will provide.

Someone will have to consult Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals to see if there’s any chapter and verse regarding energy consumption. Perhaps John Favreau or whomever else had a hand in penning Obama’s The Audacity of Hope may have mentioned how high energy prices fits into the progressive wet dream.
But my initial assessment is that it fuels resentment among the lower and “middle” classes toward “Big Oil” and the utility companies, because they are the ones who feel the most adverse effects of raised energy prices, particularly at the gas pump and at the grocery store, where food prices will be greatly affected by higher transportation costs.
Nevermind that the government forces higher prices through regulatory practices—the lower classes and many working middle class people don’t pay attention to those details any more than they care about Fast & Furious, Benghazi, or any of the 5,001 hard left wing connections in Obama’s background.

That resentment toward Oil and utilities elicits “a grassroots demand !” for more regulatory practices by the Saviors known as the Federal Government.

I think the lefties seriously want to keep the lower classes and working middle classes angry at Big Oil, Big Business, Wall Street, rich guys, capitalists, and your Uncle Fred who owns a vacation home overlooking a lake, because it is fuel for phony populist anger that the Democrats are famous for, but even more importantly, the lefties don’t want the lower classes and working middle classes to climb the proverbial ladder and improve their lot in life who invest and make profits—because they’re more likely to become Republicans if they have property and investments and a portfolio to protect.

There were two winning tickets for the Powerball Lottery that was up to something like $575 million dollars a couple weeks ago. There was a winning ticket in Arizona, and a winning ticket in Missouri.
In one of his monologues, Jay Leno said, “In other words, the two winners will now be known as, ‘former Democrats.’

It would take 67 pairs of local nesting golden eagles to produce enough young to compensate for the mortality rate related to wind energy production. Death Count 67 a year for 3 decades. On my farm in Mn. I see the bat population decreasing because of these contraptions.

Could a rhino mention this and be the first to address it?
If it were an oil spill 1 sea bird would become a republican issue.

So, If Chris Hayes’ solution is to increase the price of cheap available energy in order to make expensive and less consistently available energy competitive, why aren’t we redistributing points this weekend from winning teams (football, basketball, etc.) to also make those less productive teams competitive?

As we all know Hayes’ and his ilk [i.e., Obama] are more than willing to sacrifice the economy and health of our nation on an altar of utopian ideology.

Once you understand you’re dealing with the hate-America-firsters then all becomes clear. From their dismissal of the events of Benghazi to their rage that somewhere somehow public school children might attend a Charlie Brown Christmas play that a church might have been peripherally involved with.

10.The basic fact is that environmentalism is a religion. Did the crusaders worry about how they were going to get home after they took Jerusalem ? Of course not. God would provide. In this case Gaia will provide.

Comment by Mike_K (5552a4) — 12/8/2012 @ 7:05 pm

Actually they did. They contracted with the various Italian city states like Genoa and Pisa for transportation in their fleets, which wanted trading rights in return in whatever territories the crusaders conquered.

Of course there was always the option of walking to and fro. You’ve got to keep in mind that the germ of the idea of retaking the holy land (I’ll apologize for the Crusades just after the Muslims apologize for Jihad) had formed in Pope Urban’s mind but didn’t come to fruition until emmissaries from the Byzantine empire asked for the help.

I just thought I’d roger up and point out that not even in the “dark age” could you find idgits like modern libtards.

daleyrocks- On my farm in Mn. I can count 150 windmills. Complete f ing eyesores on the prairie. I refused to have them on my property. I have a small windmill that pumps water and runs the electricity in the barns. Thats called common sense on this farm.
As for the Nantucket Sound, don’t care, I’m out of here next year. Had enough of the insanity. In 17 years I voted in every election, I voted for winners twice. Mitt for gov. And Benedict Brown in “The Peoples Seat” election. The mass-hole motto do as I say not as I do.

An unholy alliance of liberals and crony capitalists — mainly agribusinesses based in the Midwest — have already gotten their greedy hands wrapped around the industry of ethanol, which has pushed up the cost of corn and, in turn, the food chain (eg, livestock that’s fed corn) in general.

But how bad does the cost of things — including gasoline and groceries — have to become before the left or its squishy adherents (ie, “independents”) cry “uncle!”? Well, keep in mind the absurdly high price of fuel in Europe (going back decades due mainly to consumption taxes), the ridiculously high price of maintaining a residence in the Northeast due to extortion-level property taxes, people in Argentina tolerating a government that forbids the publishing of actual inflation figures.

They say that liberalism is a mental disorder. I don’t think that’s necessarily a quip or sarcasm.

Speaking of re-distribution, Obama should have been first in line to re-distribute some of his votes to Romney.

Maybe Obama could consider re-distributing his cross-the-globe vacation to Oahu to one of those saintly “middle class families” he keeps slobbering on and on about.
Obama could trade vacations with them—the Joneses would take a first class commercial flight to Oahu, while the Obamas would then take Air Force One down to Orlando and visit DisneyWorld, where they could stay at a Motel 6 or Super 8.
The Obama girls could each get the Mickey Mouse hat ears, with their names stitched on them.

Another wrinkle is the EPA’s insistence that the percentage of ethanol in gasoline be increased: E-15!
One good bit of news for all those K-Street lawyers and lobbyists:Their Porsches made since 2001(?) will not be affected.
This will, in millions of older cars, cause catastrophic failures in the fuel delivery systems resulting in repair costs that may/will exceed the value of the vehicles.
All part and parcel of the goal to reduce the number of privately owned motor-vehicles in the U.S. fleet, and to force people into public-transportation, whether it is available or not.

7.My favorite is when they blame the evil energy producers for increases in prices, when they go all populist and get their outrage on. Especially when their actions, regulations, and agendas were the cause of the increases.

All of you tree-hugging hippies talking about birds flying into windmills — you should just pass the pipe and chillax, man!

One word: cats.

But if you have enough windmills to power, say, southern California, you will rather noticeably affect wind patterns.

I also note that an LA state college campus decided to “go green” and erect windmills. Problem was: no wind. Just not a windy area. But the committee wasn’t interested in such bourgeois questions. It was about being green.

This will, in millions of older cars, cause catastrophic failures in the fuel delivery systems resulting in repair costs that may/will exceed the value of the vehicles.
All part and parcel of the goal to reduce the number of privately owned motor-vehicles in the U.S. fleet, and to force people into public-transportation, whether it is available or not.

Might not do any good.
The Judge in the Managed Bankruptcy finally was told all of the details of that case, particularly how non-UAW workers at Delphi got stiffed for the benefit of their UAW breathern. He is not happy, and could possibly nullify the BK, and force all the parties back into his courtroom.
It appears there just might be at least “One Good Man” after all.

“Oh, all you moderate Republicans, added to the realization you lost the old white folk, you were skunked with the godless”

gary – Just means Republicans need to stop nominating right wing extremists like McCain and Romney, I guess, especially with all hindsight heroism going on about immigration policy and social conservatism.

I see the strategy session the Obama administration had with their MFM propagandists is already paying off. Because what these Democratic operatives were talking about on MSNBC is already in the works.

■In 2010, the Treasury Department commissioned a National Academy of Science study of the best ways to “green” the tax code. The report was originally due in September, but an extension has been granted until early 2013.
■International banking and financial services giant HSBC Holdings Plc expects the Obama Administration to implement a $20/ton carbon tax (plus 6% per year increase) in its second term, to serve as “revenue enhancement” and as a replacement for the ill-fated Cap-and-Trade scheme.
■The Treasury Department’s Office of Environment and Energy has given the Heisman treatment to a Freedom of Information Act request from the Competitive Enterprise Institute for its emails and economic analysis relative to carbon tax proposals. CEI has filed suit in an effort to compel disclosure.
■Last but not least, the idea of a carbon tax has been embraced by the unlikeliest suspects: ExxonMobil, BP and Shell.

Remember when a week back the Market sent the ‘price to yield ratio’ of 10-year’s negative, some said ’twas because December is always a strong month for bonds and it was to increase supply making old issues tempting?

The thing I can’t figure out is: when gas in the USA costs $8/gal, and $3 in Canada and Mexico and the rest of the world, who thinks that there’ll be enough people in the USA who can afford $8/gal gas?

Oh – I guess that’ll work too – if you price even Green energy sufficiently high enough, people will go back to bicycles, horse&buggy, and moving out of country. The energy-consumption problem will be solved either way they look at it.

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