I too am concerned by the potential loss of camps and art installation that could occur due to uncertainty of getting tickets.

I really hope the BMORG work on this ASAP

My partner and I (as a direct result) will certainly be offering help on the camps forum - despite it being her first time, being a tourist; Australian no less and all the other things going against her

Perhaps the need for burgins to be involved to ensure that camps can actually operate could be one of the sole benefits to come out of this shambles.

It's probably fair to say that there are some serious ass hats* (luckily very much in the minority) attending and that they can be found in both burgin and burner communities.

What this comes down to is that the virgins are going to have to have their shit together. Virgins: I'm sure you're all clueful and dialed in and you've read the Survival Guide, etc, which is awesome--I hereby promote you to Corporal Virgin--but by Friday you're going to encounter virgin-virgins who've only been there for a few hours, knocked back a few beers, and they're ready to PARTAY. WOOO!! ("Show me them titties!")

In 2004 there were something like 30,000 people. In 2012, there will be 30,000 virgins. They're not ALL going to be able to arrive on Thursday night so they can party all day Friday and Saturday and then go home on Sunday. ie, the Weekenders; the ones that show up looking for an ATM or the food court (and they're serious), or come to your camp asking if you have spare cups, water, gasoline or marijuana.

You can't be the group who decides you'll figure out how to put their dome structure together once they got to the playa, having never done it before, and find themselves having to do it in a 40mph dust storm with the help of the community around them.

Black Rock City 2012 is going to need virgins who aren't darktards; who don't dump their trash in the shitters or OD on somebody's couch; who don't cut in front of everybody in line at Exodus 'cause they're in, like, a hurry. In 2008, the dust storms were so long and so bad that they blotted out the sun and the burn almost couldn't happen. People panicked, gave up streamed for the gates, combined traffic jam with a blackout, and left a lot behind for their neighbors and campmates to clean up.

You might wake up Sunday morning to find that your neighbors are gone, and left filled trash bags behind. That's what happened to us. The city can absorb and embrace a small percentage of tourist yahoos, but, at any moment the BLM can pull the plug and tell everybody they have to go home.

This is not just hippie-dippie "the playa provides" feel-good e-playa bullshit, this is real. The desert doesn't give a fuck how precious your rave costumes are or how much fun your virginity entitles to have--neither does DPW, by the way--so, Corporal, make sure you pack extra work gloves and a warm coat.

THAT is what makes it all so fucking awesome.

"The Red Baron is smart.. He never spends the whole night dancing and drinking root beer.. "-The WWI Flying Ace

ZaphodBurner wrote:What this comes down to is that the virgins are going to have to have their shit together. Virgins: I'm sure you're all clueful and dialed in and you've read the Survival Guide, etc, which is awesome--I hereby promote you to Corporal Virgin--but by Friday you're going to encounter virgin-virgins who've only been there for a few hours, knocked back a few beers, and they're ready to PARTAY. WOOO!! ("Show me them titties!")

In 2004 there were something like 30,000 people. In 2012, there will be 30,000 virgins. They're not ALL going to be able to arrive on Thursday night so they can party all day Friday and Saturday and then go home on Sunday. ie, the Weekenders; the ones that show up looking for an ATM or the food court (and they're serious), or come to your camp asking if you have spare cups, water, gasoline or marijuana.

You can't be the group who decides you'll figure out how to put their dome structure together once they got to the playa, having never done it before, and find themselves having to do it in a 40mph dust storm with the help of the community around them.

Black Rock City 2012 is going to need virgins who aren't darktards; who don't dump their trash in the shitters or OD on somebody's couch; who don't cut in front of everybody in line at Exodus 'cause they're in, like, a hurry. In 2008, the dust storms were so long and so bad that they blotted out the sun and the burn almost couldn't happen. People panicked, gave up streamed for the gates, combined traffic jam with a blackout, and left a lot behind for their neighbors and campmates to clean up.

You might wake up Sunday morning to find that your neighbors are gone, and left filled trash bags behind. That's what happened to us. The city can absorb and embrace a small percentage of tourist yahoos, but, at any moment the BLM can pull the plug and tell everybody they have to go home.

This is not just hippie-dippie "the playa provides" feel-good e-playa bullshit, this is real. The desert doesn't give a fuck how precious your rave costumes are or how much fun your virginity entitles to have--neither does DPW, by the way--so, Corporal, make sure you pack extra work gloves and a warm coat.

THAT is what makes it all so fucking awesome.

This.

I love you ZaphodBurner.

"Burning Man ruined my life as I knew it, and I have never been happier." -mgb327

Two years ago I met a guy online who wanted to go to Burning Man, and I messaged him back about what it was like and where to find info. Soon he said, "I want to do a theme camp! this is what I'm thinking of" and describes it.

He did it anyways. I checked out his theme camp, and it was pretty cool, and fun, and I liked the people there. I spent a lot of time there. I joined it for 2011 and it was an AMAZING FUCKING THEME CAMP and I had a hard time leaving camp, I was having so much fun there. So did the people that visited our camp.

Veteran burners would ask this guy "how the hell did you get a PLACED theme camp your virgin year?"

He answered "I read the directions".

'Nuff said about virgins and what they can or can't do. BTW, two camps down were a bunch of fucktards that left a moopy mess. Don't know if they were virgins or not.

Two years ago I met a guy online who wanted to go to Burning Man, and I messaged him back about what it was like and where to find info. Soon he said, "I want to do a theme camp! this is what I'm thinking of" and describes it.

He did it anyways. I checked out his theme camp, and it was pretty cool, and fun, and I liked the people there. I spent a lot of time there. I joined it for 2011 and it was an AMAZING FUCKING THEME CAMP and I had a hard time leaving camp, I was having so much fun there. So did the people that visited our camp.

Veteran burners would ask this guy "how the hell did you get a PLACED theme camp your virgin year?"

He answered "I read the directions".

'Nuff said about virgins and what they can or can't do. BTW, two camps down were a bunch of fucktards that left a moopy mess. Don't know if they were virgins or not.

Fucking fuckity fuck yeah!!!That, folks, that right there is EXACTLY how it's done!

He's a mystery wrapped in a riddle, inside an enigma, painted in hot pants. - SavannahPropane ToysHow to do it wrong:

ZaphodBurner wrote: The city can absorb and embrace a small percentage of tourist yahoos...

Too many of the "wrong" people coming pushes out the "real" corepopulation. Leaving an event prospering in numbers, but dead inside. But eagerly learning, open, vibrant, creative Burgins are the new blood that keeps the thing from encrusting.

I remember back when I first found burning man I had split with my wife and a friend wanted to go on a camping trip. I had never heard of burning man. I went and have contributed every year most beautiful ways life could experience. Last year our camp on the esplenade had over 200 people we do what we do for the communith with camp fees. We have as a whole 65 tickets. I haven't even asked for one or am looking. let the burnbies get involved like I have for the last 15 years. Maybe next year will be different and when I find someone special that I think is needs to go. I think you would really enjoy the playa. I can once again say "you should buy a ticket and build something." I have been and have my memories and pictures until there are enough tickets for everyone I will be letting others go. Don't get me wrong this is a sacrafice that I would rather not make but under the current restictions we must let the next.generation of burners burn.My son is 4 and has been to three missed a burn when he was two not quite sure what to telll him this year besides we have been and others need to go.Good luck to all that go remember the plays will beat you down and fullfill you dreams

After 3 burns he would more likely say so what's so fun about this place and where's all the fire?

Savannah: I don't know what it is, but no thread here escapes alive. You'll get 1 or 2 real answers at minimum, occasionally 10 or 12, and then we flog it until it's unrecognizable and you can't get your deposit back.