Cognoscenti wrote:@dirtyrabbit Last ditch attempt by frustrated debunker. If you cannot refute the evidence you must then attack the credentials of the presenter of the evidence, of course without providing any substantiation for such attack. Very sad.

[quote="Cognoscenti"]@dirtyrabbit Last ditch attempt by frustrated debunker. If you cannot refute the evidence you must then attack the credentials of the presenter of the evidence, of course without providing any substantiation for such attack. Very sad.[/quote]

@dirtyrabbit Last ditch attempt by frustrated debunker. If you cannot refute the evidence you must then attack the credentials of the presenter of the evidence, of course without providing any substantiation for such attack. Very sad.

@dirtyrabbit Last ditch attempt by frustrated debunker. If you cannot refute the evidence you must then attack the credentials of the presenter of the evidence, of course without providing any substantiation for such attack. Very sad.

Strobez wrote:Nice one Cog, tried to post this earlier on but DTV would not verify the image size, I found that very strange considering I have never had problems posting cc images before, like you say this one is mind blowing, there are 124 triangles there, all perfectly symmetrical, then we have the weaving going on, also notice the thin line in the other circle, these are more than just pretty patterns, when deciphered correctly there is always a message within

From Ages past man had a common symbolic language something today we have had stolen from us. There was a way of communicating with a higher realm. When certain conduits are open we receive the true message. In recent years these messages have been warnings for us the human race...perhaps some cataclysmic event which is part of the natural cycle of Earth or perhaps something else...whatever and whoever are sending these messages one thing is for sure they are trying to help us we have just forgotten how to understand them.

[quote="Strobez"]Nice one Cog, tried to post this earlier on but DTV would not verify the image size, I found that very strange considering I have never had problems posting cc images before, like you say this one is mind blowing, there are 124 triangles there, all perfectly symmetrical, then we have the weaving going on, also notice the thin line in the other circle, these are more than just pretty patterns, when deciphered correctly there is always a message within

:cheers: :hugging:[/quote]

From Ages past man had a common symbolic language something today we have had stolen from us. There was a way of communicating with a higher realm. When certain conduits are open we receive the true message. In recent years these messages have been warnings for us the human race...perhaps some cataclysmic event which is part of the natural cycle of Earth or perhaps something else...whatever and whoever are sending these messages one thing is for sure they are trying to help us we have just forgotten how to understand them.

We have heard many reports over the years about possibly "burned" plants in crop formations. However, in every case where these plants have been sent to BLT for examination our consulting analytical chemist has shown (through FT-IR and EDS) that the blackening was actually caused by Ustilago, an opportunistic fungus which feeds on the internal plant stem moisture which is exposed to air when the stems are crushed or broken

lackening caused by Ustilago in maize plants in a crop circle in Mission,British Columbia in 2002.

But in 2010 seedheads from a Dutch formation which occurred in the early morning hours of August 2nd in a field in-between Hoeven and Oudenbosch have provided scientific proof of actual burning. At the end-point of a "half-ring" or "arc" component of one section of this formation, in the standing plants right at the edge of this area, there were three partially blackened seedheads and an additional plant stem with no seedhead but with a 45 angle cut which was also blackened.

The laboratory report clearly shows that -- in this case -- the blackening is carbon-based and positively due to burning, not to the fungus Ustilago.

At around 2:00 am on the morning of August 2, 2010 Robbert van den Broeke became aware of the very particular sensation he regularly experiences when a new crop circle is forming somewhere in his general vicinity. His intuition indicated a specific field some distance away, near the village of Oudenbosch, as the most likely location of the new circle, so he called his mother's friend Ellen Gomis and asked if she could drive him to this field.

I have tried many times to understand better what this "special feeling" is that Robbert experiences when new circles are occurring and I asked him, again, if he could describe it in any greater detail to me. Robbert replied that when circles are forming he feels the presence of a "big soul group"; he also said that, in this case, as he and Ellen reached the field the air felt "very busy" and "full of energy" and, as Ellen was parking the car, he saw (as he often has in the past) a flash of light directly over the field in which he and Ellen then immediately found the new crop circle.

As is often the case Robbert felt drawn to go into the formation immediately and -- in this instance -- he then experienced a very strong "rotating" energy "on his heart" which produced a feeling of such peace that he could only describe it as similar to the feeling of "coming home."

This formation was interesting for a number of reasons. First, it was in two sections, with a tramline running between the two parts. Second, there was a considerable amount of randomly-downed crop in the same field, a situation which BLT has observed to be present in conjunction with many circles which tested as genuine in the past (with the plants in the randomly-downed areas often showing greater abnormalities than those found in the actual "geometrically" flattened areas).

Large arrows point to 2 sections of formation; smaller arrows point to strips ofrandomly-downed crop nearby, which often occurs with genuine circles.Photo:

Lay detail in one of the small circles.

A third interesting feature of this 2010 Dutch event is the presence of a decidedly oval circle in one section of the formation. This oval or elliptical shape has been seen in a few of the previous circles which have appeared in Robbert's vicinity but is rarely seen in crop circles elsewhere in the world.

econd half of 8/2/10 crop formation, this part made up of adistinct ellipse and a smaller circle.

val or elliptical component, closer. As can barely be seen, only a few standingplants separate the oval from the small circle.

Finally it is curious that the burned seedheads were not all affected to precisely the same degree. The seedhead submitted for analysis shows what appear to be totally normal seed pods just underneath the burned top. One of the close-up photos taken in the field, however, clearly shows dehydration of several seed-pods directly beneath the charred seed-pods near the tip of that seedhead.

We did not receive the "cut" and blackened plant stem photographed at the same location and, so, cannot determine with 100% certainty whether it's darkened end is due to burning or Ustilago. But given that the seedhead we did receive is now proven to have been burned, and the fact that the "cut" plant stem was not only observed in the same area but on the first day of the formation's existence, it's blackening is most likely due to burning also. [Blackening caused by Ustilago would take many days before being visible.]

Following is BLT's consulting analytical scientist's FT-IR report, which failed to detect any trace evidence of an accelerant.

A wheat crop formation was "seen" by Robbert van den Broeke in a vision, as it was occurring. This formed on August 2, 2010 in Holland. Roy Boschman went to the location described by Robbert as soon as it was light. He indeed found a formation. He also noted some of the seed-heads appeared to be partially burned. These were at the very end of a partially completed ring, or "arc", which was part of a formation. The objective is to determine whether the cause of the blackening was burning or ustilago fungus. Following are photographs with a graphic of the formation and an in situ photo of the blackened seed-heads.

he analysis shows the seed-head top is burned. The heat it experienced appears to be localized because the bottom part of the seed-head is normal. The source of the heat is unknown. A logical speculation is that it was involved in the creation of the crop formation. The source was either hot, or there was an energy field around it that induced the seed hulls to burn.

The seed head sample was received in a 60ml glass bottle on March 14, 2011. Following is a photograph of the sample.

Results

A microscope photograph of the seed head shows definite signs of burning. The hulls are charred and partially burned away.

Photomicrograph of charred seeds found in August 2,2010 Hoeven, Holland crop circle.

Infrared analysis of the blackened end of the seed-head also shows it has been burned. Spectra of the normal hull and the blackened hull were compared. The spectrum of the blackened hull is quite different from that of a normal appearing hull of the seed-head.

The normal hull spectrum is typical for plant-derived substances, i.e. it shows a predominance of celluloidal structure and some natural long chain ester. The spectrum of the black hull shows typical oxidation bands resulting from burning. There is some subtle light scattering from 4000 to 2000 cm-1 which is characteristic of carbon, a product of burning. This spectrum compares to a reference spectrum of burned wood. Following are spectra of the blackened hull and the normal hull. References of normal plant (wood bark) and burned plant (wood bark) are included for comparison.

We have heard many reports over the years about possibly "burned" plants in crop formations. However, in every case where these plants have been sent to BLT for examination our consulting analytical chemist has shown (through FT-IR and EDS) that the blackening was actually caused by Ustilago, an opportunistic fungus which feeds on the internal plant stem moisture which is exposed to air when the stems are crushed or broken

[img]http://www.bltresearch.com/robbert/seedheads2011/seedheads02.jpg[/img]lackening caused by Ustilago in maize plants in a crop circle in Mission,British Columbia in 2002.

But in 2010 seedheads from a Dutch formation which occurred in the early morning hours of August 2nd in a field in-between Hoeven and Oudenbosch have provided scientific proof of actual burning. At the end-point of a "half-ring" or "arc" component of one section of this formation, in the standing plants right at the edge of this area, there were three partially blackened seedheads and an additional plant stem with no seedhead but with a 45 angle cut which was also blackened.

The laboratory report clearly shows that -- in this case -- the blackening is carbon-based and positively due to burning, not to the fungus Ustilago.

At around 2:00 am on the morning of August 2, 2010 Robbert van den Broeke became aware of the very particular sensation he regularly experiences when a new crop circle is forming somewhere in his general vicinity. His intuition indicated a specific field some distance away, near the village of Oudenbosch, as the most likely location of the new circle, so he called his mother's friend Ellen Gomis and asked if she could drive him to this field.

I have tried many times to understand better what this "special feeling" is that Robbert experiences when new circles are occurring and I asked him, again, if he could describe it in any greater detail to me. Robbert replied that when circles are forming he feels the presence of a "big soul group"; he also said that, in this case, as he and Ellen reached the field the air felt "very busy" and "full of energy" and, as Ellen was parking the car, he saw (as he often has in the past) a flash of light directly over the field in which he and Ellen then immediately found the new crop circle.

As is often the case Robbert felt drawn to go into the formation immediately and -- in this instance -- he then experienced a very strong "rotating" energy "on his heart" which produced a feeling of such peace that he could only describe it as similar to the feeling of "coming home."

This formation was interesting for a number of reasons. First, it was in two sections, with a tramline running between the two parts. Second, there was a considerable amount of randomly-downed crop in the same field, a situation which BLT has observed to be present in conjunction with many circles which tested as genuine in the past (with the plants in the randomly-downed areas often showing greater abnormalities than those found in the actual "geometrically" flattened areas).

[img]http://www.bltresearch.com/robbert/seedheads2011/seedheads04.jpg[/img]Large arrows point to 2 sections of formation; smaller arrows point to strips ofrandomly-downed crop nearby, which often occurs with genuine circles.Photo:

[img]http://www.bltresearch.com/robbert/seedheads2011/seedheads05.jpg[/img]Lay detail in one of the small circles.

A third interesting feature of this 2010 Dutch event is the presence of a decidedly oval circle in one section of the formation. This oval or elliptical shape has been seen in a few of the previous circles which have appeared in Robbert's vicinity but is rarely seen in crop circles elsewhere in the world.

[img]http://www.bltresearch.com/robbert/seedheads2011/seedheads06.jpg[/img]econd half of 8/2/10 crop formation, this part made up of adistinct ellipse and a smaller circle.

[img]http://www.bltresearch.com/robbert/seedheads2011/seedheads07.jpg[/img]val or elliptical component, closer. As can barely be seen, only a few standingplants separate the oval from the small circle.

Finally it is curious that the burned seedheads were not all affected to precisely the same degree. The seedhead submitted for analysis shows what appear to be totally normal seed pods just underneath the burned top. One of the close-up photos taken in the field, however, clearly shows dehydration of several seed-pods directly beneath the charred seed-pods near the tip of that seedhead.

We did not receive the "cut" and blackened plant stem photographed at the same location and, so, cannot determine with 100% certainty whether it's darkened end is due to burning or Ustilago. But given that the seedhead we did receive is now proven to have been burned, and the fact that the "cut" plant stem was not only observed in the same area but on the first day of the formation's existence, it's blackening is most likely due to burning also. [Blackening caused by Ustilago would take many days before being visible.]

Following is BLT's consulting analytical scientist's FT-IR report, which failed to detect any trace evidence of an accelerant.

A wheat crop formation was "seen" by Robbert van den Broeke in a vision, as it was occurring. This formed on August 2, 2010 in Holland. Roy Boschman went to the location described by Robbert as soon as it was light. He indeed found a formation. He also noted some of the seed-heads appeared to be partially burned. These were at the very end of a partially completed ring, or "arc", which was part of a formation. The objective is to determine whether the cause of the blackening was burning or ustilago fungus. Following are photographs with a graphic of the formation and an in situ photo of the blackened seed-heads.

he analysis shows the seed-head top is burned. The heat it experienced appears to be localized because the bottom part of the seed-head is normal. The source of the heat is unknown. A logical speculation is that it was involved in the creation of the crop formation. The source was either hot, or there was an energy field around it that induced the seed hulls to burn.

The seed head sample was received in a 60ml glass bottle on March 14, 2011. Following is a photograph of the sample.

A microscope photograph of the seed head shows definite signs of burning. The hulls are charred and partially burned away.

[img]http://www.bltresearch.com/robbert/seedheads2011/seedheads13.jpg[/img]Photomicrograph of charred seeds found in August 2,2010 Hoeven, Holland crop circle.

Infrared analysis of the blackened end of the seed-head also shows it has been burned. Spectra of the normal hull and the blackened hull were compared. The spectrum of the blackened hull is quite different from that of a normal appearing hull of the seed-head.

The normal hull spectrum is typical for plant-derived substances, i.e. it shows a predominance of celluloidal structure and some natural long chain ester. The spectrum of the black hull shows typical oxidation bands resulting from burning. There is some subtle light scattering from 4000 to 2000 cm-1 which is characteristic of carbon, a product of burning. This spectrum compares to a reference spectrum of burned wood. Following are spectra of the blackened hull and the normal hull. References of normal plant (wood bark) and burned plant (wood bark) are included for comparison.

Infrared Spectra of a Blackened Hull and a Normal Hull[img]http://www.bltresearch.com/robbert/seedheads2011/seedheads14.jpg[/img]

My name is Mike and I enjoy your web site and feel you are leaps and bounds ahead of anyone else.

Questions

1) Is there a group of people who verify circles as real, fake or uncertain?2) Are all the circles you post verified real? (Based on what has been accepted as real anyway)3) I know that circles that are new would take time to examine, but you want to be able to get pictures and information available soon. Do you think the circles should be listed in 4 catorgories? a. New unverified b. Verified as real c. Unverified old or pre testing method d. Hoax (man made)4) Is there any new information about the latest trend of non circle types and weaves? (I mean do they exibit the same elongated or burst nodes or is there anything different?)

Thank you M Two thumbs up AWESOME

Reply I received

Questions

1) Is there a group of people who verify circles as real, fake or uncertain?

Well difficult answer I think crop circles are very subjective and one group/person can say this crop circle is fake and another group/person can say it is genuine.

Who is right and Who is wrong?

I think its a bit like an Art gallery where you walk through and decided which paintings you like

2) Are all the circles you post verified real? (Based on what has been accepted as real anyway)

We do not make this judgement ourselves as we just provide the circle information with images etc and let people decide for themselves. Of course basing this on the last answer I gave you.

3) I know that circles that are new would take time to examine, but you want to be able to get pictures and information available soon. Do you think the circles should be listed in 4 catorgories? a. New unverified b. Verified as real c. Unverified old or pre testing method d. Hoax (man made)

Well if we did this we would get into very deep water (see Above) as we would get accuse by one party of believers and praise by another party. We can not win!!!

4) Is there any new information about the latest trend of non circle types and weaves? (I mean do they exibit the same elongated or burst nodes or is there anything different?)

It seems people are afraid nowadays we to do field reports as committing yourself can sometimes backfire.

So you see the difficult situation we are in regarding the circles.﻿ ﻿ All the Best

Mark F...... and Aspen Colorado F......

﻿ The Crop Circle Connector

I contacted Crop Circle Connector with some questions.

Good Day M8,

My name is Mike and I enjoy your web site and feel you are leaps and bounds ahead of anyone else.

Questions

1) Is there a group of people who verify circles as real, fake or uncertain?2) Are all the circles you post verified real? (Based on what has been accepted as real anyway)3) I know that circles that are new would take time to examine, but you want to be able to get pictures and information available soon. Do you think the circles should be listed in 4 catorgories? a. New unverified b. Verified as real c. Unverified old or pre testing method d. Hoax (man made)4) Is there any new information about the latest trend of non circle types and weaves? (I mean do they exibit the same elongated or burst nodes or is there anything different?)

Thank you M Two thumbs up AWESOME

Reply I received

Questions

1) Is there a group of people who verify circles as real, fake or uncertain?

Well difficult answer I think crop circles are very subjective and one group/person can say this crop circle is fake and another group/person can say it is genuine.

Who is right and Who is wrong?

I think its a bit like an Art gallery where you walk through and decided which paintings you like

2) Are all the circles you post verified real? (Based on what has been accepted as real anyway)

We do not make this judgement ourselves as we just provide the circle information with images etc and let people decide for themselves. Of course basing this on the last answer I gave you.

3) I know that circles that are new would take time to examine, but you want to be able to get pictures and information available soon. Do you think the circles should be listed in 4 catorgories? a. New unverified b. Verified as real c. Unverified old or pre testing method d. Hoax (man made)

Well if we did this we would get into very deep water (see Above) as we would get accuse by one party of believers and praise by another party. We can not win!!!

4) Is there any new information about the latest trend of non circle types and weaves? (I mean do they exibit the same elongated or burst nodes or is there anything different?)

It seems people are afraid nowadays we to do field reports as committing yourself can sometimes backfire.

So you see the difficult situation we are in regarding the circles.﻿ ﻿ All the Best

All that hot air could be put to better use Hack, like for example doing some research and posting something of value or perhaps blowing up party balloons or something...

At any rate, believe what you like mate, I am not here to try to prove anything nor to convince anyone of anything, I am only here to express an opinion. Can't wait to hear your opinion by the way, don't believe you have expressed it yet???

So, stay well my friend.

All that hot air could be put to better use Hack, like for example doing some research and posting something of value or perhaps blowing up party balloons or something... :alien51:

At any rate, believe what you like mate, I am not here to try to prove anything nor to convince anyone of anything, I am only here to express an opinion. Can't wait to hear your opinion by the way, don't believe you have expressed it yet???

and i fail at maths, flunked it, didn't really do well in school all around,although i have a yearning to learn about it, maybe someone else gifted in that department can look into this stuff, and report back to us?

i know it's genuine, i feel it in my bones

it also connects up with raphael's rambling, who used to be a member on this fine forum but was scared away by the trolls with their heads in the sand, or was he even banned?

The problem is that unless one is psychologically willing to take a risk of being wrong – to risk believing in something just for a while – one will never put one’s self in a position to see the next step along the way.

Because the very nature of coming to understand something is by progression. And you just aren’t going to see the next step, because you haven’t allowed yourself the perspective. You hold yourself back indefinitely.

say what? does anyone get this? xD

i'll just have to look deeper i guess, need to do the work i'm here to do, as no one else seems to picking up all this wonderful stuff, instead they insist on indulging in mainstream fluff, instead of stuff of substance.

don't you think Shakespeare had to battle to gain acceptance, heraldry, recognition?

how about people stop getting so consumed by ego and turning it into a forum drama, look at the facts instead ?

:look:

[img]http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/images/ed-crops10c.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/images/ed-crops5b.jpg[/img]

edward leedskalnin & coral castle.

[img]http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/images/ed-crops3a.jpg[/img]

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/anasazi/time2012r.html

http://www.facebook.com/groups/102381186469184/

groups are WORKING on this Extra-Planetary level technology, whilst we are just talking about.

[youtube]1gb0Bi8eqAA[/youtube]

[youtube]93v6rGjxb5U[/youtube]

Wholeness.

http://www.code144.com/2012/04/the-numbers-7129-6105195/

and i fail at maths, flunked it, didn't really do well in school all around,although i have a yearning to learn about it, maybe someone else gifted in that department can look into this stuff, and report back to us?

i know it's genuine, i feel it in my bones :)

it also connects up with raphael's rambling, who used to be a member on this fine forum but was scared away by the trolls with their heads in the sand, or was he even banned?

[quote]The problem is that unless one is psychologically willing to take a risk of being wrong – to risk believing in something just for a while – one will never put one’s self in a position to see the next step along the way.

Because the very nature of coming to understand something is by progression. And you just aren’t going to see the next step, because you haven’t allowed yourself the perspective. [i]You hold yourself back indefinitely[/i].[/quote]

[img]http://www.code144.com/archive2009/zc1.png[/img]

say what? does anyone get this? xD

i'll just have to look deeper i guess, need to do the work i'm here to do, as no one else seems to picking up all this wonderful stuff, instead they insist on indulging in mainstream fluff, instead of stuff of substance.

don't you think Shakespeare had to battle to gain acceptance, heraldry, recognition?

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