Your post just doesn't make any sense, and I haven't a clue what that photo is supposed to be of.

How can you compare Lancashire and a war zone??? Your stats cannot deny my experience and the experience of millions of people like me. We grew up with kids making prank calls from 'Red George'. Terrorism was just there. It was part of our growing up. My school was evacuated three times in 5yrs because of supposed threats, and after all that, plus the spectre of the Yorkshire Ripper looming large, the most damage ever caused to my town was caused by Bradford and Millwall fans.

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Well, self censorship has a bad word in it but it's also just called personal responsibility.

The personal responsibility does seem to have its limits though nowadays when it comes to the hard left. Mention immigration from any location right now and your immediately despicable racist scum who should be ashamed of themselves. State that Israel should be wiped off the map and there's perhaps a general murmer of agreement along with one or two "ahem, well, doug, could be a bit strong there" in rare cases.

The personal responsibility does seem to have its limits though nowadays when it comes to the hard left. Mention immigration from any location right now and your immediately despicable racist scum who should be ashamed of themselves. State that Israel should be wiped off the map and there's perhaps a general murmer of agreement along with one or two "ahem, well, doug, could be a bit strong there" in rare cases.

It doesnt quite seem even.

This may be the case in the circles you move in, but is far from being the norm in my experience.

Without wishing to take this thread any further off track... Immigration, migration and the refugee crisis are global issues and a problem that most countries don't know how to handle yet. My attitude is that we've done this before many times, and we can do it again.

What I truly resent is the way the refugee crisis is confused with migration and immigration. They are totally different things.

As for Israel...any sea change in politics, immigration, etc, takes at least two generations to settle and resolve. We will get there as long as the politics of Israel aren't artificially backed and propped up by Western governments on the occassions when they are in the wrong.

Of course not. If you invent total uneven bollocks then why is it a surprise that it's uneven?

Most people who create a straw-man arguments do so in order to trick other people. This thread seems to be full of such obvious fakery that I can only assume you're trying to trick yourselves. And this is on multiple related threads, and on both sides of the debate. Why bother?

The personal responsibility does seem to have its limits though nowadays when it comes to the hard left. Mention immigration from any location right now and your immediately despicable racist scum who should be ashamed of themselves. State that Israel should be wiped off the map and there's perhaps a general murmer of agreement along with one or two "ahem, well, doug, could be a bit strong there" in rare cases.

It doesnt quite seem even.

I'd argue that the "Israel are bad" fashion is so two years ago, daaarling. The current trend is back to labeling any criticism of Israeli policy as Anti-Semite.

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There's something quite vomit inducing watching MPs crawling over each other to be the most distraught yet eloquent. Virtually all of them would quite happily have crushed her career if it meant advancing their own. This is modern politics.

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There's something quite vomit inducing watching MPs crawling over each other to be the most distraught yet eloquent. Virtually all of them would quite happily have crushed her career if it meant advancing their own. This is modern politics.

I think they, like most people know how to separate work and personal. I'd happily crush my brother at monopoly given a chance. I'd be pretty cut up if he were assassinated by a brexit Nazi though.

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