Say whatever the fark you want about Israel, at least they are not actively targeting civilians

It's Okay as Long as Israelis do it, because Israelis classify everyone as enemies, right?Little kid down the street with the mean mug? The enemy.Little old lady who's been moved from her home several times to make room for more Israeli settlers who have no ties to the region except they're members of the ruling theocracy? Collaborator human shield

Say whatever the fark you want about Israel, at least they are not actively targeting civilians

How is a terrorist attack news flash abuse?

Is a bombing in the Middle East, much less Israel, really news anymore?

Exactly.

This thing happens daily. If the International Space Station blew up, that is a good use of a newsflash. If Mount St Hellen erupts, that is a good use of a newsflash. If a gunman opens up at the Capital Building, that is a newsflash. Daily events, not so much.

yousaywut:Suede head: Meanwhile, well over a hundred Palestinians have been killed by Israeli bombing and shelling, including many children. Just bear that in mind before you start foaming at the mouth.

Sux to start a shooting war you can't win. But hey the PR is really good when you duck behind the girn next door so there is that.

So when terrorists attack normal western countries (USA, UK, Spain, etc.), despite legitimate grievances it is never viewed as acceptable resistance, yet when the Palestinians do it (daily for years and years) it's somehow acceptable?

Suede head:Meanwhile, well over a hundred Palestinians have been killed by Israeli bombing and shelling, including many children. Just bear that in mind before you start foaming at the mouth.

But Israel didnt target them. This was a targeted attack. Those civilian deaths, while unfortunate, were not done on purpose. Intent, man, you have to factor in intent. Some man breaks in your house at night, you shoot him dead, should you be charged with murder? Hell no. Intent

meep3d:So when terrorists attack normal western countries (USA, UK, Spain, etc.), despite legitimate grievances it is never viewed as acceptable resistance, yet when the Palestinians do it (daily for years and years) it's somehow acceptable?

Aside from Native Americans and possibly the IRA, are there that many apples to apples comparisons for Palestinian relations with the West?

cman:Suede head: Meanwhile, well over a hundred Palestinians have been killed by Israeli bombing and shelling, including many children. Just bear that in mind before you start foaming at the mouth.

But Israel didnt target them. This was a targeted attack. Those civilian deaths, while unfortunate, were not done on purpose. Intent, man, you have to factor in intent. Some man breaks in your house at night, you shoot him dead, should you be charged with murder? Hell no. Intent

'while unfortunate....''While unfortunate, were not done on purpose...'

Nah, not getting it.

The bus was the target, dipshiat! It's just unfortunate some Jews were inside it. Stupid Jews.

Summoner101:meep3d: So when terrorists attack normal western countries (USA, UK, Spain, etc.), despite legitimate grievances it is never viewed as acceptable resistance, yet when the Palestinians do it (daily for years and years) it's somehow acceptable?

Aside from Native Americans and possibly the IRA, are there that many apples to apples comparisons for Palestinian relations with the West?

Slaves and free folk of color in the New World versus.. those who weren't?

GungFu:cman: Suede head: Meanwhile, well over a hundred Palestinians have been killed by Israeli bombing and shelling, including many children. Just bear that in mind before you start foaming at the mouth.

But Israel didnt target them. This was a targeted attack. Those civilian deaths, while unfortunate, were not done on purpose. Intent, man, you have to factor in intent. Some man breaks in your house at night, you shoot him dead, should you be charged with murder? Hell no. Intent

'while unfortunate....''While unfortunate, were not done on purpose...'

Nah, not getting it.

The bus was the target, dipshiat! It's just unfortunate some Jews were inside it. Stupid Jews.

Israel was targeting militants. They were not targeting civilians. This was an attack on civilians.

ExperianScaresCthulhu:Summoner101: meep3d: So when terrorists attack normal western countries (USA, UK, Spain, etc.), despite legitimate grievances it is never viewed as acceptable resistance, yet when the Palestinians do it (daily for years and years) it's somehow acceptable?

Aside from Native Americans and possibly the IRA, are there that many apples to apples comparisons for Palestinian relations with the West?

Slaves and free folk of color in the New World versus.. those who weren't?

Did we displace a lot of slaves from their native land or did we bring them with us after capturing them from their native land?

Say whatever the fark you want about Israel, at least they are not actively targeting civilians

How is a terrorist attack news flash abuse?

Is a bombing in the Middle East, much less Israel, really news anymore?

Exactly.

This thing happens daily. If the International Space Station blew up, that is a good use of a newsflash. If Mount St Hellen erupts, that is a good use of a newsflash. If a gunman opens up at the Capital Building, that is a newsflash. Daily events, not so much.

This is the excuse the IDF was waiting for to launch their ground offensive. You'll seen Israeli tanks in Gaza by the weekend, I guarantee it.

I don't have a dog in this fight. I'm very much hoping that this is as you say a non-event and Israel will continue to be restrained. My guess is they won't and this is the sort of incident that touches off a much larger response.

The whole situation is so sad and I really don't want WWIII to start on my favorite holiday :/

cman:GungFu: cman: Suede head: Meanwhile, well over a hundred Palestinians have been killed by Israeli bombing and shelling, including many children. Just bear that in mind before you start foaming at the mouth.

But Israel didnt target them. This was a targeted attack. Those civilian deaths, while unfortunate, were not done on purpose. Intent, man, you have to factor in intent. Some man breaks in your house at night, you shoot him dead, should you be charged with murder? Hell no. Intent

'while unfortunate....''While unfortunate, were not done on purpose...'

Nah, not getting it.

The bus was the target, dipshiat! It's just unfortunate some Jews were inside it. Stupid Jews.

Israel was targeting militants. They were not targeting civilians. This was an attack on civilians.

Say whatever the fark you want about Israel, at least they are not actively targeting civilians

How is a terrorist attack news flash abuse?

Is a bombing in the Middle East, much less Israel, really news anymore?

Exactly.

This thing happens daily. If the International Space Station blew up, that is a good use of a newsflash. If Mount St Hellen erupts, that is a good use of a newsflash. If a gunman opens up at the Capital Building, that is a newsflash. Daily events, not so much.

This is the excuse the IDF was waiting for to launch their ground offensive. You'll seen Israeli tanks in Gaza by the weekend, I guarantee it.

I don't have a dog in this fight. I'm very much hoping that this is as you say a non-event and Israel will continue to be restrained. My guess is they won't and this is the sort of incident that touches off a much larger response.

The whole situation is so sad and I really don't want WWIII to start on my favorite holiday :/

Israel has sent military into Gaza in the past and it didnt start WWIII

Suede head:Meanwhile, well over a hundred Palestinians have been killed by Israeli bombing and shelling, including many children. Just bear that in mind before you start foaming at the mouth.

Why should the bodycount be symmetric? If it was not for the rockets and suicide bombings the total combined bodycount would be zero. Just because Israel is better at hitting their targets than the Palestinians does not make them worse.

It is a governments duty to stop terrorist attacks on its civilians. What do you suggest Israel do? The fact that the 2005 withdrawal from Gaza caused an increase in attacks suggests that concessions wont work, and the last remaining one (lifting the blockade) would almost certainly not cause a dip in the number of attacks - giving Hamas the ability to re-arm unimpeded would be a recipe for disaster.

And don't talk about 'occupation', Gaza is not occupied, don't talk about concessions as as I said the 2005 withdrawal was a huge one and the Palestinians gave no reciprocal actions. The settlements are on the West Bank, so what do Hamas actually want? Why are they doing this? How are Israel meant to end this without violence (which seems to be the only thing that actually works)?

Summoner101:ExperianScaresCthulhu: Summoner101: meep3d: So when terrorists attack normal western countries (USA, UK, Spain, etc.), despite legitimate grievances it is never viewed as acceptable resistance, yet when the Palestinians do it (daily for years and years) it's somehow acceptable?

Aside from Native Americans and possibly the IRA, are there that many apples to apples comparisons for Palestinian relations with the West?

Slaves and free folk of color in the New World versus.. those who weren't?

Did we displace a lot of slaves from their native land or did we bring them with us after capturing them from their native land?

Free folk of color could be sold down river if a white was feeling ornery enough to break the taboo about it, and who was going to do anything about it? The whites who liked them would pull a sad face, but how often were charges brought? or did those free folk just 'disappear'?

Free folk of color: papers, please.

Slaves could be charged with theft...... for stealing themselves away.

Manifest Destiny wasn't just used against the Indians.

And It's God Will because Slavery Brings Christianity to the Heathens came before.

If some white folks wanted what was yours............. well, ask all those freed black family farmers.

You know what would solve the problem? Both side's citizens should go out and hold hands with each other as they sing some cheesy crappy song about peace, while the entire thing is being broadcast globally. No cuts, if some of the people get blown up by rockets, then let the world see it. If the "leaders" see their people getting blown up on live tv internationally, maybe they'll feel a little shame and stop bombing each other for a while.

I don't think reasoning can stop their war, the use of cheesy songs and hand holding should do the trick.

meep3d:Suede head: Meanwhile, well over a hundred Palestinians have been killed by Israeli bombing and shelling, including many children. Just bear that in mind before you start foaming at the mouth.

Why should the bodycount be symmetric? If it was not for the rockets and suicide bombings the total combined bodycount would be zero. Just because Israel is better at hitting their targets than the Palestinians does not make them worse.

It is a governments duty to stop terrorist attacks on its civilians. What do you suggest Israel do? The fact that the 2005 withdrawal from Gaza caused an increase in attacks suggests that concessions wont work, and the last remaining one (lifting the blockade) would almost certainly not cause a dip in the number of attacks - giving Hamas the ability to re-arm unimpeded would be a recipe for disaster.

And don't talk about 'occupation', Gaza is not occupied, don't talk about concessions as as I said the 2005 withdrawal was a huge one and the Palestinians gave no reciprocal actions. The settlements are on the West Bank, so what do Hamas actually want? Why are they doing this? How are Israel meant to end this without violence (which seems to be the only thing that actually works)?

How much do you want to bet that Suede head is an American with an Obama/Biden sticker on their bumper? There is only one thing that pisses me off the most about how Americans have reacted to this situation: ultrapartisanship. Many on the left are hitting the right attacking them and mocking them for supporting Israel but say nothing when Obama says "Its all good, go ahead Israel".