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Which is a real shame and disappointment. I wanted to relate to and like young Anakin and the way he's presented makes it impossible. For me, instead they show precisely why he would Fall and most of it was selfishness, arrogance, and pride.

Isn't the reason why he would fall and how it was shown in the PT/TCW that we were discussing? Unless I misunderstood, the first and last sentence of your argument contradict each other. Please clarify if you can

For me TCW showed more of the SW universe in visual material(which I really liked). It did a great job adding more sustenance to the story of the Fall of Anakin but also gave us that for the Council as well. Both of those things could never have been done in the movies cause there just isn't enough time. I loved the show and the exploration it did for the GFFA. Still is one of my favorite shows all time.

Man, "A Friend in Need" is one dark episode, especially after coming off the "slaves in Kadavo" arc. First, the scene where all the messed-up droids are begging R2 to help them and then Death Watch gleefully burns that whole village. Damn.

So I've spent a bunch of time in LIT today collecting a list of just about EVERYTHING we know about content that would've aired beyond the "Lost Missions". We've actually learned quite a bit in the past year. I'm gonna quote both posts here so people can look it over and postulate over it...

Before I do, let me remind people that season 6's finale episodes were going to be 2 arcs... The "Son of Dathomir" arc, and the "Bounty Hunters" arc involving Cad Bane and Boba we've heard a lot of talk about. Only the former is being adapted into any medium, with the last issue coming out on the 20th. It may or may not conclude Maul's story (if it does, this likely deviates from the original planned script, with Filoni's permission I'd assume). With these, season 6 would've had 21 episodes. It is ALSO possible that an arc from the "season 7" would've aired in TV season 6 if the Clovis arc aired in season 5 when it should've. What arc would come after the previous 2 is unknown, as we don't know the production order numbers for any episodes beyond what's been released. However, season 6 would've ended with production number 6.01 assuming the clovis arc still aired when it did, or 6.05 if it aired during s5.

Next, for those unaware, one of the confirmed arcs is now being adapted into a novel, and it involved Ventress and Quinlan Vos. The press release says it's a season 7 arc, but it's hard to tell exactly when it was being produced. See below to learn why. Regardless, it's likely a major 4 episode arc, and I didn't mention it in the list below since it was already being discussed, so keep it in mind.

Add in the unknown 4 part bounty hunter arc (unless that's exactly what the Ventress/Vos novel is, but I doubt it), and you have what would've been roughly the complete season 6 at 21 episodes. This arc gives us the first of what was somewhere between 5-6 arcs for what would've been season 7. It seems that material was written through for season 8, and that would've then been the planned end of things. Somewhere between 9-12 arcs remained in the show as a whole after the Ventress novel.

Exactly what arcs remain is a little unclear, but we've now since gotten many hints...

That sums up what is known about current content, but hey... that's enough hints to cover more than a season's worth of the remaining stories right there if each was a separate arc. At this point, there are probably only about 20 or so episodes worth of stories we know absolutely nothing about. Maybe less. If I had to take a guess, I'd say we're looking at somewhere between 18-24 confirmed episodes beyond the rest of s6 and AFTER the ventress novel. Maybe 28 if one of the bits below was another arc. So anywhere between 18-24 of 40ish remaining episodes.

There's also a bit of content which may or may not be mixed in with the above arcs, or was confirmed cancelled.
a. Yoda was supposed to get a story that featured him again in a "major way" beyond the s6 arc. If true, consider this either unknown arc "7" or part of the Wookiee arc.
b. There was a confirmed cancelled story which would've had Padme try to negotiate a peace treaty between the Separatists by having them compete in some sort of absurd olympic games, I believe. She was supposed to be pregnant, and the arc was supposed to end with the peace being disrupted by the start of the battle of Coruscant. Lucas dropped the arc, but this would've been something of either a series finale, or more likely a pre-finale arc. Definitely s8.

Pay close attention to the order of these images. The numbering likely denotes how far into the series each of these concepts would've come about. Also remember that each batch "season 5" doesn't mean airing season, but production number. It looks like the Bounty Hunter arc was still part of the s5 batch. In production, each season of the show got 26 episodes. In airing, 22. The production numbers and order was different from airing order. All of the lost mission episodes are part of the "season 5" production batch, which is why they were the easiest to complete and release. The bounty hunter arc is a part of the s5 batch that wasn't released, according to the image below. Likely covering episodes 22-25 of that production season. The production numbers don't necessarily indicate a complete story arc either, as the first maul episode of airing season 5 was actually the last of season 4's production batch (4.26). The Son of Dathomir arc was probably 5.26-6.03.

Furthermore, because each production batch was 26 episodes, while each airing batch was 22 or less, the numbers for each season don't match up. After the Dathomir and Bounty hunter arcs, production seasons 6 and 7 would've had 49 episodes remaining. (assuming they each had 26 episodes of course), meaning there WAS no "season 8" batch to be produced, because that would've given enough content for the remaining 2 airing seasons 7 and 8. Chances are, the last "season 7" production batch would've been less than 26 episodes, bringing us to a more normal 20-22 episodes for seasons 7 and 8.

What's the point of all this? It means the images we got from the so called "season 7" batch were likely fairly close to the show's written end.

Without further ado, here's the images Filoni released numbered in proper order, and contained in each batch. This should give us a slightly better outline of what was still to come, or what we could see in future releases.

All in all, if they keep to the outlines, Maul may have lasted til close to the show's end, appearing once per season. We MAY seem him fight Vos in the upcoming Quinlan novel, and then he may have one more storyline after that.

Or they may just kill him in SoD issue 4 and be done with it. No one says they have to follow the script exactly either.

But there you go, that's part 2 of EVERYTHING we know about the rest of TCW so far.

So there you go. That's everything I can think of. Feel free to add more if there's anything else. I'm not sure if production season 7 was actually going to have 26 episodes (they only planned to write to the end of airing season 8, and if production season 7 had 26, that'd mean some eps air in season 9), but we know for sure what we've been shown so far is a good chunk of all that existed and was planned. Follow the details, and you learn a lot about how the rest of the show would've played out.

Also I have absolutely no idea what to expect from the Mace and Jar Jar arc. And I don't know what's in the vault. And the Yoda arc can't be anything special because Lit didn't explode like with Even Piell and Mortis. I heard Darth Bane doesn't have eyeliner or a birdcage on his head though, so that's already got me disappointed.

I was not expecting the Yoda arc to be better than Mortis, but it was better than Mortis, so there's that. I think Lit actually liked Bane's portrayal? I never read those books and have no basis for comparison.

I was not expecting the Yoda arc to be better than Mortis, but it was better than Mortis, so there's that. I think Lit actually liked Bane's portrayal? I never read those books and have no basis for comparison.

Bane looks nothing like that in the books, but the attitude the Bane in TCW could match the attitude of the original character.

Yeah I noticed no one ever complained about that arc outside of the designated TCW thread (which I was avoiding), so I assumed it couldn't have been anything too blasphemous. I think I'm going to save that arc for last because it looks like the coolest.

Yeah I noticed no one ever complained about that arc outside of the designated TCW thread (which I was avoiding), so I assumed it couldn't have been anything too blasphemous. I think I'm going to save that arc for last because it looks like the coolest.

Yeah I noticed no one ever complained about that arc outside of the designated TCW thread (which I was avoiding), so I assumed it couldn't have been anything too blasphemous. I think I'm going to save that arc for last because it looks like the coolest.

I watched it last as well. Wasn't my favorite but didn't hate it either.

You can't not love Mark Hamill doing any voice. And FWIW, he was a pretty good Bane.

Plus, I liked the idea of Star Wars' heroes doing bad-guy voices on Clone Wars. It would have been cool if TCW switched it up too with the saga's bad guys guest-voicing good-guy characters. Like maybe Ian McDiarmid voices a kindly cantina owner who helps out Obi-Wan, or Denis Lawson plays the role of a shady senator. Natalie Portman as a bounty hunter wreaking havoc on an Outer Rim world.

The Phantom Menace: Good concept, average execution. I loved the look of the film since it at least bothered to look more natural and be less involved with CGI explosions. Liam Neeson was a God-send for the film and I enjoyed the struggles on Naboo thematically. Padmé was a great character and had legitimate progression, even though the script gave her little moments to struggle with in terms of just pure emotion. The Gungans were an absolute atrocity and it's not the species' fault that their two most-profiled characters were basically racial stereotypes. Maul was a great villain, wasted at the end. The droids were competent and not comic relief. And "YIPPEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" made me furious. Anakin should have been much older than 9 in this. The three-way lightsaber duel still stands as my favorite from the entire series. John Williams as always is amazing and "Duel of the Fates" stands as one of the single best pieces of film score of all time. The story would have been served better. 6/10.

Attack of the Clones: For heaven's sake, this was absolutely terrible. The first shot was well done and then the film just went downhill from there. Ewan McGregor holds his own as Obi-Wan but Hayden Christensen was a terrible casting choice for the specific role. The dialogue was by far the worst dialogue from all of the six films and I was cringing half of the film. The CGI is phenomenally terrible and a quality that is to be expected from a low-budget Sharknado sequel, not a major 20th Century Fox production. Padmé's exclusion from the Senate vote was an unfortunate turn of events that essentially created one of the most dull love stories of all time. Oh Gosh, that was awkward. Kamino was fantastic to see, even though it took a ton of exposition to get there. Geonosians were interesting as was the concept of the Confederacy. But Geonosis looked so fake in half of the scenes it was difficult to buy into it. The buildup to the Jedi in the arena was amazing and then it was over so damn quickly it felt. The most underwhelming galactic trip of them all. 5/10.

Revenge of the Sith: Padmé dies of a broken heart and that beyond pissed me off. The idea of a strong female character, or even a male one, dying because of a broken heart is just lazy, lazy writing. Nothing else. Natalie Portman still sold it though, even if she was given dialogue like "Hold me like you did back on the lake on Naboo." Hayden Christensen still underwhelmed in the role and the Anakin dipping into the dark side was far too quick. Everything else was more or less fine and the stakes for the most part could be felt. Ewan McGregor was great as Obi-Wan and Yoda's duel with the Emperor is stuff of legends. The bad guys win amidst an ambitious cap to a trilogy that made its final chapter nearly buckle and collapse under the amount of story it had to carry. 7/10.

A New Hope: The beginning in all reality. What a phenomenal film. The effects were magnanimous and the opening shot of the Tantive IV escaping a Star Destroyer is still one of the best film openings of all time. The story was great and the film didn't shy away from moments of utter brutality. The characters were infectious and yes, Han shot first. The dialogue was fantastic and the rapport between the characters felt genuine. The villains were instantly memorable and few characters inspire the fear that Peter Cushing's Grand Moff Tarkin was able to emanate. Vader, just Vader. Plus R2-D2 and C-3PO's friendship. And the Battle of Yavin. Rarely have been I so close to falling off the edge of my seat. So much love. 9/10.

The Empire Strikes Back: My favorite from the series, and for very specific reasons outside of general consensus. A sequel takes a story and existing characters, making them fundamentally challenge who they are and leave them in very different places from where they began. The Battle of Hoth was incredible, the interplay between our main trio was excellent, and the betrayal of Bespin? Gold. Nay, platinum. Plus, thew visuals of Cloud City are so damn hard to beat. Lando was a welcome addition to the cast and it was Leia who uttered the original "It's a Trap!" "I love you." Harrison Ford's improvised "I know." That lightsaber and Force duel. "Luke, I am your father." Chills and an agonizing cliffhanger. Perfection, absolute perfection. 10/10.

Return of the Jedi: The original trilogy follows the typical trilogy path of a strong beginning, an amazing middle chapter, and a decent but underwhelming finish. The shield removal of Endor makes sense with the second Death Star, but the idea of a second Death Star has always seemed phenomenally lazy to me. I don't hate the Ewoks, but they were completely unnecessary. The speeder chase scene was fun, but again it was unnecessary. Boba Fett's death was idiotic. I would have much preferred a Rebel assault on the capital planet of Coruscant with actual, serious consequences. Han dying on Coruscant, et cetera. The main problem tonally I have with the film is that it just seems to be incredibly light in comparison to the actual story that's at stake. 7/10.

The Clone Wars: The series premiered with a shaky film. But as the show went on, it easily became the best part of the entire prequel trilogy. The characters became deeper and more nuanced (for the most part). Anakin was the hero we were always told he was and his relationship with Obi-Wan was a real treat. How the two brothers handled the crises in their lives was handled wonderfully. The show had its fair share of missteps, including a certain snail-like creature who should never seen the light of day. The battles, sparse, were executed wonderfully and the show made the best use of the animation medium to show things that would have been incredibly difficult in live-action. Speaking of animation, The Clone Wars grew to house some of the most gorgeous animation ever done. And the relationship between Anakin and Ahsoka I really liked, even though I wish they had gotten more screen time together. And Ventress, oh Ventress. The series deepened the Star Wars mythos and frankly in my opinion, it salvaged the entire prequel trilogy. Now the tragedy Lucas wanted with the prequel trilogy truly became one. 9/10.

About that, I'd definitely include Bounty on a rewatch as well since it completes the Ventress story arc with her having found a new life that seemingly sticks (seriously, Bounty feels overlooked sometimes).