Afterlife - Think Atheist2018-03-20T04:33:00Zhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/forum/topics/afterlife-1?commentId=1982180%3AComment%3A1289849&xg_source=activity&feed=yes&xn_auth=noMediums are full of crap. I u…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2013-06-02:1982180:Comment:13218182013-06-02T05:32:52.808Zarchaeopteryxhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/xn/detail/u_2gskiyna07rt3
<p>Mediums are full of crap. I used to admire Montel Williams until he hooked up with medium/psychic Sylvia Browne. Google "The Amazing Randi," an illusionist, turned debunker, who has numerous videos on psychics and mediums.</p>
<p>Mediums are full of crap. I used to admire Montel Williams until he hooked up with medium/psychic Sylvia Browne. Google "The Amazing Randi," an illusionist, turned debunker, who has numerous videos on psychics and mediums.</p> http://www.youtube.com/watch?…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2013-06-02:1982180:Comment:13218102013-06-02T05:05:12.807Zangela kozmahttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/angelakozma
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjPsnfysrp8">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjPsnfysrp8</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjPsnfysrp8">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjPsnfysrp8</a></p> Jimmy says:
"The one thing I…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2013-04-14:1982180:Comment:12939802013-04-14T00:21:59.062ZGregg R Thomashttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/GreggRThomas
<p>Jimmy says:</p>
<p>"The one thing I do hold as true is that psychedelics offer a pathway to a colossal state of consciousness..."</p>
<p>As a child of the 60's I can say Jimmy is a tripper. :D</p>
<p>Trippers advice should be taken with a grain of salt and one to two hits of primo shit. :)</p>
<p>Good luck Jimmy convincing anyone here of your mental gymnastics...but shucks Jim a good trip is still a good trip, just watch out for the FSM.</p>
<p>Jimmy says:</p>
<p>"The one thing I do hold as true is that psychedelics offer a pathway to a colossal state of consciousness..."</p>
<p>As a child of the 60's I can say Jimmy is a tripper. :D</p>
<p>Trippers advice should be taken with a grain of salt and one to two hits of primo shit. :)</p>
<p>Good luck Jimmy convincing anyone here of your mental gymnastics...but shucks Jim a good trip is still a good trip, just watch out for the FSM.</p> I believe that's true. Or DO…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2013-04-13:1982180:Comment:12940192013-04-13T20:16:28.160Zarchaeopteryxhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/xn/detail/u_2gskiyna07rt3
<p>I believe that's true. Or DO I --?</p>
<p>I believe that's true. Or DO I --?</p> Therefore, everyone should al…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2013-04-13:1982180:Comment:12937722013-04-13T20:09:48.270ZPope Beaniehttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/PaulRyan
<p>Therefore, everyone should always be skeptical of their own beliefs, no matter what they are.</p>
<p>Therefore, everyone should always be skeptical of their own beliefs, no matter what they are.</p> @Gallup When Josh Westhoelter…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2013-04-13:1982180:Comment:12938332013-04-13T15:22:26.719ZJimmyhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/Jimmy7
<p>@Gallup When Josh Westhoelter mentioned Bohm's "Quantum Mind" as hypothesis I had no quarrel, because it is, in fact, speculatory. When you asked for "evidence" for "Quantum Mind," I was under the impression that you were asking why is this something that's speculated in the first place, and that's why I referred to the example as to offer an explanation of why this is even considered or entertained in neuroscience as a possible explanation for consciousness. I'm not sure if you understood…</p>
<p>@Gallup When Josh Westhoelter mentioned Bohm's "Quantum Mind" as hypothesis I had no quarrel, because it is, in fact, speculatory. When you asked for "evidence" for "Quantum Mind," I was under the impression that you were asking why is this something that's speculated in the first place, and that's why I referred to the example as to offer an explanation of why this is even considered or entertained in neuroscience as a possible explanation for consciousness. I'm not sure if you understood the metaphor or even Pinker's statement about it, because you didn't exactly respond to it.</p>
<p>If I believed that the Quantum Mind hypothesis was true, then I would have referred to it more as a law of nature rather than conjecture. If I thought "Stoned Ape" was true, then I wouldn't have said it was a plausible possibility. </p>
<p>The one thing I do hold as true is that psychedelics offer a pathway to a colossal state of consciousness that will, in fact, require every ounce of courage to take and will challenge your entire ontology whether you're an atheist or a Buddhist monk, and it's not a religion, it doesn't care whether you believe in it or don't believe in it, and you will, as I mentioned before, continue to mock it, scorn it, and even doubt it until you have it for yourself.</p> Well, it depends on what you…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2013-04-13:1982180:Comment:12936392013-04-13T09:19:06.900ZJimmyhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/Jimmy7
<p>Well, it depends on what you mean by "setting" here. In other words, yes, the "shamanic dose" is required, but a precaution that is often taken is what Timothy Leary called "set and setting" as these things can lead to a potentially dangerous situation. For instance, if you take these things while you're depressed and you have things like a hand-gun present, etc. (Very bad combination, I'm sure I needn't mention in this setting.) </p>
<p>"Set and setting" refers to the set, in other words,…</p>
<p>Well, it depends on what you mean by "setting" here. In other words, yes, the "shamanic dose" is required, but a precaution that is often taken is what Timothy Leary called "set and setting" as these things can lead to a potentially dangerous situation. For instance, if you take these things while you're depressed and you have things like a hand-gun present, etc. (Very bad combination, I'm sure I needn't mention in this setting.) </p>
<p>"Set and setting" refers to the set, in other words, the mindset you're in while you partake in this experience, and the "setting" meaning the environment you take these things in. One thing that is often posed against these substances is that they're often accused for people who decide to jump off third story windows. Well, that could be completely avoided if you simply do not take these things at great heights. Okay, so that's pretty obvious.</p>
<p>However, I know Graham Hancock uses the phrase "in a shamanic setting" in that podcast with Joe Rogan. So, that can be confusing, but I really believe he's referring to is dose range, the shamanic dose range, because it is necessary to breakthrough a certain physiological threshold in order to have this experience in the first place. It's necessary to take a "heroic dose" or "shamanic dose" to elicit this phenomenon in consciousness.</p>
<p>Okay, so that was a long-winded answer to a question that perhaps could've been answered more simply on my part, but I emphasize those details as to avoid any further ambiguity and confusion. </p>
<p>So, the short answer is that the "shamanic setting," if you're referring to a kind of ritualistic or specific environment isn't necessary, but only taken into consideration as a kind of precautionary measure, but what is necessary is dose range which can vary between individuals, but by rule of thumb is usually (when concerning psilocybin-containing mushrooms) is about 5 to 5+ dried grams, and there's many factors involved, of course, like fasting, lack of sleep, synergies (meaning other drugs you've taken in combination) etc.</p>
<p></p> Not just a full spectrum dose…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2013-04-13:1982180:Comment:12933762013-04-13T07:25:23.720ZHeather Spoonheimhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/HeatherSpoonheim
<p>Not just a full spectrum dose, however - for you've also stipulated, several times, that a 'shamanic setting' also may or may not be required.</p>
<p>Not just a full spectrum dose, however - for you've also stipulated, several times, that a 'shamanic setting' also may or may not be required.</p> I never said that Bohm's "Qua…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2013-04-13:1982180:Comment:12933752013-04-13T07:16:24.795ZJimmyhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/Jimmy7
<p>I never said that Bohm's "Quantum Mind" is proven. What I was trying to get at here is that there may be more to consciousness than what we find on the surface. It's you who was under the impression that I was proposing these concepts as truth, you see.</p>
<p>So, there is obviously a misinterpretation on both of our parts, maybe, but the point is that neuroscience, psychology, neurobiology, or science in general does not as of yet have the complete picture of what's going on. If it did,…</p>
<p>I never said that Bohm's "Quantum Mind" is proven. What I was trying to get at here is that there may be more to consciousness than what we find on the surface. It's you who was under the impression that I was proposing these concepts as truth, you see.</p>
<p>So, there is obviously a misinterpretation on both of our parts, maybe, but the point is that neuroscience, psychology, neurobiology, or science in general does not as of yet have the complete picture of what's going on. If it did, then there'd be no discussion or debate.</p>
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<p>And about the psychedelics, yes, I still maintain that a full-spectrum dose of psychedelics, at the very least, will show you that everything you thought you knew about the universe is wrong. It's an experience that will challenge your ontology to its core. So, yes, I believe that until someone takes on this experience, they will continue to scoff it, mock it, and underestimate it.</p> LOL!tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2013-04-13:1982180:Comment:12936192013-04-13T03:20:15.396ZHeather Spoonheimhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/HeatherSpoonheim
<p>LOL!</p>
<p>LOL!</p>