Barry, I have some suggestions for you, from my experience with my own distro.
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- e3 is very hard to use and can (I mean, should) be replaced with either the Busybox vi, which is easy to use too, or nano, a very easy editor. It depends only on ncurses, so it might be a good idea. Also, its' way better than MP ... 1 good editor to replace the existing 2?[/list]

I agree, both e3 and mp should be dropped now that tiny vi is available and quite good.
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VI is the bane of newbies. It has all the power of edlin, with all the clarity of edlin (well, not quite true -- with edlin you always know what mode it's in)...

'mp' is a *great* console based editor for editing xorg.conf and similar files when you exit from 'X'. The best I've ever used for that purpose. I wouldn't want to see it being removed and replaced with another 'vi'-clone.
MP is unique and only available in Puppy/Quirky.

Yep, I agree. mp is very easy to use, vi is arcane.

But, there is a good case for dropping e3.

Unless I'm missing something, e3 is 13K -- assuming it doesn't have a number of special libraries, it's hardly worth removing (I'm assuming that there are people using it).

Unless I'm missing something, e3 is 13K -- assuming it doesn't have a number of special libraries, it's hardly worth removing (I'm assuming that there are people using it).

(now for some fun,,, ) -- you could save more space by removing VI...

The only thing you are missing is e3 fails to work in vi mode, and tiny vi part of BusyBox.

Try viewing a file with e3vi and scroll around.
The vim command for cursor down is "j" and up is "k".
At the bottom of console you will see a new 'error' message in blue with each keystroke. Even using any arrow key fails.
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Anyone using onboard Intel 82945G Express Chipset Family ?
I have it on IBM PC with 19'' Lenovo monitor I'm using xorg 1280x1024x24
and it starts X and works without lag or anything but then it freezes all system I can't even CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE to get to command prompt.
Mostly freezes if I open browser with images or graphics on page or similar.

Now, this isn't specific to quirky happend with most other puppies.
I've searched forum for this card but haven't found much results.
Generally on internet there are reports of xorg freezing with this card and some drivers are mentioned - i810 and intel (I tried loading both in quirky as well as generic vesa driver but problem persists) I can't paste any logs because system totally freezes. Someone even reccomended adding acpi=off to kernel parameters but that slows down video and it lags.
Oh, Xvesa doesn't work either._________________puppy.b0x.me stuff mirrored HERE or HERE

Unless I'm missing something, e3 is 13K -- assuming it doesn't have a number of special libraries, it's hardly worth removing (I'm assuming that there are people using it).

(now for some fun,,, ) -- you could save more space by removing VI...

The only thing you are missing is e3 fails to work in vi mode, and tiny vi part of BusyBox.

And why would I want ANY editor to operate in "VI mode"?

"I've got a Maserati, and I really wish I could make it exhibit the performance of a VW minibus..."

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Try viewing a file with e3vi and scroll around.
The vim command for cursor down is "j" and up is "k".
At the bottom of console you will see a new 'error' message in blue with each keystroke. Even using any arrow key fails.

OK, I just tried using e3 to scroll around. All of the arrow keys worked just fine, as did page-up and page-down.

So what features are broken?

If your arrow keys are not working, you apparently have chosen some non-standard keymapping (I have a default Puppy 4.3.1 frugal, in US keyboard mode) -- or possibly some much older hardware (very old keyboard?). Perhaps I'll see if I have an old machine with a DIN-5 keyboard to test Puppy on...

Or you may have changed your rxvt shell -- not all window managers and terminal shells map key controls the same -- which is why the more powerful editor "mg" reads initialization files: ".mg-<termtype>"...Last edited by RetroTechGuy on Fri 14 May 2010, 11:30; edited 1 time in total

When I right click on a mounted drive icon, if the mouse moves slightly as I click then the icon disappears. Comes back if I restart X.

My experience is the same in Quirky and also in Lupu. In contrast, I could not make the icons disappear this way in Technosaurus' Stardust.

There is a funny reason behind - exactly behind - this:
If you carefully right-click over the leftmost drive icon in Quirky, a "Remove item(s)" button appears at the same display position. Accidentally, the mouse can send more events, thus a right-click + move event can be detected as a few right clicks over neighbor positions of the screen - while the Remove button pops up and steals the last one(s).
Try to move the icon to the center of the screen. There, right click + move (or repeated right click) does not remove the icon but invokes the Edit item dialog, due to the popup position of that button.

Really funny. Quirky's joke of the day.Last edited by gjuhasz on Fri 14 May 2010, 11:17; edited 2 times in total

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