Diplomatic tensions grow over spying-: Australian government and the Indonesian government.

Indonesia says it still expects an explanation from Australia over spying revelations, describing Prime Minister Tony Abbott's response and
continued refusal to apologise over the drama as 'regrettable'.

As the diplomatic crisis appeared certain to escalate on Tuesday, Mr Abbott again rejected calls to apologise to Indonesia after reports
Australian spies had monitored President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono's telephone activity.

Oh I see and those Indonesians are pretty scary, all 238 million of them. Their first language isn't English and they are mostly Muslim. Have you
seen how they treat their cows?

We better ramp up our defense spending and allow more US troops over here or else our strong 58,000 defence force is going to have a hard time killing
the 233,000 armed Indonesians invading us for our cattle and food.

I like Abbott but i think he has it wrong here, he should just say sorry we wont do it again, blame it on Rudd and move on.

Indonesia says it still expects an explanation from Australia over spying revelations, describing Prime Minister Tony Abbott's response and
continued refusal to apologise over the drama as 'regrettable'.

As the diplomatic crisis appeared certain to escalate on Tuesday, Mr Abbott again rejected calls to apologise to Indonesia after reports
Australian spies had monitored President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono's telephone activity.

Wonder if Australia's military budget can take over government spending , like it does in the U.S.

Only one problem though ........ need a nemesis.......ohhhhhh, I get it Indonesia.

Indonesia is the only neighbor Australia has that would like to take a chunk out of our country and could possibly do so.. We should be watching
them! Why apologize for doing what every one in the world does. Defense relies on information.

Oh I see and those Indonesians are pretty scary, all 238 million of them. Their first language isn't English and they are mostly Muslim. Have you
seen how they treat their cows?

We better ramp up our defense spending and allow more US troops over here

Won't be long until Abbott is claiming Indonesia has WCMD's (Weaponized Cows of Mass Destruction.)

I don't know a great deal about Australia but do follow the Sydney Morning Herald once and a while. Abbott seems to fit right in with our pols here
in the US. Or maybe I'm reading the wrong articles. Didn't he just blockade the boat people and send them into exile on some island?

Lets get this straight , we did until recently have no problem with Indonesia , only in our paranoid imagination.

So you advocate sticking them in their eye , so to speak , and provoking them and say they deserved it because well "Everyone else is doing it" , so
we go ahead and follow that astoundingly arrogant lead of the U.S Government and go shove a stick in Indonesia's eye?

Question:- How many countries are really pissed off with the U.S for spying at the moment?

OK , so lets start with spying and then they will retaliate in some way , then the fun really begins ehhh?

There is not much that Abbott can do about the spying. It has been going on for a long time, and will continue. It is part of the UKUSA Agreement
dating back to 1948. Pine Gap is a key part of the Anglosphere's intelligence apparatus.

Defence analyst Desmond Ball states that the fundamental basis of the US-Australian alliance, which officially began in 1941 is not the ANZUS Treaty
or the many dozen other defense cooperation agreements between Australia and the United States, but the UKUSA Agreement of 1947-48 concerning SIGINT
cooperation and exchange, and the maintenance of the 'joint facilities' in Australia. It is this agreement he argues which comprise the ties that
bind, and that in other words, the US relationship was now, somewhat ironically, indispensable to Australia's self-reliance. He argues that
Australia’s relatively small population, a land mass of some 7.7 million square kilometres (and a 200-mile Exclusive Economic Zone of about the same
area), and a coastline of some 12,000 kilometres, the defence of Australia requires high-technology long-range command and control, surveillance and
intelligence, and weapons systems -- all of which the US provide.

So, Australia is interdependent on the US, in terms of National Security. This is unlikely to change.

I'm with Abbott on this one, no Australian official should ever apologise for doing anything in the defence of Australia.

We are a sovereign country and we should do everything we can to secure our borders.

A more spineless person would of already apologised and done everything to placate the Indonesians by now, just as the greens dribble out everyday.
They will put anything in front of the Australian people.

And its not about making an enemy for NWO or Murdoch, its simply protecting Australia's interests.

I don't think any reasonable Australian would be worried by the military size of Indonesia, after all to even get to Australia they'd probably have
to lease a plane off Qantas.

I don't think any reasonable Australian would be worried by the military size of Indonesia, after all to even get to Australia they'd probably have
to lease a plane off Qantas.

You may want to look up some history, in particular, try studying Dunkirk. Then have a look at the size of the Indonesian fishing fleet. These are
not dingys but large fishing vessels. They can get here if they so choose.

Oh I see and those Indonesians are pretty scary, all 238 million of them. Their first language isn't English and they are mostly Muslim. Have you
seen how they treat their cows?

We better ramp up our defense spending and allow more US troops over here or else our strong 58,000 defence force is going to have a hard time killing
the 233,000 armed Indonesians invading us for our cattle and food.

I like Abbott but i think he has it wrong here, he should just say sorry we wont do it again, blame it on Rudd and move on.

I checked the electoral roll the other week--seems my Grandad is still enrolled to vote, he was a life long trade-unionist (BLF before it was CFMEU),
I would be most upset to find out if he was voting conservative in death.

Check if any of your dead relatives are still enrolled and take them off the role immediately--Conservatives are known to steal dead peoples votes.

Seriously by fishing boats, how the hell are they going to rearm and resupply? What about armor or even vehicles?
You seriously expect an army to land in Northern Australia by fishing boat then march to where, Perth Darwin Sydney or Brisbane on foot and empty
stomachs and declare Australia to be Indonesia?

As if Indonesia don't have their own agents spying on australian politicians and civilians.

And Abbott spineless for this? I don't see how, if he was that spineless, he'd quickly bury Rudd in all this.

No, I'd say phone tapping still goes on even now...well maybe not just now, ASIO have probably stopped for the moment till the heat is off, but there
are sure to be a few assets watching and listening. If we are to believe that Australia truly takes border security and illegal boat people seriously,
then spying and phone taps are a must to weed out the dirty Indo pollies mixed up with the people smugglers.

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