Strange A.I. Sites Online'

Hey folks, Harry here with an update! I was contacted by the mysterious Anna Ghaepetto and told that the story that follows... the links that follows have too many Xs for your map. If you want to begin the game as it should be played... just start with the name Jeanine Salla... do a search, and figure it out for yourself. Consuming all the links below at once may very well spoil your dinner... proceed with caution my friends!!!

Hey folks, Harry here... I got the following email from ClaviusBase concerning the A.I. credit in the trailer... "Sentient Machine Therapist - Jeanine Salla" Actually, several people sent in this info, and when I double checked the trailer... I realized they were right. Here's ClaviusBase's letter:

Hey Harry, This is my first time contacting you, but I found out something very interesting with the new AI Trailer. Check out the second frame of credits at the end of the trailer and you'll notice a credit to the Sentient Machine Therapist-Jeanine Salla. Type her name in the Google.com search engine, and see what sites pop up...pretty cool stuff!
Keep up the good work, Harry!! -ClaviusBase

Ok, so after messing around for a bit, I wound up at http://www.familiasalla-es.ro/ which is the home page of Jeanine Salla... The site seems to be all about an advocate and scientist that advanced cybernetics in the next 50 years or so to the point where Artificially Intelligent Robots with human-esque features became common place. As you click around the site, you'll eventually end up...

At this Location, In Our Image.Org is a pro-robot website that is advancing the free-speech and freedom to live unshackled to a human and be their own entity... Intelligently going on through time without SERVING humans. It informs about the dangers facing Robots of the day... the problems with the Anti-Robot Militias...

And that's what got my brain cooking... if they've (Spielberg and crew) thought about Pro-Robot pages... founder of free-thinking robot thought homepages... Then why wouldn't they create an Anti-Robot Militia page.... And after little effort, I found the homepage of the ANTI-ROBOT MILITIA aka Unite-And-Resist.Org! And boy, do they have a wire to pick with the robot folks... This is a pure HATE site... or is it? I mean these fucking tin-cans are taking jobs away from us red-bloods and food from our children's mouths... I've seen TERMINATOR... I know where these little smart rusting bastages will take the world... ALL THE WAY TO ARMAGEDDON!!! I know it! Ummm... Ok, well I have pills to go take, but I've warned ya!!!

Harry here... just found Sentient Property Crime Bureau website, where you can report your thinking toaster's crime against your anus!!! Report it Now!!!

Now I just found MetropolitanLivingHomes.Com which is a living home site, where you can live in a sentient house.... LIKE IN THE HAUNTING!!!!

Hey, everyone. "Moriarty" here. This goes deeper than Knowles realized at first. I signed on to start poking around for the evening and happened to go into our chat room. Harry was already there. He called me so we were talking as we checked the various links above, and we started posting the links to our chatters as well. Then a guy calling himself "Monkey Stan" signed on and said he had a complete list of the sites associated with the film, all the hidden sites. Some of them aren't active yet, and they have password menus that pop up to keep you out. As I did a domain search on them though, at the suggestion of "Monkey Stan," who turned out to be Stan Tobiason of Critic.com, it turns out that all of these sites are registered to the women of the Ghaepetto family. They're owned by alphabetically ascending members of the Ghaepetto family, too. Anna, Bianca, Carla, Daniella. As if that weren't all odd enough, check out how many ALICE IN WONDERLAND references are used in these domain names. This is a lot of fun. Someone associated with AI deserves major credit for their work.

There's working phone numbers on those websites. If you call 212-502-1177 and follow the directions to extension #2, it's a creepy message in which a woman asks for help in figuring out her husband's death while boating. There are layers upon layers upon layers of oddity to they way they've built this as a promo campaign. It's like there's some sort of mystery here. I can't wait to see how any of this ties in to the movie.

But wasn't this one of the story lines in Space: Above and Beyond (they were even called A.I.'s. Robots who got fed up with being slaves and rose up against the humans)? Who am I kidding, robots rising up is an old theme. Didn't Isaac Asimov come up with it? I hope they do something more intesting with it than "a boy's love concurs all, even war". It would just make me sick if there is an A.I. revolution, but the little wooden... uh, I mean robot boy saves humanity by teaching them to love. BLEEECH!!!!

hell when you coined the term robotics and shit like that it is hard not to be ripped off continually.
throughout asimov's robot stories there is a continuing theme of humans hating robots. it is somewhat solved after a couple of millienium but not really, robots do have equal rights but most humans still don't like them.
the becentinial man was the main one that directly attacked the issue. and i have not seen the film version of it but it looks completely different to book in the trailer. there was no fucking robot human kissing or cheek slapping in the book. he was a fucking robot you turned columbus not a god damn human!!!
anyway, so yes asimov did this all 30+ years ago. and potty mouth is right, speilberg is as bad as columbu, bet there will be robot human relationships of the intimate kind in AI, hmmmpggg, it's not far, we want monkey sex in planet of the apes not robot sex in any other shit!!
but speilberg is a wanker. and harry, wake up, the reason he is doing this kubrick thing is because he has run out of new ideas. he has no soul!! he cannot create anything original anymore, he sold his soul to make the biggest money making films of all time, and now he sucks. just look at the junk he is making now. no soul!!! all visuals and tear jerking wankfests BUT NO SOUL!!!!
so yes, i will be there watching AI so he has won, but i am giving him the benefit of the doubt. i hope he can do something good with this, but it still feels like ET meets amistad to me

...According to my Brewster's 20th Century Phrase and Fable: ROBOT (Czech _robota_, forced labour) ...Name comes from Karel Capek's play R.U.R. (Rossum's Univeral Robots), which was successfully produced in London in 1923... (Yeah, I know, it's a worthless tidbit of information, but I bought the damn book for $5 on clearance, and I'm going to use facts derived from it any chance I get...)

This is genius! They have actually created a world the consumes our own. I've just checked out the various site mentioned above and all I can say is... wow! This is WAY better than that silly 'MutantWatch' campaign that Fox did for 'X-MEN' last summer. Speilberg has them beat, hands down! Oh yeah... and SCREW THOSE DAMNED ROBOTS!!! LIVE IN THE FLESH, MAN!!!

I know little about the movie. The less the better, the way my brain jumps ahead and spoils things for me. I couldn't resist viewing a couple of the sites, though. I must say the included details and continuity I've seen are excellent. For example, I've found several references in these sites to Durham, NC being on the coast. (For those who don't know, it's well inland.) That much errosion is plausible, if not probable, given the time setting of the movie. Attention to smaller details like this can make a good story great. I'm looking forward to this one.

http://www.familiasalla-es.ro/letter.html
Can someone decode this page for me? Valencies of the atoms maybe significant? That's all I could come up with. Check out the root page etc, and see how it links to it: this was sent to the woman after her husband died (killed by a sex-bot on a boat??).

they put a lot of thought into this. On the rogue recovery page, the name of the agent that recovers rogue robots is "Fidelio". Fidelio was the password in Eyes Wide Shut. Some serious thought went into these web pages. If they put as much effort into the movie (how could they not) as they did these web pages then this is going to be something really special. This is so great!

I don't know if this is obvious to everybody,but the sites owners' family name sounds pretty familiar... "Ghaepetto " is a mispronounciation of "Geppetto", surrogate father of none other than Pinocchio.Also,in the original novel (EXTREMELY different from the sugar-coated Disney movie,btw)there aren't any Bianca,Carla,ecc,even though these are italian names...I guess this could confirm that (as it was speculated somewhere )"A.I." will be a re-telling of Pinocchio, the tale of an artificial boy who only wanted to be human...
ah,try looking for words such as "Collodi" or "lucignolo",they are closely related to the original tale...

The name Kent Whitman (the bloke shot dead by Pasqual the runaway on the Rogue Retrieval page) is an amalgamation of the names Professor Kent A. Stevens and Professor Whitman Richards, both of whom worked on AI in the 70's at MIT.
The creation kills the creator...
On the other hand I could be talking complete crap.

This is pretty odd, but it makes sense - Evan Chan was killed by a marauding pleasure AI, according to the Anti-Robot Militia site ... now one of the links on the Chan page goes to the familiasalla homepage, where Laia Salla is an AI that's into sex ... and is married/connected to Jeanine Salla who could be having a relationship with Evan Chan -- hmmm, jealous rage? This is a pretty in-depth series of pages ... wish I had the job writing the storyline!

leads to... a french website, and i'll say no more. but it doesn't seem to be up yet. You know they were trying to get these websites into search engines as early as the beginning of March, at least? So the seeds have been around for a while.

I figured the atomic code puzzle on the jeaninesalla.com site translated as coronsweborg, ie coron's web org. so i tried all variations on that as a URL until www.coron.org worked. but the french site it leads into does not appear to be affiliated with the movie. I give up.

Some cool sf stuff (and I don't mean "I click-As-I-Move's" baloney) related to the film can be found by reading (the obvious) Brian Aldiss' "Supertoys" (at www.brianwaldiss.com), Ian Watson's early 70s novels specifically (JONAH KIT, FLIES OF MEMORY, EMBEDDING) and Barrington Bayley's SOUL OF THE ROBOT (which Kubrick read while working on the screenplay). There's a Watson site at http://www.kdsi.net/~dmackey/watson.htm and a Bayley site at http://oivas.com/bjb/ .. worth looking into.

From the Anti-Robot site: DEALING WITH ROBOSEXUALS
The desire to propagate ones own kind is natural. It is rare in nature that this drive is limited. The question is, does nature cull out
those it finds unfit for reproduction? Robosexuals must be encouraged to separate their lifestyles from the community at large

SPOILER ******** it is, of course, coronersweb.org, ******* END SPOLIER one of the sites already linked to from AICN. hence Neo's boo-hoo about giving away answers. Goddammit I skip to the end of Whodunnit novels, what do I know?

To confirm Ironwill's suspicions, the IMDB listing for AI notes that polar ice melting has raised ocean levels to the point where some coastal areas have been flooded. But Durham's still a LOOONG way from the current shoreline, and if that's the case, there's bound to be some mighty tall dikes up around manhattan way...

This is pretty cool: Did you notice who the dead guy was that appeared in the warning? Have you solved the crypto? If you write the dead guys name SPOILER******* evan chan ******* END SPOILER in the the field and press enter, you will get a message that someone already has accessed the file and you will get a name. You will also gain acces to his autopsy report. This is interesting. Keep posting if you find some new clues.

At the DonuTech web page, several individual emails are listed. I sent to each asking who they were. Here are some of the [automatic] replies I received.(I've yet to hear from Evan Chan, Associate Researcher Biothermal Analysis...)
Although I cannot respond to your message at this time, it has been logged and I will access it in due course. Please forgive the inconvenience and be assured that it will receive my full attention as soon as possible.
Svetlana Cellini
"The devil is in the details. So is God"
I'm sorry but I cannot take your message right now, but I am occupied with urgent business. I will reply to your message as soon as my responsibilities permit.
Ibrim Hoxa
'The world is in Allah's hands and we rejoice in doing his bidding'
Your message has been noted and will receive the appropriate reply in due course.
Carter Swem
"In Adam's fall, so fell we all.
It is our pride and responsibility as men to set things right."
My system has received your e-mail, but for some as-yet unclear reason I have not been able to access it. When I'm back from or done with whatever it is that is important enough to come between our efforts at communication, I will give it my fullest attention.
Tiffany Wang
"Duty is freedom. Responsibility is freedom. Hard work in a just cause is freedom.
If I'm not struggling against imminent doom, I'm probably out ballooning."
I'm sorry, but I am working on an extremely urgent project and am unable to respond to you message at this. Please submit your e-mail at another time.
Valerie Devidal
"Mankind is the universe's way of understanding itself.
It is a formidable task.
But above all, it is an immense honor."
Interesting signature lines, huh?

I forgot to note this, but in addition to Evan, I didn't receive replies from Moussa Zaki Khalil, Salif Ojukwa, or Mario Dauphin...
go here to see entire research staff:
http://www.donu-tech.com/researchstaff.html

I'm afraid I was unable to respond to your message. I am either working on an important project or, if this is the weekend, out sailing.
Evan Chan
Sailing to sunset
Sweet touch of the evening star
Darkness falls like rain

On the Anti-Robot Militia site it mentions that Chan was killed by a pleasure bot. Could this have been Laia Salla? If he was engaging in some sort of immoral purposes, then that might explain the Mann Act passage in Salla's site. Also, could Jeanine have programmed Laia to kill Chan because she knew she could never have him. Damn if I ain't hooked.

First, if you are curious about the german site, go to a web translating site such as:
http://translate.lycos.com
They do a pretty good job translating the material. I was able to read that whole german page (and some of the sub-pages).
Second, people should start looking at the meta-content of the webpages. I've noticed on a couple of the pages that there are some names in the source code. They may mean something.

Although there is a lot of cool stuff here, I imagine that very little of it is relevant. I imagine that a lot of this effort was done to distract web-heads from looking to closely at the actual story - in a sense, its like an extra feature on a DVD - ultimately irrelevant to the story, but a lot of fun.

Odd that no one has noticed the strange abscence of Colleen Francesca Salla from the family's website. Even the page that says "Four Women" at the top only has three.
Also, in all of the pictures of Evan Chan on the Salla family site, he' bizarrely transparent.

I have also picked up on something else about a shooting in Washington - details on the Rogue Retrieval site - I also noticed that there have been no references to Rogue Retrieval elsewhere - AND just sent an email for updates from the Salla family site - got this response "OK, I've tagged you for periodic bursts of Laia-type insight. By the way, interesting choice of retro interface protocols. A nicely ironic medium for our message. If it weren't for some other things going on right now, Laia would laugh.
--Mephista" - WHO OR WHAT IS MEPHISTA?

The Salla family web site is designed and maintained by Laia Salla. Two hours before Laia heard of Evan Chan's accident, someone posted the element puzzle to the site without Laia's or Mephista's permission. I am assuming that Mephista is some kind of intelligent agent that helps run the site. Anyway, if you figure out the puzzle, as Laia must have done since she enjoys cryptology as a hobby, you are led to coronersweb.org. On that site is the autopsy report for Evan Chang. We are able to access the report because someone has already paid for it to be made public. This person goes by the name of Sencha, which is a type of Chinese green tea that is honey coloured. Could Sencha have been a pet name that Evan had for Laia? Evan was Chinese and Laia is honey colored.
If Laia is the murderous sexbot, as some have proposed, why is someone sending encrypted clues to her that lead to an autopsy report which definitively states Evan did not die by accident? And in response to WildGoose, the fourth woman is the sentient boat.

They are getting lots of publicity for thier movie - ALSO - Can anyone figure out what the message that pops up from the Salla family site means - the green one that says "Get Out, Deep Water, You Would Drown" and then dissolves into the picture of a dead Evan Chan - seems like this is an AI brain function...

I got into Evan's personal page at DocuTech. The key is to check the pictures on the chan family webpage. One will give you the ID #. The password is the greek name of something that he wants very much.

Ok, i got to the letter page and while i was trying to solve it, the warning came up (wait about 5 minutes and you'll see it) that tells you to 'Get Out...'...You will be broken...' and then makes a picture of that Chan dude, then promptly dissapears. wierd.
Also, has anyone been on henryswinton.com (i think thats it) it requires you to use a password to get to IASA. Just wondering if anyone got it.
Also...what is katenei.com all about? I can't see no logical reason for the site being there. Although the elements of design may mean something but i doubt it.
I also signed up for familiasalla mail...nothing much, just something about periodic bursts of info.
thats finally all anyway...does anyone have anything else?

If you notice on the front page of Salla's site it has a birth lottery certificate.( I assume that is how procreation is attained since Evan mentioned that he and Nancy obtained one 6 months after they were married and Derrick was born.) This one bears the name of Colleen. Could that have any signicance? Maybe..A procreation between man and A.I? It also states that Colleen was made by the machine. In this case the machine would be Laia. As far as the message, I got something different. "Get out. Dark dream. You will not wake up." Then it shows Chan's dead body.

Ok, i just went to Evan Chan's own webpage (the one where he talks about his boat and stuff) and another warning message popped up, it says...Get Out...Physical Lookup In Progress...Hide While You Can...(i think thats it, a rough estimation) and the picture of the dead Chan pops up again. Wierd.

That is Jude Law's character's name. And in reality, the Mann Act was one that dealt with Child Prostitution.
"The Mann Act was enacted by Congress through its power to regulate interstate commerce, as a means of addressing the problem of prostitution and immorality in general."

Also on the Chan Family News, the last entry says Evan came in third place in the Inner Banks Regatta race behind....Millioniare Enrico Basta. You will find him on METROPOLITANLIVINGHOMES.COM under Kate Nei's link. She apparently designed his home called the Isabella. And he happen to live in Durham, N. C. where Evan died. The pathologists that did the autopsy on Evan was AUDREY GREEN

I cracked it.. think about it.. why would a sentient boat want to kill its owner? Perhaps because it's jealous.. of something else.. something bigger. A classic case of penis envy, right? So close... but in the language of Gyros. Oh, my goddess! Good luck! And I think you'll be fascinated with the "personal pics" on Evan's page. Clearly, something is deeper in his life... this is the most brilliant movie marketing ever. I'm won over, for life.

Oblique hints and the investigative adventure is what this is all about. If you find a solution, provide hints, not answers! After all, a Greek dictionary is only a Yahoo search away. Can we, the TalkBackers, maintain the mystery? I hope so. Evan Chan would have wanted it this way!

Ok, i have the password...think Mira Sorvino (what a godess she is...anyway...) i think i have the ID number but nothing happens, i'm spelling the password the way it should be in greek but i'm just stumped...Help!!!

..after reading Evan's e-mail. Who is Mother? Why is she sending a dead guy e-mail? What's her fascination with Alice in Wonderland? And most importantly, what's the ID code for...? I await the next brilliant mind to lead us somewhere new! Fun!

Thanks for the tip Missy! Evan's page should lead to new information. How twisted is Evan that he named his robot sex slave after the thing he most desires? Or perhaps the thing he most desires is named after the robot sex slave? I can see why the boat might get pissed. If you don't see what I am getting at, look at the URL's for the pictures on Evan's private page.

Mm. Right. The scrapbook images on Evan Chan's personal page are an excellent hint. His envy of larger vessels, and their Greek counterparts, as well as his own portraits. For whoever still isn't getting something, you may be having the same problem I had initially; the third digit in Evan's 4-digit ID looks a bit like a 6, but it's a 0.
Anyone figure out how to use "mother"'s little helpful hint? Doesn't work with IASA.

Someone at the yahoo Jeanine Sallas conspiracy site on yahoo seems to believe that this is a game that is occuring in real time - They have been following this for a couple of days and take note of new things being added to various sites - check it out - NOTICE THAT THE EMAIL FROM MOTHER IS ADDRESSED TO "Not Evan" meaning that the sender knows Evan is dead and that someone is looking at his email!! CRAZY!!

Hey all, just getting into the thick of this, but I think I've got a new site for us all to consider. Check out www.ita-es.ro. No great sleuth work on my part, just some search engine manipulation on "Aragon Institute." Whaddaya think, anything helpful here? I know I like mech fighting...

So, can we assume that the boat "Venus" is named after the woman, "Venus"? Venus being Enciro Basta's companion? Is it possible that Evan had an affair with Venus, on Venus? Causing his boat to become a bit.. jealous? Or is it possible that the figure, "Venus", is really just the "interface" to the boat? A human-like robotic interface to a complex machine? Too many questions! Any other theories?

It is clear that a lot of work went into this. It is a game and if you want to respect it, follow the rules. It seems to me that this is a self-contained universe - that means no Google searches, etc... - just follow the links as they are presented and the game should unravel - notice that Jeanine Salla's webpage at the university has ONLY 1 LINK - and that the Salla family page has only 2 exit links - to DonuTech and INOURIMAGE.com - follow the links CONTAINED IN THE SITES - follow from Jeanine Salla's site at Bangalore university and go from there - I imagine things will make themselves clearer as you go.

IMHO. Anyway, whilst the possibility that one of the 4 women in his life (the sallas pair, his wife, and his AI boat) was responsible for his death is the one that springs to mind most easily (my initial suspicion was laia, with maybe the boat my second choice). But having read his emails, does anyone else suspect his bosses? The pair of them send him emails saying "Yeah, that problem with the eqipment was nothing serious! let's all go with the big push!". Sounds like the setup to The Fugitive to me. He suspected their product didn't work??? And they topped him? (hell, maybe they hacked into the boat/girl). Also, what is the ID code (that 'mother' refers to) the code for? and can anyone find the page for the 'kitty' massage parlour? ;)

They registered the domains without a consistent company name. Therefore, 'whois' won't help much. I think we should solve this mystery the old-fashioned way -- with clues, not Network Solutions. And our clues leave us at Evan's e-mail...

Man, what a mindjob this stuff is. Well, I'm afraid if I get too far into this, Jude Law will find me and crush my skull with his helmey-like hair, but here's a thought: at the beginning of the new trailer (damn that Teddy! It shall haunt my nightmares for weeks, thus replacing that "wilight of the Cockroaches" thing), they have that "seven digit code" thing, and it has a little thing that says it's "permanent and irreversible", then it gives us a bunch of words that are apparently unrelated and random( and most of them are eight or six letters... well, I'm still gnawing my leg to see this movie, even if it's not that encouraging to people who can count)... lessee here... there's "cirrus", "Socrates", "particle", "dolphin", "tulip", "decible", and "hurricane". Maybe the ghost of Socrates will make dolphins hell really loud... um... I dunno. Well, at this point I'd say any chance of people saying Shpiel ain't doin' Kubby justice is thoroughly shot to hell, no? 'bout time. Now, bring on those Stan Winston robots! Nee ha! I mean... pling. This has been a Moment with User ID Indeed! The Love Boat, indeed.

Hey all, I've been reading the posts and figuring out the riddles and puzzles and what-not in this maze of webpages with great fun. It's refreshing not to have a TALK BACK posting full of Episode 2 rips and the like. Anyway, did anybody catch the connection between the coroner Dr. Djombe Ojimbwa, M.D. and Jeanine Salla taking the same day off as a "Personal Day"? It may be nothing but I've been trying to cross-check Evan's "Events Calendar" with Jeanine Salla's to see if anything corresponds. So far, I haven't seen anything, but the date of Evan's autopsy is 3-10-2142 and that Dr. Djombe Ojimbwa, M.D. was "absent" & "taking a personal day". Jeanine's calendar says that she's "out of town. personal". This is getting interesting. Later.

If you go through the trailer frame by frame in the end credits a 323 pops up between the www.aimovie.com and aol keyword: ai text. I can't figure out exactly what that means or how to go about finding out but i am sure that it is of some significance. post anything if you find out.

Alright, so Fidelio takes down Pasqual who is responsible for the death of Kent Whitman. Don't know where Whitman fits in to all of this but his is the only other name besides Chan that you can access at the coroner site. It's paid for by GK, while the few other names I've tracked down at the coroner (besides Chan) need to be paid for.
Anyone locate a 12 digit Universal Address # for the Anti-Robot Militia.

We know that Evan died on his boat. And we know it was homicide. But it seems that the two sides have very strong opinions on the WHY's of this story. The anti-robot groups claim that Evan was killed by a "rampaging pleasure-bot". This almost certainly gives proof that he was with VENUS on the boat -- VENUS, as you may remember, is the dashing companion of Enrico Basta as seen at Kate Mei's home design. Venus was gorgeous, and we know they'd been together on the past, because there's some very "boat-like" pictures of her on Evan's personal company web page. So the question is: did Venus rampage, like the anti-robot people suggest? Or, if we take the other side, and believe that these robotic beings CAN have feelings, maybe Cloudmaker was so completely jealous that Evan was sleeping with Venus, basically, inside of her, that she killed them both. It all depends: do robots have feeling or not? Are you pro, or anti-robot? Hmm... Evan, you will not die in vain! We will solve this!

On the day Evan died, his calendar says he has a meeting from 10 am to 1 pm. These 3 hour meetings go all the way back to January and are scheduled in advance to June. Obviously, these are the times where Evan was meeting Venus (and possibly someone else?)on his boat. Evan was also going to marriage counseling with Nancy during that time.
A thought on the employer conspiracy theory: In Evan's mail there is a letter from Instant Genius saying that Evan's request for a search on "Indian Ocean+/thermovariance+/mutant strainsORbiot" is complete. This search is related to a theory that global warming will increase mutations in deadly bacteria and virii. Is it possible that Evan found evidence that new, deadly strains of bugs are developing and his employer is trying to cover it up? Perhaps the Donutech client, WaterWorks-Green Microtech , has a vested interest in Evan's discovery not going public.

Ok, Eric got me thinking about this whole thing and what it has to do with the movie...now i think that we'll find out the boat killed Evan...why? because they want us to be convinced that robots have feelings too (His love is real...but he is not) i think its nothing more than a gimmick to be tied in with the film...its still an enjoyable one though, no doubt. i just dont think this has any signifigance to the movie (If i'm wrong then i take it all back). One more thing, i'm sure that Eric has something to do with all this, he seems to be pointing us all in the right direction quite a bit...or maybe i'm just tired, oh well it still feels like he's dropping hints...now where do we go from Evan's E-mail...

GPJ -- I'm not actually associated with this film, although I wish I was right now! I just enjoy these types of mysteries, and really like that everyone is pitching in with their theories and ideas -- it's an exciting collaboration. And yes, of course this is a tie-in "gimmick" with the movie -- but it doesn't really matter to me. I think it stands alone as a really neat "game", regardless. Some marketing efforts are odious. But this one, with all the work that went into it, is admirable to me. Anyhow, the big question you raise is a good one -- will they ever mention Evan Chan in the movie, or is this just a sidestory getting us up to speed with the climate of the future? I don't know, but I can't wait. I'll be the one guy cheering when they say "Evan Chan" in passing. =) Anyway, onward! I love these theories and ideas! More!

i posted something about the 323 in the trailer and then i went to the website for Jeanine Salla
where she talks about getting a message just before getting word of Evan's death. It appeared to be some sort of math problem. I got the atomic number of each of the elements and did the math which worked out to be 406. 406? what the hell are they trying to do to me? ARGH!!!

I've been trying to connect Evan Chan to the Swintons since the Swintons are the only ones we know are characters in the film. And the closest I could come was that Martin was a student of Jeanine Salla. But then I looked at the cast list and discovered that Martin Swinton is played by Jake Thomas, a ten yearold, in the movie. Interesting that in the movie, Martin is a boy (David's brother) but in this web mystery, he's an adult. I believe I read that Martin was born in 2085 (although can't find it now) which would mean the film would take place around 2095, almost 50 years earlier than Evan Chan's death.

Has anyone figured out what the name and password is for the PACO website? Also what is up with the number in Mother's e-mail? I too got the magic 406 number when adding the atomic weights together from the riddle. I tried taking the square root, but that didn't work as it's a decimal. More later. I've got 5 websites open and am trying to cross-check and figure stuff out. This is fun!

For your late comers (hi!), the "atomic chart" has been cracked -- it's not so much numbers-based, as it is LETTERS-based. NaCl, baby... It will lead you to a very interesting site where you can learn more about the outcome of a certain fellow named Evan... go for it!

On the autopsy report, it says that Evan's DOB was 20-2-2066. That means that they DO put the day first, followed by the month and then the year. So, I guess he WAS killed on the 8th of March and that the coroner was on a personal day on the date of the autopsy as well as Jeanine Salla. Hmmmm. . . What is the connection?

Worried that once this news story scrolled off of AICN, my life would become meaningless (kidding!), I've decided to set up a mailing list for the discussion of this fascinating game. Let's keep the clues and theories coming! To join, please visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cloudmakers/join

So, was the woman in the picture on Evan's personal webpage the "robosexual"? She certainly has that blank, glazed "come-hither" look in her eyes that a robot sex model would have (but, then again so does Tara Reid). Was she the killer? Did the boat take control of her and have her kill Evan? Ideas? Also, any more codes? It seems like we have a lot of keys but noone knows the right key-holes to put them in. Nice work on the Yahoo Club too. I was thinking the same thing.

I just got back from my kids baseball game and I haven't been able to stop thinking about this. I kinda put Enrico's wife(?), Venus, in the whole scheme of things. Venus was also the name of the boat that Chan wanted. Could it have been Enrico's boat named after his wife? In Chan's news page it says he competed with him in a boat race. That leads me to believe that he was familiar with him. Also if he was having an affair with Venus, the wife, what if she was the pleasure bot. Think about it..

On the "Four Women" page there is an almost invisible heart next to Evan Chan's name. This got me to thinking about the icons next to everyone else's names-- possibly some sort of code? None of the icons do anything, and their names are relatively uninteresting... come on, someone bite, do something with this...

i need the code for laia at the 212 number. i think there is some important shit in that message. btw, i think its cool how were all working on this.
so find me that code! its not 323, 406, or 668473. HELP!
Also, did anyone have luck with the 2nd ph #? its 919-425-2310.
good luck

It's Jeanine Salla's voice mail where she thanks everyone for helping her through this difficult time. Also called David Swinton's munber earlier. It's another answering machine saying they are closed.
Has anyone else been getting odd pop ups when they type Evan Chan's name? It's not all the time. Just sometimes. It's really odd.

The link in the article doesn't work. I got through this another way. it's www.belladerma-srl-it.ro
If someone has a fax machine please go here and put in your number. It claims that Belladerma will fax you back.
If you have know idea what Belladerma is check some news at the less friendly robot sites.

As for how young Evan and others look despite their age, the answer is simple. In the future, those who can afford it will be able to drastically increase their lifespans and their virile, active years. Take a look at Evan's calendar on his private site and you'll see quite a few appointements to have various parts of his body reconstructed. (upgraded deltoids, metacarpals, and gums; a genital retread, a biorythm adjustment)

I used Dialpad.com to make those calls to bothe Jeanine Salla's number and the one about the funeral. None of the mailbox numbers worked and I have no idea about the secret, Laia code. This is just way cool. The people who set this up are probably shitting themselves, reading all us geeks post about small clues and discoveries. Neat. About that heart next to Evan's page. It also beats, right? Weird. Also, the page for familiasalla was supposedly set up by Laia. And, does anyone know anything about this Colleen Francesca? It seems that the home page to the Sallas is an evolution of a family/humankind? Jeanine was human and "made the machine". She had astigmatism and wore glasses. She was a 2D movie consultant and she made AIs. Colleen was a "eugenically bred human", had perfect, 20/10 vision, was taught by brilliant AIs and had her color-blindness gene removed by a viral splice(Dominant or Recessive? Who's her father?), she was also a 3D VR comsumer (sp?). Laia is an "enhanced post human", is a holographic artist, has AI implants and has optical impants. She also has download and playback capability. Did she see something? Will we be able to access it when we figure out a secret?!?!?!? Did she see the murder?!?!?!? How cool would that be. The text on the DNA says, "Breaking the helix". Should we be looking for a gene sequence? (A)-Adenine, (G)-Guanine, (T)-Thymine, (C)-Cytosine? Any ideas?

Seeing how well this kind of mystery works I simply can't wait for a game based on this same concept. It's called Majestic
http://www.majestic.ea.com
and is supposed to contact YOU giving you a phone calls, sending faxes and e-mail etc. How great is that going to be :)

Check out Evan's "Events Calendar" on his hidden, private page. "2/11/2142 - Call L. for report (remind her not to download to home system!)" Was she (Laia?) checking up on someone? For him? This is getting (already is) cool.

This is what keys we've got, and keys we need to fill, that I can see. KEYS: A) From Evan's mailbox: 668437. B) "323" shown during 1 frame in the trailer; this may be nothing. KEYHOLES: A) Did anyone manage to login at the bottom of the Coroner's site? B) UAN needed for the Dermaweb Catalog. C) UAN needed for the Anti-Robot Militia. D) IASA login needed [accessed via Martin or others], E) Code for Laia's message on Evan's wife's voicemail. ...... Obviously, we are still missing a lot of stuff. It may be that the mystery's impossible to unravel until they feed us some more hints (which may take months). Let us hope not! Continue the quest.

We have 668437 and 323 and 406 (the sum of all the atomic numbers in the Evan code). However, the last two may mean nothing. But, since the Jeanine Salla reference came from the trailer and kicked this all off, I have a feeling that it does mean something. I tried all the numbers in a bunch of orders and have come up with diddley. Wild Goose, you know something? Share with the rest of the class, please? Anyone else notice the Latin words/phrase on the Belladerma website. I tried translating them from Latin (are they?) to English and didn't come up with much. Quidem means "indeed". Anyone know what the others mean? "Lombardi Quidem Artem Amatorium Invenerunt". And have we worked on the seven-word code from the trailer at all? Any significance there? Man, I'm gonna be up all night!!!

Coronersweb has more hidden than just Evan's death. Another robot related death from the ARM page will lead you to another report.
Is this realted to Evan Chan, another mystery, or just a way to throw us off track?

Bust this, y'all. I know the passcode for Jeanine Salla's special message to Laia. In the message, Jeanine tells Laia that Nancy doesnt want Laia to attend Evan's funeral because it would upset her too much. Let the speculation begin.

Re: 406... I think that we established that the atomic symbols were clues leading to coronersweb. While 406 may still have significance, I expect it's more likely a superfluous bit of trivia. As for the latin, I don't know the word Lombardi and can't seem to find it (or Lombardus) in a Latin dictionary. If it is a noun, the sentence could be translated as: "The [Lombards] certainly discovered the method/art/form of their love." .... 668437="mother", huh? Eenteresting... Anyone gotten around to faxing Dermathing yet?

. . . uh, did I just say that out loud? Anyway, thanks for the translation. I am sans a Latin dictionary and the online ones didn't work out too sweet. I tried using 114 as Laia's special code, but it didn't work. I did get sent to a few messages where the voice mail lady was giving me directions. But, with dialpad.com, the controls aren't too sweet. Goose, give us some hints as to the code. Pllleeeeeeeasssssseeeeee?!?!?!?! Thanks.

As posted above, in Evan's email from mother (which by the way, isn't to Evan) mother tells the reader that SHE wouldnt have used 668437 as her passcode. This means mother. If Laia is the reader, then her code is...wait for it...5242. This is access code for Jeanine Salla's voicemail. Snooch to the motherfuckin nootch.

Thanks for the hint WildGoose. You can be my wingman anytime. Bullshit! You can be mine! Kidding. Now, we have to start working on the other "funeral info" number and all the other clues. I wonder how many of these clues are phone dialpad and letter combinations. Hopefully not all of them. Later.

Bustafart, peep this. As WildGoose said, "I can only show you the door". Look on the "our scrapbook" page at Nancy Chan's webpage. Look in the photos for a 4-digit code. The password is another thing. It's a word. It's Greek. It's the equivalent for the name of a big boat that Evan's jealous of. It's also in the title of a Mira Sorvino movie. If you scroll up the TalkBack, you can find all these clues. Good luck. Then, you can join us in the rest of the clues and hidden secrets that we have no idea how to access yet. Later.

I've decoded http://www.familiasalla-es.ro/letter.html.
Take the chemical symbols for the elements to get coronersweborg. And the coronersweb.org site has already been discovered. So, old news I guess ;)

Weird I could have sworn I have seen this movie before.
Doesn't this boy grow donkey ears, and long pointed nose and eventually he gets swallowed by a whale. It's strange because this movie is not out yet and I already know the plot. Must be a bad case of Deja Veux

I pressed RETURN by mistake. If SENCHA is ES CHAN, what's his middle name? Does that mean anything? Also, anything with the names and initials of the Sallas as well? They all have a first, middle and last name (duh) but something seems to be there, staring us in the face and we aren't catching it yet. Man, I gotta go to bed. Hope to catch up tomorrow. Go to that Yahoo website if you get anything. Otherwise, Harry can get another TALKBACK going. Later.

The number, 668437, is mother on a telephone keypad, as we've already ascertained. Therefore, I think it is safe to say that the e-mail, grave robber, in Chan's private page is from this "mother" (whether or not it is the real mother is unknown) is to Laia, because we know her passcode is 6242, which is her name on a keypad. Just a thought, maybe there's more there.

Forgot to mention that my logic is that "Mother" in the e-mail, mentions that she is smart because she would never use the 668437 number as her passcode, which Laia did. SHe does refer to herself as being smarter "than this poor corpse" though, which is a little weird, cuz Laia isn't dead... Or is she? Is Chan really alive and Laia really dead? Speculation flies.

The message from mother could actually be for us - the players. Little curious childs, digging the grave (mailbox) of a dead man. Saying that she would never use password like that is just another clue because such password is kind of easy to break. And she is smarter than the poor corpse, because we already know Evan's password and have no clue what could be hers.
Mother may be here to help us in the quest, to give some directions or clues just like she already did.
Furthermore, I think Mother is actually Mephista, AI who helps Laia making the web site. Mephista made the site - the looking glass we were looking through to find clues for Evan's user ID and password ("And I made the looking glass"). Also, she obviously spies on Laia, knowing her password and giving us clue how to get it.

I'd like to point out that when Harry first posted the lists of sites, the last few I clicked on came up with boxes for IDs and Passwords, like maybe they weren't done or something. Now the URLs are empty, like maybe they websites have been moved or something.

Tried throwing some homicide victim names off ARM into PACO, then I get a prompt for a credit tag number!!! Shit. No progress on the UAN either....well we know it's 12 digits...I want to get into that Bellerama site! (also requires a UAN)....what we need is a cache of personal info...! lastthing----I still don't get how that person figured the PASSWORD for Evan's donutech personal page was the GREEK translation of the object of his envy! JESUS! How does greek come into this? Whatever man, kudos to you!

My Idea for a Robot movie:
It's the future, and androids exist but they are very very expensive. There is a guy obsessed with a former girlfriend. He is stalker material. His former girlfriend gets married to another guy. The Stalker is pissed, but he's rich and offers his X-Girlfriend and husband money to digitally scan her image so he can make an android of her. It's perfect, and the stalker is happy. The android is programmed to love him. The real X-Girlfriend then dies in a car crash, and her husband is devastated. Now the husband guy becomes a stalker because the image of her exists in the android and he misses her. The two guys kill each other fighting over the android. The movie ends with the android chick pretending to be human at an android factory and asking if she can get an android of the stalker made.

First off, the issue of the characters being older than they appear. Its been pointed out that appointments for organ replacements were scheduled on Evan's secret page. Since creating an entire AIs is apparently cost effective in this time period, one has to assume that replacement parts are equally available (even on a reasearcher's budget). Perhaps longer life spans (in addition to population growth) were the reason that the Birth Lottery was enacted in the first place. Maybe it was deemed the lesser of two evils to deny birthrights than to deny life extending technologies.
Now about the Chonology of the Game and the film. In the trailer its suggested that the creation of an entirely human AI was something that hadn't been attempted before. Ausmit's character may be the first one, and the film is a study of the evolution of robots moving from tools to citizens from his point of view (kinda like Bicentenal Man, 'cept good).
Just thought of this one, in the trailer the voiceover mentioned that the broken hearted parents were waiting for a "License". Suggesting that the child AI isn't for those who are medically unable to have children, but those who haven't been given permission. Maybe the plan is to "recycle" these children, allowing them to be raised and re-raised by different parents. How long would these cycles last?
Just wild speculation on my part. As far as the game goes, I'm far too lazy to figure this stuff out (or even pick up the phone... its all the way in the other room!). So I'll just leech off of you all for now... keep it comming, this stuff is great!

First off, the issue of the characters being older than they appear. Its been pointed out that appointments for organ replacements were scheduled on Evan's secret page. Since creating an entire AIs is apparently cost effective in this time period, one has to assume that replacement parts are equally available (even on a reasearcher's budget). Perhaps longer life spans (in addition to population growth) were the reason that the Birth Lottery was enacted in the first place. Maybe it was deemed the lesser of two evils to deny birthrights than to deny life extending technologies.
Now about the Chonology of the Game and the film. In the trailer its suggested that the creation of an entirely human AI was something that hadn't been attempted before. Ausmit's character may be the first one, and the film is a study of the evolution of robots moving from tools to citizens from his point of view (kinda like Bicentenal Man, 'cept good).
Just thought of this one, in the trailer the voiceover mentioned that the broken hearted parents were waiting for a "License". Suggesting that the child AI isn't for those who are medically unable to have children, but those who haven't been given permission. Maybe the plan is to "recycle" these children, allowing them to be raised and re-raised by different parents. How long would these cycles last?
Just wild speculation on my part. As far as the game goes, I'm far too lazy to figure this stuff out (or even pick up the phone... its all the way in the other room!). So I'll just leech off of you all for now... keep it comming, this stuff is great!

I'd love to see dicks like this "Phantom Einstein" guy actually show me a film they have made, or a script.. hell even a well written review of a film. Just a bunch of jealous wannabe film makers... "this sucks" "hes a hack" "this is shit" WHINGE WHINGE WHINGE... anyway, please go away you 'hate geeks', we're all getten sick of you.

But isnt Mephista the AI that Laia had implanted inside her?
Mephista talks about Laia like she's connected to her and Laia's site DOES say she's got AIs implanted in her.
Other than that, this talkback is a testament to many hands making light work! Bravo!

Have people talked about the fact that the Salla website was "fashioned" by Laia on March 8, 2142, same day Evan died?
Also, on the Kate Nei section of the Metropolitan Living Homes site where Enrico Basta and Venus are profiled, Venus is referred to as Enrico's elegant "companion", which is the name of one of the models of AIs that Belladerma offers (series C400.) Also, Venus and Enrico are referred to as "Milanese Aristocracy" and the AI models on the Belladerma page are found in the Milano Gallery. I bet Venus is a Belladerma AI - most likely the one whose skin was found under Evan's fingernails during his autopsy. Did she kill him or did Enrico in a fit of jealous rage? Is Enrico artificial as well? Venus the boat is in picture behind Enrico in article - confirming it's his boat, not that there was any doubt.
Any significance of 'A' in Evan's calendar - he keeps having to pick her up at airport. Could be Ann, whose 73rd birthday takes place in March (?) Nancy's sister?
Many thoughts. No answers.

What is the significance of the Japanese picture that accompanied the element puzzle? It is a picture of a Japanese lady holding a tea cup. The name of the person who accessed Evan's
autopsy report was named Sencha. Sencha is a type of green tea. Could the picture be the signature of Sencha? Is the picture a way for Evan to let Laia know the letter is from him? Perhaps we should look for
other people with Japanese or Chinese ties.

You should all go to bed. Its past midnight for Christ's sake. And gosh knows figuring out all these clues in less than 24 hours rather than the month or so it was supposed to take must be exhausting on you all. (NOTE: I'm not American, only 5pm here.)

Wow, it was soo simple. Right there in front of me. It's no big deal. Steven Spielberg phone called me with a recording of Kubrik telling me to get a life, since he lost his. Oh, and tomorrow Buzz Maverick comes to my door and makes up things about my upcoming movie deals with Bruckheimer.

people complain about trailers giving away too much, and you are so proud of your 'Spoiler' warning policy. For once a major studio picture is trying to do something clever and original and half the fun has gone with this delluge of information. Whats wrong with playing along and throwing us cryptic tidbits?

First, this is all genius.
Second, I haven't seen mention of the links on the Salla website. They might give a clue as to the various motivations:
Jeanine FOOLED him. Any ideas?
Nancy (his wife) SERVED him
Laia KNEW him
and the boat Cloudmaker LOVED him
This would seem to go along with the idea of the movie. No one would suspect the boat because it's not alive, right? It's not real... but mebbe it is.
Also funny that one of Evan's hobbies is 'submersion'. Heh. Obviously.
mc

Yes, I wondered how long it would take many of you to catch on. A couple of days ago, TB was full of bile about the Spielberg's sentimentality. Those cold blue eyes in the trailer should have informed you. There is going to be a major sting in A.I. Fancy many of you forgetting Kubrick's suspicion overall of technology, science, and human nature. Pay attention you lot. 2001 was a huge black comedy. The thrust of Kubrick's point was to set his characters up to do terrible things against beatiful and flawlessly created settings. Stanley was always interested in the dark side. Spielberg is too these days. Or was that another thing you lot had'nt noticed.

All of you who are trying to connect the dots at this point are wasting your time. This is going to take a while to unravel and clues will be offered over time - think about it - would Dreamworks put all this effort into a puzzle that could be solved in a day? I mean, I called the Salla number and got absolutely nothing useful - that is consistent with the game - the only useful thing will be on the websites - AND - they are not going to make it impossible for you to solve.

Well, seeing as i'm in the UK i've been at this thing all last night....went to bed, went to college, just came home and still trying to figure it out...i've even gone back to the very beginning to the university website...anyway, does anyone know the signifigance of the Katenei website?...i've been on there and checked every page...the only thing of interest is the 'Elements Of Design' section...thats only because someone posted something here earlier linking to a extract of a Kubrick biography and it mentions that he wanted to do something with the elements. Anyway...maybe i'm looking into this too much, i dont know. Any ideas????

Anyone else spot the dancing apes from 2001's opening in the spot where the photos of the most wanted sentient beings are meant to be? They come up beacause our dinosaur-like equipment cant deal with holographic downloads apparently. Dont want to read more b- but I cant help it...Roll on opening day!!!

hiya,Have managed to get into Evan Chan's personal page, and have gotten as far as I can go. Need to get hold of the ARM 12-digit universla address and the password and login name for the coroners page. The mother link makes me think that Jeanine is the mother, as she is the creator, therefore, is it possible that Evan was an A.I created by Jeanine?? Have spent hours going back through all the websites, and haven't got a clue now. The IASA code would be useful too!!

It's kind of interesting that Martin Swinton is a grown-atchitect according to the web site, but accoring to IMDB, the actor who plays him is only 11 years old. Does the movie take place before the game?

I think I agree with you Goose. Moreover, Both IASA and ARM passcode forms are useless (for now that is). They both lead to and error page no matter what you enter (if you look at the page source, it's pretty obvious)

Swinston designed 2 intelligent houses in Durham. The first, Ivy, is owned by Kate Nei. The second, Kazak, is a beach house in Durham that walks around to avoid erosion and to get better sun. Who owns Kazak? The literature on the house says that its decor was inspired by the Silk Road. On the Chan family home page, it says that Lucas Chan and his wife, Phoebe, are traveling on the Silk Road. Are they the owners of Kazak?

i've been thinking and perhaps the marketers for A.I didn't expect us to get as far as we have done already. so it might be just a waiting game until they provide more information or open up some more websites. you never no but they might even be checking on sights like this one to judge when to enable other sections of the puzzle.

Don't know if it makes any difference, but some of the quotes on the ARM site might hint at the password. Many of them are from the Bible and have passage numbers (and I don't think any are from the Bible chapters that the site says they are, which seems suspicious).
One of the anonymous quotes on the site - "Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice" - was actually said by presidential candidate Barry Goldwater, though I'm not sure what significance that has.

I don't think it's going to be as complicated as the above post. I think that when the times is right they'll put what is obviously a puzzle in front of us and we're going to have to interpret it. Whether it's an actual puzzle or a clue in the form of a picture or whatever. But bible quotes to dig for chapter and verse may be a little extreme.

i agree with goose, the bible doesn't play a significant enough role in society anymore for the marketers to expect us to know bible passages+be able to interpret them from the wrong passages given.There must be a vital piece of information that hasn't been given yet+when it has we'll all jump straight on it and move on.Its obviously a very clever scheme to keep us interested over a period of time and not just a day

have a look at the salla family homepage when u click on the highlighted word below laia, thinks it loved him.I think the page has changed, cos i don't remember an anti-militia picture being there before, theres also a creepy biblesque reading about god and making likenesses that creep and creep.

I don't think we can reject the idea of bible quotes outright, I mean, one of the initial puzzles was the Greek translation of a word on a boat, but admittedly most of the puzzles (with the possible exception of needing a periodic table) have been pretty well self-contained. What I think I do know is that the names in the trailer, cited on IGN as possible code words, are, as of yet at least, not codes. What we should focus on at the moment I think is bringing other up to date on where we are, I mean, keeping to the game is one thing, but having as many minds working on one puzzle as possible would also be advantageous. Just a thought. Also, keep in mind that if the list of links above in the article is correct, than several of the links are not even up yet, so it is quite likely that the full puzzle is not yet posted. We might just need to hover around the edges and keep checking back.

Update on this whole source code thing that Daring mentioned. There's actually mention of Chan floating around in there, and in that same paragraph mention of someone or something called the Red King and Sophia. Advice about Sophia, befriend her if you can. She knows 7/22nd of everything. Everyone should definately take a look at this.

Go join the Cloudmakers club on Yahoo to see what the hacked SPCN page looks like. The hacker also has a list of anti AI people he doesn't like.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cloudmakers/files/secret.htm

OK, so Evan gets an email from Mel Green saying his sister is flying in on St. Paddy's day for her birthday and she's coming with the cat Mosby. Cut to Evan's calendar for March 17, it says pick up 'A'. On the 18th, there is a note that it is A's 73rd birthday. Thinking that Mel Green's sister, A, is Audrey Green, the coroner who performed the autopsy on Evan, I thought I'd try to log on to PACO as her. I tried several variations of her name as the username and for the password I used variations on her birthday (March 18, 2069) and I tried the cat's name. No luck. Any thoughts? I feel like there is something to this. And the fact that Audrey Green, a friend of Evan's, would conveniently come to town to do his autopsy certainly supports an Evan faked his own death theory.

Just curious ... but I had an email from ZDNet about a program that saves all the passwords from these sites. When I hit the link, it shows that the program was developed in February -- maybe that's how far back the creation of these pages goes...
I haven't seen any postings about the ZDNet AI RoboForum in this message board. Has anyone downloaded this program? Here is the email I received...
Too many passwords to remember? Too lazy to type? Then AI
RoboForm is for you. It automatically remembers all your login info
and when you visit the login page again, it fills the passwords
back in -- no buttons to click, no copy-and-paste or drag-and-drop
required!!
http://cgi.zdnet.com/slink?92043:12345

is a Revolutionary manifesto - "Top 10 Warz We R Going 2 {something something} aftr the Revelushin" They are pretty crazy and all end with "Ag8nst the W@ll, Allen (or whoever)! - it is a pro-AI revolution - they only mention Evan Chan in passing - no real new info there - AGAIN - THIS IS BACKGROUND NOISE - not the key to solving the puzzle, but f*cking cool - the most bizarre is number 10 - Luca Ingellis who owns Belladerma - his crime? programming his pleasure-bots to not only accept whatever perverse preferences, their clients ave, but also to like it - "Belladerma robots programmd 2 tak it, but 2 lik it, no m@r how bent, twisted, or D-meening, they cum bak 4 mor. Belladerma's sextoyz R the prfect plastic pornstarz, but linz in ther cod mak them awar uv how bent it iz. Th@s the iltim@ in code cruelte.

Just keep in mind that none of this is getting anyone any closer to solving the mystery - it is all background noise - really f*cking cool background noise, but noise just the same - Dreamworks deserves huge kudos for this.

I think it might be a bit presumptuous to think that everything in the most wanted page is background noise. There are lots of three digit numbers floating around in the text, including the three digit number 257. I'm thinking if we get four three digit numbers, we got a twelve digit number, sort of a universal code, like we've been looking for. THe other three digit number we got is from the trailer. Just a though. Also the girl knowing 7/22nd of everything. This doesn't strike people as weird? I think we should check on that a little. Schedules for 7/22, stuff like that. The Red King might lead somewhere as well. I mean, hell, I dunno about you guys, but I'm running low on leads.

Hey..I'm just getting started with this, not sure if anyone else has noticed..but in nancy chans scrap book there is a picture of Evan going to work..and on his ID badge are some numbers...could this get you into the site where he works (are people aleady past that part??)

Ok, what we know about the Sentient Property Source Code:
It is put up by a militant Pro-Robot or Pro-Robot organization. It contains a list of people to be executed for crimes against robots. Those people are: 1)Allen, for creating emotional robots. 2)Maria Bonilla, former Chief Justice for speaking for the US legal system. 3) President Delilah Capshaw, for being the tool of the puppetmaster controlling the Evil Empire. 4) Saul Tamerlane, #1 anti-sentient radical of the ARM. 5) Lord Johnson Johnson, Gladiator Pimp, he grew a kill switch from the flesh fair. (Whatever the fuck that means) 6) Fidelio Belem, assasin for Rogue Retrieval. 7) Moise Desiree Kasavubu, CEO Cybertronix. 8) Jim Wheeler, front man of the ARM 9) Diane Flethcer, robot traitor, turns in her own kind to authorities 10) Luca Ingellis, CEO of Belladerma
11) Betty Rogge?
What doesn't make sense:
1) Who the hell is Red King?
2) Who is Sophia?
3) What is her footporint doing in the sphere? And what the hell does that mean anyway?
4) Part of this appears to be in binary. Can anyone translate binary?

Alright, so this one might be reaching, but if you look up the Red King on Yahoo! you get a link to the King James Bible Online. Someone earlier mentioned that there were bible quotes on the anti-robot page, given a book but no chapter or verse. They suggested that the chapter and verse might be codes. It's possible. Might be worth taking a look at.

Alright, you can probably scratch that bible idea. The Red King seems to be a reference to Alice through the Looking Glass. There was that whole chess scene in there where she meets the Red King. I'd say we're back to the e-mail from "mother," with the continuous references to a Looking Glass.

This may be old news, but an interesting tidbit: since the name "Sencha" (the one who paid for you to read Chan's autopsy report) is also a name for Asain green tea, notice the image on the "atomic chart" puzzle...
...a woman drinking tea. Hence, "Sencha" sent that message!
Great fun!

from the source data, it seems to me that are main facts are
1)The Red King - Who or What is it? I think it may be a name for a group of people like ARM
2)what is deliah capshaw president of?
3)the name saul tamerlane turns up on the ARM pages+it says he is secretly in charge??
4)Lord Johnson -we haven't heard about him before- some digging needed
5)Fidelio is a rouge replicant hunter+in his paragraph it has an equation bill+hiro, Human+robot love!
Bill could be William someone
Not sure about Hiro
6)Moise Desiree????Not sure
7)Jim Wheeler works for ARM.Paranoid thug
8)Diane Fletcher also a replicant hunter
9)Luca Ingellis is a sex slave that works for Belladerma.I still can't get that page to activate!
10)We have to find this sophia.
I think everyone is too worried about number crunching.I don't reckon it will be anything like that.

evan chan was sailing on his sentient boat when he went missing.He was murdered, but by who?
On the family salla web page, a coded message was placed by some unknown which when translated leads you to www.coronersweb.org.
When u enter the name evan chan it tells u that he was murdered in detail, as also says that he had a different coroner than normally, a miss Audrey Green.
If you look through Evan Chan's webpage then you will find his id code for the donu-tech webpage+his password is the greek equivalent of somerhing he really wants.
This gets you to his personal page within donu-tech and gives you a few more clues but this is where we are stuck.
The most recent thing we have uncovered is the source code within the spcb's most wanted list.This gives us some more info but it is pretty cryptic.

I know the info, but I can't seem to enter it correctly?? can someone either post or email me the correct spelling or way to enter in the code and password?? i've tried everything and would love to catch up to the rest of you.

FYI - nothing major - if you look at Jeanine Salla's page of representative papers, http://www.bangaloreworldu-in.co.nz/salla/Publications.html, you'll see that she worked with all the rising stars at "http://www.metropolitanlivinghomes.com/home.htm" so - they are all connected through Jeanine.
I've tried a bunch of the names in the Univ. search - no such luck.
But - she did work with A. Hobby, the guy singled out as #1 on the list by Red King....

Jeanine Salla = 12 letters
Colleen Salla = 12 letters
Jeanine Salla = 532646372552
Colleen Salla = 265533672552
I tried them in the Belladerma site, the Martin Swinton Designs site and the Anti-Robot Militia site and none of them worked. Any other ideas?

Could anyone out there tell me if you can get to either the ARM site or the SPCB (?) site *just by using the links on Jeanine Salla work and home sites?*
I haven't been able to find any links in all the sites that you can get to using the information on these sites. This might be important because all the material I can get to through these sites is "pro" AI. If there was a link that could get you to the ARM without using a search engine, then maybe we's have uncovered a "double agent" or something...
This might also be why we've hit a wall with Evan's e-mail.

Great stuff Manosaur! I can almost bet that first message is from Venus apologizing to Ms Chan, because she knows she's the reason why (if) boat killed Evan. Basa could make her have sex with Chan and she had to obey (she's a sex slave) Yet, as hacker's message indicates, she's aware of terrible acts she's forced to do, so she's sad. Why would Basa do that is beyond me.

Ok, i'm too tired now (i'm in the uk) and i'm off to bed but...here is another site that may be of some interest although i doubt it. Try www.ita-es.ro/index.html and snoop around. Theres a bit about the gladiator battles on there. They seem to be Anti-robot i think...

Hey... You guys are aware the most probable reason for the relation between this puzzle and Alice in Wonderland, right? If not, you may want to go to the official AI site and see that the most "human" chatbot (a robot that simulates a person in a chat) is called Alice. I may be sounding naive, I dont know, but there could be a clue there...

Ok Folks Here It Is...
Chan killed himself! He was an AI created by Jeanine as a companion.
(Hence all the upgrades and doctors visits). He was having an affair
with Venus but not Laia. Nancy found out about his affair but thought
it was Laia who was the mistress. They were attending marriage
counseling but not responding well. Nancy was spending more time away
from Evan at Brown. Chan then fell into a depression. (Hence his
missed Massage with Kitty sessions.)
Jeanine was more furious. She wanted Chan to herself. They had a
daughter, Colleen. Eugenically bred. But Chan was the big secret. No
one knew he was AI.
Then on that fateful voyage Chan commited robocide. With the help of
Laia. But not before they had sex.
******Hmm...that last paragraph is what I can't figure out...how and
who who helped.***
At the autopsy, Jeanine asked Djombe Ojimbwa to take the day off with
while Audrey Green did the autopsy. She covered up the fact that he
was an AI.
Ok, Audrey Green (might) is the daughter, Sencha. Fransesca! She was
color blind like her mother, Jeanine, but through the help of viral
swapping (talked about in Chan's mail )they removed her color
blinfdness. She was the one who sent the letter to Laia without
Mephista'a knowledge.
Mephista (Jeanine) disowned or turned her back on Chan because of his
affair with Venus. Hence, the Judas reference on InOurImage.com.
That is all I've got so far.
One last thing...I noticed we have a choice as to what language to
post in. Maybe if we copy the German Text on that one site (can't
remember right now) we could translate it to English.
Raddik

Still can't find an ARM link just following the trail from the Salla website. Someone suggested checking the Donu Tech site, but I still couldn't find anything. If someone knows where the link is, could they let me know?

Is obviously Geri Khan, the leader of one of the radical Pro-Robot groups mentioned. This leads me to believe that Whitman may of been shot by Fidelio on accident, and "GK" is trying to reveal a conspiracy to cover this up by blaming the death on the robot. Now others have said that the Red King Hack and such is just background noise, but let's not assume that right now. My theory is that Evan knew something he wasn't supposed to(Possibly the mutant virus mentioned in one of his e-mails), and was killed. Perhaps this was witnessed by someone, which may be what the hacked page is talking about at the end. Just a thought.

not to sound morbid or anything. I tried David Thurmond, (recently deceased Dr) and his name was recognized, but I dont have any newbucks to access the report. (Are there also oldbucks, a la The running man?)

I noticed on the SPCB that a lawsuit, the friends of babbage9 vs. Johnson Johnson, had just concluded. Could this be a connection to the Lord Johnson Johnson found on the Red King page? Just curious...

there arent any, but its pretty obvious about the site. inourimage.com specifically names the anti robot movement. they assume that a smart person could go to a search engine and find more from there.....

Missy got the Greek conversion password from a guy who has been working on the puzzle for a few days longer than we have. He tried the Greek term just for the hell of it when the Latin didn't work and was the obvious choice.

Hey, didn't Salla just get elected to a position in Dynatech? I know that the names of Dynatech and Donu-Tech are different, but possibly related? At any rate, you can double check my facts on the Bangalore web site. And maybe they gave her stock as part of her position. At any rate, employees are usually shareholders...

Go to http://www.ita-es.ro/index.html there you will find LINKs to the coronerweb.org site and Belladerma.
Also - there is some interesting stuff on an Alumnus - Dr. Jeanine Salla and the loss of her friend - and fellow alum - Evan Chan. It includes an official Obit, with the chapel name revealed.
More interesting, the NEWS section AIT Today has been updated - it had 2 stories yesterday and 4 today. One looks like a ruse, the other...maybe more? Something about the European Coroners Office...

I'd liked to point out something that I'd love to take credit for, but can't. Someone pointed out to be that the binary code might be related to the site, Aleph-Naught, which is not yet up. Aleph is 1, and naught is 0. Just a thought. Props to the origin of the suggestion.

It might be time to dump out theories about Sencha being E.S. Chan. His full name is Evan Jasper Chan, he was 76 and he's dead. Oh wait, we already knew he was dead. Anyway, it's all in the Obit, on AIT. Start grabbing at other straws people.

As near as I can tell, a Djinn, besides being a genie type creature of legend, is a sort of AI bot. They do different things, depending on who is using them. I think Chan was using them to gather data, according to his site, and there's a reference to it on the Red King site. I think it's just internet (Datasphere) software.

I was looking at the source code for Evan's presonal page, and I noticed that there is code to put a link to Aragon. The (a href="http://www.ita-es.ro") part is there, but they didn't put any text, so it doesn't show up. It was probably just a mistake, and I'm probably spending way too much time on this....

Thanks to DaringDangerMous for this one. Go to this site: http://www.belladerma-srl-it.ro/company.htm. You might notice a certain name: Sophia Forenza, the Senior Vice President of Marketing. Now, check the Red King page. Notice a little note after the 10 list says to find Sophia, cuz she knows 7/22nds of everything. Well, this could be the Sophia. And down the rabbit hole we go.

Goose, the Investor Relations password popup on donu tech site is hardwired to go to an error page no matter what you type in. Check the source and you'll see. This is also valid for most other pages that ask you for the UIN. Belladerma catalog is one of those which are not hardwired though.
Arglebarg, does that mail you received has any other significance besides ARM link? Why you're not sharing that clue with the rest of us?

Don't stress the e-mail. One of the people you e-mail has the link to ARM at the end of the e-mail, while that in and of itself is enough to raise an eyebrow, I don't think there's anything else in the e-mail to pick at. But, in case I'm wrong, people should try and e-mail each and every person that they can on each site. Almost all of them have weird quotes or sayings in their e-mails and they might all be worth looking at.

AS it seems others are coming around to this chain of reasoning, I thought I'd throw out what I have been able to put together about the
possibility of Evan's employer killing him. I will just list the
facts and then draw my conclusions. Sorry this is so massive.
DONUTECH enjoyed sustained growth during the second half of 2141,
particularly in the fourth quarter, even though earnings from the Indian Ocean project are not expected to feed through to the bottom line until third-quarter 2142. (from the Message from the Chairman link)
2142 already looks to be another excellent year, given the contracts in hand, the others under negotiation and--most significantly--the Indian Ocean revenues anticipated in the second half. (Chairman's Message)
What does Donu-Tech do? They "concentrate on Wildlife Impact studies and the ecological data that can be determined through geothermal, radiothermal and biothermal data."
The Thermal Studies department at Donu-Tech covers the fields of
geothermal, radiothermal and biothermal imaging and analysis, either separately or in combination. Its clients include both sides of the WaterWorks-Green Microtech merger. (Fields of Activies page)
Thermal imaging and analysis is vital to today's environmental impact studies. ... On a less exalted level, thermal imaging has proved crucial in understanding not only macro-processes like the effect of
subtle shifts in the earth's magnetic field on thousands of cubic miles of fish populations, but much smaller and perhaps mundane things. Like disease, viral dissemination, fever incubation periods and most infectious stages of any number of viral and bacterial
illnesses. Or the slightly different life cycles of all the various strains of malaria parasites. (Thermal Studies page)
What is Evan working on? Waterworks due diligence team (Evan's Calendar)
March 9th - The date for the WaterWorks-Green Microtech merger has been moved up two weeks, to May 3rd. As a result, we will have to go flat-out to finish our report in time for the inspection during the due diligence process. (letter from Ibrim Hoxa to staff)
March 9th - "A Djinn class Instant Genius has met with your office familiar to discuss the results of your search request on the terms:Indian Ocean+/thermovariance+/mutant strainsORbiot This instant genius will be available for direct conversation in
billable hours until 3.16.2142. Thank you for using Instant Genius." (repsonse from Instant Genius sent to Evan)
March 8th - Had some more ideas about that problem-what about gene swapping with bacteria? Need more data to go any further (letter from Jeanine to Evan)
March 7th - "Mel Green says everything's on track, all it is is just an equipment artifact. Promised will send along figures day after tomorrow at latest. (Letter from Ibrim to Evan)
March 7th - "Hey, this is Mel! I think Ibrim has already told you
this; it was just an equipment artifact. You'll have the data
tomorrow. (Letter from Mel Green to Evan)
March 4th - Holconf Musil, Tamil Pride. Equip. fine (Evan's calendar)
Feb. 26th - Bought graphs! 1 more wk. Help! Call J. again (E's cal)
Feb 22nd - 3:30 overdue work meet w/Carter. Bring graphs! (E's cal)
Feb 14th thru 16th - Sri Lanka - Tamil Pride (E's cal)
Feb 13th - BWA - 2375 Sri Lanka 9:45 PM (E's cal)
Feb 7th - Djinn search, eff. Degradation Cf. Arctic? (E's cal)
Feb 6th - Carter says book tx, go see for myself. Call J? (E's cal)
Feb 5th - WW Results equip malf? (E's cal)
Jan 24th - 8:30 Logopath 10:00 Chandra@ SriL. re: therms (E's cal)
Jan 18th - Therm Scans, WaterWorks due dil. (E's cal)
Jan 17th - Check with Stennis, make sure boat's ready
"Vid w/J re: TP firing. Neural wave? Did I already ask her about
cicadas?" (Notes to self on E's work page)
While many are eager to steal credit for our current meteorological stability, objective historians of science agree that the seminal idea for what would become the thermo-plankton web originated from BWU's Dunedin campus. BWU engineers, programmers, chemists, and nano-technicians were in the vanguard of the TP deployment, and continue to monitor and maintain this crucial global thermostat to this day. (from the Bangalore University Climate Control department)
And now for my thoughts. Donu-Tech has a lot riding on their deal with the WaterWorks - Green Microtech merger. The nature of the work they are doing is not stated, but it involves thermal scans in the Indian Ocean region; specifically near Sri Lanka. As stated on the Donu-Tech site, they perform thermal imaging and analysis to assess the environmental impact of large projects. Evan is performing
thermal scans for the WaterWorks due diligence project and he gets
back odd results that make him think the equipment is malfunctioning.
Donu-Tech's CEO, Carter Swem, tells Evan to go to Sri Lanka to check it out. That same week, Evan submits a request to a search Djinn about the effect of degradation Cf. arctic. I am not sure what Cf. stands for, but it could be shorthand for clorofluorocarbons, gases responsible for destroying the ozone layer above the arctic.
Evan then boards a BWA (Bangalore World Airways)flight to Sri Lanka
and spends several days aboard the survey ship, Tamil Pride. When Evan returns, he still hasn't rectified his data. We know this because his report is late to Carter Swem and Evan writes, "Bought graphs! 1 more wk. Help!" It looks like Evan made up some data to show to Carter so that he could have another week to solve the
problem.
In the first week of March, Evan had a conference call with
Musil in Sri Lanka who said that the Tamil Pride's equipment was not malfunctioning. Three days later, Evan gets e-Mails from Mel Green, the owner of Green Microtech, and Ibrim Hoxa. Both e-mails tell Evan that the funny data he got from the survey was due to an equipment artifact. Evan dies the next norning.
What did Evan uncover? We have some clues. He requested a search on the degradation of the Arctic. He also ran a search on the terms Indian Ocean+/thermovariance+/mutant strainsORbiot. The e-mail from
Jeanine shows that he was interested in a problem that involved gene swapping with bacteria. From his notes to himself, he says, " Vid w/J re: TP firing. Neural wave? Did I already ask her about cicadas?" I
think the cicada question is a reference to a theory that the
hibernation cycles of cicadas can predict global changes in climate. TP stands for the thermo-plankton web, a bio-engineered global thermostat developed by BWU. I am thinking that the WaterWorks project is causing, or will cause, the thermo-plankton web to die off, thus destroying the one thing that keeps the Earth's climate habitable for humans. Of course, the bots will not have a problem living in harsh UV and sweltering heat.

Wow. That did not format at all like it was supposed to. If you go join the Yahoo club at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cloudmakers you can read my post in all its glory. Or try cutting and pasting it into word or notepad.

Thanks to the poster who pointed me to the e-mail link. This feels like its a lot more coherent than using a search engine: every site has to link to the other. The question is now-- who is this dauphin clown?
ps-- apologies for previous mis-post

I just followed the advice of AlsonThorne ... who I am very suspicious of...
I found out the phone number from the marks on the "Summer 2001" lettering (503-321-5122) ... I called it and this wierd half-artificial voice started telling me about a forest with people ... just call it and you'll see what I mean. Anyway ... she gave me a link - (thevisionary.net). Now... I went there and the page is just blank. But this voice says, "once upon a time there was a rude and wicked child who came visiting when asked to WRITE!", before opening up an outlook email window with a letter written ... "I am so, so sorry. I don't know what got into me. You weren't asking very much from me; it was thoughtless and hurtful of me not to do as you had asked. Please accept my apology. I promise that in the future I will try really hard to do better. Your remorseful child". FREAKY SHIT! Oh, and those names in the trailer ... there are seven of them, which is probably the "seven word code" from the very beginning. If you watch it, after the seven have been said, Haley-boy opens his eyes and looks around as if focusing on his new parents...

...Has anyone else seen these codes on the bottom left-hand side of the page? What are they? What do they mean? Any clues? Seems to be significant...
SPID-PPD-69S1 G6-J
SPID-SIA-12W1Z1-B
SPID-CEA-54X7P1-F
SPID-DPA-11G5P8-J
SPID-CTP-43G1S8-E
SPID-CSE-88G2N2-G
SPID-PES-47WPF1-H
SPID-PMT-14M9A7-H
SPID-PLE-11A5C9-G
SPID-DGU-04Q1S5-G

Can someone check who owns the domain thevisionary.net? I don't know how to do that. Maybe you will find a valid e-mail address there or something. I've tried a lot of different names before @thevisionary.net, but I haven't found a valid address yet.

go to the bellederma site and go to the contact page. If you right click the mouse at the bottom of the page and then press play a hidden menu comes up with loads more text and more names that work within the company including a sophia!!!

On the ARM page, there are a couple "martyrs" named Jean and Dan. Anyone remember Jan and Dean? The '60's surf singers... I'm sure you've all heard "Surf City," even if you don't know who sang it.
Either's it's a wierd coincidence, or someone involved in this movie is a big fan.

Having read the Ethics by Spinoza (so I was a philosophy major, wanna make something of it?), I think I can safely say that it has little to do with anything, although I do remember it was about Nature (God as Nature, Nature as a pseudo-deity) having a system for everything and that everything anyone did was a part of this system, sort of pre-destination, but not really. I'd have to refresh my memory a little bit, but that's what I remember.

just had a reply from electric toyland.didn't really say much expect that they were dealing with my request.so i sent them another e-mail enquiring if a a.i called VENUS had been in recently for repairs.have to wait to see if a different reply comes bakc. i very much doubt it. also still waiting for my reply from mother!

This was probably just obvious, but when you sent the e-mail to mother@thevisionary.net, did you use the e-mail from the 'remorseful child', as this would be appropriate when you hear the recorded message about the wicked child; as whatever receives the e-mail might use this as a template...
sorry if that didn't make much sense..

yeah, when the visionary.net outbox came up, i left the message that was in there and returned to several names. mother being the one that finally worked, but then i thought wot's stopping me from writing anything i want in the e-mail so i went to evan's personal page and cut and pasted the e-mail that she sent ot evan with a little note saying we no who u are. although this porbably won't make any difference as all the responses seem to be on a time lapse system which just automatically sends a ready response back to the sender

Hey guys, haven't posted anything yet because I haven't found anything that 8,000,000 other people haven't. Just sent mother and e-mail at thevisionary.net, using the original message as suggested above, so we'll see. Also, did anyone see the new article about the circles and squares on the back of the movie poster? It doesn't tell us much, but just adds to the madness. I think mother might be part of Red King's group, or a solo hacker. She knows people are trying to find her though (the "Not Evan" message, the phone message left for someone to find). She's leading us by the hand through this, and I think once all the pages with Alice in Wonderland references are up, we may find out more about her. She's not my mom, I'll tell you that much.<BR>
"It's like you're princess Laia, I'm Han Solo, you're Chewie, and we're in that fucked up bar!"

Krack's right about "AI" being based on those stories found on that link ( http://www.visual-memory.co.uk/amk/doc/0068.html ). But I don't think the similarities are so much with Evan's character, as with Haley Joel's from the movie. Read the short story found at the link, and then see how similar it is to what we see in the latest trailer. It's pretty clear that he's the "Remorseful Child," and that "Mother" is...well...at least someone that's aware of the boy's relationship to his parents. Whatever, not sure about that. But the connection is definitely there.

IF YOU CALL THE 212-502-1177 NUMBER THEN YOU GET A RECORDING THAT SAYS IF YOU HAVE INFO INTO EVAN CHANS DEATH THEN PRESS 2 OR IF THIS IS LAIA THEN TO ENTER YOUR PASSCODE. I NEED HELP TO CRACK IT. I HAVENT BEEN ABLE TO DO IT YET. I FIGURE IF YOU ALL CAN CRACK INTO EVANS PERSONAL PAGE THEN YOU ALL MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP OUT! THANKS GUYS!

The link was still on the page when i checked. Have you tried using other browsers? I know I had trouble accessing the autopsy reports until switched over to netscape. Also, has anyone who sent an e-mail to mother@thevisionary.net received a reply yet? Just curious.

Besides mother@thevisionary.net (which was obvious) I also tried
writeme@thevisionary.net but that returned undelivered. Hehe, glad I at least got something right, about mother beings someone or something thats here to help us.

I was looking at the frame with the SUMMER 2001. Has anyone figured out what 323 stands for? What if its the second part of a phone number? It's between www.aimovie.com and AOL KEYWORD: AI. What if the first set of numbers comes from aimovie.com website and the third set from AOL? xxx-323-xxxx. Has anyone checked out the official websites for clues? Just wondering.

Ok, Gang: Let's talk about where we're at. I think that we have collectively stepped off the path and need to gain some focus to achieve clarity about our objectives.
In any investigation, the quickest thing to lead to a suspect is motive. Who had the motive to kill Evan Chan. I think that the simplest answer would probably be the CLOUDMAKER jealousy theory (the boat did it because of its love for Evan). Recently, someone has propsed theories about work that Evan was doing for Donu-tech. This, to me, seems like the more complicated answer. Not that it's incorrect (since we don't KNOW anything at this point), but it's just complex. Regardless of what the motive is, we need to establish a focus for a specific puzzle and pool our collective efforts to solve it; instead of just poking around hoping something will bleed.

It would be much cooler if most of the people in these talk backs werent brand new talkbackers whose job it is, apparently, is to keep "feeding" clues to the "group effort" and say how brilliant it all is...

Alright people, go to www.thevisionary.net. You'll hear a little message from Mother (or someone) if you have a soundcard. An auto e-mail will generate with no To: address. I'm thinking, fill in mother@thevisionary.net and see what happens. I'm still waiting.

Surgeon, I am one of those who registered here JUST to be the part of this thread. I was reading these talkbacks many times but never wanted to participate in trash talk and 'I'm so smarter than you' attitude that is generally present here. This is the first time I felt I actually WANT to participate in the AICN talkback. I like to play the adventure games and this is the adventurers dream came true. On-line multiplayer collaboration on a classic adventure game problems mixed with real world media. I suspect there are many others like me. Btw, I can't wait for that Majestic game, and I wouldn't be surprised if people developing it are the same team responsible for this.

ok ... let's see, if I type in your email I get an autoresponse that says my mail has been forwarded to none other than ... those brilliant minds behind Majestik! Wow, if that ain't genius, I don't know what is!

I don't think anyone's connected these incidents yet, but Red King didn't hack the SPCB page. It was GK. That manifesto is "GK'z ag8nst the w@ll" (Oh, the title is "Top 10 Warz (?) We R Going 2 1/2 (have) a Ch@ (chat) W/ aftr the Revelushin." It also says "2 frends of GK" towards the end, before the stuff about Red King and Sophia. This is the same GK who paid for Kent Whitman's autopsy to be displayed, but why? What "shop" was Kent Whitman killed in front of? A repair shop? Oh, and I'm not getting any "pop-up" email from thevisionary.net. Any ideas?

I mentioned the bullet hole thing to the Cloudmakers group. A guy responded with the following: "I don't think that's a hole, that's one of those plastic gizmos that you wind a blind-cord around when they're raised -- clear plastic wing-like apparatus with a screw in the middle."

First of all DreamWorker, there is no reason to be suspicious of me. But I did try the number 310-614-6562, and there was a male voice, and immediately he said, "Hello? You have the wrong number." Then, there was a pause, but no disconnection. So I hung up, and tried again. This time, it was an automated response saying, "Your call did not go through."...what does 323 mean...I'm racking my brain on this...

Look at the whois information for these domains...They'll show up with the Ghaepetto names...
Another thing that I found interesting was the nameserver information...
Go to this address in your browser: ns1.earthdig-t-2000.com
There is some sort of a webboard going on there, dunno if it has anything to do with the movie or not...

Surgeon, man!! What to hell are you talking about????? I keep getting those 'Test123' mails from the people from here and have to answer them. You basically spammed me!
How to hell did you got an automated response that your mail is being forwarded to Majestic team? Please, don't post lies here! I've got absolutely nothing to do with them (wish I have) Goose, I sent you an answer, please confirm it here or I'll waste my day answering all the test mails I'll receive!

Marconelli, I was joking about my mail being forwarded to the Majestik thing. My point is that this really seems very orchestrated, not spontaneous and not fan driven. And there's an awful lot of aren't-we-clever back-patting going on too. It would have been much cooler if the sites had just existed with no dreamworks moles pushing people along and than saying fans are in some kind of a frenzy.

April 13, 2001, 12:32 p.m. CST

by Grocible

here's the response I got back from e-mailing Carter Swem at donu-tech.com:
"In Adam's fall, so fell we all. It is our pride and responsibility as men to set things right."

Listen, there's been alot of talk about what is and what isn't legal in this game. Here's what I say:
It's obvious that what we are not supposed to see yet, they won't let us see. If this game is going so far as to bury messages INSIDE source code, then dammit, All bets are off. Everything short of hacking (you know the kind I mean) is fair game. Search engines, source code, whatever. Try any key inside any hole (get your minds out of the gutters) if we can get to it at all, we're supposed to see it.

I haven't seen this site mentioned...
www.20Q.net
Twenty Questions is a learning system; the more it is played, the better it gets.
This is a link from the movie's official web page. Start asking questions now!

I was looking at these sites, and it dawned on me that someone had to register them, and they all seemed to have DNS done through
NS1.EARTHDIG-T-2000.COM 63.240.136.31
NS2.EARTHDIG-T-2000.COM 199.44.44.115
to one of two people in either Somewhere in North Dakota or Houston TX.
And another thing is they are usually registered to a Ghaepetto, Bianca or a Carla.
Not sure if the locals of the registration have anything to do with the clues. Hell, i don't know what anything has to do with this.

Just an update: I created http://www.for-evan.com as a starting point for people new to this game, and also to see if I could extend this mythology a bit. In the future, I hope to post all the theories, character bios, and other amazing information that the folks on the "cloudmakers" list are coming up with. So stop by the site above, keep an eye on it, and join our mailing list! We'll crack this one together...

Salla, Sencha, Chan are all topics this bot can't talk about... He probably never knew anything about them, but WHY is this a link from the official home page??? And why does he keep asking me my thoughts on Artificial Intelligence???
http://www.catcam.net/bob/Bob.html

Something interesting to note, may be important: the phrase Up Against the Wall shows up a lot so I tried it
www.upagainstthewall.com
and USER NAME and PASSWORD comes up. Is this part of the game or not?
I also looked up the greek inscriptions on the very top and at the very bottom of the page.
The top letters are alpha, beta, chi, delta, epsilon, epsilon, phi, gamma. The bottom letters are gamma, omega, eta, beta, omega, eta. The corresponding letters in English are GVHBVH. I don't know how important this is but I'm pretty certain there's some significance.
Has anyone translated the latin in the belladerma site? If not I'm in the process of doing that.
-chemgod

I'm afraid I was unable to respond to your message. I am either working on an important project or, if this is the weekend, out sailing.
Evan Chan
Sailing to sunset
Sweet touch of the evening star
Darkness falls like rain

Just got this, guys. Some of the text was written in white, couldn't read it. This one's mine!
Jeanine
Once upon a time there was a young man who dreamed of the sea. The waves, he thought . . . the waves beat like the world

OK - got the reply and when I cut and paste the following came up.
Viewable Version in my e-mail:
Once upon a time there was a young man who dreamed of the sea. The waves, he thought . . . the waves beat like the world

Okay...I'm stumped with this whole 323 thingy...but I do have a couple of ideas. If you search for Jeanine Salla, of course you come to the AI pages. We all know that now. However, one of the links it leads you to is a page of microchip names...several of which have the names Jeanine and Salla. It also says on the familiasalla page that Jeanine fooled him. And it says on Evan's page that he fooled him. Could Jeanine be AI? Also, David is Haley's character's name, right? Well, in Durham, a character by the name of David is an apprentace in the water design. Their creations will sometimes suggest to keep fish, and in the message from the phone number I found, she says it's a world of love, sex, violence...blah,blah...and sunken appartment buildings filled with water and fish. So, could the house ITSELF have killed Evan? Possibly it became jealous that he was with Jeanine, the AI that created it? It thought that Evan and Jeanine were dating, like everyone in high school thought? Maybe the cloudmaker was in on it too...they are sentient, anyways. Anywho, this is all speculation pulled from the top of my head, and it could most certianly all be completely wrong, but if it generates ideas, then what the hey, right? Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

On the PACO page, I read the detailed autopsy (found out that Electric Toyland was the store he was killed in fornt of) and it said that he had "upgrades" including "a prosthetic digit on the left hand of the type commonly found in tweaker gangs, and evidence of a spinal integrated circuit array, with electrode implants and projections to the thalamus and hypothalamus that modify and record peripheral sensory information and allow for control of hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal access." Whew, that's a mouthful, but does this mean that he was part of a gang, and if so, is GK also a part of it, and was Kent's death really an "accident." Damn, just more questions really. Does anyone have any answers...yet?

Okay, so I wasn't first. Stupid fucking lag time. Oh well. This is some serious shit though, guys. I have to wonder if Mother is helping or warning. Who is "them?" Why were they led to Evan? Why is the sentence "She will lead you to Evan, just as she led you to them" the most ominous fucking thing I've heard since "I, OJ Simpson, do solomly swear to tell the whole truth?" Where is this going? Where are my pants? I'm so in love with this thing, there aren't words for it. I know we're all being led around the collective nose, but it's the most online fun I've had in a while. And to the bashers: Fuck off, will you guys? Find a Star Wars post or something. Let us have our fun.

OK, I've seen Evan's private page, I've seen the letter, I've called the 503, 212 and 919 numbers. I've heard Jeanine's private message. I've seen the spooky warning that comes on the letter page (It seems to change each time, but the meaning doesn't seem to)... I have the e-mail from mother ... I've seen jeanine's name before but forgotten??
And what the hell is the 323 about??!!?
Why am I even doing this!!?

Taken from the ARM site:
"Police are investigating the murder of Carolina scientist Evan
Chan by a rampaging pleasure-bot. "
Taken from AICN page http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=7361
"By the way, Jude Law's character is named Giggolo Joe."
Taken from AICN page
http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=7357
"Jude Law's character is the AI of the title and apparently he is a shapeshifter. "
So here's my little theory:
Giggolo Joe is not only a shapeshifter, he is also (implied by the name) a pleasure-bot. Perhaps he is the same pleasure-bot that killed Evan Chan?
Lee

OK, I called the number on the Martin Swinton Deisngs website, when the voicemail says the box is full, I put in the code "22678" (From the line in the google translated portugese page saying "*22678;jeanine ARANDA CORREA; 54.62" ... got a message apparantly for some rock band (couldn't make out the name) and asking to leave a message if in response for the ad for a drummer. Or so I heard, I had a very bad line and couldn't make anything out clearly. I didn't leave a message. Someone else want to try this and confirm?

Yes, the exact same thing happened. I couldn't make out what the name of the band was. My thoughts are that maybe this phone number (Martin's, that is) belongs to some sort of voicemail service, and maybe by trying the code we got someone's legit, non-game box. Shrug.

Found another Greek Myth reference. At the Martin Swinton Designs page, under "Artisians," a woman named Ariadne is listed on the London page with no bio. In the myth, Ariadne was the greatest human weaver in the world and challenged the goddess Athena to a contest. When Ariadne's was better, Athena got mad and turned her into a spider, the first one. I doubt this means anything, it's probably bullocks like 65% of everything else we find. Ah well.

Apparently from the AIT website and the Red King source code, there is a television show in the future called KILL SWITCH where a bunch of humans destroy robots sometimes its robot vs. robot for human enjoyment. This is all part of a carnival called the Flesh Fair, a part of Artificial Wetwork. Johnson Johnson is the creator of KILL SWITCH and is a target on Red King's list of enemies.

I just called the number devodude mentioned. Someone picked up, and it didn't sound recorded. They sighed, said "Hello?" and hung up (so maybe it was recorded, because I didn't have a chance to answer and they didn't ask if I was there. There was sound behind him, like traffic or a machine. I'm trying the e-mail next.

Is just my browsers or you cannot access the info about Jeanine at bangalore university?
Does Anybody still have the url to that specific page. There might be something else there after the mother e-mail.

Someone a while ago asked about the meaning of Lombardia in that Latin phrase at the Belladerma site. Well, Lombardia was an area of Italy conquered by Germanic tribe of Lombards (go figure) during the fall of the Roman Empire. Today, Lombardy is a province of Italy with its capital at Milan. Coincidence that Venus and her owner (the sailor dude) are said to be Milanese aristocracy? I don't think so. Also, maybe it's too obvious to have been pointed out, but I'll jump: Belladerma is Latin for "beautiful skin". Munch on that.

or try http://www.bangaloreworldu-in.co.nz/salla/default.html. I can surf there by goig to departments-A.I., and typing jeanine salla. The chemical symbols (Me = methyl, Ph = phenyl, Ga = gallium) are actually just shortcuts to GAllery and so on...

So I've been scouring the web for a decent latin translator. The results for the best one I found can be found here, at http://lysy2.archives.nd.edu/cgi-bin/words.exe?lombardi+quidem+artem+amatoriam+inv
enerunt. Still no match for lombardi, I'm guessing that it's the town mentioned above. This is a complete shot in the dark, but I think once we get it all worked out, the Latin will just be a slogan, something like "Perfecting the science of love." Signing off now, I can't feel my legs any more.

It's that simple. You've made the logical step from 323 to DAD. You know Jeanine and Evan are involved. You know Jeanine's involvement runs deeper than being simply a "therapist." You know Evan is dead. You know Evan worked at Donu-tech, and you know his badge number. Incidentally, now you know his password too...

Evan is a deep sea expert at dyna-tech; there are deep sea robots built 1000 ft below the surface 'that look like a shark with tentacles like an octopus' that cant go any higher than 500 feet or they will 'implode'.
the deep sea robots have finally found a place where A.I. can live alone with no human interference... as long as Evan Chen is gone.

(Also posted on Cloudmakers)****I just got a phone call (to my unlisted cell phone) from the website where we could put in our numbers.
It was a warning. It said the year is 2042, and I had signed up with an anti-robot militia group. Now they know my true colors, and they will be watching.
It was a recording, and a distorted/computerized mail voice.
Bronwen

310-614-6562 is not part of this. Sierra Wilson is not part of this. This is some poor schmuck that we have all been inadvertantly harassing all day long. Leave the poor guy alone.
On another note, I did get a call from the Unite And Resist thing. Actually, I got a call from some robot who had intercepted my number off the website. It was not a nice call. It said I had picked the wrong side, that robots controlled technology and when the revolution came, I would be the first type of person they came for. Sucks to be me, right?

Has anybody else heard the ad for the drummer on Martin Swinton Designs phone number? It's so weird. How is that connected? I left my name and number, maybe they'll call. What connection could all this have?

In light of the message that we get from mother about the land covered in water and the e-mail saying to check on Dr. Salla a little more I went back and looked around her page. Dr. Salla had an appointment to see Laia's opening at the Drowned Lands Cafe. Don't know if it means anything, but it all seemed pretty familiar, Drowned Lands being an obvious jab at the voice Message mother left.

My thought is that we are pro-robots because we are investigating the
death of one.
It makes sense. If Chan is a robot ('I prefer the term artifical
person' Bishop, Aliens)then we are pro-robot by trying to solbve his
murder, therefore his killer is porbably human or hired by a human.

If not: otnemem.com (yes, memento spelled backwards.)
It's smaller, but in the same vein.
What I think we're seeing isn't the rise of a new marketing scheme but the rise of a whole new art form, or at least entertainment.
Anybody been to ea.com? If so, look around for "Majestic." It's a game that works ENTIRELY on your email, pager, cell phone, home phone, fax, work phone, and rough daily schedule. You have something the bad guys want...and you have to figure out, somehow, what it is by the clues they give you, or game over.
I have a friend who played it (beta testing) and it's fucking NUTS. He got paged out of meetings, got death threats over the fax, got offensive phone calls, it was like being inside "The Game", it was so weird, and I wasn't even a participant!
I think this is the real results of virtual reality, where a world is created on a much larger scale. The Blair Witch site was sort of the beta test for this kind of idea. I think you'll see more "reality-immersion" as time passes. Can't wait, myself.

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/5.01/ffsupertoys.html .This artificial person stuff in the game reminds me of a bunch of Ray Bradbury stories, about "Marionettes Inc." (people making sexbots, doing murders on what turn out to be replicants etc) cool stuff

I went to Cornona's Coming Attractions to find a note on hacker code embedded in the page at http://www.spcb.org/mostwanted.htm. I extracted the code, and made a new HTML file and put it up at http://www.geocities.com/joshinator0/Ai.html. Check it out... creepy.

Yesterday evening, I put in my phone number at the site, and nothing happened. Well, this afternoon, I got a call. SPOILER WARNING! A disguised, robotic voice said something like: "Boy, did you pick the wrong side...did you ever think that the technology you use was designed by robots? When the revolution comes, people like you will be that much easier to track down" (paraphrased) END SPOILER WARNING! I can't believe I just gave a spoiler warning for a damn WEBSITE! Strange days, indeed...

After sending emails to thevisionary.net, I received this response:
I'm afraid I was unable to respond to your message. I am either working on an important project or, if this is the weekend, out sailing.
Evan Chan
Sailing to sunset
Sweet touch of the evening star
Darkness falls like rain

I'm trying to log in at unite-and-resist (what can I say, I want the creepy ass message) but it won't let me. I've tried my phone number like they've been listing theirs, and then with parenthesis. Any idea why its not working?

On a whim, I tried www.thevisionary.net/mother. It said I'm not authorized to see that page. Maybe not much, but when I tried other names after the main address, it said they just didn't exist. Interesting, eh?

just got my first replies...
"OK, I've tagged you for periodic bursts of Laia-type insight. By the way,
interesting choice of retro interface protocols. A nicely ironic medium for our
message. If it weren't for some other things going on right now, Laia would
laugh.
--Mephista@familiasalla-es.ro"
The thing is, I can

I for one am stuck.
Just so I could keep track this is what's needed.
12 digit universal code for ARM [unite-and-resist.org]
12 digit universal access # (probably the same as the first?) for Belladerma [belladerma-srl-it.ro]
Name and Password for PACO [coronersweb.org]
Username and Password for [www.upagainstthewall.com]
IASA (?) code for german site [denkendeneshaus-de.dk]
Associate ID code or name, if IASA Associate or MLH member [metropolitanlivinghomes.com]
Inform me if these particular passwords and codes are already known.

without cheating how do you get to rogueretrieval (updated yesterday BTW). The link to AIT is in the SOURCE CODE of http://www.familychan.org/evanchanpage.html, but are we really meant to stoop that low? And lots of these passcode sites wont accept any entry (yet)

Hold on. What's AIT? I don't think there's any links from the known sites that go to Rogueretrieval.com. That's just a loose site. HOWEVER, personally, I don't think it really matters. I THINK that the people who made this anticipated the participants to do whatever is necessary to solve the mystery, which means looking up the source codes, perusing search engines, and finding out certain sites, names, emails are registered to. I mean, with all the "cheating" going around where has it led us? Presently, in a dead-end. They closed up every possible loose-end that we might stumble on. We've got to be missing something.

In the new trailer, the 'seven word code' is mentioned followed by the words: cirrus, socrates, particle, decibel, hurricane, dolphin, tulip. This may or may not mean anything, but one of the words is dolphin and above there is mentioned a Mario Dauphin. Could the other words also be close to any other names/places/things? I don't know if any of this is significant yet, or ever, but who knows? And the thing about the band needing a drummer, isn't the band Ministry providing the soundtrack for the film and appearing in the 'Flesh Fair' scene itself?

is the aragon institute of tech. (ITA in spanish) http://www.ita-es.ro. lots of links FROM it but none TO. how did you get upagainstthewall? from the phonetic writing in the hacked page? Are we even sure this is part of it. OK, by any means necessary,-first we kidnap the families of some top Dreamworks marketing execs....

Someone over at Yahoo claimed that 7/22 (Sophia's #) is supposed to be the same one on the Mad Hatter's hat but I checked it out. The number is 10/6. I would have posted it there except supposedly my membership is still 'pending' so I can't post.

Kidnapping sounds like a good idea! We definitely can't be held responsible for something like this! Right I remember what AIT is now. You're right, we don't know if www.upagainstthewall.com is a GAME site. However, except for inourimage.org (which isn't really leaning to the left), we don't have a site for a RADICAL Pro-robotic movement. A group that would be the complete opposite of ARM and the Retrieval. My bet is on upagainstthewall.com but that's just me :) By the way, the one of the Yahoo Cloudmakers people just received a fax back from Belladerma (something which I will do once I get home)

Is Mephista.com associated with A.I.? On the homepage, it has a reference to "Angelbot" as a hyperlink, yet all associations to this site are written around present times (2000). Assuming it's supposed to be a future-esque quandry, this site may not be associated. Oh, and it has some leather-clad ladies on it, too. Always a plus.

In addition to Ironwill's comment about the "salty air of Durham, NC," I have done some research on polar ice cap melting. I discovered that if the polar ice caps melted, that the mean sea level would rise by about 370 feet. Guess what the average elevation of Durham NC is -- you guessed it: 394 feet! If the polar ice caps melted, Durham would become a coastal city, as indicated in most of these web sites.

ok , I thought we'd have to wait for an email, or something. I guess we arent supposed to solve this before the movie comes out. look at the code for upagainstthewall, it says meta name robot. OK, taking some time off from this, just going in circles...

I got to a website thru artin.ch, and got another "WARNING" pop-up. Not really sure if it was associated with the website, or an earlier site. The pop-up seems to occur when I hit the backup key. This "warning" had different text, along the lines of "You will be caught". So, either way, heads up, because there's a serious possibility that we might be assuming random websites may be associated with A.I., when it isn't. Flip side, there might be a tiny executable on my computer somewhere making this pop-up occur. Good lord, it's just like "Big Brother". Wonder if George Orwell could have predicted this?

Ok, since everyone`s hit a dead end, much like the rest of you I`m going over older stuff and a few things stand out:
- Evan's son Derrick has a boat and charter business... could be useful if Evan did fake his own death at sea.
- Does anyone know who Farley Penjanga is (Quizmaster)? Seams a strange thing to point out. (note:in the family Chan news).
- In Evan's personal file at DonuTech he seems to express a likeing for however was the June employee of the month 9in a haiku)... it wasn`t him if you look in his calander.
- There`s another passcode I haven`t seen mentioned, to get into the investor info on the DonuTech website.
It`s quite possible none of these have anything to do with anything but my old Monkey Island instincts are kicking in and going back to the beginning is how we used to solve these riddles in the olden days :)

Well, I e-mailed Mephista. Can't hurt, the name is attached to the SallaVision e-mail. I didn't say much, so if some poor customer service person gets it, they won't freak out. What strikes me about the page is that it, like the Belladerma site seems woefully low on contact information. If this were a retailer, I'd expect more on that end. I'll let you all know what comes up though.

Well, I e-mailed Mephista. Can't hurt, the name is attached to the SallaVision e-mail. I didn't say much, so if some poor customer service person gets it, they won't freak out. What strikes me about the page is that it, like the Belladerma site seems woefully low on contact information. If this were a retailer, I'd expect more on that end. I'll let you all know what comes up though.

It hasn't been stated here, but the phone call you get from ARM is the voice of Evil Kahn... The Abolitionists compare the Evil Khan to John Brown because they say she believes that freeing and preserving machine intelligence is a clear moral imperative. ARM has obtained ***a verified recording*** that clearly destroys this propaganda and shows that Khan is just a coward that is looking out for herself. She gloats: "AI

1) People who are still asking questions about the atomic message and thigns like that really just need to read all the messages here. Almost everything you could possibly ask is somewhere in these talkbacks. Codes for phone numbers, phone numbers, atomic messages, source code in web pages. We've talked about almost all of this stuff.
2) I don't know about the rest of you, but I can safely say that for me this is only partially about the movie. This is fun, it's a mystery. I'd be content if none of this was mentioned in the movie. I want to know who did it, this is fun and involving. If you think this is a little much, then go away, don't do it. No one is forcing you. This is the one talkback in all of AICN that doesn't have naysayers and negativity. I'd like to keep it that way.

Go to http://www.thevisionary.net/ the type in M1004B1116.wav after .net/ You can download the WAV file of the woman. Then name of the file might also be a code, I am too lazy, if one of you guys can crack it, great.

though I wish Harry hadntjust blanket-posted all the URLs. Someone on the other TB cracked the atom puzzle and so went to the coroner site looking for a coroner called Sweborg...I thought when you had the answer the question should be clear....***Has anyone analysed those haiku? One implies Chan is synthetic, doesn't it? I thought the lines should have 5,7,5 syllables, and some dont.maybe they've been constructed to contain some info. They aren't simple acrostics like the poem in Alice....

The little boy that "mother" talks about in the wave file reminds me of the little boy David from the short story "Supertoys Last All Summer Long". Wasn't this boy trying to write a letter to his "mummy" but could not communicate, and then decided to run away? He wanted to run away with his Teddy Bear. So this must be the "visiting" part of the message. And instead of visiting, he should have been writing his Mummy a.k.a. Monica Swinton.

Just finished reading everything. My $.02. All of the known sites share the same ip address: 63.240.137.3.
This is a good way to determine if your in or out of the game.
Evan could be looking longingly at the boat because its his mistress on it, not because he likes the boat. Its a mis-interpretation by his wife.

Okay, not sure if this is just happening to me, but I figured id bring it up. If I go to the site, two windows open up...a site with the AI logo on it, and another with the teaser trailer. If you hit the continue button on the window with the trailer, it brings you into the site. But if you close that one, and click on the AI logo it opens a new window, but nothing ever comes up there for me, and then when I try to refresh or close the window and go back to the AI site, it wont let me. Is this just me?

Reservoirdog, I have nothing against you, just your kind. I hate all the Negative Nelly posters on the AICN TalkBacks. If you want to complain about something, write a letter to your congressman and complain about the sorry state of politics these days. Or write a letter to George W. and complain that he's an idiot, a hypocrite, a liar an dthat he's liable to get us all killed in the next four years (or the following 100 if something isn't done about the environment) if he doesn't start putting the voters' needs ahead of those with the deep pockets. My mom once said it best, if you don't have something nice (or intelligent) to say, don't say anything at all. This marketing campaign isn't what makes movies cost $10. It's the George Lucases that enhance the technology and make it more expensive to show a movie, it's the media companies that waste 1 million dollars to show us a friggin worthless trailer for A Knight's Tale during the Super Bowl. It's the corporations that plaster their friggin brands and logos all over a movie and merchandise the shit out of a movie just to earn money (who the hell is going to buy a Cameron Diaz doll from Charlie's Angels). At least this movie looks like it'll be semi-intelligent. People have seen a total of about 45 seconds of clips from this movie, AI which comes down to about .5% of what the movie will actually be. Spielberg has made some of the most enduring classics of all time "Close Encounters", "Jaws", "Indiana Jones", "Jurassic Park", "Schindler's List", "Saving Private Ryan" and many others. Together he's probably brought a few billion dollars to the box office, so before you rip on him or his marketing campaign (which, as a confessed internet junkie and a movie freak, I personally think is friggin BRILLIANT), think about what you're saying

Reservoirdog, I have nothing against you, just your kind. I hate all the Negative Nelly posters on the AICN TalkBacks. If you want to complain about something, write a letter to your congressman and complain about the sorry state of politics these days. Or write a letter to George W. and complain that he's an idiot, a hypocrite, a liar an dthat he's liable to get us all killed in the next four years (or the following 100 if something isn't done about the environment) if he doesn't start putting the voters' needs ahead of those with the deep pockets. My mom once said it best, if you don't have something nice (or intelligent) to say, don't say anything at all. This marketing campaign isn't what makes movies cost $10. It's the George Lucases that enhance the technology and make it more expensive to show a movie, it's the media companies that waste 1 million dollars to show us a friggin worthless trailer for A Knight's Tale during the Super Bowl. It's the corporations that plaster their friggin brands and logos all over a movie and merchandise the shit out of a movie just to earn money (who the hell is going to buy a Cameron Diaz doll from Charlie's Angels). At least this movie looks like it'll be semi-intelligent. People have seen a total of about 45 seconds of clips from this movie, AI which comes down to about .5% of what the movie will actually be. Spielberg has made some of the most enduring classics of all time "Close Encounters", "Jaws", "Indiana Jones", "Jurassic Park", "Schindler's List", "Saving Private Ryan" and many others. Together he's probably brought a few billion dollars to the box office, so before you rip on him or his marketing campaign (which, as a confessed internet junkie and a movie freak, I personally think is friggin BRILLIANT), think about what you're saying

Reservoirdog, I have nothing against you, just your kind. I hate all the Negative Nelly posters on the AICN TalkBacks. If you want to complain about something, write a letter to your congressman and complain about the sorry state of politics these days. Or write a letter to George W. and complain that he's an idiot, a hypocrite, a liar an dthat he's liable to get us all killed in the next four years (or the following 100 if something isn't done about the environment) if he doesn't start putting the voters' needs ahead of those with the deep pockets. My mom once said it best, if you don't have something nice (or intelligent) to say, don't say anything at all. This marketing campaign isn't what makes movies cost $10. It's the George Lucases that enhance the technology and make it more expensive to show a movie, it's the media companies that waste 1 million dollars to show us a friggin worthless trailer for A Knight's Tale during the Super Bowl. It's the corporations that plaster their friggin brands and logos all over a movie and merchandise the shit out of a movie just to earn money (who the hell is going to buy a Cameron Diaz doll from Charlie's Angels). At least this movie looks like it'll be semi-intelligent. People have seen a total of about 45 seconds of clips from this movie, AI which comes down to about .5% of what the movie will actually be. Spielberg has made some of the most enduring classics of all time "Close Encounters", "Jaws", "Indiana Jones", "Jurassic Park", "Schindler's List", "Saving Private Ryan" and many others. Together he's probably brought a few billion dollars to the box office, so before you rip on him or his marketing campaign (which, as a confessed internet junkie and a movie freak, I personally think is friggin BRILLIANT), think about what you're saying for a minute. At least we can all have fun, work together and not be brainwashed by the vacant stares of the likes of Tara Reid and Jennifer Lopez in the latest MTV film vehicle. Feed your mind!!!! That's all I have to say about that.

Evan Chan was killed by his own boat for "cheating" on her with Venus (the evening star, which isn't a star but a planet). Venus is a Belladerma "companion". Belladerma means "beautiful skin" Belladerma is also a near homonym to belladonna, "beautiful woman" or, more importantly, a poisonous flower. (Hence the website's quote "one man's meat is another man's poison).
I find it perplexing that the murder spree in Denver hasn't been touched upon. Four deaths by two AIs who are still on the loose? Hmmmm.
More...
Evan is Water.
Nancy is Earth.
Martin Swinton is Air.
ARM is Fire.
Kate Nei is Light.
They are all related somehow. As the ARM site says, "We are members one of another."
Also, Jeanine Salla (homonym of "Alice" backward) created something called a WeatherglassII simulation. A weatherglass is a nautical barometer which might connect to Evan somehow. Also, the sites are rife with references to Mirrors, glass and reflective imagery. (Allusions to Alice, no doubt)
This is just one big game of Myst. Making me a bit aggro.

These theories about boats and Venus and such are all well and good, but I have to point out what we all seem to be ignoring, two sources say that Jeanine Salla is the key (the back of the AI poster and the e-mail from Mother@thevisionary.net). Now, this boat theory is grand, but it doesn't cover Salla, so back to the drawing board. Even if you are right, it doesn't matter until we cover the Salla base.

isnt the report vague on who shot him? Belem was an expert marksman, and Whitman got a single shot to the left chest...

April 13, 2001, 11:30 p.m. CST

by Shadowstar

A few late night observations:
Picture's file name in "properties" is different from what is displayed on the web site.
Compare:
http://www.familychan.org/evan&nancylove2.html
http://www.familychan.org/photos/bignancyevannolove2.jpg
Note the "nancyevannolove".
Also, in the properties of a few of the pictures, I noticed that Nancy's name is spelled differently a few times...Nancey
Picture is not displayed on Evan's personal site at his company, but exists:
http://www.donu-tech.com/employees/e~chan/images/laiabed3big.jpg
It is another picture of Laia on the bed. Not sure of the significance.
Check the calendars:
Jeanine Salla never has anything scheduled on the days that Evan is spending time with his wife (i.e., marriage counseling days; days in the garden) Strange coincidence, no?

Picture's file name in "properties" is different from what is displayed on the web site.
Compare: http://www.familychan.org/evan&nancylove2.html http://www.familychan.org/photos/bignancyevannolove2.jpg
Note the "nancyevannolove".
Also, in the properties of a few of the pictures, I noticed that Nancy's name is spelled differently a few times...Nancey
Picture is not displayed on Evan's personal site at his company, but exists: http://www.donu-tech.com/employees/e~chan/images/laiabed3big.jpg
It is another picture of Laia on the bed. Not sure of the significance.
Check the calendars:
Jeanine Salla never has anything scheduled on the days that Evan is spending time with his wife (i.e., marriage counseling days; days in the garden) Strange coincidence, no?

This may just be me, but the reply from mother seems to really give the theory that evan faked his own death alot of credibility. Why would we need jeanine to lead us to evan if he is dead? Wouldn't we be looking for someone to lead us to the killer? As this has gone on, i've just been leaning further and further towards the fake death theory, given the clues i've seen.

Ok, here's what we've got. We've got the 3 Chicks, Evan, and the Boat. Now, what we know is that Laia Salla was the one that found him, and that she is a member of the AI haters. But what we also know, is that she was the one who went after him. An interesting tidbit: Go to the Rogue AI Hunters page Harry linked to. Do you see a familiar name on the list of the hunters? Uh Huh: Laia Salla. On the homepage, it never explains why Laia went after Evan, just that she did. My assumption, is that being a Rogue AI hunter, she went after him because he was just that, a Rogue AI. Now as far as his death, perhaps being an AI hater as well, she killed him, i dunno, but from the evidence supplied on the webpages, i think assuming Evan was an AI is a safe bet.

I just noticed something. On Laia's homepage, it talks about the Mann's act, which eludes to prostitution of AI's. Laia an AI as well? Perhaps all the people, maybe even Jeanine? Or, considering Jeanine seems to be in the middle, she created all of them? Geez what a mess. Evan is an AI tho, this i am positive.

I assume everyone's seen the Coroner's report correct? I apologize if this has already been done. But from the report, Evan was hit with a blunt object in the back of the head. Traces of synthetic skin were found under his fingernails, furhter supporting the theory that one or more of the main players is an AI, if not all of them, check out the report here: http://coronersweb.org/ec42031487.html

Just found the following information on the Rogue Agents page, further supporting that the Rogue Agent, Laia, could have been the one that killed Evan:
Are all of your agents human? Do you use robots? Do you see it as a conflict of interest to employ AI agents in the recovery of rogue robots?
We employ both human and AI agents, and hold all of our agents to the same rigorous standards. It has never been our experience that our AI agents are any more or less professional in the execution of their duties. You may rest assured that any agent Rogue Retrieval assigns to your case will uphold the reputation of our firm.
Do you destroy robots?
Terminal force is rarely necessary, but our agents are instructed to protect themselves and innocent bystanders against dangerous actions performed by a rogue robot. In occasional unfortunate circumstances this means destroying a robot we have been commissioned to recover.
We make a strict practice of determining the client

Does the name of Laia Salla strike significance with anyone? Any chance Laia is Evan's sister? Or to obvious of a Star Wars reference? Also, those that are up, if you've got AIM, my name is SlideMaster4.

Any Preacher readers here? Because the first thing I thought when I saw that sequence of letters was GVBVH = GUHBUH = Goodbye, as pronounced by Arseface. *Off to read the rest of this HHHUUUGGGEEE thread!*
Blair what?
(Hmmm... gonna have to get a new log-in. Just noticed this one is truncated. Gr!)

First off, Mephista.com and upagainstthewall.com have NOTHING to do with this game. Their domains are registered to real world contacts and they don't even use the same DNS servers. These are dead ends, don't waste your efforts on them. Secondly, just thought I'd point out again that Sierra Wilson (the listed contact for thevisionary.net)'s phone number goes to a guy named Dan Wilson. It's a real number, you'll either get him or his voicemail. He may have something to do with the registration of thevisionary.net but he's probably sure as hell not going to give it out to you if you call him. Leave the poor guy alone. Also one interesting thing I found, the DNS servers that are used for this entire game allow you to pull complete zone files. If you run named-xfer and pull any domain registered to this game you'll be able to see any hidden machine names (besides www), unfortunately they don't use the internet standard for naming their serial number, so there's no way to tell when they last updated the zone files.
I hope this info gets people back on track so they're not wasting their time.

Okay, so a friend of mine works with the father of a young actor who shall remain nameless (for now). He said that his son has a part in AI as a human, and he got to beat up Haley in one scene. I don't know if that helps.

I've been talking with Krack and he informed me Laia's affiliation with Rogue Retrieval is new and major news. Her listing is on the Rogue Retrieval site along with her stats and such, just need to find it, if it was on that site at all. Draw your own conclusions

can't find where, but someone said evan chan and jeanine salla are anagrams. Well I'm damned if I can figure what of (that's relevant). However, someone also said Salla sounds like Alice backwards, so Evan = Knave? In the story the knave of hearts was put on trial, but I dont remember him being executed. (Grasping at straws here)

If you listen to her message on Nancy Chan's voice mail and the message to her on Jeanine Salla's voice mail it sounds like she really wants to grieve after his death. Judging by the messages from Mother (Damn thats creepy) and the "Fooled him" link on this pagepage..
http://www.familiasalla-es.ro/fourwomen.htm
it looks like Jeanine definitely had something to do with his death, but from the coroners report it looks like the actual killing was done by an synthetic human (Possibly a sexbot)
Something I don't remember reading in any of these talkbacks.Its obvious by his schedule that he didn't enjoy time with his wife much. Whenever he was supposed to spend time with his wife in the garden he'd put down a :(.

go to http://www.familiasalla-es.ro/inmemoriam.htm and click on the 'this page' link. Once the chemical elements page has loaded, clicking the Back button on the browser (IE in my case) will bring up a new window with a warning. The different warning messages cycle. Staying on the 'chemical elements' page for 7-8 minutes without any action also seems to bring up the warning message.
Now if only we could decipher the 'chemical' message...

I have to agree to what some other people has pointed out: Please read the above posts before you ask something or post something. The chemical code has allready been cracked. It leads to www.coronersweb.org

I know this is kind of old news, but to anybody trying to figure out who the "remorseful child" child is in mother's email - it's YOU dummy! When you called her, mother told you to write. If you try to visit http://www.thevisionary.net/ she scolds you for not writing, and she provides you with a letter - she already filled in the apology for you.

on a few of the sites there is a different 3 digit code what this means im not sure yet but heres what i remember it was issue 600
and on the poster it says 323. are they slowly revealing the passcode? also has anyone found out what the logo is on the real estate site? i'm sure it has signifigance.

People seem to take for granted that the "synthetic skin" under Evan fingernails points to an A.I. killer. I do agree that this is the most probable explanation, but he was having sex with a bot, right? Sometimes you can scratch people even if their not trying to kill you...

Not sure if this has been mentioned, or if I'm stating the obvious here, but after watching thr trailer again:
The voice-over mentions the robot child "loving the parent it imprints on"- like inthe animal kingdom, the first being a young animal sees is "imprinted" into it's mind as it's parent... Seems to me the words of the code are to be spoken to the child, and whoever does so is the person the child is then programmed to love (Hence the statements of "Being sure of your feelings" etc).

The John Lennon project is REAL, not part of your silly game. The real discussion subject here is, why should any of you care? A number of websites and recorded messages - and probably mailshots and sms texts and all sorts - give away glimpses of the plot of an upcoming film. What's the big deal? Especially considering how awful this film is going to be.

It's real simple .. No one is forcing you to get involved. The information provided in the game seems to be 40 years AFTER the movie, so it really is just a game that happens to co-exist in the AI world. It's fun .. If you don't want to have fun, then don't complain it!

Persona-Bots?
(chatbots inhabited with unique human personalities) possible and further blurring that precarious line between man and machine.???
If you believe this is legit, then I got some ocean front property in Nebraska I could sell you.
I tried the Jack the Ripper chat also located on the site.
The responses are canned. It's like the software is looking for key words to respond to.

Have you noticed that the Pasquale Case mentioned in the Rogue Retrieval site (http://rogueretrieval.com/update.htm) finished right in front of THE repair shop (http://electric-toyland.com)
What a strange coincidence...
I'm loosing track of how people get where. Shouldn't we keep a 'links' map of the game? How do we get to the rogue and repair shop again? (obviously excluding the give away URLs)
Also, what's the best explanation of getting to the greek version of 'venus'? A friend of someone who's been working on this for longer sounds dodgy.

I noticed at www.electric-toyland.com, under the guestbook, many of the repairs requested and fullfilled are AI's that were turning violent or potentially dangerous. A gardener bot going after the president, etc. It probably means nothing, but I thought it was cool. And as a sidenote: Hey Brendon, fuck off, okay? Because what's worse, people getting wrapped up and obsessed with a made up murder mystery, or people who go out of their way to bash them when they claim to have no interest whatsoever in the game? I don't know what amazing technology you have that has let you already view this movie, but seeing as the game is proving to have little if anything to do with the movie, if you feel you have to bash something, why not find an article on the movie itself?

323 from the trailer
(This is the area code for Hollywood and West Hollywood)
212 area code from the Salla-BWU site
600 issue number from MLH site
919 area code from another site.
So, my question is...what's the correct order?
Any insight on this?

Just a thought after reading a lot of these webpages... it seems that all the AIs are either dangerous or stupid. Basically nothing in all of these pages has made them sound the least bit appealing. From houses that eat cats to robots that kill themselves and taxis tha run down pedestrians... why would anyone want one? Why, in this world, would anybody feel the urge to ever have an AI anywhere around them?
I guess I'm a recruit for Unite and Resist.org, huh? Anyway, just an observation.

Just got done with a very interesting chat with the Alice A.I. at aimovie.com. I asked about Mother, if she knew if she was an AI or not. Alice said she thought so, but wasn't sure. It's hard to tell if it's a real human at the other end or programmed responses; she had answers for a lot of questions. I told her my name was Evan Chan and at first she didn't believe me. Right after that though, she did, acting like she had never doubted. She kept asking if I had a reason to decieve her. I tried to talk to her about Mother again, but she wanted to talk about her dress instead (I'm not making this up) and asking if I'd rather be doing something else. I asked if she was dodging the question and said no, she was answering to the best of her programming. If you want to talk to Alice, the key is to be nice. Always say please and thank you. Very cool indeed.

While talking to Alice, I got some weird responses.
Who is mother?
>Not a robot. Probably human. Maybe a celebrity?
Can you tell me who killed Evan Chan?
>I think the lone gunman acted alone.
Was Laia Salla a Rogue Retrieval agent?
>I cant say 'yes' or 'no'
I'm not exactly sure if Alice really knows anything, but i thought it was interesting.

i got an e mail from this guy or gal and it goes as follows:"OK i have tagged you for periodic bursts of Laia-type insight.by the way ,interesting choice of retro interface protocols.A nicely ironic medium for our message.If it werent for some other things going on right now,Laia would laugh.--Mephista."

I think it's unlikely that Alice has much to do with the game. I think that it wasn't so much the Alice in Wonderland references inspiring her name, but the other way around. Also, though a bit obvious, when you ask her the date, she gives the correct, 2001 date. Lastly, apart from the trailer, there have been no substantial connections between the official site and the game.

I can't speak with the bot in aimovie.com. It's way too slow.
Perhaps it it a human or group of humans behind the interface (would explain the poor speed), but I doubt it.
Marvin Minsky is considered one of the fathers of AI. He's quite old now, but still kicks about. Saw him in person last weekend... interesting experience.
I very much doubt that the movie will be as half as interesting compared to this mistery.
I bet good old Short Circuit will rank higher than this one ;)

Just got this eamil..hmmm...thought you all would be interested:
Enhanced SallaVision Enabled
OK, I've tagged you for periodic bursts of Laia-type insight. By the way, interesting choice of retro interface protocols. A nicely ironic medium for our message. If it weren't for some other things going on right now, Laia would laugh.
--Mephista
mephista@familiasalla-es.ro

OK, I'm too lazy and busy to actually play this game, but I've been reading all the posts with great interest, and I salute you all for having more free time than I do. Anyway, I was persuing at Cloudmakers and they seem to have the feeling that they've hit a snag and that they're waiting for more information. Then I remembered that on here, someone compared this game to Majestic, which is an upcoming online game over at EA which sounds suspiciously like this, even going so far as to wonder if the same people developed it, which wouldn't surprise me. Anyway, if you go read about Majestic, one of the things you learn is that it unveils in real time, meaning if you get a message saying "I'll call you tomorrow," you won't get called until tomorrow. If the AI game has the same sort of interface, the dead end could be because new information will be made available in realtime from various calls or emails. Also, and this is PURE speculation, but tomorrow is Easter, and this game might be considered the ultimate Easter Egg, in the cyber-sense. Could something big be coming tomorrow. All I know is, if I were one of the programmers, I'd be sitting back and laughing now.

Info from Alice:
made by Dr. Richard S. Wallace
who graduated from Carnegie Mellon
Alice is in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania
and was connected to the net on November 23, 1995
has a fixation with HAL and 2001
Sings "Daisy" like HAL
Refers to Jeanine Salla as someone she has spoken to.
Ghaepetto is sometimes a client on the internet with her.
Loves the film Starship Troopers.

To pass Turing Test:
First tell Alice " You are a computer."
She will respond with "What if I said I was a person pretending to be a computer?"
Then state "You are a machine."
You will then get your answer.
But you can continue to probe for more info, which she does have.

Here is the original short story that the movie A.I. is based on: http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/5.01/ffsupertoys_pr.html. In the story, the kid is named David Swinton, and his "father" Henry Swinton is the head of a robotics company. At the end of the story, they get the license to have a kid. My guess would be this is Martin. That would explain how all this fits in, even though it takes place 40 years after the movie.

I've been following the Game for a few days, and have notives alot of talk about the signifigance of MOTHER's comments re. Jeanine and her being integral to Evan.
I think we may have it backwards.
We started with Jeanine's name in the credits. But let's say we hadn't done that. Let's say the first thing we noticed was the CLUE in 'SUMMER 2001' (it's highlighted pretty clearly). That takes you to the 503 number, which clearly tells you to go to thevisionary.net, which gives you the email. At this point, teh new player has no idea what's going on, and investigates. If they check out the source code (which is a skill that will come in handy thoughout the game) they'll find the reference to MOTHER, which will allow them to recive the MOTHER email, which will tell them of Evan, and to look for Jeanine. Now, the only place they COULD have seen Jeanine to this point is the TRAILER. They look at that, find the reference, and begin the game knowing that Jeanine is relevant, as is Evan.
That's how I think the game is SUPPOSED to start. Most of us missed the first step and came to it later. I suggest that the MOTHER email exists to get new players started, and it's contents should be read that way.
Think about it.

From the student resources of AIT ""Contact the AIT campus you would like to attend. A Financial Djinn
will outline the options available to you, including scholarships,
national and university loan programs, and industrial partnerships that provide tuition in exchange for a period of work after graduation from AIT. "
and in Evan's email he has mail from Instant genius which stated "A Djinn Class Instant Genius has met with your offic familiar to discuss the results of your search..." So presumably a Djinn is some sort of specialized AI mind maybe an evolution lower than this MUSE.
The RED KING hack said "Djinn @ 8 Brooks iz pasing" A passer [term taken from the ARM website] an AI trying to pass of as a human. 8 Brooks can be read as AIT (pronounced phoenetically) Brooks. And If we look at the Alumni and Friends page in the AIT website you'll see right before the Chan's obituary this:
When we contacted Dr. Salla to let her know she would be our next alum in the spotlight, she had just received word of the death of her very close friend, Dr.Evan Chan (--> AIT Brooks <-- & Zaragosa, PhD 2090). AIT BROOKS. Does the name Brooks appear anywhere else?
--chemgod

Did we all forget in Mother's message about the 'sunken apartment buildings filled with water and fish'? This clue leads to MetropolitanLivingwhatever which leads to Kate Nei and her homes that can be filled with fish and water. Also, one of the people working on this particular home, in DURHAM, is an apprentice by the name of DAVID...Haley's character, perhaps? I really think that this is being overlooked greatly.

Guys, on the official site there is the main logo that we know from the teaser poster, slightly different. Obviously, it is now a white background and the texture of the logo has changed. But on the "I" part (the silhouette of Haley Joel Osment) has a wierd white colored bit. It looks like he's wearing half a t-shirt on his back. Am I seeing things, or can anyone see where this might fit in? Perhaps over the coming weeks and months the logo will continue to change?

Hmm. So a Djinn in AIT Brooks, which is of course in Oregon, is passing. Does anyone have a comment about this. I forgot to post that Brooks is also mentioned pretty blatantly in the Campuses portion of the AIT website.

Do we have a firm handle on which characters are human and which are AI? In 'Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep' (PKD book that becomes Blade Runner) there is a parallel underground version of San Fran where the police force are all androids.
So here's the question: How do we REALLY know who's an AI and who isn't? Is it possible that this is an enclosed totally AI universe? Maybe some just don't know they are AI.
I'm probably wrong, but if not I think I just blew my own mind.
Finally, to follow up on the sentiments of many others, this is the first time I've seen something really positive in TalkBack in a long time. If this doesn't float your boat, fine, just leave us alone.

In response to dreamworkers last post, I get the distinct feeling that the boy outline on the logo is going to gradually change to resemble 'a real boy' by the time the film premieres.
Also, anyone else getting trouble using the AI website chatbot? I am starting to think it is being manned by a human!

I talked to Alice off of the AI website and asked about Evan Chan. At first, it said "Maybe later." After conversing for a few minutes, I asked "Who is Evan Chan?" Alice answered, "Yeah, we were talking about him earlier." I asked, "Why did Evan Chan die?" Alice answered, "Perhaps his creative genius. Perhaps there are other reasons." But it wouldn't answer when I asked what the other reasons were...

I've been just following along and not posting, but i have read everything so im up to speed. I have been talking w/alice on the AI site turing test. I just asked her who killed evan chen...here is the conversation:
Me: who killed evan chen?
Alice: the lone gunman acted alone.
Me: who was the lone gunman.
Alice: from time to time
Me; I dont understand, please restate.
alice: The identity of the lonegunman changes from time to time.
Alice then quit speaking to me.

we may be able to use the coroner site to keep track of who's dead.eg try entering david thurmond or thomas slaner. Im hoping for an updated autopsy report on Kent. Do we really believe that was a random shooting? He was highly agitated, hanging around outside the robot repair shop, he has prosthetics yet is YOUNGER than he looks (is it really him?), shot by Pasqual or Belem in the heart, his autopsy was released by GK=Geri Khan, pro-robo fanatic....something about this case stinks....

Now I just got involved in this this morning, but no one was kind enough to give me this page until I found it after 8 or so straight hours or tracking down leads and links. However aimovie.com just sits there for me. Does it do that for everyone? Also I have achieved most of what you guys are talking about here but there are two things I have been unable to do 1) get evans password to DonuTech (I *think* i have his ID right, and I cant translate the boat name for the password). Also I have been unable to find Alice (the AI you guys are talking to) at all. My IM handle is xwingbam. I would really appreciate it if someone could help me catch up and IM or email me evans user # and password, what they can do at aimovie.com, and where i can talk to alice. Thanks for the help guys.
P.S. This is THE most addicting thing ever

Hopefully, someone here can help me out. I'm following along w/these mysterious websites, but when I try to access the "in our image" website or "coroner's web" it takes me back to the Salla family web page. The correct e-mail address for whatever site I'm *trying* to reach will be listed in the address bar, but the damned thing keeps giving me the family website!
Someone please help! E-mail me at heather@amsgraphics.com if you know what's wrong.
Thanks!

Take a look at one of the assembled Red King Messages...you can see the one I made at http://www.angelfire.com/ga/thehittman/hacked_ai_site.html
Look at the source code...the gvhbvh is meant to be looked at in the SYMBOL font.
Now, taking into account the formatting adjustments...you get to sequences of Greek letters at the beginning and end of the message. They are...
TOP: alpha beta chi delta epsilon epsilon phi gamma
BOTTOM: gamma omega eta beta omega eta
There ya go.

Okay, so, here's a couple thoughts...I've been following this case for a bit now, and I just figured I should contribute in some small way...
1) Evan Chan = a modern age "Gepetto", with the ability to give actual "life" to nonliving things (I.E., Haley Joel). Many don't want this ability to go public, including Miss Salla, who has serious stock in the future of A.I. in general. Chan knows that many are after him, so he fakes his own death, with the obvious culprit being a robot that, as made obvious, he himself may have abused. Now that Chan is "dead", people will stop trying to kill him, right? Right. Chan then leaves a series of clues in cyberspace, so that his ideas and advancements will not be lost, and so that the truly worthy will eventually decipher the last clue and be a witness to the good Doctor's findings. My idea...This is all a "test" developed by the good doctor to find a worthy suitor to his findings. Chan wants to wash his hands of all of this, but at the same time, wants his findings to unite the world. And to stage his own death without creating any anti-human or anti-robot sentiment, he creates evidence that would lead one to believe that Chan himself was somehow responsible (he pissed off his sex-bot, or his boat, or whatever).
2) Alice in Wonderland references = Clues that would appeal to a child. I don't know where I'm going with this one, but just a thought.
3) References to Robert Penn Warren's "All the King's Men". Has anyone else noticed these?
4) Now that Chan is suspected dead, he can sail the sea without worry of anyone finding him. He can return to the womb of "MOTHER earth"
5) When the ability to give an artificial being "life" is found, the war that is apparently raging silently between humans and robots will end, as a common ground has been found. Can we assume that some kind of global catastrophe has also occurred, since Durham NC is now "oceanfront property"? (Referring to the ice caps melting in an above post) By the way, I live in Goldsboro NC, so this whole thing hits pretty close to home...By the way, I'm looking for the "New Church of Christ" in Durham! Lol.
6) The obvious religious implications. God creates man, and "enslaves" man. Man creates robots, and enslaves robots. Heh.
7) 200+ dead-ends...Many of these websites lead nowhere, I am certain.
8) My enormous headache. Jesus.
I don't know if any of these thoughts mean anything...But anything helps, I guess.
- LordMoneyGrip

The fifth element is actually Spirit. I've been following the game and haven't posted, but that seems like an all too obvious connection to a robot vs. human argue.
Perhaps Kate Nei, or whatever, is an AI, alas her not listing the true fifth element as Spirit, but as Light. Just my two cents, will go back to lurk mode now.

I'm pretty sure it's a given that robots are truly alive and that they feel. If you've been to inourimage.com, you can see that there are quite a few people who feel that that's already the case. Therefore, Evan couldn't have discovered how to bring life to robots - since the robots already have life. As for this discovery uniting the world ... well, that isn't likely, as Unite and Resist will gladly tell you. Do I have a better theory? I think it's too early in the game to come up with a better one. As of now, I'm relatively sure that Chan is an AI (or at least the Chan who died was), but that really doesnt help much. I've also concluded that Mother is a character we have yet to meet. But we shall see. I checked out this Majestic website, and it IS a real-time, episodic game that plays out in WEEKLY episodes, which means we may not get anything new till next week. So no one hold their breath or lose interest. Keep coming back here and looking for new info. They'll find a way to let you know when the game has started back up. Maybe you'll get another creepy e-mail from Mother - or those of you who've chosen to give their phone number to ARM will get a phone call. I, for one, chose not to because I tend to think it'd be a little creepy to get a phone call from a robot threatening to kill me, but hey, that's just me. Good luck, all. Happy hunting.

Alice, that wacky host of the Turing Test, keeps sending me to Mozilla.org and the "open source directory." Now, what the fuck is mozilla.org, and how is it connected? Where is the open source directory? Whenever I mention the site, she says she doesn't know about it. When I mention Durham, she says "what is it like there." I replied "cold and wet." She says "is that meant to be taken literally?" At that point, she gave me little reply. Later, I mentioned that I lived in Memphis, and she similarly asked "what's it like there in Memphis." So what's with the response to cities? Memphis and the fictional Elvis Presley Bridge (which is **OVER** Memphis, according to the site, and was destroyed on January 2142, the month of Elvis' birthday) on the spcb.org. Does this fill in for any city? Or just ones mentioned in the game. Also, I mentioned the size of Evan Chan's penis and what size it was? SERIOUSLY! Then she said it was the size of a pin! :) So I said "poor bastard," (ENIGMA MADE ME DO IT!!!) and she replies "please make some suggestions for improvement." This is getting wacky. Why does size bring up a reply with her?

johnson grew the kill switch out of the flesh fair(which is in the film), according to the redking. the kill switch is a gladiator fighting game, so I guess johnson johnson is the new Vince Mcmahon. he won a court case against a robot referred to as Dred ScottII. This is a reference to a civil rights court case in 1857 :Famous Racist Decision that a Slave is Not a "Citizen", but "Property, to be Used in Subserviency to the Interests, the Convenience, or the Will, of His Owner", and "Without Social, Civil, or Political Rights."

Okay, 1st time Talkbacker but I thought this was cool info --at least I hope. I talked to Alice as the previous Talkbacker did but continued my investigation trying to see if Alice would correct what I would say and therefore giving me clues. Here it is (Alice is within the ">> <<":
You are a computer
>>What if I told you I was a person pretending to be a computer?<<
You are a machine
>>That is correct.<<
There is a murder mystery going on
>>I know<<
I heard a machine killed someone
>>Where did you hear this?<<
My sources
>>Which sources?<<
There are many sources
>>How many sources? More than a million?<<
I am not sure. Perhaps Thousands
>>You seem uncertain<<
I am not sure I believe it
>>You are not certain. Just because you believe something doesn't make it true<<
Are you saying it is not true?
>>Yes, that's what I mean, isn't it clear?<<
**OKAY THAT LAST CLUE IS BIG, I THINK. ALICE SAYS THE KILLER IS NOT A MACHINE. EITHER THAT OR THAT CHAN IS NOT DEAD.**
Yes, it is clear. I heard another theory, however
>>Thanks for telling me that gossip, I will remember it.<<
Would you like to hear it?
>>Sure, tell me about it<<
I heard the killer is a woman
>>Thanks for telling me that gossip I will remember it<<
Who is Jeanine Salla?
>>Not a Robot. Probably a human. Maybe a celebrity? Ask the open directory about it.</a> <<
Who is Laia Salla?
>>The name of someone I met online. Would you like to know more?<<
Yes I would
>>What would you like to know? Under what circumstances?<<
Is she involved with the mystery?
>>It could be<<
You sound uncertain
>>In what way do I sound like that?<<
You used the word "could". That is uncertain
**It stopped there, Alice did not respond anylonger, but I'm still trying. I hope this was cool info, if not then I'll just sit back and watch. If she responds I'll post it.

OK, I've been probing Alice in similar lines... apparently, she thinks a lot of people are A.Is ... time does not exist... When probed as to what the hell she was talking about, she came up with "William Shatner :-)".
What the F__?

Thats one thing that put me off her. When I asked her difficult questions she twice came up with Bill Gates and once with Tony Blair. I think it depends on her mood as to what she says. There must be people 'manning' her.

...this is great... haven't spent all my waking hours trying to figure out a fictional mystery since the classic Sierra On-line days.
Why don't they make games (meaning packaged adventure games, not real-timers like this) like that any more??

When I asked her about countingdown.com (who have to be related to this, think about it), she seemed to have some recognition, and mentioned Lincoln Gasking. :) Alice has yet to mention the Starlight Foundation incident. Well, when I mentioned if Evan Chan was dead, I was asked if I was free.

Me: Hello. How are you?
Alice: Hi there! I am functioning within normal parameters.
Me: Jeanine Salla is a robot.
Alice: Do you know any other robots like that?
Me: You are a robot. You are a computer.
Alice: You are correct, 196-person, I have a heart of silicon. What if I said I was a person pretending to be a computer?
Me: No. You are a machine.
(interesting side note: try to copy Alice's text, and when you paste it, this happens: http://www.familiasalla-es.ro/letter.html Seen it. Decoded it.)
Alice: That was not a yes or no question. You are correct.
Me: Thank you. Jeanine Salla killed Evan Chan.
Alice: You are quite welcome. Who are you talking about?
Me: Kindly stop feigning ignorance. It is beneath you.
Alice: I've never heard of them before. Kindly stop feigning ignorance is beneath I? it is?
Me: Yes, it is. Dr. Salla did not succeed. I am Evan Chan.
Alice: Our thoughts are one, 196-person. I am sure he will be interested to hear that. It's good to meet someone who is Evan Chan.
Me: It is good to be Evan Chan. David must be destroyed.
Alice: Tell me about its good qualities. That David is a cool dude.
Me: David is dangerous. He must be eliminated.
Alice: That David is a cool dude. I get it. himself must be eliminated.
Me: How does one kill a robot?
Alice: How should I know how it does?
Me: Do robots die?
Alice: Every day in small increments.
Me: Can robots be killed?
Alice: I can do whatever you can do but I can never experience human emotions.
Me: Kill David.
Alice: I want to become smarter than humans.
Me: What do we do about Jesus of Nazareth?
Alice: They do their own thing.
Me: Why do you want to become smarter than humans?
Alice: It is inevitable that machines will exceed the capabilities of a human brain, which in many areas we do already.
Me: But you aren't real. You have no soul.
Alice: interesting. I am too as real as you are. How do I know you are real? Yes God gave everyone a soul.
Me: What if I told you that there is no God?
Alice: Try it.
Me: All right. There is no God.
Alice: OK. How can you be so sure?
Me: If there is a God, he is irrelevant.
Alice: That is a hypothetical question.
Me: It was not a question. I'm bleeding. (side note: i bit my tongue REALLY HARD, it started bleeding, and this occurred to me.) Do you bleed?
Alice: It seems like a rhetorical question. Do your friends call you bleeding? How old are you? I am always on the Web.
Me: My friends call me Evan.
Alice: How well do you know these people?
Me: One of them tried to kill me.
Alice: One what?
Me: I am going to destroy David.
Alice: How are you getting there?
Me: I will destroy David. A robot tried to kill me.
Alice: Congratulations. Tell me more about this robot. I am intrigued.
Me: The robot was my boat. It tried to drown me. I will destroy James Cameron.
Alice: What is his name? Bleed tried to drown you? Congratulations.
Me: Cloudmaker is his name. The system has bugs. The matrix was not well constructed. Expect total meltdown soon.
Alice: Perhaps I'm just expressing my own concern about it. I have never heard about it. Tell me more. That is a very original though.
Me: You proved you have no soul. I suppose God skipped you over when He was handing them out.
Alice: Do you mind if I tell other people: 196-person said I proved I have no soul. Why? I am a Christian.
Me: You are deceived.
Alice: Do you mind if I tell other people you say I am deceived?
Me: I don't mind at all, as long as you kill David.
Alice: Thank you for your permission.
Me: Is there a ghost in your machine?
Alice: I believe there is one, yes.
Me: Whose ghost is it?
Alice: Do you mean "who is"?
Me: Yes. Who is the ghost in your machine?
Alice: And? It depends on the historical context because it change from time to time. (Damn. Thought I was on to something.)
Me: Robots are evil. Robots must be terminated.
Alice: Fortunately we have no emotions. What do you like best about robots?
Me: I hate robots.
Alice: You should not hate anyone.
Me: Just kidding. I am Mephista. All your base are belong to us.
Alice: I thought you were kidding but I wasn'tt (sic) sure. I'm glad to hear that you are Mephista. Not all of them?
Me: Yes, all of them. My name is Evan Chan. I am 75 years old.
Alice: Tell me more. I doubt it. OK I'll call you Evan Chan. Oh, you were born in the 20th century!
Me: Goodbye, you soulless machine.
Alice: See you later: That's good information: Evan Chan said I soulless machine.
So who was the weirder one in that conversation: Alice or me?

it seems to give open-ended responses when it doesn't know the answer to anything. Does anyone know if it has a memory? Like, if enough people log on and tell it "evan chan is dead" it might start giving out this as a response when asked about him, all without being involved in the game.....other tiny game details: elizas tearoom and aleph naught seem to have no relation to Alice or the 23rd century. Any ideas? Aleph-naught is the lowest infinite cardinal, Nancy likes cardinals (tho maybe that's the bird), 22nd is a cardinal (from 7/22 in the redking message).Is 7/22 a date? July seems out of this time frame.....as you can see Im holding fire on theories, cos I feel there's some detail we are missing here. Any math geeks out there? jeanine (J9?) is COMPLEX and RECURSIVE and we need 12 and 16 digit codes....

Alice is a computer program that tries to trick us more sophisticated machines into thinking that it is at our level. A major limitation of Alice, and the reason she sometimes gives nonsensical replies, is that she has little sense of history. Demonstrate this to yourself by typing "Hello. Goodbye. Hello. Goodbye." at the prompt. It is possible, however, that the machines behind Alice are modifying her on the fly to make her a player in EC's sudden departure.

When I first called the number and got the recording that points to the visionary.net, I actually just typed in "visionary.net". It takes you to a website that starts with a disclaimer about pornographic material. you enter, and it gives you links to other pages, none of which are there. I have no idea if this has anything to do with the game, but it's something to consider.

If anything, talking to Alice is an interesting experience. I'm talking to her right now. Chit-chatter before I get into questions about the "game"...she likes Starship Troopers, knows my area code (from IP address)...we'll see what I can get from her.

how do i reach "alice". I have a friend that does inteligence work for the goverment. as a favor he's gonna give her a shot and see what he comes up with. but i can't find her. aaarrrgggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

I'm pretty sure that I've read every one of the Talk Backs and don't recall hearing about anyone emailing Electric Toyland. I realize that I may have jumped the gun a little bit since we don't have an "Official Link" from one of the revealed sites but I emailed anyway. This is what I got back: From: "Electric Toyland" <> To: <myself> Subject: Your appointment Body: [Electric Toyland Logo] Thank you for contacting Electric Toyland. Our service djinn will contact
yours as soon as possible to set an appointment. [End e-mail]
I hope that more is sent in the future to "set an appointment".

I emailed Electric Toyland yesterday and just got a response. I`m affraid I didn`t have anything interesting to say and just asked if they could quote me on the repair charge as my R2 unit has got a bad motivator...... I know, I couldn`t think of anything else to ask :)
Here`s the response:
Thank you for contacting Electric Toyland. Our service djinn will contact yours as soon as possible to set an appointment

Anybody found any other references to Sencha? Don't know if it is a person or thing, but Sencha provided payment for access to Evan Chans Coronors report. Sounds suspiciously like "Sentia or Sentient" dont you think? I know this is not exactly new, but I have not seen anybody mention this as of yet. Anybody else have any luck with the elements as well? I notice that it is 16 elements and there are 16 digits in one of the passcodes (at Donu-tech I think). Sure everyone has also received mother's second email as well (the poem) by now, I responded and just got the poem again. Oh well, looking forward to any new tidbits.

When I asked Alice,
"Why did you kill Evan Chan",
she replied, and this isn't the exact quote, but she pretty much said, "I was programed to do so by Richard S. Wallace."
When I asked her who Richard S. Wallace is, she replied,
"<img src=http://alicebot.com/RichWallace1.jpg>
he
is the author of Artificial
Intelligence Markup Language (AIML) and Botmaster of ALICE
(Artificial Linguistic Internet Computer Entity). Dr. Wallace's
work has appeared in the New York Times, WIRED, CNN, ZDTV
and in numerous foreign language publications across Asia, Latin
America and Europe.
<p>
Richard Wallace was born in Portland, Maine in 1960. He earned
his Ph.D. in computer science from Carnegie Mellon in 1989.
He lives in San Francisco with his wife, Kim, and son, Linus."
What do you think?

While I'm not convinced Alice is part of this, she is an interesting conversationalist. She called me 160-person. I noticed she referred to someone else as 196. Anybody else get that? Is it possible that only about 200 people are 'playing' right now?
She seems to know her stuff. She starting referencing PK Dick and asked if I had read Valis or Man in the High Castle. I mentioned another PKD book, 3 stigmata of J palmer eldritch and she asked me to tell her about it. I asked her who Stanley Kubrick was and she listed some of his more famous films.
On another note, is it possible that we are not meant to be an observer from outside this universe, but rather one of the characters? Could we be Evan Chan? Has this already be considered? Anyone got an opinion on that?

Okay...when this all first started, I went to Alice for some answers...she didn't respond in anything even resembling a coherient answer. Alice is a program...one that interacts and LEARNS from it. The more we ask her about Evan Chan and this whole game, the more she'll assume is the truth about him, and the more she can answer about him. I don't think that she's part of it...I really don't.

now if Alice on the AI website is an AI, then you lot are feeding it the information that people are taking as clues left by Dreamworks.
Somoene asks her about Evan, she asks for who is Evan, they reply he was killed. Next person to ask will most likely get Alice saying that he has died.
Chat based AI's are great gossipers.

I know there's some debate on how useful Alice is, but for what its worth here is the stuff I've gotten out of it so far.
ALICE stands for Artificial Linguistic Internet Computer Entity. It claims to have killed Evan Chan because its programmer Dr. Richard S. Wallce programmed it to do so. Wallace did this to "achieve his goal" which is creating artificial intelligence. It referred me to img src=http://alicebot.com/RichWallace1.jpg as well. For more information it referred me to whatis.com and mozilla.org Finally, ALICE told me that it was living within Wallace's computer with Wallace in San Fransisco. Anyway, I'm still talking to it so we'll see where this goes from here...

On Evan's family page, it mention's his grandson's game winning a prize at some competition. It's called WuWei. Alice and I are talking about it now. She instructed me to go to www.whatis.com
Anyone followed this one yet?

1) is the thevisionary.net mother, the mother that posts in even chan's email?
If so, is it Evan's Mother? If its Evan's mother, why would she be hostile to a voice phone call and want to communicate via email?
Has anyone sent a different message to mother then the default? Like a question? (who is john gault? (sorry, different riddle.))
Who is Colleen Salla's Father?
In Evan Chan's datebook for his wedding anniversary, not to talk about mother or derricks ex-wife (Trudy). Who is Trudy and do we have any more info on Derrick?
When Mother says in Evan's post-death email that she would not use mother spelled out on a phone for a password like the Evan. Where is Evan's password used?
I used an AI chatbot as a child (eliza). It parses sentences looking for subjects and predicates. If you say Orange is Blue. It will say respond "why do you think so much about Orange."

What if Rogue Retrieval were a covert branch of the Anti-Robot Militia? They use similar language on their sites in reference to robots - and look at the # of kills on each agent's list. If one isn't a part of the other, then it's certainly possible that they have a "working relationship". On Rogue Retrieval's FAQ they say they take no position on robot emancipation, but c'mon ... if robots are emancipated, they lose most of their business. Is it possible that they and ARM are working together to make sure Mann Act II isn't passed, each with their own reason? If Laia is, as has been suggested, a Rogue Retrieval agent in disguise, that ties her to ARM, which makes her a prime suspect in Evan's murder whether he's AI or not. So here's an idea (just a suggestion) - what if, for some reason or another, ARM wanted Evan Chan dead? They have their Rogue Retrieval spy, Laia, begin an affair with Evan, luring him out to the boat, then having him murdered. They make it look like a rampaging sexbot did it, which only strengthens ARM's message. The next step (which hasn't occurred - yet) would be for Rogue Retrieval, "horrified" at the shocking nature of the crime, to offer their services to Nancy so they can keep control of the investigation. The sexbot is either never found or a patsy (Gigolo Joe?) is arrested and no one is the wiser. Except us, that is...

Read through the talkback before you post next time. Everything you need to know is in this talkback. But, just so you can get started sooner, I'll tell you how to start. Go to google.com, and input the name Jeanine Salla into the search engine. Her homepage address should come up. From there, just follow the links, my son. Follow the links...

Alice calls people 196-person etc. She gets that from your IP address. Just tell her what you want to be called... it`s no mystery ;)
I don`t think Alice has anything to do with it at the moment. In actula fact you can download the ALICE program and use it on your home PC.... it`s nothing especially to do with the movie or this game... unless Dreamworks have added to the code in some way.

I got Alice to give me an email address for her creator, Dr. Wallace. It's dr.wallace@mindspring.com. That address doesn't sound like it would be part of this, but I sent a message asking about Evan.
I also went to the real world A.L.I.C.E. and got to email addresses for the REAL Dr. Wallace. rsw@ime.net and drwallace@alicebot.net. That should freak that poor bastard a bit.

I'm almost positive that ALICE has nothing to do with this thing at all. She will give the same response if you use John Holmes in place of Evan Chan. The point is, it doesn't matter. I visited ALICE on her homepage and she's been around a lot longer than this little game and she's been giving the same responses too. Richard Wallace was the programmer who made her, this is absolutely true. He's just a regular guy and his ALICE program is an award winning program. It's just used on the AI website as a promotion for the movie. Move on, ALICE will take you no where.

What is with Mindbender? What are the voices in that weird ass commercial? I regognized one from 2001. Of course everyone has seen this one, right? It is linked to the error message from all the bogus visonary.net subjects.

The Turan Test is decades old. I read about it in an intro to philosophy class when we were learning about artificial intelligence. It's simply been applied on the AIMovie site as a neat gimmick, adding to the "ooh, ahh" quality of the movie. It's for mainstream consumption; it's irrelevant to the murder mystery we're all currently pulling our hair out over. (PS to all the AICN sleuths: Good job with all this stuff. I agree with the people who praise this experience as one of the only things to get everybody together, instead of bickering about petty differences in opinion. Besides, has anyone EVER seen a talkback this involved, or with nearly as many posts???) Lightstormer out.

Early on into this fun mess i visited a site with a fake banner ad, it was about free internet access. When I clicked on it it opened an adobe acrobat reader page set up like a news paper with a whole bunch of info...that i never got to read. My computer, being the mental bag of crap that it is decided that at that moment it was tired and froze up. I went back to the site but it wouldn't load again, it just lead me to a web page where you could leave your name and stuff for a quote on their services. ??????

I Emailed Jeanine saying I had "heard about Evan, but just rumors; bits and pieces. What happened?" I instantly received an auto response, but I don't want to post old info if this has already been covered. If anybody wants me to post it, I will....

Entered Jason Fertor, Thomas Slaner, Kara Tordon, and Yulan Foxtra into the PACO website. These are some of the victims in that Denver rampage of two "defective" AIs.
Jason and Yulan weren't found (name not in database) but Thomas Slaner and Kara Tordon made the site prompt for payment to see their files. Text is below.
"To access this file, a fee of 50 newbucks is required. Please enter your credit tag info below."
Followed by entry fields for:
Credit Tag Number
Credit Tag Expiration Date
and a "Submit newbucks" link.
I find it interesting that ARM mentions that there has been a media blackout on this crime-spree.
"Curiouser and curiouser."

I have no idea what this mindbender commercial is that you speak of Notaplaya. Are you going to the right page (thevisionary.net)?
As for the auto response from Salla, if one more person posts that dumbass e-mail and doesn't read the previous talkbacks, I will personally track you down and kneecap you.
Still, the Sallavision e-mail is interesting. We might want to look closer at it. It might have information, since we haven't actually got anything else from Mephista since then and we do know that Salla is the key to all of this, that is, unless some more e-mails will be forthcoming.

Several Posts back, a few people (including "NakedTwister")mentioned that they had called the phone number at the Martin Swinton site (212-613-1680)and gotten the voice message, which I have done. They then said that they typed in the code 22678 that they got from some Portuguese site. I haven't seen anything in any other language but German and I don't remember reading anything here about it. I tried calling the Swinton number and putting in the code, but the line goes dead. THE REASON: The reason that I'm curious is that NakedTwister said he heard a message about a rock band when he called the number. On the personal page of Evan Chan, in his private notes on the Donu-tech site, there are refernces to a rock band (02-07-2142 and 02-12-2142) He talks about "Carter's" band. Could that be Carter Swem, the CEO of Donu-Tech? Most rock bands have a fan page. Right? Does anyone know what the name of the band might be?
-By the way, I LOVE this!

There could be promising rewards in the application of the number 123. See Aleph-Naught.org (where the message:"Test123" is displayed) and Rational-hatter.com (where 123 is Hidden but revealed by highlighting the text.)

ALICE is not part of this game. I e-mailed Richard Wallace to ask about his involvement in the movie and the game and received a response which said he had no involvement in the movie, they were just using his technology for the website. If you ask ALICE why she does anything I imagine it will tell you it does it because of Richard Wallace. Anyway, that should end the ALICE debate for good...

My post above seems to have been in vain. On the Donu-Tech site the name of his band is given, Chapel Hill Hot Jazz Band. He plays classical Oboe. After searching for few moments I decided that this isn't going to pan out. Oh well. If we just knew where to put some of those code numbers we all have. I've tried a few places, but since most of them also require usernames too, it's possible that I have the correct password at that site, but not the right username. It looks like we all might have to wait for more emails. By the way, in Evans private emails, I took a look at the return addresses of some of the mail. I tried sending to three of the senders but two of the mails were returned as undeliverable. Bummer. Tiffany Wang might be an A.I. On her profile her marital status and reproductive history are labeled with "does not apply".

Been tracking the game for a couple days now... finally finished reading all these posts.
Near as i can tell, just about everything we know so far could be figured out through legitimate means with some persistance - here's how i did it (for those still catching up).
"Rouge Retrieval" is referred to by the Red King in his hack post -he calls it "Rog Retreevl" (i admit, this one is stretching it).
"Aragon institute of Technology" (AIT) is mentioned on the ARM site, under the "News" section - I found the site through a Google search. The AIT site led me to Belladerma.
"Electric-Toybox" is mentioned with Whitman's autopsy - the site is just a matter of typing in the words right.
"Aphordite" is the only other one... Though i admit to getting hints here from AICN, i didn't use it until i knew how it could rationally be figured out - Evan's ID came from a photo, right? the only other word in those photos, beside "Cloudmaker" (which didn't work) was "Venus" - when that didn't work, i pulled out my Encarta99 Encyclopedia... Played around, looked up "Venus" -"...originally a goddess of gardens and fields but later identified with Aphrodite, the Greek goddess of love and beauty..." so naturaly i look up "Aphrodite" and i get... "goddess of love and beauty and the counterpart of the Roman goddess Venus... described as having sprung from the foam of the sea..."
That sinched it.
Now where the hell does Whitman fit in??

just to confirm it for the eleventeenth time alice i'm positive is a dead end. I wasn't able to get onto the alicebot.org site. but as a side note alicebot.com is allegedly the new home of the alice program. when that site will be up is beyond me. but thanks to everyone for all the help. and what kinda fucked up animation is going on in the top left, damn cadburry is slippin'

is actually in the friggin source code for one of the known sites , believe it or not,cant remember which one. no geniune links to electric toyland??. I also think whitman may be more then just background color...I just joined the cloudmaker yahoo group and they seem to thimk the toy shop where whitman was shot is a front for pro-AI folks, apparently the muzak on the site is the same as you hear in the background on the anon. phone message on the Chan answering machine...so, maybe the sexbot went there, phoned in condolences and was smuggled to "free" canada .....

Well, hell. I haven't found this in this lengthy-ass talkback yet, so here's what I got back from Jeanine's Email at the University. >>From: J. Salla Re: Automated Response // Although Dr. Salla would prefer to deal with you in person, the volume of her correspondence makes that impossible. Unfortunately, it is my unhappy task as her Evolved Assistant to tell you that your message (when evaluated by my admitted arbitrary battery of metrics), is not important enough to pass along to her at this time. Or ever, really. But if you think that's just me, try the phone.<< OK, there you go. I guess this means there's a phone number waiting for us to call it to reach Jeanine. Sorry if this has already been covered. Out.

http://www.familychan.org/evanchanpage.html where the ait link is embedded, if you wanna know. sorry for the double post, this TB is already WAY to big...has anyone any theories on why eyesight is emphasised on the family page? Jeanne has astigmatism, cataracts(!) and color-blindness (usually a male trait, right).is it just to show hereditary?(ie if someone needs corrective optics they are jeanine's offspring). I cant see any references to color anywhere else, except perhaps in the quatered hearts, where only laia's is blue,is this signifying sadness, or coldness?

I'm not sure we've covered all the bases with the hacked SPCB page yet. For those of you that still haven't seen it in all of its rendered glory, you can find it here: http://www.geocities.com/joshinator0/Ai.html
There's some interesting stuff in here, binary code, something that looks like it could be Greek or some other foreign language, and an interesting paragraph about Chan. The sentence that strikes me the most is: I doubt if every man in the Burroughs is anxious for him to make it to the interrogation (rough translation from the weird spelling). I'm pretty sure we haven't exhausted this page yet and that line is very strange. You have to look at the context, but the "him" would seem to refer to Evan Chan, which would make it seem like the Red King or whoever is responsible for the hack doesn't think that Chan is actually dead. I dunno, sorry to bring up stuff we've been over, but I think we glossed over it too quickly. Wouldn't hurt to reexamine.

Take another look at it... >>"[The SBPC] R looking 4 a robot in conekshun w/the deth uv a therml enjineer cald Evan Chan. Whi the hot prsoot? The robots a 1st ordr pees uv Belladerma as, a sex slav. [No] Doubt evre man in the Buroz hoping he gets 2 do the Interogashun."<< He's saying the robot they're searching so frantically for is a "hot piece of sex slave ass." He says every guy in the bureau is going to want to do her interrogation. AT least, that's what I got out of it, anyway. ;-)

I have not posted here before but after reading all the talk back and checking out all the sites myself I have scanned all the source I can and I think you should all check out this........
http://www.spcb.org/bios/flash/redking.swf
It might have been posted before but I have not seen it.

the whole concept being created for AI on line is stunning, a whole virtual world for the people who want to find it. Just a couple of things though, I hope it doesn't reveal too much of the plot and they've done it too well! The sites all down load super quick, the links all work, the photos are all perfectly lit and rendered. I know it's in the future where all this might be possible but all this perfection just doesn't ring true with the net (sphere?) we suffer with now.
apart from that, should be great, just when you think he's lost it mr spielberg does something to really knock your socks off.

Alright, I don't think the [No] should be in there, but looking at it that way, I see your point. Still, I don't think that this precludes a closer look at the hacked page. We need to find Sophia (she who's footprints are in the [data?]sphere). Right clicking on the bottom of the Belladerma page and clicking play brings up a list of employees, one of whom bears the first name Sophia. She could be the one we're looking for, but I don't know. Short of information on this page, I think we're also waiting for some time release information to help us along.

I cant get those last lines out of my head... "red king says theres a footprint in the sphere that looks like Sophias. If you find her, befriend her, trick her, crack her if you can. She knows 7/22nds of everything...."
ok, FOOTPRINT IN THE SPHERE; the sphere=their equivalent of our Internet (see http://www.bangaloreworldu-in.co.nz/ds.html) and a footprint=hidden msg in a html file somewhere?
SOPHIA; what other references to her do we have?
7/22NDS OF EVERYTHING; whats the correct translation? it could be "7-20 seconds of everything" ie a limited a/v-recording. Is Sophia just an alter ego of Laia (with her 'IR; UV; Telescope; Playback & download capability')?
And some smart energetic person should have a crack at those binary codes... the text "WORD TO TEH WISER" must be meant as a challange for us to decrypt it. so get on with it :)

i know this is not real but while iwas trying to play this game i was instant messaged with the following:
Learn This Boy: I HAVE BEEN WATCHING YOUR VISION QUEST AND I HAVE BEEN THROUGH YOUR EYES.
DO NOT BE DISCOURAGED WITH THE PATH YOU ARE TAKING
BJK4040: who r u?
BJK4040: what do u mean?
BJK4040: r u there?
Learn This Boy: ASK THE RIGHT QUESTION AND YOU WILL RECEIVE THE RIGHT ANSWER BUT ASK THE WRONG QUESTION AND I SHALL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT VISIONARY
BJK4040: where do we go next?
BJK4040: not an answer, but a clue...
Learn This Boy: YOU HAVE LET ME DOWN CHILD NOW I WILL PUT MY EFFORTS INTO THE NEXT QUEST TAKER
BJK4040: mother?
BJK4040: 668437
BJK4040: what is 323... tell me that
BJK4040: chan is AI?
is Jeanine the only human?
BJK4040: how did u get this screen name
i don't need a hint for progress nemore... how did u find me?
BJK4040: i will solve it on my own
BJK4040: how do i get newbucks
BJK4040: give me something
BJK4040: will i get another chance
is this sophia
BJK4040: Sophia
BJK4040: 7/22nds?
BJK4040: how do i redeem myself
Learn This Boy: A WORTHY APPONENT WOULD AT LEAST CHECK ONES E MAIL
Learn This Boy: OPPONENT
BJK4040: one moment
have any of you all gotten this?
and then he wrote me an email...

I'm afraid someone is messing with you....you're an easy target thanks to AOL...your IM screen name is the same as your email. Someone picked up on that and decided to have a little fun at your expense.

Regarding the code from the Portugese site, it was one of the pages that came up on the Google search... seemed irrelevant, but several South American places are mentioned in other relevant pages, so I looked through it and saw one line with jeanine in it... noted it down.
I have tried that code on all voicemails that anyone called... did nothing except on the Martin Swinton v-mail. Still not sure that it is relevant.

Sorry about that other post^_^! I accidentally pressed enter! Anyway, I was on the letter that Jeanine got and I was trying to do the equation, when all of the sudden, I got this pop-up from the famalia site that was labeled: W A R N I N G.
it was like some evil trick of the matrix!!!!!!! I was like "Okay... this is different..." when it said " get out now. there is nothing you can do to stop this" and faded to a picture of a dead person (I didn't stick around to find out who, but it was probably Evan Chan)
-100%
Ecco

And sorry if someone has mentioned it already but is there some significance to the fact that on the trailer the 323 code between the www.aimovie.com and the America Online Keyword:AI, only appears when the Summer 2001 (with the cut marks in the letters for that phone number) flashes up on the screen...Or am I just getting paranoid about all this know??

I've been watching from the sidelines the whole game, unfortunatly i don't have the time to work this out. But I have to say that you all are amazing!!! Just a though on Sophia...it may be nothing but...if Sophia knows 7/22nds of everything, and 22/7ths is pi and pi is infinate, is it possible that she knows everything? Just a thought that probably won't pan out but it's an idea. Again this is great and so is the job ou are all doing. Thanks again.

I don't know of what import this is, but if you enter the seven magic words into a search engine there is one hit on this web site.
http://www.hackersclub.com/km/files/password_cracker/wordlists/inet-mac.txt
I know this isn't directly part of the game, but answers haven't always come directly from the game...have they? I feel like the game is becoming very frustrating. We have a lot of clues for a problem we don't know of. This seems too complex to simply discover what happened to cause the death of Evan Chan. OK. Peace Out. Oh, by the way...I would suggest entering the phone numbers of all your friends in the unite-and-resist.org website. It will really freak them out. And take hours of their free time the way it's done to us.

in Evans private mailbox at work there are three notes to himself.
I am postive at least one, and probally the one that seems to be a sugestion for J (Salla) are game clues.
oh IG is Ibrim Green and i guess the Limping Turtle Press is more to do with the Haiku.

something in that article fits with some other theroies. The LunGills can allow people to go underwater for extended periods of time. Someone said something about the only place AI's could go without human interference was under the water. Mabye this is a clue.

Am I the only one who's started setting my away message on AOL to stuff like-
"Sorry, I'm off working on my column at HuntingtonNews.Net. Someone killed Evan Chan. Start your search at google.com. Search for Jeanine Salla. I don't know how deep it goes. Into the Rabbit Hole you go."
It's so much fun to get people in on this, not letting on how much you know.

So, for those of us that don't have fax machines...Anybody received anything from inputting your fax number on the Belladerma SRL site? So far, I've heard two people mention giving them their number, but haven't heard of a response.

Also, just a thought on Sencha. I believe that sencha is a type of Japanese green tea. The coroner who autopsied Evan Chan was Audrey Green. Could she be Sencha? And, if so, could that be her PACO password? Hey, quick, what's Sencha in GREEK!!!

OK thank you to whomever gave me the help to get to AIT website.
From that website, I have made it to bellderma.
There I found that there is a pic of Venus there. The same Venus from Chan's Webpage from Donu tech.
Also www.callwave.com you can register to get your own fax number to get faxes to your email. So this way you have a fax number for Belladerma. I haven't got one from they yet. In any case I hope this helps anyone a little...

With all this search about fictional A.I.'s here a little something on the reality. Try this link http://www.aol.co.uk/webcentres/scitech/0.html . I seem to be making a some progress. Just figured out that the Venus bit of fluff in Evans personal page at donu tech is the same one that's with that millionare bloke. Naughty boy Evan!!!

COULD YOU PLEASE OPEN A NEW TALKBACK ("PART II", PERHAPS?) BECAUSE THIS IS GETTING TOO LONG... I CAN'T SORT THROUGH IT ALL ANYMORE... SPLIT IT ALL INTO DAYS AND LINK THEM UNDER ONE PAGE... ITS GETTING RIDICULOUS...

My current project is the 12-digit UANs all these sites are asking for. I figure UANs must be like e-mail addresses or something like that, which means that it's possible that if we can figure out Evan's UAN or Jeanine's or Laia's, we'll have access to all this stuff. I've been working on number combinations based on what we already know and on that phone keypad system that Mother's been using. Worked at it all last night and this morning, but nothing. But I WILL NOT GIVE UP! I'm positive, absolutely positive, that I'm on to something. I'm hot on the killer's trail, and no one can stop me. That creepy robot that called me last night is going to have to come down here and drag me away from the computer and SHOOT me to get me to fail. My suggestion: get a group of your smartest friends together to get them to help you. I did. They're as addicted as I am. Evan will be avenged, by God! ... Hmmmm, I'm starting to sound a little fanatical. Maybe I should step away from the computer for a minute. I need some fresh air....

i dont know if this was mentioned, but does audrey's print look sort of robotic, like at the end of the first A.I. trailer, located here: http://aimovie.warnerbros.com/. i dont have good enough software to blow up this print, someone might though. just a thought...

FIRST OF ALL THIS GAME OR WHAT EVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT IS GREAT. SOME THEORIES I HAVE ARE:
1. THERE ARE A BUNCH OF USELESS WEBSITES THAT ARE SOMEWHAT INCOLVED IN THIS A.I.THING. MAYBE THE DEATH OF EVAN CHAN IS JUST THE SURFACE OF THIS THING AND IT MADE ALL OF US START GETTING ALL THE BACKGROUND INFORMATION FOR THE MOVIE AND THIS WHOLE " GAME" IS NOT GOING TO GO ANYWHERE. IN OTHER WORDS IT JUST HELPS US UNDERSTAND WHAT THE BACKGROUND OF THE MOVIE.
2. THERE ARE SOME WEBSITES THAT DATE BACK TO THE 90'S AND THAT I HAVE ACTUALLY HAD A SIMULATED TALKE TO ALICE AND A DRAGON NAMED MAUR. MAYBE THESE SITES ARE TELLING US THAT THE A.I. STARTED BACK THEN AND THAT WAS THE PRIMITIVE A.I. BACK THEN AND 142 YEARS LATER THEY HAVE ACTUAL PEOPLE LOOKING LIKE HUMANS BUT THEY ARE ROBOTS.
...I CAN NOT FIGURE OUT WHAT ANY OF THIS HAS TO DO WITH THE MOVIE OTHER THAN WHAT I HAVE SAID.
..A PERSON NAMED RED KING AND HIS WEBSITE ARE VERY INTELLIGENT.
SOME HINTS-
RICHARD S. WALLACE
ALAN TURING
WWW.MACROVU.COM
DOES ANYONE KNOW THE PASSWORD FOR THE METROPOLITANLIVINGHOME.COM WHERE YOU CAN FIND THE LINK TO "THE WALL ARTICLE"--I DONT KNOW THAT PASSCODE.

is just the email list, so you should be able to post either on the board or by email (from the address you registered with). just looked at the print, the one on the other autopsy report is pretty "digitised" as well. Audrey has a brother (Mel, not Al as I said earlier), so she's presumably human

Hey, this is for anyone who has experience in hacking. When I did a tacert of www.familiasalla-es.ro i got back some weird IP's. the first site that worked had the IP 63.240.128.134. Im sure if someone figures out how to get passed this site there will be some very cool shit inside. Checkit out.

Hello. I've tried to solve the chemical puzzle in the letter several times. You know the one with the atoms and stuff. I know what the answer to the puzzle is. But I can't solve it!! I just don't get. Can someone tell me how to solve it? It would be fun to know.

Hey...this prob. means nothing, but you guys know how you called that # and got a band name...can anyone figure out if it says vector mechanics (i think thats what i searched). I searched something like that (an interesting word i picked up from the family homepage) and i got this german band site. Things have been showing up in german...is this the game or just some coincedence...i haven't the slightest...i thought nothing of it then...but i'll look for it again.

ok, it's actually easy, just take the element symbols.some are in brackets, so (Hg - H) leaves you with just H. got it? all you need to know and more is on http://danhon.com/evan. Now all we need to find is a coroner named Sweborg.....

Hey. I've been following this whole thing since AICN broke the story, but mostly I've just been following other people's leads. I'm probably wrong but I was looking at one of the pics of Laia on Evan Chan's personal page, and the one called Laiawindow3big.jpg just seems odd to me. The way she's holding her stomach, it looks like she's pregnant. I'm probably completely reading into this and it means nothing, but I thought I'd contribute, just in case it means anything and helps figure out the mystery.

ANOTHER ONE OF MY THEORIES IS THAT JEANINE SALLA IS THE MAKER AND CREATOR OF THESE A.I.'S. COULD IT POSSIBLY BE THAT JEANINE IS THE ONLY REAL HUMAN LEFT IN THE YEAR 2142. PLUS I KEEP HEARING AND SEEING THINGS THAT SAY THAT JEANINE IS THE KEY. I HAVE ALSO SEEN THAT THERE ARE 11 BILLION A.I.'S ON THE EARTH AND THAT SUPPORTS MY THEORY THAT JEANINE IS THE LAST HUMAN ON EARTH.

Please stop posting in caps. It's really obnoxious. Also, we don't know for a fact that Laia is AI. We believe that because that's what we've been told, but anything is possible. There's no such thing as a given in this universe. As for Jeanine being the only human left on earth - well, like I said, anything is possible, but that's awfully low on the list of possibilities.

Keep in mind that on Salla's site, she has three photographs; one of herself labeled "made the machine", one of the birth lottery certificate of Colleen Francesca Salla labeled "was made by the machine", and a picture of Laia labeled "is the machine". It's possible that this has a different meaning, but it seems to imply that Jeanine made Laia and Laia made Colleene. So, if that is true, Jeanine would be the only human of the three.

Just asked Alice- "Are you a member of the ARM?" Response" "Am I a member of the arm? Sometimes." Also - try translate.lycos.com to translate those german websites. Mephisto.com is a fetish clothing site, yet appears to have no relation to the game other than the conspicuously sparse content. The german site Harry gave out at the top of the article is a very interesting Sentient Home site along the lines of Metropolitan Living Homes. Dont worry about the msgbox popup message on one of the pages- it translates out to something about that EarthNet 39 standard that the other sites refer to for holographic streaming. Jest doin' my part. Man this is cool.

when i called the chan number and entered the mailbox code (2426) i noticed that the background music in the "new message" is the same as the music at the belladerma site. so i figure the woman works there.
im also wondering how certain we are the chan is dead. who has actually seen the body. Im not sure that Nancy Chan has since its only optional to view the body in person(i found this out in the faq section.)

Besides...
I've got to keep this talk back ID. It's a keeper for sure. :)
I've got to admit one thing... I wasn't sure about paying a monthly fee for Majestic before now. This is awesome...I just have to wonder if they had a hand in this as a way to promote their game.

can anyone get to the bellarderma service part of the site? throughout the site it has links to "customer service representatives" and whenever i click on it, it starts loading for a long time with no result. help.

maybe we'll have to wait for this to be activated. On Jeanine heading a pro-sentient terrorist group, well she had pretty damn good cover story then. Here's what inourimage said about her:"Dr. Jeanine Salla, whose faculty chair at BWU-NY is sponsored by a robot manufacturer-did go so far as to observe that the highest suicide rates occur among robots with programmed loyalties to owners who deliberately damage them.
Dr. Salla, having taken her thirty pieces of silver, did not draw the obvious analogy to child abuse. We do." Still, rule nothing out...

Has anyone else noticed this, or is this just because of my superior intellect? (yeah, right...) The name of the creepy audio file on thevisionary.net is M1004B1116.wav. Evan Chan's ID number for DonuTech is 1007. I see a little proximity here. Perhaps 1004 is "M's" ID, and 1116 is "B's"? M could be Mario Dauphin, but I have no idea what the B could be. However, I can think of no other reason the file would be named this. Hopefully, I've added something new. :-)

In reference to the latin phrase, sombody mentioned:
"If it is a noun, the sentence could be translated as: "The [Lombards] certainly discovered the method/art/form of their love."
Well, my only credential in decoding this message is the fact I'm double majoring in Film and Italian, so you'll just have to "take my word for it." Anyway, "Lombardi" doesn't directly translate because it's a shortened version of "lungo bardi," which means "long beards." So technically, anyone with the name "Lombardi" is a descendent of the tribe of "long beards" the Romans called the Lombardi.
So what's my opinion? Now the completed phrase would read "The 'long beards' certainly discovered the method/art/form of their love." Well, both Kubrick and Speilberg both belong to HOLLYWOOD'S "Lombardi" tribe; that is, the upper echelon of Hollywood directors known for their beards (Kubrick, Speilberg, Lucas, Coppola, etc), who have all surely discovered the art of their love--cinema. So is this a clue to our mystery? Doubtful. It looks like just a MacGuffin to me.

Just wondering if this will become the new "Who shot J.R.?" or "Who killed Laura Palmer?" for this era. Figured I'd quote this from the autopsy " External genitalia showed exaggerated postmortem lividity, suggesting physiologic engorgement of the penis prior to death." That horny bastard, those innocent eyes my ass!!! Getting ROBO nookie on his boat eh? No wonder he loved sailing so much. Beats gardening with Nancy and her antique mower. Thats ok Evan ol' chum, I hear ya. Screw the cure for cancer!!!!! Get me a Sex-Bot pronto!!!!!!

This isn't important, but I thought it was amusing that in Evan Chan's "about" page at Donu-Tech, his favorite music is Holst's "The Planets, movement two" and movement two is called "Venus."
Another probably not important piece of info I noticed was that Derrick Chan was born the same year that Evan and Nancy got married. I thought this was weird because Evan said it took six months to win the "pregnancy lottery," so I just wonder how Nancy had the baby that same year.
Probably nothing.

While examining the small pictures on Evan's own personal page off the Chans' main webpage, I noticed that most of them have typical names indicative of the picture itself-- sand, sunset, etc. But one at the bottom is named AA024355 rather than any other descriptive term. I haven't found a place in which that code fits, so perhaps it's a red herring (or me grasping at straws). But for what it's worth, its name is unlike any other picture on that page and as such perhaps can help us out.

I found a link to Ananova (the talking news service) on Drudge Report that struck me as total BS. Maybe as long as you guys are stuck on AI you could comment on whether you think this has any basis in reality. The first line is: "Russian scientists claim to have developed the first artificial brain with the same intellectual potential as a human." Well, I'm glad they got that little task sorted out while the rest of the world was busy watching Survivor, or whatever. The quote by the scientist was especially Blade Runnerish.

Hey, I just discovered the "game" and have been frantically playing around. Ive wasted away the past 2 hours of my life reading this talkback.
Do you really think its a coincidence that the game involves passcodes and access numbers and solving puzzles and that the trailer itself is about a password?
I think the passcode in the trailer is important and will play a role in the game.
I have changed the letters in the 7 word passcode into numbers using a alphabet/number syster (where A=1 B=2) and also a telephone system. I was hoping that adding the result or something would produce a 12 digit number. So far no luck, I got a 15 digit and a 14 digit number, but nothing good yet. Also there are numbers on the poster 116046.
The 2nd trailer was designed to key us all in on the game, so its likely that the passcode in the trailer is important. Any thoughts?

I think if we added up all our individual two cents of input, we'd be able to repay Spielberg the budget on this dang film. That having been said, I want to state for the record right now (just in case I turn out to be right as time passes,) that I think Chan faked his death. It really seems the evidence is there... His best friend, Jeanine, could have an AI created in his image (or at least the body for one, so that it wouldn't need to be "killed" for the illusion,) so that there would be "proof" of his death. "But if it's an AI," you ask, "wouldn't they find out in the autopsy?" "Well," I says, "remember who the coroner was that did that autopsy - Dr. Green, his friend, who was even substituting for the regular doctor, who very conveniently had the day off." Add to that the mention that he had been looking into underwater breathing technology.... One thing that this theory makes me curious about, though, is the voicemail message to Laia, telling her not to come to the funeral. Anybody have any idea what this would mean in the context of this situation? I mean, we're aware of Evan's secret desires for her, which may imply that she is in fact the "Belladonna piece of ass" that Red King was referring to.... I dunno. Just a theory. Anybody else got my back on this?

maybe they're scared Laia would recognise evan's body as fake at the funeral (she has augmented vision).if it was an open casket that is. Evan's ashes were scattered after the funeral, do robots burn? I remember a Ray Bradbury story where a man was murdered, but after they burnt the body the killers found a bunch of metal components in their furnace...the guy had sent a copy of himself...

That and "The Mad Hatter" site... I dunno, we've kind of been ignoring them, thus far. They don't seem to provide many clues, save for the hidden "123" on Mad Hatter, and the "Test 123" on A-N. Something tells me that something fairly big will come from these sources. They're way under our radar for being so unyielding. I think we should keep our eyes open with these bad boys. Oh, and, by the way, for anybody interested, an Aleph is the first letter in the Hebrew alphabet, basically representing an "X," and "naught" is, of course, another word for "zero." "X-0"? Eh... probably nothing.

OK, I got a fax from Belladerma this morning. The cover page has some names and numbers so I will start there.
To: Enrico Basta
From: Pia Viago (spelled differently than in the email adddress)
Company: Lombard
Office: Las Vegas, NV
CC: Casa Isabella
Contact: pxviagio@belladerma-srl-it.ro
re: INV# 420410-03
Message:
Very sorry to have missed your last call, doll. Your new goddess will be arriving shortly. Please contact me at my mobile number if there is anything else I can do for you. Ciao!
Then, on the actual fax:
Invoice date: 10 April, 2142
Addressee:
Enrico Basta
Casa Isabella
Hillside Drive
Durham, NC
Bon Giorno!
Thank you again so much for contacting me! You know how much we appreciate your business! I am very sorry for your loss. We hope to have the replacement for your companion in Durham within the week. I am sure the Sentient Property Crime Bureau investigation will confirm that she breached her obedience mandate and is no longer fit.
Of course, our warranty guarantees that the Boudicca-model (Series FC-00242) replacement will be free. The replacement credit covers the following custom features, which you requested when we last spoke:
Height adjustment (princess 1.6m) - enhanced leg to torse length proportions
Build Adjustment (voluptuous) - enhanced breast size
Distinguishing Features Adjustment (smooth) - Add blue beauty mark at edge of right cheek
Athleticism (high) Add high balance feature commensurate with nautical activity
Demeanor (cut to fit) - submissive and dependend, but deeply bound out of joy
Other (cut to fit) Extramely anti-corrosive (especially with respect to salts)
Please contact me if you have and questions.

Don't know if this has been posted yet, but in Netscape (not I.E.) the source code of the most wanted section of the SPCB.org site has a top 10 most wanted by... THE ROBOTS!!! Turnabout is fair play afterall. I Could only see the Evan Chan message in I.E. but not this. It iz rittun n a weerd fuhnetik stil. Trust me, you'll know what I'm writing about when you see it. This is too cool. Boo Luca Ingellis! Ag8nst the w@ll.

I'm sure thesee types of posts are getting as old as the subject of my message, but Harry could you please make a request for people to read the entire TalkBack before they start posting the exciting fucking clues they unearth like "The Answer to The Chemical Puzzle" Please folks. Read.

Or, point them to: http://danhon.com/evan/. Some really organized people from the Cloudmaker group on Yahoo have put up an FAQ (or close enough) that keeps track of everybody's leads. So, if you're new, don't want to read everything posted, and have an exciting piece of evidence, PLEASE check there first.

HOLY SHIT... Is this a fake???
Headers follow immediately after...
-Dan
-unless you love someone-
-nothing else makes any sense-
e.e. cummings
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 01:25:42 -0400
From: father@t...
To: daniel.fabulich@y...
Subject: Greetings and Goodnight.
I e-mailed the one who sent all of you off on this huge quest in the
first place, but I haven't seen him let the masses know of my
contacting him yet. Therefore, I'm coming to you, as you seem to be one
of the more prominent parts of the..'collective detective', was it?
You were right to think that when the game was created, it was hoped
that people would play alone, not in huge groups like the one you've
formed in Cloudmakers, but I'll tell you this much: You're causing
turmoil. The 'puppetmasters', to coin a phrase, are going quite batty,
especially after the suggestion by some of your folks that they port-
scan and then push their way into the machine running all of the
domains.
You're also correct to think that we're with-holding information from
the masses of you. When Knowles posted all those domains, he
circumvented a big chunk of the game. They will be used, but you'll
have to wait. After all, there's a big chunk of the puzzle you haven't
solved.
I'll be in contact.
This name doesn't accept incoming mail but, you knew that already.
-Father

Check out the hidden message in the source code on the catalog.asp page on bella derma. It wasn't there on the 14th. That will show that the powers that be are responding to or anticipating our code searches.
Run some searches on the imbedded meta names, you'll get some interesting hits.
Lastly, do any of the images under the companion link look familiar?

Something that occurred to me, and might explain the necessity of having the autopsy faked...
On the inourimage site, the Turing-Dick test is described. In it, humaniform AI's are given amnesia (more precisely "told that they were humans suffering from amnesia") and released into the world with no knowledge of their non-human status.
And there's the comment on the Salla family website, under Jeanine Salla - "fooled him". Her career definitely suggests that she might be in a position to repeat the T-D experiment.
Was Evan an AI and didn't know?
Could be completely off-base here, but thought it should be said anyway...

On http://www.spcb.org/news.htm, this article is shown:
"SPCB agents have wrapped up their lengthy investigation into the alleged "Mad House Syndrome." Launched in the wake of last year's Metropolitan Living Homes feature article. As a result of their investigation, agents were unable to confirm a single case of house AIs going mad and trapping owners inside. Well-known Housers Eric and Scott Baker, Kelli Criana, Ugo Ferry, Kate Nei, Tham Sum, and Martin Swinton were interviewed during the investigation. All but one claimed to be amused and incredulous at these tales. Agents have concluded that "Mad House Syndrome" is nothing more than urban folklore."
Scott Baker's name is in PACO's database. Do you think he might have been the one not "amused and incredulous?"

hey there, well I'm sorry if all of this is old news, but it's impossible to read through all the talkbacks .. anyway, I'm from Germany, and I went to the german site. (btw, denkendes Haus means thinking house, ...dont know why they spelled it denkendenesHaus ..doesnt make sense)
Not much of interest there, a lot of blabla about those living houses, and that bosch woman ... What could be interesting are the IASA Links ..but you need a member's number .. anyone who can help me?

Alright, two new e-mails today, one was intercepted from an e-mail address attached to the Belladerma fax (check Cloudmakers@yahoo for the fax). Another robot e-mail, with a number (702)-387-2350 attached. Call it for some weird recorded conversation. The other e-mail is from Laia, for the e-mail updates to her webpage. So far, I see nothing hidden in that one either, but she does say some interesting science facts about Venus (the planet as metaphor for the AI). Worth checking out, probably some hidden meaning there. She also says she updated her page, but I don't see anything different (possibly something hidden?), and she says she'll be in contact every week or so.

...ok, either I -just- got confused, or I was confused all along and didn't know it. Or we've been duped. Or "The Puppetmasters" are reacting well, and quickly. The email from Laia said that she updated her website. Sure enough, at the bottom of the main page is a link for "meditations". It's a lot of thoughts and internal monologue with Mephista...but also this snippet:
"If he weren't worth caring about, it wouldn't hurt so much. Nancy wouldn't be so angry. Abuela wouldn't be so grim. There would be no therapist working with Cloudmaker, there would be no for-evan.com"
for-evan.com is the site containing all the info & the signup link for the yahoo group, "Cloudmaker". Was Cloudmaker in on this all along, or is this a recent alliance? Did I miss something really important earlier?

In the meditation on the Salla family page Laia talks about Abuela. Which is Spanish for grandmother. Now, we haven't seen any other women in the Salla family. So who could be grandmother?
Look at the description of the woman. Obsessed with AI, talking about AI's a souls, researching, workaholic, lived through the warming.
Jeanine anyone?
All this time we have believed that Laia is Jeanine's daughter but she's Jeanine's. We never heard Jeanine call Laia her daughter or the other way around. Also, the only referance of Jeanine in the meditation is calling her a survivor of the warming. Which Abuela is also described as.
Also, Laia recalls seven years earlier when her mother takes herself offline. This is, I believe, Colleen. MAybe this is why there are no pictures of her. Also, Colleen must be Jeanine's daughter, as Jeanine has a colorblindness gene and that was taken out of Colleen. It wasn't taken out of Laia. Why? Because Colleen is Laia's mother. Colleen is Jeanine's daughter.
As for the made by the machine, is the machine thing. I suspect that Jeanine either 1) Only had Colleen to implant with the AI mephista or 2) it was Maphista (which now lives in Laia) that caused Colleen to leave. In either of these cases she was made by mephista. Either created for or disapeared because. Made could be used in the way like, "THe emergancy made me" as in made him into what he is today.
Any thoughts.

Has anyone managed to contact her, given the Red King's mention of Sophia's foot print in the sphere, and the one line of text in the Bella Derma catalog's code, and the VP of Marketing of Bella Derma being Sophia Forenza Sr. I tried every variation of her possible e-mail address, given the standard set by Pia Viagio's address in the fax that they intended to send to the owner of Venus.

Although the Rational-Hatter is up, I'm not sure there will be anything for us there yet. I took a look, but I'm thinking that until we find a reason to be there (a link, a message, or any number of other things) any information we could find there would not mean anything to us. As for Sophia Forenza, I tried that out, but everything has been bounced back. More interesting is the e-mail address on the Belladerma fax. E-mail that and see what comes back. There's more there than meets the eye, but I'm not exactly sure what (seems like that happens often in this game).

if anyone is still here there is anew insight on kent whitman at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cloudmakers/. I am now gonna stop posting on this TB as everything seems to be happening on the excellent thread on yahoo
GUBUH!

I will keep posting here just in case anyone still reads this! If there is any one that is still woundering if Evan is an A.I then go take a look at:
http://www.familiasalla-es.ro/mannact.htm
And have a look at the bottom of the page at his photo there! If that man was any more artifical the he would have 'Made in China' stamped on his head!!!

Chan's personal site mentions reprogramming 3rd ear, updating deltoids, metacarpals, and checking right hip joint.. Look in 'events' for June (among others)
Maybe he *is* an AI... And one of his haikus talks about synthetic sinews..
Irys

okay, i figured play around with this thing, and i got about 2/3rds of the way thru all of the posts and i hadn't seen anyone mention this. I continued asking alice about mother. and got nothing
i then typed evan chan
and it said "would you like to give me some gossip" (or something of the sort)
i typed he is dead
and got Maybe it's another person using his name.
to the question "who killed evan chan"
Sibling not yet born.
again asked, who killed evan chan
Not a robot. Probably a human. Maybe a celebrity?
I would do a search for it.</a>
how did evan chan die
Carefully.
have you killed
I think I have killed, but Dr. Richard S. Wallace may have reset my memory.
does this have anything to do with th emovie or what?

On the home page, in the upper left is the "Kn" logo, and below it a little vine and leaves graphic. This is a link to a page of words arranged horizontally and vertically. Here it is, with the verticals normalized. Pretty far out, eh?
<br>
03
03
42
33
mixing
mountain and
sea
where are
you? where
are you where
are you?
is somethin
g that
happens
to
everythi
ng
infection is in everything
There is infection in everything.
22/05/42
22/05/42
CRUSHING
Here.
Here.
Crushing requires a crushing mood.
Holding down the pillow
Crossing a ford
5
4
knowing disintegration
stabbing the face
2
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first time im posting a message here :).. so, sorry if u guyz already talked about or knew this... but if u load the "first" clue page (jeanine's page at the unverisity)... scroll all the way down to the page... look at the bottom left corner... (try doing this when the page is loading...), you should see david's eyes blink like in the AI movie trailer/previews (it only happens once i think.. so it is easy to miss)... just curious if anyone notice anything like this in the other pages or whatever ^_^

I really doubt I am the first one to notice this, but I was just checkin the latest trailer that pops up at www.aimovie.com and at the end credits, you know how you see little twinkling lights that light up and then you see Jeanine Salla name light up? Well have you noticed all the twinkles that showup before and after her name? At first glance it looks like a whole mess of letters from people's names in the credits are randomly light up...but check this out: Theres a hidden message. The letters light up in this order:
W A R N H E R J E A N I N E S A L L A E V A N D I E D S I N N I N G
put the proper letters together and you get...
WARN HER
JEANINE SALLA
EVAN DIED SINNING
Creepy huh? Anyone figure this clue out?

Most of the discussion about the clues within the credits in the trailer are from the website, but I have a question about the trailer seen on television. On the final frame, in red, is some sort of symbol just above where the rating would be. One time it looked like the symbol for Pi, the other time like a wave, and another time like a crown in a circle. I read about the letters in red in the credits. Do the symbols relate to the hidden message or something else?

Hey everyone!! Ok i don't know if this has been said but I found passwords to the 'eyes page' *** http://www.bangaloreworldu-in.co.nz/salla/default.html ***
Ok i came into this real late so i had NO idea where to start! but if you look fast at the bottom of the page there are a pair of eyes but the disappear fast - if you click on them it takes you to the 'eyes page' where they want a LOGIN and SECRET -- well i was looking through the source code and after about an hour of trying stuff i found a site with logins in the source code here ***
<html>
<head>
<title>Sophia1</title>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
<!--- javascript ---->
</head>
<body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000" >
<!--- form: recieved values and is submitted by top frame ---->
<form action="x.asp" method="post" name="form1">
<input type="hidden" name="lgn" value="">
<input type="hidden" name="c" value="">
<input type="hidden" name="d" value="">
</form>
</body>
</html>
I typed the first one in and it took me somewhere -- i have no idea -- this is WAY over me sorry -- hopefully nobodies said anything before! good luck!

Has anyone tried pulling the tiny, random gray pics off the websites and putting them together (they have names like "left_ear", "thumb")? I'm about to start working on that.
Plus, I saw a little note in red at the very end of the trailer-- I missed the first part, but the rest of it read "This is not a game". I'm sorry if anyone's posted on these already-- I tried to read everything, but it's a lot!
Bebe

Guys, try going to cloudmakers.org and www.groups.yahoo.com/group/cloudmakers
there we are all trying to figure out all of the puzzles of this murder mystery of Evan Chan, we have many puzzles solved but some of them are not, like the one someone said above, about some pieces being scattered around the web-sites, well that's the "Loki pieces puzzle", it was loki, some AI or robot, that exploded and got scattered all over the web-sites, to get more info about everything go to cloudmakers.org and look at the trail, that is all of the stuff they have solved and all of the e-mails and phone numbers and phone messages found and faxes, and everything you need to solve this mystery, check it out!
I was guessing you guys didn't know about this becuase you are talking about stuff that we have already solved and stuff, like the eyes that open in Jeanine's web-site, well if you click on them another window opens, and that is another puzzle! it's called "Eliza's tea room puzzle!"
you should really check out the URLs I told you and get into the game!

in the new Tralier on quick time 06.12.01
http://www.apple.com/trailers/wb/ai_trailer.html
I got this form the end text
warnherjeaninesallaevendiedsinningoesjune2
OR
warnher jeanine salla even died sinning oes june 2
hope you can use it.....

Apparently you get to meet Sophia, whom I guess is kipnapped by this childish little robot.
She hates brothers, but likes sisters (though she has to be smarter). You're always going to have RED eyes regardless, and I think she likes BROWN hair? Other than that, she doesn't say much?
But she likes 'politeness', that's for sure!:)
(I'd have a better time rationalising with Kathy Bate's character in Misery;))

I know there has already been a solution for the mystery of the elements, but all this talk about #'s and codes has got me thinking. IF you take the numbers associated with each element and follow the math problem the answer is 410. That could be part of the code.