What are peoples thoughts on the new Super Class discs & how do they relate to "real" Disc Golf? - www.DiscGolfersR.Us2015-03-31T18:12:07Zhttp://discgolfer.ning.com/forum/topics/what-are-peoples-thoughts-on?feed=yes&xn_auth=noi dont have a problem with th…tag:discgolfer.ning.com,2008-12-01:1809917:Comment:14429342008-12-01T20:49:15.673ZAuSSiehttp://discgolfer.ning.com/profile/AuSDiscgolfer
i dont have a problem with the PDGA bringing in this new leage but if they are doing this to promote or make the sport easier for people to play i think that maybe rather than having a super leage then maybe they should have a 150 class or lighter. I think the word disc golf relates to the shape and flight of what we throw now. I guess they could call the new leage Frolf.
i dont have a problem with the PDGA bringing in this new leage but if they are doing this to promote or make the sport easier for people to play i think that maybe rather than having a super leage then maybe they should have a 150 class or lighter. I think the word disc golf relates to the shape and flight of what we throw now. I guess they could call the new leage Frolf. Hootie said:Ryne, I dont agre…tag:discgolfer.ning.com,2008-12-01:1809917:Comment:14428792008-12-01T20:34:49.276ZRynehttp://discgolfer.ning.com/profile/Ryne
<cite>Hootie said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://discgolfer.ning.com/forum/topics/what-are-peoples-thoughts-on?page=1&amp;commentId=1809917%3AComment%3A1442270&amp;x=1#1809917Comment1441415"><div>Ryne, I dont agree. Other sports have different classes within the one sport, and it has not negatively affected the sport (look at archery, you have compound shooters, recurve shooters, barebow shooters, longbow shooters, then you have target, field and bowhunting!). The one argument that I think may…</div>
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<cite>Hootie said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://discgolfer.ning.com/forum/topics/what-are-peoples-thoughts-on?page=1&amp;commentId=1809917%3AComment%3A1442270&amp;x=1#1809917Comment1441415"><div>Ryne, I dont agree. Other sports have different classes within the one sport, and it has not negatively affected the sport (look at archery, you have compound shooters, recurve shooters, barebow shooters, longbow shooters, then you have target, field and bowhunting!). The one argument that I think may be valid (at least where disc golf is very popular) is that it MAY increase wait times at tees, which would suck a bit. But lets give this new variation of disc golf a "fair go" before we start rejecting it out of hand. Lets see what US (the disc golf community) feel about it, after all its up to us as to whether we like it or not, and ultimately whether or not it will flourish or die. What will divide disc golfers is if some of us reject Super Class without even giving it a chance, as then there'll be problems between the two groups, which IS something we want to avoid.<br/> <br/>
Maybe go and have a throw before we reject this idea, I know that I for one can appreciate a huge 50-foot gliding approach shot that seems to hang in the sky forever just as much as I enjoy watching a huge ripping 500 foot drive! The PDGA would not be supporting it unless at least some of its members are supporting it, so someone must be pushing to get this class introduced.<br/>
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And as for that talk about the future of disc golf, I agree that it looks like the sport is going longer and longer, but I know I love having to THINK about my throw if I have a difficult lie, and tighter technical holes force you to do this more often, and to practice throws like thumbers, tomahawks, rollers, skip shots, grenades, etc. Also, players who may not have the strength to throw long distances or are just starting out in the sport may not be able to get the huge distance required to play these longer courses, which means that they will get discouraged quicker and maybe give the sport away, which is another thing we have to be careful to avoid. There'll always be a place for shorter, tighter and more technical courses, and it adds variety to the sport, which makes it more interesting for everyone. From what I've heard, in the Japan Open you're only allowed to throw 150-class discs, and a lot of the worlds top pros play that tournament, so different classes are already within disc golf, this is just a new option for people to try.<br/>
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And by the way Steve, about ball golf using bigger balls and clubs to entice younger players? Do a google search for SUPA GOLF..... and it is pretty popular over here.<br/>
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Why do we have to reject something without even trying it? Also, disc golf (especially in the Open Division) IS getting more and more like ball golf.... watch some of the DVDs and you'll see long, well-manicured fairways and mostly pretty wide open holes (exactly like ball golf). Is it such a crime if a group of players want to put the focus back on accuracy rather than who can throw the longest? I don't know whether I will be a regular Super Classer or not (I'll let you know once I've thrown them a bit), but I'm not going to criticise a new initiative before I have a chance to try it and THEN judge it on its merits.</div>
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I agree with you that we (the DG Community) will ultimately decide the future of Super Class and the role that it plays in the sport. And also like you, I appreciate a perfectly executed, tight lined upshot almost more than a huge crush. I live on top of a mountain and all the courses we have up here are tightly wooded, I cringe to think about a future where distance and power are more important than technique I rarely pump a drive past 380, I was simply voicing the opinions of many new players I have talked to on the course about why they got hooked on disc.<br />
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No matter what the future, I'll keep hukin and let the community as a whole decide where the sport goes Thanks Zach for clearing up y…tag:discgolfer.ning.com,2008-12-01:1809917:Comment:14425952008-12-01T19:01:07.563ZMongoosehttp://discgolfer.ning.com/profile/Tim65
Thanks Zach for clearing up your position. I think I understand what you're saying now, and have to say that I agree with you and your assesment of future course design. I for one would love to see courses that vary between short techinical holes and long drives.<br />
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Though it might not have been clear earlier, I don't really have an opinion on Super Golf one way or the other except to say that I won't be going out of my way to try it out or learn more about it. My comments were more in reaction…
Thanks Zach for clearing up your position. I think I understand what you're saying now, and have to say that I agree with you and your assesment of future course design. I for one would love to see courses that vary between short techinical holes and long drives.<br />
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Though it might not have been clear earlier, I don't really have an opinion on Super Golf one way or the other except to say that I won't be going out of my way to try it out or learn more about it. My comments were more in reaction to the thought of moving the sport into the "pay to play" genre that traditional golf is in.<br />
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Thanks to everyone who has been so informative! i agree with hootie, a little…tag:discgolfer.ning.com,2008-12-01:1809917:Comment:14422702008-12-01T17:23:40.304ZDC ( DISCFUNCTIONAL CHRIS )http://discgolfer.ning.com/profile/CHRISKERR
i agree with hootie, a little tollerence of something new isnt to much to ask, as a diehard disc golfer i will be the first to admitt that personally i dont have nor probably will i ever have the urge to play super golf, although i can see the appeal that it might have to some people, say older folks or real young players or ladys, as far as longer waiting times on the teepads for groups of super golf players to play out, i dont think you are going to see a big explosion of players taking to…
i agree with hootie, a little tollerence of something new isnt to much to ask, as a diehard disc golfer i will be the first to admitt that personally i dont have nor probably will i ever have the urge to play super golf, although i can see the appeal that it might have to some people, say older folks or real young players or ladys, as far as longer waiting times on the teepads for groups of super golf players to play out, i dont think you are going to see a big explosion of players taking to super golf in a way that it is going to slow up play for everyone else on a consistant basis, lets face it, i dont know how it is for all of you at your local courses but here in ohio most days you almost own the course when you go play, even weekends there might be 5 to 7 groups of players out on the course tops, so i feel like, hey if it brings more people to the sport and gives the parks another reason to keep putting in new courses or maintaining the ones we have, well i am all for it ! Thanks for the responses, I j…tag:discgolfer.ning.com,2008-12-01:1809917:Comment:14417462008-12-01T14:56:46.744ZZach Richerhttp://discgolfer.ning.com/profile/ZR
Thanks for the responses, I just wanted to hear what people had to say about all this. I in no way meant to suggest that courses need to be wide open &amp; less technical. We need courses that require every shot in the bag, smart course design with technical upshots, Winthrop Gold comes to mind. Disc Golf will never be just Golf with a Frisbee, our sport is fundamentally different in many ways. No one wants our future courses to be just long wide-open fairways, we simply need to realize that…
Thanks for the responses, I just wanted to hear what people had to say about all this. I in no way meant to suggest that courses need to be wide open &amp; less technical. We need courses that require every shot in the bag, smart course design with technical upshots, Winthrop Gold comes to mind. Disc Golf will never be just Golf with a Frisbee, our sport is fundamentally different in many ways. No one wants our future courses to be just long wide-open fairways, we simply need to realize that these new longer courses require a true disc golf course designer with real talent. Graduated tee boxes will help keep these courses enjoyable &amp; competitive for different abilities. Just as bringing new AMs to the sport will help grow the game which ultimately benefits the worlds top pros. Having world class courses to showcase the true talents &amp; complexities of disc golf would hopefully further legitimize the game we love, as well as, inch us toward the chance of making a living throwing discs. Just as in ball golf, not everyone has dreams of making it big on the pro tour but, when we begin to see bigger money in the sport, players of all skill levels will benefit.<br />
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<cite>Zach said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://discgolfer.ning.com/forum/comment/show?id=1809917%3AComment%3A1441677&amp;xn_out=json&amp;firstPage=1&amp;lastPage=1&amp;_=1228141700266&amp;xg_token=bad3a1c3d1877c85e7cee2bd17600bd7#1809917Comment1441677"><div><cite>Mongoose said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://discgolfer.ning.com/forum/topics/what-are-peoples-thoughts-on#1809917Comment1441135"><div><cite>Bill Burns said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.discgolfersr.us/forum/topics/what-are-peoples-thoughts-on#1809917Comment1441033"><div>Until we get to the point where most DG courses are not guests of the local park dept or state park system, and we have true, exclusive, pay to play courses, using these SC discs will help bring back the art of the approach</div>
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Does anyone really want to see exclusive pay to play courses? I certainly don't. One of the biggest draws of the sport is the extreme accessability of it. For my friends and I the idea of disc golf as an "every-man (or woman)" sport that only required one disc to play was the most appealing thing. Now I don't know anything about these Super Class discs, what they are, and how they differ from the popular discs. If someone would be willing to enlighten me that would be cool.<br/>
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Correct me if I'm wrong, Zach. In your initial post it seems like you think the future of the game is going to rest strictly in wide open, long driving fairways, that wooded courses are unnecessarily complex? provide distance killing obstacles? I'm just trying to understand what you're saying, because if I'm right and you're right then disc golf is going to turn out to be golf with a frisbee. In that case what would be the point of the sport? Why not just pick up a set of clubs and Tiger it up at your local country club?<br/>
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In my opinion golf is boring, but worse yet exclusive and inaccessible to many. So if things turn out that way, if disc golf courses abandon the balanced mix of high and low par holes, open drives and obstacles in favor of exclusively long open drives on courses where I will have to be a paying member to play I will toss my discs into the nearest water hazzard and quit. And I don't think that would be the future of disc golf, I think that would be the death of it.</div>
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<cite>Mongoose said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://discgolfer.ning.com/forum/topics/what-are-peoples-thoughts-on#1809917Comment1441135"><div><cite>Bill Burns said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.discgolfersr.us/forum/topics/what-are-peoples-thoughts-on#1809917Comment1441033"><div>Until we get to the point where most DG courses are not guests of the local park dept or state park system, and we have true, exclusive, pay to play courses, using these SC discs will help bring back the art of…</div>
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<cite>Mongoose said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://discgolfer.ning.com/forum/topics/what-are-peoples-thoughts-on#1809917Comment1441135"><div><cite>Bill Burns said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.discgolfersr.us/forum/topics/what-are-peoples-thoughts-on#1809917Comment1441033"><div>Until we get to the point where most DG courses are not guests of the local park dept or state park system, and we have true, exclusive, pay to play courses, using these SC discs will help bring back the art of the approach</div>
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Does anyone really want to see exclusive pay to play courses? I certainly don't. One of the biggest draws of the sport is the extreme accessability of it. For my friends and I the idea of disc golf as an "every-man (or woman)" sport that only required one disc to play was the most appealing thing. Now I don't know anything about these Super Class discs, what they are, and how they differ from the popular discs. If someone would be willing to enlighten me that would be cool.<br/>
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Correct me if I'm wrong, Zach. In your initial post it seems like you think the future of the game is going to rest strictly in wide open, long driving fairways, that wooded courses are unnecessarily complex? provide distance killing obstacles? I'm just trying to understand what you're saying, because if I'm right and you're right then disc golf is going to turn out to be golf with a frisbee. In that case what would be the point of the sport? Why not just pick up a set of clubs and Tiger it up at your local country club?<br/>
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In my opinion golf is boring, but worse yet exclusive and inaccessible to many. So if things turn out that way, if disc golf courses abandon the balanced mix of high and low par holes, open drives and obstacles in favor of exclusively long open drives on courses where I will have to be a paying member to play I will toss my discs into the nearest water hazzard and quit. And I don't think that would be the future of disc golf, I think that would be the death of it.</div>
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Well, maybe with Super Class there would not need to be as many different player classes, which would make things less complicated for TDs and player alike, and may also decrease instances of sandbagging as well. It sounds like Super Class is taking the focus off raw power and strength, and replacing it with accuracy and "touch". This starts to level the playing field, and may mean that eventually women and men could compete equally for the same prizes in Super Class. Its funny, all the disc…
Well, maybe with Super Class there would not need to be as many different player classes, which would make things less complicated for TDs and player alike, and may also decrease instances of sandbagging as well. It sounds like Super Class is taking the focus off raw power and strength, and replacing it with accuracy and "touch". This starts to level the playing field, and may mean that eventually women and men could compete equally for the same prizes in Super Class. Its funny, all the disc golfers I've spoken to complain about how few women play, but when a class tries to establish itself that could possibly mean that women may not be so intimidated by the "bigger tougher" men (which might mean a LOT more female players), we get all these people complaining about it?<br />
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I would love to hear what some of the lady disc golfers think about the Super Class, and the pros (both male and female) as well. Ryne said:If super class DG b…tag:discgolfer.ning.com,2008-12-01:1809917:Comment:14414332008-12-01T12:15:42.014ZOLIhttp://discgolfer.ning.com/profile/OLI
<cite>Ryne said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.discgolfersr.us/forum/topics/what-are-peoples-thoughts-on#1809917Comment1441215"><div>If super class DG becomes more popular it will do two things: It will create a divide in the DG community between Super Classers and those that prefer the standard version. It will also take away from some of the excitement that new players feel the first time they see a huge drive because there may be more people using super class discs. Super Class discs…</div>
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<cite>Ryne said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.discgolfersr.us/forum/topics/what-are-peoples-thoughts-on#1809917Comment1441215"><div>If super class DG becomes more popular it will do two things: It will create a divide in the DG community between Super Classers and those that prefer the standard version. It will also take away from some of the excitement that new players feel the first time they see a huge drive because there may be more people using super class discs. Super Class discs are associated with the beach and college campuses, using true golf discs takes the sport away from this preconception about frisbee being a game and shows people that there is a serious flying disc "sport" (no offense to ultimate players, your pure athleticism helps you give off the "sport" vibe.)<br/><br/>Growing Super Class disc golf will make DG more like ball golf, will create a negative divide in the DG community, will take away from the excitement of the sport and will blur the line between frisbee games and disc sports robbing DG of some of the true sport credibility that we have all attempted to bring to the game.</div>
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Yeah! What he said. Why the hell do we need anything else? It is hard enough to promote the game down here, let alone having two forms of the same game running side by side.<br />
I do believe however, that most disc golfers who enjoy the current game, will not embrace super class. Who wants to throw shorter distances? Not me. http://pdga.com/super-class…tag:discgolfer.ning.com,2008-12-01:1809917:Comment:14414282008-12-01T12:09:13.867ZMike Inschohttp://discgolfer.ning.com/profile/MikeInscho
<a href="http://pdga.com/super-class">http://pdga.com/super-class</a><br />
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Here's PDGA info on the new super class if anyone's interested in reading about it. I say let's give it a fair go. The more people promoting the sport, the more disc golf is going to become known<br />
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<a href="http://pdga.com/super-class">http://pdga.com/super-class</a><br />
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Here's PDGA info on the new super class if anyone's interested in reading about it. I say let's give it a fair go. The more people promoting the sport, the more disc golf is going to become known<br />
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Take it easy. Ryne, I dont agree. Other spo…tag:discgolfer.ning.com,2008-12-01:1809917:Comment:14414152008-12-01T12:02:23.063ZHootiehttp://discgolfer.ning.com/profile/Hootie
Ryne, I dont agree. Other sports have different classes within the one sport, and it has not negatively affected the sport (look at archery, you have compound shooters, recurve shooters, barebow shooters, longbow shooters, then you have target, field and bowhunting!). The one argument that I think may be valid (at least where disc golf is very popular) is that it MAY increase wait times at tees, which would suck a bit. But lets give this new variation of disc golf a "fair go" before we start…
Ryne, I dont agree. Other sports have different classes within the one sport, and it has not negatively affected the sport (look at archery, you have compound shooters, recurve shooters, barebow shooters, longbow shooters, then you have target, field and bowhunting!). The one argument that I think may be valid (at least where disc golf is very popular) is that it MAY increase wait times at tees, which would suck a bit. But lets give this new variation of disc golf a "fair go" before we start rejecting it out of hand. Lets see what US (the disc golf community) feel about it, after all its up to us as to whether we like it or not, and ultimately whether or not it will flourish or die. What will divide disc golfers is if some of us reject Super Class without even giving it a chance, as then there'll be problems between the two groups, which IS something we want to avoid.<br />
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Maybe go and have a throw before we reject this idea, I know that I for one can appreciate a huge 50-foot gliding approach shot that seems to hang in the sky forever just as much as I enjoy watching a huge ripping 500 foot drive! The PDGA would not be supporting it unless at least some of its members are supporting it, so someone must be pushing to get this class introduced.<br />
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And as for that talk about the future of disc golf, I agree that it looks like the sport is going longer and longer, but I know I love having to THINK about my throw if I have a difficult lie, and tighter technical holes force you to do this more often, and to practice throws like thumbers, tomahawks, rollers, skip shots, grenades, etc. Also, players who may not have the strength to throw long distances or are just starting out in the sport may not be able to get the huge distance required to play these longer courses, which means that they will get discouraged quicker and maybe give the sport away, which is another thing we have to be careful to avoid. There'll always be a place for shorter, tighter and more technical courses, and it adds variety to the sport, which makes it more interesting for everyone. From what I've heard, in the Japan Open you're only allowed to throw 150-class discs, and a lot of the worlds top pros play that tournament, so different classes are already within disc golf, this is just a new option for people to try.<br />
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And by the way Steve, about ball golf using bigger balls and clubs to entice younger players? Do a google search for SUPA GOLF..... and it is pretty popular over here.<br />
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Why do we have to reject something without even trying it? Also, disc golf (especially in the Open Division) IS getting more and more like ball golf.... watch some of the DVDs and you'll see long, well-manicured fairways and mostly pretty wide open holes (exactly like ball golf). Is it such a crime if a group of players want to put the focus back on accuracy rather than who can throw the longest? I don't know whether I will be a regular Super Classer or not (I'll let you know once I've thrown them a bit), but I'm not going to criticise a new initiative before I have a chance to try it and THEN judge it on its merits.