“Strong force” is a term used in physics to describe the force that holds particles together in the atomic nucleus and the force that holds quarks together in elementary particles. As the name implies, this is the strongest force known in nature. Scientists know it exists but not how it works. Thurman enlightens us with these ideas from the Buddha: “Buddha’s discovery is that the strong force in the universe is love. It is beings and things wishing to associate with each other, enjoying relativity and relationality… [I]f you go deep enough you’ll find the true nature of things beyond matter and mind and including both matter and mind. Reality is all right. It is goodness. It is happiness. It is freedom.” Love is the glue that holds us all together. Thurman points out that Jesus demonstrated the strong force of love, even defying death. In this far-ranging and exciting dialogue we touch on subjects including the life of the Dalai Lama, Jesus, ethics, generosity, despair, voting, activism, violence, peace, compassion, and mindfulness. The Dalai Lama as a multinational leader is calling for a spiritual and ethical revolution on this planet. Thurman encourages us not to despair:“The key thing is to make sure to go and vote and not accept despair and depression or that nothing we do will help… There is a syllogism people who think of themselves as radical and wanting to do the right thing should learn: ‘the lesser of evil equals less evil.’ How about that as a syllogism? That’s unassailable actually. The lesser of evil doesn’t mean everybody’s evil. It just means less evil and we need that always. Less evil is going toward goodness.”