Well, starting to get some real outback gear...got the boots, endorphins, the bindings, Dukes, better poles...now need the avi gear. Found the level 1 course Mark recommended in NH...its on MLK weekend, have to see if I can swing it but I really need it. And if I go to Killington this weekend...I'll have 2 days in...and there might even be hiking required.

The Dukes are heavy..but I wanted something that could hold...me..and they where $200.00 cheaper than other ones...I could always change them if I don't like them...anyway, I'm going to be able to hike easier than before.Outback...also a restaurant.Just checked the weight diff between the Fritschi and the Duke...10 oz. per pair..I can deal with that.

There's that old truism from backpacking: a pound on your foot is equivalent to 5 pounds on your back. An extra 10oz. here, and extra whatever for Endorphins over Adrenalins there, a slightly heavier ski than another option - it all adds up.

As far as needing Dukes to hold you...are you planning on dropping 60 footers in the side country?

kingslug wrote:The Dukes are heavy..but I wanted something that could hold...me..and they where $200.00 cheaper than other ones...I could always change them if I don't like them...anyway, I'm going to be able to hike easier than before.Outback...also a restaurant.Just checked the weight diff between the Fritschi and the Duke...10 oz. per pair..I can deal with that.

You could have done the barons. They are a little lighter. I've always thought that the dukes and barons were really side country bindings and not optimal for uphill travel. Of course, with what I've been told about Bobby Danger, perhaps there is no need for AT bindings and boots at all... of course,the rest of us are mere mortals.

kingslug wrote:Well ..the skis ar lighter than what I used to go on..the boots are 2 pounds lighter..not sure about the bindings compared to what I have now though...

Not for nothing, but i dont remember you being a lightweight. Are you planning on skiing these boots full time, or just for tours? If the former...you're going to overpower them i think..they arent ANYWHERE near the flex rating Garmont thinks they are.

Sorry dude...you're 140lbs soaking wet and havent had a new pair of boots in years. If i remember correctly the Quests you tried last season we're too much boot for you and have the near same "flex rating" that Garmont puts on the Endorphin...BIG difference. You couldnt even flex them. I call on Garmonts flex ratings. I went through testing quite a few pairs this last year...this is NOT plenty of boot if you're near 200lbs...can you learn to live with them? Yes...are there better boots for his weight? Totally...

Remember im the "gear junkie" not you....

EDIT: Sorry Garmont lists the endorphin as 130 flex...LOL....Quest is 120 flex...you couldnt flex the quest but the Garmont is 130...again... on Garmont.

Skidog wrote:EDIT: Sorry Garmont lists the endorphin as 130 flex...LOL....Quest is 120 flex...you couldnt flex the quest but the Garmont is 130...again... on Garmont.

The flex ratings are relative to each manufacturer's line of boots and only comparable within their line. You cannot compare flex index between different manufacturers. It's just like ski run difficulty ratings.

Skidog, you'll recall that my biggest complaint about the Quest boots was their upright stance and inability to adjust forward lean. Had I not been placed so upright, with my weight on my heels, the boot's flex would've been far less of an issue. As it were, I needed to constantly force those boots into a flexed position, something I simply could not do.

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