The following is an email from the manufacturer of the happy messenger:

Thanks for your interests on our vehicle. We have designated a dealer
for our vehicle in U.S.. If you would like to buy it, please contact
the deater by email: kkiley@... and the website is :
www.milesautomotive.com.
Best regards.
Wang Nan
TQEV

Offhand I can see no reason this future model is not presently for sale in the US, as NiMH models from the same Chinese manufacturer already appear to be in

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Offhand I can see no reason this "future" model is not presently for
sale in the US, as NiMH models from the same Chinese manufacturer
already appear to be in other countries. This is very reminiscent of
the Reva situation (DESIGNED in the US) where they had to twist
themselves into knots explaining why they couldn't bring to the US the
very best technology: apparently because WE WON'T LET THEM.

I don't have as much time as I'd like to think this out, but a few
things have sort of come to a head for me, so I'll do the best I can:

1. I'd like to see if I or someone else can make a project out of
tracking down if the NiMh model is for sale in other countries, and,
if so, how it is doing, and how it is performing.

2. I'd like to flesh out how NHTSA regulations are (it is alleged)
getting in the way of the NiMH faster models being made for sale here
in the US.

3. I'd like to make clear that while I set up this forum as a free
adjunct to EVWorld.com because I wanted a list-serve format for myself
and others, and I didn't think I should be burdened by having to play
host to a lot of "Bush this" and "Clinton that" generalized political
and governmental philosophy discussion, there are times when current
general affairs and governmental affairs do become very relevant to
our discussions of alt fuel vehicles, energy policy and such.

Furthermore, it is possible that my approach is simply wrong, and has
somewhat impeded discussion relevant to alt fuel vehicles, Energy
Policy and general environmental and policy discussions as they are
presented on the main connected website for this forum, EVWorld.com.
Since my work is simply donated, and I am human and make mistakes, I
am thinking that inevitably I and my fellow moderators will make
mistakes, but hopefully going forward it can be made clear that where
the discussions can be made relevant to the general themes and ideas
covered by Editor Bill Moore on EVWorld.com, then I think they can be
opened up.

In this case, we have several intersections of current affairs,
including the utterly deafening silence on the issue of getting better
alt fuel vehicles onto the roads in the US for several reasons.

One of the reasons is to lessen the flow of money to oil producing
Middle Eastern nations who are in turn, in various ways, funding
violence against Americans and American allies. This forum is open to
people worldwide and so it is not assumed that all readers will be
unhappy with the funding of violence against Americans, by American
consumers buying gas, but even in that case, the simple act of
logically defining and elucidating the hypocrisy and deafening
incompetent silence of American governmental policy and philosophy, in
this area, is perhaps worth doing.

Another reason that our government leaders should be concerned about
this Electric Vehicle issue is that many of them have over the years
paid lip-service to the issue of bringing "Free Market" philosophy and
practice to the USA. If they wish to be counted as actually following
up on this, and not as hypocrites to be recorded for all of history,
then they might want to get off their backsides and start looking into
and speaking about and taking action on such an example of a market
obstruction in the USA.

This is not the first NiMh powered highway capable vehicle that
somehow isn't available to American consumers, but I think we should
get on this a bit, track down who is making the NiMh batteries for the
good version (a major world manufacturer I think the Miles Automotive
site said.... or was that just the car?), and what is the status of
that vehicle outside of the US. Perhaps there are reviews in non-US
publications which give a good idea of the pros and cons.

Then, if anyone is talented with keeping track of such a legalistic
matter as how American laws regarding low and high speed vehicles, and
safety related laws, are being used as a pretext to keep out
better-mileage vehicles that would solve a host of problems
(political, environmental, etc.), then I think any such postings would
be appreciated.

This remark from the Green Car Congress comments section of the article on this particular electrical vehicle should clear everything up. Dear Doug Easter,

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This remark from the Green Car Congress "comments" section of the article on this particular electrical vehicle should clear everything up.

Dear Doug Easter,
Your nearest dealer can be found ion Yangliuqing China, about, go west on on I-90 until you reach water, the pass the Olympic National Park, until water again, then continue about 3000 miles west to North Korea, cross it and continue on water until you see Beitang, the continue another day or two until you find Tianjin. There ask any local for the dealer nearest to Seattle...
The six they sent to US and another six that they might have there would cover the demand you are helping to increase...

murdoch <murdoch@...> wrote: Offhand I can see no reason this "future" model is not presently for
sale in the US, as NiMH models from the same Chinese manufacturer
already appear to be in other countries. This is very reminiscent of
the Reva situation (DESIGNED in the US) where they had to twist
themselves into knots explaining why they couldn't bring to the US the
very best technology: apparently because WE WON'T LET THEM.

I don't have as much time as I'd like to think this out, but a few
things have sort of come to a head for me, so I'll do the best I can:

1. I'd like to see if I or someone else can make a project out of
tracking down if the NiMh model is for sale in other countries, and,
if so, how it is doing, and how it is performing.

2. I'd like to flesh out how NHTSA regulations are (it is alleged)
getting in the way of the NiMH faster models being made for sale here
in the US.

3. I'd like to make clear that while I set up this forum as a free
adjunct to EVWorld.com because I wanted a list-serve format for myself
and others, and I didn't think I should be burdened by having to play
host to a lot of "Bush this" and "Clinton that" generalized political
and governmental philosophy discussion, there are times when current
general affairs and governmental affairs do become very relevant to
our discussions of alt fuel vehicles, energy policy and such.

Furthermore, it is possible that my approach is simply wrong, and has
somewhat impeded discussion relevant to alt fuel vehicles, Energy
Policy and general environmental and policy discussions as they are
presented on the main connected website for this forum, EVWorld.com.
Since my work is simply donated, and I am human and make mistakes, I
am thinking that inevitably I and my fellow moderators will make
mistakes, but hopefully going forward it can be made clear that where
the discussions can be made relevant to the general themes and ideas
covered by Editor Bill Moore on EVWorld.com, then I think they can be
opened up.

In this case, we have several intersections of current affairs,
including the utterly deafening silence on the issue of getting better
alt fuel vehicles onto the roads in the US for several reasons.

One of the reasons is to lessen the flow of money to oil producing
Middle Eastern nations who are in turn, in various ways, funding
violence against Americans and American allies. This forum is open to
people worldwide and so it is not assumed that all readers will be
unhappy with the funding of violence against Americans, by American
consumers buying gas, but even in that case, the simple act of
logically defining and elucidating the hypocrisy and deafening
incompetent silence of American governmental policy and philosophy, in
this area, is perhaps worth doing.

Another reason that our government leaders should be concerned about
this Electric Vehicle issue is that many of them have over the years
paid lip-service to the issue of bringing "Free Market" philosophy and
practice to the USA. If they wish to be counted as actually following
up on this, and not as hypocrites to be recorded for all of history,
then they might want to get off their backsides and start looking into
and speaking about and taking action on such an example of a market
obstruction in the USA.

This is not the first NiMh powered highway capable vehicle that
somehow isn't available to American consumers, but I think we should
get on this a bit, track down who is making the NiMh batteries for the
good version (a major world manufacturer I think the Miles Automotive
site said.... or was that just the car?), and what is the status of
that vehicle outside of the US. Perhaps there are reviews in non-US
publications which give a good idea of the pros and cons.

Then, if anyone is talented with keeping track of such a legalistic
matter as how American laws regarding low and high speed vehicles, and
safety related laws, are being used as a pretext to keep out
better-mileage vehicles that would solve a host of problems
(political, environmental, etc.), then I think any such postings would
be appreciated.

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Apparently some one saw one in Santa Barbara ... I called the US office several times ... just a recording ... article on this particular electrical vehicle

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Apparently some one saw one in Santa Barbara ...

I called the US office several times ... just a recording

--- In evworld@yahoogroups.com, Lee Dekker <heprv@y...> wrote:
>
> This remark from the Green Car Congress "comments" section of the
article on this particular electrical vehicle should clear
everything up.
>
> Dear Doug Easter,
> Your nearest dealer can be found ion Yangliuqing China,
about, go west on on I-90 until you reach water, the pass the
Olympic National Park, until water again, then continue about 3000
miles west to North Korea, cross it and continue on water until you
see Beitang, the continue another day or two until you find
Tianjin. There ask any local for the dealer nearest to Seattle...
> The six they sent to US and another six that they might have
there would cover the demand you are helping to increase...

Lee Dekker

Last news release on the Co. website is from 2003. Not a good sign. http://www.qyev.com/english/gsdt/index.htm murdoch wrote:

murdoch <murdoch@...> wrote: Offhand I can see no reason this "future" model is not presently for
sale in the US, as NiMH models from the same Chinese manufacturer
already appear to be in other countries. This is very reminiscent of
the Reva situation (DESIGNED in the US) where they had to twist
themselves into knots explaining why they couldn't bring to the US the
very best technology: apparently because WE WON'T LET THEM.

I don't have as much time as I'd like to think this out, but a few
things have sort of come to a head for me, so I'll do the best I can:

1. I'd like to see if I or someone else can make a project out of
tracking down if the NiMh model is for sale in other countries, and,
if so, how it is doing, and how it is performing.

2. I'd like to flesh out how NHTSA regulations are (it is alleged)
getting in the way of the NiMH faster models being made for sale here
in the US.

3. I'd like to make clear that while I set up this forum as a free
adjunct to EVWorld.com because I wanted a list-serve format for myself
and others, and I didn't think I should be burdened by having to play
host to a lot of "Bush this" and "Clinton that" generalized political
and governmental philosophy discussion, there are times when current
general affairs and governmental affairs do become very relevant to
our discussions of alt fuel vehicles, energy policy and such.

Furthermore, it is possible that my approach is simply wrong, and has
somewhat impeded discussion relevant to alt fuel vehicles, Energy
Policy and general environmental and policy discussions as they are
presented on the main connected website for this forum, EVWorld.com.
Since my work is simply donated, and I am human and make mistakes, I
am thinking that inevitably I and my fellow moderators will make
mistakes, but hopefully going forward it can be made clear that where
the discussions can be made relevant to the general themes and ideas
covered by Editor Bill Moore on EVWorld.com, then I think they can be
opened up.

In this case, we have several intersections of current affairs,
including the utterly deafening silence on the issue of getting better
alt fuel vehicles onto the roads in the US for several reasons.

One of the reasons is to lessen the flow of money to oil producing
Middle Eastern nations who are in turn, in various ways, funding
violence against Americans and American allies. This forum is open to
people worldwide and so it is not assumed that all readers will be
unhappy with the funding of violence against Americans, by American
consumers buying gas, but even in that case, the simple act of
logically defining and elucidating the hypocrisy and deafening
incompetent silence of American governmental policy and philosophy, in
this area, is perhaps worth doing.

Another reason that our government leaders should be concerned about
this Electric Vehicle issue is that many of them have over the years
paid lip-service to the issue of bringing "Free Market" philosophy and
practice to the USA. If they wish to be counted as actually following
up on this, and not as hypocrites to be recorded for all of history,
then they might want to get off their backsides and start looking into
and speaking about and taking action on such an example of a market
obstruction in the USA.

This is not the first NiMh powered highway capable vehicle that
somehow isn't available to American consumers, but I think we should
get on this a bit, track down who is making the NiMh batteries for the
good version (a major world manufacturer I think the Miles Automotive
site said.... or was that just the car?), and what is the status of
that vehicle outside of the US. Perhaps there are reviews in non-US
publications which give a good idea of the pros and cons.

Then, if anyone is talented with keeping track of such a legalistic
matter as how American laws regarding low and high speed vehicles, and
safety related laws, are being used as a pretext to keep out
better-mileage vehicles that would solve a host of problems
(political, environmental, etc.), then I think any such postings would
be appreciated.