Comments on: The ever-changing NL Easthttp://natsinsider.com/2012/10/24/the-ever-changing-nl-east/
News, analysis and commentary from someone who has covered the Washington Nationals since Day 1Tue, 03 Mar 2015 22:35:33 +0000hourly1http://wordpress.com/By: Joe Seamheadhttp://natsinsider.com/2012/10/24/the-ever-changing-nl-east/comment-page-1/#comment-172247
Thu, 25 Oct 2012 00:26:46 +0000http://natsinsider.wordpress.com/2012/10/24/the-ever-changing-nl-east#comment-172247John C @ 6:13 p.m. To each their own. I think Cliff Lee was showing major signs of having too many miles in too short of a time. He was very inconsistant. Not quite as bad as Doc, but Lee's best days were yesterday. Honestly, I'm not too sure that Colbert isn't already showing signs of premature wear. Manuel leaves his pitchers in for too many pitches, too often.
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Thu, 25 Oct 2012 00:23:42 +0000http://natsinsider.wordpress.com/2012/10/24/the-ever-changing-nl-east#comment-172246There's a new thread on NI so no one is ever going to read this one.Still, I want to say how glad I am that Guillen is gone.Guillen said he loved Castro. In saying this, he was reflecting the beliefs of many Central/South Americans, who admired Castro because he stuck it to the United States.None of those Central/South Americans would ever read, "Against All Hope," the story of Armando Valladares, a Cuban freedom-fighter, who was tortured by Castro.Guillen, like many in the US, rejoiced in the works of Castro and the sexy Che Gueverra, ignoring the price in human blood, as long as the US was being diminished in the exchange.
]]>By: Theophilus T. S.http://natsinsider.com/2012/10/24/the-ever-changing-nl-east/comment-page-1/#comment-172223
Wed, 24 Oct 2012 22:27:18 +0000http://natsinsider.wordpress.com/2012/10/24/the-ever-changing-nl-east#comment-172223"NL and Faraz, you guys were joking about comp picks for Duke right? The only compensation we'll get if he walks is that a certain commenter won't be able to tout him for everything from LOOGY to No. 5 starter anymore."Cool. I'll take it.
]]>By: rogieshanhttp://natsinsider.com/2012/10/24/the-ever-changing-nl-east/comment-page-1/#comment-172222
Wed, 24 Oct 2012 22:26:01 +0000http://natsinsider.wordpress.com/2012/10/24/the-ever-changing-nl-east#comment-172222JD said, "There is nothing wrong with John Lannan or Zack Duke for the no. 5 slot…"The fact Jackson was signed last spring and then Wang was given every opportunity to secure the fifth spot suggest the team prefers to have at least one starter with previous playoff experience who can serve both as a veteran presence and a workhorse in the rotation. Unfortunately, neither Lannan nor Duke quite fit that profile. As Tcostant pointed out, the only way a team receives draft compensation is if it makes a qualifying offer of at least 13.5 mil (one year) to its free agent as determined by "averaging the top 125 players salaries from the previous year".
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Wed, 24 Oct 2012 22:13:46 +0000http://natsinsider.wordpress.com/2012/10/24/the-ever-changing-nl-east#comment-172220Joe Seamhead said… Don@3:09 p.m.To start with, the Utley experiment at 3B is already over.It wasn't working. Secondly. Victorino is at best a 2nd tierplayer.Halladay's best is yesterday's news, and have you looked at Lee's stats from last year?Don't kid yourself – Cliff Lee was very, very good last year. Don't be fooled by the W/L record – that was on the Phillie offense, not on Lee. Lee finished with 211 IP with a 3.16 ERA, 1.114 WHIP, 8.8 K/9 and only 1.1 BB/9. His ERA+ was 127, right behind the 17-6 Cole Hamels. Both Hamels and Lee had a bWAR of 4.2 (Gio's was 4.5, Zimmermann 4.4).The Phillies have problems, but Cliff Lee isn't one of them.
]]>By: DaveBhttp://natsinsider.com/2012/10/24/the-ever-changing-nl-east/comment-page-1/#comment-172218
Wed, 24 Oct 2012 22:08:22 +0000http://natsinsider.wordpress.com/2012/10/24/the-ever-changing-nl-east#comment-172218swami …Yes, Victorino was just a rental that bombed in LA. I assume that when they got him they intended to try to extend him, but then 2 things happened:1. He sucked2. They had to take Carl Crawford to get Adrian Gonzales in the Boston trade, so now their OF is full.
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Wed, 24 Oct 2012 21:35:21 +0000http://natsinsider.wordpress.com/2012/10/24/the-ever-changing-nl-east#comment-172217Sorry, Joe — hard to keep track of the players without a constantly changing scorecard. Sounded like Don was including him in the Phils picture. I agree with you on Victorino , he is not the player he once was. Seems like quite of few of those guys went from prime players to broken down veterans really, really fast.They got rid of Pence in a hurry and he has landed in a good place. Even though Howard isn't old, that foot injury was very severe and he looked very awkward all season. I think they rushed him back – I don't even like the Phils but it scared me to watch him run. So Victorino was just a rental to help the dodgers make the playoffs and then they didn't?
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Wed, 24 Oct 2012 21:26:32 +0000http://natsinsider.wordpress.com/2012/10/24/the-ever-changing-nl-east#comment-172214NL and Faraz, you guys were joking about comp picks for Duke right? The only compensation we'll get if he walks is that a certain commenter won't be able to tout him for everything from LOOGY to No. 5 starter anymore.
]]>By: Section 222http://natsinsider.com/2012/10/24/the-ever-changing-nl-east/comment-page-1/#comment-172212
Wed, 24 Oct 2012 21:16:30 +0000http://natsinsider.wordpress.com/2012/10/24/the-ever-changing-nl-east#comment-172212No refund on NLCS for me yet either. I do have the suitable for framing tickets though. I'm still weighing whether to accept compensation picks.
]]>By: Joe Seamheadhttp://natsinsider.com/2012/10/24/the-ever-changing-nl-east/comment-page-1/#comment-172211
Wed, 24 Oct 2012 21:12:27 +0000http://natsinsider.wordpress.com/2012/10/24/the-ever-changing-nl-east#comment-172211Give me a break, Swami. I know Victorino is a Dodger. Doc mentioned Victorino as a Fish possibility. He is a free agent if I'm not mistaken. My point is/was that Victorino isn't a player that would make me shake in my boots if he signed with the Marlins, or any other team in our division.
]]>By: bowdenballhttp://natsinsider.com/2012/10/24/the-ever-changing-nl-east/comment-page-1/#comment-172209
Wed, 24 Oct 2012 20:59:53 +0000http://natsinsider.wordpress.com/2012/10/24/the-ever-changing-nl-east#comment-172209Fangraphs ranked David Price at #20 in all of baseball in their annual trade value rankings back in July. That's one spot ahead of Gio, who is under club control at a reasonable price with no arbitration eligibility through 2018. I can't see us matching the offers that others will throw at the Ray for Price, certainly not after what we lost in the Gio deal. Just to pick one obvious trade partner: the Rangers have more money, a greater need and better high-end minor league talent.
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Wed, 24 Oct 2012 20:58:51 +0000http://natsinsider.wordpress.com/2012/10/24/the-ever-changing-nl-east#comment-172208So – Mike Morse is on twitter – he is serving on jury duty today. "What I did in the off season……" winner.
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Wed, 24 Oct 2012 20:58:35 +0000http://natsinsider.wordpress.com/2012/10/24/the-ever-changing-nl-east#comment-172207No refund for me on NLCS yet.No comp picks on Duke, read the Baseball America link above; no longer do you get more than one pick and you need to offer about $13.5M for 2013 in order to get a sandwich pick if they leave.
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Wed, 24 Oct 2012 20:57:57 +0000http://natsinsider.wordpress.com/2012/10/24/the-ever-changing-nl-east#comment-172206Dickey is lefty?
]]>By: Faraz Shaikhhttp://natsinsider.com/2012/10/24/the-ever-changing-nl-east/comment-page-1/#comment-172205
Wed, 24 Oct 2012 20:57:12 +0000http://natsinsider.wordpress.com/2012/10/24/the-ever-changing-nl-east#comment-172205'Moore, lombo, Brown, Flores, Cole' This many players to our division foes?Scooter, just talked with nationals box office. They asked me to search 'refunds' on nationals.com and click on first link. Leads me to http://washington.nationals.mlb.com/was/ticketing/postseason.jspApparently the earliest you get the refunds is next Monday. After issuing refunds, it takes additional 7-10 days so it will be a while before I get my money back. I wish they had let us know beforehand. Representative said that while buying, we were informed that refunds will happen after World Series so disqualified teams are actually ahead of schedule.
]]>By: perichttp://natsinsider.com/2012/10/24/the-ever-changing-nl-east/comment-page-1/#comment-172204
Wed, 24 Oct 2012 20:50:02 +0000http://natsinsider.wordpress.com/2012/10/24/the-ever-changing-nl-east#comment-172204Trade proposal-RA Dickey for multiple prospects including Moore, lombo, Brown, Flores, Cole. Mets need to rebuild and Dickey is in walk/option year.Again, wrong lefty. The Nats FO doesn't particularly trust sleight of hand pitching they go for power. Think David Price (per Drew). The Nats would never trade that many prospects for anything less than an almost Stras level sub 30's pitcher with team control.
]]>By: baseballswamihttp://natsinsider.com/2012/10/24/the-ever-changing-nl-east/comment-page-1/#comment-172203
Wed, 24 Oct 2012 20:48:30 +0000http://natsinsider.wordpress.com/2012/10/24/the-ever-changing-nl-east#comment-172203(Joe Seamhead via Don at 3:09 – victorino is a dodger.)I,personally, would have absolutely no problem having John Lannan as our fifth starter. He is turning into a "crafty " lefthander who can throw a lot of innings. I think that after four power pitchers, that kind of look would be different – look at what Zito did to the Cardinals lineup! We have the defense to support John Lannan now, we did not used to have it when he was our ACE. In a lot of respects John Lannan IS what you would get with Kyle Lohse. Contact pitchers can have rough games when the defense fails them and that's what happened to Lohse in the NLCS. We really don't need five # 1, power throwing, expensive arms. We could stand to have a mature, level-headed , sturdy pitcher out there every fifth day, who will take the ball and stay out there and navigate the game without a lot of drama. Livo, only younger and still good. He has learned a lot in the dark days, he is experienced and might even prove to be the leader that the starters need. Gio is just too , well, Gio. If we do get a new starter, I think it should be via trade and not a free agent that will suck a big piece of the budget dry. I have a feeling we will have a new one every year for a while. One year contracts until the young'uns are ready to come up.
]]>By: perichttp://natsinsider.com/2012/10/24/the-ever-changing-nl-east/comment-page-1/#comment-172202
Wed, 24 Oct 2012 20:46:50 +0000http://natsinsider.wordpress.com/2012/10/24/the-ever-changing-nl-east#comment-172202Thanks for posting the article on Purke Gonat.What that means is that two of the three Nats top lefties Solis, and Purke will be having rehab years with an innings limit. Seems likely both could end up spending most of their time in Harrisburg perhaps with an introduction in Potomac. Both spec out as starters.Robbie Ray was also in Potomac. He's the other top lefty. He could end up as a relief specialist … but he'll likely start in Potomac again. If he makes it to Harrisburg that would give the Nats three lefties on the cusp of the majors in 2013.
]]>By: Theophilus T. S.http://natsinsider.com/2012/10/24/the-ever-changing-nl-east/comment-page-1/#comment-172201
Wed, 24 Oct 2012 20:42:15 +0000http://natsinsider.wordpress.com/2012/10/24/the-ever-changing-nl-east#comment-172201The chances of Perry sneaking through waivers are zilch. In a league where Marco Estrada and Miguel Gonzalez are middle-of-the-rotation starters, there is a desperate shortage of pitchers. Didn't Ramon Ortiz get a shot w/ someone last year?
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Wed, 24 Oct 2012 20:41:09 +0000http://natsinsider.wordpress.com/2012/10/24/the-ever-changing-nl-east#comment-172200Nothing yet for me, Faraz.
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