O.K. first forgive me if this has been answered before but I tried to re-read the thread at 2am and now am confused:
Ihave SA from bronson labs and add it to o.j.diluted w/water and meand kids drink it down no problem....but .....bioflavanoid powder is ...well...,yuck: soooo, my question is can we get bioflaanoids from another source?
do we have to take it at the same time as SA???
when we are feelind sick and up our dose of SA do we up our dose of bioflavanoids or can we just forgo that for a few days???
thanks to whoever answers me and if it has been answered maybe just refer me to the page of the post
awsome thread

I take bioflavonoid pills--approx 1 g to every 5g SA. The pills I've got are each 1g, so in the morning when I take 2-3 g of my SA, I just cut the biofl. pill in half and figure it's close enough (and I always take it at the same time). I take more biofl. as I take more SA. It may not be as absorbable as powder, but it's the only form I've been able to find.

Don't know about the neon urine! That usually comes with the water soluable vitamins, such as the B group, because they're made with flourescent ingredients. Sorry can't help you more on that. http://cforyourself.com/

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Originally Posted by Just_Isabel

How fast does your body (bowels ) let you know when you overdose on vit C/Sodium Ascorbate?

Depends on how much your body needs at the time. Have a read of Cathcart's site:

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"In 1970, I discovered that the sicker a patient was, the more ascorbic acid he would tolerate by mouth before diarrhea was produced."

I've taken 40 GRAMS at one dose and NO watery stools what so ever. Other times I can take less and I'm running. The beauty of SA is that if you can taste the saltiness in your half a cup of water, then you probably are taking too much at that particular moment. If you can't taste it in the half cup of fresh water, then possibly it isn't enough. Keep adding little by little to your water until you just start to taste the saltiness... That's your cut off dose. However other times your body will need more, then another time less. The need is based on many factors. http://www.mall-net.com/cathcart/titrate.html
If you can get C-stix, then all the better. Once you measure urinary spillover, then you know your tissues have saturation levels. If I had C-stix I'd be better able to plan my day, not worrying about bowel titration at the wrong moment!the_1982_letter_on_vitamin_c_and_cancer

Wow, I've read through this thread with a great deal of interest. I've been wanting to get some C into my kids, and now I see that I should.

So, here's what I've learned. SA powder is the best and cheapest way to go, but the Natural Factors C500 fruit chews are an acceptable and convenient alternative.

My question (and please forgive if this seems way obvious to all you who already use the SA powder): If I order the SA powder, what I imagine getting is a box/bottle of, well...powder. People talk about giving so-and-so many grams, but how exactly do you measure that out? By the teaspoon? Do you weigh it somehow? A pinch?

I keep a 1/3 teaspoon measure in my container (I scoop some into a smaller container that I can keep out on the counter). 1/3 t. is roughly equivalent to 1 gram, according to the container. Different brands may measure slightly differently.
Deborah

I keep a 1/3 teaspoon measure in my container (I scoop some into a smaller container that I can keep out on the counter). 1/3 t. is roughly equivalent to 1 gram, according to the container. Different brands may measure slightly differently.
Deborah

Is there a gram per pound recommended starting dosage? I haven't read the whole thread...

My question (and please forgive if this seems way obvious to all you who already use the SA powder): If I order the SA powder, what I imagine getting is a box/bottle of, well...powder. People talk about giving so-and-so many grams, but how exactly do you measure that out? By the teaspoon? Do you weigh it somehow? A pinch?

If you order from Bronson, they include a scoop which equals 1 gram. Your pharmacy could probably give you one too.

Oh I get that totally - I just wasn't thinking right off the cuff when I wrote the original post... I was on my way out ther door trying to read this super long thread!! and trying to figure out what would be the best path to tak e with DS - I'll definately wait until I get it figured out... no tabs for DS!

I'm interested in reading more about making your own Sodium Ascorbate by mixing Ascorbic Acid powder with baking soda (sodium bicarb). What I did before (recommended by The Perfect Prescription For Your Teeth book) was mix 1 tsp of the ascorbic acid with 1/2 tsp of baking soda--then add an inch of water and letting it fizz, then adding 4-8 oz more water. Supposedly non-acid, and I've never had a problem drinking it that way. It tastes like flat mineral water.

But I read here earlier to mix it in a 1-1 ratio? Thats 1/2 tsp more baking soda than what I've been doing. Is that a problem? Am I not making proper SA, or is it an unbalanced mix? Thanks in advance!!

I have been using SA for a good while now but when I use it on my youngest who is 5 she always gets irritated in her private region. it will burn when she pees and her skin get real red. Have any of you had this problem at all.
thanks
amy

I've recently noticed this in myself--it makes me itchy. I've used several brands and it happens with all of them. And of course I just ordered 5 lbs of it from Bronson's!

Kellybelly - I made this post before about the chemistry of mixing sodium bicarb and ascorbic acid. One thing I didn't note was that in order to get the reaction to occur, it needs to be done in a solvent (water), but then it is necessarily diluted and needs to be dried, which is probably beyond what most of us can achieve at home. I guess when you m ix them dry, the reaction theoretically occurs in your belly, but with the pH being so low there, I amnot sure how it would proceed or if it would. Hmm, I should look into this further.

This is the run down on the correct ratios from the chemical standpoint though.

The ratio is one to one, but you must do it based upon molecular weight, as it is a molar ratio you are attempting to achieve.

Thus, you would use one mole of ascorbic acid to one mole of sodium bicarbonate.

To make one mole of sodium ascorbate, you would use 84 grams of sodium bicarb and 176 grams of the acid, for a total of 260.13 grams. The reaction yields 1 mole of sodium ascorbate, one mole of water (18 grams), and one mole of carbon dioxide (44 grams), so your total sodium ascorbate would be 198.13 grams.

So, if you were trying to make, say, a 100 gram solution, you would use approximately 32.3 grams sodium bicarb and 67.7 grams of ascorbic acid. (which is close to the 2:1 ratio mentioned by PP) The densities of the two components differs significantly enough that using simply a dry measuring system (instead of weights) would yield an inexact ratio unless you did the proper calculations and made corrections for that difference

MT~ If you're still reading this thread, I know I read somewhere that you take magnesium for a flipping heart, do you have another thread/link you can point me to for it? I'm having that problem alot lately.

I know I read somewhere that you take magnesium for a flipping heart, do you have another thread/link you can point me to for it? I'm having that problem alot lately.

I don't have a link, but I do know about taking mag for heart palps. I went to many doctors, including a cardiologist, took mulitiple tests, and they couldn't find anything wrong with my heart. Then I read here on MDC about taking mag supplements for palpitations. Sure enough, that was the problem (so much for medical wisdom). My heart jumps began shortly after giving birth, and it's obvious to me now that I'm losing too much mag through bfing, so I take about 800-900 mg a day. If I need more, my heart will tell me and I pop one. I tried many kinds of mag, but I've found that the cheaper mag oxide works just fine. Be careful with mag citrate--it's a serious laxative! Find your opti-dose in the same way as with SA, until you reach bowel tolerance. There's a great book that'll tell you more: The Miracle of Magnesium by Carolyn Dean.

O.K. Iv'e read that some babies get a reaction from SA in the diaper area....my question is,...is it possible for a child to be allergic to SA? like break out in hives??and if yes could this occur after taking it for some time or would it be immediate???ds broke out in hives today and itcould be from many different things , but I am hoping to rule SA out first , Ihave given him SA before and he had no reaction but today he broke out in hives about 1/2hour after drinking some SA.

Swirly, I don't need to be precise. A 2 to one ratio would be all I need to know.

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Originally Posted by JodiM

What a awesome thread!

Now, that I've read the whole thing~ I have a few questions.

The ratio is 1:5, for adults AND children, correct?

Also, is the Herpasin (sp?) the same as the bioflavnoids (sp?) ?

I don't know. I just use citrus bioflavinoids.

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MT~ If you're still reading this thread, I know I read somewhere that you take magnesium for a flipping heart, do you have another thread/link you can point me to for it? I'm having that problem alot lately.

I think you may find something on that in the nutrition thread up the top. The book mentioned is great. But a google search will find you a lot of information.

My husband has also commented that he is finding it a lot easier to get through a lot of physical work having been on magnesium for some time now. Far less cramp and "stiffness" in the morning as well.

“I want to sell drugs to everyone. I want to sell drugs to healthy people. I want drugs to sell like chewing gum.” former Merck CEO, Henry Gadsden

O.K. Iv'e read that some babies get a reaction from SA in the diaper area....my question is,...is it possible for a child to be allergic to SA? like break out in hives??and if yes could this occur after taking it for some time or would it be immediate???ds broke out in hives today and itcould be from many different things , but I am hoping to rule SA out first , Ihave given him SA before and he had no reaction but today he broke out in hives about 1/2hour after drinking some SA.

short answer.... who knows? Most people go through life being able to take antibiotics, but they will kill me.

The only way to find out, if you can't pin it to anything else, is to leave it a while, and try a small dose some time in the future if you wish to.

My son's girlfriend had an anaphylactic response while eating cereal one morning, which resulted in me having to take her to the local doctor and an ambulance trip to hospital. No-one could pin it down, she was assigned an epi-pen and for weeks wouldn't touch cereal. Eventually she tried it again, and was fine. The only other clue was that on the jacket she was wearing at breakfast, I found a substantial quantity of yellow pollen (she worked in a flower shop).

question, ~ what caused her anaphylaxis?

She's never had another attack since.

“I want to sell drugs to everyone. I want to sell drugs to healthy people. I want drugs to sell like chewing gum.” former Merck CEO, Henry Gadsden

Are you using non-corn, non-GMO SA? If it doesn't say so, it's probably corn-derived, and GMO. Some people have problems with corn-based products, and would have a problem with SA because of that. Nutribiotic makes one that is corn-free and non-GMO.

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Originally Posted by chevy974

I have been using SA for a good while now but when I use it on my youngest who is 5 she always gets irritated in her private region. it will burn when she pees and her skin get real red. Have any of you had this problem at all.
thanks
amy

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romans mum, here's the link for nutribiotic: http://www.nutribiotic.com/ (they make GSE too). I think it's the ascorbic acid that is corn derived. It's one of those allergy things they don't always tell you.

heres the posts about the corn derived SA and a link to the other type