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Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

Originally Posted by ecofarm

Perhaps he meant 'Americans'. The Iranian army/super-guard funds, supplies and trains terrorists in Iraq that target Americans as well as civilians. That's a fact, right? 'American interests' could also work regarding Hez, Hamas and who knows what in Africa and Pakistan.

please show us evidence of what you offer up as a "fact"

we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it ​

Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

Originally Posted by MoSurveyor

I said I wasn't going to discuss Vietnam but I guess I must regress to point out what should be an obvious fact. Vietnam was not North v South it was Russia v US. It was a proxy war. I mention it because this is how Iran conducts war. It supports organizations that do attack Israel and they have (almost) complete deniability using this strategy. I don't know if they would be stupid enough to pass on a nuke to their puppets but no one, least of all Israel, is going to take that chance.

No amount of pressure by the US is going to stop Israel, either, and it's wishful thinking to believe there will be some popular uprising in Israel to stop it. Israel doesn't want to invade Iran and won't. But they will surgically strike to remove an immanent threat of Iran building a nuke.

I disagree and stick to my earlier statements, Iran won't nuke Israel for the same reason they haven't attacked Israel in the past, because they are not suicidal. They know they would be turned into a smudge spot if they did. And if the President makes it clear that Israel would be on their own if the strike Iran, I think the majority of people in Israel opposed to a war with Iran will not allow an act of war against Iran.

We've been providing you with evidence as requested, now it's your turn. Where are the UN resolutions saying we are in violation of the NPT?

I've never claimed there were UN resolutions saying we were in violation of the NPT, I've just noted the facts that indicate we are.

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Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

Originally Posted by Catawba

I disagree and stick to my earlier statements, Iran won't nuke Israel for the same reason they haven't attacked Israel in the past, because they are not suicidal. They know they would be turned into a smudge spot if they did. And if the President makes it clear that Israel would be on their own if the strike Iran, I think the majority of people in Israel opposed to a war with Iran will not allow an act of war against Iran.

I referenced this in the blogs section, but worth noting:

The survey also asked whether Israel should strike against Iran’s nuclear facilities. Just 19 percent said Israel should make the move, even without the support of the U.S., while 42 percent said is should only strike with American support.

The University of Maryland/Dahaf Institute poll was conducted Feb. 22-26 among 500 Israelis, and has a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points.

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Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

Originally Posted by Proud South Korean

North Korea is not a threat to world peace?
Is this the new level, Cat?

Reading is fundamental. Here is what I said,

"Like with Iraq, Iran does not present a military threat to the US. I don't believe in going to war with a country that is not a threat to us. That has worked poorly when we did it in Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq.

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Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

Originally Posted by AdamT

I referenced this in the blogs section, but worth noting:

The survey also asked whether Israel should strike against Iran’s nuclear facilities. Just 19 percent said Israel should make the move, even without the support of the U.S., while 42 percent said is should only strike with American support.

The University of Maryland/Dahaf Institute poll was conducted Feb. 22-26 among 500 Israelis, and has a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points.

Thank you Adam, this supports what I was saying very well.

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Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

Iran won't nuke Israel for the same reason they haven't attacked Israel in the past

Considering Hez and Hamas, the above doesn't really work. It's like someone is trying to deny Iran is involved in attacks against Israel by playing on the reasoning that nuking is probably a bad idea. The statement is backwards thinking and presents an obviously untrue claim to all but the least educated.

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Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

Originally Posted by ecofarm

Considering Hez and Hamas, the above doesn't really work. It's like someone is trying to deny Iran is involved in attacks against Israel by playing on the reasoning that nuking is probably a bad idea. The statement is backwards thinking and presents an obviously untrue claim to all but the least educated.

By your reasoning, the US would then be responsible for the killing of innocent civilians by all those that we have provided funding to. In which case, we would be a bigger threat to innocent civilians around the world than Iran.

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"A poll released Thursday said that 81% of Israelis oppose a solo Israeli attack against Iran."

Isn't that what Adam's poll said?

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