Remember, folks, half of them are innocent - our own government said so - but still in Gitmo because, allegedly, no one will claim them. Every time you read something like this, remember that half of the folks on which these indignities and evils are committed, are as innocent as you or I.

Land of the free, my ass. Certainly not the home of the brave, not these days.

FormlessOne:Remember, folks, half of them are innocent - our own government said so - but still in Gitmo because, allegedly, no one will claim them. Every time you read something like this, remember that half of the folks on which these indignities and evils are committed, are as innocent as you or I.

Actually they're all innocent if they haven't had a trial. A silly ideal I know but it is written down somewhere.

FormlessOne:Remember, folks, half of them are innocent - our own government said so - but still in Gitmo because, allegedly, no one will claim them. Every time you read something like this, remember that half of the folks on which these indignities and evils are committed, are as innocent as you or I.

Land of the free, my ass. Certainly not the home of the brave, not these days.

The people we're holding who are innocent are from countries like Yemen, where it's easy to be radicalized. We're holding them because we think after being subjected to torture, confinement, and one indignity after another for a decade, they'll join the fight against us. We are literally keeping innocent people in prison because we've tortured them too much to let them go.

These guys have been there for a looong time. They are isolated on a marine base in a foreign country. Who the hell besides the guards would be bringing these guys contraband ?

Are these genital searches conducted between the periods of force feeding ?

How screwed up is that ? Many of these guys would prefer to die than continue to exist in that hell, so what do we do ? we say oh no you are going to continue to live in this hell we have created for you, we will forcibly keep you alive to continue to have you rot in our prison.

generallyso:Before someone inevitably chimes in about how Obama wanted to put an end to this whole mess, no he didn't. He just wanted to move the victims to a facility located in Illinois. The Obama Administration wholeheartedly supports imprisoning people for life without trial just like the Bush Administration.

Change you can step in.

And how many terrorists have we created who aren't there but are pissed that we're still holding people there? I can speculate too.

These guys have been there for a looong time. They are isolated on a marine base in a foreign country. Who the hell besides the guards would be bringing these guys contraband ?

Are these genital searches conducted between the periods of force feeding ?

How screwed up is that ? Many of these guys would prefer to die than continue to exist in that hell, so what do we do ? we say oh no you are going to continue to live in this hell we have created for you, we will forcibly keep you alive to continue to have you rot in our prison.

really really twisted stuff.

Unlike chopping off head of children and killing women for any reasons they like... but yea we are the bad ones now!!!

Can we just deal with these guys already? It's been ten years. Like the Deficit, the can will just keep getting kicked down the road. Are we really just going to wait until they die of old age? Give them a trial, military or civilian, I don't care which. Hell, accidentally leave the gate open and let them roam into Cuba.

Mugato:generallyso: Before someone inevitably chimes in about how Obama wanted to put an end to this whole mess, no he didn't. He just wanted to move the victims to a facility located in Illinois. The Obama Administration wholeheartedly supports imprisoning people for life without trial just like the Bush Administration.

Change you can step in.

And how many terrorists have we created who aren't there but are pissed that we're still holding people there? I can speculate too.

We wouldn't need to speculate if we could just vote some Democrats into control of the Legislative and Executive branches.

These guys have been there for a looong time. They are isolated on a marine base in a foreign country. Who the hell besides the guards would be bringing these guys contraband ?

Are these genital searches conducted between the periods of force feeding ?

How screwed up is that ? Many of these guys would prefer to die than continue to exist in that hell, so what do we do ? we say oh no you are going to continue to live in this hell we have created for you, we will forcibly keep you alive to continue to have you rot in our prison.

really really twisted stuff.

Unlike chopping off head of children and killing women for any reasons they like... but yea we are the bad ones now!!!

The folks who are responsible for acts like chopping off the heads of children are not the folks who have been deemed innocent by the Bush and Obama administrations. Those are the folks we are discussing. Not the folks who are actually deemed a threat. There are a lot of INNOCENT people being held there. They have been cleared for release. Those folks are not being released for political reasons. So you can make up BS about the people there but our own government does not agree with you assessment. So we have innocent men being held for over a decade who would prefer to die than continue to be held in cages while the US decides what to do with them. Instead of allowing them to die their way we are force feeding them in order to prolong their incarceration. If you don't find that f-d up I don't know what to tell you. These innocent men are not even allowed the sweet release of death.

Mugato:Has Obama ever been asked point blank why he hasn't closed Gitmo? Is the official reason really that they don't know what to do with the people?

Obama never wanted to close GITMO as mentioned above. He simply wanted to move it. Obama is as bad or worse than Bush. Bagram Air Force base is all him and they specifically setup the prison there to avoid any of the protections afforded to the guys at GITMO. They have argued that the SCOTUS rulings do not apply to the people held at Bagram. That was their end around on the topic. Obama orders US citizens to be extra-judiciously murdered, you really think he loses sleep about GITMO and the folks there ?

His administration could do much to move these guys but they have no desire. They even recently dismissed the staff whos job it was to try and find these guys places to go.

Joe Blowme:Unlike chopping off head of children and killing women for any reasons they like... but yea we are the bad ones now!!!

How many magnetic ribbons do you have on your SUV?

Even if every single prisoner there was guilty, the very existence of that place and the practices that go on there go against everything we claim to stand for. If you could drop the partisan bullshiat for a second, that should make you feel bad as an American.

kindms:Mugato: Has Obama ever been asked point blank why he hasn't closed Gitmo? Is the official reason really that they don't know what to do with the people?

Obama never wanted to close GITMO as mentioned above. He simply wanted to move it. Obama is as bad or worse than Bush. Bagram Air Force base is all him and they specifically setup the prison there to avoid any of the protections afforded to the guys at GITMO. They have argued that the SCOTUS rulings do not apply to the people held at Bagram. That was their end around on the topic. Obama orders US citizens to be extra-judiciously murdered, you really think he loses sleep about GITMO and the folks there ?

His administration could do much to move these guys but they have no desire. They even recently dismissed the staff whos job it was to try and find these guys places to go.

And yet few talk about the floating prisons on navel vessels. I suspect Diago Garcia has one (or two by now.) But shhhh the shame is probably bad enough already.

FormlessOne:Remember, folks, half of them are innocent - our own government said so - but still in Gitmo because, allegedly, no one will claim them. Every time you read something like this, remember that half of the folks on which these indignities and evils are committed, are as innocent as you or I.

Land of the free, my ass. Certainly not the home of the brave, not these days.

As no current Gitmo prisoners haven't been to trial yet, they are all presumed innocent.