Originally posted by sonofonehunlo
Why not get this crap over with as soon as possible.

Why not?

edit on 11-9-2012 by sonofonehunlo because: not correct.

Why not could be addressed by pointing out how casually you'd consign millions upon millions to their deaths. Tel Aviv is mere miles from Jerusalem
and the West Bank Border. You'll have successfully obliterated or hopelessly contaminated forever, the lands of most of the Arabs and almost all the
of Holy sites for 3 religions in the immediate area.

I want to know who is really posing a problem or threat to us at the moment ?
Is there any imminent threat to the US right now?
I think it would be a good thing for the US to pull back,let the middle east and all sort out they're own differences and we take care of our own for
awhile.

There absolutely IS a real and immediate threat to the United States right now but it's the one threat we are NOT allowed to even talk
about.

The Mexican Border.

I don't mean the migrant farmer or family man down on his luck, even if he's being pressed into service as a drug mule by the Cartels during his
hike across the desert to get here. I mean the Cartels themselves and everything they've spawned around them...from Los Zetas to MS-13 in Central
America, we have a very militant, organized and heavily armed 'economic' force which could turn to a national security threat in the time it takes
the leadership to decide we've pissed them off somehow and they want to teach us a lesson.

So sure.. There is a threat, but we have to ignore that one, apparently....because that legitimately needy migrant worker happens to be caught in the
middle of a Civil War moving north.

Because Israel has up to a couple of thousand nukes themselves. And Saudi Arabia is next door. Nuke Israel and their Samson doctrine kicks in. They
in turn nuke as many oil wells, oil ports, and pipelines as possible. The world economy crashes as gas spikes to over $50 a gallon. Starvation looms
as food prices spike to unheard of levels. And then the nuclear winter kicks in as all that middle eastern smoke gets into the atmosphere.

I've spent some time thinking about the 'what ifs' of this situation. (Disclaimer: I am not privy to any information that is not available toanyone
on the internet)

If Israel attacks Iran, I don't think Russia will do much. They are just a broke as almost everyone else and cannot sustain a conflict for any length
of time. Given the fact that most of Russia's nuclear scientists have migrated to other countries and given the age of Russian nukes, I wonder how
much of an operational nuclear arsenal they really have.

As I see it, the real problem is Iran's other ally: China. I expect China would seize upon the opportunity to achieve some of their goals in various
places around the world, the first of which would be the 'reunification' of Taiwan. The Chinese company Hutchinson-Wampoa owns the ports at both
ends of the Panama canal. Most American cities are within Medium Range Ballistic Missile range of these ports. While I don't think China would
launch, nuclear blackmail is a distinct possibility.

Just a passing FYI here..and I'm really too upset and sick over what's happened elsewhere in the last 24-36 hours to think much past what it means
for me and the future of many I love to get into big research efforts in tracking all this down again..

Having thrown that out for a uncharacteristically unsupported post, coming from me anyway, I wanted to add this to the thinking.

The Russian Federation has done an outstanding job of playing possum and appearing to be on the ropes and ready to hit the mat for the count. They're
always been masters as perception and controlling it. That's not changed a bit.

Specifically, Russia has turned out one boat in their new 21st century class of Ballistic Missile Submarine with a total of 10 planned to deploy in
the coming years. Putin has vowed to reestablish 24/7, year around blue water patrols with his 'Boomer' subs by the end of this year. They have
their next generation of both land based and sub based ballistic missiles for their nuclear forces...and they still have far more weapons on strictly
a count, than we do. Of course..what are numbers in THAT kind of war? So less bacteria and cockroaches survive here than there, right?

The important point here is though, they've been as hard at work on parity with Western forces for Strategic Bombers and fighters as well. All
without much fanfare and definitely without gawdy tours for the Media to gawk over their most prized state secrets. Oh, they're within agreements on
Arms control...barely...but their making sure what they have is bleeding edge to what is physically possible. You'll confirm all this with less than
an hour's solid research time..and from as many sources as you choose to really put time into. It's downright sobering.

The Bear has been in hibernation..and yes, downright ill since 1989...but it's waking now and it's feeling much much better for the long and quiet
period it's had to rest and recover from the near total collapse and ruin of the Cold War. Now WE are the ones that didn't know when to quite
spending...just as they once were. Now they are in a position to exploit our weakness...and as we once gloated in their faces, they've not forgotten
all these years later. I believe Vlad has some payback in mind..and it may come subtle by third party or it may come right in our faces. That part, I
believe, is up to us and how over-extended we allow ourselves to become while believing no one can exploit the opportunity we're offering.

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