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Re: fasting, I would never plan a fast. If it happens naturally, fine. If not, I would not forgo giving your body nutrients if it's asking for it. See how you feel tomorrow. If you ate more than you needed today then you might not feel hungry tomorrow. But if you are hungry, I would not force it. Absolutely not.

Re: wrinkles. It could be stress or lack of sleep. I wouldn't worry about it just yet.

+1

Also, like you described my appetite is always low on high activity days and then high the following day. I think it is good to listen to that hunger the following day or days because that is when the body is repairing and building muscle, hot a good time to keep food away from your body.

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I hear you justifying it as a great idea, and you're asking so you have doubts. At this stage, after doing so fabulously well, doubt is something you could do without. Fasting is a restricting mindset and it's not a good thing. Well.... you did ask!

Re: fasting, I would never plan a fast. If it happens naturally, fine. If not, I would not forgo giving your body nutrients if it's asking for it. See how you feel tomorrow. If you ate more than you needed today then you might not feel hungry tomorrow. But if you are hungry, I would not force it. Absolutely not.

Re: wrinkles. It could be stress or lack of sleep. I wouldn't worry about it just yet.

Originally posted by CiKi90

To answer your question about fasting, I am going to give you some advice that you've given to me: listen to what your body wants. What the body needs and what the mind wants to do aren't always the same. Why do you feel like you need to fast? You've been eating lightly the past few days, and had a big eating day for one day.... If your body is hungry again tomorrow, you should eat. If you don't even think about food and don't feel hungry, let the fasting happen, but I would not actively try to restrict my intake, or force it on yourself. You said that you haven't been having cravings, why restrict now? Deprivation breeds desire!

Another thing-- you notice that. On exercise days, you tend to eat lightly, and eat more on your rest days. I sometimes do the same thing, and I don't think that it's necessarily a bad or good thing. If you eat a lot on your rest days, that may just mean that your body is recovering and building strength/muscle or working to heal your sore body. You never really know what's going on internally, so there's no way to tell if your eating habits and calorie cycling is is doing you any harm. If it feels good, go for it just feel good about the foods that you are nourishing your body with. Celebrate that you're eating healthy and giving yourself much better nutrition than a lot of other people out there.

Also, like you described my appetite is always low on high activity days and then high the following day. I think it is good to listen to that hunger the following day or days because that is when the body is repairing and building muscle, hot a good time to keep food away from your body.

Thanks for the good advice everyone <3 I listened to my body, and my body wanted food, so I ate

The honey-- I think that any honey that's harvested. In your region and not heated should have a beneficial impact on your allergy/sinus issues. I'm not really very informed about the different types of honey, though. Another thing that may help your sinuses is spicy food -- chilies, wasabi, mustard, horseradish.

Progesterone and copper peptides help with wrinkles. If you haven't taken the peptides yet, now is as good a time as any. Where did you order from?

They are external ones: you're supposed to put in a cream, and then apply the cream. When you say "taken" it makes it sound internal, not topical? But I mislaid the stupid bottle of them... grr.

Also Derp, I bought that powered b3 you recommended, and started using it today. I just diluted it with water and sprayed on my face - is this the right approach or should I put the powder in a cream?

Aaaaand - I got the results of my seretonin test. I figure if anyone would know about it it's you Result was 120, which is apparently normal (should be under 330 for women). What do you think?

"I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

- Ray Peat

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So what's this talk about copper peptides and b3 sprays? Do they reduce wrinkles? I need more info please. I'm starting to have problems with wrinkles too--under the eyes, especially. Do you think rubbing your eyes makes them worse? I get seasonal allergies that make my eyes itch. I try not to rub, but sometimes do it anyway at night. Er.

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So what's this talk about copper peptides and b3 sprays? Do they reduce wrinkles? I need more info please. I'm starting to have problems with wrinkles too--under the eyes, especially. Do you think rubbing your eyes makes them worse? I get seasonal allergies that make my eyes itch. I try not to rub, but sometimes do it anyway at night. Er.

That's a looong answer. There's so many anti-wrinkles approaches... retin-A is a very popular one but I hear it's quite harsh. Anyway, the under eye wrinkles are particularly tricky cos' the skin there is so delicate...

"I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

- Ray Peat

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Sleep:
11.45pm - 7am. Good sleep - was completely exhausted. Had another nightmare though - this time about my ex boyfriend. It was a recurring dream I had after we broke up, about how he treated me when we were together. It surprises me that I'm still having these dreams after all this time. I would think I'd be over it...

Supps:
Mg-B6 complex x2, Zinc x 2, Vit D x 2, Vit C x 2, Aspirin x 2. Don't really know why I'm taking the aspirin, I think I got the idea it would help me with my period?! I get clots and stuff.
Also took a glucosamine sulphate tab. Don't even know how I ended up with these in my press..! Think they help with muscle tension?

Energy and mood:
Good. Felt tired after teaching but that's to be expected.

Body:
Water retention: Bad.
Sinus: Usual.
Throat: A few days ago the lymph node behind my ear was swollen and painful, which I know signals some kind of throat problem. Yesterday my throat felt a bit funny, and today my glands are up. Pretty sure I won't get sick though - feel strong and like I can fight it off.
Skin: Have started spraying my face and hands with powdered B3 in water. Hope this helps...
Rosacea: Got a really sudden flare up in the latter part of the day. Think it was a reaction to the warm air con.
Lips: Fine
Digestion: No BM
Temperature: Suddenly got really cold when I got home after work. Was freezing for about three hours, but I turned on the heating. Granted, it is a cold evening.

Stress:
Bit stressed teaching today and didn't enjoy it as much as other workshops I've taught, but I think it's cos' I've taught it a few times now so I didn't bother prepping, and then I didn't feel fresh. Also, I need to keep changing what I teach or I get bored.

Questions for the audience:
I'm very attracted by the raw milk fast. Paleobird said she lost 8 lbs in two days! I doubt I would lose anything like that, but what do you think - good or bad idea? (Zach and Derp, I know you guys have suggested I just eat fruit for three days, but I don't think I could manage that - fruit makes me too hungry. I need a bit of fat to satiate.)

Also, got my serotonin back - it was 120. Normal for women is under 330.

"I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

- Ray Peat

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Re milk fast and PBird's weight loss. I've been meaning to suggest to her that it might have less to do with the milk and more to do with the joys of new love. I always drop weight when I'm newly in lurrrve. Anyway, should you? No, I doubt it.

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Thanks for the good advice everyone <3 I listened to my body, and my body wanted food, so I ate

ACtually, spicy food makes it worse!

They are external ones: you're supposed to put in a cream, and then apply the cream. When you say "taken" it makes it sound internal, not topical? But I mislaid the stupid bottle of them... grr.

Also Derp, I bought that powered b3 you recommended, and started using it today. I just diluted it with water and sprayed on my face - is this the right approach or should I put the powder in a cream?

Aaaaand - I got the results of my seretonin test. I figure if anyone would know about it it's you Result was 120, which is apparently normal (should be under 330 for women). What do you think?

Nah, you apply it topically haha. Please don't eat them!

I would put it coconut oil, or mix it with alcohol or coffee(caffeine is good for skin)

Your 5-HT could still stand to go lower, but I think yours is due to having higher TSH, and a possibly inflamed gut(bloating symptoms). I don't trust the standards on what's normal in medical science. I felt much better when I got my 5-HT(blood serotonin) down to ~50.

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I would put it coconut oil, or mix it with alcohol or coffee(caffeine is good for skin)

Your 5-HT could still stand to go lower, but I think yours is due to having higher TSH, and a possibly inflamed gut(bloating symptoms). I don't trust the standards on what's normal in medical science. I felt much better when I got my 5-HT(blood serotonin) down to ~50.

Thanks for the info

How did you get your 5-HT lower than that? And that's interesting you think my gut could be inflamed... I was thinking it might be bloat from excess oestrogen.

Also, what do you think of using petroleum jelly on skin?

Originally posted by CiKi90

If you think fruit for a few days is good except that it makes you toooo hungry, why not just do fruit and yogurt? Or am I missing the point now? lol. Raw milk only sounds to strict, kind of. I feel like if I tried to do something like that, it would make me start having crazy cravings. Plus I'd be tempted to make chocolate milk. And smoothies..... And then I'd be tempted to have cookies or cereal, since that's the only thing I eveeeeer ate cow's milk with. Hmm, yeah, no bueno! But if you thiiiink you can really do it, I'll totally be your cheerleader!

Re milk fast and PBird's weight loss. I've been meaning to suggest to her that it might have less to do with the milk and more to do with the joys of new love. I always drop weight when I'm newly in lurrrve. Anyway, should you? No, I doubt it.

I think I'm prob gonna do it, just for two days or something. Losing 8 lbs in two days is just too attractive not to test out...

Re: spicy food and sinuses: it might make your sinuses bad for a while, but that just means that you're metabolism is speeding up and getting the bad stuff out. if you enjoy eating spicy food, continual use of spice at every meal for a short while should help. Howeeeeever, raw local honey is very tasty, and if you've never tried it, then you should do that!

Thanks!

"I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

I never heard of SSREs before. I googled it, but don't understand how they work? Is it that they make the sereotonin active instead of just circulating the blood?

Guess I'll try the carrot salad again, and take advantage of mushie season when it comes round

"I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

- Ray Peat

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I don't think there is anything wrong with you trying the milk diet. Remember what I said in the other thread though, the source really matters. I felt awesome from one farms milk and horrid from the other. Listen and don't restrict if you find yourself having to use discipline to follow the diet and if it is making you feel less than fantastic find a different source or give it up. Cultured milk products are just as good or better and might be easier for you to digest if you start to have trouble with it.

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I don't think there is anything wrong with you trying the milk diet. Remember what I said in the other thread though, the source really matters. I felt awesome from one farms milk and horrid from the other. Listen and don't restrict if you find yourself having to use discipline to follow the diet and if it is making you feel less than fantastic find a different source or give it up. Cultured milk products are just as good or better and might be easier for you to digest if you start to have trouble with it.

The raw milk plan has been abandoned - just read that Paleobird put all the weight she lost back on overnight!

They increase uptake of serotonin, lowering serotonin's activity, by increasing activity of 5-HIAA(excretion)

Gotcha.

I'll prob stick with the mushrooms

"I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."