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By that argument if the Republicans win in 2014 they have no problem with their message, and if they win in 2016 it is the Democrats that have the massive message problem.

If the Republicans do not change drasticely and lose everything then yes they do. Null point as we can not see the future. Dead end.

Originally Posted by BigLutz

So the Republicans should pander to the Latinos by ignoring the law like the Democrats? Do you realize how poorly that makes the Latinos look? But the thing is that being more in favor of the terribly unfair thing called Amnesty will not get you more Latino votes. 1986 Reagan gave 3 million people Amnesty, in 1988 George HW Bush did not win the Latino vote. In 2006 John McCain was one of the ones leading the charge on amnesty and immigration reform, in 2008 he failed to win the Latino vote.

Or you know make it so that Latinos that are here legally aren't treated as a pariah and by allowing easier ways for mexicans to become citizens. We need a more workers to replace the baby boomers when the economy recovers. Makeing it easier to become legal will also give more choices to get rid of the ones that are still getting in illegal.

Originally Posted by BigLutz

And I am still waiting for someone to explain what Richard Mourdock said that was so wrong.

He is saying God wanted the girl to get raped and you ask why is that bad. How about we stop believing in fantasy and just admit that rape is bad.

Originally Posted by BigLutz

Or more realistically the public did not blame the incumbent for the economy being in the crapper.

Like it or not the economy is better.

Originally Posted by BigLutz

The Democrats were the ones swept out of power, so again what does that say about their message?

The message is that we can not expect change over night.

Originally Posted by BigLutz

Care to explain then why the liberal economic policy is so divorced from reality then?

Putting more money into circulation of those who actually can spend it is a bad idea?

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Er, well, when word it like that, you make it sound like he said God intended all people to be born of rape.

Really? Well that's not what I meant.

Originally Posted by I am Lu

What Mourdock actually said (and it's still equally disgusting) is that in cases in which pregnancy is a result in rape, the baby should still be born because God intended for that pregnancy to happen. Basically, he's using God as a ploy in his anti-abortion argument.

God is pretty much the cornerstone of every pro-life argument.

Originally Posted by LizardonX

Tabitha has really let himself go, just how many lava cookies did he eat in the last 11 years?

Falling in behind "comprehensive immigration reform" won't help Republicans with Hispanics and will most certainly cost them what's left of their base. I see more potential for Republican growth among (non-Muslim) Asians than among any other minority group, too bad the Asian share of the vote isn't yet sizable enough to matter

Pretty much overprotective fundamentalist parents that believe that the government should make everything safe for their kids.

Originally Posted by PokeJustice

Falling in behind "comprehensive immigration reform" won't help Republicans with Hispanics and will most certainly cost them what's left of their base. I see more potential for Republican growth among (non-Muslim) Asians than among any other minority group, too bad the Asian share of the vote isn't yet sizable enough to matter

The Asian demographic hasn't really been growing as substantially as the Latinos, but I can see that happening in maybe 10 years or so.

Originally Posted by LizardonX

Tabitha has really let himself go, just how many lava cookies did he eat in the last 11 years?

If the Republicans do not change drasticely and lose everything then yes they do. Null point as we can not see the future. Dead end.

We did not know the future of the 2012 elections in 2008 which was my point.

Originally Posted by ebilly99

Or you know make it so that Latinos that are here legally aren't treated as a pariah and by allowing easier ways for mexicans to become citizens. We need a more workers to replace the baby boomers when the economy recovers. Makeing it easier to become legal will also give more choices to get rid of the ones that are still getting in illegal.

Why do we need to focus on making it easier for Mexicans becoming citizens? Should we not make it easier for all and punish those that tried to skip the line?

Originally Posted by ebilly99

He is saying God wanted the girl to get raped and you ask why is that bad.

No he is saying God wanted the pregnancy to happen, not all rape results in pregnancy. And again I ask, would you go up to a child of a rape victim and say "God did not want you to be alive"?

Originally Posted by ebilly99

How about we stop believing in fantasy and just admit that rape is bad.

Who is saying it isn't?

Originally Posted by ebilly99

Like it or not the economy is better.

Do you consider 8% unemployment better? 14 to 16% Underemployment better? Do you consider barely making natural growth better? I call that sitting on the knife's edge of recession.

Originally Posted by ebilly99

The message is that we can not expect change over night.

No the message is that the public does not want big Government policies like Obamacare, again should the Democrats change their views on that after losing soundly for enacting Obamacare in 2010?

Originally Posted by ebilly99

Putting more money into circulation of those who actually can spend it is a bad idea?

So giving those who can help the economy more money is a good idea? Watch out, you support "Old White Men" economic policies!

We did not know the future of the 2012 elections in 2008 which was my point.

But there was evidence that the right was shrinking.

Originally Posted by BigLutz

Why do we need to focus on making it easier for Mexicans becoming citizens? Should we not make it easier for all and punish those that tried to skip the line?

No becuase we don't have a problem with Legal Latinos, we have a problem with illegal ones. Also lets face it the problem today is to much to handle. It is only possible to change momentum by allowing more americans to join.

Originally Posted by BigLutz

No he is saying God wanted the pregnancy to happen, not all rape results in pregnancy. And again I ask, would you go up to a child of a rape victim and say "God did not want you to be alive"?

I do not believe in God, and I don't think others should force morality down my throat. If I met a rape victim I would judge them for there deeds. I would tell them that the way they lived there life is more important then the way they were born.

Originally Posted by BigLutz

Who is saying it isn't?

Those who think that if God exist he cares

Originally Posted by BigLutz

Do you consider 8% unemployment better? 14 to 16% Underemployment better? Do you consider barely making natural growth better? I call that sitting on the knife's edge of recession.

Yes it is better then decline.

Originally Posted by BigLutz

No the message is that the public does not want big Government policies like Obamacare, again should the Democrats change their views on that after losing soundly for enacting Obamacare in 2010?

So giving those who can help the economy more money is a good idea? Watch out, you support "Old White Men" economic policies!

Um no, I support proping up the middle and poor class and forcing those that take advantage of the tax code to pay there fair share. I support reform in the tax and the government aid but do not support dropping it completely.

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No one said that rape was good. I admit, the way he said it was unjust but all it was to say that he thinks that people should keep the baby even in rape and which I agree with him.

I mean really when are women going to understand that there opinion does not matter, and that men are more important then women. If a man wants you to have a baby and goes to the trouble to rape you, you better have his child.

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Were they shrinking in 2010 when they had the biggest victory since the 1930s?

Originally Posted by ebilly99

No becuase we don't have a problem with Legal Latinos, we have a problem with illegal ones. Also lets face it the problem today is to much to handle. It is only possible to change momentum by allowing more americans to join.

But that does not get rid of the illegal ones, unless you are proposing the immoral and unfair idea of amnesty.

Originally Posted by ebilly99

I do not believe in God, and I don't think others should force morality down my throat. If I met a rape victim I would judge them for there deeds. I would tell them that the way they lived there life is more important then the way they were born.

That isn't what I said, would you go up to a person and say "God did not intend you to be born". As that is what you are arguing for.

Originally Posted by ebilly99

Those who think that if God exist he cares

So a caring God only makes good things happen?

Originally Posted by ebilly99

Yes it is better then decline.

So malaze and putting us in the position of possibly suffering a even worse decline is better?

And when Obamacare was the central focus in 2010 the Republicans totally slaughtered the Democrats.

Originally Posted by ebilly99

Um no, I support proping up the middle and poor class and forcing those that take advantage of the tax code to pay there fair share. I support reform in the tax and the government aid but do not support dropping it completely.

How well did that propping up do in early 2008 during the tax rebates given out to the middle and lower class? Oh that is right, they used the money to save and pay off debt, not stimulate the economy.

Originally Posted by Bolt The Cat

You, Mourdock, and everyone else that believes that rape resulting in preganacy is good.

I want you to find me the exact quote where I said "Rape resulting in pregnancy is good" or "Rape is good" EXACT QUOTE.

It's forcing religion into a political issue. Religion and politics are supposed to be separate. That's the whole point of separation of church and state. If we outlawed abortion on the basis that "God doesn't like it," then we would be living a theocracy and the possibility of what happened to Savita Halappanavar in Ireland could become real in the United States.

The idea that a woman who is a victim of a rape or whose life is endangered by a pregnancy should be forced to carry a baby to term doesn't resonate with most of modern America. That's why Republican politicians who made loony comments about redefining rape or abortion were not elected back.

By that argument if the Republicans win in 2014 they have no problem with their message, and if they win in 2016 it is the Democrats that have the massive message problem.

I don't expect the democrats to win 2016 in the first place, unless Obama pulls a Reagan/Bush Sr. Which has more to do with that it is hard for a party to win a new term after a president of their political colour finished both of his terms. Depending on the size of their defeat it could be a message problem or not.

Originally Posted by BigLutz

So the Republicans should pander to the Latinos by ignoring the law like the Democrats? Do you realize how poorly that makes the Latinos look? But the thing is that being more in favor of the terribly unfair thing called Amnesty will not get you more Latino votes. 1986 Reagan gave 3 million people Amnesty, in 1988 George HW Bush did not win the Latino vote. In 2006 John McCain was one of the ones leading the charge on amnesty and immigration reform, in 2008 he failed to win the Latino vote.

Not just talking about latino vote because that isn't the only group where they suffered a loss.

Originally Posted by BigLutz

And I am still waiting for someone to explain what Richard Mourdock said that was so wrong.

As said by Bolt the cat:

That God intended for people to be born through rape.

Which does not sound so fantastic to most people out there..

Originally Posted by BigLutz

Or more realistically the public did not blame the incumbent for the economy being in the crapper.

Either that or the public thinks the economy is recovering perhaps it was even because they believed Romney wouldn't be a good way to fix the economy.

I don't expect the democrats to win 2016 in the first place, unless Obama pulls a Reagan/Bush Sr. Which has more to do with that it is hard for a party to win a new term after a president of their political colour finished both of his terms. Depending on the size of their defeat it could be a message problem or not.

Well you should also remember that the incumbent in the next election is... Joe Biden.

Originally Posted by 7 tyranitars

That God intended for people to be born through rape.

Which does not sound so fantastic to most people out there..

If you are some one who believes God creates all life which I would say most if not all Christians, Jews, and Muslims believe in. Then how is that fantastic? A person cannot say "God creates all life, except the life born from rapes" if so then God does not create all life.

Were they shrinking in 2010 when they had the biggest victory since the 1930s?

Yes however the call to kick the bums out worked in favor to the GOP

Originally Posted by BigLutz

But that does not get rid of the illegal ones, unless you are proposing the immoral and unfair idea of amnesty.

When more immigrants are allowed to become legal you can finally have the public support getting rid of the illegals.

Originally Posted by BigLutz

That isn't what I said, would you go up to a person and say "God did not intend you to be born". As that is what you are arguing for.
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i do not believe in god.

Originally Posted by BigLutz

So a caring God only makes good things happen?

I Do not believe in god. Fine to get to the point, God is fairy tales to me.

Originally Posted by BigLutz

So malaze and putting us in the position of possibly suffering a even worse decline is better?

A possible disaster is better then a real disaster. (A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush)

Originally Posted by BigLutz

And when Obamacare was the central focus in 2010 the Republicans totally slaughtered the Democrats.

Yet when the last chance to stop it came they lost

Originally Posted by BigLutz

How well did that propping up do in early 2008 during the tax rebates given out to the middle and lower class? Oh that is right, they used the money to save and pay off debt, not stimulate the economy.

So paying off debt is bad for economy. Saving is bad for economy? do you know how economy works. For every dollar americans put in a savings account it creates 10 bank dollars.

Originally Posted by BigLutz

I want you to find me the exact quote where I said "Rape resulting in pregnancy is good" or "Rape is good" EXACT QUOTE.

In the case of legitimacy rape the body has ways to stop the pregnancy. TODD ATKINS MUCH

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And the reason they called for "Kicking out the bums" is because they did not like Obamacare

and yet the last chance to destroy it lead to a huge democrat win.

Originally Posted by BigLutz

And how do you suppose we will find them or even get rid of them? Something like the Arizona style law?

Yes after it becomes easier to become american citizens. also a reward program for turning in illegals, such as tax credits.

Originally Posted by BigLutz

Then was not what I was saying, you do not have to believe in a God to tell a person that.

Why would I say anything. Is a kid begging me to tell them if there life means anything. I support sentient computer freedom and you ask me if a care how one is born

Originally Posted by BigLutz

Again not what I was saying.

Then please tell me what exactly you are saying.

Originally Posted by BigLutz

Unless the possible disaster is far worse.

No possible disaster is never worth a now disaster. No one can stop all dangers, we must live in the present.

Originally Posted by BigLutz

That isn't the point, the point is that the Democrats had their big Government policies in 2009 and the public roundly rejected them.

And the Gop was regected in 2012. what does that mean.

Originally Posted by BigLutz

And yet neither stimulates the economy.

Not if banks refuse to loan out money.

Originally Posted by BigLutz

And that has what to do with what I am saying? Still waiting for that exact quote, still waiting....

Exact quote where a republican supports rape, how about actions. They do speak louder then words. Like how Rick Perry wants to do away with the sex offenders list, meaning that those guilty of sex crimes get less then a slap on the wrist ???

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If you are some one who believes God creates all life which I would say most if not all Christians, Jews, and Muslims believe in. Then how is that fantastic? A person cannot say "God creates all life, except the life born from rapes" if so then God does not create all life.

If you believe in God, fine, good for you. But I am Lu brought up a good point earlier, that God's law by itself should not be determining what is legal and what is illegal in this country, that defies the very nature of this country. So explain to me, with logic and facts, why it's perfectly acceptable to force a woman to suffer through pregnancy and child birth when she didn't even make the decision to have a child in the first place.

Originally Posted by LizardonX

Tabitha has really let himself go, just how many lava cookies did he eat in the last 11 years?

Last time I checked such a thing was not pushed in the same way as it was in 2010

Originally Posted by ebilly99

Why would I say anything. Is a kid begging me to tell them if there life means anything. I support sentient computer freedom and you ask me if a care how one is born

Just a yes or no, if a religious child born of rape asked if he was intended by God, would you say yes or no, stop dancing around it.

Originally Posted by ebilly99

Then please tell me what exactly you are saying.

Does a loving God mean only good things can happen to a person. To put it another way does a loving parent mean they cannot do anything bad to them?

Originally Posted by ebilly99

No possible disaster is never worth a now disaster.

Even when such a disaster is far worse?

Originally Posted by ebilly99

No one can stop all dangers, we must live in the present.

Living in the present means understanding the possible damage ahead of us if we continue down this economic path.

Originally Posted by ebilly99

And the Gop was regected in 2012. what does that mean.

Except that is not what we were talking about. Should the Democratic party change its big government ideals after 2010?

Originally Posted by ebilly99

Not if banks refuse to loan out money.

As shown in 2008, people saving money and paying off loans does not result in banks giving out loans.

Originally Posted by ebilly99

Exact quote where a republican supports rape, how about actions. They do speak louder then words. Like how Rick Perry wants to do away with the sex offenders list, meaning that those guilty of sex crimes get less then a slap on the wrist ???

"I want you to find me the exact quote where I said "Rape resulting in pregnancy is good" or "Rape is good" EXACT QUOTE."

My name is neither Todd Akin or Rick Perry.

Originally Posted by Bolt the Cat

If you believe in God, fine, good for you. But I am Lu brought up a good point earlier, that God's law by itself should not be determining what is legal and what is illegal in this country, that defies the very nature of this country.

The nature of this country is we elect people who shares our values and beliefs and who we believe can do a good job in Washington, if a majority of people believe a certain representative who is openly Christian shares their beliefs then they are elected.

Originally Posted by Bolt the Cat

So explain to me, with logic and facts, why it's perfectly acceptable to force a woman to suffer through pregnancy and child birth when she didn't even make the decision to have a child in the first place.

Why is it perfectly acceptable for a baby, a life, to die, for something it had no control over what brought it about? I don't know about you but suffering for 9 months is far less than permanent death.

Why is it perfectly acceptable for a baby, a life, to die, for something it had no control over what brought it about? I don't know about you but suffering for 9 months is far less than permanent death.

It's not like pregnancy is 100% safe either. You are aware that women can die giving birth, yes? That might not be something they want to risk.

Originally Posted by LizardonX

Tabitha has really let himself go, just how many lava cookies did he eat in the last 11 years?

Last time I checked such a thing was not pushed in the same way as it was in 2010

Well think again. (Sandy Cheeks, 2001)

Originally Posted by BigLutz

Just a yes or no, if a religious child born of rape asked if he was intended by God, would you say yes or no, stop dancing around it.

I would say no, just like if a atheist asked a creationist if his great great great great grandparents were a great ape I have no choice cause there is no god.

Originally Posted by BigLutz

Does a loving God mean only good things can happen to a person. To put it another way does a loving parent mean they cannot do anything bad to them?

If they are perfect, no no they cant.

Originally Posted by BigLutz

Even when such a disaster is far worse?

Even if the potential disaster was world war 3. We can not measure potential vs real.

Originally Posted by BigLutz

Living in the present means understanding the possible damage ahead of us if we continue down this economic path.

And unless the reasons are probable enough and there is no better alternative should we ever consider it.

Originally Posted by BigLutz

Except that is not what we were talking about. Should the Democratic party change its big government ideals after 2010?

No, not for one loss. However if the party itself is in turmoil then change is needed. Fox news is even admiting that the GOP may be in trouble. That equates to about 2 and a half real troubles for ever one Fox news problem

Originally Posted by BigLutz

As shown in 2008, people saving money and paying off loans does not result in banks giving out loans.

And yet it should. The banks are getting money and not using it. there is your problem right there.

Originally Posted by BigLutz

"I want you to find me the exact quote where I said "Rape resulting in pregnancy is good" or "Rape is good" EXACT QUOTE."

My name is neither Todd Akin or Rick Perry.

Because I have a problem with you? No.

Originally Posted by BigLutz

The nature of this country is we elect people who shares our values and beliefs and who we believe can do a good job in Washington, if a majority of people believe a certain representative who is openly Christian shares their beliefs then they are elected.

Why do they have to be Christian. Even you don't agree with that why did you add it.

Originally Posted by BigLutz

Why is it perfectly acceptable for a baby, a life, to die, for something it had no control over what brought it about? I don't know about you but suffering for 9 months is far less than permanent death.

Why should I care what happens to a embroy that never lived, has no brain. Remember life is mental activity's not how you are born.

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