If one were to point out that the 7 days of creation actually fit into the correct order of how we know things were created on earth, then we'd have a debate on the basics of evolution being taught in the bible. Remember that JPII declared that evolution and creation are not at opposition. but enhances the knowledge of both.In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face.
Diogenes Of Sinope

If one were to point out that the 7 days of creation actually fit into the correct order of how we know things were created on earth, then we'd have a debate on the basics of evolution being taught in the bible. Remember that JPII declared that evolution and creation are not at opposition. but enhances the knowledge of both.

I didn't notice many scientists supporting JPII's claim. If you ask me, he was smart enough to realize the writing was on the wall, and this was an attempt to save face.

Oh, and the order in Genesis does not fit in with the "correct" order:

1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth

1:2 Now the earth was without shape and empty, and darkness was over the surface of the watery deep, but the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the water.

1:3 God said, "Let there be light." And there was light!

1:4 God saw that the light was good, so God separated the light from the darkness.

1:5 God called the light "day" and the darkness "night." There was evening, and there was morning, marking the first day.

Science says the order of day 1 ought to be in fairly quick succession light then dark, a little while later water, a long time later Earth

Age of Earth, about 4.54 billion years, time since the bright light of the Big Bang, about 13.75 billion years. Age of oldest oxygen atoms about 13 billion years old (formed in the first helium burning stars). First water molecules formed about 11 billion years ago, after the first star to go nova.

In Genesis Day 2 is sky, Day 3 plants, Day 4 stars, Day 5 animals, and 6 is mankind.

The order from science is stars (part of the early Day 1), sky (sometime after Earth), single celled organisms, sometime later plants and animals, and then mankind.

So Day 6 is in the right place, and I guess 1 out of 6 is not bad (ok 1 and a half, for the animals).I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

Just think, if this part were to be true and that light in the universe was
created a little later after the universe was forming then there was no law of
E=M(C)sqd. Hence the universe was able to expand without the constraints of
(C) holding it's rate of expansion back then until the time when light was created, then all changed.The Kite Fliers

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Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet
belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes.

There are actually two creation mythologies in Genesis -- most folks are only familiar with the first one.

"There are significant parallels between the two stories, but also significant differences: in the first account mankind (male and female) are created after animals, while in the second the man is created first, then animals, and finally the woman "as the climax of creation." Together this combination of parallel character and contrasting profile point to the different origin of materials in Genesis 1:1–1:2–3 and 2:4b–3:23, however elegantly they have now been combined."

Of course, not being an ID guy, the differences between one 'absolute' version and the other 'absolute' version don't trouble me one bit.

The reason that we have day and night is that the earth revolves once every 24 hours. At a fixed point on the surface of the earth, you are directly facing the sun at midday or facing directly away from it at midnight.

It is the sun that provides the light we know as daytime, and the lack of that sunshine is what we call night-time. To proclaim "Let there be light, and there was light!" can only be taken to mean to create the Sun, or the star known as Sol, hence the Sol-ar system.

All this pre-supposes that the earth was in existence before the sun was created, which scientifically is nonsense.

Then we have "God saw that the light was good, so God separated the light from the darkness". That again pre-supposes that the earth was static and not revolving, so God apparently started the earth turning on its axis.

So, in the beginning there was planet earth, all on its own standing still in space, then in 7 days we suddenly have a new star, rotation of the planet, fauna and flora, animals and mankind. Compressing billions of years of evolution into such a short time isn't bad for a weeks work. And I assume that all the other planets were as a result of a bit of overtime at time and a half.

Then we have "God saw that the light was good, so God separated the light from the darkness". !

fairly stupid god if he has to create light before "allknowing god" can tell that light is good."Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exist elsewhere in the Universe is that none of it has tried to contact us."
Calvin to the Hobbes

Evolution results in an "intelligent" design most of the time. If it doesn't the species quickly dies out. reading some of this stuff makes me worry about homo sapiens. It's the saps thing that scares me the most.

If one were to point out that the 7 days of creation actually fit into the correct order of how we know things were created on earth, then we'd have a debate on the basics of evolution being taught in the bible. Remember that JPII declared that evolution and creation are not at opposition, but enhances the knowledge of both.

Yes, but JPII was a lot more sensible than the current crop of creationists who want all or nothing.