Review: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice

PLOT: Almost two years after the partial destruction of Metropolis, the world is pondering the pros and cons of having an all-powerful entity such as Superman around. In addition to the Senate committee investigating his exploits, Gotham's caped crusader Batman is keeping a close eye on the Man of Steel, determined to put a stop to him before the alien potentially turns against humanity.

REVIEW: For a movie called BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE, I sure thought it could have used more Batman and Superman. That is to say, Superman doing things we recognize as being Superman-esque, ditto for The Dark Knight. Here's a film that spends almost an hour getting to its first real action sequence, and most of that keeps Batman detained inside his batmobile, while almost all of Supes' deeds are relegated to montages. But characters sure do talk about these two a lot.

Yes, there's a lot of talking in BATMAN V SUPERMAN; a lot of exposition and reminiscing, much theorizing and debating. The characters in this film like to argue about the Man of Steel and the Bat of Gotham more than we fanboys, but what I wanted to see was these guys in action. I wanted to be thrilled and excited by BVS, and as devised by screenwriters Chris Terrio and David Goyer and director Zack Snyder, these characters are more worth pondering over than actually seeing do the things they're famous for. I don't need wall-to-wall action, but it's worth noting BATMAN V SUPERMAN is exceptionally light on it for almost half its run time. There will be a lot of chapter-skipping when this thing hits Blu-ray, I guarantee you.

After a familiar prologue introducing us to Bruce Wayne (Ben Affleck) - you knew his parents were murdered and he fell down a bat-infested well as a kid, right? - and a fairly exciting look at the climactic MAN OF STEEL finale from Bruce's perspective, the film picks up 18 months later after the destruction of Metropolis by General Zod and, in part, Superman (Henry Cavill). A senate committee has been put together to investigate the actions of Superman, figuring out whether or not he should be put in check. How does one put Superman in check? With kryptonite, of course, and some has been recovered from General Zod's destroyed ship. Interested in weaponizing the kryptonite is billionaire Lex Luthor (Jesse Eisenberg), an eccentric with an obvious god complex who is completely intent on ruining Superman's existence. Why he hates Superman so damn much in this film isn't really explored by the screenplay; it expects us to know Lex is Superman's eventual mortal enemy, so we'll just have to roll with it.

While not as maniacal or conniving as Lex, an older and more bitter than ever Bruce isn't far behind in the thinking that Superman must be stopped. Nursing a personal grudge after the Metropolis chaos destroyed his offices and killed some of his employees, Bruce is now convinced Superman is more of a threat to the Earth than a savior. While his brutalizing of lowlives hasn't stopped Gotham from being a cesspool of crime and corruption, Bruce appears to believe his new purpose is making sure Superman is put down before he does to the rest of the world what he did to Metropolis.

Lurking around the edges of all this intrigue are MAN OF STEEL's other central characters, Lois Lane (Amy Adams) and Perry White (Laurence Fishburne), the former worried about her boyfriend's increasingly unpopular public image, the latter just wanting Clark Kent to focus on his menial Daily Planet work and not his crusade against Batman. (Deflecting in a big way, Clark/Superman is attempting to convince the city that it's a vengeful vigilante like Batman who's the real problem.) There's also a mysterious woman (Gal Gadot) who keeps popping up and stealing long glances at Bruce Wayne, her purpose in this plot all but pointless except for the big revelation that she's... well, you know.

The first half of this movie is a major bummer. It's ponderous and takes its sweet time building any tangible energy. Senate hearings, news briefings, heart-to-hearts in bland interiors; BATMAN V SUPERMAN is truly boring for about an hour and change, until the first real action sequence of the film goes down. Sadly, it's a rather unexceptional car chase that kind of goes nowhere. (Not that we have to compare them, but look at how Christopher Nolan staged any of the chase scenes in the DARK KNGIHT trilogy for a primer on how it's really done.) The main showdown between our two heroes takes approximately an hour and a half to get to, and while that's probably the best sequence in the movie, it still left me wanting. Perhaps because I was waiting so long for it, perhaps because it's mostly set in a dingy, abandoned building that provides next to zero visual flair. Saying these two titans going toe-to-toe should be more epic in scope is an understatement.

When the movie finally seems to have gathered some steam, it goes for broke in a garbled, foolhardy way. We're introduced to Doomsday, a Kryptonian monster the movie brings in to destroy some cities. (Can't make one of these without obliterating a city, can you?) This character is disheartening because he's just another unimpressive digital creation. That Batman and Superman - two iconic characters some of us have waited to see share the big screen for a long time - are pitted against this ugly and uninspired monstrosity is a real shame. (For the record, I'm not necessarily speaking about Doomsday himself, but this movie's rendition of him.) He's certainly not a memorable villain, despite all the growling and smashing, and he sadly leads Batman vs Superman's big finale into more of the same blurry, computer-generated mayhem we're subjected to from big action films time and time again. At least you could make out what was happening during the conclusion of MAN OF STEEL - here the action is very messily presented.

There are positive things about BVS. I liked Ben Affleck as Bruce Wayne; the actor is the right age and has the appropriate look for this world-weary iteration of Bruce. I also still think Henry Cavill is well-cast as Superman, although I'm not sure these movies are using the actor to his potential; but maybe it's that Zack Snyder doesn't truly understand what makes Supes a unique and enjoyable hero. (He's not enjoyable in this movie; in fact, we've never seen the Superman character presented so joylessly.) Gal Gadot makes an impression despite her limited screentime as Wonder Woman. She doesn't show up until near the end, but when she does it's an exciting appearance; it makes me wish she were in it more.

As for Jesse Eisenberg's Lex Luthor, it's an interesting take on the infamous villain. He's twitchy, hyper, weird in the extreme; he's so overtly evil that he's not fooling even the people he's supposed to be acting sly with. Eisenberg feels like he's been directed by someone else; his scenes are out of tune with all the others. His peculiar, motor-mouthed performance does indeed become annoying after a while, but in a strange way it's nice to see someone in the movie bringing some oddness to the proceedings. If nothing else, Eisenberg is the only person who isn't constantly frowning. (Jeremy Irons is having an OK time and makes for a decent Alfred, come to think of it.)

But by far my biggest complaint about BATMAN V SUPERMAN? It's just not fun. It may please the superhero fans who prefer their movies brooding and depressing, but for me I wouldn't mind if there were at least a few moments of levity here and there. Every event is glum, almost everyone is humorless and solemn. Even Nolan's famously dour Batman movies had some bounce to them; the action provided pizzaz, and they weren't afraid to bring optimism to the forefront every once in a while and ease off the bleakness. BATMAN V SUPERMAN left me feeling depressed and uninvolved, and far from excited about what's the come in the many (many) movies to follow. I wanted to like this movie, was rooting for it, and it didn't deliver.

Sounds like you trust him just fine. If every time he's negative he's wrong, then all his bad movies are actually good movies, and with that knowledge you can never go wrong if you see a movie Eric slammed.

Sounds like you trust him just fine. If every time he's negative he's wrong, then all his bad movies are actually good movies, and with that knowledge you can never go wrong if you see a movie Eric slammed.

Unbelievable Movie, sick of these bad reviews

I'm a long long time reader (got on back in the Phantom Menace days). I've only posted a couple times in like 10 years or more. I have no clue what this reviewer went in expecting, but I took two 16-yr-old kids yesterday to a charity event showing this movie and it was outstanding. We have been trying to figure our which direction they would take for this film. We prepared by watching Flashpoint Paradox, Justice League: War, and The Dark Knight Returns. We read All-Star Superman, and the Long

I'm a long long time reader (got on back in the Phantom Menace days). I've only posted a couple times in like 10 years or more. I have no clue what this reviewer went in expecting, but I took two 16-yr-old kids yesterday to a charity event showing this movie and it was outstanding. We have been trying to figure our which direction they would take for this film. We prepared by watching Flashpoint Paradox, Justice League: War, and The Dark Knight Returns. We read All-Star Superman, and the Long Halloween. Some of you didn't appreciate MOS. I knew it was the beginning of a mythology that is being build on a new foundation. These meta humans exist in a real world; not this bubble gum wink' wink' world that Marvel's characters live in where there are no consequences. Snyder has managed to pull off a Watchmen for our generation. This movie pulls from all the the DC cartoons I mentioned above. It pulls from the best ideas of each one. Batman is unrelenting in this. Superman is an all powerful God among men. Wonder Woman is a warrior! The effort and passion that went into this movie is felt everywhere. Just look at our heroes. They are crazy jacked. Superman looks like the Statue of David, Batman looks like he could rip your damn head off, and Wonder Woman is elegant as well as strong. The world building here is unfathomable. I can see why it took so long to get to screen.
I will say this. Talking about this with my son, I stated that our heroes are so over powered that whatever villian they face is going to have to be a world ending foe. Doomsday is crazy powerful, full of immense energy. Synder said, "Awe, you thought I blew up too much in the last movie? Well, I'm going to destroy an entire Island and show you what super powered Gods can do to this planet".
This is not a kid's movie. This movie was made for me. I saw Superman 1 and 2 in the theater when I was kid. Folks like me who grew up with this character have been waiting for him to be realized like he is in the comics. We finally got a glimpse of that in MOS. This Superman is not afraid to kick your ass and he looks just like he stepped out of a comic book, but at the same time, he is existing in a real world; not some over saturated sunny happy world. He exists in a world of 9/11, terrorists, the information age. This movie connects because it realizes these characters in way that you don't have to use your imagination anymore.
I'm sorry if this seems jumbled, but I'm so upset with the review I've seen. I can see where they are taking this, and I'm telling you, it makes Marvel look like a Saturday morning cartoon. This is a grown up movie with supernatural sci-fi elements that fit in our time. My son sat on my bed last night after the movie and we just talked till 1 in the morning. He was so pumped to see it again.
Quit reading this crap. And JoBlo, I don't know who is responsible for this review, but this guy is 100% wrong. You know how I know that Snyder succeeded? Because I'm a 40-yr-old school administrator with a 16-yr-old and we will be seeing this movie again this weekend....maybe twice. He made this movie for my son and I; not for you pretentious geeks. 10 out of 10. I say that because when I saw parts of Flashpoint, War, and Dark Knight Returns all over this picture, I couldn't contain my excitement for what's to come.

Looks like the concerns hold true in the final product...

I was worried about an out of place Lex, more overdone CGI action, a tacked on doomsday, and another waste of Superman's character. While I won't let one review be my only judge, it seems like those are sticking points in the movie as expected to be. Too bad, because I like Cavill as Supes and I agree with the article that he's totally wasted in this role. Unfortunately none of this will rid us of Synder.

I was worried about an out of place Lex, more overdone CGI action, a tacked on doomsday, and another waste of Superman's character. While I won't let one review be my only judge, it seems like those are sticking points in the movie as expected to be. Too bad, because I like Cavill as Supes and I agree with the article that he's totally wasted in this role. Unfortunately none of this will rid us of Synder.

This is why I feel the reviewer made up his mind b4 the movie

- " For a movie called BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE, I sure thought it could have used more Batman and Superman." (Pre conceived notion on what you believe should be the amount of batman and superman, make note that Batman is only in Begins for a total of 15-20 mins, TDK for an additional 10 mins and TDK back down to 20 mins)

- Here's a film that spends almost an hour getting to its first real action sequence, and most of that keeps Batman detained inside his batmobile, while almost

- " For a movie called BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE, I sure thought it could have used more Batman and Superman." (Pre conceived notion on what you believe should be the amount of batman and superman, make note that Batman is only in Begins for a total of 15-20 mins, TDK for an additional 10 mins and TDK back down to 20 mins)

- Here's a film that spends almost an hour getting to its first real action sequence, and most of that keeps Batman detained inside his batmobile, while almost all of Supes' deeds are relegated to montages. But characters sure do talk about these two a lot. (so basically you were hoping to just jump to Batman and Superman fighting and the talking and plot development building UP to it is a detriment?, so many people complained that superman didnt save cats out of trees in MOS that they made a montage and you complain?)

-There will be a lot of chapter-skipping when this thing hits Blu-ray, I guarantee you. (now you are putting your opinion as the general consensus)

-Sadly, it's a rather unexceptional car chase that kind of goes nowhere. Not that we have to compare them, but look at how Christopher Nolan staged any of the chase scenes in the DARK KNGIHT trilogy for a primer on how it's really done. (oh you mean like what is considered to be one of the WORST chase scenes in cinematic history due to the editing? [link] )

- After a familiar prologue introducing us to Bruce Wayne (Ben Affleck) - you knew his parents were murdered and he fell down a bat-infested well as a kid, right? (well yes we've seen it b4 but showing us 30 seconds or 1 min isn't going to hurt the movie, infact itll probably make it more relatable if Bruce is talking about it and we the audience experienced it as he has)

-When the movie finally seems to have gathered some steam, it goes for broke in a garbled, foolhardy way. We're introduced to Doomsday, a Kryptonian monster the movie brings in to destroy some cities. Can't make one of these without obliterating a city, can you? (hopefully if you reviewed Avengers,Thor 2,Cap 2,Age of Ultron that you noted that as a negative too, cant play favorites now cuz then it underminds your credibility as a critic)

alright alright, im getting tired of writing more of this but you get the point.
it's clear you judged hte movie b4 you saw it. I have seen negative reviews with people who are able to clearly and competently outline why they didn't like the movie or why they felt it was weak. This one however does not fall into this category.

Still going to see the film and form my own opinion on it, regardless of what is being said. The critics can surprise me sometimes. Take Iron Man 3 for example, a movie that sucked balls, but somehow mustered a percent rating in the 70's on RT.

Still going to see the film and form my own opinion on it, regardless of what is being said. The critics can surprise me sometimes. Take Iron Man 3 for example, a movie that sucked balls, but somehow mustered a percent rating in the 70's on RT.

Seems like you want a MArvel movie!

5 out fo 10 what a joke!.First I don't really care or listen to critics but felt like sharing a fan rant. Itís nonsense the majority of the critic reviews sayings it's grim, gritty plenty of violence and action wish it had more humor..Weirder complaints was it has CGI Really the whole point of the comic movie explosion is because, of the advancements of CGI and SNyder uses it in a way that depending on the ability he still adds some realism to it that either we work to see some moves since

5 out fo 10 what a joke!.First I don't really care or listen to critics but felt like sharing a fan rant. Itís nonsense the majority of the critic reviews sayings it's grim, gritty plenty of violence and action wish it had more humor..Weirder complaints was it has CGI Really the whole point of the comic movie explosion is because, of the advancements of CGI and SNyder uses it in a way that depending on the ability he still adds some realism to it that either we work to see some moves since hello they have powers so they can not react like me or you and his CGi style shows that type of forceful movement hard to explain it but you can see it in MOS or Watchman?. Let's be clear Superman, Batman and Wonder woman are not funny comic characters they are more realistic in nature and have that dry humor or none at all. the comedy can come from other character like Flash, Lantern etc..In Dc it also depends the back and forth between certain Character relationship some are all business otherís sarcastic otherís are like brother and sisters some more comedic we have all types of combos relationships. These critics forget for the 2nd movie in the DC universe that itís clear compared to the 2nd flick of MArvel that Dc is bringing the bang for the buck!.It seems these critics are either MArvel fanboys since it sounds like they thought this was a DIsney Marvel movie or they don't know the characters at all. ALert itís a DC movie!! Their complaints are all qualities I want in this movie gritty, grim and powerful realistic feeling and of course it has CGI dummies what comic flick doesn't have CGI this just shows you they are reaching for negatives and the negatives for me personally are positives since it's exactly what I want from this movie and much more..Visually i want it to be insane! And this is why Critics are useless and we all know the haters are going to hate but it these are the complaints than expect a GREAT Movie!

Syder and Michael Bay need to go

Can we send Snyder and Michael Bay to a distant planet and keep them away from movies until I croak? These two will never get it. 99% explosions, 1% Character development and plot. STOP giving these guys jobs, Hollywood!

Can we send Snyder and Michael Bay to a distant planet and keep them away from movies until I croak? These two will never get it. 99% explosions, 1% Character development and plot. STOP giving these guys jobs, Hollywood!

interesting comment, seeing as how one of the complaints in this review, is how long it took to get to the action. An hour and a half to get to the fight. So...one of the major complaints I've read is the LACK of action. If you're gonna complain...at least know what to complain about.

interesting comment, seeing as how one of the complaints in this review, is how long it took to get to the action. An hour and a half to get to the fight. So...one of the major complaints I've read is the LACK of action. If you're gonna complain...at least know what to complain about.

I didn't just say TOO much action is the problem. I said character development and PLOT. Which Snyder clearly sucks at because if he took the first hour of the movie on these two things, and most people are still giving it a thumbs down, then he sucks at both.

I didn't just say TOO much action is the problem. I said character development and PLOT. Which Snyder clearly sucks at because if he took the first hour of the movie on these two things, and most people are still giving it a thumbs down, then he sucks at both.

when you say his movies are 99% explosions..it's kind of hard to take it any other way. Yes...you mention plot and character development, which appear to be the biggest issues in this movie. But,. clearly...too many explosions is not a problem.
Obviously you aren't a fan, which is fine...but, it's just such a blanket statement for his movies, which actually isn't one in this movie. That's all.

when you say his movies are 99% explosions..it's kind of hard to take it any other way. Yes...you mention plot and character development, which appear to be the biggest issues in this movie. But,. clearly...too many explosions is not a problem.
Obviously you aren't a fan, which is fine...but, it's just such a blanket statement for his movies, which actually isn't one in this movie. That's all.

I would have liked Warners to have taken their time to established their DCU. Judging from the reviews, it's obvious the short cuts to Justice League aren't paying off and the rush is hurting them. If they're confident in their properties, did they really need to rush? If anything, Marvel proved that taking the time to establish each character pays off in varying degrees and they've yet to drop the ball, financially anyway. Did we really need Batman in this? Couldn't they have corrected the

I would have liked Warners to have taken their time to established their DCU. Judging from the reviews, it's obvious the short cuts to Justice League aren't paying off and the rush is hurting them. If they're confident in their properties, did they really need to rush? If anything, Marvel proved that taking the time to establish each character pays off in varying degrees and they've yet to drop the ball, financially anyway. Did we really need Batman in this? Couldn't they have corrected the mistakes in Man of Steel and worked on a better sequel, while establishing a new Batman in a solo film and then throw them together?

So many people saying "I'm not bothered about it" or "I knew it would be awful" and following it with "But I'll still go to see it". That actually winds me up. How do you expect studios to learn if you're going to pay them for their utter failures over and over again simply because they put the words "Batman" and "Superman" on a poster? This is how we end up with four excruciating Transformers movies.

So many people saying "I'm not bothered about it" or "I knew it would be awful" and following it with "But I'll still go to see it". That actually winds me up. How do you expect studios to learn if you're going to pay them for their utter failures over and over again simply because they put the words "Batman" and "Superman" on a poster? This is how we end up with four excruciating Transformers movies.

I wish they wouldn't embargo reviews for so long when tickets go on sale almost a month before. Took a risk and suspect I'm gonna pay for it. Agree with your point. I usually trust my gut and it serves me well enough. Truth be told BVS was the only reason I took the risk. Got to cop to that. Better be half decent as IMAX is bloody expensive!

I wish they wouldn't embargo reviews for so long when tickets go on sale almost a month before. Took a risk and suspect I'm gonna pay for it. Agree with your point. I usually trust my gut and it serves me well enough. Truth be told BVS was the only reason I took the risk. Got to cop to that. Better be half decent as IMAX is bloody expensive!

As the first time Batman And Superman have met up on the big screen, I don't see many people who care about such things saying "I won't go see it, to make a stand" - pretty unrealistic. Even if the reviews aren't stellar, this isn't something comic and comicbook movie lovers are going to stay away from in significant numbers. If the majority audience genuinely hates it you could maybe expect that toward Snyder's next DC movie, but if feedback is genuinely that bad it's more likely ditching

As the first time Batman And Superman have met up on the big screen, I don't see many people who care about such things saying "I won't go see it, to make a stand" - pretty unrealistic. Even if the reviews aren't stellar, this isn't something comic and comicbook movie lovers are going to stay away from in significant numbers. If the majority audience genuinely hates it you could maybe expect that toward Snyder's next DC movie, but if feedback is genuinely that bad it's more likely ditching Snyder as director is a decision WB would take to turn things around rather than blindly letting him run things into the ground, if indeed that is what he's doing.

It's kind of a bit unrealistic to ask genre fans to not go to this, because reviews were luke warm. It still sounds like there are some pretty cool scenes. I know I am disappointed in the reviews, but I still want to see it, and judge for myself.
Where it hurts the movie, is when those people don't see it again, and non-genre or fringe fans don't go at all.
"Spider-Man 3" I think we can all agree was awful. It sits at #11 all time for opening weekends, with $151 million. It dropped 63% the

It's kind of a bit unrealistic to ask genre fans to not go to this, because reviews were luke warm. It still sounds like there are some pretty cool scenes. I know I am disappointed in the reviews, but I still want to see it, and judge for myself.
Where it hurts the movie, is when those people don't see it again, and non-genre or fringe fans don't go at all.
"Spider-Man 3" I think we can all agree was awful. It sits at #11 all time for opening weekends, with $151 million. It dropped 63% the following weekend. And...we are done with Sam Raimi's Spider-Man.
"Batman and Robin" didn't make quite the bank back in 1997, but it opened the same with the same amount as "Batman Returns"...it dropped 63% the next weekend...and killed the franchise until Chris Nolan came along.
The reviews are going to affect people that hate Zack Snyder and normal movie goers.But, people who love the characters (skeptical of the movie or not)...still wanna see these titans on the big screen.
That's IMO, of course.

I'm not going to take anyone's word for what this movie is or isn't. I've been waiting a couple years for it, so I'm going to go see it and form my own opinion on it. Reviews have never stopped me from seeing something that I'm interested in and this case will be no different. I didn't give Bay anymore money for his Transformers franchise after I saw the first film, but I had to see the first one to give it a chance. I enjoyed Man of Steel immensely, so I can't really see myself being

I'm not going to take anyone's word for what this movie is or isn't. I've been waiting a couple years for it, so I'm going to go see it and form my own opinion on it. Reviews have never stopped me from seeing something that I'm interested in and this case will be no different. I didn't give Bay anymore money for his Transformers franchise after I saw the first film, but I had to see the first one to give it a chance. I enjoyed Man of Steel immensely, so I can't really see myself being disappointed with this one.

@darkstrEam Ditching Snyder as the director on future films won't solve anything. Snyder has fundamentally done so much damage to the universe and characters it would take an X-Men: Days of Future Past storyline to unfuck this. I am not a fan of Iron Man 2 & 3 or the Thor movies but they never damaged the universe or characters in a way that made me think future movies had no hope

@darkstrEam Ditching Snyder as the director on future films won't solve anything. Snyder has fundamentally done so much damage to the universe and characters it would take an X-Men: Days of Future Past storyline to unfuck this. I am not a fan of Iron Man 2 & 3 or the Thor movies but they never damaged the universe or characters in a way that made me think future movies had no hope

If I could "like" replies I would, as there's some genuinely sound responses in this thread that I honestly assumed would just be a series of "shut the fuck up" type replies.
Either way, if you were a fan of Man of Steel, whilst I totally disagree with your opinion on that movie, I can understand why you'd want to see a sequel, but it's the people who disliked MoS that get me. This IS Snyder's "next DC movie" and yet people are willing to pay for a film they're not too bothered about,

If I could "like" replies I would, as there's some genuinely sound responses in this thread that I honestly assumed would just be a series of "shut the fuck up" type replies.
Either way, if you were a fan of Man of Steel, whilst I totally disagree with your opinion on that movie, I can understand why you'd want to see a sequel, but it's the people who disliked MoS that get me. This IS Snyder's "next DC movie" and yet people are willing to pay for a film they're not too bothered about, following a film they disliked, because of two names on the poster. It almost seems as if making the movie is moot at that point, people are parting with their cash simply for a title alone, knowing full well (especially with these reviews) that it's not going to live up to the promise of that title. It's weird.

Snyder's always been at the cusp of making a great movie, but has only made good ones. I feel like I should stop expecting him to break through to the other side. Too much style and not enough substance.

Snyder's always been at the cusp of making a great movie, but has only made good ones. I feel like I should stop expecting him to break through to the other side. Too much style and not enough substance.

Always felt the same way. 300 felt like it jumped right off the novel, as did Watchmen. I've always wondered if he had some stronger writers behind him, would that get him over the hump? Who knows, but it's always seemed that Snyder has had most if not, all the control over his films.

Always felt the same way. 300 felt like it jumped right off the novel, as did Watchmen. I've always wondered if he had some stronger writers behind him, would that get him over the hump? Who knows, but it's always seemed that Snyder has had most if not, all the control over his films.

The real issue is that, whether good or horrible (and regardless of reviews) it will make a ton of dough, thereby guaranteeing we'll get another mediocre Snyder DC comic book movie down the line. Many did not like Superman for the same reasons listed here... yet everyone is going to go see this (me included) because, well, we always hope. We can complain all we want - as long as we keep paying, they'll keep making. We only have ourselves to blame (and I include myself here). Did anyone really

The real issue is that, whether good or horrible (and regardless of reviews) it will make a ton of dough, thereby guaranteeing we'll get another mediocre Snyder DC comic book movie down the line. Many did not like Superman for the same reasons listed here... yet everyone is going to go see this (me included) because, well, we always hope. We can complain all we want - as long as we keep paying, they'll keep making. We only have ourselves to blame (and I include myself here). Did anyone really think this would be better than (or at least different from) Snyder's mediocre Superman film?

I can honestly say if it wasn't for the prospect of Batman V Superman I wouldn't have risked pre-booking. As you say we always hope. If it is not good I will not be seeing another Snyder DCCU movie at the cinema unless it gets good reviews. IMAX tickets cost me £50 for two. For that price I want to be entertained!

I can honestly say if it wasn't for the prospect of Batman V Superman I wouldn't have risked pre-booking. As you say we always hope. If it is not good I will not be seeing another Snyder DCCU movie at the cinema unless it gets good reviews. IMAX tickets cost me £50 for two. For that price I want to be entertained!

Honestly I thought it would be better than MoS. You got all the origin crap out of the way (and a mediocre villain in Zod), and could concentrate on him meeting the other heroes and (hopefully) an awesome villain. From what I've heard, it went in the opposite direction. It's actually bleaker than MoS, and Clark is kind of wasted in this (the only saving grace being Affleck and Gadot, who everyone was worried about).

This is my cutoff though. The studio needs to be shown that Snyder is

Honestly I thought it would be better than MoS. You got all the origin crap out of the way (and a mediocre villain in Zod), and could concentrate on him meeting the other heroes and (hopefully) an awesome villain. From what I've heard, it went in the opposite direction. It's actually bleaker than MoS, and Clark is kind of wasted in this (the only saving grace being Affleck and Gadot, who everyone was worried about).

This is my cutoff though. The studio needs to be shown that Snyder is the WRONG person to tell this story. They either need to put off the JL movie a year or two (and do some better prep movies), or get rid of him NOW and find someone who can tell a good story. It will be an insane waste of money to give us Darkseid in a two movie arc, then have the films barely break even.

If it WAS a Zack Snyder film for his fans...
I like the guy (I met him a couple of time and he seemed like a nice fellow), but for me a Snyder film is filed with beautiful slowmo shots, where you can see what's going on on the screen.
Since MoS, he's been doing shackycam garbage (maybe all of you people complaining about his slowmo thing got him to change his style, or it's Nolan's influence... Who's talent with action scenes has always divided people). Just compare action in Watchmen and

If it WAS a Zack Snyder film for his fans...
I like the guy (I met him a couple of time and he seemed like a nice fellow), but for me a Snyder film is filed with beautiful slowmo shots, where you can see what's going on on the screen.
Since MoS, he's been doing shackycam garbage (maybe all of you people complaining about his slowmo thing got him to change his style, or it's Nolan's influence... Who's talent with action scenes has always divided people). Just compare action in Watchmen and Mos, to see the obvious shift !
So, as far as I'm concerned, MoS and BvS are NOT Snyder films.
And, even though the review is a bit arch, it's sadly, mostly, right !

"Since MoS he's been doing shackycam garbage"
I assume you mean shakeycam. ..but, how many Snyder movies have you seen since MoS? Hes made one, and it's released tonight. Unless you saw the one of the premieres a couple nights ago.

"Since MoS he's been doing shackycam garbage"
I assume you mean shakeycam. ..but, how many Snyder movies have you seen since MoS? Hes made one, and it's released tonight. Unless you saw the one of the premieres a couple nights ago.

Going from their track record, how good did people expect this to be? Snyder visually and adapting certain elements is quite good, but he's not a strong story teller. Then you have David S. Goyer which is in Joblo's MovieJail. Chris Terrio is quite talented and who knows, maybe some of the best parts of BvS were influenced by him. I would hope so, considering he's writing Justice League Part 1 and 2. Myself, like most of you it seems, still need to see this movie, I have my ticket for Friday.

Going from their track record, how good did people expect this to be? Snyder visually and adapting certain elements is quite good, but he's not a strong story teller. Then you have David S. Goyer which is in Joblo's MovieJail. Chris Terrio is quite talented and who knows, maybe some of the best parts of BvS were influenced by him. I would hope so, considering he's writing Justice League Part 1 and 2. Myself, like most of you it seems, still need to see this movie, I have my ticket for Friday. I'm going in with an open mind and super excited to see everything come together. I guess we'll see our personal reviews pouring in shortly.

Rarely do views of critics coincide with my own. I will wait and see. At the end of the day we have a badass looking Batman going cape-to-cape against Superman, there is not a review out there that could keep me from seeing that. And just watching Batman pile drive that thugs head into the wood floor in the trailer is FUN enough for me.

Rarely do views of critics coincide with my own. I will wait and see. At the end of the day we have a badass looking Batman going cape-to-cape against Superman, there is not a review out there that could keep me from seeing that. And just watching Batman pile drive that thugs head into the wood floor in the trailer is FUN enough for me.

I'm going to wait and see

Reviews are all over the damn place on this. I loved MoS and think this will be good. Good not great. Some of the reviews (not this one) are FULL of vitriol. See it for yourself and then decide. Just because someone doesn't like it doesn't make them a "hater" and just because some one doesn't like it doesn't make them an idiot. That's Trump movie criticism and I like to think most of us (especially on this site) are better than that. End of the day it's impossible to be objective about a

Reviews are all over the damn place on this. I loved MoS and think this will be good. Good not great. Some of the reviews (not this one) are FULL of vitriol. See it for yourself and then decide. Just because someone doesn't like it doesn't make them a "hater" and just because some one doesn't like it doesn't make them an idiot. That's Trump movie criticism and I like to think most of us (especially on this site) are better than that. End of the day it's impossible to be objective about a subjective subject. See the movie and judge for yourself. Don't see or don't see a movie just because Rotten Tomatoes says so. Also if I hear the criticism that the DC movies "aren't Marvel" one more time I'm going to go Jules from "Pulp Fiction" I swear to God. There's no winning. Even if they tried to emulate Marvel people will still bitch that they are trying to rip off Marvel. Again no winning.

I think Zack is a GREAT adapter of SPECIFIC stuff or graphic novels. Watchmen and 300 are the comics come to life (well the ending of watchmen was changed - for the better in my opinion).
I also think he is good at doing original stuff - i loved Sucker Punch (you can hate on if you want, whatever, i loved it).
MOS was a good movie, but it wasnt an exact graphic novel. It was a retelling of Supermans origin. I wasnt dying over it, but i dont hate it. I dont have the killing Zod problem (as he

I think Zack is a GREAT adapter of SPECIFIC stuff or graphic novels. Watchmen and 300 are the comics come to life (well the ending of watchmen was changed - for the better in my opinion).
I also think he is good at doing original stuff - i loved Sucker Punch (you can hate on if you want, whatever, i loved it).
MOS was a good movie, but it wasnt an exact graphic novel. It was a retelling of Supermans origin. I wasnt dying over it, but i dont hate it. I dont have the killing Zod problem (as he was killed in Superman 2 - the best superhero movie of all time). My problem was that it was a bit too long. And yes there was a bit too much talking in that movie too. and it wasnt fun enough. The "talking" parts werent that interesting either, so i end up chaptering to the fights when i watch it on bluray. the fights are AMAZING!

I havent seen BVS yet, but i will friday morning. I have a feeling it will be too long and talky, but thats not a negative if the story is good. Which i can decide when i see it.
I hate to use Freddy vs Jason as a point of reference, but that was done really well. You have some Jason style kills, you have some Freddy style kills, then they fight. Done.
I know that Batman and Superman are not as simple as Freddy and Jason, but the point is, you have to have some Superman elements - saving the day, bright scenes etc, and some Batman stuff - beating up thugs, keeping the city safe at night etc. If it has that, then we are good. But i have to see it no matter what anyone says!

Such a shame, Batman en Supes have better cannon, a better backstorys then any other superhero out there. Both of them have great stories in them. I'm biased because i always thought that Zack Snyder was shit. I can give 300 a 6, Watchmen (directors cut) a 7, but that's about as positive as i can be. His films just miss heart, and real emotions. It leaves me as a viewer at a distance to everything that happens on screen, instead of pulling me in. The man has no humor in him, no actual drama

Such a shame, Batman en Supes have better cannon, a better backstorys then any other superhero out there. Both of them have great stories in them. I'm biased because i always thought that Zack Snyder was shit. I can give 300 a 6, Watchmen (directors cut) a 7, but that's about as positive as i can be. His films just miss heart, and real emotions. It leaves me as a viewer at a distance to everything that happens on screen, instead of pulling me in. The man has no humor in him, no actual drama that i can invest in, and thin stories to boot... He might be a good cinematographer but he's has no bussiness in being involved in storytelling.

This universe deserves better than this, it's better than these paperthin plots, CGI enhanced villains. Pick a director that does not pick style over substance

Listen. I'm a huge Batman fan and far from a DC hater but seriously people who are we kidding here? We all knew this was gonna happen, deep down, whether you want to admit it to yourself or not... The writing was on the wall. I mean C'mon! They got Snyder and Goyer helming this universe. Not much was expected. Whatever DC film Affleck decides to make wth WB will be lightyears better than anything Snyder could have come up with. I mean visually- I give the guy thay but really? Did you not watch

Listen. I'm a huge Batman fan and far from a DC hater but seriously people who are we kidding here? We all knew this was gonna happen, deep down, whether you want to admit it to yourself or not... The writing was on the wall. I mean C'mon! They got Snyder and Goyer helming this universe. Not much was expected. Whatever DC film Affleck decides to make wth WB will be lightyears better than anything Snyder could have come up with. I mean visually- I give the guy thay but really? Did you not watch MOS? Like I'm not a MOS hater. It was entertaining. But so can be watching a fishtank. MOS was OKAY if it wasn't anything at all. And Sucker Punch and Watchmen? I give you Watchmen. That was good. But we all know the amazing cast is what made that movie work. I saw the first trailer for BVS and I though... "Ok. This might be decent." Then I saw the 2nd trailer and the big reveal and I thought... "Oh shit. We're fucked." Look... I like all or at least most of you wanted this to work. But I'm not gonna sit here and kid myself. Suicide Squad looks amazing compared to BVS and hopefully those future films can make up for it. Unfortunately this movie is gonna make so much bank that Snyder will be back regardless which sucks because had this not been BVS and just a regular Snyder franchise I'm sure it'd bomb or perform lacklusterly and no one would have him back. That's the truth. Don't lie to yourselves. We all know Snyder is to blame here but I place even more if not most of the blame on the studio. Like how can you trust someone like him wth something this epic in every way? Just doesn't make sense. But it'll sure make dollars...

Completely agree except for the fact that I didn't like MoS. I grew up a DC fan, I always connected to their characters and stories, comics and graphic novels, so it pains me to see this happen. I still have a glimmer of hope for SS and I totally agree that Affleck will do wonders with a stand alone Batman, but outside of that and possibly Wonder Woman, it's dead in the water. It's DC for nickleback fans and people that don't need story to enjoy a film. Style over substance is not what DC

Completely agree except for the fact that I didn't like MoS. I grew up a DC fan, I always connected to their characters and stories, comics and graphic novels, so it pains me to see this happen. I still have a glimmer of hope for SS and I totally agree that Affleck will do wonders with a stand alone Batman, but outside of that and possibly Wonder Woman, it's dead in the water. It's DC for nickleback fans and people that don't need story to enjoy a film. Style over substance is not what DC deserves

I don't know. I don't think there's ever been a $400 million (plus) movie that got 40% among the critics. I think it's going to hurt the box office and I think the bad reviews are going to scare the studio that's about to invest about a billion dollars into the JL movies. I think the best thing that can come out of this is a new director helming the vision for DC (and preferably a new Flash).

I don't know. I don't think there's ever been a $400 million (plus) movie that got 40% among the critics. I think it's going to hurt the box office and I think the bad reviews are going to scare the studio that's about to invest about a billion dollars into the JL movies. I think the best thing that can come out of this is a new director helming the vision for DC (and preferably a new Flash).

@Des1: Here's hoping man. Fingers fuckin' crossed. I'm not a hater. Snyder like Bay makes a particular style of film (if you could even call it that) that has it's audience. I am not that audience. As a film major, self proclaimed connoisseur of film, and writer it's just not the type of audience I was hoping for with this DCU.

@Des1: Here's hoping man. Fingers fuckin' crossed. I'm not a hater. Snyder like Bay makes a particular style of film (if you could even call it that) that has it's audience. I am not that audience. As a film major, self proclaimed connoisseur of film, and writer it's just not the type of audience I was hoping for with this DCU.

lol

So if the average episode of Supergirl, Gotham, or Legends of Tomorrow regularly scores between an 8 and a 10 does this mean Batman V Superman is around half as good as an average episode of one of those shows?

According to your rating system, it is.

So if the average episode of Supergirl, Gotham, or Legends of Tomorrow regularly scores between an 8 and a 10 does this mean Batman V Superman is around half as good as an average episode of one of those shows?

8.5/10 in my books

excellent movie, even if I have to admit I was a little disappointed (probably cause the expectation was too high)
for me, right after, Batman Begins, The Dark Knight and Watchmen, it's the best super hero movie I have seen so far...

excellent movie, even if I have to admit I was a little disappointed (probably cause the expectation was too high)
for me, right after, Batman Begins, The Dark Knight and Watchmen, it's the best super hero movie I have seen so far...

Has anyone seen Sucker Punch?

Why is this surprising to all of you? Nobody was defending M Night Shyamalan or Alex Proyas after they made a string of shit movies, why is this extended to Snyder? Because he puts his name on things you like? The guy is obsessed with visuals instead of storytelling. Also Frank Miller's Dark Knight is not set in the main DC universe it is a self contained story set in an alternative universe, why would anybody think that is a good comic to build a tent pole franchise around?

Why is this surprising to all of you? Nobody was defending M Night Shyamalan or Alex Proyas after they made a string of shit movies, why is this extended to Snyder? Because he puts his name on things you like? The guy is obsessed with visuals instead of storytelling. Also Frank Miller's Dark Knight is not set in the main DC universe it is a self contained story set in an alternative universe, why would anybody think that is a good comic to build a tent pole franchise around?

@psycheoutsteve It's not an adaptation but it's so heavily influenced by it, it might as well be. They would never do a straight adaptation when they can use elements of it because there is less people to pay if you use elements of it. No other batman has him use guns so liberally.

@psycheoutsteve It's not an adaptation but it's so heavily influenced by it, it might as well be. They would never do a straight adaptation when they can use elements of it because there is less people to pay if you use elements of it. No other batman has him use guns so liberally.

I wouldn't call it even moderately influenced by it, perhaps lightly influenced is more fitting. There are certain things that you can tell were taken from it, (exo-batsuit) but I can tell just from the trailers that this goes in a whole other direction. Even the motives for why Bats and Supes fight each other are different in this. As for the gun thing, I don't think we're going to see Batman really harp on using guns here. The main gun he carries is probably some sort of kryptonite grenade

I wouldn't call it even moderately influenced by it, perhaps lightly influenced is more fitting. There are certain things that you can tell were taken from it, (exo-batsuit) but I can tell just from the trailers that this goes in a whole other direction. Even the motives for why Bats and Supes fight each other are different in this. As for the gun thing, I don't think we're going to see Batman really harp on using guns here. The main gun he carries is probably some sort of kryptonite grenade launcher which launches a shell that releases particles in Supes' hands when he catches it.

12h...

...then I'll have my own opinion on the movie. The reviews online don't make me happy and I can see some points beeing the problem, but the "no fun" argument isn't one. Watchmen wasn't fun or had many light moments, but why should it? Because it's a CBM? It's a dark and depressing story, so is the source material for BvS with The Dark Knight Returns. It doesn't have to be fun. You don't expect a WW2 movie to be fun. Optimistic? Sure, but if is not, that shouldn't be an argument.
Man of Steel

...then I'll have my own opinion on the movie. The reviews online don't make me happy and I can see some points beeing the problem, but the "no fun" argument isn't one. Watchmen wasn't fun or had many light moments, but why should it? Because it's a CBM? It's a dark and depressing story, so is the source material for BvS with The Dark Knight Returns. It doesn't have to be fun. You don't expect a WW2 movie to be fun. Optimistic? Sure, but if is not, that shouldn't be an argument.
Man of Steel would probably have benefit from having more light moments like Superman taking flight for the first time or the Daily Planet scene at the end. I honestly would've liked that. But because it didn't have them doesn't mean it's a bad movie. It is different from other blockbuster movies, it is a beautiful movie which goes deeper into Superman than any movie before. People seems to expect certain things from CBMs, but because a movie does not go with the blockbuster-formular doesn't make it a bad movie, just a different one and they should be judged by that. Just like you judge Deadpool as an over-the-top fun insane movie, BvS and other movies should be judged as the serious and dark movies they intend to be.

I still wanna see the film at leat two times

I think that so much people wanna see an Avengers Version from DC, but this a Diferent Comic Universe, so everybody can read diferent the final product and see diferent opinion, so i Iam ready to see it tomorrow.

I think that so much people wanna see an Avengers Version from DC, but this a Diferent Comic Universe, so everybody can read diferent the final product and see diferent opinion, so i Iam ready to see it tomorrow.

Man of Steel put up an absolutely fantastic trailer, and then was truly dull. Heck, I'm one of the few who enjoyed Superman Returns more (although I doubt I'll re-watch either again for long years to come), mostly because of the scenes that made me feel like it was a Superman and Clark Kent and Lois Lane movie - corny, slightly saccharine, and fun. Every trailer I have seen for BvS looks like a Transformers movie. This review and others sound like what I expected - two actors well suited for

Man of Steel put up an absolutely fantastic trailer, and then was truly dull. Heck, I'm one of the few who enjoyed Superman Returns more (although I doubt I'll re-watch either again for long years to come), mostly because of the scenes that made me feel like it was a Superman and Clark Kent and Lois Lane movie - corny, slightly saccharine, and fun. Every trailer I have seen for BvS looks like a Transformers movie. This review and others sound like what I expected - two actors well suited for their roles, in a failed attempt to make a memorable comic book epic film. And yet, it will still probably make a billion dollars.

Uh-Oh!

Well...shit!
I've been reading reviews from different sites for the movie opening, and it's getting lukewarm reviews at best.
Mind you, I did like MOS.
IMHO, when anyone is watching a movie, a person can critique a movie as positive or negative.. Rotten Tomatoes can be a gauge on a movie-going audiences' perception of a movie, but at the end of the day, it's YOU, that sat there and spent some hard-earned cash to watch it, and only YOU can say that you either enjoyed it or you didn't

Well...shit!
I've been reading reviews from different sites for the movie opening, and it's getting lukewarm reviews at best.
Mind you, I did like MOS.
IMHO, when anyone is watching a movie, a person can critique a movie as positive or negative.. Rotten Tomatoes can be a gauge on a movie-going audiences' perception of a movie, but at the end of the day, it's YOU, that sat there and spent some hard-earned cash to watch it, and only YOU can say that you either enjoyed it or you didn't enjoy it. I've watched some movies that got a poor rating on Rotten Tomatoes, but I personally enjoyed the movies themselves, flaws and all, and I think that is all that matters at the end of the day.
With that being said, I believe that we may be on a "superhero movie" saturation point (or getting close to it), and I suspect that Marvel and DC might start to see their audiences start to not shell out cash to see these huge dollar movies. Just my two cents.

BTW: I'm going to see it this Friday! Fingers crossed I won't be disappointed!

Dammit!!! 38 percent on the tomato meter doesn't look good. I had a strong feeling about this just like FF the year before and Amazing Spider-Man 2 the year before that. You don't necessarily have to see crap to smell it (hope I'm wrong). Managed to dodge those two at the cinema and was glad I did once I eventually saw them. I wanted this one to be good enough to ignore my instincts and buy my IMAX tickets. Hope this one is the exception to the rule. My opinion on going forward - ditch

Dammit!!! 38 percent on the tomato meter doesn't look good. I had a strong feeling about this just like FF the year before and Amazing Spider-Man 2 the year before that. You don't necessarily have to see crap to smell it (hope I'm wrong). Managed to dodge those two at the cinema and was glad I did once I eventually saw them. I wanted this one to be good enough to ignore my instincts and buy my IMAX tickets. Hope this one is the exception to the rule. My opinion on going forward - ditch Snyder fast! There is an iceberg ahead of the DCCU and he's going straight for it. My opinion - pump the breaks, see how Ayers' Suicide Squad does and if good, see if he wants to be the new captain. If BVS is as bad as they are saying, this will be the last time I pre-book a Snyder directed DCCU movie.

Hi darkwind. I hear you there and I would say that I'm not quite jumping off a building, but am reading the reviews for general concensus which in my experience often paints a reasonable picture en mass of the finished product. After all they serve as a reasonable barometer for those who cannot afford to see every film each year. For me my issue with Snyder goes way back before the DCCU. While I enjoyed Dawn of the Dead and thought Watchmen was pretty good (don't know the source material but

Hi darkwind. I hear you there and I would say that I'm not quite jumping off a building, but am reading the reviews for general concensus which in my experience often paints a reasonable picture en mass of the finished product. After all they serve as a reasonable barometer for those who cannot afford to see every film each year. For me my issue with Snyder goes way back before the DCCU. While I enjoyed Dawn of the Dead and thought Watchmen was pretty good (don't know the source material but I'm told he nailed it), I have a serious problem with his love of CGI environments that pull me out of the experience. I just couldn't get into 300 which is probably quite a divisive film (I know it has a following), and for me that visual style creeping in at the end of MOS was a nail in the coffin of an otherwise decent previous two thirds. It's clear there is more of the same here because, well there it was in the trailer, but if what comes before it is also slow and boring well that certainly is a worry. On another note i also find that Snyder is not always the best story teller (though as you say, neither is Goyer). No building jumping here but no blind faith either. It doesn't look good thus far. I would like to enjoy the movie and that may happen when I see it this weekend. Fingers crossed right?

Personal opinion, the movie is a mess plain and simple. I was "lucky" enough to see it early, only it wasn't a good time at the movies. Two good things, and really these were the only two good things, about this movie: Ben Affleck as Batman (Bruce Wayne not as much) and Wonder Woman. That's it. Now I'm already seeing and hearing a lot of butthurt fanboys groaning at the reviews. Just wait until you see it, you'll understand. And for those who are saying "well the fans are liking it", yes of

Personal opinion, the movie is a mess plain and simple. I was "lucky" enough to see it early, only it wasn't a good time at the movies. Two good things, and really these were the only two good things, about this movie: Ben Affleck as Batman (Bruce Wayne not as much) and Wonder Woman. That's it. Now I'm already seeing and hearing a lot of butthurt fanboys groaning at the reviews. Just wait until you see it, you'll understand. And for those who are saying "well the fans are liking it", yes of course some people will like it. I just wonder how many of those positive reviews are real and not from people who worked on the movie.

Seems like people forget what fun is. Reading these comments they seem to think fun equates comedy or silliness. I guess it's that Marvel vs DC mentality that has been polluting the internet. The Dark Knight was as dark and gritty as a movie can get, it pushed PG-13 to the edge, yet it's one of the most fun films ever produced. Fun means enjoying a film to it's fullest. If it feels like a chore to watch, then it's not a fun film. That is the problem with Batman v Superman.

Seems like people forget what fun is. Reading these comments they seem to think fun equates comedy or silliness. I guess it's that Marvel vs DC mentality that has been polluting the internet. The Dark Knight was as dark and gritty as a movie can get, it pushed PG-13 to the edge, yet it's one of the most fun films ever produced. Fun means enjoying a film to it's fullest. If it feels like a chore to watch, then it's not a fun film. That is the problem with Batman v Superman.

"Seems like people forget what fun is. Reading these comments they seem to think fun equates comedy or silliness."

The review said that "Every event is glum, almost everyone is humorless and solemn. Even Nolan's famously dour Batman movies had some bounce to them; the action provided pizzaz, AND THEY WEREN'T AFRAID TO BRING OPTIMISM to the forefront every once in a while and ease off the bleakness."

This movie didn't do that. So it wasn't about it having comedy or silliness to make it

"Seems like people forget what fun is. Reading these comments they seem to think fun equates comedy or silliness."

The review said that "Every event is glum, almost everyone is humorless and solemn. Even Nolan's famously dour Batman movies had some bounce to them; the action provided pizzaz, AND THEY WEREN'T AFRAID TO BRING OPTIMISM to the forefront every once in a while and ease off the bleakness."

This movie didn't do that. So it wasn't about it having comedy or silliness to make it fun. It was the fact that it didn't have what was mentioned.

Snyder was one of favorite filmmakers up until Man of Steel. I'm waiting to see how he does with this one to decide how I feel about him. He will get props If he makes either that George Washington movie or that Fountainhead adaption though.

Snyder was one of favorite filmmakers up until Man of Steel. I'm waiting to see how he does with this one to decide how I feel about him. He will get props If he makes either that George Washington movie or that Fountainhead adaption though.

My review from the premiere.

So I'm already seeing people "attack" Eric on his review of this monumental movie. And I'm here to tell you to stop, and wait and see it for yourself. First off, I'm a huge comic book fan. Die hard. But I also work in the film industry. I go into movies being quite familiar with the preproduction updates, castings, crew, and everything in between (which by the way I mostly get from Joblo! Love you guys). So when I watch a movie like this, I try and halt my expectations from getting too high. It

So I'm already seeing people "attack" Eric on his review of this monumental movie. And I'm here to tell you to stop, and wait and see it for yourself. First off, I'm a huge comic book fan. Die hard. But I also work in the film industry. I go into movies being quite familiar with the preproduction updates, castings, crew, and everything in between (which by the way I mostly get from Joblo! Love you guys). So when I watch a movie like this, I try and halt my expectations from getting too high. It doesn't do me any good in preparing myself for a viewing of such a highly anticipated movie. I have friends and families waiting over 40 YEARS for this film to happen! So the stakes are high and I was completely willing to give this movie its fighting chance. And all the elements were there to get me excited. Ben Affleck as the Bat was perfect in my eyes, and he is! I like Cavill as Supes. Gal Gadot was a concern for me based on her thin resume but I got into it. Even Jesse Eisenberg had me curious as I think he's one of the better young actors really throwing out power house performances given the RIGHT material.
So when I sat down at Radio City to watch this puppy at the PREMIERE, no one was more excited than me. The cast was there, even Will Smith showed up to throw up some piece signs for press (I'm still totally pumped for Suicide Squad). But to get straight to the point, it was mostly disappointing. I actually loved the first half more than most critics. Yes, slow, but it was a slow burn. A nice tonal build up to stakes so high you couldn't WAIT for the shit to smack down. But just like everyone's frustration in having to watch another radioactive spider bite Peter Parker, we just don't need to see Bruce's parents get killed again in another highly Synder stylized cinematic opening. We JUST DON'T NEED IT! Bruce is 45 years old! But this comes down to a problem with the screenplay. The death of his parents in this iteration, yet again, plays a key role in the plot, specifically the relationship between Batman and Superman. No spoilers but you'll be able to figure it out after the opening credits finish.
Now I won't get into too many specifics about what I saw. And there is a lot here to really enjoy. Like I said, Affleck kills it as Batman. He's great. What little he had to work with, Jeremy Irons' Alfred is a strong fresh take on the character. And if I took anything positive away from THIS movie is that I'm even more excited to see the solo Wonder Woman next year! Gal is really only in it for hot seconds until the finale and she truly does kick some ass. Really leaving you wanting more.
But the second half is where it all falls apart. In fact, theres a specific dream sequence that will leave the GENERAL MOVIE AUDIENCE scratching their heads going "WTF?" Now as a comic fan of the mythos, I get where they are going. The easter eggs are nice. It just leaves you wanting more, which you think you're going to get. But as the second act progressed I started to realize what the main problem was. And thats CONGESTION. It just feels like DC and Warner Bros. are so desperate to catch up with the Marvel Cinematic Universe that they are shoving all this exposition down our throats with little to know clarity. And while its fairly exciting for the fanbooys and girls, it ruined the pace of the movie. The whole Doomsday plot comes out of left field and just feels like another overly CGI monster mash in order to HAVE a climactic grand finale, bloated with yet more explosions. They didn't even get him right. It should have been saved for a separate movie with Superman that actually puts the source material to better use. It was rushed, and choppy. The movie should have been all about Batman's journey into how he can take down a being like Supes, get into the battle royale (Which is too little too late, in my opinion) and then properly resolve as to learn that Lex Luthor is the true manipulator here, leaving room to open up the franchise. Oh, and while I'm on the subject of Lex, Eisenberg was completely miscast. As an actor I can appreciate putting a new and unique spin on a character but for someone like Lex Luthor he did exactly what most people feared he would do and thats Eisenberg the shit out of Luthor. This is a classic case of if its not broke, don't fix it. And it just adds to the rubble.
Ultimately, if you're looking for some cool action sequences, you'll get a couple here. But as far as story goes, they did not succeed in properly setting the stage for a grand cinematic world leading to the Justice League. Oh and don't bother waiting for post red stingers. Let's just keep that a Marvel thing.

A close friend of mine manages a theater and I got to see an employee screening for BVS tonight. I enjoyed it, it was far from perfect, but it was definitely a good film. I'm seeing it again on Friday night, and I can't wait to analyze a few specific scenes. I'd give it a 7 out of 10, maybe even a 7.5. As far as big team up superhero films go, It was better than the terrible 'Age of Ultron', but it wasn't nearly as fun as the first Avengers film. All in all these big team up comic book films

A close friend of mine manages a theater and I got to see an employee screening for BVS tonight. I enjoyed it, it was far from perfect, but it was definitely a good film. I'm seeing it again on Friday night, and I can't wait to analyze a few specific scenes. I'd give it a 7 out of 10, maybe even a 7.5. As far as big team up superhero films go, It was better than the terrible 'Age of Ultron', but it wasn't nearly as fun as the first Avengers film. All in all these big team up comic book films and here to stay, and I'm very happy about that. Now I can't wait to see Civil War in 5 weeks.

Fair enough not liking an action movie that's lacking in action...but to then turn around and complain about the last half of the movie having too much action, it just makes it sound like you don't know what you're talking about. One of the other, man.

Fair enough not liking an action movie that's lacking in action...but to then turn around and complain about the last half of the movie having too much action, it just makes it sound like you don't know what you're talking about. One of the other, man.

Batman is not a "fun" character. I seem to remember Nolans films which are bleak, dark, and gritty getting rave reviews! I think people just hate Snyder. I could give a fuck! If dc tried to copy marvel and add the camp humor, then all these "critics" would bitch and moan about how do is trying to copy marvel. Nothing is ever good enough. FUCK THE FUCKING CRITICS. Go see it for yourselves and don't read this shit until after you've seen the film. being a "movie critic" is one of the most

Batman is not a "fun" character. I seem to remember Nolans films which are bleak, dark, and gritty getting rave reviews! I think people just hate Snyder. I could give a fuck! If dc tried to copy marvel and add the camp humor, then all these "critics" would bitch and moan about how do is trying to copy marvel. Nothing is ever good enough. FUCK THE FUCKING CRITICS. Go see it for yourselves and don't read this shit until after you've seen the film. being a "movie critic" is one of the most pointless jobs on this planet. I can't believe people even get paid to be a "movie critic" and that's 1 persons opinion. To hell what they think.

ill see if it was fun to watch this weekend

This isn't the first review I read that mentions that it's not "fun". And many comment on how DC films shouldn't have to be fun and shouldn't be compared to other comic films. I disagree. I believe all movies should be fun, how it's done is the key. Just because characters are dark and brooding or not light-hearted, doesn't mean it can't fun to watch these characters adventures. Not saying it should be full of jokes, Dredd wasn't. Anyways from all the reviews I read it sucks none of them are

This isn't the first review I read that mentions that it's not "fun". And many comment on how DC films shouldn't have to be fun and shouldn't be compared to other comic films. I disagree. I believe all movies should be fun, how it's done is the key. Just because characters are dark and brooding or not light-hearted, doesn't mean it can't fun to watch these characters adventures. Not saying it should be full of jokes, Dredd wasn't. Anyways from all the reviews I read it sucks none of them are glowing reviews. But with that said I'll still go see this and express my opinions on the inevitable "What Did You Think" section that will be running Friday.

Really? All movies should be "fun"? What does "fun" even mean, though? Is Citizen Kane "fun"? Is Funny Games "fun"? Is even The Social Network "fun"?

Personally, "fun" is stupid and I don't think ANY movies should get stuck with that completely undescriptive term. Why do people insist on using a word we apply to children's toys on movies like it's a good thing?

Really? All movies should be "fun"? What does "fun" even mean, though? Is Citizen Kane "fun"? Is Funny Games "fun"? Is even The Social Network "fun"?

Personally, "fun" is stupid and I don't think ANY movies should get stuck with that completely undescriptive term. Why do people insist on using a word we apply to children's toys on movies like it's a good thing?

I completely agree. Maybe people are getting caught up,in the semantics of the word "fun." But all movies should be enjoyable, my favorite movie of 2015 was Room and it was not a "fun" topic but was perfectly executed and took me on an emotional roller coaster which lead to a very FUN experience at the theater. But any film with Superman should be fun by all definions, he's a world renowned character that "makes you believe a man can fly" and has pushed the boundaries of children's imaginations

I completely agree. Maybe people are getting caught up,in the semantics of the word "fun." But all movies should be enjoyable, my favorite movie of 2015 was Room and it was not a "fun" topic but was perfectly executed and took me on an emotional roller coaster which lead to a very FUN experience at the theater. But any film with Superman should be fun by all definions, he's a world renowned character that "makes you believe a man can fly" and has pushed the boundaries of children's imaginations for several generations.

See I think you people are looking at the word "fun" as a light hearted, campy and colorful meaning word. Not the definition I was referring too. If you go to a film you should be able to enjoy it and have fun with it with the exception of certain films that portray serious tragic events or documentries (certain). But for stories/movies like this I believe it should be fun. Why else go pay and see it if you don't want to have fun. The reviewers made this movie sound like they had a boring time.

See I think you people are looking at the word "fun" as a light hearted, campy and colorful meaning word. Not the definition I was referring too. If you go to a film you should be able to enjoy it and have fun with it with the exception of certain films that portray serious tragic events or documentries (certain). But for stories/movies like this I believe it should be fun. Why else go pay and see it if you don't want to have fun. The reviewers made this movie sound like they had a boring time.

Hmmm. With all respect I don't get it. Citizen Kane? Room? But these are completely different types of movies. It's like comparing pop music and classical music and then saying classical music shouldn't have to be so classical and should instead be more poppy. As far as I'm concerned these movies are fantasy and one of the staples of the genre is that it's enjoyable often thrilling escapism which I think is what is being boiled down to here as fun. Well then yes, put me in the fun camp!

Hmmm. With all respect I don't get it. Citizen Kane? Room? But these are completely different types of movies. It's like comparing pop music and classical music and then saying classical music shouldn't have to be so classical and should instead be more poppy. As far as I'm concerned these movies are fantasy and one of the staples of the genre is that it's enjoyable often thrilling escapism which I think is what is being boiled down to here as fun. Well then yes, put me in the fun camp! Having enstablished that, in my humble opinion, with all their varied tones, Reeve's Superman films were fun, as were Burton and Nolan's Batman films, as were Del Toro's Hell boy films, as are most of Marvel's offerings. Even The Killing Joke graphic novel was fun. Bloody dark but fun! Why? Because it was gripping and exciting. As for Snyder, well I thought Watchmen was fun as were two thirds of MOS. Hopefully this will prove fun too though the critics seem to say its boring. IF THAT IS TRUE (I'm not suggesting it is), I'd say that's a pretty big problem.

Did you even give this a real chance?

Overly negative! Wow. I can't wait to go watch this and see why it's so damn impossible to watch! I'm excited to read another Joblo review. You can tell you already made up your mind that this movie was going to be terrible before you ever saw it or wrote this review.

Overly negative! Wow. I can't wait to go watch this and see why it's so damn impossible to watch! I'm excited to read another Joblo review. You can tell you already made up your mind that this movie was going to be terrible before you ever saw it or wrote this review.

Batman1913 go look at the fan reviews. They seem to love it while the "critics" seem to hate it. Batman is not a "fun" character. I seem to remember Nolans films which are bleak, dark, and gritty getting rave reviews! I think people just hate Snyder. I could give a fuck! If dc tried to copy marvel and add the camp humor, then all these "critics" would bitch and moan about how do is trying to copy marvel. Nothing is ever good enough. FUCK THE FUCKING CRITICS. Go see it for yourselves and don't

Batman1913 go look at the fan reviews. They seem to love it while the "critics" seem to hate it. Batman is not a "fun" character. I seem to remember Nolans films which are bleak, dark, and gritty getting rave reviews! I think people just hate Snyder. I could give a fuck! If dc tried to copy marvel and add the camp humor, then all these "critics" would bitch and moan about how do is trying to copy marvel. Nothing is ever good enough. FUCK THE FUCKING CRITICS. Go see it for yourselves and don't read this shit until after you've seen the film. being a "movie critic" is one of the most pointless jobs on this planet. I can't believe people even get paid to be a "movie critic" and that's 1 persons opinion. To hell what they think.

Just like some people seem to have already made up THEIR minds that they would like it regardless. Or just like some people cannot accept that a movie is actually not that good or that some people's opinions are that they did not like it.

Just like some people seem to have already made up THEIR minds that they would like it regardless. Or just like some people cannot accept that a movie is actually not that good or that some people's opinions are that they did not like it.

I'll wait for Chris's review

You didn't seemed thrilled with MoS either (even giving it a 7/10) I still don't get why everyone thinks Superhero movies need to have a certain level of camp and humor to them, they don't and its not how the characters have been written for years (save for Spider-man etc) I'm not all that surprised by negative reviews though, MoS had them and it was a damn good movie, haters gonna hate I guess, but these aren't light joke making characters, Batman and Superman aren't Green Lantern and Flash

You didn't seemed thrilled with MoS either (even giving it a 7/10) I still don't get why everyone thinks Superhero movies need to have a certain level of camp and humor to them, they don't and its not how the characters have been written for years (save for Spider-man etc) I'm not all that surprised by negative reviews though, MoS had them and it was a damn good movie, haters gonna hate I guess, but these aren't light joke making characters, Batman and Superman aren't Green Lantern and Flash who have more humor to them...

Which is okay if the talking is interesting but they also seem to say it's boring. I actually enjoyed the quieter moments of MOS. However I'm not a fan of Snyder's CG heavy style of action so its a double worry for me.

Which is okay if the talking is interesting but they also seem to say it's boring. I actually enjoyed the quieter moments of MOS. However I'm not a fan of Snyder's CG heavy style of action so its a double worry for me.

Wow! One of the all-time classic storylines in just about anything and they managed to pretty much fuck it up...I'll reserve judgement when I see it, but still word of mouth from both critics and fans is a pretty good indicator.
However, I think the DCU is taking a bit more of a jumbled or backwards approach in comparison to the MCU's chronological one....but time will tell.

Wow! One of the all-time classic storylines in just about anything and they managed to pretty much fuck it up...I'll reserve judgement when I see it, but still word of mouth from both critics and fans is a pretty good indicator.
However, I think the DCU is taking a bit more of a jumbled or backwards approach in comparison to the MCU's chronological one....but time will tell.

Why do the team sports thing with comics. Your selling yourself short. Don't judge a comic on the publisher, that's stupid. There are many writers and artists that go back and forth from Marvel to DC. It's fine I guess that no Marvel characters interest you, but I don't think you've given them a fair shack based on your comments.

Why do the team sports thing with comics. Your selling yourself short. Don't judge a comic on the publisher, that's stupid. There are many writers and artists that go back and forth from Marvel to DC. It's fine I guess that no Marvel characters interest you, but I don't think you've given them a fair shack based on your comments.

Oh yeah I have. Read all the X titles heavily in the 90's during the Jim Lee years. Loved Peter Davids staggering 11 year(?) run on the Hulk and a lot of Daredevil has been good. Like I said Marvel characters just aren't as interesting to me. Not say one is better than the other just a preference.

Oh yeah I have. Read all the X titles heavily in the 90's during the Jim Lee years. Loved Peter Davids staggering 11 year(?) run on the Hulk and a lot of Daredevil has been good. Like I said Marvel characters just aren't as interesting to me. Not say one is better than the other just a preference.

I keep hearing Batman was the best part of the film. That does give me hope that the solo Batman flick, hopefully directed by Affleck will be great. Snyder needs to bow out of the the DCU while he still has a career.

I keep hearing Batman was the best part of the film. That does give me hope that the solo Batman flick, hopefully directed by Affleck will be great. Snyder needs to bow out of the the DCU while he still has a career.

Why do all superheroes have to be fun?

I'll go see it for myself and comment in the what did you think section when it comes. But not even Superman the Animated Series is fun or Batman the Animated Series for that matter. When did every superhero movie need to be fun and lighthearted? I really don't get that as a legitimate criticism. But again, I'll wait to see it myself before I judge.

I'll go see it for myself and comment in the what did you think section when it comes. But not even Superman the Animated Series is fun or Batman the Animated Series for that matter. When did every superhero movie need to be fun and lighthearted? I really don't get that as a legitimate criticism. But again, I'll wait to see it myself before I judge.

I honestly think Marvel has jaded us (not hating) into thinking all superhero movie need to be light and airy. But not even Marvel comics are anymore. Anyway, I'll check it out for myself and see what I think.

I honestly think Marvel has jaded us (not hating) into thinking all superhero movie need to be light and airy. But not even Marvel comics are anymore. Anyway, I'll check it out for myself and see what I think.

What are you talking about? Batman The Animated Series is the epitome of fun. Fun doesn't mean comedy. Fun means enjoying a movie. The Dark Knight was as dark as a film can get, and it was tons of fun.

What are you talking about? Batman The Animated Series is the epitome of fun. Fun doesn't mean comedy. Fun means enjoying a movie. The Dark Knight was as dark as a film can get, and it was tons of fun.

Yep, I'm with Zoidberg on this one and will add that the Burton version of Batman was probably the most fun with one liners and all!!! Nolan went darker but yeah those films were thrilling!!! But it's true, if you're not enjoying a fantasy movie then what is actually the point? You're not supposed to be bored which is what reviewers seem to be saying. I don't think anyone is saying superhero movies should be light and funny to be successful. That is just Marvel's style and they happen to

Yep, I'm with Zoidberg on this one and will add that the Burton version of Batman was probably the most fun with one liners and all!!! Nolan went darker but yeah those films were thrilling!!! But it's true, if you're not enjoying a fantasy movie then what is actually the point? You're not supposed to be bored which is what reviewers seem to be saying. I don't think anyone is saying superhero movies should be light and funny to be successful. That is just Marvel's style and they happen to be doing well right now but there have been plenty of other successful styles from WB and Fox over the last few years and beyond. It just seems that the DCCU may still be trying to find one that works.

I kind of expected that this is how the film would turn out. I know a lot of people like to compare this film to those of Marvel, but I honestly feel that the biggest competition is with the previous Superman and Batman films. Those films by Donner, Burton, and Nolan are still some of my all time favorite superhero films, and I think are better than a lot of comic book films these days.

I kind of expected that this is how the film would turn out. I know a lot of people like to compare this film to those of Marvel, but I honestly feel that the biggest competition is with the previous Superman and Batman films. Those films by Donner, Burton, and Nolan are still some of my all time favorite superhero films, and I think are better than a lot of comic book films these days.

I couldn't have said it better myself. The four Reeve Superman films and the first two Burton/Keaton Batman films are my favorites, along with Batman Begins and The Dark Knight Rises. Say what you will about Superman III and IV but they at least felt like Superman movies unlike the dark, depressing, drained-of-color Man of Steel. And yes I left out The Dark Knight, it was a decent movie but there was zero development of the Bruce Wayne/Batman character; we were with Bruce through his entire

I couldn't have said it better myself. The four Reeve Superman films and the first two Burton/Keaton Batman films are my favorites, along with Batman Begins and The Dark Knight Rises. Say what you will about Superman III and IV but they at least felt like Superman movies unlike the dark, depressing, drained-of-color Man of Steel. And yes I left out The Dark Knight, it was a decent movie but there was zero development of the Bruce Wayne/Batman character; we were with Bruce through his entire journey in Batman Begins and then he's completely sidelined in TDK. Anyway, I don't have high hopes for BvS.

That too bad I was hoping this site would offer a more positive opinion than RT as Man of Steel got a 56% and this site gave it an 8/10. I'm going to see it regardless and make up my own mind but disappointing as I was hoping this would be a slam dunk critically and financially.

That too bad I was hoping this site would offer a more positive opinion than RT as Man of Steel got a 56% and this site gave it an 8/10. I'm going to see it regardless and make up my own mind but disappointing as I was hoping this would be a slam dunk critically and financially.

I'm liking

This sounds like the film tried to stray from usual formula and do something new. Without mentioning any names, a recent big film strayed so close to a formula it was plagiarism, so if this film, despite not being "fun", will do something different, then I already like it.

This sounds like the film tried to stray from usual formula and do something new. Without mentioning any names, a recent big film strayed so close to a formula it was plagiarism, so if this film, despite not being "fun", will do something different, then I already like it.

But I also feel that fans need to consider that this is only the second entry in a long storyline of films before dismissing the entire film/DCU in general. There is still so much more Justice League universe creating to be done and I'm sure Suicide Squad will only further benefit that in a very positive light and will further help DC introduce the introductions of Wonder Woman, Flash, Green Lantern, Aquaman, etc.

I mean it's not like every Marvel fan loves what Marvel did with their first

But I also feel that fans need to consider that this is only the second entry in a long storyline of films before dismissing the entire film/DCU in general. There is still so much more Justice League universe creating to be done and I'm sure Suicide Squad will only further benefit that in a very positive light and will further help DC introduce the introductions of Wonder Woman, Flash, Green Lantern, Aquaman, etc.

I mean it's not like every Marvel fan loves what Marvel did with their first three films when creating their shared universe. So all I'm saying is to the doubters is give the film a chance and believe in bigger picture down the road.

Who would you replace him with? Not trying to be a dick, I'm seriously asking who would be your alternative to head up the DCU? Or at least direct Justice League. Personally I would have been very interested to have seen George Millers version (although judging by the script It would have been a real mixed bag).

Who would you replace him with? Not trying to be a dick, I'm seriously asking who would be your alternative to head up the DCU? Or at least direct Justice League. Personally I would have been very interested to have seen George Millers version (although judging by the script It would have been a real mixed bag).

Well we have one more movie for the DCCU this year in Suicide Squad. If I was them I'd pump the breaks hard, wait to see how it does and if it's good sit down with David Ayer. If it's bad then (quality wise) they're three movies in and limping bad.

Well we have one more movie for the DCCU this year in Suicide Squad. If I was them I'd pump the breaks hard, wait to see how it does and if it's good sit down with David Ayer. If it's bad then (quality wise) they're three movies in and limping bad.

How disappointing, these reviews and rotten tomatoes are certainly not definitive gauges, but it seems like the overall structure of this film just isn't good. I personally am one of the people who think Snyder is a poor storyteller with no heart in his films, but I've had a beer with the guy and he really couldn't have been nicer and I really wanted him to succeed. With WB taking the extra year on this to get it right, I really had hope. I already have my tickets for Thursday night and will

How disappointing, these reviews and rotten tomatoes are certainly not definitive gauges, but it seems like the overall structure of this film just isn't good. I personally am one of the people who think Snyder is a poor storyteller with no heart in his films, but I've had a beer with the guy and he really couldn't have been nicer and I really wanted him to succeed. With WB taking the extra year on this to get it right, I really had hope. I already have my tickets for Thursday night and will hopefully be given a film that gives me the reasons to formulate my own positive opinion.

What I wrote in a previous Dawn of Justice article, if this new entry is anything like Man of Steel in terms of quality, storytelling, action, etc, then in my opinion Dawn of Justice has done its job.

I don't mind an intense build up to these two going at one another because I would rather see the tension rise amongst the two and their motivations for disliking one another and then get the payoff of them going head to head in a heated battle.

And am glad to read that Affleck and Gadot

What I wrote in a previous Dawn of Justice article, if this new entry is anything like Man of Steel in terms of quality, storytelling, action, etc, then in my opinion Dawn of Justice has done its job.

I don't mind an intense build up to these two going at one another because I would rather see the tension rise amongst the two and their motivations for disliking one another and then get the payoff of them going head to head in a heated battle.

And am glad to read that Affleck and Gadot are great as Batman, and Wonder Woman as well after all of the controversy that came after their casting announcements.

Pretty funny how much people complained about Affleck and Gadot being cast and they are the ones getting a lot of credit in reviews. I felt bad for Gadot especially because a lot of people were attacking her for her looks because she basically doesn't look like a porn star.

Pretty funny how much people complained about Affleck and Gadot being cast and they are the ones getting a lot of credit in reviews. I felt bad for Gadot especially because a lot of people were attacking her for her looks because she basically doesn't look like a porn star.