Ya'll are being silly....how OLD is everybody? I appreciate and recognize
the "importance" of the issue but to THIS 45 year old white MALE born and
raised in "murrica" this reeks of PC douchebaggery....leave MF's alone and
get back to yer hack....tattoos sex and booze do not an impediment
make....unless you are SOOOOOOOO sensitive, so CONSCIOUS...that you begin
to believe your own hubris and compelled programming... that it really
needs to hit me in MY email? Lame you guys....GTFU
(grow the fuck up) I am oppressed by your sensitivity.
Having FUN with the diss board,PMike
On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 1:08 AM, Liz Henry <lizhenry at gmail.com> wrote:
> Johnny, this whole section does not make sense to me as a response to my
> original email. You say,
>> >>>But, your plan, to run a talk entitled "resisting sexual harassment and
> sexual assault" does nothing to engage women and men TOGETHER in a mutual
> discourse, or to develop mature communication by men, toward women, or to
> promote awareness of these issues among men, or to engage men in the
> process of social growth. It does nothing to promote social growth at all.
> * Therefor, i suggest involving men in some way in this activity. For
> example, could be a men's workshop on "understand people's boundaries". Or
> perhaps you could add a session on "promoting better communication between
> men and women". Also, i suggest a discussion-based workshop might promote
> more participation than a 'talk'. * Apologies to our transgender friends
> for the simplistic language. Anyone can be a victim of abuse, anyone can
> perpetrate it.
> <<<
>> Here is a link to my original email. Please read it again.
>>>https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2013-June/037374.html>> You are objecting to what I said here:
>> >>>
>> I have invited representatives from SF-WAR to come speak at Noisebridge
> some time in July on the topics of resisting sexual harassment and sexual
> assault. Will keep you all updated as to when this will happen! These
> training talks may give us good common ground for further discussion and
> action.
> <<<
>> Could you please explain how, from this innocuous paragraph, you got
> to the assumption that the training does not include or involve anyone
> of any genders? I'm not seeing it.
>> I asked SF-WAR to do this because several men at Noisebridge have been asking
> me, for months, to please provide some form of class, or workshop for anti-rape
> and anti-harassment education for them and the community. I don't know how to
>> give such a class. I have been asking others to please take up this task, and
> find good workshop presenters on the topic. The men who asked for the workshops
> said they did not feel that, as men, they should be the ones to arrange such
>> a thing though I encouraged them to do it. Finally, I emailed a local
> organization, filled out a form, and they agreed happily to set up two
> workshops for free, pretty much any date we would like, in a flexible format
>> according to what we would like to happen.
>> I think your response to my email is very odd. You seem to have a very
> intense response to the idea of there being some sort of harassment prevention
> workshop, and your response is based on many incorrect assumptions. Please try to think
>> about why that might be the case, and what you are saying in your email. It
> seems understandable that the idea of an outsider to the community coming
> in to talk about a difficult topic causes you anxiety. But, as with any class
>> happening at Noisebridge, you are free to attend or not as you please, and also
> if it does not meet your needs, there is a style of presentation or discussion
> you want to see happen, you can make it happen, I am sure, given your history
>> as a successful event organizer.
>> Best,
>> Liz
>>>> Best,
>> Liz
>>> On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 7:35 PM, Johny Radio <johnyradio at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> *Liz Henry* lizhenry at gmail.com
>> <noisebridge-discuss%40lists.noisebridge.net?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BNoisebridge-discuss%5D%20Community%20actions%20and%20structure%20that%20helps%0A%09resist%20sexual%20violence&In-Reply-To=%3CCAGOx5cxA7OK8%2BhN7bXkv2pav%3D1%3DsKmE0vm1dUB63D5Cgw0T-sg%40mail.gmail.com%3E>
>> *, Sat Jun 15 19:02:02 UTC 2013:*
>>>> "I have invited representatives from SF-WAR to come speak at Noisebridge
>> some time in July on the topics of resisting sexual harassment and sexual
>> assault. Will keep you all updated as to when this will happen! These
>> training talks may give us good common ground for further discussion and
>> action."
>>>>>> JR: Liz, thanks for doing this. I think this could be very helpful. I
>> have volunteered for SF-WAR (Women Against Rape), because i am committed to
>> working against abuse of women. From my application to WAR: "I am committed
>> to ending sexual violence, and violence in all it's forms. As a straight
>> male, who comes from a family of strong, powerful women, I feel men have a
>> responsibility to understand the dynamics and history of sexual abuse."
>>>> A couple observations about your plan:
>>>> - I feel the healthiest goal for the community is a PARTNERSHIP
>> between men and women, to achieve better communication and understanding. I
>> think it's essential for men to develop mature respect for women's
>> boundaries.
>> - But, your plan, to run a talk entitled "resisting sexual
>> harassment and sexual assault" does nothing to engage women and men
>> TOGETHER in a mutual discourse, or to develop mature communication by men,
>> toward women, or to promote awareness of these issues among men, or to
>> engage men in the process of social growth. It does nothing to promote
>> social growth at all.
>> - Therefor, i suggest involving men in some way in this activity.
>> For example, could be a men's workshop on "understand people's boundaries".
>> Or perhaps you could add a session on "promoting better communication
>> between men and women". Also, i suggest a discussion-based workshop might
>> promote more participation than a 'talk'.
>> - Apologies to our transgender friends for the simplistic language.
>> Anyone can be a victim of abuse, anyone can perpetrate it.
>>>> Best,
>> -JR
>>>>>> Johny Radio
>>>> Stick It In Your Ear!
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