I would like to agree with you that we all have it good here. I can't, I am old enough to remember when it actually was.

This is an important point as well though. I don't know how old you are. I'm just over 40 myself so maybe I'm younger than you but still older than
today's youth. What you need to realize is that today's youth already know the system is screwed, that the American Dream is Dead and that their
chances of having anything like a empire are basically zero. They don't care if somebody loses their empire. They're living lives where poor is
normal. Racism is a joke that old folks care about and they think is retarded. Hell, most of my generation realizes that too because we've grown up
like that. I've been mixing with other races since I was born and it's completely normal.

Why do you think so many of the youth gravitate toward socialist ideas??? It's not that they want free stuff, that's just dumb. It's because that is
how their lives have been since birth. It's heavily communal. Their strength doesn't come from being financially independent or being a capt. of
industry because those concepts don't exist anymore for most people. Their strength comes from cooperation and power comes from a group they're part
of.

I think it's a shift in perspective realities that isn't understood by different generations. At my age I can see the differences quite easily being
stuck in the middle of the Older ways and Today's younger ways. They aren't even close to the same.

The wealthiest 1 percent own practically everything of value in this country. You think they're going to let the people completely destroy their
industries? Their wealth? No way.

The only possible war is the people vs. the government, and the government wins.

And just to entertain the hypothetical, the sides wouldn't partition the way it's proposed in this thread. It wouldn't be individuals in the city vs.
individuals in the country.

That scenario was clearly dreamed up by someone who senses a lot of partisan angst and is aware of red vs. blue voting patterns by county. It was not
dreamed up by anyone who has entertained realistic scenarios wherein a war could develop.

Wars have objectives. What would start this war? What would END this war? That would determine how the geography would divide, and people who were
sympathetic to the OTHER side would get the hell out.

Oh I think it very well could be once the people realize they've lost the power and all manner of things could happen.

That would be a geographic shift but a very good way to look at it would be to look at the counties.

This would be a rural vs Urban thing and it would end very quickly once the urban folks started to starve to death.

Please define what would start the war. Please describe what the objective of the war would be, and who would instigate it.

Otherwise, you're blowing smoke and the rhetoric is meaningless.

Only by looking at the objectives of a war can you determine where the boundaries would be drawn, how victory would be declared, and who would be on
which side.

If you think a civil war is going to start because of any of the petty crap we bicker about on the internet, you're wrong.

Don't kid yourself about the military in no way shape or form would they start shooting their own citizens.

Citizens aren't going to war. Armies are going to war. If citizens go to war, they'll be arrested, and force WILL be used where appropriate. If the
PEOPLE draw up armies, they will be led by generals with military objectives. What are those objectives? What's the goal?

The idea that the red counties and blue counties are going to drag themselves out of their houses to fight EACH OTHER is completely absurd.

Just ask any country that went through a civil war in the 20th century. The scars of those wars take over 100 years to overcome. Let that sink in
for one second before people start sharing their callous comments.

originally posted by: Fools
This has pretty much been a hot topic since Obama took the presidency. Of course during the Obama years it was the right aching and pining away at the
idea of it. Now it seems that alot of lefties are day dreaming about it.

It is a very bad idea in any regard and if it ever did happen, many of us would die. Many of our friends and family would die. Is it worth it in
reality? No, not really.

However, lets just say it did happen.

My thoughts are that in the country, the right would win. The main reason for that is that nearly all leftwing strongholds are in cities. Cities can
be blockaded. The essential needs that people need would be stopped. The poorer people in those areas would begin to riot. Those riots would start an
insurrection and rebellion within the strongholds. Also take into account that the left has spent the last couple of decades alienating themselves
from those that would be the "boots on the ground" ie cops. I mean initially they may have success due to bigger firepower but for how long? Also I am
positive that at least 50% of the armed forces supporting the left would abandon and fight for the other side.

Hell, even the blue states are 50/50 when you look at county maps (with a few exceptions).

Also take into account that rural and some suburban people are heavily armed with military backgrounds.

Think about all the chokepoints in the USA. Strategically I can think of at least 3 states where almost the entirety of the state are chokepoints.
Missouri, Colorado, and most of Arkansas.

Texas would pop out of the union instantly and be on the "right" instantly. Same for most southern states.

The thought of it is horrific - I suppose my final thought is this; if you are sane, do not support the meme that there should be a civil war in the
USA. It will affect you personally, and many people you know will die.

But we are divided very much along ideological/cultural/racial lines now. It's gotten bad enough that people refused to go to Thanksgiving with their
family members over this past election.

When you have family cutting each other off over an election and politics, then you have the divide beginning to be deep enough that there is a split.
We aren't talking about states here. Now we're talking about different mindsets in the populace. We are talking about a place where some people think
that socialism is the way to go and others do not and never the twain shall meet.

But we are divided very much along ideological/cultural/racial lines now. It's gotten bad enough that people refused to go to Thanksgiving with their
family members over this past election.

This is true, I won't argue that. People have become spoiled and selfishly arrogant and self important too. That and along with the media adding
more fuel to social conflicts. Social Media and our interconnected social lives by which we interact also adds to this as well. You could say that
people are starting to idolize their own images in a way. This makes everyone want to perceive themselves as more important and significant that they
are.

Real Personal Experiences with other People are happening less and less. Some people literally only live through their Facebook Personality with
other people to the point where they don't even want to actually meet for real. Living through their "Virtual Self" is enough for them.

But this can and will self correct and the more we pay attention to what's happening the easier it will correct. Because something you have to
include is that in general People don't want to fight with each other. They desire positive interactions much more than negative ones and will choose
positive interactions rather than negative ones if possible.

But being spoiled and lazy makes people take things for granted eventually. But reality sets in real fast when the experience of something like Civil
War even starts becoming possible. What you'd have is people being shocked into realizing how dumb and self destructive such things are and how
pointless and trivial in comparison.

Those families who wouldn't get together for the holidays are being selfish. But how fast do you think they would drop petty political ideas if
during that break time one of them dies and they live with the shame and guilt for having shunned their own family over something like politics??

But that goes back to the point I was making. We are comfortable and have forgotten the pain or Real Loss. IMO the shock of that realization would
very quickly put "Rational and Reasonable Thought" back on the table.

No, people would be pissed. Most likely the same gloating and finger pointing and anger and ridicule would continue, only reversed.

But if you stop listening and watching all the talking heads who like to fight and blame and throw tantrums in the media about everything you'd notice
most actual real life people you meet daily don't care that much. Certainly not enough to want to pick up a weapon and kill half the people standing
next to them.

I mean I'm politically engaged as are many people now. I'm typically quite cynical and disapproving of Humanity in general, especially nowadays. But
even on a bad day I'm real, real far from wanting to physically battle against my neighbor that I disagree with. I mean you have to be really
psychologically confused and socially damaged to want to take it that far. Not that those people aren't out there, they are. But not that many of
them.

But if you stop listening and watching all the talking heads who like to fight and blame and throw tantrums in the media about everything you'd notice
most actual real life people you meet daily don't care that much.

You are absolutely correct.

Even though there is a wide range of behavior within any generation, I think it's helpful to look at this from a generational point of view, as there
has been a lot of research on this subject.

So I figured I'd offer a quick analysis of each generation and how they would react to a civil war:

1) Millenials: As a group, they believe they can change the system politically. They will become a force in the next 5 to 10 years, at which point all
those socialist policies so many war against are going to start becoming reality. But what they are NOT going to do is pick up guns and start shooting
people.

2) Gen X -- As a group, they distrust everything except their local communities, their friends, and their family. They've watched their parents (and
themselves) get screwed over by big corporations and by government. Gen Xers are not joiners. They look out for their own, where their own is
primarily their close little circle of loved ones. There is no way in hell Gen X is going to war over anything that doesn't pose a direct threat to
the health and safety of their family.

3) Baby Boomers: Really? They are patriotic to a fault and would never take up arms against their government. And even if they did, let's get real.
They're old.

4) Traditionalists: Most of them are dead, so....

Apparently, this war is going to be fought by fringe lunatics. We'll need police, not soldiers, to fend them off.

There are a couple of known entities dying to pay a visit to the Washington elites. You couldn't pay me enough to mess with 'em.

As memory serves, their goals are not the elected officials (though they'll take 'em if they can get 'em), but the professionals who support them in
every way, shape, form or fashion. That's how you get rid of a power structure ... and plenty of government folks are quite worried it might unfold
and rather rapidly.

originally posted by: Fools
This has pretty much been a hot topic since Obama took the presidency. Of course during the Obama years it was the right aching and pining away at the
idea of it. Now it seems that alot of lefties are day dreaming about it.

It is a very bad idea in any regard and if it ever did happen, many of us would die. Many of our friends and family would die. Is it worth it in
reality? No, not really.

However, lets just say it did happen.

My thoughts are that in the country, the right would win. The main reason for that is that nearly all leftwing strongholds are in cities. Cities can
be blockaded. The essential needs that people need would be stopped. The poorer people in those areas would begin to riot. Those riots would start an
insurrection and rebellion within the strongholds. Also take into account that the left has spent the last couple of decades alienating themselves
from those that would be the "boots on the ground" ie cops. I mean initially they may have success due to bigger firepower but for how long? Also I am
positive that at least 50% of the armed forces supporting the left would abandon and fight for the other side.

Hell, even the blue states are 50/50 when you look at county maps (with a few exceptions).

Also take into account that rural and some suburban people are heavily armed with military backgrounds.

Think about all the chokepoints in the USA. Strategically I can think of at least 3 states where almost the entirety of the state are chokepoints.
Missouri, Colorado, and most of Arkansas.

Texas would pop out of the union instantly and be on the "right" instantly. Same for most southern states.

The thought of it is horrific - I suppose my final thought is this; if you are sane, do not support the meme that there should be a civil war in the
USA. It will affect you personally, and many people you know will die.

Who do you think is pushing this possibility? And why are you so horrified at the scenario? Who is trying to destroy "the grand experiment"?

originally posted by: testingtesting
While it would be horrid for you all to go through a violent revolution or civil war I do admit it would be very exciting for the rest of the world.
Imagine ATS and the you tube videos

But It will not happen I would be more wary of the north...Canada.

It would be less exciting (or more?) than you think. Nobody really wants a civil war in a state with as many nukes as the US. Theres no telling what
might spin out of control.

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