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, to the guy at the center the immigration story, arizona republiiansenatorjohnmccain,bump the -- one of the eight senators. important guy. important day. you rolled out the pla a day in front of president obama's plan. some in the g.o.p. say this sounds like a blanket amnesty. >> i was also encouraged that speaker boehner said we have to have a comprehensive immigration reform passed with 11 million people living in the shadows of america. many of them have been here for over 10 years. a precondition, that is to secure the borders. our borders are more secure but in arizona, that border is a major drug trafficking route for the drug cartels bringing drugs into the united states so we have to use lot of high-tech and drones and get the border securee that must be done. then we have to move on with this issue. >> senator, an hour ago, senator schumer and yourself talked about what you need do to get this pointed and you say securing the border isber one. is that realistic? we have been trying to do it for 150 or 200 years. >>guest: with the advent of high-tech eqqipment such as

, to the guy at the center the immigration story, arizona republiian senator john mccain, bump the -- one of the eight senators. important guy. important day. you rolled out the pla a day in front of president obama's plan. some in the g.o.p. say this sounds like a blanket amnesty. >> i was also encouraged that speaker boehner said we have to have a comprehensive immigration reform passed with 11 million people living in the shadows of america. many of them have been here for over 10...

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, sometimes mouthing the words, sometimes singing them quietly, movestowardsjohnwithoutlooking, for he cannot look at his son. and he touches john's heart and then he moves away towards the city hall of john's memory and john set the stairs in the way that george did, cocky and sexy, cruel as all get out. and then the song ends. and i notice the woman sitting next to me crying. and after the play is over, after the standing ovation of tony's brave and beautiful play, as people start to leave the theater, this woman, she remains in her chair and it seems she cannot move. i gently asked her if she's all right. and she nods. and she says without looking at me because she couldn't look at me, "i got to see my mayor again." so, maybe through art we can see again. about a month ago i braved going to the sf moment to check out the infamous bust of my dad and all i could remember growing up were the images of that controversial pedestal of gunshots and twinkies and don't think i didn't smile when i heard hostess went under. [laughter] (applause) but when i went to see the bust for that

, sometimes mouthing the words, sometimes singing them quietly, moves towards john without looking, for he cannot look at his son. and he touches john's heart and then he moves away towards the city hall of john's memory and john set the stairs in the way that george did, cocky and sexy, cruel as all get out. and then the song ends. and i notice the woman sitting next to me crying. and after the play is over, after the standing ovation of tony's brave and beautiful play, as people start to...

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., voucher program, very popular amongst a lot of people. ended under president obamaandjohnboehnergot it back in. do you think the unions are nervous with the school choice week they have 3600 events taking place nationwide. it seems to be gaining steam. >> bob: sure. but there are things to consider here. if you take the charter school students and the ones that get vouchers for private schools there are still 49 million students left in public schoo schools. the question is what can we do to make the school better. i think the voucher system works. i talked to juan a lot. there is a place for more charter schools but the money is expensive. >> dana: when it comes to the money and managing the school what is could make a difference for a lot of school districts? how do we figure out how the property tax goes to make sure the kids are well educated and parents don't have to be forced. >> eric: the left doesn't want to hear it but performance, let the teachers be -- compensation be based on performance of the students. the only way to do it. you weed out the poor performers

., voucher program, very popular amongst a lot of people. ended under president obama and john boehner got it back in. do you think the unions are nervous with the school choice week they have 3600 events taking place nationwide. it seems to be gaining steam. >> bob: sure. but there are things to consider here. if you take the charter school students and the ones that get vouchers for private schools there are still 49 million students left in public schoo schools. the question is what...

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moment there. very nice. thank you. >> i'mwearingjohnbatistavalley. i started doing a happy dance when i saw your dress because i really, really liked it. i thought it was so cute. >> thank you very, very much. >> and who are you wearing? >> i'm wearing a dress by carrison. she makes beautiful dresses for women. >> i like her name. it's a very harmonious name. >> one word. >> good for you. >> so you guys are both nominated tonight, and i have been saying that really i think -- you have both done some great work but these kind of roles were almost tailor made for you guys, do you think? >> well, no, because yours was tailor made for cole and mine was tailor made for patti. >> it did strike me tonight that we are in a way carrying torches that have been carried for 27 years. i think we should definitely mention that ann's mom played the role she played. so one of the torches was carried by her mom. so you can say she's a second generation "les mis." >> my mom understudied fontina when i was 8. >> how special is that for you? >> very special. this whole thing would have a surreal edg

moment there. very nice. thank you. >> i'm wearing john batista valley. i started doing a happy dance when i saw your dress because i really, really liked it. i thought it was so cute. >> thank you very, very much. >> and who are you wearing? >> i'm wearing a dress by carrison. she makes beautiful dresses for women. >> i like her name. it's a very harmonious name. >> one word. >> good for you. >> so you guys are both nominated tonight, and i have...

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. >>> other stories makingnews.johnbermanhas that for us this morning. >>> a snowy, icy, rainy, sloppy commute for millions of americans this morning. the storm that coated the midwest in ice yesterday is heading north and could bring snow, freezing rain, and sleet. not a lot of fun to the northeast today. flights in and out of chicago, minneapolis, and st. louis were grounded on icy runways and check this out. firefighters shippi chipping a hydrant. frozen in time. new york went seven days without temperatures cracking the freezing mark. a live look at the storm that will hit many of us today. >> not talking about bitter cold temperatures we saw last week. headed out the door, from parts of the upper midwest to the mid-atlantic, we are dealing with some freezing rain out there. just see to the west of altoona, as well, some snow. this will continue to be the feature as we go through the morning hours and into the afternoon. now, if you are driving along interstate 95, we had a last report of freezing rain in dulles. notice for yourself, warm air is winning out and those temper

. >>> other stories making news. john berman has that for us this morning. >>> a snowy, icy, rainy, sloppy commute for millions of americans this morning. the storm that coated the midwest in ice yesterday is heading north and could bring snow, freezing rain, and sleet. not a lot of fun to the northeast today. flights in and out of chicago, minneapolis, and st. louis were grounded on icy runways and check this out. firefighters shippi chipping a hydrant. frozen in time. new...

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a big part of the 2012 campaign that he had not gone forth with thebill.johnmccain,the first big republican sponsor with george w. bush, for comprehensive immigration reform back in in te in 2000 including a path to citizenship, guest worker program, and ultimately border security and john mccain learned the hard way a lot of folks want the border secure and verifiably so before the other programs go forward. chuck schumer, the ranking democrat, said they say it is time to put partisanship aside and democrats are not looking to use this as a leverage in wake of the election which hispanic and latino voters were favoring democrats, not so in the case of republicans. the g.o.p. recognizes they need to do something. democrats are saying they you will not play political football. >> we do not want immigration as a wedge issue. much rather we want a bipartisan bill that soxes the problem and becomes law. >> they put their marking on it today and the president will lay out his proposals. the senate majority leader, harry reid, before the news conference announcing the plan came out, sa

a big part of the 2012 campaign that he had not gone forth with the bill. john mccain, the first big republican sponsor with george w. bush, for comprehensive immigration reform back in in te in 2000 including a path to citizenship, guest worker program, and ultimately border security and john mccain learned the hard way a lot of folks want the border secure and verifiably so before the other programs go forward. chuck schumer, the ranking democrat, said they say it is time to put partisanship...

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done in a bipartisan fashion. >> notably, this appears to be the very first timesenatorjohnmccainhas signed onto one of the president's legislative priorities, and you may be surprised to learn that republicans have made this sudden shift from previous immigration proposals such as herman cain's electrified fence and mitt romney's stance of self-deportation. after all, it wasn't even a year ago that congressman steve king of iowa compared america's immigrant selection process to that of picking out a dog. >> pick the one that's the friskiest, the one that's engaged the most, and not the one that's over there sleeping in the corner. you get the pick of the litter, and yourself a pretty good bird dog. we got the pick of every darn civilization on the planet. >> right, pick work dogs, not lazy dogs from those donor countries. congressman king said later his remarks were meant as a compliment. charming. so there has been an evolution by the republican party and it's not because rick perry accused anyone of not having a heart. senator mccain, how about some of that famous straight tal

done in a bipartisan fashion. >> notably, this appears to be the very first time senator john mccain has signed onto one of the president's legislative priorities, and you may be surprised to learn that republicans have made this sudden shift from previous immigration proposals such as herman cain's electrified fence and mitt romney's stance of self-deportation. after all, it wasn't even a year ago that congressman steve king of iowa compared america's immigrant selection process to that...

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boulder newspaper is reporting that back then a grand jury voted to indictbothjohnandpatty ramsey on charges of child abuse resulting in death in connection with the case but the district attorney refused to sign the indictment order. d.a. alex hunter did not believe he could prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt. legal experts are unsure whether hunter's decision not to sign the indictment is consistent with colorado grand jury law. the ramseys and their now adult son burke were exonerated in the case in july of 2008. >>> a young man died in his morgan hill home early this morning and now a santa clara county sheriff says the death is suspicious. deputies responded to reports of gunshots near oak valley road and shielda avenue. when deputies arrived a neighbor told them a man might be dead in his home. they found a 30-year-old man inside unresponsive and efforts to resuscitate the 30-year-old man were unsuccessful. >>> a neighborhood safety meeting drew so many residents that they didn't fit in the pizza parlor where that meeting was being held. they were drawn to the meeting bec

boulder newspaper is reporting that back then a grand jury voted to indict both john and patty ramsey on charges of child abuse resulting in death in connection with the case but the district attorney refused to sign the indictment order. d.a. alex hunter did not believe he could prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt. legal experts are unsure whether hunter's decision not to sign the indictment is consistent with colorado grand jury law. the ramseys and their now adult son burke were...

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anyway did that film. the cinematographerwasjohndeboarmanand we would talk shots during the movies. you sound like you should be directingment and i said find me something. because it is called show business. and even if you are, you know, famous as an actor for years, they don't send you scripts as a director until you've proven yourself. so i, very rarely got, and unless they needed you as a star okay we'll let you direct. >> so what happened with this, the cinematography worked on the film you and empty-- emma thompson. you said i would like to look for something, he knew the producer. >> he worked for the producer when he worked, two directors had been with this project quartet. they fell out. that is the only way i get offered somethingness. >> rose: somebody gets fired. >> two people get fired. so-- so the day before i catch the plane to am could back to los angeles from london he calls mement and he says i've got a script. and he sent it and i read it on the airplane. and it moved me but i would have-- . >> rose: moved you, you were crying. your poor wife looked at yo

anyway did that film. the cinematographer was john deboarman and we would talk shots during the movies. you sound like you should be directingment and i said find me something. because it is called show business. and even if you are, you know, famous as an actor for years, they don't send you scripts as a director until you've proven yourself. so i, very rarely got, and unless they needed you as a star okay we'll let you direct. >> so what happened with this, the cinematography worked on...

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johnmccain,standing right behind ted kennedy during that press conference. how did this come to pass? the november elections. we saw the numbers. it has been talked about and talked about since then, the fact that latino voters have been going up as a percentage of the electorate and republicans got fewer than they have in three presidential elections. so it was a real wake-up call we're told, particularly to republicans like john mccain and lindsey graham of south carolina, who had kind of been working on comprehensive immigration reform on and off again. lindsey graham called chuck schumer. they had the first of five meetings. some were after the election. and they set in motion this process, a timetable to have principles now, the end of january, legislative language in march and they hope to have some kind of vote in the senate before the august recess. >> let's talk about the timing of this announcement here. the president was -- he's going to go to vegas tomorrow and is supposed to outline his immigration reform plan. it almost looks like the senators beat him to it here.

john mccain, standing right behind ted kennedy during that press conference. how did this come to pass? the november elections. we saw the numbers. it has been talked about and talked about since then, the fact that latino voters have been going up as a percentage of the electorate and republicans got fewer than they have in three presidential elections. so it was a real wake-up call we're told, particularly to republicans like john mccain and lindsey graham of south carolina, who had kind of...

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breaking eight senators four republicans ledbyjohnmccain.fourledbyjohnschumerwho have come up with a come comprehensive immigration plan bi-partisan they are going to announce today which includes a path to citizenship as well as tougher enforcement at the border all contained in one bill. president obama will talk about it in las vegas tomorrow. >> that's huge story. but perhaps a bigger story sara palin dumped by fox news. she was soaking it up and saying nothing. finally, they dumped her but they still have karl rove and dennis cue sin itch. kus. nich. all of that coming up here on current tv. floorboard >> the troops love me. (vo) tv and radio talk show host stephanie miller rounds out current's morning news block. >> you're welcome current tv audience for the visual candy. just be grateful current tv does not come in smellivision. the sweatshirt is nice and all but i could use a golden lasso. (vo) only on current tv. i want the people who watch our show, to be able to come away armed with the facts, and the arguments to feel confident in their positions. i want them to

breaking eight senators four republicans led by john mccain. four led by john schumer who have come up with a come comprehensive immigration plan bi-partisan they are going to announce today which includes a path to citizenship as well as tougher enforcement at the border all contained in one bill. president obama will talk about it in las vegas tomorrow. >> that's huge story. but perhaps a bigger story sara palin dumped by fox news. she was soaking it up and saying nothing. finally,...

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york, dick durbin of illinois and bob menendez of new colorado's l bennet. republicansarejohnmccain,south carolina's lindsey graham, marco rubio of florida and jeff flake of arizona. this comes as president obama flies to las vegas to outline his vision for immigration. senator durbin says immigration reform, a comprehensive plan is long overdue. >> we are committed to a comprehensive approach to finally in this country have an immigration law we can live with. we've virtually going for 25 years without a clear statement about immigration policy. that is unacceptable in this nation of immigrants. >> reporter: the plan also calls for easier entry for immigrants who have math, science and engineering skills. bill? bill: there is a lot of politics laced to this entire issue. how do the politics figure into this proposal, steve? >> reporter: first it comes during an important window of opportunity before the midterm elections of 2014 get underway, before all the campaigning gets underway. it comes just after president obama was reelected partly because of the strong support of latinos,

york, dick durbin of illinois and bob menendez of new colorado's l bennet. republicans are john mccain, south carolina's lindsey graham, marco rubio of florida and jeff flake of arizona. this comes as president obama flies to las vegas to outline his vision for immigration. senator durbin says immigration reform, a comprehensive plan is long overdue. >> we are committed to a comprehensive approach to finally in this country have an immigration law we can live with. we've virtually going...

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he could win, the very first primary comp petition -- contestemmajohnmccainbeat him in points, he became a better candidate overnight. all of a sudden, somebody beat him. he became a much better candidate overnight and became a two term residents. we should want competition. that person never is ready for prime time. i think some of these governors are terrific. this movement should come up with a job description. if you are going to hire at national review, posted job description. why are we not doing that? it is not a litmus test. what should your skills be, your belief system. i think we will have to nominate people who are relatable. who have an everyman story. we have that on our side much more than they have that. what is so everyman about john kerry or rockefeller? let's get these people, because i am sure you are aware, voters do not ask, do i like you? they ask, are you like me? are you like me? do we have anything in common? what is our connective tissue? there is always one. people raise children every day. ross perot was worth four times the amount of money that mitt r

he could win, the very first primary comp petition -- contest emma john mccain beat him in points, he became a better candidate overnight. all of a sudden, somebody beat him. he became a much better candidate overnight and became a two term residents. we should want competition. that person never is ready for prime time. i think some of these governors are terrific. this movement should come up with a job description. if you are going to hire at national review, posted job description. why are...

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rhode island. it will be ten years next month. that's when 100 people were killed.attorneyjohnbarlickrepresented families. he wrote a book called "killer show." it details that devastating fire, its causes and the heart breaking aftermath. john joins me now from providence, rhode island. we were talking a couple of months ago here at cnn about this book of yours and i immediately, when i saw the news out of brazil, i thought of you, rhode island, the pyrotechnics, the foam you brought in to show us how highly flammable it was. there were many similarities, were there not? >> hello, brooke, yes. this is like a recurrent nightmare. there were many parallel facts, at least as brazil's situation has been reported. >> run through a couple of them. what else? what else was similar? >> well, according to initial reports we have improper use of pyrotechnics in an unsuitable venue, we have flammable wall coverings, we have gross overcrowding as we had at the station. and we have staff that seems woefully undertrained to deal with emergencies. >> i read your opinion piece on cnn.com an

rhode island. it will be ten years next month. that's when 100 people were killed. attorney john barlick represented families. he wrote a book called "killer show." it details that devastating fire, its causes and the heart breaking aftermath. john joins me now from providence, rhode island. we were talking a couple of months ago here at cnn about this book of yours and i immediately, when i saw the news out of brazil, i thought of you, rhode island, the pyrotechnics, the foam you...

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misconduct trialagainstjohnleopoldcontinues today. on friday, a judge dismissed charges. he used public money for personal reasons. >> president obama publically thanked secretary state hillary clinton during a joint interview. she is days away for leaving her post as top diplomate. they chuckled as they described their close partnership and a possible clinton run in 2016. also talked about how she was able to work for the man who derailed her first attempt to the white house. take a listen. >> in politic ands democracy sometimes you win elections and sometimes you lose. i worked very hard but i lost. and president obama asked me to be secretary of state and i said yes. so this has been an extraordinary opportunity to work with him as a partner and friend, to do our very best on behalf of this country we both love. and it's something i'm going to miss a great deal. >> mrs. clinton steps down as secretary of state on friday. president obama nominated john kerry as her replacement. kerry has had his nomination hearing in the senate. >> playing with plastic or paying with plastic i

misconduct trial against john leopold continues today. on friday, a judge dismissed charges. he used public money for personal reasons. >> president obama publically thanked secretary state hillary clinton during a joint interview. she is days away for leaving her post as top diplomate. they chuckled as they described their close partnership and a possible clinton run in 2016. also talked about how she was able to work for the man who derailed her first attempt to the white house. take a...

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bipartisan deal on immigration reform that includes the man you spoke with yesterday,senatorjohnmccain.>> reporter: exactly. there's an announcement scheduled for this afternoon from this bipartisan group of senators about agreement in principle in sweeping changes of immigration law. and a lot of optimism, this could be passed even with a very controversial path to citizenship for those in the country illegally. senator john mccain telling your "this week" show yesterday, he thinks the time is right, especially given the power of latino voters in the last election. >>> let's get the rest of the morning headlines from david muir, weekend anchor in for josh. >> good morning, everyone. we're going to begin with the search for answers after that horrific nightclub tragedy. 230 were trapped and killed in a fire that engulfed a dance club in brazil. one exit became a death trap in seconds. matt gutman is in brazil with new details on how the fire started and why there was no other way out. good morning. >> reporter: good morning, david. it is impossible to underestimate the impact t

bipartisan deal on immigration reform that includes the man you spoke with yesterday, senator john mccain. >> reporter: exactly. there's an announcement scheduled for this afternoon from this bipartisan group of senators about agreement in principle in sweeping changes of immigration law. and a lot of optimism, this could be passed even with a very controversial path to citizenship for those in the country illegally. senator john mccain telling your "this week" show yesterday,...

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republicansjohnmccainand marco rubio. the new semester begins this morning at montgomery college. some students may not suddenly be able to afford tuition. it's because of the dream act there. undocumented immigrants who are still in high school but want to take courses at the community college have to pay almost triple the rate of their peers. that's because the dream act requires students to graduate from a maryland high school to be eligible for instate teu tigs. they're working to fix the loophole. >>> billions of dollars of aid for hurricane sandy victims. the long awaited disaster aid package. the house approved the package last week. this week marks three months since the superstorm slammed into the east coast. the bill is expected to pass. >>> hillary clinton is beginning her final week as secretary of state. we've learned that friday will be her final day as head of the state department. tomorrow clinton will take part in what's being called a global town-ter view at the museum. it's a meeting and television interview. on friday, she'll attend -- last night on 60 minutes, clin

republicans john mccain and marco rubio. the new semester begins this morning at montgomery college. some students may not suddenly be able to afford tuition. it's because of the dream act there. undocumented immigrants who are still in high school but want to take courses at the community college have to pay almost triple the rate of their peers. that's because the dream act requires students to graduate from a maryland high school to be eligible for instate teu tigs. they're working to fix...

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state. i'm christine rom yans. >> andi'mjohnberman.it's january 28th it's monday. we'll begin with that developing story out of brazil. deadly chaos at a nightclub. early yesterday morning. killing a staggering 233 people. many of them college students celebrating their last weekend of summer break. it happened at kiss nightclub in santa maria. recovery workers now say they're hearing the eerie sound of ring tones. we're in santa maria with the latest. >> reporter: smoke filled the air when the first firefighters entered the nightclub. where shirtless men were already trying to rescue some of the injured. emergency vehicles arrived not realizing the extent of the tragedy they faced. chaos and terror among survivors and the body of victims all around. the fire broke out at about 2:00 in the morning at a nightclub called kiss in santa maria in bra sail's southern most state. the club was packed with some 2,000 people, twice its legal capacity according to officials >> translator: people who were inside the facility when they came out, security guards blocked the exit preventing

state. i'm christine rom yans. >> and i'm john berman. it's january 28th it's monday. we'll begin with that developing story out of brazil. deadly chaos at a nightclub. early yesterday morning. killing a staggering 233 people. many of them college students celebrating their last weekend of summer break. it happened at kiss nightclub in santa maria. recovery workers now say they're hearing the eerie sound of ring tones. we're in santa maria with the latest. >> reporter: smoke filled...

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actuallyindictedjohnandpatsy ramsey in connection with the death. why did the prosecutor decline to try that case? >>> we begin with that tragic nightclub fire in brazil. mike taibbi has the latest. mike, good morning. >> good morning, savannah. it has been a dead lly combinatn in the past, a nightclub filled with revelers and pyrotechnics and few too ways to escape led to panic. in santa maria, it was packed with its usual saturday nightclub when, at 2:00 in the morning, disaster. a swift-moving fire filled the ground-floor club with thick smoke. witnesses said club security initially blocked several emergency exits, thinking p patrons were leaving without paying and that left only a few ways out. in the ensuing panic, some victims were trampled. most died of smoke inhalation. many witnesses told police this fire was triggered by the use of some incindiery device on stage. >> the band used fireworks and as we heard it was usual for this presentation but the ceiling was too short. >> reporter: some club goers who did make it out joined firemen and onlookers in their attempt to open new

actually indicted john and patsy ramsey in connection with the death. why did the prosecutor decline to try that case? >>> we begin with that tragic nightclub fire in brazil. mike taibbi has the latest. mike, good morning. >> good morning, savannah. it has been a dead lly combinatn in the past, a nightclub filled with revelers and pyrotechnics and few too ways to escape led to panic. in santa maria, it was packed with its usual saturday nightclub when, at 2:00 in the morning,...

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republicanside,johnmccain,lindsey graham, marco rubio, and jeff flake. this would offer an immigration plan for millions here illegally, it would also have an employment verification. and cracking down on companies that hired unauthorized workers. the president, as you know, carol, will also be taking up this issue this week. he'll be heading to las vegas tomorrow. he met monday with the congressional hispanic caucus to sort of talk and preview this plan that he's already put out, but he'll be highlighting tomorrow. >> brianna keilar reporting live from the white house this morning. >>> also today, about two hours from now, president obama plans to meet with police chiefs and sheriffs from around the nation to talk about reducing gun violence. the police chiefs of newtown, connecticut, and aurora, colorado, saw their share of gun violence last year also expected to attend. even as the president convenes this meeting, a law enforcement backlash continues. a wisconsin sheriff is now encouraging citizens to take up arms and not solely rely on law enforcement for protection. >>

republican side, john mccain, lindsey graham, marco rubio, and jeff flake. this would offer an immigration plan for millions here illegally, it would also have an employment verification. and cracking down on companies that hired unauthorized workers. the president, as you know, carol, will also be taking up this issue this week. he'll be heading to las vegas tomorrow. he met monday with the congressional hispanic caucus to sort of talk and preview this plan that he's already put out, but...

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. and heartened, whether it was bill kristolorjohnhatoritz.also scott walker who is doing really well up in wisconsin. and all the republicans got up there, and they were saying the same thing. we've got to stop being the stupid party. we've been saying here for six months, we have got to -- and john, i thought, had one of the best points, that we have stifled debate. the conservative movement has stifled debate. and if you go out and you dare to stand out in a crowd, whether it's on taxes or regulations or in the past on immigration, you were completely shunned from the party. finally there's an understanding we've got to grow the party. what we've been saying for quite frankly for years and getting attacked, we want colin powell on our side. we want moderate republicans on our side. if we're going to be the majority party again, we've got to spend the party. >> are you saying they're pushing her out of the spotlight as part of making the stupid party less stupid? >> what i'm saying is that sarah palin represented a time and place in american politics. and not 2008 so much as 20

. and heartened, whether it was bill kristol or john hatoritz. also scott walker who is doing really well up in wisconsin. and all the republicans got up there, and they were saying the same thing. we've got to stop being the stupid party. we've been saying here for six months, we have got to -- and john, i thought, had one of the best points, that we have stifled debate. the conservative movement has stifled debate. and if you go out and you dare to stand out in a crowd, whether it's on taxes...