Browns' battle royale for draft spot. Herbstreit likes Manziel.

A quick look at where the teams in the scrum against the Browns will land in the draft. Plus, other notes, including a semi-endorsement of Johnny Manziel from Kirk Herbstreit.

It's that time of year when the debate turns to the worth of a win.Was the loss at New England the worst moment of the season?Or was it the best thing that could have happened, a virtual victory, not an actual one only because the Browns were cheated, and a valuable help in draft position?Is winning the only thing, and only a win over the Bears will do?Or is it best to hope for a well played game and a loss ... and draft position?Whatever your viewpoint, a win surely seems possible against Chicago.The Bears are in a 1-4 road slump and will be fatigued, coming off a home win in the Monday nighter.The Browns had a road win over Tom Brady in the bag, if only they would have recovered the onside kick. Why wouldn't Jason Campbell win a duel against Josh McCown in Cleveland?The Browns are a 1 1/2-point favorite.

• • •• Here's how we're projecting finishes of the teams currently ahead of the Browns in draft position.- Texans (2-11). At Indianapolis, vs. Denver, at Tennessee. Best guess: 2-14- Redskins (3-10). At Atlanta, vs. Dallas, at New York Giants.Best guess: 4-12- Falcons (3-10). Vs. Washington, at San Francisco, vs. Carolina.Best guess: 4-12- Vikings (3-9-1). Vs. Philadelphia, at Cincinnati, vs. Detroit.Best guess: 4-11-1• The Browns are in a scrum of teams at 4-9. They are (with remaining schedules):- Jaguars. Vs. Buffalo, vs. Tennessee, at IndianapolisBest guess: 5-11- Raiders. Vs. Kansas City, at San Diego, vs. Denver.Best guess: 4-12- Buccaneers. Vs. San Francisco, at St. Louis, at New Orleans.Best guess: 4-12- Bills. At Jacksonville, vs. Miami, at New England.Best guess: 5-11• • •• The 2013 Browns are 4-9 after 13 games. Thirteen has not been a lucky number, and 4-9 has been something of a standing record.Their records after 13 games since 1995, Bill Belichick's final year:- 8-5: 2007- 7-6: 2002- 6-7: 2001- 5-8: 2012, 2010- 4-9: 2013, 2011, 2008, 2006, 2005, 2003, 1995- 3-10: 2004, 2000- 2-11: 2009, 1999• • •If Jason Campbell makes it through the next three games, plays well, and wins two of them ... then what?I'm sure we'll be getting into that one.• • • Kirk Herbstreit, on WKNR today, said he knows Browns fans are keeping a close watch on Johnny Manziel.Herbstreit said:"Before people give up on him ... he could be a guy to keep an eye on. I think he'll have a better NFL career than most people seem to believe."