Skill-wise Jessica is just a shitty brawler; aside from her strength she's no different from any one thug that Matt took out throughout the course of the series. The only way Jess wins is if Matt has no idea she has powers and she's trying to take him out with the first shot. Chances are he takes her lightly since she's just some random chick and takes a hard shot, but she's probably not trying to fuck him right away since she rarely does that even to people who attack her. So depending on how his suit holds up Matt gets really fucking bruised or breaks a rib, but then fights through it like usually and takes out Jess in about 10 minutes.

I can't see any logical scenario where she wins though. She'd have to get the jump on him but Matt would hear her coming.

>>77739322most of the times he took hits from normal dudes, he was with broken ribs and open cuts, contrary to other shows/cartoons/yadayada he didn't healed over night, fuck man, on the highway fight, he got his fucking chest stabbed by a pen just a few hours before.

>>77739380Honestly that part is kind of what made the story work as a rape metaphor, though. Her body wanted his dick despite her knowing better. It's pretty un-subtly a metaphor for a forced orgasm, (intentional or not by Bendis) and a much creepier thing to do, I think. I was kind of disappointed it didn't carry through to the show.

>>77740068Nah I like Daredevil in this fight too. Widow is probably a better martial artist, but Matt can take more abuse, has better protection, and has a C-level super power to close the gap. Only way Widow wins is with gadgets and even then, Matt took out dudes with guns on the regular so I don't know how effective the stingers or stun batons will be.

>>77740296BW has waaaaay better showings in combat though. For all of DD's senses he still has trouble against skilled combatants. BW is good enough to seriously hurt people with her hair, and KO tough guys in a couple of hits. Her tasers only give her even more of an advantage, because she doesn't need to shoot, just swing, which goes well with her skills.

The only advantage Matt has is defense, but that won't win a fight. While Matt is busy getting beat up by street thugs, Natasha is fighting super robots.

>>77739881They probably took it out because it's waaaaay to risky to imply that a girl wants to be raped, even if they come out and say it's entirely because of Kilgrave it's still muddy waters to tread through.

>>77739315Jesus who thought she could take Cap? I don't even think she could take Hawkeye. Even the weak Avengers like Clint and Natasha are trained well enough to know how to handle a bruiser with super strength. Without actual training Jessica's no more a threat to them than any of the Ultron bots they mauled through.

A fair Marvel fight for Jessica would be someone like Bobbi, or maybe May and Ward. Characters who are shown to be great hand to hand fighters but maybe not quite on the level of Matt/Clint/Nat.

>>77740358Yeah but as another Anon pointed out though, it's important to note that for the entirety of the Daredevil show Matt was fighting with progressively worse and worse injuries. He never had time to heal up and the only time we saw him fight healthy was in the beginning without his sticks or suit. Despite fighting with broken ribs for basically the whole show he was still a one man army and beat Nobu, Kingpin, Stick, and a whole mess of dudes with guns.

>>77740362>They probably took it out because it's waaaaay to risky to imply that a girl wants to be raped, even if they come out and say it's entirely because of Kilgrave it's still muddy waters to tread through.

It also wouldn't mesh too well with Kilgrave being motivated by wanting to be loved by the only person who had agency in the decision, and wasn't just him circlejerking himself. So I guess they took some depth from Jessica and traded it for some depth in Kilgrave.

Now which was cause and coincidence, I have no idea, but I did like the end result, and it managed to surprise me, which I enjoyed.

Jessica's stronger and more durable, but they're just leagues away in terms of skill. Jessica only gets by in fights because of her power, Matt's one of the best fighters in the MCU.

It would take some time to whittle her down, but Jessica would struggle to even land one hit on him.

Matt vs Luke would be the more interesting fight. Luke's way more durable than Jessica, and Matt might no be able to do any damage. And Luke is better in a fight than Jessica, he would eventually tag Matt. It would go on for ages, but I'd eventually give it to Luke probably.

>>77740402>Beat nobudoes that really count? He got destroyed. Besides, he said that that he could heal faster through meditation. Even then, thats all points to defense, not anything that makes it seem like he will win. The skill gap is pretty big here.

Jessica has no fucking fighting ability at all. She cannot even surprise Matt, he will know she is coming.

She cannot stand up to a few armed guys that Daredevil wouldn't even wipe his ass with.

IF, and only if, for some reason Daredevil isn't aware she is that strong despite her heart probably giving it away from two miles out for someone like Matt, and for some reason is foolish enough to allow himself to be hit, she could one punch him.

Matt, he is much faster and smarter when it comes to fighting, yes, Jessica is a street level power house, but she is an awful fighter and everyone else that she dough was just as bad, Matt is a trained fighter, it's in his blood. If Jessica can land a hit she has a chance, but I don't see Matt giving her that chance before he takes her down.

Why didn't Jessica know about Daredevil, anyway? As soon as Claire mentioned she had a friend who made life difficult for bad guys I thought for sure Jessica would be like "You mean that crazy with the devil horns?" or something. They live in the same neighborhood so you'd think Matt's very public takedown of Fisk would get him a bit of recognition.

>>77738970Daredevil would dumpster her every time assuming he's allowed to throw things. In a confined space Jessica probably wins through brute force, but Matt is still in with a pretty decent chance if he ruptures an eardrum or similar. He's going to be a much better technical fighter than Jess who is like an untrained toddler with super strength.

>>77742675I mean, canonically, have you READ Daredevil? He takes out supervillains with comparable powers on the regular. Jessica has no technique, and no real ability to plan ahead. You're arguing for a different person with Jessica's powers beating Daredevil, not actually Jessica. The entire point of her character is that she's terrible at using her powers. Daredevil should win because he's actually good at fighting.

>>77742706I'm pretty sure the trauma to Luke's head was just as much from the back of his head hitting the concrete as hard as it did as it was from the actual blast. He got hit in the chin, but most of the damage seemed to be to his cranium.

Daredevil. Jess is most definitely more powerful but hasn't had much if any training, definitely not anything near Matt's. So while Matt's fucked if she goes all out and manages to get one or more good hits in, chances are she's not really going to.

I know she was beat up from getting hit by a car but didn't Nuke kinda push her shit in and it took Jessica and Trish to stop him? Seems like Jessica fights guys less skilled than the thugs Daredevil fought. so I'm gonna give it to Daredevil.

>>77745213pretty sure on a combat level, as in fighting ability, he and Cap are pretty equal. Caps enhanced physicality and shield are his edge and Daredevils senses and billy clubs are his edge. I want to say Cap would win soley due to him being able to outlast Daredevil in stamina and endurance. but it would be an amazing fight and really really close.

>>77739667He made here watch him have sex and made her desperate and begging for him just to toy with her. Blue balls but forced. I find that far more disturbing than just rape its the anticipation that it could happen that makes it worse

>>77742706>Luke almost died from the energy of a shotgun blast.The shockwave from the blast pulped his brain. You can have all the invulnerable skin you want to prevent the shot from ripping most of your head apart, but it can't stop the internal trauma.

Jessica is a retard strategically and not very good at fighting. Look at how bad her plans were for taking down Kilgrave and how many times she got wrecked by normies. The only real argument against Daredevil is that his whole fighting style seems to revolve mostly around tanking hits and relying on his ridiculous endurance and sheer force of will and only dodging lethal attacks, and he's already pretty bad at the tanking part even without having to deal with superhuman strength. Guess it really depends on how good his new stupid looking armor is at its job and how quickly Matt can adapt.

>>77747760>Guess it really depends on how good his new stupid looking armor is at its job and how quickly Matt can adapt.No way could DD's armor take a hit from JJ. He would definitely need to avoid her punches. And due to the fact that Jessica isn't really that invulnerable, I'd say the fight goes to whoever can land the first punch.If DD knows her powers, it will be him, if he doesn't, it will probably be her.

>>77738970Daredevil could take down her and luke cage at the same time.He is skilled enough to avoid people who have literally no formal training long enough to hit luke in the same spot enough times to cause sufficient damage to his internal organs, and jessica is strong but can be knocked out by a normal person so matt would have no issue taking her out quickly.The two of them are so stupid compared to DD that i doubt they would ever come up with any kind of countermeasure to anything he could throw at them. A more interesting question would be how Matt would deal with Killgrave.

>>77740510black widow may have "superior showings" but its just flashy shit that really only works against the mindless drones she fights. Keep in mind we only have seen widow go toe to toe with a skilled fighter one time in winter soldier and it did not go well for her

The only reason black widow kicked ass during the movies was because she was paired with the avengers/captain america (so the director needed to show her not being useless). Theres no reason to believe DD wouldnt do the same in the same situtation.

What i'm trying to say is her power level was way high in the movies so she wouldnt be completely useless next to a guy in a super armor and a god.

>>77745588luke's effects were good. you got a real feel of him being...dense, heavy, like a piece of metal. when he slaps that guy over the head his hand feels like a wrecking ball. it's obvious how much he's constantly holding back

>>77751868It's always annoyed me how characters with super-strength apparently see no fucking value in getting some combat training. If she just knew how to fight she wouldn't constantly get overpowered by groups of nobodies. Fucking get off your ass and train with Trish, Jessica

>>77754046>He is a street-tier hero.So are Cage and Jessica, they're all street level

>So a superhuman strength punch from Cage or Jones would rek his shit.No one's denying that. The issue is Matt's ridiculously more skilled than Luke and Jessica, especially Jessica, and it would be really hard for either of them to even hit him.

Why didn't Jessica call up Stark and be like "hey you're Iron Man right? You're smart as fuck, right? There is a guy out there RIGHT FUCKING NOW who can mind control people just by telling them what to do."

Even if she's supposed to be a broken loner, why wouldn't she try to call in the big guns or get someone super fucking smart on the problem?

>>77754468have you tried getting through to the president lately? you think a person like that is someone anyone can just call up? besides, why would he believe her? there must be millions of fangirls out there willing to make shit up to get facettime with tony

>>77754537Because she has superpowers. Hell, she doesn't even have to call Stark. Call the Avengers. I find it hard to believe that someone who's taken on aliens and killer robots wouldn't at least consider a mind controlling british guy.

>>77754850But it's Iron Man and Cap. Hell, Iron Man alone would probably be able to whip up an anti-mind control helmet considering that for a while Kilgrave's actual voice needed to reach your ears and phonecalls and shit didn't work.

>>77754046Read a DD-comic. He is top tier when it comes to street level. His strongest superpower aren't even his senses, but how much he can get his crap slapped out of him and somehow not die. In Alias JJ even rages when she found out that Mat was DD after being his bodyguard. Since DD is so ridiculously more capable than she is.

>>77754407I mean, in general, MCU Matt is much weaker than his 616 counterpart, probably the most dramatically of any of the MCU characters. That being said though, he's a very green Daredevil, whereas 616 Matt's pretty experienced.

>>77754971I guess they wanted to somewhat follow the comic. And in the comic, Purple "Kevin" Man is not out and fucking around for even remotely as long as in the show. So going with the sniper was never really a possibility in the source material.

>>77755172>not sure even Jessica could replicate a point blank shotgun with a punchHow strong do you think guns are anon? All the force that's applied to Luke's skull was applied to anyone shoulder that's ever used a shotgun.

The difference is surface area, bullets are smaller than fists so they tear the skin and puncture people. However since Luke's skin doesn't break it's about the same force or less than the recoil the gun user feels.

A heavy weight boxer can apply more pressure to an object than a shotgun, Jessica Should be able to as well.

The shotgun blast doing that much damage to his brain is stupid, you could do transform more energy into Luke's skull with a baseball bat.

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