I have to be honest that I'm pretty excited about this - I can't wait for them to release more details. I'm especially curious about the price point - is this cheaper than the first version, same price, or running in the mini/G4 range?

I'm a big Mini fan, so if they get these things done, it can compete in the Mini price range:

- Get at least 6-7 pods from a 68/45. Remember, this is probably geared for newer player, it doesn't need 10 or more pods.
- Make maintenance relatively quick and easy. If I spend less than 15 minutes doing regular light maintenance, I'm happy.
- Have different sized-barrel backs available. If they can make .681, .685, and .689 backs available, that'd be a great step. I'm assuming the back is about .693-ish.

Honestly, if the trigger works nicely (or aftermarket triggers are available), this looks great. I'd throw a POPS and a better trigger on there, and if the marker shoots well and gets good efficiency, it looks to be a great marker.

I'm a big Mini fan, so if they get these things done, it can compete in the Mini price range:

- Get at least 6-7 pods from a 68/45. Remember, this is probably geared for newer player, it doesn't need 10 or more pods.- Make maintenance relatively quick and easy. If I spend less than 15 minutes doing regular light maintenance, I'm happy.- Have different sized-barrel backs available. If they can make .681, .685, and .689 backs available, that'd be a great step. I'm assuming the back is about .693-ish.

Honestly, if the trigger works nicely (or aftermarket triggers are available), this looks great. I'd throw a POPS and a better trigger on there, and if the marker shoots well and gets good efficiency, it looks to be a great marker.

I think the current Zenith does all of these things, but gets a bad rap for not being a Proto Rail / GOG eXTCy. The current stock barrel bore is .689 and then they have a cf barrel that is .691. I would bet maintenance of the bolt and striker are less than 5 minutes of regular maintenance - more if you breakdown the reg or ZeRO system regularly. I look at the Zenith as an alternate budget version of the Etek that provides a poppit alternative to the Rail and eXTCy spools.

I liked the zenith until i found out it was a sear tripper. Then after that i was lookIng for different products. It seems kind of like a downgrade, or atleast no one has given me enough proof to use one over somethIng else

I liked the zenith until i found out it was a sear tripper. Then after that i was lookIng for different products. It seems kind of like a downgrade, or atleast no one has given me enough proof to use one over somethIng else

I liked the zenith until i found out it was a sear tripper. Then after that i was lookIng for different products. It seems kind of like a downgrade, or atleast no one has given me enough proof to use one over somethIng else

IMO it looks pretty badass.Hopefully it will be one of a few good cheap electros.If you think about it,it might be like a GOG envy vs.extcy thing:just a normal zenith on steroids.

I wish we knew more, but I'm going to venture out on a limb and say I don't think so. Azodin announced they were releasing an electropneumatic and a spool this year. This clearly is not a spool design with the stacked tubes.

Assuming they meant electropneumatic in the most literal and accurate sense, the firing type is going to be more like the PE Ego line - using pressured air to blow the bolt forward before the escape air chamber marries up with the firing of the ball. The Zenith type 1 uses a spring to move the bolt forward instead. It depends on how they price it, but assuming it's near $300 this will be a direct competitor for the other low-priced true electropneumatic in the Dangerous Power G4. If they price it near $450 then it will be a direct competitor to the next closest true electropneumatic which is the Etek. I'm betting they market it around the $300 mark and try to push dP out of the arena with better quality and customer service.

Now, I see a lot of comments regarding the Zenith as being just like a Spyder electro, but that completely ignores how the two-spring system of the drive and ZeRO recoil work. Yes, it's sear with springs and not pneumatic, but you're balancing both sides of the valve to a lower pressure requirement and lower kick. It's going to be quieter and smoother than any other stacked tube poppet FASOR (or similar) design in a significant price band around it (that would be the Spyders, the G4, and the etek), and maybe even the smoothest stacked tube poppet on the new market (at the cost of efficiency comparative). EDIT: I'm just not sure that comment can stand against a BL, Alien, Cyborg, etc.

The balanced-valve "VS" Spyders worked at an even lower pressure/spring rate than the Zenith, though Kingman eventually dropped the idea in favor of the simplicity of the eKo valve running higher working pressures to deliver better efficiency. In the entry-level game, that was probably the smart way to go.

Anyway, I'd be willing to bet the new Zenith is another glorified E-Spyder just like the first one, albeit with more ambitious milling and coloration.

Ah, I've certainly learned something new today - The Spyder VS series flew right by during my absence from paintball. I'm not sure they were discontinued voluntarily, though. The VS1 was released in 2006, and the VS3 was discontinued in 2008 - however, that is the time period where Eric Wang left Kingman and started Azodin. Within a few months of the VS3 being discontinued the Zenith hits the shelves. I'm not sure what the terms were, but it's equally plausible that Eric took the designer talent pool or design with him as that Kingman abandoned it for an alternate valve.

One thing I do notice that makes a big difference from the ZeRO and the VS-series, is that the ZeRO is adjustable. Taking the tension off the cup seal lowers the kick considerably and the volume slightly at the sacrifice of efficiency.

I must say, though, putting them side-to-side like that, your assertion about same style with new milling appears apt. Still, I think the entry-level poppet market gets a bad rap due to Kingman and not necessarily the recoil-less stacked-tube blowback. Particularly when the main complaint was twistlock feedneck which they've apparently replaced with a clamping style.

IMO it looks pretty badass.Hopefully it will be one of a few good cheap electros.If you think about it,it might be like a GOG envy vs.extcy thing:just a normal zenith on steroids.

I wish we knew more, but I'm going to venture out on a limb and say I don't think so. Azodin announced they were releasing an electropneumatic and a spool this year. This clearly is not a spool design with the stacked tubes.

Assuming they meant electropneumatic in the most literal and accurate sense, the firing type is going to be more like the PE Ego line - using pressured air to blow the bolt forward before the escape air chamber marries up with the firing of the ball. The Zenith type 1 uses a spring to move the bolt forward instead. It depends on how they price it, but assuming it's near $300 this will be a direct competitor for the other low-priced true electropneumatic in the Dangerous Power G4. If they price it near $450 then it will be a direct competitor to the next closest true electropneumatic which is the Etek. I'm betting they market it around the $300 mark and try to push dP out of the arena with better quality and customer service.

Now, I see a lot of comments regarding the Zenith as being just like a Spyder electro, but that completely ignores how the two-spring system of the drive and ZeRO recoil work. Yes, it's sear with springs and not pneumatic, but you're balancing both sides of the valve to a lower pressure requirement and lower kick. It's going to be quieter and smoother than any other stacked tube poppet FASOR (or similar) design in a significant price band around it (that would be the Spyders, the G4, and the etek), and maybe even the smoothest stacked tube poppet on the new market (at the cost of efficiency comparative). EDIT: I'm just not sure that comment can stand against a BL, Alien, Cyborg, etc.

I'm a big Mini fan, so if they get these things done, it can compete in the Mini price range:

- Get at least 6-7 pods from a 68/45. Remember, this is probably geared for newer player, it doesn't need 10 or more pods.- Make maintenance relatively quick and easy. If I spend less than 15 minutes doing regular light maintenance, I'm happy.- Have different sized-barrel backs available. If they can make .681, .685, and .689 backs available, that'd be a great step. I'm assuming the back is about .693-ish.

Honestly, if the trigger works nicely (or aftermarket triggers are available), this looks great. I'd throw a POPS and a better trigger on there, and if the marker shoots well and gets good efficiency, it looks to be a great marker.

I think the current Zenith does all of these things, but gets a bad rap for not being a Proto Rail / GOG eXTCy. The current stock barrel bore is .689 and then they have a cf barrel that is .691. I would bet maintenance of the bolt and striker are less than 5 minutes of regular maintenance - more if you breakdown the reg or ZeRO system regularly. I look at the Zenith as an alternate budget version of the Etek that provides a poppit alternative to the Rail and eXTCy spools.

IMO it looks pretty badass.Hopefully it will be one of a few good cheap electros.If you think about it,it might be like a GOG envy vs.extcy thing:just a normal zenith on steroids.

I wish we knew more, but I'm going to venture out on a limb and say I don't think so. Azodin announced they were releasing an electropneumatic and a spool this year. This clearly is not a spool design with the stacked tubes.

Assuming they meant electropneumatic in the most literal and accurate sense, the firing type is going to be more like the PE Ego line - using pressured air to blow the bolt forward before the escape air chamber marries up with the firing of the ball. The Zenith type 1 uses a spring to move the bolt forward instead. It depends on how they price it, but assuming it's near $300 this will be a direct competitor for the other low-priced true electropneumatic in the Dangerous Power G4. If they price it near $450 then it will be a direct competitor to the next closest true electropneumatic which is the Etek. I'm betting they market it around the $300 mark and try to push dP out of the arena with better quality and customer service.

Now, I see a lot of comments regarding the Zenith as being just like a Spyder electro, but that completely ignores how the two-spring system of the drive and ZeRO recoil work. Yes, it's sear with springs and not pneumatic, but you're balancing both sides of the valve to a lower pressure requirement and lower kick. It's going to be quieter and smoother than any other stacked tube poppet FASOR (or similar) design in a significant price band around it (that would be the Spyders, the G4, and the etek), and maybe even the smoothest stacked tube poppet on the new market (at the cost of efficiency comparative). EDIT: I'm just not sure that comment can stand against a BL, Alien, Cyborg, etc.

that is a good point and your likely right about the pricing. my only issue with your statement is where you say: " It's going to be quieter and smoother than any other stacked tube poppet FASOR (or similar) design in a significant price band around it (that would be the Spyders, the G4, and the etek".the G4 is a spool valve, not a FASOR type design, your thinking of the Fusion FX which is DP's midrange priced FASOR

IMO it looks pretty badass.Hopefully it will be one of a few good cheap electros.If you think about it,it might be like a GOG envy vs.extcy thing:just a normal zenith on steroids.

I wish we knew more, but I'm going to venture out on a limb and say I don't think so. Azodin announced they were releasing an electropneumatic and a spool this year. This clearly is not a spool design with the stacked tubes.

Assuming they meant electropneumatic in the most literal and accurate sense, the firing type is going to be more like the PE Ego line - using pressured air to blow the bolt forward before the escape air chamber marries up with the firing of the ball. The Zenith type 1 uses a spring to move the bolt forward instead. It depends on how they price it, but assuming it's near $300 this will be a direct competitor for the other low-priced true electropneumatic in the Dangerous Power G4. If they price it near $450 then it will be a direct competitor to the next closest true electropneumatic which is the Etek. I'm betting they market it around the $300 mark and try to push dP out of the arena with better quality and customer service.

Now, I see a lot of comments regarding the Zenith as being just like a Spyder electro, but that completely ignores how the two-spring system of the drive and ZeRO recoil work. Yes, it's sear with springs and not pneumatic, but you're balancing both sides of the valve to a lower pressure requirement and lower kick. It's going to be quieter and smoother than any other stacked tube poppet FASOR (or similar) design in a significant price band around it (that would be the Spyders, the G4, and the etek), and maybe even the smoothest stacked tube poppet on the new market (at the cost of efficiency comparative). EDIT: I'm just not sure that comment can stand against a BL, Alien, Cyborg, etc.

that is a good point and your likely right about the pricing. my only issue with your statement is where you say: " It's going to be quieter and smoother than any other stacked tube poppet FASOR (or similar) design in a significant price band around it (that would be the Spyders, the G4, and the etek".the G4 is a spool valve, not a FASOR type design, your thinking of the Fusion FX which is DP's midrange priced FASOR

You're exactly right. I often make that mistake by confusing the G4 with the FX. Thanks!