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Kommentar von Sseleman

Kommentar von Jeranis

I would guess this is a 'discovered' alchemy recipe, only learned through sheer luck.

Kommentar von Adacas

Yeah a friend of mine got this Transmute today when he did a Primal might transmute.

Kommentar von divulse

This is incorrect. Discoveries can be made making potions that would not raise your skill level. (Grey potions, or potions made at 375 skill). The only stipulation is that they must be TBC-specific potions, not potions from before the expansion.

Kommentar von phllpw

This is one of the best Transmutes out there!

Primal Shadow is quite common and cheap while Primal Water is the exact opposite. :)

Kommentar von Ograthian

discovered this off my first primal might transmute after i became master of transmute

Kommentar von HunterCyprus

Does this discovery thing work with all professions? Or is this just for alchemy?

Thanks,Cyprus

Kommentar von Candrimon

Just alchemy so far.

Kommentar von Neviskio

i just discovered this while making primal might at 375 alchemy on my priest and i'm VERY happy since i need a lot of primal water/easy gold

Kommentar von Ramlas

Discovered on Earthen Ring by a Transmute Specialist while transmuting Primal Earth to Primal Water (alchemy skill 375, done while at the Scryer Bank in Shattrath).

Kommentar von trallah

I was transmuting an earthstorm diamond for a guildmate this morning, and I discovered this on the Cenarius server. Was my first discovered item and was really happy with it, as I have always been able to get shadows, but rarely get waters.

Kommentar von Tiran

Please, could we not go around posting discoveries of this or other alchemy recipies. We know that it works off of a discovery based system already and that it's random and independent of location, so what transmute you were doing and where you were doing it isn't going to help anyone else get it.

While this is a nice transmute, since you can change a 50s primal shadow into a 30g primal water, it's still a fairly inefficient way to get primal waters. Shimmercale eels in the lake northeast of Shattrath drop motes of water fairly regularly, and you'll do better farming those than farming shadow to transmute one per day.

This seems to me like a transmute to use for a quick 30g when I don't have something of more value to produce, i.e. primal might or diamonds from my own farming efforts.

Kommentar von Kikyo

got mine just now, was transmuting a skyfire diamond for a buddy and Bang " Serenity has discovered Transmute : Primal Shadow to Primal Water! not bad.. Primal Shadows are worth nothing, primal waters are worth alot more

Kommentar von Chillincold

Guide to discovering potions/flasks/elixirs/transmutes.

For the casual gamer:- Make sure your transmutation is always on cooldown. (You would probably log in at the same time everyday for a few hours, so keep a few reagents in your bag and do a transmute everytime its up.)

- Make potions and elixirs that you use although buying them from the auction house maybe cheaper than buying the reagents. ( You would probably have a cash flow set back so my advice is to have your second profession as herbalism to have a continuous supply of your own reagents.)

- Make yourself known to your guildmates and in game friends that you are an alchemist so that when party/raid members run low on potions/elixirs you can make some on the spot and charge them for it. (Try to keep stock of vials and herbs for potions/elixirs that move fast e.g netherbloom, terocone, mountain silversage, felweed, dreaming glory, etc...)

- My personal recomendations to such a gamer is to be a potion master. (Please don't flame me with your never ending argument on which mastery is better. I just think that a casual gamer trying to be a mobile alchemy auction house, potions are the most likely item people run out of that are essential to a raid/heroic.)

For the power gamer:- Your transmutation timer has no excuse to be up. (If you're absent minded or loose track of time, set an alarm.)

- Make potions and elixirs that suffice your usage. Craft the item of your chosen mastery. Spread your crafts on a few items so you don't flood the auction house with one item. You should be able to be the most competetive seller since your procs yield you extra items. ( After a week or two you will be familiar with the items that sell and those that dont. Make more of the ones that do sell.)

- Make macros to advertise yourself as an alchemist on general chat when you cross teritories and trade chat when ur at a major city. (I find that listing some of your best potions/elixirs/flasks helps because not everyone is an alchemist and not everyone knows the available items in alchemy.)

- My personal recomendations to such a gamer is to be a elixir master. (Please don't flame me with your never ending argument on which mastery is better. I just think that a power gamer can spread his liabilities as there are a lot more elixirs compared to potions and such a gamer would be able to gather materials to create flasks {falls under elixir mastery}.)

Tips- Always have reagents in your bag. If you run low on bag space priorotise for reagents on tansmutations.

- Make frequent trips to the auction house to know prices or download a mod that helps do it for you. I have mods but I still rely on my memory for all alchemy stuff because for alchemy its not an average of price over time. Its the price on that day, that week or that month. If your server is in end game you will be looking at completely different prices of all alchemy items compared to a server that has newly begun.

- Make frequent trips to the auction house to know your competitiors. If you can't beat their prices make a pact with them (e.g. you make certain items they make certain items, or if you're different masteries you should recomend your fellow customers to each other.)

- {More for power gamers} Be up to date on how far and how fast your server is progressing. This way you can be the first to be there with the items. (e.g. I sold more than 250 stacks of greater arcane protection potions alothough i knew how to make major arcane protection potions. At this point in time we're 3-4 months into the expansion and most players are still trying to save up cash or simply can't afford the major potions. On my server now, most guilds dont need them for the curator fight in karazhan but before they were experienced in taking him down they we're willing to pay my outrageous prices to have an edge on the encounters.)

Kommentar von Chillincold

Dirty tricks:Knowing the backdoors in every game and business encounter definately helps. Since this is the low down section of my thread, and undenyably unscrupulous. I will only let you in on one of the not so sinster of my plots. (For my own conscience sake I don't want to corrupt the world.)

- {For herbalists} If you know of an item that sells well but its reagents are never on the auction house, create an alternate character and park him at an auction house. Advertise items that require this reagent and sell it for double or triple the price on your alternate character so that the buyer doesn't know that its you. (e.g. Not many people know about greater arcane elixir, and its a great elixir for casters altough its a lower level elixir compared to post TBC items. I sell reagents such as dreamfoil and mountain silversage at triple the normal price on my alternate character. My customers usually ask me if they are usually that expensive, I either tell them "Yeah thats the normal price nowadays." or "Thats cheap!!")

From past experience I have to state this for my peace of mind. Please dont send me a mail or ask me for more details on the "Dirty tricks" section. Thank you for reading my post, and if you slept half way... DUDE/DUDET you missed out, what were you thinking trying to sleep in one of my lectures!

Kommentar von eqXzeRt

The best primal transmute yet. Primal water costs about ten times expencier then primal shadow. You should be lucky to discover it.

Kommentar von parigee

I got this on my 67 rogue doing a primal transmute.Doode, Lothar

Kommentar von dungfacchow

Anyone know the percent of how many will be made when you transmute from shadow to water?

Kommentar von keyifpezevengi

When I discovered primal water to shadow people make fun with me "hohoho you just learned how to transmute 25 g to 1 g"Next day, I discovered primal shadow to water. I guess I was a bit lucky.

Its really awesome, easy to earn money.. Free 25 g or more everyday (well it procs a lot)

Kommentar von dungfacchow

Ya, I learned Shadow to Water right when i hit 375 Alchemy, thats luck if you ask me.

Kommentar von Danfortman

I discovered this today while tranmuteing Primal Might.

Kommentar von Kaneli

I discovered this from a primal earth to water transmute.

Kommentar von Lillemand

wher can you get it?

Kommentar von Samboda

Possible primal transmutes are :

Air ==> Fire ==> Earth ==> Water ==> Air

Fire <=> Mana

Earth <=> Life

Water <=> Shadow

Kommentar von Sibuna

shadows on Warsong sell for 9 gold

Kommentar von nachotronic

Please dont write how do you get more gold if you trans. shadow to water, because that an example in your server, in mine server the p.shadow its for 19-22g and water 20-25g so its doesnt important only if need.

Or if want write that opinion whit the server you play for not confuse.

thats my opinion, you can write whatever you want.

Ciao

PD: my server its Venture Co :)

Kommentar von Takk

Just an FYI - Today on my 63 priest with 359 Alchemy I did a Skyfire Diamond Transmute in Ironforge in the AH room on Daggerspine server, after i did it -

BAM -- I make this discovery transmute..pretty cool i guess after reading the above posts and this being a random thing.

Kommentar von Ludwick

Requirements to make a discovery

You must be crafting a potion, elixir, flask or performing a transmutation that was added in TBC.

As a rule of thumb that's anything that is learnt from a master alchemy trainer, dropped from a mob in outland or purchased from a vendor in outland. The only real exceptions are the pre-TBC flasks that have been made available from faction vendors in outland.

NOT requirements to make a discovery

You don't need to be in outland

You don't need a mastery

You don't need to be 375 alchemy

You don't need to be level 70

You don't need to craft yellow or orange recipes to make discoveries. Even grey recipes can proc discoveries

You don't need to be crafting a related recipe *except* in the case of cauldrons (You can discover flasks when making potions for example)

Kommentar von Serai

since the mote of shadow no longer drops of everything that is even remotely demon related, but now only of void spawn, the use of this recipe has dropped significantly

Kommentar von warcanon

Transmute: Earth to water is THE best transmute if your just looking for the price difference and make a lot of money. But I didn't play TBC in the 2.0.12 patch so I can't say if primal shadow was cheaper at that time compared to today.Today, I can find a primal shadow for about 10-15G on a low-demand day. With transmute mastery I could get (very rare) up to 5x primals from a transmute. If you have this transmute and don't think it's worth farm sporeggar rep I see that this is a good use, if you can make sure you get about 10g profit from the primal you sell.Remember that prices on servers is different and there for, this is not a sure moneymaker.

Kommentar von Bubonic

For those who are trying to discover these transmutes, it is still possible, although I think that it may happen only with primal transmutes now (not including Transmute Primal Might). I spent about five months doing daily gem transmutes (Cardinal Ruby, etc.) along with as many primal mights as I could (2-5 per day) and didn't make a single discovery. Even though I had read that these discoveries were possible with just about any transmute, I switched solely to the primal transmutes (with the cooldown). Since then I've discovered two primal transmutes (Primal Water to Shadow and Primal Earth to Life) in about three weeks. I'd like to know if anyone else has made a primal discovery lately with any other kind of transmute; if not, it seems like primal transmutes are your best bet for discoveries right now.

Update: Discovered the last two primal transmute I didn't have in the next week.

Kommentar von ahazi

I've been keeping my CD's every day for this to get:

Primal shadow to waterPrimal earth to life

Not had a discovery in a long time, and it's a pain only being able to do one every 24 hours, been doing this for weeks and nothing.

as I'm trying to get all the alch recipes, only 9 short of total at the minute.

Kommentar von hjp426

Anyone discover this post-cata? Wondering if it's still just Primal Transmutes that gives you a chance to discover this... it's the last primal transmute I need. Been doing it for weeks on end, no discovery yet.

Kommentar von Schleepwalker

I was standing in water when I discovered the transmute. I know it doesn't add any bonuses, but if you want a bit of good luck ;)

Kommentar von Ornthorpe

I just discovered this shadow to water transmute at level 90 in Pandaria while transmuting the living steel daily. I have been a transmute master for 4 years. So never give up hope - but don't bother to pursue it.

Kommentar von herumor

Got water to shadow from crafting a super mana potion. These can and will be discovered from any TBC recipe, but you get better results from ones that are 375 skill recipes that use TBC mats. The daily transmute has a higher chance, yet it isn't the only thing that will let you discover new ones.

The trick with these discoveries is that they appear to be tied to the difficulty of the skill, and so when you out-level the recipes and they become gray, it will be a lot harder to finish the transmute discoveries. They changed this for future expansions so that they always have a % chance instead of a % modified by recipe difficulty.

In other words, don't advance the tier of your alchemy beyond 375 but max it out. Next sit and craft a bunch of the cheapest potions, elixirs, or flasks you can that are the most difficult (preferably orange). You can do the daily transmute as well since you won't be able to make living steel yet.

Of course, if you aren't just now skilling up you'd have to be willing to start over, but a day of farming plus a few hours of skilling up is a lot better than weeks or months of trying to finish these.

Kommentar von herumor

I can confirm that these primal transmute discoveries can proc when crafting Alchemist Stones. Happened to me today.