I’m trying to see if Walsh wrote about the Gray Davis recall. In the meantime, here’s a delicous mango from NRO:

Vonnegut
: 11/17/11 13:50

Comparing Democrats to Brezhnev, Islamists, and the Taliban for supporting a recall election of an governor might be slightly less ridiculous if anyone on the right (or Mr. Walsh) had used such terms to describe the recall election of California governor Gray Davis a few years ago. No, I don’t recall any such claims then either.

People like Mr. Walsh would be hilarious if they didn’t have the scary habit of questioning the patriotism of people whenever they happen to be on the other side of an issue.

And by the way, Democrats of course fought the recall election of Davis, but didn’t throw around “Islamist” insults at the folks who sought the recall. Yes, “elections have consequences” — INCLUDING recall elections. Is that so hard to understand? Seems like Republicans themselves understood and accepted it pretty well just a few years ago in California.

But now to Mr. Walsh and his ilk, you’re an enemy of the state just for invoking the SAME type of law his compadres invoked a few years ago.

Comparing Democrats to Brezhnev, Islamists, and the Taliban for supporting a recall election of an governor might be slightly less ridiculous if anyone on the right (or Mr. Walsh) had used such terms to describe the recall election of California governor Gray Davis a few years ago. No, I don’t recall any such claims then either.

After 2008, the Left enjoyed crowing that “elections have consequences.” Consequences for thee, maybe, but not for me.

The difference being, of course, that Obama and his Congress (I assume that’s what he means when he says “the Left”) were perfectly up front about their intentions during the elections, whereas the governors in the Rust Belt ran on a jobs platform and didn’t reveal until after the election that they intended to destroy collective bargaining rights.

Anywho, half a million signatures in sixty days. I dunno, that kinda sounds liek a reasonable sized block to prevent frivilous recalls. Also too, triggering a recall is just that. If Walker truly does represent teh will of Wisconsinites, then he should be delighted to go to teh polls and get confirmation of his mandate to bust unions.

“Privileged” my fuckin left foot. Guy’s probably in some non-union low-wage service job, gets assfucked by his boss daily, and can’t understand why everybody doesn’t love assfuckings as much as him.

Said it before, will say it again: Libertarianism is some bizarro-mirror image form of communism. Very strict definition of what constitutes success, very strict rules on how to get there, anyone caught breaking those rules must be, simply must be, punished. Because if we stop believing that the Invisible Hand will bless us all with wealth after enough worship, hell, what’s next?!

Said it before, will say it again: Libertarianism is some bizarro-mirror image form of communism.

I find it funny that they both have the same endgame: government fading away and leaving behind a society that’s unregulated but somehow self-regulating all for the best in the best of worlds, because… because… something.

Objectivism specifically’s pretty communist in outlook: history’s full of class warfare, the world’s divided into a small upper class and a large mass of teeming workers, there’s no objective morality (hence the similar contempt for religion) to clutter up our worldviews. The only difference is she sides with the upper class. Wonder if growing up in Russia, but on the other side of the revolution, is where she got that from – hearing all the communist propaganda at a young age, having a lot of the worldview imprint on her, but still identifying with the villains of the narrative.

I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again: Assassination attempts (or actual assassinations) are random events that have nothing to do with politics or popularity.

Richard Nixon, the most universally despised president in recent memory, never was the target of a serious attempt. Neither was Dubya, despite near-record disapproval ratings. Gerald Ford, arguably the emptiest suit ever to hold the office, was almost killed twice, while the (inexplicably) beloved Ronald Reagan actually stopped a bullet. Trying to discern a pattern or impute political meaning to such events is a waste of time.

Trying to discern a pattern or impute political meaning to such events is a waste of time.

Would you agree, tho, that if an assassin spouts rhetoric identical to that thrown about by…I say this with a straight face…legitimate political entities, that entity needs to be held accountable for its inflammatory rhetoric?

Would you agree, tho, that if an assassin spouts rhetoric identical to that thrown about by…I say this with a straight face…legitimate political entities, that entity needs to be held accountable for its inflammatory rhetoric?

Possibly, although careful where you go with that. I heard this guy was part of the OWS crowd for a time.

Surely one can see the perfect paralell between using constitutionally established procedures to vote an unpopular leader out of office and rolling T-54s into a foreign country to brutally supress an entire people with military force because they want the right to vote an unpopular government out of office.

Would you agree, tho, that if an assassin spouts rhetoric identical to that thrown about by…I say this with a straight face…legitimate political entities, that entity needs to be held accountable for its inflammatory rhetoric?

Define “held accountable”? What with First Amendment issues and all, it’d be pretty tricky to enforce that, I think.

One of the worst aspects of Soviet socialist tyranny was how ordinary people could later organize popular ballot initiatives and recall elections to reverse the laws that the unquestionable Stalinist state had just issued.

After 2008, the Left enjoyed crowing that “elections have consequences.” Consequences for thee, maybe, but not for me.

Well, now, I seem to recall the Left was ECHOING the statement as made by the Bushies and conservatives after the 2004 election to the drive to ram through the stupidest fucking batch of one-sided bullshit they could, regardless of what polls or the Constitution said. Of course, conservatives have since stood in the way of popular legislation and refused to compromise in the slightest when they are a minority proving that elections apparently only have consequences for everyone else, so FUCK YOU you disingenuous horse’s ass.

So anyways, I was doing some reading on that Cugir SA assault rifle. It’s not a Dragunov clone, it’s an AK that looks like an SVD. And it’s not an assault rifle, it’s a designated marksman rifle. All of which is to say that gun folks are way too invested in their hobby.

The Romanians took an AK-47 and retooled it by removing full auto, but extending out the range. A lot. Wiki lists an effective range of a kilometre, but teh sweet spot seems to be in the 500-600 metre neighbourhood. It’s apparently capable of what teh shooters call “sub MOA” accuracy, meaning that at 500 metres, you’re looking at 5″ to 6″ groupings. So basically – it’s a sniper rifle. The guy was shooting at the White House with a fucking sniper rifle.

I fondly recall blasting cinder blocks to smithereens at 1500 ft. wiff mah .308, good times. The local sportsman’s club had gongs set up on the mountain slope across from the sight-in range. S’been an eon or two but I seem to recall them being set at 300, 500 and 1000 yards. Now, the far one was prolly a good 400 ft. higher than the benches. The mighty .308 was about the only gun that could consistently hit the far gong.

But enough rifling through my memories. Teh Safeway had the poly bags of baby spinach on sale at a buck each. I bought an Imperial fucktonne of ’em. After spinach salad, creamed spinach, wilted spinach with garlic, spinach in the lasagna, und so weiter I had to dig deep. Then it came to me – there are a few classics mightily deserving of a comeback. Liptauer, crepes Suzette, iceberg wedge with bleu cheese and steak Diane among them. What came to my mind was spinach cheese souffle.

Bring a medium to large pot of water to the boil. PROTIP: don’t add salt until the water is hot, especially if it’s a stainless, non-stick or aluminum pot.

TEH HO NEEDS ME — I shall return shortly to complete this fascinating and instructive comment. Now where’s that gin…..

Saute a humongous shallot or three, diced finely, in several Tbs. unsalted butter until they are soft and translucent. Toss in a couple Tbsp. flour and cook for a minute, stirring. A good dosage of fresh grated nutmeg is de fucking rigeur. White pepper if ya have it is nice but I didn’t and beside, IT’S A FUCKING SOUFFLE PEOPLE, TEENSY BLACK SPECKS DOAN MEAN SHIT.

But enough rifling through my memories. Teh Safeway had the poly bags of baby spinach on sale at a buck each. I bought an Imperial fucktonne of ‘em. After spinach salad, creamed spinach, wilted spinach with garlic, spinach in the lasagna, und so weiter I had to dig deep. Then it came to me – there are a few classics mightily deserving of a comeback. Liptauer, crepes Suzette, iceberg wedge with bleu cheese and steak Diane among them. What came to my mind was spinach cheese souffle.

Bring a medium to large pot of water to the boil. PROTIP: don’t add salt until the water is hot, especially if it’s a stainless, non-stick or aluminum pot. When it burls dump a bag or two of spinach in there, push it down with a wooden spoon (or some such shit) and let it boil for a couple minutes. Drain, let cool, squeeze as much likwid out as ya kin then chop that spinachy shit up.

Saute a humongous shallot or three, diced finely, in several Tbs. unsalted butter until they are soft and translucent. Toss in a couple Tbsp. flour and cook for a minute, stirring. A good dosage of fresh grated nutmeg is de fucking rigeur. White pepper if ya have it is nice but I didn’t and beside, IT’S A FUCKING SOUFFLE PEOPLE, TEENSY BLACK SPECKS DOAN MEAN SHIT. A soupçon of cayenne pepper and some mustard powder would be teh shinizzle but I forgot the mustard powder and I was OUT OF FUCKING CAYENNE HOW THE FUCKING HELL DID THAT HAPPEN? So then you pour in a cup and half or so of hot milk. Stir stir stir and fucking stir already you lazy fuckwad. When it thickens nicely you remove that shit from the heat and whisk in about 1/4 cup freshly grated parm. regg. and a cup or two of grated sharp cheddar.

Now, take the four egg yolks at room temperature and whip them to a foamy, frothy, yellow thang. Mix the yolks into the béchamel.

The egg whites get an 1/8 teaspoon of creme of tartar (unless you have perfectly clean copper bowls which I no longer do – bowls that is) and whip to firm but not stiff peaks. Take about 1/3 of the whipped egg whites and blen it into the cheese sauce. Then dump the sauce into the egg whites, add the chopped spinach and fold everything together.

Dump it into a 1 1/2 quart souffle dish thang which has been uttered and floured. , or if you ain’t got one use a bread loaf pan. Fold some aluminum foil in thirds, wipe with butter and wrap around the dish to allow for expansion. Bake in a preheated 350F oven for, oh fuck I don’t know until it’s risen and a knife inserted into the center comes out clean.

Who would have ever thought that Republicans would violently turn on a process they championed mostly to get rid of Democratic governors over Republican mistakes (see Gray Davis and Enron) when it was used for its intended purpose (getting rid of corrupt governors who have decided to not obey the laws of the state but are not impeachable owing to partisan gridlock)?

Also to be equally as shocking, Republicans to whine like crybabies the next time they are in control of the Senate again and Democrats filibuster a single crazy/evil bill and call it an unfair tactic after three years of having an automatic filibuster on every bill the democrats want to pass.

Or whining about media witchhunts after Clinton after greater awareness of sex scandals and the ratings they generate is used to kick open the closet on Republican congressman and note the harassment and rapes in the background of some presidential candidates.

Who would have ever thought that Republicans would violently turn on a process they championed mostly to get rid of Democratic governors over Republican mistakes (see Gray Davis and Enron) when it was used for its intended purpose (getting rid of corrupt governors who have decided to not obey the laws of the state but are not impeachable owing to partisan gridlock)?

Bingo. For my money, this is way better than impeachment: the people passing judgment on the politician are the ones he’s supposed to be working for in the first place. Is there a potential for abuse – eh, probably. But no more, and almost certainly much less, than the potential for abuse of the impeachment process. And frankly, if a politician gets removed from office who doesn’t deserve to be, I’d rather it be by the voters than by other politicians.

After 2008, the Left enjoyed crowing that “elections have consequences.” Consequences for thee, maybe, but not for me.

I know I shouldn’t be, but I’m always amazed at how the Right seems unable to process when the Left is mocking something the Right was being a dick about.

Kind of like how “teabaggers” didn’t start as a leftist taunt or like how “elections have consequences” was throwing back Dick Cheney’s douchery in 2004 about how their stolen barely win was somehow a blank check to go apeshit.

It was about “what do you think about your statement now that you’re on the losing end”? About pointing out the hypocrisy of sentiments like this where they whine about the left doing what the law was intended to do after they abused it.

How dare you win a democratic election after we stole two? How dare you recall a governor who openly mocks court orders after we used it to move an election of a semi-popular governor to a moment more convenient to seizing power? How dare you ever interrupt the secret amendment that says we win always and forever and you aren’t allowed to complain?

I mean, I get the psychology, but it still amazes me.

And it makes a lot else make sense given their inability to understand nuance, turns of phrases, the difference between reality and fantasy, and so on…

If anyone is thinking of going postal, I recommend taking out the news owners and producers who covered the Brooks Brothers Riot and decided all on their lonesome to call the election because they didn’t think the U.S. could handle a recount in a presidential election.

Well, I mean, they couldn’t possibly! What with that long leadup from election to inauguration, none of that time could possibly be spared insuring a fair and clean election process, what with that being the most important cornerstone of our most hollowed institution.

Why, we could have to wait days, even weeks, to learn about the winner.

But really, I think the main problem is that the news media has been completely unable to handle election day for awhile. They want the results and they want the results now and they want to call things immediately for one side or another so they can be “the first ones reporting”. Which of course affects whether or not later voters even think its worth it. Well, we already lost based on the projection of the 1% who voted already, so why bother going to the polls?

See also the primary season where even the options left after the first 3 states (none of whom are really representative of the entire nation) are heavily curtailed for everyone else. Often to the point where a good 20-40 states don’t really have a choice, because everyone else already dropped out.

It’s why the whole “election week” or early voting initiatives were an even better idea than they seemed, because it allowed people to participate before the media had shot their wad going “it’s election day, I can’t wait to call everything in the first 1%”

And yeah, long rambly tangent to basically say, that I wouldn’t doubt if a good chunk of the “we don’t really want to cover a recount” energy on the media to call the election early was the fact that “election day” was over and they wanted to move on to horse race analyzing stories on how X party would interact with Y house control and they couldn’t do that while president was still up in the air and they couldn’t really milk shots of screaming crowds and “electrifying energy” for “patiently waiting for a recount”.

And since actual stories ensuring the process was fair and uncovering the naked theft of the election were simply right out as journalism that would make their owners uncomfortable, we got the fix in for Bush and the tsking fingers from the media that everyone wasn’t following their lead.

After 2008, the Left enjoyed crowing that “elections have consequences.” Consequences for thee, maybe, but not for me.

We’ve already covered this. It was the left ripping on a famous 2004 Republican statement, also, you’re a moron.

In Wisconsin, there’s a sign of the shape of things to come in their utter refusal to accept the results of the 2010 election that saw the Badger State swept by the GOP.

Yeah, there sure has been a sign of “things to come” in the regular GOP flaks completely ignoring the incredibly strong showing for Democrats and liberal initiatives and the poor showing of conservative initiatives even in conservative strongholds in an off-off-year election (i.e. the elections that tend to swing ultra-conservative what with only old retirees bothering to vote in them and all).

Oh wait, you were ranting about how the liberals are “ignoring” the non-existant or one or two areas where things almost went conservatives way and instead fixating on the dramatic sweep in every state. Ah, projection, our good friend, thank you for presenting today’s early example of IT’S ALWAYS PROJECTION!

My New York Post column today takes a look at this troubling situation:

Yes, if I wrote for the National Review, I’d feel the need to brag about writing for fishwrap too.

Well-heeled public-employee unions and die-hard Democrats are pressing their bid to undo Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker’s pro-taxpayer reforms, part of a conflict playing out in “blue” states across America.

Yeah, mean old Democrats trying to “undo” the illegal actions of Scott Walker to sell the state off, unilaterally declare unions illegal and otherwise try and prevent people from voting. Indeed a “conflict” playing out across the (light) “blue” states of the Rust Belt. Almost like they were being specifically targeted and punished for going blue for the 2008 election or something.

When we left off, we were in his NYPost mangos inside his original mangos. It’s the inception of mangos, people!

Passed this year, Walker’s “budget-repair law” helped close a $3.1 billion shortfall, in part by restricting collective-bargaining privileges for government-worker unions and forcing them to chip in for their generous retirement and health-care benefits.

Ah, yes, the bill that “closed a shortfall” by actually dramatically increasing the deficit and separating the “close a shortfall” part from the union-busting part just to kick in how little it was related before completely disregarding a court order not to pass the bill and doing so unilaterally even though it was likely a massive illegal and unconstitutional action that will probably cost the state millions in court fees.

But again, thank you for euphemism theatre. At the risk of Godwinning myself, this is someone who’d describe Aushwitz as an “experimental pottery session” and a “bold solution to the work camp problem” that produced “glorious leaps forward in shower design” that was sadly being protested by mewling malcontents who really were the enemy in this whole affair.

Enraged at this loss of privilege, labor and its allies have gone for a series of rollback tactics, including sending hordes of union goons to besiege the state capitol during the debate over the law’s passage, getting friendly judges to temporarily invalidate it and targeting six GOP state senators for recalls — an effort that fell one Senate seat short of returning Democrats to the majority.

Now they’re after the Big Enchilada — Walker himself.

Yes, shock of shocks, unions were a little bit cross about unions being outlawed and union contracts being unilaterally torn up, much less the direct attacks on the characters of well-behaved middle class groups such as school teachers.

It’s almost like if you directly target one segment of the population and try and ruin their lives, they get angry and if you ignore state laws and court orders in order to sell off the state to your Koch master after selling yourself as a “friend of the union” then the people might decide “yeah, we can’t wait the full 6 years to get rid of this clown” and follow the legal process to correct that mistake.

And yeah, already mentioned that recall elections were their baby for abusing it to shift elections to convenient times. Whining about people using it as intended, to get rid of insane men who ignore court orders and shit on the many because “hey, they’re protected for another 5 years from an election” just comes off as sad.

Also, love how the wingnuts are trying to pretend that the recalls falling one short of the number of state senators needed to flip the senate is some grand victory for them. They lost a good chunk of seats, put themselves in a precarious position and lost members who weren’t “directly” responsible for the mess who won reasonably conservative districts in more attended general elections reasonably soon ago in massively-conservative leaning special elections in an off-off year.

Actually sane people who are still able to cotton on to reality would be shitting their pants at nearly losing the state senate and likely looking at a lost governorship and definitely a heavily motivated liberal voting block and a possible drift into strong blue for the Rust Belt just for that final likely to be overturned shot at the “traitors” who dared vote for Obama.

This is not a good sign for conservatives.

Which means everyone needs to write as much as they can saying the massive losses for conservatives are bad news for liberals.

Let’s dive back for MOAR MANGOS. Now that we’ve returned to today’s article, what else does he have for us to try and project the massive 09 losses onto liberals and their stupid faces?

Like the Islamists, the Taliban wing of the Democratic party seems to subscribe to the faux-democratic motto of “one man, one vote, one time.”

What?

Like the Islamists, the Taliban wing of the Democratic party seems to subscribe to the faux-democratic motto of “one man, one vote, one time.”

I can’t have heard that correctly. Maybe one more time.

Like the Islamists-

Oh never mind, yeah, of course, I heard it right the first time.

I mean, this is the natural evolution of things. This is the same group that’s been against democracy from the beginning. The ones who held America hostage by demanding that the census count their property as people so they could rig the House in their favor and have their votes count more. The ones who invented Jim Crow laws, prisoners “lose their privilege to vote” horseshit. The ones who protested extending the vote to the poor, women, blacks, 18 year olds. The ones who have continued to this day trying to disenfranchise everyone they think won’t agree with them in order to continue to make their vote “worth more” than its fair share.

But it still takes you aback to hear it so shamelessly admitted.

Yeah, those liberals and their Islamist “Taliban” ways thinking that people have the right to vote and that it should be “one man, one vote”. Why what freedom-hating, democracy-hating, sonuvabitch would ever subscribe to that basic principle of the whole democratic process.

Also, since I had to take a break to google exactly what conspiracy birthed this horseshit (apparently its based on some US diplomat freaking out that Arabic people might elect a government that was not conducive to Western interests and that would inherently be fascism, because you know, not Western), I’m also left wondering at what point does he think that “elections would be ceased”, what with the call for a new election at all.

I know, projection, projection, projection, seeing as how the Right has pretty much been openly trying to elect the American version of Hitler and cheer their leaders open disregard for the rule of law, but still…

I don’t know. It’s just so much stupid in one sentence that this entire section is just an ode to it’s stupidity.

Liberals following democratic processes to uphold democracy against someone acting like an authoritarian psychotic and call for additional elections is an Islamist plot against democracy.

Their other role model, of course, is the late Leonid Brezhnev and his now-buried Brezhnev Doctrine, which stated that once a country had embraced Communism, it could never go back.

They’re commies! Wait, those aren’t big enough boogeymen anymore. Ummm, ISLAMIC COMMIES! Who want to destroy democracy! With more democracy and following democratic principles. Um, don’t think about it! Just remember that they are bad Islamic commie Hitlers, Clone Hitlers with supervillain powers and special Islamic radiation that’ll make your gun collection sterile and fire blanks instead of freedom bombs!

And that following proper democratic pathways and addressing direct grievances legally and fairly and winning key victories in a sustained and popular campaign against what was always a suicide bomber legislative attack (designed to make everyone involved massively unpopular but hopefully disrupting fundraising and electioneering for democrats in 2012) is just cowardly and unamerican and a sure sign that liberals are poor losers that don’t know when to quit.

But yeah, I’m still reeling from the open hatred that conservatives have been left to spew about democracy. They’ve never really supported it, but they used to couch it in talk about “fairness” and try and hide it in the shadows. Now, they’re openly spitting about the very concept of elections and democracy and why can’t they just take over and rip off the facade.

On the one hand, it reveals them as the authoritarians that they are and shows their utter fear at their impending massive losses and relegation to the Whig bin of history. On the other, it shows that they’re willing to go full Fascism if they think it will stop the Demographic Timer.

But the unions simply can’t accept any rollback in what they regard as collective-bargaining “rights” over pensions and benefits — even when such “rights” are the exception, not the rule. (Federal employees don’t have them.) President Obama called Walker’s reform “an assault on unions,” and one local pol trotted out the usual Hitler comparison.

Fuck you.

Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. You sanctimonious libertarian prick. Yeah, cackle over targeting union pensions, because the gullible rubes who followed the “free market” fail train that was the Private sector is better than public sector bullshit found out that 401K was short for “we put your money on the casino floor and shock of shocks, the house won”. Nope, we can’t fix that! Instead let’s get mad at the people who decided to make less money and give back to their country in exchange for guaranteed benefits and strong unions for picking the correct option.

And hey, while we’re attacking the few remaining sectors where the middle class retained some of their money, let’s also target Social Security and Medicare for elimination, sorry, I mean “reform” so we can steal that money too.

They really won’t be happy until the old simply die the moment they are unable to work any longer.

Actually, never mind, with the attacks on teachers and the contempt for things like “pensions” or “gold plated benefits” and the attacks on the remaining sectors of the safety net so they can be turned into suction tubes for the rich, they really won’t be happy until they have all the money and they have to resort to trading the rest of us as slaves just so they still retain something with some actual meaningful value.

But let us continue:

It was clear from the start of this fight that the “progressives” wanted to make Wisconsin an object lesson for others.

Jesus fucking Christ, that projection is so bright, I’m going to have to point it up so we can use the fucking moon as the screen.

Yes, “progressives” wanted to make Wisconsin a “lesson for others” what with entirely reacting to the direct assault of the conservatives trying to make Wisconsin an object lesson for others. How dare they respond and thus make the conservative object lesson a lesson in sustained political protest against corruption.

That’s Unconstitutional!

Unions and Democrats have poured money and manpower into the state, waging a scorched-earth campaign of demonization against the governor.

He didn’t need demonization, he’s a fucking Bond villain already. When you have him whining that the protestors “dirtied your doorknob with their filthy hands” and otherwise treating the middle class and trod upon workers of your RUST BELT state like shit, you don’t need a demonization campaign to look evil. And conservatives really don’t get that every time they do this shit they are actually demonizing themselves. Us noticing it isn’t a “demonization campaign” and given that attack ads and demonization campaigns are all they’ve got on their side, I’ll add this to the IT’S ALWAYS PROJECTION! pile as well.

Also, shock of shocks, unions targeted for elimination as testing ground for multiple states wanting to eliminate unions around the country pouring money into a campaign against the man who jammed it through congress illegally.

Why next you’ll tell me that black groups give heavily to campaigns to oust racist fuckers who say that black districts should be paved into the ground.

Obviously, this is more signs of Anti-Democratic perfidy. Why, my monocle has popped right off in disgust at this vulgar display by the uncivilized rabble, what with their beliefs that they live in a Democracy.

Speaking of unions, I’ve been a member of the SEIU since in-home caregivers were organized, and have always paid extra to support their lobbying efforts. Recently I decided to look into getting health insurance through them (it would be more convenient than going to Portland so often), and signed up for dental insurance, then looked at a list of the other bennies I get for being a union member.

Also, shock of shocks, unions targeted for elimination as testing ground for multiple states wanting to eliminate unions around the country pouring money into a campaign against the man who jammed it through congress illegally.

CLASS WARFARE!

Why next you’ll tell me that black groups give heavily to campaigns to oust racist fuckers who say that black districts should be paved into the ground.

STOP PLAYING THE RACE CARD! YOU’RE THE REAL RACIST! I HAVE BLACK FRIENDS! WELL, ONE BLACK FRIEND! WELL, ONE GUY WHO ONCE LISTENED TO A HIP HOP SONG! REVERSE RACISM!

Obviously, this is more signs of Anti-Democratic perfidy. Why, my monocle has popped right off in disgust at this vulgar display by the uncivilized rabble, what with their beliefs that they live in a Democracy.

THIS IS A REPUBLIC, NOT A DEMOCRACY! OBVIOUSLY THE REPUBLICANS ALWAYS WIN, YOU COMMIE-FASCIST-ISLAMIST-BREZHNEV-CLONE!

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I’m kinda worried how easy that came to me. I’m going back to my Doctor Who Radio Play and hoping that the feeling will pass.

Far from being “progressives” — a term that’s roughly a century old — much of the mossbacked Left is now more conservative than the conservatives, always and everywhere against rollbacks and change, bitterly clinging to their shopworn thirties socialism and their moth-eaten sixties Marxism. They’d be pathetic if they weren’t so persistent, and funny if they weren’t still so dangerous. Next November’s going to be a heck of a ride.

Projection, projection, projection.

Fuck the whole thing could be summarized as follows:

Projection, massive projection. Commies, Islamist commies. Um, Democracy is under attack by democracy, we must end democracy immediately!

And all of that spells one thing louder than his cognitive dissonance can keep up.

Conservatives smell the blood in the water.

They know they fucked up bad. They actually thought their dramatic last stand with the Teabagger media fluff tour and the governors going around openly stomping on democracy and basic rights wherever they could and congress openly stonewall was a success.

That it sent the message loud and clear that the Republican permanent minority wouldn’t be swayed and controlled things and there was nothing the 73% could do about it. That they had stopped the Demographic Timer and the seething cauldron of rage from the many many people fucked over by the greedy and self-serving policies.

And they really weren’t prepared for it being what it was, a suicide attempt to try and openly disenfranchise people, attack the sources of funding, registration, and voting that aid the Democratic Party and openly punish groups for voting more liberal.

That the reaction to being directly targeted, for having the remaining safety net targeted as we try and pretend that we aren’t in a Second Great Depression, would be anger.

That even more people would turn on conservatives and even loyal rubes eager to blame the poor, the non-white, the female for everything and anything, to believe that tax-cuts fix everything, that even those people would be turned off and become more and more receptive to liberal messages. That people would become more impassioned to vote and vote against them and even more agitated to march and be heard.

That the scream in the night was a death rattle and now they are just taunting the monster in the cage as the bars creak and bend.

I said 2009 earlier where I meant 2011 and yeah, 2011 was not a good year for them. It was an off-off-year election which should have meant nothing but good for conservatives, and it was a massacre. Given that 2012 should see an even bigger liberal presence in the voting booth, that suggests voting numbers that will become even harder to cheat and steal on even with the most naked of attempts and it’s only so long that those attempts and the other attempts to subvert and make impossible peaceful redressing of grievances, before they get the breakdown of democracy and not in the neat little controlled fascism way they want it, but in the nasty brutish revenge spree of the French or Russian Revolutions.

I think they can see it and are wondering if the long ride they’ve taken on the backs of an owned media, owned congress, stolen elections, open disenfranchisement and undemocratic activities, Evangelical tie-ins, and so on is finally over and now they need to face the music of a massive liberal rennaisance, one that might see the modern Republican Party reduced to impotent numbers.

And they are terrified.

So they throw projection, they curse democracy and try and dismantle it, and call us every name in the book. They beat and arrest us in the street for believing that we have constitutional rights in anything but name only and try and push their bought organs to taunt us further and declare victory.

Because they need to believe that it’ll all be all right for them and their paymasters need to hear that it’s all right and the people are still falling for the old lies.

Because the truth is far too frightening for them.

And all I can say, is good riddance, fucknozzles.

What? I’m like a quadrillion level victim of their horse-shit. And what they’ll “suffer” is having us make their lives better and less-shitty and they’ll probably claim credit for it after the fact.

I’m actually shockingly pleased at the number of commentators just ripping him apart for basically whining that democracy is undemocratic.

Sure, there’s the regular spate of people ranting about OWS and unions and liberals in general.

And all of those comments are pretty much like the original posts, i.e. they are ranting about how liberals will lose, will always lose and their actions are meaningless and will affect no one because the person most in need of convincing is themselves and as long as they keep repeating an alternate history, then maybe it will become true and erase the bad current one where this is really modern conservatives last stand for however long it lasts.

The one infuriating batch of comments are the ones repeating the latest meme (pretending to care about rape as regards to the OWS protests and claiming it makes them usless what with all the “thugs” in attendance, hint hint). It’s infuriating because it is so obviously in bad faith it insults our intelligence. These are not people who care about rape and these are often the same people who are simultaneously defending Sandusky and Cain and arguing that harassment isn’t real and if it was they would support it.

Yeah, guys, OWS is not free from the greater Rape Culture and is no less free from assault of women or the other problems that plague society at large (problems that are exponentially worse in similar more conservative locations as rape statistic patterns prove). It’s a bad problem and it needs to be addressed and that’s why the OWS movement is encouraging people to speak up and trying to resolve it internally even though it knows that the people seeking ANYTHING to dismiss them were going to jump disingenuously on this like they have.

It’s part of being liberal where you try and deal with actual reality rather than believing whatever is convenient to shit on your enemies and pretend your problems away.

There’s also lots of projection, including this mango:

Only elections of Democrats are legitimate and have consequences. Republicans can only get elected by lying to stupid people using money from millionaires, billionaires and evil corporations. An election procured by fraud and stupidity shouldn’t have consequences.

And lots of repeating of old long debunked memes like “protestors trashed the Capitol Building” (you know, when they actually cleaned it up a little and photographed the evidence of it to show how Walker was full of it in his over-the-top hysteria that “the people have found him” and were “touching his doorknobs with their filthy greedy hands”).

On a separate note, why is it that conservatives seem to think that free speech is only a right as long as people are “clean” and “upstanding” (and no, there’s no racial dog-whistle there what with ultra-white Tea Party groups that leave trash everywhere and bringing loaded firearms being labeled “clean” and “upstanding” whereas groups of poor people that are more racially diverse are inherently “filthy” and “rude” no matter how civil or clean they actually are. No, it’s not at all just a euphemism for “contains black people”)?

Guys, it’s a full right, “not to be abridged”. It’s not a privilege. It’s not, you’re allowed to speak and assemble as long as you are nice and clean and present yourself well. The right is meant to be something that isn’t taken away if you are angered or impassioned or leave litter in your path.

And it just looks sad when you keep on thinking that it does. Yes, there’s a difference when it comes to vandalism of private property, but that’s not what’s been going on and you haven’t been able to prove otherwise.

Also…

Speaking of vandalism of private property, what about the assaults on cameras filming the assaults on people, not to mention the raids on private property including personal possessions in the big “clean-ups” of the OWS occupation sites.

Hey, look actual vandalism, actual restriction of free speech.

No, there is no “unless they are filthy hippies” clause. Yes, I’m sure. Also the second amendment is the right to have a national guard, you fucking idiots.

They really don’t understand that the more peaceful venues for protest they turn off, the more they justify violence, do they?

We’re seeing open disregard for rights in our police as they openly do the bidding of rich men offering puny little amounts to buy off the police as their personal stormtroopers. We’re seeing a press openly antagonistic and blind to reality on behalf of their paymasters. A congress worrying about made up debt crisis horseshit and wondering if they can get away with gutting the remaining safety net. And so much disenfranchisement and openly illegal vote-suppression tactics that it’s starting to look like Jim Crow era South all across the country. And that’s before the rich and their paymasters have shown their open disregard for the law and the naked belief that they are above the law and untouchable what with owning the entire system and making it dance for their amusement.

They don’t realize that if they win this game, that if we throw up our hands and go “you’re right, we have no means of peacefully resolving our issues and you are above the rule of law” that that means we only have the wholesale slaughter of the upper class and their lackeys as our only response, do they?

Oh, who am I kidding. Of course not and they will up the taunting, horseshit and police brutality thinking it will solve everything.

It’s what they did in the 30s and the 60s and for most of the Gilded Age and if they didn’t learn the lessons then, then they certainly won’t now.

I’ll admit, part of me almost wants everyone to get pushed to the point of killing the rich in the streets. A few dead bodies may delay direct resolution but has the longest long-term effect. See how hesitant French aristocrats are about fucking their poor population in comparison to us or the UK.

Figured Tuesday evening would be chaotic once we got home, but went quite smoothly: pull into driveway, neighbor with clipboard FOLLOWS CAR INTO GARAGE, we sign petition (#2 ‘n 3 on list behind clipboard-holding neighbor), thanks all around, and she gives us a “We signed the recall petition” sign to hang on the front door. No muss, no fuss. Elapsed time, about six seconds. Fuckin’ democracy, how does it work?
Then unfortunately, there’s a goddamn RON JOHNSON robocall on the machine, telling us not to be such DFH’s. Had to buy a new machine.

Bingo. Unless it reaches levels unheard of since the civil war, violence won’t change the US. It’s hard to ‘out-violence’ police SWAT teams, private armies (Xe for one), the national guard and the regular armed forces. I quote Jay Gould’s approach to popular unrest :”I can hire one-half of the working class to kill the other half”

Paul:
The furry ‘gentleman’ in question went by the nom de pelt of ‘Cigarskunk’. I recall there was a lengthy and informative article on him in the encyclopedia dramatica. I would provide more info, but I am at work and there is only so much digging around in the grease traps of the internet that our web filter will allow. That should be enough to get you started.

At least 35,000, and perhaps as many as fifty thousand (it was night, so no chopper shots) marched across first one bridge, then a second as the cops needed to clear lower Manhattan as quickly as possible.

(side note: just as we ask people not to judge OWS based on a few bad apples, we should also note that 95% of the cops are with OWS’ in spirit, and are working with protestors, not against them)

Minor scuffles broke out, mostly started with accidental (possibly on purpose) bumpings and pushings, but there was music and a light show, and dancing.

Like Occupy London, the encampment sits in teh shadow of the city’s Anglican/CoE cathedral but unliek teh Church of England, the Anglican Church of Canada is not antagonistic towards the movement. Unfortunately, ownership of teh park is split between St. James Cathedral and teh city, and St. James’ support of teh movement does not extend to opposing teh city’s administration. Teh Dean of St. James has stated that they will abide by whatever teh civil authorities decide.

It’s kinda weird that teh Church has given up on teh concept of Sanctuary. At least here in LEAFS SUCK, they’ve just resigned themselves to irrelevancy as opposed to being actively opposed liek they are in London. I’m not really torn about this – sure I’m supportive of Occupy and think the encampments should be protected from getting evicted, BUT it should be on civil grounds. I’m not allupons about teh Church riding in to rescue a widespread grassroots political protest. IMHO? Occupy > Teh Church. At least at teh moment. Also not keen on teh idea that religious institutions should have automatic veto over civil authority. That if any Church aims to thwart the will of teh democratically elected gubmints of teh day, that teh public doesn’t just shrug it off as no biggie since OMG HOLY GROUND!

Also too, next week will mark a full month that teh Leafs will be without teh Reime-Minster of Defense, who is out with a non-official concussion and has no return date even in teh rumor mill. We started teh season 7-2-1 and since then have gone 3-5-1. Teh Leafs Nation bandwagon is specially equipped with easy access platforms for jumping on and off at a moments notice, and teh exodus continues as usual. Teh only silver lining is that this marks teh second year in a row that our playoff hopes weren’t dashed until November.

Right now, I am one of two people present in a nominally 5 person department. After lunch, I will be flying solo. As I am not actually flying, I doubt the FAA would be interested. I think sobriety is contraindicated.

…They don’t realize that if they win this game, that if we throw up our hands and go “you’re right, we have no means of peacefully resolving our issues and you are above the rule of law” that that means we only have the wholesale slaughter of the upper class and their lackeys as our only response, do they?…

Wait, that’s not right, there are other options. We can encourage our masters to reinstitute outright slavery. (Hmmmm, I guess I always assumed that when wingers argue that slavery was good for the slaves, they were fighting a historical argument. I guess I ought to reconsider their motivations for bring it up.) Or, we can all agree to have Lifeclock crystals implant, at our own cost, of course, the palm of our hand to radically reduce our use of precious resources after we turn 30. I’m sure there are other options.

There are several interesting things in the NYT story about cops infiltrating churches that are offering support to OWS. (Well, interesting things beyond the fact that NYPD intelligence officers are just like all the rest of us NYers–when nature calls, we don’t head for Starbucks, we just head to the nearest church basement. WTF? That’s their “cover”?)

This seems wrong because….it’s happening in churches and synagogues? Um, I guess they don’t bother with mosques because half the congregation is undercover NYPD intelligence officers.

This is the first time, as far as I can tell, that the NYT, or any other national media, has mentioned a significant feature of the OWS protests–many mainstream NY churches are deeply involved in OWS. That seems to me like big news but, nah, apparently not half as important as, oh, the drum circle. Bishop Sisk, for example, makes the Guardian and Al Jazeera but not the NYT. He’s one of the top couple religious leaders in NY and he’s as DFH as it gets: http://www.dioceseny.org/news_items/212-bp-sisk-writes-on-ows-and-capitalism.

…They don’t realize that if they win this game, that if we throw up our hands and go “you’re right, we have no means of peacefully resolving our issues and you are above the rule of law” that that means we only have the wholesale slaughter of the upper class and their lackeys as our only response, do they?…

We ought to be careful. As we so often point out to gun nuts who infest the blog, we’d be going up against what are essentially para-military forces.

Now, we’ve seen in the past ten years that there are ways to fight such overwhelming armament, true, and yes, we’d be more focused on the collateral damage to people who will be cowering in their gated communities, but still, we have to each of us think this thru carefully.

You must be unfamiliar with Leafs Nation. We are planning on giving up hope for teh post-season at least once a month until February or March, when it becomes mathematically impossible for them to end teh playoff drought.

This is the first time, as far as I can tell, that the NYT, or any other national media, has mentioned a significant feature of the OWS protests–many mainstream NY churches are deeply involved in OWS. That seems to me like big news but, nah, apparently not half as important as, oh, the drum circle.

I think it was ballsy of the clergy to insist on being the 99 arrested on the bridge yesterday.

DFH Bishop Sisk: “…there should be no question that when an economic system fails to reflect those communal values, it should be modified and governed until it does. To say, as some do, that any attempt to control or guide our economic system is neither wise nor possible is to admit that an economic system has decisive control of our lives. For a Christian, such an admission would be nothing less than to yield to idolatry…”

Holy crap. Kessel hasn’t missed a game thus far this season! It’s a frickin’ miracle! Geez, I stopped watching after they started starting Goose in net and I missed out on our franchise skater playing liek a franchise skater.

Anywho, as much as it takes only teh smallest of things to toggle a Leafs fan from hopeful to dejected, Phil’s non-disappointing season thus far ain’t enough.

“As the OWS protestors point out, wealth in our country is increasingly concentrated in the hands of a few, the real income of the broad middle class has not increased in more than a generation, and the ranks of the poorest among us each year become ever more solidified. These are the facts—and the reality behind them is, quite simply, morally wrong. Ultimately, left unchecked, that reality is deeply dangerous. It is at odds with our vision of ourselves, and as Americans we ignore it at the peril of our most cherished national ideals. As Christians, we ignore it at the peril of our souls.”

If the clergy keeps doing this, I’m going to have to take time off from OSW and go to church. And I guess if Jesus comes back as the pissed-off dude who threw the money lenders out of the temple, I might have to take communion or vote for him or oil his feet or something along those lines. WTF is Jesus General going to do if pissed-off re-Jesus shows up at OWS?

If the clergy keeps doing this, I’m going to have to take time off from OSW and go to church. And I guess if Jesus comes back as the pissed-off dude who threw the money lenders out of the temple, I might have to take communion or vote for him or oil his feet or something along those lines. WTF is Jesus General going to do if pissed-off re-Jesus shows up at OWS?

A month or so ago, I went to church and heard a sermon by a priest talking about the importance of social justice, helping the poor, health care, and not forgetting all of these duties. I was like “a Catholic priest who’s read the Church’s position on more than just abortion and gay marriage? Where the hell have they been hiding this guy? He speaks my language.”

Sadly, those churches stopped attracting people, who needed to feel superior about themselves.

Not this time. It was a young adults’ mass, which is by far the one that brings in the most people to that church – along with the Spanish-language mass in the morning. Neither of these guys are getting scared off by a social justice message.

side note: just as we ask people not to judge OWS based on a few bad apples, we should also note that 95% of the cops are with OWS’ in spirit, and are working with protestors, not against them

I will agree to that just as soon as they start testifying in police brutality cases. Even if it’s all but 1 cop that are not psychopathic assholes with a need to kick teh shit out of protestors for no reason at all.

Until teh police recognize who teh fucking criminals are in those cases and that their profession is to uphold teh law – then teh few bad apples have spoiled teh whole damn bunch. Until upholding Teh Blue Line of Silence is not widespread and accepted police culture, I am totes okay with tarring them all with teh same brush.

My favorite part is the way that Michael Walsh quotes his own column at length, then comments on it. As I pointed out today on this blog:

Does he think that this creates the illusion that two people hold his views? Or that his writing is worthy of serious analysis?

That’s a great point, and one that is not made frequently enough. Let’s read more.

Maybe he could write his own book reviews as well.

Hah! Sarcasm. But seriously, I agree with that. Not only is Michael Walsh a tool, but pedestrian writes a scathing take-down. I just write commentary, but that other writing I did today is text. Block-quote-worthy, yo.

“It sounds to me that y’all ought to be joining us,” said Jerry Rains, a 64-year-old computer programmer and Tea Party member. “You have a lot of the same goals we have, which is to take our country back.”

Well yeah, except since you want to take “your” country “back” from people like us in the first place, there’s not really much room for common ground there.

Well yeah, except since you want to take “your” country “back” from people like us in the first place

I think a distinction has to be made between the rank and file like Rains, and the people who are in the know. I have plenty of…I’ll call them this loosely…”friends” who are attracted to the Teabaggers but hate OWS, but also are in favor of whole milk and homeopathy and feel the government is infringing on their rights.

I get a little nuts about them, but I try to explain calmly that OWS is on THEIR side, trying to get things like Big Food and Big Pharma out of the gubmint so people can make informed decisions.

From the annals of shit that never gets old, this. (the shit that never gets old is what kind of person could ever answer yes to such a question, but still half of Americans surveyed did)

Lesson 1. Jingoistic douchebags have a specific target audience in mind – the not-well-educated.
Lesson 2. The French are much less nationalistic dickwads than you think. (Though from personal experience, you’d be forgiven for thinking otherwise if you’d only visited Paris)
Lesson 3. ASW’s wingnut commentators are ignorant pricks.

I know someone else has said it, but I love the Cerebus rants, particularly when he is scoring with every shot at goal like today, sir, you make me feel smarter just reading your stuff!

My favorite Cerebus Mango from today;

I’ll admit, part of me almost wants everyone to get pushed to the point of killing the rich in the streets. A few dead bodies may delay direct resolution but has the longest long-term effect. See how hesitant French aristocrats are about fucking their poor population in comparison to us or the UK.

I’m kind of the same, although its not really the rich I want to see, more their lackeys and running dogs in the media, lobbiests, wingnut bloggers, etc. There is (should be) a price for the lies they spread, and the damage they have done….

You must be unfamiliar with Leafs Nation. We are planning on giving up hope for teh post-season at least once a month until February or March, when it becomes mathematically impossible for them to end teh playoff drought.

No-one informed me of this when as part of my integration into Canadian culture via my in-laws. I had a choice as well (Habs, Sens or Leafs), and chose the Leafs ’cause they had the best tops (jerseys). Little did I know that I was volunteering for year on year of February disappointment and a slagging from every other Canuck I have met since. Even wearing my Leafs top in downtown Glasgow last winter, some guy leaned out his car screaming ‘Leafs Suck’ to me.

The comment section full of exploding heads grasping at straws of exceptionalism is for extra lulz.

American exceptionalism is based on simple premise. One can immigrate to another country and obtain citizenship but you will never be Greek, German, Chinese, etc. Come to the US and you become an American. That is American exceptionalism.

That’s great except:

A) Tell that to the Chinese-Americans, Chican@s, etc who still get treated like a foreigners even if their families have been here for more than a century, and

B) That’s exactly what the French say (or used to say) to prove that THEY were exceptional.

Or rather, the universality of French ideas is proof that racism doesn’t exist in France, that Muslim women need not wear hijab, that the pieds-noirs belong in Algeria, and that the 21st century will see 350 million Frenchmen from Guyana to the Congo to Indochina.

It’s a known fact that the universe is both expanding & accelerating, but the agency for this very counterintuitive loogie in entropy’s eye has yet to be conclusively identified … I just wonder if the whole entire crazy situation isn’t …

The difference being, of course, that Obama and his Congress (I assume that’s what he means when he says “the Left”) were perfectly up front about their intentions during the elections – Chris

Except, of course, that they were not upfront. Obama ran on a campaign of replacing the ideological extremism of the Bush administration and the damaged political discourse of those years with a pragmatic emphasis on good government and getting stuff done.

Unfortunately, Obama as President has displayed an ideologically extreme commitment to deal-making and has reenforced the discourse of false moderation at every chance.

Not many Americans are politically sophisticated enough to understand exactly what Obama and the Democrats have done and rather continue to pigeonhole whatever that less than light skinned Democrat with the funny name as being the very definition of liberalism. But most Americans do know when they have been suckered in by a big bait and switch.

The problem is that Americans who assume Obama to be a liberal and do realize that Obama and friends have pulled a fast one on them, go on to believe that Obama has a secret agenda of being a super-duper socialist. In short, if Obama wonders why people believe the worst about his “agenda”, maybe it would help if he would actually spell out that agenda rather than spending all his speachifying talking about how he’ll compromise and letting people just guess what his actual agenda might be. I hear Obama can make a good speech …

My opinion regarding eliminationism. It’s counterproductive. It’s fatal, not just to the eliminated, but to the cause that espouses it. We will never march into fields of sunlight by wading through rivers of blood. The reactionaries, the willfully ignorant, the greedy, the stupid, the venal, the shortsighted, the Methodists, and the just plain evil aren’t going anywhere. How do we know we are the good guys? is it our goals? Not really. when you think about it, the goals of libertarian utopia aren’t terrible. It really would be nice to live in a tax free paradise where no one tells you what to do. If, of course you ignore the fact that a tax free country would look a lot like Somalia where heavily armed nutjobs are living the dream at the expense of public safety, education, infrastructure, public health, and all of the other benefits of civilized society that no one has ever figured out how to provide without taxes. The relentless and immoral way the right pursues their goals is the real tell that they are not on the side of the angels. Everything from voter suppression, to their stance on immigration, they violence they perpetrate and the violence they merely encourage tell us they are uninterested in Democracy, justice and equal rights for all Americans.
We cannot adopt these same tactics to fight them. We cannot afford to have someone dismiss our goals because of our means. We cannot build a just society with blood on our hands. We will not be able to convince anyone we are on the side of justice while we are standing on top of our murdered enemies. We will have to find a way to include the stubborn, the greedy, and the contrary in our new world. When we win by playing fair, we win more than just that once struggle. We get not only the gain of one more right for all Americans. We get closer to the ideal of what our country can be. The benefits of living in the America and world we want to build have to be obvious to the most short sighted of our fellow citizens. We have to offer a choice for our opposition that looks better than what they sacrifice in exchange for it.
We are facing challenges that boggle the mind. Global climate change, peak oil, feeding, educating, and employing 7 billion people well enough that no one starts another resource war, are just 3 of the issues we will need brains and labor of the entire human population of planet earth to overcome.

While teh US may be split on “our cultural is superior” question, Germany and Spain are as well, although to a lesser degree. Of the five polled nations, the US’ lead in belief in cultural superiority is slight. The big difference is in religiosity. The same number of folks see themselves as Christians first and Americans second as the other way around. National identity over religious identity wins out at least 2.5:1 in all of the other countries.

And this anomaly can be further refined. Even within the US, it’s one specific slice of the demographic that’s wonky. Any guesses? Lemme blockquote teh study:

Among Christians in the U.S., white evangelicals are especially inclined to identify first with their faith; 70% in this group see themselves first as Christians rather than as Americans, while 22% say they are primarily American. Among other American Christians, more identify with their nationality (55%) than with their religion (38%).

We are facing challenges that boggle the mind. Global climate change, peak oil, feeding, educating, and employing 7 billion people well enough that no one starts another resource war, are just 3 of the issues we will need brains and labor of the entire human population of planet earth to overcome.

I’ll admit, part of me almost wants everyone to get pushed to the point of killing the rich in the streets. A few dead bodies may delay direct resolution but has the longest long-term effect. See how hesitant French aristocrats are about fucking their poor population in comparison to us or the UK.

I’m kind of the same, although its not really the rich I want to see, more their lackeys and running dogs in the media, lobbiests, wingnut bloggers, etc. There is (should be) a price for the lies they spread, and the damage they have done….

When I was accused of hating the W I often replied that I did not hate him, he couldn’t help being an ingnernt jackass cowboy neurotic, that’s just who he is. The people that support him, that rally for him, that proclaim his greatness on the other hand, I really do hate. People like you, that is.

Anyways, that thing about wingnuts and Projection? Well there’s a data point for teh whole OoogaBooga Islamofascism thing. When conservative Christians tell you to shit your pants because of fundamentalist religious nutjobs bent on a global theocratic empire, one that isn’t afraid to:
-resort to targetting civilians in terrorist attacks,
-entagle their religious beliefs in the apparatus of the state,
-use apocalyptic Holy War imagery and identifying Enemies who are out to destroy us,
-force everyone to conform to a strict set of morality and behaviour as dictated by their religious tenets,

A) You gain about 50 years before you have to do it again. As any graph of world population over the last century will show you.

B) You poison the entire world. You can’t kill people fast enough with conventional weapons. People are being born faster than a conventionally armed army can pull the trigger. Which leaves you with the unholy trinity of N/B/C. Nuclear: poisons the land for generations, which leads you with the same problem of limited resources. Sure you killed the people over there, but you also made all of their resources poisonous. So you still have only your own resources to use. Chemical: same as nuclear. Biological: impossible to control. The same bio-terror hell weapon that kills your opponent dead, kills you too. All it takes is one infected guy on a passenger plane, one spill outside of biological containment or serious bad luck, and you just screwed yourself too.

Back when I was in SAC I saw the projected effects of a full-scale nuclear exchange. It’s worse than you even imagine.

I think I have a better idea than any random citizen off the street, but, clearly not as good as someone who lived this stuff for more than a decade. I was just illustrating that even if the other guy never gets to fire a single nuke in return, nuclear war is a loser. One full fledged megaton range bomb wrapped in cobalt can pretty much poison half a continent for thousands of years. I don’t know what our inventory of such toys is, but I am confident it is more than I am comfortable with. The same is true of the dirty bomb inventories of the UK, France, Russia, Ukraine, Pakistan, China, India, Israel, maybe North Korea and Iran. and I’m sure a few more that I am forgetting.
Even the cleanest nukes put the world back to the end of the 19th century, as the EMP of a blast will fry any unshielded integrated circuit it encounters. I’m going to stop now. I’ve probably given myself another night of nightmares already

Our researchers into Public Opinion are content
That he held the proper opinions for the time of year;
When there was peace, he was for peace: when there was war, he went.
He has murdered and removed five children from the population,
Which our Eugenist says was the right number for a parent of his
generation.

The question of how much would it take has occasionally come up amongst us macho heteros at poker games and sporting events, etc. And, yes, it seems that a cool million would do the trick. Yes, we are all whores.

Helmut : Don’t forget us down here. Back when the apartheid government and the Israelis were BFFs, they helped us to develop our very own Bomb. It’s still around here someplace or other. Another great legacy of the Good Old Days.

Helmut : Don’t forget us down here. Back when the apartheid government and the Israelis were BFFs, they helped us to develop our very own Bomb. It’s still around here someplace or other. Another great legacy of the Good Old Days.

How are you expected to control invading hordes of baboons without a deterrent?

He intervened in the arrest of a woman yesterday. Also, a judge who was down to observe and was wearing an official city-issued observer pass off her neck was arrested. She wasn’t saying anything except to one officer about how it might be a bad idea to arrest someone he was about to arrest, so the judge got arrested.

As I say, “Happy Feet Two” has been in the works for quite some time and the issue of whether America should bail out Greece hasn’t even really come up much yet. But consider this: the director, Miller, is himself, ethnically Greek. Both parents emigrated from Greece. His father’s name? Dimitri Castrisiosis Miliotis.

On the French and “rudeness”. I’ve known a few French people and one of my closest friends in grad school was a Parisian(!) who wanted to be a politician (!!). I’ve also been to Paris a few times both with the “with a local” tour and as a standard American tourist.

And yeah, no, the French are pretty relaxed. Not as preternaturally nice as Scandanavians, but definitely not actually rude. And most of all they were some of the nicest encounters I’ve ever had as a tourist. Certainly more welcoming and chill as a collective culture than say London.

Hell, one of my favorite vacation memories was an old trip to L’ Musee de L’Histoire de Paris where a guard gave me a private tour of his section despite not speaking much English because he was bored and was happy to see someone else excited about the museum. And that’s when I was just an American tourist.

I think I deduced that the reputation mostly comes from a combination of the persistent Francophobia we get from England (they smell, they are rude, they resist our invasions with 14 year old girls) and the fact that the only “French people” that most Americans see tend to be museum workers at the most busy museums like the Louvre and thus, they tend to be “rude” because they are overworked and are having orders barked at them all day by rude American tourists.

But yeah talk to people who aren’t the equivalent of retail workers on Black Friday and the French are actually very chill and relax, as you would expect from a culture that views stress as an important thing to avoid.

I think I deduced that the reputation mostly comes from a combination of the persistent Francophobia we get from England (they smell, they are rude, they resist our invasions with 14 year old girls) and the fact that the only “French people” that most Americans see tend to be museum workers at the most busy museums like the Louvre and thus, they tend to be “rude” because they are overworked and are having orders barked at them all day by rude American tourists.

Someone posited that the French government has a relocation plan that sees all the batardes shipped into Paris on a daily basis, just to keep tourists from discovering the rest of the country.

It’s weird. I was just thinking today “Why do women’s shows hate women?” cuz, seriously they’re the only thing out there that makes me feel apologetic about my gender. This will not improve my opinion of women-paneled talk shows.

Well, one of the best things about becoming a middle-aged female is the freedom it brings to those who have no intention of trying to botox and liposuction and plastic-surgery themselves in an attempt to appear 25 years younger. You stop giving a shit about the fashion magazines, fashion itself, etc. I can now look at women wearing those ridiculous platform pumps and destroying their feet in the process and have absolutely no desire to emulate them…and not ONLY because I’m too smart to fuck up my feet, but because I can critically assess “the look” and make a personal call that “the look” looks like total shit on most the women wearing it. Seriously, those motherfuckers look like Frankenstein boots on any woman 5’6″ or under, which is to say, the vast majority of women wearing them. So…they’re fucking up their feet in service of looking ridiculous. It truly is liberating to reach a point where you no longer give too much of a shit about how you look, which isn’t a liberty extended to women under the age of 40 by this culture – unless they step up and grab it, which just about everything urges them not to do.

Oh, I think I see now. Yeah…cheerleading. Definitely mixed feelings there. Although I think it was around the time I was one they started making them cheer for the girls’ teams, too, which I think is great.

Re: the migraine: I don’t have them so you have my sympathies…but I have in the past had some pretty horrific hormonal headaches, and what worked for me was lying down in a dark room and meditating to the effect that “I’m feeling no pain,” which worked surprisingly quickly. I have a friend who does get migraines and she tried this strategy, but to get it to work for her, her meditation mantra was “I have no head.” Strange, but true.

Sorry to interrupt the “What did you have for dinner” discussion 😉 but . . .
“He who shall not be Googled” just came out in favor of suffering. No, Really! Latest post at: http://www.balloon-juice.com/

I wandered over here to post the same thing. That’s near Reaganesque levels of old school California campus cop capers. That the students compelled the by-then-visibly-unnerved popo to leave afterwards was amazing.

Too bad most Americans won’t see that little episode. Where have you gone, uncle Walter, our nation turns its empty soul to you…

Also, of interest, though a lot of the juicy bits of the thread have been redacted, Eric went off an even deeper end recently. Fed up with some of the more liberal commenters at GP, he started advertising their personal information (some private) as some kind of threatening McCarthy-era scare tactic:

Wow. That’s entire thread is nothing but projection, projection, projection. Whenever I read comment threads at conservative sites I always wonder if I’m looking at some parallel universe where up is down and right is wrong. Well, right IS wrong…

This isn’t the first time I’ve come across this silliness. I’ve also seen the same applied to Victor Davis Hanson, and to Freeman Dyson. Why are they “dumb“? Because they have differing opinions on issues than liberals do, such as Hanson’s views on immigration and Dyson’s refusal to march lock-step with the sky-is-falling global warming crowd.

Note to the smug liberal crowd – Just because someone has differing views than you do, that doesn’t mean they are dumb! You simply have differing views on things. Period.

No, it’s not because you have “different opinions”, it’s because your opinions are stupid.

If someone believed that trees came from Batman fornicating a unicorn and continued to believe that and argue that his beliefs needed to trump actual agricultural knowledge and response to reality even when he was shown time-lapse videos of trees growing by natural processes, we’d think he was a dumbass and possibly insane.

And that’s if we didn’t laugh him out of the room at the beginning for the sheer stupidity of his statements.

If they didn’t want to be regarded as dumbasses they could start reacting to reality and forming their opinions from it, so we could debate things that are true with them. But the don’t. They want to argue about Batman fornicating unicorns while people starve and die.

I adored the Parisians. The waiter who had me pronounce oragensaft (sp?) correctly before he got my orange juice— free French lessons! Then there was the guy I stopped and asked “Louvre?” and then shrugged my shoulders and stuck my hands out like “what?” He put a hand on my shoulder, pointed to a street sign and said, “Rue?” I saw it. Street. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I shook my head “yes.” He stuck up his thumb and said, “Un? No. Another finger. Deux? No. Yet another finger. Twois? Oui. Then he moved his hand and forearm back and forth to indicate a left turn. Walked straight to it. The Parisians were lovely and so stylish.

Of course, I said “merci” and “si vous plait” a lot. It’s important to know how to say “Thank you” and “please” in the language of any country you’re visiting and to say them liberally. Bitte/danke. Bitte/danke.

Cerebus, the best mango was the idjit who said that his/her (arguments) with liberals always end with liberals conceding that the conservative “had the facts” but that the conservative was “wrong anyway.” *beats head against keyboard* If that isn’t an upsidedowny world strawliberal-infused fantasy, I don’t know what is.

The American stereotype of the rude Frenchman is flat earth dumbness. I prefer to see (even Parisian) attitude as admirable eccentricity, an effort to project character into a world that needs more of it. And if they’re willing to continue making food like they do I’m willing to concede them significant amounts of attitude.

You know how it is, you’re looking around and saying to yourself can I believe any of these people about how to get from here to there. I get asked questions all the time all over the place and it’s because, like MK and BBBB I look like I will not give bad advice. It might be just being large and Caucasian but it does happen.

There are two possible scenarios for us while traveling. Mrs__B can be a lost Romanov princess and I’m her trained bear, or I can be an American capitalist with his mail-order bride. Certainly, her responding in Russian to ‘merkins asking directions in London has made life simpler.

I get asked questions all the time all over the place and it’s because, like MK and BBBB I look like I will not give bad advice. It might be just being large and Caucasian but it does happen.

I think it’s looking purposeful. Today, I had an opportunity to tell a young girl how to get from Inwood (northern Manhattan) to Yonkers (the city in which I actually live, a large boil on NYC’s butt) using public transportation, which she dutifully translated for her mother. I looked like I knew where I was going, so I guess she assumed I’d know where she was going.

I was about to say she has lots of company but then I realized you were referring to a part of Queens. I’ve only been in a few Amurican ex-pat enclaves, mostly in Mexico and Central America and they are loathsome. What Brighton Beach looks like to a non-Odessan Russian is impossible for me to compute but I can understand that it wouldn’t be positive.

In my experience the Germans are haughty, pushy, bitchy. I was tending bar in Austin at a posh resort and had to deal with a couple chermans bitching about how awful everything in America was. “Wenn Mann fremd geht und dabei nicht fröh sein kann Mann sollte nach Heim gehen, nicht war?” they did not tip well.

The Brits are obnoxious sots. Likely to throw up on you or hit you.

Australians are sluts. Niiiice.

Kiwis, if they deign to speak with you, will be perfectly polite … wait, did he just say …. Fucking asshole.

I don’t have a whole lot to contribute on the whole foreign rudeness thing. My father speaks French fluently and is a rather charming, sophisticated guy. He will concede that if you don’t speak the language, the countryside is likely to be more forgiving.

I lived in Germany for a year. I didn’t find Germans über-friendly. *shrug*

94. Conservatives in America today propose with a straight face to combat falling test scores by cutting funding for education … citing their fear of the same massive deficit they created via their “borrow-&-spend” economic folly, to ignore its track-record of universal failure & advocate harsh austerity in a time of high unemployment … to fight a rising deficit with tax-cuts & spending cuts that demonstrably will wind up costing exponentially more than their initial savings … & to fix high unemployment with even more tax & regulatory lolly for the rich – because THIS time maybe instead of simply pocketing the free loot & proceeding with business as usual, they’ll start hiring more people, unlike every single other time in recorded history up to now.

To say nothing of the magic thinking behind trickle-down theory, Reagan declaring that ketchup is a vegetable, the mythology of the Cadillac Welfare Mom, or of conservatism being oppressed by a “liberal media” universally owned by the exact same corporate clique that funds the GOP (the same “liberal media” that treated the Tea Party with kid gloves where it now casts every aspersion it can on the OWS protestors it can no longer willfully ignore), the Laffer Curve as economic gospel, shrugging away the threats to democracy inherent in the MCA & Patriot Acts I & II with “if you’re innocent you have nothing to fear,” no matter how often history refutes this perilous leap of faith … & oh so many more.

At the same time, they display utter hostility & contempt for the “elitists” in academia who keep disproving their talking-points, while one candidate for POTUS publically states that intelligence isn’t a prerequisite for the job, to the delight of right-wing bloggers aplenty … & the last GOP president chose to “go with his gut” in the face of massive evidence to the contrary (with predictably tragicomic results) while those who voted for him applauded.

Yes, surely it is a mystery where this nefarious “meme” could have come from.

Comment by jim — November 19, 2011 @ 10:31 pm – November 19, 2011

I wouldn’t call all this “dumb” – because mere simple-mindedness is innocent – & painfully slow though the clue-acquisition may be, even a dummy will see the error of their ways & amend them when corrected, usually with sincere thanks for the enlightenment (ask me how I know, herp derp).

This is pathological stupidity.

As the years march ever onward I have a growing suspicion that until & unless we as a society address Teh Stoopid as an actual disease, using every resource at our disposal to neutralize it, it is going to do for us what meteorites did for the dinosaurs.

It’s not even fucking Thanksgiving yet, and when I went into the Radio Shack today they were playing “Grandma Got Run Over by a Reindeer”, which is now still coursing through my head like a colony of fire ants dipped in aqua regia.

Christ! Can’t I have that last week of peace? At long last? Have you left no sense of decency?

Oh, and of course, these assmonkeys get fifteen kinds of butthurt should anyone call the dumb shit they spout by its proper description, but it’s all well and fine for them to scream to the rafters how anybody with a political view not tackhammered to the starboard wall is a traitor and should be imprisoned at best and summarily executed at worst. Should anyone call that eliminationist rhetoric by its proper name, they seem to be able to uncover sixteen further levels of butthurt to wail about.

Fucking whiners.

Hey guys! If you stop being willfully stupid, and stop acting like complete assholes, people might stop calling you and treating you like a bunch of stupid assholes.

“It’s not even fucking Thanksgiving yet, and when I went into the Radio Shack today they were playing “Grandma Got Run Over by a Reindeer”, which is now still coursing through my head like a colony of fire ants dipped in aqua regia.”

It’s going to be a rough holiday sales season so they’re going to drag this rotten horse carcase as long as humanly possible, especially at places like the `Shack.

Back from Roma, flew Alitalia from FCO to JFK and had free wine in economy along with decent food and great service (at least it beat the hell out of Delta). The Sistene Chapel, Pieta and the dome of St. Peters all show different facets of the genius of Michelangelo. I was left awestruck and speechless by the overwhelming number of masterpieces everywhere you turned. The ceilings and floors alone were incredible, and when you fill these halls with the treasures of centuries the effect is sublime. Say what you want about the Catholic Church but I feel damn lucky to have seen these incredible things.

when I went into the Radio Shack today they were playing “Grandma Got Run Over by a Reindeer”, which is now still coursing through my head like a colony of fire ants dipped in aqua regia.

I feel for you. I, however, am happily getting quite astonishingly drunk while converting many old stacks of vinyl to digital, and am currently doing the first WOMAD benefit sampler LP; a funky remix of “Mirror In The Bathroom” followed up by Prince Nico and then Mighty Sparrow. Ahhh, thank you Peter Gabriel, you were right to tell those Phil Collins tossers to go pound sand.

Smelled fine as far as I could tell. A bit confusing but once I found the right terminal (agents were very nice) things were great. There are more duty free shops there than I have ever seen – high end stuff.

Christ! Can’t I have that last week of peace? At long last? Have you left no sense of decency?

Every year, a local “lite” radio station turns their entire programming day over to Christmas music starting on Thanksgiving. Their “book” skyrockets, so last year they decided to start on November 1, meaning that people were waking up to Halloween candy and “I YOOST GO NUTS AT CREESSMASS!”

I didn’t post any of the more racy frescoes from Pompei because I didn’t want to run afoul of any prudes at flickr. Carved penii in the street point the way to the red light district from the docks – gotta love the honesty.

Many Americans still expect Europeans to fall down on their knees and kiss their hemlines for opening a second front during WWII. Maybe not the Germans, but they are at least expected to look contrite.

I lived in Germany for a year. I didn’t find Germans über-friendly. *shrug*

My partner lived in German for two years. He said that people were nice enough at first, but as the tourist tells fell away and his German became fluent, his reception grew colder. He got a distinct whiff of, “shouldn’t you be leaving soon?”

Oh, I’m done. I knew I’d do it once I stopped the vaping with less than a day of discomfort.

I did this back in the 1990s for three years. Then, I had to have my gall bladder removed the old-fashioned way, ’cause I was in the sticks, and they would NOT let me go home, since I lived alone. I ended up staying with friends 60 miles away who were chain smokers, both. In February. I was about to die… hated it! Finally, I bummed a smoke to desensitize, and sure enough, that helped tremendously. Bummed another. By the next day, I was sending someone out to buy me a pack, and away we go.
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Yes, Major Kong, please and thank you will take you a long way in foreign lands. And yes too to Pedestrian, about the becoming fluent as a way to disappoint your hosts, who apparently prefer to hear you mangle the language for a good laugh: “Idiota, ni puede decir jueputa!.

Oh Ben. Ben Ben Ben virginal Bennie.
I’m gonna speculate that contrarian opinions about performers and performances in an artistic medium are likely to be better-informed and more worth reading — though possibly less hilarious — when the author is familiar with human emotions other than “resentment”.

You know you’re seeing the aftermath of a good life when you walk by a funeral parlour & are confronted by a little crowd coming out onto the sidewalk in full formal mourning attire, unanimously losing their shit with so much laughter that you’re pretty positive that some folks’ underwear is going to need changing.

Safe to say I can’t expect to spawn any such epic triumph, but whatever tiny victories I’ve been able to snatch from the maw of woe deserve to be honoured with the odd token of my esteem.

Another example of the same syndrome in a different medium: when James Thurber told E.B. White that he was thinking about taking drawing lessons, White told him “Don’t do that. If you ever got good you’d be mediocre”.

I went into the Radio Shack today they were playing “Grandma Got Run Over by a Reindeer”

I worked in Central Market— a gourmet mega-food mart in Austin that was the brainchild of Charles Butt— and the Christmas music got to me. I would erupt into “Hallelujah. Halleluja. Halleluja. Hallle-lu-ja” at odd times to relieve some of the pressure so that I wouldn’t explode.

Hoo boy. Gotta disagree with you here. Shortly after we got Netflix I watched up to about 3/4 of the way through season two but then I gave up. Between the pseudo religious speculation and the plot holes you could drive a battlestar through I had had enough.

It was disappointing as someone I respected told me it was a good show. Now I must hate them.

OK, I was thinking more of Mansquito as bad acting, or maybe Mega-shark vs. Giant Octopus.

Ben probably liked those… Mansquito was a scathing indictment of liberalism, with the eponymous character literally sucking its sustenance out of the blood vessels of honest Heartlanders. Mega-shark vs. Giant Octopus was a metaphor for the two prongs of the liberal assault on America, with the mega-shark representing the muscle of the union thugs, and the giant octopus representing the more insidious attack on society by Hollywood leftists and socialist academics.

He’s always Spencer Tracy, no matter what he’s in. That’s more a characteristic of older actors who were movie stars rather than actors (see John Wayne, Cary Grant, Clark Gable, etc.), but those actors are rarely listed among the best of all time. Tracy routinely is.

Careful there, Ben. That implies that John Wayne wasn’t a great actor, and in conservative circles that’s just short of attacking a certain friend of Bonzo.

Have you checked your underwear? That’s where I keep mine. Though I (figuratively) have a bigger dick and more balls than most men I’ve met, I’ve never once lost my femininity. I don’t know how a girl would go about doing that, shy of having a very costly operation that includes having an appendage attached that neither of us were born with, but always have been strangely attracted to in spite of how funny they look.

As I sit here typing this post, sipping Kaluah Especial, and looking forward to enjoying a cigar, my femininity sits here quietly as well. Soon, me and my femininity will finish mopping the kitchen floor; then we’ll get ready for bed, light a cigar, and smoke some of it while I finish my snifter of Kaluah. Fortunately, my femininity doesn’t drink or require any upkeep at all, which is good because I suspect that if it did it would want to indulge in some fairly expensive habits.

From the comments at Pup’s link to Virgin Ben’s overrated actors/actresses screed:

“I guess I never understood what all the fuss about acting was. As well as judging between ‘good’ acting and ‘bad’. The idea that they are the western worlds version of untouchable, unapproachable royalty has always confused me. Kids playing cops and robbers. In that sense, they are the winners in the lottery of life.”

Yes, and Trust-Fund babies had to work hard to find the right parents.

OK. How about this: Did anyone catch Meet the Gregory yesterday? John Kerry was outstanding. He called Kyl the lying sacka shit that he is. Catch it on youtube if you can. Also noticed a different format. Gregory talked to Kyl alone for the first segment, then to Kerry alone. This kept Kyl from interrupting. This format clearly does not accrue to the benefit of Republicans, therefore watch it while you can. It won’t last long.

Hoo boy. Gotta disagree with you here. Shortly after we got Netflix I watched up to about 3/4 of the way through season two but then I gave up. Between the pseudo religious speculation and the plot holes you could drive a battlestar through I had had enough.

Yeah; that’s what I typically hear from the small set of people who weren’t into it, but not too much exposition ever goes into the plot holes part. Sometimes they add, “not enough sci-fi,” which I can see, if that’s why you wanted to watch the show. I, going into it, had no preconceptions. Well, maybe I did, but I didn’t watch it when it ran originally, as I couldn’t conceive of it being any good, given the original premise, and the cheesiness of the original series. Then, someone I respect said, “It’s nothing like you might expect,” and I have to say that person was right.

I also really like The Sopranos, even though it contains a lot of pseudo-religion and plot holes (Janice Soprano having a baby at age 50?).
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Okay, here’s one plot hole I can recall: the commander of BSG, what’s his name, Olmos, commits treason and stages a coup then, when the other skipper gets cleared out, everything is A-OK again and hunky-dory with Mme. President. Um, not so much in any reality I know of. Here’s another one: Dr. wassname, the guy who sees the Cylon chick (hubba hubba, btw) is next to psychotic but the fleet puts their entire ability to detect Cylons into his hands, alone. Also, he has no help developing his Cylon detector. Yeah, that’s how science works.

Also, for the record, my mom was 45 when I was born. 50 is pushing it, admittedly, but not completely out of the realm of possibility. It’d probably be a Down baby but still…

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