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Point taken; just that people who have a certain 'look' would be in danger----------read that dark skinned Blacks and Nordic Whites/porcelain white skinned Chinese would be 'safest' if the dung hit the fan.

IMO, there's a "dirty little secret" that just about ALL of our elected national leaders won't tell us, which are these items:
- Though here illegally, the economic activity of 10-15M people is substantial and contributes to various tax collections (sales tax, gasoline tax, etc). This is a boost to most cities and states and no one wants to loose that income.
- The mantra of our nation, from Main Street to Wall Street, is that "growth is good" and with the birth rates here a lot lower than 50+ years ago, it's immigration (legal or not) that keeps things growing.
- Business interests of most sorts like the illegals for many reasons, most of these reasons are centered on their own greed, and behind the scenes political pressure and PAC money will be spent to maintain the status quo.
- Rounding up illegals, especially families with children, will appear heartless and cruel, subjecting politicians and our nation to ridicule.
- Back to the growth issue, the nation needs a large influx of young working people to keep the economy going strong. Primary emphasis for getting these illegals into a path to citizenship precisely is so they can pay into the Social Security and Medicare programs and keep these programs from going broke. This is a financial fact of life that really pushes Congress to ignore illegal immigration issues for the most part.

All that being said, look for Congress to enact two things: (1) some sort of path to citizenship; and (2) a major increase in the amount of LEGAL immigration that is allowed. To keep government solvent, new taxpayers have to be found, or taxes here will have to go way up to balance the budget and pay for our programs, as no president or congress is going to turn off Social Security and Medicare. Which alternative do you prefer?

it isn't a dirty little secret. everybody knows that the government is currently engaged in extend and pretend. they are willing to trade ruination of the country for short term political gain, just as they did when they let illegal immigrants into the country in big numbers to fuel the housing boom and the stock market ride. trying to find a way to pay for the retirement of all of these illegal immigrants (who HAVEN'T been paying into the system for years and years, like american citizens have) is going to lead to economic disaster down the road, not salvation. it puts yet more weight on an already crippled system.

we already HAVE a pathway to citizenship and decent people ARE using it. there seems to be a group of people, however, who want to take the easy way and unfortunately that is the group that our government seems to be welcoming with open arms.

you left out that government could be downsized and that savings could be applied to grow the private sector, which is the only practical solution, and then we could still deport the illegal immigrants. we have people who want to come into this country the right way, but we won't if we keep on the same financial road that we are on.

I can't logically see the US deporting 12 million and counting, simply because of the volume of people.

I think if amnesty is passed it could backfire, however. I could imagine riots similar to the 1960s....

I can see the removing of 12 million. It can be done and with the number of police, fed agents, and military personnel, could be done in a month. If ammesty is passed, the riots of the 60's will be looked at as very calm. I can promise you that.

If ALL illegal immigrants are put in the position of being unable to make a living, if their families are denied any sort of taxpayer funded goodies, and hospitals treat only life threatening emergencies, withholding routine healthcare, I guarantee you that people will leave.

After all, aren't they just "good people just trying to support their families?" If they can't do that here in the U.S., they'll go someplace else.

If ALL illegal immigrants are put in the position of being unable to make a living, if their families are denied any sort of taxpayer funded goodies, and hospitals treat only life threatening emergencies, withholding routine healthcare, I guarantee you that people will leave.

After all, aren't they just "good people just trying to support their families?" If they can't do that here in the U.S., they'll go someplace else.

Of course you'll need every employers cooperation for this. America can enforce laws on people, but people themselves choose whether or not to follow the laws.

I recognize something (amnesty or force-out, etc.) has to be done, but I still think forcing everyone out is easier said than done. If it were that easy, why wouldn't the US do it sooner? There has to be some reason they're delaying.

Of course you'll need every employers cooperation for this. America can enforce laws on people, but people themselves choose whether or not to follow the laws.

I recognize something (amnesty or force-out, etc.) has to be done, but I still think forcing everyone out is easier said than done. If it were that easy, why wouldn't the US do it sooner? There has to be some reason they're delaying.

There are several reasons for the delay, among them being:

1. Corporate use of slave labor--big business owns the government and they're not about to assist in the loss of labor which allows them to pad their bottom line.
2. Fear of being perceived as politically incorrect if we actually enforce our laws.

If there were massive penalties for the hiring of illegal aliens, then there would be forced cooperation among employers. Voila! No jobs--no illegal aliens.

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