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Thursday, July 16, 2009

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You are now chatting with 'Jason'.

Jason: Hello, how may I assist you?

Anthony: i can't seem to actually post in the Rants and Raves forums. i figured that would be the safest bet for where i could post.

Anthony: also, don't know if it's on my end or not, but i was not able to get into the "submit a ticket" part of the support section so i had to try "chat"

Jason: Have you been blocked from posting into the forums?

Anthony: they never said that they blocked me

Anthony: just that further abuse (whatever the abuse was) would result in whatever

Jason: Did you have an abuse email?

Jason: Then you have been removed from the Forums

Jason: Further abuse would result in a refund and a removal of your webs account.

Anthony: "Dear Webs User, It has come to our attention that you have not been following the rules of the Open Forums within the Community section of Webs. Posting in the wrong section or posting to have other members visit your site outside of The Bragging Place is a violation. Any future violations will result in site suspension. Webs Abuse Department"

Anthony: i really would like to know what the abuse was as a paying client as apposed to the clients that join webs for free

Jason: Yes you have been removed from using the forums

Anthony: i would think there would be a different sort of warning first like a slap on the wrists

Jason: sorry..

Anthony: policy is policy

Jason: Is there anything else I can do for you today?

Anthony: i'd like to find out how i can be notified of what the abuse was

Anthony: that would be top

Jason: I am sorry... if you have been removed, you cannot be re-added

Jason: nor will our abuse team take the time to respond to you.

Anthony: if not then i guess i'd like to know what the refund policy is and how i would i be able to keep all of my website files and formats

Jason: We would refund you for your sites and remove everything from our servers.

Anthony: it's only a couple hundred dollars but, it's more than the free users

Jason: You would need to find another provider all together.

Anthony: i understand that

Jason: Yes, you would no longer have access to any of our free accounts as well

Anthony: but with it being through site builder, would i need to switch to HTML and copy all my code?

Anthony: and then somehow download all my files?

Jason: no, you would need to start over at a different provider

Anthony: my content i'm speaking of

Anthony: the stuff that is under my copyright

Jason: yes you would need to create new content at a new provider

Anthony: no Jason

Jason: That is why we remove it from our servers.

Anthony: i'm speaking of things that i own

Jason: As I said, that is why we remove it from our servers...

Anthony: is there any method that webs makes it easier for me to have that stuff in my posetion

Anthony: possession

Jason: we are not a storage facility.., you are responsible for storing your own content

Anthony: and that's what i just stated

Anthony: not ONCE did i say ANYTHING about you all storing it

Anthony: did i?

Anthony: i was attempting to ask

Jason: As I said, we will remove your account and provide you with a refund

Anthony: is there an easy method for me to get my stuff off of your servers

Anthony: i wish you would stop and listen a moment

Jason: no, you will need to rebuild your content somewhere lse

Jason: else

Anthony: you're not listening so next subject

Anthony: how much of a refund?

Anthony: this is all being logged and recorded btw

Jason: I will process it and send it to the billing department

Anthony: i didn't ask that

Jason: absolutely

Anthony: i asked how much

Anthony: what is the percentage

Jason: whatever is pro-rated of what you have pre-paid

Anthony: like 10% off per month?

Jason: if you paid for a year, and there is 2 months left, that is what you would get credited

Anthony: ah ok

Anthony: didn't know if there would be like a huge chunk taken off the top or anything

Anthony: thanks Jason. i'll get back to you, i guess, when i figure out what i want to do.

Anthony: and i mean it. thank you for putting up with me.

Jason: I will send this through to billing.

Anthony: no

Anthony: i didn't ask for that

Jason: So you can find a new provider...

Anthony: i wanted to find out so i can be informed before i make a decision

Jason: We obviously cannot make you happy, you are not able to post in the forums

Anthony: i really hoped you would have handled this better Jason. you'll be hearing more at the next meeting.

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You are now chatting with 'Jason'.

Jason: Hello, how may I assist you?

Anthony: Every one of my support tickets is getting closed without a response.

Anthony: i understand i'm a bit ****y in them, but it's very frustrating

Anthony: i show much support for webs.com with all the struggles it has, then i have a few issues and they are not addressed, even with 3 accounts i put money into.

Anthony: oh and, hey Jason. :) hope the rest of your day has been going better than right now.

Jason: np

Jason: Let me take some time and help you out.

Jason: if you are pissy in your tickets, it is possible that our techs will not assist.

Anthony: i definitely understand that. i've been on that end plenty of times.

Anthony: but the first one, with unauthorized use of my email address, has been something i've tried to calmly have addressed about 4 times before.

Jason: Tell me what is going on, and I will help.

Anthony: then i get a notification today that i abused the forums somehow, with no explanation of how or where. and trying to submit the ticket, the support page glitches out and 2 get submitted and they both are already closed.

Anthony: well, to address the first issue: i have an issue with webs' policy of using MY email address to email people that comment or sign my website to ask them to join my website

Jason: Lets start with one issue and deal with it at a time.

Jason: That is a webs policy....

Anthony: let's try this out though:

Jason: We are not going to change a webs policy for a single user... sorry

Anthony: a pedafile signs some kid's website

Anthony: now he has her email address

Anthony: which is then traced back to her home

Jason: Regardless of your logic... this is a webs policy.

Anthony: but that's cool i understand if i'm the only paying customer complaining about it

Anthony: so, with that out of the way, and thank you for dealing with me on that one.

Jason: Have you added that into our feedback form?

Anthony: where did i violate the forums?

Jason: We want feedback from our users.

Anthony: oh yeah, i've definitely written that email thing all over the place, the forum, to the twitter, the feedback form, the blog. all that.

Jason: You only need to enter it once... that is enough for us to register it

Jason: In regards to the Forums

Anthony: i guess i'm the only one with an issue on the email thing then. it surprises me

Anthony: yeah, that email was all: you abused the forums! don't do it again or we'll take further action!

Jason: You may not be the only one..

Jason: Ok..

Jason: lets deal with that.

Jason: 1. We are working very hard to implement positive changes to how we handle support at webs.

Jason: We now are offering 24/7 live chat for all Premium Users.

Jason: We are also wanting to work with all of our members so that we can build a forum community that is POSITIVE and helps all members grow

Jason: If we have members that are not wanting to make the forums a positive place to be, we will gladly provide you with a refund and recommend that you find a different provider that would like your style of feedback.

Anthony: but i do use a positive attitude AND informative attitude in the forums

Anthony: that's what has me upset

Anthony: nobody is telling me what i did wrong.

Anthony: because as far as i know, it's all productive that i do in there.

Jason: Well I do not have your Forum posts in front of me

Anthony: that's why i put in the ticket

Anthony: and PLEASE check this out real quick to see if i was an ass:

Anthony: "As somebody that tries very hard to adhere to the rules of the forums, expresses support of webs.com when it constantly crashes, and between ninbroken52, thehomezoo and boxheadandglove has spent over $200 on your services, i would appreciate being informed of exactly where my forums violation was. thank you"

Jason: however, if you are getting an abuse email, then I can say that is not what we are looking for

Anthony: but, i don't know where the abuse was.

Anthony: i keep my bragging in the bragging place

Anthony: i keep on topic

Anthony: and i don't reply with: i don't know, good question.

Jason: Well, lets start with webs constantly crashing...

Jason: If you have an issue, we want to know about it so that we can fix it.

Jason: We are not building a positive community if our members are all complaining about constant crashing, when that is not what happens.

Jason: If you have an issue, we want to hear about it. We have over 20,000 new customers each and everyday, so we definitely have some growing pains like any other company experiencing massive growth

Anthony: i'm just speaking from what i've seen. i consider once to twice a week of either not being able to get on my site or in my account constant.

Anthony: that's definitely true

Anthony: and i'm happy for the company

Jason: Why can you not get into your site.

Jason: What is the error?

Jason: What browser are you using?

Anthony: i just feel like today and with the email it's pointing a nasty finger at me when all i'm trying to do is have some websites

Jason: What version?

Anthony: i've used everything from IE to firefox. these were issues that were addressed by webs.

Anthony: from IE7 and 8 to FF3 to 3.5

Jason: Well we have not had any issues like that in the last 2 months

Jason: so what did we fix for you?

Anthony: that's what i'm saying

Anthony: whenever i bring up an issue

Jason: In June we had an outage related to HD issues

Anthony: it just fades away

Jason: no, I want to know about your issue, an error code

Jason: I work on FACTS...

Anthony: yeah that one stung. but it was nice that you guys were twittering about it and i felt a lot better about the issue and became interested in it

Jason: that is what we can fix... not just blanket statements

Jason: that was the first major issue in 6 years

Jason: I would consider that pretty good...

Anthony: i haven't had any error codes when it just says cannot connect to website, server connection timed out

Anthony: oh i thought that it was awesome

Anthony: i'm not being sarcastic or anything.

Jason: Have you run a traceroute from your machine to the server?

Anthony: i enjoyed the tweeting about it and was genuinely interested and wasn't worried about when the site came back up

Anthony: i feel like all of this is diverting from the issue i put in today's support ticket for: where was my abuse in the forums

Jason: No, our forum moderators obviously do not want you to participate in the forums as they do not feel that it is positive for the community

Anthony: which is fine. i just won't use the forums anymore because i don't want to continue to get emails about abuse then i get obnoxiously worked up like the people i couldn't stand when i did helpdesk

Anthony: i just wish i knew what i did wrong.

Jason: So I will take the time to provide one on one support to you to help solve the issues you have been having.

Jason: So, in regards to your not logging into the server...

Jason: have you done a traceroute from your machine to the server?

Jason: when you are getting the errors?

Anthony: i'm more concerned about the forums abuse

Jason: or just not able to connect?

Anthony: i understand the company has growing issues

Jason: Well... here is the frustrating part..

Jason: I would LIKE to help you...

Anthony: i just think it's messed up for the company to point the finger at a paying client when they're not perfect

Anthony: it would help if i knew what my abuse was

Jason: but if you want to just focus on the forums and complaining, then there is nothing I can do to help

Anthony: my complaint is that i don't have any evidence of my abuse

Jason: Our moderators obviously think what you posted was abuse, and that is what started this.

Anthony: i've posted over 200 times in the forums

Jason: Would you like some help with the connection issues you have had in the past?

Anthony: that's the problem lol

Anthony: no Jason. thank you.

Anthony: i hope the rest of the people you handle today aren't such a pain as i've been. i mean that.

Jason: ok, so next time you cannot connect to webs.. I would appreciate if you would not complain.... as I am wanting to teach you how you can troubleshoot the problem and fix it.

Anthony: i've done tech support up to data forensics.

Anthony: i'm fine over here.

Anthony: it's time for beer

Jason: Ok, then you should know that your connection issue is not a webs issue.

Jason: Perfect.. so the statement of webs being constantly down is not something that is backed up by FACT... just assumption.

Anthony: Jason. it's ok.

Jason: I want to help you find out if the issue is ours... so that we can fix something if we need to...