Forgot to mention that one of the first girls I met in school was a Tunisian exchange student. She was hot as hell, a human version of a Carl Barks character, she looked like she was missing the cute black little dog nose and big ol bone me in a desert sheik tent eyes.

HairBolus:miniflea: Call me stupid, but while I don't necessarily disagree with them, I'm not sure what these protesters are trying to accomplish, or think they will accomplish.

Whatever some protestors' goals are they want their protests noticed and discussed. One sure fire method to get some media attention is to protest topless and get arrested.

Since FEMEN is a feminist organization they have come up with an ideology where appearing topless is pro feminist (plus it really provokes the fundamentalist religious types who are a major enemy oppressors of women). They are a bit less coherent about how toplessness combats the sex industry. Maybe something along the lines of preemption where they will show their tits before being forced to.

The downside of this strategy is that the opinions of women may start to only be taken seriously if they are attractive and have nice tits.

But then again Fox news with their blond bimbos already works under the assumption that looks rather than intelligence is more important for conveying trust in the information they give. Fox, if it still exists in 20 years, will probably evolve toward topless anchor bimbos.

HairBolus:But then again Fox news with their blond bimbos already works under the assumption that looks rather than intelligence is more important for conveying trust in the information they give. Fox, if it still exists in 20 years, will probably evolve toward topless anchor bimbos.

Mexican and some European news stations have already operated under this assumption for decades, it's just going to take a little longer to redirect American conservatives' shame over their own sex drive toward others.

No ones telling bikini girl she has to wear that or else she'll get beaten or killed.I should be able to wear a bikini one day and then a burka the next and no one should give a fark or tell me i can't.

Zasteva:If we gave the Right Wing extremists Christians in the US complete power, how long do you think it would be before:

1) Homosexuality was outlawed2) Adultery was a crime3) Cohabitation was illegal4) Heresy was a crime5) Abortion & Contraception were outlawed6) Jews, Catholics, Muslims, Hindus were subject to restrictions on their ability to worship?

You know what happens when you assume?

Good thing we have a constitution which spells out such things but dont let that get in your derp fantasy when the reality of the death cult is staring you in the face.

Zasteva:Joe Blowme: Nice, twisting and turning to justify the indefenseable.

I'm not justifying anything. Especially not either of the indefensible things here:

- I'm not justifying laws requiring people to dress in a particular way in public. As far as I'm concerned you should be able to walk down the street naked if you want.

- I'm not justifying your assertion that you can make assumptions about people's lives based on their dress.

Joe Blowme: A wise man once said "Tolerance of evil is a crime".

Tolerance of evil is aways a mistake. Intolerance of stuff you don't like is evil. Wisdom is knowing the difference between evil and stuff you just don't like.

If you cant see the evil in islam then i guess we will have to just agree that we dont agree on what is evil. I think Hitler was evil and i dont like him so does that mean he was not evil because i dont like him? Somethings in this world are wrong, nomatter how you look at them... this is one of those things. Let me know when you find tons of videos on the net with right wind xtains cutting off heads of non-believers, then i will call them evil as well.

The Stealth Hippopotamus:Threatening to kill a woman for posting pictures of her boobies on the internet?! There is no reasoning with people like that! How can we start a dialog with someone who.. I mean... come on...

eff it, lets free the fark out of 'em

You'll need to cure them of their mentally-transmitted virus first. At the very least, you need to get them to ignore most of it for the sake of compatibility with reality.

No ones telling bikini girl she has to wear that or else she'll get beaten or killed.I should be able to wear a bikini one day and then a burka the next and no one should give a fark or tell me i can't.

Also, nobody cut off bikini girl's genitals with a pair of kitchen shears, and then sewed her shut to the diameter of a grape, so that her husband (who she didn't choose, and who she may not even like) can rip her open on her wedding night.

Joe Blowme:Zasteva: If we gave the Right Wing extremists Christians in the US complete power, how long do you think it would be before:

1) Homosexuality was outlawed2) Adultery was a crime3) Cohabitation was illegal4) Heresy was a crime5) Abortion & Contraception were outlawed6) Jews, Catholics, Muslims, Hindus were subject to restrictions on their ability to worship?

You know what happens when you assume?

Good thing we have a constitution which spells out such things but dont let that get in your derp fantasy when the reality of the death cult is staring you in the face.

Assume?

All 6 items on that list are advocated by conservative elected officials in the US.

Joe Blowme:Zasteva: If we gave the Right Wing extremists Christians in the US complete power, how long do you think it would be before:

1) Homosexuality was outlawed2) Adultery was a crime3) Cohabitation was illegal4) Heresy was a crime5) Abortion & Contraception were outlawed6) Jews, Catholics, Muslims, Hindus were subject to restrictions on their ability to worship?

JoeB: You know what happens when you assume?

I'm not assuming. I'm listing the things that right wing Christian leaders in this country have openly and actively advocated for.

JoeB: Good thing we have a constitution which spells out such things but dont let that get in your derp fantasy when the reality of the death cult is staring you in the face.

I asked what would happen if Christian extremists had complete power. That would, of course, include the power to change or simply disregard the Constitution.

Let me put it another way. Which of the above is not an express goal of right wing Christian extremists in this country?

You spot the difference by looking at what their life situation is, not what they are wearing.

The bikini girl could easily be "property" of a pimp, and the burka girl married to a sweet guy who loves her and treats her like a queen.

Could be. The difference is that it is likely that bikini woman is treated as an equal to a man under the law, whereas burka woman is treated as property of a man. Whether your owner is nice or not does not change the fact that you are someone's property.

jaytkay:Joe Blowme: Zasteva: If we gave the Right Wing extremists Christians in the US complete power, how long do you think it would be before:

1) Homosexuality was outlawed2) Adultery was a crime3) Cohabitation was illegal4) Heresy was a crime5) Abortion & Contraception were outlawed6) Jews, Catholics, Muslims, Hindus were subject to restrictions on their ability to worship?

You know what happens when you assume?

Good thing we have a constitution which spells out such things but dont let that get in your derp fantasy when the reality of the death cult is staring you in the face.

Assume?

All 6 items on that list are advocated by conservative elected officials in the US.

Ahh the old pointing at past stupidity to justify current stupidity. And liberal elected officials advocate killing babies and eliminating the 2nd amendmend, want to do away with US Sovereignty but even i would not use that as an excuse for isalm.

Zasteva:Let me put it another way. Which of the above is not an express goal of right wing Christian extremists in this country?

Not one of them so i cant say, problem is that its not islamic extremist doing this its just islam and they have the power. So instead of crying about what some extremist MIGHT do if they ever got into power maybe you should focus on the real and present insanity that rules over 1 billion people

liam76:Magorn: Mrbogey: Magorn: The backlash is real, and getting ugly

The stretch you made to include America had to have pulled a muscle.

you think so? I don't. We have farther to fall, because when have made greater advancements here, but there major difference between the comments of the patriarch of Russian's opinions about women, and those of many free republic commentators is only that he's willing to say them Out Loud. If you think I exaggerate go on that site and search any of the article posted in october of last year that showed a 10-point gender gap in favor of Obama

You are comparing the words of the countries leader and commentors on freerepublic and don't see the stretch?

Wasn't it just 5 years ago that this country was ran by people who might as well have been Freepers? Hell, the Bush administration drove out a lot of long serving government employees and filled their posts will diploma mill fundies who Obama shamefully said he wouldn't be purging when he took power.

Besides, the current administration only appears liberal in contrast with the Republicans. By any metric the current administration is basically moderate Republican.

Joe Blowme:Joe Blowme: A wise man once said "Tolerance of evil is a crime".

Zasteva: Tolerance of evil is aways a mistake. Intolerance of stuff you don't like is evil. Wisdom is knowing the difference between evil and stuff you just don't like.

Joe B: If you cant see the evil in islam then i guess we will have to just agree that we dont agree on what is evil.

I don't disagree that there are evil things done in the name of Islam. My point is that they are no worse than the things done by Christians. The Bible is a bloodthirsty book, and advocates or praises the use of violence far more than the Quran.

I don't support religion in general, I just don't see much point in heaping hatred on the 1.5 billion people who follow Islam because of the tiny fraction of that population who are extremist nut jobs.

If you can't manage that level of intellectual honesty, then at least condemn Christians to the same degree.

Joe B: I think Hitler was evil and i dont like him so does that mean he was not evil because i dont like him?

Could be. The difference is that it is likely that bikini woman is treated as an equal to a man under the law, whereas burka woman is treated as property of a man. Whether your owner is nice or not does not change the fact that you are someone's property.

Because you added the word "likely" I will agree with you in once sense. Statistically, a woman wearing a burka is more likely to live in a country that does not grant her the same rights as a man.

That said, guardianship is not the same as ownership. It is definitely a severe restriction on the freedoms a person has, but it is more akin to the control a parent in the US has over their child than the control a slave owner has over a slave.

It's horrible that women are treated that way anywhere in our world. Every person should have the right to choose their own destiny, and support of their family, friends, community and government to pursue that.

The differences between that and the kind of oppression of women done by other religions are pretty miniscule. As I pointed out elsewhere, the primary difference is that in Saudi Arabia the right wing religious extremists have complete power to make the laws they wish, whereas in the US they have very little ability to do that. If you gave Christian right wing extremists the same power, you would see similar restrictions and treatment of women.

Finally, the scenario pictured in the comic could only happen in a country were a woman has a legal right to choose her mode of dress, and to the best of my knowledge there is no country in the world that has guardianship requirements but allows women to wear a bikini in public. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

You spot the difference by looking at what their life situation is, not what they are wearing.

The bikini girl could easily be "property" of a pimp, and the burka girl married to a sweet guy who loves her and treats her like a queen.

Could be. The difference is that it is likely that bikini woman is treated as an equal to a man under the law, whereas burka woman is treated as property of a man. Whether your owner is nice or not does not change the fact that you are someone's property.

Muslim Women Against Femen (MWAF) claim the group's bare-breasted protests are not liberating and that they "do not need saving".

In an open letter, MWAF complained it was "fed up and tired of hearing from women of privilege perpetuating the stereotype that Muslim women, women of colour and women from the Global South are submissive, helpless and in need of western 'progress'."

You spot the difference by looking at what their life situation is, not what they are wearing.

The bikini girl could easily be "property" of a pimp, and the burka girl married to a sweet guy who loves her and treats her like a queen.

Could be. The difference is that it is likely that bikini woman is treated as an equal to a man under the law, whereas burka woman is treated as property of a man. Whether your owner is nice or not does not change the fact that you are someone's property.

https://www.facebook.com/MuslimWomenAgainstFemen

Muslim Women Against Femen (MWAF) claim the group's bare-breasted protests are not liberating and that they "do not need saving".

In an open letter, MWAF complained it was "fed up and tired of hearing from women of privilege perpetuating the stereotype that Muslim women, women of colour and women from the Global South are submissive, helpless and in need of western 'progress'."

How dare they think for themselves! Better send some over-privileged western Feminists there to reeducate them!

Joe Blowme:Zasteva: Let me put it another way. Which of the above is not an express goal of right wing Christian extremists in this country?

Joe B: Not one of them so i cant say, problem is that its not islamic extremist doing this its just islam and they have the power.

So as far as you are concerned, there is no difference between different Islamic groups? They all believe the same thing, and are in complete agreement that women must be kept as property?

So instead of crying about what some extremist MIGHT do if they ever got into power maybe you should focus on the real and present insanity that rules over 1 billion people

Why should I be more concerned about the 1.5 billion Muslims more than the 2.1 billion Christians? Especially since vary few of those Muslims live here in the US, and have virtually no impact on our laws and lifestyles. Whereas the country is dominated by Christians, and they have a great deal of impact on our laws and lifestyles.

Ant:Why, in a thread about Islamic assholes and their completely backward belief system, are we talking about Christian Dominionist assholes and their completely backward belief system?

Because the problem isn't Islamic assholes. The problem is all religious extremists assholes who think they can/should/must push their beliefs on other people, and make others conform to their particular moral code.

Far too many people are confused about this point, so it's important to clarify it whenever xenophobes or Islamophobes start pointing the figure at Islam, while pretending their own shait don't stink.

macadamnut:Ant: Why, in a thread about Islamic assholes and their completely backward belief system, are we talking about Christian Dominionist assholes and their completely backward belief system?

Because the only difference between them is the Muslims don't care what colour your skin is.

Sorry, not even close.

The blacks in Darfur who were being brutalized, raped and murdered were all persecuted for their race as much as for anything else. The blacks in Mali are being persecuted mainly by lighter--skinned Moslems, and Moslems in general do not endorse blacks as being equal members of Islam.

In addition most of the people held in slavery today are blacks who are enslaved by Moslems. But of course, let any white man say the slightest thing against them and "-------dat racist! dat racist!"

Zasteva:Because the problem isn't Islamic assholes. The problem is all religious extremists assholes who think they can/should/must push their beliefs on other people, and make others conform to their particular moral code.

I agree, but we should be allowed to focus on one set of theocratic assholes at a time. We'll get to the others too. Don't worry.

Joe Blowme:Magorn: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Threatening to kill a woman for posting pictures of her boobies on the internet?! There is no reasoning with people like that! How can we start a dialog with someone who.. I mean... come on...

eff it, lets free the fark out of 'em

It's easy to roll our eyes and write this off as more backwardness from a country/region caught int he the 16th century, but it's starting to look like part of a trend worldwide .It seems like women's freedoms are being rolled back everywhere. Not only are women in Libya, Iraq and Egypt far less free than they were five or ten years ago, but you have the Patriarch of what amounts to Russia's official state religion saying just yesterday that feminism was "dangerous" because it encouraged women to do something other than stay home and raise kids, and even in the US red states are passing restrictions on things like abortion that are so punitive towards woment they would have been unthinkable a decade ago (tran-vaginal ultra-sounds anyone?) and it's becoming something close to an accepted notion in far right-wing poltical cirlces that women's sufferage was a mistake and the 19th amendment should be repealed (because women are creatures of their instincts and always vote for proponenets of "nanny-state" policies). The backlash is real, and getting ugly

Wow, are you really this stupid? "Islam is bad BUT THE RIGHT WING IN THE US IS WORSE BECAUSE THEY WANT TO STOP BABIES BEING KILLED!!" I assume you are all for gun control in the name of the children though right? Want to protect the 200 that die from "guns" yet dont give a fark about the 3000+ killed per day... typical stupidity. Women are suffering in every islamic run country yet feminist groups are sient, just pathetic.

I leave a nice little innocent post! Maybe a little to snark but innocent!! And look what happens! Someone smears abortion all over it!

Ant:Zasteva: Because the problem isn't Islamic assholes. The problem is all religious extremists assholes who think they can/should/must push their beliefs on other people, and make others conform to their particular moral code.

I agree, but we should be allowed to focus on one set of theocratic assholes at a time. We'll get to the others too. Don't worry.

Agreed, but I hope you'll forgive me for preferring to focus on the ones trying to screw up the country where I live. :-)

I have enjoyed many of your submissions, Magorn, in the relatively short time I have lurked and then joined this conglomeration of wit and causticity and thus I have to say this is beneath you. I enjoy whippingboy's sarcasm immensely and maybe his contributions aren't in the form of submissions but nevertheless can be just as valid

/no green lit links either but still I participate, without which your submissions are useless

The blacks in Darfur who were being brutalized, raped and murdered were all persecuted for their race as much as for anything else. The blacks in Mali are being persecuted mainly by lighter--skinned Moslems, and Moslems in general do not endorse blacks as being equal members of Islam.

In addition most of the people held in slavery today are blacks who are enslaved by Moslems. But of course, let any white man say the slightest thing against them and "-------dat racist! dat racist!"

Ant:I'm pretty sure Muslims can be assholes to each other over stupid, insignificant physical differences, just like the rest of us.

Google "treatment of africans in saudi arabia" for examples.

Oh it's all right, everyone does it, each ethnic cuisine has its equivalent of the cracker! Culture! Heritage! And let's not forget those ladies!

you think so? I don't. We have farther to fall, because when have made greater advancements here, but there major difference between the comments of the patriarch of Russian's opinions about women, and those of many free republic commentators is only that he's willing to say them Out Loud. If you think I exaggerate go on that site and search any of the article posted in october of last year that showed a 10-point gender gap in favor of Obama

You are comparing the words of the countries leader and commentors on freerepublic and don't see the stretch?

Wasn't it just 5 years ago that this country was ran by people who might as well have been Freepers? Hell, the Bush administration drove out a lot of long serving government employees and filled their posts will diploma mill fundies who Obama shamefully said he wouldn't be purging when he took power.

If they "might as well have" then I would say freepers aren't nearly as bad as they are made out to be. There was no major setback of womens rights.

Medic Zero:Besides, the current administration only appears liberal in contrast with the Republicans. By any metric the current administration is basically moderate Republican

On what metric is allowing gays in the military and supporting gay marriage a "moderate republican" position?

As far as financial considerations I would agree what has been done can be considered moderate republican, however that wasn't the goal of the administration, just Obama dealing witht he hands he was dealt.

liam76gays have been serving in the military for hundreds of years I'm interested in how Obama is supporting gay marriage.is it because he says he supports gay marriage?the words of a lawyer/politician are meaningless without actionand there is no action.