Ever since E.L. James published Fifty Shades of Grey back in 2011, the dating landscape has been irrevocably tinged with the colourings of BDSM (bondage, discipline, dominance and sadomasochism). This is something that men who are looking to meet short-term partners, or even girlfriends and wives, need to consider.

While the extreme end of the BDSM lifestyle is regarded by many as degenerate, the light application of dominant (or ‘dom’) tropes in an interaction with a girl is a great way to assert one’s masculine dominance, reinforce male-female polarity, and get your girl extremely hot under the collar at the same time. And in fact, the assertion of dominance is just an extension of the old game technique of ‘flipping the script.’

Flipping The Script

Flipping the script is when you mischievously suggest that the girl you are chatting up is hitting on you rather than the other way around. The idea is to reframe the situation so that she becomes the sexual predator while you are the innocent gentleman she’s looking to devour.

Of course, you must be careful to be tongue-in-cheek as you present this alternative vision, since you don’t actually want to come across as a naive virgin. But as long as she realises that you are joking then it can be incredibly effective. It’s a technique I use all the time, and have done for as long as I’ve been in the game.

You can flip the script face-to-face when you approach her by accusing her of checking you out, or telling her you just came up to say ‘hi’ and now she’s hitting on you. You can also have a lot of fun with it over text, WhatsApp or Facebook Messenger:

You look like trouble 😉

You look like the kind of girl my mother warned me about

I can tell you’re going to lead me astray / take advantage of me

As a Brit I will often frame it something like:

I’m an innocent English gentlemen. My mum warned me about Spanish girls like you trying to take advantage of me.

Another thing I nearly always write is:

You look cute on the outside, but your eyes are very naughty

Again, the point here is to subtly sexualise the interaction and also to position her as a sexual being, even a sexual aggressor. It works well because it’s flirty and playful, it introduces the notion of sex into the ecosphere of your interaction and it demonstrates that you are comfortable with her sexuality. That you are not judgemental—which is supremely important.

Introducing The Dom

Flipping the script as above works and it’s been a precursor to probably every sexual encounter I have ever enjoyed as a result of game. But just recently I have begun to take things a step further. Inspired by The Control Book by Peter Masters, amongst other texts, I have begun ‘introducing the dom’, and doing so early.

When you flip the script you are sexualising your girl and framing her as naughty. And that is great, as far as it goes. But what you might then usefully do is seed in the idea that you are man enough to control her, to dominate her, and to rein in her insubordinate nature.

Remember, women get off on this stuff hugely. There is a reason why Fifty Shades of Grey had sold 125 million copies worldwide by 2015 and been translated into 52 languages. Because, like it or not, fantasies of domination, punishment and kinky sex are like female catnip. Even the most ostensibly dominant women often secretly love it.

What I’ve been experimenting with recently—and getting good results from—is dropping in codewords early on in my interactions to signal to the girl that I will dominate her and to test her compliance. This works well for both of us, since I have a preference for submissive girls (as I believe most men do) and if she will not fall into my frame then it’s better we don’t waste each other’s time.

The particular words that I like to drop in early on are: rules, discipline, punishments, rewards. Each of these words can be relatively innocuous in and of itself, but they also clearly signpost a particular form of dominance to any girl who’s even half-awake. If she’s into it, she’ll be getting wet imagining spankings and rough sex. If she’s not, then she’ll decline to enter my frame, which is absolutely fine also.

To show you how I have introduced these terms into conversations recently, see below two chats, one from Tinder and one from Bumble. In both cases these are from the beginning of the interactions, since it is important to set the frame early. Plus what I’m seeking to do is to establish extreme male-female polarity upfront.

And . . .

In each case, you can see that the girl has accepted the “naughty girl = needs discipline” frame without comment. In this way our respective roles are established up front and, without being too explicit, I set myself apart from the vanilla ‘provider’ guys who tell her how pretty she is and how much they want to take her out on a nice date to a fancy restaurant.

As with sales, successful dating is very much about understanding the needs of one’s customers and then shaping one’s offer (the product) in such a way as to make it exciting for them. And given the prevalence of sub-dom imagery in the post-50-Shades world, you can do a lot worse than sell yourself as a man who is strong and confident enough to take control of her both in the bedroom and outside of it.

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HAHA! Fucking Troy will be IN COURT hearing those pathetic texts read before a jury seated with blue collar losers who hate him.
A videoed Deposition will appear on a screen with Kanika saying Quote – “He wanted to punish me.. he threatened to hit me. WAAAAAA!” — Tory loses his house, his job, his future career, several thousand dollars in legal bills, his ‘dignity’, and possibly his freedom – all because he was a smartass cheap text “dominant”. The stupidity of these articles are STUNNING.

I’ve been on and off celibate (more off than on) for the past couple years for personal and spiritual reasons and it’s great. Of course the benefits are all anecdotal but usually without fail, a guy will be enlightened once he can see past the sexual haze we call lust. The only scientific reasoning I can give you in favour of being celibate is the huge spike in testosterone levels after 7-10 days of abstinence (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12659241). Other than that, it’s all on the individual.

Good plan dum-dum! The Jew marginalizes your SMV via media hype and you decide to opt for prostate cancer by not functioning as a heterosexual adult! The brown animals fuck any woman left in your path and you choose sleepless nights in the priesthood of latent homosexuality. Pathetic.

Yeah same here. I’ve realised that an additional warm hole and two bags of fat are all women can provide a man in this modern age. I can easily make do with just one, and anyone who has doubts that one hole is enough for recreational purposes has probably never procured the services of a ladyboy in Thailand or Latin America.

Additionally, I discovered from my travels that prostate orgasms are far superior to your traditional penile orgasm in both quality and quantity. All my female Tinder dates recoiled at the thought or pegging a man, but my mates and gym buddies were more than happy to oblige after a bit of coaxing and some grooming and makeup on my part.

It’s about time the Manosphere reached its logical conclusion and reclaimed homosexual intercourse from the cultural Marxists. For thousands of years across civilisations, homosexuality was seen as the paragon of Masculinity. One would never think of calling the Spartans of Greece, the Samurai of Japan, and the Ottoman Janisseries effeminate fags. Yet they engaged in homosexual relations, and recognised it as the ultimate expression of male brotherhood and solidarity. The Feminists too realised the necessity of homosexual-only pairings in the fight for their cause, and as such most RadFems adhere to Political Lesbianism in one form or another.

Will your stand with your brothers, or will you debase yourselves to performing clownish acts so as to beg for access to another hole? The choice is yours.

Your comment shows an utter lack of experience. If you think that it matters what you say to a woman then you are mistaken. It has a lot more to do with confidence and demeanor. What you say is secondary.

It’s one thing to be red pilled. It’s another thing to be cynical to the point where everything sucks and you feel the need to shit on everything. As far as answering your question; my statement wasn’t out of line to begin with. Your obsession with me answering your question leads me to believe that you are just hellbent about arguing over whether or not the sky is blue. That’s all the time I have for you Bob. Go take a cold shower.

“…I care why you believe…” That’s one of the gayer sentences I’ve read on this site. Dude, this is the internet. If I met you on the street I wouldn’t be able to put your face to the unbelievably retarded OP you made, so just chill, you have no real credibility to defend.

Where did I ever state that I was a faggot? I just hope you can answer that question since you made an accusation.
You’re the one making the accusation here, I don’t care what you believe about me; I care why you believe it.

I’m not sure if you guys read the entire article. Perhaps you just read the text messages. Troy starts the conversation on WhatsApp by making the girl look like the “predator” (as he puts it) by making statements like, “I was warned about girls like you.” Or as I interpreted it, you could say something like, “I don’t know about you.” Flirting and poking fun at her (solid technique). Then Troy talks about “flipping the script,” you are now IN PERSON, now you can engage with a more aggressive and dominating approach. The key being; you have to be able to sell it. If you do not believe in yourself, the girl will pick up on this and your actions will 100% look creepy, yes it will backfire. But if you are confident, there’s no limit to the amount of BS you can get away with. The fact that some of this stuff appears weird is part of the appeal. It’s what makes the action bold. It can also be hard to visualize when some of this is taken out of context too. There are times when you are in a zone, you look back in shock at some of the things you said.

I know I’m kind of a conservative guy, but I could never bring myself to talk to a woman (on the net or in real life) with this sort of innuendo and suggestive stuff. I would feel creepy to myself.
Besides, I don’t think I would even want to do the wild thing with a “woman” that likes this kind of flirtation.

No, it’s fine to flip the script or use dom words, just not go full retard when doing it.

FLIPPING THE SCRIPT
If a girl asks what am I doing tonight or SOMETHING like that and I use the, “Whoa. I’m not a piece of meat” overreaction, it generally works in my favour, and I don’t see anything wrong with that. Just don’t go full retard.

INTRODUCING THE DOM
If a girl I’m chatting with (in person) is being a bit stroppy I’m fine with telling her, “You’ll get a spank if you keep that up.” Or if you pick her up for a date it’s fine telling her, “Tonight we’re doing blah, blah, blah.” And if she gives any attitude, saying to her, “We play by my rules, if you don’t like it, you can leave.” Again, just don’t go full retard.

It’s not really the sentence, it’s more the delivery. If you say, “I’ll spank you if you keep that up,” with a smirk on your face it’ll just come off as slimy. But if you say it with a deeper voice and almost no emotion, it creates a whole different vibe. That’s the problem with reading other people’s lines, and also the reason I don’t do text game, it’s more about the delivery and whether it’s congruent with the frame you’re projecting.

At the risk of sounding like a Troy fanboy again, what exactly seems like bullshit in this article? The stories seem perfectly legit and in line with female behavior.

Isn’t this comment section white everyone says AWALT? But then when they find out that women are into kink they go on about “I don’t mess with sluts like those!”

Even the most conservative, virginal, and traditional of women love being dominated in bed. It isn’t “kink” just normal sex. In our species the female primate is the submissive one during intercourse. There is nothing degenerate about a woman who likes being roughed up by a stronger male. Essentially sex is the most extreme form of displaying masculinity and femininity. The willing subject (female) submits to the strong and violent subject (male) for her own pleasure.

Seriously, just try grabbing a woman’s hair and smashing it against the pillow as you pound her doggystyle or in her anus. Or spank her to the point marks are left. Or choke her. Slap her. Whatever. This stuff isn’t “odd” to women. They crave it.

Guys that are claiming it’s bullshit are probably the same ones who will later find out their girl thinks their vanilla sex is boring or that she used to like it when her ex would slap her around with his cock inside her. You guys really need to start reading up on what causes the tingles.

Oh man, I love the hand print. When I spank a girl I hit hard. I count them down, and on the last I make sure to use pretty much 100% strength to ensure she gets goose skin. I don’t really know why I get such satisfaction from it. Masochism’s not really something to be proud of. And yet… I love my work.

Yo cuz it’s not masochism. It’s fulfilling a male sex role. That is of being aggressive and dominant and making her feel like she is a sex object for your possession. Girls get fucking wet at the thought of being “taken” by a powerful male.

The feeling of helplessness in bed is arousing to women. It is very primal. We only give it stupid little names like “masochistic” because our American ancestors were sexually repressed to a point of it being unhealthy.

“Guys that are claiming it’s bullshit are probably the same ones who will later find out their girl thinks their vanilla sex is boring or that she used to like it when her ex would slap her around with his cock inside her”

That probably sums it up. Anyone who has had enough experience with women knows that these things work more often than not.

this is just embarrassing for troy. and he’s already suspect in ROK reader eyes anyway. SMH

on dating apps, this is all it is:
1) be really really good looking
2) have a couple good quality pics
3) dont text anything creepy. boring is ok but not too boring.

>>guys in this camp will excel at tinder and bumble.

and if ur not exceptionally good-looking, then:
1) a lot of it is luck
2) rule of giving and withdraw – get in a rapid-response text convo w her then suddenly withdraw and dont reply for a long-ass time. sure its a dumb game to play but u gotta do it if ur not handsome af

>>guys in this camp will NOT excel at either tinder or bumble. try coffee meets bagel. and then just start upping ur SMV in real life so u can meet girls naturally in bars, cafes, subway station, whatever.

mind you, if ur avg or below looking u have absolutely 0 power while ur just texting. youll get rejected 10000000 times, and youll have some successes to get on an actual date. when u actually go out on the date, thats when u enact real frame, attraction, all that shit to flip the script. but none of this ‘are u naughty’ bs troy spews. thats so cringy i cant believe he put his real name stamp on this one.

Bruh your tinder advice is garbo from the HuffPo likes. Don’t text anything creepy? That sounds like feminist drivel. The bitch swiped right on you. Get sexual or get frustrated with her ass ghosting you for more aggressive men.

What you said about looks is true but since tinder works off the fact they swiped right on you BECAUSE of your looks, then you already have interest and you need to cut the bullshit pussy beating around the bush shit.

Tinder is like a war. The most aggressive and persistent will reap the spoils (women).

What the fuck are you talking about? If the girl already swiped-right, it’s better to be more aggressive than boring (or even “not too boring”). Calling it “creepy” is just evidence that you’re shying away from sexual aggression, even towards a willing women. Embrace it.

This. Tinder already takes the initial creepiness factor away since she obviously said “yes” to talking to you. Being passive is only going to lead nowhere on an app built for the success of moving fast.

He is applying Match.com standards to Tinder. This advice is just parroted fembull based on girls only wanting hot guys messaging them. Well on tinder you only chat with girls who think you’re hot so why walk on eggshells for no one’s benefit???

if im ridiculously good looking and every girl i swipe on has already swiped me, i dont need to do childish ‘are u naughty girl’ texts for 2 reasons:
1) its clowny and its unnecessary since u have a plethora of other matches and dont need to rely on such tactics
2) even more important, im not trying to get my ass screenshotted and posted on imgur for all the fuckin world to see. thtas my #1 rule: nvr text anything orpost anything online that can get me screenshotted. i want to live in digital obscurity. thats very important to me.

u see the texting between james franco and that irish chick? all he needed to say is hi and her panties basically traveled cross atlantic right into his mouth. sure hes a celebrity, but again, that tinder advice above was for the edxceptionally good looking men out there – of which there are very few. my guess is y’all aren’t that good looking (neither am i and i can admit that). but generally i know how thats how it works. if u say differently ur most likely an internet adonis which really makes no sense to do, given that none of us knows u in real life so theres no pt to beef up ur achievements here.

for the rest of us, sure we need to rely on more peacocky things like sexting and give/withdraw tactics, etc. again i’ll reiterate in a diff. way: i’ve hooked up w some girls that are avg and even girls that are def. below avg. some have showed me their dating apps and it doesnt matter if ur a perfect 10 or a perfect cow – guys smother them w online attention. the pt of all this is as i stated in my last post: the normal guy whos not 10/10 looks or celebrity has ZERO POWER at the text-phase before u have actually met the girl. why? b/c shes got a jillino other guys tryna swoon her online, again – regardless of if she’s candice swanepoel or her inbred retarded 3rd cousin.

the key for we normal guys, then, is to find other ways around tinder/bumble where ur success rate is going to be low af, and up your SMV irl to exploit opportunities that very few others are taking advantage of, i.e. meeting girls in the real world in natural situations. u gotta be realistic abt who u are and where u stand in the totem pole. me as a very avg looking dude w good muscular build and low voice and good dress…. my best chance of success is in the ‘streets’, not on tinder. and so thats what i try to do.

Understand that girls left swipe on something like 80% of men. This means if jet swipe wasn’t accidental then she thinks you’re hot. Girls don’t right swipe on guys they think are schlubs that deserve their pity.

OP you let fear dominate your interactions in life. You also have a very low view of yourself. This will hinder your success but please don’t try and drag others down with your negativity.

I’m not a fan of the “Who’s your Daddy” line. If a thot starts with the “Daddy” shtick I immediately question if she has major “Daddy” issues. I don’t even like the term “issues” as it’s major sjw speak but it perfectly describes this situation. I’ve had enough women from broken households to recognise their Daddy fixation. Strictly for pump and dump….no LTR.

If you ever follow his blog for 30 day you know this guy doesn’t lie. He writes about his blowouts and his success. The guy is in his mid 40s picking up girls that are in their 20s. How can you not be somewhat interested in that?

I do not like troy francis – it seems to me his tales of sexual escapades are entirely made up – he is a psychological aggressor of women – he is not about men and self-respect but about agressing and bullying – his tales are fake because I know women well and any smart women – and there and many – would see through this shit – and Troy francis does not seem aware of how words are used differently by women – Troy is a fool – i like women and the majority of women are very helpful friends and intelligent and brave professionals – troy francis is a creep – I am not reading rok again – Troy is downright disturbing – he will turn into a fag because he is not capable of enjoying women while respecting them

if im ridiculously good looking and every girl i swipe on has already swiped me, i dont need to do childish ‘are u naughty girl’ texts for 2 reasons:
1) its clowny and its unnecessary since u have a plethora of other matches and dont need to rely on such tactics
2) even more important, im not trying to get my ass screenshotted and posted on imgur for all the fuckin world to see.

u see the texting between james franco and that irish chick? all he needed to say is hi and her panties basically traveled cross atlantic right into his mouth. sure hes a celebrity, but again, that tinder advice above was for the edxceptionally good looking men out there – of which there are very few. my guess is y’all aren’t that good looking (neither am i and i can admit that). but generally i know how thats how it works. if u say differently ur most likely an internet adonis which really makes no sense to do, given that none of us knows u in real life so theres no pt to beef up ur achievements here.

for the rest of us, sure we need to rely on more peacocky things like sexting and give/withdraw tactics, etc. again i’ll reiterate in a diff. way: i’ve hooked up w some girls that are avg and even girls that are def. below avg. some have showed me their dating apps and it doesnt matter if ur a perfect 10 or a perfect cow – guys smother them w online attention. the pt of all this is as i stated in my last post: the normal guy whos not 10/10 looks or celebrity has ZERO POWER at the text-phase before u have actually met the girl. why? b/c shes got a jillino other guys tryna swoon her online, again – regardless of if she’s candice swanepoel or her inbred retarded 3rd cousin.

the key for we normal guys, then, is to find other ways around tinder/bumble where ur success rate is going to be low af, and up your SMV irl to exploit opportunities that very few others are taking advantage of, i.e. meeting girls in the real world in natural situations. u gotta be realistic abt who u are and where u stand in the totem pole. me as a very avg looking dude w good muscular build and low voice and good dress…. my best chance of success is in the ‘streets’, not on tinder. and so thats what i try to do.

Roosh i really hope you see this comment;
Have you taken into consideration that ROK could one day be under attacks from Paid BOT/ disruption Agents? (if it hasnt already ofc ) my reasoning for this is the significant downgrade in the level of value in the section comment i know there has been a notorious decline for a while, and after the DISQUCKS system suspeneded its service to ROK it was kind of expected to get worse many commenters dont like the system thats in place at the time at that may be somewhat of an explanation for the hiatus that some commenters have taken to say the least but hear me out man remember when it was discovered that in the 2016 presidential campaign (btw i do not support trump he has proven to be another puppet that backstabbed the people that elected him) but regardless, the clinton team paid a numerous amount of trolls to create chaos and mayhem in the trump-sphere in my opinion that may be very well the case right here think about it you can call me a conspiratist but man if it wasnt for the name above the comments id be unable to differentiate these comments from a man to a woman thats undergoing his menopausal stage in full effect seriously.

I agree, whether from degenerates to bad trolls, hell, the way the members of the RoK ‘old guard’ over at AKC whom are still going on about getting banned, I wouldn’t be surprised if one or two of them were contributing.

I find the best way to evaluate a woman is by using the following line: I am willing to do anything you want and let you change me as you like. First you have to prove that you are worthy of my attention by farting in front of me and letting me record it with a camera.

Boy oh boy have I been able to avoid a lot of bad women with this method.

Girls hear lines like these ALL the time. I find them annoying and silly. The “daddy” comment is creepy, and all the winking emojis are lame. It’s okay to be unoriginal, but this stuff makes me cringe.

You can just tell he’s making shit up. These text messages have all the hallmarks of being fake. I recognize bad fiction just by smelling it. The girls’ responses read as too convenient counter-parts to everything he spews at them, just like you see in bad comedies where everything the sidekick says is a build-up to the protagonist’s punchline.

See how he feels the need to write the name of the girls in both examples? That is called overt exposition and it’s a very common mistake among fiction rookies. Ask any writer who’s been published and he’ll tell you the first thing the editor did was removing the overuse of names in dialogue: “I love you, John” become “I love you”, “Susan, I want you to have my babies” becomes “I want you to have my babies” and so on. Troy is basically telling us “Hey, guys, I’m really talking to women! They are women and these are their names! And they have such unique and exotic names, too! How would I even come up with these names if I were making this up?”

Not only do the images look like those “fake-a-text” memes, the messages themselves are extremely cringy. The Germans have a word, fremdschämen, that describes that feeling you get when you see somebody embarrassing themselves without them realizing it. You turn it up a notch, though: not only you don’t realize how sad you come off to the rest of us, you actually managed to convince yourself you’re somehow a ladies men who has something to teach. When you’re clearly, obviously, patently not.

I’m old enough to know that men who feel the need to IDENTIFY themselves as “assholes” and “bad boys” are anything but. You’re too fresh, you still have that “Women love being dominated” shit going, like that’s secret knowledge you have to share with the world. Holy fuck, those emojis are not only unnecessary, they totally take off any edge in what you’re saying: “Tonight I’m going to fuck your throat until you puke xDDDDDDDD :))) =P”

It’s like you’re asking her beforehand not to take you too seriously.

Besides, only someone who is totally isolated from females will think these reactions are real or natural. The funny thing is that, even in fiction, you manage to come off as a total straight-up faggot. And you also manage to portrait those women as bored gals who are just giving you enough rope to see if you say something needy and pathetic worthy of being screenshot and shared among her female friends so they can laugh at how much of a try-hard faggot you are (again, not only without realizing it but actually believing otherwise).

A lot of these angry and disbelieving comments appear to be from men who have seldom, if ever, been laid and are clearly not getting laid with any frequency. The tone of Troy’s messages with women is the typically playful cat and mouse game that successful men play. Nothing about their responses seems fake. It’s the typical feigned indifference that women exhibit in the mating game. The second set of messages is clearly from Bumble, and doesn’t appear phony at all.
It seems many of the commenters have simply given up on women and convinced themselves that celibacy is somehow better. That’s just bullshit. You can’t be an Alpha if you’re a loser or worse, a forfeiter, in the greatest game of all: the pursuit, seduction, and masterful fucking of attractive young women. Instead of talking shit about guys who actually know how to get pussy, you could learn something and use it to improve your game. Alphas fuck hot women, period. If you’re not and you can’t, or don’t believe you can, you’re not an alpha.

Ehh, sure; that can work on women who have a particular affinity for soft “dom” partners but don’t expect it to work every time, or even all the time. The key term here is adaptability, but that’s far from my biggest gripe with ROK so far.

The problem with the waning PUA and red pill community is that it sells a single formula that’s mistakenly applied as a panacea to all things social. Members who reach their goals like success in bed owe much more to do with their high volume of attempts than their social re-engineering.

When young men go out and apply the common teachings then fail, they gnash their teeth and declare pundits to be liars, or hacks, or whatever else will come out of their mouths. I don’t particularly blame them. There has been this saturation of methods, tactics , and terminology but a death of articles that promote self respect and common sense.

Many readers will skip by what lies underneath the underneath; the fact that for every success, “masters” go through a crushing battery of failure after failure after failure. It’s a blindness perpetrated by their lack of mention, perhaps because the people who write advice articles fear that they will be seen as “not alpha” if they act as down to earth as they say they are.

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