any suggestions to stack instead of androhard ?? Above all im trying to GAIN LBM.. im an athlete as well and don't wont to be lethargic, which is why i even decided to add a stack to 1-andro rx. was looking to counter lethargy/libido and had some effects

haha as in IBE's Epistane? I laugh because I've heard of this product but stay away from methlys BUT all night I've been researching this and thinking it may be what im looking for. I find the coincidence somewhat amusing. also, side effect convo was limited?

What sort of side effects would I see?? I've read on logs of 1-t/epistane that the epistane helped improve lethargy and aggression and sex drive however PPs characteristics of the epistane compound suggest the exact opposite??

haha as in IBE's Epistane? I laugh because I've heard of this product but stay away from methlys BUT all night I've been researching this and thinking it may be what im looking for. I find the coincidence somewhat amusing. also, side effect convo was limited?

What sort of side effects would I see?? I've read on logs of 1-t/epistane that the epistane helped improve lethargy and aggression and sex drive however PPs characteristics of the epistane compound suggest the exact opposite??

Epi is pretty mild, but some report lethargy and others have none. In conjunction with 1-DHEA, in may cause lethargy, though.

Epi is pretty mild, but some report lethargy and others have none. In conjunction with 1-DHEA, in may cause lethargy, though.

Id have to assume I'll notice lethargy since both are known to cause it somewhat. I do have Jack3d so maybe ill just sacrifice the lethargy for the gains and take jack3d for workouts and practices when needed.

How do I dose my cycle now that ill be stacking???

PP suggests 200-400mg/day of 1-DHEA when STACKING and 10-20mg/day of epistane when STACKING... that seems somewhat low though.

Id have to assume I'll notice lethargy since both are known to cause it somewhat. I do have Jack3d so maybe ill just sacrifice the lethargy for the gains and take jack3d for workouts and practices when needed.

How do I dose my cycle now that ill be stacking???

PP suggests 200-400mg/day of 1-DHEA when STACKING and 10-20mg/day of epistane when STACKING... that seems somewhat low though.

Well, that dosage recommendation from PP is not based off of plain 1-DHEA.

I just ran 1androrx @ 600 for a long cycle, there was 4 weeks in there with 300mg of orastan E as well, no lethargy from either compound for me, if anything I wrestled with some insomnia, ! andro rx is really mild bro , so is andro hard I cannot see it causing any problems. . .

for while bodily training is of some value, godliness is of value in every way, as it holds promise for the present life and also for the life to come 1 Tim 4:8

I just ran 1androrx @ 600 for a long cycle, there was 4 weeks in there with 300mg of orastan E as well, no lethargy from either compound for me, if anything I wrestled with some insomnia, ! andro rx is really mild bro , so is andro hard I cannot see it causing any problems. . .

Yea vie run PP's 1-T before which is the same compound along with added DHEA in it, i loved it. Running at 600 of 1-andro rx is no problem for me alone but now that im thinking of stacking with EPISTANE Im wondering at what dose ill see results from both as well as minimul sides??

I just ran 1androrx @ 600 for a long cycle, there was 4 weeks in there with 300mg of orastan E as well, no lethargy from either compound for me, if anything I wrestled with some insomnia, ! andro rx is really mild bro , so is andro hard I cannot see it causing any problems. . .

what kinda of results did you see from your 1-andro rx and orastan E cycle?

what kinda of results did you see from your 1-andro rx and orastan E cycle?

It was super fun from beginning to end, I was doing alot of cardio and eating under maintence for fat loss, but I still had great strength gains muscle hardness , its hard to say if what I mat have gained in lbm, because I lost a ton of fat, but I do "look" alot more muscular, It may bee cuz I leaned out some, But i would run them again in a heart beat , Id run both at those doses for 8 weeks if I had the bread

for while bodily training is of some value, godliness is of value in every way, as it holds promise for the present life and also for the life to come 1 Tim 4:8

It was super fun from beginning to end, I was doing alot of cardio and eating under maintence for fat loss, but I still had great strength gains muscle hardness , its hard to say if what I mat have gained in lbm, because I lost a ton of fat, but I do "look" alot more muscular, It may bee cuz I leaned out some, But i would run them again in a heart beat , Id run both at those doses for 8 weeks if I had the bread

Sounds great man! I can only run something for 4-5 weeks tops tho due to traveling and timing. So you suggest a cycle like this: