Hi friends
To put it into context.
There are two kinds of ego.
One as defined by the Medical/ Psychiatric profession.
is Healthy self esteem.
It is good to take pride in the way we do things.
When one is comfortable with oneself and what one does then fear decrease and it is easy to be in this world with all its trials and tribulations at that point there is an over lap into the second definition of ego, the spiritual one.

The ego in spiritual terms could be defined as "Edge God Out"
Every spiritual teacher without exception says that to fully know one true self the ego must be transcended.

There were some very good contributions to this thread on Avalon and I hope that the same will apply here.
Celine has said that the complete thread from Avalon will be reposted here but there are technical problems in doing this at the moment, hopefully these will be resolved.
Time being fresh insights are very welcome.
Chris
Namaste.

THX for starting this thread Greybeard, very interesting material.......

8th April 2010 10:16

kriya

Re: Enlightenment and related matters.

Greybeard,

Good to see you. I'm glad you are here.

Can't the original thread from PA1 be brought over here, so that you don't have to start again? And have you heard from 14chakras?

Love,

Kriya

8th April 2010 10:55

stardustaquarion

Re: Enlightenment and related matters.

Hey Greybear, lovely to see you

My understanding is that EGO stands for epigenetic overlay which is gone out of control, it is part of our anatomy so we can not get rid of it we just have to heal it. Healing the EGO means re-aligning ourselves with the path of joy which is aligning with the natural laws that rule the cosmos. The laws of the cosmos are related to the efficient use of energy because expanssion (sometimes called ascension) can not happen if we do not have enough energy in the system

Lets take the choice of being joyfull or unhappy, when we are unhappy we spend energy which does not return to us. Instead when we are in joy the energy that we are experiencing expands and give us an energy profit.

All that is related to the missuse of the EGO is related to the path of de-evolution or opposite expression to Source

True to say that source gave us free will but this is not a "free for all" cosmos, which means that our decisions have consecuences in energy terms and at the end mean the difference between eternal life and finite life

Source prefers us to live in joy but it is our choice to decide what we want to do. Whether we chose the path of joy or the path of opposite expression, source loves all parts of itself equally

When we are overly identified with our EGO we lose our conection with source and we fall in a state of fear that propel us to find "safety" by opressing those that we perceive as a threat to us
In reality, that is only a EGO illussion for everyone and everything in the cosmos is made of source essence and hence, everything even those that choose the path of de-evolution can not escape source because they are inside source

Living in harmony with the laws of the cosmos and re-training our EGO to trust source and the process align us with probabilities that are more in co-resonance with the "ideal" life that most of us have want to experience and are called heaven on earth or paradise on earth

One of the most difficult EGO patterns to contend with is "the blame game". When we are in EGO conscioussness and blame others for what is happening in our lives we disempower ourselved totally, we give all our power to that we are blaming....this is why the illuminati are winning this reality game because we are blaming them for all the ills in our lives, rather that say ok "why am I creating this and how can I stop thinking this way". Re-training our EGO and self empowering ourselves is not difficult but it takes mindfullness, patience and perseverance

This is my pespective

Thank you for providing a space in which we can express our personal perspective on the matter

Love :grouphug:

8th April 2010 13:16

greybeard

Re: Enlightenment and related matters.

Quote:

Posted by kriya

Greybeard,

Good to see you. I'm glad you are here.

Can't the original thread from PA1 be brought over here, so that you don't have to start again? And have you heard from 14chakras?

Love,

Kriya

Hi Kriya
I have asked for the original thread to be transported as there was a lot of good material posted there by quite a few contributors.
Celine has said yes but there are tec probs at the moment so rather than wait, I thought it best to resume.
!4 Chakras and I have had some email contact.
Love
Chris

8th April 2010 13:33

greybeard

Re: Enlightenment and related matters.

Hi Stardustaquarian
Thank you for your post.

What you say is so and will take you so far but it will not lead to enlightenment.
However it is very helpful to tame the ego first and certainly life will be a lot easier when the ego is docile.
Only very high spiritual energy will assist the complete transcendence of ego.
That comes through aligning with Gods will.
The ego is not the enemy as such it is just an obstacle to attaining higher consciousness.
Its a bit like launching a space rocket in that the first stage drops away when it has served its purpose.
The ego was necessary to get the human race to this stage of evolution from a materialistic point of view, however it is a
a hindererence to evolving further spiritually and therefore fulfilling our true potential.
Chris

8th April 2010 13:36

greybeard

Re: Enlightenment and related matters.

Thanks Swami
Sat Chit Anand
May we all experience this soon.
I learned a lot from Yogananda books.
Chris
Namaste.

9th April 2010 04:48

truthseekerdan

Re: Enlightenment and related matters.

Hey Chris,

Good to see that you re-started your thread here. I believe it's a bit technically inconvenient to have the old thread transferred on this new forum anytime soon.

I hope you'll not forget to continue contributing at the oasis also...;)
In case anybody else is wondering and want to participate, here is the link at the oasis thread:

To even be able to exist within this universe from a four dimensional perspective as a being or as anything else duality is needed. Without duality no contrast can exist. Contrast gives us the full spectrum of possibilities to explore this universe from our perspective of linearity.

As long as we limit our self to a four dimensional perspective of reality, captured is what we will be within this universe.

When we stop our act of thinking that we are our though, expansion beyond a four dimensional reality becomes possible. Actually we are already there, and yet our behavior belief system tells us something else. A reality beyond the four dimensional reality contains an eternal perspective on the linear prison.

Since thinking is a linear way of observing what really is going on thinking will be the moment 22 that stops you from expanding beyond this material reality.

The smarter you are, if smart is measured in IQ, the longer this process will take. IQ is based on thinking. IQ is based on a time/space reality. IQ has very little to do with thinking outside the box. IQ exist and is trapped within our time stamped left brain way of presenting our reality. We even call this way of thinking for a reality based on logic, hmm.

When we realize the timeless capacity that our right brain contains and is able to intermingle these two parts of our self then things that we used to “think” with our left brain no longer will be imprisoning us. This expansion will help us all to access the “being” aspect of who we also are. It is this aspect that will help us to expand out of a time/space reality into a quantum eternal view of how beautiful eternity actually can be and actually already is. A more expanded way of observing the reality releases the tensions that a time/space reality grips us with.

Once freed from this tension, a more expanded way of observing the reality from “outside the box” will help us to reclaiming our universe as the peaceful place that it actually is. This will happened when we all, from a more expanded understanding of how the reality connect the dots appear within us.

We will then realize that contrast no longer is needed as an egoistic tool to separate this universe. We will then realize that contrast when observed from a quantum state beyond time and space actually can heal our self within the box in the blink of an eye. This will then create not only peace on earth but peace in the entire 4 D universe for it then no longer is separated from the life outside the box.

9th April 2010 06:51

allhealing

Re: Enlightenment and related matters.

To even be able to exist within this universe from a four dimensional perspective as a being or as anything else duality is needed. Without duality no contrast can exist. Contrast gives us the full spectrum of possibilities to explore this universe from our perspective of linearity.

As long as we limit our self to a four dimensional perspective of reality, captured is what we will be within this universe.

When we stop our act of thinking that we are our though, expansion beyond a four dimensional reality becomes possible. Actually we are already there, and yet our behavior belief system tells us something else. A reality beyond the four dimensional reality contains an eternal perspective on the linear prison.

Since thinking is a linear way of observing what really is going on thinking will be the moment 22 that stops you from expanding beyond this material reality.

The smarter you are, if smart is measured in IQ, the longer this process will take. IQ is based on thinking. IQ is based on a time/space reality. IQ has very little to do with thinking outside the box. IQ exist and is trapped within our time stamped left brain way of presenting our reality. We even call this way of thinking for a reality based on logic, hmm.

When we realize the timeless capacity that our right brain contains and is able to intermingle these two parts of our self then things that we used to “think” with our left brain no longer will be imprisoning us. This expansion will help us all to access the “being” aspect of who we also are. It is this aspect that will help us to expand out of a time/space reality into a quantum eternal view of how beautiful eternity actually can be and actually already is. A more expanded way of observing the reality releases the tensions that a time/space reality grips us with.

Once freed from this tension, a more expanded way of observing the reality from “outside the box” will help us to reclaiming our universe as the peaceful place that it actually is. This will happened when we all, from a more expanded understanding of how the reality connect the dots appear within us.

We will then realize that contrast no longer is needed as an egoistic tool to separate this universe. We will then realize that contrast when observed from a quantum state beyond time and space actually can heal our self within the box in the blink of an eye. This will then create not only peace on earth but peace in the entire 4 D universe for it then no longer is separated from the life outside the box.

9th April 2010 08:06

greybeard

Re: Enlightenment and related matters.

Hi allhealing
I can see your point of view.
The mystics have always talked from a non-dualistic state so it is
possible to live in this 3d world any yet not need duality.
Dr Hawkins explained it best for me.
Darkness is not the opposite of light, there is a sliding scale from extremely bright light all the way down to dim light then absence of light.
Water H2O goes through various classes of existence -- steam at very high temperature--liquid--ice ant a lower temperature a sliding scale.
Its still H2O regardles.
With God its total Love---down to absence of love.
Evil is not the opposite of God but the denial of God -- denial of Love.
The mystic is in a no-mind state, there is no thought process just pure awareness. They just know that which supports life so there is no need for duality.
In a no mind state there is no desire so no need to create. Creation happens of its own potential
Nothing is causing anything else to happen
Causality is a an illusion of the ego
chris

9th April 2010 08:21

greybeard

Re: Enlightenment and related matters.

Quote:

Posted by truthseekerdan

Hey Chris,

Good to see that you re-started your thread here. I believe it's a bit technically inconvenient to have the old thread transferred on this new forum anytime soon.

I hope you'll not forget to continue contributing at the oasis also...;)
In case anybody else is wondering and want to participate, here is the link at the oasis thread:

Hi No worries my friend .
As though I would desert a good place to be.
Oasis is my home too.
Thanks for starting it Dan, much appreciated.
Chris

9th April 2010 09:45

Vidya Moksha

Re: Enlightenment and related matters.

Hi Chris
I didnt follow your thread on AV1... but looking in here. I can offer no help in 4D or 33D, i dont understand it.
I struggled a long time with the understanding and concept of ego. I used to want to 'lose' my ego, or 'defeat' it... until I began to realise that without ego I couldnt live. I now see ego, in simplistic terms, as the body. The body needs support in terms of food and water..but more than this also.
I see ego as separate from the mind. Ego is basic in its desires and needs, it is not intellectual or spiritual, it seeks to perpetuate what it is. It will therefore try to control the mind into giving it what it needs to sustain itself. When the 'mind' or 'soul' leaves the body then ego sees that as the end of itself...so in astral traveling one of the first lessons is to reassure the ego that its ok for the 'mind' (spirit, soul whatever label you want).. to leave the body, in fact, its more than ok. the mind leaving the body will in fact make the ego (body) a better place/thing after the mind has gone out and learned things that will be of benefit to the ego.
One useful trick is to recognise that .. 'this body is tired' or 'this body is hungry', to see the body as ego and to see the mind as separate from that body/ego.

so i like the title of the thread, to transcend ego is not to destroy a vital part of ourselves, as we are now in this incarnation of what we are NOW.. we are who we are and chose to be here for a reason.

Ego gives us direction and purpose on some levels and is a vital part of what we are at this present time.

thats my 2 cents anyway.... i dont have much more to add within my present awareness but will look in for other views

9th April 2010 12:27

greybeard

Re: Enlightenment and related matters.

A challenge for me, is the word co-creator.
co implies duality as in co-worker.
The ego loves to think it is creating.
We are unique and I believe that God creates through that uniqueness the great works of art and all that is good, yet we are not the doer as such.
We can improve upon our uniqueness and in this be better servants of Divine will, that is our potential to do so, but without God there is no individual creation.
I have never, any where read a Sage use the word co-creator, nor imply it.
all devotion is always to God.
The Course in Miracles says that specialness is the last resort of the ego.
Lucifer left heaven because he wanted to be special and probably though he could create better than God, so what have got on earth? but fallen consciousness creating havoc.
Not saying Im right but intuitively feel that this is so.
Chris
Namaste.

9th April 2010 12:34

stardustaquarion

Re: Enlightenment and related matters.

[QUOTE=greybeard;7810]Hi Stardustaquarian
Thank you for your post.

What you say is so and will take you so far but it will not lead to enlightenment.
However it is very helpful to tame the ego first and certainly life will be a lot easier when the ego is docile.
Only very high spiritual energy will assist the complete transcendence of ego.
That comes through aligning with Gods will.
The ego is not the enemy as such it is just an obstacle to attaining higher consciousness.
Its a bit like launching a space rocket in that the first stage drops away when it has served its purpose.
The ego was necessary to get the human race to this stage of evolution from a materialistic point of view, however it is a
a hindererence to evolving further spiritually and therefore fulfilling our true potential.
Chris[/QUOTE

I agree that you need using high spiritual energy which is why the Maharic Seal and all the flame body activations help. Not only they reset ones template to Sources aligment they also heal other environmental blockages. Working with 12 dimensional energies and beyond have been an incredible experience form me. It really moves you forward. But the EGO is part of ourselves and it needs healing otherwise we will leaving behind a part of ourselves that will force us to come back and back again into incarnation

The EGO originally was not intended as our enemy, it was our self presevation program to protect us against environmental dangers but all the cataclisms that happen here affected the EGO program which is the reason it needs healing

Fundamentally I think we agree in the same main points

Love

9th April 2010 12:44

greybeard

Re: Enlightenment and related matters.

Hi Vidya
I suggest that Higher self is actually looking after one.
Your are right that the human race would not have survived this far without ego for the reasons you have mentioned.
However that intellect that created many good snd useful things also created many that are not life supporting.
We are heading into a time of transition of consciousness in fact a new breed of human you could call Homo spiritus, that is a dfinition used by Dr David Hawkins in several books of his.
the publisher ishttp://www.veritaspub.com/
well worth a quick vist to the web page.\
thanks for your contribution.
Chris

9th April 2010 12:48

greybeard

Re: Enlightenment and related matters.

Hi Star
we are mainly in agreement and were aren't it matters not.
Thanks for posting
Chris

9th April 2010 13:08

frank samuel

Re: Enlightenment and related matters.

Hey mr. grey just stopping by to say hi. Maybe you'll make a video with you playing a few tunes on your guitar. I know this has nothing to do with the ego, but hey I like to hear you play a few tunes after all it is a part of the beauty that lies within your heart .;)

Have a great day to everyone !!!:thumb::wub:

9th April 2010 23:24

Vidya Moksha

Re: Enlightenment and related matters.

Quote:

Posted by greybeard

Hi Vidya
I suggest that Higher self is actually looking after one.

We are heading into a time of transition of consciousness in fact a new breed of human you could call Homo spiritus, that is a dfinition used by Dr David Hawkins in several books of his.
the publisher is

Chris

I quite agree about the higher self, i never mentioned that in my post.. isnt that separate from ego and mind? i always thought so. And we have many guides besides our higher selves, that much i know.

consciousness is always evolving. every day is a new day. no need to rename species yet i dont think :)

10th April 2010 00:21

Lucid Jia

Re: Enlightenment and related matters.

Good to see this thread over here. I very much enjoyed the original. Thanks Greybeard.

“It is the nature of the ego to take, and the nature of the spirit to share.”