its gunna be a terrible game. the Bengals are 2nd in the AFC in sacks. we already had a hard time stopping pass rushers. now, factor in the injured OLineman and Cassel will be killed. Stanzi better be on the active roster today. he might get his 1st playing time today.

I'm not sure that I'd term them gutless. This is a beaten football team. Beaten before they ever take the field. They have no confidence in themselves, in the coaches, in the gameplan, and certainly in the quarterback. They are just waiting for the house to fall in and it always does.

I imagine that will be a general housecleaning when the season is over.

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Reason: Got to read these posts before I hit send...there WILL be a general housecleaning.

My biggest fear is that Clark won't fire Pioli after the season and we'll be forced to keep dealing with his ********.

From an outsider's perspective I will say this; Pioli has done a pretty decent job of accumulating talent across the roster. They may not be playing well this year but the Chiefs have some damn good players. The big issue is the gamble he took on Cassell. He put all his eggs and that one basket and it has backfired immensely. For a lot of GMs they only get that one gamble. It will be interesting to see if Pioli is indeed fired as he probably should be. Hell, I'd take a good old school reunion and have him back in New England

I'm just not sure he should be the guy making all personnel decisions. QB and coaching seem to be the main problems and they are both decisions he has made. Very good scout and head of scouting, not a great overall GM

From an outsider's perspective I will say this; Pioli has done a pretty decent job of accumulating talent across the roster. They may not be playing well this year but the Chiefs have some damn good players. The big issue is the gamble he took on Cassell. He put all his eggs and that one basket and it has backfired immensely. For a lot of GMs they only get that one gamble. It will be interesting to see if Pioli is indeed fired as he probably should be. Hell, I'd take a good old school reunion and have him back in New England

I'm just not sure he should be the guy making all personnel decisions. QB and coaching seem to be the main problems and they are both decisions he has made. Very good scout and head of scouting, not a great overall GM

Branden Albert

Dwayne Bowe

Jamaal Charles

Brandon Flowers

Tamba Hali

Dustin Colquitt

Derrick Johnson

What do all of these player have in common? Non of them were drafted by Scott Pioli.

He has had a few hits like Justin Houston,Jon Asamoah and Ryan Succop, but a hell of alot more misses.

I'm not even going to give him Eric Berry who fell in his lap and Dexter McCluster has had his moments, but wasn't worth a high second round pick.

What do all of these players have in have in common? Non of them were draft by Scott Pioli.

He has had a few hits like Justin Houston,Jon Asamoah and Ryan Succop, but a hell of alot more misses.

I'm not even going to give him Eric Berry who fell in his lap and Dexter McCluster has had his moments, but wasn't worth a high second round pick.

I don't see how he doesn't get credit for the pick because he still had to make it. And it's not just in the draft either. Eric Winston was a great get and the Chiefs line is actually a strength. No GM inherits a team with no players. Pioli appears to have done a pretty decent job of adding talent to talent already there. If the Chiefs had a good QB they would be challenging the Broncos for the division. As a team they aren't that much better than the Chiefs but obviously there is a huge gap in QB play.

I don't see how he doesn't get credit for the pick because he still had to make it. And it's not just in the draft either. Eric Winston was a great get and the Chiefs line is actually a strength. No GM inherits a team with no players. Pioli appears to have done a pretty decent job of adding talent to talent already there. If the Chiefs had a good QB they would be challenging the Broncos for the division. As a team they aren't that much better than the Chiefs but obviously there is a huge gap in QB play.

NEPG?

One might think Pioli has done a good job of supplementing his inherited players, but one would be wrong. Winston, we all thought he would be a great get but he has been beaten like a government mule this year. I'm not willing to grant him Berry either as Berry has been terrible this year. Yes, he's coming off an ACL so I'm not panicking just yet, but I need to see him start to show some improvement.

Pretty much. You can't have your worst team in your fourth year. This team is drastically underperforming the awful team he inherited, and that is saying something. We are much worse than the 2009 team and it all comes back to Pioli.

From an outsider's perspective I will say this; Pioli has done a pretty decent job of accumulating talent across the roster. They may not be playing well this year but the Chiefs have some damn good players. The big issue is the gamble he took on Cassell. He put all his eggs and that one basket and it has backfired immensely. For a lot of GMs they only get that one gamble. It will be interesting to see if Pioli is indeed fired as he probably should be. Hell, I'd take a good old school reunion and have him back in New England

I'm just not sure he should be the guy making all personnel decisions. QB and coaching seem to be the main problems and they are both decisions he has made. Very good scout and head of scouting, not a great overall GM

i'm going to have to respectfully disagree with you. Scott Pioli has done close to nothing well while GM of the Kansas City Chiefs. let me explain.

seriously, look at that. i'm leaving out this years picks because they can niether help nor hurt him. its way to early on any of them. these drafts are full of unproductive players, players drafted way to early for their production, (and this is the worst one) players that are no longer on this team. the 2009 draft is damn near a complete waste. his good picks, in these 3 drafts, can be listed on 1 hand. Succop, Asamoah, Houston, and i'll throw in Berry just to save arguements. all the others shouldn't even be on an NFL roster. blame scouts, players or whomever. bottomline is Pioli's name is next to EVERYONE of those picks and they suck.

next is the QB problem. even you admitted that QB is a huge problem for the Chiefs. alot of us knew Cassel wasn't going to be the answer early on in his career here. this is where Pioli made his biggest mistake. he refused to ackowledge his mistake early on and continued to shove Cassel down everyones throat. it is well publicized that Haley didn't care for Cassel much and begged Pioli for a new QB. this was the beginning of the end of Haley's short tenure here. Pioli managed to oust Haley and blame him for most of the problems. it's clear, today that Haley wasn't near as much of the problem as some were led to believe. yet, another offseason with the promise of "QB competition" and Brady Quinn is the answer Pioli is looking for. come on. to a man, even today, i bet Pioli thinks Cassel can be a great QB. it isn't ever going to happen. it's to bad he stuck with him for to long and not having a good alternative. that might have saved his job.

next is the coaches. this staff has been a revolving door since his take over. fired OCs, DCs and HCs. no wonder some of the players are mailing it in this year. they can see the writing on the wall that everything is going to change, yet again. 2 failed HCs in 4 years. Haley failed in his opinion and Crennel has failed in everyones opinion. Clark Hunt has pointed to the Steelers as the benchmark for his franchise. this is as anti-Steelers as you get. heck, the Raiders think we change coaches to much.