There is no information gathered on paranirvana therefore we cannot understand it, therefore we must believe it as neutral because it has no reason to be either good or bad. Therefore every moment of happiness is good and every moment of suffering is bad.

seams like a logical jump to the end without much consideration for the beginning, considering there are worldly an spiritual pleasures

This offering maybe right, or wrong, but it is one, the other, both, or neither!Blog,-Some Suttas Translated,Ajahn Chah."Others will misconstrue reality due to their personal perspectives, doggedly holding onto and not easily discarding them; We shall not misconstrue reality due to our own personal perspectives, nor doggedly holding onto them, but will discard them easily. This effacement shall be done."

xtracorrupt wrote:There is no information gathered on paranirvana therefore we cannot understand it

Well. One can know that when one indulges in every form of happiness and seeks for worldly pleasures all the time, paranirvana will not be achieved. One can also get a brief glimpse of this supreme peace by means of practice.

xtracorrupt wrote:Therefore every moment of happiness is good and every moment of suffering is bad.

This is wrong view. I suggest you read some lecture on khamma to get a better understanding of what "good" and "bad" means in the buddhist context.

In my experience, even something that feels wonderful and perfect, something that makes you immeasurably happy, something seemingly purely pleasurable, even something like that will lead to stress and suffering if it is rooted in sensual desire. Something that feels that good at the time but opposes the precepts inevitably yields stress and suffering. In my experience, the more the precepts are abandoned, the worse the stress.

And the contrast between 'good' feelings and stress can be extremely large. Don't blindly pursue happiness, measure its origin against sila. You don't want to experience the depths of Dukkha that I did after pursuing what I thought was 'good' because of how it felt.

Cittasanto wrote:seams like a logical jump to the end without much consideration for the beginning, considering there are worldly an spiritual pleasures

I think spiritual pleasures are wordly pleasures, i was including worldy pleasures in my statement.

In this context i was using happiness as the state of well being

seams unnecessary to include two separate states in a definition when they are separate in the teachings found in Theravada.not all roads lead to Rome, and a belief leading to the defining that they do, is not helpful.

Edit - this is something another of your threads recognises.

This offering maybe right, or wrong, but it is one, the other, both, or neither!Blog,-Some Suttas Translated,Ajahn Chah."Others will misconstrue reality due to their personal perspectives, doggedly holding onto and not easily discarding them; We shall not misconstrue reality due to our own personal perspectives, nor doggedly holding onto them, but will discard them easily. This effacement shall be done."

xtracorrupt wrote:Therefore every moment of happiness is good and every moment of suffering is bad.

This is wrong view. I suggest you read some lecture on khamma to get a better understanding of what "good" and "bad" means in the buddhist context.

Best wishes,Alobha

Hi,

Alobha is right.

It is good to do good things and positive things in life but that won't free you from suffering. Only seeing the real nature of reality can free you.Doing good helps keep your mind wholesome and creates good kamma. With this wholesome mind you have to train it through meditation so you can gain wisdom and see the real nature of reality.

If you accept happiness than you will also have to accept suffering.There can not be one without the other.Happiness is measured against suffering.We live in a world of duality.

It is good to be happy when your happy but always keep in mind that if you attach yourself to it.crave all the things that make you happy.want it to stay like that forever.

and it changes..(and It will always change nothing stays the same)..what happens...

your sad! your in pain! your suffering!

The best thing is when your happy enjoy it but don't attach yourself to it..when your suffering acknowledge it as suffering..always find the middle path..aim for being content..happy or sad..doesn't matter..accept it.you will always have it with you until your reach the other shore.

xtracorrupt wrote:There is no information gathered on paranirvana therefore we cannot understand it

Well. One can know that when one indulges in every form of happiness and seeks for worldly pleasures all the time, paranirvana will not be achieved. One can also get a brief glimpse of this supreme peace by means of practice.

xtracorrupt wrote:Therefore every moment of happiness is good and every moment of suffering is bad.

This is wrong view. I suggest you read some lecture on khamma to get a better understanding of what "good" and "bad" means in the buddhist context.

Best wishes,Alobha

perhaps, but I think being attached to happiness can be seen as a good thing, because it will make that person strive towards this.

However delusion, could be seen as a hindrance towards enlightenemnemt, therefore this is where it comes to be very important in judging whether or not that persons delusion will cause good karma or bad karma, whether the happiness obtained is greater then the happiness possible without the delusion.

xtracorrupt wrote:There is no information gathered on paranirvana therefore we cannot understand it

Well. One can know that when one indulges in every form of happiness and seeks for worldly pleasures all the time, paranirvana will not be achieved. One can also get a brief glimpse of this supreme peace by means of practice.

xtracorrupt wrote:Therefore every moment of happiness is good and every moment of suffering is bad.

This is wrong view. I suggest you read some lecture on khamma to get a better understanding of what "good" and "bad" means in the buddhist context.

Best wishes,Alobha

perhaps, but I think being attached to happiness can be seen as a good thing, because it will make that person strive towards this.

However delusion, could be seen as a hindrance towards enlightenemnemt, therefore this is where it comes to be very important in judging whether or not that persons delusion will cause good karma or bad karma, whether the happiness obtained is greater then the happiness possible without the delusion.

yes to the object of pleasure.this however is not always skillful as you are clumping together both worldly & spiritual pleasure there in no judgement of direction only of "this is nice lets get more!"

This offering maybe right, or wrong, but it is one, the other, both, or neither!Blog,-Some Suttas Translated,Ajahn Chah."Others will misconstrue reality due to their personal perspectives, doggedly holding onto and not easily discarding them; We shall not misconstrue reality due to our own personal perspectives, nor doggedly holding onto them, but will discard them easily. This effacement shall be done."

"Monks, there are these four courses of action. Which four? There is the course of action that is unpleasant to do and that, when done, leads to what is unprofitable. There is the course of action that is unpleasant to do but that, when done, leads to what is profitable. There is the course of action that is pleasant to do but that, when done, leads to what is unprofitable. There is the course of action that is pleasant to do and that, when done, leads to what is profitable....

"Monks, there are these four courses of action. Which four? There is the course of action that is unpleasant to do and that, when done, leads to what is unprofitable. There is the course of action that is unpleasant to do but that, when done, leads to what is profitable. There is the course of action that is pleasant to do but that, when done, leads to what is unprofitable. There is the course of action that is pleasant to do and that, when done, leads to what is profitable....

Mike

when i say happiness i do not mean pleasure, i mean in terms of no suffering/delusion/greed