Well, here in Australia there are no prosecutions to speak of, no cancelling of accounts, no massive fines.

We still go to the movies, buy music and watch TV. (If the product is worth it, otherwise we don't and just download it for free). And if the movie and music companies don't like it they can jolly well root my manure encrusted Wellington boot.

Exchange is not return. Return means you no longer have the product and you have the cash paid refunded. Exchange is when you go in with the broken product and get the same product in working order. Apart from obvious damage the only way to determine if there is a fault on a DVD or Blu-ray (for example) is to watch it. If the dolby surround mix has been erroneously swapped with a stereo mix then there is a fault which requires a exchange.

That is how the terms work here, there are probably different ways of saying the same thing in the US, but I am sure the concept is similar if not identical.

Right. But you don't get the option to return it because you didn't like the content. You either stop buying content from that director/writer/author/actor/singer, or you seek other legal options. Friend, legally made samples from the internet, etc. You are literally buying the "experience," which isn't refundable / returnable, because you can't return you part of the arrangement._________________lolgov. 'cause where we're going, you don't have civil liberties.

Right. But you don't get the option to return it because you didn't like the content. You either stop buying content from that director/writer/author/actor/singer, or you seek other legal options. Friend, legally made samples from the internet, etc. You are literally buying the "experience," which isn't refundable / returnable, because you can't return you part of the arrangement.

But you can with clothes, electronics, in fact most things. Just not recorded media and games.

I heard btguard is a joint venture of the RIAA, MPAA, and the Obama Administration.

I heard that, in addition to monitoring everything, they seed corrupt files and made it slow as molasses in January, because those are the most cost-effective ways to reduce piracy._________________History teaches us that men and nations behave wisely once they have exhausted all other alternatives. -- Abba Eban

Exchange is not return. Return means you no longer have the product and you have the cash paid refunded. Exchange is when you go in with the broken product and get the same product in working order.

Huh. I always thought exchange was just exchanging the product for some other product from that store, not necessarily the same. Learn something every day._________________we are microsoft, lower your firewalls and surrender your pc's. we will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. your culture will adapt and service us. resistance is futile.

I always thought exchange was just exchanging the product for some other product from that store, not necessarily the same. Learn something every day.

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"Exchange" generally means to trade for something of equal value.

In retail, it means to return a product and receive a different one (which might a different instance of the same product, i.e., one that is not defective or one that is a different size) or it might be a different product of the same value.

A "refund" is where you return a product and receive the money you paid, or the same value in merchandise credit.

A "return" would be part of either procedure, and is the most common start point of the "reverse logistics" process._________________History teaches us that men and nations behave wisely once they have exhausted all other alternatives. -- Abba Eban

Exchange is not return. Return means you no longer have the product and you have the cash paid refunded. Exchange is when you go in with the broken product and get the same product in working order.

Huh. I always thought exchange was just exchanging the product for some other product from that store, not necessarily the same. Learn something every day.

Meh ok yes, but my point was not to educate anyone since I am not a teacher but to see if I could arrive on the same page as pjp. I don't think that's possible, because there is a definate gap in what I am trying to say and what pjp appears to hear. No matter, I will put it down to my own illiteracy.

I am currently debating joining btguard or a usenet group. I think I might go usenet. any thoughts?

What's the point of using btguard? I mean you might aswell just download stuff from oneclick-hosters and thelike.
Usenet can be compared to ftp sites or ochs. As long as you're just downloading nobody cares.

Usenet is pretty good. It has about 3 years of retention, then errors start to enter the equation. Torrent files go back longer, perhaps, but then one is relying on there being loads of seeds which for old files is normally a negative.

I use usenet for video files mostly and it rocks, the only downside is that pretty much any file over 20 megabytes is going to be a multi part "rar" file. I use PAN a gtk based client, but if you have KDE there's kwooty which unrars and checks the downloads automatically.

Usenet is pretty good. It has about 3 years of retention, then errors start to enter the equation. Torrent files go back longer, perhaps, but then one is relying on there being loads of seeds which for old files is normally a negative.

I use usenet for video files mostly and it rocks, the only downside is that pretty much any file over 20 megabytes is going to be a multi part "rar" file. I use PAN a gtk based client, but if you have KDE there's kwooty which unrars and checks the downloads automatically.

sounds good. do you mind letting us know with whom you subscribe? I guess it isn't important. I am sure they are all the same.

I see one, astraweb. $50 for 1000gigs. maybe i will just go $25 for 180. that will last me a bit.

Usenet is pretty good. It has about 3 years of retention, then errors start to enter the equation. Torrent files go back longer, perhaps, but then one is relying on there being loads of seeds which for old files is normally a negative.

I use usenet for video files mostly and it rocks, the only downside is that pretty much any file over 20 megabytes is going to be a multi part "rar" file. I use PAN a gtk based client, but if you have KDE there's kwooty which unrars and checks the downloads automatically.

sounds good. do you mind letting us know with whom you subscribe? I guess it isn't important. I am sure they are all the same.

I see one, astraweb. $50 for 1000gigs. maybe i will just go $25 for 180. that will last me a bit.

It's giganews, but it's a "value add" included with my ISP fees. I can download as much as I want, but there's an ISP "cap" per month and then they throttle the bandwidth. Such is the internet in Australia :/

I think it's possible with gnus, although that apparently means using emacs. I don't think gnus can grab binaries, though.

You may have specified an unmatched group of requirements here:
- text-based
- ssl
- grab binaries_________________History teaches us that men and nations behave wisely once they have exhausted all other alternatives. -- Abba Eban