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So, there are now two required pieces of reading, but the second is shorter than the first. Thanks for your valuable insights.

When I was in high school (a Catholic school I attended partly because the local public high schools were tainted by sexual abuse) we had a private afternoon screening at a local theater of "A Man for All Seasons." I have never forgotten the importance my teachers rightly attached to that film, and the chilling line about losing one's soul for something of no eternal significance.

Yes. The full interview is must reading. Exquisite insight and analysis.

But ...

What are we going to do about it? (Sorry for the Leninist tone of the question, but I can't help it.)

What I really draw from the whole brilliant interview is that the whole pro-life, pro-marriage movement in the US (and, for that matter even moreso, in Europe) needs to convert itself from an implicit to an explicit countercultural revolution.

And this countercultural revolution may take one of two forms -- both of which are visible already.

One is the form of withdrawal. In this form, the countercultural revolution returns to its "tribal" roots, constitutes itself as normative in opposition to the secular society and concentrates on building up a pro-life and pro-family culture.

The other form is the form of combat. In this form, our parishes, our schools, our universities, our dioceses -- the Holy See itself -- belong to us as precious accretions of Tradition. Our challenge is to discover what is the most prudent way for us to fight.

Personally, I opt for the second form. Although I am attracted to the first, I cannot forget that this (global) civilization has been formed (in the US, as in the rest of the US-inculturated world)by an impulse which seems to be irreformably anti-Christ.

Catholic Spain, today as yesterday, in the witness of its Catholic tradition in resistance to the enemies of the Catholic Thing, seems to be leading the way: