from the IRS:-we-won't-do-this-anymore,-but-probably-not-any-LESS,-either dept

Asset forfeiture finally found its way into the mainstream after years of coverage by media outsiders. The sudden increase in negative attention brought about some needed reform efforts. The DOJ issued new guidelines on civil asset forfeiture, as did the IRS, which announced it would no longer pursue seizure of funds under "structuring" statutes unless there was evidence the money came from criminal sources.

One of the victims of the IRS's bogus "structuring" seizures (made pre-policy shift) is Randy Sowers, a dairy farmer who had $63,000 seized by the agency in 2012. The cash came from sales made at local farmers' markets, but the IRS viewed it as a criminal act simply because Sowers never topped the magical $10,000 mark with his deposits.

While the couple was in the midst of settlement negotiations with the government, hoping to have most of their money returned, Randy Sowers spoke with a reporter from The City Paper in Baltimore, Md., about his experience with structuring and civil asset forfeiture.

On the day the article was published, Stefan Cassella, the assistant U.S. attorney overseeing Sowers’ structuring case, told the family’s lawyer he had a “problem” and was no longer willing to negotiate a settlement amount, according to court filings.

This attitude seems to be common to IRS prosecutors. They don't mind taking your money for the flimsiest of reasons and they don't mind fighting you every step of the way should you choose to challenge the seizure, but goddamn if it doesn't piss them off if you decide to discuss your situation in public.

If you'll recall, another victim of a bogus structuring seizure took his case (mostly anonymously) to a Congressional hearing. The prosecutor in that case reacted just as badly to the public airing of IRS-related grievances. He sent a letter to the Institute of Justice (which is representing the convenience store owner who had $107,000 seized by the IRS) that basically stated any publicity resulting from this would only harm this person's case. Because vindictiveness.

I do not know who did that, and I am accusing no one, but it was not from our office and could only have come from your clients. That was certainly not my intent in making this available. Whoever made [the document] public may serve their own interest but will not help this particular case…

Your client needs to resolve this or litigate it. But publicity about it doesn't help. It just ratchets up feelings in the agency.

The prosecutor then offered a take-it-or-leave-it deal of 50% of the seized cash back. C-store owner Lyndon McLellan chose the latter.

Sowers, however, did eventually settle with the IRS, receiving (coincidence?!) half of the seized funds. Why settle when you're clearly in the right? Because it's tough to run a business when your liquid assets have suddenly vanished. Half is better than nothing, especially if you want to remain solvent.

Now, he wants the other half. And he's brought backup.

A bipartisan group of lawmakers on the House Ways and Means Oversight Subcommittee is coming together to ask the Treasury Department to return nearly $30,000 it seized from Maryland dairy farmers in 2012.

The letter, sent August 11 to Treasury Secretary Jack Lew, calls on the agency to return $29,500 the Internal Revenue Service seized from Frederick-based dairy farmers Randy and Karen Sowers through civil asset forfeiture.

The lawmakers also asked Lew to review similar cases and return money seized by the tax agency under the practice.

The letter reminds the Treasury Department that the seizure program is in place to stop money laundering, drug trafficking and disrupt the funding of terrorist organizations. It is not just a quick and dirty way for the government to take money from cash-heavy businesses who frequently deposit cash in sub-$10,000 quantities. In many of these cases, it appears business owners have received bad advice from well-meaning family members or friends. In other cases, the bad advice comes from the bank employees themselves. What doesn't appear to be integral to these disputed cases is any link to criminal activity.

A very long petition for the return of the money has been lodged with the DOJ. It points out that under the agency's current rules, the sort of seizure they've experienced would not even be initiated. It also points out that the couple was apologized to by several members of the Congressional committee and the IRS Commissioner himself. And yet, the Treasury Department refuses to cede any ground on the other half of the Sowers' funds. Hopefully, a three-page letter from a bunch of legislators will compel the return of the Sowers' money -- something their 209-page complaint has yet to accomplish.

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The original excuse they used to justify it was drug related, taking away property and/or money gained from illegal actions, and you can be sure that anyone who challenged it would be accused of being pro-drugs and/or pro-crime by the numerous government and police agencies who use it to line their own pockets or pad out the budget.

Basically it hasn't been challenged because none of the politicians feel like committing professional suicide.

Re: Not just the IRS!

If they were to dig just a little I bet they would find that most of this comes from just a small number of people at the IRS.

I think you have not read up on how widespread the problem is. I can't say that everyone at the IRS does it, but I can say that I have read numerous reports of forfeiture-related abuses from non-IRS agencies. Firing people at the IRS is a nice idea (esp. if they deserve it, for example, for working for the IRS), but it's nowhere near a full solution.

Make them pay 100% penalties on top

If we owed money to the IRS, they would be adding penalties and interest. Do the exact thing back and compound it 100% a month that it goes unresolved. I am willing to bet the agencies losing their golden goose eggs will suddenly find they can return any suspect funds within the day.

Re: 5th Amendment

The part where it specifically lists how the rules don't apply to us obviously. Don't bother looking, our copy of the Constitution has a few 'tweaks' not in the public version, but trust us, it's just as, if not more, valid as the 'regular', un-classified version.

on the subject of Money Laundering

I notice that one of the supposed legitimate reasons for seizing money is cases of money laundering. The thing that disturbs me about this is that I have seen a number of instances that have happened in recent years where it is clear they've widened the definition of "money laundering" so far that it no longer has any meaningful distinction. It used to be that money laundering meant you had physical currency that had serial number on it that could be tracked along its path through the banking system, so criminal enterprises would take that block of money to an outside outfit that would switch that physical stack of folding money with another, same-value physical stack of folding money, which they could then spend freely without it being tracked, then that other outfit would take the original stack of currency and splatter the individual units of currency across 10,000 different, independent transactions so no two pieces of physical currency were spent at the same establishment. Now, they've slowly expanded the definition of it now so far that "money laundering" == "this outfit SPENT THE MONEY that we allege they gathered through criminal activity..." And yet the alleged criminal still gets the full legal punishment as if they DID do the above, switch-the-stacks-of-currency-to-lose-the-trackable-serial-numbers shenanigans, EVEN THOUGH THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS "CRIMINAL" DID. That way is the path to tyranny.

A bipartisan group of lawmakers on the House Ways and Means Oversight Subcommittee is coming together to ask the Treasury Department to return nearly $30,000 it seized from Maryland dairy farmers in 2012.

That right there is the problem; They're asking the treasury department to return the money that they stole.

Our government is supposed to have checks and balances to prevent any one portion from abusing their power, but as this incident proves, there are no meaningful checks or balances. One portion of the government abuses it's authority and all the rest of the government can do is send a strongly worded request and hope that they comply.

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That’s not at all what money laundering means. It has nothing to do with serial numbers or physically tracing fat stacks.

Basics of Money Laundering:

You receive a large amount of cash income from your criminal enterprise. You can’t use it to buy or invest in anything significant without raising red flags with the cops and/or taxman. You can’t just put it in the bank, because the bank has to report large deposits. Either way, the IRS will come around asking questions about where that money came from and why didn’t you declare it on your tax return. (Of course you couldn’t declare it, because you can’t account for how you got it without getting in even more trouble.)

So what you do is you open a legitimate business that routinely deals in a lot of smallish cash transactions — a strip club, a car wash, a pool hall, a bar — and you add chunks of your dirty money to the clean declarable income the front business brings in. If your bar legitimately grosses $50,000/month, it becomes $58,000, it’s not going to raise any eyebrows. Now your dirty money has a clean source that you can report on your tax return, and you’re free to spend how you like (minus Uncle Sugar’s cut.)

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"Fast and Furious" is on record, so there is no point in talking about "odds" here. Money stolen under the presumption of the "war on drugs" is being used to equip drug dealers with weapons and other benefits.

The question is not if this is done, but rather how much from illegal seizures goes into illegal ventures.

I'm a customer

When I buy from local companies, I like to spend cash, for the same reason I prefer taking cash, CC processing fees are outrageous for small businesses, an overhead expense nobody likes to pay. I generally buy from their local store, but my wife sometimes buys from their market stands. They have the best milk and ice cream I've ever consumed, and their other local farm products are great too!

Re: I'm a customer

This is why I'm thinking they are using CAF in order to force us to a credit/debit card society. Where all transactions are logged in databases, and the Big Banks (that the government is beholden to) get their 2-3% cut of everything.

Re: I'm a customer

"When I buy from local companies, I like to spend cash"

Me too, and not just for local companies, but for all companies. Using a card at a store is essentially the same as using an affinity card (which I avoid like the plague): it's one of the primary ways that stores spy on you.

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Random Conspiracy Theorist: I don't think your hat is too snug. I've marveled at people who insist on using a debit card for one dollar transactions. I've never understood the reasoning why one cannot carry a few dollars of cash for such transactions. And it's getting worse: the past few years I've seen debit/credit card readers installed on water dispensing machines. Yes, those 25 cents per gallon machines for one and five gallon jugs!

Re: Re: I'm a customer

What sinister purposes do you imagine a grocery store has in spying on the highly classified data of items you buy from that very store itself?

“That John Fenderson sure is buying a lot of ham lately… Let’s blackmail him by threatening to pass this info on to his Orthodox rabbi”

Believe me, nobody cares about tying your groceries to your real identity. My Safeway card has a made-up phone number and for some reason thinks my name is Mariana Ramos. The only reason they keep track is so they can try to sell you more stuff. If ham consumers statistically tend to also buy eggs or Swiss cheese, the store guesses you’d be interested in those products too and prints out special coupons to entice you. That’s all. Without the affinity card data you get no coupons, or random coupons for things you have no interest in.

Criminal = DOJ

DOJ flunkies like Stefan Cassella don't like the publicity because it makes them looks like the criminal organizations they purport to be against. Instead, they seize money from honest businesses then force them to litigate to get their own money back. If it wasn't the DOJ doing it, it would be called an extortion business. Instead we get DOJ flunkies like Stefan Cassella who act like 2nd grade turds who steal other kids lunch money. Douchebags

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"What sinister purposes do you imagine a grocery store has in spying"

Who said I thought they had a sinister purpose? Their purpose is obvious: marketing. That doesn't make it any less spying, though.

Also, that data has been used for sinister purposes. There have been cases where customers have sued stores and the stores have brought up their purchasing history in an attempt to smear their character ("this guy buys an awful lot of beer...")

Also also, it's a dead certainty that that data is being provided to others, where it is combined with all the other data gathered about you, which amounts to an extreme and dangerous invasion of your privacy.

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You DO NOT rock the boat, if you're a practicing lawyer. And if you are your own advocate, the judges (read: attorneys) pretty much find any excuse to dismiss your 'wild and unfounded claims'. Any mistake and you're sharkchow, and that's if the judge is trying to be fair. Watch the scene in the movie Selma where they do a 'voter intelligence test' for a dramatized version of how this works. This is how the system works when you're not a chosen one, whatever that means in the specific time and place.

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They probably have some nice skeletons in their closets. A sex scandal or two would clean out some petty people. Spending a few hours a week after hours with a coworker? A little too friendly with the family dog? Like to share legally questionable pictures of your kids? You don't need better lawyers, you need better private eyes! Best part is because it's considered blackmail to keep this secret, you can 'leak' this information all over the web without a guilty conscious!

Too bad that psychopaths (Look up the medical definition) don't learn from punishment of themselves and only poorly of others. If they keep their jobs, they'll just get more vicious when called out on this nonsense. This is morally no different than Indian women being intimidated into not filing rape charges. Abuse like this is vile and if left unchecked, only gets more brazen.

Re: Re: on the subject of Money Laundering

One trick is to deliberately have a business where people can pay way more than something is worth, using cash. Say, the most expensive dry cleaner in town, a video arcade, 'accidentally' playing poor at a casino, pawn shops (reason many places make you provide ID for larger purchases but they don't check too hard - they all have cameras though), weapons (you trade your drugs for guns thus avoiding the cash issue in first place), and so on. These are all small potatoes compared to getting government contracts, though. You can literally 'lose' billions that way, and best of all, it's legal.