Comments on: Libya’s Blood for Oilhttp://dissidentvoice.org/2011/03/libyas-blood-for-oil/
a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justiceSat, 27 Sep 2014 17:28:19 +0000hourly1http://wordpress.org/?v=4.1.1By: jayn0thttp://dissidentvoice.org/2011/03/libyas-blood-for-oil/#comment-82763
Wed, 30 Mar 2011 13:36:24 +0000http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=31354#comment-82763Another argument used by lazy leftists is that the West’s interference is ‘hypocritical’ because it intervened in Libya but not Bahrain, both oil states. Deadbeat: yes I think the ZPC is the most economical explanation of the facts – I’ve been arguing it for years. I just said we have to test it by looking for counter-examples. Don’t be so touchy, me old mate.

“The Tunisa/Egypt ops set the stage for the ones in Libya and likely Syria, if things go as planned” is a classic example of an untestable conspiracy theory. Suppose these countries were intervened in in a different order, or at a different time – then ‘hayate’ could just rearrange his sentence. Another thing wrong with this kind of lazy pseudo-science is that it’s demoralising – we are always the victims of so-called ‘plans’ and ‘ops’.

The not-lazy not-leftist born-into-a-successful-culture jaynot obviously loves the type of “arguments” one of his soul brothers presented here one day: That Cuba is the proof (or “test/confirmation”) of the weakness of the US empire.
Btw, the following “difference” is telling (though it is not of the “scientifically unfalsifiable” kind):
Why Bahrain is Different
[http://thepassionateattachment.com/2011/03/28/why-bahrain-is-different/]

]]>By: hayatehttp://dissidentvoice.org/2011/03/libyas-blood-for-oil/#comment-82752
Wed, 30 Mar 2011 05:02:07 +0000http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=31354#comment-82752In regard of the ziofascism, inc. desire for Syria, see this report on how the Jewish owned and run zionist corporate media is falsifying news from Syria in order to garner support for war against this country:

Media Disinformation: The Protest Movement in Syria Western Media Coverage of the Events in Daraa

by Michel Chossudovsky

March 28, 2011

(intro)

“Presented below are four reports of the same protest movement in the Southern Syrian city of Daraa, Associated Press, The Guardian, Israeli National News, Ya Libnan (Lebanese News).

Spot the difference.”

[http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=24016]

The genocidal things are no different from nazis, they are war criminals of the worst, most destructive sort and should be be treated as nazis were – in Eastern Europe right after WW2.

]]>By: hayatehttp://dissidentvoice.org/2011/03/libyas-blood-for-oil/#comment-82748
Wed, 30 Mar 2011 03:10:37 +0000http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=31354#comment-82748Actually, the zionists/israelis are intending to go after Syria. I’ve seen some of the preliminary propaganda for this in the jewish run, zionist corporate media.

It’s a matter of timing.

The Tunisa/Egypt ops set the stage for the ones in Libya and likely Syria, if things go as planned. So far, nothing has really changed in Tunisia and Egypt, despite all the hoopla. That was the plan. Both of those “new” guvs are supporting israeloamerican/eu ops against Libya. The current “protests” in Syria are more of the same ziofascism, inc. duplicity as what is going on in Libya, though not as far advanced. Syria stands in the way of “greater israel”, and was one of the original targets laid out in the ziofascist “manifesto”.

Why is the USA currently attacking Libya, and not Syria, which is also having protests, and is in the Zionist crosshairs more than Libya?

And your point is? What is your question suppose to test? The fact fact that the ZPC went after Libya over Syria means what to you? I really don’t see what “theory” you are trying to prove.

What I have disproven is that the War on Libya is NOT for oil since the oil companies response was due to changes in the disclosure laws. Those disclosure laws was passed by a Congress with a HOST of evidence that show the Congress is heavily cowed and dominated by Zionist POWER.

Are you suggesting that the Congress is NOT dominated by Zionist power because that is the inference of your remarks unless you can demonstrate something else jay.

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Wed, 30 Mar 2011 00:35:39 +0000http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=31354#comment-82741Lazy leftists test their theories by looking for confirmation. They notice that the USA invaded Iraq on ‘humanitarian’ grounds, but ignored Rwanda. Iraq has oil, Rwanda not, so they say ‘see – war for oil!’. But you test a theory by looking for counter-examples. The US is on good terms with Saudi Arabia, on bad terms with Iran, and has raped Iraq. It was happy with Saddam Hussein, then not. Gaddafi too. There is no correlation between quantity of oil and quantity of US government support.

Deadbeat is much closer to an explanation, but we should also try to test the ‘Zionist Power Configuration’ theory. Why is the USA currently attacking Libya, and not Syria, which is also having protests, and is in the Zionist crosshairs more than Libya?

Last October, US oil giants— Chevron and Occidental Petroleum— made a surprising decision to pull out of Libya, while China, Germany and Italy stayed on, signing major contracts with Gaddafi’s government

Then the question remain why would China and Russia not use their veto power in the UNSC in order to prevent a NATO invasion at least just to protect thier interests in the region? Clearly they knew an abstention would open the door for a NATO attack on Libya.

Then I found this interesting piece of information …

Oil Companies That Gave ‘Bonuses’ To Libya Also Lobbied Against Disclosure Rules
[http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/03/oil-companies-that-gave-bonuses-to-libya-also-lobbied-against-disclosure-rules.php]

In 2008, Occidental Petroleum, based in California, paid a $1 billion “signing bonus” to the Libyan government as part of 30-year agreement. A company spokesman said it was not uncommon for firms to pay large bonuses for long-term contracts. … The year before, Petro-Canada, a large Canadian oil company, made a similar $1 billion payment after Libyan officials granted it a 30-year oil exploration license, according to diplomatic cables and company officials.

Apparently this was common practices in Libya as these fees were not just directed to U.S. and U.K. firms. Canadaian firms apparently had to pay such fees as well. I would extrapolate that all foreign firms paid such fees.

Also further in the article we find this interesting piece of information …

The Dodd-Frank financial reform bill includes a disclosure rule that would require such payments to be disclosed to the Securities and Exchange Commission. Occidental Petroleum was one of several companies that lobbied against that rule. Oil companies have argued that the disclosure law will hurt their competitiveness and perhaps violate laws in the countries they are dealing with.

So Occidential Petroleum withdrew from Libya right about the time the Dood-Frank-Zio-inspired disclosure rules were being implemented against the oil companies in order to pressure U.S. oil firms OUT of Libya. This then confirms exactly what Dr. James Petras says about the power of the Zionist Power Configuration hold over the use of the U.S. government power over the “corporations” especially the oil industry trying to do business in the Middle East.

Thus I have to conclude that this article is designed exactly as Michael Kenny suspects, to promote the “War for Oil(tm)” canard and divert attention away from Zionist dominance of U.S. Middle East policy.

]]>By: SLindauerhttp://dissidentvoice.org/2011/03/libyas-blood-for-oil/#comment-82723
Tue, 29 Mar 2011 17:05:26 +0000http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=31354#comment-82723I don’t recall that Israel appears in this story. Nope, it doesn’t. This is a historical backgrounder that reveals new information about Gadhaffi’s recent actions related to Lockerbie & the oil industry, and how that probably provoked the United States, Britain & European. I stand by that. And by the way, I have sources of my own that confirm the presence of intelligence ops & advance military operatives in Libya a week after the rebellion started. And some of these people got captured. That’s been reported in the European & Arab press.
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Tue, 29 Mar 2011 16:54:04 +0000http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=31354#comment-82720Wow, the Lobby is getting desperate! This re-hashes practically the whole bag of propaganda lines: war for oil, planned in advance, hundrreds of soldiers on the ground whom nobody has seen etc. What a disaster this is for Israel! The US get manoeuvred into a war by France for electoral purposes. The fear of a flood of illegal immigrants brings a few other European countries on board. There is no US interest at stake. “Worse”, there is no Israeli interest at stake and it’s all happening on Israel’s doorstep to boot! Obama clearly wants no part of it, he dithers, then jumps in and now manifestly wants out again ASAP. France wants to command. No, the US has to command! No, NATO has to command but under a Canadian officer, Quebecois judging by his name. But NATO is only commanding part of the operation. No, wait a minute, it’s commanding all of it. And Ms Lindauer would have us believe that this shambles was planned! But of could, it had to be planned. America rules the world and nothing can happen without orders from Washington. That has to be true because if it were not, Israel wouldn’t win. And Israel always has to win!
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