No offence, but in the event (and no, it's not going to happen you paranoid fucks) that the American government started killing off Americans, I imagine the world (no offence again to you intelligent souls) would be quite happy about it.

No i understand that it is semi automatic. What I'm saying is if you have a hunting rifle with a 5 round clip compared to a guy with an AR with a 20 round clip then there is no human way you get off 20 rounds as fast as him.

Plus bolt action hunting rifles are not just a point and shoot you obviously take your eye off the sight to chamber another round. an "Assault" rifle you just point and keep shooting.

My semi-auto 30-06 has a 10 round capacity, and I can buy an extended mag that holds 20 rounds. This thing is designed to drop a buck at 50+ yards and will spit bullets as fast as I can pull the trigger.

There is no "feel good" legislation that is going to do anything to stop nuts from being nuts. We had a law regulating magazine capacities (Brady bill) that didn't do squat.

I'll say it again, this is a social issue that can not be regulated away. Until the U.S. realizes this, we will continue to have these kind of problems. As a society we need to focus on parenting, education, mental health, and creating opportunities for people to make a stable life for themselves and their families. When you have large groups that are unstable, depressed, or plain 'ol bat shit crazy that have no focus, no real reason to go on, it's inevitable that a percent of those are going to snap. Limiting the number of bullets that can be fired without re-load (think DC sniper) or the type of gun those bullets are fired out of, will do nothing to stop this.

In the analogy above he used illegal drugs as an example, and that wasn't good enough...well here's one. How long do you think it would take me to purchase an illegal firearm? About an hour. Snowolf touched on it a few pages ago, we do need to regulate the sales of all firearms. The private sale of guns in this country is out of control, if I can't buy a gun in a shop from a dealer, all I have to do is go to a gun show and buy from a private party, no forms, no questions, no background check, nothing, count my cash and out the door I go with whatever. To me that's way more of a problem then what a rifle looks like or how many shots I can get off before reloading.

You saying you know more about America then someone who was born and raised here is stupid. You know what you read in the papers, see on the news, or read on the internet. So you've visited here? Big deal, you saw one small cross section of the U.S. and from your description you must have been hanging out with some thug life wanna-be's, other then my former profession I have never had a gun pulled on me in 43 years of living here. Someone who grows up in NYC is going to have a different view of America then someone who grows up in the mid west.

Oh..and..you wanted a reason to not ban certain types of firearms? Here's the main one(besides it not doing anything to stop these things)

We have armed bands of kooks running around this country who WILL resist. They are hard right fanatics that will fight for their perceived rights. It maybe a bloodbath but how many police officers do we sacrifice for a law that won't do anything? Do you really think that the militia types are just going to hand over their hardware? What about the violent street gangs that control large parts of our inner cities? How many innocents do you think will get caught in the crossfire? How many law abiding citizens will try to keep what they have, thus becoming criminals by default?

I know you don't like any analogies, but let's look at the war on drugs. It's a complete failure, it has ruined countless lives, cost billions, is responsible for millions being jailed to the point of overcrowding so they let real criminals out early to make more room for drug offenders. Now what is a war on assault rifles going to do? If we treated drug addiction as a social problem, and focused more on rehabilitation it would solve a lot more of the problems then this silly "war"

well dumbass, read what you just quoted. no one knows. you think it would be the same as rwanda or fucking somalia???? yeaaaaaaaaaa ok. you're not even worth the facepalm gif. great exercise in hyperbole tho.

if you think the world will sit idly by when a government kills 10-50 million people or so i think you are insane.

The world has sat idly and watched the Cuban Missle Crisis, China's bloody Cultural Revolution, Cambodia's Killing Fields, Rawanda, Vietnam, the Falkland Island War, 9/11 and the devasation of New Orleans. Frankly, in the event of a US civil war, most of the world would either shrug their shoulders or actively applaud.

No one is going to stick their military nose into US domestic issues to save anyone on either side until they know who is going to win.

well dumbass, read what you just quoted. no one knows. you think it would be the same as rwanda or fucking somalia???? yeaaaaaaaaaa ok. you're not even worth the facepalm gif. great exercise in hyperbole tho.

Classic case of inflated sense of self-worth.

But if you entertain even cursory notions that the world is going to the trouble of messing with a nation with such nuclear and overall military capability as US's just because of the looming threat of civil war then I suggest repeating a grade school history course and this time actually paying attention. Speak about being a dumbass...

My semi-auto 30-06 has a 10 round capacity, and I can buy an extended mag that holds 20 rounds. This thing is designed to drop a buck at 50+ yards and will spit bullets as fast as I can pull the trigger.

Which is why Australia banned all semi automatics, and it has worked for us. In fact you may not own a weapon that holds more than 3 rounds, unless you are an olympic shooter or something like that. And i believe there are some exceptions depending on if you live out in the sticks.

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Originally Posted by JeffreyCH

I'll say it again, this is a social issue that can not be regulated away. Until the U.S. realizes this, we will continue to have these kind of problems. As a society we need to focus on parenting, education, mental health, and creating opportunities for people to make a stable life for themselves and their families. When you have large groups that are unstable, depressed, or plain 'ol bat shit crazy that have no focus, no real reason to go on, it's inevitable that a percent of those are going to snap. Limiting the number of bullets that can be fired without re-load (think DC sniper) or the type of gun those bullets are fired out of, will do nothing to stop this.

Some really good and valid points, education is key, parenting and mental health issues is also something that needs to take the bulk of the responsibility.

Where you are wrong is that you assume that limiting the guns and mag capacities wont do anything. Well it will do something, it will stop the average joe who wants to murder a lot of people from obtaining these weapons EASILY. Good for you and your contacts for illegal guns, I'm sure most people could scrounge one up if they had to. The point is that most citizens who are law abiding will not pursue this.

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Originally Posted by JeffreyCH

You saying you know more about America then someone who was born and raised here is stupid. You know what you read in the papers, see on the news, or read on the internet. So you've visited here? Big deal, you saw one small cross section of the U.S. and from your description you must have been hanging out with some thug life wanna-be's, other then my former profession I have never had a gun pulled on me in 43 years of living here. Someone who grows up in NYC is going to have a different view of America then someone who grows up in the mid west.

Well i lived there, I frequent there every year, I am married to an American, i have spent time in 40 of the 50 states, I went to college there and am as well educated as I can be. I have lived in Europe, Asia, North America and Australia, worked in all of those continents and raised my family in most of them.

SO YEAH i would say i know more than many people born and raised there. Shit i will guarantee it. MOST Australians know more about the US than US citizens know about the rest of the world. As you stated it is about education and sorry to say the US education system leaves a hell of a lot to be desired.

And before you ask, i was on scholarship for basketball which is why i went to Uni there, otherwise i would have completed my studies here. (Which i have done a masters since returning).

No I didn't hang out with some "thug life" wanna be's, i was in a town called Lafayette Louisiana, where most people hunted on the weekends and carried pistols in their cars. Oh the gun pulling was in Denton texas (hardly a big city or gang controlled NYC).