Get rid of the deserter debuff?

Post by leandar

After yet another wasting 15 minutes in AV when ally cant even get galv dead and everone is fighting at stonehearth. There was only 5 of us at galv. I decided it was worth it so left. So now I'm stuck waiting to do a BG for 15 minutes jjust because a raid cant kill 5 people defending galv. Why dont blizz only give you the debuff when you go afk but if you click leave battleground you dont?

Post by Archz

stops people, like yourself from seeing they are going to lose and just /afk and leaving and BG hoping till they find a group which looks like its going to win.

Its worked well, and I love commng from a 6 Horde 15 Alliance start and pulling ahead and actually winning, where as with before the Deserter buff, them 6 Horde would have left and requed and the the alliance lose out to.

Its for the better, beleive me.

Post by 3xitium

stops people, like yourself from seeing they are going to lose and just /afk and leaving and BG hoping till they find a group which looks like its going to win.

Its worked well, and I love commng from a 6 Horde 15 Alliance start and pulling ahead and actually winning, where as with before the Deserter buff, them 6 Horde would have left and requed and the the alliance lose out to.

Its for the better, beleive me.

Far better if your selfish, would you want to sit in a BG when it's 15 horde vs 6 alliance, dam you struggle hardcore with 15 horde v 15 alliance. Put yourself in other people's position before you start saying it's better, because it aint, there is no way in hell you'd be saying deserter was for the better if you often found yourself in 15 vs 6. You'd be praying for it to be removed.

Post by fenom

the debuff should stay because a debuff is much less annoying then what would happen if anyone could just leave and rejoin, don't like group compostion, hmmm I'll just leave.... So I am glad there is a debuff, though there should be something of a quickeend timer with less people or something. But with no side effect to afking it would make BGs a huge pain

Post by 3xitium

the debuff should stay because a debuff is much less annoying then what would happen if anyone could just leave and rejoin, don't like group compostion, hmmm I'll just leave.... So I am glad there is a debuff, though there should be something of a quickeend timer with less people or something. But with no side effect to afking it would make BGs a huge pain

Good idea, I don't see why we discuss things like this for a start because it's pointless and Blizzard don't listen to a thing we say. But say you leave a full BG you get the full 15 m debuff.But say if you leave when it says not enough players, the game will end in 5 minutes, you get no de-buff.And finally if it's ike 15 v 6, you recieve no debuff. That way people can leave the game when it's unfair without punishment because I believe that's wrong.

Post by fenom

yeah a scaled debuff may offer the best of both worlds. As the more I think about it a shortened game time would probably lead to people figuring out how to abuse the system for faster token farming

Post by tayharri

The Deserter Debuff is a great way to weed out the cowards.The idea behind a battleground is, first and foremost, to fight for your faction (Horde / Alliance).When you win for your side, you get rewarded with honor.

A Battleground is a WAR. You leave the WAR and comeback when it's more suiting for you, than you are a coward. It is honorable to fight to the end, this is why you get credited for at least some honor points and a medal for your efforts.

A far more realistic approach, and I'm not saying this would be a good idea or not, would be to remove honor for those who quit. (Leave or AFK)

Post by Ariiez

Wow qq to all the people who say deserter isn't fair.

Good idea, I don't see why we discuss things like this for a start because it's pointless and Blizzard don't listen to a thing we say.

Blizzard does listen. If you start a movement on their forums, they will notice as they have in the past. If you don't want to do that you could always wine on a forum where no one from blizzard can hear you, and you can continue to complain how (insert qq here) is so unfair to you.

Back to the deserter debuff. Personally I'm trying but I can't figure out why a person would want to leave a bg? You take very little gear dmg, even if you loose you get a mark and honor which leads to gear. So your just crying because you did probably go AFK and got kicked. If you didn't and you actually left the BG then shut up, you debuffed yourself. Lets all cry about it whaaaaaa

A far more realistic approach, and I'm not saying this would be a good idea or not, would be to remove honor for those who quit. (Leave or AFK)

Thats not actually a bad idea.

Post by leandar

The Deserter Debuff is a great way to weed out the cowards.The idea behind a battleground is, first and foremost, to fight for your faction (Horde / Alliance).When you win for your side, you get rewarded with honor.

A Battleground is a WAR. You leave the WAR and comeback when it's more suiting for you, than you are a coward. It is honorable to fight to the end, this is why you get credited for at least some honor points and a medal for your efforts.

A far more realistic approach, and I'm not saying this would be a good idea or not, would be to remove honor for those who quit. (Leave or AFK)

You shouldnt be runing the war for your own side either but people do that. Maybe if you could flag somone for treason like afk and then all their stats were reduced by 50%. I wouldnt mind if honor was removed frommm that BG, usually if im leaving its because we only got about 80 or less and nobody is trying to get towers for more.

Post by Boorah

There is a reason to wish there were no deserter debuff from a reasonable person. You do enough BGs, and yoo'll find yourself in a WSG, or AV, that never, never, never ends. If you've got an hour slotted for BGs, it's not unreasonable to want to get 2 or 3 in. I have seriously stuck it out in a WSG that went on for over an hour. The first 20 minutes were fun, the next 10 were because I didn't want the debuff and was hoping it'd end, and the last 30+ were just plain masochism.

However, the reasons for the debuff are stronger. It needs to be there.

It makes you choose, stay with the BG or wait 15 minutes. I've done both at times.

Post by Boorah

The Deserter Debuff is a great way to weed out the cowards.The idea behind a battleground is, first and foremost, to fight for your faction (Horde / Alliance).When you win for your side, you get rewarded with honor.

A Battleground is a WAR. You leave the WAR and comeback when it's more suiting for you, than you are a coward. It is honorable to fight to the end, this is why you get credited for at least some honor points and a medal for your efforts.

A far more realistic approach, and I'm not saying this would be a good idea or not, would be to remove honor for those who quit. (Leave or AFK)

In general, I agree.

I have done so many BGs, though, and the truth is if you're playing them right, there is supposed to be a little teamwork and plan.

If you've never been in the WSG where the majority of players on both sides just want to farm kills, kudos to you. That kind of thing just isn't fun, and IMO is against the spirit of a BG. I'll take part in it, but after 45 minutes, it gets real, real old. I can and have left those, and I'm not "coward". When I want world PvP, I go world PvP.

BTW - You know in most WARs, quite often neither side fights to the bitter end, and retreating to come back when it better suits you is quite common. Discretion is the better part a valor didn't come about because it sounds pretty.

Post by jure12

stops people, like yourself from seeing they are going to lose and just /afk and leaving and BG hoping till they find a group which looks like its going to win.

Post by dartkun

And finally if it's ike 15 v 6, you recieve no debuff. That way people can leave the game when it's unfair without punishment because I believe that's wrong.

You may believe it's wrong, but what's the point, wouldn't all the people who are underhanded just leave, thus making the game even more underhanded, so that when more people join, they go "OMG we only have 3 members!?" and thus make them leave. Thus making the game end due to lack of players.

Your argument is, "I don't like our chance at winning, we should be able ditch and find a group that has a better chance"

There is an easier way to fix that, and until the game has 8/10 (in WSG for example) players for each side minimum, the game won't start.

I've seen games where 1 side was underhanded, but every BG (maybe not AV) has a chance to come back, and if you are confident enough in your team's skill, they can win it, no matter how bad the start was.

Post by SpecimenNo666

Yeah Agreed, The debuff is there for a reason, if your afk, Well your not doing anything, Get out. Thats agreeable. If you yourself choose to leave cause OMG look 40 alliance - 15 horde! (The AVs I had to put up with in the 51-60 bracket on Ursin's battlegroup, yes Im horde.) then your just whining cause its unfair, Omg the big bad people at blizzard are trying to make us lose /quitBG which you deserve I mean you ruin the game for your team and the other team. The only reason you should leave a battleground, is to join a different one already queued (in which case there is no Debuff) or cause you have something else to do like an instance group or something which would make the debuff meaningless anyway.

Post by Hakse

Its a poison effect so use abolish poison or any other anti poison abbility

Post by tomasvalheru

Its a poison effect so use abolish poison or any other anti poison abbility

rofl, keep on dreaming.

To OP, so you hate loosing and you want only play when you're sure, you're winning.Well no matter what system will be implemented, your dream will be true:coz in order to someone to win, someone has to loose.

Post by hatman555

I'm with ya.

I think the debuff is too long.

I just got kicked because someone reported me afk at the very start of a bg. I didn't even have the chance to get that 1 kill in that 1 min cause it's over 130 before you get out of the gates.