The United Kingdom has more foreign doctors than all other European countries for which figures are available (Ireland, France, Germany, Norway, Portugal, Italy, Austria and Poland)...European countries with the highest percentage of doctors working abroad are Ireland (47.5%, or 10,065 doctors) and Malta (23.1%, 376 doctors).

There is a lot of wiggle room in there, but I think if all English doctors came here, England would beat Ireland in the second statistic. And if England were so bad, the "foreign doctors" would come here instead, so the UK would not be winning in the first statistic.

A fun Google search is "usa founders against religion". Contrary to Evangelical mythology, few of our Founders were practicing Christians, and more than a few had very bad things to say about theocracy. They were a little before Robespierre, but still closer historically to high points of Western culture like John Calvin burning political enemies at the stake in Geneva. Not to mention the Salem witch trials. I wonder if the Adams boys were embarrassed about that one.

> it argues that secular societies are more successful than religious ones.

It's an indication of how thoroughly the nuts are winning that we even find such a claim notable,

Yeah, no kidding. I think the writers of the Constitution were majority deist/atheist ... although admittedly most of those were deists. In a modern, scientific age, though, most of those deists would be atheists.

And those who were Christian were mostly against theocracy, after seeing what it was like in Europe.

> Episcopal minister Bird Wilson of Albany, New York, protested in October 1831:"Among all our presidents from Washington downward, not one was a professor of religion, at least not of more than Unitarianism."

Ownership or regulation, by the community as a whole, of the means of production, distribution, and exchange is not even vaguely synonymous with "government ownership of all the property," as you said earlier.

Is this what you advocate Joseph P?

Go and reread the second to last paragraph of my last post. I don't think you got it the first time.