Originally posted by BeemerBuddy
My Favorite is the e30, nothing beats a clean E30.

Sure, there is, an E36 beats an E30 anytime!*th-up*

BMW_M52_M20

12-12-2002, 12:42 AM

AGREED! The e36 is the best in my opinion, superior to the e30, and the e46 just doesn't seem as sporty for me. But hey, a bimmer is a bimmer!
Jay

BeemerBuddy

12-12-2002, 12:43 AM

i meant overall appearance and i think jeremys, randys or robs car would take yours anyday:P *th-up*

BMW_M52_M20

12-12-2002, 12:48 AM

I don't care if there car would take mine anyday! I am not prepeared or have that kind of money to drop in my car, but if I did, It would take theres.

Lil'Smoothie

12-12-2002, 12:50 AM

e30 hands down, e36 just dosnt feel sporty, feels like a family car I dont like it

BeemerBuddy

12-12-2002, 12:54 AM

jay i didnt mean ur car i was bugging mkgino but you guys both have nice cars and i didnt mean to offend anyone:)

330DTM

12-12-2002, 12:55 AM

E36 all the way!!!!
I love the styling of it.
Give me an E46 M3 and I'll sell it the next day to buy an E36 M3 same goes with if I was given an E30 M3 :P

I personally love the interior lay out esp. the centre vent outlet which has that diagonal shape.

ROB89M3

12-12-2002, 12:59 AM

....the most desirable BMW that everyone loves to hate cuz it's outdated....You take a guess:P

But if I were to buy another bimmer ontop of the one I have,I would buy Thinair's E36,Mogie's E36,Van's E36,Gr8 Ride's E36,
Jon Sibals E36,or Dado's E36.

:)

BMW_M52_M20

12-12-2002, 01:00 AM

No prob man, thought you were slamming me for a sec there, thats cool man. My dad had a 325is e30, and although I don't remember much of it, my dad really loved it. I am just an e36 fan, but there are aspects to both the e30 and e46 I love as well.
Jay

SickFinga

12-12-2002, 01:01 AM

Originally posted by BeemerBuddy
i meant overall appearance and i think jeremys, randys or robs car would take yours anyday:P *th-up*

Randy's, Rob's and Jeremy's cars are extremely modified.
lets talk about stock to stock 3 series

Originally posted by BeemerBuddy
jay i didnt mean ur car i was bugging mkgino but you guys both have nice cars and i didnt mean to offend anyone:)

Obviously those cars beat ours, but look how much money they have put into them. Stock vs stock, lets compare, E36 to E30, newer technology, better more spacious interior, doesnt feel like a tin can to drive (Ive driven my cousins E30 M3) etc. Man have you seen a stock E30? They were so ugly, the only E30's that Ive seen that are nice are the ones that are fixed up nice, like M50E30 or Jeremey's or Empowered's car. Now I think E46 beats out the E36 anyday. Man I love the brushed aluminum trim, the nice chrome rings around the gauges, and so on. Sorry if I have offended anyone with this post but this is my opinion, I would like to hear yours also.

BMW_M52_M20

12-12-2002, 01:07 AM

Yeah,

there is so many things that I would love to do to my car, like M body kit, Euro Ellipsoids, and so many other things, I just can't afford that. My parents bought my car for me as a graduation present, and I am so thankful, but I have to pay for my mods, and for a guy that is in university and no job (till the summer), the car stays the same. But I would love to throw 20,000$ in my car and pimp it out, as I think anyone here would!
Jay

Lil'Smoothie

12-12-2002, 02:10 AM

Sickfinga I agree about the M3's

Late model e30 325is, especially over seas -stock 15' BBS wheels and M tech kit are way nicer than any non ///M stock e36 IMO. obviously the newer cars have better technology but they weigh, dont have much more power and require less of a driver.

I know what you are sayin MKGino but there are many fugly stock E36's too, the grey front bumper/spoiler look like absolute sh!t to me, but so do huge diving board bumpers on the E30's

It's hard to compare cars because there are so many different models within the classes of E36 and E30.

And I see 20 E36's a day they are soo played out, there are at least 5 in my school parking lot each day, I never see E30's especially E30 M3's

My fav series are definitely the E30 and 8 series

gsbadbmr

12-12-2002, 02:21 AM

E30's all the way. They are made sooooooooooooo strong, and the handling is incredible. I find they look "rough/rugged" and VERY agressive. My friend has an E36 325is, and when we go places, people always freak out when they find out my car is already 15 years old and in mint condition, and they aren't even interested in the E36. Don't get me wrong, i like the E36, it's just i find that it looks ordinary, and not unique.

***stock E30's with aluminum "diving board" bumpers are discustingly ugly, where as a stock E36 will pretty much always look decent!

***Long live the E30*th-up*

SickFinga

12-12-2002, 02:42 AM

Lil'Smoothie, I lived and Europe and most of my friends had bmws most of them were e30s and they were european. And I know how they look. euro e30, e28 and e21 look 10 times better than American ones. But I still think e36 and e46 looks meaner than e30.( mean - that what the look I want) And sorry e30 isn't a unique car, there are a couple of old car with similar body style. E30 M3 is the most unique bimmer, no questions here.

gsbadbmr

12-12-2002, 04:01 AM

Originally posted by SickFinga
Lil'Smoothie, I lived and Europe and most of my friends had bmws most of them were e30s and they were european. And I know how they look. euro e30, e28 and e21 look 10 times better than American ones. But I still think e36 and e46 looks meaner than e30.( mean - that what the look I want) And sorry e30 isn't a unique car, there are a couple of old car with similar body style. E30 M3 is the most unique bimmer, no questions here.

Let's clarify this now, MY E30 IS UNIQUE. I don't care what anyone says or thinks, try and find one ANYWHERE that even comes close to resembling mine, it ain't gonna happen:D Not even Eurostyles 4-door looks like mine (he made my kit)and he has the same one installed on his car.*th-up*

SickFinga

12-12-2002, 04:03 AM

Originally posted by gsbadbmr

Let's clarify this now, MY E30 IS UNIQUE. I don't care what anyone says or thinks, try and find one ANYWHERE that even comes close to resembling mine, it ain't gonna happen:D Not even Eurostyles 4-door looks like mine (he made my kit)and he has the same one installed on his car.*th-up*

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT STOCK TO STOCK!!!

gsbadbmr

12-12-2002, 04:17 AM

Originally posted by SickFinga

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT STOCK TO STOCK!!!

Stock to Stock, i would have to go with the e36 over the STOCK E30, cuz like i said in my previous post :

"***stock E30's with aluminum "diving board" bumpers are discustingly ugly, where as a stock E36 will pretty much always look decent!"

The E30 is a pureist drivers car. Stock or Costomized doesn't matter! when you get in the seat and drive around, hit some apexes and bang some gears nothing bmw currently makes will give you the same experiece. I've driven E36's and E46's and shure they might be slightly faster but none of them give you the sporty no BS feeling I get from the E30. doesn't matter if its a box and WHO CARES if you don't look rich in one. The real rich people don't even drive 3 series they got 740's and Benz.

My 2 cents. I like all bimmers I'm just picky about what one I own.

SickFinga

12-12-2002, 05:00 AM

Please explain why e30 is more drivers car than e36 or e46?

Bimmer Heaven

12-12-2002, 05:20 AM

In the E30 you feel the road...E36 is comfortable, quieter, smoother, but so is a 7! The sansation in an E30 is just different!

P.S I'll also take an E30 anyday!

Slowered318

12-12-2002, 05:37 AM

Originally posted by Eurostyle
In the E30 you feel the road...E36 is comfortable, quieter, smoother, but so is a 7! The sansation in an E30 is just different!

P.S I'll also take an E30 anyday!

Exactly E30 doesn't have climate control or power seats.. nothing to take you away from driving.. it's pure like I said, thats why I like them.

Take it from eurostyle he's all about the E30's too. you either love them to death or don't like em at all.

e36_freak

12-12-2002, 05:38 AM

i agree with eurostyle........ i had an e30 (87 325is) and that car was alot of fun.... in eurostyles first e30 (85 325e) that thing when he hit the gas you feel it..... in the e36 it's much more comfortable. and quieter.... which is nice... but still i take the e36 over the e30 anyday.... the e36 looks much much much better.... it's not too squared like the e30's it's not too round like the e46... it's nice and aggressive.....just my $0.02...

mkgino

12-12-2002, 11:05 AM

Yes, you have to compare them stock to stock. I think that the E36 looks wise was better than the E30 stock. But then again the E46 also better than the E36 too. Remember when the E36 stock would come out of the factory with those hubcap wheels and the unpainted skirt package, and thick unpainted mouldings and door handles? Nasty. So I think BMW is heading in the right direction with cleaning up all the little things like that.

WASABI

12-12-2002, 01:40 PM

An e36 for daily spirited driving and lapping days :D

An e39 for family excursions (with a little spirited driving ;) )

Can't wait for my 540i:cool:

SickFinga

12-12-2002, 01:53 PM

So you are saying the simplier car the more car is for a DRIVER. hmm strange. Why don't you get a basic neon then? no traction control, no ac, no nothing. PURE DRIVERS car. I drove e30 318is, 323is, 325i, 325e.
I love e30 bmw and on of the main reason why i love it, cause my friend had e30 1983 323is and it had power windows, ac and other stuff that we didn't even have on some brand new cars.

Traction control, ac, and all othe stuff can be truned off, and I think it is more fun to drive more powerful car without traction control, just a bit more gas, and your rear wanna pass the front.
Anyway, I would take e36 over e30 anyday, and e46 over e36.
Why? Traction control is a must, also more comfortable, more buttons, more room, newer look. I love e30 m3 look more than e36 m3, but I just didn't wanna get older car, and insurance on e46 m3 would just rape me in every way possible. so I ended up with my car.

bmwm5lover

12-12-2002, 02:07 PM

im more of an 5 series fan, the 3 series are too small for me,i mean i wouldnt mind having one, i think they are reat cars, but nothing beats an M5, 535iS........etc
e28 , e34, and e39 all the way for me, than i would jump for the 89-present 7 series, and ofcourse the 6 series, and the 8 series(preferably the 850 CSi.

djcontra

12-12-2002, 02:38 PM

My faves are the Z9, ///M5, and ///M1 (with widebody kit)

too bad i've never driven or sat in either of the three =)

Slowered318

12-12-2002, 04:50 PM

Originally posted by SickFinga
So you are saying the simplier car the more car is for a DRIVER. hmm strange. Why don't you get a basic neon then? no traction control, no ac, no nothing. PURE DRIVERS car. I drove e30 318is, 323is, 325i, 325e.
I love e30 bmw and on of the main reason why i love it, cause my friend had e30 1983 323is and it had power windows, ac and other stuff that we didn't even have on some brand new cars.

Traction control, ac, and all othe stuff can be truned off, and I think it is more fun to drive more powerful car without traction control, just a bit more gas, and your rear wanna pass the front.
Anyway, I would take e36 over e30 anyday, and e46 over e36.
Why? Traction control is a must, also more comfortable, more buttons, more room, newer look. I love e30 m3 look more than e36 m3, but I just didn't wanna get older car, and insurance on e46 m3 would just rape me in every way possible. so I ended up with my car.

Dude i'm not saying E36 and E46 arn't fun to drive... my pont is that you don't need TC, roomy interiors, power sunroof, power seats to drive. By definition a true sports car doesn't have luxury features (pre 996 porsche for example... some have manual windows) and race cars well most of them don't even have ABS!

Personally i'm not a fan of small luxury cars, There is no middle ground IMO. I like big 540's and 740il's or small E30 3 series, M3. My needs in a sporty bmw coup are different then yours.. that's why i have a 91 318is with manual sunroof and no trip computer... and you have full options package.

SickFinga

12-12-2002, 04:57 PM

I dunno bue where the first techinology coming out first? Race cars.
Why don't you want more comfotable seat? More options??? you don't want it because you don't have it. When I first got my car, I was always wondering why do you need silly options like temperature, gas, average speed.
But when I drove my bro's Neon, I wanted to check the temperature outside, and other stuff that were not there.
So what I'm trying to say, if you don't have it you don't need it, if you use it, and then switch back, it feels weird.
I know some cars come without any oprins, first vipers were simplier than VW bug, but 318 is not a sports car.

I have power everything in my 2000 Audi A4 2.8 quattro. it has more traction then you will ever need and very little input as a driver is needed.. plus it's pretty fast (200hp). Strange enough it's not half as fun to drive as my 318, sure it's great to cruise along in style and "one touch" all 4 windows and sunroof down at the same time. but the last time I went on a 2000 km road trip I was still wishing that I took my bmw. Even if my 318 isn't faster it feels faster and feels way more sporty then my 3,200 lb Audi.

Sickfinga you have a great car don't get me wrong.. but I don't envy your ride. I've been there and I wen't back to the E30 because it's so much more fun.

SickFinga

12-12-2002, 05:38 PM

never said you envy my car. I just think you are kinda biased, maybe not, but I really think so, if you noticed most members posted that their favorite car is the car that they drive.
Read bmwm5lover's post, his post is biased too, he said he likes his 5series, cause 3 series is small. Well e28 has same sizes as e36.

mkgino

12-12-2002, 05:42 PM

I love my car but Im not biased, I like the E46 better.

Slowered318

12-12-2002, 05:52 PM

Well it's kinda weird because it doesn't seem that bmw drivers respect other bmw drivers. You get the odd wave or knod from other E30 drivers. but E36 and E46 guys act like your driving a pinto and not a bmw. So I guess i'm just sticking up for my car.

I like bmw's and i'll even catch up with one just to look at it amd half the time the prick will cut me off and speed away. HAHA guess i'm a freak or something.

Once in a while i'll drive my mom's miata and every other miata waves to you.. you feel like your driving something special even though it's not.

SickFinga

12-12-2002, 05:59 PM

Originally posted by Slowered318
Well it's kinda weird because it doesn't seem that bmw drivers respect other bmw drivers. You get the odd wave or knod from other E30 drivers. but E36 and E46 guys act like your driving a pinto and not a bmw. So I guess i'm just sticking up for my car.

I like bmw's and i'll even catch up with one just to look at it amd half the time the prick will cut me off and speed away. HAHA guess i'm a freak or something.

Trust me I respect other bimmers, I just argueing with you cause you said, e30 is more drivers car than e36 and e46.
I wanted to get 325is before e36 m3, everybody laughed at me in school and were saying for that money they would rather get a civic, I laughed at them, it is just happends that I got really lucky and I could afford to get e36 m3. Even though I still think e30 m3 is way more unique and nicer car, just because of the widebody.
I love old bimmers, if you don't believe me ask Betray, he always make fun of me because I love old cars. I love e21, e28 m5s, e34 m5, 6 series, I love 2002 bimmer, and much older bimmer. And trust me I'm not just saying this to look nice here or anything.
Like i said before, my best friend had e30 323is, I loved that car like it was mine even though I drove it once.
Anyway e9 3.0cls and e21 320i Turbo (both race cars) I think the nicest bimmers ever built.

bmwm5lover

12-12-2002, 07:02 PM

Originally posted by SickFinga
never said you envy my car. I just think you are kinda biased, maybe not, but I really think so, if you noticed most members posted that their favorite car is the car that they drive.
Read bmwm5lover's post, his post is biased too, he said he likes his 5series, cause 3 series is small. Well e28 has same sizes as e36.
ive been in e30, and trust me they are smaller than the e28, same with e36, and e34 etc, and besides, if they were same sizes, why would they have 3 series and 5 series?
i consider my e28 a little bit more spacious(in the front) than the e30, and possibly the e36, ive riden in a e30, for 2 hrs, and in a e36 for about 40 mins, and, honestly, i found them great cars, sporty, huggers, everything, but with my being used to huge interiors(grand caravan, volvo 940, etc...) i just found it a bit squashed, specially when its me and my dad beside each other.
im into huge sedans and lots of power, thats why M5, 535,540 is always my #1 choice! Nothings biased here, we just buy what we like, and what we need, and consider practical.
I may be wrong, but hey...

Mr seville

12-12-2002, 07:06 PM

what does it for me has to be the z8 god what a car!!!!!!!!!!! to bad i'll NEVER own one.:(

Bob bimmer

12-12-2002, 07:09 PM

E-30's ALL THE WAY. No other BMW looks as aggressive and PERFECT as a well done E-30. Don't get me wrong all BMW's are nice but the E-30 is just the best there is no questions asked!

SickFinga

12-12-2002, 07:39 PM

Originally posted by bmwm5lover

ive been in e30, and trust me they are smaller than the e28, same with e36,

if you didn't notice bmw are getting bigger and bigger every model. e21 was so small there were almost no leg room, e30 were bigger, e36 even more and e46 is bigger than e36 again.
I meant that e28 has same and even less room than e36, so e28 is not a big car at all.

bmwm5lover

12-12-2002, 07:46 PM

obviopusly they are getting bigger, but i was speaking generally.
all cars are getting bigger, i mean the 940, is like haf a meter smaller than the S80, that thing is HUGE....speaking of huge, the 760iL is where a ll the pimpins at.....WHAT!!!!! That car, imo, puts the MB S600 to sleep!

325Ryan

12-15-2002, 01:12 AM

when i saw the title of this thread I thought... wow time for a huge fight. It's like asking who's girlfriend is hotter

bmwm5lover

12-15-2002, 01:17 AM

Originally posted by 325Ryan
when i saw the title of this thread I thought... wow time for a huge fight. It's like asking who's girlfriend is hotter

Well said, but after all we are entitled to our own opinions and our own tastes! 90% of the time ppl buy what they like, need, and find pracitcal, so if sum1 loves the e30 more than the e36, and thinks its better than be it, who cares?

Jon@Bimmersport

12-15-2002, 01:33 AM

well..you all know what my fav series is...and my fav car...i would gladly take E46 any model.....but then, i would much rather have SL55 over E46 M3. i went to the MB dealer yesterday when i applied for a job, and i was sitting in ther SL55 they had in the showroom...and if i had a choice between even M5, M3, Z8 and SL55..i would take the SL55 AMG

http://216.123.72.168/maxbimmer/germany/images/DSCN8520.jpg

SickFinga

12-15-2002, 02:39 AM

are you seruosly thinking that MB hire you??? YOu must be on drugs

Betray

12-15-2002, 02:44 AM

e36 Euro M3 - Colour: Everyone

Jon@Bimmersport

12-15-2002, 02:57 AM

Originally posted by SickFinga
are you seruosly thinking that MB hire you??? YOu must be on drugs

well..i asked the person, they said 3 people who are 16 are working there...so i figured im 15, why not? i prob know more bout cars than those 2 other guys!