There is a simple way to get people to complete the course of treatment. First half of doses contain a poison. Second half of doses contain the antitode. If they don't return for the second half, at least their corpses will not pass along the mutated super-plasmodium.

rikkidoxx:And thanks to Rachel Carson, the New York Times and the EPA. Couldn't let all those song birdies die plus harming the fishies and other stuff. But then, what are 50 million human deaths since DDT was banned?

You people realize that DDT is still manufactured and used in a variety of countries? Did World Net Daily leave out that factoid?

Wikipedia still works you know.

Criticisms of a DDT "ban" often specifically reference the 1972 US ban (with the erroneous implication that this constituted a worldwide ban and prohibited use of DDT in vector control). Reference is often made to <a data-cke-saved-href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Carson" title="Rachel Carson">Rachel Carson's Silent Spring even though she never pushed for a ban on DDT. [121] Carson actually devoted a page of her book to considering the relationship between DDT and malaria, warning of the

It is more sensible in some cases to take a small amount of damage in preference to having none for a time but paying for it in the long run by losing the very means of fighting [is the advice given in Holland by Dr Briejer in his capacity as director of the Plant Protection Service]. Practical advice should be "Spray as little as you possibly can" rather than "Spray to the limit of your capacity."

I heard an extremely detailed article/interview on this and the basic gist of the issue is that there is a *HUGE* market in Thailand and that area of Asia in counterfeit tablets of malaria medicine.The problem is twofold:1. People buy pills that have little or no medicinal value2. They take said pills and the effect is none/ some value but because the parasite doesn't get the Whole BANG from a regular dosage of proper medicine, then it can over time become resistant and those people that are carriers, don't heal as rapidly as they should and can transmit the disease.

ZAZ:The article says quinine-resistant malaria has been around for a while.

Quinine resistant malaria is old news. Chloroquine resistant malaria is similarly old news. Most malaria in Africa is chloroquine resistant. What's NEW news is artemisenin -resistant malaria. New class of anti-malaria drugs derived from a plant used in Chinese medicine to treat malaria. UN program to manufacture and dristribute it. Already there is some resistance.

I think the multi-drug resistant TB might be an equally big problem and it already is out there.

durbnpoisn:Wikipedia (say what you will), is my friend. Afer reading this articel, I went and read up on the disease.

All this time, I thought that Malaria was a virus. It turns out that it really is a parasite. And there doesn't appear to be any sort of medicine to rid the body of it. In that respect, all kidding aside, it could become a real problem.

I don't think we here in the temperate zones have a lot to worry about. But those in the tropics, especially the really poor areas, could be in serious trouble.

Erm...malaria used to occur in some fairly temperate areas, too--like, oh, Washington, DC and most of the Southeast US, for instance. (It also got eradicated long before DDT--once people figured out that mosquitoes carried malaria, swamp-draining and larvicidal treatments (with oil treatments and older sulfur-based insecticidals) did a nice job of wiping out malaria in the US. DDT pretty much stopped becoming really effective against mosquitoes around the late 50s anyways--a few years before "Silent Spring"--and the insecticides of choice tend to be either pyrethrins (for the adults) or larvicidals and/or chrysalis-inhibitors (many of which are quite safe to use even on public water supplies). Oddly enough, one of the invasives in the US--Asian carp--was in part originally imported to deal with mosquitoes--turns out the things love hellgrammites (or mosquito maggots) :D)

Most of the regions that used DDT after the 60s (and there are a number of tropical countries that STILL license DDT as a restricted pesticide for mosquito control, even though it does sweet fark all to mosquitoes nowadays) did it because...DDT is dirt cheap, and for a while it worked, and...it was dirt cheap, especially when DDT stopped working in target species in industrialised countries (the dumping of DDT actually began, again, before "Silent Spring" made known to laymen the negative effects of organochlorine pesticides on bird populations--it pretty much didn't work here, and we had malathion by that point, so we shipped our DDT to Africa and Asia; we're pretty much now schlepping malathion to those same parts of the world, now that pyrethrins and chrysalis inhibitors are the new hotness).

Also, mosquitoes can survive for quite some time in non-ideal conditions. Like a nice, warm airplane. And then disembark with the other passengers once at their destination. Which may not be anywhere near the tropics.

The whole thing does sound a bit scary, but it's not something to worry about in North America - yet. I can see how this would be a major problem in Asia though, and Africa has enough to worry about already without SuperMalaria.

I know it's not something we are used to worrying about in Canada, but we have had outbreaks of temperate zone malaria here in the past as well. I hope that the malaria version they are talking about is not happy in temperate climates!!

/Yes, my Mom had malaria as a child, and probably still carries some of the parasite, though she hasn't had an attack in over 50 years now. Born and raised in India can do that to a person.

Fortunately, Malrone (Atovaquone/proguanil) seems to remain a good choice for (wealthy) Westerners. There have been some reported instances of resistant strains, but pretty rare.If Malarone-resistent malria takes hold, I'll stop visiting those parts of the world.

fluffy2097:letrole: BronyMedic: Evolution. How the fark does it work? Must be like magnets to you, Amos.

This text is now purple: That's natural selection. The species adapted, but it's still genetically compatible with non-selected versions of its species. It has not speciated, and thus, has not evolved.

The resistance to DDT was always there. The niche that all mosquitos fill was always there. When the DDT susceptible mosquitos were killed, they left no offspring. The offspring of DDT resistant mosquitos faced less competition and were able to ensure that the mosquito niche remained filled.

This is not evolution. This is not even natural selection. DDT isn't natural. This is unintended selective breeding.

letrole:BronyMedic: Evolution. How the fark does it work? Must be like magnets to you, Amos.

This text is now purple: That's natural selection. The species adapted, but it's still genetically compatible with non-selected versions of its species. It has not speciated, and thus, has not evolved.

The resistance to DDT was always there. The niche that all mosquitos fill was always there. When the DDT susceptible mosquitos were killed, they left no offspring. The offspring of DDT resistant mosquitos faced less competition and were able to ensure that the mosquito niche remained filled.

This is not evolution. This is not even natural selection. DDT isn't natural. This is unintended selective breeding.

you have pee hands:This text is now purple: That's natural selection. The species adapted, but it's still genetically compatible with non-selected versions of its species. It has not speciated, and thus, has not evolved.

The microevolution/evolution people are the weirdest. What sort of cognitive dissonance does it require for people to not accept that they''re looking at short and long term views of the same phenomenon?

They're the ones who want hard evidence of EVERYTHING. Until they see proof with their own eyes it doesn't exist. Evolution doesn't occur until there's something tangible they can put their grimy little hands on. The fact that this takes hundreds of millions of years and that "speciation" is essentially artificial anyway doesn't bother them. Of course, they'll argue all day with you that wolves, dogs and coyotes are three different species although all three are basically the same animal and even C. latrans isn't genetically distinct enough from C. lupus not to hybridize in the wild all the time.

This text is now purple:That's natural selection. The species adapted, but it's still genetically compatible with non-selected versions of its species. It has not speciated, and thus, has not evolved.

The microevolution/evolution people are the weirdest. What sort of cognitive dissonance does it require for people to not accept that they''re looking at short and long term views of the same phenomenon?

1. The production and use of DDT shall be eliminated except for Parties that have notified the Secretariat of their intention to produce and/or use it. A DDT Register is hereby established and shall be available to the public. The Secretariat shall maintain the DDT Register.

2. Each Party that produces and/or uses DDT shall restrict such production and/or use for disease vector control in accordance with the World Health Organization recommendations and guidelines on the use of DDT and when locally safe, effective and affordable alternatives are not available to the Party in question.

3. In the event that a Party not listed in the DDT Register determines that it requires DDT for disease vector control, it shall notify the Secretariat as soon as possible in order to have its name added forthwith to the DDT Register. It shall at the same time notify the World Health Organization.

4. Every three years, each Party that uses DDT shall provide to the Secretariat and the World Health Organization information on the amount used, the conditions of such use and its relevance to that Party's disease management strategy, in a format to be decided by the Conference of the Parties in consultation with the World Health Organization.

5. With the goal of reducing and ultimately eliminating the use of DDT, the Conference of the Parties shall encourage:(a) Each Party using DDT to develop and implement an action plan as part of the implementation plan specified in Article 7. That action plan shall include:(i) Development of regulatory and other mechanisms to ensure that DDT use is restricted to disease vector control;(ii) Implementation of suitable alternative products, methods and strategies, including resistance management strategies to ensure the continuing effectiveness of these alternatives;(iii) Measures to strengthen health care and to reduce the incidence of the disease.(b) The Parties, within their capabilities, to promote research and development of safe alternative chemical and non-chemical products, methods and strategies for Parties using DDT, relevant to the conditions of those countries and with the goal of decreasing the human and economic burden of disease. Factors to be promoted when considering alternatives or combinations of alternatives shall include the human health risks and environmental implications of such alternatives. Viable alternatives to DDT shall pose less risk to human health and the environment, be suitable for disease control based on conditions in the Parties in question and be supported with monitoring data.

6. Commencing at its first meeting, and at least every three years thereafter, the Conference of the Parties shall, in consultation with the World Health Organization, evaluate the continued need for DDT for disease vector control on the basis of available scientific, technical, environmental and economic information, including:(a) The production and use of DDT and the conditions set out in paragraph 2;(b) The availability, suitability and implementation of the alternatives to DDT; and(c) Progress in strengthening the capacity of countries to transfer safely to reliance on such alternatives.

7. A Party may, at any time, withdraw its name from the DDT Registry upon written notification to theSecretariat. The withdrawal shall take effect on the date specified in the notification.

A plague that knocks off half a billion people or so would get science and research and medicine going again instead of warmongering.

Dream on. A bad plague was raging all through the Hundred Year's War.

Still, we do need a plague, if only to cull the herd. Half a billion wouldn't do it, though. We need something with about a 50-70% kill rate, like the Black Death in its heyday to really do us any good at all.

Rapmaster2000:rikkidoxx: And thanks to Rachel Carson, the New York Times and the EPA. Couldn't let all those song birdies die plus harming the fishies and other stuff. But then, what are 50 million human deaths since DDT was banned?

You people realize that DDT is still manufactured and used in a variety of countries? Did World Net Daily leave out that factoid?

Wikipedia still works you know.

Criticisms of a DDT "ban" often specifically reference the 1972 US ban (with the erroneous implication that this constituted a worldwide ban and prohibited use of DDT in vector control). Reference is often made to <a data-cke-saved-href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Carson" title="Rachel Carson">Rachel Carson's Silent Spring even though she never pushed for a ban on DDT. [121] Carson actually devoted a page of her book to considering the relationship between DDT and malaria, warning of theIt is more sensible in some cases to take a small amount of damage in preference to having none for a time but paying for it in the long run by losing the very means of fighting [is the advice given in Holland by Dr Briejer in his capacity as director of the Plant Protection Service]. Practical advice should be "Spray as little as you possibly can" rather than "Spray to the limit of your capacity."

rikkidoxx:And thanks to Rachel Carson, the New York Times and the EPA. Couldn't let all those song birdies die plus harming the fishies and other stuff. But then, what are 50 million human deaths since DDT was banned?

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DDT isn't banned for use in killing disease vectors, only for general use in pest control.

Evil Twin Skippy:To wipe out the human race, it would have to be contagious. The only way to contract malaria is to be bitten by one of the vectors that carries it. Those vectors don't exist outside of the tropics.

Abe Vigoda's Ghost:way south: This is news now?It's been wiping out mankind for quite some time...

It was until DDT was used to kill off mosquitos in prone areas.

But of course, that has since changed.

Enjoy your epidemic.

It's a real shame that there are no other insecticides in the world that would ever be equally effective and more environmentally benign, and it's a good thing that insects can never develop a resistance to a toxin. I mean it's such a simple problem, that's why malaria was wiped out 70 years ago when we used DDT everywhere for just about everything.

I'm wondering if the act of thinking causes physical pain to some people, that would explain why tired thoughtless talking points have be trotted out again and again.

rikkidoxx:And thanks to Rachel Carson, the New York Times and the EPA. Couldn't let all those song birdies die plus harming the fishies and other stuff. But then, what are 50 million human deaths since DDT was banned?

Damn, and I hoped I'd get in before the Rachel-Carson-is-evil crowd showed up spouting this well-worn and well-refuted bullschitt from Fox Izvestia and that liar for hire Steven Milloy.

phaseolus:durbnpoisn: Wikipedia (say what you will), is my friend. Afer reading this articel, I went and read up on the disease.

All this time, I thought that Malaria was a virus. It turns out that it really is a parasite. And there doesn't appear to be any sort of medicine to rid the body of it. In that respect, all kidding aside, it could become a real problem.

I don't think we here in the temperate zones have a lot to worry about. But those in the tropics, especially the really poor areas, could be in serious trouble.

Yeah. Florida could be farked.

Nah, the population centers have paved over or drained everything even remotely habitable to a mosquito.

DMZ DEATH:Also read today how some farking knob scientists created a super mutated bird flu strand. The thing is airborne and could easily wipe out at least half the worlds population. And theses farktards are now debating whether to publish the recipe. Honestly, i say kill everyone who has knowledge about how to create it, and destroy any living strains of this abomination. Scary day for diseases this day is, makes me wonder if all these nutjob end of days preppers in their bunkers have it right afterall...

When I was in India, I saw fellow western tourists get really sick from malaria. It's a scary thing to see when you're in a place with inadequate healthcare and you realize you're in just as much danger as the people you're watching get very sick.

Wikipedia (say what you will), is my friend. Afer reading this articel, I went and read up on the disease.

All this time, I thought that Malaria was a virus. It turns out that it really is a parasite. And there doesn't appear to be any sort of medicine to rid the body of it. In that respect, all kidding aside, it could become a real problem.

I don't think we here in the temperate zones have a lot to worry about. But those in the tropics, especially the really poor areas, could be in serious trouble.

Abe Vigoda's Ghost:way south: This is news now?It's been wiping out mankind for quite some time...It was until DDT was used to kill off mosquitos in prone areas.But of course, that has since changed.

A good place to start is the summary on the Wikipedia DDT page where you could maybe follow a few of the citations for more details if you're really curious, and you'll all discover that a.) DDT still is in use for malaria control and b.) it's not exactly the silver bullet it used to be, because of mosquitoes' acquired resistance to the pesticide over time.

Or if you'd rather, just keep going with the Michael Crichton "Banning DDT killed more people than Hitler" line if you're having too much fun being all contrarian and shiat.

Yeah, DDT was already losing potency by 1968 and was being phased out. The widespread spraying of it in Africa and especially SE Asia led to resistant and Immunity very quickly. Oh, and all of those nasty environmental and Human problems that Carson laid out.

From what I've heard, the amount of quinine in tonic nowadays is negligible. I've heard worse excuses for drinking though, so I'm just going to pretend that my rampant alcoholism is due to my fear of communicable diseases.