I don't understand how no one knows how they side politically? They're incredibly socially liberal (compared to the rest of the voting public) and sorta fiscally conservative socialist. They don't want to get completely screwed over by the Boomers blowing up the economy while also wanting the feds to be there to help out if/when they need it.

somedude210:I don't understand how no one knows how they side politically? They're incredibly socially liberal (compared to the rest of the voting public) and sorta fiscally conservative socialist. They don't want to get completely screwed over by the Boomers blowing up the economy while also wanting the feds to be there to help out if/when they need it.

WTF Indeed:somedude210: I don't understand how no one knows how they side politically? They're incredibly socially liberal (compared to the rest of the voting public) and sorta fiscally conservative socialist. They don't want to get completely screwed over by the Boomers blowing up the economy while also wanting the feds to be there to help out if/when they need it.

It's not how they vote now, it's how they will vote when they are 30.

Again, like the generation that lived through the depression, I think you'll see these kids be more pessimistic with how they'll do financially and will look to the feds to help out more and will be far more open-minded socially.

WTF Indeed:somedude210: I don't understand how no one knows how they side politically? They're incredibly socially liberal (compared to the rest of the voting public) and sorta fiscally conservative socialist. They don't want to get completely screwed over by the Boomers blowing up the economy while also wanting the feds to be there to help out if/when they need it.

It's not how they vote now, it's how they will vote when they are 30.

They only have two choices to pick from, so the damage will be inflicted no matter what.

Here's hoping the Millenials remember the lessons of their childhood and reject neo-conservative foreign policy. It's a lot easier to fix your own economy when you're not out indiscriminately destroying others.

Marcus Aurelius:WTF Indeed: somedude210: I don't understand how no one knows how they side politically? They're incredibly socially liberal (compared to the rest of the voting public) and sorta fiscally conservative socialist. They don't want to get completely screwed over by the Boomers blowing up the economy while also wanting the feds to be there to help out if/when they need it.

It's not how they vote now, it's how they will vote when they are 30.

They only have two choices to pick from, so the damage will be inflicted no matter what.

rumpelstiltskin:WTF Indeed: The Millennials have two grand examples how not to act politically:

Don't be as greedy and selfish as Baby Boomers.

Don't be as uninvolved as Gen Xers.

It's not that we don't care; it's we just don't matter. There are 70 million baby boomers and 70 million millennials, and like six of us.

Not to mention the higher barrier to entering politics nowadays. Anything more than a spot on a PTA board takes money to run for, money they don't have because of the economy being trashed as they graduate with thousands of dollars in debt.

I wouldn't be surprised if in about 30 years campaign finance reform finally happens because the Millenials saw how bad it got nowadays.

somedude210:I don't understand how no one knows how they side politically? They're incredibly socially liberal (compared to the rest of the voting public) and sorta fiscally conservative socialist. They don't want to get completely screwed over by the Boomers blowing up the economy while also wanting the feds to be there to help out if/when they need it.

One thing I dont understand is how can the feds help out? The vast majority do not qualify for assistance (foodstamps etc) yet are not wealthy enough to take advantage of tax loopholes.

I don't see the federal social programs doing much to help the majority of folks financially. I suppose they could lower income taxes but I doubt that's going to happen and actually expect the opposite.

WTF Indeed:somedude210: I don't understand how no one knows how they side politically? They're incredibly socially liberal (compared to the rest of the voting public) and sorta fiscally conservative socialist. They don't want to get completely screwed over by the Boomers blowing up the economy while also wanting the feds to be there to help out if/when they need it.

chasd00:somedude210: I don't understand how no one knows how they side politically? They're incredibly socially liberal (compared to the rest of the voting public) and sorta fiscally conservative socialist. They don't want to get completely screwed over by the Boomers blowing up the economy while also wanting the feds to be there to help out if/when they need it.

One thing I dont understand is how can the feds help out? The vast majority do not qualify for assistance (foodstamps etc) yet are not wealthy enough to take advantage of tax loopholes.

I don't see the federal social programs doing much to help the majority of folks financially. I suppose they could lower income taxes but I doubt that's going to happen and actually expect the opposite.

That's helping. Cap gains taxed as standard income, top 5% go up to 35% and this country is a lot better off. Increased revenue means increased gov spending, which actually will stimulate the economy. More entry and low/mid level jobs and the millenials go from the worst entry job market in 80 years to something where they have a fair chance.

This just in. Old people have no clue how to deal with anyone younger than they are.

Millienials (I'm on the very cusp having been born in 80) won't be traditional democrats, but they sure as fark aren't going to be traditional republicans. You can already see it starting in the Democratic party. Very socially liberal, but moderately fiscally conservative. Having grown up with so much technology they really don't accept inefficiencies and think that somebody should just fix it and be done with it. There is also a sizable libertarian arm which despite their dislike of fire stations, are not an unreasonable lot to deal with it seems.

chasd00:somedude210: I don't understand how no one knows how they side politically? They're incredibly socially liberal (compared to the rest of the voting public) and sorta fiscally conservative socialist. They don't want to get completely screwed over by the Boomers blowing up the economy while also wanting the feds to be there to help out if/when they need it.

One thing I dont understand is how can the feds help out? The vast majority do not qualify for assistance (foodstamps etc) yet are not wealthy enough to take advantage of tax loopholes.

I don't see the federal social programs doing much to help the majority of folks financially. I suppose they could lower income taxes but I doubt that's going to happen and actually expect the opposite.

More in the Macro sense I'd say. Bailing out the economy, keeping education loans affordable, investing in infrastructure to actually allow business growth.

chasd00:I don't see the federal social programs doing much to help the majority of folks financially. I suppose they could lower income taxes but I doubt that's going to happen and actually expect the opposite.

easy, bring back government regulations. The Millenials are going to bring back a post-Depression regulatory boon, especially in the financial sector. That's really the simpliest thing the Feds can do is actually start cracking down on the perpetrators of the recession and preventing it from happening again.

Klivian:That's helping. Cap gains taxed as standard income, top 5% go up to 35% and this country is a lot better off. Increased revenue means increased gov spending, which actually will stimulate the economy. More entry and low/mid level jobs and the millenials go from the worst entry job market in 80 years to something where they have a fair chance.

Wendy's Chili:WTF Indeed: somedude210: I don't understand how no one knows how they side politically? They're incredibly socially liberal (compared to the rest of the voting public) and sorta fiscally conservative socialist. They don't want to get completely screwed over by the Boomers blowing up the economy while also wanting the feds to be there to help out if/when they need it.

It's not how they vote now, it's how they will vote when they are 30.

We're already 30.

Yeah there's a lot of weird hypotheticals going on in this thread. Millenials have been voting since Bush v Gore (I missed that election by 6 mos), that's 12 years of voting data to extrapolate to the rest of the generation.

somedude210:I don't understand how no one knows how they side politically?

serious talk

my biggest issue is that i do not believe the constitution represents an efficient form of government, and needs to be revised to eliminate the influence of money in elections as well as the influence of politicians themselves by switching to national proportional representation of parties instead of voting for candidates, with parties managing their own internal systems for selecting which butts get in which seats. this would necessitate the elimination of the senate and state sovereignty.

the balance of powers is similarly farked, due to the political question doctrine and vagaries in the constitution. things like the war powers resolution's constitutional validity, which are fundamental issues in how the constitution and balance of powers work, simply cannot be resolved within our system - it's equivalent to the square root of -1, something that just cannot be expressed in the language of powers.

you see, to me, it doesn't really matter what kind of political changes we make on the minute-to-minute level, because the system itself is so fundamentally flawed. until/unless the system is hogtied and saddled, it really doesn't matter what we do until then, because any actions taken by the government have the interests of the politicians taking primacy over the interests of the electorate..

Tiberius Gracchus:Yeah there's a lot of weird hypotheticals going on in this thread. Millenials have been voting since Bush v Gore (I missed that election by 6 mos), that's 12 years of voting data to extrapolate to the rest of the generation.

What everyone's dancing around is that the big money has been focused on selling derp to boomers so long that they haven't really invested in finding out which derp works on millennials. They're still going "eh, they're just kids, we still have time" and have completely missed that many of us are getting up there and have families and interests of our own.

nocturnal001:The generation that grew up in the shadow of the financial crisis are not going to turn libertarian in mass.

Except for the (likely huge) fraction stupid enough to believe that it was caused by over-regulation rather than under-regulation.

I admit, I don't have access to much polling data on whether they're more or less likely than the average American to think it's over-regulation rather than under-regulation. The GSS asked about LESSREG in 2006, and there wasn't any pronounced trend on cohort that I see. Pew Forum asked some more detailed questions back in 2012, but their report doesn't give a breakdown by cohort. A motivated statistician might ask after the raw dataset from Pew, but Pew does enough cross-generational comparisons that it does not seem likely that they didn't look this time, nor likely that they found a trend and didn't bother to report it. So, given the lack of press from Pew and the neutral results in the GSS, they seem likely about the same distribution as the country as a whole. Ergo, still about one-in-three considering banks to be over-regulated.

Of course, I'm presuming that by "the Millennials", you're talking about the 1980-2000 birth cohort. Now, if you're thinking of the "Homeland Generation" -- roughly, those born after 9/11 -- then they seem very likely to have some pretty pointed attitudes about how their elders have screwed up the world for them. However, they're not yet into the standard 18-and-up polling age range, and still in their malleable years to boot.

nocturnal001:Wendy's Chili: abb3w: WTF Indeed: The Millennials have two grand examples how not to act politically:

Don't be as greedy and selfish as Baby Boomers.Don't be as uninvolved as Gen Xers.

So, they're going to set out to combine the worst features of both, and become Libertarians.

That's what it looks like.

PAUL/BITCOIN '16!

The generation that grew up in the shadow of the financial crisis are not going to turn libertarian in mass.

Millenials are just as stupid as any other generation. Many who didn't suffer too much from the recession balk at government action because they don't want to foot the bill, while many who are struggling as a result of the collapse blame Obama (or "bof sidez") for their woes.

abb3w:Except for the (likely huge) fraction stupid enough to believe that it was caused by over-regulation rather than under-regulation.

I admit, I don't have access to much polling data on whether they're more or less likely than the average American to think it's over-regulation rather than under-regulation

No, I don't think you're gonna see a great mass push towards less regulation because they've witnessed firsthand just what under-regulation does to both them and the world as a whole. You will see some libertarian ideals come through, such as getting government out of the bedroom and legalization of some drugs, but they're not gonna go the "GET THE GUBERMENT OUTTA MY MEDICAID" route.

Wendy's Chili:nocturnal001: Wendy's Chili: abb3w: WTF Indeed: The Millennials have two grand examples how not to act politically:

Don't be as greedy and selfish as Baby Boomers.Don't be as uninvolved as Gen Xers.

So, they're going to set out to combine the worst features of both, and become Libertarians.

That's what it looks like.

PAUL/BITCOIN '16!

The generation that grew up in the shadow of the financial crisis are not going to turn libertarian in mass.

Millenials are just as stupid as any other generation. Many who didn't suffer too much from the recession balk at government action because they don't want to foot the bill, while many who are struggling as a result of the collapse blame Obama (or "bof sidez") for their woes.

Just as stupid sure, but we/they look at the world differently than other generations. Information sharing, organizational attitudes etc.

FTFA: ProgressNow, which receives funding from a number of labor unions and progressive foundations, tried to get young people interested in the president's health insurance by running ads featuring a young man with no pants gargoyle-ing on top of a keg.

ProgressNow is pandering to the young morons? Shocking.

/and the tea party panders to the OLD morons.//seriously. gargoyle-ing!??!?

Wendy's Chili:nocturnal001: Wendy's Chili: abb3w: WTF Indeed: The Millennials have two grand examples how not to act politically:

Don't be as greedy and selfish as Baby Boomers.Don't be as uninvolved as Gen Xers.

So, they're going to set out to combine the worst features of both, and become Libertarians.

That's what it looks like.

PAUL/BITCOIN '16!

The generation that grew up in the shadow of the financial crisis are not going to turn libertarian in mass.

Millenials are just as stupid as any other generation. Many who didn't suffer too much from the recession balk at government action because they don't want to foot the bill (greedy and selfish as Boomers), while many who are struggling as a result of the collapse blame Obama (or "bof sidez") for their woes (politically uninvolved as GenX).

That which is old becomes new again. It's almost like human nature is largely unchanging (though our expressions of it do). If we didn't learn from 2000-2010, we're doomed to repeat it.

The rubber meeting the road happens when we start getting Millenials in Congress in significant numbers - "how do we govern?" is a much better question than "how do we vote?", and gets more to the core of our politics.

// we grew up watching Iran-Contra, S&L, and the Lewinsky trials, obviously we'd be more "government kind of sucks, like all the time; and we should shine bright lights on all of it"

I honestly wouldn't mind seeing a shiat-ton of libertarian Millennials overrunning the teapartiers in government. I just hope those kids understand (of many things) that going back to the gold standard just isn't going to fly, despite all the other trappings libertarianism seems to bring.

I remember when RON PAUL was trying to get the GOP nom in 2012. I go to the gym at a local university, so most of the students I had talked to there were so gung-ho for RON PAUL. I'm also in Maine; and for anyone with a decent memory, I'm sure a lot of people remember the big pissing contest that happened when he didn't get the delegates in Maine, despite his strong showing. Sure, there was no way in hell he'd have gone all the way. But imagine how the GOP field might look as more Millennials get into the fray.

somedude210:abb3w: Except for the (likely huge) fraction stupid enough to believe that it was caused by over-regulation rather than under-regulation.

I admit, I don't have access to much polling data on whether they're more or less likely than the average American to think it's over-regulation rather than under-regulation

No, I don't think you're gonna see a great mass push towards less regulation because they've witnessed firsthand just what under-regulation does to both them and the world as a whole. You will see some libertarian ideals come through, such as getting government out of the bedroom and legalization of some drugs, but they're not gonna go the "GET THE GUBERMENT OUTTA MY MEDICAID" route.

I'm part of the Millennial generation, and the biggest determiner amongst my less-politically-informed friends is the perception of assholeishness. Seriously. Most people my age think the Republicans are dicks for treating gay people so poorly, saying unkind things about immigrants, vilifying women for their biology, their over-blown reaction to weed, and kicking the poor when they're down. In many cases they can certainly be as under-informed and easily led as any other major American demographic, but my generation is very socially concerned and very empathetic as a whole. We have been exposed to all kinds of socially liberal propaganda through modern children's programming and school-led volunteer efforts, and all our internetting allows us access to an enormous diversity of people and lifestyles. We had also assumed that birth control was generally an awesome thing, so we're all super confused by all the hoopla over it. So if you're being a dick about something, we're going to notice and dislike it. The Republican consultant consensus is generally correct--if they could get better at positive messaging they probably would sway some young voters. But instead they keep going ultra-negative and offensive.

Of course, there's some social issues that the majority of Millennials are not budging on--gay rights, drug policy, women's rights, a certain level of immigrant rights. So the consistently negative GOP focus on social issues is just DOA, but they're not even offering any viable alternatives. The Democratic party was smart to finally get fully behind gay rights, and the President's recent comments on pot lead me to believe that they're going to start lining up in favor of that as well. And really, as the Democrats get behind weed as a party, a lot of the "libertarian" faction will return to the fold (sorry real Libertarians, but thems the breaks). If the Democrats also get behind net neutrality in a big way they'll steal even more back.

As a generation, we want to be able to live our lives free from mean-spirited, unnecessary social regulation, and we want a solid social/governmental infrastructure to make living those lives easier and safer. We don't think anyone's whole life should be ruined over a single mistake, losing a job, having poor parents, smoking some weed, getting pregnant, or being gay. We're generally nice, conflict-adverse, and we have really bought into this whole "equality" thing. So all the libertarian student groups in the world will not save the conservative movement unless the GOP backs off on the hardline social agenda and starts sounding nicer.

ckccfa:somedude210: abb3w: Except for the (likely huge) fraction stupid enough to believe that it was caused by over-regulation rather than under-regulation.

I admit, I don't have access to much polling data on whether they're more or less likely than the average American to think it's over-regulation rather than under-regulation

No, I don't think you're gonna see a great mass push towards less regulation because they've witnessed firsthand just what under-regulation does to both them and the world as a whole. You will see some libertarian ideals come through, such as getting government out of the bedroom and legalization of some drugs, but they're not gonna go the "GET THE GUBERMENT OUTTA MY MEDICAID" route.

I'm part of the Millennial generation, and the biggest determiner amongst my less-politically-informed friends is the perception of assholeishness. Seriously. Most people my age think the Republicans are dicks for treating gay people so poorly, saying unkind things about immigrants, vilifying women for their biology, their over-blown reaction to weed, and kicking the poor when they're down. In many cases they can certainly be as under-informed and easily led as any other major American demographic, but my generation is very socially concerned and very empathetic as a whole. We have been exposed to all kinds of socially liberal propaganda through modern children's programming and school-led volunteer efforts, and all our internetting allows us access to an enormous diversity of people and lifestyles. We had also assumed that birth control was generally an awesome thing, so we're all super confused by all the hoopla over it. So if you're being a dick about something, we're going to notice and dislike it. The Republican consultant consensus is generally correct--if they could get better at positive messaging they probably would sway some young voters. But instead they keep going ultra-negative and offensive.

Of course, there's some social issues that the majo ...

That's my general sense of things. Of course never underestimate the ability of the Democrats to screw up.

If they weren't so spineless they would be doubling down on these social issues and ensuring a super majority for the next 40 years.

ckccfa:somedude210: abb3w: Except for the (likely huge) fraction stupid enough to believe that it was caused by over-regulation rather than under-regulation.

I admit, I don't have access to much polling data on whether they're more or less likely than the average American to think it's over-regulation rather than under-regulation

No, I don't think you're gonna see a great mass push towards less regulation because they've witnessed firsthand just what under-regulation does to both them and the world as a whole. You will see some libertarian ideals come through, such as getting government out of the bedroom and legalization of some drugs, but they're not gonna go the "GET THE GUBERMENT OUTTA MY MEDICAID" route.

I'm part of the Millennial generation, and the biggest determiner amongst my less-politically-informed friends is the perception of assholeishness. Seriously. Most people my age think the Republicans are dicks for treating gay people so poorly, saying unkind things about immigrants, vilifying women for their biology, their over-blown reaction to weed, and kicking the poor when they're down. In many cases they can certainly be as under-informed and easily led as any other major American demographic, but my generation is very socially concerned and very empathetic as a whole. We have been exposed to all kinds of socially liberal propaganda through modern children's programming and school-led volunteer efforts, and all our internetting allows us access to an enormous diversity of people and lifestyles. We had also assumed that birth control was generally an awesome thing, so we're all super confused by all the hoopla over it. So if you're being a dick about something, we're going to notice and dislike it. The Republican consultant consensus is generally correct--if they could get better at positive messaging they probably would sway some young voters. But instead they keep going ultra-negative and offensive.

And from TFA:"We're not exactly cutting-edge," said Long of the organization's outreach efforts, which consist largely of publishing books. "All my donors and trustees tell me kids don't read these days."

Saying stupid shiat like this will help you to continue to lose my generation. I taught composition to college students for the last 5 years, and older people would always say to me, "Must be tough, since kids don't read or write these days." And I would just stare in disbelief. We read and write all the goddamn time--what the fark do you think smartphones and computers are for?! We read and write more than any other previous generation, we just don't do it with pigments and tree pulp. And yes, much of it is casual, but we're also extremely effective at communicating emotional content through text, which is why it's so easy to trip our empathy-alarms with small-time outrage content. Just look at Buzzfeed--it's half "funny" lists and half "look at this unfair thing happening to this marginalized person." Facebook and Twitter are awash with links to various articles. As a generation, we're probably better equipped than anyone else to recognize negative messaging, and we're very sensitive to it.

Missing this boat will kill any cause--we read, we read a lot, and we read for tone; we just do it all on the goddamned internet. So whether or not we identify as "democrats," the conservatives have already lost the social messaging war with my generation.

abb3w:Of course, I'm presuming that by "the Millennials", you're talking about the 1980-2000 birth cohort. Now, if you're thinking of the "Homeland Generation" -- roughly, those born after 9/11 -- then they seem very likely to have some pretty pointed attitudes about how their elders have screwed up the world for them. However, they're not yet into the standard 18-and-up polling age range, and still in their malleable years to boot.

ckccfa:somedude210: abb3w: Except for the (likely huge) fraction stupid enough to believe that it was caused by over-regulation rather than under-regulation.

I admit, I don't have access to much polling data on whether they're more or less likely than the average American to think it's over-regulation rather than under-regulation

No, I don't think you're gonna see a great mass push towards less regulation because they've witnessed firsthand just what under-regulation does to both them and the world as a whole. You will see some libertarian ideals come through, such as getting government out of the bedroom and legalization of some drugs, but they're not gonna go the "GET THE GUBERMENT OUTTA MY MEDICAID" route.

I'm part of the Millennial generation, and the biggest determiner amongst my less-politically-informed friends is the perception of assholeishness. Seriously. Most people my age think the Republicans are dicks for treating gay people so poorly, saying unkind things about immigrants, vilifying women for their biology, their over-blown reaction to weed, and kicking the poor when they're down. In many cases they can certainly be as under-informed and easily led as any other major American demographic, but my generation is very socially concerned and very empathetic as a whole. We have been exposed to all kinds of socially liberal propaganda through modern children's programming and school-led volunteer efforts, and all our internetting allows us access to an enormous diversity of people and lifestyles. We had also assumed that birth control was generally an awesome thing, so we're all super confused by all the hoopla over it. So if you're being a dick about something, we're going to notice and dislike it. The Republican consultant consensus is generally correct--if they could get better at positive messaging they probably would sway some young voters. But instead they keep going ultra-negative and offensive.

Of course, there's some social issues that the majo ...

Nailed it. I would also add generally weary of unregulated capitalism. Having the banks crash the economy when you're coming of age kinda takes the shine off.

Nabb1:abb3w: WTF Indeed: The Millennials have two grand examples how not to act politically:

Don't be as greedy and selfish as Baby Boomers.Don't be as uninvolved as Gen Xers.

So, they're going to set out to combine the worst features of both, and become Libertarians.

The entitlement generation is not going to like the Libertarian Party too much when they find out that cradle-to-grave government benefits are not part of the deal.

Oh shut the fark up with this bullshiat. We're no more the "entitlement generation" than the farking Boomers. How dare we want the same fair shake and social support that our parents and grandparents enjoyed. How farking dare we desire social and infrastructure investment, livable wages, and some opportunities for advancement. How dare we want the same access to decent healthcare, the ability to own a house, and the ability to raise a family that previous generations enjoyed.We entered/are entering adulthood at a time of incredible wage stagnation, a shiatty economy that was wrecked by forces beyond our control, and intense corporate greed. We are trying to attain the same successes our parents did on less money, with fewer jobs, and with more debt than they ever did (because you have to go to a good, expensive college so you can get a job!). So excuse us for wanting to rebalance the system to fark us just a little less.Jesus farking christ.

/And if anyone is to blame for making us a bunch of whining entitlement monkeys it's the people who raised us.//"I learned it by watching you, Dad!"

Communist_Manifesto:Nailed it. I would also add generally weary of unregulated capitalism. Having the banks crash the economy when you're coming of age kinda takes the shine off.

Yes, I'm really hoping my generation gets the message that it's not the money itself, but what you do with it, that's important. Because we're still being farked by a small group of people who are obsessed with just seeing their money numbers go up.

nocturnal001:That's my general sense of things. Of course never underestimate the ability of the Democrats to screw up.

If they weren't so spineless they would be doubling down on these social issues and ensuring a super majority for the next 40 years.

The Democratic party got on the gay marriage boat quicker and more cohesively than I ever expected them to, so I'm starting to feel hopeful about the weed thing. It would be huge for the party--they could tout a new source of tax revenue, decreased incarceration and costs, more jobs, the list goes on.

ckccfa:I'm part of the Millennial generation, and the biggest determiner amongst my less-politically-informed friends is the perception of assholeishness.....

I, too, am part of the Millenial generation ('89!) and I completely agree with all of this. We are a far more activist generation, we care a great deal about each other as well as ourselves. But I think we've also become far more pragmatic in our global views. There is still an anti-involvement isolationist sense but at the same time we kinda have come to terms with the idea that sometimes involvement in other people's affairs on the global stage is necessary, at least in terms of protecting citizens. We are very much a populist generation. My biggest concern is with getting these throngs of people out to vote every election. The way our system is, we have an election every year and people do get tired of that shiat. I will give props to both the Obama campaign and the Warren campaign for being able to have an extremely effective GOTV effort in 2012. Hopefully that will continue through to 2014 and 2016.

I will take issue with you about the Democrats pushing for Net Neutrality. While I do believe support will come mostly from Democrats, the party as a whole has too much money involved with the telecoms to let this slide. It'll take a continuation of the more liberal and libertarian members of the party to push the party to that direction. As it is, the GOP doesn't appear to have any members actively pushing for it so it is the Democrats chance to get the ball rolling. I just wouldn't bank on them doing such things until the Clintonian section is muted for a bit.

ckccfa:Nabb1: abb3w: WTF Indeed: The Millennials have two grand examples how not to act politically:

Don't be as greedy and selfish as Baby Boomers.Don't be as uninvolved as Gen Xers.

So, they're going to set out to combine the worst features of both, and become Libertarians.

The entitlement generation is not going to like the Libertarian Party too much when they find out that cradle-to-grave government benefits are not part of the deal.

Oh shut the fark up with this bullshiat. We're no more the "entitlement generation" than the farking Boomers. How dare we want the same fair shake and social support that our parents and grandparents enjoyed. How farking dare we desire social and infrastructure investment, livable wages, and some opportunities for advancement. How dare we want the same access to decent healthcare, the ability to own a house, and the ability to raise a family that previous generations enjoyed.We entered/are entering adulthood at a time of incredible wage stagnation, a shiatty economy that was wrecked by forces beyond our control, and intense corporate greed. We are trying to attain the same successes our parents did on less money, with fewer jobs, and with more debt than they ever did (because you have to go to a good, expensive college so you can get a job!). So excuse us for wanting to rebalance the system to fark us just a little less.Jesus farking christ.

/And if anyone is to blame for making us a bunch of whining entitlement monkeys it's the people who raised us.//"I learned it by watching you, Dad!"

Yeah, yeah, it's the same self-absorbed whining Generation X engaged in, too, but we just reacted with detached ambivalence. We were the first generation projected to do worse than their parents. We were raised with the expectation that everyone should go to college in order to secure a good job. You think the 90's were some sort of halcyon days for young people? Ever heard the phrase "McJobs"? We coined that - dead end, low-paying jobs with bad benefits for which we were oh, so over-qualified. Sure, people who latched onto the tech boom early did well, but then that bubble burst. The current trend of wage stagnation has been going on for the middle class for decades. That doesn't make it right, but you aren't the first generation to feel the effects of that. About the only generation of folks still alive that grew up in an age of unheralded prosperity were the baby boomers. Period. My grandparents were born between two world wars and got to experience a depression. Not a recession, but a full-blown depression. We're all trying to get further with less than what the previous generation had. Unfortunately we live in a very materialistic society that somehow decided four-year degrees and office jobs were more socially desirable than skilled trades.

Nabb1:ckccfa: Nabb1: abb3w: WTF Indeed: The Millennials have two grand examples how not to act politically:

Don't be as greedy and selfish as Baby Boomers.Don't be as uninvolved as Gen Xers.

So, they're going to set out to combine the worst features of both, and become Libertarians.

The entitlement generation is not going to like the Libertarian Party too much when they find out that cradle-to-grave government benefits are not part of the deal.

Oh shut the fark up with this bullshiat. We're no more the "entitlement generation" than the farking Boomers. How dare we want the same fair shake and social support that our parents and grandparents enjoyed. How farking dare we desire social and infrastructure investment, livable wages, and some opportunities for advancement. How dare we want the same access to decent healthcare, the ability to own a house, and the ability to raise a family that previous generations enjoyed.We entered/are entering adulthood at a time of incredible wage stagnation, a shiatty economy that was wrecked by forces beyond our control, and intense corporate greed. We are trying to attain the same successes our parents did on less money, with fewer jobs, and with more debt than they ever did (because you have to go to a good, expensive college so you can get a job!). So excuse us for wanting to rebalance the system to fark us just a little less.Jesus farking christ.

/And if anyone is to blame for making us a bunch of whining entitlement monkeys it's the people who raised us.//"I learned it by watching you, Dad!"

Yeah, yeah, it's the same self-absorbed whining Generation X engaged in, too, but we just reacted with detached ambivalence. We were the first generation projected to do worse than their parents. We were raised with the expectation that everyone should go to college in order to secure a good job. You think the 90's were some sort of halcyon days for young people? Ever heard the phrase "McJobs"? We coined that - dead end, low-pay ...

So then why are you insulting and blaming the Millenials for suffering from the same things you did? If you want to position your generation as reacting to the problem with detachment, why are you hating on my generation for actually wanting to do something about it and see it change? Are you jealous of our engagement? We're not self-absorbed whiners--we're complaining about a real problem that has seriously affected the quality of life for most Americans under 50, and it's not like we're demanding that Gen Xers be sacrificed along the way--the things we want would benefit you too. And in American politics, complaining about the problem is the first step to trying to fix it. Who knows if we'll be successful or not, and it will be a while before the doors of political power are open to us, but at least we're recognizing the problem and wanting to fix it.

And really, how can you, in a single paragraph, point out and legitimize the very real and unfair problems facing younger Americans while also calling any complaints about those problems "self-absorbed whining"? Are we not supposed to want fair pay for our work? Are we not supposed to desire economic stability and opportunity? Are we not supposed to want a shot at "the American dream"? Are these not reasonable expectations for the citizens of a wealth super-power? What's your real rhetorical game here?

/If anything, we should be banding together to kill off the vampiric Boomers before they drain us all completely dry.