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The debate kind of lacked substance in general, since it was really just both candidates going over their talking points that they've been spouting for the last year. Obama let Romney slide on plenty of shit, and Romney attacked well. So as I said, I definitely give the debate to Romney.

Also, you seem to be slightly ignorant on the definition of created. Obama claiming he created 5 million jobs is not false. Obama claiming we GAINED 5 million jobs over our previous number would be false. He did create 5 million jobs. We just lost about the same number in the same time period.

Re: 1st Presidential Debate....what did you think?

The debate kind of lacked substance in general, since it was really just both candidates going over their talking points that they've been spouting for the last year. Obama let Romney slide on plenty of shit, and Romney attacked well. So as I said, I definitely give the debate to Romney.

Also, you seem to be slightly ignorant on the definition of created. Obama claiming he created 5 million jobs is not false. Obama claiming we GAINED 5 million jobs over our previous number would be false. He did create 5 million jobs. We just lost about the same number in the same time period.

Linking to politifact while criticizing linking to the GOP, kinda a 6 of 1 half dozen of the other...

Also, how can a job be created when it's just filling a position that was lost during the recession. That's not creating, it's recouping...

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid. - Benjamin Franklin

Re: 1st Presidential Debate....what did you think?

Linking to politifact while criticizing linking to the GOP, kinda a 6 of 1 half dozen of the other...

Also, how can a job be created when it's just filling a position that was lost during the recession. That's not creating, it's recouping...

I'm not sure if you noticed, but politifact called out Obama on plenty too. Also, if it was a job that didn't exist before, that's called creation. If jobs shifted from one sector to another, jobs were lost in one sector, and created in the other.

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I actually liked some of politifacts statements. They were fair but also gave some
opinions instead of facts like the last one posted in the link where they said Romneys
statement that the board will dictate health care that individual Americans will get
aka DEATH PANELS. That was an opinion and so were some others. Even some staunch liberals are against these panels and want to repeal it, officially called the Independent Payment Advisory Board or IPAB.

Like one DEM said on TV, OBAMA CARE has some things wrong and so did the Civil
Rights Bill. LBJ said just pass it and go back and fix it.

I could point out that Mitt did a complete 180 on so many issues during this debate, and that he straight up lied about plenty, but I know you, like the majority of the American public, don't really care about things like fact checking.

In that light, I'll definitely give the debate to Romney. Style over substance. Obama just sat there and took it. So did the moderator in fact.

Re: 1st Presidential Debate....what did you think?

Originally Posted by CptJesus

I'm not sure if you noticed, but politifact called out Obama on plenty too. Also, if it was a job that didn't exist before, that's called creation. If jobs shifted from one sector to another, jobs were lost in one sector, and created in the other.

Seriously?

If lets say (for example) in 2008 100,000,000 people have jobs in 2009 99,500,000 people have jobs and in 2012 99,950,000 people have jobs - nothing has been created, we still have not recouped all the jobs that were lost.

I'm not trying to be condescending here, you have got to be smart enough to see that is not creating anything.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid. - Benjamin Franklin

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Originally Posted by NCRAVEN

Seriously?

If lets say (for example) in 2008 100,000,000 people have jobs in 2009 99,500,000 people have jobs and in 2012 99,950,000 people have jobs - nothing has been created, we still have not recouped all the jobs that were lost.

I'm not trying to be condescending here, you have got to be smart enough to see that is not creating anything.

It's Galin, so no, he's probably not.

I didn't get to watch the debate but I've read a lot about it and it's clear Mitt won. I read the fact checks and while both made a few errors, it's pretty clear Obama made the bigger missteps.

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Re: 1st Presidential Debate....what did you think?

Originally Posted by NCRAVEN

Seriously?

If lets say (for example) in 2008 100,000,000 people have jobs in 2009 99,500,000 people have jobs and in 2012 99,950,000 people have jobs - nothing has been created, we still have not recouped all the jobs that were lost.

I'm not trying to be condescending here, you have got to be smart enough to see that is not creating anything.

You're not understanding the semantics of the phrasing. Let me put in in another way.

If you were to manufacture 500 tractors, and at the same time 500 tractors were destroyed, you have both created 500 tractors, and lost 500 tractors.

So when Obama says 5 million jobs have been created, that is still 100% accurate. You are looking at net gains, which is completely different from actual creation.

Also, I am not Galin. If you look back, we were posting simultaneously at one point.

As far as insults, there was a thread not too long ago where the members of this board basically decided that fact check sites are completely biased and not to be trusted (unless of course they're conservative slanted). I'm just restating the opinion of the people here.

Who said anything about growth? You're missing the fundamental point here. In the exact example you gave me, the 500 tractors that they bought the second time are still new tractors. They were still created, even though the original 500 were destroyed. The new jobs aren't magically old just because we lost other ones. If you can't understand that point, there's no point in arguing. Creation and net gain are two different things. I even pointed out that we lost the same number as we gained. But that still doesn't change the fact that we created jobs.

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This is crazy. Really, you're example is nonsense because hiring someone is not the same as building a tractor, if someone's tractor blows up, they didn't come back and get a new one because they wanted to, they were just replacing. what. was. lost.

Let's use a more realistic example. I worked at a company in 2009 that employed 1,200 people they laid off about 300, 3 years later they have 1,200 again. Nothing was created, they brought back what they already had.

For something to be created, it has to be something that was not there before.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid. - Benjamin Franklin

Are these the exact same jobs that were lost? Did we literally just cut a job and then reinstate it? 5 million new jobs were created. 5 million old jobs were lost. I don't see why this is so hard to get.