I would be interested to hear what you gentlemen think about whether or not we should stay within the EU (may sound like a stupid question, however we may find some gems here, so please post away)

I recently read a post where a fellow said how marie le pen and her party was trying to secure 150 MEP's so that they could push thier agenda through Europe.

If you decide that we should stay within the EU I would be interested to hear you rationals or conditions behind it, likewise if you think we shoud leave.

N.B. please try to keep posts breif.

As far as I am concerned, I am currently undecided on the whole Europe issue. The tabloid press seems to be pushing quite heavily to leave, however if we can generate some form of meaningful reform it might be worthwhile to stay.

The EU is a club of international bankerdom, a lot of its workings/structures/powers were described in "The Protocols", that the UK has been enriched by hundreds of thousands of NMW economic immigrants as well as untold numbers of Roma gypsies and impoverished by billions of pound the UK exchequer has already paid into this club are reasons enough for our departure & that's not mentioning the political powers given to Brussels.

No nationalist could ever pledge allegiance to the capitalist & cosmopolitanism ethos of the EU, even those who look toward a European bloc against globalism speak of a poetic "Europe of a hundred flags" not the blue flag with the yellow stars representing a financial and political superstate.

Cameron is a bastard son of global finance, his posteuring over the latest 2 billion bill from Brussels will be paid, he will however talk tough on the economic and immigration issues crippling our country, the EU will eventually collapse under its own weight, however it may well leave parts of Europe impoverished wastelands with economic migrants in competition with natives for what little work & resources are available.

Leave. Being a white Englishman I have seen nothing but the denigration of my culture and the imposition of immigration, Islam and liberalism, all of which have eroded any wider sense of or value in community pride in being english. The pre-labour government, pre-multi-culturalist, pre-politically correct times were better.

Its a funny old thing really.
On the one hand, we have the government of this country who have refused to listen to the voting populace for at least the last 25 years concerning our concerns over mass immigration.

On the other hand we have governments from other countries who refuse to listen to our concerns about immigration.

I suppose it boils down to how much we trust our own democracy (vs European democracy). I firmly believe that is it one of (if not the) best system in the world, however it still could do with a lot of improvement.

It should not have taken this long for the government to start to sort out the immigration mess (especially after opinion poll after opinion poll constantly put immigration as one of the electorates key issues). And in the meantime we are loosing sovereignty on a routine basis to the EU.

It feels like the way things are going, if the government does eventually make meaningful reform on the mess that was mass immigration to this country, it will be a complete waste of time, as by then we will be permanent members of the EU superstate and will have an uncontrollable influx of EU immigrants into this country.

Medium term it would be cheaper for us to bail out of the EU and put the massive funding that goes EU-wards into things like bolstering up the inevitable ensuing trade deficit which would come from exiting the EU, and shoring up the NHS.

However, the EU is by its very nature liberalist and globalist, which means we'd need a severe change in government in order for that to happen. lab/lib/cons won't be offering us an EU referendum anytime soon, and if/when they ever do, it will be on the basis that they have imported so many liberalist, globalist immigrants in, that they will know which way the vote would go anyway.