graysonavich wrote:
The thread is full of casual WoW players who are just enjoying their leveling experience at a rate that suits them in fact.

Only about 3 or 4 of the posters there actually raid. On average you'll look at 8 or 9 hours a week during "raid season". I guess the same amount of time you'd put into a fortnightly hollywood game during the week/end? I've no idea how long you get get £40 these days.

I'd be exhausted if I was a WoW apologist. Sure there are some extreme examples on both ends. But it's charming when it comes from gamers themselves.

Exactly. I can't think of anyone in the WoW thread who is some sort of hardcore raiding no-lifer. And even the people I know who do raid, only do it once or twice a week, on a weekend for three or four hours.

disusedgenius wrote:
Sure, whose use of FM as an example apparently didn't slow you down at all.

It wasn't great for my point but it also wasn't significant enough to damage it. FM is another major time sink, I at the outset pointed out that no one is going to congratulate you for throwing crazy hours at it either, but it didn't suddenly change my overall point.

Fuck me you are dull, I really struggle to engage you.

Edit: one is generally spoken about in terms of what happened, the other in terms of what level you have finally reached or end game content.

The FM reference is only from my own personal experience. I've a friend who plays it so much some weekends that he gets what we dubbed " The Champy Line™ " which is the line you get under your moobs when you've hunched over your laptop all day.

Timesink games like FM seem more socially acceptable. They're referenced tonnes in other media and generally seem to be received with a positive reaction. So I can only deduce it's the subject matter - rather than the actual time you're sinking.

Graveland wrote:
I was joking earlier about the no-life comment. The fact is though, RPG games (and WoW in particular) are forever stigmatised by being associated with a hardcore minority who really do fit the very worst stereotypes often associated with gaming nerds. They often have terrible personal hygiene, awful social skills and just a general "bully me" aura about them. Rightly, or wrongly, this stereotype is rarely extended to CoD/FIFA obsessives because these people often have interests outside of a cliquey sub-culture.