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Literally: An army which WAGES war in enemy territory WAS SURROUNDED by many dangers. The Romans used to take great pains to avoid such dangers.

Why is ’gerit’ in the present tense? Is this a similar construction to the use of the present tense after DUM? If so, where can I find that information in a grammar?

Or can ’circumdatus est’ also mean ’IS surrounded’, with the participle ’circumdatus’ functioning as a simple adjective? I don’t find it listed as an adjective in any of my dictionaries.

In other words, does the line really mean: ’An army which WAGES war in enemy territory IS SURROUNDED by many dangers’ or ’An army which WAGED war in enemy territory WAS SURROUNDED by many dangers’ (=’An army WAGING war in enemy territory WAS SURROUNDED by many dangers’.

You're quite correct. Gerit is in the present tense, and circumdatus est is in the perfect. I don't know the backround to the story, but it doesn't seem terribly bizarre that, for example, a messenger sent back by a general would be talking about an army surrounded by many dangers on a particular occasion, which is actually still on campaign.

But then the second sentence talks about the general actions of Romans in such circumstances. So I don't understand it either.

I'm sure Episcopus will be along in a moment to explain this apparent inconsistency in Mr D'Ooge's work.

I don't see anything grammatically wrong with saying "the army which is waging war in enemy territory has been encompassed by danger" or something like that. The Latin perfect can either be a true perfect or a pseudo-aorist, so you have to check if this is merely a past event (were) or a past event that affects the present (have been). Then again, it is not exactly rare for Caesar to switch to the present out of the blue

Thanks for your insights and comments. The riddle has been solved and you are both right of course.

The text was not Caesar but Mr d’Ooge’s venture into story-telling half a century before Ecce Romani, Oxford/Cambridge courses, etc – a Roman youth (Publius) grows up and joins Caesar on his campaigns. Pages 204 - 225 in Downloadable D’Ooge from TextKit.

Well, I checked the previous section of the story, at the end of which Publius has just slipped through enemy lines to join Caesar currently besieged in his camp by the Gauls.

So the first sentence (with my ’problem’) carries on in the narrative style of the empbedded reporter, while the second one starts a series of descriptive sentences (’solebant’, etc) about how the Roman army normally operated and how a typical camp was set up. The section ends:

’Talibus in castris qualia descripsimus Publius a Caesare exceptus est.”
(In such a camp as the one we have described, P was welcomed by C.)

So it’s a pure-and-simple case of historic present. Sorry to have troubled you!

There is no inconsistency, I often use present tense to make scenes in the past more vivid. It's evident from context that it is really perfect indefinite. I think these are remnants of chinese people in the romans "Yesterday I go town buy noogles"

Remember the latin perfect participle is actually more consistent than the english one. It means only "having been X-ed". So think about it. Publius is having been welcomed = He was welcomed. If he exists NOW having been at some point in time welcomed, he was welcomed once.

Ab aquila consumptus eram = "I was having been eaten by an eagle" = "I had been eaten by an eagle"

No, Episcope, I only meant the word GERIT was historic present! In the context, the last sentence only signals the end of a descriptive passage and the resumption of the main narrative. So my first sentence

“The army [a specific one now, Caesar’s], (which was) FIGHTING a war in enemy territory, WAS SURROUNDED [or if you like, is having been surrounded, now and therefore at some point in the past] by many dangers.

The story then goes on to tell about 2 rival centurions who were constantly competing with each other until they were forced to help each other during some tough fighting with the enemy. Must be a moral there somewhere ...

Thanks anyway for the drill on excipere and the scream of the bird’s dinner. I was reminded of Prometheus but I think in that case the vulture only feasted on ‘iecur-iecoris’.

Episcopus wrote:There is no inconsistency, I often use present tense to make scenes in the past more vivid. It's evident from context that it is really perfect indefinite. I think these are remnants of chinese people in the romans "Yesterday I go town buy noogles"

Thanks for putting me back on the straight and neutral, Episcope. That's what comes of trying to play with the big boys. D--- those neuters! Will I ever get them right? If I could find the text to Elvis's "Cor ligneum" I might go around humming that until I got 'cor' right at least ... (ie if it's translated with the accusative there).