Yeah, I buy Heck is HMFIC. I like that he has a resume and will seek opinions from Shurmur and Jaron along with sage advice from MH.

I am so happy we arent re-living the dictator nightmares of the past. Butchum, Savage & Manginous. Last year was a breath of fresh air and I look to even better things this year because we now have a coach that is on the same page as our GM and Pres.

I've always bought that Heckert was HMIC. I just didnt see him moving from Phila without the presumption that it was HIS gig. I too, as the article mentions, think the Holmgren-McCoy thing was blown outta proportion. And hey, nothing wrong with a group of guys with similar philosphies actually working as a team.

hiko wrote:I'm a big fan of them taking Green no matter who's in charge.

It's all about how dumb Mike Brown and Pumpkin Blackburn are. Only a pair of dunces draft a stud WR when they have no QB.

IOW, don't expect AJ to be on the board when we pick.

Bengals seem to like Julio over Green from what I've heard..

I see that happening over them taking Green, however, I do see Green being taken in a rumored trade up with the Cardinals by Matty Ice and the Dirty Birds...

Gotta hope that the Broncos go Darius, Bengals go Gabbert, and the Cards go either Fairley or Quinn for us to have the dream pick of the litter between Peterson and Green.

Also, per an interview, Browns seem to dig Green so much they gave him Colts Number.

Swerb wrote:Go start a blog if you want to tell the world your incomprehendible ramblings.

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I have a big arm and can throw the ball pretty damn far...... maybe even over those moutains. The Browns should sign me, i'll let you all in locker room to drink beer. Then we can all go out the parking lot to watch me do motorcycle stunts.

Also, per an interview, Browns seem to dig Green so much they gave him Colts Number.

Where did you hear/see that? If true, that seems pretty strange, no?

BTW, anyone see Tuna's draft special last night? I missed it, but it sounded interesting.

OBR forums..The cooler.

Prefer my Browns analysis from here, and get my Browns news fix from Twitter and that place.

Tuna's special was very good, and enjoyable. Really got you a better feel of how players are scouted and how a war room is run. I missed the first 30 minutes, but it was enjoyable none the less. He ran down his list of what he sees in criterea of being a successful QB, and If I could go back and watch it later on DVR, I'll list them here.

Swerb wrote:Go start a blog if you want to tell the world your incomprehendible ramblings.

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I have a big arm and can throw the ball pretty damn far...... maybe even over those moutains. The Browns should sign me, i'll let you all in locker room to drink beer. Then we can all go out the parking lot to watch me do motorcycle stunts.

Also, per an interview, Browns seem to dig Green so much they gave him Colts Number.

Where did you hear/see that? If true, that seems pretty strange, no?

BTW, anyone see Tuna's draft special last night? I missed it, but it sounded interesting.

OBR forums..The cooler.

Prefer my Browns analysis from here, and get my Browns news fix from Twitter and that place.

Tuna's special was very good, and enjoyable. Really got you a better feel of how players are scouted and how a war room is run. I missed the first 30 minutes, but it was enjoyable none the less. He ran down his list of what he sees in criterea of being a successful QB, and If I could go back and watch it later on DVR, I'll list them here.

Was a link posted or was it someone saying that they read it. Would be interested to read that in print.

Galley Boys are slop on top of a so-so burger and a bun you coulde get from a Covneninet food mart generic pack. They the Antoine Joubert of burgers; soft, sloppy, oozing grease and cheap sauce and extremely overrated by a biased fan base. Proof that if you throw enough cheap sauce shit on a burger you still can't overcome the lame burger. -JB

Swerb wrote:Go start a blog if you want to tell the world your incomprehendible ramblings.

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I have a big arm and can throw the ball pretty damn far...... maybe even over those moutains. The Browns should sign me, i'll let you all in locker room to drink beer. Then we can all go out the parking lot to watch me do motorcycle stunts.

Disagree with the premise. Heckert is in charge of the draft - as he should be. There can only be one HMFIC, and it ain't Tom. At least not while Holmgren is selecting the head coach and installing the offense.

I don't need to be patient, they're going to be shit forever. - CDT, discussing my favorite NFL team

Any validity to the Vikes rumor? Interesting to consider, 6th and 12th this year, lose your second this year and 1st next year.

Would the addition of 2 players this draft make the Browns good enough to put them near the end of the draft order next year?

Peterson/ JonesPeterson/ WattDareus/ AyersJones/ Quinn

I think there are some real good defenders in this draft, guys who could get the Browns an few extra wins next year (assuming similar production to last season). I haven't looked at next year's draft prospects yet, but it could be a good deal.

Erie Warrior wrote: I haven't looked at next year's draft prospects yet, but it could be a good deal.

I did some quick checking, and aside from the top guys, no one really stands out. This of course means nothing right now, but the crux is this:

Can anyone guarantee the Browns won't be the worst team in the league next year? Andrew Luck appears to be the best QB prospect since Manning, and missing out on that would be devastating.

The Browns certainly aren't good, and they certainly aren't deep. When Hillis, Ward or any of the geriatric LBs get hurt next season, they could lose a bunch of games. Steinbach is getting old, and the right side is average at best. I can't say for sure that the Browns won't be in the Luck Sweepstakes in 12 months, so I don't make the deal.

Erie Warrior wrote: I haven't looked at next year's draft prospects yet, but it could be a good deal.

I did some quick checking, and aside from the top guys, no one really stands out. This of course means nothing right now, but the crux is this:

Can anyone guarantee the Browns won't be the worst team in the league next year? Andrew Luck appears to be the best QB prospect since Manning, and missing out on that would be devastating.

The Browns certainly aren't good, and they certainly aren't deep. When Hillis, Ward or any of the geriatric LBs get hurt next season, they could lose a bunch of games. Steinbach is getting old, and the right side is average at best. I can't say for sure that the Browns won't be in the Luck Sweepstakes in 12 months, so I don't make the deal.

Fuckin' A. If the Browns start out 0-5, the season will still be as exciting as shit if they have that 2012 #1. "Lose, boys, and let's bring home football LeBron!"

MIke Brown said he is not trading Palmer. And when he says something, take it to the bank. Palmer may not be bluffing, but I can't see Brown adding the contract of a high-pick QB to Palmer's 8-digit salary (he'll have to assume Palmer isn't retiring, until he does).

Erie Warrior wrote: I haven't looked at next year's draft prospects yet, but it could be a good deal.

I did some quick checking, and aside from the top guys, no one really stands out. This of course means nothing right now, but the crux is this:

Can anyone guarantee the Browns won't be the worst team in the league next year? Andrew Luck appears to be the best QB prospect since Manning, and missing out on that would be devastating.

The Browns certainly aren't good, and they certainly aren't deep. When Hillis, Ward or any of the geriatric LBs get hurt next season, they could lose a bunch of games. Steinbach is getting old, and the right side is average at best. I can't say for sure that the Browns won't be in the Luck Sweepstakes in 12 months, so I don't make the deal.

SD:

Not to mention , Barkley is more than a consolation prize, as a pure passer he well maybe superior to Luck .

That deal stinks , I think they have it backwards anyway , the trade is moving in the wrong direction if anything Minny would look to trade up for a QB before we mortgage next years #1 on any position other than a QB, the draft just has to much depth for that .

The skins second and fourth to move down to ten would be borderline , and since tey don't have a third next years second which is equal to a third might get that done.

Minny at 12 would have to be talking next years #1 , because now you might not be in position to still net an elite player , which would be a deal breaker without a good sweetner.

Erie Warrior wrote: I haven't looked at next year's draft prospects yet, but it could be a good deal.

I did some quick checking, and aside from the top guys, no one really stands out. This of course means nothing right now, but the crux is this:

Can anyone guarantee the Browns won't be the worst team in the league next year? Andrew Luck appears to be the best QB prospect since Manning, and missing out on that would be devastating.

The Browns certainly aren't good, and they certainly aren't deep. When Hillis, Ward or any of the geriatric LBs get hurt next season, they could lose a bunch of games. Steinbach is getting old, and the right side is average at best. I can't say for sure that the Browns won't be in the Luck Sweepstakes in 12 months, so I don't make the deal.

OTOH mitigation-wise, that schedule make me wanna party like it's 2007.

Erie Warrior wrote: I haven't looked at next year's draft prospects yet, but it could be a good deal.

I did some quick checking, and aside from the top guys, no one really stands out. This of course means nothing right now, but the crux is this:

Can anyone guarantee the Browns won't be the worst team in the league next year? Andrew Luck appears to be the best QB prospect since Manning, and missing out on that would be devastating.

The Browns certainly aren't good, and they certainly aren't deep. When Hillis, Ward or any of the geriatric LBs get hurt next season, they could lose a bunch of games. Steinbach is getting old, and the right side is average at best. I can't say for sure that the Browns won't be in the Luck Sweepstakes in 12 months, so I don't make the deal.

Fuckin' A. If the Browns start out 0-5, the season will still be as exciting as shit if they have that 2012 #1. "Lose, boys, and let's bring home football LeBron!"

jb wrote:Yup. Kid from 'zona can ball, too. So add in a Lexus SUV to that as well. Next year is a huge year for real NFL QB prospects.

Luck and Barkley are the front runners.

Foles, Weeden, Moore, Cousins, Pryor- these guys still have a lot to prove. Foles would appear to be the third best, but all this spread bullshit makes it very hard to get a read on them. Kellen Moore is a great example, all the numbers, but against whom?