Enigma ties this to BWS in my opinion. Sleazette is jarring and oh so good. I put this in FZs top third of total releases - and he didn't release it. 2013 could be a great year for unheard Zappa stuff.

it's a fine album, you'll love it, or a least like it a lot; sleazette has some excellent guitar, he really gets into it

you will love the old curiosity shoppe, a.k.a. billy the mountain solos, this jam really beats the carnegie solos, which has a lot of noodling and never gets any traction, this one rocks from the start, a solid replacement for the lost solos boot [aka the 2nd lp of fillmore e or the 2nd lp of jabfla]

I really dig most of disc 1, especially Frank's solos in Sleazette, The Old Curiosity Shoppe & Uncle Rhebus. But to be honest, disc 2 is almost pointless, apart from The Subcutaneous Peril. While it is an essential release, Finer Moments shouldn't have been a 2 disc set...

I really dig most of disc 1, especially Frank's solos in Sleazette, The Old Curiosity Shoppe & Uncle Rhebus. But to be honest, disc 2 is almost pointless, apart from The Subcutaneous Peril. While it is an essential release, Finer Moments shouldn't have been a 2 disc set...

just when you thought Disco Douche couldn't get any stupider...

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I really dig most of disc 1, especially Frank's solos in Sleazette, The Old Curiosity Shoppe & Uncle Rhebus. But to be honest, disc 2 is almost pointless, apart from The Subcutaneous Peril. While it is an essential release, Finer Moments shouldn't have been a 2 disc set...

Agreed. Disc 2 has some alright moments but all the best stuff is on 1.

I really dig most of disc 1, especially Frank's solos in Sleazette, The Old Curiosity Shoppe & Uncle Rhebus. But to be honest, disc 2 is almost pointless, apart from The Subcutaneous Peril. While it is an essential release, Finer Moments shouldn't have been a 2 disc set...

just when you thought Disco Douche couldn't get any stupider...

So sue me if I don't like the farting noises that fill up most of disc 2.

To each their own; I'm conveniently giving this a play on Spotify now and am diggin the more experimental, abstruse stuff/progression in evidence on disc 2 . I can sense the ensuing Subcutaneous Peril complementing it nicely for me too (this is only my 2nd listen to album thus far).

I really like disc 2: the hilarious "Big Squeeze", the experimental/ambiental/Varesian percussion sections, the basement experiment of "Pumped And Waxed" and the great ending with "The Subcutaneous Peril". The only thing that annoys me is Estrada's vocalizations in "Squeeze It", but I have listened to that track so many times during the years that I am almost able to completely ignore it.I find myself listening to "Finer Moment" a lot more often than I'd first thought.

... With a straight face, such fans will assert it was Zappa who taught the young Jimi Hendrix how to use a wah-wah pedal, and Zappa's Freak Out was the album that inspired The Beatles to launch into the unknown with Sgt. Peppers...

... With a straight face, such fans will assert it was Zappa who taught the young Jimi Hendrix how to use a wah-wah pedal, and Zappa's Freak Out was the album that inspired The Beatles to launch into the unknown with Sgt. Peppers...

I was quite shocked by this article, and to think I used to rate Grant's often astute observations in his regular sunday column. I think he really missed the boat on Frank's life's work. I would like to know what cd's the record company "sadist" provided. I have e mailed Smithies a list of books and cd's to aid in his research, but I think he may be one of those people that just doesn't get it, and probably never will......

Side B:1. You Never Know Who Your Friends Are 2’20”2. Uncle Rhebus 17’45”Total: 20’05”

Side C:1. Music From The Big Squeeze 0’42”2. Enigmas 1 Thru 5 8’15”3. Pumped And Waxed 4’19”4. There Is No Heaven From Where Slogans Go To Die 4’37”5. Squeeze It, Squeeze It, Squeeze It 3’17”Total: 21’10”

Side D:1. The Subcutaneous Peril 19’41”Total: 19’41”

This double-album is only about 3 minutes longer than the length of a single disc. I sure wish they had put sides A, B, and C on Disc 1 and loaded Disc 2 with side D and about an hour of bonus tracks from the vault. A lot of recent releases have been on the short-side lately and that is disappointing.

The liner notes list Dave Samuels as playing vibes on "There Is No Heaven..." [aka "You Call That Music?"]. However, the IINK site credits read "unknown guest soloist" on vibes. IINK lists Samuels as only playing with FZ on Dec. 26-29, 1976.

Born in October of 1948, Samuels would have been only twenty years old when "There Is No Heaven..." was recorded. And it doesn't sound like an overdub.Can anyone shed some light on this mystery?

The liner notes list Dave Samuels as playing vibes on "There Is No Heaven..." [aka "You Call That Music?"]. However, the IINK site credits read "unknown guest soloist" on vibes. IINK lists Samuels as only playing with FZ on Dec. 26-29, 1976.

Born in October of 1948, Samuels would have been only twenty years old when "There Is No Heaven..." was recorded. And it doesn't sound like an overdub.Can anyone shed some light on this mystery?

Samuels has said (in email correspondence with Andy Hollinden who has taught college courses about Zappa) he did not play on "There Is No Heaven..."/"You Call That Music?" and that he wasn't even playing vibraphone yet in 1969. I guess no one brought this to Joe or Gail's attention, so they repeated what FZ wrote in the credits of YCDTOSA 4.

I had a theory it was David Friedman (who was playing with Tim Buckley in 1969, and later had a band called Double Image with Dave Samuels) but Friedman has said he wasn't on this track either.

Samuels has said (in email correspondence with Andy Hollinden who has taught college courses about Zappa) he did not play on "There Is No Heaven..."/"You Call That Music?" and that he wasn't even playing vibraphone yet in 1969. I guess no one brought this to Joe or Gail's attention, so they repeated what FZ wrote in the credits of YCDTOSA 4.

I had a theory it was David Friedman (who was playing with Tim Buckley in 1969, and later had a band called Double Image with Dave Samuels) but Friedman has said he wasn't on this track either.

Impressive deductions, pbuzby! I can only add that I'm positive it was not Yoko. <rusty trombone slide> <rimshot>

I'm not going to say exactly how I went about acquiring this, but...suffice to say I'm fkkn glad that no money changed hands! Because if I'd paid for it I'd feel extremely ripped off.

The nearest things to "revelations" are that interesting through-composed (?) percussion piece and the musique concrete that follows (though the latter doesn't have the musical substance of, say, "Zolar Czakl" despite being three times its length).

Out of context, the Albert Hall radio scan jam is a bit "so what" (and not in the MD sense!). "The Old Curiosity Shoppe" is nice but not outstanding as `Mountain jams' go. The Carnegie Hall stuff is already redundant.

And the rest - the "possibly History Box related" stuff? It overlaps with the Stage Series, the Mystery/Episodes discs, or the Acetates - but these edits aren't even as long as the acetates, let alone "authentic"/"exactly as it happened".

And another frustration is that "Uncle Rhebus" (btw: shouldn't that be "Rhesus", given the "King Kong" konnection!) doesn't actually prove that "Baked Bean Boogie" is the end part of the Meat/Kong medley. It's entirely possible that after Buzz's (monster of a) solo, Frank started a solo but gave up quickly because something was wrong with his guitar/sound equipment, gave the keyboardist (who sounds more like Ian than Don, to my ears) a cue to solo, and then when he was through, took another solo which turned into "Baked Bean Boogie"...but because of the gap between The Ark and Finer Moments we've no proof!

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And another frustration is that "Uncle Rhebus" (btw: shouldn't that be "Rhesus", given the "King Kong" konnection!) doesn't actually prove that "Baked Bean Boogie" is the end part of the Meat/Kong medley.

Is this in anyway related to this:

Quote:

'M-A-R,' hyphen, 'J-U-H,' hyphen, 'R'There's another 'R'This 'R' will stand for'Rebus,' which is a puzzle with pictures in itThen there's an 'E'It's a very long obnoxious 'E' to the nth degreeAnd then there's an 'N'Which is the 'N' of the 'E' with the nth degreeAnd then there's a tiny weeny dwindling-off little 'E' on the end of the thingBy the time I'd finished spelling mar-juh-reneCorrectly, including two hyphensMy eyes felt a lot better and I was ready for the next part of the song

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The liner notes list Dave Samuels as playing vibes on "There Is No Heaven..." [aka "You Call That Music?"]. However, the IINK site credits read "unknown guest soloist" on vibes. IINK lists Samuels as only playing with FZ on Dec. 26-29, 1976.

Born in October of 1948, Samuels would have been only twenty years old when "There Is No Heaven..." was recorded. And it doesn't sound like an overdub.Can anyone shed some light on this mystery?

Samuels has said (in email correspondence with Andy Hollinden who has taught college courses about Zappa) he did not play on "There Is No Heaven..."/"You Call That Music?" and that he wasn't even playing vibraphone yet in 1969. I guess no one brought this to Joe or Gail's attention, so they repeated what FZ wrote in the credits of YCDTOSA 4.

I had a theory it was David Friedman (who was playing with Tim Buckley in 1969, and later had a band called Double Image with Dave Samuels) but Friedman has said he wasn't on this track either.

It's interesting that you can hear Lowell George yelling "Hands up!" on the Albert Hall recording on disc 1. I always thought Lowell was out of the Mothers by June of '69. That is him though, isn't it?

It's interesting that you can hear Lowell George yelling "Hands up!" on the Albert Hall recording on disc 1. I always thought Lowell was out of the Mothers by June of '69. That is him though, isn't it?

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