On television, it was stated by the news anchor on SBS, that Scotland Yard warned the Israel Embassy BEFORE the explosions started.

igwt

07-07-2005, 08:55 AM

Netanyahu Changed Plans Due to Warning

By AMY TEIBEL, Associated Press Writer Thu Jul 7, 7:14 AM ET

JERUSALEM - British police told the Israeli Embassy in London minutes before Thursday's explosions that they had received warnings of possible terror attacks in the city, a senior Israeli official said.

The major news stations are reporting that there wasn't any advance warning!!

HMMMMM!!!!

Quandry!!!

In Peace,
BlueAngel

CNN reported;

People are sitting ducks in subways, stadiums, etc.

I assume this is their plan. Wanting us to become PRISONERS in our own homes.

Afraid to venture out!

igwt

07-07-2005, 09:35 AM

It gets stranger. Here is an email update I received from Newsmax:

Breaking from NewsMax.com

# CIA Expert Warns of 'Ominous Sign'

# US Transit Systems on Alert

# Expert: Bombings Mirror Madrid Attacks

# Buckingham Palace Under Tight Security

# Stock Markets in Europe Fall

# Netanyahu Changed Plans; Israel May Have Had Warning

# Blair Vows 'Our Way of Life' Continues

For these and more breaking stories go to NewsMax.com

If this News Alert has been forwarded to you and you would like a subscription, please visit: http://www.newsmax.com/email.shtml

07-07-2005, 09:40 AM

Actually, in my opinion they're flooding us with disinformation.

I mean, it's a simple question.

Was there advance warning or not?

If so, who received it?

and

then

STEP UP TO THE PLATE!!

In Peace,
BlueAngel

07-07-2005, 09:42 AM

But, IGWT, keep the thread alive with whatever information you gather and then it will be completely obvious as to their manipulation of the masses by hiding the TRUTH with a flood of conflicting information.

JERUSALEM - British police told the Israeli Embassy in London minutes before Thursday's explosions that they had received warnings of possible terror attacks in the city, a senior Israeli official said.

Israeli Finance Minister Benjamin Netanyahu had planned to attend an economic conference in a hotel over the subway stop where one of the blasts occurred, and the warning prompted him to stay in his hotel room instead, government officials said.

Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom said he wasn't aware of any Israeli casualties.

Just before the blasts, Scotland Yard called the security officer at the Israeli Embassy to say they had received warnings of possible attacks, the official said. He did not say whether British police made any link to the economic conference.

The official spoke on condition of anonymity because of the nature of his position.

The Israeli Embassy was in a state of emergency after the explosions in London, with no one allowed to enter or leave, said the Israeli ambassador to London, Zvi Hefet.

All phone lines to the embassy were down, said Danny Biran, an Israeli Foreign Ministry official.

The ministry set up a situation room to deal with hundreds of phone calls from concerned relatives. Thousands of Israelis are living in London or visiting the city at this time, Biran said.

Amir Gilad, a Netanyahu aide, told Israel Radio that Netanyahu's entourage was receiving updates all morning from British security officials, and "we have also asked to change our plans."

Netanyahu had been scheduled to stay in London until Sunday, but that could change, Gilad said.

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The person who reported this spoke with anonymity.

POINTS:

Amir Gilad, a Netanyahu aid, told Israel Radio that Netanyahu's entourage was receiving updates all morning from British security officials, and "we have also asked to change our plans."

--So, why did British Police tell the Israeli Embassy in London only minutes before the blast if Netanyahu was receiving updates all morning?

Netanyahu planned to stay in a hotel above the subway where one of the blasts occurred.

--His life was spared due to the actions of the British security officials communicating with him; however, what did they do regarding the subway?

Nothing, I assume.

Couldn't they have closed it?

In Peace,
BlueAngel

igwt

07-07-2005, 10:24 AM

This is from a news group:

>The police have said that there was no advance warning, but this
>> website:
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_London_transport_explosions
>>
>> says that:
>>
>> "It was reported on CBS News that a senior Israeli official said that
>> British police told the Israeli Embassy in London minutes before the
>> explosions that they had received warnings of possible terror attacks
>> in the city.The Guardian attributes the initial report of a warning to
>> an Israeli "Foreign Ministry official, speaking on condition of
>> anonymity," but adds Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom's later denial on
>> Israel Army Radio: "There was no early information about terrorist
>> attacks."

More on this...

BREAKING: Scrambled cover-up to try and change prior knowledge story.

Original reports stated that Binyamin Netanyahu was warned BEFORE the first
blast, now all the Associated Press reports are being changed to say he was
warned AFTER the first blast, for example this article.

The article linked below that we saved in our own format (and the website
that carried it has strangely since crashed) said that Netanyahu was warned
before the first blast.

Israel are now denying they got a warning.

http://breakingnews.iol.ie/news/story.asp?j=122106240&p=yzzyx68zx

BREAKING: Scotland Yard says it got a warning before the attack and told
Israel.

"The Israeli Embassy in London was notified in advance, resulting in Finance
Minister Binyamin Netanyahu remaining in his hotel room rather than make
his way to the hotel adjacent to the site of the first explosion, a
Liverpool Street train station, where he was to address and economic
summit."

The warning contradicts the fact that the original explanation of a power
surge went out for an hour or more. They knew it was an attack but put out
a false explanation. Plus why did Netanyahu get a warning and the victims
didn't?

We have been told that the events unfolding today were "inevitable",
London's transport network has been hit with multiple explosions. Both the
Underground and Busess have been hit. Events are still unfolding.

[ur]http://www.prisonplanet.com/Pages/033004_Stasi_London.html[/url]
We predicted this would happen over a year ago after analysing the
propaganda and fearmongering that was being ratcheted up to the extreme in
London. Paul Joseph Watson has predicted these events as imminant several
times on The Alex Jones Show in recent months.

Tony Blair is not in London but safely tucked up in Scotland with seven
other World Leaders including President Bush. The political eyes of the
world are on Britain this week. The Mayor of London Ken Livingstone is in
Singapore where the IOC has just awarded the Olympic Games to London, he is
rushing back to the city.

Just like the events of 9/11, ask yourself, who stands to gain from this?
Could this have been organised by any group other than one who has direct
unlimited access to all areas of London's transport grid at all times?

This has MI5 written all over it. Just watch that national ID card
legislation sail through. Only 15% of the country supported the government
after the last election, this will ensure total fealty to a smarmy Blair
and whatever he wants to do. Ken Livingstone and the opposition parties
will now have no grounds to reject ID card legislation, especially with the
Olympics coming to London in 2012.

The police state measures they'll get out of this will be overlayed onto all
forms of transport. In fact, you won't be able to travel without the ID
card. Although MI5 operations are normally more sophisticated than things
like 9/11, in that the evidence linking it to the government is more
carefully covered, just watch for the evidence of inside involvement to
trickle out. MI5 have been caught involved in IRA bomings multiple times
over.

07-07-2005, 10:48 AM

So, Is Amy Tiebel of the Associated Press going to change what she wrote?

It's right here!!

It always comes down to who is going to benefit from the acts of crime they commit upon humanity and, we know, that it certainly isn't us.

The people in England have their doubts about Blair, so they will continue to try to tie a noose around their necks. National ID cards, perhaps. More terrorist attacks.

They squeeze and we squeeze!!

I'm glad you've posted what you have! I think it was very good work!!

But, then again, what would I know!!

8-)

In Peace,
BlueAngel

07-07-2005, 11:02 AM

I find it quite interesting that many times, INTELLIGENCE agencies receive prior knowledge of terrorist attacks by the group responsible and that these "cells" immediately go public to claim credit for their "dirty deed."

Sometimes, it's just so scripted, I can't believe it!!

In Peace,
BlueAngel

P. S. The group claimed that Britian was running scared from North to South and East to West.

Something to that effect.

But, you know, the only way Blair and our Presdient can continue to call this a "War on Terror" and hope that the people continue to believe their BULLSHIT is to step up the attacks.

What? You don't believe that they train and supply terror groups all around the world for their own benefit?

Come on, now!! WAKE UP!! Remember 911????

nohope187

07-07-2005, 11:26 AM

Explosions In London
Who Stands To Gain? Israel Warned, Cover-up In Progress
Prisonplanet | July 07 2005
BREAKING: Scrambled cover-up to try and change prior knowledge story.
Original reports stated that Binyamin Netanyahu was warned BEFORE the first blast, now all the Associated Press reports are being changed to say he was warned AFTER the first blast, for example this article.
The article linked below that we saved in our own format (and the website that carried it has strangely since crashed) said that Netanyahu was warned before the first blast.
Israel are now denying they got a warning.
BREAKING: Scotland Yard says it got a warning before the attack and told Israel.
"The Israeli Embassy in London was notified in advance, resulting in Finance Minister Binyamin Netanyahu remaining in his hotel room rather than make his way to the hotel adjacent to the site of the first explosion, a Liverpool Street train station, where he was to address and economic summit."
The warning contradicts the fact that the original explanation of a power surge went out for an hour or more. They knew it was an attack but put out a false explanation. Plus why did Netanyahu get a warning and the victims didn't?
We have been told that the events unfolding today were "inevitable", London's transport network has been hit with multiple explosions. Both the Underground and Buses have been hit. Events are still unfolding.
We predicted this would happen over a year ago after analyzing the propaganda and fearmongering that was being ratcheted up to the extreme in London. Paul Joseph Watson has predicted these events as imminent several times on The Alex Jones Show in recent months.
Tony Blair is not in London but safely tucked up in Scotland with 7 other World Leaders including President Bush. The political eyes of the world are on Britain this week. The Mayor of London Ken Livingstone is in Singapore where the IOC has just awarded the Olympic Games to London, he is rushing back to the city.
Just like the events of 9/11, ask yourself, who stands to gain from this? Could this have been organized by any group other than one who has direct unlimited access to all areas of London's transport grid at all times?
This has MI5 written all over it. Just watch that national ID card legislation sail through. Only 15% of the country supported the government after the last election, this will ensure total fealty to a smarmy Blair and whatever he wants to do. Ken Livingstone and the opposition parties will now have no grounds to reject ID card legislation, especially with the Olympics coming to London in 2012.
The police state measures they'll get out of this will be overlaid onto all forms of transport. In fact, you won't be able to travel without the ID card. Although MI5 operations are normally more sophisticated than things like 9/11, in that the evidence linking it to the government is more carefully covered, just watch for the evidence of inside involvement to trickle out. MI5 have been caught involved in IRA bombings multiple times over.
I lost the hyperlinks to this article but, you can get them at infowars or prisonplanet. :-P

nohope187

07-07-2005, 11:31 AM

same deal with this article :-P
Former MI5 Agent Says 9/11 An Inside Job
Says Israel bombed their own London embassy'
Prison Planet | June 27, 2005
Former MI5 agent David Shayler, who previously blew the whistle on the British government paying Al Qaeda $200,000 to carry out political assassinations, has gone on the record with his conviction that 9/11 was an inside job meant to bring about a permanent state of emergency in America and pave the way for the invasions of Afghanistan, Iraq and ultimately Iran and Syria.David Shayler joined MI5 in October 1991 and worked there for five years. He started at F Branch (counter-subversion) in January 1992, and worked in T Branch (Irish terrorism) from August 1992 until October 1994. He left the organization in 1996.
Shayler appeared on The Alex Jones Show to kick off what will be a wider public campaign to educate the public on 9/11 issues and government corruption.
Shayler again risked jail by speaking out. The British government has a legal gag preventing him from speaking about his work during his MI5 tenure. Since what Shayler discussed was already on the public record (a consequence of which was his imprisonment on two separate occasions), he now feels safer in stepping back out into the limelight.
Shayler delved into his past investigations and the evidence that led some within MI5 to conclude that the Israelis bombed their own London embassy in July 1994. Shayler said that the Israelis framed two Palestinians who remain in jail to this day.
"The same thing has happened with two Palestinians who were convicted of conspiracy to cause the attack on the Israeli Embassy in Britain in 1994 but MI5 didn't disclose two documents which indicated their innocence. One document indicated another group had carried out the attack and the other document was the belief of an MI5 officer that the Israelis had actually bombed their own embassy and allowed a controlled explosion to try and get better security and these documents were never shown to the trial judge let alone the defense."
Shayler said that his suspicions were first aroused about 9/11 when the usual route of crime scene investigation was impeded when the debris was immediately seized and shipped off to China.
"It is in fact a criminal offence to interfere with a crime scene and yet in the case of 9/11 all the metal from the buildings is shipped out to China, there are no forensications done on that metal. Now that to me suggests they never wanted anybody to look at that metal because it was not going to provide the evidence they wanted to show people that it was Al-Qaeda."
Shayler then went on to dismiss the incompetence theory.
"The more I look at it, you realize that it's not incompetence. There were FBI officers all over the country, Colleen Rowley is obviously the one who managed to get a congressional hearing, but there was plenty of evidence certainly."
"There are so many questions that need to be answered, protocols being overridden within national defense, people actively being stopped from carrying out investigations. This wasn't an accident, they were aware there was intelligence indicating those kind of attacks, there were FBI intercepts saying it in the days before the attacks. When you look at it all, that is a big big intelligence picture and yet these people were crucially stopped from doing their jobs, stopped from trying to protect the American people."
Shayler elaborated by saying the evidence suggests the attack was originally meant to be much wider in scope and was an attempt at a violent coup intended to decapitate the entire government as a pretext for martial law.
"So you're looking at a situation in which you almost have a coup de'tat because you've got to bear in mind that there were weapons discovered on planes that didn't take off on 9/11. Now people have obviously postulated that they were going perhaps to attack the White House, Capitol Hill. That looks to me like an attempt to destroy American government and declare a state of emergency, in fact a coup de'tat, a violent coup de'tat."
"There are so very many questions about this and you realize again that none of the enquiries ever get to the bottom of any of these things, they don't take all the evidence, they don't often take any evidence under oath when they should be taking it under oath."
Shayler was forthright in his assertion that the attack was planned and executed within the jurisdiction of the military-industrial complex.
"They let it happen, they made it happen to create a trigger to be able to allow the invasion of Afghanistan, the invasion of Iraq and of course what they're trying to do now is the same thing with the invasion of Iran and Syria."
Shayler ended by questioning the highly suspicious nature of the collapse of the twin towers and Building 7, the first buildings in history, all in the same day, to collapse from so-called fire damage alone.
"I've seen the results of terroristic explosions and so on and no terrorist explosion has ever brought down a building. When the IRA put something like a thousands tonnes of home-made explosives in front of the Baltic Exchange building in Bishopsgate and let off the bomb, all the glass came out, the building shook a bit but there was no question about the building falling down and it doesn't obey the laws of physics for buildings to fall down in the way the World Trade Center came down. So you have the comparison of the two, Building 7 compared with the north and south towers coming down and those two things are exactly the same, they were demolished."
David Shayler joins a spate of recent credible whistleblowers who share the same sentiments about the real story behind 9/11. Former Chief Economist for the Department of Labor during President George W. Bush's first term Morgan Reynolds publicly questioned the unexplained collapse of WTC Building 7 earlier this month. In addition, a former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury under President Reagan, Paul Craig Roberts, shared his concerns last week when he said the Bush Administration were making the same mistakes as the Nazis when they invaded Russia in the dead of Winter. Roberts seriously doubts the official explanation behind 9/11.

nohope187

07-07-2005, 11:43 AM

this one too. :-P
Blasts hit London Underground, buses
Reuters | July 7, 2005
COMMENT:
The military-industrial complex has the motive in this latest attrocity. Every major western government, including the British, has been caught red-handed carrying out bombings against their own people and blaming it on external enemies. It is mainstream news in Spain that the government was involved in the 3/11 bombing. The London 7/7 bombings are nothing different. Government ghouls are now all over television spreading the fear to encourage the people to submit to the war on terror.

Emergency teams have responded to the blasts
Explosions have rocked London, killing at least two and wounding scores in what Prime Minister Tony Blair said was an apparent terrorist attack coinciding with a meeting of Group of Eight leaders in Scotland.
Witnesses on Thursday saw the top was ripped off a double-decker bus near Russell Square close to King's Cross train terminal and the twisted wreckage of another in Tavistock Square nearby.
Several underground railway stations were also hit.
Two people were killed in the rush-hour explosion at Aldgate East underground station, police said.
"[We can] confirm there were two fatalities at Aldgate East
station this morning," a police spokeswoman said.
"It is reasonably clear that there have been a series of terrorist attacks in London," Blair said at the summit. He added that he would return to London in the "next couple of hours".
A doctor at Aldgate underground station in the east of the financial centre of the city said at least 90 people were wounded at that location.
Transit shut down
The entire underground system was shut down and major thoroughfares were blocked off by police and ambulance services.
London's police chief Ian Blair said there were indications of explosives at one of the blast sites.
"We are aware that one of the sites certainly does contain indications of explosives," he told Sky Television. "We are
concerned that this is a coordinated attack."
There was no immediate claim of responsibility.
Covered in blood
People were seen streaming out of one underground station covered with blood and soot. Passengers were evacuated from stations across the capital, many in shock and with their clothes ripped to shreds, witnesses said.
Police said many of the city's underground stations were affected.
Passengers were evacuated from
many stations
Initially, rail officials blamed the explosions on a power surge.
"It is too early to state what has happened," a London police spokesman said. "I cannot comment on reports of bombs, but we have had multi-reports of explosions around London."
Another police spokesman said: "There have been some casualties and this has been declared a major incident."
Signs of attack
Security experts said the incidents bore all the hallmarks of an al-Qaida attack.
"If what we are looking at is a simultaneous bombing - and it does look like that - it would very certainly fit the classic al-Qaida methodology," said Shane Brighton, intelligence expert at the Royal United Services Institute for Defence.
Financial markets took fright, with stocks diving and demand for government bonds and safe-haven currencies soaring.
The first reports of blasts centred on the city's underground railway system.
Aldgate East station
Emergency services rushed to Aldgate East at 8.59am (0759 GMT).
"There were people streaming out of Aldgate station covered in blood," said witness Kate Heywood, 27, on her way to work.
A Reuters correspondent at Oxford Circus, at the heart of the system, heard an announcement over the public-address system saying: "A power outage has occurred London-wide. All train services are suspended."
Police sealed off large areas around other underground and mainline railway stations. Firefighters donned chemical protection suits before rushing into stations.
Half a dozen people with soot-blackened faces and dishevelled clothes sat on the floor at Russell Square station or stood in shock as police cordoned off the area and ambulance crews raced in, one witness said.

Yeoshua

07-07-2005, 01:38 PM

07-07-2005, 01:53 PM

And, so, we head back to the original attack, 911, which preceded the "tightening" of the nooses around our necks:

David Shayler states:

"So you're looking at a situation in which you almost have a coup de'tat because you've got to bear in mind that there were weapons discovered on planes that didn't take off on 9/11. Now people have obviously postulated that they were going perhaps to attack the White House, Capitol Hill. That looks to me like an attempt to destroy American government and declare a state of emergency, in fact a coup de'tat, a violent coup de'tat."

------------------------------------------

So, you must also bear in mind that the President was not in Washington. The location of Cheney and the others in case the White House was attacked???

Declaring a State of Emergency, but ultimately Martial Law is their goal.

Wake up, people!!

Military rule, police state.

We have Nazi, fascist pigs attacking OUR country. The one they profess to LOVE, waving the flag, shouting freedom at every opportunity they are provided, but they attack us and others through the employment of terrorist organizations they create in their quest to overthrow every government in the world, every leader in the world.

These men have committed TREASON and it is time that they are TRIED for their crimes.

THEY did not protect us on 911!!

Plain and simple.

I expect no less from the greatest military power in the world.

In Peace,
BlueAngel

If they can only employ their "military industrial complex" and fire up the "war machine" to ROB and steal billions from the American people, wage war based on lies, killing innocent men, women and children then they need to LEAVE THE BUILDING!!!!

July 7, 2005 — In what appears to be the first major break in the London terrorist attacks, U.S. authorities tell ABC News that British police have recovered two unexploded bombs in London.

In addition, British investigators say that parts of timing devices have been recovered from several of the blast sites. The unexploded devices and timing mechanisms should provide important evidence that could help determine who was behind the attacks, sources told ABC News.

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/Investigation/story?id=918193

07-07-2005, 04:19 PM

Could be a designed distraction to keep "eyes" off the conflicting information as to whether or not they had prior warning.

Could be a designed distraction so, of course, after they analyze the evidence they can point their finger at a terrorist group other than themselves.

Who examines the evidence, I wonder?

Hmmm!!

Certainly someone THEY employ.

and

Not being an expert in this field, how does one determine who was responsible for the attack through the examination of bombs??

I mean, does each terrorist group use a specific type of bomb???

So, would it be their fingerprints or THEIR fingerprints???

In Peace,
BlueAngel

07-07-2005, 04:36 PM

"Terrorism is the best political weapon for nothing drives people harder than a fear of sudden death."
~ Adolf Hitler

07-07-2005, 07:52 PM

Any news???

What's "monkey face" saying?

Anything?

Give me something to chew on!!

igwt

07-07-2005, 08:07 PM

Drudge still has headline:

Netanyahu Changed Plans Due To Warning

http://www.drudgereport.com/

Co-incidently, 9-11 Mayor was yards from blast

:-o

07-07-2005, 08:19 PM

IGWT,

I just have to say and it's not like I'm anybody around here, but you have done a superb job in starting this thread and following it through.

Investigative reporting is what we lack in this country.

Gathering all information that they throw out there so the PUBLIC can see that they are constantly contradicting themselves is vital in uncovering their "method of operandi."

This was studied in mind control programs on their victims. FLOODING the brain with too much information causes a "shut down" mode. Can't figure it out, so you just give up. It's too difficult to find a needle in a haystack. TOO MUCH DISINFORMATION causes confusion. Also, a mind control tactic.

But, to give up is to surrender and to surrrender is unacceptable in the true spirit of patriotism.

We must call on our leaders to take responsiblity for their actions.

We demand nothing less!!

This is our country!!!

There will be much more disinformation to come in the days ahead.

igwt

07-07-2005, 08:56 PM

BA

Data overload stress disorder , known to be a problem in an age where information doubles every day!

Just saw this on the web.

July 8, 2005
Timers Used in Blasts, Police Say; Parallels to Madrid Are Found
By DON VAN NATTA Jr. and ELAINE SCIOLINO

LONDON, July 7 - Investigators searching for clues in the attacks here said Thursday that the three bombs used in the subway apparently were detonated by timers, not suicide bombers, and that a fourth device may have been intended for a target other than the city bus that it destroyed.

Senior police officials said they had not received a message claiming responsibility for the attacks from any group, and had made no arrests. But officials immediately drew parallels between the London bombings and the ones that struck commuter trains in Madrid 16 months ago, which were carried out by a Qaeda-inspired cell.

By Thursday night, there were far more questions than answers confronting Scotland Yard. One official said none of the scores of suspected terrorists being watched closely in England appeared to be involved.

Police and intelligence officials acknowledged that they were taken completely by surprise by the coordinated bombings, even though they had been anticipating a terrorist attack for years.

The officials said there was no warning or even a hint that an attack was imminent among the blizzard of intelligence accumulated in recent days by the Metropolitan Police and by MI5, the domestic intelligence services.

"There was no intelligence in our possession that these attacks were going to take place today," said Brian Paddick, deputy assistant commissioner of the Metropolitan Police. "We were given no warning from any organization that this was going to happen."

Since Sept. 11, 2001, senior police officials have warned that a large-scale terror attack in Britain was not a matter of if but when, a prediction repeated by a senior police official late last month.

The Joint Terrorist Analysis Center even reduced the threat level of a terrorist attack from "severe-general" to "substantial" early last month. There are seven levels to the security scale, with severe-general the third most severe and substantial the fourth.

The threat levels are not made public, but they reflect the intelligence on potential attacks and help officials to make decisions about staff levels. The alert level was not raised to coincide with the opening of the Group of 8 summit meeting in Scotland, officials said.

Mr. Paddick and other police officials denied that the lower ranking affected the level of the emergency response to the bombings on Thursday. He also rejected the suggestion that the ranking reflected a conclusion that the terrorist threat had eased here.

"We felt it was appropriate, bearing in mind all the intelligence that we were in possession of," he said. "We are content that the security system was appropriate, notwithstanding the G-8 summit that was happening in Scotland."

Michael Mates, a senior member of Parliament's Intelligence and Security Committee, said, "There was certainly a heightened awareness this week, although it's likely that resources were a bit more focused on the G-8 summit."

Upon his return to London on Thursday afternoon, Prime Minister Tony Blair vowed that the authorities would mount "the most intense police and security investigation to bring those responsible to justice."

Foreign Secretary Jack Straw said the explosions bore "the hallmarks of an Al Qaeda-related attack," but police officials stopped short of assigning any blame to a particular group.

A group calling itself the Secret Organization of Al Qaeda in Europe announced on a Web site that it was responsible for the bombings. The announcement also threatened Italy and Denmark, which have provided troops to the American-led coalition fighting in Iraq.

The authenticity of the message could not be confirmed, and several experts said they strongly doubted that it was authentic.

American intelligence officials said they had begun a detailed review of data gathered in recent weeks to search for possible clues. "Everybody's going back and looking over their reporting to see if we overlooked anything or failed to share it," one senior intelligence official said.

Counterterrorism officials in London said they were still trying to determine the type of explosives that were used. One official speculated that the No. 30 bus whose roof was blown off at 9:47 a.m. in Bloomsbury was demolished accidentally by a suicide bomber. But another theory gaining momentum was that the bomb exploded prematurely as a bomber was carrying it to an intended target, several American and British counterterrorism officials said.

The officials said that the three subway bombs appeared to have been detonated by timers, not cellphones or other remote triggers. The bombs on the trains were believed to be package bombs and are believed to have been left by the attackers who fled before they went off.

Officials refused to confirm or deny reports that two unexploded package bombs were recovered from trains. A senior American intelligence official said the British had conducted "at least one controlled explosion" of a suspicious package found after the attacks, but he said he could not confirm that the package was another bomb.

The bombings in Madrid and London were separated by 16 months, and the ones in Madrid were set off by cell phones. But the attacks bear eerie similarities and grim lessons for counterterrorism officials.

"Madrid carried terror to the heart of Europe, but we never believed we would be a lonely, unique case," Jorge Dezcallar, who was the head of Spain's foreign intelligence service at the time of the Madrid attacks, said in a telephone interview. "We just had the bad luck of being chosen as the first target, but not the last. London, like Madrid, proves how vulnerable we are."

Like Madrid, the attacks on London were aimed not at symbols of power like Big Ben or Westminster Abbey but at the mundane: ordinary workers making their way to work at the busiest time of the day. In Madrid, 191 people were killed by the 10 bombs that ripped through four commuter trains during the morning rush hour.

The effect in both cities was to paralyze the ordinary workings of the city. British authorities announced that every inch of every subway train in London would be examined to insure that no more explosives had been planted, just as the Spanish authorities examined every commuter train.

"The explosions were designed to elicit panic among the people," Gen. Hamidou Laanigri, Morocco's chief of security, said in a telephone interview. "That is always the logic of terrorism: to get the maximum attention and impact."

Another similarity is that politics may have played a role in the timing. Thursday was the first day of the Group of 8 talks, led by Mr. Blair at Gleneagles, near Edinburgh. The bombings in Madrid came three days ahead of a close national election.

Both Spain and Britain sent troops to aid the American-led war in Iraq and the military attack in Afghanistan, although it is not known whether support for American foreign policies played a role in the London attack.

British and Spanish intelligence services are operating on the assumption that a network with allegiance to Al Qaeda, either Arabs or one of the emerging Pakistani groups in Europe, was responsible for the London attacks, several intelligence officials said.

"It is still too early to definitively say who carried out these attacks," said Matt Levitt, a former F.B.I. agent and now a senior fellow and director of terrorism studies at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy. "But as the investigation into the London bombings proceeds, authorities should not be surprised if the evidence reveals a more critical link to the Madrid attacks."

Senior counterterrorism officials say Al Qaeda had evolved from a structured, hierarchical group to a decentralized organization that relies on small independent groups to carry out "Al Qaeda-inspired attacks."

"There have been a lot of attempts" in London, said Baltasar Garzón, a Spanish judge who has investigated Al Qaeda for years. "And in this case, they finally hit some of the easiest targets with these trains. Their only real obstacle to this kind of action is getting the explosives. Once they have them, it's very easy to attack targets like Sunday trains."

Mr. Mates, of the Intelligence and Security Committee, said it had been only a matter of time before a coordinated attack struck London. He said the authorities had thwarted at least three coordinated attacks in London since 9/11. "We've caught and prevented those who were trying to get through and stopped them," he said.

Britain has considerable experience investigating bombs and identifying those responsible, based on years of attacks in London and in Northern Ireland by the Irish Republican Army.

Since the invasion of Iraq in March 2003, Osama bin Laden and other groups have threatened to attack Britain in retaliation for its support of the United States. Last April, Mr. bin Laden demanded that Britain and other American allies pull out of Iraq by July 15, 2004. The deadline passed without incident.

Counterterrorism officials have said they worried that the prime target was the 122-year-old Underground, the world's busiest subway system, which ferries three million people each day. The subway and most public streets are monitored by a vast network of closed-circuit television cameras, whose images were being reviewed Thursday by investigators.

Officials said they were confident that the forensic investigation collected at the four sites would yield clues that might help them identify and arrest those responsible for the attacks. They also hoped to recover DNA samples from bombs and body fragments. All those arrested in Britain must provide DNA samples even if they do not face criminal charges.

Don Van Natta Jr. reported from London for this article and Elaine Sciolino from Paris. Reporting was contributed by David Johnston, David E. Sanger and Scott Shane from Washington, Stephen Grey from London, Tim Golden from New York and Souad Mekhennetfrom Frankfurt.

07-07-2005, 09:42 PM

igwt wrote:
BA

Data overload stress disorder , known to be a problem in an age where information doubles every day!

Just saw this on the web.

July 8, 2005
Timers Used in Blasts, Police Say; Parallels to Madrid Are Found
By DON VAN NATTA Jr. and ELAINE SCIOLINO

LONDON, July 7 - Investigators searching for clues in the attacks here said Thursday that the three bombs used in the subway apparently were detonated by timers, not suicide bombers, and that a fourth device may have been intended for a target other than the city bus that it destroyed.

Senior police officials said they had not received a message claiming responsibility for the attacks from any group, and had made no arrests. But officials immediately drew parallels between the London bombings and the ones that struck commuter trains in Madrid 16 months ago, which were carried out by a Qaeda-inspired cell.

By Thursday night, there were far more questions than answers confronting Scotland Yard. One official said none of the scores of suspected terrorists being watched closely in England appeared to be involved.

Police and intelligence officials acknowledged that they were taken completely by surprise by the coordinated bombings, even though they had been anticipating a terrorist attack for years.

Completely by surprise!! What about the reports of Net being warned and updated all morning?

The officials said there was no warning or even a hint that an attack was imminent among the blizzard of intelligence accumulated in recent days by the Metropolitan Police and by MI5, the domestic intelligence services.

Completely by surprise!! What about the reports of Net being warned and updated all morning?

"There was no intelligence in our possession that these attacks were going to take place today," said Brian Paddick, deputy assistant commissioner of the Metropolitan Police. "We were given no warning from any organization that this was going to happen."

Completely by surprise!! What about the reports of Net being warned and updated all morning?

Since Sept. 11, 2001, senior police officials have warned that a large-scale terror attack in Britain was not a matter of if but when, a prediction repeated by a senior police official late last month.

The Joint Terrorist Analysis Center even reduced the threat level of a terrorist attack from "severe-general" to "substantial" early last month. There are seven levels to the security scale, with severe-general the third most severe and substantial the fourth.

The threat levels are not made public, but they reflect the intelligence on potential attacks and help officials to make decisions about staff levels. The alert level was not raised to coincide with the opening of the Group of 8 summit meeting in Scotland, officials said.

Mr. Paddick and other police officials denied that the lower ranking affected the level of the emergency response to the bombings on Thursday. He also rejected the suggestion that the ranking reflected a conclusion that the terrorist threat had eased here.

"We felt it was appropriate, bearing in mind all the intelligence that we were in possession of," he said. "We are content that the security system was appropriate, notwithstanding the G-8 summit that was happening in Scotland."

Michael Mates, a senior member of Parliament's Intelligence and Security Committee, said, "There was certainly a heightened awareness this week, although it's likely that resources were a bit more focused on the G-8 summit."

Upon his return to London on Thursday afternoon, Prime Minister Tony Blair vowed that the authorities would mount "the most intense police and security investigation to bring those responsible to justice."

Foreign Secretary Jack Straw said the explosions bore "the hallmarks of an Al Qaeda-related attack," but police officials stopped short of assigning any blame to a particular group.

A group calling itself the Secret Organization of Al Qaeda in Europe announced on a Web site that it was responsible for the bombings. The announcement also threatened Italy and Denmark, which have provided troops to the American-led coalition fighting in Iraq.

The authenticity of the message could not be confirmed, and several experts said they strongly doubted that it was authentic.

American intelligence officials said they had begun a detailed review of data gathered in recent weeks to search for possible clues. "Everybody's going back and looking over their reporting to see if we overlooked anything or failed to share it," one senior intelligence official said.

They had data that was gathered in recent weeks!!! They didn't share!!! WTF???

Counterterrorism officials in London said they were still trying to determine the type of explosives that were used. One official speculated that the No. 30 bus whose roof was blown off at 9:47 a.m. in Bloomsbury was demolished accidentally by a suicide bomber. But another theory gaining momentum was that the bomb exploded prematurely as a bomber was carrying it to an intended target, several American and British counterterrorism officials said.

The officials said that the three subway bombs appeared to have been detonated by timers, not cellphones or other remote triggers. The bombs on the trains were believed to be package bombs and are believed to have been left by the attackers who fled before they went off.

I guess if you were leaving a bomb you would flee before they went off!!!

Officials refused to confirm or deny reports that two unexploded package bombs were recovered from trains. A senior American intelligence official said the British had conducted "at least one controlled explosion" of a suspicious package found after the attacks, but he said he could not confirm that the package was another bomb.

What? Refuse to confirm or deny!! Either you found two unexploded bombs or you didn't!!! They conducted at least one controlled explosion of a suspicious package fround after the attacks, but couldn't confirm if it ws a bomb!!!! Found where??? If it's an explosion, wouldn't that indicate that it's a bomb????

The bombings in Madrid and London were separated by 16 months, and the ones in Madrid were set off by cell phones. But the attacks bear eerie similarities and grim lessons for counterterrorism officials.

"Madrid carried terror to the heart of Europe, but we never believed we would be a lonely, unique case," Jorge Dezcallar, who was the head of Spain's foreign intelligence service at the time of the Madrid attacks, said in a telephone interview. "We just had the bad luck of being chosen as the first target, but not the last. London, like Madrid, proves how vulnerable we are."

Like Madrid, the attacks on London were aimed not at symbols of power like Big Ben or Westminster Abbey but at the mundane: ordinary workers making their way to work at the busiest time of the day. In Madrid, 191 people were killed by the 10 bombs that ripped through four commuter trains during the morning rush hour.

Aimed at the mudane, ordinary workers. Well, they're certainly not going to kill Blair, Bush or Net!! Net was alerted to get the hell out of DODGE!! Think they wanted him dead, but some snitch saved his life???

The effect in both cities was to paralyze the ordinary workings of the city. British authorities announced that every inch of every subway train in London would be examined to insure that no more explosives had been planted, just as the Spanish authorities examined every commuter train.

"The explosions were designed to elicit panic among the people," Gen. Hamidou Laanigri, Morocco's chief of security, said in a telephone interview. "That is always the logic of terrorism: to get the maximum attention and impact."

Really? Is that what they're trying to accomplish here??? Anxiety, fear, panic in the masses. All contribute to psychological changes. Instilling the fear of death is their goal.

Another similarity is that politics may have played a role in the timing. Thursday was the first day of the Group of 8 talks, led by Mr. Blair at Gleneagles, near Edinburgh. The bombings in Madrid came three days ahead of a close national election.

Oh, give me a break!! Blame it on the G8 talks!!

Both Spain and Britain sent troops to aid the American-led war in Iraq and the military attack in Afghanistan, although it is not known whether support for American foreign policies played a role in the London attack.

British and Spanish intelligence services are operating on the assumption that a network with allegiance to Al Qaeda, either Arabs or one of the emerging Pakistani groups in Europe, was responsible for the London attacks, several intelligence officials said.

Why are they operating on this assumption?? Because we've been conditioned to believe it must be Al Qaeda or some other Arab group???

"It is still too early to definitively say who carried out these attacks," said Matt Levitt, a former F.B.I. agent and now a senior fellow and director of terrorism studies at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy. "But as the investigation into the London bombings proceeds, authorities should not be surprised if the evidence reveals a more critical link to the Madrid attacks."

Senior counterterrorism officials say Al Qaeda had evolved from a structured, hierarchical group to a decentralized organization that relies on small independent groups to carry out "Al Qaeda-inspired attacks."

Oh, yes, they continue to get away with murder because our government allows it!!!

"There have been a lot of attempts" in London, said Baltasar Garzón, a Spanish judge who has investigated Al Qaeda for years. "And in this case, they finally hit some of the easiest targets with these trains. Their only real obstacle to this kind of action is getting the explosives. Once they have them, it's very easy to attack targets like Sunday trains."

Why is it so easy???

Mr. Mates, of the Intelligence and Security Committee, said it had been only a matter of time before a coordinated attack struck London. He said the authorities had thwarted at least three coordinated attacks in London since 9/11. "We've caught and prevented those who were trying to get through and stopped them," he said.

Can we have details on this please???

Britain has considerable experience investigating bombs and identifying those responsible, based on years of attacks in London and in Northern Ireland by the Irish Republican Army.

Since the invasion of Iraq in March 2003, Osama bin Laden and other groups have threatened to attack Britain in retaliation for its support of the United States. Last April, Mr. bin Laden demanded that Britain and other American allies pull out of Iraq by July 15, 2004. The deadline passed without incident.

Nice how they refer to him as Mr. Bin Laden. Nice how they can use him to threaten other countries from some secret hide-out or else he will strike again. Where is he anyway?

Counterterrorism officials have said they worried that the prime target was the 122-year-old Underground, the world's busiest subway system, which ferries three million people each day. The subway and most public streets are monitored by a vast network of closed-circuit television cameras, whose images were being reviewed Thursday by investigators.

Officials said they were confident that the forensic investigation collected at the four sites would yield clues that might help them identify and arrest those responsible for the attacks. They also hoped to recover DNA samples from bombs and body fragments. All those arrested in Britain must provide DNA samples even if they do not face criminal charges.

People were arrested? Who?

Don Van Natta Jr. reported from London for this article and Elaine Sciolino from Paris. Reporting was contributed by David Johnston, David E. Sanger and Scott Shane from Washington, Stephen Grey from London, Tim Golden from New York and Souad Mekhennetfrom Frankfurt.

igwt

07-07-2005, 10:37 PM

BA

Interesting observation. Here is an update from ABC news:

Last Update: Friday, July 8, 2005. 2:32pm (AEST)
Damaged cars in Tavistock Square, London after several blasts hit

Damaged cars in Tavistock Square, London after several blasts hit (Reuters )

Fifty dead in London bombings: Howard

Australian Prime Minister John Howard says he believes the death toll from London's terrorist bombings has reached 52, with hundreds injured.

Mr Howard says seven Australians are being treated in hospital, including one who is in critical condition.

"In the nature of things, sadly the death toll is likely to climb," Mr Howard said.

The peak-hour attacks happened as the Group of Eight (G8) rich nations held a summit at Gleneagles in Scotland.

"The attacks will resonate particularly with millions of Australians," Mr Howard said. "There is no city outside our own cities better known to generations of Australians than the city of London.

"The location of the attacks are locations familiar to so many of us. This brutal, indiscriminate, unforgivable attack on innocent people going about their daily lives is a mark of the depraved character of the people who carried it out."

Mr Howard says it is too early to say who is responsible for the attacks, though there are clear similarities with last year's Madrid attacks and past Al Qaeda operations.

"Clearly, it is a terrorist group," the Prime Minister said. "There are similarities between this attack and the attack in Madrid, not least of course and most obviously that it was an attack on the rail network of a major city.

"The latest advice I have through the discussions with the British intelligence is it's just too early to make a judgment but the link with the G8 seems inescapable and the method, the sequencing, the timing of the attacks, all of that bears a very close similarity to the methodology that was employed in Madrid."

Mr Howard added: "There are obviously great similarities with past Al Qaeda activities. I can't tell you whether it's definitely an Al Qaeda operation. It could be. It could be an operation of an outfit that mimics Al Qaeda but has only a loose association with it or it could be another terrorist group."

He says the London attacks were not just attacks on Western Christians but that people of many different religions - and no religion - would be among the victims.
Australian alert level

Mr Howard says Australia remains a terrorism target, though there is no specific intelligence that the threat to Australia is any higher in the wake of the London blasts.

He says Australia's national anti-terrorism committee met shortly after the blasts but unanimously decided against any change to the alert level in Australia, which remains at medium.

"We do not have any specific intelligence of any kind suggesting that because this attack has taken place then it's more likely that there will be an attack on the Australian homeland," Mr Howard said.

"I must nonetheless say that this country could be the subject of an attack like this."

He added: "We will do everything within our power ... to prevent an attack occurring."

Mr Howard says he cannot say at this stage whether Australia will need to beef up security at its road and rail transport systems to match airport security.

"I find that question impossible to answer except to say that whatever security steps are needed and reasonable and proportionate to the potential threat ought to be adopted," he said.
Investigation team

Mr Howard says Australia will send six officials to the United Kingdom to help with the investigation into the blasts.

The team is made up three Australian Federal Police personnel, including a bomb expert and a counter-terrorism specialist, as well as one person from the Victoria police, one from the New South Wales police and one from the Department of Transport and Regional Services.

The Prime Minister says the bombings will not deter his travel plans this month, including a planned visit to the United Kingdom.

"It's more important than ever that I go there," Mr Howard said.

"It was an important time before the events of the last 24 hours [and] it's doubly important now because any suggestion that an attack like this would interfere with the exchanges that ought to go on at a head of government level between countries like Britain and Australia would be quite appalling."

Mr Howard has repeated that he believes the West still faces a long struggle in the war on terrorism but that it is making progress.

He says the Government is weighing its options on a return of Australian military personnel to Afghanistan.

Federal Opposition Leader Kim Beazley says Australia must remain aware that it is under threat from terrorists.

He says the attacks in London will not diminish Labor's support for the return of Australian troops to Afghanistan.

"Taliban and Al Qaeda elements exist and to some degree exist and are coming back in Afghanistan," Mr Beazley said.

"This is not acceptable. This is something that must be dealt with."

igwt

07-07-2005, 11:29 PM

Another report from Rense says Illuminati behind attacks and initial news reports were definitely designed to confuse.

Today is 7/ 7 2005 {2+5} or 777, a "perfect" day for the insane Illuminati to do one of their dirty deeds. One thing the Illuminati are into is rituals and numbers. The Illuminati like to leave their secret markings on their crimes. Remember 911?

Bush and Blair desperately needed some kind of new "terrorist" attack because they were losing the support of their citizens for the war in Iraq.The "Downing Street Memo" was a problem for both Bush and Blair and was not going away.
http://www.downingstreetmemo.com/

The G8 anti-poverty demonstrations were also a negative factor for these two men and the other six G 8 members. So what better way to divert the people's attention than to "order up" a "terrorist" bombing in the U.K.

All this may sound pretty unbelievable, but it's no different than the Illuminati engineered 911 killing "mass casualty producing event", but on a much smaller scale.

You have to watch the initial news reports which were purposely confusing. After all if you control all the news media, you can report just about anything you'd like to report for your benefit. From the news reports, it sounded like there weren't as many deaths as the Illuminati had expected. First there was a report of only two deaths, which is much less than this insane group of killers and gangsters had expected. Check out the following news headline and see if you notice anything strange:
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/07/07/london.tube/index.html

"U.S. law enforcement sources say the British government has said at least 40 people are dead in bomb attacks." On the same page you will notice "two confirmed dead". Plus what is "US law enforcement sources" { whatever that means} reporting so quickly on how many dead there are in London? Why wouldn't the London police report something like that themselves?

From the way the news of the bombings were reported, it sounded that possibly a few of their bombs did not go off as planned. There was a report that there were two buses that had blown up, when only one bus was confirmed and pictures were shown.

"12:35 Scotland Yard revises the number of blasts down to four, three in the underground system and one on a bus. These are: Russell Square and Kings Cross Underground, Moorgate, Aldgate and Liverpool Street Underground, Edgware Road station and Tavistock Square where there was an explosion on a bus."

Then you have the typical claiming of responsibility by some unknown bogus "terrorist" group called " the "Secret Organization group of al Qaeda Organization in Europe," who claimed responsibility in a Web site posting. The authenticity of the claim could not immediately be verified." People will not even remember the name of this bogus organization by tomorrow.
Plus it was not even claimed to be a "suicide" bombing, so any of the US or British "black ops" killer government groups could have easily planted their bombs on the trains and bus and remotely detonated them. Since it already has been established that this was a supposed "terrorist" attack, there will be no need for a CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION to find out where the bomb parts came from and WHO made the bombs>>>CASE CLOSED, no more investigation needed here.YEAH RIGHT SURE! The People will never notice this one BIG major give away for the real "black ops" perpetrators of the killing act to get away "scott free" in so-called "terrorist" attacks. One need look no further than Israel to see this kind of Modus Operandi by government controlled "black ops" small groups of individuals. So called "suicide" bombings in Israel and elsewhere go un-investigated thoroughly like other crimes, if it is called a "suicide TERRORIST" bombing". People would never want to believe that their gangster leaders would kill their own citizens for the benefit of the "elite" super wealthy Illuminati "rulers" and their connected web of gangsters,killers and thieves. But one only has to look at 911 to see this possible TRUTH!

There were even reports that Scotland Yard knew about the attacks before they took place, which is very strange. How could Scotland Yard have such information and possibly know who, what, where, when the attacks would occur and then DO NOTHING to stop them or warn their British citizens? Obviously an investigation is warranted.

http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/3489.asp

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0507/S00103.htm

The Illuminati desired damage had been done. They got their "TERRORIST DID IT" headline in their corporate controlled news media, which scared the shit out of the British People, who will now call "for something to be done" Tony Blair is temporarily off the hook for the "Downing Street Memo". Bush can ride on this "terror" coat tails because Americans can relate to riding on buses and possibly being blown up too. FEAR is being used here big time. Support for the bogus "war on terror" will increase again unfortunately and these gangster killers can continue their sick insane war in Iraq and steal billions of taxpayer dollars from the multi-billion dollars of weapons sales and bogus multi-billions of dollars of contracts to rebuild Iraq.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0%2C2763%2C1522983%2C00.html

Probably the most sickening thing of this whole killing event is to hear Tony Blair and Bush call this London killing act "BARBARIC", while the US military has 'shock and awed" with their deadly precision bombs; and had their military BARBARICALLY KILL OVER ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND innocent Iraqi children, women and men, and wound, maim and torture hundreds of thousands more in this unnecessary horrendous SICK "war for oil and profit" in Iraq!!! How can the Illuminati supported Bush and Blair get away with their BARBARIC ACTS of killing on such a grand scale and the People not see this hypocrisy???

STOP THE SICK INSANE ILLUMINATI GANGSTERS AND KILLERS NOW!

PEACE

Michael Shore

igwt

07-08-2005, 02:14 AM

Officials: Timing Devices Discovered in London

July 7, 2005 — In what appears to be the first major break in the London terrorist attacks, U.S. authorities tell ABC News that police in London have recovered key parts of the timing devices that set off the bombs, suggesting they were planted in packages or bags and left behind.

Officials now believe that all the bombs were detonated by timing devices. Earlier today, British investigators had believed that the bomb on the bus was the work of a suicide bomber, sources said.

The most important piece of evidence in Madrid was the discovery of a backpack in the rubble. A cell phone inside had been wired as a bomb detonator, and the phone led police to the terrorists. They were able to track where it had been sold, who had sold it and who had bought it.

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/Investigation/story?id=918193

igwt

07-08-2005, 04:39 AM

Olympic joy ends

"Britain rose yesterday morning with a spring in its step, buoyed by our Olympic triumph," says the Daily Mail.

"Within hours that confidence had been shattered - the euphoria obliterated," it continues.

"Make no mistake Britain will almost certainly have to sacrifice some of our ancient legal rights if we wish to protect our citizens."

Could see that coming...

rushdoony

07-08-2005, 05:51 AM

I bet you dollars to donuts
that within a very short
period of time Iran will get blamed
for London bombings.

And I know that is no great insight
or revelation to 90% of the people
who come to this board.

07-08-2005, 09:16 AM

WE BOMB THEM AND THEY BOMB US!!

And, so it goes. The cycle of violence continues.

The masses are becomming accustomed to the lifestyle of living with the fear that they could be the victim in a bombing at any time now.

They are conditioning US to this end.

We either accept or reject!!

Dreak

07-08-2005, 10:26 AM

What do these people expect from us !?

Its not like whoever is doing these attacks are goin after military installations..there blowing up inocent peeps goin about there daily life ( they have children,wives,husbands and friends and family )

If they even have a clue to whom is clueless in this world I would think they would stop blowing these poor souls up.

I know..we have blown up inocent people too in "military" campaigns.

The one thing that would scare the hell out of me is if some kind of Nuke/Biological weapon went off as a terrorist attack. I mean .. can you imagine what would happen then ? I could see the "mark of the beast" happining in Short order.

07-08-2005, 10:50 AM

I think the Anthrax scare was their first attempt at biological warfare.

thokhanCep

07-08-2005, 11:31 AM

So I woke up yesterday , my father said it was an AL C I A duh kinda sky ... blue ... and clear . That was before the chem trails came out to play.

My sister the night before was smokin on some pot saw that Britian 2012 olympic bid was a go .. she mentioned to her stoner friend ... I bet they will have a terrorist strike.

I am outside doing a few chores and I hear that London has had a "terrorist" strike!!

Well oh my god.... I didn't rush out and buy a newspaper..or watch T V I figured the "underground" would dig up enough dirt to find out "who dunnit"

And of course there were prior warnings .. a heads up for "important" people to lay low.

The retards slipped up again!!

You would think that 9-11 was a leak fest and that they would screen the news releases.

Nope

Stupidity reigns supreme.

I think stupid people should perish
They stand behind their bought and paid for polivictims who make sure these fake/real operations happen smoothly.

They are the oil for the military industrial complex ... they keep the war machine churning.

I think I will start asking "who let 9-11 happen?"

In that question its obvious I am pointing at the illuminati/NWO/Skull and Bones
alpha gettio's

If they blurt out "Osama" than indeed they are too brain washed to be helped
which equals
Punch in face and or kick in groin
which ever

Seriously though
Buy some ammo .. get a gun.
Feel safe ... cause if we were all armed to the teeth

Dead "terrorists" do not look suspicious
They can not harm innocent people
and 95% are not even from the middle east
go figure........

nohope187

07-08-2005, 02:44 PM

thokhanCep wrote:
95% are not even from the middle east
go figure........
They work in your local PD. You will hear the knock on your door at midnight and they will charge in wearing their usual attire- black ski masks and full body armor toting fully automatic weapons. strange how Hitlerist Germany and Stalinist Russia is happening here. :-P

igwt

07-08-2005, 06:16 PM

Interesting article from Dr Makow,' London is World Terror Headquarters' at http://savethemales.ca/

There has been massive confusion over a denial made by the Israelis that the
Scotland Yard had warned the Israeli Embassy in London of possible terrorist
attacks "minutes before" the first bomb went off July 7. Israel warned
London of the attacks a "couple of days ago," but British authorities failed
to respond accordingly to deter the attacks, according to an unconfirmed
rumor circulating in intelligence circles. While Israel is keeping quiet for
the time-being, British Prime Minister Tony Blair soon will be facing the
heat for his failure to take action.

Analysis

The Associated Press reported July 7 that an anonymous source in the Israeli
Foreign Ministry said Scotland Yard had warned the Israeli Embassy in London
of possible terrorist attacks in the U.K. capital. The information
reportedly was passed to the embassy minutes before the first bomb struck at
0851 London time. The Israeli Embassy promptly ordered Israeli Finance
Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to remain in his hotel on the morning of July 7.
Netanyahu was scheduled to participate in an Israeli Investment Forum
Conference at the Grand Eastern Hotel, located next to the Liverpool Street
Tube station -- the first target in the series of bombings that hit London
on July 7.

Several hours later, Israeli Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom officially
denied reports that Scotland Yard passed any information to Israel regarding
the bombings, and British police denied they had any advanced warning of the
attacks. The British authorities similarly denied that any information
exchange had occurred.

Contrary to original claims that Israel was warned "minutes before" the
first attack, unconfirmed rumors in intelligence circles indicate that the
Israeli government actually warned London of the attacks "a couple of days"
previous. Israel has apparently given other warnings about possible attacks
that turned out to be aborted operations. The British government did not
want to disrupt the G-8 summit in Gleneagles, Scotland, or call off visits
by foreign dignitaries to London, hoping this would be another false alarm.

The British government sat on this information for days and failed to
respond. (sic)

Though the Israeli government is playing along publicly, it may not stay
quiet for long. This is sure to apply pressure on Blair very soon for his
failure to deter this major terrorist attack.
For more breaking intelligence on this and other stories, please visit
premium.stratfor.com.

(IsraelNN.com) Army Radio quoting unconfirmed reliable sources reported a
short time ago that Scotland Yard had intelligence warnings of the attacks a
short time before they occurred.

The Israeli Embassy in London was notified in advance, resulting in Finance
Minister Binyamin Netanyahu remaining in his hotel room rather than make his
way to the hotel adjacent to the site of the first explosion, a Liverpool
Street train station, where he was to address an economic summit.

At present, train and bus service in London have been suspended following
the series of attacks. No terrorist organization has claimed responsibility
at this time.

Israeli officials stress the advanced Scotland Yard warning does not in any
way indicate Israel was the target in the series of apparent terror attacks.

Ex-Israeli PM Netanyahu scheduled for talks at site of London blast
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/050707/323/fmtyr.html

igwt

07-09-2005, 01:02 AM

Now Ephraim Halevy, the British-born
former Mossad chief, calls for world war!!!

Efraim Halevi, THE JERUSALEM POST Jul. 7, 2005

The multiple, simultaneous explosions that took place today on the
London transportation system were the work of perpetrators who had an
operational capacity of considerable scope. They have come a long way
since the two attacks of the year 1998 against the American embassies in
Nairobi and Dar-Es-Salaam, and the aircraft actions of September 11,
2001.

There was careful planning, intelligence gathering, and a sophisticated
choice of timing as well as near-perfect execution. We are faced with a
deadly and determined adversary who will stop at nothing and will
persevere as long as he exists as a fighting terrorist force.

One historical irony: I doubt whether the planners knew that one of the
target areas, that in Russell Square, was within a stone's throw of a
building that served as the first headquarters of the World Zionist
Organization that preceded the State of Israel.

It was at 77 Great Russell Street that Dr. Chaim Weizmann, a renowned
chemist, presided over the effort that culminated in the issuing of the
Balfour Declaration, the first international recognition of the right of
the Jewish people to a national home in what was then still a part of
the Ottoman Empire.

We are in the throes of a world war, raging over the entire globe and
characterized by the absence of lines of conflict and an easily
identifiable enemy. There are sometimes long pauses between one attack
and another, consequently creating the wrong impression that the battle
is all over, or at least in the process of being won.

Generally speaking, the populations at large are not involved in the
conflict, and by and large play the role of bystanders. But once in a
while, these innocents are caught up in the maelstrom and suffer the
most cruel and wicked of punishments meted out by those who are not
bound by any rules of conduct or any norms of structured society. For a
while, too short a while, we are engrossed with the sheer horror of what
we see and hear, but, with the passage of time, our memories fade and we
return to our daily lives, forgetting that the war is still raging out
there and more strikes are sure to follow.

It cannot be said that seven years after this war broke out in east
Africa, we can see its conclusion. We are in for the long haul and we
must brace ourselves for more that will follow. The 'Great Wars' of the
20th century lasted less than this war has already lasted, and the end
is nowhere in sight.

There will be supreme tests of leadership in this unique situation and
people will have to trust the wisdom and good judgment of those chosen
to govern them. The executives must be empowered to act resolutely and
to take every measure necessary to protect the citizens of their country
and to carry the combat into whatever territory the perpetrators and
their temporal and spiritual leaders are inhabiting.

The rules of combat must be rapidly adjusted to cater to the necessities
of this new and unprecedented situation, and international law must be
rewritten in such a way as to permit civilization to defend itself.
Anything short of this invites disaster and must not be allowed to
happen.

The aim of the enemy is not to defeat western civilization but to
destroy its sources of power and existence, and to render it a relic of
the past. It does not seek a territorial victory or a regime change; it
wants to turn western civilization into history and will stop at nothing
less than that.

It will show no mercy or compassion and no appreciation for these noble
values when practiced by us. This does not mean that we can or should
assume the norms of our adversaries, nor that we should act
indiscriminately. It does mean that the only way to ensure our safety
and security will be to obtain the destruction, the complete
destruction, of the enemy.

MUCH HAS been said in recent years about the vital need for
international cooperation. There is no doubt that this is essential. Yet
no measure of this will suffice and it cannot replace the requirement
that each and every country effectively declare itself at war with
international Islamist terror and recruit the public to involve itself
actively in the battle, under the direction of the legal powers that be.

In the past, governments have been expected to provide security to their
citizens. The responsibility is still there, in principle. But in
practice, no government today can provide an effective 'suit of
protection' for the ordinary citizen. There can be no protection for
every bus, every train, every street, every square. In these times the
ordinary citizen must be vigilant and must make his personal
contribution to the war effort. Private enterprise will have to
supplement the national effort in many walks of life.

The measures that I have outlined above will not be easily adopted
overnight. When the US entered World War Two, Congress approved the
momentous decision by a majority of one vote. Profound cultural changes
will have to come about and the democratic way of life will be hard-
pressed to produce solutions that will enable the executive branch to
perform its duties and, at the same time, to preserve the basic tenets
of our democratic way of life. It will not be easy, but it will be
essential not to lose sight of every one of these necessities.

This war is already one of the longest in modern times; as things appear
now, it is destined to be part of our daily lives for many years to
come, until the enemy is eliminated, as it surely will be.

The writer, who heads the Center for Strategic and Policy Studies at the
Hebrew University in Jerusalem, is a former head of the Mossad.

http://tinyurl.com/az4tf

07-09-2005, 08:25 AM

Isn't there an article within this thread that reports arrests were made?

I'm reading an article now that reports NO arrests were made.

Dreak

07-09-2005, 08:40 AM

I would think that some arrests have been made..however I dont think they will go public untill the interrigations and agreements have been done.

Know that you will probably not know too much about anyone involved. even if there were public arrests they could be decoys to decieve the "terrorists" into thinking we know nothing about the actual peeps involved behind these things.

Peace Dreak

nohope187

07-09-2005, 11:58 AM

Why the fuck am I not suprised. :-P
Attack On London: Blair Plays The Terror Card
Prison Planet | July 7, 2005
By Paul Joseph Watson
The attack on London represents a brutal attempt to coral the British population behind accepting the introduction of the national ID card, renewing support for the war on terror and reinvigorating trust in a government that had the backing of less than 15 per cent of the country.
Even at this very early stage it is clear that the evidence points to inside involvement.
The statement on a website from an unknown Al-Qaeda group claiming responsibility is exactly what we'd expect after such an event. Santa Claus could post a message saying he was responsible for the attack, does that make it so? Rupert Murdoch's Sky News are busy playing Al-Qaeda training videos with masked militants jumping through flaming hoops. The emotive propaganda is clear, these images are being linked in montages with past images of 9/11, the Bali bombing and the Madrid bombing and injured people crying in the streets.
Even if the police and government back away from the Al-Qaeda claim, which now appears to be the case, pro-establishment Neo-Con media outlets will repeat it like an endless drumbeat until it sinks in.
The key evidence thus far is as follows.
Original Associated Press and Israeli radio reports stated that Binyamin Netanyahu, the former Israeli Prime Minister received a warning before the first explosion that an attack was about to take place. Scotland Yard passed on a warning to the Israeli embassy who forwarded it to Netanyahu. Netanyahu was due to make a speech at a Hotel adjacent to the site of the first blast. He cancelled the speech and remained in his hotel room.
Arutz Sheva sourced Army Radio with the following.
"The Israeli Embassy in London was notified in advance, resulting in Finance Minister Binyamin Netanyahu remaining in his hotel room rather than make his way to the hotel adjacent to the site of the first explosion, a Liverpool Street train station, where he was to address and economic summit."
For an hour after the first blast, the government and the news media were reporting that the cause was an electrical power surge. If the government knew bombs were going to go off before they did, why did they report for an hour that it was an accident? Were they trying to bide time so they could get their story straight?
Both Scotland Yard and the Israelis have since denied that they had any foreknowledge of the attack.
Since the original report, major TV news networks have been completely silent on the Netanyahu story. They are just repeating claims that there was no prior knowledge.
About an hour after the story broke, Associated Press started altering their online news stories, stating that Netanyahu got the warning after the first blast and not before. It seems as if they are scrambling to co-ordinate their cover story. Either there were no warnings or the warning was after the first blast. The dithering seems to suggest there is some confusion on how to successfully hide the smoking gun, the fact that Netanyahu was warned before the first explosion.
Why didn't the people on the trains and buses get the same warning?
On June 7th, MI5 downgraded the London terror alert from its second highest level “severe general” to a lower category of “substantial”.
Why did they do this, was somebody lowering the guard?
The timing of the attack is very suspicious, coming on the heels of the start of the G8 conference. Both Tony Blair and George Bush in their speeches have tried to paint the attack as an assault on globalization and the G8 itself. This means that if you're against the G8 and globalization, then you're with the terrorists! It's a tried and tested method they've used time and time before.
In any crime you look at history and motive, The British government has been caught in multiple examples of carrying out bombings in London which were then blamed on the IRA. They even had one of their own MI5 agents wihin the Omagh bomb squad. The British government has also been caught scripting fake terror alerts for political effect. Days before the Queen's speech notable November speech in which she first introduced ID card legislation, ITN news correspondants and government lobbyists got together to cook up a fake terror alert involving planes attacking Canary Wharf. A London Independent article later exposed this as a crass psy-op campaign to get the British people behind the ID card.
From Putin blowing up his own apartment buildings to Israel being behind Hamas, the evidence is consistently clear that large scale terrorism is always state sponsored.
The Madrid train bombing is another example. The bombers were found to be police informants with close links to the Spanish security services. They had access to the most secure areas of the Madrid train system. The Spanish government initially tried to blaim the Basque group ETA for the blast in the hope that the people would rally behind the government and get them re-elected. After ETA denied involvement and the people started saying the government was involved, the Spanish government had to blame Al-Qaeda and kill some patsies by claiming they blew themselves up during a raid.
The wider agenda will become clearer when Blair firmly points the finger at the selected patsies designated to take the fall. But for the moment he's happy to grandstand as the courageous leader who immedately returned to London to take control of the chaos.
BBC polls that were showing 80 per cent plus opposed the ID card will now likely flip back in the opposite direction. Support for the European Union and increased globalization through the G8 will rise. Who stands to gain from all this? Who has the motive?
We will continue to track developments as they occur and keep our readers posted

nohope187

07-09-2005, 12:09 PM

Typical government bullshit, this is so fucking predictable. :-P

Clarke set to rush through emergency arrest powers
Possessing A-Z of London a terrorist offence
London Independent | July 8, 2005
Ministers are expected to rush through measures to arrest and detain suspects accused of acts associated with terrorism as an immediate reaction to yesterday's bombings.
A draft Bill outlined in the Queen's Speech in May set out plans to create offences to bring more terror suspects before the courts and is expected to lead to convictions for those accused of acts preparatory to terrorism.
Yesterday's attacks on London will also make it more difficult for the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats to oppose the introduction of identity cards.
But lawyers and civil rights groups urged the Government not to repeat the mistakes of the past. Peter Carter QC, chairman of the Bar's human rights committee, said he feared the Government would adopt emergency powers that would cause further resentment in Muslim communities but not make Britain a safer place to live.
Mr Carter said: "History has shown us that it is never good to rush through legislation. The laws passed to combat the IRA in the 1970s and 1980s proved a political and a legal disaster."
Mr Carter said the police and security services already had sufficient powers to deal with the threat posed by al-Qa'ida, including an offence of possessing items that were of potential use to a terrorist. Such items, he said, could include an A-Z of London.
Those arrested in the inevitable police raids that will follow yesterday's atrocities are expected to be detained under the toughest powers at the security forces' disposal.
Under the terms of the 2005 Prevention of Terrorism Act, the Home Secretary, Charles Clarke, has the option of using house arrest to detain terror suspects.
Mr Clarke told Parliament in February that he was considering introducing the offence of "being concerned in the commission preparation or instigation of acts of terrorism".
In a statement to the Commons, he said: "Some believe that the absence in this country of a terrorist outrage such as 9/11 or Madrid means that the terrorist threat has passed us by or failed to materialise. That view is short-sighted, complacent, ignorant of the facts and potentially cavalier in the disregard of the safety of this country.

Dreak

07-09-2005, 12:18 PM

Is CC a "copy and paste" forum ?

for the love of god...

Could you..possibly..post your OWN thoughts ? once and a while..mebbe ? I can find blogs for whatever you want on anything..but you can have your own opinions on somthing once and a while eh ?

just post the freaking link if you want to copy and paste..Ill read it in its own context thank you very much !

D.

Thumper

07-09-2005, 12:44 PM

Interesting how the mainstream media was initially reporting SIX BOMBS going off, when it was only FOUR. And now Scotland Yard is suddenly denying that TWO unexploded bombs were found.

Isn't it awkward when the script doesn't match the play? :-P

Dreak

07-09-2005, 01:00 PM

I never heard of 6 bombs..only 4

were did you get your info ?

and can you prove that 6 went off..or that 2 are discounted..post some links please.

Dreak

07-09-2005, 03:41 PM

Thumper wrote:
Interesting how the mainstream media was initially reporting SIX BOMBS going off, when it was only FOUR. And now Scotland Yard is suddenly denying that TWO unexploded bombs were found.

Isn't it awkward when the script doesn't match the play? :-P

Very awkward!!

Life is but a play!!

I need to search through this haystack for the 4/6 bomb theory and the arrests and no arrests.

With every act of terror, they tighten the nooses around our necks even more.

07-09-2005, 03:41 PM

Dreak wrote:
Is CC a "copy and paste" forum ?

for the love of god...

Could you..possibly..post your OWN thoughts ? once and a while..mebbe ? I can find blogs for whatever you want on anything..but you can have your own opinions on somthing once and a while eh ?

just post the freaking link if you want to copy and paste..Ill read it in its own context thank you very much !

D.

I like to "cut and paste." That's my favorite thingy to do!!

Thumper

07-09-2005, 03:50 PM

Blue Angel, why don't you join iidb.org?

We're just preaching to the choir here. :-P

igwt

07-09-2005, 04:09 PM

Dreak wrote:
Is CC a "copy and paste" forum ?

for the love of god...

Could you..possibly..post your OWN thoughts ? once and a while..mebbe ? I can find blogs for whatever you want on anything..but you can have your own opinions on somthing once and a while eh ?

just post the freaking link if you want to copy and paste..Ill read it in its own context thank you very much !

D.

Where possible links were provided. Reason some were posted completed, as they were on usenet and link wasn't provided.

Other stories have links where possible.

If you were following the thread you would have seen comment by BlueAngel regarding posting stories to provide overall comparison of conflicting accounts i.e media spin.

"If you were following the thread you would have seen comment by BlueAngel regarding posting stories to provide overall comparison of conflicting accounts i.e media spin."

I know it's difficult for you Dreak, but if you have the time sort through this thread and you will see with your own eyes, that the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing.

Scrambled brains, anyone??

If it's too complicated for you and you don't like cut and paste, you can always find another site that better suits your needs.

I don't think those who operate this site have a problem with it!!

igwt

07-09-2005, 04:15 PM

BlueAngel wrote:

Dreak wrote:
Is CC a "copy and paste" forum ?

for the love of god...

Could you..possibly..post your OWN thoughts ? once and a while..mebbe ? I can find blogs for whatever you want on anything..but you can have your own opinions on somthing once and a while eh ?

just post the freaking link if you want to copy and paste..Ill read it in its own context thank you very much !

D.

I like to "cut and paste." That's my favorite thingy to do!!

BlueAngel

Right on :~)

Thumper

07-09-2005, 05:24 PM

BlueAngel wrote:

Thumper wrote:
Blue Angel, why don't you join iidb.org?

We're just preaching to the choir here. :-P

What is it?

Can you provide the link to get me there and I'll check it out!!

Thanks!!www.iidb.org :-D

07-09-2005, 06:23 PM

Thumper,

Thank you very much for inviting me to participate in the idbg forum, but I feel that at this point I cannot get into a shouting match or back and forth banter in a chat room.

Most times, I believe it is best that people are able to visit a forum where they can read without argument. If there is anything here that I have written that you would like to post, please feel free to do so, but always include the name that I use here.

I do feel that I could parachute into that place and shape everybody up, but mentally it can be very overwhelming. So, I am trying to minimize the time that I spend in chat rooms and forums.

Very full of myself, aren't I?

In addition to having spent the past four years uncovering my past mind control abuse and dealing with the fall-out from that in my personal life, I have been writing non-stop as well.

I have a wonderful husband of 23 years, three beautiful children and a business as well.

My life almost feel apart when I awakened from my "deep sleep," but because of the love and support of my family and others within the good "intelligence" community, I remain with my brain "intact."

Hopefully, I have touched someone. Hopefully, I have changed one mind. Hopefully, I have enlightened others. Hopefully, I have helped to advance the cause of Freedom in America.

For this, my dear Thumper, is my ultimate goal. For whatever sacrifices I made for my country in my childhood in order to be where I am today, I did so in the name of FREEDOM not only for myself as I was enslaved, but for all of U.S.!!

You, Thumper, can make a difference!!

As Always,
I Come,
In Peace,
and
I am
YOUR
BlueAngel

nohope187

07-09-2005, 07:14 PM

Dreak wrote:
Is CC a "copy and paste" forum ?

for the love of god...

Could you..possibly..post your OWN thoughts ? once and a while..mebbe ? I can find blogs for whatever you want on anything..but you can have your own opinions on somthing once and a while eh ?

just post the freaking link if you want to copy and paste..Ill read it in its own context thank you very much !

D.[/quote]Tisk tisk, state worshiper. :-P

Minuteman

07-09-2005, 08:10 PM

Can we possibly stop using the word terrorist and substituting "covert government sanctioned action". It just makes the newspeak dictionary complete. So you honestly expect me to believe that shortly after the G8 summit, with all of the resources of eight, count em eight superpower nations, all of the CIA,MI5, Spetznaz or whatever that a bunch of "sand niggers" pulled off a coordinated attack in the center of London?
Please, that would indicate incompetence on the part of our "world leaders" and their multi-billion dollar security agencies.

07-09-2005, 08:43 PM

Incompetent!!! Our leaders are incompetent!?!
Why, how dare you!! I think I'm going to turn you over to the Homeland Security Monitoring Agent!!

I guess if they pulled off an attack at GITMO, it just wouldn't fly!!!

igwt

07-09-2005, 08:46 PM

Mass arrests made in Milan swoops

Italian police have arrested 142 people in the course of a two-day security operation in and around Milan which was prompted by the London bombings.

Most were detained over drugs, theft or illegal immigration while 1.5 kilos (3.3 pounds) of explosives were found at the home of a convicted criminal

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4667513.stm

While back in London no arrests made

http://www.rense.com/general66/deattoll.htm

Perhaps the Italians should be heading the investigation...

07-09-2005, 08:57 PM

igwt wrote:
Mass arrests made in Milan swoops

Italian police have arrested 142 people in the course of a two-day security operation in and around Milan which was prompted by the London bombings.

Most were detained over drugs, theft or illegal immigration while 1.5 kilos (3.3 pounds) of explosives were found at the home of a convicted criminal

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4667513.stm

While back in London no arrests made

http://www.rense.com/general66/deattoll.htm

Perhaps the Italians should be heading the investigation...

SWEEP, SWEEP under the carpet!!

Is this the beginning of massive sweep efforts?

Round 'em up.

igwt

07-09-2005, 10:06 PM

Tip off given four months prior, see link below.

The Sunday Times - Britain

July 10, 2005

Terror in London

Mastermind of Madrid is key figure
Nick Fielding and Gareth Walsh
TOP SUSPECT
THE terrorist believed to have organised last year’s Madrid train attacks is emerging as a figure in the hunt for the London bombers.

Spanish security sources are said to have warned four months ago that Mustafa Setmariam Nasar, a 47-year-old Syrian, had identified Britain as a likely target.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1688244,00.html

igwt

07-09-2005, 11:33 PM

Could this be in relation to London Attacks?

SECRET PLAN TO QUIT IRAQ
Sat Jul 09 2005 19:16:16 ET

BRITAIN and America are secretly preparing to withdraw most of their troops from Iraq - despite warnings of the grave consequences for the region, the SUNDAY MAIL in UK is reporting.

A secret paper written by UK Defence Secretary John Reid for Tony Blair reveals that many of the 8,500 British troops in Iraq are set to be brought home within three months, with most of the rest returning six months later.

The leaked document, marked Secret: UK Eyes Only, appears to fly in the face of Mr Blair and President Bush's pledges that Allied forces will not quit until Iraq's own forces are strong enough to take control of security.

If British troops pull out, other members of the Alliance are likely to follow. The memo says other international forces in Southern Iraq currently under British control will have to be handled carefully if Britain withdraws. It says they will not feel safe and may also leave.

Embarrassingly, the document says the Americans are split over the plan - and it suggests one of the reasons for getting British troops out is to save money. Mr Reid says cutting UK troop numbers to 3,000 by the middle of next year will save GBP 500million a year, though it will be 18 months before the cash comes through.

The document, Options For Future UK Force Posture In Iraq, is the first conclusive proof that preparations for a major withdrawal from Iraq are well advanced.

The British Government's public position is that UK troops will stay until newly trained Iraqi forces are ready to take control of security. Less than a fortnight ago, Mr Blair said it was 'vital' the US-led coalition stayed until Iraq stabilised, and Mr Bush endorsed his comments.

Mr Reid's memo, prepared for Mr Blair in the past few weeks, shows that in reality, plans to get them out - 'military drawdown,' as he puts it - are well advanced.

It says: 'We have a commitment to hand over to Iraqi control in Al Muthanna and Maysan provinces two of the four provinces under British control in Southern Iraq in October 2005 and in the other two, Dhi Qar and Basra, in April 2006.

Developing...

http://www.drudgereport.com/

07-10-2005, 09:35 AM

IN RELATION TO LONDON ATTACKS?

Well, first of all, we don't know the date of the memorandum.

If it is authentic and the pull-out of the British troops were planned before the London attacks then my question would be:

WERE THE LONDON ATTACKS DUE TO BRITAIN'S PLAN TO PULL TROOPS OUT???

07-10-2005, 11:14 AM

REPORTED within this thread:

Three bombs in subway.

Fourth device on city bus.

Thursday night none of the scores of suspected terrorists being watch in England appeared to be involved.

Two "unexploded" package bombs found on trains. Refuse to confirm or deny this.

However, they exploded one. Now, if you want forensic evidence, is it better to explode the thing in the package they weren't sure was a bomb or not?

All those arrested in Britian must provided DNA samples even if they do not face criminal charges.

_______________________________________________

Okay, so ALL THOSE ARRESTED sounded to me like there had been arrests made which was in conflict with another report saying there had been no arrests.

Any arrests made yet?

nohope187

07-10-2005, 12:33 PM

Minuteman wrote:
Can we possibly stop using the word terrorist and substituting "covert government sanctioned action". It just makes the newspeak dictionary complete.There ya go buddy, I changed it just for you. Happy now? :-P

07-10-2005, 01:43 PM

It appears to be government involvement, consider that they pushed the limits of not getting caught, if it was alquida, they wouldnt of put all the bombs so close together, they would of been discreet, placing bombs in different cities, and they wouldnt have not tried to place a bomb near the G8 meeting

07-10-2005, 02:49 PM

Of course, it's always the innocent who are the victims of these terrorist attacks.

Leaving bombs in subways, buses, etc. doesn't seem like a major undertaking for them. THE WORDS THEM AND THEY IN MOST CASES WHEN I'M WRITING REFER TO CORRUPT GOVERNMENT AND THEIR TERRORIST NETWORK.

I mean, 911 was a terrorist attack of a magnitude that would appear to have required alot of skill, planning and timing down to the last detail and I doubt the "terrorists" pulled it off without help from the "inside."

An attack that was so far out of the realm of any other attack that had occurred before or after and, again, innocents were killed. The President was "out of the loop." Perhaps the jet that went astray in Pennsylvania (don't know if this was the one that appeared to be heading for the White House) was just a diversionary tactic.

Oh, they were going for the White House, but missed.

How many killed at Pentagon? Any military brass?

It was called a "coordinated attack." This JUST CAME TO ME!!!

A cooordinated attack. Have to mull this over. Not sure. Could relate to a coordinated attack by our government and their terrorist network on 911.

It was going to be a coordinated attack. In planning stages for decades. Standdown would be called. Remote control and controlled detonation. Something strapped on the underside of the belly of the aircraft. Passenger jets diverted elsewhere. Perhaps reason it has been specualated that one in PA was shot-down. No evidence could remain because maybe the jets were empty. Everything had to burn!!

Were any of the passenger's bodies recovered? If so, this would prove they were on board and were the passenger jets that left the respective airports.

Four jumbo jets used as missiles; perhaps remote controlled as well as controlled demolition of the towers.

So, if it was a controlled demolition. If this is ever proven in my lifetime, are we to believe that the terrorists had access to the buildings in order to accomplish this feat? They are demolition experts?????

WOW!!

Something happened here. I was rambling. Forgive me!!

john

07-10-2005, 03:20 PM

You have a good brain BlueAngel. And what you say shows you also have a good soul.
;-)

07-10-2005, 05:23 PM

Thanks, John!!

It's amazing I still have a soul.

But, anyway, back to the task at hand.

I believe the writer of the article who talks about the "secret" document indicating that Britian and America planned on pulling troops out of Iraq in the near future is correct in his assertion that it is most likely a ploy by the powers that be.

Of course, documents that are for "your eyes only" get leaked when it's to their advantage.

So, now, they stay put in Iraq due to the London attacks and can say, see, we were planning on leaving, but...... BIG BUT.

I must have missed the part in the "secret" document that states America planned on withdrawing as well because my thinking was that the London bombing was due to THEM knowing of the document and Blair's intent to withdraw some of his troops.

I mean they are friends, but when push comes to shove and if one goes against the other, their future is not bright!!

But, then again, could you imagine Blair deciding to pull out troops without advising the "evil doers?"

igwt

07-11-2005, 08:44 AM

No passports found this time...

No quick answers in London investigation

A Government minister is warning Britons not to expect quick breakthroughs in the hunt for the bombers who killed at least 52 people last week in the worst peacetime attack on the capital.

As millions of Londoners followed the authorities' call to return to work as normal following last Thursday's attacks, officials made the first formal identification of victims and raised the official toll to 52.

Police have yet to make any arrests linked to the attacks on three underground trains and a double-decker bus, raising fears that the bombers may strike again soon.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200507/s1411918.htm

07-11-2005, 05:11 PM

igwt wrote:
No passports found this time...

No quick answers in London investigation

A Government minister is warning Britons not to expect quick breakthroughs in the hunt for the bombers who killed at least 52 people last week in the worst peacetime attack on the capital.

As millions of Londoners followed the authorities' call to return to work as normal following last Thursday's attacks, officials made the first formal identification of victims and raised the official toll to 52.

Police have yet to make any arrests linked to the attacks on three underground trains and a double-decker bus, raising fears that the bombers may strike again soon.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200507/s1411918.htm

Oh, yes, everything is normal. Just go about your business and let us deal with "covert government sanctioned action."

Become accustomed to the fact that now when you enter the subway, you don't know whether you'll come out alive.

What did First Lady Bush tell us after 911? Go shopping or something to that effect.

07-11-2005, 07:20 PM

Don't you like how the "powers that be" always condemn the attacks!!!

I still would like to know how Bin Laden, the guy riding camelback through the desert with a dialysis machine has been able to allude the mass HUNT 'em down effort that has been in operation now for what FOUR years?

Oh, I forgot, we invaded Iraq during that time and kind of like became distracted over this mass murderer/terrorist. Ooops!! I mean, "covert government sanctioned action."

Maybe they need him in the future. Perhaps he is making another video soon to be released.

He's like seven feet, right??

Is he in a cave???

Must have a pretty high ceiling.

igwt

07-11-2005, 11:37 PM

This is interesting.

XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX MON JULY 11, 2005 17:21:08 ET XXXXX

PAPER: US TELLS FORCES TO 'STAY OUT OF LONDON'

American defense chiefs faced condemnation last night for banning U.S. airmen from entering London, the Uk's DAILY MAIL will report on Tueday.

All 12,000 members of the U.S. Air Force stationed in Britain have been told not to travel inside inner London because of the risk of further bomb attacks.

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash3dm.htm

igwt

07-12-2005, 02:52 AM

It gets even more intriguing...

London bombs

July 12, 2005

Terrorist gang 'used military explosives'
By Michael Evans, Sean O’Neill and Philip Webster
A SINGLE bombmaker using high-grade military explosives is believed to be responsible for building the four devices that killed more than 50 people last week, The Times can reveal.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,22989-1690391,00.html

igwt

07-12-2005, 03:07 AM

Here is a MUST READ.

Interesting piece on the London, Madrid and 9/11 bombings titled, "War In Pieces: The Blood Feud"

http://seattle.craigslist.org/pol/83218301.html

igwt

07-12-2005, 09:14 AM

Bomber died in London bus blast

The London bus bomber died in the explosion, it has been revealed, as police make arrests in Yorkshire.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4674463.stm

07-12-2005, 09:43 AM

igwt wrote:
This is interesting.

XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX MON JULY 11, 2005 17:21:08 ET XXXXX

PAPER: US TELLS FORCES TO 'STAY OUT OF LONDON'

American defense chiefs faced condemnation last night for banning U.S. airmen from entering London, the Uk's DAILY MAIL will report on Tueday.

All 12,000 members of the U.S. Air Force stationed in Britain have been told not to travel inside inner London because of the risk of further bomb attacks.

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash3dm.htm

CNN just reported that the BAN has been lifted.

07-12-2005, 09:45 AM

igwt wrote:
It gets even more intriguing...

London bombs

July 12, 2005

Terrorist gang 'used military explosives'
By Michael Evans, Sean O’Neill and Philip Webster
A SINGLE bombmaker using high-grade military explosives is believed to be responsible for building the four devices that killed more than 50 people last week, The Times can reveal.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,22989-1690391,00.html

LINK CANNOT BE FOUND!! Received warning, warning!!

Somewhere within this thread it was reported that the bomb making supplies most probably were obtained from where? Czech, because some untagged items were missing and then, again, reported they were not military and that anyone could have made the bombs!!

07-12-2005, 09:51 AM

igwt wrote:
Here is a MUST READ.

Interesting piece on the London, Madrid and 9/11 bombings titled, "War In Pieces: The Blood Feud"

http://seattle.craigslist.org/pol/83218301.html

REVENGE

Taken from the above piece:

In the blood feud, the orientation is not to the future, as in war, but to the past. In the feud you are avenging yourself on your enemy for something that he did in the past. Al Qaeda justified the attack on New York and Washington as revenge against the USA for having defiled the sacred soil of Saudi Arabia by its military presence during the First Gulf War. In the attack on London, the English were being punished for their involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan.

In the blood feud, unlike war, you have no interest in bringing your enemy to his knees. You are not looking for your enemy to surrender to you; you are simply interested in killing some of his people in revenge for past injuries, real or imaginary -- nor does it matter in the least whether the people you kill today were the ones guilty of the past injuries that you claim to be avenging. In a blood feud, every member of the enemy tribe is a perfectly valid target for revenge. What is important is that some of their guys must be killed -- not necessarily anyone of any standing in their community. Just kill someone on the other side, and you have done what the logic of the blood feud commands you to do.

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Seeking revenge can be an infinite process!! Will either side ever be satisifed???

07-12-2005, 09:55 AM

igwt wrote:
Bomber died in London bus blast

The London bus bomber died in the explosion, it has been revealed, as police make arrests in Yorkshire.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4674463.stm

I'm confused!!

Why are they exploding evidence???

This article states a car believed to be involved was exploded.

A house was exploded!!

Okay, whatever!!!

They have cordoned off the area. Well, what are they doing confiscating the evidence, destroying the evidence?

07-12-2005, 12:29 PM

They believe there were four bombers who were killed in the attacks.

One arrest has been made in Leeds. They believe three of the suspects came from that area.

Okay, now, I know I'm skeptical about everything THEY tell us; but, geez, how do they acquire all of this information so quickly about suspects, but yet their intelligence SUCKS when it pertains to the really IMPORTANT issues, like protecting us on 911, stopping attacks before they happen and invading a country based on false intelligence.

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Activists in al-Qa'ida, or sympathetic to Osama bin Laden, could have travelled to Britain months ago from France or Spain. Here they may have stayed in safe houses or received forged papers from al-Qa'ida supporters.

The above was taken from a current article. Safe house, okay, I'm confused again!!

Aren't safe houses supplied by the government??

So, these traveling terrorists have safe houses in Britain????

igwt

07-12-2005, 06:04 PM

BlueAngel wrote:

igwt wrote:
It gets even more intriguing...

London bombs

July 12, 2005

Terrorist gang 'used military explosives'
By Michael Evans, Sean O’Neill and Philip Webster
A SINGLE bombmaker using high-grade military explosives is believed to be responsible for building the four devices that killed more than 50 people last week, The Times can reveal.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,22989-1690391,00.html

LINK CANNOT BE FOUND!! Received warning, warning!!

Somewhere within this thread it was reported that the bomb making supplies most probably were obtained from where? Czech, because some untagged items were missing and then, again, reported they were not military and that anyone could have made the bombs!!

Get this all stories titled "Terrorists" have been pulled!

Even the DrudgeReport links are gone!

The above mentioned article stated that the explosives came from the Balkins. No direct connection was stated.

The official line now is that there was four persons involved.

From the BBC:

Last Updated: Tuesday, 12 July, 2005

London bombers 'were all British'

Detectives now believe the London bombings were carried out by four British-born men in what were possibly the country's first suicide attacks.

Security sources said it was likely at least three of the men, said to be of Pakistani-descent, are dead after their belongings were found at the scenes.

The details emerged as explosives were found in Leeds and Luton after a series of raids. One man has been arrested.

On Monday night they had viewed CCTV footage of the men together at London King's Cross last Thursday.

They all had rucksacks and were seen just 20 minutes before the three Tube bombs started going off at 0851 BST. A bus bomb went off in Tavistock Square at 0947 BST.

Three of the men had travelled to Luton from Leeds by train, before catching a Thameslink train to London. They had been joined at Luton by a fourth man who had driven to the Bedfordshire town.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4676577.stm

07-12-2005, 06:51 PM

"The details emerged as explosives were found in Leeds and Luton after a series of raids. One man has been arrested."

I WANT TO KNOW HOW THEY KNEW TO SEARCH LEEDS AND LUTON FOR EXPLOSIVES.

Simple Question:

"What information sent you there?"

"Why did you blow up a car that was supposedly evidence?"

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Okay, now they are Britian's first "suicide" bombers.

Where they residents of Britian?

I guess they didn't travel from France or Spain as part of Al Qaeda network and stay in a safe-house in Britian as we were previously disinformed.

The man arrested? Who is he? The other four reportedly suicided.

We're coming to a point where, I hate to use this comparison, but we'll be living with daily attacks like the Palestinians and Israeli's have been subjected to for decades if this "War of the Worlds" does not cease!!

and

If our President does not clean-up the house that the people allow him to reside in. A good place to start would be to adhere to his statement and fire Karl Rove for his revenge attack on Wilson by outting Valerie Plume.

If a top advisor is going to give up a "covert" operative and jeopardize her safety, well, then, he has no business advising the President or anyone else for that matter.

IT IS A MATTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY AND ISN'T THIS WHY THEY CREATED THE NATIONAL SECURITY AGENCY TO KEEP INFORMATION FROM THE PUBLIC!!!!

igwt

07-12-2005, 07:34 PM

As soon as I try to post the news stories, they change. Obviously certain information will evolve as more information comes to light.

What is really amazing is as soon as it was declared - as seen on BBC online - that it was INSENSITIVE to call the current events in London the work of 'terrorists' and instead recommended 'bombers' be used, ALL news that was directly linked to the London events previously by BBC, The Times and DrudgeReport - linked to former - dissapeared. Only news that can be searched is from ABC, www.abc.net.au

Last Update: Wednesday, July 13, 2005
British press name three London bomb suspects
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200507/s1412995.htm

07-12-2005, 07:40 PM

Thanks for the links.

JAYSUS, you mean they own the INTERNET, too????

Can't we just have something of our own, please without their dirty little paws on it.

Your kidding? Only ABC!!

Are you posturing that the other reports are missing because....because why???

The changing of the attack from "terrorist" to "bombers."

Sure, it will continue to change on a daily basis until they can make it a wrap!!

igwt

07-12-2005, 08:03 PM

BlueAngel wrote:
Thanks for the links.

JAYSUS, you mean they own the INTERNET, too????

Can't we just have something of our own, please without their dirty little paws on it.

Your kidding? Only ABC!!

Are you posturing that the other reports are missing because....because why???

The changing of the attack from "terrorist" to "bombers."

Sure, it will continue to change on a daily basis until they can make it a wrap!!

It gets even better...

Super-Plastic
"The suspected bombers' bodies were identified by driving licences and credit cards which survived the blasts, the paper said."
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200507/s1412995.htm

Even though the bus was torn apart and the tunnel is precarious for emergency services???

07-12-2005, 08:27 PM

OMG!! Identified through credit cards and driver licenses that survived the explosion!!!

HOW??? They had these people on a list of terrorists who were going to attack London. This is how they knew they were the bombers.

Fercryinoutloud!!!!

Why weren't they just passengers???

Please, people for the love of GOD demand that we are given logical explanations about their investigation!!

igwt

07-12-2005, 08:30 PM

This is getting weirder!

All The Hallmarks Of Al Qaeda' - NOT
From Philip Hoag
7-12-5
http://www.rense.com/general66/nts.htm

Londoners Suspicious Of Station Closures Before Blasts
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2005/120705stationclosures.htm

London Underground Bombing 'Exercises' Took Place at Same Time as Real Attack
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2005/090705bombingexercises.htm

The London Bombs, The Rogue Network And Iran
By Webster G. Tarpley
7-12-5
http://www.rense.com/general66/eed.htm

07-12-2005, 08:42 PM

So, they were closing parts of the TUBE. Obviously, they either knew something or were planting the bombs!!

The internet, of course, cannot be our only source of news, but it is awesome that people can share their experience on that day with others who may not be their neighbor. Miles apart, exchanging information that may, perhaps, lead to more evidence against them.

07-12-2005, 08:45 PM

igwt wrote:
This is getting weirder!

All The Hallmarks Of Al Qaeda' - NOT
From Philip Hoag
7-12-5
http://www.rense.com/general66/nts.htm

Londoners Suspicious Of Station Closures Before Blasts
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2005/120705stationclosures.htm

London Underground Bombing 'Exercises' Took Place at Same Time as Real Attack
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2005/090705bombingexercises.htm

The London Bombs, The Rogue Network And Iran
By Webster G. Tarpley
7-12-5
http://www.rense.com/general66/eed.htm

London Underground Bombing 'Exercises' Took Place at Same Time as Real Attack.

Sounds eerily similar to 911 when NORAD was conducting exercises.

I still think they were planting the bombs themselves, not exercising, or they had information.

However, the latter would not be something I would bet on!!!

truebeliever

07-12-2005, 08:56 PM

Well, i guess a bomb on a couple of trains is ONE way to keep Iraq out of the news.

Some thoughts...

The authorities suggest 4.5kg of explosive were used? I worked in the mining industry as a shotfirers assistent for a year. I'm no expert but seeing as i've handled explosives I have a fair idea of what they can do. To blow a hole through the metal wall of a train and then through a brick wall and then to severely damage the train next door...?You can guess what i'm going to say next.

Have a good look at the COMPLETELY wrecked rear of the double decker bus...4.5kg of explosive? Me thinks not.

Remember, explosives ALWAYS take the path of LEAST RESISTENCE. How did the ENTIRE rear of that bus collapse? MAYBE a hole, but the ENTIRE rear?

Also, just for general knowledge. High explosive does NOT produce a fireball or orange flame. Unless it ignights something close, all a high explosive will produce is a WHITE FLASH.

Simple questions. Simple observations.

Why is it importent for only a small amount of explosive to be seen to be used?

A reasonably powerful explosive (outside of fertilser and deisel fuel) is not available at Harrods. I dont believe for a second members of the IRA or any other offshoot would knowingly supply explosives to "Muslim Extremists" or even 3rd parties. Try buying a gun from the underworld...even they will demand what it's going to be used for.

Explosives give off a very easy to detect scent. We had to cover any cuts on our hands immediately as when we handled the explosive (Power Gel, a common mining explosive) it stung like hell. Like dripping acid on your skin. Explosives are easily detected by dogs and machines. It would be hard to get in and home grown "loons" are out...even highly motivated bushy bearded ones.

To have to admit that a total of up to 30-50kg of explosive were used would be hard to explain.

The intelligence services would have to explain how that much high explosive got into the country. 4.5kg sounds small enough to carry in your handbag.

One other thing that has had me absoloutly fuming. Every "expert" they could find has repeated this mantra..."the attacks were inevitable, we've been expecting them".

So, with budgets in the billions the Intelligence services and local law enforcement could'nt stop the attacks and in fact the "experts" acknowledge that you can never stop these type of attacks.

Well then, the answer is obvious. Disband ALL departments connected with anti terrorist activities. We can spend the money saved on re-building Iraq and hopefully the "terrorists" will back off. We can then commence the far more effective method of anti-terror which is also VERY cheap...crossing your fingers when getting on public transport. It seems to be cheap and effective when compared with the gadgets and "sexily" clad hard ass anti terror squads who continue to tell the public that its all "inevitable".

Did you note the experts and the polititions were almost frothing at the mouth with glee? "Now those ignorent masses who protested the war and dont trust government will know who their daddy is"!

They make me sick. They are so transparent. More innocents dead at the hands of meglomaniacs which just goes to show...sooner or later people are going to have to realise that their VERY LIVES may depend on waking up to the fact that the very people supposedly protecting them and keeping them free are in fact their jailers.

There is a saying in psychotherapy...you can either go to the forest with the wise old man/woman (symbolic of waking up) voluntarily - arm in arm, or you will be dragged kicking and screaming.

It seems kicking and screaming is the only way the human race (Westerners anyway) will be waking up.

I thought "they" might back off. It seems like a cornered snake "they" are striking out. I fear what will come for the rest of the year.

Perhaps a nuclear device on U.S soil as is being pushed lately as a scenario. I have claimed this would be unlikely due to the outcry from serving members of the Armed Forces and Intelligence services plus other reasons.

I believe "they" may have finished a period of deep analysis on the worlds response to 9-11 and concluded "they" must carry on...all or nothing.

In the end, Europe and the U.N will offer the soloution after a suitable period of suffering.

Thank God I live in Oz. Probably due for a bomb itself soon...maybe even in far away Perth.

07-12-2005, 09:08 PM

So, this is excellent!! Can't tell us the true amount of explosives because they wouldn't be easy to obtain.

Would the amount you suggest have to come from military?

I'm with you on the statements they make after the attacks which are always the same, "WE WERE DUE."

Like you said, distraction from Iraq.

Intelligence agencies seem useless.

Last line cracked me up!!

"Probably due for a bomb soon!"

8-) :lol: :-x

truebeliever

07-12-2005, 09:27 PM

Would the amount you suggest have to come from military?

As "X" says in the slightly flawed yet AWSOMELY poignent JFK by Oliver Stone..."who, what, where. Oswald, Ruby...scenary for the public that keeps them from asking the obvious question, WHY? Why was the President killled, who benefitted and who has the power to cover it up...WHO?"

It was a covert op by elements of the Western Intelligence services including the Israeli Mossad. It does'nt really matter exactly who.

We know what they want.

For all of us to shut the fuck up and do as we're told.

As any tyrannical system demands.

truebeliever

07-13-2005, 05:15 AM

Oh Gawddddddd!!!! Please, please, please will the NWO scriptwriters PLEASE get a new formula!!!!!!!!!!!

You are INSULTING ME AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!

The latest...a "lead", lead them to "Leeds" in northern England.

They arrested a relative of the three men identified as the "suicide bombers". They found explosives which they wont have to produce because they had to be "exploded" onsite.

They found a car at a train station the three men alledgedly used which had explosives in it which had to be exploded so we wont see that either. Also found...he he he he (an oldie but a goodie) was written material/documents...presumably titled "The Muslim Extremists Guide To Suicide Bombing Public Transport Systems; Revised Edition With Guest Forward By Usama Bin Ladin".

Not content with that we get the report that...I quote..."Authorities fear a terrorist Mastermind may be at large with more terrorist attacks in store". At this point I was rolling on the floor...who was writing this stuff? An old Batman series writer? I was waiting for a alert broadcast for people to look out for "The Penguin" or sightings of "The Joker". FUCK! Lord have mercy! Let me be the victim of a decent scam...please Lord!

To top it off the reporter was Rapheal Epstein of London...

Oooooooooohhhhhhhhhhh....

Also......"we are rapidly unfolding these events". You sure are! Seeing as you've been left a lovely trail of bread crumbs i'm sure you are Mr Plod...

truebeliever

07-13-2005, 05:52 AM

More on the "suicide bombers".

Young men are seen chatting on a train station platform before they got to London chatting casually before apparently blowing themselves up a few hours later. CCTV.

Do I hear the word...patsy?

These guys were BORN in England.

Lets watch the official story fall apart.

Just said on news as I type...the first break for the authorities came when the relative of the man on the bus rang to report him missing soon after the explosion was all over the news.

Again...does the word "PATSY" come to mind?

Watch the official story fall apart!!!!!

I can hear the tone in the reporters voice. They dont even believe this shit.

If i was part of a terrorist group, i too would ring up to give the authorities a lead...oooooooohhhhhhhhh

07-13-2005, 06:12 AM

Since they had this operation going on at the same time, you've got to wonder if the people who are now called the suspects were working for this un named company, and they were told where they were to be stationed, thinking that they were just portraying to be a terrorist, but what they didn't know was their backpacks actually contained real explosives?

truebeliever

07-13-2005, 06:42 AM

Sounds very likely.

This is going to unravel much faster than 9-11.

What a JOKE!

And whats more...all the crap about the "spirit of the Londoners" and the tough old Brits!

What shit!

Ask anyone who went through the initial blitz. They were on the verge of throttling Chuchill. A majority of Brits wanted peace with Hitler. Churchill NEVER ONCE went into an air raid shelter because his minders could NOT gaurantee his safety.

The Brits are so tough? Well, thats why the bus's are empty and the tube is low on passengers and bike sales are through the roof.

What dribbling tripe. Tough? Try downtown Baghdad! Thats tough.

igwt

07-13-2005, 07:48 AM

For one, todays British are a mixture of cultures and majority of them being born after the war wouldn't have had a serious issue to contend with until now.

They live in the best and worst times of human history.

07-13-2005, 07:56 AM

I said, "they will ATTEMPT to make all of us prisoners in our own homes."

Afraid to take the subway; afraid to fly; afraid to board a bus; afraid to sit in a coffeshop for fear a suicide bomber might crash through the window.

Funny, how one day I was in my local Starbucks and the kid behind the "coffee bar" was in a bad mood; looked at me and said, "I'll kill you."

Well, not so funny!! I don't like receiving death threats!!

Him and the rest of the CULT cleared out!!

Oh, and another. One of the scam letters from Nigeria came in the mail. The last sentence read, "we will not comprehend with exposure."

igwt

07-13-2005, 08:03 AM

BlueAngel wrote:
I said, "they will ATTEMPT to make all of us prisoners in our own homes."

Afraid to take the subway; afraid to fly; afraid to board a bus; afraid to sit in a coffeshop for fear a suicide bomber might crash through the window.

That's the psychology underlying it!

Funny, how one day I was in my local Starbucks and the kid behind the "coffee bar" was in a bad mood; looked at me and said, "I'll kill you."

Well, not so funny!! I don't like receiving death threats!!

WTF!!! Serious Sh't!!!

Oh, and another. One of the scam letters from Nigeria came in the mail. The last sentence read, "we will not comprehend with exposure.

Illiterate ignoramuses
" :lol:

07-13-2005, 08:17 AM

As I stated, I also received a little note from one of the workers who is no longer employed at the Starbucks that read,

leave name blank.....but, written in the way they use to pronounce it which was incorrect. With a TWANG!!!

A farmer playing a banjo, a horse on the side and in the bubble, the farmer is singing....

"THE FARM MISSES YOU!!"

F**K the FARM!!!

Okay, enough personal stuff about me!

Just for the record!!

Moving on!!!

Dreak

07-13-2005, 11:22 AM

Funny, how one day I was in my local Starbucks and the kid behind the "coffee bar" was in a bad mood; looked at me and said, "I'll kill you."

I would love to reply to that..but Ill hold my tongue.

gettin a little off track here..

Im not liking what Im seeing in the media about this whole thing..but Im gonna let it play out until I pass total judgement..

I can allready see the preverbial rug being lifted..now I want to see what gets pushed under it.

07-13-2005, 01:20 PM

Dreak wrote:
Funny, how one day I was in my local Starbucks and the kid behind the "coffee bar" was in a bad mood; looked at me and said, "I'll kill you."

I would love to reply to that..but Ill hold my tongue.

gettin a little off track here..

Im not liking what Im seeing in the media about this whole thing..but Im gonna let it play out until I pass total judgement..

I can allready see the preverbial rug being lifted..now I want to see what gets pushed under it.

I don't consider it to be ALOT, you do!! And, quite honestly, your opinion doesn't matter.

Alot, not alot!! Who cares!!! Not really important in my book.

I certainly have no idea why you would even give a hoot!!

07-13-2005, 06:24 PM

Any information on the mother who reported her son missing?

Through the identification of the clothes he was wearing; although he was decapitated in the bombing, this is how the case was solved.

CUT AND DRY!!

Let's see. I have some questions for the mother. Is she available to the press????

truebeliever

07-13-2005, 07:09 PM

For one, todays British are a mixture of cultures and majority of them being born after the war wouldn't have had a serious issue to contend with until now.

They live in the best and worst times of human history.

No, IG...the Brits are no more "braver", or "stiff upper lipped" than anyone else.

The Germans were firebombed to rubble. 1 million innocent, non-combatents were lumped into Hitlers policies and incinerated and blown to bits by "Bomber" Harris with the American 8th airforce making written complaints about the destruction to Whitehall.

Germany fought on against OVERWHELMING odds...to the last gasp. Men and young boys fought on, not for Hitler but for their families and loved ones...blasted to bits in the cities and towns. Their was NO mercy from the terrorists of the day then.

I do not mean to insult the British who brought many fine things to the world...obviously. Also many bad...obviously.

But the UNIFIED, EXACT trollop roled out by the press in the face of the attacks had me gagging. Somehow only the British will not be bowed. "The terrorists have lost already!" proclaimed another overexcited mainstream media pimp...not so, the empty buses and trains tell the story.

My hat goes off to the Iraqi's...strangled by 10 years of ruthless sanctions. Bombed continuously for the same time and flattened in 2 wars. Still they fight on.

Thats guts. Thats "stiff upper lip".

Of course my heart goes out to the innocent people in London and also to the innocent people all over the world who unfortunately were not blessed with the right skin colour to possess a "stiff upper lip".

BTW...should the Banker lackeys strike here in Perth, West Oz...i too will be getting a bicycle. I have no love of a stiff upper lip. :)

BTW2...though i will not accept the above mentioned cliche...i will accept the cliche that the Brits make the best ironic comedies.

igwt

07-13-2005, 07:23 PM

Now it's going to be on for young and old...

Islamophobia blamed for attack

Vikram Dodd
Wednesday July 13, 2005
The Guardian

A Muslim man has been beaten to death outside a corner shop by a gang of youths who shouted anti-Islamic abuse at him, the Guardian has learned.

Kamal Raza Butt, 48, from Pakistan, was visiting Britain to see friends and family. On Sunday afternoon he went to a shop in Nottingham to buy cigarettes and was first called "Taliban" by the youths and then set upon.

truebeliever

07-13-2005, 07:31 PM

Terrible.

In fact more terrible than the initial bombings.

If we take for a moment (authentic) Jihadists were responsible for the bombings...then these British youths should have NO problem understanding them.

These British youths struck out because people like them had been killed and they were angry.

The (alledged :)) terrorists were also angry that people like them were being killed in their thousands in Iraq and lashed out.

There is an Oprah Winfrey or Dr Phil show in their somewhere.

Why must terorists ALWAYS have dark skin?

BTW...is'nt the old fashioned terrorist attack a wonderful thing. It'a great positive feedback mechanism...now the local Brits response will call for the need for more "security" to protect the people recieving the response from the original attack.

nohope187

07-13-2005, 07:42 PM

truebeliever wrote:
Why must terorists ALWAYS have dark skin?
I read somewhere in a Psychology text book that a study was done showing two pictures of the same person but one was touched up to make it appear as if he had darker skin than in the first picture and the people administering the test intro'ed the two pictures as two different guys. So they asked the question, "Which man looks more suspicious?" and the one with darker skin got like 80-90 percent believed to be suspicious in the experiment. :-P

igwt

07-13-2005, 08:10 PM

truebeliever wrote:

Why must terorists ALWAYS have dark skin?

So true. Some years ago, no more than 5, saw on TV (cable) a news broadcast from Europe, showing neo nazi youths in a large group. Unfortunately couldn't read the Cyrillic teletext, or understand the language.

Have been reliably informed the average neo nazi today are infact blonde, blue eyed located in eastern Europe. They are actively invovled with you could say a form of terrorism.

truebeliever

07-14-2005, 03:07 AM

This is their WORST operation by far. They are battling to hold the official line together. This is going to unravel faster than a Chinese garment makers knit wear.

I've gone from concern to hope. The grass roots response is REALLY getting to them.

I hope they dont respond with a limited nuclear exchange as the only hope to keeping our mouths shut.

Some of the official responses are borderline RIDICULOUS!

Never send a Bankers Lackey to do a mans job. I'd like to say Israel involvement but they appear to be slipping. This is truely turning into a half baked farce for officiundem.
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Ten Step Method To Staging a Terrorist Attack

1) Hire a Crisis Management firm to set up an exercise that parallels the terrorist attack you are going to carry out. Have them run the exercise at the precise locations and at the very same time as the attack. If at any stage of the attack your Arabs get caught, tell the police it was part of an exercise.

2) Hire four Arabs and tell them they're taking part in an important exercise to help defend London from terrorist attacks. Strap them with rucksacks filled with deadly explosives. Tell the Arabs the rucksacks are dummy explosives and wouldn't harm a fly.

3) Tell four Arabs to meet up at London Underground and disperse, each getting on a different train. Make sure Arabs meet in a location where you can get a good mug shot of them all on CCTV which you can later endlessly repeat to drooling masses on television.

4) While four Arabs are in London, plant explosives in their houses in Leeds. Plant some explosives in one of their cars in Luton for the police to later discover. Remember that Qu'ran and flight manual in the hijackers' car? Ha ha, they fell for that one hook, line and sinker. No need to change tactics on this one.

5) Before the bombings take place, make sure you warn any of your buddies who are scheduled to be anywhere near where the bombs go off. If this gets leaked to the press, just deny it.

6) 4th Arab goes out partying in London night before and ends up getting out of bed late. No worries, the 9/11 'hijackers' did the same thing but that didn't cause us a big problem. 4th Arab catches bus to see if other Arabs are waiting for him. 4th Arab starts hearing about explosions in the London Underground. 4th Arab comes to the realization that this he is being set up and freaks out. 4th Arab starts fiddling in his rucksack. 4th Arab sets bomb off and is blown up.

If you hired any additional Arabs and they also got wind of the set up, make sure tere are GPS locators in the rucksacks so you can have police snipers ready to kill them before they can blow the whistle.

7) After the bombs go off, put out a story for over an hour that the explosions are a simple electrical fault. This gives you cover time to make sure the lazy bus Arab is dead and any other hired Arabs who reneged are also dead. Make sure any CCTV footage that doesn't support your official story is either seized or destroyed.

8) A few hours after the bombings, have one of your boys post an 'Al-Qaeda statement' claiming responsibility. Don't worry about the whole 'misreferencing the Qu'ran' thing, these idiots don't have the attention spans to figure it out.

9) After you have made sure that all the Arabs are dead and you are managing the story accordingly, wait for four days until the police piece together the story and find the explosives you planted in Leeds and in the car in Luton. Remember that Qu'ran and flight manual in the hijackers' car? Ha ha, they fell for that one hook, line and sinker. No need to change tactics this time either. The time delay will convince the gullible public that a real investigation is taking place. Create a background of the hired Arabs being militant Muslims. The drooling masses, as was the case with the '9/11 hijackers,' will ignore stories of neighbours saying they were the quiet, educated types who liked children and playing sports.

BBC excerpt: One local resident described him as "a nice lad".

"He liked to play football, he liked to play cricket. I'm shocked."

Another resident said he was just a "normal kid" who played basketball and kicked a ball around.

10) Sit back and enjoy as Blair and his minions grandstand in front of television cameras about staying the course in the war on terror. The pay raise, extra agency funding, and power to strip more freedoms and liberties made the ten easy steps to staging a terrorist attack a worthwhile venture. The dozens of dead people were necessary collateral damage. This is a dirty war, we need to be less moral than the terrorists to defeat them.

And that's how the government staged the bombings in ten easy steps.

Granted, you can interchange different pieces of the puzzle. The bombers could be real terrorists that knew exactly what they were doing. All you would need to do is control the 'mastermind' behind the attack and make sure his boys carried out the job in the way you wanted. Voila.

http://prisonplanet.com/articles/july2005/130705teneasysteps.htm

07-14-2005, 06:48 AM

I don't know about the people in your neighborhood, but in mine, the people between 16 and 41 basicly love the war, they all hate people who look like they've come from the Islamic countries, they admire guys like Oreily, and say that they wouldn't mind getting drafted so they could go over and blow away all muslims, women and children alike, theres no way of getting through to them, I guess they'll finally figure out they were wrong when they cant watch their TVs, cant go get a thirty pack, or roll another joint, but not for the true reasons.

In the midst of idiots.

07-14-2005, 06:59 AM

to me it sounds like this unknown and unnamed company that hired Peter Power and Visor, might have hired people to portray terrorist in a mock drill, unemployment is high and if someone came up to you and asked if you would like to help a company test their terrorist preparedness, and that you could make a heap load of money, for a days worth of work, wouldnt you jump at it , ( the uninitiated, who don't know what extremes the NWO wouldnt try), they were told all they had to do was go to this or that area and wait, what they didn't know was the backpacks they carried were live munitions with timers, Sherlock Holmes would be rolling in his grave right now?

truebeliever

07-14-2005, 07:43 AM

Yes I agree. They appeared hired hands. Probably completely unaware. It will all come to light soon. I feel someone really messed this up and underestimated the publics ability to tell the difference between a silk purse and a sows ear.

Down here in Australia there is little support, if any for Bush. He is considered a complete nutter which is exactly what he is. The same in the U.K.

The war is supported in Iraq only in as much as people believe it will get worse if the West leaves.

No one believes the WMD stuff.

Dont think you are so alone. There are MASSES of people in the U.S who know EXACTLY whats going on.

Dont let the MSM make you feel all alone. They love to make you feel like you're a nutter in the wilderness.

I meet people ALL the time down here in little old Perth, West Oz who know exactly whats happening to varying degree's.

07-14-2005, 07:50 AM

I think their main screw up was that they let Peter Power talk, but then again they (the un named company) needed someone in the limelight that made it look like an innocent test was being done, the question is , is it the CIA, NSA, M5.....

truebeliever

07-14-2005, 08:04 AM

I'm just satisfied that it was a COMPLETE covert op run by elements of the same Intelligence services who do all the naughty shananigans.

COMPLETE in that they simply did'nt stand by and make it easy for REAL nutter Islamic Jihadists to carry it out. "They" did it all themselves and I'm satisfied of that. With help from what appears to be some poor unsuspecting, essentially kids.

I think Oliver Stone did it perfectly in JFK..."no one has said 'he must die', it was just 'in the wind'. Then someone makes a call to my superior officer, lets call him Y..."

The lackey's know what to do. Ex-special forces - Israeli, U.K, U.S, Australian. Heaps of these guys join "Private Companies" who act as "security consultants" sending teams ALL over the world.

Israeli, U.K and Oz ex-military were ALL over Columbia in the 80's.

These people are adrenaline junkies who love the lifestyle and love to kill.

Alot is made of ex-Israeli military and elements of Mossad seeking to tarnish Muslims by any means. I am heading down this track. There reputation preceeds them. Ruthless.

Whoever THEY are exactly..may they rot in hell.

07-14-2005, 08:06 AM

One of the bombers on the tube was decapitated, but they identified him as one of the attackers because his mother reported him missing, but knew what he was wearing when he left the house. Okay, maybe. How long was he missing? One day? A few hours? How old is he? His clothes were identifiable, but his head was decapitated.

They made a positive identification so quickly? JAYSUS!!!

So his head must have been laying right near his body and WALLAH, it was a match.

OMG!!!

truebeliever

07-14-2005, 08:15 AM

Enough has been said to indicate they muffed it up.

The internet is moving this thing along now.

I hear the tone in the reporters voices. They dont believe this crap. They know somethings up.

Dont think for a SECOND BBC reporters ar'nt making their way through forums and places like Alex Jones et.al.

People are e-mailing and faxing like crazy and THEY are under the pump like the Dutch boy with all his fingers in the leaking dyke.

I'm rather enjoying watching the lackey's squirm.

The peasants are asking the right questions..."excuse me, but it appears the Emperor is bereft of clothing"...

07-14-2005, 03:28 PM

It's isn't not is'nt.

07-14-2005, 04:11 PM

PATHETIC!! They're HONORING the victims of the bombings in London.

So, they're honoring them because they gave of their lives to advance the NWO unbeknownst to them.

There is no honor in being blown to bits by bombs that were exploded through a "government sanctioned covert action."

07-14-2005, 07:12 PM

For all the technology that they have in decyphering a crime scene, or a potential one , isnt it strange that in America, instead of having a robot with a portable xray machine, they like to blow up the package or whatever with more explosives, thus they intentionally let the trail go cold, if there going to take a package out to some field,and blow it up, wouldn't it make sense to just have a robot or a crane drop it from a fair distance first, to see what would happen?
We have been totally conditioned in this country, to think that this is the heights of intelligence gathering, it only makes it possible for the evil government to stage faux terrorism, keeping the general public worried and subserviant.

truebeliever

07-14-2005, 07:48 PM

The reputation of the U.S Armed Forces and related services precedes it...

If it moves...shoot it/blow it up then see what it is.

There is an undercurrent of malice in the U.S psyche.

I believe it's because the U.S nation is a "Cancerian" nation - born on the 4th of July/Mum, Dad and apple pie. It loves home and family and is ill suited psychologically for imperial ambitions.

The U.S, ironically, wants to mind it's own business and it's taken an EXTRAORDINARY amount of manipulations and traumatic events to make it the servent of the Anglo/Jewish power brokers in the U.K and Europe with the East Coast Blue Blood Establishment acting as the lackeys - thats Bush and Co.

Like a beaten individual forced into servitude and conscripted to fight wars it does not want to fight...it becomes extremely malicious.

Prior to his appointment as Commissioner of Transport for London in January 2001, Robert Kiley served as President and Chief Executive Officer of the New York City Partnership. The Partnership, the city's leading business and civic organisation, improves the city's economic climate through advocacy and public-private initiatives in education, job creation, affordable housing, and neighbourhood development. Its membership reflects the impressive breadth of the city's private, non-profit and civic leadership.

From 1991 to 1994 he was President of Fischbach Corporation, a major New York-based construction and engineering company, and in 1994 became its Chairman until assuming his position at the New York City Partnership in 1995.

From 1983 until 1990, he was Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of the Metropolitan Transportation Authority (MTA). At the MTA he was responsible for five transportation agencies serving the New York Metropolitan Region where he directed the rebuilding of New York's public transportation system and restructured its management. He led successful efforts to obtain more than $16 billion from the New York State legislature for capital improvements to the city's subways and buses, commuter railroads, tunnels and bridges in the MTA region.

Robert Kiley has consulted with corporations and public agencies at the Management Analysis Center (now Cap Gemini) then headquartered in Cambridge, Massachusetts. In the 1970s he was Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of the Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority in Boston and served as Deputy Mayor of the City of Boston.

Early in his career, he was with the CIA, where he served as Manager of Intelligence Operations and then as Executive Assistant to the Director.

Robert Kiley is a Member of the Council on Foreign Relations, Board Member of the Salzburg International Seminar, the American Repertory Theater, MONY Group Inc, the Princeton Review Inc and Edison Schools, Inc. He is also on the Advisory Board of the Harvard University Center for State and Local Government.

A Magna Cum Laude graduate of the University of Notre Dame, Indiana, USA, Robert Kiley and his wife Rona now live in London.
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http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/chief_officers.shtml

igwt

07-15-2005, 12:23 AM

The expression, "same old, same old" comes to mind.

truebeliever

07-15-2005, 12:28 AM

Yes, an interesting development, but on reflection...not really surprising.

igwt wrote:
Report: Egyptian biochemist has nothing to do with London bombings

http://newsfromrussia.com/world/2005/07/15/60607.html

Taken from the above link:

As Reuters reminds, British police say they are confident they can find an al-Qaeda link to the attacks in which four British-born Muslims, the youngest only 18, blew themselves up in separate attacks on three subway trains and a bus during the morning rush hour.

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They are CONFIDENT THEY CAN FIND AN AL-QAEDA LINK. NOT, THEY BELIEVE THERE IS AN AL-QAEDA LINK. DAMN, SOMEONE WANTS TO DESPERATELY FIND AN AL-QAEDA LINK. OH, YES, THEY WERE FOUR BRITISH BORN MUSLIMS. WELL, ISN'T THAT THEIR LINK? MUSLIMS!!!!

igwt

07-16-2005, 01:38 AM

Why did they buy return train tickets to Luton? Why did they buy pay & display tickets for cars? Why were there no usual shouts of 'Allah Akhbar'? Why were bombs in bags and not on their bodies?

Please read this people. We should all know by now they were complete patsy's, but listen to the excuses given to explain away the fact that they expected to go home after they were employed to pose as "terrorists" by a security consulting firm.

Truly. Physics Forum are doing the press releases for sure.

07-16-2005, 10:04 AM

I'm putting a compendium of odities about the London bombing on my site, would someone like to write a piece that gets to the facts quickly.
There is alot of good material in this forum, anyone up to the challange, whoever writes the best article will get credit for it, if you want it, just user name if thats what you want.
I won't decide who's the best, I get one vote, same as everyone else. if you think your a good writer, post your synopsis.

07-16-2005, 11:03 AM

By the way, I need your articles by Monday morning , Americas time, and it can be any length, if you do want to try,start a new post, titled writers challenge

igwt

07-17-2005, 03:21 AM

July 15, 2005 — One of the bombers in last week's attacks made a direct phone call to a suspected recruiter for an extremist group in New York.

Authorities told ABC News that records show Mohammed Sidique Khan, the eldest of the bombers now believed to be the field commander of the attacks, had called a person who is associated with the Islamic Center, a mosque in Queens, N.Y. Yet, a member of that mosque claimed they had no knowledge of the phone call.
IAN ROSS
ABC NEWS

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/LondonBlasts/story?id=943648&page=1

truebeliever

07-17-2005, 03:39 AM

I will tell you something.

Whenever you hear that "phone intercepts" have heard this or "listening devices" have heard that they are full of shit.

Terrorists, drug dealers and spies do not discuss their plans over the phone. Only the most idiotic fools do that. Usually paid criminal informants who believe they will not be touched until they have outlived their usefulness.

ANYONE, involved in skullduggery of ANY kind knows this...say nothing between 4 walls.

Meet in busy shopping centers and cafes etc...talk quietly.

That is what ASIO/CIA Federal Police/FBI do all day...follow suspects around supermarkets and cafes.

They keep suspects on the books if they go to good restaurants. They've been following me around for 2 years. Funny how now I'm poor and cant afford the best restaurants all the following stopped.

Thanx too to the arsehole who took the $290 out of the envelope. I guess you'd finished with me. Fuckers.

igwt

07-17-2005, 04:30 AM

truebeliever wrote:

... They've been following me around for 2 years. ...

Are you serious. Doesn't that disturb you? Authorities should only be following/watching people who may have an agenda...dangerous people.

igwt

07-17-2005, 04:43 AM

http://kurtnimmo.com/blog/?p=825

igwt

07-17-2005, 08:10 AM

Interesting thread shows picture of one of the vehicles next to the bus that was bombed, with the corporate logo, 'Kingstar Services'

Kingstar Services web site describes their services as:
'Kingstar Services
Controlled Demolition
Demolition in areas where minimal disruption and minimal noise requirements are paramount. Using any combination of our specialist operations Kingstar can advise on and undertake any aspect of controlled demolition and/or dismantling.'

truebeliever

07-17-2005, 08:45 AM

You have GOT to be kidding me!!!!!!!!!!!!!

07-17-2005, 09:06 AM

UN FREAKEN BELIEVABLE!

Ok I need to change the deadline for the article I'd like to put on my site, Someone please gather the best oddities, and put them all in one post if you would, this deffinately needs to be out there.

WOW!

igwt

07-17-2005, 09:18 AM

igwt wrote:
Interesting thread shows picture of one of the vehicles next to the bus that was bombed, with the corporate logo, 'Kingstar Services'

Kingstar Services web site describes their services as:
'Kingstar Services
Controlled Demolition
Demolition in areas where minimal disruption and minimal noise requirements are paramount. Using any combination of our specialist operations Kingstar can advise on and undertake any aspect of controlled demolition and/or dismantling.'

Interesting point. On Cloak and Dagger site,
- http://www.cloakanddagger.de/ - 14th, they had a audio interview with a man named Tom Anigan?, who stated that an Israeli/French anti-terrorism group, attempted to warn the British via Scotland Yard, of a compromised mock bomb drill involving Visor Consultants, and were told to back-off.

07-17-2005, 10:17 AM

The next thing to do is find out if Kingstar was the unnamed company that Peter Power speaks of?

07-17-2005, 11:18 AM

I tried to go to a map from kinstar that would show where their business is located, but their own link had been taken down, CURIOUS?

igwt

07-17-2005, 11:55 AM

Torchlithill wrote:
I tried to go to a map from kinstar that would show where their business is located, but their own link had been taken down, CURIOUS?

This is what I found.

104 Waverley Road
Plumstead
London
SE18 7TJ

07-17-2005, 12:26 PM

Well, Richard Clark was on Ted Koppels Nightline a couple of days ago, I just watched a tape I recorded, and it looks like he has been bought out by the NWO, or threatened, knowing that the people blew themselves up even though they had timers on the bombs, he failed to say that they had to be patsies.
He is no longer interrested in the truth, just would rather blaim Alquida, although with the latest info coming out here lately, it looks like this one is going to be hell for them to get out of. My new mantra, Their guilt in tow , lets see their heads roll!

truebeliever

07-17-2005, 08:12 PM

IGWT...the CIA was also warning Bush of 9-11 but was ignored.

The CIA was involved...serving intelligence people.

The FBI was involved...DAve FRasca of the muslim fundamentalist unit who quashed 5 investigations on their own.

I should be more specific...ELEMENTS of Iraeli intelligence. Serving and ex.

There are groups of PRIVATE CONTRACTERS who are LITERALLY sub contracted out to do work like this.

NATO has units...it's endless. And units we've never heard of.

There will always be Israeli involvement at the highest levels of the se operations. ALWAYS.

Israel is the thug setup by the West to control the recalcitrent Arabs who for some reason believe THEY may benefit from the white mans oil.

Israel does as it's told. Though i am informed by many on the web that it's the other way around. We'll find out for sure one day.

07-17-2005, 08:27 PM

Anyone on this site from London area, if so try to find out how many vans they have, and public projects they were doing at the time, it might not be anything but might be something?
Different eyes see different things>

07-21-2005, 08:19 AM

CNN was covering the bomb explosions in LONDON, cut to President Bush who is giving a speech somewhere unrelated to this incident.

The first words out of his mouth are:

FREEDOM is a beautiful thing!!!!

CNN cuts away, because obviously this MAN has no idea that there have been explosions in London!!!!!!!!

igwt

07-21-2005, 02:17 PM

Last Update: Friday, July 22, 2005. 5:06am (AEST)

British police say a series of minor blasts on the London transport system overnight were meant to kill, even though there have been no deaths.

Attempts were made to set off explosives at four locations, three at underground train stations and one on a bus.

Police say the explosions took place almost simultaneously.

The blasts took place a fortnight after the London bombings which killed 56 people, including the four suicide bombers.

This time the blasts reported by witnesses were far less serious, with police reporting just one injury, although the British capital's transport system has again been plunged into chaos.

But the attacks carried a series of chilling echoes of a fortnight before with witnesses again reporting explosive devices carried in rucksacks.

Police also stressed that however limited the impact, the intention of the attackers had been plain - to wreak the same carnage seen on July 7.

"Clearly the intention must have been to kill. You don't do this with any other intention," the head of London's Metropolitan Police, Sir Ian Blair, told a press conference.

"I think the important point is that the intention of the terrorists has not been fulfilled."
Alert

The alert began just before 12:30pm local time (9.30pm AEST) when police evacuated Shepherd's Bush Underground station to the west of the city centre, with witnesses reporting smoke around the station entrance.

Almost simultaneously there were emergencies at two other stations, Oval to the south and Warren Street, right next to London's central West End shopping district.

Witnesses on the latter two trains reported seeing small explosions coming from rucksacks, the same bomb-carrying method used by the four British Muslim men named by police as the July 7 suicide bombers.

Ivan McCracken, who had been travelling on the train attacked at Warren Street, said fellow passengers described seeing a man carrying a rucksack which "suddenly exploded."

"It was a minor explosion but enough to blow open the rucksack. The man then made an exclamation as if something had gone wrong. At that point everyone rushed from the carriage," he said.

An eyewitness who was on the train at Oval station described seeing a man flee after his rucksack exploded.

"There was a little explosion. As soon as the door opened the man ran away and people were trying to run after him," the unnamed woman told Sky News television, adding that he appeared to escape.

About an hour later, the driver of a Number 26 bus driving through Shoreditch, just east of the centre, reported hearing a loud bang on the top deck of the vehicle followed by a pall of smoke.

On investigating he found some of the bus's windows blown out.

Police refused to detail exactly what had happened, with Sir Ian saying only that "attempts have been made to set off explosive devices", also declining to definitively link the attacks with those two weeks before.

"There is a resonance here, I mean these are four attacks, there were four attacks before," he said.

Terrorism experts said the most likely scenario was that the attackers had intended to cause similar carnage to July 7, but their rucksack bombs failed to go off as planned.

Magnus Ranstorp, director of the Centre for the Study of Terrorism and Political Violence at the University of Saint Andrews in Scotland, said the bombs may have been a "bad batch" or badly wired.

"I think there could be the possibility that the material was degraded or they did not wire it correctly," he told AFP.

"The material could have been from a bad batch of explosives that had been degraded."

Police stressed that the latest attacks could prove a major boost to officers investigating the attacks a fortnight before.

"We do believe that this may represent a significant breakthrough in the sense that there is obviously forensic material at these scenes which may be very helpful to us so I feel very positive about some of these developments," Sir Ian said.
Carry on as normal

Prime Minister Tony Blair urged Londoners to repeat their much-praised attitude to the July 7 attacks and carry on as normal.

The attackers were trying to "intimidate people and to scare them and to frighten them to stop them going about their normal business," he said after talks with Prime Minister John Howard at Downing Street.

"It is important that we respond by keeping to our normal lives and doing what we want to do because to do otherwise is, in a sense, to give them the very thing they are looking for."

Despite the limited impact, the attacks shut down much of the London Underground system and brought traffic gridlock to parts of the city as police sealed off a series of streets.

For the second time in two weeks, thousands of Londoners heading home from work faced the prospect of waiting hours for a packed bus, walking to a railway station or making the entire journey on foot.

"You can never really expect it, but it's less of a surprise this time," said Siva Rubakumar, a 32-year-old accountant standing near Saint Paul's station, wondering how to begin his trek to a distant northern suburb.

"But what can you do? You have to keep going on. You don't want these people to change the way you live."

"They pushed him onto the floor and unloaded five shots into him. He's dead," witness Mark Whitby told the British Broadcasting Corp. "He looked like a cornered fox. He looked petrified."

Strange.

If I was a SUICIDE bomber I'd have just blown myself up and taken a few coppers with me.

"Petrified"...of what? Dying?

Is he a suicide bomber or not?

I'd say he was ANOTHER poor bastard told..."look, we need another "drill" done to see if our new checking procedures are up to scratch after the bombing. Off you go, there's a good lad!"

And the simple people ask simple questions.

Dreak

07-22-2005, 11:00 AM

um..yea..sure...

"here ya go laddie..heres a nice thick padded coat..go run into the tube..run from cops..then when they have you on the ground reach for that red coard we have dangling from the outside vest pocket..see what happens m8..ok your off now laddie go get-em tiger."

"oh yea..forgot to mention the coppers are kinda trigger happy right now..so Play it cool m8..yea..good boy.. "

07-22-2005, 04:41 PM

Okay, let me see if I have this correct.

A MAN WEARING A THICK, PADDED COAT RAN ONTO A TRAIN AND WAS SHOT FIVE TIMES AND KILLED BY BRITISH POLICE!!!!

Okay, he looked petrified. As TB said, if he's a suicide bomber, why is he petrified?

What? Are the police going to become trigger happy now.

If he's innocent? then what?

KEEPING the level of fear and anxiety high after a terrorist strike is a tactic. If they don't, you will let your guard down and become comfortable with the feeling of safety.

Living in a "state of fear." Hmmm, sounds like something they inflict on "mind control" slaves.

We had 911, anthrax scare, Maryland sniper, virus unleased in China, evacuations at government buildings and they're still raping us at the gas pumps although they have invaded an oil rich nation.

Think about this. 2,000 Iraqi security forces have been killed.

We are there to install Freedom, but, yet, we've killed and bombed their country to the point that we must award contracts to our own to rebuild, stolen their oil fields and more of their forces have died than American soldiers (if the count is correct).

Not to mention the thousands who were killed and wounded during the invasion and continue to be killed and wounded.

What's with all these suicide bombings in Iraq? People are beginning to become prisoners of their own homes.

I wish I lived there, President Bush. Thanks for bringing such a "beautiful thing" called Freedom to the Iraqi people.

Which country is next?

07-22-2005, 05:13 PM

OOhh, OOhh, look!!

I've been wreaking my brain like one of those Freemason conspiracy theorists trying to connect the dots to the London train bombings.

First attack: 7/7

Second attack: 7/21

Look!!! 3 x 7 equals 21!!

Okay, what's that mean? Anything?

truebeliever

07-22-2005, 08:34 PM

um..yea..sure...

"here ya go laddie..heres a nice thick padded coat..go run into the tube..run from cops..then when they have you on the ground reach for that red coard we have dangling from the outside vest pocket..see what happens m8..ok your off now laddie go get-em tiger."

"oh yea..forgot to mention the coppers are kinda trigger happy right now..so Play it cool m8..yea..good boy.. "

Yup. Now you're getting it Dreak.

Thats exactly what happens.

I'll be glad to enlighten you as to the methods used by the security services to rid themselves of informents who know to much.

The 4 boys were paid informants of the security and intelligence services.

There are thousands of "good Muslim" boys making GOOD money to join Mosques to let the Super Cops in on any shanninigans.

To get up credibility they will even send the boys to study at schools in Pakistan.

Suicide bombers out to kill themselves have a certain mindset which precludes them from feeling terribly "petrified".

He was a loose end.

WAS being the operative word.

If you have any specific questions on how the Intelligence Services Operate, please just drop me a line.

TB

07-22-2005, 09:02 PM

Well, then, that brings up the topic of "SUICIDE BOMBERS" and I think a thread would be appropriate to address this issue.

The MINDSET of a suicide bomber is a crucial question.

Why would anyone blow themselves up????

Hate to say this, but "mind control" might have something to do with the equation.

Let's discuss the mind of a "suicide bomber."

Their purpose is to instill fear and we know that is the purpose of our government here in the United States.

I would rather stay alive on earth fighting then blow myself up and accomplish absolutely zero OTHER THAN FEAR IN THE MASSES.

I believe that some of the families are paid good bucks for this act of self-destruction and these men are "brainwashed" to believe this is an act that is honorable.

In some ways she was far more acute than Winston, and far less susceptible to Party propaganda.

Once when he happened in some connexion to mention the war against Eurasia, she startled him by saying casually that in her opinion the war was not happening.

The rocket bombs which fell daily on London were
probably fired by the Government of Oceania itself, 'just to keep people frightened'.

This was an idea that had literally never occurred to him."

In the book, for those who don't already know, Oceania is one of the
world's three great powers - basically the US empire with its 'unsinkable aircraft carrier' in the form of the UK, but without the European mainland.

igwt

07-23-2005, 06:45 AM

Interesting article about connections to London Bombings...

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=3314

nohope187

07-23-2005, 10:35 PM

same ol bullshit pretext to police state. So what else is new? :-P

igwt

07-24-2005, 11:39 AM

http://www.faulkingtruth.com/Articles/Commentary/1040.html

REBELBULL

07-24-2005, 02:50 PM

SOMETHING IS FISHY HERE,FIRST X MAYOR OF NEW YORK
GIULIANI SO HAPPENED TO BE LONDON THAT DAY NOT SO FAR AWAY FROM THE BLASTS. SECOND HOW IS IT THAT THEY WHERE HAVING DRILLS OF BOMBS GOING OFF IN THE SAME STATIONS AT THE SAME TIME AND THEN IT REALLY HAPPENS.HMMMMM.
THIRD HOW IS IT THAT TWO WEEKS LATER 4 BOMBERS TRY IT AGIAN BUT NONE OF THE BOMBS GO OFF BECOUSE THE BOMBS ALL FOUR OF THEM WHERE MADE WRONG. YEA RIGTH LIKE THE BOMBERS ALL FOUR OF THEM GOING TO MESS THAT UP. OPEN YOUR EYES PEOPLE OUR OWN GOVERMENT IS DOING THIS TO BUT FEAR IN OUR HEARTS
SO WE CAN ALL GIVE UP OUR RIGTHS AND BE COME SLAVES TO THEIR NEW WORLD ORDER.

nohope187

07-24-2005, 05:28 PM

igwt wrote:
http://www.faulkingtruth.com/Articles/Commentary/1040.html that was a cool article. And that's the fucking truth. :-P

What happend to printing with credible evidence and people..no no..not with Internet..Create your own and bingo bango a new " fight the (insert who you want to fuck here). BS.

You do understand that the burden of proof is on you now ? Not your BS links or suspictions..

You think if you even catch something that was man made that those things are given to you..no ?

Suckers

Find IT..Prove It..

D.

Saturnino

07-25-2005, 12:00 PM

Hi Dreak,

Are you a teenager ? I am asking because of the way you write. If you are, friend, I advise you to develop some good research on your own before joining this forum.
People here have been studying the New World Order for many years and have good information to base what they are talking about.
If you disagree, please explain the support for your opinions. Develop your line of thought.

Thank you !

Dreak

07-25-2005, 12:24 PM

People here have been studying the New World Order for many years and have good information to base what they are talking about.

really. ?

were were you when I was asking some serious Questions ? you have been here "joined" for much longer then I have..

Im putting the burdon of proof on those that you speak of.

Alot of "links" have been posted..but not really alot of proof.

or am I just supposed to research what is here and prove it right or wrong ?

What is a Base of Information when there is little validity in what is being posted ?

I may ask questions that you might not like..but then again your "years" of experience should be able to shed some light on these things..

Peace D.

PS. Im 35, but I might write like a teen..depending on your point of view m8.

truebeliever

07-25-2005, 08:34 PM

Quote from article:

"The policeman said 'mind that hole, that's where the bomb was'. The metal was pushed upwards as if the bomb was underneath the train. They seem to think the bomb was left in a bag, but I don't remember anybody being where the bomb was, or any bag," he said.

"I was in tube bomb carriage - and survived"

CAMBRIDGE dancer Bruce Lait has spoken of his miraculous escape when a bomb exploded just yards away from him in a Tube train carriage.

The 32-year-old was knocked out by the blast and awoke to a terrible scene of devastation in the underground tunnel near London's Aldgate East station.

Mr Lait, who teaches dance in Cambridge, believes he and his dance partner Crystal Main were the only passengers in the carriage who survived the blast without serious injury - even though they were sitting nearest to where the bomb detonated.

When he came to, there was a body lying on top of him and he was surrounded by the dead and injured. But incredibly, the only wounds the dance coach sustained were facial lacerations and a perforated eardrum.

The explosion happened just after Mr Lait and Ms Main, 23, got on the train at Liverpool Street on their way to the South Bank for a rehearsal.

He recalled that the carriage had about 20-25 people in it, from all walks of life, and aged from their teens to over 60.

"I remember an Asian guy, there was a white guy with tracksuit trousers and a baseball cap, and there were two old ladies sitting opposite me," he said.

"We'd been on there for a minute at most and then something happened. It was like a huge electricity surge which knocked us out and burst our eardrums. I can still hear that sound now," he said.

The impact of the blast made him pass out. As he came to, he wondered whether he was alive or dead.

"We were right in the carriage where the bomb was. I was knocked out. I did not know what was going on.

"I wondered if I was dead or not. I said to myself, you can't be dead because your brain is having conscious thoughts, so concentrate hard. I was telling myself 'wake up Bruce, wake up'."
Royal visitor: At the Royal London Hospital
Royal visit: At Royal London Hospital

Disorientated, he only gradually realised where he was and what had happened.

"When I woke up and looked around I saw darkness, smoke and wreckage. It took a while to realise where I was and what was going on, then my first concern was for Crystal.

"She was okay but she was in shock because she was trying to deal with the person on top of her who had massive head injuries. We have just found out that this person died," said Mr Lait, who lives in Suffolk.

He too was afraid to move because there was a seriously injured woman lying on top of him.

"I realised someone was lying on top of me. I tried not to move her because I didn't know if she was still alive, or I could have made it worse. This person also died, while on top of me."

At the same time, he slowly tried to work out whether he or Crystal had been injured.

"I thought if I can wiggle my toes I'm okay, and I could, and I asked Crystal to do the same."

Describing the scene as they waited for help, he said: "It was just the most awful scene of death and there were body parts everywhere. There was something next to me. I was trying not to look. I couldn't figure out what it was."

When paramedics arrived, they confirmed that the woman on top of him was dead and carefully moved her body. Mr Lait said the middle-aged woman had blonde curly hair, was dressed in black, and could have been a businesswoman.

He and Crystal were helped out of the carriage. As they made their way out, a policeman pointed out where the bomb had been.

It was like a huge electricity surge which knocked us out and burst our eardrums.

Tube survivor Bruce Lait

"The policeman said 'mind that hole, that's where the bomb was'. The metal was pushed upwards as if the bomb was underneath the train. They seem to think the bomb was left in a bag, but I don't remember anybody being where the bomb was, or any bag," he said.

They were led through the tunnel to the platform at Aldgate, which was just a few hundred yards away, and taken out of the station to wait for an ambulance.

Mr Lait was taken to the Royal London Hospital, Whitechapel, where he was visited by the Queen on Friday.

He said: "They asked would I mind if my name were put forward and I said I'd love to meet the Queen, even if the circumstances weren't ideal."

Sitting with his parents, Pat and Tom, Mr Lait told the Queen as she stood at his bedside: "I'm very thankful to still be here."

He said of Her Majesty: "She just seemed very nice and concerned, she seemed very genuine."

Now back at home, he has been trying to recover from the ordeal, with the help of friends and family.

Mr Lait, who teaches the Latin formation team XS, based in Cambridge, and the Cambridge Dancers' Club, said he has been moved by people's care and consideration.
On the floor: Bruce with dance partner Crystal, who was also on the train
On the floor: Bruce & dance partner Crystal, who was also on the train

"I've had people who know me phone me from all over the world and ask if I am alright. Those pictures of me and the Queen have gone all over the world."

And he said the terrible experience has given him a new outlook on life.

"It has made me realise how important life is, and that we only get one life, and we've got to be happy with what we've got in our lives."

Reflecting on the ordeal, he said: "Out of that whole carriage, I think Crystal and I were the only ones who were not seriously injured, and I think we were nearest the bomb.

"It makes me thank Him up there. I'm not overly religious but I'm not a disbeliever. I pray now and again. Something like this has just made me think, 'thank you Lord'."

“It’s very important to them to clear a crime scene quickly and get back to business as usual,” said Sterling P. Owen IV, the Knoxville chief of police. “They do not want their lives and businesses to be disrupted. Their philosophy is, we’re going to reopen just as though it never happened.”

""Their philosophy is, we’re going to reopen just as though it never happened.""

There is a tear of "sweet contempt" running down Eric Blairs (Goerge Orwells) face right now where ever his spirit may be.

Somewhere in Israel tears of laughter are falling, indeed cascading down the faces of men in black.

Where is JOE VIALLS when you need him!

Is he capable of a great deal of bullshit? Yes! But these events are calling for an article from "Old Joe". That will not be happening.;)

Till new evidence persuades me otherwise...this man was murdered because he knew something.

He was a loose end. But no more.

**Just a note. PURE SPECULATION on my part. The man was over seas getting money for his family? He was/is a drug mule. Globalsits - Intelligence Services - Drugs - Informents - Patsy's. With deepest respects to this mans family. I am purely speculating. More will come of this.

truebeliever

07-26-2005, 01:23 AM

There is NO single giveaway. Just a series of events that are HIGHLY suspicious.

Taken in the context of the time and place, I find the OFFICIAL explanation "simply not belivable" as one famous district attorney told a short man with no eyebrows.

truebeliever

07-26-2005, 07:29 PM

Reports alledge that 2 of the "bombers" were suicide bombers but failed.

They ran off.

Now, heres the rub.

A simple question from a simple person.

They are still at large?

How is that?

There are 7000 surveillence camera's in the city of London. They are manned 24/7. They can "track".

How did these "suicide bombers" give the coppers the flick?

Armed Police EVERYWHERE! 2 weeks after 50+ dead?

nohope187

07-26-2005, 07:33 PM

obviously, something smell rotton. :-P

igwt

07-27-2005, 04:36 PM

Here is a link if anyone is interested in pictures of the damage...

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/popup?id=979901&content=&page=1

truebeliever

07-28-2005, 11:46 PM

http://a.abcnews.com/images/WNT/abc_lontrain5_050727_ssh.jpg

Not much in the way of soot and heat damage. This is the bomb that people believe was UNDERNEATH the train. This is consistent with the intense white heat "flash" being absorbed and "deflected" by the floor of the train. A VERY compelling peice of evidence.

http://a.abcnews.com/images/WNT/abc_lontrain2_050727_ssh.jpg

More what you would expect to find with a blast originating INSIDE of the train between London's Kings Cross and Russell Square Underground stations, where 27 people were killed.

http://a.abcnews.com/images/WNT/abc_lontrain6_050727_ssh.jpg

This is the Edgware Road Underground station bomb and appears NOT to have originated from underneath the train. However...note that "cross beam" running left to right...it has a nice "chunk" missing out of it. Also, is the carpet hiding "upturned" metal? Actually, i'm going to claim it was possibly underneath and attached to that cross member. The fact that a "chunk" is missing from it suggests an explosive device was directly attached to it. It is EXTREMELY unlikely that a bomb directly above it could penetrate the floor and take that "chunk" out.

Also, check out that carpet and compare it to the wall behind it. Note the heat damage the wall has absorbed and then look at the carpet? The explosive device was strapped to the "wall" side of that crossmember and the heat blast was directed "up" and "back" against the wall.

The witness statement that claimed the hole appeared to have been caused by a bomb "underneath" the train was "London's Aldgate East station." See top photo.

Thanx for the links IGWT.

Also...

"Experts" conclude the devices were "powerful". Really? And to cover their ass, are trying to say it was a VERY powerful "home made" bomb that contains "Triacetonetriperoxide" (TATP). The best info on this sort of bomb comes from...Technion-Israel Institute of Technology.

Here is the part article from Janes Defence Weekly.

TIC Briefing: Terrorist use of TATP explosive

By Richard Evans

Preliminary forensic testing of materials in a house in Leeds, UK, and the scenes of the 7 July terrorist attacks in London have identified traces of Triacetonetriperoxide (TATP), a powerful home-made explosive.

Further testing by explosives forensic experts will still be necessary to confirm the presence of TATP, along with any other explosive produced at that address. If any chemical slurry left over from the production process can be detected, then this too will be subject to analysis.

The terrorists’ use of TATP may reflect an awareness of the UK counterterrorism security environment, where any attempt to acquire commercial or military grade explosives is likely to quickly bring a terrorist network to the attention of authorities. A decision to use TATP, which is composed of relatively small quantities of materials widely available on the open market, would have helped to reduce the likelihood of detection by security forces during the logistics phase of the operation.

Triacetonetriperoxide (TATP) is a highly volatile, highly explosive compound made from widely available chemicals, including acetone, hydrogen peroxide and a mineral acid.

Accurate information on the properties of TATP is difficult to locate in open sources, possibly due to concern about its potential use in construction of terrorist IEDs; what material does exist in the public domain is often contradictory and confusing. Explosives such as TNT explode following an input of energy, for example heat or shock. This causes the explosive molecule to break up, the fragments then combining to release energy in the form of heat and light. The difference in energy between the original molecule and its products thus defines the energy liberated from the explosion. However, according to researchers at the Technion-Israel Institute of Technology, TATP does not react in this way; rather, it explodes by the breaking of each solid TATP molecule to form four molecules of gas (ozone and acetone), without the products reacting with each other. The evolved gas now occupies the volume originally occupied by the solid explosive, but at much higher pressure. The gases expand outwards, causing a shockwave in the air and accelerating the surrounding material to high velocities. The work done by the detonation of TATP is about 80 per cent that of TNT, its detonation velocity being about 5250 m/s.

The plastic is plastic. It has either been removed in the pic where I claim explosive may have been strapped to the crossmember or has felt the full force of the blast and been stripped away.

Soot comes from the intense heat of the white flash burning materials in it's vicinity. If it is a "cheapy" home made job it tends to "burn" inefficiently and produce soot.

The photo's showing pics of the carriage where it is claimed by a witness to have originated "under" the carriage we see literally "no" heat damage as it was absorbed and reflected by the floor of the train.

As is the case of that pic of the hole with the cross member with the chunk out of it...the carpet appears virtually "unsinged"...which would be the case if the explosive had been on the floor.

I was in fact one of the first as far as i can tell to point out that it was OBVIOUSLY MILITARY/MINING explosive and not a home made job. As far as I know i was THE first, on LF to point out that the bus was the result of a 15-20kg charge LOW DOWN and well to the REAR of the vehicle and NOT on the top deck.

I was one of the first to point out the ridiculous claim that 4.5kg was used when it was in the 10-20kg range for the blast that blew the side of the train out and through a wall and also for the bus. The "under" the floor bomba appear smaller in the -10kg range.

DREAK..."spoiler" or "girly bitch slapper from the sidelines" is easy.

Try putting it "out there" your self.

Your character comes shining through in the state of your posts.

I pity your children if you have any.

I will avoid you in the future as ANYONE who believes this London bombings was ANYTHING other than a setup...has OBVIOUSLY not had a good look at the evidence and historical record or 2 is simply playing games.

I have NO WISH to spend hours explaining it all to you DREAK. If you're serious you'll find it out for yourself.

The Fox News version also cited multiple witnesses, and there seemed to be no question about it: "Some witness accounts suggested the bus bomber may have blundered, blowing up the wrong target and accidentally killing himself."

The UK Sun said that, "Shocked survivors told how they saw a 'suicide bomber' on board the double-decker bus destroyed in yesterday’s terrorist outrage." Other reports referred to "accounts from eyewitnesses on the No. 30 bus" that "raise the spectre of a suicide bomber."

So there you have it. Case closed. According to almost every major news report, not only did investigators find "some of his property on the double-decker bus in which 13 died", but they apparently had multiple reliable witnesses who actually saw the bomber enter the bus with his bomb, and lived to tell about it. Granted, the alleged bomber himself was blown to bits, but who cares, because "WE'VE GOT EYEWITNESSES!"

Justice prevails again. Or does it? Let's take a look at the list of witnesses that have come forward to corroborate the "official version" of the story as it was so dutifully reported by the press.

Okay, first of all there's this guy.......Richard Jones, 61, of Berkshire. And then there's.......um, there's.....well, there's these two girls who told someone at some hospital that they saw a guy "blow up". Names? NO, we didn't get THEIR names, or their stories, and we don't actually HAVE any other witnesses......but we've got Richard Jones!

Luckily, Jones' story is so detailed, and his account is so reliable, that we don't NEED any other witnesses. I mean, everybody has heard his saga by now.....haven't they? Well, if you haven't, don't worry, we'll tell you his story right now. Because Jones SAW THE BOMBER!

Let's start with what we know "for certain" (Why? Because Richard Jones told us!): He was on the bus just seconds before it blew up, saw the bomber with the bomb, and miraculously, got off just in the nick of time.

First, let's hear what Jones had to say about the bomber:

The UK's Sunday Mail said that Jones "revealed how he came face-to-face with one of the London bombers" and that Jones said that the bombing suspect "was right in my face." Then, in the same interview, Jones also said that "He was standing with his back to me downstairs at the driver's side."

The Associated Press version quotes Jones from the BBC interviews as saying, ""Everybody is standing face-to-face and this guy kept dipping into this bag."

But then, in an article in the UK's Sun, Jones had this to say: "I did not see his face because he was constantly looking down."

And in another interview he said it this way: "I didn't actually see his face but he was becoming more and more anxious."

In the Sunday Mail: "he only got off because he was so annoyed by the man next to him fiddling with a rucksack"

The interview with ABC's Charles Gibson:

Jones: " It was a, obviously, a small bag. It didn't go beyond the width of his ankles."

Gibson: "The police have said that they have seen these fellows arriving at King Cross Station (sic) in a closed-circuit television, one of those security cameras, and that they had knapsacks, rucksacks, backpacks on. Is that what this looked like?" (Editor's note: Is that what they call "leading the witness?")

Jones: "That's correct, well, it, it would be something, it wasn't like a large sports bag which protruded beyond his ankles. So that would be consistent."

"A paper sack"....."a small bag"....."fiddling with a rucksack"...."knapsack, rucksack, backpack"....."it wasn't like a large sports bag."

This is not looking good for the prosecution. Be honest with me here. How many of you out there wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a paper sack and a backpack? That's what I thought. Okay, let's move on to the bomber's appearance:

In the News Observer: "He described the man as being about 6 feet tall, olive-skinned and clean-shaven, wearing light brown trousers and a light brown top."

The Sunday Mail: "The man was wearing hipster-style fawn checked trousers, with exposed designer underwear, and a matching jersey-style top. Richard said: 'The pants looked very expensive, they were white with a red band on top.'"

Associated Press: "He described the man as being about 6 feet tall, olive-skinned and clean-shaven, wearing light brown trousers and a light brown top."

But then, on July 15, newspapers and TV stations around the world carried pictures of 18 year old Hasib Hussain....the bus suicide bomber, taken by closed circuit television cameras just two and half hours before he allegedly blew up London Bus No. 30. The Age online newspaper ran a picture of Hussain, and said that "The image is grainy but stubble is visible on his face. He is wearing a dark jacket and dark trousers and his carrying a backpack."

And the real bombing suspect? "stubble visible on his face.....wearing a dark jacket and dark trousers." And correct me if I'm wrong, but in the picture, his dark jacket, dark trousers, and shirt all appear to be blue....not "fawn checkered....not "light brown".

Moving on....Our expert eyewitness then got off of the bus because.....well, we'll let him tell you why he got off of the bus:

Remember the Sunday Mail? "he only got off because he was so annoyed by the man next to him fiddling with a rucksack."

From the Reuters version: "Richard Jones jumped off his bus when he realised it wasn't following the usual route."

Associated Press: "Jones decided to join another passenger who said he was going to walk instead."

Back to the ABC News interview:

Gibson: "Now, I understand you got off just before the explosion because the bus had been re-routed and, and really wasn't getting anywhere."

Jones: "Correct. I was then able to go out the back door, the rear door of the bus."

And finally, lets go back to the UK Sun article: "Richard stepped off the bus at his destination."

Wait, there's one more. From the Independent: "Mr Jones got off the bus - he did not know why - and started walking."

"Wasn't following the usual route"...."decided to walk"...."wasn't getting anywhere"...."annoyed by the man with the rucksack"...."reached his destination"...."got off the bus-he did not know why."

And that's not all. In several versions, Jones said that he exited out "the back door, the rear door", (ABC interview), and that "we banged the back of the bus and the driver then let us off," (Associated Press), but then, in the Sunday Mail version, he said, "I had to bang on the front door and shouted something like, 'Come on, Jimmy, we want off.' About half a dozen got out the back door just before us and the same number, including me, left by the front."

"Banged the back of the bus"...."banged on the front door"....went out "the back door, the rear door"...."left by the front."

While Richard Jones "expert testimony" was used to supposedly "identify" Hasib Hussain as the London Bus bomber, and whose story, excuse me.....stories.....have been repeated around the world, ad nauseam, a witness who was on one of the London train carriages has been largely ignored. 32 year-old dance instructor Bruce Lait, who was in the carriage where the bomb went off (and has the injuries to prove it), said that "the metal was pushed upwards as if the bomb was underneath the train,"and "they seem to think the bomb was left in a bag, but I don't remember anybody being where the bomb was, or any bag."

Whether Richard Jones is a sick publicity hound who is trying to cash in on the tragedies of the London bombings, a pathological liar who has either gradually embellished his story or cut it out of whole cloth, or was in fact planted by "someone" to corroborate the official story, one thing is certain. His story is not credible, and is so full of holes that anything he says should be discounted as unreliable. And other than Jones, authorities have singled out NO EYEWITNESSES WHATSOVER to the bus bombing, and public officials and the media have once again perpetuated a story that just doesn't hold up to close examination.

April 19, 1995, Oklahoma City.....9/11/2001, New York City......and now, July 7, 2005, London......Three tragedies, three cities, and an entire world still waiting for the truth.

(Editor's note: A special thanks to Faulking Truth reader Chris Day, who contributed much of the research that made this article possible.)

because I know for a fact that thermo plastic can burn inside of itself..

Your pics really didnt say anything to me..not for sure anyway..

Im negative ? well. yea..anyone with half a fucking brain thinkin the world is being taken over by NWO would want to ask a couple questions here and there to have solid Proof of things..

YOu meander here and there..every thing is a conspiracy..sigh..

oh one more thing..

you said I pity your children if you have any.

yea..Id agree with one of the other posters that you started getting personal about things..

"If I were face to face with you.. Id kick your Fucking Teeth In ! "

One othere personal thing..I agree with BA... your an Irational sick fucker that just uses scare tactics and sick links to your line of thinking. well good for you m8ty.. you need some time off .. get your job ( really good luck ) and get a fucking life .

igwt

08-02-2005, 03:07 AM

On FOX News Channel's Day Side, Terrorism Expert John Loftus revealed that Haroon Rashid Aswat, the suspect wanted by British Police for "masterminding" the July 7th London bombings and July 21st attempted bombings is in fact an asset of MI6, the British Secret Service. According to Loftus, Aswat has been under the protection of MI6 for many years.

igwt

08-02-2005, 04:16 AM

For a transcript of FOX News Channel's Day Side segment, see link as follows:

http://www.theinsider.org/mailing/article.asp?id=1425

08-02-2005, 08:16 AM

igwt wrote:
On FOX News Channel's Day Side, Terrorism Expert John Loftus revealed that Haroon Rashid Aswat, the suspect wanted by British Police for "masterminding" the July 7th London bombings and July 21st attempted bombings is in fact an asset of MI6, the British Secret Service. According to Loftus, Aswat has been under the protection of MI6 for many years.

So, what's the deal with Loftus?

Don't you love how they always refer to the "assets" inside military intelligence who work for them as the "masterminds" behind the attacks!?!

igwt

08-02-2005, 10:11 AM

BlueAngel wrote:

So, what's the deal with Loftus?

Don't you love how they always refer to the "assets" inside military intelligence who work for them as the "masterminds" behind the attacks!?!

Similar to an oxymoron... :-o

08-02-2005, 06:09 PM

igwt wrote:

BlueAngel wrote:

So, what's the deal with Loftus?

Don't you love how they always refer to the "assets" inside military intelligence who work for them as the "masterminds" behind the attacks!?!

Similar to an oxymoron... :-o

An oxymoronic paradox???

igwt

08-03-2005, 02:16 AM

BlueAngel wrote:

igwt wrote:

BlueAngel wrote:

So, what's the deal with Loftus?

Don't you love how they always refer to the "assets" inside military intelligence who work for them as the "masterminds" behind the attacks!?!

Similar to an oxymoron... :-o

An oxymoronic paradox???

LOL :lol:

08-03-2005, 06:52 AM

"It takes a heap of sense to write good nonsense."

~~Mark Twain

igwt

08-03-2005, 06:31 PM

BlueAngel wrote:
"It takes a heap of sense to write good nonsense."

~~Mark Twain

Touché

igwt

08-03-2005, 09:36 PM

Not what mum would recommend...

NEW YORK -- The suicide bombers cooked up their explosives using mundane items like hydrogen peroxide. They stored them in a fancy commercial refrigerator that was out of place in their grimy flat. And cell phones likely were used to set them off.

http://www.wnbc.com/news/4806577/detail.html

08-04-2005, 03:18 PM

"We know those same types of organizations that they're affiliated with are very much present in New York City," he said. "That's something we're studying very, very carefully. ... This could happen here."

They know they're present in New York City. Well, boys, go get 'em. What are you waiting for?

They are studying this very carefully????

This could happen here????

Oh, thanks for the warning/terrorist alert!!

So, you know the organizations are in your city and you know it could happen again in New York.

So, where are they if you know they are in your city? You must have some idea or are you just going to allow them to strike???

Please use the taxpayer's money and do your freakin' jobs!

This is a "war on terror," remember, and you must stop the terrorists in their tracks unless you want them to carry out their acts of violence little by little all over the world until we no longer feel safe anywhere.

igwt

08-07-2005, 02:41 AM

Sat Aug 6, 7:25 PM ET

LONDON (AFP) - Saudi officials alerted Britain several weeks before the deadly July 7 bombings in London that a terror attack was being planned, two Sunday newspapers reported.