A Passionate Plea by a good hearted person to Genesis World Energy.Posted on Sunday, October 05, 2003 @ 20:56:55 EDT by vlad

Anonymous writes: This is a plea by a good hearted person to Genesis World Energy.
Genesis World Energy,

If the information on your website is true then your company, in the near future, will totally change the world in what will seem like the blink of an eye. According to your website, hundreds of companies around the world are signing up to start mass producing your Edison Devices, HICEF's, and iGAS technologies. And soon they will start producing these devices.

But on the other hand you offer no proof or evidence to back up your statements. You offer no patents, technical papers, statements from other parties involved, testimonials from accredited individuals who have seen the devices at work, or any form of evidence that these devices are indeed "real".

Do I think your company is perpetuating a huge giant hoax? I don't know. There is NO evidence that you company is running a hoax. A few things do seem suspecious (and if you are telling the truth on your website you might even have good reason for these things), but there is no evidence. I sincerely hope that your company is telling the absolute truth! Because it would mean the world would be about to change in a great way! The energy crisis would be averted, we would no longer have any need for fossil fuels, and perhaps humanity would finally be in the position to truly enhance the human civilization.

But then again, there is no evidence that your company is NOT a hoax.

You see, we in the alternative energy field (both laymen and those that actually have done hands on research) have been burnt many times before by companies that make huge claims, but never back them up.

We have been played games with.

We have been manipulated.

We have been flat out LIED too.

We have been conned.

And this has been done to us over, and over, and over again!

We have been caught up so deeply in the hope of a truly alternative energy source that we want to at least give those who claim a breakthrough the benefit of the doubt.

However, everytime we have given that benefit of the doubt we have been burnt badly.

We are just good decent people who want a better world for others, ourselves, our family members and friends, and our decendents.

And an unlimited source of clean and cheap energy would at least be a huge leap in that direction.

We honestly are sick of so many nations fighting each other, killing each other, terrorizing each other, etc. There is so much curruption in all the governments on this planet it is impossible to know who are the good guys and who are the badguys.

But a clean and abundant energy source (like what your company has spoken about) would be a huge wakeup call for all humanity. It would tell the world, "Hey, here is the solution for all your energy needs. It is cheap, clean, and almost free. Now, why can't you realize that your all human and stop killing yourselves and start working together so that every human being on this planet can at least be FED!?"

Would the release of such a technology create a utopia? Of course not. The world is NEVER going to be perfect. But it would give the possibility of something *better*.

We simply are tired of having our hopes trashed by companies and individuals who are lying, playing games, conning, and manipulating others.

We simply want the TRUTH, and the evidence to back it up!

Many of us have become very cynical about the possibility of ever having such a technology. It has turned some individuals into diehard skeptics who trash, bash, and lie about companies such as yours. These individuals simply slander and attack anything that could represent a breakthrough. Now, don't get me wrong. I don't think these are really bad people. They are probably good people at heart and want good things for this world. But they have been burnt so badly they have lost the ability to have any small spark of faith or hope. They just don't want to see those of us who still have the ability to have faith and hope get hurt and even heartbroken yet again.

Now to get closer to the point of this message, if your website is truthful and all these technologies do exist and are so close to being produced then please throw us a bone of evidence. We need something to hold on too. Because if you don't then many of us may start to resent your company regardless if you are telling the truth or not.

Why would we resent your company if you are about to release a technology that could change the world? Because even though you may be telling the truth, you are playing a game with us! You are putting individuals who would LOVE to support and spread the word about your company in a horrible position.

Do you realize what it is like to try and give your company the benefit of the doubt while skeptics are attacking you, debunkers are slandering you, and we are being attacked ourselves when we have NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER THAT EVEN ONE OF YOUR DEVICES ARE REAL?!

There are individuals trying to dig up any little bit of information they can and twist it against you. But we can do nothing, because you have not given us anything to hold on to!

Many of us can understand if you can't give out full technical date on your devices. But there must be something you can do to verify that your technologies exist and are real.

But if you don't do something to help those of us who are trying so hard to defend your company then you will loose ALL your supporters both NOW and if/when the devices start being sold around the world.

Because if you don't want to back up your technology and give some kind of evidence, it would have been best for you not even to have a public website.

Please remember that those of us who have tried to support you are human beings with emotions and feelings. We have been through a LOT for many years and we have a lot of emotional scars.

We want to support you, we want to encourage others to support you, and we want to spread the word about the great things your company will be doing for the world.

But one thing we ask for you to NOT do is screw with us. We have been SCREWED too many times already.

This means,

If you are legit, then please release some evidence of this! If you would release even just enough to prove that others have tested your devices and they functioned as they were supposed too, then you would have our unwaivering support! However, please don't leave us defenseless! We need some evidence!

Otherwise, even if/when your devices are proven real, you will have many, many people resenting your company. We of course will be thankful that the technologies are benefitting the world, but we will always remember how you left us alone to the skeptics and debunkers.

If you are not legit, then please just end this sick game. For the record, I am NOT saying that your company has LIED, CONNED, MANIPULATED, or done anything wrong, unlawful, or illegal.

And I am NOT saying that your company "is" playing a sick game.

But "if" you company is NOT legit then you are hurting more people than you can realize. You are hurting good, decent, loving, and caring people who simply want a better world.

If your company is NOT legit, then please just end this game. You are making huge, fantastic, and amazing claims! You are given many people HOPE for a better world! If you are NOT telling the truth, then please shut down your website because you are only going to be breaking the hearts of many innocent people.

We have been hurt before time and time again. Please don't hurt us again, please?

Then again, if you company is telling the truth and have oooodles and ooodles of contacts already in place it is NOT going to hurt your business AT ALL to give out some evidence that your technology is real.

Yes, at FIRST I could see why *some* secrecy would be needed. There are evil dark forces at work who have suppressed devices before. But now there is no reason why you cannot release some evidence.

This world needs hope, and if you would release some evidence you would be given so many people HOPE for a better world.

What are you waiting for? When are you planning to release proof of your devices? Are you going to wait until the day the first Edison devices are shipped to Home Depot's and Walmart's around the world?

For goodness sakes, please don't wait that long! Just the knowledge that such a technology is ON THE WAY could do a LOT for the world! With that sort of HOPE a LOT of good could be done BEFORE the devices are even mass distributed.

What are you waiting for? Do you want one huge media blitz that will put GWE in the memory of all humankind forever? If that is the case, please realize that with a technology as significant as yours you will get ALL credit you deserve whether you give some proof now and start building a public awareness OR if it is all announced at once.

But by releasing some evidence NOW you will be giving HOPE to many, many people.

In conclusion, please make a decision. Many of us are growing very tired and frustrated. Because our hearts YEARN to believe in your company and technologies. But we are simply left hanging without any evidence. Of course all we can do is wait and see what you decide. Because it is YOUR company and YOUR decision. And it is YOUR right to run it as YOU see fit.

But can you please give us a break, throw us a bone, and give us some scrap of evidence?

Because we would really appreciate it.

Thank you for all of your hard work, efforts, and the energy you have put into your project. If it is real you are truly doing a great service for all humanity.

As you can see, I for one am doing my very best to mentally give you the benefit of the doubt. But can you please give some evidence so that we can do something other than just have blind faith in your company?

Again, please make a decision, and quickly. Not later, but now. And if you have decided not to give out any information until you can buy the devices at Walmart then please be HONEST and TELL US THAT NOW!

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Re: A Passionate Plea by a good hearted person to Genesis World Energy.(Score: 0)by Anonymous on Monday, October 06, 2003 @ 08:17:21 EDT

My hope has already been abandoned.

Re: A Passionate Plea by a good hearted person to Genesis World Energy.(Score: 1)by Technophile on Monday, October 06, 2003 @ 10:09:51 EDT(User Info | Send a Message)

Patience, Grasshopper.

You will not know for certain whether this is a hoax until next year when they have promised delivery of the first devices. So next June, go down to your local Home Depot, and all your questions will be answered one way or the other.

Re: A Passionate Plea by a good hearted person to Genesis World Energy.(Score: 1)by ElectroDynaCat on Monday, October 06, 2003 @ 10:17:42 EDT(User Info | Send a Message)

From reading GWE's publicity its difficult to discern whether they are claiming O/U or they have developed a much more efficient water electrolysis unit. I couldn't see any power input leads on their prototype, but hydrogen can still be generated by chemical means without electrical input. Still that means that the energy was generated somewhere else and stored as a metal plate in their device.Eventually that metal plate will revert back to its higher oxidation state and the energy to make the plate will have to be generated by some other means. If thats the case, its not an O/U device, just a storage battery that generates hydrogen. There's still the sticky problem of how to store hydrogen, a worthwhile field of investigation in any case.

In 2002, stock was sold by United Fuel Cell Technologies by Patrick Kelly, who told investors that they were buying ownership of the Edison Device. He also told investors that GWE was a front company responsible for marketing the device, but that UFCT owns it. For months after GWE first said that they were not looking for investors, Kelly was using their site to sell stock. They have been aware of this since late last year at latest, but refused to comment. No legitimate business would allow someone else to sell their equity. Or claim they don't have investors when they do. There is no honest ground inbetween.

You don't need to wait till December 2004 when you find out that the number of Edisons produced is one million per day less than current GWE estimates. It's been as plain as day since GWE first refused to comment on the sale of stock in the Edison.

Re: A Passionate Plea by a good hearted person to Genesis World Energy.(Score: 0)by Anonymous on Thursday, October 09, 2003 @ 16:48:42 EDT

I would like to send special thanks to Anthony Marchetti for providing some very much needed information about the GWE technology. I must admit, after falling for a hoax before (see the 'Burning Water' thread in the Devices forum), I had lost most of my faith in these claims.

If this is for real, which I sincerely hope, then I will anxiously await the release of the devices and pray that my automobiles qualify for the HICEF conversion.

If not.... well, no need to go down that road again as it is the only one I've been down so far.

As far as the voltage and amperage readings go related to the Edison gcells, during the startup, you can easily monitor both voltage and amperage going into the stacks. Each cell stabilized at slightly less at around 1.6v. It did not matter if only one gcell stack was fired up or three stacks were linked together and fired up at the same time, there was never more than 15amps drawn. During startup, the gcell stacks immediately begin consuming less voltage and amperage and when startup was complete, the batteries used to start the stacks are removed. Within five minutes after startup, the gcell stacks were producing 1.6v each on their own and the stacks were drawing ď0Ē amps. Again, the same post-startup "0" voltage and amperage inputs were observed, regardless of whether one stack was fired up, or if three stacks were linked together and fired up at the same time. I was allowed to observe several different well thought out tests that made it easy to understand that I was indeed observing what I thought I was observing, and validate unequivocally in my mind that the apparent observations were factual. Based on the data I personally collected and analyzed, it was apparent that the amount of amperage present in the gcells after startup represents less that one percent of the energy contained in the resulting gases. In my opinion, something very significant is going on in the gcells.

Actually, carbon can be used as a fuel process that converts water into free H2 (and CO). A Google search for "bingofuel" will turn up Naudin's demonstration of an H2 and CO powered ICE turning a generator that sends current through carbon rods in water to produce the gas it's burning. It can't be ruled out that Carbon is consumed without weighing it, but that's not the most obvious source of outside energy, the heavy "catalyst" coating that's consumed is. Hydrogen is not the most Oxygen loving element, and many metals will burn under water. If you didn't weigh the "catalyst" or check the precipitate, you don't know how much was consumed and you don't have any reason to suppose that it would last for 20 years.

Related to the ecells, we tested the system with a 10kw load for an extended period of time. If the coolant is turned off, the ecells stacks become very hot immediately. They would not allow the ecells to operate without coolant for more than a few seconds. However, with the coolant circulating at the above load, the coolant exiting the ecell stacks never exceed 205 degrees. I was told that was the optimum operating temperature. I wonít go into much more detail about this than to tell you that the heat from the ecells is recovered and used to improve the performance of the gcells. The less than one percent ratio I described above was calculated at this operating temperature. Lower operating temperatures reduce gcell performance somewhat, but I do not view that as problematic since the ecells consume much less gas when less amperage is generated. The water/gas exiting the gcells stayed consistently under 110 degrees.

Where is the heat venting off to? Check out the Edison device photos. There is no radiator shown or listed in the "parts not shown". Did you see an obvious radiator venting heat out of the box? I wonder why it's not in the pictures.

A Response By The Genesis Team(Score: 0)by Anonymous on Monday, October 20, 2003 @ 12:28:58 EDT

Dear ZPenergy Readers,

The Genesis Team appreciates your suggestions, questions and concerns. We hope you will grow to share our knowledge that security trumps revelation. A great deal of scientific research, thought, effort and energy, using valid and reliable principles of physics, engineering and chemistry, went into these technologies. We have carefully and thoroughly analyzed the issues we face and developed effective and efficient strategies that will best benefit mankind.

Re: A Passionate Plea by a good hearted person to Genesis World Energy.(Score: 0)by Anonymous on Thursday, October 23, 2003 @ 21:03:39 EDT

Do the research and understand that there is great need for a VERY care-filled process at this time. I am an approved licence applicant and have no 'proof of technology', BUT of course we will require that before we travel at our or GWE's expense to be a part of the next phase.
I am confident there is a real basis for this technology in existing patents that have entered the public domain. Some times it is needed to suspend the need to know and 'go with the flow' and I have decided that I must not give up my day job!! To manifest a scheme that will turn the existing status-quo and empower the general population is a task that requires the help of the divine heirarchy, so I ask the Ascended Masters to guide and assist us at this time we are confronting the darkest of forces within ourselves and the human animal.

Re: A Passionate Plea by a good hearted person to Genesis World Energy.(Score: 1)by daldal on Monday, January 16, 2006 @ 13:43:15 EST(User Info | Send a Message)

Now let me ask you this: Although they do not have the evidence to back up their claims, did you think once that people in this industry would steal the ideas of of the Edison Device? I bet the answer is no. Because people are so self centered about making money yet Genesis Scientific is doing this for the world, not for money. Sure it could have been a hoax and stuff like that but then why would people want to kill the inventor every single day if it werent. I bet you guys are shaking your head wondering why I am defending them, and to be honest, they do want to move forward and they want to save the world from its self distruction, but all we have to do is wait. Think of what they have to go through. The endless nagging and the misconceptions EVERY SINGLE HUMAN BEING has against them. The benifit of the doubt is all they need. But until they can get their feet off the ground, the evidence must stay hidden.