TSA: Be aware of security issues on mass transit

oh yes. I really really want them to do the dog and pony show with the busses in my city-the ones the homies ride. I want to watch them stop and enhance-ly patdown the umm....-'comtempory urban socially disadvantaged minorited youth.'
Oh yeah, just as good as the (real) donkey patdown show in the other thread.

I'm worried about this, especially because I don't believe they'll find themselves with lack of money. I still think the National Security State is the only growing sector of the economy. When you have a permanent state of war, you also have everything that goes along with that -- paranoia, fear, surveillance, money-making opportunities for the "security" industry. And jobs, jobs, jobs. For Your Safety, of course. $8 billion a year for the TSA, while the rest of the economy is circling the drain, isn't considered too much by our overlords.

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The problem for TSA with roads, trains, transit systems, etc. is that they can't establish the chokepoints that they get with aircraft. I think there are about 2,000 security lanes at the public airports in the country -- something like that anyway. But in any case, it's a limited number, and through that limited number must flow the 700 million air passengers per year. Ground transportation isn't the same way. TSA already has been a joke (ref. Honolulu) when it comes to screening luggage, so there really isn't anyway they can claim to have the aircraft situation in hand.

What I see with TSA is the zombies infesting bridges and ferries on the chokepoint theory.

Why is it that every time Pistole or one of his cronies testifies and it doesn't go as well as expected, TSA/DHS announces another non-specific threat? Every single time there's a hearing, there's another "BOLO for terrorwists!" announcement.

Ridiculous. We've already had TSA at the Columbus transfer point downtown; I dare them to start patting us down. The homies aren't going to go for that, I assure you, TSA.

Why is it that every time Pistole or one of his cronies testifies and it doesn't go as well as expected, TSA/DHS announces another non-specific threat? Every single time there's a hearing, there's another "BOLO for terrorwists!" announcement.

Ridiculous. We've already had TSA at the Columbus transfer point downtown; I dare them to start patting us down. The homies aren't going to go for that, I assure you, TSA.

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I don't know about that. Frankly, the poor are used to being abused by the powers-that-be. Terry stop-and-frisks don't happen to people like me or my husband or most of the people at TUG. They happen routinely to blacks and Hispanics in cities, to poor whites in more rural areas.

However, there's a difference between a "frisk" and a grope down, if TSA were to institute airport-like gropes in bus stations. One homey's girl getting felt up by a TSA agent would not end well.

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Exactly. After 11 years in this city, 6 of which I spent working on the criminal side of the legal profession, many minorities know what can and will be done to them. It doesn't make it right, but there is a certain amount of knowledge within the community. And a full-out airport-style grope under the guise of a TSA "administrative search" is not going to end well at the corner of Broad and High for the mere act of trying to catch the No. 10 back to the east or west side of town. We don't get it at our courthouses, and we sure aren't going to take it at a bus stop. It's already pretty hostile when the driver demands certain documents to use the discount fare cards!

Nope I know a few that would shank or bust a cap in a smurf at the drop of the hat. I'd love to see TSA pull this in oak cliff or south Dallas there would be smurfs dead in the streets and not a soul is gonna help or see a thing even in the middle of the day.

Working in gang territory you get a whole new perspective on things. Then again most true gangbangers won't touch EMS personal as they know they are there to help not cause trouble. I've even seen members post up around the ambulance not letting anyone near it while the crew were tending to a members mother.

TSA wins at airport because people aren't on their home turf, they may have a higher commitment to travel than on a day-to-day basis, and they are surrounded by other people who just want to get through security. Outside of the airport, these factors are reversed, and it would be difficult for the zombies to enforce compliance.

I don't know about that. Frankly, the poor are used to being abused by the powers-that-be. Terry stop-and-frisks don't happen to people like me or my husband or most of the people at TUG. They happen routinely to blacks and Hispanics in cities, to poor whites in more rural areas.

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That will change as whites in the U.S. edge towards minority status, which is only about 30 years away. "White America" is history. Minority births started outnumbering white births in 2010. Reconquista is coming, along with large numbers of blacks & Arabs thrown in as a bonus.

The transition will occur sooner in urban areas. The minorities' own interest groups (along with the ACLU) should be taking as stand to stop discriminatory abuse at local transit hubs. Hispanics especially seem to be targeted for this by current practices.

AGITPROP/TSA: HELP!!! We're all gonna die on the bus! HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!​

AGITPROP/TSA has been in full swing the last 4 days littering CyberSpace & local media with four "news" items, including these two.

They started with a general mass-transit ScaryGram on Thursday and then honed in to focus specifically on bus transportation for Friday & the weekend. This propaganda crap is just all over the place -- picked up by dozens & dozens of news outlets.

By Monday every bus passenger in the country will be begging VIPR for a grope to make them feel safe.

The other two massive AGITPROP/TSA themes dealt with scanners at Portland, Anchorage & Austin. Will post separately on that. The Portland piece included another one of their Fabulous Fibs.

I don't want to get too political here, but if you look at what took to open up just one street in Portland, Oregon against Occupy Portland, you get some idea of what it would be like for TSA to try to expand outside the airport to ground transport as a general matter. For example:
1) Local agencies and local elected officials are involved, so there's none of this BS with call Washington.
2) Officers are real police, not TSA wannabes, more professional, and TSA can't even begin to replace them with a few air marshals.
3) Lots of media coverage (abuses can't be hidden)
4) Citizens have ready access to cell phones etc. to summon others.
5) Overall there is a perception that the citizen is far more powerful on the street, even in the face of threats of tear gas, etc., than at the airport.
6) Maybe this overlaps a bit, but the street allows for combined action and general morale boasting songs, chants, etc.

Limited circumstances such as the Savannah train station incident might be carried out, but even that generated a huge mess and hasn't been replicated by the zombies. Certainly nothing like the Savannah business could ever be done in the open, the closest they come are the highway checkpoints within 100 miles of the southern border, and even then we don't see TSA-style gropes.

They've been ramping up unspecified threats since August in anticipation of 9/11, and have just continued it on through the holidays.

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Well, of course, there were all those attacks on American targets in May after OBL was killed, umm, in September on the anniversary of 9/11 (TM), ahh, I mean in October after Anwar al-Awlaki was killed, oh, well, it still might happen someday...

Well, of course, there were all those attacks on American targets in May after OBL was killed, umm, in September on the anniversary of 9/11 (TM), ahh, I mean in October after Anwar al-Awlaki was killed, oh, well, it still might happen someday...

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It's because of increased security that they didn't happen, so we need increased security. If anything had happened, we'd need increased security. Either way, increased security (or the pretense of it) is the answer.

It's because of increased security that they didn't happen, so we need increased security. If anything had happened, we'd need increased security. Either way, increased security (or the pretense of it) is the answer.

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So basically we become one-of-those countries that half the population is employed to watch the other half...