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11-19-2012 04:22 PM

Tom888

Hey guys, I'd actually like to go back ontopic and ask something: How do you think I would cope with a Kirschental based on what I told you about myself?? I know what you think about my attitude toward prices but please answer seriously lol

11-19-2012 03:46 PM

Tom888

Quote:

Originally Posted by robk

You cannot commoditize a German Shepherd dog. They are too complex of a breed.

You should not... but most certainly can: history proved us that you can commoditize even human beings, and it is sad.

11-19-2012 03:03 PM

robk

You cannot commoditize a German Shepherd dog. They are too complex of a breed.

11-19-2012 02:37 PM

Tom888

Quote:

Originally Posted by robk

You don't have to have an economics lesson to buy a good dog. Just decide what you want and start researching breeders that breed that kind of dog. Eventually you will decide on the breeder you want your dog to come from and the price will either be secondary or not an issue at all.

Well I suppose the last couple of posts were absolutely not about buying a dog but totally off topic

11-19-2012 02:35 PM

robk

You don't have to have an economics lesson to buy a good dog. Just decide what you want and start researching breeders that breed that kind of dog. Eventually you will decide on the breeder you want your dog to come from and the price will either be secondary or not an issue at all.

11-19-2012 02:01 PM

Tom888

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom888

from a systems point of view they are the ones who make the market effective, which is again unbelieveably cynical.

Well actually, going further, after the number of "brokers" join this market it would lower the buy prices for US customers and offer higher sell prices for breeders closing the gap between the price difference due to competition between brokers, this is what it means "they would make the market more effective. It's still hopelessly cynical but at the end everybody wins

...at least in this case and at the end, when what the brokers are doing is not arbitrage anymore due to broker competition and the closing price gap

It seems to work but I still don't like it too much

11-19-2012 01:51 PM

Tom888

Quote:

Originally Posted by carmspack

This "basically sellers are always exploiting buyers and buyers are always exploiting sellers, this creates an equilibrium called the current price" is totally cynical and most definitely not how I view the people I deal with - in any transaction. Ever.

so this part of the discussion on the economics paints a picture of brokers going around to this disadvantaged group of breeders , paying them a pittance, doing some "stuff" or not, with what they have scooped and then re-selling for big profit to a hungry US (foreign) market which is in the believe that Czech or Slovak dogs have some immunity to the ills of the breed - which they do not .

It is cynical... but this is how our world works, I wish it would be a different way...

The part about the brokers: from what I've seen here so far I guess most of the exported dogs are sold without brokers being involved but indeed I can see the opportunity for middlemen to arbitrageing the s$%^t out of both the sellers and the buyers. Funny thing is, from a systems point of view they are the ones who make the market effective, which is again unbelieveably cynical.

I did not invent this system nor do I like it.

11-19-2012 01:42 PM

Tom888

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sunflowers

Well... you could always move to Cuba

"Democracy is the worst form of government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time"

Churchill

Have to agree and the same is most likely true about capitalism. I believe I understand it at least better than average and I see it faulty by design, just take a look at its 19th century's pure form... but so far it indeed might the best option. My opinion is that we should find a new system, something that has not failed yet (not like communism or similar BS that should remain in the trashbin of history). Well this will not happen without a painful collapse, another system failing, this time capitalism so I don't really know what to wish for, whats the least worst..

11-19-2012 01:38 PM

carmspack

This "basically sellers are always exploiting buyers and buyers are always exploiting sellers, this creates an equilibrium called the current price" is totally cynical and most definitely not how I view the people I deal with - in any transaction. Ever.

so this part of the discussion on the economics paints a picture of brokers going around to this disadvantaged group of breeders , paying them a pittance, doing some "stuff" or not, with what they have scooped and then re-selling for big profit to a hungry US (foreign) market which is in the believe that Czech or Slovak dogs have some immunity to the ills of the breed - which they do not .

11-19-2012 01:29 PM

Sunflowers

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom888

To be honest I do not like how the system, capitalism and markets work... but one thing is for sure: you have to play according to its rules whether you want or not. It's not sellers/buyers failure but a system fault...

Well... you could always move to Cuba

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