EDIT2: ok, I was digging up my old books and thought this through all over again. After I realized again (I do every time I think about the theory of relativity) that Einsten was the biggest genius ever, I'm also pretty certain they fucked up something, because there is no way that anything could go faster than c, period.

EDIT3: still thinking about this: is it possible that c simply != the speed of light? That would mean special relativity still holds right?

Unfortunately, there is no material object or any kind of real information that travels faster than light in quantum entanglement.
A good analogy on what happens in QE is like this: suppose you have two balls, one black and one white, and two boxes. You blindfold yourself and put each ball in a box (not knowing which goes where). These two boxes will be your "entangled" system. Then you carry one box to the edge of the Universe, billions of light years away, while leaving another one at your home. Then you open box at your home and find black ball inside - and immediately with that fact you obtain information about far edge of the Universe that the box there will contain white ball, even though actual experimental test result there would take billions of years to reach you.

It is somewhat different to that though in that when you open your box you could find either ball in it and until it's opened it potentially contains both. The information is not predetermined as it is in your analogy, there is no analogy that really makes sense.

Yes I was thinking the same, that somehow, vacuum is not as pure nothingness as they thought when they measured the speed of light (dark matter of wtf else), so it would be a little bit faster in real wacuum. But this would still mean huge implications all over physics if it's true.

It doesn't destroy anyone's work, relativistic theories will continue to work almost perfectly as they did before (just like Newton's mechanics still works in its area). It only means that it's not a complete theory and there will be a substantially new theory that will encompass relativity and classical mechanics.
It will destroy only fundamentality of principles used to build relativistic mechanics, i.e. they will become just nice approximations instead of primary laws of physics.

My favourite thing about this is reading all the comments from random people saying shit like "It sounds to me like they haven't accounted for the change in the direction of wind" or something retarded as if some scientist is going to read it and go "oh fuck shit yeah we forgot about that fundamental unrelated principle you just hammered out there cheers m8 case closed"

Well in the defence of the trivial error argument I think the difference is about 12 metres between how far light and the neutrinos would have traveled in that time, which does seem to suggest a measurement error.

I have a strong feeling this is some kind of experimental error, but if its not I would tend to think there are more than 4 dimensions, and these neutrinos are taking a wormhole through these extra dimensions to cut short their trip.

At least one other experiment has seen a similar effect before, albeit with a much lower confidence level. In 2007, the Main Injector Neutrino Oscillation Search (MINOS) experiment in Minnesota saw neutrinos from the particle-physics facility Fermilab in Illinois arriving slightly ahead of schedule. At the time, the MINOS team downplayed the result, in part because there was too much uncertainty in the detector's exact position to be sure of its significance, says Jenny Thomas, a spokeswoman for the experiment.

Still, can't wait for this to be confirmed. If true, this could be huge.

Our politicians in the last century went to war on the side of Germany because they wanted to correct the stupid, immature and fucktard peace treaties of the first world war, when Austria brought us into the a war and we paid the price for pretty much everything (another proof we had the most stupid politicians ever existed on this planet).

But we also did many great thing in the last 1000+ years for Europe, I'm not here to say that we have a merit or not, but on the other hand what did you do? Seriously, what the fuck did you do?

I know it's sound really stupid to say such thing about the EB, but that's wrong (in my opinion) because those things were electronic computers "only".
The first true programmable digital computer (what we are still somewhat "using" up to date) was designed and built by this hungarian fellow (with the help of others ofc, but he was the leader mind behind it):

Neumann János(there was an austrien law forced on our country about jews must use german surnames.. that's why we have so many german names in our history)

"described a computer architecture in which the data and the program are both stored in the computer's memory in the same address space. This architecture is to this day the basis of modern computer design, unlike the earliest computers that were 'programmed' by altering the electronic circuitry."

I wont deny that Hungarian researches had a notable impact on all the items on your list, but they didn't invent the airship nor the diesel engine nor the electric motor for example. Contributions to science - yes, inventions - no (ok I don't know about all items on this list).

There are many questionable inventions what some hungarians like to claim to our nation (like the helicopter), historians still argue about these claims but I paid great attention not to list any of them.

You can't say things like "only contributions to science" about real fundamental inventions just because they are not something new, with that kind of logic you could recall all the nobel prizes in mathematics just because they didn't invent numbers. (after all, I guess you are using a ballpoint-pen every day too, just like the rest of the world does)

And I didn't even list people like Semmelweis Ignác the pioneer of antiseptic procedures, the "savior of mothers" by no doubt, before him, 10%–35% (!!!) of the people were died in hospitals, and the fatality was especially high among mothers giving birth.

You can't say things like "only contributions to science" about real fundamental inventions just because they are not something new

First, I didn't say "only" contributions. Second, if real fundamental inventions aren't something new, what is? And back to the start, how is this an indicator for culture at all? Schwarz had to build his airship in Russia because he was lacking support in his country, Ferenc did most of his important work outside of Hungary and Einstein was forced out of Germany by a population full of nationalistic scum. Its about great individuals, not about culture in many cases.

First, I didn't say "only"
Yes the addition of the "only" was a translation/grammar thing, sorry about my English, but I think it didn't change the meaning of your words.

"how is this an indicator for culture at all"
It was a reply to a bad troll attempt at #32, and I would generally agree with you but not this time. There was something about the hungarian language reform and the reform of the education system in the XIX-XX century, what produced an insane amount of geniuses in our country, (it's a real phenomena accepted by scientist around the world and there are many books about this), so it was a cultural thing indeed and not some lucky gifted individuals. (just like how Germany produced an insane amount of awesome philosophers once -my favorite subject/interest field btw - but Germany was always super-great in all sciences anyways:]).

"if real fundamental inventions aren't something new, what is?"
Again, Laszlo Biro didn't invet the ink or the pen itself, but the whole world using the ballpoint-pen every day. That's an awesome invention imo, but still just something what's based upon/refined other inventions.

But you are sadly right, we have a bad tradition to drive away and hate out everybody from this country who was considered a valuable person later in history. The great and smart "real" hungarians of the present are always convince the rest of the country about who are right and who should be considered as a good person and who should be exiled because he is the enemy of the state and a stupid fuck also.
I think only Szentgyorgyi Albert got his Nobel prize because of his work done in Hungary and all the others are did their research somewhere else in emigration. And more to this there are some who awarded with a nobel pize but especially requested not to be considered as a hungarian ever (and they are listed as romanians or americans indeed), because of the hatred what they received here.
There is a saying here that if you want to achieve something in life, you must grow up here and leave for good, because you won't achieve anything in this country ever (I hope it's not true, but according to history it is:/).

Bolyai's version was the most complette compared to Lobachevsky's version what only contained hyperbolic geometry, and because of the lack of proving documents, there is an argument about if Gauss actually did work out the full math required or not.

Gauss, on reading the Appendix, wrote to a friend saying "I regard this young geometer Bolyai as a genius of the first order".

The appendix he published to his fathers's textbook of mathematics solved 2000 years old math problems and recent findings shows he pretty much wrote down the relativity hundred years before Einstein, just physics was way behind that time to back up his math (btw, Einstein were studying the Appendix a lot before he published his work on relativity, but I would never say anything like Bolyai came up with the theory of course! Einstein was the genius who had the mind to visualize and assemble the whole thing like no one else could)

yea, Tesla owns big time:D He was a true genius indeed, (and btw, he didn't like Edison and politics, two more serious reasons to like him:])

I found this quote: Altough not precisely depicted, attributed qoute was dated in 1936, and is said to be an response to birthday telegrame of an Yougoslav politician from Croatia... Full quote supossedly says: "As many as I'm proud of my Croatian homeland and Serbian origin, the way you politicians act in (Kingdom of) Yougoslavia I'll have nothing to return to..."

bah I'm still playing at anywhere between 119-300 from Kuwait depending on the day,
but once my routing was magically perfect and I got 65ms for like 20mins seemed like they
rerouted to fix something ( shit ISP ) but this has shown me that <65ms is possible from
Kuwait and Arabian Gulf countries.

It is and sometimes you can fix it by phoning them (rarely) but let's not forget that there are often cables/routers etc that need to be fixed or replaced or w/e so they do have a valid excuse (sometimes).

I still feel that they're really not making a big effort most of the time though.

You have no idea how bad the ISPs we have here are, and if I phone them they don't do shit, and I've heard of people being mocked by the arseholes who take their calls in my country for saying something is wrong.

That's bad:( , perhaps you can get other gamers with the same ISP to phone them as well about the broken route to this and this servers.
It's usually takes a certain amount of complaints before they stop circle-jerking each other and focus on some problems.

Add up some money and hire a gorgeous bitch who would "convince" the ISP admin?
There must be a way:D

edit: I just read that there are no international fiber-optic backbone going through your country, if that's the case, it all comes down to money, because high-speed p2p exchange with the best providers costs more for your ISP than the shitty cheaper routes. Perhaps there is a different provider with a better routing?

Ya I just worked out that it would be around 50 ping between australia and europe if 100% of the speed of light was used. That would be so awesome. We can then be like starcraft and have bearable games overseas then.

I don't know who historically said it first, but from invariance of interval it follows that there is maximum speed at which signals (including matter) can travel. So it's a necessary law in Einstein's theory.

ah I see what you mean, I am kinda bad with the whole particle theories side of the science, I can grasp what this article is trying to say and kinda how it works but I lack the knowledge to combine everything in my mind :D

It's already 'happened' a few times with photons, only to be later proved wrong. Even though the current model of Physics is most probably wrong, or at least needs some serious tweaking, this experiment isn't all that.

They measured over a 730km distance with a 2.2 millisecond error; making it only 0.00025% 'faster than the speed of light' which isn't too much.

My guess is that they've measured the wrong part of the neutrino. They've already been shown to have wave behavior in the MINOS experiments, if the initial detector measures the 'tail' of a wave and the end detector measures the head, it could explain the difference.

However if it is right, it could solve the problem of neutrinos disappearing mid-flight which would be decent.

As I said - from point of view of current theories.
And relativity is extremely sensitive to that principle of constant speed of light (which eventually implies inability to exceed speed of light). You can't just slightly modify relativity to allow for faster than light speeds, you have to completely break it and introduce entirely new principles. So that "speed of light" limit makes sense only in relativity, and if it turns out to be untrue, then there will simply be no such thing as "breaking speed of light barrier" because theory will be formulated in terms that are not including concept of speed of light at all.

"Speed" is equals to the distance divided by the time. The units of the distance and the untis of the time are both different for differently moving observers, but the speed of the light are always the same for everybody.
This maximum speed is not there because scientist defined it, but because there are no possible transformations what could change the norm of the four velocities defining spacetime (X,Y,Z and time). When the photon is moving in our universe the vector on the Time axis is zero, so it can "maximize out" on the X,Y,Z axises all the way, ergo it moves through space as fast as possible.

Yet I'm the one with the bafta, own businesses while you're the one whining like a little bitch and trying to free his ego at the expense of the person who quite clearly knocked it for six to begin with with whatever unescapable truth you resent me for.

Stupid people can have success as well, what word i used as opposite is not really that relevant. I did in fact realise i hadn't chosen very wisely right after i posted it, but i didn't want to edit tbh.
But if i should also be so nitpicky.. binary has only two states meaning there is no such thing as "slightly more binary".

I wasn't taking it seriously. I just found it curious as to what exactly was the point of listing form of success to his reply. I was guessing that was your attempt at disapproving his point.

wow to think for even one second that scientists truly understand anything about the universe is so full of hubris it hurts my stomach to read the fucking words your ignorant redneck ass types

einstein was a fuckin loon and came up with his theories on a half-shattered mind. it won't be long until someone can either complete his theories or prove them wrong - and this is the first step towards that.

good sir, I couldn't help but to notice that you come from the great country of united states of america. that of all things you could object to, you choose to object to science and theory of relativity is, to put it mildly, interesting.

"All of my investigations seem to point to the conclusion that they are small particles, each carrying so small a charge that we are justified in calling them neutrons. They move with great velocity, exceeding that of light."

It will approaches perfection more and more as our science advances, but I don't think we will ever have the holy grail of physics in our hands, there will be always new problems to solve, new phenomena to understand, and new discoveries to refine our theories. Even in December 5, 304054.... if we survive that long:)