Church ( sound like council of RPC speaks for “One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church) open to partnership to work together in term of ecological issue.

- take parts in ecological forums, conference, meeting and introduce all partys with “church eco experience” of solving such issues.- give valuation of social economical projects which effecting condition of “living nature” and “environment”. - run united projects in coalition with govermantal, social and international organisation.- actively develop participation at social and scientific activities at international, national and regional levels. - take part at development, discussion and execution of informational and educational projects, law and regulation which related to ecology issues.

Why CHURCH should be doing this??? Do we have no thing to care about any more?

Who pay for it? Price for this utopia is not cheap... or Russian patriarchate planing to get peace of slice for "eco pie speculation" form international and national "eco rip off"?

It is not sound good at all. Eco-politics speculation is not religious issue.

So all such utopiacal speculation are discrediting orthodoxy.

So which Orthodox church do you think is the right one?

any orthodox people in Russian Federation are technically an orthodox. and of course no one perfect apart of Christ. Such documents should be not Church concern. it is begot corruption and speculation. It is threatening key fundamental values of Church.

It is not sound good at all. Eco-politics speculation is not religious issue.

So all such utopiacal speculation are discrediting orthodoxy.

Well, recently in Alaska there have been some big problems with the Native people and their land. They use the land to hunt and fish, it is how they survive so far out from cities.

I think an Orthodox priest there has been encouraging people to become involved in preserving these Orthodox people's livelihoods. It was the Russians who converted them after all. But he is working with various people to see how things can be helped so everything doesn't die out, like all the fish and so forth.

The article did make the point that it isn't nature worship, but respecting and caring for God's creation.

And, of course our Patriarch Bartholomew has been discussing this for quite some time.

any orthodox people in Russian Federation are technically an orthodox. and of course no one perfect apart of Christ. Such documents should be not Church concern. it is begot corruption and speculation. It is threatening key fundamental values of Church.

It is not sound good at all. Eco-politics speculation is not religious issue.

So all such utopiacal speculation are discrediting orthodoxy.

Well, recently in Alaska there have been some big problems with the Native people and their land. They use the land to hunt and fish, it is how they survive so far out from cities.

I think an Orthodox priest there has been encouraging people to become involved in preserving these Orthodox people's livelihoods. It was the Russians who converted them after all. But he is working with various people to see how things can be helped so everything doesn't die out, like all the fish and so forth.

It is not sound good at all. Eco-politics speculation is not religious issue.

So all such utopiacal speculation are discrediting orthodoxy.

Well, recently in Alaska there have been some big problems with the Native people and their land. They use the land to hunt and fish, it is how they survive so far out from cities.

I think an Orthodox priest there has been encouraging people to become involved in preserving these Orthodox people's livelihoods. It was the Russians who converted them after all. But he is working with various people to see how things can be helped so everything doesn't die out, like all the fish and so forth.

The article did make the point that it isn't nature worship, but respecting and caring for God's creation.

And, of course our Patriarch Bartholomew has been discussing this for quite some time.

If we don't have a planet, I guess the games up.

It is not religious issues.We always have "social problems" . it is historical fact.

any orthodox people in Russian Federation are technically an orthodox. and of course no one perfect apart of Christ. Such documents should be not Church concern. it is begot corruption and speculation. It is threatening key fundamental values of Church.

What are the key values that are being threatened?

for what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world and loses his own soul?

for what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world and loses his own soul?

I fail to see how trying to be a good steward and custodian of God's creation will adversely affect one's salvation. "Gaining the world" does not mean "taking good care of it".

It is speculation. Man is not earth steward.You are wrong. Our life goal not to look after earth and turn it in paradise. It is utopia, you promote.

my guess some one misleads about Christianity you and presents wrong value. ... blind leads blind....

I am not misled about the faith I have practiced for fifty years.

Being a good steward of what God has creation means using it and looking after it for everyone's benefit, as God commanded Adam and Eve to do. "Gaining the world" means acquiring material wealth, power and possessions, without regard for others. It is this grab for the things of the world, and placing them above what is good for one's soul, which Christ so clearly warns against.

for what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world and loses his own soul?

I fail to see how trying to be a good steward and custodian of God's creation will adversely affect one's salvation. "Gaining the world" does not mean "taking good care of it".

It is speculation. Man is not earth steward.You are wrong. Our life goal not to look after earth and turn it in paradise. It is utopia, you promote.

my guess some one misleads you about Christianity and presents wrong value. ... blind leads blind....

I am not misled about the faith I have practiced for fifty years.

Being a good steward of what God has creation means using it and looking after it for everyone's benefit, as God commanded Adam and Eve to do. "Gaining the world" means acquiring material wealth, power and possessions, without regard for others. It is this grab for the things of the world, and placing them above what is good for one's soul, which Christ so clearly warns against.

1. fifty years - warranty of quality? - speculation. 2. then you start speculation about Adam life goals. 3. Gaining world including build "better life" - improve it etc..... of course to be wealthy - is not sin... promote wealthy life style as godly - is. of course richness is not sin.... but every one ignoring why, so hard for wealthy man enter heavenly kingdom....

you may keep lie to yourself, but you cant make Christ look fool, no even Holy Fathers.

Orthodoxy never promote "build better life on the earth", it is what mormons and other heretics do.

And with "eco programmes" is worse .... no one know what reality is , but every one play smart about.... and it is outrageous if some bishops start speculation about.

Every one sick of "eco lies" , and now РПЦ start play this games too.... ugly.

Guess РПЦ "eco programme" orientated to full people like you.... well it work then.

for what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world and loses his own soul?

I fail to see how trying to be a good steward and custodian of God's creation will adversely affect one's salvation. "Gaining the world" does not mean "taking good care of it".

It is speculation. Man is not earth steward.You are wrong. Our life goal not to look after earth and turn it in paradise. It is utopia, you promote.

my guess some one misleads about Christianity you and presents wrong value. ... blind leads blind....

I think you need to read genesis.

"Keep your mind in hell and do not despair" - it is sound to you like "take care about earth and turn it into paradise"?

You haven't even unerstood what we are talking about.

Nobody is trying to turn the world into a paradise. That's what you are thinking. Taking care of the earth is not about creating a Utopia. It is about protecting what God has created from being destroyed.

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for what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world and loses his own soul?

I fail to see how trying to be a good steward and custodian of God's creation will adversely affect one's salvation. "Gaining the world" does not mean "taking good care of it".

It is speculation. Man is not earth steward.You are wrong. Our life goal not to look after earth and turn it in paradise. It is utopia, you promote.

my guess some one misleads about Christianity you and presents wrong value. ... blind leads blind....

I think you need to read genesis.

"Keep your mind in hell and do not despair" - it is sound to you like "take care about earth and turn it into paradise"?

You haven't even unerstood what we are talking about.

Nobody is trying to turn the world into a paradise. That's what you are thinking. Taking care of the earth is not about creating a Utopia. It is about protecting what God has created from being destroyed.

now you play "god"... pathetic... sound like you reach personal hollynes, get write off your sins, be came lustless, and have no thing to do any more just to battle:- global oil company, - factory, - transportation industry, - military industry - etc.

to preserve "nature" as it is key role of Church and main goal of Christianity.... ... and CO2 taxation, population decreasing plans and other such scheme is also part of "nature saving/preserving/protecting plan" developed in cooperation with patriarchate.

some one have fun by decoration highway to hell with extra useless road signs to make sure drivers have "safe trip"....

It is not sound good at all. Eco-politics speculation is not religious issue.

So all such utopiacal speculation are discrediting orthodoxy.

Well, recently in Alaska there have been some big problems with the Native people and their land. They use the land to hunt and fish, it is how they survive so far out from cities.

I think an Orthodox priest there has been encouraging people to become involved in preserving these Orthodox people's livelihoods. It was the Russians who converted them after all. But he is working with various people to see how things can be helped so everything doesn't die out, like all the fish and so forth.

The article did make the point that it isn't nature worship, but respecting and caring for God's creation.

And, of course our Patriarch Bartholomew has been discussing this for quite some time.

If we don't have a planet, I guess the games up.

It is not religious issues.We always have "social problems" . it is historical fact.

Key orthodox value is not about save planet , but save yourself.

What makes you think that working out one's salvation is no longer part of the Russian Orthodox church? Part of that key Orthodox value is assuming that one has a body in which one can work out his or her salvation. People have to eat in order to live, in order to repent, etc.

So, is it your point of view that an Orthodox Christian has no obligation to wisely shepherd our planet's resources and the path to one's own salvation is the church's only proper role?

If we callously squander our natural resources how are we to feed the hungry? Absent clean air and water how are we to care for the sick? In Genesis, man is given dominion over the natural world. Are we to be selfish, callous and indifferent masters of our own domain? Should we follow the slothful servant as we manage the 'talents' given to us by God?

I think not.

You come here and accuse those who disagree with you as heretics or followers of the antichrist. I think you have a lot of nerve. To you I humbly suggest: "Physician, heal thyself."

So, is it your point of view that an Orthodox Christian has no obligation to wisely shepherd our planet's resources and the path to one's own salvation is the church's only proper role?

Do you have enough bread for today? give thanks to God. or not for you Jesus say "should not care about tomorrow" (M.6:34)?

What РПЦ do, it is : by starting care about weird and speculative eco programme for earth and social comfort, drop care about real christian value. Would earth stay for ever? or not God looking after and tell us to take care about our heart illness?

Lord say about such people "you have not faith" .... what is could be more worse then stop looking "UP" and redirect focus to "dust" (and pig go back to mud). and you try to not encourage it but make Orthodox people respect such madness as "OBLIGATION" ....

If we callously squander our natural resources how are we to feed the hungry? Absent clean air and water how are we to care for the sick? In Genesis, man is given dominion over the natural world. Are we to be selfish, callous and indifferent masters of our own domain? Should we follow the slothful servant as we manage the 'talents' given to us by God?

I think not.

- natural resources- feed the hungry- clean air and water- care for the sick

You care? lie and speculation. It is not in your hands even to care about yourself, but care about air, water, natural resources...

you dreaming....

" bird do not crop but Heavenly Father feed them." or "Our daily bread give us this day".... sound like you never heard about....

Sure, every have own basic domestic duty even in monastery.... accountant , cook, gardner, builder etc ... so what? but no one speculate on it as "key christian value"...

I see little point in continuing this discussion as I view the OP' s responses as being non-responsive to my questions. Perhaps all that we have here is a problem with conceptual translation, but I'm really not sure. In any event, I'm done with this topic.

I see little point in continuing this discussion as I view the OP' s responses as being non-responsive to my questions. Perhaps all that we have here is a problem with conceptual translation, but I'm really not sure. In any event, I'm done with this topic.

of course , especially if you speculating on biblical text and presents Church mission as "wisely shepherd our planet's resources".

Obey Godly Guideline about keeping created world (G2:15), and care about spiritual and physical well-being of man, РПЦ , respect as obligation to continue take part at ecological issues discussion , and co-working at this field with every one who concern about environmental condition, thinking about health and "normal" life of people.

let see what it is in reality:

G2:15 And the Lord God took the man whom he had formed, and placed him in the garden of Delight, to cultivate and keep it.

G3: 18 And to Adam he said: …… cursed is the earth in your labours, in pain shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life. 19 Thorns and thistles shall it bring forth to thee, and thou shalt eat the herb of the field. 20 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat thy bread until thou return to the earth out of which thou wast taken, for earth thou art and to earth thou shalt return.

G3: 24 So the Lord God sent him forth out of the garden of Delight to cultivate the ground out of which he was taken.

SO...... what way we can KEEP "Garden of Delight" (G2:15) , if we was KICKED OUT OF THERE? - G2:24

Shell we respect lucifer as an angel too? he was created as archangel, so shell we dispute fact of his fall just same as РПЦ dispite fakt we not in the "Garden of Delight" any more?

Russian archbishops are so uneducated ? or they never read the doduments they sign?

It is not sound good at all. Eco-politics speculation is not religious issue.

So all such utopiacal speculation are discrediting orthodoxy.

Well, recently in Alaska there have been some big problems with the Native people and their land. They use the land to hunt and fish, it is how they survive so far out from cities.

I think an Orthodox priest there has been encouraging people to become involved in preserving these Orthodox people's livelihoods. It was the Russians who converted them after all. But he is working with various people to see how things can be helped so everything doesn't die out, like all the fish and so forth.

The article did make the point that it isn't nature worship, but respecting and caring for God's creation.

And, of course our Patriarch Bartholomew has been discussing this for quite some time.

If we don't have a planet, I guess the games up.

It is not religious issues.We always have "social problems" . it is historical fact.

Key orthodox value is not about save planet , but save yourself.

Ah. Here you are wrong.

The key Orthodox Value, as you put it, is to put "self" last, not first.

You seem to misunderstand Orthodox teachings.

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