If America was an even more unbearable place to live, and trust me, I don't think that idea is too far fetched. Where is a good place to raise your kids? Few minorities, expensive to live, rich country, good benefits, good salary? Which European country offers the most for a man, his wife, and his children? The number one thing I would look for is QUALITY education. The best public schools if not a fair private school. France? Germany? England? Help me out.

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Yes, I'm not married, and I don't have kids, but I intend to.

Second of all, the minorities comment is slight racism on my part, true, but stop assaulting me for a simple preference I have. If you could wouldn't you want to live in a place where your ethnic group had more influence? I'm not all for white flight, and I love all the people of the world but I just prefer to make friends and talk to people who come from the same background as me who I can identify with. I've roomed with various cultures, and trust me, I should probably hate asians so much with all the shit that pissed me off, but it made me more tolerant but I still think a white person with a Russian background and the same old school upbringing would be able to relate most to me and I to them.

I don't hate minorities but if I had a choice, I'd live on the minority-less rich side of town than the equally rich minority side of town.

Kerry has a robotic personality when he's in front of a camera. Can't get elected like that. Being an anti-war liberal from Massachusetts (despite being a decorated veteran) didn't help him outside of the northeast.

He's good at international diplomacy and has gotten on flights to pretty much every dangerous with no real expectation of safety. Can't criticize his foreign policy credentials as a senator.

You aren't a man, you are not married, you have no children, and you will probably die without stepping outside the U.S. However I do agree, you are in desperate need of education and medical attention.

I'm not sure what you are looking for is an ideal place to raise kids. Few minorities? Rich and expensive? Good salary?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying you should raise your kids in Uganda, but to me it sounds like you value material things too highly and what's up with not wanting minorities around? I take it you are fed up with crime and stuff?

I'm not sure but Finland has very little immigration, they speak english well and they have a lot of saunas. Almost all european countries these days have a more or less rightwing extremist party and Finland is no different. They are actually quite influencal over there. So I'd go with Finland.

If I had to chose personally, I would leave Sweden and go to Norway or Germany. I'm not sure about education but my bet would be Germany or France perhaps. Definitely not Sweden, education here is complete shite and the minister in charge sucks hardcore.

Steer clear of places like Russia, Belarus, Greece, Italy south of Rome, large parts of former Yugoslavia. Places like Latvia, Lithuania and Austria I would look up better before making a decision.

Certain European countries offer more support if you're a citizen and in the lower 1/2, maybe even 2/3rds, of the income bracket. It's not uniform and different countries have different drawbacks, particularly if you aren't fluent in the native language. If you make over 50k / yr you have to pay US taxes on top of local taxes anyway.

The US generally has stronger anti-discrimination laws. Age, disability, national origin, etc. In some countries like Spain it's not possible to declare personal bankruptcy to deal with housing debt insolvency, etc. Europe has better healthcare for half the population, but given the option I'd rather have Blue Cross & Blue Shield insurance in the US. Higher education is cheaper in Europe as it's tax-subsidized, but liberal arts colleges and the top 100 or so doctoral schools are probably better in general for those who attend. A 4th year of undergraduate liberal arts education goes a long way towards making people more well rounded.

There are a lot of other small differences, most of them aren't really a big deal.

Honestly, any scandi/western country would be ok. Bottom line, it's mostly down to your personal preference. As an american, you'd probably have the easiest time in the UK, they seem to de-retardify their politics lately, cutting themselves off of the EU clusterfuck so that's an added bonus. Though you'll be forced to mingle with those nasty minorities. If you don't want any minorites polluting your neighbourhood, go central/eastern europe (you can meet many famous quakers that way as well!). Fuck, if you're hardcore, you can even move to Russia. If you're not a pussy you can actually make a great living there.

Personally, i'd move countries long term, i'd go Sweden. They clearly didn't have their fill of poles just yet. c:

For you, a lifeless troll festing on esr I'd say anything is good, the slums of the uk or fralgeria. But a honest answer is Norway or Switzerland, case closed. They are mountain high over the EU countries, they will never join if its up to the citizens living there. From that you can asume they are smarter than the avarage, for not letting their politicians make them jump into a pile of shit that is the Union. Besides they would be negative payer (more to give, and less to get from the union). Denmark isn't a bad decision if you are a paranoid xenophobe, shivering from minorities:)

You, my good sir, can stay at my place for free. As long as you don't judge my life and complain about the general state of my appartment. I only clean up when it's close to becoming hazardous to ones health <:

I don't really know well, so i might be mistaking, in that case , i apologize;
but i have heard that in places like Norway the policy is very very sinister (and very very leftly), for example they force the male kids at school to practice crochet.....!!!! for the lies of the equality between genders or whatsoever......
so, searching for quality education, i will stay away, and i feel sorry for the poor kids (males and females) of these "mentally open" countries.

Yeap, a lot of pseudo science being preached as the word of God up here. We got rid of the pestilent celestial dictator known from the Bible but we put a lot of more recently dreamt up idiocy in his place :(

definitely not what i'm talking about......
i'm not talking about pseudo-sciences or whatsoever, just the opinions of how to grow up the childs.... in norway, they force the males to act like females, and vice versa, in the name of the democracy, the gender rights, and the people's imposed rights and s**t like these things.

There are a lot of pseudo-science around the whole "we are all exactly the same"-movement. Those intellectual feces trickle down from think tanks to schools and kindergardens. We are talking about the same thing :)

I really liked eastern europe, if you have money you can go there and start some businesses and stuff. England is ok if you are into that sort of thing. I wouldn't go Scandinavia. Italy was a bit weird, but I will probably go back at some point. But really... Germany.

If you don't mind living just down the road from poverty Cape Town is awesome, most sunlight in the world, great beaches, everything is cheap, chicks are hot, people are friendly, it's an A.

hong kong has 2% tax unless you earn more than US$5000/month, then its 7-8%. their property prices are a joke though =(

i was thinking of returnin to uk (still might) until i saw that £2200/month only means you have like £1600 cos of all the taxation fucking you over. even pay rise doesnt equate too much since 31% of it is taken away.

now ill either work HK or back to UK for 2-3 years; wanting £1700/month in HK or £2200/month in UK. The difference between the 2? in UK (even when living with my dad) i could save £600/month; in HK i could save around £900/month -_

edit: looking at that quality of life thing its sections are pretty shit. for starters it doesnt list HK

I would go at your place in Switzerland or Germany. But I would never go in Scandinavian countries. Not saying that there is bad place for education etc, its probably the best. But what kills me there is that cold ass fuck winter. If you go in Germany and if you really love hot weather and sea then is from there a piece of cake to go on vacations to sea (Greece, Croatia, Turkey, Spain,..) Besides, as a gamer you would have everywhere in Europe good / decent ping :P

You will hardly find such a country. If you want to not have your family sustaining "foreign" cultural damage you have to choose some isolate place, like northern Finland or Syberia, but the problem is that those places have poor educational system, for evident reasons.
I observed that you said something about money not being a problem, if this is the case I think that you can isolate your family from too much bad influence -isolation at some certain decent degree, of course -let your kids make parties at home, hire people to buy common goods, etc.
Regarding their education, hire specialized people to offer them special education give them piano lessons and hire professors to teach them mathematics, literature at home and take care in general for them to be involved in classic arts and to have educated people around, but do not exaggerate -don't rise the standards so high that they will make their living difficult, like pretending them to become what you failed or you did not try, like asking them to become successful actors or music stars. In offering them a good education continuity is most required. And if your artistic enterprises are not out of the ordinary you should change things now -you cannot teach your kids what you don't know, without teaching them a tough lesson about credibility -most educated people I know are sons of writers, professors, artists.

Switzerland is fine and dandy until you realize that all you do is work your ass off, you get paid exceptionally well, but you also spend a lot.

Was working there in a hospital for 3 years until I couldn't bare it anymore, want a kid, fuck that, ain't nobody got time for that there, fucked over to Feldkirch, Austria for an equal pay and about 50% more free time and a lot less expenses.

its not fucked up like the rest of civilized world, its not old and dying as Europe. got all its best years in front of it, not left beyond. i live in Moscow and i'm good at it, but if i decide to live somewhere else it would be Canada for sure. To my mind it combines the best from all over the world - picturesque nature from Russia, Europe's elegancy, USA possibilities.

Why not move to northern California then? Weed has been effectively legalized there. And since California's climate is more conducive to growing it, I would imagine the quality is on par if not better than...

That's the excuse they use... but really how does the entire population in these northern towns of medical issues so they can smoke weed? It's basically just a flawed system at this point. I think anyone can just go into a walk-in clinic there and get a "prescription".

I miss santa monica\malibu and menlo park. Maybe boston way too. You are in the best country already stay there.

Just get rid of the millions of dodgy south Americans and keep the muslims out, and you will be ok. Also keep one eye open for puertoricans and Yo mammas, especially in Brooklyn, LA and large parts of the South East.

I will retire there or Australia, so dont fuck it up for me.
Canada and Alaska along with the two poles are also on the list depending on how rich I am.

I'm looking into moving abroad in a few years and currently I'm looking at Switzerland and Norway after recommendations from collegues and friends that have already done the move.

They're quite similar countries once you start comparing them. The impression so far is that Norway has a slightly better public education system while Switzerland offers way better salaries (at least within Business Intelligence), even more spectacular nature and you actually get four seasons instead of the dull and dark climate you get up here in Sweden and Norway where the summer usually tends to be rainy, cloudy and dissapointing. Still, it would take next to no effort to adapt to Norwegian and I know that the working atmosphere in Norway can be very relaxed. Unfortunately I don't know how Switzerland compares on that matter.

Most of europe is over run by immigrants, someone seems to have this hideous idea that every country should lose its national identity and embarace everyone elses culture at the expense of thier own because someone in europe wants europe to become a super power and it can only do that when there is no distinction in identities between countries.

It all sounds very german when you think of it like that...

The damage has already been done and will only be undone with civil war, which trust me, will happen within the next 100 years in europe and probably a lot sooner.

You are best off where you, maybe canada or australia.

I would not move anywhere else, unless I was willing to change my life totally and experience somewhere like china, japan.

Two ways possible:
1. We accept the evolution of mankind -mostly due to technological improvement like the ever-simpler possibility to travel around the world, which makes it impossible to stop the ultimate mixture of all 'different' types of origins- until all of our descendants have become white skinned asian negroids. This 'mixing' is happening already on a major scale.
Afterwards we'll be experiencing the benefits of a worldwide democracy, without suffering the 'mutual contradictions' of different nations. All we need to do is accept all the bumps in the road of time, like a few major wars, leading to this situation,

or

2. We close our borders to anyone we deem unworthy of joining our exemplary and generous society until we have reached the ultimate western goal, whatever that is, and afterwards we try to turn the current events of the weaker trying to join the stronger, by taking the world and make the strongest survive. This 'taking the world' is happening already on a major scale.
Afterwards we'll be experiencing the benefits of a worldwide democracy, without suffering the 'mutual contradictions' of different nations. All we need to do is accept all the bumps in the road of time, like a few major wars, leading to this situation,

Truly, I do not know which of both ways is best.

Unless the terminators take over. Then we're gonna be fragged like sitting ducks. Until I grab my railgun. Then I'll save all the nice people. And then, when Adriana Lima and I are finally the last ones alive, imma create an all new superior race 'n stuff.

And I know the inventor of the terminators will not go by the name Msumbo Habibi Mugambe. And also I know Albert Einstein wouldn't have been happy when the borders would have been closed.

Until I can create my own beautiful race, I'd like to be able to play QuakeLive. But some primitive software has banned me for reasons I'm breaking my even more primitive head about nowadays.

I'm not too big on immigration either, and I would prefer if it was regulated more carefully than it is right now (and I would NEVER leave my third world backwater country to live in western europe), but I can't help but notice the wailing bigotry and a smudge of eugenics here.
Your post is all about "earning" the immigrants' right to be in europe. May I ask, by what right did YOU EARN to live in Europe?
All those blacks/arabs came from poverty stricken countries, seeking a better life. If you were by any chance born in Algeria you would sell your ass to get to Paris or Nice w/e.

I know a good country!
Maybe you should come here.
Because I really like it here.
I think it's the Netherlands where I am.
What's that smell... Someone smokin' weed? Can't be.
They also have pink elephants with blond hair and red swimsuits here.
Mostly.

Of all the European places I saw the Netherlands was my favorite. Do weed is good the hash made me trip but the prostitutes almost made me nauseous. Considering they won't let people who don't live there permanently use the weed anymore I probably wouldn't go back. Unless that is you can walk through walls and get the prostitutes for free then its a different story

I've recently moved to Switzerland to work as a software engineer. If you have any kind of tech skills you'll be in high demand here. I'm a native Englishman who speaks German fluently, has pretty decent French and a degree in Computer Engineering, and I found there were more opportunities for me here than back at home.

I can't comment on the education system since I was educated in the UK and I don't have any kids to send to school here. But the general quality of life is leaps and bounds ahead of anything I'd expected before moving (currently back in the UK to visit family atm and the contrast between life here and there is surprisingly great).

I don't have kids, but I think switzerland would be a great place to raise them.

I think if you plan to live in any metropolis in a European country, you're going to encounter minorities regardless, even in countries like Norway or Finland which have a homogenous population.

Staying in America is a better choice education-wise, because the country still houses many of the best post-secondary schools in the world. Why else are foreigners constantly enrolling in our universities even though they have to pay double or triple the tuition fees? Also, I think you are placing too much stock on primary education.

To get what you want overall, you just need a good job. If you and your spouse can make it to the mid-upper/upper class bracket, then you can move to a neighborhood which will undoubtedly be more homogenized. Even in a diverse country like America, you can live in neighborhoods like this, since cities in that country are still heavily segregated due to the lasting after-effect of housing discrimination.

I think if you want to live in Europe, you should have better reasons. Something like you appreciate the kind of values and culture that they have, etc. You need to justify the difficulties that you will face in order to earn what you could more easily get in your own home country. Think about it. Unless your job cannot be easily occupied by a local there, then you're going to be competing against them and at a disadvantage (culturally and linguistically) as well.

I have to say that I find it odd that you want to move to a European country, partly to avoid minorities. Like someone else here said in this thread, don't you realize that you yourself will become a minority? In a homogenous country, you will be more easily seen as an outsider and thus open to differential treatment.

What good is a fantastic salary if you are in Finland and in winter its pitch black but you love the sun, warmth etc.? What good is Hong Kong if you hate busy places?

Obviously these examples are one-sided. If you love the cold and have no issues with little daylight, then yes, maybe Finland is the place for you.

All I am saying is, people should stop picking countries based on the merits you mentioned and more in terms of activities and surroundings they could enjoy (nature, people, hobbies, culture, hobbies etc). This will make you happier and more content in the long run, which in turn helps you and your family.

If all you live for is reproducing and giving your children a "good education" while growing up in a white supremacist neighbourhood, living the suburban middle class dream, then gtfo :) /sarcasm off

By the way, even in the countries fulfilling some of your criteria you will find a lot of foreigners. In Switzerland, around 1995, I would say about 1/4 of the kids in my class consisted of immigrants or kids with an immigrant background. It did not matter to me much, even in hindsight.

urbanisation sucks ... never would want to live in hong kong or any other megacity, hell even wouldnt want to live in a 100k town ... fucking air full of fumes of cars, everywhere you see streets, houses, other people, dont want to see this shit, in cities you often live in flats etc. where everyone can look into your window and everyone wants to put roller shutters down (and I lived in some bigger cities already, one of them is Berlin) .... small villages up to 25k, thats good for me ... if I wanna see some sights somewhere, I just drive there, if you work in these places full of sights, you dont have time for sight seeing them anyway ...you know I like outdoors sports, like biking or running, its just the best for your health, most people nowadays do indoors sports, gym, fitness courses, fight courses, dancing, etc., it just fucks your health up .... I never been to scandinavian countries so far, but I dont want to live in a very cold country where it is often dark, you cant go cycling there ... cant enjoy running ... outdoors sports are just not so much fun in freezing temperatures ...

I feel the same way except I sitll live in a big city (Vienna). But what I hate just as much is the small-mindedness many small places exhibit. Everyone knows everyone else, no outsider, OMG look he did not maw his lawn etc... I hate that even more than busy places, or cold places :)

i am pretty sure there wont be much places better than america since its the only standing worlds superpower, unless some really terrible world war crisis is going to happen, in which case i dont think anyone would survive anyways. europe as romantic as it sounds is americas pet on a leash and no matter how much you try at the end of the day what america decides will be. and the worlds resources again i am pretty sure are concentrated in america, with other countries getting second and third and so on, you simply cant argue with the biggest army in the world so, whatever romantic sugar coated stories i hear i realize its all just pink glasses bs. america might be not perfect, but simply from survival perspective i am pretty sure its the least oppresive place to live as all other countries are pretty much regulated from outside in one way or the other, and that leads to even more bs laws. ofc there are exceptions but on a global scale if you take entire populations in mind and not personal stories i am pretty sure whatever empire is the strongest on earth would always be the best place to live as there wont be any wars as long as its the number country.

nope, china doesnt have much bases outside the country, i dont think they would be capable for anything much other than defending their own land, as far as longterm planning i dont see china having any strong muscle to see its own developement into more than a few decades, communism pretty much is the dead end for any country that wants long term survival.