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Re: Jay Gruden Bengals next OC?

Re: Jay Gruden Bengals next OC?

It just fits perfectly. Mike Brown hires less competent family members of someone with actual talent (see Paul Brown's family, Jordan Palmer) so naturally Jay Gruden, with his wealth of AFL and UFL head coaching experience is a natural fit!

Re: Jay Gruden Bengals next OC?

Originally Posted by freestyle55

It just fits perfectly. Mike Brown hires less competent family members of someone with actual talent (see Paul Brown's family, Jordan Palmer) so naturally Jay Gruden, with his wealth of AFL and UFL head coaching experience is a natural fit!

Re: Jay Gruden Bengals next OC?

Originally Posted by freestyle55

It just fits perfectly. Mike Brown hires less competent family members of someone with actual talent (see Paul Brown's family, Jordan Palmer) so naturally Jay Gruden, with his wealth of AFL and UFL head coaching experience is a natural fit!

Exactly what I thought when I first heard this.

"I talked to an advance scout that told me if Joey Votto and Albert Pujols were on the same team he'd advise his team to do the unthinkable...pitch around Votto to get to Pujols." - Buster Olney, ESPN

Re: Jay Gruden Bengals next OC?

I've been told the guy is crazy, in the Mike Zimmer mold. Maybe it will be good to bring that type of mentality to the offensive side of the ball.

"In our sundown perambulations of late, through the outer parts of Brooklyn, we have observed several parties of youngsters playing 'base', a certain game of ball. Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our close rooms, the game of ball is glorious"
-Walt Whitman

Re: Jay Gruden Bengals next OC?

Originally Posted by wolfboy

Dave Shula anyone?

Not even close. Jay Gruden has former head coaching experience (it may be Arena League, but the skillset required to manage assistants coaches, players, and team affairs is all the same), worked on his brother's staff on the Bucs team that went to the Super Bowl (actually working both gigs -- NFL and AFL -- at the same time), and was a pretty damn good quarterback in his own right (actually "un-retired" and went from coaching to become his team's starting QB for the Orlando Predators). Shula's resume was crap, by comparison.

I like the hire a lot. His brother got on my nerves as Tampa's head coach (with his bipolar treatment of his starting QBs and seeming lack of any long-term plan for the franchise), but the offense was always professional.

Re: Jay Gruden Bengals next OC?

Originally Posted by Caveat Emperor

Not even close. Jay Gruden has former head coaching experience (it may be Arena League, but the skillset required to manage assistants coaches, players, and team affairs is all the same), worked on his brother's staff on the Bucs team that went to the Super Bowl (actually working both gigs -- NFL and AFL -- at the same time), and was a pretty damn good quarterback in his own right (actually "un-retired" and went from coaching to become his team's starting QB for the Orlando Predators). Shula's resume was crap, by comparison.

I like the hire a lot. His brother got on my nerves as Tampa's head coach (with his bipolar treatment of his starting QBs and seeming lack of any long-term plan for the franchise), but the offense was always professional.

Carson Palmer should be thrilled today.

I was hoping Childress would get the job. I think there is a benefit to having former head coaches on your staff. They can help and critique you with game management issues that people who haven't been the decision maker can't. Its easy for a fan to sit back and say "he should never have done it" but in the heat of the moment the decision is much more complex and having someone who has been there before can help.

That said I like the Gruden hire. He may not be the tradition hire but he had coached at many different levels. He coached both in Arena league football and traditional NFL style football the UFL. He also has experience being on Tampa's staff. It will be fun to see how he implements both forms of offense into his play calling.

Re: Jay Gruden Bengals next OC?

My gut is that I like this hire. He may not have NFL experience, but every coach has to start somewhere. The AFL and the UFL are not the same as the NFL, but he has been an assistant in the NFL.

My question is how much influence will he have on replacing some of the offensive coaches? And will he be enough to placate Carson Palmer and convince Benson to re-sign?

For his sake he better hope he can convince Palmer to stay. While Palmer isn't a world beater (I would trade him for a nice package) he still top half QB in the NFL. Without Palmer the Bengals are in trouble and starring Andrew Luck in the face next season.

Don't really get all the love for Benson. He had a nice run with the Bengals but I am not opening up the pocket books for him. I wonder how much tread he has left on his tires and would be content going with Scott + another RB.

Re: Jay Gruden Bengals next OC?

Originally Posted by Caveat Emperor

Not even close. Jay Gruden has former head coaching experience (it may be Arena League, but the skillset required to manage assistants coaches, players, and team affairs is all the same), worked on his brother's staff on the Bucs team that went to the Super Bowl (actually working both gigs -- NFL and AFL -- at the same time), and was a pretty damn good quarterback in his own right (actually "un-retired" and went from coaching to become his team's starting QB for the Orlando Predators). Shula's resume was crap, by comparison.

I like the hire a lot. His brother got on my nerves as Tampa's head coach (with his bipolar treatment of his starting QBs and seeming lack of any long-term plan for the franchise), but the offense was always professional.

Carson Palmer should be thrilled today.

I wasn't comparing him to Shula. Just naming another less famous family member hired by the Bengals.

Re: Jay Gruden Bengals next OC?

Originally Posted by bucksfan2

For his sake he better hope he can convince Palmer to stay. While Palmer isn't a world beater (I would trade him for a nice package) he still top half QB in the NFL. Without Palmer the Bengals are in trouble and starring Andrew Luck in the face next season.

Don't really get all the love for Benson. He had a nice run with the Bengals but I am not opening up the pocket books for him. I wonder how much tread he has left on his tires and would be content going with Scott + another RB.

If there were a way to ensure the Bengals would be staring Andrew Luck in the face next season, I'd be all over it. I'd trade Palmer and bring on LeFevour in a second if it lead to Luck next year.

Knowing the Bengals, they'll tank the season but win just enough meaningless games at the end to lose out on Luck.

Re: Jay Gruden Bengals next OC?

From what I've read he seems like a good coach.

I like this better than hiring a retread who has failed in other jobs. We'll see. The next season really depends on Carson coming back, if he does I think they can be competitive. If he doesn't then they are a couple years away minimum regardless of coaching.

We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.
--Oscar Wilde

Re: Jay Gruden Bengals next OC?

I like the hire. Childress was mentioned, but I'm not for his hiring as OC. He was a bad head coach in the NFL. Gruden at least was a championship caliber coach in the leagues he was in. It will be good to have a 'winning' mentality on the sidelines.

I admittedly did not watch a great deal of AFL programming, but the highlights were often face paced and high scoring. I hope he is able to bring that kind of offense to Cincinnati. If he can, I'm all for the hire. If he's Ced off tackle on 1st down over and over, then it doesn't matter.

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