Try to expain it in any other way than bitching since everybody was saying "Oh Forza is better" or "Oh Gran Turismo is better".
When the games come out the same year nobody is gonna be bitching about it for about 4 or 5 months which is enough.

Try to expain it in any other way than bitching since everybody was saying "Oh Forza is better" or "Oh Gran Turismo is better".
When the games come out the same year nobody is gonna be bitching about it for about 4 or 5 months which is enough.

How about this, instead of your constant obscene language.

If these games come out this year around roughly the same dates. Nobody will be COMPLAINING AND FIGHTING about it, for 4 or 5 months.
I mean seriously, do you really talk like this in RL?

For those wondering about premium & standard cars in GT6
"We won’t be making all the Standard cars from GT5 into Premium models, and we won’t make all of the GT5′s Standard cars fully “Premiumized”."
also there is this

If you read the whole news, he meant that some of the standard cars will have body mofication and it will be possible to take photos of them. So to make this even easier. Couple of cars from GT5 will be premium now and couple more will have body mods and ability to be used in photo mode.

From historic cars to the latest racing cars, the game contains a total of 1200 cars.
Multiple aerodynamic parts and custom wheels will be available for almost all cars.
Players can create their own personalised custom car in the game.
Cars will be continually added online
33 locations, 71 layouts

33 Locations and 71 layouts will be provided from day1 (7 more locations and 19 more layouts than GT5).
More new tracks will continue to be provided online
New Course Maker

Playstation
Smart Phone
Tablet
PC
At the same time as the PS3 version of GT6 the “Real Driving Simulator” launches, a mobile version and web application version of GT6, will be created to enjoy Gran Turismo’s massive community space.

Real/Virtual “Edge Effect” Activity

A variety of “Edge Effects”, the chemical reactions between the real world and the virtual world for which the Gran Turismo series is famous, are also planned for GT6. Exciting collaborations between various automotive manufacturers and collaborations with brands crossing different industries will be revealed gradually across the next six months.

Hopefully the car list won't contain 90 types of the same Honda NSX or Nissan Skyline, but judging by the amount of Nissans already in the game, this looks likely
Also great to see the Rocket in there, played that in PGR 4 and its a great car

There has been quite alot of gameplay videos from E3. You can look them up on gtplanet.net. Gameplay looks good & just so you know, tge sounds that you hear are not the final product. Kazunori had said in an interview that the sounds in the demo were just thrown in temporarily.

Also, in a recent development. Gamestop & Amazon are running their own pre order rewards for GT6. if you pre order from Gamestop, you get 20 cars right from the start, rather than waiting to unlock them. & one of the cars happens to be the new SRT Viper. If you pre order from Amazon, you get an extra 1,000,000 cr. to use from the start of the game. NOTE: All vehicles in Gamestop pre order pack will still be available in the game whether or not you pre ordered it from Gamestop.

I saw also BMW Z8, Pagani Huayra, Pagani Huayra, Ford GT40 Road Car, Ford Focus ST (not sure if blue one is a tuned version by GT), I saw that LOtus Europa Special\'71 which is also a premium car, Cizeta V16T (blue- same for Focus) which was converted for premium car, Shelby Cobra Daytona Coupe, Chevrolet Corvette C2 which is a premium Car and a Ferrari 250 Lusso.

I am currently uploading the new screenshots from Gamescom. I believe though that I have mispelled something on the Abarth 1500 Biposto. Just take out the first O.

Ok Just added the Abarth 1500 Biposto, Ford Focus ST, BMW 507, BMW Z8, Cizeta V16T, Fisker Karma, & the Pagani Huayra. There are many more to add & have images here: www.gtplanet.net/more-gt6-15th-anniversary-edition-details-pre-order-incentives/ but the cars shown are the Gamestop pre order cars. You can sdd them if you like as seperate vehicles but I am waiting for regular screenshots to appear.

Can someone add a downloadable content star next to all the cars with the custom 15th Anniversary livery? Those are only available as a Gamestop pre order.

Wrong, it's only because there is a 15th anniversary edition of GT6 (like a collector edition). Only 5 of those cars are from pre order but not only gamestop (there isn't gamestop here in France for example)

Wrong, it's only because there is a 15th anniversary edition of GT6 (like a collector edition). Only 5 of those cars are from pre order but not only gamestop (there isn't gamestop here in France for example)

The cars are part of an exclusice Gamestop pre order called the 15th Anniversay upgrade, meaning (If I understand correctly), you will get the 15th Anniversay edition by pre ordering your copy from Gamestop. I could be wrong though.

The cars are part of an exclusice Gamestop pre order called the 15th Anniversay upgrade, meaning (If I understand correctly), you will get the 15th Anniversay edition by pre ordering your copy from Gamestop. I could be wrong though.

no you don\"t understand. If you pre order on gamestop you had automatically the 15th anniversary edition of the game. It\'s just that and it\'s only for US. Here we have the 2 editions and it\'s from the official website: www.gran-turismo.com/fr/products/gt6/preorder/
GT6 15th Anniversary: 20 exclusives cars + 1000000 credits
Pre order of 15th Anniversary edition: 5 exclusives cars more
GT6 standard: no exclusive cars
Pre order of Standard edition: 5 exclusives cars + (5 exclusives cars to choose or 1000000 credits)

What are those vision cars? Are they going to fulfill the list of the premiums with some concepts instead of real cars that could use new life as premiums? C'mon this is GT not some futuristic racing game.

What are those vision cars? Are they going to fulfill the list of the premiums with some concepts instead of real cars that could use new life as premiums? C'mon this is GT not some futuristic racing game.

it's a collaboration beetween Polyphony and differents makes (15 at all). Polyphony ask them to do cars with the theme of a car for Gran Turismo. So the different brand wil do those cars and some will be real concept like Citroen or Red Bull in the past.

What are those vision cars? Are they going to fulfill the list of the premiums with some concepts instead of real cars that could use new life as premiums? C'mon this is GT not some futuristic racing game.

Yeah, I personally don't see the point in them either. At this rate I'm expecting we'll see hovercrafts in GT7.

Dunno 'bout you, but I certainly thought GT2 was leaps and bounds more exciting than GT1, as did GT4 in comparison to GT3, unless you really missed all those Formula cars. I mean hell, GT5 actually allowed you to damage and roll your car for the first time in the series and had vastly improved graphics. If anything, each installment has got more exciting since the first game.

I have to disagree. GT1 to GT4 were azaming games, but with GT5 they somehow made a mess. They always said they give the best or nothing (that was the reason for not adding damage until now) and look what they did. More than 5 years of development, millions spendt on it, to get 1000 cars, 800 of which were GT4 cars, just for the sake of saying "we have 1000 cars", that was a very bad decision, they should have erased everything and started from scratch, instead of adding cars from a previous gen game. It was weird. Black interior, horrible damage, limited customization...all cars should be the same. Rollovers? That was very needed, just like reverse lights, for example. How a big detail like that was ignored until now? I missed that for years.

They also screwed up sounds. Even in GT6 they are not updating them after all. Any true car fan knows a good sounding engine is a must, and they didn't hear that at PD. The worst thing is when they say sounds are good....no. Kaz said "we are doing research right now to generate the sounds in a completely different way"...why not recording the actual car? Making artificial noises is stupid honestly. The menus were a nightmare too, and the physics were not as good as they said (for some reason a lot of it was rewritten in GT6) The problem is that, they seem to be living on nostalgia, I don't care about the past. I've enjoyed this saga a lot, I've spent hours and hours on almost all GT games, but if the present and the future is not right, who cares about the past? It's sad to see GT6 with some of the big problems from GT5 carried on (standard cars and sounds mainly) so I hope GT7 finally fixes everything, this is not right for a game such as GT, and the name and the legacy is not an excuse to do things wrong. It should be a reason to do the best.

Of course I see all the things they added, and I like them a lot, but as we know, a mistake is twice the value of a thing done right, and that's why I feel GT5 and GT6 maybe in a less obvious way feel inconsinstent. They have things that make you say "whoa!" and then, things that make you say "oh...", feels like they took care of half the game and left the other half to be done or something. It's sad...

But hey, don't get me wrong. I really hope they fix all of this. Criticism like this is always meant to try the developer to see what people want and then doing what's neccesary, that's why I'm happy to finally start seeing people complaining about things in some webs (except when they just say everything is crap, I don't like that kind of opinion) if people don't ask for the best, they will not give the best.

(As you can see, I didn't even mentioned other games, so I hope people understands this is not about "other X game is better haha" but "this is GT and they should have known better".)

To me the main problem PD have is that when moving to the PS3, they didnt think to expand their company to cover the larger amount of work required, or even outsource it like some other companies, causing them to lag behind on getting things done. They should leave the modeling of Cars to someone else, and focus on what the comunity want in GT (Livery Editor, Better Sounds, Better AI, Better GT Mode as 5's wasnt good.) It's quite depressing to see this happen to my favorite childhood Racer ive supported so strongly over the years, but then again every other Game Series i had when i was young either doesnt exist or is a shadow of their former self now anyway.

Only thing that's disappointed me is they're doing the same thing as they did in GT5, lack of wide variety of cars like Forza has, however, if they're going to do DLC Car packs like GT5, then there's hope.

Only thing that's disappointed me is they're doing the same thing as they did in GT5, lack of wide variety of cars like Forza has, however, if they're going to do DLC Car packs like GT5, then there's hope.

DLC's each month for GT6.
Also people are complaining but there are so much new functions like permanent damage.
You have to go to GT Auto and fix the car manually.
Paint Shop, all cars are basically Premium. And something Forza doesn't have, it will have a good course maker, When playing through the carrer you will have Coffee Break events like "How fast can you knock down 300 cones". Each car will probably have RM.
Day/Night and weather cycle will be improved massively.

Nitrous was also in GT4! But I'm still waiting for the day when Porsche will be added in this game!

And there is a reason why Porsche can't be in Gran Turismo 6 and that is
because Electronic Arts currently owns the exclusive rights to Porsche and even
Turn 10 was blocked for using Porsches in Forza Motorsport 4, because
Electronic Arts currently owns the exclusive rights to Porsche.
Read this article here: ca.ign.com/articles/2011/08/25/ea-blocks-porsche-from-forza-4.

We were promised all these great vision concpets, and all of the companies released teasers, but since the mercedes one its gone all quiet, i wonder whats happening with them considering its been a while

yeah i hope that the car manufacturers didnt thought they just had to make sketches... But photos on Gran Turismo website make it look like "Mitsubishi Vision Gran Turismo" will be the next car to be released because they already created a real life model.

hey thats wrong with you guys? I am the only one making screenshots now Some help could be useful. i am already behind my schedule.

NOTE: The original version of this post implied the 2015 Focus ST would be in GT6. However, after reaching out to Polyphony Digital for confirmation, “there is no info about the new Focus ST coming to GT6 as of now,” and Ford’s announcement should not be taken as confirmation that the new car will be in the game.

"Tried"? And how many times is this gonna happen again? I'm tired of this cycle repeating itself every month. If one user can just jack the site whenever he feels like it why should I bother staying or uploading anything anymore?

Is it just me, or has the title been changed to \"You idiots have loaded up a hair-triggered double-barreled shit machine gun, Survival Horror\"?
If it gets changed before everyone has seen it, imgur.com/w39jfJ6

"Tried"? And how many times is this gonna happen again? I'm tired of this cycle repeating itself every month. If one user can just jack the site whenever he feels like it why should I bother staying or uploading anything anymore?

I got to agree with this. It's not only hard, but also tiring trying to fix all the damage after the attacks and the next one may happen every day. How many times we will be trying to fight or fix everything?

I got to agree with this. It's not only hard, but also tiring trying to fix all the damage after the attacks and the next one may happen every day. How many times we will be trying to fight or fix everything?

Clearly, i'm tired also. It's surely LCPDV (i can see the member who had edit this page had also see the old comments like Acura MDX on NFS Most Wanted). The problem is that each time i had to do something more and pass hours to search the problem. And a lot of time i don't see it. The paswword are crypted. He can't do nothing without an admin account. So clearly there is a problem with this account: as i see for the account, big suspicion about Racingfreak account. But i can't be sure. It could be mine.

Confirmation: it's the account of Racing Freak that had been hacked. The hacker had search his password (perhaps by using his old password, or a password relative to his old password, not by using the one crypted in database)

Erm i don't mean to come up as of rude, but really? those vision gran turismo cars are freaking ugly, & they are a waste of space, i think i only liked few, like the mercedes & the aston, the rest just looks weird & very chubby, would rather they spend their time on actual cars, i hope GT7 won't follow this

Again, i will do more photos in the future. Currently i am too busy to do it, because i am preparing to move to another town.

@Bond007Stig: Please stop ruining this page any further, it just makes me confused because when i see a car already has pictures, i usually ignore them. So if you upload wrong pictures from GT5, i wont give that car an update which would be bad.

I did recomend all premium Cars so nothing has changed between the 2 Games, apart from content. All they did was upload the archive to the next game no quality changes were made?

Regardless, the photos that you used are direct copies that are done by other people, and aren't yours. Your trying to take credit for photos taken from another entry in the franchise, which is not smart.

Yeah this page seriously needs attention, standard cars are still being added. I think someone should do the same as we do with Forza. One person handles everything but considering this is a huge game maybe it should be divided among 2 or more

Same thing in GT5. You aren't allowed to customize most cars. Honestly GT hasn't been the same since 4.

Yeah I agree , personally I liked gt and gt2 because u can turn your cars into race cars , GT4 had the loads of cars and used market it was awesome and amazing graphics. I find gt5 and gt6 are like DLC for gt4

Hopefully Gran Turismo 7 will not be this way. Go back to all cars being tunable, conversion to race cars, more like the Gran Turismo I liked. GT4 felt like an endurance racing season. GT5 felt like you were just collecting cars. GT6 was basically the same, but without the "Collect" feel.

Yes off course models get polished because it's just lazy to import ps2 models as they are,still I'm picky I won't get over 800 average cars when there is 300 gorgeous realistic models. They could simply delete the 30 GTRs and do one premium model of a GTR (r34) and yes you can put a wing and change wheels on all (I think) , but I just prefer older GT or Forza
Edit: also a lot of placeholders that need to be changed I would love to help but I don't own the game

Yes off course models get polished because it's just lazy to import ps2 models as they are,still I'm picky I won't get over 800 average cars when there is 300 gorgeous realistic models. They could simply delete the 30 GTRs and do one premium model of a GTR (r34) and yes you can put a wing and change wheels on all (I think) , but I just prefer older GT or Forza
Edit: also a lot of placeholders that need to be changed I would love to help but I don't own the game

What I was trying to say was that in GT5, that's literally what they did - ported 700 cars straight from Gran Turismo on PSP, which was totally inexcusable. In GT6, around 100 of those cars got updated with better models, which combined with a new selection of 300+ premium cars gave GT6 the car list it needed.

Regarding GT-Rs, there already is a premium R32, R33, R34 and 4 R35's (plus racecars for each) in addition to the many PSP-ported cars that were already in GT4.

And going back to that PS2-quality "Standard" Mini I have, it can be upgraded with a lot more than just wings and wheels:

Well it may sound that way, but what I meant was, Instead of buying racecars, we buy the base car and upgrade it. More In-Depth customization. Maybe even decals. And remember in GT4 you could swap rims from other cars? I liked that. (Diahatsu Midget with Dodge Ram wheels was hilarious) And the feel of GT4 was the best. The racing. The way it worked. GT5 was basically "Get all the cars!" And GT6 was basically the same.

I think the biggest problem with both GT5 and GT6 is the fact arcade mode doesn't allow you to drive the stock version of any car you've unlocked in the career. Because of that, I don't upgrade any of my cars, or I wouldn't be able to use the stock version anywhere. Admittedly though, I spent most of GT4 collecting cars as well.

I think the biggest problem with both GT5 and GT6 is the fact arcade mode doesn't allow you to drive the stock version of any car you've unlocked in the career. Because of that, I don't upgrade any of my cars, or I wouldn't be able to use the stock version anywhere. Admittedly though, I spent most of GT4 collecting cars as well.

I used to spend all GT4 time buying cars from the used market basically to unlock them in arcade and split screen mode (I played that game 3 yrs in a row) . I really liked how all cars were equal in GT4 and hated the new system on the PS3 ones. I was looking forward for GT7 (before I bought a next generation console) but when I heard the dev saying "he is PROUD to say that the standard-premium system will be used and they will do the best to stuff the game with cars" I completely lost interest in the game. Quality over quantity apparently polyphony forgot. Are the afraid to redo the models and lower the number of models and get bad rep like Forza 5, or are they just lazy. The new GTs feel passionless IMO they just want huge numbers to impress on the outside.

Seriously, any more comment about missing cars on this page and i would delete that comment. But i leave that to Rinspeed.

Anyone can contribute on this page and you are free to contribute stuff by yourself. Do you really think, a person who works on business days and also on every second weekend has time to upload this mass of cars in two weeks? I am also moving into another town next month and i have to prepare everything. My available time is less than before and even before i only rarely uploaded cars.

Seriously, any more comment about missing cars on this page and i would delete that comment. But i leave that to Rinspeed.

Anyone can contribute on this page and you are free to contribute stuff by yourself. Do you really think, a person who works on business days and also on every second weekend has time to upload this mass of cars in two weeks? I am also moving into another town next month and i have to prepare everything. My available time is less than before and even before i only rarely uploaded cars.

I was just pointing out that he doesn't need to point out which cars are missing because I'm pretty sure the people responsible of this page (you) already know that there is a considerable amount of this that need to be added. Sorry for the inconvenience

I already said I was going to to them and I did all the missing (apparently only the Toyota got accepted) , the person who did them almost all of them and they got accepted he could at least said that he was doing the cars and save me the trouble ........

Well, I've been grinding and gotten a bunch of missing cars. Now just the tedious task of photos (Geeting timing right on the replays/taking pics) exporting the pics to a USB, Putting them on my computer, and then actually submitting the cars. Although I enjoy doing it. Taking Photos is the real tedious part.

I stupidly deleted one of my cars' (Suzuki Alto regular) pics when viewing them, So that's great. Next time im gonna probably do the rest of the cars I have pics for. (About 20) so that's good. I feel like im being too slow.

Well after a bit of Christmas drama, I've sat down and done some more Gran Turismo cars! But this time I binge-bought Hondas.
Changelog:
Honda BEAT
Honda City
Hona Odyssey
Honda CRX
Honda Z Act
Honda Life Step Van
Honda Civic 78.
Honda Civic 83.
Honda N360.
Honda Fit.
Honda Insight 99.
Honda Insight 09.
Honda 1300 Coupe.
and a random Ford Ka.
I had more cars but they can wait. I'm burnt out from today and just want to watch YouTube and relax.

Generally people want to see what the cars are capable of, what kind of action you can get with them and what kind of competition they can smoke. That's the whole point of IGCD, to know what kind of cars you can find in a game and what to expect of them. Is it going to perform well? Did they do a faithful job of re-creating not only the looks of the car but the handling as well?

For that reason I show them in action, in real races either against the machine or against real people in the lobbies.

What would you learn from a Vee-Dub Beetle 1200 up against another Vee-Dub Beetle 1200 both parked up against a cute backdrop? Those photographs were taken in the seasonals, which the red Bug won. The yellow scoobies were two of the cars the Computer AI chose and the AI lost. From that photograph you can infer that a well driven Bug can take a couple of donkeys in Scoobies.

The jumping shots in Toscana I was showing what some air cooled cars are capable of. I made a room in the lobbies and in the second race in I figured it'd be a lot easier to photograph some of the other cars that people had brought rather than have one race per car.

You really want to see a fuzzy camera phone snapshot of someone's TV screen while Sébastien Loeb's C4 WRC is parked on a turntable still in the dealership? If that were the case you'd be better off scanning the real car's brochure material or link to their website.

Noko Tau, your pics are cool, but noway a beetle can keep up with an Impreza in stock form.
And yes, jumping pics are no way related to the purpose of IGCD. Remember this place is meant to list cars, not for showoffs. If you have your own gallery uploaded somewhere feel free to show it to us but please, take more relevant pictures for IGCD.

I never said the Beetle was stock, but its PP was still less than the Scoobies, otherwise it wouldn't have entered the race. Most of my tweeking was in the suspension anyway. Sometimes supple's superior, especially with lighter cars. Little more stiffness up front than in the back helps the chassis do what it's meant to do and heavier front brakes over rear really makes a difference. I do most my overtaking coming out the corners when stiffer cars have to brake too hard.

I'm keeping my customisation down to a bare minimum. I'm reverting back to stock colours and rims (unless rally rims are demanded by the races) which costs me money, but I'm prepared to do that.

Jump shots are epic, especially when Citroën rally cars are involved. Can you imagine how sad Sébastien Loeb's Citroën C4 WRC would look if it weren't airborne? He'd probably weep.

Tell you what, if y'all really prefer pretty pictures of languishing luxury lawn ornaments and cute curbside candy to actual driving cars, you produce 'em. I'll keep on taking shots of cars doing what cars were meant to do while inferring their relative performance. If your prepossessing postcard pinups are better, Rinspeed will replace mine with them.

An average of how much per race? I make an average of $1,000,000 + per race. But then I do the seasonals. I make sure every car I buy I change the oil and strengthen the chassis so I'm not faced with maintenance bills down the road. I play smart, not hard. There really is no excuse to have anything less than $45,000,000 after over two years worth of weekends.

Also to get the best performance out of any car you should be spending around $300,000 on suspension, brakes and performance. Suspension & brakes first, horsepower later.

I actually like your action shots, you put a lot of effort into taking the pictures. I'm not a fan of the jumping pictures with street cars on a rally track. I mean I get that those cars are capable of it, but some circuit action would in my opinion look better.

1,000,000 credits, not 10,000,000. And it ain't no secret. I've already told you. The expert seasonals get you that much per race if you have the 2 x bonus. Less than 50 races (or two weekends) should get you a full 50,000,000.

Currently I hover around that spending only enough to un-customise my cars for the photographs. Usually I just log in every night but I rarely play nowadays since there's been so few updates, not even the new VGT cars we've been promised.

I actually like your action shots, you put a lot of effort into taking the pictures. I'm not a fan of the jumping pictures with street cars on a rally track. I mean I get that those cars are capable of it, but some circuit action would in my opinion look better.

Thank you, although I prefer to see a car with it's suspension fully extended and nothing but it's shadow on the ground, but then I'm a Citroën enthusiast. Flying cars is kinda what we do.

After all his crying about that Beetle you uploaded, you still won't change it.
So he's going to try and add the same car with his own pictures and have yours deleted.
Let's just hope no admin is actually going to satisfy his silly wishes.

After all his crying about that Beetle you uploaded, you still won't change it.
So he's going to try and add the same car with his own pictures and have yours deleted.
Let's just hope no admin is actually going to satisfy his silly wishes.

His?!? From the way they were talking I honestly thought I was talking to a 'her'.

Not saying girls are any worse than guys when it comes to driving and cars, just the general tone sounds female to me.

My question is: do you think that IRL you'll be able to duel with an Impreza if driving an old Beetle?

I've left 'Pretzels' behind on local country roads in my old flat twin 2CV6 Dolly in the 90's, so yes. Like I said, there's enough numpties in real life too, those who depend on the cars performance rather than their own.

There's absolutely no reason to replace the Beetle pictures. And even if Burn Rubber thinks there's a rule on this site that prevents you from using "attemted humor in your shots. (I.E.., A VW Beetle outrunning an Impreza.)", this rule actually doesn't exist and wouldn't make any sense.

I've left 'Pretzels' behind on local country roads in my old flat twin 2CV6 Dolly in the 90's, so yes. Like I said, there's enough numpties in real life too, those who depend on the cars performance rather than their own.

Hey numptie-nazi, I don't know which drugs are you on but if you think that a Beetle and a WRX can battle having the same skilled drivers (read well because you seem to skip this point) you better stop using such substances. Yeah, seems like you have something about scoobies and his owners.

I'm just done. You could never outrun a Impreza with the Beetle either IRL or in game. But nooooo. Admins would rather use those shitty shots then my nice, Up to code shots. Logic... And the only woman I ink may be here is Maxine. The rest of us? Ifone of you is a girl ya had me fooled!

I'm just done. You could never outrun a Impreza with the Beetle either IRL or in game. But nooooo. Admins would rather use those shitty shots then my nice, Up to code shots. Logic... And the only woman I ink may be here is Maxine. The rest of us? Ifone of you is a girl ya had me fooled!

I love how admins replaced the Fiat 500 but not the Beetle. -_-

Now, let's shove aside that ridiculous "can Beetle beat an Impreza", because, to be frank, it all comes from different assumptions - the standard interpretation "can car X beat car Y" is "can car X beat car Y, given equal skill drivers, and a track which allows all aspects of car performance to play a role?". That's because it's the most useful and logical interpretation of that question. Obviously, under that interpretation, a Beetle stands no chance of competing with an Impreza at all. Noko Tau's interpretation is "can car X beat car Y under at least one set of conditions?". With that interpretation, a Beetle can beat a Subaru, for an instance if you place a novice driver in a Subaru and an expert driver in the Beetle and have them compete on an autocross course. Of course, this does not say much, other than that autocross favours skill more than car performance, and is thus not useful at all for comparing cars.

Now that that is explained, let's get to the picture.

I really do not see what the problem with the Beetle shot is. I mean, it could be better at depicting the side of the car, but other than that, it does its job. It shows the Beetle is in the game and makes it clear its focus is the Beetle. It also is at good technical quality (a.k.a. it's not taken with a cellphone camera). There is nothing else an igcd shot has to do. This means that yes, is does not have to depict car in action, it does not have to try to insert humor, but it really, really does not have to be a still shot. Changing that picture is not the top priority, honestly.

jackcossack, maybe the Beetle wasn't the best example of "how to not take a picture"
So, look at this one:www.igcd.net/vehicle.php?id=88942
Maybe is a better example of the argument.
If you have a fully working photomode you should take a picture of the related car, not a picture of 2 cars. If the car listed is 1, the picture must show 1 car, not 2.

jackcossack, maybe the Beetle wasn't the best example of "how to not take a picture"
So, look at this one:www.igcd.net/vehicle.php?id=88942
Maybe is a better example of the issue.
If you have a working photomode you should take a picture of the related car, not a picture of 2 cars. If the car listed is 1, the picture must show 1 car, not 2.

Yes, it certainly is a better example, mainly because there is a possible ambiguity. In the Beetle picture, however, the shot makes it clear it is supposed to depict the Beetle, because the Impreza is out of focus. As in literally out of the camera focus. Not accepting it on the grounds of "there are two cars, and one could be confused as to which one is supposed to be depicted" reason does not make much sense to me, because a reasonable person could beyond reasonable doubt point out that the picture's focus is on the Beetle. And "beyond reasonable doubt" (of a reasonable person) is good enough of a standard to convict someone of a crime, so it's good enough to say whether a picture is fit for IGCD.

That was on my list too. Don't add unneeded vehicles. I think the Beetle's pictures are not even at good angles, But fine. Admins will never agree with me. I'm going to play tks again just to prevent these shots from being made

It's been my experience that most people who choose a car that's on-paper faster it's to make up for a lack of skill they're unwilling to face. Either that or they buy the same car as a really talented driver (such as Colin McRae) because they think the talent will rub off onto them.

Back in the day Mustang drivers thought that Mini's couldn't outrun their ponies . . . few technical circuits later had shown them a thing or two.

Same goes for the Beetle, the same car that gave rise to the Porsche 356 can in the right hands could easily deal with a couple of Scoobies when a couple of turns are concerned.

The only condition when your math works is on a drag strip by identically matched drivers.

I said there are such a thing as Scooby driving numpties. There are also such a thing as Evo driving wallies, Datsun GTR driving gits etc . . . the kind that think that their car comes with warranty, insurance and a skill they'll never possess.

Some Scooby, Evo and Datsun drivers are sensible fellows who actually have talent and don't have to ride the McRaes coattails. "Oh I drive an Imprezza, I'm just like Colin McRae." "Oh I drive an Evo, I'm just like Tommi Mäkinen." It's about as sad as someone buying a Toyota Sprinter or RX7 because they want to be some fictitious kid from Initial D.

At no point did I say that all Imprezza drivers of the globe have no skills . . . yeah, I've definitely touched a nerve there. let me guess, you were passed by a . . . Beetle? Or Metro? And you can't get that nightmare out of your mind.

And for the record . . . I did pass those Imprezzas, most of the field passed them. They weren't in the lead. By the time I got into 1st place I had been side-swiped and the Beetle had suffered so these were the only photographs of my car before it was molested by traffic.

Yeah, I'm sensing a bunch of butthurt Scooby fans who are outraged that their favourite cars were beat . . . and badly.

If you didn't hit a nerve before, Ya sure as hell have now. I don't know or care how many upgrades you added to that Beetle to make it beat those "Scoobies" But in the REAL WORLD a stock Beetle versus a stock Impreza would be a pointless battle. And by the by, Automotive Gaming was using this great thing called "Sarcasm". He was not serious. Just because you hate Subaru, Mitsubishi, etc, Don't try to bash them in your shots. Please show the car used in a realistic form. Like I said, The game doesn't lie. The Impreza would maul the Beetle anyday on the game unmodified. I have a neutral relation to Subarus, So I have not taken offense to this in that way. So there.

Same goes for the Beetle, the same car that gave rise to the Porsche 356 can in the right hands could easily deal with a couple of Scoobies when a couple of turns are concerned.

Lmfao, sure.
FYI, I define myself a fan of every car model/brand, including VW. Guess what? My family owned in the past a New Beetle. So if you ever hit a nerve, it's because of your silly bullshits and nothing more. So let's end this discussion here please.

Lmfao, sure.
FYI, I define myself a fan of every car model/brand, including VW. Guess what? My family owned in the past a New Beetle. So if you ever hit a nerve, it's because of your silly bullshits and nothing more. So let's end this discussion here please.

Fine with me. I still think admins should use my shots though... (Trust me. They're better.)

If you didn't hit a nerve before, Ya sure as hell have now. I don't know or care how many upgrades you added to that Beetle to make it beat those "Scoobies" But in the REAL WORLD a stock Beetle versus a stock Impreza would be a pointless battle. And by the by, Automotive Gaming was using this great thing called "Sarcasm". He was not serious. Just because you hate Subaru, Mitsubishi, etc, Don't try to bash them in your shots. Please show the car used in a realistic form. Like I said, The game doesn't lie. The Impreza would maul the Beetle anyday on the game unmodified. I have a neutral relation to Subarus, So I have not taken offense to this in that way. So there.

Again . . . in case you missed it last time, I don't hate all Subaru and Mitsubishi etc . . . I just don't appreciate the kind of people who think skill comes along with the car. Just because you're driving a Red Bull doesn't mean you're the best driver on the track.

And yes, in the real world (a place you should visit some time) high performance cars don't always win.

Clearly you have taken offence, you're leading the charge of the impassioned Anti-Beetle Brigade with your cries of "How dare you pass an Imprezza with a Beetle?"

Lmfao, sure.
FYI, I define myself a fan of every car model/brand, including VW. Guess what? My family owned in the past a New Beetle. So if you ever hit a nerve, it's because of your silly bullshits and nothing more. So let's end this discussion here please.

My silly bullshit? I passed a couple Imprezzas in an old Beetle . . . so what? It can happen on a real life technical circuit too . . . so what? You're the ones getting butthurt over it.

You are childish. That's what you are. Just flat out childish. Even I am in the real world. But your "Impreza's are slow shitbags" arguement is causing hell here. What are you? 7? Wake up and smell the freakin roses. A 37 HP Beetle stands no chance against a 303 HP Impreza. You most likely loaded down that Beetle with every upgrade humanly possible to do so. Not to mention Fiat 500's don't do rally jumps like that. I'm getting a headache from this and it's freaking stupid. If you can't make proper screenshots then do't do shots at all.

You are childish. That's what you are. Just flat out childish. Even I am in the real world. But your "Impreza's are slow shitbags" arguement is causing hell here. What are you? 7? Wake up and smell the freakin roses. A 37 HP Beetle stands no chance against a 303 HP Impreza. You most likely loaded down that Beetle with every upgrade humanly possible to do so. Not to mention Fiat 500's don't do rally jumps like that. I'm getting a headache from this and it's freaking stupid. If you can't make proper screenshots then do't do shots at all.

Who's childish here? The one who just posted pictures or the one that's crying that two 331bhp (bare minimum) cars got thrashed by a 147hp (180 if I had maxed it out, but as it stands that was the setting leftover from the previous beginner seasonal.) Bug.

"You most likely loaded down that Beetle with every upgrade humanly possible"

Of course I tuned it. I've already said that I have been tweeking them. That's the whole point of the game. You buy, you tune, you race.

Even the AI cars are auto-tuned up or down to suit the race's limits. That's how you get higher bracket cars in lower bracket races.

Despite my tuning I still had less than half the horsepower of the Imprezzas, and you can't handle that, hence all the complaining, crying, whining, excuses and insults. You just can't stand it, can you?

The 914 was a VeeDub. It was built by VeeDub, powered by a bunch of VeeDub flat fours and one flat six from 1969 . . . it's essentially a Beetle with the engine turned 180° around the tranny to make it mid-engined so's it'd fit under the cute shell.

Aw come on not again. I was not being a troll. I ran the Beetle, I came out on top. That's all there is to it.

Burning Rubber is acting like a little toddler throwing a tantrum all because of a photograph. GT6 is a pretty close analogy to the real thing . . . for a game that is. And yes, light old Beetles with little 1100, 1200 or 1600 air cooled engines tucked behind the drive wheels could feasibly take on heavy water cooled nose heavy four wheel drive family sedans if there's a few turns thrown into the mix. If you haven't noticed that's where I usually take the lead against cars that normally rule the straights.

How can it be that folks simply cannot grasp that on a technical circuit the most powerful car does not always win. Technical circuits level the playing field. This isn't NASCAR or NHRA we're talking here. In fact usually it's the lower powered car that has an advantage. Every corner the Imprezzas had to slow down more, they had to brake hard where I just backed off the gas. This is why old BMC Minis had the advantage on tracks they shared with Mustangs in the 1970s. (Seriously, even if you're too young to have watched races like this, look it up. Won't take long.)

Now I'm not so sure about the RSi. It might very well compete with the Imprezza on the Imprezza's own terms, however it strikes me as a rather heavy alternative to the Golf. Like the Imprezzas it's nose heavy and got all that cooling to lug around with it etc . . . but since I'm not an expert on the new Beetles, maybe it could hold it's own, I don't know.

But are people really going to start whining and crying and telling me I'm a troll because I drove past cars with twice the power in a race? Seriously? That really is pathetic and childish.

Seriously . . . think about it. Deceleration throws the centre of balance forward. In the case of the old Beetle it becomes balanced. In the case of the Imprezza it's going to be led around by the nose all day like a bull at auction. Light & nimble 1,800 lbs against a heavy & cumbersome 3,000 lbs with a heavier nose than Owen Wilson?

Guys, I don't know what the hell you think Noko Tau has done, but the way you're reacting to it is just ridiculous.

This guy is posting pictures you don't like, right? Of course, if you guys really care so deeply about these images, you can always upload replacements. But if they really were so awful, they'd never get approved in the first place (there used to be people complaining that the approval rules were too strict!). Honestly, I congratulate Noko Tau for actually having the time to complete the GT6 page and provide some insight into the cars here.

If you're getting mad at these images you should really take a look at Star Wars Fanatic's images for Driver: San Francisco, GTA IV and others. In case you don't know, SWF is one of the two admins here alongside Rinspeed, yet his images feature damage, jumps and powerslides much more than Noko Tau's work.

Because I did some file cleanup, I found some pictures I'd never uploaded! I added five cars. They are:
Tommy Kaira ZZII. Uploaded.
Tommy Kaira ZZ-S. Uploaded.
Holden Monaro. Uploaded.
Holden Commodore. Pending.
TVR T350C. Pending.

The Commodore and Monaro were re-uploads, But at least admins used my shots instead of the blurry shots they had... I swear I had the Toyota Sports 800 shots beforehand, But I had to re-take them. They are already up as well. Right now I'm importing shots for the Nissan OPTION Z. So that's coming soon as well.

No offense, but I think your energy would be better spent taking pictures of cars that aren't already on this page rather than devoting your time to replace every last picture Noko Tau uploads. Look at the photos in Midnight Club II and DRIV3R, there is no rule here against action shots. Noko Tau's shots are more entertaining/interesting than seeing a stationary postcard picture.

But why were none of the racecarss accepted? Camaro LM? OPTION Steam Z? And the Lotus Carlton needed new pics bad. The ones there show damage and customization. Only car that got approved was the Audi S3... -_-

Okay now rejecting the TVR T350C was dumb. That car wasn't even listed before! That one was totaly new!

Seriously, Why did they get rejected ??? They were normal shots of cars that aren't even listed yet. I get that all the admins hate me, But that doesn't mean you should just reject my shots out of spite.

Seriously, Why did they get rejected ??? They were normal shots of cars that aren't even listed yet. I get that all the admins hate me, But that doesn't mean you should just reject my shots out of spite.

Seriously what?? Stop as putting you as victim, the only cars that are rejected are the ones that Noko Tau had already do. Stop now!

I would give Rubbers a little friendly tip though. If you have more race cars to photograph, participate in the expert seasonal races. That way you can get a great action shot of your car taking first place and if you have the 2X bonus you'll also get over 1 Million credits to buy your next car. Just make sure you don't get dinged in the process. That's the real trick.

I see two Audi R8's that could do with a new front shot, and R18 and one of the R8s that needs a rear shot. Would be perfect for the expert seasonals. In fact that's usually one of the AI's front runners so it shouldn't be too difficult to take the entire field in those.

If it's a large patch try it over again. It'll patch in installments. So say you get the first two parts done and then it crashes, the next time it'll have those two under it's belt and you'll start on the third. With each installment the next one gets easier.

If it's a large patch try it over again. It'll patch in installments. So say you get the first two parts done and then it crashes, the next time it'll have those two under it's belt and you'll start on the third. With each installment the next one gets easier.

No I mean its too slow and would probably take 24 hours to update.

Speedevil wrote

Seriously, don't even argue with Burn Rubber. He's a troll, basically. If nobody ever argued with him, this website would be a way better place.

Hey! I've provided for IGCD very much! I'm 11th in rankings! I'm far from a troll!

I had the same problem when I decided to download the game instead of relying on the disc¹. It updates in segments. If you don't want to leave the PS3 running for a day while you're out at work² then you can update a couple segments at a time and you should be done pretty quickly. You'll also find the estimated time will decrease with each couple of segments because each subsequent segment becomes progressively smaller so the estimated 24 hours becomes 8 hours in reality.

¹ So now I can not only switch between one game and another without changing disc but I can play GT6 with an open empty CD tray which means I can play with no chance of it overheating.

² If you choose to update while at work you might want to change the power settings so neither console nor controller will go on standby partway through.

Hey! I've provided for IGCD very much! I'm 11th in rankings! I'm far from a troll!

Not saying you're always a troll, but when you start shitstorms over nothing and don't let it go, it's really annoying.
So please, don't argue with people because they submitted "bad" images. It's not a big deal, and if you think they're so bad you can simply upload new ones yourself.

Tell you what though, soften up the suspension in a Citroën 2CV and you have a exceptionally fun car and one that might surprise you on technicals.

What I would perhaps suggest to the admins is that we get folks to post pictures of the 'ducks' doing the most incredible leans and post 'em in the comments section of the 2CV entry? If we get some really spectacular ones of these cars doing spectacular thing in races I'm all for them replacing mine.

Although the stock suspension doesn't do the car justice. In order to get a feel for it you'll have to buy brakes and suspension, get that recognisable nose-down tail-up rake to it (I'd say raise the tail 20mm and lower the nose by the same) reduce all the spring rates as low as they'll go. Ditto the anti-roll bars (except perhaps raise the front one to 3, that way the chassis takes some of the torsion) Don't slow down, don't use the brakes unless you intend to stop. If you have a hairpin just roll back on the gas and apply it as soon as you can on the out. If you've turned in properly you should be able to take on more powerful cars.

Also the real deal isn't as weak as people say. You'd have to tune this up to match the real Type AZ. I know Polyphony called this Type A but they've got the wrong engine, the wrong specs and the wrong grille for that. Polyphony also based their performance on paperwork rather than a practical demonstration.

These cars have 8 springs, not the usual four. Two cans, one running down each side linking front to back, two springs in each can and each can supported by two more springs. If the front hits something the rear should push the car up to clear it. Now you can't simulate this in GT6 but you can still get that duck 'waggle'.

As racing driver, auto journalist and future presenter of Top Gear Chris Harris had said "the most interesting car I have or ever will own." and "Everyone should drive one at least once in their life."

If you're in America there's probably zero chance you ever will. This will be the closest you'll ever get. Embrace it.

The Ferrari 330 P4, Ludovico Scarfiotti & Michael Parkes #21 1967 Le Mans car might be chassis number 0858 that was later converted to a 350 Can-Am but then re-made into a replica P4 for posterity. I'm not sure, someone might want to check up on that. Doesn't help that Ferrari got all antsy about some chassis numbers and the legitimacy of some cars of that period.

New cars:
Mazda RX-7. (A different one. And I forgot to put FC in the chassis code)
Mazda Atenza.
Citroen Xsara.
Mazda Carol.
New shots for the Peugeot 106 Rallye.
Coming soon: Mazda Alexa and Mazda Familia. Game crashed while I was trying to get my shots.

I don't know about the Citroën Xsara. Nothing really wrong with SassPD22's picture. It is a little boring for an action shot, so are you going to have it pitching and rolling? Perhaps drop the nose down a little so it'll look more like the real deal? It didn't have Hydropneumatic or Hydractive suspension, just MacPherson struts up front and an adjustable torsion bar & trailing arms setup at the rear but it's still pretty supple by most modern standards. It did have four wheel steering (passive rear wheel steering) so you could probably kick the back out a little.

BTW, have you handled the updates yet? This could easily do the intermediate seasonals. 780K per win and you're making a decent profit even after the cost of the car. Not to mention you're saying something about the car when you get the lead without a mark.

And dare I suggest Rouge Lucifer? I know it's a little cliché when it comes to Citroëns, but double chevrons over 'Wicked Red' does look good.

Well anyway, are you going to give the Citroën 2CV Type AZ a crack? Even if the Admins don't choose it, it's still a wild ride you ought to experience even if just in a digital world, so long as you adjust the suspension to do the original car justice. This is a lean machine in every sense of the word.

The 'lean' was more apparent from the front. The dynamics of different cars can be best shown from different positions.

The Fiat Coupe Turbo I've just done you can see I'm braking much later and much harder around that turn than the BMW M4 which I've just passed. From that view you can see the drivers side front wheel disappearing under the front wheel arch, the rear nearly lifting (I can make Peugeots actually lift) and my head is thrown well forward so if it were real I'd be struggling to see over the hood. In the Fiat's case it's more apparent from the side.

Anyway, in the case of the 2CV the side isn't that good. Polyphony screwed it up pretty bad, especially the C pillar and the floor pan.

I might revisit when I'm feeling better, but I'd be interested in seeing and hearing other people's experiences (providing they give it a good old college try and not just do one lap and blame the car for sliding off because they're trying to drive it like a stiffened Golf on the 'ring.)

Okay so I grit my teeth and had a bash. If you're going to do the same just remember the three most important things. Never brake. Always accelerate. Choose your approaches and exits wisely. Looking forward to seeing how you do.

I will be doing a sweep of this game. Adding any still missing cars, replacing bad pictures, (Examples here and here ) If there are any listed vehicles you feel should have replacements, link me to them and I will make them top priority. Because I will probably be going letter by letter and not at random. Well, That's all for that. Time to get some pictures!

Today, there is the new Web Car Story with some news things. And one of these thing is a question. The first is the election of the best Vision Gran Turismo Car. You can vote here (after login): www.webcarstory.com/index.php

Today, there is the new Web Car Story with some news things. And one of these thing is a question. The first is the election of the best Vision Gran Turismo Car. You can vote here (after login): www.webcarstory.com/index.php

For Mieguy, Burn Rubber and Mark0, your vote aren't valide. You had to put all the answer in order of preference (we had put a text to explain it after that you vote) and validate it at the end.

Only one day to vote for the best Vision Gran Turismo car (Part 1 = Europe)
Tommorow, there will be the vote for the part (others countries) and Friday the Final with the 5 best of each part.
You can vote here: www.webcarstory.com/index.php

Yeah apparently BMW didn't get the memo , no offense vision concept cars are supposed to be outrageous and show what the company is capable off (designers should let loose) not a glorified production car. When I saw the BMW for the first time I like it but the M1 Hommage is more fitting then this ....I was disappointed

It's true. The Vision Gran Turismo project was about designers being able to design the craziest things they could come up with, as long as they would be drivable in-game. Whether they would be able to drive on a real life road is absolutely irrelevant, and still BMW (as well as Volkswagen) came with concepts that were not really that outrageous or surreal.

And don't forget about the Bugatti, their Vision GT concept had about 90% of its styling transferred over to the roadgoing Chiron. It didn't really have that "crazy" look to it; and I'm sure many people now just consider it as a race car version of the Chiron.

BTW, I wonder what happened to all the Vision GTs that were seen in the first trailer when the Vision GT project was first announced back in mid-2013? It looked like we were in for some crazy ones, yet they never really came.

BTW, I wonder what happened to all the Vision GTs that were seen in the first trailer when the Vision GT project was first announced back in mid-2013? It looked like we were in for some crazy ones, yet they never really came.

Perhaps they saved some for GT Sport, or the manufacturers just didn't come around to creating the concepts.

I have a problem in the game because when i play a race, my PS3 turns off without appearing the sign of the that my PS3 goes overburned?? How could fix this? This happens too in Arcade Mode, Online and Seasonal Events.

I moved some of your comments to archive because the comment section on this page is already very long. Why do you need a change log? It spams the page. You can see the latest cars that were added if you change the order of listing to "Display as date added".

Burn Rubber wrote

Don't delete it! It was a reupload with track photos!

Thanks a lot, now I have to add it again...

If you're so eager to delete pages, delete the old ones for the cars I reuploaded.

When choosing between two cars, i try to decide which was the better looking one. Now we still have two 95 Cappuccinos, because you reuploaded it again. I rechecked it and i see that the original one is also a little bit blurry. So i keep your "track photo" this time.

Oh and btw, to avoid spamming you can also write a comment on the car page which needs to be deleted. Makes it easier for me.

Not for nothing daminea103, but why don't you post the updated images of the cars when you have your new PC along with a capture card? Sort of like this, you only post cars that haven't been added (if this page has some pending models). It would give less work for you to replace them later, since Gran Turismo 6 has a colossal list of cars

Not for nothing daminea103, but why don't you post the updated images of the cars when you have your new PC along with a capture card? Sort of like this, you only post cars that haven't been added (if this page has some pending models). It would give less work for you to replace them later, since Gran Turismo 6 has a colossal list of cars

I can tell you one thing, i'm not getting a capture card. And when my pc is all good i will replace images only of the cheap cars. Farming money is now a very long and tedious process after the servers have shut down.