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I am under attack for my last post, Colin Andrews, Crop Circle Culprit, Strikes Again, about Nancy Talbott, who is responsible for the science that’s been done on crop circles, and Robbert van den Broeke, the Dutch medium around whom crop circles form and who photographs images of deceased people with still and video cameras. Look at the sort of things that are hurled at me:

This is war and since Nancy doesn’t want to fight, then the war needs to be fought out on your blog, so please let the combatants through on both sides for a proper go-round.

Crop Circle Wars! Fake Video Shakes Credibility of One of Thrive’s Main Sources

A bizarre little drama is going on right now in the world of crop circles. A fake video designed to bolster belief in the supposed paranormal origin of crop circles has been making the rounds on the Internet, igniting both indignant recriminations and spirited defenses. This matter may seem extraneous to issues involved in Thrive—until you realize that the fake video controversy directly concerns a website called BLTResearch.com, which is one of the Thrive movie’s go-to sources for the crop circle nonsense that appears so prominently in the first part of the film.

Nancy has come to a basic policy decision not to respond to such things. I can attest that when you get into back and forths with crop circle debunkers it’s like a tar baby that never gives up its hold on its position. Nancy meticulously documents her work on her site, http://bltresearch.com, which the attackers ignore. It reminds me of The Skeptics Society, where nothing outside of ordinary reality is possible so no investigations are necessary in order to debunk things. I’m not going to approve all the gleeful “gotcha” comments that came in on that last post, but am dealing with them in the aggregate here.

The central premise of the assaults is that Robbert gets his images by trickery, somehow loading the cameras with what produces the results. The attackers document photos that can be found online that Robbert then gets, as if that’s proof of trickery. But, not so. Some images are online, but they don’t end up in Robbert’s photos through any manipulations of his or anyone else’s.

Here’s the first response I got from Nancy when I passed along critiques to my Colin post and asked if she would deal with them:

When you stand up publicly for what you believe is the truth–as you did in this case (and which you chose to do on your own based on what I see as solid reasons for your trust)–this is the kind of baloney you ALWAYS get if the facts themselves are (a) beyond some of your readers’ capabilities to grasp, or (b) the truth scares them, (c) they’re mentally impaired, or finally (d) they’re debunkers. [Egotism and arrogance may involve all of these problems.]

I have written in laborious detail all of the info anyone with either the basic intelligence and/or the degree of courage needed to understand the situation should require. And the only suggestion I can make to any of these people is that they READ the details. If they refuse to do this, or if they choose to dismiss me as stupid or a liar, there’s really nothing more I can do.

People with sincere interest will read the reports–ALL of the info presented, not just look at the pictures. Intelligent people will grasp the complexity of the situation and would, I should think, either be fascinated with what the these facts suggest or, at the very least, have the courtesy to address me with any real questions they still may have. Since no one has asked me a single question I see no reason at all to respond to superficial or disrespectful commentary.

I would suggest that you not bother to respond. And if you feel you must (which I think is ill-advised), simply point out again that people must READ the reports. And tell them that if they then have genuine questions, to pose them to me directly. I will always answer a sincere question. I will not waste time answering superficial or insincere (or rude) questions. (My pay-grade doesn’t cover these.)

Well and good, but there is voluminous material on Nancy’s site, and I didn’t see this being an effective response when indeed there is a very effective rebuttal to all the daggers. I finally got Nancy to relent and to give some bullets of information, all of which can be found on her site, that counter the assaults.

1. Robbert began getting photos of people (Apparitions) back in early 2004–HE HAD NO COMPUTER.

2. Some of these early Apparition photos were of his OWN DECEASED RELATIVES, people he therefore KNEW were dead.

3. Many of the images of people who appeared in 2004 and 2005 and early 2006 were famous people and many others were of people Robbert DID NOT RECOGNIZE….and still doesn’t.

4. During 2004, 2005, 2006, he took HUNDREDS of photos of people (Apparitions) USING HIS CLIENTS’ CAMERAS (people he did not know prior to their visits and most of whom came to him wanting info about their deceased relatives). These clients were WATCHING ROBBERT AS HE TOOK THE PHOTOS USING THEIR CAMERAS.

5. When the Apparition photos were taken with his clients’ cameras IT WAS THE CLIENTS WHO IDENTIFIED THE IMAGES AS THEIR DECEASED RELATIVES (often the relatives they had come to see Robbert about).

6. The first time I personally witnessed Robbert taking photos showing people’s images was in 2006. Robbert was using MY camera and I was standing literally right next to him (my head touching his so I could see the LED screen as he took the shots) and saw multiple images of a man appear whom neither of us recognized.

7. In 2007, out in a crop circle field in broad daylight, Robbert took 60+ photos of MY OWN BROTHER who had died just two months earlier, USING MY CAMERA for the very first time that summer, and WITH ME STANDING RIGHT WITH HIM THE WHOLE TIME AND WATCHING EVERYTHING HE DID.

8. Also in 2007, using Andreas Muller’s camera while Andreas, Robbert and I were out in a crop circle field, again in daylight (with no computers present), Robbert photographed an unknown man–with Andreas and me watching the whole time. None of us recognized the man.

9. In 2008, using the highly-respected American parapsycholgist DR. WILLIAM ROLL’s BRAND NEW CAMERA, Robbert obtained multiple images of three different men–with Dr. Roll and me standing right there watching. None of us know who any of these men were.

10. Robbert got his first computer in July of 2006. He did not begin to learn how to use it until the winter of 2006 and still does not know how to do very many things with it. It DOES NOT HAVE PHOTOSHOP OR ANY SIMILAR PROGRAM ON IT AND NEVER HAS HAD.

11. THERE ARE AT LEAST 500-700 IMAGES OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE WHO HAVE COME ON VARIOUS CAMERAS BELONGING TO A WIDE RANGE OF PEOPLE, IMAGES WHICH HAVE NOT YET BEEN MADE PUBLIC….some of these images we have been able to identify, many of them we DO NOT KNOW.

12. ALTHOUGH SOME OF THE IMAGES OF PEOPLE LOOK LIKE IMAGES WE HAVE SUBSEQUENTLY FOUND (which were printed somewhere or were on the internet), OUR M.I.T.-TRAINED PHOTO ANALYST STATES THAT MANY OF THE IMAGES HE HAS GOTTEN COULD NOT HAVE BEEN DERIVED FROM THE SUBSEQUENTLY DISCOVERED PRE-EXISTING IMAGES. (http://bltresearch.com/robbert/apparition1.php)

And if you look 1/3 of the way down Part I of the Apparition Photos report, you will see this text, outlined in a box:

There is something quite awesome going on in Nancy Talbott’s world. Nancy, who for my money is the most valuable player in the crop circle constellation, was a presenter in the Evolver Webinar series I hosted about the circles. Thanks to Nancy and http://BLTResearch.com, we have scientific experiments which are the key validation that crop circles are a real mystery.

DOORWAYS TO ANOTHER REALITY, the Evolver series I’m hosting that starts this Saturday, June 16, has one presentation about the circles, with the other three being subjects that would be more like a situation Nancy is involved with now — each one will take you out of ordinary reality. Please have a look and consider enrolling.

What Nancy is dealing with now involves Robbert van den Broeke, a Dutch medium around whom crop circles form. For seventeen years, Robbert has been getting “premonitions,” not only that a new event is about to happen — a lot of them appear close to where he is — but often exactly where a circle will form and what it will look like. (Nancy was eye witness to one of them! Knowing how straight-arrow Nancy is, if nothing else lets me know that hoaxers don’t account for all crop circles, this report does.)

Over the years, Colin has made erroneous statements about various aspects of the BLT work. That includes an absurd claim that the results of a 1999 BLT study, conducted on an Edmonton, Canada, crop formation — which provided impressive confirmation of unaccountable changes in the clay minerals in the crop circle soil — “supported” his proclamation that 80% of UK crop circles, during a couple of years when he studied them, were man made. This was in spite of the fact that the BLT study had nothing to do with any UK crop circles. That report was widely circulated, whereby Nancy circulated a correction to it. When Nancy — and I — asked Colin to remove the inaccurate statement from his website, he refused.

Colin claims not only that Nancy’s report (http://bltresearch.com/robbert/delgadochorley.php) about the appearance of the late Pat Delgado, an early circle researcher, on Robbert’s digital and video cameras, is “trickery,” but that she and Robbert have offended Pat’s relatives. Colin provides no substantiation for the trickery claim, and I am skeptical about Pat’s relatives contacting Colin and not Nancy. Also, In the videotape posted in the report (link above), you will see how touched Robbert is at recognizing Pat’s face and how much regard he feels for him, and if any Delgado family member saw the BLT report it’s hard to believe they would have felt that Pat had been mistreated.

An enormous array of other highly anomalous events occur around Robbert, including the clear images of deceased people he gets on digital cameras and on videotape. All this is meticulously documented (see multiple individual reports listed at the bottom of BLT’s page devoted to Robbert’s case, link above), and I trust Nancy’s reporting implicitly.

Also, I saw an un-cut video of Robbert taking pictures, and I know enough about the videographer and someone meaningful to the videographer whose image appeared on Robbert’s camera, to be blown away. We all look forward to a DVD with a compendium of videos that will show some of the incredible things that occur around Robbert, and I think everyone who sees what I have seen will think seriously about the larger grid of intelligence, the “cosmic consciousness,” in which we are embedded.

Bear in mind that Robbert didn’t “ask” for Pat, any more than he has asked for any of the deceased people whose images have appeared (including 60 photos of Nancy’s deceased brother). Robbert is a “medium,” whom the dead apparently can use to communicate with the living, but it is not Robbert’s choice as to who “comes through.”

Robbert’s experiences and Nancy’s careful reporting about the astonishing events that occur around him are intriguing and informative, and Colin has done a disservice to us all in summarily dismissing them.

For this one, I’m out of the niche that knows me as an authority about crop circles, which is how we got our good enrollment for the series that was all about the circles. To enroll this one, I could use help from compatriots. Please give an endorsement to lists and friends to tell them they can expect good experiences.

Andy Thomas will do the sole crop circle webinar. I’d rather hear Andy talk about the circles than anyone else, and he’ll blow any closed mind into an awareness that something tangible and very important has been stirred up by the phenomenon. The other guests are my pyschonaut heroes. Edgar Mitchell tuned into a bigger reality than the one he occupied before he walked on the moon, and he created the Institute of Noetic Sciences to tune the rest of us in when he got back. Stephan Schwartz, even before he did pioneering work with remote viewing, inspired me with a talk about how twelve good men could save the world (must have been before women’s lib to impress me). Klaus Dona, my dolphin swim buddy, knows more than anybody else about things found all over the world that don’t fit into the history books. You will be enchanted by all of them!

I just watched Nancy Talbott…the depth and quality of the presentations has been mind-blowing. Suzanne Taylor, of “What on Earth?,” is the host, and has done an amazing job putting this series together.

I think we were all somewhat blown away by John’s brilliant presentation. It may take a while to fully process…I’ve been wanting John to publish his crop circle research for years. Can’t wait for that to come out.

Here’s an unedited string from the running chat that went on during the first one, by physics and astronomy professor, Jeffrey Wilson, who heads up a very enthusiastic US circle contingent:

If this is the BEGINNING, we’re in for one totally amazing series!!!”

Very Cool, Jeffrey!

wowza!!!

holy shit

sorry for the crudity of this statement, but WOW

unbelievable!

I’m pretty convinced the circles are the most important thing happening in the world today.

The more you learn about cc’s, the more you are amazed…

I want to be standing next to Jeffrey on 12/23/2012.

This is totally, totally fabulous — this is so true of why we have to be okay with Mystery to want to be a croppie, right?

BRAVO Jeffrey!

high five fist pump 🙂

Suzanne, please make a film about this research!!!

I’m so thankful for this as an opening presentation….

Ohmygod, if this is the BEGINNING, we’re in for one totally amazing series!!!

I’ve got four pages of notes to spend the rest of the week googling now…!

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