How to respond to 'god put animals here for us to eat'? - 30 Bananas a Day!2020-06-07T08:38:28Zhttps://www.30bananasaday.com/forum/topics/how-to-respond-to-god-put-animals-here-for-us-to-eat?commentId=2684079%3AComment%3A4206675&feed=yes&xn_auth=nohonestly, no clue. BUT they a…tag:www.30bananasaday.com,2015-07-05:2684079:Comment:42117052015-07-05T02:54:34.758ZJustin Theodrahttps://www.30bananasaday.com/profile/JustinTheodra939
<p>honestly, no clue. BUT they are humans, and everybody knows humans want things like happiness, good-looks, etc. and since ur vegan and they're not ur gonna have this stuff and they're gonna be like, well yno i really wish i was like her cuz she has this this this and they're gonna pick it up. oh yea also, this one time i was riding home with this religious guy and i sort of made a deal with him at the top of the hill. i said ill check out your church website thing that u been talking bout if…</p>
<p>honestly, no clue. BUT they are humans, and everybody knows humans want things like happiness, good-looks, etc. and since ur vegan and they're not ur gonna have this stuff and they're gonna be like, well yno i really wish i was like her cuz she has this this this and they're gonna pick it up. oh yea also, this one time i was riding home with this religious guy and i sort of made a deal with him at the top of the hill. i said ill check out your church website thing that u been talking bout if u check out earthlings. so mabye thats a way to do it.</p> I came across a book that wro…tag:www.30bananasaday.com,2015-07-04:2684079:Comment:42116042015-07-04T05:24:59.040ZPink Dahliahttps://www.30bananasaday.com/profile/PinkDahlia
<p>I came across a book that wrote about the Adam and Eve story in such an unusual way, at first I was a bit horrified, it seemed so wrong, but the more I thought about it, the more it seemed to make sense in such an unexpected way. I am paraphrasing, it has been years since I read the book, so I might not be exactly right, but I think you will get the idea:</p>
<p>In the beginning, Adam and Eve lived in paradise. All their needs were provided, but one day they decided to eat from the tree of…</p>
<p>I came across a book that wrote about the Adam and Eve story in such an unusual way, at first I was a bit horrified, it seemed so wrong, but the more I thought about it, the more it seemed to make sense in such an unexpected way. I am paraphrasing, it has been years since I read the book, so I might not be exactly right, but I think you will get the idea:</p>
<p>In the beginning, Adam and Eve lived in paradise. All their needs were provided, but one day they decided to eat from the tree of knowledge. (the author pointed out at this point that this clearly indicated that this story was written by our enemies - if it had been written by us, the gaining of knowledge would have been a good thing). In this story, eating from the tree of knowledge represents the dawn of the agricultural revolution. At that point in history, we suddenly realized that we could indeed take control of our food supplies by growing our own food. Never again would we have to arrive at a fruit orchard and discover that the fruit was already eaten. Or worry about disasters or anything else that would cause us to go hungry. "Cursed" to eat from the food of the earth with labour and toil. We became farmers. (Again, if the story had been written by us, this would also have been a good thing - no more being subject to the whims of nature, having control over our food supply - how could that be a curse!!). </p>
<p>So how does the birth of agriculture correlate to the birth of mankind? Simply this: Before this happened, mankind lived the same as all the other animals. Feast, famine, sickness, whatever, we were at the mercy of nature. But this change set us apart from all the other animals. And once we achieved the ability to not have to worry too much about starvation, we were now in a position to focus our rather impressive brains onto other things.</p>
<p>Things like inventions. Art. Philosophy. Technology. Medicine. You name it. And that is precisely the point when we diverged from being just like all the other animals, ie, the birth of man.</p>
<p>I am sure I have oversimplified it all, and probably not explained it in quite the same way. The book was called Ishmael by Daniel Quinn. I thought it was a great book, it was about a whole lot more than just this. But one of the strangest books I have ever read!</p>
<p>If this all sounds totally insane, it is more likely my own inability to explain it, I think the book does a MUCH better job. But if you extrapolate the idea of farming for early man to what we are doing to our planet today, you can see clearly how it turned out to be a curse after all. A terrifying out of control curse! Maybe our "enemies" had it right all along (the hunter/gatherers). But we have pretty much wiped them out. So time will tell.</p>
<p>Something to think about.</p> I totally agree. I see the Ad…tag:www.30bananasaday.com,2015-07-04:2684079:Comment:42114052015-07-04T01:51:41.777ZLindsayhttps://www.30bananasaday.com/profile/LindsayHood
I totally agree. I see the Adam and Eve story as a metaphor explaining 'original sin' as doing things we know deep down that we shouldn't. Just as eve ate the apple when she knew not to, everyday we are faced with seemingly insignificant choices that have consequences. We can follow that inner knowing or ignore it and go down the path of self destruction.
I totally agree. I see the Adam and Eve story as a metaphor explaining 'original sin' as doing things we know deep down that we shouldn't. Just as eve ate the apple when she knew not to, everyday we are faced with seemingly insignificant choices that have consequences. We can follow that inner knowing or ignore it and go down the path of self destruction. Well said Jacob! :)tag:www.30bananasaday.com,2015-07-03:2684079:Comment:42113862015-07-03T19:06:57.757Zednshellhttps://www.30bananasaday.com/profile/ednshell
<p>Well said Jacob! :)</p>
<p>Well said Jacob! :)</p> According to the story, God m…tag:www.30bananasaday.com,2015-07-03:2684079:Comment:42114622015-07-03T17:13:11.756ZJacob Chasehttps://www.30bananasaday.com/profile/JacobChase
<p>According to the story, God made Adam and Eve loincloths after they had sewn loincloths of fig leaves for themselves. But since they had "sinned", God made them clothing out of dead animals to punish them for their transgression of seeking knowledge (a convenient and obvious way for the religion to scare people from questioning authority in the pursuit of truth).</p>
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<p>Since they had never seen animal death before, and had previously been designated as the caretakers of all animals,…</p>
<p>According to the story, God made Adam and Eve loincloths after they had sewn loincloths of fig leaves for themselves. But since they had "sinned", God made them clothing out of dead animals to punish them for their transgression of seeking knowledge (a convenient and obvious way for the religion to scare people from questioning authority in the pursuit of truth).</p>
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<p>Since they had never seen animal death before, and had previously been designated as the caretakers of all animals, the significance of being made to wear a carcass would not be lost on them. Pretty sick, huh? It's like, "You tried to figure something out that I wanted to keep hidden from you, so now I'm going to make you wear your dead friend to remind you what happens when you question me."</p>
<p><br/>I understand that you want to be tactful, but if I were in your shoes I would ask your friend if she really believes in a God that creates animals capable of love and joy only so that we can exploit, torture, rape, and murder them.</p> What I was trying to say is t…tag:www.30bananasaday.com,2015-07-03:2684079:Comment:42113092015-07-03T14:48:40.879ZHeidelinde Holtzhausenhttps://www.30bananasaday.com/profile/HeidelindeHoltzhausen
<p>What I was trying to say is that her argument bares no validity if the topic is about sin. The bible is written for people who sin and try to live with less sin. So when debating about religion and lifestyles no one can actually say who is right or wrong... having agro thoughts towards others also counts as 'sin'. ''The tree of knowledge is knowing what is right and wrong. what is wrong is being out of harmony. Everything tends to go back to a chaotic state and harmony is that which keeps…</p>
<p>What I was trying to say is that her argument bares no validity if the topic is about sin. The bible is written for people who sin and try to live with less sin. So when debating about religion and lifestyles no one can actually say who is right or wrong... having agro thoughts towards others also counts as 'sin'. ''The tree of knowledge is knowing what is right and wrong. what is wrong is being out of harmony. Everything tends to go back to a chaotic state and harmony is that which keeps the universe together and keeps life in balance. So if you do something which throws the life balance out you are sinning. '' (as said in my awesome mother's words). </p> Thank you, thank you everyone…tag:www.30bananasaday.com,2015-06-25:2684079:Comment:42067842015-06-25T23:54:25.124ZLindsayhttps://www.30bananasaday.com/profile/LindsayHood
Thank you, thank you everyone who has taken the time to respond to this. It has really helped me clarify and strengthen my position. To be honest, I did see religion and veganism at odds with one another. But the truth is, for me, spirituality and compassion for all things cannot be separated. After reading through all the suggestions and thinking about it, I think I can be more understanding (and hopefully helpful) when I hear 'god put animals here to eat' again, rather than feeling bewildered…
Thank you, thank you everyone who has taken the time to respond to this. It has really helped me clarify and strengthen my position. To be honest, I did see religion and veganism at odds with one another. But the truth is, for me, spirituality and compassion for all things cannot be separated. After reading through all the suggestions and thinking about it, I think I can be more understanding (and hopefully helpful) when I hear 'god put animals here to eat' again, rather than feeling bewildered and even annoyed by the ignorance. So again, thanks so much :-) Awesome...this is something I…tag:www.30bananasaday.com,2015-06-25:2684079:Comment:42068502015-06-25T23:36:44.368ZLindsayhttps://www.30bananasaday.com/profile/LindsayHood
Awesome...this is something I'm going to read, thanks :-)
Awesome...this is something I'm going to read, thanks :-) This book looks great, I just…tag:www.30bananasaday.com,2015-06-25:2684079:Comment:42067772015-06-25T22:28:28.177Zednshellhttps://www.30bananasaday.com/profile/ednshell
<p>This book looks great, I just reserved a copy at the library! :)</p>
<p>This book looks great, I just reserved a copy at the library! :)</p> Nice! :)tag:www.30bananasaday.com,2015-06-25:2684079:Comment:42066752015-06-25T22:23:30.628Zednshellhttps://www.30bananasaday.com/profile/ednshell
<p>Nice! :)</p>
<p>Nice! :)</p>