This is a discussion on Raising and 3 betting too aggressively on later streets within the online poker forums, in the Cash Games section; In my opinion, one of my biggest leaks is when there is little to no action from my opponents postflop (only checking/calling small bets) I

In my opinion, one of my biggest leaks is when there is little to no action from my opponents postflop (only checking/calling small bets) I tend to raise even if I have nothing and am in late position. My reasoning for this is mainly to test the water and see what people have, if they have nothing they'll fold and give me the pot (I play micro so people don't get tricky and call with nothing most of the time) On the turn, if a scary card comes up like an over card or another suited card, I'll bet again and get called. On the river I'll make an even bigger bet if the guy has just been calling, and I'll sometimes be beaten. The river bet I make partly out of frustration and partly to continue pretending I have the nuts. I don't do this very often but when I do it ends up costing me a good amount.

Does anyone else have this issue and if so how do you deal with it? How do you ever know whether they have nothing, are floating to hit their draw, or know you're aggressive so allowing you to make those mistakes?

#2

13th October 2016, 8:58 AM

naitutreaba [247]

Online Poker at: pokerstars

Game: Holdem

in my opinion you can do that if you have a read on your opponent,if is tight probably is best to chek the river..but if is a Fish..i think you can scary him by betting Big on the river...

#3

16th October 2016, 3:25 PM

xttttt [15]

Originally Posted by Picatrix

In my opinion, one of my biggest leaks is when there is little to no action from my opponents postflop (only checking/calling small bets) I tend to raise even if I have nothing and am in late position. My reasoning for this is mainly to test the water and see what people have, if they have nothing they'll fold and give me the pot (I play micro so people don't get tricky and call with nothing most of the time) On the turn, if a scary card comes up like an over card or another suited card, I'll bet again and get called. On the river I'll make an even bigger bet if the guy has just been calling, and I'll sometimes be beaten. The river bet I make partly out of frustration and partly to continue pretending I have the nuts. I don't do this very often but when I do it ends up costing me a good amount.

Does anyone else have this issue and if so how do you deal with it? How do you ever know whether they have nothing, are floating to hit their draw, or know you're aggressive so allowing you to make those mistakes?

When you play like this, they can use slowplay (check and wait for your bluff). When you see that somebody uses slowplay a lot, don't use this strategy on him. Because if he checks it doesn't mean, that if you make large bet that he automatically folds.

#4

16th October 2016, 6:50 PM

Sidetracked [322]

You have to study your opponent's tendencies. Some love to check raise when they have something, some when they don't. Learn who does what and act accordingly.

#5

16th October 2016, 7:43 PM

asedu [592]

Poker at: =$+

re: Poker & Raising and 3 betting too aggressively on later streets

it can be good, but you can not do it constantly as it's easy to read (you can no have good 20 hands straigth right?)
but varying your range with 3bet 72o on BU can be good

#6

19th October 2016, 11:33 PM

the0 [80]

That's how I approach poker, I bet and raise large and often regardless of position.

#7

20th October 2016, 12:02 AM

Chippyy [16]

Poker at: BOL

I do this strategy often as well but you have to have a good read on your opponent for it to work. It's important you have good position for this to work well, I usually only do this in late position and with someone I'm stacked against. However, there are those who slow play (I'm one of them) and will check raise you when they have the nuts and cost you a lot of money. It's most important to do this strategy sparingly and in the right situations. Mixing up play is always a good thing, but only if it is the right scenario and not just to mix it up. You can steal a lot of pots if you do this the right way.

#8

20th October 2016, 12:04 AM

dbchristy [646]

Online Poker at: BOL ACR

Game: Holdem

Thanks for the reminder..I totally bluff too much. and in micro, it gets me killed

#9

20th October 2016, 2:15 PM

studaddy420 [241]

Poker at: ACR, BCP,

Game: holdem

i tend to only 3 bet when i know i got the coconuts and think my opponent will pay me off and will only bluff with the min. when i want to get caught so they'll think if i bet small i'm usually bluffing. sometimes i get the pot w/o having to show but when i do i'll switch and do the opposite. the key is to pick your spots

#10

23rd October 2016, 2:19 AM

antonis32123 [1,756]

Online Poker at: pokerstars

Game: holdem

re: Poker & Raising and 3 betting too aggressively on later streets

It is a very good strategy on position , but only when used pproperly on the right villains .How to choose them?
Either (better)with a good HUD or with your own observation , see who is who , who is the fish that can be bluffed but don't overdo it , who is tight so be carefull with him especially for check raises on turn or rivers .
If he keeps calling and he is a donky or a calling station there is no point in raising , I think ,the turn or river .

#11

24th October 2016, 10:41 AM

marakhovskii [513]

I do not think this is the right strategy.
easier to play on the map

#12

25th October 2016, 9:25 AM

Dorugremon [329]

Game: Hold 'Em

Originally Posted by Picatrix

In my opinion, one of my biggest leaks is when there is little to no action from my opponents postflop (only checking/calling small bets) I tend to raise even if I have nothing and am in late position. My reasoning for this is mainly to test the water and see what people have, if they have nothing they'll fold and give me the pot (I play micro so people don't get tricky and call with nothing most of the time) On the turn, if a scary card comes up like an over card or another suited card, I'll bet again and get called. On the river I'll make an even bigger bet if the guy has just been calling, and I'll sometimes be beaten. The river bet I make partly out of frustration and partly to continue pretending I have the nuts. I don't do this very often but when I do it ends up costing me a good amount.

Does anyone else have this issue and if so how do you deal with it?

I used to. You stop doing it.

How do you ever know whether they have nothing, are floating to hit their draw, or know you're aggressive so allowing you to make those mistakes?

You never really know. It comes down to knowing your opponents and how they play. You do pay attention while playing, don't you? Regardless of whether you're in a pot or sitting on the sidelines? I've got a line on several players who're FoF to the n_th degree. I always try to sit behind them, that way, I can almost call with ATC. If they check the flop, I can almost always steal it on the turn. These low limit fish aren't thinking about their play, let alone yours. That doesn't mean that you won't come across a player who isn't totally clueless.

Of course, you have to know this. Automatically playing as described is always a mistake, especially if you try it against a 'station. They'll call with damn near anything, and that "anything" can beat your bluff. Nothing wrong with taking a stab at an "orphan" pot, but if you get called, they have something and aren't likely to give up on the river.

The river bet I make partly out of frustration and partly to continue pretending I have the nuts. I don't do this very often but when I do it ends up costing me a good amount.

Desperation bluffs are a really bad idea. If they've been calling, that usually means they have something, and are very liable to call. I've met -- maybe -- three micro players who could play the leveling game, and I'm not sure about that third guy. I can sell them a story since they're actually thinking about my play, what it means, and how it relates to whatever they're holding. So far, I've gotten away with several triple barrel bluffs against them since they're playing a Level 2 game and I'm playing them on Level 3. I'm surprised I've gotten away with it as often as I have.

Against reg-fish, that won't work. "Me can has pair. Me calls" is about as deep as their thinking goes.

#13

26th October 2016, 8:48 AM

Haanski [82]

Poker at: ACR

Game: NLHE/PLO

Don't bluff just to bluff there are times where you can rep a bunch of good hands and times where it will just seem too obvious you don't have it so should give up and check sometimes.

#14

26th October 2016, 8:58 PM

Aces2w1n [5,740]

Online Poker at: Pokerstars

Game: holdem

I find if you want to take pots down while people are weak some important things needed.

1. Position it checks to you... just bet
2.initiative. people are more likely to believe you if your the pre flop raiser and people will check to you with nothing. becareful though and it comes with practice becase you seem to be posting this because or running i to small pairs and medium pairs who get sticky

some donts.
1. mutiway pot 3 people +... someone will can
2. bad players will call you down really weak
3. wet boards where its likely someone has got a piece

#15

27th October 2016, 7:40 AM

jashiggs [280]

Poker at: Pokerstars

re: Poker & Raising and 3 betting too aggressively on later streets

You have picked up on the leak but like you have said your reasing is just to test the water and see where you are. As othets have said look for opponenets tendancies - how often are these guys folding to turn or river cbets? Generally i make as little stone cold bluffs as possible on the big money streets..patience!

#16

27th October 2016, 12:19 PM

DonPatron560 [50]

Online Poker at: pokerstars

Game: nhl

I also use this strategy, it is a very good place in poker zoom on the micro limit, but limits above you can exploit