new collector seeks rare whiskies

just started to collect rare whiskies,im seeking rare bowmores,macallans and ardbegs,anyone got anything of interest please send me mail,im not a dealer or a collector who has a endless pocket not looking for the low end bottles eg £50 ones,im after the ones what will be worth a lot in the future so limited editions etc thank you

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adrianlit wrote:just started to collect rare whiskies,im seeking rare bowmores,macallans and ardbegs,anyone got anything of interest please send me mail,im not a dealer or a collector who has a endless pocket not looking for the low end bottles eg £50 ones,im after the ones what will be worth a lot in the future so limited editions etc thank you

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I think adrianlit (the first poster) believes that £50 is not low end in the collecting whisky world.

hmmm

Just a note for him,

Of course, there are some bottles which can be picked up for £50, and will appreciate significantly.

However..... it is very difficult to know which ones they are in advance, as it is often a particular combination of special interest, rarity in a particular market, quality of whisky as a drink and random luck.....

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Definately.Look in small wine merchants and corner shops on your travels as they often have old stocks on there shelves at original prices.I recently picked up 2 bottles of G+M Inverleven 1984 bottled in 1996 for £23 each tucked away on a shelf in a wine shop. Now i wont be able to retire on the proceeds but they are worth more than that and Inverleven has been demolished.I have a little piece of history.I've also picked up some Rosebanks,Glen Mhors and Littlemills at good prices.The fun is in the searching and who knows that bottle of Black Bowmore may just be around the corner.

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most people have miss understood me im not looking for £50 bottles of whisky nor am i looking at £8000+ bottles im looking at the mid to high end where they will be more collectable and profitale in say 10 years time,i bought a macallan 1955 40y.o the other week for £4565 ,got a few macallan seasonals and the woodland,ive got some highland parks,a few bowmores,im looking at bottles around £250-£1000/£1500 ish ive got £10k left as the macallan took a lot of my budget as i said i not a dealer or have a bottomless pocket not really into the distilleries what have closed as a few people have IM ed me to say go for the high end bowmores,macallans,ardbegs anyone have those IM me you know my budgets and limits per bottle

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In that case I wouldn't go for the really expensive stuff. That Macallan 40 isn't likely to increase in price much anymore. That one's pretty much hit it's ceiling.

If you want to make a buck off of rare whiskies, I'd suggest looking for limited releases by major distilleries when they are just on the market. They usually sell for around $70-$120 and you'd probably see a return of +300% in 3 years after they have sold out.

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whiskytaster there is NO NEED to be insulting !!!! this is meant to be a friendly forum,and peat chaser,im not a vulture im not buying them to sell in hmm 3 years time im looking 10 years plus on some but ive had paintings for 20 odd years as im sure a lot will say on here you get attached to ur item ,im like that infact ive bought a cask of arran whisky which i shall be holding for another 8 years until its 21 years old then i shall keep some in the cask until its 25 years so im not in this for a quick fast buck,if i wanted make quick money i would buy stuff from china and sell it on ebay im in this for the long term

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hi adrianlift the whisky taster has not been rude to you infact the opposite you have been rude to him he is only pointing out the facts

i was told the same myself better grammar and i wasnt rude about it so dont get upset relax and go with the flow dont get personnel people will try and help you on this forum it is friendly forum as you said

peat chaser was only saying what many others were thinking do some homework your self dont expect others to do the work for you

there are also many hoovers and leeches on manys sites ebay and some whisky shops that are taking the mickey as well as individuals so dont get offended if we think you are one off them

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bloody marvellous idea bloody marvellous but its saturday night and whats wrong witha bittof freestyling how long can i make this sentence without putting a bug up somebodys loch doo when we just haffing a bitofun and what does it matter anyway just pour a next dram of abundah batch 15 and all shall be revealed...

By the way, Adrianlit, with all due respect, I have, unopened, a Macallan ESC5 50cl, 59.2%, from Oloroso cask number 552, in a tube with an unbroken blue seal.

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My comment was not insulting, merely pointing out a fact. According to you, many people had misunderstood your posting. I was simply giving you feedback, so that you could be better understod in the future.

If you choose to continue writing in a way that few people have the patience to try and decypher, that is up to you. At least this way, you know you have an option.

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i AM doing my research online all the time usually spending several hours a day,im going on all the forums and checking e bay,the online whisky shops for prices etc,as im sure everyone else on here does the same,by checking prices to get the best deal as some of you have said you dont want to get ripped off by the dealers,im on here to get advice and help off other collectors who have the expertise in buying and trading whiskies,thats why im here to get help off you all.we all have to learn from knowing nothing from the start ! i am relaxed and hey i may only have a poor working class back ground we all didnt get degree`s so give me a break thanks,im here to learn and buy whiskies from fellow collectors thats all,if any of you have any whiskies for sale PM me please

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Nobody needs new investors without any addiction to our passion.IÂ´m sure as a friendly new member, preferably after a nice self-introduction and showing real interest to the theme, youÂ´d be perfectly welcome to everybody in the forums.But in the manner of a rotten child "imnewsotellmewhattobuytomakemoney" I fear the opposit will be the case.

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adrianlit wrote:i AM doing my research online all the time usually spending several hours a day,im going on all the forums and checking e bay,the online whisky shops for prices etc,as im sure everyone else on here does the same,by checking prices to get the best deal as some of you have said you dont want to get ripped off by the dealers,im on here to get advice and help off other collectors who have the expertise in buying and trading whiskies,thats why im here to get help off you all.we all have to learn from knowing nothing from the start ! i am relaxed and hey i may only have a poor working class back ground we all didnt get degree`s so give me a break thanks,im here to learn and buy whiskies from fellow collectors thats all,if any of you have any whiskies for sale PM me please

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Welcome to the forum. I think buying for investment is a bit of guesswork, really. If anything is a certainty, it is snapped up very fast.

I think it's been said before, but the ones that really go up can be relatively inexpensive initially and good quality. People drink them, so there's not too many left a few years down the line.

Also, there are so many special editions around now that I'd wonder if they're going to go up that much in the future. Most of the single malt whisky on the market at the moment seems to be special editions!

Closed distilleries might be the best bet. Or discontinued bottlings. Port Ellens, Rosebanks... And distillery bottlings are best.

There's someone on the forum in America selling a Laphroaig 30 for a good price. Ardbeg 1977s can still be picked up for okay prices - same goes for Highland Park 1977.

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I have to agree with some who have questioned your purchases and methods.

Don't get fooled by high status bottles being high return investments no matter how long you hold on to them. They are basically rich mens trinkets rather than investments. Any investment should be measured against current econimic percentages.

A bit of basic sums on investing should tell you what you should be aiming for.

Take a bog standard 5% gain every year, after 10years that would amass to a 62% gross ontop of initial investment. Therefore your £4565 Macallan needs to sell for minimum £7395 to keep up with these poor and standard returns. However currently you can get 7.5% for your cash in a bank so you need to be selling your macallan for £9400 in 10 years. However if your looking for fund type returns your talking about an average of 10% return every year. SO your Macallan needs to return at about £11800.

Then take a look at some of the recent past super bottles.

Take the Ardbeg 1965 bottled in 2005. This originally retailed at between £2000-2400 but as far as I know has never attained that price at auction or by private sale.

The Macallan Lalique retailed at $6-7000 in 2006 in the US and I've seen a few sell or even not sell at the $5000 mark.

These have actually lost serious money in real terms and have turned out to be foolish investments.

Spending large amount on a single bottle in relativity is increasing your chances of greater losses and these super bottles if they do appreciate will do so very slowly. Anybody saying other wise is trying to sell you a bottle.

However if you buy 24 x £100 limited edition and sought after bottles these could easily tripple in value in 5 years.

However like everything in life not guarenteed. We're still in a world recession and Whisky is not immune no matter what the optimists say.

We were told last year we'd get our first £100,000 bottle in Auction this year ... luckily I did not hold my breath.

If you ask me your money is better off in the bank rather than buying madly expensive bottles in the thousands.

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Aidan wrote:Also, there are so many special editions around now that I'd wonder if they're going to go up that much in the future. Most of the single malt whisky on the market at the moment seems to be special editions!

So true, reminds me of an old Simpsons episode in which the comic store guy was showing Bart a particular comic and said that each issue was labeled #1 so that they would be more valuable.