Here's Harry's promised look at the PROMETHEUS script or was it - no outright spoilers - but if you already want to see this film, don't read this!

Hey folks, Harry here - and it's been a curious and interesting day. You see - I first saw this script about 3 weeks before the first PROMETHEUS non-teaser trailer hit. I read it - and wasn't convinced it was real - thus - I never mentioned it on the site. THEN... that next trailer hit and things really seemed to key up. Nearly everything seemed to come out of that alleged 2nd Draft. I had conversations with folks about the script, who worked on the film - and most of what I would consider the spoilery things, well, it was syncing with what they would tell me.

So then I post the following... Today, shit hits the fan and @DamonLindelof starts writing me on Twitter saying that there is no "Planet Zeus" in his draft or @jonspaihts and that he feels I have been duped. Then Jeff Jensen of Entertainment Weekly tweeted a question to his followers about rather or not somebody ever knew of a filmmaker that blatantly lied to protect the secrecy of their project. Lindelof responded, "Never. That would be deplorable. #IAmLyingRightNow" Then an hour later Lindelof tweeted, "Harry, I swear upon The Force and Geekdom itself that what you read is 100% bogus. I would never lie about this." And finally an hour later he tweeted at me, "THERE ARE NO SKRULLS IN PROMETHEUS!!! (but seriously, if you stand by this script, so be it, but I know how to spell "Zeus.")"

If Lindelof swears upon the Force and Geekdom itself that what I read is 100% bogus, then as someone that has had several intoxicating drinks and have geeked out with Lindelof, I must say - The script I read must be bogus, because Lindelof has sworn so - and I am happy that I know nothing about PROMETHEUS and that apparently every source that I know on this film - and that things I've heard from others is also complete fabrication. Because that means I'm completely pure for this film then! And that would be fantastic too.

SO - what's the deal with this draft. Misspellings of ZEUS aside - there's an awful lot of material in the script that seems to somehow echo the film. For example - Mr Beaks called to tell me the script was fake, because well... he has sources too. Yet, when we started trading notes - I knew everything that he did, but that came from the script. Beaks & Quint are following up on this, and we'll have some additional PROMETHEUS 'alleged' information in the next couple of days.

BUT do realize, for me - I feel no shame in the following. I was sent the script, read it. Did a few months of digging. Thought about writing Lindelof, but the reality is he's signed a non-disclosure clause and it isn't like he's able to really tell me things, but he could have said, "BULLSHIT." And at that point it would've stopped any stories.

AICN has always been about reporting news & rumors and that is what this was. I actually have the highest of respect for Damon Lindelof - and talking to him about STAR TREK with Orci & Kurtzman at the HIGHBALL after our STAR TREK screening is a wonderful night of geeking out and drinking. Lindelof is good people and if he and Ridley have kept us all in the dark... FANTASTIC. Good show and best of luck with the badassery y'all intend to release.

Harry

The following "script review" could in fact be bullshit, but my passion for the ideas that the script put forth, which may or may not echo things in the eventual film is rock solid. We know we're learning more about the Space Jockey... and to me, that's what has me most excited by PROMETHEUS - and if we don't get a single ALIEN that looks like Giger's from the Original ALIEN - I'll be ecstatic. I hope they have conspirted to give us a far more indepth look at the universe that eventually gave birth to ALIEN.

Hey folks, Harry here… thanks for checking out the YouTube show, and if you missed it, here it is:

Now that you’ve seen it, you might be thinking, WHERE THE FUCK IS THAT PROMETHEUS SCRIPT REVIEW?

Well, here we go…

First off, I won’t be directly quoting from the script, that’s how these things get pulled. But I will tell you exactly what I read. And what it made me think of. And what it could mean for the final film and our overall experience with PROMETHEUS.

This was Damon Lindelof’s 2nd Draft.

I know there have been changes, because the whole Archeology angle that we’ve seen in trailers… none of that was in the script. AND it was a very fucking tight 79 pages, but never left me particularly WANTING for more. What was on the page showed me that Ridley Scott hasn’t reached a point in his career where he was motivated for a nostalgic career revisit for the PAYCHECK. He came back because there’s a lot left to be said.

We learn in this film, that mankind, though space faring, has yet to make contact with an Alien Civilization… that we’re aware of.

The mission puts a Michael Crichton-esque team of experts in their field, combined with the technician types, an android and the company person – and they’re all on mankind’s fastest most technologically advance space craft yet engineered, because the PROMETHEUS, it’s Weyland’s opportunity to take advantage of whatever that first contact experience could possibly bring them.

This mission isn’t to LV-426, it is to a different planet, that at least in this draft was referred to as the leader of the ancient Greek Gods… ZEUS.

Much of the film is about the historic and curious nature of this expedition of discovery.

Then there’s the freaky fucking scary parts. You know what’s scary? It’s that the Space Jockey’s race… You’ve no idea what they are. That’s what these folks find out. Other than the Alien Queen… pretty much nothing of worth has been added to the ALIEN universe since Ridley Scott, Dan O’Bannon & H.R. Giger went to make the original masterpiece. When people get all angry and bitchy about Cameron’s film, ALIENS, and we all know who these people are. Essentially it is that factoid that pisses them off. That Cameron switched genres. Personally, that’s what I love about Cameron’s ALIENS, which in terms making me quote happy and giddy watching… ALIENS takes me to places that ALIEN didn’t go. BUT – man, ALIEN just introduced that entire universe… and other than a few comic books… which are technically not canon… we really don’t know much about the SPACE JOCKEYS.

I’ve had COUNTLESS geek conversations with friends that ALL went nuts on how the franchise just became the latest egg hatching, face-hugger, impregnation, chest-bursting, aspects of host variation on GIGER Alien design.

Here we’ll see the face of a SPACE JOCKEY, at least. Have you ever wondered what a Space Jockey would do if it came across a human being? A group of human beings? Would it be violent? Curious? Scientific? And yeah… what you will experience in this film will truly have impressive surrealistic scary fuck me baby jesus style sequences. Unless they get all pussy on us and that stuff doesn’t happen. BUT I BET IT DOES.

I love that in the script, there’s strange visual references to Giger’s artwork from Jodorowsky’s abandoned DUNE project. And that when I read the reference, I knew the exact image they were thinking of. The “Temple” that some folks are thinking is bullshit tie-in crap to ALIEN VS PREDATOR’s Mayan stuff… WRONG. Go explore Jodorowsky’s DUNE work – if you’re curious you’ll be rewarded with a smile when you finally see PROMETHEUS – and I love that it has been adapted.

There’s parts of the script that read like lucid nightmares of a Lovecraftian variety. That’s very cool. Reading PROMETHEUS, I smiled because it isn’t the movie I thought it was going to be. And I haven’t given you nearly enough to know what I’m talking about… but honestly, I don’t want to spoil the various reveals and turns that this movie makes.

It will play with what we know of the ALIEN universe… but then absolutely mindfuck you with a different twist on things we thought we understood.

IF that movie is still in PROMETHEUS – and I have to tell you – every line and every image I see in the trailer, I absolutely recognize VERBATIM from the script, except that Archaeology and TED talk. Things have been added, but let’s see if Rothman’s balls have dropped. I think they have. Watching a film like CHRONICLE, it honestly gave me a bit of hope from that company. I liked MONKEYS ARE MAD AS HELL AND AREN’T GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE. I loved AVATAR. But I have to say. If they made the movie I read… then no matter what, the happy I have for everyone involved in the creation of that 2nd Draft… I applaud.

This feels like the man that directed ALIEN has gotten older, he’s no longer interested in just making another “GOTCHA” movie. He’s aged. Become a man of industry. He’s made films about the past, the present and of dire situations. Ridley Scott has been knighted and is respectfully acknowledged as Sir Ridley Scott – and Sir Ridley seems to be inviting us upon a rumination of the big questions that the highest minds ponder and pontificate upon. The big questions. Has he gone and made this thing so classy that it’ll be a snooze fest? No. I’m betting that when we collectively go see this thing, from the opening till the closing we’ll spend a great deal of time going, “WHOA!”

READ JAMES CAMERON'S 1987 RESPONSES TO ANGRY FANS WHO HATED ALIENS:
http://io9.com/5898580/read-james-camerons-1987-responses-to-angry-fans-who-hated-aliens
THE ABOVE ARTICLE PROVIDES THE LINK TO THE ORIGINAL INTERVIEW:
http://www.alienscollection.com/jamescameron.html

How does that reconcile with Sir Ridley and Damon confirming that it is indeed an alien prequel? And the crashing of the SpaceJockey ship?
I guess it's fair to figure that the SpaceJockey race set up multiple planets, but still...

I think this is the script Harry is talking about. I'm reading it right now and it's just like the one Harry read. Although prometheus-movie.com thinks it's fake, there is no official word. It's also the second draft by Lindelof. (Even has the reference to Jodorowski's Dune temple.)
http://www.prometheus-movie.com/uploads/leaked_script.txt

things from that supposedly leaked plot synopsis,things that we speculated from the various trailers and a bunch of stuff from that old Red Harvest script (terraforming,telepathic Jockeys).
And it looks that the crashed derelict we see in the trailer and the planet with the waterfalls ARE NOT the derelict and the LV426 planet from the original Alien movie.they are completely different.

have nothing to do with the derelict in Alien,then Ridley is full of bullshit because he has repeatedly said that he wanted to make a movie about what happened to the dead Jokey and its spaceship that we see in Alien.
but Prometheus is not about that Jokey and spaceship,it is about a different Jokey and a different ship.They are trying to trick the fans with their campaign to think that it is an official prequel to Alien,but in reality it isnt.And Ridley will come out clear because he has never confirmed that it is official prequel,he has only said that it has Alien DNA in it.
Prometheus will turn out to be the biggest bait and switch in the movie history.

i agree with emit that the script is terribl and haywire...not professional at all. while it does confirm a lot of things, it is quite possible that it was crafted keeping in mind all the trailers and other tidbits, to make it seem real. but on the other hand, there are notes and references to Scott's sketches and Mr. Giger etc....I dunno what the deal is. But then again, if it's real indeed, it's only the second draft and I'm sure ridley and lindelof would have refined it further and honed it into the classy, epic film that the trailers are promising us.

And, I liked the Youtube show too. I think you need to punch up the dialogue somewhat and work on your comic timing, but hopefully, you'll improve with practice. Good first effort, though. Just don't turn it into Pawn Stars with cool props.

It sounds like Ridley Scott has a strong set of ideas behind him, and that the film isn't going to be an attempt to rekindle the flame of Alien - its going to be its own beast, and do its own thing!!
I cannot wait!!

MUDOW
So what brought you on this little adventure?
SHAW
I'm an Archaeologist along with Holloway outside. We were digging up ruins on a site in Tibet when Weyland asked us to examine ruins on some lifeless planet they found. It was all rushed.
MUDOW
I hope it's worth all the money the company invested on this mission.
SHAW
So do you work for Weyland?
MUDOW
That's right, eleven years.
SHAW
It's a nice ship, looks fancy
MUDOW
It should be. It's the first ever ship to have been fitted with FTI speed technology.
SHAW
Seems like an expensive ship
By the way: "FTI?" What's that, Faster Than Ignorance?

VICKERS
So you're the ships Science officer huh?
DAVID
That's right
DAVID stares at the palm of his hand which has been cut. White fluid drips from the wound.
VICKERS
Does it hurt?
DAVID
I don't feel pain
VICKERS
I've always wondered what goes on inside the head of a synthetic
DAVID
I too have wondered what it would be like to see what's inside the head of a human. But I think even that would frighten a synthetic
INT. CONTROL ROOM
Both CHANCE and RAVEL; both dressed in white robes sit by their control seats. The door opens and JANEK walks in. Both CHANCE and RAVEL stand up and salute.
JANEK
This ain't the military guys. What's our status?
It was nice of Janek to point that out to the inexplicably saluting guys. By the way, the milk-dripping wound on David's hand? He just sits down to eat like that with no explanation.
I want to be a Hollywood script reader if they're all this funny.

Gave me a mind grain worse than the biggest hangover you'll ever encounter... In other words utter bollocks of the highest order. Badly written, with atrocious punctuation, and a lack of even the most common script writing formatting. No way is this real. Fanfic all the way.

and some fanboys here are whining about that?! You cellar dwellers want it both ways. You want the mystery of the space jockey in the original Alien to remain - well NOW YOU'VE GOT THAT. We will never know the story behind that particular SJ - so BE HAPPY! And now you're still whining that it's not LV-426! You just NEED something to bitch about, any reason to hate on this film will do. Dickwads.

Do you happen to know if the Peter Briggs who's mentioned in that link you posted (to Cameron's responses to angry Aliens fans) is the same Peter Briggs who went on to write the 1991 draft of Aliens vs Predator? Not the draft that Anderson shot, but the original draft that Fox bought?

Everyone apart from DAVID are all in the Mess Hall eating the weird jelly like substances and Corn bread. SHAW is sitting next to both MUDOW and HOLLOWAY. She notices Vickers; now wearing a suit is sitting in a corner away from the table.
SHAW
Who is she?
MUDOW
Meredith Vickers. She's a company suit sent here to make sure all of our actions are in the Companies best interests. Janek might be in charge of the ship but Vickers can end all of our contracts just by blinking.
JANEK stands up and hits is spoon off his steel cup. Everyone stops chatting and looks up at him.
JANEK
Can I have everyone’s attention please. Captain speaking. Now this mission was kinda rushed so I didn’t get to know everyone too good so if you'll indulge me I'll try and break the Ice. Now we all know that on the year 2042 the Voyager 3 programme flew past this star system and on 2069 the images arrived at the Hubble 2 and those pictures were of a small planetoid named Zeus and The pictures showed what looked like the Nazca lines. It may be nothing but Weyland spent a large amount of money on this hunch so that's why were all on this little trip. I'll start with the crew. There's me, Captain Janek and over here we have First officer Mudow, she'll tend to any medical related problems and if any of you have problems wetting the bed at night.
There are laughs from the group.
JANEK
Our two lazy mechanics Ray and Joshua who I'm told are geniuses with a couple of wrenches and duck tape. Over here is my trusty pilot Ravel. He's flown every kind of ship there is including an M-Class star freighter. And meet my young handsome Navigator Chance. He's the best navigator there is but still has trouble finding the clitoris.

Assuming the planet was discovered the same way we find planets in other solar systems, naming it Zeus likely would come years before the building of Prometheus, so the ship would be named for the planned trip.
I can't wait for this, the theory put up about humans becoming the Alien, and then infesting the Jockey ships makes sense to me. There may be more than one of the ships, and through mans meddling with science, we could accidently wipe out the jockey species. Cool.

Firstly, the ending is terrible and hokey. Secondly, this peice of dialogue appears in it:
JOSHUA
Faster than Light. After those big boys at CERN created antimatter WEYLAND took it over and they developed antimatter into a fuel source. That's what’s powering this ship and that's what's giving us gravity. Think of it like this. The Earth and other planet's with gravity have cores which creates gravity. Well the antimatter is the ships core
'The earth and other planet's [note misuse of apostrophe] with gravity have cores which creates [misuse of plural for create] gravity [repetition of 'gravity' makes this a clumsy sentence]'. Multiple mistakes within that one line, and even if it was grammatically correct it is a terrible line of dialogue that barely makes sense.

I want this to be good, but I just think it won't be quite what we think. I'm a little concerned about de-mystifying the Space Jockey, mainly, and that we seem to have lost the grime and grit of the universe established in the first film.
However - you've read the script and I haven't, so I'll take your word for it!

Confirmed by Ridley a couple of weeks ago in an online Q&A with fans.
Alien 3, Resurrection and Alien vs Predator can fuck off.
Was hoping you'd divulge a big spoiler Harry. Most of that stuff is already known.

EXT. PROMETHEUS. DAY
The large craft speeds through the Atmosphere it is still engulfed in a fireball. As it speeds down the fire fades and the brightly lit craft.
INT. CONTROL ROOM. DAY
Suddenly the shaking stops and the shutters begins to go back to it's normal grey color.
CHANCE
That's us in sir
LOLZ

if this is indeed the script harry read?? :P just give the benefit of the doubt.
but if it IS the script that harry read, then...
i'm reminded of the time when he posted a 'viral first look' pic of anne hathaway as catwoman as an aicn exclusive that he found from an email which directed him to some site or something. and it turned out to be a fake that had been around for atleast a year...i dont remember the exact circumstances, but u get the drift.

And he wasn't simply fooled by a lie. He was fooled by an obviously fake script. I mean, seriously, it reads like it was written by an emotionally-retarded 12 year old for whom English isn't a first language.
And he loved it!

As others have said, spelling and formatting errors galore. Very few scripts ever state where credits go, never mind which ones where, and NONE mention production sketches. As I'm sure others have here, I've written several feature scripts (one commissioned, so I'm no complete amateur) and this "script" is just plain fake.
Sorry, Harry. You've been duped.

It says it's Lindeloff's 2nd draft and mentions the abandoned Dune art.
Wow.....Harry, Harry Harry.
You used to check sources dude. What the hell happened to you? Lord knows you've been punked like 100 times, but now in the premiere episode of your show?
YEESH!

If this is the real thing, what's the point in reviewing an older draft? The final product will likely be different anyway. Also, is AICN going to be dropping the N? That's the vibe I get from this article. I may be wrong.

I'd prefer to not be lumped in with these individuals you mention with regards to Aliens, Harry.
I like Aliens as a film. I like the direction Cameron decided to go in. I don't necessarily condone the lighter take, but I do like the way the film ended up. I still like putting that Blu-ray in now and then, but not nearly as often as Alien.
Now...what I do NOT like about it:
1. The queen - I absolutely HATE the concept and have ever since I saw the film back in '86 (1st show, 1st day, I was there in my seat 45 minutes before anyone else entered the theater). To me it was a slap in the face to Ridley's film and the cocoon scene. Yes, I know it was cut originally, however Cameron, in a interview which I still have, stated he was a "fan" of Alien and wanted to honor that film. Well, to me a true fan would take into account that scene and write the sequel accordingly instead of indicating in the same interview that he didn't care what a few die hard fans thought about his ignoring the cocoon scene. Oh? Really, Jim? You mean those fans you MADE THE MOVIE FOR? You mean those fans that came to your movie and made you and Fox a TON of money? That aside, my BIGGEST gripe with the queen is it's femininity. It has built in HIGH HEELS for crying out loud!! RIDICULOUS!! It looks silly running toward Ripley whereas the alien in Alien was graceful and elegant.
2. The aliens act like insects. The creature was so frightening in the first film. The concept of more of them seemed almost too much to handle (in a story sense), but rather than live up to that potential, Cameron turned them into mindless bugs. If I want bugs, I'll watch Starship Troopers.
3. "Arcturian poon tang". Stupid. Embarrassingly stupid.
4. The eggs...they look NOTHING like the ones in the original with the exception of the basic shape. The "petals" peel back like a banana, COMPLETELY at odds with the original and the interior looks like it's nothing more than a hollow rubber shell. The eggs in the film are THE worst of ANY Alien film to date.
5. A technical gripe: Ripley's long hair at the beginning...it looks like a wig which I'd bet it is and looks nothing like what the character's hair looked like at the end of Alien.
6. Cameron spits in the face of Giger and Ridley again with the annoying alteration of the Alien design. The removal of the head covering (which was going to be on there according to Stan Winston, but Cameron saw one without it during pre-production and decided he liked it), the bizarre, purposeless and inexplicable forearm extensions (on the sides of the arms), and the removal of the central spinal "spike" (this one I can sort of understand, but I'd still like to see it there), and last but not least...the most ANNOYING alteration: the total LACK of a human looking skull at the front of the head. That little feature made that thing scary as Hell. It might be difficult to see, but that made it even more cool. That feature has never been brought back, sadly.
7. This one has more to do with so-called "fans" than the film itself...There is a segment of the Alien geekdom that for some reason unknown to me seems to want to constantly refer to the creatures as "Xenomorphs" all because of a line in the film taken COMPLETELY out of context. "Xenomorph" is NOT...repeat NOT the name of these creatures!! It is a GENERIC reference to ANY non-humanoid alien species as is perfectly obvious to anyone who actually pays attention to the dialog in the film. To those who would argue, I ask you...Why would the marines have a name for an alien species that they have had no previous contact with, know nothing about other than what Ripley's told them and to some extent are led to assume may in fact be a fabrication of Ripley's imagination? The word "xenomorph" literally means "alien form", i.e. any alien creature. The hunter creatures in the Predator films could actually be accurately referred to as 'xenomorphs'.
Other than these annoyances, I love the movie. I like the action and the story is great.
But GOD, do I HATE the queen.

Laughably bad. I did hear about though not read myself a treatment which dealt directly with ruins on earth and the uncovering of a star map. The Prometheus encounters the Space Jockeys, the crew is infected with a virus that turns them into prototype xenomorphs, there's wormholes an accident and the surviving crew is sent to another planet which turn out to be. *spoilers*
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Earth of the distant past. David survives and the virus turns him into the first human. The Space Jockey ship is predictably sent to LV426 where it crashes. There's not much chance of this being true either but it's a damn sight more believable that Harry's script.

Harry was duped.
@DamonLindelof: Hate to break it to you, @headgeek666, but there's no "Planet Zeus" in my draft... Or in @jonspaihts' work. I think you've been duped!
Get with the effing program, madame.

In your nonsensical passion to wish bad on all genre films, you failed to see that this is a FAKE script.
You are so obsessed with laying hate on all genre things, that you have forgone rationality and clear thinking...not that they were ever your strong points to begin with, but this silly rant of yours proves that nothing involving thought was involved.
Seriously, just....stop.

your actions here will have me smiling through the weekend.
I can only imagine you realizing that you backed the wrong fatass and start slamming your head against the keyboard cursing AICN that there is no EDIT button.

...and I have a horrible feeling it's poorly transcribed from real source material, why would mankind send such a bunch of muppets to investigate our first encounter with extra-terrestrials?
If it's fake, why, according to the trailers, has mankind sent such a bunch of muppets on so important a mission? Either way, it's lose/lose.

and either get herself banned to erase her mistakes or create a new handle like last time she embarrassed herself, hoping to fool us when she returns.
But we all see through her ill-informed tirades and know what is what.

Just when you think Harry The Idiot has reached the depth of stupidity, he comes along and redfines the word foolish yet again.
If the script he has reviewed is indeed the fake one - which appears to be the case - then that just re-enforces the points I have made before about his obvious lack of education and his ignorance about movies in general.
Sure, Harry The Idiot likes to promote himself as a writer and a movie expert but the reality is he is neither. What he actually is is an ill-informed movie geek who hasn't grown up because he has had a spoiled life and nobody has told him he needs to behave like an adult. He is like I was at 13, but with less developed English skills.
Knowles got lucky by starting a movie web site pretty much before there was any competition. His entire notoriety is entirely based upon that, nothing else. He hasn't grown as a person since AICN was founded and e site itself has declined because Knowles no longer has any interest in this particular toy. Just like a child, he has new interests, like his self-promoting video show.
The trouble is, people just don't seem to notice this. Knowles is a terrible writer and his sole contributions to the site nowadays are either studio-funded puff pieces or laughable gaffs like this one. And yet people still claim to love the guy, still praise him and still worship him as a movie expert. And he believes them. Nothing will change until people actually tell it like it is.
Running a review of an obviously bogus script is unforgivable and if Harry The Idiot has any self respect he should fall on bis sword and hand the running of the site over to someone like Quint. But of course this won't happen because of all those people who won't call him out on this huge error. Thats just Harry they will say.

It was essentially the Wikileaks of movie production. Harry and staff would literally steal scripts, or more specifically, receive stolen scripts. Then they reviewed them. Lots of industry insiders wanted to flaunt their knowledge and the internet, via AICN's anonymity, provided them an outlet for doing so without getting into trouble. So Harry had lots of scoops back then. That got him heaps of traffic because soon this cite was getting cited by major news organizations. At the height of this site's popularity, Harry was a guest reviewer several times on Roger Ebert's show and no doubt that brought plenty of new viewers.
But then AICN royally pissed off Ebert and unfortunately I don't remember the circumstances. They had mischaracterized soemthing he had said or something and Ebert wrote a scathing letter.
And then there was the big scandal where a couple of people went to jail for stealing a script and handing it to Harry. Harry played ignorant and the guy who provided the script and the AICN staff member who received it both hit the slammer. I think it's Film Threat who has all the taudry details on their site.
Anyway, that's when everything changed around here and that's why Harry doesn't want to know where anything is coming from which means it's usually bullshit.
So the only way Harry can keep the site going is with Pic of the Day bullshit, linking to news from other sites which he isn't liable for, and studio viral marketing packages he can sell.
So when us old-timers talk about the glory days of AICN, now you know what that means.

If the Christians have taught us anything, it's that some Jews love to be nailed for our sins. So I figured it would be appropriate to feature one of the Lord's Chosen People to be today's sacrifice.
Today's contestant is ... RACHEL WEISZ!! Does she or doesn't she?

Before I finished reading this so called script review I knew we were being had. When Harry forewarns that things may not go down as written in the finished film my suspicion alarm went off. Then 79 pages(for a second draft?) for a Ridley Scott film? Puh-leeze! Harry knew this wasn't legit and I'm betting deep down all you true talkbackers knew as well. Like I said above I come here for the often hilarious talkback posts. I don't post often but I read regularly and this is such a low even for this website. I just don't know what to say. I know Harry said in the New Year he wants more posts and original shit but let's face it the only reason this site was successful back in the day was because studios had no idea how to deal with the internet and this site got all the juicy info. Now the studios own some of movie news sites and monitor secrets much more closely. Harrys insiders @ Lucasfilm have been weeded out or rendered mute by no more Star Wars films and with them no more Star Wars news/spoilers(which is what made this site back then). Like people have said Damon Lindelof has already shot this story down and Harry could of EASILY confirmed with him before doing this. I'm wondering how many bridges Harry has burned with this. Certainly his peers like Devin Faraci or Drew can't respect an article or self promotion based on such an obvious lie I cringed reading it. I cant believe anyone thought this was real even before Damons confirmation. I had more I wanted to say but at this point I'm sure it will all get said. Harry, dude, this was the last straw and it just broke the camels back. Not to get all melodramatic but i just want to say to all you wonderful piece of shit talkbackers, you magnificent bastards, you make this site what it is today day in day out. Never forget that you are the people that inspired Kevin Smith to make "Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back" about asshole Internet trolls(oh and fuck Kevin smith). As this site gets worse you get better. Keep it up. Remember they can take away any accurate reporting but they can never take away OUR KEYBOARDS!

Not a bad story IMO. As far as it being real or fake I simply cant say.
but from what D. Lindelof stated there is no planet Zeus and therefore its implied that its not real.
Either way I cant wait for this movie to come out!

.. I am convinced it is somehow based on real material. As if the person watched a rough cut and knocked out a quick transcript. A good example of this is the 'translator' who wrote this has heard the word 'Array' and written 'Orrey', as if English wasn't their first language. Anyway, I'm convinced this is based on an early draft. Sorry, all you haters, but Harry may very well be right.

The Queen is a byproduct of colonists that have been irradiated (to a degree) from the terraforming plant, and due to damaged DNA, the "Queen" is an altered form of the first movie's Alien. Thus all Aliens produced are second generation copies, who are directly mentally connected to the Queen to serve and protect.
Overall, I still love ALIENS. Loved it in the theaters, but after watching it on a small screen I noticed a bunch of problems... namely, "idiot factor" problems.
I had no problem at all with how Cameron developed the characters. By giving them there one little scene to make an impression, as well as give them names like Hicks, you pretty much knew who these guys and gals were without having anyone having to step aside to show family photos or tell a story (let me guess... Hicks came from Kentucky or the mid-west, from a farming or hunting family). That way he can further develop character through the course of the story.
My problem is how the marines don't act like marines. Granted, Cameron was also throwing back to movies like FIRST BLOOD and SOUTHERN COMFORT, which depicted the sad state of the National Guard during and right after Vietnam (to say their training and disciple was poor would be an understatement), so I get that angle. Even so, to see them (particularly Apone) waiting around for an order to RUN AWAY had me throwing my hands up in the air.
But I will say those scenes are few and far between. Nowhere near enough to wreck a movie, but enough to get frustrated when such things can easily be corrected by reading the script before filming anything and just thinking it through.
Even so, whether this script is fake or it just goes to show you just how wonderful Lindelof's writing skills truly are. He IS a human being after all.
Speaking of bad scripts, you should all read David Goyer's script for BLADE. Jesus Christ is it bad! The same basic gist happens, but the way Goyer writes it... well let's just say that thank God Norrington was the director. In fact, it comes across that Goyer is great as long as he has a Nolin to polish his ideas and limitations... which may just be the case with Lindelof, and could be the reason he is usually paired with someone else.

Harry? Are you there?
Every modern forum section gives people the ability to do simple things like:
- insert pictures
- insert links
- use font functions like BOLD
or most importantly:
- the ability to EDIT YOUR POST.
This IS the year 2012 isn't it? Then again, in less than a year, we may not need an edit function.
Think you could make that your Mayan End of the Year Resolution? "If the world does not come to an end in December, then I will create an Edit function for the talkbacks."
What about it, big guy?

Why disappointed? I think it's rather a terrific story, and blends-in very cleverly with the Alien universe. It's clear that this leaked script is a badly translated version of a real early draft. There will've been atleast another draft since and alot of polish. Of course the shooting script is something else entirely. That takes into account everything Ridley brings to the table as an amazing visual director. I for one feel good about this. From what I've read here today, Prometheus could be as amazing as we all hope.

You've read the script, you've likely consumed every little tidbit and interview that's come out regarding this. Only the actual film remains, with remains being the operative word. You know the plot, the cast, the ending. Everything. How sad. And it's especially sad that it's for this very movie, a sci-fi extravaganza from the man who created the gold standard of movie sci-fi.
There will be no wonder for you. No excitement. No surprises. No gasps of surprise, nothing new.
Even if PROMETHEUS doesn't work, I'm happy that at least I'll be going into the theater with a clean slate. I've seen one preview. It did its job and I'm properly enthused. It's been a long wait, and I'm still marking time, but I wouldn't have it any other way.
Seems like this modern culture of ours sucks the wonder and surprise out of every little thing. You can learn all about it in advance now. Sad. It must be even sadder for the artists themselves.

20 YEARS AGO
READ JAMES CAMERON'S 1987 RESPONSES TO ANGRY FANS WHO HATED ALIENS:
http://io9.com/5898580/read-james-camerons-1987-responses-to-angry-fans-who-hated-aliens
THE ABOVE ARTICLE PROVIDES THE LINK TO THE ORIGINAL INTERVIEW:
http://www.alienscollection.com/jamescameron.html

Directly tie into the start of Alien.
The bulk of the story takes place in the same system, just on another planet. Makes sense to me.
Lidelof said he likes stories that take place at the same time another story is happening, like in the Bourne series. Pretty cool.

Didn't want to 'rain on your parade', but it's not even a literate draft. I refuse to believe that Lindelof would write something like this. I understand your contention that it was (might have been) written by someone who has perhaps seen a rough cut of the movie but all I can infer from this woefully written .txt document is that it was written by someone who has seen the trailers for Prometheus and other extraneous material and has crafted a synopsis extrapolated from that. Nothing more.

Hey dumbass,
i've never wrote that fake script.
My fakes (and known as such coz i came clean very early that those were wrote to make some sense of what we've known so far) are KFS and PARADISE. So stop the BS campaign.
Also xenophobia sucks you fucking racist.

The fact that the names are different is irrelevant, names often change from draft to draft. Obviously this copy isn't written by Damon, but I'm willing to bet it's based on his draft. It has too many great ideas and details not to be. Way more than we've seen in all offically released material.

I'm not a xenophobe, BTW. I just think that if you're going to waste apparently a single afternoon of your life (judging by the quality of that "script," that's how long it took) writing a FAKE version of the movie you're dying to see, you should at least attempt to make it SOUND like it was written in the actual screenwriter's native tongue.

Seriously whats wrong with you?
Ive never wrote this long fake script.
KFS and PARADISE are not script they are just long synopsis made with only intention of making sense of all the infos we have.
They were never meant to be taken as REAL and official synopsis.
As for the rest, it's clear that you have some grudge against me for god knows what reasons.
You don't even have the honnesty to see that some points i made month ago in KFS by pure deduction revealed to be right on the money.
As for your personal attacks on the quality of my English or the way i should spend my life i found that quite amusing seeing how your rage makes you react.
Got no more time to spare for you bitch.
Now get lost.

Feline solution? The writer means saline solution. I now think this is a fake afterall and it's written by someone who's first language isn't English. They had me fooled there for a while. I don't think this is the script Harry is referring to. He must have a real copy. Surely he wouldn't make a mistake of that magnitude? Mind you, I just did.

This could be a fraud too, but if you're going to write one, at least make it read like it's a professional piece of work. That script was laughably awful, no way it was ever real with that kind of amateur dialogue and spelling errors.
But apparently it was enough to put one over on Harry!

Known as nineinchwonder aka Mark McAllister, the guys from AVPGALAXY found his profile on prometheusforum.net
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=42429.msg1306162#msg1306162
So please stop spreading false infos.

either tear the film to pieces. gush all over it. go asleep in theatre. and hold on to his review of the for so long. that we will be all saying where the eff is your review of this film?
or his review will blow hot and cold.
and I am not expecting that he will tear the film to pieces. why should harry care as he as always slated 20th Century Fox. except for cameron movies.

are all there :
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=42529.0
My checklist so far of theories proving to be right on the money :
Derelict class Engineer ship under the temple.
Giant Humanoid Engineers.
Ampules room is a DNA library.
Human crew Mutants.
Shaw "pregnancy" and surviving it.
Prometheus crashing into the Derelict class ship taking off to Earth.
Read the rest at you own risk.

You do understand what extrapolate means?
The concepts and ideas expressed in this 'screenplay' are not presented in anything approximating a 'ground-breaking' fashion. It also regurgitates tired reiterations of characters we have witnessed many times before. I cannot stress 'tired' enough.
If you wish to indulge in a fervent hope that this will be the movie (based on a frankly infantile screenplay) that you want to see from Ridley Scott this Summer, then I can only conclude that your standards are substantially lacking when it comes to witnessing thoughtful and engaging cinematic fare.

A few posts of yours back you thought the translator had heard ''array'' and written it incorrectly. ''Orrery'' is a real word for a mechanical model of the solar system. I haven't read the script but I assume the, ah, ''scriptwriter'' is using it to describe the big blue holographic model of the galaxy/universe/whatever that we've seen Fassbender's character discovering.
I say all this not to be a correcting douchebag, but because I fucking love the word ''orrery'' and want everyone to use it more often.

I'll admit, I actually kind of sort of liked the first episode of "Ain't It Cool" more than I thought I would. In a weird way, it made me nostalgic for what this site used to be. But now, not only will I never trust another bit of info presented by Harry in any future episode (or write-up), I'll never watch another episode ever again. I was on the fence, but now you've completely lost me. I mean, how does someone screw-up something *this* bad in the first of episode of a supposed passion project? As crude as banned_dirty_ape was earlier, everything he said was true. Harry is simply a child, who has never matured, not as a person or journalist, in the long history of this troubled site. It really is sad. I haven't visited Ain't It Cool News on a regular basis in years, and this incident only confirms why. I was there in the beginning - back in '96 - but consider me done with Harry and this site for good. Quint, you should jump ship before this place sinks completely.

There's just so many other mistakes in the script, like 'feline solution!'. I just thought he was referring to the array as being the cannon-type thing the space-jockey is sat on in the first Alien movie. That room is also used for the Orrery in this movie. So, it's easy to see how I got confused ;0)

...while I was on the can a couple of weeks ago.
I knew it was fake by the time I got to the 2nd page...but kept on reading...you know, so I had something to read whilst on the can.
The real kicker was //FAKE SPOILER ALERT// the rape of Shaw by Holloway, when it's pretty clear from the trailers that they're together //END FAKE SPOILER ALERT//.
I'm still holding out hope that this is not the script that Harry read.

I totally agree with you. Sadly, Harry The Idiot is not a humble man and never, ever admits to, or apologises for, a mistake.
His usual stance is simply to ignore it ever happened. In recent times he has adopted the approach that any error was an intentional in-joke. In the past he has actually gone so far as to place the blame squarely on someone else (the infamous Oscar nominations incident for example).
Does the above behaviour remind you of anything? To me it sounds like the actions of a teenager. It wasn't me, Miss! A big boy told me to do it.
And this as I've said before, is Harry The Idiot's problem. He is just immature. I don't have a problem with anyone remaining a child at heart as long as they act like an adult when they have to, accept their responsibilities and obligations. Knowles never does. He is not just a child, but the worst kind of child. A spoilt one.
You won't get an apology.

At least acknowledge the gaffe and move on. Ignoring the err on behalf of the sites creator is showing a serious lack of respect to all parties involved.
Harry if you shit yourself, have the decency to clean yourself up afterwards

Ya gotta wonder if he's read this or if he's totally oblivious at this moment.
I know he was around when he first put it up and a little while after that because he got mostly positive reviews and chimed in once or twice. It wasn't until hours later that the shit hit the fan.
But knowing Harry, I doubt he even gives a shit if the script is fake or not.

Yo're absolutely right. Harry The Idiot loves to read the sycophantic stuff praising him to the skies but switches off as soon as their is any negativity.
That just shows what I've been saying for a long time now. This site is no longer about movies or TV or comic books. It is about Harry Knowles. That is all Harry The Idiot is interested in and has nothing but contempt for anything or anyone else.

in that leaked script draft.
A LOT of writers dictate drafts and WRITE later drafts. Do not be surprised if you all turn out to be wrong just because you couldn't recognize software problems like
mind grain
instead of
migraine.
Software. I'm tellin' ya.
Even the best dictation software these days makes constant errors like that. And the result reads like something written by a 12 year old. Which is why these are not often shared with the public.

First of all, DVD is dead folks. It is an outmoded model, though I'm sure his column talks Blu-ray too and just keeps the title for nostalgia.
Secondly, every single one of you bashes his reviews...then demands his DVD reviews! Seriously, what's the deal?
It's not like there aren't a fucking BILLION other dvd/BD review sites on the internet folks. The only reason Harry even does it is so he can put in amazon links and make money off the clicks.
Just go to blu-ray.com and be done with it already.

lacks critical analytical skills. He cannot even break down a film into its component parts. most film reviewers do this.
Harry is so naive if he thinks movie studios are really going to hand him over a script about the biggest sci fiction film in 35 years. 20th century plugged the leak gap back in the late 1990's when the shut down all the buffy fan sites who were leaking scripts all over the place.
in its recent access all areas piece about Prometheus. Empire were kept in the dark about story details. they said the giant metal head was the greatest thing they ever saw on a film set. it was 30 feet high.
Harry has not mentioned the old geezer. who is the old geezer. not even the cast can talk about that. if you want to find out who the old geezer. is watch the film in june?

I like the column simply for the fact that it gets film fans to congregate and talk about the films released that week (or two or three or four)
Hell I even read harrys thoughts about them, but never has he swayed me or convinced me to check something out.
And yes i do read bluray.com for the technical reviews.

I am finding it improbable. Then again, drafts can be VERY messy and VERY VERY bad sometimes. Mine always are, and I only have maybe one final draft that I consider completely finished out of.... shit... 20- 25 incomplete works. I only do it for fun, but they are far better than this junk. That's not to say that it's as bad as some of you are making it out to be, but it's not good.
I would say there's still, even if someone changes the file name to include the word *fake* and adds text to the top, a 25% chance that this is a real early draft.
It reads as dictation to me, and I have read a lot of computer-dictation documents. Same mistakes, same feel.
I'm waiting for actual confirmation from the source to pass judgment and even then..... who would claim this??? I don't think we can ever know for sure. Anyone could also claim to have written it.

isn't going to do it for me (or anyone with half a brain) any more than just SAYING this is real... or fake... is going to do it for me.
First... I never said *translation error* I said Dictation Software.
I have read a LOT of documents that were *written* using various dictation software and the errors I'm reading are consistent with the errors you see in dictation software.
Mind grain being the one that really sticks out like a sore thumb. And FELINE could have been an error in the way the software heard the word SALINE. Especially if the person doing the dictation spoke it as Say-line instead of say-leen.
This is seriously some truly DERP, obvious stuff to anyone who has used that kind of software. But you guys enjoy yourselves. It's fun.

Debunked by whom? I'm most likely reading the same stuff you are and so far all I see is OTHER people simply stating that it is fake. I wouldn't say either until I hear something from the source, and considering how bad it is.... not fully even then. I wouldn't claim that.

That's straight from the source.
Even if this is somehow an earlier draft of the PROMETHEUS script, although it's doubtful because it's only 79 fucking pages, it's pretty much useless to review because of the overhaul Lindelof and Scott did on the story.

He was obsessed with how the supposed space travelers of the franchise should travel using "chilled feline solution." Don't ask me. But that's one of several things that got him caught. That and being a fucking terrible writer.

It made no sense that the would name give a name like Zeus to an insginificant planetoid. LV-426 is a reference number because there would be so many planets and planetoids in this faux universe, it would be impossible to give them all names.

Harry Knowles, you claim to be a lover of movies. You also have I believe a huge collection of screenplays.
So my question to you is, how on Earth could you be duped into believing the Prometheus screenplay you had was genuine?
First off, I don't believe the excuses that some people are making on your bahlf about the typos. No professional screenwriter - Lindelof included - is going to submit a screenplay that hasn't been proof-read and corrected properly. Sorry, but that just doesn't happen.
Secondly, didn't the absurdly short running length wake you up? Heck, you don't need to have read Robert McKee to know the general principle that one page of a script equates broadly to one minute's screen time. Now, given that Prometheus is a major tentpole release for Fox, director by one of the biggest film-makers working today, and not a self-financed indie movie, didn't you think it was od that a movie shot from this screenpaly would have come in at the one hour twenty mark?
But the biggest sin of all is your failure to pick up on the risable dialogue which makes George Lucas look like Robert Towne.
So, seriously, Mr Knowles, how did you not spot this fake a mile off?
In my view there are only four possible answers to this, which are as follows;
1. You may have a big collection of screenplays but you just never read them. Like the vast collection of DVDs you have, many of which you blatently havent ever watched (Rebecca for example), you just love to have a huge collection but never actually do anything with it. It is also pretty clear from your writing (if you can describe it as such) that you are not a big reader. So perhaps you just thumbed through Prometheus and grabbed a few points out of it.
2. Again because you are not a great reader (indeed perhaps you actually can't read - frankly this wouldnt shock me) perhaps you got someone to read and paraphrase it for you - someone like your wife Patricia who possibly has only ever seen a screenplay when she has been dusting your collection for you.
3. You knew full well it was a fake but hoped you could con your audience for your video feature that you had something substantive. Without the hook of Prometheus, your video would have had nothing of interest and you personally never have anything good to contribute to the site these days, so perhaps it was just a scam. In which case that shows you really have no respect for yourself or your readership.
4. The final alternative is that you are just an idiot.
I'm willing to bet you a steak dinner you won't reply to this post. In fact I doubt you will ever respond to any other point made by so many others in this TalkBack. But just be aware, if you don't, then option four is going to look ever more the most probable and you really will be exposed as Harry The Idiot.

I don't get it. Why ruin the experience of seeing the film for the first time? Everything is spoiled. It's not in any way analogous to reading a novel that's about to be adapted into a film. Novels are complete works (usually) in and of themselves that offer a unique storytelling experience. Screenplays are really just blueprints. They're not the finished product.

I'm getting sick of that passive aggressive tripe.
Are you content with every film you see? Every song you hear? Every meal you eat?
Harry might not have to live up to my high standards but he should at least fucking live up to his own. It's disrespectful to me, you, that guy, LisaB, his peers, his fellow mods, and most of all, himself.
He knows he thinks he can do better. He just doesn't give a fuck to try. At least that's the way it seems.

...I wanted to see if it was as good as we all hope it is. I'd still enjoy the hell out of the movie, even if I had read the real script beforehand. The trailer already kind of spoiled quite alot. It would be nice to stay spoiler-free for a change, but these movies always take so damn long to be released. The studios are always holding stuff back until the best possible release date. If they released a film as soon as it was ready then there wouldn't be any time for spoilers and leaks to come out.

The trailer looks great, but it's the story that will ultimately determine the overall quality of this film. People seem to be expecting or hoping for a science fiction masterpiece, but I'm afraid it will be more like Event Horizon or something like Sphere. Or Robin Hood. Which was entertaining but nothing very special. TDKR is the only movie coming out this summer which I expect to be great lol. I guess Assifucklives was right afterall.

Harry has completely lost it. Guy is beyond delusional...
Joe Peter Wilson ‏ @headgeek666 Are you not going to post anything about how you've actually reviewed a very fake script? Or was it a way to spam your video?
Harry Knowles ‏ @JoePeterWilson I am still not convinced, I figured ZEUS would change, everything syncs though
Damon Lindelof ‏ @headgeek666 Harry, I swear upon The Force and Geekdom itself that what you read is 100% bogus. I would never lie about this.

I wasn't aware my posts were mandatory reading. But as you are clearly drawn to them I can only offer my sincere apologies for putting you to sleep with my banal rantings. I do hope at least it was a peaceful sleep and that you had some nice dreams.
As I say, I am so sorry. To avoid such a situation occuring again, next time I'll ask your permission before I post anything, and run the first draft by you for approval too if you like?
Perhaps that way I can make contributions as substantive, original, cogent and interesting as your own.
Of course, you have set the bar pretty high, what with your brilliantly expressed theories on the origin of the Prometheus screenplay etc., but one can hope, one can hope.
In the meantime, until I have ascended to the level of perfection already attained by your good self, please feel free to skip right on past anything else I post. I am, after all, not worthy of being read by a mind as brilliant as yours.
Now, if you will excuse me I must take my leave as I have an overwhelming desire to laugh at the fact that WILLI is a term we English chappies use for COCK.

Poor Harry LOL
Now i wish i did wrote that script just to see Harry gets humiliated like this.
The worst is that harry was exited by a rather unsurprising and cliché story...
He's dumb and he got poor taste.

...the fake script was 'written' by someone on the film crew who saw some stuff, but not all...hence the shortness of the document.
The spelling of words like 'programme' lead me to believe he/she is of European origin.
Regardless, I place the IQ of the author at a level equal to the 2nd in command at ye olde Double-Y Chromosome Prison.

AICN isnt some fan-site run by a guy who holds down a day job somewhere. It is a commercial venture, with advertising revenue. And as such Harry The Idiot should by rights maintain it to a high standard, in order to retain existing followers and attract new ones.
Bit he doesn't give a shit. He is happy to put out sub-standard rubbish because he is a lazy, spoilt child. Simple things like checking spelling and grammar and facts should be standard if Knowles genuinely cared. But the fact is he has outgrown this site and wants to be doing other things but at the same time his ego is too big to pass it over to someone else, someone like maybe Montychristo who actually does seem to care.
In fairness AICN actually is pretty entertaining nowadays, if only to see how bad it becomes and to watch Harry The Idiot post things like his review of the Prometheus script. It literally is only this morbid fascination, and the talkbacks, that make this site worthwhile. Oh and stuff by Quint and Scorekeeper.

(Yes, I've seen it, long story. Nice job for a 15-year-old girl, albeit amateurish and forgettable. Harry clearly is in love with himself during his cameo. My biggest problem is that the film continues to try and force Harry's personal mythology about Austin somehow being the center of film culture. More like the apex of Carl's Jr or Sonic.)
Seriously though, Harry is not some media star. His TV gigs dried up aeons ago. This new venture is, uh, not going well. What the fuck else is he doing with his life?

It used to be filled with movie rumors, very early reports from screenings, script reviews, etc.
Now it's just cut and pasted studio press and releases that are a few days old, contests and screenings that are studio based and links to Amazon.
It's really sad to watch because this used to be THE premiere movie site to go to.

And that is why folks like me and Antonio_bannederas have nothing but for contempt for Harry The Idiot and why we are so pissed off about how he has dragged this once amazing site down into the gutter.

This actually made me involuntarily yell, "Oh my god!!!"
It's like he's in the kind of denial people who predict the end of the world on a particular day typically exhibit the next day.
I admit that I'm revelling in the kind of Schadenfreude one usually only dreams about.

Ok guys - leaving aside actual writing talent - who here thinks they might be able to have a stab at putting together a fake screenplay for, say, The Amazing Spider-Man, Dark Knight Rises, The Avengers and Men in Black 3????
Hmm..... that sort of thing might be difficult for someone slack jawed yokel but to any proper movie buff who has seen those trailers I doubt they would find it very hard to cobble something together which would at least superficially resemble the preview footage.
Maybe if this bogus Prometheus screenplay had surfaced before the trailer then fair enough but as it clearly didn't only a total and utter moron would be confused about how it would seemingly follow the trailer.
Ladies and gentleman, I give you Harry The Idiot.

& can't be arsed too either.
I'm too busy with my re-write of 'The Man of Steel' script.
Kal-el takes flight from the planet Zeus. He is being pursued by 4 minions of the Ninja Turtle race, robotic shapeshifters with the power to lay huge eggs. Once disturbed these eggs hatch to reveal Eddie Murphy heads on wheels that can destroy planetoids with a single bite.

And if, after you've done that, you aren't absolutely gobsmacked that Harry thought that fucking thing was real, I highly recommend you take a full bottle of barbiturates after a night of heavy drinking.

Hey Harry, I thought you might like this exclusive scoop for your site. I've just read the Avenger's script and thought I'd give you a precis of one particular scene; the end sequence in fact.
Remember in the trailer, Iron Man says "I'm bringing the party to you" and is followed by that giant metal snake thingy? Well I can now tell you it really IS an actual party. All the Avengers put on party hats and grab onto the tail of the giant snake, to form a massive conga line. The invading aliens are so taken by this that they drop their weapons and they, too, join the conga. Then they all gather at Avenger's Mansion where Jarvis feeds them all cake and jelly and they all become the best of friends.
The very final shot is Captain America doing a thumbs up and winking at the camera (the screenplay directly refers to the old 60s Cap cartoons here).
I don't know the provinance of this screenplay but I'm certain it is genuine cos it follows the trailer so closely.

Hey Harry here is the ENTIRE screenplay of the new Batman movie for you to summarise as an exclsuive for your site:
Fade In.
Ext. Gotham City. Night
BANE and BATMAN slug it out with those BIG INFLATABLE PADDLE things they sell in joke shops. Bane socks Batman around the head, and whilst he is dazed, drops a BANANA SKIN on the floor. Batman slips over on this banana skin and lands with his legs spread akimbo. Bane delivers a nasty kick right into Batman's groin.
BATMAN
Aaaghhh! My goolies!!!!
BANE
When Gotham is in ashes… you have my permission to die.
One of Bane's HENCHMEN runs up to his boss.
HENCHMAN
Sir, Gotham is in ashes.
Bane pulls out a GUN and shoot Batman in the head at point blank range.
Fade Out.
Harry, I'm sure that you will be as convinced as I am that this is genuine 'cos it follows the trailer and, wow, even actually uses some of the exact same dialogue. Of course it is a wee bit shorter than your average movie but you'll probably agree with me that this isnt significant at all.

yet Harry is still very curious...about a script that could have been pieced together from all the IMDB guesses about the plot that hit in December after the first teaser and even BEFORE the first teaser

Yep, I'm the same guy - originally damned_dirty_ape before Nerdling got the ban hammer out due to his insecurity (I had the nerve to say he wasn't the world's greatest writer).
I was also banned by Capone for making a joke about the trashing of Chicago in Transformers Dark Of The Moon (I made some comment about how the Decepticons demolish half the city and cause millions of dollars of improvements).
I was banned again earlier in the week and have no idea why. It doesn't take much and I'll be amazed if I survive in this name after all my posts about Harry's Prometheus script review.

I've been accidentally banned before. I emailed the mods of the stories I had recently talked on and asked if it was an accident. Sometimes the mods are nice enough to check their history and one admitted he had accidentally banned me and he reinstated me very quickly after that.

My favorite was when my user name was Pope John Paul II (he was alive then) and I commented on some old character actor who killed himself. I said, "Yes, he was a marvelous actor, and he'll be sorely missed. Too bad he's in Hell now."
Because I was the Pope, see, and suicide is a mortal sin in the Catholic church. Does AICN respect the Pope's infallibility? Guess.
BANNED!

...there was a post from the administrator apologizing for all the technical difficulties the site had been experiencing at the time. I said I understood, but what I didn't like were the banner ads with sound that were running then. I recommended they reconsider their policy regarding such a thing.
BANNED!

*"I live in a magical world of make-believe and cool toys, look at my cool toys and stuff you don't have"
*"I have this stuff and enjoy my fantasy basement lifestyle with twinkly music of wonder"
*"My dad rolls the tape for me"
*"Those mean talkbackers/Boilers are just being stupid - 'Michael' (first name basis? really?) is a great guy and Ninja Turtles is in excellent hands!"
He's become a delusional shill. Except now he's just lost in his own fantasy world where he is relevant, everyone's just a hater and these people all really, really like him. That's what turns me off about the otherwise charming production. It's how Harry actually thinks and exists, and as the history of the site and Harry's "career" tells us, it's nowhere near as innocent as all of that. See: Toy Story 3, etc

and the ONLY proof I can find that this DRAFT is fake is that someone on some forum basically said...
*yeah, this is a confirmed fake*
CONFIRMED WHERE?
And don't point me to another link to someone else saying the same thing.
Come on. This could very easily be a BAD, early draft. And I still say that if someone stole a horrible, early draft from me and I was asked if it were real or not, I'd deny it. Without question, and you can bet that a professional would do the same. No-one has any business having a copy of this if it is real.

UPDATE: Oh, it turns out that Harry Knowles seems to have mistaken a hoax Prometheus script for the real thing. On his site, he admits this, but he writes "My passion for the ideas that the script put forth, which may or may not echo things in the eventual film is rock solid." I guess you can't trust mystery packages shat out by your magic house! Also, if you're Harry Knowles, shouldn't authenticating cool shit be the one thing you're good at?

I just hate that he's the type who refuses to attempt to improve himself despite all evidence that such a thing is crucial. He's still exactly the same person he was when this site was started - hell, probably the same person he was when puberty started. He has willfully refused to grow intellectually or emotionally. His defiance is part of his identity - his limits define who he is.
And then this comes along, and his limits make him a laughingstock among a much larger audience than those among whom he's usually a laughingstock. Will he allow this experience to be of learning?
Place your bets.

Who gives a shit Harry. Why don't you use that contact with Lindeloff to do some solid reporting and confirm the script's authenticity in advance of making it "news". This site reports false and late news all the time as of late. Stop trying to be a marketable "personality" and bring the site back to the style you started it out with. It's a shadow of what it once was. A sign of egos getting way too inflated. Less drinks with Lindeloff...more time at work Harry.

I mean, it's not like he has anything even resembling shame. If he did he wouldn't write like a retard after being told again and again that it insults his readership and speaks ill of him that he does so.

That as a result of all this you were going to drop weight and you were going to dance with your wife, and that you were in physical therapy, and you were going to be a leaner, meaner Harry and that even though you'd be smaller, the cartoons in the corner would remain the same fat Harry?

We don't want to hate Harry. But as he is the "managing editor" of what is supposed to be a reputable source for movie news, we all would hope that he would not share unsubstantiated bullshit.
I think this all smells really fishy, considering he used this same page on the site to promote his new video series. One has to wonder if he generated a false story to lead folks back to this page to potentially boost his video's viewership. Say it ain't so Harry!

Eh..I think you give too much credit to Harry there. He's not gonna make up some BS story to boost hits. One-that's pathetic. Two-it wouldn't work. Who in their right mind would trust him again with a so called scoop. If anything, he's ruined the rep of the site and the show in its inaugural episode.
That said, he's explained himself and threw himself on his sword, rather than ignoring his mistake as he is wont in the past. That's all I asked for (besides the fucking DVD column!!).
And with that, he will keep me around another day.

Not to be an asshole dude, but why do you have to be constantly full of shit? Why didn't you drop the fucking weight? Why aren't you walking yet? Why have you become such a fucking hack? Nobody on THIS site is buying for a single second that you did MONTHS of digging. Had you done even an hour of digging, on your own goddamned talkbacks you would have realized how full of shit that script was. Dude, you were duped, it happens. No big deal. But to then rationalize it in that way...it just makes everyone look at you with a serious WTF face. Deep down inside we all love you Harry. This site used to be the shit, and in some ways(mainly because of the talkbacks) it still is. This site used to have script reviews(real ones, detailed ones, etc), insider info, and leaks out the ass about upcoming movies. What the FUCK happened?
Dude, why in God's name have you been promising us changes to the sites and talkbacks for years, with NO change in site. Why do you bother keeping the same background and archaic lack of edit features? Is it because you believe it harkens back to the past and it would be selling out if you changed it? Because, honestly dude, as of the last few years this site has felt pretty sell-outish. And as cool as you are in some ways, you seem more and more deluded by the month. You're always selling us some bullshit dude. Just be straightforward with us. You didn't do months of digging. Nobody on this fucking site it stupid enough to think you did. And if you did, you're the most inept goddamned detective I've ever seen in my goddamned life. I'm not trying to bust your balls, and I fully realize you might fuck me with the large cock-of-banlieness. I'm just trying to spit some truth your way man. Also if you're not fucking 100 lbs lighter by this time next year, you're an asshole. MAN THE FUCK UP.

Not to be an asshole dude, but why do you have to be constantly full of shit? Why didn't you drop the fucking weight? Why aren't you walking yet? Why have you become such a fucking hack? Nobody on THIS site is buying for a single second that you did MONTHS of digging. Had you done even an hour of digging, on your own goddamned talkbacks you would have realized how full of shit that script was. Dude, you were duped, it happens. No big deal. But to then rationalize it in that way...it just makes everyone look at you with a serious WTF face. Deep down inside we all love you Harry. This site used to be the shit, and in some ways(mainly because of the talkbacks) it still is. This site used to have script reviews(real ones, detailed ones, etc), insider info, and leaks out the ass about upcoming movies. What the FUCK happened?
Dude, why in God's name have you been promising us changes to the sites and talkbacks for years, with NO change in site. Why do you bother keeping the same background and archaic lack of edit features? Is it because you believe it harkens back to the past and it would be selling out if you changed it? Because, honestly dude, as of the last few years this site has felt pretty sell-outish. And as cool as you are in some ways, you seem more and more deluded by the month. You're always selling us some bullshit dude. Just be straightforward with us. You didn't do months of digging. Nobody on this fucking site it stupid enough to think you did. And if you did, you're the most inept goddamned detective I've ever seen in my goddamned life. I'm not trying to bust your balls, and I fully realize you might fuck me with the large cock-of-banlieness. I'm just trying to spit some truth your way man. Also if you're not fucking 100 lbs lighter by this time next year, you're an asshole. MAN THE FUCK UP.

I actually already stopped visiting this site last week. The only reason I came here today was because I got tipped off that Harry had so humiliated himself and his website that mass exists were inevitable. I wanted to give a proper goodbye because there are posters here I admire. Choppah, D. Vader, Killik, Asimov...and there are posters I can't stand. Lisa B and Creepythin, both irredeemable trolls who have no value and continue to poison the talkbacks with their ignorance and stupidity.
I decided to stop supporting Harry's site because the "journalism" here is a joke. It's been a joke for a very long time. I first started visiting this place in 1997, and I remember Harry's geek love of cinema was charming and noble. But there came a point where you realized that he'd sold his soul to Hollywood...free jet rides to movie studios to hob knob with Hollywood royalty, to get his geek cinema bag filled with goodies. His reviews became more and more hard to read, more and more erratic, and more and more full of shit. I ignored him for the most part and tried to focus on the talkbacks, the only thing on this wretched website worth a damn. AICN doesn't even report on movie news anymore, certainly not cool news...they heap effusive coverage on certain films, like the bigger Hollywood blockbusters, but wont even report on a smaller beloved filmmaker like PT Anderson, who's film The Master was recently given a release date after PT had gone through hell trying to get it made. He's a great filmmaker, a cool filmmaker, and I thought that was cool news. AICN didn't, apparently. They'll even be so late reporting on things that it's laughable. That's not news, that being in an echo chamber.
Either way, this site his taking too much of my energy and it's energy best spent somewhere else. I go to Collider.com now because they report on EVERYTHING, I miss nothing. I go go chud.com for intelligent discussion on movies. The writers on that site make Harry look like a retarded chimp...well, my 5 year old niece makes Harry look like a retarded chimp. I hate kicking people while they're down, but this "scoop" on Prometheus is inexcusable, and I seriously hope this is the final straw the breaks the camel's back. Yes, I want this website to fail, for them to lose most of their traffic and have to shut down, because it's worthless. It's a half run operation and an insult to movie geeks.
Anyway, I wish you guys well in your travels. May the road rise up to meet you. May the wind always be at your back. May the sun shine warm upon your face, and rains fall soft upon your fields. And until we meet again,
May God hold you in the palm of His hand.

I'm not quite there, but I'm not taking this that serious. I happened to stumble on this site over a decade ago when I was like 12(I'm 24 now) using the internet at the public library and I come here a decent amount of time. But honestly, this is just embarrassing on Harry's behalf.

that this isn't a story about Harry being duped by a clever con-man and his brilliant fake script. This is Harry reading a shitty fan script obviously fake to anyone with a fucking brain beyond the first page, reading it, thinking, "seems legit" and writing a glowing review of this screenplay. This screenplay which was obviously written by someone not yet beyond puberty and for whom English is not a first language.
This should be enough to give the reins of this site over to people who can actually think and write.
You know, like Nordling. The guy who WOULD have written a review of John Dies at the End except he didn't understand it....
Oh, wait....

It's not enough to say "I'm just a passionate guy who loves movies! Don't hold me to any kind of standard of quality or upkeep!" after almost 20 years of this site.
If you insist on attempting to try to turn AICN into a brand - which will not happen - or on trying to refurbish your image to make the geek community or the industry take you seriously again - which will also never happen, as that moment is LONG past - then you have to actually PUT IN AN EFFORT.
The reason you've never made it, Harry, and never will, the reason these people pawn you off with little gifts here and there but you can't get any real traction, is because you just don't care enough to even take care of your own site or properly care for your own brand. It started here, with you. You can't even lie properly anymore.

this talkback is an epic 10,000 page soap opera! It doesn't matter if the script is fake. Harry's first video out of the gate was a great success. The quality of the content out-weighs the controversy about the script. So what if Harry occasionally falls for the fake shit that pollutes the internet? Remember when he posted that fake photo of Catwoman then someone in the talkback posted the stock photo that the fan used to modify in Photoshop? That was hillarious.
All the guys that bitch about this sight are just a bunch of whiners. There's a reason this talkback is epic in size. It's because people love AICN. This place is awesome still.

And I respect many of the talkbackers here.
Especially some I've been in so-called wars with.
Because some of the exact same people I've "warred" with I have also sided with.
It just goes to show diversity. We agree passionately on certain things...
And disagree just as passionately on others.

This site is as popular as ever. There's been almost 500 posts in this talkback today lol. Check out the articles at /Film. How many people post there? a couple dozen?
It looks like Harry listened to you guys that complained. There are more contributors now and a lot more content. The squeaky wheel gets the oil. Carry on!

I see you have chosen Rachel Weisz. Excellent choice there chop.
I'm going to say no fudgepackin' in this case. Mrs. (or is it Ms. now?) Weisz is too classy for that, and frowns upon the notion of a fudgepack no matter how much she might suddenly feel the desire for a manly meat missile to be loaded inside of her sweet warm pleasure silo.

And as predicated there is no sign of an apology, no mea culpa, nothing but a strained admission that he may have been fooled. As I stated yesterday, there was never any chance that Harry The Idiot would ever actually put his hands up to a mistake because the guy just isnt capable of doing so.
Knowles simply cannot stand to be seen to be anything but the movie expert he pretends to be. To be honest, I believe that, deep down inside, Knowles knows full well that he is a charlatan, and that he isnt anywhere near the authority in film he promotes himself to be. He is a massively insecure individual which is why he hides behind colourful shirts and wears a stupid beard. A shrink could probably write a whole book just on him if anyone could ever get Knowles on a couch (subject to being able to find a couch strong enough to take him that is).

Just for a moment, let's pretend that Prometheus screenplay Harry The Idiot read was actually genuine. Heck, I know that is hard to do - anyone who knows anything about movies would see if for the fraud it is from the first page - but indulge me for a moment guys.
So Harry is excited by the concepts of the screenplay. Fair enough. And you wouldn't really expect him to notice all the spelling errors, typos etc given that he has always just thought that grammar is the woman married to his grandfather. BUT - and here is my point - wouldn't you expect any decent review to mention the entirely risible dialogue? That speech by Captain Exposition for example where he introduces the entire crew in a soundbite. Or all that rubbish about the power core of the ship? I mean, this is a supposed expert on movies, a guy who purports to like a number of pretty darn serious and important films, and yet he can't distinguish good dialogue from bad?
And another thing; Knolwes actually gushes about the screenplay making reference to Giger's junked Dune designs. No professional screenplay makes reference to production design UNLESS it is absolutely essential to the story. This is common mistake amateur script writers make all the time, along with including detailed notes on camera moves, soundtrack etc. So even if Knowles still smell fake, should his review be critical of this sort of hack writing.
Remember, this was a REVIEW of the screenplay. Any proper review should surely highlight the apparent deficienies as well as the highlights. I don't pretend to be a movie expert like Knowles but I've read a large number of screenplays in my time (and a fair few books on writing scripts too) and I could have provided a far more balanced review for this - even if I loved the concepts and narrative stucture, I would have at the very least flagged up my (extreme) concerns over the dialogue. And yet Knowles doesn't. In fact he jjst gives this a total thumbs up. Its the Phantom Menace all over again. Mesa loves it.
So to me the fact that Knowles was duped isnt the most important aspect of this episode; what is, is the fact that Knowles clearly has no ability to actually identify a bad screenplay from a good one.
Or perhaps he can. Perhaps Knowles did read this and noticed the myriad issues that just about every TalkBacker has cited. But maybe, just maybe he wanted to suck up to Fox (note how he name-checks studio boss Tom Rothman) in an effort to get some owesents and maybe asked to host a few screenings. And think how popular the latter would make him - this is Ridley Scott's return to the SF genre and it is going to be huge! Harry's ass would be kissed from here to the planet Zeus if he was able to host a few screenings. And he would be heralded again as a serious voice within the film community for being able to pull off such a coup. And that, more than anything, is what Knowles desires.
So in summary perhaps it is us that has been duped all along. Maybe Harry The Idiot isnt as stupid as we think. Maybe he is just a manipulative self serving immoral bastard who would do anything to increase his popularity and standing.

I'm not sold on the script... The planet at the start of the trailer seems a lot more like prehistoric Earth to me.
I think the glyphs all point to a star system and on arrival there - the ship and crew traverse a wormhole which throws them back through time and space to land on prehistoric Earth where they find the ancient space-jockey ship. The awakening of the space jockeys and genetic code rewriting goo gives way to the birth of mankind - ironically this is through man's own cre8ion.
Big things have small beginnings..? The search for our beginning may lead to our end..?
There is the theory of the moebius... Thanks for reading.

Well, golly... at least I didn't get the spitful-little-fucker vitreol you came up with for antonio_bannederas.
But even so I don't need to getover myself, thank you. I am well aware of my total insignificance in the Universe. I have a son, a partner and a cat who all love me and would miss me when I pop my clogs, but beyond that I am a mere spec on this planet.
What I do have, though, is self respect, honor and humility. If I ran a commercial website and promoted myself as being an authority on movies - and used both vehicles to point an audience in the direction of a movie I had reviewed (in this case via a screenplay review) I like to think I'd have the good grace to own up to my mistake and to apologise, to the customers/clients/readers (call them what you will) of this site AND to my colleagues for bringing the site into disrespect.
Now perhaps Harry has apologised already to the other Moderators on this site - doubtful, but I accept it may have happened behind the scenes. But he sure as hell hasn't put his hands up to the readership here. What he has done is said that Prometheus is going to absolutely rock and whilst that may well ultimately be the case he has based his opinion on a falsehood.
I am one of Harry's biggest detractors for a number of reasons - I won't bore people with reciting them again here but they are all cogent and not just blind hatred - but you know what, I'd have had quite a bit of respect if Harry had been honest, put his hands up to the fact he'd been duped and maybe scrubbed the review entirely. Hell, we're all human - even you I suspect - and we all make mistakes. Mistakes I can forgive, but not Harry's arch refusal to ever admit it when he screws up. That just gives further weight to my theory that he thinks he is something special, a movie expert beyond reproach and incapable of error.
I appreciate that on the trailer park you were raised by your mum and a series of uncles, things like humility probably were not taught to you which is why you didn't understand suggestion that Harry should make an apology. But just so you know I was asking for a collective apology to all of AICN not just to me.
So perhaps rather than just dishing out insults and defending Harry you should consider changing your name to Talkbacker With No Brain. Or have I already made that pun before? If I have then I apologise. Did you see what I did there?

First of all,Cameron didnt lower the production value,the studio gave him a limited budget of18m,less than he had hoped for to make the movie that he had visualized.But even then,he managed to pull out a magnificent movie of a grander scale than its predecessor.
As for the watered down aliens part,Cameron has already given his answer about that:
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Kelly Godel deplores the Aliens as "lame, weak and shameful follow-ups to their predecessor." A careful analysis of both films would show that the adult warrior (my term for the single adult seen in ALIEN) has the same physical powers and capabilities in ALIENS as it did previously. Since the Nostromo crew were unarmed, with the exception of flamethrowers (which we never see actually used against the creature), the relative threat was much greater than it would be to an armed squad of state-of-the- art Marines. One, crazed man with a knife can be the most terrifying thing you can imagine, if you happen to be unarmed and locked in a house alone with him. If you're with 10 armed police officers, it's a different story.
We set out to make a different type of film, not just retell the same story in a different way. The Aliens are terrifying in their overwhelming force of numbers. The dramatic situations emerging from characters under stress can work just as well in an Alamo or Zulu Dawn as they can in a Friday the 13th, with its antagonist.
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And you know,he is right,i have said the same thing in the various alien discussions here.

a species bio-engineered by accident by the humans or on purpose by the Space Jockeys to destroy the humans,and not as a product of a long-standing evolution process which took place in some completely alien,hostile world which the humans cant even imagine how it looks like.
Let's hope that this is not what is going to happen in Prometheus.but i doubt it.

Didn't that guy assure us for months and months that LOST was all planned out ahead of time, that ending was what they were working for all along, etc., only to finally fess up that they had just the first season sussed out and the rest was made up as they went along? Sorry, I wouldn't trust that guy again if he told me the sky was blue...

Part of the terror of Alien comes from our fear of the unknown and incomprehensible. That is ne of the main things that makes the alien so scary. That said, the idea that they are bioengineered weapons has been around since the original film, I seem to remember Ash even comes out and suggests it in the novelization. The film strongly hints at the fact that the Space Jockeys at least farm or distribute these creatures and gigers philosophy and art springs directly from the concept of machines giving birth to biological entitys. I prefer origins to be kept secret, I find that scarier, but If they are bioengineered weapons, I can't claim that's not cannonical with the original film and concept.

nopre,you are wrong,it is not canonical with the original film.
Aliens are organic species whereas the Space Jockeys are bio-mechanical.This is pretty clear in the movie.
There is not even a hint about the origin of the aliens in the first movie.You can speculate about this thing but these speculations are not canon.Well until Prometheus comes out.

He read a fake script. So what? It was debunked within a few hours. He should apologise for being duped? He should only apoligise he he did it knowingly and even then who gives a shit? It's no big deal. You just want to watch him squirm for your own amusement over something so petty and that is why I have a problem with you and all the shit you write. You choose to come here day in and day out and have admitted to being banned from here at least 3 times (once this week), so quit your whining about who deserves apologies.
ha you really didn't just do a "you grew up in a trailer park" insult, did you? Save the americanisms for someone who was raised there. They will have a better chance of having the effect you desire.
Self respect, honor and humility? haha fuck off, monkey boy!

I've just read it and there are some interesting changes you might want to post as scoops on your web site. They are;
1. In this version, Parker doesn't get his powers from a spider bite. In fact he gets a hickie from a radioactive Gwen Stacy.
2. As a consequence, in addition to the classic spider powers, he also grows man-boobs and gets PMT.
3. Curt Connors is NOT the Lizard in this but turns himself into a human intestine called The Gizzard.
4. Gone is Uncle Ben's famous With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility speech. Now a much modernised Ben simply tells Peter to stop leaving all that web shit all over the fucking house.
5. Aunt May has a nude scene.
6. The script describes Spidey's mask in great detail. In particular, it mentions that the eyes should move and be expressive exactly like the 60's cartoon.
7. The mask thing ties into the final shot where Spidey, in full costume, winks at the camera.
8. The Spider-Mobile features heavily in the movie (doubtless for merhcandising reasons Spidey needs a car) although in this version it isnt invented by Reed Richards but by Aunt May (whilst she is naked).
9. Peter has a small dog (described in the script as being like Gizmo in the first Transformers movie). Originally called Rover, after apeter gets his own powers he makes a little costume for the dog and re-names him Spider-Dog.
10. This script gives Spidey the dry wit he has in the comics which was so absent from the Raimi movie. For example, when The Gizzard dies at the end Spidey says he had a lot of guts.
11. Spidey changes his web fluid to Pepsidol to defeat the Gizzard.
12. Early on in the movie, during flashbacks to Peter's parents, there is a scene where some kid gets his head stuck in a fish bowl. Flash forward to the end of post credit sequence and this kid is revealled as having grown up to be Mysterio, the villain for the next movie.
13. The are cameos in the movie by all of the Avengers, the X-Men, the Banana Splits and Jenny Agutter.
14. Not only do Spidey's new web shooters flash red when he fires them, but they also play a little tune like a doorbell.
15. Remember those little silver trainers Spidey seems to have attached to his boots? Those are explained in the script because Spidey's first attempt at a costume features stilleto heals but Parker decides he doesn't have the legs to carry them off hence the change to flat heals in the later version of the suit.
Its a great script and the film will be awesome. You will love it Harry!

Gosh, what a potty mouth. Does your mummy know you use words like that? Maybe dial it down a little next time eh? Something equally mature and pithy as "my dad is bigger than yours" should do the job.
Look, if you don't think Harry's reviews have damaged AICN then thats fine. But I stand by what I said. And the reason why I believe Harry needs to grow a pair and fess up is because I cannot stand people who have got celebrity status without earning it, and who think they are better than the rest of us. Harry has got his movie expert title almost entirely (but not totally) by default and his ego has grown accordingly. Articles like this expose him for what he really is but I think a lot of people who, like me, have become disenfranchised with him and AICN, would find some new respect if he just admitted he had cocked up.
I dont have to justify myself to you. If you dont want to agree with me, fine, but I'm not sure you have the right to lecture me on how I should express myself.
I'm flattered that you seem to be so familiar with my posts even though you clearly don't like them. You don't have to read them of course - and frankly I'm sure you could use your energy more constructively anyway; writing love poems about Harry Knowles for example, or a session of furious masturbation. You certainly seem to be up for the former and I suspect are well qualified and experianced in the latter given that you come across as a bit of a wan..... ah, nope, not going to stoop to your level. I retract that.
But I bet my dad is bigger than your dad.

quote aboive: "Dan O’Bannon’s script was a mix of It! The Terror from Beyond Space and Planet of the Vampires with a touch of Lovecraftian cosmic Horror (O’Bannon was a Lovecraft fan and Alien resembles At the Mountains of Madness among other works)."
If you go that way, do some more research: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shivers_%28film%29

And to be honest I have never actually talked to any movie fan who didn't agree with this.
The term rollercoaster ride is a cliche these days but it really is a very appropriate way of describing Cameron's epic movie.
I applaud Cameron for goi g a totally different route with this rather than just maki g an obvious claustraphobic follow up to Scott's movie.
I try and watch Aliens at least once every three months, especially when I'm feeling down. No other movie gives me that kind of rush.
I hardly ever talk in those ridiculous absolute terms where people shout "fact" on things which are subjective. But I have to make an exception here. Aliends is an AWESOME movie. Fact!!!!!

Apologies for my multiple erronious post - no idea what the hell happened there but if I could have edited the post I could have amended it so I didn't look as if I had a stutter.
Still, I'm sure all those extra unnecessary posts from me will keep Talkbacker WithNo Name happy. He/she/it/them is my biggest fan and just loves reading everything I write.

which looks like a woman with her legs spread and in the middle there is the vagina-like entrance.Inside the derelict there are hundreds of eggs and someone from the Nostromo crew gets "impregnated" with one of them.The whole sequence on LV426 reeks with these sexual metaphors.dont you agree?
As for the Alien itself,if i am not mistaken in the original Giger drawing from his Necronomicon book,it had a vagina with a penis in it.And then there is the scene where the Alien,with its phallic-like head, supposedly "rapes" Lambert.
I think there are a lot of sexual undertones to be discovered in the Alien movie.

... and I didn't want to sound harsh and question your knowledge in movies. So sorry for that.
Of course we could discuss now for a very long time if there is a subtext regarding the "Alien" creature (I think, there is) but all in all it's a very sunjective thing how to interprete certain themes and motives in movies and i am sure we both would have good idead and theories to undergrid our arguments.
To make it short: although i am not a big fan of psycho-analytic interpretation in the case of Alien and Shivers I found so many parallels regarding a Freudian point of view and thought that there is such a similar subtext, that i really wondered. And looking for evidences, that there may be a connection between those movies (not only in an abstract analytic way) I found this statement here:
"The most interesting revelation has to do with a similar movie. The parasite in this movie is about the size and shape of a. . . well, let's just say it's rather Freudian. In any case, there are scenes where it leaps onto faces and where it bursts from victim's exploded bellies. That, plus the apartment complex name ("Starliner") makes it an easy leap to Dan O'Bannon's parasite story, ALIEN. In fact, when Cronenberg showed this movie at a German film festival several years after it was made, a German audience member stood up during a question and answer period afterwards and accused Cronenberg of ripping off ALIEN. When Cronenberg pointed out that SHIVERS was made (1975 vs. 1979) years before ALIEN and that Dan O'Bannon has admitted that he saw SHIVERS before he wrote ALIEN, the German said, "Ah. So now we know who the thief was."" http://www.feoamante.com/Movies/STU/shivers.html

While I don't agree with you on many of the points you raise, I have to say this was an eloquent summary of the movie.
I admire Aliens, but I don't re-watch it anymore. I'm not a hater of James Cameron because of his success, but I have become less enthusiastic with each subsequent movie he has crafted. After The Abyss, in my opinion, his films have very little you can be engaged by.
You should write for this site, Creepy. Hell, I can't be the only one who reads your posts...

There was a John Carpenter interview a long time ago (it may be on youtube) where he talked about how Dan O'Bannon had a lot of problems with his stomach, to the extent where had to have parts of his intestines removed. Carpenter kind of nods and says, "So, that's where the alien came from."

Well THAT was a new detail for me. But it's funny how many little and random coincidences may influence an authors story... not only other stories :D
Like Goethe might never have written his famous "Faust" if he hadn't sufferd - as dull as it may sound - of constipation. To cure it he did a lot of research regarding naturopathy and some mystical ideas which inspired him later to write his maybe most famous work :D

One thing what really worked in the first Alien movie, was the way the cast acted. The acting felt really natural and even though we never saw these characters before when first watching the movie after a really short time we had an almost complete image of their background in our minds without seein any flashbacks or stull like this... that is something which has become really rare, sadly.
And most important: I agree that explaining every bit of stuff, which has a touch of mystery in it, can easily destroy a whole franchise. Keeping certain things open to personal interpretations is not annoying imho and doesn't annoy the audience because they may "not get it"... it's more like a sign of respect for the audience to show: hey look, you are able to use your own brain ;)

Ah, this one doesn't begin with an 'A'.
Therefore, it just CAN'T BE an Alien movie.
I can't get those spelling mistakes out of my head since I read the script sitting on the Lava-Tree.
Its pretty good.

If they start talking about this on the television I'm going to have to start believing it was.<P>
Although I guess everything is up in the air here, since there hasn't been any actual DISCUSSION by AICN staffers!

That like Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skulls the subject matter of contemporary myth making will be treated too lightly. I dont know how we can conceive of insights into things like possible 'Ancient Aliens' that isnt overly hokey. I hope this thing does get a bit philosophically boring. At least get a few paint layers down into what could be possible. 2001 got it pretty right in its day. But to be as good as that you need to go a bit deeper into the thinking bits.

Because his comments hit too close to home?
Come on, this site allows so much other shit to fly in the talkbacks, I'll never understand that when this site makes a mistake and people pounce on it, that's grounds for banning.
Just like I said years ago, when someone gets banned, I think the mods need to come on the Talkback and *explain* the behavior that necessitated a banning. That serves as an example for the rest of us. Otherwise, we're all left wondering what someone did that was so wrong to deserve it, bc as of now, all the evidence has been erased.
And in my opinion, it makes the site look bad, not the talkbacker who was banned.

That people would openly root for the failure of Ain't It Cool before, during and after this. The last thing you'll get from me on this matter is a defense of Harry, as we owe it to ourselves as journalists to maintain some sort of integrity in our reporting. It's up to us to check our facts, double-check our sources, etc. Our reputation is everything, and anything we do to damage that is clearly no good. However, this isn't the first time someone hasn't done their due diligence, and it probably won't be the last, so all we can do is collectively learn from the mistakes of others in order to try to better our own approaches.
However, there's a damned if you do, damned if you don't mentality around here, particularly amongst the TBers... mainly because you want everything, yet at the same time nothing. I'm not going to make sweeping generalizations, but there's a segment of people who bitch that the site isn't what it used to be, that we aren't doing script reviews, breaking stories, producing the scoops that Ain't It Cool has been known for in the past. The simple answer to that is that the times have changed in the industry. Studios are extremely careful with how they handle their information. They want to be in control of what breaks, how it breaks and when it breaks, often filtering stories down to sites like Variety, Deadline, THR, where they know they'll get favorable coverage. They're doing everything in their power for Ain't It Cool and other sites to land that info first, where our opinions/perception may dictate how it's viewed by the masses.
Therefore, if we don't find some way around that, we're criticized for it. If we cover those stories, we're criticized for it. If we write too little, criticism... if we write too much, criticism. There seems to be an inability for members of our readership to be pleased by anything we set out to do.
And I'm sure someone will be quick to point out that I've only been a contributor here for a short time... but I've been a daily reader of Ain't It Cool since 1997. There's always been standard made and held by the readership for the staff to have to follow, because excellence should be expected and deserved if you're going to spend your time frequenting a site. However, that standard has become increasingly impossible to please. It's amazing to me that some people would actively root for this site to fail. They wouldn't just walk away from the site, no longer supporting its direction... no, they'd rather watch an entire online community of movie fans crumble, and for what...? For some type of sick satisfaction that what...? What exactly would that do for you?
Ain't It Cool News has always been built around the idea of movie fans gathering to talk movies. On the writing side, it's to be able to express us love, hate and feelings in between for all types of films, projects, directors, etc. On the reading side, it's to be able to have a place to get involved in the discussion, to interact with fans of all types from all over the place where there is no wrong answer and every opinion, no matter how ridiculous, still has a certain validity. We're not here to sell our souls, as some of you might like to believe, to the studios for any type of benefit. When we host screenings, it's because we want to gather a segment of our readership together to enjoy a movie we think you might enjoy. When we interview an actor or a director, it's because we find them interesting, and we want to share our candid discussions with others who might be interested enough to read them. When we cover certain news stories, it's because it's something we find interesting or think you might like to know. When we review, it's because we want to share our opinions of a film, and have it perhaps guide you from sharing in a film we enjoyed or staying away from a movie you'd be better off not seeing. I'm not going to pretend to speak for others, but I've never been paid for a review, offered anything for a review or leaned on for any type of review. My take on anything I see is my own honest perspective, and you can take it or leave it. That's entirely up to you. You can read it, because you agree with me. You can read it, because you disagree with me. Or you can choose not to read it period. However, don't think for a second that my words are being used to sell anything for anyone. If I love a film, I might go to bat for it, just like you would in telling your friend to check something out. You want it to succeed, because it's good, not because there's anything coming to you as a result. That's the same thing here. We support what we choose to support, and we don't support the other stuff.
In the event that I have been approached about how an interview is presented or how a story is written, I've passed on them entirely, because there are no outside influences that will ever dictate my voice. I'd like to believe that holds true for everyone who's a part of Ain't It Cool News.
I chose to come write for Ain't It Cool, because of this community that's been built. I chose to be a part of a site I still think is the gold standard for what other film sites choose to be. I strive to help make this site better every single day, and I root for it to succeed on every level, surpassing anything and everything it's been able to accomplish in that past. I hope you do, too. I'm not saying "love it or leave it," because it's the readership and its opinions that have helped build this site in the first place. However, to actively root against us for whatever "personal reasons" you feel is a bit unacceptable.
End manifesto.

You want the site and its staff to be seen as influential, substantive and relevant in geek culture and the industry - don't pretend Harry doesn't, because he's been rattling on about his and his friends' largely failed "projects" for years (sorry, those Masters of Horror episodes were pretty much shit) - but when you're called on flagrantly unprofessional behavior or journalism, like the pirating scandal from years back or this current hoax, there is NEVER a legitimate apology. NEVER any acceptance of blame or responsibility. Just a half-assed ambiguous reply, and another outright LIE - everyone on the Internet knows when Harry received this obvious fake Prometheus script. It's just that Harry wants to pretend there's some chance he might not have been duped, and tries to lie to our face.
You're right, Billy, the industry HAS changed since AICN started. So has AICN. Other sites have built some degree of professional standards and ethics - Harry's never had any. Whenever anything like this happens, Harry, you, and guys like you come out of the woodwork, whining and pleading and mewling about "passion" and "just being fans". "We're passionate! We just looove movies! Don't blame us if we can't get our shit together and act like we have a shred of professional integrity on a website that's still using an interface from 1999! We don't have time to update the site or take responsibility for failures because we're lost in the maaagical world of movies!" You know what? I love film too. It's my life. I work in film. I still have time to have some kind of standard for my professional behavior.
"The industry has changed" is not an excuse for this website basically turning into a sausage-making factory for a few studios. Harry's darling new vlog is basically just a series of product endorsements and advertisements. "Buy these collectibles as a grown man! Oh, and don't worry about Michael Bay who I'm a first name basis with! He's a great guy!" Do you really not see anything fucked about that approach, Bily? If you've commented here long enough you know what this place has become. It was never exactly a hub of journalistic integrity, but at least it didn't piss on my face after drinking the studio kool-aid and then try to tell me it was the renegade.
The bottom line, and you know this as well as I do, is that Harry's stock has fallen so far and he relies so heavily on ANY kind of free promotion from studios, that ANY kind of anonymous contact is considered newsworthy to him now. He has that little left of his own that has not already hit Collider or Deadline. He's constantly late on the big news or leaks because he can't be bothered to care. So of course he was behind the times on this Prometheus script hoax, Billy. Of course he published it, hoping people would respect him again, not even bothering to google it. And of course he lied to us about when he got it.
This site needs a complete change of management. Harry Knowles is never going to update the talkback interface or add an edit feature or anything else. All he cares about is his vaporware projects, promoting himself and pretending he's a cool dude people admire for his toys and presents. There hasn't been anything remotely admirable about Harry's persona in over a decade.

It's not that we are actively wishing for Harry and this site to fail, but rather we would like to see some improvement.
After many years of excuses and promises of a site overhaul, both technical and fundamental, with nothing to show for it, can you really expect us to be a bit unforgiving when amateur shit like this happens. A quick fact check would've squashed this and the tarnished rep would've been a little bit more glossy. Nope Harry ran with it--why? Because he's careless? Because he doesn't think? Because he's impulsive?
It really doesn't matter. Regardless, people just want the promises made by the mods fulfilled. The utter contempt by some to say that we aren't owed anything doesn't help either. This site, without the TBs would cease to exist. Don't believe me? Try it for a week.
I want to see this place thrive like it once was. It sometimes feels like I want it more than Harry. I hope that isn't the case but his (in)actions lately show to me that this might be the case.

...and I know from the past that Scott has the capacity to knock my socks off...he has done it in the past and I think he can still do it. I'm hoping that this is going to be as awesome as it has the potential to be. BTW....I thought that ALIENS was one of those rare sequels that was just as good (if not even better) than the original....and that is just my opinion...but I'm sticking to it.

A lot of what you say makes good sense and it is clear you are passionate about things, which is great.
But I think you're missing the point. The main reason why people have attacked Harry over this latest fiasco is simply because he was so easily fooled into believing what he had was genuine and then compounded his error by only begrugingly admitting to it. Sorry, but if - as was the case here - Harry is going to treat his readers with contempt then it is a bit much to ask us to treat him (and by association AICN) with respect.
The majority of people who have re-acted to Harry's Prometheus gaff have not, as you suggest, been rooting for you all to fail, we are simply rooting for people like Harry to put some effort in, which frankly he rarely ever seems to do these days. Bleat on all you like about how you do this for the love of movies and that you want to share the love, but AICN is a public site with commercial funding and which features work by people who claim to be professional movie writers.
And therein lies the rub. Sorry, but I find it a bit churlish of you to get upset when people react to major gaffs by someone like Harry when Knowles puts himself about as a professional movie expert. Sure, he hides behind the "Im just a geek" defense when it suits him to do so but othertimes he actively calls himself a professional writer, film critic and movie producer. So he is fair game as far as I'm concerned. Harry Knowles dropping the ball on a review is no different to, say, Andrew Stanton botching John Carter. They are the ones claiming to be professional and so it is perfectly appropriate to attack their work when it is sub-standard.
Look, nobody is perfect. Most people here accept that and very few people actually want AICN to fail. We just want it to get better. Yes, the landscape of the movie industry has changed from the late 90's and AICN and it's writers have had to evolve accordingly. But there is a difference between making an understandable goof and just publishing a poorly written, ill-researched piece of rubbish about a screenplay just about everybody else here - non-professionals unlike Harry - spotted as a fake from page 1. That is just sloppy and that is what people react to. When AICN gets like that it deserves all the flak it gets.
And boy did Harry get this one wrong. Not only could he not spot the script was a fake, he also couldnt see how terrible the dialogue was either! And then of course he tries to row himself out of the situation by claiming he had the script for months. Delivered to him personally by Brian Cox no doubt. When we get presented with that sort of ill-informed writing and obvious bullshit from a supposed movie expert then of course TBs will get angry.
To reiterate, people like me and Antonio Bannederas don't want AICN to fail. Quite the contrary in fact. We just get sick and tired of being fobbed off with sub-standard rubbish. And yes, we could of course just go elsewhere. But is that really what you want people to do? Leave AICN because the people who run the site no longer seem to make the effort to make the site good? That is a very dangerous game to play.
Surely it would be better to fix things? Thats all we ask.

I didn't read all of Creepy's posts, so I don't know what he said about anyone's family. I won't defend it, except to say that if anyone's family is brought up on the website and has been a part of it (Merrick's son, Harry's Dad and wife, etc), I think they are fair game to discuss.
As for the status of AICN, I don't know of anyone who actively wishes for it to fail. There are many people who complain, and I'm definitely one of them. I understand that this site can't be what it once was as the studios have finally learned how to crack down on the flow of information. I get that.
What I don't understand is how the contributors to this site report on days old, even weeks old news and not realize it. Many times they act like its bran new info for us, and its not.
I also don't understand how this talkback code HAS NOT BEEN FIXED for over a year since this site was hacked. Its been a year, and STILL they haven't fixed this code that deletes our posts every time we use quotation marks.
You know an easy solution? Put up a set of directions for everyone. Every day people use quotation marks, see their posts get deleted, and get pissed off about it and insult the website. And they're in the right. There's no excuse for the talkbacks still being in disrepair.
Anyway, I've got to run. I have other complaints about the site that would be an easy fix (checking sources before running with a story is just one easy thing to do), but they'll have to wait.
In short:
Fix the talkbacks (Harry said this was temporary, its been over a year)
Check your sources
Read other website and be in the know, stop reporting on old news other sites reported days earlier
But at the same time, I know people complain when you don't report on something everyone has. The fix? Report on it and apologize you were so late with it. Remain humble and you can gain respect form your readers.
And my last point- RESPECT your readers. Too many mods treat us like we don't matter. At least you, Billy, recognize that the talkbackers and the readership make this site popular. Without us, there really would be no good reason to visit the place.
Ack, gotta run. Adios folks.

was a fake. I knew it with the first glance. There's no excuse for Harry posting something like this, and then copping an attitude over it. Be man enough to admit when you're wrong, or if you're incapable of doing that then just erase this from the site, and whistle to yourself in a corner like it never happened.

If you're trying to play the journalist card 'The Kidd' there's due diligence and there's running around the internet bragging in broken English (journalistic integrity FTW) that you have 'industry sources' to material that is ridiculously fake, full of typos, available to anyone with an internet connection and has been debunked by multiple other sources weeks earlier. <p>
That Lindelof got involved, leading to an 'update' by Harry to the article (that hasn't been clearly labelled as an amendment) made things worse. The update, which not as eloquent and empassioned as yourself, basically stated 'Lindelof is great people' and indicating the matter was all ok because '...he's been out for drinks with him'. <p>
I like AICN for the TB's and don't wish it to fail per se - but any, and I mean ANY, inference about journalistic integrity about this matter or the general sourcing or quality control for 'Cool News' here may fly well amongst the staff but I think from the most cynical of TB'ers to the more generous it will generally fall on deaf ears. <p>
Just IMO.

Harry should remember that respect must be earned and not expected.
If he had started off by saying 'I've seen this fake script & its not worth the paper it was printed on but it could be worth a read as its so poorly written and had me laughing etc etc' then we all would have had a good chuckle and moved on without caring.
Perhaps because he got on side with it so quickly he figured that we would get on side with it too and he underestimated our reaction. We can see through it pretty easily.
It is poor that someone who has spearheaded this site 'For the fans' right from the start has become so distanced from us that he cannot even set the record straight with a simple, "I WAS WRONG".
We all make mistakes, no question, but I would guess that we want the gold standard and not second best.

Or a retraction.
AICN is not the NY Times or the WSJ, nor do I expect it to be, but if publications that big and reputable are able to print corrections (and they do; dozens each day), then so should a place like AICN. Sorry, but you can't keep straining to backpedal when the screenwriter himself has confirmed on multiple occasions in a public forum that the item presented as the real deal is actually bogus.
Printing a correction or a retraction isn't an admission that you lied or sought to deceive people. Rather, it's the admission of a mistake, to which we are all prone. Now I agree that there are many on these boards who'll shit on the site no matter what it does, but that's just a fact of the publishing business. Fuck it. Who cares what people say? Stop being so goddamn defensive and sensitive, and own your fucking mistake.
For every minute some black boxer takes to write some defensive screed or rant, there goes another minute that could have been spent formulating an official correction and response from AICN.

I think everyone would have been fine with it. It was the bold proclamation followed by bluster, then silence and finally the furious round of asscovering that took what should have been a footnote and made it a debacle.

I still come here, mainly for Quint's reports, but I'm feeling more embarrassed every time. Harry can talk about his life and who he may or may not have had drinks with one time but, frankly, that's not what most of us want to read, and it puts more 'casual' readers instantly against him. Harry, you are NOT the same as us (maybe you once were) and you're NOT the same as Damon Lindelof or anyone else who provides us with real entertainment (and you never will be), and they probably think you're nothing more than a pulsating leech. Also, the amount of studio ass-kissery on display here is becoming vomit-inducing. YES, studio involvement is great, but not when the articles read like they're written with dollar/pound signs obscuring the writer's view. The new Ain't It Cool show was okay but around 3-5 years too late. I fear it IS too late for this place... Incidentally, TB'er freedom is, and has always been one of the main draws of this place.

Half the TB'ers on here get to the start of June. They get dressed up. They call up their other half - 'Hey love, fancy a night out? That film I want to see is out'. They do their hair. They go into the foyer. They buy the popcorn. The lights dim. The film starts...with an opening crawl...: <p>
'Space. In a distant system the starship Prometheus, guided by artifacts from Earth, heads towards the Planet Zeus..." <p>
We are going to be shitting it.

By saying that some people are routing for this site (and Harry) to fail shows shows that you're seeing these comments as coming from a hateful place, when they're absolutely not.
These comments come from watching something you love slide down the toilet when, as you said, extremely basic "journalistic" approaches could've rectified the problem. Hell, you can even toss out the whole "journalistic" element of it and say that basic, common humility could've done the same thing.
As for people complaining this site has changed over the years and is long gone from its glory days, the studios have nothing to do with it. The times have not changed. There are still early preview screenings, script leaks, people who work at studios who are loyal to the site and want to share info, etc.
It's the site that has changed. Reports from preview screenings or a review of a leaked script are very rarely posted anymore. Do a compare and contrast of material that's been released between 2000 and now and I believe you'll see a great difference and be able to see where some of us are coming from.

Suddenly MILBRURN stops as he comes face to face with a blanket of red laser. The other five join him and they all look puzzled at the sheet of laser.
HOLLOWAY
What is that?
This in reference to a really brief shot of Milburn looking up at the geological mapping lasers. Once the full trailer came out it was clear that the red lasers were human tech, but the brief teaser info made it look like Milburn was shocked or scared of them as seen here.
http://www.prometheusforum.net/uploads/FileUpload/df/9b8bfc496b9321f9eb2b9c6c6debe4.jpg

I would like to join in with you awesome talkbackers and make a website with the greatness of these talkbacks, but also with actual film reviews and behind the scenes of film making.
But no money from the film industry allowed.

If nobody called him on his bullshit, then if you read the original article, there isn't a goddamn single thing in here that indicates that the script could be a fraud. But if you read the thing, and just as a fan who has read scripts ... it's clearly a fraud. The guy who wrote it took lines from the teaser trailer, which are then nowhere to be found in this "script" when the actual theatrical longer trailer was released.
Seriously, yay that the people who run and work on this site are passionate about movies. Good for them. Do your research. That's it.

How could a -journalist- in your position not find in months of digging what talk backers debunked in hours of writing?
How could you review and validate a script that a simple Google search would have shown to be a fake?
How do you expect to be a driving force for your readers when you blatantly use a known fake script to pump your new video show, and in the process severely damage any remains of credibility you may have.
But most of all, I just don't understand why you choose to ignore calls for site improvement, fact checking, and more.
Some talk backers here are bright, smart, good writers, faithful contributors, Choppah, Vader, Asimov to name a few, hey even LisaB to stir up things once in a while. Despite it all they are still not hating, forgiving, just because they support, they feed your site, hey they feed you.
And you just seem to ignore them, deliberately, as if they needed you more than you need them...you know Harry, an old saying advises not lo live in a house with broken windows..

OPENING MONTAGE of SPACE JOCKEYS creating life on Earth.
Shot of man with black lines on his hand and face.
VICKERS: A King has his reign, and then he dies, it is inevitable...
We then transition to SHAW and HOLLOWAY on Earth, exploring some caves.
SHAW: How long have we been down here?
HOLLOWAY: Long enough, I'd say.
SHAW: Look, a hieroglyph thingy!
HOLLOWAY: That's the thing we were supposed to be searching for, isn't it?
SHAW: Yes, and it has a matching pattern with the other thingies we were searching for.
HOLLOWAY: We need to collect this data.
EXT. HILLS
SHAW and HOLLOWAY look at each other like they want to do the no-pants dance.
INT: RESEEARCH LAB
HOLLOWAY: We believe this, when combined with other shit we found, forms a map!
VICKERS: Interesting.
SHAW: I think they meant us to find this, so we'd come.
HOLLOWAY: Just like you did last night.
SHAW: We have identified the place, by correlating it with our star maps and shit...it's LV426...but...how will we get there?
VICKERS: Weyland is interested in funding a trip to LV-426...this is of huge importance to humanity and Mr. Weyland has expressed he is interested very much.
SHAW and HOLLOWAY look pleased as punch.
INT. SHIP BAY
Prometheus in background, crew gathers.
VICKERS: This is Captain Janek, he's going to be our Captain.
JANEK: I'm no science guy, but I'm a space jockey who knows his way around the galaxy. I hope this is worth the effort.
VICKERS: You will be well-paid, Janek.
MILBURN and FIFIELD look apprehensive.
FIFIELD: So we're going on this journey because of a map you found?
SHAW: Not a map, an invitation.
MUDOW and CHANCE look on.
DAVID enters.
FIFELD: Fuckin' android freak.
DAVID: Excuse me.
VICKERS: This is David, he'll be the science officer guy, handling some of that science shit.
The crew embark.
PROMETHEUS arrives at LV-426, The crew do press-ups.
DAVID does not need to, because he is an android.
They arrive on the surface and potter about, and find the DERELICT.
SHAW: Be careful!
HOLLOWAY: Like I give a FUCK!
SHAW: You won't be getting one if you keep arsing about, you spaz!
They enter it and find a bunch of Ampules and a huge fucking head.
DAVID: These are fascinating.
SHAW: Don't touch them, we don't know what they are!
DAVID: Fascinating.
He looks at the little creatures.
Suddenly a worm thingy enters FIFIELD's suit and fucks him up.
FIFIELD: Get it offff!!
FIFIELD starts to mutate and runs off.
The crew return to the Prometheus, but HOLLOWAY and DAVID sneak off and revisit the Ampules, and take them to the Prometheus. HOLLOWAY becomes infected while stealing an Ampule.
Lingering Shot:
SHAW and HOLLOWAY have the sex.
Afterwards, HOLLOWAY realises he has fucked up when a wormy thing is in his eye. He feels sad but does not tell anyone.
DAVID examines the contents of one Ampule, and cuts his finger.
VICKERS catches him and tells him off, but DAVID says that he is following Company instructions from Weyland himself.
VICKERS nods...she is ambivalent.
DAVID experiments by injecting some of the alien material into MILBURN.
The crew return to the Ampule site, hoping to find FIFIELD, but instead, MUDOW and CHANCE get fucked up by a SPACE JOCKEY.
DAVID finds the star map, and examines it. He realises he now has power over humans...then the SJ's walk in.
Pan around as SJ's discuss:
SPACE JOCKEY 1: Why you mess with our stuff, little man?
SPACE JOCKEY 2: We don't allow newbs!
SPACE JOCKEY 3: You not human, maybe we like you if you work with us, hmmm?
SPACE JOCKEY 1: Now we go show those humans not to fuck with us dudes!
SPACE JOCKEY 3: Cowabunga!
SHAW is preggers and has a squiddy thing removed, which then causes all kinds of crazy shit. She realises HOLLOWAY is a fucking moron.
She goes to the medical bay.
MED AI: You have a bun in your Oven, Miss Shaw.
SHAW: Oh, I...
MED AI: Correction...it is a very big bun, a big bun that must be removed.
MEDBAY removes SHAW's parasite thing; it is a huge squid, and grows rapidly.
SHAW runs from the MEDBAY when the squid-thing goes apeshit, it chases her and slams at the door with its tentacles.
SHAW: Is it Japanese?!
MEANWHILE, DAVID is smoking a Joint with his SJ buddies.
DAVID: Let's go to Earth for super fun time!
SPACE JOCKEY 1: Yeah, hang ten!
FIFIELD and MILBURN attack the crew and MILBURN gets Burned with FLAMETHROWER, while FIFIELD attacks the crew member.
SHAW stumbles into WEYLAND's ROOM and collapses.
SHAW: We were so wrong.
WEYLAND: But I needs my immortalism!
SHAW fights two SPACE JOCKEYS, killing one but the other corners her, as she scooches against a wall...VICKERS arrives and flames it, then SHAW leaves the Prometheus to try and stop the Derelict from launching.
VICKERS gets a FAMETHROWER and flames FIFIELD, but then has to run from the MONSTER.
The Derilect launches and flies, SHAW tells JANEK to ram it.
SHAW: If they reach Earth, there will be no home!
JANEK: Is this because I ma the black man?
SHAW: If they reach Earth...
JANEK: Oh, alright, I'll do it, bitch!
VICKERS legs it to the escape pod as...
PROMETHEUS rams the DERELICT...
JANEK: This is going all the way up your ASS, Space Bitches!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
The DERELICT is undamaged. SPACE JOCKEY grabs his chest.
SPACE JOCKEY: Arse!
His chest explodes and the DERELCIT plummets.
VICKERS and SHAW run around on the surface, as the DERELICT crashes to the ground and rolls.
As the DERELICT crashes, the Ampules inside are dislodged and collide and mix, creating a new creature...
VICKERS, SHAW, and WEYLAND prepare to enter WEYLAND's second vessel.
WEYLAND sees a facehugger and is intrigued...it smashes through his helmet and hugs his face, impregnating him.
VICKERS and SHAW escape, but VICKERS blames SHAW for the disastrous mission when they get back to Earth.
WEYLAND lays dying on LV-426's surface, as a Xenomorph bursts from him...
The tentacle creature has stowed away on the second ship, and is revealed to be...
MICHAEL BAY!!!

Flynn-lives
Animas
Tallboy6t6
Reflecto
Yourmomsboxreturns
Kirbymanly
Jellypop
Choppah
Tomdolan04
and d.vader
For saying it like it is.
Now Billy, do you get it? It is laughable that you should try and defend the site at the time it has made one of its biggest cock ups. Does nobody at AICN have the balls to admit this was a clusterfuck and that it has made everybody wake up and recognise changes are needed. Montychristo maybe?
Animas called it right - this site needs an editor - By all means let Harry be a figurehead and sometime contributor but seriously Harry's ego is dragging this site down.
And before we get the usual AICN defensive reply, Billy, just take into account there are at least 11 people on this TalkBack who have very clearly explained why they are so pissed over this situation and not a single one of them is rooting for AICN to fail - in fact to a man it seems they just want some degree to professionalism brought back here.
But whilst you Billy, Harry, Nordling and others keep thinking that you are something special and are beyond rebuke, it is never going to happen. Maybe, starting with Harry Knowles, you should all start to recognise that your farts all smell just as bad as ours and work from there.
AICN is very very broken right now but in no way is it irrepairable. You just have to want to fix it. And right now, based particularly on what has transpired in the last 48 hours, I've seen no no evidence that anyone associated with AICN actually wants to put the effort in to do that, least of all Harry himself. You all seem to want the set visits, the interviews, the toys and the kudos that goes with a movie site without actually making effort to run an actual site.
In light of which it is really rather ironic, Billy, that you are suggesting some of us TBs actually want the site to fail. We most certainly don't but even if we did, you don't need our help - Harry is doing that all on his own.

Harry has, slowly but surely dislodged his foot that was slightly (or whatever) in the door of Hollywood. He's not made any films, any attempts at films have failed. His Comedy Central pilot failed, he cannot write, nor, by way of this bogus Prometheus script can he tell good writing for bad.
AICN is all Harry has in terms of his connection with Hollywood...and now this new video series that looks like its made for children and not adults.
AICN is Harry's turf, and he won't be apologizing, nor will he bend. He doesn't have to. Harry doesn't realize that admitting weakness makes you strong.
This is the fat lady singing folks. Right here, right now, and Harry knows it.

Once again, let me reiterate that I am not pretending to speak for anyone or on anyone's behalf. I understand where you're coming from. As a longtime reader of the site myself, you want to know when you visit Ain't It Cool, you're reading information you can trust (rumors aside). I understand you feeling duped or disrespected or any number of synonyms I could throw in there. I'm just trying to relay to you that there are plenty of people around here, Harry included, that do care about resurrecting the site to its former glory (which isn't meant to sound conceited). There are a number of things in the works to try improving the site, including some of the technical issues of the site. I'm not going to speak on a timeline as to when you might see some of that, but just know that there definitely are plenty of discussions going on behind the scenes.
Professionally, I absolutely feel like this was a misstep. However, it's Harry's choice on how to answer for it. If he feels he did enough on his part, that's his prerogative, just like it's your prerogative to accept it or not. I'm not trying to defend it. I'm just saying that it's best to just make your choice and move on. Only you can determine whether or not you believe Harry moving forward.
As for stories being reported days later than other sites or from when they break, there's a simple explanation for that... sometimes other shit just comes up. It may be a screening or an interview or writing other stories or reviews. We try to get to everything, but sometimes that's just not possible. I'd rather write something late that's well thought out than rush into some half-ass just to be able to say "First!"
I'm glad to know that my original assessment is wrong... that, aside from a couple of assholes, there isn't a drive to support failure for Ain't It Cool. I know many of you enjoy coming here, and you feel a part of something special when you're reading or taking part in the TalkBacks. For that to be minimized or tainted, I'm sorry... I'm sorry that we have let you down. Because this isn't about just Harry... we're a collective unit, and, if one of us fucks up, then we've all fucked-up. I can only vouch for myself that I am always trying to get better and take into account your actual constructive criticism where it applies ("You're a douche" is just treated as entertainment). Hopefully this clarifies a bit of my earlier comments, and, if anyone wants to take it further, my email is always open to hear from you.

" And some people wonder why talkbacks are an almost constant source of entertainment! "
Entertainment? More like disgusting self indulgence. Most of us are lucky there are sites like this one. I like coming here and discussing with real fans and not the trolls film that I like. The talkbacks as a whole? Well it's kind of like the bottom of the intellectual barrel.

You think I come here for the scoop like I used to? I get the actual information, usually more substantive, elsewhere. The only reason I come here now is for the entertainment of the talkbacks and to watch the immolation of Harry's latest stable of mealymouthed contributors, who often take up fool's crusades like defending John Carter beyond all reason because it was once Harry's dream project. Then, then submit weepy editorials blasting us for not liking it and saying that if we don't go see whatever just-okay-to-mediocre-to-terrible genre project the site is supporting this month, then it's "the end of films for GEEKS LIKE US (please don't lump me in with the AICN columnists) as we know it". Meanwhile, over on Harry's ego trip vlog, he is insisting that Michael Bay is the geek's best friend. WHAT?
We've been hearing about these "upgrades" and changes and blah blah blah for years, but you have to admit that to any observer it looks like Harry lost interest in running an influential or topical site years ago. This place is in no way the first source for anything anymore - you know that, Billy. That's why Harry jumped on this hoax without even checking. He was desperate to look like the big man again. He wanted attention and presents. That's all he ever wants anymore. The site can go to shit, the "boilers" can complain and he can giggle and laugh it off in his basement. A magic world with no messy details that silly people like Andy in Toy Story 3 gave up.
You seem like you're halfway rational. How can you honestly sit here and tell me that AICN is really working on these problems? That's the same line we have heard forever.

What this site needs is a good elk orgy!
I'm serious dude.
Most of the asshole Tb'ers on here aint ne'er laid eyes (or laid anything else for that matter) on real life female genitalia, and I'm here to tell you that outside of some randy, fine-assed paramecium's, aint nothing better to get the amoeba rocks off than some Elk poon!
Get these boys some elk tang and we got ourselves a different rodeo!
Harry fucked up, and in typical harry fashion he won't fess up, but at least he let the talkback stay up, which is to his credit.
So, all the howlin and bitchin goin on now is due to a lack of sexual release, and for all of those who swing on the other side of the algae pond, they got randy male elks too!

cut Harry some slack. The fact that he believed a bogus, amateurish written script was the authentic Prometheus work isn't sad. You know whats sad? The day this website goes under. Thats sad. Because where will all of you whiny little bitches go to if that happens? What other website forum would put up with your crap? This isn't 1997 anymore, I know that and all of you do. The "Wild West" of the internet is almost completely gone. The end of an era is almost upon us. Believe it or not, aintitcoolnews is one of the last bastions of free speech we have. Have I had some of my posts deleted? Sure. I made a rather tasteless gay joke here and there that got taken down, but I've had alot more that were still allowed to go through that rightfully should have been deleted. It's like that 80's song from Cinderella. "Don't know whatcha got, till it's gone....................."

Harry deserves to get slagged for this story, but the whiny bitches who think they could do better and yet still come here to whine because this simply is the best site around that lets them do so with damn near impunity and no fucking avatars or gravtars or other such bullshit that hurts amoeba eyes, would jump off a fucking cliff if AICN disappeared!
Hey on second thought, harry shut this fucker down and lets clean the gene pool!

I've been coming to this site for around fifteen years and I've been Red Ned Lynch since I first started posting. And never in that time did I come here because I wanted to see what Harry thought of a film or to catch the very latest in entertainment news. Even back in the day there were always better sites for reliable reviews and breaking news.
Yes, there were a few scoops early on, but even near the beginning that reputation was more sizzle than steak. And yes, over the years the site has been more obviously driven by the desire to curry favor with studios and stars but it has plenty of company in that. Other sites may do it more subtly (but not always; Chud springs immediately to mind) but part of the charm of AICN is the amateurish and obvious way it does everything.
This is the site with the television reviewer who judges shows nearly exclusively on their degree of separation from Joss Whedon, where one writer has shown a disturbing propensity for movies featuring violent sex and another, considered by many to be one the site's better writers, has only a tenuous grasp of paragraph construction and fights a daily battle to maintain a consistent tense.
This isn't the place you come for consistent and nuanced film criticism. This isn't the place you come for the latest entertainment news. If you want either of those things you are at the wrong site. And there are plenty of sites, a multitude of sites, that provide exactly those things. And it wouldn't matter if starting tomorrow Harry and everyone else involved in AICN turned every bit of their time and talent into trying to make it the place you're talking about because they don't have the skill sets, the resources or the contacts to do so.
If you want those things this is not the site you're looking for.
However...
...if you're looking for an on-line destination where the lead admin both physically and behaviorally resembles the manager of the comic book store you frequented as a kid, AICN is the place for you.
And if, for a writing staff you would prefer the crowd of guys who used to hang out at the comic book store, from the almost intellectual and the overeager puppy to the passive aggressive grump and the guy who strikes you as maybe just a little too odd, AICN is the place for you. By the way, none of those mentioned is Ambush Bug. He's my favorite. He's the guy who loves his chosen subject so much he can find some reason to love almost anything in it.
And if you prefer to engage in a level of discourse about movies that would normally be frowned on in polite society, oh Lord yes, AICN is the place for you.
Harry once wrote in a review that he would have liked Wrong Turn better if the mutant hillbillies had raped Eliza Dushku, or at least stripped her naked before they tied her up. Was the review professional? No. Was it particularly coherent? No. But you know what? That review entertained me more than Wrong Turn did, and I remember it better today than I do the actual movie.
In the talkbacks, to use a couple of recent examples, I've seen Asimovlives transform from a one trick pony who shouted that people were stupid if they disagreed with him into an interesting and often perceptive poster and Choppah go from a guy who posted some quick bit of sarcasm and a tagline to one of the most consistently interesting talkbackers on the site. I like the fact that I can always count on Vader to be polite to the point of apologizing for his post before he's finished it and Crow to go from righteously angry to perfectly agreeable in the space of two posts. I like the fact that when I post here I can behave in pretty much the same way I do with my friends.
That professional site you guys are clamoring for? They're out there. And if this site became one, well then it would be one too.
Personally, I'll take reading this post and its talkback over any of that. When I'm done maybe I'll check on Herc to see if he's compared Alias to The Wire again. That guy.

and this Prometheus mess is Harry's latest fraud.
I'm sorry, but this site and this man claim they're developing new film projects of their own, that they are influential, that they're the first source for genre fans. Billy the Kidd just said it again. You don't get to call yourselves that, then shit the bed, post fradulent shit and then say "don't blame me, we're just fun geeks! We don't know what we're doing! It's a comic shop! Just like back home!"

I read this script review, and the resulting talkback, about three weeks ago.
I wasn't convinced it was real.....so I kept mum. Then....the review hit. Then the comments and mod responses appeared, and things started to synch up.
So here I am, posting about it all.

...Otherwise we're all going to start screaming that this was all planned on your part.
Right now you have publications like the HUFFINGTON post linking back to this page. Hmmmmm...curious that this same page has your VIDEO on it for your new show.
Dude...why don't you drum up some more controversy just to benefit views on your video.
Lame-ass move dude.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/06/prometheus-script-damon-l_n_1409287.html

As a longtime reader, who just started posting, I was in the, "fuck Billy," camp at first, but I like your commitment buddy. Your responses in talkbacks like this, and a couple of surprisingly positive reviews lately have won me over. Not that I matter, but cheers dude!

...but instead was given a glowing piece of turd, and is sentenced to be punished by Geeks pecking at his huge regenerating liver for an eternity.
btw inexplicable nuclear balls, I thank you for the compliment.
(btw note to Harry, what I wrote earlier wasn't real...except the part about the Space Jockey's...that's 100% true).
Mind you, there's much to be said for fan-fiction and fake scripts; even in the most brain-dead Transformers fan-fiction, no one was dumb enough to have Optimus Prime say "we will kill them all", even 4 year olds didn't write that.

Your posts have more common-sense and integrity in them than anything I've seen on here for a long time.
So kudos to you for that.
The big problem here has always been that the site has become corrupted over the years as the originators like Harry have developed their own agendas.
It started off as geeks on the outside posting cool news , some of which they probably shouldn't have had access to. They were outlaws , in a geeky, girly kind of way.
Then they got noticed and things changed. They saw opportunities to be on the inside and you know I don't blame them for this at all. Not sure I'd be any different.
But then Harry wants it both ways --He wants to be seen as the cool outsider geek spilling the beans whilst at the same time to be on the inside he has to exchange favours with the industry like shilling for absolutely shite films.
Hypocrisy and agenda is written over everything this site does nowadays.
Oh and it doesn't help that Harry comes across as a creepy fuck.

I sincerely thank you for actually listening to and acknowledging our comments.
Like you said, how we respond to this falls on us. Myself? I don't trust Harry as far as I could throw him anymore and I've come to terms with the fact that this has been a long time coming.
As horrific as most of his prose is, I've always admired the heart behind it. However, I can't ignore that the heart has frighteningly questionable flaws.
The long list of bizarre behavior over the years makes me realize that he's a man of limited morality and ethics.
He's lied to us and has had a hand in destroying lives more times than I care to type. If you've followed this site for as long as I have... you know what I'm talking about.
He claims to admire and love superheroes but there's nothing within his on-line personality to back this up.
A superhero would own his or her mistakes.

Hi Kids. Just here to remind you that you're not very impotant. Choppah, thin man, wynona, all you other "characters", not very important. Your views on stuff, not very important, your presence here, not very important, your departure from the site, not important. Nothing of any worth was lost.
Your contribution to the site consists of having a name that is vaguely recognised by maybe 2% of AICN audience and considered useful, interesting or an important aspect of the AICN community by about 2% of them.
If you leave you will be replaced. You are not very important.
98% of the people who read this site don't even bother reading the talk backs, I know I didn't for years.
You contribute very little to the success of the site. Your sense of entitlement is sickening partially because this is a free site but mainly because you seem to think you matter. You don't. In fact you matter less than the thousands of "unknown" posters simply because they make up the bulk of the audience and don't distract from the site with their endless self important waffle.
That's what it is btw. Waffle. No one comes to AICN to read what the thin man thinks about harrys weight or to see what recently got "chopped" It's utterly irrelevant.
You are utterly irrelevant.
Get over yourselves.
-Chopped-

Absolute truth.
So many of you whining, self important little brats contribute nothing and yet expect everything. You are selfish, ungrateful and don't deserve what these guys do. You get all this for freem might I add. No one pays to visit this site, unlike Variety or Screen Daily. And yet you wet your beds in rage when something goes wrong.

This is like the time everyone fell for the Cox-Holm thing Harry scripted, causing mild choas in the process...
... Is this Harry reaching a new level of satire upon such an issue? Cause that's pretty feckin funny to me if he is. Dunno, but if he reall isn't mincing the old satire as performance... well at least he's not going all bullish psycho baby aggressor and smashing up his room and lashing out in impotent rage because he so blatently got fooled and exposed his brain and soul as being that of the lovechild of Karl Pilkington, and one of those irritating leg humping hulk poodles that never got over being a steiner school reject because they never grew up and realised it sucks ass like everyone else and just seriously inhibits your learning range and patterns... Unlike some people I know in real life, and to an extent on these talkbacks.
Anyway, if someone really had the goods and the contacts for you (in about a half an hour!) would you really want it laid bare for you and everything spoiled in advance? Put the horny irritating leg humping poodle away, sit back and enjoy a mostly spoiler free Jockey + movie in the Alienverse by Ridley Scott.
Chill the fuck out.
Just Harry, please tell me you didn't genuinely buy that script...

You're totally right cptblood, we come for the insightful in-depth well thought out articles like the one above. <p>
Would AICN fold if the regulars, myself included, left? Nope. Not once has that been said. However if it weren't for the TB's this site would lose one of it's USP's because, which is kinda the point of the contention, the sourcing and quality of 'Cool News' on this site is becoming something of an internet joke exemplified by this 'script review'. It is a good place for hanging out and sharing opinions / views and having a laugh with like-minded people. <p>
The whole 'it's free / if you don't like it don't come argument' is pointless. We do like it. You must like it to an extent. We don't want it to become a mockery and there's nothing wrong with offering views on what Harry posted. Sure you'll get dicks anywhere ranting useless abuse but there has been some constructive feedback above about what people would like to see since it's been debunked and mainly they are from the people who have been around a while. <p>
Harry can and will do with this as he wants and that won't change. Saying 'you're all irrelevant' though from a business angle is a bit short sighted and that won't change however you pull statistics out of you're ass to make it sound like you know what you're talking about. <p>
98% of people agree.

AICN TalkBacks are now regarded by many people on the internet was being a complete and utter joke, frequented by the very type of people the media mock as "geeks" and consisting mostly of inane comments that do nothing. cptblood is completely right - the people he mentions hurt geekdom. Their actions and statements paint us as frothing at the mouth, sarcastic and overly-cynical morons who demand all for free.

i think the planet that prometheus focuses on is a different one to alien.
in the shots of the ship used in the prometheus trailers. the ship is upwards vertical. but the ship in alien where we meet see the space jockey in the chair for the first time. that ship is almost horizontal. in a diagonal way.

There is MORE then ONE alien ship. Everything in the trailer, happens BEFORE the half way mark.
Think back to Alien. Those eggs, were BELOW the ship, as in... NOT APART OF THE DERILECT SHIP.
Also, the film is about Terraforming. As in... planets (turning them from a lush planet, to one that is nightmarish), and also, LIVING BEINGS. Changing them from one thing.... to another.

happen to be working for a company that is involved in a creating "something" for a certain franchise... Fox granted us a look at the "script" for the purpose of matching certain elements we are "creating" to what Prometheus is "Creating". Say what you want, but when it comes to this, Fox wants to try and keep some consistency between products... specially those that they consider relevant to the story.

Oh, get the fuck over yourself. If anything, it's hyper-earnest, humorless twats like you that give geeks a bad name. Well, that, and the name *geek,* which is bad. But I like it, so fuck off already.
Anyway, for your penance, say 10 Our CHOPPAHs, five Hail Asis and one Hail, Horny Vader.

This is the fun of fandom. Harry is just an excited geek like one of us. I think it's awesome that we live in an age where we can argue and get all nerdy over a movie coming out, including with the writers, directors, etc.
You guys are going to hate a guy personally because he loves all the same stuff we do, just because he gets over excited and wants to share something? Seriously? Even if it wasn't legit (and I read it and thought it was transcribed from a real source by someone with poor english), do you really think Harry would knowingly put his ass on the line over a fake?
I come to this site, not for the "journalistic integrity." These guys are just geeks like us we get to yammer with and gossip about what we love/hate in the world of geekdom. It's not CNN.

Know why I came to the talkback ? to see if anyone had anything interesting to say about prometheus. Funnily enough, in these talk backs you can often find interesting and informative posts about the actual article.
Know what I found. You. You, you, you, you, you, talking about shit I don't care about.
You talked so much of it, you've actually broken the scroll bar, making it harder to scan the talkback, making it less likely I'll check back, meaning less hits to the site meaning that if anyone has contributed to "destroying the community" it's you.
I'm glad you've found something fulfilling in your life, I'm sorry that it amounts to being a vaguely recognizable name hidden in the depths of a vast web site that produces so much content your comments ( even when you spam a hundred of them ) have a life span of approximately ten seconds and almost no relevance to its existence but for the love of god please stop.
You are boring. The only people who think what you have to say is important is the tiny deluded minority that think this is some sort of social hang out.
It's not. And if it was, you're the equivalent of the sad 40 yearold fucker who sits in the corner of the pub thinking he owns the place because he's been coming here long enough for everyone to recognise he's a functioning alcoholic.
Go home. Go out! get an actual life.
Stop fucking up the talkbacks.

" PEOPLE COME HERE FOR THE TALKBACK... NOT FOR HARRY... NOT FOR THE ARTICLES.... BANNING PEOPLE ON HERE, WILL BE THE DEMISE OF THIS SITE. IT'S THE ONLY THING THIS SITE HAS. "
You really need to change that to " Only cetain kinds of people come here for the talkback ".

Fill out my survey for good karma. I assure you, that at some point in the near, or far, future, you will find some money as a result of this kind action
https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/yourcinemaexperience

Others have expressed that possibility about 1000 Posts up. We're not all morons on here, just the ones he keep calling for Harry to apologise to them personally. Moderation clearly needs to be alot tougher on here with alot more people getting banned. The mob are fickle and have demonstrated that they cannnot govern themselves. A dictatorship is necessary, to thin the heard.

If I took AICN hostage this would be my list of demands:
1. Fix talkbacks so you can use quotation marks without your post getting partly deleted when you post it. I don't care about the edit feature, it's unnecessary.
2. A few more reviews from Harry. Even though Harry's taste in films is erratic and unpredictable, I still enjoy reading his reviews and the ensuing talkback.
3. Photo references in articles. Other sites have pictures and videos in their articles. If you are reporting on an actor or director there should be a photo of them in the article. The bare-bones design of this site has it's charm but there should at least be some minor improvements.

Some of the funniest things I've read have been in the bile spewed in these talkbacks.
There are issues --nobody outside of the Doctor Who talk-backs seems to listen to a word that other talk-backers say -- it is indeed mostly about a million voices talking at once over each other.
But the reality is that the talk-backs are, in my opinion, the best thing on this site. The main articles are usually self aggrandising or arse-licking nonsense and the talk-backs for all their faults bring some much needed balance to that bilge.

not in this case. obviously. but there are names which are brought up again and again. and one name in particular to the point of boredom. hint this guy created lost and directed super 8. we all know who he is.
there is another director who makes big budget, loud dumb, action spectaculars. his recent movies are about a warring race of robots who have brought their battle to earth. transformers has clearly influenced Battleship the movie. which is about an alien invasion. talkbackers dont seem to like bay much.
In any decent review, reviewers never critic the director. the critic the movie. that is the whole point of a film critic.
harry knowles is the worst reviewer of films that I ever read. He never critiques movies and is not capable of doing so. the only film he ever lambasted was rollerball and he was right. fox has had it in for him ever since. harry knowles became a player when this sites name started to appear on posters.

I noticed the change in Harry's original post which I had skimmed and decided to keep away. What the fuck happened? After reading this novel sized talkback of accusations, rants, deleted posts I am surprised it is still up if it weren't for all the outside attention it's getting. And Harry this is NOT the kind of attention you need to get youtube hits. I enjoyed the video for what it was, but let it grow by it's own merit not by some cheap stunt, if that is what you did, I hope not.
I'm not going to beat a dead horse because it has been beaten to Passion of the Christ levels. Happy Easter btw.
I do want to extend a message to The Kidd though. I have given you some shit since you arrived.(some deserved, some me just being an asshole...it happens) However, I appreciated your earnest response to the tb. This accompanied by some decent posts lately will probably slow my hands to react so harshly, so quickly.
As for Harry, I don't know dude. Where does it go from here? Haven't got a clue, but I haven't stopped coming here in the last decade and this debacle won't change that.

Absolutely love the way this chap comes here and lambasts people who voice their opinion as TalkBackers and yet does so in an arch and hifalutin way VIA a talkback! Can you not see the irony in that, cptblood?
So, you're opinion is more valid than ours, cptblood? Hmm... well, those people you cite..
Choppah, Winona, Thincreepy... I've read their contributions to this site previously, but oddly I haven't come across your name before. Or if I have you certainly havent made a memorable contribution.
Now that is not to say you don't have a valuable contribution to make to this site. But it is ironic that you should take to task those people who have demonstrably made a contribution already.
So you will doubtless forgive me if I pass on anything you chose to post anything in the future. It isnt anything personal...I just think you are utterly irrelevant.
But don't worry.... I'm sure you will get over yourself.

@johnspaihts: "Violent wind storms rage through the scenery and the wind itself has a violent, angry and unforgiven sound." Writer, kill thyself.
This kind of hideousness does not occur due to character recognition software, but due to fanfic retardation.

How is one of my favorite TB'ers doin?
I strongly suspect and hope that you have been pursuing your directorial passion and have been taking advantage of the casting couch perks and plowing some fine, sweet and unsuspecting paramecium ass, or human female ass - if you swing that way, but i'm here to tell ya that paramecium is finest piece of yum!

If you like the paramecium, you might be willing to swing into the darker side and try some of the fine badonk called burnt popcorn kernel, or the even wilder elk poontang!
Oh, yes the well hung amoeba has been to the dark side!

I have been a long time reader of this site going way back. I never post much, mostly because I did once and was banned.
.
But does anyone else remember back in 2006 I wanna say, when Sopranos had the "Gay Vito" story line going. Harry reported that there was a rape scene filmed and actors were reportedly "Grossed out on set" by how disturbing it as. I am guessing it had something to do with Vito and Medows Boyfriend. I remember watching Sopranos waiting for that scene, waiting to be disturbed, like watching a car accident. Because back then I trusted Harry. But that scene never happend and it all turned out to be bullshit. I remember we critized him and he never reported or said anything about it. Since then I never take anything he says to seriously. He is just another fanboy talking out of his ass.

Everyone talks shit on George Lucas for re releasing Star Wars to make money. Atleast the original trilogy was great. AVATAR sucked and how many different copies have been released? about 3 or 4. And now Titanic is back. Fuck Cameron and Fuck Avatar. Remember when he "Found where Jesus lived" Then after it aired some archeologists and historians completely debunked it. Fuck him.

Wow! Just...wow.
For some reason, I can't summon the strength to properly dissect this debacle. I guess I just don't care that much anymore.
Clearly, Harry was doing this for the lulz, right?
Right?! Hello?!

I presume this is because you have realised no one clicks on them so you have to put your point in the title...
Nice one, you're not working hard, you're working smart.
You know the last time a talkbacker was actually important ? Neil cumpston. Man, I used to check threads just in case that guy posted because I knew there would be something worth reading. Some of his funniest diatribes came out of talkback. They were so good, and so popular, some of them actually became featured articles.
Compare what that guy did to what you're doing.
A thousand words of carefully crafted funny vs some asshat typing "harry is fat" as a title because no ones going to bother clicking on their name.
and that's the thing. You are 1000% less compelling than some guy who's schtick was wanking jokes. Nice one. Hope you're proud. Now shut the fuck up.

I have to admit that I'm in the same boat as fuckinamateurman. AICN is long past its prime and Harry clearly has an acute case of Idon'tgiveafuckitus.
As for the captain's charge that we TB'ers have an over-inflated sense of ourselves...well, I've really only one thing to say to that: No shit! Of course we've got egos, silly. We're all a bunch of dorks who are at least moderately interested in an entertainment medium run by Egosauruses. Thise site's fair-haired and not-so-fairly countenanced lord and master is ALSO a raging egomaniacal obsessive-compulsive. And don't look now, jack, but YOU, TOO, are an egotistical, opinionated shit stain...just like the rest of us.
Don't believe me? Well, Sonny Jim, just scroll back up to your previous posts. Absolutely filled to the brim with cynical, dismissive opinions presented as facts. In short, your posts read like everyone else's around here. Congratulations! You're one of us. One of us! One of us! ONE OF US!!!
Finally, to Harry,
Please learn to fact check, you big goon! I honestly don't know if you did indeed sit on that "script" for months or if the talkbackers are right in believing that you are lying (I think the latter SEEMS more likely), but you are still guilty of reaching too far and too fast with that script "leak." Sure, that aint such of a much. After all, even true journalistic pros have made errors like that ever since the invention of the printed word and I'm not about to get my knickers into a twist over it.
But I do think your error illustrates a deeper, more pertinent problem. You seem to not be applying yourself the way you need to. Wether its fixing this site, posting more stories or, ahem, FACT CHECKING, you are definitely in the background of this website nowadays. I'm not sure if its because you are in your forties now, or because of this new video series, or if its health related. Doesnt really matter, though, I suppose, since it all adds up to one choice: either shape up or let someone else shape it up for you.
And the longer you remain indecisive the more this site will go down the tubes.
By the way: Hi Choppa, D. Vader, Subtitles, and all the rest! I sure hope Yackbacker comes on here for a swan song, as well.

...really feels like this is round two of that same fundamental argument about the spirit of AICN and why the community has a love & hate relationship with the site and itself.
To refresh minds: once upon a long ago, there was a website thats mission was to break news by any and all means; leaked scripts, spy reports, early viewings, torrented files, blowing the producers... it was almost like investigative journalism except by a goofy good willed bunch of film geeks. It felt real and it felt like it was subversive.
Flash forward a few years and the same website had begun to take fright at studio cease & desist notices, Harry got banned from Skywalker Ranch, and up popped the glowing reviews for truly awful movies... Phantom Menace being accounted for as a rush of blood after long privation. Armeggedon... not so much!
Then along comes the work print for The Hulk; a misguided and simply bizarre series of choices for a movie which generated huge buzz. Drew McWeeny / Moriaty vents spleen all over the community for daring to comment or (how dare they!) review the work print. It was a fast TB'er who posted several screengrabs where he bragged about downloading screeners that blew Moriaty out-of-the-water. He never got over that one.
So Harry goes and reviews a fan made script, possibly one that is quite insightful in terms of plotting, but is clearly a thousand editing cuts from a final draft. The script can't even spell Zeus consistently for more than a page. No scriptwriter (I know, I'm one) would ever want an unedited first draft to get out into the wild.
The script review in itself is fine. It actually harks back to AICN more excitable, more fun, less studio managed, less advertising revenue fueled days of excess. It's the hubris shown toward the community that matters. And even if the active community is 2% or 3%, this is the hardcore that has followed this site for years. This is the hardcore that revealed Moriaty's Emperors Clothing (no not Sith robes) and has proven to be moral compass of AICN.
Without this community AICN is just another movie news website to RSS. Just look at the discourse and the passion in the Docbacks to see that the moderators and contributors DO care about the community.
So this is quite a moment; a tipping point where AICN and Harry personally have got to address the community for what it is: the heart and soul of the site.
Keep cool,
Ummphoo

Buffy was the hugely popular show based on box office flop movie buffy the vampire slayer.
This was at the height of the internet boom in the mid 1990s. before the dot com bubble burst. anyhoo.
that era was called WEB 1.0 and you could do whatever you wanted and say whatever you liked.
While movie studios began to look at computers to make effects and computer animation. Hollywood knew nothing about the internet and stuff. and movie studios shut down stuff like the buffy fan sites. who were leaking info about upcoming episodes. studios like fox saw the internet as a threat. but studios now see that there is a huge plus in having social media sites. fox used the internet to promote sex in the city. Women love shopping and here was a movie at least which promoted shopping. and social media was used to promote the movie. people outside the target audience hated the movie. Harry is a digital luddite. he has refused to go with the digital flow. his site has remained stuck in the past. he tried and failed to remodel this site on facebook. and that lasted all of 6 seconds. There are people who dont want an edit button on this site. someone put up and headline about woody allens new film. and didnt take long for that thread to become toxic. there is stuff that is appropriate and stuff that isnt and cracking jokes about the holocaust aint funny. know that harry has joined youtube. he should be prepared for verbal shit that will be thrown in his direction. lots of bile......

......its not really been relevant since the mid 2000's when the hollywood studios finally discovered how to make the internet work for them not against!
Eversince the studios have controlled the flow of info quite tightly its very rare for any real scoops to be made public unless the studio marketing machine wish it.
AICN is obviously in terminal decline due to this it has nothing left material wise & no-one is talented enough to make it at least entertaining. Nikki Finke is the only person who does get accurate scoops nowadays AICN is really just another place like Imdb to talk about movies after they are released but its obviously also a studio controlled environment & seeded with a massive amount of studio plants posing as TBers.............. watch them crawl out of their caves when Battleship comes out!!

Is that Cam took the creature and made him insect-like. Hardly the thinking, cunning critter from the first flick. Of course you could say since there were an entire hive, they go with the herd mentality.
Also, why did the Queen need to exist? Sure its great battle with Ripley, but why does it need to dump eggs in a host when she was spitting out the eggs.
Other than that and Paul Riser, it's aces and haters can eat it.

the queen is necessary in the cycle. The lifespan of the xenomorph is basically two tiers.
The queens sole purpose is that it creates the eggs that enclose the facehugger. The facehugger then hatches and attaches itself to a host. It impregnates the host and in a variable amount of time, the xenomorph we all know and love is born violently.
There is cause for concern that Cameron's version of the lifecycle is inconsistent with Scott's and that it is non-canon. I disagree considering the only contradicting detail was inserted in the 2003 DC of ALIEN.
Cameron took the sparse details known about the alien and expanded brilliantly upon it. He (over)explained it down to a science, giving it much more credibility in the process IMO.
Your opinion of the insect like mentality of the ALIENs is unwarranted too..they were a swarm but also somewhat intelligent. The deleted sentry gun scene shows this, as does the 'power cutting' scene in Cameron's film..
Another explanation of their intelligence could be they are only as smart as their host. the one in the first film could have contracted some of Kane's intelligence. Just as the ones int he second film couldve impregnated various types of beings (they obviously all werent born from colonists) hence their intelligence.
im reading too much into this, but i bet lv_426 could explain it better.

There's =no pleasing= AICN talkbackers? Well for one thing, notice how had to quote you? Yeah, why don't you fucking GET ON THAT!
Also, have we not been asking for an edit button, oh I don't know...FOR FUCKING EVER?
But to the issue at hand, we want AICN they way IT WAS! That means, REAL scoops, REAL news, not made up bullshit or pouncing on fake shit without checking anything out, as Harry has done time and time and time and time again.
Also, do you think maybe it would be possible to ahve somebody EDIT THE ARTICLES? You know, so they MAKE FUCKING SENSE? I don't know, is that asking too much?
As for you whole whiney bullshit about some talkbackers want spoilers and some don't, again, this was handled PERFECTLY back in the fucking day.
INVISO-TEXT MOTHER FUCKERS!
HELLLLOOOOOOOO!
What the fuck happened to the goddamned inviso-text. It was genious. It was perfect. People could read or not read however much they wanted. And talkbackers all handled the material respectfully of others. By the way, would it kill you to give us an inviso-text feature in the talkbacks? You know, like many other forums do?
So is the =no pleasing= AICN talkbackers? BULLSHIT! You know it. I know it.
Now quit your fucking whining and get that tubby bastard to fix this fucking site!

He was the fan that MADE IT! He was ON THE FUCKING SET of The Texas Chainsaw Massacre and fucking John Carpenter's Ghosts of Mars! He was there with Quentin Tarantino on the set of Kill Bill!
We were CHEERING HIM ON! He was giving us AMAZING inside information into how films were created, and we loved him for it!
And now we're told over and over how awesome The Human Centipede 2 is.
See the difference? Yeah.

Boy, you talkbackers are really getting your panties in a bunch about this, huh.
This site doesn't owe you anything.
Sure, your clicks bring revenue, but if you don't like AICN, you don't have to visit.
You say that the only good thing about this site is the talkbacks. If that's the case, you should be happy that Harry made such a fuck up, because it gives you something to talk about.
If you want scoops and news, there are a million other sites out there you can visit.
You guys are taking this as seriously as office politics or something. It's just the internet.

Remember Harry's "There and Back Again" articles at the turn of the century?
That pleased pretty much everyone as I recall (and then some).
Too bad *that* Harry is long gone...
Also, many of Quint's articles get nearly universal TB praise.
For the most part, TBers collectively know quality when they see it.

I really hate that all of a TBers posts get deleted when they are banned. It fucks up the flow of a talkback. If there is a really offensive post or something, it seems like it would be sufficient just to delete that one post.

It makes sense biologically, as an alternating generations type of reproductive approach, similar to what is seen in plants. The facehuggers would be the diploid stage produced through sexual recombination, and would implant haploid spores into host organisms, which would develop into the large aliens, which could mate to produce more facehuggers. The idea of humans being morphed into eggs as shown in the ALIEN director’s cut just seems sort of silly and unnecessary to me, as it requires two host organisms per life cycle. Besides, the queen alien is really bad ass and scary.

Aliens is a fucking FANTASTIC movie (don't make me tell the story about how my dad took me and my friends to see it on my 11th birthday) however, I like the life cycle from the first movie better. It's bizarre and horrifying, and more ALIEN.

When I first saw alien. I didnt get the hype. Aliens blew my fucking mind. apart. its one of my fave films and one of the greatest sequels of all time.
with alien its the face hugger scene that people think about and go is there somehing more meaningful here.
the rest of the movie is hack and slash monster movie.

...to work, at least based on social insects native to our planet.
And yes, I am relieved to post something not related to the meta-fest above, not that I'm diminishing its importance. If its important to a poster its important to the poster and that is that. Sorry, Cptblood, I do remember you posting before, but only in the midst of kerfuffles like this one, and always in smug and venomous defense of the site. I admire your loyalty but the way in which you express it has always been more toxic than helpful.
Now on to doing what I do when I post here, which is to be an over-educated, half-bright dilettante.
It is not uncommon for worker ants to lay eggs. These eggs, which are generally unfertilized, are usually eaten by other worker ants and the worker who has laid them is then chastised by other ants in the colony. In termites, where there is an even more freewheeling reproductive cycle than in ants, inter caste Termopsidae are a relatively common phenomena.
So, assuming that the alien reproductive and social structure mirrors to some degree that of our own social insects (argued for by both the hive structure and 'queen' ant in the second film) it would follow that the workers/warriors/foragers are all biologically female. Therefore it would follow that they are all theoretically capable of laying eggs.
Now in most cases (not all; reproduction in the world of arthropods is pretty come as you are) these eggs would be unfertilized and therefore incapable of producing new members of the species (and yeah, it's the second part of this statement that contains the not all; like I said, come as you are). However, assuming that the Alien is not capable of this sort of biological cloning it would need something to 'fertilize' the biological material it has produced. Hence the fate of Dallas and the morphing of the Alien alien's biological material into the fertilized egg.
Because of this the deleted scene from Alien would not necessarily contradict the 'queen' seen in Aliens. Both would be part of the survival strategy for the species.

Never understood the fascination of trying to explain the whole thing in terms of some existing life form. Aliens would be alien, and save some things like binocular vision or other problems that might have only one evolutionary solution, they would be wholly ALIEN. Thus, I find the life cycle from the first film to be more frightening.

Yes, i saw ALIENS first like you and was captivated by it.
ALIEN, on the other hand, is a masterful take on the monster film. I noticed the last time i watched it that it takes an hour before the suspenseful stuff even begins. Prior to that, its a character driven story and are fully invested inthe fate of the crew when they start getting offed.

BUT THE ALIEN SPECIES CREATED THROUGH ACCIDENTAL BIO-ENGINEERING BY HUMANS USING THEIR DNA,IS MORE ALIEN?
If this is what is going to happen in the movie,if this is how Ridley explains the origin of the Alien species then you fucks who cricitize Aliens for not being enough "ALIEN" because of the more familiar Queen concept,you should crucify Ridley for this blapsemy.Because it completely removes the Alien-ness from the Alien species.
GOT IT?

...whether a reproductive cycle that requires a living host for each egg is practical for a social insect is another question entirely. But there's enough wiggle room there (ant herding, cannibalism and extrapolating on the reproductive cycles of some wasps) that I prefer not to let it bother me.
And its. Not once but twice in a row. I don't want an edit feature (they've always struck me as a bit dishonest), but damn.

as is, the Alien lifecycle in the theatrical cut of ALIEN and the lifecycle Cameron concocted for ALIENS work quite well.
If something is added in PROMETHEUS that contradicts ALIENS origins after 20 years, Im sorry, but if i have to choose one or the other for the franchise to make sense--i'll take the ALIEN-ALIENS-ALIEN³ canon over the retcon of PROMETHEUS.

is the design by Giger. especially the scene with the space jockey, which is..if not the greatest piece of set design in modern cinema. truly out of this world, creepy. that ii
and there is the quietness of the opening scene... there is very little music, when kane and company go down to the ship.
what makes alien so great though is the acting by john hurt and the scene of his demise is one of the finest pieces acting really. its all acting that scene. even down to the twitching. and that scene when the alien looks at the crew before picking them off over the duration of the film. rest of the cast are great even Ian Holm is great in it
Alien is a masterpiece of design, acting and atmosphere and editing.
aliens is of one the greatest sequels of all time. really superb. There were bits of Alien 3 I liked. I hated Alien Resurrection. with a passion. i thought it was loathsome. and really could not bear to watch it. It was a digusting movie to watch. in the cinema. vile

...and so, in a different way, is Aliens.
And strangely enough, I agree with most of what Creepy wrote in defense of Aliens, though I could scarcely disagree more with how he framed it against the original. But there are no moments in Alien that make me grit my teeth, and there are a few in Aliens (illegal alien...Arcturian poontang), anachronistic and goofy throwaway lines that break the reality of the film.
When I first saw Aliens I was disappointed with the queen. It's such a common trope to create a king cockroach and it nearly always diminishes the horror of the threat being portrayed. Imagine Invasion of the Body Snatchers with a King Pod or Night of the Living Dead with a First Zombie. But in Aliens it worked, both dramatically and thematically and if it did steal a great deal of the mystery from the Alien it did so as part of the construction of a fine film.
My point is that it does not rule out other possibilities. If creatures on earth are capable of mapping out multiple strategies for species survival then certainly a creature that, however originated, seems to have been constructed for the sole purpose of species survival could be reasonably expected to have done so as well.

One of the best ensembles ever. Great acting from every one. But Kotto/Parker is a rock. Love how his character evolves from someone who hates everything into someone who wants to be the hero. Wish Prometheus was really about Brett and Parker: The Early Years.

Someone's gotta lay all those facehugger eggs (facehuggers do not come out of people). Facehuggers mostly just implant drones in people, but every once in a while, a queen will bust out of someone's chest, lay more eggs. I think Cameron's approach was the natural way to go.

The frozen Kane wouldnt have passed past the ICC quarantine,when the Nostromo arrived at Earth.
Unless Ash sabotaged the cryopods and killed the whole crew during the flight and then arranged for the Company to get the frozen body without ICC knowing.

Maybe Ash didn't want to take a chance on freezing Kain until he was implanted with the embryo... since (again, maybe) the freezing process might kill the face-hugger or stop the process.
So he let the face-hugger "do its thing."
But then Kain wakes up and Kain mis-calculates that Kain would burst so soon before going into cryo-freeze (during their "last meal.")
Just a dopey theory of mine. Not saying it's correct.
Anyone..?

Knowing what happens, Holm plays it perfectly and you can see subtle hints (glances and 'helpful suggestions') that hes privy to whats up and even convinces and withholds info/actions at the expense of the crew.

Great, GREAT performance. Probably my favorite actor in the film. All the little details like the jogging in place, the stuttering/hesitating with some of the dialog, the finger waving, the pure joy he is experiencing, knowing that the life form will soon be brought back to the ship.
WOW.
Always loved his performance. During every one of my 50, 60+ viewings.

I'm trying to remain spoiler free for Prometheus but I couldn't resist checking the end of that script to see if it used the most predictable ending a fan script could use.
I knew, without doubt, it'd end on the derelict ship where you see a glimpse of the alien before the credits. Such an AVP style ending, that surely would have given it away as a fake. I'm pretty sure the Alien won't even be in it at all, never mind to just set up for a movie we've already all seen.
I expect the ending to Prometheus will be something that raises questions, not a "set-up" to the film that comes after it. We're not watching this film as a prequel, but rather delve into the story of the space jockey and explore the mysteries of that species. Whenever I watch Alien, the derelict is the most fascinating part of the movie - you almost with Kane didn't discover the alien eggs so soon so they'd explore more of it. This is what this film is - we have four films of the alien already (and two pieces of filmed AVP fan fiction) so let's forget about it and go another direction.

...and would be great (in a horrible kind of way) for a new Zombie movie; where the living are directed like the ants before the becoming set decoration!
Awesome find. Right, I better start writing the script!
Keep cool,
Ummphoo

From the moment Kain's jettisoned body tumbles and fades out into space, for me, the movie falls to a slightly-better-than-average "run away from the monster" movie.
It is the fascinating exploration, the sheer ELECTRIFYING LEVEL of anticipation and awe during the journey to and inside the Derelict — that I find unbeatable by any other sci-fi film ever made. ANY.
Can't be done.
And that includes, I am willing to bet, PROMETHEUS.
As much as I hope I am wrong in that statement, I don't expect this new one to come close.
But it will be awesome, I think, on different levels.
Just... god, I hope Ridley fascinates us and we haven't seen too much already.

Alien-sque experience of the unknown that you so fondly seek.Do you know why? i will give you a hint:
LASER SCANNING DRONES
do you understand where i am getting to?
compare the scene from the P trailer where they send their cool flying gadgets to scan the interior of the Temple as part of their exploration procedure,to the sequence in ALIEN where they put their spacesuits,get out in the alien planet and explore in person for the first time the Derelict.
Think about it,think how they have approached the original movie,think how they have approached they new movie and tell me if you still believe that you re going to get the same experience from P.

Come on now.
I wouldn't want to be the young couple sitting in front of me during Prometheus because I'm going to spray my seed all over the fucking place. You ever see a video of a chick that can squirt like a fucking fire hose? Yeah.

could not agree more. Same is true with the last 20 minutes of Blade Runner. Scott was not the best action director in the 80's but he was the master of mood, space and tension. After Black Hawk Down, I can not longer say he's not a great action director. Hopefully the moody Scott from the 80's can merge with his new found action skills for Prometheus.

And as we saw in Alien 3, I believe the facehugger also burned its way through Ripley's and Newt's cryotubes, didn't it? Secreting acid?
I think Parker could've made it if not for Lambert. And Yaphet Kotto did apparently antagonize Bolaji Badejo (the alien) on-set, pumping himself up for the final fight. He was apparently half-convinced he could survive the film. What a trip.
Watch Alien again remembering Ridley's fascination with the androids - in Alien, Blade Runner and now Prometheus - and focus in on Ian Holm as Ash, and his narrative and his performance choices. It is fascinating. He clearly feels more of a kinship with the newborn monster than the others. He's like a violent child in some ways. That's also what I like about Alien Resurrection - Sigourney's eccentric new Ripley.

No matter how "good" or "great" or "shitty" or whatever the case ends up being, Prometheus won't give us the same feeling ALIEN did. It is a different film. A different time. A different target demographic. And certainly a different Ridley Scott.
We might not get ALIEN but maybe something just as cool? Maybe?
Wouldn't you rather get a brand new, ORIGINAL PIECE OF SCI-FI out of Ridley than another pile of shit like Transformers or another RE-BOOT of something? I sure would.
Oh, what if they RE-BOOTED ALIEN?! That sure as shit would be cause for alarm. I'd be freaking LIVID!!!!
Here's one thing I will say. And see if you agree to a certain extent here. Give it some thought.
If everything goes well, I think what we'll end up with is a really great piece of sci-fi here. It will intrigue us, scare us, show us something new, entertain us, make our eyes well up with tears and make us ponder lots of shit. Impress us to such a degree that we shit ourselves. And talk about it for hours after we walk out of the theater. Right?
Maybe it's more like Mass Effect, only with added layers of suspense and terror.
If everything goes RIDICULOUSLY WELL, then we end up with something TOP-SHELF. Maybe, just maybe, so great it is worthy of sitting with the likes of ALIEN and 2001. I know it's a long shot. But Ridley said over and over that Prometheus is "epic." I don't think — even at 75 years of age — Sir Ridley is going to just shit that word out and throw it around just because it sounds good. This * truly * could — COULD BE — epic.
Maybe?
I'd rather be positive than resign myself to the "Meh" thing. I am excited to see — no, I am excited to EXPERIENCE — what we get on June 8th...

Well, at the very least, we'll definitely be seeing more exploration of it. That scene where they're lowering Kane into the egg chamber and you can see for absolutely miles down this never ending cave is one of my favourite moments.
You see the space jockey and think "what the hell is that? How could such a thing even exist? How did this thing even fly?" It's just too alien to comprehend - such a brilliant design.
However that egg chamber - you just want to see what's further down that cave. After just minutes of being in there we've seen the space jockey and an egg chamber, so who knows what else we'd discover. What weirdness is out there. If Kane didn't fall amongst those eggs we may have found out.
Prometheus will at least give us that. We'll get to see more of the ship and what lies beyond those corridors. There's a chance we won't be satisfied but, until then, we'll definitely enjoy the anticipation, which is why I know I'll enjoy the movie. As long as I know I'm watching a film with that derelict ship in again, I'm happy no matter what is discovered there this time.

There's also the stuff that Scott is apparently bringing back in from Giger's old artwork (including the discarded Jodorowsky Dune work) and O'Bannon's original drafts, with the pyramid, the egg silo - look at the Alien blog "Strange Shapes" and you get a sense that he's finally getting to play with stuff they could not previously afford (the pyramid was cut for budget and time back in '79).

BUT the real,cleaner and more concetrated criticism of the movie's quality, will start coming AFTER the initial eager expectation of the fans will have been satisfied and their enthusiasm has been settled down.
I am sure that everyone,fans,film critics,among them myself too,will praise P as the best scifi of the last decade and the best sequel in the Alien franchise.
But after some time has passed and after all that frenzy has stopped for good,then we can discuss how great Prometheus really is.
Like what happened with TDK and a lot of other big event movies.

No, no, see — I love this stuff also! I watch the movie staring at awe at this stuff.... trust me, I do. I'm an artist. I appreciate every little beautiful detail!!!
I guess what I meant to say is, the film itself, the plot and the overall events as they unfold — with the exception of the entire "ASH IS A GODDAMN ROBOT!" sequence of events — is inferior to the awe and wonderment and pure amazement of the stuff we witness * before * Kain gets jettisoned.

Back about 3 months before A.I. came out Harry (I think) reviewed a script for A.I. that was almost embarrassingly fake. Strangely the article disappeared and was never mentioned again, leading me to believe it was a source of humiliation.<P>
Lesson: Just wait until the damn film is released.

Literally 3 minutes after I posted a critical comment about his interview with Guy Pierce I was banned (as banned_dirty_ape)
I was very critical bceause I genuienly didnt think it was a good interview, but I wasn't rude not did I make any personal comments about him or his family or whatever. I didnt even call him Nerdling or anything like that.
And I even said that, in fairness, Pierce didn't seem like an easy interview subject.
Sorry, but I just think that is absolutely pathetic. That guy is just so insecure - if you don't praise him, or if you disagree with him, he bans you. At least Harry hasn't done that despite all the very critical outrage on this Talkback.
In all honesty if that is what AICN has become I don't even want to come here. By all means ban those people who act inappropriately or make personal defamatory statements, but you get banned just because a moderator is so insecure about their work? Pathetic.
Maybe instead of acting like a 10 year old, Nordling should just be more professional in his writing and then folks like me wouldn't have to have a pop at him.
So be warned....if you want to post in a Nordling Talkback make sure you are sycophantic because the poor senstitive amateur writer cannot take any negative comments at all.
And so the clock is now running to see howlong before I get banned again.

That may be the key - I hadn't thought of that.
But, you know, if people like Nordling want to be thought of as professional movie writers, they need to act professionally; improve their writing, conduct better (and properly researched) interviews and also accept that negative responses are part of the job.
Or they can just accept they are amateurs in which case we would treat them accordingly.
Nordling's reaction to my post was just laughable and exposes him for the immature twit he is. Say what you will about aharry Knowles but even he acts better than that.
For the future, I just wont bother reading anything submitted by Nordling. He won't miss me and I sure as hell won't miss his 7th grade attempts at journalism.

So many of those guys are bitter, consciously jaded, myopic about certain genres, and constantly bitching about what some director or performer or functionary they don't really know said to piss them off at some event or in some press clipping, or what some staffer or client in the area did to screw them over, or how they don't like this site or that guy because of X, Y or Z. It's not about enjoying movies for most of them. It's about the grind and a lot of petty bitching and local gossip. And often that's because none of them are getting paid. They're struggling, they can't get traction to pay bills and nobody will read their script.
But Harry is not any of these dudes' ticket to ride. Harry has been unable to get any traction himself. He's become even more of a joke than he once was. He's completely bought and paid for, extremely easy to influence, and the only times he tries to color outside the lines now is when he jumps on an obvious hoax script. That's what he's been reduced to.
If Nordling or other AICN writers believe Harry will give them an advantage, they need to rewatch his new vlog which is clearly his singular focus. It's all about himself, his toys and how amazing HE is. Nothing else.

We can only HOPE Prometheus delivers to us, 50% of the greatness weaved into that tapestry.
The grit, the grime, the pacing, the music, the sound, the believability, the sprawling, shit-your-pants cinematography, the pure wonderment that is seeping from nearly every pore.
My favorite film of all time.
For me there is no equal.
ALIEN is the pinnacle of greatness in filmmaking.

Interestingly all the times I have been banned - except for one whne Capone did it because I made a Chicago joke - have been by Nordling. Every single time.
And I am pretty damn sure I have never ever been rude about him personally or his family, I've merely questioned his credentials as a writer. And I stand by that. I've not seen anything he has ever written which To me stands above a fan-piece. He knows about movies a bit, sure, but then so do I and I don't pretend to be a writer. I can write about film but probably not very professionally, so if I did submit somethi I'd be preapred to be slammed for it IF I presented myself as a professional the way Nordling does.
The fact is that Nordling just isnt a great writer. He isn't even a particularly good one. And whilst I appreciate that it is just an opinion,it isn't a sole opinion by any means. Loads of people apparently agree with me. Nordling's qualification would seem to be that he lives in Austin.

I've been banned, I don't know how many times. Most I don't really count because it was the result of flame war bullshit. You don't see that so much anymore but it used to take up a LOT of space on AICN. Back and forths 24/7 for days, or even weeks over one fucking subject. It was stupid and exhausting, and eventually everyone anywhere near it would get banned in huge swaths.
Also, Harry used to be VERY active in banning. He'd have that ban hammer at the ready for every article he'd write. You could literally refresh the screen and see several posts dissapear. He seems to have given up in that regard.
I can't remember what all I was banned for, but I remember one time it was for saying Harry had bacon grease for blood. Another time I laughed at his pathetic ass for saying he was going to go snuggle up to his George Harrison bobble head -LITERALLY- when George Harrison died.

That just shocked everyone. it was completely bizarre and I have to think medication had something to do with it.
Also Harry had a weird predilection for homoeroticism for awhile. I would say for at least a 6 month period, maybe around that same time, he could not write a review without bringing some sort of weird gay fantasy into it.
He'd go on about some male actors perfectly sculpted ass, or how delicious they looked with their shirt off.....I mean freaky shit.
Again it was all in his casual "I just loves me sum moobies" way....but it was defnitely odd. For awhile there it was an always present ingredient in a Harry review, along with name-dropping and recounting his childhood.

but I tried kicking his ass. and he tore into me something stupid...
I was in no way demeaning towards him but I tried to say look at least encourage up and coming filmmakers. as harry is anti the studio system. and there is nothing wrong with independent filmmaking.
but No. he tore into me. and went on about building an extension to his house or something.
Harry knowles doesnt know anything about film nor film criticism.

he talks about this debacle and he clearly states his position:
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BUT do realize, for me - I feel no shame in the following.
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It is pretty clear he doesnt give a fuck about what happened.In fact he must be very satisfied with the final outcome,because this fiasco not only caused a high traffic for his site but also the site and his video debut was mentioned and commented in many other movie sites,hell it even was news in Huffington Post.
No advertisement is bad as they say,even the negative one.

...and I hate being branded an apologist, but there is some behavior on the site that you guys find infuriating that I just find familiar and predictable...
...Harry could have been expressing his sadness over the fate of Drogo without wanting to spoil Drogo's fate for those who had not seen the series and then adding that he couldn't wait for season 2 as a separate clause.

Just came into the conversation and Hell if I'm going to read the entire talkback thread (I wish there were a way to weed out the 'IT SUCKS! BLLAAAGGGH GAAAAYYY" etc. garbage posts from the intelligent discussions I mean, seriously...Who the fuck cares who's FIRST!) anyway...
Read the script that was up on prometheus-the-movie.com and I'll say this:
If it's the real deal, whomever transcribed it or whatever should be shot. SO poorly done. Someone needs to learn when and when NOT to use an apostrophe.
Poor transcribing aside: it's a very interesting script. It's very much more of a sci-fi horror film ala' ALIEN than a sci-fi military film ala' ALIENS. The beginning is very much like ALIEN in fact. Lots of interesting questions as to the origin of the universe etc.
And it's certainly an ALIEN prequel. It was pretty good, actually.

I do think it's VERY suspect that Harry hasn't made any further response/retraction/apology about this script debacle. Devil's advocating here....there are a lot of personal attacks on here towards him which are out of line...but the professional ones are certainly warranted, and if he would just own up and say he messed up, got duped, whatever..it would garner a little respect in my opinion. I also have to say that his show was POINTLESS. Why would he think anyone would want to watch him thumb through a catolog? As for his dvd column--he might as well incorporate that into the show-might be the only relevance we can get out of it. Also....I give props to Billy for posting on this thread. He seems like the only competant one working on this site currently...and the only one who gives a shit. Keep it up Billy!

I'd love to see a character in an Alien film just say *fuck it* and run away while some other poor sap is getting assaulted by the creature.
Kinda like Robert Carlisle in 28 Months Later.
We always see some attempt to save the other person (Parker and Lambert in ALIEN, and then Hicks tried to hold onto Hudson as aliens were dragging him down into the air ducts in ALIENS).

IT IS INCONCEIVABLE THAT THE LYING SCOUNDREL RESPONSIBLE FOR LOST WOULD BE BELIEVED OR RESPECTED EVER AGAIN!!!!!!
Yes, I'm still a bit miffed about being suckered. But just how is this person reliable?

After all of this time, I figured out how to be trendy and edgy.... here... wait just a moment:
Harry, I appreciate the work on this site.
See? While you guys are being total sheep and mocking him, I take Harry for the eccentric genius, thus I'm cool now. I'm bucking the majority, thinking different like Steve Jobs.
Now I'm going to pen a script about Harry and wait for Tim Burton to show up and do a movie that portrays him as a sort of Ed Wood/Edward Scissorhands tragic protagonist. I'm also going to wait to be deluged with goth and trendy pussy from girls who "get it."
Or, I could be drunk.
Whatever, I do think people beat up Knowles like a goddamn pinata, and he never changes. He's a good fucking sport.

I think the Ripley 8 character is interesting, but I also kind of hate to lose the blue collar space trucker version of Ripley. The original incarnation of Ripley is much more believable and easier to relate to. I can sort of put myself in Ripley's shoes, or Parker's, or Hick's for example. A lot of the characters in Alien Resurrection were too cartoonish and a bit too stylized. When we go through the journey of Alien and Aliens with these more down to earth everyman and everywoman characters, it feels like we are actually there with them sweating it out. It is easier to transport yourself to these futuristic locales because we can do so through the characters.
That is why Alien Resurrection is such a fail. The characters. Alien³ not so much in this regard, because that one still had a lot of that stark and gritty reality that the first two Alien films displayed with near perfection.
Just think what Alien Resurrection could have been had Ridley Scott or James Cameron signed on to direct and then brought Whedon's script back down to reality a bit. Ridley would have hired another writer to polish the script, while Cameron would have rewritten it himself or with a co-writer. Throw in some more intense scares and action, throw out the silly humor (some humor is okay, but Resurrection's was just so goofy and bizarre that it was too distracting), and we'd have gotten something that would have probably been really worthy of sitting alongside the other three Alien films.
If anything, with someone like Ridley Scott or James Cameron directing it, Alien Resurrection could have been the perfect blend of Alien and Aliens. Less aliens but still with the military element for some sci-fi action, but then there is the fact it is taking place in a more claustrophobic environment being that they were on a starship. So there you'd have the more stalker style aliens having to use the environment to their advantage and couldn't do a brute force attack like the hundred or so did in Aliens. Perhaps they couldn't use guns or grenades right off due to the worry of a hull rupture from wounded aliens running around bleeding acid all over the place. They'd have to rely on flamethrowers until later, when things get so bad they whip out the pulse rifles and smart guns out of truly needing them to survive. This would have initially helped keep things more intense like Alien with just flamethrowers (incinerator units), and then towards the climax when the shit really hits the fan, the film could switch a bit to the action/adrenaline feel of Aliens.
There is also a major tonal problem with Alien Resurrection in that it never really seems to know what it wants to be. Does it want to be more dread inducing horror like the original Alien or a thriller like Alien³ was? Then it sort of teases us by implying that it will be another Aliens with some scares and action via the military in space angle, but then wanders down the alley of bizaroo comedy. So is it a dark comedy sci-fi hybrid now?
Sir Ridley or Iron Jim would have also realized the need to bring things back into a proper continuity by setting it say 25-30 years after Alien³, and having Weyland Yutani as the greedy human villains cloning Ripley to retrieve the alien DNA. This would have been interesting in that they could have had the ending battle on Gateway Station, since the Auriga was heading towards Earth. There was no mention of Gateway in Resurrection, and is assumed to be gone or abandoned.
It just doesn't feel necessary to have 200 years pass before the tech to clone someone is going to be available to these spacefaring people of the future. Hell, they'd probably already have cloning by the time of Alien, let alone 57 years later when Aliens and Alien³ occur. If anything, there would be some genetic engineering in the creation of the androids, if not to outright clone them, but perhaps to study human DNA and replicate it in a synthetic variant so as to make androids credible enough to pass for humans (ie certain components like skin, hair, and eyes).
I'd also liked to have seen how Sir Ridley or Cameron would have developed Winona Ryder's *auton* android character into a more interesting being. Jeunet didn't seem to really give a fuck about the larger science fiction ideas present in the Alien universe. Cameron being so good at doing strong female characters, would have probably built her up into something a bit more memorable at least. Ridley might have explored the philosophical notions of a more advanced type of android than we'd seen up until that point in the Alien films.
They also missed the huge opportunity to have some of the freaky half xeno/half Ripley clones 1-7 running around and messing with people. Maybe not all of them, but one or two at least. I think my favorite one was the one that looked the most like an alien warrior/drone:
http://www.lynx-lair.com/zen/images/mc/AR106.jpg
http://images.wikia.com/avp/images/f/f1/Clones-3-6.jpg
If anything, the newborn could have looked more like that eyeless clone with the elongated head and been more frightening than the one we ended up with.
And my mind weeps when I think of the what-if scenario of Sir Ridley or Cameron making Alien Resurrection and bringing Giger onboard to design all the alien creatures, mutated Ripley clones, etc.
The fact that I can rant on about Alien Resurrection though, I think that shows there is something there for me, as I can't say I totally hate the film. There is some really great stuff in it hiding under the surface trying to get out. It is too bad that it was such a great opportunity for such a potentially great entry to the Alien series.

God, people react like a mistake is the end of the universe. I'm not Harry's biggest fan, mainly because he writes in stream-of-consciousness too often and his work is riddled with what I feel are unnecessary sexual references, but I don't think it's enough to dissuade me from AICN. In general, I just avoid his stuff.
I'm looking forward to Prometheus and didn't even bother reading his "preview," but I do like reading stuff from the guys like Nordling, Quint, and now Billy. There's obviously a love of film here, and most of the TB'ers are game to have fun with it.
Face it, it's a helluvalot more fun to blab here (harsh words notwithstanding) than on many other movie sites.

Idk, man. I'm a big fan of the Alien series, but even I don't think A/Resurrection could have been saved. I know Whedon was brought in to script it, but I think the premise was flawed from the get-go.
I'll be honest, I've had so little regard for it that I only now looked up some of the backstory on how the script got written and Whedon seems to have clearly been an Alien fan himself. Just like any fanboy, he wanted the final battle to be on Earth. Hell, I remember seeing the teaser trailer for Alien 3 running on a TV in the theater in about 1991 with the tagline, "In 1979 you learned that in space no one can hear you scream. In 1991 you'll learn that here, on Earth, everyone can hear you scream." Whedon wanted the final act to be on Earth, but the studio stopped it.
I just felt, like you, that the characters were too cartoonish. When Hedaya's character reaches back, pulls out a piece of his brain from the cavity the Alien gouges in the back of his skull, then looks at the chunk with his eyes crossed, I just groaned internally. The film went downhill from there. The casting of guys like Dourif just sent it into B-level territory for a film that, to that point, had been treated like an A-level film. And the director was just, plain wrong for the material. (Idk when it was filmed, but the alternate beginning with the pullback from the bug in the dome should have been a clue they had the wrong guy.)
I think that Jim left the franchise because he didn't really have anything new to say with it. I don't think Ridley worries as much about the script as he does about the visuals, which I think is pretty clear from all of the films he's done. And I think Giler and Hill have had an inordinate amount of influence over the script direction and they are as much to blame for the weak outcome of A/R as anyone else.
And I HATE HATE HATE the "newborn." It shares almost nothing in common with Giger's biomechanical design and just comes across as an ugly, pregnant...thing that is more about grossing the audience out than presenting them with something truly interesting. I know ADR is a quality outfit, but they've done NOTHING with creature design that truly impresses me. They've got some of the best rubber suit guys in the business, but their designs have all left me cold. (Just look at the crappy Predalien from AVP:R as an example.)
No, I think A/Resurrection was simply a mess of a movie that no director could have saved. The need to preserve the Ripley character made Whedon's job incredibly difficult and it was hard to build a logical film around the need to bring her back into the picture. It felt to me a lot like A/3 in that there were simply too many cooks.

I been here for over five years and cant wait to get the fuck outta here. (If you're from NY/NJ/etc DONT EVER FUCKIN MOVE HERE).... Harry epitomizes the typical "TEXAN".... they have no real INDIVIDUALITY (yes, even the geeks and hipsters in Austin)... every one of them no matter what social segment they represent... everything is about image and who you think you know based on superficial "favors" and name-drops..... there is no personality. .. its like a psychic-pinball game going on and you cant trust anybody because nobody really has a soul to begin with.... at least you know a New Yorker is gonna fuck you five times before your ass is even wet ..... just google the FilmThreat "expose" on AICN that was written over ten years ago . . . .. and then re-read Harry's initial "review" of the script and then read his rebuttal.......

and I agree with what you are saying about the craptacularity that is Alien Resurrection.
I think that the only way Alien Resurrection could have had a chance of being good would have been if Sir Ridley or Cameron had been at the helm. Although, we'll never know and it could have still been a turd of a film anyways. I guess I just find it fun to speculate on what might have been.
Jeunet actually had some nice imagery and sets, and also some good moody cinematography from Darius Khondi. The problem is, and I am guessing that Whedon is partly to blame here, is that it is all undercut by all the retarded bizarre humor that fills every nook and cranny of the film.
Alien 3 followed by Alien Resurrection, this is also where the wheels started to come off of the Alien saga. There is only so many times that Ripley can fight the alien before it becomes a bit old hat for her as a character. That is the key to both Alien and Aliens, the characters are experiencing the alien threat for the first time and are filled with dread and confusion. Except Ripley in Aliens (but then she has the facing her fear stuff she is going through so it makes her character relevant), all the characters are thrust into having to face the alien(s) for the very first time. Alien 3 didn't work as well because the threat level went back to one alien after Aliens, and even then it was never treated like the creature in the original. Just because they didn't have weapons? Sorry, but that ain't enough in my book. The crew of the Nostromo didn't have much beyond the flamethrowers and they were much smaller in number (6 after Kane birthed their problem in the first place) while there were many more in Alien 3 (20 or so).
David Fincher went mostly for speed over stealth. Cameron had enough of both to balance things out, plus the idea of many aliens coming at you all at the same time! Then the queen reveal had its own process and ended in an epic battle that was very satisfying, both in a pure adrenaline pumping manner, but also in the completion of the character arc of Ripley letting her face her fear of these creatures.
Fincher also emphasized gore and shock value over the *less is more* style scares of Alien and Aliens. Not to say Alien 3 was all bad, as it had more of a psychological horror vibe to it with Ripley carrying a queen larvae, and the oppressive nature of Fury 161 adding to the mix.
Now, to say that Alien and Aliens shied away from the gore would be wrong, but I guess the way they did it was more interesting to me. The big gory scene in Alien is obviously the iconic chestburster. In Aliens, I think it might be Bishop getting ripped in half by the queen. There was something more disturbing about that though. Seeing all that milky android blood, was just kind of mind-bending back when I first saw the film. Same with Ash's demise in Alien. You can only repeat the red bloody gore so many times within a serious horror film before the impact vanishes. But throw in some milky android blood, and it really makes the audience say WTF is going on here. It is surreal without being too wacky or wonky if I may.
I just think that after Aliens, it starts to become kinda silly that Ripley does just about everything except blow up the entire Sulaco to keep the damn aliens from pestering her for eternity. In Aliens she was a consultant to the marines, but still apprehensive and holding back that fear. By Alien 3 she seemed too jaded and used to the thing to really seem all that scared anymore, plus the alien wouldn't kill her anyways because of the queen. So by going with the psychological aspect, they lost too much of the fight or flight primal terror and dread of Alien and Aliens.
Then again, I see the temptation that the studio and other filmmakers had with continuing the saga, because it is such a rich universe to play in and the films were a success... so why not make more for the $$$?
The reason I keep going back to Alien and Aliens is that both feel like a dread filled nightmare that one might have in this day and age. That mix of complex layers of tech with organic elements and sex and death. Both films are very primal in nature and that is because the characters facing the ultimate beast that is the alien, is fresh for them. For some reason, that never gets old for me.
Damn strong archetypal dread resides in both Alien and Aliens. There is a reason that both Alien and Aliens begin and end with the human characters (our conduit into this dark dream of the future) in a sleep state. Dreams. Nightmares. The line between dreams and reality is also a sub theme in Aliens. Both Ripley and Newt can finally sleep and dream at the end. Or at least they feel they can eventually... someday dream without the nightmare overwriting and hijacking every slumber.
That is why Prometheus has a lot of work cut out for it. Hopefully Sir Ridley can still manage to delve into and incite the beasts that reside deep down in the dark recesses of our minds.

Harry got a fake script, didn't take five minute to Google it or run it by his -wonderful night of geeking out and drinking- pal Damon Lindelof, thought it would be a great platform to launch his -ode to self- youtube episode (which, actually, was nicely done), and threw it out there with a glowing review.
Who got duped?

I haven't made a short since last summer, sadly, and so far this year has been extremely busy with production work. Which is good; I've been saving up my money so that I can make some quality shorts this summer when work finally dries up (or I may just have to do what I hate to do and actually turn down work and money so that I can make something for myself).
Do you still hang around the Moonwolves? I'll be sure to post links there to my shorts when I finish so that you can check them out!

You're right, I don't think I have had the pleasure of chatting with you before. And I agree with just about everything you said up above in your post (cept I loved John Carter). I gotta run to work, but I'll be on the lookout for your posts in the future.

But they need to be screened a bit because a lot of people have no idea how to actually do it.
I've written movie, DVD and Blu-ray reviews for a couple of newspapers and for a website called dvdivas.net. I did this for years and although different editors have different requirements, certain things need to be in there.
And it's more than just going down a checklist too. You need to have a background in feature writing so it all comes together and it actually interesting and more importantly, not confusing for the reader.
I realize I'm sort of a stickler and that's pie in the sky for what we would get here. There's certainly an appeal to a man-on-the-street, you-are-there format. That's kind of what has made AICN stand out after all.
But if we could just get a smidgen of editing, it wouldn't be a bad thing. Oftentimes things can be said way simpler than the first go-around. And simpler is almost always better in feature writing.
I guess what I'm really getting at if I'm being honest.....I WANNA DO IT!

of the first 12 mins of promtheus. plus a montage and a q and a with Ridley Scott, Micheal Fassbender, theron and Noomi Rapace.
I am very tempted to debunk the BS that harry posted.
but I will get verbal beaten alive by talkbackers if I do.

Schadenfreude. At least admit it. Stop with the excuses. It's a perfectly natural reaction to failure, especially if you've convinced yourself that it's trivial... not a big deal... deserved or *brought on yourself*. And MOST of all if you protest a little too much at the suggestion. It may seem convenient, and it is. Until it's not, and it's blatantly obvious.
Yeah, it looks like a huge mistake was made, but like Billy here says, it really does seem like you're rooting for failure and genuinely impossible to please.
I'm as guilty as anyone. I thought to myself how hard I'd laugh my ass off if it turned out that Damon was disowning a shit early draft of his own creation.
Same.fucking.thing.
Although I had to face the fact that I don't think he's an asshole. So it is doubtful.
Except I have this instinct in me that gets seriously pissy when it feels like someone is getting ganged up on. And that's how this felt. That and the fact that a few of you seem a little bit too .... ecstatic ...almost aroused in your joy at this failure.
What would you call that?
A Schhardonfreude? (pronounce that)
A Failure GleeBoner?
A PityJoy Stiffie?
Just rub some of that Failine Solution on it.
Love you guys. Just... maybe ease up a bit.