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Blindsite, I'm sorry man but the Panthers have no place in this discussion. It's gotten to the point of blind homerism now lol.

The fact is the team is where they are in small part because of the slow development of a few of those young players you speak of, and to be honest it really isn't an elite bunch anyways. Compare that to the Ravens, Giants, and Jets.

I listed 16 players who've begun or are proving their worth, around the same numbers I count on the Giants, Ravens, Green bay and Arizona teams.

Sure the guys might not supplant the guys on those particular rosters, but they'd start for a hell of a lot of teams in the NFL, especially where the running backs, secondary, linebackers and linemen are concerned.

Oh and the team is solely where it is, because of the QB position. There is no way you can argue against that, the protection has been good, the defense has been very good at times and the only real let downs have come through turnovers and crappy execution in the passing game.

Yeah good points, but i still think you might be overrating the overall talent on the roster. And as you said, the qb play is holding them back and can you honestly see how that is going to change in the next few years? I know it's ridiculous predicting that far into the future but a solid team like Carolina is going to struggle to get into a position to acquire a premier qb talent. I kind of liken them to the Pacers in the NBA, solid, edge of the playoffs team, just hard to see them pushing a superbowl berth.

That's my fear as well. I can see a massive overhaul of the coaching staff and QB position coming, it depends on matt moore and what happens this upcoming off season.

Something has to be done though or the veterans will move on and the young guys won't be happy where they are.

Delhomme is done as far as I'm concerned as a starting QB in the NFL unless he finds a way to massively turn around his game. The only difference between this year (1-3) and last (12-4) is Jake Delhomme's performance.

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I hate seeing everyone post their teams young guys. Who cares if they're young, what we do care about is if they're young AND good. With that said, the Ravens and Jets seem to be far and away the most young and talented teams out there.

Well we're one of the best teams in the league and the only part of our team that doesn't qualify as young is the interior oline. Thus I felt like listing our "young" roster. I think it's fair to say that the giants are in the discussion for best young talent.

BK

Originally posted by AcheTen

JPP is a better and more productive player than Brandon Graham

Originally posted by abaddon41_80

Is Shaun Hill a top 10 QB? Definitely not. Is he a top 20 one? Almost certainly.

Originally posted by JBCX

Most misleading 10+ sack season EVER.

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Well we're one of the best teams in the league and the only part of our team that doesn't qualify as young is the interior oline. Thus I felt like listing our "young" roster. I think it's fair to say that the giants are in the discussion for best young talent.

The Gaints are quite literally the example in the NFL right now of smart franchise building.

Them, the Eagles, the Patriots and the Steelers, perfect examples of how football teams should be run.

Offense has some really nice building blocks, high end talent. Kevin Smith was a third round pick and can be labeled a steal. His case really is the lack of holes and push by the offense line. He has a really bad YAC but I still really like the burst he has and you can tell the offense doesn't function the same when he's not out there. I think once you see Backus replaced and the LG position figured out Kevin Smith will break out.

The defense doesn't really have much young talent. Sammie Lee Hill has won the starting job, not saying much but he beat out other veterans. Last year draft pick Landon Cohen was a force in pre-season, haven't heard his name much since. Jason Hunter has been in a force and been a nice pick up.

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The Gaints are quite literally the example in the NFL right now of smart franchise building.

Them, the Eagles, the Patriots and the Steelers, perfect examples of how football teams should be run.

I know it's premature to say dynasty until we win another 2 superbowls but I fully believe we will be top SB contenders for the next 5 years at least, and with Reece's ability to own the draft it could be longer.

BK

Originally posted by AcheTen

JPP is a better and more productive player than Brandon Graham

Originally posted by abaddon41_80

Is Shaun Hill a top 10 QB? Definitely not. Is he a top 20 one? Almost certainly.

Originally posted by JBCX

Most misleading 10+ sack season EVER.

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I know it's premature to say dynasty until we win another 2 superbowls but I fully believe we will be top SB contenders for the next 5 years at least, and with Reece's ability to own the draft it could be longer.

I tend to agree, there's literally no weaknesses on the Giants unit with the maturation of Webster at CB. I'd like to see a top flight play making MLB once pierce is gone but outside of that I don't see any issues at all on the line up.

It's one of the reasons I hate the Giants for one week the last two years. Other than that I love watching them play.

Ever read "the GM" ? Giants fans would love it, it's got a lot of stuff from just before the superbowl year and it's a really interesting read due to the strategy and inner workings involved, especially since the rewards were reaped just a year after it is set. One of my favourite NFL books.

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I don't like NFL books very much. Then again I haven't been reading much outside the realms of economics, politics and warfare for a while so it might be something to think about for mixing things up.

Honestly, it's money you will not regret spending. I read it in a weekend, started reading and could not put it down. Strahan's book is kind of cool, even though it's not exactly in depth.

My library is the same, almost all politics, war, very weighty in depth tomes, light NFL books are a good read for the most part, but the GM changed the way I look at football teams and made me a big time Giants fan after my first love.

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Honestly, it's money you will not regret spending. I read it in a weekend, started reading and could not put it down. Strahan's book is kind of cool, even though it's not exactly in depth.

My library is the same, almost all politics, war, very weighty in depth tomes, light NFL books are a good read for the most part, but the GM changed the way I look at football teams and made me a big time Giants fan after my first love.

When I read for entertainment I read sci-fi or fantasy books, favorite pure entertainment books for me were the Chronicles of Amber series, Snow Crash and the Wild Cards series (although I only read the first 6 books of it).

I'll give it a shot at some point but there's too much I still need to watch before I can get to reading something just for entertainment.

BK

Originally posted by AcheTen

JPP is a better and more productive player than Brandon Graham

Originally posted by abaddon41_80

Is Shaun Hill a top 10 QB? Definitely not. Is he a top 20 one? Almost certainly.

This group is scary good. They are prototypical of what you would want in an O-Line, young, nasty, big time talent with a veteran Center to make the line calls. The team has invested a lot in the draft and that results have been an offense that is one dominant WR away from an elite offense. What is crazy is Gaither gets hurt and they put in Marshal Yanda and don't skip a beat.

Now they are not uniformly young, but there is no team who has a better pair of bookend tackles that I would rather have than this team. Clady has become one of, if not the, premier LT in the NFL already. If I'm not mistaken, he hasn't allowed a sack yet. These guys paved the way for Jay Cutler's 4,000+ yard passing attack and are now allowing Kyle Orton to produce exceptional numbers.

The guys that no one talks about; after all, it is so much easier to focus on Ryan, White, Gonzalez and Turner. But the results speak for themselves: Matt Ryan has only been sacked 19 times in twenty games, Michael Turner has been allowed to get a head of steam and reach the second level often. The scary thing is Baker and Blalock are only getting better. I remember a lot of people were down on Baker, but I tell you that he has been exceptional at LT.