in my honest opinion, zooms. They equal to flexibility, meaning that if you are going hiking you can get widest range with zooms, meaning versatility (e.g.: 12-24, 24-70, 70-200.) Nowadays the quality of zooms is great and in that sense not major differences with primes.

Another case is if you are going to a certain location, you dont have to hike a lot to get there, there basically you can bring also primes and zoom with your feet if allows

I am in the process of selling a 24mm 1.4L II. I bought it to photograph stars, but the comma at f1.4 is horrible. once the 24 70 II was out I felt that I 2.8 is enough, mainly for landscapes and stars, so... no need to carry 2 24mm when I am out in the forest.... (the prime I used it also for landscapes).Cheers!

Your question was upgrade or wait. My suggestion was to wait, because there are going to be much better cameras available next year. Possibly even some from Canon, they can't keep dropping the ball forever.

Hello,

I respect the "waiting" decision, but I waited 7 years with a 10D ad was fine. When I bought a 5D mark II I thought why the h*** did I wait that long...

It is good not to be obssessed about the last cameras and stuff but waitig too long isnt good either.

As soon as Canon releases a full frame EOS M or similar mirrorless, they have me onboard with the M system. Of course assuming a similar IQ as the modern full frame DSRL cameras. For landscapes and general photography I will trade my 5D mark II for a much lighter mirrorless, any time (hiking is getting harder with all the weight of the camera + lenses).then for wildlife and some sports I do, 7D mark II with tripod/monopod wouldo do.

Now the question is how long do we have to wait?

Cheers!Victor

forever?

not to mention if you wanted a lightweight option APS-C or larger, nothing will get you there cheaper or lighter than an M with the 11-22mm. All three EF-M zooms combined with body I believe weigh in at less than 2.5lbs - that's 11mm to 200mm.

why would you want full frame which increases that weight dramatically?

Hei rrcphoto,

I think at some point, that may be (yes) far away in time, canon will release a FF mirrorless. If Sony has done it, so will Canon, I think they will have customers if they keep the good work.

You are the second person that recommends the M, maybe I should take a deeper look at it Is the 11-22mm comparable to a L lens.... ? I guess not, although may be very good.. i am hooked t L lenses, although they are expensive. i guess I cannot have it all....

I think going with zooms and maybe 6D in some time will make it. I have the lightest 70 200 L which I love and planning to keep or upgrade to the 70 300mm L which I like because of the extra reach and weight, although a bit bigger than the 70 200L f4.

As soon as Canon releases a full frame EOS M or similar mirrorless, they have me onboard with the M system. Of course assuming a similar IQ as the modern full frame DSRL cameras. For landscapes and general photography I will trade my 5D mark II for a much lighter mirrorless, any time (hiking is getting harder with all the weight of the camera + lenses).then for wildlife and some sports I do, 7D mark II with tripod/monopod wouldo do.

Now the question is how long do we have to wait?

Cheers!Victor

For landscapes the EOS M + 11-22 is a pretty good alternative for hiking. The IS makes it really useful for those sunset and blue hour shots. Plus if you need a tripod a much smaller and lighter one is all you really need. If you shoot RAW you'll not notice a huge difference between the end result (after PP) of this set up and FF. It surprised me how good the IQ from the M actually is.

The closest lightest FF equivalent of the above combo is a Sony A7 / or 6D with a EF 16-35 f/4L IS. I'll let you calculate how much the difference in cost is. You have to ask yourself are you getting that much better IQ? Better - yes but ten times better? No way.

Thanks Zv for your input!

I actually thought about the EOS M some time ago, but still does not convince me. Even at a shop today took a look at it, but.... I forgot to mention that I also like to shoot stars and northern lights and thus a high iso performance is convenient. I am not convinced at all about the ISO in crop cameras. I bought a 550D for my gf and I was actually surprised at the very good IQ, just that the high iso is very bad. I also like the perspective of wide lenses for landscapes, stars and northern lights (have a sigma 12 24mm) , so for that matter a FF is the way to go. I also kind of got hooked to L lenses , at least if I can afford them, which is not always. I'd rather dont buy anhting if it is not L, but maybe I am wrong.

maybe not the M but seriously thinking in a 6D. Thought some time ago about the Sony A7 but still not 100% sure about lens compatibility.

Well, anyway, now in the process to get rid of the old 24 70 2.8 that weights darn too much, planning to go for version II. If Iwould not need 2.8 I would buy the f4, but the aperture has been nice, overall. Other alternatives are the 16-35mm 2.8 but maybe wait.

Also trying to sell a 24mm 1.4L II but difficult to sell in Finland for the price I want, people go for the zooms instead in most of the cases.

As soon as Canon releases a full frame EOS M or similar mirrorless, they have me onboard with the M system. Of course assuming a similar IQ as the modern full frame DSRL cameras. For landscapes and general photography I will trade my 5D mark II for a much lighter mirrorless, any time (hiking is getting harder with all the weight of the camera + lenses).then for wildlife and some sports I do, 7D mark II with tripod/monopod wouldo do.

I would buy now. based on personal experience. I had a 10D for 7 years (from 2005 to 2012). I took very good pictures with it and it was overall a good camera, BUT when I upgraded to the 5D Mark II I realized that I could had bought it much earlier. Why? Because the upgrade was huge. Ony the possibility to shoot at ISO higher than 400 was worth it. Imagine the possibilities that opened up for me... amazing it was the change.

Although I do not see the point in buying a camera every year and just after its announcement, I will not wait again 7 years to buy the next model. I have had the 5DII for almost 3 years now and I thinking to upgade within a year depending on price and announcements. maybe 6D + 7D mark II (I am developing my wildlife photography) or 5D mark III. Or whatever comes next.

Think about that if you keep on waiting you can always wait for the next model, as the technology goes and goes and goes.

you have to think if you are going to be able to take back at least some of the money you have "invested" in the 1DX. I'd rather call "invest" a lens.

Think that this camera will decrease its price, probably reaching half of the actual within 2-3 years (second hand of course). It will be still an awesome camera with the same functions as today. But probably the 1DX II will be the flagship, so people will try to sell the 1DX to partially fund the newest. 1D mark IV is now here in Finland about 2000 Euros used, I am not sure how much was originally but I am sure a lot

IMHO 5D III is a wonderful camera i wish to have (I am still holding a 5D II), just enjoy it and dont think about the newest of the newest, go out and shoot and stop thinking about gear... unless you are a pro, of course.

I dont own the 6D and I am not sure that I will, but your review added a bit more of doubt when thinking about the next camera. So far, I am happy and my needs are fulfilled almost 100% of the times with a 5D mark II. Maybe in 6m.- 1 y. may be time to change. Or maybe not... I was 7 years with a 10D.. However, when my hands were on the 5D II I thought why didn't I change before... I think Either it will be 5D III or 6D + 7D mark II. I "unfortunately" am developing my skills in wildlife and is a field I really love and plan to shoot in the coming years.... so the 7D II seems a great camera for that too...

Anyway now I am redesigning my lens collection (selling my 24 1.4 II and 24-70 2.8 vI and buying the zoom vII) and possibly my cokin GND filters (to Lee). Did you start with the Cokin? Did you find any differences?

And really beautiful pictures you shot! I also shoot quite a lot of landscapes at f16 and above and was wondering about if there is someone else using these aperture! I have heard about the loss of sharpness at these high number apertures because of the diffraction. Any experiences on that? Any noticeable loss of quality? I know about it but really need those apertures many times for the purposes I want (as you, long exposures for example).

Congrats on your new purchase!!! A lens that probably I will never own

One question for all:

I have been checking the Canon refurbish site and I am wondering if they ship to Europe. Probably not, but asking doesn't harm... I have been trying to search for some form or email here in European site but did not find one.If they would be able to ship items between canon headquarters in different continents that would be awesome, but I doubt so.

Once I contacted to Lensrentals for one interesting purchase but, despite I found a method to ship it to Europe, they only would accept american credit cards, so I returned to look at the expensive and annoying Finnish market

Nice thread! Here in Finland there are several companies that offer hides to photograph bears or other species. It is not as "easy" as in America to do so.... Couple of weeks ago I went to photograph wolverines and at some point I needed to get out of the hide because there were Northern Lights. I was quite scared (a bear had been seen frecuently in the area) but nothin happened. IN here they normally run away if they spot a human. I thought that if I were in NA I would have been quite more scared that I was then... well, one day I really want to go to Canada and Alaska, at least. Even for a short term research position that also would allow me to know the area. I will ask for an expert or some fellow local photograher .... well, first I need to save money or get the position.

I understand the way you feel... I live in Finland and hte prices here are way MUCH more expensive than in the US. You just have to travel there once or twice a year to get rid of your G.A.S.

Althugh that is not always possible...

Regarding to this shop, pleasekeep us inform. I usually ignore these "too good to be true" deals but who knows??

It probably comes from Hong kong? If that is the case, check the warranty and that it has everything as it should, I have a friend that ordered the 70-200 2.8 IS II from some store from there and it came without serial numbers....

Just wait for your order and fingers crossed!! If you have purchased through visa or something like that it should not be a problem at all.

as many others have suggested, just try something new. Something you have never tried before, new technique, composition, subject, new use of your equipment....

Also: Read! There are thousands of very good photographers out there who are telling new ways to use flash, a lens, some slow speed photography (which I find VERY interesting)... there are thousands of things that we have not tried yet. But don't copy! Try to be creative.

Once I read that each photographer's style is a very personal view, created during years of personal time, interests and also influenced by others.... Your personal style will come after so many years of trying and practicing. In Helsinki, the bus routes are quite particular: most of them start near the central station, in the Railway Square, afterwards the buses separate after having shared a common route for some time (this varies). As a photographer ,you always will get into a bus in the Railway Square, then you'll share some route with others fellow photographers that may or may not get out to follow another route in another bus. Everyone will get out at the end in their very personal last stop. You and the influences you get will decide which one it is! I am still traveling, may continue in this bus for some time or may try another one...