Wednesday, November 14, 2012

Thomas Friedman can be a clueless buffoon at times, but the one thing he does know about is the Middle East. What I find fascinating about his nightmare scenario is the way it shows how left-liberals who clearly recognize the structural problems in other countries can nevertheless turn around and advocate the continuing construction of the same sort of problems in the United States:

Ever since the start of the Syrian uprising/civil war, I’ve cautioned
that while Libya, Egypt, Yemen, Bahrain and Tunisia implode, Syria would
explode if a political resolution was not found quickly. That is exactly what’s happening. The reason Syria explodes is because its borders are particularly
artificial, and all its communities — Sunnis, Shiites, Alawites, Kurds,
Druze and Christians — are linked to brethren in nearby countries and
are trying to draw them in for help.

That's an astute observation, Tom. Now, guess what's going to happen when the various communities inside the United States, the Mexicans, the Colombians, the Muslims, the Chinese, and the Jews, can't make any more headway in collecting resources from the central government and start battling it out amongst themselves as is already taking place in places like south central LA, which the Aztecs have 65 percent ethnically cleansed already.

My occupation requires a fair amount of intelligence, but I'm constantly surprised the way my coworkers only 1SD below me can't put two and two together and realize how truly screwed this nation is. We live in a mostly white area, with a fair amount of Asians/Indians due to the tech industry around here. But there's a crap ton of farmland right on our doorstep, and a huge Mexican population that comes with it. It should be obvious to anyone that's willing to open their eyes how drastic a difference between the cultures and how like oil and water they can never mix, but everyone just buries there head in teh sand. Nothing to see here.

Seems to me that this "melting pot" thing is/was nothing more than an idea that never worked.

Generally speaking, I see that:

The French ended up in Canada.The Irish ended up in the Appalachians.The Jews ended up in New York(retiring in Florida).The Mexicans ended up in the Southwest.The Norwegians, Swiss Etc., ended up in the North central.The Africans ended up in the southeast.The English pretty much scattered everywhere.And the fruits and nuts ended up in California.

Ya know, it is interesting, that in the series Jericho, Texas is a Republic. In the current series Revolution, Texas is a Republic.

Why you should come to Texas. [1] We have plenty of room. Midland-Odessa stands to become another Dallas-Fort Worth. The "gaps" between San Antonio and Austin are filling fast. San Marcos and Bastrop are practically part of the Austin metro. You go down to Pleasanton and Jourdanton, and one cannot tell where one begins and ends. Both now encompassed in the S.A. metro. Texas, with the right leadership, could make Mexico its closest ally, and best tourism partner bar none. Texas stands to become the envy of the world.

Funny, I notice that in international forums I am registered with, I list my nationality in my profile, as -- Texan. It was a mistake for Texans to allow annexation. In time, it will never make that mistake again...

----------[1] Idaho would make a really nice summer home, for those that incline.

@Vox Day Now, guess what's going to happen when the various communities inside the United States, the Mexicans, the Colombians, the Muslims, the Chinese, and the Jews, can't make any more headway in collecting resources from the central government...

You forgot to throw in the trashy, white protestants (primarily from the south, but in full force in Southern California too) into the mix. Why don't they get a place next to the Jews and Musllims?

So it would stand to reason that if one does not make the central gov't a big sow, then the piglets go out and do things together because they need each other instead of fighting for a teat.

The problem is not immigrants, it's that the piglets are allowed to make their own sow.

That's not to say that a country has to let in all the ***holes of the world. It isn't obligated to let anyone in at all. But a wise country will let in most people who want to work because there is more work to do than people to do it.

The people around Midland are great, and the economy's doing well, but it's far from pretty country, and more importantly, there's not enough water. That puts serious limits on future growth possibilities. Texas is going to have a hard time sustaining the population it's already got. In Dallas and Fort Worth, they're already building huge pipelines (something like 12' or 15' diameter) over a hundred miles long to bring in water from surrounding areas.

Frankly, Stilcho, I could live with the bovine flatulence. But it's the Texas Queers I couldn't put up with. These moralizing, bible thumping, big-haired, bigoted heteros just give me the heebee jeebees.

Well then............ I guess we wont have to worry about the likes of you coming down to contaminate our great land.[1] Per Adam's analysis, like the Chinks (the aggressive red ones), show your face across the Red River [2], and we'll just kick your whiny butt. (Some of us might even shoot you. That's right, before we ask ANY questions) ...

------------[1] By that, I mean fill our dwindling gay bars. I'm all for legal prostitution. One cannot successfully legislate morality. Bring back the time honored institution of the Chicken Ranch et al. I'm of German heritage. Call me a kraut if you like. Won't hurt my feelings. In fact, I just love bratwurst, kraut, and beer. Texas was largely settled by Germans. Why do you think, Texas has some of the finest brewed beer on the planet?

[2] No offense to the Okies. My understanding from most, is that yall would like to join us. We'll use ya as a "buffer state." Kinda a clearing house for all the yanks and other idiots thinking about venturing south............ for the winter.

Turns out I've spent and spend a good deal of time in Texas. There's a fairly large jewish population in the state. Many relatives there. That all makes it palatable. One thing you can count on when you have a good sized jewish community in an area is some degree of cultural openness, well established intellectual traditions and strong family values. For me, this has always been enough to allow me to make my trips down there despite the general culture wasteland that is Texas.

Oddly, I've only been threatened once by good old boys. Funny thing was, they backed down at the sight of my aunt. She's small. And ugly. But still, the bigots were outmatched.

Soon to be deleted said: yorzhik. unfortunately today in the u.s. there are far more people than there actually is work to do. third world immigrants add nothing to the country except more people at the government teat.True. So the solution to the problem is not stopping immigrants, but to let the country work again.

My grandfather on my Mother's side used the term Goyim in a derogatory fashion, as did many jews of that generation and by Jews who came to America during the '40s. But you don't here it used all that much any more as derogatory term for non-Jew. It's still used, but by Jews my age it tends to be used in conversation among other Jews, particularly when discussing politics. Interestingly, in Israel, I was more than once referred to as "goyim".

"But you don't hear it used all that much any more as derogatory term for non-Jew."

Ah, so now you're going to tell me what I do and do not hear?

Actually I'm just pokin' ya there, I know you meant "you" in a different sense. However, it is sadly the case that I've heard an awful lot of, er, interesting things come out of people's mouths over the years which you don't seem to think possible. Of the top twenty most ludicrously bigoted things I've ever heard people say in my short, simple-minded life, I'd say about 3/4s of them were spoken by Jews. Naturally, anecdotes != data and other groovy internet cliches.

Ah, the world! Of course, a sigh isn't a generalized theory of reality. Or of Jewish people. Or of anybody else for that matter.

We have plenty of room. Midland-Odessa stands to become another Dallas-Fort Worth.

The problem with that is you don't have enough water to support a DWF population.

despite the general culture wasteland that is Texas.

Tad, we have a lot of people like you moving to Texas looking for jobs, and most of them are arrogant and obnoxious like you. They are in hurry, a hurry to spit their words out or get to the next red light. Always rushing about in their meaningless lives, hurrying to their graves.

There is no dilemma. Everyone and their mother knows "diversity" is death to a nation. It's being pushed on you (Western European Christians) by God's "Chosen". Here is a Rabbi explaining why it's a good thing :http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4299673,00.html"'Islamization of Europe a good thing'

Rabbi Baruch Efrati believes Jews should 'rejoice at the fact that Europe is paying for what it did to us for hundreds of years by losing its identity.' He praises Islam for promoting modesty, respect for God"

I hope you Zionist Worshiping Evangelicals aka Noahides burn in hell for your support for these monsters.

I have a solution to that. In addition to oil and gas pipelines from Canada and Alaska, we could have pipelines of the freshest and clearest water on earth. Water straight from icebergs. A whole new industry could be born from that endeavor. In addition to that, more capital (R&D) into desalination plants along the gulf of mexico. Plenty of water for all...

Then let me explain it. The, um, "good" rabbi was positing that an entire people, or really collection of peoples, across nations, continents, and oceans of time, can be held collectively responsible, indefinitely and INTO THE FUTURE, for deeds from the past. And indeed, are deserving of annihilation for this.

If you think the premise is preposterous, as any sane person should, then you and the good rabbi should stop making such callow (on your part) and monstrously malicious (on his part) "arguments".

If you accept the premise, then you have no historical complaint about Christian maltreatment of Jews as being (absurdly) collectively responsible for all time, for all manner of misdeeds real and imaginary.

"I don't know the totality of the good Rabbi's point. But, the West was pretty comfortable for centuries with giving Jews the ultimate fucking."

Tired of whiny, narcissistic jews. If the Christian West had really been interested in giving the Jews the ultimate fucking, there wouldn't be any left. You tiresome, self-aggrandizing pest have done fairly well in the West. Don't think it would have gone quite as well for you in any other culture. Of course you'll soon find out the hard way.

Tad said: My grandfather on my Mother's side used the term Goyim in a derogatory fashion, as did many jews of that generation and by Jews who came to America during the '40s. But you don't here it used all that much any more as derogatory term for non-Jew. It's still used, but by Jews my age it tends to be used in conversation among other Jews, particularly when discussing politics. Interestingly, in Israel, I was more than once referred to as "goyim".

I call BS. Total BS. My wife is Jewish. We've been married thirty-seven years. In that time we've spent a lot of time with her relatives, and their friends, in many different social settings.

In "all-Jewish" settings, I've often been mistakenly been taken as one of the tribe, despite my having the physical appearance of the ideal SS recruit.

The freely-expressed opinions of those Jews, when they don't think there is someone else around to hear them, are among some of the most vile, bigoted, and disgusting that I have ever heard. It didn't magically stop with the old folks. I hear the same thing from every generation at every Yom Kippur family gathering, and at every Passover Seder.

I spent my teen years living in North East Alabama. My high school class was one of the last segregated ones.I personally knew Klansmen who were proud of their membership. Yet, even they, would not have dreamed of expressing the complete filth I've heard coming out of the mouths of supposed "tolerant",and "accepting" American Jews.

If Christians, Blacks, and Hipanics knew what you really think of them, you would be tarred, feathered, and run out of the country on a rail.

How bout we reverse? All the proper Americans come to California and we'll send to Texas all those who shouldn't be in America in the first place. That way you get WAY better looking land (plenty of room) and I don't have to lose the absolutely amazing coastline.

@Stats Tired of whiny, narcissistic jews. If the Christian West had really been interested in giving the Jews the ultimate fucking, there wouldn't be any left. You tiresome, self-aggrandizing pest have done fairly well in the West. Don't think it would have gone quite as well for you in any other culture. Of course you'll soon find out the hard way.

Stats, you'll get over this fatigue you possess. Don't worry. And it's not that the too many in the West were not interested in giving the Jews the ultimate fucking. It's that they luckily not quite as competent as they gave themselves credit for. As for soon "finding out" just how bad it can go for Jews, Stat, I'll refer you to the graduation rate for American Jews, the percent of Jewish High School Grads that go on to get college degrees, the average income of American Jews, their representation in government relative to their numbers.

The point being....The Tribe learns from experience, and we find ourselves quite prepared.

Well, a lot of the Jews, like my family, have been in this country for a number of generations, making them every bit as "American" as those trashy WASPS.

No, they're not. Jews may be U.S. citizens, but they're not Americans in the cultural, traditional, or revolutionary sense. They don't understand or respect the traditions derived from the rights of Englishmen. Which, of course, is why they oppose them so vehemently.

"And don't even try and sell me on the beauty of Texas. I was all over that state for military training and it didn't come CLOSE to the majestic beauty of California (most of it)"

I'm from Texas, lived there most of my life. Texas is mostly flat, barren and pretty damn ugly. (Huh, succinctly describes my old girlfriend). Yes, California can be breathtakingly beautiful, but is now mostly unlivable. Well, I was there 20-years ago and it was unlivable. Can't imagine what it is like now.

The point being....The Tribe learns from experience, and we find ourselves quite prepared.

No, it quite clearly doesn't. Haven't you ever read the Old Testament. The whole reason Israel exists is because a few of the smarter members realize that they're going to eventually get themselves kicked out of North America in the same way they were kicked out of countries in Europe over 100 times.

My money is on Canada first, by the way. The Muslims already outnumber the Jews there and the country is more left-wing. The problem is that by mindlessly attacking their only sympathizers, the Christian evangelicals, Jews have assured their eventual destruction once the minorities they've championed take power. They're immune to Holocaustalism and some of them openly hate Jews.

"The point being....The Tribe learns from experience, and we find ourselves quite prepared."

You and "the tribe" are coasting on the remnants of a Christian culture. Once that is gone, I suspect things will not go so well for the Jews.

Imagine Israel with out Christian Zionists covering their back all the time. Without 3 to 5 billion in aid every year, and technological transfer, (both legal and illegal) I suspect Israel would mostly be toast.

@VD No, they're not. Jews may be U.S. citizens, but they're not Americans in the cultural, traditional, or revolutionary sense. They don't understand or respect the traditions derived from the rights of Englishmen. Which, of course, is why they oppose them so vehemently.

Of course they are. Just ask a jew about the Rule of law and the word from on high (Blackstone). Ask them about the necessity of separation of powers...they have some experience when they are not separated. Plus, Jews were indeed a part of the American revolutionary experience.

They will however look at bigoted people like you, shake their head and acknowledge that some "Americans" do still have issues with liberty, freedom and manners. Two bit race hustlers don't get much credit from American Jews.

@VD a few of the smarter members realize that they're going to eventually get themselves kicked out of North America in the same way they were kicked out of countries in Europe over 100 times.

Oh what the hell...I'll bite. How exactly, oh SuperIntelligence, will my folks end up being "kicked out of North America". What circumstances will befall us here? Will the South Rise Again? Will Texas invade the Upper East Side? Please oh wonderful Intellect....explain the future. Maybe that explanation will go better than your recent election prediction?

Barky got 30.2 percent of eligible voters' possible votes. For you "math challenged," that is less than 1/3 of all possible eligible voters. ~40.4% voted AGAINST -- the system. For you same challenged, that means more American adults voted AGAINST the current govt. bureaucracy than those voting for Barky or Mittens. Put that in your pipe and smoke it!

They will however look at bigoted people like you, shake their head and acknowledge that some "Americans" do still have issues with liberty, freedom and manners.

This is amusing. Most Jews are tribal socialists with zero concept of liberty or freedom. And it's hilarious to hear someone who keeps talking about the superiority of his little tribe claiming that others are bigoted.

"Don't think it would have gone quite as well for you in any other culture. Of course you'll soon find out the hard way."

"As for soon "finding out" just how bad it can go for Jews, Stat, I'll refer you to the graduation rate for American Jews, the percent of Jewish High School Grads that go on to get college degrees, the average income of American Jews, their representation in government relative to their numbers."

For people who are "very well prepared," you're not exactly up on your reading comprehension. The "find out the hard way" remark was in reference to the hypothetical future extermination of white Europeans; what he meant was that once you get your dearest wish and they're finally gone, and Jews have only the Chinese and the Muslims to face, they're going to find it a mighty grim deal, and pine for the days of the sucker whites.

On that hilarious day, Jews will find that the surviving ethnes have zero Holocaust guilt, cannot be manipulated, have no need for Jewish intellectual prowess as they've got plenty of their own, and in fact have been studying Jewish behavior very carefully, and rather critically. Your American degrees and your overrepresentation in American government will avail you naught then, because there will no longer be any America. It got destroyed by the machinations of... gee, I can't put my finger on who.

@VD Most Jews are tribal socialists with zero concept of liberty or freedom. And it's hilarious to hear someone who keeps talking about the superiority of his little tribe claiming that others are bigoted.

I wouldn't say we are superior....just better prepared today for people like you, who in the end are the one's that have been run out of the country. But your banishment has nothing to do with race or country of origin. Just your ignorance.

"I wouldn't say we are superior....just better prepared today for people like you, who in the end are the one's that have been run out of the country. But your banishment has nothing to do with race or country of origin. Just your ignorance."

Do you really not see that you justified every negative thing Stormfront ever said about Jews?

Vox, sometimes I read what you write and I wonder if you've ever read Revelations. It's pretty clear to me (though I'm always willing to see otherwise) that God still sees Israel as His people. Does that mean we blindly "support" them whenever? No, but it's hard to get around Zech. 12-14 which certainly says Israel will face near extinction but there's no doubt God's behind them still.

I'm just trying to equal out everything here since we don't throw out what the OT says despite not being under the Law anymore. And the OT, despite the prose, talks about a time we've yet to come across.

> This is amusing. Most Jews are tribal socialists with zero concept of liberty or freedom. And it's > hilarious to hear someone who keeps talking about the superiority of his little tribe claiming that > others are bigoted.

Ahh, yes, the fun of explaining to American know-nothings that about 1/3 of Israels agricultural productions literally comes from communist societies. It's really, really fun to watch them go through the stages of denial.

"I'm just trying to equal out everything here since we don't throw out what the OT says despite not being under the Law anymore."

Let me clear this up...

there are 2 kinds of law. Ritual Law... and Moral Law. Moral law.. don't murder... for example... predates Moses' deal with God. Cain and all that. Right? It existed before... it exists after. Moral law remains the same in the New Testament.

Ritual Law refers to specific rules given only to Moses' people. It was a system designed to remind them continually that they were different... and had to live differently.

The coming of Jesus fullfilled the requirements of both... and rendered all of the ritual aspects of Moses' deal void. God's People were not separated from each other anymore. Everyone was to be saved.

The former followers of Moses who explicitly reject this fullfillment, by definition, reject God. Thus.. they are no longer God's People.

The problem you have is that the language of the Old Testament doesn't suffice to explain a group of followers of God who are not jewish.

Sultan Knish has an interesting article on differing traits of the various waves of Jewish immigrants to America.

Tad seems to resemble the following:

The Liberal Jew was a product of that melting pot which stripped him of his cultural identity and his religion, leaving behind a hole that he filled with the messianism of liberal politics. The graduates of the melting pot were economically successful and well educated, but they had lost their sense of self. Looking for that sense of self, they became devout attendees of progressive politics, filling the hole with bitter greenie humor that poked fun at everything, especially themselves.

American Jewish identity became liberal identity, and the massive cultural hole was filled with humor which has found its natural end in the degraded vaudeville of Woody Allen and Larry David or the bitter frustrations of a Philip Roth. The trinity of FDR, JFK and Obama became their faith and their identity became a series of in-jokes about eating Chinese food on Christmas. Like the Spanish Jewish Conversos, they had a secret identity but they no longer knew what the secret was.

And yet Zech. is a pretty straight forward prophetic word speaking about a time yet to happen (several OT prophets speak of such things). Jesus came and fulfilled the words of many of the prophets so that would say that their words cannot be thrown out. So if they speak of times yet to come, doesn't that entitle those who truly follow God's word today to heed them? And it seems that the prophets were indeed referencing the Israelites.

Let it be clear, though a Pentecostal Christian, I'm not married to the idea that we do whatever needs to be done for Israel. But I can see WHY the call to stand with Israel is there despite how the people of that nation may act today.

Bob, that's the one thing you WON'T get me on board with. Jesus himself declared he came to fulfill the words of the prophets and threads of prophecy in the OT are tied to prophecy in the NT. I'm not taking OT or NT with a grain of salt.

And my apologies I realize I've gone full blown off topic here. It's just something that's been nagging at me the entire time I've read Vox (not even sure how many years that's been) that I would like a clearer explanation of.

So while you're defending Jews in some of your posts, you are denigrating them in others. I have to admit, it's an interesting approach. Far from coherent, but interesting.

Mommy didn't hug him, but the state will? I find the purported faith of his tribe in the "separation of powers" amusing in light their historic appetite for relying upon the protection of Kings and/or strong central governments. Not that the separation of powers under the U.S. Constitution did not provide them a more direct means to power and influence in the U.S., it did. However, that power and influence is almost invariably used to centralize, strengthen and perpetuate the state uber alles.

Well, I wouldn't list the Jews as collecting resources from the central government. If you're going to list them then you might as well list all of us. But your point is well-taken - Friedman can see clearly when talking about places that are far-distant, but his head is up his butt when looking more closely to home. Perhaps he's far-sighted? :-)

SexualChocolate: "[1] By that, I mean fill our dwindling gay bars. I'm all for legal prostitution. One cannot successfully legislate morality. Bring back the time honored institution of the Chicken Ranch et al. I'm of German heritage. Call me a kraut if you like. Won't hurt my feelings. In fact, I just love bratwurst, kraut, and beer. Texas was largely settled by Germans. Why do you think, Texas has some of the finest brewed beer on the planet"

I just spent two years in Texas. I loved Shiner and Zeigen! Furthermore, had a bunch of friends that were Czech from eastern Texas and German from the western part. I doubt most people realize that even San Antonio used to be predominantly German till the mid-'60s and that there are still some towns that speak Texas German (http://www.tgdp.org/).

We used to have great diversity in this country: Swedes, Finns, Swiss, Germans, French, English, Scots, etc.

Then the Hart-Cellar Immigration Act came along and it suddenly became "racist" to challenge the notion that we need restrictions immigration.

We humans love to play with vocabulary, to the detriment of total societal collapse. As much as Josephus confirmed in his Antiquities that giants (titans) roamed the earth, the actual Jew were Canaanite-Edomite-Hittite variants. Including the monstrous (tall as a Lebanon cedar) -- Amorite. So, who does one fear (or be wary) in the second coming of "the days of Noah?"

Ah, the laughs are coming thickly today. An Anonymous poster who thinks threads with insults should be shut to further comments. A self-proclaimed jew who proceeds to display almost every stereotype in a few short hours.The Texan vs everyone cognitive dissonance.

By the way, I wouldn't mind at all turning the entire southern California completely over to Israel. Not Jews, but only people from Israel. All the current inhabitants could get a free ship ride to the land of Israel to take their place, and make their peace with the palestinians. Because Southern California loves them some palestinians.

The problem is that Northern California (like the Bay Area) is also full of reality-free zones. How about swapping them for some Southerner's? Ah well, it isn't going to happen anyway. We've moved our timetable to exit Kalifornia up by a couple years, now that we have a Democrat supermajority it is going to become like living in 1970's Moscow pretty soon.

The problem I have is that 'Israel' is clearly composed of Jews and Gentiles who believe in Christ, according to Romans 11. The nation state of Israel rejects its Messiah, so why do Christians blindly support it? What the country of Israel really needs is our prayer, fasting, and evangelism; not guns, bombs, and political machinations.

The chief battle is not Jew vs gentile, rather believing Jew and believing gentile vs everybody else. The Kingdom of Heaven does not have second-class citizens (or separate water fountains for that matter).

Will there be a future wholesale conversion of Jews to Christianity? Probably. But Christians should not assume that Jews who currently reject Jesus will accept them.

Sorry to also be off-topic, but I felt compelled to post since I've wondered about the same questions as Sojourner. I recently came across this, which I think helped me come to a better understanding of what the Scripture teaches about the topic: http://www.preteristarchive.com/Books/pdf/1922_mauro_hope-of-israel.pdf

(By the way, if it matters to you, the author is not a preterist, although it is available at a preterist website).

"No you blithering idiot. Because you can't call one group crazy for saying X... and then turn around scream X at the top of your lungs."

A Jewish liberal New Yorker can... There is a bill proposed in the Texas legislature for 2013 that makes it illegal for A liberal Jewish New Yorker to have a car with a horn in Texas. I suspect it will pass unanimously.

As a young man five decades ago, having been raised on the whole WWII–"Holohoax" mythology—and growing up in Academia with numerous Jewish friends—I was very sympathetic to "the Jews". I had a close Orthodox Jewish friend (a prominent SF writer) of my parents' generation with whom I shared a home for a while, learning a lot about Jewish observance (he later converted to an obscure Japanese religion). I read The Last of the Just and cried, and was taken in by the emotional appeal of Exodus (which as I recall did not mention the genocidal campaign waged by those Jewish heroes at Deir Yassin et al.). As a person of spiritual interest, I studied Judaism a little, and found somewhat of value, along with a lot of atavistic bronze-age tribalism.

I married a Jewish girl (yes, I was definitely beta); didn't realize till years later that she'd married me to get away from her oppressive family (47 years after we separated she still uses my surname along with her Jewish first name). I once went with my wife to visit a rabbi to discuss possible conversion (well, I was already circumcised after all—tell me the Jews haven't had a decisive, if subtle, influence on American culture)—seeking a spiritual home I eventually found further to the East.

Over the course of five decades, as with women it has been the observed behavior of the Jews which has slowly changed my initial sympathy to the point where I'm now often surprised to find my own thoughts trending toward what's commonly called "anti-semitism". They do get in everywhere, and naturally enough when they do they then act in their own interest—which is often enough not the interest of their host, i.e. this nation my ancestors founded with certain important ideas in mind. Sound like a definition of something? Someone remarked, "Anti-semitism is a disease; you catch it from Jews."

I've also found that Otto Weininger had a point, regarding the similarity of the Jewish psychology to the female. Especially as regards the lack of accountability that naturally follows from perpetual victimhood.

The real tragedy of the Jews, as I see it (and David Icke has discussed), is that most of them are pretty much regular people, who have unfortunately been intensely programmed from birth to regard themselves as different from those around them, which, though it's seldom stated plainly, really means superior. Which includes not being bound to the same ethical principles that the "goyim" at least pay lip-service to. The Jews generally practice what I call "tribal" morality: one set of rules within the tribe, another for outside the tribe. They're hardly unique in this, but they've made themselves perhaps the prime example, given that almost everywhere they live among the very people they regard as less than themselves, and thus undeserving of the same consideration they give to others in the tribe. No wonder they have indeed evolved to a greater average intelligence; you gotta be pretty smart to survive in such circumstances, while continually making enemies right next door.

The result of all this is that while it is only a small subset of Jewry who are the neocons and reptilian masters of the Machine that rules most of the world, they've managed to recruit the vast majority of ordinary Jews as cover for their nefarious activities. Point out some evil done by a Jew in a position of power and you're branded as an Anti-Semite! and the entire Jewish community (e.g. the SPLC, joined at the hip with the ADL) shouts you down (or worse). Presume to question in the slightest the tail-wags-the-dog situation where what was once the strongest, richest nation in history is beggaring itself to advance the mad dreams of the most rabid Zionists, and your career in "public service" is through—or worse.

I don't believe the Illuminati or whatever you call them care a fig for the fate of the vast majority of Jews, who are to them mere pawns in their Great Game, as are White Anglo Americans, the various historical Europeans nations now being destroyed, et al. The whole Zionism/Israel event seems destined to end as a nuclear wasteland as part of the Masters' plans. Then where will the Jews go when the peoples of the Western world realize what they've been doing in the countries like the USA where they were made welcome?

Would only that the Jews, of all people, would wake up to What's Really Happening.

Go back and read the comments concerning the term "goyim" and its evolution. It will be more understandable to you...or not. I don't know.

The term can sometimes be derogatory or not derogatory towards non-jews. It has not "evolved" to mean "non-religious jew". I also notice that you avoided answering the question about your gentile lineage.

I join the others in calling bs. You are most likely a non-jew who is simply trolling while pretending to be jewish.

In the past the term was almost ALWAYS derogatory toward non-jews. That's change a lot, just as the American jewery has changed considerably. The use of the word, while sometimes used among older jews in the traditional ways, has migrated into something else, particularly among younger jews.

As for me, Porky, you view of my heritage is noted. Though I have no idea why I've committed it to memory.

While it is clear that diversity is not the foundation of strength, it is also clear that freedom is. But freedom brings with it diversity by necessity. The problem is the voting public can't tell which leads the other.

"Nate November 14, 2012 12:19 PM... The problem you have is that the language of the Old Testament doesn't suffice to explain a group of followers of God who are not jewish."

And the New Testament went far in explaining things. It's all in Romans 11.

And here's the kicker, if gentile Christians are grafted into spiritual Israel then all those Old Testament prophecies concerning Israel start to make a different kind of sense. Everything changes, namely the modern nation of Israel stops having any kind of moral or historical leverage with western Christians. It's a enough to make a zionist get really nervous.

25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26 and in this way[e] all Israel will be saved. As it is written:

“The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.27 And this is[f] my covenant with them when I take away their sins.”[g]28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29 for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable. 30 Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31 so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now[h] receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you. 32 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

You can see why I don't perceive this to be nearly as clear cut as some here make it out to be.

Israel is more than one tribe. The Jews are currently the only identified tribe. Lurking somewhere are the other 11. Prophecy says the other tribes will return. Then there is the grafting in of the gentile Christians. The house of Israel is not as exclusive as some members of the tribe of Judah seem to think.

So was all this "intelectual prophecy" by Middle- East "expert" Thomas Friedman just as brilliant way back when it was specifically outlined, on chalk boards, with maps, naming names of specific individuals and "groups", forecasting a step-by-step outcome that has/continues to come to fruition, by Glen Beck during HIS highly rated show on Fox?

Tad said: "One thing you can count on when you have a good sized jewish community in an area is some degree of cultural openness, well established intellectual traditions and strong family values"

Easily 40% of U.S. Jews marry outside their religion. Excepting the small fraction (<10%?) that are Orthodox Jews, they don't reproduce anywhere near replacement rate. Their premarital sex, abortion, and divorce rates are nothing to be proud of. "Strong family values"?!? You forgot the /sarc tag.

VD: My money is on Canada first, by the way. The Muslims already outnumber the Jews there and the country is more left-wing. The problem is that by mindlessly attacking their only sympathizers, the Christian evangelicals, Jews have assured their eventual destruction once the minorities they've championed take power.

And if you've followed the nefarious doings of our so-called "Human Rights Commissions" and how they received the blessing of the Canadian Jewish Congress, you would agree that their disdain of anglo freedom of speech overrides their history of Jewish-Muslim hostility.

The explanation I've heard is that they were responsible in the same way a crime victim is responsible if say, they leave their house unlocked. Jews maintained a separate identity and throughout history until this day, minorities are often targeted during periods of negative social mood, especially if they are a wealthy minority. (See Chinese in Indonesia, Malaysia and other SE Asian nations during the Asian Crisis for just one recent example)

Jews maintained a separate identity and throughout history until this day, minorities are often targeted during periods of negative social mood, especially if they are a wealthy minority.

That's it? Maintaining their own identity? They have the right; and if they don't, then neither do whites.

I mean the vague charges thrown around - Jews were accused of being "meddlesome" and promulgating "lies" and "attacks" and taking "a stranglehold on the money supply". Are these accusations only levelled at a modern subset of Jews, or are they levelled at all Jews throughout European history?

If you aren't assimilated and you are in power and you exercise your separate identity through outlets of power, you will invite conflict. Those charges have been leveled against powerful minorities in all societies.

I'm not an expert on Jewish history in the Middle Ages, but they were in finance and are now in media and government. People hate bankers, politicians and media during periods of negative mood because they turn their anger on visible targets. If the Mormons dominated these three areas, they'd receive as much criticism. And if the Jews were mainly in farming and manufacturing, they'd be largely ignored.

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