If this is your first visit, be sure to
check out the FAQ by clicking the
link above. You may have to register
before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages,
select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

Re: Granger To Resume Practice

When I was a kid and my dad was making dinner I would always ask "When's dinner gonna be finished cooking?" and he would always reply the same way: "When it's ready." I feel the same way about Granger. He'll be ready when he's ready. There's no rush and it's a long season.

When he does come back, as long as he can stand in the corner and make open jumpers and not dribble the ball off his foot then I'll e overjoyed.

Re: Granger To Resume Practice

According to George Hill in the Star article this morning Danny whipped everybody in the morning shootaround shooting contests....

If only the NBA was a game of H-O-R-S-E. Larry would be starting again.

These delays make me doubt that Danny will return in 2013. It takes a month to get in game condition from my own personal experience. If he's only shooting around, he has a ways to go. I assume he will need to practice for at least a couple weeks before entering a game. I do hope we see him come back in January.

Re: Granger To Resume Practice

If only the NBA was a game of H-O-R-S-E. Larry would be starting again.

These delays make me doubt that Danny will return in 2013. It takes a month to get in game condition from my own personal experience. If he's only shooting around, he has a ways to go. I assume he will need to practice for at least a couple weeks before entering a game. I do hope we see him come back in January.

From what I have heard he is still doing individual workouts just not practicing with the team

The Following User Says Thank You to Mad-Mad-Mario For This Useful Post:

Re: Granger To Resume Practice

I know nobody wanted to believe it, but there was that report out of New York that said he was still experiencing knee pain. I still don't wholly discount that all things considered. Do we have a source that said this was a grade II calf sprain or did that just spring from putting two and two together on potential recovery time?

Nuntius was right. I was wrong. Frank Vogel has retained his job.

------

"A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, thatís teamwork."

The Following User Says Thank You to Bball For This Useful Post:

Re: Granger To Resume Practice

What are the chances that the Pacer's reluctance to start playing Danny is insurance/salary cap related. It seems like the Pacers want Danny to be 100% ready to go before playing at all. Could they be worried that Danny will play a few games this year with a bad calf and find out that he is unable to play at all. Wouldn't that put the Pacers on the hook for all his salary this year. If he can't play, then the Pacers could get cap relief, insurance covering this year's salary and an injury exception of $7M or so.

Since last year was only 5 games, it starts the clock on medical retirement that playing this year would only restart. If that is so, the Pacers are just making sure he will be able to play if he starts to play and don't want him on the court unless he is 100% ready to play.

Re: Granger To Resume Practice

When I was a kid and my dad was making dinner I would always ask "When's dinner gonna be finished cooking?" and he would always reply the same way: "When it's ready." I feel the same way about Granger. He'll be ready when he's ready. There's no rush and it's a long season.

When he does come back, as long as he can stand in the corner and make open jumpers and not dribble the ball off his foot then I'll e overjoyed.

You would have gone to bed on an empty stomach every night and eventually died of starvation if your dad followed the Granger timetable.

Re: Granger To Resume Practice

Leaving Granger as an unknown while having him show off his shooting during pregames might be the low risk way to maximize the value of his expiring contract for a couple of young players or another expiring plus a young player that would free up space to keep Lance.

Please refer to the Pacers 2014-2015 Salary Cap situation.

The Pacers are at the point where they do not want to really add any more Salary, they will want to use him to help clear 2014-2015 Salary. If Granger is traded...even with the recent revelation that PG24 isn't going to get the MAX offer...they will likely want to package Granger with Copeland to have enough Capspace to re-sign Lance at $8+ mil a year. The Pacers would have to get at least $14 mil back in Expiring Contracts to meet those Salary requirements, while NOT getting back any 2014-2015 Salary....which is a very hard order to fill.

Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

This is David West, he is the Honey Badger, West just doesn't give a *****....he's pretty bad *ss cuz he has no regard for any other Player or Team whatsoever.

Re: Granger To Resume Practice

What are the chances that the Pacer's reluctance to start playing Danny is insurance/salary cap related. It seems like the Pacers want Danny to be 100% ready to go before playing at all. Could they be worried that Danny will play a few games this year with a bad calf and find out that he is unable to play at all. Wouldn't that put the Pacers on the hook for all his salary this year. If he can't play, then the Pacers could get cap relief, insurance covering this year's salary and an injury exception of $7M or so.

Since last year was only 5 games, it starts the clock on medical retirement that playing this year would only restart. If that is so, the Pacers are just making sure he will be able to play if he starts to play and don't want him on the court unless he is 100% ready to play.

They would also be doing him a favor if this is knee related to call it a calf injury.... allowing him more time to heal so that if it can get better it won't impact as much his ability to negotiate with another team this coming summer. Plus it helps the Pacers if they would entertain a trade scenario for teams to think this is a separate issue and not an ongoing knee issue. But both of those scenarios need him healing sufficiently to practice and play when called upon or it's not going to matter why he's out... only that he's out.

EDIT: I'm not saying it's definitely his knee and not the calf... I'm just saying I don't discount the possibility that is what it is. The longer this drags on the more skeptical I become. At least to the point that I begin to believe even if it is two issues, they are connected.

Nuntius was right. I was wrong. Frank Vogel has retained his job.

------

"A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, thatís teamwork."

Re: Granger To Resume Practice

They would also be doing him a favor if this is knee related to call it a calf injury.... allowing him more time to heal so that if it can get better it won't impact as much his ability to negotiate with another team this coming summer. Plus it helps the Pacers if they would entertain a trade scenario for teams to think this is a separate issue and not an ongoing knee issue. But both of those scenarios need him healing sufficiently to practice and play when called upon or it's not going to matter why he's out... only that he's out.

Re: Granger To Resume Practice

I'm starting to get the feeling we won't see him for a long time, if this season at all. This is just like last year, starts out as a few weeks, nothing to worry about, next thing you know, months have passed.

Re: Granger To Resume Practice

They would also be doing him a favor if this is knee related to call it a calf injury.... allowing him more time to heal so that if it can get better it won't impact as much his ability to negotiate with another team this coming summer. Plus it helps the Pacers if they would entertain a trade scenario for teams to think this is a separate issue and not an ongoing knee issue. But both of those scenarios need him healing sufficiently to practice and play when called upon or it's not going to matter why he's out... only that he's out.

EDIT: I'm not saying it's definitely his knee and not the calf... I'm just saying I don't discount the possibility that is what it is. The longer this drags on the more skeptical I become. At least to the point that I begin to believe even if it is two issues, they are connected.

NBA teams are not in the habit of initially providing accurate information and can fall back that they did not have early sufficient information. Then they cover themselves by having an ultraspecialist from another state provide the accurate diagnosis that requires surgery.

As far as Danny is concerned he could be back at any time or require a calf transplant.

Re: Granger To Resume Practice

It looks like CP3 sprained his hamstring and isn't expected to miss any time. Since we all know how bad a calf sprain can really be I would imagine a hamstring sprain could be an issue that could cost a player several weeks more. We may be getting a break when we play the Clippers Sunday.

Re: Granger To Resume Practice

I'm starting to get the feeling we won't see him for a long time, if this season at all. This is just like last year, starts out as a few weeks, nothing to worry about, next thing you know, months have passed.

As much as I understand the concern, aren't we still in the time frame for how long this time of sprain usually takes to heal. (4 to 6 weeks). It seemed like the Pacers were undershooting it a bit.

Plus, Danny has other conditioning aspects to work through. I agree with someone below, I think we'll see him in January.

Re: Granger To Resume Practice

is it his previous 7 years in the league with hardly any down time whilst carrying a team and paying heavy minutes? or is it more a what have you done for me lately opinion that has forgotten the season prior to the last?

I am seriously curious

He has a recent history of setbacks. And if you're expecting someone to just spring to life after basically not playing a year-plus of basketball, you're going to be sorely disappointed. It's a process. And it's not coincidental that he hasn't been able to play consistent minutes for a year-plus, even though he's had two serious shots at it (last season before being shut down, and this preseason)

The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Dr. Hibbert For This Useful Post:

Re: Granger To Resume Practice

The Pacers are 14-1 without Danny so far, why does he need to hurry back at all? Let the man heal, rest, rejuvenate, restore, retire, whatever. If he comes back too soon he will leave sooner. If he come back next spring and the Pacers have lost 4 games all season, he can sit on the bench and watch in a uniform.

If he returns and puts up 25 pts in 10 minutes of play, great for the team. The playoffs await.

I am of the opinion if Danny Granger would return right now, it would upset the chemistry of the team and cause some unnecessary losses. If the Pacers start to struggle at some point, bringing Danny back would be a positive moral booster. Right now it makes little sense to upset the applecart.

Re: Granger To Resume Practice

As much as I understand the concern, aren't we still in the time frame for how long this time of sprain usually takes to heal. (4 to 6 weeks). It seemed like the Pacers were undershooting it a bit.

Plus, Danny has other conditioning aspects to work through. I agree with someone below, I think we'll see him in January.

Where did this whole 6 week Grade II thing come from? Is that just from people here guessing about which sort of strain they think he has? Do we have a source saying it is a Grade II strain? I thought all the Pacers ever said was that he was supposed to be out 3 weeks with a calf injury.

Maybe I missed something. I admittedly grew bored with this story a long time ago and haven't paid much attention to it.

The Following User Says Thank You to Sollozzo For This Useful Post:

Re: Granger To Resume Practice

If any of you have listened to his interviews, you get the feeling that he's ready to play. It's the pacers, That are keeping him at bay. Which would make sense, have him at 100% and start your best lineup right now and get as much separation as you can from the second seed, once we're closed to locking it up, You play him to shake off the rust, and have him at 100% to start the playoffs.. If he's anything close to the old Granger, we could seriously be hoisting that trophy. But shoot, How many games will it take for him to shake off the rust? 20-30?

The good thing about Danny! Is that he's a shooter and shooters never lose there touch. But as we saw from last year and this pre-season, 10 games just won't cut it for him. It's a tricky situation to be in. But we have the coaching staff to handle this situation.

Re: Granger To Resume Practice

is it his previous 7 years in the league with hardly any down time whilst carrying a team and paying heavy minutes? or is it more a what have you done for me lately opinion that has forgotten the season prior to the last?

I am seriously curious

No one has ever disputed that he was pretty healthy throughout his 20's. But he's not 26 anymore. He'll be 31 by the time this season is over and still hasn't played consistent basketball since May 2012. He has had two attempts at returning over the last year (5 games last year and pre-season this year), but both comeback attempts led to setbacks. How could anyone be surprised that some people are concerned about his ability to play heavy consistent minutes?

Are you trying to say that what happened 5 years ago is more relevant than what's happening right now? When JO was shipped off in 2008, the fact that he was just one year removed from six straight all-star appearances didn't carry much weight anymore.

Re: Granger To Resume Practice

But he's not 26 anymore. He'll be 31 by the time this season is over and still hasn't played consistent basketball since May 2012.

His age and time off are huge factors why he will never return to the same level. Let's just hope he gets back to practicing in December and gets on the floor at around 80% for the remainder of this year.

Re: Granger To Resume Practice

At what point does the insurance take over his salary? Could he come back at the tail end of the season and the playoffs without the Pacers losing the insurance money? If he hangs on until the trade deadline then retires, would he still be considered a member of the team and get a ring if we win the Championship? These are questions for the team accountant to worry about. Personally, I would really like to see 33 back on the floor, soon.

Re: Granger To Resume Practice

I am of the opinion if Danny Granger would return right now, it would upset the chemistry of the team and cause some unnecessary losses.

I don't understand that at all. He's going to take up the minutes that either Solomon Hill or Chris Copeland is getting at backup SF when he first comes back. How on earth is that going to make things worse?

Re: Granger To Resume Practice

I don't understand that at all. He's going to take up the minutes that either Solomon Hill or Chris Copeland is getting at backup SF when he first comes back. How on earth is that going to make things worse?

As long as he's 100% fine and content with that role, and physically recovered enough to be as good or better than those players in that role, then I don't see how his return would make things worse necessarily. OTOH, I'm not exactly sure Granger would be fine with that role for any length... or considering the rust and slowness of the return, whether he'd actually be better than those guys at this point. Of course as long as it's just rust then that should work itself out just leaving the question of whether Danny will remain fine that with that type of role. And whether any existing players take sides. Let's remember, it's not just Granger that would be affected by his return. You could always have a situation where a hobbled Granger taking minutes away from a player or two might cause issues with those players that causes issues to grow from that with the lockerroom taking sides. He wouldn't necessarily even have to be hobbled for that to occur...

Nuntius was right. I was wrong. Frank Vogel has retained his job.

------

"A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, thatís teamwork."

Re: Granger To Resume Practice

I guess, I can sort of see how Danny could cause "chemistry issues," but it'd be more figuring out how to work him in, not some personality clash or anything. But really, other than Roy and PG because they were rookies when Danny was the man, no one else on the roster has ever really deferred to him. Yeah, they played against Danny in his prime, but they never played with him as option 1A, West somewhat I suppose.'
'
Anyway, my only worry, and it's really not one, but the only problem I could foresee is a few of the guys wanting to get Danny shots because they like him and remember what he was (and obviously hopefully will be again). If his ceiling the rest of the way is a 15-20 mpg spot shooter I'm fine with that, but it'll take some time for all the guys to realize that, Danny included. But I don't really see why that's a "problem," it's not like Danny's going to start a fist fight with PG over touches or something. It's not about chemistry, it's about finding out what Danny is now.