Post by Djinnobi ☽✮☾ on Jun 30, 2017 4:54:54 GMT

We're still on the topic about a tactical sword for bears or superhuman serial killers right?

I would take something like the Albion Dane but maybe even a bit longer for that. The thrust would always be the safest route to take. Now if you wanted a different take on it, A&A had that custom Zweihander that was quite amazing to behold. Cheaper version would be the Del Tin Venetian.

Post by ramses1079 on Jun 30, 2017 4:56:05 GMT

I see where your going with this wise guy 😉 But if the sword without a fuller can decapitate due to the weight of the blade x's the force of the swing; would a fullered blade used by the same person have the mass necessary to decapitate?? Hence, IS the fullered blade REALLY "optimal?" This question is for you too Lukas 😁

That would depend. Does the fullered blade have the mass to decapitate? A quick (albeit gruesome) test would show that. There is no reason it wouldn't be possible. Plenty of fullered swords are capable of decapitation If it can't do it: is the trade of (you might gain speed, for example) worth it? The answer to that depends on the sword's purpose. For a executioner's sword, it wouldn't be but for a blade intended for fighting it might very well be (if you can't get the hit in because your sword is so slow to accelerate, it doesn't help you in the least if a potential hit would be devastating).

But this really goes in the wrong direction. A fullered blade does by no means have to be incapable of dealing heavy blows, nor does an unfullered blade have to be unwieldy and heavy. What I'm saying is this: I believe there is an optimal balance between all the various aspects for a sword. Too much in one direction throws the whole thing off. A delicate balance is needed and that takes a keen eye and good understanding of what a sword should and should not be able to do. Giving too much priority to one aspect will very often ruin the whole piece. Or, at the least, make it very specialised. Like an executioner's sword. Extremely limited in its applications. This must be kept in mind and one must ask oneself if that is what's desired.

You nailed it in just two words: OPTIMAL BALANCE! From a physics standpoint an algorithm could be drawn up, but is it REALLY necessary? Again, those two words you used were exactly what I was looking for. Fullered or UN-fullered.....the skill of the warrior OR the physical strength of the warrior. Physical strength, or how proficient the smith is at honing & sharpening. Proficiency of the smith or edge retention the sword is capable of holding. *phew* that was a log of theorizing.....I need a good strong drink. You're quite the philosopher Lukas.......you too Andi! Well met 😎

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Two roads diverged in a wood, and I—I took the one less traveled by,And that has made all the difference.

Post by ramses1079 on Jun 30, 2017 5:41:32 GMT

Mwuahahahaha no, this is just me.....extremely odd at age 37! 😜 Can't blame it on anything but all the lead paint chip sandwiches I used to eat as a kid, and maybe living under power lines, or near the nuclear reactor in Seabrook, NH! LOL j/p

"Never be bullied into silence. Never allow yourself to be made a victim. Accept no one's definition of your life; define yourself."

Robert Frost

Two roads diverged in a wood, and I—I took the one less traveled by,And that has made all the difference.

Post by ramses1079 on Jun 30, 2017 6:05:39 GMT

Ya know how rude have I been.....I ain't even asked your name yet! Well you can pm me your name if you wish.....but while we discuss things here on the open forum I dub thee Sir Logan of a Wolverines! You mentioned regeneration.....you're Canadian......Logan just fits 😈 Well Logan, you're ALREADY mature than most people twice your age, so planning ahead (especially when it's about booze) is just good common sense lol

"Never be bullied into silence. Never allow yourself to be made a victim. Accept no one's definition of your life; define yourself."

Robert Frost

Two roads diverged in a wood, and I—I took the one less traveled by,And that has made all the difference.

Post by Djinnobi ☽✮☾ on Jun 30, 2017 6:48:08 GMT

Ya know how rude have I been.....I ain't even asked your name yet! Well you can pm me your name if you wish.....but while we discuss things here on the open forum I dub thee Sir Logan of a Wolverines! You mentioned regeneration.....you're Canadian......Logan just fits 😈 Well Logan, you're ALREADY mature than most people twice your age, so planning ahead (especially when it's about booze) is just good common sense lol

Post by bluetrain on Jun 30, 2017 11:57:57 GMT

Whatever sort of sword you are considering, first it must be sharp, even if intended primarily for thrusting. A thrusting weapon should retain some ability to cut but primarily the reason for it is to make thrusting easier.

Secondly, the sword should be of good quality. It should not bend or break easily. I don't know how they ever expected to break a sword over a knee like you sometimes saw in the movies. Curiously, both of these qualities were lacking in some 19th century issue swords, perhaps because there didn't actually expect to use them anytime soon or perhaps because they were mass produced by the lowest bidder. I don't know when they began "proofing" swords but supposedly even Samurai swords were proofed. As far as sharpness goes, though, a Revolutionary period saber that I examined many years ago was sharp and would have been an excellent cutter and slasher.

Post by Blade Runner on Jun 30, 2017 14:20:04 GMT

Whatever sort of sword you are considering, first it must be sharp, even if intended primarily for thrusting. A thrusting weapon should retain some ability to cut but primarily the reason for it is to make thrusting easier.

Secondly, the sword should be of good quality. It should not bend or break easily. I don't know how they ever expected to break a sword over a knee like you sometimes saw in the movies. Curiously, both of these qualities were lacking in some 19th century issue swords, perhaps because there didn't actually expect to use them anytime soon or perhaps because they were mass produced by the lowest bidder. I don't know when they began "proofing" swords but supposedly even Samurai swords were proofed. As far as sharpness goes, though, a Revolutionary period saber that I examined many years ago was sharp and would have been an excellent cutter and slasher.

After those two qualities are satisfied, you're on your own.

You bring up a concern of mine. Sharpness. If I had to defend myself with a sword, I want the blade razor sharp. If it chips, so be it. I would want the blade to cut, not bruise. But, in sword to sword combat, the blade should not be razor sharp? It seems that blade sharpness is compromised to cause less damage to the blade?

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