It still sounds like the 550 and 590 don't differ that much, and the moses Onde 633 or 683 surf/sup might be better step from the 550.

Will the Onde wings work with Fluente and Vorace masts and fuselage?

I'm new to Moses foils but so far I actually like the HP560 better than the 550 it seems more stable and less affected by white water carries more lift in the turns.

My understanding is the Onda fuselage will fit kite masts.
But the surf wings will need a different fuselage and won’t fit 680/647
590 has larger area than 550 (which is larger than 560) with all it entails.
I'm debating myself whether to get Onda wing/fuselage/stabilizer for ultra-low wind. I think I would.

It still sounds like the 550 and 590 don't differ that much, and the moses Onde 633 or 683 surf/sup might be better step from the 550.

Really?
I feel like my experience with it and what I wrote about it and also what Wielandt reports does actually say that it is quite different.
Well, it is.
I think you would have no doubts after seeing both next to each other in real life.

The SUP wings will be another level again I am quite sure and will test and report as soon as I receive the, together with the SUP fuselage (749) which is needed for these wings but fits the kite masts.

At the moment waiting on a big shipment of 590s which will also include the SUP foils.

I used the 590 new front wing whilst on holiday last week on Flag beach Fuerterventura.
I took along my 548 and 550 wings along with the 101 mast and 91 mast.
My time on the water which was every day was in mixed winds and water conditions, for 2 days I went out on my twintip as the conditions were to nasty for the foil.
On my first day out in 20 knts the waves had still not settled down which made for an interesting day on the tall mast and 590 wing, the rise out of the water was solid but then I found I was hitting the crest of many waves and had trouble maintaining height, after a few hours of sailing round and trying to figure out what was wrong I came in and changed back to my 548 wing,no such problems as with the 590, but I did notice the ride was much less stable on the 548, and the stall speed was noticeably higher.
Before getting to the beach the next day I bought a crosspoint screwdriver and removed all the 3 footstraps and moved them all back one hole,
The difference was immediate, the board sailed higher with even foot pressure, the set up felt so silky smooth like never before, speed was up there I believe, but was hard to believe as the ride was so smooth, but as I was blasting past twintips and windsurfers I just knew I was not going any slower than with my other wings.
On the other side of the speed dial I found it amazing just how slow I could go without stalling, this felt really weird being high on the foil and almost at a stop.
So to say there is a big difference I believe is correct, and it's a big difference.
For pure speed on flat water I don't know which wing will suit best, as I never got those conditions and I need my speed watch to confirm the difference.

But for now all is good, I am booking lessons when over there again in 2 weeks, Gunner who sails there is a pro foil boarder and simply amazing to watch, he reckons he can get me full foil tacking and gybing at full speed in a very short time.

Whilst there I got the chance to try out a Ozone Hyper link 9mtr(closed cell foil kite) I refused the demo at first as I have owned a few foil kites over the years and all were not up to the hype, but then when I came in for a drink later on and Pauline landed my 15 MTR Fone Breeze I noticed the said demo kite being taken out, I laughed and told Pauline to watch this as he will never get going with such a small kite, one dive of the kite and he was off like a shot, so I just had to try it, and I found it simply amazing to use, no power spikes like you get with a normal tube kite, the kite was quick, very quick, on the first run out I turned downwind and looped the kite both ways high on the foil and was amazed to find myself just using one hand to loop the kite, the smoothness just inspired confidence, I did turn for the beach later on but decided to just stay out and enjoy this amazing kite.
Before I left a few days later I ordered the same kite which will be waiting for me on my return to Flag beach in a few weeks.

So foilwise the 590 on 101 mast went fast but also had the lowest lowend of your wings, correct?
But you had to move your straps back a hole from usual, right?
Was that on 330 stabilizer?

Yes and yes, and I was using the 330 stabilizer

TomW wrote:
Foil, what's your weight, and what was wind speed on the HL 9m?

I am 220 lbs heavy!
And the wind was warm and light, I would guess around 12 knts but steady, just right for my 15mtr Breeze which works right down to silly low winds but is no where near as fast as the 9mtr hyperlink, but I would guess the 15 would work better in the very light winds, but as yet I can not confirm this as I need to get my 9mtr Hyperlink and compare them both in light airs, I am hoping it will work as it will save me taking my much heavier 15 MTR kite away with me on Holiday.
I did get to use the 12 MTR hyperlink on my last day there but not for long enough to really make any helpfull comments, hopefully I can get to use the 12mtr again when over there in a few weeks.