Trump goes left, new childcare subsidies

originally posted by: enlightenedservant
And now, he's got dismal support from almost every demographic in the country

Got any stats to back up that statement?
From a legitimate source?

I have been using the "we the people" app for months now and have watched the shift and it's the exact opposite you all claim it is. Just because your
small corner of the world doesn't support Trump doesn't mean the rest of the country has the same mentality.

My source is 100% private user generated and out there for you to go check for yourself if you like. Everything you mentioned was supplied by a media
that has a 6% approval rating...
Soooo yeah I'm not part of that 6%.

Somewhat progressive of Trump, which will obviously scare the conservatives among us. Nonetheless, Trump's arguments and policies seem fairly sound,
especially if he is able to offset the costs as he promised. In comparison to Hilary's so-called more detailed Child Care Proposal, I cannot say
either way because it seems to be missing on her website (anyone have a link?).

originally posted by: TheRedneck
On another hand, why is the business expected to pay someone for not working? The employment contract was originally a simple exchange of labor for
money, with an ongoing agreement to how much exchange would happen in a time period. It has expanded to now include healthcare, paid vacation, paid
medical leave, retirement accounts, etc. At some point, it will become a nanny state in itself, with the pay being not for time worked, but for the
title itself. At that point, a worker becomes useless and there can be no jobs.

I'd like to know when the shift happened from working to make a pay check to business paying you when you aren't working and government mandating it.

This is not a surprise. It seems as though Clinton's health will become a big concern for on-the-fence voters, so it would make zero sense for Trump
not to pander in some way to those who were leaning toward voting for Clinton.

Candidates say crap all of the time that they won't do as President, or that they know won't pass through (or even get initiated) in Congress.

He's pandering, and if you ask me, he's picked the correct time to do it (from a political point of view).

The sooner the left/right divide is shattered, the better. Some policies associated to the left have merit, as do some policies from the right.
There will be no coming together until there is a realisation that strict conservatism and strict liberalism are nonsense. I find the whole
left/right argument to be complete BS.

This proves Trump is not a 'true conservative' and that is a good thing because true conservatives, just like true liberals, entrench themselves and
point fingers, in the process getting absolutely nowhere.

Economist Douglas Holtz-Eakin, who runs the right-leaning think tank American Action Forum, worries that this kind of proposal invites employers to
drop their paid maternity leave policies and "stick it to the taxpayer."

Charles Krauthammer criticized Donald Trump's proposal for new childcare subsidies, saying the Republican candidate was trying to "out-Democrat
the Democrats."

The proposed subsidies would include tax deductions, rebates for lower-income households and new tax-preferred savings accounts, as well as a new
promise of paid maternity leave for workers who don't now have it.

"I think this raises the question of how many Democratic parties does the country need," Krauthammer said.

People do not get paid for childcare unless they are working or in some states in school full time.

Most modern countries have paid maternity leave. Family leave for the father. We are so far behind on that it is shocking.

If they get paid leave, they obviously are getting 'leave' from some type of job, where they have already contributed taxes.

Sounds like you would support some type of plan to let companies keep a certain portion of your paycheck, kinda like 401K, that you can have for
maternity leave (paternity leave for the beta males), and pay yourself back as money is put back into it.

Who has contributed to Democrat Rangel from NY? Who contributed over $10,000 to Harry Reid of Nevada to defeat a Tea Party Candidate? Who's
contributed hundreds of thousands fo dollars to Democratic candidates over the years? Trump, that's who.

who attended Trump’s 2005 wedding to current wife Melania at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago Club in Palm Beach, Florida? um...Hillary Clinton, one of his
best friends.

Nothing wrong with being a democrat, we should judge all people individually, but it baffles me that non of you conservatives can see that Trump is an
actual Democrat.

originally posted by: intrepid
This is a HUGE gamble. Trump's supporters will go for anything he says BUT there's a lot of Republicans that this will turn off.

It's like a massive game of Simon says...

I have lost track of how many time Trump has made "conservatives" advocate for things they were staunchly against five minutes before he said
it.

Yeah, I was just listening to an explanation of Trump's plan on the radio. When he calls for "Credits", fiscal conservatives whine "entitlements!",
but those credits are the same thing that conservative think tanks have advocated for decades.

But the semantics aren't important, because the average working family understands that the government is going to spend OUR tax dollars someway,
somehow. It's best to spend a chunk of them on the majority of people who send trillions of dollars to Washington... that's the "working class".

Let the Republicans who are against Trump go-ahead and slam his plans. This is a clear indication that he is on the right track, and will benefit
greatly from his proposals on November 8th.

BTW.. what initiatives has Hillary put forward in the last 30 days? Besides telling us that as President, she will ignore 75 million U.S. citizens,
because they're "deplorable", Hillary has proposed NOTHING that's newsworthy.

Economist Douglas Holtz-Eakin, who runs the right-leaning think tank American Action Forum, worries that this kind of proposal invites employers to
drop their paid maternity leave policies and "stick it to the taxpayer."

Paternity leave? Really? 12 weeks? Does she realize that in a medium sized business, 12 weeks for a man and woman to be gone will be overlapping with
other people on leave? Paternity leave.....wow.

Companies Like FB, Google etc. already have Paternity Leave...hell FB even pays "Baby Cash" bonuses...If you are a new dad they not only give you 4
months paid time off work, but they pay you a few thousand dollars bonus...
It doesn't hurt their bottom line...it INCREASES it...FB's revenues have been breaking records for while now.

What is the average employee worth to a company?
Even at failing companies like yahoo...each employee returns an average of almost 400k
For FB's employees...it's over 1.3M in revenues a year the average employee earns them. www.businessinsider.com...

Taking care of people isn't a moral imperative...it's competitive advantage allowing you to hire the best in the world..

20 Companies that offer PATERNITY leave

Reddit: 17 weeks

2.Facebook: 16 weeks

3.Bank of America: 12 weeks

4.Yahoo: eight weeks

5.Patagonia: eight weeks

6.Google: seven weeks

7.Twitter: six weeks

8.Arnold and Porter: the primary caregiver gets 18 weeks of paid time off and the secondary caregiver gets six weeks

9.Comcast: four weeks (with the option of an additional eight without pay)

10.Microsoft: four weeks

11.Trip Advisor: four weeks

12.McKinsey and Company: four weeks

13.Covington and Burling LLP: four weeks for non-primary caregivers

14.PricewaterhouseCoopers: three weeks

15.McGraw-Hill Financial: three weeks

16.Deloitte: three weeks

17.Discovery Communications: three weeks

18.Fannie Mae: 20 days

19.Wal-Mart: 2 weeks (with an option for an additional six without pay)

I have lost track of how many time Trump has made "conservatives" advocate for things they were staunchly against five minutes before he said it.

For instance?

His brief and mushy Amnesty flop comes to mind...I saw posters here on ATS who immediately went from "round-em-up" to...well...some folks don't break
the law and how are we going to deport 11 million people...

Economist Douglas Holtz-Eakin, who runs the right-leaning think tank American Action Forum, worries that this kind of proposal invites employers to
drop their paid maternity leave policies and "stick it to the taxpayer."

Paternity leave? Really? 12 weeks? Does she realize that in a medium sized business, 12 weeks for a man and woman to be gone will be overlapping with
other people on leave? Paternity leave.....wow.

Companies Like FB, Google etc. already have Paternity Leave...hell FB even pays "Baby Cash" bonuses...If you are a new dad they not only give you 4
months paid time off work, but they pay you a few thousand dollars bonus...
It doesn't hurt their bottom line...it INCREASES it...FB's revenues have been breaking records for while now.

What is the average employee worth to a company?
Even at failing companies like yahoo...each employee returns an average of almost 400k
For FB's employees...it's over 1.3M in revenues a year the average employee earns them. www.businessinsider.com...

Taking care of people isn't a moral imperative...it's competitive advantage allowing you to hire the best in the world..

20 Companies that offer PATERNITY leave

Reddit: 17 weeks

2.Facebook: 16 weeks

3.Bank of America: 12 weeks

4.Yahoo: eight weeks

5.Patagonia: eight weeks

6.Google: seven weeks

7.Twitter: six weeks

8.Arnold and Porter: the primary caregiver gets 18 weeks of paid time off and the secondary caregiver gets six weeks

9.Comcast: four weeks (with the option of an additional eight without pay)

10.Microsoft: four weeks

11.Trip Advisor: four weeks

12.McKinsey and Company: four weeks

13.Covington and Burling LLP: four weeks for non-primary caregivers

14.PricewaterhouseCoopers: three weeks

15.McGraw-Hill Financial: three weeks

16.Deloitte: three weeks

17.Discovery Communications: three weeks

18.Fannie Mae: 20 days

19.Wal-Mart: 2 weeks (with an option for an additional six without pay)

The thing those companies do it because they are trying to attract the best employees. They don't need to do it because of a government mandate. By
not offering it, they are less competitive to the narrow group of employees they are trying to hire as their competitors may offer the benefit. This
is the free market at work.

The other thing to remember too about many companies on that list is that they work their employees to the bone. I worked at one of the companies on
that list and you'd regularly work 60-80 hour weeks. The expectations of an employee were extremely high. It is nothing for them to offer the leave
in return for the commitment.

I have lost track of how many time Trump has made "conservatives" advocate for things they were staunchly against five minutes before he said it.

For instance?

His brief and mushy Amnesty flop comes to mind...I saw posters here on ATS who immediately went from "round-em-up" to...well...some folks don't break
the law and how are we going to deport 11 million people...

He got the ball rolling, that's what matters. If you had the option to deport illegals that have committed criminal acts here in America, would you go
for it?

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