Gems are tanked on my server. We're talking ~50g for Bold/Brilliant/Delicate. Primals are all below 1k (many for MUCH less.) I kind of wonder if that's Blizz's intention... prevent people from building up massive stockpiles of gold while funneling a lot of it out with the BMAH/mounts/etc.

Teranoid wrote:The enchanting mats seem to be working.. sold a couple of the rare crafted rings as well. Anything is better than them rotting I suppose.

Cut gems if they aren't pvp related seem to not be worth shit on Stormreaver sooo.. guess I'll just try and roll them into JC mounts.

I think part of it may also be people are still trying to figure out what cuts to use. Some of the PVP ones that I'm trying to unload from the discovery process are down to 5G or so (that's 5G for rare gems). The good red cuts still aren't over 200G. Metas are in the 1,000-1,500 range depending on the cut.

But the gem prices (and the sales) have been slow enough with too many players that I've been making my gold elsewhere. Enchanting is busy too, too many campers to make many sales.

With all the dailies and rep needs, I don't have the time to properly manage my markets.

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twinkfist wrote:i feel bad for the Mogu...having to deal with alcoholic bears.

Yeah...the JC gem market is shit I have to say. The rings are still selling good @300-500g (Compare that to the lame ass 5-40g for a rare cut)and Trns the Primal Meta has been a great boon for me as well. THough I am sad to say that even those are down to 600g now

halabar wrote:Also, Ashes of Alar is up now, with bidding at 200k this morning when I checked, with at least 12 hours to go.

Realm transfer inc!

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halabar wrote:Also, Ashes of Alar is up now, with bidding at 200k this morning when I checked, with at least 12 hours to go.

Realm transfer inc!

Just leave my gun alone...

Heh you're welcome to it, I swear it's the *only* thing that's been up on my realm, I've seen 4 normal ones and 2 heroic ones at *least*, it's up every few days, really weird.

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I'd love to see a graph showing the amount of player held gold throughout the xpac. I'm wondering if the BMAH is sucking out more than dailies and such are generating. If so, it's possible that 10k minimums will eventually be too high.

Makes me also wonder if Blizz would change the starting bids or maybe introduce some sort of dynamic system that bases it on player gold (kind of like how vendors work in FFXI.)

Skye1013 wrote:I'd love to see a graph showing the amount of player held gold throughout the xpac. I'm wondering if the BMAH is sucking out more than dailies and such are generating. If so, it's possible that 10k minimums will eventually be too high.

Nope, mainly because they aren't serving up enough items of interest to make a goblin go broke. Even with the high-price rare mounts, there's on or so on a server every 2-3 weeks.. that's not going to drain the gold.

The thing that might actually happen is that the BMAH wakes up goblins that had been on the fence due to nothing to spend their gold on. Now that some items are available, they may get back in the game.

Blizz does need to look at some of the starting bids though, mainly the rare pets. The rare pet market on my server has crashed, most rares sell for under 1k, so who is going to pay 10k at the BMAH?

Amirya wrote:... because everyone needs a Catagonskin rug.

twinkfist wrote:i feel bad for the Mogu...having to deal with alcoholic bears.

halabar wrote:Nope, mainly because they aren't serving up enough items of interest to make a goblin go broke. Even with the high-price rare mounts, there's on or so on a server every 2-3 weeks.. that's not going to drain the gold.

Maybe this is true for the goblins, but if people get to 10k and start making bids on the BMAH, that reduces the total available gold for the goblins to obtain as well. I understand most people aren't going to bid on the pets (since the regular AH makes most of them common enough that they buyout for far less than 10k) but there is plenty of unobtainable tmog gear, of level raiding gear, mounts and whatever else they sell.

So, sure, maybe the goblins only spend 1 mil every so often, but how quickly can they rebuild it if nobody else has the gold to pay the normal AH prices for things (combined with the current overavailability of mats?)

But the BMAH only takes out one or two players' gold per day. Except for the huge days, I bet more is made from dailies across the people who would buy goblin goods on the same day. The BMAH would definitely have a slowing effect, but I would be amazed if it slowed so much that it really had much effect.

I suspect, other than the very rare high price item (ashes of a'lar) and heroic (509) gear on servers with rival guilds going for world first (top 100 maybe?) kills, the BMAH has a negligible effect on almost all realms. The amount of gold it removes from the economy is a mere drop in the ocean of that dailies earns, I actually spent a while recently asking people in guild and both on trade/general chat about how much they make from dailies and whilst it ranged from from 100-700g per day the average was around 400g per player, over scores of players (and that's on a rather dead faction). Once you consider both factions and especially more populated servers I think the odd 10k, 20k, maybe even 40k or 50k every few days wouldn't even be noticable, it's the same as if someone crafts a JC mount or a Sandstone drake.

Whilst the amount goblins are able to earn is certainly down from the heady days of Cata it's far from low, I don't even bother to log on every day anymore and barely post more than once a day if I do log on and I've made somewhere in the region of 200k or so profit since MoP started, on a relatively quiet realm, the serious goblins who spend more time and effort on the AH will have made far, far more.

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But how many people are going to keep up that pace once they no longer need the faction rep or have other sources of VP?

For me personally, I'm down to needing 3 reps: AC, SP and Klaxxi. That's what, around 16 dailies? x20 gold each, that's ~320g. Once I've capped the reps, I personally won't be doing those reps (and I'm sure the same holds true for a large number of players.) Do heroics, LFR and non-LFR raiding make up the difference in gold acquisition (especially considering I'm already currently using LFR/heroics to get VP caps?)

Skye1013 wrote:But how many people are going to keep up that pace once they no longer need the faction rep or have other sources of VP?

The point is the BMAH is an outlier. Blizz is notoriously slow to act in changing prices and such, so I highly doubt that they'll make any changes soon. The desirable items will keep selling, and that's all they really care about, a slow bleed of some of the "old gold".

On another note more related to real cost impact to players, I've noticed that the prices of herbs are going up, almost by 100% over the past few weeks. From the post launch herbing rush where they were down to 2G or so each, I had to buy Silkweed last night at 7G and GTL at 4G. The demand for raiding pots and the lack of herbers after they leveled are contributing (and perhaps some herbing bots banned?) Meanwhile, Golden Lotus prices are slowly falling, as people sell off their excess SoH through GL. I find it amusing that even as a Ins/tailor it's still easier to just sell the GL due to competition and laziness, lol.

Amirya wrote:... because everyone needs a Catagonskin rug.

twinkfist wrote:i feel bad for the Mogu...having to deal with alcoholic bears.

Skye1013 wrote:DMF is open as well, so maybe more people buying herbs to make decks?

Good point, that could be an added push, but Silkweed is the worst since it's needed for all the int pots. I'm not seeing the "20 stacks of 20" in Auctionator, but the scribes might be sucking them up.

Goblin senses tingling.. if the market swings back, might suck up low herbs after DMF and sit on them, if that is indeed what is happening.

Amirya wrote:... because everyone needs a Catagonskin rug.

twinkfist wrote:i feel bad for the Mogu...having to deal with alcoholic bears.

Much as I enjoyed farming DM cards and churning out decks previously in Cata I actually found that at least on Medivh, the cheapest method seems to be simply buying the cards across both factions. I can often find them for 1k a card in the weeks between the DM faires, takes 2-3 weeks to build a deck but not like I can turn it in immediately anyways. Turning in the decks and then listing them for 25k once the DM shows up has worked every single time thus far, all the decks have sold within a day, I suspect Tiger deck will continue to sell well for the foreseeable future (much like Greatness did) however the rest, not so much.

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