I grew up in the Midwest, in a white only town as a youngster. Never really hung out with non-whites and was a racially aware young woman growing up. I saw and spoke to non-whites in college but never made close friends with them. Instinctively, I knew it wasn’t a good idea.

Fast forward a few years later I moved to NY and worked in NYC. For the first time I saw the distinct difference as a minority in a city full of non-whites and immigrants from third world countries. The hostility and resentment towards a fair skinned white woman like me was heir apparent. The men liked gawking at me, but the women hated me.

I got married and moved to Hawaii. An area that is blatantly non-white. (Read my previous post about living in Hawaii). My late husband and I lived there for 4 years. The non-whites on that island resented whitey and always felt whitey didn’t do enough, grovel enough or lick boots enough. Just like the American Indians and the blacks, the Hawaiians continually lived in the wound and always looked to whitey as the source of all their problems. I saw right through the hypocrisy and demanded my husband and I leave the island, with or without him.

White people who are not racially aware and some who are, have NO idea how much non-whites hate us. They hate our women’s looks, hair and physique. They hate our intellect and our sense of honor. They want to emulate it, but they cannot and refuse not to. You cannot argue with genetics. Non-white women will do everything to look like white women, from highlighting their hair blond from Asian women getting breast implants and eye jobs.

Then onto to California. A land of sunshine, surf, good weather, economic opportunities and plenty of things to do. When I first came to the town in Orange County I moved to, it was 90% white. When I left in August of this year, it was 45% white. The demographic change is a result of illegals from Mexico and Asians from Vietnam, Korea and the Philippines.

For many years, I loved California. I was a body surfer, active politically and had many friends. After my late husband died I poured myself into politics, yoga and other means of getting back into the social scene.

In 2007 when the economy started to dive into the toilet, I started looking for answers. I saw illegal aliens coming to California, having their anchor babies and having a plethora of benefits including food stamps, section 8 housing, medical benefits and other social services not available to the white man.

I’m thinking what is wrong with this picture. Why are California people swallowing this? Why? Prop 187 was passed in 1994 barring social services to illegal aliens. I was one of the ones who gathered signatures for that position. Once again, Californians were spat on. Whitey had just better shut up and pay to the poor little Mexicans who only come here for a better life.

I saw many of my friends lose EVERYTHING in this economy. Sending countless resumes, going on interviews, burning through their savings and losing their dignity.

I saw myself 30 years down the road. How much longer could I stand to live in a state that despises white middle age women like me and who will continue to bleed me dry, spit me up and chew me out on the 405 freeway.

So I left.

Hardest thing I ever did. I cried plenty of tears and did a lot of soul searching. I had a nice place, full of good friends, safe neighborhood, good weather, body surfed everyday. But the good weather and all the other amenities did not make up for having to see and hear the tower of Babel everywhere I went in public. Press 2 for Spanish my ass.

So the end of the summer I took my truck, packed up all my clothes and a few belongings. What I couldn’t sell out of my old place, I gave away. I gave TONS of stuff away, that was painful as well.

I first went to Oklahoma to see my sister and my nephews. All white city. I felt as if I had been transported to another planet. On the weekend, my sister and I and a childhood friend went driving around and had some margaritas. All white people at McDonalds, restaurants and hotels. It was nirvana. My childhood friend carried a pistol on his belt as Oklahoma is an open carry state. What a concept. For the first time in a LONG time I felt totally safe and secure.

Then onto to Illinois to see more family and friends. The little town my family lived in was mostly white, but many blacks came into this city to shop as St. Louis is a hell hole. The first week I was there, my adult cousin (a handsome red-haired blue-eyed young man) and I went to Arby’s for dinner. The entire fast food was full of blacks. Arrogant hate whitey blacks. When the kid rang up my order (I was hesitant to go in) he rang it up wrong and tried to overcharge me. When I questioned it, he looked as if gurl why are you questioning your black lord?

Finally the manager came over and under his breath, said that white woman is stupid. I said are you talking to me boy? If ANYONE is stupid, it’s you. I called him a stupid ****** and left. I IMMEDIATELY went online and complained to the corporate office. I told the corporate office that I would no longer be shopping at their blatantly anti-white food chain. She sent me some coupons and I gave them to my cousin to use. I wasn’t going back there. Once again, the disdain and contempt for whitey is obvious.

Then onto to Pennsylvania for a fellow stormfronter’s wedding. All white town. I saw more green eyed and blue eyed people in the last month than I’ve seen in 20 years. Once again, as if I’d been transported to another planet. The planet of blue and green eyed people. I kept staring at them, they probably thought I was nuts. The wedding was beautiful, the bride and groom was positively glowing with love and I cried tears of joy of happiness for those two at the rehearsal, the wedding and the reception. The bagpipe music played at the wedding and reception resonated with me in a very deep way. That music speaks to my blood.

Then onto to Tennessee to meet more fellow stormfronters who are building PLE. One friend and I visited the smoky mountains and had a LOVELY time. Sat in nature and just absorbed the trees, the clean air and the safe environment. White people need to be in nature, not in urban jungles where they’re despised.

Then I met two other stromfronters who are building PLE in Eastern TN. One man has a farm with animals. Lovely family who is helping other whites relocate, find jobs and houses. His 3 children are some of the most beautiful kids I’ve ever seen. His 2 daughters are home schooled and totally innocent. They were enchanting. Absolute unspoiled beauty.

His wife who is a lovely human being, makes soap for fellow stormfronter women and is a rare bird who doesn’t need makeup, she’s simply beautiful on her own. White women are beautiful. White women have been sold the Jew lie that we need to look like botox freaks to be a vision of beauty.

The next East TN PLE member is building his own house with his own bare hands. No mortgage and no payment to ZOG. He and his wife are building a future at the top of the mountain where they can live out their lives. Another honorable decent white man who loves his wife and his people.

Then I decided to check out NW Alabama where a PLE is forming there. The first night I walked outside and saw the stars it was a vision from heaven. This was the first time I’d seen those type of stars in 30 years. It literally looked like someone had sprinkled glitter on a black velvet robe. Since I’ve been here, I’ve had no allergy attacks, sugar cravings or body aches. That means I’m happy.

So now I’m at his house helping him build PLE and putting together a lovely home for refugees from the city like myself. It’s a lot of work but I’m up to the challenge.

White people need to get out of the city pronto and do what you can. Building PLE is the only answer for our tribe.

Economic interaction is not merely an end in itself. It will lead to the creation of a sense of community and belonging that has been sorely lacking in Whites for several generations. Before we can even begin to think about creating a real-world political entity like a nation, we have to first see ourselves as a nation.

Economic empowerment is absolutely a precursor to anything else. If Folks are not looking out for each other, community will never be built. If community isn't built, politics will never happen, and no armies will ever arise. As I've said before, without common bonds, everything else is fail. You forge common bonds by living in proximity, trading, sharing in hardships as well as success...it is more than just common blood as families that do not interact together do not consider themselves as "close". I am in no way "close" to my mother, father, or siblings..I am closer to my racial brothers and sisters involved in the same fight as me and I know they have my back whereas my immediate family does not.

I will make sure my racial family has food on their table and know that if I need something it will be provided...indeed, this has already occurred and will continue to and it will build as we all learn to "pay it forward" and what looking out for "people like us" means in the long run.

A common complaint (and a valid one, I think) is that WN is not ideologically coherent. However, I don't believe it is necessarily required to be at this point, or perhaps ever. Rather I view it as a large tent which encompasses many other better developed points of view, such as NS, for example. Additionally, I think it would be unrealistic to expect the same approach to work world-wide when the situations are so different in North America, Europe, SA, AUS, etc. So I will confine my remarks to the situation here in the USA since that is what I know best.

A problem faced in the US I think is the diversity of the white population.

I see the same with our English speaking white population in South Africa which struggles to niche itself and ends up being a ubiquitous "South African" in a nation where ethnicity, even amongst blacks, is still very much alive and celebrated. They have given up their European heritage to try and fit into a newly created "South African"-istic society (there is no such thing) and are basically universally ridiculed because they try to adopt mannerisms of blacks and Afrikaners and try their best to "fit in" but do not get accepted by any group...

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Looking over the examples given in your earlier post, I was continually reminded of the importance of TIMING. Even if everything else is in place, if the larger situation is not conducive to action at that moment, then to force it could be disasterous.

Absolutely agree. Although the changes must happen the timing of when they start must be at the correct time... otherwise you have terrible failures like the ones in Russia at the turn of the 20th century as well as those perennial English and Scottish and Irish uprisings in British history that end with people being disemboweled on Tower Hill...

Timing is essential but remember that once a movement like this starts to gather steam and support it will be pretty difficult to control the timing. As late as 1988 the world predicted that perestroika and glasnost would take upwards of 20 years to bring meaningful change to Russia...

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Here in America, the climate is not remotely close to allowing for the successful establishment of a racial nation (or sub-nation). So until such time as it is (if ever!), we can't just sit here at our keyboards dithering. Up until now, the program (if you can call it that) has been a hodge podge of sporadic, disjointed public actions and/or militia/survivalist tactics. Now we have the PLE movement. IMO, this offers the best track to both fruitfully occupy our attention and efforts in the short term, and to prepare for the time when further goals may be in reach.

I agree 100%

Things like the Northwest Migration and Upper Midwestern Initiative are great ways to start... as I said identifying the geographic location is essential to making a start. Kayden's network of white businesses in those territories and without is an outstanding initiative (ps. Have you contacted OSK in South Africa yet Kayden)...

And as you say the proper work is only beginning now because for the first time there is a good coherent plan to begin such an initiative that will eventually lead to something important.

I applaud the initiative.

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You disagree that economic freedom is a precursor to political liberation. I see your point, but I must say this: Will acquiring economic independence hurt? Since I again stress that this is not yet the time for poliltical action, what better way to engage and unify our people? And when the time does come, having a solvent and committed people will certainly NOT be a liability, don't you think? Also, have the other approaches I mentioned had much success? Granted some survivalists think they have it all figured out, but what long-term prospects do these isolated individuals really have beyond prolonging their own existence for a time? They are not the stuff out of which nations are made.

I agree 100%

Economic strength is NOT an absolute necessity to ensure freedom...

I love Slovenia as an example.

Basically it was the military types (survivalists should be discarded they do not understand community needs and are too selfish in thinking only about themselves being special forces heroes... you don't need green berets being Rambo in forests... you need a bit more than that)... fighting a conventional war with tanks and helicopters that won out there against the central authority.

BUT

Once the war was won, Slovenians immediately set about building their economic strength... so in the 2010 UN Development Index they are rated 29th best place in the world to live... under 20 years to achieve that...

So to answer you

1. Economic strength is NOT an absolute necessity for independence (sorry Kayeden history proves this)

2. BUT You are 100% correct that economic independence being acquired now is not going to harm... it's just going to do good... we're seeing it with OSK already here in my country.... I also gave the example of how we achieved the aspirations of nationalist Afrikaners in South Africa by, among others, acquiring financial wherewithal .... TO SERVE NATIONALIST INTERESTS...

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No, at this time I see no other viable course of action for WN's in the US. As I mentioned, the situation may well be different elsewhere. In fact I've said before that I don't know if PLE is the answer for Europe. But I'm not in Europe, so I can't really speak to that except as an outsider. I do know that we have to begin to seriously involve our people in real-world activities that will improve their lives materially and even more importantly, socially and psychologically. Economic interaction is not merely an end in itself. It will lead to the creation of a sense of community and belonging that has been sorely lacking in Whites for several generations. Before we can even begin to think about creating a real-world political entity like a nation, we have to first see ourselves as a nation.

We are still quite a ways from that perception. We have a lot of work to do.

Agree 100%

You are (sorry about this) hamstrung precisely because you do not have a nationalistic ethnic history to fall back on. We have that in South Africa but so do people in Europe. they have ethnicity and they have the territory where millions bled... have a look at my sig and read up on Volkshulp 2000 and Helpende Hand... helping the poor and our own trade union... you see what I mean by having finances serve the nationalism...

In the USA a different "uniter" will need to be found...

Another thing:

A suggestion is to serve the needs of white working class too... trade unionism is probably a taboo in a conservative environment BUT on a racial basis you need to somehow appeal to the working class and doing so as entrepreneurs is (in my experience) not the right way to do so. Workers need someone to represent them in the dichotomous relationship with businesses OTHER than your Initiative. So for instance... as an example workers who do not work for businesses in the Network will need representation with their disgusting employers... it is a niche you can start to address now already. It's a suggestion... based on what worked for us in South Africa.

My only advice is

Don't marry financial independence initiative as an end in itself... the money must serve nationalism...

Economic empowerment is absolutely a precursor to anything else. If Folks are not looking out for each other, community will never be built. If community isn't built, politics will never happen, and no armies will ever arise. As I've said before, without common bonds, everything else is fail. You forge common bonds by living in proximity, trading, sharing in hardships as well as success...it is more than just common blood as families that do not interact together do not consider themselves as "close". I am in no way "close" to my mother, father, or siblings..I am closer to my racial brothers and sisters involved in the same fight as me and I know they have my back whereas my immediate family does not.

I will make sure my racial family has food on their table and know that if I need something it will be provided...indeed, this has already occurred and will continue to and it will build as we all learn to "pay it forward" and what looking out for "people like us" means in the long run.

I am just philosophizing here Kayden - this is not where we just get down and do it... that happens elsewhere...

I totally disagree with the first portion

BUT

For the benefit of ensuring a unitary response and not fostering disagreement amongst my own I will say I agree with Phoenix that economic freedom is a good initiative and that having economic strength and striving towards it as a means to obtain independence is a superb starting strategy.

And who knows

Maybe in a place like the US where you cannot follow our and European reliance on ethnicity as a uniting factor perhaps economic stability and independence on a racial basis is the way to go... America was after all built on the concept of pursuing happiness... and perhaps one can appeal to that pursuit in a time when people are legislatively being limited on racial grounds from pursuing happiness.

In the end what matters is DOING SOMETHING.

That is what matters... and that is the precursor to the next steps...

having economic strength and striving towards it as a means to obtain independence is a superb starting strategy.

Maybe in a place like the US where you cannot follow our and European reliance on ethnicity as a uniting factor perhaps economic stability and independence on a racial basis is the way to go...

Yep. Our Founding Fathers practiced racial economics, Dr. Pierce, Dr. MacDonald, and many, many more movement leaders (even Robert Mathews) have preached racial economics over and over. It is actually quite surprising to have to defend the concept. It's pretty much common sense that one is limited in what one can do if one is broke.

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Besides. What good is it to be a White Nationalist, without a White Nation?

Things like the Northwest Migration and Upper Midwestern Initiative are great ways to start... as I said identifying the geographic location is essential to making a start. Kayden's network of white businesses in those territories and without is an outstanding initiative (ps. Have you contacted OSK in South Africa yet Kayden)...

All I know about SA is that even in Orania, which where WN like to point to as proof of PLE in SA, they still hire blacks to work for them. My post here sums it up actually:

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I was told that there are areas Whites do not go and that they all know what areas those are. I was told the Whites who get attacked are usually the ones who think "it won't happen to me" and don't use common sense. Or, they trusted the wrong black to work for them. Which is still quite common it seems. Even in Orania, which is posted on WN forums as the SA version of a PLE, blacks still work there. They are "supposed" to be the ones that "stand with the Whites", IE, they understand that it's Whites who keep the jobs going and keep the infrastructure intact.

My impression from my recent conversation with a racially aware SA White is.... that even in the midst of hell, Whites still haven't gotten there act together.

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And as you say the proper work is only beginning now because for the first time there is a good coherent plan to begin such an initiative that will eventually lead to something important.

I applaud the initiative.

I agree 100%

Economic strength is NOT an absolute necessity to ensure freedom...

Here is the part that you are missing. Our enemies economically empowered themselves and then they bought their political power. Understand? Everywhere a jew goes, if they run into another jew, they get free stuff, discounts, even jobs and housing and yes, that includes positions in government that are appointed. If the positions are elected, they overspend, way above what the position pays, to get it. We know this from first hand experience from having our own People run. They got out bought, out advertised. Plain and simple. This happens over and over and over...and will continue to, until we learn to use their tactics against them.

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I love Slovenia as an example.

Basically it was the military types (survivalists should be discarded they do not understand community needs and are too selfish in thinking only about themselves being special forces heroes... you don't need green berets being Rambo in forests... you need a bit more than that)... fighting a conventional war with tanks and helicopters that won out there against the central authority.

BUT

Once the war was won, Slovenians immediately set about building their economic strength... so in the 2010 UN Development Index they are rated 29th best place in the world to live... under 20 years to achieve that...

Sometimes, economics cannot be built while a nation is at war. Thus, Slovenia couldn't until the war was over. Our own Founding Fathers were acting as a separate economy from England, printing their own money, trading with nations besides England, etc. However, that isn't what we are advocating anyway. We are not at war in the conventional sense right now. We have the ability to economically empower our Own, and, if conventional war happens, the system collapses, whatever, we will be in a better position if/when. That's all.

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So to answer you

1. Economic strength is NOT an absolute necessity for independence (sorry Kayeden history proves this)

I already explained above what part I thought you weren't understanding. Our Founding Fathers were no economic powerhouse. We are aren't expecting to become an economic powerhouse. It is not a prerequisite. Acting indepdent, though, in all areas, including economics, is a precursor to independence however. Cart before the horse at this point when all we are talking about helping each other out anyway.

Besides, even though the Colonists began printing their own money and creating their own economy when they were in the midst of breaking away from England (IE, building economy), no one here is talking about printing our own money...even though many are doing it here in the states (non-WN) and in Orania.

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2. BUT You are 100% correct that economic independence being acquired now is not going to harm... it's just going to do good... we're seeing it with OSK already here in my country.... I also gave the example of how we achieved the aspirations of nationalist Afrikaners in South Africa by, among others, acquiring financial wherewithal .... TO SERVE NATIONALIST INTERESTS...

If OSK is "Orania", then no, I disagree, hiring blacks might serve nationalists interests, but it fails to serve racialist, or tribal, interests. After all, that's what this is all about- tribal thinking.

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Agree 100%

You are (sorry about this) hamstrung precisely because you do not have a nationalistic ethnic history to fall back on. We have that in South Africa but so do people in Europe. they have ethnicity and they have the territory where millions bled... have a look at my sig and read up on Volkshulp 2000 and Helpende Hand... helping the poor and our own trade union... you see what I mean by having finances serve the nationalism...

In the USA a different "uniter" will need to be found...

Another thing:

A suggestion is to serve the needs of white working class too... trade unionism is probably a taboo in a conservative environment BUT on a racial basis you need to somehow appeal to the working class and doing so as entrepreneurs is (in my experience) not the right way to do so. Workers need someone to represent them in the dichotomous relationship with businesses OTHER than your Initiative. So for instance... as an example workers who do not work for businesses in the Network will need representation with their disgusting employers... it is a niche you can start to address now already.

We are.

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It's a suggestion... based on what worked for us in South Africa.

Again, not really sure what it is that is supposed to have "worked" for you in SA. You still hire blacks to do the jobs Whites won't, or don't want to, do. To me, that doesn't work and history has proven that.

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Don't marry financial independence initiative as an end in itself... the money must serve nationalism...

I really don't know whatever gave you the idea of "financial indepdence...as an end in itself"?

And if anything becomes visible to outsiders too quicky (as unfortunately HAS happened already in one location ), we will be significantly slowed (at best).

It has happened…..what a surprise….

Let me guess: You’ve never seriously studied, let alone participated (in any capacity) in:Infiltrating social/political groups.Monitoring their activities.Reporting on their activities, with emphasis on leadership.Trying to…ahm….make “friends” within the group.Recommending “further action” to your superiors (who gave you this particular “job”).Initiating activities that can harm the group.Creating/planting evidence that can harm the group.

Blackmailing members of the group (and their families) in order to make them either work for you or leave the group at masse to compromise the leadership and the idea.

Arresting members of the group (mostly on minor charges).Questioning/interrogating members of the group, with emphasis on making “sources” for further work.

I can go on but you get the drift I guess.

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Once we acquire the numbers in a given area, THEN and ONLY THEN should we begin to "fly our flag," so to speak.

Those numbers will be known, THEN, in intimate detail, to THEM.Some within those numbers won’t be what they appear to be…….

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He is not advocating violence as a sole means of obtaining white independence.

Well, mate, if you have to explain THAT to guys here………

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A white homeland?

What else?

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To support pro white political candidates?

Yeah…..

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To create segregated communities?

That will work…..

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To support white businessmen?

Ahhh…………

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They succeeded in all these goals but became rich and fat in the process and by the change in the 1990's had retired or multinationalized their businesses to escape South Africa.

Wow……really………What a surprise…….

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Economic freedom has nothing to do with political nationalism

.Yup……

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Examples

Now..now….all those examples don’t apply to this special case…….

I have one too (no names, of course):A very prosperous region, almost self contained economic entity, based on close bloodlines, built for around 100 years, size 40 x 20 kilometers.Peaceful and hard working people, religious close knit community.

72 hours to destroy it, with (weak) corps size force composed mostly of drunk militiamen but well supported by armor and heavy artillery.72……..hours………

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Let me take it further.

Nice list…..You haven’t listed some other methods…..including …ah….”accidents” to both people and property…….

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It is for the "what if that happens..." situation that Bridgeman is catering to.

Okay i will take that responsibility. I respect Bridge so if he suggests any changes I will gladly listen.

Careful here, mate…….”guilty by association”……

And, overall, very good work……very good.

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No, Bridgeman is saying the same thing over and over after it has already been refuted.

Oh……….

Addressed to Vry Burgher, but if I may….

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Looking over the examples given in your earlier post, I was continually reminded of the importance of TIMING. Even if everything else is in place, if the larger situation is not conducive to action at that moment, then to force it could be disasterous.

YES

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Now we have the PLE movement. IMO, this offers the best track to both fruitfully occupy our attention and efforts in the short term, and to prepare for the time when further goals may be in reach.

True.If……..I repeat……if, done right.If done wrong, though, it will actually severely weaken the “movement” (whatever that is) for the moment WHEN the timing is right for the next phase.Is this really that hard to accept here?

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And when the time does come, having a solvent and committed people will certainly NOT be a liability, don't you think?

Well...there is an option about NOT “having a solvent and committed people” because they are already “neutralized”?THAT is my point here.

Now, there IS one thing that we haven’t discussed in all those options you mentioned.I’ve tried once and it disappeared in limbo .Coincidence?Yeah……..

I’ll spell it out for you:Building a serious separatist idea.Blasphemy here……….

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Economic interaction is not merely an end in itself. It will lead to the creation of a sense of community and belonging that has been sorely lacking in Whites for several generations.

True.If the idea succeeds.What if the idea fails at THIS time?

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Economic empowerment is absolutely a precursor to anything else. If Folks are not looking out for each other, community will never be built. If community isn't built, politics will never happen, and no armies will ever arise. As I've said before, without common bonds, everything else is fail. You forge common bonds by living in proximity, trading, sharing in hardships as well as success...it is more than just common blood as families that do not interact together do not consider themselves as "close".

Well….that is one option, BUT, not the only one.

You can build community based on shared danger, shared disaster and shared suffering……

All I know about SA is that even in Orania, which where WN like to point to as proof of PLE in SA, they still hire blacks to work for them. My post here sums it up actually

I dunno where you got that info from but Orania most certainly does not use black labour. They use just "volkseie" (own people's) labour. They even have a special section where they take people who have mental disabilities out of the multiracial homes and provide them with protected whites only labour. All the labour is white. I've been there... I should know...

However they have tried to make co-operation deals with nearby (about 20 miles) black townships - they are situated in an extremely poor district and the black majority there exacts heavy taxes from them, so they have to look at ways to help the black townships get productive as they are effectively carrying the financial burden of the whole district... so it's in their interest to ensure the blacks work productively... but they have never allowed the blacks into Orania except for discussions and the local township's blacks have rejected all attempts by the town board to create a discussion and co-operation forum... even though the national government obsessively visits the town...

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Here is the part that you are missing. Our enemies economically empowered themselves and then they bought their political power. Understand? Everywhere a jew goes, if they run into another jew, they get free stuff, discounts, even jobs and housing and yes, that includes positions in government that are appointed.

No I understand that portion precisely... it is exactly how the Afrikaner Broederbond assured the Herenigde Nasionale Party gained power in South Africa in 1948... I absoultely agree with you. As I said.. that is exactly what we are again doing with OSK (which is not Orania)... but Oranje Sakekamer (Orange Chamber of Business).. a national white Afrikaner business chamber aimed at assisting whites, creating an Afrikaner state, financially supporting political parties and trade unions that advocate Afrikaner separatism... exactly what the AB did between 1933 and 1961....

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Sometimes, economics cannot be built while a nation is at war. Thus, Slovenia couldn't until the war was over. Our own Founding Fathers were acting as a separate economy from England, printing their own money, trading with nations besides England, etc. However, that isn't what we are advocating anyway. We are not at war in the conventional sense right now. We have the ability to economically empower our Own, and, if conventional war happens, the system collapses, whatever, we will be in a better position if/when. That's all.

I know.... the portion I disagree with from you is in the post I responded to about economic freedom being an absolute prerequisite for freedom... it is not... history proves this... but as I also said... perhaps in this case it is different... and I for one am not going to argue against anything that assists white people... theoretically or practically....

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If OSK is "Orania", then no, I disagree, hiring blacks might serve nationalists interests, but it fails to serve racialist, or tribal, interests. After all, that's what this is all about- tribal thinking.

It is not.... and as i said before if any white person told you they hire blacks in Orania they are lying.

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We are. Again, not really sure what it is that is supposed to have "worked" for you in SA. You still hire blacks to do the jobs Whites won't, or don't want to, do. To me, that doesn't work and history has proven that.

Not in Orania... what worked was explained before in my long post about revolutionary stage developments... When the Network was just an idea you were throwing around in SM I once suggested to you that the work of the AB was an outstanding example of how to develop economic clout that could then be used to obtain control of media and to finance political power. It is a good example and a good example of what not to do after you gain power too....

I've told you that our system was the one between 1933 - 1961... so I'll give you another shortened version---

1902 - Boer Republics surrender
1910 - Union between two Boer Republics and two British colonies forms "South Africa" - Liberal leader Louis Botha becomes premier
1914 - Afrikaner rebellion due to WW1 support of Britain quashed by loyalist forces (including Afrikaans army and police)
1923 - Coalition of Nationalist Party under Hertzog and Labour Party (primarily working class English emigrants) comes to power.
1933 - Liberal Botha and nationalist Hertzog form Government of National Unity... Herenigde National Party splits with FIVE members of 200 seat parliament...
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Now comes the super important stretch which shows how economic unity wins a revolution... probably the only time in history... so a good example to look at...

1. Afrikaner Broederbond is formed with aims as outlined above in previous post - so provides network of Afrikaner businesses who:

* Support each other's businesses
* Promote and finance education amongst Afrikaners
* Promote and financially support cultural movements
* Pay for toughs to rough up opposition meetings (Ossewa Brandwag)
* Help fellows gain positions of influence in civil service
* Finance Herenigde Nasionale Party to power

So it's been done before and I am showing you the example of how it was done... there are lessons... the AB ended up being infiltrated by ZOG and was instrumental in FW De Klerk's rise to power and our eventual capitulation to blacks... in the name of greed... sanctions hurt them.... and their financial independence became financial power became power became greed and the cash became the end in itself... THAT was what I meant....

But as I said

It serves no purpose discussing this (financial independence as a prerequisite to freedom) as you and I have different views on the need for financial independence BEFORE... let's us agree to disagree.... okay? As I said... I agree with Phoenix... it can't do harm and can only have a positive effect.... the South African example shows if it subordinates to ideological needs... there is a good chance of success....

Part 1 (White economic power must subordinate to an ideological ideal)

With respect again we should not be thinking along lines of divisiveness. Bridgeman's proposed approach DOES have merit but he is just not expressing it properly. He is not advocating violence as a sole means of obtaining white independence. He is saying that all plans that have that independence in mind must have an ultimate goal. So when we create a group of white businesses in coalition, then there needs to be a end goal in sight. It serves little purpose not to have a goal to work towards. What is the goal of having a white business coalition. A white homeland? To support pro white political candidates? To create segregated communities? To support white businessmen?

Your entire post is well thought out and I enjoyed reading it... several times.

Our goal is to create a sense of community among White people. Our economic activism is a part of the larger struggle.

Our aims are not so much to get rich as to foster brotherhood. We are pro-White folks that believe that the labor and inventiveness of our people should benefit our people. Not all of us own our own businesses but we do share a strong work ethic and a sense of fair dealing.

We are looking to network with other White Nationalists that are like us. We want to do business with other WN that are like us. Whenever any of us do business with someone, we ask ourselves "Can I trust this guy?". In answering that question we also ask "Is he like me?". Does he share my values? Is he honest and hardworking? Can he be trusted to come through when he gives his word?

Our network is intended to help people who can be trusted on handshake to meet other people who can be trusted. The overall goal is help build community among our people.

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On "Whitopia":

The PLE idea is not about isolating ourselves in an attempt to build an utopia. I live in a PLE area and it is not an utopia! Our people live here and there throughout the town and countryside.

Telling an apolitical White from a White Nationalist around here would be difficult. Some people are WN, a growing number support us, some tolerate us and some are clueless because they have never lived around a large non-White population.

But this area has a reputation for being a mecca for WN. So most non-Whites stay away and apolitical Whites accept that White Nationalism is legitimate objective that many of their neighbors share.

The goal of the PLE is to terraform the area. To win hearts and minds.