<quoted text>You don't, huh? Then I guess you now support the Iraq war.if you were not implying that our founders were invalid, why did you bring up slavery? What did slavery have to do with their stance on firearms? I didn't bring up slavery.

Huh? What are you reading exactly because the last 3 posts you have made, you keep trying to put words in my mouth I never said. Guess when you are desperate as you guys are, you'll twist and connive anything to keep afloat. Nice try little Timmy McTea Bagger. Way too smart for your BS.

<quoted text>Well, he made our country one where you could walk into the boss's office and demand a raise and actually get one. Really, I'm going with the fact that I was making 10K more a year when Clinton was in office. Perhaps you could explain why that is.

Because there was more competition for employees, that's why. It's called Supply & Demand.

This is why after nearly five years of Obamanation, you make 10K less today. There is less of a demand for your services. If Democrats get their way, you will be making 15K less due to the ship load of immigrants coming from Mexico that will do your job for half of what you're making. I already see it happening in my industry. Most of the container drivers, movers and some flatbed drivers are all foreigners. I see them hitting the brakes in the middle of the highway because they have a difficult time reading the highway signs. They have to stop and read slowly.

<quoted text>Huh? What are you reading exactly because the last 3 posts you have made, you keep trying to put words in my mouth I never said. Guess when you are desperate as you guys are, you'll twist and connive anything to keep afloat. Nice try little Timmy McTea Bagger. Way too smart for your BS.

Not putting words in your mouth, only citing the obvious implication. If you don't like my interpretation, then tell us all what you meant when you posted this:

18FlatTires wrote:

<quoted text>You really should read up a little more. considering you started with George Mason being a symbol for all you stand for as a "Constitutionalist". He's the slave owner who refused to sign the Constitution.(insert silly spring noise sound effect here-

<quoted text>Go ahead and post the quote where I stated that our founder's feared 16 year olds with assault rifles. Unless of course this is just another sneaky, scumbag rightwinger lie...again. Go ahead and post that link where I stated that our founder's were afraid of 16 year olds with AK47's. Funny how all I have to do is to post documented facts. All you guys can come up with is to lie about something anyone could see is false. The days of you guys being able to lie and never be held accountable have been shut down by the easily accessed information of the internet.(Also see the end of the GOP)

18FlatTires wrote:

<quoted text>You really should read up a little more. considering you started with George Mason being a symbol for all you stand for as a "Constitutionalist". He's the slave owner who refused to sign the Constitution.(insert silly spring noise sound effect here-B-o-o-I-I-I-I-I-n-g)I'm sure he pictured 16 year old urban youth owning AK-47s with 50 round clips when he made this statement though...right?

Yet another implication. My point is that our founders DID NOT FEAR the use of firearms in any form be they primitive or advanced. Your implication was that if they could have imagined 16 year olds with assault weapons, they wouldn't have written the Constitution they way they did.

<quoted text><quoted text>Yet another implication. My point is that our founders DID NOT FEAR the use of firearms in any form be they primitive or advanced. Your implication was that if they could have imagined 16 year olds with assault weapons, they wouldn't have written the Constitution they way they did.

No, my point is you guys sound exactly like Timothy McVeigh. A point you cannot refute. Anything else you ramble about is just you trying to muddy the waters on that fact.

"The government is afraid of the guns people have because they have to have control of the people at all times. Once you take away the guns, you can do anything to the people. You give them an inch and they take a mile. I believe we are slowly turning into a socialist government. The government is continually growing bigger and more powerful and the people need to prepare to defend themselves against government control" -Timothy McVeighSound like the Tea Party?

<quoted text>No, my point is you guys sound exactly like Timothy McVeigh. A point you cannot refute. Anything else you ramble about is just you trying to muddy the waters on that fact.

And who do YOU sound like?"...the Tea Party can go straight to hell!" Does that make you you & her the same? That's the same argument that you are posing. But maybe your answer is yes. Try this little factoid....ALL poodles are dogs but not ALL dogs are poodles. In other words...Timothy McVeigh may have been a conservative but NOT ALL conservatives are Timothy McVeigh. Or then there's this one... Canton might be a *^&%# but not ALL *^&%#'s are Canton. Digest that one *^&%#.

<quoted text>Our founders were having prophesies of tomahawk missiles and stealth bombers...coo coo, coo coo. You sound like a raving lunatic. One who once again is trying to make up stuff that someone else said. Go ahead a show me where I stated the fathers of our country were invalid. Go play slap and tickle games with Pops, you festering lie machine. I have no time for Timothy McVeigh wanna be's.

WHO is doing the raving?!? WHO makes up more than EVERYONE else combined? WHO calls names MORE than everyone else combined? WHO is constantly calling other people liars without a thimble of evidence? YOU spew all of this name calling tripe when you don't have to be face to face. I don't know about XXX & others, But I would love to play 'slap & tickle' with you one on one. And I promise that YOU would be disappointed *^&%#.

<quoted text>Because there was more competition for employees, that's why. It's called Supply & Demand.This is why after nearly five years of Obamanation, you make 10K less today. There is less of a demand for your services. If Democrats get their way, you will be making 15K less due to the ship load of immigrants coming from Mexico that will do your job for half of what you're making. I already see it happening in my industry. Most of the container drivers, movers and some flatbed drivers are all foreigners. I see them hitting the brakes in the middle of the highway because they have a difficult time reading the highway signs. They have to stop and read slowly.

Your memory is shorter than the middle part of your anatomy, that was happening before Obama got elected.

<quoted text>Your memory is shorter than the middle part of your anatomy, that was happening before Obama got elected.

Yes it was, and it's going to get worse than better. Since DumBama took office, median household incomes are lower. That's not a good sign.

There is light at the end of the tunnel though. Because our wages went down and China's is up, there is work coming back to the US. It seems as though shipping is an issue. Because of the wage changes, American companies are finding it more advantageous to produce here because their customers are here. Now if we were still a strong union country, those jobs would have stayed overseas. Over 30% more manufacturing is coming back from overseas than last year.

<quoted text>No, my point is you guys sound exactly like Timothy McVeigh. A point you cannot refute. Anything else you ramble about is just you trying to muddy the waters on that fact.

Oh, back to Timothy McVeigh again?

Well since you love quotes so much, try this one on for size:

"In the wake of the Newtown massacre, polls show the great majority of Americans are now insisting that the ability to live free from the fear or threat of gun violence is a fundamental democratic right  one that far supercedes any so-called personal gun rights allegedly contained in the Second Amendment.

In fact, the right-wing extremists opposing all efforts to curb gun violence are the same forces that rallied behind Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney, hoping to undermine every other democratic right as well as the living standards of workers and ordinary Americans. It is for that reason, as well as the need to protect public safety, that the same coalition of labor and its allies that worked so hard and effectively to re-elect President Barack Obama must now go all-out to back his s for gun law reform.

As Obama has charged, the extremists recklessly gin up fear that the government is coming to take away hunting rifles and personal weapons owned for legitimate self-defense. Led by the hate-mongering leadership of the National Rifle Association, they use a totally fraudulent and only very recent interpretations of the Second Amendment which they falsely claim as necessary for protecting every other freedom contained in the Bill of Rights .

Actually, the Second Amendment wasnt enacted with any of these things in mind. The amendment was adopted as a means to enable the new American republic, lacking a standing army or state national guards, to muster militia to put down domestic uprisings, including slave revolts, to repulse any attempted return by the British and to deal with clashes with Native Americans on the expanding frontier. These issues vanished long ago. The Second Amendment is obsolete and now has been twisted to threaten the basic safety and security of all Americans."

Now this sounds something like Joe Biden or Barack Obama woulds say. Maybe even Nazi Piglosi. But guess who made this statement (and more if you care to click on the link)? This is a quote from Rick Nagin, head of The Ohio Communist Party and National board Member of the US Communist party.

<quoted text>And who do YOU sound like?"...the Tea Party can go straight to hell!" Does that make you you & her the same?That's the same argument that you are posing. But maybe your answer is yes.Try this little factoid....ALL poodles are dogs but not ALL dogs are poodles.In other words...Timothy McVeigh may have been a conservative but NOT ALL conservatives are Timothy McVeigh.Or then there's this one... Canton might be a *^&%# but not ALL *^&%#'s are Canton. Digest that one *^&%#.

As far as I'm concerned they can go straight there. They are obsessed with controlling women's bodies and dictating to doctors about women's choices that they have no business sticking their nose in.Tim Huelskamp(R-KS) stuck an amendment to the budget battle that they created that would allow employers and insurers to opt out of preventative care for women if the employer or insurer finds that they are objectionable on moral or religious grounds. What does that have to do with a budget? Yet who screams the loudest about unwanted babies that could have been prevented. Who keeps de-funding Planned Parenthood that provides women's health services for all different kinds of women's health issues,while all the while screaming about welfare babies? Hate to burst your bubble but most women aren't as stupid as you think they are.

<quoted text>Yes it was, and it's going to get worse than better. Since DumBama took office, median household incomes are lower. That's not a good sign.There is light at the end of the tunnel though. Because our wages went down and China's is up, there is work coming back to the US. It seems as though shipping is an issue. Because of the wage changes, American companies are finding it more advantageous to produce here because their customers are here. Now if we were still a strong union country, those jobs would have stayed overseas. Over 30% more manufacturing is coming back from overseas than last year.

Your so dumb it's not even funny. Fox News hasn't covered that the Chinese workers are demanding and organizing, demanding higher wages and working conditions and getting them so that it is becoming cheaper to bring those jobs back here. They're getting tired of being treated like slaves over there. Does Foxx Conn ring a bell? Probably not to you. Enjoy your lonely, bitter night.

<quoted text>Your so dumb it's not even funny. Fox News hasn't covered that the Chinese workers are demanding and organizing, demanding higher wages and working conditions and getting them so that it is becoming cheaper to bring those jobs back here. They're getting tired of being treated like slaves over there. Does Foxx Conn ring a bell? Probably not to you. Enjoy your lonely, bitter night.

Where did I say it was a Fox report? I guess you just assumed that being a brainwashed victim.

No.... this was a CNN report copied by Channel 19 news here in Cleveland. And yes, the Chinese workers are going for higher wages just like the US workers did during the strong union movement. And like the US workers, these Chinese are losing work to competitors.

Being a liberal, it's not surprising you didn't draw the line. Lower wages means more jobs. Higher wages for people doing menial work means less jobs.

Perhaps visit one of your public school teachers about the subject. Maybe they will be able to explain it to you in terms you can understand.

<quoted text>As far as I'm concerned they can go straight there. They are obsessed with controlling women's bodies and dictating to doctors about women's choices that they have no business sticking their nose in.Tim Huelskamp(R-KS) stuck an amendment to the budget battle that they created that would allow employers and insurers to opt out of preventative care for women if the employer or insurer finds that they are objectionable on moral or religious grounds. What does that have to do with a budget? Yet who screams the loudest about unwanted babies that could have been prevented. Who keeps de-funding Planned Parenthood that provides women's health services for all different kinds of women's health issues,while all the while screaming about welfare babies? Hate to burst your bubble but most women aren't as stupid as you think they are.

Actually, you could hardly be more wrong. True Libertarians are for total choice. Go ahead & have an abortion, snort whatever drug that you want, follow whatever religion that you want even if it means handling snakes or having 20 spouses etc etc. There is NO desire to control others, in fact Libertarians allow that everyone is RESPONSABLE for their own decisions. Be that schooling, drugs, arms, home buying, abortion, & more. They just expect that people follow their own convictions & do NOT create excuses on the back of others NOR do they BLAME others when things come out undesirably. It would be your or your families blame if YOU died from a drug OD. Micheal Jackson HUGH family has sued his doctor for his death. How about Micheal's HUGH family? Does one NOT think that they had no idea as to what was going on? Point being....accept responsability for ones personal decisions. Don't expect society to provide the parachutes & safety nets.

<quoted text>Actually, you could hardly be more wrong. True Libertarians are for total choice.

"Libertarian Republican United States House of Representatives' member Ron Paul calls for overturning Roe v. Wade and letting the states decide the issue. His son, Republican Senator Rand Paul, calls himself "totally pro-life" and supports "any and all legislation that would end abortion or lead us in the direction of ending abortion." In 2008, the Libertarian Party candidate for president was Bob Barr who has called abortion "murder" and opposed legalized abortion."

<quoted text>As far as I'm concerned they can go straight there. They are obsessed with controlling women's bodies and dictating to doctors about women's choices that they have no business sticking their nose in.Tim Huelskamp(R-KS) stuck an amendment to the budget battle that they created that would allow employers and insurers to opt out of preventative care for women if the employer or insurer finds that they are objectionable on moral or religious grounds. What does that have to do with a budget? Yet who screams the loudest about unwanted babies that could have been prevented. Who keeps de-funding Planned Parenthood that provides women's health services for all different kinds of women's health issues,while all the while screaming about welfare babies? Hate to burst your bubble but most women aren't as stupid as you think they are.

<quoted text>you are a nut job plain and simple.Women do not have the choice to murder, and get a pass on it.Men do not have a pass on murder either.Murder is a sin listed in the 10 commandments.Abortion is murder, even if liberals say it is not.Abortion is not a medical procedure.

If you even got a high school diploma, turn it back in and start over.

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