If I am wrong that about you saying he needed a strong line, running game and receivers, my apology. As for Eli, I fear that the game may have passed him by in terms of being one of the last pure pocket passers. The NFL has a league wide shortage of offensive linemen. I fear that Eli's lack of mobility (even when he moves around in the pocket it often ends with an off-target throw) may mean he can't function effectively. It's not all on Eli, he didn't create the offensive line shortage. However, it's there and every QB including Eli needs to be able to deal with it. Some QBs run around in the pocket like Rogers, others are a threat to run but all of them need to figure out how to help their weak pass blocking lines.

Another thing that needs to be pointed out for those who prefer mobile QBs.

QBs like Rodgers, Wilson, Newton, Prescott, they are considered mobile because they can extend the route from like 3-4 seconds to 6-7 seconds. They can survey the field and the blocking in front of them and if the initial receivers do not get open, they can slide or roll out to create more time for WRs to get open.

Even for how great their mobility is - you CANT do it if you are being hit within 3 seconds. I mean rewatch the film guys (I did, yuck). There were too many times where Eli was being either pressure or hit before he hit the final step of his drop. It starts up front with the 5-6 blockers. If they cant block 4, FOUR!!!!!!!, guys - then we arent winning anything anyways.

Another thing that needs to be pointed out for those who prefer mobile QBs.

QBs like Rodgers, Wilson, Newton, Prescott, they are considered mobile because they can extend the route from like 3-4 seconds to 6-7 seconds. They can survey the field and the blocking in front of them and if the initial receivers do not get open, they can slide or roll out to create more time for WRs to get open.

Even for how great their mobility is - you CANT do it if you are being hit within 3 seconds. I mean rewatch the film guys (I did, yuck). There were too many times where Eli was being either pressure or hit before he hit the final step of his drop. It starts up front with the 5-6 blockers. If they cant block 4, FOUR!!!!!!!, guys - then we arent winning anything anyways.

You need to also add that mobile QBs will slow down the rush because the rushers need to be more disciplined

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You need to also add that mobile QBs will slow down the rush because the rushers need to be more disciplined

It still wont matter one IOTA if they are getting to the QB in the lanes they are suppose in less than 3 seconds. There were too many times people got into their lanes with adjusting or altering it without being blocked.

Green Bays pass rush was not slowed down one bit by Wilson's mobility.

It still wont matter one IOTA if they are getting to the QB in the lanes they are suppose in less than 3 seconds. There were too many times people got into their lanes with adjusting or altering it without being blocked.

Green Bays pass rush was not slowed down one bit by Wilson's mobility.

If this play had been Eli's he would have taken a sack or thrown an incompletion

Now we need a "special coach" for Eli? Tonka, the list of things we need to get the performance out of Eli is growing. We will add this to a great offensive line, a solid running game, and good receivers.

That's not what he meant Rich, lol! Special in the sense that he appreciates Eli for who he is, works to minimize his weaknesses, and capitalize on his strengths versus bringing in a new system that really doesn't help him at all. McAdoo's system does not put Eli or the Giants in a position to succeed.

That's not what he meant Rich, lol! Special in the sense that he appreciates Eli for who he is, works to minimize his weaknesses, and capitalize on his strengths versus bringing in a new system that really doesn't help him at all. McAdoo's system does not put Eli or the Giants in a position to succeed.

Which sort of circles back to McAdoo. They knew Ben and they knew what sort of offense he liked to run when they made him OC and then head coach. They also knew what they had with Eli. So why create such a mismatch?

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Which sort of circles back to McAdoo. They knew Ben and they knew what sort of offense he liked to run when they made him OC and then head coach. They also knew what they had with Eli. So why create such a mismatch?

Because Jerry Reese and the front offices philosophy is to try to put square pegs in round holes forcing the coach to figure it out.

Which sort of circles back to McAdoo. They knew Ben and they knew what sort of offense he liked to run when they made him OC and then head coach. They also knew what they had with Eli. So why create such a mismatch?

What I am beginning to think is that Reese wanted his own HC and this HC wants his own QB, which means...

Which sort of circles back to McAdoo. They knew Ben and they knew what sort of offense he liked to run when they made him OC and then head coach. They also knew what they had with Eli. So why create such a mismatch?

Maybe he told them what they wanted to hear or promised something he thought he could deliver on and is finding out he can't.

Knowing Ben is a newbie coordinator and now HC, I would think Reese and Co. would have him on a short lease until he can demonstrate that he has a good handle on the team and they're moving in the right direction. Forget the 11-5 record from last year. He was brought in as an offensive coach and his bread and butter hasn't produced.