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Good old weirdo Frank....more assertions...zero sources. You are great at sarcasm Frank...Poor in intellect...failure in actual knowledge. At least Herod points to wiki...biased as its authors often are regarding Israel. I mean it's really hard to prove most wars have nothing to do with religion...but good old Frank claims otherwise..with no sources of course.

And according to weirdo frank..jews should stop being Jews so people will stop wanting to kill them. Lol.Frankie.....did you know world war 2 killed 4% of the world's population. How was that a religious war again? Describing you as a dufus is really an insult to stupid people.

Well Frankie...6 million Jews died per the 50,000,000 total during world war 2. The Jews did not kill anybody because they were religious...they were killed because they were religious..killed by atheists. You prove my point...and you also are blaming the Jews for being killed for being Jews. Instead they should have been atheists. You make zero sense.

Read and digest.The occupation and theft of other people's land, to fulfil a religious fantasy.Wars, fought only for religious belief.

I don't think that wars are fought only for religious beliefs. Quite the contrary.

I only provided that example because all the wars currently being fought in the former Palestine are directly due to religious belief..The "judeo-christian" west decided to create a theological theme park, on land which was already owned, and occupied.They implemented that idea, by force, on an unwilling population.

The continuation of that mistake is the root cause of much of the hatred against the west, by "islamic" countries and the extremists within them.I've said time and time again, that "islam" is every bit as deluded as the rest.But still, an injustice is an injustice, if you're objective, and I try to be.

No one can seriously research the establishment of this religious fantasy, and not conclude the the western powers have been just as guilty of shameful imperialism, as in any of their other former "apartheid" colonies, or the slavery which preceded that.

So in this case, yes, religion is entirely to blame.I never said "all wars". Now you've made me sound like DeeI hope you're happy now.

Actually wrong about that too Herod. Israel arose out of the flames of the holocaust. If the godless and wicked (like Herod) atheists had not caused the holocaust..european jews never would have felt the need to flee Europe to the lands of the former ottoman Empire, their historical home. The atheists are to blame for Israel. And vile atheists like you and Elphaba are the reason israel will endure. It has no choice.

Posted By: HaplataMuch more than that. I'm willing to bet I have the record in pof history..

holding the record of getting kicked off a site if anything is proof of having no dignity ....you regenerate more times than Dr. Who ...in fact if ever one of Dr' Who's regenerations results in him turning into a "female cyber stalker psychopath with no self esteem" they should just let you play the part

Posted By: vlad dracul Not being of a religious way all i can say is judaism and christianity do not instill the same fear on here as islam does likesy.

so are you afraid that Islam will do the same to Scotland as England Catholicism has done? ..take away your way of life and Independence ...oh that's right..Scotland has no Independence ..so as Trump would say....give Islam a chance...what do you have to lose

Posted By: vlad dracul"So here is a question for the feardy ones. Are the ex muslim homosexuals being islamophobic in their condemnation of islam or is islam being homophobic in its condemnation of homosexuals?"

an ex-muslim wouldn't be Islamophobic because they would have been taught that homsoexuality is condemned by the Abrahamic religions and not by the Human Race ....so does that answer your question Vlad?

Posted By: vlad draculNot being of a religious way all

do that mean you follow God anarchically? .....but anyway I can guarantee that your parents or other close friends and family are religious...and that is why you are just as afraid of saying anything negative about Christianity as you claim others are about Islam

if this is not true...then do tell of the fears that you claimed that Islam installs....and let's see if i can give examples of how Christianity and Judaism did the same ...perhaps even done to Scotland

"holding the record of getting kicked off a site if anything is proof of having no dignity "

Have you bothered looking at your profile photo. Clear evidence of no dignity. Your constant nonsensical babbling ..clear evidence of a small, inferior feeling man with no dignity lashing out. You are very transparent fun...you just don't honestly look at yourself.

I come back because the people who don't want me here are nobodies in my life.and because I can and want too.

Have you bothered looking at your profile photo. Clear evidence of no dignity. Your constant nonsensical babbling ..clear evidence of a small, inferior feeling man with no dignity lashing out. You are very transparent fun...you just don't honestly look at yourself.

Are you really that stupid you cannot see the irony, or are you just a troll with no game?

Fun"so are you afraid that Islam will do the same to Scotland as England Catholicism has done? ..take away your way of life and Independence ...oh that's right..Scotland has no Independence ..so as Trump would say....give Islam a chance...what do you have to lose"

What did english catholicism do to Scotland then? I know the vatican sanctioned protestant william of orange defeated the Scottish catholic Stuart monarchs around the 11th july 1690. We have already done the Scottish independence thing mate. And yes i agreed with you then and still do. Scotland bottled it.

What does president the donald have to do with religious beliefs and Scottish independence then mate? I'm confused (no very hard to do).

"sure no problem..it's a pretty simple questionPosted By: vlad dracul"So here is a question for the feardy ones. Are the ex muslim homosexuals being islamophobic in their condemnation of islam or is islam being homophobic in its condemnation of homosexuals?"

an ex-muslim wouldn't be Islamophobic because they would have been taught that homsoexuality is condemned by the Abrahamic religions and not by the Human Race ....so does that answer your question Vlad?"

Now at last. An answer i can sort of half get. I'm sure the muslim council and the fire brigade union will reach the same conclusion. And no charges will be brought by the old bill. (Are you aware you can get jailed on these islands for ridiculing religion?)

"do that mean you follow God anarchically? .....but anyway I can guarantee that your parents or other close friends and family are religious...and that is why you are just as afraid of saying anything negative about Christianity as you claim others are about Islam"

Nope i follow no god. My ma and dad stopped going to kirk in the mid to late sixties when i was but a primary school bairn. The only time i hear a religious ceremony is usually at a funeral. And even then it's mainly aulder folk. None of my family or close friends attend chapel, kirk, mosque or synagogue mate. And religion is spoke of mainly in a football sense of 90 min wind up.........

"if this is not true...then do tell of the fears that you claimed that Islam installs....and let's see if i can give examples of how Christianity and Judaism did the same ...perhaps even done to Scotland"

The fear islam installs is in those in dhminnitude who run scared of being branded an islamophobe. I cannot speak for judaism.

But i know christianity used to try and instill the fear of hell and damnation in folk.

I know my dad was told no to go back to the kirk because he worked one sunday communion.

I know citizens openly criticise the christian church and indeed individuals take christian practicing citizens to court over their 'phobia'.

I know the fear of 'hell and damnation' means little now because folk questioned that belief.

Geez, Vlad, you're the only man I ever asked "was it long enough for you", you should be honored :) As for letting baws drop any time other than New Year's Eve, I live up north where its cold--ours never get a chance to drop. Unless we get old, but then they droop. At least they never go bald or get grey hair. Speaking of baws, while I may be busting yours by turning the situation around, KJ actually posted something I agree with:

"They can not, Vlad. It creates a self identity crisis as related to group affiliation. The same dilemma occurs with the Sharia Law promoting Linda Sarsour and the Women's rights movement.

I believe that they are under the impression that through multiculturalism.....the Wahhabism and Salafism idelogic branches of the Islamic faith will become "watered down".

>>>Well, ok, the first part about Sharia law is amusing. A Christian business wants to refuse serving gays for religious reasons, and conservatives are all over that. But a Muslim wants to do something for religious reasons, and suddenly conservatives remember something Constitutional about Separation of Mosque and State. But the Wahhabi point is interesting, and not just b/c I love Wahhabi on my sushi. In 1979 when the Saudis opened up madrassas to teach this stuff in Pakistan to the muhajedeen in Afganistan, even sent Bin Ladin construction in there (have you heard about one of his sons?), it was all great and wonderful.

Since then, the Mideast has become a proxy war between them and the radical Shi'a in Iran. Both sponsored death squads in Iraq when we stood around with our thumbs up our ass wondering where in hell Ahmed Chalabi was. ISIS gets a lot of aid and comfort from the Saudis, amongst others. So why is it when Chump bans Muslims, he gives a free pass to those who he does business deals with? Why is it after 9/11, "Bandar Bush" was so cozy? C'mon, KJ, you know the conspiracy theories, if you talk about Wahhabi and Salafism, why not take the obvious next step, tell us about the Saudis and Trump and the business deals and why he's so cozy with terrorist supporters?

Actually wrong about that too Herod. Israel arose out of the flames of the holocaust.

Yeah. Cool story.Except:It began in the 1890shttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism60 years before WWII.

If the godless and wicked (like Herod) atheists had not caused the holocaust..european jews never would have felt the need to flee Europe to the lands of the former ottoman Empire, their historical home.

Yeah.The war ended 9 years before I was born. You can't pin that on me.

And it hadn't been their "historical home" for 2,000 years.The Balfour declaration was in 1917, and stated Britain's intent on establishing a new state for "jews", in Palestine.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration

It had nothing to do with the "holocaust", though I appreciate that it makes it sound better, to say so.

The fact is, it was an idea first invented in the late 19th century, implemented by the British, who then walked away from it, because they could see that it was nothing but trouble, especially after the zionists killed all those innocent people in the king David hotel.

Religion causes people to act irrationally, and to justify their inhumanity, with primitive, discredited "beliefs".Just because you've been bullied, it doesn't make it alright to bully someone else.

Zionism drove 700,000 peaceful people from their legally-owned homes, and although their own establishment relied on "the right of return" for anyone claiming to be "jewish", (based on some controversial and contested historical "links"), that same right wasn't accorded to the very Palestinians who had fled their actual homes.

There can be no peace, until the mistake and injustice which they inflicted on another, entirely undeserving people, is acknowledged, and some recompense offered.We all know what's right, and what's wrong."Israel" has been a massive fvck-up.

Sooner or later, that will have to be put right.It's only fair.There's no other way.

If you don't have the integrity to agree the holocaust made all the difference....if jews were not persecuted and ultimately killed, they would have never left europe and immigrated to an antiquated, desert land where there was nothing...but Sand dunes. They left for what they hoped would be a more secure future with their fellow Jews where they could practice their religion without worrying about reprisals from godless atheists.

GTOSorry mate i was a bit nippy this morning. I had the youngest two grandbairns for a sleepover last night. 5 year old identical twins. They ran me ragged. I was up and doon more times than a whores knickers running to the fridge, getting pizza, back ti the fridge, watching films (although the new lego batman one was quite good), getting sweeties, then back to the fridge. Then the same from half 7 this morning.......

"Geez, Vlad, you're the only man I ever asked "was it long enough for you", you should be honored :)"

In my world that is classed as an oooer missus. Look it up........

"As for letting baws drop any time other than New Year's Eve, I live up north where its cold--ours never get a chance to drop. Unless we get old, but then they droop. At least they never go bald or get grey hair. Speaking of baws, while I may be busting yours by turning the situation around, KJ actually posted something I agree with:"

Same here in Edinburgh mate. Although next week is meant to be roasting.......

"They can not, Vlad. It creates a self identity crisis as related to group affiliation. The same dilemma occurs with the Sharia Law promoting Linda Sarsour and the Women's rights movement. I believe that they are under the impression that through multiculturalism.....the Wahhabism and Salafism idelogic branches of the Islamic faith will become "watered down".

>>>Well, ok, the first part about Sharia law is amusing. A Christian business wants to refuse serving gays for religious reasons, and conservatives are all over that. But a Muslim wants to do something for religious reasons, and suddenly conservatives remember something Constitutional about Separation of Mosque and State."

Yet i posted on here when a couple of geezers went to muslim owned bakeries in shermanland and filmed themselves asking for a wedding cake for two guys. Around 6 muslim owned bakeries refused them. The silence on here was deafening..........

"But the Wahhabi point is interesting, and not just b/c I love Wahhabi on my sushi. In 1979 when the Saudis opened up madrassas to teach this stuff in Pakistan to the muhajedeen in Afganistan, even sent Bin Ladin construction in there (have you heard about one of his sons?), it was all great and wonderful."

Yep i heard of the bin laden link to shermanland. Well WHO exactly thought it was great and wonderful? The unemployed? The poor? Yous dud of course have the red under the bed scare but as far as i know did democrat and republican not practice that?........

"Since then, the Mideast has become a proxy war between them and the radical Shi'a in Iran. Both sponsored death squads in Iraq when we stood around with our thumbs up our ass wondering where in hell Ahmed Chalabi was. ISIS gets a lot of aid and comfort from the Saudis, amongst others."

Why did sherman administrations stand by? And is that not what a lot of us want? Namely no involvement.........

"So why is it when Chump bans Muslims, he gives a free pass to those who he does business deals with? Why is it after 9/11, "Bandar Bush" was so cozy? C'mon, KJ, you know the conspiracy theories, if you talk about Wahhabi and Salafism, why not take the obvious next step, tell us about the Saudis and Trump and the business deals and why he's so cozy with terrorist supporters?"

Personally i cannot answer that. It's a shermanland issue.

But i would not waste one of our soldiers lives or loss of limbs in foreign wars. Let them get on with it i say.

Ps type seaside postcards saucy into google and you shall get the origins of oooer missus

no harm, no foul, I found a leak in the car radiator this morning, lucky it got me home, and after pulling it out and dumping coolant over the driveway, I broke a part needed for the new one and have to wait until tomorrow for the store to restock it. but at least its not my primary car. I get being a wee knackered, we're just not as young as we used to be labor all day, chase women all night. Congrats on the grandchildren, I always say kids are fun to make, but otherwise they are fun when they belong to someone else. Or as the old joke goes, married lovers are fun like grandchildren, as soon as get to be a pain in the arse you can send them home again.

The seaside saucy postcards was interesting, we had the "tip and strip" naked pens:

http://nostalgiacentral.com/pop-culture/fads/naked-lady-pens/

Jimmy Carter first began sponsoring in Afganistan, what would later become Al Quada. It was to teach the Soviet Union a lesson after what they did to us in Vietnam. To bleed them dry in war expenses. Reagan thought it was good enough to expand, there's a Tom Hanks movie about it, suggested some religious right wing Texans got behind it.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0472062/

Its basically where we created the term "political blowback" from. Reagan preached the mujahedeen were just like our Founding Fathers kicking out the British. Well, the problem with all allies is, they all have their own agenda. As for the Red Scare,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Scare

Senator Joe McCarthy's witch hunts (I think the Crucible was basically written about these?) blacklists in Hollywood (which thought the early Soviets were a wonderful opportunity, to the point Ayn Rand wrote her books (Atlas Shrugged, etc) to speak out against it), well, they predominately came from the conservatives who now think Trump and Putin together as the path to world peace. no, really, the GOP has done a 180 on what it used to believe.

When Saddam and Iran went at it for 7 years, the west let it happen b/c it kept both of them busy. Reagan even helped supply both sides, which gets the "Iran" in "Iran Contra" and "Iraqgate" with Bush and the BCCI bank. But in modern times the Saudis kill Iranian allies in Yemen and Iran's allies fighting for Assad in Syria b/c it keeps Iran busy and b/c the Saudis are fighting Iran for control of OPEC...and of course the age-old debate of who picked the right descendant of Mohammed (vastly simplified version of events, of course).

probably best to look at the picture before you upload it ....er...DUH? ...

Your constant nonsensical babbling

you still haven't treated your dyslexia?

Posted By: HaplataI come back because the people who don't want me here are nobodies in my life

if they were nobodies... that would be the reason not to come back ..stop blaming others for your lack of dignity

Posted By: Haplataand because I can and want too.

Jeff Goldblum said it best in "Jurassic Park" ..."you was so preoccupied that you could ... that you didn't stop and think if you should"

Posted By: vlad dracul (Are you aware you can get jailed on these islands for ridiculing religion?)

are you aware that once upon a time in America Christians once hung witches?

Posted By: vlad draculNope i follow no god

which only means you could be an Agnostic ...and that's a religion ...

Posted By: vlad draculMy ma and dad stopped going to kirk in the mid to late sixties

not going to church doesn't prove your parents are no longer religious ...

THE QUESTIONso I guess the question to ask is..."Vlad are you and your parents Godless?"

Posted By: vlad draculThe fear islam installs is in those in dhminnitude who run scared of being branded an islamophobe

jeez...that's it? .....I thought you were going to stay they were afraid of being beheaded or something ... posters in this forum speak their minds and have been called Anti-semitic...Anti-Christian....so why would they have a fear of being called Islamophobic?

Fun"are you aware that once upon a time in America Christians once hung witches?"

Aye.......

"Posted By: vlad dracul Nope i follow no god

which only means you could be an Agnostic ...and that's a religion ..."

Nope. Athiest........

"Posted By: vlad dracul My ma and dad stopped going to kirk in the mid to late sixties

not going to church doesn't prove your parents are no longer religious ..."

Well religion was never really talked about much in my house. Although i had a cousin who was a minister. He got thrown out of america for railing against the polis shooting a black geezer in boston......

"THE QUESTIONso I guess the question to ask is..."Vlad are you and your parents Godless?"

Well i consider myself an athiest. Both my parents are dead now so i cannot comment on what their views on religion were........

"Posted By: vlad draculThe fear islam installs is in those in dhminnitude who run scared of being branded an islamophobe

jeez...that's it? .....I thought you were going to stay they were afraid of being beheaded or something ... posters in this forum speak their minds and have been called Anti-semitic...Anti-Christian....so why would they have a fear of being called Islamophobic?"

Maybe they are afraid of being beheaded? Maybe uk posters fear being arrested for 'islamophobia'? Some posters will never get called islamophobic. Because they never offer a critical view on islam.

GtoHere c'mon mate. We are not all that backward here lol we had the same pens over here. If you like british humour the carry on films are where its at daddio. Carry on up the khyber, carry on at your convenience, carry on cleo (with the famous kenneth williams playing caeser shouting Infamy, Infamy they all have it Infamy), sid james and his fantastic laugh. Brilliant stuff

Let me put it this way fun....your profile photo tells the world you are looking for a particular type of woman....those with dignity...class...warmth...sensitivity....need not apply. Hey just an honest observation.

First she makes a troll post about the zionists to see if she can pry a post out of ... ... I don't know who ... apparently wanting someone to post about the zionists.

Then she posts that she is not going to argue israel here and then goes on in the 2nd line of the same post to start discussing israel.

So which is it ... do you want us posting about the zionists and israel or not?

OR ... are you the only one who gets to post about israel and then tell us you're not going to "argue israel here"?

LMFAO at "Marilyn" ... really can't make it's mind up. Oh dear ... is it a girl or boy ... or what?

Message 2771 ...

"Marilyn" ... et al his / her other names ...The Jews did not kill anybody because they were religious...

But they do ... they kill Palestinians. Oh wait ... I forgot, the Zionists don't kill Palestinians because they're "Muslim" it's just because they're Palestinian and the Zionists want the Palestinian land.

Yeah ... that's it. Zionists don't kill people because the ones they're killing are religious ... it's because they want the land! (But anyone could have told you that ... pretty much the whole world could have told you that.)

... they were killed because they were religious..killed by atheists.

Atheists? That's odd ... the people who lived in the town I lived in mentioned something about the Catholics preaching about killing the jews at the Catholic church quite a bit. They also told me it's all part of the religious history between the jews and the Catholics. But you'd know about that ... right? That's nothing new to you ... right?

I thought you were not going to "argue israel in here". You apparently changed your mind?

oh Vlad, I just meant that as kids, my friends in school and I only had the pen to pass around to each other to show off. The postcards would have been as much fun and easy to hide from teachers. Of course, you try to mention any of this to a younger generation these days in between their glances at the cellphone, and all you get a blank stare in return. I appreciate the video link (public broadcasting over here introduced me to the Two Ronnies, along with Fawlty Towers and of course Monty Python and Benny Hill). The word play in those skits seems to be more intelligent than today's humor, where its F-bombs and embarrassing situations where the buffoon (or the interviewer on Daily Show) makes a fool out of themselves, leaving everyone else uncomfortable.

As far as going to war on Muslims, Chump finally freed the military to drop the MOAB (mother of all bombs), and what did we get for our money?

"The long war in Afghanistan continues to set records for civilian casualties, the United Nations mission in the country said on Monday, even as the violence is expected to intensify in the coming months with no hope of peace talks anytime soon."