take my example using the family member. now take another family member and put them on the otherside of the one with their back turned. and tell me
your willing to pull a trigger on a hand you can't see with one of your family members opposite you and take a chance of hitting them when your not
exactly sure what the guy with the turned back is doing?

that is my point exactly. why would an officer take a shot like that when his fellow officers are in crossfire when your in the blind and behind a
trigger? you don't take a shot like that except if you panic.

that's facing. totally different analogy and calls for a different set of actions. If thats the case, the guys in front would of been the ones doing
the shooting but they weren't, it was the guy/guys in back.

originally posted by: bandersnatch
The mess just gets stinkier.....
The killer cops had orders to rub Fincum out because he was the soul of the protest and possible future trouble...

That's pretty much what I think. But I think only a couple of the FBI agents knew that was the ultimate plan -- maybe all of them. But I don't think
any of the state police were in on it. I think that was totally FBI, and they totally setup the state police to take the fall. They couldn't afford
to let a Bundy become a martyr for the cause, but they had to make an example of someone. (I should say, I don't trust Ammon and I think he may have
been blackmailed into working with the FBI on this, but that might be all the more reason to make him the example... dead mean don't talk). But
Finicum was becoming a problem, so he became the target. Everything about that confrontation was designed to put Finicum into a no-win situation and
"justify" his killing. They probably also expected return fire from the vehicles to "justify" their barrage of gunfire on the occupants in the
vehicle -- not knowing or expecting the womenfolk to be in there.

But here's the thing... We're talking about elite snipers. The best of the best. And they miss? Or did they intend to miss? I'm afraid the only
reason they shot was to to spark the tinder -- from both the vehicle and the state police. Then the FBI walks away with clean hands -- Not us!

Something to note, the Autopsy breaks down everything about Lavoy's body, what Lavoy was wearing, what he had in his pockets, what he looked like,
blemishes, bruises on the toes etc... any oddities what so ever...even describes the mans genitalia but THERE IS NO MENTION OF A HOLSTER, or a weapon
not even a pocket knife! After reading this, I'm firm in the belief he had no weapon for them to "fear for their lives". Which is why we got a
aerial view with no audio.

After the first "traffic stop" where they had to be yelling out the window just to figure out what the hell was going on and who was even trying to
stop them... You can see the occupants of the car starting to fear for their lives as they were outright insistent to speak to the Sheriff, someone
they trusted. If you were in a traffic stop and nobody told you why you were stopped or what was going on and you had countless heavily armed
officers around your car yelling at you with guns drawn would you be in fear? Who was causing the fear here really? The truck of people wanting to
to talk to a sheriff or, the FBI, and other officers yelling and inciting fear with how they were engaging them.

If you face a guy who might have a gun and you see him reach for something you can't see, would you just stand there waiting?

Gun safety 101, when shooting at a target you dont pull the trigger when your line of fire isnt clear.

I vaguely remember 3 cops were facing the guy... if they thought he was pulling a gun why didnt they fire (if all the shots were in his back) Also why
run up behind him putting yourself in the line of fire? I am USAF and I know thats stupid... especially a guy you think may be dangerous.

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