teenytinycornteeth:Swanji: teenytinycornteeth: DROxINxTHExWIND: Theaetetus: DROxINxTHExWIND: You know, I think I like this guy. At least he's not the type of pussy to make racist comments anonymously and then backtrack when he gets called on it.

As opposed to making sexist comments anonymously?

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Yeah, there's no way that negatively referring to a human being as a piece of female anatomy, intimating that to be such a piece of anatomy is to be weak or inadequate could be considered sexist!

Oh for fark's sake. "Pussy" in that context has nothing to do with the female anatomy. That may be its origin, but in today's vernacular, it no longer refers to a vagina. Stop your whining.

Listen, I don't give a rat's ass if he uses the term or not. But the fact that he posted a picture of "I don't think that word means what you think it means" implies that there was no wa that word could be construed as such. When quite obviously it could since that's how the word began its life as an insult.

I don't give a shiat about it...but I'm going to go back and forth about it because i thought i had caught him in a contradiction, but now since you say its not a contradiction I don't care anymore...but here's how its a contradiction."

So I take it you agree with Paul that the Civil Right's act is unfair and tyranny, and that discrimination based on race or gender should be allowed by businesses, yes?

You're not upset about discrimination based on race or gender, as long as the right people (in your opinion) are discriminated against.

Yeah - it's fine for a public accomodation to discriminate - if it is on a reasonable basis. Drunk? No shoes/shirt? Hiostory of starting fights in the establishment? Fine - discriminate.Don't like someone's skin tone? Who they sleep with? their physical handicaps? Tough titty.It's a matter of reasonable and unreasonable, legal and illegal.

Swanji:LarryDan43: Swanji: Who cares if this guy is a racist asshole? Why would people want to eat at his restaurant if he's racist, anyway? Seems like people are missing the point. If you force this guy to allow everyone into his business, do you think he'll suddenly not be racist? Will unicorns and butterflies start flying out of his ass? The best way to hurt this guy is don't patronize his business in the first place.

Why would you want to drink at the whites only fountain? Its the same water supply!

This is a far, far cry from segregated water fountains, but go ahead and hyperbole it up there, tiger.

Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. "Who cares (because we're not actually in that area)" and "There are bigger fish to fry" is turning a blind eye to that injustice, letting it continue wherever it is.

Swanji:teenytinycornteeth: DROxINxTHExWIND: Theaetetus: DROxINxTHExWIND: You know, I think I like this guy. At least he's not the type of pussy to make racist comments anonymously and then backtrack when he gets called on it.

As opposed to making sexist comments anonymously?

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Yeah, there's no way that negatively referring to a human being as a piece of female anatomy, intimating that to be such a piece of anatomy is to be weak or inadequate could be considered sexist!

Oh for fark's sake. "Pussy" in that context has nothing to do with the female anatomy. That may be its origin, but in today's vernacular, it no longer refers to a vagina. Stop your whining.

teenytinycornteeth:Swanji: teenytinycornteeth: DROxINxTHExWIND: Theaetetus: DROxINxTHExWIND: You know, I think I like this guy. At least he's not the type of pussy to make racist comments anonymously and then backtrack when he gets called on it.

As opposed to making sexist comments anonymously?

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Yeah, there's no way that negatively referring to a human being as a piece of female anatomy, intimating that to be such a piece of anatomy is to be weak or inadequate could be considered sexist!

Oh for fark's sake. "Pussy" in that context has nothing to do with the female anatomy. That may be its origin, but in today's vernacular, it no longer refers to a vagina. Stop your whining.

Listen, I don't give a rat's ass if he uses the term or not. But the fact that he posted a picture of "I don't think that word means what you think it means" implies that there was no way that word could be construed as such. When quite obviously it could since that's how the word began its life as an insult.

The point of the picture was that "pussy" in the context used doesn't mean that any more, and therefore there is no way it could be construed as such. So no it can't obviously, because it doesn't.

Swanji:LarryDan43: Swanji: Who cares if this guy is a racist asshole? Why would people want to eat at his restaurant if he's racist, anyway? Seems like people are missing the point. If you force this guy to allow everyone into his business, do you think he'll suddenly not be racist? Will unicorns and butterflies start flying out of his ass? The best way to hurt this guy is don't patronize his business in the first place.

Why would you want to drink at the whites only fountain? Its the same water supply!

This is a far, far cry from segregated water fountains, but go ahead and hyperbole it up there, tiger.

It's exactly like segregated water fountains, bathrooms, pools and restaurants from the pre-civil rights south. How is it not?

Baloo Uriza:No-name establishment in one of the southern plains most progressive cities outs itself on regional television as a front for hate. Knowing the differences between Portland and OKC in terms of diversity and acceptance, I'm thinking this place will close faster than that bakery in Gresham that wouldn't make a wedding cake for a same-sex couple.

Congratulations, guy, hope you saved for retirement. Good luck with the ADA lawsuit.

Best place I've ever eaten! Gary served me a huge plate of steak before asking me to come to the back and check out his other "meats". I'll definitely be going back for the "Closet Case Cake" and the famous "Obama Fries". Oh, and don't be fooled by the articles saying he discriminates. Just give him a wink or flash some chest hair and watch that silver fox jump into a leotard and lipstick faster than you can say "John Wayne".

Sales at the boycotted stores dropped by a third, leading the stores' owners to abandon their segregation policies. Black employees of Greensboro's Woolworth store were the first to be served at the store's lunch counter. This event occurred on Monday, July 25, 1960. The entire Woolworth was desegregated, serving blacks and whites alike, although Woolworth lunch counters in other Tennessee cities, such as Jackson, continued to be segregated until around 1965, despite many protests.

It took legislation to finally end segregation. There's a reason the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed, and it shows a startling ignorance of American history to think that discrimination in businesses will correct itself.

neversubmit:Boise City, Oklahoma was the only city in the United States to be bombed in WWII. On Monday night, July 5, 1943, at 12:30 a.m., a B-17 Bomber based at Dalhart Army Air Base, Texas, dropped six practice bombs on the sleeping town, mistaking the city lights as target lights.

Agatha Crispy:Swanji: teenytinycornteeth: DROxINxTHExWIND: Theaetetus: DROxINxTHExWIND: You know, I think I like this guy. At least he's not the type of pussy to make racist comments anonymously and then backtrack when he gets called on it.

As opposed to making sexist comments anonymously?

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Yeah, there's no way that negatively referring to a human being as a piece of female anatomy, intimating that to be such a piece of anatomy is to be weak or inadequate could be considered sexist!

Oh for fark's sake. "Pussy" in that context has nothing to do with the female anatomy. That may be its origin, but in today's vernacular, it no longer refers to a vagina. Stop your whining.

While we continue to rail the owner of the restaurant let's not lose sight of the fact that he's successfully been in business for 44 years using the same business model. Wouldn't that mean that some portion, if not the majority, of his customers are of like minds? He alone is not the problem.

So what would he say if a vet missing a limb showed up at his place, they are cripple after all. What an asshat, the one good thing is at least he is honest about his ignorance and people can avoid him.

sendtodave:jso2897: Magnanimous_J: The lesson from all of this is: You can be the most hateful person on the planet, just make sure you hate the right people.

The "right people" being pretty much limited to people who are evil, and do evil things.There is no point in pretending that hating evil, harmful people is analogous to hating people because of the color of their skin, or their handicapped status. I think it's odd, and suspicious, that someone would attempt to pretend that.

"Evil..?"

Seriously?

Well, I guess if you are gonna be moralistic, you shouldn't half ass it. I'm just not sure you are qualified to judge "good" or "evil" any more than that racist is.

Unless you think you are more advanced than he is.

That good ole American liberal hubris. The rest of the world just needs to catch up to your way of thinking.

What are you even talking about? Nobody is discriminating against this guy, and nobody is going to. Somebody may sue him, or boycott him, or publicly humiliate him - but that's not discrimination. I know you are trying to make some sort of stretched argumant from equivalence - but it just isn't there. And name-calling and blathering about "liberals" just makes you look stupid. If you can't really argue an issue, you won't fool anyone by pretending to.

sovietski:Not all Okies are arseholes, I swear. Sadly, there are people here who will applaud him and he may very well see an increase in business. Fark, if she could get away with it, the Governor might show up.

Well, after the last couple years, she's on borrowed time politically from both sides anyway.

jso2897:sendtodave: jso2897: Magnanimous_J: The lesson from all of this is: You can be the most hateful person on the planet, just make sure you hate the right people.

The "right people" being pretty much limited to people who are evil, and do evil things.There is no point in pretending that hating evil, harmful people is analogous to hating people because of the color of their skin, or their handicapped status. I think it's odd, and suspicious, that someone would attempt to pretend that.

"Evil..?"

Seriously?

Well, I guess if you are gonna be moralistic, you shouldn't half ass it. I'm just not sure you are qualified to judge "good" or "evil" any more than that racist is.

Unless you think you are more advanced than he is.

That good ole American liberal hubris. The rest of the world just needs to catch up to your way of thinking.

What are you even talking about? Nobody is discriminating against this guy, and nobody is going to. Somebody may sue him, or boycott him, or publicly humiliate him - but that's not discrimination. I know you are trying to make some sort of stretched argumant from equivalence - but it just isn't there. And name-calling and blathering about "liberals" just makes you look stupid. If you can't really argue an issue, you won't fool anyone by pretending to.

Bloody William:That. That is why. And where was that? In the small fish city of Greensboro, North Carolina.

And now no one anywhere excludes anyone from their establishment any more....except this guy in Enid Oklahoma. He's the last one and he needs to be made an example of right?

What you people fail to grasp is that I don't advocate his beliefs but I do advocate his freedom to have them. He's not worth my time, effort or money. Or yours but you're more than willing to spend all 3 on him.

El_Perro:Virtuoso80: Meh, if a restaurant want's to deliberately limit it's customer base, I say let them. Maybe we need laws for special circumstances (Ex. You have to let someone use your phone in case of an emergency), but otherwise I'm OK with racist business owners running racist businesses, just don't expect me to use their services.

The problem with that is that, once you open the door to discrimination in public accomodations, there is a risk of whole areas being off-limits to whatever class is being discriminated against. The Civil Rights Act didn't happen in a vacuum.

But I've been reassured for quite a while by FARK Libertarians that if a place was run in a racist manner, that the invisible hand would shut it down 'cause of reasons.So we don't need accommodation and anti-discrimination laws.

jso2897:sendtodave: jso2897: Magnanimous_J: The lesson from all of this is: You can be the most hateful person on the planet, just make sure you hate the right people.

The "right people" being pretty much limited to people who are evil, and do evil things.There is no point in pretending that hating evil, harmful people is analogous to hating people because of the color of their skin, or their handicapped status. I think it's odd, and suspicious, that someone would attempt to pretend that.

"Evil..?"

Seriously?

Well, I guess if you are gonna be moralistic, you shouldn't half ass it. I'm just not sure you are qualified to judge "good" or "evil" any more than that racist is.

Unless you think you are more advanced than he is.

That good ole American liberal hubris. The rest of the world just needs to catch up to your way of thinking.

What are you even talking about? Nobody is discriminating against this guy, and nobody is going to. Somebody may sue him, or boycott him, or publicly humiliate him - but that's not discrimination. I know you are trying to make some sort of stretched argumant from equivalence - but it just isn't there. And name-calling and blathering about "liberals" just makes you look stupid. If you can't really argue an issue, you won't fool anyone by pretending to.

There are many people who honestly believe that not tolerating their discrimination means they're being discriminated against

Example: Every single religious person who tries to stop gay marriage. By telling them to shut up and stop discriminating, they believe they're being discriminated against.

DROxINxTHExWIND:Swanji: Who cares if this guy is a racist asshole? Why would people want to eat at his restaurant if he's racist, anyway? Seems like people are missing the point. If you force this guy to allow everyone into his business, do you think he'll suddenly not be racist? Will unicorns and butterflies start flying out of his ass? The best way to hurt this guy is don't patronize his business in the first place.

You're the one who is missing the point, sir. Many people have made sacrifices so that all people, no matter their race, would be treated equitably in establishments that serve the public. Its not that we all want to eat at this shiathole. The problem comes when Red Lobster or Ruth Chris decides that they should also be able to refuse service to people based on race or sexual orientation or when a private bus company decides that the seats in the front are now for whites only, again. The deal is, you get to use our public roads, fire department, and infrastructure so shut up about who you don't want to serve.

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No matter how hard you try you can not legislate the racism out of ignorant people.Privately owned businesses should most definitely get to choose who their clientele is. If racist assholes want to be racist assholes let them. Why the fark would someone want to eat at a restaurant owned by someone that hates them and is being forced to serve them?It's not an all or nothing deal either, like some in this thread make it out to be.Public places, and transportation and other places like that should serve anyone and everyone, including 100% handicap access.The most the law should be involved is if the place is unsafe, making people sick, or things along those lines.

farm machine:While we continue to rail the owner of the restaurant let's not lose sight of the fact that he's successfully been in business for 44 years using the same business model. Wouldn't that mean that some portion, if not the majority, of his customers are of like minds? He alone is not the problem.

Well, I'm not going to go down there with the ACLU and sue him* - although I'd love to point and laugh when somebody does. Who knows - now that he is in the eye of the media, anything can happen.

coeyagi:I am thinking the whole state needs to be bombed. 72 hours notice, you have to score a triple digit IQ to leave the state and be spared.

Oh, thanks. Just what we want. First y'all show up from Europe and can't be bothered to pick up the language and culture, then you uproot us from our homes in the Appalachians and the south and hand that over to a bunch of hillbillies and hicks, then you move us to Indian Territory and promise us it's ours forever, then you decide you're only kidding about that and open it to European settlement anyway without asking again, and now you want to bomb us. Thanks for thinking this one through, brainiac.

Lamberts Ho Man:Swanji: LarryDan43: Swanji: Who cares if this guy is a racist asshole? Why would people want to eat at his restaurant if he's racist, anyway? Seems like people are missing the point. If you force this guy to allow everyone into his business, do you think he'll suddenly not be racist? Will unicorns and butterflies start flying out of his ass? The best way to hurt this guy is don't patronize his business in the first place.

Why would you want to drink at the whites only fountain? Its the same water supply!

This is a far, far cry from segregated water fountains, but go ahead and hyperbole it up there, tiger.

It's exactly like segregated water fountains, bathrooms, pools and restaurants from the pre-civil rights south. How is it not?

It's not, because this is one farking restaurant. There are no segregated water fountains, bathrooms, or pools. In fact, there aren't even any segregated restaurants, just this one guy being a piece of shiat. So no, nowhere even close. Put a different way, actual segregation was EVERYWHERE. Every business and government service in every city, town, and hamlet was segregated. Again, this is one asshole. One restaurant, not segregation. So, come up with a more pertinent argument.

Baloo Uriza:412's the fastest route to Denver from Tulsa, and that goes right through Enid.

Take 35 through Wichita, always seems faster.

From the yelp reviews: Appalling, bigoted, discriminatory behavior is regularly displayed at this establishment. The owner, Gary James, refuses to serve wheelchair bound persons, black people, Hispanics, mixed race couples, gay people, people who wear hats, people who ask for Budweiser, liberals, men with longish hair, people wearing clothes he doesn't approve of, people with facial piercings, on and on, ad nauseum.

Coors like typing detected. I guarantee they don't have craft beer on tap.

jso2897:Magnanimous_J: The lesson from all of this is: You can be the most hateful person on the planet, just make sure you hate the right people.

The "right people" being pretty much limited to people who are evil, and do evil things.There is no point in pretending that hating evil, harmful people is analogous to hating people because of the color of their skin, or their handicapped status. I think it's odd, and suspicious, that someone would attempt to pretend that.

Don't get me wrong, I think this guys is a capital asshole. But don't fool yourself into thinking that "evil" is anything more than a relative cultural construct. Civilizations have had some common ideas of what makes evil, but that doesn't make it universal, or based in anything other than everyone's mutual agreement.

50 years ago (and some places today, apparently) being gay or a socialist was seen as deliberately undermining society. It was legitimately "evil" to people then, so by your definition, it would be justified to actively hate them.

A couple thousand years ago, if you were in an army and conquered a town, you helping yourself to a couple women there would be seen as no more evil than taking a jolly rancher out of the big candy bowl at the doctor's office. Today, it's a heinous war crime.

My point being, think the way you think and do what you think is right, but it's all a matter of point of view. You probably don't think abortion is murder (and neither do I), but the red-faced people shrieking their lungs out at girls going into the clinic are just as justified in their hate as you are, by your own definition.

Mattyb710:DROxINxTHExWIND: Swanji: Who cares if this guy is a racist asshole? Why would people want to eat at his restaurant if he's racist, anyway? Seems like people are missing the point. If you force this guy to allow everyone into his business, do you think he'll suddenly not be racist? Will unicorns and butterflies start flying out of his ass? The best way to hurt this guy is don't patronize his business in the first place.

You're the one who is missing the point, sir. Many people have made sacrifices so that all people, no matter their race, would be treated equitably in establishments that serve the public. Its not that we all want to eat at this shiathole. The problem comes when Red Lobster or Ruth Chris decides that they should also be able to refuse service to people based on race or sexual orientation or when a private bus company decides that the seats in the front are now for whites only, again. The deal is, you get to use our public roads, fire department, and infrastructure so shut up about who you don't want to serve.

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No matter how hard you try you can not legislate the racism out of ignorant people.Privately owned businesses should most definitely get to choose who their clientele is. If racist assholes want to be racist assholes let them. Why the fark would someone want to eat at a restaurant owned by someone that hates them and is being forced to serve them?It's not an all or nothing deal either, like some in this thread make it out to be.Public places, and transportation and other places like that should serve anyone and everyone, including 100% handicap access.The most the law should be involved is if the place is unsafe, making people sick, or things along those lines.

Mattyb710:Public places, and transportation and other places like that should serve anyone and everyone, including 100% handicap access.

Ummm, his restaurant IS a public place.

He could probably fix it if he turned it into a private club, but right now it's open to the public, it's a public place. You can't say "Open to the white public with jobs". It's either public or private.

Baloo Uriza:coeyagi: I am thinking the whole state needs to be bombed. 72 hours notice, you have to score a triple digit IQ to leave the state and be spared.

Oh, thanks. Just what we want. First y'all show up from Europe and can't be bothered to pick up the language and culture, then you uproot us from our homes in the Appalachians and the south and hand that over to a bunch of hillbillies and hicks, then you move us to Indian Territory and promise us it's ours forever, then you decide you're only kidding about that and open it to European settlement anyway without asking again, and now you want to bomb us. Thanks for thinking this one through, brainiac.

If you thought I was serious, you already failed the IQ test and will be killed. Or since I wasn't serious, will you? Think hard, genius.

This restaurant is not just "outside Oklahoma City," as TFA claims. It's in Enid, Oklahoma, which is about 100 miles northwest of OKC. It's like some saying that a restaurant in Philadelphia is just outside of NYC.

Baloo Uriza:neversubmit: Boise City, Oklahoma was the only city in the United States to be bombed in WWII. On Monday night, July 5, 1943, at 12:30 a.m., a B-17 Bomber based at Dalhart Army Air Base, Texas, dropped six practice bombs on the sleeping town, mistaking the city lights as target lights.

You were exploring opportunities to ruin his business. Somehow you've determined if there's a buck in it it's ok.

What you people fail to grasp is that I don't advocate his beliefs but I do advocate his freedom to have them.

He's free to believe that, he's not free to run his business in that way. The reasons why are obvious to people that don't fetishize some bizarre notion of freedom that actually works against free people. You lost that battle decades ago.

He's not worth my time, effort or money. Or yours but you're more than willing to spend all 3 on him.

You're putting up time and effort defending-but-no-I'm-totally-not-defending him.