Why, are milsimers poor? There's just as many folks in milsim that can drop $1300 on a marker as there are speedballers that can do the same... Not to say that the number is a huge demographic. The difference now is the old stand-by milsim (and especially mag fed) manufacturers have real competition. No longer will a truly crappy engine, drive train or feed system in an expensive shell cut it. They now have to update performance as well as the aesthetic. It's a good thing.

Semi auto is waaayy better, The best part about FS is one balling people from +100 Ft away

Second best part is one balling one guy in a group of 5 then watching everyone shit themselves while trying to figure out where the shot came from , then finishing them off one by one like a scene in a sniper movie ...

Why, are milsimers poor? There's just as many folks in milsim that can drop $1300 on a marker as there are speedballers that can do the same... Not to say that the number is a huge demographic. The difference now is the old stand-by milsim (and especially mag fed) manufacturers have real competition. No longer will a truly crappy engine, drive train or feed system in an expensive shell cut it. They now have to update performance as well as the aesthetic. It's a good thing.

I think theres a bigger market in spaceguns, rather than milsim. It seems like milsim is something people often are super into for their first few months/years, then grow out of it. Typically newer players are milsimers, the budget for them wont be anywhere near what Dye will want for this.

Totally agree with the last point though, good that it isn't just another 98 Clone with crap stuck on it.

Looks like there's a second type of stock we haven't heard about. Do you think it's an aftermarket upgrade, or another option? Looks like it opens up tank space, but gets rid of what looks like tools storage in the top one.

I for one am very excited about this, and may end up picking one up if it doesn't turn out to be total crap. I like the look of the cut down version in that second photo, interesting look to go with. I'll probably end up running my Z2 on top for normal paintballing and close-medium range firefights, and then picking up a mag or two of first strikes that I can implement when necessary. Full Auto Mag Fed that ALSO shoots first strikes? That's like combining the abilities of the Paradigm Pro's FS platform, and the rumored Milsig 17's full auto goodness. My only concern is whether this will cause an influx of fair weather fans for mag-fed, or is it finally being seen as a legitimate way to play paintball?

Most milsimmers seem blissfully ignorant of how badly their markers chop and feed and haven't realised what a difference eyes would make. Not to mention that they're accustomed to substandard performance and absurdly difficult maintenance even compared to a real gun. They are being soundly ripped off and don't even realise it. Along with that silly idea that electros are less reliable or that batteries constantly run out at the worst times. Silly and untrue.

Anyways, I love that companies like Dye are taking the milsim and scenario side of paintball seriously. Loving that they've released a magfed marker with eyes and 3shot burst. Loving that they're supporting FS.

Not super convinced overall, however. For some reason they've decided not to do tank-in-stock or even some way to make the 13ci look less gumby, and the 10+10 mags mean this will be disadvantaged in magfed only games vs players with proper 20rnd mags. Well... until the other players jam up. For those two reasons I'm not sold. Release a proper 20rnd at a decent price (even if the 20 only takes round paint) and a better tank/stock system (even if it needs a connection to the ASA) and I'm sold at $1500 because this would be the best magfed, milsim and scenario marker, period.

Probably since a DM off a 13cu would get a little less than 2 pods, it would be useless for the guys who wanted to use it with a loader since they'd either have to run it without a stock and a stupid looking gun with the tank right out the back, or Dye would have to work on a dual ASA system that sealed off the other when one of them was used. If it was magfed only then it would be worth it then.

This gun looks really good, but for the price it costs, it better come with all the scope's ans stuff, not as aftermarket parts that you can buy to deck it out. But it looks awesome as dye has always done.

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