I only secured a few quotes from that game for my personal notebook. All of them come from the two guys' comedy routine at school, so there's a good chance most of the credit goes to the translators. Kudos if you can remember where this one's from:

"...but then, Eiichi's prayer to the goddess of convenient literary devices was answered a second time..."

Oh, and who's Houzuki, you ask? Well...! He's only the biggest reason why you should play Sharin no Kuni next.

i have only started playing VNs again after some time (screw macs) and only remember a few good ones i have played from the top of my head.... I only first started VNs for the H-senes but soon learnt there was more to them than that.... i am also not an expert on them

Muv Luv series: first its a not so unique slice of life (still good) then it turns into a awesome game with mechas and hot female pilots....i had a lot of fun with it.... and WHY did one of my fav characters only have a bad end

Demonbane: well this did hurt my head a bit with all the information being forced fed to you near the end of it, screw you Lovecraft.... but it has a 1000 year old loli so it's all ok but i loved this

katawa shoujo: i was sketchy of this one at first because i only had the information from when they first started releasing info about it.... but after playing it i loved it.... and i cried so much playing it

Monster girl quest: i did the same thing as Raiden in this

Koihime Musou: after playing this i realised i am a pervert and i can not deny it any more.... but i had fun with the strategy games in it and the story was good as well, and i liked Shion the most... this is probably one of my favs (my avatar is the MC)

Kira (star) Kira: this was pretty good and i think it was like the 5th VN i ever played... only remember the cross dressing MC and the band..... and the girls as well

and i also played kira*kira on my ipod while i was bored

i have played a lot more but i can not access my old computer to get them and i will forever forget them

....i may have played ever 17....just maybe

and i did play some of Kara no Shoujo as was suggested by Sana.....god it was gruesomely good with no actual good ending.... and the cannibalism

i have also played all of Keys works that are in english.....i cry EVERY time....and screw Tomoyo after the good ending is still sad

Edited by itano123, 16 December 2012 - 08:54 AM.

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credit goes to Raijuu for combining a fav char with a fav drink

"all of itano's characters have at least one mental disorder. Even if it's not literally a mental disorder; itano takes it to extremes which practically functions as a mental disorder."

"And no offense but if Wolverine is the voice of reason AGAINST violence... I would take that VERY seriously." - Ironman(Avengers issue 4)

"These units are part of a Hive Mind. If we could keep one of them intact - BEN!!"Sorry, stretcho. My fists only got one setting: CLOBBERIN'!" - Mr. Fantastic and The Thing about giant octopus robots(Amazing Spider-Man issue 648)

"Listen you probably just saved me from having "killed by tentacles in a kiddie pool" carved onto my tombstone. Let me give you some advice. There is an astonishing amount of powerful people in this world, and a lot of them are flat-out crazy. So... Trust me... you will ALWAYS be in over your head. Always. Unless you're Thor." - Spider-Man giving Spider-Girl advice(Amazing Spider-Man 648)

"Girls! Can we not talk about my love life while I'm beating up gang bangers? Please?!" - Spider-Man to Black Cat and Norah Winter(Amazing Spider-Man 649)

"War Machine: Ugh.. Wh-where the hell... Braddock: Relax, James. We're on Hala. In prison. Valkyrie: Your injuries are severe and you must not dislodge McCoy's sutures.War Machine: W-where's my war machine armor? Valkyrie: In the wreckage of the quintjet War Machine: Wrecked quintjet, trapped in prison, and you lost my armor? Braddock: And they plan to execute us. Soon. And The Phoenix is headed here. War Machine: Wow. I mean.... WOW. I really thought a suicide mission to fight the damned Phoenix Force was as bad as things could get. You all somehow managed to make things worse." - Secret Avengers 27

"Vision: While I'm confident I can counter this strange broadcast, it will only be in a limited area around me. Thor: Bah. Perhaps Mjolnir is the better solution. Beast: *Sigh* Yes, go beat the mind control out of the Kree population, Thor." - Secret Avengers 27

"Blind Al: Why do you constantly call me when you can't find something? Do you simply enjoy making fun of the disabled or--Deadpool: Because Al, blind people can see what normal people can't, duh. Geez... watch a kung fu movie.Blind Al: I can't. I'm blind." - Thunderbolts Vol. 2 Issue 10

"It starts every passage with "And so it came to pass", and goes on to read as if someone is trying to pretend they can be the King George edition and failing at actually grasping the writing of it.
Also, there's this amazing moment where it says that the people who rebelled against God were "cursed with dark skin".
Really?
You're not even going to try and hide it?" - Ganderath

"Relinquisher: The only reason I'm staying up is because of you.
Petite Fleur: Go to bed.
Relinquisher: No, because you want me to stay up.
Petite Fleur: Say the words. Say you want this. Nothing happens till I hear you say it.
Relinquisher: I want this." - Skype 2013

Jace: Let me get this straight. You came here to apologize to me?

Clary: Of course I did.

Jace: Clary, you saved my life.

Clary: I stabbed you. With a massive sword. You caught on fire. - City Of Lost Souls

"Shut up. I can do this. I'm a ******* Superhero. I didn't condemn myself to burning in Hell for the rest of eternity for nothing, you hear me?" Sistah Spooky - Empowered Volume 5

Ninjette: So, how exactly do I end up dying?

Demongoat: I will not tell you that. But I will tell you this: as you would see it now and as you will see it, at the moment of your death, you will die well, Kozue.

Ninjette: Huh. Well, that's nice.

Demongoat: But long after you are dead, and this city is ashes and your species is extinct and this planet is a graveyard, and every star in its sky has gone dark, and all the universe beyond is lifeless and still I will carry your memory with me, perfect in every detail, into the next universe. - Empowered Volume 7

"Gentlemen, they say when you die you can't take it with you. Which begs the question: Exactly what am I gonna do with all these bullets?" - The Punisher (Secret Wars #1)

"Okay, so I'm not a good pickpocket, but when you think about it, bad guys are good pickpockets, so it's a win." - Gwen Stacy(Spider-Verse Vol 2 #1)

Sanctuary: Not Kara, you're only delaying the inevitable. Stop resisting and I'll make your demise easy and painless. Well, painless is a relative term. I can at least promise that I won't take any pleasure in your screams of agony. I'm not rude.

Supergirl: Trying to kill me over a miscalculation isn't rude?

Sanctuary: As these neural-scions will attest, I am the pinnacle of Kryptonian technology. I do not make miscalculations.

Supergirl: You're making one right now.

Sanctuary: Oh? And what is that?

Supergirl: *Punching neural-scion* That I'll ever go down without a fight.

Sanctuary: You mean the 99.87% probability that you'd try punching your way to a resolution? Yes, that's why I filled the neural-scions with a bonding agent. No offense, but you're really not much of a thinker.

...is what I'd like to say, but I'm not sure myself. I mean, is it a Visual Novel because there's a plot...? And if it isn't, does that make it a Gal Game? There is not a whole lot of dating on that one, really. And even if there was, aren't gal games still a subcategory from visual novels? It's on the database, so... does that make it a visual novel?

And yeah... I... wouldn't recommend anyone to play a VN or read a light novel when there's already a proper adaptation for it. But that is not to say that there have not been terrible... terrible crimes against the source material in the world. I'm sure TYPE MOON fans can tell you all about that.

Oh yes, yes I can XD I generally read the VNs for that simple reason alone, I don't want to think something is as bad as the FSN anime was when it's actually really good in the VN form, only thing I've found better in the anime form as opposed to VN so far has to be Steins; Gate, oh and I'd say that if Blazblue counts as a visual novel then there's no way that Katawa Shoujo doesn't. Oh and Athos is that quote from the Yuki scene? (like when she joins school) sorry though, again I've already started Tsukihime so I'm going to play that before anything else unless I find it to be utterly terrible.

oh and itano, I'm pretty sure that you'd remember E17 if you'd played it (or at least all the way, the start can be forgetable I'll admit)

“I promised, remember? I said I would save you even if it meant fighting the entire world.” “Yes…you did.”

Othinus narrowed her eye as the boy held her in his arms. She looked happy. She looked truly happy.

“But you don’t have to worry. I was already saved from the moment you said that to me.”

Well, I finished all the routes of Sharin, and Man, I thought my Harem ending would this orgy/ero scene....

What's this disappointing picture thing I get...

Like, I am pretty disappointed

>_>

hm I am not a VN expert but I played soem of them (though I have to admit all of them were H-Games ^^'' Yeah I'm a little pervert inside)

From what you mentioned here and there I played:

Kara no Shoujo: without help I only get to the bad endings here -.-' I emntioned I'm not the expert VN player?

Monster quest: only game where I TRY to loose in monster fights xD

Sengoku Rance Omg such an awesome game I was rliterally addicted to it for several months and still have it installed on my external hard drive^^ Also the 2nd Rance game got a HD remake (has now graphics of Sengoku Rance) , maybe it's wortt taking a look^^ though it's more like a RPG than anythingelse (and has really few H-scenes compared to sengoku rance )

soemother I played that I didn't find you mentioning:

Chain: That was pretty cool, story-wise and it has animated H-scenes^^

Bible Black: Really great graphic and a lot of choices to do here, though could be a bit... disturbing at times...

Discipline: Same graphics as Bible Black and also a lot of choices (and also a lot of H-scenes)

Secretes Wives Club: Oh well what should I say, the whole story resolves around havign sex... I'm a pevert xD

Koihime Musou: Has some strategy battles in it (which you can skip in 2nd+ playthrough), so the story was not that interesting, at least to me. Thoug hagain a lot of unlockable scenes, where yo uneed several playthroughs to see them all

My very first VN was Snow Drop (or something like that, does there ring a bell?). It was quite nice and simple. lovey-dovey story with a few H-scenes^^

Nice to you to have joined us, but Srsly, I use walkthroughs for each of my games, even the freaking Hanabira ones >_>

I do have one question though, I've been trying to find Discipline's translated version of the first set

I mean Discpline LS, because that's the prequel right? D:

but I from what I can tell, there hasn't been a translation done for it.

Unless you can read Japanese D:

And its a good thing to know that there are tons of people who are enjoying this Monster Quest Eroge/Rape Fest......Cause now I'm feeling less and less guilty everyday playing it.

Its still extremely hard to reccomend to people though >_>

/stuck with repeatedly showing that picture of the Vampire loli.

I've gone over this, but whether I like an ending or not is just a matter of personal taste.

If I had to rank them, my least favorite kind of ending would be the No Ending. More specifically, the kind that purpousely leaves you hanging with tons of loose threads and absolutely no intention to make a sequel, specially the ones intended to promote a different medium ("read the book!").

After that there's the Bad Ending, which I don't hate, but I don't like either. Maybe some people enjoy feeling sad (don't ask me how that works), but I want SOME amount of satisfaction after going through such a long story.

Then there's the Good Ending, which is kind of tricky. I'm usually fine with those when there was never really much of a doubt the good guys are gonna win, so it's more about the build up and the grand finale rather than the actual outcome. I also like the ones where the protagonist was just that got damn clever, to the point that even I have to admit he deserves to win. Usually never happens, because most Good Endings are just so convenient that they feel like a cop out to me.

Finally there's my personal favorite, the Bitter Sweet ending. The protagonist puts in everything he's got, makes sacrifice after sacrifice, gives up on everything he holds dear, maybe even his life, but got dammit, he saves the girl. It's kind of like a good ending where you can clearly tell just how much he earned it. My favortie kind is the one where the story actually manages to convince you that all your efforts weren't in vain-- that even if things looks bleak, it's somehow gonna be ok.

If you really wanna know why I didn't like Muv Luv's ending,

Spoiler

it's because it kind of felt like a bad ending that was immediately followed by a perfect good ending just for the hell of it. To be honest, I completely forgot what happens after they blow up the alien core and the guy escapes as the only survivor. I dunno, I guess I just didn't feel like it was all worth it.

Oh and it's not that I'm a fan of how SHAFT works, but it's more about how they keep picking series that I like. Mostly lots and lots of dialogue and witty banter.

And no, I'm not gonna tell you Spam. I'm afraid you'll have to run into it yourself. It's in my top 15, that's all I'm gonna say.

Spoiler

Basically You find out that Sumika is the thing that's keeping Takeru in the Beta universe and then she dies so Takeru can go home. Yeah, I see what you mean because I usually hate these sort of endings but since it was so short it didn't really feel that bad. Plus it was a huge sigh of relief that something good happened to Takeru though all that crap he went through

The one thing that annoys me a lot though, is the fact that Takeru was so dense the whole way through that he didn't realize his whole harem and I felt bad for all the dead girls I also would have liked it if Yuuko saw that flashback of his (hurr)

But Yeah, I just wanted to know so thanks <3

You didn't love Gonzou, Sana? He was such a boss though. He was legitimately amazing. Spamamadorf's rant on him is pretty good but even that doesn't do justice to his character. He was basically the Houzuki of G Senjou no Maou.

I don't love him, maybe a bit more then average,,,,,slightly like? D:

I had like zilch feelings for Gonzou till the last arc. I don't know

But you can also blame Houzuki a bit for this

because the fact that I have this problem where I compare characters and if I like one less, I tend to like them even less.

What do you mean I have to run into it myself? XD I already played the entire thing (well except Shiratori's route but I really don't care all that much about her) so I've run into it I just don't know what it is

Spoiler

But from what you said about the endings you like I guess it'd be the scene in the interrogation room with Kyuosuke?

While I've got this spoiler working though I guess I can try and get those ranty feels out since Sana did ask and all XD:

Spoiler

So anyway we start this a little strangely if you think about the rest of the VN, all we start with is Tsubaki and Eichi hijinks which while I loved Eichi for his two faced hilarity... actually you know what I changed my mind, the begining is actually good at making you think it'll just be a romantic comedy type thing and makes the switches to the mob lifestyle later hit that much harder. We then see Haru (yay!) who is cool from the get-go with her party casting, asking to be called hero and generally disgusting MC beyond belief.

Then we got over to the gang stuff when MC gets home and he's ordering people left and right, so we know he's going to be pretty cool which turns out to be the way it goes, Ryuonusuke is a pretty cool guy throughout the VN if a little hard on people for me sometimes. We go back to the rom com stuff for a while and saw Ryunosuke as God for a while which was also a high point for me, anytime MC went GodMode was hilarious to me.

And then Gonzou happened.

Man did I like the way it started Gonzou off I gotta say, not sure what you didn't like about the guy Sana he was an all around boss, intro is him drinking next to a dying guy who only got cocky in front of him, and that theme music, then he tells MC to screw his daughter/MC's sister with a straight face, set up as the evil badass dad right away and I 'aint even mad because he exudes so much damn cool.

And then Maou, another of my favorite parts of this game is defs Maou, his intro just says it all, breaking the guy's finger to win the game was a great way to show just what kind of guy we were dealing with here, and just everyting Maou did, all his schemes, his plots everything was just amazing but I'm trying to keep this in some sort of order here so I'll wait on that. Haru insta-figuring out that MC and Eichi were the ones to steal the keys was pretty cool to me and then Haru's cute penguin scene, all of my "baww" XD and of course, the pinnacle of the "introduce the characters" arc was the Maou chase scene, ah how I love my magnificent bastard characters, just the planning so much ahead, screwing with Haru all day and not even showing yourself even then. Good times.

And then the Tsubaki arc, meh I dunno, it was cool for everyone involved except Tsubaki I'd say, I mean she's alright but I didn't like her too much, I mean in her route itself MC's going all beserk on Gonzou and managing to come out on top somehow was BOSS AS **** but beyond that I didn't like all the Tsubaki moments, so I'll gloss over that and just talk about the other bros XD.

Maou's toying with everyone was pretty sweet I gotta say, and I loved how the game already let you know by this point that Maou was actually the MC making things very interesting indeed for the chase scenes and what it would mean if Haru caught Maou, or how on earth he was managing to get alibi's for all this and participate in this despite simply being another part of Kyuosuke's mind. It also let you think ahead in the plot, how would the eventual showdown between Haru and Maou go down in Haru's route? Would they have to de-Maou Kyuosuke? I found all of this terribly interesting to think about as I was playing and it really enhanced the experience for me. Anyway Maou got the goods despite Haru doing really well herself and got away to boot, oh poor Haru xD. Oh right by the by, Haru's constant poor jokes really got me simply due to my complete understanding due to living in college without a job and the complete lack of oney that ensued, I always hear them, think "that could be me later" and laugh. Anyway so Haru and Kyuosuke team up to make a tag team against Maou and find Tsubaki's bro, this made me laugh with their terrible-awesome chemistry but also made me kind of sad when I noticed that they wouldn't be able to become an awesome team to take down Maou together if Kyuosuke really was Maou, I was suddenly unsure if I would have rathered Maou had been some other random guy or not, but decided to stick with the game just so I can see how they do it later. Anyway long story short Tsubaki angsts on her brother when they release him and I feel like giving her a smack and then she smacks her bro and I got the heck out of there (or at least the second time I did, I somewhat begrudgingly did her route the first time but as said the only good part of that route was Gonzou)

And we moved on to Kanon's route which was slightly better than Tsubaki's if not much, the two best characters in the game meet and Haru looks like she's totally cool with meeting a Yakuza boss like she does this every day or something, but apparenly she's playing dead, highlight of the route right here I have to say, I haven't laughed that hard in a while (it turned out to be an act but I don't even care) we see that Shiratori still exists since I'd totally forgotten about her by this point, and Kanon on the ice, eh she's sort of cool I'll give her that, but she's not measuring up to Haru! Bwahahaha! We meet Yuki who is also pretty damn awesome if I may say so myself, I mean I totally thought she was older than both MC and Haru but apparently not, Haru's reactions as usual are priceless. And we hear about a Mephistoles guy, and I perk up because now we can get a Haru Kyuosuke tag team going on here without the need for Maou to not be Kyuosuke, more awesome Maou and Gonzou hijinks ensue and I even end up liking the no faced mobster Horibe just for his awesome in-character voice and attitude, the flashback of Kyuosuke also just screams Gonzou as he totally kicks asses and takes names even on a tiny level such as a single house, he takes care to in fact XD. Mephistoles gets caught by Haru being awesome of course and interrogated by Yuki. Now this is where I really start to like Yuki because I can totally see where she's going with the trying to be his friend stuff and all the stuff that reminds me of the show "Lie to Me" again. She gets the info from him eventually (and probably got her pay from Haru and her sweater puppies later) and we go to get Maou, but he's not there he's busy bombing Gonzou, wait he's what!? I got really worried here because I absolutely loved the guy and didn't want to see him go off in such an early and uncool manner. Fortunately he's fine. And I end up loving him even more with his "If you want to kill somene you need to be prepared to die yourself" attitude and calling Maou a coward. So much GAR man I swear. (I did do Kanon's route too, but the only thing I have to say about it is that her mom's a huge eyesore to me, like I seriously disliked her as much or more than Kyuosuke did)

We go to the next chapter and who do I get but Haru scenes! (You can tell I was a happy camper through most of the game from this xD) I like the tracksuit myself, even if it is a little strange and I generally like more elegant looking things like Tsugumi's dress, I dunno though it's still cool. The whole New Year scene was pretty fun, I keep picking up on the lines that Haru's dropping for Kyuosuke to notice and like her and that makes me like her so much that I decide right then and there that I'm not even going to care about Shiratori's route and just go for Haru because she was just appealing to me so much.

Yuki then shows up at school suprising the crap out of me since I assumed she was like 20ish and in a job already myself from her suit. She's still fun to have around though. Shiratori and Yuki turn out to be sisters to everyone's suprise, but then I just kinda zone out again as I wait to see what Maou's awesome new plan is. It turns out to be to screw with the local kids, well then. I wait for Yuki without even thinking and assume that the police calling was a bad end. The whole situation that arose from that was pretty interesting, and so was the "Yuki is actually evil" reveal, all awesome stuff I'd say. She apparenly knew Maou the whole time, this isn't even registering for me until much later because I'm playing this section at like 3 AM at this point. Nothing really stood out for me too much in the whole second hostage situation for me, it was all solid and such but by this point I'd read that I'd missed the Shiratori section and assumed this was a bad end so I was mostly waiting for Yuki and Shiratori to die before Haru went and BSODed on them. Then suddenly Gonzou, I mean seriously he literally seems to BURST into the scene whenever he shows up, he just comes and turns everything to hell for everyone, a touching scene comes up but I manage to hold on due to nto really caring for Shiratori that much even if I care about Yuki some, MC goes full on BOSS again like in the Tsubaki end and I'm now fully convinced that I'm in a bad end (this is important because it made my entire experience that much darker with me expecting death at every turn)

Letter to son, further conviced this is a bad end with this as last scene, it's interesting but I'm mostly itching to see what happened to MC for goodness sakes, I mean he went against Gonzou so he's ****ed but how? Then we get Haru again! But... she's getting flat out rejected by Kyuosuke, and I'm nearly in tears here as I assume the worst for our heroine in this bad end, nothing she does is working and I feel my OTP breaking around me. MC goes more boss-type moments with his escaping death with it looking him in the face, but nothing tops what is one of the best damn scenes in the game, Gonzou hearing Maou/MC is going to kill him, coming to the area and USING HIMSELF AS BAIT he gives ZERO ****S at what is going to happen to him and screams out calling out Maou for everything he's doing his cowardice and everything not even a sniper bullet through the lungs can make him stop ranting and roaring at him, heck he doesn't even flinch. Boss. Through and through. We then get Haru flashbacks and I'm smiling at all the little cute things like noticing that since MC said he likes long hair she has the longest hair, or that she called herself hero to Kyuosuke to try and get him to remember who she was. All these little things are getting to me and then I get sad as I realize that this is exactly where the bad end is going to end, with Haru dead fighting the MC, I start getting worried, the fight is awesome, not on FSN level fighting but hey. I swear though the whole scene here after with Haru dying got me so bad I was having trouble reading through, until I noticed that apparently MC isn't in fact Maou, and the shock combined with the feels makes me have to stop playing for a sec as I figure out just wtf is going on.

I then get sucked into the sheer awesome that is Kyuosuke and his bro fighting (if only with words mostly) and saving Haru, the only H scene I liked in the game thanks to Haru hilarity and the next day (where I finally figured maybe it wasn't a bad end after all) more Yuki fun as she asks the obvious question of how was it to my extreme amusement and MC's ability to stop her from going to jail thanks to a debt somehow. We then get more Haru scenes with MC and I'm over the moon, like seriously I was just grinning through most of Haru's route with how cute she was acting. We see why Haru hates Maou and I start to feel bad for her. Then we see a Maou training arc and I think about how cool this guy is. Eichi somehow doesn't pick up on the fact that Haru and MC are now a thing thanks to MC's hard wall of Tsun. And we get Maou pulling his great grand master plan. And it is awesome. Just taking over the entire damn city so casually, boss. I did like Someya being entirely cool with being taken over though, that was pretty funny to me, and then Haru and MC get away whee. The whole damn place is chaos though and I'm getting pretty worried. I mean they got through it (with some hilarious tactics by Haru sure but they did) Then MC somehow gets his *** captured with Eichi, who was a sight for sore eyes in here I gotta say, Maou throws Haru off a building and I'm not even mad because I know she was thinking of something before she fell so she's probably fine, MC shows more boss scenes fighting, climbing stairs! yada yada Haru is safe! Then wham wham wham, twist after damn twist, Maou is dead, wait no he's not he's escaping! (guest appearance from Horibe! Yay) Now he's dead, much better. We get touching scenes with Haru again and I'm the happiest camper you've met, nothing but smiles from me here and everyone lived happily ever after, except then Maou shows up at the door again, son of a *****. Maou is for really dead and I'm not such a happy camper as we see MC ditch Haru, go to take the sentence and everything goes downhill from there. I get worse and worse off as we see MC get interrogated by the detective. I finally lost it when Close your Eyes came on though, that whole scene "my girlfriend" turns into "that *****" everything goes pear shaped and MC sets himself up to be taken down by the cops. Every time the cops call him out on being a prick and he goes for the act anyway I feel stuff tearing in my heartstrings I mean seriously ouch, everyone comes to see him and see him off too, Eichi even feels bad, and just everything about the scene, I haven't cried so hard since Steins; Gate or Ever17. He eventually gets out and in my state I'm not even sure what to think anymore, do I like this end?

I didn't even know, I think now though that I'm ok with it, I mean story wise it was awesome that's for sure but I eant more as a "am I ok with these terrible things happening to MC?" But I sort of agree with Athos here, the bittersweetness of it gives it a kind of "we finally earned it" sort of feeling to it that I really liked, wow, now that's a rant, haven't done one of those online before I usually just run over to my friends and fangasm at his house (lots of "I know!" and "Right?" and "It was just, gaaaaah!" are usually thrown around XD)

Wish I could say anything other than hi to you Raiden but I haven't really played any of those games myself XD

Thanks for the rant, it was an interesting read.

A Comment towards the beginning of your rant, I feel that what makes VNs different from most mediums is the not as exciting beginning parts.

Cause then, you sort of have to "force" yourself to continue reading by finding something to attach to either the characters or the comedy or whatever.

But because you work yourself to it, whenever you get your epic endings, the enjoyment you get is enhanced

because you realize, so it really was worth it.

And all that time you spent that felt a bit wasty wasn't really.

I mean, VNs could skip the slow beginnings but then everything would be a lot less........impactful .-.

I remember Athos commenting it on Fate/Stay Night and something else, but I think it applies to pretty much all my favorite VNs

Well, I'm pretty sure you all agree with me since you guys always hint it while posting

So this is more of my own personal realization of what makes VNs sometimes more enjoyable then movies/books.

Besides the fact that books never have epic BGM >_>

Haru was hilarious, I loved her jokes.

I also loved her character design and her hair too though >_>

Does Katawa Shojo count as one? Cause I've played that. 3:

I always think either this or Saya no Uta is the best VN to start with.

This because, no one ever seems to hate it

If I had to explain, I really can't....cause I don't know why either.

Maybe because it doesn't do anything badly?

Saya no Uta because its short and its decent enough to love.

Katawa Shoujo was also the first VN I played. I think.

But I really can't say that this VN was the one that got me into playing them

Cause I didn't care for VNs even after playing KS.

Muv Luv is definitely the one that got me playing, but probably VNDB was the thing that gave me the spark to start.

I'm not an expert on visual novels either, most of the titles I played are relatively famous. I've only read as much as what my neighbor had introduced to me, and he moved away for college in the summer.

Anyways:

Saya no Uta was my first VN, but I ended up loving it enough that I read a whole bunch of Nitroplus VNs, including Demonbane, Togainu no Chi, Kikoukugai, and one of my personal favorites, Hanachirasu.

I've also been a humongous fan of Type-Moon, having picked up Tsukihime first, then Fate/Stay Night. I eagerly await the day where I can play Fate/Hollow Ataraxia and Mahoutsukai no Yoru.

I've only played one other VN from Akabeisoft2, ala G-Senjou no Maou, a fair bit of Sengoku Rance, and everyone's favorite indie, Katawa Shoujo.

i am trying to play Sharin no kuni but every time i put in the patches where it tells me to put them it comes up with some blue system screen.... then when i take the patches out the game works fine.... WHY wont it work.....well looks like it's back to finish koihime then.....must unlock 100%.....only at about 90%

credit goes to Raijuu for combining a fav char with a fav drink

"all of itano's characters have at least one mental disorder. Even if it's not literally a mental disorder; itano takes it to extremes which practically functions as a mental disorder."

Muv Luv is your favorite ever? Well, I guess I'll make more time for it then. *Shelves God Eater: Burst* I love movies and trailers because of their music. >_> Hans Zimmer in particular is amazing.

Why else would I bug you about it repeatedly D:

Well, to be honest, maybe I haven't bugged you enough but man have I been tempted to everyday. >_>

I did think I made that clear though

I guess I haven't really had that many chances in talking about Muv Luv that much D:

Yeah, its my all time favorite VN and even with Extra/Unlimited dragging it down in some areas, Alternative still makes it my favorite in a subjective point of view.

The funny thing is though, I took more then 4 months to actually complete the whole thing,

Mainly it was because I wasn't used to the slow development thing that VNs do because it was my first VN

Its extremely tough as a VN for a first, for sure.

So that might have had a hand to even making me love Alternative even more (I finished Alternative in about 5 days I think)

Well, I almost decided to wait till I made a top 10 VN list myself before posting this rant

But I couldn't resist.

Plus, I just posted my little section about what made VNs special as a medium

and this goes pretty much hand in hand with it.

I recently came across a video from Muv Luv and I haven't stopped feeling emotional from it which is kind of messing up my daily life

The funny thing is, its just a scene and the music that plays with the scene

Spoilermajor spoilers for Muv Luv, pls don't open if you haven't read it.

But yeah, this scene might just be my favorite scene of all time and that music just keeps pulling strings in my heart.

Just this one scene made me change so many of my opinions of this VN and my attitude towards stories in general.

This is just before all your doubts of Alternative being overrated really completely disappear ( I mean, the war was fun, but it wasn't as if it was the most special thing ever)

This is just before you realize that all the time you spent getting through Extra/Unlimited was not wasted a single bit.

This is just before all your opinions of Muv Luv are blown up in your face

This is just before you lose a character that you took for granted

I ended up being in denial even after the questioning of Takeru when Marimo died and I barely experience such a thing.

I really thought maybe Takeru was hallucinating. I really thought that Marimo wasn't dead and something was wrong in their report even after she was confirmed dead so many times already.

Sometimes I can like a character that I will become in denial after they die but this was different, it was a lot more like reality.

Because when people around me die and I go in denial, its not that I loved them so much that I'm torn apart and can't bare the fact that they are gone

but because I live with them everyday, they are just there and I can't see any other possible situation,

I became so familiar with Marimo, that the fact that she could actually die was somewhere in the impossible despite the fact that they were fighting Beta everyday. Despite the fact that I knew Alternative was a Life/Death drama.

Its impossible, she had been with us for Extra and Unlimited the whole way through. She had grown up with me. She had been there as I learned more about the characters. She wasn't a main character, but still, she was just always there....

It caught me so off guard, that I couldn't even accept it

And I've barely experienced such feelings, in real life and in stories.

But its funny, because when Marimo dies, the story just moved to quickly for me to digest anything so it isn't that moment that I love more then anything

But rereading this buildup gets me every time.

I really started to love Marimo while this scene was going on, and then they completely abandon her just a few moments after

Its has a melancholic atmosphere, as if something is ending and if you know what's going to come after it you'll realize the true meaning of this atmosphere

But if you haven't it just seems like a cliche plot point

A character falls into depression and a friend helps the back up with wise advice and that advice had some of the best lines, honest truths, fear, and human emotions.

But all those emotions that could have helped Takeru just get a bit wasted because of what happens next.

They do make Takeru into a stronger person, but not at the time you expect.

I feel this scene defines life/death dramas for me. It's really screams at you that you should treasure every moment your alive because you never know what happens next and never, ever take anything for granted

The other deaths in the story just weren't as huge, because after you lose your mind over this, the other ones aren't as surprising anymore :/