You could almost hear them gushing as they related how big he was in England and abroad. Fame and celebrity, the adoration of that.

If he was a genius then use the program to describe and demonstrate how, why was he great? I suspect he was celebrated but the problem with celebrated people is their reputation grows even among people who don't really know why they are supposed to be great.

If he was important to Byrne Byrne should have explained so in personal terms.

7th December 2017, 09:26 AM

Congalltee

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Yeah-def. Shaw died in 1950. Stalin 1953. My take from it is how leftie luvvies will excuse bleedin anything if it means protecting the reputation of one of their own. Easy to see who the Weinsteins of that world felt themselves free to run riot.

You’re saying the most prominent sexual predators of 1950’s Ireland were writers?

7th December 2017, 09:44 AM

12 bens

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Originally Posted by Wagmore

It was shocking stuff. Michael D, Fintan and the rest of the lads telling us in breathless tones what a great man he was. No wonder the lefties call the shots in the literary world. Everything is excused as long as you stay a leftie. So toxic. No wonder Joyce had to get out of this kip. The nets are still up

I wouldn't have thought you were a fan of Joyce...or am I mistaken?

Here are a few quotes from Joyce and a few from Joyce scholars.

"They say (and history fully supports them in making such a claim) that any concession by England to Ireland has been granted unwillingly, at bayonet-point, as the saying goes" (from 'Fenianism: The Last Fenian' a lecture by Joyce in Trieste in 1907.)

"They (Sinn Fein) aim to make Ireland a bi-lingual Republic, and to this end they have established a direct steamship service between Ireland and France. They practice boycotts against English goods: they refuse to become soldiers or take the oath of loyalty to the English crown; the are trying to develop industries throughout the entire island; and instead of paying out a million and a quarter annually for the maintenance of eighty representatives in the English Parliament, they want to inaugurate a consular service in the principal ports of the world for the purpose of selling their industrial products without the intervention of England".('Fenianism: The Last Fenian', from Il Piccolo della Sera Trieste, 22 March 1907.)

Politically Joyce was a Fenian and something of the Fenian outlook on life remained with him into his later years-... (1992, Peter Costello, The Years of Growth, p 136.)

One does not read Joyce today, let alone write about him, without remembering the fifteen-year-long struggle for freedom of the people of Northern Ireland; the following, then for whatever it is worth, must necessarily be dedicated to them. (1982, Frederic Jameson, 'Ulysses in History' from James Joyce and Modern Literature ed. W.J. McCormac and Alistair Stead, p 126.)

7th December 2017, 09:57 AM

valamhic

We were always told as children that Shaw visited communist Russia and returned saying that "Communism was a great social experiment." That is not the problem, the problem is that in Ireland today there is a new breed of Communist day dreamer which I call "Commie Leftie, Greenie Libloon". Any view of the world which differs from that is fair game for ridicule. It's best friends are the Media, celebrities, multinational corporations and established politicians.

Self appointed false environmentalists like Oisin Coughlan's friends of the Earth get 400,000 thousand euros a year of taxpayers money while peopel sleep rough

7th December 2017, 10:02 AM

showbandmanager

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Originally Posted by Wagmore

Not on the evidence of tonight. The last bits of footage viewed the inside of his house where a prominent picture of Stalin stood on the mantlepiece

You’re saying the most prominent sexual predators of 1950’s Ireland were writers?

There is no such thing as a writer just as there is no such thing as an object (just a collection of atoms), Think of it this way, Roy Keane, Gay Byrne, Michael Collins and Hitler wrote books. For writing to become literature it must be fiction, (made up). Commie, leftie green libloonins is a fictional view of the world which was tried several times and failed. It is a fictional utopia which can only be made work by torture.

7th December 2017, 10:14 AM

valamhic

The whole history of Ireland must be viewed in context. The Irish suffer from an inferiority complex and desire to be ruled from abroad provided it is not Britain ruling. Why was Ireland an easy target for invasion, Viking, Norman, English? The answer was simple.

The people depended on God to defend them. The Vikings found no army, but all the wealth was held by monks. Everyone wanted to be a bishop or a nun. Brian Buru found he was competing for recruits against religious orders. When it got so bad that something had to be done, he beat the Vikings at Clontarf and was killed.

Where was a successor? Where was a son, daughter, niece, nephew? There was none because once the Vikings were out of the way, the people went back to religion and gave all their money to monks again. The place was wide open for the Normans who also ruled Britain.