@Cone456@supermoff @VortexDan@Notsosmartguy The big friendly button is just all of the problems coalesced into one thing. Only one episode LITERALLY had a big friendly button, but way too many of them had some form of get out of jail free card that kind of ruined the drama and buildup of the episode

@supermoff@VortexDan By ruining 9 and 10's character development and making the time lords seem like innocent delicate flowers instead of the bureacratic villains they were built up to be for 50 years?

I just don't know why they had to go back and invalidate the whole RTD era. Why didn't they just bring it back in the present. It's Doctor Who, anything's possible! You don't have to be lazy like Moffat!

I really don't think you should try to silence people critical of the show as extreme. It just feels like you're trying to say the show is perfect, just without the knee-jerk defensiveness of other people with that sentiment. And often the reason the fandom gets mad is because people try to convince the middle ground people of their concerns and the other end tries to shout them down. I think the middle ground people should try listening instead of telling everyone to just calm down

For like 5 minutes I genuinely thought you were going to have a refreshing opinion...and then you started jumping and twisting through the justification hoops. You don't mention the lack of agency, the fact that we know nothing about Clara, the entire "let's not tell the pregnant lady she's pregnant because it's her body but lol I'm the doctor" storyline, the women can't drive and "is it a demon? no, a woman! *crosses self"" jokes from 7b, the doing stuff "for Clara/Amy/River's own good. Your only justification for Clara isn't what she does for herself it's what she does for the man! And you top it off with the LOVELY idea that the Doctor can't be a woman because "that's the way things are". so what if it changes, maybe it would be worth it for a strong FEMALE role model was there to look up to for once. It might ruin the "white man club" but hey, who needs that anyway

@Notsosmartguy the Superior Venom@VortexDan@stargazer0118 I get tired of people disregarding all attempts to look at the misogynistic and problematic parts of Doctor Who as "trolling". I am sick and tired of a show that once featured strong women and people of color becoming white as hell with 2-dimensional women who seem to exist just to serve men. I'm tired of the Doctor, once personal hero of mine, being turned into a sexist child with a superiority complex. I've reached a point where my favorite show is now not my favorite, and that's incredibly sad

Really terrible series. Clara was a badly written glorified plot point during pt 2, who's only purpose was for the Doctor to "solve" her. We had the lovely sexual harassment of a married lesbian in "The Crimson Horror". The pond storyline actually ended ok but "Angels" was the final straw in Moffat's quest to ruin what were arguably he scariest monsters he's created. The Pond storyline STARTED out really stupidly and badly done, what with the sexism and lack of actual handling of their divorce Not even a Gaiman episode could save the pretty weak storytelling in part two and the horrendous attempt at an Arc where Moffat just sort of slammed us in the face with references to the end of the show. Also the deus ex machina count jumped to 11. I honestly hope Capaldi gets some input in Series 8 because otherwise we're screwed.

@TheNightmareChild@VortexDan My issue Is I want Clara to have a say in it, like Rose did. I want her to fight it and show the Doctor he's wrong and stupid for sending her away. I want the show to look at the companions as equals to the doctor, not playthings for him to protect and mess with. It's about agency

@Notsosmartguy the Superior Venom@VortexDan My issue is that no sort of idea is put forth for what CLARA wants. It's all What HE wants, all about him. He knows best for her and she can't do anything about it because the doctor is perfect and lovely and infallible and sexy. And I think they should have had her do the harkness rodeo and that was it, but they had to say "Bad girl. You disobeyed the Doctor and you shall be punished. How dare you try to have agency" and so they sent her back. And I don't try to be an RTD fanboy, but at least when he was running it women were well written and we had some POC!

@TheNightmareChild@VortexDan There is a lot to pick apart, you're right. But I just want Clara to have had a say. When she didn't, I'd have liked the show to say "that was bad, she should have a say in things" but it didn't. When Rose was crying part of it was sad but part of it was anger at the doctor and anger at being stuck at home. And she wasn't just sad because the perfect loverly clever boy was gonna die she was sad because she'd gone beyond herself and seen the stars and universe and she'd lost that. Unlike Clara, she was sad for herself not the man she has a crush on

Can we mention the fact that The Doctor was complete jerk who shunted Clara away "for her own good" and despite everyone being convinced that she's so strong and clever she just sits in her flat and cries about it? Rose broke the damn TARDIS when the Doctor told her what to do. Why the hell does 11 get a free pass?

@Malohkeh@VortexDan@JackArtaganMackenna No. The life experiences and such of women are often much different from men and thus their personalities are different. Can men and women have the same personality? Yes. But that doesn't mean that all male or female personalities have an equal and opposite counterpart

@JackArtaganMackenna I'm honestly just parroting opinions by female fans who are much better at articulating themselves than me. And no, I don't know anything about being female. But I know a lot of females and I know that women don't fit into one or two molds. All of them are different and I like when fiction reflects that. There tends to be no problem reflecting male diversity

I really feel like you completely ignored the good parts of Rose and Martha to make them look horrible while doing the complete opposite with Amy. I agree with you on Donna and Clara. I just think this whole article requires a lot more thought to be put into it to actually be worth listening to

@Malohkeh@VortexDan@Zakk Williams I don't include the RTD moffat characters because they had the benefit of someone else being in charge. But the Moffat era women tend to not be varied and exist purely for the Doctor