Billified:If written today, the Constitution would be a very, very different document. Our Constitution is a testament to the art of comprimise, if they tried to write it today it would take 5 years and 800 pages to get to something everyone would reluctantly sign off on

I don't know. I think if you took fifty random Congressmen, dressed them head-to-toe in heavy woolen garments, took away their phones, turned the heat up to 95, locked them in a room, and somehow simulated the smell of Benjamin Franklin's legendary herring farts, you might get consensus fairly quickly. I'm not saying you'd get a very good document out of it, but there wouldn't be a lot of unnecessary bickering over little details.

This is how I explain away the parts of the original Constitution I don't like. "Wait, did we ſay we were for ſlavery, or againſt ſlavery?" "Jeſus, I don't care, just write it down ſo I can get the fark out of this shiathole."

Electrify:Is this where the gunnuts proclaim that cities with relaxed gun laws have lower rates of gun crime than those that don't?

Nope.

Is this also where we point out that Toronto, a city with a similar as Chicago and far more restrictive laws, has had 1/10th the number of gun crimes than said city?

Weak argument, because...

/if the only way to keep your population feeling safe is for everyone to own a firearm, then you have much deeper problems than gun laws

...that.

Guns aren't the problem. They aren't even a problem. Americans are the problem. The society we've made is the problem. Ban guns outright, and there will still be more than enough shootings to go around. Can't pack that genie back into the bottle.