A 20-year-old Bromsgrove woman has been slapped with a drinking banning order (DBO) which prevents her from drinking or buying alcohol anywhere in England and Wales.
Laura Hall had already been barred from all of her Worcestershire home town's watering holes when Kidderminster Magistrates' Court imposed the order, which will run …

Can't. Help. Myself.

yes, she does,,,

what about the till monkey

"How can a police officer in Wales know this woman has been banned if she turns up in his town?"

what about the poor till monkey that serves this women then gets clobbered by the plod for aiding a criminal act or something.

proxy buying is the major problem with underage kids (and also one the police do fuck all about, they instead do underage stings to nab the monkeys not the people passing crates to kids 1 mile from the store) so hows this going to effect anything.

Wrong question!

"How can a police officer in Wales know this woman has been banned if she turns up in his town?"

More to the point how is a publican in Wales going to know <etc>? They're surely the ones who are going to end up stuck with a fine* for serving somebody illegally once she's been pinched for D&D and the TaffPlod does his paperwork.

You'd almost suspect that this legislation was an enabler for mandatory ID and an online check to a national database.........

fatal flaw?

"Rachel Seabrook of the Institute of Alcohol Studies told the paper: "How can a police officer in Wales know this woman has been banned if she turns up in his town?""

They don't need to, the banned woman is so banned because she appears to have a history of public order issues whilst loaded - this seems reasonable as otherwise why would you impose a DBO?

So she could go to Wales and drink - and if she acts responsibly then to be honest who really cares. Likelihood is that she won't, and when they arrest her for drunken public order offenses they will establish that she is the subject of a nationwide DBO.

Fatal Flaw?

However, the Sun - which has snaps of a fuelled-up Hall here - notes a fatal flaw in the blanket DBO. Rachel Seabrook of the Institute of Alcohol Studies told the paper: "How can a police officer in Wales know this woman has been banned if she turns up in his town?"

How about, if she is then arrested for drunk and disorderly, she'll find herself with a harsh sentence rather than an arbitrary fine?

Nice presentation!!

What they should do is this...

Make her take the same stuff as recovering alchoholics take to kerb their drinking.

The stuff that makes you throw your ring up as soon as booze enters her blood stream.

Test her every other day and if she fails the test, slap the vacuous bint in custody till she gets the message.

Does it seem draconian? Aye, suppose so but im proper hacked off with pissed up idiots ruining my town/city/etc etc. If they cant handle their beer then they should be denied the stuff until they learn a few social graces.

A policeman's lot...

Arrr. You got me there, sor, How can we tell if we have a criminal in our midst if the alleged crime took place somewhere else. Hmmm. Did they solve this in the 19th century by sending a description? And in the 20th by sending a photo? Reg readers turned their branes off for friday afternoon, then? If only everyone had an ID card. Hers would say 'profession - booze-addled trollop' or some such

Thats odd

I kind of pictured a woman in far worse physical condition than that photo on the Sun website.

The sun probably gave her a few hours 'rehabilitation', probably shelled out for a full pamper, to help her look a little more respectable.

So how does the local Tescos stop her from walking out with ten bottles of JD under her arms? Are they supposed to recognise her? Is her photo up in every offey and supermarket from Lands End to Carlisle? I haven't checked where she's from but it wouldn't surprise me if its a short hop over the 'border' into scotland for some fags n booze!

So what if it shows up AFTER the drinking offense!? Damage was likely already done, police time wasted, court time wasted, government money wasted.

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Let me see, I'd wager she worked in Morrisons for two weeks, turned up maybe once, and never worked a full day in her miserable life. Her drinking probably funded by HM Govt on behalf of the people of Great Britain in benefits, maybe her bf. Liver problems to follow, also to be funded by the people of GB. Her various offences handling and court proceeds also funded by us in Council tax - police, is it?

Brilliant, makes me proud to be a tax payer, and she has the wonderful gall to feature with all smiles inside the Sun newspaper, clearly proud of her lifetime achievements.

How to enforce it...

I'll Second The...

...observation that she has excellent mammary structure. Was totally expecting a slatternly degenerate when I clicked the photo link. Half the population (the male half) would no doubt be very happy to supply her alcohol needs, though i suspect she is a screamer, at least when drunk.

In the USA "carding" for age verification is mandatory for alcohol and tobacco sellers. A proper notice on Driver's License or other ID would work here.

The first numpty ...

... that asks me for ID for buying booze will find themselves putting everything back on the shelf. I haven't been asked for ID for buying alcohol ever, and not since I was 15 to get into a drinking establishment (I began drinking in the local "nightclub" when I was 13, in the 1970s, as was normal round here), and I would be seriously insulted if I was now.

The Institute for Alcohol Studies

"They came for the winos"

Re:Drivers license

There is one good thing about ID cards, I'm damned sick of the drivers license being used for every little thing. I'm unable to drive due to disability and without either a driving license or a passport (don't tend to travel) it's bloody hard to prove who I am often enough. Most of the time the places need one form of ID from each of two or more lists, and without either of those I'm always one list short.

Not a good thing either

The problem isn't that you don't have a driver's licence (neither do I), but that you have to produce ``identification'' at all. What does that prove, really? What can the receiver of said proof do with it? If he can see you he can see you're a real person already. And with your full identity, he can impersonate you too.

This is one reason why identification must always be mutual: You need to know who's asking (and why they need to know, and whether they're entitled to) and you really should keep track of that, too. But that's too hard, so it never gets done. It would be a terrific improvement if ID cards could do that mutual trick and better yet if they could do the ``zero-knowledge proof'' trick of proving you're entitled to what you're trying to do (buy booze, whatever) without divulging more information than you strictly have to. Takes fancy math so prime ``let a computer do it'' material. But you still need full control over where the information goes. Do driver's licences give you that? Passports? ID cards?

DBO? OTT 1984esque TLA soup

Look, if the gal has a problem, she needs help. What nobody needs is calvinist finger waggling and tut-tutting and otherwise branding people as `bad' or `undesirable' or other medieval measures that amount to the same thing. Yet that's all a fancy order does. It neither solves anything nor helps anybody. Guess what gets `done'? Carry on government.

And...

An ankle tag

The US already use ankle tags for tracking DUI offenders. When they're facing jail, this is their last chance. The ankle tab detects alcohol coming out in the persons sweat and is able to detect an attempt to fool it by using pig skin, for example.#