Say the Habs finish 28th...

Grigorenko would interestingly enough make Desharnais the most redundant of the three. Size aside they both are cerebral playmakers who like to control the pace and are willing to battle in the corner, but aren't elite on the defensive end by any means.

The funny thing is Plekanec would probably be the best complimentary 2nd of our three centres, not to mention the only one capable of leading a 1st line while Grigorenko develops.

Grigorenko would interestingly enough make Desharnais the most redundant of the three. Size aside they both are cerebral playmakers who like to control the pace and are willing to battle in the corner, but aren't elite on the defensive end by any means.

That's because Grigo is still in the Junior. Under a good coaching professional staff in the AHL or NHL, we could turn him into an imposing presence who could use his playmaking ability, combined with his size, as a reliable centre who can pull hard shifts once in a while.

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The funny thing is Plekanec would probably be the best complimentary 2nd of our three centres, not to mention the only one capable of leading a 1st line while Grigorenko develops.

that's what I think, but also because Plekanek proved to be a superior defensive centre and an excellent PKer. Plus, I don't want to see all three centers on our team having less than 3 NHL seasons under their belts. Having a Vet would be the wise choice, i say.

Eller is just too far away from being a full-fledged develop centre to hand him the keys to Plek's roster spot on a permanent basis. He'd do good on many teams who need more defensive stability.

Yet everyone but you and Et le But knows he was always on Phillies top PK.

You're getting on my nerves big time, buddy... I'm about to do what I always refused to do if you keep this up...

How about you go back to that ****ing thread and see that I answered your stupid claim about PK time. He was used mainly 3-4 years ago when they had a philosophy of using their star players on the PK. He was replaced last year by a much better PKer, Claude Giroux. This year, in CLB, his PK time is almost non-existent. Also, PK isn't the only way to evaluate defensive abilities.

Yet everyone but you and Et le But knows he was always on Phillies top PK.

MTL-rules already explained it nicely, but once again.

It's not that Carter is inept defensively. But there's a lot of warning signs that he's not committed in his own end, and as it has already been said neither Philly or Columbus trusted him on the PK when other options were available.

Where did I mention Canadian, American, Swedish or any other country in my post? Whether you like it or not, Russians are, in most part, extremely talented but they are also just as moody, inconsistent and there is always going to be the threat of the KHL looming.

Again, putting my hopes on a player from that country, based on recent history, scares the hell out of me and I would tend to stay away... especially if a good offer came from another team.

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Judging a player based on where he was born is idiotic.

I'm not going to lower myself to that level sorry. People can think differently than me without having idiotic views.

Exceptional talents, no doubt. No model of consistency though. I personally wouldn't want to build around them. My opinion of course.

Where did I mention Canadian, American, Swedish or any other country in my post? Whether you like it or not, Russians are, in most part, extremely talented but they are also just as moody, inconsistent and there is always going to be the threat of the KHL looming.

Again, putting my hopes on a player from that country, based on recent history, scares the hell out of me and I would tend to stay away... especially if a good offer came from another team.

I'm not going to lower myself to that level sorry. People can think differently than me without having idiotic views.

But then again i hope they go get Cammy back he's Canadian so he's not lazy greedy and everything else that ends in Y.

May I tell you people that my mind is blown by the somewhat ignorance of every body...

One telling me that he wouldnt build is team around Malkin-_-
One telling me that malkin is inconsistent....
One telling me that plekanec is a 3rd line center
One telling me that Carter is not a defensive liability
One telling me that carter Is much better than Plek
One telling me that Richard's is much better than Plek
One telling me that +/- are something u can form a argument over

Gallagher did fine in the wjc and stepped his game up for the semi final.

Evaluating a player on such a small sample size is absolutely ridiculous.

Higher the level of competition is, better you can evaluate a kid's weakness.. Gallagher showed alot of heart and determination in this tournament but the kid clearly lacks top end skills.. I see him as a Gionta type of player but will have to get faster.. His shot is weak and lack accuracy, his lack of speed and size was clearly an issue against top level opposition, was caught out of position a couple of times.. Strengths: high compete level, works very well in restraint space, interesting stickhandling skills, goes in the dirty areas, seems to always find a way to crash the net despite his small frame, he is pretty fiesty and dynamic on the ice, always looking to give his linemates an option getting rid of his defensive coverage.. I think his determination will lead him to the NHL but Im not expecting someone we will rely on to carry our offense, third line winger, good depth player is what Im expecting from him at this point.. Could see him being part of a deal since we already have kids like Bournival Leblanc Holland in our system.. Including Gallagher in a deal could be pretty interesting for alot of teams..

But then again i hope they go get Cammy back he's Canadian so he's not lazy greedy and everything else that ends in Y.

May I tell you people that my mind is blown by the somewhat ignorance of every body...

One telling me that he wouldnt build is team around Malkin-_-
One telling me that malkin is inconsistent....
One telling me that plekanec is a 3rd line center
One telling me that Carter is not a defensive liability
One telling me that carter Is much better than Plek
One telling me that Richard's is much better than Plek
One telling me that +/- are something u can form a argument over

1. You should read again some post.
2. You're overreacting ... just like you overrate some player.
3. You're mixing thing

But hey... everyone can play your game.

One telling me Plekanec is the best 2nd line center in the league
One telling me defensive aspect of the game is the only thing I form a argument over
One telling me a 30 goals scorer is less valuable then a 20-25 goal scorers
One telling me a 2nd line center should be elite defensevily

Just to remind you .... you said: Kesler is PROBABLY better then Plekanec. ouch ...

I agree Grigorenko is as good as Columbus property. As for the 2nd pick it will undoubtly be Edmontons and they will be under a lot of pressure to get a top Dman. Murray or Reinhart could move up just because it is them. I don't know about Yakupovs attitude but if we have the choice between him and Forsberg it will have to be Yakupov.

I agree Grigorenko is as good as Columbus property. As for the 2nd pick it will undoubtly be Edmontons and they will be under a lot of pressure to get a top Dman. Murray or Reinhart could move up just because it is them. I don't know about Yakupovs attitude but if we have the choice between him and Forsberg it will have to be Yakupov.