It was a tantrum, similar to ones we've seen before from Vettel and Max.I found the swapping numbers thing childish and disrespectful.As recently as Monaco, Vettel benefited from a penalty that bumped him up to 2nd. Would he have found it acceptable if Max had have taken his 2nd position marker and put it front of his car?

No, obviously it won’t apply if he does it to a Red Bull or Renault, but I do think that the stewards will think twice next time there’s some kind of incident between Vettel and a Mercedes.

This is possibly the most ridiculous thing I've heard on the incident. What exactly makes you think that? Just to be clear are you referring to both Hamilton and Bottas? If so, how exactly do you compute that?

What he has done in this race is damaged Mercedes goodwill going forward Mercedes for all the lovey dovey they claim they have ruined their goodwill with F1 fans they will go on to win but that respect from the fans is gone now and Hamilton knows as well hence the trying to pull Vettel up to the top step!

No, obviously it won’t apply if he does it to a Red Bull or Renault, but I do think that the stewards will think twice next time there’s some kind of incident between Vettel and a Mercedes.

This is possibly the most ridiculous thing I've heard on the incident. What exactly makes you think that? Just to be clear are you referring to both Hamilton and Bottas? If so, how exactly do you compute that?

What he has done in this race is damaged Mercedes goodwill going forward Mercedes for all the lovey dovey they claim they have ruined their goodwill with F1 fans they will go on to win but that respect from the fans is gone now and Hamilton knows as well hence the trying to pull Vettel up to the top step!

Its got nothing to do with Mercedes, nothing at all, Vettel's argument was with the stewards.....that's why he stopped his car out of parc ferme and jumped out.

The best action he took was going for a walk and not being greeted with a microphone in his face. Whether it was to cool off or with the intent to skip the podium all together and convinced other wise, it allowed him a few minutes to gather himself and not do something hot headed as he has done in the past.

No, obviously it won’t apply if he does it to a Red Bull or Renault, but I do think that the stewards will think twice next time there’s some kind of incident between Vettel and a Mercedes.

This is possibly the most ridiculous thing I've heard on the incident. What exactly makes you think that? Just to be clear are you referring to both Hamilton and Bottas? If so, how exactly do you compute that?

What he has done in this race is damaged Mercedes goodwill going forward Mercedes for all the lovey dovey they claim they have ruined their goodwill with F1 fans they will go on to win but that respect from the fans is gone now and Hamilton knows as well hence the trying to pull Vettel up to the top step!

Its got nothing to do with Mercedes, nothing at all, Vettel's argument was with the stewards.....that's why he stopped his car out of parc ferme and jumped out.

You have got the radio communication to listen to, its got everything to do with them.

No, obviously it won’t apply if he does it to a Red Bull or Renault, but I do think that the stewards will think twice next time there’s some kind of incident between Vettel and a Mercedes.

This is possibly the most ridiculous thing I've heard on the incident. What exactly makes you think that? Just to be clear are you referring to both Hamilton and Bottas? If so, how exactly do you compute that?

What he has done in this race is damaged Mercedes goodwill going forward Mercedes for all the lovey dovey they claim they have ruined their goodwill with F1 fans they will go on to win but that respect from the fans is gone now and Hamilton knows as well hence the trying to pull Vettel up to the top step!

Kingvoid - My apologies. Your statement is now the second most ridiculous thing I've heard on the incident.

No, obviously it won’t apply if he does it to a Red Bull or Renault, but I do think that the stewards will think twice next time there’s some kind of incident between Vettel and a Mercedes.

This is possibly the most ridiculous thing I've heard on the incident. What exactly makes you think that? Just to be clear are you referring to both Hamilton and Bottas? If so, how exactly do you compute that?

What he has done in this race is damaged Mercedes goodwill going forward Mercedes for all the lovey dovey they claim they have ruined their goodwill with F1 fans they will go on to win but that respect from the fans is gone now and Hamilton knows as well hence the trying to pull Vettel up to the top step!

Kingvoid - My apologies. Your statement is now the second most ridiculous thing I've heard on the incident.

No, obviously it won’t apply if he does it to a Red Bull or Renault, but I do think that the stewards will think twice next time there’s some kind of incident between Vettel and a Mercedes.

This is possibly the most ridiculous thing I've heard on the incident. What exactly makes you think that? Just to be clear are you referring to both Hamilton and Bottas? If so, how exactly do you compute that?

What he has done in this race is damaged Mercedes goodwill going forward Mercedes for all the lovey dovey they claim they have ruined their goodwill with F1 fans they will go on to win but that respect from the fans is gone now and Hamilton knows as well hence the trying to pull Vettel up to the top step!

No, obviously it won’t apply if he does it to a Red Bull or Renault, but I do think that the stewards will think twice next time there’s some kind of incident between Vettel and a Mercedes.

This is possibly the most ridiculous thing I've heard on the incident. What exactly makes you think that? Just to be clear are you referring to both Hamilton and Bottas? If so, how exactly do you compute that?

What he has done in this race is damaged Mercedes goodwill going forward Mercedes for all the lovey dovey they claim they have ruined their goodwill with F1 fans they will go on to win but that respect from the fans is gone now and Hamilton knows as well hence the trying to pull Vettel up to the top step!

Kingvoid - My apologies. Your statement is now the second most ridiculous thing I've heard on the incident.

You seem a very toxic individual who feels they know it all and could go on and attack you for trying to ram your opinion over everyone else as you seem to do on every thread involving Hamilton or Mercedes.

If the mods feel its ok for you to continue being disrespectful in every thread all well and good but showing no respect to other posters is tactless, classless and childish.

This is possibly the most ridiculous thing I've heard on the incident. What exactly makes you think that? Just to be clear are you referring to both Hamilton and Bottas? If so, how exactly do you compute that?

What he has done in this race is damaged Mercedes goodwill going forward Mercedes for all the lovey dovey they claim they have ruined their goodwill with F1 fans they will go on to win but that respect from the fans is gone now and Hamilton knows as well hence the trying to pull Vettel up to the top step!

Kingvoid - My apologies. Your statement is now the second most ridiculous thing I've heard on the incident.

You seem a very toxic individual who feels they know it all and could go on and attack you for trying to ram your opinion over everyone else as you seem to do on every thread involving Hamilton or Mercedes.

If the mods feel its ok for you to continue being disrespectful in every thread all well and good but showing no respect to other posters is tactless, classless and childish.

If the mods feel its ok for you to continue being disrespectful in every thread all well and good but showing no respect to other posters is tactless, classless and childish.

I think the Mods are quite capable of policing the board, in this case I don't think the Sandman is bring disrespectful, tactless, classless or childish. It is simply not a Ferrari v Mercedes issue. You are right to support Vettel, he did get a harsh decision but its not a wrong decision.

Vettel made a mistake, got a bum decision and had a rant, most of it was witty and entertaining, some of it I think went too far, but thats Vettel.

Acceptable only because it is rebellious to the neat and tidy order F1 is trying to project (that is their problem) and penalties are their manipulation tool to try to obtain perception of neat and tidy. Good luck to F1 management on that.

If you scan images of Vettel you see he wears a frown most of the time; if you where to ask a kid to draw his facial expression it would be like . And then the furrows in his brow makes him look angry as well; I suppose it is his nominal "at ease" demeanour when he is concentrated.

And I much like this sad, angry Vettel then the celebratory one. The finger (index finger) gestures, singing "Yes! Yes! Yes!" and that little anthem he toots. Oh man, I hope he never wins again!.

This had absolutely NOTHING to do with politics and everything to do with a guy reacting genuinely to a situation where he felt wronged. Nothing more, nothing less, and he wasn’t trying to appeal to anyone’s sympathetic side either. He felt the penalty was BS and was letting them know he wasn’t the least bit pleased and felt like he should’ve been the winner.

End of story.

I don’t think he was right, but I respect his genuine opinion and emotion and I love that he acted off those emotions rather than offer commentary that wasn’t genuine or reflective of his state of mind. In the end both he and Hamilton can’t win in the eyes of the masses regardless of how they react, what they say, or their driving, so I don’t pay attention to any of it because it’s mostly nonsense and these guys are for real.

I don’t think he was right, but I respect his genuine opinion and emotion and I love that he acted off those emotions rather than offer commentary that wasn’t genuine or reflective of his state of mind.

While I think Vettel goes a bit over the top at times, such as in Canada, it also tells me just how much it means to him and his level of motivation. I'd much rather have some emotional outbursts from a guy who's really motivated and driven on the grid than some paycheck driver.

My gut feeling is that the outward show of frustration stemmed from the fact that deep down Vettel knew it was ultimately his mistake that cost him the race. Again. However you look at it - either he went off and Hamilton would have passed, or he went off and got the penalty losing him the place. Either way, he made the mistake and Hamilton capitalised. The frustration towards the stewards was just deflection.

My gut feeling is that the outward show of frustration stemmed from the fact that deep down Vettel knew it was ultimately his mistake that cost him the race. Again. However you look at it - either he went off and Hamilton would have passed, or he went off and got the penalty losing him the place. Either way, he made the mistake and Hamilton capitalised. The frustration towards the stewards was just deflection.

I could be well off but that's my take.

I agree with you, but even if it wasn't a deliberate act, his actions have served to deflect from the fact he made a mistake as it has ensured majority of the press coverage is about is the controversy of the decision and not the fact that if he hadn't made the error then he would have won the race.

My gut feeling is that the outward show of frustration stemmed from the fact that deep down Vettel knew it was ultimately his mistake that cost him the race. Again. However you look at it - either he went off and Hamilton would have passed, or he went off and got the penalty losing him the place. Either way, he made the mistake and Hamilton capitalised. The frustration towards the stewards was just deflection.

I could be well off but that's my take.

I agree with you, but even if it wasn't a deliberate act, his actions have served to deflect from the fact he made a mistake as it has ensured majority of the press coverage is about is the controversy of the decision and not the fact that if he hadn't made the error then he would have won the race.

I agree too. Overall I'm not sure that Vettel did it on purpose, more like red mist, as he is known to throw the toys out of the pram. This is why I found it funny, it didn't seem a calculated move. The positive side effect for him is that it deflected the attention from the fact that he messed up and also that Ferrari didn't tell Charles about the time penalty that could have cost him another place.

This had absolutely NOTHING to do with politics and everything to do with a guy reacting genuinely to a situation where he felt wronged. Nothing more, nothing less, and he wasn’t trying to appeal to anyone’s sympathetic side either. He felt the penalty was BS and was letting them know he wasn’t the least bit pleased and felt like he should’ve been the winner.

End of story.

I don’t think he was right, but I respect his genuine opinion and emotion and I love that he acted off those emotions rather than offer commentary that wasn’t genuine or reflective of his state of mind. In the end both he and Hamilton can’t win in the eyes of the masses regardless of how they react, what they say, or their driving, so I don’t pay attention to any of it because it’s mostly nonsense and these guys are for real.

This. All day long.

Anyone who is calling for sanctions against Vettel really need to calm down.

Firstly, Vettel refused to park his car in parc ferme - that is an automatic disqualification from the race (FIA did SFA of course, being Ferrari).

He initially refused to go to the race podium by all accounts and had to be convinced by Ferrari management to do so.

His parc ferme behaviour was terrible and absolutely deserving of a post race penalty to be served at a follow up race of FIA's choice.

He's very lucky I'm not a steward.

He did park it in parc ferme. Where do you think all the other cars outside 1st-3rd go?

let me clarify - positions 1 to 3 park their cars in the podium parc ferme area, not the pit lane area. Vettel should be DSQ alone just for that imho.

I hope you were on the campaign trail to DSQ Jenson Button from Monaco 2009 also. Consistency is key

Let me be clear, I completely disagree with dpastern and I think it would be ludicrous to DSQ Vettel for this, but they did state the DSQ was for Vettel's refusal to to park where he was supposed to, whereas Button accidentally parked in the wrong place due to the unique procedure at Monte Carlo, so the two events are not remotely comparable.

dpastern's position is not for the administration error, but rather the deliberate method of Vettel's protest and it is with precedent to penalise this sort of deliberate behavious given the sanctions given to Ferrari for failing to observe the correct podium procedure in 2002. So in that sense it is not ridiculous to take issue with it, even if the proposed penalty is clearly misfitting.

However, clearly it would be ridiculous to apply a racing penalty to ceremonial disconduct, meaning that if a sanction was believed to be needed for it then a financial one would be more appropriate. However, I feel that given the controversy caused by the penalty in the first place, it's better just to ignore it rather than draw more attention to it.

Firstly, Vettel refused to park his car in parc ferme - that is an automatic disqualification from the race (FIA did SFA of course, being Ferrari).

He initially refused to go to the race podium by all accounts and had to be convinced by Ferrari management to do so.

His parc ferme behaviour was terrible and absolutely deserving of a post race penalty to be served at a follow up race of FIA's choice.

He's very lucky I'm not a steward.

He did park it in parc ferme. Where do you think all the other cars outside 1st-3rd go?

let me clarify - positions 1 to 3 park their cars in the podium parc ferme area, not the pit lane area. Vettel should be DSQ alone just for that imho.

I hope you were on the campaign trail to DSQ Jenson Button from Monaco 2009 also. Consistency is key

Let me be clear, I completely disagree with dpastern and I think it would be ludicrous to DSQ Vettel for this, but they did state the DSQ was for Vettel's refusal to to park where he was supposed to, whereas Button accidentally parked in the wrong place due to the unique procedure at Monte Carlo, so the two events are not remotely comparable.

dpastern's position is not for the administration error, but rather the deliberate method of Vettel's protest and it is with precedent to penalise this sort of deliberate behavious given the sanctions given to Ferrari for failing to observe the correct podium procedure in 2002. So in that sense it is not ridiculous to take issue with it, even if the proposed penalty is clearly misfitting.

However, clearly it would be ridiculous to apply a racing penalty to ceremonial disconduct, meaning that if a sanction was believed to be needed for it then a financial one would be more appropriate. However, I feel that given the controversy caused by the penalty in the first place, it's better just to ignore it rather than draw more attention to it.

Hang on has this entire debacle not stemmed from Vettel getting penalised for a mistake in the first place? His on-track actions weren't deliberate and he was slapped with a penalty due to a black and white interpretation of the rules

By that same token if DSQs are on the table for parking in the wrong place post-chequered flag then if Vettel gets DSQ, then Button does too due to a black and white interpretation of the rules

He did park it in parc ferme. Where do you think all the other cars outside 1st-3rd go?

let me clarify - positions 1 to 3 park their cars in the podium parc ferme area, not the pit lane area. Vettel should be DSQ alone just for that imho.

I hope you were on the campaign trail to DSQ Jenson Button from Monaco 2009 also. Consistency is key

Let me be clear, I completely disagree with dpastern and I think it would be ludicrous to DSQ Vettel for this, but they did state the DSQ was for Vettel's refusal to to park where he was supposed to, whereas Button accidentally parked in the wrong place due to the unique procedure at Monte Carlo, so the two events are not remotely comparable.

dpastern's position is not for the administration error, but rather the deliberate method of Vettel's protest and it is with precedent to penalise this sort of deliberate behavious given the sanctions given to Ferrari for failing to observe the correct podium procedure in 2002. So in that sense it is not ridiculous to take issue with it, even if the proposed penalty is clearly misfitting.

However, clearly it would be ridiculous to apply a racing penalty to ceremonial disconduct, meaning that if a sanction was believed to be needed for it then a financial one would be more appropriate. However, I feel that given the controversy caused by the penalty in the first place, it's better just to ignore it rather than draw more attention to it.

Hang on has this entire debacle not stemmed from Vettel getting penalised for a mistake in the first place? His on-track actions weren't deliberate and he was slapped with a penalty due to a black and white interpretation of the rules

By that same token if DSQs are on the table for parking in the wrong place post-chequered flag then if Vettel gets DSQ, then Button does too due to a black and white interpretation of the rules

I don't have an issue with his post race behavior, was it in my opinion "perfect", no, but I think the steward's decision was not perfect. I think they should have told him he either gives Hamilton the position within x laps or gets a 5 second penalty if he does not comply...then if he gives Hamilton the position he can attempt to pass him until the end of the race...that is what the rule should be IMO.