Sooo... you're letting the BA community know what kind of car this person drives, your willing to let all of us know more about his physical appearance, and you already accused a BA of being the culprit (who may not have even done it)?

Good work! (massive sarcasm)

What is your main goal here? What good comes of this? You think he's just gonna say, "Sorry Beer Advocate. My bad. Here is some BA Abraxas for you and everyone else"?

Your response just bothers me in so many ways.

I mean, yeah, you're upset. But being shut-out at a release isn't new. We are not all entitled to special release beers. Shit... I've been there (see last years Ithaca LeBleu release). But damn! Chill out! It sucks, and we all hate seeing someone take advantage of the system, but come on. Get over it and move on.

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Simply, if it didn't work the brewery would come up with a new plan for limited releases to control the situation? I assure you most people getting this beer: 1)paid for it and 2)love craft beer! Sounds like how many bottles are distributed, in what style, and what time of day are the questions to ask?

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I was there as well, and it was pretty lame. Not only did the guy(s) screw locals out of a chance at the BA Abraxas, but the thugs they hired to mule were responsible for some unopeneds at the bottle share getting lifted.

Also, when someone later calmly told the guy that he thought it was kinda bs what they were doing, the muler got all uppity and in the guy's face. Not really the attitude or the practices we like to foster here in the STL beer scene.

That we all know who the scumbags are, so that we can manage our interactions accordingly.

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Do you think that someone that goes out of his way to get all these bottles of beer are for himself Nd that he is not taking care of other people? Do you think he doesn't have plenty of people all over to get him/her beer for the favor. Go ahead and don't "interact" with him but I'm sure he will still get his. When you put the work into something you'll get rewarded

Do you think that someone that goes out of his way to get all these bottles of beer are for himself Nd that he is not taking care of other people? Do you think he doesn't have plenty of people all over to get him/her beer for the favor. Go ahead and don't "interact" with him but I'm sure he will still get his. When you put the work into something you'll get rewarded

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Because the 10 other possible people that got snubbed "wouldn't" have helped other people out.

Do you think that someone that goes out of his way to get all these bottles of beer are for himself Nd that he is not taking care of other people? Do you think he doesn't have plenty of people all over to get him/her beer for the favor. Go ahead and don't "interact" with him but I'm sure he will still get his. When you put the work into something you'll get rewarded

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Ask him if he plans to put work into the CW Anniversary party as well, I need to figure out if I should take cash for 1515 or not.

The bottom line is this. Limited bottle releases are always gonna generate some controversy. What that guy did was douchey to say the least. And Perennial will probably evolve their SOP whenever they release beers like this. They are good people that are gonna look after the local scene.

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Guys I have a confession to make, the guy with the 16 mules was actually muling for me, I convinced him to drive down from Chicago and pick up a bunch of mules then mail me all the beer so I wouldn't have to drive to STL myself. Coordinated the whole thing from my apartment in Knoxville.

Guys I have a confession to make, the guy with the 16 mules was actually muling for me, I convinced him to drive down from Chicago and pick up a bunch of mules then mail me all the beer so I wouldn't have to drive to STL myself. Coordinated the whole thing from my apartment in Knoxville.

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It definitely appeared there was a dude texting random people that walked in off the street. I was fairly early in line and after I got my bottles I walked through the line again and there were at least 4-5 people in line that very obviously did not know what they were buying. It seriously looked like this guy just pulled junkies off the street. That said, I know almost all of my friends got bottles and we made sure those who weren't there got hooked up. If this dude really got as many bottles as people are saying I hope karma comes back to get him.

On a brighter note, this was an extremely well run event. Perennial could not have done a better job, especially given they've never done anything like this before. Massive kudos to them.

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On a fun note, how does one text random people on the street?

As I just posted on RB -- I’m getting flashbacks to the last Cuvee de Castleton release, which was a catalyst for me to (almost) cease any kind of beer release related activity. Specifically, one long-standing RB/BA member, who is a typical 30’s bearded, overweight nerd, showed up with several young african american men, pulled them aside in the parking lot prior to "go time" and coached them on the logistics of the actual buying of bottles. This person loaded many cases into his car that day, and defended himself later by saying "those guys were my old friends" when I later questioned him about it. Most people, including myself got zero bottles that day, even those who showed up at 3AM without somehow "gaming" the system. That beer ended up being very mediocre...people are awesome.

His name is matt rittenberg and yes it is true, He paid random people on the street to stand in line for him to get 60+ bottles. Extremely dick move on his part and I hope no one trades with this guy for this shitty move on his part. Soon as he got the bottles he started asking for whales and such.

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No...it's not true. Matt Rittenberg lives in Philadelphia...and wasn't even at the release. Where he got the picture he posted, I don't know. But he wasn't even at the release. He didn't get ONE bottle, much less 60+. You people will believe damn near anything you read on this forum. Way too easy to rile people up here. And no, I'm not defending his actions...just stating that this did not occur so people realize if they didn't get bottles, this is not the reason why.