@Indica
Let us start by remembering how much more wealthier America is then Pakistan will ever be.
Their decisions are based, not on how piddly little amounts that Pakistan steal from them, but on what the possibilities are.
So for the USA there are two possibilities
1.. Speed of transfer
2..Lower cost in transfer
3..On the negative - they got to cost out all the hijacking and the stealing , and some of the risk taken out when Pakistan threatens to sell off a stealth helicopter to china.
4..The prospect of Pakistan becoming dependent on the take.(is this good or bad?)
THEN - we might remember that the USA has already called Pakistan's bluff and they have gone down from 80% transfer to 30% transfer.
the USA also realizes that all this transport business is costly to the Pakistanis in terms of increased usage of their Infrastructure.
So on the balance they will have worked pout how much to pay these people, and how much to take it out of the aid that they give to the Paks.
Whichever way you look at it, the paks have got into this rat's corner, and they have really made the USA happier or it.
You may notice that each time something like this happens, it take the Paks a few weeks to get over it.
That is a few weeks of knuckle head thinking that should have happened before the incident - NOT after the incident.
AND of course each time they loose a little bit of leverage and a lot of money.

America need Pakistan for years as long as it thinks of balancing power in Asia-Pacific and South-east. Army is the America’s tools to make Pakistan malleable. America's preponderance over Pakistan by battering the heady mullahs will be on run. Mullahs have strident voice of Islam but sense is either lag behind or bizarre. Some freedom happy good Muslim leaders built Pakistan and now some bad Muslims (who might have been set up on three W’s and depraved) may either to fragment it or to lose it into the west in the near future. Although having strong military muscle with nuke arsenal the very existence of the state of Pakistan may be perilous whenever America's needs are depleted. Pakistan still has time in hand to contemplate right decisions.

In this life I have come across this constant problem. It is called a brick wall.
This particular brick wall is made up of two types of bricks. Dominated by we.hate.India.at.all.costs bricks, they have also included the occasional bricks called we.are.victims at all eventualities.
I have been true to form, and tried to analyse. This is a situation that is widespread. It covers all of Europe and America. Upturn any rock anywhere and you will find it underneath.
So I asked myself, how do these syndromes manifest themselves?
Well This morning I found one of the answers-apparently, according to dawn news, some 44% of Canadian Pakistanis manifest themselves below the Canadian poverty line. This compares badly with the Indians who declare only a poverty level of 18%.
Looking at Europe and then at Pakistan itself, I concluded that this is a common factor.
Comlparing this conclusion with a brief sojourn in Dubai, where in sympathy with a common race, I decided to take a Pakistani taxi on as a full timer, and where I had been generous to him , despite his surprise, I realized that these people were somewhat unpopular everywhere they settled down.
My mind elaborated into the future... These people may never make it into this brighter future. Their unelected dictators.of .before had robbed them of their future and given them Hate.India because.we.are.victimes to everything around us, gifts back to them.
I have often wondered why these poorly educated, rare readers, have so often been taken for a ride. For god,s sake -Do they seriously believe that their has any vestiges of competence, when all the evidence has shown otherwise? Do they seriously believe that their Nu keys will have any real value in an increasingly technocratic world? Extrapolate this question into asking yourself - will they have to continue to steal and borrow and import to continue on this fool,s path that they are finding too hard too abandon ?

H Haqqani former Paki Ambassador to US in a recent interview:
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“I am among those who feel that there are elements in Pakistani society who don’t allow us to have an honest and realistic debate about foreign policy. We just want to blame our neighbours, our enemies,” said Haqqani, “[and] we don’t want to take account of what’s wrong at home.”

Friends Not Masters, USA an unreliable friend
Pakistan is a victim of Afghan crises since the late seventies when USSR invaded Afghanistan. Prior to this, Pakistan was peaceful and an economically growing country. Pakistan military government of General Zia who came into power just two years before played a front line state for USA and the other western countries against the Soviet Union, which brought more than 4 million afghan refugees in Pakistan along with drugs and illegal ammunition and instability.
USA and its allies left Pakistan and Afghanistan abandoned after achieving their goals and objectives i.e. defeat of USSR in 1989 and its consequent disintegration. USA had not even cared to provide any infrastructure or Government to Afghanistan. It was a ruined country controlled by US backed/paid warlord. The Mujahedeen, who were friends of America at the time, fought a proxy war for USA and other western powers against USSR.
Decades later these mujahedeen “friends” were labelled as Taliban and so, the US’ old friends who already lost everything in this war of America against USSR now considered as enemies to west.
When the war against terror started by USA against Afghanistan’s Taliban controlled government, General Musharraf, ruling military Government in Pakistan who came into power just two years ago again found an opportunity for recognition from USA and the world by sacrificing the country’s interest to play front line state against Afghanistan Taliban regime. Both times i.e. 1979 and 2001 Pakistan was ruled by military rulers and they wished to continue their rule longer under the umbrella of USA, a situation that suited the US government which showed their double standard about democracy. 2001 rulers in Pakistan didn’t look back about the past experience from USA in 1989 onwards. It seemed not a single lesson had been learnt and now history is repeating itself.
The Musharraf govt. forfeited Pakistan yet again to USA and its allies for further damage so that they can enjoy their rule extended and longer. USA also contacted Iran for a shorter passage to Afghanistan and was rejected by the Iranian Govt as they said we have no issues with Afghanistan therefore didn’t wish to partake their illegal war.
The Pakistani public has always opposed to this war on terror against Afghanistan and has suffered badly, losing more than 50000 civilians and more than 6000 military personnel. The economy of Pakistan is on the verge of collapse and Illegal arms smuggled from Afghanistan are freely available in all parts of country. Smuggling of drugs into Pakistan from Afghanistan is another issue that has had a severely negative impact on the nation.
Since the lesson was not learnt by the past experience the country is going to face another debacle from so-called “friend” USA in near future. The USA with puppet regime of Mr Zardari /Gillani in Pakistan is continuing the legacy of General Musharraf. Pakistan continues to lose billions of dollars of property, infrastructure and poor law & order situation by participating in this war of others.

Amazing. When recalling the US "terror war" against the Taliban you conveniently left out the reason, Al Qaeda. Nor did you explain how you characterized it as a "US terror war" when they put boots on the ground to target a terrorist group and its government protectors, not innocent civilians.

Pakistan, for the sake of your region and the world: snap out of it. Your paranoia and conspiracy theories are toxic.

Dear commonman,
that was a brilliant idea,it would have worked except for the fact that half of the Indian politicians would have to be sent there too.India although is improving is not in such a great position.

I would continue to prize democracy over dictatorship . At least you can go out on the streets and criticize.
Try criticizing the two-mouthed Musharraf!
And in my memory, I have not heard of any journalist being killed off because he criticized.
And we're this to happen, I would be the first one to stand up and be counted!

This comments section is a clear example of Indian posters swarming over to any debate about Pakistan and doing their best to monopolize the debate by unfounded claims (ISI was responsible for 9/11), insinuations (Pakistan hid OBL), & one-sided narative (Pakistan sponsors terrorism, without taking into account Indian activities that keep Pakistan on edge), and obscene comments (Dirty Pakistanis, begging bow and what-not, etc..).

This article had nothing to doe with India, and yet we can see the swarming tactics employed by habitual Pakistan-bashers from India.

Regular TE readers from the rest of the world can judge by the comments that I have alluded to, and see for yourself what chance there is of peace in South Asia when educated Indians act like jealous bullies. They would discuss everything from role of religion in Pakistan, creation of Pakistan, pakistan's relations with the rest of the world, Pakistan's internal problems and everything else in most toxic terms just to vent their spleen. It probably makes them feel better to kick around Pakistan's name.

There can be no peace in South Asia unless India does an analysis of itself and its relations with its neighbors, and the attitudes it displays. Assuming to be always right takes one nowhere in any meaningful discussion. Insistence of being right by Indian posters show how serious is the desire for peace from Pakistan's domineering neighbor.

What does Pakistan's granting right of passage to NATO have to do with India - virtually nothing, and yet there are many dozens of comments from Paksitan-bashers displaying pure venom.

"we can see the swarming tactics employed by habitual Pakistan-bashers from India."
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And we Indians can see swarms of Jihadi terrorists that the
Paki establishment lets loose .We see the sanctuaries and training camps and the madarassas ejecting a non stop terrorist flow.We see Paki army regulars who fought at Kargil....

Indians have good reason to mistrust Pakistan,most of the reason terrorist attacks in India has its roots in Pakistan.Moreover in the past Pakistan has always been the first one to break peace.

one more thing,I would like to ask you for what India would be jealous of Pakistan,we are ahead of you in almost all the fields.And before you start posting that Indians are biased against Pakistanis,I suggest you read your own comments on India first.

Peace in South Asia? Not with people like these... Good. Keep digging, the hole is not deep enough yet.
Just for your information there is not a single Indian political party that is against better economic relations with Pakistan,and as for the common people of India they have moved on and want their government to develop co-operation with Pakistan.

When the argument goes this
Do not meddle in our internal affairs. hat is what China says all the while supporting North Korea and it's starving zillions.

And that is what Pakistan says so no-one can criticize..
However ZAHID - you seem to forget that this matter with Bangladesh is an international affair, not an internal.

It is a very nasty affair - and second only to Hitler's acts.
It cannot be swept under the carpet.

And it is a direct result of 95% of your history - Dictatorship.

If you compare it to what RAW does ( which every other intelligence agency does) then RAW is just a pussycat.
Even by what happens around Pakistan today - the ISI is being extremely stupid.

When India/Pakistan became independent you people had two choices

Either.. Stay on the straight and narrow... OR take the bent road to hell.
Excepting Mao's China , no other agency has done what your I.S.I is doing . AND it has got this terrible corner where it does not mind killing off the odd journalist or two.
We should leave the ISI sponsored terrorist camps alone - which not even NORTH KOREA is doing.

Extra spicy lunch could be the reason for this outburst. You should cut down on the green & red chillis.

China is starving Zillions? Get serious. TE is for serious debate, not amateurish spleen venting.

The affair of East Pakistan was an internal matter. Indian meddling made it much much worse. All the figures bandied about in this affair are doctored, even serious Indian researchers doubt these figures (there are serious & honest people in India after all). Have you ever read the history of 1971 war from a Pakistani perspective? Do you know that Pakistan army's strategy was meant to minimize civilian loss? When countries breakup horrible things happen, especially when bad neighbors are bent upon making mischief. You are saying a lot but it is all hot air.

95% of our history is not dictatorship. When Indra Gandhi slapped Emergency rule, where was the Indian civil society? Did any of you do anything at all about it? We in Pakistan have faced off military dictators without compromising our security. Musharraf had to leave because of the pressure brought on by the civil society. India has never had to face such circumstances. Indeed by its threatening posture, India has forced Pakistan to adopt a policy of high military spending and suffer the attendant problems. India has said that it wants peace with Pakistan, but it has never acted like it really meant it.

You might know better about RAW being a pussycat. I would not comment upon it. I would just observe that references provided by me elsewhere in the comments section show that RAW, since its inception in 1968 has fomented trouble in Pakistan, East Pakistan, Sir Lanka, & Bangladesh. This is not what every intelligence agency does. It is pretty unique to India's relation with ALL its neighbors.

Your post is pretty meaningless and did not merit a response, but I just like to show to the rest of the TE readership what Indians think and act regarding Pakistan. With mindset like yours (and most other Indian posters) Peace in South Asia shall yet remain a dream.

95% of our (Paki) history is not dictatorship
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From Wikipeadis:
6.1 First democratic era (1947–1958)
6.2 First military era (1958–1971)
6.2.1 Presidential republic (1962-1969)
6.2.2 Martial law in Pakistan (1969-1971)
6.3 Second democratic era (1971–1977)
6.4 Second military era (1977–1988)
6.5 Third democratic era (1988–1999): Benazir-Nawaz period
6.6 Third military era (1999–2007): Musharraf-Aziz Period
6.7 Fourth democratic era (2008–present)

The reality however is that the Military is no longer interested in taking over the Govt in a covert manner due to the dilapidated state of Governnance.Does anyone here doubt that Gen Kayani allows the Civilian Govt to survive in Pakistan today?

China is starving millions?
Honestly friend, you do not have any idea of true hitsory! Check thoroughly on google and you will find that MAO was responsibly for the death-through starvation cultural revolution whenst at least 10 million people died because they starved.
Please... For the sake of credibility read more before you argue your case!
Read and you will find lots of holes throughout your arguments. Bitelease do not read Pakistani books friend.
Incidentally your argument about meddling in other peoople's affairs is spurious. Your argument would have meant that no one should interfere in the third biggest holocaust in the world ... Kampucheas killing of millions of it' s own citizens..... Where there a trial against a few of these live perpetrators has just finished.
The world can never turn a blind eye to such terrible factors.

Zahid
You are not a bad person. Your loyalty is not misplaced. However -take the advice of my old mathematics teacher make your argument more credible ... Read and make sure of your facts.
And above all else... Read the opinions of the people you dislike. What is the point of reading only the people' s opinions that you agree with?

lastly - your comment about that extra spicy lunch -that is the sort of silliness that I occasionally display and then hit myself for doing it.
That comment about China not being rein single for the starvation death of zillions ... You would never have made it if you had more history... Especially about Mao

Why the hell can't America apologies for what was after all a terrible mistake.Some seem to have forgotten the casualties suffered by the brave Pakistan army in the Tribal lands bordering Afghanistan.lets poke fun at this country seems to be the name of the game in some quarter.

Did Pakistan apologize for hiding in Bin laden? No. They in fact charged the doctor who had unknowingly helped the CIA in identifying OBL with treason.

Did Pakistan apologize to Bangladesh? No.

Did Pakistan apologize to India for festering terror? No

Did Pakistan apologize for the car bomb plot in NY? No

Why should US apologize? It is paying billions to Pakistan to fight the Taliban, something any rational country would be doing on its own. Pakistan army in border areas have allowed safe passage for Taliban into their territory.

The doctor was charged because he was a local CIA agent. No country would tolerate what he did, never mind his reasons.

Pakistan has good relations with Bangladesh. Musharraf uttered an apology of sorts when he visited Bangladesh during Khaleda Zia rule a few years back. My Bengladeshi friends appreciated it very much.

Pakistan fosters terror in India? and India has done nothing to Pakistan during all the past 65 years? What about holding back the treasury in 1947? What about occupation of Hyderabad, Junagadh & Manadavar? Did India ever apologize? What about Kashmir and the still-awaited plebescite? What about 1971 war? What about Siachen? What about continual bashing of Pakistan where ever and however there is any chance? What about string of bombings in Punjab orchestrated by RAW? What about the activities of India missions in Afghanistan that lead to instability in Pakistan's west? You think that Pakistan is the lone culprit here? Are Indian nationals not involved in same activities of which you accuse Pakistan?

Pakistan had nothing to do with the car-bomb plot in NY. If you must insist that it was, then please be prepared to prove it.

US should apologize because it is the right thing to do. They are not doing so because of their electoral politics and because they are what India aspires to be; a hegemonic power. If tomorrow China were to destroy a post or two in NEFA leading to deaths of Indian soldiers, what would you say? Let us forget that China maintains a claim over NEFA, so even this hypothetical scenario would not be as blatant as what happened at Salala. I am not advocating violence, but you should exercise your thought process. Empathy works wonders sometimes.

You should read TE articles about Salala incident so that your mind be clear about the mess.

In reply to dark lord, point 1 Have you not heard the saw "If you want to hide something place it in plain sight". With regard to the other three points one could go on and on about lacking apologies from and to many countries.

Tough posturing by Pakistan was less driven by its public opinion and Army's 'hard stand' against US. If it was so then Pakistan would have stood up to US much before, more recently at the killing of its favorite shekih Osama Bin-Laden. Where US infringed upon its sovereignty rather blatantly (though rightly, left Pakistan machination OBL would be still be prospering) and made it known to entire world his hiding whereabouts.

The hard posturing by Pakistan was primarily upon 'request' of China (with whom its friendship 'exceeds height of Himalaya and depth of Ocean)which was trying to see how far US can be pushed, with recent downfall of Bo Xilai, then episode with Chen and sheen coming off its economy China could no longer play its shenanigans and dutifully Pakistan backed off.

Pakistan as a nation state fails in basic tenets in providing for its citizen and its sole rhetoric of existence and giving military lion's share of GDP and decision making power has been war mongering with India. I am not sure if entire population of Pakistan are united in anything else than hostility towards India and probably support for its cricket team.

How were CIA able to get to Osama's compound then? It was intelligence provided by Pakistan that was instrumental.

Dr Afridi acted on his own as an agent of CIA and thus he is being treated as a traitor. That ought to teach CIA a lesson about using local people as agents. Treatment meted out to him ought to discourage others like him. If Indian nationals had been working as agents of a foreign power, what would you do about them?

Six of one and a half a dozen of the other.
In the land of terroirism there are no shades of grey., It is only black or white.
Either the i.S.I decides that it likes law and order and not guns, or it is a terrorist organisation.
We wait for the day when it is declared a terrorist organisation and a 20million dollar bounty put on it .
I need to see 2 things happen for me to change my mind.
1... Some trials against the perpetrators of the Bangladeshi holocaust, and some accountability for the 24million Hindus.
2. The ISI stops killing Journalists and totally accepts LAW and ORDER. No more terrorist camps.

Dream on...
When would you own up to the stuff that RAW does in and around Pakistan. I would like to ask. The only realization on part of India seems to be to ask Pakistan to release convicted RAW terrorist apprehended in Lahore bombings. When shall we have bounty put on his handlers? What about Samjhota train's bombing... Would like to see bounty on the heads of the perpetrators.
There were excesses in East Pakistan, but that happens when countries break. Most unfortunate. Would you like to share blame for India's part in training Mukti Bahini? Yeah one man's freedom fighter is another's terrorist. Did Bangladesh get any compensation for the industrial machinery that was stolen during Indian occupation of East Pakistan / Bangladesh. They did get Farkha Barrage slapped on Ganges though, and had to swallow it.
Before you talk about a spurious number of Hindus claimed as victims, I wish to ask who killed my relatives in East Punjab during 1947? Any compensation? Any apology? Any acknowledgement?
What happens in Pakistan is our problem. You do not worry too much about it. Better think about women and christians being lit in Orissa. Yeah we in Pakistan often hear of those things. I am not yet talking about Babri Masjid, Gujrat killings et. that Pakistan can legally take up with India under Liaqat-Nehru accord.

Orissa was not a state-sponsored act, nor will the guilty be sheltered. Muslims who stayed back in India did because they wanted to be in secular democratic India, and not live in a theocratic state. If Pakistan believes it has the power or right to speak for Indian muslims, it should take up the matter legally with India or the ICJ or UN. Hopefully, Pakistan will also open its doors to all Muslims living in India, and then face the same treatment that the Mohajirs, the Baloochs, the Ahmedias, the Ismailis, the Shias like the Chingizis get in Pakistan.
Massacre in East Pakistan was the natural outcome of decades of torture, suppression, which triggered a struggle for independence. What industry did Bangladesh had then that India needed to loot? How long did Indian troops remain in Bangladesh after the new country got its own government?
Please get out of the thinking that the entire world is wrong when it thinks that Pakistan encourages cross-border terrorism.

Zahid, let me state outright why your postings, reasonable as they may seem from one coming from that neck of the woods called Pakistan, perturb me very much.
First, there is this notion of separation of church and state that is the hallmark of all modern states and a civilized, pluralistic society. That separation however flawed exists in India, which I expect you'd admit. That separation is non-existent in Pakistan, which I expect you'd also admit. And it is that very lack of separation, endemic to Islamic culture and societies, rooted as it is in Islam as a religion that led to the Muslims of Indian origin demanding and carving out the Partition of India. It is that very lack of separation that has led to the shared and uniformly miserable experiences of the minorities in Islamic societies, ranging from not just Pakistan or Iran or Saudi Arabia but even in those societies that were inherently pluralistic long before the arrival of Islam: Lebanon, Malaysia, etc.
Second, your and other Pakistanis posturing about Babri Masjid, Gujarat, etc. are only cause for me to view you with greater concern. For you seem to believe in that Muslim Ummah as long as it serves your purpose, wounds or devastates another (country, culture, person, etc.) And as long as you and your brethren feel that way I am tempted to insist there exist the BJP, VHP, RSS, Kateb, IDF and so on to keep you in your place (and to protect the interests of those you threaten).
Stand up, speak out in favor of the separation of church and state in the land your ancestors carved out for you and your progeny, show that minorities matter and don't have to scurry around in dwindling numbers and increasing irrelevance in the lands of Muslim majority...and then I shall say you have the right to be heard, listened to, and even perhaps followed. Until then...please leave those that are further down that road alone, will you?

It is not a question of state-sponsored acts. It is a matter of ridiculing others while there are shameful problems in your home.

Muslim League won a large majority vote. Muslims who knew that they would not be able to leave for Pakistan voted for Muslim nonetheless. They probably had no notions or illusions about secularism in India. They wanted a corner of South Asia to be free of Hindu domination. Nobody could have envisaged the mistrust and suspicion between India & Pakistan.

Pakistanis do not need Indians to champion their causes. We know your intentions and you'd better mind your own backyards. Mohajirs are doing quite well, so are most others and please do not worry about our problems. We can handle them if left well enough alone.

Since you are such an expert on matters relating to East Pakistan, I would like to request solid & genuine references to support your assertion of "decades of torture, suppression".

Jute industry in Bangladesh suffered serious setbacks by it being looted. Do a search on the internet & you would find what happened during and immediately after the 1971 war.

Again, let me re-iterate. India did attack & dismember Pakistan, hence it is an existential threat, and therefore Pakistan shall act accordingly. Show us that you are serious about peace and you shall get a positive response.

If you believe that I have a bridge to sell you. And I shall toss the moon, the planets too.

How about: they wanted a corner of South Asia where they, as Muslims, can define and maintain a country driven by Islamic doctrine and principles. They did not want to part of a pluralistic secular democracy. They did not see themselves, heirs to that Moghul empire, to be a minority in that large, mosaic of a democracy that was the follow-up to that empire of yore. Instead, and unable to wield power over the majority as the Moghuls did, they carved out that land on one pretext or the other. And realize, with the split of Bangladesh, how flimsy those pretexts were.

And redux on in Lebanon, Serbia (with Kosovo), the Valley of Kashmir, and elsewhere.

If and when you and your Muslim brethren realize you err in not recognizing your inability to fit into a plural, multi-ethnic, multi-religious (and non-religious, even atheistic) world...instead of coming up with silly fallacies repeated on and on like the above...then I'd call it some progress, a trend in the right direction...wherein you might quality to sit with others around the same table. Until then, why wouldn't the world welcome more of what you and your Ummah have seen this past decade?

Please do not get perturbed. We in Pakistan have pretty much similar aspirations as others. We want to live in peace. We want to see growth and security. You want it, we want it. That is the point of this article to begin with. It is this incessant bullying from Indians about Pakistan being this and Pakistan being that which gets me going in this comments section. You are more polite than others, but the thrust of the argument is the same.

Yeah I believe in the concept of Ummah. It would be a failing if I did not subscribe to it. That is what made me participate in a march by Muslims from all across USA who gathered in Washington DC to protest American inactivity in Bosnia in 1994. That was the first political act by Muslims in USA. It is the same concept that makes me sad to see Muslims being demonized here & there. It is the same concept that makes me angry to see AQ and Taliban types distorting holy teachings to justify their methods. It is the same concept that joins me with others from across the world irrespective of their color or race. Caliphate or no Caliphate, Ummah lives and I care about it. While I care for others irrespective of color & race, this concept also teaches me to look beyond differences of creed and embrace humanity as God's family. It hurts me to see oppression, cruelty, & injsutice where ever it is. I was horrified when I saw the ethnic warfare in Rawanda, and I cried for the victims. While I learned about the suffering of Muslim refugees from my parents (who suffered themselves while they walked to Pakistan), my father took care to tell me that Sikhs (especially) suffered too at hands of Muslims.

Pakistan is not a theocracy. But we do have a different view about role of religion in state (Note that it is different from seperation of Church & state). It would be too exhaustive a comment if I were to go into the depth here, so I will desist.

BJP, VHP, RSS, IDF exist because injustice exists. Therefore the agents of injustice are needed. Hard line types are everywhere; in every country, in every culture, in every religion. It is a mindset that exists in a small but active percentage of general population. If you feel that these entities are needed to keep us in our place, then of course we have LET, JM, and others to keep you in place. But to what effect?

If minorities were dwindling in Pakistan, then how would they maintain their proportion as a percentage of population in Pakistan? You are misinformed sir about religious tolerance and the life of minorities in Pakistan.

It would have been cool to live with Hindus and Sikhs just as we find a good number of Christians in Pakistan. But too bad Congress rejected the Cabinet Mission Plan, and thenceforth the road to partition was straight and short. Muslims just needed to have their concern addressed. Was that too much? India would have maintained its integrity, and Muslim concerns would have been effectively addressed. We could have been compatriots.

If hate spewing posters from India desist, I would have no reason to post the way I do.

The trust deficit in U. S. - Pakistan relations needs to be bridged with , innovative confidence building measures
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Having hosted OBL for close to a decade, the only measures that can bridge the trust gap is for ISI to produce Zawahiri, Haqqanis and Mullah Omar and hand them over to US.

And just as long as you and your brethren see your affiliation with the Ummah being more important than the welfare of the larger society (that has long borne the cost of this Ummah) I and those not part of the Ummah will endorse and support the profiling of the members of this Ummah, the placement of boundaries and limits on their conduct in the larger society, and the active practice of what the Ummah has experienced in the past decade around the world. And when those members of the Ummah come appealing to me or my kind seeking support, money, signatures to lessen their pain...I shall refer them to your postings.

WOW so this magazine has audacity to take the side of the americans after all the problems they have created for the people in this region of Afghanistan and Pakistan. From killing hundreds of civilians in drone strikes to pressuring the incompetent government to release CIA agents like Raymond Davis who escaped to america after killing two innocent civilians in Lahore. America is bully, a wannabe police man of the world trying to enforce its influence on this region by hook or by crook. It talked about democracy and supported a dictator, talked about victims of the 9/11 attacks and killed thousands civilians in the aftermath of those attacks. Even after the Salala Checkpost attacks the media is supporting the US stand of not even offering an apology (which for information they weren't even giving in February) this is outrageous. I dont think they have humanity left in them. And being a Pakistani I would have wanted my government to shoot down those drones, close these nato routes and stand against this American oppression and modern imperialism even if it meant starvation for half of our country.

Sure, the USA has intervened more than 100 times in other countries' internal matter, on various stretch arguments. It is however curious why Pakistan despite its Islamic credentials and its being upset with drone attacks, keep running to the USA for aid? Without the USA, Pakistan will have to find a new protector in China, or soon become the new killing fields of Asia.

It is well known fact that Pakistan is defect o colony of America since 1954.Without help of U.S.Pakistan could not survive within month.How to treat colonial subject is fully depend on ruling party.If master killed your solders or your people slave have no right for grumbling or hueing and crying. Slave must obey the order of master.That roll Pakistan carrying from last 60 years.America want space of Pakistan for to spy movement of China, so in any condition U.S.want control on Pakistan and if possible on Kashmir valley.Economically Pakistan is on edge of collapsed so it also require help of U.S.From this situation India must learn one lesson
relation between India and Pakistan never be smooth and problem of Kashmir never solve.India must not live in fool`s paradise.

I think People are forgetting that Money talks. As long as US can provide Money, Pakistan will keep their mouth shut and as long as US has military power over others, others will abide by what US sets the course. It is as simple.

What you appear to take pride in called Law of the Jungle. It is not something that is admired in a civilized world. With money you can buy "opinion" in mainstream media and with power you can enslave weaker nations but FOR HOW LONG? Ultimately, the truth comes out and power turns into weakness. That is what the greatest conqueror of the world Alexander the Great had confronted when his own army got tired of his adventurism and refused to go any further than India.

Remember, by force you can conquer a country and enslave its people but you can never rule it comfortably and earn the respect of its people. USA, according to all economic experts of international repute, is evidently on its way to INSOLVENCY like Euro zone is struggling to come out of a prolonged unmanageable crisis.

I do agree with your point about Law of the Jungle and my friend you are forgetting that we do not live in a civilized world and we never did. Yes, US will fall one day and probably the days are numbered. Then someone else will take its place. So pick your choice.
I do not think US wants to enslave Pakistan or its people. I think Pakistan and its people are enslaving themselves to US by depending of its aids. If you do not want to be dictated by someone then stand your ground or place yourself in better (economically and militarily) viable position by reinventing yourself (look what Brazil and China are headed).
I guess US still have the Bragging rights.

Here a BIG bully USA and an arrogant, know all, publication The Economist join hands, and the arrogant wants to support the Big bully. By any moral standanrds, USA had made a mistake. Killed innocent civilians by mistake. Should have apologised. Pakistan in its greatness, and some compulsions, has let bygones be bygones. The Economist in its Asian wisdom could have learned to be silent. Not glorify wrong actions.

SORRY - get YOUR facts right
They have been very supportive of Al-queda. These pesky terrorists training camps are well supported by the ISI, and the Bull that broke the China is .........PAKISTAN.
I guess it really does not matter what you think - The rest of the world believes so!

It is a figment of your imagination. Pakistan did not support Alqaeda. Arab Jihadis decided to settle in tribal areas, but it was not government supported. Alqaeda reared its head in late 90s and by then Pakistan was wary, but could not do much about it.

What terrorist training camps are you talking about? Care to explain the Samjhota Express bombing that killed many Pakistnis in India. Has India apprehended the perpetrators who did it? Or was it the convenient scapegoat, ISI?

Sure, when they were shelling out billions in dollars, no questions asked, they were fine. Now they have throttled down on that funding as they asked relevant questions and found the answers not forthcoming or evasive or stinking of duplicity, you want them out the region?! Sure, sure...

Guess what, the world has wised up to those Pakistani tactics that masqueraded in the past as grand strategy. Cf Kargil, Kashmir, Afghanistan, OBL, KSM, et al. How long before Pakistan's "too nuclear to fail" gambit will blow up in its face...just a matter of time, if you ask me. Cf the USSR.

Omar Sheikh is the man who, on the instructions of General Mahmoud Ahmed, the then head of Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), wired $100,000 before the 9/11 attacks to Mohammed Atta, the lead hijacker.

It is extraordinary that neither Ahmed nor Sheikh have been charged and brought to trial on this count.

Pakistan is not continuing to make a big mistake,they might have had their mistakes,but they are trying to recover, you should be supporting them on the basis that they are our neighbors.And they didn't unleash the monster of terrorism as you put it.Also,they did not blow up the twin towerrts.Biased, non-facts statements gets us nowwhere

Pakistan has become a target of ridicule from all sides taking its shine away. The big monstrous is the West not to mention our so called democratic niegbour who has played with an endless zeal to undermine its existence and the corrupt Politicians have not learned a lesson. They need to cut its umblical cord from the west and forget the Dollar {only printed money] comming in to fill the pockets of various stripes of politicians. Wake up!

I would love to see your advice being followed. I certainly think that you should have your dictatorship back again, a new army of suicide bombers, and definitely wake up those half wit politicians of yours @!