Quotes of the day

posted at 10:05 pm on September 7, 2009 by Allahpundit

“The obvious rejoinder to these points is that Jones supposedly brought this on himself by long ago making a mistake and signing a misguided petition about 9/11. Obviously, he made a mistake – and he admitted that. But even if you don’t accept that apology or admission of fault, the idea that him signing that petition means he’s worthy of removal is just a pathetic argument that highlights the most damning hypocrisies of all. For instance, are we really expected to believe that Jones signing one random petition is a bigger problem than, say, Geithner accepting free room and board for the industry he is supposed to be regulating?…

Hence, we can be assured the original targeting of Jones was a calculated move with race in mind – a move designed to fit the criticism into a larger racial backlash framework first perfected in the 1980s. That framework has created a simple reality: In America, governmental advancement is wide open for right-wing movement players, and you can even vaguely hope for a seat at the political table if you are a white progressive former hippe-turned-yuppie liberal. But if you are a black person with any enduring loyalty to progressive movement or social justice activism, the loud and clear message from politicians and the media is that you are not welcome anywhere near the halls of power, because you will be billed as some nefarious combination of Al Sharpton, Huey Newton, Malcolm X, Stokely Carmichael and Willie Horton.”

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“Now, thanks to Glenn Beck, we’ve got that voice back. No longer tied to his desk with a sock in his mouth, Van is now freed to do what he does best: inspire and energize groups around the country…

I despise 9/11 ‘truther’ conspiracies. Indeed, one of the guidelines for bloggers on HuffPost is a ban on posts putting forth those kinds of theories. And it was stupid of Van to put his name on a very stupid ’9/11 Truth Statement.’ I’ve spoken to Van. He doesn’t believe that the Bush administration orchestrated the 9/11 attacks or allowed the attacks to happen in a cold-hearted attempt to gin up support. The 9/11 ‘Truthers’ are fringe-dwellers and Van was completely wrong to allow himself to be associated with them…

Isn’t it time we acknowledge that no human being with any passion and deeply held beliefs ever emerged flawless into the world? And that if every mistake, misstep, boneheaded decision, or error in judgment becomes an automatic disqualifier for public service, then we’re going to be left with a political landscape filled with nothing but wrinkle-free, foible-free, passionless automatons who have never made a mistake because they never took the risk of having an original thought.”

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Obviously, he made a mistake – and he admitted that. But even if you don’t accept that apology or admission of fault,the idea that him signing that petition means he’s worthy of removal is just a pathetic argument that highlights the most damning hypocrisies of all.

Its the consistency and patternization of all who surround
the Hopey/Changey Administration.In Obama’s early primaries
he lead everyone to think,that he had a vast sprawling neigh
bourhood,and yet he knew Ayers,Dorns,Rev.Wright,Father Plage
r and yet he claims to know absolutely nothing about them!!

And now Van Jones has been exposed,and again,Obama plays
dumb!!

This Liberal Administration is either really brilliant,or
absolutely clueless!!

This is driving me NUTS. He didn’t just sign the 2004 petition – he was listed as an organizer and contact for a truther march on Diane Fienstein’s office in 2002 to demand an investigation into the Bush Administration’s culpability for 9/11. It infuriates me they continue to play this as a random petition signature and that’s his only connection to it.

What exactly are your parents views on 9/11? It should be easy enough to present them with facts.

ThePrez on September 7, 2009 at 10:38 PM

I don’t know. I just overhead my parents talking about it. I don’t really want to debate them on anything, I just want to be free from this nuthouse (and it’s a nuthouse in more ways than one, this is just the cherry on top).

Only the left is stuck on race. Everything they see is through the prism of race. They interpret anyone who doesn’t look at race as being racist. Of course, that sort of twisted thinking is why they are leftists.

Only the left is stuck on race. Everything they see is through the prism of race. They interpret anyone who doesn’t look at race as being racist. Of course, that sort of twisted thinking is why they are leftists.

progressoverpeace on September 7, 2009 at 10:36 PM

Indeed. I don’t care if Van Jones is white, black, polka dot, or paisley. The man is a troofer and a communist and should not hold a position of political power.

To paraphrase Chief Justice Roberts, the best way to stop discriminating based on race is to stop discriminating based on race.

To expand further on your point though, when faced with a communist troofer, note much of the Left has to search for further reason beyond those two as why someone might oppose him. It is a sign of their particular paranoias that they settle on race…but I think it is just a troubling that they don’t see trooferism or communism as even a potential reason to oppose the man, as if those are well within the political mainstream.

Not like he can’t doctor up anything or be paid off for passing this in as evidence.

Don’t you realize that it would be far better to just debate Obama on policy than this nonsense?

ckoeber on September 7, 2009 at 10:40 PM

I got news for you bucko, the 9th Circuit Court in California aint some little quaint village in the middle of some third world hell hole in Africa or South America. They dont just admit any old piece of paper with crayon scrawling on it as evidence. This is a FEDERAL COURT, and perhaps the most liberal one in America. This sonny boy is as big as the big time gets.

Suck it up, Obama’s days are numbered and this will probably be the trigger Obama and company are looking for to pull a Chavez styled coup.

it was stupid of Van to put his name on a very stupid ‘9/11 Truth Statement.’

If this bozo doesn’t know how ‘stupid’ this ‘stupid statement’ was, and didn’t know enough not to put his name on it, then how can anyone feel his judgment or critical thinking skills, or analytic abilities are worth a damn?

“But if you are a black person with any enduring loyalty to progressive movement or social justice activism, the loud and clear message from politicians and the media is that you are not welcome anywhere near the halls of power..”

But if you are a black person with any enduring loyalty to progressive movement or social justice activism, the loud and clear message from politicians and the media is that you are not welcome anywhere near the halls of power…

On the other hand, we have Condi Rice, Colin Powell, ….. guess which party doesn’t make a race distinction.

And that if every mistake, misstep, boneheaded decision, or error in judgment becomes an automatic disqualifier for public service, then we’re going to be left with a political landscape filled with nothing but wrinkle-free, foible-free, passionless automatons who have never made a mistake because they never took the risk of having an original thought.”

To expand further on your point though, when faced with a communist troofer, note much of the Left has to search for further reason beyond those two as why someone might oppose him.

Exactly. And they don’t even realize how strange that looks to normal Americans.

It is a sign of their particular paranoias that they settle on race…

It isn’t paranoia. They don’t believe any this racist cr*p they throw. It’s just the only weapon they have, and they are into ginning up racial animus as much as they can, anyway. The left is all about reducing the US to tribalism, as all race-based collectivists do. They have no other way.

but I think it is just a troubling that they don’t see trooferism or communism as even a potential reason to oppose the man, as if those are well within the political mainstream.

18-1 on September 7, 2009 at 10:44 PM

They have become bold, thinking that America has somehow embraced marxism because The Precedent was elected. That’s why we hear Congress-critters openly praising Castro and Che. They would never have done this before (as Maxine Waters had to dial back her glee with the concept of advancing socialism, in her idiotic questioning during the TARP hearings).

The left has totally lost touch with reality and we are all going to suffer as they try to drive this nation into the abyss. It will be very, very ugly.

I got news for you bucko, the 9th Circuit Court in California aint some little quaint village in the middle of some third world hell hole in Africa or South America. They dont just admit any old piece of paper with crayon scrawling on it as evidence. This is a FEDERAL COURT, and perhaps the most liberal one in America. This sonny boy is as big as the big time gets.

Suck it up, Obama’s days are numbered and this will probably be the trigger Obama and company are looking for to pull a Chavez styled coup.

doriangrey on September 7, 2009 at 10:47 PM

Yep, same as all of the other “BIG” time cases brought up in Philideplia, Washington D.C., etc. etc.

You had reporters ACTUALLY TOUCH HIS ORIGINAL CERTIFICATE IN THE VAULT IN HAWAII!

You have THE REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR STANDING BY HER STATEMENT THAT THE CERTIFICATE ON FILE IS REAL. SHE HERSELF STATES THAT SHE HAS SEEN IT HERSELF!

You have TWO NEWSPAPERS ANNOUNCING THE BIRTH FROM THAT TIME!

Look, I get it. You don’t like the guy. But the best way to beat him is on ideas and policy, not on this nonsense that will constantly get smacked down every time.

I’ll bite. What debate on policy have the dems offered on any of the big ticket items they are pursuing? The last time I looked they were still trying to marginalize everyone but their own true believers.

You really have no idea what you’re talking about. This is evidence and if it’s found to be forged the guy is heading for an extended stay in federal prison – where he probably won’t be treated very well, if you know what I mean.

The other cases were thrown out on ridiculous lack of standing arguments. No reporters touched anything in the vault in Hawaii. However, CNN did lie to Lou Dobbs and claim that the originals had been throw away with digitizing, which was just jaw-dropping in its stupidity – you know, records laws and such.

The Governor didn’t say much, though you’re making the rest of the stuff up in your comment, so I’m sure you’ve made up some interesting statement from her, too.

The fact is, this is in the court’s hands and we’ll all get to see what comes of it. I don’t see what you’re even bothering to argue about. The process is in motion and no one can stop it. That’s the scoop.

Oh, we are just warming up on this big week ahead. Just think we get to see Dear Leader on TV many more times. What could go wrong for DL? I just hope that joint session is orderly and no shouting or anything…

Seven Percent Solution:
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SPS,these few lines are awfully revealing of the Lefty attitude and of racial gaming that they are busy playing!
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A joint report by People for the American Way and the NAACP said California Supreme Court Justice Janice Rogers Brown is “committed to using her power as a judge” to work against civil and constitutional rights.
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Janice Rogers Brown is the far right’s dream judge,” said Ralph G. Neas, president of People for the American Way. “She embodies Clarence Thomas’s ideological extremism and Antonin Scalia’s abrasiveness and right-wing activism.”
————————————————————-And Hilary Shelton, director of Washington’s chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, accused the Bush administration of hoping “to get some kind of credit because she is the first African-American woman nominated to the D.C. circuit.”

You really have no idea what you’re talking about. This is evidence and if it’s found to be forged the guy is heading for an extended stay in federal prison – where he probably won’t be treated very well, if you know what I mean.

progressoverpeace on September 7, 2009 at 10:58 PM

Win, lose or draw we will get him! He will beg to just be waterboarded.

I’ll bite. What debate on policy have the dems offered on any of the big ticket items they are pursuing? The last time I looked they were still trying to marginalize everyone but their own true believers.

chemman on September 7, 2009 at 10:56 PM

I will be the first to say that the Democratic Caucus has focused more on endorsing their own proposal by using the election as a mandate.

But it isn’t the responsibility of the majority party to ask the other caucuses for their ideas. That should happen automatically.

Last time I checked I didn’t see Lincoln, Reagan, or the two Bushes wait around while they were President until the Democratic party came up with ideas before pursuing their own initiatives.

The point is that the Republicans need to push their proposals instead of staying focused on why they hate Barack Obama.

Rep. Ryan submitted a healthcare proposal; why not have the entire Republican caususes (in both houses) focused on telling America how great their plan is?

People like leaders with plans. That’s where the flaw with the Republicans are now. They seem like they have none when in fact they do. The republicans are just not showcasing it.

“But if you are a black person with any enduring loyalty to progressive movement or social justice activism, the loud and clear message from politicians and the media is that you are not welcome anywhere near the halls of power, because you will be billed as some nefarious combination of Al Sharpton, Huey Newton, Malcolm X, Stokely Carmichael and Willie Horton.”

Really? And here’s me thinking that the US had just elected a progressive black man to the highest office in the country, much less “near the halls of power.” Seems to me that politicians and the media not only welcomed Obama, they rolled out the carpet, prostrated themselves before him, and kissed his shoes as he walked into office.

I’m sick to death of liberal a$$hats and the ‘racism’ card. I’ve had e-f’ing-nough of it.

Isn’t it time we acknowledge that no human being with any passion and deeply held beliefs ever emerged flawless into the world? And that if every mistake, misstep, boneheaded decision, or error in judgment becomes an automatic disqualifier for public service, then we’re going to be left with a political landscape filled with nothing but wrinkle-free, foible-free, passionless automatons who have never made a mistake because they never took the risk of having an original thought.”

In America, governmental advancement is wide open for right-wing movement players, and you can even vaguely hope for a seat at the political table if you are a white progressive former hippe-turned-yuppie liberal. But if you are a black person with any enduring loyalty to progressive movement or social justice activism, the loud and clear message from politicians and the media is that you are not welcome anywhere near the halls of power, because you will be billed as some nefarious combination of Al Sharpton, Huey Newton, Malcolm X, Stokely Carmichael and Willie Horton.”
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I believe this is absolutely backwards. Switch the words white and black within the text and you’ll come closer to the truth. And as for governmental advancement, the NAACP can help you with that. I still find it hard to believe that the National Association for the Advancement for Colored People is still in existence. It’s hard to say (type) that with a straight face.

Said 338-13(b) is subject to the requirements of
338-16, 338-17, and 338-18;
338-16 is a birth certificate registered
one year or more after birth which
has been altered after being filed,
it shall contain the date of late filing
and the date of alteration.

[In other words, this form of vault birth certificate, the Delayed Certificate, required no more than a statement before a government bureaucrat by one of the parents or (the law does not seem to me clear on this) one of Barack Obama’s grandparents. If the latter is true, Ann Dunham did not have to be present for this statement or even in the country.]

Van committed one to many thoughtcrimes. Another victim of the right’s PC police.

crr6 on September 7, 2009 at 10:08 PM

Damn, and all this time I been walking around thinking Political Correctness is the method of rewriting history and suppressing freedom of speech instituted by the Thought Police on the left. Goes to show what I know.

You really have no idea what you’re talking about. This is evidence and if it’s found to be forged the guy is heading for an extended stay in federal prison – where he probably won’t be treated very well, if you know what I mean.

Except that if the case goes awry he can just drop it before that point.

The other cases were thrown out on ridiculous lack of standing arguments. No reporters touched anything in the vault in Hawaii. However, CNN did lie to Lou Dobbs and claim that the originals had been throw away with digitizing, which was just jaw-dropping in its stupidity – you know, records laws and such.

People from FactCheck.org did touch it, as well as other reporters. Please at least Google before making statements:

The fact is, this is in the court’s hands and we’ll all get to see what comes of it. I don’t see what you’re even bothering to argue about. The process is in motion and no one can stop it. That’s the scoop.

progressoverpeace on September 7, 2009 at 10:58 PM

The problem is that the more time you talk abgout this the less time we get to hear about more important things, like what is in the current bills floating through Congress, the wars going on, etc. I am all for hearing out legitamite ideas, but not nonsense like this.

People from FactCheck.org did touch it, as well as other reporters. Please at least Google before making statements:

ckoeber on September 7, 2009 at 11:15 PM

I don’t have to google anything. I know exactly what you were talking about and what you said is untrue. The factcheck fool and one other reporter claimed to have touched the COLB that was the source of the third image appearing on the net. That’s all. No “vault copy” of anything.

As to what Lingle said, I know that, too. Big deal. It isn’t what you are trying to make it out to be.

I can talk about this and talk about other things at the same time. I don’t see why you would think that discussing the BC issue takes time away from anything. It doesn’t.

For instance, are we really expected to believe that Jones signing one random petition is a bigger problem than, say, Geithner accepting free room and board for the industry he is supposed to be regulating?…

Lol, is he serious? I’m sure we’d all be more than happy for Geithner to leave too.

The War Times is a poisonous anti-American, pro-jihadi hate-filled far left monthly paper that began publishing in January 2002. Van Jones was instrumental in the creation of this publication and sat on its board for at least the first year and a half of its existence.

Jones will be the downfall of Obama. Just because he’s gone does not mean we should stop looking into this freak.
He may be the key to unlocking the real Barak Obama!

* A Certification of Live Birth is an abbreviated computer-generated document based on the original Certificate of Live Birth. The two documents are not identical. The former requires certification by officials issuing the short-form with a raised seal. The latter is valid on its own and contains all relevant birth information including name of hospital, delivering doctor, actual date of birth, witnesses, and local or foreign place of birth (in accordance with Statute HRS 338-17.8.).

* However, the computer-generated version of the Certification of Live Birth posted on the three sites as proof of Barack Obama’s birth in Honolulu is not valid because a caveat emptor is printed on the certification itself which warns the document loses validity if it has been revised or tampered with. The identifying Certificate No. at the top right-hand corner of the document used for tracking has been blackened out by hand with a marker, or, with a computer graphics program. To date, no proper official under oath has seen or touched a paper copy of said unaltered certification with a official raised seal, if it exists.

* FactCheck.org is a misnomer and guilty of making the incorrect claim that the “[Hawaii] Department of Health confirmed Oct. 31 that Obama was born in Honolulu…” Hawaii officials have made NO such claim. Hawaii officials have merely said they possess his original birth certificate in their vault. Many people, including his own step-sister born in Indonesia, have an original birth certificate in the Hawaiian vital records, due to law HRS 338-17.8 which expressly provides for registration of out-of-state births. A foreign birth presumably would have been recorded by the American consular of the country of birth, and presumably that would be reflected on the Hawaiian birth certificate.

* On the same web page, FactCheck also falsely states, “FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate.” In truth, the document examined by FactCheck is a 2007 computer-generated document and is obviously not the “original” Obama 1961 birth. Their statements are simply and unequivocally, false.

All the majority of “birthers” want is truth. Verifiable truth. If Osama Obama’s alleged Hawaiian birth was on the up-and-up, that’s fine. If not, it’s just another one of the many solid reasons that the Chicago Jesus is totally unqualified — not to mention unfit — to be president.

The howls of racism, when added to the stream of totalitarian thugs in the Obamintern, has stopped being even slightly amusing. As the chorus of incitement gets louder and more threatening from the lefties, it nears a point of being out of control, with unpleasant consequences to the nation following.

Why is it that lib Dems have such an aversion to reading important documents before they support them? First Congressional Democrats are incredulous that they should have to read bills before voting, and now we find out Van Jones is in the habit of signing petitions he now claims he didn’t read.

In both cases, the question is if it is simply so they can have plausible deniability, or if they are really too lazy to read.

I think that’s why they’re really upset over this whole thing. They truly believed after the election they’d be untouchable for life, or at least that James “We’re gonna be in power for 40 years!!!” Carville crap. Then the health care mess happened, and now Glenn Beck basically got one of their own kicked out of the White House. They’re in a panic.

The notion that Jones was pursued because he is black is absurd. The reality is that people like Beck went after Jones because he was the most openly radical of Obama’s advisers and if the Press had been doing its job and vetted Jones instead of running interface for Obama like the good little lap dogs that they are, then a radical Marxist revolutionary like Jones wouldn’t have gotten anywhere near the White House let alone the opportunity to preside of billions of dollars of taxpayer money.

My guess on the birth certificate thing is this: He’s probably fine, but he’s playing it as if there’s something hidden there, to make the ‘birthers’ look fringe kooks. But then again, they’ve been pretty tone deaf, politically, so there could in fact be something there. I’ve stayed on the sidelines on this one, til proven otherwise. We have plenty of other stuff to hit the guy with, including all the czars. BTW, AP, your ‘my God, it’s full of czars!’ title a couple of weeks ago was priceless! I still chuckle about that one.

Nathan, to the Left, ‘neocon’ is code word for ‘da Jooooosss’. When you read the whole context of how it’s been used, since Bush’s early days, that’s how most of them use it. Or at least they did. Dunno what they do now, they’re so off their flippin rockers on OgbabeAid.

canopfor on September 7, 2009 at 11:21 PM
I think that’s why they’re really upset over this whole thing. They truly believed after the election they’d be untouchable for life, or at least that James “We’re gonna be in power for 40 years!!!” Carville crap. Then the health care mess happened, and now Glenn Beck basically got one of their own kicked out of the White House. They’re in a panic.

Emily M. on September 7, 2009 at 11:27 PM

Emily M.: I do agree,I think Angst and Disarray is whats
happening,after Gates debacle,HealthCare,and now
Van Jones,with a boycott of Beck blowing up in
their faces,and royaly back-firing,they are be
coming trigger-shy!!!

And your right about the untouchable part,but
that as well,didn`t go according to Obama’s or
AxleRods plans!!:)