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Saturday, January 9, 2016

Will Mexico Finally Agree to Send El Chapo to the U.S.?

Perhaps the only way to keep Mexican drug lord Joaquin "El Chapo"
Guzman from escaping prison again is to ship him to the United States.

U.S. authorities have made that argument before —
the last time Guzman was arrested, in 2014. Mexico resisted, declaring
it a matter of national sovereignty and brushing aside concerns that
he'd already escaped from prison previously, in 2001.

The world knows what happened next: Guzman made a
mockery of his captors, with associates tunneling him out of a maximum
security prison in an intricately planned operation that raised
suspicions of government complicity.

His recapture Friday might make a stronger case to send him north.

Several U.S. jurisdictions want to try Guzman on
federal drug trafficking charges, including San Diego, Brooklyn, N.Y.,
El Paso, Miami and Chicago, which has named him the city's first "public
enemy No. 1" since Al Capone.

But Mexican officials have given mixed signals on the Justice Department's standing request to extradite Guzman.

A Mexican judge approved the request after Guzman's July escape, but that order was reversed.

Ultimately, the decision lies with President
Enrique Pena Nieto, who on Friday hailed Guzman's arrest as a victory
for Mexican rule of law. "Our institutions have shown once again that
the citizens can trust these institutions," Nieto said.

But Nieto is expected to face enormous pressure to extradite Guzman
to the U.S., where he would likely spend the rest of his life in prison —
with no easy treatment, law enforcement experts told NBC News.

If Guzman were to escape prison in Mexico a
third time, it could irreparably damage the government's credibility —
and rattle the already tenuous relationship between the two countries.

U.S. and Mexican authorities have worked closely
in recent years to capture Guzman, with the Obama administration
sharing sophisticated intelligence and law-enforcement firepower,
including satellites and wiretaps.

But U.S. officials have been concerned about
sharing too much information with Mexican authorities in light of
documented evidence that some have secretly fed that intelligence back
to Mexico's powerful drug trafficking organizations — including Guzman's
Sinaloa cartel.

That was especially the case after Chapo's July escape, which the U.S. warned Mexico of weeks earlier.

But the U.S. continued to help Mexico, including
playing a part in Guzman's recapture, a senior Drug Enforcement
Administration official in Washington told NBC News Friday on condition
of anonymity because of the ongoing investigation.

Michael Braun, a former chief of operations for the DEA, said he
didn't think the Mexican president would be willing to risk the chance
of Guzman escaping a Mexican prison for a third time.

"I don't think Nieto would suffer the same
embarrassment as last time, and that if (Guzman) wasn't killed (during
capture), he'd extradite him to the U.S.," Braun said.

"I hope we see him here in the U.S.,'' Braun said. "But only time will tell."

But Jimmy Gurule, a former drug prosecutor for
the U.S. Attorney's office in Los Angeles who now teaches international
criminal law at the University of Notre Dame, predicted that Nieto would
continue to resist pressure to extradite Guzman.

It's not just a question of national
sovereignty, Gurule said. There's also the possibility that Guzman, who
is notorious for bribing government officials, could divulge information
about corruption in Mexico, he said.

"From a more cynical view, I think that Mexican government officials
might be concerned that if El Chapo was extradited ... if there's any
chance he'll see the light of day or that the conditions of his
imprisonment be somewhat softened, that would require cooperation on his
part," Gurule said.

"I think there's no question he has very
valuable first-hand information regarding government corruption, and if
that information was disclosed it would be embarrassing to the Mexican
government," Gurule said.

If Nieto decided to give up Guzman, it would
raise serious security concerns in the United States and set off a
scramble among the many federal prosecutors who want first crack at him.

There is precedent, however. Alleged Mexico drug
lord Edgar "La Barbie" Valdez, former head of the Beltran Leyva cartel,
was extradited to the United States in October.

Another, Osiel Cardenas Guillen, the former head
of the Gulf cartel, was captured in 2003 and extradited to the U.S.
four years later.

98 comments:

It seems unlikely that Chapo will be extradited to US. There is too much political involvement at risk here.I think that El Chapo will have an archive to release about the relations to US authoroties and mexican dito, in case it`s needed. Don`t you think so? Over 20 years as a topnarco and that woul`d make a whole lot of secret info about this and that..

La Barbie and Osiel don`t really measure up to the same hight as Chapo and thats the reason (I think) for them to be extradited. They didn`t possessed the highest power for more than 1-2 years each.

What about Benjamin Arellano ? During his tenure as Tijuana Cartel boss, he had more solid MX political connections and exported more product than Chapo in the 90s. He got shipped out 10 years later after his capture. They will do the same to Chapo in 10 years when all his "intel" is irrevelant and a new MX government has taken office.

Well, what happen in the past stay in the past. It would be stupid not to make a deal in the near future for Chapo. I don't know why Mr.Arellano was extradited, does anyone? Maybe he cut a bad deal or don't use his intel in such way Chapo may can do, or simply just choose to shut it up?I only speculate but don't you agree that Chapos long, and strong, leadership also provided him with more intel/secrets to use then Mr. Arellano or any other mentioned? To move more products into US don't apply when CDS is moving shit all over the world as well. Or do AFO that as well..? Or Mr. Osiel C Zetas?

A lie, all el chapo has to do is repent and confess, and not to a priest necessarily, if he confesses to himself and recognizes his sins, just between him and GOD, heaven is his, forget about "hell"--On the other hand, the big risks is that mexico could demand extradition to mexico of felix ismael rodriguez for ordering the kidnapping, torture and murder of Kiki Camarena and his pilot alfredo avelar, a mexican, on top of trafficking drugs and weapons all over mexico and money, with his associate crime families X, Y & Z and the Florida banana republic mob...--The empire of the HYPOCRITES has a lot more to lose, but revenge is theirs for the taking, el chapo made too much money for himself and his associates, his "business model" is unparalled, and the greedy wants it, never mind that it is not for them to handle all that horse...

This will be really interesting to see how this pans out.The Mexican government will be damned if they do and damned if they don't.Wonder if any bookies are taking bets on this and what the odds will be at?

In la la land, mexican governing narco-mierdocracia's "credibility" can be damaged, in real life that virginity has been patched up, sewn and sold too many times as new, I remember Lucille Ball being roasted on dean Martin show about the many times she sold away her "virginity" to Hollywood moguls...--same thing with mexican government's credibility, fack'em...

No way chapo will ever set foot on US soil.. If he does, it will be to to shopping. Maybe even take his little girls to sea world or something. But never will see a prison in the US. So stop thinking about it "green goes" atte el morroñis de la palma navolato, sinaloa ajuuaa.

@elmoran "never?"just like you said he would control all the plazas in 2016? His freedom is over just like CDS is over. Time to make way for the new independent players. Mexico is now taking over management!

Whether you like it or not the CDS will not fall it has to many cogs turning and moving one my break or stop but as a machine it keeps on moving and producing more people to fill the void left by the others

I believe his sons and closest associates are currently planning the quickest and efficient escape right now. His lawyers have been calling everyone in their phonebook asking for the returned favors they are owed.

We will never know if it was him the first time they caught him and this time also. Unless we listen to his voice we wont ever know for sure. There is a video or was on youtube were you could hear him talking.

@1:06, if, you listen to the voice in this Chapoo video, it is a younger man's voice, not someone's in their late 50's. There are no traces of Sinaloa's suave "sh" pronunciation for the letter "s," the speaking voice in the video lacks the cadence and sing-song quality attributed to Spanish spoken in Mexico. Mexican Spanish is richly idiomatic, there's no evidence of this in the interview subject's vocabulary choices and phrasing, either.

They have many in communities dying of herion.Small places like New Hampshire where ppl don't talk about the economy but herion overdoses.It's pressure on the feds to do something.If ppl weren't dying in droves and Chapo just stuck to pot they might let it slide and they did do that for years.

El Chapo also has valuable information about U.S. intelligence and law enforcement agencies, disclosure of which would be embarrassing to the U.S. governnent. Face it, for many reasons, some people in this world need legal and illegal drugs to survive. Therefore , if the flow of drugs suddenly stops, the result is violent crime, social unrest, and chaos. The flow of drugs will never stop. The capture of El Chapo will not in any way reduce that flow of drugs.

But is Azul confirmed dead after he`s "heartattack"..? As I understand it he`s not confirmed dead by gob. He was, supposedly dead, and cremated by his family and there was a funeral.But there has also been many cases to fake your own death to escape the radar, right..?I woul`d like to see any other proof that El Azul actually is dead befora I change my mind.

Why is no one reporting the 10 marines who die at this operation? One of them was my brother he got kill by chapo especial forcez ,i dont know why they only said one marine got injured wtf it was 10 of them but like alwas the goverment say only what they want

Lying scum. So were were they hit by bullets or explosives? At least make it believable. I think people in mochis would have noticed and the marines would have left some proof on chapos face of that. So how did these sicarios caught by surprise at 4:00am in darkness manage to kill 10 elite soldiers you should know more if its true.

Chapo Guzman has to much Intel to divulge about all the corrupt on both sides of the border for Mexico to ever allow him to set foot on U.S. soil. I'm surprised he wasn't killed in order to guarantee his silence. As a matter of fact, I think what the soldier that twisted his head to the left was really trying to do was break it. It took Mexico 10 yrs. before Min was extradited and Rafa was never. Chapo probably has more money than those two and he knows too much. No extradition for the foreseeable future. At the end of the day, this charade called the drug war will continue for the foreseeable future. After the corrupt authorities still need their bribes, or at least have them trickle down to them, drug addicts/consumers need their illegal narcotics, DEA agents need work, and bankers need to get their laundering fix on. As the ole saying goes : the show must go on! - alias El Niño de la Tuna

The Empire and its EPN minion have too much to hide!Fast and Furious will look like a church picnic if Chapo opens the can of worms! The Empire's soldiers had poo poo in their panties when Vincente started to open his can of worms!Hilarious fact!

Agree! Fast and Furious will be a bedtimestory compared to what Chapo Guzman have to say, if he wants! It`s not likely he will extradited with all the intel he can reveal! Rather there is or will be some sort of deal in MX for Chapo. I don`t even think the US really want him in US soil because of all the intel he gathered over the years..It`s just a show going on.

They will extradite El Sapo when EPN is no longer president. For now, they will lock him up with tighter security. He will still be allowed to get his conjugal visits from el morronis de de las palmas navolato Sinaloa

This recapture actually makes Mexico look worse. Mexico was helped by the impression that El Chapo didn't really "escape," the government didn't really want him in custody. Corrupt, but not incompetent.

With this recapture, it brings attention back to the escape, that now looks more like a real, bold, escape from a "supermax" prison. This paints the PRI government as incompetent (and, off course, corrupt). But PRI was supposed to be all about competence.

Sometimes it sounds like he's being sarcastic, when he says he can't read or write. But in the middle, when he's talking about his father and his family, he breaks down and starts crying. He sounds like he means it:

I am reading all the speculating on here and have found there are many idiots on here. Even if this moron has Intel on either government, which no one knows what he knows for certain. No one will ever know. The news is only told what the governments tell them. He is a criminal in every facet and its his word against folks he may never be able t prove are criminals. This man was not as intellectual-and keen as La Tuta who video taped everything for future reference. You know how man criminals who supposedly had information in the past? It makes no difference. When it boils down to it he will be in jail, most likely the US. His sons can tweet all they want but will never get him out either. He will not have the luxuries he was granted in Mexico. It is tiring to hear the stupid speculations of this and that. This man is not famous to either government. He is a criminal just like Bin Laden. He will be punished and that is that. It is no longer about him, it is about the thousands that died at the hands of him and his cartel and the need to get them justice. All the pain he caused for greed. Mexico did not catch him GOD caught him to teach all of us there is no one to be compared to him!

And he will have to kill 750 more years uninterrupted to equal half the murderous European descendants have killed. There's a reason for Walgreen on every major corner in the south, Duane reade in the north and CVS in the west. European people created pharmaceutical drugs for the purpose of mass killings and let's not forget the poison ass food supply to keep you dying a slow death in the form of Cancer and every other natural European disease that now affects all other people at an alarming rate. Murderous warlords in the name of GOD or should I say in the name of the GOD THEY WORSHIP aka SATAN.Iraq, Iran,Syria,and no other nations asked these murderous beast for no help in freeing them. They were killingf or oil and they are killing by the millions with their bombs. So El Chapo has to get his shit together if he wants to be known as a murderer on the level of the same white man that has raped his native land also. So condemn your own before you try others....

That's ok, El Chapo only wanted to be with his family for Christmas anyway. Now as far as him getting extradited, I don't think so. Why let go the cash cow when it's giving you thousands in free milk. Read between the lines.

Chivis and Co. There is a story circulating around the web of how actor Sean Penn and MX actress Kate del Castillo led the Feds to nab Chapo. Apparently, Sean Penn met with Chapo in MX to have a sit down to talk. I assume Mr. Guzman wanted an interview also since his comrade Mr.Zambada had one. Kate del Castillo helped organize the encounter. She ain't the first actress with Narco ties.

Kate del castillo cares more about mexico than epn and his court of mexican ass kissing murderers, treasury robbers and their court jesters, and she believes el chapo is a better person too, she is no pendeja, she must have a lot of reasons, and Sean Penn too, he may want to expose mexican government corruption in all its glory, Gael Garcia Bernal and Jorge Ramos have other prior "compromises"

El Chapo, is just another pawn in the US drug war. Just like every dealer across the US , no matter how much money he made, it was not enough. Anybody with a brain can see you can't stop demand. The war on drugs has only increased street level prices, and as direct result, increased the crimes against the person. Users have no legal way to support their habits. Anyone ever heard a user say it's to expensive to get high, I'm quitting?

We will demand it and Mexico will do it because they won't want us to stop handing them money. Plain and simple. But when he is in a US jail, then if he escapes he will truly be a legend. Not that impressive to escape a Mexican jail with a billion dollars.

Even if he did escape from a US jail(very unlikely), they would put cities on lockdown to find him. Look what happened when they wanted to catch the Boston bombers. There is a reason Affluenza boy went to Mexico, cause there is nowhere to hide in the US.

Chapo was like the CEO officer of a corporation. He has the last word but the board of directors can pretty much manage by themselves. To loose a CEO is a setback though. Add that to the list loosing a COO el Cholo Ivan and its pretty hard to not suffer from both losses. At least in the drug game where countless enemies lurk waiting for their chance for a literal "hostile takeover". Not to mention the violent power struggles within. A co CEO like Zambada truly must posses the skills in order for his "corporation" to survive!

Think--The Pope might stop by for an audience with Chapo. Born again might help his defense--right!

What do you think: Due to what I hear Chapo has too much influence (money)and secrets as if holding a big marker.

Will the deal be--civil in US--forfeit a few billion. With imprisonment in Mexico for twenty years. The sentence will then be vacated to a shorter one or Chapo's lawyers will appeal and work deals. Bet he is free within a few years if stays in Mexico.

The money he has gives him big leverage. That is all they really want--US wants forfeiture for purchase of more weapons. Again weapons over a cure for powerful non-treatable medical conditions.

Lmao.....mexico reversed its decision to extradite el chapo.........chapo will never face charges here....just as caro quintero was never extradited.....funny how chapo can be found but caro flies under the radar.....