<Continued from
earlier post>... finding voice actors in other
series. This one both is and isn't a guilty pleasure.
For one thing, you may watch a popular anime series,
like Cowboy Bebop, and take a liking to the guy playing
the role of Spike Spiegel (who, in the dubbed version,
is David Lucas). Then, while watching the Gundam Movie
Trilogy, you suddenly find him playing the role of Char
Aznable. That's one of the great things about anime:
finding a familiar voice actor in another anime series.
Some of those familiar VAs include:

Eric Stewart, who does the voice for Brock on
Pokemon, also plays Gourry in The Slayers, and one of
the students in Here Is Greenwood.

Amanda Winn-Lee, who does the voice of Rei Ayanami in
Neon Genesis Evangelion, also provides the voices for
Captain Tita in Plastic Little, Rio Kinezono in Burn-Up
W, Yuna in Galaxy Frauline Yuna, and a whole mess of
other characters in various series released by ADV
Films.

Lia Sargent, who provides the voice of Millie
Thompson in Trigun, also does voices for Akari Kanzaki
in Battle Athletes, R. Dorothy Wainwright in The Big O,
and Chun-Li in Street Fighter Alpha.

And this doesn't just apply to anime. The voice
actors of the original Japanese Dragonball series also
provide numerous voices for all of the characters in
Tech Romancer (for Dreamcast).

However, this doesn't mean that all anime with
familiar VAs is necessarily good. Some bad titles that
come to mind are Art of Fighting (Eric Stuart played
Jack and Veronica Kent [who's also the VA for Ash
Ketchum from Pokemon] was Yuri Sakazaki]), Wild Cardz
(real-life anime idol Apollo Smile played Coco Clubs),
and Ninja Cadets (the aforementioned Lia Sargent was the
VA for Matsuri).

Where do you get off,
my friend? Have you even seen any Gundam outside of
Wing?

Where to start, where to start...~mumbles to
self~

Anyway, deeper characters in Wing?
WTF?(Forgive the rather crewd expression.) Wing's major
characters are about as deep as the nameless Leo pilots
they blow to hell every episode. They aren't affected by
very much at all. All they seem to do is spout speeches
that take up half an episode(add the fact that the
"speeches" are usually just random nonsense). They have
no motivation other than the fact that they seem to
enjoy watching things explode. On the other hand, a
majority of characters on the UC side of the Gundam
Universe have motivation, have a soul. You can feel for
them(unlike Wings emotionless cardboard cut-outs).

The mecha in Wing, are too damn flashy. Mobile Suits
are weapons of war, not showpieces. Add the fact that
they seem to be able to take heavy enemy fire in one
episode and emerge undamaged, yet in the next they take
heavy damage. It's called plot contrivance, my friend.
It's far to inconsistent, for my taste.

Drama is definently something Wing lacks. Wing can
never compare to any series directed by Tomino, or for
that matter, any UC series at all.(Well, ZZ did
suck...but, we shall not discuss that now.) No main
character ever dies, in Wing.(Except for Trieze, but you
don't really feel for him, either.) I never felt for any
character in Wing, because I knew they would survive. In
war people die. In Universal Century Gundam, main
characters die. In my opinion that is a much more
accurate depiction of war. And is much more dramatic.

Gundam was created to depict war, and show that well,
war is hell. Tell me if Wing, with all its bioshounen,
and indestructible Gundams does that.

And I'll
post more later...because it's late, and I'm a bit
dusty, as far as my ranting goes.(I haven't been
involved in a Wing vs. UC debate in a LONG time.)

Side Note: Please forgive any spelling or grammar
errors. ~glares at Portugy~ I'm tired at the moment(I
haven't slept well lately, and am in a fairly bad mood,
at the moment).

We all truly know UC
is better than Wing and those Alternate timeline Gundam
shows, but I wont bring up that disscusion again. Zeta
was the best! I have yet to fully see Char's counter
attack, but ive heard the fight w/ Amuro and Char was
pretty cool.

So Char, watch any other anime other than Gundam? or
are you an mecha anime "otaku"?

But, yes, I enjoy
anime outside of Gundam. I'm currently buying both the
Trigun and Cowboy Bebop DVDs, and I'm getting into EVA
as well. I've also been a fan of the original Macross
for quite some time. And of course, I'm a Dragon
Ball/Dragon Ball Z fan. I enjoy random anime movies as
well. Yep.

And yes, the fight between Amuro and Char is very
cool. I was rooting for Char...but...well, you know how
it ends. Also, Zeta is the best!

It will be the
ultimate test for FUNImation when the Dragonball anime
comes to video. Once I saw a episode in Japanese where
Launch beats the crap out of the Red Ribbon army and
then flicks a guy off, and says F*** you, you Basta**.
We will be watching you Funimation, and to see once and
for all if the anime is really "uncensord".

on an unrelated
note...how DID funi handle the references to kami as
god? was the joke "there is no god at the moment" (or
something like that) just removed? i havent watched the
dubs in a long time....but i havent been
watching/reading anything for a long time

------------------~There is no black or white,
there is only grey.[br]My
toys

If you actually read
all/most of these pages, you will actually find some
usefull info.

Random anime/manga news:-Viz has picked up the
rights for Kodomo no Omocha (Childs toy) manga, so I
would guess the anime is pretty close to being picked
up.

-Looks like FUNI is going for the rights to bring One
Piece to the US, I'm actually excited at the thought. I
would hope that one of the best shows ever gets shown
around here, everyone is missing out.

Thats all ive got for now. and now why I think Zeta
Gundam is the best Gundam series.

Story: well its good, I dont want to say too much or
I may spoil something.Characters: you get Char and
Amuro, plus a good set of new chacters like
Kamiru.Mobile suits: Rick Dias,Zeta,Hyaku Shiki and
the MK's, I could go on...

After CN airs the original Gundam, I would think
there's a good chance Zeta shows up sometime.

Ah, so you've
arrived. Well then. Your argument is strong, but you
underestiamted Wing.

No motivation> Heero wants to destroy everything
because J turned him into a soulless war machine. That's
motivation for you. Duo fights for Hilde and L2, his
home. They took him in and raised him, he needs to pay
them back. Motivation? Yees. Trowa fights for Catherine,
the one person who cares about him. Quatre fights for
his family, his colony (he is a prince/king) and the
Maganac. Wufei fights mostly for Nataku, but deep down
he wants to help Sally as well. Indeed.

I have read Gundam 0079 vol. 1 and seen 0083 and
0080. Tomorrow the original MSG series begins, so I'll
be watching that.

Take a look at Amuro, from Gundam 0079. What the HELL
kind of motivation, depth, etc is THAT? He piloted the
thing 'cause he uhh... wanted to save the world? Oh,
wow. Depth at it's deepest. Char has a bit of
motivation, I'm sure you know all about it (and I don't
wanna hear it.)

Wing's mecha was a hell of a lot better drawn than
the other series'. Flashy my ass, char. No matter how
the hell flashy they look, it doesn't matter. It's great
art and a huge step up for Gundam. I'll use Heavyarms
Custom as my example. Take a look at the intricacy on
the leg. The panel lines are perfectly placed, and every
last detail on the leg guns are there. It takes mad
skill to do that. And on the body? I love the way they
decided to make the chest openers have guns on the
inside as well. You can never have too much guns. Never.
I was a little dissapointed that the hand blade was
gone, but I was happier when I found that the shoulder
had three sets of guns. Nii~ce.

Compare this suit to Char's Zaku. Very poor detail on
the legs - the panel lines barely show up, and they
don't go in comparison with the shape of the leg. The
artist failed to realize that metal pieces can't come
that big. Need more lines, and possibly show the screws
or whatnot. The weapons are poorly designed - a shoulder
spike thingy, a square shield and a bazooka? Oh, wait, a
beam aze. WOW. @_@ At least Wing has a good set of
weapons! Check out the weapons on the Tallgeeses. Two
beam sabers (I like how it cxan hold them at the same
time as it's [sweet] beam cannon.) It has guns on the
side of it's head (so does Gundam, but still...)
Tallgeese III even has a heat-rod!

Oh, and Char? If you're looking for "too flashy," you
might want to see Full-Armor Double Z. I think that's on
the... UC side?

Feh. Chat, pick ONE series to go against Wing. A one
on one series battle. It seems a bit unfair for you to
have 17+ series against my mear 2 or 3.

P.S.: This is nothing, Kappa. The PNMB had a 37-page
long "This post will always stay on the top of the
board!" thread.

Heero's motivation is
that he is a souless war machine? That's not motivation,
my friend, that's character description. He rarely shows
emotion, and is generally about as intersting as
nameless Leo Pilot #906. Duo fights for Hilde? He didn't
meet Hilde until around half way through the series(I
may be wrong, I haven't watched Wing, in months.) What
was his motivation beforehand? He's too damn
carefree(Don't give me that B.S. about him being
severely troubled "deep down inside"). Quatre is the
only pilot that comes close to showing emotion, I'll
give you that. Trowa is just well, boring as hell. He
seems far to much like Heero. Wufei is well, just plain
messed up. With his sense of justice. I believe someone
at Gundam Project's board best summed up his sense of
justice in someting very much like the
following."You are weak, because you let the strong
opress, you""Yet, you, who call yourself strong, are
actually week, because you opress the weak, who are in
actuality strong, because their full potential is never
realized, because you opress them. Because of this, you
are weak. Yet, you are strong because you opress others,
displaying your strength." And so on. Enough babble
about that though.

And you say Amuro has no motivation? Lets see, the
Zeon tore his life apart, when they atacked Side 7. He
was forced to watch innocent civilians killed. His
father, who turns up later, has brain damage, due to
lack of oxygen.(He was sucked out of the colony through
a breach in one of the walls, and if I remember, Amuro
created this hole, during his battle with the two
Zakus.) I believe he has damn plenty of reasons to hate
the Zeon. Don't get started on Char? What the hell makes
you think I'm going to pass this chance up? I'm sure you
know Char's history(the assasination of his father by
the Zabis and so on). Char my friend, wants revenge.
Does this sound a little like someone from Gundam Wing?
This is why so many UC fans, claim Zechs is a ripoff of
Char. Char vowed revenge, Zechs vowed revenge. Both have
younger sisters, who don't agree with what their
brothers are doing. Both have their own respective
nicknames(Lighting Count, Red Comet). My, Wing sure is
original, neh?

Wing's mecha drawn better than the other series?
Zeta(better designed mecha than Wing), 0083(Much better
animation that Wing), The 8th MS Team(which, I might
add, is newer than Wing, and its animation blows Wing
away. But yes, it is an OAV), and several other UC
series and OAVs have much better drawn and designed
mecha.

Were you bashing 0079's animation? The mecha and
animation for MSG were the best there were at the time
of its release. Yes, some of the MS in 0079, aren't
drawn realistically, but they're much different from the
Super Robots than ran rampant through mecha anime at
that time period. Also, Wing is one of the worst
animated Gundam series out there. So many frames are
re-used it's not even funny...and in general Wing's
animation isn't that great.(Endless Waltz, on the other
hand, had some great animation, but I still didn't care
for it much.)

And Tallgeese having more weapons
makes Wing superior? That's one of the most ignorant
things that has come out of your mouth(or in this case,
you typed). Char's Zaku has its standard Machine Gun,
its heathawk, and the optional missile pods that can be
attached to the side of its legs. And if you wish, I can
name every MS in the UC Timeline that could blow the
Tallgeese away with their respective weapons.

And yes, the ZZ is on the UC side of Gundam. But as I
already said, Double Zeta, well, just plain sucks.

Bah, you must have learned quite a bit from that 1st
volume of MSG manga, 0080, and 0083...

I have seventeen series to choose from? Eh, go check
again.

Now for my part....{insert dramatic music here}

Wings battles and overall feel- I was under the
impression that Gundam was a war story...not a Super
Robot Show. The original Mobile Suit Gundam(for
example), had the feel of a real war(in fact, it has
many similarities to World War II). Wing on the other
hand, seems like a Super Robot Show. One MS wipes out
some 50 Leos, in three seconds...really exciting. In the original Mobile
Suit Gundam, the Gundam didn't win the war, the
3,000(some will have you believe it was just 300, don't
listen to those people) plus GMs and Federation Ground
troops did. In Wing, the Gundams are basicaly the whole
army...real realistic.

Mobile Suit Gundam= Story
about war, and its effects on the human race as a whole.

Gundam Wing= Super Robot Show with the name
"Gundam"(my family will have you believe its called
Gunga Wing, though...strange people.) slapped on it.

Side Note: Forgive any Typos, I believe I got
most of them, but still...there may be a few in there.

Also, don't get offended, if I come off sounding down
right rude. It's nothing personal. I just get emotional
when it comes to my beloved UC Gundam. It's just the UC
Elitist side of me at work, I guess.

I've seen the entire
first series, and I must say I really enjoyed it. It had
an eclectic mix of comedy, action (see the last five
episodes of the first series and you'll see why), and
lovable characters (Lina Inverse being my favorite, with
Gourry Gabriev and Amelia close behind). Eventually, I'm
going to get around to checking out the other series
(Slayers Next and Slayers Try), as well as the OVAs
(Slayers: Dragon Slave and Slayers: Explosion Array),
and the movie. All of the first series is available as a
DVD box set, and if you look hard enough, you can get it
for under $110.

Today I recieved Trigun Maximum Vol. 5 "Break Out".
This is my first "real" manga, not counting doujinshi.
Anywho, I open it up to see a few things I've heard
about: Namely, Zazie gtting macked, Midvalley getting
macked, Angel Arms, and Legato. Here's the rundown:

1. Zazie getting macked: Not at all as bad as I
thought. The guts that splatter out of him are dark and
don't show much. Plus, the look on his face is great.

2. Midvalley getting macked: Lots of blood spray from
him getting shot in the chest. He also gets grinded by
Legato's bike in the chest and that sprays a lot. Later,
when Legato reanimates the corpse, there's always a
shadow covering the wound, which is very nice of Mr.
Nightow because otherwise I'd have to puke.

3. Angel Arms: Eeeeeeewwwwwwwwww! They're one of my
greatest fears that I posted : nasty amagralms of eyes,
mouths, and fingers. Plus there's a really gross scene
when they rip through what looks like flesh. That's
gross.

4. Legato is UGLY in a lot of scenes. Which he
shouldn't be. Because he's cool looking when he's evil,
with the hair covering his eyes and a evil smile.

Here's some bouns items:

5. Legato's bearer is GROSS. It has these sharp teeth
and is all ugly and stuff. Plus there's a close up of it
when Elendira (who's hella cool) fires one of her nails
into the top of the thing's skull. The thing has it's
mouth open too so you see it going THROUGH THE MOUTH AND
TOUNGE, which is quite nasty to look at.

6. The Beast (Zazie's new form after he gets
macked)is quite easy on the eyes if you catch my drift.
That's just my opinion.

7. I don't like manga Milly's design AT ALL. She's
too blond, her hair's too short, and her oufit is just
plain wretched.

Final verdict: Nightow has a very warped style and a
strange facination with things that I fear. He's an
exelent writer, very philosophical and poetic. I much
prefer the anime's artwork.

Recomendations:Manga fan: Borrow before
buying.Trigun fan under 15: Wait till you've seen
some more graphic anime.Trigun fan over 15: Pick up
when you're done the anime.

------------------Friendship. Trust.
Desire. Hatred. You all carry too many
unnecessary burdens. Only. One. Thing:Absolute
devotion to Him,ought to be all you need. -Legato
Bluesummers, Trigun

[This message has been edited by Legato Bluesummers
(edited 06-04-2001).]