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Re: OH WOW! Disney's Peter Pan cartoon = American "ecchi"

It's blatant "softcore". I'm not sure how this was even allowed to be in a cartoon for kids! I say lockup Mr Disney and everyone who worked on this cartoon, and throw away the key, because they are perverts.

Japanese anime that has stuff like this is usually rated for teens and older, and are not meant as shows/movies for little kids like Peter Pan is.

Re: OH WOW! Disney's Peter Pan cartoon = American "ecchi"

Originally Posted by Jasanime

oh please, nothing 'ecchi' about that!

Yeah, you say seductively sexy mermaids wearing little to no clothing, and moving in ways and striking poses that tend to look erotic/alluring aren't "ecchi"? Ecchi is simply the Japanese word meaning "lewd" or "indecent", and if this were an anime it would MOST CERTAINLY be classified as "ecchi" by anime fans. I will admit it doesn't rise to the level of hentai (literally meaning "perverted"), but this specific scene in this Disney cartoon MOST CERTAINLY is "ecchi".

Re: OH WOW! Disney's Peter Pan cartoon = American "ecchi"

Originally Posted by MegaAnimeFan

It's blatant "softcore". I'm not sure how this was even allowed to be in a cartoon for kids! I say lockup Mr Disney and everyone who worked on this cartoon, and throw away the key, because they are perverts.

Japanese anime that has stuff like this is usually rated for teens and older, and are not meant as shows/movies for little kids like Peter Pan is.

An extract from Wikipedia:

"Ecchi (or Etchi, from the Japanese エッチ etchi)comes from the Japanese word meaning "lewd", "sexy", "pervert", or "naughty" when used as an adjective, or it can mean to have sexual intercourse when it is used as a verb or noun. The English use of this word is usually used in manga and anime and it is used when the anime or manga has sexual content, such as skimpy clothing or partial or full nudity, but does not show sexual intercourse.

Ecchi anime usually contains a lot of fan service or nudity, sometimes both. Ecchi anime is also sometimes filled with innuendo and sexual humor. Ecchi anime doesn’t show sex, at least not in a graphical way. Ecchi anime is more similar to an R rated movie with a lot of sexual overtones, such as American Pie."

Now then, let's take a look at that clip you posted:

Sexual content: The mermaids are not doing anything sexual here at all; they're either grooming themselves, enjoying their surroundings, or, in the instance of Peter Pan's arrival, merely flirting--basically, they're behaving according to what one would naturally expect of mermaids (if not typical teenage girls). The mermaid scene in Peter Pan is also fairly consistent with how mermaids are generally portrayed in folklore, which is to say, as mischievous and flirtacious beings. Some myths and legends even portray mermaids as devious or evil sea creatures; these include tales of "monsters" who use their half-human appearance to attract and decieve hapless sailors; those unlucky enough to fall in love with them find themselves pulled underwater and consequently to their deaths. The scene of the mermaids in the clip is romanticised somewhat, but could hardly be considered erotic.

Skimpy clothing: Technically yes, since the mermaids are wearing only "bras" (okay, not all of them, but there's not a single instance of fully exposed breasts here); but they'd be acting out of character if they were to be wearing things such as tops, blouses or skirts--and it'd be neither natural nor practical given their aquatic preferences.

Partial/Full nudity: Not really, since the mermaids' breasts are covered at all times and scales (along with fur and feathers) are generally percieved as natural clothing.

Now putting the above observations aside, yes--it's possible that the people who worked on Peter Pan might have been all perverts; however this doesn't change the fact that there's no "ecchi" in the film (or at least in the clip you provided). Adults of course are free to interpret Peter Pan any way they like, including a scene of flirtacious mermaids as something that says more about their way of thinking than the film itself.

Re: OH WOW! Disney's Peter Pan cartoon = American "ecchi"

Originally Posted by MegaAnimeFan

Yeah, you say seductively sexy mermaids wearing little to no clothing, and moving in ways and striking poses that tend to look erotic/alluring aren't "ecchi"? Ecchi is simply the Japanese word meaning "lewd" or "indecent", and if this were an anime it would MOST CERTAINLY be classified as "ecchi" by anime fans. I will admit it doesn't rise to the level of hentai (literally meaning "perverted"), but this specific scene in this Disney cartoon MOST CERTAINLY is "ecchi".

you are one very lonely guy, aren't you?
Ariel is erotic? For real dude? So first you like watching 10yr olds getting raped, and now you're shwankin' it to the Little Mermaid.

you probably look sorta like this guy

I assume this cuz you seem to find anything thats feminine enough to choke your chicken to.
How about Old Gregg? (he has a mangina! Plenty to satisfy you, i think.)

Re: OH WOW! Disney's Peter Pan cartoon = American "ecchi"

Originally Posted by Neukifly

An extract from Wikipedia:

"Ecchi (or Etchi, from the Japanese エッチ etchi)comes from the Japanese word meaning "lewd", "sexy", "pervert", or "naughty" when used as an adjective, or it can mean to have sexual intercourse when it is used as a verb or noun. The English use of this word is usually used in manga and anime and it is used when the anime or manga has sexual content, such as skimpy clothing.

Yes they are wearing SKIMPY CLOTHING! Yes it covers all the important parts, but that does not mean that it's not SKIMPY. A lot of skin is showing! THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF SKIMPY! You DO NOT need to have an exposed "bad part" for the clothing to be defined as skimpy. This is almost the strongest form of ecchi. The only way it could be MORE ECCHI is if they lost their tops altogether.

Also partial nudity because of how skimpy even bra/bikintops covered. I mean those BARELY covered even what they needed to. Like change one of them by an inch and the nipple would show. I mean one of them had actual implied nudity. One of them wasn't wearing ANY top that is implied by the fact her hair ALWAYS just "happened" to fall in front of her breasts. She had NO CLOTHING AT ALL, and ONLY had hair to cover her. That is at the very least partial nudity, or you could say full nudity with hair to cover the nudity. Another one was only being covered with a flower necklace that just "coincidentally" fell in front of her breasts in EVERY scene she was in. Again, this counts as partial nudity.

And the ONLY way stuff like this is considered kid-friendly is because kids at the age it's aimed at (like 5 to 8 yo kids) are not of pubescent age, so they don't have a sex drive, and therefore such scenes are not seen by these children as sexual scenes. In other words, the target audience isn't turned on by it. But I guaranty you anyone who's reached the age where they see "chicks" as "hot", (in other words teenage boys, and adults), ABSOLUTELY WILL BE TURNED ON by the mermaids in that scene. And I know this, using myself as an example, because I'm an adult, and I can assure you that this scene with the almost naked (and some who in fact appear to be naked) mermaids DOES turn me on.

You see it's a double intent scene. The makers knew little kids would watch it without seeing it as sexual (cause they wouldn't know what "sexual" even is yet) and just see it as a funny scene with fish people, while teens and adults would watch it and "get off" to it. It was done this way intentionally (I believe) to reach a wide audience of not only children, but also teens and adults. The people at the Disney company knew teens and adults would use it for "fap material", just like Japanese teens and adults use hentai and ecchi anime for "fap material".

While I do believe I was mistaken before in calling it softcore porn, I do think that it ALMOST rises to that level. The only thing that separates it from softcore is that no nipples are shown, as the poses the mermaids are in are most certainly seductive, and they are ALMOST not wearing anything at all.

Re: OH WOW! Disney's Peter Pan cartoon = American "ecchi"

Originally Posted by MegaAnimeFan

Yes they are wearing SKIMPY CLOTHING! Yes it covers all the important parts, but that does not mean that it's not SKIMPY. A lot of skin is showing! THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF SKIMPY! You DO NOT need to have an exposed "bad part" for the clothing to be defined as skimpy. This is almost the strongest form of ecchi. The only way it could be MORE ECCHI is if they lost their tops altogether.

Also partial nudity because of how skimpy even bra/bikintops covered. I mean those BARELY covered even what they needed to. Like change one of them by an inch and the nipple would show. I mean one of them had actual implied nudity. One of them wasn't wearing ANY top that is implied by the fact her hair ALWAYS just "happened" to fall in front of her breasts. She had NO CLOTHING AT ALL, and ONLY had hair to cover her. That is at the very least partial nudity, or you could say full nudity with hair to cover the nudity. Another one was only being covered with a flower necklace that just "coincidentally" fell in front of her breasts in EVERY scene she was in. Again, this counts as partial nudity.

And the ONLY way stuff like this is considered kid-friendly is because kids at the age it's aimed at (like 5 to 8 yo kids) are not of pubescent age, so they don't have a sex drive, and therefore such scenes are not seen by these children as sexual scenes. In other words, the target audience isn't turned on by it. But I guaranty you anyone who's reached the age where they see "chicks" as "hot", (in other words teenage boys, and adults), ABSOLUTELY WILL BE TURNED ON by the mermaids in that scene. And I know this, using myself as an example, because I'm an adult, and I can assure you that this scene with the almost naked (and some who in fact appear to be naked) mermaids DOES turn me on.

You see it's a double intent scene. The makers knew little kids would watch it without seeing it as sexual (cause they wouldn't know what "sexual" even is yet) and just see it as a funny scene with fish people, while teens and adults would watch it and "get off" to it. It was done this way intentionally (I believe) to reach a wide audience of not only children, but also teens and adults. The people at the Disney company knew teens and adults would use it for "fap material", just like Japanese teens and adults use hentai and ecchi anime for "fap material".

While I do believe I was mistaken before in calling it softcore porn, I do think that it ALMOST rises to that level. The only thing that separates it from softcore is that no nipples are shown, as the poses the mermaids are in are most certainly seductive, and they are ALMOST not wearing anything at all.

Re: OH WOW! Disney's Peter Pan cartoon = American "ecchi"

Originally Posted by MegaAnimeFan

while teens and adults would watch it and "get off" to it. It was done this way intentionally (I believe) to reach a wide audience of not only children, but also teens and adults. The people at the Disney company knew teens and adults would use it for "fap material", just like Japanese teens and adults use hentai and ecchi anime for "fap material".

YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY SICK AND TWISTED.

No normal teen or adult would "get off" to something like that. It's a friggin cartoon for crying out loud. Without much showing anyways. I watched these movies, as a kid. Didn't think anything of it. I watch these movies as an adult I STILL DO NOT THINK ANYTHING OF IT. You are making me very VERY upset right now.

I work for disney and your arguments are just incorrect and don't apply to anyone but you. I think you and fellow screwed up people are the ONLY ones who could/would even try to get off on stuff such as this, and they should never be considered the majority. I'm sure you're one of those creeps who would do horrible horrible things to that pink haired girl from lazy town that all the pedos love.

Re: OH WOW! Disney's Peter Pan cartoon = American "ecchi"

Uhm... mermaids are supposed to be man seducing strumpets. Their nature has been toned down since it's a children's film which is why they're 'covered up', but children wouldn't respond to them in a sexual nature nor readily think of them in such a way so moot point. Keep in mind that really young kids often bathe with their parents and some would have younger siblings and see their mum breastfeeding. Not all nudity is gratuitous and bad, get over it.

Re: OH WOW! Disney's Peter Pan cartoon = American "ecchi"

Originally Posted by OminousCloud

Not all nudity is gratuitous and bad, get over it.

OP also isn't aware how public view on such things has changed over the years. Like how once upon a time women had absolutely no votes, or how once upon a time people of black race were slaves. Woe betide that when these movies were produced it was considered acceptable by the general public to have a limited amount of stomach visible on a cartoon female character! Woe betide that even in modern times the general public's consensus on such things as this is ... god is there a word more indifferent than 'meh'? I really want to know.