stryker wrote:i kind of agree Vicious....Keefy makes a lot of yards but he could make even more if he ran it hard.

He does jog it up a lot..

It's not just him, except for Dwyer I don't think any of our forwards run the ball hard at the line. Sometimes Ellis does, but they either get the ball flat footed or jog it up there and then leg drive to go forward. Heighington does that a lot. Fifita is always flat footed for some reason. Ellis is not getting the ball at speed, is often flat footed since his return.

Ever since the Rabbitohs game, Dwyer has been running hard at the line non-stop.

Ellis this year has been half the player he was last year and that is being generous - I think its probably the injuries but he has been the real dissapointment this year in attack mainly but also in defence

7 of our forwards were good . 1 was poor ... and we got owned ,,,,,are you just geeing us up ? you could not have watched this game

They weren't on fire but I don't think that was the problem. It was a grinding game which doesn't seem to suit Fifita. Ellis is just coming back as was Gibbs & Fulton. Dwyer tried hard.

I think we lost because Lockyer was on fire. Hodges & Yow Yee owned Ayshford and Benji.There were a number of factors but I don't blame the forwards.

Brisbane looked a well drilled squad. We did not but we have had a lot of injuries plus our top two players really didn't perform.

It showed us how many holes we have in our team at this point. That can change.

As I just stated in my above post, the Broncos ran the ball much harder than we did & tackled much harder than we did.
I can tell you it`s not Benji`s job to be running the ball hard & tackling hard, he`s the one who creates the majority of our points once the rest of the team are doing their job. Now i`ll tell you that ONLY 2 of our forwards constantly run hard & tackle hard & dominate the play the ball, they are Gareth Ellis & Simon Dwyer and then I read some people bagging Simon Dwyer??? Unbelievable!!!

We got dominated by their forwards, our tackling and wrap up of the ball was terrible, SO many offloads in the first 20. Benji kicked for touch after 25 minutes, we were tired. This, btw, was directly after a 20m tap, where we sucked in some air. The next set we conceded the Thaiday try with the Yow Yeh linebreak.

Honestly, not only did they seem to not be aggressive, they tired early. I don't know what the hell is going on, but if you consider Souths buckled, we haven't played good footy since Lawrence did his hip. Not saying its the reason, just interesting that literally the minute he got taken off the field our performances in general have gone way downhill.

i actually think we are building a very nice forward pack - ellis was injured and fulton lacking match fitness last night - but the future is good

gibbs - line speed and aggro in defence
galloway - realising his potential as a big unit!
fifita - off the bench please where he can swat away opposition players like flies
dwyer - love him running onto the ball at speed
fulton - tackles and tackles and tackles
payten - he is a true leader (but ageing obviously)
heighno - workhorse
ellis - love his defence. you can hear the hits from the stands!

hybrid_tiger wrote:I can't believe the criticism of KG. 150 meters in a beaten side. Watch the game FFS.

We have absolutely zero go forward when he is off the field. None.

^^^^^^^^^^this

Galloway and Woods...the future

I agree. I always rated Fifita as a better longer term prospect because he is flashier but I am starting to think Galloway and Woods will mean we always get good go forward. Add Gibbs who is a workhouse and then another prop and we have a really good prop rotation.