Besides, in Shore Leave his affinity for ancient weapons was a flintlock. So therefore, while he might like swords enough to have a few few in his ancient weapons collection, there was no indication he had any training and he certainly never went on a mission with a sword.

What's Abrams trying to say when the Japanese guy brings a sword to a laser gun fight?

So what's Abrams trying to say when the Japanese guy is ordered to fight with a sword?

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You're raising an interesting point here, because that's exactly how Abrams' mind works: everything in his movie is a platonic ideal. What Abrams really means is that all Japanese guys fight with ninja swords, all women are phone operators, all doctors are divorced and all people born in space have blue eyes.

Hasn't anyone here seen "The Naked Time?" I don't think Abrams-Trek is doing anything original, but he did do something here that was in Sulu's character. It wasn't a Samurai Sword. It was a normal, 23rd century sword. It saved Kirk's life. And Pike asked for "hand-to-hand" combat, Sulu said he was trained in "fencing." Not much fencing done with samurai swords. He let the Asian guy be the hero. That's not how it usually goes in these types of movies.

As a matter of fact, The Naked Time was supposed to have a samurai sword. But George Takei wanted to be one of the Three Musketeers instead. So they appeased him and he danced around, without his shirt on, using a regular sword. And it was a part of Sulu's heritage. That's what the writer's were trying to do.

So what's Abrams trying to say when the Japanese guy is ordered to fight with a sword?

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You're raising an interesting point here, because that's exactly how Abrams' mind works: everything in his movie is a platonic ideal. What Abrams really means is that all Japanese guys fight with ninja swords, all women are phone operators, all doctors are divorced and all people born in space have blue eyes.

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My point exactly. Abrams is a close-minded fool who only caters to sterotypes.

Hell, I don't know what's more offensive, catering to the sterotype that all green girls are sluts, or not getting an actual green girl for the part. Yeah, that's right, Uhura's roommmate was a white girl in greenface!

It's a folding sword similar to what Samurai used, and his armour seemed to be a bit Samurai inspired. To me anyway. Or maybe I'm seeing what I want to to support my argument, I am a Trek fan on the internet.

Also, did Prime Sulu have any actual fencing training? My understanding was The Naked Now made him act like the adventurer he always fantasized about being, not that he actually was trained in fencing or sword skills at all.

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Armor? He, Kirk and the redshirt were wearing the same thing.

So what's Abrams trying to say when the Japanese guy is ordered to fight with a sword?

So what's Abrams trying to say when the Japanese guy is ordered to fight with a sword?

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You're raising an interesting point here, because that's exactly how Abrams' mind works: everything in his movie is a platonic ideal. What Abrams really means is that all Japanese guys fight with ninja swords, all women are phone operators, all doctors are divorced and all people born in space have blue eyes.

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My point exactly. Abrams is a close-minded fool who only caters to sterotypes.

Hell, I don't know what's more offensive, catering to the sterotype that all green girls are sluts, or not getting an actual green girl for the part. Yeah, that's right, Uhura's roommmate was a white girl in greenface!

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Hmm, seems more like you're the close-minded fool who believes that stereotyping exists where a large portion of this board, and I do mean a very large portion, believe otherwise.

It's interesting that these arguments are still happening after four years, kinda proves the effectiveness of Abrams Trek in reinvigorating the franchise!

You're raising an interesting point here, because that's exactly how Abrams' mind works: everything in his movie is a platonic ideal. What Abrams really means is that all Japanese guys fight with ninja swords, all women are phone operators, all doctors are divorced and all people born in space have blue eyes.

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My point exactly. Abrams is a close-minded fool who only caters to sterotypes.

Hell, I don't know what's more offensive, catering to the sterotype that all green girls are sluts, or not getting an actual green girl for the part. Yeah, that's right, Uhura's roommmate was a white girl in greenface!

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Hmm, seems more like you're the close-minded fool who believes that stereotyping exists where a large portion of this board, and I do mean a very large portion, believe otherwise.

It's interesting that these arguments are still happening after four years, kinda proves the effectiveness of Abrams Trek in reinvigorating the franchise!

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Let's have no name-calling aimed at other posters, please; there's a rule about that. It ought to be obvious that Wormhole isn't being completely serious anyway.

So what's Abrams trying to say when the Japanese guy is ordered to fight with a sword?

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You're raising an interesting point here, because that's exactly how Abrams' mind works: everything in his movie is a platonic ideal. What Abrams really means is that all Japanese guys fight with ninja swords, all women are phone operators, all doctors are divorced and all people born in space have blue eyes.

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My point exactly. Abrams is a close-minded fool who only caters to sterotypes.

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You see stereotyping, I see an homage to the character - to each his own.

So what's Abrams trying to say when the Japanese guy is ordered to fight with a sword?

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You're raising an interesting point here, because that's exactly how Abrams' mind works: everything in his movie is a platonic ideal. What Abrams really means is that all Japanese guys fight with ninja swords, all women are phone operators, all doctors are divorced and all people born in space have blue eyes.

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My point exactly. Abrams is a close-minded fool who only caters to sterotypes.

Hell, I don't know what's more offensive, catering to the sterotype that all green girls are sluts, or not getting an actual green girl for the part. Yeah, that's right, Uhura's roommmate was a white girl in greenface!

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And Quinto's not a real Vulcan! He's an actor with false ears. They couldn't have tried harder to find a qualified pointed-eared person to play that role? What is this, the 1950s?

For what it's worth -- and that's very little -- in ST09 Sulu said he was trained in fencing, which is Spanish or Italian in origins. Again, for what it's worth.

The only thing wrong with Sulu or any other character fighting with a sword, knife, epee, sabre, switchblade, dagger, or whatever is it's as anachronistic as hell. Just like the numerous fist fights in Trek. Why no one carries two phasers (because they seem to have a way of losing one at key moments) or packs a hidden side arm is beyond me. But being unarmed and fighting with your dukes or a knife is the estabilished Trek way, and I accept it. They've obviously never heard the rule, "Never bring a knife to a gunfight."

The characters in Abrams Trek are very broad but that's just his approach. Everything is louder, including the characterisation.

I have a dream that one day Star Trek in film will be a science-fiction series about exploring the unknown or the human condition. Catering to the lowest common denominator with a vengeful villain in a fucking black trenchcoat going on a rampage is less my kinda thing. It's treating the audience like they're stupid. Which the target audience is, but I'd like Trek to aim higher.

The opening of the film sounds more like Star Trek than anything in the rest of the movie.

The characters in Abrams Trek are very broad but that's just his approach. Everything is louder, including the characterisation.

I have a dream that one day Star Trek in film will be a science-fiction series about exploring the unknown or the human condition. Catering to the lowest common denominator with a vengeful villain in a fucking black trenchcoat going on a rampage is less my kinda thing. It's treating the audience like they're stupid. Which the target audience is, but I'd like Trek to aim higher.

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At this point you're just randomly shuffling the same keywords, aren't you?

The characters in Abrams Trek are very broad but that's just his approach. Everything is louder, including the characterisation.

I have a dream that one day Star Trek in film will be a science-fiction series about exploring the unknown or the human condition. Catering to the lowest common denominator with a vengeful villain in a fucking black trenchcoat going on a rampage is less my kinda thing. It's treating the audience like they're stupid. Which the target audience is, but I'd like Trek to aim higher.

The opening of the film sounds more like Star Trek than anything in the rest of the movie.

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I'm sure one day, you and the five others like you will get the movie you crave while us drooling masses continue to enjoy least common denominator fare.

Pike: You have honour. But you lack disicipline. Your father was a great fighter, and in the field of battle.. the fence is always open.

*Shot of a ship exploding*

*Uhura is giving Spock a blowjob in the turbo-lift*

*Shot of a planet exploding*

*Shot of a building exploding*

*A woman screams in slow motion*

*Scotty pulls a face to humour the thick people in the audience*

Scotty: AH CANNAE TAKE EET ANY MORE CAPTAIN!

*Scotty proceeds to fall over*

*The Enterprise crashes in to a duck pond*

*One-dimensional Vengeful Villain appears in a room pitch-black yet full of lens-flare*

Vengeful Villain: BLOW THEM ALL OUT OF THE SKY!

*Title and release date*

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Oddly enough, biased exaggerations aside, that pretty much describes TOS and all of Trek down through time. And that descrition will probably bring in $300 million just in the U.S.

When was Trek ever anything other than a fun romp? It's a well done action-adventure series with interesting characters. That's all it was, and it's all it will be. I've never been sure where people find the gravitas in Trek other than what they read into it themselves.

It's like Beatles fans who take the songs too seriously. John Lennon got disgusted with fans who would try to analyze the lyrics of his songs for themes and meanings that he never intended to be there. He was just trying to write a commercially successful song, not enlighten anyone or make one think. They may have been clever and well done, but they were only as deep as fans wanted to make them. If it connected with you in some personal way, wonderful. But "connecting with you" wasn't his intention. It's a pop song. He was out to sell as many records as he could and make money.

Just enjoy the music for what it is. Have fun. Drop the pretense that it's important.

You seriously don't see how The Cage or The Motion Picture resemble literary science-fiction more than Abrams Trek?

That's the approach I prefer. Stories driven by ideas and not action. I'm in the minority but I refuse to be spat on for it. I was watching DS9's Duet earlier and loved it. Nuanced characterisation and not at all patronising unlike this Obi-Wan Pike business.

But I'm sure the Abrams acolytes will be here to tell me that Abrams Trek made more money so it's better. Completely missing the point, as per usual.