If, after learning the histroy of kwaanza, you don't see what a farce it is there would be zero benifit of any efforts on my part to change your mind.

Ya'll have a nice day.

I hear you. I have read about the history of Kwannza here on SF as it stands.

I don't consider Kwaanza to be stupid (I'm not sure of the exact definition of the word farce),but my main point is why would anyone try to demean this African-American tradition?

I have more recently decided to not even listen to people ridiculing others traditions because I find it a waste of time.

In America in many places people are so racially mixed and live in such close proximity with each other culture bashing can take on an endless journey. I live in one such area of North America.

I choose to now as much as possible immerse myself in my own culture and stay away from others' cultures and not feel the need to ridicule them.

From what I have seen White Americans spend way too much time ridiculing other peoples' cultures and yet Americans themselves sometimes seem to lack a solid cultural foundation of their own. This is a bad road to go down imo.

Maybe Kwaanza only goes back as far as 1967 (whatever) and maybe the holiday falls in a seemingly strange time of year (december?), but if it uplifts some African-Americans and keeps them in their own culture and heritage why should I be against it or spend any of my time ridiculing it?

I'd rather spend time building up my own self and community.

I suppose I see you reasoning ,but I also see a flaw in Anne Coulter's mentioning of Kwaanza in a negative light because she might not feel it is a holiday that Americans should be celebrating.
I don't think she should mention Kwaanza at all , why promote it?

I hear you. I have read about the history of Kwannza here on SF as it stands.

I don't consider Kwaanza to be stupid (I'm not sure of the exact definition of the word farce),but my main point is why would anyone try to demean this African-American tradition?

I have more recently decided to not even listen to people ridiculing others traditions because I find it a waste of time.

In America in many places people are so racially mixed and live in such close proximity with each other culture bashing can take on an endless journey. I live in one such area of North America.

I choose to now as much as possible immerse myself in my own culture and stay away from others' cultures and not feel the need to ridicule them.

From what I have seen White Americans spend way too much time ridiculing other peoples' cultures and yet Americans themselves sometimes seem to lack a solid cultural foundation of their own. This is a bad road to go down imo.

Maybe Kwaanza only goes back as far as 1967 (whatever) and maybe the holiday falls in a seemingly strange time of year (december?), but if it uplifts some African-Americans and keeps them in their own culture and heritage why should I be against it or spend any of my time ridiculing it?

I'd rather spend time building up my own self and community.

I suppose I see you reasoning ,but I also see a flaw in Anne Coulter's mentioning of Kwaanza in a negative light because she might not feel it is a holiday that Americans should be celebrating.
I don't think she should mention Kwaanza at all , why promote it?

Ann points out in her article that this is not a "tradition" among blacks. Many more whites give importance to it than blacks. Hence her comment about white liberals doing all the recognition of it. As for being "african" we only have this convicted felons word on it. Not exactly what you can call reliable. If some REAL tradition were brought over from africa I don't believe it would be held up for ridicule as this has been.

Your points about celebrating one's own culture and heritage are well made and taken. One of the things that is so disturbing is how they build up this dubious "tradition" while spending and incredible amount of time and money trying to deprive us of OUR heritage. They want OUR cake and there's too.

OK, now you've got me..."why promote it?" I only wish our president had recognized your wisdom before he openned HIS mouth.

BTW if anyone is interested in the culture a few people here in Toronto have revived to some degree you are welcome to learn about it.

I hope Average Joe will not ridicule us if some of it seems 'made up' like Kwaanza, but that probably won't stop us either.

I think it's good for all people to celebrate their own culture rather than bash others,and this is also a new year resolution of mine to focus more on the positive rather than the negative.

I stated before that we will try and get a voice server running and hopefully that will happen this month or in February at the latest.
Anyone who is of European descent (White) can learn about our traditions and philosophy,and may benefit from this.

Actually anyone can learn about the traditions and philosophy although it is of European origins so I don't know why anyone but White Europeans would want to learn.

You can also telephone this number for some basic disclosure on these ideas.
416-546-0583. Just ask for David.

Now here are some of the things we do:

Celebrate the quarterly solstices.

Focus of life around the physical,emotional, and spiritual betterment of an individual.

Focus around an individual working hard and/or building a home with a suitable mate that shares their values.

Advocate martial/wilderness study for all community members.

Have a list of commandments to meditate on when you awake each morning.

Have a history of our type of people somewhat free of mainstream media influence.

Have a unique marriage ceremony for adherants to the communities commandments.

Just more mindwiping.....she is saying blacks are lunatics for celebrating themselves and their ancestors while she simultaneously encourages everyone in the world to fall in under a superior universal religion that mentions jews in the forefront again....

No she's saying they're dumb for celebrating a Holiday invented by a marxist non African with a made up African name who was a paid agent, paid to spy on black extremists.

Maybe Kwaanza only goes back as far as 1967 (whatever) and maybe the holiday falls in a seemingly strange time of year (december?), but if it uplifts some African-Americans and keeps them in their own culture and heritage why should I be against it or spend any of my time ridiculing it?

It has nothing to do with African heritage it has to do with the teachings of Marx; a Jew. It's not about lifting blacks up it's about seducing them to a subversive ideology and herding them like sheep with an invented faith.