Very Dumb Question :
I've just installed F 23, and failed to tell it to use xfce; how
do I fix that?? (I seem doomed never to find anything in Gnome 3.)
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On 03/23/2016 02:30 PM, Bear Tooth wrote:
>
> Very Dumb Question :
>
> I've just installed F 23, and failed to tell it to use xfce; how
> do I fix that?? (I seem doomed never to find anything in Gnome 3.)
>
sudo dnf group install "Xfce Desktop"
Then log out, log back in and select Xfce from the list of Desktops.

On 23/03/2016 23:33, François Patte wrote:
> Le 23/03/2016 22:38, Joe Zeff a écrit :
>> On 03/23/2016 02:30 PM, Bear Tooth wrote:
>>> Very Dumb Question :
>>>
>>> I've just installed F 23, and failed to tell it to use xfce; how
>>> do I fix that?? (I seem doomed never to find anything in Gnome 3.)
Re-install.. You'll lose less time than install xfce and uninstall gnome
stuff. ;)
Of course if you don't make the same mistake.. again..
Good luck !

Yeah, I agree. If all you want is Xfce AND this is a new install, just
do another new install with Xfce instead. Trying to remove Gnome3 is
guaranteed to drive you bat sh*t crazy. Gnome wends its grubby little
tentacles into damned near every part of your system. Think of it as
the Linux version of MS Explorer (and we know what a WONDERFUL piece of
software that is!)
<disclaimer>I DETEST Gnome3, but that's obvious</disclaimer>
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On 03/24/2016 04:33 AM, Diogene Laerce wrote:
>
>
> On 23/03/2016 23:33, François Patte wrote:
>> Le 23/03/2016 22:38, Joe Zeff a écrit :
>>> On 03/23/2016 02:30 PM, Bear Tooth wrote:
>>>> Very Dumb Question :
>>>>
>>>> I've just installed F 23, and failed to tell it to use xfce;
how
>>>> do I fix that?? (I seem doomed never to find anything in Gnome 3.)
>
> Re-install.. You'll lose less time than install xfce and uninstall gnome
> stuff. ;)
> Of course if you don't make the same mistake.. again..
>
> Good luck !
Yeah, I agree. If all you want is Xfce AND this is a new install, just
do another new install with Xfce instead. Trying to remove Gnome3 is
guaranteed to drive you bat sh*t crazy. Gnome wends its grubby little
tentacles into damned near every part of your system. Think of it as
the Linux version of MS Explorer (and we know what a WONDERFUL piece of
software that is!)

Hi
Gnome is not necessary for life... Last year, I installed F23 with
gnome3. I uninstalled *all* gnome packages then I installed xfce4, it
works. To uninstall gnome and dependencies, just remove gconf2.
Precision: I dont use any "network manager".
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Maderios

On 03/24/2016 05:41 PM, Rick Stevens wrote:
> On 03/24/2016 04:33 AM, Diogene Laerce wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 23/03/2016 23:33, François Patte wrote:
>>> Le 23/03/2016 22:38, Joe Zeff a écrit :
>>>> On 03/23/2016 02:30 PM, Bear Tooth wrote:
>>>>> Very Dumb Question :
>>>>>
>>>>> I've just installed F 23, and failed to tell it to use
>>>>> xfce; how do I fix that?? (I seem doomed never to find anything
>>>>> in Gnome 3.)
>>
>> Re-install.. You'll lose less time than install xfce and uninstall
>> gnome stuff. ;)
>> Of course if you don't make the same mistake.. again..
>>
>> Good luck !
>
> Yeah, I agree. If all you want is Xfce AND this is a new install,
> just do another new install with Xfce instead. Trying to remove
> Gnome3 is guaranteed to drive you bat sh*t crazy. Gnome wends its
> grubby little tentacles into damned near every part of your system.
> Think of it as the Linux version of MS Explorer (and we know what a
> WONDERFUL piece of software that is!)
Hi
Gnome is not necessary for life... Last year, I installed F23 with
gnome3. I uninstalled *all* gnome packages then I installed xfce4, it
works. To uninstall gnome and dependencies, just remove gconf2.
Precision: I dont use any "network manager".

All this sort of depends on what you all mean by "gnome packages"
because the gnome folks maintain a lot of base packages that many other
things depend on. ie, Xfce wouldn't exist without gtk2,
xfce4-power-manager requires upower, etc.
In any case it's up to you what you want installed.
kevin

All this sort of depends on what you all mean by "gnome
packages"
because the gnome folks maintain a lot of base packages that many other
things depend on. ie, Xfce wouldn't exist without gtk2,
xfce4-power-manager requires upower, etc.
In any case it's up to you what you want installed.

My bad. I know I want my basic desktop from Xfce, though I also
use some apps from Gnome and a couple from KDE; I'm doing that now on my
other machines.
I normally install an xfce spin, and run yumex or the like at
least twice: once showing what's installed (looking for things to
remove); and once showing what's available (spotting things to add).
This time I happened to download the workstation rather than the
server version; but my tweaked (twoken?) install is somewhere between
those two.
I've been doing this since about '98 (when I retired), and my
fingers know where most icons are, on which panels. So Xfce saves me a
lot of time by keeping panels and icons. (The stuff under the hood
fascinates me, but actuary tables tell me I'll most likely last only a
few more years, and my doctor concurs.)
I'm in process of trying Rick Stevens's suggestion, next time I
get back to that machine. Anybody happen to know a way to c&p between
machines on a KVM switch? Or even whether a quick way exists? (scp -r for
whole files is fine, but a bit like sledge-hammering a gnat for single
commands.)
--
Beartooth Staffwright, Neo-Redneck Not Quite Clueless Power User
Remember I have precious (very precious!) little idea where up is.

On Fri, 25 Mar 2016 10:23:17 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> All this sort of depends on what you all mean by "gnome packages"
> because the gnome folks maintain a lot of base packages that many other
> things depend on. ie, Xfce wouldn't exist without gtk2,
> xfce4-power-manager requires upower, etc.
>
> In any case it's up to you what you want installed.
My bad. I know I want my basic desktop from Xfce, though I also
use some apps from Gnome and a couple from KDE; I'm doing that now on my
other machines.
I normally install an xfce spin, and run yumex or the like at
least twice: once showing what's installed (looking for things to
remove); and once showing what's available (spotting things to add).
This time I happened to download the workstation rather than the
server version; but my tweaked (twoken?) install is somewhere between
those two.
I've been doing this since about '98 (when I retired), and my
fingers know where most icons are, on which panels. So Xfce saves me a
lot of time by keeping panels and icons. (The stuff under the hood
fascinates me, but actuary tables tell me I'll most likely last only a
few more years, and my doctor concurs.)
I'm in process of trying Rick Stevens's suggestion, next time I
get back to that machine. Anybody happen to know a way to c&p between
machines on a KVM switch? Or even whether a quick way exists? (scp -r for
whole files is fine, but a bit like sledge-hammering a gnat for single
commands.)

I use two monitors (one on each machine) and I use synergy to share my
keyboard and mouse between the two machines. C&P works (highlight with
mouse on one machine, move mouse to other machine, middle-mouse-button
to paste). The RPM is synergy-1.6.2-3.fc23.x86_64.
Just an idea.
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I'm in process of trying Rick Stevens's suggestion,
next time I
get back to that machine. Anybody happen to know a way to c&p between
machines on a KVM switch? Or even whether a quick way exists? (scp -r for
whole files is fine, but a bit like sledge-hammering a gnat for single
commands.)

if the package sshfs is installed then:
sshfs /home/[user]/[directory of remote PC/ /home/[user]/Directory of Local
PC]
this has always been the easiest since it shows in the GUI file manager
making for quick cut/paste operations.
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Fred

sshfs /home/[user]/[directory of remote PC/ /home/[user]/Directory of Local
PC]
Corrected to:
sshfs [ip address to remote]:/home/[user]/[directory of remote PC/
/home/[user]/Directory of Local PC]
This is what I get for responding before the first cup of coffee.

On Thu, 24 Mar 2016 20:30:29 +0100
maderios <maderios(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> On 03/24/2016 05:41 PM, Rick Stevens wrote:
>> On 03/24/2016 04:33 AM, Diogene Laerce wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On 23/03/2016 23:33, François Patte wrote:
>>>> Le 23/03/2016 22:38, Joe Zeff a écrit :
>>>>> On 03/23/2016 02:30 PM, Bear Tooth wrote:
>>>>>> Very Dumb Question :
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've just installed F 23, and failed to tell it to use
>>>>>> xfce; how do I fix that?? (I seem doomed never to find anything
>>>>>> in Gnome 3.)
>>>
>>> Re-install.. You'll lose less time than install xfce and uninstall
>>> gnome stuff. ;)
>>> Of course if you don't make the same mistake.. again..
>>>
>>> Good luck !
>>
>> Yeah, I agree. If all you want is Xfce AND this is a new install,
>> just do another new install with Xfce instead. Trying to remove
>> Gnome3 is guaranteed to drive you bat sh*t crazy. Gnome wends its
>> grubby little tentacles into damned near every part of your system.
>> Think of it as the Linux version of MS Explorer (and we know what a
>> WONDERFUL piece of software that is!)
> Hi
> Gnome is not necessary for life... Last year, I installed F23 with
> gnome3. I uninstalled *all* gnome packages then I installed xfce4, it
> works. To uninstall gnome and dependencies, just remove gconf2.
> Precision: I dont use any "network manager".
All this sort of depends on what you all mean by "gnome packages"
because the gnome folks maintain a lot of base packages that many other
things depend on. ie, Xfce wouldn't exist without gtk2,
xfce4-power-manager requires upower, etc.

I mean gnome desktop and most gnome
software, but you're true, not
really *all* gnome packages, dependencies.
Ex, I keep, Gimp, gtk, etc... Removing gconf2 is a good way to get rid
of unnecessary gnome packages.