Dull people will remember me thinking we were looking stronger during call-ups than the past few years...well thanks to injuries that's over (in the pack)

I'm not great on academy and can't quite remember all the injuries but help me out -- is it as bad as this looks?

FORWARDS

Lambert
Buchanan (assuming no ill effects of recent concussion)
Swainston/McNulty (is he even a person)? (on basis Collier may get call up with Sink out but am I being kind to him and he's behind too many others)
Merrick
Horwill (again assume all will be fine)
Glynn/Lamb/White (who the hell do we play? no robshaw, no wallace, no news on baby Chis, bothma estimated mid november)(this is also thinking will Clifford go into England with Billy V out -- reasonable?)
Luamanu

BACKS

Lewis? Mulchrone?
Swiel if we lose Smith, otherwise Smith
Walker
Roberts (end of call ups for Wales? discuss)
Marchant (Saili has no date for return)
Yarde (could he make the 23? feels unlikely)
Swiel/Morris (Ross Chisholm was "weeks away" at end of Sept)

Im not sure Clifford will make the final cut to play for England. Curry picked up an injury that is not as bad as feared so I guess Hughes, Robshaw, Curry and Underhill are the ones in front of him. Im not convinced Visser will be away with Scotland. Roberts I think may get a bench spot for Wales but Sloan is a fine replacement and Salli is due back mid Oct.

HonkyTonkIm not sure Clifford will make the final cut to play for England. Curry picked up an injury that is not as bad as feared so I guess Hughes, Robshaw, Curry and Underhill are the ones in front of him. Im not convinced Visser will be away with Scotland. Roberts I think may get a bench spot for Wales but Sloan is a fine replacement and Salli is due back mid Oct.

Is Saili due back that soon? Last thing I heard JK say was end of Sept when he said he was "waiting for a report" and it was "a numner of weeks"

Quinky KinI think at least one Chis is due back imminently. And isn't Catrakilis due back before callups?
Plus we have White and Lamb, and of course Elia, whom I hope we will see more of. I just pray that he can throw in straight.

HonkyTonkIm not sure Clifford will make the final cut to play for England. Curry picked up an injury that is not as bad as feared so I guess Hughes, Robshaw, Curry and Underhill are the ones in front of him. Im not convinced Visser will be away with Scotland. Roberts I think may get a bench spot for Wales but Sloan is a fine replacement and Salli is due back mid Oct.

Is Saili due back that soon? Last thing I heard JK say was end of Sept when he said he was "waiting for a report" and it was "a numner of weeks"

Maybe I am wrong, but I could swear that mid Oct was mentioned re Salli. Wont have long to find out!!!!

Before the summer, EJ was saying that he wanted Collier to prove he could push Dan Cole aside and be ready as a starter for the autumn. Low and behold he didn't and only made the bench so I assume Collier won't be selected.

Clifford should as it was only injury that stopped his inclusion last season and he is playing well.

Yarde has done enough to show that he's hungry and that he's listening to the guidance so he should get retained.

Roberts, Wales won't call him up now but it depends on whether or not their other centres are fit.

Visser has played no rugby so can't see Scotland calling him up. He needs to make peace with whomever and use this period to get back playing regularly.

Jones has been effusive about how much he likes Robshaw in recent months. Can't see EJ dropping him as he's hardly going to be over the hill in two years time. DC also hasn't shown any dropping in his pace, has improved his kicking game (as a whole) and offers a great "closer" off the bench or starter if Youngs isn't picked.

Based on Eddie's comments at the Quinssa evening, Robbo and Danny nailed on starters - Marland got some stick for his hands in particular but he clearly fits the mould for one type of winger Eddies wants. Clifford got no mention but is clearly on form so who knows? These are not the toughest set of Autumn internationals so maybe time to blood a few new players even if the others come back in for 6 nations.

Harleys Evil Step MumCare, Robshaw, Yarde will all be free for us....realistically I think their International careers are effectively over.....younger guns from now on!!

So many times we've heard that Robshaw either isn't good enough, or there's a new claimant for the shirt, or some other reason for his international career being over. But you never hear it from the person selecting the team. Makes you wonder if they know better?

Surely EJ HAS to have RWC2019 in mind......Autumn Internationals 17/Six Nations 18 and Autumn Internationals 18 must be the perfect platform to get the younger guns in????? I LOVE our Quins boys.....but there must be better out there???????

Why do they need to get younger guns in? The current set up has had huge success under EJ. If the players are likely to be available in 2019, then there is no need to chance for the sake of it. There is currently a nice mix of experience with younger players (e..g Itoje, George etc). Very rarely to "young" teams win world cups. You need experience in major tournaments and under EJ there has been nice progress. I would be shocked if Robshaw and Care are not in the 23 - Robshaw is a certain starter.

Harleys Evil Step MumSurely EJ HAS to have RWC2019 in mind......Autumn Internationals 17/Six Nations 18 and Autumn Internationals 18 must be the perfect platform to get the younger guns in????? I LOVE our Quins boys.....but there must be better out there???????

Better than Robshaw? I may be biased, but I still think he's the best flanker in the Northern hemisphere. Not flashy, but huge workrate and amazing skillset.

Harleys Evil Step MumSurely EJ HAS to have RWC2019 in mind......Autumn Internationals 17/Six Nations 18 and Autumn Internationals 18 must be the perfect platform to get the younger guns in????? I LOVE our Quins boys.....but there must be better out there???????

Better than Robshaw? I may be biased, but I still think he's the best flanker in the Northern hemisphere. Not flashy, but huge workrate and amazing skillset.

Thats you, me and EJ that agree then.

Was it Jonno that said you have to always play the best side available to you at that time?

I believe RWC winning sides have several hundred caps between them generally. Surely you play the man who is fit, in form, best in his position and definitely going to be around in Japan...?

Harleys Evil Step MumSurely EJ HAS to have RWC2019 in mind......Autumn Internationals 17/Six Nations 18 and Autumn Internationals 18 must be the perfect platform to get the younger guns in????? I LOVE our Quins boys.....but there must be better out there???????

Better than Robshaw? I may be biased, but I still think he's the best flanker in the Northern hemisphere. Not flashy, but huge workrate and amazing skillset.

Thats you, me and EJ that agree then.

Was it Jonno that said you have to always play the best side available to you at that time?

I believe RWC winning sides have several hundred caps between them generally. Surely you play the man who is fit, in form, best in his position and definitely going to be around in Japan...?

I think EJ has shown he wants a bit more than that - he wants people thinking their going to lose their places to new talent and won't be afraid of dropping them. Which I think is great - and we need more at Quins.

You have got to consider ages at the time of Japan -- and where "new" players will be given two years development. Smith in two years with the size and muscle of a 20 year old not a teenager could well be a starter for example....let's see.

Harleys Evil Step MumSurely EJ HAS to have RWC2019 in mind......Autumn Internationals 17/Six Nations 18 and Autumn Internationals 18 must be the perfect platform to get the younger guns in????? I LOVE our Quins boys.....but there must be better out there???????

Better than Robshaw? I may be biased, but I still think he's the best flanker in the Northern hemisphere. Not flashy, but huge workrate and amazing skillset.

Thats you, me and EJ that agree then.

Was it Jonno that said you have to always play the best side available to you at that time?

I believe RWC winning sides have several hundred caps between them generally. Surely you play the man who is fit, in form, best in his position and definitely going to be around in Japan...?

I think EJ has shown he wants a bit more than that - he wants people thinking their going to lose their places to new talent and won't be afraid of dropping them. Which I think is great - and we need more at Quins.

You have got to consider ages at the time of Japan -- and where "new" players will be given two years development. Smith in two years with the size and muscle of a 20 year old not a teenager could well be a starter for example....let's see.

Smith needs to get past Farrell and Ford at least, but I don't doubt he has the ability and potential, and definitely the confidence.

Robshaw - I think he's beyond the thought of being dropped. The guy just keeps on at a standard that most players could only ever dream of, and it never seems to dip. Generally you can count his errors for a season on one hand. And yet he still seems like (as you say) he's playing to win the shirt rather than keep it.

I think Robshaw is a starter for now, in two years who knows, no reason why he can't be. I guess everything depends on the composition of the backrow and how Borthwick/Eddie wants it. Borthwick wants a proper line out jumper in the back row and if underhill becomes the 7, with Billy and Robbo, that's a very short backrow, i won't be shocked if Lawes was tried in the back row this autumn and in the six nations as he has been playing very well there and to me alongside slade, probably player of the season so far and he has been playing predominately at 6

For Robshaw, it is a question of keeping injury free I think. As long as he says injury free, there is no reason he can't carry on, and carry on doing that Richard Hill style of quiet understated work in the engine room - the kind you only notice when it is not there. He took the knocks at the last RWC, listened to what EJ wanted, delivered in spades, and it is hard to see how he won't be in Japan. If you need experience and inspiration, Robshaw is the one.

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T-BoneWhy do people think Robshaw would miss out due to lack of lineout options. He is a line out option, and a good one

He is not the lineout option lawes is, part of it is because he is 5 inches shorter. That does not mean he won't start or play, just saying that is something Eddie Jones has talked about that Borthwick likes and Lawes played really well in the six nations at 6, even though he had the number 5 on his back and has started this season on fire. I think it depends on if Eddie wants him in the second row or back row as he has been to me, the best forward and probably player so far this season and he was great on the lions tour also.

Robshaw if injury free will be at the next world cup, he just might not be a starter at that point or might start some games and not some others depending on the composition of the opposition back row. To me the only players i see as starters in the next Wc are Itoje, Faz, Billy, Youngs and Dan Cole. I don't think anyone else is a guaranteed starter at this point.

You don't think Faz is a nailed on starter Rodney. I think him, Billy and maro are the first names on the team sheet. No way Faz does not start at the next world cup. The only question is whether it is at 10 or 12.

Ha ha ha i think Eddie Jones is smart enough to know not to jettison a TH who might have close to 100 caps by the next WC and has 77 caps at the moment.

If he does not go, who will replace him, Kyle sinckler who has 5/6 caps and has a temper problem, Williams who has 2 caps, Paul Hill who does not even start at Northampton, Collier who has one cap or two caps. What will happen when we play NZ potentially in the SF and we come against a team with a TH with over 100 caps in Franks. That would be a stupid decision if Eddie decided to do that and the one thing Eddie is not, is stupid.

Barnetsarrie12Ha ha ha i think Eddie Jones is smart enough to know not to jettison a TH who might have close to 100 caps by the next WC and has 77 caps at the moment.
If he does not go, who will replace him, Kyle sinckler who has 5/6 caps and has a temper problem, Williams who has 2 caps, Paul Hill who does not even start at Northampton, Collier who has one cap or two caps. What will happen when we play NZ potentially in the SF and we come against a team with a TH with over 100 caps in Franks. That would be a stupid decision if Eddie decided to do that and the one thing Eddie is not, is stupid.

Cole seems less and less effective with every cap. Kyle will have overtaken him long before the next RWC. 2 years is a long time to address temperament issues, and an ever longer time to get away with doing little other than scrummage, especially when you no longer stand out in that area.

Barnetsarrie12Ha ha ha i think Eddie Jones is smart enough to know not to jettison a TH who might have close to 100 caps by the next WC and has 77 caps at the moment.
If he does not go, who will replace him, Kyle sinckler who has 5/6 caps and has a temper problem, Williams who has 2 caps, Paul Hill who does not even start at Northampton, Collier who has one cap or two caps. What will happen when we play NZ potentially in the SF and we come against a team with a TH with over 100 caps in Franks. That would be a stupid decision if Eddie decided to do that and the one thing Eddie is not, is stupid.

Cole seems less and less effective with every cap. Kyle will have overtaken him long before the next RWC. 2 years is a long time to address temperament issues, and an ever longer time to get away with doing little other than scrummage, especially when you no longer stand out in that area.

As much as I'd like to agree with you wrt Sinckler, KQ: Marler hasn't, really, and he's had several years...

Barnetsarrie12You don't think Faz is a nailed on starter Rodney. I think him, Billy and maro are the first names on the team sheet. No way Faz does not start at the next world cup. The only question is whether it is at 10 or 12.

The last 2 times EJ started Farrell at 10 he had moved him inside by half-time so he clearly doesn't trust him at 10, and with Smith coming along nicely no-one is guaranteed a place at 10 or 12, not even the over-rated Farrell. To say any player is guaranteed a place in a tournament over 24 months away is naÔve, every single player is human and can lose form or favour in a matter of weeks.

Jammy GitWe've only had a handful of matches. He did give away a really pointless and idiotic yellow card for the Lions over the summer...

When was Dan cole's last yellow, or Will Collier? Props get yellow cards Jammy, Marler no longer gets more than most.

Hang on, the conversation was about Joe doing stupid things. Cole's not particularly known for idiotic yellows like Joe, and I can't remember Will ever getting one for non-technical offences. Joe, on the other hand, did do something stupid and dirty in NZ to get a yellow and blotted his copybook. It was only a few matches ago so it's a little early to say he doesn't do it any more. It's far too early in this season to tell.

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But good to see your little cabal still got each others' backs.

This is silly. I mean sure, I'm friends with QP and a couple of others on here, but I have no idea who Bolly-Quin is and couldn't even tell you if I tend to agree or disagree with them. I'm afraid this is just an ordinary disagreement, you don't need to go looking for conspiracy.

It will be interesting to see if you're man enough to admit you're wrong.

Apart from the one he got from the Lions, he's had a "retrospective" version this season and has had quite a few (10) during his career. I don't wish to deliberately tarnish is reputation, but he's a bit of a joker that needs winding in during a season that has seen us penalised more than most. I'd rather see him put 100% into the game, rather than wind up apponents, though ,desirable as the "edge" is.

I'd be more than "man" enough, Stoops, to admit I am wrong, but can't help thinking that Quins profligacy with penalties this season needs some attention. And our props are hardly leading by example.

As for Jammy, I do like the occasional dodger, but, as with JG, can't confess to any bias towards or away from his postings...

That's a handy list. I'd be interested to see of those injured who is due back by the start of the AIs. That'd give us a clearer idea of what we have to work with. I don't think it's quite as bad as it first looks.....

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