BlackRockCityPimp wrote:Out of 8 years I only used the ice camp twice and have never purchased from Center Camp. I was glad for the having ice available but could have lived without it. Radical Self Reliance means planning your burn without dependance on ice availability.

Some of us like the convenience of Artica & their ice- especially at a bar camp when you don't want to haul out huge fridges & generators to keep the beer cool (not everyone wants warm beer). You can be as macho as you want & not use it.

Radical Self Reliance means being self reliant- it doesn't mean having to follow the Diktat of someone elses version of what it means. If someone plans on using Artica they should also have a backup in case they can't get ice there for some reason, but there's no reason not to make Plan A getting ice from them if that's what they want.

Personally, I keep my vodka cold in the freezer of the RV, my mixers in the fridge. Don't need the ice except for the bar. Got the RV genny & a backup. All good to go.

I'd normally be against (read: not prefer to) standing in line to buy expensive ice, but our coolers weren't up to snuff this past year and we had to keep a bunch of "fresh" vegetables unspoiled for a Thursday night meal. This year we'll have a big insulated cooler, so maybe we won't need to pay out the nose for ice. I do wonder if having no option to buy ice would encourage people to find better insulated coolers and/or just settle for foods that don't need refrigeration.

"The essence of tyranny is not iron law. It is capricious law." -- Christopher Hitchens

I don't even want to imagine Black Rock City if radical self reliance was pushed all the way to its smelly extreme. We would have to rename it Black Water City. This would, however, quickly solve the selling-out issues.

The ice always made sense to me as well from a surface-area to volume perspective. It just makes sense to keep most ice in a large central location and distribute it daily. Otherwise one is just wasting more ice than necessary.

I never understood the coffee exception though. Something about people from the bay area and not killing each other?

'some people need a central place where other people are that the only requisite to feel involved is buying a coffee and hangin out'

we might be a city of theme camps but for the some of the uninitiated those places arent nearly as welcoming as center camp cafe can be.. and we dont want to push people away because they werent brave enough to walk in to your creepy dome. do we?!

I bring my own toilet.. I pay ins for Life Flight.. I camp through the year in the wilds.. Knowing the risks and taking them..I camp without a gun at Burning man..Anywhere else I can handle it. Yes I am mean enough to do my own surgery if needed..

Sry mate, every time I have been to BRC I only see cops hasslin the druggies. You mean to tell us that in BRC the cops are there to protect us. HA. I'd like to think we do a damn fine job of that ourselves with the Rangers and our fellow citizens.

I bring my own toilet.. I pay ins for Life Flight.. I camp through the year in the wilds.. Knowing the risks and taking them..I camp without a gun at Burning man..Anywhere else I can handle it. Yes I am mean enough to do my own surgery if needed..

I use insurance too and also dont bring a gun. I do however know many people that do bring a gun into BRC and keep them secured, old habit die hard I guess. I feel much safer in BRC than any other city on earth and I like knowing that in most areas of BRC people are looking out for each other. I would be more inclined to trust one of own Rangers than LEO if I get dosed in BRC.

BlackRockCityPimp wrote:Great idea, added to the list. Arctica is on par with Center camp bringing commodification to our community and reducing RSR. As I understand it Arctica was foisted upon the community by the feds when the community grew. Maybe someone familiar with that can porovide specifics as to the deets. Protesting the trash fence is a good idea, about as effective as peacefully protesting wall street banksters. The trash fence while being a good place to snag a nifty hat thats blown off someones head does nothing to stop moop of the worst sort that goes right past and collects somewhere most participants dont bother with. Speaking of which.. does playa restoration handle anything outside of the fence? As far as protesting other themecamps I would prefer only to protest the ones thats offer nothing to the community, the private circle the wagons rv collectives that charge thousands to camp in and have managed to get in early and setup in public camping areas reserving space for campmates that cant make it until Friday.

No no no no no! Too serious. Less serious. More funny.

Hint: If you're less serious, and more funny with it at Burning Man, you win more hearts and minds, than being some crazy guy who is mad at the people selling them ice. Don't be mad at them. Be mad at the stilt bar for only allowing tall people in. They're like LESS than 1%. They're like .00009%!

Be mad at Slutgarden for promoting the 1% of sluts in the world, while 99% of us languish in prudity.

Protest an artcar shaped like a cat, because it is totally against the dogs of the world.

BlackRockCityPimp wrote:Great idea, added to the list. Arctica is on par with Center camp bringing commodification to our community and reducing RSR. As I understand it Arctica was foisted upon the community by the feds when the community grew. Maybe someone familiar with that can porovide specifics as to the deets. Protesting the trash fence is a good idea, about as effective as peacefully protesting wall street banksters. The trash fence while being a good place to snag a nifty hat thats blown off someones head does nothing to stop moop of the worst sort that goes right past and collects somewhere most participants dont bother with. Speaking of which.. does playa restoration handle anything outside of the fence? As far as protesting other themecamps I would prefer only to protest the ones thats offer nothing to the community, the private circle the wagons rv collectives that charge thousands to camp in and have managed to get in early and setup in public camping areas reserving space for campmates that cant make it until Friday.

No no no no no! Too serious. Less serious. More funny.

Hint: If you're less serious, and more funny with it at Burning Man, you win more hearts and minds, than being some crazy guy who is mad at the people selling them ice. Don't be mad at them. Be mad at the stilt bar for only allowing tall people in. They're like LESS than 1%. They're like .00009%!

Be mad at Slutgarden for promoting the 1% of sluts in the world, while 99% of us languish in prudity.

Protest an artcar shaped like a cat, because it is totally against the dogs of the world.

Protest the Georgie Boys of the world, because "Not enough red."

Yes! Protest barbie death camp for being sexist, hang more kens!

When the only tool you got is a hammer, every problem looks like a hippie.

Mmmmmm I love the smell of Burning Man - Token

Getting overly dramatic about the ticket sale process is so 2012. - Maladroit

BlackRockCityPimp wrote:Great idea, added to the list. Arctica is on par with Center camp bringing commodification to our community and reducing RSR. As I understand it Arctica was foisted upon the community by the feds when the community grew. Maybe someone familiar with that can porovide specifics as to the deets. Protesting the trash fence is a good idea, about as effective as peacefully protesting wall street banksters. The trash fence while being a good place to snag a nifty hat thats blown off someones head does nothing to stop moop of the worst sort that goes right past and collects somewhere most participants dont bother with. Speaking of which.. does playa restoration handle anything outside of the fence? As far as protesting other themecamps I would prefer only to protest the ones thats offer nothing to the community, the private circle the wagons rv collectives that charge thousands to camp in and have managed to get in early and setup in public camping areas reserving space for campmates that cant make it until Friday.

No no no no no! Too serious. Less serious. More funny.

Hint: If you're less serious, and more funny with it at Burning Man, you win more hearts and minds, than being some crazy guy who is mad at the people selling them ice. Don't be mad at them. Be mad at the stilt bar for only allowing tall people in. They're like LESS than 1%. They're like .00009%!

Be mad at Slutgarden for promoting the 1% of sluts in the world, while 99% of us languish in prudity.

Protest an artcar shaped like a cat, because it is totally against the dogs of the world.

Protest the Georgie Boys of the world, because "Not enough red."

Yes! Protest barbie death camp for being sexist, hang more kens!

How bout we just sneak in and plant more kens, we all know pyro cant possibly watch the camp at all times. Plus hes old and drunk alot of the time, he might not even notice for the first few days.

BM is my getaway from the default world. I prefer to leave what's going on out there...out there.

Fat chance of that with all the cruise america advertising all over the place. There is also alot of advertising for budget and uhaul. If you want to buy ice you better bring some of that default world monopoly money. Dan, Karen and many others brought Crude Awakening one year. Proof that things from defaultia can give one wood when going boom while also making one change their lifestyle and consider the evils of fossil fuel.

BlackRockCityPimp wrote:Dan, Karen and many others brought Crude Awakening one year. Proof that things from defaultia can give one wood when going boom while also making one change their lifestyle and consider the evils of fossil fuel.

What does trucking a 50-ft redwood tree from the bay area via semi tractor, breaking through the Gate, getting the tree impounded, and blaming everyone else for enforcing the long-standing no-plants LNT policy have to do with anything but the artists' egos?

Interesting. I never knew the story. I just heard that something went wrong with the tree and it wouldn't be put up to replace the derrick. I thought it was a manufactured tree, not a real tree. I'm surprised that this wasn't discovered by the people who approve large projects way back in the planning stages rather than at the gate.

JKhttp://www.mudskippercafe.comWhen I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle.Then I realised that the Lord doesn't work that way so I stole one and asked Him to forgive me.

A 50' tall living nursery-grown redwood tree was brought with the intention of erecting it in place of the fallen Revered Oil Derrick. The tree was treated and permitted as required by law to cross state lines from California into Nevada. A full-time professional tree mover was hired to remain focused solely on the care and health of the tree during it's travels and performance.The performance was choreographed to ensure the tree remained on the playa for no longer than 24 hours.

Today, the redwood tree is alive and well and enjoying a certain kind of fame among it's friends at the nursery.