Clegg vs Farage – Part 1

The debate tonight on LBC will be meaningless to some, but is actually of interest.

We know how Nick Clegg will approach this. He will put a huge economic emphasis on what is a political issue. He will cite statistics that have already been debunked several times over, such as the ‘50% of our trade is with the EU’ (it is actually 50% of our goods transit through the EU regardless of final destination) and ‘3 million jobs will be lost if we leave the EU’ (no entity has ever been able to quantify such a claim).

Clegg will bluster but much of he claims will not stand up to scrutiny. He will then appeal to the ‘we must work all together for better outcomes’ argument – but never once justifying why cooperation is insufficient and why nation states must give up political and judicial control to Brussels.

What remains to be seen is how Nigel Farage plays this.

If he chooses to argue the fatuous points Clegg will make – the ‘wrestling with the Chimney Sweep’ approach, then he will come off badly. If he keeps dragging the debate back onto the political ground where it belongs, he has a chance to make a positive impact on behalf of the anti-EU side.

Farage has to avoid playing into Clegg’s hands. Say what you will about Clegg, you don’t get to his position without having some smarts about you. Farage will be making a huge mistake to underestimate the Lib Dem leader.

I thought he did very well. I was particularly pleased that he mentioned the WTO and that Britain cannot represent herself but must leave it to the EU representative. In fact I thought he missed very few open goals, if any.

Dave C, you need to get a grip. You call me a troll and yet all I’ve done is respond to AM’s last instruction “Let’s see how this pans out”. Providing an answer to your master’s post is the antithesis of trolling. You need to get a dictionary or are you one of those guys who thinks anyone who disagrees with you is a troll?

I thought Clegg gave the most evasive answers I’ve heard from a politician for a long time. I wouldn’t trust the guy any further than I could throw him. Nigel was OK but not brilliant and seemed to be doing his best to live up to AM’s complaint that he doesn’t do detail. Having said that, is there a bigger political turn-off than two politicians hitting each other with competing facts?

Whos my master Sevad? You can’t say anything without making smart arse comments like don’t be too disappointed. Why don’t you piss off some where where you can arselick other cultists if you cant handle facts that upset you. You lot are like a virus with your mindnumbing crap.

Just been reading the Guardian’s coverage of the debate and Clegg’s radio performance the following day. In the comments the vast majority of Guardian readers believe Farage got it right when he said the EU had blood on its hands over the Ukraine. Clegg is roundly slated. Didn’t expect that response from a bunch of leftist progressives.

Now the dust is settling from the first encounter, what’s more interesting is the (lack of) genuine scrutiny by the press.

‘Who won?’ is their obsession. I’ve not seen any pertinent or committed deconstruction of what either of them actually said. If that remains the case for the second encounter, then the two debates won’t just be meaningless to some, they will be meaningless full stop.

I will never ever believe a word any of the lib lab con or the green party say. they are liars. UKIP needs to be given at least a chance, I know they get some of their converts from the bnp, but they also get a lot from labour and conservatives.Paying the eu at least £40million daily to take away our rule of law is utter madness.

UKIP are also against us getting involved in all of these wars that the big three are normally too happy to get us involved in. Before the 2nd debate their deputys spoke and only the UKIP guy mentioned about the hundreds of Christians being slaughtered in places such as Syria.

A person only needs to do a bit of research and open their eyes and ears to find out that man made global warming is acomplete scam. The way them ushered in homo marraige at lightening speed shows us that they have no respect for natural family units. For the LBC guy to try to pin down Farage on his support was funny. Just read a copy of “The Marketing of Evil” and you’ll get the actual proof on what most of us already know.