24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of
the house of Israel. (Matthew15:24KJV)

Originally posted by Caringheart

21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God,
it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after
wisdom:

23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a
stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and
Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and
the weakness of God is stronger than men.

26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not
many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:

27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to
confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound
the things which are mighty;

28 And base things of the world, and things which are
despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought
things that are:

29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.

30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is
made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

I am not sure which Chapter these verses are
from and who is talking!?

However, this is What Jesus (S) said, I am repeating it here again: He said: “I
must preach KINGDOM OF GOD to the other cities
also,because
for this purpose I have been sent"(Luke 4:43 NKJV)

He told them:“... saying, the time is
fulfilled, and the KINGDOM OF GOD is at hand: repent ye, and believe the GOSPEL (GOOD NEWS)”.
(Mark 1:1)

The Kingdom of God was so
important he thought his followers to pray for when it would have come and the
coming of it the Most High name will sanctify and His will would establish on
earth.

He said: “After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art
in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.10Thy
KINGDOM COME,Thy
will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.” (Matthew 6:9-10)

Originally posted by Caringheart

Jesus mission and purposes

21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God,
it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save
them that believe.

22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after
wisdom:

23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a
stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and
Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than
men; and the weakness of God is
stronger than men.

26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not
many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:

27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of
the world to confound the wise; and God
hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are
mighty;

28 And base things of the world, and things which are
despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought
things that are:

29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.

30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is
made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

Is that what the God of Abraham (s) thought his people? Let us
look at the book they believed in and see what it has to say about that.

In
the N.T. Jesus (s) said:

“Not
every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of
heaven; but he that doeth the will
of my Father which is in heaven.”(Matthew 7:21-22)

As we
can see that the ticket to Heaven has a “condition” and that is, we have to “do
the will of the Father” In other words, we have to be obedience to God Law
according to Jesus (S) because he said: “Thy
kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven” (Matthew 6:9). In
the book of James 2:14-17 the God of Abraham (s) put it in a nutshell. It read
as follows:

What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith
but does not have works?Can faith save him?15 If a brother or sister is naked and
destitute of daily food, 16 and one
of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not
give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17Thus
also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. (James 2:14-17)

Jesus (s) told
them “not one jot or one tittle shall no wise pass from the law” and if they
break one commandment the will least call in kingdom of Heaven; and to received
eternal life you will have to believe in the one true God and Jesus Christ whom
He has sent and obeyed the commandment.

“For
verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, not one jot or one tittle
shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 18 Anyone who breaks
one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do so, will be
called least in the kingdom of heaven....."(Matthew 5:18-19)

And,
behold, one came and said unto him [Jesus (S)], Good Master, what good thing
shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, why callest thou me good?There is none
good but one, that is, God: but if
thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. (:Matt.19:16-17 KJV)

That
is, if you keep the commandments you will receive eternal life. In his final
message He looks up to the Heaven and gives thanks to God Almighty for
affording him to give eternal life to all whom God Almighty has chosen; and
that is to believe in the one true God and Jesus the Messiah whom He has sent.

“1These
words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour
is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: 2As
thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given
him.” (John 17:1-2)

This is what he said:

“3And this is life eternal,
that they (the disciples or who call themselves Christian)might know thee the only true God, andJesus
Christ, whom thou (the only true God)hast sent.” (John 17:1-2)

8And
Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written,
Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. (Luke 4:8)

That
is the declaration of faith at the time of Jesus (S), in other words, is to believe in no other deity except the one
true God Allah (S) and Jesus (S) is the messenger of Allah (S) and you will
received ETERNAL LIFE. Same declaration Muslims make except that at the end
they say, Muhammad (S) is the messenger
of Allah (S). That is to say: “I
testify that there is no other deity except Allah (S) and I testify that
Muhammad (S) is the messenger of Allah (S).” Nothing new!

The
God of Abraham (s) said:

“If My people, who are
called by My name, will humble themselves and pray and seek My face and turn
from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their
sin and will heal their land” (2 Chronicles 7:14).

“But if the wicked man turns
from all his sins which he has committed and observes all My statutes and
practices justice and righteousness, he shall surely live; he shall not
die" (Ezekiel 18:21)

Forgiveness of
sins is to make “repentance”, asks the God of Abraham (s) to forgive you for
your sins and do good deeds of righteousness and justices then you will have
eternal life. No one can die for another one sins!

“Fathers shall not be put to
death for their sons, nor shall sons be put to death for their fathers; everyone shall be put to death for his own
sin” [Deuteronomy 24:16],

Allah (s) tells
us in the Quran:

“And those who, having done an
evil deed, or wronged their own souls, earnestly remember Allah, and ask for
forgiveness for their sins, - and who can forgive sins except Allah? - and are
never obstinate in persisting knowingly in (the wrong) they have done. For
such the reward is forgiveness from their Lord, and Gardens with rivers
flowing underneath, - an eternal dwelling: How excellent a recompense for those
who work (and strive)!” [The Qur’an, 3:35-36]. “But seek the forgiveness of
Allah; for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful” [The Qur’an, 4:106].

"That is, if you keep the commandments you will receive eternal life. In his final message He looks up to the Heaven and gives thanks to God Almighty for affording him to give eternal life to all whom God Almighty has chosen; and that is to believe in the one true God and Jesus the Messiah whom He has sent."

I agree with all that you have said and all that you have quoted. What it is that I think muslims do not understand is that it is Jesus... it is this Love... the Love of the Father demonstrated for us in giving His Son in sacrifice... the same way Abraham demonstrated his love for God in obeying when God instructed him to sacrifice his son...

It is this that causes deep love in us to follow and obey, to accept and to do God's will. In this way Jesus shares the yoke with His people... He knows what it was to be fully human and the burden that carries, but with Him (as opposed to without Him)... "my yoke is easy, my burden is light". Following God is easy when you have the love of, and for, Jesus... when we have His Holy Spirit to guide us.

We do not get God's approval simply through the death of Jesus. It is in knowing what God gave to us, in Jesus, that we come to repentance. It is Jesus' sacrifice that leads us to God. It does not buy us admittance to God's kingdom as some who do not understand, and who have not yet been led to God, may believe.

I am in agreement with you. It is only through repentance that we come to God... and through Jesus... through Love... we come to repentance.

Caringheart,
I cannot understand how you can, in one sentence talk about God's love and mercy, and then kill his son without realizing that killing is not love.
Remember in case of Abraham, you mentioned,his son was never harmed. That was God's love, to show Abraham that he passed the test and God would never take blood of a man because God is free of all wants and needs. For God it is like to say "be" and it is.
Salam Br. Zainool may Allah reward you for your efforts to show others the evidence of truth and making sense of things.
Hasan

Edited by honeto - 08 January 2013 at 7:14pm

39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"

Caringheart,
I cannot understand how you can, in one sentence talk about God's love and mercy, and then kill his son without realizing that killing is not love.
Remember in case of Abraham, you mentioned,his son was never harmed. That was God's love, to show Abraham that he passed the test and God would never take blood of a man because God is free of all wants and needs. For God it is like to say "be" and it is.
Salam Br. Zainool may Allah reward you for your efforts to show others the evidence of truth and making sense of things.
Hasan

Wasalaam Brother Hasan! I do hope the scholars take note to investigate it. Watch the latest news on CNN: The are now proposing a 1 TRILLION DOLLAR PLATINUM COIN WHICH HAVE NO VALUE: I GUESS IT IS INTENDED TO PAY THE ARABS FOR MORE OIL AND GOLD.

Caringheart,
I cannot understand how you can, in one sentence talk about God's love and mercy, and then kill his son without realizing that killing is not love.
Remember in case of Abraham, you mentioned,his son was never harmed. That was God's love, to show Abraham that he passed the test and God would never take blood of a man because God is free of all wants and needs. For God it is like to say "be" and it is.
Salam Br. Zainool may Allah reward you for your efforts to show others the evidence of truth and making sense of things.
Hasan

Salaam Br. Hasan,That is not only a good point but facts to reflect on. I did a research on the said topic so Here it is for caringheart:

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Allah
(S) said in the Qur’an:

And
they said (in boast), “we killed Christ the son of Mary, the apostle of
Allah”:- but they killed him not, nor
crucified him, but it was made to appear to them so, and those who
differ therein are full of doubt with no (certain) knowledge, but they follow
only conjecture, for of a surety they killed him not. (Q.4:157)

So He Allah (S) instructed the
Prophet (S) to say:

“Say: ‘Produce
your proof if ye speak the truth’”. (Q.2:111)

I will examine the proof. In the N.T. in John 16:16 (KJV) Jesus (s) told his disciples:

In
the “New International Version” they remove part of the verse “because I go to the Father”

"In
a little while you will see me no more, and then after a little while you will
see me."John16

You see that! They remove this last part of
the verse “becauseIgoto the Father.”WHY? They knew the implication that is
why they removed it! “going to the
father” Christians understand it to mean “the death and resurrection”.

Let
us read it in context, Jesus (S) said:

“…A little
while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me,
because I go to the Father.”John
16 (KJV)

Then
some of the disciples were enquiring what he meant:

17Then
said some of his disciples among themselves, What is this that he saith unto
us, A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and
ye shall see me: and, “Because I go to the Father?”
18They said therefore, “What is this that he saith” A little while? we
cannot tell what he saith.

Now,
Jesus (S) explained:

19Now
Jesus knew that they were desirous to ask him, and said unto them, Do ye
enquire among yourselves of that I said, “A
little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall
see me?”

In V.20to 32, Christians understood it to
mean “the death and resurrection”. So,
when he said: “Because I go to the Father” that is referring to his death. It
read as follows:

20Verily,
verily, I say unto you, That ye shall weep and lament, but the world shall
rejoice: and ye shall be sorrowful, but your sorrow shall be turned into joy.

21A woman when she is in travail hath sorrow,
because her hour is come:but as
soon as she is delivered of the child, she remembereth no more the anguish, for
joy that a man is born into the world.

22And
ye now therefore have sorrow: but I will
see you again, and your heart shall rejoice, and your joy no man taketh from
you.

28 I came forth from the Father, and am come into
the world: again,I leave the world, and go to the Father.

32Behold, the hour cometh, yea, is now come, that ye shall be scattered, every man to his own,
and shall leave me alone: and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with
me.

33These things I have spoken unto you,
that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be
of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

Which
“hour” he is talking? The “hour” of “going to the Father”

In
that chapter, Christians understand “Because I go to the Father” tomean
“the death and resurrection”. We Muslims
understand it to mean the sign that was promised to the Jews when he said:

“For
as Jonas was three days and three nights in the wale’s belly; so shall the Son
of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth”.Matt.12:40

Did Jonas die in the wale belly? No! He
[Jesus (S)] went to Geth-sem-a-ne and
pray asking God Almighty to change the situation.

And
he took with him Peter and the two sons of Zebedee, and began to be sorrowful
and very heavy. Then saith he unto them, My
soul is exceeding sorrowful, even
unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me. And he went a little
farther, and fell on his face. And prayed, saying,O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless
not as I will, but as thou will. Matt.26:35-39

Notice,
he fell on his face and PRAYING to his God asking him to change the situation?
Yes! And what happen next? His God send an angel to help him.

And
there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him.(Luke 22:43)

Another
point he said: “My soul” and not “flesh”, not his human side “flesh” but his spiritual side “soul.” His soul was exceeding sorrowful
even unto death, he fears death. Which God will fear death? According to
the writings of the bible, The Father God was in him and with him in the same
John 16: verse 32 and also john14:10.

Behold,
the hour cometh, yea, is now come,
that ye shall be scattered, every man to his own, and shall leave me alone: and yet I am “not alone,” because the Father
is “with me”. (John 16: 32)

Believest
thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak
unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father
that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. (John 14:10)

If
the Father is “with him and in him”,
what is the purpose of “sending an
angel?”Do angels strengthen God?
Or why the angel has to strengthen Jesus (S) when all power was given unto him?

"...All
power is given unto me in
heaven and in earth." (Matthew 28:18)

The
angel was assuring him what is going to happen. Did God Almighty answer
his prayers? Let us examine what Jesus (S) has to say because all the disciples
fled from the scene.

And
when she (Mary Magdalene) had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus
standing, and she knew not that it was Jesus. Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why
weepest thou? Whom seekest thou? She, supposing
him to be the gardener...(John 20:14-15)

Mary knew Jesus (S) all through his ministry and within a day and a half she
did not recognize him, she took him for
a gardener, why? Is it another man “the
gardener” God Almighty substitute instead of Jesus (S) and place a spirit
(Rooh) upon him to act as Jesus (S)? I suppose, if a Christians saw the so call
photo of Jesus (s) now and after twenty years they would recognize it, is that
a fact? O Yes! Even the disciples did not know him:

But
they killed him not, nor crucified him,but it was made to appear
to them so, and those who differ therein are full of doubt with no
(certain) knowledge, but they follow only conjecture… (Q.4:157)

Mary didn’t recognize him nether the Disciples. As the Qur’an rightly said: “There
are full of doubt with no (certain) knowledge”

Behold!
Allah said: “O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee
(of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme... (Q.3:55)

The question is when did it happen? Is it possible when Jesus was at Gethsemane,
because all the disciples were asleep which also indicate it was night too (see
Matt.26:40) and
that is where they laid hold on him
(the supposed Jesus the Gardiner) Matt.26:57. May
be, Allah (S) has placed a Spirit (Rooh) on him (the gardener) to act as Jesus
(S). Of course, it was night and no one had that in mind [that Allah (S) will
replace him with another man “the
gardener” who Mary recognizes as.

Allah (S) said:

“And
(the unbelievers) plotted and planned, and Allah too planned, and the best of
planner is Allah! (Q.3:54)

To be more certain it is not Jesus (S) we can
look at the accounts of John when they were about to capture him:

V.6As soon then as he had said unto them, I am
he, the went backward, and fell on the ground.

V.7Then ask he them again, whom seek ye? And
they said, Jesus of Nazareth.

V.8Jesus answered, I have told you that I am
he: if therefore ye seek me, let these go their way.

There you can see how Christians miss the
boat. They did see that his enemy didn’t “recognize”
the man to be Jesus (S).

They were asking for Jesus of Nazareth,
Why? Because he was not there! V.4
says that: “Jesus therefore, knowing all
things that should come upon him, went forth and said unto them, whom seek ye?”Think about it, Jesus was asking them “whom seek ye?” and what they said? V.5 “They answered him, Jesus of
Nazareth.” why? Because they didn’t recognize him as Jesus (S) and he was just in front of them,
and the suppose Jesus “the gardener”according
to Mary in John 20:15 where she
supposing him to be the gardener said: “I
am he”. And what happen after that? V.6As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and
fell on the ground. Why? They were shock to know that they man whom
they were looking for was right in front of them and they fall back, because
they didn’t recognize him.AGAIN when he asks them in Verse7 they insisted “Jesus of Nazareth” why again? Because
they didn’t recognize him to be
Jesus (S), but the supposed Jesus the
gardener insisted “I am he,” and
in V. 8 he said: “I have told
you thatI am he”
more emphasis add here, why? Because they didn’t recognize him as Jesus (S), and also where they caught him? In the “garden,” and what Mary said? “She
supposes him to be the gardener.” Coincident!

You
see! He look like a “gardener” and
was caught in the “garden”, And they
didn’t “recognize” him. It was not
him!

I've established that:

1- Mary didn't RECONIZE HIM, Why?

2- The Disciples didn't RECONIZE HIM, Why?

3- And also when Judas and his band went to capture him they
didn't RECONOZE HIM, Why?

4- They captured him in the GARDEN,

5- And Mary took him for a GARDENER.

And
Allah (S) said:

“That
the rejected Faith; That they utter against Mary a grave false charge; That
they said (in boast): We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of
Allah, But they killed him not, nor
crucified him, but it was made to appear to them so, and those who
differ therein are full of doubt with no (certain) knowledge, but they follow
only conjecture, for a surety they
killed him not. Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted
in Power, Wise. And there is none of the people of the book (Jews and
Christians) but must believe in him (Jesus) before his death; And on the Day of
Judgment he (Jesus) will be a witness against them.” (Q.4:156-159)

Jesus said unto her, Mary.
She turned herself, and said unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master. Jesus
said unto her, Touch me not, for I am not yet ascended to my Father:
but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my
Father, and your Father; and my God, and your God.( John 20:16-17 KJV)

Remember
he told the disciples:

“A
little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, ye shall see
me, because I go to the Father.”(John 16:16)

And
Christians understand it to mean that, he will die and resurrect; But the
suppose Jesus is telling Mary he did
not go to the father (died) as yet but
go and tell them he did, “I ascend ” all ready died.But the Devil is quick to draw the vial over
your eyes in changing “I ascend” to “I will go”, I am returning. See other
translations and compare it with the KJV

Allah
(S) said:

For
of a surety they killed him not. (Q.4:157)

Now,
please don’t tell me that he was going up in the sky because he was speaking to
Mary on the earth and he said, “Say unto them, I ascend unto my
Father.” He was just there in front of her.

Paul
testified that Jesus (S) did not die:

Who
in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with
strong crying and tears unto him (God Almighty) that was able to save him from
death, and was heard in that he feared.(Hebrews 5:7)

To
what extend he prayed? He said:

“…My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even
unto death... And he went a little farther, and fell on his face. And prayed,
saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless
not as I will, but as thou will.”(Matt.26:28-29)

“Who in the
days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications
with strong crying and tears unto him(God Almighty)that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared.(Hebrews 5:7)

He
knew the truth, he confesses that he lied:

He said:
“If the truth of God is more abundant in my lies why should I call a sinner?”

In
other words, if he tells some lies to bring people to God he should no call a
sinner.

Even
some of the Jews knew that he didn’t
died, but what they did not know is that, he was the suppose Jesus the
gardener. Read for yourself:

62“Now
the next day… the chief priest and Pharisees came together unto Pilate, 63Saying,
Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three
days I will rise again.

64Command therefore that the sepulchre be made sure
until the third day, lest his disciples come by night, and steal him away, and
say unto the people, He is risen from the dead: So the LAST ERROR SHALL BE WORSE THAN THE FIRST(Matt.27:62-64”

They are talking about FIRST ERROR and LAST ERROR.What is the first error? They knew
that they didn’t kill the suppose Jesus.

Jesus, interestingly, told the Pharisees too:

“go and learn what this means: 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice”
[Matthew 9:13].

We all agree that Jesus
Christ (S) was a righteous and a pious man and the O.T. says that the wicked
will take his place: “In the work of his
own hands the wicked is snared" [Psalm 9:16],

"The wicked is a ransom
for the righteous,
And the treacherous is in the place of the upright” [Proverbs 21:18],

and "The righteous is delivered
from trouble, But the wicked
takes his place" [Proverbs 11:8].

Who
say that? The God of theof the Jews!

Last point, what is a resurrected body? Let
Jesus tells us:

“…For
they are equal unto the angels,” Luke 20:27-27

Meaning,
that they will be Angelised, they will be Spiritualized, they will be Spirit!
As to regards the suppose Jesus:

“Behold
my hand and feet, that it is I myself: handle me and see: for a SPIRIT has no flesh and bone, as you
see me have. (Luke 24:39-40)

If
Christ be not risen from the dead, then our preaching is vain, and your
faith is also vain.(I Corinthians15:14)

Is the crucifixion true or doubtful? The
Qur’an says, “It is doubt full with
no certain knowledge” Why Mary didn’t recognize him, neither the disciples,
even when Judas and his band of men didn’t recognize him when they went to
capture him? Because it was not him (it
was doubt full) and I would not put my soul in something that is “doubt full!”

And they said
(in boast), “we killed Christ the son of Mary, the apostle of Allah”:- but they killed him not, nor crucified him,
but it was made to appear to them so, and those who differ therein are full of doubt with no (certain) knowledge,
but they follow only conjecture, for
of a surety they killed him not. (Q.4:157)

16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.

17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.

18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Peace my friend!

IS "FATHER" A NAME? WHO ADD THAT INFORMATION THERE?

Jesus answered them, "I
told you, and you do not believe; the works that I do in My Father's name,
these testify of Me. (John 10:25)
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I have manifested thy name
unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and
thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word. (John 17:6)

What is the father name?

If the disciples prayed to him then who he prayed to? He said:

“…My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even
unto death... And he went a little farther, and fell on his face. And prayed,
saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless
not as I will, but as thou will.”(Matt.26:28-29)

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