I was simply disagreeing with Genes earlier post of wanting everyone to register their rifle if this bill passes. I'm just not ready to do that yet and will do everything i can to prevent this bill from passing.

The keyword being if. What other option do you see at that time?

The CGF/NRA personality battle is a separate issue where it's not clear even who the combatants are, let alone what they are trying to accomplish by bickering in public. History will tell who did what - Al Gore invented Internet at one time too.

Oh look, Gene's trying to take credit for Off-list rifles in CA again, what a surprise.

Yep. I had nothing to do with forcing the return of 219 Milpitas lowers, creating the legal basis and some of the core intellectual property in the bullet button, or getting the DOJ to admit the Bullet Button was legal. Nothing at all.

I mean, there wouldn't be an organized attempt to discredit me (who volunteers his time) by those who get paid and are smarting that they're getting less relevant. Not. At. All.

-Gene

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Enh, there is not much to be Opsec about here. The other side's problem is this.

They can ban only bullet button rifles and we'll all go featureless and use normal magazines. Plus, the artificial distinctions between the now banned 10 round bullet button rifle and the unbanned MMG gripped AR with a 30 round magazine makes no sense.

As such, they've got to go to the next logical place and ban all semiauto rifles. Sounds like DC banning all handguns. Please put us in that briar patch.

-Gene

Does this ^^^^

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Originally Posted by IVC

The keyword being if. What other option do you see at that time?

The CGF/NRA personality battle is a separate issue where it's not clear even who the combatants are, let alone what they are trying to accomplish by bickering in public. History will tell who did what - Al Gore invented Internet at one time too.

Look like it has the word "IF" in it?

This is what i based my posts on. To me someone is wringing their little hands at the prospect of this instead of giving ideas on how to squash this bill before it becomes law. (maybe i'm just completely taking this out of context) However, when you get attacked by Gene, i would say, "probably not"

Yeah gene, you are responsible for getting 219 Milpitas lowers returned. Congratulations. Of course, that was you, CGF did not even exist, but it was still a victory. I'm not denying you credit where it is due. But by the time the bullet button was invented (not by you), there were 50,000 plus off-list rifles in this state. You were NOT the only person involved in making that happen. Again, they would not have been legal at all without Harrott.

Stop trying to exaggerate what you have done and actually accomplish something. Try to live up to the enormous public persona you have created for yourself.

. But by the time the bullet button was invented (not by you), there were 50,000 plus off-list rifles in this state. You were NOT the only person involved in making that happen. Again, they would not have been legal at all without Harrott.

I could spend a lot of time talking about CGF wins, but if we weren't doing something right we wouldn't be attacked by people on our side.

-Gene

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"“[S]cientific proof” of both gun-rights and gun-control theories “is very hard to get”; therefore, requiring “some substantial scientific proof to show that a [firearm] law will indeed substantially reduce crime and injury” is tantamount to applying strict scrutiny to, and almost certainly will lead to invalidation of, the law." - Kamela Harris

Are you claiming you did all the design work on the BB? Didn't know you had those kind of skills. If you, I'll be happy to give you credit. But by taking credit for all BB equipped RIFLES that enter the state, you are implying that you are singlehandedly responsible for the OLL movement. That just isn't the case.

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Originally Posted by hoffmang

I could spend a lot of time talking about CGF wins, but if we weren't doing something right we wouldn't be attacked by people on our side.

-Gene

So I'm on your side, but I'm attacking you because you are doing well? That makes sense to you? Well, actually that would explain quite a bit of your behavior over the years. All your vicious attacking of other RKBA groups in CA was because you thought they were doing things right! Wow, if we had only known it could have saved a lot of heartache and bad feelings. I on the other hand am criticizing you because I think you deserve the criticism, and I want you to stop making the RKBA fight here in CA harder. You are doing more on that front than Brady and LCAV put together. We could be sitting around right now talking legal strategy against our actual enemies, but instead we are doing this. Why? You need only look at yourself to answer that.

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I could spend a lot of time talking about CGF wins, but if we weren't doing something right we wouldn't be attacked by people on our side.

-Gene

I'm sorry, i respectfully disagree. I for one would love to see a list. I see CGF attacking posters here for asking questions or disagreeing with a platform than i see anyone just blatantly going after CGF. At least thats my perception. Even nasty emails from various board members.

I was talking about a ban, not registration.
I have pistols I bought 30 yrs ago on the state list.

And the roster is...

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Are you claiming you did all the design work on the BB? Didn't know you had those kind of skills.

The only alternative design of a bullet button had serious legal problems. The bullet button that was adopted used my CAD work. To this day the main manufacturer rues one issue with my design that he adopted.

So yes. I do have those skills. It was also not cheap to create and install the first 5 modern bullet buttons. I've never asked for nor made those dollars back.

-Gene

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"The problem with being a gun rights supporter is that the left hates guns and the right hates rights." -Anon

I'm sorry, i respectfully disagree. I for one would love to see a list. I see CGF attacking posters here for asking questions or disagreeing with a platform than i see anyone just blatantly going after CGF. At least thats my perception. Even nasty emails from various board members.

Make it worth my while with a guaranteed large donation to CGF and I will distract from fighting the 50 bills, running our litigation, and defending the innocent and I'll update the list.

-Gene

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"The problem with being a gun rights supporter is that the left hates guns and the right hates rights." -Anon

Make it worth my while with a guaranteed large donation to CGF and I will distract from fighting the 50 bills, running our litigation, and defending the innocent and I'll update the list.

-Gene

I was going to write you a large check with a few more zeroes like i do every year at Christmas time. When i tried to ask questions about the CGF direction, i was attacked. The heart foundation ended up with that check.

Since he's paid part time, he now is the person responsible for getting the deposits in and the bookkeeper updated.

-Gene

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It sure is neat to watch us bicker as these bills move quickly. The 2a sub forum can be seen by anyone who clicks on CalGuns. If I was a gun grabber and stumbled on this thread I'd be giddy right now. Personal attacks. what have you done for me lately? This reads like a soap opera. We need a united front, not a Richard measuring sideshow.

Since he's paid part time, he now is the person responsible for getting the deposits in and the bookkeeper updated.

-Gene

OK So....

CGF IMHO could be a much stronger organization (and a winning organization) if they could learn to accept a little hard feedback.

When we talk about the bill in this thread, here on CGN, why is that its always your way or the highway? You do realize that the 2A is just as much my right as it is yours don't you? Other posters here disagree all the time without drawing the ire of each other on a more personal level.

When someone questions you, the feathers fly. How can we all come together in that kind of atmosphere?

CGF IMHO could be a much stronger organization (and a winning organization) if they could learn to accept a little hard feedback.

When we talk about the bill in this thread, here on CGN, why is that its always your way or the highway? You do realize that the 2A is just as much my right as it is yours don't you? Other posters here disagree all the time without drawing the ire of each other on a more personal level.

When someone questions you, the feathers fly. How can we all come together in that kind of atmosphere?

You say this like you've been universally constructive. Your posts stand for themselves.

-Gene

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"The problem with being a gun rights supporter is that the left hates guns and the right hates rights." -Anon

You say this like you've been universally constructive. Your posts stand for themselves.

-Gene

Sorry!!! I'm just a gun owner, thats it! I don't pretend to be a lawyer, i ask lots of questions that get me bashed, (just asking to learn) I know nobody in this forum personally, and you have the need to dis credit me?

My gosh! LOL!! What did i do?? I am here to learn and form my own opinion on 2A stuff/litigation/politics.

When i am wrong i take note of it and learn from it. Sometimes i'm right and more often than not wrong. But, so what?

CGF IMHO could be a much stronger organization (and a winning organization) if they could learn to accept a little hard feedback.

When we talk about the bill in this thread, here on CGN, why is that its always your way or the highway? You do realize that the 2A is just as much my right as it is yours don't you? Other posters here disagree all the time without drawing the ire of each other on a more personal level.

When someone questions you, the feathers fly. How can we all come together in that kind of atmosphere?

So if, according to you, some anonymous internet poster has an attitude problem, it justifies yours as "Chairman, The Calguns Foundation?" Great leadership.

You see, I have the guts to not be anonymous and own my reputation. You, not so much.

-Gene

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"The problem with being a gun rights supporter is that the left hates guns and the right hates rights." -Anon

You see, I have the guts to not be anonymous and own my reputation. You, not so much.

-Gene

Well, see, I'm not a narcissist, so I actually don't need to plaster my name all over everything. Also, you have clearly demonstrated your willingness to make personal and libelous attacks against those you can identify.

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Don't you think we've all seen your point by now?

Might be time to move on........

I certainly don't, take a look at the post right below yours and tell me if you think Gene has got the point.

I hope everyone can focus on the real enemy here and not each other. I understand the lawyers have their strategy, but at the same time i've been waiting 20 years for the original awb to be overturned.

I hope everyone can focus on the real enemy here and not each other. I understand the lawyers have their strategy, but at the same time i've been waiting 20 years for the original awb to be overturned.

Take a look at Peterson. That case did more damage than our "real enemies" at LCAV and Brady have done in twenty years.

Well, see, I'm not a narcissist, so I actually don't need to plaster my name all over everything. Also, you have clearly demonstrated your willingness to make personal and libelous attacks against those you can identify.

Anonymity releases you from consequences. Taking responsibility for your words is hard work. I understand that that's not something you'd like.

-Gene

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