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Re: Mafia 57: Keeping it Simple

I feel like the forest got too close to doing something they wouldnt have liked.
I might have been 1 vote away and being a stump might not be so bad, wasnt on a lot by the end of the day.
However, i was around enough to be ready to claim, if needed to. And instead i didnt have to at all because of how it went all went down. All in all, i feel lucky that i didnt get lynched, and i would like to think mafia didnt bother priming me considering that i seem to be main lynch interest at the current time.

Re: Mafia 57: Keeping it Simple

Originally Posted by Shinobu Mahara

I feel like the forest got too close to doing something they wouldnt have liked.
I might have been 1 vote away and being a stump might not be so bad, wasnt on a lot by the end of the day.
However, i was around enough to be ready to claim, if needed to. And instead i didnt have to at all because of how it went all went down. All in all, i feel lucky that i didnt get lynched, and i would like to think mafia didnt bother priming me considering that i seem to be main lynch interest at the current time.

I'm sorry, what? You're soft-claiming firefighter but decided that, even at one vote from being lynched, you didn't need to claim? You were counting on inactivity being high enough that the remaining people who had expressed a willingness to lynch yesterday weren't around to do it? And you're saying that one reason you survived is because the arsonists weren't interested in thinning the forest.

Re: Mafia 57: Keeping it Simple

How is anything i said, any different from claiming town role amongst any other game?
Im simply saying in my opinion, 1 forest member down is something people wouldnt want, considering that votes are precious to us.
I was indeed relying on inactivity, it runs quite the risk but it worked didnt it?
Im saying that had any mafia been online (that havent already voted against me) would have hammered me for sure, because of the very reason of people wanting a first day lynch, quite a lot might i add.
But not enough to actually execute it/me.. seems a bit to me like we need to call upon others to make them less inactive so you can actually pass a vote.

Im not saying that i thing the mafia arent thinking of thinning the crowd. I just think the mafia wouldnt have gone to the effort of priming someone that was already being looked badly upon considering it would potentially waste their action.
Due to the fact that i may be lynch today by you guys if that was the case.
Dont you think that the mafia would perhaps try to go for somebody that is most likely a safe prime?
I understand my views on how the mafia will go about their business is different now, but yeah.

Re: Mafia 57: Keeping it Simple

Sorry, I meant to make it in before the hammer dropped but I overslept.

My main issue with yesterday was why on earth we wound up wifh four wagons and I think Im going to be focusing my efforts when I get online on those who started them. Thats utterly ridiculpus especially so late in the game.

That said, I also suspect at least one, if not both, of our arsonists stayed off of the Shinobu wagon. Im currently very suspicious of Shinobu and Space for those reasons.

Hopefully I can inpit more soon and Shuhan and le crys can join in as well. Sorry for the inactivity.

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Sorry on phone. Suspicoous of Shinobi and Space for the multiple wagons. I am incapable of typing.

Re: Mafia 57: Keeping it Simple

Originally Posted by SUDK

How likely do you think it is for both Mafia to be advocating for no-lynches?
Do you think inactives are more dangerous than the Mafia? Being a distraction means that Shuhan should be lynched more than Space, who is legitimately acting scummy?

Unlikely. It was Space, Shuhan and Shinobu who did that, right? Space posted later when several people had already stated that lynching would be better. If his partner had already advocated a no-lynch, I don't think he would have done the same. Thanks for making me type that out because it means that I find it unlikely that Space is scum buddies with Shuhan or Shinobu. But unlikely doesn't mean impossible.

The mafia kills us. Inactives just make me wonder why I'm bothering.
Mafia makes us lose. Inactives make us not win.

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Originally Posted by Huschel

So let me say that I would also be fine lynching SpaceCowboy today. He's misread/misinterpreted/ignored parts of my post at least twice:
- he tries to frame me for role fishing about the firefighter and later retracts

Originally Posted by SpaceCowboy

(1) Lol, you are the one that started making questions about the Firefighter and then purposed a senseless Hypo strategy that multiple people have shut down.

Well, let's have a look then.

Originally Posted by Huschel

Shuhan, when if ever do you think the Firefighter should reveal themselves?

Originally Posted by Shuhan

It's really up to the firefighter. I personally wouldn't want them to out themselves though. Same question Huschel, also, How do you feel about the lynch/no lynch issue?

Originally Posted by SpaceCowboy

@Huschel: Why are you so insistent on the Fire fighter revealing himself?
You made that suggestion on your first post of the Day, and now you are suggesting the Hypo scenario, which is frankly useless because the role of the firefighter is not investigatory. If anything, it allows the mafia to know if one of their Night targets for dousing is safe. It tells the town nothing.

In my original question I did not ask for anybody to reveal themselves. You even agreed with that later on. Shuhan's answer didn't give anything away and if it had then that'd be on him.
So you first claim that I insist on the firefighter revealing themselves. And then you follow that with bringing up my hypo strategy which has nothing to do with the firefighter putting themselves in danger. There is no reason to link those two arguments together like that except for trying to make it seem like I am fishing for the firefighter. This is the misinterpretation I mentioned or assuming it was intentional I'd call it misrepresentation. Whatever the words are, it feels like you were really trying to make me look like scum to the rest of town when there wasn't anything there. And that is a mafia move.

Originally Posted by SpaceCowboy

(2) I already admit that it was a mistake on my part from not reading the "example role PM" part of the wiki. If I had scummy intents I would have avoided all of this confusion by simply saying "sorry, I didn't paid enough attention" and at most people would be pissed off at me for being distracted.

I can follow your argument here and I might just be annoyed because I mentioned that rules part three times and it still didn't seem to be enough. It's an open setup. Everybody should do their homework and know exactly how it works. Of course, some people just want to watch the world burn. Anyway, you read my statement and assumed that I was lying instead of checking the rules again. I don't understand that. Lying is not something a townie player is supposed to do. I guess you would have called me out on it later at some point, maybe.

Originally Posted by SpaceCowboy

@Huschel: You changed your vote but weren't around for the discussion that almost lynched Shinobu. What would you have said if you had been around at that point?

I made sure to say all I had to say before I left. Shuhan showed up after I was gone though so I would have tried engaging with him more. I would have agreed with Wooden that you starting a 4th wagon was unwise. Other than that I might have made aggressive passive-aggressive posts about people who didn't vote but I am making up for that today.

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Originally Posted by Shinobu

I feel like the forest got too close to doing something they wouldnt have liked.
I might have been 1 vote away and being a stump might not be so bad, wasnt on a lot by the end of the day.
However, i was around enough to be ready to claim, if needed to. And instead i didnt have to at all because of how it went all went down. All in all, i feel lucky that i didnt get lynched, and i would like to think mafia didnt bother priming me considering that i seem to be main lynch interest at the current time.

For everybody, including Shinobu:

The first bolded part implies that Shinobu is a tree. The second bolded part does suggest that Shinobu would have claimed firefighter because any other claim wouldn't change anything. So I can see why people are questioning him about that. But in my opinion there's nothing there.

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Originally Posted by Shuhan

Finally have a chamce to post. My apologies.

Huschel: The townie acting as scum question is a loaded one, considering it always seems like pepole twist me into being scummy. Jokes aside, a townies first responsibility is to scum hunt and find the arsonists, not distract from that issue.

I take it you're saying that a townie acting like scum would be a distraction. That's probably true. It's interesting that a stumped player wouldn't need to worry about looking like scum.

Originally Posted by Shuhan

Now, why would I advocate no lynch for today? No matter what, someone is going to be doused, be they stumped or not. I understand the theory that the arsonists might play the long game and wait till they have a substantial amout primed, but that theory is flawed in the fact that we really don't know what they are going to do. In the end, we could end up cutting our noses to spite our faces and Id rather not do that.

Can you rephrase that bolded part for me, please?
Also, I'm assuming the arsonists will not be wasting night actions by igniting more often than they have to. I'm preparing for the case I see as most likely and as it is also the worst one I don't see an issue with that.

So why wait till tomorrow to lynch? Well just as we have done today, we have an entire day of discussion to work with that can be used to find the scum. The difference is that tomorrow, we still will have a full gambit of players to vote as opposed to more than likely hitting a tree vote.

Well, according to my theory, we will have another full day tomorrow with as many players contributing to the discussion as there are today. See you all tomorrow, then. No wait, that's a horrible idea.

Also, inactives don't contribute a vote. We have a couple. Why did you not go after them?

Just something fun I made during the latest Survivor playing as Monji:

Re: Mafia 57: Keeping it Simple

To answer your last question, it would have gone against what I was advocating all day yesterday if I lynched yesterday, but the several wagons business was informing at least.

As for the dousing wordage, I meant to say primed my apologies for any confusion.

I feel more comfortable with lynching today, especially this one.

vote lynch: Shinobu Mahara

The real point of me going for no lynch yesterday was to really gage reactions from other players. Don't get me wrong, I never lied and wanted a no lynch yesterday, but it was interesting to see who agreed with my position. Shinobu was a prime example and now with this ridiculous soft claim, not to mention the wording feels all wrong.

Huschel: why do you believe there is nothing there with Shinobu? For someone who wants tou hound me to near lynch, going soft here seems unlike you.

"I am the wings of despair. I am the breath of ruin. I am the fell dragon, Grima. Pay me the respect I am due, and I promise you a painless death."