By dismissing the likely catastrophic impacts of climate change as too "black and white" for your taste, I wonder if you realise how smug and narcissistic you sound? We can't "adapt" to 4+ degrees. We get the shit kicked out of us. Money won't help.

IPCC says the cost of 4 degrees warming is about 3% world GDP in 2100. That's not great and would no doubt necessitate some relief efforts for the hardest hit. But it's not "an almost unimaginable catastrophe." You're hyperventilating. Calm down.

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Now we have to make immediate cuts of over 5% per year if we are serious about avoiding the really scary stuff.

IPCC says the cost of 4 degrees warming is about 3% world GDP in 2100. That's not great and would no doubt necessitate some relief efforts for the hardest hit. But it's not "an almost unimaginable catastrophe." You're hyperventilating. Calm down.

Which part of the 2007 report did you get the 3% figure from?

The same report also talks about a mass extinction.

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Now we have to make immediate cuts of over 5% per year if we are serious about avoiding the really scary stuff.

What's the big deal? If it were, he'd just fly his private jet to one of his other ones, hire Mexicans to move his shit, sell the house to a Jew, and the relieve the stress by getting a massagee. The worst thing that could happen would be a reduction of his Brobdingnagian carbon footprint.

the only way you can get by is using his intellectually bankrupt method of claiming sea levels will rise, but not actually affect the coast-line because climate scientists are admitting the ocean basins are getting deeper as the continents shift allowing them to hold more water. this means that sea levels will technically increase as measured from the deepest depths, that's only as measured from the bottom of the sea to the top, without respect for the coastline. of course, this directly contradicts his doomsday scenario where california and florida are underwater.

the only way you can get by is using his intellectually bankrupt method of claiming sea levels will rise, but not actually affect the coast-line because climate scientists are admitting the ocean basins are getting deeper as the continents shift allowing them to hold more water. this means that sea levels will technically increase as measured from the deepest depths, that's only as measured from the bottom of the sea to the top, without respect for the coastline. of course, this directly contradicts his doomsday scenario where california and florida are underwater.

I don't know where you picked that up from. Climate scientists are predicting that the sea levels will rise (and have risen). Gore claims that sea levels will rise (the 20ft he mentioned in the vid is about right for the amount of water locked up in Greenland ice, or the West Antarctic ice sheet). He does not claim that sea beds will deepen to compensate.

Do you accept the bet? "Gore's Montecito house would not be affected by a 100ft sea level rise." It's a simple wager. There are no tricks.

How many houses, cars, boats, and planes does Al Gore own now? He must have the carbon footprint of tank battalion.

It's OK. He promotes a scam which says it is OK for some to do it, but not others._________________You're jumping to conclusions, so I can't keep up with you. Go on without me, I'll just slow you down.

mcfluff, if gore really believed in climate change, why did he buy a multimillion dollar mansion that will be one of the first to fall into the ocean if he's actually right about global warming?

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are you betting that gore doesn't believe in doomsday flooding or are you saying he didn't buy a beach mansion? or is his 67 meters of flooding he's talking about not high enough for you.

I'm not sure if he's prepared to bet on it though.

Also, Old School accused Gore of having a huge carbon footprint but (wisely) backed off when asked if he'd bet his avatar on it. Would you or Pjp care to take a crack at it? You've both accused Gore of being a hypocrite because of his carbon footprint.

Prenj appears to have lost his bet that "my guys" (including Gore) don't have any answers but don't let that put you off. I'm sure you both know what you're talking about and can beat me easily.

The deal is this: does Gore's beach house in Montecito make him a hypocrite who doesn't believe what he preaches?

Now change your avatar.

If you can prove (in a way that convinces 75% of people in here) that Gore has a zero or negative carbon footprint, then I'll change my avatar to something humiliating (like a nice picture of Al Gore). If you can't, then you change yours to a nice picture of Rush Limbaugh. That's a fair bet. Will you take it?

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Prenj appears to have lost his bet that "my guys" (including Gore) don't have any answers but don't let that put you off. I'm sure you both know what you're talking about and can beat me easily.

Only in your head.

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How many people saying "we need to start reducing carbon emissions now" do you want?

Some dude saying "we need to cut carbon emissions now" is about as helpful as a person falling from an airplane without parachute saying "we need to stop falling now". Ye you really need to. And Al Gore is taxing people for falling down. Not offering a parachute, let alone wings.

Also, Old School accused Gore of having a huge carbon footprint but (wisely) backed off

Nobody backed off. Gore does have a huge carbon footprint, you on the other hand are too partisan blind (or weak minded like algore) to man up and admit it.

So until you move out of your little fantasy world of make believe, there is no use trying to have an adult conversation with you._________________The further a society drifts from truth, the more it will hate those who speak it.
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If you can prove (in a way that convinces 75% of people in here) that Gore has a zero or negative carbon footprint, then I'll change my avatar to something humiliating (like a nice picture of Al Gore). If you can't, then you change yours to a nice picture of Rush Limbaugh. That's a fair bet. Will you take it?

Predictably, it is not a fair bet. A fair proposition on which to bet would be: "Al Gore has a massive carbon footprint". Will you take it? Winner chooses loser's avatar for three weeks.

If you can prove (in a way that convinces 75% of people in here) that Gore has a zero or negative carbon footprint, then I'll change my avatar to something humiliating (like a nice picture of Al Gore). If you can't, then you change yours to a nice picture of Rush Limbaugh. That's a fair bet. Will you take it?

Predictably, it is not a fair bet. A fair proposition on which to bet would be: "Al Gore has a massive carbon footprint". Will you take it? Winner chooses loser's avatar for three weeks.

You're just not man enough to admit you've been decieved by Al Gore's profiteering off the sound concerns about environment and the state of human society.