Did Israeli soldiers murder unarmed civilians again? Remember also they did the same thing in Lebanon.. Mar 20, 2009 04:30 AM

‘The most moral army in the world’ killed civilians without cause’ JERUSALEM–Israeli soldiers killed unarmed Palestinian civilians without provocation or warning and vandalized their property during this country’s January offensive in Gaza, say some of the soldiers who fought there. In one incident, Israeli soldiers apparently herded a Palestinian family into a single room of their house and left them there, while the troops took positions upstairs and also set up a sniper’s post on the roof. Several days later, soldiers instructed the family to leave the house, directing them to depart the area by heading to the right. They neglected to inform the sharpshooter on the roof what they were doing. One mother and her two children mistakenly turned to the left and were promptly shot dead by the rooftop sniper. “He shot them straight away,” the squad leader said during the college discussion. “I don’t think he felt too bad about it, because, after all, as far as he was concerned, he did his job according to the orders he was given.” The same squad leader reported a general attitude of contempt for Palestinian civilians, a mindset that enabled Israeli soldiers to engage in callous or sometimes lethal behaviour. “I don’t know how to describe it,” he said. “The lives of Palestinians, let’s say, is something very, very less important than the lives of our soldiers. “So, as far as they are concerned, they can justify it that way.” In another incident, a company commander is said to have ordered his troops to shoot and kill an elderly woman walking past them at a distance of about 100 metres. You do not get the impression from the officers that there is any logic to it – to write `Death to the Arabs’ on the walls, to take family pictures and spit on them, just because you can,” said a squad leader who opposed the order. Oher soldiers described widespread abuses of property. “We would throw everything out the windows to make room and order,” said one soldier. Everything in the house was tossed out the windows – refrigerators, plates, furniture. The order was to throw all of the house’s contents outside.” Human rights groups have harshly criticized the Israeli military for its conduct of the war in Gaza – including the use of white phosphorus, a chemical harmful to humans – but the reports published here yesterday were the first documented accounts by Israeli soldiers themselves about widespread abuses. According to the most recent Palestinian figures, 1,417 Gazans died during the three-week conflict, more than 920 of them civilians. At least one Israeli organization, the International Institute for Counter-Terrorism, puts the civilian death toll much lower. The college course at which the soldiers related their experiences was taught by Danny Zamir, who said he was “shocked” by what he heard and decided to publish a transcript of the discussion in a newsletter for course graduates. http://www.thestar.com/News/World/article/605363

The ends do not justify the means.. and does Stephen Harper and the Conservatives now also GIVE approval of all of this too?

,,,the Harper government has moved to align Canada with Israel and its staunchest supporters. Canada is now the most “Israel, right or wrong” government in the world, except for the Israeli government itself. Even Barack Obama’s new administration, itself obviously pro-Israel, has uttered a few mild criticisms about settlements in East Jerusalem and the banning of certain trade with Gaza. But not the Harper government. Mum’s been the word. But do Canadians, while of course being supportive of Israel’s existence and security, really want their country to be the most completely aligned with Israel, especially now that it is to be led by a very right-wing coalition that doesn’t believe in a two-state “solution” to the Palestinian problem http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090323.wcosimp24/BNStory/specialComment/home

JERUSALEM (AP) — An increasingly disturbing picture of the Israeli army’s conduct in the Gaza war emerged Friday, as new witness accounts from Israeli troops described wanton vandalism to Palestinian homes, humiliation of civilians and loose rules of engagement that resulted in unnecessary civilian deaths. They also have echoed Palestinian allegations that Israel’s assault did not distinguish between civilians and combatants, at a time when some international human rights groups contend Israel violated the laws of war. Israel launched the offensive on Dec. 27 in what it said was an effort to end years of Palestinian rocket attacks from Gaza. The Palestinian Center for Human Rights, which conducted a survey of casualties, says a total of 1,417 people were killed, including 926 civilians during the 22-day offensive. “Shoot and don’t worry about the consequences,” was the message from the top commanders, he said. Speaking of a lieutenant colonel who briefed the troops, Mr. Marmor said, “His whole demeanor was extremely gung ho. This is very, very different from my usual experience. I have been doing reserve duty for 12 years, and it was always an issue how to avoid causing civilian injuries. He said in this operation we are not taking any chances. Morality aside, we have to do our job. We will cry about it later. Israeli ethicists say they are troubled by what they have heard. “Unfortunately, I think that selective use of killing civilians has been very much on the agenda for fighting terror,” said Yaron Ezrahi, a political scientist at Hebrew University who has been lecturing at defense colleges. “The army believes that a weak spot of Israeli deterrence is its strong commitment not to kill civilians, and there has grown the sense that it might have to temporarily overcome that weakness in order to restore deterrence.” ” http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ioi_0jtO9RjMwPNRoXNCndRPRq3gD97204S80

a squad commander was quoted as saying: “What’s great about Gaza — you see a person on a path, he doesn’t have to be armed, you can simply shoot him. In our case it was an old woman on whom I did not see any weapon when I looked. The order was to take down the person, this woman, the minute you see her. There are always warnings, there is always the saying, ‘Maybe he’s a terrorist.’ What I felt was, there was a lot of thirst for blood.” http://www.iht.com/articles/2009/03/20/africa/21gaza.php

One soldier asserted that extremist rabbis had told troops they were fighting a holy war.The soldier was quoted as saying that the rabbis had “brought in a lot of booklets and articles,” adding, “their message was very clear: We are the Jewish people, we came to this land by a miracle. God brought us back to this land, and now we need to fight to expel the non-Jews who are interfering with our conquest of this holy land.” http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/21/world/middleeast/21gaza.html?ref=world

The Exemplary Public exposure and prosecution of the unrepentant guilty persons serves everyone’s best interest

So still now what really is needed firstly is not more CHEAP, PRETENTIOUS self regulations, the supposed discipline of their members , or even their ensuring their education, but real INSPECTIONS, EFFECTIVENESS , competency testing.

For it is a fact that anything that will put a self regulating body or a Ministry into a negative light will have a built in tendency still to be denied, suppressed, minimized in reality, to be ineffective .

There in reality is the main one important step that all consumers can take to protect themselves from any unscrupulous persons and that is enforced, exemplary public exposure and prosecution of the supposedly guilty persons by a recognized judicial public body, and so now how many such bad persons now have really been exposed, prosecuted in the last few years in reality too by the responsible Ministers as well? None? and why not?

Exemplary Public exposure and prosecution of the guilty serves very ones best interest… too often still missing in the PROFESSIONAL BODIES, EVEN IN THE RCMP, police forces, churches, ALL GOVERNMENTS as well it seems too.

THERE IS A VERY BASIC COMMON MISCONCEPTION ON HOW TO DEAL WITH ANY PERCEIVED EVEN INJUSTICES, ABUSES, ANYWHERE, IN THE CHURCH AS WELL, BESIDES IMMEDIATELY CALLING THE LOCAL POLICE..

THE NEW TESTAMENT IS CLEAR HOW TO DEAL WITH IT.. COMMUNICATION – AND YOU DON’T FIRST POST IT ALL ON THE NET.

First you merely ask the guilty, bad persons personally to repent twice, the first time without a witness, the second time with witnesses THAT you have asked them to repent.. and proof, substantiation is NOT required.. after you have done that you can next post it openly on the net, tell all the others.

Next God is fully free to deal with the unrepentant guilty offenders and believe me he will.. I have now been doing for decades too..

I SIMPLY SEND AN EMAIL, I PUT IT INTO CLEARLY WRITING, SO THE GUILTY PARTY CANNOT SAY I DID NOT ASK HIM OR HER TO REPENT.

WHETHER THEY ACKNOWLEDGE IT OR NOT TO GOD DOES NOT MATTER.

THE POLICE, RCMP, MINISTERS, GOVERNMENT CONSULTANTS THESE DAYS, IMMIGRANT CONSULTANTS TOO IT SEEMS , SEEM TO BE ANOTHER WORD FOR ABUSERS, THIEVES, LIARS CROOKS. SO WE ALL NEED TO DEAL WITH IT MORE EFFECTIVELY NOW TOO.

We ALSO do still need to understand, define what UNACCEPTABLE abuse and what UNACCEPTABLE hate is, and unacceptable abuse is to deny a person’s legal, human rights, and hate is the clear opposite of love, meaning an unloving act.. Hate and Verbal abuse unrestrained often next do lead to physical abuse in reality too. And both hate and verbal, physical abuses are all unacceptable at all times too no matter who you are or who you think you are too. .

but honestly critiquing NOW certain individuals for their own unacceptable bad act is not always HATE. .

It is a false statement that if one makes any negative statement about anyone, Jews, Muslims, Arabs, white or black, Asian people, natives , etc., that one is a racist or promoting hatred.. maybe one is merely exercising one’s appropriate right of free speech, thought..

Now I had witnessed a Person committing immoral, illegal acts many times and when I rightfully reported it next to to the proper authorities, the clearly guilty person next had distorted the truths and lying had said I was promoting hatred towards him and his family, which clearly now was not so. I was a witness of the immoral acts still, unacceptable wrong doings.

Also I do not believe that everyone sets out to be a deliberate racist, it seems to be often merely a poorly thought out stupid mistake for 70 percent of the persons who do it, and many people once they realize what they have done next do even admit their errors and stop it, unfortunately there are the remaining few hate mongers who still do get carried away with their hatred, sins, who need to be incarcerated for their crimes so they can stop and learn not to do it..

(Rev 2:4 KJV) Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.

(Rev 3:19 KJV) As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

and thou shall love thy nieghbour as thyself always..

It is very clear that the Darby Plymouth Brethren, Dispensationalist Christians to compensate for their failure to try to convert Jewish persons have come up with false reasons for not doing so as well