In The God Delusion, Dawkins contends that a supernatural creator almost certainly does not exist and that belief in a personal god qualifies as a delusion, which he defines as a persistent false belief held in the face of strong contradictory evidence. He is sympathetic to Robert Pirsig's observation in Lila that "when one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion."
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Dawkins will change his mind instantly after he dies . Although i suspect it may be worse , i suspect that he knows full well that God exists but he chooses to serve Satan like most Masons , Illuminati and all this kind of filth .

Infinite Indefinite , I like the picture on the cover of the filth you linked . How ironic that you will get exactly that in Hell , except that there will be no priest there to offer you a final chance for salvation but a devil .

He who fights by my side shall be my brother !
He who serves Christ is my Brother !

Furry Hamster, I hope you realize that you are in fact going to hell (since you believe it exists). You're an inconsiderate ass hole that pushes their beliefs and condemns people to hell for not sharing your common bullshit belief. From what I've learned it's god's (I don't feel it deserves to be capitalized) decision who is condemned, so why don't you just fuck off. But in actuality when you die, you will be buried with nobody at your funeral but me, and when they lower you into the ground I will piss and defecate on your grave sight, burn a bible, and for good measure puke up some "holy" water onto your grave site. Enjoy you ignorant bastard.

You are the one who is going to hell , i think i have explained that to you quite clearly . Inconsiderate ? Repent and you will be my brother , until then you are an enemy and filth and i will treat you like one . I am not condemning you to hell , your unbelief is .

I see you have quite some talent for fantasy there ! Dream On all you like , i am young and i have many days left ahead of me . I will not fuck off and i will continue to spite you .
You can fantasize all you want , besides from proving that you are indeed a depraved peace of crap as i have though , but in the end i will be in Heaven and you will rot in Hell .
The Devil will defecate on you repeatedly and you deserve it .

I would go to hell, but quite frankly it doesn't exist. You have no proof it exists. Just because a stupid fucking book says so doesn't make it true. The only thing this world has to offer is matter and molecules. Hell is an idea, with no physical substance, therefore it does not exist. So why don't you take your stupid fucking ideas and stick it you bible thumping faggot.

I am not a fag and i don't think you are one either , i call you stuff like that because you are an enemy of God .

Why man , why ? Why would you like to suffer when hope , love , immortality , anything you can imagine is just so close . Why not take God's hand ? Is free . Even if i may be a very bad person ( i am not but let us assume that i am ) , God is still good , and if you believe and fallow you will be rewarded . Curse me all you want but don't take it on him .

Read the Good book , believe , pray and he will put it in your heart to have all the prof that you need . He did so with me .

True this world is matter and all that but there si so much more to it . Don't turn a blind eye towards his grace . He does not want you to suffer , he want you to be happy . If you obey him he will grant you happiness and eventually you will travel to realms beyond our own . Why not chose to believe him and experience the great wonders that lie beyond death 's treshhold ?

Hell is quite complicated and i m by no means an expert , all i can say for sure is that is a horrible place . It was not meant for humans but due to our sins we may end up there as well . You said hell is an ideas , it is even is a feeling , like the one that you have . The hopelessness and excess that comes because you believe this life is all there is .

They are not my ideas unless you claim that i wrote the Bible . I did not . All i do is tell you what the book sais . Read for yourself if you think i am a shit and a lier .

Well geez, at least you're being civil instead of calling me apostate filth. That's a pleasant change and I can finally be civil back. Here's my problem with religion - it's all based on belief. I need hard evidence for me to believe something. That's one thing you need to realize about the non-religious society. We are a group of people who have been taught to question life and take things for fact only when there is sufficient evidence to support it. I'm still open to the idea of a god. I find it HIGHLY unlikely, but if some day he came down and slapped me in the face, I may believe in him.

But here's what is most important to me. I have lived most of my life without religion (I tried the god thing, put everything I had into it, but science prevailed), and I have no problems with my life. I'm happy with the person I've become. I'm happy with the way my life is turning out and I have had no need for a belief in a higher power. I figure why change what is already great.

So I think there is something we can both learn here. Let us both be more open minded, respectful of others beliefs, and accept that what we believe may not always agree with what others believe. It's what makes us unique, makes us individuals. You can have your belief in god and I'll have my belief in science. I had no problems that you believe in god. It works for you, makes you happy, so keep it up! I only had a problem when you started bashing other people because they don't share you same belief. But you know what? If christianity is the right way to go then let them find it themselves. Let them live out life and realize they have something missing. If there is a god he will guide them to the light. Otherwise just back off and let people believe what they want, for one CANNOT say they have the best belief, for people get happiness from having their own.

But once again lets keep it civil. I'm tired of fighting with you. Atheism/agnosticism works for my life. It makes me happy and leave a whole realm of ideas to explore. I'm going to keep going at it until I have good reason to believe otherwise, and your rants about going to hell are never going to change what I believe. If christianity is the right way to go I'll find it eventually, but until then I'm sticking to my scientific ideals.

Well , you stopped cursing God ( at lest openly ) , so i take a little joy in it . Why did i curse you ? Simple : I am commanded to reprove and rebuke all those of unsound teaching , although truth be told God does not tell me in what way exactly to do this . Secondly , i have to admit i get a little kick out of confrontation , which is a bit of sin in my part , although not nearly as big a sin as non - belief . Maybe i have exaggerated a little , still what i told you is true : without God you will end up in Hell . Like i said before , read for yourself if you believe me a lier .
Religion is based on belief only at the beginning of the experience . That is the first stepping stone . You start there and then by following God 's words you become something more ( it is not easy , it was easy for me since everyone i know is more or less a believer ) , as time passes and you pray and live according to his words you will start to realize that he begins to talk to you ( no , i do not mean voices in you head ) through his written words and the consciousness within you . Don't start by pondering complex notions like his nature and why things work in a certain way that it does not make sense to you . Start with simple lecture and obedience to simple rules like : don't steal , help those that you can and so forth . In time you will come to understand more and more . If you ever decide to go to a church and they right from the start pass the collection plate , get the hell out of there . They are thieves , nothing more . If they ask for donations something is not right there !
Speaking of God slapping you in the face , he will , but it may be too late . You may consider that many times he does work through people like the devil as well . For instance he might use idiots on the net to get you angry and thinking about things .
I am sure that you enjoy your life , in fact if you chose Christ your life will get worse . People will think you crazy on a regular basis and some might threaten to smash you face in for telling them about Christ . You will lose friends and maybe even family , that is the nature of things . However if you can tough it out the rewards are literally out of this world . One starts by doing the right things for the rewards and end up doing so because of ones duty .
You may actually be a wonderful person who dedicates his life to helping humanity , it does not matter , without Christ you will still end up in hell . Sorry but that is the way it goes .
Neither of us was open minded , i at least admitted it . Not a good idea to be open minded , it implies insecurity in ones beliefs and lives you open an vulnerable . You want to do so , go ahead but its a bad idea . You were a hypocrite , you preached toleration and respect and showed none to me , i understand it cannot be done though . Toleration , at least as the Liberals preach it is total bullshit , they cancel it immediately if someone talk whom they do not like .
I would prefer honest hatred to pretense any day .
Two completely different things / ideas / persons cannot and will not exist in the same universe at the same time for very long . In the end one will have to triumph and subdue or destroy the other , that is how things go .
The problem with modern thinking is that it presupposes that all things are equal and that all is relative , form taste to religion to politics . Things are not equal , i am either right or wrong but not both at ones . Either is speak for God and i am as correct as humanly possible or NOT . Never both at ones .
Doesn't you precious Evolution tell you that life is struggle ? Do things tolerate one another in nature ? No they do not . Either i am a moron or not is irrelevant , it cannot be any toleration in this world . Get along to get along , does not work and never will .

I am right and you are wrong about life , i hope you change your mind though . I will answer any other messages that you may have posted on other treads and leave you alone after that .

You'll leave me alone? Damn... I was enjoying the entertainment this confrontation has brought me.

I love how you openly admitted to agreeing with my basic beliefs about religion and how it manipulates people. How it's no different than communism and supports lack of open thought and individuality.

"Not a good idea to be open minded , it implies insecurity in ones beliefs and lives you open an vulnerable"

This sounds exactly like what communist nations preach to their people in order to manipulate and control the masses.

And once again

"Don't start by pondering complex notions like his nature and why things work in a certain way that it does not make sense to you . Start with simple lecture and obedience to simple rules"

You're preaching lack of free thought here. You want everyone to become corrupted with the lies of christianity and never question anything. You want people to give up what makes them human - the ability to question and seek answers. In essence, you want people to be like a fucking ape! What a fucking hypocrite! Your idea of humanity is strict obedience to a pre-laid out plan with no deviation for free thought or quest for answers in life. Sounds like a step in the wrong direction to me.

Through your ramblings in the last post you have done nothing more than prove you are an ignorant fuck corrupted by the filth of the bible.

I was not going to answer but since you decided to start cursing me although i stopped and i tried to teach you some things , i decided that its worth to take 5 minutes and write again .

Like i said , you started cursing again for no reason what so ever , so it is only just that i refer to you as " filthy minded cretin apostate " . I though that you might have a chance for redemption , my bad . Now i know that you do not . I hope that you go on sinning as you did all your life and get the just reward for your action . This will come to pass , you will burn in hell .

You mentioned something about manipulation , i was telling you that God guides us through faith and his teachings like a parent guides a child . Manipulation happens when someone bullshits another in order to take there stuff . Those a parent manipulates a child ? Buy yourself a fucking dictionary you dumb shit retard and learn the meaning of the word " Manipulation " .
How is faith different from communism ( which by the way you will get to experience in the US if you live there ) ? Simple , one is correct the other is not .

You clearly think that open thought and individuality means aspiring any filthy heresy that comes against the word of God . You totally missed my example about the monster who is an individual . This is because you are a monster yourself and will end up in the same place all monsters eventually end up .

Yes i do preach lack of free though , because you are not strong enough to identify and resist the lies of the devil . You believe his crap , i do not .

You criticize but you did not provide a scale of reference , how do you justify your thought ? You did not do this because you are an incompetent fuck and cannot come up with anything .

You claimed to have nothing against Christians and now again you revert to your own self and hate them and what they stand for .

You are a peace of shit LIER !

Yes i do want want everyone to fallow all that God said , letter by letter . Anything that is against Christ id of the devil , you want people to reject Christ ' s teachings , you are of the devil and when you die you will go to be with your father .
The ability to question and seek answers is not the defining quality of Man . Far from it , place a rat in a maze and he will seek the " answer " which is escape or a bit of cheese . Idiot , you do not even know your own heresy about that evolution crap . You think what makes us human is the ability to fuck up and be a sinner . Not so , not so , not by a long shot . What makes us human , well me at least , is our ability to fallow God willingly out of love . And since you do not have that ability you are not human but filth , i will return the compliment you made in an earlier post and wish that someone kills you .

Anyone who does not fallow Christ is not Human but a Traitor Worm . Christ will return and he will squash Every Worm .

You are the one who is a hypocrite and a colossal one at that . I am honest about my beliefs , you are not even capable to articulate them , you did not provide a scale of reference and probably never will since you are after all a shit .

" Your idea of humanity is strict obedience to a pre - aid out plan with no deviation for free thought or quest for answers in life "

Although a moron you got this one right . That is exactly what i want and more importantly that is that God wants . He provided ALL the answers in his holy book that you blaspheme . There are no more answers to be searched for , there is only truth and our duty to do so . And i will do so . If you are not happy with what God has to say then i am sure that the Devil will provide an appropriate set of lies of for .

" Through your ramblings in the last post you have done nothing more than prove you are an ignorant fuck corrupted by the filth of the bible. "

Through you barking in your last sentence you have proven that i was right all along about you . You are filth , a lier and a hypocrite ! You are indeed worthy of your father the Devi

I didn't change my beliefs. I don't have problems with christians, just ass holes like you. There is a difference. You don't have a legitimate scale of relativity for your statements because saying what "god wants" is a fucking cop-out. You base all of your logic on a fucking made-up book. Go watch jesus and his followers fuck each other in the ass you lame fuck.

How many times do I have to tell you HELL DOES NOT EXIST. I hope you realize the old versions of the bible did not make hell out to be a place of suffering. Only in the newer versions was this idea added in. I don't think god would have to amend his writings, so the newer translations must be bullshit written by filth like yourself to control people.

Yes i do have a fully legitimate scale of reference , the fact that you do no accept it is meaningless . Too bad you have problems with me , since i love Pirate Bay i will not be going anywhere .

Hell exists and you will get there . New versions of the Bible written by fags like you take out hell , not the old ones . Check the link i gave you faggot , you will find hell there . Or better still just go die and find out .

Your fag fantasies are becoming more and more prevalent . You must really enjoy been one ! I think you may be in denial .

Wow! Your dialogue reminds me of what I read about the Middle Ages. Will the US repeat what happened in Europe a few centuries ago?

I think the gist of all this violence is the absence of a true alternative to religious spirituality. The French arrived at this in their famous revolution (in which the American revolution was inspired), and their moto: freedom-equality-fraternity can still be read today in many monuments in Paris.

"Science", it its materialistic version as it is understood today in the US, is not enough to provide a way to deal with the spiritual aspects of the world. A universe that has only "molecules" or elementary particles and forces, has no respect for Mozart. In such a universe we are the ones to give Mozart, or Louis Armstrong, such a high value. But, according to this materialistic view, they are just like a random set of sounds - it's just us, our psychological make up, that makes certain sequences of sound *seem* beautiful, while others *seem* chaotic.

This relativity does not provide, I think, a plausible description of many of our experiences. I find it difficult to believe that Mozart's music just "appears" beautiful. By the contrary, I think it *is* beautiful and the fact that plants grow better when they are in its presence, for me, makes perfect sense. The same can be applied to many other fields. There is a kind of *inspiration* that cannot be easily explained by "neurons in our brain" and which allows to create and access true beauty (that is, beauty that is objectively beautiful).

In the end, as long as "science" (critical thinking based on strong evidence and considering all hypothesis) does not open itself up to new realities and dimensions, while it stays focused in its materialistic paradigm, it will be hiding on one side of the barricade.

Of course, there are many free thinkers that are curious and go as far as they can, in any direction. Perhaps there will be many places where they will feel at lost (like Oliver Sacks in his new book, Musicophilia), but isn't it this "being at lost" one of the greatest things in life: to explore new worlds?

But science is today largely made of skeptics, that will laugh at, instead of research, claims like the ones gave by Cleve Baxter, or by Delanoy, Utts and Hymen.

I, for one, like to live the mystery, and I do explore in every direction I can.

I have no idea about the existence of God or what he eventually may want or expect of us. Although I do feel many things in this context, I live them out as a passion. I cannot prove that I am in love, nor do I want to, I just like to kiss and be kissed.

All the best for you and, lets hope, this site and the free culture and wisdom that it opens up to!

So all u pathedic people who are mental ill n delusional.
If there supposibly is a god, why dont u committ suicide n come back to us folks who are not blind deaf n dumb n fooled by relious dogma, who is in fact specific humans thruout history self inested interests to dominate others thru fear n lies, for their own benifits, be they financial, power over others as in the church n those within the state/federal who use region n the god arguement to satisfy their own ends such as war pitting one group of religious idiots (their own ) another another group of religious idiots or as Frank Zappa so humorously put it,
If god is dumb then humans are dumb n een a little ugly on the side (minus those, I add who are honestly deeply mutually respecting of each other n all forms of life people who think n act for themseles.) Personal spirituality is great as long as no one inflicts it upon anyone else.
Religion is criminal n insane.

I just wanted to point something out to Furry Hamster. First of all if you're so religious then WHY ARE YOU ON A PIRATING SITE!?!?!!?! This is an illegal site and your god would probably condemn you are that because he hates everyone. Second of all I'm deist so I do in fact think there is something up there but I would rather go to hell than be in the presence of your so called father. Your god is a complete dick that sends people to hell for no reason. I mean look at what you all think about gays. God makes them gay so that he can just send them to hell? Yeah fuck him. The being I believe in accepts you for being good and I don't appreciate filth like you thinking that you understand god's will. When you die then you'll find out what really happens (like Satan butt raping you for eternity). By the way you do realize that you're going COMPLETELY against Jesus' message right? (I didn't feel like reading your entire rant so I don't know about your Jesus belief) but he was completely about love and accepting others. I think that if according to YOUR beliefs, Jesus (who I don't believe to be holy or come back to life) forgave someone for KILLING HIM then you can suck it up and keep your shit to yourself and let others live the way they want to live.

This is a PDF by the way. vvvvvvvvvvirtualhead put it well: "I wanted to see comments on how the download is. Instead, I see a religious argument. I hope you realize that if you disagree with what this book is about, you don't have to look up the torrent."

Furry hamster is a dumb ass.If God is a moral being who care for people then surely he would send Dawkins to heavin many times over before even considering you.And if god is how you would describe him in your "Holy" book then he does not derserve to be worshipped and satan rebeling against God would surely show he has humanitys intrest closer at heart the yahway. the product is good however.

@proselytizing idiots: Jesus Babyfucking Christ. Shut up, and go crawl back under whatever rock you came out from, you unevolved piece of Middle Ages stupid. Also, learn how to spell. Calling someone a "lier" just makes your argument weaker. Not that it needed any help.

Sorry. Had to get that off my chest.

@people looking for info on the actual book: It appears to me to be intact; I have not yet read it, but there's a slight page numbering discrepancy that appears to derive from dropping blank pages between chapters, and there are some garbled page headers (the "Chapter Title" at the top of any given page) but it seems that the text itself is intact. Again, I have not yet read it, just tore through looking for glaring problems, so don't yell at me if you find a broken page in the middle of the book or something like that. ;-)

Guise stahp! Let me quote my favorite bible passage so we can all get along... Ezekiel 23:20 "There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses."