"Fox News Sunday" is heading to Louisville, Ky. Jack Conway, Kentucky's attorney general and the Democratic candidate for Senate , and Rand Paul, the Republican nominee and son of Representative Ron Paul, Republican of Texas, have agreed to a live debate on "Fox News Sunday" on Oct.3 at 9 a.m. (Eastern time).

<quoted text>As usual, our resident Baboon is adding his two cents of dog shit! The ATF ran a whole series of "gunwalking" sting operations between 2006 and 2011 starting in Tucson and then moving the operations to Phoenix under the supervision of William Newell who later started operation “Fast and Furious’. It started small, to the objections of many involved in it, as it grew bigger and bigger with each new operation. The goal was to track the firearms as they were transferred to higher-level traffickers and key figures in Mexican cartels, in theory leading to their arrests and the dismantling of the cartels. Firearms "walked" by the ATF have been found at violent crime scenes on both sides of the Mexico–United States border ever since its inception in 2006, including the deaths of hundreds of Mexicans and at least one U.S. federal agent. Eventually dissenting ATF agents came forward to Congress in response to having become increasingly controversial in both countries, and diplomatic relations have been damaged as a result. Curiously, the very Gov’t official who finally put an end to the highly questionable program is now being prosecuted for it – is this a great country or what?!There are rumors of "gunwalking" in at least 10 cities in five states. The most widely known and controversial operations being the ATF's Phoenix AZ field division.

Sorry ... Not in the slightest what happened....

The first program was called Wide Receiver... That program was to track a specific group of gun runners... Each gun had a tracking device in the weapon, each weapon was tracked by helicopter and ground, The Mexican law enforcement was informed of the program from the start and every time a weapon crossed the boarder... There were about 1400 weapons put into play ... At some point a few of tracking chips were found by the gun runners and removed... Since they were being individually tracked as soon as this happened the program was ended, that was in 2007... And the Mexican along with US law enforcement raided the cartels operations and 1,200 arrests were made and 1250 of the 1400 weapons were recovered and destroyed...

2 years after the Wide Receiver program was ended. those that remember the News Media stories at the time will remember there were a bunch of reports of American guns going to Mexico by the media but it was also reported that the vast majority were coming from south America.. The several ATF offices started Fast and Furious.. over 2,200 weapons were sent... Not a single weapon had a tracking device installed, Not a single gun runner was under surveillance... When several gun shop called ATF to report people trying to buy lots of guns the AFT told the shops to sell them anyway.. When local law enforcement became aware of the gun sales the ATF stopped them from making arrests... The ATF also contacted boarder crossings to make sure the shipments were not stopped... And at no time did the ATF or DOJ ever tell any Mexican law enforcement of the program or a single shipment of guns into Mexico...

Of the 2,200 weapons sent into Mexico the only weapons recovered were those found at crimes scenes and murders... of those 2,200 weapons 1,400 plus are still unaccounted for and will be killing people for decades to come... And there is no doubt that some of those guns will cross back into the US and kill Americans on US soil in the future. So far those guns have been traced to the deaths of 2 American Agents as 400 Mexicans..

My personal view is that the DOJ did this for one purpose.. To flood Mexico with weapons so that when they are found it can be used as a talking point to tighten US gun laws and get the Assault Weapons ban reinstated... They did not think that someone would blow the whistle blowers which is how this came to light.. Someone in ATF leaked memos and the program was stopped After it was leaked that it even existed....

<quoted text>Sorry ... Not in the slightest what happened....The first program was called Wide Receiver... That program was to track a specific group of gun runners... Each gun had a tracking device in the weapon, each weapon was tracked by helicopter and ground, The Mexican law enforcement was informed of the program from the start and every time a weapon crossed the boarder... There were about 1400 weapons put into play ... At some point a few of tracking chips were found by the gun runners and removed... Since they were being individually tracked as soon as this happened the program was ended, that was in 2007... And the Mexican along with US law enforcement raided the cartels operations and 1,200 arrests were made and 1250 of the 1400 weapons were recovered and destroyed...2 years after the Wide Receiver program was ended. those that remember the News Media stories at the time will remember there were a bunch of reports of American guns going to Mexico by the media but it was also reported that the vast majority were coming from south America.. The several ATF offices started Fast and Furious.. over 2,200 weapons were sent... Not a single weapon had a tracking device installed, Not a single gun runner was under surveillance... When several gun shop called ATF to report people trying to buy lots of guns the AFT told the shops to sell them anyway.. When local law enforcement became aware of the gun sales the ATF stopped them from making arrests... The ATF also contacted boarder crossings to make sure the shipments were not stopped... And at no time did the ATF or DOJ ever tell any Mexican law enforcement of the program or a single shipment of guns into Mexico...Of the 2,200 weapons sent into Mexico the only weapons recovered were those found at crimes scenes and murders... of those 2,200 weapons 1,400 plus are still unaccounted for and will be killing people for decades to come... And there is no doubt that some of those guns will cross back into the US and kill Americans on US soil in the future. So far those guns have been traced to the deaths of 2 American Agents as 400 Mexicans..My personal view is that the DOJ did this for one purpose.. To flood Mexico with weapons so that when they are found it can be used as a talking point to tighten US gun laws and get the Assault Weapons ban reinstated... They did not think that someone would blow the whistle blowers which is how this came to light.. Someone in ATF leaked memos and the program was stopped After it was leaked that it even existed....

<quoted text>The democrats have made a living the last five years complaining. It's still "GWBshitheadWMD screwed everything up so bad it'll take another 4 years to fix, maybe more!". Everything is someone else's fault and we want to get even.As far as PMSNBC, Rachel and crew spin & opine as much as any attempting to prove their beliefs. They are not news reporters any more than I am, it's just you want to believe what they say because you agree with them. If you can't see that then you aren't objective.

I don’t mock President Bush’s name even though I do believe he made a number of mistakes, especially starting wars that he not only did not fund, but also cut taxes, political wars that resulted in needlessly wasting American lives that he justified as appropriate reaction to 911.

Nor do I blame President Bush for all problems in America, which of course would be ridiculous, even though it is true that President Obama inherited wars and an economic depression that were a direct result of some of his policies, including the above mentioned an others, most notably financial deregulation.

I dont think the issue is that Democrats want to “get even,” we’ve just been recovering.

Finally, I believe it is at least sexist to mock the name of MSNBC to imply that it would have anything to do with PMS, even though you appear to disagree without exception with its progressive advocacy.

<quoted text>I don’t mock President Bush’s name even though I do believe he made a number of mistakes, especially starting wars that he not only did not fund, but also cut taxes, political wars that resulted in needlessly wasting American lives that he justified as appropriate reaction to 911.Nor do I blame President Bush for all problems in America, which of course would be ridiculous, even though it is true that President Obama inherited wars and an economic depression that were a direct result of some of his policies, including the above mentioned an others, most notably financial deregulation.I dont think the issue is that Democrats want to “get even,” we’ve just been recovering.Finally, I believe it is at least sexist to mock the name of MSNBC to imply that it would have anything to do with PMS, even though you appear to disagree without exception with its progressive advocacy.

Thanks for a civil response, not used to seeing many.

Bush abandonded the fiscal conservatism that brought me to the republican party several years ago. He was in way over his head and was a major disappointment at the least.

I just wish the election would come down to policy rather than posturing, but I suppose that will come with the debates.

Sorry about the p on msnbc, was just a response to others that cannot post without wingnuz or faux news because thats all they have and lack any logic. Like I said, I watch Morning Joe to get that perspective, and don't really have a problem with Rachel & crew, but people that hate fox usually eat her up. Can't have it both ways.

You might also want to investigate the U.S. debt that Bush left us.Along with this investigation please explain the debt Obummer has given our Nation!!Some 3 times what Bush left!Where has all the loans and stimulus money gone to?Where has the jobs and manufacturing gone to?Where has all the secure Border gone to?Why has Obummer sent so many illegals home but we have more than ever now?Why give amnesty for the third time and expect a different result from the first two times??This could go on and on but you get the point,(maybe)?

Nothing what you're saying is based in fact - it is your opinion and it wrong

Op-Ed column describing Obama's PresidencyBy Matt Patterson (columnist - Washington Post, New York Post, San Francisco Examiner)Government & Society:Years from now, historians may regard the 2008 election of Barack Obama as an inscrutable and disturbing phenomenon, the result of a baffling breed of mass hysteria akin perhaps to the witch craze of the Middle Ages. How, they will wonder, did a man so devoid of professional accomplishment beguile so many into thinking he could manage the world's largest economy, direct the world's most powerful military, execute the world's most consequential job? Imagine a future historian examining Obama's pre-presidential life: ushered into and through the Ivy League despite unremarkable grades and test scores along the way; a cushy non-job as a "community organizer"; a brief career as a state legislator devoid of legislative achievement (and in fact nearly devoid of his attention, so often did he vote "present"); and finally an unaccomplished single term in the United States Senate, the entirety of which was devoted to his presidential ambitions.He left no academic legacy in academia, authored no signature legislation as a legislator. And then there is the matter of his troubling associations: the white-hating, America-loathing preacher who for decades served as Obama's "spiritual mentor"; a real-life, actual terrorist who served as Obama's colleague and political sponsor. It is easy to imagine a future historian looking at it all and asking: how on Earth was such a man elected president?Not content to wait for history, the incomparable Norman Podhoretz addressed the question recently in the Wall Street Journal: To be sure, no white candidate who had close associations with an outspoken hater of America like Jeremiah Wright and an unrepentant terrorist like Bill Ayers, would have lasted a single day. But because Mr. Obama was black, and therefore entitled in the eyes of liberaldom to have hung out with protesters against various American injustices, even if they were a bit extreme, he was given a pass. Let that sink in: Obama was given a pass - held to a lower standard - because of the color of his skin.Podhoretz continues: And in any case, what did such ancient history matter when he was also so articulate and elegant and (as he himself had said) "non-threatening," all of which gave him a fighting chance to become the first black president and thereby to lay the curse of racism to rest? Podhoretz puts his finger, I think, on the animating pulse of the Obama phenomenon - affirmative action. Not in the legal sense, of course. But certainly in the motivating sentiment behind all affirmative action laws and regulations, which are designed primarily to make white people, and especially white liberals, feel good about themselves.But really, what were we to expect?

Now here is a perfect example how right-wingnuz propaganda operates, this Matt Paterson character isn’t a columnist for any of the news paper. Matt Paterson is a rabid right-winger who puts Rush Limbaugh to shame with his mountains of lies and fabrications. The man is a piece of walking human garbage!Go ahead google Matt Patterson and here is his site. Seriously, go see it.Matt Patterson Online: http://mattpattersononline.com/welcome/Home.h...And here is his contribution as a ‘columnist’ to The Washington Post. A single online letter to the editor from 2009Now, Google Matt Patterson Washington Post August 18, 2011 and guess what you get? Hundreds of conservative sites linking to this ‘remarkable’ article. But what you won’t get is any evidence that the article every actually ran in The Washington Post.In fact, if you go to www.washingtonpost.com and search for Matt Patterson, you get nothing.This is an example of what is remarkable about the right-wing echo chamber and its puppet followers ...

<quoted text>As usual, our resident Baboon is adding his two cents of dog shit! The ATF ran a whole series of "gunwalking" sting operations between 2006 and 2011 starting in Tucson and then moving the operations to Phoenix under the supervision of William Newell who later started operation “Fast and Furious’. It started small, to the objections of many involved in it, as it grew bigger and bigger with each new operation. The goal was to track the firearms as they were transferred to higher-level traffickers and key figures in Mexican cartels, in theory leading to their arrests and the dismantling of the cartels. Firearms "walked" by the ATF have been found at violent crime scenes on both sides of the Mexico–United States border ever since its inception in 2006, including the deaths of hundreds of Mexicans and at least one U.S. federal agent. Eventually dissenting ATF agents came forward to Congress in response to having become increasingly controversial in both countries, and diplomatic relations have been damaged as a result. Curiously, the very Gov’t official who finally put an end to the highly questionable program is now being prosecuted for it – is this a great country or what?!There are rumors of "gunwalking" in at least 10 cities in five states. The most widely known and controversial operations being the ATF's Phoenix AZ field division.

<quoted text>Oh come on now, what a restarted f-kng baboon you have zero credibility, yesterday you called it operation "full back" you don't have a friggen clue what you are talking about

Let's start with I think you're lying when you say you're "a soldier."Then, let's talk about the content of the post. You didn't answer any points. How about you try again, and this time put some content into your post.I'll help you. Here's the post again:

You Dummycrat dupes will avoid any fact to hide your criminal behavior.Bush Wide Receiver - The number of guns used in the operation from the beginning until the end of the operation was 300.Obama Fast & Furious - The number of guns used in the operation from the beginning until the end of the operation was 2,000.Bush Wide Receiver - Guns were traced with miniature GPS devices inserted inside the gun.Obama Fast & Furious - No tracking devices were used.Bush Wide Receiver - ATF agents were ordered to follow the gun smugglers from the gun store to the US/Mexico border.Obama Fast & Furious - ATF agents were ordered to stand down and not follow the gun smugglers after they left the gun store.It becomes obvious Bush intended to investigate and gather intelligence, while Obama and Holder intended to run guns for the Mexican drug cartels.

<quoted text>Other than Bush taking a surplus and turning it into a $5 Trillion debt.Other than Bush signing the American Dream Down Payment Act that caused loans to be made that never should have been made.Other than Bush not having regulations on Wall St. and the Banks that later were bailed out.Other than Bush starting a war that cost 4,000 lives, 30,000 wounded and $2trillion looking for WMDs that were never there.Other than Bush failing to get Ben Laden. Other than Bush failing to see 9/11 coming.Other than Bush letting a program called "Operation Wide Receiver" start that allowed guns into Mexico to be used by the drug cartels...Other than these things he's not to be blamed at all.

... talk about clueless idiots.

Let's start with Bush inheriting the dot-com bust. Then, the Arabs start a global war with the United States. That had a cost.Now, let's talk about what the cost was to bribe the dummycrats so they wouldn't do what they did throughout the Cold War and sabotage the United States during a time of war. To get the dummycrats to not sabotage the country, the Republicans gave them their lunatic subprime housing mortgage underwriting program with virtually no oversight. Ultimately, the Democrats' idiotic subprime loan program collapsed the economy.

But, humor me. Please tell all of us what Bush did to start two wars, and who were the two different enemies in these supposedly different wars?

<quoted text>Let's start with I think you're lying when you say you're "a soldier."Then, let's talk about the content of the post. You didn't answer any points. How about you try again, and this time put some content into your post.I'll help you. Here's the post again:You Dummycrat dupes will avoid any fact to hide your criminal behavior.Bush Wide Receiver - The number of guns used in the operation from the beginning until the end of the operation was 300.Obama Fast & Furious - The number of guns used in the operation from the beginning until the end of the operation was 2,000.Bush Wide Receiver - Guns were traced with miniature GPS devices inserted inside the gun.Obama Fast & Furious - No tracking devices were used.Bush Wide Receiver - ATF agents were ordered to follow the gun smugglers from the gun store to the US/Mexico border.Obama Fast & Furious - ATF agents were ordered to stand down and not follow the gun smugglers after they left the gun store.It becomes obvious Bush intended to investigate and gather intelligence, while Obama and Holder intended to run guns for the Mexican drug cartels.Now, tell us what in the above post is inaccurate....

The ATF ran a whole series of "gunwalking" sting operations between 2006 and 2011 starting in Tucson and then moving the operations to Phoenix under the supervision of William Newell who later started operation “Fast and Furious’. It started small, to the objections of many involved in it, as it grew bigger and bigger with each new operation. The goal was to track the firearms as they were transferred to higher-level traffickers and key figures in Mexican cartels, in theory leading to their arrests and the dismantling of the cartels. Firearms "walked" by the ATF have been found at violent crime scenes on both sides of the Mexico–United States border ever since its inception in 2006, including the deaths of hundreds of Mexicans and at least one U.S. federal agent. Eventually dissenting ATF agents came forward to Congress in response to having become increasingly controversial in both countries, and diplomatic relations have been damaged as a result. Curiously, the very Gov’t official who finally put an end to the highly questionable program is now being prosecuted for it – is this a great country or what?!There are rumors of "gunwalking" in at least 10 cities in five states. The most widely known and controversial operations being the ATF's Phoenix AZ field division.

Operation Fast and Furious, an administration initiative that allowed two thousand guns to fall into the hands of Mexican drug cartels that led to the death of hundreds, plus a U.S. Border Patrol Agent.Ms. Pelosi claims, "It's frivolous to invoke contempt of Congress." She calls it,." Undermining his name as he goes forward to defend and protect the Constitution of the United States."“What we have seen is the shameful display of abusive power by the Republicans in the House of Representatives.Abuse of power? Idiot!!!!Then at her Capitol Hill press conference last Thursday, she goes on to say, "Republicans have stalled and diverted attention from legislation that would create jobs because they embrace a philosophy of “laissez, lassez, laissez, laissez, laissez, laissez, laissez faire."Then she goes on to ask, "Why would they do such a thing? It’s because it’s their philosophy,. they are the party that makes Adam Smith look like a Keynesian. They are laissez, lassez, laissez, laissez, laissez, laissez, laissez faire. No supervision. No regulation. No discipline."She goes on to say, "Laissez, laissez, laissez faire in terms of they don’t want any initiatives for clean air, clean water, food safety, public safety, public education, public housing, public transportation, public health, Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security.""This is what they believe, no government," she said, "And bless their hearts, they act upon their beliefs. And their beliefs are dangerous to a thriving middle class in our country.”Thriving middle class??? Who, where???Well, that's the Republican way according to this train wreck: We hate clean air, clean water, food safety, public safety, public education, housing, transportation and health. And we are out to destroy Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security, according to this brain-dead imbecile.Yup.......... " laissez, lassez, laissez, laissez, laissez, laissez, laissez faire."

Repetition, repetition, repetition,,, I'm getting sleeeeeepy,,, hurry, and tell me more bullshit before I wake up. Ha! What a dupe! See what I mean about the wingnut extremists and their insatiable desire for repetition? Prosecute the bush cartel/crime family!

<quoted text>Repetition, repetition, repetition,,, I'm getting sleeeeeepy,,, hurry, and tell me more bullshit before I wake up. Ha! What a dupe! See what I mean about the wingnut extremists and their insatiable desire for repetition?Prosecute the bush cartel/crime family!TIR

You should know, I believe you wrote the book(Prosecute the Bush cartel/crime family)TIR

<quoted text>The ATF ran a whole series of "gunwalking" sting operations between 2006 and 2011 starting in Tucson and then moving the operations to Phoenix under the supervision of William Newell who later started operation “Fast and Furious’. There are rumors of "gunwalking" in at least 10 cities in five states. The most widely known and controversial operations being the ATF's Phoenix AZ field division.

June 24, 2012Obama and the Kingdom of the Concrete SkullNothing better summed up a week where the economy continued its tumble, the presidential approval rate continued its downward slide, and the President invoked executive privilege with respect to the government gun running operation which resulted in the deaths of hundreds of people including our own border agent, Brian Terry, and perhaps an ICE agent of ours as well. There was only one thing left for the failing president to do. Make a claim of executive privilege.....

No one who objectively scrutinized the actual resume of Barry Soetoro, in contrast to the blank slate upon which you project your hopes and dreams, should be one bit surprised by the situation in Washington right now. It was inevitable.

Barry is not our president, he is a liar, a fraud, a Marxist, and now we suspect him to be a felon.

Fast & Furious is perfectly in congruity with tactics he has used his entire public life.

The Bill Whittle Afterburner piece is absolutely brilliant - it ties the entire escapade up and puts a pretty bow on top. This operation is an attempt by Obama (not Holder) to attack our Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms.

Remember the reason that this right exists: to protect you from tyranny. It is not so that you can walk down the street with a Colt strapped to your belt, although that is a nice side benefit. It is the response, it is the residue, of the Boston Massacre and the Battle of Lexington and Concord where the King's Militia were either shooting at British subjects or attempting to deprive British subjects of arms they deemed necessary to thwart the tyranny of the Crown.

A citizenry deprived of arms is powerless to defend itself when governments go bad.

The resultant and nascent American government sought to ensure that in the future no government on American soil would have that advantage over its citizens. They knew that government was a necessary evil and that it needed to be limited in many different ways from the tyranny of the majority. That is the reason for freedom of speech, assembly, petition of grievances. That is the reason for checks and balances, that is the reason for a separate and impartial judiciary.

The Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States are two of the most important and significant documents ever written in the history of mankind as they seek to empower individuals with ownership of their government supported by inalienable rights that come to us from God, not from government.

Barry Soetoro thinks that they are just the opposite of what the authors of the documents intended. Barry Soetoro thinks that just because he is a Harvard trained lawyer that he can tip his head back and ignore the pleas of those whom he was elected to represent.

Let me tell you something. The Constitution of the United States was written as to be accessible and discoverable to the citizens it protects. It does not need a Choom Smoking, Coke Snorting, Community Organizing, Constitutional Lecturing, Affirmative Acting, Black Liberation Theologizing, Gun Running Marxist to interpret it for them.

Dubbed "Operation Wide Receiver," the Bush-era operation was run out of Tucson between 2006 and 2007, ending before Bush left office and before Fast and Furious began under Obama in 2009.

The differences between it and Fast and Furious are vast, starting with the fact that

Wide Receiver produced no dead bodies.<<<---<<

Operation Wide Receiver used the common law enforcement tactic of "controlled delivery" in which the illegal sales of weapons were allowed to take place, the movements of the weapons were closely monitored and the end purchasers were then apprehended. It involved gun-tracing, not gun-walking.

<quoted text>Other than Bush taking a surplus and turning it into a $5 Trillion debt.

What "surplus"? the Economy was already in recession when Bush took office. But the CBO had based its surplus estimate on the existing tax and spending laws and on an economic forecast that simply did not stand the test of time. Half of that 5 trillion dollar debt was thanks to massive increases in government spending alone..

Justthefacts wrote:

<quoted text>Other than Bush signing the American Dream Down Payment Act that caused loans to be made that never should have been made.

Not requiring a down payment was a very bad idea, however, the Democrats in congress not allowing the Bush administration to change the rules INCREASING credit requirements for those getting home mortgages, as well as Democrats pushing Fannie/Freddie to buy the mortgages from banks-thus there being no downside to banks giving mortgages to people who couldn't afford them, since fannie/freddie (essentially the gov't) was buying them as soon as the banks created them...and threatening to sue the banks for discrimination if they didn't make those loans...

Justthefacts wrote:

<quoted text>Other than Bush not having regulations on Wall St. and the Banks that later were bailed out.

Glass-Steagal was repealed, but it didn't cover the investment banks like Leahman Brothers to begin with. Bush put forward 7 different times a requirement to change the home mortgage lending practices...it was shot down by Democrats each time. First in through filibuster and congressional rules by the minority democrats, then after the '06 elections Bush's reforms never made it out of Democrat controlled committees.

Justthefacts wrote:

<quoted text>Other than Bush starting a war that cost 4,000 lives, 30,000 wounded and $2trillion looking for WMDs that were never there.Other than Bush failing to get Ben Laden. Other than Bush failing to see 9/11 coming.

Bush started the war? Huh, Hussein was the one in violation of 2 or 3 different UN Authorizations that allowed us to use force to make them comply, Hussein could of just allowed in inspectors and not had his country invaded. Besides, WMD's were not the only reason listed for the war that Republicans AND Democrats voted for.(though we did recover a couple tons of yellow cake uranium, a few hundred chemical shells, and biological weapons cultures)

Justthefacts wrote:

<quoted text>Other than Bush letting a program called "Operation Wide Receiver" start that allowed guns into Mexico to be used by the drug cartels..

Ya, under Bush, Mexican officials knew before hand and were supposed to follow and interdict the weapons in conjunction with US law enforcement liaisons once the weapons were across into Mexico. After 200 weapons were lost after crossing the border, Bush pulled the plug.In contrast, under Obama, a similar program was run forcing American FFL's to sell firearms to known criminals and straw purchasers, but no one informed the Mexican authorities. There was NO PLAN to follow weapons once they were across the border, or stop them there...and we coincidentally started hearing about all the American guns used in violent crimes in Mexico and the urgent need for further gun regulations....how many thousands of firearms were allowed under Obama and hundreds of Mexican nationals to die? Not to mention AT LEAST one US Border Patrol Agent, Brian Terry.

Is President Obama A Pathological Liar?The Obama Record: The most frightening aspect of this president may not be his radical ideology but his rank dishonesty in selling that ideology. Now he's been caught lying about family racism.Stacked up, his whoppers would make even Bill Clinton blush. Here's a sampling:...http://news.investors.com/article/615581/2012...

LOL ... sorry lady (f-ing c**t) but you have the deranged mind of a retarded baboon!

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