The original 6D is a bit better IQ wise than the 5D3 just so you are aware. I think DR was a bit better, if I remember, and the high ISO was better by 1/3 to 1/2 stop. The 5D3 has a better AF system though. Just so you are aware...

The 6D will also be cheaper, maybe. I think I just saw the used market prices go up in the last 2 days.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #18406538The original 6D is a bit better IQ wise than the 5D3 just so you are aware. I think DR was a bit better, if I remember, and the high ISO was better by 1/3 to 1/2 stop. The 5D3 has a better AF system though. Just so you are aware...

The 6D will also be cheaper, maybe. I think I just saw the used market prices go up in the last 2 days.

Ok I'll keep that in mind and have a look around and see whats what, thanks for your input in this thread, appreciate it

A big part of why I have to use a 5dIII is for the dual card slots. I just don't think I can cover an unrepeatable event like a wedding without writing to two cards. If you're shooting for fun, and not something requiring a high frame rate like sports, I'd say go with a 6d classic.

Silver-Halide wrote in post #18407394A big part of why I have to use a 5dIII is for the dual card slots. I just don't think I can cover an unrepeatable event like a wedding without writing to two cards. If you're shooting for fun, and not something requiring a high frame rate like sports, I'd say go with a 6d classic.

I started with a 400D myself. Then the 6D, and now the 5dIII.

Ok, something else to consider, thanks for the info and advice.

Just out of interest how did you find the jump from the 400D to the 6D...?

If I were you I'd get some high quality lenses before upgrading to 6D or 5D.Other than the change in fov and shallower dof upgrading to FF wouldn't make the images sharper, produce less CA or better looking bokeh

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I upgraded from a 400D to a Sony a6000. Unbelievable difference in ability of the camera. Now I even love making movies. The dynamic range and quality of the photos of the Sony is so far ahead of the 400D it isn't funny. I got the kits lenses and the ultra sharp sigma 1.4. I don't even consider Canon now . The price was so good for the Sony it was a no brainer for me.

"The poetry of photgraphy will always be more important than mechanics of the camera... you see the picture is taken with the eye,the heart.The most sophisticated camera in the world can never replace this." Jacques-Henri LartiguePeter canon400D 18-55 , 50mm 1.8,75-300,Sigma 17-50 F/2.8 EX OS HSM , 430EX II ,Lowepro slingshot 200AW. Sony a6000 , Sigma 30mm 1.4 e-mount, 17-50 kit and 55-200 kit.

Based on your lenses, budget ideas, uses, I would just say stay APS-C. Today's APS-C sensor is really good. Getting an older full frame sensor isn't going to be leaps different from a modern APS-C sensor. You will also not have the expense of getting new lenses for full frame. You will find everything goes wider and shorter. You'll instantly want longer glass (the way you speak of a 300mm on APS-C, it would take a 500mm lens to get the same FOV back if you changed it, look at prices on 500mm lenses).

Sounds to me like you should be looking at an 80D.

You will also find big changes by updating your glass. Especially that 18-55 kit lens.

If you have a chance, go to a camera store, and play with each camera body. Check how the camera feels in your hand, play with the controls and go through the menu screens. Whichever camera feels more comfortable in your hands will be the camera you are more willing to shoot with. All the cameras you have listed will take fantastic images.

I'll third that one of the best improvements you can make is updating the 18-55mm lens. There is a variety of EF-S and EF medium telephoto lenses you can upgrade to. You just need to remember that if you upgrade your EF-S 18-55mm lens with another EF-S medium telephoto lens, the new EF-S medium telephoto lens will not work on a full frame camera body. The EF-S lenses only work on a crop camera body. However, any full frame EF lenses will work on a EF-S crop camera body without any problems. So you need to ask yourself first, do you want to stay in the crop body, or do you want to upgrade to full frame?

For lens upgrade, I would suggest you take your 400D camera body to a camera store, and try out the different medium telephoto lenses with your camera. Take some pictures, and examine the image quality you will get from these new lenses. See which lens feels more comfortable in your hands with your 400D. You can also try new camera and lens combos that interest you. Again, whichever new camera and lens combination feels more comfortable and "right" in your hand, will be the one you be happy shooting.

Thanks for your opinions, suggestions and comments it is definitely worthwhile food for thought, however with where we are now, summer coming to an end in the UK and dare I say it, Christmas fast approaching I'm probably going to be leaving it until early 2018 now before making any changes due to how busy I am going to be and also expenditure towards the end of the year, but none the less, please keep dropping your comments and suggestions in.

As Eric says, DO go to the camera store (and remember to buy something from them!!).

I have some Canons because I wanted the MP-E and electronic (vibration free) shutter before there were many mirrorless options.

I wound up with several Canon lenses.I then bought an 80D thinking surely it would be better than the 700D I had, for general photography.I hate it. It's a horrible camera. I can't use the controls, unlike more than one other camera. OK it's not as ridicuous as a Panasonic. The easiest to use by far are a couple of old Nikons I have. (D300 & D700) With those I can adjust most things without taking the camera from ny eye; I just cannot with the Canons. Too many things are one press on Nikon and two on Canon. I have to carefully press Canon buttons so I don't press two at once, and my hand doesn't stretch for exposure compensation so I have to use two hands, and on and on.I've fondled 7D2 and 5DSR; slightly better but not much is different.

In future I'll try to get someone who OWNS an intended camera to show me how he /she uses it.

I'll probably keep a Canon body for the MP-E, but ditch the rest, that's 10mm to 300 including macros and some L's.

All modern lenses are much better , and they're all great unless you want something very special. Flog yours and get replacements, if you change body, no big deal.

Here you go, in case you think I'm nuts. 80D.I'm "average" size Note thumb obliterating three controls at once on the back panel - button, ring and pointy thing,Stetching with difficulty to the wheel to adjust exposure,Not a hope of supporting the camera at the same time - it's resting on me...And this should be easy when it's at your eye, like other cameras. I'm left-eyed.Utterly hopeless quest.5/6/7D etc are a bit different on this particular function it's true, but the point is, get one in your hands.

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