I just think we've gone from a manager who was in cloud cuckoo land to an inflexible manager with very little man management skills. I don't think their is any special common denominator.

Short termism of players and coaches is more the problem . Look at how Ranieri quickly became public enemy No1 . The abuse Martinez got was shameful and the reality is unless Koeman turns this around quickly Burnley and Bournemouth will think they can use our fans as their 12th man . I said to my mate the other week " Where the fuck has Davies enthusiasm gone " . In the space of a few weeks he has become a bit of a pfft of a player . Lookman scored against City in the same game last season yet seems to be judged on being paired with Martina against Hajduk ( obviously to Koeman it was lookman and not Martina who was pants ) . The thing is we have the players to go out and get a result on Sunday but there is absolutely nothing to suggest the game is going to be anything other than an embarrassment .

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People underestimate the effect lukaku had on us last season it wasn't just the goals it was the physical threat the offered and all the man marking and doubling made an awful lot of space nearby for players like Davies

Short termism of players and coaches is more the problem . Look at how Ranieri quickly became public enemy No1 . The abuse Martinez got was shameful and the reality is unless Koeman turns this around quickly Burnley and Bournemouth will think they can use our fans as their 12th man . I said to my mate the other week " Where the fuck has Davies enthusiasm gone " . In the space of a few weeks he has become a bit of a pfft of a player . Lookman scored against City in the same game last season yet seems to be judged on being paired with Martina against Hajduk ( obviously to Koeman it was lookman and not Martina who was pants ) . The thing is we have the players to go out and get a result on Sunday but there is absolutely nothing to suggest the game is going to be anything other than an embarrassment .

Have they been successful at the club? No. How many trophies have they won? None. How many derby games have they turned up in? One or two, at most.

Think the Carragher interview with GOT was pretty telling about their character. More interested in being mates with Gerrard and Carragher than winning games. Shite.

Jagielka is a liability and Baines, although once a great player, hasn't seemed himself for well over a year now. Heard from multiple people that he isn't all that interested in football any more. Still happy to pick up £70k a week for passing the ball backwards and sideways.

Have they been successful at the club? No. How many trophies have they won? None. How many derby games have they turned up in? One or two, at most.

Think the Carragher interview with GOT was pretty telling about their character. More interested in being mates with Gerrard and Carragher than winning games. Shite.

Jagielka is a liability and Baines, although once a great player, hasn't seemed himself for well over a year now. Heard from multiple people that he isn't all that interested in football any more. Still happy to pick up £70k a week for passing the ball backwards and sideways.

I agree both need replacing but only because their ability no longer matches the aspirations of the club . However , Koeman has signed quite a few who you could say the same about and their contracts have a lot longer to run than Baines and Jagielka . I think Baines ( all this one of our own shit really angered me ) was a snide when Martinez came in for stick but Jagielka is class as an Evertonian .