all worried about Europe because of the "Muslim menace". This because of a few whackos chanting in London.

The whackos are, in fact, largely irrelevant. People are worried about the 'muslim menace' as you call it because the muslim population of Europe has doubled in 10 years, and European elites (against the wishes of the great majority of the populace) are considering allowing Turkey into the EU. When you add to this fact the large, unassimilated muslim populations in Sweden, France, and the Netherlands, many of whom show little inclination to integrate and accept Western norms, a very dangerous situation is brewing.

When you add to this fact the large, unassimilated muslim populations in Sweden, France, and the Netherlands, many of whom show little inclination to integrate and accept Western norms, a very dangerous situation is brewing.

Meaning precisely what? I'm not sure I know what you mean exactly by "assimilate," "integrate," "accept Western norms." To me, this is vague.

Certainly newcombers will be bound to follow the law. In that sense they will have to integrate, and accept Western law. What else are you referring to when you speak of integration and assimilation?

Rome fell with the advent of Christianity. Would it have been in their better interest if they had continued feeding them to the lions?

Let's get back to the original topic here. We have a bunch of people who generally despise Europe either for their socialism or their refusal to accept bogus rationale for the invasion of Iraq who are suddenly all worried about Europe because of the "Muslim menace". This because of a few whackos chanting in London.

In response to the Kill them all and let God do the rest. Anybody can call themselves a christian and coin whatever phrase they want. The simple thing about christianity is this, Jesus said, "They will know you are my people (disciples) by your love for one another." Islam can begin to take over the world and if christians continue to go about it the way of the world and fight against them, we are only going to lose. We are taking the situation out of God's hands and putting it in ours because we are afraid to trust fully in God. Love and prayer, sounds rediculous, but actually works.

The 'Song' ascribes to Arnaud Amaury the frightening quote : "Kill them all, the Lord will sort them out" during the destruction of Beziers in 1209. True or unfounded, this quote typifies the excessive fanaticism of certain leaders of the crusade.

The 'Song' ascribes to Arnaud Amaury the frightening quote : "Kill them all, the Lord will sort them out" during the destruction of Beziers in 1209. True or unfounded, this quote typifies the excessive fanaticism of certain leaders of the crusade.

I think that is the version I read, too. He was out slaughtering the Albigensians (Cathars) for the pope. One of those 'other' crusades that seldom gets talked about. Genocide is one form of assimilation, I guess.

Meaning precisely what? I'm not sure I know what you mean exactly by "assimilate," "integrate," "accept Western norms." To me, this is vague

If that is vague then you have failed to construe the thrust of this quote.

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Certainly newcombers will be bound to follow the law. In that sense they will have to integrate, and accept Western law. What else are you referring to when you speak of integration and assimilation?

In many cases, arranged marriages, unwillingness to move into areas other than those heavily populated by other muslims, hatred of other groups already assimilated (Jews), unwilligness to use English when socialising with each other, the sporting of flags other than the flag of the country from which they obtained citizenship coupled with an unwilligness to ever sport the flag of their adopted home, when faced with the direct choice between supporting their country's team or their ancestoral home they opt for the latter, empathy for groups spewing forth hatred for their adopted home's government, blatant hatred for their adopted home, complete disregard for the spirit of their adopted home's customs, and culture. In short, with the exception of Afghanistan, and Iraq we don't belong in the middle East, and muslims don't belong in the west.

It's symbolic when they decide to wave the national flag of Pakistan, instead of waving the flag of the country of which they are citizens when sporting events pitch one against the other. Are you seriously telling me that citizenship should be awarded to citizens whose loyalies are firmly placed elsewhere? Do you condone the actions of muslims who preach hatred against our values, and parade around city centres banners which call for another holocaust? Don't you realise that even "moderate" muslims feel a bond with these emissaries of hate?

I thought you were comparing yourself to the Churchill who warned about the Nazis in the early 30's. Silly me. You are comparing yourself to Churchill the Colonialist. Not his finest hour. And not what he's admired for.

I am not saying anything of the sort. My only reference was to flag waving as flag wavers always conjure up a certain image in my mind.

But seriosuly, a naturalised Pakistani in Britain goes to watch the test between England and Pakistan. It's not too hard to work out which side he supports.

A naturalised Korean in USA goes to watch golf and the play-off is between an American and a Korean. Who does he support?

A naturalised Brit in Australia goes to watch the rugby world cup match between Australia and New Zealand? Who does he support? Yes, seriosuly, who does he support?

He supports the nation which gave him citizenship. Sentiment is fine, but an outright preference for countries other than that which gave you citizenship is completely unacceptable. Let's not pretend that this is solely about muslims waving the wrong flag though. There is a lengthy indictment of their behaviour in the UK. Refering to the flag waving incident is analogous to refering to the possession of a firearms charge after a man just shot a few people dead. I reiterate, muslims don't belong in the UK, and we don't belong in the middle east with the exception of Iraq, and Afghanistan. If I had my way we would leave them and their oil well alone. Let them blow each other up and vent hate, but not under our auspices. Let them sell sand!

As I mentioned before, if they want to come to our countries then they have to leave their 12th Century barbarism at the border...they come to our countries and take advantage of our liberal laws of free speech, etc. and what do they do? They spout off their hatred for the West and any religion which is not Islam...they call us infidels...they demand that their adopted nation adopt Sharia law, or Islamic law...they still murder their daughters for dishonoring them...they murder those of us who may disagree with their religion or call them on their hipocracies...they stand in in the security of their mosques and spout their venom yet Christians are arrested and sometimes executed in their lands (do they leave to escape? no, they leave to infect our nations)...they come to our nations and take advantage of our welfare system and yet contribute nothing...do they integrate and become good Americans or Danes or Brits? most do not...they ask us to be more sensitive towards Muslims yet they give us no reason to....they show Christians no "sensitivy" in their homelands nor in their adopted lands...they talk of jihad in the streets of London and Copenhagen all across Europe, not of peaceful integration....

we stand at a chasm now....a chasm between the civilized world which lives in the 21st century and the barbarians who still live in the 12th century....