It is a cuntish thing. Liking things gives you pleasure; deliberately acting so as *not* to like a band is acting so as to deny yourself pleasure. Only a massive, massive cunt would do that. Someone like kissinginkansas or Tristan. I think Elbow are shit. I don't just not like them - I think they're objectively shit. The fact there seems to be some mass autofellation over them on these boards... well, I'd like to say it perplexes me, it it doesn't really. But they're still shit.

I can only assume they were going for some kind of prize for the most tedious live band in the history of the world ever. Unfortunately for them the charisma-free walking pile of mundanity that was Bows and Arrows-era Walkmen pipped them to the prize.

I'd say that Elbow have a really good first album. Especially with the extra Asleep In The Back song added on. I don't mind their other albums, but AITB is a great album.

I've never been too keen on Doves, as I don't like the singer's voice as much (I can understand comparisons with Elbow, but I still much prefer Guy Garvey's voice). A couple of the Doves' singles sounded fun/good, but that was despite the singer for me.