Baalzamon wrote:I'm thinking about asking oakley to send me some new bits for my jawbones. Yep in livestrong colours and want them gone

Funny, but only a fortnight ago (like a couple of days before the USADA 1000 page manifesto was posted online) I bought a pair of the Livestrong Oakley Jawbones...

The reason.... they were on mega-discount.

I think they were originally priced somewhere around $350. Got them for about $120 (wonder why.....??)

I needed a new pair of sunnies for running/cycling. came in a nice case, couple of pairs of lenses.

They still keep the sun out of my eyes and 99.9% of people wouldn't have a clue that they are the Armstrong ones

You could concider them Safe Cycling Australia colors. We've been pushing Oakley to pass some similar coloured sets our way for the supporters. It only ever seems like I'm on drugs.Interesting to note that the day the USADA report was released publicly, Retirestrong donations reportedly increased by $60,000USD. Some will never get it. His biggest supporters are the least interested in wading through the evidence. Dunce hats.

Alex Simmons/RST wrote:But Livestrong is first and foremost a PR machine. His linking of "cancer awareness" and the fraud of his performance is, IMO, despicable.

There are a lot more despicable behaviours on this planet, and this Livestrong can be seen as an attempt to payback the sins. Was it appropriate or successful? I guess this is where the argument lies at this point.

Oxford wrote:I'm cynical enough to believe that LA may have even started the whole thing to boost his pubic image for some future gain

funny you should say that, in 1997 his agent is quoted as saying:

"Lance isn't just a cyclist anymore - because of the cancer, the Lance Armstrong brand has a much broader appeal," Stapleton said. "Our challenge is to leverage that now. He's on the verge of being a crossover-type spokesman. He could be just like an athlete who does a Pepsi or Gatorade commercial. If his comeback has success, we hope to take him to a Kodak or Sony and hope they will turn him into a corporate pitchman.

"We're really just beginning. In January and February people will realize that Lance is back on the bike. And once they realize it, that's when the marketing will pay off."

Alex Simmons/RST wrote:His linking of "cancer awareness" and the fraud of his performance is, IMO, despicable.

+1

Took peds pre cancer, then after benefitting from all of the great work from Doctors and researchers he risked his health and took peds post cancer, being a survivor wasn't enough for him. A slap in the face of all those fighting this insidious disease, whether they be Doctors, researchers or patients. And not discounting that he coerced others to risk their health by doing the same.

Not sure the point you are trying to make by posting this up Tom ? Performances like this are exactly why the "haters" (as Lance called anyone who wouldn't blindly bow down to his greatness) started asking questions. There wasn't/isn't a clean athlete in the world who could offer Pantani that "gift".

greyhoundtom wrote:Just an absolutely brilliant duel.............for some you may need to ignore the splash screen at the end of the footage.

Not sure the point you are trying to make by posting this up Tom ? Performances like this are exactly why the "haters" (as Lance called anyone who wouldn't blindly bow down to his greatness) started asking questions. There wasn't/isn't a clean athlete in the world who could offer Pantani that "gift".

Are you still filthy that your "hero" has been caught ?

Sorry Chuck, I'm not sure what you are getting at

I posted that clip due to Marco Pantani winning that hill climb, beating Lance Armstrong, and looked at it more as PED's verses PED's

As far as LA being my hero is concerned............I have no hero's, LA was a professional cyclist who did whatever he believed he needed to do to win.Unfortunately he is also obviously a very arrogant person that like many that receive adulation for one thing or another, started believing his own press releases, and in the process shot himself in both feet bigtime.

No for being the arrogant prawn that he is, he deserves everything he cops.

greyhoundtom wrote:Just an absolutely brilliant duel.............for some you may need to ignore the splash screen at the end of the footage.

Not sure the point you are trying to make by posting this up Tom ? Performances like this are exactly why the "haters" (as Lance called anyone who wouldn't blindly bow down to his greatness) started asking questions. There wasn't/isn't a clean athlete in the world who could offer Pantani that "gift".

Are you still filthy that your "hero" has been caught ?

Sorry Chuck, I'm not sure what you are getting at

I posted that clip due to Marco Pantani winning that hill climb, beating Lance Armstrong, and looked at it more as PED's verses PED's

As far as LA being my hero is concerned............I have no hero's, LA was a professional cyclist who did whatever he believed he needed to do to win.Unfortunately he is also obviously a very arrogant person that like many that receive adulation for one thing or another, started believing his own press releases, and in the process shot himself in both feet bigtime.

No for being the arrogant prawn that he is, he deserves everything he cops.

according to Hamilton, armstrong eased off and let Pantani take the victory as he felt he had shown him (Pantani) who was the strongest.

It seemed a pretty passionate response to me And I thought that you posting up that video and calling it "brilliant" was a show of support ? If I'm wrong no offence meant.

And the use of the word hero ? Ok you did not say he was your hero but you did refer to him AS a hero, even in the wake of all this. Again I considered it a show of support ? Again I might be wrong.

If you posted up the video to say that it was an even playing field ? Well I think there has been enough evidence contained in the report to say no it wasn't.

There were a few others in the above mentioned thread who also took the view that this was a vendetta. I think it has been shown that USADA were willing to act where the UCI would not, for reasons as yet unexplained. The USADA have not been given anywhere near the credit it deserves for staying the course in the face much public and political pressure, they have my respect, for what it's worth.

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