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Re: The Red Sox Thread

Originally Posted by teknetic

..lol how are you trying to paint this as a positive for the Red Sox.

Not sure at whom this was directed, and I can only speak for myself, but I certainly didn't say this was a "positive for the Red Sox." What I said was letting him go is a very good decision and one which I wish the team I root for had the courage to make. The initial signing of Sandoval was an absolute trainwreck and a very bad decision. Keeping players just because a team mistakenly signed them to big and long contracts compounds these previous bad decisions. 40-man and 25-man rosters should be treated as commodities and one of the last places that teams with deep pockets can exercise a once huge advantage. For example, the Yankees can trade Ells and pay 90% of his contract and look at that as buying a commodity. If they use a rookie to fill that spot, it could end up being a wash. If no one will take him at 10% of his salary, then they dump him outright. The Sox pulled the trigger on this, which was the right decision and that is all I ever said.

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Ellsbury deal was bad, but doesn't compare at all to the 196+M the sox spent on Sandoval, Castillo, and Craig. They're still paying for this. I don't give them any credit for anything in this deal.

Horrendous spending of $196+ mil. You don't think the Sox cutting ties with Sandoval is a good decision? There's nothing that can be done about the mistakes they already made and all they can control is the now.

Re: The Red Sox Thread

Originally Posted by matt2351

If no one will take him at 10% of his salary, then they dump him outright

that's what it would likely have to come to, as I'm skeptical that MLB would sign off on a 90% dump of Ellsbury money. Ninety percent of what they still owe him > $65 million. I know they ate a big percentage chunk in the A.J. Burnett dump but that was off a principal of only about $32M. That's what's so bad about the corner they've painted themselves into as far as trying to trade Ellsbury, it isn't just the percentage they'd have to eat, it's the sheer volume.

Re: The Red Sox Thread

Originally Posted by hellonewman

that's what it would likely have to come to, as I'm skeptical that MLB would sign off on a 90% dump of Ellsbury money. Ninety percent of what they still owe him > $65 million. I know they ate a big percentage chunk in the A.J. Burnett dump but that was off a principal of only about $32M. That's what's so bad about the corner they've painted themselves into as far as trying to trade Ellsbury, it isn't just the percentage they'd have to eat, it's the sheer volume.

I am not 100% clear on the rules regarding this. Do you know what the percentage or dollar parameters are? Or is it case-by-case?

Re: The Red Sox Thread

Originally Posted by matt2351

I am not 100% clear on the rules regarding this. Do you know what the percentage or dollar parameters are? Or is it case-by-case?

I believe it's case-by-case but don't hold me to that. I do seem to remember there being a little white-knuckling on whether the Burnett dump would get green-lighted; which fuels my skepticism on whether a similarly structured Ellsbury trade would fly.

Re: The Red Sox Thread

Originally Posted by hellonewman

I believe it's case-by-case but don't hold me to that. I do seem to remember there being a little white-knuckling on whether the Burnett dump would get green-lighted; which fuels my skepticism on whether a similarly structured Ellsbury trade would fly.

I remember that, as well. The only thing the Yankees can do is try. If that doesn't work, they really need to cut bait. At this stage, his continued presence on the roster is detrimental to the organization on several fronts.

Re: The Red Sox Thread

Originally Posted by matt2351

Horrendous spending of $196+ mil. You don't think the Sox cutting ties with Sandoval is a good decision? There's nothing that can be done about the mistakes they already made and all they can control is the now.

I think it's an easy decision for Dombrowski since he didn't sign him.

Can't draw that parallel with Ellsbury - someone could take him if the subsidy is right.

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Sandoval still owed $48.3 mil by Red Sox. This is the 2nd largest amount of money remaining on a contract, at the time of being DFA'd, in MLB history. The most ever remaining, at the time of being DFA'd, was on Josh Hamilton's contract when he was released by LAA.

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Rivera's best ratio of saves to hits allowed in a season was 1.047 in 1999, which was the only year he had more saves than hits allowed. Kimbrel's career ratio of saves to hits allowed is 1.148. In 2012 he had a ratio of over 1.5, and his ratio is over 1.5 so far this year. Kimbrel is the first pitcher to have six 30 save seasons before turning 30, and he could make it seven this year. Of the 35 pitchers with at least 250 saves, Kimbrel has the best career ERA by 0.39 over Rivera. Kimbrel could be the third pitcher to have 500 saves. Kimbrel hopefully won't win as many World Series as Rivera, but if Kimbrel pitches until he's 38 with the second half of his career being a little worse than the first half, there's no doubt he would be one of the best relievers ever.

Re: The Red Sox Thread

Originally Posted by EvanJ

...if Kimbrel pitches until he's 38 with the second half of his career being a little worse than the first half, there's no doubt he would be one of the best relievers ever.

That's a big IF. Mo's best quality was how effortless and simple his approach was. I can't say if Kimbrel is a max-effort type of pitcher because I wasn't really looking at him that way when I saw him pitch this weekend. But most relievers rely on heat or some kind of arm-stressing breaking pitch which they can't sustain for too long. Mo was just as unhittable at 91-92 mph as he was at 95-96 because of the movement on his pitches.