thebigham wrote:I tried to find the grade of the horseshoe curve on E Centerville Road, but didn't see it.

I don't see anything on the aerials that gives me any hope of finding it. Most of the ROW runs through plowed fields. *Maybe* if you look at that little creek that crosses the ROW where E Centerville Road bends to the NW, you might find some trace of a culvert. Or maybe if you go looking in the woods at the back of the plowed field opposite the farm on West Centerville Road?

If you can, ask the farmer there if they know anything about the TV&C railroad. I've had some *fantastic* experiences guided by a property owner. One of them showed me imported ceramic tiles that were used for drains.

thebigham wrote:Just south of Crystal Lake, the TV&C is between the B&S and the BR&P,

Where the B&S passed over the BR&P on a bridge which is now Rt. 98, the TV&C grade was just below the B&S grade at Fairview. They parallel each other until TV&C bridges Elton Creek and heads towards "Summit" on the TV&C which is off of Williams Road.

Is "Camp Road" through the boy scout camp the B&S? There's not a heck of a lot of room for a third railbed betwen those two south of Crystal Lake! If the TV&C is going to run between the two, there must have been a diamond somewhere, because it starts on the left of the B&S and ends up on the right, and it starts on the right of the BR&P and ends up on the left.

That leaves me lost between Jones Road north of Sandusky and the B&S bridge near Fairview. Any advice? Have you ever tried going to the county clerk's office to see if there's a map of the TV&C registered?

Camp Road is the B&S and probably TV&C grade.

I've seen the TV&C map for Cattaraugus County.

Supposedly there are Xerox copies out there of the TV&C grade in Alleghany County out there.