What's with the home skillet thing? Where did you get that? New to me.You guys should get together and have an old school no holds barred challenge match. Then we'll know whose right.

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Quote:What's with the home skillet thing? Where did you get that? New to me.You guys should get together and have an old school no holds barred challenge match. Then we'll know whose right.

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I am not understanding you-did I tell Vince what? That I am really fat and it is because of my glands, big boned etc? No, because it was a joke. I thought that was obvious.

I have not checked the videos because the actual thrustof the thread-humour aside-seems pointless. Only Mr Machida can truly tell you if kata or karate acually had any bearing on his MMA performance. And really why would I care? I practice karate, not MMA and kata application is important to me, which is all that really counts.

Med said "Goju from his line is no more okinawan that Shotokan karate is"

Med I am shocked-I am sure some idiot wrote a book recently saying that Shotokan was the ancient bodyguard art of the Okinawan court, Tekki sideways movements protecting the king against assasination etc (long before Shoto/Funakoshi actually lived of course but still Shotokan is an ancient Okinawan art apparently).

Quote: Obviously it can be questioned. Jude and yourself seem to question my training/lineage in just about every post. Yes, I have deep issues,but look in the mirror brother. How would you respond to the things you say to me?

You make posts like this and then question my maturity,lol.

Slow down Brian. And I dont get questioned? I have seen very little of American Goju but the stuff I saw was good and practical. It seemed to me the techniques had been adjusted to being street wise.I cant find the video but I will come across it again.

As regards my thoughts of a lineage of an art. There are practioners of arts. Some of their training methods suit what I want, some dont. Even Okinawan based.

With kata though I find the study of Okinawan based karate makes it easier for me to understand what the applications were meant to be. Doesnt mean to say that other applications arent just as good. With in reason.

Med said "Goju from his line is no more okinawan that Shotokan karate is"

Med I am shocked-I am sure some idiot wrote a book recently saying that Shotokan was the ancient bodyguard art of the Okinawan court, Tekki sideways movements protecting the king against assasination etc (long before Shoto/Funakoshi actually lived of course but still Shotokan is an ancient Okinawan art apparently).

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I dont think shotokan is an Okinawan art. I would call it Japanese then Westernised. And I am purely a begginer in the study of pure Okinawan karate. When I look at people like Sensie Kanazawa who studied tai chi, what looks to me like chin na and then included other kata in to his curriculem I think it was done to fill some gaps.

No, of course you are correct Shotokan is not Okinawan beyond its origins in Shorin. Irony does not work well in these forums.

Some of us tend not to see the irony sometimes.But to answer the initial question then what the guy didin his MMA fights was to my mind karate. How did kata help him? In-graining techniques for one thing. It wouldnt occur to some one to see a gap before a clinch and use age uke to strike the jaw unless it was ingrained to use it.

A heavy weight boxer will maybe throw 60 punches per round.beggining pro boxers the rounds can be as little as 4So by my calculations thats 260 punches. After throwing that amount on the bag means going to be tired.

Grappling can last so long then run people run out of steam.

Solo kata on the other hand can be trained when physicaly tired.If the techniques are drilled as two man drills at some time then the kata is practiced alone the techniques are still ingrained in the mind.

Regards the lineage thing that Brian spoke of. I personaly dont care where techniques come from. So long as they work.We were doing variations,techniques and counters from kesa gatame last night. My neck aches through neck kranks. Some of the variations are the techniques other people have developed. Not purely from scource.

But seen as history is my thing sometimes I tend to look atthe scource.