This is exactly why Marvel does this kind of thing. It gets people talking. That's not necessarily a bad thing. So let's put down our pitchforks until they decide to bring back Uncle Ben or Gwen Stacy.

GreenAdder:This is exactly why Marvel does this kind of thing. It gets people talking. That's not necessarily a bad thing. So let's put down our pitchforks until they decide to bring back Uncle Ben or Gwen Stacy.

They actually brought back Gwen Stacy. She ended up being a clone... And was the launch pad for the Cone Saga.

The problem with these stories is that they are just lame. It pushes the envelope if what works with the character. It worked with Superman, because it was handled well.

Bruce Wayne "death" wasn't even taken seriously by Grant Morrison and DC.

skinink:I've seen Superman killed, come back as four different versions, then come back as himself.

Bruce Wayne/Batman had his back broken, for heaven's sake and came back.

Hulk has been so many colors I think he may be gay.

I highly doubt Peter Parker is gone from Spiderman.

Yup. We'll get a few issues of "I'M Doc Ock and now I have to be Spider-Man", when suddenly Peter's conciousness starts to seep back in, and then we get Doc Ock and Peter fighting for control of the brain/body, and eventually, Peter wins, Doc Ock dies/gets a new body.

GreenAdder:This is exactly why Marvel does this kind of thing. It gets people talking. That's not necessarily a bad thing. So let's put down our pitchforks until they decide to bring back Uncle Ben or Gwen Stacy.

You know it's only a matter of time until we get "Uncle Ben: Winter Soldier 2".

Speaking of dead Marvel characters, I just started reading Marvel Zombies. It's even more ridiculous/awesome than I expected.

Hebalo:Yup. We'll get a few issues of "I'M Doc Ock and now I have to be Spider-Man", when suddenly Peter's conciousness starts to seep back in, and then we get Doc Ock and Peter fighting for control of the brain/body, and eventually, Peter wins, Doc Ock dies/gets a new body.

With a "Heaven" fight where Uncle Ben helps out like Pa Kent did in Superman 600.

Different Peter Parker. Marvel has two major continuities- their main line, and the Ultimate line. The storylines don't really intersect. Originally, the Ultimate line was meant to establish a simpler, more movie-friendly continuity. Now it's just as complex and convoluted as the main line.

Definitely enjoying that. These days, the only superhero book I still read is "Invincible", and that's honestly more from momentum than anything else at this point. I'd love more in the "Incognito" universe, though.

This is why I stopped reading years ago.. the plots are as dumb and idiotic as the ones found in WWE.

Next thing we know, the "Parker" in this series is actually a midget on steroids who is from the world Lamevania, who came here to rescue us from the evils of Sir Diabeetus the Large, exploiting his weakness of Boston Creme doughnuts! But wait, what's this? OH MY GAWD, THE MIDGET IS ACTUALLY A SENTIENT COLLECTION OF SPANK SOCKS! THE REAL PETER ENTERS THROUGH THE CEILING WITH A BOTTLE OF BLEACH, KILLS THE MIDGET, AND WINS THE SUPER ULTRA CHAMPIONSHIP BELT! SIR DIABEETUS WAS ACTUALLY AUNT MAY FROM A REVERSE-ULTRA-PARADOXICAL-UNIVERSE!

GreenAdder:This is exactly why Marvel does this kind of thing. It gets people talking. That's not necessarily a bad thing. So let's put down our pitchforks until they decide to bring back Uncle Ben or Gwen Stacy.

It is a bad thing, though. With the success of comic book movies, comics are at a point where they could be more popular than ever, and be seen as the legitimate literature genre they are by more and more people. But Marvel and DC are still stuck in this mindset where they think they have to attract 14-year-old readers by doing things like mindswap-killing a core character. Comics should be beyond this "stunt" mentality by now; we've seen time and time again how solid stories are what stand the test of time. But instead all we get are reboots, crossovers, revolving-door-deaths, and Wolverine every 5th page.

The weird thing is, both Marvel and DC have their sugar daddy's. I get that Disney and Warner aren't charities, but chasing sales shouldn't be the concern it was when Marvel and DC were on their own. Marvel and DC should be focusing on finding good stories for their properties, to provide material for future movies/tv shows. Not pulling schlock like this because it will move an extra 5k issues.

I guess im the only one who thinks its really interesting. I kinda like Doc Ocks better then thou snobbery dialog plus Peters sense of humor in the new Spiderman. Its also interesting that Marvel has gone out of its way to make sure that artists don't use the expressive eyes trick on the costume by redesigning the eyes.

Im looking forward to see where it goes. Marvel has been really good on most of all its books while NuDC just sucks. ( Some exceptions like Earth-2, Animal man, Batbooks but the rest are awful. )

My local comic shop owner's take on it was that Marvel killed off Peter Parker as a way to either attempt to get back the movie rights from Sony or just as a fark you to their movie franchise which still stars Peter Parker.

jayhawk88:The weird thing is, both Marvel and DC have their sugar daddy's. I get that Disney and Warner aren't charities, but chasing sales shouldn't be the concern it was when Marvel and DC were on their own. Marvel and DC should be focusing on finding good stories for their properties, to provide material for future movies/tv shows. Not pulling schlock like this because it will move an extra 5k issues.

TW and Disney don't give a fark about the comics themselves, they only care about the intellectual properties.

Mentat:jayhawk88: The weird thing is, both Marvel and DC have their sugar daddy's. I get that Disney and Warner aren't charities, but chasing sales shouldn't be the concern it was when Marvel and DC were on their own. Marvel and DC should be focusing on finding good stories for their properties, to provide material for future movies/tv shows. Not pulling schlock like this because it will move an extra 5k issues.

TW and Disney don't give a fark about the comics themselves, they only care about the intellectual properties.

I know, but you're only going to be able to re-boot Spiderman/Superman so many times in the theaters before people are going to get tired of it and move on to the next thing. If I were in charge at Disney or Warner, I'd much rather approach these properties using the Bond model, rather than trying to tell the same origin/using the same 3 or 4 villains over and over.

They payoff for letting Marvel and DC become truly creative outlets is immeasurable. I would be doing everything possible to not only get new classic stories for the existing properties, but get someone there to create new characters/properties as well.

Kali-Yuga:My local comic shop owner's take on it was that Marvel killed off Peter Parker as a way to either attempt to get back the movie rights from Sony or just as a fark you to their movie franchise which still stars Peter Parker.

Yes, I'm certain that Sony gives a flying fark what happens in a book that 100,000 (at best ) people read.

Zombie DJ:Hebalo:Yup. We'll get a few issues of "I'M Doc Ock and now I have to be Spider-Man", when suddenly Peter's conciousness starts to seep back in, and then we get Doc Ock and Peter fighting for control of the brain/body, and eventually, Peter wins, Doc Ock dies/gets a new body.

With a "Heaven" fight where Uncle Ben helps out like Pa Kent did in Superman 600.

"Aargh! Your indomitable moral foundation inspired by your Uncle Ben's death has confounded me, Parker! And my personality has been forever changed by sharing my psyche with you! I have seen that with great power, comes great responsibility. So I will do the responsible thing, and take my leave of your body. This will not be the end, though! For I have prepared an upgraded Otto Octavius clone body for myself, which was heavily foreshadowed six issues ago! And it still has those four extra mechanical appendages! But look, now I have a spider motif, for octopi and arachnids both have eight limbs! HA HAAAA! And I will warp the "great responsibility" aspect of Uncle Ben's maxim, by vowing to end the world's suffering by creating a totalitarian state under my dominion, so that nobody will ever suffer the loss of their beloved Uncle Ben again!"

Kali-Yuga:My local comic shop owner's take on it was that Marvel killed off Peter Parker as a way to either attempt to get back the movie rights from Sony or just as a fark you to their movie franchise which still stars Peter Parker.

I'm pretty sure what goes on in the pages of the comics isn't going to trump the 9 million page legal agreement that signed over the movie rights to Sony.

Parthenogenetic:"Aargh! Your indomitable moral foundation inspired by your Uncle Ben's death has confounded me, Parker! And my personality has been forever changed by sharing my psyche with you! I have seen that with great power, comes great responsibility. So I will do the responsible thing, and take my leave of your body. This will not be the end, though! For I have prepared an upgraded Otto Octavius clone body for myself, which was heavily foreshadowed six issues ago! And it still has those four extra mechanical appendages! But look, now I have a spider motif, for octopi and arachnids both have eight limbs! HA HAAAA! And I will warp the "great responsibility" aspect of Uncle Ben's maxim, by vowing to end the world's suffering by creating a totalitarian state under my dominion, so that nobody will ever suffer the loss of their beloved Uncle Ben again!"

RoxtarRyan:This is why I stopped reading years ago.. the plots are as dumb and idiotic as the ones found in WWE.

Next thing we know, the "Parker" in this series is actually a midget on steroids who is from the world Lamevania, who came here to rescue us from the evils of Sir Diabeetus the Large, exploiting his weakness of Boston Creme doughnuts! But wait, what's this? OH MY GAWD, THE MIDGET IS ACTUALLY A SENTIENT COLLECTION OF SPANK SOCKS! THE REAL PETER ENTERS THROUGH THE CEILING WITH A BOTTLE OF BLEACH, KILLS THE MIDGET, AND WINS THE SUPER ULTRA CHAMPIONSHIP BELT! SIR DIABEETUS WAS ACTUALLY AUNT MAY FROM A REVERSE-ULTRA-PARADOXICAL-UNIVERSE!

RoxtarRyan:This is why I stopped reading years ago.. the plots are as dumb and idiotic as the ones found in WWE.

Next thing we know, the "Parker" in this series is actually a midget on steroids who is from the world Lamevania, who came here to rescue us from the evils of Sir Diabeetus the Large, exploiting his weakness of Boston Creme doughnuts! But wait, what's this? OH MY GAWD, THE MIDGET IS ACTUALLY A SENTIENT COLLECTION OF SPANK SOCKS! THE REAL PETER ENTERS THROUGH THE CEILING WITH A BOTTLE OF BLEACH, KILLS THE MIDGET, AND WINS THE SUPER ULTRA CHAMPIONSHIP BELT! SIR DIABEETUS WAS ACTUALLY AUNT MAY FROM A REVERSE-ULTRA-PARADOXICAL-UNIVERSE!

/yawn

All I can picture is J. Jonah as JR and Kang the Conqueror as Jerry Lawler

"BAH GAWD KANG! THAT MENACE SPIDERMAN IS AT IT AGAIN FOR GOD SAKE'S THAT MIDGET HAS A FAMILY!"

I was never into comics but I remember people making a HUGE, HUGE, HUGE deal about the 'Death of Superman' comics. People (or at least the stupid kids I hung out with) really thought it was the end of Superman comics. I knew a bunch of people who bought 2+ copies because, obviously, that comic was going to be worth a fortune.

Of course, it was non-sense. So long as they can squeeze another dollar out; Superman will live. I think they stopped the comic for two months then launched EVEN MORE Superman comics and, of course, Superman was fine.

At this point, I don't see why anyone would care. Kill Spiderman? Wait a few weeks, he's fine. Oh and 'leaking' the story in advance....yay, that was absolutely not on purpose. Totally.

Shrugging Atlas:Parthenogenetic: "Aargh! Your indomitable moral foundation inspired by your Uncle Ben's death has confounded me, Parker! And my personality has been forever changed by sharing my psyche with you! I have seen that with great power, comes great responsibility. So I will do the responsible thing, and take my leave of your body. This will not be the end, though! For I have prepared an upgraded Otto Octavius clone body for myself, which was heavily foreshadowed six issues ago! And it still has those four extra mechanical appendages! But look, now I have a spider motif, for octopi and arachnids both have eight limbs! HA HAAAA! And I will warp the "great responsibility" aspect of Uncle Ben's maxim, by vowing to end the world's suffering by creating a totalitarian state under my dominion, so that nobody will ever suffer the loss of their beloved Uncle Ben again!"

That's probably scary close to how this plays out.

And it's entirely predictable so anyone praising this as being something "new" or "creative" can go eat a pile of Sabretooth poo.

Face it, this year long 'storyline' is at best worth one throwaway episode. Hell, this gimmick was done numerous times on Smallville and they never made it into a two-parter, always resolved it within an hour.

I actually think a villain ending up in a hero's body permanently could be an interesting concept, though I might create a hero character specifically for someone like Doc Ock to displace instead of wrecking a character/adding more kitsch to his already super-kitschy history that a lot of people are emotionally invested in. Just read up on how Psylocke was handled and try not to make the same mistakes.

Fark_Guy_Rob:I was never into comics but I remember people making a HUGE, HUGE, HUGE deal about the 'Death of Superman' comics. People (or at least the stupid kids I hung out with) really thought it was the end of Superman comics. I knew a bunch of people who bought 2+ copies because, obviously, that comic was going to be worth a fortune.

Of course, it was non-sense. So long as they can squeeze another dollar out; Superman will live. I think they stopped the comic for two months then launched EVEN MORE Superman comics and, of course, Superman was fine.

Back in 1992, when a major comic character died, they usually stayed dead for a significant period of time. Barry Allen stayed dead (until recently), Jason Todd stayed dead (until recently), Bucky stayed dead (until recently), not counting clones, Gwen Stacey stayed dead, Uncle Ben stayed dead. Really, the only major character to break with this prior to 1993 was Jean Grey and she still stayed dead for six years. Then there was the absolute silence from DC for three months.

The Death of Superman kicked off the craze of killing major characters and bringing them back as gimmicks. Prior to that, people had every reason to believe that was the last we would see of Superman for a couple of years, at least. We didn't have the internet to fuel rumors and provide easy access to spoilers. Keeping a publishing secret was possible in 1992 without the internet.

RoxtarRyan:This is why I stopped reading years ago.. the plots are as dumb and idiotic as the ones found in WWE.

Next thing we know, the "Parker" in this series is actually a midget on steroids who is from the world Lamevania, who came here to rescue us from the evils of Sir Diabeetus the Large, exploiting his weakness of Boston Creme doughnuts! But wait, what's this? OH MY GAWD, THE MIDGET IS ACTUALLY A SENTIENT COLLECTION OF SPANK SOCKS! THE REAL PETER ENTERS THROUGH THE CEILING WITH A BOTTLE OF BLEACH, KILLS THE MIDGET, AND WINS THE SUPER ULTRA CHAMPIONSHIP BELT! SIR DIABEETUS WAS ACTUALLY AUNT MAY FROM A REVERSE-ULTRA-PARADOXICAL-UNIVERSE!

Zombie DJ:Hebalo:Yup. We'll get a few issues of "I'M Doc Ock and now I have to be Spider-Man", when suddenly Peter's conciousness starts to seep back in, and then we get Doc Ock and Peter fighting for control of the brain/body, and eventually, Peter wins, Doc Ock dies/gets a new body.

With a "Heaven" fight where Uncle Ben helps out like Pa Kent did in Superman 600.

Issue #700 has become a perfect "jumping off" point for me for the series. Which, I think, should not be the intention of the publishers and writers. Not to be overtly contrarian here - but I haven't been particularly fond of Dan Slott's writing, or of the "event focus" nature of ASM for the last couple of years (or the dropped plot threads that seemingly go nowhere...) and I'm certainly not interested in reading a book where Dr. Octopus is pretending to be Peter Parker/Spiderman.

Yes, I realize, it's all a big put on and probably even providing Marvel with a way to undo the "One More Day" storyline. Still, why would anyone pick this issue up? Or to be more succinct - why would anyone pick up the next years worth of issues? If you're a new reader who probably knows the movies/television, then this storyline will make no sense and probably alienate you. If you're an existing reader, why continue with the book when the character that is the main character has essentially been replaced?

That's why I said this issue is a natural "jumping off" point. It's a good time to put down ASM from the perspective of a long time reader. However, I'm not so certain that this is also a good time for a new reader to pick up the book.

TwistedFark:Yes, I realize, it's all a big put on and probably even providing Marvel with a way to undo the "One More Day" storyline. Still, why would anyone pick this issue up? Or to be more succinct - why would anyone pick up the next years worth of issues? If you're a new reader who probably knows the movies/television, then this storyline will make no sense and probably alienate you. If you're an existing reader, why continue with the book when the character that is the main character has essentially been replaced?

Yeah, Peter will be back right in time for the new Spider-Man movie. They won't want to confuse possible new readers. Sort of Like Steve Rogers returned around the time Captain America came back and Spider-man had the black suit back when Spider-Man 3 came out.