Ubuntu repos seem inevitable, they blend cutting edge with stability, which is the balance im sure Kano probably would like. All that work already done for him is a tempting prospect. As people keep saying the difference between testing and sid isnt much- and this is applicable to stability too. Testing isnt much more stable than sid- so basing Kanotix on testing would be little difference in workload for Kano.

The difference between testing and Sid isn't much when it comes to bleeding edge, but it is a lot when it comes to stability. Right now testing is nearing release.

I have read the forums in both languages and it is quite clear that by far the majority of kanotix users are against Ubuntu. But again, this is Kano'd distro.

mh...
I'm thinking a lot about this theme...
My favourite and only distro is going to have a big change
This means it's somehow going to be a different distro, in the end.

Different base, it looks like it's going to be Ubuntu, after years of people talking not very kindly of it. (parassites, leechers, fork)

I dont' like radical changes, they are a sort of forgetting the past, or admitting great mistakes, things that I don't think are right in this case.

If Kanotix was famous for being a sid-based distro, with great repositories and hardware recognition (I think these are the most important caracteristic...), I think it'd be better to start a new project with different aims, than changing things in a well-working reality.

I know that It would be much harder work for kano, who I'd like to thank anyway for this unbelivable distro and what he made in this years, but I think it could be a clearer and cleaner way.

Kanotix was great for giving me the opportunity to have cutting-edge sw, almost stable, in order to enjoy almost real-time progress of applications, without having big troubles on my productivity... (just some crashes, very few...) and everything with the warranty of using 100% FREE SW, which was, for me, the most important thing.

It has been a great experience and I hope to go on with it (it depends on if kanotix turns non-debian based)

Ok, guys, sorry for bugging and it's all.

Thanks for your time and good luck to everybody!

Gowator

Titel:Verfasst am: 05.12.2006, 12:59 Uhr

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Daniele hat folgendes geschrieben::

wegface hat folgendes geschrieben::

Ubuntu repos seem inevitable, they blend cutting edge with stability, which is the balance im sure Kano probably would like. All that work already done for him is a tempting prospect. As people keep saying the difference between testing and sid isnt much- and this is applicable to stability too. Testing isnt much more stable than sid- so basing Kanotix on testing would be little difference in workload for Kano.

The difference between testing and Sid isn't much when it comes to bleeding edge, but it is a lot when it comes to stability. Right now testing is nearing release.

I have read the forums in both languages and it is quite clear that by far the majority of kanotix users are against Ubuntu. But again, this is Kano'd distro.

I have to agree....

Zitat:

Ubuntu repos seem inevitable, they blend cutting edge with stability, which is the balance im sure Kano probably would like. All that work already done for him is a tempting prospect. As people keep saying the difference between testing and sid isnt much- and this is applicable to stability too. Testing isnt much more stable than sid- so basing Kanotix on testing would be little difference in workload for Kano.

For me its more complex than this ....
Just one example, I use bibblepro... Ubuntuers keep installing the .deb then compaining its unstable.
(As are Suse users who install the RH/FC RPM)
The point is of course it is, the Ubuntu lib's are NOT the debian libs.
Sure you can --force-all but why expect it to work?

This is just one example because I saw it on the forum for bibble ...
but its an old familiar problem for Suse users....
They download RH/Mandr* RPM's and expect them to work... but suse has hacked the libs and moved them about... so often vendors make a special Suse RPM... (afterall Suse is just a slackware "leech" whether thier userbase recognise this or not) ...
I'm not sure if Ubuntu deserves leech... but one thing is for sure, Ubuntu != Debian ... you can't expect any Debian .deb to work...

Yea and no, the differences tend to be small after an official Debian release and then large...the same goes for criticisms of the kanotix release cycle...
Its dependant to some extent on the Debian one... because the Debian stable tree influences testing freezes etc.

Yes it seems a little affrettato to jump off the ship right now
I honestly don't care about loosing bleeding edge... but *buntu is just too much...I'd prefer to use testing to *buntu but the problem is security updates... but even if the team are jumping off the ship I'm waiting for kano to make his mind up....
To buntu or not to buntu .. that is the question?
(although it sounds better in Italian )

Daniele

Titel:Verfasst am: 06.12.2006, 00:35 Uhr

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Gowator hat folgendes geschrieben::

Yes it seems a little affrettato to jump off the ship right now
I honestly don't care about loosing bleeding edge... but *buntu is just too much...I'd prefer to use testing to *buntu but the problem is security updates... but even if the team are jumping off the ship I'm waiting for kano to make his mind up....
To buntu or not to buntu .. that is the question?
(although it sounds better in Italian )

By now I'm just observing, I already tried Parsix and I find it very interesting, but I'm much more confortable with kanotix.
I could stand the switch to testing, I know that packages pass from sid to testing in a short time and I'm not in such a need of fresh stuff.

Yes it seems a little affrettato to jump off the ship right now
I honestly don't care about loosing bleeding edge... but *buntu is just too much...I'd prefer to use testing to *buntu but the problem is security updates... but even if the team are jumping off the ship I'm waiting for kano to make his mind up....
To buntu or not to buntu .. that is the question?
(although it sounds better in Italian )

Nice, you can read Italian .

Not really but its much better than my German!

Zitat:

As to security updates, testing does get them, though.

Yes but not so frequently as testing... although you can argue that's because its already audited but like I say I'd rather pure ANY Debian than *buntu.

Zitat:

Neanch'io abbandono la nave, ne' tanto meno passo al nuovo progetto.

As I said: Neanch'io alleggerire la nave gettando il carico in acqua

OK perhaps writing is a bit ambitious!
(I hope that's what I said) sorry its meant to be funny... cargo/burden/ristretto.... and it rhymes with distro...

For everybody, I'd like to thank Kano and all the developers for the great work in these years, and wish everyone a great success in their future projects. Thanks guys

_________________Kanotix rules
Friûl libar

The_Seeker

Titel:Verfasst am: 06.12.2006, 21:41 Uhr

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We get the idea, you can speak Italian; now how about taking it to a private session.

jackiebrown

Titel:Verfasst am: 07.12.2006, 06:22 Uhr

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I just assumed this was they're thread

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Gowator

Titel:Verfasst am: 07.12.2006, 12:59 Uhr

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The_Seeker hat folgendes geschrieben::

We get the idea, you can speak Italian; now how about taking it to a private session.

Erm like on the Italian forum?

You might not realise but Latin languages offer a good deal more expression than English especially over subjectivity.
What can be expressed elegantly in Italian or a latin language often sounds "crude" in English. English is my mother tongue but I still at times find it easier to express certain things in French... simply because it offers more subjectivity.

I haven't spent more than 1/2 hour in my life learning Italian but I can read the thread fine.(OK I speak French so its a good start but equally to any latin language)... and asking the native Italians to express themselves in the same way in English is a bit like handcuffing them. I have met lots of people through the internet many of whom you presume speak great English but its often not the case.(I often tell French speakers to reply in French if they prefer and they usually do).. many spend a long time with spell and grammer checkers and then post something they hope has the right tone....

The_Seeker

Titel:Verfasst am: 07.12.2006, 13:14 Uhr

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Zitat:

You might not realise but Latin languages offer a good deal more expression than English especially over subjectivity.

I can believe it as a lot of English words are derived from Latin.

I apologise for my previous message. I've been reading it back and I sound rude. Maybe I'm just jealous that I only know one language.

Gowator

Titel:Verfasst am: 07.12.2006, 15:47 Uhr

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The_Seeker hat folgendes geschrieben::

Zitat:

You might not realise but Latin languages offer a good deal more expression than English especially over subjectivity.

I can believe it as a lot of English words are derived from Latin.

I apologise for my previous message. I've been reading it back and I sound rude. Maybe I'm just jealous that I only know one language.

Its never too late to learn... even though stats say otherwise

I don't think you were rude especially just hadn't thought it out or perhaps because you were restricted to English which doesn't have the same expressiveness as latin lang's...

Ive been surprised by quite a few "proficient English posters" when you meet them in person... they often make a great effort to post in English and then worry it sounds to "direct"...

Its like the joke I tried to make earlier....
"Cargo" or Carico has a lot of subtle uses in Italian... as in English we would say don't throw the baby out with the bathwater...
but it also can mean a burden or strong coffee.... or
"distacco di carico" to shed a load....
In this context strong coffee is a reference to programming the world over...
a burden can be testing.... but all of that is lost in English...

Then again it might not make ANY SENSE at all to an Italian...
That is kinda the problem non native English speakers face everyday...
I post on a few boards in French, sometimes people just because I said something weird... makes sense to me but native speakers just don't say it that way...

DeepDayze

Titel:Verfasst am: 09.12.2006, 00:47 Uhr

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@Seeker..at least kanotix is an international thing

DeepDayze

Titel:Verfasst am: 09.12.2006, 00:49 Uhr

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its good to get exposure to various languages...even to be able to get the gist of what's written/spoken.

nemesis

Titel:Verfasst am: 09.12.2006, 08:21 Uhr

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Kanotix is the only OS I've found that works for me, and I don't think it has too much to do with SID. I don't care if Kano decides to base it off Windows, I think I'll stick with this as long as it's around.

Daniele

Titel:Verfasst am: 09.12.2006, 09:48 Uhr

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nemesis hat folgendes geschrieben::

Kanotix is the only OS I've found that works for me, and I don't think it has too much to do with SID.

I have used Kanotix in the past, but because I was first a Mepis user I stuck with that distro as my main OS. I went through the change to Ubuntu repos with Mepis and did not find a change in the handling of the OS. The Mepis distro did not take on a K/Ubuntu feel, but stayed a Mepis distro: same installer, same utilities, same basic package selection, no sudo'ing, and same look and feel. Mepis is not a Kubuntu clone. Mepis using Dapper repos is stable (except for the video driver problem awhile back ) and updates are routinely made so it is an actively maintained repo (LTS). Mepis based on testing was still a problem at times, especially when a new KDE hit the repos. Currently, a fresh Mepis install can still have many updates, but not nearly as many as when it was based on the testing branch. I believe the kernels are Ubuntu based, but come from a Mepis repo so they are tweaked.

If done right, Kanotix can still be Kanotix (custom script, utilities, and installer, etc.), but just use the software packages from Ubuntu. I currently see the K/Ubuntu clones starting to come out, just tweak the final product and call it a new OS, but somehow this is probably not what Kanotix will be.

I have used Kanotix in the past, but because I was first a Mepis user I stuck with that distro as my main OS. I went through the change to Ubuntu repos with Mepis and did not find a change in the handling of the OS. The Mepis distro did not take on a K/Ubuntu feel, but stayed a Mepis distro: same installer, same utilities, same basic package selection, no sudo'ing, and same look and feel. Mepis is not a Kubuntu clone. Mepis using Dapper repos is stable (except for the video driver problem awhile back ) and updates are routinely made so it is an actively maintained repo (LTS). Mepis based on testing was still a problem at times, especially when a new KDE hit the repos. Currently, a fresh Mepis install can still have many updates, but not nearly as many as when it was based on the testing branch. I believe the kernels are Ubuntu based, but come from a Mepis repo so they are tweaked.

If done right, Kanotix can still be Kanotix (custom script, utilities, and installer, etc.), but just use the software packages from Ubuntu. I currently see the K/Ubuntu clones starting to come out, just tweak the final product and call it a new OS, but somehow this is probably not what Kanotix will be.

I apoligize for my double post. When I submitted I was told I had an authentication error. I then resubmitted before I checked if it had actually been posted. Oops!

ceti

Titel:Verfasst am: 13.12.2006, 22:41 Uhr

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Yes, MEPIS is MEPIS, no matter the Ubuntu repos. MEPIS is still a GREAT distro an I don't believe Kanotix will not be Kanotix anymore if Kano chooses the Ubuntu road.
Etch? Sid? Dapper? Edgy? Who cares? People want a secure, working distro, no more, no less.