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ehh.. i still think communism sucks. i think anyone in the world should have the right to accumulate wealth if he works hard and earns it. why should one man work his ass off and get the same thing as another man who doesn't work hard at all? that is NOT fair at all. if a man wants to work hard he should earn what he deserves.

ya know.. communism reminds of dirty hippies,at least in one aspect. and you all know how much i hate hippies. they all preach about equality. equality is some dream that no one will ever attain. give it up already and work on goals that can be achieved. (i know hippies are all about the peace no war thing too, but communists generally are not. that's why i didn't mention that.)

"when you look around, you can't tell me honestly you're happy with what you see"

Again, if you would care to read any books actually written by the people who came up with the idea, you will learn that Stalinism is a total and complete corruption of communism. And if the Russians didn't like communism, even the perverted form, then why do over ninety percent of Russians say they wish for a return to the Soviet Union? And again if you knew what you were talking about you would know China's leaders sold themselves over to capitalism. Communism has saved the lives of millions around the world and made lives better for people in every country around the world in which even its perverted forms have been implemented. Look at Guatemala and see what unrestrained capitalism brings, or just look at the great depression. As for keeping what you earn, true communism gives you everything you need, while the vast majority of wealth and property are owned by a few people who do no real work. Sitting at a desk and meeting other rich people to congratulate each other for oppressing the poor masses around the globe. Those who actually make the products or perform the service are totally and completely dicked over.

"The constitutional republic is a dictatorship of our collective exploiters, the social democratic red republic is a dictatorship of their former allies." -Karl Marx

I hope you're not talking to me in those rebuttals. Because if you'll look back, I didn't discuss the problems or merits in communism or capitalism. I said that your statement, "Communism and socialism are purely democratic" was ridiculous.

the idea of communism may be a decent one in the fact that everyone would be "equal". but you take the ideals of communism and put it into action in the real world and it just doesn't work. communism has NEVER been a successful form of government. look back through history. it hasn't not worked once.

communism allows for way too much corruption. the government officials have no one to answer too. just look to Russia since you mentioned it. there is so much organized crime there it's absurd. the mafia was pretty much running the show. while they still have huge ties to the government officials, it is not nearly as bad as it was under the communist form.

"when you look around, you can't tell me honestly you're happy with what you see"

truthspreader, I'd like to point that I didn't even make an argument on the subject. I just said that your statement was pretty stupid. So feel free to tell everybody whatever the hell you want, but don't give me any petty lectures on this bullshit, because frankly I don't give a fuck.

By saying it was stupid you are making an argument. And if you don't give a fuck, why start the topic? The Mafia is a new thing in Russia. It did exist under communism but was hunted and left in the shadows. Now eighty percent of all Russian businesses pay 'protection' money to them. Yeltsin's shock therapy cut the legs out of the Russian economy. Their standard of living has fallen by more than half. And as I said earlier, Soviet 'communism' was Stalinism, not what communism really is. And no totalitarian system will last as long as the people know they don't have political freedom. America is different, they are a secret police state. And its people seem pretty dilusional about it.

"The constitutional republic is a dictatorship of our collective exploiters, the social democratic red republic is a dictatorship of their former allies." -Karl Marx

I started the topic because there was another thread in this forum about something completely different, and after a while, it led to people arguing about how communism sucks. So I created a new thread specifically for that. It's within my job context as a global moderator to ensure that threads stay reasonably on topic, and make accomodations for however they may branch out. I don't give a fuck about this subject.