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She claims it was allowed to happen by the Zetas/Council of Worlds to give the human race a pretaste. How crazy is this bullshit. Do the storms on earth have to ask for a permission?

Quoting: Truther 26701635

Just like Hurricane Katrina, seven years ago, was supposed to be a taste of things to come when "Planet X" would cause a "pole shift" BEFORE 2012.

I've decided that a great number of the "supporters" she has on the ning are either 1) sock puppets/alter egos or 2) people who are just playing with her and feeding her delusion.

Quoting: Circuit Breaker

Membership numbers are variable on Ning. If people are suspended, the total includes them in some places, like the Ning member counts in emails from Ning. Suspension tracks a person who tries to return with the same email address. However, if an account is deleted, the person is not counted as a "member," but can sign up again since their email address has been removed from that network. So, to say there are 745 members depends on where you are getting the total from. The "Members" tab (which last known was removed from public view on that ning) total is the correct figure.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21075357

just add /profiles/members to their url and you get the members list - count stands at 695.

There is a new wacko "doomer" on Youtube. She banned me for pointing out the facts, as they always do. It was fun for a while, but I really should put my focus on more productive things. She appears to be new to the whole PX thing and is regurgitating every old debunked rumor about it as well as piling up every wild innuendo she can find. Maybe somebody else wants to play "point out the BS".

Another of the other odd things the "believers" do is throw out what they consider to be "scientific facts", supporting the existence of PX, but when you point out how wrong their specifics are, they go off on a tangent where they claim that science is basically worthless and can't really ever know anything. In other words, they only want to hear "science" which support their beliefs. Sigh... If it wasn't so truly sad, it would be funny.

And IDW/A.A came back to his thread to claim he's not wrong, but he "will not waste my time posting here any longer as there is nothing to gain at this point and it would have no productive result at this point."

Another of the other odd things the "believers" do is throw out what they consider to be "scientific facts", supporting the existence of PX, but when you point out how wrong their specifics are, they go off on a tangent where they claim that science is basically worthless and can't really ever know anything. In other words, they only want to hear "science" which support their beliefs. Sigh... If it wasn't so truly sad, it would be funny.

Quoting: Menow 18943200

I have noticed that as well. Believers will cite official sources right up to the moment the source starts disproving their position, and then claim the source is worthless, or compromised somehow. I remember Nancy claiming that Jakarta was under 80 feet of water, yet flights were still routinely taking off and landing...

There is a new wacko "doomer" on Youtube. She banned me for pointing out the facts, as they always do. It was fun for a while, but I really should put my focus on more productive things. She appears to be new to the whole PX thing and is regurgitating every old debunked rumor about it as well as piling up every wild innuendo she can find. Maybe somebody else wants to play "point out the BS".

There is a new wacko "doomer" on Youtube. She banned me for pointing out the facts, as they always do. It was fun for a while, but I really should put my focus on more productive things. She appears to be new to the whole PX thing and is regurgitating every old debunked rumor about it as well as piling up every wild innuendo she can find. Maybe somebody else wants to play "point out the BS".

Another of the other odd things the "believers" do is throw out what they consider to be "scientific facts", supporting the existence of PX, but when you point out how wrong their specifics are, they go off on a tangent where they claim that science is basically worthless and can't really ever know anything. In other words, they only want to hear "science" which support their beliefs. Sigh... If it wasn't so truly sad, it would be funny.

Quoting: Menow 18943200

I have noticed that as well. Believers will cite official sources right up to the moment the source starts disproving their position, and then claim the source is worthless, or compromised somehow. I remember Nancy claiming that Jakarta was under 80 feet of water, yet flights were still routinely taking off and landing...

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74444

Well, she never actually claimed it HAD dropped 80 feet, did she? That was her prediction, but I think she backpedaled on that, at one point, and inserted something vague about it happening slower. I don't know if she ever gave an exact figure for how far it allegedly HAS sunk. She just keeps posting pics of general flooding and being non-specific about numbers.

There is a new wacko "doomer" on Youtube. She banned me for pointing out the facts, as they always do. It was fun for a while, but I really should put my focus on more productive things. She appears to be new to the whole PX thing and is regurgitating every old debunked rumor about it as well as piling up every wild innuendo she can find. Maybe somebody else wants to play "point out the BS".

Once we get beyond 2012 I guess these "doomer" people are gonna have to find them some "newwww" dates to keep the "PX" BS going.

Quoting: The Lone Ranger

Yeah... her stuff is really lame. She has several vids and is doing an internet radio show too. The vids are just regurgitations of the insipid Neumayer stuff and other nonsense and I guess it just gets to me that these people repeat stuff that has been so thoroughly debunked. Then people come on there are congratulate her for providing her "research" to them and repeat OTHER nonsense they have heard and accepted as true.

These new "news" sources like "ireport" are the Nibirutards newest venue for pushing their crap and people don't care to notice that it doesn't have to be REAL to end up on there.

Seriously- I have gotten too obsessed with what these idiots are believing and doing. It's like I want to "show them the light" or something, but they never seem to want anything other than what they have already decided to believe.

Is there a 'Nibiru-anonymous' chapter around? I may need a 12-step program...

I had a discussion with some kids not long ago. The gist of it was that they feel lucky that they don't have to memorize things anymore like the old folks did, because anything they need to know can be found using google and wikepedia on their smart phones. One of them even said that if you don't want to read there is usually a video on youtube that explains it all for you. No sense carrying a lot of unnecessary information in the brain, they said, life's too short. When I asked them how they find the correct information in a sea of advertising, false information and opinion, they just blank stared at me. I reminded them that anyone can fake a video, that photoshop can be used to fake anything if the faker knows how to use it and that wikepedia is not a reliable source, and that none of the information on the internet is of any use if the net were to go down, then what would they do? They got a little hostile and remembered they had to be somewhere else. This is why people like Nancy, Clif and the like have such an easy time leading the ignorant by the nose.

I had a discussion with some kids not long ago. The gist of it was that they feel lucky that they don't have to memorize things anymore like the old folks did, because anything they need to know can be found using google and wikepedia on their smart phones. One of them even said that if you don't want to read there is usually a video on youtube that explains it all for you. No sense carrying a lot of unnecessary information in the brain, they said, life's too short. When I asked them how they find the correct information in a sea of advertising, false information and opinion, they just blank stared at me. I reminded them that anyone can fake a video, that photoshop can be used to fake anything if the faker knows how to use it and that wikepedia is not a reliable source, and that none of the information on the internet is of any use if the net were to go down, then what would they do? They got a little hostile and remembered they had to be somewhere else. This is why people like Nancy, Clif and the like have such an easy time leading the ignorant by the nose.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10422385

Wow. That is a very telling anecdote. They are substituting the internet in place of having their own personal knowledge and seeing nothing wrong with that.

On the other hand, I have seen a lot of older people who have fallen for Nancy's story. It's somehow quite seductive for some people. I know I gave Nancy the benefit of the doubt until images of her coordinates first came out in 2001 and I saw how she spun them into a "hit" on her prediction. They were no such thing, but a majority of her followers couldn't seem to see through her BS.

PS: The people I knew who built the retreat in the national forest to save them from "Planet X" were highly educated and intelligent- still they bought into it. I think that may have been where I first heard about Nancy and the "Zetas". Interestingly, those people I knew were also doing a sort of "channeling" activity, and whatever they were communicating with was backing up the basic PX story. I have said, many times, that I believe Nancy is "channeling", whatever that might be, technically. I know most people think that sort of thing is always faked, but I have known too many people, up close and personal, who have been involved in doing that sort of thing and I know they were not intentionally "faking" it. I can't say I understand what is really going on, but I do believe Nancy is getting input from whatever "Zetas" is.

I wonder if the 2012 doomsayers are getting worried yet. After all, we're only a month away from December 21 and there's no sign of apocalypse. If doom were coming in the form of some galactic alignment or passing through the center of some spacial anomaly as some have predicted, then we would be feeling the affects of that already.

I wonder if the 2012 doomsayers are getting worried yet. After all, we're only a month away from December 21 and there's no sign of apocalypse. If doom were coming in the form of some galactic alignment or passing through the center of some spacial anomaly as some have predicted, then we would be feeling the affects of that already.

Quoting: Circuit Breaker

If they follow the usual pattern, their faith will *strengthen* as December 21st approaches. When the world is still here on the 22nd, some will call it quits, but that will be a minority. A majority of followers, having invested too much of themselves in the idea already, will believe *even more fervently than before,* and buy whatever excuse the doomsayers come up with as to why December 21st failed.

PS: The people I knew who built the retreat in the national forest to save them from "Planet X" were highly educated and intelligent- still they bought into it. I think that may have been where I first heard about Nancy and the "Zetas". Interestingly, those people I knew were also doing a sort of "channeling" activity, and whatever they were communicating with was backing up the basic PX story. I have said, many times, that I believe Nancy is "channeling", whatever that might be, technically. I know most people think that sort of thing is always faked, but I have known too many people, up close and personal, who have been involved in doing that sort of thing and I know they were not intentionally "faking" it. I can't say I understand what is really going on, but I do believe Nancy is getting input from whatever "Zetas" is.

Quoting: Menow 1394150

That is interesting. I would agree about the claim that also "highly educated people" aren't excempt from falling for Nancy's BS...

In fact I made the same observation among the Moderators:Some are very smart but when it comes to ZetaTalk they avoid any conflicts with logic.

Also,I don't know how to describe it but I noticed that believers often slowly start to wildly connect sensations.

For example:They deal the whole day with PX/PS-related topics which leads them to dream about it - (logically because their brain deals with it).

After they dreamed something PS-related they start assuming that their dreams must have had a particular reason, a purpose or even visionary-aspects because it seemingly fits to their conscious belief.

Another Example:Someone feels rather uneasy, having headaches etc...Now, since having headaches or "simply having a bad day" is not considered realistic, they assume it must be the Magnetosphere or some other hidden influence.

Another Example:Someone had a weird sensation, or just a "bare hunch" about something... It is assumed that this hunch has a particular reason that usally stays in accordance with their belief. Like:"Feeling uneasy?" - "Something big must be pending"...

Im sure there is a psychological "term" to describe this behaviour... however it shows how far these people draw relations between stuff that really isn't connected at all.

Regarding Channeling, in my mind this "channeling" could be described by the same mechanisms. I.e. someone deals so much with the desire (channeling) that the unconscious-mind starts to adapt and manifest the desired way.

That said, I'd be interested to hear how these "channeled information" appeared to you and wether they contained anything factual or something that hinted they aren't just made-up-information by their minds.?

Thanks.

Even earthchanges ning - a not very popular page - has more members now than crazy Nancy`s poleshit/lenseshift ning.

Quoting: Truther 27192679

Is this Lothar speaking? If so, this is just sour grapes you were suspended from earthchanges ning for cause. Why, it was a good site in your eyes, until you were suspended. You said so yourself on your website, remember?

In fact, the blog that outlined why you were ousted could be reposted so everyone could be reminded of the truth. You're still a Nancyphile, aren't you? You're still using her tactics and talking just like her, trying to influence opinion. The few who do that have agendas. Nobody else cares.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21075357

First, Welcome! :)Second, Why do you think Lothar is a Nancyphile? I really dont see any rational reason to assume this... in fact the way his site currently looks, his character and the way he talked about her indicated he's rather "Nancyphob"?I mean, it looks he's looking for his answers elsewhere but I dont see him supporting Nancy anywhere... (except some info's about the PX-theory)..

Just my opinion.Anway, glad to have you here.

I wonder if the 2012 doomsayers are getting worried yet. After all, we're only a month away from December 21 and there's no sign of apocalypse. If doom were coming in the form of some galactic alignment or passing through the center of some spacial anomaly as some have predicted, then we would be feeling the affects of that already.

Quoting: Circuit Breaker

I wonder about that aswell and I think Yes - they are getting (increasingly) worried, impatient.

If applied to the PS-Ning I would think that on the surface people may present calmness but as a former moderator I know that things are not always what they seem over there.Behind the curtain (lets say unconsciously) they are sick of Nancy's excuses already and Im sure it will slowly become more apparent on the surface.

I think people will increasingly demand timelines or anything that will give them the comfort to believe that the changes are actually happening.Since we're hardly noticing any doom-and-gloom I think the conflict between their irrationable mind and their unconsciousness will increase.

Another of the other odd things the "believers" do is throw out what they consider to be "scientific facts", supporting the existence of PX, but when you point out how wrong their specifics are, they go off on a tangent where they claim that science is basically worthless and can't really ever know anything. In other words, they only want to hear "science" which support their beliefs. Sigh... If it wasn't so truly sad, it would be funny.

Quoting: Menow

That's rampant on conspiracy sites and not just from the PX people. Part of the game is exaggerating the academic credentials of anyone who has said anything that can be used in support of the conspiracy theory.

I have said, many times, that I believe Nancy is "channeling", whatever that might be, technically. I know most people think that sort of thing is always faked, but I have known too many people, up close and personal, who have been involved in doing that sort of thing and I know they were not intentionally "faking" it. I can't say I understand what is really going on, but I do believe Nancy is getting input from whatever "Zetas" is.

Quoting: Menow 1394150

We've had this discussion a number of times over the years--I also believe in "channeling" (whatever that may be) but I still think Nancy is faking it. For one thing Nancy can identify questions that the "Zetas" won't be able to answer.

Regarding Channeling, in my mind this "channeling" could be described by the same mechanisms. I.e. someone deals so much with the desire (channeling) that the unconscious-mind starts to adapt and manifest the desired way.

That said, I'd be interested to hear how these "channeled information" appeared to you and wether they contained anything factual or something that hinted they aren't just made-up-information by their minds.?

Thanks.

Quoting: MoreAboutTunnelVision

How it "appeared to me"? Well, I was saying that some of it was along the same general lines as Nancy's basic story. Why? I have no idea. I have seen that numerous times from people who I know were not connected in any way, and originally it was before the internet even existed to spread the "pole shift" idea around. I first heard that idea from a "channeled" source in the mid-late 1980s. The people I was speaking about in the previous post were "in communication" with some entity(s?) or other who were confirming the general idea of pending cataclysmic events, ala Nancy Lieder. Those people where led to believe that it was imminent. I never saw them actually "channeling" the info. I'm not sure what specific techniques were used to receive the info.

Other instances of "channeling" I have observed were a strange combination of practical advice and mysterious "woo" stuff. Some of it seemed accurate and some of it seemed to be just stupidly false and wrong. Some of it seemed helpful and some of it seemed manipulative. On the other hand, some of it has explained personal experiences I have had which made no sense at all in the "normal" context of the "real" world- I won't go into that part.

I don't know- it's a mystery. I only know that it's not as simple as people just "faking" it.

I have said, many times, that I believe Nancy is "channeling", whatever that might be, technically. I know most people think that sort of thing is always faked, but I have known too many people, up close and personal, who have been involved in doing that sort of thing and I know they were not intentionally "faking" it. I can't say I understand what is really going on, but I do believe Nancy is getting input from whatever "Zetas" is.

Quoting: Menow 1394150

We've had this discussion a number of times over the years--I also believe in "channeling" (whatever that may be) but I still think Nancy is faking it. For one thing Nancy can identify questions that the "Zetas" won't be able to answer.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13806508

I think it's both, in Nancy's case. It's a lot like the whole "Ramtha" thing with JZ Knight. I think she was both connecting with something and then just making it up at other times. I think Nancy believes in her "Zetas" so strongly that she can't let them ever be wrong- it would destroy her, psychologically, to have to admit to herself that "they" are not what she has believed them to be all this time. She just has so much invested in the whole thing. I have said before that I have observed the "always right" thing from other "channels". These people end up with a great deal personally invested in the whole thing.

I wonder if the 2012 doomsayers are getting worried yet. After all, we're only a month away from December 21 and there's no sign of apocalypse. If doom were coming in the form of some galactic alignment or passing through the center of some spacial anomaly as some have predicted, then we would be feeling the affects of that already.

Quoting: Circuit Breaker

If they follow the usual pattern, their faith will *strengthen* as December 21st approaches. When the world is still here on the 22nd, some will call it quits, but that will be a minority. A majority of followers, having invested too much of themselves in the idea already, will believe *even more fervently than before,* and buy whatever excuse the doomsayers come up with as to why December 21st failed.

There is a new wacko "doomer" on Youtube. She banned me for pointing out the facts, as they always do. It was fun for a while, but I really should put my focus on more productive things. She appears to be new to the whole PX thing and is regurgitating every old debunked rumor about it as well as piling up every wild innuendo she can find. Maybe somebody else wants to play "point out the BS".

There is a new wacko "doomer" on Youtube. She banned me for pointing out the facts, as they always do. It was fun for a while, but I really should put my focus on more productive things. She appears to be new to the whole PX thing and is regurgitating every old debunked rumor about it as well as piling up every wild innuendo she can find. Maybe somebody else wants to play "point out the BS".