What is going on with this world? I need to visit Moog factory in Asheville for an excursion they give, they are just 2 hours away from me. I bet in a few years there will be no factory there. At best the factory will be moved to Guangzhou, in worst case Moog will become history…

DFAM is the synth which has very narrow application. It is a box of clicks and pops which Eurorack owners already have in other forms. Look at the amount of preorders for Model D. I it is probably 20x more than on DFAM. Neuron is the killer of Mother32, e.t.c. Moog and other old school vendors wont survive if Uli keeps producing the army of clones. It is revolution!

I agree on the DFAM… I don’t get the hype in the modular community over it.
Yes, for having no patch storage with per step patch change, it can provide a pretty varied sound per step.
But there are drum machines that are cheaper that produce actual individual sounds.
I think a large part of the modular community is too locked in, in the idea of getting as much as possible from a single source… That doesn’t make for great demos for people like me that are interested in modular as building blocks for a custom synth architectures.

That statement makes no sense. Moog has never sold massively compared to cheaper priced synths. It’s never been Moog’s choice to be the cheapest on the market period. Behringer is doing it there way. Behringer’s Model D doesn’t sound like a Moog’s Model D, it’s just looks a bit like one and sounds a bit like one, plays a bit like one, but it’s definatly not a real Model D. 🙂

Btw Moog at this point makes more money than they ever did in recording history.

Did you even try the model D from behringer yet? Or do you judge based on youtube stuff? I’ve got 2 model D’s for a few days already and i know the real moog (i have a 1977 D at the studio) in and out. It’s just the same. Mindblowing.. be careful with statements of pre-judgung

Well. If Moog will not exist, it will be caused by utterly bullshit attitude toward “(hand)Made in USA”
Like most of the people, I’m not from US and I don’t really care. Open source and local production is the future. If I were to buy some heavy stuff made somewhere on the other side of the planet, it wouldn’t be sustainable in the long run. At least the current consumerism isn’t and smaller manufacturers know that and they’ll be the future.
And why is Moog better than for instance Dreadbox? It isn’t. Nostalgic people don’t drive that world. If Moog keeps inventing, then it will not disappear.

I’d rather see “Made in Japan” on anything I buy, as they have a culture of hard-work and attention to detail. Their quality control is second-to-none; even their kids kill themselves if they don’t ace their high-school results. That said, I’m happy to support Moog and their US workers, but they do have a reputation for some build quality shonkiness (which I’ve experienced) whereas I’ve never had a Korg, Yamaha or Roland fail me (well, my SH3a did conk out after 40 years, but it had a tough life…)

There you go…
“I’d rather see “Made in Japan” on anything I buy, as they have a culture of hard-work…even their kids kill themselves if they don’t ace their high-school results”
WTF!…what an egocentrical world we live in..

but really though, I have owned synths made in many different countries, the ones from Japan have been constructed the best and will always be. It is in the culture to do things right. The kids killing themselves is just a dumb stereotype…but it does happen sometimes. A good way to tell is have two synths from the same company from the same year but one being a model not built in Japan and one being one built in china,Vietnam,ect….you will notice the difference….maybe not then but overtime with the reliability, same goes to cars.

I hope they improve the quality of the keybed on these over the DM12, you can see the gaps on this one in the photo, on my DM12 the gaps are so prominent I can’t
stand playing it anymore .. I just play it via midi with one of my quality keybeds like my Jupiter 80.

Jupiter 80 user here as well. Most of my hardware stuff is Korg but love my old XV-5080 module and my Jupiter 80. I remember how badly the 80 was getting slagged on. They were on sale for like $1800 or something when I bought mine. I love it.
I get some great patch mixes layering it with the Kronos.

The keybed problems were for the initial run(first 2 months). Any DM12 bought since then has had an excellent keybed. Bought mine before Christmas and it’s keybed could match any premium synth in the shop.

@EugeneM : It´s called competition. A hard and fair competion leads to great products. Since decades the synth world wants THAT minimoog sound. Behringer finally managed it to produce it for a reasonable price. I own a Sub37, it´s great, but soundwise limited. But – if Moog would have produced a modern Minimmoog, with enough CVs, with their analog moogerfoogers fx, arp and sequencer, with presets storage to a price around 3000,- , They would sell it like hell. Why they don´t do so?

I have been sarcastic. I know that Mood will be fine. I saw video of their production process and it looked like they make their PCB in China too. They just assembly everything here. As experienced hardware engineer I can tell you that vast majority of PCB are made at the same vendors in China. And components are the same (there are groups of reliability and precision which have different cost, but all consumer devices are in the same group). Someone wrote in a neighbor thread that Moog’s potentiometers work better than Behringer… which is logical non sense as they are all made by same vendors in China. Even Japan made devices have capacitors, resistors, diodes and chips made in China nowadays. Moog spends money for american labor triple checking their devices. Which is good. But Behringer could have the same quality. Just hire 3x more workers in China 🙂 That is what Foxconn does for Apple and no one says iPhone is cheap crap. So yea I think Moog will be fine as they already have taken some steps towards outsourcing production of certain parts.

add the behringer line of synths to the “when you roll up to the show and look at the gear on stage and see a microkorg, a computer, any behringer gear, teenage engineering, etc. you have every right to demand your ticket money back and tell the artist to go fvck themselves.

Hehe, troll bait. And this is the kind of synth snobbery that was ruining the synth scene before Behringer put the cat amongst the pigeons and shook it back into to life! Thank you Behringer for putting the wind up these old gits!

Another consideration is that each generation has the potential to approach these same tools differently. I think of what my generation did with vintage analog synths in the 90s because we couldn’t afford an M1 or SY-77. Maybe we would see the same thing with a younger age group but with clones instead of the actual stuff.

If there is anybody over 55 here … you’ll will remember how things went tits up pretty quickly in the 1970’s. Moog, went out of business … ARP tried to be a bit different but still ripped off the Moog Filter … everybody tried to copy or licenced Organ tech from Italian Organ makers., including the new Moog company. Then the Japanese weighed in copying right left and centre, people were looking over each other’s shoulders and ripping each other off not just Asian companies but companies in the US and Europe too.

It wasn’t any prettier then than it is now. I wanted so many of the Moogs, ARPs, Rolands and Yamaha of the day … but the first synth I could afford was an EDP Wasp… brilliant. Enjoy what’s happening now guys … the synth industry has always been a mess …. all that matters is there is a lot of choose and you don’t need a massive recording contract to buy one.

> the ones from Japan have been constructed the best and will always be

I have a decent collection of Roland 80s synths. All failed, due to terrible design. It’s possible to repair them… at great cost.

I also have a decent collection of Yamaha 80s and 90s synths. Half have failed, including multiple failures and repairs, and half are still working. But in general the Yamahas are better instruments than the Rolands.

I also have quite a few American built synths from the 1970s and 1980s. Remarkably, all these are still working. In fact, the ones with patch memory still have their patches, and the sometimes clumsy methods of maintaining persistent memory have been more reliable than my modern flash drives.

Heh, anyway if Behriger does the Model D i will buy it, the Arp2600 will buy it, the VC340 Vocoder will buy it. No matter what other Indians are of the opinion, because B has the right price and the right product’s. Roland has had the best chance to do things right, but greed won and decided to sell cheap digi S **** t. Moog has and had the opportunity to do the job right, but decided to be greedy. Making a Minimoog really does not cost so much that the price tag says 3K.