How is the clubhouse "toxic?" There haven't been any indications of problems in the clubhouse.

Toxic may not be the correct word. I also Heard Frank's comments on the post game show. He talked about the atmosphere in the dugout, players having their heads down, not much enthusiasm, etc. He felt this would be a bad situation to bring in a young prospect, feeling that Sept. was the better option.

Toxic may not be the correct word. I also Heard Frank's comments on the post game show. He talked about the atmosphere in the dugout, players having their heads down, not much enthusiasm, etc. He felt this would be a bad situation to bring in a young prospect, feeling that Sept. was the better option.

I heard Frank as well. I would call it apathetic, but certainly not toxic. These guys seem to like each other. They're just bad and feeling sorry for themselves.

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I'm not counting this homerun or his 3 RBI from today's game because of the game situation. I'm not counting his pinch hit solo homerun in a blowout win in Colorado. In my book, Crede has 2 less home runs than his statistics show, 4 less RBI, and one less walk (the one where he pinch hit for Uribe after coming in with a 3-0 count and taking one pitch).

He has absolutely nothing else to prove in the minors , this team and it's fans need something to provide a spark , a reason to watch or come to the games. I think this concept of a toxic clubhouse effecting him are extremely far fetched.

Nothing to prove, except maybe strikezone judgement and patience, which is something big. And maybe the ability to be productive when his BABIP drops to something reasonable (it's .442 at AAA this year).

September call up? Sure. If they moved Rios? Sure. But what's the point in bringing him up now with no spot to play? He's got plenty to continue to work on at AAA.

How is the clubhouse "toxic?" There haven't been any indications of problems in the clubhouse.

Toxic as in harmful to those who encounter it. Not that there are problems between players or coaches. Just that everyone is aware of their level of suckiness leading to doubt, expectation of failure, lack of luck, etc., which can become a self-fulfilling prophecy, and hence continue the downward spiral, and as Frank said, it is infectious. You don't want to infect prospects with that attitude.

It would be silly to bring up Garcia now. Garcia needs to play everyday. Our current OF is Viciedo, DeAza, & Rios. If we bring up Garcia we must bench one of those guys. We are trying to TRADE at least one of those guys. Benching them would hurt there value. Therefore, Garcia tears up AAA until we trade one of those cats. or Sept. 1st. Whichever came first.

It would be silly to bring up Garcia now. Garcia needs to play everyday. Our current OF is Viciedo, DeAza, & Rios. If we bring up Garcia we must bench one of those guys. We are trying to TRADE at least one of those guys. Benching them would hurt there value. Therefore, Garcia tears up AAA until we trade one of those cats. or Sept. 1st. Whichever came first.

I think he will be here before the September call-ups if we can find someone to take Dunn or Rios off our hands in a waiver deal.

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It would be silly to bring up Garcia now. Garcia needs to play everyday. Our current OF is Viciedo, DeAza, & Rios. If we bring up Garcia we must bench one of those guys. We are trying to TRADE at least one of those guys. Benching them would hurt there value. Therefore, Garcia tears up AAA until we trade one of those cats. or Sept. 1st. Whichever came first.

Or, you bench Konerko and move Viciedo to 1B/DH. I don't really see a reason to bring him up though.

+1. And, if the Sox are able to deal Rios and/or Alexei Ramirex in August waiver deals, the Sox may have several players (i.e., Brandon Jacobs, Avasail Garcia, and maybe some prospects obtained in deals involving Rios, Ramirez and Crain) to bring up in September.