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Manisegaran (@ bat-*) on: Mon Jan 26 13:04:00 EST 1998

R.Sudarsanam is a great composer of those days. When Meyappa Chettiar laid foundation for the inauguration of AVM, he booked Sudarsanam as the asthana isai amaippalar. The AVM-Sudarsanam pairing went on till Naanum Oru Pen. You could see AVM usind other MDs after that, example Mellisai Mannargal in Server Sundram and MSV in Anbe Vaa. R.Sudarsanam is the only MD affectionately called "MASTER" by his contempoaraies. TKRamamurthy had worked under R.Sudarsanam for films like Vayadi Poli Panjali and En Manaivi.Sathya and RV have taken me down the memory lane of the greatest golden era by listing some of the immortal films and songs. Allow me to list out some of the other films and by Sudarsanam not touched by the respondents.

Sathya, Katpaga cholayile is by T R Mahalingam in another Srivalli acted by Sivaji Ganesan in which the MD is G.Ramanathan. Its a colour film. Sirippu Varuthu by Chandrababu is in Andavan Kattalai not in Annai.Odi Vilayadu Pappa in Vedala Ulagam is by TSBagavathy(Not TR Mahalingam) and MS Rajeswary.
Regards.
Manisegaran

Pagalavan (@ pkri*) on: Mon Jan 26 15:50:07 EST 1998

Manisegaran

Thanks for the details. (Govarthanam, "master"-Oda thambiyaa!) Also, I am not sure if avan piththanaa (Mu.Ka padam, SSR-VjK) was by Sudharsanam (or TKR?) Can anyone clarify? There is this good song iRaivan irukkinRaanaa..manithan kEtkiRaan in that film.

VALIBA VIRUNTHU is also by Sudarsanam Master.
Please include the following in Manamakal Thevai
1.Manamakal Thevai-TMS
2.Engey Engey En Kannukku Virunthengey-TMS&P.Siseela
I must admit that there is so much confusion on several aspects of the Cine News. This is because the original key players in the cine field are no more alive to testify many obscure areas. Even the so-called authorities do make mistakes and retract later. The song books are in many cases not too reliable. Again in the case of the MDs, there is more confusion. If you look at the record it will bear name of one MD and the song book will contain another.
Music for Villambu Patta Pun in Manamagal is composed and sung by CS Jayaraman, while the rest of the songs are by CR Subbaraman. Thiruparam Kundrathil Nee Sirithal in Kanthan Karunai is by Kunnakudi Vaithianathan, whereas the rest of songs are from KVM mama. Kannil Theriyum Kathaigal has 5 composers, which we know as it is closer to our own period. Genoa has 3 MDs -MSV, Kalyanam and GNanamani.Moonru Penkal has 3 compoers-KVM,Asvathama and Kunnakudi Vaithianathan.Manoratham is by G.Ramanathan and CN Pandurangan.Puthu Valvu of MKT has 2 composers-G Ramanathan and CN Pandurangan.Rathnakumar of PU Chinnappa has 2 composers-G Ramanathan and CR Subbaraman.Pattaliyin Vetri has 2 composers-Master Venu and S.Rajeswara Rao. Nalu Veli Nilam has 2 composers-KVM and Athmanathan. Nadodi Mannan has SMS Naidu as the main MD but some songs are by other MDs-so say the credits in the film. The song Kongu Natu Sengarumbe Thangachilaye and Vanameethil Neenthi Odum Vennilave has been sung by both Tiruchy Loganathan and Seergali Govindarajan for Gomathiyin Kathal and there are 2 separate records(MD is GRamanathan)But look ath the song book-different editions give tdifferent details to the singers.(The back ground to this switch is very intersting as rlated to me by Seergaliar when he visited me in my house in Malaysia) Some songs may not be in the film, but will be in song book. Maharajan Ulagai Aalalam in KARNAN, Neeradum Kankal Ingey in VENNIRA AADAI and Thenral Varum Sethi Varum in PALA PAZHAMA are only examples.But they are in the song books.Confusion after confusion both in gathering and in verifying the information. So it depends what you get hold of-credits in film, song book or records. Sadly it is the story of 3 blind men touching different parts of the elephant and coming out strongly and insisting on their own findings. This is the reason that we cant have "Kalanjiyam" in Cine News. Can I now include one more song that I missed last night please? It is Ulagame Ethirthalum in Poomalai by C.S.Jayaraman

Manisegaran (@ bat-*) on: Tue Jan 27 10:41:29 EST 1998

The 3 MDs in Moonru Penkal are KVM, Asvathama and KUNNAKUDI VENGATRAMAN. You see within seconds I am aslo retracting and verifying that there is so much confusion. Pathi Vizhigal moodi Kidanthen Paadal Bothayile athanal Kunnakudi Vengatraman had been typed as Vaithiyanathan. Sorry brothers.

pg (@ gate*) on: Tue Jan 27 10:50:26 EST 1998

I just read Pagalavan mentioning 'Oh rasikkum seemanE' from parAsakthi. What a song ! A perfect song. Not a note out of place. I always get this 'perfect song' feeling when I listen to another song : pAttu pAdava pArthu pEsa vA (AMR).
Both have perfect arrangements, great melodies all the gaps are filled in perfectly; pull one note out and the whole thing will collapse !