In the interview, McCartney also says that his sometimes-bitter relationship with Lennon’s widow, Yoko Ono, is now good. Describing Ono as a “badass,” McCartney says he’s moved on from any bad blood. “I thought, ‘If John loved her, there’s got to be something. He’s not stupid.’”

“It’s like, what are you going to do? Are you going to hold a grudge you never really had?” His also takes wisdom from the words of another late Beatle, George Harrison. “George would say to me, ‘You don’t want stuff like that hanging around in your life.’”