Tornadoes as Judgment, Acts of Nature

Tornadoes (whirlwinds) have long been a tool of divine judgment, and now, it seems they are becoming a more common event, for more people, in more areas.

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Tornadoes are described as whirlwinds in the bible.

Some are powerful, but non-threatening, such as the whirlwind that split the Red Sea, or caught up Elijah to heaven, or the one that Ezekiel saw in a vision of heaven.

But others seem destructive, and acts of divine judgment.

Nah 1:3 The LORD [is] slow to anger, and great in power, and will not at all acquit [the wicked]: the LORD hath his way in the whirlwind and in the storm, and the clouds [are] the dust of his feet.

Hsa 8:7 ¶ For they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind: it hath no stalk: the bud shall yield no meal: if so be it yield, the strangers shall swallow it up.

Eze 1:4 ¶ And I looked, and, behold, a whirlwind came out of the north, a great cloud, and a fire infolding itself, and a brightness [was] about it, and out of the midst thereof as the colour of amber, out of the midst of the fire.

*** the presence of God can be actually in the whirlwind itself, and not just a judgment.

Jer 30:23 ¶ Behold, the whirlwind of the LORD goeth forth with fury, a continuing whirlwind: it shall fall with pain upon the head of the wicked.

Jer 25:32 ¶ Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Behold, evil shall go forth from nation to nation, and a great whirlwind shall be raised up from the coasts of the earth.

Jer 23:19 Behold, a whirlwind of the LORD is gone forth in fury, even a grievous whirlwind: it shall fall grievously upon the head of the wicked.

Pro 1:27 When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you.

The 1974 super tornado outbreak took place in Georgia, Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Michigan, Mississippi, North Carolina, Ohio, South Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia, and West Virginia. How many maps include these states in Tornado Alley?

Not very many, some don’t include any of them; even I don’t include all of them. States such as Florida also have many small tornadoes but because the intensity of most of them is low, it is seldom considered as part of Tornado Alley by anyone.

In 1925 the Tri-State tornado killed 695 people in Missouri, Illinois and Indiana, yet many don’t include these in Tornado Alley, I do. In November 2002 a tornado outbreak took place in Alabama, Tennessee and Ohio, Killing at least 36 people.

Friday, September 20th 2002 a tornado outbreak hit Indiana, I include these states in Tornado Alley, others don’t. History tells me Indiana, Ohio, Illinois, Kentucky and Tennessee are dangerous tornado states.

After the U.S. and Canada, Bangladesh and East India probably get the most violent tornadoes; they certainly suffer the deadliest.

Europe may come next in sheer number and intensity. Tornadoes have been reported across the continent, from Scandinavia south to Italy and from Spain east to European Russia.

The United Kingdom gets more than 30 tornadoes a year, which per unit area compares with the Great Plains. But as in Florida, they’re sired by non-super cell storms and thus pack a much softer punch.

The Southern Hemisphere has several hotspots, including southeastern and southwestern Australia; the region encompassing northern Argentina, Uruguay, and southern Brazil; and southeastern South Africa.

Virtually all areas that regularly see tornadoes share one thing in common: they lie 20° to 50° on either side of the equator, in the mid-latitudes.

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Conclusion

Tornadoes can be a natural, or supernatural, events.

As a creation of God, they are under His power and control.

If tornadoes are to occur in our lives, and possibly present a challenge to us, then we must deal with the reality of this powerful occurrence, and how it could affect us.

Outside of a storm cellar, there is little we can do physically to prepare for one of these whirlwinds.

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In case of danger, I suggest that we do move to safety, but also pray and fall on our face before God, and ask His protection and mercy.

Only He can divert such a powerful thing away from us.

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In the recent tornado event in my state, I had to do this.

An E F 3 Tornado that was a mile wide, spinning at 175 miles per hour, and advancing forward at a pace of 50 miles per hour, was heading straight for my house.

We already had reports that it was a mile from my house, and headed my way.

This was too powerful for me, but there was Someone who was more than able to help me.

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I immediately began to pray, and ask for God’s help and protection.

It says in God’s Word that if we ask anything of the Father, according to His will (which is to protect and love his own), in Jesus name, that it would be done.

I believe in this promise because God said it.

God answered my prayer in His abundant mercy, and I am forever grateful that he protected my home and family.

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I encourage all to do the same, and not to wait until there is an emergency either.

We should all seek God’s face early, and establish this relationship of trust and protection and provision.

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414 Responses to “Tornadoes as Judgment, Acts of Nature”

If God is using tornados and hurricanes to execute judgment on humanity He sure picked a sloppy way to do it. Throwing storms helter-skelter around the planet does not sound like a loving God to me.
I don’t think there is anything supernatural about any recent natural disasters. By recent I mean 2500 years or so. The fact that scientists and storm chasers can now accurately predict many events and that there have been no reports of unexplained phenomenon regarding these things tells me God is not trying to exercise judgement by way of weather, earthquakes or any other natural phenomenon.
Since for the last 2000 years Satan has been in control of the earth, perhaps he is causing the destruction. Kill them all and let God sort them out kind of thing.
The main reason for the increase in the number of storms is global warming which is changing the climate all around the earth. Mostly for the worst. But it is not because God is getting madder at humanity. Oh, there will be a judgement day, but why jump the gun using tornados? All in good time.
Bottom line: I don’t think you can pray away tornados or any other natural events. But do keep an eye peeled for supernatural events – they will happen. But when they do, everyone will know it. You won’t need a bible-thumping old-time-revival preacher to proclaim to the world that the end is near and the signs of the Lord are afoot.
We’ll know it – fer shure.
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“The fact that scientists and storm chasers can now accurately predict many events and that there have been no reports of unexplained phenomenon regarding these things”
Really? First of all, you can hardly call this predict when you closely watch the weather round the clock. Secondly, it is still to a great degree a mystery how they form.
There are two extremes. Religious people may to easily call something supernatural while scientists think when they can point to a “natural” explanation they can keep God out of the equation.
So, when the last judgments will come upon the earth, they will be so blinded and numb spiritually that they cannot see them from God.
It is not enough to see the signs. If you are not His then you may be just wiped away by them.

Irregardless of the frequency of tornadoes, and opinions of scientists, even one isolated tornado can be an act of judgment.

God does not have to wait until the official judgment day to make known his opinion of current events or man’s behavior.

Of course, Satan can also be behind “natural” events, but God is still in control.

The one predictable thing about tornadoes is that they are unpredictable. I have seen a tornado hit one house, and leave another standing, and they are beside each other. And it could not be predicted which one would get the hit.

In my case above, I feel the tornado was “prayed away.”

Like I explained in the post, the radar screen had it coming straight for my street.

It was a only mile away, and advancing at 50 miles per hour. I prayed, and it took a sudden, unpredictable turn to the north of me, and missed us.

I give God the glory for this, because I had no way of doing this myself.

Jesus said to ask, and we would receive, so that is what I did, and it worked. And the next time I see one coming, I will pray again.

Forgive me James, but your statement reminds me of the story about the man sitting on the roof of his house during a flood.

This man prayed and asked G-d to rescue him from the rising waters. Soon after he prayed, His neighbor came by with a boat and said “neighbor, jump in, I am here to rescue you” and the man said “no thanks, G-d will rescue me”. Then G-d sent the man a tree log with many limbs on it so that he could take hold and be rescued. The man chose to ignore it, believing with all his heart G-d was going to rescue him. Then, a helicopter flew over and lowered a hoist and the paramedic came down to help the man onto the hoist and said “hey sir, we are here to rescue you” and the man said ” no thanks, I am waiting on G-d to come and rescue me”. The paramedic thought this was odd but couldn’t force the man to leave so they left.

The waters continued to rise and swept the man away within its tide; the man drowned and went to heaven. When in heaven, the man asked G-d why he never came to rescue him. G-d said, “I sent you a boat, a tree log and then a helicopter….3 times I tried to save you….why is it you never recognized who I AM?”

When I superimposed the map of frequency of tornadoes in the US on the map of the distribution of Bible belt worship places, to my untutored eye there seemed to be a clear relationship. If we assume that God is talking through nature, is he suggesting he doesnt approve?

There is worship outside of the bible belt. In fact, most of the US has tornadoes, but it is not indicating that worship itself is being condemned.

While I admit America, as well as every other country, has been turning away from God, tornadoes were occurring before this ever happened.

Tornadoes can reflect God’s judgment however. And God also promised that he would begin his judgment with the house of God before he judged the heathen.

So if we are seeing an increase in frequency in tornadoes in areas or countries where worship is taking place, then it is a signal to believers to re-evaluate their relationship with God, and a warning to others that their judgment will be much worse.

OK, I think I can see what you are saying. When God wrecks the believers house, possibly killing or injuring the believer and his family members, the non believer whose house was left intact and whose family were left untouched will reevaluate his or her idea of God and see what God can do to those who become believers. Oh really. Well goodness gracious. That is an interesting theology!
(I suspect you wouldnt like my progressive Christianity site!)

during the time of these tornados that marianne is talking about (I live in Georgia)…I woke up to sirens around 2:30am. This is very unusual, I have lived her all my life and never heard a siren after midnight. So I knew something was wrong.

I got up to see what was going on-turned on the news and they said we had 15 minutes to take shelter. Well, OF COURSE I had to go check it out….I went outside to see what all the fuss was about and saw the heavy rains and lightning…then I heard what sounded like a train in the far distance….I thought that this was odd…..LOL, So, OK…who is calling me stupid? LOL

Anyway, so I remembered that a train sound is not good when there is a tornado warning and your meteorologist is telling you to prepare to take cover. ha!

So, I prayed and heard the words “pass over”…I thought, yeah, passover is coming and then I heard PASS OVER…..aha! so then I prayed and asked G-d to PASS OVER us as He did for the Israelites…….rain started to taper off and then I went back inside and heard the meteorologist say something like “well that was strange, it is no longer there” LOL….then he said it was moving northeast of us….I prayed for them and went back to bed 🙂

Now I am thinking about this in that the HS told me what words to pray!! There must be something to this in that I had to SAY those words for some reason…..just a thought.

Has this ever happened to you Brenda? Marianne? Leatherneck? Dru? afraid to ask James…LOL 🙂 Love you James! 🙂

Honey, it’s just real simple…..you heard the Holy Ghost, did what He said for you to do, and everything was alright. It’s called “walking in the spirit”. You did good. Don’t pick it to pieces……..You are Loved !!!!

i HATE TO TELL YOU THIS MAINLY BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO CREATE ATTACKS AND CONFLICT BETWEEN US BUT I SEE THAT I MUST ONCE MORE INSIST .RETURN TO THE MOTHER CHURCH THE ONE WITH PETER CHAIR ,FOR ALL THE LOVE THAT YOU HAVE FOR THE LORD. It is not sufficient without the Sacraments. Sorry but the truth hurts and my love for you is greater than my pride been hurt.

God sent His son Jesus-Christ to save us , His blood was the only way for us to be saved : NO CHURCH, NO priest, no sacrament, no “good work” will do it . SALVATION is a free gift, but we must realize we are sinner and repent for what we did :romain 4 v 7 and 8 and5-8 “God prouve his love to us by sending his son Jesus-Christ to die for us when we wers sinner !

For such an early time in spring this last weather system was over the top. Jesus said there would be earthquakes, diseases, famines, etc…

There are wild fires in west Texas not seen for 100 years. This is just another example of the crazy weather America has been having for the last 15 years. Every time we support terrorists against Israel, or making Israel give up land for peace(what a joke)we get more storms.

This past winter was full blown crazy. The first Pres. Bush got his house in the Northeast destroyed after he, and other world leaders spoke on TV about what Israel was going to do for peace.

It goes on, and on. I do think it is all about the Sun. Solar flares causing unusual weather, and earthquakes. I do think G-d is in charge of his creation, and it is going hand in hand with the distress of nations.

Look at all the moon god worshipers in the Middle East calling for the Muslim Brotherhood to take over. DaOne is supporting them too.

We should peg G-d for forgiveness, because we do not know if we will be given another day. Plus, stay out of trailer homes. Those do not help in bad weather.

Perhaps you are correct. Satan is out to kill, steal and destroy. Those that ask for protection should receive it. Jesus said we do not have sometimes because we do not ask. So when trouble comes, we should always ask for help.

The only death that is of concern is spiritual death. We are not to fear physical death, IF, we are truly in Christ. To die is gain. The judgments of God may indeed include natural events but make no mistake the whirlwinds and tempests in the Scriptures refer to the wrath and anger of God, that is referring to the powers of darkness that come to kill, steal and destroy our souls. It is righteoues judgment for sin and the defilement of God’s temples and we are the temples of the Lord. He is spirit and He lives in His people. The four winds of heaven are these very powers. Jesus comes to gather the elect FROM the Four Winds, meaning, He protects us, wraps us in His bosom and nothing by any means shall harm us.

Yes. God’s judgment begins at His House and the people that call himelf by His Name. The Lord said we would understand this perfectly in the last days. The destruction is a spiritual destruction, he leaves the houses desolate.

Jeremiah 23:19-20 Behold, the storm of the LORD has gone forth in wrath, even a whirling tempest; it will swirl down on the head of the wicked. ”The anger of the LORD will not turn back until He has performed and carried out the purposes of His heart; In the last days you will clearly understand it

I pray more people begin to understand this and flee from Babylon so that will not be partakers of the vials or wrath already being poured out in the spiritual. The false words in the fallen church Babylon (the winds of doctrines) reap the whirlwind. There is no crop, there is a spiritual famine that is one result of these whirling winds.

Hosea 8:7 For they sow the wind And they reap the whirlwind. The standing grain has no heads; It yields no grain. Should it yield, strangers would swallow it up.

That is persecution in Mat 10:19 aka tribulation. Tribulation is for Christians, it is how we are proven worthy be coming thru the furnance of afflition, the fiery trials. ALL CHRISTIANS MUST COME THRU TRIBULATION ACTS 14:22. I have been scourged in synagogues (churches) and rejected of men as many others have also. This is happening right now and yes it is going to get a lot worse. Wrath on the other hand is for those that do not walk in covenant with the Lord. We can see that all the way thru the book. Our very jealous God, who even calls Himself that, doesn’t like to share our hearts with anyone, especially the false gods of this world, the other jssuses Paul spoke about. God gets angry and ends spiritual darkness (GOD SENT DELUSION) as His righteous judgments. It is judgment for His Termples that have been defiled. Clearly there are things in the natural that give us clues such as wars, love that has waxed cold, etc The comment field is a hard place to discuss this so if so led you can see some videos I have done on my site that show in Scirpture the foretelling of these things.

Not sure if you were talking to me Rosa, but I am not laughiing. It is horror to see the destruction happening before our every eyes but the people ARE NOT EVEN AWARE. That is exactly the way Jesus said it would be.

REV 3 Because you say, ‘I am rich, have become wealthy, and have need of nothing’—and DO NOT KNOW that you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked— I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined in the fire, that you may be rich; and white garments, that you may be clothed, that the shame of your nakedness may not be revealed; and anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see. As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten. Therefore be zealous and repent.

People better get in the ARK that is Christ and come to understand the great falling away that has already happened. If you see the spiritual fulfillment of these signs, there is nothing left but the last trump, it is all fulfilled and while people want to keep looking in the flesh and watching the news to discern these things, they have happened in the spiritual. Jesus comes as a thief and suddenly destuction will come. We are not going to be able to watch the news and then figure it out. That’s flesh. As far as me, I boast in nothing except that I know the Lord and if telling the people the truth brings persecution and mocking, then so be it. I count it all as joy.

If you don’t think the things spoken thru the Prophets apply to us today, and scoff and mock at such suggestion, you might want to go reread ACTS Chapter 13, epecially around verses 40-41

“nothing left but the last trump” The trumps are warnings that judgement is at hand, and to get ready. Then, the bowls are poured out on the unrepented world.

This does not sound like it is just spiritual to me Pete. How can you write all these things are spiritual, and not physical? The Bible states clearly humans in the flesh who worship the beast will be tormemted.

Carnal doctrines have led men to fear things in the world and but we are only to fear the Lord who is in control of everything and is the one that can throw us into the lake of fire. That is who Jesus said to fear. The torment in the Scriptures, the judgment against His people, is in the spiritual. That is how God destroys the fallen church from the inside. We don’t fkee physically to escape death, we flee spiritually to escape spiritual death. That is waht we are to fear, falling asway into apostasy which is exactly what the lessons in the OT are about that were given to us said Paul in 1 COR 10 as well as Peter.

1 COR 10:11-12 Now all these things happened to them as examples, and they were written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the ages have come. Therefore let him who thinks he stands take heed lest he fall (away).

The wrath is on the inside. Babylon says to herself — Rev 18:7 for she says in her heart, I SIT as A QUEEN AND I AM NOT A WIDOW, and will never see mourning

The parable of the unforgivig debtor (MAT 18) is about the tormentors being turned loose on the one that does not forgive in their heart. Our hearts are the land. We possess the land when our hearts are pure before GOd. The spiritual earthquakes are internal torment and mourning. Yet the people claim peace and safety (1 Thess 5:3, Jere 5:12, ISA 13:6, ISA 47:8, etc) all the while they are being torned down. We are the living stones that make of the temple (body of Christ) and those stones will be thrown down. Jesus words had dual fulfillment in MAT 24. In Hebrews 12, Malchi is quoted that God promised that HE would once more shake the nations so that everything that cannot be shaken will remain. If we are not on the ROCK of JESUS, we will be shaken off the little rocks (false jesuses). My last post/video is on the bowls of wrath and you don’t have to agree with me, that is okay, I am just trying to wake people up and share the light I have been shown. Why don’t you watch the video, I believe it will show you some things.

DEAREST ABBA HEAVENLY FATHER GOD in YESHUA HA MASHIACH’S NAME i pray that you would be with and comfort all the families that suffered loss of their loved ones lives and their homes . i also ask that you would do the same for Japan and her people. I thank you for the many lives that were spared . Forgive our Nation FATHER GOD when , where and how we have failed you . Deliver our Nation from all evil and direct our Nation’s path back to You and Your ways . Amen . Thank you Abba HEAVENLY FATHER GOD for hearing my prayer. i believe you will answer every word. To You be all glory , honor and praise forever and ever . Amen.

“The Bible states clearly humans in the flesh who worship the beast will be tormemted.”

Actually humans in the flesh who worship the flesh will be tormented. No-one physically survives the tribulation. And no-one is judged by Christ until the last day, i.e. his return. These catasropes are not judgements of anyone, they are just the collapse of the physical world. Why are you so concerned at this?

Well…Well…Well! Perhaps, for the first time, all the Christians here on this “thread”(? is that what it’s called?), after all is said and done, “agree!” At least on the “basic” level, we all believe in God and Jesus Christ! Isn’t that the most important issue! Forget the “semantics” and individual “interpretation” of the various Scriptures, let’s move forward to “Unite” all Christians, ALL Peoples, under One God! Instead of “picking” on what makes us “different”, let’s build this world on what we in “common!” There are many “Christians” in this world, but Satan and attempted to “divide and conquer.” How, you may ask? Let me finish with this, “I follow in the teachings of Jesus Christ!” Who do you follow? The teachings of Jesus Christ with the Scriptures as a study guide? – OR – The teachings of the “ROMAN (emphasis on ROMAN) Catholic Church” and/or some “other” man-inspired “RELIGION” ???

Jesus said, “DO NOT BE DECEIVED…”, for in the, “End Times”, even the most astute, intellectually-wise, etc., SHALL BE DECEIVED!

I also has a tornado coming right toward our house the other day with the tornado outbreak. We were in the hook echo of the storm.. Storms have always scared me since I was little… They are just frightening! So when this approached us we were all hunkered down in our basement under a desk. I prayed continually until the storm passed.. Everything happened that would happen in a tornado storm.. It got dark as night outside and then started hailing. Then silence and I heard another awful noise, but as I was praying I realized it was hail again.. And then it was over.. I thanked God for His mercy by keeping my family safe that day.. It was very scary…
I have always felt down deep they are a judgment also.. I mean do we really think we are less of sinners than the Israelites were in the OT? God was always judging them for turning away from Him.. So why would it be any different for us? Wasnt the OT written down so we would know who God is and for our salvation? Scripture says, “If judgment begins with the house of God, how much worse will it be for the lost.” God judgments are true and right.. Whether it is for the one who has gone astray or the wicked sinner.. He knows best..
God judges us so that we will not perish along with the rest of the evil world when His final wrath is revealed, scripture says this.. So He does it because He loves us.. We are so easily prone to sin.. The sin of being independent of God as Adam did.. Until we realize how prone we are to that, it will be hard to discern these things and we will see it only from our human perspective, not Gods..
I just pray more people repent when these misfortunes come, instead of hardening their heart towards God even more, by boasting of their independence in overcoming… That is just how I see it…

Well…Well…Well! Perhaps, for the first time, all the Christians here on this “thread”(? is that what it’s called?), after all is said and done, “agree!” At least on the “basic” level, we all believe in God and Jesus Christ! Isn’t that the most important issue! Forget the “semantics” and individual “interpretation”

You are missing the point .The problem here is not with how or how much we love God; but with those that are playing God .Who give the government of the United States the right to control our world weather? and who given them the right to cause earth quakes ,floods hurricanes, and so .Why are they killing innocent people like in Japan Haiti, and many other countries .Tell me if you believe that this can be justified when coming in the presence of God .I have witness many people looking for the Harlot of the bible .Well my friend ! look no further .You live in it ! there you have it!I do not want to judge everyone in the same scale for I know deep in my heart that America has a lot of good and kind people but those are the minorities for the rich think only of themselves and will go at any extreme to get it regardless of loss of human life .If you really want to prove that you care about other people in the world :demand that the HAARP be demolish and every other weapon of mass destruction .For it will not just be the others around world who will die unmerciful but all of you as well.

Like you said, “…we are the minorities…” And I wholeheartedly, agree that the HAARP and other such weapons be demolished, or at least used for the “good of mankind”. But then, how do “we”, the minority, have any kind of “say”??? There are 545 politicians that make ALL the laws, rules, regulations, and taxes, for the more than 300,000,000 people of the United States! So you see, it is easy for that 545 to agree on something that will “appease” the masses! But by NO means is it “fair” representation…not any more!!!

HI Lindsey,
FYI on the household of God being judged.. I know I mentioned that in my post and wanted to back up with reference.
Also, the bible says all throughout that God tests and judges the hearts and thoughts of men.. And believe me, I have experienced the testing of my faith in the last years.. Just as God tested Job, so He tests His children for His names sake and for their character of knowing it. Sometimes it is referred to as discipline as Hebrews says or various trails and sufferings that come to test our faith, to purify us and make us holy.. And we have to remember we do “share in the sufferings of Christ.”
Peters letter in the NT give much light on this subject.

12Dear friends, do not be surprised at the painful trial you are suffering, as though something strange were happening to you. 13But rejoice that you participate in the sufferings of Christ, so that you may be overjoyed when his glory is revealed. 14If you are insulted because of the name of Christ, you are blessed, for the Spirit of glory and of God rests on you. 15If you suffer, it should not be as a murderer or thief or any other kind of criminal, or even as a meddler. 16However, if you suffer as a Christian, do not be ashamed, but praise God that you bear that name. 17For it is time for judgment to begin with the family of God; and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for those who do not obey the gospel of God? 18And,

“If it is hard for the righteous to be saved,

what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?”a

19So then, those who suffer according to God’s will should commit themselves to their faithful Creator and continue to do good.

In response to Bob Wise
I truly understand your situation , and agree that you believe that you are powerless but for the sake of the human race something has got to be done .If you cannot change their mind them my friend ,I suggest that you or anyone with courage who gives a dam about the world we live in, get a few sticks of dynamite and blow the HAARP into Hell .For I am sure that this is ok with God to do so..It is either them or us!

I mentioned something of that nature to someone else before also, and although I agree with you on the one hand, Jesus would NOT! I “used” to believe, that with enough money, “…you could change the world…”. But, I discovered something along the way…the teachings of Jesus Christ! And for all of us who believe in Jesus and the Scriptures, I have to remember, that it says, “…all these things must come to Pass…before His return…”. Of course this is “paraphrased” and forgive me for not knowing the Scripture reference. With this said, however, it should also be noted that “we”, as Christians, should help “save” (perhaps that not the correct term) those that have been “blinded” by Satan!

Marianne
It is not like you to be defending America when it comes to murder of little children and other innocent people .the question is not who is involved but rather what are we going to do about it.I have only one daughter and she does not have children yet .I would like my daughter to live long enough so that when she is ready she may have some but if those idiots are going to destroy the world .How then will i have any grand children .I have been reading by the site member response like .Oh we are just few .Well let me tell you that few good and strong willing man are better than millions .If you want to stop them .you can .You are a tax payer and have the right to fight them! .it is your life so fight!

Americans do not live in a democracy or free republic anymore. WE are under a socialist dictatorship which does what it wants, and ignores the will of the people.

Like I said, those in office were not elected but chosen by those on the global level. Who we voted for did not matter.

Americans do not kill children, unless you are talking about abortion, and THAT law was put in place AGAINST the will of the people. Like I said, the laws do not reflect how we vote. And your country has abortion also.

If it were not for America, you in your country would be under a Nazi regime and have worse problems than we do.

In the first place Portugal the country of my birth has never ever asked or allowed you to put your nose into our affairs .Our country might be small today but it was not to long ago that like England it commanded the seas side by side .It has colonize 3/4 of the world unlike the Americans we do not make money by selling weapons, and may I remind you that it was your country who sold the weapons to our colonies in order to destroy us .I have kept quiet for a long time but I think that it is about time You know thee truth .As far as where I live which is Canada and I have lived here for the past 40 years. And it is the country I consider my own because it is where I practically grew up, study and work and raised my family .We do not need nor do we allow you to put your nose into our affairs .Contrary to what you think Canada is a peaceful country a loving and caring nation and if I must say a much richer country than America .So if you want to trow stones be very careful because they may just struck you in the face.You mention that you give to the poor. You give 2 after you have stolen 10 from them .You make your wealth on other peoples misery .How can you boost about something so horrible .Further the whole world hates America .I say that at this point in time :You people are afraid of your own shadows .Am i not right? as a child of god I disgusts me to have to resort to show you how the rest of the world see you, but lately Marianne you are becoming very defenseless and aggressive for my taste.
Have a nice day.

I have to agree with Rosa on this. America around the world is perceived as evil. I think it is time that we in this country remove all military, humanitarian, and economic aid from the rest of the world and let them be. let them fight their own wars, and grow their own food, and pay for their own armies to defend themselves, and then they will realize that they can’t do it without our assistance. Then we will “help them again. Perhaps this will take care of our debt problems in this country, and make some “real” friends around the world.
Hey! anybody out there running nfor president, this would be a good platform to run on. It would kill two birds with one stone!

Maybe we should start “The prodical PAC” and push for this legislation. Hey Rosa how’s your chinese and Russian language going? In the case of Portugal, how is your arabic? This may happen anyway, if the U.S. economy collapses, so you people who have been living off of our aid better start looking for another Gig.

Sorry Rosa, I am just having a conversation with myself here. I think it is time for Canada to raise its own army and defense forces, and then your government will see that there is no money left for being wealthy. Or even better, Canada can be the next superpower, and we here in the U.S. can come asking you for military and economic aid. You ready for that one?

You are correct Rosa and even the bible states that Moab will be despised. The world as had enough of the US economic hitmen and their war mongers.

No Marianne the Americans did not win the war, the war was practically by the time the US got involved. The USA came in for the glory after all the hard work they had been done.

However, nobody will forget what the USA did to JAPAN. We forgive but do not forget.

Just because a person tells you how the world feels about the USA, doesn’t mean that they have any hate within them. Rosa was telling you how the world feels about the USA. However, due to few Americans traveling outside of their comfort zones, few see themselves as the world sees them.

Wake up and smell the coffee time.

Isaiah 16 mentions the destruction of your agriculture probably due to GM crops and a lot more besides.

God gave me a vision of you all the other day and you were all dressed in black watching a screen, not moving, not doing anything, just sitting waiting for something to happen. Like being in a cinema, it reminded me of Plato’s Cave.

What is the meaning of your vision?
We the people of America cannot do anything, it really is no longer a free country. They just want us to still believe it is.. They do what they want.. We vote and still no win. You people shouldnt hate Americans, although some are caught up in the fantasy of the vision of America. But judging us all in the same is just not right.. And if you truly follow Christ you know this… But as I see it Canadians and many others around the world are no different. Everyone is looking out for themselves to get what they want, while they condemn others for not doing what “they think” they should.. Read your history.. History repeats itself. Persia was hated, Rome was hated and so on. The superpowers are always hated, but isnt it wrong to hate the people? Come out of the delusion that thinking we can actually do something? Our kingdom is not suppose to be of this world… If it was, Jesus would not have let them kill him.. In the end, God will win by His power not ours…. We should defend the innocent, protect the good, spread the gospel, but to fight the power of Rome (America) is not in our power, but Gods.. Your kind of thinking is why Judas fate was what it was..

God is sovereign over all authorities, good and evil.. Few are good.. All superpowers throughout history have been in the hands of God.. He allows them to govern the world to keep control of the people.. Sometimes to judge the nations through them.. Right now it is Americas time of superpower. Yes, they do evil, but God is still in control… And when faced with our allegiance to God rather than man, we are to keep faith and sacrifice.
I mean, read your history and the scriptures.. It is no surprise, and the political fate of the world is predicted BY GOD “TO HAPPEN” we cant stop it….. So hating like this is the temptation of evil that is knocking on your door.. This is how the world has always went….
I mean are we missing something here?

Wihtout the aid of the United States?Please inform yourself .Portugal is a member of the European Union ever since 1984 .How is it then that we need your aid? In the first place Portugal around the world is one of most strong in agriculture .i e .We would be able to sustain ourselves had it not been for the contract that it was signed by the union which forces us not to cultivate.And so we cannot allowing Spain and other Countries around us to do the agriculture work and we sit and watch .Before that we had major colonies such as Angola , Mozambique ,Guinea , San Tome and Prince ,Macau ,Timor Cabo Verde ,Acores and Madeira 2 of those islands are still our but the rest because of your envious and greed .you mad sure that we lose it all by supplying the indigenous people with armaments.So did you ever help Portugal .No you did not! on the contrary you distroyd us .Please make sure you search well about who we really are before you put us in a third world place .We are a strong and proud people and bow not to no nation or man .We bow only to the Lord our God and will forever maintain the Catholic faith as predicted by our Holy mother the Mother of Jesus Christ.(PORTUGAL ALTHOUGH FOUGHT, BUT NEVER OVERCOME).So there you have it .We may be small in size but many millions spread all over the world .Our blood is strong and unbrakable .

What arms .What do we need armaments for? We are not at war with anyone except that our government got sucked in by yours to fight in Afganistan and other places that you yourselves are involved in .History tell us that you do not want to mess with the Canadian people .We have won a battle against you in the past and will defeat you again if needed be .Do not worry about us we do well without you .Our vision of peace is not you vision .We rather give love ,money and other aids to the world instead of bullets .
And please before pointing the finger to other nations please examine your own nation .Maybe you will come to realize that the reason you are going down is because of your wrong doing and not the wrong doing of other nations .God has given you wealth which by the way: You did not share with others as you should by God’s commandment to you Therefore .You are ripping what you have sown .sorry friend but someone has to ell you the truth .No hard feelings Hu? Perhaps you should all go in your knees and beg Mercy from the Lord for the sins of your country and who knows you might even be spared .Our God is knows for His kindness and compassion towards those who seek Him with a contrite heart .

My my, aren’t we touchy. I actually agreed with you on something and come back like this. I am just saying it is time for America to let the children go and live their own lives, Much like the parents have to let the teen ager go and live their own lives, and make their own mistakes, and grow up. I am not doubting Canada’s ability to do that. The problem is is that america, being the rich parent has spoiled these children(nations) in its wealth, and now should no longer do so. Then perhaps they will learn to appreciate what we have done for them. I am not saying that the US is perfect, and has not made mistakes. but for the most part it has been a beacon of hope to humanity. Now that we are struggling, you think you know better, but in the end your just pawns, as are we.

Ya know, I really hope our government reads comments like yours then I hope they will reconsider the next time they want to put us IN DEBT to help other nations!! How ungrateful Rosa….this just really gets me on how America has been the nation that ALL nations run to when they need help and then when we are in so much debt BECAUSE of that HELP then we are criticized! Unbelievable! Perhaps WE SHOULD CLOSE THE BORDERS and start helping AMERICANS and ISRAEL and leave the rest to WATCH and SEE HOW ITS DONE! ha!

Marianne . Marianne ! I do not hate America nor do I hate Americans on the contrary every day at 3 P.M. I pray for you and your Nation, but I do however hate the fact that you are always washing other nations face with the fact that if had it not been for you the world would be under dictatorship . even though that might be true. But then again is not the strong man supposed to help the weak one? If God in His Mercy has made you powerful .It was not just for your own welfare but for the welfare of the less fortunate .By the way .The last dictator of Portugal was Salazar and America did not removed him from power God did .So where was America when the poor in Portugal needed them most .Know your facts before accusing anyone of taken advantage of your country. Perhaps you should consider that God might have chosen me to speak to you because I am not afraid of letting you know what God’s will is.
Much love
Rosa

I am not trying to “wash the face” of other nations. I am just defending America when it sounds like hate speech is against it, and no one is grateful for the help we give. Any time we give help we suffer ourselves. Money losses, labor, loss of lives, etc. I know there are evil people in every government, but honest good men like my father risked his life defending other nations, and helping the poor people there. i do not want this effort criticized as greedy and evil.

O hi Dru
for once I have to agree with both you and Marianne .You should stop helping others, special when it comes to removing someone from power .unless the people ask for your help. please stay out of their business .you know as well as i do that the Muslim world hate the west not only for their freedom but also for our Christian beliefs ,and most of this people are very ungrateful .they will not see your help as a good thing but as an intrude in their way of life .Perhaps you should at this point in time most special because you yourselves are facing such an uncertain future, stop helping others and look after your own people. I believe and know that there are many who at present have no money, no homes, no jobs, no love and no future an that is where the United states should be spending there energy at present.Let the other nations take care of their own problems for awhile ,give yourselves a rest.
And may God bless you for whatever good and sacrifices you have done and made to help the world .I speak for everyone
Thank you
Much love Rosa

You again .Want to start a war with me . Close your borders .A very good idea ! I have been to your country a few times like the rest of Canadians only to spend money in those stupid bars and on other stupid places that you have to offer .and so that you know if it be not for the Canadians that go across to to the Washington States ,Chicago and other parts in the U.S.A.You people would starve to death ,because it is a stupid Canadians who foolishly enough go across and give you there money ,When they should travel somewhere else in the planet .now tell me other than Hollywood where all the filthy movies are created and not forgetting your gambling town( LasVegas ) What do u have to offer us that other countries do not. and may I remind you that most of the United states is no longer an English Nation but it is a mixture of Emigrants that have gone there from all over the world and helped you become the powerful nation that you really are.Perhaps even you are a Russian or any other kind of blood mixture who has ported once upon a time in the promising land of America .Stop you bullying!

You are the only bully on here. You are the one who insults, threatens, criticizes, mocks, challenges and is downright rude! And then when you get a response, you pretend that you are the one being attacked. I have been reading your posts for over a year and I see you for who and what you are.

Marianne sees you for who she wants you to be! Marianne has much patience with you; I do not.

Further, Leatherneck and Dru have tried numerous times to help you see the truth but you won’t have any of it. The truth has been given to you many MANY times through the scriptures and you refuse to accept G-d Words and choose the words of men, Mary, “angels” and mystics!

If this is what you want to do then G-d help you-literally. But do NOT and I repeat this, do NOT come on here and continue to mock our G-d-the G-d of ISRAEL, His Words, HIS TRUTH, HIS children and HIS NATION.

I have had enough of it. Enough of YOUR attacks, your insults and “poor me”.

If you choose catholicism, the pope, the saints, Mary, bleeding statues and mystics over G-d then go to a catholic site. This site is for those who fear and LOVE G-d and His SON-Jesus Christ/Yeshua and who believe in the inerrant word of G-d. This site is for those who either know the truth or earnestly want to find it. This site follows the words of Jesus Christ, the King of Kings and L-rd of lords and recognize and obey Him when He tells us that HE is the ONLY WAY, THE TRUTH and THE LIFE and that NO ONE comes to the FATHER except through HIM!

Once again Rosa I agree with you. We are a nation of immigrants, and I may have some russian blood in me, being that I am a first generation American of Finnish descent. This country was built by people who were rejected and despised by their home countries. These people came to this country, because they had no chance of making anything of themselves in Europe, or wherever they came from. My family actually immigrated to Canada before coming to the US. They found more opportunity here. Did they get rich here, by no means, but they did get a chance to build something for themselves which was not taken away by over taxation and ruling elites. This country was built on the backs of these sorts of people, many of whom came here with next to nothing, except a little hope, and faith in God. Now we have leaders that think that the European way is better. HA! I laugh at them. and I also cry that my children may have the opportunity to build something for themselves, and not be the serf of some overlord.
So yes Rosa we are a land of immigrants, and we have taken the refuse of the world and built a superpower out of it. Your huddled masses have become a great nation, Much like the Israelites wandering in the wilderness. The question now becomes will we repent and turn back to the God that built this nation or will we incur the wrath of God and go into captivity like Israel. This is our nations test. I suppose we will find out soon.

Isaiah 29:6,7
6 Thou shalt be visited of the LORD of hosts with thunder, and with earthquake, and great noise, with storm and tempest, and the flame of devouring fire.
7 And the multitude of all the nations that fight against A’ri-el, even all that fight against her and her munition, and that distress her, shall be as a dream of a night vision.

You dare to quote the scriptures to me and accuse me of being the bully .how dare you. You portray to love god but in reality you love yourself
Stay out of my way . you self writeos selfish women .God is love and does not rebuke or try to change anyone in anyway .If anyone is at fault here is you .You can write as many posts as you like i will not battle you I will not ever answer you .You are not worthy of my trouble.

We cannot enter in without love, that means sometimes enduring cruel things even conversation that shouldn’t be. But Gods children should be meek and filled with love.

I want to say that I find you to be a child of God. You know that the 31st of April will be the anniversary of the Holocaust of the Jews. Six million quiet people went to their death in gas chambers, had soap made of their flesh, lampshades of their skin and such atrocities as should never happen to any.

These are difficult times and for some the greater of difficulty has past as they have gone onto the time of waiting. The Marriage Supper is the most important thing.

One man who was born in one of the camps told his story last night on INSP a Christian Cable station. He and his Mother were tortured for two years after his birth and then the war was ending. The Nazis’ couldn’t kill the remainder of the Jews fast enough. The US Military was only kilometers away, so they loaded them on trains.

They send them to Russia; Russia was gathering them to put them in another sort of camp. The Mother of this baby boy gave her baby to a polish woman when she saw what they were doing. She told her she would be back for her baby. It took her years to get back into Europe and to put together a strategy.

The polish woman was caught with Jewish baby. So they took him away and put him in an orphanage. They made him and the other children who were Jews to wear the Star of David every day.

The mother after many years had made her way into Europe married a black soldier and they were persecuted for it. But the Red Cross agreed to look for the baby.

At this time he was 15 and had been raped at the age of 5 with a little girl. He was much more broken about the little girl when he told the story than for himself. He told the savage story of these 5 evil men who were police. Because they were Jews they had to wear the Star of David. The truth being known, it was more then likely the only remembered comfort of their prior lives.

The Mother never found her baby, because Russia was scared to death when the Red Cross started to look for him. They beat him brutally over and over again. A family of faith some how got him out of Russia and took him to Florida. He said that God came and visited him one night after arriving. He told him he was the savior and that he wanted to be his savior.

The young man being angry said he didn’t want him as his savior. The Lord started showing him all of the bad things that happened to him, putting vision after vision in front of his face. He started with the vision of when they broke his fingers as a baby.

When he realized God had been with him in all of those horrible places, he told the Lord he wanted him as his savior. Then he asks him if he could find his family.

The next day the boys’ sister called him on the phone. He said it wasn’t even 24 hours and the call came. God is never late he is always on time. His Mother before leaving Europe had found his sister. She and her Mother moved to Kansas with the Mothers’ new Husband. There he said the sister told him how his Mother suffered more from wicked people who couldn’t deal with a white woman married to a black man. He wanted to speak to his Mother but to his sorrow she had died not long before.

He is a born again Christian. That night that Jesus appeared to him he told him he couldn’t save him and be his savior unless he forgave everyone who had hurt him. He told him that included all of those who had done evil to him, the rapes, the beatings, the killing of his family, the terrors they caused his eyes to see.

He told God he forgave them. God then took away his pain and he replaced his sorrow with a new life of joy.

We as Christians are going through tribulations in our lives that we don’t understand.
I know I personally started to suffer things I couldn’t explain and they were horrible. Worse I couldn’t see the things that were doing evil unto me, as they were spirits. Do you know demonic spirits look for situations like what happened on the site to bring sorrow and heartache to anyone who is filled with the spirit of God.

I don’t know Rosa so I can’t say what her relationship is with God but I feel I have come to know you from the site. Gods’ children have the comforter in them that leads and guides them into all righteousness but some times a demonic spirit brings something to bring evil. You know how God said the Devil was a murder first, but he said he cometh but the steal, kill and destroy. So let the anger that the devil brought be destroyed by the kind words of a child filled with the Holy Ghost.

Forgive Rosa and I pray that God will have her forgive you for this is required of us if we are to enter in. We should learn from our differences and the word says when we speak, to speak as if we are the Lord. We know he turned away evil with kind words.

Knowing what you shared about your accident, knowing your suffering and that God spared your life. I know we sometimes don’t understand why bad things happen to good people.

But the word says if you are his you will suffer, if the Master suffered what would the enemy do to his. The enemy if he could would tear us apart but we belong to the savior who is of love and kindness, giving peace that surpasses all understanding if we take it. Let us all pray for the wisdom of God that he may use us as tools to be teachers, people filled with the Holy Ghost, behaving Godly, praying for the unlearned which at times includes us and for those who know him not.

The thing we all must remember is what Jesus told this young man who at the time was 15 years plus. He had been brutalized but God still expected him to take the higher road of forgiveness. He now is a man of age able to help the young who have struggles. He is 68 years young and his joy is full because of knowing Christ. To forgive is our responsibility when we are Christian. I will be honest with you I thought that God when someone had brutalized a person that God forgave their anger but no so. When the enemy takes any of us and causes us to say things that are hurtful to others we hurt, they hurt and Jesus hurts. The worse is we can’t enter in the kingdom in such conditions.

You and Rosa both come here to learn and to share your faith. The bible says a kind word turn away wrath. Who wants to suffer wrath. To get the picture of Gods wrath read Revelations; he said he chastise those he loves. Believe me I get it I have been on the other end of being chastised because I was angry with someone who I believed hurt me. I have forgiven them and God is bringing his healing. I pray that my words are healing and delivered on the wings of one of Gods’ Angels.

I hope this story and my frank openness speaks to both of you. I know God wants to bring you the greatest joy this Easter season, as we celebrate his death that he exchanged for our salvation. May he bless you always.

You are so sweet! Your words are true and as I have said before on another post, I am in awe when I see a jewish person choosing to remain silent when something is said that is very hurtful. When I see this, I can’t help but think of Jesus when He went silently to the cross! They reflect Christ without even knowing Him; the irony!

I truly wish I was able to do this! And I have given it my best effort 🙂

I just don’t think that G-d made me this way. I have always felt “something” rise up within me when I see a wrong; when I see someone being wronged and this has been the case since I was old enough to walk or should I say “talk”. ha!

I am not one to “beat around the bush”; I call it like it is, per se. Maybe I should say ” I love you FIRST” before speaking and this would cover the basics. LOL

But with sincerity, I don’t hate Rosa or any catholic or muslim or hindu or mormon etc… I do, however, hate anything that goes against G-d’s words. Truth is a big deal for me and I know the damage it causes. Sure, we can wait until Jesus comes to sort it all out but what if it is too late by then for those who have chosen to believe the lies?

Granted, we can’t force anyone to believe the truth NOR will the Holy Spirit do this. But when I see that the truth is constantly rejected I simply don’t know what to do. I do remember that Jesus told his disciples to wipe the dust from their feet from any place they preached the gospel and it was rejected. So I wonder…..is that what we are supposed to do? Matthew 10:14

Regarding the holocaust, if I had lived during that time I most likely would have been the first one killed because they would have wanted to shut me up!

Regarding Rosa, believe it or not I respect Rosa because I see in her a very strong woman who speaks her mind. We are both strong women and I can see how we can easily “clash” because of this.

There are times that I will often think to myself “if only she would see the truth she would be a great witness for Jesus Christ”! If you want something said or done, send ROSA-she’s got more guts and courage then a marine on a front line (no offense leatherneck) and she’ll blast all the TESTA DURAS in one swoop!

I do hope that Rosa stays (I know she will) but I also hope and pray that she will consider what is in the scriptures and realize that Mary was only the mother of Jesus (blessed among women Luke 1:28) and NOT our redeemer. Jesus is our redeemer and this is exactly what Mary would say to her if she was able to come back and talk to us. In fact, this would be the ONLY thing that Mary would say to us along with “Do whatever he tells you.” John 2:5

To FOCUS on anything or anyone else puts us in danger; in harms way.

So Rosa, I do love you and I do respect you, and although I wouldn’t believe I would be saying this to you a year ago, I say to you now that I would miss you if you were no longer on here.

If I may ask, in love, if you would please consider the words of Jesus over any words of anyone else and know that He is the truth and the truth will set you and all of us free! 🙂

On a final note, yesterday I saw a sign that said “May the Lord have one hand on my shoulder and the other hand over my mouth”…..hmmmm 🙂

We cannot enter in without love, that means sometimes enduring cruel things even conversation that shouldn’t .

Thank you so much for your advise and let me say also that in you, I can see the refection of Christ and this is what I aspect from anyone who says that he /she is a christian.and it is ended in our tribulations that we most need the love of God in our hearts, so as to forgive not once: but 70 times seven
Happy Easter
much love
Rosa

I agree here. The devil is getting hold of people’s emotions and using them to have people hurt each other on the website, and maybe elsewhere. We are the body of Christ, no matter what the doctrinal differences. All those will be settled when Jesus returns.

Lindsey .I said that was not going to answer you again but I fell that I must since you believe that i am somehow controlled by the evil spirit as all the Catholics and anyone who will not agree with you .First remember that Jesus is all about .You can find this is the ten commandments .Do not judge ,second it was not my faith that separate from yours but your that separate from mine .And how can you be so sure that we who have inside of us the body and blood of Christ the redeemer inside of us for we partake in this sacrament at leas once a weak and know for sure that even though the devil is allowed to test us for we are tested day and night as the silver is tested and refined in the furnace. How can you then believe that we who’s Jesus blood and body has been mixed with us are the ones on the road to prediction? Second about your trials and tribulations remember this .(WHO EVER WANTS TO FOLLOW ME MUST PICK UP HIS CROSS AND FOLLOW ME) Do you know what follow Christ really mean .it means no race no color and no sin .In other words you should not allow your spirit to make you sin because if you are following Christ you must not look at peoples faults but how precious that soul is to God and the very high price that He has paid on the cross and before it to redeem it from hell, and second you should remember that apperance sometimes elude us .We cannot judge because only God has that right and when he looks in our hearts and not what he says or does .My point here Lidsey is this .If you believe that you are saved and that everyone else is in the wrong way ,Why are you not praying for us and not accusing us of being the devil? One can always see who is in the right path and who is in the wrong because those who have the Pontocrata in them (HOLY SPIRIT will not accuse , criticize or falsely accuse neither person church or god for the same reason .Remember that every human being holds the Image of God and when falsely accusing defaming degrading or any other injustas done to this person ,it is really God’s Image who is being disfigured accused downgrade and blasphemed against,For God lives in that person. as for your temper perception .You need to master it and put under luck and key so as to not fall into the fires of hell by your sharp tongue.

Honestly Rosa, you are trying to remove a splinter from someone when you have a beam.. I am trying to understand why you keep condemning everyone and then accuse them of being condemners.??
You seem very angry in all your posts, much more than anyone else here.. Is there something else underlying.. Just trying to understand..

It appears that you have misunderstood everything I have said. If you notice, I paid you a compliment.

As christians, we are told to judge the fruits/actions/works. Jesus tells us we will know them by their fruits. This means that you too are to judge everything according to its fruits. How do we do that? We do so by aligning everything with the Word of G-d.

Does G-d tells us not to commit idolatry? Yes, He tells us that in the 2nd out of the 10 commandments. He even gives us examples.

According to what you have said, you and catholics in general don’t SEE the adoration of Mary, the pope and saints as idolatry but as veneration. So when in doubt, go back to the scriptures and see what G-d has to say about it; How does HE SEE IT.

When I listen to the words of someone in what they believe, I compare them to the scriptures-what G-d says. And this how I know what is in their hearts, what they believe and who they truly worship.

Jesus says that “out of the heart the mouth speaks”. Luke 6:45 and Matthew 15:18

So, It isn’t a question of “agreeing with me”; it IS a question as to whether or not it AGREES with JESUS and what HE SAYS.

So, did Jesus tells us to pray to Mary? NO

Did Jesus tell us to pay homage to the pope or any man for that matter? NO

Did Jesus tell us to pray rosaries and hail marys? NO, in fact Jesus tells how to pray here in Matthew 6:9

Did Jesus tell us to pray to any dead person, to pray to dead saints…to listen to dead people…to pray for dead people…to heed any advice from “angels of light” or apparitions? NO, He did not.

Did Jesus say that his mother would intercede on behalf of anyone? NO, He did not.

Did Jesus say that His mother was the “queen” of anything or anyone? NO, He did not. The only thing that is mentioned is that she is blessed among women…going from blessed to queen is a huge leap wouldn’t you agree? Luke 1:28

Did Jesus tell us to pray to a big fat statue call buddha? NO

Did Jesus tell us to call him allah or by any other name? NO NO NO…Acts 4:12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved.” (JESUS/YESHUA/the WORD made FLESH is that NAME)

Did Jesus tell us that we had to take a sacrament each week in order to be saved? NO, He did not. Jesus told us to do this in remembrance of Him each year (once a year) on the Feast of Passover. This doesn’t save us. Jesus saved us ONCE on the CROSS and His sacrifice is final and sufficient. 1 Corinthians 11:24

Did Jesus tell us that the true church was found in the Vatican and called catholicism? No, He did not. Jesus told us that the “church” is built up of those believers who confess that Jesus Christ is the SON OF G-d by means of the HOLY SPIRIT and those believers who are born again-by means of the HOLY SPIRIT.

The “church” was born on the day of Pentecost-the filling of the Holy Spirit. When Jesus was talking to Peter about the church, he was NOT talking to him about a catholic church. The ROCK of which Jesus referred to that He would build His church was indeed HIMSELF. Jesus is THE ROCK of whom this church is built and even the gates of hell cannot prevail against HIM-the Church-the true Church.

Jesus says “21Jesus declared, “Believe me, woman, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. 22You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth.”

25The woman said, “I know that Messiah” (called Christ) “is coming. When he comes, he will explain everything to us.”

26Then Jesus declared, “I who speak to you am he.” John 4:21-26

Did Jesus tell us that there was more than one way to get to Him and to see His Father? NO, absolutely NO; and an emphatic NO. Jesus told us that HE is the ONLY WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE and that NO ONE goes to the Father without going through HIM. John 14:6

So yes, as children of G-d we are to ask these questions and give correction to those who don’t know the truth; who are going against what Jesus told us to do. This is done in love because if we didn’t love we wouldn’t bother correcting.

Again, it has nothing to do with what I say-it is all about what Jesus says. As His child, I point to His words. If the person feels that they are being judged then perhaps this is the conviction of the Holy Spirit that comes through the scriptures as they were written and inspired by Him-G-d’s Holy Spirit to bear witness to Jesus Christ. G-d’s Spirit lives within me and believe me when I say that HE has no problem correcting me as well. 🙂

Lindsy
I hate to tell you that but since you continue to see the speck on my eye and ignore the beam on yours .I have a suggestion .Stay out of the catholic faith .you are closed minded and I am not going to argue with someone like you .You have no idea whom I am .But let me tell you a little about myself .I am so good that even the Presidents of the United States have for over 5 years listen to what I have to say .So stay the *** out of my business compreende?

You are out of line. Lyndsey was using scripture to explain her point in an academic way. You need to keep your comments academic as well, and not negative, like this comment. You are the one being closed minded now. And you are no one special before God. Only Jesus is special, which is why we need ALL him to intercede for us before the Father. Being important to Obama is nothing to be proud of. And please do not curse on my site.

Well, now we know “why” the country is in the shape its in!
…jus’ kiddin’

Once again I will point out, that “IF”, we all simply followed the teachings of Jesus Christ and the Scriptures, rather than “man-made” religions…ALL of this, “ignorance”, would be a thing of the past!

Study your history, please! The “Roman Empire” is alive and well! Oh, that’s right…you all know it as the, “Roman Catholic Church!” It’s capitol, “Vatican City”…home to the largest “money-launderers” in the history of man!

never mind, our nation has already been “brain-washed”, and accepts the rising “costs” and limitations of “freedom” as being “normal!”…so NO MATTER WHAT I WRITE, OR CAN “PROVE” TO YOU…YOU WILL GO ON WITH YOUR DAY, ACCEPTING EVERYTHING THAT IS WRONG AS “NORMAL!” why? ‘cuz that’s what you do!!!

Her with love is a personalized post to some issues I think you will want to look at, obviously if we love the Lord we want to know the truth for who wants to stumble because of lies.

Well this site topic is Tornadoes as Judgment! Therefore let us not have the wrath of God for judgment regarding things of Faith.

So odd today as I looked to insure my complete understanding about end of time and the
Book of Revelations written by John. I prayed to God that he would give me full understanding and help to speak with the voice of Jesus regarding the things to come.

I would like to say the devil goes to twist people’s feet with anger. The word says he cometh but to steal, kill and destroy. More then that God added that he was a murder first.

The greatest concern for any true believer is to speak with someone regarding the word of God and to leave a person believing a lie. As we all know the blood of that person could be on our hands.

So I ask Marianne to forgive me for the amount of space this input takes up. But I know she is like everyone else we desire the truth and sincere milk and meat of the word. One can believe a lie and be damned and we none want that, so here it goes.

All great despots surround themselves with some truth. Constantine took religion and politics mixing them for his purpose of controlling the people. He therefore professed to Christianity and took the Roman Catholic faith and added Paganism to it and made it a part of the Roman Empire. This is the reason the Pope is consulted on changes of law; he reminded the USA of that fact a few decades back.

Constantine changed the water Baptism from Jesus Christ name to Father, Son and Holy Ghost. He took the stone pagan idols of his child hood and put the names of the servants of God that died on these statues and changed all the fast and feast days of the gods in the Calendar to Saints’ Days.

Constantine’s advisors and he decided that the pagan army and people would need their idols, so the old statue of Jupiter was turned to represent St. Peter, Diana became the Virgin Mary, Venus became Mary Magdalene, and Minerva who was known for being so handy with her needle, was metamorphosed into Saint Dorcas, the patroness of sewing societies. They said it would make it easier for the pagans to join.

Thus Christianity, which is suppose to be purely spiritual, and according to the word of God, is not to be tolerable of idolatry. We are to have no intermediaries between God and us, except Jesus Christ who is God. To do and accept other wise is to defile the temple of God, as we are the temple(s) of God. Constantine was a crafty politician who stupefied men and mankind for the purpose of governing the people absolute.

Setting up a Religion after murdering believers of Pentecost in 325 AD, this was the beginning of the end. If you look you can’t miss the things that was done even in the words of God in the Bible.

The old Roman Empire referred to in the book of Revelations says that it is the 10 horns, Daniels dream referred to it as the 10 toes. Those ten toes are Russia, France, England,
Austria, Prussia, Turkey, Ethiopia, Libya or Phut. These are the descendents of Shem.

God said in the last days he will reach out his hand a second time to Assyria, Egypt, Cush, Elam, Babylonia, Hamath and the Isles of the Sea.

Edom is the land of Esau; also known as Babylon or Chaldea established by Assyria. (Isaiah 23:13) The capital of Chaldea was Babylon. The Roman empire was both Phoenicia and Syria and was call Caldea. It was under the rule of Caesar at Jesus Time (Luke 3:1).

Jesus died to set man free from bondage, although he did say if we were made slave that we should serve our master in good behavior as not to blemish the name of God.

The people who were saved from the continuation of the Apostles preaching of truth and faith according to Gods word the Holy Bible were many martyred during Constantine’s’ rule. You can read about it in the Foxes book of Marty’s and in The Vicars of Christ exposed. The link to “the Vicars of Christ is exposed” is listed below. A Catholic, who is a former Jesuit professor at Rome’s prestigious Gregorian University, writes this particular book. His name is Peter De Rosa. His book was originally published in America in 1988, but had been out of print and can now be bought in the full book for again for $20.00 by Poolberg Publishing, in Ireland. . It reads more like a book about the Mafia then what was suppose to be the Holy church of God; has made it that way that men would leave a place called the house of God and is really an abomination before him.

However the link I have provided will more than likely shock everyone one and or make some sick. It did me, there is a lot of information and for the most part it all seems that it can be validated. I this because I have in the past read the Catholic’s website where their notes for various reforms is written for 100’s of years back. I can imagine for the Jesuit who gathered and wrote the book and taught people at the University, was sickened but felt he had to relieve his own conscience that he not be stricken by God because of the errors of wickedness they did.

The changes and write-ups were for very bad behavior issues of men who claim to be servants of the most high and only God. I think too much money and too much power can go to a man’s head.

These are the men of God I grew up with; I reason some of this as why did Jesus tell them in Matthew 10:10 Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat. Luke 6:29 says: — If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. God wants us to understand when there is doctrinal error
or wolves among us.

So when I hear people like Rosa who loves the Lord and has not the understanding of some of these things. I look to find away to convey the truth. When and if someone
after being told the truth and they reject it. It is still painful but God won’t hold the blood of that person against us. As he said he won’t force himself on any.

My comments are not to offend any Catholic or any other religion but to encourage understanding that no one should loose his soul. You will read how many people were killed for the word of God. If you love the Lord and mankind it will make you sick but you will see why the Bible says to come out of the churches of Bel. You will see why the Bel church today is the Catholic Church. The Jewish people are just starting open up about it as time grows closer and they know what the word says about this church and satan and the anti-christ. Those murdered wouldn’t worship idols and bow down to the papacy. It is a sin for any man to say he is the Vicar of Christ. I have many Catholics that are family and friends but the truth is what will set you free, without the truth we are all damned. If God didn’t spare the Angels do you think he is going to spare people who have been told a lie and then even told the truth and rejected it. The word says you can believe a lie and be damned. There are so many Catholics through out the world and they need to be lead to other religions for the purpose of faith in saving their souls.

These are facts and not met to be painful but to open the eyes of those who have been blinded by people who blaspheme the word of God.

**See how God feels about all of this filth. God saw everything before it ever happened.
Revelations 13:6 — And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. Revelations 7:25 – He will speak against the Most High and oppress his saints and try to change the set times and the laws. The saints will be handed over to him for a time, times and half a time. Revelations 12:13 – Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to make war against the rest of her offspring—those who obey God’s commandments and behold to the testimony of Jesus. Revelations 17:3 – Then the angel carried me away in the Spirit in to a desert. There I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was covered with blasphemous names and had seven heads and ten horns. Revelations 17:2 With her the kings of the earth committed adultery and the inhabitants of the earth were intoxicated with the wine of her adulteries.” Nahum 3:4 all because of the wanton lust of a harlot, alluring, the mistress of sorceries, who enslaved nations by her prostitution and peoples by her witchcraft. Revelations 22:2 So I will cast her on a bed of suffering, and I will make those who commit adultery with her suffer intensely, unless they repent of her ways. Revelation 3:10 Since you have kept my command to ensure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come upon the whole world to test those who live on the earth. Revelations 9:21 Nor did they repent of their murders, their magic arts, their sexual immorality or their thefts. Revelation 14:8 A second angel followed and said, “Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great, which made all the nations drink the maddening wine of her adulteries.” Revelation 17:5 – This title was written on her forehead: MYSTERY BABYLON THE GREAT THE MOTHER OF PROSTITUTES AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. Revelation 17:8 — The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and will come up out of the Abyss and go to the destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because he once was, now is not, and yet will come. Matthew 26:64 — Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. Matthew 26:65 – Then the high priest rent his clothes, saying, he has spoken blasphemy; what further need have we of witnesses? Behold, now you have heard his blasphemy. John 10:33 – (NIV) They replied, “We’re stoning you not for any good work, but for blasphemy! You, a mere man, claim to be God.” Leviticus 24:16 – anyone who blasphemes the name of the LORD must be put to death. The entire assembly must stone him. Whether an alien or native-born, when he blasphemes the Name, he must be put to
Death. John 10:33 – (KJV) For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God. Colossians 3:8 – but now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.

Below I have listed scriptures that should allow you to see the issues of the misguided church practicing things against the word of God and Jesus Christ.
Religious teachings.

Purgatory? There is no such place: So as a tree falleth it lays, this is a made up lie and the Jesuit tells the truth of which Pope made the lie to steal money from the souls they were suppose to be shepherding. It is difficult to comprehend. Look at these scriptures:

(1) Job 19:8 – “He hath hedged in my path round about, and I cannot pass.” Therefore the dead cannot be assisted by a person’s shrouded/dead. (*In other words dead men can’t be wayfarers)
(2) Luke 16:19 – There was a rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and who feasted sumptuously every day. 16:20 And at his gate was laid a poor man named Lazarus, covered with sores, 16:21 who desired to be fed with what fell from the rich man’s table. Moreover, even the dogs came and licked his sores. 16:22 The poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried, 16:23 and in Hades, being in torment, lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side. 16:24 And he called out, “Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus to dip the end of his finger in water and cool my tongue, for I am in anguish in this flame.’ 16:25 But Abraham said, ‘Child, remember that you in your lifetime received your good things, and Lazarus in like manner bad things; but now he is comforted here, and you are in anguish. 16:26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, in order that those who would pass from here to you may not be able, and none may cross from there to us.’ 16:27 And he said, “Then I beg you, father, house—16:28 for I have five brothers—so that he may warn them, lest they also come into this place of torment.’ 16:29 But Abraham said, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them hear them.” 16:30 And he said, ‘ No, father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’ 16:31 he said to him, ‘If you do not hear Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be convinced if someone should rise from the dead.

Father is the Name of God:

(1) Matthew 23:9 – And do not call anyone on earth “father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.
******Vicar of Christ-What is the definition according to the Catholic Church?
(2) For the Roman Pontiff, by reason of his office s Vicar of Christ, and as pastor of
the entire church has full, supreme, and universal power over the whole church, a
power, which he can always exercise.” (Catechism of the Catholic Church, second
Edition Washington 1994-1997 #882.
(3) (Definition: “vicar”—in the broadest sense means someone who is authorized to act as a substitute or agent for a superior/compare “vicarious”—serving in the place of someone else; assuming the position, place, or office of another person.)

The veil of the temple was rent: “No confession” except direct to God-“it is repentance”

(1) Mark 15:38 – And the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom.
(2) I Peter 2:9 – But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a
people belonging to God, that you may declare the praises of him who called
you out of darkness into his wonderful light.
(**This eliminated confession to a priest. At the death of Jesus all believers become priest)

Murder is a sin, even if done by a person claiming to be the head of a Church.
(1) Revelations 9:12 – Nor did they repent of their murders, their magic arts, their
sexual immorality or their thefts.

Changing the words of the bible:

(1) Ezra 6:11 Also I have made a decree, that whosoever shall alter this word, let
timber be pulled down from his house, and being set up, let him be hanged
thereon; and let his house be made a dunghill for this.
(2) Revelation 22:19 –And if anyone takes words away from this book of
prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the
holy city, which are described in this book.

Change times: 1=antichrist 2=God

(1) Daniel 7:25 – He will speak against the Most High and oppress his saints and
try to change the set times and the laws. The saints will be handed over to
him for a time, times and half a time.
(2) Daniel 2:21—He controls the course of world events; he removes kings and sets up other kings. He gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to the scholars.

Have blood on your hands

Excommunications: How so, god is the Judge

(1) Psalms 9:8 – He will judge the world in righteousness; he will govern the peoples with justice.
(2) Acts 17:31 – For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed. He has given proof of this to all men by raising him from the dead.”
(3) Psalms 1:5—Therefore the wicked will not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the assembly of the righteous.
(4) Hebrew 10:30 – For we know him that hath said, Vengeance (belongeth) unto me. I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
(5) Leviticus 19:18 – “’ Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against one of your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the Lord.

Come out of her, my people (church):

(1) Jeremiah 51:44 – I will punish Bel in Babylon and make him spew out what
he has swallowed. The nations will no longer stream to him. And the wall of
Babylon will fall.
(2) Jeremiah 51:45 – “Come out of her, my people! Run for your lives! Run
from the fierce anger of the LORD.
(3) Mark 10:15 – Verily I say unto you, whosoever shall not receive the kingdom
of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein.
(4) Mark 15:10 – Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the
Kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein.

Communion without holiness causes the body to be sick—“Not to be holy”
(1) 1 Corinthians 11:27-32 — Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup
of the Lord is an unworthy manner will be guilty concerning the body and
blood of the Lord. Let a person examine himself, then, and so eat of the
bread.
(2) I Corinthians 11:28 — A man ought to examine himself before he eats of the bread and drinks of the cup.
(3) I Corinthians 11:29 – For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord’s body.
(4) I Corinthians 11:30 — For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment on himself. That is why many of you are weak and ill, and some have died.
(5) I Corinthians 11:31– But if we judged ourselves truly, we would not be judged.
(6) I Corinthians 11:32 — But when we are judged by the Lord, we are disciplined so that we may not be condemned along with the world.
(7) Hebrew 10:29 – How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified, him and who has insulted the Spirit of grace?

Murders liars
(1) Revelation 21:8 – But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the muderers,
the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all
liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second
death.”

Confession

(1) I John 1:9 –If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us
our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.

What church forbids the keepers of Gods law to Marry=the Catholic Church only:

(1) 1 Timothy 4:3 – Forbidding to marry, (and commanding) to abstain from
meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them
which believe and know the truth.
(2) Matthew 8:14 And when Jesus was come into Peter’s house, he saw his
wife’s mother laid, and sick of a fever.

Tribunals have tried the dead?
(1) Acts 18:12 – And when Gallio was the deputy of Achaia, the Jews made insurrection with one accord against Paul, and brought him to the judgment seat,

Who did God put in charge of the church? He put God fearing people, people who feared
God and didn’t sale off the Gospel or things of the church nor did they live as rich men
And tyrants. They were martyred for their faith!

(1) Matthew 16:8 – And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this
rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
(2) Philippians 1:1 – Paul and Timothy, servants of Christ Jesus, To all the saints in Christ Jesus at Philippi, together with the overseers and deacons:
(3) Philippians 1:7 – It is right for me to feel this way abut all of you, since I have you in my heart; for whether I am in chains or defending and confirming the gospel, all of you share in God’s grace with me.
(4) Hebrew 2:11 – Both the one who makes men holy and those who are made
holy are of the same family. So Jesus is not ashamed to call them brothers.
(5) Numbers 23:19 – God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man,
that he should repent: has he said, and shall he not do it? Or has he spoken,
and shall he not make it good?

Here are some random scriptures that are truth and if you find them or don’t find them fundamentally in your church you need to be concerned:

(1) 2 Corinthians 5:10 – “We must all be manifested before the judgment seat of
Christ, that every one may receive the proper things of the body, according as
he hath done.” Therefore nothing can accrue to a man from the works of
others, which are done after his death and when he is no longer in the body.

(1) Isaiah 21:9 – Look, here comes a man in a chariot with a team of horses. And
he gives back the answer: “Babylon has fallen, has fallen! All the images of
its gods lie shattered on the ground!’”

Hebrew 5:7 – During the days of Jesus’ life on the earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission.

Romans 8:11 – But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

John 5:21—For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it.

Romans 6:4 – We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.

Romans 8:2 – Because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death.

Romans 8:9 – You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ.

Romans 8:12 – Therefore, brothers, we have an obligation—but it is not to the sinful nature, to live according to it.

Luke16:15 –And he said to them, “you are those who justify yourselves before men, but God knows your hearts. For what is exalted among men is an abomination in the sight of God.

Luke 16:16 – “The Law and the Prophets were until John: since then the good news of the Kingdom of God is preached, and everyone forces hi way into it 16:17 But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one dot of the Law to become void.
(** So how does a person calling himself Vicar do so in light of the scripture above and
based on the fact that he is blasphemy God?)

John 10:1 – Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

John 10:8 – All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.

Jeremiah 23:1 – Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD.

Titus 2:14 –Who gave hiself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

Ephesians 5:6 – to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word,

I Peter 1:18 –For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from forefathers,

I John 1:7 – But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin.

I John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.

Acts 2:38 – Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, everyone of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Acts 2:40 – With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, “Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.”

Matthew 20:28 – just as the son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”

Revelations 9:20 – The rest of mankind that were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of their hands; they did not stop worshiping demons, and idols of gold, silver bronze, stone and wood—idols that cannot see or hear or walk.

Revelation 17:2 – With her the kings of the earth committed adultery and the inhabitants of the earth were intoxicated with the wine of her adulteries.”

Revelation 17:4 – The woman was dressed in purple and scarlet, and was glittering with
gold, precious stones and pearls. She held a golden cup in her hand, filled with abominable things and the filth of her adulteries.

Revelation 18:4 – And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

Revelation 18:23 – The light of a lamp will never shine in you again. The voice of bridegroom and bride will never be heard in you again. Your merchants were the world’s great men. By your magic spell all the nations were led astray.

This is the site with information about the Catholic Church that describes it as?

I would like to say as bad as all of the things that have been done by these people; who my opinion have set themselves up to be rich gods. If they truly repented, then I believe
God would have forgiven them but if they had then Revelations would not have been written. But none-the-less we are to come out of that church but in our own hearts forgive them but separate from them; that their sins not become our hell and damnation.

You wrote “Revelations 9:20 – The rest of mankind that were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of their hands; they did not stop worshiping demons, and idols of gold, silver bronze, stone and wood—idols that cannot see or hear or walk.

Revelation 17:2 – With her the kings of the earth committed adultery and the inhabitants of the earth were intoxicated with the wine of her adulteries.”

Revelation 17:4 – The woman was dressed in purple and scarlet, and was glittering with
gold, precious stones and pearls. She held a golden cup in her hand, filled with abominable things and the filth of her adulteries.”

*You and I and others on here can see this so clearly. I did watch a video recently concerning the catholic church and they mentioned that there is severe brainwashing. I am wondering if this here is referring to that “were intoxicated with the wine of her adulteries.” And here “By your magic spell all the nations were led astray.”

All I know to do at this point is pray because I honestly sense that what is going on is spoken of here “Ephesians 6:12”.

Marianne and others have tried for a year….and all the scriptures have been rejected.

Sorry Lidsay that you had to waste so much time and effort to try to convince me of your lies, but but Like Jesus when judge I will not be moved nothing that you bunch of vipers can say will affect my beliefs and i suggest that you stop attacking me and my faith .You believe to be guide by the holy spirit when in reality you are living a lie .your attacks on our faith is the devil’s work and not God further you attack our holy Mother and her roll in God.s plan for the world and Heaven, so is this the work of the Holy Spirit ? The very same Spouse of Mary the Mother of God? He trough who Mary was impregnated? Are you reducing the Holy Spirit to the ways of man? And is the Holy Spirit the one and only who is guiding you to attack the the Catholic Church? I doubt very much that the Spirit of the Living God is living inside of you .For the Spirit of God will not ever ever give you such an advise of rebellion but He will teach you to love, to show mercy charity and above all unity .So how can you believe that God has given you power over us? The reason you are having power to slander the name of our Holy Mother Mary as well as the Roman Catholic church : is because they have not keep God’s commandments and therefore God has allowed the evil one to test her just like silver is refined in the furnace so it is being for the Roman catholic church and through you and others like you Satan is doing his very best ,But remember that when all of this purifying is over Satan and all his workers will be trow into the fires of Hell for all eternity.Remember that those who laugh last laugh better! And let me also tell you in advance that if Marianne wants to reprove me or ban me it is fine with me .I am ready for whatever God has planned for me ,but i should also remind her that as a member of this site I have the right to defend myself and my church.other than that I will not feel that I am being treated as God’s child but a slave of the devil therefore will not want to remain in such a .restrained place.

Hey Rosa
I would like to ask you a hypothetical question. If the catholic church or the pope told you that you have to bow down to an idol of Obama, would you do it? Would you do it if the pope was performing miracles, and saying it?

What I am getting at here is that the church and its leaders can be your God in place of the true God. You are prepared to defend yourself and your church, but are you prepared to defend your faith in the abscence of the church and the pope? That is what many of us are getting at here. I can be equally as critical of protestentism. If your faith is in what church you belong to, then it is misguided, and we are trying to open your eyes to that.

Pattie is the one who went through great efforts to show us in the scriptures what is truth concerning the catholic church. I applaud her efforts and the time it took to do this. This should also show how very much she loves you and everyone else in that she wrote with purpose, truth and genuine concern.

Regarding the Holy Spirit, Jesus promised us the Holy Spirit before He ascended; to those who are called by G-d; to those who believe IN HIM. He not only comes to be with us upon salvation but also to dwell inside of us.

Most of us here have the Holy Spirit with us because we believe in Jesus Christ as the Son of G-d/as our REDEEMER and we are now saved because of HIM.

Only a few of us here have Him dwelling inside of us. This just means that we have taken the next step after salvation to receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit-this is available to anyone who is saved/redeemed by the blood of Jesus Christ.

The Holy Spirit is Jesus’ GIFT to us to teach us, to comfort us, to counsel us, to bring to our remembrance what has been written in the scriptures and most importantly to bring us into ALL TRUTH, for He, the Holy Spirit is indeed the Spirit of Truth.

This doesn’t give us power over anyone,for the power belongs to the Holy Spirit-G-d’s Spirit. We are merely the vessel/temple in which He lives.

Here is scripture to support all that I just wrote:

John 14:17…the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives WITH you and will be IN you.

Acts 1:8But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.”

Acts 2:38 – Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, everyone of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And YOU WILL RECEIVE THE GIFT of the Holy Spirit

John 14:26But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will TEACH YOU all things and WILL REMIND YOU of everything I have said to you.

Matthew 3:11 “I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me will come one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not fit to carry. He (Jesus) will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire.

John 16:13But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, HE WILL GUIDE YOU INTO ALL TRUTH. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.

*So as you can see from the above scriptures, the Holy Spirit’s role in the beginning with Mary did not end there. The Holy Spirit is not the spouse of anyone. He is never referred to as a “spouse”.

He is described as 1) a person 2) the Spirit of G-d 3) the Spirit of Truth 4) Teacher 5) Counselor 6) Comforter

The Holy Spirit hovered over the waters back in Genesis…then we see Him again with Mary….then we see Him on the day of Pentecost…..and He is still here……and He dwells inside of me, 23 years this December.

I explained all of this so that you would understand WHO the Holy Spirit is and that I am no one special other than a child of G-d. Marianne also has the Holy Spirit. We both just took the “next step”, that is all.

Rosa,

The time is soon approaching when all of us have to make a decision. This decision will be our final decision and that is to whom will you serve?!

It is imperative that not only you but others as well KNOW the TRUTH. We have tried our best to show you the truth from the scriptures. The Bible has the FINAL Authority over all of us; our opinions; our doctrines; our churches; our pastors, priests, bishops, vicars’ and popes.

NO ONE is able to save us Rosa other then Jesus Christ. I honestly don’t know what else to say other then when that day comes, please remember that there is NO OTHER NAME by which we can be saved other than JESUS CHRIST/YESHUA!

Mary won’t be able to save you, nor the pope, nor the priests, nor the rosaries, nor the holy water nor the church or even the building itself….ONLY JESUS CHRIST can save us!

Acts 4:8Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them: “Rulers and elders of the people! 9If we are being called to account today for an act of kindness shown to a cripple and are asked how he was healed, 10then know this, you and all the people of Israel: IT IS BY THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST of Nazareth, whom you crucified but whom God raised from the dead, that this man stands before you healed. 11He is

“‘the stone you builders rejected,

which has become the capstone.a’b

12 SALVATION IS FOUND IN NO ONE ELSE, FOR THERE IS NO OTHER NAME UNDER HEAVEN GIVEN TO MEN BY WHICH WE MUST BE SAVED.”

Linday ,Linday .You proclaim to have the Holy spirit inside of you but my dear the only one that you have is the father of all liars for the holy spirit would never entice you to falsely accuse the ope or the holy Mother Church>(Catholic Church ) as long as you are acting god on earth judging God’s precious children.The Holy Spirit will fly from you for he will not live in anything that is unclean .Both you and Dru and now even Marianne have gone into the internet where all the evil spirits make there home to seduce mankind looking for trash to use against the TRUE BRIDE OF CHRIST.hopping that like you we would believe all those lies about satanic rituals black masses and all the evil an evil reporter and other worker of Satan has post. how naive! It very funny the way you guys go on gathering trash from one place to another in order to make us lose our immortal souls .No thanks! we like our church and our faith .And even if there have been a few bad apples within the flock .It is still the only TRUE BRIDE OF CHRIST harassed or not by the evil one .This is the only Way to salvation where the Sacred Body and Blood of Christ truly exist and we can take part in this delicious and wonderful banquet that God has prepared for us .Oh if you could only know what you have given up! It cannot be explained to a sinner such as you .only those whom God has chosen have such a privilege .How sad, you will never know the feeling of possessing Christ Body and Blood united with you as one.

It is written: Ephesians 6:12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

The Holy Spirit never leaves us, for I am SEALED until the day of redemption.

Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the Holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamor, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
32 and be ye kind one to another, tender-hearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ’s sake hath forgiven you. Col. 3.13

Rosa, I pray God have mercy on you.. And I urge you to take an examine of conscience.. I am not without sin, but your words show no fear of God.. He is judge, not you.. He can only know a persons heart, not you friend… And the bible plainly states that He will judge those who judge others and who condemn others.. Only He is suppose to make that call… We can warn others, but with love mixed with fear..
God bless you

Perhaps you should consider that as a sign that God is not happy with the way you are insulting , defaming and lead down His holy Mother Mary as well as His Pope and Bride.
You have not seen anything yet .You cannot say that you were not warned .There were messages of warning from the Lord in TLIG Vassulas God hand writing messages as well as me and others who kept warning you .So now you will pay every last cent of your debt .You ungrateful servants!

We here in America have earned G-d’s wrath, but it is not because we did not bow down to the pagan Queen of Heaven. It is the millions of abortions, drug abuse, the love that has grown cold, not loving one’s neighbors, worshiping gold and silver, Homosexuality and their sick marriage, etc…

G-d the Father does not like his followers to pray to dead people, or worship that which is false.

Yes, it is the end times, and natural disasters will be more common. Only a personal relationship with God can protect us, when everything goes wrong. This is why Jesus came, to teach us how this can be true. God does not want to be far away and distant. He wants us to love him, and be close to us, like a parent. If you haven’t done it, spend time and read what Jesus said in the gospels. It will give you peace.

Cathy .Why do you not practice what you preach ? For it not I who is doing the judging but you and every christian in this forum without mercy are judging me and my faith .did you believe that i would just let you crawl in my back and allow you to beat me to death until i could no longer move? sorry but there was only one Jesus Christ and He already died for your sins and mine and unfortunate for you I am not as strong as Jesus so will I attack back? Yes with every breath I take!Please once again stop worrying about my salvation .worry about yours .i am a big girl and can take care of that my self.If you want this fight to stop them be the first to stop trowing the first stone and in my nothingness that i am :Will promise to do the same .But as long as you or anyone else is willing to accuse me or my faith the fight goes on!i did not join you to learn anything from you but simply to share my own faith and beliefs without criticizing demoralizing or in anyway harming your believes .My idea was to love you just like Jesus loves you. but was never given the chance instead all i heard all at once was a bunch of vipers snapping at me ,and not welcoming me .So How can i be any different ? You should never spit in the air for you no not where that spit will end up for it might well be that will fall right back into your own face .You all take pleasure in seeing that the catholic church is facing trouble and do not realize that God lives in that church he was the founder of it .Jesus start the church it was not man who found but Jesus himself found it .So if you believe that you can go on blaspheming cursing disrespecting falsely accuse the Holy Bride of God without consequences? think again!do you remember Jim baker ? Remember how rich and powerful he was? Yet his money and power did not saved him .He end up in jail. This is only the tip of the iceberg .There are many many Jim bakers as Christian sects who have been brought down by shame and without honor and the rest of you is just a matter of time before you taste the bitterness of your own wrath.. So glorify yourselves while you still have time .What goes around comes around!

Rosa,
I am a Catholic and believe in most of the teachings of the church.. But I like Marianne do not believe EVERYTHING the church teaches because our faith is the be in God not a church or religion..
And I have not condemned you here, I am just warning about your condemning others.. We are suppose to exhort the sinner, help the needy and so on as the church teaches. If I were to judge you I would use the same words you did and tell you that your doomed to Gods wrath and so on.. But that is not my call..
If you think you are correct in all you have said, then there is nothing else I can do in speaking with you..
I have exhorted here.. That means to urge..
Please, lets all speak the truth here and not twist words and ignore the truth, otherwise this is useless..

To clarify: When I said may God have mercy on you I did not mean you were doomed, I mean that God does judge us here in our lives for being in error, testings of our faith and so on… And of course no one wants to be judged by God, it hurts.. But He does it so that we will not perish along with the rest of the sinful and unbelieving world..

Yes, I see what you mean.. But when we punish our children we are disciplining them right?

I have come to realize that in my life by experience, that just because I am a believer in Christ does not mean that I am not sinful and cant be judged for it or disciplined unto holiness.. As Peter says, “anyone who is not holy will not see the Lord”. So God purifies us in our lives to help us be holy and is bringing us to salvation by the power of the Spirit of Christ working in us in our peaceful times and in our correcting, stormy times..

“If judgment begins with the house of God how much worse will it be for the ones who do not obey the gospel.” 1 Peter 4:16 – I think. God judges us for our good.. I mentioned this earlier in my posts about God judging us.. But there will be a Great Throne judgment besides God judging our hearts and testing our faith here on earth for those who will inherit the kingdom..

Open your “eyes”, Rosa! “IF” the “Roman” Catholic Church is so “Holy”, why then did they change the, Sabbath, from Saturday to Sunday??? By what authority, did they do this? I’ll tell you right now, it was NOT by God or Jesus Christ! Have you ever wondered why the Ten Commandments of the Catholic Church are NOT the same as those written “…by the hand of God!” One last item, at what “point-in-time” and/or
“Scripture” passage, did the “Pope” receive the ability to “absolve” anyone of SIN??? Excuse me for being so “naive”, but I thought only God IS CAPABLE OF THAT!!!

I am not “crucifying” the people of the Catholic Church or condemning them, or any other “Church”…I am simply allowing you to find out for yourself! It is clearly written in the Scriptures, “…that even the most ‘elect’ will be mislead…”, by the “Great Deceiver!”

PLEASE! DO NOT TAKE MY WORD FOR IT…LOOK IT UP FOR YOURSELF!

Unless of course, you believe the reason for the high price of gasoline is “justified”…

Open your “eyes”, Rosa! “IF” the “Roman” Catholic Church is so “Holy”, why then did they change the, Sabbath, from Saturday to Sunday??? By what authority, did they do this? I’ll tell you right now, it was NOT by God or Jesus Christ! Have you ever wondered why the Ten Commandments of the Catholic Church are NOT the same as those written

You are are Peter my Rock In you I will built my church.I give you the keys to the kingdom of Heaven .for whatever you shall bind on earth will be bind in heaven and whatever you shall bind in heaven it also shall be bind on earth,and those who’s sins you forgive on earth shall also be forgive in Heaven .There this is the answer that i will give you .

Jesus never told Peter that he-Peter-was the rock. Here is the verse in its entire context. Read each word and sentence carefully and notice that Jesus has just told Peter that he would not have known who he was (who jesus was) without the Holy Spirit. AND that “the keys to heaven” ARE “whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven”.

This one verse has been completely misinterpreted for the sake of 1 religion. And because of that misinterpretation, among many MANY other things is now a FALSE Religion.

Peter’s Confession of Christ

13When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say the Son of Man is?”

Matthew 16:14They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”

15“But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?”

16Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ,b the Son of the living God.”

17Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven. 18And I tell you that you are Peter,c and ON THIS ROCK (he is NOT telling Peter that HE is the rock) I will build my church, and the gates of Hadesd will not overcome it.e

(*here Jesus is changing the subject*)-19I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will bef bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will beg loosed in heaven.”- 20Then he warned his disciples not to tell anyone that he was the Christ.

THE ROCK is the revelation of Jesus Christ being the SON of G-d!
The KEYS = bind on earth/bound in heaven-loose on earth/loosed in heaven

Can anyone else help me explain this better? Did I explain this right?

lindsey
The rock, that the church is built on is the divinity of Jesus. Peter is admitting that Jesus was the messiah in his statement. where the confusion comes in is that Peter’s name translates as “little pebble” or something like that. So what Jesus is saying is that what this little pebble said is the rock that the church is built on. It was kind of a serious joke. At least I see humor in it.!

Lindsey
I found this quite interesting, I left Isaiah 44:8 for rosa below on the rock issue, but the whole of chapter 44 is quite interesting. when I read it a couple of days ago, I thought to myself that that section on the rock seems out of place , but now it makes total sense why it was put there.
Verses 1-5 talk about Israel being the Lord’s chosen people.
verse 6-8 Besides me there is no God.
verses 9-20 about idolatry.

Read the chapter and see if it speaks to you like it is to me on this issue.?

That’s right, Lyndsey! Somewhere it also says, “…even the ‘elect’, shall be fooled…” (paraphrased of course). And, “…all these things must come to pass…” before the return of Christ! All “we” can do is, “…keep the faith!”

Linday
What! what are you saying .Jesus never told Peter that he was His rock I do not know exactly where and have no time to look it up but I know that it is in the new testament .The lord ask the disciples this question .Whom do you think that i am? some said Elija others Moses and them the Lord ask who do you think that I am Peter and Peter answered .You are the Christ the Son of the Living God! Then Jesus replied .Peter you are my rock in you I shall build my church for this things did not come from you but from him who send me. So if your bible does not have this passage it is prove that you are not following the true Gospel of Lord Jesus Christ but like I said before there are many passages that your King James withdrew from the true bible .

mat 16:18 Rosa
Peters name literally means small stone. If you read this statement carefully, you will see that Jesus is using a play on words. The testimony of Peter is what is the Rock, not Peter himself.
I corinthians 10:4b states “For they drank from the spiritual Rock that followed them,(Moses and Israel) and THE ROCK WAS CHRIST.
Also Isaiah 44:8 “Fear not nor be afraid; have I not told you from of Old and declared it? and you are my witness! Is there a God besides Me? There is NO ROCK; I know not any.”

In both these cases, the Rock refers to God, he is the only Rock on which the church is built. Was peter a leader in the early church? without a doubt. Could you claim him as the first Pope? I believe this can be found in the writings of the early church. Is that church the rock that Mathew 16:18 refers to the catholic church? No. Peter was merely a little pebble compared to Christ.

This is not meant to be an insult to your church, but a glorification of Christ.

The KJV is the closest thing to the original. The New Testament was written in Greek and then translated into the KJV English.

So yes, that is exactly what I am saying. Peter was NEVER told by Jesus that he/PETER was the Rock of anything.

Here is the verse: Matthew 16:13

Peter’s Confession of Christ

13When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say the Son of Man is?”

14They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”

15“But what about you?” he asked. “WHO DO YOU SAY I AM?”

16Simon (Peter answered, “You are the Christ,b the Son of the living God.”)

*Peter confesses the revelation of who Jesus IS.

17Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven.

18 AND (I tell you that YOU ARE PETER)

*Jesus is telling Peter who PETER is AFTER Peter told Jesus who HE/Jesus was. And As dru pointed out, Peter’s name meant “pebble/little rock”. So Is Jesus actually saying that the church will be built upon a “little rock” a “little pebble? No, He is not…..lets look and see what Jesus is saying below:

,c AND (on THIS ROCK I will build my church,)

*what rock is Jesus referring to? Lets look and see what had just happened. Peter was shown by the Holy Spirit WHO Jesus really was. Who is Jesus? Jesus is the Son of G-d! AND Jesus is often referred to as THE ROCK from Genesis through Revelations.

Isaiah 8:13 Sanctify the LORD of hosts himself; and [let] him [be] your fear, and [let] him [be] your dread.
8:14 And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a STONE of stumbling AND FOR A ROCK of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem. (talking about Jesus)

1 Samuel 2:2″There is no one holy like the LORD; there is no one besides you; there is NO ROCK LIKE OUR GOD.

Deuteronomy 32:30 How could one man chase a thousand, or two put ten thousand to flight, unless THEIR ROCK had sold them, unless THE LORD had given them up?

Deuteronomy 32:31 For their rock is not like OUR ROCK, as even our enemies concede.

2 Samuel 22:3 my God is MY ROCK, in whom I take refuge, my shield and the horn of my salvation. He is my stronghold, my refuge and my savior–from violent men you save me.

2 Samuel 22:32 For who is God besides the LORD? And WHO IS THE ROCK EXCEPT OUR GOD?

Psalm 18:2 The LORD IS MY ROCK, my fortress and my deliverer; my God is my rock, in whom I take refuge. He is my shield and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold.

Psalm 18:31 For who is God besides the LORD? And WHO IS THE ROCK EXCEPT OUR GOD?

***The ROCK = G-d/Jesus Christ/The SON of G-d***

Jesus never said “YOU ARE the Rock Peter”…Jesus said, “UPON THIS ROCK (meaning HIMSELF/the REVELATION of WHO HE IS.
Peter was just given this revelation/truth FROM G-D/the Holy Spirit.

(and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. 19 I will give you the KEYS of the kingdom of heaven;)

*Jesus is telling peter that He will give peter the KEYS of the Kingdom of Heaven. What are the KEYS? see next verse….

KEYS = whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will beg loosed in heaven.”

The apostle Paul explains further in 1 Corinthians 3:10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
11 FOR OTHER FOUNDATION CAN NO MAN LAY THAN THAT IS LAID, WHICH IS JESUS CHRIST.

Jesus Christ is THE FOUNDATION/THE ROCK.

Have you ever heard the song “on solid rock I stand, all other ground is sinking sand”?

Indeed this is true.. But only if Christ is your rock and your faith rest in Him, not in our own made up religion, or a translation of the bible.. We must obey as He obeyed by the power of Spirit in us.. So one cannot say that they hold the full truth, no one man does, only Christ.. The Catholic church teaches this and it is not mystery to the church that we have had bad popes and clergy.. They do not deny this.. But Christ did say that the gates of Hades shall not prevail against the church.. It is still standing after 2000 years.. Now if you all believe that your protestant religions are all correct and without error, and I mean HUGE error, then you are the ones who arent seeing.. They have split into 30,000 different denominations, and they all think they are right?.. We are to be a part of the body of Christ, gathering together in unity, keeping the Sabbath as Christ did and so on.. You cant do that when you are alone in your own religion at home..
The Catholic church is not perfect, the Pope will tell you that, but it is the church Jesus Christ left us, there is no other historical record of another..
So in my opinion, God will judge all those in the church, Catholic and Protestant who did not do the will of the Father as Christ said.. All the Christian churches have error, so why just condemn the Catholic church? And you can throw all the scriptures at me that say, “come out of her my people”, but we could do the same with the protestant churches.. They are full of idolatry (money), and many other sins…
I think it safe to stay with the one Jesus left us in my opinion, but we all must stay on our guard with our faith no matter what church we worship in…

If you have studied the OT and the gospels, all this was written down to show us how God works and how stubborn and rebellious man can be.. The Jews insisted on a king, they continued to have authority to watch over them.. There were good kings and bad kings, just as there is in the Catholic church down through the years.. But when Christ was telling his disciples not to follow in the example of the Pharisees, he told them, “do what they tell you but do not follow in their example.” Authority is ordained by God, the scriptures says this. Is it any wonder then why the protestants have all separated then? They have no human authority to govern them, so that is the result of it.. We have authority in this world to keep it under control, this is Gods doing. Gods sovereignty in all this is clear in the OT and the gospels. We just got to be looking for it.
But when it comes to authority vs. God and the authorities are demanding that we deny our faith, then we must stand firm and trust in God…

People can be saved in all denominations, in some it’s more difficult than in some others. Catholics are critisized maybe most therefore that no other denomination wants to make all other denominations its subordinates. When apostacy increases all the time unification will be the end result and true Church of believers in Jesus will be forced underground.

I could see this happening.. If so happens then you will know the true ones from the false ones.. The false ones will deny their faith for a crumb. Although the scripture says that when Christ returns that His angels will separate the good from the bad, so I dont know. I do believe people can be saved outside the Catholic church, but I think that their is much error in the salvation concept in the protestant churches.. So it is hard.. Although the Catholic church has its errors too.. Studying the scriptures and prayer are vital…

My purpose is to expose and address the false beliefs/teaching within the Catholic Church which include but are not limited to the worship of idols, the pope and Mary; Changing the ten commandments and the sabbath day.

And the prayers sent to Mary, dead saints as well as the false belief/teaching that Mary is a “co redeemer” to Jesus Christ.

There is more, only it gets to be rather overwhelming to address and expose them all.

As children of G-d, we are to told to expose these false teachings and their teachers.

1 Timothy 5:19-20 ESV
Do not admit a charge against an elder except on the evidence of two or three witnesses. As for those who persist in sin, rebuke them in the presence of all, so that the rest may stand in fear.

1 Timothy 4:1-5 ESV

Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared, who forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, for it is made holy by the word of God and prayer.

2 Corinthians 4:4 ESV

In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

2 Timothy 4:3 ESV

For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions,

***Galatians 1:6-9 ESV***

I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.***

We can throw these scriptures right back at protestants in all fairness.. Try to see it on both sides.. This is called fair scales, the weighing of both sides and it is commanded by God in the scriptures..

“But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.***”

Mormonism was founded upon Joseph Smith allegedly hearing from an “angel”. Their beliefs are CONTRARY to the Word of G-d; Contrary to the gospel that was preached by the apostles. So yes, they too are false teachers.

ANY religion that is contrary to the gospel of Jesus Christ is false, period.

7 churches that He established.. Not denominations.. That would be parishes in the church.. Study your history and you will see..
Jesus was jewish and followed his Jewish religion faithfully to God according to Moses handed down by God. Just as the Catholic church follows Christ faithfully handed down by God to Jesus to Peter, the beginning of the church..
Yes your right, Jesus did not start a denomination, He started His church the universal Catholic church.. The protestants started denominations..
Study your history….

I challenge you to study the scriptures. And THERE you will find the TRUTH.

The 7 churches in the Revelation 1-3 are NOT Parishes.

Jesus never handed down a catholic church to Peter.

Peter was also rebuked by Jesus shortly after Peter’s confession of Jesus being Christ. I thought this was very interesting in what Jesus says to Peter:

Mark 8:31Jesus Predicts His Death

31He then began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, chief priests and teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and after three days rise again. 32He spoke plainly about this, ***and Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him.***

***33But when Jesus turned and looked at his disciples, he rebuked Peter. “Get behind me, Satan!” he said. “You do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of men.” ***

So if Peter is “the first pope” then I would agree that he does NOT have “in mind the things of G-d, but the things of men”.

Peter rebuked Jesus. Peter also denied Jesus 3 times.

Don’t get me wrong, I have always liked Peter. Jesus loved him….but as Jesus also knew that Peter would deny him 3 times, so also Jesus would know what Peter would eventually be a part of…..even 2011 years later. Just a thought.

God also rebuked Moses too (on several occasions), but that did not keep God from using Moses to set up the Jewish religion.. Wasnt this Moses argument with God that he couldnt speak and do this, but God kept telling him that He (God) can do all things?

G-d never rebuked moses as Jesus rebuked Peter. Jesus was able to “see” SATAN and rebuked SATAN IN PETER. I think that this verse is prophetic in and of itself….now seeing what is going on within the catholic religion.

Poor moses had a speech problem; he stuttered. He didn’t have any self confidence. G-d encouraged moses and provided him with a “voice” through his brother Aaron. How sweet was that!

Marianne, are you Catholic? I was under the impression you were.
Advent wreaths and such and all other traditions were not mentioned by Jesus either. But that does not mean the church is wrong for having such traditions. Traditions are passed down, and Paul himself said this in his letters about the passing down of tradition. I will have to look it up if you want the verse. There was a church structure, Revelation tells us in the letter to the churches and all of Pauls letters.. And every other christian religion branched off from the Catholic church, and then they after another branched off which made denominations..

Cathy wrote “Just as the Catholic church follows Christ faithfully handed down by God to Jesus to Peter, the beginning of the church..”

Cathy,

You do understand that Jesus is the SON of G-d, right?

And that Peter was not given any “special” authority or revelation for that matter that wasn’t also given to ALL OF US as believers IN Jesus Christ as being the Son of G-d.

The Holy Spirit is the one who bears witness to who Jesus Christ is. And He does this to everyone of us who know and believe upon Jesus Christ as being the Son of G-d; the Word made flesh and that when you see Jesus, you also see G-d.

Lindsey, do you believe the scriptures? Do you believe God gave Moses the authority to lead the Israelites? Then you must believe this scripture also regarding Peter.
John 21
15So when they had (T)finished breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, “Simon, son of John, do you (U)love Me more than these?” He said to Him, “Yes, Lord; You know that I love You ” He said to him, “Tend (V)My lambs.”
16He said to him again a second time, “Simon, son of John, do you love Me?” He said to Him, “Yes, Lord; You know that I love You.” He said to him, “(W)Shepherd My sheep.”

17He said to him the third time, “Simon, son of John, do you love Me?” Peter was grieved because He said to him (X)the third time, “Do you love Me?” And he said to Him, “Lord, (Y)You know all things; You know that I love You ” Jesus said to him, “(Z)Tend My sheep.

Did Peter ever say that Mary would intercede on our behalf? Did Peter ever say that were to pray to Mary or pay homage to anyone?

This is what Peter says in Acts4:8 Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them: “Rulers and elders of the people! 9If we are being called to account today for an act of kindness shown to a cripple and are asked how he was healed, 10then know this, you and all the people of Israel: It is by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified but whom God raised from the dead, that this man stands before you healed. 11He is

“‘the stone you builders rejected,

which has become the capstone.a’b

12 SALVATION is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved.”

Yes I did. Constantine made catholicism the main religion of rome. yes I agree with that. That is when the problem started. The church was not supposed to be wed to any earthly kingdom, but rather wed to the Lamb of God and his kingdom. It is not meant to harm you personally, a catholic, but rather to point out to you when the errors began. Protestent churches are very much wed to the capitalist system as well, and you have every right to criticize us for that. If a protestent is honest, their religion is as much a cause of things like abortion, as are liberal politicians, but this kind of critical thinking (self criticism) is lacking in most churches. Protestents merely replaced one form of bondage (to the Pope), with another form (protestent work ethic/consumerism). Though the work ethic built this country, it also placed a value on human life apart from the value the Bible places on life. This was perverted to the extreme of saying if you do not have value to society, you should not live (Euthanasia). Though most protestent churches condemn abortion, and euthanasia, they do not realize that the culture they brought in made these things possible. Now I know many protestents will criticize what I said here, Just as you are critical and defensive when your church is corrected. The thing that we Christians need to realize is that it is not the church institution that you belong to that saves you, but rather it is the gospel. This is the thing we all share in common, No?
The church the bible speaks of is where two or three are gathered in His name, Not the big cathedral in rome or the baptist church where I live. Also read Ephesians 4:1-18 if you cannot understand this. especially verses 12-14.

I believe Rome is full of error… And I believe what you said about the capitalist system most certainly because I see it. I do not deny that the Church and the Pope can be in error, and I believe the the churches system could be a part of the end of the world anitchrist system, but I think that the protestants will bring us to this false system and the church will give in, the Catholic church.
Its all speculation, we cant know for sure where all this is headed. So it is insane to argue about. I am just defending that the church is not antichrist evil as some perceive. And yes, I believe Christ saves us not a religion which I know I posted before.. I do believe authority keeps things under control though, and I believe in it and not the separation of church after church. But I do desire to worship the Lord and I know the church Jesus started can only be traced to the Catholic church. And I believe in corporate worship.. We must not remain alone as scripture says in Pauls letters..
Trying to form us back as one united faith is lost in this world in my eyes.. That is that we can worship Him together as one.. In heaven though, indeed!

Thank you Lindsey, but I don’t need to hear the gospel according to Lindsey, I have the scriptures to read and pray with myself.. You ignore alot of what I say and go on a wild goose chase with scriptures.. It seems you have no interest in seeing this from both sides fairly..
God bless

I have responded to your posts. Marianne responded to others. Which post do you feel that I have ignored?

I have noticed that you did not respond to my questions on Salvation; the Sabbath; the gospel of Jesus Christ and whether or not you believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of G-d and whether or not Peter told us to pray to mary and that mary would intercede for us.

And the Gospel is according to Jesus Christ, not me.

I am serving Jesus Christ every single day that I come on here or any other blog site and each and every time that I point to G-d’s word. His word is the truth and the final authority and sheds light on any and all false teachings.

And I have read Pauls’ letters and if you notice, he was very firm in his teachings of Jesus Christ and pointing people to the truth. The Spirit of Truth is the one who will “win others for Christ”, not me.

Lindsey, if you really were serving Christ here you would not burden people with your skills of evangelization.. Very wearisome…. I am not trying to be mean, but it really does not help or work.. I know when you find the truth (of both sides) you will though..
You clearly do not read Pauls letters and try to learn and see how he tried to win others for Christ.. It sure was not this way!
Serving our own appetites will always get in the way of doing Gods will..
I wish you well!

First of all, I want to say I see the love of Jesus in both the Catholic and Protestant branches of the faith. That is what really counts.

Yes, I have a history in the Catholic church, so I do see it from both sides. I do not consider myself Catholic or protestant now. I am just a believer in Jesus. He is my Savior, and I love him.

My basis for any comments is the bible. I do know the history, and how it is taught in, and outside of, the Catholic church.

So I understand why you have this view, that Peter was the first Pope, and the church that Jesus started was Catholic. However, with study, the bible does not back up this interpretation.

Jesus started with 12 apostles. He commended Peter for his revelation of who he (Jesus) was, and indicated that it was this kind of faith he was looking for. And upon this kind of faith he would build his church.

Peter remained in Israel, from what I gather. He was one of many believers in his day, and was finally crucified for his faith. He did not appoint another “pope” to succeed him.

However, there were others who carried on the faith, in and outside of Jerusalem, but it was not the defined Catholic church we see today, or the Protestant one, that was being kept alive. It was called “the Way.”

When Constantine, who initially persecuted the believers, converted to Christianity, he made it a government institution, with a hierarchy, like governments have.

This was no longer just “the Way,” but a civil, more secular version of a simple faith.

His mother seemed devout, and went about Jerusalem trying to find holy sites, and have them preserved. This is why we have churches built on those sites today. Constantine also was trying to appease the local pagans, and made certain compromises to bring them into the faith.

While the early church, ie the way, was just a fellowship of prayer and communion, going from house to house with blessings and the gospel, and study of the Word, there were no formal sacraments, or liturgy. There were no priests or nuns. That was added later. There were pastors, evangelists, teachers, etc – the 5 fold ministry, but no one was considered “over” the others. There were just different roles saints had.

Jesus was to be our high priest, but instead, a formal office of Pope was established by Constantine. The pope was to represent Jesus on earth, and prayers, could go through him, as a priest, to God. This was actually bringing back the Jewish Cohenim role from the Old Testament.

This was unnecessary, since Jesus had indicated that the veil had been torn in the temple at his death, and we no longer needed a priest to go to God in prayer.

So, even though any one could benefit from the prayers of another on their behalf, Jesus made this unnecessary.

I have seen catholic positions on salvation that salvation must go through the Pope, and this is not biblical.

Salvation is only through Jesus.

I appreciate the respect to Mary for her willingness to be the earthly mother of Jesus. She was a saintly woman.

However, there is no co-redeemer with Jesus. No one died for us except him. And because someone said “yes” and cooperated with Jesus does not exalt them to the same level as Jesus. The Catholic church does this with Mary. What is inconsistent is that it then fails to elevate the 12 apostles and the father Joseph, to the same level, since they all actually did more for Jesus and his ministry than Mary did. The men died for their faith, she did not. The elevation of Mary is overdone. We should all admire her, but no where in the bible does Jesus ever instruct us to go to her, to get to him. I personally think it takes away from our worship of Jesus to constantly put Mary in the spotlight. This special veneration is really of sentimental origin, rather than biblical origin. Jesus is already available to us directly. We do not need an intercessor to reach him.

As far as structure and hierarchy goes, there should only be God on one level, and the rest of us equal below him. The Catholic church has too much structure, and the Protestants don’t’ have enough.

But even then, structure is NOT what saves us. Sacraments do not save us either. Prosperity messages and paying tithes do not save.

Only the blood of Jesus saves us. And only when we repent, and change our lives, and ask for forgiveness, is that salvation available to us.

Nothing else matters!

After that, only 2 commandments are relevant. Love God and love each other.

I hope that makes some of my views more clear.

What I hope here is to focus on the love of Jesus for all of us, and to unite us in that love.

Complaining about the flaws of the other is not constructive, and turns unbelievers off when they read the arguments.

You say the bible is the basis of your comments, but Constatine you mentioned is not in the bible. I asked you once before but you can let me know where you are getting your information and also what you just posted? I know it is not from creditable history…

The Catholic church is not in the bible either. It is from history also.

I understand the Catholic church claims to have started with Jesus, but that is just a claim.

Look around you in the Catholic church, and see if you can find these elements ( pope, mass, rituals, Christmas, Easter, sacraments, Vatican, vestments, confession to priest, rosaries, priest, nuns) in the bible.

This is added structure that developed over time, and became what is today the Catholic church.

Even though it is the oldest Christian denomination, it does not date back to being started by Jesus.

It developed out of “the Way.”

See Acts 9:1-2.

The Way comes from the statement of Jesus that he is the way, the truth and the life.

You have to study scripture in the light of history also.. Any theologian will tell you this.. But it must be counterbalanced with both protestant and catholic history and with the help of the Holy Spirit to get the real truth.. They are both bias of course to their view of faith..
This is all I was urging is for those who continue to condemn the Catholic church.. Study history and the scriptures, then if the Spirit really lives in you, you will know the truth of them both..
It would just be nice to know that some really are seeking to know the truth of these things.. Because if we have not seen both sides and weigh them, then we really have no right arguing about something we do not know the full truth about. And especially if we refuse to even weigh them..

Lindsey, if you really were serving Christ here you would not burden people with your skills of evangelization.. Very wearisome….
You clearly do not read Pauls letters and try to learn and see how he tried to win others for Christ.. It sure was not this way!
Serving our own appetites will always get in the way of doing Gods will..
I wish you well!

Cathy if you do not agree with all the teachings of the catholic church .Then you are a traitor! and should leave the catholic church for it will not do you any good staying around to condem yourself to hell .You cannot have 2 masters for you will love one and hate the other .you should really make up your mind and decide whether you are catholic or protestant .As for me even if just 4 people remain in the catholic church .I will still remain faithful to the Bride of Christ and that is all I have to say to all of you .So stop telling me what to do .I am responsible for my actions and no one but me will have to give an account of my faults to God .So everyone change the tune I am not interested in anything ill that you have to say about my church or my faith.Talk about God’s love for all of us, and that should be it .Brotherhood of man!

You all sound like a cult. When one condemns they all join in.. And you all do it in the name of Christ.??
Marianne you still did not tell me where your information ACTUALLY came from.. So I will end my dialogue on that note..
I think your blog is nothing but a place for people to throw stones unfortunately..
Rosa, you are going to treat me as the Pharisees did Christ because I do not believe everything you do about the church and condemn me out of it? Well, thank you! According to Jesus, I am blessed!

I gave you references…..for history Wikipedia…and for the “way” Acts 9….also, the entire new testament…..like I said…look for evidence of the catholic church in the bible….it is not there. I went to great effort to explain my views, with proper justifications. You got a copy of my answers in email as well. (did you read them?)

people are not to throw stones…..I am trying to encourage people to use an academic approach……bible quotes, scriptures, other references……

just making claims is not good enough when there is a debate going on.

There is no cult on the site. There are a couple here who have given up being understood, and are now acting silly, since they never could get their points across.

I expect people to back up their opinion, or their churches opinion, with bible scripture. This also has to be done with the proper interpretation and presentation.

Right now, if I were the teacher, I would not give passing grades to the class.

Everyone is human here. Not everyone has the talent of being able to explain themselves. But I would like to see them grow and be able to do this someday.

Wikipedia is NOT a creditable source, per theologians.. Get a history book that is credible for both sides..
My point was to point out that people need to know their scriptures in light of history.. You cant do that in a week, month or a year.. It takes several years of studying it to make a liable claim against our religions..
But it seems that your people here would rather see only their side.. I have no problem with debates I have been in very many with protestants, and misinformed catholics.. So you are not stepping on my toes here! I just prefer to give the information for those to seek it, if they dont want it I leave and go on.. This I have done and if no one is interested in seeing this fairly, I really dont want to waste anymore of my time..
No hard feelings.. It is not about a talent of explaining ourselves either, it is more and should be only about seeking the truth. This ever growing division among our churches is leading many down the wrong path, and yes we have to think even ourselves.. I was on the wrong path and suffered greatly for it at one time.. This is why I encourage and urge people to study it.. I am not in the business of persecuting people, just exhorting..

Wikipedia was only used as an online convenience. The same information can be found in history books.

I have been in the Word of God for 40 years. I am familiar with the contents. I have yet to see evidence of the current Catholic church in its pages.

True, the basics of the life and ministry of Jesus are reflected as well in catholic teachings. This is commendable, and which identifies it as a Christian group. But it is still a digression from the original faith (the WAY).

I would say many denominations are a digression now. So the catholic church is not alone in having errors.

Anyhow, the point here is not to decide which church is best, but what ideologies are correct or not correct.

Wikipedia does not give the same information as history books..
With all due respect Marianne you go around what I say.. I did not care to debate on whose religion is best, I simply wanted to give light on handling the arguments on religions the correct way, and I have made that perfectly clear many times..
I havent given my own ideas here – but everyone else has (which seems to be ok), but only the correct way to study these religions in all fairness and the necessity of using history in light of the scriptures as any theology degree would have you..
If you cant see how the Catholic church today is found in scripture than read it along with the catechism of the church..

May our words and the handling of scripture be pleasing to God!
I will leave everyone with this word of exhortation from God in scripture:

James 3
1 Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly. 2 We all stumble in many ways. Anyone who is never at fault in what they say is perfect, able to keep their whole body in check.
3 When we put bits into the mouths of horses to make them obey us, we can turn the whole animal. 4 Or take ships as an example. Although they are so large and are driven by strong winds, they are steered by a very small rudder wherever the pilot wants to go. 5 Likewise, the tongue is a small part of the body, but it makes great boasts. Consider what a great forest is set on fire by a small spark. 6 The tongue also is a fire, a world of evil among the parts of the body. It corrupts the whole body, sets the whole course of one’s life on fire, and is itself set on fire by hell.

7 All kinds of animals, birds, reptiles and sea creatures are being tamed and have been tamed by mankind, 8 but no human being can tame the tongue. It is a restless evil, full of deadly poison.

9 With the tongue we praise our Lord and Father, and with it we curse human beings, who have been made in God’s likeness. 10 Out of the same mouth come praise and cursing. My brothers and sisters, this should not be. 11 Can both fresh water and salt water flow from the same spring? 12 My brothers and sisters, can a fig tree bear olives, or a grapevine bear figs? Neither can a salt spring produce fresh water.

I would like to point out that you have not given any historical references at all.

I agree that much of the catechism is consistent with scripture.

Some isn’t.

examples:
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2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.

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968 Her role in relation to the Church and to all humanity goes still further. “In a wholly singular way she cooperated by her obedience, faith, hope, and burning charity in the Savior’s work of restoring supernatural life to souls. For this reason she is a mother to us in the order of grace.”511
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969 “This motherhood of Mary in the order of grace continues uninterruptedly from the consent which she loyally gave at the Annunciation and which she sustained without wavering beneath the cross, until the eternal fulfillment of all the elect. Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation . . . . Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix.”512

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966 “Finally the Immaculate Virgin, preserved free from all stain of original sin, when the course of her earthly life was finished, was taken up body and soul into heavenly glory, and exalted by the Lord as Queen over all things, so that she might be the more fully conformed to her Son, the Lord of lords and conqueror of sin and death.”508
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So it is just an academic look at the theology.

For Catholic: The Catholic Church through the Ages – my preference
Protestant: History of the World -by JM Roberts – my preference
For U.S history, any protestant version of your liking, but note many denominations give their own spin according to their faith beliefs.. I dont really have a preference on this one.

As far as the catechism of the church and their teachings. As I said before, I do not agree totally with all the churches teachings, but overall in my opinion they are more accurate than any other religion..
I did not and do not intend on trying to convert anyone to the Catholic faith. I was only encouraging fair scales..

It is so broad! Just as the Jewish religion was and the boys were taught early in life of the law.. That is why if you are really interested in viewing both sides accurately, you must study it this way. One or two verses is not going to do it. You can get a good indication after 6 months of reading through it.. A little bit of study is not too much to ask of our entire lives.. We are suppose to grow in knowledge of these things as scripture says.
Later I can give you a few scripture verses on certain teachings of the church. But I will not be available until later.

I was drinking my soda when I read your post and almost choked on it….LOL

Ok, with all sincerity, I am truly sorry that you feel this way. I do like you. We are all here to learn and to be corrected when we are wrong.

I do understand that our beliefs are “sacred” to each of us. We hold onto them, for they are, in a sense, what make us who we are.

Please do not feel that we are attacking you or who you are. We are not. My apologies to you if myself or anyone else made you feel this way.

What I am trying to do and still learning how to do it is to expose false teaching and doing that by comparing them to gospel of Jesus Christ.

I do this because I love Jesus and all that He is and all that He was and because of the way He died for all us.

I genuinely care about people and don’t want satan to continue deceiving them; he is a liar, a thief and a destroyer. It is he that I HATE and I want to expose him for the liar and troublemaker that he is!

Indsay .
As per stopping to post miracles and other apparitions .Not on your life! I have been fighting you in other sites ever since 2005 perhaps you have forgotten but I have not and as long as you keep on hurrassing me :I will attack you back .The reason why you do not want to see apparitions is because you are afraid ans since you are afraid. it means that you are in darkness .And I will continue to post them as long as Marianne who did invite me in in the first place will have no objections.So you better get used to it !

If you continue to post your catholic/mystic/apparitions/Mary worshiping/pope loving propaganda then I will continue to post the Word of G-d against them and “in the name of the LORD Almighty, the God of the armies of Israel…1 Samuel 17:45

Kathy I did not condemn you I simply wanted to to suggest this: Why stay in a faith that you do not agree with fully and therefore by remaining against your beliefs you could ended be condemning yourself to hell .i did not say you were condemned to hell i simply showed you that in order to be part of a faith you must accept it fully as it was asked and aspect of you in the day of your baptism. and since no one forces you to stay .Then i made a suggestion.that it was all .the problem with many catholic today is , that they listen to all the trash that it has been said about the church by the media and by rationalism.ans therefore they start to believe just like the rest of the wold and yet the remain Catholic’s .do you know what that fells like ? To me it is like an unfaithful husband who goes on having affairs with other women but still remains with the wife because of shame or convenience .Well in my books that is not acceptable ,you must choose which way to go .Cannot in any way continue to full everyone including God .You must decide .I am perhaps a bit to restricted my priest call Says to my friends not to argue with me because i am all for god and by his beliefs I am very old fashion .Well that may be true but i much rather be old fashion and know that I am doing God’s will and be saved than to do mans will and be condemned into eternal fires. again this is just my opinion!

The Welfare State and the Selfish Society Apr 26, ’11 3:39 AM
for everyone

In the contemporary world, where left-wing attitudes are regarded as normative, it is a given that capitalism, with its free market and profit motive, emanates from and creates selfishness, while socialism, the welfare state and the “social compact,” as it is increasingly referred to, emanate from and produce selflessness.
The opposite is the truth.

Whatever its intentions, the entitlement state produces far more selfish people — and therefore, a far more selfish society — than a free-market economy. And once this widespread selfishness catches on, we have little evidence that it can be undone.

Here’s an illustration: Last year, President Obama addressed a large audience of college students on the subject of health care. At one point in his speech, he announced that the students will now be able to remain on their parents’ health insurance plan until age 26. I do not ever recall hearing a louder, more thunderous and sustained applause than I did then. I do not believe that if the president had announced that a cure for cancer had been discovered that the applause would have been louder or longer.

It is depressing to listen to that applause. To be told that one can be dependent on one’s parents until age 26 should strike a young person who wants to grow up as demeaning, not as something to celebrate.

Throughout American history, the natural — or at least hoped for — inclination of a young person was to become a mature adult, independent of Mom and Dad, and to become a grown up. But in the welfare state, this is no longer the case.

In various European countries, it is increasingly common for young men to live with their parents into their 30s and even longer. Why not? In the welfare state, there is no shame in doing so.

The welfare state enables — and thereby produces — people whose preoccupations become more and more self-centered as time goes on:

How many benefits will I receive from the state?

How much will the state pay for my education?

How much will the state pay for my health care and when I retire?

What is the youngest age at which I can retire?

How much vacation time can I get each year?

How many days can I call in sick and get paid?

How many months can I claim paternity or maternity care money?

The list gets longer with each election of a left-wing party. And each entitlement becomes a “right” as the left transforms entitlements into the language of “rights” as quickly as possible.

What entitlements do, and what the transformation of entitlements into rights does, is create a citizenry that increasingly lacks the most important character trait — gratitude. Of all the characteristics needed for both a happy and morally decent life, none surpasses gratitude. Grateful people are happier, and grateful people are more morally decent. That is why we teach our children to say “thank you.” But the welfare state undoes that. One does not express thanks for a right. So, instead of “thank you,” the citizen of the welfare state is taught to say, “What more can I get?”

Yet, while producing increasingly selfish people, the mantra of the left, and therefore of the universities and the media, has been for generations that capitalism and the free market, not the welfare state, produces selfish people.

They succeed in part because demonizing conservatives and their values is a left-wing art. But the truth is that capitalism and the free market produce less selfish people. Teaching people to work hard and take care of themselves (and others) produces a less, not a more, selfish citizen.

Capitalism teaches people to work harder; the welfare state teaches people to want harder. Which is better?

“The times are grievous. The whole world is in turmoil because it has become worse than at the time of the deluge! Everything is in suspense, like a thread; when this thread breaks, the justice of God will (strike) like a thunderbolt and will complete its terrible course of purification.”
(Prophetic Vision of Sr. Elena Aiello, Foundress of The Sister Minims, December 8th, 1958 A.D.)

The Three Days of Darkness

The coming chastisement of the Three Days of Darkness. Half to three quarters of the world’s population will be killed by God’s Just Wrath
Excerpts from Yves Dupont (1922-1979)
THE ACT OF GOD

The most spectacular aspect of the Act of God will be the three days of darkness over the whole earth. The Three Days have been announced by many mystics, viz., Bl. Anna-Maria Taigi, Padre Pio, Elizabeth Canori-Mora, Rosa-Colomba Asdente, Palma d’Oria, in Italy; Father Nectou, in Belgium; St. Hildegard, in Germany; Pere Lamy, Marie Baourdi, Marie Martel, Marie-Julie Jahenny, in France. (This list is not exhaustive; many more mystics have announced the Three Days.)

Padre Pio predicted the Terrible Three Days of Darkness
Padre Pio and other Catholics eminent for sanctity, have for centuries prophesied the dreadful coming chastisement of the
Three Days of Darkness; where at least half to three quarters of the world’s population will be killed by God’s Just Wrath.

The Church does not oblige us to believe in any particular prophecy as a matter of faith [de fide], but we are indeed obliged to believe that prophecies may be made even in our own times, for this is in the Gospel [Evangelium]: the Holy Ghost will speak to many in the Latter Days.

Moreover, when an identical prophecy has been made by widely separated people in time and space, when this particular prophecy was accompanied by other predictions which have already come to pass, and when the holiness of the mystics in question has been recognized by the Church, we would be foolish indeed not to believe that the prophecy must come to pass. Such is the case concerning the Three Days of Darkness. How else could we explain that an illiterate peasant woman of Brittany is describing the very thing that another mystic in, say, Germany or Italy is also describing?

Blessed Anna-Maria Taigi
Blessed Anna-Maria Taigi (19th Century) Three days of darkness St. Peter St. Paul Designate a new Pope A great light will flash from their bodies and will settle upon the cardinal who is to become Pope. China will come into the Church
Blessed Anna-Maria Taigi (19th Century) After the Three Days of Darkness St. Peter and St. Paul, having come down from Heaven, will preach in the whole world and… Designate a new Pope A great light will flash from their bodies and will settle upon the cardinal who is to become Pope Russia, England, and China will come into the Church

“After the three days of darkness, St. Peter and St. Paul, having come down from Heaven, will preach in the whole world and designate a new Pope. A great light will flash from their bodies and will settle upon the cardinal who is to become Pope. Christianity, then, will spread throughout the world. He is the Holy Pontiff, chosen by God to withstand the storm. At the end, he will have the gift of miracles, and his name shall be praised over the whole earth. Whole nations will come back to the Church and the face of the earth will be renewed. Russia, England, and China will come into the Church.” (Prophecy of Blessed Anna Maria Taigi (1769-1837 A.D.) who was Beatified by Pope Bendedict XV in 1920.)

THE PROXIMATE SIGNS

Here are the proximate signs in their probable order of occurrence. This, to be sure, is only my own opinion, and I may be wrong for I am no prophet myself; but, after studying a large number of prophecies, this order appears to me to be the most likely:

Flouting of church laws, irreverence and immodesty in church, fall in attendance at church.
Lack of charity towards others, heartlessness, indifference, divisions, contentions, godlessness, pride in human knowledge.
Breakdown of family life: immorality, adultery, perversion of youth via the media (e.g. homosexuals giving lectures in schools), immodest fashions (e.g. mini-skirts, bikinis, see-throughs), people concerned only with eating, drinking, dancing and other pleasures.
Civil commotions, contempt for authority, downfall of governments, confusion in high places, corruption, coups d’etat, civil war, revolution. (The first four proximate signs have already come to pass, at least partly; for we are yet to see civil war and revolution in the West. But the sequence of events is not strictly chronological; there is room for some overlapping. Thus, the 5th proximate sign seems to have begun also.)
Floods and droughts, crop failures, unusual weather, tornadoes, earthquakes, tidal waves, famines, epidemics, unknown diseases (e.g. new strains of viruses).

THE WARNING

This will take place between the proximate and the immediate signs. It will be a supernatural occurrence.

During the Warning, everyone will be made aware of his/her own sinfulness, and many will wish to die, but the Warning itself will be completely harmless.

The Warning must be viewed as the last act of mercy from God, a final appeal to mankind to do penance before the three days of darkness and the destruction of three-quarters of the human race. At a time when the murder of unborn babies and the sin of Sodom and Lesbos have become respectable and sometimes legal, we should not wonder why God is going to punish mankind.

By that time, war and revolution will have already caused a high deathtoll, and Communism will be victorious, but all this will be as nothing compared with the deathtoll caused by the Three Days.

3 Day of Darkness
The Three Days of Darkness

THE IMMEDIATE SIGN

It will be a bitterly cold winter night in the Northern hemisphere. (Presumably, a very cold summer night in Australia or, by contrast, a torrid night.) The wind will howl and roar. Lightning and thunderbolts of an unprecedented magnitude will strike the earth. The whole earth will shake, heavenly bodies will be disturbed – (this will be the beginning of the Three Days). Every Demon, every evil spirit will be released from hell and allowed to roam the earth. Terrifying apparitions will take place. Many will die from sheer fright. Fire will rain forth from the sky, all large cities will be destroyed, poisonous gases will fill the air, cries and lamentations everywhere. The unbelievers will burn in the open like withered grass. The entire earth will be afflicted; it will look like a huge graveyard.

As soon as you notice that bitterly cold night, go indoors, lock all doors and windows, pull down the blinds, stick adhesive paper on vents and around windows and doors. Do not answer calls from outside, do not look at the windows, or you will die on the spot: keep your eyes down to make sure you do not see the windows; the Wrath of God is mighty and no one should attempt to behold it. Light blessed wax candles; nothing else will burn, but the candles will not be extinguished once lit. Nothing will put them out in the houses of the faithful, but they will not burn in the houses of the godless. Sprinkle holy water about the house and especially in the vicinity of doors and windows: the devils fear holy water. Bless yourself with it and anoint your five senses with it: eyes, ears, nose, mouth, hands, feet, and forehead. Keep on hand a sufficient supply of drinking water and, if possible, food also (but you can live without food for three days.) Kneel down and pray incessantly with outstretched arms, or prostrate on the floor. Make acts of contrition, faith, hope, and charity. Above all say the Rosary and meditate on the Sorrowful mysteries.

Some people, especially children, will be taken up to Heaven beforehand to spare them the horror of these days. People caught outdoors will die instantly. Three-quarters of the human race will be exterminated, – more men than women. No one will escape the terror of these days.
Blessed Anna-Maria Taigi stated in regards to this terrible Three Days of Darkness Chastisement:

“God will send two punishments: one will be in the form of wars, revolutions and other evils; it shall originate on earth. The other will be sent from Heaven. There shall come over the whole earth an intense darkness lasting three days and three nights. Nothing can be seen, and the air will be laden with pestilence which will claim mainly, but not only, the enemies of religion. It will be impossible to use any man-made lighting during this darkness, except blessed candles. He, who out of curiosity, opens his window to look out, or leaves his home, will fall dead on the spot. During these three days, people should remain in their homes, pray the Rosary and beg God for mercy.”

“All the enemies of the Church, whether known or unknown, will perish over the whole earth during that universal darkness, with the exception of a few whom God will soon convert. The air shall be infected by demons who will appear under all sorts of hideous forms.”

But, when all seems lost and hopeless, then, in the twinkling of an eye, the ordeal will be over: the sun will rise and shine again as in springtime over a purified earth.

Some nations will disappear entirely, and the face of the earth will be changed. There will be no more “Big Business” and huge factories which sap men’s souls. Craftsmanship will revive, and assembly lines will give way to the working bench.

People will return to the land, but food will be scarce for about three years. Married women will bear many children, for it will be regarded as a disgrace not to have children, – no more “career women” addicted to the “pill”. Unmarried females, – there will be many, will enter the religious orders and form large congregations of Nuns within the reborn Church. Disease will decrease dramatically, and mental illnesses will be rare, for man will have retrieved his natural environment. It will be an age of faith, true brotherhood between neighbors, civil harmony, peace, and prosperity. The land will yield crops as never before. Police will have little work to do: crime will disappear almost entirely. Mutual trust and honesty will be universal. There will be little work for lawyers, either. All the manpower which is currently taken up by the wickedness of the modern world will be released and available for the production of useful commodities. Thus, prosperity will be very great. This wonderful period will probably last 30 years approximately.

As soon as you see the sun rise again at the end of the Three Days, drop to your knees and give thanks to God.

Be warned, SPREAD THE MESSAGE, but do not fear: it would be an offense to God to show lack of confidence in His protection. Those who spread the message will be protected, but the scoffers, the skeptics, and those who dismiss the message because they are frightened, will not escape the chastisement.

WHAT TO DO NOW

SPREAD THE MESSAGE; Remain in the state of grace. Go to Mass (Note: this is not possible for the majority of true Catholics during this prophesied (by Our Lady of La Salette) “Eclipse of the Church”. See imperative information on how to fulfill your Mass obligation and about valid Confessions here. -ED) Say your rosary every day. Obtain some bees wax candles and have these blessed by a True (approbated) priest connected to Pope Gregory XVII and his Successors. Do not buy ordinary white candles; they are not made of wax. Pray for the liberty and exultation of the True Church. Say the prayer to St. Michael which His Holiness Pope Leo XIII composed after witnessing a terrifying vision of Satan’s power. Wear the Brown Scapular and the miraculous medal. Deny yourself some legitimate pleasures and entertainment; many of the holy individuals who have predicted this chastisement, insist on this. Eat sparingly, frugally, to sustain life properly – think of food as you would medicine. When the proximate signs are over, i.e., war and revolution culminating in the victory of communism, when you behold the Warning, then store up food, drinking water, blankets and other necessities.

Cardinal Manning citing the universal testimony of the Fathers of the early Church about The Apostasy “The apostasy of the city of Rome from the vicar of Christ and its destruction by Antichrist may be thoughts so new to many Catholics, that I think it well to recite the text of theologians of greatest repute. First Malvenda, who writes expressly on the subject, states as the opinion of Ribera, Gaspar Melus, Biegas, Suarrez, Bellarmine and Bosius that Rome shall apostatise from the faith, drive away the Vicar of Christ and return to its ancient paganism. …Then the Church shall be scattered, driven into the wilderness, and shall be for a time, as it was in the beginning, invisible hidden in catacombs, in dens, in mountains, in lurking places; for a time it shall be swept, as it were from the face of the earth. Such is the universal testimony of the Fathers of the early Church.”-Henry Edward Cardinal Manning, The Present Crisis of the Holy See, 1861, London: Burns and Lambert, pp. 88-90 (Click to view this tragic reality)

Three Days of Darkness Prophecy of Venerable Elizabeth Canori Mora
Ven. Elizabeth Canori-Mora (d. 1825)
“St. Peter then chose the new pope. The Church was again organized…”

“… the sky was covered with clouds so dense and dismal that it was impossible to look at them without dismay… the avenging arm of God will strike the wicked, and in his mighty power he will punish their pride and presumption. God will employ the powers of hell for the extermination of these impious and heretical persons who desire to overthrow the Church and destroy it’s foundation. …. Innumerable legions of demons shall overrun the earth and shall execute the orders of Divine Justice… Nothing on the earth shall be spared. After this frightful punishment I saw the heavens opening, and St. Peter coming down again upon earth; he was vested in his pontifical robes, and surrounded by a great number of angels, who were chanting hymns in his honor, and they proclaimed him as sovereign of the earth. I saw also St. Paul descending upon the earth. By God’s command, he traversed the earth and chained the demons, whom he brought before St. Peter, who commanded them to return into hell, whence they had come.

“Then a great light appeared upon the earth which was the sign of the reconciliation of God with man. The angels conducted before the throne of the prince of the Apostles the small flock that had remained faithful to Jesus Christ. These good and zealous Christians testified to him the most profound respect, praising God and thanking the Apostles for having delivered them from the common destruction, and for having protected the Church of Jesus Christ by not permitting her to be infected with the false maxims of the world. St. Peter then chose the new pope. The Church was again organized…”
(Prophecy of Ven. Elizabeth Canori-Mora (d. 1825) as recorded in Fr. Culleton’s book The Prophets and Our Times 1941 A.D. Imprimatur)

“The times are grievous. The whole world is in turmoil because it has become worse than at the time of the deluge! Everything is in suspense, like a thread; when this thread breaks, the justice of God will (strike) like a thunderbolt and will complete its terrible course of purification.”
(Prophetic Vision of Sr. Elena Aiello, Foundress of The Sister Minims, December 8th, 1958 A.D.)

The Three Days of Darkness

The coming chastisement of the Three Days of Darkness. Half to three quarters of the world’s population will be killed by God’s Just Wrath
Excerpts from Yves Dupont (1922-1979)
THE ACT OF GOD

The most spectacular aspect of the Act of God will be the three days of darkness over the whole earth. The Three Days have been announced by many mystics, viz., Bl. Anna-Maria Taigi, Padre Pio, Elizabeth Canori-Mora, Rosa-Colomba Asdente, Palma d’Oria, in Italy; Father Nectou, in Belgium; St. Hildegard, in Germany; Pere Lamy, Marie Baourdi, Marie Martel, Marie-Julie Jahenny, in France. (This list is not exhaustive; many more mystics have announced the Three Days.)

Padre Pio predicted the Terrible Three Days of Darkness
Padre Pio and other Catholics eminent for sanctity, have for centuries prophesied the dreadful coming chastisement of the
Three Days of Darkness; where at least half to three quarters of the world’s population will be killed by God’s Just Wrath.

The Church does not oblige us to believe in any particular prophecy as a matter of faith [de fide], but we are indeed obliged to believe that prophecies may be made even in our own times, for this is in the Gospel [Evangelium]: the Holy Ghost will speak to many in the Latter Days.

Moreover, when an identical prophecy has been made by widely separated people in time and space, when this particular prophecy was accompanied by other predictions which have already come to pass, and when the holiness of the mystics in question has been recognized by the Church, we would be foolish indeed not to believe that the prophecy must come to pass. Such is the case concerning the Three Days of Darkness. How else could we explain that an illiterate peasant woman of Brittany is describing the very thing that another mystic in, say, Germany or Italy is also describing?

Blessed Anna-Maria Taigi
Blessed Anna-Maria Taigi (19th Century) Three days of darkness St. Peter St. Paul Designate a new Pope A great light will flash from their bodies and will settle upon the cardinal who is to become Pope. China will come into the Church
Blessed Anna-Maria Taigi (19th Century) After the Three Days of Darkness St. Peter and St. Paul, having come down from Heaven, will preach in the whole world and… Designate a new Pope A great light will flash from their bodies and will settle upon the cardinal who is to become Pope Russia, England, and China will come into the Church

“After the three days of darkness, St. Peter and St. Paul, having come down from Heaven, will preach in the whole world and designate a new Pope. A great light will flash from their bodies and will settle upon the cardinal who is to become Pope. Christianity, then, will spread throughout the world. He is the Holy Pontiff, chosen by God to withstand the storm. At the end, he will have the gift of miracles, and his name shall be praised over the whole earth. Whole nations will come back to the Church and the face of the earth will be renewed. Russia, England, and China will come into the Church.” (Prophecy of Blessed Anna Maria Taigi (1769-1837 A.D.) who was Beatified by Pope Bendedict XV in 1920.)

THE PROXIMATE SIGNS

Here are the proximate signs in their probable order of occurrence. This, to be sure, is only my own opinion, and I may be wrong for I am no prophet myself; but, after studying a large number of prophecies, this order appears to me to be the most likely:

Flouting of church laws, irreverence and immodesty in church, fall in attendance at church.
Lack of charity towards others, heartlessness, indifference, divisions, contentions, godlessness, pride in human knowledge.
Breakdown of family life: immorality, adultery, perversion of youth via the media (e.g. homosexuals giving lectures in schools), immodest fashions (e.g. mini-skirts, bikinis, see-throughs), people concerned only with eating, drinking, dancing and other pleasures.
Civil commotions, contempt for authority, downfall of governments, confusion in high places, corruption, coups d’etat, civil war, revolution. (The first four proximate signs have already come to pass, at least partly; for we are yet to see civil war and revolution in the West. But the sequence of events is not strictly chronological; there is room for some overlapping. Thus, the 5th proximate sign seems to have begun also.)
Floods and droughts, crop failures, unusual weather, tornadoes, earthquakes, tidal waves, famines, epidemics, unknown diseases (e.g. new strains of viruses).

THE WARNING

This will take place between the proximate and the immediate signs. It will be a supernatural occurrence.

During the Warning, everyone will be made aware of his/her own sinfulness, and many will wish to die, but the Warning itself will be completely harmless.

The Warning must be viewed as the last act of mercy from God, a final appeal to mankind to do penance before the three days of darkness and the destruction of three-quarters of the human race. At a time when the murder of unborn babies and the sin of Sodom and Lesbos have become respectable and sometimes legal, we should not wonder why God is going to punish mankind.

By that time, war and revolution will have already caused a high deathtoll, and Communism will be victorious, but all this will be as nothing compared with the deathtoll caused by the Three Days.

3 Day of Darkness
The Three Days of Darkness

THE IMMEDIATE SIGN

It will be a bitterly cold winter night in the Northern hemisphere. (Presumably, a very cold summer night in Australia or, by contrast, a torrid night.) The wind will howl and roar. Lightning and thunderbolts of an unprecedented magnitude will strike the earth. The whole earth will shake, heavenly bodies will be disturbed – (this will be the beginning of the Three Days). Every Demon, every evil spirit will be released from hell and allowed to roam the earth. Terrifying apparitions will take place. Many will die from sheer fright. Fire will rain forth from the sky, all large cities will be destroyed, poisonous gases will fill the air, cries and lamentations everywhere. The unbelievers will burn in the open like withered grass. The entire earth will be afflicted; it will look like a huge graveyard.

As soon as you notice that bitterly cold night, go indoors, lock all doors and windows, pull down the blinds, stick adhesive paper on vents and around windows and doors. Do not answer calls from outside, do not look at the windows, or you will die on the spot: keep your eyes down to make sure you do not see the windows; the Wrath of God is mighty and no one should attempt to behold it. Light blessed wax candles; nothing else will burn, but the candles will not be extinguished once lit. Nothing will put them out in the houses of the faithful, but they will not burn in the houses of the godless. Sprinkle holy water about the house and especially in the vicinity of doors and windows: the devils fear holy water. Bless yourself with it and anoint your five senses with it: eyes, ears, nose, mouth, hands, feet, and forehead. Keep on hand a sufficient supply of drinking water and, if possible, food also (but you can live without food for three days.) Kneel down and pray incessantly with outstretched arms, or prostrate on the floor. Make acts of contrition, faith, hope, and charity. Above all say the Rosary and meditate on the Sorrowful mysteries.

Some people, especially children, will be taken up to Heaven beforehand to spare them the horror of these days. People caught outdoors will die instantly. Three-quarters of the human race will be exterminated, – more men than women. No one will escape the terror of these days.
Blessed Anna-Maria Taigi stated in regards to this terrible Three Days of Darkness Chastisement:

“God will send two punishments: one will be in the form of wars, revolutions and other evils; it shall originate on earth. The other will be sent from Heaven. There shall come over the whole earth an intense darkness lasting three days and three nights. Nothing can be seen, and the air will be laden with pestilence which will claim mainly, but not only, the enemies of religion. It will be impossible to use any man-made lighting during this darkness, except blessed candles. He, who out of curiosity, opens his window to look out, or leaves his home, will fall dead on the spot. During these three days, people should remain in their homes, pray the Rosary and beg God for mercy.”

“All the enemies of the Church, whether known or unknown, will perish over the whole earth during that universal darkness, with the exception of a few whom God will soon convert. The air shall be infected by demons who will appear under all sorts of hideous forms.”

But, when all seems lost and hopeless, then, in the twinkling of an eye, the ordeal will be over: the sun will rise and shine again as in springtime over a purified earth.

Some nations will disappear entirely, and the face of the earth will be changed. There will be no more “Big Business” and huge factories which sap men’s souls. Craftsmanship will revive, and assembly lines will give way to the working bench.

People will return to the land, but food will be scarce for about three years. Married women will bear many children, for it will be regarded as a disgrace not to have children, – no more “career women” addicted to the “pill”. Unmarried females, – there will be many, will enter the religious orders and form large congregations of Nuns within the reborn Church. Disease will decrease dramatically, and mental illnesses will be rare, for man will have retrieved his natural environment. It will be an age of faith, true brotherhood between neighbors, civil harmony, peace, and prosperity. The land will yield crops as never before. Police will have little work to do: crime will disappear almost entirely. Mutual trust and honesty will be universal. There will be little work for lawyers, either. All the manpower which is currently taken up by the wickedness of the modern world will be released and available for the production of useful commodities. Thus, prosperity will be very great. This wonderful period will probably last 30 years approximately.

As soon as you see the sun rise again at the end of the Three Days, drop to your knees and give thanks to God.

Be warned, SPREAD THE MESSAGE, but do not fear: it would be an offense to God to show lack of confidence in His protection. Those who spread the message will be protected, but the scoffers, the skeptics, and those who dismiss the message because they are frightened, will not escape the chastisement.

WHAT TO DO NOW

SPREAD THE MESSAGE; Remain in the state of grace. Go to Mass (Note: this is not possible for the majority of true Catholics during this prophesied (by Our Lady of La Salette) “Eclipse of the Church”. See imperative information on how to fulfill your Mass obligation and about valid Confessions here. -ED) Say your rosary every day. Obtain some bees wax candles and have these blessed by a True (approbated) priest connected to Pope Gregory XVII and his Successors. Do not buy ordinary white candles; they are not made of wax. Pray for the liberty and exultation of the True Church. Say the prayer to St. Michael which His Holiness Pope Leo XIII composed after witnessing a terrifying vision of Satan’s power. Wear the Brown Scapular and the miraculous medal. Deny yourself some legitimate pleasures and entertainment; many of the holy individuals who have predicted this chastisement, insist on this. Eat sparingly, frugally, to sustain life properly – think of food as you would medicine. When the proximate signs are over, i.e., war and revolution culminating in the victory of communism, when you behold the Warning, then store up food, drinking water, blankets and other necessities.

Cardinal Manning citing the universal testimony of the Fathers of the early Church about The Apostasy “The apostasy of the city of Rome from the vicar of Christ and its destruction by Antichrist may be thoughts so new to many Catholics, that I think it well to recite the text of theologians of greatest repute. First Malvenda, who writes expressly on the subject, states as the opinion of Ribera, Gaspar Melus, Biegas, Suarrez, Bellarmine and Bosius that Rome shall apostatise from the faith, drive away the Vicar of Christ and return to its ancient paganism. …Then the Church shall be scattered, driven into the wilderness, and shall be for a time, as it was in the beginning, invisible hidden in catacombs, in dens, in mountains, in lurking places; for a time it shall be swept, as it were from the face of the earth. Such is the universal testimony of the Fathers of the early Church.”-Henry Edward Cardinal Manning, The Present Crisis of the Holy See, 1861, London: Burns and Lambert, pp. 88-90 (Click to view this tragic reality)

Three Days of Darkness Prophecy of Venerable Elizabeth Canori Mora
Ven. Elizabeth Canori-Mora (d. 1825)
“St. Peter then chose the new pope. The Church was again organized…”

“… the sky was covered with clouds so dense and dismal that it was impossible to look at them without dismay… the avenging arm of God will strike the wicked, and in his mighty power he will punish their pride and presumption. God will employ the powers of hell for the extermination of these impious and heretical persons who desire to overthrow the Church and destroy it’s foundation. …. Innumerable legions of demons shall overrun the earth and shall execute the orders of Divine Justice… Nothing on the earth shall be spared. After this frightful punishment I saw the heavens opening, and St. Peter coming down again upon earth; he was vested in his pontifical robes, and surrounded by a great number of angels, who were chanting hymns in his honor, and they proclaimed him as sovereign of the earth. I saw also St. Paul descending upon the earth. By God’s command, he traversed the earth and chained the demons, whom he brought before St. Peter, who commanded them to return into hell, whence they had come.

“Then a great light appeared upon the earth which was the sign of the reconciliation of God with man. The angels conducted before the throne of the prince of the Apostles the small flock that had remained faithful to Jesus Christ. These good and zealous Christians testified to him the most profound respect, praising God and thanking the Apostles for having delivered them from the common destruction, and for having protected the Church of Jesus Christ by not permitting her to be infected with the false maxims of the world. St. Peter then chose the new pope. The Church was again organized…”
(Prophecy of Ven. Elizabeth Canori-Mora (d. 1825) as recorded in Fr. Culleton’s book The Prophets and Our Times 1941 A.D. Imprimatur)

From translation of a copy of a personal letter written by Padre Pio addressed to the Commission of Heroldsbach appointed by the Vatican that testifies to the truth and reality of these revelations on the Three Days of Darkness given by Our Lord to Padre Pio, a Capuchin priest who bore the stigmata.

JANUARY 28, 1950
Keep your windows well covered. Do not look out. Light a blessed candle, which will suffice for many days. Pray the rosary. Read spiritual books. Make acts of Spiritual Communion, also acts of love, which are so pleasing to Us. Pray with outstretched arms, or prostrate on the ground, in order that many souls may be saved. Do not go outside the house. Provide yourself with sufficient food. The powers of nature shall be moved and a rain of fire shall make people tremble with fear. Have courage! I am in the midst of you.

FEBRUARY 7, 1950
Take care of the animals during these days. I am the Creator and Preserver of all animals as well as man. I shall give you a Few signs beforehand, at which time you should place more food before them. I will preserve the property of the elect, including the animals, for they shall be in need of sustenance afterwards as well. Let no one go across the yard, even to feed the animals–he who steps outside will perish! Cover your windows carefully. My elect shall not see My wrath. Have confidence in Me, and I will be your protection. Your confidence obliges Me to come to your aid.
The hour of My coming is near! But I will show mercy. A most dreadful punishment will bear witness to the times. My angels, who are to be the executioners of this work, are ready with their pointed swords! They will take special care to annihilate all those who mocked Me and would not believe in My revelations.
Hurricanes of fire will pour forth from the clouds and spread over the entire earth! Storms, bad weather, thunderbolts and earthquakes will cover the earth for two days. An uninterrupted rain of fire will take place! It will begin during a very cold night. All this is to prove that God is the Master of Creation. Those who hope in Me, and believe in my words, have nothing to fear because I will not forsake them, nor those who spread My message. No harm will come to those who are in the state of grace and who seek My mother’s protection.
That you may be prepared for these visitations, I will give you the following signs and instructions: The night will be very cold. The wind will roar. After a time, thunderbolts will be heard. Lock all the doors and windows. Talk to no one outside the house. Kneel down before a crucifix, be sorry for your sins, and beg My Mother’s protection. Do not look during the earthquake, because the anger of God is holy! Jesus does not want us to behold the anger of God, because God’s anger must be contemplated with fear and trembling.
Those who disregard this advice will be killed instantly. The wind will carry with it poisonous gases which will be diffused over the entire earth. Those who suffer and die innocently will be martyrs and they will be with Me in My Kingdom.
Satan will triumph! But after three nights, the earthquake and fire will cease. On the following day the sun will shine again. angels will descend from Heaven and will spread the spirit of peace over the earth. A feeling of immeasurable gratitude will take possession of those who survive this terrible ordeal-the impending punishment-with which God has visited the earth since creation.
I have chosen souls in other countries too, such as Belgium, Switzerland. Spain, who have received these revelations so that other countries also may be prepared. Pray much during this Holy Year of 1950. Pray the Rosary, but pray it well, so that your prayers may reach Heaven. Soon a more terrible catastrophe shall come upon the entire world, such as never before has been witnessed, a terrible chastisement never before experienced! The war of 1950 shall be the introduction to these things.
How unconcerned men are regarding these things! which shall so soon come upon them, contrary to all expectations. How indifferent they are in preparing themselves for these unheard of events, through which they will have to pass so shortly!
The weight of the Divine balance has reached the earth! The wrath of My Father shall be poured out over the entire world! I am again warning the world through your instrumentality, as I have so often done heretofore.
The sins of men have multiplied beyond measure: Irreverence in Church, sinful pride committed in sham religious activities, lack of true brotherly love, indecency in dress, especially at summer seasons…The world is filled with iniquity.
This catastrophe shall come upon the earth like a flash of lightning at which moment the light of the morning sun shall be replaced by black darkness! No one shall leave the house or look out of a window from that moment on. I Myself shall come amidst thunder and lightning. The wicked shall behold My Divine Heart. There shall be great confusion because of this utter darkness in which the entire earth shall be enveloped, and many, many shall die from fear and despair.
Those who shall fight for My cause shall receive grace from My Divine Heart; and the cry: “WHO IS LIKE UNTO GOD!” shall serve as a means of protection to many. However, many shall burn in the open fields like withered grass! The godless shall be annihilated, so that afterwards the just shall be able to stand afresh.
On the day, as soon as complete darkness has set in, no one shall leave the house or look from out of the window. The darkness shall last a day and a night, followed by another day and a night, and another day–but on the night following, the stars will shine again, and on the next morning the sun shall rise again, and it will be SPRINGTIME!!
In the days of darkness, My elect shall not sleep, as did the disciples in the garden of olives. They, shall pray incessantly, and they shall not be disappointed in Me. I shall gather My elect. Hell will believe itself to be in possession of the entire earth, but I shall reclaim it!
Do you, perhaps, think that I would permit My Father to have such terrible chastisements come upon the world, if the world would turn from iniquity to justice? But because of My great love, these afflictions shall be permitted to come upon man. Although many shall curse Me, yet thousands of souls shall be saved through them. No human understanding can fathom the depth of My love!
Pray! Pray! I desire your prayers. My Dear Mother Mary, Saint Joseph, Saint Elizabeth, Saint Conrad, Saint Michael. Saint Peter, the Little Therese, Your Holy Angels, shall be your intercessors. Implore their aid! Be courageous soldiers of Christ! At the return of light, let everyone give thanks to the Holy Trinity for Their
protection! The devastation shall be very great! But I, Your God, will have purified the earth. I am with you. Have confidence!

(Here ends Padre Pio’s Message)

Home spared in Hiroshima, Japan . . .
There is connection between atomic explosion in Hiroshima, Japan and events in Fatima, because one group of Jesuits survived this explosion without any scratch and they lived right in the middle of Hiroshima where was center of explosion. Even theirs animals and grass on land was protected. Scientists were not able to find answer on this but theologians did: “They lived the Message of Fatima”.

Place a Crucifix on the outside of your front and back door… Protection for the Three Days of Darkness…
Jesus – “Pray and wear your sacramentals. And, also, My children, I ask you again to place a crucifix upon your door. Both front and back doors must have a crucifix. I say this to you because there will be carnage within your areas, and this will pass you by if you keep your crucifix upon your doors.” (6-30-84) (Testimonies of lives and homes saved by the crucifixes.) http://www.tldm.org/news/crucifix.htm

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Our Lady of the Roses, Mary Help of Mothers promises to help protect our children. On September 13, 1977, She said, “He has an army of ogres wandering now throughout your country and all of the countries of the world. They are in possession of great power; so wear your sacramentals, and protect your children and your households. Learn the use every day of holy water throughout your household. Insist even with obstructions, insist that your children always wear a sacramental. One day they will understand that they will repel the demons.”
On February 1, 1974, Our Lady said, “My children, know the value of these sacramentals. Guard your children well. You must awaken to the knowledge that you will not be protected without the sacramentals. Guard your children’s souls. They must be surrounded with an aura of purity. Remove them if necessary from the sources of contamination, be it your schools or even false pastors.”
This Heaven’s Personal Protection Packet is available for a donation of $5.00 plus $3.00 shipping and handling. Send $8.00 to TLD Ministries, P.O. Box 40, Lowell, MI 49331. You may use your MasterCard, VISA, or American Express and call 1-616-698-6448. Item # P5 (Order Form)

The Virgin Mary’s Bayside Prophesies book . . .
The six volumes have all of Our Lady’s Bayside messages from 1970 through 1994. Some of these have never been published before. This is a type of a survival book. It tells what is coming and how to prepare for it spiritually and materially. It is a must book for the days ahead. This is a great way to spread Our Lady’s messages to our family, friends and relatives. Item #B600 Cost $33.00 (Order Form)

Incredible Bayside Prophecies on the United States and Canada book . . .
We have researched the Bayside Prophecies on the United States and Canada and put these outstanding prophecies in a 360 page pocket size paperback book. Veronica said it was very good. It tells what is going to happen here and how to prepare for it. Every North American must read this book! Item #B2 Cost $5.00 (Order Form)

Your names have been written in Heaven… “It is not by accident that you are called by My Mother, for your names have been written in Heaven…. But with this great grace you have great responsibility to send this Message from Heaven throughout the world, for if you are able to recover just one more for Heaven, an additional star shall be placed in your crown.” – Jesus, August 5, 1975

A great obligation to go forward… “It is not by accident that you are called by My Mother, for it is by merit and the prayers that have risen to Heaven for your salvation. For those who have received the grace to hear the Message from Heaven, you have a great obligation to go forward and bring this Message to your brothers and sisters. Do not expect a rest upon your earth, for you will have eternal rest very soon.” – Jesus, June 12, 1976

The sin of omission… “The sin of omission shall condemn many to hell, be they layman or Hierarchy. I repeat: not the sin of commission, but the sin of omission will commit many to hell.” – Our Lady of the Roses, October 6, 1980

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From translation of a copy of a personal letter written by Padre Pio addressed to the Commission of Heroldsbach appointed by the Vatican that testifies to the truth and reality of these revelations on the Three Days of Darkness given by Our Lord to Padre Pio, a Capuchin priest who bore the stigmata.

JANUARY 28, 1950
Keep your windows well covered. Do not look out. Light a blessed candle, which will suffice for many days. Pray the rosary. Read spiritual books. Make acts of Spiritual Communion, also acts of love, which are so pleasing to Us. Pray with outstretched arms, or prostrate on the ground, in order that many souls may be saved. Do not go outside the house. Provide yourself with sufficient food. The powers of nature shall be moved and a rain of fire shall make people tremble with fear. Have courage! I am in the midst of you.

FEBRUARY 7, 1950
Take care of the animals during these days. I am the Creator and Preserver of all animals as well as man. I shall give you a Few signs beforehand, at which time you should place more food before them. I will preserve the property of the elect, including the animals, for they shall be in need of sustenance afterwards as well. Let no one go across the yard, even to feed the animals–he who steps outside will perish! Cover your windows carefully. My elect shall not see My wrath. Have confidence in Me, and I will be your protection. Your confidence obliges Me to come to your aid.
The hour of My coming is near! But I will show mercy. A most dreadful punishment will bear witness to the times. My angels, who are to be the executioners of this work, are ready with their pointed swords! They will take special care to annihilate all those who mocked Me and would not believe in My revelations.
Hurricanes of fire will pour forth from the clouds and spread over the entire earth! Storms, bad weather, thunderbolts and earthquakes will cover the earth for two days. An uninterrupted rain of fire will take place! It will begin during a very cold night. All this is to prove that God is the Master of Creation. Those who hope in Me, and believe in my words, have nothing to fear because I will not forsake them, nor those who spread My message. No harm will come to those who are in the state of grace and who seek My mother’s protection.
That you may be prepared for these visitations, I will give you the following signs and instructions: The night will be very cold. The wind will roar. After a time, thunderbolts will be heard. Lock all the doors and windows. Talk to no one outside the house. Kneel down before a crucifix, be sorry for your sins, and beg My Mother’s protection. Do not look during the earthquake, because the anger of God is holy! Jesus does not want us to behold the anger of God, because God’s anger must be contemplated with fear and trembling.
Those who disregard this advice will be killed instantly. The wind will carry with it poisonous gases which will be diffused over the entire earth. Those who suffer and die innocently will be martyrs and they will be with Me in My Kingdom.
Satan will triumph! But after three nights, the earthquake and fire will cease. On the following day the sun will shine again. angels will descend from Heaven and will spread the spirit of peace over the earth. A feeling of immeasurable gratitude will take possession of those who survive this terrible ordeal-the impending punishment-with which God has visited the earth since creation.
I have chosen souls in other countries too, such as Belgium, Switzerland. Spain, who have received these revelations so that other countries also may be prepared. Pray much during this Holy Year of 1950. Pray the Rosary, but pray it well, so that your prayers may reach Heaven. Soon a more terrible catastrophe shall come upon the entire world, such as never before has been witnessed, a terrible chastisement never before experienced! The war of 1950 shall be the introduction to these things.
How unconcerned men are regarding these things! which shall so soon come upon them, contrary to all expectations. How indifferent they are in preparing themselves for these unheard of events, through which they will have to pass so shortly!
The weight of the Divine balance has reached the earth! The wrath of My Father shall be poured out over the entire world! I am again warning the world through your instrumentality, as I have so often done heretofore.
The sins of men have multiplied beyond measure: Irreverence in Church, sinful pride committed in sham religious activities, lack of true brotherly love, indecency in dress, especially at summer seasons…The world is filled with iniquity.
This catastrophe shall come upon the earth like a flash of lightning at which moment the light of the morning sun shall be replaced by black darkness! No one shall leave the house or look out of a window from that moment on. I Myself shall come amidst thunder and lightning. The wicked shall behold My Divine Heart. There shall be great confusion because of this utter darkness in which the entire earth shall be enveloped, and many, many shall die from fear and despair.
Those who shall fight for My cause shall receive grace from My Divine Heart; and the cry: “WHO IS LIKE UNTO GOD!” shall serve as a means of protection to many. However, many shall burn in the open fields like withered grass! The godless shall be annihilated, so that afterwards the just shall be able to stand afresh.
On the day, as soon as complete darkness has set in, no one shall leave the house or look from out of the window. The darkness shall last a day and a night, followed by another day and a night, and another day–but on the night following, the stars will shine again, and on the next morning the sun shall rise again, and it will be SPRINGTIME!!
In the days of darkness, My elect shall not sleep, as did the disciples in the garden of olives. They, shall pray incessantly, and they shall not be disappointed in Me. I shall gather My elect. Hell will believe itself to be in possession of the entire earth, but I shall reclaim it!
Do you, perhaps, think that I would permit My Father to have such terrible chastisements come upon the world, if the world would turn from iniquity to justice? But because of My great love, these afflictions shall be permitted to come upon man. Although many shall curse Me, yet thousands of souls shall be saved through them. No human understanding can fathom the depth of My love!
Pray! Pray! I desire your prayers. My Dear Mother Mary, Saint Joseph, Saint Elizabeth, Saint Conrad, Saint Michael. Saint Peter, the Little Therese, Your Holy Angels, shall be your intercessors. Implore their aid! Be courageous soldiers of Christ! At the return of light, let everyone give thanks to the Holy Trinity for Their
protection! The devastation shall be very great! But I, Your God, will have purified the earth. I am with you. Have confidence!

(Here ends Padre Pio’s Message)

Home spared in Hiroshima, Japan . . .
There is connection between atomic explosion in Hiroshima, Japan and events in Fatima, because one group of Jesuits survived this explosion without any scratch and they lived right in the middle of Hiroshima where was center of explosion. Even theirs animals and grass on land was protected. Scientists were not able to find answer on this but theologians did: “They lived the Message of Fatima”.

Place a Crucifix on the outside of your front and back door… Protection for the Three Days of Darkness…
Jesus – “Pray and wear your sacramentals. And, also, My children, I ask you again to place a crucifix upon your door. Both front and back doors must have a crucifix. I say this to you because there will be carnage within your areas, and this will pass you by if you keep your crucifix upon your doors.” (6-30-84) (Testimonies of lives and homes saved by the crucifixes.) http://www.tldm.org/news/crucifix.htm

Heaven’s Home Protection Packet…
Our Lord stated we must have crucifixes upon the outside of all of our outside doors. In the “Heaven’s Home Protection Packet” there are instructions, four crucifixes, and a tube of special cement for wooden or metal crucifixes. Wooden crucifixes adhere better to the doors when the aluminum strap is removed from the back. Put a light coat of cement on the back of the crucifix and then press it to the outside of the door. If you have any problems, you can call us at 616-698-6448 for assistance. This Heaven’s Home Protection Packet is available for a donation of $7.00 plus $3.00 shipping and handling. Send $10.00 to TLD Ministries, P.O. Box 40, Lowell, MI 49331. Item # P15 (Order Form)

Heaven’s Personal Protection Packet . . .
Our Lady tells us to be protected from all evil, we must wear the following sacramentals around our necks: a rosary, a crucifix, the St. Benedict medal, Our Lady of the Roses medal, the Miraculous Medal, and the scapular. We have all of these sacramentals in a packet we call “Heaven’s Personal Protection Packet.” This packet is available for a donation of $5.00 plus $3.00 shipping and handling. Send $8.00 to TLD Ministries, P.O. Box 40, Lowell, MI 49331. Item # P5 (Order Form)

Our Lady of the Roses, Mary Help of Mothers promises to help protect our children. On September 13, 1977, She said, “He has an army of ogres wandering now throughout your country and all of the countries of the world. They are in possession of great power; so wear your sacramentals, and protect your children and your households. Learn the use every day of holy water throughout your household. Insist even with obstructions, insist that your children always wear a sacramental. One day they will understand that they will repel the demons.”
On February 1, 1974, Our Lady said, “My children, know the value of these sacramentals. Guard your children well. You must awaken to the knowledge that you will not be protected without the sacramentals. Guard your children’s souls. They must be surrounded with an aura of purity. Remove them if necessary from the sources of contamination, be it your schools or even false pastors.”
This Heaven’s Personal Protection Packet is available for a donation of $5.00 plus $3.00 shipping and handling. Send $8.00 to TLD Ministries, P.O. Box 40, Lowell, MI 49331. You may use your MasterCard, VISA, or American Express and call 1-616-698-6448. Item # P5 (Order Form)

The Virgin Mary’s Bayside Prophesies book . . .
The six volumes have all of Our Lady’s Bayside messages from 1970 through 1994. Some of these have never been published before. This is a type of a survival book. It tells what is coming and how to prepare for it spiritually and materially. It is a must book for the days ahead. This is a great way to spread Our Lady’s messages to our family, friends and relatives. Item #B600 Cost $33.00 (Order Form)

Incredible Bayside Prophecies on the United States and Canada book . . .
We have researched the Bayside Prophecies on the United States and Canada and put these outstanding prophecies in a 360 page pocket size paperback book. Veronica said it was very good. It tells what is going to happen here and how to prepare for it. Every North American must read this book! Item #B2 Cost $5.00 (Order Form)

Your names have been written in Heaven… “It is not by accident that you are called by My Mother, for your names have been written in Heaven…. But with this great grace you have great responsibility to send this Message from Heaven throughout the world, for if you are able to recover just one more for Heaven, an additional star shall be placed in your crown.” – Jesus, August 5, 1975

A great obligation to go forward… “It is not by accident that you are called by My Mother, for it is by merit and the prayers that have risen to Heaven for your salvation. For those who have received the grace to hear the Message from Heaven, you have a great obligation to go forward and bring this Message to your brothers and sisters. Do not expect a rest upon your earth, for you will have eternal rest very soon.” – Jesus, June 12, 1976

The sin of omission… “The sin of omission shall condemn many to hell, be they layman or Hierarchy. I repeat: not the sin of commission, but the sin of omission will commit many to hell.” – Our Lady of the Roses, October 6, 1980

My gift to help spread Our Lady of the Roses’ messages to the world.
Amount: $

We encourage everyone to print or email copies of this web page to all the Bishops and all the clergy. Also, email or send this web page to the news media and as many people as possible.

And many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Mat 24:11

Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 1 John 4:1

For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 2 Timothy 4:3

And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve. 2 Corinthians 11:14

But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud,… 2 Timothy 3:1

Severe weather in April has been active and destructive. The month is not only ending with multiple severe weather outbreaks but is also ending with widespread flooding in the mid-Mississippi and Ohio Valleys.

“A significant and life-threatening severe thunderstorm and tornado outbreak is on tap for Wednesday. Thursday, the front will sweep through the East Coast with possible damaging winds, hail and isolated tornadoes. You can track the dangerous storms using the radar, watch/warning and forecast maps below. As always, tune into The Weather Channel for the latest updates and analysis!”

In case people do not realize, but at the beginning of the 20th Century, we (the U.S.) had some pretty severe weather also, not to mention the BIG San Francisco earthquake(forgive me if my dating is a little incorrect)! “All-In-All”, extremes of weather in locations not “known” for “extremes of weather”, are ALL susceptible to extremes. A “swarm” of tornadoes? It happens! Does it happen everyday? NO. But, they do occur! No real mystery! I do however like the relationship that Marianne “first” made! If we look beyond the “physical weather characteristics of, tornadoes, we can see how Biblical Scripture is referring the “End Times” effects of social deviation from that of Jesus, God, and the Scriptures!

Oh yeah! The reason I was writing this in the first place was about your comment on, “…divide Israel/Jerusalem…”, isn’t that how Satan works? DIVIDE AND CONQUER???

That is incredible! We only hear of a few and this technology he has is showing it on a literal global scale! A lot of birth pangs……..I was screaming epideral before I even got to this point! Just sayin….

One thing to remember is that the pope and bush both believe there is more than ONE WAY. The pope goes thru Mary and who know what Bush does….LOL I have read where he and his father, Bush sr, are part of the “skull and bones” society which is linked to the illuminati.

And I do have several catholic friends. In fact, Several of them left the catholic church and are now saved through Jesus Christ and attend a Baptist church. Been friends with them for almost 25 years. The other one still attends mass but because of her father who is a devout catholic; she told me last year that she thought this new pope is ‘shady’; he gives her the creeps.

We can be friends Rosa. But to be friends there has to be respect and honesty. If I didn’t tell you that Jesus Christ is the only way, the truth and the life then I wouldn’t be a friend now would I? 🙂

I asked a friend of mine who is part of the “Proof Directory” website as to whether or not, the “Catholic Church” was actually the “…only Church we were left with…” I asked, due to the fact, that I have NEVER come across such a “BOLD” statement from anyone! Much less ever having read this in the Scriptures! But then, who am I? Perhaps it is in the Scriptures…right? NOT! “Proof Directory”, is a Christian website that follows NO Religious beliefs except one (as do I), “…the teachings of Jesus Christ…”

So…rather than explaining Scripture due to the interpretation of “man”, they use “Scripture” to interpret…”Scripture!” In this way, “man’s” interpretation and “bias” is removed and only the “Word of God is used to interpret the Word of God!” (did i say that right???)

Anyway, my question was as stated above, “Is the Catholic Church the only church we were left with as I thought we were left to follow in the steps of Jesus Christ?” This is the reply I received and am “reprinting” with permission:

You have a very good point, as far as those who follow Jesus are concerned, the word “Christian” applies to us all. I have discussed the issue of which church, so to speak, Jesus left behind, and it is all and any EXCEPT the Catholic Church at the present time! I’ll take the liberty of sharing a few points on this matter: Catholics use some verses from Matthew 16 (i think) in pointing out that Jesus told Peter that he was the rock upon which the church would be built, and that since Peter, the Catholic Church has taken it upon themselves, through the popes, to be expositors of the truth. However, a careful reading of that verse in Matthew 16 shows that Peter was NOT the rock upon which Jesus built His church, rather, the faith of Peter in confessing Jesus as the Messiah, shared in the passage, is the rock that Jesus would build His church upon. Further proof of this is the fact that a couple of verses later, Jesus scolds Peter as the devil for trying to stop Him from going to Jerusalem and dying for our sins.

NOW, for those of you that do not wish to take what I have presented, and the other Christians have posted, then please, please, look these references up for yourselves! However, “IF”, your eyes have been, “bound-up” (as described in the Scriptures of those in the “End Times”), then no matter what “we” (Christians) post, and no matter what you “read” in the Scriptures, you will NOT know, the “TRUTH!”

As long as “we as Christians” have made an attempt to deliver the “Good News!”, then we “have” followed in the teachings of Jesus Christ! AND, if one person is “allowed” to see the “Truth”, then, “Praise be to God in the name of Jesus Christ!”

I am so sorry that his all happen, but it was not like you were not warned before .Perhaps next time you will listen to what God is telling you .Stop judging the Catholic Church otherwise you are going into a lot more of this,until there is nothing left of you on earth. The message that I posted 3 days ago was given to me by God.

I am thankful to God that my family in the South has been spared, and all the tornadoes touched down north of their location, AR. They praise constantly and go to church, I believe more than ever. I am happy and thankful.

The one “tornado” in PR is something I’d have to research; what is rarely seen are the ones you call sea tornadoes, we call it in Spanish “trombas marinas” (marine whirlwind). The one time we concluded a tiny one formed was when a hurricane was hitting us. But nothing was officially confirmed on the media.

I don’t like them. I have no time to prepare, contrary to hurricanes and tropical storms.

Hmmm. I didn’t have to go far up the thread to figure out there’s the religion fight thingy going on again. Gee, I am not pounding my chest pontificating about my faith, why are most of you doing this?

Leatherneck
With all do respect .Europe union and the rest of the world will get what they deserve but this message was not directed to them at this time .it was directed to the United States and no one else .Besides why are you still in denial .when in truth you know that the punishment is well deserved.And it is not other countries that are leading the world but is the United States and Canada .Noticed how Canada is having also all sorts of calamities happening right now and the reason being because they we are the leading evil across the world in abortion, ,Homosexual marriages, and and so on but most of all a new age religion. So but it is was not for them that the warning was giving but for you .Stop being so defensive and realize that God sees and knows all and will apply His just punishment to all that deserve it .let God do the judging. Stay out of His Pope business and His Catholic people.God alone is the ultimate Judge and does not need anyone to do His work.

I wrote “crap” not the other. I guess the French don’t have a “word” for that…LOL

And yes, anything not of G-d and is contrary to the gospel of Jesus Christ is crap.

And Yes, I am absolutely, beyond a shadow of a doubt a bible thumping, tongue talking, holy ghost filled child of G-d!! woo hoo! I love Jesus with all my heart, mind and soul and HE IS the SON of G-d, and that is very much something that the devil can’t stand to hear nor can he say it!! AMEN! 🙂

Ok .Since once again I am being mistreated in this site and really i have over 1200 email in my 2 sites not counting other 80 groups that I belong to that need my attention ,I have decide to leave you be for now .And check back once in a while.I do not want to be in the company of trash such as Lidsey and Lethernech and others alike .Because if I continue I will really start fighting back and that takes a toll on me .So I will leave you for now and let God take care of His own.Until later
Good readings!

Exhibit A: “O Vassula! My Abel shall live this time sincerity will abolish evil,1 blessed are those who stimulate My Word, blessed are My sheep

who recognize My Voice, blessed are those who will feed My lambs again,

blessed are the simple in heart, blessed are those who will pray the Rosary on the day of Garabandal’s sanctification2 and whose knees are bent and hail My Mother, blessed are those who will carry My Cross of Peace and Love uniting blessed are My sheep who return to Peter, blessed are those who humble themselves and follow My example, blessed are those who follow My command and love one another as I love you, blessed are those who bear witness of Me and are not scandalized in Me, ”

Yes, and also that “jesus” is telling vassula to kneel and “hail My Mother” and “return to Peter”.

1) there is obviously catholic undertones and 2) Jesus NEVER told us to do any of these

The latter is my strongest case for objection being that the scriptures do not support the statements made regarding rosaries, mary and peter.

Further, I have yet to find vassula’s statement of beliefs. I am looking to see if she believes that Jesus is the Son of G-d; I have to yet to find that.

Notice how there is a twisting of truth intermingled with lies. This is how the devil works….just read back over the conversation between Jesus and the devil in the wilderness.

Jesus obviously knew HIS WORD well enough to know how to respond to the devil. The devil knows scripture too and since he is the “father of lies” he also knows how to manipulate them and add to and take away from….very cunning. We have to be careful and not get sucked into this new age “*&^(” for a better word 🙂

Exhibit B)
(Message for Nice to be read on February 11, from our Holy Mother.)

“peace be with you, My little children; I am your Celestial Mother, the Mother of your Saviour, the Mother of your Redeemer; today I invite you all to look for the things that are in Heaven; I ask you to detach yourselves from the principles of this world and lift your heads towards heaven, seek all that is heavenly; seek the Light and the Light shall not fail you;”

2 Corinthians 11:13For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. 14And no wonder, FOR SATAN HIMSELF MASQUERADES AS AN ANGEL OF LIGHT. 15It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

Galatians 1:8 But even if we OR AN ANGEL FROM HEAVEN should preach a gospel OTHER THAN THE ONE WE PREACHED TO YOU, let him be eternally condemned!

Ephesians 6:12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

Matthew 4:10 Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.'”

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If I am The Way, The Truth And The Life, why do you hold back those who love Me? Don’t you see that they are My children too? All those who follow a righteous life will rejoice in My Kingdom and will enjoy eternal life, next to My Father.

Remember what I said when I walked on the Earth, when I said “Love thy neighbor?” What do you think it means?***********************************************
Just prayed. I believe this was the Lord addressing lyndsey and I hope it fixes this nonsense.

Are these words from vassula? notice “All those who follow a righteous life”…..now this would not be easily discerned by someone who doesn’t know the scriptures or KNOWS what Jesus really said.

Following a “righteous life” does not SAVE ANYONE. Salvation is believing that Jesus Christ is the Son of G-d and that He died on a cross for our sins and was raised from the dead!

John 3:16, For G-d so loved the world that He gave HIS ONLY SON that whosoever should believe IN HIM should never perish but have everlasting life

Never did G-d say that we had to live a righteous life; NO ONE is able to live a righteous life and even if they tried, this would never save them.

Do you see how “clever” the devil is in how he worded this?

The L-rd absolutely is NOT addressing me through a mystic! That I am most confident 🙂

What is most often misunderstood among these posts is that people ASSUME that I do not “love my neighbor” because I am pointing out what Jesus says versus what the catholic church says. If I didn’t love my neighbor then I wouldn’t care to show the truth. And you know what? Jesus would say to me “why did you remain silent?

Catholics believe Jesus is the son of God, and that he died for our sins.

*then why do they pray to mary and claim she talks to them and claims she is the co redeemer?

You are condemning a faith you don’t seem to know much about.

*what more is there to know? they worship the pope and mary and saints and now vassula

I see no love in your approach.

*you are right and in my defense, I am exhausted and I am spiritually drained. And G-d knows this and He also knows I gave it my best effort. I am also at the point that I don’t care in that I say “let them continue worshiping their idols and praying their hail marys.” This tells me I need to leave at this point. I have said and done all that I can do and I really don’t want to to do this anymore.

Your words are cheap here.

*my words are absolutely nothing compared to G-d’s words and even His words aren’t reaching them.

You use the excuse of the “truth” to vent hostility.

*again, I am exhausted. It is time for me to move on because I am stressed of this; it is coming out in my posts and in my tone. I am done for now.

There is no grace when a human, or religion cheapens grace by stating G-d is less Holy, and can come down a little bit, and accept these works as part of grace.

The sermon on the mount is not about ethics, it is about a choice. Choose G-d’s kingdom through Christ, or choose man’s attempt to do good things which please G-d.

We can do nothing to please G-d for our salvation.

This is what is making some people angry. On one side there are Christians who believe they can do nothing to gain slavation, and must accept Christ’s blood only. Then, there are those who believe by stating Christ’s work, rituals, and doing works get one to heaven.

One side has G-d’s kingdom in their heart, the other has man’s false religion. It is not about who is more perfect.

Hello folks
I do not really want to get involved, but I must make a distinction here. The catholic church has added to the faith a WHOLE LOTTA works.

If a person is a christian, they will admit that all those works do not add up to a hill of beans compared to the cross. In other words, the catholic church, by adding to the faith is somehow saying that Christ’s sacrifice is not enough, or that man’s works merit salvation.

Now if that catholic is praying to mary, or carrying her beads, to express their devotion to Christ, or to glorify Christ, then it should not be frowned on.

Marianne, this is what I see you are saying. what Lindsey is saying is that our friend is adding to the gospel. Not to be a peacemaker or anything, but in a way you are both right to say what you are saying, (although a different tone would be better).
Lindsey, What I see in you, is someone who does not know many catholics. Most catholics are not like our friend. They rest their faith on the Gospel, and Grace, and merely Do the other things because of that tradition in their families. Many of them in fact would be laughing with you about how “crazy” their religion is. That does not mean that there are not those out there who are wrong in their beliefs, and put too much faith in works, thereby cheapening the sacrifice on the cross. For these people, we need to point out where their faith veers from the Gospel, and let them be. Arguing with them only makes them less responsive to the work others may do in the future. This is where love comes in when dealing with these sorts of people. Much like you do not like it when you are told you are in the wrong, these catholics do not like it either. The best way to handle this is to point out their error, and then let them figure it out themselves. If they are called by the Lord, he will reach them. Salvation in ourselves is not of our own doing, neither is salvation in others of our doing. The reward we get for sharing the Gospel is far better if we get it in heaven than here on earth.

Now I know people come on this sight looking for an arguement, even these people need to hear the gospel. Argue with them with logic, share the Gospel, and then let the lord do his work.

If you need an example, and not to pat myself on the back, look on the how the apostles died page and see how I dealt with Anders. Marianne also had this happen with a muslim on another page, but I cannot remember what it was. Anyway, with Anders, I know now that he heard the Gospel, and it is in the Lord’s hands to control the outcome, not mine.

What we are talking about here comes down to a control issue. Two wills, not wanting to let go of their beliefs, this is not beneficial to the work of God. He wants us to submit to his will, and He is the only one that deserves to have control of our lives. Is this not what our Christian walk is about, Casting our Burdens on the cross, and letting God control our lives, (aka, following his example).

Now Lindsey, I understand what you are trying to do for Rosa, in bringing her to the Truth, and you must continue speaking out, but the problem comes in when you are trying to control the outcome.

I Hope and pray that what I say is taken as correction, and not condemnation; in Godly love and not hatred.

We pray and hope our nation is out of dividing the land of Israel and yet the nation goes forward yet with yet more trash.
Tell me the devil isn’t in the middle of this one. He knows it will bring problems. I am tired of weeping the whirlwind for a
government that just acts like it can snub its nose and God and he doesn’t care.

It is as if the leaders of this nation only have a Bible for swearing? A man who doesn’t believe in God thinks nothing about doing this. President Obama isn’t a believer who wished the middle east good and well for all of their passing holidays over the past few weeks. Passover or Easter with regard to Jesus Christ?

We should tell the whole government if any are Christians that they should be a shamed. This is the type of things read of in the bible. She took her Dads idols? He went in the belly of
the boat to sleep? We need to stop our suffering and take back
our nation from the wickedness.

President Obama isn’t a Christian, he isn’t a man of faith.

The word says: I Corinthians 6:9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders.

Pattie
God’s kingdom is not of this world. No one who has not repented of their sin, and believe that Christ is Lord can enter it. Christians are sinners as well as those listed, but we have the blood of Jesus to cleanse our sin.

Lidsey .
If have sat as a judge for God’s children .Therefore you consider yourself a God .That my friend is a n abomination! and i do not have to use the bible to tell you what I see in You and it is not God but PRIDE .and pride belongs to the father of all liars .

I response to Lindsey .
Mary is death.
No your are the one who is a corpse and are engulfed in your own darkness .Mary the Holy Mother of Jesus and my Mother is alive and well.How dare you referring to the Holy Mother of God as if she was you? She is the Mother of God. The Mother of Jesus, The Spouse of the Holy Spirit, and the Daughter of the Father. So to everyone who thinks like this evil women Lindsey .Watch it! For God’s patients are running out!

Usually I have time to think and reflect upon the things of God and write posts to inform or hopefully inspire others.

You have both disrupted the site with fighting, and kept me from prayer and meditating upon the Word this week, because I have to constantly come in to monitor, and see what insult or negative remark has been said. Who do you think you are really serving by this?

You are stressing me out, and neither of you reflect the guidance of the holy spirit if you are at war, instead of peace.

It IS possible to disagree without attacking.

Believe it or not

This constant fighting has to stop or I will have to block both of you until you both calm down.

Fighting does not honor God, even if you think you are defending a belief.

Rosa I didn’t go up the thread to avoid precisely this but I was compared to some person…did that person posted in this thread or another one?

What I wrote didn’t come from me. I prayed before I typed and I saw it didn’t work. They don’t understand who Padre Pío of Pietrelcina is, all the suffering he went through and all the charity work he did while alive (check YouTube for a movie based on his life).

1,082,368,942. So far all these souls (you and I included) will visit Hades and have an eternal burning at the fires of hell. Why? They’re all Catholics. And I am quite an open-minded person, but I don’t like to be challenged because then I must dig my heels.

When I wrote in another thread that if this kept happening I was going to stop visiting this site I meant it. I never got an answer back. I can pray and meditate again on what I can pass on to the thread but I don’t think that if Jesus Christ Himself dropped on her house and payed her a visit would work.

It’s that simple. What I read here won’t deter me nor stop me nor question why I am praying a 54-day Novena. It’s not easy to pray while seeing in your mind Christ being nailed on the cross. God is God, the Alpha, Omega and His will is done on Earth and in Heaven. I could write a lot more about God, but I won’t.

For other faiths, Jesus sprouted from a pod. Mary just popped him out and THE END. She didn’t even have contractions. Boy was she lucky!/sarc

I believe that I was led to post that before work today. I just now sat down and listened to the words…reading the words and was amazed! He amazes me all the time! Always putting a smile on my face and tears in my eyes-tears of joy 😉 LOL

I also remember running into Jeremy Camp last year at a Christian BookStore. Had heard his name but really didn’t know who he was as an artist. He was my first celebrity that I have met. A year later-this evening- I looked at his autograph again and saw the scripture that he signed Acts 20:24

And this is what that verse says…Acts 20:24-48
24 However, I consider my life worth nothing to me; my only aim is to finish the race and complete the task the Lord Jesus has given me—the task of testifying to the good news of God’s grace.

If that doesn’t speak to you what will! I am receiving the above song (given by the HS) and verse that was given to me by the artist, Jeremy, as G-d’s way of speaking to me. And I so needed to hear from Him!

It is my hope that others will be blessed by that song and verse as I am. 🙂

“…don’t worry…be happy!” As you and Marianne, along with myself and others, have “spread” the “Good News!” as Jesus instructed! Like Marianne said, that is ALL we can do! It is up to the individual to find the “truth”, “we” cannot do that for them.

Thanks for the song, I like it!

btw – I believe I read in a post by someone within this thread that “their” eyes have been “opened” to the truth through the discussion that has occurred here! That alone is reason to “celebrate!”

You wrote “btw – I believe I read in a post by someone within this thread that “their” eyes have been “opened” to the truth through the discussion that has occurred here! That alone is reason to “celebrate!”

God Bless!”

*I had recently prayed and asked G-d for “at least 1″…..thank you so much! You have no idea how that touched my heart.

I am very grateful for your words of encouragement and support my friend!

In response to Marianne -re- Lindsey
Surely Marianne you must see that her viper attacks have not stop for one minute. all the warnings given to you people by God through the messages of Vassula and others .you people mock god his prophets and His saints and even His Holy Mother .How can anyone aspect to escape God’s justice? Can one be so blind as to follow a loser like Luther in one of the biggest lies and deception of all times without knowing that his path is leading him/her to hell? About Vassual’s messages .She is not the way who writes it Jesus is the author of the messages .So to call those messages false and shit ,It is a great sin because the hand of god has written them .Except for the part where Vassula is speaking to the Lord .The rest of the message comes from god both the Father and son and even the Holy Spirit as well our Holy Mother .So when you attack the messages .You attack God .Why is it Marianne that you will accept anyone else prophecy included the girl from I believe Equator but will reject and mock any of the catholic Prophecies?

“can one be so blind as to follow a loser like Luther…”
Rosa, these are the kind of statements that you make that lead to the “viper attacks”. If you want them to end, you must stop making these statements.
The Hand of God also led Luther to write the 95 theses and nail them on the door at Wittenberg. He was responding to a church that was charging for indulgences, and letters of pardon for sin. In other words, extortion. The Grace of God, however is a free gift, as Luther says in his theses: “62 The true treasure of the church is the Most Holy Gospel of the glory and the grace of God.” Attacking Luther, is akin to attacking the Pope or catholic prophecies. If you were really looking to bring Christians together, you would understand why Luther did what he did, but it seems to me that you are only looking to instigate an arguement.

I will have to do a search on this Vassula (?). Rosa, let’s drop it, shall we? Feels like a mule being pulled forward with a rope. I need to know if most of the ppl that visit here are Jewish. Don’t get me wrong!! Reads that way.

I am a staunch, strong supporter of Israel. HOWEVER, I can’t see myself speaking to a rabbi or more people of Jewish faith, if I know that this is what they feel for real because I read it here. It’s almost fearful if I even stand next to one! I WANT to think that they can be open-minded and listen as I try when I read here. Makes me doubt, and that’s not the way I should feel if I seek to pursue “religion/faith advancement.”

It would be a great experience for me to visit Israel on a pilgrimage trip. I don’t know if it will ever happen, given the circumstances but I can still hope.

There seems to be some sort of attempt to convert Rosa or me or someone that visits here to ________. I don’t understand that, and why. It’s not that I don’t want to speak to Jewish people-it READS like “it’s my way or the highway”, that’s all.

I read the Wiki on Vassula. So now I am informed. Now, because everything I may believe in has to be based on Scripture and I do not know for certain which Scripture is correct due to many variations of the Scripture-from just “The Law” until now, I will wish you good luck and much success in your endeavors.

Hello
I am merely trying to share the gospel with you, the simple gospel as taught by Jesus and his apostles. My goal has always been to share my faith with people. How you express your faith is between you and God, not a dictate of a person or a pope.
It is my belief that there are catholics, and protestents and orthodox christians who all share this same gospel, and express it in different ways. The problem comes when we try to defend our particular church institution, rather than acknowledge the gospel. The church is not a building, but rather the body of Christ. Just like a body, different cells have different roles, and Christ is the head, not achurch building or leader etc.
The Gospel can be simplified into two concepts:
Repentence: admitting that man is born to sin and cannot do anything to save themselves. And Belief: Believing that Jesus was God. (trinity) And that what he did on the cross was wholly sufficient to cover the punishment due us and forgive our sinfullness.
When we live by faith, we trust that these two facts are true.
In other words, we are saved by grace alone, through faith alone in the cross alone.
Now if you believe in this, then you need not be converted.

Now if one is a believer already, and wants to pray to Mary, so long as they do this to Glorify God, and edify other believers, then more power to you. If you say to others that you must pray to mary to be saved, or maintain your salvation, then we must reprove and say something, for with this sort of statement you are cheapening the Grace of God and the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross. in effect, you are saying you are not saved.
I am not trying to convert anyone into a baptist or a charismatic, or a lutheran, but rather into a Christian. The Holy Spirit will take care of the rest.

Now as a baptist, I will tell you that the catholic church is misguided on the role of baptism in the faith. But is baptism a requirement of entering God’s kingdom? No. Only repentence and belief are. Does baptism after conversion have a role to play in our faith? yes. But that is an arguement for another day.

Hi Rosa
One proof that Jesus does not speak thru Vassula.December 24 1991 “Two Lamps are shining near each other so bright, that everyone may see, but you have not understood; Our Hearts, like Two Olive Trees,…, in this Eve of My Birth.”
Bible teaches very clearly that Jesus was not born at Christmas and because Jesus cannot lye, somebody else than Jesus is speaking this December 24, 1991 text. How do you explain?

A BIG “THANK YOU!” for the video “links” you have posted! Even if I do not agree with your insights as to the “Scriptures”, I can see that your “HEART” is in the right place! For you are “truly” a “truth-seeker!” as evidenced by the posts about the HAARP!!! (and I use the word “truth-seeker” for lack of a better word)

God Bless! and keep those “links” coming! this country (the U.S.) needs an “awakening!”

Been gone a few days and here is why. The Alabama tornado hit my hometown that I lived in since I was 5 years old. Thank God I do not live there anymore, but my brother lives in the house we grew up in. That whole subdivision was sparred! Thank God! But this video is the road that takes you to my house and the green trees you see behind it at the end is the subdivision I lived in.. Everyone is ok in my family, but it was the most frightening moments of my life.. We were only miles away from the tornado when it came through. We could hear a constant rumbling noise and debris was falling from the sky.. Alabama was hit very hard.. Hope you can click on the link.

We are just devastated at the loss of our community.. There are several people we know that died and many are still missing, and people we know.. Please keep us all in your prayers! Satan has come to kill steal and destroy and it always seem to be on the ones who have it hard already, but Gods purposes will prevail through the good and bad for all people.. Its hard to take it all in, but God is working through this all!

In response to Marianne .They just honor the pope and Mary .
lets get something straight here .I have no idea were you did get that we honor the Pope .No one that I know honors the pope .and to put the Holy Mother of God side by side with the Pope is wrong .We do not in anyway consider the Pope Holy at least until after His death and even after that He still have to perform at least 3 miracles in order to be consider a saint. As for to compare the Mother of God with any other human being is dreadfully wrong ,because she is the only one worthy of such an hoonr and up to today there has not nor will ever be another like Her .as crown by her Beloved Son Jesus Christ the Queen of Heaven and the Earth and again I will tell you that God has given a great power to Her in order to interceed between Her son and His children which is us .And since you know the bible so well why do you not remember the word that Jesus spoke on the cross to His holy Mother .(Women I give you my children You shall be henceforth their mother and son behold thy mother ) From that moment forward Mary has become the mother of the world .Jesus and Mary represent the New Adam and Eve .Unlike Adam and Eve who sin against God they did the will of God and in them no sin was ever found .So they become the new Adam and Eve.Our new adopted parents and since Jesus took from Mary’s flesh she was pure before the Holy Spirit descended into her but much more after Her Holy Son lived in Her .Our Lord explain about living inside His Holy Mother womb.I have left my Heaven for another Heaven .So there you have it ! I do not aspect anyone one of you to believe anything I posted here but this I know in Jesus Name to be the truth and nothing but the truth.Too bad you people are so closed minded as not believe in the power of God .I fell sorry for you for you have no idea how niece it fells to have Jesus Holy Mother, for our mother .

Bob Wise thank you for your kind words and let me tell you also that i take no pleasure in showing you the calamities ahead of time that will come to pass ,But i know that God is trying to waken you all up from the deep sleep that you are now wrapped in .And I am afraid that the future news are worst than the first .The Lord showed me in the bible what He plans to do with America .This is more or less what I understand .The united States of America will be first ingulphed i flames of fire and then it will be turned in a desert where no human being will ever ever again live .It will be given as a haven for the evil spirits as well birds, and all sorts of animals but will never again host humans .

As I have said before, “I follow the teachings of Jesus Christ.” Nothing more…and nothing less! And the only thing I have found in the Scriptures about “our” future is that as “Prophesied” by Jesus Christ. That upon “His” return, “…we will be raised to Heaven, changed in the blink-of-an-eye, receive new bodies, and live forever!…” (paraphrased). So forgive me if I do not believe what anyone else may “proclaim” as coming from the Bible, God, or Jesus Christ! Jesus made it quite clear NOT to believe anyone making these claims as they shall be false! For when He returns, the WHOLE WORLD WILL KNOW AS HE WILL RETURN WITH THE SOUND OF A TRUMPET AND THE HEAVENS WILL SHAKE!!! (look it up for yourself…i do not remember the “exact” wording)

In a correct history book, my kind use to pray tp Tammuz, the rebirth of the Sun god Nimrod on the Winter Soltics. Sometime between the 2ed, and 5th century most of us were worshiping Jesus’s birthday on the 25th of December. The Vikings held out for a few more hundered years.

No longer were pagans inpaling slaves on Ceder trees for the spring gods like Ester the god of fertility, or burning animals, and humans in the wicker man. No Sir, we were told the stop that, and just put Christmas balls on the tree. Not much fun in that!

So, here we are. Praying to Jesus instead of the Sun god. But, adding insult to injury, my kind was sent over here to America for hunting the Kings deer, pigs, and taking a chicken or an apple now and then. I mean where is the love?

#1) US historic floods ritual may send burial vaults-caskets
Skelton remains flaoting down the river.
contact funeral homes for floating dead people and caskets
floating down in the water released in Missouri????

***people are saying it is some form of nuke power to take out the midwest?
Lord God help us, my family lives here—People say they have a schedule of 5-11
If the Bp Oil spill is size of India? Do they have to make no places to flow the water to
Start dispersing the damage and so they are going to take out their own people?

I big big thank you to Patty for this link?
So that you know it was not Patti who post the videos but it was one of my contacts from my groups that send it to me and I send it to you
Not to sound jellowse but credit should be given where it is due!

Good morning Marianne .
received this messages this morning and upon reading it felt that it is important that you read it carefully and consider our Holy Holy Mother words .

and pray accordingly .Imagine our prayers can stop all evil like abortion murder and all war in the world .I know that I am not able to explain thins the way you do mainly because I have cronic pain and that sometimes makes you forget stuff but in any case I know that you will get what I mean .
So please examine the message and if you can publish it I would be very grateful
Hugs Rosa

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AS FOR YOUR NATION I WILL MELT IT DOWN AS ONE MELTS IRON – WITH FIRE
THE SACRED HEART

January 6, 1993

Jesus? Beloved One of the Father,
my country’s1 fields are ravaged, 2
they have now become the haunt of the lizard and the spider,
are You no longer there?
Are You no longer in this nation?
Why does it make no progress?
Why are You leaving them far behind?
Death has crept in under their doors …
Son of the Almighty God,
when will You display Your Holiness in this nation? …
“Vassilia mou, yiati kles?” 3

I weep on her excessive pride …. how am I to deal with their excessive pride? they do not listen to My Spirit and are following the dictates of their own proud hearts;

Truthfully, Lord of all Holiness,
am I not doing my best to serve You,
am I not interceding for Unity?
Can I bend iron with my bare hands? 4
Your Fire though can do it.
Your Wealth and Your Treasures of Your Sacred Heart can do it.

then I will have to ask more from you …. I will have to ask more from you; all that you give Me will be to bind you all together in love, and enlighten your hearts so that your spirit may open to My Spirit who will teach you the depths of your Father in Heaven, and the hidden jewels of Wisdom;

Poverty is at Your Feet, to serve You Almighty One.

yes! trust Me; I will always uphold you, so do not fear; …. look at Me …. My palate is dryer than parchment and the Father will not bear this sight much longer; the world is offending Him and His whole Kingdom; the world has become so wicked, and My Arm cannot much longer hold away His Arm from falling upon you;5 ….

iron can be melted, so do not lose courage … do not forget that I have posted you with a sword in your hand, to flash like lightning, for the proud, these News, I have given you to carry, displease mightily their heart; They trouble their spirit and cause their knees to tremble; as for your nation, I will melt it down as one melts iron: with Fire… and they will advance into holiness;

(Message to someone from the Sacred Heart.)

Something6 which has existed, can never die, Something which revives fervour and brings visible life in My Church will never extinct;

you are witnessing the revival of My Sacred Heart with your own eyes and of the One whom you say: “I know Him and I love Him;” what is being carried out today does not go without suffering and sacrifice; I will keep alive the Devotion of My Sacred Heart and all that I have taught surrounding it; this is My Own promise; you have been given to witness the revival of My Sacred Heart so that you could give your testimony; to be the sacrifice of the One who takes your sins away is a privilege;

I accept the testimony you are giving Me in My Spirit; so what you are seeing with your own eyes is the fulfilment of your times;

Not sure what you are talking about I posted these videos about 2:00am Saturday, that is why it starts with number 1-12 videos. Video 10-12 didn’t open for me and that is why I always post the link also.

My clock on my computer needs to be reset as it says 7:05AM an the time isn’t accurate.

What am I confused about I did the contribution of Video 1 to video 12 but there does appear to be a duplicate of video 1..

I cant change who did the work, nor can anyone but Marianne.
I am not taking credit for someone else??

Help me out here I don’t know what you are talking about regarding this?? What was my statement? Sorry not sure why you are saying this tome.

Pattie
God’s kingdom is not of this world. No one who has not repented of their sin, and believe that Christ is Lord can enter it. Christians are sinners as well as those listed, but we have the blood of Jesus to cleanse our sin.

Sorry Patti but I was talking about the HAARP.This videos were posted by me.they were send to me by one of my contacts,Kind Island, he is the person responsible for all the testing and and all the posting re-weather , space and radiation that I have posted .hope that this clears who did what.

I agree with you in prayer for your safety and protection. I plead the blood of Jesus over you, and put you in the loving arms of God. I pray a hedge of protection around you, and pray the peace and presence of God over your dwelling.

The people of Joplin as we can imagine, how overwhelmed they are please pray for those who know him and those who don’t. Pray for all who lost children and loved ones and animals. It is difficult to understand this divistation but had you been through it. The word says it rains on the just and the unjust. The storm will come not when will it come, it will come to all. Please pray for all who don’t love the Jews as their selfves that they change their minds. We can not enter into Gods gates without thanksgiving for all he does, nor can we enter with hatred in our heart for anyone.

The media first said 1500 are missing but they are not certain of the number but it is above 200 known at this time. Places have been made into morgues and people still don’t have the bodies of their loved ones. They say it could be two weeks. Imagine a Mother wanting to tell her baby good bye and she can’t any have the body to hug and tell goodbye, God is trying to wake people up. Not necessary those who suffered but the world who watches. Believers must pray for the unbeliveing, there is no time it is the time of Jacobs trouble but people can still be saved. Work with your words daily testifying to the good news of Jesus and all he has done for us.

Babies are missing and young children. One young man had just graduated and was with his Dad and his cousin, I believe they were on their way home. The Boy who graduated was driving and he was crying out the word of God re-sighting the scripture in faith. There he was about 18 years of age and he was sucked out of the moon roof of the SUV they were driving.

If it can be shaking it is shaking.

Be blessed and remember all of those who are suffering in our country and around the world, that the word of God be remembered by everyone. Remembering always all have fallen short of the glory of God and none are worthy of him but by his grace and faith in him that he lives and is on the thrown we live and inherit.

Great post and you’re right since there is no way to get out of a Tornadoes way and many do not have cellars, Yahshuah did leave us something powerful. PRAYER. Even the wind and the waves OBEY Him. Peace be still.
He turned to his disciples and said oh ye of little faith when he stopped the storm with his command.

Whirlwinds are generally acts of divine judgment and we should view them as warnings from a loving God. The problem is we think we are all good and ignore the evil that is committed every day including the destruction of the natural world for profit and greed.

We would not think it wrong if a criminal was convicted and judged according to his or her crime. We would expect them to be judged. Some crimes get off with a warning. Others receive the most severe punishment.

Why shouldn’t YAH our Creator who seeks to correct us first and show us how to live have the right to judge man whom He created for His crimes against Him.

From the beginning we see how Sin which is rebellion against YAH affects everyone and everything. The first man and woman had everything the heart could desire. Yet they chose to say NO to YAH and yes to satan. Then blamed YAH. Israel did the same thing and now strangers are ruling their land. They were cast out and scattered to the four corners of the earth into enemy nations to live in slavery, poverty, cursed and hated.

They received many warnings from YAH before he finally kicked them out of Israel in shame in 70 A.D. and even took the memory of who they are away and these are His chosen people. Why do we think the rest of the world should be exempt? Remember Noah…Yes YAH is merciful, gracious and loving. Can we say the same? Would we be as merciful to the world as He has been?

More over the top weather in central US. More Americans killed. The American government is supporting the global agenda of wealth, and power. The GATT treaty zone 4 is being but in place with the blood shed of thousands. Israel is being asked to do nothing in the face of danger.

I fear the wrath of G-e the Father. We as a nation should demand the CFR controled government be tried for Treason in a time of war for supporting terror, supporting abortion globaly, as well as homosexuality.

Leatheneck . Where have you been ?.why do you not pay attention to the messages that God so Merciful inspire me to post in your group? The messages are directed not just to Canadians and others .But also to Americans .Stop being stubborn .and realize that God loves you and is warning you of what is coming .Just like the rest of us : You will have to share the Cross. I do not know about the rest of you .But i lost everything in fact i have no idea where my next pay check will come from .But will that stop me? no! because it is Satan who is doing all of this in order to make us give up .You know that the saints in order to be who they are :They have to go through purification and so shall we too have to be purified in order to be allowed in the New Paradise that is just about to happen.No one and nothing unworthy will ever enter it .so stop wining and carry the cross just like he rest of us.And remember that the servant is never above His master .Do you love Me asks the Lord? Then follow my footsteps .

I too have lost everything, and dont know where our next check is coming from and have been battling breast cancer for close to a year now. I agree with Rosa. Satan is doing his best to overcome the saints.. And in my own opinion, have you ever considered all the victims of these tornadoes are humble and poor people? Maybe – God is using them as an example to those that arent humble to consider how to endure suffering when it does come. They do good at perseverance. What will the rich do and the proud when they lose everything? Hmmm.. “Consider my brethren the patience of the prophets when they suffered” as scripture says.. If we really think that suffering is only for the wicked, then we are way off the path God wants us on. You need a lesson in the book of Job. “Indeed, those who desire to live a godly life in Christ will be persecuted” as Paul says. That would mean even by Satan through natural disasters and etc. He surely wishes to “sift us like wheat” as he did Peter.. It is the power of God in us through Christ and making ourselves clean by the power of His blood that overcomes these sufferings and our sins. And it is our FAITH – that we really do believe in the power of God that is in Christ and not trust in ourselves! Us faith as your shield and don’t doubt what God can and will do for His children.. Believe the good news! God is good!
God bless!

My heart goes out to you. Do know that there are many saints out here who care about others in your situation. It is true that acts of nature can happen to both the righteous and the wicked. It is part of living in this fallen world. We have to just keep praying for strength, and protection and provision from the Lord. You have my love and prayers.

I appreciate your love and prayers.. I pray that all those who are born again will pray for the grace to grow in the knowledge of the Lord and His will.. To strive hard to enter the narrow door.. We must stay vigilant as scripture says, “because our adversary the devil is roaming around looking for someone to devour”. He has come to kill, steal and destroy. But if we keep our hope and faith in the Lord and His power we will persevere. Those of us who are suffering, it is not in vain. Be encouraged.. “He that is in you is greater than he that is in the world.” And those who arent suffering, do not be deceived, read the letters to the churches in Revelation.. Our sufferings that come in various forms are the testings of our faith as James says.. “And let patience and perseverance have its perfect work, so that you will be lacking nothing.” It is the Lords spirit in us that gives us life and grace to do these things, it is not of ourselves.. And our sufferings serve a purpose for the whole church also as Paul says. So that those who have persevered under trials and tribulations might give hope to others in their sufferings so that we can comfort one another in all love and understanding.. Knowing that we share in the sufferings of Christ, and to find the many riches we have in Him through them.. What the devil uses for evil, God uses for our good… So when the evil day comes, you can stand firm in your faith putting on the whole armor of God and quenching all the darts of the evil one.. Please allow the sufferings of those who are in Christ and their faith to serve their purposes, by receiving it with all humility so that it benefits yourselves. It is the Lord who is working through them building up His kingdom..
God bless!

Please pray that even the atheist may repent and be saved.Remember that we are all God’s children and that He loves everyone.Special prayers are requested by the Lord our God for those leaders and others that are under the power of Satan.Please pray that God grant their freedom from any bonds that might be binding them to the evil one .Please pray also that the ant- Christ do not accomplish his ultimate desire.Thanks.

Marianne,
It is not odd to get tornadoes in Mi. what is odd is how early in the year we are getting them. Usually we are shovelling snow this time of year from late season snows, yesterday was 80 degrees!? I hear Europe is stuck in an ice age though!?
btw, I tried logging in with my email, and I have no idea what my password is, as i never remember signing in to begin with?

hey marianne,
i found your webpage today after the OK and TX tornado week, and it was good to hear that your bottom line is trusting GOD. The fear of THE LORD is the beginning of wisdom and we could all use a whole lot of wisdom. when we fear GOD and trust HIM we are always in a safe place, even when we think that we are safe…in reality we are all 1 heartbeat away from crossing over into eternity, but do we have the key to open Heaven’s doorway, JESUS is the way the truth and the life, and without HIM we will not see GOD…HE is our key into eternal life, HE is eternal life, and abundant life here, this side of Heaven and eternity. your prayer for your family, your life and your home, was the prayer of faith, and GOD was pleased that you believed HIS WORD and that you believed in HIS unlimited power. HE saved you, your family and your home that day when that tornado was a mile away coming straight for you. shalom to you and yours and maranatha !!! < 🙂 Yeshua!!!!