Really? If Max was in a faster car he would be able to do it? You didn't answer my question about your comment re champion quality, yet Max has driven for how long now and how is that champion quality coming along? You make it sound like the Red Bull is a bad car.

Also LeClerc has out performed and out driven Vettel for most of the season, yet the disrespect shown to a young driver in his 1st season with such a big team is incredible

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Most will see how events played out and say it was luck and yes that played a big part but much was discussed pre-race about the Mercs gambling by starting on the mediums and from turn 1 it seemed like it was all a bit desperate and hopeless for merc.

The only entertainment upfront seemed to be the squabble at Ferrari, this was an easy one two Ferrari threw away. Could make a big difference in the constructors standings season end.

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Really? If Max was in a faster car he would be able to do it? You didn't answer my question about your comment re champion quality, yet Max has driven for how long now and how is that champion quality coming along? You make it sound like the Red Bull is a bad car.

Also LeClerc has out performed and out driven Vettel for most of the season, yet the disrespect shown to a young driver in his 1st season with such a big team is incredible

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Most will see how events played out and say it was luck and yes that played a big part but much was discussed pre-race about the Mercs gambling by starting on the mediums and from turn 1 it seemed like it was all a bit desperate and hopeless for merc.

The only entertainment upfront seemed to be the squabble at Ferrari, this was an easy one two Ferrari threw away. Could make a big difference in the constructors standings season end.

Leclerc will argue that pre-race they 'agreed' giving Vettel a tow to get ahead of Hamilton and if that meant giving up 1st position then they would swap positions later.

I can see this being done in a team where there's a clear no. 1 and 2 driver. You can't possibly expect Vettel to help the rookie that's come in and looked faster than him most of the season. Likewise Leclerc is not going to assist his slower team mate/rival when Leclerc is looking like the fastest driver in the fastest car at the moment.

Ferrari are going to have to put team orders aside and let their drivers get on with it, problem is with just the last quarter of the season left, today's result has pretty much secured the constructors championship for merc.

Ferrari can have one two finishes from here out and score another say 220 points. Merc have a 162 point gap, they just need to score 60 points from here out and realistically probably even less than that.

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It's good hearing Binotto speaking about perfection after the race. He is trying his best to let this one run it's course and even Le Clerc sounds like he will let this "pass" like Singapore and move onto the next race because at the end of it all, Mercedes got lucky but the real problem was a Ferrari engine one, which kinda ruined the race for the fans and the team.

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It's good hearing Binotto speaking about perfection after the race. He is trying his best to let this one run it's course and even Le Clerc sounds like he will let this "pass" like Singapore and move onto the next race because at the end of it all, Mercedes got lucky but the real problem was a Ferrari engine one, which kinda ruined the race for the fans and the team.

I just hope the bigwigs don't give him the chop. He actually did well under the circumstances other than the pre-race discussion about places. This is the first time the Ferrari has been technically sound, so clearly he's the right guy for the job. They have a habit of throwing their people to the wolves at Ferrari. If he sticks around, they will be serious contenders next year, and if Mercedes don't up their game, they will walk it like Mercedes has been this year so far.

I have a lot of respect for the man. I could even support the team under him. That's saying a lot considering I've been a Macca / Merc supporter from the get-go.

Google Andrea Moda and Onyx. This is exactly what was going on with those two half-baked teams in the late 80s/early 90s. No money, no spare parts. Andrea Moda only had enough resources and parts to really hope to get one of their cars on to the grid and Onyx started using cannabalised parts from the owner's sportscar collection to keep their cars on the track. Complete joke for a team of Williams stature to be in a position like this.

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Google Andrea Moda and Onyx. This is exactly what was going on with those two half-baked teams in the late 80s/early 90s. No money, no spare parts. Andrea Moda only had enough resources and parts to really hope to get one of their cars on to the grid and Onyx started using cannabalised parts from the owner's sportscar collection to keep their cars on the track. Complete joke for a team of Williams stature to be in a position like this.

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I hope Ferrari give Vettel the boot soon. He had his shot at winning the Championship but instead he chose to put his own "spin" on it and left it to overflow into the current season. Now he is been undone by a rookie in his own team and letting his Multi-21 side come through again. Hulkenberg is available, he is German and I'm sure he won't mind being a solid no.2.