It appears that this page was coppied from Wikipedia. That's not a bad thing, but how it was is. It appears that someone just highlighted all the text of the page and then pasted it here. That shows a bad knowledge of how a wiki works, the person should have hit edit, copied the source, and then pasted it here, adding a Sources section to the page. The current content should be replaced with the text from [[Wikipedia:Shikamaru Nara]], then modified with a sources section and whatever there is to change to make the content fit in with the wiki. [[User:Dantman|Dantman]] ([[User talk:Dantman|Talk]]) 15:42, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

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:Sigh, I know. I dislike it too. Please people, if you are going to use Wikipedia make sure that you don't copy the enitre thing. It gives more work to the rest of us. -LoneWolf 5

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::No, copying all relevant content in an article is ok. You just need to edit it properly to fit in the wiki here. [[User:Dantman|Dantman]] ([[User talk:Dantman|Talk]]) 01:00, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

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Ithinkweneed to talk about the earings that Asuma gave his team, and merge it with his last smoke, to get the emotional feel, that is why shikamaru is a main character. [[User:Shikamaru1994|Shikamaru1994]] 01:47, 14 July 2008 (UTC)Shikamaru1994

I'msorry, this is todisplayinformation, howare the peoplesupposed to understandwhatkindofconnection they had...[[User:Shikamaru1994|Shikamaru1994]] 01:42, 15August2008 (UTC)Shikamaru1994

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(This also apllies to Ino Yamanaka and Choji Akimichi). I don'tthink we should add Doton to any of team Asuma members. Nature transformation, '''even if it is yourownaffinity element''', takeshuge amount of hard-work. I think they didn't use nature transformation to perform the justu.'''They used just shape manipulation instead'''. There was no need to createearth.Theground is already thereso they just had to shape it into a wall. If they had used nature transformation, their chakra would have turned to earth and caused the ground to turn into a much harder substance - that's what the real Doton users do. ''Elements' users manipulate their own chakra to give it the properties of a certain element'', like Naruto turning his own chakra to the wind element to cut the leaf. Now all these shinobies (including team Asuma) didn't do that. They just used doton seals to manipulate the surrounding earth with their own, '''ordinary chakra'''.[[User:Faust-RSI|Faust-RSI]] ([[User talk:Faust-RSI|talk]]) 05:57, May16,2013 (UTC)

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==Godfather ==

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:Which,of course, is all speculation on your part. You don't know what their chakra did or didn't do. Nor do we. We ''do'' know, however, that they preformed an [[Earth Release]] technique. All of them. Or, well, most of them. We don't know who went through what training, or when they went through it, but the fact is that it is now irrelevant. They have been demonstrated doing Earth Release, so it has been added, as has been the situation every time a character uses a nature release. Unless proven otherwise at a later time, it has, and will remain, listed. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 07:08, May 16, 2013 (UTC)

I'dprobablysaythatyou're right in that we probably shouldn't add an Earth nature to Shikamaru and everyone else who employed that earth technique in the previous chapter. This is largely because each and every Shinobi has the capacityto manipulate all five elements, but very few actually DO manage to accomplish this feat, and generally most Shinobi have an aptitude for certain elements and those are the elementsthey'remostlikelytoemploy.However,thisis all based on my own personal opinion of how we should do things but Narutopedia seems to hand out elemental natures based solely upon usage alone and not anything else; and from that perspective it would indeed be appropriate to give Shikamaru theearth nature, because we've observed him using such a technique. --[[User:Njalm2|Njalm]] ([[User talk:Njalm2|talk]]) 13:33, May18,2013 (UTC)

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:They used it, thus they can do Doton nature transformation, it's either an affinity of theirs or are skilled enough to employ more than a single nature with Doton included. There is no reason not to list them, they indeed used it.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:38, May 18, 2013 (UTC)

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Thepersonalityarticleneedstobeeditedunderwhereitsays"afterhisbattle with "Kakuzu"=> It'sreally his fightwithHidan. Andalthoughit'sonlystated in the animeitshouldbenotedunderhisabilitiesthatShikamaruhasbeenrequestedtobeoneofthe12GuardianNinja.It'llbetterexplainhowfarhe'scomeandwhyhe'sone of theonly3 to havedefeatedanAkatsukisinglehandedly. [[User:ItachiZero|ItachiZero]] 18:32, 6December2008 (UTC)ItachiZero

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::Yeahit'salittleweirdyouandIagreeonsomething,Elv,lol.But I'm with you 100% on this. If they use a Doton technique, they can clearly mold earth-based chakra. It doesn'thave to be an affinity or something they worked for, as that all is irrelevant here. When Sasuke learned (and used) his firstRaiton technique, for example, he was a user ofRaiton. Itisnotlimitedto how many techniques, or how experienced they are in the basicnature.@Njalm,bywhatlogicdoyouproposenaturesarehandedout?Whatconstitutesit?Frommyobservationalstandpoint,albeitlimited, I don'tfeelyouhaveagraspofhowthingswork,this wiki aside. And of coursethisis not me being rude, just to pointout(Iamoften told I am condescending).--[[Special:Contributions/98.101.165.89|98.101.165.89]]([[User talk:98.101.165.89|talk]])20:08, May18,2013 (UTC)

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==AkatsukiTrivia==

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:It'spossibletheyall have an Earth affinity, however Konoha shinobi typically have fire affinities. But that's beside the point. The jutsu they used was supposed to be the simplest of all Earth style jutsus. For example, when Sasuke learned his fireball technique, he was very young and didn't really go through any kind of nature training. He managed to use the fireball jutsu simply by repeating it many times. The Earth Wall jutsu could be simple enough for everyone who might have an Earth affinity to use without much training. That being said, I don't think every elemental jutsu requires a nature affinity to use it. Kakashi is pretty much capable of using almost all the elements for his jutsus thanks to his Sharingan. Supposedly only those with the Rinnegan can have the ability to use that many nature types which suggests that simple elemental jutsus don't rely on any kind of nature affinity. [[Special:Contributions/144.118.155.214|144.118.155.214]] ([[User talk:144.118.155.214|talk]]) 05:31, May 22, 2013 (UTC)

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ShikamaruonlyfoughtHidanafteralongbattlewithhis friends so he onlyfinishedoffHidanbyhimself.Lookingatitthis way Shikamaru is exactly the same as Naruto. SoifShikamaruisconsideredtobe one of the only people to beat an akatsuki member single-handedlythensoshouldNaruto

Someof you are a bit off. It isn't that merely learning basic nature transformation is difficult. You'reconfusingwhatNaruto was trying to do (building up his skill with nature transformation to combine it with the highestlevel of shape manipulation) with learning a new technique. Oh and thefactthattheywerebeing told an Earth Release technique that could "be done by anyone". [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 23:35, May 22, 2013 (UTC)

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--[[User:UchihaGlenn|UchihaGlenn]] 15:43, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

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==Jutsu==

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:You are off, first he had to manage to cut a leaf, only then could he combine that with Rasengan. You suggest that as long as there's little to no shape manipulation present, anyone can do natures. The walls looked defined enough to me though.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 23:41, May 22, 2013 (UTC)

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:Thatdepends on which part such a person would be confusing. Are you referring to the leaf training, or otherwise? Even learning basic nature transformation is quite difficult, outside of ones affinity. It is partly the reason why Jounin generally have one to two nature types versus three or more. Naruto, even with the clones, took a tad bit of time with leaf training. Of course all of this is not relevant to the topic, but nevertheless. --[[User:Taynio|Taynio]] ([[User talk:Taynio|talk]]) 23:44, May 22, 2013 (UTC)

::What a straw-man you've constructed Elveonora. First off, I saidnothingaboutthereneeding to be little to no shape manipulation present in order to perform basic naturemanipulation. I wasrespondingto something said above nature transformation "takes a huge amount of work", which isn't true. They're confusing Naruto's training (high nature manipulation with the highest shape manipulation) with what must be done by anyone (depending on the nature) with just anyone learning some basic techniques.. Naruto performed minute nature manipulation just when he managed to cut the leaf. And as Shika said, they were to be told the seals of an Earth Release technique that "anyone could perform", so clearly what I'm saying is indicatedratherclearly, unlessyou'regoing togoagainstOccam's Razorin this case, and posit something very unlikely (that dozens or hundreds of people all were trained in Earth Release)? [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 23:52, May22,2013 (UTC)

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:Those knifes are just chakra sensitive, they absorb the nature of the users chakra. [[User:Jacce|Jacce]] 07:30, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

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== When did he start playing shogi? ==

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== Intelligence ==

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A true problem solver sticks with every given problem, even at times when a solution does not seem apparent. He or she exercises total patience, assesses the situation and devises an airtight solution which shall invariably succeed to the very end of the scenario. Regardless of what scouting ratings and IQ tests results say, Shikamaru's intelligence is flawed. It does not require a rocket scientist to take note.

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Isn'titstrangehowShikamaruspeaksofhowfunshogibeforetheybecomeninjas(inChoji'sflashbackin the [[SasukeRetrievalarc]], episode114)? He's wearing the headband on his arm when Asumaintroduceshim to shogi(flashbackinshippudenepisode80),andthenhecallsit'troublesome'.It's not very likelythathelikedit before they became ninjas, stopped liking it, and started liking it again when Asuma taught him about it, is it? [[User:Hakinu|Hakinu]] ([[User_talk:Hakinu|talk]]) 16:39, 27 April2009(UTC)

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Heislazysimplybecauseheisnotsmartenoughtosolveeverysingleproblem.Heisemotionallystable, yetlacks the mentalcapacitynecessary to concentrateandconsistentlydevisethoroughsolutionswhichwillinvariablyholdwatertothe very endofthegivenscenario.

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FurtherevidenceofeitherKishimoto'sinconsistencyor the fillerarcs... Icantrememberifthathappened in the manga,butbothcontradictthemselvesoften... [[Special:Contributions/65.175.212.219|65.175.212.219]]([[Usertalk:65.175.212.219|talk]])02:22,July28,2010(UTC)

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Therearetimeswhen he only devises only half baked remedies which serve only as immediate solutions.Heexecutes the planand gives up simply because he failed to arrive upon an actual solution from the very start. Atsuchtimes, others are requiredtocome in and solve the restoftheproblemforhim. Hegivesupsimplybecausehelacks the intelligence necessary to think certain tactical aspects through.

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:Wheres the evidence that he never used to play before? There is a possibility that he used to play this game with his father before...--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez365]] ([[User talk:Cerez365|talk]]) 02:25, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

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::Asuma gave Shikamaru a manual on how to play shōgi, so it is likely he learned it then. However, Shikamaru's comment in Chōji's flashback doesn't mean he was already playing it back then as well. He simply said that their game was no fun with an uneven number of people, just like how shōgi is no fun with an uneven number of pieces. Everybody knows shōgi in Japan, just like how everyone in the West knows chess. Even without ever having played it, you could understand such a statement. Shikamaru most likely had seen his father play it many times before as well. --[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]] | [[User:ShounenSuki#Translations|translations]])</sup> 11:26, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

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== Nature Manipulation? ==

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Since Shikamaru was able to do a Shadow Paralizing Jutsu with chakra blades, does that mean he's "shadow" natured? Kakashi did say that there were light and dark jutsu. And Jiraiya said that there were six types of nature manipulation (light and dark are probably a "neutral" nature). Should that be clearified somehow? ~[[User:Forlong|Forlong]]

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:The problem is that we don't know anything about it, so we have to wait. [[User:Jacce|Jacce]] | [[User talk:Jacce|Talk]] 05:03, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

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::On the Yin/Yang section of the page on chakra natures, it states that the Shadow Imitation Technique uses yin/yang chakra. Kakashi was probably referring to yin/yang chakra when he said light and dark.

Shikamaru and Temari behave just like Asuma and Kurenai used to; both pairs spend plenty of "quality" time together. This little bit of information is probably just trivia, but it also shows how similar Shikamaru is to Asuma.

Since Shikamaru is very very smart (probably the smartest character) isn't he supposed to excel in genjutsu? However we have never seen him execute e genjutsu...am I wrong? {{unsigned|95.107.177.82}}

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:Y shud he be a genjutsu user just because he's a genius?..--[[User:AlienGamer|AlienGamer]]--[[User talk:AlienGamer|Talk]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/AlienGamer|contribs]])</sup>-- 01:19, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

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::I believe he means during the invasion of konoha ark, Sakura used 'Release' on Naruto than used it o shikamaru unknowningly that he already knew it. So I think he means: That he knows some info on Genjustu. --[[User:Hamachi1993|Hamachi1993]] ([[User talk:Hamachi1993|talk]]) 02:14, 26 August 2009 (UTC)Hamachi1993

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:::I believe that the creator of this question is referring to the fact that Genjutsu-users tend to be highly intelligent, which Shikamaru definitely is. [[User:KonohaSunaKiriKumoIwa|KonohaSunaKiriKumoIwa]] ([[User talk:KonohaSunaKiriKumoIwa|talk]]) 20:54, July 4, 2010 (UTC)

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== Last name/Name Origin==

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Umm...I just wanted to know. I know that his first name can be translated as deer, but I also just recently discovered that his lats name Nara means "if in case". I don't know if this is true or not, so I was just hoping that someone could correct me if I'm wrong. Byakugan413 02:33, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

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:{{translation|Nara|なら}} is a grammatical particle that is placed after a phrase to indicate a condition: {{translation|"In case of X...," "if X..."|Xなら...|X nara ...}}.

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:However, Shikamaru's family name was taken from the Japanese city of Nara, known for the hundreds of 'tame' deer that roam there. Nara is also the name of the prefecture this city is the capital of and of the period when this city was the capital of Japan (710-794).

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:In the same Nara prefecture is a town called Yoshino, through which runs the Yoshino river and which lies in the wake of Mt. Yoshino, a mountain planted with thousands cherry trees. This is where the name of Shikamaru's mother comes from. --[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]])</sup> 08:00, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

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since shikimaru used water style ninjutsu shouldent we add the nature chakra to his info box [[Bleach boy]] septemper 19

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: Nope. He used a scroll. That proofs he can't use water jutsu alone. [[User:Geohound|Geohound]] ([[User talk:Geohound|talk]]) 02:05, December 20, 2009 (UTC)

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who said that just because he used a scroll he doesn't have that element. I think that he knows that water is his nature but hasn't trained in it because he is to lazy. He just uses a scroll to make it easy to use it with out months of training. Also he knew what it was and that it was hard so maybe he could have known because he used some. That could be because he is a genius though. [[User:Shikamaru genius]]

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:Naruto used [[Fire Release: Toad Oil Flame Bullet]] and he doesn't have an affinity with Fire. If Shikamaru looks up and spits water out of his mouth with hand seals then good work. Until then, he doesn't have Water chakra.--[[User:TheUltimate3|TheUltimate3]] ([[User talk:TheUltimate3|talk]]) 03:47, February 15, 2010 (UTC)

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== Trivia Mistake ==

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The bit at the end of Shikamarus trivia needs to be taken out. Either he hasn't single-handedly taken out an Akatsuki member or both he AND Naruto need to have that honour.

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While he leads Hidan away he still required the blood taken by Kakashi and the data he obtained from Asumas fight. In this way he had no more or less help than Naruto vs Kakuzu because while he ended the fight on his own he had the help of others before hand.

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Because i am not an admin i did not want to flat out delete this on my own besides which someone may want to rephrase it.--[[User:Yondaime1987|Yondaime1987]] ([[User talk:Yondaime1987|talk]]) 06:17, September 30, 2009 (UTC)

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== New infobox (?) problems ==

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I think the problems that have been appearing on some pages here and there have appeared here too (about Sasori's wife). Could someone please fix the page?

Thank you for fixing it. Sorry I'm not trying to blame anyone, just point it out :)

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shikamaru is a supporting protagonist of the series,i mean,if temari,kankuro and neiji are identified as protagonists,i'm pretty sure shikamaru deserves a lot of credit to be viewed as a protagonist as well.

:There is no such thing as a supporting protagonist, believe it all you want. Its an oxymoron i guess, because protagonists are the main characters that dont ''support'' the storyline etc. Supporting character is the proper term. And the characters you gave as examples arnt protagonists, or in your words a "supporting protagonist"[[User:Shelldone|Shelldone]] ([[User talk:Shelldone|talk]]) 22:31, April 8, 2010 (UTC)

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Honestly we went this over with Jiraiya and all other agreed that the usage of anime images is prefered instead of manga images. Also that image of Shikamaru, i believe, is far to large. I agree on the fact that we need a somewhat more whole body shot of him, since he has changed his attire completly, but such a large image really ruins the article. --[[User:Gojita|Gojita]] ([[User talk:Gojita|talk]]) 20:48, September 8, 2010 (UTC)Gojita

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:In the infobox, yeah. It was agreed that the manga images were actually more appropriate in the main article to show the characters' appearances. Not to mention the fact that the manga image actually shows Shikamaru's full body.

::I also that we have to be able to see his appearance change properly, but still, IT PASSES THROUGH TWO HEADLINES. Before we continue this I would like some more opinions, i have feeling that we will never reach an agreement on this! Also instead of bickering between two images, COULD SOMEONE PROVIDE US WITH SOME OTHER OPTIONS? --[[User:Gojita|Gojita]] ([[User talk:Gojita|talk]]) 21:12, September 8, 2010 (UTC)Gojita

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:::The Twelve Ninja Guardian section is minuscule, even regular images would pass through it, or at least be the same size as it. If running through sections is the problem, just move the image to the Hidan and Kakuzu section, then it won't run through any headlines. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 21:28, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

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::::Its not just the size, its also the fact that both Naruto and Choji can bee seen in the image and also because all other images around it are anime and then BANG! in the middle of it all there is a manga image, when we could easily get a good anime image instead. You know what, do me a favor and put this on a stall while i try to find some alternatives from the anime. --[[User:Gojita|Gojita]] ([[User talk:Gojita|talk]]) 21:53, September 8, 2010 (UTC)Gojita

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:::::The image passing through headlines is in no way a problem to me. Plenty of images do that already. Chōji and Naruto being visible hardly detracts from the image. In my opinion, they do not draw away attention from the main focus, Shikamaru. It being from the manga is actually the main reason it's there. It is a coloured image of Shikamaru the way the creator of the series imagined him. This image shows Shikamaru the way Kishimoto-sensei intended him to be. An image cannot be more canon than this. This makes it perfect for an appearance image, as those are supposed to perfectly represent how a character is supposed to look. —[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]] | [[User:ShounenSuki#Translations|translations]])</sup> 21:59, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

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"''Btw ShounenSuki, the anime IS done by permission from the author. I doubt MK will authorize something he disapproves. And Manga imapges have a very limited colour depth, where as in the Anime, u'r not held back by those limitations''" - a quote from AlienGamer about the use of manga and anime images. Which is also part of my opinion in using coloured images by Kishimoto. Seeing how most images on this wikia is changed to a anime version when possible, i think it would also be the best choice here. Also i compared with the full shot images of Part II(which is from the anime) Sasuke, Naruto Sakura and Sai and this one is far larger. Looking at such a long image is horrible to the eyes. Also i would like to express some anger seeing that the similar change done to Ino's Choji's Kiba's and Hinata's article, lost us the full body images of their first Part II anime appearance, unless someone would like to search through the archives and hopefully revive them(if even possible). Also to keep some consistency, i think we should refrain from using any full body manga shots in any part of the article except for the apperance section, which we already do in many instances. Also the way you adress Kishimoto with the added epiteth of Sensei makes me worry that you favor the manga to much on a wikia that takes all aspects of a fictional universe into considerations. Sorry if am being to offensive! --[[User:Gojita|Gojita]] ([[User talk:Gojita|talk]]) 22:15, September 8, 2010 (UTC)Gojita

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:Actually, Kishimoto-sensei has absolutely no control over the anime. Nothing at all, just like practically each and every mangaka who has seen their manga adapted to anime. Tthe mangaka's publisher has the authority to sell the rights to the anime adaptation, even without direct consent of the mangaka. It's part of their publishing contract. Afterwards, the rights holder has full control over the anime version and can even decide to completely change it to their whim.

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:As for my using ''sensei'', I do that with ever mangaka. It's a sign of respect for their trade. Even so, there is no denying that Kishimoto-sensei is the original source for the series. He is the be-all and end-all for what is canon or not. If we have the opportunity to show how he sees a character, we should rejoice. it being from a different medium than most of the other images should not be an excuse. There are plenty of wikia who work with different media, with no problems whatsoever. The Avatar: the Last Airbender, Harry Potter, and Lord of the Rings wikias all show images from multiple media. With a series covering no less than three (manga, anime, and games), it's actually quite ridiculous not to show how characters look in the different adaptations, with the first and primary source taking the spotlight where appropriate. —[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]] | [[User:ShounenSuki#Translations|translations]])</sup> 22:28, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

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::"''And Manga imapges have a very limited colour depth, where as in the Anime, u'r not held back by those limitations'' - this is the part of the quote that i should have highlighted. My point is that when we have seen through so many anime images in the article, we should at least keep it up to keep some consistency and as said before, the size is horrible to the eyes. I have looked at the image at screens of different sizes and resolutions and that is one my main reasons for trying to change it back to a anime images. Also comparing the size with the other images of the article, everyone could agree that the size is way of. Could you at least consider some anime images if they meet the requirements of showing more of his body? --[[User:Gojita|Gojita]] ([[User talk:Gojita|talk]]) 22:39, September 8, 2010 (UTC)Gojita

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:::The size isn't horrible. It's a great size to show how the character looks like in some detail. It can always be made smaller, if need be.

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:::As for Aliengamer's quote, I already disputed that back then. The manga images actually have a far greater colour depth. What Aliengamer meant with that quote was that there was an obvious difference between the colours of the manga and the colours of the anime, which is exactly why it's so important to use the manga image. With such an obvious difference, it is our duty to show the readers what the mangaka, the original creator of the series, wanted his characters to look like. —[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]] | [[User:ShounenSuki#Translations|translations]])</sup> 22:47, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

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:::And as for the size discrepancy with the other images: When did you people become so engrossed in consistency and standardisation that anything that was different was immediately bad? Not every image has to be the exact same format as an anime screenshot. There is nothing wrong with having images of different sizes. —[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]] | [[User:ShounenSuki#Translations|translations]])</sup> 22:50, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

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Please answer my question! COULD YOU AT LEAST CONSIDER SOME ANIME IMAGES IF THEY MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF SHOWING MORE OF HIS BODY? --[[User:Gojita|Gojita]] ([[User talk:Gojita|talk]]) 22:54, September 8, 2010 (UTC)Gojita

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:I did address that question, only not directly. No I would not consider anime images. The reason I'm so stuck on this one is ''because'' it is a manga image. It was drawn by the creator of the series himself. That's why I find it so important to use it. —[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]] | [[User:ShounenSuki#Translations|translations]])</sup> 23:00, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

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::Sorry for missing that answer. Seeing how you find manga images important since it's from the original artist, I understand that too. But since most manga images(coloured or not) are easily replaced with anime images when possible i think many on this wikia would disagree with you on that subject. But since it's only us two on this i seriously suggest we put this on a hold for now until we can get some more opinions from the community on this wikia. Until then i will make no attempt to change theese images, but i would also like that to request that no other images are changed like this, until we can settle this dispute on a higher level, especially since this is not the first time we disagree on this subject. Can we agree on that? --[[User:Gojita|Gojita]] ([[User talk:Gojita|talk]]) 23:08, September 8, 2010 (UTC)Gojita

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:::I would like to point out one thing, though. Manga images aren't replaced as easily as you think they are. Only black-and-white images are and even then things can get interesting. Look at [[A]] and [[Hanzō]] for example. Neithre has had their images replaced, despite them appearing in the anime. A's image was kept because the anime had no image that showed him better than the one currently used and Hanzō's was kept because of the obvious difference in the colouring of his eyes.

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:::If an anime image comes along that shows the Raikage as well as, or better than, the current manga image, I would still argue his manga image be kept in the appearance section. —[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]] | [[User:ShounenSuki#Translations|translations]])</sup> 23:20, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

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First of all you just broke are agreement about chancing other anime images with coloured manga images, with the Konan page. Second of all my argument about the image not fitting the page, read this from the rules "'''Also, colored manga images without text, are preferable to anime images unless they disrupt the flow of the page.'''" --[[User:Gojita|Gojita]] ([[User talk:Gojita|talk]]) 22:49, September 29, 2010 (UTC)Gojita

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I think the image was changed in Konan's page because her eye color in the anime isn't the same as it is in the manga, which is the basis on some manga images in infoboxes, such as Yahiko and Hanzō. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:42, September 29, 2010 (UTC)

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:I think that is just a tonning issue, that we can look past or at least add to the trivia section. --[[User:Gojita|Gojita]] ([[User talk:Gojita|talk]]) 22:49, September 29, 2010 (UTC)Gojita

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::I think it is a change of colour of one of the most important features of a manga character. It's a major change from the manga and thus the manga image is preferred in the infobox, with precedent in e.g. the [[Hanzō]] and [[Yahiko]] pages. The reason I changed Konan's image has no relevance to this discussion.

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::As for this discussion, I'll say this: The image policy you quoted supports my case. Shikamaru's manga image does not disrupt the flow of the page. Having a different size than other images might draw some more attention to it, but as it's a highly important image, that shouldn't really matter. —[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]] | [[User:ShounenSuki#Translations|translations]])</sup> 23:34, September 29, 2010 (UTC)

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:::Yeah, that's called bad attention, but otherwise i will leave it at this, seeing how we are having a better debate over at the policy talk page. --[[User:Gojita|Gojita]] ([[User talk:Gojita|talk]]) 06:38, September 30, 2010 (UTC)Gojita

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Why is it that [[Shikamaru Nara]], a [[chunin]], is usually the [[Jounin|team leader]] when sent on [[missions]] and [[Neji]], a [[jounin]] is higher ranked than him? I don't really support favouritism so shouldn't Neji be given the leadership on a more frequent basis than Shikamaru does?[[User:1david12 .|1david12 .]] ([[User talk:1david12 .|talk]]) 21:17, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

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:Because Shikamaru's leadership skills are better than Neji's, Neji is powerful enough to go on missions on his own if he wants, and Neji is generally away on missions with Team Guy. [[User:Fangzntalonz|Fangzntalonz]] ([[User talk:Fangzntalonz|talk]]) 23:10, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

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::No, Since Shikamaru became a chunin and Neji a jonin neither have been on a mission together. But regardless of whether or not Shikamaru's analytical skills outweighs those of Neji his higher rank would trump it--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez365]] ([[User talk:Cerez365|talk]]) 19:31, September 29, 2010 (UTC)

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:::Turns out that he really is, just that good a leader, judging by his position as proxy to General of the Fourth Division.

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I think we should update shikamaru's profile as a yin release user, and put him, and the ohter Nara clan characters as yin release users. Same with the shadow techniques. [[User:Neji uchiha|Neji uchiha]] ([[User talk:Neji uchiha|talk]]) 21:20, October 16, 2010 (UTC)

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:We don't know the exact nature of how Yin and Yang Releases are applied to his techniques, as well as other jutsu said to use Yin and Yang, so until that's clarified, nothing gets listed. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 21:28, October 16, 2010 (UTC)

We know chakra is formed by two elements spiritual energy (yin, ¨the spiritual energy that governs imagination¨) and physical energy (yan, ¨the physical energy that governs vitality¨). When yamato is training naruto in the Hidan and Kakuzu arc he explains this and says that this special chakra (one formed by only one of this two elements) is the source of the techniques of the nara, yamanaka and genjutsu (for yin release) and the akimichi or healing ninjutsu (for yang release). We could speculate even a little bit about Izanagi a yin yang technique formed by the combination of this two elements, yin the uchiha and yang the senju. [[User:Neji uchiha|Neji uchiha]] ([[User talk:Neji uchiha|talk]]) 19:47, October 20, 2010 (UTC)

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They never said which (Yin or Yang) make up each of those examples, hence them not being mentioned yet. We already know for a fact Izanagi is Yin-Yang because Madara explicitly said that the Sage used Izanagi to create the tailed beasts, and that he did it using [[Yin-Yang Release]]. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 20:06, October 20, 2010 (UTC)

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Ok, i'll stick with one page but come on, those examples are crystal clear. Shikamaru himself says he uses this special chakra when he is fighting tayuya. The other examples need the most basic of deductions. About izanagi all I'm saying is that yin and yang come from those two bloodlines. [[User:Neji uchiha|Neji uchiha]] ([[User talk:Neji uchiha|talk]]) 20:19, October 20, 2010 (UTC)

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I'm not saying they aren't, I'm just saying that while clear, until the manga says it itself, it's speculation, and that is kept off the pages. Dust Release is obviously Earth Release and Wind Release, but no mention of Wind Release is made whenever Dust Release is mentioned. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 20:23, October 20, 2010 (UTC)

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Ok, ok I see what you mean. Thanks for the help, keep up the good job. [[User:Neji uchiha|Neji uchiha]] ([[User talk:Neji uchiha|talk]]) 20:27, October 20, 2010 (UTC)

It wasn't never shown, except for in a flashback during the Third Hokage's furenal.--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 22:51, February 13, 2011 (UTC)

Shikamaru is one of most inteligence guys in serie.HeislikekingOdisiesinNaruto.Ithinkthatweshouldwritethatsasukesgenious is onlyto the fact that uchiha are having DNA abilitys like sharingana and that sasuke is powerful only because he hassharingana.Iamintersetedwhoissmartershikamaru or sasuke.I mean why don't kishi write how big sasukes IQ is, and there are too many genious in serieneji hyuga genious, sasuke uchiha genious, rock lee genious of hard work(selfproclamed by guy and himself). Maybe naruto is some kind of genious idiot, because he did something not everybody can do...[[User:YamatoTakeru|YamatoTakeru]] ([[User talk:YamatoTakeru|talk]]) 13:43, March 26, 2011(UTC)

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He is brilliant in certainaspects,atacticalsavant,ageniusbyhisownuniquemerit.Still,he is flawedjust like anyoneelse. Hisflawdoesnotlie in "laziness"alone.

...I'mnotentirely sure what your point is, but I think you're saying that Shikamaru is not as intelligent as he is lauded to be? Simply because he is lazy and cannot devise a solution that works perfectly. To this, I say stop being stupid. An intelligent person does not need to constantly use their intelligence to be intelligent. Shikamaru is smart, but it's not like he enjoys puzzles, he just likes to lie down and the occasional game of Shogi. One's personal preference is not consistent with their intellect. As for his reliance on others, that is a fact of reality. An intelligent person can only get so far by their intelligence. A genius he may be, but he can't work miracles. Yet even so he has worked immediate remedies that allow for opportunity to complete victory. As a Chunin with little direct combat power and a team of Genin he managed to orchestrate a victory over half of the Sound 4 and delay the rest long enough for Naruto to confront Sasuke. By any standard this is more than anyone with his resources would be expected to achieve. As for his "giving up" When? When did his giving up denote any failure in hisintellect?He quit against Temari despite having achieved an undeniable victory. HequitwhenholdingtheSoundJounin in place, hewas a Genin holding a troupe of Jounin. There was no tactical maneuver he could take advantage of that would allow victory on his own. The closest I could call to being justified is maybe when he pretended to be asleep, butat the time he didn't have a mission to follow and probably thought his own tactical worth was not sufficient to be of use.

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I need to talk but the,,world ''think that I am boring.Anyway why are you so I don't know bossy. I repete to people naruto is manga for children and young people not constitution of monarchy, not quantum physic, not practicum for neuro surgery. If we make a few mistakes nobody will notice because our audience is young...[[User:YamatoTakeru|YamatoTakeru]] ([[User talk:YamatoTakeru|talk]]) 23:38, April 2, 2011 (UTC)

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:::So if a tree falls in a forest and no one is there to hear it...does it not make a sound?--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez™]]☺ 23:40, April 2, 2011 (UTC)

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Ifyouwant an example of a situation where he planned it all out, Fighting Hidan and Kakuzu. He planned out taking out Hidan by himself and using his own battle to aide in killing Kakuzu. Thanks to his plan using Kakashi as an asset they took out two of Kakuzu's hearts and his teammate and while Naruto came in to finish it, his arrival, while admittedly cutting it close, was pretty much part of the plan from Kakashi and Yamato's perspective. --[[User:Hawkeye2701|Hawkeye2701]] ([[User talk:Hawkeye2701|talk]]) 01:45, June 4, 2013 (UTC)

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..His victory against Temari was not 'undeniable.' His chakra was all but depleted. In an actual one-on-one situation, this would not be good enough. The talent was recognized, he was good enough to become chunin, though I don't think he is the most all round intelligent leaf shinobi. I believe Akastuki members such as Itachi demonstrate greater applied intellect, dare I say even Kakashi and Minato as well, even TsunadeandOrochimaru.

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"During Part I, Shikamaru seemed to be frequently matched up with female characters to fight. In the Chūnin Exams he fought Kin Tsuchi and Temari, in the Sasuke Retrieval Arc, he fought Tayuya, and in the Ultimate Weapon Arc, he fought Kujaku. In the second Naruto movie, he fought Kamina, as well. This could be a reference to Shikamaru's view on women." and I think we should add to it the Kishimoto was thinking about making Asuma and Kurenai's child a famale because of his view of women --[[User:Yamanaka Ino|Yamanaka Ino]] When in maga came out what sex is asuma and kureni's child we will write it. Your sugestion is speculation, and beleve me people here don't like speculations. I myself made few ordinary speculations and they ,,trow me to lions''.[[User:YamatoTakeru|YamatoTakeru]] ([[User talk:YamatoTakeru|talk]]) 23:39, April 2, 2011 (UTC)

What is there? Are you mocking me? I am not an object...[[User:YamatoTakeru|YamatoTakeru]] ([[User talk:YamatoTakeru|talk]]) 23:39, April 2, 2011 (UTC)

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::No. Why would I refer to you as an object? I simply mean that I don't know why that was in his trivia; nice find friend.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez™]]☺ 23:42, April 2, 2011 (UTC)

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Aaa gothya you feel for it. I was busy on april the first so I came of this on april 2 alldo I hate april 2...[[Special:Contributions/79.101.241.110|79.101.241.110]] ([[User talk:79.101.241.110|talk]]) 00:30, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

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Sasukeis an example of ninja who does not devise such intricate schemes before hand, yet is still smart as a whip. He always reacts instantly whenever something happens and more often than not, he knows exactly how to handle a situation the moment it occurs. His methods are different, yet the end result often the same, he outwits his adversaries.

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[[File:Shikamaru_scroll.png|thumb]]

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During his fight with Kakuzu, there was actually an anime-only item he tried to use to defend himself from one of Kakuzu's attacks. It was a kind of scroll with a kanji. Should it be added as an item or techinque? Also, to ShounenSuki, or somebody else who understand japanese, what does the kanji stand for (the subs said "shield")--[[User:Kind-Hearted-One|Kind-Hearted-One]] ([[User talk:Kind-Hearted-One|talk]]) 21:06, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

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:It's just a scroll with a kanji on it, we don't know what was in it. There is very little information, so I don't see the point of making a page.--'''''[[User talk:Deva 27|Deva]] [[Special:Contributions/Deva 27|27]]''''' 21:11, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

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::Well, if it was actually "shield", it's pretty obvious that it was some kind of defense.--[[User:Kind-Hearted-One|Kind-Hearted-One]] ([[User talk:Kind-Hearted-One|talk]]) 21:14, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

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:::shikamaru has a scroll in the manga also http://www.mangareader.net/93-339-15/naruto/chapter-334.html http://www.mangareader.net/93-339-16/naruto/chapter-334.html{{unsigned|199.167.132.119}}

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::::Well in the anime it says "shield" according to the sub but from the manga it seems blank. For all we know it could be that he was going to try and seal the attack coming towards him or something. I'm not really for or against creating an article for it, though I will admit it'd be vague and probably problematic to categorise, but there are uhm, lesser articles here.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]] [[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 22:51, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

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:::::The thing is: there is any real harm to us if we do make it?--[[User:Kind-Hearted-One|Kind-Hearted-One]] ([[User talk:Kind-Hearted-One|talk]]) 23:50, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

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::::::Not particularly, though it'd be preferable if the kanji on the scroll was legible.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]] [[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 00:14, September 10, 2011 (UTC)

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:::::::Considering we know very little on what this does, I think the information about it can be kept at the [[Scroll]] article. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 00:28, September 10, 2011 (UTC)

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Shikamaruis essentially a "good soldier." Akatsuki members are devious. They devise intricate schemes which no ordinary shinobi could concoct, let alone pull off. Part of ninja intelligence does lie in tactical planning, yet there is also the hands on aspect involved. Sasuke never had genuine interest in even becoming a leaf village chunin, his sole motive lies in vengeance. Individuals develop patterns based off of their interests and motives and Shikamaru specializes mainly in tactical aspects. {{unsigned|67.203.140.113}}

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we should update the pictures in the infobox, putting - the photo of part two. Not only Shikamaru, but all others as: Naruto, Sasuke, Sakura, Hinata, Kiba, Shino, Lee, Neji, Tenten, Ino, and Chōji.[[User:Samemaru|Samemaru]] ([[User talk:Samemaru|talk]]) 14:54, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

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:We don't do that. It was already decided that an image of how the person is presented to us in the series first, goes into the infobox. So that means them as children. An image of their PART II apprearances can be found in all their Part II sections.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 14:58, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

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:Sufficeto say, aside from not signing posts, you have a very limited and skewed idea of what intelligence is. Itachi is intelligent, as well. Does that mean he is an intelligent as Shikamaru? He made a plan that worked, but so did Shikamaru. Anyone can make a plan that works. But what Shikamaru does, as it is often referred to, is planning ahead over people by numerous steps; I believe he is often said to be over one hundred steps ahead of someone in some cases. This means that he quickly looks at a path in forest. He looks at all the variables that path leads to (new paths). He, then, looks at what those, say, two new paths lead to, which becomes maybe four, eight, sixteen, etc. And while having that knowledge, he makes plans against it, of how to potentially stop it. And he keeps making calculated moves based on how things progress. This is not the only area of intelligence, if you want to call it that, Shikamaru excels it, but it is the main one we have.

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what the hell happened after I edited his page? why is it gone??[[Special:Contributions/93.200.237.23|93.200.237.23]] ([[User talk:93.200.237.23|talk]]) 13:38, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

:As for flaws in his intelligence, there are none. His personality of being lazy is not related in any capacity, nor is giving up/quitting. Sometimes when one encounters one with intelligence in an academic setting (children to young adults (high school)), you'll find they will have poor grades because they're not challenged, which is also referred to laziness at times, and you may find them quitting something easy if it is boring. And any "half baked" are exactly that -- because there's no more paths to choose from, he ran out of options. Take for example a fight between Shikamaru and Madara. Yes, there's many things he could do, but it will eventually seem half-baked because there's only so much he can do. You could argue the same for his fight with Temari. Now is his intelligence infallible? Let me ask another question: is he god?--[[User:Taynio|Taynio]] ([[User talk:Taynio|talk]]) 03:45, June 5, 2013(UTC)

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In his studies at the academy, Shikamaruisnotaparticularlyhighachiever.Sakura,on the other hand proves capable of solvingcomplexproblemswhichacompetentchuninthroughactualfieldexperiencemaynot even be capable of.

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IP, startsigningyourposts.Justputfour~at the end of yourcomments.[[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]]-[[Usertalk:Omnibender|Talk]]-[[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]]22:27,June5,2013(UTC)

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Shikamarudemonstrateshimself to be of a not muchhighercapacity than Naruto within the realm of 'booksmarts.' Granted, he never demonstrates so much in scholastic aptitude, he only demonstrates a savantlikeability to wield his special jutsu in the tactical battlefield. He is capable of observing shadows and demonstrates at least an iota of tactical sense necessary to form plans surrounding what he already knows. Beyond his scope of tactical aptitude, there are those such as Sakura and Sasuke who actually demonstrate raw traits of ingenuity in battlefield situations which require immediate reaction without prior planning, Shikamaru rarely demonstrates anything of this nature.

:Signingisnotabouthaving an account. You MUST sign, even if its an accountless IP address. And no one is arguing that he hasperfect intelligence, norhave I ever heard it mentionedbyanyoneover the years from the wikia, orelsewhere in my travel. That would also be quite odd considering his father was more intelligent than he. So if Shikamaru had perfect, what did his father have? Godly?

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::Tobenice and answeryourstatement, his gradessufferedbecause he islazy. He understoodeverything he wastaught. TheIQtestmaynotberealisticto you butit's to betakenatfacevalue.Awritercan'tspendpageafterpageonexpositionoversimplefactstheywant the readertoknowaboutsecondarycharacters.Sorryheisn't writtenasmoreofageniuson the battlefieldto you but it is what it is. Rememberthis isn't aforumand in thefuturecommentslikethiswillbeignored. [[User:Arrancar79|Arrancar79]] ([[User talk:Arrancar79|talk]]) 00:38, January31, 2013 (UTC)

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:WhyisItachi more intelligent? What has he done to show that? He made plans -- great and amazingplans-- but that isn't hard with his knowledge.Healso had plans fail quite often. Am I then postulating he lacksintelligence? Not at all. He isfallible, just as Shikamaru is. Kakashi is intelligent, he is often described as being like Kiba, Shikamaru,etc. Whilebeingconsideredagenius,healsohas many years of experience from many battles, and even war, and he also has sharingan. The way you quantifyShikamaru's intelligence compared to others,insimplesttermsfortheNarutoverse,issimplyhowgoodtheyareandhowmanystepsaheadhe is, regardless of the outcome.Butlosingortheresultsnotfavouringyou in the end doesn't discountintelligence.Iamnotsurewhy you think the resultsmean anything when there's only so much that can be done, intelligence or not. If you put an academy student who thinks 1000 steps ahead of a kage-level Shinobi, it won't matter what the results are, because that student can only do so much. Does it make him any less intelligent? What if he had a reported IQ 60x the kage-level shinobi? He is still as intelligent. Iam not sure what else to say because there isn't,andyoudon't seem to factor in everything,suchasskillsoutsideofintelligence,and many other variables. It's confusing.--[[User:Taynio|Taynio]] ([[User talk:Taynio|talk]]) 05:15, June8, 2013 (UTC)

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-->Mypointisdeeper thanyours.. Eventhoughhehasaratingof5onthecard,hisactualgeniusis questionable. Sakuraholdsherowninabattle of witsagainstSasoriandevenmanages to catchhimofguardandhehasanintelligenceratingof5.Sasukeisatleastascleverinhisuseofthesharinganashiselderbrotherandhelikewisemerits a 5. Sasukemanagesjustfineon the tacticalbattlefieldagainstDeidara.Deidara is nojoke,unlikeHidan.

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Let'sconsiderspecialabilities,then... Withtheshadowpossessionjutsu,hedoesn'texactlyhavehisworkcutoutforhim. Becauseofhisspecialabilitywhichhe had most of hislifetopractice,hedoes not have to resorttosuchexcessivelystrenuousmethodsasotherswould.Theonlysafebetanyninjawouldhaveagainstonewithsuchaspecialpowerwouldbetoremainmidairthroughtheentire duration of a battle. SincetheuniverseofNaruto isnot the sameasDragonBallZ,to perform in constant midair is prettymuchimpossible.[[Special:Contributions/67.203.140.113|67.203.140.113]] ([[User talk:67.203.140.113|talk]]) 22:39, June 29,2013(UTC)Rustymoth

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Upon careful observation in reading between lines, Shikamaru's intelligence does not appear to actually be so air tight in spite of his rating on a scouting card. The article does not take note of this.

What the hell is this? Let me remind you guys again that this is not a forum and when you see things like this, they should be deleted and not responded to. This has no bearing on our articles nor our characters: there is no such thing as perfect in the first place.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 18:20, June20, 2013 (UTC)

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The points is, though he a genius tactician, he does not demonstrate himself to be quite so sharp in broader realms of human intelligence.

Certainindividualsin positions of command make decisions which may at times offend the judgment of others. This is to say, theirdecisions as leader may seem strategically foolhardy or even stupid to subordinates, though there is broader reasoning behind their decision. Take Tsunade's decision in directly sending Naruto on missions to thwart members of the Akatsuki, for instance.

Shikamarufailstofully recognize Naruto's significanceduringNagato's invasionofKonoha. Shikamaru is not the only once who lacksclarity in grasping the intrinsic human value behindNaruto's specificworth... Heisjustanotherkidinthe village who holds to a herd mentality.

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Just imagine yourself in large metropolis such as New York City or out in the forests during daylight, you will find shadows all around you. If one is to possess control of the Shadow Possession jutsu, it should not be difficult to prepare a trap provided that the wielder possesses at least some measure of marginal intelligence. Shikamaru is clever enough to setup extensive networks of traps on the tactical battlefield, this may merit him a 3.5 or 4 rating, in my opinion.

Asa shinobi you are a warrior, diplomat, spy and assassin. Shikamaru only demonstrates proficiency under the realm of tactical planning on the battlefield. His proficiency is narrow in scope when compared to others who merit high intelligence ratings.

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Isthereanyconfirmation in the chapterthatShikamaruactuallydied?orshouldwewait?--[[User:M4ND0N|Mandon]]([[Usertalk:M4ND0N|talk]])15:06,September17, 2013(UTC)

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:He is alive as of reacting to Naruto's regret of Asuma's death.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 16:17, September 17, 2013 (UTC)

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Kabutolikewiseismorethan capable of playing the diplomatic game. HeiskeenonOrochimaru'sgames,hisintelligencerunsdeeperthan shogi board tactics. The key word is mentalism.

::So is it better to change his status to "Incapacitated" in the infobox? [[User:Shakhmoot|<choose><option>http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a553/anaspet06/Shakhmootssign_zps2a261e68.png</option></choose>]][[User_talk:Shakhmoot|<sup>(Contact)</sup>]] 19:07, September 17, 2013 (UTC)

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:::No, he is still conscious, only loosing consciousness.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 21:39, September 17, 2013 (UTC)

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::::So keep him alive until we see what happens in the future?[[User:Inoyamanaka98|Inoyamanaka98]] ([[User talk:Inoyamanaka98|talk]]) 22:43, September 17, 2013 (UTC)Inoyamanaka98

Clearly,he lacks the intelligence of Akatsuki members necessary for them to organize and conduct their own plans of subterfuge.

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Given how Shikamaru's dad was the leader of the Nara Clan, and with his death Shikamaru would have inherited the position, shouldn't he be listed as its leader at this point? --[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 09:20, December 7, 2014 (UTC)

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:Proof that Shikaku's death would've meant Shikamaru inheriting the position? Same goes for Ino and Inoichi. Chōji was called the Sixteenth Successor of the Akimichi Clan, so we know that he would become the Akimichi head after Chōza, but what about the Nara and Yamanaka?--[[File:Nature Icon Sand.svg|15px|link=Special:Contributions/JOA20]][[User:JOA20|'''JOA''']][[User talk:JOA20|''20'']] 11:02, December 7, 2014 (UTC)

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(This also apllies to Ino Yamanaka and Choji Akimichi). I don't think we should add Doton to any of team Asuma members. Nature transformation, even if it is your own affinity element, takes huge amount of hard-work. I think they didn't use nature transformation to perform the justu. They used just shape manipulation instead. There was no need to create earth. The ground is already there so they just had to shape it into a wall. If they had used nature transformation, their chakra would have turned to earth and caused the ground to turn into a much harder substance - that's what the real Doton users do. Elements' users manipulate their own chakra to give it the properties of a certain element, like Naruto turning his own chakra to the wind element to cut the leaf. Now all these shinobies (including team Asuma) didn't do that. They just used doton seals to manipulate the surrounding earth with their own, ordinary chakra.Faust-RSI (talk) 05:57, May 16, 2013 (UTC)

Which, of course, is all speculation on your part. You don't know what their chakra did or didn't do. Nor do we. We do know, however, that they preformed an Earth Release technique. All of them. Or, well, most of them. We don't know who went through what training, or when they went through it, but the fact is that it is now irrelevant. They have been demonstrated doing Earth Release, so it has been added, as has been the situation every time a character uses a nature release. Unless proven otherwise at a later time, it has, and will remain, listed. ~ Ten Tailed Fox 07:08, May 16, 2013 (UTC)

I'd probably say that you're right in that we probably shouldn't add an Earth nature to Shikamaru and everyone else who employed that earth technique in the previous chapter. This is largely because each and every Shinobi has the capacity to manipulate all five elements, but very few actually DO manage to accomplish this feat, and generally most Shinobi have an aptitude for certain elements and those are the elements they're most likely to employ. However, this is all based on my own personal opinion of how we should do things but Narutopedia seems to hand out elemental natures based solely upon usage alone and not anything else; and from that perspective it would indeed be appropriate to give Shikamaru the earth nature, because we've observed him using such a technique. --Njalm (talk) 13:33, May 18, 2013 (UTC)

They used it, thus they can do Doton nature transformation, it's either an affinity of theirs or are skilled enough to employ more than a single nature with Doton included. There is no reason not to list them, they indeed used it.--Elveonora (talk) 13:38, May 18, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah it's a little weird you and I agree on something, Elv, lol. But I'm with you 100% on this. If they use a Doton technique, they can clearly mold earth-based chakra. It doesn't have to be an affinity or something they worked for, as that all is irrelevant here. When Sasuke learned (and used) his first Raiton technique, for example, he was a user of Raiton. It is not limited to how many techniques, or how experienced they are in the basic nature. @Njalm, by what logic do you propose natures are handed out? What constitutes it? From my observational standpoint, albeit limited, I don't feel you have a grasp of how things work, this wiki aside. And of course this is not me being rude, just to point out (I am often told I am condescending).--98.101.165.89 (talk) 20:08, May 18, 2013 (UTC)

It's possible they all have an Earth affinity, however Konoha shinobi typically have fire affinities. But that's beside the point. The jutsu they used was supposed to be the simplest of all Earth style jutsus. For example, when Sasuke learned his fireball technique, he was very young and didn't really go through any kind of nature training. He managed to use the fireball jutsu simply by repeating it many times. The Earth Wall jutsu could be simple enough for everyone who might have an Earth affinity to use without much training. That being said, I don't think every elemental jutsu requires a nature affinity to use it. Kakashi is pretty much capable of using almost all the elements for his jutsus thanks to his Sharingan. Supposedly only those with the Rinnegan can have the ability to use that many nature types which suggests that simple elemental jutsus don't rely on any kind of nature affinity. 144.118.155.214 (talk) 05:31, May 22, 2013 (UTC)

Canonically, Kakashi can't use wind or fire, despite Sharingan, because he has no experience in changing his chakra to those natures. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:15, May 22, 2013 (UTC)

Some of you are a bit off. It isn't that merely learning basic nature transformation is difficult. You're confusing what Naruto was trying to do (building up his skill with nature transformation to combine it with the highest level of shape manipulation) with learning a new technique. Oh and the fact that they were being told an Earth Release technique that could "be done by anyone". Skitts (talk) 23:35, May 22, 2013 (UTC)

You are off, first he had to manage to cut a leaf, only then could he combine that with Rasengan. You suggest that as long as there's little to no shape manipulation present, anyone can do natures. The walls looked defined enough to me though.--Elveonora (talk) 23:41, May 22, 2013 (UTC)

That depends on which part such a person would be confusing. Are you referring to the leaf training, or otherwise? Even learning basic nature transformation is quite difficult, outside of ones affinity. It is partly the reason why Jounin generally have one to two nature types versus three or more. Naruto, even with the clones, took a tad bit of time with leaf training. Of course all of this is not relevant to the topic, but nevertheless. --Taynio (talk) 23:44, May 22, 2013 (UTC)

What a straw-man you've constructed Elveonora. First off, I said nothing about there needing to be little to no shape manipulation present in order to perform basic nature manipulation. I was responding to something said above nature transformation "takes a huge amount of work", which isn't true. They're confusing Naruto's training (high nature manipulation with the highest shape manipulation) with what must be done by anyone (depending on the nature) with just anyone learning some basic techniques.. Naruto performed minute nature manipulation just when he managed to cut the leaf. And as Shika said, they were to be told the seals of an Earth Release technique that "anyone could perform", so clearly what I'm saying is indicated rather clearly, unless you're going to go against Occam's Razor in this case, and posit something very unlikely (that dozens or hundreds of people all were trained in Earth Release)? Skitts (talk) 23:52, May 22, 2013 (UTC)

A true problem solver sticks with every given problem, even at times when a solution does not seem apparent. He or she exercises total patience, assesses the situation and devises an airtight solution which shall invariably succeed to the very end of the scenario. Regardless of what scouting ratings and IQ tests results say, Shikamaru's intelligence is flawed. It does not require a rocket scientist to take note.

He is lazy simply because he is not smart enough to solve every single problem. He is emotionally stable, yet lacks the mental capacity necessary to concentrate and consistently devise thorough solutions which will invariably hold water to the very end of the given scenario.

There are times when he only devises only half baked remedies which serve only as immediate solutions. He executes the plan and gives up simply because he failed to arrive upon an actual solution from the very start. At such times, others are required to come in and solve the rest of the problem for him. He gives up simply because he lacks the intelligence necessary to think certain tactical aspects through.

He is brilliant in certain aspects, a tactical savant, a genius by his own unique merit. Still, he is flawed just like anyone else. His flaw does not lie in "laziness" alone.

He gave up at times as genin, this is enough to give it all away... —This unsigned comment was made by 67.203.140.113 (talk • contribs) .

... I'm not entirely sure what your point is, but I think you're saying that Shikamaru is not as intelligent as he is lauded to be? Simply because he is lazy and cannot devise a solution that works perfectly. To this, I say stop being stupid. An intelligent person does not need to constantly use their intelligence to be intelligent. Shikamaru is smart, but it's not like he enjoys puzzles, he just likes to lie down and the occasional game of Shogi. One's personal preference is not consistent with their intellect. As for his reliance on others, that is a fact of reality. An intelligent person can only get so far by their intelligence. A genius he may be, but he can't work miracles. Yet even so he has worked immediate remedies that allow for opportunity to complete victory. As a Chunin with little direct combat power and a team of Genin he managed to orchestrate a victory over half of the Sound 4 and delay the rest long enough for Naruto to confront Sasuke. By any standard this is more than anyone with his resources would be expected to achieve. As for his "giving up" When? When did his giving up denote any failure in his intellect? He quit against Temari despite having achieved an undeniable victory. He quit when holding the Sound Jounin in place, he was a Genin holding a troupe of Jounin. There was no tactical maneuver he could take advantage of that would allow victory on his own. The closest I could call to being justified is maybe when he pretended to be asleep, but at the time he didn't have a mission to follow and probably thought his own tactical worth was not sufficient to be of use.

If you want an example of a situation where he planned it all out, Fighting Hidan and Kakuzu. He planned out taking out Hidan by himself and using his own battle to aide in killing Kakuzu. Thanks to his plan using Kakashi as an asset they took out two of Kakuzu's hearts and his teammate and while Naruto came in to finish it, his arrival, while admittedly cutting it close, was pretty much part of the plan from Kakashi and Yamato's perspective. --Hawkeye2701 (talk) 01:45, June 4, 2013 (UTC)

..His victory against Temari was not 'undeniable.' His chakra was all but depleted. In an actual one-on-one situation, this would not be good enough. The talent was recognized, he was good enough to become chunin, though I don't think he is the most all round intelligent leaf shinobi. I believe Akastuki members such as Itachi demonstrate greater applied intellect, dare I say even Kakashi and Minato as well, even Tsunade and Orochimaru.

Sasuke is an example of ninja who does not devise such intricate schemes before hand, yet is still smart as a whip. He always reacts instantly whenever something happens and more often than not, he knows exactly how to handle a situation the moment it occurs. His methods are different, yet the end result often the same, he outwits his adversaries.

Shikamaru is essentially a "good soldier." Akatsuki members are devious. They devise intricate schemes which no ordinary shinobi could concoct, let alone pull off. Part of ninja intelligence does lie in tactical planning, yet there is also the hands on aspect involved. Sasuke never had genuine interest in even becoming a leaf village chunin, his sole motive lies in vengeance. Individuals develop patterns based off of their interests and motives and Shikamaru specializes mainly in tactical aspects. —This unsigned comment was made by 67.203.140.113 (talk • contribs) .

Suffice to say, aside from not signing posts, you have a very limited and skewed idea of what intelligence is. Itachi is intelligent, as well. Does that mean he is an intelligent as Shikamaru? He made a plan that worked, but so did Shikamaru. Anyone can make a plan that works. But what Shikamaru does, as it is often referred to, is planning ahead over people by numerous steps; I believe he is often said to be over one hundred steps ahead of someone in some cases. This means that he quickly looks at a path in forest. He looks at all the variables that path leads to (new paths). He, then, looks at what those, say, two new paths lead to, which becomes maybe four, eight, sixteen, etc. And while having that knowledge, he makes plans against it, of how to potentially stop it. And he keeps making calculated moves based on how things progress. This is not the only area of intelligence, if you want to call it that, Shikamaru excels it, but it is the main one we have.

As for flaws in his intelligence, there are none. His personality of being lazy is not related in any capacity, nor is giving up/quitting. Sometimes when one encounters one with intelligence in an academic setting (children to young adults (high school)), you'll find they will have poor grades because they're not challenged, which is also referred to laziness at times, and you may find them quitting something easy if it is boring. And any "half baked" are exactly that -- because there's no more paths to choose from, he ran out of options. Take for example a fight between Shikamaru and Madara. Yes, there's many things he could do, but it will eventually seem half-baked because there's only so much he can do. You could argue the same for his fight with Temari. Now is his intelligence infallible? Let me ask another question: is he god?--Taynio (talk) 03:45, June 5, 2013 (UTC)

My apology for not signing my posts, haven't though up a cool enough name...

I can argue easily that anyone who would defend Shikamaru's "perfect intelligence" has the skewered and limited understanding of what intelligence really is. How can any human being have no flaw in his or her intelligence? I argue that characters like Itachi and Kakashi are more intelligent than Shikamaru simply because they have more complex personalities which need not be broken down and analyzed in this article.

The quantity of steps a person is capable of planning beforehand is of "n-dimensional" mathematical value. The results in the end count more than anything else. —This unsigned comment was made by 67.203.140.119 (talk • contribs) .

Signing is not about having an account. You MUST sign, even if its an accountless IP address. And no one is arguing that he has perfect intelligence, nor have I ever heard it mentioned by anyone over the years from the wikia, or elsewhere in my travel. That would also be quite odd considering his father was more intelligent than he. So if Shikamaru had perfect, what did his father have? Godly?

Why is Itachi more intelligent? What has he done to show that? He made plans -- great and amazing plans -- but that isn't hard with his knowledge. He also had plans fail quite often. Am I then postulating he lacks intelligence? Not at all. He is fallible, just as Shikamaru is. Kakashi is intelligent, he is often described as being like Kiba, Shikamaru, etc. While being considered a genius, he also has many years of experience from many battles, and even war, and he also has sharingan. The way you quantify Shikamaru's intelligence compared to others, in simplest terms for the Narutoverse, is simply how good they are and how many steps ahead he is, regardless of the outcome. But losing or the results not favouring you in the end doesn't discount intelligence. I am not sure why you think the results mean anything when there's only so much that can be done, intelligence or not. If you put an academy student who thinks 1000 steps ahead of a kage-level Shinobi, it won't matter what the results are, because that student can only do so much. Does it make him any less intelligent? What if he had a reported IQ 60x the kage-level shinobi? He is still as intelligent. I am not sure what else to say because there isn't, and you don't seem to factor in everything, such as skills outside of intelligence, and many other variables. It's confusing.--Taynio (talk) 05:15, June 8, 2013 (UTC)

Let's consider special abilities, then... With the shadow possession jutsu, he doesn't exactly have his work cut out for him. Because of his special ability which he had most of his life to practice, he does not have to resort to such excessively strenuous methods as others would. The only safe bet any ninja would have against one with such a special power would be to remain midair through the entire duration of a battle. Since the universe of Naruto is not the same as Dragon Ball Z, to perform in constant midair is pretty much impossible. 67.203.140.113 (talk) 22:39, June 29, 2013 (UTC)Rustymoth

What the hell is this? Let me remind you guys again that this is not a forum and when you see things like this, they should be deleted and not responded to. This has no bearing on our articles nor our characters: there is no such thing as perfect in the first place.--Cerez365™(talk) 18:20, June 20, 2013 (UTC)

The points is, though he a genius tactician, he does not demonstrate himself to be quite so sharp in broader realms of human intelligence.

Certain individuals in positions of command make decisions which may at times offend the judgment of others. This is to say, their decisions as leader may seem strategically foolhardy or even stupid to subordinates, though there is broader reasoning behind their decision. Take Tsunade's decision in directly sending Naruto on missions to thwart members of the Akatsuki, for instance.

Shikamaru fails to fully recognize Naruto's significance during Nagato's invasion of Konoha. Shikamaru is not the only once who lacks clarity in grasping the intrinsic human value behind Naruto's specific worth... He is just another kid in the village who holds to a herd mentality.

Though this not a forum, the article could still somehow take note of this objective point. —This unsigned comment was made by RustyMOth (talk • contribs) .

During the fight with Hidan and Kakazu he seemed to display a higher than average skill in this field. Should we add a section on it? Or should we add an "other" category? (Evilpuppy (talk) 06:22, October 20, 2013 (UTC))

Could you source where and when he did? Munchvtec (talk) 15:50, May 21, 2014 (UTC)

Given how Shikamaru's dad was the leader of the Nara Clan, and with his death Shikamaru would have inherited the position, shouldn't he be listed as its leader at this point? --SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 09:20, December 7, 2014 (UTC)

Proof that Shikaku's death would've meant Shikamaru inheriting the position? Same goes for Ino and Inoichi. Chōji was called the Sixteenth Successor of the Akimichi Clan, so we know that he would become the Akimichi head after Chōza, but what about the Nara and Yamanaka?--JOA20 11:02, December 7, 2014 (UTC)