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If we agree that a person needs sex in their life (regardless if it's a male or a female), then given some specific situations they are bound to develop some (occasional and in regards to the specific situation) tendencies...

Church is one instance, were females are not exactly equal.Jail is another instance, were homosexuality, as far as I know thrives. Same sex high schools, seem to also have similar problems, though not as advanced (though old man just mentioned this, so I'm not too sure it's not as advanced after all).

We do need to differentiate between the necessary sexual activity, the sexual activity and sexual preferences. Someone mentioned it a couple of pages ago, but it's worth repeating!

It used to be the case that if a thread digressed on non-music topics for a long time, it was shut down. And if it was at all offensive or politically/culturally incendiary, it was shut down all the sooner. With the idea that there are other places on the internet for such discussions.

I wonder if there's been a change in philosophy on the part of the moderators?

I think I'm already starting to see the baleful influence of this thread on others. Irrelevant hot-topic cultural references are on the rise.

Same sex high schools, seem to also have similar problems, though not as advanced (though old man just mentioned this, so I'm not too sure it's not as advanced after all).

This was not just a same-sex high school. We lived there 24x7, except for Christmas holiday and summers. Couldn't step outside the 105 acre campus, or you were subject to expulsion. So this was a true "lock down". And that's what made it more "advanced".

Same sex high schools, seem to also have similar problems, though not as advanced (though old man just mentioned this, so I'm not too sure it's not as advanced after all).

This was not just a same-sex high school. We lived there 24x7, except for Christmas holiday and summers. Couldn't step outside the 105 acre campus, or you were subject to expulsion. So this was a true "lock down". And that's what made it more "advanced".

Well, churches don't pay property tax and they run bingos and all sorts of musical events, jazz, sufi dances, election and polling stations, teen dances in small town where the teenages hid their liquor in parking lot! With the high cost of daycare at $50 per child per day in Canada, every church there seems to be running daycares and ESL courses. I am just saying; I take no issue. Property taxes in western Canada runs 3 to 4 thousand at least per year for a average community sized lot - ie church lot.

Gay people have children. In fact, if you were gay in the time that my grandfather was a young man, it was probably quite likely that you would.

Yes, it was common, and still is to marry a women and have guys on the side. I have known Indian parents to tell their gay sons to go to India and get a wife and bring her back.

Isn't that what choice is all about, you choose to marry a wife then at 40 you decide to come out and divorce your wife and partner up with a young man your oldest son's age, you being 40 and the young man is 23. Plenty of example of that. Middleaged women don't take it well trying finding a second husband after having 3 kids and looking for a job after the divorce,

I weighed 240, pure fat at 58 - got guys to teach me baskeballand played eventually play 4 times a week. I wasn't good when you start at 58, but I "ran in circles" on the court and now weight 150-160. As an aside, my blood pressure is way down - so weightloss can help.

Gay people have children. In fact, if you were gay in the time that my grandfather was a young man, it was probably quite likely that you would.

Yes, it was common, and still is to marry a women and have guys on the side. I have known Indian parents to tell their gay sons to go to India and get a wife and bring her back.

Isn't that what choice is all about, you choose to marry a wife then at 40 you decide to come out and divorce your wife and partner up with a young man your oldest son's age, you being 40 and the young man is 23. Plenty of example of that. Middleaged women don't take it well trying finding a second husband after having 3 kids and looking for a job after the divorce,

In the US, around half of all marriages end in divorce - I suspect that not all of them involve guys who have figured out they are gay after being married for a while. In fact, I think it is fairly atypical. And, of course, women can and do initiate divorces for various reasons, too (including figuring out they are lesbian), which can be just as devastating to the husband as a divorce can be to a wife.

Of the divorces that do involve a gay man, I don't see any strong pattern of the guy hooking up with a much younger guys afterwards. I can think of four guys I've known over the years who realized they were gay after being married and having children, and only one seemed to have a particular interest in guys younger the he was (but they weren't nearly as young as his son, BTW). I also used to know one gay guy (who happened to be a fairly well-known concert pianist and teacher) who had a "convenience marriage" with a lesbian. They had a child, and amicably separated after the child was fully grown.

So, no, I don't think your description of it is particularly what choice is all about.

I think I'll close this down now. I think the original topic (whatever it was) has been pretty well exhausted. The character of the current discussion is probably more appropriate for a forum on GLBT social issues.

Meanwhile, there's a new post on Bach that's definitely appropriate for a piano forum. That thread has only 10 replies. This one has 411.

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