I figured that with all the people weighing in on the threads (mostly involving abuses by powerful people, coincidence?) where issues are discussed, and then some concerned road-block feels compelled to weigh in and say “Nothing can be done, why is this being discussed, I’m bored with this discussion among the adults, kill this thread, whine whine whine about others being interested in something” you just don’t get, or hope to derail.

Here is your thread, fill out your forms, discuss why you feel discussing something is pointless, complain about public input and concern, discourage yourself. Do that here.

Please quit doing your completely illogical rants about how rants are so pointless on threads where people actually believe this type of discussion has meaning. Thank you.

You are welcome. Carry on.

Camp THREAT: Dominating the porta potties 3 years running."If this is the best of all possible worlds, what are the others?"
- Voltaire, Candide

I'm pretty sure during the brief moment I met you on playa, Gr-ote, between me begging for bike help, and everyone at your camp laughing at my fuzzy slippers, that you pulled back a punch on me.
It was when I introduced myself.
You had your chance.
Something COULD have been done.
Regret is a bitch.

Camp THREAT: Dominating the porta potties 3 years running."If this is the best of all possible worlds, what are the others?"
- Voltaire, Candide

Bri: I do remember meeting you. I was trying to hand you a tamale as I recall. LOL!

BTW, I was rather fond of that particular horse before it passed on. Its name was "Decommodification". I'm just not sure what the point is now. Dead is dead. But this is turning into a fun rememberance thread just the same.

"To sum up my compassion level, I think we should feed the unwanted animals to the homeless. Or visa versa. Too much attention and money is spent on both."(A Beautiful Mind)

FlyingMonkey wrote:Entropy concerns me, but I hear nothing can be done.

You are just looking at it wrong. If you look at the universe with the arrow of time reversed, then entropy is decreasing - and that is bizarre.

Consider the following scenario:

You have a room filled with coins on the floor, and every single one of them is "tails" at 5:00pm. This can be thought of as a low entropy state. Then you have a process where a coin is chosen randomly and flipped each second. As time progresses, the room would settle into a higher entropy state of coins randomly heads or tails in approximately equal proportion.

Now - this flipping process is time-symmetric. One can run time in reverse and the same thing happens, if coins are randomly "reverse-flipped", then as the clock rewinds from 5:00pm to an earlier time, the coins will settle into a high entropy state of random heads and tails in roughly equal proportion.

The same holds with all the known laws of physics. Start at some low-entropy state at a specified time, and as time moves forward the entropy should increase. However, if you simulate time going backwards, these same rules generally predict that entropy should increase.

Somehow our universe found itself in an oddly ordered state around 13 billion years ago and has been expanding out into a general random mess of increasing entropy ever since.

FlyingMonkey wrote:Entropy concerns me, but I hear nothing can be done.

You are just looking at it wrong. If you look at the universe with the arrow of time reversed, then entropy is decreasing - and that is bizarre.

Consider the following scenario:

You have a room filled with coins on the floor, and every single one of them is "tails" at 5:00pm. This can be thought of as a low entropy state. Then you have a process where a coin is chosen randomly and flipped each second. As time progresses, the room would settle into a higher entropy state of coins randomly heads or tails in approximately equal proportion.

Now - this flipping process is time-symmetric. One can run time in reverse and the same thing happens, if coins are randomly "reverse-flipped", then as the clock rewinds from 5:00pm to an earlier time, the coins will settle into a high entropy state of random heads and tails in roughly equal proportion.

The same holds with all the known laws of physics. Start at some low-entropy state at a specified time, and as time moves forward the entropy should increase. However, if you simulate time going backwards, these same rules generally predict that entropy should increase.

Somehow our universe found itself in an oddly ordered state around 13 billion years ago and has been expanding out into a general random mess of increasing entropy ever since.

5280MeV wrote:...Somehow our universe found itself in an oddly ordered state around 13 billion years ago and has been expanding out into a general random mess of increasing entropy ever since.Why?

Okay, I had to have this read to me twice, but it implies that change is possible. On a cosmic scale. This kind of leads me to believe that change is possible even in something as ancient and time tested as Burner Culture and participant configuration...things akin to thunder and lightning, uncontrollable and beyond mere mortal comprehension. Yet here you are insinuating that the very nature of our universe has changed, can change. Then to add to the issue, you pursue information just to know more, as if you can, and as if that matters.... This really isn't the thread for your kind of open discourse. Well, not that anything can be done about that.

Camp THREAT: Dominating the porta potties 3 years running."If this is the best of all possible worlds, what are the others?"
- Voltaire, Candide

FlyingMonkey wrote:Entropy concerns me, but I hear nothing can be done.

You are just looking at it wrong. If you look at the universe with the arrow of time reversed, then entropy is decreasing - and that is bizarre.

Consider the following scenario:

You have a room filled with coins on the floor, and every single one of them is "tails" at 5:00pm. This can be thought of as a low entropy state. Then you have a process where a coin is chosen randomly and flipped each second. As time progresses, the room would settle into a higher entropy state of coins randomly heads or tails in approximately equal proportion.

Now - this flipping process is time-symmetric. One can run time in reverse and the same thing happens, if coins are randomly "reverse-flipped", then as the clock rewinds from 5:00pm to an earlier time, the coins will settle into a high entropy state of random heads and tails in roughly equal proportion.

The same holds with all the known laws of physics. Start at some low-entropy state at a specified time, and as time moves forward the entropy should increase. However, if you simulate time going backwards, these same rules generally predict that entropy should increase.

Somehow our universe found itself in an oddly ordered state around 13 billion years ago and has been expanding out into a general random mess of increasing entropy ever since.

Why?

Unless the coins started off all "heads" and then were flipped over to "tails", one at a time, in the time before 5:00pm. Then If you ran time backwards from 5:00pm the entropy state would remain low. I can't prove any of this however and can't do anything about it.

Life's a bitch, then you go to Burning Man - Unjonharley
We welcome the stranger, but that doesn't mean we have to like them, nor they us, and that's alright. - AntiM