For progression purposes, the sword will probably be nice, simply because it drops so early in the instance.

Yeah, although it wouldn't surprise me if one of the deeper bosses ends up way easier on HM than the 4th one the sword is off of. Looking forward to heroic raid testing and heroic 25 raid testing in particular.

Our Tier 16 stats seem to have been implemented in this latest build. Same name as T15 at the moment, but different stats/sockets now. Of course, being PTR, the stats/socket colors can still change. That is a lot of red sockets. However, pretty decent stats with most pieces having haste.

Just wow, looking at those stats it wouldn't even be a bad thing to wear 5/5 tier considering we'll probably be able to use all the hit/expertise on it to it's full potential as well. Going to be really easy to reach 50% haste next tier if these stats don't change a lot.

Working on early item setups, hard to predict still but as far as I've seen the double blue socket shoulders are best offset. Heroic ilvls, "thunderforged" and valor upgrades are going to fuck everything up again. Coming up atm with 120 exp rating over cap and 50 hit over cap, higher ilvl items will make these higher meaning we'll most likely take the crit + mastery neck and so on.
Feel free to chip in.

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Originally Posted by etsumii92

Human and dwarf paladins will most likely be looking at the mace, unless the tier pieces have insane expertise gains.

we can gem exp/haste gems in red sockets, there's overall not a lot of exp on gear next tier. there's also somewhat a lack of hit so even Draenei looks like a good option, going draenei will allow you to go a crit item instead of a hit item and reforge that crit to whatever's needed.

the 553 non valor non "TF" gear setup I'm looking at already gives us 11k mastery unbuffed and around 17k haste. That's ofc unbuffed and without taking professions into consideration. No doubt in my mind that in BiS we'll look at around 14-16k mastery and 18-19k haste depedning on which trinkets we end up using, specifically the % increase of mastery and haste, which I didn't take into consideration with the estimates. We can chose to go to the 21-22k mark where gcd gets to what we want but with the % rating trinket the haste rating needed is going to drop to around 18-19k leaving more room for mastery. Hell, at this point I wouldn't be surprised if we end up running with haste and mastery at equal ratings.

Not sure about where is this haste thing going. We will have to press our buttons a lot faster in order to keep up with others in dps charts. And yet we will be out dps`ed
by a guy playing other class with 1.5 sec gcd. After 4 hours of raiding your hands will be in pain and u wont be top dps in team as a reward

Not sure about where is this haste thing going. We will have to press our buttons a lot faster in order to keep up with others in dps charts. And yet we will be out dps`ed
by a guy playing other class with 1.5 sec gcd. After 4 hours of raiding your hands will be in pain and u wont be top dps in team as a reward

Haha I agree with you, I liked ret back when we had 1.5 gcd, it's a comfortable pace in my opinion.

Haha I agree with you, I liked ret back when we had 1.5 gcd, it's a comfortable pace in my opinion.

Yep. I have some input lag, and on the pull keeping up shit sucks. I was prepulling with the Kafa press rare item the other day, and it's impossible to keep up with that kind of haste(with my input lag at least)

Sha of Fear Melee hit You 372908 Physical. (766625 Overkill) (Critical)Begging us to buff is sometimes easier than trying to beat the boss.(Source)

Yep. I have some input lag, and on the pull keeping up shit sucks. I was prepulling with the Kafa press rare item the other day, and it's impossible to keep up with that kind of haste(with my input lag at least)

May be a silly question, but have you tried adjusting UI to have ability fire on key press, rather than key release? May buy you a few MS back, if you haven't already done so.

Originally Posted by Malthanis

We'll all be appropriately shocked/amazed when Nairobi actually gets an avatar, but until then, let's try to not derail the thread heckling him about it.

Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment

If it was that easy don't you think we would have figured that out? (Source)

I've had abilities done on key press rather than release for years, everyone should have it set as well :P

Agreed, that's why I led with "may be a silly question, but..."

As a DPS, and 99% of the time as a tank, there is no reason NOT to do this. However, I know that sometimes as a healer I've enjoyed leaving the option off so as not to waste a (instant) heal that was just sniped. I've "held" abilities as a tank, as well, but those times are quite rare. Still, as a DPS, there is pretty much no reason to, ever. May help comensate for Revvo's latency a tad.

Originally Posted by Malthanis

We'll all be appropriately shocked/amazed when Nairobi actually gets an avatar, but until then, let's try to not derail the thread heckling him about it.

Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment

If it was that easy don't you think we would have figured that out? (Source)

way to early to decide what's going to be BiS, but before the crit trinket got broken (intentionally afaik) on PTR it gave 40% crit with a 60% uptime (on normal ilvl, gg).
If it stays like that when it's fixed then it's going to be mandetory, after that it's a throwdown between the cd reducing trinket and the % amplification trinket.
If they fix the crit trinket enough (like I think they will) the CD reducing trinket and the % stat amplification trinket will be the 2 best trinkets, that said I wouldn't be surprised if we end up having 3 trinkets next tier and swap around depending on the fight.

As a DPS, and 99% of the time as a tank, there is no reason NOT to do this. However, I know that sometimes as a healer I've enjoyed leaving the option off so as not to waste a (instant) heal that was just sniped. I've "held" abilities as a tank, as well, but those times are quite rare. Still, as a DPS, there is pretty much no reason to, ever. May help comensate for Revvo's latency a tad.

Haven't looked at this thread in a bit, but yes I do have trigger on downpress on.

Sha of Fear Melee hit You 372908 Physical. (766625 Overkill) (Critical)Begging us to buff is sometimes easier than trying to beat the boss.(Source)

Does going over 50% Melee Haste give any advantage? or wouldn't it be better to gem/reforge to 21250 haste and then to mastery? When we get the 14% crit/haste trinket we could even reforge haste away to stay at a 50% haste cap. Raidbuffed I am at 48% haste on live with suboptimal 540 gear.

I wonder what will happen to haste once 5.4 hits and I gear up.

Originally Posted by Boubouille

Yeah, we hate humor and we do not allow it. Last time someone tried to be funny we tracked him down with his IP and broke his leg, then we forced him to race change all his characters to female dwarves. If you think you can be funny on my forums, think twice. (Also I will actually track down and kill anyone using that as a signature)

Yes, they mean it! Got a broken leg, a female Dwarf and an infraction. Don't mess with humor folks !