Without power, all the stuff that we have will still be there, its just that most of it wont be usable. But think about it....how much do each of us rely on power in our daily lives. Now take that away. Sure we will have spoiled food in our freezers but think about what else we rely on....tv, computers, lights, house hold appliances etc. How many of you work at places where electronic things play a big part? In addition to that, our regular lives will be slowed down with no traffic lights, no cash registers, (meaning it will take a bit longer to make change) no movie theaters, certain businesses wont be able to operate (ex. restaurants).

Without power there will be crime, terrorist strikes (taking a wild guess there), communications will be down, (most of it anyways) and our daily lives will change drastically depending on what you do. Its gonna be extremely hard to fix everything with all the above shit going on.

dragoon9105 wrote:Um batteries can be made with any household acid and two conductive materials. and most people who have any knowledge of chemistry know how to make a battery. and wiring.

And how are you going to go about getting, not only all the necessary equipment, but also charge these batteries in a timely fashion?

dragoon9105 wrote:the same can be said with simple mechanical generators (they do come with instructions you know)

once again, how much of this will work?

dragoon9105 wrote:Windmills will still work as they did in the middle ages.

Windmills back in the day were all mechanical, nowadays they're all electrical, thus, they won't work. Plus. how many of those are close enough to your current location to make a reasonable difference?

dragoon9105 wrote:We still have tool, some are electric while others arent.

Okay? so hammer and screwdrivers are going to maintain social order?

dragoon9105 wrote:We still have weapons most of witch dont need to be plugged in to work

which are going to be how useful? explain what that truly matters, aside from defending your land from other gun-toting individuals....oh wait...you probably don't even have a gun, nor access to one, so you'll probably be shot.

and to add to what AJ said, most vehicles are pretty much on limited lifeline, since A. a lot have microchips that manage the engine and without which they are dead, and the solar flares could shortwire these. and B. fuel will be limited since the gas pumps are electrically powered.

Oh, that IS pretty secret technology. Only every electrical engineer out there knows how to do it.

KristallNacht wrote:hell, most of the things that really matter (and alot of the stuff that doesn't) only a few REALLY know how to do.

Only if we're talking F-16s.

Unless you're a city moron, you probably have a pretty good idea of how a lot of things work. You can learn how to grow food. You can figure out how to repair old cars. You can figure out how to distill ethanol.

KristallNacht wrote:none of which have any direct bearing on law and order (except the AKs, but they are equally for disorder)

I really think you guess are overestimating america's ability to operate in a global blackout

And I think you're enjoying the Apocalypse Mindset.It ain't going to go all at once.Computers will still be able to operate in Faraday cages.The National Guard could set up some sort of communication system, either by rocket or by train.Older cars will still be able to run if they're diesels. They can even run on old grease.Westinghouse still has the drafts of their older trains. Non-electric trains.Hell, the Grant County PUD still has the paper blueprints of everything in the Priest Rapids and Wanapum Dams.

On science: I can make a weak powered battery out of common household objects, and a stronger one with some Car Battery Acid. I'm sure some scientist somewhere could do a whole lot better.

With Crime: Your forgetting that we still have the National Guard, the Police, SWAT Teams, the FBI, and, if things get bad, the military.

With communication: How hard would it be to refit a Jet to not use electronics? Sure, it would be more difficult, but you would have less air traffic, and the Pilots would be much better trained.

On Terrorism: If all power goes out, the Armed Forces will practically go into lock-down. They would be much more rigourous in terrorist areas that they are already positioned in, and it would be much harder for terrorists to even reach the US in the first place.

TNine wrote:On science: I can make a weak powered battery out of common household objects, and a stronger one with some Car Battery Acid. I'm sure some scientist somewhere could do a whole lot better.

With Crime: Your forgetting that we still have the National Guard, the Police, SWAT Teams, the FBI, and, if things get bad, the military.

With communication: How hard would it be to refit a Jet to not use electronics? Sure, it would be more difficult, but you would have less air traffic, and the Pilots would be much better trained.

On Terrorism: If all power goes out, the Armed Forces will practically go into lock-down. They would be much more rigourous in terrorist areas that they are already positioned in, and it would be much harder for terrorists to even reach the US in the first place.

It is called a missile.And who will we they know what is going on when there is no communication.

TNine wrote:On science: I can make a weak powered battery out of common household objects, and a stronger one with some Car Battery Acid. I'm sure some scientist somewhere could do a whole lot better.

which is good right? because batteries don't need to be charged or anything....

TNine wrote:With Crime: Your forgetting that we still have the National Guard, the Police, SWAT Teams, the FBI, and, if things get bad, the military.

how will they work when they can't coordinate and communicate?

TNine wrote:With communication: How hard would it be to refit a Jet to not use electronics? Sure, it would be more difficult, but you would have less air traffic, and the Pilots would be much better trained.

you are aware all aircraft nowadays are pretty much all electronic right? its called 'fly-by-wire'

TNine wrote:On Terrorism: If all power goes out, the Armed Forces will practically go into lock-down. They would be much more rigourous in terrorist areas that they are already positioned in, and it would be much harder for terrorists to even reach the US in the first place.

because lockdown works without power......

chances are before any armed force could coordinate itself, the damage would already be done.

Go back 70 years to communist countries, they didnt need power and computers all they needed was some weak minded invdividuals with some ak-47's.

The worst possible outcome of this is the question what would a solar flare do to our 100+ nuclear missiles.

Belive it or not its not that hard to build eletrical equipment. There are pre-microchip cars out there. Not every mechanic needs electricity to fix something.

Your just underestimating the human race's ability to rebuild. It will take time yes but it wont be an apocalypse. Well unless theres a massive global war for recources but thats not possible is it?... ok maybe it is

I would start in this debate, however I have no idea how this is supposed to happen, there are to many variables to say one thing might, or might not happen.If it is a flood, the effects would obviously differs to that of a meteor colliding with the Earth.So I'm not getting involved in this right now.

Ukurse wrote:I would start in this debate, however I have no idea how this is supposed to happen, there are to many variables to say one thing might, or might not happen.If it is a flood, the effects would obviously differs to that of a meteor colliding with the Earth.So I'm not getting involved in this right now.

dragoon9105 wrote:Belive it or not its not that hard to build eletrical equipment. There are pre-microchip cars out there. Not every mechanic needs electricity to fix something.

and that lasts you so long, since there aren't any manual pump gas stations.

Try to go tomorrow without doing something that is directly affected by the active power grids

guess what? you will fail. guaranteed. Our world (advanced civilization) is nearly Dependant on the power grids to function.

how can you guys not see that killing the power grids cuts out every option you think you have to maintain a similar life to what you have now. It's impossible. and chaos WILL break out.

chaos will break out.... but civilization won't end.....

most industry has.... you know.... kept RECORDS of how to build old machines and such.... I'm not even an engineer any more and I know how to build mechanically powered things like a steam engine (had to build one in engineering 101) .....

humans are smart... humans are adaptave.... things will be difficult for a month or two after the power goes out.... but people will get over it and move on.... and try to figure out a way to fix it..... most people don't instantly become criminals who try to bring down humanity the moment the power shuts off.....

unless every human on earth is killed.... or every human except for mentally handicapped people are killed..... civilization will continue.... even if it is to a lesser extent than what we have now.... weve gotten by for thousands of years without electricity.... if we have to do it again... we will