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LUM 34A

Subject: Made Dial -i- &L ,4O. fl

Interviewer: Lew Barton li'jL iL "*
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Date: October 25, 1972

Typist: Josephine Ann Suslowicz

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B: This is October 25, 1972. I am Lew Barton interviewing for the Doris Duke

American Indian Oral History Program. This afternoon we are in the home of

Mr. Made--what is your last name, sir?

D: Made Samson. Di

B: Samson?

D: That's the name of my step-brother. I'm a Dial.

B: You're a Dial.

D: My mother's a Dial, and -T 4( ,

B: And your first name is spelled M-A-D-E?

D: M-A-D-E, Made.

B: D-I-A-L, and, uh, how old are you sir?

D: Well, S g mmz-r -I'm 98.

B: Oh, that's great.

D: Second day of August.

B: Of this year.

D: Yeah.

B: That's certainly great. Let me check my tape just for a second to make sure

we're recording and I'll want to ask you some questions. It's such a pleasure

to meet you,sir. So, you're 98 years old.

D: 98

B: That's great. ub is your memory still good?

D: As good as it ever was.
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B: I heard it was. I heard you could remember all those things that happened..

D: All my life through. Where I went, and everything,

B: Do you--do you remember the Shake?

D: Eh?

B: What we call the Shake.

D: Yeah.

B: S-H-A-K-E in this area. This is an--an earthquake which came in 1888.

I says I been forbidden not to open that door. I'll get a whipping if I open

it.

B: Uh-huh.

D: God-dogged if I ain't a going-to open it. i'ii 'V .yard down about a half

a mile from the house.

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B: Uh-huh.

D: Made of brick. There were two roads that go down to the field, or go around so

you can go to it. There's a big bunch of C,9 berries down there, at the
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brick yard. Uncle Willy even got a ay, hisself _-" JL He say, Made
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he says, open that God-dog-it door. I says, I can't do it, and when I opened

it I says, C_(dt CA ) I never didn't hurt it.

B: Uh-huh.

D: And he's the only one that did hurt in the family. He never wanted to wash.

B: Um-hum.

D: And he come through that doQr like a goat.(laughs)

B: Re A I heard something about somebody running around the house
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and they got that wicky--made them so hot that they got out of their clothes

and started running around the house and yell to their wife and says, have my

clothes when I make the next round.

D: (Laughs)

B: Did you hear. ?

D: Yeah, and Uncle Willy took off th ir /-^ 44 ,- And this is the
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only s4y- - the house* at's from here up yonder--that house yonder, and then

gO 1 4- goes around the old rcOCU. yonder--that's a bunch of

"-brrrei now.

B: U"-hum .. c fsc nIcc I C AzC

D: (deepC- -th-u^ -.A-. la ump y"n in the water and come up.

By the time you come up \ say God-dog it, God-dog-it. I got--

I got to laughing and he heard it. Said, Made I hears you.' Ain't you hears
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something? I--laid- out in the 1t4 berries there watching him. My Grandmother
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sent me there to watch him. He .L "k--d., ______ and he come up a

shivering and God-dogging itching, and kept '-

B: Um-hum.

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D: I'm hiding--he looks all around. He says, Made, where are you? You here some-

where. I was in the Ift berries. He couldn't see me.

B: Um-hum.

D: Got--he got out and come and the air full of these little fti> I rjc/Ar-

about that long.

B: Um-hum.

D: That:light on your hand. After hunting e got IVCA And I was running.

Close to the house, and I went up to thel ) P^^'6 I1 went up a#

ree. I was, uh, /CI G knocked me down the trunk and

dow-the_ (laughs) and we'ld play games like that on one another.

B: Did, uh, Indian people used to make their own whiskey?

D: Yep.

B: In the backyard or in the woods, or somewhere like that?

D: Woods. In the L r/O made whiskey right down there in the. .

B: They still do. Some of them still do.that, don't they?

D: Huh?

B: Don't you think some of that, still -goes-od-today? Uh, don't you think, think a

little--a little whiskey is made in the woods still, today?
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D: I believe it is. 'Even my brother-in-law made it.

B: Say 4e did?

D: Yeah.

B: Was that strong stuff?

D: Eh?

B: Was it strong?

D: Good and strong, yes.

B: Well. .

D: The ______ it was strong enough.

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B: The backings? Now what's the backings?

D: The backings that whiskey comes from and later on when the whiskey comes running.

B: Uh-huh, what's left of the backings?

D: Tk" tc (Loti- Ltr iLLk *a,(

B: I see.

D: See, it's caught in a copper still.

B: Yes sir.

D: We had a tank--a ) tank.

B: Uh-huh.

D: About a forty gallon tank, and we cut the top out of it--the tank, and I had

me a copper cap made and the worm opened.

B: Now what is the worm, is that. ?

D: Copper.

B: Made out of copper. Is that what, uh, the fumes--is that what the--is this what

the steam, after beerier (?) boiling comes through this copper pipe, and this

copper pipe comes through water and gets cooled and then gets condensed, is that

right?

D: IeL a condenser.

B: So the worm is a condenser then, isn't it?

D: Yes. Our still was eton that island down there for two years, me and my brother-

in-law.

B: Uh-huh.

D: Theres-' t-l grape brandy down there.

B: Grape brandy.

D: Yeah, make it out of grapes.

B: Uh-huh.

D: It's grapes, but. .

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B: How about persimmon beer and persimmon brandy? Did you ever drink any of that?