FlyingGreg wrote:I agree. But all the happy joy joy's will find a way to excuse it, just wait...

That's right. Turn your rage against other Hawks fans. That will make everything better.

Interesting....didn't see "rage". I just know that we will see excuses across the board for this.

I do like how you just find a way to single me out in a thread I didn't start. Thanks! You are getting good at that. Why don't you attack the guy that started the thread?

So tell me, what good comes from a loss like this? Half the problem we have is our fan base just embraces mediocrity.

Yeah, I singled you out. You deserved it. This is the second loss where I've seen you cast aspersions on people who DARE to have a positive outlook on the team.

I didn't respond to the thread starter because he made a valid post... being upset over repeated bad road performances. That was directed at the team, not other Hawks fans (the "happy happy joy joys" you mentioned).

What good comes from a loss like this? Not much, honestly. Wilson played well, but there was some awful play from the D, and some awful coaching calls, imo. The only bright spot other than that I can think of is that losses to AFC teams don't factor into tiebreakers, so if there was a game we could afford to lose out of our remaining games, it was this one. That's not to say losing is okay, or that our road performances are no big deal.

Now, me being an optimist - or one of the happy happy joy joys - I'm not going to start up all the "fire everybody!!" threads, because I think that's just reactionary and firing people in the middle of the season doesn't make for dramatic improvements. Never has. That's the territory of truly bad teams - and even with the road woes, Seattle isn't a truly bad team. But that doesn't mean I embrace mediocrity, either.

volsunghawk wrote:Yeah, I singled you out. You deserved it. This is the second loss where I've seen you cast aspersions on people who DARE to have a positive outlook on the team.

I didn't respond to the thread starter because he made a valid post... being upset over repeated bad road performances. That was directed at the team, not other Hawks fans (the "happy happy joy joys" you mentioned).

What good comes from a loss like this? Not much, honestly. Wilson played well, but there was some awful play from the D, and some awful coaching calls, imo. The only bright spot other than that I can think of is that losses to AFC teams don't factor into tiebreakers, so if there was a game we could afford to lose out of our remaining games, it was this one. That's not to say losing is okay, or that our road performances are no big deal.

Now, me being an optimist - or one of the happy happy joy joys - I'm not going to start up all the "fire everybody!!" threads, because I think that's just reactionary and firing people in the middle of the season doesn't make for dramatic improvements. Never has. That's the territory of truly bad teams - and even with the road woes, Seattle isn't a truly bad team. But that doesn't mean I embrace mediocrity, either.

And you deserved the rebuttal. Look back - I didn't cast aspersions on anyone, I made a generic statement.

The fire everybody threads are silly. Notice I'm no part of them.

Mediocrity = finishing 9-7,8-8 or 7-9 most every season, which has defined this franchise.

I think you are upset with losing just as much as I do, but you tune into threads like this to try and make yourself feel better by being the Optimism Police. It's ok to be pissed off, especially when its beyond merited.

If I start a "Seahawks suck", "fire Carroll/Bevell" or another thread like that - game on.

But I've got as much a right to claim oblivion (the happy happy joy joys) as you do the right to single me out for it. That's attacking the poster, not the post.

I feel like I am wasting my time with this team, and this loss. This one is making me realize I need to quit devoting so much time and energy into this. Every week I am on this board way too much, and unless it is a home game I am very disappointed and feel like shit.

volsunghawk wrote:Yeah, I singled you out. You deserved it. This is the second loss where I've seen you cast aspersions on people who DARE to have a positive outlook on the team.

I didn't respond to the thread starter because he made a valid post... being upset over repeated bad road performances. That was directed at the team, not other Hawks fans (the "happy happy joy joys" you mentioned).

What good comes from a loss like this? Not much, honestly. Wilson played well, but there was some awful play from the D, and some awful coaching calls, imo. The only bright spot other than that I can think of is that losses to AFC teams don't factor into tiebreakers, so if there was a game we could afford to lose out of our remaining games, it was this one. That's not to say losing is okay, or that our road performances are no big deal.

Now, me being an optimist - or one of the happy happy joy joys - I'm not going to start up all the "fire everybody!!" threads, because I think that's just reactionary and firing people in the middle of the season doesn't make for dramatic improvements. Never has. That's the territory of truly bad teams - and even with the road woes, Seattle isn't a truly bad team. But that doesn't mean I embrace mediocrity, either.

And you deserved the rebuttal. Look back - I didn't cast aspersions on anyone, I made a generic statement.

The fire everybody threads are silly. Notice I'm no part of them.

Mediocrity = finishing 9-7,8-8 or 7-9 most every season, which has defined this franchise.

I think you are upset with losing just as much as I do, but you tune into threads like this to try and make yourself feel better by being the Optimism Police. It's ok to be pissed off, especially when its beyond merited.

If I start a "Seahawks suck", "fire Carroll/Bevell" or another thread like that - game on.

But I've got as much a right to claim oblivion (the happy happy joy joys) as you do the right to single me out for it. That's attacking the poster, not the post.

When you post dismissive stuff like, "Oh, here comes the HHJJs to make excuses," that sounds an awful lot like attacking an entire class of posters. It's be the same if I started posting "Here come the chicken littles to tell us how this is the worst team in the league". That's directing my anger at the loss toward other .NET members instead of the performance on the field. And notice that I didn't do that. Nor do I plan to start.

And I don't think I attacked the poster when I responded to you. I didn't say, "Greg, you ignorant slut." I did suggest that attacking other .NET members wasn't particularly useful right now. If you'd been criticizing our defense, fine. I'm right there with you. But you weren't doing that. You were directing your post at the HHJJs (and another in the other thread directed at "stat geeks"). Tell me how that's not attacking posters, yet what I did was?

Largent80 wrote:I feel like I am wasting my time with this team, and this loss. This one is making me realize I need to quit devoting so much time and energy into this. Every week I am on this board way too much, and unless it is a home game I am very disappointed and feel like shit.

really, I am sad today for my feeling.

We've lost some close one's and I wasn't really bothered by them. This one though, I can't lie, hurts a lot.

Close one's don't get us victories. The seahawks have a good defense and a decent offense. A contender puts those close games away. This team needs to unroll their identity on the road and punch people in the mouth like we do at home.

Largent80 wrote:I feel like I am wasting my time with this team, and this loss. This one is making me realize I need to quit devoting so much time and energy into this. Every week I am on this board way too much, and unless it is a home game I am very disappointed and feel like shit.

really, I am sad today for my feeling.

I am with you there Rob. Like I need this shit with my health issues. The Hawks are slowly killing me.

Largent80 wrote:I feel like I am wasting my time with this team, and this loss. This one is making me realize I need to quit devoting so much time and energy into this. Every week I am on this board way too much, and unless it is a home game I am very disappointed and feel like shit.

really, I am sad today for my feeling.

I am with you there Rob. Like I need this shit with my health issues. The Hawks are slowly killing me.

Facts are facts. I get bashed for being "negative" when I point out the facts that aren't putting someone in a nice light. We'll here's a fact:

West coast teams only win about 22% of the time when travelling to the east coast for a 10AM game. Circadian cycles are real and in the NFL, where athletes are like fine tuned machines, the effect is blatantly obvious.

We play that game at 1pm, we probably don't lose.

People can say well, good teams overcome those obstacles. NO, THEY DON'T. We're not unique. Our team is flesh and blood, not made up of ubermen. We go to the east coast to play at 10AM and it's as if the NFL decided to gift Miami a win and curse us with a loss.

So don't get po'd at the Hawks, get PO'd at the NFL for ignoring the overwhelming data and not scheduling west coast teams to play on the east coast at 10 AM.

Richard Sherman doesn't just wanna get in your head, he wants to build a vacation home there.

R. Sherman: "I don't want to be an island. I want to be a tourist attraction. You come, I take your money & you go."

SalishHawkFan wrote:Facts are facts. I get bashed for being "negative" when I point out the facts that aren't putting someone in a nice light. We'll here's a fact:

West coast teams only win about 22% of the time when travelling to the east coast for a 10AM game. Circadian cycles are real and in the NFL, where athletes are like fine tuned machines, the effect is blatantly obvious.

We play that game at 1pm, we probably don't lose.

People can say well, good teams overcome those obstacles. NO, THEY DON'T. We're not unique. Our team is flesh and blood, not made up of ubermen. We go to the east coast to play at 10AM and it's as if the NFL decided to gift Miami a win and curse us with a loss.

So don't get po'd at the Hawks, get PO'd at the NFL for ignoring the overwhelming data and not scheduling west coast teams to play on the east coast at 10 AM.

I also say this but the Niners, Raiders, Broncos won many bowls and they overcame it.

Largent80 wrote:I feel like I am wasting my time with this team, and this loss. This one is making me realize I need to quit devoting so much time and energy into this. Every week I am on this board way too much, and unless it is a home game I am very disappointed and feel like shit.

really, I am sad today for my feeling.

I am with you there Rob. Like I need this shit with my health issues. The Hawks are slowly killing me.

So will you both sport shirts reading "I'm out"?

I can say that this captures my feeling at this point as well. By no means am I out. I'm IN for the whole season... and beyond. But right now, I feel lousy. Personally, a little venting here will help me get over it and enjoy the last hour of sunshine on this otherwise beautiful day.