>>21812839[Not the guy you were replying to]Has anyone ever told you that people like you are the ones who are actually ruining the franchise?Pokémon is about the experience as a whole, just because a game doesn't have, say, gym leader rematches, doesn't mean it's fucking shit.Also, this lore is cool as fuck and if you don't think so, well, you happen to be quite retarded.

His "satiety" does not change a damn thing.Nothing an American player of the game does will ever change how the next ones will be.

>>21812746I can't see Pokemon even doing much with the concept, I just hate the fact that you can't mention multiverses without people bringing up Infinite, which not only was far from the first story to heavily utilize different dimensions but also did it terribly to boot.

>>21813120Eh, maybe so, but they left enough leeway for it to work, and now they're actively making it that way what with Windwaker connecting directly to Ocarina and Twilight Princess also serving as an alternate timeline direct sequel. Skyward Sword is the be-all, end-all beginning unless they make like a SUPER prequel where you play the original champion of Hylia, but that would be a bit bittersweet, as that didn't have a good end.

Either way, the classic games don't really fit 100% to a continuity, but Nintendo is trying their damnedest to work with them, and every new entry is actively placed into that timeline somewhere. Pokemon probably did the same thing. Personally, I give zero shits where a pokemon game takes place in a timeline, because it's not exactly known for deep, emotional story-telling. Zelda has become known for that over time, so it does. Apples and Oranges friend.

Looker was in X/Y and they had a few references to past games, with that art museum and whatnot.

I suspect just for the sake of ORAS they came up with a reason in the lore to remake it.Basically by stating that ORAS is an alternate reality they can get away with remaking it and connecting it to the main timeline, and other remakes without negating past events.

A clever little loophole that allows them to do more future side stories and remakes, but continue the main storyline.

>>21813483I don't understand why people call Yellow non-canon. Story-wise it had extremely minor differences; it just had some extra characters here and there that alluded to the anime. That's it. The main story is still exactly the same as R/G/B.

Timeline 1:RBY-GSC=Time capsule invented, time paradox goes on for so long without consequence, until timeline is eventually reset by malfunction-Timeline 2:FRLG=RSE-HGSS=DPPt-BW-B2W2=XY=Time Capsule reinvented, connects to Hoenn region from however many years ago, doing so disturbs time, ORAS, timeline 3 formed.

>>21813599Just about every time I make the desicsion to post on /vp/, one of my first three or so posts ends up being a GET. Of course, this is on a board that moves fast enough for everyone to see dubs or better at least once in a day. That and, you know, this board isn't bothered much by such things.

That said, I'd trade my ability to land dubs for more consistent crits from the RNGod in an instant.

why does everyone seem to think that XY is included in the separate cannon or ORAS?

there's no evidence to suggest that. in XY's universe mega evolution is something that is central to and was discovered in kalos. from what i've heard of ORAS, mega evolution is tied somehow to rayquaza.

i propose that XY is in the same universe as RBYGSCRSEDPPtBWBW2, and the only one in a separate universe is ORAS

>>21813981But Anon, reading into shit is what American geeks do. Our cultural ancestors are the people who jizzed themselves when Mr. Snakes On A Plane showed up at the end of Iron Man and announced The Avengers.

>>21813979>was discovered in kalosNo, it was created because of a cannon shot 3000 years ago by AZ. Apparently it hit a meteorite, the stones mutated and became the mega stones. And I believe there's where they make the connection.

>>21813979>why does everyone seem to think that XY is included in the separate cannon or ORAS?Zinnia confirms that the Ultimate Weapon didn't get set off in the old universe, so XY takes place in the same universe as ORAS.

>>21814057If nothing else, Gamefreak at least tries to come up with excuses for its retcons. That's why they make it a point to make sure that new evolutions of old Pokemon require something that was unavailable in past generations (although they kind of screwed up with Piloswine).

>>21813477>gen 7 announced>you can choose one of three main characters>looker, cynthia, or zinnia>The other 2 are your rivals>Plot focuses around traveling to other "universes" or gens traveling to stop Hoopa>yfw

I've always liked the plots and lore of pokemon (inb4 who plays for the plot?), and these past 2 (I guess three, with DPPt) have been great, as I can see where GF is trying to get better when it comes to the games' plots and characters and shit.

>>21814106To be fair, they never really explained why Magnemite was suddenly part steel, and the emergence of dark types. I don't think they'll explain the reason why some pokemon are fairy types.

>>21814134At the end of Episode Delta the plan is to teleport the asteroid to the RSE dimension, but Zinnia explains that the ultimate weapon from the war 3000 years ago was never built in that dimension and Mega Evolution never became a thing. The RSE would have no way to stop the astoroid as a result, so Zinnia destroys the teleporting thingy

>Primal Groudon/Kyogre theme>you can hear parts of the original GBA theme fading in and out among the new version of the theme>The new theme is actually a combination of all their themes in all the universes>Primal Reversion is them obtaining the power from all their versions from all the different universes/timelines and becoming their true self, the ones that created the original land and sea

>>21814207>RSE starts a linear timeline up to the kalos games>ORAS timeline is the one where the ultimate weapon was built.>Establishing a link with past Hoenn via time capsule Joins X/Y to that timeline and all its' history>X/Y universe represents a joint future between the original and the remakeThe plot thickens

>When you send a Pokemon forward between Gen 3 and Gen 5, the Pokemon always has a "traveled through time" message>Sending it from Gen 5 to Gen 6 changes the message to "Traveled through Time and Space"God damn it, Gamefreak.

>>21814218I imagine that there's a "prime universe" where the legendary pokemon really do what their lore says.

>A world where Regigas really did tow the continents>A world where Kyogre and Groudon did create the sea and land>A world where the DPPt legendaries are truly masters of time and space and God>All of the various timelines use this "Poke-Earth Prime" as a point of reference

>>21813566>tfw you will never get to play a remake of G/S/C where you know the events of R/B/Y and R/S/E have already taken place, so you get to travel to both Kanto and Hoenn and battle Red and Brendan/May

>>21814481Az built the ultimate weapon because of his Floette. The reason he didn't build it in the old timeline was because there were no Floette and fairies didn't exist. Instead, the war ended quietly and wasn't important enough to go down in history.

The truth is that the pokémon universe itself is a pokémon and he's actually evolving. Each time he evolves, it becomes a new reality with at least 3 concurrent timelines. He's already on it's third stage, which means next timeline will introduce 4-stage evolutions

>>21814551No? Nothing particularly implies post game content is non-canon. The only thing questionable about it in the past was the abundance of supposedly unique legendaries running around, which is now explained by Hoopa + alt universes.

>Arceus = Typical demiurge that periodically spawns from the chaos of the Distortion World and creates a local reality.

>Palkia and Dialga - They dictate the laws of physics within the demiurge's local reality.

>Giratina - They guard the boundary between a local reality and baseline reality, preventing anomalous phenomena like Hoopa from intruding.

>Groudon, Kyogre, and Rayquaza - Typical anagers of the local Earth.

>Azelf, Mesprit, and Uxie - They dictate the three attributes of sapience within humanity.

>Humanity - The typical favored earthly residents. Although they don't seem like they should be the dominant species compared to earthly Pokemon, most demiurges twist fate to put them in charge. A notable exception is the PMD reality.

>Hoopa - A resident of the Distortion World. It managed to poke its way into the XY/ORAS reality and fuck with everyone because the local Giratina is still butthurt.

>>21814823Maybe humans based their language off of the unknown. Or, maybe the unknown are messengers that communicated with humans to bring them closer to understanding pokemon, so together, they can live a harmonious life.

>>21814571I only assumed that because the stuff you do post-game in BW doesn't happen in BW2, because the protag apparently ran off searching for N?

I mean, Red becoming champion is canon for sure.

>>21814594Er, what are the other post game events that are canon? Red catching Mewtwo(?), etc.

I haven't been paying too much attention to the leaks I heard something about Steven stepping down and Wallace taking over, but what happened to you? Is it that you basically step down as soon as you become champ and Steven is "still" the champion? Or is it that Steven stepping down and Wallace taking over is not exactly canon?

>>21814959Going from Gen 5 to Gen 6 makes it clear that you aren't just moving your Pokemon forward or backward in time, see>>21813164>>21814388So XY is almost definitely split off even though you can go from No Megaverse to Megaverse with the Bank.

>>21814964>Red catching MewtwoSidequest. For something to be part of the main plot post-E4, it has to be a scenarized or scripted at least to a certain extent.Gold beating Kanto Gym Leaders and challenging Red, and Brendan being invited to BF by Scott in Emerald are two examples that come to mind.

>>21815084>Celebi is an ancient Pokemon that in part represents the peaceful side of nature that can travel through time>Hoopa is a much more vulgar equivalent >Celebi is Psychic Grass, Hoopa is Psychic Ghost

What if Hoopa IS Celebi, but instead of being born as a product of the positive influences of nature it was born from the chaos the war 3000 years ago created?

>>21815268Mew, Celebi, Hoopa, Victini, and Jirachi are all just inter-dimensional beings who occasionally get bored and wander into main timelines. That's why you can never find them outside of events.

>>21814583Meteorite. Fairies are all aliens. Look at Clefairy. When the fairy meteorite crashed on Earth however many years ago, it spread particles around the world that carried some alien mutation gene that mutated shit into fairy type Pokemon as well as ultimately becoming a part of what made previous Gen pokemon into fairies too.

In Pokemon Space you go to the moon to find out the origin of Fairy Types.

>>21812890>Maybe event legendaries like Arceus are multiversal singularitiesthis lore is 2deep4me now, holy shit. Mind blown. Multi-type, multiverse, just makes too much fucking sense. Arceus truly is the god mon. All pokemon not in XY are said to be in this game (or events). I do hope Arceus is somewhere as an in game catcheable mon.

Does anyone know what happens when you transfer an original hoenn mon to ORAS? What does the description say when you take say a Swampert from Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald and transfer it all the way through pal park/transfer/transporter to reach ORAS?

>>21815432Nearly every major war in history happens because a bunch of small wars lead to one big one. The war that took Floette might have just been a separate conflict that triggered Az going nuts and declaring war on the world.

>>21815628>>21815648word I'm gonna be transferring my Sceptile and my other Emerald bros. Game Freak really should write something special in the description to commerate the fact that our original hoenn mons are still with us for all these years. Give us a ribbon or something for this. "Time-Traveler Ribbon", "Celebi Ribbon", "Hoopa Ribbon"- something of that sort would be apt.

Every game is its own individual world/universe. Every time you trade or migrate a Pokemon it is traveling to one of a different place. This explains new additions of types, moves, megas, abilities and so on, as well as why each person is the champion in their game.

>>21815870>>21815926>>21815929>there might be a universe out there filled with nothing but glitches>occasionally a hole might form in the fabric of reality, allowing the glitches to spill into other universes>these holes started appearing so often in RBYGSC that the glitches overtook the entire universe, which is why there aren't any more games in that continuity

>>21816059>it might explain the technological discrepancies between Black and White versionsExactly my thoughts, Black and White happen in alternate storylines and somehow they connect because the dimensions are too close.

Actually, we may also argue that Reshiram and Zekrom choose the player and N depending on the universe.

>>21816192I don't think you have to think about it that deeply. I like the explanation that they're "different tellings of the same story". Whichever way you experienced it is your version of the story.

>>21816192That would explain the differences in wild pokemon between games as well as the newly introduced minor plot differences, and third versions. So I guess we need to go back to >>21814751 and split it up a bunch now.

>>21816192Nah, one of the versions always seems to take priority as far as priority goes, usually the third. In GSC uses the name "Red" when you encounter him, so that's presumably the one that every sequel follows.

>>21816255>So I guess we need to go back to >>21814751 and split it up a bunch now.A more accurate version of the timeline would have GSC each forking out of Red, Blue, and Yellow. So there's 9 stories in Universe A.

Things get confusing in Universe B because you have FR/R, FR/S, FR/E, LG/R, LG/S, and LG/E, and each of those combinations leads to six stories: HG/D, HG/P, HG/Pt, SS/D, SS/P, SS/Pt. And each of those 36 stories leads to either Black or White, so that's 72 stories in Universe B.

>>21816192Red -> Gold and Blue -> Silver is implied through version exclusives in Kanto being similar. It's probably best to just think of GSC as three variations of one thing, otherwise you'll give yourself a headache.

Universe A - RGBY, GSC - Consumed by anomalies in the universe that we know as "glitches"Universe B - RSE, FRLG, DPPt, HGSS, BW, B2W2 - One of the two universe we have seen Looker in so far, the first time in which the anomalies are expanded uponUniverse C - ORAS, Origins, XY - One of the two universes we have seen Looker in so far, the first universe in which Mega Evolution is known

They could have avoided resorting to this shit if they never mentioned that Mega evos and fairies were new discoveries in X/Y and just retconned. I find that solution a lot less sloppy than just saying "fuck it, new timeline"