[10 Normal]The wind guy charge. UhmTwo weeks ago when I did this, the wind guy would just charge through melee and hit me.I did it this week as well and it didn't happen.

Was there a hotfix that went into place? Or is there something else you can do to avoid getting killed by the charge?

For the fight itself:Displacer beast is really nice if you find yourself in a bad spot (that will happen, be wary of cleaves and shit).Charge is good for it's snaring ability for the bloods and the fact that it does not cost a gcd (so you can start attacking your low hp prio target immediately). I was personally going with Displacer Beast.

Soul Swap is generally a dps increase, but I found bubble to be better because of the sheer amount of shit melee take.

Aggixx talked about the Scorpion buff being effected by Savage Roar and NV? Could someone confirm this?

Something like 1-2 seconds after Ka'roz charges, players standing in the path he passed through get stunned. Avoid this by moving out of his path after each charge.

The scorpion buff is indeed affected by savage roar and NV. NV also transfers healing from scorpion attacks. We still found it better to give the buff to a tank (due to vengeance scaling), but feral druid is definitely one of the best non-tank choices.

(I recorded my 25-heroic kill and posted it here, if anyone's interested.)

Stenhaldi wrote:Something like 1-2 seconds after Ka'roz charges, players standing in the path he passed through get stunned. Avoid this by moving out of his path after each charge.

The scorpion buff is indeed affected by savage roar and NV. NV also transfers healing from scorpion attacks. We still found it better to give the buff to a tank (due to vengeance scaling), but feral druid is definitely one of the best non-tank choices.

(I recorded my 25-heroic kill and posted it here, if anyone's interested.)

Aren't the boss corpses linked to a certain class/spec combo? Can both tanks and dps take the scorp?

Stenhaldi wrote:Something like 1-2 seconds after Ka'roz charges, players standing in the path he passed through get stunned. Avoid this by moving out of his path after each charge.

The scorpion buff is indeed affected by savage roar and NV. NV also transfers healing from scorpion attacks. We still found it better to give the buff to a tank (due to vengeance scaling), but feral druid is definitely one of the best non-tank choices.

(I recorded my 25-heroic kill and posted it here, if anyone's interested.)

Aren't the boss corpses linked to a certain class/spec combo? Can both tanks and dps take the scorp?

Aggixx talked about the Scorpion buff being effected by Savage Roar and NV? Could someone confirm this?

it is huge increase, NV is must for it and you should be person to take it, as it healing mitigate dmg you take and heal raid also for huge amountsbut it depends on tactic, if you killing Alchemist first take NV pop it, SR and spam scorpion's buttons, howerver most raids leave him to be killed last as tank mitigate his parasite ability and boss won't make any harm...

Anyone ever seen an issue where you couldnt click on the corpse to get the buff? i was assigned scorpion and for the life of me could not get it. A rogue friend could. When i moved the mouse icon over the corpse, it was just the regular pointer icon.

mekell wrote:Anyone ever seen an issue where you couldnt click on the corpse to get the buff? i was assigned scorpion and for the life of me could not get it. A rogue friend could. When i moved the mouse icon over the corpse, it was just the regular pointer icon.

Has anyone else had this trouble?

You cannot take a buff if

a) someone already has the same (even from a flex re-kill)b) you already have a buffc) the buff is not meant for your role (ie. picking up disector as tank)

mekell wrote:Anyone ever seen an issue where you couldnt click on the corpse to get the buff? i was assigned scorpion and for the life of me could not get it. A rogue friend could. When i moved the mouse icon over the corpse, it was just the regular pointer icon.

Has anyone else had this trouble?

You cannot take a buff if

a) someone already has the same (even from a flex re-kill)b) you already have a buffc) the buff is not meant for your role (ie. picking up disector as tank)

Otherwise correct but you can pick up Dissector's buff as a tank and it is actually the best choice, too. Tanks with vengeance will top your dps by far with this thing (at least our monk tank does).

It was available to (but not taken by) my rogue guildmate. No one else had clicked it. This is the first boss of the set we are killing, so i shouldnt have any other buff...My guess is a UI bug. We will find out tonite when we go back. Appreciate the feedback all.

mekell wrote:It was available to (but not taken by) my rogue guildmate. No one else had clicked it. This is the first boss of the set we are killing, so i shouldnt have any other buff...My guess is a UI bug. We will find out tonite when we go back. Appreciate the feedback all.

You could always just post logs and we could write an expression to see who picked up what.

Ok so i was able to pick up the buff tonite, however i couldnt seem to pick it up in cat form. Could just be a fluke, but i started shifting out of cat form to get the gear icon so i could pick it up. Maybe just a bunch of crap standing on top of it? i'm not sure.

mekell wrote:Anyone ever seen an issue where you couldnt click on the corpse to get the buff? i was assigned scorpion and for the life of me could not get it. A rogue friend could. When i moved the mouse icon over the corpse, it was just the regular pointer icon.

Has anyone else had this trouble?

Don't use burning seeds or any Halloween "buff". I had this issue too when i used burning seed (firecat <3 ), and i heard some people had this problem with a halloween buff on them ...But perhaps you have another problem ? Not able to click on cat form only ?

Stenhaldi wrote:Something like 1-2 seconds after Ka'roz charges, players standing in the path he passed through get stunned. Avoid this by moving out of his path after each charge.

The scorpion buff is indeed affected by savage roar and NV. NV also transfers healing from scorpion attacks. We still found it better to give the buff to a tank (due to vengeance scaling), but feral druid is definitely one of the best non-tank choices.

(I recorded my 25-heroic kill and posted it here, if anyone's interested.)

We were talking about feral Vengeance DPS last week think it would be more viable to HotW Vengeance tank this add in 25 man or just use Savage Roar + NV?

Last edited by Tremnen on Fri Nov 22, 2013 7:03 pm, edited 1 time in total.

It's pretty dangerous, at least on heroic. To get vengeance you need to be tanking and in scorpion form you can't use any defensive abilities. Maybe you could hit heart of the wild/survival instincts/might of ursoc/barkskin in advance, taunt something, go into scorpion form, and then have a tank taunt off you 10 seconds later -- but it's very likely you'd just get aggro back.

So without vengeance it's already a damage gain. With vengeance, damage would be proportional to roughly

1 + vengeance/115k

(since 115k was the average base attack power). Unfortunately, I'm actually not sure what kind of vengeance you get (even though I recently tanked heroic, I didn't pay much attention to that).

Of course, you're giving up the NV healing to do this. You could just get the best of both worlds and tank the fight as guardian with NV. I recently did this and our healers complained that progression would have been so much easier if we'd done this during progression.

Don't know what gives vengeance since I didn't record this time. I can try to check next week, but it might be hard to tell.

Funny thing, I didn't even know Bloody Explosion was an ability on this fight. Considering Xaril casts Caustic Blood every 10 seconds and we kill him in about 60 seconds, it might as well not exist for us -- but even if you leave him up, he can't apply more than 3 stacks during scorpion.

And yeah, I wouldn't suggest changing tank if you're fine with what you have. Just something to consider for heroic. Overall damage aside (and I did ~930k overall DPS), a big advantage of having the tank do scorpion is the ability to burst down certain targets extremely quickly. We normally kill Xaril before he can cast a second catalyst, for example. And if you're having a tank take scorpion, guardian is by far the safest spec (where other tank specs lose mitigation, guardian effectively gains mitigation due to NV).

Tinderhoof wrote:Did you 3 tank when you went bear, or were you just the off tank?

Don't know that main vs off means much on this fight, but I took the "main" tank's role since he was away.

Tinderhoof wrote:I only asked as we are focusing on that part of the fight now and debating weather to give the buff to a HotW boomkin in cat form.

Giving it to a ranged is risky because they could cause caustic amber to get thrown into melee. I don't think HotW overrides this, but even if it does, you only have HotW for every third scorpion.

This is no longer true as Hurl Amber as of the Hotfix should not target ranged players in scorpion form.

A bigger change for us since the fotfix is that we can now disregard aim altogether by using Hunter symbiosis. It drops the AIM and will not fire. this also is true for actual hunters and invisibile abilities and I believe spectral Guise from priests. Monks can solo it as well with Zen Med (But it will fire so get out the way! but if they get whirled why channeling they will die so its risky).

Good call about the Symbiosis, we're on HM Paragons and I tended to take Dispersion, which allows you to survive it (contrary to Divine Shield, which gets you one-shotted).

But I had another question: we start by burning down Skeer after the fake DPS on Rik'kal to divert the blood, but the combat opening is utter crap. I had decided to give a shot at the HM TED I got, but it just procs off ANYTHING, making it hard to start right. So I run RoR and AoC. I also slack on Rik'kal not to waste the RoR proc and open on Skeer full burst. Still, my damage is often crap and I'm out-dpsd by several people, most notably a (very good) rogue. I could not find any WoL on HM Paragons and Warcraftlogs seems to be bugged when it comes to browsing logs: what kind of total damage should I be striving for during that initial burst on Skeer? I'm consistently above 20M with wild oscillations if I can get RoR+AoC at the same time (sometimes AoC procs like 2 years after I start to melee), I wanted to get an idea if I'm in the right place.... I forgot: I run HotW+FoN, since I have a personal dislike for DoC....