The Fox splicer prevents the local station from touching the HD feed. This is good in that it means they cannot decrease the quality; however, it also means that the Fox network feed reserves space for a subchannel regardless of whether or not a subchannel exists. In a way, Fox stations are the only stations that can add a subchannel without taking a hit in quality.

WUPW 36-1 should not look any different during Fox network programming than it did before, and should not look any different than WJBK in Detroit.

- Trip

I just recorded comparisons that prove that WUPW-HD Pre-Super Bowl footage is about 1.5Mbps less (15.3Mbps) than WJBK-HD [Fox 2 Detroit] (16.7Mbps) It just took me a while to be able to record the same broadcast on both at the same time to confirm, but I'm convinced that sub channel is the culprit. Time to get a VHS roof antenna!

I just recorded comparisons that prove that WUPW-HD Pre-Super Bowl footage is about 1.5Mbps less (15.3Mbps) than WJBK-HD [Fox 2 Detroit] (16.7Mbps) It just took me a while to be able to record the same broadcast on both at the same time to confirm, but I'm convinced that sub channel is the culprit. Time to get a VHS roof antenna!

How good was your signal strength? I would believe that Detroit's looks better though. I think Fox HD looks awful.

Anyone else getting ESPN SD and ESPN2 SD in 16x9 today? Wasn't like this yesterday. I'm not complaining, but it's weird, the scroll at the bottom just says ESPN, not ESPN HD, so its just just a straight downconvert from the HD channel.

I didn't think ESPN had any plans to broadcast their sd channel in widescreen. Is this maybe just Buckeye's doing?

Anyone else getting ESPN SD and ESPN2 SD in 16x9 today? Wasn't like this yesterday. I'm not complaining, but it's weird, the scroll at the bottom just says ESPN, not ESPN HD, so its just just a straight downconvert from the HD channel.

I didn't think ESPN had any plans to broadcast their sd channel in widescreen. Is this maybe just Buckeye's doing?

Mine doesn't show the ESPN HD logo either, but it's definitely not upscaled, it's 720p like it's supposed to be so maybe it's just Buckeye, I have DirecTV.

On February 7, 2011, the primary standard definition feeds of ESPN, ESPN 2 and ESPNU switched from the 4:3 fullscreen to the 16:9 letterbox aspect ratio, becoming the third, fourth and fifth cable channels, respectively to be broadcast in the letterbox format full-time (after cable news channels Fox News Channel and CNN); unlike Fox Sports Net, which switched to letterbox format one week earlier, the three ESPN networks broadcast all programming (sports telecasts, sports news and opinion programs such as SportsCenter and commercial advertisements) letterboxed, while video broadcast exclusively in standard definition is pillarboxed. ESPNews and ESPN Classic continue to be broadcast in the 4:3 fullscreen format for their SD feeds.

Attempting to figure out why my TV won't display ANY Buckeye HD channels... I have the basic cable, but my TV isn't detecting any HD channels... The TV i have is a panasonic TH42PZ700U... no HD channels come through... is there something i have to do specifically? any help would be appreciated

Attempting to figure out why my TV won't display ANY Buckeye HD channels... I have the basic cable, but my TV isn't detecting any HD channels... The TV i have is a panasonic TH42PZ700U... no HD channels come through... is there something i have to do specifically? any help would be appreciated

Are you using an HD cable box + HDMI/component or just the coaxial cable????? If your not using a box just do a scan for digital channels on your tv if you haven't already.

Is your cable drop connected directly to the RF (antenna/cable) jack on your set, or do you go through a box?

If you have a box supplied from Buckeye, it might be an SD box (especially if you added the new TV without changing a box you had been using with an analog TV). You can exchange the box for an HD box, but you will incur a small rate increase.

If your cable is connected directly to the set, try doing a channel scan. According to the Panasonic web site, your set does have a QAM tuner, and you should see a few Toledo broadcast stations in HD that way.

If you are getting cable through a box, and don't what to change your subscription, you can get broadcast HD by connecting an antenna to the antenna jack. If you have an antenna that gets Detroit stations, you'll get those in HD, and gain some subchannels Buckeye does not carry (This 4.2, RTV 7.2 - which often has a different program than 24.2 - and another PBS 56.2).

Now if you want cable channels (such as ESPN) in HD, an HD cable or satellite subscription is the only way to play.

Noticed this evening (3 March) WNWO had stopped carrying the "America One Television Network". Now 24.3 shows a graphic simply stating "America One Television will no longer be seen on digital channel 24.3"
This came suddenly, with no reason given, AFAIK.

I just purchased a RCA ANT751 antenna and I am getting most Toledo stations with little trouble, except for WNWO. I have the antenna aimed directly toward the towers, and I show 100% signal for WTOL & WTVG, but only about 40-50% at best for 24. Do they broadcast at a much lower strength? Is there something else that could explain the huge difference in signal strength I'm receiving?

I just purchased a RCA ANT751 antenna and I am getting most Toledo stations with little trouble, except for WNWO. I have the antenna aimed directly toward the towers, and I show 100% signal for WTOL & WTVG, but only about 40-50% at best for 24. Do they broadcast at a much lower strength? Is there something else that could explain the huge difference in signal strength I'm receiving?

WNWO does operate at less than maximum power, but should still be more than strong enough for reception in BG with an outdoor antenna.

Have you checked your connections, both at the antenna and your set?

Keep in mind that the Toledo TV stations transmit from Oregon, OH - east of Toledo and immediately south of Lake Erie, and that WNWO's tower is the easternmost of that whole group. See if turning the antenna a little further to the east may help.

The problem may be in the "last kilometer" - your immediate surroundings. Could there be a building in the path from WNWO to your home?

I'm curious if you're getting WLMB (virtual channel 40 - but actually transmitting on low band VHF Channel 5 from near Jasper, MI) - I wouldn't expect that little antenna to work on lowband.

Connections are all good. Again, I'm getting 100% on ABC and CBS. I do not get WLMB, although when I set the antenna up I did get Detroit channel 2, but it since has not come in. There are tress in my backyard and in most yards in the neighborhood, but no tall buildings directly in the path. I would assume if it were a building in the last kilometer or so, would it not also interfere with the other Toledo stations, since the distance from BG to Oregon is so great, the separation of the towers is almost negligible?

I bought a larger antenna today and I'll give that a try and let you know how it works out. Thanks for the help.

Oh, one other thing. I'm also getting multiple versions of all the Toledo 11 stations (11.1, 11.1, 11.2, 11.2 etc) This is only occurring on my Panasonic TV. My Sony TV hooked to the same antenna does not have this problem. Is that likely something specific to the set?

Oh, one other thing. I'm also getting multiple versions of all the Toledo 11 stations (11.1, 11.1, 11.2, 11.2 etc) This is only occurring on my Panasonic TV. My Sony TV hooked to the same antenna does not have this problem. Is that likely something specific to the set?

It's probably just the way your TV scans for channels. If you reset to the defaults and rescan they would probably disappear.

Instead of spending money and messing around with trying to get all the local channels, why not just get cable or satellite? Time Warners cheapest package offers the locals + a little extra. Although it would suck to pay for something you can get for free.

I've come close with the antenna, but not 100% right yet. I originally had it in the attic, and tried it outside. 24 comes in fine, but now, no matter where I put it or where I aim it, 11,1 doesn't come in. In the attic, 11.1 was at 100% signal. I still can get 11.2 at about 70-80%. Does this make any sense?

I've come close with the antenna, but not 100% right yet. I originally had it in the attic, and tried it outside. 24 comes in fine, but now, no matter where I put it or where I aim it, 11,1 doesn't come in. In the attic, 11.1 was at 100% signal. I still can get 11.2 at about 70-80%. Does this make any sense?

From an RF standpoint, NO! they are on the same RF stream.
It sounds like either your set is looking for an actual 11.1 stream, which does not exist (like most stations, virtual 11.1 is actual RF 11.3).

Another possibility is that you did a scan when "tropospheric refraction" was in (which is why you once saw WJBK Detroit), and your set scanned another station whose virtual channel is 11 (Chicago, Louisville or Pittsburgh)

I don't know that 13 is soft by design, but filtered and noise reduced to the 'nth degree. I was complaining about V a little while ago, and the more I see from them, I realize it's pretty consistent.

But yeah, 11 looks good. Cleaner and definitely more natural looking, or at least as far as cable digital can make it so.

You may be right about the DNR on 13. Now that folks can do a instant comparison between the two I hope this prods 13 into trying to produce better PQ, at least within the confines of 720P. 720P never looks as clear and sharp as 1080i.

42" in the dining room.50" in the bedroom 80" in the living room 65" in the family room 70" in the family room 106" in the family room "There is another system" Video Modes: SDTV-EDTV-XGA-HDTV-4K

Is the analog HSN signal out of Toledo? If broadcast analog TV was shut down in 2009 then why are there still analog stations being broadcast in the US today? I also get a analog station out of Findlay.

Is the analog HSN signal out of Toledo? If broadcast analog TV was shut down in 2009 then why are there still analog stations being broadcast in the US today? I also get a analog station out of Findlay.

?? Uh what is the station ID for the analog out of Findlay. This is impossible unless it is some sort of low power experimental station. No commercial outlet can be analog.

42" in the dining room.50" in the bedroom 80" in the living room 65" in the family room 70" in the family room 106" in the family room "There is another system" Video Modes: SDTV-EDTV-XGA-HDTV-4K