Wow, this thread went wild quick
Don't get sucked into a row lads
It's only an OS!
But on the bright side, I found a way to download the 32bit version! So I'm going to try again with my net-book

Good luck this time around, try to learn the shortcuts it'll make life a lot easier on both your net-book and your multi-monitor desktop. I don't think I'd like Windows 8 if it weren't for the shortcuts, but using them makes Windows 8 a breeze.

But on the bright side, I found a way to download the 32bit version! So I'm going to try again with my net-book

Let me know how that goes man:D Curious to see if it functions on a netbook.

Yeah even if I don't have a few apps because of the net-books resolution, at least it should run a bit better

I just want to use my new OS, without it winding me up

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Originally Posted by 32oz

Good luck this time around, try to learn the shortcuts it'll make life a lot easier on both your net-book and your multi-monitor desktop. I don't think I'd like Windows 8 if it weren't for the shortcuts, but using them makes Windows 8 a breeze.

It's actually a lot more than windows 7 with a start screen. You might not see the difference, but the underlying code is significantly better. It handles most hardware better and it integrates a lot of features they you would normally have to use third party software for. So far so good.
The issue I have with it is the radical changes and dumbing down of the stock UI, and locking down of "under the hood" features. Poweruser stuff, and stuff that just doesn't have any reason to be changed and forces an unwanted change in user behavior. I also highly disagree with a lot of the decisions that were made on a moral level. I like to think of myself as a man of principle, so this matters to me.
Of course, the majority of users will never see any of the benefits or the disadvantages I'm talking about and will just keep ranting/raving about petty stuff for no good reason.

Please explain to a fellow power user, what is exactly locked down for you? You've been asked before, and still haven't responded. I'm curious.

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Originally Posted by Sevada88

Why can't we Windows users just get along? You use 7 and I'll use 8, we are using products very similar to each other.

Amen, we need to establish Windows 8 is better then Windows 7. The UI is just a graphical overlay for the real operating system. Anyone who says Windows 8 sucks because of the start menu, has no credibility in these threads at all. If it bothers anyone that much, Windows 7 is supported until 2020. There is no reason for people to stoop to elementary levels, and argue over the UI change.

It's actually a lot more than windows 7 with a start screen. You might not see the difference, but the underlying code is significantly better. It handles most hardware better and it integrates a lot of features they you would normally have to use third party software for. So far so good.
The issue I have with it is the radical changes and dumbing down of the stock UI, and locking down of "under the hood" features. Poweruser stuff, and stuff that just doesn't have any reason to be changed and forces an unwanted change in user behavior. I also highly disagree with a lot of the decisions that were made on a moral level. I like to think of myself as a man of principle, so this matters to me.
Of course, the majority of users will never see any of the benefits or the disadvantages I'm talking about and will just keep ranting/raving about petty stuff for no good reason.

Please explain to a fellow power user, what is exactly locked down for you? You've been asked before, and still haven't responded. I'm curious.

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Originally Posted by Sevada88

Why can't we Windows users just get along? You use 7 and I'll use 8, we are using products very similar to each other.

Amen, we need to establish Windows 8 is better then Windows 7. The UI is just a graphical overlay for the real operating system. Anyone who says Windows 8 sucks because of the start menu, has no credibility in these threads at all. If it bothers anyone that much, Windows 7 is supported until 2020. There is no reason for people to stoop to elementary levels, and argue over the UI change.

with the core of windows sucking, just being totally completely absolutely decimated in any measure other then game support by Linux, who give a damm about the 'real operating system' the UI is windows to the vast majority of end users. my clear bias aside, what the average joe cares about is the UI so yes, for alot of people windows 8 is much different then 7

Please explain to a fellow power user, what is exactly locked down for you? You've been asked before, and still haven't responded. I'm curious.
Amen, we need to establish Windows 8 is better then Windows 7. The UI is just a graphical overlay for the real operating system. Anyone who says Windows 8 sucks because of the start menu, has no credibility in these threads at all. If it bothers anyone that much, Windows 7 is supported until 2020. There is no reason for people to stoop to elementary levels, and argue over the UI change.

Cept it is not the better iperating system it is just a different operating system with its own benefits and negatives just like every other os currently available.

Please explain to a fellow power user, what is exactly locked down for you? You've been asked before, and still haven't responded. I'm curious.
Amen, we need to establish Windows 8 is better then Windows 7. The UI is just a graphical overlay for the real operating system. Anyone who says Windows 8 sucks because of the start menu, has no credibility in these threads at all. If it bothers anyone that much, Windows 7 is supported until 2020. There is no reason for people to stoop to elementary levels, and argue over the UI change.

Different is not better.

I'll agree that the code is more efficient, and thus from a programming standpoint you could in fact call it better. The integration of several hugely popular features that historically required third party software is also an improvement. Great!

These are just small parts of the overall OS though. Let's not be Apple Microsoft sugar coat the issue. A lot of things have been dumbed down or entirely removed due to being "unused"...

Several RDP and UNIX commands and switches were removed. MFU lists don't work properly. Dial up and some DSL connections are now gimped. Wireless ad-hoc networking is no longer possible without registry "hacks" and command line. BSOD is now pretty much worthless without a full dump. Touch input is always active, even if you have no touch enabled devices, and can cause issues with other input devices (wacom tablets). Device manager does not list all items (not limited to hidden items), and the command to unhide hidden items is no longer functional. Applications no longer have control over file protocol. UAC is now considerably more invasive. Windows Backup and Shadow Copy are replaced by the pretty much worthless "File History" feature. Several conflict prompts are no longer present - Windows silently picks the "best" option - which is often not the one you wanted. Network map is gone. While aesthetically pleasing and easier to read, there is a lot of info missing on the new task manager. Several NTFS features are no longer supported.You can no longer run with full privileges without actually running out of the local admin. I'm getting kinda bored of typing so I'll just stop here.

... Dunno bout you Microsoft, but a lot of people still use these features. Yeah, I can get around some of them, and I can live without others, but it does make my computing life just that much more frustrating / time consuming / expensive.

Perhaps I should remove the breaks from Steve Ballmer's Ford Fusion? Having seen the guy I would assume it's safe to say that is an unused feature - removing it will improve gas mileage.