Lacking any actually good reasons to ban the tour by Jonny and the Baptists, UKIP deputy party leader Paul Nuttall has taken to spreading lies about the show being funded by the taxpayer via the Arts Council – which it isn’t:

A taxpayer funded body should not be funding anything that could be seen as political when it is close to an election because the parties get central funding as part of their advertising budget, well the three old parties do UKIP gets nothing.

Barry: the group are not taxpayer funded. Some of the venues they perform at may be but not specifically for performances by the group. The group are funded by the public paying entrance fees to listen to and watch the group’s performances.
While you are right about the 3 main parties receiving funding that is because they have MPs in this country. UKIP MEPs receive funding from Europe, though it is very much an open question as to what they do for it and if they represent any real value for money in what they do – or don’t do – while they are in the European Parliament.

We invest money from government and the National Lottery in arts and culture across England. This funds a wide range of activities – from theatre to digital art, reading to dance, music to literature, crafts to collections; and helps us achieve our mission of Great art and culture for everyone.
– See more at: http://www.artscouncil.org.uk/funding/#sthash.3qjUtlSr.dpuf

So it is a government funded activity. This body should be apolitical not subsidising a group to attack one party.

The Art Council are not directly or specifically providing funding for this group.
Their arts funding goes largely to venues and also includes funding for libraries and museums.
The satirical group involved receive no direct funding from the Arts Council.
Put simply, you and your fellow UKIPers are aiming your ire at the wrong target.
It is also a fact that your and other UKIPer reactions on this issue portray a lack of maturity. In a free society, there are occasions when commentary can be regarded as insulting and offensive. But that is the price we all pay to live in a free society.
Are you and other UKIPers saying that you do not want a free society but one in which people like yourself and other UKIPers are authorised to carry out the functions of a morality police, such as exists in Iran today?

Oh dear what a load of tripe the /Arts council are directly funding the group no matter how you try to cover it up. In a free society a government propaganda issue should be exposed. The people who think that government propaganda is to be lauded because it agree with them need to look at their maturity and understanding of history, what makes you think that complaining about pure propaganda has anything to do with Iran or any other anti democratic body such as the eussr.

Barry: Now your comments are verging on being silly. You can easily clarify this.
Provide us all with details of the exact amount paid by the Arts Council to Jonny and the Baptists and the date on which it was paid.
If you cannot provide these details, you should retract your remarks about state-funded propaganda. You don’t need to apologise; just admit the truth.

Do you mean false pretence, like impersonating an MEP. Should be jailed and have to return the money. He’s a bit like ukraps candidate in the Wilenshaw and sale by election last month, Wants out of the eu, but didn’t mention he received a £100,000 eu business grant! 2 faced tosser.

UKIP’s plainly stated aim is for the UK to leave the EU. Some people are foolish enough to vote for UKIP MEP candidates, knowing that perfectly well that if elected the MEP will take the money and not take part in the European Parliament. How is that false pretences?

So you think it is better to leave our money for europeans to have instead of usCarl. I bet the unelected barosso rumpy and the other unelected failed politicians all picked up their money for damaging our nation.

What false pretences should he be jailed for, disagreeing with you Guy?

Some people are stupid enough to vote for pro eussr candidates like the conlablibdum party members who are so pro eussr they would hand over complete power to brussells if they thought we weren’t looking.

Your hyperlink connects to the Royal Exchange Theatre in Manchester.
So what does that prove?
Only that they are in receipt of Arts Council funding.
You have failed – yet again – to establish any direct link between Arts Council funding and Jonny & The Baptists.
Can you provide details of Arts Council funding for Jonny and the Baptists?
I suspect you will not because you cannot.
You really must stop being so obtuse. It does the already frayed reputation of UKIP no good at all. With friends like you, what need do they have of any real enemies?
If your real objection is to any kind of public funding for the arts, then just say so.
We will all then know and recognise you as the true artistic philistine you are.

Barry: you really do not know what you are talking about, do you?
The group are not employed by the theatre; the group have booked the theatre and will be paying it a hire fee for the performances they stage there.
The group are an independent performing company.
They are not subsidised by anyone – not the Arts Council and not the theatre.
When will you get this simple fact drilled into your thick head?
There is an old saying: “When you are in a hole, stop digging”.
Like all amateur wannabe politicians, you need to learn this valuable lesson.
If you insist on coming back at me with your ignorance, I will continue to expose it.

In reply to Barry Davies, I notice you didn’t defend the ukrap candidate in the Wilenshaw by election being anti eu, but taking a £100,000 business grant, Ukrap are officially listed as having some of the laziest MEP’s in the eu parliament. On 13th Dec 2013 ukrap abstained from voting, regarding a law proposed by Edithe Estralia MEP calling for compulsory gay sex education for all 5 year olds in schools . So why do ukrap turn up and betray children in this way? or are you ignorant about ukrap?.

Have any of you here ever heard of Richard coudenhove-kelegri? the founding father of the eu. In one of his speeches he state ” future eu citizens are to be a euro-asian-negroid race, to replace white people” this will happen if we are in the eu or not. . Seeing as ukrap are multi-cultural will they stop white genocide or not?

Oh dear such a poor answer when you are clearly wrong, making things up now, just carry on with your ignorant rants and attempts to make out the old parties are anything other than one with the self same aims. Carry on with the other sheeple.

Well if you want to play that card look at local councils in this country, where UKIP councillors top the list for voting and attending, and the libdums are at the bottom, anyone can pretend that they are right using those sort of statistics.

In 2 years time ukrap will be starved of publicity once they have served their purpose. Farage has alredy stated that if ukrap don’t gain “substantial seats” in the general ellections” he will quit .presumably after he has collected his 30 pieces of silver and done a tony blair. Going to be some disappointed ukrapers about. Especially if they are prepared to do a deal with labour and the cons to get their noses in the trough.

The conlablibdums get money from the eussr to pay for their election expenses ukip don’t so any of our money that they can get back from the corruption ridden democratically deficient unneeded level of government is good for everyone in the UK.

I respect the UKIP view that the UK should leave the EU, although I don’t agree with it. There is some sense in voting UKIP in local or national elections, but voting for UKIP MEPs is just f***ing daft!

So a politician actually says he will do the right thing and stand down, not sign the constitution without the promised referendum then run away, which is what Bliar did, and you think that is wrong, no wonder you vote for the conlablibdum party.

Carl: You are not the one who should be answering the question, unless – that is – you are an official spokesperson for UKIP. Are you?
If not, Barry should be answering this question.
I note that he has not done so.
Does that mean anything?

finkfurst. You have never met me have you ? so why are you calling me a racist? That is usually the distress call of a person who is loosing an argument. The eu didn’t exist in name when it was first set up for TRADE. It has now morphed in to a Stalinist state. I will make it simple so even you can understand . the white population of Europe will be a minority by 2050. The MAJORITY will be a MUSLIM population with sharia law. It is happening here in Britain. The info for this equation is from the office of national statistics, and the DWP. And before you blow a gasket , Islam is a religion not a race. Or are you in complete denial, Enoch Powell might be correct in his predictions.

Barry. If ukrap get MEP’s elected surely they can help Britain’s interest by going to the eu Parliament and voting against harmful laws that harm Britain. So tell me why was the ukip candidate for Wilenshaw taking a £100,000 grant from the eu, yet standing as an anti eu candidate. Was he doing the right thing? Who said “it’s good to get money back from the eu” oh, that’s you Barry. What you meant was “it is good if the money goes to a ukrap MEP”

I’m using his quote from various internet pages, so I didn’t alter his quote at all.. Are you up to date with the latest changes in European demographic changes. Your turn to answer a question. Do you think Enoch Powell will be proven right or wrong.

finkfurst= I know it comes from his book. You have to read it again. He talks about creating a new race of Europeans ,mixed whites/blacks/Asians. Why do you want to replace the whites of Europe with a hybrid race? easier to control. the effect of this from the 1950’s onwards, can be seen in all our major towns and cities in Britain, and across western europe . I think you are in denial as to what is happening all around you. Why do we only have mass uncontrolled immigration to the west, and not China India, Saudia, or Africa?. Why is it forced on the west. You can’t answer the question if you are in denial as to what is happening all around you.

It means I don’t bother answering dimwits who ask stupid questions that only have credence in their own little world, and I am not a spokesperson for UKIP, so John Dowdle perhaps you could explain your predilections for sex with 5 year olds, and maybe which gender you prefer.

FINKFURST. I didn’t know if he spoke about his views to an audience or just put it into print 80 odd years ago. You remind me of my coloured son in law whilst at school. His headmaster in assembly stated “anyone who opposes immigration is a racist” my coloured son in law said ” dose that include me sir” to which the head said “yes” then tried to correct himself. He sent a letter home with my son in law, grovelling for his comments. the White pupils didn’t get a letter home. you remind me of the headmaster. anybody who disagrees with you is a racist. = standard reply from a person in denial. You’d better buy your kids a copy of the Koran , as they will need it. why call yourself FINKFURST? obviously you can’t .

Carl I think you will notice that they attend when there is a possibility of of doing something positive in Britains interest, which is a very small amount of the time, because even if every British MEP voted together they would be well and truly defeated by the foreigners, the parliament is at the bottom of the importance list where the eussr is concerned, it is run by unelected political failures.

Barry, it seems you have managed to learn one aspect of being a wannabe politician: failing to answer the original question (about Arts Council funding for Jonny & The Baptists) because you have no credible answer, and then trying to invent another question with which to attack others.
I think properly constructed education on sex and personal relations is a good thing for children – rather than just leaving them in the dark on a matter of personal significance – though I am not sure as to what the appropriate age should be.
I am a retired educationalist but I do not claim any particular expertise in this field.
That is better left to knowledgeable experts and not to individuals like us who have nothing but personal opinions on the subject to offer.
Sometimes, Barry, it is better to admit when you don’t know rather than keep on forcibly expressing opinions on matters you know little or nothing about.
I think you have yet to learn that lesson but I will always be happy to be pleasantly surprised by any late flowering of understanding on your part.
You say you are not a spokesperson for UKIP. So what are you, Barry?

FINK FURST put your glasses on and read the reply above! . So a person with 8 ‘o’ levels , a degree, and a pilots license is thick !. If you say so Fink. You call every one racist who doesn’t agree with you. I bet you get sexually aroused every time Stephen Lawrence is in the news. If Lawrence stabbed and killed a white kid ,you’d be silent. Dose it matter is I said speech, quote, from his book? I’m only stating what I read. The result on Europe is the same. I’ll prove what a dodger you are. Do you think Enoch will be proven right or wrong? lets see you answer a question.

I’ll see if my son can send it to you. You only see what you want to see . So a person with 8 ‘o’ levels you class as dim .So by your standards you’re basically a spastic then. You’re still dodging the question I asked you, People can read your replies and see that you’re gutless and can’t answer my questions. Perhaps you should research the Charlene Downes murder case, and the Murder of Lee Rigby are down to the uncontrolled multi-cultural society that you support. When your kids are forced to live under sharia law in 15 years time, you can tell them that you are responsible. Now back in your box finklefurst., as you’re clearly blind deaf and dumb as to what is happening around you.

I’ll tell you how I know you’re lying, because I can Google your “this article is translated from…” infantile excuse just as easily as I Googled your original ‘quote’! You are such a moron that you didn’t even think of that!

It’s also quite amusing to see the huge range of things I supposedly think, when I haven’t said a single word about ANY of them!

If you will finally answer my question truthfully, then I will answer yours…

Finknot =Thank you for advertising the Coudenhove plan, people can find it their selves now, and read the truth. Thanks for the advertising ,dummy! People can scroll up to read in black and white , who the dim coward is, and it isn’t me. People like you who have no grip on reality, usually end up on the sex offenders register. Truth being , you probably are already on it. So why don’t you print your real name and stop hiding behind your stage name. So people can see if you are sniffing around their kids. Now be a good little dummy take your medicine and get back in to your box. Call for you soon.

It is amazing just how wrong Barry manages to get things. If he is any kind of indicator as to the quality of UKIP supporters in this country, we all may need to worry.

It was Carl Mason who said on March 7, 2014 at 5:04 pm ‘In reply to Barry Davies, I notice you didn’t defend the ukrap candidate in the Wilenshaw by election being anti eu, but taking a £100,000 business grant, Ukrap are officially listed as having some of the laziest MEP’s in the eu parliament. On 13th Dec 2013 ukrap abstained from voting, regarding a law proposed by Edithe Estralia MEP calling for compulsory gay sex education for all 5 year olds in schools . So why do ukrap turn up and betray children in this way? or are you ignorant about ukrap?.’

Barry then makes the stupid statement above, overlooking the fact that it was Carl Mason who raised this topic first with Barry – not me.

I don’t know why Barry is fixated on the concept of having sex with 5-year olds.
It does not seem healthy to me. I hope he will now drop it.

Of course, Carl’s original question as to why UKIP MEPs failed to turn up and vote in the European Parliament on the question of compulsory gay sex for 5-year olds remains unanswered by Barry. What is Barry trying to hide?

This does indicate quite clearly that Barry has a problem with actual facts. So far, all he has provided are opinionated views, which any fool can do. It is high time he started to support his statements with facts, which he has signally failed to do so far.

I believe you were the one who claimed that UKIP had abstained from a debate on sex for 5 year olds which means you were the one referring to it, UKIP abstain from many different items the foreigners try to bring in because like every other nations mep’s they have no real power at all, which is how the set up is supposed to be just a pretence that there is some democracy in the eussr although essentially there is none whatsoever, I don’t understand your thinking that any of it matters.

UKOP more like. Farage claims to be against immigration into this country as it now stands, and yet he backs it by saying that he would allow in assylum seekers. So how is he going to tell who is an assylum seeker and who is not? Economic migrants continue to pose, in their thousands, as assylum seekers, with their wild stories

If you have no idea what you are talking about please refrain from posting junk. Farage has never claimed to be against immigration period. He is against the unfettered immigration forced on to us when Bliar signed the constitution, referred to as the lisbon treaty without the promised referendum. UKIP has never claimed to want to stop all immigration.

To be fair to Barry, Nigel Farage did advocate allowing Syrian refugees into the UK.
Also, UKIP – rightly in my opinion – have always made it clear that Cameron and others are making false claims to be able to control immigration when the vast majority of migrants originate from EU countries, against which this country is powerless to control their numbers.
I support a fully-informed discussion and referendum in this country on continuing membership of the EU. Always have done, as I firmly believe the people of this country were hoodwinked into a gradual process of joining a free trade area or common market without ever realising what “ever-closer union” actually meant.
I suspect such a referendum would result in the UK staying in the EU but let us at least have a once-and-for-all-time vote on it. Let the people truly decide – just for once.

No, Barry, it was not me who brought up UKIP abstention on the subject of sex education for 5 year olds. It was Carl Mason. Please get your facts right.
Not knowing the full facts of the situation, it is difficult to pass a judgment but if it is true that UKIP Members of the European Parliament chose to abstain on voting on such an issue, it does raise the question as to why they behaved in the way they did?
Abstention could result in such measure becoming EU law and enforceable by EU and nation-state administrations. Is it sensible or principled to do nothing while such legislation is being given possible legal force?
To be honest, I find such behaviour immature, to say the very least.
UKIP MEPs should at least express opinions and vote on the basis of their principles, informed by what we would consider British values, in such a legislative assembly.
Taking the money and taking the piss – at who, exactly? – does not strike me – nor I suspect, many others – as very edifying.

Unfortunately the lib dems are so pro eussr they will never vote for a referendum, labour are as bad and camoron is a dyed in the wool europhile, so there is only one way to ensure a referendum and that is to vote for UKIP.

I’m sure you find the slanging matches between camoron and moribund highly entertaining as well, although they only waste the time of parliament to actually debate items that the nation thinks about, just like when other ministers/shadow ministers have a go at each other the recent debacle of Hunt and Burnham took up half the allotted time on the mid staffs debate, before the grown ups got a chance to actually talk some sense without the sensationalising of the non existent vases or the grossly inflated death rate, but then you would have turned it off for the real debate wouldn’t you.

Actually, I find the conduct of the commons to be one of the biggest jokes of parliamentary democracy in the whole world (along with our ‘welfare state’). How can you respect a bunch of guffawing schoolboys like that? They should be forced to wear their prep school uniforms to work – shorts included

Still dodging the question finknot. it will be your children who will suffer in the coming civil war between muslims and non muslims. And you helped make it happen, I hope they thank you. liberal coward that you are.