Stuck wants the ball alright, how else is he going to go Super Colliding? On the second unit, he's first and second option, has the ball in his hands 100% of the time and can go colliding with no repercussions because the bench "needs" his offense.

Stuck wants the ball alright, how else is he going to go Super Colliding? On the second unit, he's first and second option, has the ball in his hands 100% of the time and can go colliding with no repercussions because the bench "needs" his offense.

Stuck wants the ball alright, how else is he going to go Super Colliding? On the second unit, he's first and second option, has the ball in his hands 100% of the time and can go colliding with no repercussions because the bench "needs" his offense.

Yep. If his hey! isn't going, it's more like a train wreck combined with a ten car pileup. Having someone as ineffective as Maggette has been so far on the floor at the same time compounds the issue, which may be why Kyle is kept in when the rest of the starters get their rest.

Twice in two days, immediately after Saturday's practice and before Sunday's game, Frank made unspecific negative references to player types which might be construed to apply to Stuckey. He noted that players who can only be effective with the ball or with specific teammates can't play a regular role."If you can only play well with certain guys, you know what you're called? A specialist," Frank said Sunday. "When you can play with anyone, you're a rotation player."

A commenter on this article provided an interesting thought in response to these quotes. Maybe Frank asked Stuckey to come back to the starting lineup and he declined, with the rationale that he can't be effective as a SG with a bunch of non shooters on the floor (mainly Max and Monroe). Knight and Monroe do a lot of distributing and Tay does a lot of palming. Maxiell clogs. There is a reason that Stuckey wanted out of that situation earlier this year and it probably still holds.

I hadn't thought of that before, but given these quotes, it sort of fits.

Frank was possibly not liking the way that Stuck was meshing with the 2nd unit and wanted to follow the strategy that Bynum laid out where Singler would move to the 2nd unit and complete the Magic/Howard model of mini PG + 3 shooters + predator. He couldn't purse the strategy sooner, otherwise it would seem like he was a worse coach than Bynum.

While Frank will never be confused with Phil Jackson, he's not as dumb as people around here think he is. Stuckey is a terrible player, yet the Pistons accommodate him as if he's Kobe Bryant or D-Wade. I need the ball, I need this, I need that, I need about 30 mpg....I think Frank said ENOUGH ALREADY! Think about this, if you give Rodney EVERYTHING he wants and/or needs to be successful....what do you get? A guy who gets you 16ppg in a loss while struggling to shoot 40% ! I'll pass. Since his return there has been a noticeable drop off in the production of Daye, Singler and BoT because Rodney is a ball stop and he's cut into Kyle's role because we have to get Rodney about 30mpg.

Right, but why would Frank bring up the need to play with certain guys? The alternative to the above scenario is that Stuckey was complaining about the 2nd unit and trying to get Frank to rearrange it (maybe sit Bynum?).

Right, but why would Frank bring up the need to play with certain guys? The alternative to the above scenario is that Stuckey was complaining about the 2nd unit and trying to get Frank to rearrange it (maybe sit Bynum?).

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Players in the top 3 salaries on a team are meant to be starters (or super subs), and should be able to play anywhere. If you have to build a certain setup for a player to be successful IMO then they are a marginal bench player. We have two PG's that fit that MO, one is greatly overpayed and the other actually does the job better.

I think we've reached a point that Stuckey really needs to be traded for the best of everyones interest.

Players in the top 3 salaries on a team are meant to be starters (or super subs), and should be able to play anywhere. If you have to build a certain setup for a player to be successful IMO then they are a marginal bench player. We have two PG's that fit that MO, one is greatly overpayed and the other actually does the job better.

I think we've reached a point that Stuckey really needs to be traded for the best of everyones interest.

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Probably but rush-trading Stuck now as is value is at his lowest is not a good idea too in my opinion : Is there any team in the NBA who will be interested ? We will proabably have to dump a draft pick like we have done for Gordon (Or an expiring contract)
I don't think this is the right solution.

I think we've reached a point that Stuckey really needs to be traded for the best of everyones interest.

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We actually reached that point well before Joe decided to set the market price and bid against himself with Stuck's current contract.
By the way, sorry for flooding the forum with negative posts regarding this little transaction back then (at the beginning of last season). I couldn't hve been more wrong about the Stuckey signing. I appologize to anyone who disagreed with me.

Probably but rush-trading Stuck now as is value is at his lowest is not a good idea too in my opinion : Is there any team in the NBA who will be interested ? We will proabably have to dump a draft pick like we have done for Gordon (Or an expiring contract)
I don't think this is the right solution.

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Someone needs to take Joe's shovel away so he can stop digging these holes.
There just has to be a team out there with a trade exception and a 2nd round pick burning a hole in there pocket.

I absolutley believe that this franchise would move light-years ahead in their quest to return to championship form by simply removing Stuckey, Prince and Villanueva from the active roster.
...Simply pay these clowns to stay home if that's what it takes.

I absolutley believe that this franchise would move light-years ahead in their quest to return to championship form by simply removing Stuckey, Prince and Villanueva from the active roster.
...Simply pay these clowns to stay home if that's what it takes.

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I would have said the same thing about Villanueva up until he actually started playing well this year. He's overpaid - there's no doubt about that - but he actually seems to be playing hard, has a pretty significant role, and is contributing in a way that's a benefit to the team. You don't pay to make a guy like that go away, you get the most out of him that you can.

Prince, on the other hand, I could take or leave. He's an above-average SF but an overrated leader and, like Stuckey, does not use his skills within the flow of the team (he's last on the team in +/-). Stuckey is the same way - if he found the right team, he'd be a valuable contributor, but round was right when he said that Stuckey leaving the team is the best situation for everyone.

We actually reached that point well before Joe decided to set the market price and bid against himself with Stuck's current contract.
By the way, sorry for flooding the forum with negative posts regarding this little transaction back then (at the beginning of last season). I couldn't hve been more wrong about the Stuckey signing. I appologize to anyone who disagreed with me.

Someone needs to take Joe's shovel away so he can stop digging these holes.
There just has to be a team out there with a trade exception and a 2nd round pick burning a hole in there pocket.

I absolutley believe that this franchise would move light-years ahead in their quest to return to championship form by simply removing Stuckey, Prince and Villanueva from the active roster.
...Simply pay these clowns to stay home if that's what it takes.

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Wow.... Why puting Tay in the same group as Stuck and Charlie ? Past two years of Prince were terrible but he is having a decent year and I don't think he is a cancer for the team as you seems to say
For Charlie, we just need to amnestize him at the end of the year and that will be fine (although I like his change of attitude this year)

if we can see that the Pistons play better wo Stuckey then I am sure the coach can as well. This is not just some fans ranting on the forum - the wins/losses are there as proof. The Pistons play better without Stuckey.

Maybe Frank is just trying to do whats best to get wins to save his job. Who knows how long Dumars will be here as we all know Dumars will never admit that Stuckey is a mistake.

No one is going to want to trade for Stuckey. Only value he has is that his contract expires after next year. It will have to be a salary dump and I dont know what kind of contract we would have to take on to make it happen. Amnesty him and fire Dumars before this summer - before he can spend more money.