If it's a response you've automated, you don't have to pay conscious attention to it while you do it. You can aim your attention at other things or thoughts. Then, you don't remember the automated things you did unless they were interrupted and you had to direct conscious attention to the situation. Do you remember tying your shoes unless a lace breaks?

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There are no rules in a street fight. I don't agree. There are explicit rules-statutes regarding use of force and assault. There are implicit rules- each participant has a level of harm in which they are willing to inflict based on the situation and circumstance. The problem comes in when you don't know what your "opponent" will do. Will he fight by your schema? I take a punch at you with the expectation that this will be a fist fight. In most cases I will be correct. Things may not work out for me if you pull a knife, or your friends decide to join in. Break the explicit rules and you can get in trouble with the law and be penalized by the judge long after the "match" is over. The implicit rules are an unknown. Is your opponent a reasonably well adjusted moral human being, a sociopath or something in between? So a street fight is void of written rules or pre-arranged agreed upon rules but every participant has their own set of rules-that's what makes them dangerous. Add alcohol, drugs or fear and those boundries can shift.

What's your point? The whole idea with that is being able to act fast without hesitation or having to think through it (like being able to speak fluently). Now, being able to do that doesn't always mean you won't remember it later, that may or may not be the case.Some guys can have a ball randomly thrown at them at a high rate of speed and catch it without thinking in the same manner, yet remember that later. Some of you guys really need to take a psychology class, there's a lot of misconceptions here on how the brain works. Unless you have brain damage everything you do get's stored as memory, either short term or long term, and can be drawn back, it just takes the right trigger for some things.

Edited by Stormdragon (02/23/1211:38 PM)

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There are no rules in a street fight. I don't agree. There are explicit rules-statutes regarding use of force and assault. There are implicit rules- each participant has a level of harm in which they are willing to inflict based on the situation and circumstance. The problem comes in when you don't know what your "opponent" will do. Will he fight by your schema? I take a punch at you with the expectation that this will be a fist fight. In most cases I will be correct. Things may not work out for me if you pull a knife, or your friends decide to join in. Break the explicit rules and you can get in trouble with the law and be penalized by the judge long after the "match" is over. The implicit rules are an unknown. Is your opponent a reasonably well adjusted moral human being, a sociopath or something in between? So a street fight is void of written rules or pre-arranged agreed upon rules but every participant has their own set of rules-that's what makes them dangerous. Add alcohol, drugs or fear and those boundries can shift.

So you train with no rules? You must have trouble finding training partners. In any case, just because there's no rules in a street fight, once again, doesn't mean you can't reproduce a very similar adrenaline effect in training, that's just absurd.

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[quote=duanew]So you train with no rules? You must have trouble finding training partners. In any case, just because there's no rules in a street fight, once again, doesn't mean you can't reproduce a very similar adrenaline effect in training, that's just absurd.

Huh? Don't know how you could have gotten that out of what I wrote, perhaps the "Queen of Battle" is just looking for a fight? I never said anything about how I train, or the absurdity of trying to get the adrenal effects of a fight in training. In fact, if you were to read my previous posts here and in other threads you would know that I advocate it. If you re-read my previous post I was disagreeing with the saying, "There are no rules in a street fight." My apologies your highness,

[quote=Stormdragon Some of you guys really need to take a psychology class, there's a lot of misconceptions here on how the brain works. Unless you have brain damage everything you do get's stored as memory, either short term or long term, and can be drawn back, it just takes the right trigger for some things. [/quote]

Google Force Science Research Institute, go to the search function, type in memory under stress and you will be able to read research by doctors of psychology who do not agree with you.

[quote=duanew]So you train with no rules? You must have trouble finding training partners. In any case, just because there's no rules in a street fight, once again, doesn't mean you can't reproduce a very similar adrenaline effect in training, that's just absurd.

Huh? Don't know how you could have gotten that out of what I wrote, perhaps the "Queen of Battle" is just looking for a fight? I never said anything about how I train, or the absurdity of trying to get the adrenal effects of a fight in training. In fact, if you were to read my previous posts here and in other threads you would know that I advocate it. If you re-read my previous post I was disagreeing with the saying, "There are no rules in a street fight." My apologies your highness,

Woops, I actually totally missed the second sentence. And the Queen of Battle thing is a military reference, it has absolutely nothing to do with martial arts or arrogance. That said yes you can get at the least some approximation of the adrenal effects of a fight in training, which is better than none at all. It depends on the training methods (and also level of experience eventually you stop getting that as you get used to things).

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[quote=Stormdragon Some of you guys really need to take a psychology class, there's a lot of misconceptions here on how the brain works. Unless you have brain damage everything you do get's stored as memory, either short term or long term, and can be drawn back, it just takes the right trigger for some things.

Google Force Science Research Institute, go to the search function, type in memory under stress and you will be able to read research by doctors of psychology who do not agree with you. [/quote]

http://www.rbta.net/forum/showthread.php...earch&p=247 nowhere does that (from your recommendation) say that actions taken in a high pressured situation won't be remembered, but that you're more likely to remember things about the attacker and what they did. And one statement actually backs up something I said about having the right triggers "It’s interesting to note that with the exception of one officer, those involved in the groups that conferred said they did not learn “new” information about the incident during their discussions. Rather, it seemed, latent memories they had of the incident were “refreshed” and brought to the surface by the conferencing."

So no they don't "disagree" with me, at least not based on that article.

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-It also says:The average officer in the experiment was 4 times more likely to remember “external” elements associated with the threat (the type of weapon presented, the suspect’s behavior, etc.) than “internal” elements (such as an awareness of his/her own thoughts and physical behavior).-this narrow focus simultaneously caused them to “miss other items about the scene that may later turn out to be important, and impaired their ability to provide full and complete reports about the incident-Officers who were interviewed, on the other hand, had error rates that were “very high,” averaging more than 5 mistaken memories apiece in their accounts of what happenedDr. Lewinski and Dr. Alexis Artwohl and others also make the following points-The mind is not a recorder.Memory is effected by previous experience and emotion.Memory cannot be trusted to be accurate because of these influences.Past experience can cause false memory.The mind records things in order of importance not occurance.So stress can have a detrimental effect on memory in a undamaged brain.

Good training will result in automatic bahavior which the subject will not have any memory of.