I know threads about "the auction site" are discouraged but I think most of us look from time to time to see what things are going for.

There is a guy that has a case of Hirsch 16 on right now and from looking at his feedback has already sold a case and a bunch of bottles, around 35. And that is just what he's received feedback for. I don't want to accuse the guy of any wrong doing but is there anyone out there that was accumulating this many bottles of it? I have to admit if I had a 100% guarantee that they were legit bottles I would be tempted to put in a bid but I'm just to skeptical of someone having that much to ever bid.

Thoughts?

NorCalBoozer

05-11-2011, 15:00

I bought a case of Hirsch several years ago at $49.99 bottle because it seemed real cheap compared to the value of the bourbon and the fact that it was no longer made.

I don't know the exact numbers on the gold foil but there was a lot more of it produced than any of the wax versions by a lot so it doesn't surprise me that someone would be sitting on multiple cases of the stuff.

WsmataU

05-11-2011, 15:17

Perfectly believable. It's harder to believe you'd be willing to waste that much money on those bottles though. I guess if you want the status symbol, more power to you.

There are several posters on this board that have hoards of wax Hirsch. It was priced reasonably less than a decade ago, but that is the way it goes with discontinued items.

RyanL

05-11-2011, 15:27

Perfectly believable. It's harder to believe you'd be willing to waste that much money on those bottles though. I guess if you want the status symbol, more power to you.

There are several posters on this board that have hoards of wax Hirsch. It was priced reasonably less than a decade ago, but that is the way it goes with discontinued items.

I definitely wouldn't keep 12 bottles if I did it which I'm not going to do anyway. Would sell off most and keep a few bottles which would be pretty reasonably priced after that. I actually had it and liked it a lot but not enough to be paying $215/bottle for 12 bottles. For 1 maybe if I saw it on a day where I was feeling spewy with my money.

SMOWK

05-11-2011, 16:19

I definitely wouldn't keep 12 bottles if I did it which I'm not going to do anyway. Would sell off most and keep a few bottles which would be pretty reasonably priced after that. I actually had it and liked it a lot but not enough to be paying $215/bottle for 12 bottles. For 1 maybe if I saw it on a day where I was feeling spewy with my money.

I don't think those sort of eBay offerings are aimed at "us". :cool:

I can see hoarding quite a few cases of something that you really like that isn't going to available anymore. A lot of us, including myself, are probably/obviously guilty of that. If my liver were to fail in the next ten years, which is highly probable, I would have to point at the bunker and yell "That's gold, Jerry! Gold!"

barturtle

05-11-2011, 16:26

I was just talking to a gentleman a few weeks ago who had fallen in love with this whiskey and had accumulated many cases of it, all blue and gold wax editions. He mentioned he had sold some of the gold wax off, but was keeping the blue as his drinking stock.

RyanL

05-11-2011, 17:10

I guess I was just kinda assuming there wasn't many people out there hoarding too much of it from some of the things I had read. Like that it wasn't really considered collectible back then and most people just drank it, also that there really wasn't a secondary market for bourbon 4-5 years ago like there is now. I guess that wouldn't stop someone who bought up 4-5 cases of it for $40 from selling off most of his stock because he decided he wanted the money more than his favorite bourbon. I just personally wouldn't ever do that unless I was hurting for money but good for him. Unfortunately like most people I can't easily drop 2600 on 12 bottles of bourbon, maybe one day though.

wadewood

05-11-2011, 18:28

I guess I was just kinda assuming there wasn't many people out there hoarding too much of it from some of the things I had read. Like that it wasn't really considered collectible back then and most people just drank it, also that there really wasn't a secondary market for bourbon 4-5 years ago like there is now. I guess that wouldn't stop someone who bought up 4-5 cases of it for $40 from selling off most of his stock because he decided he wanted the money more than his favorite bourbon. I just personally wouldn't ever do that unless I was hurting for money but good for him. Unfortunately like most people I can't easily drop 2600 on 12 bottles of bourbon, maybe one day though.

Capitalism. Perhaps he bought for $40 as investment. He took a risk that the value would go up. Good for him. Plenty of great current stuff out there right now that if you wanted to buy 4-5 cases and sit on for 8-9 years you might get same return, then again you might not.

BFerguson

05-11-2011, 18:33

That's the funny thing about collectables.......back in the day, nobody ever thought the stuff would be worth anything in the future. Seriously, there is a collector for everything out in this world.

Got to admit, i did see this posting also the other day, and had a flashback to years ago standing in Binny's looking at the Hirsch, for $49.99, and wondering...."I wonder if my wife would kill me if i bought a case of this?"

I knew then it was special, and wouldn't be around. But, i probably would've ended up drinking most of them by now. Still have a bottle of the three I bought that day. Always brings up fun memories when I look at it.

It'll be opened someday and enjoyed. But not someday anytime soon........

B

HP12

05-11-2011, 19:37

Sit on current bottles/cases of PVW15 of Stitzel-Weller stock and see how it does in auction once Buffalo Trace stock comprises the PVW15 expression.

Long live capitalism.

Parkersback

05-11-2011, 21:02

I can see hoarding quite a few cases of something that you really like that isn't going to available anymore.

That's why I'm stocking up on handles of Jim Beam White every time I come across one.

sku

05-11-2011, 21:11

That's why I'm stocking up on handles of Jim Beam White every time I come across one.

Liquid Gold :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

cowdery

05-11-2011, 21:42

Yes, there are large Hirsch hoards out there. I've been aware of several dating back many years.

This Hirsch thing moved in slow motion. The obvious thing to do, if you had a lot of the stuff, was wait until all of the legitimate supply had moved through the pipeline. That would be ... now. You can wait, some will, but many won't. Many have been waiting for this for a decade or more. Time to cash out.

Special Reserve

05-12-2011, 02:32

Sold for as a buy it now for $3,000.

DeanSheen

05-12-2011, 07:55

Sold for as a buy it now for $3,000.

So no case discount.

doubleblank

05-12-2011, 13:06

Binny's ran a special on this about 6 years ago for $39.99. Hirsch Gold Foil tastes pretty good at that price.

Randy

Barrel_Proof

05-12-2011, 14:36

The $40 pricing was available from a few retailers who bought when Preiss offered great pricing for bulk orders in order to generate revenues to finance the bottling of the remaining whiskey that had been tanked at 16 years of age.

To generate even further revenues to complete the bottling of the tanked whiskey, a second tranche followed a few months later at even lower prices for retailers who made an additional bulk case purchase. Sam's, for example, sold the first gold foil tranche at $40 per bottle, then priced the second tranche at $33.

WsmataU

05-12-2011, 15:16

To generate even further revenues to complete the bottling of the tanked whiskey, a second tranche followed a few months later at even lower prices for retailers who made an additional bulk case purchase. Sam's, for example, sold the first gold foil tranche at $40 per bottle, then priced the second tranche at $33.

:slappin:Can you imagine going into Sam's and seeing a case of Blue Wax for $39.99. I wouldn't believe it if it happened to me. I can't even imagine trying to explain to my wife that purchase!:rolleyes:

cowdery

05-12-2011, 16:58

And what's the lesson of this, boys and girls?

Barrel_Proof

05-12-2011, 17:17

And what's the lesson of this, boys and girls?

I would welcome your teaching, Chuck. I merely wanted to add some info regarding this interesting period of A.H. Hirsch history.

I should add that A.H. Hirsch 16 sold for well more than $40 or $33 per bottle prior to this "get-it-in-the-bottle-now" period of its history.

RyanL

05-12-2011, 18:03

And what's the lesson of this, boys and girls?

Post about an auction here and it insta-sells for the buy it now price?

nivto

05-12-2011, 18:29

And what's the lesson of this, boys and girls?

it pays to be greedy?

BourbonJoe

05-13-2011, 04:51

Money talks and bullshit walks.
Joe :usflag:

callmeox

05-13-2011, 05:55

Illegal sales on eBay can be a profitable venture?

Are we getting close, Chuck?

Josh

05-13-2011, 06:28

A stitch in time saves nine?

Never look a gift horse in the mouth?

In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king?

Mediocre bourbon still sells as long as its rare?

cowdery

05-13-2011, 07:51

I was going for "don't dwell on rarities you missed, find and grab the great bargains that are available now." Of course, you won't have the benefit of hindsight and may have to think for yourself.

As for ebay, the people who buy and sell on ebay deserve each other, for better or worse. It has nothing to do with me.

ethangsmith

05-15-2011, 06:29

I'm still trying to get a bottle of Hirsch for my Michter's collection. Several people on here said they "think" they can get me a bottle, but so far none have come through. To sweeten the deal, I am sitting on 2 bottles of Pappy 20yo that I'd be willing to trade. Shoot me a PM if you've got some Hirsch you'd like to sell or trade.