good work boss , don't back downit's a good start , cpd has manpower , it needs to be put back in the fieldit's about timethis is the change that 90 % of us are looking for , if you are the police you belong in a beat car , not behind a desknext start rotating captains every few periods , captains have to many pets and most are in a comfort zone

They're definitely not dumping from field services. There's an abundance of light duty people that can work district desks. Oh and It seems as all the light duty people was up right with no signs of back problems and have No limps or hobbles.

Rahm could actually claim these as more officers on the " street" since they're inside people being sent out.Have to think there's many tucked away in HQ that can't justify their job.

While Rahm/McCarthy are cleaning house they also need to look closely at the "Admin" offices of D.C.'s and Areas. Our "Admin" office consists of 6 full duty officers. 2 are Commanders secretaries, 1 calls herself a timekeeper even though we've got a longtime civilian timekeeper, another one nobody is really sure what she does or when she'll show up but she often calls herself the "citation clerk". There's another on loan from 3rd watch because.....well just because. Lastly we have a full duty assuming the position of District Manager..you know the civilian position that was eliminated. Several of these full duty officers are latching onto civilian titles that were eliminated. With Patrol as short as it is this sounds ass backwards and counterproductive.

Hopefully he'll send them back to the Academy for police Training before he turns them loose on the streets & troops. The police impersonator probably knows more about being the police than these "house cats" do.

The 'victim' of the 023 sex assault just filed a federal lawsuit against the city claiming that 'widespread abuse' in the dept. goes unpunished and the city fails to investigate claims of sexual misconduct. Cha ching?

As someone with 21yrs. on, I'm seeing words like, "punishment" in the comments regarding this manpower reassignment. Or comments like "they just created a dog". I can understand being disappointed in being moved to a new unit, being away from friends, starting a new watch, etc. Yeah it sucks, I've been there and I was pissed off too when it happened. But you'll discover, no one really cares. You will survive and settle into a new routine. It's upsetting, still, life goes on and you still have a job. A job you chose to do. I doubt anyone ever told you your assignment would last your entire career, YOU volunteered to transfer to these units. But even this will pass. Consider it a learning experience. Someday, you'll have seniority and will be able to transfer to a unit of your choosing. You had a great gig, you met some great people,but it's over...time to move on. There will always, always be the connected and/or scholarship people on this job and in city government. It's the nature of the beast. Be Safe

Get it through your heads, the city isn't hiring any civilians to replace officers from the building!! if they leave a skeleton crew of people in the building their workload goes up tenfold! and then when those remaining officers get fed-up and try to go back to a district they will be denied! They are talking about laying off the remaining civilians in the building as it is, if they do, and then send officers out there will be nobody there to do the work... what a joke..

Those sitting behind desks at 35th Street and other buildings should be replaced by civilians and returned to field duty.

All police officers should be required to wear uniforms unless specifically exempted by the Superintendent. Tactical officers, many of those in Investigative Services, Internal Affairs, CAPS and other specialized units can perform their duties in uniform.

All personnel performing administrative duties can perform them in uniform.

Bodyguards for the Mayor, Alderman Burke, and other big shots can perform their duties while uniformed.

Whenever a uniformed officer, who works inside a buiding, goes outside the facility he/she should be required to wear a uniform jacket. They should be forbidden from covering up the uniform shirt with civilian clothing.

These requirments would increase the visability of CPD but would upset the "house cats".

Not many coppers left here at HQ. Most are light duty complaining of headaches. Like most of you out there don't have headaches everyday anyway. That's a different story though. There are some good full duty coppers here that do the work that needs to be done. Trust me, you don't want these civilians here doing it all. HQ has more SGT and higher than P.O.s.

"Tolva is counting on his chief data officer, Brett Goldstein, to expand upon Goldstein’s work developing a Chicago Police Department program that aims to predict when and where crime will happen. “We want to apply analytics to sets of data to identify patterns,” Tolva said. That could mean comparing a neighborhood’s 911 and 311 calls, or analyzing overlapping data from the Department of Transportation and Streets and Sanitation Department to figure out how to better deliver city services."

Article is at:http://www.suntimes.com/technology/guy/5572862-452/chicagos-tech-guru-envisions-smart-services.html

BEFORE more SWORN police are hired the city / department should hire civlians at a cheaper rate to do as many jobs as possible............. No fucking way do I want some civilian to have access to any kind of sensitive records!!!! And by the way are all ovet the place

Just saw Tiny Dancer 9.5 on the new show in Oprah's old time slot, Windy City Live, with Val Warner and Ryan Chevarini (sic). During the interview, Tiny Dancer 9.5 could not disguise his true personality. He is an arrogant prick!

I am no fan of the media, but Chevarini simply asked him about being in court yesterday and the little prick 9.5 did not answer the question, but quickly insulted Chevarini's intelligence and education. What an asshole! Tiny Dancer 9.5 is shanks on steroids!

Then 9.5 lies about putting 500 more cops on the street relating that they came from desk jobs. This guy is an asshole!

um has anyone seen what works the desk in districts and have u seen some of the clowns that have been at 35th for 5-10yrs or more? WTF are they going to do on the street except take up oxygen in the squad car

This is true, I have almost 5 years on and I have been here since 2009 filling copy machines , staplers, and running lunch errands and now I have to pick one of these districts to bid to. I just hope they have the same kind of copy machines wherever I end up!

BEFORE more SWORN police are hired the city / department should hire civlians at a cheaper rate to do as many jobs as possible.

KEEP AS MANY POLICE ON THE STREET as neccessary . . put civilians in as many spots as neccessary.

If you are a sworn officer and you are really sick/injured, then only should you work these inside 'empty holster' jobs."

5/26/2011 12:45:00 AM

Lets be careful what we wish for. You must have less that ten years on the job. Learn how to spell while your at it.

Do you really want a bunch of new hire civilians working the front office with access to all your personal information and your personnel file. Do you think a civilian employee has the same sense of security when it comes to sensitive information regarding Police matters and the security of you and your family.

The real questions you have to ask yourself are.

Do you, yourself really want to spend 29 years on the street and have zero opportunity to get off the street towards the end of your career?

Do you want to get stuck working the street with someone that has 25 or 30 years on the job and does not want to be in the street with you?

Are you willing to work the street for 30 years, retire and spend then next three years in court for no pay after you retire?

The Districts and Unit are run by the sworn personnel (not supervisors) most of who have worked the streets and know what is needed to do so.

Now go write some tickets and learn how to do your job before you start telling others that civilians can do their jobs.

Civilians on the police Dept is not the answer and never will be! Anyone who thinks so, should not be on this job either.

I would like to see you walk up to any one these "empty holster" guys and say it to their face punk! As a matter of fact I would pay to see it.

First, there were not many full duty officers left at headquarters. So only 50 were sent out. And second I'm sure a lot of you are unaware of the fact that some desk jobs require a trained officer to handle. And some desk jobs require more dedication and work than what a beat officer can handle in one day. Don't talk down what you know nothing about. There are officers that work the desk jobs who deserve a lot more credit and never get it.

As you are undoubtedly aware by now, Chicago has a unique brand of politics and, with the approval of the Mayor, you are doing your best to circumvent it. I suppose if you are going to "man" a number of inside positions with full-duty officers, and all things being equal, you might as well dole them out for political favors.

But here's a thought, though not necessarily new or unique... hire back retired coppers AS CIVILIANS to fill those spots and save the Department million$ by not having to do background checks or pay sworn officers' salaries for inside duty assignments and put EVEN MORE coppers back on the street. There is a vast wealth of untapped law enforcement trust and experience in our retirees who, given the opportunity, would probably jump at the chance to supplement their retirement income AND be an active employee again. I'm sure other police departments are utilizing these assets... Why not the CPD?

BEFORE more SWORN police are hired the city / department should hire civlians at a cheaper rate to do as many jobs as possible.

KEEP AS MANY POLICE ON THE STREET as neccessary . . put civilians in as many spots as neccessary.

If you are a sworn officer and you are really sick/injured, then only should you work these inside 'empty holster' jobs.

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Sorry they are better off with sworn doing the job over civilians. Civilians can only do the job that they are hired for per their union. Sworn have to do whatever there supervisors say they have to do.

The 'victim' of the 023 sex assault just filed a federal lawsuit against the city claiming that 'widespread abuse' in the dept. goes unpunished and the city fails to investigate claims of sexual misconduct. Cha ching?

5/26/2011 07:06:00 AMah yes. thats textbook loevy and loevy lawfirm. they allege that in every one of their suits.

How about a real volunteer and reserve program for those us who want to help but do want to give up our private sector jobs? Yes, their are a few of us, and even a handful who have prior LE and military experience. And I'm not talking about the 'intern' program already in place

Try hiring some crossing guards, half the watch is down every morning on school crossings and it all starts again at 2pm when po's are stuck on the corners. No cars available for hours a day and then we get called on the carpet for no activity when half the day is spent crossing someone elses kiddies across the street.

I've always maintained that if you shook out HQ's & the desks & offices of all the Districts , plus all those " hidden " spots, you'd have enough manpower to outfit 2 or 3 suburban PD's.And for those MSF & TRU guys going back to the district, here's a little trick I learned ...." you might want to re-assign those jobs squad, I'm going in with a uuw/ psmv/ felony narcotics " you know , a GOOD pinch...no matter where your at or whatever your assignment, you can always do police work.As fouled up as this Department is, I don't believe any supervisor will tell you not to arrest anyone.

Thats pure BULLSHIT that they are taking people from Headquarters, Now the real truth, Investigative services under the Skull, gave up just 5 people, now I have been arounf for over 30 yrs and provide a crucial service had people taken from me, I'm just wondering just how powerless our booses that run patrol really are, they took everyone from MSF & TRU but not one person from Headquarters. So now when the westside goes up, they will then call out all these agggressive coppers from the building. What a FARCE!!!!!!!!

Rotating Captain's is a Excellent idea and the Lieutenant's, there are way too many pets in inside aka house mouse's that continue to wine yet they are not the ones out here dealing with the public, weather and shitheads. Have you seen the professionalism displayed at the desk? even to people just walking in to ask simple questions? Are you serious? No wonder the public thinks we are a bunch of uneducated ignorant asshole's that the media displays us to be. Clean up these desk crews, there uncalled for attitudes and negative energy. Remember, your working inside, try to treat people as you would want you family members treated at least you Mom, if someone raises it to another level then fine, take it there but until then, not every one is a jagoff remember that. This department has an over flow of useless ignorant house mouses that could use a wake up call and a reminder of what they are here to be doing.

With civilian positions being terminated in districts, who should do the work that was once their responsibility? People complain about too many officers in the front offices but let's be real people, Districts don't magically run themselves. Who should be responsible for building maintenance, how about entering your activity? What about the day to day reports that are required? Even more importantly, your time? Some districts are lucky enough to have 1 civilian timekeeper, I don't know your feelings but that's a LOT of responsibility for one person. What if that T/K gets sick or takes time? Do you want an experienced PO as T/K to take over the responsibility or should the time cards, slips and ANA's wait for the return of the civilian? There is so much that goes on in the administration offices across this department that the average PO will never know about. Administrative positions may be unnecessary in your opinion, but next time you have a question, problem, or need something, your Administrators will still do what they can to help you, knowing damn well that you'll be talking about them 5 minutes later.

Nothing is over! Nothing! You just don't turn it off! It wasn't my choice! You asked me, I didn't ask you! And I did what I had to do to suck up for a promotion! But somebody wouldn't let us get promoted! And I come back to the district and I see all those KMA guys at roll call, protesting me, spitting. Calling me crime stats killer and all kinds of vile crap! Who are they to protest me? Who are they? Unless they've been me and been there and know what the hell they're yelling about!

I walked into a district the other day and saw 9 people working the desk! Seriously NINE Officers working the desk! Are you serious, how many one maned cars were out there? And not one person was assisting or dealing with any citizens. Crossword puzzles, facebooking and emailing like there was no tomorrow, what a joke and an embarrassment! Toss half of these nitwits a district beat map and show em the door. Waste of money and waste of man power.

CPD has no management and no accountability. Piss poor but that's the merit and my Daddy is a boss mentality.

I have noticed a trend in nervous bosses since the "McCarthy Era" began. Now it seems the shaky bosses are trying to "oversupervise" those who don't need it,while those RARE accidents waiting to happen, still fly under the radar. You'd think in light of the recent incident in 023 or the crash of the Street San Bustout,those types would be the focus of a Supvs attention. Instead focus is put on nonsense micromanagerial crap from people who do their job day in and day out. It speaks volumes about the promotional practices of a truly unproffesional dept and a serious lack of leadership.

While Rahm/McCarthy are cleaning house they also need to look closely at the "Admin" offices of D.C.'s and Areas. Our "Admin" office consists of 6 full duty officers. 2 are Commanders secretaries, 1 calls herself a timekeeper even though we've got a longtime civilian timekeeper, another one nobody is really sure what she does or when she'll show up but she often calls herself the "citation clerk". There's another on loan from 3rd watch because.....well just because.

This sounds like 14. The cmdr LF does nothing about it and neither does the deputy JE. Maybe because some of those extra inside people are still his? Area 5 has a Car meeting coming up. Maybe the Sup't will do something about it by then.

Before there were District Managers the District Secretary handled this job. I think that they can move several police onto the street but you do want at least one police officer in charge of your personal information. And the reason police were moved inside was because the City refused to fill civilian vacancies. Been there and done that! Hire retired police to fill inside vacancies!

So much gloating. These P.O.'s who are being sent back to patrol have been done a favor. Now they will have the full force of the contract to keep the boss's a bay. No more time or day off changes for some shit detail. Able to work holiday's for the time and or money, instead of DOH all the time. Able to work special more. 4/2 day's off. There are some with a short amount of time coming back,however most will have absolutely do problem knocking a shit load of these new smart ass's off 2nd or 3nd watch back to 1st watch. Those full early furlough's will be back as well.

This job, besides the automation is the same as it as ever been. It won't take long before all these P.O.'s coming back are up to speed with things.

I can't wait until the end of the year to read all bitching about how unfair it is to be bump. Life's a bitch kids....

Boo hoo for the fucking house mice! I realize that there are indeed desk and office personnel needed and of course do their jobs and do them well, but for christ sakes, do we need 6-8 useless people manning each of the commanders offices, caps, watch desk crews, etc, etc..? I work in 009, and the amount of useless people hidden about the station in the various places I just mentioned is staggering! Several useless females in the commanders office who act as if the goddamn staion would collapse without them and are basically only there to do furlo selections and make key cards, wtf? and with a grand total of about 6 years on the street! Moving on to the caps office, we have 2 well known male po's who spend a majority of their time blowing any politican, boss or business owner they can get their lips on. Their dry cleaning bill for fixing the 80/20's with knee patches must be killer. One of these fucks actually got a DC for setting up the 70th anniversary celebration at the old 009! Finally, the desk crews! If these overloaded crews spent half as much time on the street as they did dodging paper, facebooking and ordering fucking dinner at the desk, we might solve the city murder problem. I realize it's such a burden to do a walk in accident or theft report for a retired po while the rest the district is in a fucking backlog! I for one love the changes G Mac is making, and if it's at the expense of inside and desk personnel so be it! The amount of everyday theft happening by these same people by getting the same paychecks as the working police is sickening!

I've worked at headquarters for most of my career and moving these workers out is a big mistake. The data we oversee is a big part of the deployment of officers and has just as big an impact on crime as the officers on the street, maybe an even bigger impact.

The workers at headquarters are experienced and tossing that experience in the trash is not good for this department or the citizens of this city. Too many of these officers would be wasting their time doing routine patrol.

Totally off topic, but more P.O.'s are concerned with the "Animal" Flash Mobs than with the fact that the Politicians are stealing our pensions! Get your heads out of you're asses and contact your State Reps and Senators and tell them that we ,the Police, will do everything in our power to get them out of office if they don't vote against this Senate Bill 512. We paid what was asked of us and since they did not live up to their end of the bargain they want us to pay for that .Dems, Republicans neither are on are side. ACT NOW and make contact!

how about grounding the helicopter...W.T.F. DO THEY DO?...fly over the schools...NEVER UP AT NIGHT..and always gotta re fuel....USELESS!!!!

well, I could think of about a 20 different spots I could think of to cut besides the helicopter. The helicopter unit cant have that many people in it. besides, about a year ago they did a great job for us in a pursuit that started in 007 that went to 009 and the car got lost somewhere in 009. The helicopter found it, followed it all through 007, 009 then onto the expressway into 006 calling it out as the cars held back a distance as to not get into another pursuit. chopper followed it all the way into 002 where it was then picked up by the squad cars again and bad guy was caught... sure, they are never there when you need them but when they are there and on the bad guy his is as good as caught.. im sure we could think of many more useless people to get rid of than these guys

With some of the civilians employed by this city, I can't imagine that any sworn member would want them to have access to personal information, disciplinary records, time cards, etc....Putting officers back on the streets is the ultimate goal however some positions should be limited to sworn members. In response to utilizing PO's in civilian positions (ie: timekeeper or citation clerk), sometimes there are extenuating circumstances that require this to happen. Although some civilian positions were eliminated, the work still exists. And finally, regarding the position formerly known as District Manager; most of the responsibilities can be split among the admin. staff, however, maintaining the newer stations is almost a full time job. That said, unless you have worked in an admin. office, you will NEVER understand the hard work that goes on behind the scenes in a district. Having worked both inside and outside, I understand the pro's and con's of each. At times like this, maybe we should stop hating and start working together because this department NEEDS both the "inside" and "outside" people!

Well, the new Supe should look at 003--Front office secretary wears ??? on her face all day---doesn't have a clue---doesn't even know where par forms are, other secretary is a true bitch with missing teeth--nasty to just about everyone(including herself), stats guy? hardly see him, Desk personnel is run by an evil witch(13-14 yrs. on)-- who doesn't have a bid and her flunky who is pregnant--wears colorful joggin suits everyday for uniform, eats full plates of food in front of citizens while taking reports, and rubs her stomach the whole tour--a drunk Lt. for the Watch Commander(002nd watch) all this while Bosses observe this stuff daily ---and then the Bosses ask --Why is the morale so low in 003rd District?

how about grounding the helicopter...W.T.F. DO THEY DO?...fly over the schools...NEVER UP AT NIGHT..and always gotta re fuel....USELESS!!!!

5/26/2011 08:59:00 AM

As a former Army helicopter crew chief I can say with certainty that you have no idea what you're talking about. On most evenings the helicopter is assigned to a particular area/ radio zone. Now you may need it in the 16th district but he is on a patrol in the 4th district. Your zone would have to contact citywide in order to raise him to come and assist you. Also keep in mind that the helicopter is funded partially through the county and that means when it goes up it must patrol outside the city for a percentage of its air time. Also two hours of fuel time is about all they have and I would seriously doubt they would wait till near empty to refuel.Maybe the success stories aren't as frequent as we would like to see, but I for one realize their value.I am not in the aviation unit but wouldn't mind a spot there. No helicopter in a city as large as ours would be a shame. If you feel you need the helicopter then request it but don't take it personal if it is in one of the other 24 districts or suburbs of Chicago.The solution to the problems isn't the disbanding of every unit and putting everyone in a beat car.Stop being so short sighted.

Anonymous said..."If I was one of the remaining sworn officers left I would say kiss my ass . . . send me back to patrol now....."

Sure YOU would. That's why you're NOT at HQ.

Nobody at HQ will. Patrol is a place to stay out of.

5/26/2011 02:10:00 PM

Ok, to the prick or prickess who questioned the original poster ... there are P.O.'s in HQ who actually work and the work is important. If someone is in HQ with over 15 years, by seniority, they are stuck in that unit until allowed to go elsewhere. So, being on patrol just may be better than a slave to a desk and paper and micromanagement. Get a clue!

Anonymous said... As someone with 21yrs. on, I'm seeing words like, "punishment" in the comments regarding this manpower reassignment. Or comments like "they just created a dog". I can understand being disappointed in being moved to a new unit, being away from friends, starting a new watch, etc. Yeah it sucks, I've been there and I was pissed off too when it happened. But you'll discover, no one really cares. You will survive and settle into a new routine. It's upsetting, still, life goes on and you still have a job. A job you chose to do. I doubt anyone ever told you your assignment would last your entire career, YOU volunteered to transfer to these units. But even this will pass. Consider it a learning experience. Someday, you'll have seniority and will be able to transfer to a unit of your choosing. You had a great gig, you met some great people,but it's over...time to move on. There will always, always be the connected and/or scholarship people on this job and in city government. It's the nature of the beast. Be Safe

5/26/2011 07:47:00 AM

Well said. With 22 years on I seen many comings and goings, the only thing that seems different is how negative the newer hires are. Perhaps it's just the blog. Only death and taxes are guaranteed, deal with the changes, you might live to collect a pension check or two.

"Back in the day:" we had a civilain desk person and a civilian lockup keeper, I think it was called "Model Cities" or something like that.

The desk sergeant was a wounded/light duty guy, very honorable.

I was shanghaied because I was in a specific day off group designated "desk personnel." Not one of us knew what we were doing, but the "Old Sarge" held it together, and taught us how to do the job.(Yeah, it sucked) Kept coming up "light" on the bond money at the end of tour. First few times, it was $5-10 each to avoid the cr number. After we hit $20 each, we laid a trap, and found out the civilian aide was grabbing the bucks.

How about hiring retired coppers to work the inside jobs. I'm sure that there are some that are just bored enough that they would like to work 2 or 3 days a week for the salary of a civilian. And they are allowed to carry so station security would not be an issue.

" you might want to re-assign those jobs squad, I'm going in with a uuw/ psmv/ felony narcotics " you know , a GOOD pinch...no matter where your at or whatever your assignment, you can always do police work.As fouled up as this Department is, I don't believe any supervisor will tell you not to arrest anyone.

I agree except the narcotics thing...padding you numbers with one rock felony pinched is NOT police work junior

Anonymous said...um has anyone seen what works the desk in districts and have u seen some of the clowns that have been at 35th for 5-10yrs or more? WTF are they going to do on the street except take up oxygen in the squad car

I've worked at headquarters for most of my career and moving these workers out is a big mistake. The data we oversee is a big part of the deployment of officers and has just as big an impact on crime as the officers on the street, maybe an even bigger impact.

The workers at headquarters are experienced and tossing that experience in the trash is not good for this department or the citizens of this city. Too many of these officers would be wasting their time doing routine patrol.

5/26/2011 03:36:00 PM

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Yeah I'm sure everything is going to fall apart without all you experienced desk jockeys.

I've worked at headquarters for most of my career and moving these workers out is a big mistake. The data we oversee is a big part of the deployment of officers and has just as big an impact on crime as the officers on the street, maybe an even bigger impact.

The workers at headquarters are experienced and tossing that experience in the trash is not good for this department or the citizens of this city. Too many of these officers would be wasting their time doing routine patrol.___________________________________

Save the fucking sob story for someone that wants to hear. I was at hq too and a specialty but it didn't the first wave that got dumped by J-fled. No clout, no going back.

HQ Dump, how about 25 Districts with 3 watches filled with 8 plus people working a desk crew, all with shit attitudes, lets clean that out!

Even if you just clean up half of em, that's 4 per watch 12 per district 60 OFFICERS PER AREA and 300 CITYWIDE

so, 500 MSF & TRU plus 300 from district desk crews and 100 from headquarters that's only 100 more bodies King Rahm needs to get to his promise of 1000 Officers on the street, hmmmm 1300 west jackson has a few useless boddies...

All that dead weight in finance on the street again? I bet there will be a rush to the medical to get all those sore backs (which are due to inactivity) turned into herinated discs. The fakers ought to be careful of posting pics of themselves in high heels while claiming back injury. They sit on their big butts hiding behind a desk while the rest of us are risking our lives working on the streets (you know, the job we were trained to do). It will be interesting to see these slackers back at a real job with real cop hours.

Try hiring some crossing guards, half the watch is down every morning on school crossings and it all starts again at 2pm when po's are stuck on the corners. No cars available for hours a day ....when half the day is spent crossing someone elses kiddies across the street.

5/26/2011 12:38:00 PM

When guards call in sick they dont get paid, POs are already on the clock. Figure it out: crossing guard's pay is already budgeted in, so every sick day is a windfall for the department. Why would the city hire more when the job is already getting done and the city is saving money doing it.

Anonymous said...What I don't get is why anyone would view being assigned to a district radio car a "punishment". What did any of these folks think they were signing up for when they joined?

5/26/2011 10:17:00 AM

There are more posts giving shit to MSF and TRU officers then there are from those officers.

In my 25 years I haven't seen this much hatred toward fellow officers anywhere.

To guys bitching about spots, units, early ducks, long lunches etc. don't blame the other guy because he got it and you didn't. Blame the bosses. The bosses set up the game and officers took the opportunity to play. Shame on you for not being cunning enough to finagle a spot, duck or long lunch.

You get a check like the rest, if that isn't enough seek employment somewhere that will make you happy and enjoy life.

Anonymous said...Try hiring some crossing guards, half the watch is down every morning on school crossings and it all starts again at 2pm when po's are stuck on the corners. No cars available for hours a day and then we get called on the carpet for no activity when half the day is spent crossing someone elses kiddies across the street.

5/26/2011 12:38:00 PM

How about using the parents (safe passage) that are getting paid to watch their kids walk to school to fill in at the corners.

Re. The comments of how we can't get rid of the experienced office workers in inside spots, here's a solution, replace them with officers with over 20 years who are on light duty due to working. You are not that important that another po can't learn your job and send your able body on the street.And why are detectives behind desks at 35th st. Why can't a po do the work and save the money of paying a detective to sit inside. I'm sure we don't need a detective to process paperwork, a po would be quite capable.

Although I admire the new guy coming in and making changes, it is eerily familiar to what jfled did. Does he really understand the functions of these units? Does he really understand that some coppers are detailed to the State Police, etc., and serve a critical function and ARE NOT clout babies? That they work hard, put in long hours, and love what they do and therefore do a good job?Plus, their salaries are paid by the outside agencies via grants or whatever? Sorry, not everyone gets those spots, but not all of them are clout.

Fugitives lost five P/O's, 1 sgt. Seems like a clout-heavy unit, so no big deal. Mayor's guys were detailed there, then were never seen again--go figure. SERIOUSLY, never saw them again. They showed up first day, never saw them again. Explain that!

I'm at HQ also. Somebody please tell me I'm going back on the street. I have to start fucking off like the civilians and quit doing my job. Maybe they will launch my ass. I will say M-F is nice, but being chained to a desk typing for 8 hours is more stress than working the street. 25 years on and I would rather work the street.

Anonymous said...um has anyone seen what works the desk in districts and have u seen some of the clowns that have been at 35th for 5-10yrs or more? WTF are they going to do on the street except take up oxygen in the squad car

5/26/2011 10:14:00 AM

F*ck 'em.

Back on the street with 'em. If they can't handle it?

Get them off the payroll and hire real police officers.

5/26/2011 07:49:00 PMI am at headquarters. They toss me on the street no big deal. Just remember I forgot more about policing than you will know. At least I will handle my jobs, while you are figuring a way to blow everything off. KMA ASSHAT !!!!!!

Unprofessionalism At Its best in 003--let's not forget that while they are eating at the desk--they are rude, nasty, and talk on their cellphones while interacting and writing reports for the citizens. WTF! The desk crew (002nd watch)--treat the damn P.O.'s the same way. We don't go near the desk when certain P.O.'s are working up there and one of them has not been outside in about four years (no bid)?? And the bosses are afraid of her?? UNREAL!

Dump them all, does frank wilson head of finance still have a CPD spec lights and siren car? Why does eddie burke and the treasurer have police spec crown vics with all the police bells and whistles? What kind of an "emergency" do they respond to? Oh sorry a mocha latte from starbucks?

Sadly that is true that the CAPS officer from 009 received an award for making lobby of old 009 into a museum like lobby. He also hit the city up for copious amounts of O.T. while doing so. This asshat is completely shameless. If you ask him he'll tell you he did his police work on his other job before joining CPD. His other job was patrolling the dandelions with the Forest Preserve police!! If he ever has to truly hit the street, as in a beat car that answered the radio, he wouldn't know what to do. He can't be bothered with that nonsense there's politicians that need their hemmerhoids tickled!

You have absolutely no idea of what you are talking about!There are many Units at HQ that have had several full duty Officers reassigned. Please try to be more informed before ranting.

As for putting civilians in crutial admin spots, please be advised that certain documents can ONLY be prepared by Sworn personnel due to many legal reasons whether it be Districts or HQ. A Police Officer knows the proper thing tosay when someone calls the Dist to get info about you,etc.Ok, this thing happened with the details, but it's hard to read this blog and see how this incident has divided some of us. Sad

unforunately some of those down there belong there wthr medical/iod injuries ,the nurses,finance can go on and on we dont need these people in the districts. just a thought

5/26/2011 01:23:00 AM

Dumping po's from headquarters is not the answer....we honestly need them there. Also, many of them have not worked the streets in a long time & some have very little street time....so leave em there. We need newly hired po's who won't try to leave in 3 months looking for a spot & who will be trained with the most updated training for working in districts and on the streets. Stop hatin' and find some business. No, I don't work at headquarters...I'm in a district like the rest of us.

Nothing is over! Nothing! You just don't turn it off! It wasn't my choice! You asked me, I didn't ask you! And I did what I had to do to suck up for a promotion! But somebody wouldn't let us get promoted! And I come back to the district and I see all those KMA guys at roll call, protesting me, spitting. Calling me crime stats killer and all kinds of vile crap! Who are they to protest me? Who are they? Unless they've been me and been there and know what the hell they're yelling about!-------------------------------

Dump them all, does frank wilson head of finance still have a CPD spec lights and siren car? Why does eddie burke and the treasurer have police spec crown vics with all the police bells and whistles? What kind of an "emergency" do they respond to? Oh sorry a mocha latte from starbucks?

5/27/2011 12:30:00 AMTrue why is when they are out of town why are their detail guys not assigned to patrol like in 007? What do they do?

To 8:27 p.m. post:I have no idea where you get your numbers from.8 people per watch on the desk? I think not. My district has a desk Sgt and 2 p.o.'s per watch on the desk and is often crazy busy. Even in new districts there's nowhere near enough work stations for 8 people. So your calculations are way off and based on inaccurate numbers.

Anonymous said...What I don't get is why anyone would view being assigned to a district radio car a "punishment". What did any of these folks think they were signing up for when they joined?

5/26/2011 10:17:00 AM

There are more posts giving shit to MSF and TRU officers then there are from those officers.

In my 25 years I haven't seen this much hatred toward fellow officers anywhere.

To guys bitching about spots, units, early ducks, long lunches etc. don't blame the other guy because he got it and you didn't. Blame the bosses. The bosses set up the game and officers took the opportunity to play. Shame on you for not being cunning enough to finagle a spot, duck or long lunch.

You get a check like the rest, if that isn't enough seek employment somewhere that will make you happy and enjoy life.

I am amazed, butnot surprised, by the comments of desk personnel and HQ officers trying to justify their positions. Nothing but bullshit comments that do not ring true. You can hire a civilian and get them the proper fingerprint clearances to handle the alleged sensitive documents. You do not need a sworn officer and you certainly do not need a sworn officer to answer the phone so they can tell whomever calls, the " right thing". What utter bullshit. Many departments around the country have civilians handling just such assignments. In fact, there are ordinances and laws in effect that bar sworn officers from most administrative positions. This crap has been going on for so long that these privileged persons actually believe their own bullshit. Make it a demotable offense for a commander to be banging his subordinates and you probably will see less female officers on administrative jobs.

I retired after 34 years and various promotions and assignments. I laugh at the comments by the desk personnel that they special skills and abilitied are needed. What utter bullshit. And, worried about trouble at the desk? Yes, can happen. The city needs to retro fit the stations to protect the desk personnal just like it is done in cities around the country. The HQs building? The critical work they do, the indespensible work they do? More BS. YOu do not want civilians lookins at sensitve documents? More bullshit. More coppers give that stuff away to outsiders then any civilian. Most departments get by with majority civilians just fine. I worked at the HQ for a few years. The jobs can be taxing and demanding, but most of them are not. Long lunches, frequent breaks, weekends off . You are preaching to the faithful here. I love it how people attempt to justify their positions. The department should have a consulting firm come in and make some recommendations . They did some time back but the city never released the report. Too many special interests were affected. What sob stories. You actually want people to believe that things will fall apart unless you are allowed to keep your very critical desk job? You sound like the anti-gunners who are always telling scare stories about what might happen if people carry concealed. The reality of it is that civilians work most administrative positions in most cities and none of these scary stories have proven true.

Everyone talks about the dogs at HQ, but what about the ones who were injured doing their job and now are forced to work inside, at least their not on disability dogging the system like some clout babies.And I want some sworn at HQ doing work, I dont want some civilian to be going thru my file and spreading the word to the "boys".

To 8:27 p.m. post:I have no idea where you get your numbers from.8 people per watch on the desk? I think not. My district has a desk Sgt and 2 p.o.'s per watch on the desk and is often crazy busy. Even in new districts there's nowhere near enough work stations for 8 people. So your calculations are way off and based on inaccurate numbers.

5/27/2011 02:08:00 PM

I don't know where you work, but there's got to be at least a watch secretary who (wink, wink) doesn't appear on the sheets as watch secretary. Where's that 06 car that fills in on the desk? (wink again) There's more than two people on EVERY desk, whether the sheets read that way or not. Either you're naive, or you're not just drinking the KoolAid, you're making each batch.

There are more posts giving shit to MSF and TRU officers then there are from those officers.

In my 25 years I haven't seen this much hatred toward fellow officers anywhere.

To guys bitching about spots, units, early ducks, long lunches etc. don't blame the other guy because he got it and you didn't. Blame the bosses. The bosses set up the game and officers took the opportunity to play. Shame on you for not being cunning enough to finagle a spot, duck or long lunch.

You get a check like the rest, if that isn't enough seek employment somewhere that will make you happy and enjoy life.

5/26/2011 09:12:00 PM

AMEN BROTHER!!!!!!!When I got on the job 20 years ago an old timer told me to mind my own business and not to ever worry about what someone else got. He said one day you may be in a nice position your own self. There was always an element on this job that always seemed to be worried about someone but the absolute hate that I see on this blog is sickening. You have been calling for the elimination of TRU and MSF and GEU and the helicopter unit and desk crews and narcotics and HQ staff and on and on and on.....give it a fucking rest already and worry about yourself. There are many more important problems to worry about, like the City paying its fair share of our pensions, or maybe hiring at the rate of attrition.

The reason why the dept should not civilianize is because it creates a caste system. The dept. gets alway with paying less and the civilians get an attitude. Pay people what they are worth! Years ago, it was D3 pay for dispatchers; now, its civilianized with less pay than an officer. Shameful! Yet the city can continue to hire more and more exempts, like Jody Weis. Pitiful! Continue to advocate civilianization and you'll see auxillary police some day. Yea, well you wanted it old retire guy with 34 years; hope your college educated grandkid can afford that job with gas @ $5/gal.

"I can't believe the hatred toward your fellow officer. Seriously there are some bitter people on this job. Soon it will come full circle towards you."

Do you want to BET on that? I truly don't think so. I have 30 years on the job, work a beat car and do all the boring shit ALL cops do: answer radio assignments, write tickets, make case reports, patrol my beat, lock people up. I'm not complaining at all. I came on the job to do police work, not be some bosses knee-well throat queen or ass-kisser. I passed some stroke in the hallway that came on the job in the class following mine and he's NEVER been the police. It saddened me to realize that when he retires he'll get the exact same pension that I'll get only he's hidden his entire career in some office.

Please don't get me wrong. I'm not complaining. But somewhere along the line, the CPD came to think that working in an office, having a job where the 2-hour lunch was expected, leaving the whole "beat car" thing to the recruits and idiots was correct.

To the High Speed Super Secret SWAT operator, Mr. Suit and Tie Detective, Mr. Deputy Supt. and, yes....even you, G-MAC: Come out and play. Let's get dirty together and wrestle someone into handcuffs. Enjoy the drive into the station as our prisoner calls us every name in the book. Think of all the fun you're missing around the water (or kool-aid) cooler as you finish that 8-1/2 hour tour and see your smiling Sgt. at check-off.

Ahhhhhhhhh....never mind. You didn't come on the job for this stuff and I'm SURE you wouldn't like it now.

Maybe it's better you stay under the bosses desk and out of the way of policemen who EARN their checks.

Sadly that is true that the CAPS officer from 009 received an award for making lobby of old 009 into a museum like lobby. He also hit the city up for copious amounts of O.T. while doing so. This asshat is completely shameless. If you ask him he'll tell you he did his police work on his other job before joining CPD. His other job was patrolling the dandelions with the Forest Preserve police!! If he ever has to truly hit the street, as in a beat car that answered the radio, he wouldn't know what to do. He can't be bothered with that nonsense there's politicians that need their hemmerhoids tickled!

Well his sister is no better. She left 012 because she no one wanted to work with her scared ass. Went to TRU where no one wanted to work with her scared ass Now shes back in 012 were she can tell her war stories of working the desk. You wanna be the police you shoulda went to the southside NG

More coppers give that stuff away to outsiders then any civilian. Most departments get by with majority civilians just fine.

5/27/2011 04:34:00 PM

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You are obviously a civilian and not sworn. NO police officer has ever given personal information out. However civilians have been arrested for SELLING our data and personal information and coppers HAVE experienced identity theft and financial loss because of civilian selling protected information. Your opinion is not based on fact. You might have a grudge against anyone with an inside spot, I do not. I work in 014 and while I would like to have a desk job I wouldn't bash a cop having one since at least he can be trusted. Look what happened to the 911 system when cops were forced out. Yeah right, you are retired. If you are then you would remember that and the incompetence that followed when cops were replaced with civilians. You're a liar.

They should take the house mice on the 2nd floor of the 009th District and put them ALL on the street on 1st watch. I almost puked when I heard the useless desk dollies telling war stories. 1 or 2 years gunning on the street doesn't make you the police T.G & C.B...

Clout can get you a spot, keep you from going to jail, a promotion, turn an at home injury into an IOD and in some cases duty disability. Don't think this department is legit for a second. Coppers have gotten the Lambert Tree award on some bullshit they made up.

Greetings, I am part of MSF that got dumped, am I upset? you bet but only because they could have done more by taking a whole bunch of young Narcotics people out and put them in beat cars, if for no other reason then to teach them they are not all that hig and mighty, I make it apoint to be corgial to all in the workplace but these folks just think that they make the world a better place, they need to spread the wealth, take people from everywhere, I believe that we did a good job, yes, we too have some goofs in MSF, but I promise you that the numbers will go up, Homicide will go sky high this summer, Shootings too, it just stands to reason that it is going to happen, when you have a whole lot of people working in the same area, they can respond, I only hope our troops are safe . God Bless

I want to thank the folks that have made an honest attempt to make things available for ue officers at MSF, we had a good office crew who made every attempt to solve problems for us, never in my 12 yrs on this job did I encounter a Sergeant who actually got cars fixed for us and put his heart and soul into making things available, this guy has tons of time on this job and could out work anyone out there, I saw his crew shovel snow off cars, jump start them for us in the cold, come out at all hours when they needed the Light truck & Command Van, many thanks to Sgt. Nick and his crew, I'm sure we won't have this back in the districts. THANKS FROM THE MSF CREW !!!!!!

That may be true. But the CPD is not "most departments". Just like Cook is not "most counties". You really want some alderscums gangbanging relative getting hired and having access, because it undoubtedly WOULD happen here

only because they could have done more by taking a whole bunch of young Narcotics people out and put them in beat cars, if for no other reason then to teach them they are not all that hig and mighty, I make it apoint to be corgial to all in the workplace but these folks just think that they make the world a better place,

What is more amazing is that someone on this job (if you are)does not understand that security of sworn member's information is best done BY THE POLICE!!!! What is utter bullshit is that it is believed that civilians can get clearance to do certain jobs. They are NOT officers of the court and simply CANNOT prepare many documents related to that for example.

Another great undoing from our new Boss at 35th Street, word is getting out fast that tons of department support groups are dwindling down in manpower, the Crime Lab has a whole lot of vacancies do to retirement and have no plans on replacing these folks, K-9 is down to about 22 handlers to handle the entire city for around the clock service, they are nowthinking of just 2 - 10 hr shifts and a call-out program as needed for the last 4 hours, so in the middle of the night when K-9 is needed they will respond from home, next up, they recently took cars away from the SWAT guys who respond from home when they are off, seems that the city needed the unmakred cars, but wait, they took back marked cars too, now the brainstorm of the century, take MSF officers away, strip a team of guys that work their special trucks like a Light Truck that goes out just about every night due to shootings involving the Police, and I can't wait until the bosses have to freeze their Asses off or get soaked because the Command Truck is not on scene due to no manpower. I hear that to make this work the boss asked for 12 guys and they gave him 6, because the rest just had to go back to beat cars, so Pookie and Ray Ray can have the comfort of calling the police when the need arises, like when someone loses at the dice game and threatens to killsomeone or when the girls get into street fights and pull off each others hair extensions, Great work from our Command Staff who are crapping all over theirselves tryin to get next to Big GARRY from New Jersey. Just wait until he Pisses off the revs and Rahm gets a call from one of them crying that his nephew got stopped by the police for no apparentreason, Garry this is Not N.J. Keep on pissing off the working police, you must be taking your leads from the SKULL, you all know the guy as the D/S of Investigative Services. And no I'm not angry because I had a life change, but they need to think a little bit more. Homicides and Shooting increase is on da way folks

You are obviously a civilian and not sworn. NO police officer has ever given personal information out. However civilians have been arrested for SELLING our data and personal information and coppers HAVE experienced identity theft and financial loss because of civilian selling protected information. Your opinion is not based on fact. You might have a grudge against anyone

Not a cop ?? Bullshit. I spent 35 years on the job and I saw plenty of cops give away and sell information . This is based on fact. Some have actually gone to jail or been fired for doing this. Don't be so stupid and ignorant. Your fellow officers can be tgrusted? Most can, but sadly some cannot. I have seen cops fired for stealing property from fellow officers to include their service weapon. Don't be a dumb ass. Lists with the home addresses of officers have made their way to insurance companies and law officers. With the proper safeguards, civilians will work just fine.

For commenter who would never believe that cops would sell information or betray their fellow officer. I have news for you. There are more then a few incidents to include mobbed up guys in evidence and a former commander who not only did name checks for the mob, he stole money intended for the memorial fund.Leave your weapon on the bench and go home and see if it is turned in. Leave some equipment in your beat car and go home and see if it is turned in. Maybe yes and maybe no. Buddy, you are one ignorant asshat or a true believer in the goodness of every person.