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Strava doesn’t care anymore about such a “small” problems. They choose a social network way of doing things. I used to love Strava and I was hoping for a real features that actually active people can use to track and improve their activities. Like for example better routing module to plan routes, or better trainings. But no. Instead they come to an idea that what we actually need is another social network in our lifes. Sometines in next few months my yearly subscription is ending. Not planning to extend...sorry Strava. Wrong way You choose

Counting virtual rides should be something allowed or disallowed in a user's profile. Not everyone has year round weather in which to ride, and if you are using a smart trainer because of this, it is the closest you can get to outdoor riding.

Don't really see what all the complaining is about, this is a social product only. Being KOM somewhere is about as great as being the prettiest waiter / waitress @ Denny's.

You should look at Garmin Connect. Two years ago Strava blocked direct Edge uploads and made us go through Connect as you do today. In exchange Strava gets a mention on Edge menus now. Connect is a much better app than two years ago and does feature segments. Go for it. Most importantly, quit your premium subscription until Strava addresses the virtual rides.

It’s not about them not counting, but they should be listed at actual/virtual. I live in a flat part of the country so my yearly climbing is completely screwed by the climbing that’s done on zwift. My biggest climb is also listed as a zwift climb! Virtual climbing is not the same as climbing in real life so why not just separate the stats...show virtual and actual. It’s pretty simple I would say!

While I’m more on the side of “who cares?” (even ‘real’ miles don’t compare between riders), I’ll definitely vote with the “show virtual and actual” contingent. It does seem like it would be fairly easy to do, and could even be a further “perk” of the Premium subscription. After all, it’s not like our $60/year is really paying for much at the moment.

There should be a setting within a user's profile to allow them to count it or not. Maybe I should have tried to be a little more clear, that there should be a decision made per person. I too live in a flat part of the country (Dakotas) and understand your comment regarding climbs. This setting though would (if ever implemented) would likely only be for Premium (paid) members since it would take some DEV work via Strava folks.

Not sure why people take this so seriously to be honest. If I ride 30 miles on a smart trainer indoors when it is -20 outside, how is that different riding a square mile 30 times outside when weather permits when the terrain is flat?

I've used Strava 2+ years, Zwift 3 months. I'm in the 'separate buckets' camp - keep leaderboards separate, allow people to track miles/altitude/distance separately, and provide totals if desired. My personal preference is to track these separately, but I also use Strava to track my bicycle components, and my drivetrain likely cares less about real vs virtual miles.

The stats should be split... Riding 20 miles in the dark (lights) with the cold wind and rain should count more than sitting at home in the warm. Now you are giving altitude stats as well as distance it is crazy!!

Michael Martin: they should also count more than my 70-degree, flat Texas roads with a tailwind, but they don’t. Therein lies the problem: road miles don’t even compare to one another, and a Zwifter can do harder miles than I do (until 100-degree summer rides).

I used to be in the camp of "separate them out", but the more I think about it the more I say just lump them all together. If you really want to separate them out get the StravistiX extension and it already does it - problem solved. The reason I've switched is that the entire concept of miles counting "more" than others is already a mess and it has nothing to do with Zwift so why single out one type of ride if you're not going all in? You think fat bike miles are the same as road bike miles? How about mountain bike rides? How about group rides vs solo? You pussies riding in groups are fine if we knock off 25% of your miles compared to those hardasses riding solo, right? (I'm a 100% group rider pussy) Sunny Southern California miles sure as hell shouldn't count for as much frozen Utah miles right? Climbing miles vs flat. Time trial miles. Blah, blah blah. It's all a load of crap anyway. Track your miles. Compare yourself to whatever you want but unless you're riding the same type of bike in the same conditions at the same time (aka - a RACE!) any comparison is only what you want it to be. KOMs are the same way. Maybe they had a tailwind - maybe they were drafting the whole way - maybe they had a motor. Compare anything at your own risk. The fact that someone else is riding on a trainer doesn't make your miles any less valuable than the fact that someone's riding in a big group on a nice tailwind day. The whole point of Strava is to allow you to track your stats and improve and compare your efforts to others - but you HAVE to realize that the comparison was always only half-accurate before Zwift and it's no different now. So settle down, ride your bike - or your trainer - and have fun. If you want to truly compare yourself get outside and race head to head.

OK, so if the Zwift distance and ascent counts towards your totals, then they should also count for Challenges. But they don't. Why separate them for one thing but not the other? Double standards I say...

But it’s NOT very clear. Barring trainer miles means Zwifters will just log their trainer miles as road miles. Heck, I can attach a magnet and a cyclo to my stationary and Strava will be none the wiser if I don’t note it. Splitting the miles apart is one thing, but it’s foolish to think that not allowing trainer miles to be logged will keep those on trainer from logging their miles.

It seems pretty clear that many view the experience of using a trainer and riding on the road as different, and therefore want to track them separately (like me), so thanks to Ryan Smith for mentioning the StravistiX extension, which looks like it will suit me well (allowing tracking virtual vs road miles and climbs separately as well as totals). I agree with Ryan and Carl Stoneham that when it comes to comparing these stats across riders, even miles and climbs outside aren't necessarily comparable, but I don't see any chance that there's going to be any broad agreement on lumping vs splitting, simply because it's so subjective. Strava will likely go (or stay) with whatever method seems likely to them to retain the most riders, since that's what (probably) drives their business model.

Strava should make a challenge category for virtual rides, so that those in the northern snowy climates can actually still use Strava for the purpose it was intended...to socially spur on each other to get into shape, keep in shape, and keep pushing the personal limits.

That is, challenges owners should be given funcatiinality to allow or discard virtual rides as part of the challenge setup.

If a challenge owners want to discard virtual rides, then that's their business. Strava is the platform, so adjust your platform to fit your market. I won't ever purchase premium even at $1/month if I can't include my virtual rides stats on Strava. There's little.point to pay for premium.

To add my opinion to this, Virtual and Actual rides should be kept completely separate in Strava mileages. Some of the average speeds I see on Zwift and hence mileages wouldn't be sustainable outdoors. People approach their cycling in different ways and that's fine but these are two completely different activities.

To repeat Eric's statement above "Virtual stats separate from outdoor but with a combined total available would be ideal."

As to mileage comparisons on a trainer vs the outdoors, I'm pretty sure given the option, most us would rather bike 50 miles outdoors in really crappy weather than 25 in a basement. Unfortunately, the trainer is a given in upstate NY in January, The mileage numbers don't bug me as much as the elevation data. The climbing numbers that are being posted are nuts!

Merely having the ability for a user to segregate outdoor miles from trainer miles easily would be a start. Sure, it would be nice to "compete" on an even footing, but as others have noted there are plenty of other variables Strava doesn't control for that make that impossible (wind/weather, temperature, group rides, e-bikes, etc)

What's the downside to separating them? I sure can't see any. Separate them - enable us to make clubs that exclude or include virtual rides, as well as segments that do the same - and give us the ability to filter our feed so we can see the folks out there in the wind and snow actually going somewhere vs. someone who's just generating heat indoors and not actually going anywhere.

Okay please Strava give a reaction. People are getting more and more annoyed. Let us abandon zwift from club's who don't want virtual reality by separate stats or throw virtual reality out of the weekly stats.

Hey Steve,
When I was you, I would make a usb plug in my neck and log in to the matrix. Please throw your body away, or burn it. You could live on on a hard disk, because you fear the environment. It think the matrix solution is perfect for you. I will ride on on earth because it's a great place to be.

@Steve U. "The only reason people use trainers is because of all the advantages they have over getting out there on the road in the first place! Duh!" Really??? You think the reason people use trainers is because of all the "advantages" they offer? Everyone I know who cycles hates riding their trainer. Zwift and similar systems make an odious activity a tiny bit less odious, but the ONLY time any of us ride our trainers or on Zwift is when conditions prevent us from getting out on the road. 20 miles on a trainer still sucks. I'm sweating like an absolute pig after an hour on Zwift because I'm in my house with a fan to try and cool me down instead of riding through actual wind. I go ride 20 miles outside and that feels like a warmup. It's a much more pleasant experience to ride outside. As soon as the weather gets even remotely decent all the virtual rides come to a screeching halt and everyone takes to the pavement. If someone is on the top of my club leaderboard because of trainer miles I would actually be more impressed because spending that much time on a trainer is pure hell.

Except that it’s not. This roadie could care less if Zwifters are in his challenge. Why? Because this roadie does not turn to a niche social network to feel good about his riding (or anything for that matter). If you and other roadies (notice the lack of an apostrophe) need Strava to provide you with a sense of self-esteem, maybe it’s not the Zwifters that are the issue.

Go race and compete on an actually level playing field. Stop worrying about what someone on a stationary bike is doing, or why.

This thread is about keeping virtual rides separate from actual rides in cycling stats. It is not an opportunity for you to flame people whose training approach you don't agree with. If you have a contribution to make, make it, otherwise fuck off.