Sunday, June 15, 2008

The Cold Hard Reality

The two shootings, just 20 hours apart, separated by only one block, had the neighborhood on edge Saturday night.

"It's not really a good neighborhood anyway. People shoot. So after the [earlier] shooting , I was expecting something to happen," said Reginald Finley, who also lives in the area. "You got little kids out here packing for the police. The police, they kill you as fast as a little kid would. They abuse and do us wrong. So, people pack guns for the police."

Seems the shitheads in the 002 District have declared war on the police. Where's the protests that the "little kids" are arming themselves? Where's the marches by Jesse and Phleger and Meeks and every other useless "man of god" who spends more time creating victims and extorting money from their flocks that actually addressing problems?

Mr. Mayor? Reverends? Citizens of Chicago? Get your fucking heads out of your asses. Right now. Because a whole lot of people are going to die very shortly.

102 Comments:

Anonymous said...

You don't understand. The police are an occupying army preventing the community from doing what they want to do; drugs, booze, sex with minors. The only government intervention should come in the form of free goods, services and cash.

Now I ask you, why not let it happen? Why go after the drug dealer or user? Let it go. Let them have it. Drinking on the street, drugs on the street. Why not? The neighborhoods should reflect the community.

The revs teach that the cops are out to get everyone and keep them down. Give them the neighborhoods they want. Police service for those who deserve it, and none for them. It's pretty simple. They'll kill each other sooner if left on their own.

Mike C..Never forgotten when he left 013 I told him to be carefull because the deuce was no joke.the citizens bury their heads and dont know, dont want to know or just dont care. how many times have I heard put up the fence and call it a day. sure there are good people everywhere. here in 011 and im sure 02 07 09 15 also.but very few and far between.I saw how NY, I think, put up a neighborhood check point stopping everything in and out.some thanked the police other cried foul..I think those crying foul are dirty as hell. my fence is up and i am armed. Westside DMZ

Off Topic -Happy Fathers Day to all you Dads out there. Be safe and spend as much time as possible with the Kiddos before going into the "Jaws of Death" tonight.

As an aside - I saw a number of "Dumps" on the Friday transfer order. A few long over due and a couple highly predictable and well deserved.

PS - Here's a career tip for the know-it-all Joe S. [late of the academy], when your fellow POs at a town hall meeting get pissed off at you hogging the floor and are telling you to sit down, shut-up and give someone else a chance to talk - you probably should heed their request!

When I read the linked story, an Obama election ad declaring "Let's Unite for Our Common Purpose" was plastered right in the middle of the text. Nice touch, Channel 7! Looks like the peeps in the 'hood are doing just that...

So, when offender #1 started shooting up the wagon and a three block area, making it feel like we were in Iraq, we should have just showered him with hugs. Great job everyone involved in both legitimate shootings. Brothers AND Sisters of the 002.

Protect yourself, partner, and your fellow brothers and sisters. Fuck these assholes. Let them kill each other!!! How many arrests are we down this year vs last year. I bet its in the thousands!!! No more proactive policing!!! You deal with your own animals from now on revs!

I'm glad Mr. Finley made those remarks. Now that we have a citizen from the neighborhood affirming that individuals are carrying guns is not disputable. Moreover, he corroborates that offenders are pointing their guns at police,thereby justifying the use of deadly force by police. Thanks Mr. Finley for verifying what police have been saying.

Channel 7 let this gangbanging thug be interviewed for about 60 seconds even though he was an absolute piece of shit...thanks channel 7 I thought you somewhat left the viewer to decide a story but not anymore.Channel 7 why not do a story about how many assholes and rapists and murders this city actually has and forward it to the Olympic committee you sellouts!

Correct me if I'm wrong SCC. I believe you are referring to the killings that will occur to the citizens of the duce by their neighboring citizens.

Some of the good citizens feel it is their right to carry guns and use them at their discretion. In fact, they have no such right.As a police officer, I do NOT have to allow myself to be hurt or injured in the line of duty. If I am threatened I will defend myself.If the threat can cause great harm or death, I will respond with deadly force. If the offender happens to be a juvenile, that will in no way affect my actions in protecting myself.

To all of you liberals that feel guilty for what you have, and earned from hard work, don't. The segment of society that feel they are entitled to a middle class life, without having to work for it, are feeding off of your guilt.

That segment paints the police in a bad light to garner public support in hope of pressuring us to curtail aggressive enforcement. Curtailing aggressive enforcement will allow their criminal enterprises to flourish.

It is these criminal enterprises that lead to the street violence that culminate in homicides.

I challenge all law abiding citizens to stand up to the strong arm tactics of these people. It is time the silent majority stand behind the police and show support.

Keep policing over there you morons. Its mind boggling that people are out there still doing police work in these areas. The mayor doesnt like the police, the community hates the police, and the bosses dont give a shit about the troops.

all the people you mentioned..mayor,revs and such are paper tigers.they have little power or control in these areas.i quess that there isnt many mirrors in that side of town.. because personal RESPONSIBILTY for one s actions are unheard of.i guess kids drive in from barrington to sell drugs,shoot up the neighborhood and throw trash around the hood. blame the police, demand more tax dollars thrown your way.do everything possible to avoid responsibilty.hey...the paper tigers wont say it but i will....stay in school,get a job,pay your share of taxes,use a condom,stop having kids you/we cant afford,stop hustling bullshit and maybe your lives will improve and have respect for live and property in your areas.if the laws in this society are toooo tough...then move to somalia. you will have the freedom to drive around,higher than shit,and shoot up the place.the police are the reason kids pack guns.PLEASE...

SCC I know you don't like touse the word "animals" but what else do you call this shit? we at at WAR the top of our dept and the mayor criminal have done this to US! Get reday for more shit to happen! And the stupid bitch who did this she should be KILLED by the kids than burned! They want a war then when they call cpd don't respond until your ready in that area! "squad my car is dying out" could be a refrain! Then when r-man gets there it is a miracle car is ok! Had to diagnose a computer glitch!

You guys are out here doing your jobs and protecting the public, and they are trying to murder you! That's all they do is murder people, why can't anyone see what's happening? How dumb can the public be when seeing someone say shit like this? I know...extremely dumb. He is saying they're going to murder the police!!! And, channel 7 is essentially saying it's ok to murder people, especially the police. What the hell is wrong with these people?!They murder each other, then blame the police. WTF? I feel for all the police officers working in these areas.

direct result of the media telling people the police kill them. direct result.

this should give us the right to kill the media. they are endangering us through their BS

the NYPD dets shooting was deemed reasonable by the courts ... yet the media portayed them as killers.

As John Locke would argue ... since the media want to play outside the bounds of civil society .... and they endanger our lives in doing so .....we are now ... to use another Lockean phrase "In a state of War"

like i said before, these men of GOD need to instill fear in the black community that every one is against them. if the black community were independent and self sustained, which they arent, thaen these a--holes wouldnt have a voice, a flock or money to rip off legally from they people. as long as we have people like the jacksons, the meeks, or the fleggers, we, the african american community will never be free. we will never have a voice because, those a--holes will scream louderv all the for the need of attention, and not necessarily to be heard or say something good about us. im black and im ashamed to have people like, jackson, meeks and fleger on my side. all theyre doing is keeping me down.

That f*cking charles thomas is such a piece of shit. I've dealt with him in the past and he is as racist as they come. Everything has a spin against the police and no matter how wrong a black person might be, he spins it to make them the victim. Notice how he through in, with emphisis, about a 16 years old boy being shot in the back by police, but no mention at all about what precluded that shooting. And to listen to that citizen say that now KIDS are arming themselves FOR THE POLICE!!!! What the f*ck is going on here!!!???God bless you police in 002.

boys and girls please be careful. dont forget, keep your firearm skills up and try to shoot at least once a month and keeps those guns in good condition.. most importantly, take care of eachother, its going to get dangerous.

Charles Thomas from Channel 7 news obviously forgot his Media Day at the police academy years ago. He admitted on the news years ago that he realized cops only had a split second to make a decision. He had killed an unarmed person in a scenerio and was killed on another when he didn't draw his weapon. Last night he had to throw in the mutt who was killed on friday at 58th near Wabash was shot in the back and a weapon was recovered. IN THE BACK...IN THE BACK...IN THE BACK...media keeps trying to fan the racial flames. It doesn't matter if he was shot in the back if he was armed with a handagun. Fuck you Charles Thomas and ABC 7 news.

Washington park (I work in this district by the way) what a great place to host the olympics! I can read the headlines now. "Come to washington park and enjoy the olympics, a place where you have choices while trying to enjoy an international event. You have the choice of being Robbed, Raped, Shot or Stabbed during your stay. And guess what you world class athletes even have the option to stay at the historical Michael Reese hospital, right in the heart of one of chicago's most infamous neighborhoods. Here in Englewood you only have one two options though...raped or shot. What is that idiot Daley thinking. Man, Chicago citizens have never needed TERM LIMITS worse than they do now.

you guys do a thankless job that most people don't have the fortitude or the stomach for. we all know that the media hates the police with their one-sided "reporting." don't let that bother you, they will pay for for their mistakes eventually, it's called karma. it's very easy to sit in your homes safe at night and second guess and monday morning quarter back, and most people do. but those same people would never ever consider putting their lives on the line for complete strangers every day. keep up the good work cpd, and thank you.

SCC, that comment made on the scene was not by a retiree, but a young, foolish man. I can't even believe WLS-TV would have the gall to broadcast something so stupid and unsubstantiated as that was.If the young hoodlums of that community want to start a war with the Police, they'll lose, and lose badly. Hope that any level headed (RESPONSIBLE)community groups get out there and work hard to keep things peaceful in the Deuce. Watch your backs, 002 Police, it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better, it would seem.

SCC, that comment made on the scene was not by a retiree, but a young, foolish man. I can't even believe WLS-TV would have the gall to broadcast something so stupid and unsubstantiated as that was.

Sorry if we were unclear - a self identified retiree in a previous comments section (Weekend Bloody Start - Comment #3) quoted the Channel 7 report and said he felt damn sorry for us. We dug up the report and made it a post.

They can hold the Olympics in Washington Park. Miami cleans up the slums for the Orange Bowl, and the Super Bowl. Even New Orleans gets cleaned up a little for Mardi Gras/ If Chicago gets the Olympics. There will be a police presence far before the opening ceremony. Other cities have done it. It is not hard.

I hope you Yuppies are willing to guarantee more than $500 million to expeience the lifetime thrill of watching a Kenyan run past your porch.

We need to file a grievance for operation safe summer. There are plenty of funds to stop the violence. Beat officers have the right to have (1) day a month of overtime as long as they have BDUs. Operation safe summer can replace the old TARA computer sign up. You excepts read all the comments, take care of this before all the to/froms start coming in. What's fair is fair.

TURLOCK, Calif. - Police killed a 27-year-old man as he kicked, punched and stomped a toddler to death despite other people's attempts to stop him on a dark, country road, authorities said. Well done Turlock. Unfortunately, the scumbag was lucky to get a quick death.

Off topic, but since a person of color has qualified for the highest office in the land, do we still need affirmative action ?

Yes, because he (and his anti,American, wife) are products of affirmative action. Oh - am I not supposed to bring that up? Then disprove it - Compare his academics to his peers who applied to Harvard Law.

To all of you liberals that feel guilty for what you have, and earned from hard work, don't. The segment of society that feel they are entitled to a middle class life, without having to work for it, are feeding off of your guilt.

That segment paints the police in a bad light to garner public support in hope of pressuring us to curtail aggressive enforcement. Curtailing aggressive enforcement will allow their criminal enterprises to flourish.

It is these criminal enterprises that lead to the street violence that culminate in homicides.

I challenge all law abiding citizens to stand up to the strong arm tactics of these people. It is time the silent majority stand behind the police and show support.

PS - Here's a career tip for the know-it-all Joe S. [late of the academy], when your fellow POs at a town hall meeting get pissed off at you hogging the floor and are telling you to sit down, shut-up and give someone else a chance to talk - you probably should heed their request!

6/15/2008 09:12:00 AM

Rollo, I can speak for him. Joe learned his lesson the hard way. Do not speak at town hall meetings. That said, Joe was a big loss to academy. Now, academy lacks a qualified DUI instructor with street experience. Try asking anyone with DUI experience and teaching skills to work at academy. Impossible task. In-service DUI classes will end and department looses their expert for court. Despite your personal feelings about Joe, he was extremely competent trainer and course designer. Let him waste his talent on the street. Traffic division is useless when asked for help. However, I digress. Everyone makes mistakes or is passionate about certain topics but to dump him over an open forum meeting? Yes he hurt his career by being honest. CPD accomplished their goal. Rollo, not to worry. He learned his lesson and will remain silent. Thank you for your concern.

Enemies:- The media- The Superintendent- The Mayor- IPRA- IAD- The Feds- The courts- ASA's- The Revs- The community- The bleeding hearts

Allies:- Each other

I'm not even going to include the gun toting bangers, drug dealers, and other miscellaneous POS's. These are the enemies we should expect to be fighting on the job. It's a shame that all the others have decided to back the dregs of society. Stay safe, and take care of each other because your fellow brothers and sisters in blue are the only friends you have.

off topic: j-fed or some one at 35th street really responded to Lt. Zigenhorns letter in regards to the location of the St. Jude parade cause she is getting sent to 010.( I'm gonna assume that she did not bid there) As a norhtsider if they really want to bust your balls they send you to 010, look at who has been dumped there in the not to distant past. There is no easy way to get there from the northwest side of the city. Seems like retribution for experssing your 1st Amendment right but as police officers that is given up along with a piece of your soul. Stay strong Mo.

I challenge all law abiding citizens to stand up to the strong arm tactics of these people. It is time the silent majority stand behind the police and show support.

6/15/2008 11:17:00 AM

This is a great post BUT the decent citizens live side by with these gangbangers/dope dealers/etc...the REALITY for the decent citizens is to choose which side has the most power.

CPD is low on manpower in patrol, JFED is on the hunt to take down as many officers during his tenure, criminals do NOT have any laws/rules & regulations...WHICH SIDE WOULD YOU CHOSE BEING A DECENT CITIZEN?

The silent majority is PLAYING POSSUM, what other choice do they realistically have?

Yes, because he (and his anti,American, wife) are products of affirmative action. Oh - am I not supposed to bring that up? Then disprove it - Compare his academics to his peers who applied to Harvard Law.

You could just compare his academics with his Harvard classmates - Editor, Law Review and President, Law Review.

the REALITY for the decent citizens is to choose which side has the most power. CPD is low on manpower in patrol

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Do you really think the average citizen knows the difference between an ET or district patrol? Do you think the average citizen feels caught between gangs and police? This job is filled with motherfuckers that have small brains and giant egos. The truth is that NO ONE OUTSIDE OF US GIVES A FUCK!

Should have seen the 006th District Sunday night. Two of the parks had hundreds of gangbanging shit barbequing and they actually had permits issued by the City of Chicago. What the hell do you tell the neighbors. Yea their garbage but your City says they have rights.

the REALITY for the decent citizens is to choose which side has the most power. CPD is low on manpower in patrol

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Do you really think the average citizen knows the difference between an ET or district patrol? Do you think the average citizen feels caught between gangs and police? This job is filled with motherfuckers that have small brains and giant egos. The truth is that NO ONE OUTSIDE OF US GIVES A FUCK!

6/15/2008 11:35:00 PM

HOPE...that is what CPD should stand for. Read the article in Chicago's Suntimes PARADE section...throughout the nation, police are being shortchanged in their contracts AND no one wants to be the police.

CPD is being portrayed as criminals in the media during our contract negotiations...manpower is down...now the decent citizens cannot even count on CPD because of doubt & fear that has been planted in their minds from the media. Now the citizens equate CPD with these 'kids packing guns.'

The media being controlled from the powers that be...during our contract negotiations.

OUR OFFICERS IN OUR STAR CASE gave a f**k making the ultimate sacrifice that comes with our job, and the city is responding with their projected proposals basically saying 'F**K YOU!.'

We have enough memorials with too many lives that were taken by those who gave a f**k.

Phather Phlem says whites feel entitled. So do the ghetto scumbags. They feel entitled to free public housing, free WIC, free LINK, free SSI and free whatever else they can get from the G while they sling dope and bang hoes. Now they've got revs fronting for them and distracting the public. Good job.

"I challenge all law abiding citizens to stand up to the strong arm tactics of these people. It is time the silent majority stand behind the police and show support.

6/15/2008 11:17:00 AM"

Here are a few of the problems facing the law abiding citizen being challenged to 'stand up':

1. The effective absence of their right to self-defense, due to the presumption that a citizen's use of deadly force which results in the injury or demise of another human being is a 'guilty until proven innocent/justifiable' reality of the legal system.

2. The retaliation factor, given that the lives of law abiding citizens are much less portable than the predators who they would be defending themselves against.

3. The denial of the possession of effective means to defend themselves, and the certainty that, should they merely possess said means, they are subject to prosecution.

4. The 'catch-22' that the police are restricted by, resulting in the substantial loss of the use of discretion in the performance of their sworn duties. Effectively, the police no longer have the individual authority to exercise discretion and personal judgment, once 'on the record' contact has been made. Discretion in police work has become a choice between responding or not responding, with no official respect or weight given to the individual officer's judgment on the scene.

5. The false impression, that citizens have, of the police being anything close to a solution to the problem of the existence of others, citizens and non-citizens alike, who have a completely different, and totally uncivilized, perspective of life.

6. The apparent absence of understanding that the very political, religious and social 'leaders' who claim to be acting in the best interests of the public, are doing everything BUT acting in the best interests of the public.

7. The pragmatic human tendency to weigh the possible consequences of a) standing up to the criminals and b) minding their own business and hoping the shit doesn't fly their way, with the default being choice b).

I simply don't possess a clue! That's shamefull, especially with more than 25 years on this job. My experience has taught me that there are 'shit-heads' out there that don't like, respect or support the police...and thats in most neighborhoods! But reality has also taught me that we, who work in the worst area's of this city, only come into contact with 5% of the population. The remaining 95% in 002, 007, 010, 011, 015 are decent law-abiding citizens who are simply trying to have a life. Yet...there is a tendency to stereotype everyone. If these area's are so bad, so dangerous, you don't care for the Reverends, CBO's, and the policies of this Department...then quit! I'm sure your brilliance, insight, skills and talents will be recognized in the corporate structure, and you will be very well compensated! Why even remain in a position that demeans your character, request you to be a public servant, protector of the peace, etc? Oh...I know...whether it was 18 months ago or 18 years ago, YOU got the call. Someone picked up the phone and begged you. Someone on the other end said, "We need you!" NOT! Either you forgot the oath you took, or you began your career with a lie from the very beginning! Just Quit!

The remaining 95% in 002, 007, 010, 011, 015 are decent law-abiding citizens who are simply trying to have a life.

It seems like that thinking has kept these SAME drug spots in the above districts open and they still have the SAME problems for over 25 years now from what I have learned from the people with your experience. And with your 25years experience, I'm sure you had this SAME conversation 20+ years ago. Now I don't have your experience and I respect the guys that do but if nothing has changed, maybe it is more than just 5% doing bad.

PS - Here's a career tip for the know-it-all Joe S. [late of the academy], when your fellow POs at a town hall meeting get pissed off at you hogging the floor and are telling you to sit down, shut-up and give someone else a chance to talk - you probably should heed their request!

6/15/2008 09:12:00 AM

Dumped for speaking at a open meeting? Seems extreme but considering the current team at 35th street. Now officers are fighting over what was said at the meeting. Old mayor daley had a theory. Divide and conquer. He was a master. Can't we all get along?

Of course the Reverends and ineffective politicians will blame anything or anybody for violence problems, due to their incompetence and being able to come up with legal solutions, they blame anything other than their lazy, scamming selves.

Things will eventually get better, however, an open mind by ALL is necessary, not passing the blame to others for the numerous problems that confront us all. Common sense is needed, not name calling, or punishing those critical of current situation here, after all, it IS, pretty fucked up, so forget blaming the other persons, and work together for solutions. If something has already been tried and failed numerous times, it's time for a NEW approach, not the same old lame excuse making, and passing the buck.

I'm glad all the police are OK. They acted bravely and should be honored by the department. And, if your life is in danger, you have no other choice.

But, be warned. Chasing down the armed offender could cost you some cash.

By 2009, you will see good police in good shootings shell out some big cash out of their own pocket to career criminals and their families in shootings that were 100% justified.

Forty thousand, sixty thousand dollars? How would you like a $200 deduction every paycheck for the family of the man who tried to kill you?

Your fate will be held in the hands of Chicago juries that give millions of dollars to someone who CONFESSED to helping disarm a police officer. They won't hesitate to give away your money after shooting one of these mopes.

A very simple UUW trial a little while ago. Jury trial. Saw bad guy drop gun. Jury said not guilty. ASA said, they just didn't believe me over the mope's witnesses.

It really is a new day. Read some of the almost 800 comments on the Trib website about the $7.7 million judgement. Almost all are against the police.

The next time that "man with a gun" who perfectly matches the description starts running away. Do yourself a favor. Let him go.

Your full of shit! Then there will be witnesses saying "da polizez seen pookie shoot jojo and day didn't do nuttin but sit in their squad car and laugh" to which the police will get sued anyway, probably fired for not taking action. Do your job, let them sue the city. Nobody is getting my money! Get out of here with your "by 2009" Johnnie Cochran BULLSHIT!

Your full of shit! Then there will be witnesses saying "da polizez seen pookie shoot jojo and day didn't do nuttin but sit in their squad car and laugh" to which the police will get sued anyway, probably fired for not taking action. Do your job, let them sue the city. Nobody is getting my money! Get out of here with your "by 2009" Johnnie Cochran BULLSHIT!

6/17/2008 01:30:00 AM

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Talk to the guys from 4 Tact about keeping your money. Talk to the Detectives in Will Co. who have multi-million judgements on their heads.

Try to buy a house with a $20 thousand judgement on your head. You won't even be able to get a loan for an addition. Try to buy a car with an interest rate under 25%.

But, none of this effects you. Tou don't have to worry about any of this. So, go get those bad guys.