SPAM-MED: Re: Re: [september17discuss] MoveOn Execs Now Official Spokespeople For OWS, According to MSM Execs

keep create and lose materialize

On 10/18/11, rob hollander<lesrrd@gmail.com> wrote:

Sorry to come so late to the discussion today.

Couple of things. Why "through fraud"? Fraud -- deceit -- is only a small part of their profiteering. Much of it is in-your-face. The bail-out was not deceit. CEO's giving themselves huge paychecks is not fraud. I think everyone knows that their profiteering is not mostly through fraud -- it's using their money to create money and use its influence everywhere. It's coercion, it's harassment, it's pushing small commerce out of business, undermining wages -- none of that is fraud. Also it's not true that only the top 1% has profited (through fraud or otherwise). I suggest:

With the collusion of both parties, the top 1% has profited at the expense of everyone else.

Also "among us" says the opposite of what you want. You want to say solidarity with 'the people'. "Solidarity among us" means solidarity only among occupiers. Also "create" seems superfluous -- what does it say more than imagine or materialize? This:

We rely on cooperation and solidarity to imagine and materialize the changes needed for a sustainable world.

would work (and, btw, whoever wrote this one: it's a wonderful, beautiful sentiment!)

Ok folks --can we agree on this--are there any constructive suggestions---

The Democratic and Republican parties do not represent the people because they've been bought and corrupted by Wall Street, and the occupation does not support their candidates. With the collusion of both parties, only the top 1% has profitedthrough fraud, at the expense of everyone else. We have moved beyond false hopes,submissiontoeloquentspeeches, and populist manipulation. We rely on cooperation and solidarity among us to imagine, create and materialize the changes needed for a sustainable world.Fromdiverse multicultural, racial, ethnic, and sexual backgrounds,from different walks of life, we have begun to unite on common groundtooust the global financial powers that have bought our governments andwhohold ushostage to their greed.