My Draft Grade: B+--The Cards made several picks that may add instant help and were some favorites of .net including Cooper (who may help accross the O-line), Ryan Swope (probably a second rounder if concussions don't end his carreer early), Alex Okafor (can be added to the mix of an already impressive pass rush), and, of course, Honey Badger (possibly the steal of the draft, as long as he returns to form and is not arrested and expelled before the season). They upgraded the QB position, IMO, with the addition of Carson Palmer. They would have gotten an "A" from me if they drafted more o-line help and a higher-quality RB, both of which they sorely need to help their anemic offense.

My Draft Grade: A---Sorry, but the 9'ers are stacked already and all of these picks were quality for when they were taken. I took exception to the trade-up in the first round to get Reid in the first, but looking at how many picks they had and who they were able to take later on, it didn't strike me as that bad of a move when the draft was over. I suspect that all first 5 picks will see the field this year and play good minutes, and the pick of Lattimore is another candidate for steal of the draft once he comes back from injury. The rest are all talented enough to earn a roster spot.

Draft Grade: A- - Geeze...how the heck did they get Austin, Ogletree, and Baily where they did in this draft? STEALS, IMO. All of these three are impact players and have pro-bowl potential and immediately upgrade the offense. They did the best they could with where they picked in this draft, but they desprately need a sure-fire running back with the departure of Stephen Jackson.. I don't think Daryl Richardson and Isaiah Pead are up to the task of filling those shoes.

Again--NFC West= scary good after this draft. I still think the Seahawks should win it this year, but a few years down the road it will be a lo harder if those teams keep drafting like this.

The 49ers were simply not deep, that was their big weakness. They almost never rotated people out, you could see the big difference when Smith went down there was nobody to even spell him for a bit.

Now they have depth and if any of their picks end up being a performer this year then that is just gravy. Their secondary probably got better too.

For a team like us that is chasing them, considering we might have a harder schedule than they do, that is not really great news.

You think the 49ers secondary will be better than last year even though they are replacing an NFL all pro with an unproven rookie at SS? Maybe it ends up looking better because they helped their depth on the Dline which in turn may make the dline more productive all year and in turn again making the secondary look better but I find it very hard to believe they are going to have a "better" secondary than last year after losing Goldson.

The 49ers were simply not deep, that was their big weakness. They almost never rotated people out, you could see the big difference when Smith went down there was nobody to even spell him for a bit.

Now they have depth and if any of their picks end up being a performer this year then that is just gravy. Their secondary probably got better too.

For a team like us that is chasing them, considering we might have a harder schedule than they do, that is not really great news.

uhh the Niner's big weakness was their secondary and they lost their best player in FA. They filled the holes they had in the secondary with a rookie with arthritic shoulders and an old CB. I think they did alright with the d-line depth but they didn't do much to fix that secondary and I think it's gonna come back to bite them.

As for the rest of the division, it's pretty hard to give grades because the grading scale can't be the same for all the teams. Cards are almost in full rebuild mode. Rams are in the middle of theirs. The Hawks and Niners are looking for depth and future players. I think for what each team was trying to accomplish the order would go:

1. Rams2. Cards3. Seahawks4. Niners

Rams needed flash and impact and they get my number one almost purely off Austin. He has to prove he can take the beating at the NFL level but he looks good.

Cards will probably get the most players that contribute this year simply because they need the most. I don't blame them for not going tackle at 7 and Cooper will help their terrible run game.

Harvin figures into the equation somewhat with the Hawks draft and that's why I put them ahead of the Niners. Added even more depth to an almost incredibly deep d-line. A lot of pundits viewed Micheal as the best back in the draft talent wise and we also picked up a corner who is eerily similar to Sherman, size wise.

The Niners addressed some of their thin d-line issues but overall I feel their draft was used to fill positions they lost in FA. While that happens to good teams, did they really get better? They lost their starting NT, All pro safety, and back up DE to FA. The only d-line player they added in FA was Glenn Dorsey. They added two d-lineman in the draft and a safety. They basically replaced what they lost with the draft. That might work out but it's an unknown, Isaac Sopoaga and Goldson were good players. Can the draft picks live up to their level?

I think all the teams did well. The big question for me is WILL the 49ers play their rookies or will they be like last year and never substitute. I think if they continue coarse as last year Seattle will surpass them this year. PC I think is ahead of the NFL Curve in developing players, simply by throwing them in and seeing what they can do. He is tremendous at carving out roles for players allowing them to accelerate the pace of their development. The 49ers have virtually no production from their rookie class a year ago, as a result I think Seattle's 2012 class is further along than where SF's is.

It should be intersting to see how many of these players make their respective teams. I like Austin and Bailey, for the Rams the question is can they stay healthy with smaller frames. They should certainly help Bradford. Mathieu @ FS is a risk-- because as far as I know he's never played safety, just a corner. Though he's got good range I think that would help out their secondary, provided he can tackle well. Just think if AZ could come away with 2 starting guards in this draft, that would be excellent.

Draft Grade: A- - Geeze...how the heck did they get Austin, Ogletree, and Baily where they did in this draft? STEALS, IMO. All of these three are impact players and have pro-bowl potential and immediately upgrade the offense.

IMO it's not really amazing that they got Austin, Ogletree and Baily in those slots. #8 is a pretty costly price for a smaller receiver like that. Usually you would want a big-time player like Calvin Johnson or A.J. Green, etc in the top 10. When Ogletree ran as poorly as he did, some were talking about him being a 2nd rounder. I was wanting the Hawks to get him until the scouting combine (at which point I also watched more tape on him). There were a bunch or receivers like Bailey available (it'll just be a matter of who succeeds). My nephew is a huge Rams fan and he hated their draft. Can't believe they didn't try harder to get a top flight running back.

The 49ers were simply not deep, that was their big weakness. They almost never rotated people out, you could see the big difference when Smith went down there was nobody to even spell him for a bit.

Now they have depth and if any of their picks end up being a performer this year then that is just gravy. Their secondary probably got better too.

For a team like us that is chasing them, considering we might have a harder schedule than they do, that is not really great news.

You think the 49ers secondary will be better than last year even though they are replacing an NFL all pro with an unproven rookie at SS? Maybe it ends up looking better because they helped their depth on the Dline which in turn may make the dline more productive all year and in turn again making the secondary look better but I find it very hard to believe they are going to have a "better" secondary than last year after losing Goldson.

The Niners issues in the secondary are WAY, WAY overblown....as is the opinions for Goldson and Whitner. The CBs (Brown, Rogers, Culliver) are solid but unspectacular. Who knows what Nnamdi adds to the mix.

The 49ers had one of the best pass defenses in the NFL last year...right up until Justin tore his tricep and Aldon tore his labrum. The issue was no depth behind those guys. Before those injuries they gave up something like 200 yards per game and a 72 rating. AFTER the injuries it balooned to 300 YPG and a rating over 100. The DBs didn't suddenly start sucking. They got exposed by a pass rush that disappeared.

The Niner CBs are just fine. They aren't Seattles by any stretch, but they aren't nearly as bad as people have made out.

I've never been a huge fan of Goldson. He wasn't bad by any stretch but he was nowhere near as good as advertised. I'd have taken Earl Thomas any day of the week and twice on Sunday. Whitner is a monster in run support but a liability in coverage. I actually do think Reid can be better than Goldson (maybe not immediately) because Goldson was never a great safety in coverage.

Last edited by Marvin49 on Wed May 01, 2013 1:00 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Draft Grade: A- - Geeze...how the heck did they get Austin, Ogletree, and Baily where they did in this draft? STEALS, IMO. All of these three are impact players and have pro-bowl potential and immediately upgrade the offense.

IMO it's not really amazing that they got Austin, Ogletree and Baily in those slots. #8 is a pretty costly price for a smaller receiver like that. Usually you would want a big-time player like Calvin Johnson or A.J. Green, etc in the top 10. When Ogletree ran as poorly as he did, some were talking about him being a 2nd rounder. I was wanting the Hawks to get him until the scouting combine (at which point I also watched more tape on him). There were a bunch or receivers like Bailey available (it'll just be a matter of who succeeds). My nephew is a huge Rams fan and he hated their draft. Can't believe they didn't try harder to get a top flight running back.

These are just my opinions, so take it with a tablespoon of salt.

To be honest I'm less scared of the Rams now than I was when the season ended. The guys that killed the niners every year are no longer on the team...Amendola and Jackson. Austin may replace Amendola....but who do they have to replace Jackson?

jlwaters1 wrote:I think all the teams did well. The big question for me is WILL the 49ers play their rookies or will they be like last year and never substitute. I think if they continue coarse as last year Seattle will surpass them this year. PC I think is ahead of the NFL Curve in developing players, simply by throwing them in and seeing what they can do. He is tremendous at carving out roles for players allowing them to accelerate the pace of their development. The 49ers have virtually no production from their rookie class a year ago, as a result I think Seattle's 2012 class is further along than where SF's is.

It should be intersting to see how many of these players make their respective teams. I like Austin and Bailey, for the Rams the question is can they stay healthy with smaller frames. They should certainly help Bradford. Mathieu @ FS is a risk-- because as far as I know he's never played safety, just a corner. Though he's got good range I think that would help out their secondary, provided he can tackle well. Just think if AZ could come away with 2 starting guards in this draft, that would be excellent.

Last year the rookies didn't play because they didn't have to. They returned all 11 starter on D (Altho Aldon took over for Parys Haralson at OLB). Jenkins was buried behind Crab, Moss, Manningham, and Williams. James was buried behind Gore and Hunter. They traded away a number of picks (thats how they had so many this year). Looney was injured when drafted so essentially redshirted. Two of their OLB picks were hurt in camp. Its similar to what the 'Hawks did this year...they drafted for depth. Is Christine Michael gonna play right away? Most likely not, but he's there for the future and insurance if Lynch get hurt.

This year is diff for SF. They had some holes to fill. Barring the unexpected, Reid will start. McDonald will play. If he's healthy enough, Carradine will play.

Last edited by Marvin49 on Wed May 01, 2013 12:57 pm, edited 1 time in total.

The 49ers were simply not deep, that was their big weakness. They almost never rotated people out, you could see the big difference when Smith went down there was nobody to even spell him for a bit.

Now they have depth and if any of their picks end up being a performer this year then that is just gravy. Their secondary probably got better too.

For a team like us that is chasing them, considering we might have a harder schedule than they do, that is not really great news.

uhh the Niner's big weakness was their secondary and they lost their best player in FA. They filled the holes they had in the secondary with a rookie with arthritic shoulders and an old CB. I think they did alright with the d-line depth but they didn't do much to fix that secondary and I think it's gonna come back to bite them.

As for the rest of the division, it's pretty hard to give grades because the grading scale can't be the same for all the teams. Cards are almost in full rebuild mode. Rams are in the middle of theirs. The Hawks and Niners are looking for depth and future players. I think for what each team was trying to accomplish the order would go:

1. Rams2. Cards3. Seahawks4. Niners

Rams needed flash and impact and they get my number one almost purely off Austin. He has to prove he can take the beating at the NFL level but he looks good.

Cards will probably get the most players that contribute this year simply because they need the most. I don't blame them for not going tackle at 7 and Cooper will help their terrible run game.

Harvin figures into the equation somewhat with the Hawks draft and that's why I put them ahead of the Niners. Added even more depth to an almost incredibly deep d-line. A lot of pundits viewed Micheal as the best back in the draft talent wise and we also picked up a corner who is eerily similar to Sherman, size wise.

The Niners addressed some of their thin d-line issues but overall I feel their draft was used to fill positions they lost in FA. While that happens to good teams, did they really get better? They lost their starting NT, All pro safety, and back up DE to FA. The only d-line player they added in FA was Glenn Dorsey. They added two d-lineman in the draft and a safety. They basically replaced what they lost with the draft. That might work out but it's an unknown, Isaac Sopoaga and Goldson were good players. Can the draft picks live up to their level?

The Niners were one of the best pass defenses in the NFL until thier 2 best players in the pass rush were injured. Then, they were among the worst. Does that tell you the issue is up front or with the secondary? Goldson may have been all-pro, but he was overrated. I'm not just saying that because he's gone either..I've always felt that way. In fact I think the same of Whitner.

The CBs are solid but unspectacular. T. Brown is actually a pretty damn good corner but never gets noticed.

The Niners biggest issue was depth on the D-Line. NE almost came back because the D-line could barely breathe at the pace the Pats were running plays. They didn't have the depth to substitute. That was by design by NE and a great strategy that almost worked. Additionally...when Justin and Aldon were hurt...the pass rush disappeared entirely. Compounding that problem was that they lost Parys Haralson (starter at OLB in 2011) and rookie OLBs Darius Fleming and Cameron Johnson in preseason (and this is why they selected Corey Lemonier).

The Niners draft was about filling holes at the top 3 picks, but they went for depth with their remaining 8 picks.

Sopoaga? According to PFF he was one of the worst DT in the NFL last season. The Niners got Dorsey for about half the price and he's better against the run. Ricky Jean-Francois? Yeah...he's the guy who was replacing Justin in those games where the pass rush dissappeared. Yes...the Niners just replaced some players with draft picks, but I'll take Dorsey and Carradine over Sopoaga and RJF any day.

Reid...tough to say. Its a similar system to what he ran at LSU and I think he's already better in coverage than Goldson. Also a smart kid. We'll just have to see. Either way tho...the return of a healthy Justin, Aldon and Parys Haralson along with the additions of Carradine and Lemonier should make a huge difference.

Last edited by Marvin49 on Wed May 01, 2013 2:40 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Draft Grade: A- - Geeze...how the heck did they get Austin, Ogletree, and Baily where they did in this draft? STEALS, IMO. All of these three are impact players and have pro-bowl potential and immediately upgrade the offense.

IMO it's not really amazing that they got Austin, Ogletree and Baily in those slots. #8 is a pretty costly price for a smaller receiver like that. Usually you would want a big-time player like Calvin Johnson or A.J. Green, etc in the top 10. When Ogletree ran as poorly as he did, some were talking about him being a 2nd rounder. I was wanting the Hawks to get him until the scouting combine (at which point I also watched more tape on him). There were a bunch or receivers like Bailey available (it'll just be a matter of who succeeds). My nephew is a huge Rams fan and he hated their draft. Can't believe they didn't try harder to get a top flight running back.

These are just my opinions, so take it with a tablespoon of salt.

I don't really think there was a top flight RB to be had. They all had question marks. Lacey? Who wouldn't look good behind that line? I heard there was a medical issue with his toe as well. Michael? Character issue. Lattimore? Obviously an injury issue and they needed help there immediately.

My grades for the NFCW but, honestly way to early to see how it all pans out:

Rams A (I beileve they drafted the best) 49ers B+ (Got some great picks but, needed to feel spots)Seahawks A- (Was nice to draft depth and not so much as for need) Cards C+ (They improved but, thats not saying alot)

I think the general consensus from opposing fans is that Dashon Goldson was really good. After all he was the All-Pro. But he would routinely make bonehead plays, like late hits, that extended drives for the opposition. He also went for the 'home-run' play as opposed to the fundamentally sound play. I'm glad he got paid and I'm glad he got paid elsewhere, because he doesn't deserve the huge paycheck and the major cap hit. In general, our secondary has benefited significantly from our pass rush the last few years (Carlos Rogers, Dashon Goldson, and Donte Whitner all have made pro-bowls). None of those guys have had great seasons, but they've had great opportunities behind our stellar front 7.

The addition of Reid was curious, I thought it was a big of a reach, but I really don't see much of a drop off, given that we can get Justin and Aldon Smith healthy again and begin to integrate Dorsey and Carradine (and Lemonier, watch out for him!). Reid should start from day one and be a solid contributor for the foreseeable future.

Now for grades:

49ers: A- --really good draft, probably over-drafted Reid, but excellent value for Carradine, Patton, and LattimoreRams: A --great draft, good value on trades, and filled needs with good playersHawks: A- --adding Harvin into the equation, they added a playmaker, the future RB, and the future NT in Williams, as well as good depth elsewhereCardinal: B- --Cooper will be good, but a G can only improve your team so much. Minter and Mathieu will both be good players, but nothing special. They did get good value for Okafor and Taylor. Just not wow-ed by their draft, especially for drafting high.

Draft Grade: A- - Geeze...how the heck did they get Austin, Ogletree, and Baily where they did in this draft? STEALS, IMO. All of these three are impact players and have pro-bowl potential and immediately upgrade the offense.

IMO it's not really amazing that they got Austin, Ogletree and Baily in those slots. #8 is a pretty costly price for a smaller receiver like that. Usually you would want a big-time player like Calvin Johnson or A.J. Green, etc in the top 10. When Ogletree ran as poorly as he did, some were talking about him being a 2nd rounder. I was wanting the Hawks to get him until the scouting combine (at which point I also watched more tape on him). There were a bunch or receivers like Bailey available (it'll just be a matter of who succeeds). My nephew is a huge Rams fan and he hated their draft. Can't believe they didn't try harder to get a top flight running back.

These are just my opinions, so take it with a tablespoon of salt.

To be honest I'm less scared of the Rams now than I was when the season ended. The guys that killed the niners every year are no longer on the team...Amendola and Jackson. Austin may replace Amendola....but who do they have to replace Jackson?

The 49ers were simply not deep, that was their big weakness. They almost never rotated people out, you could see the big difference when Smith went down there was nobody to even spell him for a bit.

Now they have depth and if any of their picks end up being a performer this year then that is just gravy. Their secondary probably got better too.

For a team like us that is chasing them, considering we might have a harder schedule than they do, that is not really great news.

uhh the Niner's big weakness was their secondary and they lost their best player in FA. They filled the holes they had in the secondary with a rookie with arthritic shoulders and an old CB. I think they did alright with the d-line depth but they didn't do much to fix that secondary and I think it's gonna come back to bite them.

As for the rest of the division, it's pretty hard to give grades because the grading scale can't be the same for all the teams. Cards are almost in full rebuild mode. Rams are in the middle of theirs. The Hawks and Niners are looking for depth and future players. I think for what each team was trying to accomplish the order would go:

1. Rams2. Cards3. Seahawks4. Niners

Rams needed flash and impact and they get my number one almost purely off Austin. He has to prove he can take the beating at the NFL level but he looks good.

Cards will probably get the most players that contribute this year simply because they need the most. I don't blame them for not going tackle at 7 and Cooper will help their terrible run game.

Harvin figures into the equation somewhat with the Hawks draft and that's why I put them ahead of the Niners. Added even more depth to an almost incredibly deep d-line. A lot of pundits viewed Micheal as the best back in the draft talent wise and we also picked up a corner who is eerily similar to Sherman, size wise.

The Niners addressed some of their thin d-line issues but overall I feel their draft was used to fill positions they lost in FA. While that happens to good teams, did they really get better? They lost their starting NT, All pro safety, and back up DE to FA. The only d-line player they added in FA was Glenn Dorsey. They added two d-lineman in the draft and a safety. They basically replaced what they lost with the draft. That might work out but it's an unknown, Isaac Sopoaga and Goldson were good players. Can the draft picks live up to their level?

So you guys get to factor in Harvin since you gave up your first for him, but you then choose to not factor Boldin into ours since we have up only a 6th for him?

You guys want to talk about value...

DISCLAIMER:

The trash talking that I do occasionally this week is strictly for gamesmanship between opposing fanbases as a result of our upcoming matchup this week on SNF. It by no means should be taken personally.

The 49ers were simply not deep, that was their big weakness. They almost never rotated people out, you could see the big difference when Smith went down there was nobody to even spell him for a bit.

Now they have depth and if any of their picks end up being a performer this year then that is just gravy. Their secondary probably got better too.

For a team like us that is chasing them, considering we might have a harder schedule than they do, that is not really great news.

uhh the Niner's big weakness was their secondary and they lost their best player in FA. They filled the holes they had in the secondary with a rookie with arthritic shoulders and an old CB. I think they did alright with the d-line depth but they didn't do much to fix that secondary and I think it's gonna come back to bite them.

As for the rest of the division, it's pretty hard to give grades because the grading scale can't be the same for all the teams. Cards are almost in full rebuild mode. Rams are in the middle of theirs. The Hawks and Niners are looking for depth and future players. I think for what each team was trying to accomplish the order would go:

1. Rams2. Cards3. Seahawks4. Niners

Rams needed flash and impact and they get my number one almost purely off Austin. He has to prove he can take the beating at the NFL level but he looks good.

Cards will probably get the most players that contribute this year simply because they need the most. I don't blame them for not going tackle at 7 and Cooper will help their terrible run game.

Harvin figures into the equation somewhat with the Hawks draft and that's why I put them ahead of the Niners. Added even more depth to an almost incredibly deep d-line. A lot of pundits viewed Micheal as the best back in the draft talent wise and we also picked up a corner who is eerily similar to Sherman, size wise.

The Niners addressed some of their thin d-line issues but overall I feel their draft was used to fill positions they lost in FA. While that happens to good teams, did they really get better? They lost their starting NT, All pro safety, and back up DE to FA. The only d-line player they added in FA was Glenn Dorsey. They added two d-lineman in the draft and a safety. They basically replaced what they lost with the draft. That might work out but it's an unknown, Isaac Sopoaga and Goldson were good players. Can the draft picks live up to their level?

So you guys get to factor in Harvin since you gave up your first for him, but you then choose to not factor Boldin into ours since we have up only a 6th for him?

You guys want to talk about value...

Um, you want us to talk about the long term team building of the NFC West and include your geriatric WR that was contemplating retirement?

There's a reason he didn't mention Winfield. He's geriatric and on a 1 year contract, similar to Boldin.

Except there are plenty of posters on here who have included all your players you traded picks for when grading the teams respective drafts..."geriatric"or not, and yet none have included Boldin ever.

I can really care less, just thought it was amusing when I see posters claim that they only give the Hawks a higher draft grade due to the Harvin trade, but NONE have ever included the fact that we only gave up a 6th for a proven and very capable WR as well. Obviously not the same type of player as Harvin, but still a very talented playmaker.

DISCLAIMER:

The trash talking that I do occasionally this week is strictly for gamesmanship between opposing fanbases as a result of our upcoming matchup this week on SNF. It by no means should be taken personally.

Because Seattle got a long term contract out of Harvin, albeit expensive, he'll be around as long as a 1st round pick barring a free agent bust.

6th round picks aren't exactly coveted, but you get to pay $6m to a guy that's one and done. He may be a better option then Moss, but he's not assured of a good season either. He'll retire long before this years 6th rounders finish out their contracts. Not sure what you want them to say.

I'm not among those that lump Harvin into our draft, the best part of the NFL draft at the moment is cheap 3-4 year contracts and Harvin's is anything but. But at least he'll contribute as much as a draft pick.

amill87 wrote:uhh the Niner's big weakness was their secondary and they lost their best player in FA. They filled the holes they had in the secondary with a rookie with arthritic shoulders and an old CB. I think they did alright with the d-line depth but they didn't do much to fix that secondary and I think it's gonna come back to bite them.

As for the rest of the division, it's pretty hard to give grades because the grading scale can't be the same for all the teams. Cards are almost in full rebuild mode. Rams are in the middle of theirs. The Hawks and Niners are looking for depth and future players. I think for what each team was trying to accomplish the order would go:

1. Rams2. Cards3. Seahawks4. Niners

Rams needed flash and impact and they get my number one almost purely off Austin. He has to prove he can take the beating at the NFL level but he looks good.

Cards will probably get the most players that contribute this year simply because they need the most. I don't blame them for not going tackle at 7 and Cooper will help their terrible run game.

Harvin figures into the equation somewhat with the Hawks draft and that's why I put them ahead of the Niners. Added even more depth to an almost incredibly deep d-line. A lot of pundits viewed Micheal as the best back in the draft talent wise and we also picked up a corner who is eerily similar to Sherman, size wise.

The Niners addressed some of their thin d-line issues but overall I feel their draft was used to fill positions they lost in FA. While that happens to good teams, did they really get better? They lost their starting NT, All pro safety, and back up DE to FA. The only d-line player they added in FA was Glenn Dorsey. They added two d-lineman in the draft and a safety. They basically replaced what they lost with the draft. That might work out but it's an unknown, Isaac Sopoaga and Goldson were good players. Can the draft picks live up to their level?

So you guys get to factor in Harvin since you gave up your first for him, but you then choose to not factor Boldin into ours since we have up only a 6th for him?

You guys want to talk about value...

Um, you want us to talk about the long term team building of the NFC West and include your geriatric WR that was contemplating retirement?

There's a reason he didn't mention Winfield. He's geriatric and on a 1 year contract, similar to Boldin.

1) Boldin wasn't contemplating retirement. Thats simply BS. He's also only 32.2) Boldin should be included because a 49er draft pick was used to aquire him. The same can't be said of Winfield. Winfield was FA.3) Also....you might want to include Colt McCoy and the additional #3 they get next year from the Titans. They were also both the product of 49ers draft pick trades.

If you are going to include Harvin, you have include the product of all picks from this draft.

NinerLifer wrote:[quote="amill87"]uhh the Niner's big weakness was their secondary and they lost their best player in FA. They filled the holes they had in the secondary with a rookie with arthritic shoulders and an old CB. I think they did alright with the d-line depth but they didn't do much to fix that secondary and I think it's gonna come back to bite them.

As for the rest of the division, it's pretty hard to give grades because the grading scale can't be the same for all the teams. Cards are almost in full rebuild mode. Rams are in the middle of theirs. The Hawks and Niners are looking for depth and future players. I think for what each team was trying to accomplish the order would go:

1. Rams2. Cards3. Seahawks4. Niners

Rams needed flash and impact and they get my number one almost purely off Austin. He has to prove he can take the beating at the NFL level but he looks good.

Cards will probably get the most players that contribute this year simply because they need the most. I don't blame them for not going tackle at 7 and Cooper will help their terrible run game.

Harvin figures into the equation somewhat with the Hawks draft and that's why I put them ahead of the Niners. Added even more depth to an almost incredibly deep d-line. A lot of pundits viewed Micheal as the best back in the draft talent wise and we also picked up a corner who is eerily similar to Sherman, size wise.

The Niners addressed some of their thin d-line issues but overall I feel their draft was used to fill positions they lost in FA. While that happens to good teams, did they really get better? They lost their starting NT, All pro safety, and back up DE to FA. The only d-line player they added in FA was Glenn Dorsey. They added two d-lineman in the draft and a safety. They basically replaced what they lost with the draft. That might work out but it's an unknown, Isaac Sopoaga and Goldson were good players. Can the draft picks live up to their level?

So you guys get to factor in Harvin since you gave up your first for him, but you then choose to not factor Boldin into ours since we have up only a 6th for him?

You guys want to talk about value...

Um, you want us to talk about the long term team building of the NFC West and include your geriatric WR that was contemplating retirement?

There's a reason he didn't mention Winfield. He's geriatric and on a 1 year contract, similar to Boldin.

2) Boldin should be included because a 49er draft pick was used to aquire him. The same can't be said of Winfield. Winfield was FA.3) Also....you might want to include Colt McCoy and the additional #3 they get next year from the Titans. They were also both the product of 49ers draft pick trades.[/quote]

The 49ers had a decent draft. Last years .... Lets see how the draft picks play on the D-line and the aging secondary and the new rookies.

Making a statement such as "I would rather retire than...." doesn't mean that he was contemplating retirement LOL! It was just his way of showing that there was no other team that he wanted to ever play for at the time.

Think of it this way, If you said "I would rather kill myself than become a Niner fan!", is everybody supposed to believe that you are now Suicidal and am contemplating killing yourself even though you are a Seattle fan still?

It's called a "figure of speach".

DISCLAIMER:

The trash talking that I do occasionally this week is strictly for gamesmanship between opposing fanbases as a result of our upcoming matchup this week on SNF. It by no means should be taken personally.

NinerLifer wrote:So you guys get to factor in Harvin since you gave up your first for him, but you then choose to not factor Boldin into ours since we have up only a 6th for him?

They probably don't think another four touchdown season is worth noting.

So nobody ever performs better than their last season huh?

Well I guess your team peaked and you'll have to start considering the wildcard round your Superbowl victory since your players are never going to get any better.

And we'll have to get used to being the NFC Champions every year...bummer!

DISCLAIMER:

The trash talking that I do occasionally this week is strictly for gamesmanship between opposing fanbases as a result of our upcoming matchup this week on SNF. It by no means should be taken personally.

Lady Talon wrote:How long do you think he's playing for? a four year stint? will the niners even bother giving him another contract? Is he going to want one even if the team has a disappointing season?

The only reason we were able to acquire Boldin was that the Ravens didn't want to pay him $6M with Flacco's deal over their heads. We opened up Alex Smith's money, and dropped in Boldin's contract. Unless Boldin plays like he did in Arizona, I doubt we sign him again. He's there to bridge the gap until Jenkins, Patton, and potentially your castaway Lockette are ready to take over.

You probably haven't heard much about Patton, but he's already Harbaugh's favorite and I wouldn't be surprised if he jumps into the 3rd WR position right away. Jenkins and Lockette have been training with Kaep all offseason and I expect both to make good progress, especially Jenkins who's markedly bigger.

So the Boldin contract is for 1 season to provide another reliable WR with great hands and a viable RZ threat. Much better than a 6th round pick, considering we had 15 picks at the time.

2) Boldin should be included because a 49er draft pick was used to aquire him. The same can't be said of Winfield. Winfield was FA.3) Also....you might want to include Colt McCoy and the additional #3 they get next year from the Titans. They were also both the product of 49ers draft pick trades.

The 49ers had a decent draft. Last years .... Lets see how the draft picks play on the D-line and the aging secondary and the new rookies.

Colt McCoy? Please....

Uh....he didn't think he'd play for another team this season so he said he would "retire a Raven". That was a quote from before he was traded. He didn't expect to be traded. He was traded. He isn't retiring. He wasn't "contemplating retirement". If Russell Wilson said tomorrow that he'd retire a Seahawk, would that mean he is "contemplating retirment? No..it just means he's loyal to Seattle.

Colt McCoy was aquired for draft picks. I wasn't trying to say he's a game changer...I was just saying he was aquired with draft picks so should be included just as Harvin is. BTW, I do think it was a good trade considering what they gave up....essentially just a 7th round pick.

Essentially....if you are going to include Harvin in your draft class, the Niner draft class should look like so...

49ers fans, if a guy says he's gonna retire on team X, he was obviously contemplating retirement. He changed his mind. You're arguing that he never thought it in the first place, which is ridiculous and factually incorrect. Just sayin'.

RolandDeschain wrote:49ers fans, if a guy says he's gonna retire on team X, he was obviously contemplating retirement. He changed his mind. You're arguing that he never thought it in the first place, which is ridiculous and factually incorrect. Just sayin'.

That may be true, but "contemplating retirement" doesn't mean he doesn't "count" towards the 49ers draft in the same manner that Harvin does for Seattle

RolandDeschain wrote:49ers fans, if a guy says he's gonna retire on team X, he was obviously contemplating retirement. He changed his mind. You're arguing that he never thought it in the first place, which is ridiculous and factually incorrect. Just sayin'.

That may be true, but "contemplating retirement" doesn't mean he doesn't "count" towards the 49ers draft in the same manner that Harvin does for Seattle

And how do you expect a 30+ year old with the most physical receiver in the league label to last? lol. 1 year. So how does this affect your team in the long run? If you're talking draft impact, you talk about how a pick you spent lasts you for a number of years. Even if he doesn't retire, when his contract is up, he'll likely not be resigned. Even by the most optimistic projections, he's a 1 year stopgap not a replacement for a rookie contract.

So either way why would you guys complain about saying we traded our first for a 24 year old who will impact the Hawks for 6 years, by saying you traded your 6th round pick for a one off that won't last 25% of a rookie contract?

Why is this a debate? Who cares about draft grades? They are meaningless and based purely on speculation by novices. The guys that have the most education and information work for teams and they are wrong as often as not.

The Niners are in a bad situation with their draft at this poi t because that are going to learn NY trial and error what their draft picks strengths and weakness's are. How do you think they would have faired last year if Jenkins was forced to be one of the starters from game one? Well guess what, they are now in that position in multiple positions. Good luck with that. Last years draft grade were similar to this years and how did that work out?

RichNhansom wrote:Why is this a debate? Who cares about draft grades? They are meaningless and based purely on speculation by novices. The guys that have the most education and information work for teams and they are wrong as often as not.

The Niners are in a bad situation with their draft at this poi t because that are going to learn NY trial and error what their draft picks strengths and weakness's are. How do you think they would have faired last year if Jenkins was forced to be one of the starters from game one? Well guess what, they are now in that position in multiple positions. Good luck with that. Last years draft grade were similar to this years and how did that work out?

Well since your the expert, I guess the season is a wash...just like last year.

DISCLAIMER:

The trash talking that I do occasionally this week is strictly for gamesmanship between opposing fanbases as a result of our upcoming matchup this week on SNF. It by no means should be taken personally.

RolandDeschain wrote:49ers fans, if a guy says he's gonna retire on team X, he was obviously contemplating retirement. He changed his mind. You're arguing that he never thought it in the first place, which is ridiculous and factually incorrect. Just sayin'.

RolandDeschain wrote:49ers fans, if a guy says he's gonna retire on team X, he was obviously contemplating retirement. He changed his mind. You're arguing that he never thought it in the first place, which is ridiculous and factually incorrect. Just sayin'.

That may be true, but "contemplating retirement" doesn't mean he doesn't "count" towards the 49ers draft in the same manner that Harvin does for Seattle

And how do you expect a 30+ year old with the most physical receiver in the league label to last? lol. 1 year. So how does this affect your team in the long run? If you're talking draft impact, you talk about how a pick you spent lasts you for a number of years. Even if he doesn't retire, when his contract is up, he'll likely not be resigned. Even by the most optimistic projections, he's a 1 year stopgap not a replacement for a rookie contract.

So either way why would you guys complain about saying we traded our first for a 24 year old who will impact the Hawks for 6 years, by saying you traded your 6th round pick for a one off that won't last 25% of a rookie contract?

I don't understand why this is too complicated.

Boldin was aquired for a 6th round pick.

Colt McCoy was for a 7 and a swap of picks 8 picks apart.

They were aquisitions from Draft Picks.

People here want Harvin included in the draft evaluation because he was aquired for draft picks.

Why even argue? 2 of the picks the Niners had were used on Boldin and McCoy. 2 of the picks the Seahawks had were used on Harvin. Why is this too difficult?

All I see are people saying those guys won't be around longer than a year. How do you know that? They could sign extensions just as Harvin did. Some of the rookies drafted may be around no longer than a year especially ones taken in the 6th or 7th round like the picks the Niners gave up for those players.

I see no reason not to include them in the draft class if you are going to include Harvin. It makes no sense not to.

look@dafilm wrote:That may be true, but "contemplating retirement" doesn't mean he doesn't "count" towards the 49ers draft in the same manner that Harvin does for Seattle

And how do you expect a 30+ year old with the most physical receiver in the league label to last? lol. 1 year. So how does this affect your team in the long run? If you're talking draft impact, you talk about how a pick you spent lasts you for a number of years. Even if he doesn't retire, when his contract is up, he'll likely not be resigned. Even by the most optimistic projections, he's a 1 year stopgap not a replacement for a rookie contract.

So either way why would you guys complain about saying we traded our first for a 24 year old who will impact the Hawks for 6 years, by saying you traded your 6th round pick for a one off that won't last 25% of a rookie contract?

I don't understand why this is too complicated.

Boldin was aquired for a 6th round pick.

Colt McCoy was for a 7 and a swap of picks 8 picks apart.

They were aquisitions from Draft Picks.

People here want Harvin included in the draft evaluation because he was aquired for draft picks.

Why even argue? 2 of the picks the Niners had were used on Boldin and McCoy. 2 of the picks the Seahawks had were used on Harvin. Why is this too difficult?

All I see are people saying those guys won't be around longer than a year. How do you know that? They could sign extensions just as Harvin did. Some of the rookies drafted may be around no longer than a year especially ones taken in the 6th or 7th round like the picks the Niners gave up for those players.

I see no reason not to include them in the draft class if you are going to include Harvin. It makes no sense not to.

I could care less if they include Boldin or McCoy as their biased opinion doesn't matter, which is all we would get from them because most are too proud to admit that they didn't have a better draft than we did. I am all for them seeing the result on the field instead after we take the division again next year.

DISCLAIMER:

The trash talking that I do occasionally this week is strictly for gamesmanship between opposing fanbases as a result of our upcoming matchup this week on SNF. It by no means should be taken personally.

People are voting for the Seahawks to rep the NFC in the Super Bowl, and to win it. The people have spoken, nobody wants San Francisco anywhere. Seahawks are taking the division, will have a bye, and will win the Super Bowl this season.

People are voting for the Seahawks to rep the NFC in the Super Bowl, and to win it. The people have spoken, nobody wants San Francisco anywhere. Seahawks are taking the division, will have a bye, and will win the Super Bowl this season.

Actually I believe that the "Predict the season" showed us with the higher seeding, and thus why the theoretical NFCCG was played in SF as depicted with us being listed on the right side.

Trust us, we are happy that you guys are being hyped up the way you are, as it paints a bigger target on your foreheads and will help to make sure that no team will not prepare accordingly when going up against you.

It's starting to all come together perfectly!

DISCLAIMER:

The trash talking that I do occasionally this week is strictly for gamesmanship between opposing fanbases as a result of our upcoming matchup this week on SNF. It by no means should be taken personally.

theENGLISHseahawk wrote:I bet NinerLifer wet his pants watching that game at CLINK last season.

He gives off a sufficiently whiny vibe that watching his team get systematically destroyed was probably the final straw.

Piss alllllll over the pants.

Piss, Piss, Piss. Pants, Pants, Pants.

Yes...yes I did.

DISCLAIMER:

The trash talking that I do occasionally this week is strictly for gamesmanship between opposing fanbases as a result of our upcoming matchup this week on SNF. It by no means should be taken personally.