We need to keep our momentum, there is no doubt about it. Accelerating the pace could be dangerous. Leadership must be steady and responsive, careful to not get to far out in front of the public. We have to move EVERYONE with us or we can not win.

I don't disagree with you, necessarily, I think you have some legitimate points. But there are enough around here who carrya tinder-dry hatred of President Bush that rivals the left's. Tossing gasoline on something like that is not a good strategy.

Priorities must be clear and goals established. I actually think we need to be very, very careful at this point. Slow, and steady.

---Clearly you think of politics as some kind of sporting event wherein you have chosen, for whatever reason, to root for the Washington Elephants vs. the Washington Jackasses, and the election is all that matters to you.---

Pretty much. "Our team won, let's rub their noses in it"

Forget that you have to keep working to win - it's not just some 'game' that comes up once every two years. What you accomplish in between determines how you do.

I imagine he never heard what Rush Limbaugh said to the republican class of 94 - "You can't stop working - don't assume just because you're here now everyone agrees with you."

He wants to coast and gloat. That's a recipe for disaster.

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posted on 09/27/2005 7:29:32 PM PDT
by flashbunny
(Do you believe in the Constitution only until it keeps the government from doing what you want?)

I think you two guys (PD and Common Tator) need to get together for a daily freeper bitch slap thread called something like Common-Puke or Pukin- Tator to keep the weak kneed freepers from straying off the reservation. There seem to be more and more scairdy cats that listen to the MSM too much, and even spout DNC/MSM talking points. We need the voice of reason on a daily basis. Hopefully this can be accomplished. I am dead serious....I'm tired of the Linguine spines.

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posted on 09/27/2005 7:32:32 PM PDT
by samantha
(cheer up, the adults are in charge!)

I am sure that my opinion doesn't matter one bit to you, and I am sure you will continue to carp. However, I am fed up with people who never have anything positive to say and dwell on one issue to the exclusion of all else, whether it is immigration, the deficit, pork, or any of the single-issues that seem to preoccupy certain segments of the forum.

Well let's see. We didn't run out of Iraq with our tails between our legs. We didn't sell out to the Euro weenies, the UN, North Korea or Iran. We haven't had a tax hike. The left has gone totally mad an is imploding before our eyes. We won't have 2 new lefty members of the Supreme Court or more leftists federal judges, etc, etc.

I agree! It's only in the eyes of the Lame Stream Media that the President has been a dud so far. Oh course, if he pours $300 billion down the drain in LA I'll be pretty upset. I'm hearing tonight that a lot of those NO PD who walked off the job during Katrina never even existed! There were 'positions' but no policemen in them, if you get my drift. Unbelievable!

I called Shay's office today and said some very unkind things about him for which I have no shame whatsoever. John Gibson acted really more clueless than the uninformed Ct. Congressman when they were having their love-fest today. I told Shay's office that he had no right insinuating that Brown was incompetent when he has not shown one iota of competence in the last 10 years as a Congressman, and I bet he makes about the same money that Brown does and has none of the responsibility.

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posted on 09/27/2005 7:39:00 PM PDT
by samantha
(cheer up, the adults are in charge!)

LOL! Good for you! I called and told them that I was amazed and troubled that Chris Shays was getting a government salary, and also asked them why he had SO MANY offices, since he doesn't DO anything except ask clueless questions! And I told them that the RNC was going to hear from me about cutting his campaign donations from the national committee to ZERO!

I won't repeat my post earlier about his trophy wife and his lisp and what that all could possibly mean, but kee-ripes look at the sweet thang with the accusatory agenda. Gee everyone is incompetent but the guy that cried about the Juanita tape and the voted not to impeach the rapist. AGHHHHHHH.

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posted on 09/27/2005 7:47:34 PM PDT
by samantha
(cheer up, the adults are in charge!)

Now, I just returned from killing lots of wild animals in Alaska and eating them. Every bite was a win against some effed-up liberal. I loved every minute of it.

Looking askance... What?? I took myself on a one day fly-fishing trip at a lake in Michigan a few weeks ago. It was good for me, I liked it. The value of it was it itself. There were other people out there some might have been liberals, some of the guides (whom I went without) might have been liberals. No one was thinking about any political victory where we were, and that was a good thing.

You have to recognize victory when it happens and not be obsessed with things which are perhaps not even possible.

Politics is the art of the possible not a Wish List one side gets to enact without opposition. We have a bare plurality of the electorate vs. 48% willing to vote for an absolute Traitor + the Treason Media + the Leftist Control of almost all social institutions (churches, foundations, education). That is a crucial fact which needs to be recognized.

Some will always be in that almost always quixotic market for the guy or gal who will mesmerize the public into changing their views, despite the track record of a preference for cautious change by voters absent great stress. There is always a hunger for those who dream the impossible dream for the magic, silver bullet. At least it pumps money into the public square of debate. That is not all bad. It at least keeps the debate alive, and up close and personal.

If I can get some additional pleasure eating a salmon dead only a few minutes because I know some liberal somewhere is against it, whats it to you? I think about political victories in everything I do(almost). I get a thrill every time I fill up my Hummer, and some jerk in a Hybrid gets upset about it.

You express my sentiments exactly. We have to listen to Bush bashing every minute on TV and I can not fathom why anyone on FR would want to help the networks or the crazies at DU. They think they have President Bush on the ropes and they are going for the kill.

Sounds to me like some people need a good dose of Rush Limbaugh optimisim.

Well, since we only have a chance of achieving any of our goals if we get our side elected, and since a large chunk of the population doesn't want to pare down government, the trick is to go slowly.

Yes, the ultimate goal is a smaller government, but in the meanwhile we have to maintain a viable foreign policy, prosecute a war, and make sure that the government doesn't do anything to mess up the economy.

Most Americans LIKE Social Security. Most think that the government should be doing lots of things that we don't think it should.

It is going to take a generation of incremental wins before we will get the voters to change their minds on some of this stuff. We have been pretty successful on tax policy; I don't think the democrats will be able to convince people that raising taxes will solve problems.

But on a variety of conservative goals, we have to keep moving in small steps, all the while educating people. And if we blow it, and we lose our majorities and the presidency, then we will be back at square one.

Do I have days when I wish I could wave a magic wand and get rid of all the bloated government? Sure! But then reality tells me that we are going to have to shrink it slowly, and that there will be times when we have to compromise because of other, more immediate goals. Patience and persistence is what is required.

Well, I consider the tax cuts and the resultant boom in the economy a great victory. It is only the first step.

I don't know how you imbue people with courage, but judging from Chris Shays' performance today, there are quite a few who are a lost cause. And spending in some areas HAS been cut; it's just that the total budget has gone up, and some of that simply has to happen because of the increase in population.

There are other conservative issues besides spending, you know. Personal responsibility is one of them. I thnk the President has made great strides in making people accountable for their behavior. There is more to do, of course, but to say we have had no victories is untrue and a pessimistic way of looking at things.

"Well, I consider the tax cuts and the resultant boom in the economy a great victory. It is only the first step."

One of a relative few.

Compared to what has been given away the ted kennedy education bill, to name one), the republican base is being sold out.

And what has it gotten us? It's like he and no republicans have ever learned that you can't buy the adoration of liberals or the press by selling out. They'll demonize you no matter what you do - so you might as well fight for your agenda and be demonized, instead of fighting for the other side and be demonized.

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posted on 09/27/2005 9:02:33 PM PDT
by flashbunny
(Do you believe in the Constitution only until it keeps the government from doing what you want?)

The education bill's purpose is to make the schools ACCOUNTABLE. Doesn't it strike you as odd that the NEA is howling about it? Why is that? Because they have to PERFORM, and when they don't, they DON'T GET THE MONEY!

I am absolutely sick of people making such foolish assumptions as thinking that President Bush is trying to buy the affection of the liberals. Do you think he just fell off the turnip truck?

He has plans that go far beyond what will appear on TV next week or next month. The GOAL is making a nation of people who are responsible for themselves, and when that happens, we will not have people thinking they need big government!

Spare me the simplistic talking points. I don't agree and I am done explaining. Please try to take some time to think about this without the usual reaction.

Thank you for that rant! Though I am late to this thread I just have to get this off my chest from the weekend. If you still have your "list" going is John Kasich on it? He too rushed like a lemming to pile on in the aftermath of the hurricanes....it was jaw-dropping.

"President Bush is the first Republican President in 80 years to be reelected while the GOP gained seats in the house and senate.

Fewer Democrats elected to senate since 1929 and more Republicans in the house since 1946.

Republicans have gained ground under the last 4 out of 5 presidents with the 5th having no impact.

We did not get here by moving to the hard right."

Your last statement says it all. RINOS and "compassionate conservatism" are killing the Republican Party.

What you hadn't said though is the GOP has appreciably compromised on principle in lieu of power at the expense of refusing to uphold American sovereignty, slacking on promoting conservatism tenets, infusing socialism, and caving in to globalist politics and policies.

With their so-called "domination of both houses AND the Presidency," they ought to have been shot-gunning their traditional agendae, but by now we know they're not AND won't.

"We are still winning. Call it what you like. The GOP is currently filling the vacancies on the SCOTUS which is my #1 priority."

We may be "winning" elections, but sliding into centrist ideology which dilutes the conservative principle the GOP is supposed to represent and manifest.

As to those SCOTUS vacancies, NO ONE seems to have a clue how it'll turn out.

Since the majority GOP House and Prez are so frightned to go toe-to-toe to fight tooth and nail with the Dems for their guy, history dictates the'll inevitably cave and compromise on at least one of the two Justices to be considered.

"I'll take your so called RINO's any day when the alternative is the anti-american, anti-religion, Jewish hating liberals."

Does it really matter when those RINOs are McCain, Snowe, Chafee, and Specter? Gimme a break.

"Now, you and your small entourage which are expected to arrive here shortly, can have this thread to do your usual GOP, GWB bashing, which is really all you ever have to offer."

While you and your cabal of Bots bury your heads in the sand pretending the GOP has achieved done more than take one step forward, and one back, WE will continue to point out the fiscally rabid, anti-sovereign, chick-sh*t tendencies of today's GOP.

The national Republican party is not responsible for the failings of the Arkansas Republican party. The deterioration began when Senator Tim Hutchinson was defeated for reelection with the help of 'Christian' Republicans who insisted that his divorce and remarriage were a greater evil than electing a pro abortion RAT. The balance of power shifted and there hasn't been anybody to step in and give strong leadership since. Win Rockerfeller has brought some fiscal cleanup and responsibility to the party but with his illness there might not be much more help there. Asa Hutchinson was the last driving force to build the party and he is going to run for governor but I don't know if he is considered a pure enough conservative to get the support he needs to win. It is not easy to regain control of a state once it is lost.

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