If there was a knife thread I could contribute to that. We have no less than 25 knives in our bedroom alone (in all honesty it is closer to 30, but I don't really count the swiss army knives) I actually don't know how many we own in total. We like knives. Knives have so many uses outside of self defense.

I don't like the noise of a gun. If someone were to break into our home they would be met by 2 dogs, a hail of arrows, about 10 throwing knives, a tomahawk and a spear. After they get past all that I will have an 18 inch machete.

If there was a knife thread I could contribute to that. We have no less than 25 knives in our bedroom alone (in all honesty it is closer to 30, but I don't really count the swiss army knives) I actually don't know how many we own in total. We like knives. Knives have so many uses outside of self defense.

I don't like the noise of a gun. If someone were to break into our home they would be met by 2 dogs, a hail of arrows, about 10 throwing knives, a tomahawk and a spear. After they get past all that I will have an 18 inch machete.

My husband finds throwing knives relaxing

Knives are fun as well. I have a Cold Steel Recon Tanto in my room. My brother keeps an SRK knife on his pistol belt in the front for quick draw. I have a Bear Grylls machete that looks like an African militia choppa that I used for clearing brush last fall.

All in all, under 20' the knife is often more effective than the gun just because if you bring a knife to a gun fight and aren't already dead, it can be assumed you have the drop and the second or so disconnect between the brain recognizing danger and being able to draw (and ready a gun if you carry them unchambered like I usually do) is often all you need.

One of the odd things about the NE concealed carry law is that it is a "Concealed Carry HANDGUN permit". I could legally carry a shortened AK-47 without a stock so long as it was sold as a "handgun". If I carried a concealed knife over something like 4" or 5" I would be carrying a concealed weapon and could be punished.

For you, I think using the tomahawk or spear would just be too awesome!

If there was a knife thread I could contribute to that. We have no less than 25 knives in our bedroom alone (in all honesty it is closer to 30, but I don't really count the swiss army knives) I actually don't know how many we own in total. We like knives. Knives have so many uses outside of self defense.

I don't like the noise of a gun. If someone were to break into our home they would be met by 2 dogs, a hail of arrows, about 10 throwing knives, a tomahawk and a spear. After they get past all that I will have an 18 inch machete.

My husband finds throwing knives relaxing

Knives are fun as well. I have a Cold Steel Recon Tanto in my room. My brother keeps an SRK knife on his pistol belt in the front for quick draw. I have a Bear Grylls machete that looks like an African militia choppa that I used for clearing brush last fall.

All in all, under 20' the knife is often more effective than the gun just because if you bring a knife to a gun fight and aren't already dead, it can be assumed you have the drop and the second or so disconnect between the brain recognizing danger and being able to draw (and ready a gun if you carry them unchambered like I usually do) is often all you need.

One of the odd things about the NE concealed carry law is that it is a "Concealed Carry HANDGUN permit". I could legally carry a shortened AK-47 without a stock so long as it was sold as a "handgun". If I carried a concealed knife over something like 4" or 5" I would be carrying a concealed weapon and could be punished.

For you, I think using the tomahawk or spear would just be too awesome!

Personally, I think it'd be quite interesting for everyone to walk around with swords and/or tomahawks. In some parts of the nation that's not a terrible idea (where wildlife still vastly outnumbers humans). Not to mention it would look pretty cool.

Then again, in Europe the swords would be a fashion statement, while in America we'd read more and more about dangerous crowds of Shakespearean vagabonds biting their thumbs at one another and then dueling.

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If there was a knife thread I could contribute to that. We have no less than 25 knives in our bedroom alone (in all honesty it is closer to 30, but I don't really count the swiss army knives) I actually don't know how many we own in total. We like knives. Knives have so many uses outside of self defense.

I don't like the noise of a gun. If someone were to break into our home they would be met by 2 dogs, a hail of arrows, about 10 throwing knives, a tomahawk and a spear. After they get past all that I will have an 18 inch machete.

My husband finds throwing knives relaxing

Knives are fun as well. I have a Cold Steel Recon Tanto in my room. My brother keeps an SRK knife on his pistol belt in the front for quick draw. I have a Bear Grylls machete that looks like an African militia choppa that I used for clearing brush last fall.

All in all, under 20' the knife is often more effective than the gun just because if you bring a knife to a gun fight and aren't already dead, it can be assumed you have the drop and the second or so disconnect between the brain recognizing danger and being able to draw (and ready a gun if you carry them unchambered like I usually do) is often all you need.

One of the odd things about the NE concealed carry law is that it is a "Concealed Carry HANDGUN permit". I could legally carry a shortened AK-47 without a stock so long as it was sold as a "handgun". If I carried a concealed knife over something like 4" or 5" I would be carrying a concealed weapon and could be punished.

For you, I think using the tomahawk or spear would just be too awesome!

Personally, I think it'd be quite interesting for everyone to walk around with swords and/or tomahawks. In some parts of the nation that's not a terrible idea (where wildlife still vastly outnumbers humans). Not to mention it would look pretty cool.

Then again, in Europe the swords would be a fashion statement, while in America we'd read more and more about dangerous crowds of Shakespearean vagabonds biting their thumbs at one another and then dueling.

Personally, I would rather not have to deal with any wild animal that could kill me with a sword. A bear, wolf, catamount, or poisonous snake would be something I'd rather keep my distance from. In all honesty, I probably wouldn't want either of my usual carry guns for those, except maybe the snake (.38 snub nose or Polish Radom P64). Maybe the Glock just because .40 is an OK calibre for this, and it carries a lot of ammo, though with a bear or cougar I would much rather have the .45 LC for a pistol, or better yet, the .45-70 if I was able to carry a rifle!

If there was a knife thread I could contribute to that. We have no less than 25 knives in our bedroom alone (in all honesty it is closer to 30, but I don't really count the swiss army knives) I actually don't know how many we own in total. We like knives. Knives have so many uses outside of self defense.

I don't like the noise of a gun. If someone were to break into our home they would be met by 2 dogs, a hail of arrows, about 10 throwing knives, a tomahawk and a spear. After they get past all that I will have an 18 inch machete.

My husband finds throwing knives relaxing

Hard core! I love it!

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I would be happy to agree with you, but then both of us would be wrong.

...you can imagine so-called healing services of the pigpen. The books that could be written, you know: Life in the Pigpen. How to Cope in the Pigpen. Being Happy in the Pigpen. Surviving in the Pigpen. And then there could be counselling, for people who feel unhappy in the pigpen, to try to get them to come to terms with the pigpen, and to accept the pigpen.

Geeez. People just do not get it. THIS IS A PICTURE THREAD. There is another thread for arguing the merits of owning or not owning guns. It is REALLY so hard for supposedly intelligent people to understand this, or have I erred in assuming that most people's IQ on this list at least reaches room temperature on a cold day?

O.K. fair and valid point Punch. Everyone please excuse my contribution to defend the fundamental merits of the right to bear arms in the U.S.Indeed it is veering off the OP topic.

Nor will I defend whether my IQ is above room temperature on a cold day. Not sure it's always above room temp on a summer day and I live in South Florida!

That is OK. The person who posted under you as it all covered. I think he is from Yellowknife, in the winter. :-)

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I would be happy to agree with you, but then both of us would be wrong.

And my SKS came with a bayonet, but I took it off (serves no purpose). I will say that surprisingly the SKS is one of the most accurate weapons I've ever fired.

I had one from China, and when used with the Chinese match ammo, it could hold 1.5" groups at 100yds all day. I used it for shooting bowling pins in competition. Every bit as effective as the AR-15's and HK's in use then, only far more reliable. Out of two cases of ammunition that I put through it, there were zero malfunctions.

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I would be happy to agree with you, but then both of us would be wrong.

SOG is based in part up in our area. That is where we got some of the throwing knives and the machete. I actually waited in line almost 2 hours while 8 months pregnant with 3 kids to buy them for my husband as a Christmas gift. Fortunately one child was with her godmother, unfortunately she would have been the easiest one to have with me while waiting in line. I ended up with the three crazy busy ones. We were quite the interesting sight given how many people were gawking at us. I think the men were concerned my water would break at any moment!

In Europe, the murder rate is much lower (per year and 100 000 citizens - 0.85 in Denmark and 4.8 in the US).

At the same time, there is strict gun control, and hardly anyone owns one, except for hunting.

So where is the advantage of gun ownership, please?

And for those here who consider themselves to be Christian: If someone comes to kill or rape you, why don't you turn the other cheek?

1. Population control.

2. In the first case, I cannot since I would be dead. In the second, it depends on what he/she/it looks like. And since you profess the idea of turning the other cheek, PM me your address. I may like to try a few things out on you, since you don't mind and would not resist.

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I would be happy to agree with you, but then both of us would be wrong.

In Europe, the murder rate is much lower (per year and 100 000 citizens - 0.85 in Denmark and 4.8 in the US).

At the same time, there is strict gun control, and hardly anyone owns one, except for hunting.

So where is the advantage of gun ownership, please?

It's a lost cause. Americans desperately want to live in a third world country.

Don't worry about us.

Still, it is sad to see the direction the country of my birth is heading. At some point though I suppose I do become irrelevant American diaspora.

I don't think you can blame our economic and social issues on firearms ownership. There are plenty of other factors at work.

For example, what is gun ownership like in Ukraine? How does the economy compare?

Let me illustrate this - yesterday I rented for a few minutes an Uzi 9mm (I would post the pic, but I have been having nothing but problems uploading images on here). Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm not sure an average Ukrainian citizen could go to a shooting range and rent a submachinegun. Furthermore, based on the per capita GDP posted on the CIA World Fact Book, it would take the average Ukrainian two days to afford the cost of renting the gun and the 100 rounds of ammunition I shot off in about 15 seconds per magazine. For me, it wasn't exactly cheap, but a sum I could easily part with. And better yet, I probably paid the wages for most of the people working there for that hour, so that helped the economy.

Things aren't great over here, but I don't think more gun control would solve our issues.

And since you profess the idea of turning the other cheek, PM me your address. I may like to try a few things out on you, since you don't mind and would not resist.

Christian forum, bro.

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...you can imagine so-called healing services of the pigpen. The books that could be written, you know: Life in the Pigpen. How to Cope in the Pigpen. Being Happy in the Pigpen. Surviving in the Pigpen. And then there could be counselling, for people who feel unhappy in the pigpen, to try to get them to come to terms with the pigpen, and to accept the pigpen.

In Europe, the murder rate is much lower (per year and 100 000 citizens - 0.85 in Denmark and 4.8 in the US).

At the same time, there is strict gun control, and hardly anyone owns one, except for hunting.

So where is the advantage of gun ownership, please?

It's a lost cause. Americans desperately want to live in a third world country.

Don't worry about us.

Still, it is sad to see the direction the country of my birth is heading. At some point though I suppose I do become irrelevant American diaspora.

I don't think you can blame our economic and social issues on firearms ownership. There are plenty of other factors at work.

For example, what is gun ownership like in Ukraine? How does the economy compare?

I think the obsession with guns is more indicative of a general social and cultural decline rather than the root problem. The toothpaste has been out of the tube for a long while in the US, so cleaning up American cities of guns isn't going to happen over night - even if there were a sudden cultural change.

Don't look at official statistics re: Ukraine, as all of them are incredibly skewed. Basically the gun situation is that they are far too expensive for the lower classes to afford. That's probably the real reason gun violence isn't a big issue here. If you REALLY want a gun it is possible, but it is expensive and requires quite a few permits / training courses. For a middle class person it is possible, but only if one is really dedicated. For the very wealthy it is just a matter of money as all of the permits can be issued for the right price. Where there is a big cultural difference is that I'd say a good 9 / 10 middle class Ukrainians would bristle at the thought of gun ownership. Weapons are associated with either the super rich oligarch class, which is despised or with the gopnik class, who are also hated. The gopniki, of course, can't afford guns but knives and primitive improvised weapons are a real threat. I had a gopnik pull a knife on me about a month ago... not fun. Middle class Ukrainians don't have the Rambo fantasy displayed by many on this thread (and really at the heart of the American gun culture). Instead middle class Ukrainians simply modify their behavior to stay out of harm's way - avoid certain areas, don't go out late at night, etc.

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Who can watch the watchmen?"No one is paying attention to your post reports"Why do posters that claim to have me blocked keep sending me pms and responding to my posts? That makes no sense.

And since you profess the idea of turning the other cheek, PM me your address. I may like to try a few things out on you, since you don't mind and would not resist.

Christian forum, bro.

And your point? Look through the history of "Christianity" and you will find far worse. In any case, satire - how does it work? Look the word up in Wikipedia and you will see me on the side. I will stop posting satire when people stop posting stupid.

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I would be happy to agree with you, but then both of us would be wrong.

And your point? Look through the history of "Christianity" and you will find far worse.

My point is that mocking a teaching of Christ is sort of goofy on a Christian forum.

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Quote from: Fr. Thomas Hopko, dystopian parable of the prodigal son

...you can imagine so-called healing services of the pigpen. The books that could be written, you know: Life in the Pigpen. How to Cope in the Pigpen. Being Happy in the Pigpen. Surviving in the Pigpen. And then there could be counselling, for people who feel unhappy in the pigpen, to try to get them to come to terms with the pigpen, and to accept the pigpen.

And your point? Look through the history of "Christianity" and you will find far worse.

My point is that mocking a teaching of Christ is sort of goofy on a Christian forum.

I agree. That is why I wrote the satire against it. No place does the Church teach that I have to watch my family be killed or raped and not attempt to stop it. Even deadly force is allowable in such instances. I am getting tired of the limp writsted cowards that do no seem to have the stomach to defend themselves or their loved ones, and want someone else to put their life on the line for their chicken butts, but can sure find the time to ruin a thread not intended to discuss a matter by their drivel.

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I would be happy to agree with you, but then both of us would be wrong.

Over in Oakland, a city that borders my city in California, you can illegally get a gun for only $40 and sometimes even less if it has a body on it...

A gun has a body on it? Do you pull the gun out from under a corpse on the floor?

That is a street term use. When the authorities can trace the internal rifling of a gun or bullet to a previous murder. Holding the owner of that gun accountable to a previous crime they may have not done.

The picture if off the Internet, but the pistol is the same as mine with exception that my scope is brushed nickel rather than blued. This is a really nice combination. The 2X Burris is a boon for those like me who's eyes are not what they used to be. The Bisley frame makes it really comfortable to shoot. BTW - this is a Ruger New Model Super Blackhawk Bisley Hunter in .44 Magnum.

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I would be happy to agree with you, but then both of us would be wrong.

No place does the Church teach that I have to watch my family be killed or raped and not attempt to stop it.

It's awfully scary in this world, isn't it? Rapists are everywhere.

I've met enough women who've been raped that I find it's not necessary for rapists to be everywhere, just one at the wrong time is enough. Or several at the wrong time.

Here's my challenge to everyone getting on to Punch on here, if you know a woman who has been raped, go up to her and tell her to get over it and just turn the other cheek.

(FWIW, I do know women who've been raped or sexually assaulted, etc. I won't be joining you.)

Yes. You and I know a woman who would be particularly amuzed with some on this forum, particularly those who like to see people disarmed so they can be nice victims. Since the first person who raped her, when she was only five years old, was a Baptist Deacon, and the Roman Catholic priest who had to "purify her womb" with his penis before he would baptize her daughter, she has pretty interesting view of "Christians". She likes my brand of Christianity a bit better, and would be pretty revolted at the Kalinas and Gorzads on this forum. Yes, tell her to be a good Christian and "turn the other cheek". Or maybe "roll over". I want to be there when you do. I have never actually got a chance to see a gun (which she has now) shoved so far up a person's rear that a dentist would have to remove it. But I would find it interesting. And, I am sure they would "turn the other cheek" so she could do it again.

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I would be happy to agree with you, but then both of us would be wrong.

I have endured sexual assault. In my case a gun would have been worthless. A gun wouldn't make me feel any safer. Women aren't the only ones that are sexually assaulted either. It actually really irks me when people single out women as the only victims of sexual assault. Men and boys are victimized too. For the average victim a gun would be pretty worthless since most sexual assault victims are abused by people they know/trust not random strangers.

I like knives. Sure they can be great self defense weapons if used correctly. But they have a purpose outside of self defense or hunting. I use the knife I keep in my purse on a daily basis.

Self defense in reference to strangers starts with knowing how to keep out of dangerous situations. An actual self defense course such as Krav Maga would be far more useful than a gun. Owning a gun (or knife) is useless if you don't know how to use it. And to really know how to use a gun you need to do more than target practice every few weeks/months. Most people can't target practice on a daily basis. Knowing how to shoot a gun in theory won't actually guarantee that you will do so in a dangerous situation. It is one thing to shoot at a target, another altogether to shoot another human being. There is a reason why the military has to work so hard to condition soldiers to shoot/attack. Unless you are semi sociopathic it isn't all that easy to kill someone. It isn't instinctual to kill someone unless you have trained hours and hours and broken down the instinct not to kill that is there inherently.

If you are going to shoot a person, you shoot to kill. Center mass and head shots only. It isn't like in the movies where you shoot them in the leg/arm in hopes of stopping them. This is why I am more comfortable with knives. I can incapacitate a person with a well placed knife cut, I don't have to go for the "kill shots" so to speak. There are defenses to the "defanging the snake" techniques that need to be practiced so they become instinctual. But that isn't the same as practicing to kill someone. Yes, I could kill someone with a knife by virtue of them bleeding out. But it is one thing to aim to incapacitate versus kill.

Even though I have endured plenty of things I would not wish on anyone else, I still wouldn't take the idea of ending someone else's life lightly in defending myself. Honestly I don't want to get to the point where it would be easy to kill someone even in self defense. I know for me personally if I were to cross that threshold it would change me on a fundamental level. I have enough violent/angry tendencies to deal with already.

Now- you try to harm my kids and your life is OVER. I think there is some sort of overriding instinct there that is uncontrollable. So I really do pity the person on the otherside of my knives if they harm or attempt to harm my children.

I understand the desire to have a gun to protect your loved ones. I know that I would never use a gun even if I had one. I don't like the noise and I don't want to shoot to kill. To a large extent the reason why we DON'T have a gun is precisely because it would be so easy for my husband to use one. I think his deployments are just too recent for him to be comfortable with guns for now. Maybe in a few years we will get a gun. I don't have any problems with having a gun. If we were to get a gun I would make sure I know how to use it even if I never intend to use it. But for now the arsenal of knives and such are plenty. I would like to get a crossbow next It is too bad you can't hunt in our state using a crossbow, throwing knives or a spear, that would be AWESOME. Crossbows are idiot proof. And nothing says leave me alone like an arrow going straight thru your body! LOL

I understand the desire to have a gun to protect your loved ones. I know that I would never use a gun even if I had one. I don't like the noise and I don't want to shoot to kill. To a large extent the reason why we DON'T have a gun is precisely because it would be so easy for my husband to use one. I think his deployments are just too recent for him to be comfortable with guns for now. Maybe in a few years we will get a gun. I don't have any problems with having a gun. If we were to get a gun I would make sure I know how to use it even if I never intend to use it. But for now the arsenal of knives and such are plenty. I would like to get a crossbow next It is too bad you can't hunt in our state using a crossbow, throwing knives or a spear, that would be AWESOME. Crossbows are idiot proof. And nothing says leave me alone like an arrow going straight thru your body! LOL

Out of your two posts there is a lot of wisdom to be found. In fact, there is only one point where I categorically disagree with you. A crossbow is NOT idiot-proof. I would offer proof...but it would be too humiliating.

I understand the desire to have a gun to protect your loved ones. I know that I would never use a gun even if I had one. I don't like the noise and I don't want to shoot to kill. To a large extent the reason why we DON'T have a gun is precisely because it would be so easy for my husband to use one. I think his deployments are just too recent for him to be comfortable with guns for now. Maybe in a few years we will get a gun. I don't have any problems with having a gun. If we were to get a gun I would make sure I know how to use it even if I never intend to use it. But for now the arsenal of knives and such are plenty. I would like to get a crossbow next It is too bad you can't hunt in our state using a crossbow, throwing knives or a spear, that would be AWESOME. Crossbows are idiot proof. And nothing says leave me alone like an arrow going straight thru your body! LOL

Out of your two posts there is a lot of wisdom to be found. In fact, there is only one point where I categorically disagree with you. A crossbow is NOT idiot-proof. I would offer proof...but it would be too humiliating.

BTW, where do you buy replacement crossbow strings?

Cabelas sells replacement strings I would love to hear the story behind your proof that crossbows aren't idiot proof!

I understand the desire to have a gun to protect your loved ones. I know that I would never use a gun even if I had one. I don't like the noise and I don't want to shoot to kill. To a large extent the reason why we DON'T have a gun is precisely because it would be so easy for my husband to use one. I think his deployments are just too recent for him to be comfortable with guns for now. Maybe in a few years we will get a gun. I don't have any problems with having a gun. If we were to get a gun I would make sure I know how to use it even if I never intend to use it. But for now the arsenal of knives and such are plenty. I would like to get a crossbow next It is too bad you can't hunt in our state using a crossbow, throwing knives or a spear, that would be AWESOME. Crossbows are idiot proof. And nothing says leave me alone like an arrow going straight thru your body! LOL

Out of your two posts there is a lot of wisdom to be found. In fact, there is only one point where I categorically disagree with you. A crossbow is NOT idiot-proof. I would offer proof...but it would be too humiliating.

BTW, where do you buy replacement crossbow strings?

Cabelas sells replacement strings I would love to hear the story behind your proof that crossbows aren't idiot proof!

"Ok, now that I have it drawn it's usually not best to dry fire these things. Supposedly it can snap the string. Oh well, never has before..." [ffwwthungtsk]