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Jaggedfrost 4 years ago

If you will allow, I beleive that the ape knows things that are kept from us on purpose but still can be found. Knowing as I do, the method won't satisfy those who will not be satisfied except by the tangible.

IsadorasThought 4 years ago

As for the "ps" - Hmmm, no. You'll find equal numbers of each among both. Different in different cultures but would end up even.

As for the main point - Hmmm, hmmm... Well, OK. Yes, of course, I do. If I did not want to know, I would not be spending every breathing minute looking. But that, again, is my point. I (we, us, etc) am broken because I have been taught there is something to look for.

Reason, having "brains" is what made me look in the first place. The brains of ape (in the case of your poem) however, are un-broken (pure?) as they don't know to look. And that is what I long to, and that is what I believe (at this moment) to be right.

You know very well I am not giving definite answers to questions of life here - it's just thinking, dancing with the words and the thoughts, those of reason.

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Jaggedfrost 4 years ago

Hehe, Isadora, I knew it would tempt you to comment,

I have not, my dear

spoken but to reply

my own vision is not for here

I allow much

but cannot deny

that I must also differ

in what is confirmable

what is capable to see

what is possible to hear

yet to prove it wouldn't serve

would rob of the chance to grow

but there is a reason

why my words oft bring solace to you

for I know what you think you cant

but secretly you want to know

understanding the vibe

my words bring

you know that I know.

P.S. I don't hold men as much better just a different vice supreme. Men are more apt to pride which is a reflection on how they hold their self image and impose it on others. Women to vanity and how they create an image that entices others to see what a women wants you to see. these are not hard and fast but seem to me to bear statistical weight.

IsadorasThought 4 years ago

It is the point of view on "the supreme" that we share different opinions on. And we all can have our opinions, without true confirmations. Which, kinda was my original point. Why bother trying to figure it out if we can just live instead?

"but to say that the ape had it right

seems to declare

that we should exist to appreciate

and not meddle with the seemingly perfect"

- Yup, that is exactly what I was "declaring" :)

"Especially women" - oh cmon, Master JF, cmon...

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Jaggedfrost 4 years ago

SilentReed- I feel your despair

I only wish I could acquiesce to it

my hope is in myself

as yours can be in you

extinction happens

when all men give up

I cannot fault how you see it

in so doing

I would make myself a hypocrite

yet even so and not withstanding

having cause as we do

I must hold

that in one heart

exists enough to change their reality and maintain it

keeping chaos at a distance

the more that will hold

seeking the better part

and if such will come together

resisting being spread

then that world will grow

until the shadows flee.

No Zionist twattle this

peace doesn't require conformity

only understanding

and mutually willed

stretching for the sublime.

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Jaggedfrost 4 years ago

IsadorasThought- much as I care and respect your opinion I must differ.

the Supreme, to be so,

must not be vain

as vanity of its own is a flaw

that causes men and especially women

to set at each other's throat

you might say,

"what of that?"

but to say that the ape had it right

seems to declare

that we should exist to appreciate

and not meddle with the seemingly perfect.

If the supreme,

(call he or she what you may)

desired but to have his or her work admired

then vanity belongs as their purpose

this fault most present in human kind

is without doubt not supreme or sublime

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Jaggedfrost 4 years ago

Mhatter99- You are very welcome and your presence and appreciated are treasured by this one.

SilentReed 4 years agofrom Philippines

At the core of the unseen

Divine will beyond mortal's grasp

Sublime consciousness

a nutty concept, rejected by most

in a world of material existence

Science and technology, seek

not understanding but conquest of nature

"We are gods" say the foolish,

the blind leads the blind

morality? not nature's but man-made,

tailored for our extinction

IsadorasThought 4 years ago

"where reason separates us/from ape"

Without that reason, we would not try to find the wind by the things it blows but would be experiencing the wind itself.