You guys have this tendency to overanalyze ... on a live broadcast that they have to spend 2 hours constantly talking they often say what comes to mind. And 99.9% of the time there is no sinister motive to whatever they say, they are just expressing thoughts without the benefit of time to fully process them.

And don't make me bring up the Spanish broadcasts and how "impartial' they are, or how "respectful" they are of making sure they don't portray drivers in a negative light. Next to them DC and Brundle are PC automatons

So when both DC and MB said along the lines of Lewis being annoyed inside his helmet, its the wrong thing to say because in reality they don't know. Pundits and commentators make judgements/statements about this sort of thing all the time and Brundle is quite gushing about Alonso most of the time. It fills the gaps in the commentary and if they consider every sector of fans, the coverage would go very stale. I don't agree with alot of the things he says about Lewis but I accept it at face value. Just my opinion at the end of the day and neither of us are totally right in this arguement because it is what it is. A matter of opinion.

The problem is that he did not say it while filling the gaps at commentary, but that he wrote it later. I don't mind him saying that Hamilton or Alonso are annoyed, I mind him hinting that the next time he is overtaken in Eau Rouge Alonso would think about doing a dangerous move, or that he did that on Vettel just because he did not want to be overtaken in a certain fashion.

You guys have this tendency to overanalyze ... on a live broadcast that they have to spend 2 hours constantly talking they often say what comes to mind. And 99.9% of the time there is no sinister motive to whatever they say, they are just expressing thoughts without the benefit of time to fully process them.

And don't make me bring up the Spanish broadcasts and how "impartial' they are, or how "respectful" they are of making sure they don't portray drivers in a negative light.Next to them DC and Brundle are PC automatons

No, let's talk about the Spanish broadcast. I challenge you to provide a quote by one of the Spanish commentators giving a driver a negative nickname like Brundle did with Alonso, or claiming that, say, Hamilton, "hates us" (leave that open as to whether "us" is Spain in general) like the BBC official broadcast in this video:

No, let's talk about the Spanish broadcast. I challenge you to provide a quote by one of the Spanish commentators giving a driver a negative nickname like Brundle did with Alonso, or claiming that, say, Hamilton, "hates us" (leave that open as to whether "us" is Spain in general) like the BBC official broadcast in this video:

Please provide a link where we can all see Gonzalo Serrano saying anything of the type of the two examples I have provided, to justify your "case closed" comment. Or are you "closing" without evidence?

Gonzalo Serrano was an idiot, but the worst he ever did was to dismiss the driving abilities of other drivers while drooling over Alonso. Plus, he has not been a member of the Spanish broadcasting team since when, 2008? Aren't Jordan and Brundle still part of the BBC team?

Edit: I understand that there is another thread to discuss F1 coverage in different countries, and that if we want to go deeper into this discussion we should probably move over there. However, I would ask the mods to leave these first few posts here, because I think that showing the type of coverage that Alonso receives by certain media/journalists is relevant to many of the discussions we have in this thread.

Please provide a link where we can all see Gonzalo Serrano saying anything of the type of the two examples I have provided, to justify your "case closed" comment. Or are you "closing" without evidence?

Gonzalo Serrano was an idiot, but the worst he ever did was to dismiss the driving abilities of other drivers while drooling over Alonso. Plus, he has not been a member of the Spanish broadcasting team since when, 2008? Aren't Jordan and Brundle still part of the BBC team?

google his commentary over Hamilton's crash in China in 2007. Or pretty much any of his commentary in 2008 about the evil Ron Dennis and the evil McLaren. Him and Lobatto were having a field day all year.

google his commentary over Hamilton's crash in China in 2007. Or pretty much any of his commentary in 2008 about the evil Ron Dennis and the evil McLaren. Him and Lobatto were having a field day all year.

China 2007, this is what he says: "se ha enganchado, se ha enganchado" ("it is stuck, it is stuck", referring to Hamilton's car). "That is the miracle we were hoping for", in reference to their previous comment that Alonso could not recover the distance to his teammate unless a miracle happened. How does that compare to the "Alonso hates us" by Jordan?

May I remind you that Pedro de la Rosa was part of that broadcasting team, and if only because of that they would have never let Serrano say anything as improper as what was said in the video link I provided?

Again, specific examples of comments about Dennis and Mclaren, rather than generic statements, would be welcome.

Well, what do they say? "Nobody wins the my-commentator-is-better-than-yours war. We're are all screwed!"

Or soemthing like that. Though I claim more pain than anyone when next year I have to watch german RTL again for at least ten races.

;)

That is very true, as65p, but I am a bit fed up with this "common knowledge" that La Sexta is far worse than the BBC when it comes to bias, that nobody seems to dispute. Well, I have provided a video link that is quite telling: hopefully people can now judge by themselves.

China 2007, this is what he says: "se ha enganchado, se ha enganchado" ("it is stuck, it is stuck", referring to Hamilton's car). "That is the miracle we were hoping for", in reference to their previous comment that Alonso could not recover the distance to his teammate unless a miracle happened. How does that compare to the "Alonso hates us" by Jordan?

May I remind you that Pedro de la Rosa was part of that broadcasting team, and if only because of that they would have never let Serrano say anything as improper as what was said in the video link I provided?

Again, specific examples of comments about Dennis and Mclaren, rather than generic statements, would be welcome.

So you want to argue that a couple of professional commentators calling a driver crashing out of the race "a miracle" is somehow better and less prejudicial than a pundit saying he thinks Alonso hates Hamilton/McLaren?

Wonder how you 'd react if Alonso crashed out of a race and Coulthard and Brundle all cheered and called it a miracle.

So you want to argue that a couple of professional commentators calling a driver crashing out of the race "a miracle" is somehow better and less prejudicial than a pundit saying he thinks Alonso hates Hamilton/McLaren?

Wonder how you 'd react if Alonso crashed out of a race and Coulthard and Brundle all cheered and called it a miracle.

"crashing" out?

Aren't we a wee bit melodramatic here? You make it sound as if Hamilton was in danger of getting hurt.

Aren't we a wee bit melodramatic here? You make it sound as if Hamilton was in danger of getting hurt.

not my intention. I meant it literally, as in here's a guy poof gone from the race lets break out the champagne and celebrate the miracle. Say Brundle and Coulthard did that when Alonso retired, you 'd think it ok?

That guy is arguing that EJ, who's basically paid to be controversial, is proof of BBC bias against Alonso cause he said he thinks Alonso hates McL/Ham.

not my intention. I meant it literally, as in here's a guy poof gone from the race lets break out the champagne and celebrate the miracle. Say Brundle and Coulthard did that when Alonso retired, you 'd think it ok?

That guy is arguing that EJ, who's basically paid to be controversial, is proof of BBC bias against Alonso cause he said he thinks Alonso hates McL/Ham.

Well, I agree insofar as that paying attention to anything EJ says is a major mistake!

TBH, I guess I'm not that sensitive as some here, I don't see the big fuss over either commentary.

I think the commentators on television are not very reliable. Not in my country either - I think our main commentator makes a lot of mistakes and clearly "pulls home". The only really reliable guys there have been the ex-F1 drivers Järvilehto, Salo, and Keke of course as the biggest star with the best comments and with the best insight into the business side of F1. The television channel company calls some others "F1 experts" too but I laugh at that and regularly make fun of that. I can't see how someone becomes an F1 expert just by being a spectator at the races and often talking erroneously about what he is seeing. I think it's like this in any country.

not my intention. I meant it literally, as in here's a guy poof gone from the race lets break out the champagne and celebrate the miracle. Say Brundle and Coulthard did that when Alonso retired, you 'd think it ok?

That guy is arguing that EJ, who's basically paid to be controversial, is proof of BBC bias against Alonso cause he said he thinks Alonso hates McL/Ham.

No; I am saying that he is in the official broadcast by the BBC, which by the way is a state-owned TV channel if I am not mistaken, saying that Alonso "hates us" ("us" as in "us British"?), Hamilton and McLaren. That is unacceptable, and a qualitative step from cheering because one of your drivers's competitors has put itself out of contention in a non-dangerous way and said driver is back in the WDC fight.

And if the BBC pays somebody to be controversial or biased, then their broadcast is controversial or biased. Or are they not to be responsible for what their employees do?

No; I am saying that he is in the official broadcast by the BBC, which by the way is a state-owned TV channel if I am not mistaken, saying that Alonso "hates us" ("us" as in "us British"?), Hamilton and McLaren. That is unacceptable, and a qualitative step from cheering because one of your drivers's competitors has put itself out of contention in a non-dangerous way and said driver is back in the WDC fight.

And if the BBC pays somebody to be controversial or biased, then their broadcast is controversial or biased. Or are they not to be responsible for what their employees do?

Edit: grammar

OK so saying Driver A hates Driver B and Team C is biasedCheering When Driver D goes out of the race and Driver E benefits isn't

I think I got the gist of it.

And controversy is literally the different view. Spice.It's what makes a broadcast balanced. Both Lobatto and Gonzalo Serrano were by default controvensial since they openly supported Alonso and relied on PDLR and Gene for some balanced commentary. And even PDLR is literally scared to cheer for his employer when they have a good race and Alonso has a bad one.In La Sexta's case the broadcast is centered on Alonso. The BBC covers everybody and doesn't openly support somebody. But I am sure you can't understand the difference, or the smack you in the face obvious difference in mangitude of bias. You basically say it's ok for Spanish broadcasters to openly support Alonso and cheer his opponents failures/mistakes but .. other broadcasters have to be sure to respect Alonso's feelings. It just doesn't make any sense.

PS what was La Sexta saying in Valencia 2010 (honest question, I haven't seen their broadcast)?

No, let's talk about the Spanish broadcast. I challenge you to provide a quote by one of the Spanish commentators giving a driver a negative nickname like Brundle did with Alonso, or claiming that, say, Hamilton, "hates us" (leave that open as to whether "us" is Spain in general) like the BBC official broadcast in this video:

OK so saying Driver A hates Driver B and Team C is biasedCheering When Driver D goes out of the race and Driver E benefits isn't

I think I got the gist of it.

And controversy is literally the different view. Spice.It's what makes a broadcast balanced. Both Lobatto and Gonzalo Serrano were by default controvensial since they openly supported Alonso and relied on PDLR and Gene for some balanced commentary. And even PDLR is literally scared to cheer for his employer when they have a good race and Alonso has a bad one.In La Sexta's case the broadcast is centered on Alonso. The BBC covers everybody and doesn't openly support somebody. But I am sure you can't understand the difference, or the smack you in the face obvious difference in mangitude of bias. You basically say it's ok for Spanish broadcasters to openly support Alonso and cheer his opponents failures/mistakes but .. other broadcasters have to be sure to respect Alonso's feelings. It just doesn't make any sense.

PS what was La Sexta saying in Valencia 2010 (honest question, I haven't seen their broadcast)?

I mind him hinting that the next time he is overtaken in Eau Rouge Alonso would think about doing a dangerous move, or that he did that on Vettel just because he did not want to be overtaken in a certain fashion.

Its all down to personal opinion. I don't mind him making a suggestion to what Alonso is thinking just like I don't mind him making a suggestion to what Hamilton is thinking when he says he is annoyed. At the end of the day he doesn't know and is voicing from his viewpoint.

Woow, what a great race by Fernando.
Although i have to say, that one has to be a racing purist to understand the beauty of his race.
It is not easy to give a man more credit than the guys who beated him, in that race button and vettel, but if one is a racing purist, one hast to love it.

some will mabye argue he lost 1st or 2nd position but i think that he won third, which was very odd at this weekend.

f*** is very lame right now, but how on gods earth is alonso achieving to be 2nd in championship right now. great.

Anyone with italian knowledge can translate this?, is from an interview with Montezemolo today.

My traduction with google help:

Monza: Are you satisfied with Alonso's third place?"We went very well, Alonso has ignited the public with a masterful start, but our real position was that."

However, Alonso has the Ferrari..."He is an extraordinary driver, very strong also off track. But on sunday, Massa also had a beatiful race. Fernando, like Schumacher, is able to keep a pace of qualifying. And like Michael and Lauda, he is attentive to the work of the team and collaborates with the technicians. And then it comes all the weeks in Maranello working with the simulator, drags the team with his convictions and and also knows when it's time to not to create illusions. Among other things, recently, he has even bought an Enzo Ferrari..."

Monza: Are you satisfied with Alonso's third place?"We went very well, Alonso has ignited the public with a masterful start, but our real position was that."

However, Alonso has the Ferrari..."He is an extraordinary driver, very strong also off track. But on sunday, Massa also had a beatiful race. Fernando, like Schumacher, is able to keep a pace of qualifying. And like Michael and Lauda, he is attentive to the work of the team and collaborates with the technicians. And then it comes all the weeks in Maranello working with the simulator, drags the team with his convictions and and also knows when it's time to not to create illusions. Among other things, recently, he has even bought an Enzo Ferrari..."

Thanks for the translation, I wonder how much cost an Enzo Ferrari for someone like Alonso (or Felipe)?, 10% discount?

Remember guys, tomorrow is the video chat with Fernando in Ferrari.com, go there and register to watch it, is free.

No; I am saying that he is in the official broadcast by the BBC, which by the way is a state-owned TV channel if I am not mistaken, saying that Alonso "hates us" ("us" as in "us British"?), Hamilton and McLaren. That is unacceptable, and a qualitative step from cheering because one of your drivers's competitors has put itself out of contention in a non-dangerous way and said driver is back in the WDC fight.

And if the BBC pays somebody to be controversial or biased, then their broadcast is controversial or biased. Or are they not to be responsible for what their employees do?

Well, LDM has access to driving telemetry for MSC, Raikkonen, Massa, and Alonso. So maybe he is basing his comment on facts and on driver data comparisons.

Ii don't think that LDM can make an expert judgement all on his own on those data ;)

Apart from that, I don't think his opinion is based on telemetry. And if he did it just on the basis of telemetry he would be very stupid. Being fast or just driving very, very well is not enough to be called "the best driver". There's more to that.

Ii don't think that LDM can make an expert judgement all on his own on those data ;)

Apart from that, I don't think his opinion is based on telemetry. And if he did it just on the basis of telemetry he would be very stupid. Being fast or just driving very, very well is not enough to be called "the best driver". There's more to that.