Rogue Setup Data Base

I'm setting up this new thread for the Rogue owners and I borrowed the setup format from Trail Advent's data base threads. Once owners have posted here I will ask our moderator, Trevor!, to make this a link that can be accessed within the "Es Setup, Data Base, FAQ" sticky thread.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Rogue setup data base (All Mountain, 6-7-8 inch rear travel)

Also "no flames please" you can do that on other posts or create a new one if you need to vent, this is an information data base to assist not to attack or hinder, so hopefully we will get some great info.

Use the link creator to your pics if posted elswhere on the E board helps speed things up

I predict that Deus crank set on Septentrion's bike is not going to last long.

Because of the product quality or because of it's intended use?

I've been running XC cranks for a long time (XT, RF Next LP, FSA carbon). I've subjected them to freeride conditions normally reserved for beefier cranks and I've never bent or broken an arm and the bearings last as long as they should (knock on wood). I've toned down the freeriding this season (crashing hurts), and feel more than comfortable on carbon cranks, even though I'm still riding rough trails and doing some light freeride.

I think the abuse given to a crank set is largely depended on riding style. If you are riding tech trails/DH and some light freeride, and don't ride like a goon, light cranks (especially with the larger external bearings) do just fine.

I've been running XC cranks for a long time (XT, RF Next LP, FSA carbon). I've subjected them to freeride conditions normally reserved for beefier cranks and I've never bent or broken an arm and the bearings last as long as they should (knock on wood). I've toned down the freeriding this season (crashing hurts), and feel more than comfortable on carbon cranks, even though I'm still riding rough trails and doing some light freeride.

I think the abuse given to a crank set is largely depended on riding style. If you are riding tech trails/DH and some light freeride, and don't ride like a goon, light cranks (especially with the larger external bearings) do just fine.

I destroyed a set of Deus cranks in less than a season on my Id. And I ride like an old crippled geezer--maybe because I am one.

I'm now on the next beefier Race Face cranks and they're holding up fine. Race Face says the Deus is for XC racing only.

Hi,
I'm back from a week in les 2 Alpes France and so far my Deus is Ok.
I just destroyed the DT 5.1 rims too light and replaced them by 729 Mavic far better.
I'll also replace the 36 Van by a RS Totem ASAP in order to raise the BB a bit cause I hurt the ground with pedals too often and I can say know that a 170-180mm fork is much more appropriate to the Rogue as it is mentionned on Ells site. The BB height with a 36 is 335mm wich is definitely too low.

What size shock/travel mode are you running? The Ells website is claiming a 13.9" (or 350mm) BB height in 7" mode and a 7" fork, and a 14.75" (375mm) height in 8" mode w/ 8" fork. I thought I remember reading that you are running in 8" mode, so I would expect your BB height to be plenty high, even with the 36.

I'm curious because I am entertaining the idea of building a Rogue next year with a lightweight build similar to yours to up the ante from my Moment. I was planning on doing it with a Cane Creek Double Barrel since they make a size that can give the 8" mode geometry, but have the 7" of actual travel. I wanted to do that because I want the shorter travel but I don't want the BB to drop too far with the smaller shock. I also have a Fox 36, so I'm interested in your experiences with your set up. Thanks!

Hi, I have a DHX 5, 8.75 x 2.80, (the same as LiorDrZ)
The Van is more a 6.3" (160mm) fork, indeed with a 7" you should reach 350mm in BB height. , maybe LiorDrz could help and give us its BB height with a 66.

Someone called me?? very long time since I've been here...
My BB height with the zucchi 66 is 355mm

Wow! I am shocked and amazed at how low the BB's are. I never realized how much of a factor the fork height is in BB height.

I'm getting pretty stoked on a Rogue frame w/ a Double Barrel (8.75"x2.5") for the ideal geometry and travel. I'll probably just move all of my Moment parts over, and end up with a 33lb build. I rode the Rogue w/ a 36 at interbike last fall, and hoping to again next month. It felt really good then, but I'll have a better comparison after riding my Moment for a season. The test ride will be the ultimate deciding factor.

Ahhh, these damn machines. How come I just can't be happy with what I have? Always gotta have more

Here it is....

Rogue question

What size is the rear wheel spacing on a Rogue. I think I read somewhere that it was 135mm with a 12 mm thruaxle. Is this correct? Would I be able to use my Mavic Deemax wheels? My Deemax currently has a QR rear, but can be switched for a bold-on rear. Thanks.

What size is the rear wheel spacing on a Rogue. I think I read somewhere that it was 135mm with a 12 mm thruaxle. Is this correct? Would I be able to use my Mavic Deemax wheels? My Deemax currently has a QR rear, but can be switched for a bold-on rear. Thanks.

That´s right, the 200 mms version uses a 135 x 12 hub,

"Win gives you glory, continue to your last breath gives yo pride, surrender is not an option"
"Like a beast freed from its chains, I pedal like If I had to scape from hell. As sweat falls from my face, my phantoms, my fears, are left behind until they are points at the horizon."

New wheels

I got my new wheelset for the Rogue to replace the Azonic Outlaws. The new wheels are Hadley 36 hole hubs laced to Mavic 823 rims with straight gauge spokes. They are beefy. I think they actually weigh more than the Azonics. The bike is 38.5 lbs currently with single ply 2.3 Minion DHF/DHR tires. If I go to 2.5 DH tires, it'll probably be pushing 40 lbs. I'll try to get some new pics with the wheels mounted.

I got my rogue last year. Building it up again with a lighter build this year (post soon to follow).
The 12mm axle that came with the bike is quite heavy. Do any of you know of a lighter axle that can be used. When I first saw the bolt I was quite disappointed, it definately doesn't follow the quality of the rest bike.

I got my rogue last year. Building it up again with a lighter build this year (post soon to follow).
The 12mm axle that came with the bike is quite heavy. Do any of you know of a lighter axle that can be used. When I first saw the bolt I was quite disappointed, it definately doesn't follow the quality of the rest bike.

Alex

what about a titanium axle?

"Win gives you glory, continue to your last breath gives yo pride, surrender is not an option"
"Like a beast freed from its chains, I pedal like If I had to scape from hell. As sweat falls from my face, my phantoms, my fears, are left behind until they are points at the horizon."

Does the 8" setting with a fork like a 66 (555mm A-C length) or a Totem really have a 14" (355mm) BB? Ellsworth says it's 14.75" with a Fox 40 (570mm). I climb large rock ledges all day long to get to a descent.

Ellsworth has always built fairly high BB bikes. My ID is 395mm, 15.5". I'm surprised to hear they are trending the other way with the Rogue. Also, I'm a little surprised to hear you're still running 2.35" tires on an 8" travel bike. Myself and friends all run 2.5-2.7 tires on bikes like this.

Hi,
I'm running 2.35 because I live in the North of france, and we need traction to join our FR/DH spots here. Unfortunatly I'm only 2 weeks a year in the Alps !
Anyway my next ones will be the 2.50 Nevegal.

Will check

My Rogue is in the bike shop currently getting some brake work done. But, I should have it back today or tomorrow. I'll check the BB height. I'm running 2.35 tires now, but I'm pretty sure you can go plenty big, if you want. The bike is awesome.

I checked on my Rogue. The bottom bracket is about 14 3/8". I'm currently running 2.35 tires, but there looks like there is plenty of room to run at least 2.6 or 2.7 rubber. Maybe even 3.0. I hope that helps.

Thanks for the detailed info. Looks like the new 66 raises things a bit. I like that. The bike looks awesome. I love my Hadley hubs, but red sure looks good. 38.5 lbs isn't bad, but I'd like to build it to about 35 for more trail riding. I wonder what it would take while keeping the BB about the same.

Looks like I'll have a little more time to think on this. I need to sell my motorcycle first.

I'm after a Rogue at the moment for when I go out for some more aggressive riding than my 5-Spot can handle and for use in the French Alp's once a year for technical single track and the odd DH course. I'm over in the UK so a light, fairly compact rig is what I'm after - we don't have the pleasure of uplifts so any ride has to pedal well on the up's :-(

I'm STILL trying to decide which size of frame to buy. I'm 6ft tall and weigh 180lb's but like a bike to feel a little 'upright' rather than stretched out and also like a bike to be as 'agile' as possible. I currently ride a medium sized SC Bullit for aggressive trails but this is just a tad too short in the top tube (22.5") and the BB height feels a little tall also. I like low BB's to rip the turns and feel stable on the trials.

I'm leaning towards the small size Rogue as the numbers from Ellsworth seem to fit what I'm after but every time I look at these forum's guy's around my height are running the large sized frames? They just look waaaaaay to long in the top tube and wheel base to me, for a 'quick handling' bike that can be thrown around, jumped etc. I'm sure they are super stable on fast downhills. What is your experience after riding the Rogue for a while?

Could you please measure your wheel base with the Marzocchi's fitted? and perhaps a measurement from the centre of the steerer tube, horizontally back to inline with the seat tube centre?

The nearest store which stocks Ellsworth frames is a long distance from me so a test ride is not an option unfortunately.

Hello,
I also prefer to be a little more upright in the saddle, rather than stretched out. I'm 5'10" and I definitely do not feel stretched on the Rogue. If anything, it feels pretty upright. But, I am running a shortish (70mm) Diabolus stem and Thomson straight seatpost. From the top of the headtube / headset interface measuring horizontally to the seatpost center was 24" even (I think the Ells site says 24.5). The wheelbase with the 66 RC2X is a tad over 47" (maybe 47 1/8 in).
I love the way the bike feels. It can definitely be built up lighter, and you should be able to build a 35-36lb long travel bike. My brother (same height) has a small Rogue running at 7 in travel with a 66 on front. Another friend (approx 6ft tall) also runs a small Rogue, which he enjoys throwing around. I guess the bottom line is the type of riding you do. If you have tight single track like you mentioned, you may be more comfortable with the small size's shorter wheelbase. But, I don't think you will feel strecthed out on either. If you get the small, you may even want a lay-back post or post with some set-back.
I hope that helps.

Thanks buddy.
I reckon the small Ellsworth will be more suited to my needs. My large 5-spot is great for aggressive CC riding and that has an effective top tube length of approx. 24 " with a 70mm stem so the small Rogue sounds like a 'tighter' rig for throwing around ;-)

Red Doo Dads

Black on black was getting dreary, so I added some red accents - in addition to the previous red Hadley hubs. I got red brake covers from Hope, a red King headset with King spacers, and ODI red lock-on grip ends.

Black on black was getting dreary, so I added some red accents - in addition to the previous red Hadley hubs. I got red brake covers from Hope, a red King headset with King spacers, and ODI red lock-on grip ends.

You might be better off taking the King back and getting a red Hope headset instead. The Kings have a tendancy to creak and pop under the strain of long travel forks. Mine has destroyed two star nuts and one Head Doctor (it's working on it's third star nut ). A lot of folks with long travel forks like Lyriks, 66s and 36s have had to change. Since yours in new, you might be able to trade. It has to do with the spacer on the top set of bearings not fitting tight enough to withstand the forces of a long lever arm.

You realize that Hope headsets are NOT for sale in the US or Canada as they violate patent laws in the Americas. Hope explicitly states they are not for sale outside the UK. I know you can get them if you try, but no Hope dealer can or will give you parts. Unless they want a huge lawsuit.

I have never had a problem with Raceface, other than replacing the bearings, and the Chris King I have now is awesome. I will never get another. I do have Hope M6 brakes, have used their hubs many times and feel they are the best for the money, but on the headsets you are asking for a headache.

Their ring doctors are nice, but if you can show me a headset I would love to see it given it is illegal here.

You realize that Hope headsets are NOT for sale in the US or Canada as they violate patent laws in the Americas. Hope explicitly states they are not for sale outside the UK. I know you can get them if you try, but no Hope dealer can or will give you parts. Unless they want a huge lawsuit.

I have never had a problem with Raceface, other than replacing the bearings, and the Chris King I have now is awesome. I will never get another. I do have Hope M6 brakes, have used their hubs many times and feel they are the best for the money, but on the headsets you are asking for a headache.

Their ring doctors are nice, but if you can show me a headset I would love to see it given it is illegal here.

Not true...this issue has been resolved. My LBS has them in stock. I'm not sure about Canada however; they may not be avail. there.

Contact Larry at http://mtnhighcyclery.com if you're intrested in one.. They look really sweet and they come with a Head Doctor supplied to replace the starnut.