I read on threads here Lieberman is one of Obama’s favorite Dems; funny I never here Obama mention his name. I hear the Clintons and McCain mention him with equal and startling frequency.

I’m wondering who can paint Blue States Red faster? McCain or Clinton? I suspect Clinton can convert Blue States to Red in record time and bring out a record number of Republicans to the polls. One compelling reason to get her out.

Raisethebar@44; you bet your ass he’s the only one. They’d rather have a root-canal with a pair of visegrips than talk about the clusterfuck. Which is precisely why we so badly need someone who is willing and able to hang it around their necks.

and also, the press hates Mitt and if Hillary gets the nom, it levels the playing field.

If Hillary were to get the nom, it would paint blue states red at warp speed, and bring out more Republican voters in exponential numbers, and very probably lose the White House if not a number of Congressional or Senate seats.

You’re at rock bottom now with the Senate and House; if you don’t think so stay tuned as S. 2248 twists and turns with immunity as the end product, and none of the other significant issues addressed.

wackaloon I haven’t heard or seen in print for ages. I should make that a staple of my vocabulary.

Missed the debate. lemme guess. Rudy’s gonna give us the largest tax cut in American history, continue to pay for a war and create a catastrophe fund for people who buy beachfront property in FL and know exactly what risks they’re taking, Sounds like the party of fiscal responsibility and personal responsibility to me, no?

OldCoastie@10: at least, our fighting is honest. Team-troll is made up of a bunch of opportunistic jerks trying to defend george bush’s monumental fuckups as the acts of a statesman. How could it not be the world mendacity convention?

But trust me; that is going to change in a few short months. By midsummer the bushCo boys choir is going to morph into a bunch of cloned Brutus’s, all clawing and jockeying for the chance to get in a VERY PUBLIC stab at C+ Caesar on the steps of the U.S. Capitol. :o)

Again, I missed it. Pandering to the Cubans is to be expected. But we central Floridians want to be pandered to as well. Did any of them say he was going to spend zillions to go to Mars?? (More fiscal responsibility). Or do they just say that when they’re around here?

Billy Jack: You know what I think I’m gonna do then? Just for the hell of it?
Mr. Posner: Tell me.
Billy Jack: I’m gonna take this right foot, and I’m gonna whop you on that side of your face…
[points to Posner’s right cheek]
Billy Jack: …and you wanna know something? There’s not a damn thing you’re gonna be able to do about it.

Marcy’s gonna be on about FISA later? Great! I was thinking… since I was into FISA last, we’ve had holidays and caucuses and primamries and I forgot alot of stuff. I need a basic (i.e. stuipid) question answered.

OMG…Tweety just tricked Huckster into a question about Abdullah (Saudi Arabia)…would he have allowed WMD’s into his country?..Huckster said, he would never have allowed that into Jordan!!! OMFG. I want the Youtube…..

I think my favorite moment is when Huck asked Mitt about gun control laws. Two dog lovers discussing their hunting rifles and making sure their babies are safe (that’s my bow to the guntoting crazee on the dem youtube debate).

They must be picking who St. Ronnie is going to be after Stimulus/FISA/Davos but before the full recession and any new wars – hope we get to summer at it remains a bad season to introduce a new product.

Me too. And I’ve heard a couple people say how the “best and brightest” are serving in this war. Look, everybody respects these people. But wasn’t there a story the other day that the % of recruits with h.s. diplomas is down. Sorry, these people have guts and they’re dedicated. But best and brightest they’re not.

The Boston Globe had a little snippet earlier this evening that Huckabee is going to run the Boston Marathon for charity. If he’s still in the Presidential race on the third Monday in April, I’m thinking that surely someone can get a “Jimmy Carter running in agony” type picture to help Huck on his way to oblivion.

I think after tonite it’s a two-man race, Mitt vs. McCain. I think Hucky kinda overplayed the humor thing by being a little too good at it-he’s now the official comic relief. Giuliani sounds despreate but resigned. Ron Paul, of course, is the banshee screaming.

Oh yeah. On the thing that was giving Jane trouble in her post, I vote full of shit. They’re irrelevant too. Bit full of shit more so. See, it’s cause an effect, maybe. Being so full of shit makes them irrelevant.

Didn’t he also say that WMD’s were sort of like not findin’ all the Easter Eggs? Ahem! We didn’t find a single one of those “Easter Eggs”…Bush even looked in his office for them. But they exist, to this moment in Huckabees MIND!

Jane, good thread. And you’re spot-on. It’s appalling that these fucking ciphers are running, and that most of them are still defending bush’s wretched war.

But, my 2c, I give no one any slack on Hillary. Just because the republican candidates are willing to try to be bush and the GOP’s Alpine Redoubt, as their shithead-construct collapses around their heads, is not a reason to slide ANY of the democrats for THEIR funking the job of going after these people.

And, I insist, Hillary Clinton has funked the job the worst, by a mile. Digby, as you know, has shut down her comments, because the debate about our nominee was getting heated. That was disappointing. Some of us were putting up factual links about Clinton’s track record, which has been done on here, also, and the fur has flown some here, too, and I think that’s perfectly appropriate.

We NEED to talk about thing like Clinton’s speech a few weeks ago, where she accused Obama of being “too far to the left”, because years ago, he’d been against the death penalty, and because (she said) he was for “socialized medicine”.

These are two bedrock republican talking points and for her to parrot them, as she’s still haring after conservative votes that have never been there for her, and never will be, is only the most recent indication of her lack of political integrity, and of her abundance of political stupidity.

Evidently neither she, nor anyone on her staff, are “savvy” enough to know that progressives can find out about this, nor that we will file it, along with her support for AIPAC, and for Kyle-Lieberman, and for Lieberman, himself, and for bush’s war (until the mid-term polls enlightened her), and talk about it in the debate about which candidate will give us the best chance to take advantage of the republican’s miserable turn at the wheel.

So. By all means, let’s laugh at the obscene rolling clown act that is the republican nomination contest, but while we’re doing it, we need to remember that ours is still up for grabs, and one of the grabbers thinks that lending herself and the dignity of her office, to FoxNews’ 10th anniversary birthday bash, and taking money from Rupert Murdoch, and supporting legislation to make flagburning a federal crime, is just the thing to do.

Because the repubs are awful, does not mean that we should avoid hard and fast discussion of our candidates, nor that we should give them a pass on the things they’ve done in the past that may have contributed to the miserable situation that we’re now in.