libertarians simply believe the government must also abide by the rules. if someone is attacking me unlawfully, and i shoot him/her, there's nothing legally or ethically wrong with that, even if that person is a government official.

libertarians simply believe the government must also abide by the rules. if someone is attacking me unlawfully, and i shoot him/her, there's nothing legally or ethically wrong with that, even if that person is a government official.

Herecy! The State is God Allmighty and Reigns Supreme. Party officials are demigods. They don't even die, they just move on to next level.
Like Pharaohs.

No, it's Australia, and the article is pretty much devoid of facts. Even if did have facts, they'd be anecdotal, because one must analyze a large and diverse population of states to know what the effects of disarming the populace are (and all attempts to do so have failed to prove anything, which says a lot given that so-called progressives are pretty good at massaging statistics to show what they want).

Australians over-reacted to an emotional situation. They need guns just as much as Americans. They've got similar wide-open spaces with low population density, wild animals, etc. Moreover, their grand-children are really going to wish their grandparents hadn't got rid of all the firearms, when the People's Liberation Army arrives to Liberate them for the good of the whole (the whole back on the Mainland, that is)._________________Deja Moo: the feeling that you've heard this bull before

I think I can tell the difference between Austria and Australia thank you very much.

You should watch the f*ng video before you go spouting nonsense. There's a nice, juicy fact for you in there: the number of rampages dropped to zero after the gubmint started oppressing its citizens by taking some guns away.

I think I can tell the difference between Austria and Australia thank you very much.

You should watch the f*ng video before you go spouting nonsense. There's a nice, juicy fact for you in there: the number of rampages dropped to zero after the gubmint started oppressing its citizens by taking some guns away.

How about that.

No they didn't; they just didn't involve firearms any more. Did the overall rate of violent crime drop? What about the rate if people successfully defending themselves from violence and crime? What happened to that? And, this is just a data point; what about all the other countries? The countries with the highest homicide rates in the world have strict gun control. There is no correlation between guns and anything, except guns. This artificial focus on firearms isn't rational, if what you're actually interested in is people's well-being. It's just authoritarian bullshit. Also, Australians may pay a high price for their defenslessness in the future._________________Deja Moo: the feeling that you've heard this bull before

I think I can tell the difference between Austria and Australia thank you very much.

You should watch the f*ng video before you go spouting nonsense. There's a nice, juicy fact for you in there: the number of rampages dropped to zero after the gubmint started oppressing its citizens by taking some guns away.

How about that.

Got some serious news for you. The United States is neither Austria or Australia.

Totally different situations._________________Irony is asking government to fix the problems it caused

Guns are humane, as suicide goes. Is it better if somebody hangs themselves? Are suicide rates lower in countries with strict gun control? No. This is just another example of that same, absurdly retarded, "Take away all the black shoes and look -- no more black shoe tripping deaths!", rationale. It's not like guns cause people to commit suicide.

The level of moronic stuff that willing propaganda victims will allow into their brains never ceases to astonish me._________________Deja Moo: the feeling that you've heard this bull before

As someone who has done a complete 180 from liberal firearm skeptic and supporter of gun control to now being an ardent supporter of second amendment rights (and a responsible gun owner), I feel like I am uniquely qualified to speak to those individuals whose views I used to share. I’d like to believe I’m a reasonable and objective-minded person, and I want them to read a different perspective on gun control — one that arises from personal experience and research and is not filled with the hyperbole and mis-information we see all over television.

I feel like many people, including most liberal politicians, treat gun control like most conservatives treat sex education or climate change. Their views and thus the policies they support are based entirely on ideology, with only the most cursory attempts at studying the facts. They are blinded by confirmation bias, cherry picking factual evidence to support their foregone conclusion. This is why gun owners can find it hard to even come to the table to have the “gun control” conversation; they are convinced the other side made up their collective minds long ago and are NOT interested in an honest discussion. Many times, it seems their sole focus seems to be on restricting gun rights as much as possible, regardless of whether or not it will help to prevent tragedy. Unfortunately, after the spectacle in the media I’ve seen in the past few weeks, I’d have to agree.

But let’s back up for a moment.

More in TFA, an excellent read.

full of anecdotes. no stats. But, I do like the refreshing non "gubermint will take my guns" approach.