ShortTimer wrote:I mean these are your friends! And if they can't do the problem, is it wrong if I/we harass them hard for their obvious weakness? I just don't see it. In the game of climbing, especially bouldering, step up or get stepped on.

Jan ..... pick your words more carefully, I never see you "pick on anybody"... you deal a lot of BS, sandbagging in good fun, but I have watched you show n00bs how to get a pinkey lock, use an edge better, good technique tips. And when they don't remember you go. "Hay dummy remember little finger down" ...... not exactly picking on weaker folks.

ShortTimer wrote:I mean these are your friends! And if they can't do the problem, is it wrong if I/we harass them hard for their obvious weakness? I just don't see it. In the game of climbing, especially bouldering, step up or get stepped on.

To your friends, it's OK.

To strangers, you had better watch out, what you say.

Hey, I've had total strangers, who I looked up to point out my weaknesses and at the time I was taken back, but I have to say, thank you.

And making friends of partners is half the fun of being out during the day.

And when you get older, the leader MUST fall, trad, sport, on the hike in, getting out of the car at the trailhead, doesn't matter.

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I like climbing.On a sport route, you can't help me climb, so let me climb myself. I mean, while you're belaying, it's easy to watch the chicks, or the squirrels.On trad routes, the big attraction is the solitude and peace. I love it up there!

Yeah, I'll never forget when The Scrutinizer gave me those few words of key beta which encouraged me to get that hard Josh classic first try. I was past the crux but I was fried, and the words floated up from below "you're there, just stand up and reach." The next thing I knew the jug was in my hand. That just really pissed me off.

falling is a result not an action. You control your actions but not the results.

I know that is kind of a "warriors way" thought process, but I prefer to think that decisions, and the resulting actions, have consequences. Which means of course that my decision to harass someone bouldering could lead to her punching me in the nose... (not that that has ever happenned...)

ksolem wrote:I know that is kind of a "warriors way" thought process, but I prefer to think that decisions, and the resulting actions, have consequences. Which means of course that my decision to harass someone bouldering could lead to her punching me in the nose... (not that that has ever happenned...)

Oh, I know that..... as a young punk I had a tub-o-lard football player throw me across the room when I told him that he should really consider getting into shape (he may have been a tub-o-lard but he was also twice my size).... oh well, you live and learn.

The process makes sense to me, you decide if specific risks are good risks for you, since not all risks are worth taking and then you concentrate on the actions. Sometimes the right decision is to runaway as fast as you can. Then if the situation changes the process, redefine what you need to. But if the decision is that the risk is reasonable, concentrate on the process and the actions. You control them. Holds break, you may smear off something, ...... the result is what it is.