RA Dickey wins another Cy Young and the Jays win the World Series, how do the Mets win the deal? Or if D'Arnaud or Sysngergard get hurt?

Not so clear cut.

Because you're dealing with projections, not the final results. If Dickey falls down the stairs next week and is out for 2013, does that make it a "bad" deal? No. It makes the outcome bad, as it's something you couldn't project.

You're dealing with probabilities of success here, not certainties.

A World Series is a team achievement, not individual, and where did a Cy Young get the Mets this year? Fourth. Again, change was needed.

Because you're dealing with projections, not the final results. If Dickey falls down the stairs next week and is out for 2013, does that make it a "bad" deal? No. It makes the outcome bad, as it's something you couldn't project.

You're dealing with probabilities of success here, not certainties.

A World Series is a team achievement, not individual, and where did a Cy Young get the Mets this year? Fourth. Again, change was needed.

So arent you though, you are dealing with an even bigger list of probabilities and uncertainties in prospects compared to an active MLB'er who has a track record.

I just dont know how you can say the Mets won this deal when A) Its not even official yet B) You dont know the full deal and C) Prospects are even bigger risks and uncertainties than anything else in baseball.

So arent you though, you are dealing with an even bigger list of probabilities and uncertainties in prospects compared to an active MLB'er who has a track record.

I just dont know how you can say the Mets won this deal when A) Its not even official yet B) You dont know the full deal and C) Prospects are even bigger risks and uncertainties than anything else in baseball.

Ugh, really? Obviously my opinion on the deal hinges on it being official since without the deal there's nothing to give an opinion on.

I know. I'm dealing with the parts I know.

Weren't you the one who said the Mets were dumb for not trading for Olt straight up? Do you realize D'Arnaud you know, is a lot better than Olt?

Again, I was dealing with the uncertainties of any deal and when to judge them. Higher ranked prospects have a higher chance of success and Dickey's value to the Mets, while constant, eventually goes nowhere towards team success but only towards individual accomplishments, like the Cy Young.

im willing to give up 2 years of dickey for potential prospects knowing the state of the team will be no where near playoff competitive for at least 2 years.

obviously the worst case scenario for the mets is the prospects don't pan out, but to have that chance that they do beats the BEST case scenario of 20 wins a season for 2 years from dickey on a 3rd place finish in the division.

Ugh, really? Obviously my opinion on the deal hinges on it being official since without the deal there's nothing to give an opinion on.

I know. I'm dealing with the parts I know.

Weren't you the one who said the Mets were dumb for not trading for Olt straight up? Do you realize D'Arnaud you know, is a lot better than Olt?

Again, I was dealing with the uncertainties of any deal and when to judge them. Higher ranked prospects have a higher chance of success and Dickey's value to the Mets, while constant, eventually goes nowhere towards team success but only towards individual accomplishments, like the Cy Young.

Ugh, really? Obviously my opinion on the deal hinges on it being official since without the deal there's nothing to give an opinion on.

I know. I'm dealing with the parts I know.

Weren't you the one who said the Mets were dumb for not trading for Olt straight up? Do you realize D'Arnaud you know, is a lot better than Olt?

Again, I was dealing with the uncertainties of any deal and when to judge them. Higher ranked prospects have a higher chance of success and Dickey's value to the Mets, while constant, eventually goes nowhere towards team success but only towards individual accomplishments, like the Cy Young.

Yes I did say the Mets should have taken Olt, had no idea D'Arnaud was on the table, and I agree he is better, but then again he is a catcher, and they have a bigger bust rate. I wouldnt say D'Arnaud is "a lot" better than Olt, BA had Olt much higher, and Law had D'Arnaud higher. It's not as clear as you are trying to make it out to be.

Are you sure Higher ranked prospects have a bigger chance of success, do you have a % to corroborate that? For every Bryce Harper there are a dozen Brandon Wood, Dallas McPhersons and Andy Martes of the world.

Which is fine, you can deal with all the uncertainties you want, you can not say, no one can say who wins the deal right now, its foolish. As a Mets fan, what else would you say?

Both teams win, but for you to say the Mets clearly win is shortsighted and frankly not true. Thats all I am saying

Btw, isn't it extra sweet that the Yankee's are getting older by the second and have had nothing to talk about during this whole process.. Well unless u consider Old man Arod's hip, signing Kevin Pukelis and re signing Grandpa Ichiro something worth discussing.. Nah lol Met's are building, getting younger n hopefully better...Great day to be a Mets fan.

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The Blue Jays also get catcher Mike Nickeas in the deal, Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com reports (Twitter links). The Mets also get 18-year-old outfield prospect Wuilmer Becerra.

Nickeas, a Vancouver, British Columbia native, appeared in 47 games for the Mets in 2012. The right-handed hitting 29-year-old posted a .174/.242/.229 batting line in 122 plate appearances with New York. He has MLB experience in parts of three seasons, but is not yet arbitration eligible.

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