Here we go again. Democrats threatening to be socialists. OK. Let’s give them some. In a show of support for the average American who is struggling to get by, Congressman Denny Rehberg, R-MT, introduced a bill requiring the President, his cabinet and staff, all nationally elected officials and all government employees in the Washington, D.C. Area to grow and eat their own food. Let’s see how socialist these phonies are when they’re in the barn at 5am milking the cows. These are some “Soft-Hand Socialists” who’ve never had to shovel cow crap. They could give their excess produce to the poor. Live like a socialist or shut up about it. This is all show by them. Let’s see some real socialism.

17 posted on 11/30/2012 7:02:31 PM PST by blueunicorn6
("A crack shot and a good dancer")

Of course it’s “Just the beginning” did anyone with two brain cells think that the far left kooks only want to “Tax the rich” PLEASE..they want to tax EVERYONE..the far left hates everyone and I mean EVERYONE who earns a living..the only ones they care about are the moochers and freeloaders who live off of food stamps and other Govt goodies, that way they have their permanent Dem base

The real negotiating strength for the Republicans is the middle class tax increase. Who in their right mind thinks that Obama, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi care about the middle class in THE PRIVATE SECTOR? Now, they care a lot about the middle class in THE PUBLIC SECTOR. That’s one of their big voting blocks. You start talking about less take home pay and smaller income tax refunds to teachers and EPA employees and county truck drivers and all of a sudden you’re right in the middle of Democratland. They care about their money and the Democrats care about their votes. Here’s how the Republicans should talk about this.

“We have worked hard to solve our nation’s financial problems. We negotiated in good faith with the Democrats and came up with a bill that would help solve the country’s financial problems. This program will cause tax rates, across the financial spectrum, to rise to help pay our bills. The Democrats agreed to this program. Now, they want to back out of their deal and cause our country financial misery in an effort to grandstand and score political points. We think that the program, while not perfect, is a step in the right direction. President Obama has been clear that he wants to raise taxes, and at this time, we support him, though Republicans really don’t like raising taxes on anyone. The Republican Party does not approve of giving the President more money to just waste, so we do not support his request for additional hard-earned tax money beyond the rising tax rates. We look forward in a year from now, to see how these tax increases that the Democrats have so long desired affect EVERYONE in this country. Thank-you.

33 posted on 11/30/2012 7:24:10 PM PST by blueunicorn6
("A crack shot and a good dancer")

I was reading one of many posts shared here on this forum and I noticed Rush Limabugh spoke with Mitch McConnell. Rush says about these guys that they just do not have the guts (yet) to take on Obama in the way it needs to be done. I have been praying for a very long time for them to realize Obama is very serious about his view of transformation to our country. I know others are praying for them as well.

They are not doing their best. Newt pointed out that they have been in talks secretly with the dems all along. Yes, the House is our only hope to push the unconstitutionally actions from this WH back. I feel as though, they could do much more. They are afraid and that is what Rush was sharing. At the right time, we need to replace them with leaders who have a spine or guts.

How much longer will it take until people refuse to work, band together, to go protest so to clean up this mess in Washington. It's our country.. we are getting this since we allow this to go on. I hope they do not increase taxes nor sign that huge democrat bill. Like Newt said, either walk away, repubs/hold firm to no higher taxes or if you have already made deals behind closed doors, don't support the increase of taxes and the increasing the size of more government (break the huge bill up into small bills of things that will work, Newt's advise). The current Speaker is way too friendly with Obama. I get protocol but you don't associate with your political opponent to where it sends out a message of, we're good friends/our message is to work together. Just my thoughts.

43 posted on 11/30/2012 8:12:29 PM PST by Christie at the beach
(I like Newt. Our nation's foundation is under attack.)

In response to the call for progressives to draw a red line in the fiscal cliff sand, here is our big picture stance on corporate and individual tax reform, Rep. Michael Honda (D-Calif.) said in a statement. Six progressive tax principles from a new Gang of Six. The expiration of the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans is just the beginning of the discussion.

That bunch sounds like it's going to be about as effective as solving an algebra problem by chewing bubble gum.

In politics, "Gang of X" usually refers to members who will ally themselves with another faction to achieve a desired result. Who, exactly do they plan to ally with? Are there any members of the Communist Party in the current Congress? These dingbats do realize that the Republicans are pretty safe with their districts until at least the 2022 election? Or maybe they don't.

52 posted on 11/30/2012 8:32:40 PM PST by Sooth2222
("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)

The Party of REVENGE is about to go on a RAMPAGE against the people of this Country, they will incite conflict because we are not a people who will allow our property to be confiscated by King George or Commissar Obama.

To maintain or strengthen progressivity, we should end one of the leading contributors to after-tax income inequality in this country, the special tax breaks for investment income, the group said in its statement, released Thursday. Workers who get their salaries from wages often pay a higher effective tax rate than wealthy individuals like Mitt Romney and Warren Buffett who make most of their income from selling stocks and bonds or from dividends.

There's a good reason for the lower marginal tax rates on investment income: investment in the private sector creates innovation and entire new industries which create millions of new jobs. That is why congress set the marginal tax rates on investment income lower than some of the marginal rates on ordinary income paid by workers earning more than about $50,000. The lower rates on long-term capital gains are also intended to encourage investors to make risky long-term investments which could make them big capital gains but also often result in large losses. That's a big difference between a worker who goes in to work a job and a long-term stock investor: the worker knows for sure that he's going to get paid (unless his company is in severe financial distress), but the stock investor never knows if he's going to make any money on an investment and knows he can certainly lose a lot on long-term investments. So the lower rate on long-term capital gains (investments held at least one year) is also intended to compensate investors for the high risk of many equity investments.

The Obama campaign grossly distorted Mitt Romney's private equity career and used numerous severe distortions and half-truths in their negative advertising against Romney. When Romney made money on good investments (often bold, risky, brilliantly implemented turn-around investments), the Obama campaign never mentioned all the jobs Romney created through his investment but only accused him of not paying enough taxes on his investment gains. Then when Romney lost a lot of money on a steel company that he could not turn around, the Obama campaign never mentioned that Romney took a large personal loss on that investment and only blamed Romney for being forced to lay off workers. This was some of the worst bunch of distortions and half-truths in the history of political advertising. This "gang of six" also seems to be forgetting that Romney's effective tax rate has been reduced substantially in recent years by large donations to his church.

I think there is some room to raise taxes on qualified dividends and long-term capital gains without hurting economic growth significantly. I suggest an increase in the rate on dividends from 15% to 19%, which takes the total federal rate to 23% when Obamacare taxes are added in. With state taxes added in that takes the effective total rate to about 31% in high tax states. The rate on long-term capital gains could be raised from 15% to 17%, which sets the total rate at about 21% with Obamacare taxes added in, and with state taxes a total effective rate of about 29%. I wouldn't raise the federal rate on long-term capital gains more than two points or we'll start to choke off investments in innovative new companies and slow down the amazing Silicon Valley job-creating machine, which has generated so much job growth and tax revenue for America.

And, they are serious. It is only the beginning. Only total destruction of the economy, and the morale of America, and the descent into tyranny will satisfy their lust to drag down the decent and productive to their level.

138 posted on 12/02/2012 6:15:57 PM PST by Quickgun
(I came here screaming and covered in someone else's blood. I can go out that way if I have to)