I'm a huge B.J fan, that said. I have no desire to watch him compete again, at any weight. B.J has all the skill in the world and no heart. When things aren't going his way, he quits fighting and just stands there, as a fan it is extremely frustrating to watch. There is no doubt in my mind that if B.J. had even half the heart of shogun, he would be the greatest ever.

grady - he'd never GET down to 145... but if he did, he wouldn't have the speed. he'd get lit up by the top guys. it'd look much worse than last night.

He weighed in at 168...I cut to 145 from 168 and 170 twice. It's not a ridiculous cut by any means. The least he could do is go back to 155. He has incredible talent, just needs the right weight class and camps IMHO.

grady - he'd never GET down to 145... but if he did, he wouldn't have the speed. he'd get lit up by the top guys. it'd look much worse than last night.

He weighed in at 168...I cut to 145 from 168 and 170 twice. It's not a ridiculous cut by any means. The least he could do is go back to 155. He has incredible talent, just needs the right weight class and camps IMHO.

YOU can cut to 145... but I HIGHLY DOUBT BJ can... or would have the discipline at this point to do so.

HeHitsMeBecauseHeLovesMe - I'm a huge B.J fan, that said. I have no desire to watch him compete again, at any weight. B.J has all the skill in the world and no heart. When things aren't going his way, he quits fighting and just stands there, as a fan it is extremely frustrating to watch. There is no doubt in my mind that if B.J. had even half the heart of shogun, he would be the greatest ever.

Keep seeing this, don't get it.

No heart is being doubled over in the second and dropping to the ground, ref was right there ready to stop it. He got back up and finished the fight.

To me it looked like he was waiting for the ref to stop it. He was just standing there covering up. If rory would have poured it on a little more, the ref would have stopped it. The only thing he did was not hit the ground, he wasn't trying to work/fight out of it. Standing there covering up and absorbing punishmemt is toughness not heart, trowing punches and trying to win till the last second is heart. I'm not just talking about last night. As a B.J fan, the second edgar fight was probably the single most frustrating fight i've ever watched.

HeHitsMeBecauseHeLovesMe - I'm a huge B.J fan, that said. I have no desire to watch him compete again, at any weight. B.J has all the skill in the world and no heart. When things aren't going his way, he quits fighting and just stands there, as a fan it is extremely frustrating to watch. There is no doubt in my mind that if B.J. had even half the heart of shogun, he would be the greatest ever.

Keep seeing this, don't get it.

No heart is being doubled over in the second and dropping to the ground, ref was right there ready to stop it. He got back up and finished the fight.

To me it looked like he was waiting for the ref to stop it. He was just standing there covering up. If rory would have poured it on a little more, the ref would have stopped it. The only thing he did was not hit the ground, he wasn't trying to work/fight out of it. Standing there covering up and absorbing punishmemt is toughness not heart, trowing punches and trying to win till the last second is heart. I'm not just talking about last night. As a B.J fan, the second edgar fight was probably the single most frustrating fight i've ever watched.

He is lazy... But he weighed in at 168, i feel he can diet down and eat right and probably drop to 160 ish? Water cut to 145 wouldnt be out of the ordinary? But even as a hardcore BJ penn fan.. He will never do it

Aldo would leg kick bj into a living death. Terrible match up for him. He has nothing left to prove, he needs to retire. It's only his ego that keeps him fighting, someone close to him needs to sit him down and lay it out for him. Either he makes a complete overhaul of his fighting style and training regimen, or walk away.

BJ in a fight has a ton of heart. But what he doesn't seem to have is a heart for training anymore. And that has shown ever since the second Edgar fight. He has gassed in every fight since that short of an early first round KO of Hughes.

HeHitsMeBecauseHeLovesMe - I'm a huge B.J fan, that said. I have no desire to watch him compete again, at any weight. B.J has all the skill in the world and no heart. When things aren't going his way, he quits fighting and just stands there, as a fan it is extremely frustrating to watch. There is no doubt in my mind that if B.J. had even half the heart of shogun, he would be the greatest ever.

You're not a bj fan. Bj has tons of heart and there's plenty of examples of it in his last 2 fights alone

Fuck you, don't tell me who I'm a fan of. I was rooting for B.J back when you were still beating off to John Cena. You obviously don't known the difference between toughness and heart.

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