Sunday, June 28, 2015

DEAR ROME. HERE'S ANOTHER ONE. DID YOU CALL ADRIAN YET?

You just dont know when to stop. Im not sure why you would want to imply something wrong or even suppose something more worse just from a simple picture of the Archbishop and two priests. Im just in disgust by all the sexual comments that you do allow.

My question to you is this:

Will you continue to fight for what is right even when the tables turn? When I meet with you and share with you the truth of an incident very central to Guam? Will you continue to fight for what is right even when it criminalizes one on your "side"? Will you?

What is so sad is that you and others have created a big divide in the church based on falsehoods. The neos have existed for quite awhile but have never tempted to approach the people with propaganda. It was simple, share the catechesis of the church, invite people to listen, ask them if they would continue, if not, move one. This happened year after year, catechesis after catechesis. There was never any ploy to divide.

A Seminary formed in all of this. After ten years of formation, we started seeing the fruits, Priests! Not once was any priest ordained and assigned to a neo community. No, they were assigned to parishes, they filled the void of so many years. Parishes that were being managed by "borrowed Priests" or "contract priests" were now getting a taste of some consistency. But this didnt satisfy you at all. So many fruits, enough to share with missions around the world and yet you still complain.

Instead, we now have a true and obvious divide. People being told to stop their donations. People being told to go celebrate the sacraments somewhere else. People printing shirts and stickers distinguishing themselves. All this divide. Never seen before til now.

You see, you ultimately want the church to return to an era that worked for you and many others but a few Popes ago, they decided that the church needed to move into a new era, hence the New Evangelization. When will you accept this?

Again, I do have some sense. Im not as dumb as you think and despite your attacks on Fr. Adrian I assure you I am not he.

So as I asked in the beginning, Will you continue the fight? Even when it is one of your own? Your answer to this will prove to me and others that this is not a war between two sides, its a fight for what is right.

Let me know.

-Jokers Wild

**** MY REPLY****

LOL. You’re such a fool. I know a helluva lot more about these people that you want to bring down than you think I do. But unlike you I don’t have a fetish for people’s past or personal sins. That’s why I haven’t posted any of the pictures John Toves sent me. I don’t care what you all did in the seminary 30 years ago. I don’t even care about all the allegations about your beloved Apuron molesting boys in Agat and elsewhere (though one says he's ready to talk).What I care about is the abuse of power to ruin other people. What I care about is a bishop who blatantly lies, cheats, steals, and is willing to hurt anybody who stands in his way. What I care about is bishop who abuses the people he is tasked to shepherd in order to serve the filthy likes of Pius and Gennarini. So go ahead fool. Spill your trash. The floor of hell is waiting.Oh, and P.S., you dirty minded fool. I didn’t post the picture to imply something sexual. I posted the picture to show the arrogant, un-vetted asses Apuron is willing to ordain (or should I say ORDERED to ordain), and as I noted in the following post, the sick sadness of how Apuron treats these fools versus our own men. I intend to explain why, and it has nothing to do with sex. But since you’re into that, we shouldn’t be surprised that that is what you thought, should we.

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Joker - you appear to be a very intelligent person. It's just unfortunate that you are biased with your comments. Yes....we do need more priest.....especially "local" priest. However, do you really think "your" archbishop will support and endorse local boys who are seeking the priesthood outside the "NEO" seminary? Are we trying to increase the number of local priest or local NEOs?

Archie, is that you? First your catechesis is neo theology not catholic, designed to prey on people's emotions. No propaganda? That's why you sent those letters to those three priests, and required the last Deacon class to go to the catechesis? Is that why Adrian told Richard that there is no more diocesan, only neo? As for the seminary, does Tim need to drag out all the info again to show that it did not come from the neo? Basta mandagi señot! Fruits? They really fruity, case in point Luis Camacho.Now you plan to close the chapel because."there's no money". If there is no money why do you continue to fund the neo machine and all those priests who are not here?Fakmata, señot sa manguenguentos i taotaomu, ya ti malagu hao un ekunguk hafa I pinitin niha.

This is not a joke. This is about real life events that are not done in secret. Didn't the archbishop remove Father Paul because he showed Christ's humility to forgive? Didn't the archbishop remove Monsignor Benavente for issues that he has still not proven to be true? Didn't the archbishop remove the entire Archdiocese Financial Council for proving the archbishop that he was wrong in removing Monsignor Benavente and for not approving the sale of the Yona property? We have the supporting documents, we're just waiting to see his.The NEO replacements that he has put in those positions of authority have not done nothing and that's another fact, but have they been replaced? NO! Has the SARC initiated the investigation and removal of father Luis? Has the archbishop provided the approval documents from the Vatican related to the Magestrium? To all of these questions that I have brought up, the answers to all of them again are a resounding NO!! It is not the Jungle that is dividing the Church, it is the man, and yes, he's just a man that steals, kills and destroys what was once good for the island until that cult of yours arrived to Guahan. This is not a joke and if you continue to believe in your puppet masters, may God have pity on your soul.

I tried reading my post and it was very difficult so I am sending what my comments are to Joker's wild posting.

Jokers Wild, I want to thank you for your candor in revealing the True intention of NCW and thus allowing me to address the root cause of this division and why it is important for us Catholics to keep you and your brand of “faith” out of our parishes.

. Excuse me, I for one was ignorant of the devious plan by the Way to take over our parishes, I never realized that the take over was overtly being executed without the knowledge of most of the Catholics. I was aware for many years that the Archbishop has started a movement and was extremely close to them. I began to be aware from stories from Sta Rita Parish with stories that parishioners were attending other Masses, because they were unable to understand the Homilies because of the accent of the parish priest. What was more disturbing was the fact that this priest does not believe in statues and even went to the extent of removing the Statue of Santa Guadalupe and “called” a parishioner early morning to inform him that there is a “miracle” because the statues are lined up “marching out of church” Neo’s obviously do not subscribe to statues, instead these are replaced by Icons as the ones at Barrigada Church. (Icons, vestments, chalices and other articles must be purchased from Kiko, your pope.

Let me begin with the fact that the Archbishop refused to send a Aaron Quitigua to an off-island seminary, notwithstanding the fact the RMS Seminary in Yona. In fact, Father Kidd, was told that the era of Diocesan priest for Guam is now over. The ploy to mislead us by creating a separate seminary for non-neo vocation is simply a sad ploy and the original 6 who joined are now reduced to 2 that are still on the program. This charade by the Archbishop is truly insulting to our intelligence. How can these priest be Diocesans when they are being formed by Neo clergies. What do you think the fruit is going to be? Prior to the Archbishop decision to abandon his flock in favor of the Way, priests imported from the Philippines augmented the shortage of priest. The one thing is is puzzling to me is the fact that your Sect really believes that the Parish model is “dead” and the only way to heaven is the community model that you adopt. Pray tell, then why you would want to staff our parishes with Neo’s. I understand that Our Blessed Mother is viewed differently from traditional Catholics. Further, you do not subscribe to Purgatory and the Rosary is not something you ascribe to.

. Count me as one who will not donate to AAA appeal, for me this Appeal means the quality of priests that are being generated out of the seminary mills at Yona. The product teach that Jesus Christ is a “sinner” (check the recording) a Neo clergy refusing to bless the remains of a cremated catholic, because the “fire” has destroyed his soul. (shame on them). I need not bring up Father Camacho

? Your Sect, Cult, sounds to me more like an elitist, group. You have your own Pope Kiko, You defy Rome in the way you have been ordered to receive The Holy Eucharist because you view the reception different from traditional Catholics. Apuron is on tape mocking Cardinal Arnize (sp).

The other areas that are of concern to me is that from what I have learned, you have different categories of members, your catechism is super secret and a definite pecking order from the leaders to the pawns who are made to do all the menial work.

I deleted the "post" Tommy refers to so that you can more easily read his comments. The first post contained AAA's, er, I mean the Joker's comments and then Tom's replies. It was not easy to discern which was which in Tom's original post, so I asked him just to submit his comment only. You can see what he is referring to by reading AAA", er I mean the Joker's original comment.

Tommy – It is so sad, indeed, that the Archbishop has chosen to close his eyes to the reality (not a “perception” that he claims) that there is INDEED a division within our Church. Until he admits the reality that there is indeed a division within the Church, he will NEVER acquiesce to correcting the errors that this division is wrecking havoc upon us.

It started (I believe) with the 2006 KOLG radio broadcast wherein he made the clear distinction: “WE were given permission to do this – receive Communion sitting…”. Who is this “we”? Clearly, he aligned himself with the disobedience of the NCW in not conforming to the prescriptions of GIRM. Had he said THEY were given permission, he would have excluded himself from the error, but by aligning himself with “we”, he has clearly set himself apart from us. Simple logic; simple theology. Yet, he denies that there is a division! He created it!

Then, there is the matter of dual allegiance - one real and one feigned, since one “cannot serve two masters”. I didn’t know how much more bluntly I needed to ask it to solicit a very categorical, unambiguous “yes” or “no” answer, when I asked at the Toto meeting “…Are you beholden to any other authority – any other human being on earth – other than to the Pope and his Sacred Congregations – in the running of the Catholic Church in Guam?” The obvious answer should have been an emphatic “NO; HECK NO! I am the Archbishop of this archdiocese, and I answer ONLY to the Pope!” I had to ask the question a second time after an initial skirted answer – to which he answered: “…Well, I also listen to the charism [whatever/whoever that may be], and if it is good, then fine….” I left it to the attendees to make their own conclusion!

There is a plethora of theological and liturgical aberrations – too numerous to mention them all here – that the Archbishop needs to acknowledge which – if he deems false – he should come out publicly (either from the pulpit of all the churches in the archdiocese, or through a pastoral letter – a quasi Motu Proprio, if you will ) and explain it to his flock. He has a role to teach and sanctify, not just to rule and pontificate!

Allow me to mention just a few – that Christ is a sinner; that the Mass is not a TRUE SACRIFICE, identical to the Sacrifice of the Cross, but just a celebratory re-enactment of the Last Supper; that Jesus is present in us - Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity – when we receive Him in Holy Communion – not just present spiritually in the community; that our tradition of honoring and praying for our deceased is in conformity with our belief in Purgatory; Kiko’s theology that Judas is saved because without his betrayal there would have been no Jesus dying on the Cross, no salvation by Christ, i.e. that Judas was a part of the plan for our salvation, and that each of us must have a “Judas” in our lives so that we can “all be saved”; etc. etc.

I have a prayer which I would like the Archbishop to HUMBLY pray very often – “Lord, that I may see!” Ask the Lord, Arch, to open your eyes and not be blinded by the vanities of this world. “Vanity of vanities; and all is vanity, besides loving God and SERVING HIM ALONE.” (Eccl 1:2 – Imitation of Christ, by Thomas a Kempis, Ch 1) - jrsa.

JR San Agustin and Thomas Tanaka...great summaries of the substance of our frustrations with the Archbishop and neo theology. May God continue to bless and inspire you. Your postings make great sense and are great reminders that we will no longer be fooled!

This "Jokers Wild" is a foreigner. Not local and not English as a first language...obvious. He is too formal but too many errors for someone who at first sounds eloquent. He is not in the "in" as too much of his backup is from previous comments, especially with regard to "Frenchie's" posting. I know who knows what. He does not know. Mercenary. Second hand info from pitiful Cristobal. He is not important, and I'm certain cannot back up anything. He is not the Archbishop. I can tell. He is being invited by someone on the hill to jump in. Have not heard his "style" before in JW. But, I do not believe he is important. He does show their desperation. Tim, you know far more and can back up far more than he...or "they". THEY ARE DESPERATE! WE ARE WINNING! Once more, Jokers Wild, draw.

Bishop Plano was removed last September.http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-29363397Now financial improprieties by the Bishop are being reported in U.S. media.http://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2015/06/28/paraguayan-bishop-ousted-by-pope-scrutinized-for-spending

Yes Joseph, and yes R. Yaeger, you are correct. Do not forget, that ultimately, the reason that this bishop was removed is that a group of concerned Catholics actualy took him to court to demand redress from misusing funds. Just like in Minneapolis St Paul it is the local parishioners who got together and demanded through the court, answers. Only then did Rome actualy moved.....It is through the process of discovery that a lot of the scandalous issues were confirmed in the legal system.... Food for thoughts for the good people of Guam.....After two years of Tim exposing the truth about AAA, Pius and all the crooks around them, maybe it is time people finaly wake up and take action, legal action

Yes. I DON’T CARE. I don’t care for the simple fact that the supposed victims and their families apparently don’t care enough to come forward. Maybe they were bought off. Maybe they are too embarrassed. For years I have been listening to people whisper about these things and for years I have been telling people that they have to do more than whisper - and hide behind anonymous comments and pseudonyms for that matter. And for years there has been silence. So I don’t care until they care. Meanwhile, I have plenty of actual crimes I can document. I’d rather spend my energy there. However, if you are one of those who know, then let’s have it.

I'm almost there, Tim. If they don't care, or the people on the island don't care, why should I not just put that energy into cooking. Want to be a Fitness Home Chef. Maybe somewhat of a "Jacque". Or, maybe some specialty Napa biz. If they cared, they'd back their mouths.

I think Tim does really care, its just that you can do so much and the rest is going to be really up to "us". As he mentioned, the whispers about things that have occurred will only come to light ONLY if we do something about this. Be Not Afraid.......Let us all get up and out of our shells and become proactive in what happens to our church.

Agat Boys, a few of us have heard rumors that was going around. A certain person amongst you was mouthing about it. You are all about 49 - 54/55 years old today. Why hide behind those bad memories. Not all of you are on island, most are living in the states and are grandparents. Stop the cycle of abuse from this Archbishop. We heal ourselves when we are able to face the embarrassment caused by someone who should have known better. Yes the problems going on here isn't anything to do with you but look at how he accuses Fr. Paul of what he has done to your youth years as altar servers, serving him.

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TIME SINCE ARCHBISHOP APURON SAID HE WOULD FIND IT.

Archbishop Apuron, December 15, 2014.

"Rome has approved it – even the way we’re receiving Communion. That they receive the host standing and they can sit down and everybody who receives it and they eat together...Rome has given permission for that. And it’s somewhere I need to find out where exactly, but they told us that permission is given."