Initially, witnesses would not cooperate, mimicking Sgt. Schulz. (Some of the younger members of the audience are scratching their heads; our slightly older friends wonder what a pro wrestler has to do with any of this.)

“Since then, we have viewed this video. And more people have come
forward, giving information,” Bernstein told Hayes.

The information contained in that video sharply conflicts with the public, chest-thumping declarations of Vick’s lawyer, Larry Woodward. “I stand by what I said, that Michael was long gone before the shooting,
does not know who did the shooting and had nothing to do with the
shooting,” Woodward recently told the Philadelphia Daily News. “Anyone who says any different better be very careful.”

Maybe Woodward should have been very careful to know the facts before apparently letting his client tell police a version of the events that conflicts with them. (In the event they didn’t teach you this in law school, Larry, the cops don’t like being lied to.) And maybe Woodward should have been very careful not to give the timing of Vick’s departure so much significance to the shooting, in lieu of simply saying, “It doesn’t matter when he left; he had nothing to do with it.”

By hinging his client’s credibility and his own credibility to an objective fact on which they’ve been proven wrong, reasonable people will be more likely to conclude that perhaps Vick had something to do with the shooting.

The facts of this case are:
1. Vick and the guy who got shot had prior bad blood from the dog fighting case
2. It was shown on video tape that the guy who got shot slapped Vick’s girlfriends hand causing cake to smear on her face.
3. After this incident Vick and the victim were seen on tape having words
4. Vick leaves the club, 3 minutes later the victim is shot from the direction which Vick just left from.
5. Vick has a noted prior criminal history, as do those in his social circle.
There is no way in the world that Mike Vick didn’t have SOMETHING to do with this shooting. Not saying he was the shooter, but either ha gave orders to do the shooting, or a close friend of his did the shooting on Vick’s behalf.

(In the event they didn’t teach you this in law school, Larry, the cops don’t like being lied to.)
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this is a rediculous comment,even if he left 30 sec before the shooting,it still means he wasnt there when the shooting happened,dont see where he lied to the cops,30 sec as good as 30 minutes,hundreds of thousands of people shot everyday,media loves this cause vick was somewhere in the area of a shooting,but was gone,but still,you can use his name to generate hits,so guess its good for the news sites

Vick never gave an exact time of departure. That alone shows he didn’t lie. I’m just done posting on this for a while cause nothing new is coming out. The police knew of all the information well before the media. Theres nothing “new”
Theres only two ways Vick can have “something” to do with the shooting by a court of law.
#1 He shot the man
#2 He HAD someone (told, physical evidence) to do it.
Thats it. People can spew all the speculated scenarios all they wish.

It amazes me that anyone assigns ANY credibility to what a lawyer says about his client.
Lawyers are not in the business of telling the truth. They are in the business of making their clients look less onerous than they actually are.
It amazes me that anyone bothers sticking a microphone in front of one of these mouthpieces and recording their blather for posterity.

Florio,
For those of us attorneys that are also members of PFT, stop acting like you are the second coming of Atticus Finch. If you were that good of an attorney then you wouldn’t be doing this.
Second, did you ever stop to think that Mr. Woodward actually advised Vick to stay quiet and he ignored him or that he asked him not to speak and he did it anyways.
Granted if failed to cover his bases before letting him speak to the police then it was not a smart maneuver, but he also could have been relying on what Vick and others around him had told him. Again, not necessarily the smartest path.
The point is, that is Mr. Woodward’s livelihood, try to refrain from comment when you don’t know all of the facts. Especially when you are hinting at someone’s professional intelligence.

Damn.
All this guy had to do is train and sit in his house and he would have got a chance to shine with Kevin Kolb choking this year. Next year he would have signed with a new team to be a starting QB again.
All he had to do was sit in his dang house. What the heck are you throwing a birthday party for anyways?
Why are athletes so dumb and ungrateful? I would do anything to play in the NFL, why do they have to be rock-stars off the field at clubs and bars?
Why not just have 1 hot main girlfriend/wife, a nice house, and a career (playing football)? Why is that never enough?
I like this guy Vick, but how many dumb decisions can 1 player make? Having a birthday party with loud mouth D.Hall, and rap group the Clipse? Really, you didn’t think anything could pop off negatively that night regardless?
There should have been no party to begin with, now 1 night could ruin his attempt to come back, and this time it could be for good, I hope not, Vick still has juice in his legs and arm, this is such a sad day.
It’s like summer of ’07 all over again, when the dog fighting issue came out he seemed to be not involved and it was all good, then slowly little things and facts would come out and all of a sudden he’s doing time. Same with this summer, at first he had nothing to do with it, now things are starting to come out.
Talk about a throwback nostalgic summer, like really, this guy…again?

I’m right here and posted. What crow am I eating? He’s not a suspect or anything, nothing has changed. As I posted above, the only way I will be found “wrong” is if a court of law shows Vick
A.) Shot the man.
B.) had someone shoot him
So again… theres nothing new? Why should i eat “crow” when nothing has been determined and it’s still going to be that way until a court of law convicts him of the shooting.

Florio and his crusade…. does anyone other than you really care about this? How many minutes have to pass by in order for it to be clarified as “long gone”? Did they define this for you when you got your degree?

While no one died in this instance…as was the case where Ray Lewis had his “problem”…this does have the familiar ring of Obstruction Of Justice”…which Ray eventually had to pay the price for.
Also sounds like Roddy White and Marcus Vick were involved.

digitalbath says:
July 1, 2010 8:41 AM
this is a rediculous comment,even if he left 30 sec before the shooting,it still means he wasnt there when the shooting happened,dont see where he lied to the cops,30 sec as good as 30 minutes,hundreds of thousands of people shot everyday,media loves this cause vick was somewhere in the area of a shooting,but was gone,but still,you can use his name to generate hits,so guess its good for the news sites
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Hundreds of thousands of people are shot every day?
What, do you live in Baltimore or something?

Wow florio, did you really just butcher a sgt. slaughter reference in your sgt schulz joke???
In related news/bad jokes…… Marcus vick was seen doing a Jimmy “superfly” rosenblatt on someones ass off a car the night of the party

Everyone who lied to the police should be charged with obstruction of justice. Period.
Then offer no deals to negotiate it down, a la Law and Order.
People like Ray Lewis, who let murders walk the streets because of their obstruction must be stopped.

Jon Evans says:
July 1, 2010 8:43 AM
Vick never gave an exact time of departure. That alone shows he didn’t lie. I’m just done posting on this for a while cause nothing new is coming out. The police knew of all the information well before the media. Theres nothing “new”
Theres only two ways Vick can have “something” to do with the shooting by a court of law.
#1 He shot the man
#2 He HAD someone (told, physical evidence) to do it.
Thats it. People can spew all the speculated scenarios all they wish.
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LOL. Hmmm….seems like your ability to predict the future may be somewhat in question.

sure glad you’re not a detective …. good Lord …. does the video show bullets flying out of Vick’s vehicle as he left ?? if not ,quit writing your assumption stories over and over as they get damn old …. if he said the shootings were 10 or 20 or 30 or 40 or however many minutes after he left big deal …. how in the world would he know the exact time of the shootings if he has left …. a “common sense” assumption on his time would probably be based from when he was notified by someone at the party who called him and said “hey , Phillips was shot” …. maybe Vick or White then looked at a clock or watch and thought “boy, sure glad we left however long ago” …. you have no clue on what the time is based on or the story as to what happened …. so keep all your assumptions and made up thoughts to yourself til facts come out

# chc4 says: July 1, 2010 8:48 AM
Vick’s self destruction/implosion is almost complete yet all his apologists will still pin his demise on factors other than his own stupidity. Sad.
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That is 100% right on brother!

All legal aspects of the law aside, I’m going to stick to the original topic here (football). I believe that he shouldn’t be allowed to play another game in this league. It doesn’t matter if he was set up, in the wrong place at the wrong time, ect. He always has something going on, always.
Vick will forever play the card “Poor me, I always get hated on” in the NFL, in life.
He once celebrated with the same people he then gave the middle finger to on national television.
He still eats meals with the same people he lent money to in order to run a moronic and pointless gambling operation in the same state where he’s now found in another mess.
And it has to point to the fact that has been pointed out several times: he hasn’t changed.
Vick makes money for the league, and I’m most certain they would let Vick get away with his personal issues as long as they didn’t make the league look bad, it’s too late again.
Sit back and collect the facts NFL and the Eagles organization, but we’re all leaning towards one same conclusion: Exciting football player, but his life is a little too exciting for today’s society to be learning about every 6 months. He shouldn’t be playing in the NFL.

@ Jon Evans
You should eat crow or whatever it is someone told you to eat because for 2 days you have been trying to convince those of us who aren’t blinded by the color of a man’s skin that Vick had nothing to do with the shooting. Now the cops are saying that video evidence shows there may be a reasonable suspiscion that he did indeed have something to do with it. Just stop defending the scumbag now and save yourself some self respect.

This is all deja vu…….Vick and his lawyer denied denied denied involvement in the dog fighting case
The dog fighting involved all of Vick’s hommies
The Virginia police and DA weren’t “interested” or pursue Vick in the dog fighting at first
The facts were uncovered by the Feds
Fast forward to today…Vick and lawyer deny deny deny, Vicks hommies, Feds getting involved so now Virginia State police decide they better man up too…..video (facts) come out…..must be time for Vick to take a plea again
Same story…..same results, suspend the turd now Goodell.

he “always” has something going on? I only know of him having ONE THING ever happen to him and that was the dog fighting ordeal. Thats the only thing… so what are these tons of things that followed him his entire life? /boggle
Can anyone actually stand by the truth and fact and not go drawing things out or amplifying them? Continue to try and make things appear that never were and never will be there.

1. Police say Vick is not a person of interest
2. Vick talks to police and gives timeline
3. New evidence emerges
4. Police now say Vick is a person of interest
Yeah, nothing has changed!
Simply the Law System running its course.
This is where you reveal yourself to be a Stepford apologist of Vick.

LOL. Hmmm….seems like your ability to predict the future may be somewhat in question.=========================
How do you figure? He hasn’t been charged of commiting the crime nor being involved.
I’m still batting a thousand

Ed Reed…
Did you see Vick play last season? He had about as much impact as the backup punter in training camp.
32 snaps. Did a nice job against the Falcons deep subs in trash time, can throw a TD as long as the defender falls down on his face.
He has little ability, no skills, and no NFL position. I would like to stop using roster spots and millions on a charity case / social experiment. Use it to pay a guy like Jackson. Or, if this is all about charity, give it to the Rec Department and get some pools open.
Cakeface is all done, check the tape.

# Roger the Dodger says: July 1, 2010 8:43 AM
It amazes me that anyone assigns ANY credibility to what a lawyer says about his client.
Lawyers are not in the business of telling the truth. They are in the business of making their clients look less onerous than they actually are.
It amazes me that anyone bothers sticking a microphone in front of one of these mouthpieces and recording their blather for posterity.
. BINGO!!!
The LAST person anyone should believe is
a professional liar….errr….. i mean liaryer…..i mean lawyer

I love how everyone is either “he’s guilty fry him” or “he was gone before it happened so get off his back.” What about reality, which dictates that there is enough circumstantial evidence to SUSPECT that he MIGHT have been involved and there needs to be further investigation. PERIOD.

# highplainsdrifter says: July 1, 2010 8:45 AM
Florio,
For those of us attorneys that are also members of PFT, stop acting like you are the second coming of Atticus Finch. If you were that good of an attorney then you wouldn’t be doing this.
Second, did you ever stop to think that Mr. Woodward actually advised Vick to stay quiet and he ignored him or that he asked him not to speak and he did it anyways.
Granted if failed to cover his bases before letting him speak to the police then it was not a smart maneuver, but he also could have been relying on what Vick and others around him had told him. Again, not necessarily the smartest path.
The point is, that is Mr. Woodward’s livelihood, try to refrain from comment when you don’t know all of the facts. Especially when you are hinting at someone’s professional intelligence.
……Spoken like a true lawyer. However, you’re missing the point. Not questioning his “professional intelligence” here just his lack of ethics and truth like every other lawyer

Jon Evans says:
July 1, 2010 9:31 AM
LOL. Hmmm….seems like your ability to predict the future may be somewhat in question.=========== ==============
How do you figure? He hasn’t been charged of commiting the crime nor being involved.
I’m still batting a thousand
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So when it comes out that he’s involved, will you then say that you only said he wouldn’t be charged with a crime? When he’s charged, would you then say you only said he wouldn’t be convicted? When he’s convicted, would you then say you only said he didn’t pull the trigger? You said nothing would come out of this and that Vick wasn’t involved. Still want to stand by that?

You said the cops would not investigate Vick as a POI.
You said his parole officer, based on your understanding of the Law System, had no role and no cause to investigate.
You are pretty far under the Mendoza line, bro.

“he “always” has something going on?”
At the request of federal authorities before sentencing, Vick agreed to deposit nearly $1 million in an escrow account with attorneys for use to reimburse costs of caring for the confiscated dogs, most of which were being offered for adoption on a selective basis under supervision of a court-appointed specialist. Experts said some of the animals will require individual care for the rest of their lives.[54]
During his bankruptcy trial, the U.S. Department of Labor complained that these funds were paid at least partially with unlawfully withdrawn monies which Vick held in trust for himself and eight other employees of MV7, a celebrity marketing company he owns.

“he “always” has something going on? I only know of him having ONE THING ever happen to him and that was the dog fighting ordeal.”
Of course that pesky interstate gambling to go along with the dog fighting, the weed in a secret water bottle compartment on a plane and then of course knowingly giving herpes to a woman.
“How do you figure? He hasn’t been charged of commiting the crime nor being involved.”
The police now say there is a chance he was involved based off of video evidence. Do you read the article before you comment? Just throw in the towel idiot.

give me a break, all you Ron Mexico apologizers need to wake up. The guy is a piece of trash. Give up on him already. Crime seems to follow this guy. Its never going to stop. He isnt even that good anyway. His brother is a POS as is he. At some point we need to stop supporting thugs like herpes giving, dog fighting, shooters like Ron who continue to flaunt the legal system in order to make millions to run the wildcat poorly. And dont give me this ” oh, he did his time” crap cause he still hasnt learned anything.

I think anyone could invision that this is what happened.
Vick to one of his hanger ons: “Take care of this fool, but after I’m long gone”
Vick leaves.
Hanger on: Boom
Vick Lawyer: Vick was long gone”
That my friend is a not so real way that Vick could be involved.

“Right now, we don’t really have a title for him,” Virginia Beach police spokesman Adam Bernstein told Marcus Hayes of the Philadelphia Daily News.”
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I’ve got a title for him –
Man who is Dumber than a Box of Hammers
and why in the hell is a grown man having a “birthday party” – were there ponies and clowns there?

The police have never once said “there is a chance he was involved” Please stop skewing statements to fit your argument.
I don’t pay attention to media influenced bs and I I know how to skim through and find the facts and ignore everything else.
So again, idiot? i have done more in my life than you ever will. #2 This idiot is still 100% right in his assesment #3 This idiot will be 100% right in the end that Vick did not shoot this man and He didnt have BY A COURT OF LAW SHOWING that he caused the person to be shot.
So it’s funny how You can call me an idiot and I’m wrong yet.. haha.. (this is really hilarious) there IS NOTHING NEW. So even tho he hasnt been charged and CONVICTED of anything which is my stance all along.. I should say hes guilty cause you want me to?
Please, “idiot” lay off the bong. or atleast, get some medication to eradicate this alternate reality you live in.

“he “always” has something going on? I only know of him having ONE THING ever happen to him and that was the dog fighting ordeal.”
In March 2005, Sonya Elliott filed a civil lawsuit against Vick alleging she contracted genital herpes from him in the autumn of 2002 and that he failed to inform her that he had the disease. Elliot further alleged that Vick had visited clinics under the alias “Ron Mexico” to get treatments and thus knew of his condition. On April 24, 2006, Vick’s attorney, Lawrence Woodward, revealed that the lawsuit had been settled out of court under undisclosed terms.

Hey Jon Evens, how about this scenario genius? Vick didn’t shoot the guy…vick didn’t even give the order to shoot the guy..but one of these wonderful human beings that was in his crew decided they were a tough guy and shot the victim just because they were pissed. Now Vick witnessed the crime and as with the person that shot him and did nothing to stop it. That my friend means he committed a crime. Now dont get me wrong here, I am not suggesting that happened at all and dont believe it did happen, but it could have. You stated:
“Theres only two ways Vick can have “something” to do with the shooting by a court of law.
#1 He shot the man
#2 He HAD someone (told, physical evidence) to do it.”
Im gonna guess your not a Lawyer..in face a college degree seems pretty out of reach for you if your making idiotic comments like that. You are as full of Sh@t as your ears will be once you pull your head out of your arse.

“he “always” has something going on? I only know of him having ONE THING ever happen to him and that was the dog fighting ordeal.”
January 17, 2007 – Vick surrendered a water bottle which had a hidden compartment to security personnel at Miami International Airport. “The compartment was hidden by the bottle’s label so that it appeared to be a full bottle of water when held upright,” police said. Test results indicated there were no illegal substances in the water bottle and Vick was cleared of any wrongdoing. Vick announced that the water bottle was a jewelry stash box, and that the substance in question had been jewelry.

“he “always” has something going on? I only know of him having ONE THING ever happen to him and that was the dog fighting ordeal.”
On April 24, 2007, Vick was scheduled to lobby on Capitol Hill, hoping to persuade lawmakers to increase funding for after-school programs. Vick missed a connecting flight in Atlanta on Monday to Reagan National Airport in Arlington, Virginia. He later failed to show up for another seat booked for him later that evening. On Tuesday morning, he did not attend his scheduled appearance at the congressional breakfast where he was to be honored for his foundation’s work with after-school projects in Georgia and Virginia. Vick’s mother Brenda accepted the award from the Afterschool Alliance.

It usually takes more than 3 minutes to walk to your car, say goodbye to friends etc. so I’m sure he was still in the area.
Doesn’t mean he shot anyone but he still could have seen who did. He would have been close enough to hear the shot and look over to see what was happening.

“he “always” has something going on? I only know of him having ONE THING ever happen to him and that was the dog fighting ordeal.”
In early 2004, two men were arrested in Virginia for distributing marijuana. The truck they were driving was registered to Vick. Falcons coach Dan Reeves recalled that he lectured Vick at that time on the importance of reputation, on choosing the right friends, and on staying out of trouble for the good of his team.

If Vick left before the shooting took place, OF COURSE he would say that they were long gone before the shooting because they didn’t know WHEN the shooting took place!
Bunch of idiots are the ones questioning the fact that he left 3 minutes before the shooting took place and Vick’s lawyer said they were long gone. Let me reiiterate. Of course I’m gonna say I was long gone before something took place if I don’t know WHEN it exactly it took place because I was ALREADY GONE.

Mr. Evans again you are missing the entire point here. He DOESNT have to be convicted of a crime you IDIOT! All he has to do is violate the terms of his probation and he is guilty. CLEARLY he violated his probation by even being in the same building as these people. Thats what we are trying to convince you of. There doesn’t have to be a conviction of anything. If his probation officer determines he violates his probation he goes back to jail. You are 100% right to the angle that you are looking at this from. The problem is, no one else is looking at this the same way. I am starting to feel bad for you bro.

Jon Evans: You said the Cops werent looking at him. That means he is not involved at all. Now, they are looking at him:
Sounds like a swing and a whiff to me.
You came to the conclusion that Michael Vick is innocent withing 12 hours of the shooting. You have no access to text messages or phone records or the witnesses who all wouldnt talk. Now with the video, witnesses are starting to talk.
It may turn out that you end up being correct. Its possible that Michael Vick had nothing to do with it. But your posts have come to the conclusion that he hasnt already without any investigation.
You sound like an idiot.

You know when someone starts talking about how they are a superstar that’s accomplished more than you ever will…in reality, they’re a sad and small person with low self esteem issues.
Jon – your opinions have been the subject of disagreement,which is fine as that is why most of us are here. But your command of the facts suggests that you are only vaguely familiar with the law. In fact, you called it the “Law System” instead of the “Legal System” multiple times.
And now you seem unfamiliar with the numerous issues Vick has had in the past.
Not that any of that means he’s guilty, but you should at least be aware that he has been in trouble before – regardless of if these matters led to jail time.

“he “always” has something going on? I only know of him having ONE THING ever happen to him and that was the dog fighting ordeal.”
On January 23, 2010, the Dallas Morning News reported that steroid trafficker David Jacobs told the paper he supplied steroids to Vick while Vick played for the Falcons. When questioned by federal agents and prosecutors, Vick denied the allegations.

Jon Evans says:
July 1, 2010 9:57 AM
The police have never once said “there is a chance he was involved” Please stop skewing statements to fit your argument.
I don’t pay attention to media influenced bs and I I know how to skim through and find the facts and ignore everything else.
So again, idiot? i have done more in my life than you ever will. #2 This idiot is still 100% right in his assesment #3 This idiot will be 100% right in the end that Vick did not shoot this man and He didnt have BY A COURT OF LAW SHOWING that he caused the person to be shot.
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are you getting your info straight from the VBPD then? Since you dont pay attention to he media?
bro you are a straight tool box, its so effin comical
for everyone else on PFT, please be advised that Jon Evans is NOT a good representative of the state of NJ, he’s the kind we like to ignore until they move to Arizona

“he “always” has something going on? I only know of him having ONE THING ever happen to him and that was the dog fighting ordeal.”
On March 25, 2009, the United States Department of Labor filed a lawsuit in federal district court in Newport News, alleging that Vick and others violated federal employee benefits law taking funds in the amount of $1.35 million in withdrawals from the retirement plan sponsored by MV7, one of his companies.
The money held was in trust under pension laws to fund retirement plans for 9 current or former employees of MV7. The Labor Department simultaneously filed an adversary complaint in federal bankruptcy court to prevent Vick from discharging his alleged debt to the MV7 pension plan. The complaint alleged that some of the funds were used to pay restitution ordered in his dogfighting conspiracy case.

Mooch says:
July 1, 2010 10:10 AM
You know when someone starts talking about how they are a superstar that’s accomplished more than you ever will…in reality, they’re a sad and small person with low self esteem issues.
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Yeah. If you have to come on to an anonymous message board and say how great you are…..that’s pretty sad. Yesterday, he said he was “well known” in backwater New Jersey. 😦

Now Vick witnessed the crime and as with the person that shot him and did nothing to stop it. That my friend means he committed a crime========================
No it isnt. /boggle
For all the things people mentioned.. I don’t see anything. All the related things to the dog fighting are lumped into that one thing anyway..
i dont see him ever being CONVICTED of anything other than the Dog fighting incident.
I’m honestly happy that you guys came out in full force to attack me with actually no evidence of anything 😛 it gives me something to do on my day off.
If anybody dwelled into the personal history of anyone here i could conclude you have a habitual history of issues. wether it be simply going to the bar once a week etc. regardless, Far as i am concerned which has been my stance since the begining and will be until the end. What people say doesnt matter, it’s being convicted in a court of law.
So I’m still 100% accurate in everything I have stated. Someone prove otherwise? (btw, that would include somehow showing he has been charged with the shooting or HAD someone do it) and since you can’t do that and only a court of law can.. I guess you will just continue to spew out nonsense while I have that fact showing me to be correct. /boggle
Doesnt it suck to know no matter how much nonsense you spew, This “idiot” is right and you are wrong? I bet that really hurts your internet ego. (i think I will simply start to troll and work people up instead of bothering with this ordeal since.. I can’t be proven wrong until he is convicted /boggle) haha..

Mooch,,
Keep up with the good work with posting all of the illegal, unprofessional s*it this “great” citizen Vick has done. All of you Vick lovers, stop making it a racist issue. The guy is a piece of trash. Just look at Mooch’s posts. If you dont believe them, you can Google anything you want about this scumbag Vick. Cant wait until my Eagles cut his a$$.

Sergeant Schultz of Hogan’s Heros fame. Played by the zaftig William Banner, former German clothing model……..seriously. Post WWII being a hefty man was desirable in Germany. Girth being a display of wealth. (I have enough to eat)
I hear Nothing. I see Nothing. I know Nothing.

@Chapnasty2 and everyone wasting their time on JonEvans,
He is clearly an adolescent with no real grasp of the law. You’re wasting your time trying to speak logically or in any way to this child. He most likely still believes Vick had nothing to do with dogfighting or gambling.
The more you feed the troll the more its going to post.

highplainsdrifter: are you working on joining the Vick defense team?
The angle that interests me in all this is Roddy White. Roddy admits to leaving with Vick and now, there is suspicion that the shots may have been fired from the Vick entourage within 3 minutes of the pair leaving together. That likely puts White in the middle of it. Now White is not the second coming of Jerry Rice, but he is a consistent 80+ catch/1000+ yard receiver who had 11 TDs last year. That would be a heavy blow to a young QB in Atlanta if he ends up suspended for his associations with a convicted criminal.
Let’s face it, when something smells bad around Mike Vick, it’s usually Mike Vick himself. This is probably not going to end well for him.

again look at moochs post? he didnt post anything regarding Vick being convicted of anything. Far as I’m concerned, Its just unproven nonsense and no different then if I started spewing non sense about any of you.
As I have stated many times, show me CONVICTION. until then. you have nothing.

Jon Evans says:
July 1, 2010 10:25 AM
I’m honestly happy that you guys came out in full force to attack me with actually no evidence of anything 😛 it gives me something to do on my day off.
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Your “day off” is a Thursday? I thought the only people who had days off in the middle of the week work minimum wage….but that can’t be right, because you’re more successful than I’ll ever be. You told me so.
Also, if it’s your day off, why are you spending it on a football website, defending some scumbag? Do you have nothing better to do?

I think the shooter was the drunk guy that lied to the cops about drinking and driving (Lewand), because we all know if he was black he would have been arrested already………….
HA HA HA
Since when do cops let a black man turn himself in a week after a crime was committed.
So what do you “BlueEyeDevils” think should happen to a “BlueEye” Executive who lies to police?
Come on devils, surely you believe he should be banned or else you are just as I suspected………….
“BlueEyeDevils”
HA HA HA

We don’t know if Mooch has 3 degrees from Rutgers or Rutger Hauer Tech, but he sure has done a better job of showing proof to support his opinion than the blow hard that seems to enjoy a bit to much the tooting of his own horn.

HarrisonHits says:
July 1, 2010 10:31 AM
@Chapnasty2 and everyone wasting their time on JonEvans,
He is clearly an adolescent with no real grasp of the law. You’re wasting your time trying to speak logically or in any way to this child. He most likely still believes Vick had nothing to do with dogfighting or gambling.
The more you feed the troll the more its going to post.
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Well yeah, but it’s fun.

i like how I have no grasp of the law when facts show otherwise. #2 bragging? I respond. See thats the mind set. sigh how about this.
Vick is has not been charged or convicted with a crime. I am 100% right, anything you say is 100% wrong. Those are the facts.
I know it hurts you but I’m starting to enjoy this. i know its hurting your ego. Doesn’t it suck to know this “backwater idiot” is 100% right and you are 100% wrong? it really hurts your hopes and dreams =)
and i make jersey look bad because of a few posts on a message board regarding Vick? /boggle thats the same illogical assesment i keep hearing on this board regarding Vick. Keep spewing non sense that you know nothing about.
again i really enjoy being better than you people =)
/spam on haha (that should incite some response)

It may turn out that you end up being correct. Its possible that Michael Vick had nothing to do with it. But your posts have come to the conclusion that he hasnt already without any investigation.
You sound like an idiot.
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Please learn the definition of an Idiot before you go spewing it across the globe. it’s a person with an iq below 70. my thought process shows otherwise. /boggle
Mooch, remember how you kept going on and on about how a parole officer can send him back to jail when he wants? or that he is guilty of associating by simply being in the same room?
Please, you know nothing.

I just read all these articles about this case and no one has ever called Vick a Person of Interest.
Why is everyone on this blog calling him what the police refuse to call him? (Oh, I know. Never mind.)

And i may have wrote it earlier… I’m bragging about my self on the internet? I only brought my personal history up in regard to it being attacked. See, thats what people do. They call you names.. make assumptions etc but when you defend your self with facts they spin it to be self-esteem issues and other non sense. It’s just how the uneducated and simple minded work.
I look better you. =)

Just keeps getting better. Nothing good can ever come of convicted felons playing in the NationalFelonLeague. Warden Goodell needs to close this penitentiary for good and institute a lifete ban for convicted felons.

I am no genius, it’s all on Wikipedia.
And Jon, you have been consistent with what you think the NET RESULT will be. Which, we agree on.
However, how you get there changes from day to day, board to board, and now post to post.
Here you state that he has not “always had stuff going on”. Now, when proven wrong, you change your statement to say “convicted”. That’s fine, but all of this is in writing so it is clear you were wrong and are now backtracking. Again.
And now I know you are not a lawyer, because you clearly asked a question you didn’t know the answer to (Vick’s past transgressions).

It is not uncommon for dopes who have been thrashed in an argument to start the “I was just trying to get a rise out of you” canard. It helps those with low self-esteem save face.
And I quote…
“I think I will simply start to troll and work people up instead of bothering with this ordeal since.. I can’t be proven wrong until he is convicted”
Do what ya gotta do Jon.
And I thought you were done posting, like, 3 days ago…

Since my posts are not getting through, I will conclude I am too long winded, lol…
So two short points:
1) The time line that has been set by the video is that Mike Vick and a 2nd vehicle carrying his “posse” drove IN THE DIRECTION of the shooting 3 minutes before it occurred. So we can concur that either;
a) Vick or 2nd vehicle stopped at the spot of the shooting and would most likely have been there during it.
b) They drove in the direction and kept right on going while Philips ironically must have upset ANOTHER group of people enough in about a ten minute span to make one of them want to shoot him within 1 to 2 1/2 minutes of them driving by him.
2) If Vick knew that Phillips was at the party and in the VIP area, then that is association my friend. Unless Phillips showed up at about 1:30am and Vick was unaware of his presence until the cake incident occurred… That is a violation of his probation and he could easily be sent back to prison on that violation with the subsequent shooting situation revolving around him.
In either above point, he could be found in violation of the NFL Personal Conduct Policy and be suspended or even banned from the league.
I hope this wasn’t too long…lol

The cop said that Vick has no title. Read people. For the non-lawyers out there, a TITLE in a criminal investigation is, SUSPECT, and TARGET, WITNESS.
Other people who may have knowledge of someone with a TITLE, are called PERSONS OF INTEREST. BUT, PERSON OF INTEREST is NOT a legal title for an investigation. It has no legal meaning. It’s used by lay people, or lay lawyers like Florio because its catchy.
So, initially the cops said that they have no interest in Mike Vick, and this quote repeats that he doesn’t have a TITLE. So, the only change that could have occurred is that they are now INTERESTED in talking to him more.

“As I have stated many times, show me CONVICTION. until then. you have nothing.”
That is not what you said. I can have the court read you back your comments, Colonel Jessup!
You would have proven to such a bigger man had you owned up to being wrong.
Sad.

Roger the Dodger says: July 1, 2010 8:43 AM
It amazes me that anyone assigns ANY credibility to what a lawyer says about his client.
Lawyers are not in the business of telling the truth. They are in the business of making their clients look less ‘onerous’ than they actually are.
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Some free advice. It can be impressive to use ‘big’ words when making a point, but if they are not used correctly, they tend to make the user look both pretentious and somewhat ignorant.
ONEROUS does not mean bad, guilty or responsible. It means ‘burdensome’. Unless you were making the point that lawyers try to make their clients seem less burdensome, you probably should have used a word you actually understood.
onerous – not easily borne; wearing; “the burdensome task of preparing the income tax return”; “my duties weren’t onerous; I only had to greet the guests”; “a taxing schedule”

and again for all the posts about his history? How about any of you volunteer for a background check… a credit check.. and I sit through your personal history. I’m 100% certain I can come to same ASSUMPTIONS about you as you come about vick and anyone else based off media reports. (outside a federal dog fighting ring ofcourse but unless you are going to be super technical, you get the point)

“Mooch, remember how you kept going on and on about how a parole officer can send him back to jail when he wants? or that he is guilty of associating by simply being in the same room?”
WRONG. Wasn’t me, idiot. I believe that was RealityPolice.
You need to collect yourself. You are spinning apart.
Just keep moving the goalposts and backtracking. It’s funny to watch you implode.

“… I’m bragging about my self on the internet? I only brought my personal history up in regard to it being attacked. See, thats what people do. They call you names.. make assumptions etc but when you defend your self with facts they spin it to be self-esteem issues and other non sense. It’s just how the uneducated and simple minded work.”
And now, Act IV. The victim routine.
Close curtains.
Smattering of applause.
Drive safely folks.

@ harrisonhits
It is a slow day at work and telling him he is an idiot is fun. Watching his out of his mind responses is hillarious. Also, I bet the approval guys are laughing their tails off right now. I just can’t stand racist people like Jon and BlondeBlueeyedevil moron. The fact is there are a lot of people like them in the world and it is good to bash one when possible.

Mooch says:
July 1, 2010 11:10 AM
“… I’m bragging about my self on the internet? I only brought my personal history up in regard to it being attacked. See, thats what people do. They call you names.. make assumptions etc but when you defend your self with facts they spin it to be self-esteem issues and other non sense. It’s just how the uneducated and simple minded work.”
And now, Act IV. The victim routine.
Close curtains.
Smattering of applause.
Drive safely folks.
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Heh. I don’t think I’ve ever seen someone get so thoroughly owned in such a short period of time. It was really fun to be a part of it.

Mooch says:
July 1, 2010 10:44 AM
I am no genius, it’s all on Wikipedia.
And Jon, you have been consistent with what you think the NET RESULT will be. Which, we agree on.
However, how you get there changes from day to day, board to board, and now post to post.
Here you state that he has not “always had stuff going on”. Now, when proven wrong, you change your statement to say “convicted”. That’s fine, but all of this is in writing so it is clear you were wrong and are now backtracking. Again.
And now I know you are not a lawyer, because you clearly asked a question you didn’t know the answer to (Vick’s past transgressions).
Jon evans you have been schooled.

I’m owned? interesting. last time i checked i have yet to be proven wrong about a single circumstance. The only thing people have done is the same thing Florio is doing. Playing word games and trying to change the meanings. haha
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2) If Vick knew that Phillips was at the party and in the VIP area, then that is association my friend. Unless Phillips showed up at about 1:30am and Vick was unaware of his presence until the cake incident occurred… That is a violation of his probation and he could easily be sent back to prison on that violation with the subsequent shooting situation revolving around him.======
no it’s not and no he doesnt have to go anywhere #3 a probation officer/analyst has already said they see NO REASON to believe he was in violation of his parole. They also know more then you and what has been reported. /boggle
I’d like to know how I’m owned when as everything I said in the begining still stands. vick is 100% innocent of shooting or having someone shoot Phillips.
maby after then you can conclude that i am “owned” but thats most likely never going to happen. Cheers =)

Jon is Cheney in the bunker.
Darn, I just soured relations with Chapnasty again!!
“How about any of you volunteer for a background check… a credit check.. and I sit through your personal history.”
Are you totally mad?

“…no it’s not and no he doesnt have to go anywhere #3 a probation officer/analyst has already said they see NO REASON to believe he was in violation of his parole. They also know more then you and what has been reported. /boggle”
That conflicts with your earlier statement that the PO had NO AUTHORITY to INVESTIGATE.
More moving of the goalposts.

@EverybodyGotAids – the phrase is in the common vernacular now, but it has no Legal meaning. Meaning that when a criminal investigation is being conducted, or a grand jury convened, a “person of interest” means nothing. Only WITNESSES, TARGETS, and SUSPECTS are “involved.” Vick could become a TARGET, WITNESS, or SUSPECT, but he isn’t yet.
@Mooch – Possibly, but the title of this Post is “Police No Longer Ignore Vick” WTF does that mean? Nobody said that they were “ignoring” him, and he’s not received a TITLE either. In short, this is a non-story to get us posting again.

I don’t care if Vick ordered the guy to be shot or not, actually they should both be shot for what they did to the dogs.
The fact is that, after suspending Ben R. who hasn’t even been found guilty of anything, except being a jerk, Goodell is going to be forced to take action and will suspend Vick again. I’ll be surprised if the Eagles don’t release Vick ASAP. No wonder he was never a very good quarterback, no brains at all.

TO ALL VICK DEFENDERS: PLEASE HELP!!
I’m trying to become the blond blue eyed “racist whitey” devil that you claim I am. I really am trying. I want to hate Vick for just being black. I work hard at it every day.
But every time I try, I forget he is black because my mind is fogged with the memory of his lies about gambling and dog fighting to the FBI, the commish, the media and the fans; his airport pot smuggling; flipping off his own fans; the whole “Ron Mexico” incident; the stolen Rolex; the drug test he failed while awaiting his gambling sentencing; the fact that he never did any jail time for the dog fighting; claiming that his 6 year lifestyle of dog fighting was a “mistake”; and, of course, the dogs.
My question to you is, since all of you are so good at it, how do I forget all of those things Vick did?
Is it denial?
Is it ignorance?
Is it a little of both?
Or is there something else I’m missing?
Thanks in advance!

Hugh says:
July 1, 2010 12:25 PM
TO ALL VICK DEFENDERS: PLEASE HELP!!
I’m trying to become the blond blue eyed “racist whitey” devil that you claim I am. I really am trying. I want to hate Vick for just being black. I work hard at it every day.
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If you can convince yourself that Vick is/was a great quarterback, you’re half way there.

Most of you posters still do not understand a simple fact of the shooting. It did not take place IN the club. If Vick had stayed in the club, THEN he would have an alibi.
But he left the club and went out on the street in the direction where the shooting took place a couple of minutes later. Left the club and went right to where the shooting took place at just the right time. Why can’t people understand this?
Stay in club = alibi.
Leave club, go down street where shooting takes place = suspect.

And Jon, one more thing.
On one post you used the word “dwelled” when it appears you meant “delved.” And another post you used “sit” when obviously you meant “sift.”
We should start a pool on whom the next convicted felon you will eagerly defend will be after Roger Goodell runs this punk out of town.

highplainsdrifter says: July 1, 2010 8:45 AM – For those of us attorneys that are also members of PFT …
Is our lawyers learning? Apparently not.[D]id you ever stop to think that Mr. Woodward actually advised Vick to stay quiet and he ignored him and did it anyways[?] Granted if [Woodward] failed to cover his bases before letting him speak to the police then it was not a smart maneuver…[Woodward] also could have been relying on what Vick and others around him had told him. Again, not necessarily the smartest path. The point is, [this] is Mr. Woodward’s livelihood. [T]ry to refrain from comment when you don’t know all of the facts. Especially when you are hinting at someone’s professional intelligence.
This is either the sharpest, funniest parody of self-irony I’ve ever read (at PFT) or the dullest, most insipid example of stupidity at same.
utFlorio’s “point” — as you’ve aptly demonstrated — is “Mr. Woodward” failed himself and his client by not “knowing all the facts” before he:
a) mistakenly & incompetently allowed his client to speak with police;
b) publicly, irrevocably & incompetently further compounded said mistake(s) by publicly, irrevocably & incompetently emphasizing, stating, re-emphasizing and restating false or inaccurate testimony to defend his client.
Perjury may be a term of art. Likewise hari-kiri as performance art.
But attorneys hung by cretinous tongues?
Just an everyday, ‘ol fashioned Looney Tune cartoon.

We should start a pool on which the next convicted felon you will eagerly defend will be after Roger Goodell runs this punk out of town.
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Typically when people are beaten on the internet they fall back to attacking typos/grammar in an attempt to change the topic. It’s a typical defense mechanism on the internet.
As I posted in another thread.. Sigh I am not here to write as if I would in class or at work. I am simply pumping out 90 wpm and getting things down. I don’t backspace much and sigh, I don’t need to explain.
Fact of the matter is, stay on topic. That topic is this
There is no new news, Media reports are starting to conflict with each other when trying to “convict” Vick in the media,. I am 100% right about the situation and will still be 100% right in the end.
In-between doesn’t matter =)

BTW a strong example of this is how Florio makes the assumption that Vicks status has changed! as well as other media reports. The problem is, they are simply playing word games to make a story out of nothing.
If anyone goes and reads everything the police said regarding Vick.. it shows they are simply tired of the Media barking down their door simply because of who Vick is wanting to know everything about his involvement. They simply are keeping their mouth shut because they don’t want to do anything thats going to be flipped 50 times in the media and made into something it isnt.

You can now judge intent from written documents?
Wow, now I am super-duper sure you are not a lawyer.
And now, I am in favor of Chris Christie choking off funds to Rutgers.
You see, my NJ business pays for that school. So I paid for you to sit there and learn nothing, if what you say is true.
And I am probably paying for you to sit and not work and type all day about things you know nothing about.
And if Rutgers produced a clown like you, it isn’t worth the investment.
What a waste of resources.

Jon Evans says:
again look at moochs post? he didnt post anything regarding Vick being convicted of anything. Far as I’m concerned, Its just unproven nonsense and no different then if I started spewing non sense about any of you.
As I have stated many times, show me CONVICTION. until then. you have nothing.
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So in your opinion, O.J. was innocent and unfairly persecuted by a corrupt legal system?