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Senator Rand Paul, supported by a number of other congressmen, has demanded that the 28 pages of the 9/11 Commission Report that explored the Saudi Arabian role in the terrorist attack be made public. The redacted section of the report, which apparently concluded that the Saudi government itself played no direct role in 9/11, nevertheless contained considerable evidence suggesting that wealthy Saudis and even members of the Royal Family had been supporting and funding al-Qaeda. Some who have actually read the 28 pages were reported to be shocked by what was revealed.

Recent comments by presidential aspirant Donald Trump indicating that he was aware of people celebrating the terrorist attack in New Jersey, whom he described as “Muslims” numbering in their thousands, might well be regarded as misremembering events that took place over fourteen years ago. Or it could just possibly be part of a deliberate scheme to establish a false narrative that would fit nicely with Trump’s stated desire to surveil mosques, waterboard suspects and subject all Muslims to extraordinary scrutiny by the police.

The Trump over-the-top comments were greeting with disbelief and debunked by many media pundits. They were even denounced by some Republicans competing with him for the GOP nomination. But what is really astonishing about the reaction was the failure to connect the dots with what actually happened on 9/11. There were indeed people celebrating as the Twin Towers were burning and collapsing, but they were not Muslims. They were Israelis.

If the Saudi role in 9/11 is still classified secret it is regrettable, but the Israeli role, insofar as can be determined, was never seriously investigated at all and any conclusions, if there were any, were never included in the final report. This time around with the story being resurfaced by Trump one would think that a journalist or two just might be able to make the connection and realize that Donald may have actually been referring to a reported incident involving Israelis rather than Arabs and that he is possibly confusing one with the other.

But of course no one in the mainstream media did pick up on the connection, inhibited no doubt by the understanding that there are some things that one just does not write about Israel if one hopes to remain employed. That is true in spite of the fact that the Israeli angle to 9/11 is without a doubt a good story, one that has never been satisfactorily explored, but it is a tale that will have to remain mired in the alternative media where it can be marginalized by critics as a conspiracy theory or the product of anti-Semitism.

So for the benefit of Mr. Trump and for anyone else who might be interested, I will take it upon myself to relate what happened. Quite possibly Senator Paul will read this and decide that giving billions of dollars in aid annually to a country that just might have been linked to what occurred on 9/11 might no longer be a good idea. He might even demand an inquiry or a commission to look into it and determine what exactly the U.S. government does and does not know. That would be very interesting.

In the year 2001 Israel was running a massive spying operation directed against Muslims either resident or traveling in the United States. The operation included the creation of a number of cover companies in New Jersey, Florida and also on the west coast that served as spying mechanisms for Mossad officers. The effort was supported by the Mossad Station in Washington D.C. and included a large number of volunteers, the so-called “art students” who traveled around the U.S. selling various products at malls and outdoor markets. The FBI was aware of the numerous Israeli students who were routinely overstaying their visas and some in the Bureau certainly believed that they were assisting their country’s intelligence service in some way, but it proved difficult to actually link the students to actual undercover operations, so they were regarded as a minor nuisance and were normally left to the tender mercies of the inspectors at the Bureau of Customs and Immigration.

American law enforcement was also painfully aware that the Israelis were running more sophisticated intelligence operations inside the United States, many of which were focused on Washington’s military capabilities and intentions. Some specialized intelligence units concentrated on obtaining military and dual use technology. It was also known that Israeli spies had penetrated the phone systems of the U.S. government, to include those at the White House.

In its annual classified counterespionage review, the FBI invariably places Israel at the top for “friendly” countries that spy on the U.S. In fact, the pre-9/11 Bureau did its best to stay on top of the problem, but it rarely received any political support from the Justice Department and White House if an espionage case involved Israelis. By one estimate, more than 100 such cases were not prosecuted for political reasons. Any Israeli caught in flagrante would most often be quietly deported and most Americans who were helping Israel were let off with a slap on the wrist.

But the hands-off attitude towards Israel shifted dramatically when, on September 11, 2001, a New Jersey housewife saw something from the window of her apartment building, which overlooked the World Trade Center. She watched as the buildings burned and crumbled but also noted something strange. Three young men were kneeling on the roof of a white transit van parked by the water’s edge, making a movie in which they featured themselves high fiving and laughing in front of the catastrophic scene unfolding behind them. The woman wrote down the license plate number of the van and called the police, who responded quickly and soon both the local force and the FBI began looking for the vehicle, which was subsequently seen by other witnesses in various locations along the New Jersey waterfront, its occupants “celebrating and filming.”

The license plate number revealed that the van belonged to a New Jersey registered company called Urban Moving Systems. At 4 p.m. the vehicle was spotted and pulled over. Five men between the ages of 22 and 27 years old emerged. They were detained at gunpoint and handcuffed. They were all Israelis. One of them had $4,700 in cash hidden in his sock and another had two foreign passports. Bomb sniffing dogs reacted to the smell of explosives in the van.

According to the initial police report, the driver identified as Sivan Kurzberg, stated “We are Israeli. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are the problem.” The four other passengers were Sivan’s brother Paul, Yaron Shmuel, Oded Ellner and Omer Marmari. The men were detained at the Bergen County jail in New Jersey before being transferred the FBI’s Foreign Counterintelligence Section, which handles allegations of spying.

After the arrest, the FBI obtained a warrant to search Urban Moving System’s Weehawken, N.J., offices. Papers and computers were seized. The company owner Dominick Suter, also an Israeli, answered FBI questions but when a follow-up interview was set up a few days later it was learned that he had fled the country for Israel, putting both his business and home up for sale. The office space and warehouse were abandoned. It was later learned that Suter has been associated with at least fourteen businesses in the United States, mostly in New Jersey and New York but also in Florida. Suter and his wife Omit Levinson Suter were the owners of 1 Stop Cleaner located in Wellington Florida and Dominick was also associated with Basia McDonnell, described as a Polish “holocaust survivor,” as a business partner in yet another business called Value Ad. Florida was a main focus for the Israeli intelligence operation in the U.S. that was directed against Arabs.

The five Israelis were held in Brooklyn, initially on charges relating to visa fraud. FBI interrogators questioned them for more than two months. Several were held in solitary confinement so they could not communicate with each other and two of them were given repeated polygraph exams, which they failed when claiming that they were nothing more than students working summer jobs. The two men that the FBI focused on most intensively were believed to be Mossad staff officers and the other three were volunteers helping with surveillance.

The Israelis were not exactly cooperative, but the FBI concluded from documents obtained at their office in Weehawken that they were targeting Arabs in New York and New Jersey, most particularly in the Paterson N.J. area, which has the second largest Muslim population in the U.S. They were particularly interested in local groups possibly linked to Hamas and Hezbollah as well as in charities that might be used for fund raising. The FBI also concluded that there was a distinct possibility that the Israelis had actually monitored the activities of at least two of the 9/11 hijackers.

To be sure, working on an intelligence operation does not necessarily imply participation in either the planning or execution of something like 9/11, but there are Israeli fingerprints all over the place, with cover companies and intelligence personnel often intersecting with locations frequented by the hijackers. And even possessing bits and pieces relating to the plot does not necessarily imply significant prior knowledge of it.

Apart from the interrogations of the five men from Weehawken, the U.S. government has apparently never sought to find out what else the Israelis might have known or were up to in September 2011. There are a lot a dots that might well have been connected once upon a time, but the trail has grown cold. Police records in New Jersey and New York where the men were held have disappeared and FBI interrogation reports are inaccessible. Media coverage of the case also died, though the five were referred to in the press as the “dancing Israelis” and by some, more disparagingly, as the “dancing Shlomos.”

Inevitably, the George W. Bush White House intervened. After 71 days in detention, the five Israelis were released from prison, put on a plane, and deported. Two of the men later spoke about their unpleasant experience in America on an Israeli talk show, one explaining that their filming the fall of the Twin Towers was to “document the event.” In 2004 the five men sued the United States government for damages, alleging “that their detention was illegal and that their civil rights were violated, suffering racial slurs, physical violence, religious discrimination, rough interrogations, deprivation of sleep, and many other offenses.” They were represented by Nitsana Darshan-Leitner, who in the previous year had founded the Shurat HaDin Israel Law Center which seeks to bankrupt groups that Israel considers to be “terrorists.” Shurat HaDin is closely tied to the Israeli government.

Now it is just possible that the Urban Moving Israelis were indeed uninvolved in 9/11 but nevertheless working for Mossad, which one has to suspect is the case. More than fourteen years later it is perhaps past time to reveal what exactly the FBI knew and currently knows about both the scale and modus operandi of Israeli espionage in the United States. Did Israel have critical intelligence either in broad outline or possibly in specific detail about 9/11 and let it happen to bind Washington more closely to it in a “global war on terror?” If Senator Rand Paul wants to learn more about the Saudis, it is fair to ask “What about Israel?” If Donald Trump wants to pillory fictional celebrating Muslims it is perhaps appropriate that he begin to take note of the actual celebrating Israelis who were caught in the act on 9/11.

go ahead Sam and Sherman, please tell us how this isn’t so. We’re all ‘ears’

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Here’s a good break down of the dancing not-Muslim peoples from a certain not-to-be-named-in-connection-with-9/11-country in the middle east- watch the whole doc, I’d suggest, but the particular info is from appx the 14 min to 30 min mark:

What's the melting point of steel? What's the maximum combustion temperature obtained in an atmosphere of 21% oxygen at 1 bar of pressure? Paul Craig Roberts calls it an "energy deficit".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Td7bvj9ddJw

Thanks for posting the great video Colinjames. I started off at the 14 min mark to see the part about the dancing Israelis but after I watched that section, I ended up starting from the beginning and watched the whole thing. I thought it extremely well done. I liked that he went after the misinformation videos like that Loose Change garbage and all the other assorted con-men. I also liked that he used tons of evidence to support the video like his use of Sibel Edmonds, the courageous FBI whistleblower whom Mr. Giraldi has previously written about, whose story should be especially relevant and significant to people in lieu of all that is going on with Turkey nowadays. Thanks again and I'll be suggesting that video to others because it's hard to find docs that deal with such a serious matter in such a thorough way.

Thanks for sharing. I was particularly taken with the statement from the FEMA worker, Tom Kennedy, while he was being interviewed on the nightly news on September 12th 2001 (this can be seen in the video starting just before 39:00):

Tom (speaking gingerly): "To be honest with ya... we arrived Monday night [Sept 10] and went into action early Tuesday morning. And not until today[Sept 12th] did we go to work the full site.."

Anybody that looks into the 9/11 attacks knows that Israeli hands were all over it. But the Israelis are “those of whom we do not speak of.” No one dare say what they know to be true, that the 9/11 attacks were a Zionist operation start to finish; that the World Trade towers were blown up; that the war in Iraq was promoted by the same Zionist lobby: that the entire war on terror is a complete lie.

In George Orwell’s 1984 the motto for the Ministry of Truth is “war is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength.” I used to think…well… that is a fictional book and in real life you could never get people to believe anything so absurd. Wrong! The fact that the majority of people still believe the official narrative is a testament to the fact that you can get people to believe in far more ridiculous things than Orwell ever dreamed of.

All I can conclude from the story is that a bunch of Israelis were happy that US will now get into a endless war with Muslims and that is good for Israel. That seems like a reasonably good guess. After 9/11, countries that have been destroyed one way or other include , Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Pakistan, Yemen and will eventually likely include Somalia, Ethiopia, Sudan, Nigeria, Egypt and many others.

How these dancing Israelis were so sure that it was a terrorist act and that the perpetrators were Arabs? The CIA asset Ben Laden never took responsibility for the attack. How come that the Israelis were so well positioned to observe the destruction and to do the videotaping? Do you see any connection between the Israelis' joy and the Oded Yinon (PNAC) plan that since then has been implemented in the Middle East against the mostly civilian population in the formerly functioning Middle eastern states?
"Live by the sword, die by the sword."

Yes that is what we can conclude from the evidence, but it does live a lot of unanswered questions like how would they be there to document the attack?

One moral conclusion you can draw out of this is that Israel does not care about the US, Isrealis don't care about hundreds dying, they celebrate it for what ever reason, so they should not be called allies but .... what's that word for people that take pleasure in others sufferings?

In 2004 the five men sued the United States government for damages, alleging “that their detention was illegal and that their civil rights were violated, suffering racial slurs, physical violence, religious discrimination, rough interrogations, deprivation of sleep, and many other offenses.”

Phil is not delivering any new information (that Raimondo of Antiwar.com has not summarized long ago). Therefore, there is no scoop here on Dancing Shlomos. But it is important to set the record straight who was dancing in New York.

Also, this article with initiate now for the millionth time all the evidence and “evidence” about 911.

Let me kick it off with a statement that the planes could not have brought down even the twin towers let alone WTC building 7. That was termite, military grade.

Termite -- even military grade termite -- is useless against steel and concrete. It is only effective against wooden structures. Special forces, rangers, and other commando type units carry termite only in conditions, such as jungle warfare, where wood and wood-related materials are the most common building materials. [See Special Forces Jungle Demolition Techniques, US Armed Forces Publication US-A-SF-1076.3, 2007 edition,]

Besides the money and the training and the motives behind the suicidal hijackings themselves, there’s the lingering matter of numerous eyewitness accounts by police and firemen which claimed “multiple explosions” at WTC before the two towers fell.

There are also simmering questions relating to the presence of thermite and melted steel at Ground Zero.

And there’s also at least one other extraordinary irregularity.

Unbeknownst to millions of Americans even today, a third NYC skyscraper fell on 9/11 despite the fact that this modern, steel structure was never hit by an airplane.

The 47-story-tall ‘Building 7′ collapsed into it own footprint at free-fall speed on the afternoon of Sept. 11th.

A structural failure of this magnitude has never been seen before or since.

This spectacular event was captured LIVE on film and has inspired a movement of architects and engineers (lead by Richard Gage, AIA) to ‘re-investigate 9/11′.

Oddly, the Commission that was created to officially investigate the details of 9/11 did not examine Building 7′s unique collapse. Curious, that.

Further, it must be acknowledged that many of the key investigators on the 9/11 Commission had either strong, personal ties to the State of Israel, or long and close affiliations with Israel’s lobby inside the United States. This inevitable bias is also applicable to many of America’s top news and entertainment executives. Thus, the thundering silence from NY to Hollywood over 911′s lingering ‘mysteries’.

To what extent then have political pressures influenced the ‘findings’ and ‘lessons’ of 9/11?

Was there a conflict-of-interest in play among some of the key investigators inside the 9/11 Commission itself?

These persistent, unanswered questions suggest an even greater ‘who-done-it’.

Who will finally unravel and distill the story behind the incremental hijacking of America’s ruling class?

"Further, it must be acknowledged that many of the key investigators on the 9/11 Commission had either strong, personal ties to the State of Israel, or long and close affiliations with Israel's lobby inside the United States. This inevitable bias is also applicable to many of America's top news and entertainment executives. Thus, the thundering silence from NY to Hollywood over 911's lingering 'mysteries.'"

Oddly, the Commission that was created to officially investigate the details of 9/11 did not examine Building 7′s unique collapse. Curious, that.

Nothing odd about it, at all. The 9/11 Commission was not tasked to officially investigate the details of any of the three towers that collapsed that day, 1 WTC, 2 WTC, 7 WTC. That investigation was left to NIST, National Institute of Standards and Technology, which indeed investigated the details of the collapse of all three buildings, including 7 WTC.

btw - when I did a search of 7 WTC in the official 9/11 Commission Report, it came back with five hits.

The truth regarding 9/11 has no doubt been stated, but most people, including me, wouldn't be able to identify it as such even if we heard it (and many of us may not have).

The matter will never be settled, any more than the explosion of the Hindenburg (in 1937) or a thousand other such (incendiary, most of them) matters ever will be.

Every explanation, including the correct one, is a conspiracy theory. Most truths, most errors, and most lies always are. You have a wide choice of what to believe, if you dare, or manage to, believe anything truly explanatory.

When we get the truth about JFK's assassination, we'll be on the track to get at the truth about 9/11. Not the "same" people, but the "same" dynamic of Deep State interests creating a catastrophe that lurches the US government in an entirely new direction, one that bamboozles citizens and politicians (those not on on the plot) alike. It is the demand for the truth that must be strengthened in teh USA. Also the stomach to stomach the truth.

Any individuals, who have set up a “movie camera” to film an event before it occurs…clearly have “apriori” knowledge of the event or its inevitability…….

If the event is a premeditated crime , like a robbery or a murder, failure to notify the police, of its impending nature would make you an accessory to the crime….No?

In the event that the crime is the greatest terrorist attack perpetrated against the United States since Pearl Harbor… failure to notify the FBI of its impending nature would make you an accessory to a terrorist act .

Any attempts by any newspaper, news organization, lobbying group, foreign country , or individual to impede, obfuscate , disavow ,or cover up the reality of this occurrence would make them an accessory, after the fact ,also .

Considering the United States is nearly “insolvent” from spending untold trillions of dollars of future generations of Americans tax money, fighting the heroic war on terror…don’t we owe it to them to at least get the facts right ?

I don’t really care if they were Muslims, Israeli’s, or “Grandma’s from Savannah”..

I say ” If you can’t do a “terrorists ” time…..don’t set up to film a ‘terrorists” crime !

Prior knowledge and failure to tell the police does not make a person an accessory to the crime at common law. The ethics/morality is obviously arguable depending on your moral premises/assumptions.

On the facts: setting up a movie camera might take very little time at all. It is only if it was set up facing the twin towers before the first tower was hit that the timing would be significant.

The high fiving might be more than you would expect of callous movie makers who have just scored some saleable footage but it isn't what you'd expect of professionals in the intelligence business or even sidekicks who were at a level to have been let in on the great conspiracy or knowledge of others' conspiracy.

Clearly noisy demonstrative filming of the event in a public place was no part of any Mossad plan or one it was monitoring. OK they may have been let down by amateurs which led to quick smart departure of their handlers. Even so, it is hard to believe that there was any precise knowledge by Mossad, or the Israeli government, of what was being planned, let alone any anticipation that some 3000 people were going to be killed, that the twin towers would collapse after being struck high up by aircraft or that large numbers of well connected Jews in financial firms were going to die because of actions that Israel could have prevented.

That's not to say that Mossad didn't know a lot more than the FBI and didn't anticipate with satisfaction a terrorist outrage by ME Muslims which would further Israel's interest in moving the US to military action. But that doesn't even get you all the way to PG's suspicions.

You are neglecting to wrap your brain around the jewish predilection to demonstrate their world famous, and extremely infuriating habit of 'chutzpah', Mr. Gross.

A case in point - and exhibit A for the prosecution: 'Lucky' Larry Silverstein. This arrogant and chutzpahetic slab of Satan's seed had the gall to take out insurance policies on the WTC towers just a few short months before the September 11, 2001 attacks and he specifically demanded that his insurance policies covered 'acts of terrorism'.

If we were living in a normal nation, one that had not been thoroughly corrupted, subverted, and poisoned by jewish influence and domination, anyone who took out insurance policies a few months before a huge terrorist attack on a building that they owned and insisted that the policies cover 'acts of terrorism' - would have generated enormous levels of suspicion and would have been grounds for an extensive insurance fraud investigation. Also, Silverstein was not merely content with receiving a single insurance payout - he had the gonads to demand that he be paid as if these three WTC towers were victims of separate acts of terrorism and the SOB actually pulled that scam off. Clearly, Silverstein had prior knowledge of the coming 9-11 attacks and he saw that as an opportunity to butt rape his insurance company. And, to make sure he was able to succeed in his insurance scam, he received a little help from Michael Bernard Mukasey, who was strategically positioned as Attorney General at the very time the Silverstein insurance dispute was working its way through the courts. Mukasey, if you haven't guessed, is also a Son of Israel. Tribal networking, Tribal thinking, Tribal cooperation - is the name of the game - and no race of people do it more effectively than the 'tribe'.

Thus, when these Israelis were trying to sue the US Government after appearing on that Israeli TV program and admitting that they were 'there to document the event' - it was just another example of the chutzpah that Israelis are famous for demonstrating. Not only did they engineer the biggest and most deadly act of terrorism against the USA in American history - but the arrogant SOBs even made every effort they could think up to find a way to profit off of it.

Agree that there are serious questions that need to be answered vis possible prior knowledge of the 9/11 plot by Israeli intelligence and how far that knowledge may have penetrated. Unfortunately, the conversation always gets hijacked by fruitcakes advocating nonsense like the demolition theory or the ordered-by-Israel theory, who really do belong on the yellow sites. But little instances like the Dancing Israelis really do suggest that somebody close to the source knew and got excited enough to blab about it.

If Mossad operatives were acting in a manner that indicated foreknowledge of the attacks, or disseminating such foreknowledge to someone who could repeat it on Odigo instant messaging, it speaks of poor discipline under the needs-to-know principle. The five Israelis killed in the WTC attack were apparently not privileged to such information. Maybe the "art students" recruited to spy on Muslims were a less professional, nuttier bunch than those who spy on the US government.

That there were Israelis in this country that celebrated has been known for quite some time. There are also Mossad agents in this country, just we have agents in Israel. I firmly believe Mossad knew what was being planned and said nothing to us about it. Just as with the attack on the Liberty, the Israelis really aren't our friends, although they have been dependent upon us for aid and military equipment.

And, no, I don't think our foreign policy is owned by the Israelis or the Israel lobby. It has been in our interest to support them. We get drawn into certain conflicts because of the incompetency of so much of the foreign policy establishment. We've seen this off and on throughout my adult life. Carter, Clinton, and Obama have been pretty egregious on this count. Bush I gave us the first Iraq because of an idiot in one of our embassies and Saddam thought we were his friend because of our support during the Iran-Iraq war.

Several years ago I searched the Lexus nexis database to find news paper articles about this event. I found some and for what it’s worth I’ve kept them for posterity. Frankly I disbelieve the conventional story about September 11th.

The celebrating Muslims were not fictional. Hatred of the US is extremely widespread. You’re a complete naif if you don’t understand that people all over the world, especially Muslims, got a lot of pleasure from 9/11.

The Sauds were intimately involved with Al Qaeda, but this is not exactly shocking. Since the hijackers were Saudi and Osama Bin Laden is from the Saudi elite.

The rest of the article is mostly just rumour. You repeat the bit about the Israeli saying on TV that he was there to document 9/11 as if that is a good point in your favour. It is not, it is the opposite. First, it suggests that you don’t speak a second language and second, if I committed a momentous crime I wouldn’t randomly admit to it on TV, would you? Indeed had I any foreknowledge of it I would be extremely careful with what I said on TV and he wasn’t, he just has non native English.

One lady, from a distance, perceived 5 Israeli semi-vagrants (if you were younger and travelled in places like SE Asia, you’d know what I mean) to be celebrating. You have spun up anow entire theory from this. Isn’t that nuts?

As I said on another thread. If the Israelis were as nefarious as you want them to be and if they were as cohesive and capable as your fevered dreams imagine them then they would not be setting up a group linked to Afghanistan. They would set up one of the hundreds of groups linked to Palestine. As the Israeli himself said in your article!

Furthermore if the plan was some ridiculously long timeline effort to convert a random blue sky think piece from the 80s into reality (Oded Yinon) then don’t you think that the invasion of Afghanistan, which lasted much longer than Iraq, counts against you. What could that country possibly have to do with Israel?

This is a very poor quality article, written in Giraldi’s normal style of confidently put assertion with no logic or substance to back it up. What evidence there is gets followed by ridiculous non sequiturs and outright dishonesty.

For those who are unaware, I had a few exchanges with this character and it culminated with this comment:

Wow, with that response, I can definitely say you certainly are someone who is desperately seeking the truth. If you are not already in politics, may I suggest you pursue that as a possible career path, as you’ve provided a smashing demonstration of “spinning the truth.”

Could you also do me a favour, could you demonstrate your unique skill set by putting forward your best arguments that:

The world is flat?
The sun revolves around the earth?
The universe is only 6 thousand years old?

Hello, fool. The woman did not see five Israeli vagrants. How in the hell would she know they were Israeli? She saw five males behaving in what she thought was a very suspicious manner
And did the correct thing in calling the police.

How dare you try to bring these cuckoo posters down to earth and down to reality! Idiot chile Obama blames everything on global warming while Giraldi's groupies blame everything on the Jews. Those Jewish-Zionist mind rays are turned on 24-7, frying every Muslim and Christian brain on this planet. No Muslim or Christian has agency because there are always Zio-Jews pulling their strings.

BTW My take is Mr Giraldi is only half serious here but decided to toss out some red meat to the anti-Zio base. All bloggers do this from time to time.

In 1967, Israel murdered 34 American sailors and were allowed to get away with it.
When they realised they had this impunity, they went on to do it again and again.
The result was 9/11, when they murdered 3,000.

Moslems were shown "celebrating" on 9/11.
They were celebrating the release of some Palestinian political prisoners from Israeli jails.

Israel is a rogue terrorist state, a racist apartheid regime with weapons of mass destruction.
"We control America, we control Congress, we control the media, we control everything......" - Israeli government spokesman.

On another point, it is hilarious that so many of you think that the media is out to get Muslims when Trump says one thing and the entire media goes nuts to try and prove him wrong.

Also you try and have it both ways. On one hand you say that Muslims have every right to feel aggrieved with America and the you say that it is impossible that they would celebrate America’s misfortune. Which is it?

The celebrating Muslims were not fictional. Hatred of the US is extremely widespread. You're a complete naif if you don't understand that people all over the world, especially Muslims, got a lot of pleasure from 9/11.

The Sauds were intimately involved with Al Qaeda, but this is not exactly shocking. Since the hijackers were Saudi and Osama Bin Laden is from the Saudi elite.

The rest of the article is mostly just rumour. You repeat the bit about the Israeli saying on TV that he was there to document 9/11 as if that is a good point in your favour. It is not, it is the opposite. First, it suggests that you don't speak a second language and second, if I committed a momentous crime I wouldn't randomly admit to it on TV, would you? Indeed had I any foreknowledge of it I would be extremely careful with what I said on TV and he wasn't, he just has non native English.

One lady, from a distance, perceived 5 Israeli semi-vagrants (if you were younger and travelled in places like SE Asia, you'd know what I mean) to be celebrating. You have spun up anow entire theory from this. Isn't that nuts?

As I said on another thread. If the Israelis were as nefarious as you want them to be and if they were as cohesive and capable as your fevered dreams imagine them then they would not be setting up a group linked to Afghanistan. They would set up one of the hundreds of groups linked to Palestine. As the Israeli himself said in your article!

Furthermore if the plan was some ridiculously long timeline effort to convert a random blue sky think piece from the 80s into reality (Oded Yinon) then don't you think that the invasion of Afghanistan, which lasted much longer than Iraq, counts against you. What could that country possibly have to do with Israel?

This is a very poor quality article, written in Giraldi's normal style of confidently put assertion with no logic or substance to back it up. What evidence there is gets followed by ridiculous non sequiturs and outright dishonesty.

Who is paying you? Or has senility come early.

Who is paying you? Or has senility come early.

To be fair, the question is who is paying you?

For those who are unaware, I had a few exchanges with this character and it culminated with this comment:

Wow, with that response, I can definitely say you certainly are someone who is desperately seeking the truth. If you are not already in politics, may I suggest you pursue that as a possible career path, as you’ve provided a smashing demonstration of “spinning the truth.”

Could you also do me a favour, could you demonstrate your unique skill set by putting forward your best arguments that:

The world is flat?
The sun revolves around the earth?
The universe is only 6 thousand years old?

“So, what do you think will happen now?” The question was posed by the taller of two young Israelis, my sole companions in this section of Liberty State Park on the Jersey City side of the Hudson River, the morning of September 11, 2001.

“Everything has changed,” I replied, unaware that the same phrase was simultaneously forming on the lips of millions around the globe.

“Yes, everything has changed,” said the Israeli, looking not at all displeased. He turned to resume taking photos of the greatsmoking space that had been the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center, and of the huge, low cloud that drifted across New York Bay to Brooklyn.

My fellow witnesses to the collapse of the second tower were already positioned at the riverbank when I arrived at the scene on foot after having rushed past police who blocked all vehicular entrance to the park. The athletic, military age duo were clicking away with two very expensive-looking cameras. They spoke excitedly to each other in Hebrew – a language I instantly recognized from my two decades as a Manhattanite – but clumsily claimed to be
“Polish” when I asked where they were from. I pretended to believe they were visitors from Poland.

Donald Trump is no fool. He made that statement to join the rest of 16 or so presidential hopefuls to sleep with the powerful Jewish Lobby and get the support of all those White racists who want an America without Natives, Blacks and especially Muslims who carry hatred of Zionists occupying Palestine.

I just read David Cole’s recent rant at Taki’s magazine in which claimed that 9/11 attack was celebrated in Berlin streets by Muslim Turk-German citizen. He was trying to support Putin’s claim that Turkey is main force behind ISIS – not ISIS mother, the US-Israel.

Now, if you believe that David Cole is as smart as Putin – think twice …. nor five times. David Cole who is Jewish and a blind supporters of the Zionist regime, claimed in February 2015: “Holocaust is based on Fakes, Forgeries and Frauds”.

Winston Churchill said that on the night after Pearl Harbor he “went to bed and slept the sleep of the saved and thankful.” I expect that joyful would be an accurate word, but not politically appropriate.

I do not doubt that many Israelis felt thankful after 9/11. That would be a normal reaction of someone facing an existential threat.

People are going to have lots of opinions, but citing the fact that Israelis felt relief or even joy that the US was having to face reality is not support for conspiracy theories, IMO.

According to the initial police report, the driver identified as Sivan Kurzberg, stated “We are Israeli. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are the problem.”

While this statement reveals a little tunnel vision in narrowly referring to “Palestinians”, it is not unreasonable.

I'm afraid you have not been fully apprised of the full extent of the FBI's knowledge of the Dancing Israeli's and "Urban Moving Systems". The FBI's own documents show that Israeli spies were shadowing the actual 911 hijackers. Ryan Dawson has documented all of this more thoroughly than anyone else I know of:

nevertheless contained considerable evidence suggesting that wealthy Saudis and even members of the Royal Family had been supporting and funding al-Qaeda. Some who have actually read the 28 pages were reported to be shocked by what was revealed.

Well since Al Qaeda has been financed with US and Saudi money since the it’s creation in Afghanistan that certainly makes sense. The idea that the US could raise a pit viper and always be able to grab it right behind it’s head to avoid getting bit was always a bit silly.

Anybody who lives in the NYC metropolitan area knows that Israelis have a niche in owning moving companies. Some of these companies are established and licensed and legit. Others are a bit shady and are likely run by young Israelis just out of the army who are overstaying their visas trying to earn a little cash.

The moving company noted in this article was clearly in the latter category.

To state that these movers had connections to Israeli intelligence doesn’t mean much. Nobody denies that these guys were IDF veterans and just about every member of the Israeli military has some connection to Israeli intelligence.

If these guys were indeed laughing at the sight of the WTC collapsing I would attribute to immaturity and shock. I mean, I was in NYC at the time and my office had a clear view of the towers. People were so stunned they didn’t know what to say or how to react. There were plenty of stupid comments and even some morbid and inappropriate jokes going around.

I highly doubt these dudes were part of some top secret Mossad operation as the Israelis are smart enough not to put boneheads like this in charge of such a critical mission.

You're absolutely clueless. That the Dancing Israelis had foreknowledge of the 911 disaster was very well proven by documents provided by our own FBI:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgE-hGNy2W0

The FBI interviewed multiple eye witnesses that saw the Dancing Israelis setting up to film the event prior to the planes actually hitting the towers. The first eyewitness, the one who called in to police, states that she actually saw them first just 5 minutes after the first plane hit. Urban Moving Systems is located much further away than 5 minutes from the site at which they were filming. Not only this, but they actually changed their positions at one point to get a line of sight so that they could film both buildings getting hit by the planes. All 5 Israeli's were interrogated and failed their lie detector tests. The 5 also all contradicted one another in their nervous retelling to police about what they had done. And all 5 "employees" of Urban Moving Systems had multiple passports to different countries and all had scheduled "vacations" on the day after 911. They were fleeing the country. One of 5, the youngest actually broke down crying during interrogation, retook the lie detectors test and actually passed. His interrogation was the most damning.

All of this gets much, much worse. An Urban Moving Systems van was even pulled over just 2 1/2 miles from the Shanksville, PA crash site of Flight 93. This also has been documented by the authorities as explained in this video:

In 2004 the five men sued the United States government for damages, alleging “that their detention was illegal and that their civil rights were violated, suffering racial slurs, physical violence, religious discrimination, rough interrogations, deprivation of sleep, and many other offenses.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chutzpah.

Phil is not delivering any new information (that Raimondo of Antiwar.com has not summarized long ago). Therefore, there is no scoop here on Dancing Shlomos. But it is important to set the record straight who was dancing in New York.

Also, this article with initiate now for the millionth time all the evidence and "evidence" about 911.

Let me kick it off with a statement that the planes could not have brought down even the twin towers let alone WTC building 7. That was termite, military grade.

And where might that “military grade thermite” have come from in the amount needed? Frankly, the assertion is worse than silly.

Besides the money and the training and the motives behind the suicidal hijackings themselves, there's the lingering matter of numerous eyewitness accounts by police and firemen which claimed "multiple explosions" at WTC before the two towers fell.

There are also simmering questions relating to the presence of thermite and melted steel at Ground Zero.

And there's also at least one other extraordinary irregularity.

Unbeknownst to millions of Americans even today, a third NYC skyscraper fell on 9/11 despite the fact that this modern, steel structure was never hit by an airplane.

The 47-story-tall 'Building 7' collapsed into it own footprint at free-fall speed on the afternoon of Sept. 11th.

A structural failure of this magnitude has never been seen before or since.

This spectacular event was captured LIVE on film and has inspired a movement of architects and engineers (lead by Richard Gage, AIA) to 're-investigate 9/11'.

Oddly, the Commission that was created to officially investigate the details of 9/11 did not examine Building 7's unique collapse. Curious, that.

Further, it must be acknowledged that many of the key investigators on the 9/11 Commission had either strong, personal ties to the State of Israel, or long and close affiliations with Israel's lobby inside the United States. This inevitable bias is also applicable to many of America's top news and entertainment executives. Thus, the thundering silence from NY to Hollywood over 911's lingering 'mysteries'.

To what extent then have political pressures influenced the 'findings' and 'lessons' of 9/11?

Was there a conflict-of-interest in play among some of the key investigators inside the 9/11 Commission itself?

These persistent, unanswered questions suggest an even greater 'who-done-it'.

Who will finally unravel and distill the story behind the incremental hijacking of America's ruling class?

We know what brought the twin towers down. Building 7 is a different matter. That one still strikes me as strange and have never seen what I regard as a reasonable explanation of it.

I have seen an account which seemed plausible. It was all about the critical temperature being reached in the steel frame and that took most of the day in the absence of great quantities of aviation fuel carried into the heart of the building.

You can find video of Building 7 showing the damage to the lower three levels, starting at one corner and digging way in to the load-bearing supports. With the fire and heat and metal-weakening, that's what ended it.

In 2004 the five men sued the United States government for damages, alleging “that their detention was illegal and that their civil rights were violated, suffering racial slurs, physical violence, religious discrimination, rough interrogations, deprivation of sleep, and many other offenses.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chutzpah.

Phil is not delivering any new information (that Raimondo of Antiwar.com has not summarized long ago). Therefore, there is no scoop here on Dancing Shlomos. But it is important to set the record straight who was dancing in New York.

Also, this article with initiate now for the millionth time all the evidence and "evidence" about 911.

Let me kick it off with a statement that the planes could not have brought down even the twin towers let alone WTC building 7. That was termite, military grade.

“That was termite, military grade.”

Termite — even military grade termite — is useless against steel and concrete. It is only effective against wooden structures. Special forces, rangers, and other commando type units carry termite only in conditions, such as jungle warfare, where wood and wood-related materials are the most common building materials. [See Special Forces Jungle Demolition Techniques, US Armed Forces Publication US-A-SF-1076.3, 2007 edition,]

Termite can be defeated with Driver Army.
"...soldier termites spring into action, slicing their smaller opponents in half with a snap of their powerful jaws."
http://theantroom.blogspot.com/2007/11/master-of-killer-ants-on-nova-next.html

Thermite will burn through steel. See my earlier response on the matter. To do what a Thermite Grenade will do to a steel hull, however, requires long exposure from something like a thermite grenade. It would require massive amounts of very hard to handle thermite to have brought those buildings down. The Jet A the aircraft carried as fuel would, however, do the job with the length of exposure we saw.

Anybody who lives in the NYC metropolitan area knows that Israelis have a niche in owning moving companies. Some of these companies are established and licensed and legit. Others are a bit shady and are likely run by young Israelis just out of the army who are overstaying their visas trying to earn a little cash.

The moving company noted in this article was clearly in the latter category.

To state that these movers had connections to Israeli intelligence doesn't mean much. Nobody denies that these guys were IDF veterans and just about every member of the Israeli military has some connection to Israeli intelligence.

If these guys were indeed laughing at the sight of the WTC collapsing I would attribute to immaturity and shock. I mean, I was in NYC at the time and my office had a clear view of the towers. People were so stunned they didn't know what to say or how to react. There were plenty of stupid comments and even some morbid and inappropriate jokes going around.

I highly doubt these dudes were part of some top secret Mossad operation as the Israelis are smart enough not to put boneheads like this in charge of such a critical mission.

If these guys were indeed laughing at the sight of the WTC collapsing I would attribute to immaturity and shock.

In 2004 the five men sued the United States government for damages, alleging “that their detention was illegal and that their civil rights were violated, suffering racial slurs, physical violence, religious discrimination, rough interrogations, deprivation of sleep, and many other offenses.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chutzpah.

Phil is not delivering any new information (that Raimondo of Antiwar.com has not summarized long ago). Therefore, there is no scoop here on Dancing Shlomos. But it is important to set the record straight who was dancing in New York.

Also, this article with initiate now for the millionth time all the evidence and "evidence" about 911.

Let me kick it off with a statement that the planes could not have brought down even the twin towers let alone WTC building 7. That was termite, military grade.

Let me kick it off with a statement that the planes could not have brought down even the twin towers let alone WTC building 7. That was termite, military grade.

The military trained termites to chew down buildings? Possible, I guess, but wouldn’t it only work on wooden buildings?

That is so funny. The spelling correction Hasbara moron brigade is on the march. It is thermite not termite. But thermite works like a military brigade of steel eating termites, so I was not far off. I wonder who planted thermite or termite?

Maybe it had something to do with the dual citizen owner of the twin towers, who picked up a nice and tidy couple of billions of dollars in insurance for the buildings he would have had to demolish at his own huge expense (due to steel fatigue), or with Israeli students who rented a part of the building and stacked it up with strange cardboard boxes? Or with ... lots of other things which point towards Israel, not only the Dancing Shlomos.

Another Federal agency had positive proof of Mossad links to various groups of Israeli´s operating in the U.S. who were obviously involved in surveilling the 9/11 terrorists. The Israelis DID have advance knowledge of the plot and chose not to inform us; they may well have had controlled agents inside of the terrorist group guiding it. The FBI was presented with this indisputable intelligence on Israeli involvement and declined to investigate further, plainly stating that this was for domestic political reasons. There was an acrimonious exchange over the issue but in the end nothing happened. treason reached very high into the Bush Administration, and Wolfowitz, Perle, Feither and others of that ilk were the ringmasters.

"...treason reached very high into the Bush Administration, and Wolfowitz, Perle, Feith and others of that ilk were the ringmasters." Exactly. But see the smugness of the main architects and ideologists of the hollowing out the USA for the benefit of the "promised land." They are indeed untouchable. The control of MSM is quite complete. The only problem for the chosen is a relatively well armed Russian federation. Hence the visceral hatred by Zionists of RF and the outright indecency of the White House re Ukraine, Syria, and particularly, with regard to the recent tragedies in the air (SU-24 and the civilian plane with more than 200 people on board), which were most likely sponsored and arranged by the same Mossad/CIA scum.

Southern,
Are you unaware that Mossad operatives routinely dress and pose as Muslim terrorist? With one of their important functions being to produce staged videos and interviews during which they threaten death and destruction to the infidels in the West etc. etc. They do it all the time. Remember the fake Bin Laden tapes and interviews released just prior to Bush The Lessor's election to his 2nd term in office, even though his 1st 4 years had been an embarrassing failure. With these particular fake recording being produced and released just in time (about weeks prior to the election) to fool gullible American voters into boosting Bush's popularity just enough t get him elected to a 2nd term, which of course turned out to be more disastrous than his 1st term. With both of his terms serving as a god-send to Saturday Night Live and other such satirist and stand-up comedians whom he provided free of charge with laugh-lines that were far superior to any the most skillful writers of political satire could ever hope to produce. In fact, there is little doubt that Bush put practically all mediocre writers out of work, along with a majority of the best. With Sarah Palin completing the job 4 years later. So, the long and short of all this is that you can dismiss the "Muslim Terrorist" thing for the Mossad.CIA produced propaganda it is. In short, prior to 9/11, (and probably ever since) there were no Muslim terrorist being "tracked" by Mossad agents. Who, if anything would have been merely following them around to serve as guides and coaches on how to be effective fake terrorist. In summing up, allow yourself to absorb the reality that THERE WERE NO MUSLIM TERRORIST ON ANY OF THE FOUR AIRLINERS ON THE MORNING OF 9/11. That means none, zero, zilch.

The "hi-jacked" airliners were all ELECTRONALLY HI-JACKED by their on-board flight controllers having been re-programmed (probably by Mossad agents at airports where Israeli companies were in charge of security which included all four of the airports from which hi-jacked planes departed on 9/11) with programs consisting of digital commands that took control of the planes from the pilots and flew them precisely to exact GPS co-ordinates that would have included the Twin Towers. With a 3rd plane into the Pentagon. (All on-board flight controllers are nothing more than digital computers pre-programmed by flight engineers to fly, airliners with great accuracy (using GPS co-ordinances) to pin-point GPS location within the plane's flight range, determined primarily by how much fuel is on board the plane.) The 4th plane (flight 93) was supposed to have made a U-turn (as did the plane which hit the Pentagon) and return to strike Building #7 (which like the Twin Towers had been equipped long before 9/11 with proper demolition charges (along with a homing beacon that produce a radar beam called glide path radar that, with great precision controls airliners making final approaches airport run-ways with the pilot (except under emergency conditions) never touching the planes controls during approach. But during the event of 9/11 he planes simply the buildings just as they do when approaching run-ways. But in the case of Flight #93, things apparently did not work out as planned. With perhaps the pilots or flight engineer on the flight figuring-out a way to re-gain control of their plane. After which they would have landed at the nearest available airport as all pilots are instructed to do following emergencies on board. But of course that was not going to happen. Thus Dick Cheney, who had been left in charge at the White on 9/11 (while the bumbling idiot Bush was dispatched for obvious reasons to Florida to read goat stories to the captive school kids) issued or had issued an order for Flight #93 to be shot-down by a fighter planes that known to be in the immediate area and which was seen by civilians and at the time. With the shoot-down being made evident by the fact that luggage and various items of debris, as well as parts of the airliner itself were found by civilians (but quickly hushed-up by the controlled news media) up to 8 miles from the crash sight (in the approaching direction) . Serving as clear evidence that the airliner was struck by an air to air missile prior to it (or what was left of it) crashing vertically into the ground near Summerset, PA. Dick Cheney (probably inadvertently) once actually admitted to the airliner being shot-down. Doing so during a hurried interview for which he was apparently unprepared. Which if not been permanently removed, can be viewed via U-tube. You see, these sick phychos make serious blunders and mistakes on a routine basis, yet most Americans, due to their general lack of knowledge (particularly relating to technical and scientific subjects) do not recognize them the blunders for the confessions they actually are. Excuse the rambling but this is a lot to cram into one paragraph.

All I can conclude from the story is that a bunch of Israelis were happy that US will now get into a endless war with Muslims and that is good for Israel. That seems like a reasonably good guess. After 9/11, countries that have been destroyed one way or other include , Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Pakistan, Yemen and will eventually likely include Somalia, Ethiopia, Sudan, Nigeria, Egypt and many others.

How these dancing Israelis were so sure that it was a terrorist act and that the perpetrators were Arabs? The CIA asset Ben Laden never took responsibility for the attack. How come that the Israelis were so well positioned to observe the destruction and to do the videotaping? Do you see any connection between the Israelis’ joy and the Oded Yinon (PNAC) plan that since then has been implemented in the Middle East against the mostly civilian population in the formerly functioning Middle eastern states?
“Live by the sword, die by the sword.”

Any individuals, who have set up a "movie camera" to film an event before it occurs...clearly have "apriori" knowledge of the event or its inevitability.......

If the event is a premeditated crime , like a robbery or a murder, failure to notify the police, of its impending nature would make you an accessory to the crime....No?

In the event that the crime is the greatest terrorist attack perpetrated against the United States since Pearl Harbor... failure to notify the FBI of its impending nature would make you an accessory to a terrorist act .

Any attempts by any newspaper, news organization, lobbying group, foreign country , or individual to impede, obfuscate , disavow ,or cover up the reality of this occurrence would make them an accessory, after the fact ,also .

Considering the United States is nearly "insolvent" from spending untold trillions of dollars of future generations of Americans tax money, fighting the heroic war on terror...don't we owe it to them to at least get the facts right ?

I don't really care if they were Muslims, Israeli's, or "Grandma's from Savannah"..

I say " If you can't do a "terrorists " time.....don't set up to film a 'terrorists" crime !

Take'em down.

The US is so thoroughly taken by the parasitoid that there is no salvation for this country.

Another Federal agency had positive proof of Mossad links to various groups of Israeli´s operating in the U.S. who were obviously involved in surveilling the 9/11 terrorists. The Israelis DID have advance knowledge of the plot and chose not to inform us; they may well have had controlled agents inside of the terrorist group guiding it. The FBI was presented with this indisputable intelligence on Israeli involvement and declined to investigate further, plainly stating that this was for domestic political reasons. There was an acrimonious exchange over the issue but in the end nothing happened. treason reached very high into the Bush Administration, and Wolfowitz, Perle, Feither and others of that ilk were the ringmasters.

“…treason reached very high into the Bush Administration, and Wolfowitz, Perle, Feith and others of that ilk were the ringmasters.” Exactly. But see the smugness of the main architects and ideologists of the hollowing out the USA for the benefit of the “promised land.” They are indeed untouchable. The control of MSM is quite complete. The only problem for the chosen is a relatively well armed Russian federation. Hence the visceral hatred by Zionists of RF and the outright indecency of the White House re Ukraine, Syria, and particularly, with regard to the recent tragedies in the air (SU-24 and the civilian plane with more than 200 people on board), which were most likely sponsored and arranged by the same Mossad/CIA scum.

Haha, look at how fast these nuts swarm. Unz, I hope you’re at least making some money off of these kooks. Does Unz.com even have advertising? I use a suite of software to block ads and adware, so I never know.

The third building falling is a bit of a conundrum for the Muslim/Russian Nationalist Conspiracy Nuts:

1. It was just one of those crazy things.
2. The American gov’t thought it would be a great idea to just demolish the third building in mysterious fashion. Sort of like a “we’re so badass, we can just bring down a building and nobody will suspect a thing” thing.

Makes no fucking sense at all, but hey, these are Muslim/Russian Nationalist Conspiracy Nuts we’re talking about; it doesn’t have to make any sense.

Mind your manners, Svigor. This is not an illegal Israeli settlement or an Ukrainian village.

https://consortiumnews.com/2015/12/01/the-us-russia-proxy-war-in-syria/
"The administration’s neocons who keep demanding an escalation of tensions with Russia include Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs Victoria Nuland. Then, there are the officials most identified with arms procurement, sales and use, such as Defense Secretary Ashton Carter... Besides the neocons’ close ties to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, the neocons are intimately connected to the interests of the Military-Industrial Complex, which provides substantial funding for the major think tanks where many neocons hang their hats and churn out new arguments for more world conflict and thus more military spending."

https://citizenactionmonitor.wordpress.com/2015/09/16/us-neocons-whose-war-mongering-has-already-brought-death-to-millions-in-iraq-are-at-it-again/
"With a militarized Republic has come the loss of liberty through surveillance and “perception management” of the public. .. When information is systematically pushed through a filter designed to ensure consent, the core democratic concept of an informed electorate has been turned on its head.... All this has been part of the neocon approach dating back to the 1980s when key operatives, such as Robert Kagan and Elliott Abrams, were part of inter-agency task forces designed to whip the American people into line behind the government’s aggressive war policies. Guided by seasoned CIA propagandists, such as Walter Raymond Jr., the neocons learned their lessons well."

What I don’t get is the motivation for cheering. Did they believe it would mean there would be solidarity with Israel against the Palestinians? Why would this matter, since Israel faces little attacks by Palestinians and Israel acts diabolically and genocidally toward them without any consequences? Did they believe it would mean the U.S. would do what it has done in the past 15 years, namely, spend trillions and kill millions to mitigate Israel’s threats (state actor threats)?

It does seem really, really curious that FBI would keep a few of them in solitary confinement and hold them for months, give them poles, and FBI interrogators who question them repeatedly if there was not some smoking, damning evidence. And I’m sure few people are privy to this evidence– maybe not even Comey– and if the evidence still exists it is guarded with hyper-top secret protection deep inside FBI counterintelligence rooms that few are allowed to access and none without authorization and colleague escort.

Why was the CIA not brought in? Can the FBI trust the CIA in such a circumstance? NYPD has Jewish NYPD officers/representatives in Israel and they work together on intelligence issues. Does this make FBI counterintelligence a little uncomfortable working closely with NYPD and providing all of its information? The deputy commissioner of the NYPD, John Miller, is married to Emily Helen Altschul, daughter of banking mogul and Goldman Sachs Group partner Arthur Goodhart Altschul. Alas, the world of finance ultimately controls everything, including law, policing, foreign policy, intelligence, et al.

Another Federal agency had positive proof of Mossad links to various groups of Israeli´s operating in the U.S. who were obviously involved in surveilling the 9/11 terrorists. The Israelis DID have advance knowledge of the plot and chose not to inform us; they may well have had controlled agents inside of the terrorist group guiding it. The FBI was presented with this indisputable intelligence on Israeli involvement and declined to investigate further, plainly stating that this was for domestic political reasons. There was an acrimonious exchange over the issue but in the end nothing happened. treason reached very high into the Bush Administration, and Wolfowitz, Perle, Feither and others of that ilk were the ringmasters.

I bought a sceptical vid. at a local govt. place, enjoyed watching it,
entertaining, not so informative, already knew most.

Here’s a proper link for that Newsweek story (Newsweek’s site is coded by morons and incorrectly categorizes people who never visit their site (like me) as having “used up” their allowance of 5 free stories a month):

I have no idea what you are referring to, but there are a number of countries that from which Anthrax could have been obtained. Thermite is a much different kettle of fish, and the handling requirements of the stuff would get a casual user killed. Thermite grenades were something the Navy uses to destroy classified radio transmitters if a ship is to be abandoned to shallow waters. You simply pull the pin, allow the spoon to release and place it on the highest transmitter in the stack. It will burn through the transmitters and the hull of the ship as well. You can't put it out either. Thermite as the agent for destruction of the two towers is completely implausible as it would have required a massive amount of the stuff to bring down one tower, much less two. That's about as plausible as believing explosive charges were built into the structure as one loon ball thought.

And I would add that the anthrax attacks were very a very important part of the over-all false-flag attack of 9/11. And as you correctly stated the military grade anthrax used to terrorize the general population and the Nano-thermite used to bring down all three high-rises in their own foot-prints at free-fall acceleration were both developed and perfected in US military laboratories. So, although numerous and varied details of the operation will never be known, it should be obvious to anyone of average intelligence who master-minded the entire affair and has since provided the necessary cover-up, including the official but transparently bogus 9/11 Investigation conducted by the US government.

John P. O’Neill was forced out of the FBI after repeatedly warning that certain people from the ME had easy access in and out of the US. Certain people within the FBI had warned him off further investigations into some dodgy Saudi’s who O’Neill was best placed and best qualified to deem a threat and worth further investigations.

The MO was typical and people here should recognize it immediately.

His suitcase containing important documents was stolen and he found himself hounded out of his position for incompetence when in reality he had become too good of an anti-terrorist operator for certain people in the US deep state (Zionist 5th column) as they had him appointed to the WTC as a security advisor.

Locksmithing is also another shady business with many opportunities for skullduggery. I was once locked out and called the services of a local locksmith that I just found in the phone book or something, and when the locksmith came, he was acting suspiciously and clearly trying to rip me off, so I politely asked him to leave, at which point he started acting in a hostile and aggressive manner and screaming and didn't leave until I called the police. He was a burly Israeli guy wearing a star of David necklace, and I didn't think anything of it, until I heard later on that there was a nationwide locksmithing scam run by Israelis using seemingly local locksmith shops as fronts:

All I can conclude from the story is that a bunch of Israelis were happy that US will now get into a endless war with Muslims and that is good for Israel. That seems like a reasonably good guess. After 9/11, countries that have been destroyed one way or other include , Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Pakistan, Yemen and will eventually likely include Somalia, Ethiopia, Sudan, Nigeria, Egypt and many others.

Dat not seksy enoff for Muslim/Russian Nationalist Konspiracy Kook.

I’m sure there are Israeli spies in America, but if these guys were spies, then why would they go on a popular late night talk show to deny it, and then sue the US government for damages?

Because 1) they’re Jewish, 2) their cover was blown, and 3) people like you would buy it as the perfect cover story?

As I said on another thread. If the Israelis were as nefarious as you want them to be and if they were as cohesive and capable as your fevered dreams imagine them then they would not be setting up a group linked to Afghanistan. They would set up one of the hundreds of groups linked to Palestine. As the Israeli himself said in your article!

Why would they do that?

Furthermore if the plan was some ridiculously long timeline effort to convert a random blue sky think piece from the 80s into reality (Oded Yinon) then don’t you think that the invasion of Afghanistan, which lasted much longer than Iraq, counts against you. What could that country possibly have to do with Israel?

Invade MENA is part of the NeoCohen strategy. Better to invade a peripheral MENA country than no MENA country at all.

On another point, it is hilarious that so many of you think that the media is out to get Muslims when Trump says one thing and the entire media goes nuts to try and prove him wrong.

NeoCohen goal is Invade MENA, Invite the World (into the West, not Israel). Making villains out of Muslims thwarts the second clause. The goal is to destabilize MENA AND destroy the West. Vast majority of Muslim/Russian Nationalist Konspiracy Kooks are too stupid and/or full of shit to acknowledge this.

Winston Churchill said that on the night after Pearl Harbor he “went to bed and slept the sleep of the saved and thankful.” I expect that joyful would be an accurate word, but not politically appropriate.

I do not doubt that many Israelis felt thankful after 9/11. That would be a normal reaction of someone facing an existential threat.

People are going to have lots of opinions, but citing the fact that Israelis felt relief or even joy that the US was having to face reality is not support for conspiracy theories, IMO.

Yes, this is how I imagine Israeli self-deception working. Very slick and wholly self-centered.

http://thesaker.is/is-turkey-waging-war-on-russia-in-crimea-the-caucasus-and-central-asia-sputnik-news-interviews-saker/
"Given the fact that ISIL has been created and fuelled by a number of states and private donors, which geopolitical players are resisting Russia’s attempts to eradicate terrorism in the region and preserve the sovereignty of Syria? Is Russia confronting a bunch of terrorists fed by Saudi and Qatari sheikhs or some well-organized multi-national organizations?
As for Daesh, it is simply one ‘weapon’ used by the [US] Empire to destroy its opponents. There is no such thing as ‘terrorism’ by itself, it is always a weapon used by one (or several) state actors...
What is taking place today is a world war between, on one hand, the so-called ‘West’ (the US Empire) and the ‘Resistance’ i.e., Russia, China, the BRICS, the SCO countries, Latin America, etc. What is at stake here is the future of our planet..."

Locksmithing is also another shady business with many opportunities for skullduggery. I was once locked out and called the services of a local locksmith that I just found in the phone book or something, and when the locksmith came, he was acting suspiciously and clearly trying to rip me off, so I politely asked him to leave, at which point he started acting in a hostile and aggressive manner and screaming and didn’t leave until I called the police. He was a burly Israeli guy wearing a star of David necklace, and I didn’t think anything of it, until I heard later on that there was a nationwide locksmithing scam run by Israelis using seemingly local locksmith shops as fronts:

a comfortable or suitable position in life or employment:
"he is now a partner at a leading law firm and feels he has found his niche"
synonyms: ideal position · place · function · vocation · calling ·

a specialized segment of the market for a particular kind of product or service:
"he believes he has found a niche in the market" ·

In all cases, "niche" is a small part, even a very small part, carved out of a larger pre-existing entity that, implicitly, someone else created.

Haha, look at how fast these nuts swarm. Unz, I hope you're at least making some money off of these kooks. Does Unz.com even have advertising? I use a suite of software to block ads and adware, so I never know.

The third building falling is a bit of a conundrum for the Muslim/Russian Nationalist Conspiracy Nuts:

1. It was just one of those crazy things.2. The American gov't thought it would be a great idea to just demolish the third building in mysterious fashion. Sort of like a "we're so badass, we can just bring down a building and nobody will suspect a thing" thing.

Makes no fucking sense at all, but hey, these are Muslim/Russian Nationalist Conspiracy Nuts we're talking about; it doesn't have to make any sense.

Mind your manners, Svigor. This is not an illegal Israeli settlement or an Ukrainian village.

“The administration’s neocons who keep demanding an escalation of tensions with Russia include Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs Victoria Nuland. Then, there are the officials most identified with arms procurement, sales and use, such as Defense Secretary Ashton Carter… Besides the neocons’ close ties to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, the neocons are intimately connected to the interests of the Military-Industrial Complex, which provides substantial funding for the major think tanks where many neocons hang their hats and churn out new arguments for more world conflict and thus more military spending.”

“With a militarized Republic has come the loss of liberty through surveillance and “perception management” of the public. .. When information is systematically pushed through a filter designed to ensure consent, the core democratic concept of an informed electorate has been turned on its head…. All this has been part of the neocon approach dating back to the 1980s when key operatives, such as Robert Kagan and Elliott Abrams, were part of inter-agency task forces designed to whip the American people into line behind the government’s aggressive war policies. Guided by seasoned CIA propagandists, such as Walter Raymond Jr., the neocons learned their lessons well.”

a comfortable or suitable position in life or employment:
“he is now a partner at a leading law firm and feels he has found his niche”
synonyms: ideal position · place · function · vocation · calling ·

a specialized segment of the market for a particular kind of product or service:
“he believes he has found a niche in the market” ·

In all cases, “niche” is a small part, even a very small part, carved out of a larger pre-existing entity that, implicitly, someone else created.

We watched TV coverage of the 9/11 attacks and during the first few days saw footage of unidentified persons who were recorded in New Jersey seemingly celebrating the attacks. I don’t know who they were, but resembled Mideast ethnicity – which could have been any, including Israeli. It wasn’t said who they were, citizen or otherwise, but it was very disturbing and provocative.

I remarked to my family that I believed it dangerous to air such video, as the emotional climate was such as it amounted to mob incitement. As Glenn Greenwald put it in his recent Intercept article, “the post-9/11 climate in the U.S. was dangerous for Muslims, and had the U.S. president ignored the potential for mindless vengeance against a small and marginalized minority, or worse, had he stoked it, some extremely ugly and terrorizing sentiments could easily have been unleashed.”

I thought then wiser heads, recognizing this danger, pulled the video and we saw it no more after a day or two, although other images endlessly repeated.

I’m not a Trump fan, but the images he saw that were supposed to be folks celebrating our disaster, really were aired, and I remember them well, due to how dangerous I believed it was to show them. I think that although this now seems to have disappeared down a memory hole, that it certainly contributed to a revengeful “bring it on” attitude and the general persecution of innocents that Glenn Greenwald is making sure is not buried in a retroactive whitewash of convenient misremembering.

Even more so is this important to understand, for as Phil Giraldi’s careful research indicates, that if the videos were not genuine celebrations of the tower takedowns, it makes it seem likely that the videos which I know were aired, may well have been taken as these Israeli operatives performed celebrations for their own propaganda video, sincere or not.

If that was discovered to be the case, it is no wonder they were pulled, nor any wonder that it now must be claimed they never existed, in Orwellian fashion.

“Given the fact that ISIL has been created and fuelled by a number of states and private donors, which geopolitical players are resisting Russia’s attempts to eradicate terrorism in the region and preserve the sovereignty of Syria? Is Russia confronting a bunch of terrorists fed by Saudi and Qatari sheikhs or some well-organized multi-national organizations?
As for Daesh, it is simply one ‘weapon’ used by the [US] Empire to destroy its opponents. There is no such thing as ‘terrorism’ by itself, it is always a weapon used by one (or several) state actors…
What is taking place today is a world war between, on one hand, the so-called ‘West’ (the US Empire) and the ‘Resistance’ i.e., Russia, China, the BRICS, the SCO countries, Latin America, etc. What is at stake here is the future of our planet…”

The celebrating Muslims were not fictional. Hatred of the US is extremely widespread. You're a complete naif if you don't understand that people all over the world, especially Muslims, got a lot of pleasure from 9/11.

The Sauds were intimately involved with Al Qaeda, but this is not exactly shocking. Since the hijackers were Saudi and Osama Bin Laden is from the Saudi elite.

The rest of the article is mostly just rumour. You repeat the bit about the Israeli saying on TV that he was there to document 9/11 as if that is a good point in your favour. It is not, it is the opposite. First, it suggests that you don't speak a second language and second, if I committed a momentous crime I wouldn't randomly admit to it on TV, would you? Indeed had I any foreknowledge of it I would be extremely careful with what I said on TV and he wasn't, he just has non native English.

One lady, from a distance, perceived 5 Israeli semi-vagrants (if you were younger and travelled in places like SE Asia, you'd know what I mean) to be celebrating. You have spun up anow entire theory from this. Isn't that nuts?

As I said on another thread. If the Israelis were as nefarious as you want them to be and if they were as cohesive and capable as your fevered dreams imagine them then they would not be setting up a group linked to Afghanistan. They would set up one of the hundreds of groups linked to Palestine. As the Israeli himself said in your article!

Furthermore if the plan was some ridiculously long timeline effort to convert a random blue sky think piece from the 80s into reality (Oded Yinon) then don't you think that the invasion of Afghanistan, which lasted much longer than Iraq, counts against you. What could that country possibly have to do with Israel?

This is a very poor quality article, written in Giraldi's normal style of confidently put assertion with no logic or substance to back it up. What evidence there is gets followed by ridiculous non sequiturs and outright dishonesty.

Who is paying you? Or has senility come early.

Hello, fool. The woman did not see five Israeli vagrants. How in the hell would she know they were Israeli? She saw five males behaving in what she thought was a very suspicious manner
And did the correct thing in calling the police.

It’s good that Philip Giraldi points the finger at Israel but he IS somewhat coy about the charges. That Israel might have had an involvement in 9/11 is a bit like saying they might have been involved in the USS Liberty attack.

Briefly: The ‘dancing Israelis’ who by their own admission were there to ‘record the event’ thereby admitting pre-knowledge of the attack. Israeli-owned Odigo Systems whose employees were given advance warning and cleared the building, ICTS, the Israeli-owned airport security firm which controlled all airports from which the alleged hijackers boarded, and the inexplicable roles of Philip Zelekow, Dov Zakheim and Larry Silverstein among many others.

I think its a slightly unfair inference. Giraldi is simply saying we can't know more until critical intel is released and / or a more serious investigative effort is attempted. As such, I'm quite satisified with Mr. Giraldi at least attempting to shed light on this issue, however "coy" it might be perceived.

Winston Churchill said that on the night after Pearl Harbor he “went to bed and slept the sleep of the saved and thankful.” I expect that joyful would be an accurate word, but not politically appropriate.

I do not doubt that many Israelis felt thankful after 9/11. That would be a normal reaction of someone facing an existential threat.

People are going to have lots of opinions, but citing the fact that Israelis felt relief or even joy that the US was having to face reality is not support for conspiracy theories, IMO.

According to the initial police report, the driver identified as Sivan Kurzberg, stated “We are Israeli. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are the problem.”

While this statement reveals a little tunnel vision in narrowly referring to "Palestinians", it is not unreasonable.

The point about the dancing Israelis is not that they celebrated, rather that they had foreknowledge of the event.

I remarked to my family that I believed it dangerous to air such video, as the emotional climate was such as it amounted to mob incitement. As Glenn Greenwald put it in his recent Intercept article, “the post-9/11 climate in the U.S. was dangerous for Muslims, and had the U.S. president ignored the potential for mindless vengeance against a small and marginalized minority, or worse, had he stoked it, some extremely ugly and terrorizing sentiments could easily have been unleashed.”

There was an attempt to use 9/11, the images of Middle East Muslims cheering, and anthrax attacks to initiate the attack on Iraq. The first person sent anthrax in 10/2001 was Bob Stevens, photo editor at AMI in Boca Raton, FL. AMI published a large glossy magazine a week or two after 9/11 and included large, multi-page photos of Arabs in the Middle East cheering. The magazine special edition was at many supermarkets thoughtout the U.S. I bought one. I was shocked when I saw the photos of the Arabs cheering and thought it was a little un-PC. Shortly after this Bob Stevens, the photo editor for this magazine production, was targeted with anthrax and died. The message in the threats was stupid Islamic threats. The handwriting on the envelope was block-like and slanted down to the left, indicating it was written by someone whose language goes from right to left (Semitic, e.g., Arabic or Hebrew), and whose letters are boxy (Hebrew). There were attempts to link it to Saddam Hussein because it contained bentonite, specific to Saddam Hussein’s biological weapons program. This turned out to be bogus. When the investigation stalled and people were beginning to wonder who was really behind this and for what purpose, Barbara Rosenberg steps up and provides us with scapegoat Steven Hatfill. After years of calumny and suspicion against Hatfill, he was able to prove that he had nothing to do with the attacks (at least enough proof to win defamation lawsuits). So then Bruce Ivins is credited with the attack, after the FBI gaslights him and he takes his own life. Ivins colleagues believe he had nothing to do with the anthrax letters. The Chief of Bacteriology at Ft. Detrick said the lab did not have the equipment to make the anthrax spores in 2001. The head of the UN’s inspection team of Iraq’s biological weapons program said Ivins couldn’t have produced it. Doesn’t matter, we must believe Ivins did it and Michelangschlomo at Urban Moving Systems was innocent. But it turns out that it was not necessary to destroy a couple dozen lives to start a war. Two years later they got their wish and this time the yellow cake propaganda worked. The U.S. spent trillions of dollars and thousands of lives to destroy one of Israel’s non-aggressing but potential enemies.

Israelis are an ‘other’ with their own rational interests. These do not include flooding our nations with third worlders nor do they include us going to war in Afghanistan. I have no doubt that they try to influence us to support them in their endless struggle with the Palestinians but nor do I blame them.

9/11 neither furthered their interests nor diminished them. I imagine that many Israelis would have been secretly ecstatic if Palestinians had done 9/11 and I imagine that they could have assumed that Palestinians did it because Israelis have Palestinians on the mind.

To be fair to them, that’s hardly an inhuman emotion.

Basically we just need to openly recognise where they’re coming from and deal with them accordingly. We do not need to construct absurd conspiracy theories nor listen to the billion Muslims desperate to have us believe in them. They also have their own interests and due to their greater proximity with us, in Europe at least, they have more conflicting interests.

These points are not hard to understand. They are just standard realism with a dose of knowledge of humanity.

It makes zero sense for Israelis to blow up the twin towers and then frame an Afghan based movement. Not only because the risks are tremendous and it is utterly immoral and difficult to do but because they did not benefit.

This is my last post on this because I need to stop letting it waste my time but please stop letting this nonsense issue waste yours!

The degree of coordination and subsequent radio silence, required to carry out a conspiracy of this magnitude, is beyond human abilities. This would be the equivalent of many hundreds of Reichstag Fires. There may have been some foreknowledge on the part of various agencies, if only because the WTC had already been a target before, and the Phillipines had informed the Americans that according to their interrogations, Arab terrorists were considering using airplanes as guided missiles to bring down buildings.

What I don't get is the motivation for cheering. Did they believe it would mean there would be solidarity with Israel against the Palestinians? Why would this matter, since Israel faces little attacks by Palestinians and Israel acts diabolically and genocidally toward them without any consequences? Did they believe it would mean the U.S. would do what it has done in the past 15 years, namely, spend trillions and kill millions to mitigate Israel's threats (state actor threats)?

It does seem really, really curious that FBI would keep a few of them in solitary confinement and hold them for months, give them poles, and FBI interrogators who question them repeatedly if there was not some smoking, damning evidence. And I'm sure few people are privy to this evidence-- maybe not even Comey-- and if the evidence still exists it is guarded with hyper-top secret protection deep inside FBI counterintelligence rooms that few are allowed to access and none without authorization and colleague escort.

Why was the CIA not brought in? Can the FBI trust the CIA in such a circumstance? NYPD has Jewish NYPD officers/representatives in Israel and they work together on intelligence issues. Does this make FBI counterintelligence a little uncomfortable working closely with NYPD and providing all of its information? The deputy commissioner of the NYPD, John Miller, is married to Emily Helen Altschul, daughter of banking mogul and Goldman Sachs Group partner Arthur Goodhart Altschul. Alas, the world of finance ultimately controls everything, including law, policing, foreign policy, intelligence, et al.

” . . . The deputy commissioner of the NYPD, John Miller, is married to Emily Helen Altschul, daughter of banking mogul and Goldman Sachs Group partner Arthur Goodhart Altschul. Alas, the world of finance ultimately controls everything, including law, policing, foreign policy, intelligence, et al.”

If Deputy Commissioner Miller’s law enforcement obligations conflicted with covering for Israeli perfidy, what would he do, given his marital ties? . . .

I don’t know anything about “dancing Israelis,” but I clearly remember seeing footage of dancing, celebrating Muslims on my TV screen early during the 9/11 attacks — footage which was quickly pulled and which I’ve never seen since.

Yes, there were some Muslims who danced but not in New York or anywhere in the US. What does this prove? That the US is not popular in the ME. Wow, what a discovery. You deserve a Nobel Peace Prize for the insight.

Besides the money and the training and the motives behind the suicidal hijackings themselves, there's the lingering matter of numerous eyewitness accounts by police and firemen which claimed "multiple explosions" at WTC before the two towers fell.

There are also simmering questions relating to the presence of thermite and melted steel at Ground Zero.

And there's also at least one other extraordinary irregularity.

Unbeknownst to millions of Americans even today, a third NYC skyscraper fell on 9/11 despite the fact that this modern, steel structure was never hit by an airplane.

The 47-story-tall 'Building 7' collapsed into it own footprint at free-fall speed on the afternoon of Sept. 11th.

A structural failure of this magnitude has never been seen before or since.

This spectacular event was captured LIVE on film and has inspired a movement of architects and engineers (lead by Richard Gage, AIA) to 're-investigate 9/11'.

Oddly, the Commission that was created to officially investigate the details of 9/11 did not examine Building 7's unique collapse. Curious, that.

Further, it must be acknowledged that many of the key investigators on the 9/11 Commission had either strong, personal ties to the State of Israel, or long and close affiliations with Israel's lobby inside the United States. This inevitable bias is also applicable to many of America's top news and entertainment executives. Thus, the thundering silence from NY to Hollywood over 911's lingering 'mysteries'.

To what extent then have political pressures influenced the 'findings' and 'lessons' of 9/11?

Was there a conflict-of-interest in play among some of the key investigators inside the 9/11 Commission itself?

These persistent, unanswered questions suggest an even greater 'who-done-it'.

Who will finally unravel and distill the story behind the incremental hijacking of America's ruling class?

“Further, it must be acknowledged that many of the key investigators on the 9/11 Commission had either strong, personal ties to the State of Israel, or long and close affiliations with Israel’s lobby inside the United States. This inevitable bias is also applicable to many of America’s top news and entertainment executives. Thus, the thundering silence from NY to Hollywood over 911′s lingering ‘mysteries.’”

Let me kick it off with a statement that the planes could not have brought down even the twin towers let alone WTC building 7. That was termite, military grade.

The military trained termites to chew down buildings? Possible, I guess, but wouldn't it only work on wooden buildings?

That is so funny. The spelling correction Hasbara moron brigade is on the march. It is thermite not termite. But thermite works like a military brigade of steel eating termites, so I was not far off. I wonder who planted thermite or termite?

Maybe it had something to do with the dual citizen owner of the twin towers, who picked up a nice and tidy couple of billions of dollars in insurance for the buildings he would have had to demolish at his own huge expense (due to steel fatigue), or with Israeli students who rented a part of the building and stacked it up with strange cardboard boxes? Or with … lots of other things which point towards Israel, not only the Dancing Shlomos.

More than fourteen years later it is perhaps past time to reveal what exactly the FBI knew and currently knows about both the scale and modus operandi of Israeli espionage in the United States.

why Mr. G? It’s fourteen years, not a hundred and forty. Most all the players and criminals are still alive. Many are still entrenched in positions of power. I would think now more than ever we the people of the world should demand a real investigation.

I don’t even think it’s too late for a proper criminal investigation into the assassination of JFK. There’s people still alive today that certainly know something.

Did Israel have critical intelligence either in broad outline or possibly in specific detail about 9/11 and let it happen …?”

at the very least. There’s no way Larry Silverstien didn’t know what was happening and was necessarily and obviously complicit. And he’s bestest buddies with Bibi. They talk on the phone weekly.

if nothing is done to hold these people to account, and they’re able to not just get away with it all, but to profit massively (Silverstien made billions off this case of ‘Jewish lightning’ and Bibi got the USA dupes to fight his wars for him), then what’s to stop them from doing it again? Perhaps even bigger next time

I don't know anything about "dancing Israelis," but I clearly remember seeing footage of dancing, celebrating Muslims on my TV screen early during the 9/11 attacks — footage which was quickly pulled and which I've never seen since.

Yes, there were some Muslims who danced but not in New York or anywhere in the US. What does this prove? That the US is not popular in the ME. Wow, what a discovery. You deserve a Nobel Peace Prize for the insight.

I am finished with Trump. My first reaction to him was that he was too thin skinned to be president. Then I wavered. I began to think that he really could get America on the right economic path.

Now, beside being thin skinned, I think that he is mean spirited and that he is way too wrapped up in money. His attack on the man with a deformed arm and his demand that CNN give him $5,000,000 are both beyond the pale.

His blanket attack on Muslims just cannot be. Fox-n-Krauthammer aside, the most powerful man on the planet cannot disparage 1,500,000,000 people. it would bring no end of trouble.

That video is already removed. I guess some are fast to hide some inconvienent truth.

These articles mentionned then Trump is right on some points. http://www.conservativenewsandviews.com/2015/12/01/accountability/news-media/muslims-did-celebrate-9-11/
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/11/30/did-new-york-post-scrub-2001-story-because-it-supported-donald-trumps-claim/

Thank goodness, the Internet archive had saved some articles then the NY Post deleted. https://web.archive.org/web/20010915001916/http://nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/32549.htm

Ha, ha, ha. The Hasbara brigade demands that you watch the spelling and especially that you stay away from a figurative language. They are so dumb that they only understand literal things - if it melts that is not eat-though. Well, maybe one day the Hasbara will invent something that eats through steel when Israel wants to prove their point. In the mean time, melt through will have the same effect as eat through.

This military grade thermite used on WTC was identified based on the research by European laboratories and published in reputable scientific magazines. Or maybe Shlomos were using it to light up their cigarettes.

Dr. Niels Harrit is a retired associate professor of chemistry at the University of Copenhagen and one among an international team of scientists who published a paper in The Open Chemical Physics Journal on the discovery of nano-thermite in the dust from the World Trade Center collapses on 9/11.

Military termites, that's rich. It's par for the course with these truthers.

Just like that "nano thermite" they keep on about but can't produce any and label anyone in the demolition trade as in on the conspiracy who contradicts them.

I'm sure in time they'll migrate to the Jews spraying LME agents on the WTC girders.

BTW thermite doesn't eat through steel, it's not a acid - it melts it. It's too bad truthers are dolts when it comes to basics of metalworking.

Ha, ha, ha. The Hasbara brigade demands that you watch the spelling and especially that you stay away from a figurative language. They are so dumb that they only understand literal things – if it melts that is not eat-though. Well, maybe one day the Hasbara will invent something that eats through steel when Israel wants to prove their point. In the mean time, melt through will have the same effect as eat through.

This military grade thermite used on WTC was identified based on the research by European laboratories and published in reputable scientific magazines. Or maybe Shlomos were using it to light up their cigarettes.

I think this is the first time I see an article about the dancing israelis in a serious publication.

Which is nice. This is not something that should stay confined in /pol/ threads and yellow sites.

Agree that there are serious questions that need to be answered vis possible prior knowledge of the 9/11 plot by Israeli intelligence and how far that knowledge may have penetrated. Unfortunately, the conversation always gets hijacked by fruitcakes advocating nonsense like the demolition theory or the ordered-by-Israel theory, who really do belong on the yellow sites. But little instances like the Dancing Israelis really do suggest that somebody close to the source knew and got excited enough to blab about it.

If Mossad operatives were acting in a manner that indicated foreknowledge of the attacks, or disseminating such foreknowledge to someone who could repeat it on Odigo instant messaging, it speaks of poor discipline under the needs-to-know principle. The five Israelis killed in the WTC attack were apparently not privileged to such information. Maybe the “art students” recruited to spy on Muslims were a less professional, nuttier bunch than those who spy on the US government.

Yes, it should have been treated as a probable slip of the kind or one of the kinds of which everyone is capable rather than a reflection of his command of English or plain ignorance. But why then does he seem to claim at #67 that he was consciously using the word "termite" figuratively? That's kindergarten level excuse making.

but then, let’s examine the kind of mind that considers the quest for the truth as absurd, shall we?

first what to call them.. perhaps ‘believer’ is suitable

what the believers believe is that the BBC’s and other news outlets reporting on building seven plopping into its basement before it did was just a coincidence! It’s no different than the Isreali agents having their camera’s set up to “document” the first plane hitting the tower.

serendipitous perhaps you nay say, but obviously nothing to worry about. And anyone who does is a crazy and likely dangerous whacko!

really, there’s so many obvious, prima facia evidence that this whole thing was set up by men like Dov Zakheim and so many others that deliberating with these believers is pointless- unless to show them how blatantly asinine their defense of the official story actually is. So I’d just leave it at the advance reporting of the collapse of building seven, and say that there is unequivocally no way in this world or the next that those news sites made that call by accident that turned out to be a coincidence. To believe such a thing is to suspend all rational thought and logic and disregard video evidence of the glaringly obvious.

These believers are necessarily either monumentally stupid or calculatingly dishonest, and if the later, apologists for the worst betrayal I can think of in human history, since it has been Americans like the ones who were slaughtered on those planes and in those towers who have supported Israel with untold sacrifices of blood and treasure, only to have that gift returned by such an act of treachery and betrayal as to numb the very soul.

I’m sorry. I have to sigh and consider the weight of all of this from time to time. It is quite a burden to come to realize the things people do to each other and why. It taxes me. Perhaps it is better off sticking one’s head in the sand..

Would you please give a link to the video taken by the Israeli high-fivers which shows that they recorded the first plane hitting the tower? As the timing is indeed of great importance so is your evidence of the timing.

As to the alleged BBC anticipation of the collapse of WTC7 surely the most unlikely thing in any scenario would be that the BBC should be given advance notice by plotters who weren't such raving nutters as to be unable to find their way even to this Comment column. Compared with that an error arising from someone being heard in the the ear piece of a stressed reporter "hang in there: you can add WTC7 coming down too before anyone else breaks it" or any one of a dozen variations is just an everyday kind of error in the experience of journalists and TV producers as I can say from proximity to the most telling experience.

Israelis are an ‘other’ with their own rational interests. These do not include flooding our nations with third worlders nor do they include us going to war in Afghanistan.

I know it’s impossible for many retards to understand this, but I’ll try again, for the thousandth time: Israel is BFFs with diaspora Jewry, and diaspora Jewry is BFFs with Israel. Diaspora Jewry sees it as in their best interests to dilute and make polyglot European countries against the day their populations inevitably wake up to collective Jewish malfeasance, for the umpteenth time. Ergo, Israel is no babe in the woods when it comes to open borders. They’re complicit in, and benefit from, diaspora Jewry’s malfeasance. Which is why the phony “right wing” (actually Jewish Supremacist) in Israel says nothing about the open borders destroying the West.

As for Afghanistan, yes, it benefits Israel for the US to be stomping all over the MENA, crushing Muslim regimes that refuse to knuckle under, just as America maintaining a strong military and an aggressive, adventuristic foreign policy benefits Israel. This is not rocket science.

Jews are, in the aggregate, neither leftist, nor rightist, only faux leftist and faux rightist. Jews are simply Jewish Supremacist. These things mean no more to them than strategy and tactics mean anything to generals. In some theaters, you take a defensive posture. In others, an offensive one. Sometimes you use guerrilla tactics and non-conventional forces, sometimes you use conventional.

Leftist and rightist are just tactics to Jews, each being used where most beneficial to the Tribe.

Military termites, that's rich. It's par for the course with these truthers.

Just like that "nano thermite" they keep on about but can't produce any and label anyone in the demolition trade as in on the conspiracy who contradicts them.

I'm sure in time they'll migrate to the Jews spraying LME agents on the WTC girders.

BTW thermite doesn't eat through steel, it's not a acid - it melts it. It's too bad truthers are dolts when it comes to basics of metalworking.

Dr. Niels Harrit is a retired associate professor of chemistry at the University of Copenhagen and one among an international team of scientists who published a paper in The Open Chemical Physics Journal on the discovery of nano-thermite in the dust from the World Trade Center collapses on 9/11.

In 2004 the five men sued the United States government for damages, alleging “that their detention was illegal and that their civil rights were violated, suffering racial slurs, physical violence, religious discrimination, rough interrogations, deprivation of sleep, and many other offenses.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chutzpah.

Phil is not delivering any new information (that Raimondo of Antiwar.com has not summarized long ago). Therefore, there is no scoop here on Dancing Shlomos. But it is important to set the record straight who was dancing in New York.

Also, this article with initiate now for the millionth time all the evidence and "evidence" about 911.

Let me kick it off with a statement that the planes could not have brought down even the twin towers let alone WTC building 7. That was termite, military grade.

Tell us more of how even military grade termites could level a steel and concrete skyscraper.

In May of 2001, by presidential order, Cheney was handed direct control of all wargame and drill operations. This meant he was solely in charge of the overlapping NORAD drills and wargames on the morning of 9/11, that prevented Standard Operating Procedure from being implemented, and any of the hijacked planes being intercepted.

Here's a good break down of the dancing not-Muslim peoples from a certain not-to-be-named-in-connection-with-9/11-country in the middle east- watch the whole doc, I'd suggest, but the particular info is from appx the 14 min to 30 min mark:

https://youtu.be/pK6VLFdWJ4I

What’s the melting point of steel? What’s the maximum combustion temperature obtained in an atmosphere of 21% oxygen at 1 bar of pressure? Paul Craig Roberts calls it an “energy deficit”.

Steel melts at around 1500C and the maximum combustion temperature obtained in earth's surface atmosphere is about 1300C. The Iron Age experts of 3200 years ago knew that steel wont melt in a normally ventilated fire. The fires in WTC2 exhibit evidence of a high temperature accelerant (HTA) fire. HTA fires are always arsons.

The fact that the media (which is almost entirely Jewish-owned) castigates Trump for anti-Muslim comments while simultaneously pushing a Zionist line is no more dissonant than the fact that Jewish groups in Europe advocate increased Muslim immigration while simultaneously supporting Israel.

To the extent that OBL was a CIA asset, and the fact that Afghanistan served other geopolitical interests (besides opening the door to wars for Israel’s benefit) is probably why Palestinians as such weren’t fingered for the crime (easier to blame a rich, connected Saudi who is never intended to be apprehended than an occupied people living in poverty).

BTW it’s more accurate to say the buildings experienced free-fall *acceleration*, not speed. This free-fall acceleration indicates there was no upward resistance from the floors below (as Newton’s Laws would hold), hence the standard claim that “pancaking” successively weakened lower structures is bunk.

The stack got bigger and more massive with each floor it crashed through. So it blew through the remaining floors faster and faster. The stack would accelerate even if every floor took the same amount of energy to tear loose.

What's the melting point of steel? What's the maximum combustion temperature obtained in an atmosphere of 21% oxygen at 1 bar of pressure? Paul Craig Roberts calls it an "energy deficit".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Td7bvj9ddJw

Steel melts at around 1500C and the maximum combustion temperature obtained in earth’s surface atmosphere is about 1300C. The Iron Age experts of 3200 years ago knew that steel wont melt in a normally ventilated fire. The fires in WTC2 exhibit evidence of a high temperature accelerant (HTA) fire. HTA fires are always arsons.

Here's a good break down of the dancing not-Muslim peoples from a certain not-to-be-named-in-connection-with-9/11-country in the middle east- watch the whole doc, I'd suggest, but the particular info is from appx the 14 min to 30 min mark:

https://youtu.be/pK6VLFdWJ4I

Thanks for posting the great video Colinjames. I started off at the 14 min mark to see the part about the dancing Israelis but after I watched that section, I ended up starting from the beginning and watched the whole thing. I thought it extremely well done. I liked that he went after the misinformation videos like that Loose Change garbage and all the other assorted con-men. I also liked that he used tons of evidence to support the video like his use of Sibel Edmonds, the courageous FBI whistleblower whom Mr. Giraldi has previously written about, whose story should be especially relevant and significant to people in lieu of all that is going on with Turkey nowadays. Thanks again and I’ll be suggesting that video to others because it’s hard to find docs that deal with such a serious matter in such a thorough way.

Right on glad you liked it. Ry is a heck of a researcher, just released a new doc, Empire Unmasked. His website is the Anti Neocon Report, plus a YouTube channel, Ry Dawson I believe. I'd link but I'm on my phone. The new doc is $25-I've yet to see it. It's five hours though. And years in the making. Good on ya for sharing, that's great.

Termite -- even military grade termite -- is useless against steel and concrete. It is only effective against wooden structures. Special forces, rangers, and other commando type units carry termite only in conditions, such as jungle warfare, where wood and wood-related materials are the most common building materials. [See Special Forces Jungle Demolition Techniques, US Armed Forces Publication US-A-SF-1076.3, 2007 edition,]

You had me laughing for a good 5 minutes. Hell, I’m STILL laughin. That was a good one. Set’em up and Jus’ Sayin’ll knock’em down! Thanks for brightening up my day

For those commentators who believe that Israeli’s had former knowlege of the attacks you are most likely right. Who else had former knowlege? Probably a full three quarters of New York’s taxi drivers.
I remember reading about on taxi driver being detained because he gave a ride to a federal employee on sept 10 telling her of an immenent attack the next day. He was realeased after authorities realized that prior knowlege was common among taxi drivers.

The fact that the media (which is almost entirely Jewish-owned) castigates Trump for anti-Muslim comments while simultaneously pushing a Zionist line is no more dissonant than the fact that Jewish groups in Europe advocate increased Muslim immigration while simultaneously supporting Israel.

To the extent that OBL was a CIA asset, and the fact that Afghanistan served other geopolitical interests (besides opening the door to wars for Israel's benefit) is probably why Palestinians as such weren't fingered for the crime (easier to blame a rich, connected Saudi who is never intended to be apprehended than an occupied people living in poverty).

BTW it's more accurate to say the buildings experienced free-fall *acceleration*, not speed. This free-fall acceleration indicates there was no upward resistance from the floors below (as Newton's Laws would hold), hence the standard claim that "pancaking" successively weakened lower structures is bunk.

The stack got bigger and more massive with each floor it crashed through. So it blew through the remaining floors faster and faster. The stack would accelerate even if every floor took the same amount of energy to tear loose.

Bullshit. You unknowingly contradict your own pathetic theory while effectively claiming that the laws of physical science relating to the acceleration of falling bodies increasing at a known rate in the absence of resistive forces was not in effect on the morning of 9/11. If the twin towers collapsed in a pancake fashion, why did we not see a large stack of floors consisting of concrete and steel sitting neatly on top of each other like a huge pancake instead of a pile of vertical support columns that had been cut by thermate into shipping length pieces for shipment to China? But take note of the fact there were no concrete floor slabs because they had been atomized by explosive charges that distributed several inches of pulverized concrete dust over most of lower Manhattan Island.

Steel melts at around 1500C and the maximum combustion temperature obtained in earth's surface atmosphere is about 1300C. The Iron Age experts of 3200 years ago knew that steel wont melt in a normally ventilated fire. The fires in WTC2 exhibit evidence of a high temperature accelerant (HTA) fire. HTA fires are always arsons.

About 80% of the airliner's fuel was consumed in the huge fire-ball that erupted in the air outside the buildings. The airliners themselves did minimal damage to the Twin Towers, which were built to withstand impacts far exceeding those imposed upon them by relatively light weight airliners constructed primarily of titanium, aluminum and plastic. The airliners crashing into the building was simply a pyro-technique perfected by Hollywood producers, for the purpose of capturing and holding the morbid fascination that large numbers of Americans have for the sight of buildings, planes and cars being consumed by violent explosions that produce huge fire balls accompanied by falling debris. With pyro technique often producing highs that rival or exceed highs resulting from sexual ejaculations. When most Americans think of 9/11 about all they are capable of mentally recalling of the event is seeing in their minds eye are the two large balls of fire exploding outside of the two world trade centers. Which, of course, is exactly what they were designed to accomplish in closing the minds of most Americans to anything else relating to the event itself.

Thanks for posting the great video Colinjames. I started off at the 14 min mark to see the part about the dancing Israelis but after I watched that section, I ended up starting from the beginning and watched the whole thing. I thought it extremely well done. I liked that he went after the misinformation videos like that Loose Change garbage and all the other assorted con-men. I also liked that he used tons of evidence to support the video like his use of Sibel Edmonds, the courageous FBI whistleblower whom Mr. Giraldi has previously written about, whose story should be especially relevant and significant to people in lieu of all that is going on with Turkey nowadays. Thanks again and I'll be suggesting that video to others because it's hard to find docs that deal with such a serious matter in such a thorough way.

significant to people in lieu of all that is going on with Turkey nowadays

The stack got bigger and more massive with each floor it crashed through. So it blew through the remaining floors faster and faster. The stack would accelerate even if every floor took the same amount of energy to tear loose.

The top floors would have received resistance from the bottom floor, even if they crushed it, and hence decelerated, not fallen with free-fall rate of change, which is what was observed.

The celebrating Muslims were not fictional. Hatred of the US is extremely widespread. You're a complete naif if you don't understand that people all over the world, especially Muslims, got a lot of pleasure from 9/11.

The Sauds were intimately involved with Al Qaeda, but this is not exactly shocking. Since the hijackers were Saudi and Osama Bin Laden is from the Saudi elite.

The rest of the article is mostly just rumour. You repeat the bit about the Israeli saying on TV that he was there to document 9/11 as if that is a good point in your favour. It is not, it is the opposite. First, it suggests that you don't speak a second language and second, if I committed a momentous crime I wouldn't randomly admit to it on TV, would you? Indeed had I any foreknowledge of it I would be extremely careful with what I said on TV and he wasn't, he just has non native English.

One lady, from a distance, perceived 5 Israeli semi-vagrants (if you were younger and travelled in places like SE Asia, you'd know what I mean) to be celebrating. You have spun up anow entire theory from this. Isn't that nuts?

As I said on another thread. If the Israelis were as nefarious as you want them to be and if they were as cohesive and capable as your fevered dreams imagine them then they would not be setting up a group linked to Afghanistan. They would set up one of the hundreds of groups linked to Palestine. As the Israeli himself said in your article!

Furthermore if the plan was some ridiculously long timeline effort to convert a random blue sky think piece from the 80s into reality (Oded Yinon) then don't you think that the invasion of Afghanistan, which lasted much longer than Iraq, counts against you. What could that country possibly have to do with Israel?

This is a very poor quality article, written in Giraldi's normal style of confidently put assertion with no logic or substance to back it up. What evidence there is gets followed by ridiculous non sequiturs and outright dishonesty.

Who is paying you? Or has senility come early.

How dare you try to bring these cuckoo posters down to earth and down to reality! Idiot chile Obama blames everything on global warming while Giraldi’s groupies blame everything on the Jews. Those Jewish-Zionist mind rays are turned on 24-7, frying every Muslim and Christian brain on this planet. No Muslim or Christian has agency because there are always Zio-Jews pulling their strings.

BTW My take is Mr Giraldi is only half serious here but decided to toss out some red meat to the anti-Zio base. All bloggers do this from time to time.

Termite -- even military grade termite -- is useless against steel and concrete. It is only effective against wooden structures. Special forces, rangers, and other commando type units carry termite only in conditions, such as jungle warfare, where wood and wood-related materials are the most common building materials. [See Special Forces Jungle Demolition Techniques, US Armed Forces Publication US-A-SF-1076.3, 2007 edition,]

Termite can be defeated with Driver Army.
“…soldier termites spring into action, slicing their smaller opponents in half with a snap of their powerful jaws.”

How dare you try to bring these cuckoo posters down to earth and down to reality! Idiot chile Obama blames everything on global warming while Giraldi's groupies blame everything on the Jews. Those Jewish-Zionist mind rays are turned on 24-7, frying every Muslim and Christian brain on this planet. No Muslim or Christian has agency because there are always Zio-Jews pulling their strings.

BTW My take is Mr Giraldi is only half serious here but decided to toss out some red meat to the anti-Zio base. All bloggers do this from time to time.

Guess what, this story is old news. Everybody has heard about it and it actually got decent airplay on Fox in the immediate aftermath of the attack. American’s know and THEY DON’T CARE.

They don’t care about some dancing Israeli idiots on 9-11, they don’t care that we have expelled hundreds of thousands of Palestinians from the Land of Israel and they don’t care about the the Arabs we kill by the thousands whenever war breaks out. It’s not they they don’t know, they do. They just don’t care about the Palestinians, the Syrians, the Iranians or any Muslims for that matter, and nothing you say or do can ever change that.

And even if you somehow got them to care, which you won’t, what of it? We’d still have over 80 nuclear warheads with the ability to assemble another 80 tomorrow if we so wanted. We have a larger technological and industrial base than the entire Arab-Islamic world combined. Soon the remnants of the Palestinians will be dead or expelled and then we will begin expanding into the rest of the Lands that were promised to us. And the world will just yawn and go back to watching soccer. You, of course, will still be babbling in the Unz comment sections, likewise doing nothing to stop us.

So go out an adopt an Arab baby. They are an endangered species who won’t be around much longer. Enjoy the time you have remaining with them.

Soon the remnants of the Palestinians will be dead or expelled and then we will begin expanding into the rest of the Lands that were promised to us. And the world will just yawn and go back to watching soccer. You, of course, will still be babbling in the Unz comment sections, likewise doing nothing to stop us.

I commend you for speaking the truth, Greasy William. You are one of the few who does so.

So GW has dropped the gauntlet. What should be the response? Do we continue babbling or do we march?

Six million Palestinians....Wow....those are going to be some big ovens....No ,Mr Greasy?

Maybe you can use the steam from all that" cooking"...to power your desalinization plants and who knows....Maybe .Jodi Rudoren can do a smashing expose" for the New York Times on Israels outstanding contribution to green energy technology ....

On top of all that "clean" water you've created.... you've cut down the entire Palestinian population's "Carbon Foot Print" by 96 percent !

Should be a hit so long as no one calls it "Soylent Green" technology....

I could be mistaken about greasy, but I think I smell a whiff of satire. Which if it is, is pretty effective in painting the picture pretty much as it is. Because, as he says, people (Jews or Gentiles for the most part) really don't give a damn what happens to their fellow man as long as their misfortunes have no effect on their ability to shop for goodies and exist as human garbage disposal units.

Israelis are an 'other' with their own rational interests. These do not include flooding our nations with third worlders nor do they include us going to war in Afghanistan. I have no doubt that they try to influence us to support them in their endless struggle with the Palestinians but nor do I blame them.

9/11 neither furthered their interests nor diminished them. I imagine that many Israelis would have been secretly ecstatic if Palestinians had done 9/11 and I imagine that they could have assumed that Palestinians did it because Israelis have Palestinians on the mind.

To be fair to them, that's hardly an inhuman emotion.

Basically we just need to openly recognise where they're coming from and deal with them accordingly. We do not need to construct absurd conspiracy theories nor listen to the billion Muslims desperate to have us believe in them. They also have their own interests and due to their greater proximity with us, in Europe at least, they have more conflicting interests.

These points are not hard to understand. They are just standard realism with a dose of knowledge of humanity.

It makes zero sense for Israelis to blow up the twin towers and then frame an Afghan based movement. Not only because the risks are tremendous and it is utterly immoral and difficult to do but because they did not benefit.

This is my last post on this because I need to stop letting it waste my time but please stop letting this nonsense issue waste yours!

The degree of coordination and subsequent radio silence, required to carry out a conspiracy of this magnitude, is beyond human abilities. This would be the equivalent of many hundreds of Reichstag Fires. There may have been some foreknowledge on the part of various agencies, if only because the WTC had already been a target before, and the Phillipines had informed the Americans that according to their interrogations, Arab terrorists were considering using airplanes as guided missiles to bring down buildings.

Any individuals, who have set up a "movie camera" to film an event before it occurs...clearly have "apriori" knowledge of the event or its inevitability.......

If the event is a premeditated crime , like a robbery or a murder, failure to notify the police, of its impending nature would make you an accessory to the crime....No?

In the event that the crime is the greatest terrorist attack perpetrated against the United States since Pearl Harbor... failure to notify the FBI of its impending nature would make you an accessory to a terrorist act .

Any attempts by any newspaper, news organization, lobbying group, foreign country , or individual to impede, obfuscate , disavow ,or cover up the reality of this occurrence would make them an accessory, after the fact ,also .

Considering the United States is nearly "insolvent" from spending untold trillions of dollars of future generations of Americans tax money, fighting the heroic war on terror...don't we owe it to them to at least get the facts right ?

I don't really care if they were Muslims, Israeli's, or "Grandma's from Savannah"..

I say " If you can't do a "terrorists " time.....don't set up to film a 'terrorists" crime !

Take'em down.

Prior knowledge and failure to tell the police does not make a person an accessory to the crime at common law. The ethics/morality is obviously arguable depending on your moral premises/assumptions.

On the facts: setting up a movie camera might take very little time at all. It is only if it was set up facing the twin towers before the first tower was hit that the timing would be significant.

The high fiving might be more than you would expect of callous movie makers who have just scored some saleable footage but it isn’t what you’d expect of professionals in the intelligence business or even sidekicks who were at a level to have been let in on the great conspiracy or knowledge of others’ conspiracy.

Clearly noisy demonstrative filming of the event in a public place was no part of any Mossad plan or one it was monitoring. OK they may have been let down by amateurs which led to quick smart departure of their handlers. Even so, it is hard to believe that there was any precise knowledge by Mossad, or the Israeli government, of what was being planned, let alone any anticipation that some 3000 people were going to be killed, that the twin towers would collapse after being struck high up by aircraft or that large numbers of well connected Jews in financial firms were going to die because of actions that Israel could have prevented.

That’s not to say that Mossad didn’t know a lot more than the FBI and didn’t anticipate with satisfaction a terrorist outrage by ME Muslims which would further Israel’s interest in moving the US to military action. But that doesn’t even get you all the way to PG’s suspicions.

Let me take your argument about " prior knowledge" not functioning as an" accessory "to the crime, and place it in a future circumstance to see if it has merit.

Lets assume a terrorist attack is planned on the "freedom tower" exactly two months from now...If an individual or group of individuals have knowledge of the impending attack but choose not to inform the FBI, you are seriously trying to tell me they are NOT functioning" accessories" by aiding and abetting the enemy "to allow" the attack to take place. ?

Are you "actually" saying that , Mr Oz ?

Are there any law enforcement, or counter terrorism experts out there who can set the record straight on this ?

I don't know anything about "dancing Israelis," but I clearly remember seeing footage of dancing, celebrating Muslims on my TV screen early during the 9/11 attacks — footage which was quickly pulled and which I've never seen since.

In May of 2001, by presidential order, Cheney was handed direct control of all wargame and drill operations. This meant he was solely in charge of the overlapping NORAD drills and wargames on the morning of 9/11, that prevented Standard Operating Procedure from being implemented, and any of the hijacked planes being intercepted.

Besides the money and the training and the motives behind the suicidal hijackings themselves, there's the lingering matter of numerous eyewitness accounts by police and firemen which claimed "multiple explosions" at WTC before the two towers fell.

There are also simmering questions relating to the presence of thermite and melted steel at Ground Zero.

And there's also at least one other extraordinary irregularity.

Unbeknownst to millions of Americans even today, a third NYC skyscraper fell on 9/11 despite the fact that this modern, steel structure was never hit by an airplane.

The 47-story-tall 'Building 7' collapsed into it own footprint at free-fall speed on the afternoon of Sept. 11th.

A structural failure of this magnitude has never been seen before or since.

This spectacular event was captured LIVE on film and has inspired a movement of architects and engineers (lead by Richard Gage, AIA) to 're-investigate 9/11'.

Oddly, the Commission that was created to officially investigate the details of 9/11 did not examine Building 7's unique collapse. Curious, that.

Further, it must be acknowledged that many of the key investigators on the 9/11 Commission had either strong, personal ties to the State of Israel, or long and close affiliations with Israel's lobby inside the United States. This inevitable bias is also applicable to many of America's top news and entertainment executives. Thus, the thundering silence from NY to Hollywood over 911's lingering 'mysteries'.

To what extent then have political pressures influenced the 'findings' and 'lessons' of 9/11?

Was there a conflict-of-interest in play among some of the key investigators inside the 9/11 Commission itself?

These persistent, unanswered questions suggest an even greater 'who-done-it'.

Who will finally unravel and distill the story behind the incremental hijacking of America's ruling class?

Dear Mr Green,

In your statement you suggest that the official 9-11 commission report fails to include any investigation of the collapse of building number 7.

Is that true?

If it is, has anyone asked the commission why building number 7 was not investigated and what its rationale was for excluding it ?

The WTC 7 'report' was undertaken later, sort of like an 'ok, so we can't get away with ignoring that' footnote ... where it was decided a single column failed and that's why the entire structure fell in its footprint.

They could just as easily say the United States government believes in virgin birth [certainly true at the Pentagon and largely true in the halls of Congress] and then have NASA report the moon is made of green cheese and if you have mainstream media will ignore it, it'd work just as well.

Here's a good break down of the dancing not-Muslim peoples from a certain not-to-be-named-in-connection-with-9/11-country in the middle east- watch the whole doc, I'd suggest, but the particular info is from appx the 14 min to 30 min mark:

Besides the money and the training and the motives behind the suicidal hijackings themselves, there's the lingering matter of numerous eyewitness accounts by police and firemen which claimed "multiple explosions" at WTC before the two towers fell.

There are also simmering questions relating to the presence of thermite and melted steel at Ground Zero.

And there's also at least one other extraordinary irregularity.

Unbeknownst to millions of Americans even today, a third NYC skyscraper fell on 9/11 despite the fact that this modern, steel structure was never hit by an airplane.

The 47-story-tall 'Building 7' collapsed into it own footprint at free-fall speed on the afternoon of Sept. 11th.

A structural failure of this magnitude has never been seen before or since.

This spectacular event was captured LIVE on film and has inspired a movement of architects and engineers (lead by Richard Gage, AIA) to 're-investigate 9/11'.

Oddly, the Commission that was created to officially investigate the details of 9/11 did not examine Building 7's unique collapse. Curious, that.

Further, it must be acknowledged that many of the key investigators on the 9/11 Commission had either strong, personal ties to the State of Israel, or long and close affiliations with Israel's lobby inside the United States. This inevitable bias is also applicable to many of America's top news and entertainment executives. Thus, the thundering silence from NY to Hollywood over 911's lingering 'mysteries'.

To what extent then have political pressures influenced the 'findings' and 'lessons' of 9/11?

Was there a conflict-of-interest in play among some of the key investigators inside the 9/11 Commission itself?

These persistent, unanswered questions suggest an even greater 'who-done-it'.

Who will finally unravel and distill the story behind the incremental hijacking of America's ruling class?

Oddly, the Commission that was created to officially investigate the details of 9/11 did not examine Building 7′s unique collapse. Curious, that.

Nothing odd about it, at all. The 9/11 Commission was not tasked to officially investigate the details of any of the three towers that collapsed that day, 1 WTC, 2 WTC, 7 WTC. That investigation was left to NIST, National Institute of Standards and Technology, which indeed investigated the details of the collapse of all three buildings, including 7 WTC.

btw – when I did a search of 7 WTC in the official 9/11 Commission Report, it came back with five hits.

We know what brought the twin towers down. Building 7 is a different matter. That one still strikes me as strange and have never seen what I regard as a reasonable explanation of it.

I have seen an account which seemed plausible. It was all about the critical temperature being reached in the steel frame and that took most of the day in the absence of great quantities of aviation fuel carried into the heart of the building.

For the twin towers that works. I'm satisfied that the fuel fires fed by the aircraft fuel tanks were enough to bring down the towers (I'm a Civil Engineer). Building 7 is a much different kettle of fish. I have seen no reason why that came down. It was not hit by the aircraft that hit the twin towers.

Little has been said about Building 7, however. You may know something I don't, but I haven't heard there was a fire in that building.

Prior knowledge and failure to tell the police does not make a person an accessory to the crime at common law. The ethics/morality is obviously arguable depending on your moral premises/assumptions.

On the facts: setting up a movie camera might take very little time at all. It is only if it was set up facing the twin towers before the first tower was hit that the timing would be significant.

The high fiving might be more than you would expect of callous movie makers who have just scored some saleable footage but it isn't what you'd expect of professionals in the intelligence business or even sidekicks who were at a level to have been let in on the great conspiracy or knowledge of others' conspiracy.

Clearly noisy demonstrative filming of the event in a public place was no part of any Mossad plan or one it was monitoring. OK they may have been let down by amateurs which led to quick smart departure of their handlers. Even so, it is hard to believe that there was any precise knowledge by Mossad, or the Israeli government, of what was being planned, let alone any anticipation that some 3000 people were going to be killed, that the twin towers would collapse after being struck high up by aircraft or that large numbers of well connected Jews in financial firms were going to die because of actions that Israel could have prevented.

That's not to say that Mossad didn't know a lot more than the FBI and didn't anticipate with satisfaction a terrorist outrage by ME Muslims which would further Israel's interest in moving the US to military action. But that doesn't even get you all the way to PG's suspicions.

Mr Oz,

Let me take your argument about ” prior knowledge” not functioning as an” accessory “to the crime, and place it in a future circumstance to see if it has merit.

Lets assume a terrorist attack is planned on the “freedom tower” exactly two months from now…If an individual or group of individuals have knowledge of the impending attack but choose not to inform the FBI, you are seriously trying to tell me they are NOT functioning” accessories” by aiding and abetting the enemy “to allow” the attack to take place. ?

Are you “actually” saying that , Mr Oz ?

Are there any law enforcement, or counter terrorism experts out there who can set the record straight on this ?

You remind me of the frustrations counsel (or member of a committee of inquiry) suffer when confronted by a "non-responsive" witness. They, like you , refuse to talk about the same subject matter as their legally qualified interlocutors .

You have effectually refused to engage with me by pretending - even putting them in quotes, though used eccentrically - that that I have "made an argument" about prior knowledge "not functioning as" an accessory to the crime. I find it difficult to know how to engage with someone who invokes the technical legal concept of an accessory (scil. before the fact) to a felony but hasn't bothered to look it up for himself and uses nonsensical language about it.

Really it is quite simple. Not disclosing knowledge of a crime someone is about to commit .might amount to a tort - a civil wrong - or even a breach of contract or a fiduciary duty but is not regarded by the common law as aiding and abetting, or inciting, so as to make the person an accessory to a felony.

You may find someone with knowledge of some American state law or even a federal statute which redefines "accessory" - or you could try an internet search for such local variation of the common law - but I doubt that you will.

Guess what, this story is old news. Everybody has heard about it and it actually got decent airplay on Fox in the immediate aftermath of the attack. American's know and THEY DON'T CARE.

They don't care about some dancing Israeli idiots on 9-11, they don't care that we have expelled hundreds of thousands of Palestinians from the Land of Israel and they don't care about the the Arabs we kill by the thousands whenever war breaks out. It's not they they don't know, they do. They just don't care about the Palestinians, the Syrians, the Iranians or any Muslims for that matter, and nothing you say or do can ever change that.

And even if you somehow got them to care, which you won't, what of it? We'd still have over 80 nuclear warheads with the ability to assemble another 80 tomorrow if we so wanted. We have a larger technological and industrial base than the entire Arab-Islamic world combined. Soon the remnants of the Palestinians will be dead or expelled and then we will begin expanding into the rest of the Lands that were promised to us. And the world will just yawn and go back to watching soccer. You, of course, will still be babbling in the Unz comment sections, likewise doing nothing to stop us.

So go out an adopt an Arab baby. They are an endangered species who won't be around much longer. Enjoy the time you have remaining with them.

Soon the remnants of the Palestinians will be dead or expelled and then we will begin expanding into the rest of the Lands that were promised to us. And the world will just yawn and go back to watching soccer. You, of course, will still be babbling in the Unz comment sections, likewise doing nothing to stop us.

I commend you for speaking the truth, Greasy William. You are one of the few who does so.

So GW has dropped the gauntlet. What should be the response? Do we continue babbling or do we march?

Long before Sept 11 2001 attacks—1996–Israel Firsters proposed to Bill Clinton–7 middle East countries need to be destroyed. Wake up fools.
Any bets–Donald Trump will appoint Dick Cheney as Vice President in 2016

Oddly, the Commission that was created to officially investigate the details of 9/11 did not examine Building 7′s unique collapse. Curious, that.

Nothing odd about it, at all. The 9/11 Commission was not tasked to officially investigate the details of any of the three towers that collapsed that day, 1 WTC, 2 WTC, 7 WTC. That investigation was left to NIST, National Institute of Standards and Technology, which indeed investigated the details of the collapse of all three buildings, including 7 WTC.

btw - when I did a search of 7 WTC in the official 9/11 Commission Report, it came back with five hits.

Perhaps the "military grade thermite" came from the same source as the military grade anthrax spores -- which was determined to be a US military installation. Is one any less likely than the other?

I have no idea what you are referring to, but there are a number of countries that from which Anthrax could have been obtained. Thermite is a much different kettle of fish, and the handling requirements of the stuff would get a casual user killed. Thermite grenades were something the Navy uses to destroy classified radio transmitters if a ship is to be abandoned to shallow waters. You simply pull the pin, allow the spoon to release and place it on the highest transmitter in the stack. It will burn through the transmitters and the hull of the ship as well. You can’t put it out either. Thermite as the agent for destruction of the two towers is completely implausible as it would have required a massive amount of the stuff to bring down one tower, much less two. That’s about as plausible as believing explosive charges were built into the structure as one loon ball thought.

I have seen an account which seemed plausible. It was all about the critical temperature being reached in the steel frame and that took most of the day in the absence of great quantities of aviation fuel carried into the heart of the building.

For the twin towers that works. I’m satisfied that the fuel fires fed by the aircraft fuel tanks were enough to bring down the towers (I’m a Civil Engineer). Building 7 is a much different kettle of fish. I have seen no reason why that came down. It was not hit by the aircraft that hit the twin towers.

Little has been said about Building 7, however. You may know something I don’t, but I haven’t heard there was a fire in that building.

I've found the UK Daily Mail report that I had particularly in mind by Googling "how did the fire start in WTC7". It shows that somehow fires started early and the collapse occurred at 5.12pm supporting the view that what was required was application of heat for a long time. I would be intrrested to know what you think.

Controlled demolition charges brought all three building down in identical fashion, which is evidenced by the fact that although Building 7 was not hit by a plane of any sort, it collapse exactly like the Twin Towers. There simply is no other explanation and only an ignorant fool would claim otherwise.

Termite -- even military grade termite -- is useless against steel and concrete. It is only effective against wooden structures. Special forces, rangers, and other commando type units carry termite only in conditions, such as jungle warfare, where wood and wood-related materials are the most common building materials. [See Special Forces Jungle Demolition Techniques, US Armed Forces Publication US-A-SF-1076.3, 2007 edition,]

Thermite will burn through steel. See my earlier response on the matter. To do what a Thermite Grenade will do to a steel hull, however, requires long exposure from something like a thermite grenade. It would require massive amounts of very hard to handle thermite to have brought those buildings down. The Jet A the aircraft carried as fuel would, however, do the job with the length of exposure we saw.

Perhaps the "military grade thermite" came from the same source as the military grade anthrax spores -- which was determined to be a US military installation. Is one any less likely than the other?

And I would add that the anthrax attacks were very a very important part of the over-all false-flag attack of 9/11. And as you correctly stated the military grade anthrax used to terrorize the general population and the Nano-thermite used to bring down all three high-rises in their own foot-prints at free-fall acceleration were both developed and perfected in US military laboratories. So, although numerous and varied details of the operation will never be known, it should be obvious to anyone of average intelligence who master-minded the entire affair and has since provided the necessary cover-up, including the official but transparently bogus 9/11 Investigation conducted by the US government.

I think this is the first time I see an article about the dancing israelis in a serious publication.

Which is nice. This is not something that should stay confined in /pol/ threads and yellow sites.

That there were Israelis in this country that celebrated has been known for quite some time. There are also Mossad agents in this country, just we have agents in Israel. I firmly believe Mossad knew what was being planned and said nothing to us about it. Just as with the attack on the Liberty, the Israelis really aren’t our friends, although they have been dependent upon us for aid and military equipment.

And, no, I don’t think our foreign policy is owned by the Israelis or the Israel lobby. It has been in our interest to support them. We get drawn into certain conflicts because of the incompetency of so much of the foreign policy establishment. We’ve seen this off and on throughout my adult life. Carter, Clinton, and Obama have been pretty egregious on this count. Bush I gave us the first Iraq because of an idiot in one of our embassies and Saddam thought we were his friend because of our support during the Iran-Iraq war.

I think you might want to qualify your postulate of foreknowledge by the Israelis because you don't sound like those cranks with little sense of probability who could imagine high level Israel government people standing back in silence if they had any idea if the magnitude of the damage and death toll that would result.

There was nobody to listen. When the warnings were delivered, the W administration paid no attention. What else one could expect from the incompetent, sycophants, and psychopaths that make the core of the US government? The well-connectedness and money are no warranty for decency and competence. It is worth remembering that Bush the lesser was appointed by the conservative activist-judges.

"The 9/11 Commission will later state that after the now famous “bin Laden Determined to Strike in US” memo is given to President Bush on August 6, 2001, “We have found no indication of any further discussion before September 11 among the president and his top advisers of the possibility of a threat of an al-Qaeda attack in the United States.” By the way, there’s a credible case that the president’s own negligence prior to 9/11 at least in part contributed to the disaster in the first place.… [I]n the summer of 2001, the government ignored repeated warnings by the CIA, ignored, and didn’t do anything to harden our border security, didn’t do anything to harden airport country, didn’t do anything to engage local law enforcement, didn’t do anything to round up INS and consular offices and say we have to shut this down, and didn’t warn the American people.."
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a080601ranchmemo#a080601ranchmemo
http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB147/

The lawsuit mentioned was a interesting ruse; one of the many weapons in the Israeli lawfare arsenal. There was never any intention on the part of the plaintiffs to prosecute the lawsuit. The purpose was the publicity the filing of the suit garnered and the conclusions drawn by the untrained public ( No guilty party would ever file a suit against his accuser. The trial would only reinforce his guilt. The Israeli plaintiffs must therefore be innocent of any wrongdoing) . You see, the lawsuit was filed, but the papers were never served and the suit did not go to court. But for a three dollar certified mail fee and five minutes at the post office, the lawsuit evaporated.

Let me take your argument about " prior knowledge" not functioning as an" accessory "to the crime, and place it in a future circumstance to see if it has merit.

Lets assume a terrorist attack is planned on the "freedom tower" exactly two months from now...If an individual or group of individuals have knowledge of the impending attack but choose not to inform the FBI, you are seriously trying to tell me they are NOT functioning" accessories" by aiding and abetting the enemy "to allow" the attack to take place. ?

Are you "actually" saying that , Mr Oz ?

Are there any law enforcement, or counter terrorism experts out there who can set the record straight on this ?

You remind me of the frustrations counsel (or member of a committee of inquiry) suffer when confronted by a “non-responsive” witness. They, like you , refuse to talk about the same subject matter as their legally qualified interlocutors .

You have effectually refused to engage with me by pretending – even putting them in quotes, though used eccentrically – that that I have “made an argument” about prior knowledge “not functioning as” an accessory to the crime. I find it difficult to know how to engage with someone who invokes the technical legal concept of an accessory (scil. before the fact) to a felony but hasn’t bothered to look it up for himself and uses nonsensical language about it.

Really it is quite simple. Not disclosing knowledge of a crime someone is about to commit .might amount to a tort – a civil wrong – or even a breach of contract or a fiduciary duty but is not regarded by the common law as aiding and abetting, or inciting, so as to make the person an accessory to a felony.

You may find someone with knowledge of some American state law or even a federal statute which redefines “accessory” – or you could try an internet search for such local variation of the common law – but I doubt that you will.

If , as you keep insisting, that having "prior knowledge" of a pending terrorist attack and Not acting on it to stop it ...is not aiding and abetting the enemy.... or acting as an accessory to the "crime," ..... then why is it considered "material support for terrorism" under U.S. federal law ?

UNITED STATES FEDERAL STATUTES ON TERRORISM

8.U.S.C.1182

"on material support for terrorism"

"Section VI (BB) " To any individual who the actor knows, or reasonably should know, has committed or has plans to commit a terrorist activity."

Mr Oz , If you are so intent on expressing your legal savvy on what does and does not constitute aiding "terrorists...why not pull up the statute on it ?

And why are you so concerned in protecting individuals who may have had prior knowledge of the pending attacks on the world trade center and chose not to do everything in their power to stop this horrible tragedy by notifying the FBI or the police ?

That there were Israelis in this country that celebrated has been known for quite some time. There are also Mossad agents in this country, just we have agents in Israel. I firmly believe Mossad knew what was being planned and said nothing to us about it. Just as with the attack on the Liberty, the Israelis really aren't our friends, although they have been dependent upon us for aid and military equipment.

And, no, I don't think our foreign policy is owned by the Israelis or the Israel lobby. It has been in our interest to support them. We get drawn into certain conflicts because of the incompetency of so much of the foreign policy establishment. We've seen this off and on throughout my adult life. Carter, Clinton, and Obama have been pretty egregious on this count. Bush I gave us the first Iraq because of an idiot in one of our embassies and Saddam thought we were his friend because of our support during the Iran-Iraq war.

I think you might want to qualify your postulate of foreknowledge by the Israelis because you don’t sound like those cranks with little sense of probability who could imagine high level Israel government people standing back in silence if they had any idea if the magnitude of the damage and death toll that would result.

Asked tonight what the attack meant for relations between the United States and Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu, the former prime minister, replied, ”It’s very good.” Then he edited himself: ”Well, not very good, but it will generate immediate sympathy.” He predicted that the attack would ”strengthen the bond between our two peoples, because we’ve experienced terror over so many decades, but the United States has now experienced a massive hemorrhaging of terror.”

In an appearance late tonight, Prime Minister Ariel Sharon repeatedly placed Israel on the same ground as the United States, calling the assault an attack on ”our common values” and declaring, ”I believe together we can defeat these forces of evil.” He declared Wednesday a day of mourning.

Uzi Landau, Israel’s minister for public security, said that the government had never imagined an assault of this size, let alone had its intelligence network gleaned any warning of its approach. He sounded astounded. ”We had a number of different scenarios for large terrorist attack,” he said in a telephone interview tonight. ”But this particular concerted offensive against the United States, targeting the World Trade buildings, at the same time hitting Washington — this we didn’t consider.”

-James Bennet ‘A Day of Terror: The Israelis; Spilled Blood Is Seen as Bond That Draws 2 Nations Closer’ New York Times 11 Sep 2001

For the twin towers that works. I'm satisfied that the fuel fires fed by the aircraft fuel tanks were enough to bring down the towers (I'm a Civil Engineer). Building 7 is a much different kettle of fish. I have seen no reason why that came down. It was not hit by the aircraft that hit the twin towers.

Little has been said about Building 7, however. You may know something I don't, but I haven't heard there was a fire in that building.

I’ve found the UK Daily Mail report that I had particularly in mind by Googling “how did the fire start in WTC7″. It shows that somehow fires started early and the collapse occurred at 5.12pm supporting the view that what was required was application of heat for a long time. I would be intrrested to know what you think.

Guess what, this story is old news. Everybody has heard about it and it actually got decent airplay on Fox in the immediate aftermath of the attack. American's know and THEY DON'T CARE.

They don't care about some dancing Israeli idiots on 9-11, they don't care that we have expelled hundreds of thousands of Palestinians from the Land of Israel and they don't care about the the Arabs we kill by the thousands whenever war breaks out. It's not they they don't know, they do. They just don't care about the Palestinians, the Syrians, the Iranians or any Muslims for that matter, and nothing you say or do can ever change that.

And even if you somehow got them to care, which you won't, what of it? We'd still have over 80 nuclear warheads with the ability to assemble another 80 tomorrow if we so wanted. We have a larger technological and industrial base than the entire Arab-Islamic world combined. Soon the remnants of the Palestinians will be dead or expelled and then we will begin expanding into the rest of the Lands that were promised to us. And the world will just yawn and go back to watching soccer. You, of course, will still be babbling in the Unz comment sections, likewise doing nothing to stop us.

So go out an adopt an Arab baby. They are an endangered species who won't be around much longer. Enjoy the time you have remaining with them.

Wow Mr Greasy,

So the plan , take all their “living space”and exterminate.?

Hmmmm

It looks like you have “the final solution” for the Palestinian ” problem” just about all fleshed out.

But if nobody “cares” , as you say, why wait for war as a pretext for ‘extermination” ?

Why not just get the ball rolling right now?

How many Palestinians do you plan to exterminate, Mr Greasy, ….the whole lot ?

That’s quite a few….what is that…. six million, seven million Palestinians slated for extermination?

That seems like an awful lot of dead bodies you will have to contend with Mr Greasy…a real logistical problem …No?

Maybe you can do “mass graves” to cut down on the amount of living space used up by proper burials ?

Six million Palestinians….Wow….those are going to be some big ovens….No ,Mr Greasy?

Maybe you can use the steam from all that” cooking”…to power your desalinization plants and who knows….Maybe .Jodi Rudoren can do a smashing expose” for the New York Times on Israels outstanding contribution to green energy technology ….

On top of all that “clean” water you’ve created…. you’ve cut down the entire Palestinian population’s “Carbon Foot Print” by 96 percent !

Should be a hit so long as no one calls it “Soylent Green” technology….

For the twin towers that works. I'm satisfied that the fuel fires fed by the aircraft fuel tanks were enough to bring down the towers (I'm a Civil Engineer). Building 7 is a much different kettle of fish. I have seen no reason why that came down. It was not hit by the aircraft that hit the twin towers.

Little has been said about Building 7, however. You may know something I don't, but I haven't heard there was a fire in that building.

It's good that Philip Giraldi points the finger at Israel but he IS somewhat coy about the charges. That Israel might have had an involvement in 9/11 is a bit like saying they might have been involved in the USS Liberty attack.

Briefly: The 'dancing Israelis' who by their own admission were there to 'record the event' thereby admitting pre-knowledge of the attack. Israeli-owned Odigo Systems whose employees were given advance warning and cleared the building, ICTS, the Israeli-owned airport security firm which controlled all airports from which the alleged hijackers boarded, and the inexplicable roles of Philip Zelekow, Dov Zakheim and Larry Silverstein among many others.

I think its a slightly unfair inference. Giraldi is simply saying we can’t know more until critical intel is released and / or a more serious investigative effort is attempted. As such, I’m quite satisified with Mr. Giraldi at least attempting to shed light on this issue, however “coy” it might be perceived.

And I would add that the anthrax attacks were very a very important part of the over-all false-flag attack of 9/11. And as you correctly stated the military grade anthrax used to terrorize the general population and the Nano-thermite used to bring down all three high-rises in their own foot-prints at free-fall acceleration were both developed and perfected in US military laboratories. So, although numerous and varied details of the operation will never be known, it should be obvious to anyone of average intelligence who master-minded the entire affair and has since provided the necessary cover-up, including the official but transparently bogus 9/11 Investigation conducted by the US government.

… the anthrax attacks were very a very important part of the over-all false-flag attack of 9/11.

Here’s a comment I previously posted here at UR:

Speaking of “Still a whodunit and nobody cares anymore,” whatever happened to the investigation into the Anthrax attacks?

The letters containing anthrax that were sent to Senators Patrick Leahy and Tom Daschle, (both had been attempting to slow the passage of the USA PATRIOT Act), read:

09-11-01
YOU CAN NOT STOP US.
WE HAVE THIS ANTHRAX.
YOU DIE NOW.
ARE YOU AFRAID?
DEATH TO AMERICA.
DEATH TO ISRAEL.
ALLAH IS GREAT.

That there were Israelis in this country that celebrated has been known for quite some time. There are also Mossad agents in this country, just we have agents in Israel. I firmly believe Mossad knew what was being planned and said nothing to us about it. Just as with the attack on the Liberty, the Israelis really aren't our friends, although they have been dependent upon us for aid and military equipment.

And, no, I don't think our foreign policy is owned by the Israelis or the Israel lobby. It has been in our interest to support them. We get drawn into certain conflicts because of the incompetency of so much of the foreign policy establishment. We've seen this off and on throughout my adult life. Carter, Clinton, and Obama have been pretty egregious on this count. Bush I gave us the first Iraq because of an idiot in one of our embassies and Saddam thought we were his friend because of our support during the Iran-Iraq war.

And, no, I don’t think our foreign policy is owned by the Israelis or the Israel lobby. It has been in our interest to support them.

This contradicts the main thesis of M&W in The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy. Why don’t you provide us with a quick summary of where you think the two professors fell short?

Indeed I wondered why he made the distinction given that Israeli supporting money is obviously, like other lobby groups' money on more mundane matters, very important to individual Congressmen and even Senators. But I suppose he might say that the White House and State Department, who are the principal makeers of policy, are not bought (and Cheney and Rumsfeld didn't need to be).

Besides the money and the training and the motives behind the suicidal hijackings themselves, there's the lingering matter of numerous eyewitness accounts by police and firemen which claimed "multiple explosions" at WTC before the two towers fell.

There are also simmering questions relating to the presence of thermite and melted steel at Ground Zero.

And there's also at least one other extraordinary irregularity.

Unbeknownst to millions of Americans even today, a third NYC skyscraper fell on 9/11 despite the fact that this modern, steel structure was never hit by an airplane.

The 47-story-tall 'Building 7' collapsed into it own footprint at free-fall speed on the afternoon of Sept. 11th.

A structural failure of this magnitude has never been seen before or since.

This spectacular event was captured LIVE on film and has inspired a movement of architects and engineers (lead by Richard Gage, AIA) to 're-investigate 9/11'.

Oddly, the Commission that was created to officially investigate the details of 9/11 did not examine Building 7's unique collapse. Curious, that.

Further, it must be acknowledged that many of the key investigators on the 9/11 Commission had either strong, personal ties to the State of Israel, or long and close affiliations with Israel's lobby inside the United States. This inevitable bias is also applicable to many of America's top news and entertainment executives. Thus, the thundering silence from NY to Hollywood over 911's lingering 'mysteries'.

To what extent then have political pressures influenced the 'findings' and 'lessons' of 9/11?

Was there a conflict-of-interest in play among some of the key investigators inside the 9/11 Commission itself?

These persistent, unanswered questions suggest an even greater 'who-done-it'.

Who will finally unravel and distill the story behind the incremental hijacking of America's ruling class?

The truth regarding 9/11 has no doubt been stated, but most people, including me, wouldn’t be able to identify it as such even if we heard it (and many of us may not have).

The matter will never be settled, any more than the explosion of the Hindenburg (in 1937) or a thousand other such (incendiary, most of them) matters ever will be.

Every explanation, including the correct one, is a conspiracy theory. Most truths, most errors, and most lies always are. You have a wide choice of what to believe, if you dare, or manage to, believe anything truly explanatory.

The US government's official explanation of 9/11 is, by far, the most ridiculous conspiracy theory of them all. With the possible exception of the "nuclear bomb" trolls and the "hologram" trolls. However, these two groups are obviously working as hasbara trolls and being paid by Israel to clutter up the comment section of serious 9/11 Truth web sites with bizarre comments for the purpose of encouraging casual readers to dismiss all doubters of the government's version as tin-hat dig-bats.

In your statement you suggest that the official 9-11 commission report fails to include any investigation of the collapse of building number 7.

Is that true?

If it is, has anyone asked the commission why building number 7 was not investigated and what its rationale was for excluding it ?

It is , after all , a pretty big building to miss.

The WTC 7 ‘report’ was undertaken later, sort of like an ‘ok, so we can’t get away with ignoring that’ footnote … where it was decided a single column failed and that’s why the entire structure fell in its footprint.

They could just as easily say the United States government believes in virgin birth [certainly true at the Pentagon and largely true in the halls of Congress] and then have NASA report the moon is made of green cheese and if you have mainstream media will ignore it, it’d work just as well.

That there were Israelis in this country that celebrated has been known for quite some time. There are also Mossad agents in this country, just we have agents in Israel. I firmly believe Mossad knew what was being planned and said nothing to us about it. Just as with the attack on the Liberty, the Israelis really aren't our friends, although they have been dependent upon us for aid and military equipment.

And, no, I don't think our foreign policy is owned by the Israelis or the Israel lobby. It has been in our interest to support them. We get drawn into certain conflicts because of the incompetency of so much of the foreign policy establishment. We've seen this off and on throughout my adult life. Carter, Clinton, and Obama have been pretty egregious on this count. Bush I gave us the first Iraq because of an idiot in one of our embassies and Saddam thought we were his friend because of our support during the Iran-Iraq war.

“… knew what was being planned and said nothing to us about it..”

There was nobody to listen. When the warnings were delivered, the W administration paid no attention. What else one could expect from the incompetent, sycophants, and psychopaths that make the core of the US government? The well-connectedness and money are no warranty for decency and competence. It is worth remembering that Bush the lesser was appointed by the conservative activist-judges.

“The 9/11 Commission will later state that after the now famous “bin Laden Determined to Strike in US” memo is given to President Bush on August 6, 2001, “We have found no indication of any further discussion before September 11 among the president and his top advisers of the possibility of a threat of an al-Qaeda attack in the United States.” By the way, there’s a credible case that the president’s own negligence prior to 9/11 at least in part contributed to the disaster in the first place.… [I]n the summer of 2001, the government ignored repeated warnings by the CIA, ignored, and didn’t do anything to harden our border security, didn’t do anything to harden airport country, didn’t do anything to engage local law enforcement, didn’t do anything to round up INS and consular offices and say we have to shut this down, and didn’t warn the American people..”

You remind me of the frustrations counsel (or member of a committee of inquiry) suffer when confronted by a "non-responsive" witness. They, like you , refuse to talk about the same subject matter as their legally qualified interlocutors .

You have effectually refused to engage with me by pretending - even putting them in quotes, though used eccentrically - that that I have "made an argument" about prior knowledge "not functioning as" an accessory to the crime. I find it difficult to know how to engage with someone who invokes the technical legal concept of an accessory (scil. before the fact) to a felony but hasn't bothered to look it up for himself and uses nonsensical language about it.

Really it is quite simple. Not disclosing knowledge of a crime someone is about to commit .might amount to a tort - a civil wrong - or even a breach of contract or a fiduciary duty but is not regarded by the common law as aiding and abetting, or inciting, so as to make the person an accessory to a felony.

You may find someone with knowledge of some American state law or even a federal statute which redefines "accessory" - or you could try an internet search for such local variation of the common law - but I doubt that you will.

Dear Mr Oz,

If , as you keep insisting, that having “prior knowledge” of a pending terrorist attack and Not acting on it to stop it …is not aiding and abetting the enemy…. or acting as an accessory to the “crime,” ….. then why is it considered “material support for terrorism” under U.S. federal law ?

UNITED STATES FEDERAL STATUTES ON TERRORISM

8.U.S.C.1182

“on material support for terrorism”

“Section VI (BB) ” To any individual who the actor knows, or reasonably should know, has committed or has plans to commit a terrorist activity.”

Mr Oz , If you are so intent on expressing your legal savvy on what does and does not constitute aiding “terrorists…why not pull up the statute on it ?

And why are you so concerned in protecting individuals who may have had prior knowledge of the pending attacks on the world trade center and chose not to do everything in their power to stop this horrible tragedy by notifying the FBI or the police ?

The WTC 7 'report' was undertaken later, sort of like an 'ok, so we can't get away with ignoring that' footnote ... where it was decided a single column failed and that's why the entire structure fell in its footprint.

They could just as easily say the United States government believes in virgin birth [certainly true at the Pentagon and largely true in the halls of Congress] and then have NASA report the moon is made of green cheese and if you have mainstream media will ignore it, it'd work just as well.

So the official report states that the building collapsed due to “column failure “?

Does it say why the column or columns failed….or just that (it)they did ?

The NASA's explanation of why Building 7 collapsed is that a single massive steel column (column 7 I believe) failed due to being heated by common office fires fueled by office furniture that would have consisted of desks, filing cabinets, carpet, note-pads, pens and pencils, telephones, and perhaps cubicle partitions made of metal frames covered with a thin, sound-absorbing material. A theory that is so ridiculous until it's beyond laughable.

I am in possession of a smoking gun for the 9/11 attacks. The entire Twin Towers event is disclosed at https://sites.google.com/site/doculeaks/executive-docs. The “letters” should be read first, and then the “’97 diagrams” and then everything else. A set of codes hidden within a work of scholarship published in 1997 in Lanham, Maryland, shows a clear blueprint for the World Trade Center demolitions. This material was sent out to many beginning in 2004. The question is, why is no newspaper responding to the evidence?

PG, true to form, Bill O’Reilly had a segment on last night dealing with Trump’s assertion that there were thousands of Muslims in NJ celebrating the fall of the Twin Towers on 9/11, and guess what? No mention at all about the “dancing Israelis.” BTW O’Reilly’s guest tonight will be Donald Trump himself.

Originally, Donald Trump was scheduled to appear on the O'Reilly Factor last night, but he got usurped by the breaking story of the mass shootings in San Bernadino. There was no word about a rescheduling of Trump's appearance, or, if there was, I missed it.

And, no, I don’t think our foreign policy is owned by the Israelis or the Israel lobby. It has been in our interest to support them.

This contradicts the main thesis of M&W in The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy. Why don't you provide us with a quick summary of where you think the two professors fell short?

Indeed I wondered why he made the distinction given that Israeli supporting money is obviously, like other lobby groups’ money on more mundane matters, very important to individual Congressmen and even Senators. But I suppose he might say that the White House and State Department, who are the principal makeers of policy, are not bought (and Cheney and Rumsfeld didn’t need to be).

But I suppose he might say that the White House and State Department... are not bought

Here's a couple of exchanges I had with Sam Shama:

geokat62: Further to my previous comment, as was made abundantly clear during Ron Paul’s 2012 presidential campaign, there is little chance the gatekeepers would permit a strong candidate to become either party’s presidential candidate, let alone POTUS.

SS: … knowing fully well that all it takes is one determined POTUS to say NO firmly. I really wish that would happen.

geokat62: As long as presidential election campaigns cost over $1B and the Lobby underwrites the bulk of those costs, there is little chance a POTUS will just say NO, firmly or otherwise.

Surprised someone with a +7σ IQ wouldn’t know this, Sam. You wouldn’t be trying to play us dumb goy for fools, again, would you? It’s probably something that is difficult for you to resist… but really, you need to try harder.

He wrote, "That was termite, military grade." I think he meant "thermite", not "termite". I think it was just a misspelling.

Yes, it should have been treated as a probable slip of the kind or one of the kinds of which everyone is capable rather than a reflection of his command of English or plain ignorance. But why then does he seem to claim at #67 that he was consciously using the word “termite” figuratively? That’s kindergarten level excuse making.

I am in possession of a smoking gun for the 9/11 attacks. The entire Twin Towers event is disclosed at https://sites.google.com/site/doculeaks/executive-docs. The "letters" should be read first, and then the "'97 diagrams" and then everything else. A set of codes hidden within a work of scholarship published in 1997 in Lanham, Maryland, shows a clear blueprint for the World Trade Center demolitions. This material was sent out to many beginning in 2004. The question is, why is no newspaper responding to the evidence?

I hope it does as well for you as the Da Vinci Code did for Dan Brown.

but then, let's examine the kind of mind that considers the quest for the truth as absurd, shall we?

first what to call them.. perhaps 'believer' is suitable

what the believers believe is that the BBC's and other news outlets reporting on building seven plopping into its basement before it did was just a coincidence! It's no different than the Isreali agents having their camera's set up to "document" the first plane hitting the tower.

serendipitous perhaps you nay say, but obviously nothing to worry about. And anyone who does is a crazy and likely dangerous whacko!

really, there's so many obvious, prima facia evidence that this whole thing was set up by men like Dov Zakheim and so many others that deliberating with these believers is pointless- unless to show them how blatantly asinine their defense of the official story actually is. So I'd just leave it at the advance reporting of the collapse of building seven, and say that there is unequivocally no way in this world or the next that those news sites made that call by accident that turned out to be a coincidence. To believe such a thing is to suspend all rational thought and logic and disregard video evidence of the glaringly obvious.

These believers are necessarily either monumentally stupid or calculatingly dishonest, and if the later, apologists for the worst betrayal I can think of in human history, since it has been Americans like the ones who were slaughtered on those planes and in those towers who have supported Israel with untold sacrifices of blood and treasure, only to have that gift returned by such an act of treachery and betrayal as to numb the very soul.

I'm sorry. I have to sigh and consider the weight of all of this from time to time. It is quite a burden to come to realize the things people do to each other and why. It taxes me. Perhaps it is better off sticking one's head in the sand..

Would you please give a link to the video taken by the Israeli high-fivers which shows that they recorded the first plane hitting the tower? As the timing is indeed of great importance so is your evidence of the timing.

As to the alleged BBC anticipation of the collapse of WTC7 surely the most unlikely thing in any scenario would be that the BBC should be given advance notice by plotters who weren’t such raving nutters as to be unable to find their way even to this Comment column. Compared with that an error arising from someone being heard in the the ear piece of a stressed reporter “hang in there: you can add WTC7 coming down too before anyone else breaks it” or any one of a dozen variations is just an everyday kind of error in the experience of journalists and TV producers as I can say from proximity to the most telling experience.

Would you please give a link to the video taken by the Israeli high-fivers which shows that they recorded the first plane hitting the tower? As the timing is indeed of great importance so is your evidence of the timing.

Are you implicitly calling into question the veracity of the testimony of the eyewitness at the scene?

Here's how ABC news reported the story:

Maria, who asked us not to use her last name, had a view of the World Trade Center from her New Jersey apartment building. She remembers a neighbor calling her shortly after the first plane hit the towers.

She grabbed her binoculars and watched the destruction unfolding in lower Manhattan. But as she watched the disaster, something else caught her eye.

Maria says she saw three young men kneeling on the roof of a white van in the parking lot of her apartment building. "They seemed to be taking a movie," Maria said.

The men were taking video or photos of themselves with the World Trade Center burning in the background, she said. What struck Maria were the expressions on the men's faces. "They were like happy, you know … They didn't look shocked to me. I thought it was very strange," she said.

She found the behavior so suspicious that she wrote down the license plate number of the van and called the police. Before long, the FBI was also on the scene, and a statewide bulletin was issued on the van.

Would you please give a link to the video taken by the Israeli high-fivers which shows that they recorded the first plane hitting the tower

wouldn't that be nice wizard, if they'd provide a link to that?

or all the videos at the Pentagon of the plane or whatever it was that hit. Where are those videos?

where is the data from the Flight Data Recorders? There were eight of them and they're all designed to easily survive those crashes and more. Why are we not permitted to listen to the cockpit recordings?

And for that matter, where is the ruins and criminal and engineering evidence from the towers so that engineers can figure out what when wrong? Why was it all shipped to China to be melted down before a proper investigation could be conducted?

doesn't that strike you as odd wizard?

but wait, we have been made privy to the conversation of the "let's roll" hero on that day!

it's Mark Bingham, and he called his mom,

"Hi mom, it's Mark Bingham", just in case she didn't know which Mark it was ..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffCaH5L5l40

we already know they had their cameras set up to "document the event", and were seen taking selfies with the smoking holocaust from the attack in the background. Where are those pictures wizard? Wouldn't it be something to see their smiling, gloating mugs with the carnage in the background?

Indeed I wondered why he made the distinction given that Israeli supporting money is obviously, like other lobby groups' money on more mundane matters, very important to individual Congressmen and even Senators. But I suppose he might say that the White House and State Department, who are the principal makeers of policy, are not bought (and Cheney and Rumsfeld didn't need to be).

But I suppose he might say that the White House and State Department… are not bought

Here’s a couple of exchanges I had with Sam Shama:

geokat62: Further to my previous comment, as was made abundantly clear during Ron Paul’s 2012 presidential campaign, there is little chance the gatekeepers would permit a strong candidate to become either party’s presidential candidate, let alone POTUS.

SS: … knowing fully well that all it takes is one determined POTUS to say NO firmly. I really wish that would happen.

geokat62: As long as presidential election campaigns cost over $1B and the Lobby underwrites the bulk of those costs, there is little chance a POTUS will just say NO, firmly or otherwise.

Surprised someone with a +7σ IQ wouldn’t know this, Sam. You wouldn’t be trying to play us dumb goy for fools, again, would you? It’s probably something that is difficult for you to resist… but really, you need to try harder.

Would you please give a link to the video taken by the Israeli high-fivers which shows that they recorded the first plane hitting the tower? As the timing is indeed of great importance so is your evidence of the timing.

As to the alleged BBC anticipation of the collapse of WTC7 surely the most unlikely thing in any scenario would be that the BBC should be given advance notice by plotters who weren't such raving nutters as to be unable to find their way even to this Comment column. Compared with that an error arising from someone being heard in the the ear piece of a stressed reporter "hang in there: you can add WTC7 coming down too before anyone else breaks it" or any one of a dozen variations is just an everyday kind of error in the experience of journalists and TV producers as I can say from proximity to the most telling experience.

Would you please give a link to the video taken by the Israeli high-fivers which shows that they recorded the first plane hitting the tower? As the timing is indeed of great importance so is your evidence of the timing.

Are you implicitly calling into question the veracity of the testimony of the eyewitness at the scene?

Here’s how ABC news reported the story:

Maria, who asked us not to use her last name, had a view of the World Trade Center from her New Jersey apartment building. She remembers a neighbor calling her shortly after the first plane hit the towers.

She grabbed her binoculars and watched the destruction unfolding in lower Manhattan. But as she watched the disaster, something else caught her eye.

Maria says she saw three young men kneeling on the roof of a white van in the parking lot of her apartment building. “They seemed to be taking a movie,” Maria said.

The men were taking video or photos of themselves with the World Trade Center burning in the background, she said. What struck Maria were the expressions on the men’s faces. “They were like happy, you know … They didn’t look shocked to me. I thought it was very strange,” she said.

She found the behavior so suspicious that she wrote down the license plate number of the van and called the police. Before long, the FBI was also on the scene, and a statewide bulletin was issued on the van.

No, are you serious? Even if I had had that "testimony" in mind why would I interpret it as saying anything about the timing of the high-fivers' filming? But thank you for drawing my attention to evidence that what she saw is irrelevant to the critical timing question. Her neighbour sees the smoke from the crash, or conceivably the actual crash, perhaps fetches a pair of binoculars and watches for say half a minute then considers who to enjoy it with. Let's say "Maria" is her first choice so two minutes after first seeing something remarkable she rings Maria and after another minute Maria has found her binoculars and gone to the window. Thirty seconds later she has noticed the high-fivers and begun to wonder what to do about it. Sorry, no evidence there at all that the camera had been set up to film the first crash. Indeed there is just as much reason to speculate that they had been sent out to create some video footage which would be used in an ad or doco and that they had by chance scored a bonus element that they immediately recognised could make their video clip worth a small fortune: hence the celebration.

Dr. Niels Harrit is a retired associate professor of chemistry at the University of Copenhagen and one among an international team of scientists who published a paper in The Open Chemical Physics Journal on the discovery of nano-thermite in the dust from the World Trade Center collapses on 9/11.

The truth regarding 9/11 has no doubt been stated, but most people, including me, wouldn't be able to identify it as such even if we heard it (and many of us may not have).

The matter will never be settled, any more than the explosion of the Hindenburg (in 1937) or a thousand other such (incendiary, most of them) matters ever will be.

Every explanation, including the correct one, is a conspiracy theory. Most truths, most errors, and most lies always are. You have a wide choice of what to believe, if you dare, or manage to, believe anything truly explanatory.

The US government’s official explanation of 9/11 is, by far, the most ridiculous conspiracy theory of them all. With the possible exception of the “nuclear bomb” trolls and the “hologram” trolls. However, these two groups are obviously working as hasbara trolls and being paid by Israel to clutter up the comment section of serious 9/11 Truth web sites with bizarre comments for the purpose of encouraging casual readers to dismiss all doubters of the government’s version as tin-hat dig-bats.

So the official report states that the building collapsed due to "column failure "?

Does it say why the column or columns failed....or just that (it)they did ?

I have never read much on building number 7...so I don't know.

The NASA’s explanation of why Building 7 collapsed is that a single massive steel column (column 7 I believe) failed due to being heated by common office fires fueled by office furniture that would have consisted of desks, filing cabinets, carpet, note-pads, pens and pencils, telephones, and perhaps cubicle partitions made of metal frames covered with a thin, sound-absorbing material. A theory that is so ridiculous until it’s beyond laughable.

perhaps 18 years ago I watched a one hour documentary on, I believe, the science channel.

The documentary was on the art of building demolitions and it took the viewer on a journey through the various stages of preparation in the collapse of a large rectangular building in a downtown area.
What always stood out in my mind, was the high level of expertise needed to insure the building collapsed on its own footprint. the importance of getting the"explosive" sequencing just right to guarantee the building did not "tip" to the right or left damaging any of the neighboring buildings.
After weeks of careful preparation, I recall the anticipation of the chief engineer on the day of the demolition .... his worry that even though they did everything right, checked and rechecked the sequencing...there was still a chance the building might "tip" and damage a neighboring one.

the demolition went off and was a success.The building collapsed completely within its own footprint..after which the entire demolition crew , including the chief engineer cheered in celebration.

I was really impressed with the science of it....and how difficult it was to insure the building collapsed in , and down ,on itself.

This was a large rectangular building, but it was not very tall...maybe twenty five stories or so.

Given the fact that world trade centers were among the tallest buildings in the world,and given all I had learned from that program, it seems an uncanny miracle of nature that even" one "would collapse completely within its own footprint..and not" tip.".....a true miracle....

The fact that" both" did....is either proof of "divine providence"-the hand of god guiding them both perfectly straight down....or the hand of something else.

It would be very interesting to hear that chief engineer ( given all the preparations he had made to insure the outcome on the building in the program), to discuss the probability of such an outcome occurring naturally on two of the tallest buildings in the world.

If the collapse of the world trade centers were indeed demolitions, and building number seven's structural column would indeed "never" melt from the heat of an internal office fire...what sort of sequencing might explain the collapse of all three buildings ?

One answer might be this...., If, in the planning of the collapse of the towers....there was a pre- awareness of the high probability, even in the best of executions, that one tower would tip.....and tip "onto" building number 7.....then having "number 7" rigged to collapse too , shortly thereafter, makes all the sense in the world.

The fact that twin tower number one (?) did "not" tip into building number seven, must have left "them" all scratching their heads as to..."what to do now".....hence the decision to" just pull it", anyway....later that afternoon....

That would explain both number 7's collapse" and" the BBC newscasters, accidental pre-announcement of it , while it was still standing.

The irony that even the " anticipatory tip" of tower number one... into building number 7, "not" occurring as planned , seems apropos of mans capacity to" flub" and perhaps too.....'Providence's"hand in exposing it .

A few weeks ago, I posted a message on another unz.com thread in which I expressed some skepticism about the collapse of World Trade Center Building 7, which collapsed like the Twin Towers even though it had not been struck by any plane. A number of posters chided me for my conspiratorial ways (even though I advanced no conspiratorial theory, merely expressed skepticism), and one poster cited a link to a Popular Mechanics site which reprinted the results of a study by the National Institute of Standards and Technology issued in August 2008. I read the PM piece and found that the NIAT study advanced a third explanation which debunked the prior two explanations given for WTC No. 7's collapse. Here are some excerpts from the PM article:

"GAITHERSBURG, Maryland -- The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) has released its long-awaited report on the collapse of World Trade 7 following the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. "Our take-home message today is that the reason for the collapse of World Trade Center 7 is no longer a mystery," NIST lead investigator Shyam Sunder told journalists at this morning's press conference in Gaithersburg, Md. "WTC 7 collapsed because of fires fueled by office furnishings. It did not collapse from explosives or from diesel fuel fires." "

"The report clarifies a number of widely debated issues concerning the collapse, particularly the role of the building's many diesel fuel tanks and the importance of structural damage from falling WTC 1 debris. Both of those factors have been cited by investigators as possibly contributing to the collapse; the 2006 Popular Mechanics book Debunking 9/11 Myths: Why Conspiracy Theories Can't Stand Up to the Facts mentions both hypotheses. However, the final NIST report downplays both scenarios, concluding that the diesel fuel stored in tanks (and intended to power backup generators) did not burn long enough or hot enough to account for structural failures. And, while debris damage to WTC 7's southern exterior was considerable (and initiated the destructive fires), the collapse originated in the northeast portion of the building. In fact, the report concludes: "Even without the structural damage, WTC 7 would have collapsed from fires." " http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/design/a3524/4278874/

I don't profess to have any engineering background or knowledge, so I have no expert knowledge to bring to the table. All I have is a natural sense of skepticism, which has not been satisfied by reading the PM account of the NIST report. After all, to paraphrase a wonderful TV show called "Maverick" back in the late 50's when I was a teenager, "if you can't trust your federal government, who can you trust?"

If he had the ability to pull off some thing like 9/11 Bin Laden would have been ruling the world.Only the Israelis/Jews have the intellectual and other resources and the motivation to carry this operation.that is the empirical rality

You have several facts wrong. I have to go to sleep so I am not going to type up what all the incorrect facts are, but here is one: You said that they were held in the Bergen County Jail? They actually were split into two groups, one group held in Passaic County Jail and another group in, I believe, Hudson County Correctional Facility. Then they were all transfered to the Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn, NY.

Hollow aluminum tubes (commercial airliners), jet fuel induced hydrocarbon based office fires, thermate or thermite – even military grade – do not possess the kinetic energy to disintegrate most of the concrete and steel components of the Twin Towers and turn them into fine powder. And no, conventional explosives do not have the power to generate underground fires which burn for months and heat orders of magnitude greater than the surface of the sun, or fires which burned for months after the Twin Towers “collapsed”. Simply put, the Towers were in all likelihood destroyed by small nuclear weapons detonated at the basement and sub basement levels.

The “Dancing Israelis” were most likely low level Israeli assets whose task was to plant evidence implicating the “Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine” or a similar scapegoat organization, i.e., plant phony passports, box cutters, etc.

The official tale of the commercial airliners taking down the Twin Towers is a ludicrous fantasy crafted for very low information infotainment consumers.

PG, true to form, Bill O'Reilly had a segment on last night dealing with Trump's assertion that there were thousands of Muslims in NJ celebrating the fall of the Twin Towers on 9/11, and guess what? No mention at all about the "dancing Israelis." BTW O'Reilly's guest tonight will be Donald Trump himself.

Originally, Donald Trump was scheduled to appear on the O’Reilly Factor last night, but he got usurped by the breaking story of the mass shootings in San Bernadino. There was no word about a rescheduling of Trump’s appearance, or, if there was, I missed it.

Well, Trump’s version of what happened on 9/11 appears to have been confirmed by Bernie Kerik, the NYC police commissioner on 9/11, and former NYC mayor Giuliani. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/12/02/kerik_trump_correct_new_york_area_muslims_were_celebrating_after_911.html

Ironically, Chris Christie, who has been challenging Trump’s version, appears to have stepped into a little pile himself. He has clearly claimed (I saw him do so at one of the debates) that he was appointed U.S. Attorney by President GWB on September 10, 2001, a day before 9/11 (“which changed everything”). Now it appears that he wasn’t appointed until three months later, in December 2001. Oh, my! I’m shocked to discover a politician who lies.

In 2004 the five men sued the United States government for damages, alleging “that their detention was illegal and that their civil rights were violated, suffering racial slurs, physical violence, religious discrimination, rough interrogations, deprivation of sleep, and many other offenses.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chutzpah.

Phil is not delivering any new information (that Raimondo of Antiwar.com has not summarized long ago). Therefore, there is no scoop here on Dancing Shlomos. But it is important to set the record straight who was dancing in New York.

Also, this article with initiate now for the millionth time all the evidence and "evidence" about 911.

Let me kick it off with a statement that the planes could not have brought down even the twin towers let alone WTC building 7. That was termite, military grade.

Wow, I knew termites were bad, but, wow! The military genetic engineers deserves cudos for developing metal munching termites! Those guys can do anything, not just anthrax.

The NASA's explanation of why Building 7 collapsed is that a single massive steel column (column 7 I believe) failed due to being heated by common office fires fueled by office furniture that would have consisted of desks, filing cabinets, carpet, note-pads, pens and pencils, telephones, and perhaps cubicle partitions made of metal frames covered with a thin, sound-absorbing material. A theory that is so ridiculous until it's beyond laughable.

Thanks Carroll,

Something I recall might be of interest to you.

perhaps 18 years ago I watched a one hour documentary on, I believe, the science channel.

The documentary was on the art of building demolitions and it took the viewer on a journey through the various stages of preparation in the collapse of a large rectangular building in a downtown area.
What always stood out in my mind, was the high level of expertise needed to insure the building collapsed on its own footprint. the importance of getting the”explosive” sequencing just right to guarantee the building did not “tip” to the right or left damaging any of the neighboring buildings.
After weeks of careful preparation, I recall the anticipation of the chief engineer on the day of the demolition …. his worry that even though they did everything right, checked and rechecked the sequencing…there was still a chance the building might “tip” and damage a neighboring one.

the demolition went off and was a success.The building collapsed completely within its own footprint..after which the entire demolition crew , including the chief engineer cheered in celebration.

I was really impressed with the science of it….and how difficult it was to insure the building collapsed in , and down ,on itself.

This was a large rectangular building, but it was not very tall…maybe twenty five stories or so.

Given the fact that world trade centers were among the tallest buildings in the world,and given all I had learned from that program, it seems an uncanny miracle of nature that even” one “would collapse completely within its own footprint..and not” tip.”…..a true miracle….

The fact that” both” did….is either proof of “divine providence”-the hand of god guiding them both perfectly straight down….or the hand of something else.

It would be very interesting to hear that chief engineer ( given all the preparations he had made to insure the outcome on the building in the program), to discuss the probability of such an outcome occurring naturally on two of the tallest buildings in the world.

If the collapse of the world trade centers were indeed demolitions, and building number seven’s structural column would indeed “never” melt from the heat of an internal office fire…what sort of sequencing might explain the collapse of all three buildings ?

One answer might be this…., If, in the planning of the collapse of the towers….there was a pre- awareness of the high probability, even in the best of executions, that one tower would tip…..and tip “onto” building number 7…..then having “number 7″ rigged to collapse too , shortly thereafter, makes all the sense in the world.

The fact that twin tower number one (?) did “not” tip into building number seven, must have left “them” all scratching their heads as to…”what to do now”…..hence the decision to” just pull it”, anyway….later that afternoon….

That would explain both number 7′s collapse” and” the BBC newscasters, accidental pre-announcement of it , while it was still standing.

The irony that even the ” anticipatory tip” of tower number one… into building number 7, “not” occurring as planned , seems apropos of mans capacity to” flub” and perhaps too…..’Providence’s”hand in exposing it .

I have seen an account which seemed plausible. It was all about the critical temperature being reached in the steel frame and that took most of the day in the absence of great quantities of aviation fuel carried into the heart of the building.

I have a machine in my basement that is specifically designed to burn jet fuel to produce the maximum possible heat.
I have owned it for 18 years. It has yet to melt.

You obviously blinked, and continue to do so, when the fireballs of exploding jet fuel occurred when the planes hit the buildings.

I am not sure what or whose point you are adressing or what your point is.

However let me note that aircraft engines are designed to burn aviation fuel at high temporatures without being destroyed. But that doesn't tell me what the burning of that fuel and other material inside the outer skin of a WTC tower might do to steel girders that had been exposed. Me

As to the WTC7 building that I was principally cincerned with, the point of the report and illustrative video that I found and referred to was that it took a fire started in the morning around 9 am over 8 hours to heat up and weaken the steel frame to the point where it collapsed.

Your reference to your machine not melting is as irrelevant as the less than fascinating information that you have owned it for 18 years. Who has suggested that any of the steel framework in any building melted?

Likewise your suggestion, as I understand it, that the explosion od jet fuel precluded its being the source of the heat which weakened the steel framework of WTC1 amd WTC2 is flawed as a moment's thought would have told you. Yhe fact that some of the fuel has gone up in a single flash doesn't mean more than precisely that, viz. that some of the fuel was no longer available to burn explosively or otherwise in the remains of the aircraft.

Originally, Donald Trump was scheduled to appear on the O'Reilly Factor last night, but he got usurped by the breaking story of the mass shootings in San Bernadino. There was no word about a rescheduling of Trump's appearance, or, if there was, I missed it.

Ironically, Chris Christie, who has been challenging Trump’s version, appears to have stepped into a little pile himself. He has clearly claimed (I saw him do so at one of the debates) that he was appointed U.S. Attorney by President GWB on September 10, 2001, a day before 9/11 (“which changed everything”). Now it appears that he wasn’t appointed until three months later, in December 2001. Oh, my! I’m shocked to discover a politician who lies.

The NASA's explanation of why Building 7 collapsed is that a single massive steel column (column 7 I believe) failed due to being heated by common office fires fueled by office furniture that would have consisted of desks, filing cabinets, carpet, note-pads, pens and pencils, telephones, and perhaps cubicle partitions made of metal frames covered with a thin, sound-absorbing material. A theory that is so ridiculous until it's beyond laughable.

A few weeks ago, I posted a message on another unz.com thread in which I expressed some skepticism about the collapse of World Trade Center Building 7, which collapsed like the Twin Towers even though it had not been struck by any plane. A number of posters chided me for my conspiratorial ways (even though I advanced no conspiratorial theory, merely expressed skepticism), and one poster cited a link to a Popular Mechanics site which reprinted the results of a study by the National Institute of Standards and Technology issued in August 2008. I read the PM piece and found that the NIAT study advanced a third explanation which debunked the prior two explanations given for WTC No. 7′s collapse. Here are some excerpts from the PM article:

“GAITHERSBURG, Maryland — The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) has released its long-awaited report on the collapse of World Trade 7 following the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. “Our take-home message today is that the reason for the collapse of World Trade Center 7 is no longer a mystery,” NIST lead investigator Shyam Sunder told journalists at this morning’s press conference in Gaithersburg, Md. “WTC 7 collapsed because of fires fueled by office furnishings. It did not collapse from explosives or from diesel fuel fires.” ”

“The report clarifies a number of widely debated issues concerning the collapse, particularly the role of the building’s many diesel fuel tanks and the importance of structural damage from falling WTC 1 debris. Both of those factors have been cited by investigators as possibly contributing to the collapse; the 2006 Popular Mechanics book Debunking 9/11 Myths: Why Conspiracy Theories Can’t Stand Up to the Facts mentions both hypotheses. However, the final NIST report downplays both scenarios, concluding that the diesel fuel stored in tanks (and intended to power backup generators) did not burn long enough or hot enough to account for structural failures. And, while debris damage to WTC 7′s southern exterior was considerable (and initiated the destructive fires), the collapse originated in the northeast portion of the building. In fact, the report concludes: “Even without the structural damage, WTC 7 would have collapsed from fires.” ” http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/design/a3524/4278874/

I don’t profess to have any engineering background or knowledge, so I have no expert knowledge to bring to the table. All I have is a natural sense of skepticism, which has not been satisfied by reading the PM account of the NIST report. After all, to paraphrase a wonderful TV show called “Maverick” back in the late 50′s when I was a teenager, “if you can’t trust your federal government, who can you trust?”

I have a machine in my basement that is specifically designed to burn jet fuel to produce the maximum possible heat.
I have owned it for 18 years. It has yet to melt.

You obviously blinked, and continue to do so, when the fireballs of exploding jet fuel occurred when the planes hit the buildings.

I am not sure what or whose point you are adressing or what your point is.

However let me note that aircraft engines are designed to burn aviation fuel at high temporatures without being destroyed. But that doesn’t tell me what the burning of that fuel and other material inside the outer skin of a WTC tower might do to steel girders that had been exposed. Me

As to the WTC7 building that I was principally cincerned with, the point of the report and illustrative video that I found and referred to was that it took a fire started in the morning around 9 am over 8 hours to heat up and weaken the steel frame to the point where it collapsed.

Your reference to your machine not melting is as irrelevant as the less than fascinating information that you have owned it for 18 years. Who has suggested that any of the steel framework in any building melted?

Likewise your suggestion, as I understand it, that the explosion od jet fuel precluded its being the source of the heat which weakened the steel framework of WTC1 amd WTC2 is flawed as a moment’s thought would have told you. Yhe fact that some of the fuel has gone up in a single flash doesn’t mean more than precisely that, viz. that some of the fuel was no longer available to burn explosively or otherwise in the remains of the aircraft.

“After all, to paraphrase a wonderful TV show called “Maverick” back in the late 50′s when I was a teenager, “if you can’t trust your federal government, who can you trust?” ”

I realized after I posted that line that many would not understand my allusion to a TV program more than 50 years old. “Maverick” was a short-lived TV series that began in 1957 on a then-struggling ABC which spoofed the traditional western and which introduced the fine actor James Garner (29 in 1957) to the American public. I was a teenager at the time, and I fell in love with the program from the start. One of the more famous episodes was in the second season (1958) entitled “Shady Deal at Sunny Acres.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shady_Deal_at_Sunny_Acres

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To quote from Wikipedia, “this 1958 second season episode depicts gambler Bret Maverick (James Garner) being swindled by a crooked banker (John Dehner) after depositing the proceeds from a late-night poker game. He then surreptitiously recruits his brother Bart Maverick (Jack Kelly) and a host of other acquaintances to mount an elaborate sting operation to recover the money.” The episode is hilarious and features two recurring lines: one by the sleazy banker who conned Maverick who said repeatedly to Maverick “if you can’t trust your banker, who can you trust?” and the second by Bret Maverick who sits on a rocking chair outside the hotel where he is staying, whittling wood and telling passersby who ask how his plan to recover his stolen money from the crooked banker is going, “I’m working on it,” to the amusement and scorn of all. Eventually, by the end of the show, Maverick has succeeded in getting his money back from the crooked banker without apparently lifting a finger and by pulling a successful con on the banker, leaving everybody not aware of the con mystified.

Two points about that famous episode. As Wikipedia notes, the plot for “Shady Deal at Sunny Acres” appears to form the basis for the first half of the later, very popular movie “The Sting,” starring Paul Newman and Robert Redford and the great Robert Shaw: “As Huggins [the creator of Maverick] noted during a lengthy discussion of the episode in his Archive of American Television interview, the first half of the 1973 movie The Sting seems based on Huggins’ script. While Bart and all of the series’ recurring characters join forces to energetically flim-flam the banker (“….if you can’t trust your banker, who can you trust?”), Bret sits whittling in a rocking chair across the street from the bank every day, responding to the amused and patronizing queries of the local townspeople curious about how he plans to recover his money, “I’m working on it.” ”

Secondly, the line “if you can’t trust your banker. . .” predated by many years the savings and loan scandals of the late 80′s and the financial scandals of the 00′s and taps into the long tradition in America of distrust (with good reason) of financial institutions. The line resonated instantly with me as back in 1958 because I was a cynical teenager. But what a prophetic line (unfortunately most Americans do not think as skeptically or cynically today as they did when I was growing up).

I recalled the episode fondly for many years, and I finally rented a DVD from Netflix about 5 years ago which contained “Shady Deal” and a few other Maverick episodes. Still a hoot after 50 years.

When I was a grade schooler in the 1960s, I loved the television cartoons "Dudley Do-Right of the Mounties" and "The World of Commander McBragg." (The latter featured an aristocratic Englishman who was--well, a world-class bullshit artist. The Commander would regale his hapless listeners with outlandish stories of past exploits.) I liked "McHale's Navy" and "12 O'Clock High."

Would you please give a link to the video taken by the Israeli high-fivers which shows that they recorded the first plane hitting the tower? As the timing is indeed of great importance so is your evidence of the timing.

As to the alleged BBC anticipation of the collapse of WTC7 surely the most unlikely thing in any scenario would be that the BBC should be given advance notice by plotters who weren't such raving nutters as to be unable to find their way even to this Comment column. Compared with that an error arising from someone being heard in the the ear piece of a stressed reporter "hang in there: you can add WTC7 coming down too before anyone else breaks it" or any one of a dozen variations is just an everyday kind of error in the experience of journalists and TV producers as I can say from proximity to the most telling experience.

Would you please give a link to the video taken by the Israeli high-fivers which shows that they recorded the first plane hitting the tower

wouldn’t that be nice wizard, if they’d provide a link to that?

or all the videos at the Pentagon of the plane or whatever it was that hit. Where are those videos?

where is the data from the Flight Data Recorders? There were eight of them and they’re all designed to easily survive those crashes and more. Why are we not permitted to listen to the cockpit recordings?

And for that matter, where is the ruins and criminal and engineering evidence from the towers so that engineers can figure out what when wrong? Why was it all shipped to China to be melted down before a proper investigation could be conducted?

doesn’t that strike you as odd wizard?

but wait, we have been made privy to the conversation of the “let’s roll” hero on that day!

it’s Mark Bingham, and he called his mom,

“Hi mom, it’s Mark Bingham”, just in case she didn’t know which Mark it was ..

we already know they had their cameras set up to “document the event”, and were seen taking selfies with the smoking holocaust from the attack in the background. Where are those pictures wizard? Wouldn’t it be something to see their smiling, gloating mugs with the carnage in the background?

Another Federal agency had positive proof of Mossad links to various groups of Israeli´s operating in the U.S. who were obviously involved in surveilling the 9/11 terrorists. The Israelis DID have advance knowledge of the plot and chose not to inform us; they may well have had controlled agents inside of the terrorist group guiding it. The FBI was presented with this indisputable intelligence on Israeli involvement and declined to investigate further, plainly stating that this was for domestic political reasons. There was an acrimonious exchange over the issue but in the end nothing happened. treason reached very high into the Bush Administration, and Wolfowitz, Perle, Feither and others of that ilk were the ringmasters.

Southern,
Are you unaware that Mossad operatives routinely dress and pose as Muslim terrorist? With one of their important functions being to produce staged videos and interviews during which they threaten death and destruction to the infidels in the West etc. etc. They do it all the time. Remember the fake Bin Laden tapes and interviews released just prior to Bush The Lessor’s election to his 2nd term in office, even though his 1st 4 years had been an embarrassing failure. With these particular fake recording being produced and released just in time (about weeks prior to the election) to fool gullible American voters into boosting Bush’s popularity just enough t get him elected to a 2nd term, which of course turned out to be more disastrous than his 1st term. With both of his terms serving as a god-send to Saturday Night Live and other such satirist and stand-up comedians whom he provided free of charge with laugh-lines that were far superior to any the most skillful writers of political satire could ever hope to produce. In fact, there is little doubt that Bush put practically all mediocre writers out of work, along with a majority of the best. With Sarah Palin completing the job 4 years later. So, the long and short of all this is that you can dismiss the “Muslim Terrorist” thing for the Mossad.CIA produced propaganda it is. In short, prior to 9/11, (and probably ever since) there were no Muslim terrorist being “tracked” by Mossad agents. Who, if anything would have been merely following them around to serve as guides and coaches on how to be effective fake terrorist. In summing up, allow yourself to absorb the reality that THERE WERE NO MUSLIM TERRORIST ON ANY OF THE FOUR AIRLINERS ON THE MORNING OF 9/11. That means none, zero, zilch.

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The “hi-jacked” airliners were all ELECTRONALLY HI-JACKED by their on-board flight controllers having been re-programmed (probably by Mossad agents at airports where Israeli companies were in charge of security which included all four of the airports from which hi-jacked planes departed on 9/11) with programs consisting of digital commands that took control of the planes from the pilots and flew them precisely to exact GPS co-ordinates that would have included the Twin Towers. With a 3rd plane into the Pentagon. (All on-board flight controllers are nothing more than digital computers pre-programmed by flight engineers to fly, airliners with great accuracy (using GPS co-ordinances) to pin-point GPS location within the plane’s flight range, determined primarily by how much fuel is on board the plane.) The 4th plane (flight 93) was supposed to have made a U-turn (as did the plane which hit the Pentagon) and return to strike Building #7 (which like the Twin Towers had been equipped long before 9/11 with proper demolition charges (along with a homing beacon that produce a radar beam called glide path radar that, with great precision controls airliners making final approaches airport run-ways with the pilot (except under emergency conditions) never touching the planes controls during approach. But during the event of 9/11 he planes simply the buildings just as they do when approaching run-ways. But in the case of Flight #93, things apparently did not work out as planned. With perhaps the pilots or flight engineer on the flight figuring-out a way to re-gain control of their plane. After which they would have landed at the nearest available airport as all pilots are instructed to do following emergencies on board. But of course that was not going to happen. Thus Dick Cheney, who had been left in charge at the White on 9/11 (while the bumbling idiot Bush was dispatched for obvious reasons to Florida to read goat stories to the captive school kids) issued or had issued an order for Flight #93 to be shot-down by a fighter planes that known to be in the immediate area and which was seen by civilians and at the time. With the shoot-down being made evident by the fact that luggage and various items of debris, as well as parts of the airliner itself were found by civilians (but quickly hushed-up by the controlled news media) up to 8 miles from the crash sight (in the approaching direction) . Serving as clear evidence that the airliner was struck by an air to air missile prior to it (or what was left of it) crashing vertically into the ground near Summerset, PA. Dick Cheney (probably inadvertently) once actually admitted to the airliner being shot-down. Doing so during a hurried interview for which he was apparently unprepared. Which if not been permanently removed, can be viewed via U-tube. You see, these sick phychos make serious blunders and mistakes on a routine basis, yet most Americans, due to their general lack of knowledge (particularly relating to technical and scientific subjects) do not recognize them the blunders for the confessions they actually are. Excuse the rambling but this is a lot to cram into one paragraph.

So to recap: Trump stood in front of an audience of Jews and told them that they were all about money and making deals. He stood in front of a pro-Israel crowd and told them Israel was (at least partially) to blame for the failure to come to terms with the Palestinians.

Despite the applause, it's hard to characterize that as anything but a disaster.

The Donald is solid on the Palestinian issue too. Principled and courageous.

http://www.vox.com/2015/12/3/9843670/donald-trump-anti-semitic

thx LondonBob

So to recap: Trump stood in front of an audience of Jews and told them that they were all about money and making deals. He stood in front of a pro-Israel crowd and told them Israel was (at least partially) to blame for the failure to come to terms with the Palestinians.

Despite the applause, it’s hard to characterize that as anything but a disaster.

"So, what do you think will happen now?" The question was posed by the taller of two young Israelis, my sole companions in this section of Liberty State Park on the Jersey City side of the Hudson River, the morning of September 11, 2001.

"Everything has changed," I replied, unaware that the same phrase was simultaneously forming on the lips of millions around the globe.

"Yes, everything has changed," said the Israeli, looking not at all displeased. He turned to resume taking photos of the greatsmoking space that had been the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center, and of the huge, low cloud that drifted across New York Bay to Brooklyn.

My fellow witnesses to the collapse of the second tower were already positioned at the riverbank when I arrived at the scene on foot after having rushed past police who blocked all vehicular entrance to the park. The athletic, military age duo were clicking away with two very expensive-looking cameras. They spoke excitedly to each other in Hebrew - a language I instantly recognized from my two decades as a Manhattanite - but clumsily claimed to be
"Polish" when I asked where they were from. I pretended to believe they were visitors from Poland.

Would you please give a link to the video taken by the Israeli high-fivers which shows that they recorded the first plane hitting the tower? As the timing is indeed of great importance so is your evidence of the timing.

Are you implicitly calling into question the veracity of the testimony of the eyewitness at the scene?

Here's how ABC news reported the story:

Maria, who asked us not to use her last name, had a view of the World Trade Center from her New Jersey apartment building. She remembers a neighbor calling her shortly after the first plane hit the towers.

She grabbed her binoculars and watched the destruction unfolding in lower Manhattan. But as she watched the disaster, something else caught her eye.

Maria says she saw three young men kneeling on the roof of a white van in the parking lot of her apartment building. "They seemed to be taking a movie," Maria said.

The men were taking video or photos of themselves with the World Trade Center burning in the background, she said. What struck Maria were the expressions on the men's faces. "They were like happy, you know … They didn't look shocked to me. I thought it was very strange," she said.

She found the behavior so suspicious that she wrote down the license plate number of the van and called the police. Before long, the FBI was also on the scene, and a statewide bulletin was issued on the van.

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123885

No, are you serious? Even if I had had that “testimony” in mind why would I interpret it as saying anything about the timing of the high-fivers’ filming? But thank you for drawing my attention to evidence that what she saw is irrelevant to the critical timing question. Her neighbour sees the smoke from the crash, or conceivably the actual crash, perhaps fetches a pair of binoculars and watches for say half a minute then considers who to enjoy it with. Let’s say “Maria” is her first choice so two minutes after first seeing something remarkable she rings Maria and after another minute Maria has found her binoculars and gone to the window. Thirty seconds later she has noticed the high-fivers and begun to wonder what to do about it. Sorry, no evidence there at all that the camera had been set up to film the first crash. Indeed there is just as much reason to speculate that they had been sent out to create some video footage which would be used in an ad or doco and that they had by chance scored a bonus element that they immediately recognised could make their video clip worth a small fortune: hence the celebration.

Sorry, no evidence there at all that the camera had been set up to film the first crash.

Oh, really. Let's see if I've got this straight. Didn't the whole world think the first plane had accidentally slammed into WTC1? Wasn't it until the second plane ploughed into WTC 2 that people realized it was a terrorist act?

But somehow these 5 Israelis were caught celebrating by an eye witness who saw them taking video or photos of themselves with WTC 1 in the background after the first plane had slammed into that tower.

What struck her were the expressions on the men's faces:

"They were like happy, you know … They didn't look shocked to me. I thought it was very strange," she said.

But, then again, maybe you're right, maybe "they had been sent out to create some video footage which would be used in an ad." Probably an ad for how to pull the wool over the dumb goys' eyes.

" Indeed there is just as much reason to speculate that they had been sent out to create some video footage which would be used in an ad or doco and that they had by chance scored a bonus element that they immediately recognised could make their video clip worth a small fortune: hence the celebration."

Yes, indeed. Video so valuable that it was "worth a small fortune," which surely explains why we don't see it any more.

"After all, to paraphrase a wonderful TV show called “Maverick” back in the late 50′s when I was a teenager, “if you can’t trust your federal government, who can you trust?” "

I realized after I posted that line that many would not understand my allusion to a TV program more than 50 years old. "Maverick" was a short-lived TV series that began in 1957 on a then-struggling ABC which spoofed the traditional western and which introduced the fine actor James Garner (29 in 1957) to the American public. I was a teenager at the time, and I fell in love with the program from the start. One of the more famous episodes was in the second season (1958) entitled "Shady Deal at Sunny Acres." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shady_Deal_at_Sunny_Acres

To quote from Wikipedia, "this 1958 second season episode depicts gambler Bret Maverick (James Garner) being swindled by a crooked banker (John Dehner) after depositing the proceeds from a late-night poker game. He then surreptitiously recruits his brother Bart Maverick (Jack Kelly) and a host of other acquaintances to mount an elaborate sting operation to recover the money." The episode is hilarious and features two recurring lines: one by the sleazy banker who conned Maverick who said repeatedly to Maverick "if you can't trust your banker, who can you trust?" and the second by Bret Maverick who sits on a rocking chair outside the hotel where he is staying, whittling wood and telling passersby who ask how his plan to recover his stolen money from the crooked banker is going, "I'm working on it," to the amusement and scorn of all. Eventually, by the end of the show, Maverick has succeeded in getting his money back from the crooked banker without apparently lifting a finger and by pulling a successful con on the banker, leaving everybody not aware of the con mystified.

Two points about that famous episode. As Wikipedia notes, the plot for "Shady Deal at Sunny Acres" appears to form the basis for the first half of the later, very popular movie "The Sting," starring Paul Newman and Robert Redford and the great Robert Shaw: "As Huggins [the creator of Maverick] noted during a lengthy discussion of the episode in his Archive of American Television interview, the first half of the 1973 movie The Sting seems based on Huggins' script. While Bart and all of the series' recurring characters join forces to energetically flim-flam the banker ("....if you can't trust your banker, who can you trust?"), Bret sits whittling in a rocking chair across the street from the bank every day, responding to the amused and patronizing queries of the local townspeople curious about how he plans to recover his money, "I'm working on it." "

Secondly, the line "if you can't trust your banker. . ." predated by many years the savings and loan scandals of the late 80's and the financial scandals of the 00's and taps into the long tradition in America of distrust (with good reason) of financial institutions. The line resonated instantly with me as back in 1958 because I was a cynical teenager. But what a prophetic line (unfortunately most Americans do not think as skeptically or cynically today as they did when I was growing up).

I recalled the episode fondly for many years, and I finally rented a DVD from Netflix about 5 years ago which contained "Shady Deal" and a few other Maverick episodes. Still a hoot after 50 years.

Ah, the old TV shows!

When I was a grade schooler in the 1960s, I loved the television cartoons “Dudley Do-Right of the Mounties” and “The World of Commander McBragg.” (The latter featured an aristocratic Englishman who was–well, a world-class bullshit artist. The Commander would regale his hapless listeners with outlandish stories of past exploits.) I liked “McHale’s Navy” and “12 O’Clock High.”

No, are you serious? Even if I had had that "testimony" in mind why would I interpret it as saying anything about the timing of the high-fivers' filming? But thank you for drawing my attention to evidence that what she saw is irrelevant to the critical timing question. Her neighbour sees the smoke from the crash, or conceivably the actual crash, perhaps fetches a pair of binoculars and watches for say half a minute then considers who to enjoy it with. Let's say "Maria" is her first choice so two minutes after first seeing something remarkable she rings Maria and after another minute Maria has found her binoculars and gone to the window. Thirty seconds later she has noticed the high-fivers and begun to wonder what to do about it. Sorry, no evidence there at all that the camera had been set up to film the first crash. Indeed there is just as much reason to speculate that they had been sent out to create some video footage which would be used in an ad or doco and that they had by chance scored a bonus element that they immediately recognised could make their video clip worth a small fortune: hence the celebration.

Sorry, no evidence there at all that the camera had been set up to film the first crash.

Oh, really. Let’s see if I’ve got this straight. Didn’t the whole world think the first plane had accidentally slammed into WTC1? Wasn’t it until the second plane ploughed into WTC 2 that people realized it was a terrorist act?

But somehow these 5 Israelis were caught celebrating by an eye witness who saw them taking video or photos of themselves with WTC 1 in the background after the first plane had slammed into that tower.

What struck her were the expressions on the men’s faces:

“They were like happy, you know … They didn’t look shocked to me. I thought it was very strange,” she said.

But, then again, maybe you’re right, maybe “they had been sent out to create some video footage which would be used in an ad.” Probably an ad for how to pull the wool over the dumb goys’ eyes.

"Didn’t the whole world think the first plane had accidentally slammed into WTC1? Wasn’t it until the second plane ploughed into WTC 2 that people realized it was a terrorist act?"

I was out biking when the first plane hit. When I got home, I didn't have a clue about anything going on. Then I listened to my message machine and heard a message from a friend up north informing me that a plane had hit the WTC Tower and that she was leaving for work. The implication was that an accident had happened. The first thought I had was how anybody could miss seeing such a big building in clear daylight. I turned on the TV to find out what was going on, and they were showing the video of a second plane hitting the other tower. I immediately concluded that it wasn't an accident. Then I heard about the plane crashing into the Pentagon and about a fourth plane still in the air. I thought we were involved in a war. Needless to say, I was stuck to the TV for the next several hours. I witnessed the two Towers crashing to the ground in real time, one after the other. So, you are right. The normal reaction of anyone who heard of the first plane hitting the Tower was that some kind of accident had occurred. Any doubt was only eliminated by the second plane, which occurred about 20 minutes later, as I recall.

Southern,
Are you unaware that Mossad operatives routinely dress and pose as Muslim terrorist? With one of their important functions being to produce staged videos and interviews during which they threaten death and destruction to the infidels in the West etc. etc. They do it all the time. Remember the fake Bin Laden tapes and interviews released just prior to Bush The Lessor's election to his 2nd term in office, even though his 1st 4 years had been an embarrassing failure. With these particular fake recording being produced and released just in time (about weeks prior to the election) to fool gullible American voters into boosting Bush's popularity just enough t get him elected to a 2nd term, which of course turned out to be more disastrous than his 1st term. With both of his terms serving as a god-send to Saturday Night Live and other such satirist and stand-up comedians whom he provided free of charge with laugh-lines that were far superior to any the most skillful writers of political satire could ever hope to produce. In fact, there is little doubt that Bush put practically all mediocre writers out of work, along with a majority of the best. With Sarah Palin completing the job 4 years later. So, the long and short of all this is that you can dismiss the "Muslim Terrorist" thing for the Mossad.CIA produced propaganda it is. In short, prior to 9/11, (and probably ever since) there were no Muslim terrorist being "tracked" by Mossad agents. Who, if anything would have been merely following them around to serve as guides and coaches on how to be effective fake terrorist. In summing up, allow yourself to absorb the reality that THERE WERE NO MUSLIM TERRORIST ON ANY OF THE FOUR AIRLINERS ON THE MORNING OF 9/11. That means none, zero, zilch.

The "hi-jacked" airliners were all ELECTRONALLY HI-JACKED by their on-board flight controllers having been re-programmed (probably by Mossad agents at airports where Israeli companies were in charge of security which included all four of the airports from which hi-jacked planes departed on 9/11) with programs consisting of digital commands that took control of the planes from the pilots and flew them precisely to exact GPS co-ordinates that would have included the Twin Towers. With a 3rd plane into the Pentagon. (All on-board flight controllers are nothing more than digital computers pre-programmed by flight engineers to fly, airliners with great accuracy (using GPS co-ordinances) to pin-point GPS location within the plane's flight range, determined primarily by how much fuel is on board the plane.) The 4th plane (flight 93) was supposed to have made a U-turn (as did the plane which hit the Pentagon) and return to strike Building #7 (which like the Twin Towers had been equipped long before 9/11 with proper demolition charges (along with a homing beacon that produce a radar beam called glide path radar that, with great precision controls airliners making final approaches airport run-ways with the pilot (except under emergency conditions) never touching the planes controls during approach. But during the event of 9/11 he planes simply the buildings just as they do when approaching run-ways. But in the case of Flight #93, things apparently did not work out as planned. With perhaps the pilots or flight engineer on the flight figuring-out a way to re-gain control of their plane. After which they would have landed at the nearest available airport as all pilots are instructed to do following emergencies on board. But of course that was not going to happen. Thus Dick Cheney, who had been left in charge at the White on 9/11 (while the bumbling idiot Bush was dispatched for obvious reasons to Florida to read goat stories to the captive school kids) issued or had issued an order for Flight #93 to be shot-down by a fighter planes that known to be in the immediate area and which was seen by civilians and at the time. With the shoot-down being made evident by the fact that luggage and various items of debris, as well as parts of the airliner itself were found by civilians (but quickly hushed-up by the controlled news media) up to 8 miles from the crash sight (in the approaching direction) . Serving as clear evidence that the airliner was struck by an air to air missile prior to it (or what was left of it) crashing vertically into the ground near Summerset, PA. Dick Cheney (probably inadvertently) once actually admitted to the airliner being shot-down. Doing so during a hurried interview for which he was apparently unprepared. Which if not been permanently removed, can be viewed via U-tube. You see, these sick phychos make serious blunders and mistakes on a routine basis, yet most Americans, due to their general lack of knowledge (particularly relating to technical and scientific subjects) do not recognize them the blunders for the confessions they actually are. Excuse the rambling but this is a lot to cram into one paragraph.

Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld admit Flight 93 was shot down.

George Bush says he saw plane hit 1st trade center 24 hours before clip was released to public.

So to recap: Trump stood in front of an audience of Jews and told them that they were all about money and making deals. He stood in front of a pro-Israel crowd and told them Israel was (at least partially) to blame for the failure to come to terms with the Palestinians.

Despite the applause, it's hard to characterize that as anything but a disaster.

The stack got bigger and more massive with each floor it crashed through. So it blew through the remaining floors faster and faster. The stack would accelerate even if every floor took the same amount of energy to tear loose.

Bullshit. You unknowingly contradict your own pathetic theory while effectively claiming that the laws of physical science relating to the acceleration of falling bodies increasing at a known rate in the absence of resistive forces was not in effect on the morning of 9/11. If the twin towers collapsed in a pancake fashion, why did we not see a large stack of floors consisting of concrete and steel sitting neatly on top of each other like a huge pancake instead of a pile of vertical support columns that had been cut by thermate into shipping length pieces for shipment to China? But take note of the fact there were no concrete floor slabs because they had been atomized by explosive charges that distributed several inches of pulverized concrete dust over most of lower Manhattan Island.

Sorry, no evidence there at all that the camera had been set up to film the first crash.

Oh, really. Let's see if I've got this straight. Didn't the whole world think the first plane had accidentally slammed into WTC1? Wasn't it until the second plane ploughed into WTC 2 that people realized it was a terrorist act?

But somehow these 5 Israelis were caught celebrating by an eye witness who saw them taking video or photos of themselves with WTC 1 in the background after the first plane had slammed into that tower.

What struck her were the expressions on the men's faces:

"They were like happy, you know … They didn't look shocked to me. I thought it was very strange," she said.

But, then again, maybe you're right, maybe "they had been sent out to create some video footage which would be used in an ad." Probably an ad for how to pull the wool over the dumb goys' eyes.

“Didn’t the whole world think the first plane had accidentally slammed into WTC1? Wasn’t it until the second plane ploughed into WTC 2 that people realized it was a terrorist act?”

I was out biking when the first plane hit. When I got home, I didn’t have a clue about anything going on. Then I listened to my message machine and heard a message from a friend up north informing me that a plane had hit the WTC Tower and that she was leaving for work. The implication was that an accident had happened. The first thought I had was how anybody could miss seeing such a big building in clear daylight. I turned on the TV to find out what was going on, and they were showing the video of a second plane hitting the other tower. I immediately concluded that it wasn’t an accident. Then I heard about the plane crashing into the Pentagon and about a fourth plane still in the air. I thought we were involved in a war. Needless to say, I was stuck to the TV for the next several hours. I witnessed the two Towers crashing to the ground in real time, one after the other. So, you are right. The normal reaction of anyone who heard of the first plane hitting the Tower was that some kind of accident had occurred. Any doubt was only eliminated by the second plane, which occurred about 20 minutes later, as I recall.

Israelis are an 'other' with their own rational interests. These do not include flooding our nations with third worlders nor do they include us going to war in Afghanistan. I have no doubt that they try to influence us to support them in their endless struggle with the Palestinians but nor do I blame them.

9/11 neither furthered their interests nor diminished them. I imagine that many Israelis would have been secretly ecstatic if Palestinians had done 9/11 and I imagine that they could have assumed that Palestinians did it because Israelis have Palestinians on the mind.

To be fair to them, that's hardly an inhuman emotion.

Basically we just need to openly recognise where they're coming from and deal with them accordingly. We do not need to construct absurd conspiracy theories nor listen to the billion Muslims desperate to have us believe in them. They also have their own interests and due to their greater proximity with us, in Europe at least, they have more conflicting interests.

These points are not hard to understand. They are just standard realism with a dose of knowledge of humanity.

It makes zero sense for Israelis to blow up the twin towers and then frame an Afghan based movement. Not only because the risks are tremendous and it is utterly immoral and difficult to do but because they did not benefit.

This is my last post on this because I need to stop letting it waste my time but please stop letting this nonsense issue waste yours!

About 80% of the airliner’s fuel was consumed in the huge fire-ball that erupted in the air outside the buildings. The airliners themselves did minimal damage to the Twin Towers, which were built to withstand impacts far exceeding those imposed upon them by relatively light weight airliners constructed primarily of titanium, aluminum and plastic. The airliners crashing into the building was simply a pyro-technique perfected by Hollywood producers, for the purpose of capturing and holding the morbid fascination that large numbers of Americans have for the sight of buildings, planes and cars being consumed by violent explosions that produce huge fire balls accompanied by falling debris. With pyro technique often producing highs that rival or exceed highs resulting from sexual ejaculations. When most Americans think of 9/11 about all they are capable of mentally recalling of the event is seeing in their minds eye are the two large balls of fire exploding outside of the two world trade centers. Which, of course, is exactly what they were designed to accomplish in closing the minds of most Americans to anything else relating to the event itself.

If you're too stupid to figure out what these two videos prove, then explaining it to you will probably be a waste of my time. But I'll give it a shot.
Since Flight 93 was shot down as Dick Cheney unambiguously admits, it proves the official version of what brought Flight 93 down is a total lie fabricated by phychos like Cheney void of any soul or conscious. With a significant portion of that lie being the cock-and-bull, Let's Roll narrative which was obviously produced in a studio containing appropriate sound effects..

As to Bush stating, as he unambiguously did, that he watched the 1st plane fly into the 1st Twin Tower on commercial TV, while waiting inside the entrance lobby of the school in Florida before presenting his Pet Goat reading lesson to the kids inside the school, would have been impossible since that particular video did not surface until the following day and was not shown on commercial TV until the afternoon of the following day. Which proves, beyond doubt that in addition to being a bumbling idiot who himself cannot read a simple sentence, George Bush is either a consummate cold-hearted liar, or he really did watch the 1st plane hit the 1st Tower, doing so on a Secret Service provided closed-circuit TV connection inside a limo or highly secure presidential command post set up there in one of the school's parking lots.
It is a very significant statistic that about 85% of people living in countries other than the US are fully aware that 9/11 was a false-flag attack. No doubt about it. While about 40% of Americans share that same conviction. Which proves two significant thing; What passes in this country for "news" is 99% pure propaganda being produced and broadcast on a 24/7 basis by the Zionist owned news media. With the other significant proof being that America is grossly over-populated with complete idiots like you who do not have the mental capacity to escape a shower of shit, or figure your way out of open paper sack.

Guess what, this story is old news. Everybody has heard about it and it actually got decent airplay on Fox in the immediate aftermath of the attack. American's know and THEY DON'T CARE.

They don't care about some dancing Israeli idiots on 9-11, they don't care that we have expelled hundreds of thousands of Palestinians from the Land of Israel and they don't care about the the Arabs we kill by the thousands whenever war breaks out. It's not they they don't know, they do. They just don't care about the Palestinians, the Syrians, the Iranians or any Muslims for that matter, and nothing you say or do can ever change that.

And even if you somehow got them to care, which you won't, what of it? We'd still have over 80 nuclear warheads with the ability to assemble another 80 tomorrow if we so wanted. We have a larger technological and industrial base than the entire Arab-Islamic world combined. Soon the remnants of the Palestinians will be dead or expelled and then we will begin expanding into the rest of the Lands that were promised to us. And the world will just yawn and go back to watching soccer. You, of course, will still be babbling in the Unz comment sections, likewise doing nothing to stop us.

So go out an adopt an Arab baby. They are an endangered species who won't be around much longer. Enjoy the time you have remaining with them.

I could be mistaken about greasy, but I think I smell a whiff of satire. Which if it is, is pretty effective in painting the picture pretty much as it is. Because, as he says, people (Jews or Gentiles for the most part) really don’t give a damn what happens to their fellow man as long as their misfortunes have no effect on their ability to shop for goodies and exist as human garbage disposal units.

For the twin towers that works. I'm satisfied that the fuel fires fed by the aircraft fuel tanks were enough to bring down the towers (I'm a Civil Engineer). Building 7 is a much different kettle of fish. I have seen no reason why that came down. It was not hit by the aircraft that hit the twin towers.

Little has been said about Building 7, however. You may know something I don't, but I haven't heard there was a fire in that building.

Controlled demolition charges brought all three building down in identical fashion, which is evidenced by the fact that although Building 7 was not hit by a plane of any sort, it collapse exactly like the Twin Towers. There simply is no other explanation and only an ignorant fool would claim otherwise.

You have several facts wrong. I have to go to sleep so I am not going to type up what all the incorrect facts are, but here is one: You said that they were held in the Bergen County Jail? They actually were split into two groups, one group held in Passaic County Jail and another group in, I believe, Hudson County Correctional Facility. Then they were all transfered to the Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn, NY.

And it is my understanding that the dancing Israelis were released and returned to Israel at the request of the Jews, Michal Chertoff

No, are you serious? Even if I had had that "testimony" in mind why would I interpret it as saying anything about the timing of the high-fivers' filming? But thank you for drawing my attention to evidence that what she saw is irrelevant to the critical timing question. Her neighbour sees the smoke from the crash, or conceivably the actual crash, perhaps fetches a pair of binoculars and watches for say half a minute then considers who to enjoy it with. Let's say "Maria" is her first choice so two minutes after first seeing something remarkable she rings Maria and after another minute Maria has found her binoculars and gone to the window. Thirty seconds later she has noticed the high-fivers and begun to wonder what to do about it. Sorry, no evidence there at all that the camera had been set up to film the first crash. Indeed there is just as much reason to speculate that they had been sent out to create some video footage which would be used in an ad or doco and that they had by chance scored a bonus element that they immediately recognised could make their video clip worth a small fortune: hence the celebration.

Your excuses and explanations sound suspiciously like conspiracy theories to me. But they are by far the weakest I have encountered. Except maybe the hologram theory.

I could be mistaken about greasy, but I think I smell a whiff of satire. Which if it is, is pretty effective in painting the picture pretty much as it is. Because, as he says, people (Jews or Gentiles for the most part) really don't give a damn what happens to their fellow man as long as their misfortunes have no effect on their ability to shop for goodies and exist as human garbage disposal units.

You think you smell the whiff of satire? You could be mistaken?

You have aspergers if you can’t immediately tell that his post is total crap.

No, are you serious? Even if I had had that "testimony" in mind why would I interpret it as saying anything about the timing of the high-fivers' filming? But thank you for drawing my attention to evidence that what she saw is irrelevant to the critical timing question. Her neighbour sees the smoke from the crash, or conceivably the actual crash, perhaps fetches a pair of binoculars and watches for say half a minute then considers who to enjoy it with. Let's say "Maria" is her first choice so two minutes after first seeing something remarkable she rings Maria and after another minute Maria has found her binoculars and gone to the window. Thirty seconds later she has noticed the high-fivers and begun to wonder what to do about it. Sorry, no evidence there at all that the camera had been set up to film the first crash. Indeed there is just as much reason to speculate that they had been sent out to create some video footage which would be used in an ad or doco and that they had by chance scored a bonus element that they immediately recognised could make their video clip worth a small fortune: hence the celebration.

” Indeed there is just as much reason to speculate that they had been sent out to create some video footage which would be used in an ad or doco and that they had by chance scored a bonus element that they immediately recognised could make their video clip worth a small fortune: hence the celebration.”

Yes, indeed. Video so valuable that it was “worth a small fortune,” which surely explains why we don’t see it any more.

What are these 2 videos supposed to prove?
Stuff like this is what gives 911Truth a bad name.

If you’re too stupid to figure out what these two videos prove, then explaining it to you will probably be a waste of my time. But I’ll give it a shot.
Since Flight 93 was shot down as Dick Cheney unambiguously admits, it proves the official version of what brought Flight 93 down is a total lie fabricated by phychos like Cheney void of any soul or conscious. With a significant portion of that lie being the cock-and-bull, Let’s Roll narrative which was obviously produced in a studio containing appropriate sound effects..

As to Bush stating, as he unambiguously did, that he watched the 1st plane fly into the 1st Twin Tower on commercial TV, while waiting inside the entrance lobby of the school in Florida before presenting his Pet Goat reading lesson to the kids inside the school, would have been impossible since that particular video did not surface until the following day and was not shown on commercial TV until the afternoon of the following day. Which proves, beyond doubt that in addition to being a bumbling idiot who himself cannot read a simple sentence, George Bush is either a consummate cold-hearted liar, or he really did watch the 1st plane hit the 1st Tower, doing so on a Secret Service provided closed-circuit TV connection inside a limo or highly secure presidential command post set up there in one of the school’s parking lots.
It is a very significant statistic that about 85% of people living in countries other than the US are fully aware that 9/11 was a false-flag attack. No doubt about it. While about 40% of Americans share that same conviction. Which proves two significant thing; What passes in this country for “news” is 99% pure propaganda being produced and broadcast on a 24/7 basis by the Zionist owned news media. With the other significant proof being that America is grossly over-populated with complete idiots like you who do not have the mental capacity to escape a shower of shit, or figure your way out of open paper sack.

Since Flight 93 was shot down as Dick Cheney unambiguously admits, it proves the official version of what brought Flight 93 down is a total lie

Rummy also blurted out that the plane was shot down

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6Xoxaf1Al0

I notice Cheney slips in that he ordered it on the president's (that chimp) authority

that same smirking chimp who sat in that classroom for 20 something minutes when he and his entire staff all knew that the second plane had hit and that our country was under murderous attack.

and he sat there,

with a that stupid look on his mug for over 20 minutes

and his secret service allowed!!! him to sit there.

that is just one more smoking gun to the whole idiotic conspiracy theory that this whole thing was perpetrated by Osama with his cell phone and laptop in a cave in Afghanistan. Not only was he able to implode three building by hitting only two, and turn the first two into powder, and shut down NORAD and SAC and prevent any jets from being scrambled (as is routine protocol and is done within a couple of minutes of a hijacking), but he was able to order the secret service to stand down. And was able to keep the president of the country paralyzed as the attack was commencing. Talk about a wild conspiracy theory

what I wonder is how many of the people who STILL believe the official version (or parrot the lies) are that stupid vs. how many are dishonest apologists for the treacherous fiends who committed that singular act of pure, stone-cold evil on that day. And if they're the latter, what does that make them?

George Bush says he saw plane hit 1st trade center 24 hours before clip was released to public.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ItIH7NXWD8&feature=player_embedded

In the 1st video, Cheney says that he gave the order, not whether the order was actually carried out. But that is neither here nor there. Whether they did or didn't shoot the plane down (and please remember all the complaints that NORAD was busy with some sort of drill and therefore NOT able to shoot down the 2 planes that hit the towers), or even whether they stuck with a hero myth about the plane crash, has no bearing on the question of who, or how, or who knew, etc., the main event...WTC.

The 2nd video shows a GW Bush Q&A. You're trying to make a big deal of it because he said, "...I saw a plane hit..." SO WHAT. That's how people talk. This is just short for "I saw that a plane hit" or "I saw that a plane had hit" because what he obviously saw on TV was the smoking building, and he may even have heard the New Yorker who said that they saw the plane hit, or just the news commentators who were all talking about a plane hitting.

You used typical internet behavior: someone disagrees with you, call them too stupid for words. Actually, I'm happy that the Truthers won't let this go, but these videos prove nothing, and citing them as 'evidence' detracts from and discredits serious investigation.

Southern,
Are you unaware that Mossad operatives routinely dress and pose as Muslim terrorist? With one of their important functions being to produce staged videos and interviews during which they threaten death and destruction to the infidels in the West etc. etc. They do it all the time. Remember the fake Bin Laden tapes and interviews released just prior to Bush The Lessor's election to his 2nd term in office, even though his 1st 4 years had been an embarrassing failure. With these particular fake recording being produced and released just in time (about weeks prior to the election) to fool gullible American voters into boosting Bush's popularity just enough t get him elected to a 2nd term, which of course turned out to be more disastrous than his 1st term. With both of his terms serving as a god-send to Saturday Night Live and other such satirist and stand-up comedians whom he provided free of charge with laugh-lines that were far superior to any the most skillful writers of political satire could ever hope to produce. In fact, there is little doubt that Bush put practically all mediocre writers out of work, along with a majority of the best. With Sarah Palin completing the job 4 years later. So, the long and short of all this is that you can dismiss the "Muslim Terrorist" thing for the Mossad.CIA produced propaganda it is. In short, prior to 9/11, (and probably ever since) there were no Muslim terrorist being "tracked" by Mossad agents. Who, if anything would have been merely following them around to serve as guides and coaches on how to be effective fake terrorist. In summing up, allow yourself to absorb the reality that THERE WERE NO MUSLIM TERRORIST ON ANY OF THE FOUR AIRLINERS ON THE MORNING OF 9/11. That means none, zero, zilch.

The "hi-jacked" airliners were all ELECTRONALLY HI-JACKED by their on-board flight controllers having been re-programmed (probably by Mossad agents at airports where Israeli companies were in charge of security which included all four of the airports from which hi-jacked planes departed on 9/11) with programs consisting of digital commands that took control of the planes from the pilots and flew them precisely to exact GPS co-ordinates that would have included the Twin Towers. With a 3rd plane into the Pentagon. (All on-board flight controllers are nothing more than digital computers pre-programmed by flight engineers to fly, airliners with great accuracy (using GPS co-ordinances) to pin-point GPS location within the plane's flight range, determined primarily by how much fuel is on board the plane.) The 4th plane (flight 93) was supposed to have made a U-turn (as did the plane which hit the Pentagon) and return to strike Building #7 (which like the Twin Towers had been equipped long before 9/11 with proper demolition charges (along with a homing beacon that produce a radar beam called glide path radar that, with great precision controls airliners making final approaches airport run-ways with the pilot (except under emergency conditions) never touching the planes controls during approach. But during the event of 9/11 he planes simply the buildings just as they do when approaching run-ways. But in the case of Flight #93, things apparently did not work out as planned. With perhaps the pilots or flight engineer on the flight figuring-out a way to re-gain control of their plane. After which they would have landed at the nearest available airport as all pilots are instructed to do following emergencies on board. But of course that was not going to happen. Thus Dick Cheney, who had been left in charge at the White on 9/11 (while the bumbling idiot Bush was dispatched for obvious reasons to Florida to read goat stories to the captive school kids) issued or had issued an order for Flight #93 to be shot-down by a fighter planes that known to be in the immediate area and which was seen by civilians and at the time. With the shoot-down being made evident by the fact that luggage and various items of debris, as well as parts of the airliner itself were found by civilians (but quickly hushed-up by the controlled news media) up to 8 miles from the crash sight (in the approaching direction) . Serving as clear evidence that the airliner was struck by an air to air missile prior to it (or what was left of it) crashing vertically into the ground near Summerset, PA. Dick Cheney (probably inadvertently) once actually admitted to the airliner being shot-down. Doing so during a hurried interview for which he was apparently unprepared. Which if not been permanently removed, can be viewed via U-tube. You see, these sick phychos make serious blunders and mistakes on a routine basis, yet most Americans, due to their general lack of knowledge (particularly relating to technical and scientific subjects) do not recognize them the blunders for the confessions they actually are. Excuse the rambling but this is a lot to cram into one paragraph.

Security services at all four airports from which “hi-jacked” planes departed on the morning of 9/11 were provided by a Dutch based Israeli Corporation called ICTS.

A few weeks ago, I posted a message on another unz.com thread in which I expressed some skepticism about the collapse of World Trade Center Building 7, which collapsed like the Twin Towers even though it had not been struck by any plane. A number of posters chided me for my conspiratorial ways (even though I advanced no conspiratorial theory, merely expressed skepticism), and one poster cited a link to a Popular Mechanics site which reprinted the results of a study by the National Institute of Standards and Technology issued in August 2008. I read the PM piece and found that the NIAT study advanced a third explanation which debunked the prior two explanations given for WTC No. 7's collapse. Here are some excerpts from the PM article:

"GAITHERSBURG, Maryland -- The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) has released its long-awaited report on the collapse of World Trade 7 following the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. "Our take-home message today is that the reason for the collapse of World Trade Center 7 is no longer a mystery," NIST lead investigator Shyam Sunder told journalists at this morning's press conference in Gaithersburg, Md. "WTC 7 collapsed because of fires fueled by office furnishings. It did not collapse from explosives or from diesel fuel fires." "

"The report clarifies a number of widely debated issues concerning the collapse, particularly the role of the building's many diesel fuel tanks and the importance of structural damage from falling WTC 1 debris. Both of those factors have been cited by investigators as possibly contributing to the collapse; the 2006 Popular Mechanics book Debunking 9/11 Myths: Why Conspiracy Theories Can't Stand Up to the Facts mentions both hypotheses. However, the final NIST report downplays both scenarios, concluding that the diesel fuel stored in tanks (and intended to power backup generators) did not burn long enough or hot enough to account for structural failures. And, while debris damage to WTC 7's southern exterior was considerable (and initiated the destructive fires), the collapse originated in the northeast portion of the building. In fact, the report concludes: "Even without the structural damage, WTC 7 would have collapsed from fires." " http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/design/a3524/4278874/

I don't profess to have any engineering background or knowledge, so I have no expert knowledge to bring to the table. All I have is a natural sense of skepticism, which has not been satisfied by reading the PM account of the NIST report. After all, to paraphrase a wonderful TV show called "Maverick" back in the late 50's when I was a teenager, "if you can't trust your federal government, who can you trust?"

A fellow “Maverick” fan salutes you. That show is every bit as funny now as it was a half-century ago.

If you're too stupid to figure out what these two videos prove, then explaining it to you will probably be a waste of my time. But I'll give it a shot.
Since Flight 93 was shot down as Dick Cheney unambiguously admits, it proves the official version of what brought Flight 93 down is a total lie fabricated by phychos like Cheney void of any soul or conscious. With a significant portion of that lie being the cock-and-bull, Let's Roll narrative which was obviously produced in a studio containing appropriate sound effects..

As to Bush stating, as he unambiguously did, that he watched the 1st plane fly into the 1st Twin Tower on commercial TV, while waiting inside the entrance lobby of the school in Florida before presenting his Pet Goat reading lesson to the kids inside the school, would have been impossible since that particular video did not surface until the following day and was not shown on commercial TV until the afternoon of the following day. Which proves, beyond doubt that in addition to being a bumbling idiot who himself cannot read a simple sentence, George Bush is either a consummate cold-hearted liar, or he really did watch the 1st plane hit the 1st Tower, doing so on a Secret Service provided closed-circuit TV connection inside a limo or highly secure presidential command post set up there in one of the school's parking lots.
It is a very significant statistic that about 85% of people living in countries other than the US are fully aware that 9/11 was a false-flag attack. No doubt about it. While about 40% of Americans share that same conviction. Which proves two significant thing; What passes in this country for "news" is 99% pure propaganda being produced and broadcast on a 24/7 basis by the Zionist owned news media. With the other significant proof being that America is grossly over-populated with complete idiots like you who do not have the mental capacity to escape a shower of shit, or figure your way out of open paper sack.

Since Flight 93 was shot down as Dick Cheney unambiguously admits, it proves the official version of what brought Flight 93 down is a total lie

Rummy also blurted out that the plane was shot down

I notice Cheney slips in that he ordered it on the president’s (that chimp) authority

that same smirking chimp who sat in that classroom for 20 something minutes when he and his entire staff all knew that the second plane had hit and that our country was under murderous attack.

and he sat there,

with a that stupid look on his mug for over 20 minutes

and his secret service allowed!!! him to sit there.

that is just one more smoking gun to the whole idiotic conspiracy theory that this whole thing was perpetrated by Osama with his cell phone and laptop in a cave in Afghanistan. Not only was he able to implode three building by hitting only two, and turn the first two into powder, and shut down NORAD and SAC and prevent any jets from being scrambled (as is routine protocol and is done within a couple of minutes of a hijacking), but he was able to order the secret service to stand down. And was able to keep the president of the country paralyzed as the attack was commencing. Talk about a wild conspiracy theory

what I wonder is how many of the people who STILL believe the official version (or parrot the lies) are that stupid vs. how many are dishonest apologists for the treacherous fiends who committed that singular act of pure, stone-cold evil on that day. And if they’re the latter, what does that make them?

- The reported links between the 9/11 terrorists and a Saudi Arabian family that lived in Sarasota are slowly coming into focus, despite the FBI's tenacious efforts to conceal them.

A Herald-Tribune story by Michael Pollick published Wednesday -- the 12th anniversary of the terrorist attacks -- reported that recently obtained FBI documents appear to confirm "many connections" between the family and the 9/11 hijackers who received flight training in Venice.

More could be revealed if a federal lawsuit filed against the FBI by a South Florida online newspaper is successful. The lawsuit seeks additional documents and agents' field notes related to their investigation of the family.

Among those interested is Bob Graham, the former Florida governor and U.S. senator who co-chaired a congressional panel that investigated the 9/11 attacks. Graham has filed a statement with the court in support of the lawsuit.

Since Flight 93 was shot down as Dick Cheney unambiguously admits, it proves the official version of what brought Flight 93 down is a total lie

Rummy also blurted out that the plane was shot down

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6Xoxaf1Al0

I notice Cheney slips in that he ordered it on the president's (that chimp) authority

that same smirking chimp who sat in that classroom for 20 something minutes when he and his entire staff all knew that the second plane had hit and that our country was under murderous attack.

and he sat there,

with a that stupid look on his mug for over 20 minutes

and his secret service allowed!!! him to sit there.

that is just one more smoking gun to the whole idiotic conspiracy theory that this whole thing was perpetrated by Osama with his cell phone and laptop in a cave in Afghanistan. Not only was he able to implode three building by hitting only two, and turn the first two into powder, and shut down NORAD and SAC and prevent any jets from being scrambled (as is routine protocol and is done within a couple of minutes of a hijacking), but he was able to order the secret service to stand down. And was able to keep the president of the country paralyzed as the attack was commencing. Talk about a wild conspiracy theory

what I wonder is how many of the people who STILL believe the official version (or parrot the lies) are that stupid vs. how many are dishonest apologists for the treacherous fiends who committed that singular act of pure, stone-cold evil on that day. And if they're the latter, what does that make them?

- The reported links between the 9/11 terrorists and a Saudi Arabian family that lived in Sarasota are slowly coming into focus, despite the FBI’s tenacious efforts to conceal them.

A Herald-Tribune story by Michael Pollick published Wednesday — the 12th anniversary of the terrorist attacks — reported that recently obtained FBI documents appear to confirm “many connections” between the family and the 9/11 hijackers who received flight training in Venice.

More could be revealed if a federal lawsuit filed against the FBI by a South Florida online newspaper is successful. The lawsuit seeks additional documents and agents’ field notes related to their investigation of the family.

Among those interested is Bob Graham, the former Florida governor and U.S. senator who co-chaired a congressional panel that investigated the 9/11 attacks. Graham has filed a statement with the court in support of the lawsuit.

Within just a couple of days following 9/11, I remember reading an article concerning Gov. Jeb Bush (who was governor of Florida at the time) being swiftly chauffeured to Elgin Air Force Base in Florida where, in the wee hours of the morning following 9/11 he supposedly removed certain records from files stored at the flight school where some of the alleged terrorist had received part of their flight training. I don't recall ever seeing a back-up article on this interesting story, but I have always felt that it was probably true, because it had that unmistakable ring of authenticity about it. But short of an investigation of 9/11 by reliable, sworn, Gentile-only citizens of this country who have subpoena powers enforced by a citizen's militia, mysteries like this one, as well as the mysterious death by "accident" of Marvin Bush's long-time, live-in nanny (who was supposedly pinned to a building and run over by her own automobile sitting in the driveway of Marvin Bush's home) will forever remain a mystery.
http://www.lookingglassnews.org/viewstory.php?storyid=3079

“A fellow “Maverick” fan salutes you. That show is every bit as funny now as it was a half-century ago.”

I totally agree. When I rented that DVD from Netflix about 5 years ago, it contained about three programs, the “Shady Deal” episode plus two others. I had a good memory of “Shady Deal” from seeing it as a child, and the line “if you can’t trust your banker” delivered by that oily character actor who positively oozed sleaze just stuck in my mind. But I was surprised how funny the episode was on seeing it roughly 50+ years later. (BTW “Maverick” began in 1957, and that was 58 years ago. I thought I would remind you just to make you feel old. Unless, that is, you saw it in reruns.) That has not been my experience on viewing old favorites. For example, when the musical “The Producers” opened on Broadway a number of years ago and drew rave reviews from the critics, I decided to rent the movie from Netflix to see if it was as hilarious as I and my girlfriend found it to be when we saw it in 1970, a few years after it first came out, when I was in my later 20′s. I can’t tell you how unfunny I found the movie 40 years later, although Zero Mostel and Gene Wilder were still very good. Something dramatic had changed in my taste for humor. I found it very interesting that something I found to be funny in my very early teens, like the “Maverick” episode, I still found funny 50+ years later, but something I found hilarious in my later 20′s, like “The Producers,” turned me off 40 years later.

Come on dude, you and that Carroll woman, get a life. Forget about the cabal and have a bit of fun. Who knows maybe this is your fun. Do you realize you sound stupid? What is this obsession with ' Da Joos!!!"

- The reported links between the 9/11 terrorists and a Saudi Arabian family that lived in Sarasota are slowly coming into focus, despite the FBI's tenacious efforts to conceal them.

A Herald-Tribune story by Michael Pollick published Wednesday -- the 12th anniversary of the terrorist attacks -- reported that recently obtained FBI documents appear to confirm "many connections" between the family and the 9/11 hijackers who received flight training in Venice.

More could be revealed if a federal lawsuit filed against the FBI by a South Florida online newspaper is successful. The lawsuit seeks additional documents and agents' field notes related to their investigation of the family.

Among those interested is Bob Graham, the former Florida governor and U.S. senator who co-chaired a congressional panel that investigated the 9/11 attacks. Graham has filed a statement with the court in support of the lawsuit.

Within just a couple of days following 9/11, I remember reading an article concerning Gov. Jeb Bush (who was governor of Florida at the time) being swiftly chauffeured to Elgin Air Force Base in Florida where, in the wee hours of the morning following 9/11 he supposedly removed certain records from files stored at the flight school where some of the alleged terrorist had received part of their flight training. I don’t recall ever seeing a back-up article on this interesting story, but I have always felt that it was probably true, because it had that unmistakable ring of authenticity about it. But short of an investigation of 9/11 by reliable, sworn, Gentile-only citizens of this country who have subpoena powers enforced by a citizen’s militia, mysteries like this one, as well as the mysterious death by “accident” of Marvin Bush’s long-time, live-in nanny (who was supposedly pinned to a building and run over by her own automobile sitting in the driveway of Marvin Bush’s home) will forever remain a mystery.

"A fellow "Maverick" fan salutes you. That show is every bit as funny now as it was a half-century ago."

I totally agree. When I rented that DVD from Netflix about 5 years ago, it contained about three programs, the "Shady Deal" episode plus two others. I had a good memory of "Shady Deal" from seeing it as a child, and the line "if you can't trust your banker" delivered by that oily character actor who positively oozed sleaze just stuck in my mind. But I was surprised how funny the episode was on seeing it roughly 50+ years later. (BTW "Maverick" began in 1957, and that was 58 years ago. I thought I would remind you just to make you feel old. Unless, that is, you saw it in reruns.) That has not been my experience on viewing old favorites. For example, when the musical "The Producers" opened on Broadway a number of years ago and drew rave reviews from the critics, I decided to rent the movie from Netflix to see if it was as hilarious as I and my girlfriend found it to be when we saw it in 1970, a few years after it first came out, when I was in my later 20's. I can't tell you how unfunny I found the movie 40 years later, although Zero Mostel and Gene Wilder were still very good. Something dramatic had changed in my taste for humor. I found it very interesting that something I found to be funny in my very early teens, like the "Maverick" episode, I still found funny 50+ years later, but something I found hilarious in my later 20's, like "The Producers," turned me off 40 years later.

FYI: All five seasons of “Maverick” are on dvd, released by the studio (not some lousy bootleg).

Is there any specific causal link with "Maverick" and the five dancing Israeli's ?

Like maybe they were watching a "rerun" back at the shop that morning before they were instructed to go out and film the towers being struck ?

And if so, I wonder which episode ?

Maybe they were dancing,laughing and high-five-ing....not in jubilation over the airliner hitting its mark, but a sequence of "Maverick" they thought was really funny ?

According to Mr Oz, the near infinite legal and moral possibilities for such Jubilant behavior at the time of the attack, could not" reasonably " exclude such an episode , as being, in fact , the true catalyst for their "jubilation".

Come on dude, you and that Carroll woman, get a life. Forget about the cabal and have a bit of fun. Who knows maybe this is your fun. Do you realize you sound stupid? What is this obsession with ‘ Da Joos!!!”

It would be an impossible task to compile a complete list, but just a couple of obsessions informed individuals have with Da Joos, is that Da Joos routinely spy-on and betray host countries in which they dwell as pest and parasites, are past-masters at hatching false-flag attacks leading to millions of innocent civilians being maimed and killed in foreign wars that are fought by Gentiles for the benefit of Da Jooish Banksters and the creation of a Greater Israel.
Any further questions?

Come on dude, you and that Carroll woman, get a life. Forget about the cabal and have a bit of fun. Who knows maybe this is your fun. Do you realize you sound stupid? What is this obsession with ' Da Joos!!!"

It would be an impossible task to compile a complete list, but just a couple of obsessions informed individuals have with Da Joos, is that Da Joos routinely spy-on and betray host countries in which they dwell as pest and parasites, are past-masters at hatching false-flag attacks leading to millions of innocent civilians being maimed and killed in foreign wars that are fought by Gentiles for the benefit of Da Jooish Banksters and the creation of a Greater Israel.
Any further questions?

"........was that the speed (actually rate of acceleration) remains the same for all falling objects regardless of their mass (weight)"

the fact that you could even carelessly equate speed with acceleration due to gravity, indicates that you are spouting what you probably read from some internet site yesterday, without understanding what you wrote.

Bullshit. You unknowingly contradict your own pathetic theory while effectively claiming that the laws of physical science relating to the acceleration of falling bodies increasing at a known rate in the absence of resistive forces was not in effect on the morning of 9/11. If the twin towers collapsed in a pancake fashion, why did we not see a large stack of floors consisting of concrete and steel sitting neatly on top of each other like a huge pancake instead of a pile of vertical support columns that had been cut by thermate into shipping length pieces for shipment to China? But take note of the fact there were no concrete floor slabs because they had been atomized by explosive charges that distributed several inches of pulverized concrete dust over most of lower Manhattan Island.

Another reason to doubt “Isaac Newton” ‘s credentials is his claim that the collapsing floors fell faster as they got bigger. Gravitational (i.e., free-fall) acceleration is independent of mass.

The floors would be falling at the same speed if they were each merely knocked loose but all the floors above them were already falling at a high speed and PUSHED the lower floors giving them an additional acceleration besides the gravitational. The lower the floor, the heavier and faster the mass that fell on it, so the more quickly it descended.

Polymath,
The last sentence of your nonsensical response, is an indication that you have no grasp of elementary physics. One of the basic laws of physics relating to the speed of falling objects was discovered by physicist, Sir Isaac Newton (the real one not the one occasionally making ill-informed comments on this thread) was that the speed (actually rate of acceleration) remains the same for all falling objects regardless of their mass (weight). That is to say, when released from the same height at the exact same instant, and allowed to drop freely through the atmosphere, a 9 pound cannon ball will strike the ground at the exact same instant as a 6 ounce musket ball.

Likewise projectiles (regardless of weight) fired HORIZONTALLY from the barrel of smooth bore guns, will strike the ground at the exact same instant as an object (regardless of weight) dropped at the same instant from a height equal to that of the barrel of the gun from which the projectile was fired.

This near total absence of understanding among the general population of Americans of this basic law of physics is but one of the things that makes America the "exceptional" country it has become. Causing the average American to not recognize what they are seeing when they observe the controlled demolition of the three buildings on 9/11. At which time, all three of the buildings dropped to the ground at essentially free-fall acceleration (about 7.1 seconds for the Twin Towers and slightly over 6 seconds for Building #7.) With this being due to the absence of resistance caused by support structures directly below each falling portion of the building having been removed by carefully timed, demolition charges designed for that purpose. Leading to the indisputable mathematically proven fact that the upper-most portion of each building (like the antenna atop one of the Twin Towers) struck the ground at essentially the same instant as a bowling ball would have if dropped from that same height.

FYI: All five seasons of "Maverick" are on dvd, released by the studio (not some lousy bootleg).

Is there any specific causal link with “Maverick” and the five dancing Israeli’s ?

Like maybe they were watching a “rerun” back at the shop that morning before they were instructed to go out and film the towers being struck ?

And if so, I wonder which episode ?

Maybe they were dancing,laughing and high-five-ing….not in jubilation over the airliner hitting its mark, but a sequence of “Maverick” they thought was really funny ?

According to Mr Oz, the near infinite legal and moral possibilities for such Jubilant behavior at the time of the attack, could not” reasonably ” exclude such an episode , as being, in fact , the true catalyst for their “jubilation”.

Occasionally on the UNZ Review the discussion goes off topic for awhile. It happens. Also on UNZ, I occasionally see people offer a helpful suggestion to another commenter regarding that off-topic matter. It does not seem to bother anyone as far as I can see. But it has apparently bothered you to such an extent that I have to endure a pointless response, dripping with sarcasm.

"Is there any specific causal link with “Maverick” and the five dancing Israeli’s ? "

Since your incredibly stupid remark involves a reference first made by me in message #156, let me respond. In that message, I discussed the report reprinted in Popular Mechanics by another poster about the study concluded by the NIST in 2008 re the collapse of WTC Building No. 7. In my last paragraph, I stated:

"I don’t profess to have any engineering background or knowledge, so I have no expert knowledge to bring to the table. All I have is a natural sense of skepticism, which has not been satisfied by reading the PM account of the NIST report. After all, to paraphrase a wonderful TV show called “Maverick” back in the late 50′s when I was a teenager, “if you can’t trust your federal government, who can you trust?” "

Since you are obviously part of the world-wide cabal organized and led by Wizard of Ooze (including that half Brit dunce "Deduction" who apparently is rather ignorant and clueless about his traditional religion), you are obviously devoted to the State of Israel. As you can clearly see, my original message had nothing to do with the "dancing Israelis," something you could have easily determined by going back and reviewing the prior messages. But that would have stood in the way of your rather ignorant cheap shot designed to divert attention and inject some doubt into an issue you would rather not address. Little wonder that many posters here regard Wizard of Ooze and his followers as nothing more than trolls. As my exchange with Deduction amply demonstrated, I am somewhat surprised that you guys can purport to speak so authoritatively about matters where you are so obviously ignorant and bring nothing to the table. You are a stupid man who mistakenly prides himself on his "clever wit."

I'm sure there are Israeli spies in America, but if these guys were spies, then why would they go on a popular late night talk show to deny it, and then sue the US government for damages?

Granted that the Israelis aren't the smartest people in the world, but it's just common sense that if actual spies get caught and then released, you don't draw media attention to it.

You are neglecting to wrap your brain around the jewish predilection to demonstrate their world famous, and extremely infuriating habit of ‘chutzpah’, Mr. Gross.

A case in point – and exhibit A for the prosecution: ‘Lucky’ Larry Silverstein. This arrogant and chutzpahetic slab of Satan’s seed had the gall to take out insurance policies on the WTC towers just a few short months before the September 11, 2001 attacks and he specifically demanded that his insurance policies covered ‘acts of terrorism’.

If we were living in a normal nation, one that had not been thoroughly corrupted, subverted, and poisoned by jewish influence and domination, anyone who took out insurance policies a few months before a huge terrorist attack on a building that they owned and insisted that the policies cover ‘acts of terrorism’ – would have generated enormous levels of suspicion and would have been grounds for an extensive insurance fraud investigation. Also, Silverstein was not merely content with receiving a single insurance payout – he had the gonads to demand that he be paid as if these three WTC towers were victims of separate acts of terrorism and the SOB actually pulled that scam off. Clearly, Silverstein had prior knowledge of the coming 9-11 attacks and he saw that as an opportunity to butt rape his insurance company. And, to make sure he was able to succeed in his insurance scam, he received a little help from Michael Bernard Mukasey, who was strategically positioned as Attorney General at the very time the Silverstein insurance dispute was working its way through the courts. Mukasey, if you haven’t guessed, is also a Son of Israel. Tribal networking, Tribal thinking, Tribal cooperation – is the name of the game – and no race of people do it more effectively than the ‘tribe’.

Thus, when these Israelis were trying to sue the US Government after appearing on that Israeli TV program and admitting that they were ‘there to document the event’ – it was just another example of the chutzpah that Israelis are famous for demonstrating. Not only did they engineer the biggest and most deadly act of terrorism against the USA in American history – but the arrogant SOBs even made every effort they could think up to find a way to profit off of it.

To confirm what you say about the Jewish predilection to demonstrate their world famous, and extremely infuriating habit of ‘chutzpah’, read the Old Testament. Who else beside Jews would have the nerve to brag and boast about the number of innocent people they kill? And hold annual feast celebrating the murders they carry out?

Let us not forget, just three days after the 9/11, the former head of Pakistan intelligence agency ISI, Lt. Gen. Hamid Gul (d. 2015), blamed Bush administration and Israeli Mossad for planning and carrying out the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.

In an interview with Arnaud de Borchgrave, UPI editor-at-large on September 14, 2001, Hamid Gul pointed finger at Bush administration and Israel for masterminding the 9/11 events: “The U.S. spends $40 billion a year on its 11 intelligence agencies. That’s $400 billion in 10 years. Yet the Bush Administration says it was taken by surprise. I don’t believe it. Within 10 minutes of the second twin tower being hit in the World Trade Center CNN said Osama bin Laden had done it. That was a planned piece of disinformation by the real perpetrators. It created an instant mindset and put public opinion into a trance, which prevented even intelligent people from thinking for themselves.”

The floors would be falling at the same speed if they were each merely knocked loose but all the floors above them were already falling at a high speed and PUSHED the lower floors giving them an additional acceleration besides the gravitational. The lower the floor, the heavier and faster the mass that fell on it, so the more quickly it descended.

Polymath,
The last sentence of your nonsensical response, is an indication that you have no grasp of elementary physics. One of the basic laws of physics relating to the speed of falling objects was discovered by physicist, Sir Isaac Newton (the real one not the one occasionally making ill-informed comments on this thread) was that the speed (actually rate of acceleration) remains the same for all falling objects regardless of their mass (weight). That is to say, when released from the same height at the exact same instant, and allowed to drop freely through the atmosphere, a 9 pound cannon ball will strike the ground at the exact same instant as a 6 ounce musket ball.

Likewise projectiles (regardless of weight) fired HORIZONTALLY from the barrel of smooth bore guns, will strike the ground at the exact same instant as an object (regardless of weight) dropped at the same instant from a height equal to that of the barrel of the gun from which the projectile was fired.

This near total absence of understanding among the general population of Americans of this basic law of physics is but one of the things that makes America the “exceptional” country it has become. Causing the average American to not recognize what they are seeing when they observe the controlled demolition of the three buildings on 9/11. At which time, all three of the buildings dropped to the ground at essentially free-fall acceleration (about 7.1 seconds for the Twin Towers and slightly over 6 seconds for Building #7.) With this being due to the absence of resistance caused by support structures directly below each falling portion of the building having been removed by carefully timed, demolition charges designed for that purpose. Leading to the indisputable mathematically proven fact that the upper-most portion of each building (like the antenna atop one of the Twin Towers) struck the ground at essentially the same instant as a bowling ball would have if dropped from that same height.

Is there any specific causal link with "Maverick" and the five dancing Israeli's ?

Like maybe they were watching a "rerun" back at the shop that morning before they were instructed to go out and film the towers being struck ?

And if so, I wonder which episode ?

Maybe they were dancing,laughing and high-five-ing....not in jubilation over the airliner hitting its mark, but a sequence of "Maverick" they thought was really funny ?

According to Mr Oz, the near infinite legal and moral possibilities for such Jubilant behavior at the time of the attack, could not" reasonably " exclude such an episode , as being, in fact , the true catalyst for their "jubilation".

Occasionally on the UNZ Review the discussion goes off topic for awhile. It happens. Also on UNZ, I occasionally see people offer a helpful suggestion to another commenter regarding that off-topic matter. It does not seem to bother anyone as far as I can see. But it has apparently bothered you to such an extent that I have to endure a pointless response, dripping with sarcasm.

"Was there a report of the Israeli security company personnel in charge of Logan Airport security …laughing, dancing, and high five-ing too…. when the planes struck ?…..

..or was it just the members of Israeli moving company in New Jersey ?"

On another thread, I cited the very real case of PM Netanyahu stating on Fox News Sunday back in 2010 (without challenge or question by that ace newsman Chris Wallace about a matter which struck me immediately on hearing it that it was major news) that the Taliban was the mastermind behind 9/11 and was responsible for urging on Al Qaeda to attack the U.S. on 9/11, an assertion that has absolutely no basis in fact.
http://www.unz.com/ishamir/from-the-airliner-to-the-bomber/#comment-1245332
http://www.unz.com/ishamir/from-the-airliner-to-the-bomber/#comment-1246059

Now, following your logic, are we to assume that all Israelis subscribe to that nonsensical position and that all Jews worldwide believe as Netanyahu stated on American TV? I would bet that even Netanyahu doesn't believe that BS he was spouting. After all, most of the many Jews I have known in my lifetime don't even believe the childish nonsense (as Albert Einstein put it) in the Book of Exodus about Moses parting the Red Sea (with Yahweh's help, of course).

The floors would be falling at the same speed if they were each merely knocked loose but all the floors above them were already falling at a high speed and PUSHED the lower floors giving them an additional acceleration besides the gravitational. The lower the floor, the heavier and faster the mass that fell on it, so the more quickly it descended.

You’re not only completely and totally wrong, you’re delusional – or paid to post such nonsense.

Is there any specific causal link with "Maverick" and the five dancing Israeli's ?

Like maybe they were watching a "rerun" back at the shop that morning before they were instructed to go out and film the towers being struck ?

And if so, I wonder which episode ?

Maybe they were dancing,laughing and high-five-ing....not in jubilation over the airliner hitting its mark, but a sequence of "Maverick" they thought was really funny ?

According to Mr Oz, the near infinite legal and moral possibilities for such Jubilant behavior at the time of the attack, could not" reasonably " exclude such an episode , as being, in fact , the true catalyst for their "jubilation".

“Is there any specific causal link with “Maverick” and the five dancing Israeli’s ? ”

Since your incredibly stupid remark involves a reference first made by me in message #156, let me respond. In that message, I discussed the report reprinted in Popular Mechanics by another poster about the study concluded by the NIST in 2008 re the collapse of WTC Building No. 7. In my last paragraph, I stated:

“I don’t profess to have any engineering background or knowledge, so I have no expert knowledge to bring to the table. All I have is a natural sense of skepticism, which has not been satisfied by reading the PM account of the NIST report. After all, to paraphrase a wonderful TV show called “Maverick” back in the late 50′s when I was a teenager, “if you can’t trust your federal government, who can you trust?” ”

Since you are obviously part of the world-wide cabal organized and led by Wizard of Ooze (including that half Brit dunce “Deduction” who apparently is rather ignorant and clueless about his traditional religion), you are obviously devoted to the State of Israel. As you can clearly see, my original message had nothing to do with the “dancing Israelis,” something you could have easily determined by going back and reviewing the prior messages. But that would have stood in the way of your rather ignorant cheap shot designed to divert attention and inject some doubt into an issue you would rather not address. Little wonder that many posters here regard Wizard of Ooze and his followers as nothing more than trolls. As my exchange with Deduction amply demonstrated, I am somewhat surprised that you guys can purport to speak so authoritatively about matters where you are so obviously ignorant and bring nothing to the table. You are a stupid man who mistakenly prides himself on his “clever wit.”

I too occasionally wander off topic and I find, just as in this case, that it usually makes for an even more entertaining thread. Not while it's at the top of the page perhaps, but once people start to lose interest and they become little offshoots of conversations, why not?

I even tried to see if I could watch the program on youtube, (but they wanted money ; )

- I'll catch it when I can.

when the trolls start acting butt hurt and complaining about things so benign just to assuage their hurt feelings, then we know it's getting to them ; )

Polymath,
The last sentence of your nonsensical response, is an indication that you have no grasp of elementary physics. One of the basic laws of physics relating to the speed of falling objects was discovered by physicist, Sir Isaac Newton (the real one not the one occasionally making ill-informed comments on this thread) was that the speed (actually rate of acceleration) remains the same for all falling objects regardless of their mass (weight). That is to say, when released from the same height at the exact same instant, and allowed to drop freely through the atmosphere, a 9 pound cannon ball will strike the ground at the exact same instant as a 6 ounce musket ball.

Likewise projectiles (regardless of weight) fired HORIZONTALLY from the barrel of smooth bore guns, will strike the ground at the exact same instant as an object (regardless of weight) dropped at the same instant from a height equal to that of the barrel of the gun from which the projectile was fired.

This near total absence of understanding among the general population of Americans of this basic law of physics is but one of the things that makes America the "exceptional" country it has become. Causing the average American to not recognize what they are seeing when they observe the controlled demolition of the three buildings on 9/11. At which time, all three of the buildings dropped to the ground at essentially free-fall acceleration (about 7.1 seconds for the Twin Towers and slightly over 6 seconds for Building #7.) With this being due to the absence of resistance caused by support structures directly below each falling portion of the building having been removed by carefully timed, demolition charges designed for that purpose. Leading to the indisputable mathematically proven fact that the upper-most portion of each building (like the antenna atop one of the Twin Towers) struck the ground at essentially the same instant as a bowling ball would have if dropped from that same height.

Where it is quite true that on planet earth, this law of physics applies to bodies in free fall, regardless of their weight…..the law seems to breakdown with much more massive bodies in space.

lets assume two bodies in space were traveling toward earth at a relative equal speed..one was the size of a small asteroid ( 50 feet across) the other nearly the size of earth itself…

At a certain point the much more massive body would accelerate faster toward earth than the asteroid..

The reason being its own gravitational force would act as a multiplier to Earths…..Drawing the two bodies together at a much faster rate.

Wrong.
The two bodies in space (or anywhere else) would accelerate at the same rate because the same gravitational force (pull) is being applied equally to both. Which is in accordance with the law of physics which states that any two (or more) bodies subjected to the same gravitational force, will if released at the same time, will arrive at the same point at the same time. Conforming with my earlier comment explaining to why a cannon ball weighing 9 lbs. will reach the ground at the same time as a musket ball weighing only a few ounces. That is if each are released at the exact same time. If one ball is released before the other, the one released first will reach the ground first, with the 2nd ball reaching the ground at a time equal to the difference in time between their release.
It is believed (and could very well be true) that Sir Isaac Newton proved this basic law of physics by dropping objects of different weight (mass) from the Leaning Tower Of Pisa which still stands in Italy. According to his comments regarding the experiments, he was as surprised as his assistance and acquaintances at the results he found. Because up to that time, (1680s)everyone assumed (and unfortunately most still do) that a heavier body naturally falls faster than a lighter one. Which explains why most people who observe the 3 buildings falling at free-fall acceleration (proved by how long it took for them to reach the ground) do not understand that this could not have possibly occurred unless the supporting structure below each floor had been present to offer resistance to downward movement and acceleration. Proving beyond doubt that precisely timed demolition charges were removing supporting structure under each floor prevent the floor above it from experiencing any resistance to downward motion. Which this sequence continuing until the upper-most floor of the building dropped to the ground at the exact same time it would have hit the ground if dropped from a helicopter hovering at the same height of the top of the building. Or, as mentioned earlier, the upper-most portion of the building hit the ground at the same time a bowling ball dropped from the same height.

Occasionally on the UNZ Review the discussion goes off topic for awhile. It happens. Also on UNZ, I occasionally see people offer a helpful suggestion to another commenter regarding that off-topic matter. It does not seem to bother anyone as far as I can see. But it has apparently bothered you to such an extent that I have to endure a pointless response, dripping with sarcasm.

But if that makes you happy and feel important, be my guest!

No bother on the off topic… in the least….And it wasn’t meant as an aside to you..or the program..I was just seeing if I could pull it back on topic…that’s it.

"Is there any specific causal link with “Maverick” and the five dancing Israeli’s ? "

Since your incredibly stupid remark involves a reference first made by me in message #156, let me respond. In that message, I discussed the report reprinted in Popular Mechanics by another poster about the study concluded by the NIST in 2008 re the collapse of WTC Building No. 7. In my last paragraph, I stated:

"I don’t profess to have any engineering background or knowledge, so I have no expert knowledge to bring to the table. All I have is a natural sense of skepticism, which has not been satisfied by reading the PM account of the NIST report. After all, to paraphrase a wonderful TV show called “Maverick” back in the late 50′s when I was a teenager, “if you can’t trust your federal government, who can you trust?” "

Since you are obviously part of the world-wide cabal organized and led by Wizard of Ooze (including that half Brit dunce "Deduction" who apparently is rather ignorant and clueless about his traditional religion), you are obviously devoted to the State of Israel. As you can clearly see, my original message had nothing to do with the "dancing Israelis," something you could have easily determined by going back and reviewing the prior messages. But that would have stood in the way of your rather ignorant cheap shot designed to divert attention and inject some doubt into an issue you would rather not address. Little wonder that many posters here regard Wizard of Ooze and his followers as nothing more than trolls. As my exchange with Deduction amply demonstrated, I am somewhat surprised that you guys can purport to speak so authoritatively about matters where you are so obviously ignorant and bring nothing to the table. You are a stupid man who mistakenly prides himself on his "clever wit."

I too occasionally wander off topic and I find, just as in this case, that it usually makes for an even more entertaining thread. Not while it’s at the top of the page perhaps, but once people start to lose interest and they become little offshoots of conversations, why not?

I even tried to see if I could watch the program on youtube, (but they wanted money ; )

- I’ll catch it when I can.

when the trolls start acting butt hurt and complaining about things so benign just to assuage their hurt feelings, then we know it’s getting to them ; )

Was there a report of the Israeli security company personnel in charge of Logan Airport security ...laughing, dancing, and high five-ing too.... when the planes struck ?.....

..or was it just the members of Israeli moving company in New Jersey ?

“Was there a report of the Israeli security company personnel in charge of Logan Airport security …laughing, dancing, and high five-ing too…. when the planes struck ?…..

..or was it just the members of Israeli moving company in New Jersey ?”

On another thread, I cited the very real case of PM Netanyahu stating on Fox News Sunday back in 2010 (without challenge or question by that ace newsman Chris Wallace about a matter which struck me immediately on hearing it that it was major news) that the Taliban was the mastermind behind 9/11 and was responsible for urging on Al Qaeda to attack the U.S. on 9/11, an assertion that has absolutely no basis in fact.

Now, following your logic, are we to assume that all Israelis subscribe to that nonsensical position and that all Jews worldwide believe as Netanyahu stated on American TV? I would bet that even Netanyahu doesn’t believe that BS he was spouting. After all, most of the many Jews I have known in my lifetime don’t even believe the childish nonsense (as Albert Einstein put it) in the Book of Exodus about Moses parting the Red Sea (with Yahweh’s help, of course).

Come on dude, you and that Carroll woman, get a life. Forget about the cabal and have a bit of fun. Who knows maybe this is your fun. Do you realize you sound stupid? What is this obsession with ' Da Joos!!!"

Say anon3,

It appears that Sana Barbara was a personal fight between a Jew and a Muslim.

“San Bernardino Terrorist To Jewish Victim: ‘You Will Never See Israel’”

"Is there any specific causal link with “Maverick” and the five dancing Israeli’s ? "

Since your incredibly stupid remark involves a reference first made by me in message #156, let me respond. In that message, I discussed the report reprinted in Popular Mechanics by another poster about the study concluded by the NIST in 2008 re the collapse of WTC Building No. 7. In my last paragraph, I stated:

"I don’t profess to have any engineering background or knowledge, so I have no expert knowledge to bring to the table. All I have is a natural sense of skepticism, which has not been satisfied by reading the PM account of the NIST report. After all, to paraphrase a wonderful TV show called “Maverick” back in the late 50′s when I was a teenager, “if you can’t trust your federal government, who can you trust?” "

Since you are obviously part of the world-wide cabal organized and led by Wizard of Ooze (including that half Brit dunce "Deduction" who apparently is rather ignorant and clueless about his traditional religion), you are obviously devoted to the State of Israel. As you can clearly see, my original message had nothing to do with the "dancing Israelis," something you could have easily determined by going back and reviewing the prior messages. But that would have stood in the way of your rather ignorant cheap shot designed to divert attention and inject some doubt into an issue you would rather not address. Little wonder that many posters here regard Wizard of Ooze and his followers as nothing more than trolls. As my exchange with Deduction amply demonstrated, I am somewhat surprised that you guys can purport to speak so authoritatively about matters where you are so obviously ignorant and bring nothing to the table. You are a stupid man who mistakenly prides himself on his "clever wit."

Dear Tbraton,

There is a chance you may have misinterpreted my comment to” schmenz .”

"Was there a report of the Israeli security company personnel in charge of Logan Airport security …laughing, dancing, and high five-ing too…. when the planes struck ?…..

..or was it just the members of Israeli moving company in New Jersey ?"

On another thread, I cited the very real case of PM Netanyahu stating on Fox News Sunday back in 2010 (without challenge or question by that ace newsman Chris Wallace about a matter which struck me immediately on hearing it that it was major news) that the Taliban was the mastermind behind 9/11 and was responsible for urging on Al Qaeda to attack the U.S. on 9/11, an assertion that has absolutely no basis in fact.
http://www.unz.com/ishamir/from-the-airliner-to-the-bomber/#comment-1245332
http://www.unz.com/ishamir/from-the-airliner-to-the-bomber/#comment-1246059

Now, following your logic, are we to assume that all Israelis subscribe to that nonsensical position and that all Jews worldwide believe as Netanyahu stated on American TV? I would bet that even Netanyahu doesn't believe that BS he was spouting. After all, most of the many Jews I have known in my lifetime don't even believe the childish nonsense (as Albert Einstein put it) in the Book of Exodus about Moses parting the Red Sea (with Yahweh's help, of course).

Where it is quite true that on planet earth, this law of physics applies to bodies in free fall, regardless of their weight.....the law seems to breakdown with much more massive bodies in space.

lets assume two bodies in space were traveling toward earth at a relative equal speed..one was the size of a small asteroid ( 50 feet across) the other nearly the size of earth itself...

At a certain point the much more massive body would accelerate faster toward earth than the asteroid..

The reason being its own gravitational force would act as a multiplier to Earths.....Drawing the two bodies together at a much faster rate.

Wrong.
The two bodies in space (or anywhere else) would accelerate at the same rate because the same gravitational force (pull) is being applied equally to both. Which is in accordance with the law of physics which states that any two (or more) bodies subjected to the same gravitational force, will if released at the same time, will arrive at the same point at the same time. Conforming with my earlier comment explaining to why a cannon ball weighing 9 lbs. will reach the ground at the same time as a musket ball weighing only a few ounces. That is if each are released at the exact same time. If one ball is released before the other, the one released first will reach the ground first, with the 2nd ball reaching the ground at a time equal to the difference in time between their release.
It is believed (and could very well be true) that Sir Isaac Newton proved this basic law of physics by dropping objects of different weight (mass) from the Leaning Tower Of Pisa which still stands in Italy. According to his comments regarding the experiments, he was as surprised as his assistance and acquaintances at the results he found. Because up to that time, (1680s)everyone assumed (and unfortunately most still do) that a heavier body naturally falls faster than a lighter one. Which explains why most people who observe the 3 buildings falling at free-fall acceleration (proved by how long it took for them to reach the ground) do not understand that this could not have possibly occurred unless the supporting structure below each floor had been present to offer resistance to downward movement and acceleration. Proving beyond doubt that precisely timed demolition charges were removing supporting structure under each floor prevent the floor above it from experiencing any resistance to downward motion. Which this sequence continuing until the upper-most floor of the building dropped to the ground at the exact same time it would have hit the ground if dropped from a helicopter hovering at the same height of the top of the building. Or, as mentioned earlier, the upper-most portion of the building hit the ground at the same time a bowling ball dropped from the same height.

Correct except that it wasn't Newton but Galileo and that it was a thought experiment. However, Newtonian Physics makes clear that, barring air resistance, which would not be a significant factor in this case, gravitational acceleration is not dependent on the mass of the body. But it is acceleration not velocity. Nonetheless, it is difficult to believe that WTC7 could have collapsed almost symmetrically at almost free fall acceleration from the failure of a single column. As I recall this happened because, according to NIST, a single beam expanded from heat and slipped off its footing. If this indeed were to be likely, one would have to worry about the safety of all buildings designed in that way. A single point of complete failure like this would be a flagrantly bad piece of engineering design but no-one has ever been blamed for it. The likelihood of such an event triggering a nearly symmetrical simultaneous collapse in a building is vanishingly small. As others have pointed out, it is much more likely that controlled demolition was responsible, but this, again according to my imperfect memory of the report, was not investigated by NIST.

Just finished viewing an extraordinary video that I thought others might be interested in. It is an interview (starting at 11:47) of a long-serving British parliamentarian, Gerald Kaufman by another British parliamentarian, George Galloway.

Even though Mr. Kaufman’s relatives were murdered in the holocaust and he grew up an ardent supporter of the state of Israel, he is now calling for international sanctions against a regime that he has no hesitation admitting is even worse than the apartheid regime in SA.

Here’s my favourite line from the interview:

“My grandmother did not die to provide Israelis cover to murder Palestinian grandmothers.”

I know Sam said he would be checking in on occasion. Sam, here is another sterling example of a true humanitarian. This man contradicts everything the old timers warned you about people being tribal. As this interview clearly demonstrates, there is not a single tribal bone in this man’s body.

"Even though Mr. Kaufman's relatives were murdered in the holocaust and he grew up an ardent supporter of the state of Israel, he is now calling for international sanctions against a regime that he has no hesitation admitting is even worse than the apartheid regime in SA."

And Kaufman himself: "My grandmother did not die to provide Israelis cover to murder Palestinian grandmothers."

Kaufman's a man of moral clarity, a man of simple decency. He recognizes Israel and its degenerate leader NuttyYahoo for what they are: Zionist depravity.

“There is a chance you may have misinterpreted my comment to” schmenz .”
In the event that is the case….what can I say ?
Maybe we will have better luck next time.”

No, Alexander, I definitely did not misinterpret your comment. In fact, I quoted the first line in that comment, which mistakenly and erroneously criticized the “Maverick” allusion as having nothing to do with the “5 dancing Israelis” happily observing the collapse of the Twin Towers, as I clearly pointed out in my response. The error was clearly and solely on your part, not mine. Normally, I would express a little surprise that you failed to acknowledge your error and issue an apology, but I have to realize that such normal behavior is not in the playbook devised by Wizard of Ooze for his followers to obey. Rather, the standard operating procedure appears to be not to acknowledge error even when caught in the most blatant mistake but to make vague allusions (such as your instant message) to the fact that the error lies with the accuser. Muddy the water, above all, right, Alexander?

BTW here is the full text of your message invoking “Maverick” to which I responded:

Is there any specific causal link with “Maverick” and the five dancing Israeli’s ?

Like maybe they were watching a “rerun” back at the shop that morning before they were instructed to go out and film the towers being struck ?

And if so, I wonder which episode ?

Maybe they were dancing,laughing and high-five-ing….not in jubilation over the airliner hitting its mark, but a sequence of “Maverick” they thought was really funny ?

According to Mr Oz, the near infinite legal and moral possibilities for such Jubilant behavior at the time of the attack, could not” reasonably ” exclude such an episode , as being, in fact , the true catalyst for their “jubilation”.

In light of your message’s complete obsession with the “dancing Israelis,” it’s kind of hard to argue that I was off the mark in interpreting your message having something to do with “dancing Israelis,” isn’t it, especially when I quoted your first line invoking the “dancing Israelis”? And my pointing out that my original message had nothing to do with “dancing Israelis” just underscored what a completely ignorant asshole you are, didn’t it, Alexander?

BTW I see you obsequiously invoked Wizard of Ooze’s name, which must be specified as SOP in the Wizard of Ooze’s playbook. Let me tell you something about Wizard of Ooze. When I first started posting on a regular basis on unz.com back in July, I responded innocently to a post Wizard of Ooze made to Steve Sailer, thinking he was a serious poster, in which he observed that he had just seen a documentary dealing with the Vietnam War and he was puzzled by the reference to a “20-year war.” Trying to be helpful, I suggested a possible answer was that they were dating the war from the time President Eisenhower first sent a handful of advisers there in +1955. I was struck by Wizard of Ooze’s response. He said he had thought of that, but he added some other mumbo-jumbo. On reading his response, I thought to myself of course you had thought of it and that was why you made absolutely no mention of that possibility in your original message. Rather than admit he hasn’t thought of that obvious solution to the problem he cited, he dug in his heels and insisted that he had thought of that himself. See my observation above about never admitting error. From that point, I sort of wrote off Wizard of Ooze and concluded that the other posters, who were obviously much more familiar with the Wizard than I was, were right when they referred to him as a pro-Israel troll.

Subsequently, I posted a message raising about five points re the ancient Jews, notably that the Jews had not started out as monotheists but as monolatrists. http://www.unz.com/jpetras/the-doctrine-of-superior-people-the-bond-between-israel-and-world-zionism/#comment-1120856 Out of the blue, I was attacked on one point by the poster known as “Deduction,” who labeled my post as the most ignorant post he had encountered on the internet and thus revealed the truly deep depths of his own ignorance. Well, I responded to Deduction and literally raked him over the coals, tearing him three new assholes, demonstrating what a truly blithering idiot he was. Well, again out of the blue, who comes to Deduction’s defense but one Wizard of Ooze, who conceded that Deduction’s response was “over the top,” but taking an unmerited and unsubstantiated cheap shot at me, utterly without a hint of what misstatements I had made. The hilarious thing was that Wizard of Ooze conceded that it was obvious that Deduction was an English Jew, which clearly indicated to me that Wizard was fully familiar with Deduction and knew he was Jewish (“While he is clearly Jewish as well as English, and makes no attempt that I can see to dissemble”). Two days later, apparently concerned that he had inadvertently admitted he knew Deduction and could speak authoritatively about Deduction’s religion, Wizard of Ooze meekly asked of Deduction “I presume you are Jewish as well as English, n’est-ce pas? ”
It takes a big league ignoramus to make a conclusive statement and then indicate that he was not certain of what he was stating. And to demonstrate so conclusively what utter nonsense he was spouting, which seems to be a well-honed specialty of Wizard of Ooze.

In conclusion, I can only say that I am less than impressed by you and your collaborators on this site. Geniuses you clearly aren’t, even though you all seem to think you are.

Your argument that two bodies in space regardless of their mass and size will fall at the same rate towards each other is incorrect. the laws of gravity are correct but your argument is not.

What Sir Isaac Newton witnessed was relative to earths gravitational pull which is constant …because the relative gravitational pull of any object he dropped whether its weight is one ounce or 50 lbs is virtually non existent relative to the earths ….likewise with the free fall speed of the twin towers…same rate relative to the earth.

But in space two earth size bodies with equal mass would attract to each other at a much faster rate than an earth size body and a small asteroid.

two equal gravitational pulls acting towards each would accelerate the rate at which they collide.

How do I explain it …..lets say you are an astronaut in space…with a long tether tied to a small rock at the end…you are able to pull that rock toward you at a rate of 2 feet per second …if the rock is 20 feet away it will take ten seconds to reach you …correct ?

Now imagine, not a rock ,but another astronaut at the end of the tether who is able to pull the tether at the same rate as you, 2 feet per second…each ones ability to pull, 2 feet per second ,will result in a collision in half the time,five seconds…not ten.

therefore the speed at which they are drawn to each other is 4 feet per second not two.

The exact same principle is true for large bodies in space with equal gravitational pull…the gravitational pull of each is constant…which is the law…but the speed at which they are drawn to each other is a multiplied by both gravitational pulls….this is an absolute fact, Carroll….and it has no bearing on the collapse of the twin towers or its rate of speed.

There is only one way it would…If , lets say . the top floor of the twin towers had an equal mass and gravitational pull as the earth itself…then the top floor of the twin towers would actually pull the earth at the same rate the earth would pull the twin towers resulting in a collision in half the time.

Alexander, I find it highly amusing that you would complain about the "Maverick" posts being "off topic," but you shamelessly introduce into the discussion a scientific matter, which your own post concedes could have no possible relevance to the collapse of the Twin Towers on 9/11.

Here is what you just said in your message:

"Your argument that two bodies in space regardless of their mass and size will fall at the same rate towards each other is incorrect. the laws of gravity are correct but your argument is not.

What Sir Isaac Newton witnessed was relative to earths gravitational pull which is constant …because the relative gravitational pull of any object he dropped whether its weight is one ounce or 50 lbs is virtually non existent relative to the earths ….likewise with the free fall speed of the twin towers…same rate relative to the earth.

But in space two earth size bodies with equal mass would attract to each other at a much faster rate than an earth size body and a small asteroid."

But then you add at the end of the very same message:

"The exact same principle is true for large bodies in space with equal gravitational pull…the gravitational pull of each is constant…which is the law…but the speed at which they are drawn to each other is a multiplied by both gravitational pulls….this is an absolute fact, Carroll….and it has no bearing on the collapse of the twin towers or its rate of speed.

There is only one way it would…If , lets say . the top floor of the twin towers had an equal mass and gravitational pull as the earth itself…then the top floor of the twin towers would actually pull the earth at the same rate the earth would pull the twin towers resulting in a collision in half the time."

You go out of your way to inject a rather esoteric principle that you concede only applies in outer space between large objects of relatively equal size but concede that the principle does not apply to objects, such as the World Trade Center Towers, on Planet Earth. I'm left scratching my head about your purpose in introducing into the discussion a somewhat sophisticated concept of physics which you openly admit has no role in explaining the pattern of the collapse of the Twin Towers. After all, there were called the "World Trade Center Towers," not the "Outer World Trade Center Towers." As tall as they were, the Towers did not extend into outer space, and their collapse were subject to Sir Isaac Newton's laws of physics. Then I realized you are one of Wizard of Ooze's "trolls," and you are simply doing what trolls do.

"There is a chance you may have misinterpreted my comment to” schmenz .”
In the event that is the case….what can I say ?
Maybe we will have better luck next time."

No, Alexander, I definitely did not misinterpret your comment. In fact, I quoted the first line in that comment, which mistakenly and erroneously criticized the "Maverick" allusion as having nothing to do with the "5 dancing Israelis" happily observing the collapse of the Twin Towers, as I clearly pointed out in my response. The error was clearly and solely on your part, not mine. Normally, I would express a little surprise that you failed to acknowledge your error and issue an apology, but I have to realize that such normal behavior is not in the playbook devised by Wizard of Ooze for his followers to obey. Rather, the standard operating procedure appears to be not to acknowledge error even when caught in the most blatant mistake but to make vague allusions (such as your instant message) to the fact that the error lies with the accuser. Muddy the water, above all, right, Alexander?

BTW here is the full text of your message invoking "Maverick" to which I responded:

Is there any specific causal link with “Maverick” and the five dancing Israeli’s ?

Like maybe they were watching a “rerun” back at the shop that morning before they were instructed to go out and film the towers being struck ?

And if so, I wonder which episode ?

Maybe they were dancing,laughing and high-five-ing….not in jubilation over the airliner hitting its mark, but a sequence of “Maverick” they thought was really funny ?

According to Mr Oz, the near infinite legal and moral possibilities for such Jubilant behavior at the time of the attack, could not” reasonably ” exclude such an episode , as being, in fact , the true catalyst for their “jubilation”.

In light of your message's complete obsession with the "dancing Israelis," it's kind of hard to argue that I was off the mark in interpreting your message having something to do with "dancing Israelis," isn't it, especially when I quoted your first line invoking the "dancing Israelis"? And my pointing out that my original message had nothing to do with "dancing Israelis" just underscored what a completely ignorant asshole you are, didn't it, Alexander?

BTW I see you obsequiously invoked Wizard of Ooze's name, which must be specified as SOP in the Wizard of Ooze's playbook. Let me tell you something about Wizard of Ooze. When I first started posting on a regular basis on unz.com back in July, I responded innocently to a post Wizard of Ooze made to Steve Sailer, thinking he was a serious poster, in which he observed that he had just seen a documentary dealing with the Vietnam War and he was puzzled by the reference to a "20-year war." Trying to be helpful, I suggested a possible answer was that they were dating the war from the time President Eisenhower first sent a handful of advisers there in +1955. I was struck by Wizard of Ooze's response. He said he had thought of that, but he added some other mumbo-jumbo. On reading his response, I thought to myself of course you had thought of it and that was why you made absolutely no mention of that possibility in your original message. Rather than admit he hasn't thought of that obvious solution to the problem he cited, he dug in his heels and insisted that he had thought of that himself. See my observation above about never admitting error. From that point, I sort of wrote off Wizard of Ooze and concluded that the other posters, who were obviously much more familiar with the Wizard than I was, were right when they referred to him as a pro-Israel troll.

Subsequently, I posted a message raising about five points re the ancient Jews, notably that the Jews had not started out as monotheists but as monolatrists. http://www.unz.com/jpetras/the-doctrine-of-superior-people-the-bond-between-israel-and-world-zionism/#comment-1120856 Out of the blue, I was attacked on one point by the poster known as "Deduction," who labeled my post as the most ignorant post he had encountered on the internet and thus revealed the truly deep depths of his own ignorance. Well, I responded to Deduction and literally raked him over the coals, tearing him three new assholes, demonstrating what a truly blithering idiot he was. Well, again out of the blue, who comes to Deduction's defense but one Wizard of Ooze, who conceded that Deduction's response was "over the top," but taking an unmerited and unsubstantiated cheap shot at me, utterly without a hint of what misstatements I had made. The hilarious thing was that Wizard of Ooze conceded that it was obvious that Deduction was an English Jew, which clearly indicated to me that Wizard was fully familiar with Deduction and knew he was Jewish ("While he is clearly Jewish as well as English, and makes no attempt that I can see to dissemble"). Two days later, apparently concerned that he had inadvertently admitted he knew Deduction and could speak authoritatively about Deduction's religion, Wizard of Ooze meekly asked of Deduction "I presume you are Jewish as well as English, n’est-ce pas? "
It takes a big league ignoramus to make a conclusive statement and then indicate that he was not certain of what he was stating. And to demonstrate so conclusively what utter nonsense he was spouting, which seems to be a well-honed specialty of Wizard of Ooze.

In conclusion, I can only say that I am less than impressed by you and your collaborators on this site. Geniuses you clearly aren't, even though you all seem to think you are.

Dear Tbraton,

Wow …that was a long winded diatribe…..

It is still pretty clear to me , on the basis of what you wrote, that you may have misinterpreted my comment……

But since I don’t have a monopoly on its interpretation, you are certainly entitled to read into it what you choose to…

But i would hesitate to blame me for your interpretation, unless you are sure its what I intended.

"It is still pretty clear to me , on the basis of what you wrote, that you may have misinterpreted my comment……

But since I don’t have a monopoly on its interpretation, you are certainly entitled to read into it what you choose to…

But i would hesitate to blame me for your interpretation, unless you are sure its what I intended.

Since it looks to me like you still didn’t get it.."

Gee, Alexander, you continue to throw out your vague allusions that I am at fault for misinterpreting your comment, confirming what I pointed out in my prior message. Why don't you show your intellectual heft by explaining exactly where my analysis is wrong? Surely, a man of your brilliant intelligence can do that, can't he, Alexander? So, are you still insisting that your original message #197 did not falsely claim that my allusion to Maverick was somehow connected to the "5 dancing Israelis"? BTW my original message with the "Maverick" reference was message #156. Find any reference there to the "5 dancing Israelis" and repost that reference, lest we conclude that you are a blithering old fool who likes to lie a lot. I notice your skills of argumentation are on a par with those of Deduction (a completely ignorant dunce who somehow thinks it's OK to invent English translations of the Torah to suit his taste) and very similar to those champion black women debaters from Towson U. that Sailer posted a few months back. Where does Wizard of Ooze dig up you brainless clowns?

BTW what did you think about Wizard of Ooze confidently assuring me that Deduction was an "English Jew," and then two days later meekly asking Deduction "you are English and Jewish, aren't you?" A real genius, that man.

It is still pretty clear to me , on the basis of what you wrote, that you may have misinterpreted my comment......

But since I don't have a monopoly on its interpretation, you are certainly entitled to read into it what you choose to...

But i would hesitate to blame me for your interpretation, unless you are sure its what I intended.

Since it looks to me like you still didn't get it..

What can I say ?

“It is still pretty clear to me , on the basis of what you wrote, that you may have misinterpreted my comment……

But since I don’t have a monopoly on its interpretation, you are certainly entitled to read into it what you choose to…

But i would hesitate to blame me for your interpretation, unless you are sure its what I intended.

Since it looks to me like you still didn’t get it..”

Gee, Alexander, you continue to throw out your vague allusions that I am at fault for misinterpreting your comment, confirming what I pointed out in my prior message. Why don’t you show your intellectual heft by explaining exactly where my analysis is wrong? Surely, a man of your brilliant intelligence can do that, can’t he, Alexander? So, are you still insisting that your original message #197 did not falsely claim that my allusion to Maverick was somehow connected to the “5 dancing Israelis”? BTW my original message with the “Maverick” reference was message #156. Find any reference there to the “5 dancing Israelis” and repost that reference, lest we conclude that you are a blithering old fool who likes to lie a lot. I notice your skills of argumentation are on a par with those of Deduction (a completely ignorant dunce who somehow thinks it’s OK to invent English translations of the Torah to suit his taste) and very similar to those champion black women debaters from Towson U. that Sailer posted a few months back. Where does Wizard of Ooze dig up you brainless clowns?

BTW what did you think about Wizard of Ooze confidently assuring me that Deduction was an “English Jew,” and then two days later meekly asking Deduction “you are English and Jewish, aren’t you?” A real genius, that man.

If you're too stupid to figure out what these two videos prove, then explaining it to you will probably be a waste of my time. But I'll give it a shot.
Since Flight 93 was shot down as Dick Cheney unambiguously admits, it proves the official version of what brought Flight 93 down is a total lie fabricated by phychos like Cheney void of any soul or conscious. With a significant portion of that lie being the cock-and-bull, Let's Roll narrative which was obviously produced in a studio containing appropriate sound effects..

As to Bush stating, as he unambiguously did, that he watched the 1st plane fly into the 1st Twin Tower on commercial TV, while waiting inside the entrance lobby of the school in Florida before presenting his Pet Goat reading lesson to the kids inside the school, would have been impossible since that particular video did not surface until the following day and was not shown on commercial TV until the afternoon of the following day. Which proves, beyond doubt that in addition to being a bumbling idiot who himself cannot read a simple sentence, George Bush is either a consummate cold-hearted liar, or he really did watch the 1st plane hit the 1st Tower, doing so on a Secret Service provided closed-circuit TV connection inside a limo or highly secure presidential command post set up there in one of the school's parking lots.
It is a very significant statistic that about 85% of people living in countries other than the US are fully aware that 9/11 was a false-flag attack. No doubt about it. While about 40% of Americans share that same conviction. Which proves two significant thing; What passes in this country for "news" is 99% pure propaganda being produced and broadcast on a 24/7 basis by the Zionist owned news media. With the other significant proof being that America is grossly over-populated with complete idiots like you who do not have the mental capacity to escape a shower of shit, or figure your way out of open paper sack.

Mr.Priceless wrote:

Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld admit Flight 93 was shot down.

George Bush says he saw plane hit 1st trade center 24 hours before clip was released to public.

In the 1st video, Cheney says that he gave the order, not whether the order was actually carried out. But that is neither here nor there. Whether they did or didn’t shoot the plane down (and please remember all the complaints that NORAD was busy with some sort of drill and therefore NOT able to shoot down the 2 planes that hit the towers), or even whether they stuck with a hero myth about the plane crash, has no bearing on the question of who, or how, or who knew, etc., the main event…WTC.

The 2nd video shows a GW Bush Q&A. You’re trying to make a big deal of it because he said, “…I saw a plane hit…” SO WHAT. That’s how people talk. This is just short for “I saw that a plane hit” or “I saw that a plane had hit” because what he obviously saw on TV was the smoking building, and he may even have heard the New Yorker who said that they saw the plane hit, or just the news commentators who were all talking about a plane hitting.

You used typical internet behavior: someone disagrees with you, call them too stupid for words. Actually, I’m happy that the Truthers won’t let this go, but these videos prove nothing, and citing them as ‘evidence’ detracts from and discredits serious investigation.

I realize you've boxed into a corner and there's no way out But attempting to escape by resorting to utterly ridiculous statements having not a shred of credibility, strikes me as pathetic behavior. As to my comments and video relating to the shoot-down of Flight 93, Dick Cheney plainly stated that he gave the order after receiving George Bush’s permission to do so. However, the validity of his statement that George Bush had given prior approval for the shoot-down appears highly unlikely to have occurred. As far as George Bush’s statement about seeing the 1st plane hit the 1st building, he plainly stated (while talking to a group a few months later) that that he saw the 1st plane hit the building on a commercial TV set while waiting in entrance lobby of the school to present the kids with a reading lesson. If you go back and re-read my post, you will see that I plainly stated that by making this claim, he was either a consummate liar (which everyone knows he is) or that he actually did watch the plane hit the building on a closed circuit TV link that would have been provided by his Secret Service escort. Which if he watch it on closed circuit TV is not at all far-fetched since the Secret Service always provides presidents with real-time, up-to-the second news and information that’s remotely related to national security. Also, as to Flight 93 being shot down, Donald Rumsfeld who was in charge at the Pentagon on the morning of 9/11 also once slipped-up and blurted-out that the plane had been shot down.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNuosBnlw5s&feature=player_embedded

Your argument that two bodies in space regardless of their mass and size will fall at the same rate towards each other is incorrect. the laws of gravity are correct but your argument is not.

What Sir Isaac Newton witnessed was relative to earths gravitational pull which is constant ...because the relative gravitational pull of any object he dropped whether its weight is one ounce or 50 lbs is virtually non existent relative to the earths ....likewise with the free fall speed of the twin towers...same rate relative to the earth.

But in space two earth size bodies with equal mass would attract to each other at a much faster rate than an earth size body and a small asteroid.

two equal gravitational pulls acting towards each would accelerate the rate at which they collide.

How do I explain it .....lets say you are an astronaut in space...with a long tether tied to a small rock at the end...you are able to pull that rock toward you at a rate of 2 feet per second ...if the rock is 20 feet away it will take ten seconds to reach you ...correct ?

Now imagine, not a rock ,but another astronaut at the end of the tether who is able to pull the tether at the same rate as you, 2 feet per second...each ones ability to pull, 2 feet per second ,will result in a collision in half the time,five seconds...not ten.

therefore the speed at which they are drawn to each other is 4 feet per second not two.

The exact same principle is true for large bodies in space with equal gravitational pull...the gravitational pull of each is constant...which is the law...but the speed at which they are drawn to each other is a multiplied by both gravitational pulls....this is an absolute fact, Carroll....and it has no bearing on the collapse of the twin towers or its rate of speed.

There is only one way it would...If , lets say . the top floor of the twin towers had an equal mass and gravitational pull as the earth itself...then the top floor of the twin towers would actually pull the earth at the same rate the earth would pull the twin towers resulting in a collision in half the time.

Does that clear things up for you a bit ?

Alexander, I find it highly amusing that you would complain about the “Maverick” posts being “off topic,” but you shamelessly introduce into the discussion a scientific matter, which your own post concedes could have no possible relevance to the collapse of the Twin Towers on 9/11.

Here is what you just said in your message:

“Your argument that two bodies in space regardless of their mass and size will fall at the same rate towards each other is incorrect. the laws of gravity are correct but your argument is not.

What Sir Isaac Newton witnessed was relative to earths gravitational pull which is constant …because the relative gravitational pull of any object he dropped whether its weight is one ounce or 50 lbs is virtually non existent relative to the earths ….likewise with the free fall speed of the twin towers…same rate relative to the earth.

But in space two earth size bodies with equal mass would attract to each other at a much faster rate than an earth size body and a small asteroid.”

But then you add at the end of the very same message:

“The exact same principle is true for large bodies in space with equal gravitational pull…the gravitational pull of each is constant…which is the law…but the speed at which they are drawn to each other is a multiplied by both gravitational pulls….this is an absolute fact, Carroll….and it has no bearing on the collapse of the twin towers or its rate of speed.

There is only one way it would…If , lets say . the top floor of the twin towers had an equal mass and gravitational pull as the earth itself…then the top floor of the twin towers would actually pull the earth at the same rate the earth would pull the twin towers resulting in a collision in half the time.”

You go out of your way to inject a rather esoteric principle that you concede only applies in outer space between large objects of relatively equal size but concede that the principle does not apply to objects, such as the World Trade Center Towers, on Planet Earth. I’m left scratching my head about your purpose in introducing into the discussion a somewhat sophisticated concept of physics which you openly admit has no role in explaining the pattern of the collapse of the Twin Towers. After all, there were called the “World Trade Center Towers,” not the “Outer World Trade Center Towers.” As tall as they were, the Towers did not extend into outer space, and their collapse were subject to Sir Isaac Newton’s laws of physics. Then I realized you are one of Wizard of Ooze’s “trolls,” and you are simply doing what trolls do.

Since I never" complained "about the Maverick issue being 'off topic"...why would you find it amusing that I chose to address the "alleged "off topic issue of gravitational bodies in space relative to the rate of free fall of the twin towers and the rates of free fall in general ?

My point was not to undermine Carroll Prices argument about the free fall speed of the twin towers..Not at all.There was nothing to undermine.......My point was only to contribute to our general knowledge of gravity, ...by adding "an example" where two bodies in space would "indeed" travel at a faster rate towards each other...and why !

thinking that it was interesting and worth mentioning......because it" kinda" is.

You go out of your way to inject a rather esoteric principle that you concede only applies in outer space between large objects of relatively equal size but concede that the principle does not apply to objects, such as the World Trade Center Towers, on Planet Earth. I’m left scratching my head about your purpose in introducing into the discussion a somewhat sophisticated concept of physics which you openly admit has no role in explaining the pattern of the collapse of the Twin Towers. After all, there were called the “World Trade Center Towers,” not the “Outer World Trade Center Towers.” As tall as they were, the Towers did not extend into outer space, and their collapse were subject to Sir Isaac Newton’s laws of physics. Then I realized you are one of Wizard of Ooze’s “trolls,” and you are simply doing what trolls do.

It was the zionists through their various agents who pulled the 9-11 terrorist attacks.

I find the work of the brave US investigative jornalist Christopher Bollyn to be the best in demonstrating and carefully documenting the israeli/zionist connection to 9-11.
He has made his book freely available at http://www.bollyn.com/solving-9-11-the-book

Some very good points concerning zionist involvement in 9-11 are made by Dr. Alan Sabrosky, a Vietnam veteran, graduate of the U.S. Army War College, with teaching and research appointments having included the United States Military Academy & the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS).
Israel DID 9/11 (Israeli Mossad) / interview with Dr. Alan Sabrosky

The official 9-11 story is ridiculous and doesn’t have a leg to stand on.
It’s important to remember that even several of the high level 9-11 commissioners exhibited doubts as to the work of the commission. Here are some quotes:

9/11 Commission co-chair Lee Hamilton said “I don’t believe for a minute we got everything right”, that the Commission was set up to fail, that people should keep asking questions about 9/11, and that the 9/11 debate should continue ”

9/11 Commissioner Timothy Roemer said “We were extremely frustrated with the false statements we were getting”

9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland resigned from the Commission, stating: “It is a national scandal”; “This investigation is now compromised”; and “One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11 issue is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover it up”

9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey said that “There are ample reasons to suspect that there may be some alternative to what we outlined in our version . . . We didn’t have access . . . .” He also said that the investigation depended too heavily on the accounts of Al Qaeda detainees who were physically coerced into talking.

And the Senior Counsel to the 9/11 Commission (John Farmer) – who led the 9/11 staff’s inquiry – said “At some level of the government, at some point in time…there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened“. He also said “I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described …. The tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years…. This is not spin. This is not true.” And he said: “It’s almost a culture of concealment, for lack of a better word. There were interviews made at the FAA’s New York center the night of 9/11 and those tapes were destroyed. The CIA tapes of the interrogations were destroyed. The story of 9/11 itself, to put it mildly, was distorted and was completely different from the way things happened”

Through the excellent writings of Dr.Paul Craig Roberts, a former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy during the Reagan administration and former associate editor of the Wall Street Journal, I became aware of some of the best documentaries on 9-11.
For me, the best one is ‘September 11 – The New Pearl Harbor’, an extensive examination of many of the aspects of 9/11. It is particularly great bc it presents in detail the arguments of those who pretend to have debunked the ‘truthers’ and in turn demolishes them.
September 11 – The New Pearl Harbor

George Bush says he saw plane hit 1st trade center 24 hours before clip was released to public.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ItIH7NXWD8&feature=player_embedded

In the 1st video, Cheney says that he gave the order, not whether the order was actually carried out. But that is neither here nor there. Whether they did or didn't shoot the plane down (and please remember all the complaints that NORAD was busy with some sort of drill and therefore NOT able to shoot down the 2 planes that hit the towers), or even whether they stuck with a hero myth about the plane crash, has no bearing on the question of who, or how, or who knew, etc., the main event...WTC.

The 2nd video shows a GW Bush Q&A. You're trying to make a big deal of it because he said, "...I saw a plane hit..." SO WHAT. That's how people talk. This is just short for "I saw that a plane hit" or "I saw that a plane had hit" because what he obviously saw on TV was the smoking building, and he may even have heard the New Yorker who said that they saw the plane hit, or just the news commentators who were all talking about a plane hitting.

You used typical internet behavior: someone disagrees with you, call them too stupid for words. Actually, I'm happy that the Truthers won't let this go, but these videos prove nothing, and citing them as 'evidence' detracts from and discredits serious investigation.

I realize you’ve boxed into a corner and there’s no way out But attempting to escape by resorting to utterly ridiculous statements having not a shred of credibility, strikes me as pathetic behavior. As to my comments and video relating to the shoot-down of Flight 93, Dick Cheney plainly stated that he gave the order after receiving George Bush’s permission to do so. However, the validity of his statement that George Bush had given prior approval for the shoot-down appears highly unlikely to have occurred. As far as George Bush’s statement about seeing the 1st plane hit the 1st building, he plainly stated (while talking to a group a few months later) that that he saw the 1st plane hit the building on a commercial TV set while waiting in entrance lobby of the school to present the kids with a reading lesson. If you go back and re-read my post, you will see that I plainly stated that by making this claim, he was either a consummate liar (which everyone knows he is) or that he actually did watch the plane hit the building on a closed circuit TV link that would have been provided by his Secret Service escort. Which if he watch it on closed circuit TV is not at all far-fetched since the Secret Service always provides presidents with real-time, up-to-the second news and information that’s remotely related to national security. Also, as to Flight 93 being shot down, Donald Rumsfeld who was in charge at the Pentagon on the morning of 9/11 also once slipped-up and blurted-out that the plane had been shot down.

Cheney said he gave an order.
Maybe Flight 93 was shot down.
Maybe they lied about Flight 93 being shot down.
That does not tell you anything about who brought the twin towers down. Or how.

Bush said he saw "a plane hit".
At 8:50 AM, CNN showed video of smoking WTC.
By about 9am all TV stations showed smoking WTC, and the commentators had said that "a plane hit" the building.
You don't like Bush's phrasing.
You're sure you can convince some morons that this is 'proof' of secret video feed.

So, the videos you posted are only a pointless diversion from 911 truth,
You probably know this, but don't want to admit it.
TOO BAD YOU ARE MAKING A MOCKERY OF YOUR OWN CAUSE.

Yeah, the neo-Nazi conspiracy theory that “the Jews” did 9/11 when every single hijacker was an Arab Muslim. Mr. Giraldi, in every column, basically endorses bringing back concentration camps for Jews in so many words. He’d rather put every one of America’s problems on Jews than concentrate on the real enemies.

You have inadvertently reminded the readers about the Gaza Ghetto, the largest concentration camp controlled by Israel now. And who are these "real enemies" of the US? - ISIS, ISIL, Nusra, AlQaida? They actually are not: https://consortiumnews.com/2015/12/07/the-incredible-shrinking-president/ And why have none of these "real enemies" (the liver-eaters and head-choppers) never attacked Israel, Turkey, and Gulf monarchies? - Because they are the best and most needed friends of Israel, Turkey, and Gulf monarchies. The PNAC plans need these friends.

"The Obama administration early on decided to "not do stupid shit", like occupying countries such as Iraq. By itself, laudably prudent. Alas, one must not make the mistake of assuming, based on that, a lack for appetite for destruction intervention. Interventions would of course take place, the sly and smart 'soft power' way (neatly branded and twittered), and if force was needed, it would come through deputised local proxies, balanced from offshore 'led from behind' - in the case of Syria, through Turkey, the Gulfies, and to a lesser extent, Israel.
Taking on Syria was probably concocted in DC as an "assurance" to the Israelis and the Gulfie monarchs to help them over their hysteria over the Iran deal. Normalisation with Iran perhaps, but only if it is 'defanged' and it’s greater influence (handed to Iran by the destruction of Iraq by the hapless hands of the Bushmen) curtailed.
Israelis, Gulfies or Turks have made demands for US guarantees, quietly firmly in pursuit of their own goals: Turkish neo-ottoman irredentism or Erdogan's brand of Islamic pan-Turkism. With the Saudis and the Gulfies Wahhabi chauvinism and the goal of Sunni hegemony to the Mediterranean. With the Israelis it's about the Golan, and of course, about getting back at their nemesis Hezbollah. It's hard to not notice the impatience and independence shown by the Turks (especially in their attempts to draw the US into Syria) and the Saudis (their unannounced aggression against Yemen). These also indications that 'leading from behind' didn’t suffice to reassure these "special needs" proxies. It also calls into question the ability of the US to effectively exercise leadership over these trigger happy "allies."

which explains why ISIS is attacking Israel so ferociously, and targeting Jewish community centers, Jewish day schools, synagogues, and other uniquely-Jewish gathering places to carry out mass killings.

must be Jewish high-intelligence that clarifies the perfect logic of these situations.

Alexander, I find it highly amusing that you would complain about the "Maverick" posts being "off topic," but you shamelessly introduce into the discussion a scientific matter, which your own post concedes could have no possible relevance to the collapse of the Twin Towers on 9/11.

Here is what you just said in your message:

"Your argument that two bodies in space regardless of their mass and size will fall at the same rate towards each other is incorrect. the laws of gravity are correct but your argument is not.

What Sir Isaac Newton witnessed was relative to earths gravitational pull which is constant …because the relative gravitational pull of any object he dropped whether its weight is one ounce or 50 lbs is virtually non existent relative to the earths ….likewise with the free fall speed of the twin towers…same rate relative to the earth.

But in space two earth size bodies with equal mass would attract to each other at a much faster rate than an earth size body and a small asteroid."

But then you add at the end of the very same message:

"The exact same principle is true for large bodies in space with equal gravitational pull…the gravitational pull of each is constant…which is the law…but the speed at which they are drawn to each other is a multiplied by both gravitational pulls….this is an absolute fact, Carroll….and it has no bearing on the collapse of the twin towers or its rate of speed.

There is only one way it would…If , lets say . the top floor of the twin towers had an equal mass and gravitational pull as the earth itself…then the top floor of the twin towers would actually pull the earth at the same rate the earth would pull the twin towers resulting in a collision in half the time."

You go out of your way to inject a rather esoteric principle that you concede only applies in outer space between large objects of relatively equal size but concede that the principle does not apply to objects, such as the World Trade Center Towers, on Planet Earth. I'm left scratching my head about your purpose in introducing into the discussion a somewhat sophisticated concept of physics which you openly admit has no role in explaining the pattern of the collapse of the Twin Towers. After all, there were called the "World Trade Center Towers," not the "Outer World Trade Center Towers." As tall as they were, the Towers did not extend into outer space, and their collapse were subject to Sir Isaac Newton's laws of physics. Then I realized you are one of Wizard of Ooze's "trolls," and you are simply doing what trolls do.

Well tbraton,

Since I never” complained “about the Maverick issue being ‘off topic”…why would you find it amusing that I chose to address the “alleged “off topic issue of gravitational bodies in space relative to the rate of free fall of the twin towers and the rates of free fall in general ?

My point was not to undermine Carroll Prices argument about the free fall speed of the twin towers..Not at all.There was nothing to undermine…….My point was only to contribute to our general knowledge of gravity, …by adding “an example” where two bodies in space would “indeed” travel at a faster rate towards each other…and why !

thinking that it was interesting and worth mentioning……because it” kinda” is.

Well, "Alexander," this is what you stated in your first line of the post dealing with "Maverick":

"Is there any specific causal link with “Maverick” and the five dancing Israeli’s ?"

While you didn't use the term "off topic," that certainly appeared to be the gist of your observation, even though, as I have pointed out, my original reference to "Maverick" had something to do with the collapse of the Twin Towers but absolutely nothing to do with the "dancing Israelis." That didn't stop you from engaging in an extended comic riff invoking "Maverick," such as your highly improbable speculation that the "dancing Israelis" were laughing because they were recalling an old (40+ years old) episode of "Maverick." I would venture a guess that none of those five Israelis who were observed celebrating the fall of the WTC Tower probably couldn't tell one word about that old American TV series. What I find amusing, Alexander, is that you and your leader Wizard of Ooze recognize the damage of having five Israelis caught on camera wildly celebrating the collapse of an iconic American landmark. That certainly was not the reaction of just about every American and most foreigners who had any sense of humanity. That was some pretty despicable conduct by citizens of a country that purports to be America's "closest and most important ally," don't you think? BTW can you name one war in modern Israel's 67-year history where Israelis fought in foxholes next to American soldiers, because I can't recollect even one?

As far as your invocation of physical laws in outer space, I have one question. What possible relevance does that have to the collapse of the WTC Towers, which were located in Manhattan and not outer space? Why invoke totally irrelevant information that has, by your own admission, absolutely no relevance to the topic being discussed? Are you even capable of giving a straight answer to straight questions, troll?

The official 9-11 story is ridiculous and doesn't have a leg to stand on.
It's important to remember that even several of the high level 9-11 commissioners exhibited doubts as to the work of the commission. Here are some quotes:

9/11 Commission co-chair Lee Hamilton said “I don’t believe for a minute we got everything right”, that the Commission was set up to fail, that people should keep asking questions about 9/11, and that the 9/11 debate should continue ”

9/11 Commissioner Timothy Roemer said “We were extremely frustrated with the false statements we were getting”

9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland resigned from the Commission, stating: “It is a national scandal”; “This investigation is now compromised”; and “One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11 issue is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover it up”

9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey said that “There are ample reasons to suspect that there may be some alternative to what we outlined in our version . . . We didn’t have access . . . .” He also said that the investigation depended too heavily on the accounts of Al Qaeda detainees who were physically coerced into talking.

And the Senior Counsel to the 9/11 Commission (John Farmer) – who led the 9/11 staff’s inquiry – said “At some level of the government, at some point in time…there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened“. He also said “I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described …. The tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years…. This is not spin. This is not true.” And he said: “It’s almost a culture of concealment, for lack of a better word. There were interviews made at the FAA’s New York center the night of 9/11 and those tapes were destroyed. The CIA tapes of the interrogations were destroyed. The story of 9/11 itself, to put it mildly, was distorted and was completely different from the way things happened”

So the Muslim murderer hated Jews, killed dozens of all types, and that's the Jew's fault, not the Muslim's? Just making sure your illness is really that severe.

which explains why ISIS is attacking Israel so ferociously, and targeting Jewish community centers, Jewish day schools, synagogues, and other uniquely-Jewish gathering places to carry out mass killings.

must be Jewish high-intelligence that clarifies the perfect logic of these situations.

Since I never" complained "about the Maverick issue being 'off topic"...why would you find it amusing that I chose to address the "alleged "off topic issue of gravitational bodies in space relative to the rate of free fall of the twin towers and the rates of free fall in general ?

My point was not to undermine Carroll Prices argument about the free fall speed of the twin towers..Not at all.There was nothing to undermine.......My point was only to contribute to our general knowledge of gravity, ...by adding "an example" where two bodies in space would "indeed" travel at a faster rate towards each other...and why !

thinking that it was interesting and worth mentioning......because it" kinda" is.

Well, “Alexander,” this is what you stated in your first line of the post dealing with “Maverick”:

“Is there any specific causal link with “Maverick” and the five dancing Israeli’s ?”

While you didn’t use the term “off topic,” that certainly appeared to be the gist of your observation, even though, as I have pointed out, my original reference to “Maverick” had something to do with the collapse of the Twin Towers but absolutely nothing to do with the “dancing Israelis.” That didn’t stop you from engaging in an extended comic riff invoking “Maverick,” such as your highly improbable speculation that the “dancing Israelis” were laughing because they were recalling an old (40+ years old) episode of “Maverick.” I would venture a guess that none of those five Israelis who were observed celebrating the fall of the WTC Tower probably couldn’t tell one word about that old American TV series. What I find amusing, Alexander, is that you and your leader Wizard of Ooze recognize the damage of having five Israelis caught on camera wildly celebrating the collapse of an iconic American landmark. That certainly was not the reaction of just about every American and most foreigners who had any sense of humanity. That was some pretty despicable conduct by citizens of a country that purports to be America’s “closest and most important ally,” don’t you think? BTW can you name one war in modern Israel’s 67-year history where Israelis fought in foxholes next to American soldiers, because I can’t recollect even one?

As far as your invocation of physical laws in outer space, I have one question. What possible relevance does that have to the collapse of the WTC Towers, which were located in Manhattan and not outer space? Why invoke totally irrelevant information that has, by your own admission, absolutely no relevance to the topic being discussed? Are you even capable of giving a straight answer to straight questions, troll?

There are many things that simply transcend my intellect to understand. It is a non issue for me to say it….

When there is something that perhaps transcends your intellect to understand it…no matter how many times it is explained to you (as honestly and forthrightly as possible)…maybe you should just admit that fact also ?

because it is becoming abundantly clear to me…that this may be an instance where that is, indeed, the case.

There are many things that simply transcend my intellect to understand. It is a non issue for me to say it....

When there is something that perhaps transcends your intellect to understand it...no matter how many times it is explained to you (as honestly and forthrightly as possible)...maybe you should just admit that fact also ?

because it is becoming abundantly clear to me...that this may be an instance where that is, indeed, the case.

Yeah, the neo-Nazi conspiracy theory that "the Jews" did 9/11 when every single hijacker was an Arab Muslim. Mr. Giraldi, in every column, basically endorses bringing back concentration camps for Jews in so many words. He'd rather put every one of America's problems on Jews than concentrate on the real enemies.

You have inadvertently reminded the readers about the Gaza Ghetto, the largest concentration camp controlled by Israel now. And who are these “real enemies” of the US? – ISIS, ISIL, Nusra, AlQaida? They actually are not: https://consortiumnews.com/2015/12/07/the-incredible-shrinking-president/ And why have none of these “real enemies” (the liver-eaters and head-choppers) never attacked Israel, Turkey, and Gulf monarchies? – Because they are the best and most needed friends of Israel, Turkey, and Gulf monarchies. The PNAC plans need these friends.

“The Obama administration early on decided to “not do stupid shit”, like occupying countries such as Iraq. By itself, laudably prudent. Alas, one must not make the mistake of assuming, based on that, a lack for appetite for destruction intervention. Interventions would of course take place, the sly and smart ‘soft power’ way (neatly branded and twittered), and if force was needed, it would come through deputised local proxies, balanced from offshore ‘led from behind’ – in the case of Syria, through Turkey, the Gulfies, and to a lesser extent, Israel.
Taking on Syria was probably concocted in DC as an “assurance” to the Israelis and the Gulfie monarchs to help them over their hysteria over the Iran deal. Normalisation with Iran perhaps, but only if it is ‘defanged’ and it’s greater influence (handed to Iran by the destruction of Iraq by the hapless hands of the Bushmen) curtailed.
Israelis, Gulfies or Turks have made demands for US guarantees, quietly firmly in pursuit of their own goals: Turkish neo-ottoman irredentism or Erdogan’s brand of Islamic pan-Turkism. With the Saudis and the Gulfies Wahhabi chauvinism and the goal of Sunni hegemony to the Mediterranean. With the Israelis it’s about the Golan, and of course, about getting back at their nemesis Hezbollah. It’s hard to not notice the impatience and independence shown by the Turks (especially in their attempts to draw the US into Syria) and the Saudis (their unannounced aggression against Yemen). These also indications that ‘leading from behind’ didn’t suffice to reassure these “special needs” proxies. It also calls into question the ability of the US to effectively exercise leadership over these trigger happy “allies.”

Just finished viewing an extraordinary video that I thought others might be interested in. It is an interview (starting at 11:47) of a long-serving British parliamentarian, Gerald Kaufman by another British parliamentarian, George Galloway.

Even though Mr. Kaufman's relatives were murdered in the holocaust and he grew up an ardent supporter of the state of Israel, he is now calling for international sanctions against a regime that he has no hesitation admitting is even worse than the apartheid regime in SA.

Here's my favourite line from the interview:

"My grandmother did not die to provide Israelis cover to murder Palestinian grandmothers."

I know Sam said he would be checking in on occasion. Sam, here is another sterling example of a true humanitarian. This man contradicts everything the old timers warned you about people being tribal. As this interview clearly demonstrates, there is not a single tribal bone in this man's body.

http://youtu.be/rkkxZDZZtJ0

“Even though Mr. Kaufman’s relatives were murdered in the holocaust and he grew up an ardent supporter of the state of Israel, he is now calling for international sanctions against a regime that he has no hesitation admitting is even worse than the apartheid regime in SA.”

And Kaufman himself: “My grandmother did not die to provide Israelis cover to murder Palestinian grandmothers.”

Kaufman’s a man of moral clarity, a man of simple decency. He recognizes Israel and its degenerate leader NuttyYahoo for what they are: Zionist depravity.

It would be an impossible task to compile a complete list, but just a couple of obsessions informed individuals have with Da Joos, is that Da Joos routinely spy-on and betray host countries in which they dwell as pest and parasites, are past-masters at hatching false-flag attacks leading to millions of innocent civilians being maimed and killed in foreign wars that are fought by Gentiles for the benefit of Da Jooish Banksters and the creation of a Greater Israel.
Any further questions?

‘Any further questions’

Yeah, a few. Are you 65+ years in age?

Do you really understand physics?

Since it is more than a bit suspicious when someone writes:

“……..was that the speed (actually rate of acceleration) remains the same for all falling objects regardless of their mass (weight)”

the fact that you could even carelessly equate speed with acceleration due to gravity, indicates that you are spouting what you probably read from some internet site yesterday, without understanding what you wrote.

The cookies sound like a great idea. But since no one else has done it, maybe I should spend a few of my retirement years perfecting the art of making soap out of Jewish fat. Breaking up the monotony by throwing in a couple of lamp shades every now and then.

"........was that the speed (actually rate of acceleration) remains the same for all falling objects regardless of their mass (weight)"

the fact that you could even carelessly equate speed with acceleration due to gravity, indicates that you are spouting what you probably read from some internet site yesterday, without understanding what you wrote.

Anyway, I think you might be better off baking some cookies or sum'n.

The cookies sound like a great idea. But since no one else has done it, maybe I should spend a few of my retirement years perfecting the art of making soap out of Jewish fat. Breaking up the monotony by throwing in a couple of lamp shades every now and then.

I hope a jew ghost from the nazi gas chambers hunts you down and murders you in your sleep along with anything that has been contaminated by your DNA (which is likely to be several Kleenexes and not much else).

Wait, since the Holocaust is a hoax, how can a comment about soap and lampshades be relevant? IT NEVER HAPPENED, REMEMBER?

I realize you've boxed into a corner and there's no way out But attempting to escape by resorting to utterly ridiculous statements having not a shred of credibility, strikes me as pathetic behavior. As to my comments and video relating to the shoot-down of Flight 93, Dick Cheney plainly stated that he gave the order after receiving George Bush’s permission to do so. However, the validity of his statement that George Bush had given prior approval for the shoot-down appears highly unlikely to have occurred. As far as George Bush’s statement about seeing the 1st plane hit the 1st building, he plainly stated (while talking to a group a few months later) that that he saw the 1st plane hit the building on a commercial TV set while waiting in entrance lobby of the school to present the kids with a reading lesson. If you go back and re-read my post, you will see that I plainly stated that by making this claim, he was either a consummate liar (which everyone knows he is) or that he actually did watch the plane hit the building on a closed circuit TV link that would have been provided by his Secret Service escort. Which if he watch it on closed circuit TV is not at all far-fetched since the Secret Service always provides presidents with real-time, up-to-the second news and information that’s remotely related to national security. Also, as to Flight 93 being shot down, Donald Rumsfeld who was in charge at the Pentagon on the morning of 9/11 also once slipped-up and blurted-out that the plane had been shot down.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNuosBnlw5s&feature=player_embedded

Dear Carroll,

I apologize for using complex sentences before.

Cheney said he gave an order.
Maybe Flight 93 was shot down.
Maybe they lied about Flight 93 being shot down.
That does not tell you anything about who brought the twin towers down. Or how.

Bush said he saw “a plane hit”.
At 8:50 AM, CNN showed video of smoking WTC.
By about 9am all TV stations showed smoking WTC, and the commentators had said that “a plane hit” the building.
You don’t like Bush’s phrasing.
You’re sure you can convince some morons that this is ‘proof’ of secret video feed.

So, the videos you posted are only a pointless diversion from 911 truth,
You probably know this, but don’t want to admit it.
TOO BAD YOU ARE MAKING A MOCKERY OF YOUR OWN CAUSE.

but then, let's examine the kind of mind that considers the quest for the truth as absurd, shall we?

first what to call them.. perhaps 'believer' is suitable

what the believers believe is that the BBC's and other news outlets reporting on building seven plopping into its basement before it did was just a coincidence! It's no different than the Isreali agents having their camera's set up to "document" the first plane hitting the tower.

serendipitous perhaps you nay say, but obviously nothing to worry about. And anyone who does is a crazy and likely dangerous whacko!

really, there's so many obvious, prima facia evidence that this whole thing was set up by men like Dov Zakheim and so many others that deliberating with these believers is pointless- unless to show them how blatantly asinine their defense of the official story actually is. So I'd just leave it at the advance reporting of the collapse of building seven, and say that there is unequivocally no way in this world or the next that those news sites made that call by accident that turned out to be a coincidence. To believe such a thing is to suspend all rational thought and logic and disregard video evidence of the glaringly obvious.

These believers are necessarily either monumentally stupid or calculatingly dishonest, and if the later, apologists for the worst betrayal I can think of in human history, since it has been Americans like the ones who were slaughtered on those planes and in those towers who have supported Israel with untold sacrifices of blood and treasure, only to have that gift returned by such an act of treachery and betrayal as to numb the very soul.

I'm sorry. I have to sigh and consider the weight of all of this from time to time. It is quite a burden to come to realize the things people do to each other and why. It taxes me. Perhaps it is better off sticking one's head in the sand..

Great comment. I’ve taken to using the term “coincidence theorist” to counter the dismissive conspiracy theorist label.

Thanks for posting the great video Colinjames. I started off at the 14 min mark to see the part about the dancing Israelis but after I watched that section, I ended up starting from the beginning and watched the whole thing. I thought it extremely well done. I liked that he went after the misinformation videos like that Loose Change garbage and all the other assorted con-men. I also liked that he used tons of evidence to support the video like his use of Sibel Edmonds, the courageous FBI whistleblower whom Mr. Giraldi has previously written about, whose story should be especially relevant and significant to people in lieu of all that is going on with Turkey nowadays. Thanks again and I'll be suggesting that video to others because it's hard to find docs that deal with such a serious matter in such a thorough way.

Right on glad you liked it. Ry is a heck of a researcher, just released a new doc, Empire Unmasked. His website is the Anti Neocon Report, plus a YouTube channel, Ry Dawson I believe. I’d link but I’m on my phone. The new doc is $25-I’ve yet to see it. It’s five hours though. And years in the making. Good on ya for sharing, that’s great.

The cookies sound like a great idea. But since no one else has done it, maybe I should spend a few of my retirement years perfecting the art of making soap out of Jewish fat. Breaking up the monotony by throwing in a couple of lamp shades every now and then.

wow!!
I think you sound like you really are capable of those acts in your basement!

phil
this story is the absolute holy grail of the 911 truth movement!
i have analyzed this thing up and down so much as reading the entire newark FBI field report about the jews being picked up.
you miss a very important part here. by far the most important thing found in the van were maps of new york city landmarks highlited in yellow. you just cant write that off!
this to me is the most damning connection of jew israelicomplicity in 911.
you also shockingly missed another very important thing that police bomb sniffing dogs positively identified bomb chemical residue in the van
another very important thing is the lone american working at urban movers broke down and cryed before 911 when one of the israel jews arrogantly said to him “give us 20 years and we’ll ruin your country!”
another inportant issue is the jews claimed they were just driving down the road in jersey, heard on the radio about the plane crashing into the WTC, and just happened to pull into a private parking lot with a perfect view of the towers, set up multiple videocameras on the roof, and then began to wildly celebrate like drunken teenagers when the FIRST plane hit when everybody else just thought it was a horrible aviation accident.
so, why would anybody in their right mind wildly celebrate about a plane accidentally crashing into a building unless they knew it wasn’t accidental.
theres only one reason; their mission had been accomplished
this all is to me is proof positive that these dancing jews were not just survielling the arabs but they were inextricably involved with them in their mission to attack the wtc and us real americans!

The dancing Jews you refer to were Mossad agents. This specific group, consisted of four individuals, who were members of a large group of fellow agents. With this particular group being assigned the job of "recording the event". While other members of the same group served as spies posing as art students. With a 3rd, more important group, serving as monitors and coaches to "air-line pilot students" destined to become to fly hi-jacked airliners into buildings on 9/11. With this later group of "Muslim terrorist" on the night proceeding 9/11, showing up intoxicated at titty bars and other unlikely places, uttering strange statements relating to suicide missions for Allah. Strange isn't it that with millions of titty bars scattered throughout the country that the presence and statements of this particular group of individuals would be observed and their statements recorded for the purpose of providing this specific information to the MSM so on the following day (9/11) their names and mug-shots could be identified and plastered on every TV screen in the world as the Muslim terrorist who had hi-jacked the four airliners that very morning.
Brain-dead Americans are the only people in the world who would even consider such obviously staged ruses and lies as anything other than what they were. Yet, a majority still do so.
Please read (or re-read) post #162 in which I explain the most logical method used to hijack the airliners on 9/11. With information contained in post #162 being based on detailed knowledge I have gained from programming computer controlled Process Control Systems for over 30 years.
While, at the same time, bearing in mind that FLIGHT CONTROLLERS installed in aircraft (including commercial airlines and fighter planes) perform the exact same functions as PROCESS CONTROL SYSTEMS used in virtually all modern industrial facilities. Where pre-programmed Process Control Systems are used to accurately read input signals from temperature monitors, pressures monitors, flow monitors, and other devices where these input signals are analyzed by the process controller for the purpose of generating output signals to control valves, heaters, switches, and other devices used to control temperatures, pressures, flows and various other parameters found in chemical plants, power plants, and virtually all modern industrial facilities producing consumer products of every description. While keeping in mind that corresponding inputs such as compass headings, air speed, altitude, aircraft position (as determined by GPS coordinates), and various other inputs are used by pre-programmed FLIGHT CONTROLLERs on the aircraft to produce output signals necessary to position tail rudders, wing foils, and other control surfaces used on aircraft to, with great accuracy, fly them to specific destina

phil
this story is the absolute holy grail of the 911 truth movement!
i have analyzed this thing up and down so much as reading the entire newark FBI field report about the jews being picked up.
you miss a very important part here. by far the most important thing found in the van were maps of new york city landmarks highlited in yellow. you just cant write that off!
this to me is the most damning connection of jew israelicomplicity in 911.
you also shockingly missed another very important thing that police bomb sniffing dogs positively identified bomb chemical residue in the van
another very important thing is the lone american working at urban movers broke down and cryed before 911 when one of the israel jews arrogantly said to him "give us 20 years and we'll ruin your country!"
another inportant issue is the jews claimed they were just driving down the road in jersey, heard on the radio about the plane crashing into the WTC, and just happened to pull into a private parking lot with a perfect view of the towers, set up multiple videocameras on the roof, and then began to wildly celebrate like drunken teenagers when the FIRST plane hit when everybody else just thought it was a horrible aviation accident.
so, why would anybody in their right mind wildly celebrate about a plane accidentally crashing into a building unless they knew it wasn't accidental.
theres only one reason; their mission had been accomplished
this all is to me is proof positive that these dancing jews were not just survielling the arabs but they were inextricably involved with them in their mission to attack the wtc and us real americans!

The dancing Jews you refer to were Mossad agents. This specific group, consisted of four individuals, who were members of a large group of fellow agents. With this particular group being assigned the job of “recording the event”. While other members of the same group served as spies posing as art students. With a 3rd, more important group, serving as monitors and coaches to “air-line pilot students” destined to become to fly hi-jacked airliners into buildings on 9/11. With this later group of “Muslim terrorist” on the night proceeding 9/11, showing up intoxicated at titty bars and other unlikely places, uttering strange statements relating to suicide missions for Allah. Strange isn’t it that with millions of titty bars scattered throughout the country that the presence and statements of this particular group of individuals would be observed and their statements recorded for the purpose of providing this specific information to the MSM so on the following day (9/11) their names and mug-shots could be identified and plastered on every TV screen in the world as the Muslim terrorist who had hi-jacked the four airliners that very morning.
Brain-dead Americans are the only people in the world who would even consider such obviously staged ruses and lies as anything other than what they were. Yet, a majority still do so.
Please read (or re-read) post #162 in which I explain the most logical method used to hijack the airliners on 9/11. With information contained in post #162 being based on detailed knowledge I have gained from programming computer controlled Process Control Systems for over 30 years.
While, at the same time, bearing in mind that FLIGHT CONTROLLERS installed in aircraft (including commercial airlines and fighter planes) perform the exact same functions as PROCESS CONTROL SYSTEMS used in virtually all modern industrial facilities. Where pre-programmed Process Control Systems are used to accurately read input signals from temperature monitors, pressures monitors, flow monitors, and other devices where these input signals are analyzed by the process controller for the purpose of generating output signals to control valves, heaters, switches, and other devices used to control temperatures, pressures, flows and various other parameters found in chemical plants, power plants, and virtually all modern industrial facilities producing consumer products of every description. While keeping in mind that corresponding inputs such as compass headings, air speed, altitude, aircraft position (as determined by GPS coordinates), and various other inputs are used by pre-programmed FLIGHT CONTROLLERs on the aircraft to produce output signals necessary to position tail rudders, wing foils, and other control surfaces used on aircraft to, with great accuracy, fly them to specific destina

In 2004 the five men sued the United States government for damages, alleging “that their detention was illegal and that their civil rights were violated, suffering racial slurs, physical violence, religious discrimination, rough interrogations, deprivation of sleep, and many other offenses.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chutzpah.

Phil is not delivering any new information (that Raimondo of Antiwar.com has not summarized long ago). Therefore, there is no scoop here on Dancing Shlomos. But it is important to set the record straight who was dancing in New York.

Also, this article with initiate now for the millionth time all the evidence and "evidence" about 911.

Let me kick it off with a statement that the planes could not have brought down even the twin towers let alone WTC building 7. That was termite, military grade.

They west- and their stooges turkey, UK, and the US, – is behind ISIS. Thats why the flow of money from their oil goes un-bombed mostly by the US.
Russia is bombing them like crazy. The motives behind the various powers becomes clear with the one unifying principle-

Israel hates Iran, Syria under Assad, and Russia

because
Hezbollah, a cats paw of Iran , actually beat the Israeli army and tossed them out of Lebanon in 2006

This makes Israeli furious that they are not regional hegemon . The flow of power flows from Hezbollah back to Iran and ultimately to Russia.
Syria under Assad is an enemy since 1967, and represents a secular threat and limitation to Israeli power,- also backed by Russia.

Israel is even directly helping ISIS fighters, treating them in Israeli hospitals, and releasing them back to combat- against who? Assad’s Syrian troops and Russia- thats who.

Russia has shown miles of oil convoys going back to Turkey to be sold.- US air assets mostly do nothing. Obama muttered something about those poor innocent truck drivers and not wanting to hurt no muzzies. What a Crock. McCain urged the US to back al-Nusra also known as al-Qaeda in Syria.

This recent nexus between al qaeda and the US for some strategic operation should ( but mostly does not in the US media anyway ) make more plausible that 911 was
carried out with knowledge of the US to make a pearl harbor so that we would all be in the same fox hole with Israel – essentially forever. Iraq, and Afghanistan followed and here we are- in this war of civilizations with the muzzies, cementing forever the nexus between US and Israeli interests.
(google Dancing Israeli’s)

This new cold war with Russia could really lead to world war III. These stories are all over the INTERNET, but nobody in the main stream US media will touch them. All US political figures can only make gestures toward Israel, -You know who is your master by who you are not allowed to criticize.

““[W]hen Ted Cruz, on the campaign trail in Iowa and again in an interview with Bloomberg News, recently pointed the finger at ‘neocons’ in an attempt to defend his own understanding of American interests abroad, the response among some conservative foreign-policy experts – many of whom the term has been used to disparage — was of shock, anger, and dismay. ‘He knows that the term in the usual far-left and far-right parlance means warmonger, if not warmongering Jewish advisers, so it is not something he should’ve done,’ says Elliott Abrams, a former Bush administration National Security Council official and a fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations. ‘It’s an epithet. It’s always used pejoratively. And the main thing I resent about it is, it’s a label, it’s a way of avoiding arguments,’ says Eliot Cohen, a Bush administration State Department official and a professor at Johns Hopkins University’s School of Advanced International Studies.”

Funny to see how the ignoramuses responded to my comment by reiterating the argument I refuted and by simple name-calling, without even grasping my point.

I’m going to try to make it even simpler, not for their benefit, but for the benefit of everyone else reading this thread, so they can understand just how stupid those people are.

Imagine a 3000-pound automobile dropped from a helicopter and accelerating according to gravity. The automobile, on its way down, at a time when it is traveling downwards at 100mph, falls on a guy in a hang glider who weighs 200 pounds counting the glider.

Is the system consisting of automobile-with-squashed-guy-underneath going to continue moving downward at something close to 100mph? Or is it going to start accelerating from a downward speed of 0?

Now go back and read my comment, and the replies which addressed me, and you will know what to think about the intelligence of those people.

Their misconception is that somehow, each time the stack of floors fell onto the next lower floor, it instantly came to a complete stop before the whole stack started moving again. The deceleration that occurred at the collision was due to conservation of momentum and so was less for each new pancaked floor–when the stack was 20 floors high, hitting the next floor reduced the speed by 5% but the mass continued accelerating; by the time the stack was 50 floors high, the next floor slowed it down by only 2%, and so on. By the time it all hit the ground, the speed would have been approximately the speed of something freely falling from the top of the building divided by the square root of two (half the total kinetic energy, because the original building as a whole had the gravitational potential energy corresponding to the height of its center of mass).

In 2004 the five men sued the United States government for damages, alleging “that their detention was illegal and that their civil rights were violated, suffering racial slurs, physical violence, religious discrimination, rough interrogations, deprivation of sleep, and many other offenses.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chutzpah.

Phil is not delivering any new information (that Raimondo of Antiwar.com has not summarized long ago). Therefore, there is no scoop here on Dancing Shlomos. But it is important to set the record straight who was dancing in New York.

Also, this article with initiate now for the millionth time all the evidence and "evidence" about 911.

Let me kick it off with a statement that the planes could not have brought down even the twin towers let alone WTC building 7. That was termite, military grade.

[…] For more information about the dancing Israelis, read former CIA officer Philip Giraldi’s essay “Deep States: A Threat to Democracy?” published in ANOTHER French False Flag? Bloody Tracks from Paris to San Bernardino. A shorter version of the essay may be read here. […]

Anybody that looks into the 9/11 attacks knows that Israeli hands were all over it. But the Israelis are "those of whom we do not speak of." No one dare say what they know to be true, that the 9/11 attacks were a Zionist operation start to finish; that the World Trade towers were blown up; that the war in Iraq was promoted by the same Zionist lobby: that the entire war on terror is a complete lie.

In George Orwell's 1984 the motto for the Ministry of Truth is "war is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength." I used to think...well... that is a fictional book and in real life you could never get people to believe anything so absurd. Wrong! The fact that the majority of people still believe the official narrative is a testament to the fact that you can get people to believe in far more ridiculous things than Orwell ever dreamed of.

In 2004 the five men sued the United States government for damages, alleging “that their detention was illegal and that their civil rights were violated, suffering racial slurs, physical violence, religious discrimination, rough interrogations, deprivation of sleep, and many other offenses.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chutzpah.

Phil is not delivering any new information (that Raimondo of Antiwar.com has not summarized long ago). Therefore, there is no scoop here on Dancing Shlomos. But it is important to set the record straight who was dancing in New York.

Also, this article with initiate now for the millionth time all the evidence and "evidence" about 911.

Let me kick it off with a statement that the planes could not have brought down even the twin towers let alone WTC building 7. That was termite, military grade.

It’s obvious you misspelled THERMITE and I completely agree with your assessment. The ass-holes who gleefully jumped on your spelling error are hasbara trolls.

The ass-holes who gleefully jumped on your spelling error are hasbara trolls.

No doubt. They, in typical fashion, are also showing their ignorance as well because termites, though they don't destroy concrete directly, or eat it, are capable of significantly damaging buildings made of concrete, brick, mortar and related materials, not that is a factor in 9/11.

It appears that one of the chief trolling tactics is to bring up silly and non significant issues as a way of distraction and to humiliate their opponents, and I do hope they keep it up. They probably will since it's doubtful that they know little restraint...

You are neglecting to wrap your brain around the jewish predilection to demonstrate their world famous, and extremely infuriating habit of 'chutzpah', Mr. Gross.

A case in point - and exhibit A for the prosecution: 'Lucky' Larry Silverstein. This arrogant and chutzpahetic slab of Satan's seed had the gall to take out insurance policies on the WTC towers just a few short months before the September 11, 2001 attacks and he specifically demanded that his insurance policies covered 'acts of terrorism'.

If we were living in a normal nation, one that had not been thoroughly corrupted, subverted, and poisoned by jewish influence and domination, anyone who took out insurance policies a few months before a huge terrorist attack on a building that they owned and insisted that the policies cover 'acts of terrorism' - would have generated enormous levels of suspicion and would have been grounds for an extensive insurance fraud investigation. Also, Silverstein was not merely content with receiving a single insurance payout - he had the gonads to demand that he be paid as if these three WTC towers were victims of separate acts of terrorism and the SOB actually pulled that scam off. Clearly, Silverstein had prior knowledge of the coming 9-11 attacks and he saw that as an opportunity to butt rape his insurance company. And, to make sure he was able to succeed in his insurance scam, he received a little help from Michael Bernard Mukasey, who was strategically positioned as Attorney General at the very time the Silverstein insurance dispute was working its way through the courts. Mukasey, if you haven't guessed, is also a Son of Israel. Tribal networking, Tribal thinking, Tribal cooperation - is the name of the game - and no race of people do it more effectively than the 'tribe'.

Thus, when these Israelis were trying to sue the US Government after appearing on that Israeli TV program and admitting that they were 'there to document the event' - it was just another example of the chutzpah that Israelis are famous for demonstrating. Not only did they engineer the biggest and most deadly act of terrorism against the USA in American history - but the arrogant SOBs even made every effort they could think up to find a way to profit off of it.

To confirm what you say about the Jewish predilection to demonstrate their world famous, and extremely infuriating habit of ‘chutzpah’, read the Old Testament. Who else beside Jews would have the nerve to brag and boast about the number of innocent people they kill? And hold annual feast celebrating the murders they carry out?

I second that. It's no wonder that fake Jews smear the work every chance they get. Too much truth there.

Isaiah[‘s] … relations with the senior m embers of the royal house, as described in the Bible, and the fact that he had free access to the palace, together with the complex linguistic style of his prophecies, suggest that he belonged to the Jerusalem aristocracy. This, though, did not prevent him from being an outspoken mouthpiece of the common people, who were being victimized by the rampant corruption of the ruling class:"What need have I of all your sacrifices? says the Lord... Put your evil doings away from my sight... Devote yourselves to justice;... Uphold the rights of the orphan; defend the cause of the widow"(1:11-17).

All I can conclude from the story is that a bunch of Israelis were happy that US will now get into a endless war with Muslims and that is good for Israel. That seems like a reasonably good guess. After 9/11, countries that have been destroyed one way or other include , Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Pakistan, Yemen and will eventually likely include Somalia, Ethiopia, Sudan, Nigeria, Egypt and many others.

Yes that is what we can conclude from the evidence, but it does live a lot of unanswered questions like how would they be there to document the attack?

One moral conclusion you can draw out of this is that Israel does not care about the US, Isrealis don’t care about hundreds dying, they celebrate it for what ever reason, so they should not be called allies but …. what’s that word for people that take pleasure in others sufferings?

Israel certainly seems to lack empathy for countries that aren't Israel. There's a laser focus on Israeli interests at the expense of everyone else. I think Western countries tend to expect reciprocal empathy and we still get surprised when it's not forthcoming from the Israelis.

OTOH they seem capable of forming pragmatic alliances, so the trick is making sure it's in Israel's interest to treat you well. They're not blinded by pathological altruism the way many Western leaders are, so they can ally with eg the Visegrad countries on an anti-Mulim-migrant line.

All I can conclude from the story is that a bunch of Israelis were happy that US will now get into a endless war with Muslims and that is good for Israel. That seems like a reasonably good guess. After 9/11, countries that have been destroyed one way or other include , Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Pakistan, Yemen and will eventually likely include Somalia, Ethiopia, Sudan, Nigeria, Egypt and many others.

That’s my impression. No one seems to have any evidence Mossad planned the attack, though it certainly seems possible they had prior awareness of it & didn’t pass on the intel to the US authorities.

Yes that is what we can conclude from the evidence, but it does live a lot of unanswered questions like how would they be there to document the attack?

One moral conclusion you can draw out of this is that Israel does not care about the US, Isrealis don't care about hundreds dying, they celebrate it for what ever reason, so they should not be called allies but .... what's that word for people that take pleasure in others sufferings?

Israel certainly seems to lack empathy for countries that aren’t Israel. There’s a laser focus on Israeli interests at the expense of everyone else. I think Western countries tend to expect reciprocal empathy and we still get surprised when it’s not forthcoming from the Israelis.

OTOH they seem capable of forming pragmatic alliances, so the trick is making sure it’s in Israel’s interest to treat you well. They’re not blinded by pathological altruism the way many Western leaders are, so they can ally with eg the Visegrad countries on an anti-Mulim-migrant line.

It's obvious you misspelled THERMITE and I completely agree with your assessment. The ass-holes who gleefully jumped on your spelling error are hasbara trolls.

The ass-holes who gleefully jumped on your spelling error are hasbara trolls.

No doubt. They, in typical fashion, are also showing their ignorance as well because termites, though they don’t destroy concrete directly, or eat it, are capable of significantly damaging buildings made of concrete, brick, mortar and related materials, not that is a factor in 9/11.

It appears that one of the chief trolling tactics is to bring up silly and non significant issues as a way of distraction and to humiliate their opponents, and I do hope they keep it up. They probably will since it’s doubtful that they know little restraint…

To confirm what you say about the Jewish predilection to demonstrate their world famous, and extremely infuriating habit of ‘chutzpah’, read the Old Testament. Who else beside Jews would have the nerve to brag and boast about the number of innocent people they kill? And hold annual feast celebrating the murders they carry out?

…read the Old Testament.

I second that. It’s no wonder that fake Jews smear the work every chance they get. Too much truth there.

Isaiah[‘s] … relations with the senior m embers of the royal house, as described in the Bible, and the fact that he had free access to the palace, together with the complex linguistic style of his prophecies, suggest that he belonged to the Jerusalem aristocracy. This, though, did not prevent him from being an outspoken mouthpiece of the common people, who were being victimized by the rampant corruption of the ruling class:“What need have I of all your sacrifices? says the Lord… Put your evil doings away from my sight… Devote yourselves to justice;… Uphold the rights of the orphan; defend the cause of the widow”(1:11-17).

That there were Israelis in this country that celebrated has been known for quite some time. There are also Mossad agents in this country, just we have agents in Israel. I firmly believe Mossad knew what was being planned and said nothing to us about it. Just as with the attack on the Liberty, the Israelis really aren't our friends, although they have been dependent upon us for aid and military equipment.

And, no, I don't think our foreign policy is owned by the Israelis or the Israel lobby. It has been in our interest to support them. We get drawn into certain conflicts because of the incompetency of so much of the foreign policy establishment. We've seen this off and on throughout my adult life. Carter, Clinton, and Obama have been pretty egregious on this count. Bush I gave us the first Iraq because of an idiot in one of our embassies and Saddam thought we were his friend because of our support during the Iran-Iraq war.

And, no, I don’t think our foreign policy is owned by the Israelis or the Israel lobby. It has been in our interest to support them.

“Our” interest?

What’s this “our” crapola? You talking to the dirt in your diapers or something?

Wrong.
The two bodies in space (or anywhere else) would accelerate at the same rate because the same gravitational force (pull) is being applied equally to both. Which is in accordance with the law of physics which states that any two (or more) bodies subjected to the same gravitational force, will if released at the same time, will arrive at the same point at the same time. Conforming with my earlier comment explaining to why a cannon ball weighing 9 lbs. will reach the ground at the same time as a musket ball weighing only a few ounces. That is if each are released at the exact same time. If one ball is released before the other, the one released first will reach the ground first, with the 2nd ball reaching the ground at a time equal to the difference in time between their release.
It is believed (and could very well be true) that Sir Isaac Newton proved this basic law of physics by dropping objects of different weight (mass) from the Leaning Tower Of Pisa which still stands in Italy. According to his comments regarding the experiments, he was as surprised as his assistance and acquaintances at the results he found. Because up to that time, (1680s)everyone assumed (and unfortunately most still do) that a heavier body naturally falls faster than a lighter one. Which explains why most people who observe the 3 buildings falling at free-fall acceleration (proved by how long it took for them to reach the ground) do not understand that this could not have possibly occurred unless the supporting structure below each floor had been present to offer resistance to downward movement and acceleration. Proving beyond doubt that precisely timed demolition charges were removing supporting structure under each floor prevent the floor above it from experiencing any resistance to downward motion. Which this sequence continuing until the upper-most floor of the building dropped to the ground at the exact same time it would have hit the ground if dropped from a helicopter hovering at the same height of the top of the building. Or, as mentioned earlier, the upper-most portion of the building hit the ground at the same time a bowling ball dropped from the same height.

Correct except that it wasn’t Newton but Galileo and that it was a thought experiment. However, Newtonian Physics makes clear that, barring air resistance, which would not be a significant factor in this case, gravitational acceleration is not dependent on the mass of the body. But it is acceleration not velocity. Nonetheless, it is difficult to believe that WTC7 could have collapsed almost symmetrically at almost free fall acceleration from the failure of a single column. As I recall this happened because, according to NIST, a single beam expanded from heat and slipped off its footing. If this indeed were to be likely, one would have to worry about the safety of all buildings designed in that way. A single point of complete failure like this would be a flagrantly bad piece of engineering design but no-one has ever been blamed for it. The likelihood of such an event triggering a nearly symmetrical simultaneous collapse in a building is vanishingly small. As others have pointed out, it is much more likely that controlled demolition was responsible, but this, again acco