Horses and Bayonets............. the difference between Obama and Romney..

It is a couple of minutes from the third debate which really IMHO shows the difference between these two guys.......

Romney goes for a nationalist point score, discussing reduced ships in the Navy and appeals to those whom think military strength is a numbers game,
whilst Obama explains the need for intelligent use of resources and technology..... the Difference which is vitallly important if the West is to
retain it's ''advantage''......

Obama has continued all of Bush's wars having only "exited Iraq" because its an election year (the US is still very much there and never leaving). He
then expanded Afghanistan, attacked Libya, increased attacks on Pakistan and placed sanctions on Iran, a precursor to yet another war.

He has increased military spending, continues foreign welfare and is building more US military bases overseas.

Hard to imagine that Romney might be even more aggressive. Is it even possible?

contained within your OP dismissive is the Romney ploy of projecting power that can be seen by the world...

as opposed to the stealthy and cunning of the Øbama scheme of sending murder & assassination Drones into other nation's sovereign airspace and
murdering targets-of-interest and their families
(which are daily 'signed-off-on' by the covert missions of Øbama)

yes there is a difference (bad & worse)....both these sociopaths are unelectable

Haha yeah he really shot himself in the foot in this debate. He does well when he's appealing to people's anger over the economy by making vague
promises, but when it comes to foreign policy he has no idea what he's talking about.

He actually attempted to criticize Obama for meeting with foreign leaders during his first year.

On another note, are ATS republicans at all worried that while governor, Romney was pro-choice, supported gay rights and came up with statewide
healthcare? Sounds like a liberal socialist to me

Below is a list of Mitt Romney’s foreign policy advisers complete with lists to many, but not all, of their groups, organizations, and affiliations
that should be the focus of much concern.

Cofer Black; torture architect; Blackwater; Central Intelligence Agency; Department of State Coordinator for Counter-terrorism; Total Intelligence
Solutions; CIA case officer in Zambia during the Rhodesian Bush War and Somalia during the Ethiopian/Somalian conflict; CIA officer in South Africa
during the conflict between South African government and “anti-apartheid militias;” CIA officer in Zaire where he helped armed “anti-communist
guerrillas” in Angola; CIA Station Chief in Sudan in 1993, the same time Osama bin Laden was allegedly located there; CIA agent in Afghanistan in
1998, at the same time Osama bin Laden was allegedly there; CIA Task Force Chief in the Near East and South Asia Division; Deputy Chief of the CIA
Latin America Division; Director of the Counter Terrorism Center (position held on 9/11); well-known for having withheld important information
regarding the alleged 9/11 hijackers; Department of State’s Ambassador At Large;

John Danilovich; Knight of Malta; Council on Foreign Relations; Globalization and “Free Trade” promoter as member of the Initiative For Global
Development; Millennium Challenge Corporation; .

Paula Dobriansky; Council on Foreign Relations; Climate Change promoter; Trilateral Commission; Institute For Cultural Diplomacy; Belfer Center For
Science and International Affairs;Bipartisan Policy Center; Freedom House; Hungary’s International Center for Democratic Transitions;
Australia-American Dialogue; National Endowment for Democracy; American Council of Young Political Leaders;

Michael Hayden; Former CIA Director, Former Director of the NSA (where he oversaw domestic wiretapping), Former Director of National Intelligence,
Former Commander of the Air Intelligence Agency, Proponent of the Trailblazer Project, Former Director of the Joint Command and Control Warfare
Center, Torture proponent, argued against Probable Cause, Council on Foreign Relations, principal at the Chertoff Group, Board of Directors of
Motorola Services,

Kerry Healey; Council on Foreign Relations, State Department’s Executive Committee of the Public-Private Partnership for Justice Reform in
Afghanistan (founded by Condoleeza Rice)

Kim Holmes; Council on Foreign Relations, Vice President of Foreign and Defense Policy Studies at the Heritage Foundation, Institute for International
Strategic Studies.

Robert Joseph; U.S. Chief Negotiator to Libya in 2003 (regarding nuclear weapons), National Institute for Public Policy (NeoCon Think Tank), Center
For Security Policy (Pro-Israel Think Tank); Rumored to have been responsible for the Iraq-WMD-Niger claims circulated by the Bush Administration.

Robert Kagan; Brookings Institution; Project For A New American Century; Carnegie Endowment for International Peace; Foreign Policy Initiative;
Council on Foreign Relations; political advisor to John McCain; Serves on Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s Foreign Affairs Policy Board;
Trilateral Commission; Committee for the Liberation of Iraq; Skull and Bones; US Committee on NATO; Henry Jackson Society;

John Lehman; member of the 9/11 Commission; Foreign Policy Research Institute; Project For A New American Century; National Commission on Terrorist
Attacks Upon The United States; Heritage Foundation; Center For Security Policy; Committee on the Present Danger; J.F. Lehman and Company; Hawaii
Superferry; Princess Grace Foundation – USA; Ball Corporation; Partnership For A Secure America; Council on Foreign Relations; Staff member to Henry
Kissinger at the National Security Agency; Securing America’s Energy Future;Straight Talk America; Paine Webber;

Walid Phares, Foundation for Defense of Democracies; European Foundation for Democracy; Trans-Atlantic Parliamentary Group on Counter
Jihadi-Terrorism; Wikis

There are some bad guys in there herenow. Remember The Roman empire and think forward quickely to today. The more things appear to change the more
they stay the same. You have done your part to help inform people but remember you are under no obligation to make people to think and seek out the
truth themselves. Its not your crusade alone and no need to go further with this.

Obama made that IGNORANT comment that our naval ships are in the same defunct category as bayonets and horses. I can't believe this idiot is our
Commander in Chief. I hope the entire US Navy was listening as well as all the shipyards in Virginia.

you are right....... the current incumbent inhereted and maintained American military actions globally BUT it would have been hard not to...... the
whole withdrawl immeadiately from ALL conflicts would through the world into even greater issues and possible danger............ it is this fact that
Republicans and maybe Americans in general need to realise when thinking about ''tackling'' future countries...........

you cant just skip in and skip out of any country ....... intervening in another soveriegn country is a decision not to be made lightly because it
affects so many outside the poliitical world.......

I just think that cshort video highlights a difference in thinking and speaking .

Obama made that IGNORANT comment that our naval ships are in the same defunct category as bayonets and horses. I can't believe this idiot is our
Commander in Chief. I hope the entire US Navy was listening as well as all the shipyards in Virginia.

They love using simple speak cause they see us citizens as kids and they are the teachers. I empathize with your frustration, the whole thing on
political debates is that they can become surreal to the point you wonder...and wonder

As long as people continue to believe this about the puppets they're presented with at elections, nothing will ever change.

I completely agree Khimbar

The American media seems completely intent with givign air-time to just two candidates when there are at least a couple more nationally who deserve
to be heard....... I think the media outlets have their instructions not to upset the apple cart and the American people on the whole are happy to
watch a two horse ''them or us'' race because they might have to think a little harder if there was more of a choice..

There are some bad guys in there herenow. Remember The Roman empire and think forward quickely to today. The more things appear to change the more
they stay the same. You have done your part to help inform people but remember you are under no obligation to make people to think and seek out the
truth themselves. Its not your crusade alone and no need to go further with this.

On another note, are ATS republicans at all worried that while governor, Romney was pro-choice, supported gay rights and came up with statewide
healthcare? Sounds like a liberal socialist to me

I actually have spent some time discussing that with friends. Especially before Romney got the nomination.
I can't stand the guy but I don't see him as being a worse alternative to Obama.
I see him as slightly less disastrous than Obama.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
Obama made that IGNORANT comment that our naval ships are in the same defunct category as bayonets and horses. I can't believe this idiot is our
Commander in Chief. I hope the entire US Navy was listening as well as all the shipyards in Virginia.

:shk:

FlyersFlan

ask yourself a question............ is that what he really said or is that what you want to hear....?

Your interpretation of that comment is so clouded by political bias (on your part) that you were not really listening to the message.......

I actually think you in the good ole USofA need to divorse yourselves of the completely out-dated and redundant two party mentality and try to embrace
real democracey........... which believe it or not means you have to try and listen to both viewpoints........ not just make crass comments like
your comment above......

Not a threat in anyway. Just reminding the poster that they have made their contribution and have no obligations to the rest of us. The post reminded
me of some one else today talking on this exact idea of exposing names. My concern and care for her got reflected into the post.

If it was her uing a different name poster, id be angry....oh...but thats concern...not evil or threat.

His point was that warfare changes over the years...and the tools of war will change with it out of necessity. Obama could say America is the greatest
nation on Earth and you would find a reason to be outraged over it

You sound just like the people who made a big deal out of "binders of women." It's a non-issue

Originally posted by PurpleDog UK
ask yourself a question............ is that what he really said or is that what you want to hear....?

It's what he said.

Your interpretation of that comment is so clouded by political bias (on your part) that you were not really listening to the message.......

Bias? Riiiiiiiiiiight. 'Cuz I just Luv Romney so much. NOT! Obama's message was clear .. he thinks of the US Naval ships much the same as he
thinks of horses and bayonets .. not really needed. It was ignorant of him and it was a slap in the face of our US Military.

Seriously .. some people here are a real hoot. They assume that because a person sees a fault with one candidate that they must be head over heals
for the other one. Not that it's any of your business, but I already voted absentee and I voted LIBERTARIAN.

not just make crass comments like your comment above......

Crass? You obviously have no clue what the word 'crass' means. :shk: I stated the TRUTH. The intent of what he said was that the US Navy didn't
need to be strong. He dustbin'd it with horses and bayonets. It was an awful thing for the Commander and Chief to say. And it was pretty damn
ignorant.

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