Plus the whole influence of RZA's sampling, the influence of C.R.E.A.M, the explosion of the Wu-Tang brand, the acceptance of a challenging and raw sounding protect (with little hooks) in the mainstream......"

Not my words but true shit. You have to respect wu solely off 36 just like nas with illmatic

Yeah Nas is a different story as is the MC debate. He was able to keep it ill on the track. However, when tested he showed his limitations. At the age of 18 he showed a world of insight--and jibed well with the best producer at the time. His lyricism will always be the bar for any MC. Unfortunately, he could not keep a lid on his lack of knowledge when older. He never shied from saying dumb stuff just to rhyme. Speaking of the RZA--I think he was most in the Nas category as he dropped realer science--though it was never as polished. The GZA was just too deep.

Nas features on other peoples' tracks were good early on and bad much later. He did a mad decent job with the RZA production when they merged. But, later the industry just led him down a clown's path with the Beastie boy songs and those meaningless verses that brought down the appeal of that deceased British Lady's records.

im not trolling just saying the truth all they rap about is drugs clothes and bitches, listiing to some real shit like ice cub he had messages for black people, wu tang clan sucks if you got no bitches or nice clothes you wack thats whats wu tang says

I highly encourage turning the tables on TrollKing and making this into a 'Underrated Wu Bangers' thread.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1H57hwuHGdwlol not really wu-related but I always thought this beat, retrospectively, sounded very WU (more Mathematics/Tru Master than RZA though)

@Bro King, do you ever listen to thier lyrics? C.R.E.A.M. is not a shallow song. It's about the harsh realities of life in the ghetto. Cash rules everything around them. If they want anything, they need money. Unfortunately, they will knowingly do anything do get it. It is one of the greatest conscious Hip Hop song ever.

Probably made this point before but if ODB lived and was on a respirator to keep him alive from all of the toxins in his body, he would have had taken music in a very interesting direction. The guy was incredible and did not need a sampler--he merely used his mouth and consciousness.

Dude,Who started doing features, like half the albums worth? This song featuring, featuring. Yah, they were all Wu members, but were on the solo albums, and were credited as features. But who and I am thinking no one in hip hop, or music for that matter, had features all thru out the album. No one.

Only features I can think of pre Wu are, Brand Nubian on the Business (Tribe, Low End Theory). Q - Tip on Groove Is In The Heart. Tribe and De La on Buddy. But no one had an album littered with features. Now a days, every rapper and pop artist for that matter has this song, featuring.,, blah blah blah.

For reals boy.

Name some up Troll King.

You apparently don't own any EPMD records. I don't know how this is an original idea. Isn't the Furious Five Meets the Sugar Hill Gang - Showdown the same concept? There's a lot of things Wu-Tang did first, but it wasn't featuring your other crew members on trcks.

You apparently don't own any EPMD records. I don't know how this is an original idea. Isn't the Furious Five Meets the Sugar Hill Gang - Showdown the same concept? There's a lot of things Wu-Tang did first, but it wasn't featuring your other crew members on trcks.

No disc of theirs pre Wu Tang, has more than two features in an album. Wu Tang albums were featuring every other track.

You apparently don't own any EPMD records. I don't know how this is an original idea. Isn't the Furious Five Meets the Sugar Hill Gang - Showdown the same concept? There's a lot of things Wu-Tang did first, but it wasn't featuring your other crew members on trcks.

Yes, they are pioneers and they have classics. But they have some of the worst and most inconsistent discography of all time.All their classics were released in the 90s except for Supreme Clientele.OB4CL2 is the only good Wu album that dropped during the 2000sThis shit needs to stopAs a group, Wu Tang has 1 classic album (36). As solo artists, they have like 5 classics (OB4CL, Supreme Clientele, Liquid Swords, and some I can't think of right now)

Yes, that's it. Out of all the albums they made, only a few are actually worth a listen. The Wu is nowhere top 5 when it comes to hip hop groups.

As blasphemous as this topic may seem, I agree with your premise...even though your headline was a plea for attention

What you've actually done, unintentionally, is testified to the greatness of 36 Chambers and the first wave of Wu solo albums. Many of the projects after these releases were forgetful, yes, but the first wave of projects are absolutely amazing and extremely innovative. I played 36 Chambers recently from beginning to end and, 20 years after its release, still marvel at the production, concepts, and exchanges on the album. Truly a timeless record for any/ every Hip-Hop aficionado.