It would also be nice to see the new 17" iMac Core Duo included in the benchmarks too. This would provide us a reasonably close comparison between the Intel GMA950 VS a ATI Radeon X1600. Obviously the ATI would win, but it would helpful for those concerned about the GMA950.

I would like to see a few scores comparing the top of the line mini and 17" iMac too. I'm pretty sure the revision B Intel Mac mini is going to be my next Mac. I'm pretty impressed with all the new features, and really jonesing for an Apple Remote and Front Row in the worst way.

That is better, now if there was only a way to turn the vecLIB tests off. That is the other component that skews the tests compairsons._________________Mac Pro Quad 2.66GHz, PowerMac G5 2.3 GHz, iMac Core Duo 17", MacBook Pro 2GHz, MacBook Pro 2.2GHz, Mac mini Core 2 Duo 1.83GHz. Multi-K9 Security System. No false alarms, just lots of sharp teeth.
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That is better, now if there was only a way to turn the vecLIB tests off

Why? AltiVec?

Both Intel and PPC have their own implementations of vector processing or SIMD (Single Instruction Multiple Data) Apple also refers to vector processing as AltiVec or Velocity Engine, while Intel calls it SSE. Both Intel and PPC are similar in function, but there are differences that make them tricky to benchmark. From what I have seen the vecLib in Xbench seems to favor PPC CPUs. It is possible that AltiVec is superior to SSE, but I suspect that what we are seeing is partly due to the vecLib test itself._________________Mac Pro Quad 2.66GHz, PowerMac G5 2.3 GHz, iMac Core Duo 17", MacBook Pro 2GHz, MacBook Pro 2.2GHz, Mac mini Core 2 Duo 1.83GHz. Multi-K9 Security System. No false alarms, just lots of sharp teeth.
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Both Intel and PPC have their own implementations of vector processing or SIMD (Single Instruction Multiple Data) Apple also refers to vector processing as AltiVec or Velocity Engine, while Intel calls it SSE. Both Intel and PPC are similar in function, but there are differences that make them tricky to benchmark. From what I have seen the vecLib in Xbench seems to favor PPC CPUs. It is possible that AltiVec is superior to SSE, but I suspect that what we are seeing is partly due to the vecLib test itself.

Half of that stuff I beyond me, but I sort of understand where you're heading. I also think it's possible that Xbench may need a little more tweaking for x86 Macs. What type of scores are you getting with your 17" iMac?

So what kind of preformance can i expect out of the new low end model that i cant get out of my silent upgraded g4. i mean, all the specs are the same except the new mini takes 2gb ram, has a smaller harddrive, and has 2 more usb ports. mine was 599$, came with 1.5ghz, 64 meg video ram, 80 gig 5400rpm harddrive. the new mini is the same price and seems to me that the 2 extra usb ports and upgradable 2 gigs ram isnt enough to get me to shell out another 599 or to even consider getting on, look on ebay, now that the new mac came out you can buy up old ones for cheap.

this isnt a bash mac rant but rather they should of thought their bottom of the line mac out better. I love my mac mini midline model, and i havnt upgraded anything on it yet.

if anything in that pile of words makes sense to anyone then reply otherwise just know i am very tired so things wont make sence.

The computer overall is very snappy, open UB apps in one or two bounces mostly. I was also able to play a few HD clips. 720p played flawlessly fullscreen, not so true with 1080p though. Boot time is under 30 sec.

I should have waited buying my 1.5 G4. Best overal result I had was 45.03, even when I had 1 gig stick I did not go over 45.. Should I sell my mini? The new core solo is only 20 euro's more in my country than the old one was! ____________________________________Jimę
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That's the vertex shader on the 9200 running as fast as the software emulation of the vertex shader on the Core Duo.

I assume the vertex shader emulation is single-threaded, so that's only one of the cores running that... so it's *possible* that a single-threaded application on a core duo will be able to get comparable OpenGL performance to the Mac mini, but anything that's doing 3d multithreaded will basically lose half its CPU to software OpenGL.

That means the new machine will probably not be any worse for 3d than the old one. It's not going to be any "4x faster" though.