Real world vs “TV reality” – is a war inevitable?

We have all heard the irresponsible statements coming from US politicians and, which is far more worrisome, generals: Putin must be ‘stopped’ and Russia must ‘not be allowed’ to achieve her various nefarious goals. A typical such statement was recently made by retired four-star Gen. Barry McCaffrey:

Because so far NATO’s reaction to Putin’s aggression has been to send a handful of forces to the Baltics to demonstrate ‘resolve,’ which has only convinced Putin that the alliance is either unable or unwilling to fight. So we had better change his calculus pretty soon, and contest Putin’s stated doctrine that he is willing to intervene militarily in other countries to ‘protect’ Russia-speaking people. For God’s sake, the last time we heard that was just before Hitler invaded the Sudentenland

Nevermind that the “we” that “heard” such statements from Hitler let the Soviet Union shoulder roughly 80% of the war effort, including the most difficult part when the Soviet Union single handedly turned the tide of the war, and waited for Hitler to be certain to be defeated before opening a 2nd front. McCaffrey clearly feels that the “indispensable nation” now needs to step into the mess it created in the Ukraine and stop the “new Hitler” again (former “new Hitlers” include Slobodan Milosevic and Saddam Hussein, both of whom allegedly presented an existential threat to the “Western Word”).

The real danger of this kind of rhetoric is in the implications of the narrative which underlines it. It goes like this:

There is a “Putin doctrine” which, under the disguise of protecting the rights of Russian minorities outside Russia, aims at reconquering all the territory of the former Soviet Union. This is done by using propaganda to inflame these Russian minorities, get them to protest and make unreasonable demands, and then to intervene using a new form of warfare called ‘hybrid warfare’ which relies on a mix of military, intelligence, civilian and political activities as well as support from Russian mobsters, infiltrated “KGB” agents, etc. This ‘hybrid warfare’ provides the Russians with a degree of ‘plausible deniability’ backed, if needed, by a perceived ‘escalation dominance’ (the ability to control how high and how fast the conflict can escalate). The potential targets of this “Putin Doctrine” are quite literally all the former Soviet republics and, first and foremost, the Baltic Republics, Moldova, Georgia and, who knows, possibly even Poland.

All of the above is absolute and total nonsense. There is no “Putin doctrine”, “hybrid warfare” and “plausible deniability” as CIA-coined concepts, the very *last* thing Russia needs is to “conquer” any part of the former USSR, least of all the poor and useless Baltic states, Moldova or Georgia (which it could have easily conquered in 2008!). But the fact that this entire theory is rubbish does not make it less dangerous, precisely because it is based entirely on paranoid ideas rather, than facts. Think of it; is there anything at all Putin could do to signal that he has absolutely no intention of invading Lithuania, Latvia or Estonia? No, there isn’t. Even if Russia did completely demilitarize Kaliningrad and move all her forces 300km away from these statelets, this would not remove the Russian minority there, nor would it remove this minority’s desire to not live in a Apartheid-like status of “non-citizens”. So, any such withdrawal would be interpreted as a “new phase” of the “hybrid warfare” were “old KGB tricks” are used instead of “traditional military aggression”. The bottom line is this: this rhetoric cannot be disproved being, as it is, based on ideas. Besides, how do you prove a negative?

This rhetoric also implies an inevitability. Russians are imperialists, the KGB president is up to KGB tricks, and “new Hitlers” are popping up like mushrooms after the rain, they must be stopped, and only the ‘indispensable nation” can do that.

Captain America

There is an apocalyptic tone to all that. Listening to these American ignoramuses, one gets the feeling that the fate of mankind is literally depending on these freedom loving generals to save civilization and mankind from the absolute darkness embodied in these “new Hitlers” who combine the features of Darth Vader, Sauron, and Lex Luthor. Putin becomes a character which each American has been raised with, the notorious “supervillain” who, by necessity, must be opposed by a superhero à laCaptain America.

Of course, Captain America is not quite what he used to be. In fact, Captain America has not won a real war since 1945. But nevermind, here comes the “Empire of Illusions” (to use Chris Hedges’ expression) to the rescue of the sordid reality: as long as the American people, thoroughly zombified by the Idiot-tube, *believes* that “we kicked Saddam’s ass”, that “Slobo” “got the Hague” and that Gaddafi’s “people” gave him some “well-deserved” “street justice” no amount of actual failure on the ground matters. These are two parallel worlds which never touch each other: real life, and “life” inside the American TV set.

The big question is: which one will prevail?

Honestly, I don’t know.

In a sane world it is quite impossible to imagine that a country which lost every single war it fought in the past 70 years would decide to top off this series of defeats by taking on the country which defeated both Napoleon and Hitler. But in the TV-world to which American politicians and, apparently, generals cater to and, possibly, live in, the “exceptional nation” might well have to take on the “white man’s burden” and save mankind from the looming Darkness from the East.

My biggest fear is that that Russia might have to smack down yet another “great leader of western civilization”, but that the price in human lives this time around might be even much higher than the other two previous times.

There will be no American politicians in Moscow to celebrate Victory Day this year. But for once, I sure hope that they will at least turn on their beloved TV sets, watch and think about what this celebration commemorates and ask themselves a simple question: are we really that stronger and that smarter than Napoleon and Hitler were?

The Saker

The Essential Saker II: Civilizational Choices and Geopolitics / The Russian challenge to the hegemony of the AngloZionist Empire

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Time is running out for them and that is why there really is a feeling or sense of inevitability and reality that a war really is possible. Russia ad China are trying their best to avert it. Sadly, it is the old Warsaw pact countries who will start it. History again repeating itself for a 3rd and maybe final time.

Whether the EU and the rest of them can come to their senses is debateable. Their politico’s are bought up members of the US foreign policy…..The US Ambassador is attending the Victory Day parade – so he will be representing his country. I was surprised Hollande didn’t go considering Putin came to D-Day last year…..that is a sign of just how bad things are…..no respect no rememberance. What else did we expect from the Hegemon? All they know is death and destruction.

Unfortunately, it’s not just the politicians and generals that fall into the “ignoramus” category; a large percent of the American people find facts to be pesky and boresome things, and love them a good TV bombing or two.

Europeans, wake up: Should the NATO psychos actually manage to stumble into a war with Russia on your soil, those Americans that you’ve allowed to occupy your country will view the carnage you endure as nothing more but TV competition for Game of Thrones.

To Psheks, Balts, and Ukros, being thoroughly ^&%$*@ by Uncle Sam actually amounts to a Holy Blessing; something on par with “Instant Heaven”. It would indeed be outright, criminal neglect on the part of the Pindos not to take advantage of such stauch admirers.

Not the European people only their traitorous governments who have abrogated all responsibilities of their leadership for their blind subservience to Washington. Most European peoples are deeply opposed to the course their governments are taking.

You should differentiate the EU of the European peoples … The EU is certainly a US doll, but for the majority of European citizens do not.
Thus, graphs such as “US, please, keep your crappy food in your kitchen” or “US stop to piss the world” began to adorn the walls of our cities.

I just want to point out that “General” McCaffery (Retired) is man of no consequence or influence. He’s a paid media shill that usually appears on MSNBC – a laughable news channel that almost nobody watches. For what I’ve observed of him, he appears to be a complete media-whore that takes his talking points from his current and former paymasters. If he’s on MSNBC he acts like a neo-liberal, if he’s on CNN or FOX he takes on a neo-con persona. I seriously doubt anyone in the zombified Cable News audience even remembers anything he says.

He’s not an important guy, just another “Talking-Head” on the MSM/PSM (P as in Propaganda).

Time is a flow. And this flow flows in a circle. History is repeating.

If we read Plato, we find a story about Atlantis. A story which his grand-uncle Solon was told in Egypt by some priests on one of his journeys. Atlantis is described as a very mighty, highly advanced civilisation, and very superior to the other nations and tribes on the European continent. Nevertheless they, the Atlanteans, become corrupted and greedy and they were already in an “Empire-Mode”, using their naval superiority to conquer and subdue other nations.

Does this remind you of something? Is it ringing?

Oh, I forgot to told you that the Egyptian priests were talking about a time before the great flood: 10.000 years before. Plato was living somewhere 2.500 before Christ, so we are talking about a civilisation which is at least 12.000 years old and this is certainly not a Darwinist, reductionist, materialistic and “official” point of view. If you study history, than Atlantis is Walt Disney… and if you study Philosophy than Atlantis is still a myth. Ye, a myth.

What are they telling us in the beginning of “The Lord Of The Rings”? “The battle, where Sauron lost the ring through a strike by Isildur? “This great battle passed by, became history, than legend, than myth and in the end after 3.000 years nearly everybody forgot.

Ah, why I’m telling this? Ok, back to “Plato’s Atlantis”: The Egyptian Priests told Plato’s great-uncle, that the only nation which stood up against the mighty Atlanteans were the forefathers of the Hellenic civilisation. And they not only stood up against the Atlantenas, they challenged them and even defeated them.

12.000 years later – if you are willing to follow this hypothesis – there is another clash imminent between a thalassocratic Empire and a telurocratic, orthodox Republic.

If you watch the gap between 10.000 BC and today – and to go beyond the official beginning of our civilisation in Sumer 4.000 BC, you have to work seriously with myths and legends and read the religious scriptures differently like learned in school – than you can watch the Empire transforming and morphing its way through history, crawling tireless through the ages like an old snake. It’s changing its shape, leaving the old skin behind.

Have you ever asked yourself, when it begun? The Kings? The Nobility? That there are “higher ones” and “lower ones”? Masters and servants? Ok, we could start a discussion from here, that this was always so and that it is even a need of the masses to be ruled. Maybe this could be in a phase of certain limitations to the human consciousness but my “gut feeling” is telling me: “here on this planet, something is wrong! Something stinks greatly here!”

Between 10.000 BC and 4.000 BC there is a “blackout” in history. Then suddenly out of nowhere Babylon arises. The Persian Empire. Rome. Byzantium. Venice. British Empire. Now the American Empire. America is even designed as the “New Rome”: the political and juridical systems, even the architecture of the official buildings. Russia wouldn’t be Russia, if it hadn’t incorporated the administrative technology of Byzantium.

This book and others from Reich where forbidden in the USA in the 1950’s! Can you imagine? In the 50’s, in the “free America”? So I thought, there must be something interesting about this man and his work.

Reich elaborates the similarities between the “brown Nazi ideology” and the “red Bolshevik ideology” in a way as “two sides of one coin”. “Our brothers” from the Lodge love these Hegelian Dialectic games, whereat this dualistic scheme is as old as there is a Plus and a Minus and there is some form of current and energy flowing between these poles.

The deep initiated Cabbalists, as the Alchemists and Gnostics and also the Jesuits also know it: our very existence, our energetically, our biological and our social domain is on a certain fundamental level a flow of energy: between a + and a – and there is a balancing O. So 3 forces. There is nothing to change about this. But with this knowledge, if you are organized enough, you can always come on top as winner in history: you have to manipulate this flow of energy in a certain field, so you are controlling “the game” in a certain area. This is done by setting up buildings like
churches, temples, official buildings designed in a Classical Outlook on certain energetic spots. They are puncturing the meridians of the Earth in a certain way and with the architecture of the building they are programming this Earth energy for their purposes.

Architecture when composed with the full knowledge of the laws of Sacred Geometry is like “frozen music”. The vibration of the Earth energies brings this “music” to life. It affects our consciousness on a level that you can’t imagine and I can’t explain here in short.

Social engineering. Programming the society. Feed the masses polarizing ideas: left vs right. Men vs woman. Liberals vs Conservatives. Orthodox vs Catholic. East vs West. Bolshevik vs Nazi. Always enough people buy this game and create a conflict-field which is manipulated by the “Masters”.

I quite like your analysis. It is paramount to remember and cogitate upon the fundamental principles manifesting around us – and to consider who is in possession of true knowledge and how they act to express their intent.

deep thinking. Has it ever occurred to you that Babylon as the cradle of civilization is a false construct? The Vinca script predates Sumerian script by 1000 years. The Kurgan theory. You might study that too. Sintasha is where the worlds oldest chariot was found. It’s in Russia btw. Study semiotics– signs. Note how the caves of Lauscaux art is so refined. Study Minoa.
Read Gimbutas. Forget Plato. Find the Thracians and Ancient Dacia. Much truth was buried. But the earth does not forget.

Babylon certainly is not right, as it came into existence thousands of years after the Sumer civilisation, albeit on roughly the same territory.

Sumer on the other hand goes back more than 4000 BC, as the earliest evidence of domesticated emmer wheat is around 7500 – 8000 BC. This food is the first staple available in large enough quantities to allow the sort of excess needed to let non-agricultural pursuits develop full time. This differentiation of labour allowed the development of artisans, priests, administrators, bureaucrats etc etc who were needed in a settled society (but not necessarily in nomadic conditions).

Emmer cultivation has also been found in the Indus Valley dated around 7000 BC; it could easily overlap with or even predate Sumer, especially as there is evidence there of other cultivation as well.

It is rather Euro-centric to claim Sumer as the origins of civilisation, but this was accepted (and then passed on) long before investigations were done further afield, eg Asia).

Today of course the “west” considers itself more civilized, while the present occupants (and in some cases direct descendants) of the “cradle” areas are considered somewhat wild, primitive and savage.

First, I have to thank you. You are the first person I know to see the reality, as in time being a circle. The current notion that time is liniar, did not convince me since long.However, i see it more as a spiral, (with the DNA strand being an image of what mean) with humanity passing through different energy vibrations. The talk about the switching of poles, from geographic, to ideological has its grounds. History has convinced me of this. The problem is that humanity still lives with a deep amnesia. Fear of death, and the atheistic notion that nothing is past our lives keeps the majority of mankind in a constant search of fullfilment of some socially preconcieved neccessities. Religions have the purpose to remind us that the cycle which is our life is not all there is. You can expell from them the different names, and geographical differences, and at the root find the same teachings. Unfortunately, the last 12.000 years the earth has been in a dark spot, thus our kn0wn history is full of wars and violence. However, there are signs on earth that a great civilization, existed on the entire planet, and stories about a Golden Age. How it came to an end and why, however are part of the amnesia we are living with. The Mayan Calendar is one of the most, if not the most accurate tool to understand how time evolves. All the native populaces, that still exist in South America, Africa, Australia,Asia and in Russias Siberia, still have some knowledge about what happened before, and understand better what is ahead, although even their information has been diluted by this amnesia.
That poses the age old question, why are we here on this planet? What is the purpose of mankind? Could this be just a school for the soul? What are the lessons we must learn from all this? In the end, we, as individuals have only one power which we do not know how to use, and which nobody can take away from us : The power to choose.
We truly live in a duality driven existence: fear and love….we can choose to live in fear, or we can choose to live in love. You cited from “Lord of the rings”, I would like to cite from “Star Wars” : “Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.” The moment we renounce fear, we have won, we have passed the test. The path might be difficult, and might mean we have to renounce some of the conforts we are so used to. But those conforts are only material, they remain here once we move forward in existence as energy beings. That saying, I can understand why some psychopats are so keen in reaching immortality in this sequence of existence, since death would only put them in the inconfortable position of restarting/reincarnating from 0. And they would do that, because the purpose of this planet is to teach us about choosing love. Only then will we “graduate” to the next level, with its challenges.
Again, thank you!

I m Sanjay again here once in a while. I read your blog for sure and every now and then I feel like saying something knowingly that you all know a lot more than me. In fact I know nothing yet trying to say something out of my observations.
1. I think one has to first think if there is something called “Western Civilization”(In my opinion not)? Otherwise we would not be seeing barbarism after barbarism at least in the last 100 yrs without any attempt to at least devlop the CIVILIZATION. The word barbarism is replaced with the word called “DEMOCRACY”.
2. IF it is thought that there is something called “WESTERN CIVILIZATION” then question is WHAT is it? – Define it and try to see if it fits in.
3. Russia is Asia or at the least it is not Europe. The more it tried to integrate into Europe the worse it get. BUT at the end of the day the situation has forced to do introinspection and move inward and hence moving towards EAST where it has salvation.
4. To answer the question about WAR: — Then war is CERTAIN. When I don’t know. The reason is the barbarism always resort to the WAR as a First Choice. It is not taking place due to the fact is other side has a lots of civilizations and culture. And highly Civilized Nation goes to War as last resort. That will be there. In the end it would be absolute necessary to crush not the Nazism but the barbarism. It is the most barbaric people/INSTITUTION/NATION who hide behind something very fashionable word called Nazism/Hitler. The close investigation finds out that Hitler was their man to accomplish their goal but when he started getting defeated then he was made an escape goat etc and ended with Yalta conference. Still it is unbelievable for me that the same people who dropped the Atom Bomb were worshiped by entire west (Hitler didn’t drop that did he?). Isn’t it?

Dear Ann
By the way yes it is Sanjay from India and lives in India. However it is my experience of 20+ yrs of living/traveling and understanding the West.

This captain runs a blog your country & says all the western “enlightenment” or renaissance incredible science/technology/philosophy was just plagiarized from really ancient documents in india, looted by the british & deciphered, & then claimed “discovered” by the list of intellectual giants whose names the west knows.

I’m not sure, if this is correct. First of all, there is no real discovery, only rediscovery. Everything was already there, got lost and then re-emerges after e certain time. Maybe in a different form, but equal in principle. Your reference to the Vedic culture is nice: if you study the Mahabarata, you’ll find UFOs (Vimanas. Even of different kind and propulsion), Holograms, chemical and even nuclear weapons. Amazing, but true…

The period of European renaissance doesn’t go back to the vedic wisdom. The vedic wisdom is a derivate of the wisdom of the lost civilisation of Atlantis. “The Ark of the Covenant” is among other things a collection of the wisdom of Atlantis. Guarded by the Brotherhood. The Templars recovered this wisdom to a certain degree in Jerusalem and the Rosicrucians studied them. With the acquired knowledge of the Rosicrucians in conjunction with the might, power and money from the Medicis, what we call Renaissance today begun in the city of “Florence”. This development was also driven by the Greek scholars who left Constantinople after the Turk invasion when Byzantine was in decay. These scholars brought the wisdom of classical Greek period with them.

This all begun around the late 14. Century: then there was no British Empire. Venice was then the Empire of that time…

– Wow! Thanks a lot for your cheap-shot at Deccani Christians (who are Orthodox Christians like me – although I am not from the Deccan Plateau, I think its terrible to use them as an object of contempt.).

Great! Another hater of Orthodox Christians gets to troll freely here (I’m referring to the comment from anonymous, April ` 21, 10:57 UTC). What is it with you Western Catholic/Anglican/Protestant/Atheist-Secularist Carolingian cultists? Why can’t you just leave us alone? We’re not trying convert you.

The comment: “You must be a deccani christian lol” is derisive and refers specifically to Christians of Orthodox extraction. The contempt implied is that being Deccani/Orthodox Christian is something to be laughed at ( your words :”….lol” ).

Now to the business of your incorrect and superficial translation of the word “Melech”: The term Melech is used to describe the unclean, filthy, (like the filth and stink that accumulates on a persons skin). This term was not solely used to describe murdering barbarian crud that would periodically build-up on India’s ancient borders (resulting in ancient Indian empires or Confederacies sending armies to “clean-up” thru slaughter these savage thieving raiders). The term Melech would also be used to describe members of any Caste or class or nationality that would act as a 5th-Columnist, a traitor, a criminal-minded foreign enemy, etc.

Modern examples of Melech can include the following: brainwashed Ukrainian Nationalists; Russian Neo-Nazis, in fact, any Neo-Nazi; Islamists, especially those that hate their parent ancestral culture like in Pakistan, Indonesia, Malaysia, etc.; Khalistani Sikh fanatics, extreme narrow-minded fundamentalists of any stripe, Neocons; and Neo-Liberals.

It was also used to describe arrogant and ignorant atheists (or religious fanatics), persons of impure or unclean thought and character, individuals that intentionally attack or insult other without provocation (like internet trolls) and self-disgraced individuals (like internet trolls). @Anonymous, I think you need to study your own history too and perhaps improve your knowledge about the people you’re attempting to ridicule.

BTW the name “Sanjay” is Hindu, I doubt he’s an Orthodox Indian Christian (Deccani or otherwise). Maybe you need to be a bit more competent/knowledgeable in Indian cultural, language and history before pretending you can guess a particular Indian’s background.

the meaning of the term “Western civilization” may have varied a bit over time in terms of what is included and what is not. It’s basically the name the Usanians give to their occupation of Europe. What used to be Germany, Austria, Hungary and even Galicia (Western Ukraine) used to be called Mitteleuropa (Central Europe) and certainly wasn’t part of any “Western civilization”.

As the terrorist Judeo-Usanian mafia occupant succeeds in imposing its rhetoric more and more, by means of the despicable traitors that work for him in every country, the notion of what’s historically the various shades of Europe is flattened by the steamroller of “Western civilization”.

Europeans from every European country must work and strive to preserve their tradition and their identity, else they’ll all be steamrolled.

Definition of “west”
Ever wondered what word “the west” really means in today’s context as used by the anglosphere ? It is not Mediterranean civilisation of Greece, Italy, Spain or even France. It is not north western European civilisation of Germany or Scandinavia. In fact all these countries have been spied upon by the nations who call and self designate themselves “the west” -a nation otherwise known as 5 Eyes !- A combination of england, usa, canada ,newzealand and australia- disparate nations geographically and not even european ; but esssentially anglosaxon race nations. A race based concept really. West is euphemism for anglos- it does not include any of other white European nations not even the most westerly European nation of Ireland! The word “west” is a fraud to distract from real actors behind the scene-the 5 eyes of cunning English controlled anglo nations.
The Empire is Britain and it enforces its will through its Death Star, which is its USA colony.

“white “
“white “=misnomer used by english occupiers who detested even whiter irish and germans as nonwhites.

the english spies in us discriminated against much of non anglosaxon whites in america.
The reason minority england worshipping anglosaxons are still ruling USA is because of this-other stupid European origin whites(whom the anglosaxons hardly care about) are not fighting for their right from anglosaxons but from the blacks!
Usa comes to rescue of not European white nations but only england and its anglo colonies.
Usa shares stolen secrets not with white nato nations but only with anglosaxon races.
english racists occupiers of america really mean -white= anglosaxons who worship england as master nation.
most of anglos are not anglosaxon race which is the most vile race using usa as a colony for england. wake up whites and blacks in usa. Destroy british spy journalists and their stooges in hollywood.
Benjamin Franklin “we should bewary of allowing Germans and sweds to immigrate, because they were too swarthy!”
“Those with a sense of irony may recall that Benjamin Franklin, one of the leading figures of the Enlightenment, warned that the newly liberated colonies should be wary of allowing Germans to immigrate, because they were too swarthy; Swedes as well. Into the twentieth century, ludicrous myths of Anglo-Saxon purity were common in the U.S., including among presidents and other leading figures.”
Hence comes the myth of white-where white is a code word for English and English derived anglosaxon race who incidentally are much more swarthy than the Irish and Germans who were declared non-whites in usa according to their vocabulary.
In other words anglosaxons though in minority have been able to get hold of power only by myth of white which is to pit one against another while they really mean it for the benefit of not all white races but anglosaxon race only.

I think it’s even more complicated, connected and interwoven then you outlined…

For example: to make a distinction between the Anglo-Saxons and the Germans is funny, because the Anglo-Saxons are a German tribe which crossed the North-Sea and populated England. In Germany we say “Angelsachsen”. Sachsen is still a federal state in Germany. In East-Germany to be more precise. And “Angel” means “hinge” or fishing-rod. So the Angelsachsen were a “sub-tribe” of the tribe Sachsen, the ones who were living at the shores of the North Sea.

And there is also a connection between the “German-Tribes” and “Russian-Tribes”. The past kingdom of Preußen for example, out of which Germany as a nation-state emerged is called Prussia. (p)Russia. OK? And it bordered next to Russia:

With due respect but you’re confusing a lot. The Saxons weren’t a German but a Germanic tribe – or more precisely, a group of different Germanic tribes that settled in the Eastern part of what is today the Netherlands and in the northwest of today’s Germany: mainly Lower Saxony, Westphalia and Holstein (North of Hamburg).

The Angles lived northwards to the Saxons in today’s border-region Germany/Denmark and the Jutes settled north to the Angles.

People of the Free State of Saxony in contemporary Germany have originated out of Germanic Thuringians and western Slavonic tribes which assimilated with time to “Germans”.

Hi Sanjay !!! You write interesting comments….do you know who Rudolf Steiner is ? He was a European mystic…very interesting writings, that you might like…reincarnation and karma take up much of the teaching….as well as life after death..and study of religions..

Steiner has said that Eastern people look on the West as a truly decadent and hopeless place…so you have certainly confirmed that saying !!.

But Sanjay, there is much that is great in the West too, really….its the criminals that are leading us into this vaccuum…not the people. And lots of commenters often criticize Americans…but really any country can be criticized..it depends on who you’re looking at when making a judgement…

For instance….I adore a little bear cub orphanage in Northern Russia…you can look them up…just go to youtube and look up ‘bear cub orphanage in Russia’ and they have about 10 youtubes…

now Sanjay….

This little orphanage is funded 100% by an American charity…IFAW…International Fund of Animal Welfare….and these people – in the States – are so wonderful….really great people….

So there you have the other side of America….all things have 2 sides at least…Steiner actually says all things have 12 aspects….but are strong in one or two….

Dear Ann/Saker/friends
It is always a pleasure to see your response and I really enjoyed it. By the way the “Bear Cub” example is a nice one but in fact these are Smoke-Screen. In other words an illusion or diversion. May i ask you how you would compare this FUNDING of “BEAR CUB OROHANAGE” against the DESTRUCTION/PLUNDERING of Russia took place. The West/USA looted trillions of Dollars from Russia. I am sure you all know it. Who would give the compensation. I don’t the “Bear Cub” American would take the responsibility. I don’t know why he is funding in Russia. In fact the people of USA needs him the most. THE WEST/USA as a whole did that and still doing it. The West/USA plundered destroyed country after country for no reason. Created orphans/widow/handicapped. Exceptions can’t be Norm. The majority of the West were in favor of the Bush/Clinton/Bush/Obama what they did or doing. It could be also very interesting to really find out who are the people behind the “Bear Cub Orphange” and what they are really doing.

Just my own observation I haven’t seen any movement against the very fundamental issue after the Hippie era which was systematically eradicated. I have experienced in West/USA that they really want to eradicated every great culture/civilization by brute force as they did to the Indegenous population of AMERICAS/Australias/NewZealand.

These are just few observation. Just coming back to the main subject: Looking back in the History, and present the Future is “WAR”. In my opinion it MUST be, to establish “the righteousness” of the Cosmos.

But Sanjay If war is certain…then its certainly going to hurt Asia as much as the US…so don’t validate it by thinking its certain !!

Please please don’t say that… I don’t want nuclear war to strike our dear planet….its not the easy way out….

Once the Americans….the great American people wake up…not the stupid but the great ones, there will be strong demonstrations….I hope that the spiritual world will help us to deflect this premmie…premature war of all against all….its not supposed to happen for another 5 thousand years…but according to Steiner is trying to be born now. Lets hope the good shall win…and that’s not nuclear war on any count….if nuclear war strikes…the good will be less strong…not more, dear Sanjay.

“Let’s not start looking at animal protection societies as hidden Western plots.”

Well, in fact we should. It’s not just Greenpeace serving other masters than Nature and the well-being of our beautiful Planet, and having a much different agenda than pretended. WWF is another strong example of such a scam.

But I agree that smallies like the little bear cub orphanage in Northern Russia is most likely bona fide.

Yes Ann
It would hurt Asia and It should and must. A big part of Asia is acomplice in the entire affair of West. Hence it should. I don’t know if you remember that once I said that we who call ourselves innocent are really not innocent. Hence we have to pay the price.
It is amazing for me to understand that people, countries went along with West who was systematically, institutionally etc involved in PILLAGE and PLUNDER etc. On top of it we all appreciate the west and what not. Moreover you say “The Great American People” will wake up, let me say this, there are few individuals who have already left the land of US and living in some other place. It could be confirmed. There is no awakening among the American People as long as they get their piece of the pie. It had never been and it would never be. One could confirm this. Russia is out of this dream if it had once and China too and there are many many.

Moreover, Dear Ann it is not my grudges, beilieve me. I am expressing something which I have literally experienced.

Also Good is never weak, Truth is never weak. In fact it would be the TRUTH and the Good would win over all these. The Nuclear thing is not only with the Evil…. We believe that if we are with the Truth then the strength of Entire Universe are with us.

While it may be true that the US hasn’t had the wherewithal to see any military campaign through to completion fot two successive generations, it is not necessarily true that the American Oligarchs haven’t achieved their strategic objectives.

When I look around at the wasteland created to support the Uhmurkin lifestyle(tm) I see the export of a single commodity: discord. It is far easier for the US to simply destabilize than conquer, with the added benefit of generating longer term revenue streams whereby the MI complex and banksters can siphon off more of the public wealth. It helps to have a nation of woefully undereducated, disinterested imbeciles to whip into a fear based frenzy of self aggrandizing vengeance. I mean who doesn’t want that?

Hubert Hubris on April 21, 2015 · at 4:55 pm UTC said:“While it may be true that the US hasn’t had the wherewithal to see any military campaign through to completion fot two successive generations, it is not necessarily true that the American Oligarchs haven’t achieved their strategic objectives.”

Agreed

Hubert Hubris on April 21, 2015 · at 4:55 pm UTC said:“When I look around at the wasteland created to support the Uhmurkin lifestyle(tm) I see the export of a single commodity: discord.”

Agreed

Hubert Hubris on April 21, 2015 · at 4:55 pm UTC said:“It is far easier for the US to simply destabilize than conquer, with the added benefit of generating longer term revenue streams whereby the MI complex and banksters can siphon off more of the public wealth.”

Agreed,

but why do you limit all of this to the US? your description could equally be applied to the Russian Oligarchs, their equivalent MIC & Capitalist system – what is the difference ?

Hubert Hubris on April 21, 2015 · at 4:55 pm UTC said:“It helps to have a nation of woefully undereducated, disinterested imbeciles to whip into a fear based frenzy of self aggrandizing vengeance. I mean who doesn’t want that?”

It’s been quoted too often recently, but it does apply:

“Göring: Why, of course, the people don’t want war. Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally, the common people don’t want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship.
Gilbert: There is one difference. In a democracy, the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States only Congress can declare wars.
Göring: Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.
In an interview with Gilbert in Göring’s jail cell during the Nuremberg War Crimes Trials (18 April 1946)”

Further, I don’t know of any Russian Oligarchs who have brought such destruction and chaos to anyone as the US has consistently done. US policy will grab what money they can but it’s prime motive and policy is not greed but complete control and power over the world.

“The question is why?Why do countries such as China, Brazil and Iran, which have been subjected to economic and geopolitical bullying by the US, refrain from unambiguously stating that the acting regime in Ukraine was brought to power by the United States and its European allies, and has therefore no legitimacy to rule, or hold elections?

It is all a Matter of Class

The answer, in a nutshell, is class: in dealing with the imperial policies of Western powers, these countries (like Russia itself) are hamstrung by their own oligarchs. Like Russian oligarchs, the financial elites in these countries have closer affinity with their class counterparts in the West than with their fellow citizens at home. To these folks, issues such as national sovereignty and social justice are secondary to “peaceful” co-existence in a neoliberal world order led by the US. Consciously or instinctively, they perceive cross-border alliances (or hostilities) more as inter-class than international.

A look back at the US-USSR relationship prior to the collapse of the Soviet Union can be instructive here. Despite its much smaller economy and the notoriously inefficient bureaucratic rule of those earlier days, the Soviet Union was able to resist or react to US aggressions more robustly than Russia can today. Why? Because in spite of their bureaucratic and corrupt character, the ruling circles of the timespoke with one voice in dealing with imperialistic Western powers. To deal with the challenges posed by the United States and its allies, they tried (and to a large extent succeeded) to become as economically self-sufficient as possible and, therefore, as independent or immune to global market fluctuations as possible. This stood in sharp contrast to today’s situation where Russia’s economy has become (largely through the economic power and behavior of oligarchs) intertwined with Western economies and, therefore, vulnerable to global market vacillations and threats of economic sanctions. The unified and cohesive foreign policy decisions of the Soviet era also stood in sharp contrast to today’s divided economic policies and geopolitical positions in Russia—where the financial aristocracy gladly accommodates the geopolitical and economic designs of Western powers, and is eagerly willing to implement policies of neoliberal economics in Russia.

In the same fashion that the emergence of financial elites in Russia has weakened its defenses againsteconomic, geopolitical and military adventures of the US and its allies, so has the emergence of financial oligarchies in countries such as China and Iran undermined their ability to resist such imperialistic adventures, or to more vigorously defend their sovereignty.”

OK — I’ll concede that the oligarchs interfere with foreign policy way too much in Russia, but I wouldn’t say they control it, to the extent they do in the US, and with Putin there (who has knocked much of that influence out), or with the other opposing forces (nationalists or monarchists, or communists) in Russia. In other words, Russia is not a fascist country like the US and many EU countries are, where money of the wealthy controls everything. I’ve read there was a deal of sorts where Putin said they could keep their money if they got out of politics.

That said, the struggle is still there. But Russian oligarchs are not destroying country after country, or destroying Russia at this point like under Yeltsin (or even Gorbachev) when he knuckled under to the west.

So I think what I said isn’t so far off within the context of the post.

blue on April 22, 2015 · at 1:10 am UTC said:“OK — I’ll concede that the oligarchs interfere with foreign policy way too much in Russia, but I wouldn’t say they control it, to the extent they do in the US, and with Putin there (who has knocked much of that influence out)”

“In order to secure the support of the oligarchs, the Putin regime is ready to place the entire burden of the economic crisis onto the backs of the working class. The Kremlin has intensified its austerity measures. At the same time, laws are being prepared to protect the fortunes of the oligarchs from the effects of the sanctions. According to the Rotenberg Law—named after Putin’s friend and oligarch Arkadi Rotenberg—the Kremlin will repay the value of assets which Russian oligarchs have lost abroad as a result of the sanctions.
…[]…
As in the 1998 financial crisis, a weak ruble would create a mechanism to curb wages and social benefits. This is why the policy of a weak ruble has been welcomed by sections of the oligarchy. Even before the start of the economic war against Russia, the central bank had significantly devalued the currency at the end of last year.
In particular, the former finance minister and Putin adviser Alexei Kudrin, celebrated in international financial circles for his tough austerity measures between 2000 and 2011, welcomed the measures as a painful but necessary step to reform the Russian economy. However, some employers have criticized the Kremlin for saving the financial system at the expense of industry. For some businesses, the interest rate rise means paying 20 to 25 percent for credit.
The scale of the current crisis is increasingly being compared to the dramatic social and economic collapse of the 1990s. After the restoration of capitalism, which completely ruined the overwhelming majority of the population, one economic crisis followed another, cliques of oligarchs engaged in Mafia wars and governments had to be replaced every few months.
…[]…
The Russian oligarchy and state bureaucracy fear that without unconditional capitulation to imperialism, their entire fortune and power in Russia itself is at risk. At the same time, social tensions are rising enormously as a result of the economic war being conducted by the US and EU and the open protection of the oligarchs by the Kremlin. The devaluation of the ruble hits hardest the broad mass of the population, who already face mounting poverty.”

blue on April 22, 2015 · at 1:10 am UTC said:“or with the other opposing forces (nationalists or monarchists, or communists) in Russia. In other words, Russia is not a fascist country like the US and many EU countries are, where money of the wealthy controls everything.”

“any right-wing nationalist ideology or movement with an authoritarian and hierarchical structure that is fundamentally opposed to democracy and liberalism” ?

Is the Russian administration Nationalist – for discussion, let’s assume it is.
Is it right wing? based on previously quoted excerpts of liability transfers it seems certain it is.
Is it authoritarian? seems so (e.g flawed but interesting http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1879366513000365)
Is it hierarchical? seems so
Is it opposed to democracy? http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1879366513000365)“Where does democracy fit into this? As noted, Putin does not expressly reject democracy, and, unlike Nicholas, he does not publicly justify or praise autocracy. Indeed, in 2012 he noted that “any innovation must strengthen the democratic character of our state” (Izvestia, 2012). Ironically, the context of this quote was defending a law that would increase the fines for those engaged in street protests. The irony, it seems, is lost on him. Rather, under Putin, Russian leaders have embraced particular, modified versions of democracy, ones that, they would contend, better reflect Russian history and/or Russia’s current situation. “

Is it opposed to liberalism (where that = liberty&equality)? since it is opposed to equality, then it is opposed to liberalism.

In summary, there is a case to say that Russia is Fascist and that money/wealth controls everything – is there not?

blue on April 22, 2015 · at 1:10 am UTC said:“I’ve read there was a deal of sorts where Putin said they could keep their money if they got out of politics.”

That’s a different deal to the one I refer to – can you post links please?

blue on April 22, 2015 · at 1:10 am UTC said:“That said, the struggle is still there. But Russian oligarchs are not destroying country after country, or destroying Russia at this point like under Yeltsin (or even Gorbachev) when he knuckled under to the west.”

As I said in reply to matt janovic here Anonymous on April 22, 2015 · at 6:46 am UTC

Are you trying to win an argument by appeal to authority? or do you just like quoting most of articles you give the link to anyway?

Do you have any backing of your own for statements such as

In order to secure the support of the oligarchs, the Putin regime is ready to place the entire burden of the economic crisis onto the backs of the working class. The Kremlin has intensified its austerity measures.

Can you show some examples of austerity measures? shifting of burdens to the working class?

You are quoting an article from December, when the ruble was falling. In hindsight, can you even show an economic crisis actually resulted from that?

At the same time, laws are being prepared to protect the fortunes of the oligarchs from the effects of the sanctions. According to the Rotenberg Law—named after Putin’s friend and oligarch Arkadi Rotenberg—…..

Do you know if this law was actually passed? or did it just go through a first reading, as stated in your quoted article?

Kat Kan on April 22, 2015 · at 11:05 am UTC said:“Are you trying to win an argument by appeal to authority?

My comment is my opinion – do you believe that 911 was an inside job? can you prove it? If other opinion makes sense to me I am open to change.

(really not sure what your ref to authority is about – I mostly disrespect authority and respect equality)

Kat Kan on April 22, 2015 · at 11:05 am UTC said:“or do you just like quoting most of articles you give the link to anyway?

Why rephrase something if it says exactly what you mean (also, many people read text but don’t press links) ?

Kat Kan on April 22, 2015 · at 11:05 am UTC said:“Do you have any backing of your own for statements such as”

My opinion was based on the links that I posted.

Do you have any backing to form an opinion that all the gold reported to be in the Fed bank is not there? do you, perhaps, form your own opinion based on various “conspiracies” and then conclude you are right when a particular government decides to repatriate?

Kat Kan on April 22, 2015 · at 11:05 am UTC said:“In order to secure the support of the oligarchs, the Putin regime is ready to place the entire burden of the economic crisis onto the backs of the working class. The Kremlin has intensified its austerity measures.”

I’ve already posted the links on which my opinion/ argument is based – have you got evidence to the contrary (you’ll probably be familiar with – do your own research)

Kat Kan on April 22, 2015 · at 11:05 am UTC said:“Can you show some examples of austerity measures? shifting of burdens to the working class?

Kat Kan on April 22, 2015 · at 11:05 am UTC said:“You are quoting an article from December, when the ruble was falling. In hindsight, can you even show an economic crisis actually resulted from that?”

I don’t care what actually happened – the point is to demonstrate that the administration and the oligarchy (Russian) wouldn’t care if losses were to be burdened via austerity.

Kat Kan on April 22, 2015 · at 11:05 am UTC said:“At the same time, laws are being prepared to protect the fortunes of the oligarchs from the effects of the sanctions. According to the Rotenberg Law—named after Putin’s friend and oligarch Arkadi Rotenberg—…..

Do you know if this law was actually passed? or did it just go through a first reading, as stated in your quoted article?”

If it was prepared that fact is the problem – do you know that it wasn’t passed?

You posted some long quotes from articles stating, among other things,
““In order to secure the support of the oligarchs, the Putin regime is ready to place the entire burden of the economic crisis onto the backs of the working class. The Kremlin has intensified its austerity measures.””

and I asked ““Can you show some examples of austerity measures? shifting of burdens to the working class?”

To which you replied the quotes you posted reflect your opinion, which is based on the articles you posted..

Please consider
1: you have refused to give any evidence of austerity measures or shifting burdens onto the working class
2: the articles you posted gave no evidence either, just made the bald statements we are quoting back and forth.

Therefore I can only assume you have just taken the authors’ word for it and call that your “opinion”. It certainly cannot be an opinion based on the weighing, or even consideration, of facts, as none have been presented, either by you or by the author whose words you quote.

Now I just need to decide whether you are an anti-Russian troll, an anti-Putin troll or just a common garden variety of argumentative troll. Or should I be generous and just assume you don’t understand what you are reading?

Your last link, the Guardian article, actually saysThe widening gulf comes as the World Bank recorded an overall drop in poverty. A report by the bank published on Sunday found the percentage of people in Russia living below the poverty line – meaning those who earn less than 5,900 roubles (£130) per month – fell from 13.2% in 2009 to 12.7% last year. It attributed the fall to increased pensions, public sector wages and benefits for job seekers, and predicted that continuing economic growth would push the figure down to 11.2% this year and 10% next year.

Nothing in the article indicates the increase in very wealthy was caused by austerity measures against the worse off. In fact it mentions increases in various benefits and wages….where do you get austerity out of that?

And finally, do not order me to “do my own research”. I am not asking for facts about austerity, I am asking you to produce some to prove that you HAVE some facts and are not just idly quoting someone who also has not produced any facts.

Your uncritical acceptance of known biased mainstream sources is rather worrying, too, but may help me with my diagnosis.

“You posted some long quotes from articles stating, among other things,
““In order to secure the support of the oligarchs, the Putin regime is ready to place the entire burden of the economic crisis onto the backs of the working class. The Kremlin has intensified its austerity measures.””

and I asked ““Can you show some examples of austerity measures? shifting of burdens to the working class?”

To which you replied the quotes you posted reflect your opinion, which is based on the articles you posted..

Please consider
1: you have refused to give any evidence of austerity measures or shifting burdens onto the working class”

You had previously said:“Kat Kan on April 22, 2015 · at 11:05 am UTC said:
“At the same time, laws are being prepared to protect the fortunes of the oligarchs from the effects of the sanctions. According to the Rotenberg Law—named after Putin’s friend and oligarch Arkadi Rotenberg—…..

Do you know if this law was actually passed? or did it just go through a first reading, as stated in your quoted article?””

To which I replied:

“If it was prepared that fact is the problem – do you know that it wasn’t passed?”

You don’t seem to have realised what I meant. In my opinion the intent of the administration/oligarchy is damning – no matter whether it was passed.

“Gordura has taken another step to revolution.Caught by the balls Western sanctions oligarchs , the government will pay the value of their property.

October 8 in the first reading the state Duma has approved the bill “villas Rotenberg”, involving the payment of compensation to victims of sanctions Russians. Experts innovation is not appreciated.

PALACES BROTHERS RATEBELOW NEAR MOSCOW. By the way-close friends of Putin . Last month, Italian authorities seized property worth 40 million dollars, owned by the Rotenberg, who also came under sanctions.
What is the essence
Under the bill, citizens affected by the unjust decision of a foreign court, are entitled to compensation at the expense of the Federal budget. Explain that in the accompanying documents to the “Rotenberg law” States: “the imposition of foreign courts judgments in cases which should be considered by the Russian courts, “admits intrusion into the jurisdiction of the courts, as well as a violation of sovereignty of the Russian Federation”. “Such judicial acts of foreign courts are recognized manifestly unjust”.
In order to receive financial compensation, which, by the way, determined by the amount of losses suffered by the people, need to apply to a Russian court of General jurisdiction or Arbitration court with the corresponding statement.
The document also noted that compensated from the Federal budget will not only the losses people have suffered, but also those likely to be incurred, i.e. the potential.
The bill also provides for the possibility of application of interim measures for the account of the arrest of the Russian property of foreigners who initiated the illegal sentence of a foreign court.
“If it (the property) is not enough or if it is missing, due to the property of a foreign state, the court which rendered an unjust judicial act,” specified in the explanatory note.
The name of the bill was named after Arkady Rotenberg, a Russian billionaire. As it turned out, the day of the introduction of the document to the state Duma, Rothenberg lost Italian assets worth 30 million euros. In addition, the country was sealed several objects of his estate.
It should be noted, initially, the author of the document, the representative of the lower chamber of the Supreme court Vladimir Ponevejsky, noted that the bill is not about oligarchs, got under sanctions of the USA, and about the residents of Sevastopol and Crimea. The experts are convinced the idea about Federal compensation is another way of officials to enrich themselves.
This huge mansion, valued at bellino dollars , is currently owned by an entrepreneur and owner of the football club Monaco Dmitry Rybolovlev Right on the ocean in Florida has more than 5,500 square meters. More than 50 Parking spaces.
Split
The fact that “it smells like kerosene, felt and representatives of the opposition factions. So things are moving too quickly to adopt the controversial “law Rotenberg”. Turned out that the “United Russia”, in which the majority voted for the introduction of the bill into force, separated from the other parties. Representatives of the CPRF, LDPR, “Fair Russia”, the voice said: the bill turned out to be somehow unfair.
“There are a lot of questions on this law, starting with why such a momentous document one, albeit dear, author, why not the government or the Committee of the state Duma have made him. To help citizens need, but in this case it could be legal assistance, including payment Western lawyers. A huge number of people have suffered from the sanctions, and it companies, and individuals, from the text of the law is unclear who to help, in what manner and to the extent – some issues”, – said Oleg Nilov, Deputy head of the party “Fair Russia”.
“We offer budget be spent on compensation of losses of large corporations and oligarchs, it’s not fair,” protested after Alexei Didenko, first Deputy head of the LDPR.
“We actually encourage vieos of capital from the country in various forms that is not the task of economic policy. From my point of view it would be counterproductive,” said the head of economic development Alexei Ulyukayev.
Society resents
A wave of outrage, the bill has caused not only the opposition, but also in society. Russian bloggers, political analysts and representatives of the business community one after the other spoke in favor of the adoption of the “law Rotenberg” is a real undermining of public faith in the state.
The fact that the money in the Federal budget act including taxes Russians. Accordingly, decent taxpayers will have his own expense “to pay back” the property fell under US sanctions from others.
“The law on compensation of allocating funds from the budget to those who have suffered from the sanctions of the West, looks outright spitting in the direction of the population. It is unclear why the problem of some oligarchs and officials who have Western sanctions take their belongings back-breaking labor, as the spac in the Comedy “Ivan Vasilyevich changes occupation”, should citizens pay. Have no villas on the Azure shores and other useless stuff,” says, for example, a military expert Anatoly Nesmiyan.
Why the “law Rotenberg”?
Experts are convinced currently in Russia there is a very serious tandem of business and government. It is not about the medium and small business, which is very sensitive to any innovation, experimentation, taxes and so on, and about the business major.
Western sanctions will inevitably have affected companies that operate under the authority of the state, and this could not fail to arouse the indignation of the Russian oligarchy. To somehow make amends, the government had to take certain measures that would have made “cool” representatives of the business community.
“Tax on Russian citizens in favor of the rich needs to appease the elite. The authorities are afraid of their rebellion. And Russian society will accept the adoption of the law. Over the last decade, people accustomed: the protests will achieve nothing. This law and other controversial government decisions will be taken passively,” said culture expert Andrey Stolyarov.
There are advantages
West also reacted ambiguously to the “law Rotenberg”. The American media has called the document another party of Russian retaliatory sanctions against the United States. Moreover, analysts of The New York Times believe that the adoption of this bill will give Vladimir Putin a “weapon of retaliation”.
In the case of adoption of a document that will serve as a kind of financial cushion for Russian oligarchs, the West’s attempts to economically pressure on the inner circle of Vladimir Putin can be reversed.
The experts also stressed that the sanctions resulted in a completely unintended consequences. The Russian business community has used them to claim additional payments from the Russian budget.
Now, when will the winter period and in the consideration of the “law Rotenberg”, Europe is hardly dare on another package of sanctions against Russia. The fact that the probability is sufficiently rigid gas response on our part. This is evidenced, for example, an independent analyst Alexei Smirnov.
“About sanctions of the third and fourth group, in our opinion, can be serious only if our troops take Kiev. Currently this facility is purely hypothetical. This is due to the fact that sanctions against Russian private companies with the big share of probability will entail retaliatory sanctions against European companies in Russia. And this is billions of dollars in losses. This is an extreme measure of last resort to prevent war”.
“The widening of the existing sanctions in winter conditions can only be purely symbolic. In winter there is always a risk that in response, Russia could cut off gas supplies to Europe. Therefore, the EU can only threaten new sanctions, but the real introduction to them will not go”.
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Kat Kan on April 22, 2015 · at 4:22 pm UTC said:“2: the articles you posted gave no evidence either, just made the bald statements we are quoting back and forth.

Therefore I can only assume you have just taken the authors’ word for it and call that your “opinion”. It certainly cannot be an opinion based on the weighing, or even consideration, of facts, as none have been presented, either by you or by the author whose words you quote.”

See above

Kat Kan on April 22, 2015 · at 4:22 pm UTC said:“Now I just need to decide whether you are an anti-Russian troll, an anti-Putin troll or just a common garden variety of argumentative troll. Or should I be generous and just assume you don’t understand what you are reading?”

Now I just need to decide whether you are a Russian Nationalist troll or an oligarch (from anywhere).

Kat Kan on April 22, 2015 · at 4:22 pm UTC said:“Your last link, the Guardian article, actually says
The widening gulf comes as the World Bank recorded an overall drop in poverty. A report by the bank published on Sunday found the percentage of people in Russia living below the poverty line – meaning those who earn less than 5,900 roubles (£130) per month – fell from 13.2% in 2009 to 12.7% last year. It attributed the fall to increased pensions, public sector wages and benefits for job seekers, and predicted that continuing economic growth would push the figure down to 11.2% this year and 10% next year.

Nothing in the article indicates the increase in very wealthy was caused by austerity measures against the worse off. In fact it mentions increases in various benefits and wages….where do you get austerity out of that?”

The Guardian link was from 2011, long before sanctions were introduced – long before the austerity I referred to was contemplated – why do you refer to this ?

That aside less poverty does not mean their is less inequality.

Kat Kan on April 22, 2015 · at 4:22 pm UTC said:“And finally, do not order me to “do my own research”. I am not asking for facts about austerity, I am asking you to produce some to prove that you HAVE some facts and are not just idly quoting someone who also has not produced any facts.

Your uncritical acceptance of known biased mainstream sources is rather worrying, too, but may help me with my diagnosis.”

Agreed. Note that all invasions 1950-2015 were done by the US or US clients.
Control has become our national disease, and you can see it in the way that our police officers freak out when disobeyed in the least. Very nice and pleasant, and suddenly they lose it.
Here a detective arrested an attorney in the hall at the courthouse, quite strange–http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/01/29/1360890/-San-Francisco-public-defender-arrested-outside-courtroom-for-defending-her-client-VIDEO

Outrageous, in that video. Yes, authoritarian control is the big thing, and the US policy is ideologically that of empire, with constraints falling away over the years.

A danger is that the US constantly attacking everyone puts other countries on the defensive, and tends to increase authoritarianism there because of the threats and dangers. The fascists convert the entire world into an emergency war zone, and also cause other nations to expend a lot of resources resisting the empire. Russia’s military expense increases are caused by US aggression, for instance. Many of the problems Russia or the USSR had since the revolution were a direct result of the empire attacking it.

“Russia’s financial moguls are mostly former bureaucrats (or their children and cronies) of the Soviet era who quickly became billionaires by virtue of fire-sale privatizations of state industries and other public properties when the Soviet Union collapsed. Contrary to the generally industrious and innovative entrepreneurs of the early stages of capitalism in the West, who were sometimes called revolutionary bourgeoisie, Russia’s oligarchic nouveau-riche have had largely a parasitic economic/financial role. By having scandalously ascended to the commanding heights of Russia’s economy, they have thus made the entire national economy dependent upon and, therefore, vulnerable to the fate or performance of their own fortunes in the marketplace, especially international markets. And since their financial fortunes are significantly vulnerable to economic sanction and other threats by Western powers, so is the entire Russian economy.

In addition to the financial elites in Russia proper, there are also Russian and Russian-speaking oligarchs in Ukraine who once made up the Party of Regions of the deposed President Viktor Yanukovych, and were largely his cronies and loyalistsbut have since his ouster switched loyalty to the new regime in Kiev. The winning or losing of one side or the other in the ongoing crisis in Ukraine is secondary to thesefinancial tycoons; their primary concern is how to preserve their fortunes.

Indeed, they too, like President Putin himself, are weary of the likelihood that the grassroots’ movement of federalists in eastern Ukraine may achieve autonomy and wrest political control from Kiev, thereby threatening their financial fortunes in radical ways. “The dissatisfaction with the oligarchs in the Donbass and Luhansk is great… Social anger is growing, and this will lead to a conflict between the population and the owners of factories and mines,” points out Boris Shmelyov of the Moscow Institute of Economics.Aleksandr Shatilov at Moscow’s Finance University likewise predicts the likelihood of “a war not only against Kyiv but also against the Ukrainian oligarchs” .

Unsurprisingly, Mr. Putin’s and the Russian-Ukrainian oligarch’s concern over the spread and radicalization of the autonomy-seeking movement in eastern Ukraine is also shared by the US and its European allies. This was clearly reflected in a May 12 (2014) editorial by the New York Times (whose editorials usually reflectthe long-term, “non-partisan” geopolitical positions of the US establishment):

“But the gathering rumble of violence accompanying the [autonomy] votes is serious and is driving the Ukrainian crisis in a direction that before long no one — not President Vladimir Putin of Russia, not authorities in Kiev, not the West — will be able to control. . . . The fact that the referendums were held despite Mr. Putin’s urging last week that they be postponed suggests that events are already developing a momentum of their own.”

Despite his nationalist/populist tendencies and affirmations, the fact remains that President Putin has a strong social base among Russia’s financial elites. One of his major concerns in dealing with the crisis in Ukraine and the threat of economic sanctions by Western powers is, therefore, how to preserve the loyalty of the oligarchs “who provide his regime with its social base, in the face of efforts by the US to drive a wedge between the oligarchs and the Kremlin.” This seems to be a decisive factor in Mr. Putin’s moves to seek accommodation with Western powers, which have been escalating economic sanctions and military threats against Russia.

President Putin’s inability or unwillingness to stand up more vigorously to the geopolitical aggressions of the Unites States and its allies stems, therefore, not so much from military weakness, or lack of economic resources per se, as it is from the way its economy has become dependent on oligarch’s economic role and, therefore, on the skittish global markets, or the imperialistic whims of Western powers. Sadly, Russia is not alone in grappling with this dilemma of economic dependency and/or vulnerability to globalization of markets—in essence, to the whims of international financial markets, or the aspirations of the global plutocracy.”

matt janovic on April 21, 2015 · at 7:24 pm UTC said:“It would have been practical and more than justifiable, to move GRU in, to organize a counter-coup and takeover of the South-East on February 21.”

What about Communist China, Communist Soviet Union, Pakistan (the fact that Pakistan’s attempts at invading other countries ended in humiliating defeats and debacles doesn’t mean that they didn’t try). How about non-aligned Uganda,Non-aligned Rwanda invading Congo, Non-aligned Qaddafi’s Libya invading his neighbors, How about Communist Vietnam invading Khmer Communist Cambodia, How about the secular socialist Baathist Iraq of Saddam Hussein invading Iran, How about Peru and Chile invading each other in the 20th century, the list goes on. In most of these examples the invader was neither a democracy, often socialist/communist and often non-imperialist (For example Vietnam’s invasion of Pol Pot’s Cambodia was to stop hostilities between the 2 countries and later to stop Pol Pot’s marxist inspired genocide).

More errors and sweeping generalizations in your theory: name one country India invaded – you can’t. And understand this, a counter-attack into enemy territory after one’s country has been attacked cannot be termed an invasion – so don’t try that canard. Since by that definition the Russians/Soviets invaded Nazi Germany, and present day Russia ‘invaded’ Crimea with Polite Green Men (to uphold constitutional order).

Or how about the laudable “anti-imperialist” Communist paragon, the late Communist Soviet Union’s penchant for invading countries (countries like, say, Czechoslovakia (or have you forgotten about that?), Hungary and the graveyard of empires, Afghanistan)?

India invaded East Pakistan,now Bangladesh. I don’t condemn that invasion since it helped free them from being slaughtered during their revolt against Pakistan.But none the less it was an invasion and you asked for the name of a time India invaded another country.

India did not attack until after Pakistan bombed Indian airbases in Western India (Indian Punjab mainly). It’s only after that “Ukro-Nazi” like boneheaded move of the Pakistani Junta under President/General Yahya Khan that India launch a full attack to liberate East-Pakistan from President Nixon-supported/instigated genocide in East-Pakistan (now Bangladesh). This was followed by Indian counter air-strikes and mechanized infantry attacks against West Pakistan.

See my original contention, you can’t term something an invasion when it’s in response to a military attack by the opponent.

As an aside tidbit regard American Military Jets vs Russian/Soviet jets: The US-built jets fared quite poorly against Soviet jets:

The American combat jets (F-104) and tactics of the Pakistani airforce fared poorly against the Soviet built MiGs and tactics of the Indian airforce. It only took a few days before the Indians gained air superiority over Pakistan in both Western and Eastern Fronts.

The exception confirms the rule: it would appear that, in our time, God has given to Western democracies and their agents the exclusive authority to wage war across borders.
The US could not invade Vietnam—they were invited.
Same deal for USSR in Hungary and Afghanistan. Czechoslovakia could be an exception, but the Russkis were there already, and you cannot invade a country where you already are.
Uganda’s civil war spilled into Tanzania, and Libya intervened in favor of Uganda. Not clear case of invasion there.
Rwanda got involved in complicated neighbouring wars, same for Libya.
Vietnam certainly entered Cambodia, after the Khmer Rouge initiated a border war.
China invaded Vietnam as a US agent, with us approval and encouragement.
Iraq invaded Iran as agent of US-Saudis.
Football war and other South-American wars were border incidents more than planned invasions.
India invaded Goa and East Pakistan, the former for bad reasons, the latter for good reasons.

Matt your contention was that only “Imperial” democracies and US protected Islamic countries invade countries. That argument has been factually demolished.

In addition, it is not invasion (expansionist or unprovoked) when your opponent militarily attacks you first, in the case of the 1971 Indo-Pak war, Pakistan attacked first, by bombing Indian airfields, it is only after this event that the Indian military got the green light to crush the genocidal Pakistani-Army in East-Pakistan. Yes it is true that the Indians were waiting for the Pakistanis to make this boneheaded move, but it doesn’t change the facts that the Pakistani military attacked first. I suspect Russia, is currently, following the exact same strategy with the Ukrainian Junta (no overt attack until the Junta or their backers do something militarily overt against Russia – until then like the Indians did in East Pakistan, support the local liberation struggle by keeping the Voentorg open).

The attitude of the West Pakistani Junta and army towards the East-Pakistani people (Bangladesh people) was Imperial, colonial and later genocidal (East Pakistan produced the majority of “Pakistan’s” exports and foreign income, yet almost all profits from the East was sent to West Pakistan, in addition, even though East Pakistan/Bangladesh held a majority of the population, they received a tiny fraction of foreign aid with the bulk going to West-Pakistan. This and the subsequent genocide the West Pakistani army and Junta committed against East Pakistan/Bangladesh was fully backed by US Administration of Richard Nixon -that situation reminds me a lot about the current situation in Ukraine). The Indian action was about anti-imperialistic as you can get: they liberated the East Pakistanis, turned power over to them in less than 2 months and left. They defeated and humiliated the so-called Imperial designs of that Apex Imperialist US President Richard Nixon as well as his war-criminal Secretary of State Henry-Kissinger (Mr Operation Condor).

Regarding the Indian liberation of Goa from Portuguese Imperial colonial rule: the decision to prepare and assault to eject the Portuguese Imperial forces was triggered by the massacre 30 Indian civilians engaged in protests against Portuguese Imperial rule on th Goan border. You can’t have it both ways, characterizing India as Imperial democracy that invades countries and then ignoring the facts in the cases that you allege, India was liberating people from Western colonial forces (Imperial in the case of the Portuguese Empire, and hegemonic in the case of a US cold-war genocidal satrapi known as West-Pakistan).

Fist of all, let me start by stating you are not Orthodox Christian. There are no orthodox Christians in Deccan Plateau in India, only Hindus and Muslims. You could of course be atheist or agnostic, but I very much doubt that.IO think I remember seeing your name once or twice previously here, and I remember you said you were Hindu (I have excellent memory). Either way, whatever religion you might be, you are Indian without any doubt.

Now on the matter of your other lies you have spewed there: only country Soviets have ever attacked was Afghanistan. Those European countries you mentioned (Czechoslovakia and Hungary)were all part of Warsaw Pact, and as a part of that pact communist party in those countries (it was not Soviet communist party, but Czechoslovakian and Hungarian communist party) had the right as well as an obligation to call on armies of their allies in Warsaw Pact should such need arise (in case West managed to stir unrest, which they did manage to do) to restore order, and since Czechoslovakia and Hungary didn’t have army,they called upon Soviets to restore order and USSR responded. If we in Yugoslavia were part of Warsaw Pact, we too could have called on help of Warsaw Pact allies (not that we needed one since we had pretty powerful army). It was not an aggression, Indian, just it’s not an aggression, or invasion as you put it, reunification of Crimea with her motherland Russia. I have never heard that someone overwhelmingly voted (96% of Crimeans voted for unification with their motherland just like they did 20 yrs ago when they first voted for unification) for invasion or attack on themselves. But it is aggression if someone unwanted, unwelcomed or unrequested comes attacking your country, bombing you to stone age and kill your people en masse, like Americans have done since WW2 (over 80% of all armed conflicts since WW2,in which around 30 million people have died, is a product of American aggression; those 2 million Vietnamese who died in American aggression on their country (many hundreds of thousands if not millions in French aggression on their country prior to American one, or so called First Indo-China war) had not asked or voted for American attack, Indian. You are clearly out of your mind, Indian, but that’s what you get from and idiot and a liar. [..name-calling removed: it is rude, against the rules, and detracts from your facts]

“Czechoslovakian and Hungarian communist party had the right as well as an obligation to call on armies of their allies in Warsaw Pact should such need arise (in case West managed to stir unrest, which they did manage to do) to restore order,”

RS, should call yourself RSovic, then everyone could follow your line of reasoning better. Our approach to the world tends to flow from what we saw and heard at home as children.

This argument can be used to excuse anglo operations to deal with “unrest” in Greece, 1944-1950 or the Gladio operations to save Italy from falling, democratically, out of the loving hands of NATO.

Gladio operation was a covert, false flag attack of American intel agency CIA. Those sorts of false flags Western intel agencies regularly carry. It has nothing to do with the matter of discussion, and I wasn’t defending Warsaw Pact policy, only stated what one of the first chapters of Warsaw Pact policy – as well as NATO policy today – was. If today some members of North Atlantic Terrorist Organization requires help for suppressing social unrest at home, other NATO members are obliged to help. It stands so on the very first chapters of the formal NATO document and every member state parliament has ratify it. If you have problem with that, it’s not me you should direct your protest to. By the logic of that Indian commentator, NATO Pact member West Germany has committed aggression, or invasion as he stated, on an Warsaw Pact member East Germany by their unification in the ’90s. Only idiots could even think of something like that. Have to say, you are not much brighter than that Indian guy. Both of you are living on the West among predominantly libtardic population there, right? It shows. Stupidity defines you.

Come on, my observation was friendly, it was not a personal attack. I just suggested mentioning ethnicity, to explain statements. My people are also came from the Yugoslav lands, and what my Grandma told me had effect on me.

I read the Atlantic Charter, and failed to note any mention of internal disorder or conflict. I had hoped it would; sadly it didn’t.

The original discussion was over the issue of invasion, which is different from aggression. The US did not invade Nicaragua, it invaded Panama. Both events were aggressions. The USSR did not invade Hungary, but it committed aggression against it.

Did Amurica had an agreement with Caribbean and South American countries they send their army to? Are those countries part of North Atlantic Terrorist Organization? No. Completely opposite was true with Hungary. Hungary had an agreement with USSR and other members of Warsaw pact and it was legal under international law for USSR to send their army there, just like it will be legal for North Atlantic terrorist to send their NATO army, which behaves like private army of their oligarchs anyway, to any member state of NATO. USSR did commit transgression against the will of Hungarian people… perhaps. We do not know what majority of Hungarian people would say. But no aggression.There can be no parallels between the examples “of aggressions” you are mentioning. Perhaps you should lay down a bit and rest. You must be pretty exhausted from such strenuous thinking.

You seem to be very bitter. Is it due to the fact that the ideology you invested your life in turned out to be a complete and utter failure? There isn’t anything more stupid on this planet than willful stupidity: Someone who goes out of their way to be stupid or ignorant no matter how in contradiction to reality that individual’s unintelligent or poorly thought-out views are or life ideology is.

You can usually tell if someone is insecure about their own intelligence or abilities (or subconsciously understand their own mediocrity) if they self describe themselves as intelligent, having an “extremely” sharp memory (laughable) and are full of themselves. Of course, lets not forget the obvious sign of fixating on your interlocutors race or ethnicity only further underscores your insecurity and weakness. It’s borderline sick to keep referring a user solely by an ethnic term such as “Indian”.

It seems obvious both that Matt Janovic and user 3 Cents are above you intellectually and emotionally. You just have to accept the bitter truth of the impotence your geopolitical situation and political ideology.

Aw!? Did I offend your religious/ideological sensibilities? If I did I am sooo sorry, really. Seriously.

I hate for you to feel upset but I didn’t read your response beyond a snippit of the 2nd paragraph, guess why? My attention was drawn to the blue comments by the moderator (and your words that reflect badly on you near those comment), it’s seems that you engaged in vulgar ad-hominem attacks. That pretty much sinks your credibility and therefore your argument when you use terms like “idiot and liar” (your words, not mine) don’t hesitate to stand in front of a mirror and look straight into it.

According to the only sentence of your response that I actually read:

Now on the matter of your other lies you have spewed there: only country Soviets have ever attacked was Afghanistan.

Last I checked the Soviet Union was not an Imperial Democracy, and according to your own words they did indeed invade Afghanistan. Therefore, the argument that only “Imperial” democracies (whatever that means) invade countries is demolished by your own admission. Facts that was my only real point, not the emotional bleatings of ideological fundamentalists.

There’s no point in discussing facts with adherents to irrational ideological fanaticism, I might as well engage in a debate with a Wahhabi Islamist.

“From 1924, however, and the rise of Stalin to the leadership of the party, theories such as ‘socialism in one country’ were fundamental breaks from the Marxist heritage of the party. A new ‘class’ of bureaucrats developed that acted like a capitalist class and exploited the working class once more. In 1928 the first ‘Five Year Plan’ indicated that the new emphasis was on capital accumulation. The so-called ‘Old Bolsheviks’ were discredited, arrested and/or executed. Workers’ rights were withdrawn and workers resumed their subordinate role. The state was strengthened as the leaders sought economic and military power. In short, there had been an internal counter-revolution that had given up the ideas of Marx and returned to capitalism, albeit in a new form.”

I agree. They, the Russian military and local men – Polite Green Men – saved the people of Crimea from being butchered by a bunch evil brainless Nazi-loving scum spewing out of Kiev.

The fact that it was a beautifully executed and seemless military operation does not in any way change the fact that it was a military operation, albeit provoked by the clear overt action of the Kiev Junta to violate a security agreement with Russia and violate Russian sovereignty (Russian Crimean military bases).

“ Gilbert: There is one difference. In a democracy, the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States only Congress can declare wars.”

In the US they got around that pesky “democratic” requirement that only Congress can declare war quite simply, by only fighting undeclared wars. Bet you Gilbert never saw that coming. But Goring was light years ahead of him.

us army is used to destabilize other nations so that the elites from those countries are made to flee with their stolen wealth to be parked in british tax havens and in england which is world center of money and drug laundering .
without destablisations there would be no free stolen money to the parasite english nation and its satellite usa.

No Americans won’t “…ask themselves a simple question: are we really that stronger and that smarter than Napoleon and Hitler were?

It won’t happen. The reach and power of the idiot tube over the American psyche is complete. American’s have drank the Koolaid and totally believe their own propaganda. Thats why the US media and government don’t really lie anymore they just bullshit.

Of course there is a large number of American’s who are not part of this sheeple mass. They think for themselves. But they are relatively so few that its hard to meet them anywhere but online. It is easy for the US elites to bring the American people to do their bidding. Any bidding.

Therefore the on rushing war can only be avoided if Russia and China can delay it long enough for the US to collapse of its own internal contradictions, or Europe (east or west) finds the guts to revolt. Or a fullscale revolt comes from a completely unexpected direction e.g Africa.

I am not so sure. I lecture widely in the US and speak to tthousands of Americans, in most of the states, on a fairly regular basis. I can count on the fingers of one hand those who still believed in the US government line on anythiing, from 9:11 to the evil Rooskies.
the general attitude to their political class is one of hatred, mistrust and contempt. Even in the Mid-West (aka flyover country), these are the prevailing attitudes.

Glad to hear it. Perhaps people will stop participating in the system.
One analogy: with Stalin’s death, residents of the GuLags – both guards and prisoners just walked away. I’m not optimistic but the great difficulty is that the feedback mechanisms ( with the exception of the net) are totally comprimised.

The point is not whether Americans believe the US government, the vast majority say they don’t, its whether the US government can get them to believe what it wants them to believe.

There is a difference there. Consider advertising. The vast majority of Americans say that their purchase decisions are not affected by advertising. Research and experience shows that they are. The vast majority of Americans think and believe as they are told by their government, media and elites. They don’t know this is so, but thats the beauty of the whole system. Just like advertising and PR.

Notice how any country/leader targeted by the US government quickly zooms to the top of the hate list for Americans. This despite the people not trusting their government. Even the very notion of don’t trust the government is an Americanism thats been implanted by the elites and various government administrations typically Republican ones.

Whenever I challenge ordinary Americans to tell me the reasons they hate Gaddafi, Saddam, Assad, Iran, North Korea, Putin, Russia, Chavez etc etc there is always either no coherent reason or some propaganda myth pulled straight out of TV.

I too have spoken to thousands of Americans all over the US, spent much time in colleges and universities, on both sides of the desk, and have lived here for over 20 years (in flyover country for many years now). What I have observed is that the vast majority of Americans, over 95% for sure, are interventionists. They love a good war in somebody else’s country. The only difference between them is the reasons for intervention.

For the majority of people only humanitarian, which is to say white man’s burden, reasons justify an intervention. For many others straight out imperialist reasons are enough. But the bottom line is that all those people believe in the “divine” right of the US to intervene wherever and whenever it can come up with the appropriate reasons.

But America is not homogeneous. There are Americans who are not part of this mass of sheeple. But they are too few and are, as The Saker calls them, “submarines in the desert”.

Lets hope that these few can somehow influence the US to sanity. But I doubt it.

I am from the US and I can vouch for what Ngoyo is saying. Although it may be true that most Americans distrust the government, they are still under the impression that their (favorite) media are ‘independent’. But outside the internet, truly independent media are getting harder and harder to find. Most Americans don’t realize that the MSM are all part of the same system now. And since very few of them have any grasp of world history, it would be virtually impossible for them to effectively evaluate the stuff that the media report from abroad.

The other problem is even deeper. There is something truly cult-like about their belief that the US as a nation represents some kind of universal ideal–call it the ‘end of history’ or ‘the last best hope for mankind’ or whatever you want. The vast majority–left, right and center–cling doggedly to this belief. Thus, they do not gladly tolerate systems or cultures that are different from their own and can be easily made to fear, despise or even hate other countries more or less on command. Sad but true…

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Spanish–American War
Male Spanish officials strip search an American woman tourist in Cuba looking for messages from rebels; front page “yellow journalism” from Hearst (Artist: Frederic Remington)
Pulitzer’s treatment in the World emphasizes a horrible explosion
Hearst’s treatment was more effective and focused on the enemy who set the bomb—and offered a huge reward to readers
Main article: Propaganda of the Spanish–American War

Pulitzer and Hearst are often adduced as the cause of the United States’ entry into the Spanish–American War due to sensationalist stories or exaggerations of the terrible conditions in Cuba.[19] However, the vast majority of Americans did not live in New York City, and the decision-makers who did live there probably relied more on staid newspapers like the Times, The Sun, or the Post. The most famous example of a claim is the apocryphal story that artist Frederic Remington telegrammed Hearst to tell him all was quiet in Cuba and “There will be no war.” Hearst responded “Please remain. You furnish the pictures and I’ll furnish the war.” Historians now believe that no such telegrams ever were sent.[20][21]

But Hearst became a war hawk after a rebellion broke out in Cuba in 1895. Stories of Cuban virtue and Spanish brutality soon dominated his front page. While the accounts were of dubious accuracy, the newspaper readers of the 19th century did not expect, or necessarily want, his stories to be pure nonfiction. Historian Michael Robertson has said that “Newspaper reporters and readers of the 1890s were much less concerned with distinguishing among fact-based reporting, opinion and literature.”[22]
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I live in the US, and unfortunately, my experience is much different than yours. I’ve met very few people who have bothered to think beyond the MSM caricatures of Russia and Putin, to the extent that they can be bothered to think of of the matter at all. You must be lecturing to very special audiences ;-)

It never ceases to amaze me that (again, in my experience) so many Americans who deeply distrust their government and its media on all matters domestic, still swallow, without question, all propaganda fed to them with respect to foreign policy issues.

“It never ceases to amaze me that (again, in my experience) so many Americans who deeply distrust their government and its media on all matters domestic, still swallow, without question, all propaganda fed to them with respect to foreign policy issues.”

Gayle, this behaviour — very common in the EU as well — is driven by the ever stronger sense the Western petty bourgeoisie has of being thrown into the dustbin by their formerly deeply revered betters. The latters’ racism and imperialism have never posed any problem whatsoever to their lesser domestic creatures; just the opposite. What is a problem is that, unlike classical fascism, neoliberalism and neoconservatism are not just highly arrogant, vile, and brutal — they are hard-core elitist as well. Too much even for the Western petty bourgeoisie to put up with. Hence, Joe and Jane Sixpack along with their European kith and kin are left with a feeling of betrayal and, indeed, unrequited love but nowhere near any sense of common hardship with the world’s downtrodden and oppressed or any sympathy for anti-Western nationalist forces.

In plain language: Too damn stupid, backwards, and spoiled rotten to be of any use whaysoever in the global struggle for emancipation.

Americans, Westerners, and First Worlders in general have a sense of imperial entitlement. This is true of the 99%–not just the 1%.

“We the People” are angry at the elites for SELFISH reasons.

Namely, We The People want a *greater cut* of the spoils of empire.

We The People do NOT oppose empire–except for self-serving reasons like it’s costing us too much in blood and treasure or that we might fight an opponent (like Russia) who will give us a taste of our own medicine and kick our asses back to Kingdom Come.

So hoping against hope that Americans will “wake up” is a suicidal pipe dream.

In many ways, Americans ARE awake.

We The People damn well understand that our very way of life and standard of living are based upon Empire since at least 1776 and 1492.

This the cognitive dissonance, and is like Stockholm Syndrome or an abused spouse. The knowledge is there, under the surface, but the people are in denial — which is a reason why George Carlin was so successful and applauded for telling the simple truth (and why people could walk out of the theater after the ‘show’ and forget what they knew again).

Thank you for this observation about the people of the US, it’s encouraging. When I moved to the States from Europe it was at the height of the Vietnam war, and the world despised the US, although Americans had no idea of this. I despised it too, and had no intention of staying. And yet when I started traversing the country and dealing with the people I discovered a US completely different from the US as seen from outside.

It’s true, and well noted, that people inside the US don’t go outside much, and see outside even less. But I know it was once true also that people from outside the US don’t see inside it at all well either. Even in this global age, I haven’t seen any compelling evidence that this has changed.

I’m not so sure it matters either way how gullible the American populace is with regards to the geopolitical enterprises and ambitions of the American government. If the cost of Washington’s imperial ambitions become too prohibitive, Washington will reconsider and either adjust its vector accordingly or be forced to break in the face of reality. It is unreasonable and naive to expect them to pretend to be powerless or act from a position of weakness if they can afford to play the role of the uncompromising hegemon. If the world of Russia for that matter wI’m not so sure it matters either way how gullible the American populace is with regards to the geopolitical enterprises and ambitions of the American government. If the cost of Washington’s imperial ambitions become too prohibitive, Washington will reconsider and either adjust its vector accordingly or be forced to break in the face of reality. It is unreasonable and naive to expect them to pretend to be powerless or act from a position of weakness if they can afford to play the role of the uncompromising hegemon. If the world of Russia for that matter wishes for American imperialism to stop, they’ll have to make them stop. In Ukraine for instance, the side that relents, will do so because it simply cannot afford to continue the confrontation. That side will give way because it’s is the weaker. I think it is safe to say now after all this slaughter that the time is long past when either Russia or the USA can pretend to care enough sentimentally about the average Ukrainian to take a loss. All the propaganda fog with exalt stations of nuclear superiority and bullets that fly backwards cannot conceal any longer the reason why one of the principal parties to this conflict folds. They will only quit when one side is truly broken, not before.average Ukrainian to take a loss. All the propaganda fog with exalt stations of nuclear superiority and bullets that fly backwards cannot conceal any longer the reason why one of the principal parties to this conflict folds. They will only quit when one side is truly broken, not before.

“ If the cost of Washington’s imperial ambitions become too prohibitive, Washington will reconsider and either adjust its vector accordingly or be forced to break in the face of reality.

The issue, of course is what does “too prohibitive” mean? nuclear war? destruction of much of the world? killing millions of people? Who will bear this cost? The US or the rest of the world? If the confrontation ends when one side is broken, which side will it be? The US or the world?

The gullibility of the US public matters because to paraphrase Arundhati Roy they have access to the emperor’s bed chamber. If they came out in their millions and refused to fight the wars or load the bombs it would be all over. Oh well, one can always dream.

It will stop when people in the US (or at least the policy leaders) are certain that nukes will fall directly inside the US in vast numbers.The US volunteer military has removed the personal feel to the wars it gets into.Unless one of the soldiers is a relative you frankly don’t care.Unless the people in the US understand that pushing for a war with Russia will bring the war directly to them they won’t wake up.As long as they think the war will be in Russia or Europe (anywhere except the US).They will think “wow,that’s a shame.But that “Putler” must be stopped somehow.But if people in LA,Chicago,New York,Boston,Philadelphia,Washington,Atlanta,Miami,Houston,Dallas,Denver,etc. Understand that for a fact nukes will fall directly on their cities,killing everyone for 50 miles around.Then you would see the biggest anti-war movement in history inside the US.They will quickly ask themselves what they are doing messing around in Ukraine for.You might even see the government fall unless they stopped their actions for war.So that is the bottom-line.The US population must be made to understand that that is what war would mean for them “personally”.

Saker,
What’s your definition of winning? Every time a US bombs explodes somebody makes money. If an F 16 gets shot down is GenDyn going to say ‘Oh No!’?
Externally things are bad enough for US/NATO. What’s more dangerous is the economic Sword of Damacles within the US/EU. Even a Grexit might trigger a massive credit default swap. Tic tok.
There’s a massive agitprop preparing the prols for something, I dont see anything in the West to even slow the drum beat to war.
US entry into WW 1&2 was weakly justified at best but it served its’ purpose. I would argue that that leadership was more rational than what exits today.
After 911 – any concept of rationality is without merit.

Thank you for your analysis Saker. As usual you raise fundamental questions that cannot fail to elicit animated discussions.

It is clear that the hegemon, the empire of illusions, is unable to question its delusions. This is not possible for people who have reached the psychotic stage. They need outside intervention. There are too many variables involved and the US governance system is dysfunctional with no possibility of correction; at least at this time. The US population is totally zombified, and its brain has stop functioning a long time ago. For example, I recently tried to warn good fellow Canadians that the current situation deserves their attention because it is extremely serious. In two separate cases, no kidding, the following dialogue took place:

This Russian guy, what is his name…?
You mean Vladimir Putin?
Ah yes, this Putin has invaded Ukraine and the US is protecting the country.

There are many of us from all over the world who understand what is happening, but the world has turned into a gigantic desert.

From this summary there are two possibilities: a tipping point is reached and all hell break loose, or the US looses its steam and the machine stops.

a) I will not talk about the coming potential war. If it happens, we are all in trouble and the living may envy the dead.

b) The second possibility is that the lifeline of the US may stop before the war breaks out. The financial system is the USA Achilles heels. I will provide two examples of current analyses, although dozens are available, and most are consistent in their conclusions:

1) We are witnessing the disintegration of the very structures of the post-war economic order of which the IMF and the World Bank have constituted two major pillars.

In view of this short analysis, Russia has taken the right approach: buy time, avoid open conflicts, strengthen the military, consolidate its position in the world, exit the US controlled financial system, and let the giant bleed until it chooses to lay down its weapons.

It seems there always some other game to be played to keep the system crawling along. QE, CDS, margin calls – anything to kick the can down the road, or perhaps to screw the relief valve on the pressure cooker on tighter (Boston pun intended).

The US are hard to predict. I think they feel that they have only limited time left do finally overthrow Russia (maybe 5, max. 10 years), in a world of changing powers. It is unclear if they will finally accept the existence of an “non-western” (or “anti-western”) Russia, or if they will react as in WW2, when the decided to close the pacific front line the “dirty way” by throwing two nuclear bombs on civilians. (BTW, I am 100% sure that the next nuclear assault will again come from the US, no matter where it will hit).
Any type of invasion would not make sense under any circumstances. I guess their main target will be destabilization from the inside; the actual sanctions war was a first attempt at this. The actual “demonization” of Putin and Russia is not meant to prepare a war, but to finalize the transformation of the EU into a military alliance, led by the US’ vasalls Germany and UK.
At the moment the US are the only state that claims absolute supremacy (maybe except some islamic fundamentalists), which makes their foreign politics highly un-moralic, and also quite psychopathic. China, India, and Russia do not start from such a preposition, which could make the coming “multipolar world” a much better place that the actual hegemony by the US.

At the risk of boring you, I reiterate that what’s key here are the concepts of Western imbecility and depravity, firmly rooted in 500+ years of unbridled Western parasitism. Barry Richard McCaffrey above is just another two-bit Western lowlife spouting the standard tripe duly provided by our dear “Judeo-Christian” (NB: strong emphasis on the first part of this little lovely compound) ruling imperialist bourgeoisie. After all, ideologically devoted people like those serving in the armed wing of Western imperialism are not renowned for mocking their own imbecilic propaganda — even without their paychecks we have to understand that like draws to like, after all.

Moreover, I may be pardoned for revealing a “dirty little secret” to the readership while we’re at it: The main reason as to why Western imperialist propaganda never ever can dispense with all these boring, silly pejoratives such as terrorist, dictator, KGB thug, Islamofascist, Anti-semite, rogue state etc. etc. is because the bourgeoisie doesn’t approve of the much simpler, yet 100% scientifically accurate, concept of class enemy. Every now and then, I entertain myself by searching the Internet providing the name of the slandered country or leader along with the compound “class enemy”.(quotation marks included). The presence of the MSM sewer is all but nil in the search results I get on this basis.

Dear Saker, it seems you have had a change of heart. You, who has kept us all hopeful during the particularly worrying time by asserting that there would never be a war between NATO and Russia. Every time we freaked out, you reassured us. Now you are not that sure anymore… Oh dear. Coming from you, this is very worrying indeed.

You said “All of the above is absolute and total nonsense.”
Being born in the Bronx I prefer the technical term: ‘horseshit”. (This may also be an old cavalry term, or derived from the days of the horse and buggy when the real stuff was so prevalent on the streets that everyone was familiar with the concept.) This is different from nonsense in that there is sense behind it — gathering support for aggression and thieving, as gangsters might do, without being too overt about it. Bullshit might be benign — maybe just for fun — and is a lesser quality of evil. Back in the old days in the Bronx people knew the correct term, however.

You said “These are two parallel worlds which never touch each other: real life, and “life” inside the American TV set.
The big question is: which one will prevail?”

No question: reality always prevails. That’s why it’s called ‘reality’. That reality might be a war, or revolution, or something else, but anything else said about what will happen, is happening, or did happen falls under that Bronx technical term: horseshit. It’s a long of string of weaponized lies, often told with a smile, and is sometimes used to try to distract a victim while one makes the move to knife him. To survive in the Bronx no one could fail to be ‘street smart’ and recognize what was happening, and which gang was involved in which turf war. Even 60 or 70 years later I suspect that’s still true — maybe more so now than ever.

Regardless of what the victim is told, the reality is that he still ends up bleeding to death on the curb unless he takes appropriate action. Reality always has the last word — and finding that out the hard way instead of having the street smarts to see it coming, is not recommended.

McCaffrey’s statement is one example of that technical term. Here’s more I just read about (typical gangster):

http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/04/normal-0-false-false-false-en-us-x-none_21.html
SBU: “Ukrainophobes” ought to “lower their rhetoric to zero”
April 21, 2015
Vasiliy Vovk, the Director of the Main Investigative Directorate of the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) gave advice to people whom he referred to as “Ukrainophobes”. In his view, given the recent high-profile killings in the country, such people ought to lower their tone for their own safety.

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J.Hawk’s Comment: In related news, in Odessa a son recorded his father’s criticism of the Ukrainian government and delivered the recording to the local SBU office, with the effect of the father being arrested and charged with separatism. The son was then assaulted by his older brother, ending up in a hospital with broken ribs and a concussion. The older brother is in hiding.

Also in related news, when asked about the danger from right-radical parties in Ukraine, Vovk answered simply that it does not exist, as the SBU has no information about the existence of any such parties.

It is all about the Dollar,Russia and China(and a lot of other countries)are responsible.What is USA without the dollar printed out of thin air with no limit(QE)?Nothing,maximum a limited power,confined to North America.Why Russian and Chinese are they financing the US army by buying T Bonds(with no real value)?Why has Russia a Rothchild’s central bank?Untill this ‘problem’ is not solved once and for all,the US will go ahead with endless chaos and wars,even better financed by their ennemies…

Getting rid of the fith column is top priority,but it seems impossible even for Putin.

Neither Napoleon nor Hitler possessed absolute mastery of the lanes of commerce/ the worlds oceans. The U.S navy’s dominance of this key strategic high ground is what makes strangling Russia while simultaneously neutralizing her military defenses possible, and cheaper for the USA than those who previously sought to subdue Russia in a bygone age. Add to that, Russia no longer has the traditional defense of strategic depth. Ukraine and Georgia’s shadow NATO status took away that shield.

The largest Country on the planet doesn’t have strategic depth? Are you joking? What military did you study in? Controlling/Blocking shipping lanes using Carrier battlegroups is only effective against non-nuclear powers, neutered Satrapies (Japan) and non-ICBM capable nuclear powers – certainly not against a country like Russia with its massive ICBM and tactical nuke capability.

A naval blockade of the type you’re alluding to is unthinkable (and unnecessary) against Russia, the minute you try to use that capability against a Nuclear Superpower, you lose all future leverage and strategic maneuverability. That’s why the West uses virtual blockades, called sanctions, instead of physical blockades. Virtual blockages cannot be destroyed by tactical nukes and are far less likely to provoke an open nuclear war.

1. By strategic depth I mean Moscow, St. Petersburg and the major population centers of Russia are less than 500miles from the frontier. They used to have the Baltics, Ukraine and other USSR satelite states as a buffer, which saved stalin’s Russia and imperial Russia in napoleons day. Without these buffers, your nuclear arsenal defense becomes nothing but a toothless bluff, it is safer to wage nuclear war when your population centers are far removed from the battlefield. Russia is the biggest country in Europe, true- except most of it is uninhabitable tundra and aren’t where the population centers are.
Why bother fighting to keep Ukraine if Russia has sufficient strategic depth. Isn’t that one of the key geo-strategic reasons for this conflict?
2. I never said a physical blockade, but since you mention it, Russia won’t strike U.S carrier groups strangling it because it would invite retaliation in kind to its cities, this is why the nuclear bluff is ineffective. What’s to stop a similarly armed U.S from a nuclear retaliation, they’re just as heavily armed. Besides, control of the sea lanes means Russia’s allies, who’s shipping on the high seas are vulnerable cannot lift a finger in support of Russia for fear of crippling their own commerce. This is the real threat behind what you call virtual sanctions. Without this, all those countries in the UN would need not fear the U.S bullying. It is you who have your geopolitical strategy confused. My logic is sound and is supported by the fact that Russia hasn’t attacked any U.S. Assets anywhere. Where is your evidence that the U.S fears Russia’s nuclear arsenal?

Whether the US fears Russia’s nuke or not, they are not a bluff. They will use them if pushed to it, and the US and EU will be devastated, as well as a great deal of or all of the world from the consequences. The west is like a dump truck playing chicken with a freight train, and it had better get off the track it’s on.

There is also the unknown factor of anti-missile missiles, and electronic weapons, with indications that the one’s Russia has are very good.

Do not think of nuclear war as anything like a conventional war, or that it can analyzed in anything like the same terms.

That is where the Silk Road comes in.There is no need for shipping in reality.All Russia needs to import and export can be done by land.True it would cut off Latin America unless Russia’s subs came into play.But the vast majority of trade can be done without the use of even one ship.And the way you know that NATO fears Russia’s nukes is because they haven’t attacked Russia.You are right about the depth though.One of the main reasons Ukraine can’t be left to the junta and NATO.And hopefully won’t be.

Based on your logic, when can we expect Russia to stop wasting money on nukes?

Also, do you really think that China isn’t helping Russia during this period of struggle? For warfighting, money, guns, and industrial production are key. So China only has two.

More fundamentally, I think you are misreading Russia’s strategy. It isn’t that they couldn’t pull off a terror attack in Saudi Arabia or gin up trouble in Turkey, it is that they are trying to build an alliance of the elites around the world to head towards a world not dominated by the Anglo-American establishment. The goal is not to fight all over the place.

One of the many (not one) reasons to fight for the Ukraine is to prevent US first-strike systems from coming into Kharkov. The Urals need a bit more distance, distance they have from the Baltics.

Furthermore your contention that the US would retaliate against Russian cities if Russia dared break a US blockade on them using either a tactical nuke or their deadly supersonic sea skimming missiles or a shkval torpedo (i.e. a military solution), is so ridiculous and bereft of logic that it escapes description. I have too much respect for the United States and their commanders to think that they they operate at the level of an amateur “World-of-Warcraft” gamer. It isn’t their style to engage Russia in a head-on military confrontation, they know they’d lose and lose very badly (after which their global leverage would likely be destroyed). Their method is to systematically try to destabilize, divide, distract, surround, spread thin, sabotage, economically bleed and balkanize their opponent, in preparation for an attack: i.e. weaken an opponent to a point where a military blow may not even be necessary. It’s quite a logical and effective mechanism and not even Putin complains about this, because he knows that all of these are tools used in war. Till now the US & allies have never taken on a foe directly that they know has the military means to beat them (such as Russia).

Here’s a simply real world example that further disproves your point: When the US Naval attack force was approaching Syria to launch air-strikes, what did they do when confronted with a Russian naval task force that stood in the way? They turned back! Why? Because the US military and backroom-managment is not populated with idiots, it’s made of some very intelligent individuals (perhaps also ruthless, calculating and dispassionate too – assets in a strategic thinker); individuals who would make you and I look like children in comparison. They weren’t about to risk a confrontation that could lead to nuclear war, so they blinked and turned back.

That might not fit with false bravado thinking but it correlates with reality.

The US has set-up such a sophisticated network of economic levers that, just as user 2 Cents said, they don’t need to physically block goods from reaching or leaving Russia, they can just block them from even leaving port via multilateral trade sanctions, banking blocks, currency flows and counter legislation. They resort to this because the alternative (physical blockade) is impossible because Russia would obliterate any force that tried, and this might escalate to a zero sum game. Also, it’s kind of hard to impose physical blockades on country that shares a huge inland border with the world’s largest and most efficient (cheap is efficient) manufacturer of consumer and industrial goods, China (and is also the world’s second largest energy consumer). – not to mention all the other countries that surround Russia that would act as a conduit for Russia’s exports and imports.

The planners and strategists in the United States are much too smart (at least up to now) to choose such a simplistic tactic, that’s why they focus on trade flows to block economic activity. Now if your argument is that the US is no longer controlled by bright and competent individuals; i.e. instead controlled by people who would be stupid enough to rush head on into a direct overt military confrontation with Russia, then you might (emphasis on might) have an argument. However, so far I haven’t seen any evidence that the real people that control the US and it’s politico-military elite have suddenly become stupid – quite the contrary.

I cite one of the speakers, a renown NYT historian:
“Have we isolated and humiliated Russia, since 1991? No, not only was post-Soviet Russia not humiliated, Russia was given de facto great power status, as you just heard. Russia received the Soviet UN seat, it received Soviet embassies, and Soviet nuclear weapons transferred from Ukraine under the terms of the 1994 Budapest Memorandum.

From the beginning a series of American presidents, all of them in fact, have sought to build up Russia’s international status. presidents Clinton and Bush invited Russia to join the G-8, although Russia was not one of the world’s top economies, Russia was invited to join the Council of Europe, although it is not a democracy.
…during that same period, while we were engaging Russia, while we were inviting Russia into our institutions, while we were attempting to create a Russia [sic, not a spelling error], what was Russia doing? Putin invaded Chechnya, not once but twice, he invaded Georgia, he invaded Ukraine, he built up his military system. last month he held a military exercise in the arctic involving 80,000 troops , 220 aircraft and 41 ships. earlier this year he conducted an equally vast exercise in the baltic.
…while we engaged with him, while we included him. and let him use our banking system. while we enriched him, what were they doing? They were re-creating a Soviet style nuclear arsenal and a Soviet-style military that they want to use against us.”

Such lunacy prevails today in the Free World.

The greatest danger of war may come from the looney ladies of politics, as they try to show how much tougher than the guys they are: Madeline Albright, la Clintona, Anne-Marie Slaughter, Victoria, Susan, and Samantha.

OK — I found the debates on youtube and downloaded them (waste of disk space). I started listening to the four of them go though their first six minutes.

I turned it off. I can’t stomach it — I’ve rarely heard such a trash heap of unmitigated (that Bronx technical term) horsesh**t. From any of them — with ‘friends’ like that no enemies are required.
This is supposed to represent a balanced view? More like the Tolkien trolls arguing whether to roast or boil the dwarves (The Hobbit).

That’s as good as it gets on Canadian TV? I guess…. you can keep it. Such lies and ommisions and and spin.. Shameful!

“There is a “Putin doctrine” which, under the disguise of protecting the rights of Russian minorities outside Russia, aims at reconquering all the territory of the former Soviet Union. This is done by using propaganda to inflame these Russian minorities, get them to protest and make unreasonable demands, and then to intervene using a new form of warfare called ‘hybrid warfare’ which relies on a mix of military, intelligence, civilian and political activities as well as support from Russian mobsters, infiltrated “KGB” agents, etc.”

If you substitute America for Russia in the above you get a lot closer to the reality. They always invert the truth on its head and accuse their chosen enemy of the moment of what they themselves are actually doing, hence Saddam was the “new Hitler”, then Ghaddafi became the “new Hitler”, then president Assad and now president Putin, does anyone spot a pattern here ?

“These are two parallel worlds which never touch each other: real life, and “life” inside the American TV set.

The big question is: which one will prevail?”

I personally think the American people and society as a whole is utterly beyond redemption. Apart from a relative handful of Americans who have twigged what is really going on in the world the vast majority of these morons have been too brainwashed since childhood into believing in their “exceptionality” and in believing they truly are the so called “home of the brave and land of the free”. Most Americans only ever disagree with their government on matters of domestic policy which directly affects them and are mostly solidly behind their psychopathic leaders when it comes to foreign policy or just couldn’t care less ( hey, who is interested in politics when the superbowl or the Hollywood awards is on).
Those whom the gods wish to destroy they first drive insane. There is a lot of truth in this saying. The sins that have been committed by this nation is incalculable and their evil is beyond countenance, and I believe they will be paid back sevenfold for all they have done to the peoples of this world. To this end they have been burdened with an unimaginable hubris and arrogance that would eventually lead to their destruction. Let them carry on living in their Hollywood fantasy play land, the rest of the world is waking up to the true face of America.

most Americans live paycheck to paycheck and are one car repair away from financial disaster and they have less than 200 bucks in their bank account. They are one step above slavery and live under the constant threat of homelessness. That’s 80 percent of americans. The slave masters did their work well.

Additionally, In the 1930s-39 there was a war in China, then in 1939, in Mongolia. What happened a year later?

In 2014-1015, there is a war in Europe. What happened a year later?

From 2010, to 2015: there have been/are wars throughout the Middle East and Northern Africa. In most of Africa economies are collapsing and nations are being re-colonized, re-occupied, enslaved.

Hello! Is anyone home?

The Saker, (whoever the hell he is) is home.

Ron Paul, and a few others within the Belly of the Beast are practically Catatonic, as they warn all they can contact.

The War is on! People are being blown to bits in front of their homes. Schools and libraries are burning. Opposition politicians are being liquidated. The Novorossyan militia are being bombarded as they defend the barricades (Delacroix is there and painting).

However much this war will spread depends on Sandy Koufax (that’s us) who are at bat.

Washington calls truthful contradiction of its own propaganda to be Russian propaganda.

Washington has ordered the Broadcasting Board of Governors, a US government agency, headed by Andrew Lack, a former chairman of NBC news, to counteract an alleged, but non-existent, «Kremlin Troll Army» that is outshouting the Western prostitutes and «perpetuating a pro-Russian dialogue» on the Internet.

In case you don’t remember, Lack is the idiot who declared RT to be a «terrorist organization». In other words, in Lack’s opinion, one that he can enforce, a truth-teller is a terrorist.

It is so funny to see these guys shoot their mouths off.I don’t know if they are just stupid or they don’t realize it but by describing so called Putin doctrine he is actually describing exactly what the U.S. does.

This general, if quoted correctly, is an ignoramus indeed, a moronic ignoramus. When fueling the fire by making stupid remarks wrt WW2, he should at least get the facts correct. The Sudetenland (not “Sudentenland”) was overwhelmingly populated by Germans and therefore, as a matter of justice, as a result of the conference of Munich, detached from the Frankenstein state of Czechoslovakia (which was inhabited by more Germans than Slovaks) and attached to Germany. Hence there was no need to “invade” it.

Stupid and preposterous “American”. He should, in recognition of his gross incompetence and irresponsibility, stop spreading bovine excrements on public media, and rather spend the rest of his days asking the victims of his murderous actions in Iraq for forgiveness. And should he be hanged or stoned in the process of doing so, then this might be what he deserves.

There will be no war for one simple reason.Russia is not Afghanistan or Iraq.Russia is not an isolated, helpless 3rd world nation.Russia can bring pain to the American continent.Russia can blow the couch potato’s out from in front of their idiot box.The harsher their rhetoric is, the less likely they are willing to back it up.Very like a habitual bully who is scared shitless when he has to face down his better.

Russia is not isolated, maybe- but which country you know is willing to risk going up against Washington in the defense of Russia? Remember the non-aligned movement back during soviet times? Every last one of them has been targeted and torn asunder since the USSR fell. America is a vengeful murderess with a long memory, and every state with something to lose knows this fact only too well. They might love Russia, might even wish to defend her, but none dare expose themselves to ruin without a guarrantee that Russia will destroy the American hegemon. Correct me if I’m wrong, but neither Russia nor anyone else has even threatened to actually invade the heart of the American empire of chaos. If the most Russia’s well wishers can hope for is the hegemon being shamed into permitting at least economic regional power centers, without threatening with its retention of its military dominance globally, then who in their right minds will expose themselves to American terror when this episode is all said and done?
On your other point about Americans knowing Russia is different from America’s past victims, that is the crux of the dilemma. What is the real threat to the USA? They openly threaten to weaken and dissolve Russia into many statelets. That is essentially an existential threat to Russia, what’s the response to this? Defensively bargaining with a murderer who wants your life and hoping he’ll take an arm or a leg instead hardly inspires fear in your assailant. Neither does it give him a credible reason to quit hammering you. I’m not so certain even Russia’s friends believe there’s bite in her threats, let alone her enemies.

When the US loses the financial capability to bully and coerce other countries,either by sanctions or SWIFT exclusion,it will have less political clout.

Of appx 200 countries using the international trade dollar,every year more countries are using their own currency swaps for settlement of trade,by-passing the dollar.

Thinking people now realize that in Bretton Woods,NH in 1944 the existing nations at that time,gave the US the keys to the entire world,setting up the IMF,World Bank(Bank for reconstruction)and the UN.

Now countries that did not exist back then,resent the US/UK cabal and are in the process of undermining the old system.

The Chinese plan for the ‘New Silk Road’ and the high speed rail link from Beijing to Moscow,the pipeline system for all of Asia,in addition to many infrastructure projects,have the old order banking people salivating.

57 founding members of the new AIIB.

The Chinese building and defending the new Nicaraguan canal avoiding the US controlled Panama canal.

Everywhere the world looks,they see Russia and China are doing business deals,co-operating with others,while America and it’s vassals are making threats.

Bomb,bomb,bomb is the AngloAmerican way and the world wants you gone!…..

Imperials always steal rather than trade,no one knows this better than China…opium wars …un-equal treaties….silver money destruction in the 30’s.

“All of the above [the US narrative] is absolute and total nonsense”. – The Saker

I call this method “bullshit baffles brains”. The US deliberately frames all narratives and debates to it’s own advantage this way. If the US wants to attack a nation (following it’s Full Spectrum Dominance doctrine), they frame that nation as “aggressive” thereby hiding the American aggression towards it and while in actual fact the US is the warmonger and attacker the defending nation is seen as the attacking nation.

So simple and so effective. If anyone tries to combat the US on those terms they will forever swim against this stream of never ending bullshit.

The US uses this little trick ALL the time. Never mind reality and the truth, for the US it is all about perception management. I believe this warped thinking will eventually make the US attempt a first strike on Russia for the simple reason the US itself is losing the grip on reality through these constant brain washing schemes. When US reality ceases to have any bearing with reality itself the US will explode in an orgy of insane violence.

The unrecognised truth is that the United States have been at war against humanity for over 200 years. This is to put it in common language. More precisely, it is the Anglo-Zionist satanic societies rulers that have driven murderous U.S. foreign policy and today do threaten mega-death, confident that they are ever out of harm’s way.

The deception over mankind is tremendously powerful, within all countries, Russia included. Though I agree with the general direction of your arguments Saker I can’t help but feel unmoved by the underlying presumptions, which appear to be not unlike a self imposed form of naivete. The United States as a project has been Luciferic from its inception, this Luciferian influence has fertilized the foundations of our modern day world with a conception that is egoistic and self preoccupied. American foreign policy has not been haphazard and prone to failure, it has merely failed the human beings that serve it. Rather it has proven effective beyond imagination in achieving its unstated but actual goals.

The primary objective of the U.S. military and its industrial branch is/was to create a globalized form of militarization, placing weapons in the hands of anyone and everyone (with some technology caveats) with the aim of creating conflicts which can be turned on and off at will in order that the geopolitical landscape can be molded and shaped as desired by those who oversee the project. The scale of the deception and the centuries old unfolding of this agenda is beyond most peoples ability to fully comprehend at any level deeper than merely an intellectual one. Both WWI and WWII were scripted events in their general character, and how can we know this? By following the money. We simply need to question who made the money; this line of investigation leads to some very insightful conclusions.

The ‘freedom’ of the western world born out of the Luciferic doctrine was an inevitability, it has occurred because of its sheer spiritual power and is now bearing fruit in the world around us. The ‘freedoms’ that have been brought upon us have been touched upon by many already, for those of us aware enough to see the reality of the situation we don’t need a refresher. It has now become so ‘free’ that we risk becoming slaves to the imposed ‘freedoms’ and rights of all those seeking their own self perceived freedoms – “do what thou wilt”. It is in this system of freedom and democratic liberalization where some freedoms become more significant, and are thus assigned more value, such that the imposed freedoms of those who are granted special freedom status degrades the freedom of others seeking their own less valuable freedoms. Thus there is only freedom for those who can impose their freedoms more forcefully – “do what thou wilt”. The illusion of freedom is however still pervasive, and mainly holds in the minds of the many until and unless they are unfortunate enough to bump up against someone or something else’s greater freedom.

Maintenance of this freedom illusion is the domain of the magicians in Holywood, who decree at regular intervals how free we indeed are, for just look at our wealth they say, our sexiness, our liberal acceptance, for only an enlightened society could dream of such pervasive freedom. The most imposing feature of this Holywood tale is the sheer scale of the production and it’s blatant effectiveness. For all the anti-American sentiment people the world over are still seduced by the American image, the wealth, the sexiness, the high techness, the bling bling, the speed, the machismo, the cowboy. Russia has fallen particularly hard for this cultural wave (as have many other countries), and unbeknownst to most Russians themselves they subconsciously idealize many facets of Holywood culture, a culture whose sole aim is to remove the cross of Christ and replace it with a Luciferic idol.

It is an incomplete world view to emphasize incompetence, and idiocy with regards to western politicians and military people, not because there is no incompetence or idiocy, but because underneath this veneer of stupidity is a seething depth of malignant intelligence which orchestrates its legion of meat puppets in a dance of death, which seemingly unreasoned has very direct and long term goals. Directed destruction has occurred time and again, where reasonable and moral men see the prospect of war as insane and even impossible, it occurs regardless, urged forward to destruction by something beyond reason, beyond sanity, beyond compassion, but which compels us all due to our inability to collectively awaken to our deluded presumptions. We have forgotten the spiritual dimensions, we no longer speak of them, we are discouraged from the very discourse which would enlighten us, thus we have become wounded stragglers seeking the truth in a landscape of materialistic science and realpolitik, sometimes close to the truth yet never quite able to grasp the fundamental reality.

the angloamericans have already won the war-that is destruction of middle east, encirclement of russia and china-they do not need to win war-their enemy is already encircled and Russian allies are being backstabbing by Russians themselves-so much have the anglos won.
they are not looking to occupy the nations-they want their enemies destroyed with economy in ruin, infrastructure in ruin-that will give anglosaxon another generation(20 years) to breathing space to loot others -that is why english nations organized world wars one and two to destroy Germany.
Russia is under sever brain dead illusion to think that it is safe-Russia allowed herself to be enslaved so many times by her own delusions and stupidity.
Russia stooped s-300 supply to iran and now Syria to please anglos and jews!
enough said.

Napoleon should never have attacked Russia and dissipated his energy and of THE Grand Army -instead he should had concentrated on doing what he was doing in Boulogne in 1805 and killed the evil enemy across the west of channel for ever.
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William Napier writes: “In 1811 the Emperor’s power over the continent, as far as the frontier of Russia, was, in fact, absolute; and in France internal prosperity was enjoyed with external glory. But the Emperor of Russia, stimulated by English diplomacy , was plainly in opposition to the ascendency of France .”
It is the coward English who plotted Russian invasion by the great Napoleon.
and Moscow fire was started by the english while Napoleon was there.BTW.

As Paul Craig Roberts said that if Russia fails to understand that west wants nothing short of destruction of Russia and China, they will be destroyed.
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“yemen”
How low(weak ) will Russia go that even third rate enemies are stopping her for rescue of her own Russia citizens let alone coming to rescue of her allies in Syria, Yemen or Iran.?http://tass.ru/en/world/786569
Arab coalition stops Russian plane from evacuating Russians from Yemen — media
World April 01,

http://russia-insider.com/en/2015/03/16/4571
this neo con George Freidman is basically a British gent and his stratfor is a British spy propaganda machinery which spews venom against perceived british enemies under pretext of American antipathy to those nations which English parasites don’t like.
That fits in with the most obvious fact that the Zionists are simply agent of british and not jewish empire and has been for last 300 years. The evil is england and not jews who are just patsy and it is england which need to be sorted out by the international community and that too by force the only language that coward nation understands.

Friedman’s key points:
Friedman’s key points:

The primordial interest of the United States for centuries (WWI, WWII and the Cold War) has been to stop a coalition between Germany and Russia.
In fact it is proved that both world wars were planned plotted and run by the british scumbags to make Germany attack Russia and thus just like hyena –that is English race-enjoyed two lions-Russia and Germany now-france and Russia ,Austria in Napoleonic war-the English hyena is waiting for the kill when those two lions waste their energy fighting each other.

@George Freidman is basically a British gent and his stratfor is a British spy propaganda machinery which spews venom against perceived british enemies

That’s a good one! Priceless.

Let’s see what an authorized bio has to say:

“George Friedman (born 1949) is an American political scientist and author. He is the founder, chief intelligence officer, financial overseer, and CEO of the private intelligence corporation STRATFOR… Friedman’s childhood was shaped directly by international conflict. He was born in Budapest, Hungary to Jewish parents who survived the Holocaust. His family fled Hungary when he was a child to escape the Communist regime, settling first in a camp for displaced persons in Austria and then immigrating to the United States.”

Hungarian Jew! Stratfor, or what is called by many “private/shadow CIA” for its well known connections and close cooperation with the CIA!

The “Cordon Sanitaire” around Russia and the US “final solution” to create an “Intermarium” (“Between-seas”) area from the Black Sea to the Baltic Sea are simply the revival of the Zionist plan of The League of East European States or Federation of East European States (German: osteuropäischer Staatenbund) conceived during World War I for the establishment of a buffer state (Pufferstaat) within the Jewish Pale of Settlement of Russia, which would be a de facto protectorate of the German Empire in Mitteleuropa,
by prominent Zionist Max Bodenheimer, who was also a founder of the ‘German Committee for Freeing of Russian Jews’ in 1914, when he submitted a Memorandum with the proposal to the German Foreign Office, where it and the Committee received the support of Erich Ludendorff and then Paul von Hindenburg, the real creators of Ukraine and who favored the idea of the League to the very end of the war.

Intermarium (Międzymorze) was a plan, pursued after World War I by Polish leader Józef Piłsudski, for a federation, under Poland’s aegis of Central and Eastern European countries. Invited to join the proposed federation were the Baltic states (Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia), Finland, Belarus, Ukraine, Hungary, Romania, Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia…. Intermarium complemented Piłsudski’s other geopolitical vision—Prometheism, whose goal was the dismemberment of the Russian Empire and that Empire’s divestment of its territorial conquests. (Wikipedia)

Prometheism or Prometheanism (Polish: “Prometeizm”) was a political project initiated by Poland’s Józef Piłsudski. Its aim was to weaken the Russian Empire and its successor states, including the Soviet Union, by supporting nationalist independence movements among the major non-Russian peoples that lived within the borders of Russia and the Soviet Union….and to create a series of independent states as a common defensive front against Russian aggression. (Wikipedia)

The Polish writer Andrzej Leszek Szczęśniak gives the name of ‘Judeopolonia’ to the League of East European States in his books Judeopolonia (2001) and Judeopolonia II (2002).

The US establishment does not support Polish Promethism, Baltic-Black Sea Intermarium, Catholic Mitteleuropa, or any of the various guises of the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire of the Hapsburgs. That is the foreign policy goal of the Vatican, Warsaw, and the Hapsburg family. It is also a tool of Berlin to create a pliant client state between Germany and Russia.

The US specifically entered WWI in 1917 with the goal of self-determination of the various sub-ethnicities of the Austro-Hungarian, Russian, German, and Ottoman Empires. This was done to ensure Europe between France and Russia and Turkey proper was chopped up into as many tiny and manageable statelets as possible. Rather than being a weakness a multiplicity of statelets is a useful feature that allows for overall dominance by the US within the chaos even with one or two states straying from the line.

For the same reasons, the US is opposed to the concept of Orthodox unity in one Empire dominated by Moscow, or the restoration of Greater Greece/East Rome uniting all the Orthodox whether from the Dnistr or Danube to the Adriatic and also to Lebanon. The US also fervently supported breaking up Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, and Russia after 1991 to create more statelets, and has a continuing policy of supporting a break-up of Russia proper.

The US establishment also decisively rejected the creation of a Catholic Intermarium during and after WWII, which is why the domination of Stalin in this area was openly welcomed by Roosevelt. It has long been known that the desire of the anti-Communist faction in the US was a landing in 1943 in Greece, not in Italy, to ensure America would conquer/liberate Bulgaria, Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, and Hungary. Roosevelt purposefully did not do this, and also delayed landing in France until it was clear the Soviets were winning decisively against Germany. The landing in Italy ensured the US would dominate western Europe (the area along the axis from London to Rome including France and West Germany), and that western Europe would be separated from central Europe.

When George Friedman says the US entered WWI and WWII to prevent a union of Germany and Russia, it refers to preventing German domination of both Russia and Mitteleuropa. The US only entered WWI after Germany defeated Russia and occupied Poland, the Baltics, Ukraine, and the Caucusus. NATO on the other hand was formed to keep Russia from dominating Germany, and Germany from rising to prominence. NATO is intended to keep the Americans in, the Russians out, and the German down.

Individual statelets are encouraged by the US to fruitlessly pursue their own visions of the arrangement of central Europe, as competing irredentist claims makes for creative tension that prevent anyone from seeing their vision through. Thus the US can openly or tacitly support at the same time Polish Promethism restoring the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth; Ukrainian “Great Ukraine” stretching from Przemysl to the Caspian Sea; Romanian annexation of Moldova and Cernivitsi; Hungarian claims against Transcarpathia, Transylvania, and South Slovakia; Croatian claims to Herzegovina; Bosnia independence; “Greater Albania”; and Kosovan and Macedonian independence. These sort of competing claims are why an independent state in the region, Macedonia, can be forced to go by the name “Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia”.

@US entered WWI and WWII to prevent a union of Germany and Russia, it refers to preventing German domination of both Russia and Mitteleuropa

Prevention of a German-Russian entente was a constant of the policy of Britain (and subsequently US) and the Masonry. For the US it was the additional bonus of opening Russia to the US exploitation which the Bolshevik/Warburg/Schiff Revolution seemed to enable through the policy of concessions. It was also the project of creating an Autonomous Jewish Soviet Republic in the regions of the “Intermarium” with the center in Crimea with the help of “the Jewish masses of all countries, in particular the United States would give substantial aid” to building up such a republic. This is the reason why the US did not support the Intermarium project.

After witnessing everything that we have witnessed since the end of WWII, the greatest mistake, the unforgivable folly, would be for us to assume that the Empire and its accomplices are led by rational creatures. To be perfectly clear, it has been shown repeatedly and quite convincingly, by now, that they are not.

On matters of life and death, therefore, strategy, tactics and operations must be developed accordingly, taking the enemy’s irrationality first and foremost into account.

Lao Tse: “There is no greater calamity than to underestimate the enemy.”

Sun Tse: “The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting…. Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.”

Perhaps the question is whether Russian society is able to resist the predations of the West. There was a comment by a guy on Russia Insider along the lines of:

“Putin needs to stop using Stolypin and Peter the Great as his models. They were totally different. And, despite my dislike for Singapore’s Lee, Putin needs to take what Lee said to heart: “A leader needs to put his three best friends in prison. He knows what crimes they committed, and they know he knows.””

In other words, the problem for Russia today is that Putin has tamed the blatant anti-Russian aspect of most oligarchs, but the country is still dominated by criminals, many of them who seem to be Putin’s friends. Of course, perhaps they are merely “partners”. In any case, Russia is not the kind of country where a liberal reformer can be in charge when times are tough.

Don’t know if wars are inevitable, but they sure do seem to be phony as a three dollar bill. Unless the Royal Navy was simply asleep at the switch when the German navy slipped past Gibraltar on its way to the Black Sea to help von Manstein invest Sevastopol. Love the story about how Hitler was too traumatized by his WWI experience to use poison gas against his enemies. Really, world historians? Because he sure used it liberally in the caves and catacombs of the Crimean Peninsula. Churchill attempted a similar trick (sneaking past the Turks) in WWI, but they put the kabosh on it – that time.

This is simply a revamping of the “Testament of Peter the Great”, one a the most successful operations of “perception management”. Although it was demonstrated repeatedly that it was a forgery, it was invoked repeatedly to demonstrate the malicious intents of Russia. In 1912 Michel Sockolnicki (a descendant of the forger of the document the Polish general Michal Sokolnicki) gave a serious blow to the authenticity of the document, hailing in the same breath its “prescience”. The Testament was immediately seized by German propaganda in 1914. Interestingly, the Germans doctored another version for use in Iran, duly published in the Iranian newspapers in 1915, in which Pater was accused of recommending to his successors to sow suspicion between Turkey and Persia, to fan hostility between Shiites and Sunnites, to occupy Georgia and all Caucasus, finally to occupy Persia, extirpate Islam and then occupy India. Even more interestingly was that the British were circulating at the same time the Testament in Iran in order to compromise their ally in Iranian eyes (how many more proofs would one need to illustrate the proverbial “perfidious Albion”?).
It was used by the Nazis during the war. It was used immediately after the war by the Americans, to counter Russians demands regarding the status of the Black Sea.
It proved to be one of the most useful propaganda tools. It is a wonder that it was not already invoked, but we may expect it soon. In the Eastern European countries (I know the case of Romania) any amateur politician would invoke it to show the continuity of Russia’s “aggression” (“you know that they want Constantinople”!), but the brave Romanians, with the generous help of NATO, stay firmly in their way.

I am hearing that Ray McGovern will be in Russia for V Day. If this is true, no better American could be there to represent those of us who seek truth and peace. But, point taken- what a profound insult to the memory of WWII and any lingering possibility of peace, today. We’ve seen this lack of maturity before from the “prince of peace”‘& his regime, but this episode is big.

It’s all zionazi “strategy” and media manipulation. Bluffing by the gay actor playing the superhero-macho man. The role of image over reality. The nazis, in their current 3rd generation J Edgar Hoover/Eugene McCarthy form have yet to advance beyond the “white hats/black hats” bs, hence now the “Steven Spielbergs” handle “public relations” full time for the zpc/nwo freakshow.

You’re half correct. From a civil and societal standpoint we don’t know war. From a military standpoint we do. We have always had to deploy in a far away place which is many times more difficult than just defending ground.

I recommend reading “The Fourth Turning” by Neil Howe. He researched the history of America and found that approximately every 80 years there was a fourth turning. Fairly accurate quote:

“The most disconcerting aspect of Fourth Turnings is they have always climaxed with total destructive all-out war.”

Other fourth turnings:
1. American revolutionary war
2. American civil war
3. Great depression leading to WW2
4. Now

We are in a fourth turning. Most likely there will be all out war. I hope not, but one way or another, big changes are coming to America. Could be a civil war or a world war. Count on it.

Throughout its 200+ year bloodstained history, the vast majority of that history has involved Americans waging aggressive war against someone, whether that be the Native Indians, whose land American stole and occupies, or Vietnamese, Iraqis, Afghanis, Latin Americans, whose naitons Americans bombed, invaded, or desecreated.

The language of violence is the only idiom that Americans understand.

Those who wish to resist America’s” New World Order” tyranny must be prepared to deal with Americans in their “native language.”

Gaddafi was a good man, a good leader for his nation, and a father figure for his people. Libya was a prosperous, peaceful, and safe country, even in difficult times of the West imposed sanctions and demonization of Lybia and its leader. Back then it was safe for women and men to take a walk through Tripoli, to have a cup of coffee in a cafe, to take public transportation, and go to the beach. Every married couple was getting a house as a gift. The country had laws ensuring equal pay between men and women. Women had financial incentives to get education, and to have children, and they were encouraged to go back to work after having children, by the availability of high quality cheap state run kindergartens.

Libyans were laidback, friendly, peaceful people. Christians, Muslims, and tribal people lived in harmony. The most locals would do, meeting Europeans, was to shout “macaroni,” because of many Italians working in Libya. They were getting paid times more than in Italy for the similar jobs .

Libyans truly loved Gaddafi. Even when he told everyone to wash hair in camel urine, as a cure for baldness.

That’s how my friend, a former military adviser to Gaddafi, described Libya of the late 80s. When he learned that Gaddafi was so indescribably brutally murdered by the Zionists, he wept.

No WWIII before the following criteria is met:
1 The Euro crash and thereafter the rise of the European United States (15 Countries?)
2 Fascism in the new EUS as a solution to crisis caused by the crashing Euro (by Ukraine)
3 Mobilization of masses in the EUS for an crusade going eastward (to destroy the anti-Christ)
4 Hunt down dissidents within EUS and transfer of all assets to EUS
4 WWIII starting with one big push (all eggs in one basket)

I would say this analysis is based on the theory, that the American generals, politicians etc. believe in their own propaganda. With that theory I do not agree. Much more presumably we are the witnesses of one of the biggest cover ups, the world has ever seen. And what situation needs to be covered ? It is the crash of the western financial system (and the collapse of the western economies).

I remember when WW11 started in Netherlands. The gardeners had built an airraid shelter in the sand pit in Waasenaar my brother and I played in. No planes over head, one of us would swing in the swing. When Rotterdam was carpet bombed hundreds of us filled the basement of the largest old hotel in the Hague, sitting on the cement floors leaning up against on of the hundreds of pillars. So small, I walked before the adults saying “benne je niet bang!”. I hear the bombing still. Those my age sheltering in old age homes in Holland will soon be in the streets as the Americans have so impoverished us deliberately so we are forced to throw away our beloved old, the ones who remember WW11 and who won it, Russia all by herself. Not allowed any longer. The US says she owns us now, obedience means life, or does it?

Re TV Reality: A very interesting documentary on the behaviour of the Noth German Radion propagating a distorted story based on Mossad disinformation on the capture of Eichmann in Argentina.
Extremely interesting are the cooperation between Nazis and the Zionist organisations in Germany under Hitler – Eichmann has been a emisssary of the Rockefeller company to Palestine. His task has been to promote Jewish emigration to Palestine in order to secure oil deposits via promoting a Zionist State in Palestine.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pq0IFw9ZSeI

Can we please stop it with this false rhetoric that American wars are failed wars?

As other posters pointed out already: they did achieve their goals, that doesn’t read like a failure to me nor to anyone in possession of more than two working bran-cells.
Example; are they truly out of Afghanistan? No, they’re not! There are still American AND Nato troops allegedly “guarding key assets.” If they lost the war so badly, because they keep making “mistake after mistake” … why aren’t these remaining gringo troops being blown out of existence and why are they not being sent home in body bags until no invading soldier is left? Hmm?
Did the Russians, or the so-called Allied Members leave active Nazi troops behind in assorted countries to guard “vital” Nazi assets? I’m guessing no, they didn’t! And that’s what a true defeat looks like to me.

The depressing truth is that: they’re winning, and they’ve been winning for a good number of years now [By “they” I mean both: the plutocrats and the Yanks and their poodle nations]

The sooner we come to terms with that reality, the sooner – in theory – we could organize, and for once; create a genuine counter-movement to this wanton killing for the sake of killing + profit, death-machine.

The 14th “Galician” Waffen-SS unit kept its weapons and unit when interned in Italy. It was kept intact ready for a war with the USSR before being relocated to Australia, Canada, UK and US to emerge as old men war criminals in 1970s and 1980s

Quote: “Real world vs “TV reality” – is a war inevitable?”
I personally doubt it. For the simple reason that the first targets annihilated will be The Square Mile of London,a.k.a. City of London, Wall St & of course other sites where the Banksters & their families will be hiding,,, I’m sure that the Russian intelligence has an updated list of those sites !
Of course I could be wrong. But I pray that I’m right for the sake of humanity !

Whenever Western politicians prattle on about Hitler or Munich they set off on policy failure whether Suez or Iraq. Hitler did not invade Sudetenland, it was 85% German part of the Austro-Hungarian empire and under Wilson’s 14 Points should have had the right of self-determination – but Wilson withheld his 14 Points from Germany and transferred German-speakers forcibly at Versailles to foreign governments like imperialists.

The notion that everything Hitler did was wrong does not wash. His Blitzkrieg model was copied by the US with USMC acting as spearhead just as the Waffen-SS had done, use of close support air power, massed tank units, motorised infantry – all became US doctrine. Soviet doctrine was heavy reliance on artillery with the highest ratio of artillery to manpower of all major armies.

Americans are totally ignorant on Hitler and his foreign policy being programmed with cartoon history. The League of Nations warned Poland and Czechoslovakia repeatedly about their treatment of language groups in their borders interwar…….

The US destroyed Libya because of some claim of potential genocide, it claimed a No-Fly Zone over Iraq on the perceived threat to Kurds, it attacked Serbia for a so-called massacre in Kosovo……….it is a rampaging empire looking for its own destruction run by meathead generals without any intellectual grasp

“For God’s sake, the last time we heard that was just before Hitler invaded the Sudentenland”

Should I add:

Nevermind that this statement came from a country who, with its allies (GB, France…) have a direct responsibility to the rise of their Adolf Hitler (mainly in a form of money support for the NAZI political party) in order to crush the soviet union.

At the risk of beating a dead horse, McCaffrey is in no position to lecture others about aggression, given the war crimes he committed during Desert Storm. There was one episode where his unit massacred Iraqi soldiers that were in a trench. He positioned armoured vehicles behind the trench so the Iraqis could not surrender or leave and then used tanks equipped with ploughs to bury them alive. There were probably other incidents I don’t remember. The UN never endorsed Desert Storm because the only legal precedent their lawyers could find for it was the German invasion of the Sudentenland.

AmI have to remain coldblooded when it comes about opining on this topic. I do not think there will be an open war. This is an era (specially after the official wthtrowal of the coalition forces from Iraq and Afganistan) where the proxy wars have become the staple war of this day. Suversions and the funding of it by the main powers (namely and mainly the anglosaxon world in one hand and russia in the other) will determine the outcome of this conflicts. It is widely known that the presence of arab terrorists and fundamentalists in the north caucasus is financed by wealthy arabs with the knowledge of us intel. Thus creating internal conflicts within the federation diverting resources aimed at improving the economy of the region into a war efort to dismantle the terrorist organisations, consuming lives and prolonge the hopes of their people for a brighter future, this conflict has become a war of atrition. On the other hand the russian solution is to push westward by fostering separatists forces in ukraine, wich partly has a historic background whose legitimacy can be discussed. The west, against its will, is about to lift sanctions on iran and that will put iran in
Amore free position to handle its affaires once sanctions be lifted. So now its not easy assrs a prospect on this situation. Yet I think it largely depemds on the negotiatoons with iran

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