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REV. AL SHARPTON, MSNBC HOST: Tonight on "Politics Nation," defending Obamacare, the president hitting the Supreme Court just days before ruling that could uphold the law or create a health care disaster.

Also, did they have help? New questions tonight about how they got out and the manhunt for those two escaped murders.

And a dramatic new move from the White House that could give a raise to millions of American workers who need it most.

Welcome to "Politics Nation." There is a big Supreme Court ruling on Obamacare coming any day now. Millions could lose their insurance. Tomorrow the president is going to talk about it and today he gave a preview going right after the conservative case against Obamacare.

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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: It`s a bad idea. It`s not something that should be done based on a twisted interpretation of four words. And as we were reminded repeatedly a couple thousand page piece of legislation. Once more, the thing is working. I mean, part of what is bizarre about this whole thing is we haven`t had a lot of conversation about the horrors of Obamacare because none of them come to pass. None of the predictions of how this will work have come to pass.

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SHARPTON: Now, the president talked about the predictions, the horror predictions that didn`t come to pass. Well, let`s look at some of predictions. They said it was a job killer. That didn`t happen. Death panels. Whatever happened to the death panels that were predicted? Death spirals and it would pull the plug on grandma.

These were actually said by many respectable people on the right, not just the French. The fact of the matter, let`s look at what actually happened under Obamacare. 6.3 million rose now to 10.2 million from 2014 to 2015 actual numbers, and jobs increased every month. Grandma didn`t have the plug pulled on her, all of hysteria, all of the horror predictions flat on their face. And on top of that, the American people get I because look at the new poll on what the public is saying about Supreme Court decision.

Should Supreme Court block federal subsidies? Should not, 55 percent, 38 percent said they should. Fifty five percent said they should not block. The people get it. Why? Because all of the predictions proved to be a lot of rhetoric and a lot of horror predictions that didn`t pan out.

Let me bring on John Walsh and the great Congressman Emanuel Cleaver. Thank you both for being with us.

JOAN WALSH, SALON.COM: Thanks, Rev.

REP. EMANUEL CLEAVER (D), MISSOURI: Good to be with you.

SHARPTON: Congressman, the horror predictions haven`t worked. You are looking at 10.2 million people are insured, many never insured before they had prospect before, yet, on a technicality of language, we are talking about a phrase that by the states rather than by the states in federal government were playing almost semantics here in my opinion, we may lose millions of people.

CLEAVER: We are going to lose if the Supreme Court should go the political route, we`ll lose over six million people who were insured. Look --

SHARPTON: 6.4 million to be exact.

CLEAVER: Yes. Almost six and actually grow if some other states were cooperating.

SHARPTON: That`s correct.

CLEAVER: But I never missed a single debate, nor did I miss any of the votes and this issue about whether the federal government could allow tax credits to subsidize insurance was never brought up by a single member of congress, not once. Not even a piece of a sentence.

All we heard from them is that if you pass the ACA, Dracula is going to bite you on the neck and he`s going to send your children to live with Frankenstein and after that, they will have some kind of a big party with zombies. It was one of the most ridiculous things I`ve ever seen.

And this is politically motivated. It has no merit whatsoever. And those who put it together are just trying to find a way in which they can do damage to the president. But they are going to damage the Republican Party and they are going do serious damage, I think, to many in the American public who are getting insurance.

SHARPTON: They will do damage, Joan, if Supreme Court rules in their favor to specifically 6.4 million people and the American people. Their party notwithstanding the damage it would do politically. But I want to go back to what the congressman said because this is the core issue. Let`s get the right premise to get to the right conclusion.

WALSH: Right.

SHARPTON: There was no confusion.

WALSH: None.

SHARPTON: That the federal government could give subsidies because Congressman Cleaver said they never even debated that. It was never even inferred that we weren`t talking about the federal government. But on this little technicality that federal was not put in the law, only state, they want to risk six million people when it was never even discussed in the debates.

WALSH: Well I have hope that the Supreme Court will not do this and the majority will not come through and overturn this because there are so many presidents, Reverend Al, where the court looks at the sense of Congress. And it`s easy to get the sense of Congress and the court doesn`t penalize Congress for clerical error, which is essentially what this is.

Honestly, if we were in another time, we all know that they would have cleaned up the language. They have cleaned other things that might have been fuzzy about the bill. But there was no potential for Republicans to participate even in the basic cleaning up.

But, you know, I really am so what optimistic, hopeful about the Supreme Court. I`m very pessimistic about Republicans carrying about this. Even though this poll shows that in the swing states they actually care more and even really more don`t want the Supreme Court to overturn the subsidies. But they are not playing even now to the swing states, where are the 2016 candidates? Why aren`t they standing up and saying, you know, this is what we need to do. This is an issue to take care of, they are not. They are sticking to the old script.

SHARPTON: And Congressmen, the fact that they would even propose this to the Supreme Court and I love that Joan is talking to two preachers and she has the faith and the hope, but the fact of the matter is that even the fact remains that they would even propose it and would this court been right wing, we don`t know which way they would rule shows a real insensitivity, a gross insensitivity to the people that benefitted and that need this benefit.

CLEAVER: Well, Joan, it`s good to have faith in our -- I`m going to embrace her embracing faith. However, I was surprised that the Supreme Court accepted this case because historically, as you said, or maybe Joan said it, that legislative intend is what the courts have historically used when they were dealing with legislation, and the legislative intent is clear.

The structure, the text is clear. And if we don`t somehow get the Supreme Court to understand this issue, I think that it`s going to do enormous damage. Human beings, the bottom line here is that people will be heard. There will people who will go to bed one day and wake up the next day and they don`t have health insurance. And I hope the people who are pushing this politically motivated lawsuit will be happy just to see 6.4 million people without insurance. And that`s almost 200,000 of them in my state of Missouri alone.

SHARPTON: Joan, logic would say that no one would want to risk that and especially when you talk about a word. But then today I look and on twitter I see a GOP Senator John Thune. Here is what he tweeted. Six million people risk losing their health care subsidies yet Potus continues to deny that Obamacare is bad for the American people. Now, I spent a lot of time rereading this.

WALSH: Yes. Take it apart, Rev.

SHARPTON: And there is absolutely no logic to the point that he`s making. Six million people risk losing health care.

WALSH: That`s a tragedy, OK.

SHARPTON: But yet, the president continues Obamacare, which is what is giving them the health care. So he`s against the president doing what he regrets they are going to lose. With people like this sitting in the Senate and they are supposed to be logical, do you understand why I`m nervous about the Supreme Court.

WALSH: I am a little nervous. OK, you guys are making me more nervous. But that is the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen. You cannot unpack. You cannot make a sense.

SHARPTON: And they will this.

WALSH: They are shameless. They will blame this on Obama. And all I`m seeing as we approach 2016, Rev., is that they are going for a turn out the base strategy. They are not looking at the swing states. They are trying to win over the base in the primaries and that leaves no one in any kind of position of leadership saying OK, you know what? We are going to do the right thing. We don`t like Obamacare but this is going to throw people into chaos. We`ll repeal it when I become president, maybe I`ll repeal it, but for now we`ll give them certainty they can have health insurance.

SHARPTON: But Congressman doesn`t that give us a real state of where we are where politically to where no candidate has come out and said anything to where you have GOP senators playing to the base vote so to their incoherent on twitter? I mean, this is a real polarized, I think, politically poisonous type of atmosphere.

CLEAVER: Yes, this is political tribalism at its very worst. This whole issue that the Supreme Court will actually hear and, well, actually they already heard back in March arguments, but they are going to render decision shortly, and it`s based on politics. I`m not saying the Supreme Court`s decision was based on politics, but the fact it was even brought to the judicial system and I hoped the court wouldn`t accept this because it is clearly political. And as Joan said in a more sane season, those that we used to have in this country, Congress would simply have amended the legislation to take care of this little grammatical error. And we will be on our way. But right now it is so polarized, nothing can be done.

SHARPTON: But that - and I am a man of faith and I am certainly a child of hope, but the fact they accepted case, it makes me a little nervous. The fact that even hearing it makes me a little unsettled.

Congressman Emanuel Cleaver, Joan Walsh, thank you both for your time tonight.

WALSH: Thanks, Rev.

CLEAVER: Thank you, Reverend.

SHARPTON: Coming up, the manhunt for the two escaped murderers. Did they have help? Where are they now? We`re live at the prison.

Plus both these Republican contenders were asked about Caitlyn Jenner. Their two different answers reveal a big problem in the GOP.

And tonight, there is a new clan from the Obama White House that could mean a pay raise for millions of Americans.

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Developing news tonight in the indictment of former house speaker Dennis Hastert, he has hired high powered Washington defense attorney Thomas Green to represent him against charges he lied to the FBI about bank withdrawals. According to federal officials, Hastert used the money as pay off to conceal previous misconduct of a sexual neighbor.

Green has represented clients involved a national scandals including Watergate, Iran-contra, the Keating five and Whitewater. Hastert will be arraigned tomorrow in federal court in Chicago. It will be his first appearance in public since he was indicted nearly two weeks ago.

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SHARPTON: Now to a growing manhunt for two convicted killers, the prison break in upstate New York sounds more like a movie than reality. Today, police saying over 300 tips have poured on prisoners Richard Matt and David Sweat who escaped the maximum security Clinton facility this weekend in upstate New York, just 25 miles from the Canadian border. Officials today say they could literally be anywhere.

NBC`s Miguel Almaguer with more on the search.

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MIGUEL ALMAGUER, NBC NEWS REPORTER: Some 250 heavily-armed officers with canine combing the woods searching cemeteries and schools for convicts David Sweat and Richard Matt. Sweat was serving life after killing a sheriff`s deputy, shooting him 22 times. Matt serving 25 years to life for kidnapping, beating, killing and dismembering his boss.

The prisoners in side by side cells, stuffed their bunks with clothes to avoid detection. They cut holes through the steel wall behind their beds, crawled on the this cat walk six stories up, broke through a brick wall two feet thick, cutting holes into and out of a 24-inch steam pipe shimmying beneath the prison wall then breaking out of a manhole more than a block away. They left behind a post it note with a racist image reading have a nice day.

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SHARPTON: NBC`s John Yang is live outside the prison.

John, give us the latest in the search for these men.

JOHN YANG, NBC NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Well, Reverend, the search is still going on. Searching the farm land, the woods surrounding this (INAUDIBLE) village high in the decks, as you say, not very far from Canada along the Canadians boarder, the U.S. customs and border patrol have set up lanes to check cars leaving the United States going into Canada. They say there is a heightened awareness along the border.

They have also notified officials in Mexico because one of the two men who escaped spent some time in Mexico before he was extradited to face trial that ended him up here in this prison. They are also trying to figure out just how this happened, how they were able to get a hold of the tools to carry all this out, how they knew the laboring (ph) of steam tunnels and pipes underneath this prison. They are interviewing civilian workers. They are interviewing private contractors who do work in the prison, all trying to find out where they are and how they got out, Rev?

SHARPTON: How is the community, the surrounding community? How are they handling this?

YANG: Well, I tell you, today there was some anxious times for parents. They did go to school today. Their children went to school. The schools were open over the weekend. Officers searched all the schools, secured all the schools trying to reassure the community that everything was safe. Everything did go off without a hitch.

New York state police officers were stationed at every school just in case. This is still a city or village under as fortress, going in and out there are check points checking the trunks of cars and checking inside cars trying to figure out if there is still - if those two convicted killers are still hold up here or on the run somewhere else - Reverend.

SHARPTON: NBC`s John Yang, thank you for your reporting tonight.

Now let`s bring in former FBI profiler and MSNBC contributor Clint Van Zant.

Clint, how do investigators begin tracking down the two men?

CLINT VAN ZANDT, MSNBC CONTRIBUTOR: Well first, they have to look at their activities the last few months, Al. So I can hear they are fugitive hunt, who were they talking to? Who were their friends talking to? You start at the epicenter, which is obviously this manhole that these two guys popped out at about 48 hours ago and then you kind of spread out from there.

And there is two prevailing theories, one is that two guys like the this would stay together, hunker down in a local area, maybe go to the an abandoned barn, maybe break into a house and hold people captive, but the police are going door by door.

The other theory says that safe money would say these two guys would split up, go opposite directions, maybe one to Mexico, one to Canada, but split up somehow because we`re all looking for these two dangerous-looking guys traveling together. So put a baseball cap, sunglasses on them, send them opposite directions, maybe they think they can get away from this point.

SHARPTON: How dangerous do people in law enforcement think these guys are?

VAN ZANDT: Well, look. These two guys were in what`s called the honors block, which means they hadn`t screwed up in prison so they got certain privileges. Well, you know, so much for the honor system in prison, we`ve got two killers that are now on the run.

But we got to qualify that. One of these killed a deputy sheriff, obviously he`s dangerous. Another guy killed his boss because his boss fired him. But these two guys are on the run, Al. They are trying to get away. The last thing they want to do is bring attention on themselves, if in fact, they want to disappear into society and never be seen again.

SHARPTON: Now, you know, the prison is a maximum prison. I have visited prisoners there, famous artist was there I visited once.

VAN ZANDT: Yes.

SHARPTON: It`s inconceivable to me they could have done this without help going through all of what they had to know and the materials they would have to use. How long do you think it took these men to plot the escape?

VAN ZANDT: I think, Al, it took weeks, maybe months. One of them we`re told may have been able to motivate or get somebody on the inside to help them. Some suggest maybe a female employee, maybe somebody on the inside. Somebody had to help them, had to help them get tools, had to help them develop the ability to disappear for a few hours at night.

But Al, you and I have seen over the years, guys escape from prison and they pop out of prison and it`s like what do I do now? Where do I go? They put all of their efforts on the escape. These guys so far it looks like have covered the front end and the back end. How do I get out and where do I go from here? That`s where law enforcement will figure out how they got out.

What they have to do is get these guys in custody before they run into a police officer or a member of the public who gets in their way and one or both of these guys decide they will go over the top of them.

SHARPTON: According to news reports today, a woman inside the prison may have helped the prisoners. What do you make of these reports, Clint?

VAN ZANDT: Well, you know, these guys are killers, one of these guys has been identified. The older guy, matt is his last name is supposed to be somewhat of a conman, somewhat of lady`s man.

You know, Al, you and I remember the case what, half a dozen, ten years ago, where the guy out in California, he killed his nine month pregnant wife, Scott Peterson. This guy to this day still gets proposals that are sent to him. So, you know, guys in prison sometimes they are the mystery man and there are some women that like that mystery.

SHARPTON: Clint Van Zandt, thank you so much for your time tonight.

VAN ZANDT: Thank you.

SHARPTON: Coming up, a Texas officer is on leave after video surfaces showing him pushing a teen girl down and pulling a gun.

Also President Obama is on the verge of a historic wage hike, and he can do it without Congress. That`s next.

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SHARPTON: Everything is bigger in Texas, including the hypocrisy. We`re serving up a lone star size double got you tonight featuring Texas own Ted Cruz and Rick Perry.

Perry hates regulations until he doesn`t and Cruz hates background checks until does it.

Former governor Perry gave head-scratching explanation this weekend why he`s so against the Wall Street reform law Dodd-Frank.

RICK PERRY (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We`re fed up by seeing Wall Street get treated specially and you can`t even get a loan from your community bank because of Dodd-Frank banking regulations.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What are you going to do about Wall Street, then?

PERRY: Well, regulate them. I mean, regulate them. Make sure that doesn`t happen. If they make bad decisions, let them live with those bad decisions and don`t bail them out.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right. But isn`t that what Dodd-Frank is, regulations? You were just saying that was bad.

PERRY: Yes, Dodd-Frank is killing. Dodd-Frank is killing the community banks. Over regulations and that --

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SHARPTON: He`s against Dodd-Frank regulations of Wall Street, but he is saying we need more regulation on Wall Street?

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PERRY: I can`t, sorry.

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SHARPTON: You said it, governor. Not on our next rodeo act, Senator Cruz is a proud hunter, so his campaign, in holding a contest for one lucky donor that comes along hunting with him. There is just one bit of twist, the winner may have to undergo a background check first.

This is for the same Ted Cruz who helped lead the effort to defeat a bill that would have expanded background checks nationwide. I can smell the irony from here. It looks like Ted Cruz and Rick Perry need to lasso in the hypocrisy. Did these two cowboys think we would ignore the text mess they made? Nice try but we got you.

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SHARPTON: There is not much Republicans say that surprises me anymore, but when South Carolina`s Senator Lindsey Graham talked about Caitlyn Jenner this weekend, he said something I didn`t expect.

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SEN. LINDSEY GRAHAM (R), SOUTH CAROLINA: I don`t have all of the answers to the mysteries of life. I can only imagine the torment Bruce Jenner went through. I hope he, she has found peace. I`m a prolife traditional marriage kind of guy but I`m running to be president of the United States. If Caitlyn Jenner wants to be a republican, she`s welcome in my party.

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SHARPTON: I disagree with Senator Graham on most issues, but on this, he`s saying the right thing. Good for him. That was a sincere response to Caitlyn Jenner`s transition, and a sign Senator Graham wants to welcome more people in his party. But we heard a different reaction to Jenner from another potential candidate.

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GOV. SCOTT WALKER (R), WISCONSIN: It`s a personal decision and to me, I don`t know there is anything more to come and it`s just a personal decision.

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SHARPTON: Wow, that was a quick answer. I`ll play it again in case you missed it.

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WALKER: Well, I think it`s a personal decision and to me, I don`t know there is anything more to come and it`s just a personal decision.

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SHARPTON: Scott Walker spent less than five seconds talking about Caitlyn Jenner, he couldn`t wait to talk about something else. Like how he would support a constitutional amendment to ban marriage equality.

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WALKER: Well, I personally believe marriage is between one man and one woman. If the court decides that, the only next approach is for those who are supporters of marriage being define as between one man and one woman is ultimately to consider pursuing a constitutional amendment.

UNIDENTIFIED MAN: So you would favor a constitutional amendment that would say the states are allowed to ban same-sex marriage.

WALKER: I believe that the decision to define marriage would be left up to the states, yes.

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SHARPTON: But Governor Walker is on the wrong side of public opinion. A new poll found 63 percent of Americans think there should be a constitutional right to marry for same-sex couples, the country is changing moving forward for the better. It`s too bad candidates like Scott Walker are still stuck in the past.

Joining me now is Jess McIntosh of Emily`s List. And Margie Omero, democratic strategist and co-host of the Podcast, "The Post." Thank you both for being here.

MARGIE OMERO, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST: Thanks, Rev.

JESS MCINTOSH, EMILY`S LIST: Thank you, good evening, Reverend.

SHARPTON: Jess, some say Scott Walker is the new front runner. What do you make of his comments on these social issues?

MCINTOSH: I think he thought that putting on a leather motorcycle jacket was all he needed to do to convince people that he belonged in the 21st Century. Unfortunately, then he opens his mouth and its becomes very clear that Scott Walker is going to do nothing to make the republican tent any bigger and in fact, he`s going to drive away a lot of younger folks who might even be inclined to vote republican. I mean, marriage equality is a huge generational split issue, 73 percent of younger people say that they believe that same-sex couples ought to have a right to marry. So, for Scott Walker to say, okay, even if the courts don`t agree with me on this, I think we can keep fighting for this thing that everyone knows is about love and it`s going to be a part of the world from now on. We`re going to keep fighting back against this and seeing how far back into the 20th century we can take our policies.

SHARPTON: Well, Margie, let me play on that last point that Jess made because there is a real split within the Republican Party that`s generational, she referred generational in terms of all voters but in the party over gay rights, only 36 percent of Republicans over 50 say same-sex couples should have a constitutional right to marry, but among republicans younger than 50, 59 percent agree, only 36 percent of those over 50 but 59 percent of the young people in their own party agree they should have that. Are today`s candidates turning off tomorrow`s voters, Margie?

OMERO: Well, absolutely. Because I think the issue here is not just where people are currently. This has been such a rapidly moving issue. What we really need to look at is where it`s going and where it`s going, there is no mistake. And every time a pole comes out about same-sex marriage, the headline from the outlet is, new record high in our poles show support for same-sex marriage and that`s been going on for a while, doesn`t matter what outlet you look at. Pugh just came out with a study and it showed that nearly three-fourths of Democrats, Republicans, Independents didn`t matter say, it`s inevitable that we`re going to have same-sex marriage legally across the country. So people see where this is headed and when you have republican candidates trying to find terms of art to, you know, reign it in when everybody sees where this is going, it just reinforces that they are the party of the past rather than the party of the future.

SHARPTON: Jess, a new poll shows that the country is moving the other way from this conservatism. New polls show that more voters are describing themselves as liberal and fewer as conservative. Twenty six percent of Americans say they are liberal up three percent from last year and 33 percent say they are conservative, which is down four percent from 2014. What is driving that change in your opinion, Jess?

MCINTOSH: I think we`re seeing a bigger contrast than ever before between the parties as Republicans have moved farther and farther to the right. We`re watching Hillary Clinton stake out really popular opinions and issues when it comes to giving the undocumented immigrations a path to citizenship. That`s a really popular position that no one on the right has. They are still debating should we build a fence or should we just give them something slightly less than citizenship. You know, Hillary Clinton wants to have voting automatic voting once you turn 18 and Republicans want to issue more a voting restrictions. We`re seeing a very clear contrast and I think more Americans that would be in that middle that might have identified as conservative before are taking a looking at these totally a -- to our country`s policies and saying, you know what? That`s not me. And I think that`s why we`re seeing their numbers are smaller than they have been.

SHARPTON: You know, Margie in 2004 President Bush called for a constitutional amendment against same-sex marriage and it was a big wedge issue in the campaign. Listen to what he said.

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FMR. PRES. GEORGE W. BUSH, UNITED STATES: If we prevent the meaning of marriage from being changed forever, our nation must enact a constitutional amendment to protect marriage in America.

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SHARPTON: Now back then this was an issue that helped the Republican Party, but 11 years later, won`t this hurt them?

OMERO: It`s clear that it will hurt them and it reinforce and activate as narrative that people think that some folks on the right are two tied to the past in digging in against trends of where people are going. I mean, you said at a poll about an increase in people who self-identify as liberal. Gallops show that among the republican base there is been a drop in the percentage of Republicans who identify as both socially conservative and economically conservative.

You see a drop in folks who identify as socially conservative across party lines and even when you look at specific issues, a whole variety of issues whether they`re personal liberty issues or whether there are things like the death penalty or things where we have more national policy debates, people are moving left toward on all of them across the board. I mean, same-sex marriage is one that`s pretty visible and pretty clear, but it`s happening across the board and for Republicans to dig their heels in and fight for this right word territory, it really, it puts them at a disservice for a general election.

SHARPTON: Jess McIntosh and Margie Omero, thank you both for your time tonight.

OMERO: Thank you.

MCINTOSH: Thank you so much.

SHARPTON: Still ahead, President Obama has a plan to give a pay raise to millions of Americans and Republicans can do anything to stop it, we`ll tell you why. But first, the feel good story of the weekend. Ninety nine-year-old Aretha Daniels just fulfilled a lifelong dream graduating from California`s college of the canyons and she`s definitely, she definitely stole the show.

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UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: Ninety nine here I am. I accomplished what I wanted to do and this is my dream come true.

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PRES. BARACK OBAMA (D), UNITED STATES: Because no one who works full-time in America should have to live in poverty, I`m going to keep making the case that we need to raise the minimum wage because it`s lower right now than it was when Ronald Reagan took office. It`s time for the minimum wage to go up.

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SHARPTON: It`s time for the minimum wage to go up. Why? Because American workers need to be able to make an income that can provide for their families. We haven`t seen it go up since Ronald Reagan at the same kind of gap that we`ve faced decades ago when you compare inflation to income, but the Republicans were adamant in blocking the President so he has decided to do something else. Here is the President 15 months ago on hiking overtime pay.

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OBAMA: Over time is a pretty simple idea, if you have to work more, you should get paid more. If you`re working hard, you`re barely making ends meet, you should be paid over time, period. Because working Americans are struggled through stagnant wages for too long. Americans spent too long working more and getting less in return.

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SHARPTON: Getting less in return, working more, getting less. Well, that may change this week by the President directly dealing with this not having to go through an obstructionists Congress because the reality is, if you make a little over $23,000 a year, just $23,660 a year, if you make anything over that, you cannot get over time pay, which means you could be literally living in poverty if you`re a family of four and working overtime for nothing. We have got to stop this. I`m glad the President is talking about moving this week at doing what this Congress should have done with minimum wage but at least millions will benefit with a change in overtime pay.

We`re going to talk about this important debate with former Secretary of Labor Hilda Solis. Thank you for being here first of all, Secretary.

HILDA SOLIS, FORMER SECRETARY OF LABOR: Thank you, Reverend, it`s good to see you again.

SHARPTON: Good to see you. Now overtime pay for over time working, tell us how this impact people and are we talking about a lot of Americans?

SOLIS: You`re talking about millions of Americans that will be impacted because this original rule wasn`t updated since back in the 1970s, 1975 to be exact and right now the threshold for individuals is as you said $23,600. Well, that`s poverty wages by our account right now.

SHARPTON: Right.

SOLIS: So if you are to lift that and double it, or at least go up to 40,000, that will help to provide assistance for millions and millions of working men and women that are working right now, some 60, 70, sometimes 80 hours a week and not getting paid over time and sometimes these employees are also misclassified. They`re put into a managerial category and they`re not paid. So, for example, the example we point to a lot is someone working at, say, McDonalds or a fast food restaurant, they`re classified as a manager but have to work maybe 40 or 50 hours and don`t get paid over time. Yet, they are working at the same standard that maybe other employees are.

That`s not fair and this is about fairness and this is a law that went into place back in the 30s. 1938, right, coming out of the recession because people needed to have some guarantees that you would be paid and honored for the work hours that you provided. So, that`s all this is and I`m glad that the President is moving in this direction, we tried to work on this a couple years ago when I was their secretary but I know how important it is for working Americans to get relief, especially when you have a Congress that doesn`t even want to entertain the notion of raising the minimum wage.

SHARPTON: Yes. And you know, Secretary, it is so blatant to me when we looked back and found that in 1975, 65 percent, 65 percent of workers fell under the overtime threshold. Today only 12 percent fall under the overtime threshold. So we are addressing a problem and the President is making a move this week to fix a problem that exists, this is the not something that`s just being done to be doing it. This is a real problem when you see how few people fall under the threshold today percentage-wise as opposed to the 1970s.

SOLIS: What will happen is the President will actually issue an executive order. This will then go through the process. It will receive public comment, people will have a chance to make those comments and then it will come back to the agency, to the Department of Labor and then if everything goes well, then that will go into implementation. But you know that perhaps on the other side, there will be people the naysayers though will say, oh, no, this is going to be a job killer when in fact it actually could allow for people to maybe take time off and be able to be with their family and not families and not have to work so darn hard and not be paid for it. So, it`s about justice. It`s about equality and it`s about fairness. Right now with the unemployment rate being what it is at 5.5 percent nationally tells you that the economy is coming back. That somebody is making money but is it really reaching the people that deserve this raise.

SHARPTON: And when you look at the fact that the economic policy institute says that this increase would and this is their quote, it would disproportionately help women, Blacks, Hispanic workers under 35 and workers with low levels of education, so these are the people that really need it the most. I was also noted this weekend that Hillary Clinton called in to a conference of fast food workers who were calling for $15 minimum wage, and she says quote, "I want to be your champion. I want to fight with you every day." So it seems to be a battle now in main stream politics and be a lead by the President in the White House that we`ve got to not just talk about income equality, we`ve got to do something about it for those that are working.

Exactly and people need to contact their legislators, there are people in Congress and the Senate and let them know that they support this executive order and this particular procedure that the President is pushing forward. It`s time for Americans to take back their wages and this is one way to do it to help remedy our economy, put people back to work and make sure that they don`t have to rely on public assistance because if you`re making poverty wages, $23,600, that`s poverty wages below the federal poverty lines. So, we need to do that, we need to speak up and have our voices heard.

Former Labor Secretary Hilda Solis, thank you for your time tonight.

SOLIS: Thank you, Reverend.

SHARPTON: The South Carolina police officer who shot and killed Walter Scott charged with murder by a grand jury. What happens now?

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SHARPTON: Today, Vice President Biden responded to the outpouring of support following the death of his son Beau. He tweeted quote, "Our deepest gratitude for everyone`s kindness and compassion, your love and admiration for Beau has touched us beyond measure." Beau Biden was laid to rest this Saturday after dying of cancer. President Obama held back tears as he delivered a moving and emotional eulogy.

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OBAMA: Anyone can make a name for themselves in this reality TV age, especially in today`s politics if you`re loud enough or controversial enough, you can get some attention. But to make that name mean something, to have an associated with dignity and integrity that is rare. What greater inheritance going to be part of a family that passes on the values of what it means to be a great parent, that passes on the values of what it means to be a true citizen.

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SHARPTON: Afterward he hugged his Vice President who he called his brother. The entire nation has watched their friendship evolve and deepen over the last seven years, and the emotion we heard in the President`s eulogy is a testament to that bond.

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SHARPTON: Developing news tonight in the shooting death of Walter Scott. A grand jury has indicted South Carolina Police Officer Michael Slager on murder charges for Scott`s death. The shooting was recorded by a witness in April showing the officer firing his gun eight times at Scott`s back as he ran away. This case highlights the importance of video which can provide key evidence in interactions between police and the community.

Like in this next case that has a lot of people talking and concerned, a police officer in McKinney, Texas has been placed on administrative leave after a video surfaced showing him throwing down a 15-year-old girl at a pool party, and then pulling his weapon. Police say they were called by reports of a disturbance among juveniles but cameras did not capture anything leading up to the encounter with the police. The 15-year-old girl was detained and released to her parents. The McKinney police say they are investigating the incident. We`ll monitor this when you have kids in bathing suits and bikinis, clearly there does not seem to be any reason to throw a 15-year-old girl and put her face down and then pull a gun. There were no life extenuating circumstances that we could see. That`s why video is important. Imagine if there was no video what the story may be. Let`s continue to monitor this.

Thanks for watching. I`m Al Sharpton. "HARDBALL" starts right now.

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