This thin post is just to whet you appetite to encourage some more exploration. You will not be disappointed as you look at the Pick 5 in totally different light.

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As some of you know there are seven magic squares of the planets. Basically Saturn, Jupiter, Mars, the Sun, Venus, Mercury, and the Moon each has a Magic Square. For more complete info go to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_squares

The magic squares have "mathematically magical" properties. One of these properties is the fact is that each square equals the same constant or number whether you add the numbers horizontally, vertically, or the center diagonals. For example lets look at the Magic Square of the Sun:

Each horizontal and vertical line each add up to the constant of 111.

Also each of the two longest diagonals starting at 1 and ending at 36 and the other starting at 6 and ending at 31 add up to 111.

If you add all the vertical lines or add all the horizontal lines you end up with 666.

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There are speculations that the magic Squares, besides having interesting but simple mathematical manipulations like the one above, they have no other use. Through the centuries there were speculations that they could be used in astrology or to even predict the future among other uses.

The jury is still out, but I there be a way to reconcile the Magic Square of the Planets with the Lottery games.

Even though I may sometimes use practical esoterica to explore things conceptually, this does not have to be an esoteric endeavor. Lets make it simple...

I believe in Correspondence. Quantum physics implies that no matter how obtuse, everything in the universe is connected or corresponds to each other. In a word, this is why I propose that there may way to reconcile the magic Square of the Planets with the Lottery games. Even though the Magic squares were not invented for the lottery, they can still be used in the lottery. Like I said, everything corresponds, so to put it crudely I could have used a computer algorithm, crystal ball, or even a dream to predict numbers for the lottery. Again, I'm being a little crude, because its a little bit more involved than this, but you can use anything. Of course what you use has its own way of communicating and that is the tricky part. You have to figure out its language.

I've noticed that the Magic square of the Sun may be used for the Pick 5. There are other squares for that may be used for this game or the other games, but let's focus on the Magic Square of the Sun, which again is:

Lets use the New York Pick 5. The Total combos for the Pick 5 of 1 - 39 numbers is 575757 combos. Remember that the total sum for the Magic Square of the Sun if you add all the rows or columns is 666.

Divide 575757 by 666 and that equals 864.5:

575757/ 666 = 864.5 or 864 or 865. You see that 864? To me 864 is also 314(PI), if you mirror the first 2 digits. Also...You see that 865? To me that 865 is also 360 or 365 if you mirror a couple of digits. Isn't 360 a circle. Isn't 365 the number of days in the year.

You know what this means? 864.5 Magic Square of the Suns equals 575757.If you know that 864.5 Magic Square of the Suns equals 575757(864.5 X 666 = 575757), how can using this template help you to figure out how to predict numbers for the Pick 5?

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Another Correspondence: Observe that each line of the Magic Square of the Moon equals 369. As a significant sidenote for future thought, 369 also equals 314(PI) if you mirror a the last 2 numbers.

The whole Magic Square of the Moon equals 3321.

Now If you numerically compress the combos for the NY Pick 5 of 575757 to

575 + 757 = 1332

you will notice that there is correspondence between the 1332 of 575757 and the 3321 of the Moon's Magic Square . They are in fact the same, because if you "travel west" on the numbers and "moving 180 degrees" 3321 is also:

3321...3213...2133...1332. Viola! The Magic Square of the Moon can correspond to the NY Pick 5 as well.

By the way, I'll try to talk about the usefulness of numerical compression as I did with 575757 - 575+757 = 3321, and "traveling" on numbers as I did with "going west on 3321" in a future post.

I hope I've at least stimulated some of you...I did say it was a thin post, but I'll look to offer a few more ideas about this in a future post...There is one SUPER-HUGE thing about those squares I am bursting to share, but not now. I haven't played with it enough...

Again, I just mentioned all the above to whet your appetite and inspire you to explore and see correspondences in general, and the Magic Squares in particular, and possibly use them to inform your picks.

There may be some, who will doubt all that I posted and declare its all rubbish. They would be right. There are some who would say that this magic square thing is not rubbishand they would be right. Yes...they are both right, because their awareness creates their reality, and those two realities cannot exist together in the same place(space)...

interesting. enough so, that i looked at the other site referenced. i have a passing knowledge of magic squares but have never looked at them the way you do. thanks for kicking the dust off a couple of brain cells. looking forward to more info.

interesting. enough so, that i looked at the other site referenced. i have a passing knowledge of magic squares but have never looked at them the way you do. thanks for kicking the dust off a couple of brain cells. looking forward to more info.

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Hi phileight.

Yes, there's MORE to be gained from those magic squares. One just may have to tune out, at least for a while, the conventional ways that the squares have been approached. Thanks for appreciating the info.

You keep saying you do "mirroring", whatever that is, that changes 865 to 360 or 365 and then say 360 is a circle and 365 is the number of days in a year. So which is it? 360 or 365? I don't even know what mirroring is. Dude, seriously, it IS rubbish. I wish more people here would stop trying to take something that applies to something else and then AUTOMATICALLY CLAIM that it can be used for something else like winning the lottery. Why do people here keep coming up with all this mathematical nonsense and post it claiming they have found something? Not only that, they say something to the effect of "Well, there's more, but I'm not going to give it out yet". I wish they would stop. If it's effective, THEN SHOW HOW IT IS EFFECTIVE.

You keep saying you do "mirroring", whatever that is, that changes 865 to 360 or 365 and then say 360 is a circle and 365 is the number of days in a year. So which is it? 360 or 365? I don't even know what mirroring is. Dude, seriously, it IS rubbish. I wish more people here would stop trying to take something that applies to something else and then AUTOMATICALLY CLAIM that it can be used for something else like winning the lottery. Why do people here keep coming up with all this mathematical nonsense and post it claiming they have found something? Not only that, they say something to the effect of "Well, there's more, but I'm not going to give it out yet". I wish they would stop. If it's effective, THEN SHOW HOW IT IS EFFECTIVE.

Hi Guru101.

Being that you hasve posted quite alot on the LP, I'm surprised you don't know what mirrors are. Mirrors have been talked about ad nauseum. In the future use the "search" feature to find what 'mirrors' or anything else is on the LP. These are the mirrors:

0=5

1=6

2=7

3=8

4=9

Secondly, judging from your post, it seems I've caused you a wee bit of distress...Don't let me have that much influence in your life . So I agree, lets chalk up what I've posted to...as you say...complete "rubbish" and "mathematical nonsense".

I forgot to address your comment about 865, 365 and 360. To me and the way I play the lottery, they are generally the same.

As we know, 365 is the numbers of days in the year. It begins at day 1 and circles through to day 365 on its way back to 1. That's a circle. The earth circles(360 degrees) around the sun and essentially returns to the "same spot". So for me, and its pertinence to lottery logic, 365 = 360. This correspondence and others can be useful. Again, you implied this correspondence was arbitrary and said it was "rubbish". Whatever works for you...

The stuff below concerning mirrors was taken from my blog:

"Sometimes, when I play the Pick 3, I don't look at it as if I have to figure out 1 number in 1000(straights), or even 1 in 220(Box). I look at it as if I'm playing 1 in 35 numbers. Of course, I'm being slightly disingenuous, but not really.

When I choose from among only 35 numbers, I'm really choosing from among 35 families of numbers. The family are grouped into mirrors. One you look at a number, its helpful to know that it has other faces or expressions. Those other faces are mirrors. Its been hardwired in my brain, that when I see a number I see all of its mirrors. Through observation, I've come to believe the lottery, among other things, is also based on mirrors. So in essence when I play a number, I also play its mirrors. Remember, the mirrors for each digit are:

0 = 5

1 = 6

2 = 7

3 = 8

4 = 9

So Here are the 35 NUMBERS/MIRRORS

Triples

1. 000, 005, 055, 555

2. 111, 116, 166, 666

3. 222, 227, 277, 777

4. 333, 338, 388, 888

5. 444, 449, 499, 999

DOUBLES - 1st SET

6. 001, 006, 051, 056, 551, 556

7. 112, 117, 162, 167, 662, 667

8. 223, 228, 273, 278, 773, 778

9. 334, 339, 384, 389, 884, 889

10. 445, 440, 495, 490, 990, 995

DOUBLES - 2nd SET

11. 002, 007, 552, 557, 502, 507

12. 113, 118, 663, 668, 613, 618

13. 224, 229, 774, 779, 724, 729

14. 335, 330, 885, 880, 835, 830

15. 446, 441, 446, 991, 946, 941

DOUBLES - 3rd SET

16. 003, 008, 053, 058, 553, 558

17. 114, 119, 164, 169, 664, 669

18. 225, 220, 275, 270, 775, 770

19. 336, 331, 386, 381, 886, 881

20. 447, 442, 497, 492, 997, 992

DOUBLES - 4th SET

21. 004, 009, 054, 059, 554, 559

22. 115, 110, 165, 160, 665, 660

23. 226, 221, 276, 271, 776, 771

24. 337, 332, 387, 382, 887, 882

25. 448, 443, 498, 493, 998, 993

SINGLES - 1st SET

26. 012, 017, 062, 067, 512, 517, 562, 567

27. 123, 128, 173, 178, 623, 628, 673, 678

28. 234, 239, 284, 289, 734, 739, 784, 789

29. 345, 340, 395, 390, 845, 840, 895, 890

30. 456, 451, 406, 401. 956, 951, 906, 901

SINGLES - 2nd SET

31. 013, 018, 063, 068, 513, 518, 563, 568

32. 124, 129, 174, 179, 624, 629, 674, 679

33. 235, 230, 285, 280, 735, 730, 785, 780

34. 346, 341, 396, 391, 846, 841, 896, 891

35. 457, 452, 407, 402, 957, 952, 907, 902

Again, the above just represents 35 numbers. Sometimes, when I play the Pick 3, I just choose 1 or 2 of the above lines. Of course, choosing good numbers using this perception depends on the strategy you use...That will posted by and by..."

I have seen a few "systems" come and go. The degree to which they work varies. most any "system"will work somewhere sometime. I scan through active topics too see if there are any interesting discussions or ideas. Most of what I look at I ignore without comment. Just because I disagree doesn't make me right. If I have explored something similiar and have relevant info I may express that.

The point is, I did find your post interesting. Don't know enough to say its good or bad just interesting. I like your response to Guru?? and I agree, if you don't find it interesting or relevant, move on.

As I find that all gambling games cannot be overcome by standard conventional math, out f the box or esoteric methodologies have a justifiable fascination for me.In that regard your sun/moon materials are most interesting reading.

What timing protocols do you use for the NY pick 5 ?

For my edification purposes and not to put you on the spot, have you found the number squares to work?

In reciprocation:

Great historic pix of NYC- New York in Black and White

These antique pix are way before my time, so I can't say a trip down amenisa lane.....

I have seen a few "systems" come and go. The degree to which they work varies. most any "system"will work somewhere sometime. I scan through active topics too see if there are any interesting discussions or ideas. Most of what I look at I ignore without comment. Just because I disagree doesn't make me right. If I have explored something similiar and have relevant info I may express that.

The point is, I did find your post interesting. Don't know enough to say its good or bad just interesting. I like your response to Guru?? and I agree, if you don't find it interesting or relevant, move on.

thanks and keep me thinking

p8

Phileight,

Thanks for your sentiments. I'm glad you found the post interesting. I prefer to get people thinking in new ways, instead of giving them the immediate answers or hard and fast conclusions. So what I'll do, at least for the interested few, is post the not so "willy-nilly" concepts and a few concrete templates to get people who are interested and choose to work on it, at least traveling in a hopefully decent direction. If then choose to veer into a slightly or wholly different direction, all the better, for they're following their own creative intuitition. I can't post all that 'little-else' I know because its not ripe yet and would sound so ill-formed and incoherent...I'm still working on it myself while turning it over in my head trying to go deeper and deeper. All that I've posted on the LP were and are skeletons or works in progress that have continued to evolve. I also feel that the most enjoyable, creative, and knowledge-absorbing stage of cracking any problem is the process rather than the end-result, even though of course the end is always sweet as well.

As I find that all gambling games cannot be overcome by standard conventional math, out f the box or esoteric methodologies have a justifiable fascination for me.In that regard your sun/moon materials are most interesting reading.

What timing protocols do you use for the NY pick 5 ?

For my edification purposes and not to put you on the spot, have you found the number squares to work?

In reciprocation:

Great historic pix of NYC- New York in Black and White

These antique pix are way before my time, so I can't say a trip down amenisa lane.....

As far as the Pick 5 is concerned and its pertinence to the Magic Square of the Sun, I haven't really haven't begun to work on it in earnest. I've observed and made alot of notes, and I know the way I want to proceed , but I haven't gotten down to it in a rigorous way. Partly because when I started playing the lottery 2 years, I was always focused on the seemingly easiest game - the Pick 3, which was and is a great training ground and has taught me so much. From my newbie observation, the Pick 4 and 5 will be much much easier to handle. I have found they all will follow the same "rules" with just a little tweaking for each respective game. I will underline though, that for the Pick 5, one observe the actual draw, and pay a attention to the exact order of the drawn balls rather than the ascending way its printed in the next's days results.

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I've been exploring using the Magic Square of Saturn for the Pick 3.

And to answer your direct question, yes, if applied in certain ways, I do feel the squares work. No "hard and fast rules" just yet, because I'm of course limited by knowledge I may not have. So I have to sit and play with it a little more, and let it marinate to see what pops up. I trust those "rules" will come. I just have to be patient and keep my eyes way open...

Also...as of yet, I've not been dealing with "time of draw" that much at least in a concrete way. Conceptually - yes, concretely - only slightly. But rather I've been dealing with the number of days that have passed in our 365 day year. After I've played with this a little more, then I'll hone down to more specifics, and merge my ideas about time with the day of the year, to get a better reading of what's going to come out for the next day's draw.

Thanks for those great NY picks...Way, way, way before my time as well, but they are still poetically beautiful.

By the way EddessaKnight you've echoed my sentiments exactly about trying to beat the lottery. If you gamble the conventional way, you are playing by their rules. These gambling games have all weighed and accounted for the static odds of their particular game so that in the end they will usually come out on top.

I feel one has to also look outside of that conventional paradigm in order trump their odds with techniques and methodologies they could and hopefully would not consider. Like I always say, your awareness creates your reality...so if one's only reality is that one cannot defy gambling odds, then its true, especially given that one is using conventional techniques in mostly conventional ways to beat a gambling paradigm that has already thought of and accounted for most of those techniques or any possible range thereof.

But if one's reality, even as it pertains to the seemingly mundane lottery, is a little more expansive and you embrace other non-linear and non-conventional paradigms then you may have a more holistic chance of trumping the lottery. Just my dreamscape 2-cents

The ideal situation is a quantum solution - a merging of the two...Hmm...As if to infer that they were acting outside their nature were never really connected to begin with...Exclude nothing. Embrace everything. As Bruce Lee said "totality meets all obstacles". Huh? HAHAHA, sorry I digress...I think you get the point...

By the way EddessaKnight you've echoed my sentiments exactly about trying to beat the lottery. If you gamble the conventional way, you are playing by their rules. These gambling games have all weighed and accounted for the static odds of their particular game so that in the end they will usually come out on top.

I feel one has to also look outside of that conventional paradigm in order trump their odds with techniques and methodologies they could and hopefully would not consider. Like I always say, your awareness creates your reality...so if one's only reality is that one cannot defy gambling odds, then its true, especially given that one is using conventional techniques in mostly conventional ways to beat a gambling paradigm that has already thought of and accounted for most of those techniques or any possible range thereof.

But if one's reality, even as it pertains to the seemingly mundane lottery, is a little more expansive and you embrace other non-linear and non-conventional paradigms then you may have a more holistic chance of trumping the lottery. Just my dreamscape 2-cents

The ideal situation is a quantum solution - a merging of the two...Hmm...As if to infer that they were acting outside their nature were never really connected to begin with...Exclude nothing. Embrace everything. As Bruce Lee said "totality meets all obstacles". Huh? HAHAHA, sorry I digress...I think you get the point...

Hello Kola,

Without sounding patronizing, you should be commended to go where no lottery/keno ping ball would be commonly predicted to go !

When in experimentation field of imaginative thought, it radically differs from the standard clinical lab world where everything proceeds according to standard deviations, etc., and players continually lose to negative math expectations at a alarming rate ..... There is always an ongoing assult against imagination by the conventional forces of sobriety and supporters of the status quo gaming industries.

A Quick and perhaps unitiated question relative the ever elusive question of timing:

Would the sun magic square numbers be applicable when the sun is dominant or your above saturn pick 3 above example workable when saturn is....? Thanks in advance-

If you have never heard of Jack Gillen predictions, you will find his out of the box but validated results for all fields of speculation nothing short of amazing, most adaptable and encoraging.

I have had some humble but modest experimental success with Pythagorean Theory of harmonics & numbers.

Keep hitting the good vibes, there are some tuning forks who are in resonance.

Although preceptions are real they are not reality, worth thinking about it folks.