Boothe I feel sorry for you. You have mental problems. I could care less that you were hit in the side while stopped and you had minor damage. If you had been driving 55 mph and hit him with the front of your car you would have had many thousands of dollars in damage. When you are driving 55 mph down the road you are traveling 80 feet/sec. It is almost impossible for a deer to hit you in the side at that speed because he would have to time his road crossing to one or two tenths of a second. If he is in front of you he has many seconds he can be in front of you until you hit him. Again facts mean nothing to libertarians. Wide angle headlights? Sorry, if you are driving 55 mph down the road or more wide angle does you no good unless you have them pointed well ahead down the road, high beams are what really help. You should not use those with oncoming traffic. Yes I was able to stop once at 55 mph with low beams but it was not that I saw the deer but the road did not look right and I hit the brakes. I do not think it was my headlights that caused me to stop but another vehicle in the oncoming lanes.

Boothe tell me how people who run corporations are worse than you? You feel it is a person’s right to drive drunk, a person’s right to drive recklessly, a person’s right to endanger others. How is a corporations worse than that? There are more people killed in traffic accidents caused by things that you feel a person has a right to do. There are more people killed in a weekend by drunk drivers than there were in all of the Pinto fires.

Helot how many thousands were killed in NY by terrorists? I agree to do something before they do it again. That is not the libertarian way though. You put a bulls eye on your chest. I know, libertarians think the government killed the people in NY. Libertarians are stupid.

Blake, concrete will exist but with people like Eric refusing to pay for anything the concrete will stay where it is. I have asked a dozen times what Eric is going to do about roads and he just said they will handle themselves. He is not paying. Blake if you have all libertarians where you live then there will be no roads because they refuse to pay anything towards their maintenance.

On that first post, Eric, all I can say is: Wow. If Clover was hitting the pipe as he composed this, as the pic suggest, the crack must have been laced with with acid, angel dust, and peyote. And maybe a little Mad Cow Disease to boot. Feel like I need a dose of lithium myself after reading it.

The worst part of the Clovers, is they’re not even doing their job. One of us will have to competently argue the case for altruism, forced hierarchies, egalitarianism and all the rest. None of our Clovers have a single clue.

― Banksy Quotes
“The people who run our cities don’t understand graffiti because they think nothing has the right to exist unless it makes a profit.

The people who truly deface our neighborhoods are the companies that scrawl giant slogans across buildings and buses trying to make us feel inadequate unless we buy their stuff.

Any advertisement in public space that gives you no choice whether you see it or not is yours; it belongs to you, it’s yours to take, rearrange and reuse.

“People are taking the piss out of you everyday. They butt into your life, take a cheap shot at you and then disappear. They leer at you from tall buildings and make you feel small. They make flippant comments from buses that imply you’re not sexy enough and that all the fun is happening somewhere else. They are on TV making your girlfriend feel inadequate.

They have access to the most sophisticated technology the world has ever seen and they bully you with it. They are The Advertisers and they are laughing at you. You, however, are forbidden to touch them. Trademarks, intellectual property rights and copyright law mean advertisers can say what they like wherever they like with total impunity.

Fuck that. Any advert in a public space that gives you no choice whether you see it or not is yours. You can do whatever you like with it. Asking for permission is like asking to keep a rock someone just threw at your head.

You owe the companies nothing. Less than nothing, you especially don’t owe them any courtesy. They owe you. They have re-arranged the world to put themselves in front of you. They never asked for your permission, don’t even start asking for theirs.”

“I mean, they say you die twice. One time when you stop breathing and a second time, a bit later on, when somebody says your name for the last time.”

“Graffiti is one of the few tools you have if you have almost nothing. And even if you don’t come up with a picture to cure world poverty you can make someone smile while they’re having a piss.”

“There’s nothing more dangerous than someone who wants to make the world a better place.”

“Art should comfort the disturbed and disturb the comfortable.”

“The thing I hate the most about advertising is that it attracts all the bright, creative and ambitious young people, leaving us mainly with the slow and self-obsessed to become our artists.. Modern art is a disaster area. Never in the field of human history has so much been used by so many to say so little.”

“Nothing in the world is more common than unsuccessful people with talent, leave the house before you find something worth staying in for. ”

“If you want to say something and have people listen then you have to wear a mask. If you want to be honest then you have to live a lie.”

“Imagine a city where graffiti wasn’t illegal, a city where everybody could draw whatever they liked. Where every street was awash with a million colours and little phrases. Where standing at a bus stop was never boring. A city that felt like a party where everyone was invited, not just the estate agents and barons of big business. Imagine a city like that and stop leaning against the wall – it’s wet.”

“A lot of people never use their initiative because no-one told them to.”

“Once upon a time, there was a king who ruled a great and glorious nation. Favourite amongst his subjects was the court painter of whom he was very proud.

Everybody agreed this wizened old man painted the greatest pictures in the whole kingdom and the king would spend hours each day gazing at them in wonder.

However, one day a dirty and dishevelled stranger presented himself at the court claiming that in fact he was the greatest painter in the land. The indignant king decreed a competition would be held between the two artists, confident it would teach the vagabond an embarrassing lesson.

Within a month they were both to produce a masterpiece that would out do the other. After thirty days of working feverishly day and night, both artists were ready. They placed their paintings, each hidden by a cloth, on easels in the great hall of the castle.

As a large crowd gathered, the king ordered the cloth be pulled first from the court artist’s easel. Everyone gasped as before them was revealed a wonderful oil painting of a table set with a feast.

At its centre was an ornate bowl full of exotic fruits glistening moistly in the dawn light. As the crowd gazed admiringly, a sparrow perched high up on the rafters of the hall swooped down and hungrily tried to snatch one of the grapes from the painted bowl only to hit the canvas and fall down dead with shock at the feet of the king. ’Aha!’ exclaimed the king. ’My artist has produced a painting so wonderful it has fooled nature herself, surely you must agree that he is the greatest painter who ever lived!’

But the vagabond said nothing and stared solemnly at his feet. ’Now, pull the blanket from your painting and let us see what you have for us,’ cried the king. But the tramp remained motionless and said nothing.

Growing impatient, the king stepped forward and reached out to grab the blanket only to freeze in horror at the last moment. ’You see,’ said the tramp quietly, ’there is no blanket covering the painting. This is actually just a painting of a cloth covering a painting. And whereas your famous artist is content to fool nature, I’ve made the king of the whole country look like a clueless little twat.”

“People who get up early in the morning cause war, death and famine.”

“Become good at cheating and you never need to become good at anything else.”

“The human race is the most stupid and unfair kind of race. A lot of the runners don’t even get decent sneakers or clean drinking water.

Some runners are born with a massive head start, every possible help along the way and still the referees seem to be on their side.

It’s not surprising a lot of people have given up competing altogether and have gone to sit in the grandstand, eat and drink, and shout abuse.”

“What the human race needs is a lot more streakers.”

“Once upon a time there was a bear and a bee who lived in a wood and were the best of friends. All summer long the bee collected nectar from morning to night while the bear lay on his back basking in the long grass. When winter came the bear realised he had nothing to eat and thought to himself ‘I hope that busy little bee will share some of his honey with me.’ But the bee was nowhere to be found – he had died of a stress induced coronary disease.”

“All artists are willing to suffer for their work. But why are so few prepared to learn to draw?”

“A wall is a very big weapon. It’s one of the nastiest things you can hit someone with.”

“A recent survey or North American males found 42% were overweight, 34% were critically obese and 8% ate the survey.”

“It’s a very frustrated feeling you get when the only people with good photos of your work are the police department.”

“Speak softly, but carry a big can of paint.”

“My main problem with cops is that they do what they’re told. They say ‘Sorry mate, I’m just doing my job’ all the fucking time.”

“I need someone to protect me from all the measures they take in order to protect me. ”

“Only when the last tree has been cut down and the last river has dried up will man realise that reciting Red Indian proverbs makes you sound like a fucking muppet.”

“Live as a villain, die as a hero”

“Graffiti ultimately wins out over proper art because it becomes part of your city, it’ s a tool; “I’ll meet you in that pub, you know, the one opposite that wall with a picture of a monkey holding a chainsaw”. I mean, how much more useful can a painting be than that?”

“As far as I can tell the only thing worth looking at in most museums of art is all the schoolgirls on daytrips with the art departments.”

“If you have a statue in the city centre you could go past it every day on your way to school and never even notice it, right. But as soon as someone puts a traffic cone on its head, you’ve made your own sculpture.”

“I could sit in a pub and tell you all the things that are written in this book but you wouldn’t fucking listen.”
― Banksy Quotes

Clover wrote @ 1:17 pm: “Helot I glimpsed at some of your links. I did not have to look past the first paragraph.”

Well, I guess that cinches it then. You glimpsed at the links and that’s All that’s that matters.

How-freaking-ever, imho:

If you’re an intellectual, you’ve failed.
As such, you’re supposed to understand the opposing viewpoint.

If You’re a Christian, you’ve failed.
As such, you’re commanded to understand the opposing viewpoint.

If you’re a PAID FOR whore for the state, you’ve been successful.
“Understanding” is not required of those upon whom whore for the empire.

If you’d a read the link and understood, then – Maybe – you’d have a leg to stand on.
But you didn’t even bother to do that.
I’m not surprised.
Of course you’re comforted by the fact that you’re Not alone. Millions of people take the same perspective. It’s why Oprah Winfrey is so popular. It’s sooo easy to avoid thinking! And instead, be told wHAt to think.

Also, it’s funny how you say, “There is one question you need to answer,” …Then you ask two questions.
Yet, you Never – Ever – answer a single question anyone asks you. It’s like you’re a robot or something.

You’re Very into ‘People Control’.
Do you view people as inanimate objects?
It seems that way.
As if people are just plastic?
Our overlords are like that, too. Why do you identify with them so much?

“I have asked a dozen times what Eric is going to do about roads and he just said they will handle themselves. He is not paying.”

Clover fails to understand that roads are created in Fee Simple, meaning that every kind of tax such as income, fuel excise, council rates, traffic fines – everything – pays for roads.

That simply means if you breathe then you own part of the roads and have the right to use them – licence not required if you’re “travelling”, because “driving” is a paid profession that only grabbermint can allow or deny.

If grabbermint laments there’s not enough money for roads and wants more taxes as an excuse, it’s only that they failed to allocate enough in the budget before they paid their own salaries and pensions.

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Eric started out writing about cars for mainstream media outlets such as The Washington Times, Detroit News and Free Press, Investors Business Daily, The American Spectator, National Review, The Chicago Tribune and Wall Street Journal.