CSB:I dated an amazingly beautiful girl who had read her and wanted to be submissive to me because she idolized the late 40's housewife. Full of crazy and honest about it with no regrets. I tried to act the role of dominating alpha male, it wasn't me. Treated every day like it was the last day I was ever going to have sex. Now all I want is crazy.

Mom is a European style feminist. I swear it turned me liberal and I can't see any truth in conservatism, so dating that aforementioned girl was also a rebellion against .. something.Anyway the girl cheated on me with some useless musician guy, "never saw that coming", so hell If I know which way is up with women.

Feminism not only diminishes women's choices but denigrates the very gender it is supposed to protect.

The roll of "full-time mom" is both a "career choice" that is more unavailable to women and is a career-choice that is denigrated by the "feminist" movement. Note also that by denigrating the idea of a "full-time dad" or "house-dad", feminism is also saying that a homemaker role is one to be looked down upon.

... said the Straw Feminist. We don't know her, she's from Canada. But she totally exists, we'll just have to trust you.

WhippingBoy:dersk: WhippingBoy: dersk: WhippingBoy: douchebag/hater: The Betty Friedan who came from a well-off family and went to private schools all her life then married 'wealthy' and had maids cleaning her houses and basically had the world by the tail then wrote a book biatching how tough it is to be a woman?That Betty Friedan?

Bullshiat is bullshiat especially from a hypocrite.

Actually, I've found this to be true about a number of self-described "feminists": upper-middle class background, highly educated, high-five or six figure income, life of privilege... yet somehow, they're "oppressed" because one guy in a bar once called them "fat".

Name one.

One has posted in this thread.

And that would be...?

I'd rather not get banned.

Translation: "Uh, crap. I got called on it, and I can't actually name anyone who has posted in the thread who meets that condition. I better give a weak excuse, and then name some vague strawman that no one can directly quote to show me wrong."

How about any PhD level professor of "Gender Studies" working at a major university?

TFA has extensive quotes from Jessica Valenti, the good looking "modern feminist" who attended a luncheon with Bill Clinton and stood in front of him in a pose to accentuate her breasts. Maybe she was just trying to entrap him

Theaetetus:WhippingBoy: dersk: WhippingBoy: dersk: WhippingBoy: douchebag/hater: The Betty Friedan who came from a well-off family and went to private schools all her life then married 'wealthy' and had maids cleaning her houses and basically had the world by the tail then wrote a book biatching how tough it is to be a woman?That Betty Friedan?

Bullshiat is bullshiat especially from a hypocrite.

Actually, I've found this to be true about a number of self-described "feminists": upper-middle class background, highly educated, high-five or six figure income, life of privilege... yet somehow, they're "oppressed" because one guy in a bar once called them "fat".

Name one.

One has posted in this thread.

And that would be...?

I'd rather not get banned.

Translation: "Uh, crap. I got called on it, and I can't actually name anyone who has posted in the thread who meets that condition. I better give a weak excuse, and then name some vague strawman that no one can directly quote to show me wrong."

How about any PhD level professor of "Gender Studies" working at a major university?

HairBolus:TFA has extensive quotes from Jessica Valenti, the good looking "modern feminist" who attended a luncheon with Bill Clinton and stood in front of him in a pose to accentuate her breasts. Maybe she was just trying to entrap him

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Christ, you're dumb.

Longer version: she's turned to the side, her shoulders aren't really pitched far back, her back isn't particularly arched. She's only accentuating her breasts in the sense that she has breasts.

Theaetetus:WhippingBoy: dersk: WhippingBoy: dersk: WhippingBoy: douchebag/hater: The Betty Friedan who came from a well-off family and went to private schools all her life then married 'wealthy' and had maids cleaning her houses and basically had the world by the tail then wrote a book biatching how tough it is to be a woman?That Betty Friedan?

Bullshiat is bullshiat especially from a hypocrite.

Actually, I've found this to be true about a number of self-described "feminists": upper-middle class background, highly educated, high-five or six figure income, life of privilege... yet somehow, they're "oppressed" because one guy in a bar once called them "fat".

Name one.

One has posted in this thread.

And that would be...?

I'd rather not get banned.

Translation: "Uh, crap. I got called on it, and I can't actually name anyone who has posted in the thread who meets that condition. I better give a weak excuse, and then name some vague strawman that no one can directly quote to show me wrong."

How about any PhD level professor of "Gender Studies" working at a major university?

And there we have it. All the usual little white knights have shown up. I believe we can call this a wrap fellas. Might as well shut the door now before they start screaming in their manliest soprano voice about how you shouldn't "insert whatever random feminist shiat they've chosen to whine about today."

Yesterday it was 50 year old statues, I wonder what they shoved up their ass today to get them going...

Spaced Cowboy:And there we have it. All the usual little white knights have shown up. I believe we can call this a wrap fellas. Might as well shut the door now before they start screaming in their manliest soprano voice about how you shouldn't "insert whatever random feminist shiat they've chosen to whine about today."

Yesterday it was 50 year old statues, I wonder what they shoved up their ass today to get them going...

dersk:HairBolus: TFA has extensive quotes from Jessica Valenti, the good looking "modern feminist" who attended a luncheon with Bill Clinton and stood in front of him in a pose to accentuate her breasts. Maybe she was just trying to entrap him

[www.nospeedbumps.com image 450x320]

Christ, you're dumb.

Longer version: she's turned to the side, her shoulders aren't really pitched far back, her back isn't particularly arched. She's only accentuating her breasts in the sense that she has breasts.

Ms.Friedan and an entourage of approximately ten people came into a piano bar I was working one night..circa 1975. Within 15 minutes,she came to me and produced a dollar...Putting it in my jar,she said;..."Could you take a break please..the people with me wanna hear what I have to say.." I dont know if this story is so much about Betty or my piano playing...But that's what happened.. Thank you..tip your waitress and drive safely.

To teach my students about argument, I use this: Women should or should not be required to register for selective service. Once I explain what it is, most of my female students argue yes, they should, and my male students argue no, they should not. I have been using this example for 10 years, and the answers almost always mirror this. I have yet to understand.

I read the book. It was awful.

There is a big difference between feminist and feminazi.

I do admit, I like having doors opened for me, help on with my coat, and chairs pulled out. There is something about that old fashioned behavior that makes me willing to put out. The entire time my fiance and I have been together I have not opened my own door, put on my coat without help, pulled out my own chair, or had to lift anything heavy. However, I do pay for dates. I have no problem with that at all. I joke with him that I paid, so he has to put out. He smiles and agrees.

Shakespeare's Sister:To teach my students about argument, I use this: Women should or should not be required to register for selective service. Once I explain what it is, most of my female students argue yes, they should, and my male students argue no, they should not. I have been using this example for 10 years, and the answers almost always mirror this. I have yet to understand.

I read the book. It was awful.

There is a big difference between feminist and feminazi.

I do admit, I like having doors opened for me, help on with my coat, and chairs pulled out. There is something about that old fashioned behavior that makes me willing to put out. The entire time my fiance and I have been together I have not opened my own door, put on my coat without help, pulled out my own chair, or had to lift anything heavy. However, I do pay for dates. I have no problem with that at all. I joke with him that I paid, so he has to put out. He smiles and agrees.

Oh, apparently YOU'RE the one who's bitter because someone called you fat in a bar once. I can just sense the rage seeping between the lines of your post.

I don't know what a "Feminine Mystique" is, but considering she died in 2006, I'd say its resonating days are over. And by looking at the photos of her, I'm not sure I would have want to see it resonate back then, either. I'll let you know more once Urban Dictionary gets a definition up.

dersk:Shakespeare's Sister: To teach my students about argument, I use this: Women should or should not be required to register for selective service. Once I explain what it is, most of my female students argue yes, they should, and my male students argue no, they should not. I have been using this example for 10 years, and the answers almost always mirror this. I have yet to understand.

I read the book. It was awful.

There is a big difference between feminist and feminazi.

I do admit, I like having doors opened for me, help on with my coat, and chairs pulled out. There is something about that old fashioned behavior that makes me willing to put out. The entire time my fiance and I have been together I have not opened my own door, put on my coat without help, pulled out my own chair, or had to lift anything heavy. However, I do pay for dates. I have no problem with that at all. I joke with him that I paid, so he has to put out. He smiles and agrees.

Oh, apparently YOU'RE the one who's bitter because someone called you fat in a bar once. I can just sense the rage seeping between the lines of your post.

I am not bitter, and there was no rage in the post. I do not know where you got either of those ideas from. Wow. Just wow. Did we skip our meds this morning?

HairBolus:TFA has extensive quotes from Jessica Valenti, the good looking "modern feminist" who attended a luncheon with Bill Clinton and stood in front of him in a pose to accentuate her breasts. Maybe she was just trying to entrap him

[www.nospeedbumps.com image 450x320]

Her shoulders are forward. She's actually trying to de-accentuate her breasts.

Yes, because God forbid women should stand up for themselves and demand equality.

I knew before I click this thread would be full of hostile, defensive men, but I've still gotta hand it to you for your alacrity. Right off the bat.

I will say, so that this post does more than just point out what a defensive idiot Generation D is (and really, you don't need me to tell you that), that it's very interesting to read The Feminine Mystique now, 50 years later. It's encouraging to see how far we've come, and enlightening to see how far we still have to go.

DamnYankees:Feminism is one of those things which was so successful in completely transforming the way society views itself and its goal was so broadly achieved and became so 'normal' (mostly), that the idea of having a movement for it become a weird thing and therefore garnered a lot of hate.

women working is more the result of industrialization than the feminist movement. Industrialization and the rise of the tertiary sector made it possible for women to work were it was previously physically impossible. i am curious to find out what is going to happen to women in the next 50 years because just like primary and secondary jobs were reduced by industrialization, teriary jobs are being replaced by computerization (think how many people work in retail shops and how those are being replaced by online shops).

Shakespeare's Sister:dersk: Shakespeare's Sister: To teach my students about argument, I use this: Women should or should not be required to register for selective service. Once I explain what it is, most of my female students argue yes, they should, and my male students argue no, they should not. I have been using this example for 10 years, and the answers almost always mirror this. I have yet to understand.

I read the book. It was awful.

There is a big difference between feminist and feminazi.

I do admit, I like having doors opened for me, help on with my coat, and chairs pulled out. There is something about that old fashioned behavior that makes me willing to put out. The entire time my fiance and I have been together I have not opened my own door, put on my coat without help, pulled out my own chair, or had to lift anything heavy. However, I do pay for dates. I have no problem with that at all. I joke with him that I paid, so he has to put out. He smiles and agrees.

Oh, apparently YOU'RE the one who's bitter because someone called you fat in a bar once. I can just sense the rage seeping between the lines of your post.

I am not bitter, and there was no rage in the post. I do not know where you got either of those ideas from. Wow. Just wow. Did we skip our meds this morning?

No, no, no - someone posted about how all the feminists, including someone in the thread, only care about equal rights and stuff like that because they were once insulted. When I challenged the poster to say who he was talking about, he detumesced.

Gunny Walker:I don't know what a "Feminine Mystique" is, but considering she died in 2006, I'd say its resonating days are over. And by looking at the photos of her, I'm not sure I would have want to see it resonate back then, either. I'll let you know more once Urban Dictionary gets a definition up.

dersk:No, no, no - someone posted about how all the feminists, including someone in the thread, only care about equal rights and stuff like that because they were once insulted. When I challenged the poster to say who he was talking about, he detumesced.

He's talking about me.

Here is what I said:

Actually, I've found this to be true about a number of self-described "feminists": upper-middle class background, highly educated, high-five or six figure income, life of privilege... yet somehow, they're "oppressed" because one guy in a bar once called them "fat".

GF named my left testicle thundercles:DamnYankees: Feminism is one of those things which was so successful in completely transforming the way society views itself and its goal was so broadly achieved and became so 'normal' (mostly), that the idea of having a movement for it become a weird thing and therefore garnered a lot of hate.

women working is more the result of industrialization than the feminist movement. Industrialization and the rise of the tertiary sector made it possible for women to work were it was previously physically impossible. i am curious to find out what is going to happen to women in the next 50 years because just like primary and secondary jobs were reduced by industrialization, teriary jobs are being replaced by computerization (think how many people work in retail shops and how those are being replaced by online shops).

Primary and secondary jobs? I've never heard that distinction, but I assume you're talking about manufacturing, distribution and retailing?

Given that most of the open jobs in US manufacturing are for more high-tech manufacturing where you need to control the computer, not the drill press, I doubt it'll be an issue. And I'm not sure what planet you've been living on - women have been working since civilization pretty much started. Hell, brewing and baking were women's work, and it's hard enough that they're called brasseries in French (because it takes so much arm strength).

WhippingBoy:dersk: No, no, no - someone posted about how all the feminists, including someone in the thread, only care about equal rights and stuff like that because they were once insulted. When I challenged the poster to say who he was talking about, he detumesced.

He's talking about me.

Here is what I said:

Actually, I've found this to be true about a number of self-described "feminists": upper-middle class background, highly educated, high-five or six figure income, life of privilege... yet somehow, they're "oppressed" because one guy in a bar once called them "fat".

I most certainly did not claim "all" feminists.

But you did call out someone in the thread and then detumesce when I challenged you.

"The only job for men is sludge digger; women smile constantly while doing housework."

one of the largest problems with feminism in general is the fact that they always look at the top of society, find that there are mostly men there, and then declare that society is set up to benefit men. The problem is that feminists will look up and see CEOs, presidents, nobles, generals, and whatever but they do not also look down at the bottom of society. if you do look down, you will find mostly men there too. about 80% of the homeless are men, almost all of combat deaths are men, almost all of uncomfortable and dangerous jobs are done by men, etc. feminists talk about the glass ceiling but they never ever talk about the glass floor. Its a major criticism because there are way more homeless people and prisoners and men in the army than there are CEOs and presidents. the entire idea that society benefits men came from looking at maybe the top 10% of society, and that is not a representative sample.

GF named my left testicle thundercles:DamnYankees: Feminism is one of those things which was so successful in completely transforming the way society views itself and its goal was so broadly achieved and became so 'normal' (mostly), that the idea of having a movement for it become a weird thing and therefore garnered a lot of hate.

women working is more the result of industrialization than the feminist movement. Industrialization and the rise of the tertiary sector made it possible for women to work were it was previously physically impossible. i am curious to find out what is going to happen to women in the next 50 years because just like primary and secondary jobs were reduced by industrialization, teriary jobs are being replaced by computerization (think how many people work in retail shops and how those are being replaced by online shops).

As an on-duty career firefighter who happens to be a female, I can take a quick break from my job to say that,I, rest assured, will never be completely replaced by computerization .And I can also feel confident knowing my brothers on the job will come up with new "woman jokes" that I can laugh off every shift.

dersk:WhippingBoy: dersk: No, no, no - someone posted about how all the feminists, including someone in the thread, only care about equal rights and stuff like that because they were once insulted. When I challenged the poster to say who he was talking about, he detumesced.

He's talking about me.

Here is what I said:

Actually, I've found this to be true about a number of self-described "feminists": upper-middle class background, highly educated, high-five or six figure income, life of privilege... yet somehow, they're "oppressed" because one guy in a bar once called them "fat".

I most certainly did not claim "all" feminists.

But you did call out someone in the thread and then detumesce when I challenged you.

By the way, using the phrase 'a number of' or 'some say' or other words like that is really weak beer. Perhaps you were intending to troll, but I usually read that as 'Here's what I think, and I have no evidence or specific examples, but...'...