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we have all come a long way since Professor Zamboni has given us his great discovery .

The initial hurdle to overcome ..... was the ability to detect whether or not pwMS had unusual neck veins ...... using Doppler radar.....

This has been accomplished .

We have now moved on from the APPEARANCE of the neck veins to the more important aspect ...... are these veins producing FLOW ?

Once again .... Professor Zamboni ...... using new technology ..... has answered this question . pwMS have FLOW restrictions .

Question : Do normal controls that show CCSVI .... have normal blood flow ? Does the BNAC answer that question ?

And finally ..... we now are being given information ..... by fellow CCSVI investigators ...... that the neck veins are rife with INTERNAL obstacles .
By using IVUS technology. We've come a long way , baby.

Appearances can be deceiving .

It's all good , people ..... it's all good.

.....when I walk in a room ...... no one knows who I am ..... put your head on my chest ....... 'cause I'm ...

MS expert Lawrence Steinman, a neurologist at Stanford University, said, "Certainly the [vein blockage] hypothesis carries less and less evidence the more that it's studied. He cautioned that "people running around the world to get this procedure done ought to look at the evidence and save themselves the money."

I am so glad I did not save myself the money; instead I just saved myself. (Doing well, 2 months post-procedure.)

I would hope you could study venograms on people who have not passed a screening tool. What are we screening out here? It is not useful to screen out the false negatives, when so many supposedly healthy people can have positive results that indicate serious outflow obstructions, and so many people who have serious symptoms can have very difficult to find problems that can only be found with IVUS.

Let us face facts. Millions of people have already been diagnosed with CCSVI, by being diagnosed with 'MS'. People with 'MS' are not malingererers looking for unnecessary fluoroscopy. They are really sick.

This unit of entertainment not brought to you by FREMULON.Not a doctor.

You need to start with imaging tests, MrSuccess. Get a beat-up old junk-sale camera. Stand as far away from the BBQ as possible, there are risks you know. Take pictures and look for patterns in the smoke. In two years we should have preliminary answers.

That's not to say that there is no merit in treating MS. Just that treating CCSVI appears very unlikely to prevent MS.

From the Beiruit Paper

"It is more likely to be a secondary phenomenon, possibly present in other neurological diseases, reflecting chronic brain disease and atrophy. The exact mechanism of such process is unclear, since the extracranial venous system, especially in the spinal cord, has never been adequately investigated in chronic neurological diseases. We hypothesize that chronic degenerative brain diseases resulting in significant brain atrophy and tissue loss might lead to a decrease in the volume of venous drainage, resulting ultimately in venous stenosis. In MS specifically, chronic perivenous inflammation might hypothetically lead to release of certain inflammatory mediators that might alter the venous endothelium or lead to venous valvulitis resulting in venous stenosis."

Cece wrote:Get a beat-up old junk-sale camera. Stand as far away from the BBQ as possible, there are risks you know. Take pictures and look for patterns in the smoke.

So these are the caliber of responses to be seen in response to two recent legitimate and unfavorable CCSVI studies?? The "science" of overcooked meat on the bbq and that the researchers are on the take? http://www.thisisms.com/ftopic-16122-0.html

muse for myself, i didn't get the impression that they were coming off particularly hot and controversial... just presenting findings, making conclusions for other scientists to critique, and then attempt to replicate or refute, and so the cycle goes.

just out of curiosity, can you link to the current bnac study you mentioned above?

CCSVI Prevalence Confirmed in MS wrote:"These findings indicate that CCSVI does not have a primary role in causing MS," says Zivadinov. "Ourfindings are consistent with increased prevalence of CCSVI in MS, but substantially lower than thesensitivity and specificity rates in MS reported originally by the Italian investigators."

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