I've never liked the output of sony sensors, but this is great for those who do.

I think, as previously, the rumors of Leica's demise are exaggerated. I think their cameras are crap (try a Zeiss Ikon ZM for a real rangefinder), but I understand why they cost as much as they do. They'll be fine.

Charging this amount for a full frame compact seems to be the thing to do and Sony will be laughing all the way to the bank ... for a while. Then Fuji will bring out something similar and no one will want the Sony and before you know it full frame compacts will be old hat and we'll start searching for the next holy grail.

Charging this amount for a full frame compact seems to be the thing to do and Sony will be laughing all the way to the bank ... for a while. Then Fuji will bring out something similar and no one will want the Sony and before you know it full frame compacts will be old hat and we'll start searching for the next holy grail.

It would seem that for the majority of the RF crowd the main issue is gonna be how the device performs 'in da corners' of the frame with a legacy lens mounted. Are the micro lenses tuned for this application? If so, the price is not gonna be an issue. And if the thing sings using legacy lenses? Then open the flood gates.
Their sensor and kit lens will be tuned for their application and you'd expect IQ to be incredible.
Will it be coincidence if legacy lenses also perform well or is the legacy lens market large enough to warrant a specific engineering directive to test and design the micro lens array with consideration to this application?
Of course the primary goal is for optimal performance using Sony/Zeiss glass.

I find it interesting to see this as often as I see it. I grew up with digital, but I care quite a lot about the "RF experience." I'm selling my M9, but I expect I'll buy an M240 or its successor in a few years. If not the rangefinder, what about the RFs were people drawn to? Should we rename the board, "smallcameraforum," or maybe, "fullframeforum?"

For what I use color for the NEX-7 has been more than adequate. It's great to be able to use my Leica lenses on it and it has been totally reliable; no issues whatsoever in over a year of use.

I expect a FF version to be about twice the street price of a 7 which I think is reasonable given the quality of the pictures you get from it. I'm sure I'll eventually get one but I don't foresee selling the 7 given the double duty I'll get from my lenses.

Do you honestly believe this?? I'm sure someone will come up with a relevant luxury car analogy that will expose the fallacy here...

Yes Sir!
The M9 and the M240 are the only FFcams which can handle Leica M-lenses - if there is now someting with a better Sensor which can handle these lenses too, even the strongest Leica fan will strat to think! And that the Sony Sensor will be better as these Leica/Kodak Sensors is something like a written law!
Leica lives today from the quality of their lenses not from the quality of their digital bodies - people buy them while their is no competitor to a M240 - so what if there will be one?

Actually, I hope Sony does put a dent into Leica profits. I'd like to see Leica get more realistic with pricing, and more up-to-date with features, and most importantly, get their slow-as-molasses manufacturing modernized. Competition is a good thing. Maybe this will spur them.

Don't have a horse in this race as I don't ever see myself buying a M9/240 or a Nex but to me besides the obvious advantages of full frame it potentially allows you to use your current wide angle lenses on a digital without the crop factor which is big for wide angle shooters.

You don't need to use those hideous beer can sized Sony lenses or expensive super wides cropped. Seems like a win.

Leica has been at the high end price wise of the market for years. I don't think people are buying them strictly for performance but rather experience and this probably won't change. It's why everything I own with a Leica badge on it is used. I get the experience without the inflated price.

There is also the "rich dentist" factor of people who buy Leica's because it says Leica on it. Arm candy. That won't change either. No one is enhancing their social status with a Sony.

I am very happy to hear this news. I am looking forward to the day when I can walk into a pro store, play with a full frame mirrorless Leica, Sony, Fuji and Ricoh and leave with the camera that suits me best.

If this comes out, it will mean, the cameras are converging to what they shoud be:
- Full Frame
- efficient EVF with no lag, no smearing, no b***it
- microlenses on sensor, to be able to apply any type of lens
- adapters to ANY lens available on the second hand market
- simple profile generating utility for each lens one would like to use with it, to correct for vignetting, distortion or unwanted aberrations
- colour or B&W sensor options, with or W/O anti aliasing
- 16 or higher bit depth
As to resolution, it might be a compromise with high ISO and dynamic range parameters: less resolution= better higher iso and DR and vice versa, so there could be different versions of sensors A' LA CARTE...

One thing that none of the posts so far seem to take into account is how well a Sony FF sensor will work with Leica glass. My NEX-7 is no great shakes with Leica lenses of 28 mm and wider, at least not without Cornerfix. My M9 doesn't have that problem because the sensor was designed for the lenses. With 35 mm and longer focal lengths, no problem on the NEX. My point is that a FF NEX may not be an optimal solution, unless Sony focuses some engineering attention on the problem. My guess is that they will be primarily. focusing (no pun intended) on whatever lenses Sony is planning for the camera. Even then they may be looking mainly at in-camera processing solutions that may not work with Leica glass. It may be analogous to using non-Leica 21 mm lenses on the M9-not so good without Cornerfix. We can hope though. I've generally been quite pleased with my NEX-7.

Doesn't Sony have a sensor in that NEX 5n that uses very effective micro-lenses?
I bet they will incorporate a similar design if they ever actually do enter a FF NEX to the ring.
It only makes sense to use all the tech they've developed. My Sony Gripe is the damn UI.
It's a damn Sh!tshow compared to the rest of the marketplace. They should take a page from Fuji

The devil is in the details. We can thank Sony for accelerating the pace of mirrorless development. This next round promises improved EVF and on sensor PDAF. They better get this right given their 'A' series cameras are to compete with Canon and Nikon OVF and traditional phase detection autofocus.

You just have to wonder what Ricoh/Pentax and Fuji have on the boards. I would guess that their FF would move many more Leica owners than Sony's offering.

Doesn't Sony have a sensor in that NEX 5n that uses very effective micro-lenses?
I bet they will incorporate a similar design if they ever actually do enter a FF NEX to the ring.
It only makes sense to use all the tech they've developed. My Sony Gripe is the damn UI.
It's a damn Sh!tshow compared to the rest of the marketplace. They should take a page from Fuji

It does take some getting used to. It's a work in progress. Once you're used to it, the strangeness abates.

BFD! I'm happily sticking with my NEX6 and the 19,30, & 60 Sigma lenses. I have several Contax G & ltm lenses, but have found them to be happier on their respective film bodies.
"Genius is knowing when to stop." -Goethe.

I know a lot of people cannot afford a Leica, but to wish this company to fail, is completely ignoring Leica's place in photo history. Yes, they run counter to market trends, march to their own drummer, and many people feel that they only pander to the rich. So many classic companies have fallen, and are falling by the wayside because of market trends and very myopic CEOs - Kodak, Polaroid, Agfa, etc.... even to an extent Fuji, by discontinuing film stocks. Leica is probably just above water and needs as much support as it can get. Monetarily, morally... think of photography without this company.

Charging this amount for a full frame compact seems to be the thing to do and Sony will be laughing all the way to the bank ... for a while. Then Fuji will bring out something similar and no one will want the Sony and before you know it full frame compacts will be old hat and we'll start searching for the next holy grail.

Which will probably be a good old rangefinder type camera...with a great viewfinder.

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It does take some getting used to. It's a work in progress. Once you're used to it, the strangeness abates.

The ui never got better for me.. I have a 5n that I only keep around because it is a good universal digital back (shortest flange to sensor distance that I know of). The Sigma 30f2.8 helped a lot in terms of using the camera w/ a decent af lens that did not cost an arm and a leg. But there is one ting I still hate about the 5n that I think they fixed on the 6, the red video button. I can't tell u how many times I have accidentally turned on video mode I finally got feed up,and did the hillbilly fix on it

Anyway, these days the 5n does not get much action...unless I feel like using a legacy lens that the Nex is the only csc that it will work on.

It is incredible how fast Sony just keeps on putting out new camera body models every year in the Nex line alone.

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