If I raise the flop we go all in and he shows AA is that "ok"?? I mean that's just variance? I thought about 2 betting the flop but then I was like if he has AA then he is not folding so what's the point? I would rather want scare cards to come and he slows down. The turn is certainly not a good card at all but he does not slow down which raises the serious possibility of QQ.

Now OTR I don't like his bet. Would he really bet AA? Well perhaps he will because the pot is already bigger than his remaining stack so he doesn't want me to get away with one pair. But of course we are not beating AA anyways.

#2

21st May 2015, 8:15 PM

John A [4,093]

Yeah, I think someone who looks nitty 3-betting your UTG range from the blinds is going to have you crushed here more often than not. I think your best case is that you're splitting, but I don't think he bets every time on the river. You're getting a decent price, but there's probably zero bluffs in his range. I'd fold.

#3

21st May 2015, 8:24 PM

Thinker_145 [820]

Poker at: bet365

Game: holdem

Quote:

Originally Posted by John A

Yeah, I think someone who looks nitty 3-betting your UTG range from the blinds is going to have you crushed here more often than not. I think your best case is that you're splitting, but I don't think he bets every time on the river. You're getting a decent price, but there's probably zero bluffs in his range. I'd fold.

Would you have played the hand the way I played until the river?

I am not sure he won't bet AK on the river because if he had to stop he should not bet the turn. He would only check AK if he is willing to fold to my shove. If I have any hand beating AK I am shoving the river and very little chance I try to bluff my way out.

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#4

22nd May 2015, 10:17 AM

Figaroo2 [4,137]

Online Poker at: 888

Game: holdem

Im folding. He's a bit nitty but we are still a little short of hands to know for sure exactly how much of a nit.
AK of spades AA KK QQ all crush us. Looks like the best we can hope for is a split with AK.
I don't mind the call of the 3 bet, but 3 calls in the hand doesn't give us as much information as a single raise. Id consider a 4 bet preflop he has already 3bet once before did you get to see his previous cards. These little things help.

#5

22nd May 2015, 10:41 AM

CactusCat [140]

Poker at: Sportsbettin

Game: Holdem

I think river is a fold. I think you're looking squarely at KK, QQ, or 1010. Or AK of spades he's freerolling with. Aces would slow down the river now that they have to worry about a mess of two pairs, straights, and the flush, but let's say he'll value bet with AA.

Or he has AQ of diamonds which make an easy c-bet on the flop, then the turn, and barrels the river trying to push you off a king. That's the only hand that he'd 3-bet from the blinds that he'd play this way and that make sense. Or JJ that c-bets, then barrels when he picks up the open-ender, then barrels the river.

So you can only give him 2 hands that you can beat (if he's capable of bluffing like this and doesn't usually give up) vs. 5 that have you dead. I don't think you have the pot odds to call.

#6

22nd May 2015, 11:15 AM

hffjd2000 [2,330]

Online Poker at: fulltilt

Game: holdem

re: Poker & £20 NLHE 6-max: TPTK facing river shove.

By the looks, you are really beat here.

He wasnt scared on the turn straight and river flush.

I believe the safe move is simply fold by now.

#7

22nd May 2015, 6:29 PM

John A [4,093]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thinker_145

Would you have played the hand the way I played until the river?

I am not sure he won't bet AK on the river because if he had to stop he should not bet the turn. He would only check AK if he is willing to fold to my shove. If I have any hand beating AK I am shoving the river and very little chance I try to bluff my way out.

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Against this kind of opponent in this spot, I'm probably folding the turn. But other than that it's fine.