Division Of Punjab & Armed Forces A Plan To Disintegrate Pakistan

The richest, most developed and most organised growing; the mega world city Lahore's development has stopped, Punjab development and infrastructure has completely stopped, the period of destruction and chaos has began....no electricity, water, and big power problems are norm: the total chaos and destabilization has started.

Division of Punjab and Armed Forces is part of plan for disintegration of Pakistan

FEB 17, 2013

By Usman Khalid, Director Rifah Institute of Foreign affairs (RIFA)

In an article titled ‘A mutiny Grows in the Punjab’, Anatol Lieven (author of Pakistan: A Hard Country) wrote the following:

“The U.S. strategy toward Pakistan has been focussed on trying to get Islamabad to give serious help to Washington’s campaign against the Afghan Taliban. There are two rather large problems with this approach. The first is that it is never going to happen because Pakistani strategic calculations and the feelings of the country’s population make it impossible…. except in return for U.S. help against India—which Washington also cannot deliver.

“The second problem is that it gets America’s real priorities in the region back to front. The war in Afghanistan is a temporary U.S. interest, in which the chief concern is not the reality of victory or defeat as such (if only because neither can be clearly defined) but preserving some appearance of success in order to avoid the damage to American military prestige that would result from obvious failure. By contrast, preserving the Pakistani state and containing the terrorist threat to the West from Pakistan is a permanent vital interest not only of the U.S. military and political establishments but of every American citizen.

“While the prospects for any real success in Afghanistan look gloomy, but if saving Pakistan is the real priority, then things do not look so desperate. This is because while getting large numbers of Pakistanis to help America is virtually impossible, getting enough Pakistanis to preserve their existing state is much easier. To a great extent, this is for negative reasons: the elites and indeed the masses have an acute sense of the horror from the country’s collapse. However, a degree of positive loyalty is also present in one key institution and in one key province: namely the military and the Punjab. If Pakistan is to be broken as a state, it will be on the streets of Lahore and other great Punjabi cities, not in the Pashtun mountains.”

Unlike US think tanks and most American writers, who subjectively project Indo-Zionist interests in the region, Anatol Lieven is British, and objective. His article was published nearly two years ago in ‘National Interest’ of March-April 2011, A lot has changed since; Britain has assumed a central role in resolving the Afghan imbroglio and it is the view of Anal Lieven that appears to have prevailed. Disintegration of Pakistan is still on the agenda but it is hoped it will follow rather than precede heightened Civil War in Afghanistan that is likely to result from NATO/US withdrawal.

Pakistan has been ruled by a four party coalition for five years – Zardari League, MQM, ANP and JUI(F) – all of who have a history of opposition to Pakistan. President Asif Ali Zardari is the head of the PPP although his spoilt son – Bilawal – is formally the chairman of the Party. The father of Asif Zardari – Hakim Ali – was the President of ANP in Sindh after he was expelled from the PPP allegedly for trying to blackmail late Prime Minister Zulfikar Ali Bhutto (ZAB). No one has revealed why was ZAB being blackmailed but it is well known that he was so angry with Hakim Ali that he sold all his assets and moved to the UK only to return after the execution of ZAB.

The relationship Asif Zardari with his wife Benazir was characterised by the Hollywood film ‘sleeping with the enemy’. But my point here is not their marital relationship; my point is that Asif Zardari has strong nerves; he has lived a life with dangerous briefs. For securing US sponsorship of the NRO, every one has wondered: “what is the quid pro quo that the USA still wants from Asif Zardari and re-election of Musharaff even?”

It appears that Asif Zardari and Haqqani signed up to disintegration of Pakistan. He has been tasked to destroy the two institutions that hold Pakistan together: 1) the armed forces and 2) the Punjab.

The Memo written by Pakistan’s Ambassador Hussain Haqqani at the behest of President Zardari to the US Government revealed how AZ intended to undermine the command structure of the armed forces on the pretext of ‘civilian control’. Now he has launched a scheme for the division of the Punjab only weeks before the installation of a ‘care-taker administration’. The constitutional amendment proposed by his press secretary – Senator Farhatullah Babar is unlikely to be passed but it indicates the array of forces being assembled to secure the nefarious ends.

In not understanding the nature of enemy schemes and being so inadequate in articulating viable popular opposition the PML(N) and TIP share equal blame. India has for decades funded opposition to Kalabagh Dam and promoting Seraiki province.

Disintegration of Pakistan has been at the top of Indian agenda since 1947. There should have been no doubt left after the invasion and separation of East Pakistan in 1971. But the very same political parties that are in the ruling coalition today were at the helm in West Pakistan in 1971. Their leaders readily embraced the Indian propaganda that East Pakistan separated because of ‘maltreatment’ by the Punjabis. Ever since, the Punjab has been the favourite whipping boy – blamed for every real or imagined grievance. But the leaders of Punjab have never flinched from making a sacrifice in any inter-provincial deal – the recent finance award as well as the Water Accord of 19991. But the Indian propaganda continues to be mouthed by President Zardari and his coalition partners.

Not content with the Punjab giving in to every demand of cut in its legitimate share, the Zardari Administration is now embarked on Sheikh Mujib style campaign of subversion supplemented by direct attacks on the military and the integrity of the Punjab province. The 2008 announcement of cancellation of the Kalabagh Dam, the 18th Amendment to the Constitution, and now the Freudian Slip, attempt to separate the BJP (Bahawalpur Janubi Punjab) from the Punjab, are all a part of the same plan. Mian Nawaz Sharif does not appear to understand how diabolical the scheme is. His party came up with a proposal to carve out three provinces instead of two. PML(N) get no votes – just ridicule and disgust. The people and politicians of Sindh have been wiser in understanding that the real reason for the new Local Bodies Ordinance is to give Indian protégés – the MQM – perpetual control over not just Karachi but all the urban centres of Sindh. Are the Punjabis so dim that they cannot understand the real intent behind the proposed division of the Punjab?

In Pakistan, land has always belonged to the provinces but river water is owned by the federation. This is a sensible division that has stood the test of time. Large reservoirs of water in dams have been built and operated by the federal government but the barrages and the canals have been owned and operated by the provincial governments. Kalabagh Dam is an exception because it is a dam as well as a barrage. Its right bank canal would irrigate DIK area of South KPK, and the left Bank canal would irrigate the area between Rivers Indus and Jhelum. The reservoir would serve the interest of South Punjab and Sindh Province as Sindh gets 37% of the water of any reservoir built on River Indus. Tarbela Dam, built in the KPK has increased supply of irrigation water at Sukhar as well Kotri barrages. Kalabagh Dam would be even more beneficial to Sindh because it would conserve huge amount of extra water from all the tributaries of River Indus down stream of Tarbela and hill torrents that have caused death and destruction in South Punjab.

Kalabagh Dam is so detested by India because it would link all the provinces of Pakistan into a nationwide irrigation system. Farhatullah Babar included the Districts of Mianwali and Bhakkar in BJP in his proposal. The people of the two districts understood his intent and protested. Thy understood that it would imply that the only dam in the Punjab – the Kalabagh Dam – would be located outside the province. Farhatullah Babar proposal undermines the link canals and the entire irrigation system of the Punjab but the real reason is more sinister. The BJP locked into disputes with Punjab in perpetuity would be sight for sore hostile eyes.

The fiendish scheme has escaped the attention of Imran Khan and Nawaz Sharif but that may not be ignored by the farmers and irrigation experts. However, India and its protégés in Pakistan have good reasons for hope; if the benefits of Kalabagh Dam to Sindh can be sold as damaging because the Dam would also benefit the Punjab, why the damage to Multan and Bahawalpur be sold as beneficial merely because the rest of the Punjab disapproves of the division of the Punjab.

The reason why the Indo-Zionist lobby wants the division of the Punjab is the one given by Anatol Lieven: “If Pakistan is to be broken as a state, it will be on the streets of Lahore and other great Punjabi cities, not in the Pashtun mountains.”

East Pakistan was the largest province of Pakistan until 1971 but its people were not able to see the benefits in the union. It split from Pakistan and is forever reduced to the status of a vassal state of India. The Punjabis are 60% of the Pakistani nation now. As noted by Anatol Lieven, they see the vital need for maintaining the union and the Army is willing and able to defend every part of Pakistan.

The only way Pakistan may not succeed in maintaining the integrity of the federation is that the political process brings a Boris Yeltsin to power and the armed forces are too discredited or demonised to resists threats to national integrity. Pakistan has had a Boris Yeltsin in the shape of Asif Zardari in power for five years but the military has maintained national cohesion despite him. But that would not last forever. Military needs reforms in the institution itself from the Sepoy to the senior most General positions, it needs to reform its policies, improve institutional structures, increase cohesion, more efficiency and effectiveness through a vast analysis, modern methods and detailed critical study within the three defense forces and intelligence organisations.

The enemies hope that Mian Nawaz Sharif would play the role of blunderbuss Boris even better. And warn of the schemes of the London based Altaf Hussain. Wake up before its too late and division of Pakistan made. Pakistan is not out of the woods yet.

People of Pakistan and People of Punjab are far stronger than that. Doesnt matter how many pieces we chop the Punjab into what cannt be changed is Pakistan is created through bond of all ethnic groups (Punjabi and non Punjabi) and in times of crises we stand with each other.

If it was this easy then why havnt america with all the access in Afghanistan and a lapdog government been able to denuclearise or break up Pakistan.

Pakistan came into being on August 14, 1947. As the Creator willed it, the date corresponded with the empowering night of Ramadan 27 of the year 1366 after the Prophet’s Hijra. Its great destiny was thus set from the start

If we take our inspiration and guidance from the Holy Qur’an, the final victory, I once again say, will be ours… Do not be overwhelmed by the enormity of the task… You only have to develop the spirit of the Mujahids. You are a nation whose history is replete with people of wonderful character and heroism. Live up to your traditions and add to another chapter of glory. All I require of you now is that everyone… must vow to himself and be prepared to sacrifice his all… in building up Pakistan as a bulwark of Islam and as one of the greatest nations whose ideal is peace within and peace without… Islam enjoins on every Mussulman to give protection to his neighbors and to minorities regardless of caste and creed. Muhammad Ali Jinnah

This is disturbing news... how internally, ppl are infighting each other is beyond comprehension and sad. PPP and zardari has already broken Pakistan once - east and west Pakistan...this party along mqm & Anp has a vendetta against Punjab.

Nuclear weapons cannot stop USSR-Russia divide into many states and it wont stop Pakistan from dis-integrating too. As u know there has been tremendous lower down of standards in Punjab and Armed forces due to liberalism, materialistic needs and elitism. The enemies are far greater and becoming stronger internally and externally. Even Balochis are prepared to take foreign countries help.

As there will be no ratification among Pakistanis , while ppl in Pakistan and military are sitting idle for things to happen their way, this is infact heading to nowhere, and bad signs to come. Scholars and the citizens must write for ways to fight out evil designs. Real Steps must be taken to built yourselves from strength to strength...from defence to offence.

I know Pakistan has defeated many enemies like the british, indians, russians, terrorists and the current super powers...but it must make new processes, tactics, skills and methods to defend, face off and defeat enemies.

The hate politics should end. Pakistanis must unite from all shadowy evil designs. Pakistan needs intelligent people to come forward.

The Real Heroes are the People of Pakistan - Long Live Pakistani People.

This is disturbing news... how internally, ppl are infighting each other is beyond comprehension and sad. PPP and zardari has already broken Pakistan once - east and west Pakistan...this party along mqm & Anp has a vendetta against Punjab.

Nuclear weapons cannot stop USSR-Russia divide into many states and it wont stop Pakistan from dis-integrating too. As u know there has been tremendous lower down of standards in Punjab and Armed forces due to liberalism, materialistic needs and elitism. The enemies are far greater and becoming stronger internally and externally. Even Balochis are prepared to take foreign countries help.

As there will be no ratification among Pakistanis , while ppl in Pakistan and military are sitting idle for things to happen their way, this is infact heading to nowhere, and bad signs to come. Scholars and the citizens must write for ways to fight out evil designs. Real Steps must be taken to built yourselves from strength to strength...from defence to offence.

I know Pakistan has defeated many enemies like the british, indians, russians, terrorists and the current super powers...but it must make new processes, tactics, skills and methods to defend, face off and defeat enemies.

The hate politics should end. Pakistanis must unite from all shadowy evil designs. Pakistan needs intelligent people to come forward.

This is disturbing news... how internally, ppl are infighting each other is beyond comprehension and sad. PPP and zardari has already broken Pakistan once - east and west Pakistan...this party along mqm & Anp has a vendetta against Punjab.

Nuclear weapons cannot stop USSR-Russia divide into many states and it wont stop Pakistan from dis-integrating too. As u know there has been tremendous lower down of standards in Punjab and Armed forces due to liberalism, materialistic needs and elitism. The enemies are far greater and becoming stronger internally and externally. Even Balochis are prepared to take foreign countries help.

As there will be no ratification among Pakistanis , while ppl in Pakistan and military are sitting idle for things to happen their way, this is infact heading to nowhere, and bad signs to come. Scholars and the citizens must write for ways to fight out evil designs. Real Steps must be taken to built yourselves from strength to strength...from defence to offence.

I know Pakistan has defeated many enemies like the british, indians, russians, terrorists and the current super powers...but it must make new processes, tactics, skills and methods to defend, face off and defeat enemies.

The hate politics should end. Pakistanis must unite from all shadowy evil designs. Pakistan needs intelligent people to come forward.

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — Violent clashes between the police and opponents of Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif swept across Pakistan’s Punjab Province on Saturday, leaving at least two people dead and more than 100 injured as Mr. Sharif’s 14-month-old government sought to forestall a series of planned street protests aimed at ousting it.

For the second consecutive day, the Pakistani police confronted supporters of Muhammad Tahir-ul Qadri, a firebrand preacher who has vowed to topple Mr. Sharif through a “peaceful revolution.” The cleric’s supporters — some of them armed with staves, others wearing gas masks — overturned police barricades and engaged in street battles in towns across Punjab, Mr. Sharif’s political power base.

One of Mr. Qadri’s supporters died during clashes in Bhakkar and one officer died in Sargodha, while 130 people were injured and 22 officers were taken hostage, the police said in a statement.

The escalating violence caused Mr. Qadri to cancel a protest against Mr. Sharif that had been scheduled for Lahore on Sunday. During a press conference outside his home in Lahore on Saturday, Mr. Qadri instructed supporters to mount smaller demonstrations in their home cities across the province.

The clashes deepened the sense of crisis surrounding Mr. Sharif’s government, whose power has already been undermined by a troubled relationship with the country’s military leadership. The prime minister now faces the prospect of a series of major streets protests led by Mr. Qadri and, more substantively, his rival in the opposition, Imran Khan.

Mr. Khan, a former cricket star and leader of the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf party, has said he will hold a “million man march” in Pakistan’s capital, Islamabad, on the country’s Independence Day, Aug. 14. The point of the demonstration, Mr. Khan said, is to protest what he has alleged was vote-rigging during the general election in May 2013. Mr. Khan has said he will lead a sit-in outside Parliament until Mr. Sharif accedes to his demand for a new election.

Mr. Khan has staked much on the protest. While his party rules the northwestern province of Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa, his goal is to replace Mr. Sharif as the major force in Punjab, Pakistan’s most populous and influential province. Mr. Khan has built pressure on Mr. Sharif this year with a series of rallies. In speeches, he has portrayed the Aug. 14 protest as a decisive moment in his career.

Mr. Sharif has responded robustly, using the law and security forces to outmaneuver his opponents. He has attempted to stymie Mr. Khan’s plans by invoking a colonial-era public order law that temporarily bans political protests in Islamabad.

Analysts have said that Mr. Sharif’s reaction to the challenges has been heavy-handed and disproportionate, and that it has frequently fanned the protests that he has sought to quell. Perhaps in response to those critics, Mr. Sharif on Saturday publicly urged Mr. Khan to call off his protest and to resolve the crisis through political talks.

The picture has been further complicated by the return of Mr. Qadri. Normally a resident of Canada, he organized protests against the previous government, which was led by President Asif Ali Zardari, in January 2013. Mr. Qadri returned to Pakistan in June, promising to peacefully overthrow Mr. Sharif, whom he called corrupt and autocratic.

But the movement quickly became mired in bloodshed when the police killed nine of Mr. Qadri’s supporters outside his Lahore home in June. Those deaths became a rallying point for Mr. Qadri’s supporters, who have since taken to the streets.

“We are here at the call of the leader, and we want a revolution,” said Gulham Datagir, 18, as he held a baton outside Mr. Qadri’s house on Friday.

Reports of close ties between Mr. Qadri and the country’s army have caused some Pakistanis to fear that his protests could lead to a military coup. At a news conference outside his Islamabad home on Friday, Mr. Khan suggested that the military could intervene if his Islamabad sit-in was thwarted. “The responsibility will lie squarely on Nawaz Sharif if the army steps in,” he said.

Mr. Khan and Mr. Qadri have denied any links to the military, and there is little evidence to support the fears of a military takeover. Still, it is an open secret that the army chief, Gen. Raheel Sharif, is unhappy with Mr. Sharif for his refusal to allow Gen. Pervez Musharraf, the former military leader currently facing trial for treason, to leave Pakistan.

The prime minister has the support of several opposition parties, including the Pakistan Peoples Party and the religious Jamaat-e-Islami, whose leaders have tried to mediate between Mr. Sharif and Mr. Khan in recent weeks. But if that fails, Mr. Sharif has said he would physically prevent any protest on Aug. 14.

The government has announced plans to seal roads leading to Islamabad and to curtail fuel supplies to vehicles carrying opposition supporters. Paramilitary soldiers have been deployed in Islamabad and Lahore, and army troops are in the capital to deter attacks in retaliation to the military operation in the North Waziristan tribal district, along the border with the Afghanistan, which started in June.

When OBL declared war on USA in 1996, his strategy was based on three key elements:

1. Stretch the American forces through out the planet

2. Bleed them to death

3. Create political disunity inside America

and situation today for American nation is not far from above

....

Now, with bit surprise, USA since the AFPAK declaration has been trying the same and tried with above point#1 and point#2 on Pakistan ... it didn't work in the end

However point#3 (aka divide and rule) is always effective especially when it comes to Muslim world and with the recent PAT and PTI marches, it seems so far they are succeeding

Imagine IK succeeds in removing PML-n government (regardless by legal means or not), alliances shall be switched (PML-N and PPP joining hands) and indeed a counter 'democracy' looong march would be on the horizon

The expected and planned outcome would be ... situation similar to Iraq and Syria, inside Pakistan

.....

Qadri-revolution is a cult-based revolution with sectarian under tones; and the forces behind qadri are not new for us, either. For those connection with GHQ/ISIS, would remember a foreign ministers conference that happened 6 months before in india with participants from endia, USA, Iran, Afghanistan and Israel ... and after the conference USA sent messages to both GHQ and PML-n government, directly and indirectly (would love to see anybody guessing that)

Qadri CARD is part of this post conference 'actions'

.......

Imran Khan; if you look at the profile of IK, he always has been stubborn (from college cricket, to becoming part of national team, coming out as fast bowler and eventually as captain, finally winning the world cup with several years of oppositions from multiple sides) and similarly he is proving himself in politics

To that extent IK demands admiration

However IMHO, his current long March clearly seems to be more of an ego issue vs Sharif, void of any legal grounds and moral standings

......

In a typical Pakistani political drama, it used to be the 'kingmakers' aka GHQ who used to decide the final fate of all participants

Bro, Imran Khan has been trying for a peaceful solution - our country would be dead if there were no opposition. This way no one is able to become the next Mubarak or Asad. His demands about Free and Fair election are very reasonable and the Government needs to know that they aren't going to get a free hand.

w/salaam

In case I forgot here is it is... Asalaamualikum

"There is none worthy of worship but He, glorified be He: [Far is He] above that which they associate [with Him]" (Qur'an 9:31)

Not equal are the owners of the fire and the owners of the Garden. The owners of the Garden, they are the victorious. [Quran 59:20]

Allah knows best [who are] your enemies. Allah is sufficient as a Friend, and Allah is sufficient as a Helper. [4:45]

Fudayl ibn Iyaad said: "Verily, if an action was done sincerely for the sake of Allah but was not correct, it will not be accepted by Allah. And if the action was correct but not done sincerely it will not be accepted until the act is sincere and correct. For it to be sincere, it has to be done for the sake of Allah, and in order for it to be correct, it has to agree to the sunnah."

the Messenger of Allah pbuh says; “whoever does not care about the affairs of the Muslims is not one of them.”

Even if the IK long march does not achieve any of its objectives, the least it will do is give a reality check to the corrupt feudals such as the Sharifs that they cannot rig an election and get away with it so easily. In the next elections, they will think twice before rigging.

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- Quaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah (11th January 1938)

Let us go back to our holy book, the Quran. Let us revert to the Hadeeth and the the great traditions of Islam which have everything in them for our guidance if we correctly interpret them and follow our great Holy book, the Quran.

- Quaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah (6th March 1946)

"It is my strong belief, that there is no ideology which is more democratic, enlightened and progressive than Islam."

Well see the video. This is what the Government is doing to peaceful protesters.

w/salaam

In case I forgot here is it is... Asalaamualikum

"There is none worthy of worship but He, glorified be He: [Far is He] above that which they associate [with Him]" (Qur'an 9:31)

Not equal are the owners of the fire and the owners of the Garden. The owners of the Garden, they are the victorious. [Quran 59:20]

Allah knows best [who are] your enemies. Allah is sufficient as a Friend, and Allah is sufficient as a Helper. [4:45]

Fudayl ibn Iyaad said: "Verily, if an action was done sincerely for the sake of Allah but was not correct, it will not be accepted by Allah. And if the action was correct but not done sincerely it will not be accepted until the act is sincere and correct. For it to be sincere, it has to be done for the sake of Allah, and in order for it to be correct, it has to agree to the sunnah."

the Messenger of Allah pbuh says; “whoever does not care about the affairs of the Muslims is not one of them.”

When OBL declared war on USA in 1996, his strategy was based on three key elements:

1. Stretch the American forces through out the planet

2. Bleed them to death

3. Create political disunity inside America

and situation today for American nation is not far from above

....

Now, with bit surprise, USA since the AFPAK declaration has been trying the same and tried with above point#1 and point#2 on Pakistan ... it didn't work in the end

However point#3 (aka divide and rule) is always effective especially when it comes to Muslim world and with the recent PAT and PTI marches, it seems so far they are succeeding

Imagine IK succeeds in removing PML-n government (regardless by legal means or not), alliances shall be switched (PML-N and PPP joining hands) and indeed a counter 'democracy' looong march would be on the horizon

The expected and planned outcome would be ... situation similar to Iraq and Syria, inside Pakistan

.....

Qadri-revolution is a cult-based revolution with sectarian under tones; and the forces behind qadri are not new for us, either. For those connection with GHQ/ISIS, would remember a foreign ministers conference that happened 6 months before in india with participants from endia, USA, Iran, Afghanistan and Israel ... and after the conference USA sent messages to both GHQ and PML-n government, directly and indirectly (would love to see anybody guessing that)

Qadri CARD is part of this post conference 'actions'

.......

Imran Khan; if you look at the profile of IK, he always has been stubborn (from college cricket, to becoming part of national team, coming out as fast bowler and eventually as captain, finally winning the world cup with several years of oppositions from multiple sides) and similarly he is proving himself in politics

To that extent IK demands admiration

However IMHO, his current long March clearly seems to be more of an ego issue vs Sharif, void of any legal grounds and moral standings

......

In a typical Pakistani political drama, it used to be the 'kingmakers' aka GHQ who used to decide the final fate of all participants

Issue is, this time GHQ would be more than cautious

.....

quite a situation we have at hand

I think you are reading too much into this.

Q1. What can Imran Khan/Tahir Ul Qadri/anyone else offer the enemies of Pakistan which PPP and PML already won't? The Americans bomb our territory (drones), they've attacked our armed forces (angoor adda) they commit murder in broad daylight (Raymond Davis), the CIA has a regional hub in Karachi, the Indians are damming our rivers with impunity, Nawaz Sharif is vying to sell out what remains of Kashmir, RAW and Afghan Intelligence are running wars against us (BLA/TTP), Geo in collabaration with PML under the guise of Aman ki Asha is commiting cultural genocide in Pakistan. Zardari even tried to send the DG ISI to India for questioning about thier falseflag Mumbai attacks. Tell me what they want, which they can't get?

Q2. As far as the question of counter marches is concerned, what are the chances if PTI/PAT win and put in change for the better? How many people will support these parties right now? Or in 6 months time? Or a year time? I can understand after 4-5 years, if they were as bad as the current bunch, but who is eager to vote PMLN again?

Q3. Tahir Ul Qadri, sectarian? You are mistaken. He is probably one of the most least sectarian ulema in Pakistan. He is of the ahle sunnah wal jamaat, but unlike the hardcore fringe of our ulema, he doesn't consider wahhabis are non Muslims. I've been in mehfils where so called islamic scholars have all but done that. they just used weasel words to not actually say it. If you look at some hardcore brelvi forums some ppl in dawati islami consider tahir Qadri as wahhabi. Also if he was sectarian, the Shia party alongside him would not be stood there.

Regarding him being "foreign", i think we should refrain from slander. How many of us live abroad? The majority of members on this forum? It's run on American servers, by an American Pakistani. Tahir Ul Qadri was born in Pakistan in 1951, he studied, lived, taught in Pakistan for the majority of his life. He's been influential in the legal system, played a role in the political system. He moved to Canada in 2005 to escape the Taliban threat, the threat which has taken the lives of many Ahle Sunnahs scholars.

I don't trust him, I don't trust Imran Khan, I don't trust the army. But I would rather turn my back in front of these people than I would in front of PPP/PML/MQM?ANP etc. Frankly i might have trust issues...lol

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Don't get it wrong though; I am all for revolution; however history states that a revolution would be an uncompromising beast with end result of total destruction of existing system; a revolution would not adhere to any existing laws, constitutions, stakeholders, institutions, authorities etc ... and any revolution that doesn't consider the replacement of riba based financial matrix is bound to fail

Imran is on a zigzag track; he is with constitution and he is not with constitution; same goes for his stance/interactions with supreme court, chief justice, election commission, MQM, media, military, shiekh rasheed, javed hashmi and the list is endless; he needs to stick to one point of view

Qadri up until 2003 was with Musharraf (same constitution, same democracy) being part of the very system he is claiming to be taken down; and then a religious scholar with immense knowledge signs a pledge of allegiance to the queen of England for Canadian nationality is some what weird

1. Agree the situation is not good in Pakistan; but perhaps it is only Pakistan and Turkey left where there still anarchy needs to be created much like the current middle east on fire. Are we ready for that? GHQ is ready for that? Our economy? Our borders with Afghanistan, Iran and of course endia?

However I would kindly disagree on your cultural genocide part; long before private tv channels mushroomed in Pakistan, our awam were still watching bollywood 24/7. Here nobody else has to be blamed except ourselves, not GEO, not ARY and not any other channel for that matter; they are broadcasting what people want to and love to see. Simple

2. Chances if PTI/PAT win and put in change for the better? and to manage the whole nation? I am sorry but what better has been brought to KP during 1 year tenure of IK? What has been the performance and KPIs? If the performance has been putting paid ads on pvt channels on 'new' police system alone, then thats what zardari and NS are doing for many years now

3. Qadri secterian? Well people can google and find out more on his religious affiliations; however he is some kind of alien even to the very brelvi community that I know of and I have spoken to them during my last trip to PK; if the main stream brelvi community (the middle class urban segment) is not with him; and the political islamists are not with him (JI, JuD, JUI etc) and the hardcore wahabis (well let us put all of them in one basked i.e. salafis, deobandis etc) and judiciary ...

then only two segments are with him:

(a) the sheeps (see the TV footage) people mainly women from the most rural attire and part of Punjab; the 16-17 years old madrasa girls and some hardcore men from the ST. We should not doubt the sincere intentions of most of these people; but how many of them have ready history? heck even Islam itself? Constitution, foreign policy, geo politics, laws, parliament, financial system, economy, stake holders in societies. In my eyes they are simply being used as sheeps

​(b) the foreign elements; IMHO and you have every right to disagree, they need anarchy in Pakistan eventually leading to Pakistan/Endia war; primary objective? So Pakistan can never look towards middle eastern affairs for many years to come

In the end in these times it is getting impossible to be on any one's side; hence so far I am with nobody

The sheep as you describe them are most of what is Pakistan. Put yourself in their shoes, what use is stability to them if it is just a slow painful death as part of the status quo? Those who have nothing left to lose other than their lives have stood up to sacrifice their lives. The least we can do is stand by them. F**k the system and the false sense of security it brings. It doesn't work anyway. If we the people engage this moment and make it our moment, then it can't be hijacked.

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Great decision to participate in elections! Both Shia and Sunnis support him.

A great counterbalance to JuI and JuF and other corrupted religious parties of Pakistan with alot of overseas Pakistanis vote bank. As PAT and TNFJ (Tehreek-e-Nifaz-e-Fiqh-e-Jafria A shia political group), now known as Tehreek-e-Jafria and other Sunni Tahreek parties are aligned to it.

Besides holding march and protests Tahir ul Qadri has known to be modern, progressive and peaceful Islamic scholar. Victory in Jhang flat and square as well as areas in Lahore where PAT and Minhaj-ul Quran originated and Headquartered in Lahore... and ... If that happens it means the SSP and LeJ religious groups are far gone.

Addressing the participants of sit-in here Thursday, Qadri said he will make PAT the largest political and revolutionary party of Pakistan.[/size]

He vowed to bring change in the system after coming into parliament. “PAT will contest election whenever held to bring revolution,” he announced.[/size]

Tickets will be given on the basis of justice in the PAT, Qadri added.[/size]

PAT chief asserted that although PAT will contest elections but not compromise on system. He said they had to bring electoral reforms in the country.[/size]

Qadri said: “PAT will provide jobs to every jobless. Prosperity will reach at your door step.”[/size]

“Would you like to see the PAT as a revolutionary political party? Do you think we should participate in the next elections,” Qadri asked his supporters at the sit-in in his routine daily address to them.

“Yes” roared the supporters who had been camping outside the Parliament House for that very revolution for seven weeks.

“We will change the system after winning the elections. We cannot compromise with the prevailing system,” Dr. Qadri said. “We will participate in national, provincial and local government elections whenever held, tomorrow or after three months.”

“I invite everyone who wants to contest elections as PAT candidate,” he said, predicting that PAT will emerge as “the largest political party in the country in the near future”.

“Anyone who thinks that we will limit ourselves just to bringing revolution, and will leave the elections for others, is deluded,” he added.

“My first target is the heart of Punjab - Faislabad. On October 12, I will hold my first jalsa in Dhobi Ghat, Faislabad and on October 19 we will reach to Minar-i-Pakistan in Lahore. We will take the message of revolution to everyone,” he said.

A little distance away, PTI chief Imran Khan told his supporters that he would present the proofs of the rigging in the 2013 general elections before an independent and impartial commission.

“I used all the ways open to get justice (regarding the rigging), but to no avail,” he said.

“It is our right to raise slogan of ‘Go Nawaz Go’ under the freedom of expression while no one has the right to manhandle those raising the slogan,” Khan said. “It is on the lips of everyone, men, women, even schoolchildren and police and military personnel,” he claimed.

Khan said that the PTI will knock the door of the court to stop any violence by PML-N activists against slogan raisers as threatened by PML-N leaders.

“I want to give you message Mr. Nawaz Sharif that the days of your kingdom are near to end,” he claimed.

“The gathering of the PTI supporters was the historical gathering in the history of Mainwali Today,” he claimed.

The PTI chief said that the government provides assistance to its farmers who receive subsidized electricity bills in neighbouring India while farmers receive electricity bills of six hundred thousand rupees in Pakistan.

He said that if farmers increase their yield, the country would get richer while the PTI government would support the farmers after coming into power.

Published in Dawn, October 3rd, 2014

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