Hope you're right. But it's no secret what Riddler did and yet he's working with Riddler. Maybe there's some redemption around the corner such as "Batman has been working with Kite Man all along as a double cross" but as a father of two young boys, I can say that this story killing Kite Man's child the way it did and having Batman fail the boy like he did (remember, he told Kite Man that the boy was all right and just had a cold. He failed to recognize that he'd been poisoned) made me physically ill.

Yeah, and I read something about the upcoming JL arc "Lost" revolving around a sleep deprived Batman ****ing something up majorly. Maybe they're getting an early start on that, and he's going to be ****ing up alot inbetween now and then, and whatever happens in JL is just the straw that breaks the camel's back.

The costume is a mystery to me. If Johns hadn't already said that this story isn't meant to be a "Watchmen sequel", the Nostalgia items might make me think that it could be a post-Watchmen costumed hero in that world, but I don't know...

I think it matters a lot. It could change what characters are actually alive and what political climate they're in.

Right... like whether Rorschach is still alive or Dr. Manhattan's view of humanity. If DC moves the story forward with these characters and it doesn't fit comfortably somewhere in the Watchmen continuity, I feel that it would cheapen their inclusion in the DC Universe.

Right... like whether Rorschach is still alive or Dr. Manhattan's view of humanity. If DC moves the story forward with these characters and it doesn't fit comfortably somewhere in the Watchmen continuity, I feel that it would cheapen their inclusion in the DC Universe.

I mean, I'm not exactly a stickler for continuity so whether something "fits" or not is no big deal to me. While I'm a huge Alan Moore fan, but not so huge as to be a fanatic, I already think that including the Watchmen characters into the DCU proper kind of cheapens them, especially if they're just using them to explain away the New52 and other continuity discrepancies (kind of like the Superman Reborn arc: a big 3 issue storyline whose only purpose was to give Superman a new costume, and explain away New52 Superman).

Which is why I said it doesn't quite matter. At least for me.

If the story sucks, everyone'll just kinda forget about it or ignore it. If it's good, I'm more interested to see how they're gonna follow up on it. Because I'm not exactly keen on seeing a "The Generic Superheroic Adventures of Nite-Owl" ongoing comic.