Looking at Det. Ryan’s (Kevin Bacon) interactions with serial killer Joe Carroll (James Purefoy) in the first two episodes of The Following, it’s hard to imagine a time when these two weren’t playing their game of cat and mouse. But as tonight’s episode will show, they were actually quite chummy at one time.

When Purefoy stopped by our Spoiler Room video studio, we got him to dish more on the flashbacks we’ll be seeing of their first encounter, the truth about the book Joe received from Parker (Annie Parisse) at the end of last week’s episode, and more!