I don't really believe that the noise performance would be that much better than the current 7d. They went down on res compared to the 5d2 with the 1dX and up in sensor size to be better than the 1d4, the 5d3 has the same res as the 5d2 and still is only better over 1600/3200 iso. So increasing the mp from 18 to 24 on an aps-c sensor doesn't read killer high iso performance for me. MP still sells....

Well, let's hope you're wrong!

The rumour is "ISO Performance to get close to the 5D3"... So just imagine what the 5D4 and the 1DXXX will have for specs. ( the 1DXXX will be an obscene price )

So just imagine what the 5D4 will have for specs...That's about what I thought. If this sensor tech is quite improved compared to other crop cams, then I dare to dream of quite a decent improvment in the next few years. My next cam won't be a 5D4 (my 5D3 is a tremendous cam) but somewhere down the road there will be a 5D5 or whatever they'll call it by then...And I guess, there will be new sensor tech within it, that will just blow us away... till then...happy shooting...Cheers, Pedro

I don't really believe that the noise performance would be that much better than the current 7d. They went down on res compared to the 5d2 with the 1dX and up in sensor size to be better than the 1d4, the 5d3 has the same res as the 5d2 and still is only better over 1600/3200 iso. So increasing the mp from 18 to 24 on an aps-c sensor doesn't read killer high iso performance for me. MP still sells....

Well, let's hope you're wrong!

The rumour is "ISO Performance to get close to the 5D3"... So just imagine what the 5D4 and the 1DXXX will have for specs. ( the 1DXXX will be an obscene price )

So just imagine what the 5D4 will have for specs...That's about what I thought. If this sensor tech is quite improved compared to other crop cams, then I dare to dream of quite a decent improvment in the next few years. My next cam won't be a 5D4 (my 5D3 is a tremendous cam) but somewhere down the road there will be a 5D5 or whatever they'll call it by then...And I guess, there will be new sensor tech within it, that will just blow us away... till then...happy shooting...Cheers, Pedro

I hear ya. I'm very happy with my 5DIII but there's quite likely to be something very tempting about the 5D4 etc... else why would they bother making it.However, it won't be too many more years before weight will become an important consideration for me. At which point I hope they would have made some major breakthroughs in small, light cameras.

The traders are waiting for the new crop series (Nikon & Canon,..) as an cash-cow for x-mas business.I read in the www that Nikon will release their new crop camera in summer 2013: In July in China or maybe in September in Berlin. Buyable soon after the release. So, Canon will release it in the same timeframe, otherwise they will miss X-mas business. In Germany the rumors are about 2100-2500 € (? 2 versions with/without GPS/WIFI???)

people always say the 7d range is a great wildlife camera,im sure it is, af, long reach etc. but surely image quality should be paramount? otherwise why dont all wildlife photographers carry 7d's?

Some people literally have piles of money to BURN. Or, they are professionals....

Everyone who uses a 7D would probably prefer to have a pair of 1D X's, one with an 800mm f/5.6 L IS and another with the 600mm f/4 L IS II on a 2x TC, both sitting on a pair of Series 5 Gitzo tripods. But...not everyone has forty grand to blow on the gear of their dreams. To get the kind of reach you must have when using FF, you can achieve with something like the 7D and a 400mm or 500mm lens for FAR less cost.

I'd own the very kit I mentioned above, along with a 500mm f/4 L IS II, 300mm f/2.8 L IS II, both TCs, one of those nice new land rovers with the panoramic windows, etc. if I had the option. Sadly, my funds are far more limited than that, and I've wrestled with the idea of buying the 600mm f/4 L II for about 9 months now, and still can't really bring myself to pull the trigger.

Some people just have money to burn. For the rest, the 7D with its high-density sensor and amazing reach factor, and a 100-400mm lens, fills the role of "baby 1D" quite well.

For the past decade I have been a shameless fan of x1.3 APS-H sensor bodies, and as my very hard working 1D4 approached it's best-by date, the 7DII as described sounds like a giant killer.

Like plenty of photographers the 7DII is a very high interest item. If the price & specs are as indicated I'll get two of them. This sort of performance plus the x1.6 APS-C crop means I won't have to go and spend $6K on a 1DX and $11K on a 400 f/2.8isII as my 300 f/2.8is will have the reach I need on APS-C.

Update:Even more suspicious is the Canon logo has been removed, this has a pop-up flash and looks to be in new condition. Can't place the lens either the more I look at this - size wise looks like the 85mm 1.2 but the bulge appears different by the camera mount from the current 85,1.2???

Update:Even more suspicious is the Canon logo has been removed, this has a pop-up flash and looks to be in new condition. Can't place the lens either the more I look at this - size wise looks like the 85mm 1.2 but the bulge appears different by the camera mount from the current 85,1.2???

Does look like a 7d, dunno about the red piece or lack of "Canon" on the front of the pop-up. The ES-78 hood is the one that comes on the current 50 1.2, FWIW. I'm having a hard time telling if it's gripped / a 1-series body... kinda looks like it is, at least to my eye. And the protrusion of the eye cup looks farther than my 7d, which I understand is a 1-series luxury so you don't leave nose prints on the LCD. But the top buttons and mode dial are definitely the same as my 7d.

I wish that the new 7D Mark II has these specs. However, in such case it would be even better than 5D Mark III as it would have WIFI and GPS installed. The only difference would be sensor. I really doubt that Canon would produce such camera...

Everybody was waiting for 6D and there were a lot of rumours about its specs, however, autofocus in this brand new camera is even worse than 3 year old 7D. Canon is able to produce good technology, however, they marketing department is screwing everything. I think that they will find a lot of ways how to cripple 7D Mark II and ask for it a significant premium comparing with old 7D.

I wish that the new 7D Mark II has these specs. However, in such case it would be even better than 5D Mark III as it would have WIFI and GPS installed. The only difference would be sensor. I really doubt that Canon would produce such camera...

Everybody was waiting for 6D and there were a lot of rumours about its specs, however, autofocus in this brand new camera is even worse than 3 year old 7D. Canon is able to produce good technology, however, they marketing department is screwing everything. I think that they will find a lot of ways how to cripple 7D Mark II and ask for it a significant premium comparing with old 7D.

Unlike the 6D, though, the 7D is a premium product. The 7D II would be better compared to the 5D III than the 6D. I'd say the 70D is more along the lines of the APS-C version of the 6D, and it would not be surprising to see the 70D with a gimped featureset.

I suspect the 7D II will get a pretty nice feature set. At the very least, it won't be any worse than the original 7D, with higher resolution, and probably better noise performance. Whether it will be much better than that is yet to be seen, however the 5D III specs did end up being pretty close to the CR2 rumors, so I'd expect the 7D II to be similar.

If these specs are real, I find this an impressive upgrade. As I own the 7D (which I love) - the increase in ISO performance (close to the 5DmkIII) is a particularly attractive feature for me. 61 AF pts and 10 FPS are definitely great, but not essential (I'm quite happy with the 7D's current 19 AF pts and 8 FPS).

WiFi and GPS are 'nice' but not necessary for my use. Even less important for me are the 'lots of video' features and the dual memory card slots (please keep it CF, I have some great CF cards I want to keep using - plus same battery please while we're at it!)

The 24.1 MP is interesting.. if it has sharp per pixel definition and also has low noise across the ISO range (particularly @ ISO100 & ISO200 for landscapes) I'll be particularly happy! I do like to crop in various photos, especially for some wildlife.

Cheers! Let's see if this becomes a CR3 and then reality....!! Hope so....

Paul

agreed while i happily criticise the current crop sensor for being pretty poor (because I firmly believe it is substandard)IF perhaps they use this new process thats been discussed to fix the image quality issues it will be very good.personally i dont care about the whole "I want massive DR on a DxO score" that will no doubt be argued to death with tantrums aplenty.

Can a 1.6 crop sensor produce sharpness on a per pixel level closer to that of FF? I dont know, 1.3 crop can get a whole lot closer we know that and that the current 1.6 crops to date cant. thats all using the current tech though.

IF this new tech CAN close that gap its going to shake things up. and at that price I could definately see myself picking a couple of bodies up to replace the 5dmk2 me and my wife currently use in tandem with our mk3sI've been itching to have a 5Dmk2 undergo a permanent IR conversion and with the price drop on the mk2s there is no point selling them.

I would hope they leave the battery the same though as that is absolutely key for us is having a pool of batteries for all our wedding cameras that can go into any body

On paper the specs look like a winner, they do look too good to be true though as on paper it risks taking sales away from the 5Dmk3 but I guess by the time this camera comes out the rumours of the 5Dmk4 will be running wild

... You can NAIL focus right on a birds eye, and the bird can be PERFECTLY STILL...and the 7D AF system will still jump around by microscopic amounts in AI Servo. If you hold the button down, or press, release, press, the AF system is always "trying" to re-lock. Sometimes, even when a solid AF lock is already held, on a stationary or moving subject, the 7D will suddenly start hunting. Most annoying quirk of an AF system ever. I blame it partly on the widely spaced points, and mostly on the recent firmware update (which seemed to make the problem worse.)

A little off-topic but - have you noticed the same jumping problem with AI focus?

I've never used AI Focus. I used to switch between single and AI Servo, however since getting the 7D I have always used back-button focus (AF-ON is decoupled from the shutter and only assigned to the back button). As such, I can "single shot" focus by pressing the AF button until focus is locked, then release. For tracking, I just press and hold. So, my camera is perpetually in a single AF mode, and I've never really tried anything else.

I've also never really understood what that third focus option was, or how it worked. Would it be better for non-tracking servo-type AF work?