Imagine that, we desire personal interaction. I tell kids all the time, make girlfriends. No, not girlfriends that you date and fuck, just friends that are girls. You will learn so more much about female psychology and she will hook you up like mad with other females. I feel bad for guys that feel like they have to fuck every girl they meet.

It's not enforced in most Muslim countries, but what's a HUGE damper is that the idea that non-marital sex is wrong is quite widespread. Doesn't help that the country I'm working in currently is quite conservative and all local women wear the veil. Sometimes I think of just giving up and going to an escort, then I snap myself out of it.

That little exchange made me smile! I like guys with a bit of banter to them, ok she had a bf, but talking to a guy is nit cheating. She was clear that she had a boyfriend, so it was he choice whether to carry on talking or not. If that were me, I would have carried on chatting to him, but just at the bar. Just because you have a boyfriend doesn't mean you can't chat and have a laugh with other guys. You never know, she could've been thinking about a single girl friend she has to hook you up with!

I dont get the whole "i have a boyfriend" go to line by women. I guess it helps keep away a lot of wierdos and all but thats just straight up fucking rude to say that to someone in your situation, what you did was just fine and didn't warrant that response right off the bat. Imagine you brushed by her and say "excuse me" does she say "i have a boyfriend" to that too. She was clearly using it as a bitch shield since she opened up after you joked around a bit, but still.
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let's be fucking real, 90% of the guys who talk to her are probably, as chris rock so politely put it, offering dick. OP is clearly trying to hit on her (girls aren't stupid, they know when they are being hit on) and she lets him know she's not available. I frankly love it when girls do that, rather then 30 minutes later after some bump n grind she's telling how it's just dancing and how she's kinda seeing someone

a girl stating she has a boyfriend off the bat is nothing to get pissy about, she's actually helping you by saving you time, effort and frustration by telling you she has a bf.

that's not true. there's two sides to cheating, how much resistance the person in the relationship has, and how tempting the person hitting on this partner is. can't believe people talking seduction haven't realised that, especially when a lot of people here practice maneuvers which sidestep bfs

There is two sides, yes: but those are how much empathy she has for other people like her boyfriend, and how weak-willed she is that she can't even break up with him first or just say "no". In conclusion, she will either be a cheating whore or a decent human being.

Do you think it'd be less rude for a girl to say "you are revolting, get the hell away from me"? I don't think it's rude when they lie about having a boyfriend, they're letting you off easy from the fact that they want nothing to do with you and giving you the thought that they actually may be unavailable.

she doesn't have to do shit, in all honesty, trying to talk to someone when they are clearly occupied with something, that something being their phone in this instance is actually a rude thing to do

don't get too hung up over this bitch shield thing. sometimes, I really do not want to speak to every random person who comes up to me to say whatever, you can call me a douche or whatever, but I have the right to not have to speak to you. unless someone has something interesting to say to me, or to offer when I'm in this kind of mood I will continue to exercise it.

and to go on a bit more, sometimes it's not even because I'm in a mood, sometimes it's because this person is saying something I've heard a million times before/ just basically something not interesting, or they as a person, whether it be there looks or persona I don't find appealing

I'm pretty sure the girl the OP talks about has had many other guys comment abou her phone usage before and she's a bit bored of that routine

There's alot of common statements that are made by interesting people, just sayin. I understand how annoying it can be to be interrupted by someone when all you want to do is xyz, but regardless of your mood and what you're doing it's no excuse to be an ass or rude to them. Treat people well, after all, that guy could be one of the seemingly millions of AFC's who finally summoned up the courage just to try and say something, anything.

I don't mean to sound condescending or righteouss I just think telling someone your busy in a nice way isn't as tough as people make it out to be, even if you're not in the best of moods. If it's their looks or what they are saying doesn't interest you, how are they supposed to know you feel that way when they say something? I mean really you can tell a person off nicely is all. Lots of girls don't handle that shit well, and when I see guys burn out hard it makes me angry because quite often she's a stupid bitch who has guys waiting on her every wish and because of that doesn't give a dam how she treats guys. There's probably a lot of dudes out there who took a big self-esteem hit from a girl whose interests don't stretch past jersey shore, but still value her opinion becuase she's hot or they were attracted to her, when if they only got to know her they'd realize how fast a conversation could change their mind about them.

2) don't harbour ill feelings about girls just because they assert that they don't want to talk to certain people. this does not make them a stupid bitch. so what if it took a guys fuckload of self esteem to talk to her? harsh reality is that it's not her problem. also if they only value her opinion because she is hot, not only does that make them dishonourable, but it also helps girls which you seem to hold a grudge against take them for granted

1) I don't deny I have issues with getting rejected, and fortunately I do have successes but I'm still a human being and walking the earth unphased by negative interactions is not always possible. I can put some behind me, others stick with me, and I accept that.

2) I don't harbor ill feelings because they don't want to talk to certain people, I harbor ill feelings because they can be bitches about the way they convey they don't want to talk to certain people, when often those people were merely trying to be sociable. I don't care if dudes get rejected, I just think sending them off in a reasonably better state then had they ignored them or told them off like they were a dog might be a better way to approach life in general. Leave a person better than when you found them. I agree with you about the 'valueing women because they are hot' bullshit, I think your spot on there.

3) My only grudge is the way human beings treat other human beings, it doesn't apply to 'beautiful women' only. It applies to guys talking to guys, women to women and men to women, there's no fucking reason why people need to tell off strangers who are just putting themselves out there. If what bothers you is my opinion regarding how strangers treat other strangers than I don't really care. My only real problem was just how we treat other people that are 'in our way', when we have no clue about the type of person they are and what they will even offer us.

Edit: thx btw, ill be adding that to the reading list, looking through the table of contents there seems to be some interesting topics.

1) I'll kind of say fair enough, but trust me, there's nothing to gain form getting your panties in a knot over simple rejection. fear rejection when your applying to several jobs and you can't get one, not when it's just becuase a girl doesn't wana talk to you

2) again, I get what you're saying about manners but we live in a harsh world. it kind of sucks but I kind of understand it. and sometimes being nice about it doesn't work. and not everyone wants to take the time out to be really nice to you cos that just takes time

3) I'd say to a degree, you need to realise not everyone is gonna be nice to eachother. it's also not necessarily a bad thing anyway

1) dude, i know there's nothing to gain lol, when I think about the rejections I certainly don't do so with positive emotions, but some of it is beyond control. You can dampen much of it, but some of it still hammers itself into your skull, and so what am I to do? I do fear rejection still, and I need to move past alot of social barriers in my life to be happy and part of that is just taking the action itself.

2) we live in a harsh world but as corny as it sounds that doesn't mean you have to be. It's a shitty excuse to be honest, and if people don't wonna take hte time to be kind to me than I will tell them off if I want, but the duty is always upon the person initiating the rejection to do it nicely, all responses are fair game if it's initiated in a dickish way. Takes time my ass, it doesn't have to be a full on cuddle fest.

3) i fail to see how being an ass to someone is a good thing. Nothing may come of it, but something still could, whereas if you just reject someone nicely life is waay more likely to just move on casually.

"That's nice. I don't chase after women. Especially women so certain that every man in the world wants to fuck them. I just like to make conversation. And now ours is over. If you ever get over that arrogance, we can chat."

Turn and chat with someone else out of the blue.

Yup, I've done that before. The look of terror, shame, and pain is priceless.

I don't hit on women. No one is worth chasing. If they have to be chased, they can't handle me because I don't slow down. I want a woman who knows what they want and aren't afraid to go after it. There are, on occassion, women that need a hint or nudge. If they come back with a rejection, it doesn't bother me but then again, by this point we both know what it's about instead of just automatically coming off with an arrogant "I have a boyfriend" instead of genuinely being interested in seeing if the person is hitting on them or just making conversation.

I don't care whether she cared or not. My reaction is not about her. It's about me. It's about being honest with myself about how that kind of arrogance from a woman is not only bullshit but harmful to men and women in the dating scene. It immediately self-objectifies the woman and denigrates men. Its asinine and insulting. I don't have time in my life to cater to and coddle people who automatically insult and demean. I've found that if a person needs that kind of attention, they are unstable or dysfunctional and therefore are not worth my time. I'm not here on this planet to fix people. I did my time with that and I'm done.

You bet it's aggressive! I don't dance around. I like to get right to the heart of the matter and if that offends you or pushes your buttons, you need to get a check up from the neck up because you're too uptight and whatever else you've got rattling around inside your head. If something pushes your buttons, get rid of the buttons instead of blaming other people.

As far as conversation goes, I have absolutely no problem starting or keeping conversation.

Now, you have some issues because you're clearly offended enough to throw baseless insults my way. Go think about it. If you get it fixed, great, come back and chat. Otherwise, this conversation is over.

Yeah mate I would but my knees fucked and I had surgery, can't be going out for quite a while. But I agree it's generally better to test things for yourself first rather then just telling someone else to try it.

The person who said it to her worded it differently. "You want to right down my number, right? That's what you were doing?" is much better than "You asked for my #!" Simply because they will either accept or reject you immediately so you don't have to follow up with the terrible line of "oh, we'll you'll want it after this conversation. Hi, I'm --------"

Also she mentioned she never gets hit on, so it must have been a breath of fresh air for her. This won't work on all girls.