War veteran Bernard Jordan defies care home orders in Hove to make D-Day trip

A WAR veteran who disappeared from a care home after being told he couldn't go to Normandy has been found, in Normandy.

Bernard Jordan, 89, disappeared from his Hove care home yesterday morning at about 10.30am.

He left wearing a grey mack and a jacket underneath with his war medals on.

Police were called at about 7.15pm by nursing home staff in Hove and carried out a search including hospitals.

Officers also spoke to bus and taxi companies but none of them knew where he was.

At about 10.30pm that night the nursing home received a call from a younger veteran from Brighton who said he had met the pensioner on a coach on the way to France and that they were safe and well in a hotel in Ouistreham.

A Sussex Police spokesman said: "We have spoken to the veteran who called the home today and are satisfied that the pensioner is fine and that his friends are going to ensure he gets back to Hove safely over the next couple of days after the D-Day celebrations finish.

"Once the pensioner is home we will go and have a chat with him to check he is ok."

Police Commander for the City of Brighton & Hove Nev Kemp tweeted: "Love this:89yr old veteran reported missing by care home who said he can't go to Normandy for #DDay70 remembrance. We've found him there!"

Comments

Oh....and the Legion didn't make a last-minute offer; Bernard made a last-minute request. Do at least try to read it properly.

Oh....and the Legion didn't make a last-minute offer; Bernard made a last-minute request. Do at least try to read it properly.Andy R

Oh....and the Legion didn't make a last-minute offer; Bernard made a last-minute request. Do at least try to read it properly.

Score: 6

independant and proud
7:17pm Fri 6 Jun 14

He couldn't get on a planned trip, so went DIY.

Bless him.

He couldn't get on a planned trip, so went DIY.
Bless him.independant and proud

He couldn't get on a planned trip, so went DIY.

Bless him.

Score: 17

made up
4:28pm Fri 6 Jun 14

Good for him. It's this type of spirit and attitude towards life which is sadly missing from so many in today's society.

Good for him. It's this type of spirit and attitude towards life which is sadly missing from so many in today's society.made up

Good for him. It's this type of spirit and attitude towards life which is sadly missing from so many in today's society.

Score: 82

Andy R
6:42pm Fri 6 Jun 14

Oh...and by the way....this just in from the BBC -

A spokesman for the home said it was "definitely not the case" that Mr Jordan was banned from attending the D-Day commemorations.

Peter Curtis, chief executive of Gracewell Healthcare, which runs The Pines, confirmed Mr Jordan had attended the events in Normandy.

He said: "Mr Jordan has full capacity, which means that he can come and go from the home as he pleases, which he does on most days.

"At no stage was he banned from going to the commemorations."

Staff had in fact tried to get Mr Jordan on to an accredited tour with the Royal British Legion, he added, but it had not been possible because of the last-minute nature of the request.

Mr Curtis said: "Mr Jordan was reported missing to the police yesterday evening as a matter of caution because he did not return from his normal trip to town.

"When he left, [he] had not told us he was still intent on trying to get to Normandy."

And he said staff at the company were "in awe" of the part Mr Jordan had played in the D-Day invasion.

Oh...and by the way....this just in from the BBC -
A spokesman for the home said it was "definitely not the case" that Mr Jordan was banned from attending the D-Day commemorations.
Peter Curtis, chief executive of Gracewell Healthcare, which runs The Pines, confirmed Mr Jordan had attended the events in Normandy.
He said: "Mr Jordan has full capacity, which means that he can come and go from the home as he pleases, which he does on most days.
"At no stage was he banned from going to the commemorations."
Staff had in fact tried to get Mr Jordan on to an accredited tour with the Royal British Legion, he added, but it had not been possible because of the last-minute nature of the request.
Mr Curtis said: "Mr Jordan was reported missing to the police yesterday evening as a matter of caution because he did not return from his normal trip to town.
"When he left, [he] had not told us he was still intent on trying to get to Normandy."
And he said staff at the company were "in awe" of the part Mr Jordan had played in the D-Day invasion.Andy R

Oh...and by the way....this just in from the BBC -

A spokesman for the home said it was "definitely not the case" that Mr Jordan was banned from attending the D-Day commemorations.

Peter Curtis, chief executive of Gracewell Healthcare, which runs The Pines, confirmed Mr Jordan had attended the events in Normandy.

He said: "Mr Jordan has full capacity, which means that he can come and go from the home as he pleases, which he does on most days.

"At no stage was he banned from going to the commemorations."

Staff had in fact tried to get Mr Jordan on to an accredited tour with the Royal British Legion, he added, but it had not been possible because of the last-minute nature of the request.

Mr Curtis said: "Mr Jordan was reported missing to the police yesterday evening as a matter of caution because he did not return from his normal trip to town.

"When he left, [he] had not told us he was still intent on trying to get to Normandy."

And he said staff at the company were "in awe" of the part Mr Jordan had played in the D-Day invasion.

Score: 18

lbplocksmiths@yahoo.co.uk
6:09pm Fri 6 Jun 14

Legendary

Legendarylbplocksmiths@yahoo.co.uk

Legendary

Score: 31

spa301
4:43pm Fri 6 Jun 14

One of a special breed. Good on you sir. Would be honoured to shake your hand.

One of a special breed. Good on you sir. Would be honoured to shake your hand.spa301

One of a special breed. Good on you sir. Would be honoured to shake your hand.

Score: 71

badger55114
4:11pm Fri 6 Jun 14

Good for you! Let's name this care home who think they can stop a war veteran honouring his colleagues!

Good for you! Let's name this care home who think they can stop a war veteran honouring his colleagues!badger55114

Good for you! Let's name this care home who think they can stop a war veteran honouring his colleagues!

Score: 94

SonnyJim55
4:21pm Fri 6 Jun 14

badger55114 wrote…

Good for you! Let's name this care home who think they can stop a war veteran honouring his colleagues!

Absolutely, how dare they tell him he couldn't go. Well done Sir

[quote][p][bold]badger55114[/bold] wrote:
Good for you! Let's name this care home who think they can stop a war veteran honouring his colleagues![/p][/quote]Absolutely, how dare they tell him he couldn't go. Well done SirSonnyJim55

badger55114 wrote…

Good for you! Let's name this care home who think they can stop a war veteran honouring his colleagues!

Absolutely, how dare they tell him he couldn't go. Well done Sir

Score: 99

ZeeGee, ffs
4:24pm Fri 6 Jun 14

"Once the pensioner is home we will go and have a chat with him to check he is ok."

He's clearly in good shape, and much stronger than the nursing staff believed.

I hope he's having a wonderful time there with his comrade-in-arms.

"Once the pensioner is home we will go and have a chat with him to check he is ok."
He's clearly in good shape, and much stronger than the nursing staff believed.
I hope he's having a wonderful time there with his comrade-in-arms.ZeeGee, ffs

"Once the pensioner is home we will go and have a chat with him to check he is ok."

He's clearly in good shape, and much stronger than the nursing staff believed.

I hope he's having a wonderful time there with his comrade-in-arms.

Score: 93

Morpheus
4:28pm Fri 6 Jun 14

Who is he? A hero.

Who is he? A hero.Morpheus

Who is he? A hero.

Score: 52

Joel'sGrandad
4:35pm Fri 6 Jun 14

The Dunkirk spirit lives on. Absolutely fantastic.
What a man.

The Dunkirk spirit lives on. Absolutely fantastic.
What a man.Joel'sGrandad

The Dunkirk spirit lives on. Absolutely fantastic.
What a man.

Score: 77

Guernsey gull
4:39pm Fri 6 Jun 14

Good for you old hero, perhaps the care home can be named and shamed.
How dare they, they perhaps wouldn't be here today, if it wasn't for heroes like him.
Well done !

Good for you old hero, perhaps the care home can be named and shamed.
How dare they, they perhaps wouldn't be here today, if it wasn't for heroes like him.
Well done !Guernsey gull

Good for you old hero, perhaps the care home can be named and shamed.
How dare they, they perhaps wouldn't be here today, if it wasn't for heroes like him.
Well done !

Score: 62

Frank28
4:41pm Fri 6 Jun 14

Obviously the Care Home doesn't care enough for the residents, if an 89 year old can leave the home, and be in a foreign country in the afternoon. Who exactly is in control of this Care Home, that they can tell one of our Veterans what he can and cannot do with regard to travel, and how he spends the rest of his life? Perhaps it is better the the Home does remain anonymous, because it could enter the public eye for all the wrong reasons.

Obviously the Care Home doesn't care enough for the residents, if an 89 year old can leave the home, and be in a foreign country in the afternoon. Who exactly is in control of this Care Home, that they can tell one of our Veterans what he can and cannot do with regard to travel, and how he spends the rest of his life? Perhaps it is better the the Home does remain anonymous, because it could enter the public eye for all the wrong reasons.Frank28

Obviously the Care Home doesn't care enough for the residents, if an 89 year old can leave the home, and be in a foreign country in the afternoon. Who exactly is in control of this Care Home, that they can tell one of our Veterans what he can and cannot do with regard to travel, and how he spends the rest of his life? Perhaps it is better the the Home does remain anonymous, because it could enter the public eye for all the wrong reasons.

Score: 44

westpiergone
4:47pm Fri 6 Jun 14

You`re never too old to be a rebel ! Well done,big respect to you & your comrades past & present :)

You`re never too old to be a rebel ! Well done,big respect to you & your comrades past & present :)westpiergone

You`re never too old to be a rebel ! Well done,big respect to you & your comrades past & present :)

Score: 59

Andy R
5:04pm Fri 6 Jun 14

The Argus has neglected to mention that Bernard was a long-serving Hove Borough Councillor and former Mayor (that's the picture he's holding). He was a Tory but he often disobeyed their orders too. Nice to see him growing old so disgracefully!

The Argus has neglected to mention that Bernard was a long-serving Hove Borough Councillor and former Mayor (that's the picture he's holding). He was a Tory but he often disobeyed their orders too. Nice to see him growing old so disgracefully!Andy R

The Argus has neglected to mention that Bernard was a long-serving Hove Borough Councillor and former Mayor (that's the picture he's holding). He was a Tory but he often disobeyed their orders too. Nice to see him growing old so disgracefully!

Score: 72

The Real Phil
6:57pm Fri 6 Jun 14

badger55114 wrote…

Good for you! Let's name this care home who think they can stop a war veteran honouring his colleagues!

And on top of that campaign to shut them down. Abuse of the elderly is something that must be stamped out, and this was nothing short of the worst kind of emotional abuse. Good for him for defeating the modern enemy.

[quote][p][bold]badger55114[/bold] wrote:
Good for you! Let's name this care home who think they can stop a war veteran honouring his colleagues![/p][/quote]And on top of that campaign to shut them down. Abuse of the elderly is something that must be stamped out, and this was nothing short of the worst kind of emotional abuse. Good for him for defeating the modern enemy.The Real Phil

badger55114 wrote…

Good for you! Let's name this care home who think they can stop a war veteran honouring his colleagues!

And on top of that campaign to shut them down. Abuse of the elderly is something that must be stamped out, and this was nothing short of the worst kind of emotional abuse. Good for him for defeating the modern enemy.

Score: 7

Goldenwight
5:35pm Fri 6 Jun 14

badger55114 wrote…

Good for you! Let's name this care home who think they can stop a war veteran honouring his colleagues!

Nowhere in this story does it say that the Care Home stopped him doing anything (other than in the headline which is rather vague). The order could have come from Social Services, his family, his Doctor, even the Veterans' Association themselves.

Personally, I think we should name and shame those who make completely inappropriate comments based on their assumptions about stories

[quote][p][bold]badger55114[/bold] wrote:
Good for you! Let's name this care home who think they can stop a war veteran honouring his colleagues![/p][/quote]Nowhere in this story does it say that the Care Home stopped him doing anything (other than in the headline which is rather vague). The order could have come from Social Services, his family, his Doctor, even the Veterans' Association themselves.
Personally, I think we should name and shame those who make completely inappropriate comments based on their assumptions about storiesGoldenwight

badger55114 wrote…

Good for you! Let's name this care home who think they can stop a war veteran honouring his colleagues!

Nowhere in this story does it say that the Care Home stopped him doing anything (other than in the headline which is rather vague). The order could have come from Social Services, his family, his Doctor, even the Veterans' Association themselves.

Personally, I think we should name and shame those who make completely inappropriate comments based on their assumptions about stories

Score: -37

Man of steel
5:49pm Fri 6 Jun 14

Goldenwight wrote…

badger55114 wrote…

Good for you! Let's name this care home who think they can stop a war veteran honouring his colleagues!

Nowhere in this story does it say that the Care Home stopped him doing anything (other than in the headline which is rather vague). The order could have come from Social Services, his family, his Doctor, even the Veterans' Association themselves.

Personally, I think we should name and shame those who make completely inappropriate comments based on their assumptions about stories

Goldenwright, not quite sure which story you read, but it is plainly stated by the Police Commander for the City of Brighton & Hove that ":89yr old veteran reported missing by care home{bold} who said he can't go{/bold} to Normandy for #DDay70 remembrance"

[quote][p][bold]Goldenwight[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]badger55114[/bold] wrote:
Good for you! Let's name this care home who think they can stop a war veteran honouring his colleagues![/p][/quote]Nowhere in this story does it say that the Care Home stopped him doing anything (other than in the headline which is rather vague). The order could have come from Social Services, his family, his Doctor, even the Veterans' Association themselves.
Personally, I think we should name and shame those who make completely inappropriate comments based on their assumptions about stories[/p][/quote]Goldenwright, not quite sure which story you read, but it is plainly stated by the Police Commander for the City of Brighton & Hove that ":89yr old veteran reported missing by care home{bold} who said he can't go{/bold} to Normandy for #DDay70 remembrance"Man of steel

Goldenwight wrote…

badger55114 wrote…

Good for you! Let's name this care home who think they can stop a war veteran honouring his colleagues!

Nowhere in this story does it say that the Care Home stopped him doing anything (other than in the headline which is rather vague). The order could have come from Social Services, his family, his Doctor, even the Veterans' Association themselves.

Personally, I think we should name and shame those who make completely inappropriate comments based on their assumptions about stories

Goldenwright, not quite sure which story you read, but it is plainly stated by the Police Commander for the City of Brighton & Hove that ":89yr old veteran reported missing by care home{bold} who said he can't go{/bold} to Normandy for #DDay70 remembrance"

Score: 46

Man of steel
5:50pm Fri 6 Jun 14

Should read [bold]who said he can't go[/bold]

Should read [bold]who said he can't go[/bold]Man of steel

Should read [bold]who said he can't go[/bold]

Score: 10

Metro Reader
6:05pm Fri 6 Jun 14

badger55114 wrote…

Good for you! Let's name this care home who think they can stop a war veteran honouring his colleagues!

BBC Radio 4 PM programme named it as the PINES CARE HOME.

Shocking that they would attempt to stop him, they should have offered support and a member of staff to accompany him. .

[quote][p][bold]badger55114[/bold] wrote:
Good for you! Let's name this care home who think they can stop a war veteran honouring his colleagues![/p][/quote]BBC Radio 4 PM programme named it as the PINES CARE HOME.
Shocking that they would attempt to stop him, they should have offered support and a member of staff to accompany him. .Metro Reader

badger55114 wrote…

Good for you! Let's name this care home who think they can stop a war veteran honouring his colleagues!

BBC Radio 4 PM programme named it as the PINES CARE HOME.

Shocking that they would attempt to stop him, they should have offered support and a member of staff to accompany him. .

Score: 34

whatone
6:06pm Fri 6 Jun 14

Sir, you deserve to give yourself a pat on the back and a rebellious chuckle...

This 'don't care home' just about sums up modern Britain!

Sir, you deserve to give yourself a pat on the back and a rebellious chuckle...
This 'don't care home' just about sums up modern Britain!whatone

Sir, you deserve to give yourself a pat on the back and a rebellious chuckle...

This 'don't care home' just about sums up modern Britain!

Score: 36

Guernsey gull
6:11pm Fri 6 Jun 14

Goldenwight wrote…

badger55114 wrote…

Good for you! Let's name this care home who think they can stop a war veteran honouring his colleagues!

Nowhere in this story does it say that the Care Home stopped him doing anything (other than in the headline which is rather vague). The order could have come from Social Services, his family, his Doctor, even the Veterans' Association themselves.

Personally, I think we should name and shame those who make completely inappropriate comments based on their assumptions about stories

Gawk !

[quote][p][bold]Goldenwight[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]badger55114[/bold] wrote:
Good for you! Let's name this care home who think they can stop a war veteran honouring his colleagues![/p][/quote]Nowhere in this story does it say that the Care Home stopped him doing anything (other than in the headline which is rather vague). The order could have come from Social Services, his family, his Doctor, even the Veterans' Association themselves.
Personally, I think we should name and shame those who make completely inappropriate comments based on their assumptions about stories[/p][/quote]Gawk !Guernsey gull

Goldenwight wrote…

badger55114 wrote…

Good for you! Let's name this care home who think they can stop a war veteran honouring his colleagues!

Nowhere in this story does it say that the Care Home stopped him doing anything (other than in the headline which is rather vague). The order could have come from Social Services, his family, his Doctor, even the Veterans' Association themselves.

Personally, I think we should name and shame those who make completely inappropriate comments based on their assumptions about stories

Gawk !

Score: 6

[deleted]
6:17pm Fri 6 Jun 14

[deleted]

[quote][p][bold]Morpheus[/bold] wrote:
Who is he? A hero.[/p][/quote]maybe he took part in operation overload as the argus has reported
he went to the wrong beach "must have read the argus local knowledge on the invasion
*facepalm*My-views

Morpheus wrote…

Who is he? A hero.

maybe he took part in operation overload as the argus has reported
he went to the wrong beach "must have read the argus local knowledge on the invasion
*facepalm*

Score: 1

Andy R
6:35pm Fri 6 Jun 14

Man of steel wrote…

Goldenwight wrote…

badger55114 wrote…

Good for you! Let's name this care home who think they can stop a war veteran honouring his colleagues!

Nowhere in this story does it say that the Care Home stopped him doing anything (other than in the headline which is rather vague). The order could have come from Social Services, his family, his Doctor, even the Veterans' Association themselves.

Personally, I think we should name and shame those who make completely inappropriate comments based on their assumptions about stories

Goldenwright, not quite sure which story you read, but it is plainly stated by the Police Commander for the City of Brighton & Hove that ":89yr old veteran reported missing by care home{bold} who said he can't go{/bold} to Normandy for #DDay70 remembrance"

Well...Nev Kemp was tweeting. There's not a lot of background you can get into 140 characters. I'm glad he made it over but I have no doubt that the people entrusted with his care thought they were acting for the best. Do we really have to have naming and shaming and sacking and hanging and drawing and quartering every time someone has to make a decision? It's an old cliche I know, but if you think you could do better.......

[quote][p][bold]Man of steel[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Goldenwight[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]badger55114[/bold] wrote:
Good for you! Let's name this care home who think they can stop a war veteran honouring his colleagues![/p][/quote]Nowhere in this story does it say that the Care Home stopped him doing anything (other than in the headline which is rather vague). The order could have come from Social Services, his family, his Doctor, even the Veterans' Association themselves.
Personally, I think we should name and shame those who make completely inappropriate comments based on their assumptions about stories[/p][/quote]Goldenwright, not quite sure which story you read, but it is plainly stated by the Police Commander for the City of Brighton & Hove that ":89yr old veteran reported missing by care home{bold} who said he can't go{/bold} to Normandy for #DDay70 remembrance"[/p][/quote]Well...Nev Kemp was tweeting. There's not a lot of background you can get into 140 characters. I'm glad he made it over but I have no doubt that the people entrusted with his care thought they were acting for the best. Do we really have to have naming and shaming and sacking and hanging and drawing and quartering every time someone has to make a decision? It's an old cliche I know, but if you think you could do better.......Andy R

Man of steel wrote…

Goldenwight wrote…

badger55114 wrote…

Good for you! Let's name this care home who think they can stop a war veteran honouring his colleagues!

Nowhere in this story does it say that the Care Home stopped him doing anything (other than in the headline which is rather vague). The order could have come from Social Services, his family, his Doctor, even the Veterans' Association themselves.

Personally, I think we should name and shame those who make completely inappropriate comments based on their assumptions about stories

Goldenwright, not quite sure which story you read, but it is plainly stated by the Police Commander for the City of Brighton & Hove that ":89yr old veteran reported missing by care home{bold} who said he can't go{/bold} to Normandy for #DDay70 remembrance"

Well...Nev Kemp was tweeting. There's not a lot of background you can get into 140 characters. I'm glad he made it over but I have no doubt that the people entrusted with his care thought they were acting for the best. Do we really have to have naming and shaming and sacking and hanging and drawing and quartering every time someone has to make a decision? It's an old cliche I know, but if you think you could do better.......

Score: -10

Andy R
6:36pm Fri 6 Jun 14

Guernsey gull wrote…

Good for you old hero, perhaps the care home can be named and shamed.
How dare they, they perhaps wouldn't be here today, if it wasn't for heroes like him.
Well done !

"Named and shamed", why, exactly?

[quote][p][bold]Guernsey gull[/bold] wrote:
Good for you old hero, perhaps the care home can be named and shamed.
How dare they, they perhaps wouldn't be here today, if it wasn't for heroes like him.
Well done ![/p][/quote]"Named and shamed", why, exactly?Andy R

Guernsey gull wrote…

Good for you old hero, perhaps the care home can be named and shamed.
How dare they, they perhaps wouldn't be here today, if it wasn't for heroes like him.
Well done !

"Named and shamed", why, exactly?

Score: -10

stir up
6:46pm Fri 6 Jun 14

This is why we won the war. None of the staff had any idea of what it meant to him to he there today. Nor do they understand what we at home felt to know that this meant this was the start of the end of the war, nobody during all the years ever said other than we will win now others will now know why.

This is why we won the war. None of the staff had any idea of what it meant to him to he there today. Nor do they understand what we at home felt to know that this meant this was the start of the end of the war, nobody during all the years ever said other than we will win now others will now know why.stir up

This is why we won the war. None of the staff had any idea of what it meant to him to he there today. Nor do they understand what we at home felt to know that this meant this was the start of the end of the war, nobody during all the years ever said other than we will win now others will now know why.

Score: 20

Stardog
6:56pm Fri 6 Jun 14

Bulldog spirit! Good on you Sir!

Bulldog spirit! Good on you Sir!Stardog

Bulldog spirit! Good on you Sir!

Score: 17

ajpj
9:55pm Fri 6 Jun 14

Naughty Boy .... But a great guy ! ... I admire you ..

Naughty Boy .... But a great guy ! ... I admire you ..ajpj

Naughty Boy .... But a great guy ! ... I admire you ..

Score: 6

Martha Gunn
7:22pm Fri 6 Jun 14

Go Bernard!
Go! Go!

Heart lifting story.

Go Bernard!
Go! Go!
Heart lifting story.Martha Gunn

Go Bernard!
Go! Go!

Heart lifting story.

Score: 22

ZeeGee, ffs
7:27pm Fri 6 Jun 14

Andy R wrote…

Oh...and by the way....this just in from the BBC -

A spokesman for the home said it was "definitely not the case" that Mr Jordan was banned from attending the D-Day commemorations.

Peter Curtis, chief executive of Gracewell Healthcare, which runs The Pines, confirmed Mr Jordan had attended the events in Normandy.

He said: "Mr Jordan has full capacity, which means that he can come and go from the home as he pleases, which he does on most days.

"At no stage was he banned from going to the commemorations."

Staff had in fact tried to get Mr Jordan on to an accredited tour with the Royal British Legion, he added, but it had not been possible because of the last-minute nature of the request.

Mr Curtis said: "Mr Jordan was reported missing to the police yesterday evening as a matter of caution because he did not return from his normal trip to town.

"When he left, [he] had not told us he was still intent on trying to get to Normandy."

And he said staff at the company were "in awe" of the part Mr Jordan had played in the D-Day invasion.

Well, he WOULD say that, wouldn't he??

Further, why would the Legion be making a last-minute' offer? Was it because someone had told the Legion that Mr Jordan had been prevented (somehow) from making the trip and that prevention happened a while back?

If the home acknowledges that Mr Jordan has full capacity, then he had that full capacity at the time he was told that he wouldn't be going.

It's a classic case of back-pedalling by the home.

[quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote:
Oh...and by the way....this just in from the BBC -
A spokesman for the home said it was "definitely not the case" that Mr Jordan was banned from attending the D-Day commemorations.
Peter Curtis, chief executive of Gracewell Healthcare, which runs The Pines, confirmed Mr Jordan had attended the events in Normandy.
He said: "Mr Jordan has full capacity, which means that he can come and go from the home as he pleases, which he does on most days.
"At no stage was he banned from going to the commemorations."
Staff had in fact tried to get Mr Jordan on to an accredited tour with the Royal British Legion, he added, but it had not been possible because of the last-minute nature of the request.
Mr Curtis said: "Mr Jordan was reported missing to the police yesterday evening as a matter of caution because he did not return from his normal trip to town.
"When he left, [he] had not told us he was still intent on trying to get to Normandy."
And he said staff at the company were "in awe" of the part Mr Jordan had played in the D-Day invasion.[/p][/quote]Well, he WOULD say that, wouldn't he??
Further, why would the Legion be making a last-minute' offer? Was it because someone had told the Legion that Mr Jordan had been prevented (somehow) from making the trip and that prevention happened a while back?
If the home acknowledges that Mr Jordan has full capacity, then he had that full capacity at the time he was told that he wouldn't be going.
It's a classic case of back-pedalling by the home.ZeeGee, ffs

Andy R wrote…

Oh...and by the way....this just in from the BBC -

A spokesman for the home said it was "definitely not the case" that Mr Jordan was banned from attending the D-Day commemorations.

Peter Curtis, chief executive of Gracewell Healthcare, which runs The Pines, confirmed Mr Jordan had attended the events in Normandy.

He said: "Mr Jordan has full capacity, which means that he can come and go from the home as he pleases, which he does on most days.

"At no stage was he banned from going to the commemorations."

Staff had in fact tried to get Mr Jordan on to an accredited tour with the Royal British Legion, he added, but it had not been possible because of the last-minute nature of the request.

Mr Curtis said: "Mr Jordan was reported missing to the police yesterday evening as a matter of caution because he did not return from his normal trip to town.

"When he left, [he] had not told us he was still intent on trying to get to Normandy."

And he said staff at the company were "in awe" of the part Mr Jordan had played in the D-Day invasion.

Well, he WOULD say that, wouldn't he??

Further, why would the Legion be making a last-minute' offer? Was it because someone had told the Legion that Mr Jordan had been prevented (somehow) from making the trip and that prevention happened a while back?

If the home acknowledges that Mr Jordan has full capacity, then he had that full capacity at the time he was told that he wouldn't be going.

It's a classic case of back-pedalling by the home.

Score: 5

ZeeGee, ffs
1:37am Sat 7 Jun 14

Andy R:

"and the Legion didn't make a last-minute offer; Bernard made a last-minute request. Do at least try to read it properly."

According to YOU, it was reported that:

"Staff had in fact tried to get Mr Jordan on to an accredited tour with the Royal British Legion, he added, but it had not been possible because of the last-minute nature of the request."

So Bernard didn't make that request - the staff did.

Do at least try to read your own evidence properly.

Andy R:
"and the Legion didn't make a last-minute offer; Bernard made a last-minute request. Do at least try to read it properly."
According to YOU, it was reported that:
"Staff had in fact tried to get Mr Jordan on to an accredited tour with the Royal British Legion, he added, but it had not been possible because of the last-minute nature of the request."
So Bernard didn't make that request - the staff did.
Do at least try to read your own evidence properly.ZeeGee, ffs

Andy R:

"and the Legion didn't make a last-minute offer; Bernard made a last-minute request. Do at least try to read it properly."

According to YOU, it was reported that:

"Staff had in fact tried to get Mr Jordan on to an accredited tour with the Royal British Legion, he added, but it had not been possible because of the last-minute nature of the request."

So Bernard didn't make that request - the staff did.

Do at least try to read your own evidence properly.

Score: 3

Andy R
7:34pm Fri 6 Jun 14

ZeeGee, ffs wrote…

Andy R wrote…

Oh...and by the way....this just in from the BBC -

A spokesman for the home said it was "definitely not the case" that Mr Jordan was banned from attending the D-Day commemorations.

Peter Curtis, chief executive of Gracewell Healthcare, which runs The Pines, confirmed Mr Jordan had attended the events in Normandy.

He said: "Mr Jordan has full capacity, which means that he can come and go from the home as he pleases, which he does on most days.

"At no stage was he banned from going to the commemorations."

Staff had in fact tried to get Mr Jordan on to an accredited tour with the Royal British Legion, he added, but it had not been possible because of the last-minute nature of the request.

Mr Curtis said: "Mr Jordan was reported missing to the police yesterday evening as a matter of caution because he did not return from his normal trip to town.

"When he left, [he] had not told us he was still intent on trying to get to Normandy."

And he said staff at the company were "in awe" of the part Mr Jordan had played in the D-Day invasion.

Well, he WOULD say that, wouldn't he??

Further, why would the Legion be making a last-minute' offer? Was it because someone had told the Legion that Mr Jordan had been prevented (somehow) from making the trip and that prevention happened a while back?

If the home acknowledges that Mr Jordan has full capacity, then he had that full capacity at the time he was told that he wouldn't be going.

It's a classic case of back-pedalling by the home.

A truly remarkable interpretation of a fairly simple set of facts. But no matter....I realise that you have a full grasp of your preferred narrative of over mighty officialdom bearing down on an old man and no-one's going to take it off you!

[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote:
Oh...and by the way....this just in from the BBC -
A spokesman for the home said it was "definitely not the case" that Mr Jordan was banned from attending the D-Day commemorations.
Peter Curtis, chief executive of Gracewell Healthcare, which runs The Pines, confirmed Mr Jordan had attended the events in Normandy.
He said: "Mr Jordan has full capacity, which means that he can come and go from the home as he pleases, which he does on most days.
"At no stage was he banned from going to the commemorations."
Staff had in fact tried to get Mr Jordan on to an accredited tour with the Royal British Legion, he added, but it had not been possible because of the last-minute nature of the request.
Mr Curtis said: "Mr Jordan was reported missing to the police yesterday evening as a matter of caution because he did not return from his normal trip to town.
"When he left, [he] had not told us he was still intent on trying to get to Normandy."
And he said staff at the company were "in awe" of the part Mr Jordan had played in the D-Day invasion.[/p][/quote]Well, he WOULD say that, wouldn't he??
Further, why would the Legion be making a last-minute' offer? Was it because someone had told the Legion that Mr Jordan had been prevented (somehow) from making the trip and that prevention happened a while back?
If the home acknowledges that Mr Jordan has full capacity, then he had that full capacity at the time he was told that he wouldn't be going.
It's a classic case of back-pedalling by the home.[/p][/quote]A truly remarkable interpretation of a fairly simple set of facts. But no matter....I realise that you have a full grasp of your preferred narrative of over mighty officialdom bearing down on an old man and no-one's going to take it off you!Andy R

ZeeGee, ffs wrote…

Andy R wrote…

Oh...and by the way....this just in from the BBC -

A spokesman for the home said it was "definitely not the case" that Mr Jordan was banned from attending the D-Day commemorations.

Peter Curtis, chief executive of Gracewell Healthcare, which runs The Pines, confirmed Mr Jordan had attended the events in Normandy.

He said: "Mr Jordan has full capacity, which means that he can come and go from the home as he pleases, which he does on most days.

"At no stage was he banned from going to the commemorations."

Staff had in fact tried to get Mr Jordan on to an accredited tour with the Royal British Legion, he added, but it had not been possible because of the last-minute nature of the request.

Mr Curtis said: "Mr Jordan was reported missing to the police yesterday evening as a matter of caution because he did not return from his normal trip to town.

"When he left, [he] had not told us he was still intent on trying to get to Normandy."

And he said staff at the company were "in awe" of the part Mr Jordan had played in the D-Day invasion.

Well, he WOULD say that, wouldn't he??

Further, why would the Legion be making a last-minute' offer? Was it because someone had told the Legion that Mr Jordan had been prevented (somehow) from making the trip and that prevention happened a while back?

If the home acknowledges that Mr Jordan has full capacity, then he had that full capacity at the time he was told that he wouldn't be going.

It's a classic case of back-pedalling by the home.

A truly remarkable interpretation of a fairly simple set of facts. But no matter....I realise that you have a full grasp of your preferred narrative of over mighty officialdom bearing down on an old man and no-one's going to take it off you!

Score: -5

Idontbelieveit1948
8:01pm Fri 6 Jun 14

Whatever,

A) I'm glad he got there
B) I'm glad he's safe
C) I hope he has a jolly good time

Whatever,
A) I'm glad he got there
B) I'm glad he's safe
C) I hope he has a jolly good timeIdontbelieveit1948

Whatever,

A) I'm glad he got there
B) I'm glad he's safe
C) I hope he has a jolly good time

Score: 27

leet1979
8:03pm Fri 6 Jun 14

This is the kind of spirit that won the war.. so just let the man see his friends for what probably be the last time... The man is a legend. . Well done

This is the kind of spirit that won the war.. so just let the man see his friends for what probably be the last time... The man is a legend. . Well doneleet1979

This is the kind of spirit that won the war.. so just let the man see his friends for what probably be the last time... The man is a legend. . Well done

Score: 18

John Steed
8:27pm Fri 6 Jun 14

I salute this gentleman a true old soldier, and a winston churchill to the miserable management of the nursing home, it is named and shamed in the tabloids, and soon will be mocked world wide. so argus are you a newspaper or a snooze paper, man up and print what the rest of the world already knows, and lets have a heros welcome when he returns.

I salute this gentleman a true old soldier, and a winston churchill to the miserable management of the nursing home, it is named and shamed in the tabloids, and soon will be mocked world wide. so argus are you a newspaper or a snooze paper, man up and print what the rest of the world already knows, and lets have a heros welcome when he returns.John Steed

I salute this gentleman a true old soldier, and a winston churchill to the miserable management of the nursing home, it is named and shamed in the tabloids, and soon will be mocked world wide. so argus are you a newspaper or a snooze paper, man up and print what the rest of the world already knows, and lets have a heros welcome when he returns.

Score: 15

lizzie58
8:34pm Fri 6 Jun 14

What a Hero...Brought a tear to my eye and a lump to my throat then had me chuckling at the thoughts of him sneaking out with his medals hidden...Just goes to show that he maybe 89 yrs but in his heart and mind he is still that young man who risked his life along with others on that Fateful Day.God Bless and those who never returned him he might never get the chance to go again.He deserves to have all the attention bestowed on him he deserves a Hero's reception when he returns home.I hope he gets interviewed on mainstream TV regarding the part he played with the D-Day Landings it would be Fab to hear his story.We all should have the greatest respect for this Veteran.

What a Hero...Brought a tear to my eye and a lump to my throat then had me chuckling at the thoughts of him sneaking out with his medals hidden...Just goes to show that he maybe 89 yrs but in his heart and mind he is still that young man who risked his life along with others on that Fateful Day.God Bless and those who never returned him he might never get the chance to go again.He deserves to have all the attention bestowed on him he deserves a Hero's reception when he returns home.I hope he gets interviewed on mainstream TV regarding the part he played with the D-Day Landings it would be Fab to hear his story.We all should have the greatest respect for this Veteran.lizzie58

What a Hero...Brought a tear to my eye and a lump to my throat then had me chuckling at the thoughts of him sneaking out with his medals hidden...Just goes to show that he maybe 89 yrs but in his heart and mind he is still that young man who risked his life along with others on that Fateful Day.God Bless and those who never returned him he might never get the chance to go again.He deserves to have all the attention bestowed on him he deserves a Hero's reception when he returns home.I hope he gets interviewed on mainstream TV regarding the part he played with the D-Day Landings it would be Fab to hear his story.We all should have the greatest respect for this Veteran.

Score: 24

yaddab
9:56pm Fri 6 Jun 14

Well done you, you were fit at 19 to do what you did, and you are fit enough now to make up your own mind.

Peace and thank you to you

Well done you, you were fit at 19 to do what you did, and you are fit enough now to make up your own mind.
Peace and thank you to youyaddab

Well done you, you were fit at 19 to do what you did, and you are fit enough now to make up your own mind.

Peace and thank you to you

Score: 11

NickBrt
9:13pm Fri 6 Jun 14

Good for him! Care home probably run by some health and safety cretin green voter.

Good for him! Care home probably run by some health and safety cretin green voter.NickBrt

Good for him! Care home probably run by some health and safety cretin green voter.

Bernard Jordan has woken us up to just how deep a hold that war maintains over its vets and just how much it means to them. Good.

Bernard Jordan has woken us up to just how deep a hold that war maintains over its vets and just how much it means to them. Good.Valerie Paynter

Bernard Jordan has woken us up to just how deep a hold that war maintains over its vets and just how much it means to them. Good.

Score: 6

Andy R
10:02pm Fri 6 Jun 14

John Steed wrote…

I salute this gentleman a true old soldier, and a winston churchill to the miserable management of the nursing home, it is named and shamed in the tabloids, and soon will be mocked world wide. so argus are you a newspaper or a snooze paper, man up and print what the rest of the world already knows, and lets have a heros welcome when he returns.

Yeah....it's called The Pines. Looks a nice place. It's home to 35 elderly people and a workplace to the people who care for them. Clearly a prime candidate for your "shaming".

[quote][p][bold]John Steed[/bold] wrote:
I salute this gentleman a true old soldier, and a winston churchill to the miserable management of the nursing home, it is named and shamed in the tabloids, and soon will be mocked world wide. so argus are you a newspaper or a snooze paper, man up and print what the rest of the world already knows, and lets have a heros welcome when he returns.[/p][/quote]Yeah....it's called The Pines. Looks a nice place. It's home to 35 elderly people and a workplace to the people who care for them. Clearly a prime candidate for your "shaming".
What's the arrangement? Meet there tomorrow evening - pitchforks optional?Andy R

John Steed wrote…

I salute this gentleman a true old soldier, and a winston churchill to the miserable management of the nursing home, it is named and shamed in the tabloids, and soon will be mocked world wide. so argus are you a newspaper or a snooze paper, man up and print what the rest of the world already knows, and lets have a heros welcome when he returns.

Yeah....it's called The Pines. Looks a nice place. It's home to 35 elderly people and a workplace to the people who care for them. Clearly a prime candidate for your "shaming".

Front page of Saturday's Daily Mail isn't the Queen or the formalities of Friday's ceremonials, its Bernard Jordan. Headline: The Great Escape.

Front page of Saturday's Daily Mail isn't the Queen or the formalities of Friday's ceremonials, its Bernard Jordan. Headline: The Great Escape.Valerie Paynter

Front page of Saturday's Daily Mail isn't the Queen or the formalities of Friday's ceremonials, its Bernard Jordan. Headline: The Great Escape.

Score: 8

gaay buoy
10:16pm Fri 6 Jun 14

Goldenwight wrote…

badger55114 wrote…

Good for you! Let's name this care home who think they can stop a war veteran honouring his colleagues!

Nowhere in this story does it say that the Care Home stopped him doing anything (other than in the headline which is rather vague). The order could have come from Social Services, his family, his Doctor, even the Veterans' Association themselves.

Personally, I think we should name and shame those who make completely inappropriate comments based on their assumptions about stories

Oh dear...there's always one

[quote][p][bold]Goldenwight[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]badger55114[/bold] wrote:
Good for you! Let's name this care home who think they can stop a war veteran honouring his colleagues![/p][/quote]Nowhere in this story does it say that the Care Home stopped him doing anything (other than in the headline which is rather vague). The order could have come from Social Services, his family, his Doctor, even the Veterans' Association themselves.
Personally, I think we should name and shame those who make completely inappropriate comments based on their assumptions about stories[/p][/quote]Oh dear...there's always onegaay buoy

Goldenwight wrote…

badger55114 wrote…

Good for you! Let's name this care home who think they can stop a war veteran honouring his colleagues!

Nowhere in this story does it say that the Care Home stopped him doing anything (other than in the headline which is rather vague). The order could have come from Social Services, his family, his Doctor, even the Veterans' Association themselves.

Personally, I think we should name and shame those who make completely inappropriate comments based on their assumptions about stories

Oh dear...there's always one

Score: 5

Dingbat99
10:50pm Fri 6 Jun 14

John Steed wrote…

I salute this gentleman a true old soldier, and a winston churchill to the miserable management of the nursing home, it is named and shamed in the tabloids, and soon will be mocked world wide. so argus are you a newspaper or a snooze paper, man up and print what the rest of the world already knows, and lets have a heros welcome when he returns.

I salute this gentleman, but not as a true old soldier, but a true old sailor as he served in the Royal Navy.
Well done sir.

[quote][p][bold]John Steed[/bold] wrote:
I salute this gentleman a true old soldier, and a winston churchill to the miserable management of the nursing home, it is named and shamed in the tabloids, and soon will be mocked world wide. so argus are you a newspaper or a snooze paper, man up and print what the rest of the world already knows, and lets have a heros welcome when he returns.[/p][/quote]I salute this gentleman, but not as a true old soldier, but a true old sailor as he served in the Royal Navy.
Well done sir.Dingbat99

John Steed wrote…

I salute this gentleman a true old soldier, and a winston churchill to the miserable management of the nursing home, it is named and shamed in the tabloids, and soon will be mocked world wide. so argus are you a newspaper or a snooze paper, man up and print what the rest of the world already knows, and lets have a heros welcome when he returns.

I salute this gentleman, but not as a true old soldier, but a true old sailor as he served in the Royal Navy.
Well done sir.

Score: 5

merilion
11:13pm Fri 6 Jun 14

I think it will turn out that he officially couldnt go on RBL trip last minute, due to french govt paperwork. All visitors to DD70 had to submit paperwork months ago. Having seen the number of high level attendees think it was a security decision.
Many vets were phased by paperwork as well as my self when I realised the deadline had gone. Well done to him abd as many other vets said they didnt need paperwork first time round.... grand chap!

I think it will turn out that he officially couldnt go on RBL trip last minute, due to french govt paperwork. All visitors to DD70 had to submit paperwork months ago. Having seen the number of high level attendees think it was a security decision.
Many vets were phased by paperwork as well as my self when I realised the deadline had gone. Well done to him abd as many other vets said they didnt need paperwork first time round.... grand chap!merilion

I think it will turn out that he officially couldnt go on RBL trip last minute, due to french govt paperwork. All visitors to DD70 had to submit paperwork months ago. Having seen the number of high level attendees think it was a security decision.
Many vets were phased by paperwork as well as my self when I realised the deadline had gone. Well done to him abd as many other vets said they didnt need paperwork first time round.... grand chap!

Score: 10

[deleted]
11:44pm Fri 6 Jun 14

[deleted]

[quote][p][bold]Guernsey gull[/bold] wrote:
Good for you old hero, perhaps the care home can be named and shamed.
How dare they, they perhaps wouldn't be here today, if it wasn't for heroes like him.
Well done ![/p][/quote]ok i guess you found out now it was the Pines http://www.gracewell
.co.uk/care-homes/th
e-pines.aspx
The Pines
Furze Hill
Hove, East Sussex
BN3 1PAMy-views

Guernsey gull wrote…

Good for you old hero, perhaps the care home can be named and shamed.
How dare they, they perhaps wouldn't be here today, if it wasn't for heroes like him.
Well done !

ok i guess you found out now it was the Pines http://www.gracewell
.co.uk/care-homes/th
e-pines.aspx
The Pines
Furze Hill
Hove, East Sussex
BN3 1PA

Score: 1

Friend-of-Hove
3:58am Sat 7 Jun 14

Well done Mr Jordan! You have not only had a well-deserved trip to commemorate your colleagues, you have given Hove invaluable international attention. Your story is all over the news here in New York City and throughout America! You are the new patron saint of pensioners everywhere!

Well done Mr Jordan! You have not only had a well-deserved trip to commemorate your colleagues, you have given Hove invaluable international attention. Your story is all over the news here in New York City and throughout America! You are the new patron saint of pensioners everywhere!Friend-of-Hove

Well done Mr Jordan! You have not only had a well-deserved trip to commemorate your colleagues, you have given Hove invaluable international attention. Your story is all over the news here in New York City and throughout America! You are the new patron saint of pensioners everywhere!

Score: 7

Old Ale Man
7:05am Sat 7 Jun 14

Always been a determind man.
Hope you got a peace offering for the miss's Berny, like a box of King Edward cigars and a nice bottle of Cognac, else your be in trouble.

Always been a determind man.
Hope you got a peace offering for the miss's Berny, like a box of King Edward cigars and a nice bottle of Cognac, else your be in trouble.Old Ale Man

Always been a determind man.
Hope you got a peace offering for the miss's Berny, like a box of King Edward cigars and a nice bottle of Cognac, else your be in trouble.

Score: 4

Old Ale Man
7:46am Sat 7 Jun 14

merilion wrote…

I think it will turn out that he officially couldnt go on RBL trip last minute, due to french govt paperwork. All visitors to DD70 had to submit paperwork months ago. Having seen the number of high level attendees think it was a security decision. Many vets were phased by paperwork as well as my self when I realised the deadline had gone. Well done to him abd as many other vets said they didnt need paperwork first time round.... grand chap!

Didn't need paperwork or passports back in 1944, no one there to check it out.

[quote][p][bold]merilion[/bold] wrote:
I think it will turn out that he officially couldnt go on RBL trip last minute, due to french govt paperwork. All visitors to DD70 had to submit paperwork months ago. Having seen the number of high level attendees think it was a security decision. Many vets were phased by paperwork as well as my self when I realised the deadline had gone. Well done to him abd as many other vets said they didnt need paperwork first time round.... grand chap![/p][/quote]Didn't need paperwork or passports back in 1944, no one there to check it out.Old Ale Man

merilion wrote…

I think it will turn out that he officially couldnt go on RBL trip last minute, due to french govt paperwork. All visitors to DD70 had to submit paperwork months ago. Having seen the number of high level attendees think it was a security decision. Many vets were phased by paperwork as well as my self when I realised the deadline had gone. Well done to him abd as many other vets said they didnt need paperwork first time round.... grand chap!

Didn't need paperwork or passports back in 1944, no one there to check it out.

Score: 3

Herbertfarquarson
8:42am Sat 7 Jun 14

My-views wrote…

Guernsey gull wrote…

Good for you old hero, perhaps the care home can be named and shamed.
How dare they, they perhaps wouldn't be here today, if it wasn't for heroes like him.
Well done !

ok i guess you found out now it was the Pines http://www.gracewell

.co.uk/care-homes/th

e-pines.aspx
The Pines
Furze Hill
Hove, East Sussex
BN3 1PA

Well It seems that the care home did not try to stop him going so some aspects of this story are TOTALLY UNTRUE. The only people who should be named and shamed are the ARGUS JOURNALISTS who made up LIES to desperately sell papers. SHAME ON YOU ARGUS

[quote][p][bold]My-views[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Guernsey gull[/bold] wrote:
Good for you old hero, perhaps the care home can be named and shamed.
How dare they, they perhaps wouldn't be here today, if it wasn't for heroes like him.
Well done ![/p][/quote]ok i guess you found out now it was the Pines http://www.gracewell
.co.uk/care-homes/th
e-pines.aspx
The Pines
Furze Hill
Hove, East Sussex
BN3 1PA[/p][/quote]Well It seems that the care home did not try to stop him going so some aspects of this story are TOTALLY UNTRUE. The only people who should be named and shamed are the ARGUS JOURNALISTS who made up LIES to desperately sell papers. SHAME ON YOU ARGUSHerbertfarquarson

My-views wrote…

Guernsey gull wrote…

Good for you old hero, perhaps the care home can be named and shamed.
How dare they, they perhaps wouldn't be here today, if it wasn't for heroes like him.
Well done !

ok i guess you found out now it was the Pines http://www.gracewell

.co.uk/care-homes/th

e-pines.aspx
The Pines
Furze Hill
Hove, East Sussex
BN3 1PA

Well It seems that the care home did not try to stop him going so some aspects of this story are TOTALLY UNTRUE. The only people who should be named and shamed are the ARGUS JOURNALISTS who made up LIES to desperately sell papers. SHAME ON YOU ARGUS

Score: 1

qm
9:15am Sat 7 Jun 14

The only downside to this remarkable story of determination is the earwigging Bernard will get from Mrs.Jordan! Be afraid Bernard! :))

The only downside to this remarkable story of determination is the earwigging Bernard will get from Mrs.Jordan! Be afraid Bernard! :))qm

The only downside to this remarkable story of determination is the earwigging Bernard will get from Mrs.Jordan! Be afraid Bernard! :))

Score: 3

Goldenwight
9:16am Sat 7 Jun 14

Man of steel wrote…

Goldenwight wrote…

badger55114 wrote…

Good for you! Let's name this care home who think they can stop a war veteran honouring his colleagues!

Nowhere in this story does it say that the Care Home stopped him doing anything (other than in the headline which is rather vague). The order could have come from Social Services, his family, his Doctor, even the Veterans' Association themselves. Personally, I think we should name and shame those who make completely inappropriate comments based on their assumptions about stories

Goldenwright, not quite sure which story you read, but it is plainly stated by the Police Commander for the City of Brighton & Hove that ":89yr old veteran reported missing by care home{bold} who said he can't go{/bold} to Normandy for #DDay70 remembrance"

Man of Stella, not sure how much of my original post you actually bothered to read, but clearly not much since you didn't get to the pertinent point 3 lines in...

You might like to read Andy R's comment from a BBC report- but then again, you probably wouldn't because you would hate to be shown up as being wrong, wouldn't you!

Yep, Andy R- it looks like you and me against the mob whose knuckles drag on the ground here.

I re-iterate- there is nothing in the story, and no facts in the background either, which support any suggestion that the Care Home made a decision that this man could not go to Normandy. That would be unlawful in any event- and I don't see any comment from the Police Commissioner stating that he is investigating that, do you?

[quote][p][bold]Man of steel[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Goldenwight[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]badger55114[/bold] wrote: Good for you! Let's name this care home who think they can stop a war veteran honouring his colleagues![/p][/quote]Nowhere in this story does it say that the Care Home stopped him doing anything (other than in the headline which is rather vague). The order could have come from Social Services, his family, his Doctor, even the Veterans' Association themselves. Personally, I think we should name and shame those who make completely inappropriate comments based on their assumptions about stories[/p][/quote]Goldenwright, not quite sure which story you read, but it is plainly stated by the Police Commander for the City of Brighton & Hove that ":89yr old veteran reported missing by care home{bold} who said he can't go{/bold} to Normandy for #DDay70 remembrance"[/p][/quote]Man of Stella, not sure how much of my original post you actually bothered to read, but clearly not much since you didn't get to the pertinent point 3 lines in...
You might like to read Andy R's comment from a BBC report- but then again, you probably wouldn't because you would hate to be shown up as being wrong, wouldn't you!
Yep, Andy R- it looks like you and me against the mob whose knuckles drag on the ground here.
I re-iterate- there is nothing in the story, and no facts in the background either, which support any suggestion that the Care Home made a decision that this man could not go to Normandy. That would be unlawful in any event- and I don't see any comment from the Police Commissioner stating that he is investigating that, do you?Goldenwight

Man of steel wrote…

Goldenwight wrote…

badger55114 wrote…

Good for you! Let's name this care home who think they can stop a war veteran honouring his colleagues!

Nowhere in this story does it say that the Care Home stopped him doing anything (other than in the headline which is rather vague). The order could have come from Social Services, his family, his Doctor, even the Veterans' Association themselves. Personally, I think we should name and shame those who make completely inappropriate comments based on their assumptions about stories

Goldenwright, not quite sure which story you read, but it is plainly stated by the Police Commander for the City of Brighton & Hove that ":89yr old veteran reported missing by care home{bold} who said he can't go{/bold} to Normandy for #DDay70 remembrance"

Man of Stella, not sure how much of my original post you actually bothered to read, but clearly not much since you didn't get to the pertinent point 3 lines in...

You might like to read Andy R's comment from a BBC report- but then again, you probably wouldn't because you would hate to be shown up as being wrong, wouldn't you!

Yep, Andy R- it looks like you and me against the mob whose knuckles drag on the ground here.

I re-iterate- there is nothing in the story, and no facts in the background either, which support any suggestion that the Care Home made a decision that this man could not go to Normandy. That would be unlawful in any event- and I don't see any comment from the Police Commissioner stating that he is investigating that, do you?

Score: 2

ZeeGee, ffs
11:01am Sat 7 Jun 14

I think that a great deal of blame for the 'confusion' about this story can be laid once again at the feet of the editorial staff at The Yarg-us.

Later reports may indeed suggest that the home tried to get him a place 'at the last minute', but Bernard will have been looking forward to this event for at least a year and possibly a decade.

I cannot understand why the home allegedly tried so late in the day to get him on a trip. In all the "we never told him he couldn't go" and "we tried to get him there" comments from the home (made since the fuss arose) is there any explanation as to why the home didn't attempt to make arrangements for him with the Legion months ago when the trips were being organised.

Further, from where did The Yarg-us learn of this story? Bernard clearly wasn't the source, as he was off in France deliberately incommunicado.

So, either the headline writer or the representative from the home is lying.

I think that a great deal of blame for the 'confusion' about this story can be laid once again at the feet of the editorial staff at The Yarg-us.
The headline reads:
"War veteran Bernard Jordan defies care home orders in Hove to make D-Day trip"
Later reports may indeed suggest that the home tried to get him a place 'at the last minute', but Bernard will have been looking forward to this event for at least a year and possibly a decade.
I cannot understand why the home allegedly tried so late in the day to get him on a trip. In all the "we never told him he couldn't go" and "we tried to get him there" comments from the home (made since the fuss arose) is there any explanation as to why the home didn't attempt to make arrangements for him with the Legion months ago when the trips were being organised.
Further, from where did The Yarg-us learn of this story? Bernard clearly wasn't the source, as he was off in France deliberately incommunicado.
So, either the headline writer or the representative from the home is lying.ZeeGee, ffs

I think that a great deal of blame for the 'confusion' about this story can be laid once again at the feet of the editorial staff at The Yarg-us.

Later reports may indeed suggest that the home tried to get him a place 'at the last minute', but Bernard will have been looking forward to this event for at least a year and possibly a decade.

I cannot understand why the home allegedly tried so late in the day to get him on a trip. In all the "we never told him he couldn't go" and "we tried to get him there" comments from the home (made since the fuss arose) is there any explanation as to why the home didn't attempt to make arrangements for him with the Legion months ago when the trips were being organised.

Further, from where did The Yarg-us learn of this story? Bernard clearly wasn't the source, as he was off in France deliberately incommunicado.

So, either the headline writer or the representative from the home is lying.

Score: 0

ZeeGee, ffs
12:24pm Sat 7 Jun 14

Goldenwight wrote:

"I re-iterate- there is nothing in the story, and no facts in the background either, which support any suggestion that the Care Home made a decision that this man could not go to Normandy. "

If that is the case, why was Bernard expecting to 'face the music' upon his return?

Goldenwight wrote:
"I re-iterate- there is nothing in the story, and no facts in the background either, which support any suggestion that the Care Home made a decision that this man could not go to Normandy. "
If that is the case, why was Bernard expecting to 'face the music' upon his return?
http://www.theargus.
co.uk/news/11263579.
Great_escape_war_vet
eran_Bernard_arrives
_home/ZeeGee, ffs

Goldenwight wrote:

"I re-iterate- there is nothing in the story, and no facts in the background either, which support any suggestion that the Care Home made a decision that this man could not go to Normandy. "

If that is the case, why was Bernard expecting to 'face the music' upon his return?

I think that a great deal of blame for the 'confusion' about this story can be laid once again at the feet of the editorial staff at The Yarg-us. The headline reads: "War veteran Bernard Jordan defies care home orders in Hove to make D-Day trip" Later reports may indeed suggest that the home tried to get him a place 'at the last minute', but Bernard will have been looking forward to this event for at least a year and possibly a decade. I cannot understand why the home allegedly tried so late in the day to get him on a trip. In all the "we never told him he couldn't go" and "we tried to get him there" comments from the home (made since the fuss arose) is there any explanation as to why the home didn't attempt to make arrangements for him with the Legion months ago when the trips were being organised. Further, from where did The Yarg-us learn of this story? Bernard clearly wasn't the source, as he was off in France deliberately incommunicado. So, either the headline writer or the representative from the home is lying.

I think that the blame can be laid entirely at the feet of the morons who posted ridiculous comments without even reading the story. Worse, some of them even went so far as to comment negatively on the few of us who had and tried to correct the situation. In short, there is no point in the guilty parties trying to back-pedal now because we know who you are.

Name and shame, Argus- you have all of our email addresses- albeit that a few of these seem to have been made up especially for the occassion. Perhaps UKIP supporters?

[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote:
I think that a great deal of blame for the 'confusion' about this story can be laid once again at the feet of the editorial staff at The Yarg-us. The headline reads: "War veteran Bernard Jordan defies care home orders in Hove to make D-Day trip" Later reports may indeed suggest that the home tried to get him a place 'at the last minute', but Bernard will have been looking forward to this event for at least a year and possibly a decade. I cannot understand why the home allegedly tried so late in the day to get him on a trip. In all the "we never told him he couldn't go" and "we tried to get him there" comments from the home (made since the fuss arose) is there any explanation as to why the home didn't attempt to make arrangements for him with the Legion months ago when the trips were being organised. Further, from where did The Yarg-us learn of this story? Bernard clearly wasn't the source, as he was off in France deliberately incommunicado. So, either the headline writer or the representative from the home is lying.[/p][/quote]I think that the blame can be laid entirely at the feet of the morons who posted ridiculous comments without even reading the story. Worse, some of them even went so far as to comment negatively on the few of us who had and tried to correct the situation. In short, there is no point in the guilty parties trying to back-pedal now because we know who you are.
Name and shame, Argus- you have all of our email addresses- albeit that a few of these seem to have been made up especially for the occassion. Perhaps UKIP supporters?Goldenwight

ZeeGee, ffs wrote…

I think that a great deal of blame for the 'confusion' about this story can be laid once again at the feet of the editorial staff at The Yarg-us. The headline reads: "War veteran Bernard Jordan defies care home orders in Hove to make D-Day trip" Later reports may indeed suggest that the home tried to get him a place 'at the last minute', but Bernard will have been looking forward to this event for at least a year and possibly a decade. I cannot understand why the home allegedly tried so late in the day to get him on a trip. In all the "we never told him he couldn't go" and "we tried to get him there" comments from the home (made since the fuss arose) is there any explanation as to why the home didn't attempt to make arrangements for him with the Legion months ago when the trips were being organised. Further, from where did The Yarg-us learn of this story? Bernard clearly wasn't the source, as he was off in France deliberately incommunicado. So, either the headline writer or the representative from the home is lying.

I think that the blame can be laid entirely at the feet of the morons who posted ridiculous comments without even reading the story. Worse, some of them even went so far as to comment negatively on the few of us who had and tried to correct the situation. In short, there is no point in the guilty parties trying to back-pedal now because we know who you are.

Name and shame, Argus- you have all of our email addresses- albeit that a few of these seem to have been made up especially for the occassion. Perhaps UKIP supporters?

Score: -2

tinker111
5:00pm Sat 7 Jun 14

Morpheus wrote…

Who is he? A hero.

Yes a true British man and above all an EX HOVE MAYOR in the days when HOVE WAS TO BE RECONNNED with YES IN THE DAYS OF MAYOR'S SEC JOHN BARTER another hero .
JB Do hope the good lady forgives you ,nursing don't try &and the world loves you JB

[quote][p][bold]Morpheus[/bold] wrote:
Who is he? A hero.[/p][/quote]Yes a true British man and above all an EX HOVE MAYOR in the days when HOVE WAS TO BE RECONNNED with YES IN THE DAYS OF MAYOR'S SEC JOHN BARTER another hero .
JB Do hope the good lady forgives you ,nursing don't try &and the world loves you JBtinker111

Morpheus wrote…

Who is he? A hero.

Yes a true British man and above all an EX HOVE MAYOR in the days when HOVE WAS TO BE RECONNNED with YES IN THE DAYS OF MAYOR'S SEC JOHN BARTER another hero .
JB Do hope the good lady forgives you ,nursing don't try &and the world loves you JB

Score: 0

ZeeGee, ffs
6:07pm Sat 7 Jun 14

Goldenwight wrote:

"I think that the blame can be laid entirely at the feet of the morons who posted ridiculous comments without even reading the story. Worse, some of them even went so far as to comment negatively on the few of us who had and tried to correct the situation. "

Oh dear.

The confusion in question related what The Yarg-us had written about this story, with particular attention to its headlines saying that he had been told he couldn't go and the 'great escape' he'd managed.

What did you 'correct'? Here's what you wrote:

"I re-iterate- there is nothing in the story, and no facts in the background either, which support any suggestion that the Care Home made a decision that this man could not go to Normandy. "

You avoided 'correcting' the fact that Bernard told the media that he was worried about the trouble he was facing when he got back to the home. If he hadn't been told that he wasn't to go to France, why was he worried about returning? And if he were free to come and go as he pleased (as the home alleges), why didn't he announce his intentions to everyone at the home so that they could wish him well on his journey?

You also wrote:

"Nowhere in this story does it say that the Care Home stopped him doing anything (other than in the headline which is rather vague). The order could have come from Social Services, his family, his Doctor, even the Veterans' Association themselves."

So the Veterans Association are in the business of telling veterans that they cannot attend such events?

Face it, you're virtually completely wrong on every aspect of this story.

Goldenwight wrote:
"I think that the blame can be laid entirely at the feet of the morons who posted ridiculous comments without even reading the story. Worse, some of them even went so far as to comment negatively on the few of us who had and tried to correct the situation. "
Oh dear.
The confusion in question related what The Yarg-us had written about this story, with particular attention to its headlines saying that he had been told he couldn't go and the 'great escape' he'd managed.
What did you 'correct'? Here's what you wrote:
"I re-iterate- there is nothing in the story, and no facts in the background either, which support any suggestion that the Care Home made a decision that this man could not go to Normandy. "
You avoided 'correcting' the fact that Bernard told the media that he was worried about the trouble he was facing when he got back to the home. If he hadn't been told that he wasn't to go to France, why was he worried about returning? And if he were free to come and go as he pleased (as the home alleges), why didn't he announce his intentions to everyone at the home so that they could wish him well on his journey?
You also wrote:
"Nowhere in this story does it say that the Care Home stopped him doing anything (other than in the headline which is rather vague). The order could have come from Social Services, his family, his Doctor, even the Veterans' Association themselves."
So the Veterans Association are in the business of telling veterans that they cannot attend such events?
Face it, you're virtually completely wrong on every aspect of this story.ZeeGee, ffs

Goldenwight wrote:

"I think that the blame can be laid entirely at the feet of the morons who posted ridiculous comments without even reading the story. Worse, some of them even went so far as to comment negatively on the few of us who had and tried to correct the situation. "

Oh dear.

The confusion in question related what The Yarg-us had written about this story, with particular attention to its headlines saying that he had been told he couldn't go and the 'great escape' he'd managed.

What did you 'correct'? Here's what you wrote:

"I re-iterate- there is nothing in the story, and no facts in the background either, which support any suggestion that the Care Home made a decision that this man could not go to Normandy. "

You avoided 'correcting' the fact that Bernard told the media that he was worried about the trouble he was facing when he got back to the home. If he hadn't been told that he wasn't to go to France, why was he worried about returning? And if he were free to come and go as he pleased (as the home alleges), why didn't he announce his intentions to everyone at the home so that they could wish him well on his journey?

You also wrote:

"Nowhere in this story does it say that the Care Home stopped him doing anything (other than in the headline which is rather vague). The order could have come from Social Services, his family, his Doctor, even the Veterans' Association themselves."

So the Veterans Association are in the business of telling veterans that they cannot attend such events?

Face it, you're virtually completely wrong on every aspect of this story.

Score: 1

Andy R
10:37pm Sat 7 Jun 14

ZeeGee, ffs wrote…

Goldenwight wrote:

"I think that the blame can be laid entirely at the feet of the morons who posted ridiculous comments without even reading the story. Worse, some of them even went so far as to comment negatively on the few of us who had and tried to correct the situation. "

Oh dear.

The confusion in question related what The Yarg-us had written about this story, with particular attention to its headlines saying that he had been told he couldn't go and the 'great escape' he'd managed.

What did you 'correct'? Here's what you wrote:

"I re-iterate- there is nothing in the story, and no facts in the background either, which support any suggestion that the Care Home made a decision that this man could not go to Normandy. "

You avoided 'correcting' the fact that Bernard told the media that he was worried about the trouble he was facing when he got back to the home. If he hadn't been told that he wasn't to go to France, why was he worried about returning? And if he were free to come and go as he pleased (as the home alleges), why didn't he announce his intentions to everyone at the home so that they could wish him well on his journey?

You also wrote:

"Nowhere in this story does it say that the Care Home stopped him doing anything (other than in the headline which is rather vague). The order could have come from Social Services, his family, his Doctor, even the Veterans' Association themselves."

So the Veterans Association are in the business of telling veterans that they cannot attend such events?

Face it, you're virtually completely wrong on every aspect of this story.

You've seriously lost it. You appear to think that a private care home can imprison a person against his will. Presumably you'll have reported The Pines to the police? Kidnapping is a serious matter after all. The manager of the care home has said that Bernard is free to come and go as he pleases. Bernard has said that no-one had banned him from travelling. But none of this is good enough for you.

[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote:
Goldenwight wrote:
"I think that the blame can be laid entirely at the feet of the morons who posted ridiculous comments without even reading the story. Worse, some of them even went so far as to comment negatively on the few of us who had and tried to correct the situation. "
Oh dear.
The confusion in question related what The Yarg-us had written about this story, with particular attention to its headlines saying that he had been told he couldn't go and the 'great escape' he'd managed.
What did you 'correct'? Here's what you wrote:
"I re-iterate- there is nothing in the story, and no facts in the background either, which support any suggestion that the Care Home made a decision that this man could not go to Normandy. "
You avoided 'correcting' the fact that Bernard told the media that he was worried about the trouble he was facing when he got back to the home. If he hadn't been told that he wasn't to go to France, why was he worried about returning? And if he were free to come and go as he pleased (as the home alleges), why didn't he announce his intentions to everyone at the home so that they could wish him well on his journey?
You also wrote:
"Nowhere in this story does it say that the Care Home stopped him doing anything (other than in the headline which is rather vague). The order could have come from Social Services, his family, his Doctor, even the Veterans' Association themselves."
So the Veterans Association are in the business of telling veterans that they cannot attend such events?
Face it, you're virtually completely wrong on every aspect of this story.[/p][/quote]You've seriously lost it. You appear to think that a private care home can imprison a person against his will. Presumably you'll have reported The Pines to the police? Kidnapping is a serious matter after all. The manager of the care home has said that Bernard is free to come and go as he pleases. Bernard has said that no-one had banned him from travelling. But none of this is good enough for you.Andy R

ZeeGee, ffs wrote…

Goldenwight wrote:

"I think that the blame can be laid entirely at the feet of the morons who posted ridiculous comments without even reading the story. Worse, some of them even went so far as to comment negatively on the few of us who had and tried to correct the situation. "

Oh dear.

The confusion in question related what The Yarg-us had written about this story, with particular attention to its headlines saying that he had been told he couldn't go and the 'great escape' he'd managed.

What did you 'correct'? Here's what you wrote:

"I re-iterate- there is nothing in the story, and no facts in the background either, which support any suggestion that the Care Home made a decision that this man could not go to Normandy. "

You avoided 'correcting' the fact that Bernard told the media that he was worried about the trouble he was facing when he got back to the home. If he hadn't been told that he wasn't to go to France, why was he worried about returning? And if he were free to come and go as he pleased (as the home alleges), why didn't he announce his intentions to everyone at the home so that they could wish him well on his journey?

You also wrote:

"Nowhere in this story does it say that the Care Home stopped him doing anything (other than in the headline which is rather vague). The order could have come from Social Services, his family, his Doctor, even the Veterans' Association themselves."

So the Veterans Association are in the business of telling veterans that they cannot attend such events?

Face it, you're virtually completely wrong on every aspect of this story.

You've seriously lost it. You appear to think that a private care home can imprison a person against his will. Presumably you'll have reported The Pines to the police? Kidnapping is a serious matter after all. The manager of the care home has said that Bernard is free to come and go as he pleases. Bernard has said that no-one had banned him from travelling. But none of this is good enough for you.

Score: -1

ZeeGee, ffs
7:29pm Sun 8 Jun 14

"You appear to think that a private care home can imprison a person against his will. Presumably you'll have reported The Pines to the police? Kidnapping is a serious matter after all. The manager of the care home has said that Bernard is free to come and go as he pleases. Bernard has said that no-one had banned him from travelling. "

Who said anything about kidnapping??

Don't invent things that no-one has mentioned.

The fact remains that Bernard didn't feel able to inform The PInes of his intentions, and it's also apparent that he only told his wife that he was heading to Portsmouth for the D-Day celebrations there.

His comments about how hard the home had tried to get him on a trip were made in his written statement upon his return. If that were the case, and if he were free to come and go and he pleased, why the need to sneak out of the home, telling no-one of his real intentions?

The statement claimed that the reason he wasn't able to get on a trip to the official celebrations was due to his lack of security clearance. Quite what that entailed wasn't made clear, especially as thousands of people crossed the Channel that week without a scrap of any clearance. And if that were the case, why was the home allegedly trying to get him on a Royal British Legion trip to the area days before the celebrations? Again, I call BS on that.

The MoS has tracked down the Orrell family who befriended him on the ferry to France. It was Mrs Orrell who rang The Pines on Thursday to say where he was going and that he was perfectly safe. Quite why the home didn't ask her to pass on their good wishes etc wasn't made clear, but what is clear is that for the rest of his journey, Bernard clearly thought he was in trouble. The police search was called off immediately.

"The manager of the care home has said that Bernard is free to come and go as he pleases."

So why the need to alert the police? If Mrs Jordan had been asked for his whereabouts, and warned that if he were indeed missing then the police would have to be informed, she would have told them he had headed for Portsmouth. And if Bernard were free to come and go, why were the police involved at all? He wasn't under the care of the home, as has been repeatedly pointed out. His whereabouts were none of their concern.

I don't expect you to address any of my points, because you can't.

"You appear to think that a private care home can imprison a person against his will. Presumably you'll have reported The Pines to the police? Kidnapping is a serious matter after all. The manager of the care home has said that Bernard is free to come and go as he pleases. Bernard has said that no-one had banned him from travelling. "
Who said anything about kidnapping??
Don't invent things that no-one has mentioned.
The fact remains that Bernard didn't feel able to inform The PInes of his intentions, and it's also apparent that he only told his wife that he was heading to Portsmouth for the D-Day celebrations there.
His comments about how hard the home had tried to get him on a trip were made in his written statement upon his return. If that were the case, and if he were free to come and go and he pleased, why the need to sneak out of the home, telling no-one of his real intentions?
The statement claimed that the reason he wasn't able to get on a trip to the official celebrations was due to his lack of security clearance. Quite what that entailed wasn't made clear, especially as thousands of people crossed the Channel that week without a scrap of any clearance. And if that were the case, why was the home allegedly trying to get him on a Royal British Legion trip to the area days before the celebrations? Again, I call BS on that.
The MoS has tracked down the Orrell family who befriended him on the ferry to France. It was Mrs Orrell who rang The Pines on Thursday to say where he was going and that he was perfectly safe. Quite why the home didn't ask her to pass on their good wishes etc wasn't made clear, but what is clear is that for the rest of his journey, Bernard clearly thought he was in trouble. The police search was called off immediately.
"The manager of the care home has said that Bernard is free to come and go as he pleases."
So why the need to alert the police? If Mrs Jordan had been asked for his whereabouts, and warned that if he were indeed missing then the police would have to be informed, she would have told them he had headed for Portsmouth. And if Bernard were free to come and go, why were the police involved at all? He wasn't under the care of the home, as has been repeatedly pointed out. His whereabouts were none of their concern.
I don't expect you to address any of my points, because you can't.ZeeGee, ffs

"You appear to think that a private care home can imprison a person against his will. Presumably you'll have reported The Pines to the police? Kidnapping is a serious matter after all. The manager of the care home has said that Bernard is free to come and go as he pleases. Bernard has said that no-one had banned him from travelling. "

Who said anything about kidnapping??

Don't invent things that no-one has mentioned.

The fact remains that Bernard didn't feel able to inform The PInes of his intentions, and it's also apparent that he only told his wife that he was heading to Portsmouth for the D-Day celebrations there.

His comments about how hard the home had tried to get him on a trip were made in his written statement upon his return. If that were the case, and if he were free to come and go and he pleased, why the need to sneak out of the home, telling no-one of his real intentions?

The statement claimed that the reason he wasn't able to get on a trip to the official celebrations was due to his lack of security clearance. Quite what that entailed wasn't made clear, especially as thousands of people crossed the Channel that week without a scrap of any clearance. And if that were the case, why was the home allegedly trying to get him on a Royal British Legion trip to the area days before the celebrations? Again, I call BS on that.

The MoS has tracked down the Orrell family who befriended him on the ferry to France. It was Mrs Orrell who rang The Pines on Thursday to say where he was going and that he was perfectly safe. Quite why the home didn't ask her to pass on their good wishes etc wasn't made clear, but what is clear is that for the rest of his journey, Bernard clearly thought he was in trouble. The police search was called off immediately.

"The manager of the care home has said that Bernard is free to come and go as he pleases."

So why the need to alert the police? If Mrs Jordan had been asked for his whereabouts, and warned that if he were indeed missing then the police would have to be informed, she would have told them he had headed for Portsmouth. And if Bernard were free to come and go, why were the police involved at all? He wasn't under the care of the home, as has been repeatedly pointed out. His whereabouts were none of their concern.

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