Well the perhaps Medivh was WRONG, and the world, this world, still needs Guardians, and always will. Perhaps it is time for the council of Tirisfal to be re-created and perhaps it was a wrong move for the Aspects to give away their immortality.

No, Medivh was right. We, the players, are the guardians and stewards of Azeroth now. We are the ones who have been on the front lines since WoW began.

Arthas was not defeated by Azeroth's heroes, it was defeated by the Ashbeinger, a Naaru within a blade. Azeroth's heroes were on the verge of becoming the Lich King's most powerful lieutenants.

If you recall, Tirion was a popsicle for most of that fight. The only thing he and the Ashbringer did was to destroy Frostmourne. We, the players, held Arthas off for most of that fight, and we were the ones to land the killing blow.

Deathwing was not defeated by Azeroth's heroes, it was defeated by the ultimate powers of the Aspects.

Without us, Thrall never would have gotten a clean shot. Without us, the Aspects would have been killed by Ultraxion while they worked their ritual. Without us to distract Deathwing, the Aspects and Thrall would have been destroyed by the second Cataclysm.

Yogg'Saron was defeated with the help of his four Guardians, invested with titan powers.

Without us, those four Watchers would have remained under Yogg-Saron's influence. Without us to fight him, the Watchers would have been re-enslaved during that fight.

Archimonde was defeated by the Night Elves also sacrificing their immortality.

And Malfurion would never have had the chance if the Alliance and Horde hadn't stalled the Legion's advance up the summit of Mount Hyjal.

Perhaps all this happy happy tree shit about the future resting in mortal hands is just happy happy tree shit.

Or perhaps you willfully ignore the most important details of all of those encounters in order to make your skewed point.

No, without these godly powers we as mortals would never have been able to finish the fight. We may be Gandalf's hobbits but Minas Tirith was saved by an army of undead, the Balrog was pushed back by magic and the Ring was destroyed by mortals even though it was the Ring's otherwordly powers which at times saved these mortals from failing their mission.

We are glorified vessels, nothing more. We are not capable of finishing a fight to save our lives, that is the job of gods and demigods. So let us war then.

No, without these godly powers we as mortals would never have been able to finish the fight. We may be Gandalf's hobbits but Minas Tirith was saved by an army of undead, the Balrog was pushed back by magic and the Ring was destroyed by mortals even though it was the Ring's otherwordly powers which at times saved these mortals from failing their mission.

It works both ways which seems to be the point you are ignoring. Without us, those "gods and demigods" would have lost. To use an NPC example, Thrall is a mortal, and without him, no one would have been able to wield the Dragon Soul. Tirion was also a mortal, and without him, no one could have wielded a purified Ashbringer. And now, as we square off against our own negative emotions made manifest through the Sha, Wrathion will equip us with Legendary weapons of our own.

As for your Lord of the Rings example, the final book is all about how necessary it is for Men to unite under the King in order to defeat Sauron. And, more importantly, without Frodo, the Ring would never have been destroyed. You are glorifying one side of the coin without acknowledging the importance of the other side.

No, without these godly powers we as mortals would never have been able to finish the fight. We may be Gandalf's hobbits but Minas Tirith was saved by an army of undead, the Balrog was pushed back by magic and the Ring was destroyed by mortals even though it was the Ring's otherwordly powers which at times saved these mortals from failing their mission.

We are glorified vessels, nothing more. We are not capable of finishing a fight to save our lives, that is the job of gods and demigods. So let us war then.

Neither are gods and demigods capable of finishing fights to save their lives.

op clearly hasnt actually quested through pandaria. the pandaren arent against war there against war without purpose there against hatred and violence they will fight but not for those reasons.

the horde and alliance are fighting this war over resources they want to go into pandaria and tear it to pieces that is made evident in garoshes orders. in 5.1 the alliance and horde warships will show up on the beaches of pandaria and jade forest will literally get destroyed in the battle.

varian will be give the high trials by the leader of each race of the alliance and they will name him their king. similar to the trials of Heracles. garrosh in order to try and turn the tides of war will do unspeakable things that makes even the horde turn against them.

at the end of mists varian will lead an army of alliance soldiers and horde rebels and dethrone garrosh then if things go out as wrathion keeps hinting the burning legion or some other dark force will attack us and -hopefully- illidan comes back along with turalyon and alleria and we stand united against the legion @[email protected]

"I was a normal baby for 30 seconds, then ninjas stole my mamma" - Deadpool
"so what do we do?" "well jack, you stand there and say 'gee rocket raccoon I'm so glad you brought that Unfeasibly large cannon with you..' and i go like this BRAKKA BRAKKA BRAKKA" - Rocket Raccoon

If you recall, Tirion was a popsicle for most of that fight. The only thing he and the Ashbringer did was to destroy Frostmourne. We, the players, held Arthas off for most of that fight, and we were the ones to land the killing blow.

if i remember right the fight went like this = we fight... we die... tirion resurrects us and then holds LK in place so we can hit him like pinjata

With would Illidan stand with us, he's been banished by his brother and forsaken by the people he's saved, labeled as a traitor of his race simply because he used demonic powers to defeat demons.

He's a martyr.

If anything Maiev might make a reapearance, although I never truly understood where she gets her powers from to challenge Illidan so boldly at all times. Perhaps they'll give us a Warden class with increased lore surrounding it, after all they made an appearance in Cataclysm.

With would Illidan stand with us, he's been banished by his brother and forsaken by the people he's saved, labeled as a traitor of his race simply because he used demonic powers to defeat demons.

He's a martyr.

If anything Maiev might make a reapearance, although I never truly understood where she gets her powers from to challenge Illidan so boldly at all times. Perhaps they'll give us a Warden class with increased lore surrounding it, after all they made an appearance in Cataclysm.

Although mages would cry havok to another class having Blink.

If maiev makes an appearance she will be a raid boss. (Read the wolfheart wow book and you'll see why)

---------- Post added 2012-10-06 at 06:01 PM ----------

Originally Posted by sanaubia

i don't believe in ghosts

Spirits then ? did you even actually kill the lich king in the raid or are you just guessing what happened ?

Getting kind of irritated with all the people whining about how Blizzard have supposedly 'wrecked their own story'...

1. It is their story, you don't get to decide what fits in lore, -they do-

2. There is frankly gigantic amounts of lore to support why they're in the game, how about you stop being so willfully ignorant and read up on it?

No one is demanding to decide what gets put into lore. Your strawman is typical of a blizzard fanboy, you dislike any criticism of blizzard. Just because players don't get to decide on these things doesn't change the fact that we get to have opinions, and many people will have opinions that are less than favourable to blizzard's decisions.

There is a gigantic amount of lore that was hastily written as a response to player demand after the initial appearance of pandas as a joke. There have also been demands for virtually every creature ever put in the game to appear as a playable race, yet blizzard don't humour those demands because they don't conveniently tie into an expansion that shamelessly begs for Chinese subscribers.

It's like talking to a brick wall with blizz fanboys, they can turn any old rubbish into lore and you will lap it up like some Jonestown cultist lol.

And they didn't have any lore beside they like to brew and kung-fu (not kung fu but weaponless fight, still same)

The beginning of wisdom is the statement 'I do not know.' The person who cannot make that statement is one who will never learn anything. And I have prided myself on my ability to learn
Thrallhttp://youtu.be/x3ejO7Nssj8 7:20+ "Alliance remaining super power", clearly blizz favor horde too much, that they made alliance the super power

With would Illidan stand with us, he's been banished by his brother and forsaken by the people he's saved, labeled as a traitor of his race simply because he used demonic powers to defeat demons.

He's a martyr.

If anything Maiev might make a reapearance, although I never truly understood where she gets her powers from to challenge Illidan so boldly at all times. Perhaps they'll give us a Warden class with increased lore surrounding it, after all they made an appearance in Cataclysm.

Although mages would cry havok to another class having Blink.

My favorite character in warcraft series, however I hope he stays dead, no set-backs please

The beginning of wisdom is the statement 'I do not know.' The person who cannot make that statement is one who will never learn anything. And I have prided myself on my ability to learn
Thrallhttp://youtu.be/x3ejO7Nssj8 7:20+ "Alliance remaining super power", clearly blizz favor horde too much, that they made alliance the super power

And they didn't have any lore beside they like to brew and kung-fu (not kung fu but weaponless fight, still same)

At a certain point the only lore behind orcs was that they were brutish beasts, came from a different world and where there to conquer Azeroth by killing off the original inhabitants. You can always expand on those ideas later.