Maybe They Are Wrong?

Have you ever stopped to ponder that maybe all the “modern day” relationship advice might be all wrong?

Conventional wisdom tells women to put off marriage and family until she finishes her education, establishes her career. Be a strong independent woman!

Likewise young men are told to be gentle, sensitive, supplicating. Be “nice” they are told. Don’t “play the field.” Stop acting “like a brutish man.”

What if it’s all projection? What if what women really want are strong independent men who know about the ways of women, and what men really want are gentle and nice women who want to get married young?

Wouldn’t that be ironic? That men are acting like they wish women would and women are acting like they wish men would?

What do you think, could it be? Could we have it backwards? Or is the modern way better?

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16 thoughts on “Maybe They Are Wrong?”

Redpillgirlnotes,
There is a huge amount of truly terrible advice out there. A lot of it is immediately counterproductive, to the point where it will backfire right in your face.
Women should put off marriage until they’re no longer reproductively viable?
For men, when supplication won’t work, double down?
What gets to me is that those who are doing this should have your best interests at heart.

This is not directly on this subject but along those lines: Yesterday I answered the door to an ADT security salesman and I told him that if we were to get it, it’d be up to my husband (I hate solicitors anyway) and he had the nerve to say “this is 2000-whatever, you can have your own opinion” What an idiot. I told him I know that but the decision on the security stuff is not my deal. And sent him away. I know I can have my own opinions and if I really wanted to decide, the option to put my 2-cents in would be available. But I choose not to, why can’t I just let my husband decide on household decisions. I don’t feel any less that I didn’t put my 50/50 decision on home security.
And for your post, I don’t think we need to prove anything. Take a little from the past and a little from the modern and do what’s right for you . 🙂

I think we do the old fashioned way and then lament about how much better things might have been the other way, knowing all the while that a woman pregnant with my kid is pretty damn sexy, and staying home to raise them is an awesome career. Nothing wrong with getting what you like and we shouldn’t deny any alternate paths but if a woman wants the society definition of a man then a man needs to get to work and bring home that bacon. I lost myself in that one… I like women and I’m a dude. Yeah that’s all I was goin for there. It’s late…

“Yesterday I answered the door to an ADT security salesman and I told him that if we were to get it, it’d be up to my husband (I hate solicitors anyway) and he had the nerve to say “this is 2000-whatever, you can have your own opinion”

“I have to ask my husband” is my go-to sales pitch blowoff statement (seriously).
No one has ever responded that way to me though.
Maybe it’s the green scales, tail, and horns coming out of my head? 😛

One more thing….sometimes these aren’t real salespeople but scam artists. Security services are a big one (sometimes they claim to be working for ADT too, and they have the uniform and hats), so be careful. It’s best not to even open the door to those people. One of these guys came to my door in New Mexico. I sent him on his way…the whole thing seemed strange. Learned later it was a scam.

“BOCA RATON, Fla.–(BUSINESS WIRE)–May 27, 2014– Alarmed by an increasing number of consumer complaints about deceptive home security sales tactics, industry leader ADT (NYSE:ADT) has announced it will award up to $25,000 for proof of a company training its sales teams to be deceitful. The evidence must result in the successful prosecution of the offending company.

“ADT’s trusted brand is being exploited by swindlers and scammers who mislead unsuspecting consumers,” said David Bleisch, ADT General Counsel. “Victims end up having their ADT security systems unnecessarily replaced and are duped into signing new contracts with another provider.”

The fraud begins at the front door when customers are told false statements ranging from “ADT has gone out of business” to “I am here to upgrade your equipment.” Sometimes the scammers claim they are affiliated with alarm panel manufacturers. Before the customer realizes they’ve been cheated, a new security system has been installed and they’ve been conned into switching service to the company committing the fraud.”

“What if what women really want are strong independent men who know about the ways of women,”

This! This just might be why so many men not only lost their desire to marry, but in fact have lost their desire to even gambit a relationship with a woman. Coupled with the albeit sinful alternative of porn, men have even less motivation to walk that plank.

Definitely lots of bad advice out there. I think the person who will win the Noble Prize for dispensing failproof relationship advice should have an early-starter program for children. Not sure if the discovery will be in the field of Chemistry (tingles-approach), Physics (gravity/age-based), Economics ($$), or Peace (can’t we all just get along?).

Where exactly does that fabled feminist advice to be an independent woman come from anyway? Cosmopolitan magazine (whose most recent cover literally reads “Sex! Sex! Sex!” if you’ve seen it)???

Because I was never brainwashed. I’ve always thought men should be strong and women should be gentle “damsels in distress”. I like old-fashioned chivalry.

But it’s going too far to say men should be “brutish”. That’s horrible. There’s a difference between a male hero and a male villain, just as there’s a difference between a woman who is passive and a woman who is completely submissive and violently abused by her tough-guy a-hole boyfriend who doesn’t care about her. We don’t need to go to extremes.

Does a guy playing the field imply sexual promiscuity? Because that’s irresponsible. It would cause too many pregnancies without birth control (which is unnatural).

But, yeah, the part about a woman having a career doesn’t make too much sense unless it helps feed her family (which assumes she has time to work and take care of the kids at the same time). I do think a woman should be intelligent so that she can talk to her husband and teach her children (home schooling), but the idea of a woman being completely independent is as unnatural as birth control.

I like the idea of marrying young (like 14-years-old). It would discourage promiscuity, maybe give a healthy outlet to all those sexual urges teenagers have. Christian family values solved this problem a long time ago.

… not that I would mind having two girlfriends/wives at once, as long as the girls didn’t mind. That’s the main problem I see with polygamy, the potential for jealousy. (I mean, I don’t want to be selfish.)

Of course, there’s also the problem of financially supporting twice as many children. A polygamous man better have a good job and lots of money.

I just saw part of a documentary on the History channel that said Adolf Hitler was using polygamy to breed his master white race as quickly as possible (with all the fatherless children produced becoming property of the state). It reminded me of both the sexual promiscuity and racism I see in the “manosphere”.

I wonder if this is all leading to a fascist government led by an Antichrist.

I hope not Matthew. A similar program in Romania ended up with lots of “children of the state.” Unfortunately most were so deprived of human contact, they were unable to bond at adoption. Many were just turned loose on the streets to fend for themselves. Children of the state is not a good plan, not a good plan at all…