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Crazy episode about Natsume backstory. Would be as harsh as Kazy-kun but certainly tension dropped a few levels compared to last week. In part because I too don't care that much about Masako and the whole Natsume family and because in the end her story isn't that interesting ^^'

Spoiler for Episode 16 The man who doesn't die:

So Masako's father left because he was in bad term with his father, who considered him a looser and wanted Mario to succeed him. But Masako wanted to get her father back and dreamed ever night to kill her grandfather. Who stupidly killed himself with some fugu.
Until that point, the only odd thing in my opinion is Kanba visiting her at night. I suspect his parents are dead already so nobody cares if he goes wandering at night like this... Tho since he is wearing the Kiga logo, I guess he is already working for them.

But then, fast forward to present time and things get more complicated:
-Was Masako imagining things when Mario says being her grandfather himself? What is that Natsume curse she talks about?
-Her father dealt with those men in black from Kiga group and... died?
-Kanba was chosen to be part of that group/organization (says Sanetoshi)
-But the world is... wrong? (damn, how is that even possible?)
-Masako believed Sanetoshi was helping her to save Mario because he was just an innocent kid
-He helped her because she was chosen (by him) and only if she acted in concert with him
-Sanetoshi'w goal : get the world back (for himself)
-Masako : "I won't ride that train" ie, she won't follow Sanetoshi's plan. Rebellion started! Kanba+Masako vs Sanetoshi should be interesting to watch~

What I get from it :
Sanetoshi was the one giving Mario the apple (like Himari) and also the hat, with possibly Sahei's soul inside. He also gave her Masako weapon. Sanetoshi is the boss of Kiga group. Kanba is working for him without (possibly) knowing it.

Panding question:
What is Natsume's curse?
What is that link Kanba talks about between Masako and him? Why should they be both cursed? They didn't kill her grandfather after all. So why would they be cursed? o_O For wishing it?
Sanetoshi want the World back? He seems to imply it was taken from him... I really don't get who that guys is supposed to be anymore.

But if the second part of the episode was a bit of a let down, the PoC scene this week completely cracked me up

Spoiler for Pervy of the Crystal:

I confess I kept praying during the whole scene to see the next henshin stage!

Natsume centered episode and some. Penguin Drum... I gave up on trying to read what will happen next. It's just crazy and crazy every episode. Last episode a father that take advantage of his daughter.

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Now a father that run away orders his daughter to kill his father and until his father is dead he won't comeback. It's funny Masako attempts all those silly murder plot in her dream. And her grandfather is one hell of a guy. Too muscular for his age and his assistant that speaks english all the time is one funny guy. Interesting story and revelation about the organization. We are also shown on the side of Masako when she enters the train. And it's all black. Masako's father was the same as Kanba too. A member or chosen people to change the world. I'm really interest on that organization. But as Kanba goes closer and closer to that side. His been getting farther and farther away from Himari. They even show Ringo and Shouma and now Ringo is Shouma's stalker nice upgrade for Ringo.

Back story of Masako's childhood and the faith full meeting or destiny meeting of those 2.
It's really nice. The scene of those two.

They even show Ringo and Shouma and now Ringo is Shouma's stalker nice upgrade for Ringo.

That was sad to hear. She could have phrased it in a thousand different ways but she had to go with "stalker"? Oh, c'mon... Also him didn't change his position one inch after last week events. I'd like it if they didn't drag until the end of the serie :/.

That was sad to hear. She could have phrased it in a thousand different ways but she had to go with "stalker"?

Well, Ikuhara is subverting the typical negative connotations of these term here.

When Ringo was stalking Tabuki, she never used that term to describe herself, but others called her that way and it was symbolic of her unhealthy obsession. Now, no one would call her that way, but she herself use that term to indicate her resolve of no giving up on Shouma. It's not that she's obsessed, but she needs to make Shouma understand that she isn't like those people who abandoned him and his family because of their past.

The positive message comes across pretty strongly because she's using that term.

The positive message comes across pretty strongly because she's using that term.

For you maybe. The problem is that Shouma isn't even close to understand how Ringo feels about him. If she could just spill the beans and those two relation move, that would be a good thing. Using metaphors isn't going to help and this anime has, in my opinion, much more interesting fields to cover than Shou and Ringo teen romance.

Well, Ikuhara is subverting the typical negative connotations of these term here.

When Ringo was stalking Tabuki, she never used that term to describe herself, but others called her that way and it was symbolic of her unhealthy obsession. Now, no one would call her that way, but she herself use that term to indicate her resolve of no giving up on Shouma. It's not that she's obsessed, but she needs to make Shouma understand that she isn't like those people who abandoned him and his family because of their past.

The positive message comes across pretty strongly because she's using that term.

Spoiler for just in case:

I completely agree, I haven't seen the episode yet but as soon as I saw that quote (from someone on Twitter) this what I immediately had in mind and I figured people will get the wrong idea & think Ringo has gone off the deep end again

Also if I am not mistaken it was Shouma who first told (or at least brought to her attention) that she was stalking Tabuki which is another nice call back to that.

I also think Shouma needs a girl like Ringo who is not going to let him go or give up on him easily because he's the type who thinks he doesn't deserve happiness. Ringo needs to work hard and at least she realizes it now.

For you maybe. The problem is that Shouma isn't even close to understand how Ringo feels about him. If she could just spill the beans and those two relation move, that would be a good thing. Using metaphors isn't going to help and this anime has, in my opinion, much more interestinhttp://forums.animesuki.com/editpost.php?do=editpost&p=3828096g fields to cover than Shou and Ringo teen romance.

Well I admit I am definitely biased in their favor but I think Shouma & Ringo are in many ways the heart of the series. I love all their scenes together even the not so happy ones. And yes in some ways it's just a teen romance but that normalcy within the craziness is actually what I love so much because they seem real to me.

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And for me the fact that Ringo is going to fight for Shouma (which is what she really means by "stalker") no matter what he says is a positive thing and actually something different from the rejection scene in episode 14 when she just gave up.

Yes on one hand I would have liked to see things resolved but on the other hand story-wise it probably shouldn't be that easy. And yes Shouma & Ringo might not get together until the end (or closer to) but it might just be more satisfying that way when Shouma does realize what Ringo means to her in the same way she realized what he meant to her.

Anyways as for the rest of the episode I really liked it. I am interested in all the characters so getting to know more about Masako was a good thing for me as she was largely a big mystery before this point.

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While the episode had some drama it was also pretty amusing in its over-the-top ness. Masako's dreams were messed up and that guy speaking in English "Mr President" was hilarious

If I am not mistaken this was the first time we saw the Princess of the Crystal and the Rock Over Japan scene since episode 12. I was wondering what happened to her. But still that scene was definitely a surprise.

And it seems so far all the "violating scenes or almost violating scenes" have been done by women (well excepting the Yuri & her dad thing but that was more a parent/child thing I think) which I also feel is a subversion.

And finally who are those "men in black" and what is Kanba actually doing for them.

Thought that too, because of that scene. But Kanba really does have Kenzan eyes so I don't know...

What really bothers me if what is a kid like him is doing there at night. It's supposed to be a private ground right? Was he invited? By the grandfather? For what exactly? I'm getting terribly weird and horrible thoughts rising those questions . Hopefully we get a clear (and safe) answer soon...

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Originally Posted by Kirarakim

Well I admit I am definitely biased in their favor but I think Shouma & Ringo are in many ways the heart of the series.

I may not have signed for the good serie then. Crap.
Also Shouma doesn't reject her anymore but he sorta tries to, pulling his "our families shouldn't interact. Fate is against us blablabla----" speech. After what happened last week, him running to "save" her, I thought it was a let down. He is a bit too emo for me. I usually like this kind of male character but too much is too much. Man up, boya!

Hey Just to point this out, if you guys Pay close attention to the second OP of the lyrics , It can of Foreshadow the show in a way (beside the Part about the “WAR” .....or is there !!!!) Well wanted to point that out and wanted to hear your thoughts about it

Well don't worry I am sure there will be plenty more to the series for you to enjoy as well.

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Also Shouma doesn't reject her anymore but he sorta tries to, pulling his "our families shouldn't interact. Fate is against us blablabla----" speech. After what happened last week, him running to "save" her, I thought it was a let down. He is a bit too emo for me. I usually like this kind of male character but too much is too much. Man up, boya!

Okay thanks for clearing that up as I would have no idea without subs. Well I didn't think Shouma would get over his issues that easily. But if he is not outright rejecting her like that before I see that as at least a minor step.

But as for the running to save her scene well think of it this way when it counts at least Shouma will try to do something about it hence he is drawn to Ringo whether he thinks he should be or not.

Although about fate being against them I am nervous what Ringo's mom would say when she finds out.

Boring episode indeed, the only thing this episode proved is that Satonishi is pathetically untrustworthy, heck he might even be responsible for most of the deaths in the series and is trying to cover it up.

He's the only superhuman in this series without some kind of backbreaking disadvantage.