Re: Musatov responds to WM on Cantor: intelligence, real, judge for yourself: Cantor’s idea seems to me to ass ume because two sets converge to infinity the nature of infi nity and the number of elements in each set must become equa l.
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Jun 17, 2010 8:50 PM

On Jun 17, 2:37 am, Simplane Simple Plane Simulate Plain Simple<marty.musa...@gmail.com> wrote:> COMMENTARY> To contrast my conception to my perception of Cantor?s conception of> the infinite. Cantor?s idea seems to me to assume because two sets> converge to infinity the nature of infinity and the number of elements> in each set must become equal.> Requiring one to one ?mapping? anything other than a one to one> correspondence is excluded.> My conception is more as infinite quantities are not mathematically> expressible, in the sense we can only conceive of infinity as> something consisting forever. You start with something finite and then> multiply or divide it forever. In this way two infinite sets are not> equal but, as shown in they can be ratio-ed by the finite expression> defines the set, but both extend infinitely.> Cantor?s reversal of conceptions, for some sets (non-d enumerable)> uses conception #2. This is a contradiction to conception #1, and it> would seem to me it can?t be both ways.

Musatov might be interested in knowing about Tony Orlow,who is working on a set size that is very similar toConception #1 above.

In particular, Musatov describes how he uses ratios todetermine that the size of {2,4,6,8,...} is exactly halfthat of {1,2,3,4,...}, since the elements of the setsare in the ratio 2:1. TO uses a similar argument toconclude that if {1,2,3,4,...} has the set size (or"Bigulosity") tav, then {2,4,6,8,...} would have aBigulosity of tav/2.

TO uses the name "Post-Cantorian" to describe those whouse what Musatov calls "Conception #1," as opposed to the"Cantorian" Conception #2. Thus, Musatov and TO arenatural allies wrt set size.

On the other hand, Herc and WM are "Anti-Cantorian" inthat they don't believe in different sizes of infinity. SoI'm glad that Herc and WM are in this thread together. Sothese two reject both Conceptions #1 and #2.

If Musatov would like to learn more about TO's set size,he can click on the current TO thread (warning -- thisthread now exceeds 500 posts).