Why Masons do not worship Lucifer (or Satan)

Regardless of whether Masons worship Lucifer (who is an Angel lets not forget) or not, the real question is....Do Freemasons abduct, ritually torture,
molest and murder children? And if so, for what ends?

Originally posted by Sublevel6
Regardless of whether Masons worship Lucifer (who is an Angel lets not forget) or not, the real question is....Do Freemasons abduct, ritually torture,
molest and murder children? And if so, for what ends?

Start another thread if you want to discuss this. The current topic has nothing to do with such nonsense.

My point is relevant because the issue is not whether Freemasons are Satanists knowingly or otherwise, it is, do they carry out nefarious deeds or are
they a force for good?

Satanism, Lucifer, these are just code words and symbols for evil.

I met a Freemason once, he had a briefcase with Brother on a gold plaque written on it and passed me a sheet from inside entitled "What a Freemason
is allowed to tell a Non-Freemason" It mainly said how the Masons are a global charitable organisation.

However he was the last guy I would have expected. A gang banger, rapper, dope slinger. His Uncle was one and that's how he got into it.

I am quite inspired by the teachings of Hermes Trismegistus, although they are at the root of all spiritual systems the ignorant may claim they are
satanic because they are not directly about Christ or (insert Prophet here). Is this the case with Freemasonry, people scapegoating because they fear
something they do not understand? How closely related are the occult teachings to the wisdom of Hermes? Do Freemasons site William Walker Atkinson as
a spokesman for their "secret" teachings.

Originally posted by Sublevel6
My point is relevant because the issue is not whether Freemasons are Satanists knowingly or otherwise, it is, do they carry out nefarious deeds or are
they a force for good?

Your point is completely irrelevant as the topic is 'Why Masons do not worship Lucifer (or Satan)', and is not 'Do Masons kidnap,
tourture and kill children and other related mentally deficient theories?'.

Originally posted by Sublevel6
My point is relevant because the issue is not whether Freemasons are Satanists knowingly or otherwise, it is, do they carry out nefarious deeds or are
they a force for good?

Your point is completely irrelevant as the topic is 'Why Masons do not worship Lucifer (or Satan)', and is not 'Do Masons kidnap,
tourture and kill children and other related mentally deficient theories?'.

Masons do not worship Lucifer or Satan, this is an age old Conspiracy started by the Catholic Church themselves. This dates all the way back to when
Templars were persecuted by Catholics and all the way up until Templars joined Robert The Bruce and after this.

Freemasons have been persecuted for hundreds of years and some can argue even thousands of years if you add in the age old Masonic guilds of the
ancient Operative Masons.

First of all let's look at this so-called conspiracy against Freemasons and their worshiping of Satan. The biggest evidence for this is the ancient
symbols of Freemasonry. The problem with using symbolism against Freemason's as evidence for Satan Worship is the misunderstandings of what those
symbols actually are and what they mean. First of all, almost every symbol in Freemasonry is directly in relationship to Geometry which is the ancient
adoration of mathematics and the works of God put into symbols.

Every single symbol in Freemasonry has mathematical significance and this fact is largely unknown to Freemasons themselves because today's Freemasons
are Speculative Masons. Operative Masons used these symbols as a way of keeping their ancient craft and the knowledge behind them, immortal. Anyone
can take these symbols and if you have an understanding of geometry, you can study from them.

The Square and Compass means a lot to Speculative Masons but it meant even more to Operative Masons, because it wasn't just a symbol to them, it was
their way of life. It was the geometry they used to build the most magnificent buildings in the world, including the Ancient Pyramids.

How can Freemasons be an evil satanic worshiping cult when it was Freemason who built America. How can Freemasons be an evil satanic worshiping cult,
when it was a Freemason by the name of Smedley Darlington Butler that stopped Prescot Bush's attempt to overthrow our Government.

Yes Smedley Butler, the most decorated Marine in the history of the U.S. was a Freemason. He was a Shriner and he personally saved this Nation from a
Coup by the Bush family and their Communist friends.

I am not a Freemason. I too at one time fell prey to this Freemasonic Satan Worshiping nonsense, and then I did some investigation for myself. We as
Americans owe a great debt to Freemasons all over the world and if I can ever get myself into a Lodge and they'd accept me, I'd join them today in
their war against tyranny.

Do you want to represent how Masons are a force for good or not? Right now you are not coming across as a very blessed person.

If you want people to believe that the masons do not carry out evil acts start telling us some of the good things they do for the world! That will
prove that they do not worship Satan, if they are selfless and believe in helping humanity at large.

I am of no belief either way. I am genuinely interested because I think that the secrecy may conjure up the "nonsense" ideas you talk out of
fantastical assumptions.

So go on, represent, how does your organisation promote good in the world?

Do you want to represent how Masons are a force for good or not? Right now you are not coming across as a very blessed person.

If you want people to believe that the masons do not carry out evil acts start telling us some of the good things they do for the world! That will
prove that they do not worship Satan, if they are selfless and believe in helping humanity at large.

I am of no belief either way. I am genuinely interested because I think that the secrecy may conjure up the "nonsense" ideas you talk out of
fantastical assumptions.

So go on, represent, how does your organisation promote good in the world?

A Freemason by the name of Smedley Butler stopped the overthrow plot of our United States by the grandfather of George Bush and his Communist Cronies.

Freemasons were persecuted in Germany by Hitler himself for trying to help people during the Nazi Regime.

Freemasons built the United States of America which left England for it's oppressive nature.

Freemasons have maybe 40 different official charities.

Freemasons built tons of reputable buildings, including most American Government buildings and many of the greatest Cathedrals in the world, not to
mention the Pyramids.

Freemasons today bring together men of every single religion and dedicate themselves to making better men and improving the world around them by
example.

Freemasons have been persecuted by every oppressive regime in the world and this should be evidence enough, that they are not the culprits that
Conspiracy Theorists are looking for.

I'd personally say that we're a force for good, but I've been called every name in the book. Most recently, on another site, I was called a Demon
and one of the most evil men alive.

How is "Lucifer" a code word for evil? It just means light-bearer and historically referred to the star that preceded the rising sun (which we know
today is the planet Venus), but Christ is known as the morning star as well.

That sheet was just introductory information. There is a lot we can share and that we have shared.

Is this the case with Freemasonry, people scapegoating because they fear something they do not understand?

Yes, we are a convenient target because we're so well-known and "we have secrets".

Do Freemasons site William Walker Atkinson as a spokesman for their "secret" teachings.

No.

Originally posted by tenatiouz
How can Freemasons be an evil satanic worshiping cult when it was Freemason who built America.

If you want people to believe that the masons do not carry out evil acts start telling us some of the good things they do for the world! That
will prove that they do not worship Satan, if they are selfless and believe in helping humanity at large.

1) Why do we need to justify ourselves?
2) Our charitable work speaks for itself.

I am genuinely interested because I think that the secrecy may conjure up the "nonsense" ideas you talk out of fantastical
assumptions.

Secrecy has become somewhat taboo in modern times, but there is nothing wrong with secrecy. The Freemasons private nature makes us an easy target to
be a scapegoat.

So go on, represent, how does your organisation promote good in the world?

Originally posted by KSigMason
Erbal, you'll never be satisfied with any answer given to you. You're just looking to argue and obviously think we're wrong regardless of the
evidence that is presented.

Actually, it is the evidence you guys have provided that makes me think your claims are false.

It's taken a lot of effort but I have persuaded/forced you guys to satisfy the burden of proof placed on your shoulders when you guys made these
claims to start a discussion... for a while you guys flat out refused to satisfy your burden on proof, you claimed anyone who disagrees must prove you
wrong without you first proving yourself correct. (totally ridiculous and undermining position to have, I'm glad you guys let go of it finally)

It's actually you guys who refuse to change your mind regardless of the evidence... you are letting your conclusion dictate the facts instead of the
opposite which I am doing.

The facts are you've not only failed to prove the OP's claims as true but the OP's claims have been effectively refuted over half a dozen times
now.

The only reason this thread is still going is because you guys are consistently burying the truth with more lies. 60 pages now and you guys are still
acting like a bunch of 4th grade bullies attacking resistance from all sides. I have never seen so much circular arguments in my life, you guys will
literally never concede no matter what facts and truth you are faced with... you guys simply have no interest in the truth unless it supports your
bogus PR campaign.

Why should you justify yourselves? Well I guess to counteract this image of Freemasons being Satan worshippers, after all that is what this thread is
about.

What do I do? Social work and music teaching for inner city teenagers. Play good music on FM radio to keep my local community buzzing and moving. In a
way we are a secret society of our own as we are a pirate station fighting the evil forces of Ofcom.

I totally understand your reasons for secrecy, however if your Brotherhood is annoyed by the Satanic scapegoating maybe promoting that you do not have
an evil agenda should be part of the information you make available to the public.

Then I guess if people believe that you are Satan worshippers maybe you'd rather let them, maybe you feel it adds to the mystique.

So accusations should reduce a man's rights? Just because lies are spread doesn't mean I should have to justify my activities. Then again, that's
what I've been doing here since I first joined, dispelling the lies charged against us. I do this on my own accord, not because I felt that I needed
to justify my actions and those I assembled with.

What do I do? Social work and music teaching for inner city teenagers.

Good.

I totally understand your reasons for secrecy, however if your Brotherhood is annoyed by the Satanic scapegoating maybe promoting that you do
not have an evil agenda should be part of the information you make available to the public.

There is tons and tons of information out there that says such things.

Originally posted by Sublevel6
I totally understand your reasons for secrecy, however if your Brotherhood is annoyed by the Satanic scapegoating maybe promoting that you do not have
an evil agenda should be part of the information you make available to the public.

I believe masonry is shrouded in secrecy for a reason in addition to what has already been said. Masonry's core values are things like:
- The idea that everyone should study the seven liberal arts and sciences.
- The idea that people of different religions can unite together for good.
- The idea that freedom of religion is an innate part of being human and cannot be granted or taken away by any man made government (this is
especially important in the Scottish Rite).
- The idea that people should be in charge of their own government.

All of these ideas, you are probably thinking, are commonplace today. And you would be right. So why do we teach these things in allegories and ritual
veiled in secrecy? Because it was not always so. Masonry was born at a time when these ideas were heretical and even uttering them was a death
sentence. But still men labored in the quarries of knowledge, spreading these ideas behind closed doors, whispered ear to ear. Some of those men paid
for it dearly. They were burned at the stake by the church, sentenced to death by Kings. But still, the ideas spread, until it reached a critical mass
and the enlightenment spread across Europe.

And so today, Masonry is still the guardian of those ideas. And yes, it still shrouds them in secrecy. Because someone needs to guard them. A time
will come again when tyranny will fall in the west, and someone needs to safeguard those ideas. Someone needs to whisper them in the darkest periods
of history and bring a light to that darkness. I hope that if such events ever happen in my life time, I will be strong enough to carry on those ideas
in secret...and pay the price, if necessary, like a long line of my brethren have done before me.

Originally posted by Erbal
Clearly you are admitting not all Masons are monotheists and it's not incredibly difficult for a non-monotheist to become a Mason... why else would
you correct my analogy in the way you did?

To me it would appear that they may have admitted persons with a non-monotheistic belief, however it would also appear that they should not have been
admitted (as I have been saying all along) and that it leads to expulsion (as I have also been saying).

If not all Masons are monotheists, then it MUST be a FALSE claim to say no Mason worships Lucifer because all Masons are
monotheists.

You can lie to get in and you can also be initiated against the landmarks but the end result is quite obvious.

Here is another link to a Grand Lodge (Oregon) that implicitly states Monotheism:

Isn't Freemasonry a religion?
No it isn't. The only religious requirement in Masonry is that you believe in a single supreme being. Masons refer to this being as the Great
Architect of the Universe, but this is a generic term and does NOT refer to any specific being. Men of every monotheistic belief are represented
within Freemasonry. source

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