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Re: Who is Redszone's #24 prospect for 2013?

That said, Im honestly wondering what the guy who keeps picking Curtis Partch sees in a 26 year old who had a 4.73 ERA and 4.2 BB/9 at AA and doesnt seem to have a spot in the AAA rotation this year.

I'm not the Partch voter, but he's no longer a starting pitcher. He was a dreadful starter for more than four years, and then, early last season, they moved him to the pen and he took off. He had two or three awful outings but by and large was outstanding in relief. He's a big guy whose good stuff seems to play well in that role. Looking in from the outside, he was immediately transformed from hopeless to prospect.

Re: Who is Redszone's #24 prospect for 2013?

Yet he was drafted in the 37th round and signed without a bonus. BA did not post a scouting report on him. Was it believed that he would return to school? or never hit? His small sample stats in a hitter's league showed promise. Any thoughts?

Yet he was drafted in the 37th round and signed without a bonus. BA did not post a scouting report on him. Was it believed that he would return to school? or never hit? His small sample stats in a hitter's league showed promise. Any thoughts?

Yes, Vincej fell because it was believed he would return to school. However, he was never considered a top talent.

Re: Who is Redszone's #24 prospect for 2013?

While it's probably too early for him, I'm going with Vincej. It's a crapshoot at this point, but his defense (WCC Defensive Player of the Year and ABCA/Rawlings Gold Glove) combined with the bat he showed in Billings give some hope (granted, the .336/.393/.434 line came with a .382 BABIP).

A bit of a lottery ticket, but he smells a lot like Cozart to me. Brooks Wallace Award Winner for best college shortstop, redsof72 was high on him, and though it's not verified anywhere, being a deadline signee I wonder if he was signed over slot money.

Re: Who is Redszone's #24 prospect for 2013?

In a 143 ABs in Billings, he had 12 extra base hits. At 21, he 's only 165 lbs., so there's still a chance he could fill out and develop some power.

It sounds like he's capable of plus defense. At a premium position, he doesn't need to hit like Cal Ripken, Jr. to have some value to the organization.

He had an IsoP of roughly .100 in the Pioneer League coming out of college. That is incredibly poor power output. If he is that size at 21 after playing college baseball (where they have gyms and trainers and training regimens), he probably isn't going to put on a bunch of weight.

I am not saying he can't be of value to the organization. Maybe he turns into a Miguel Rojas type. But I don't see him ever being a Major Leaguer.

Re: Who is Redszone's #24 prospect for 2013?

Originally Posted by dougdirt

He had an IsoP of roughly .100 in the Pioneer League coming out of college. That is incredibly poor power output. If he is that size at 21 after playing college baseball (where they have gyms and trainers and training regimens), he probably isn't going to put on a bunch of weight.

I am not saying he can't be of value to the organization. Maybe he turns into a Miguel Rojas type. But I don't see him ever being a Major Leaguer.

I think you're underselling his bat.

Miguel Rojas has never OPS'd over .665. His slash numbers at Billings (albeit at age 19) were .183/.243/.245.

While I realize Vincej's numbers were largely BABIP-driven, he's a different caliber at the plate than Rojas. Last year at Pepperdine, he OPS'd .848, followed by .826 in Billings.

I've witnessed this debate before and know you'll argue this ad nauseam. My concluding point: We're picking longshots at this point. A plus-glove SS with some moxie and chance to hit has some value to the organization.

Re: Who is Redszone's #24 prospect for 2013?

Miguel Rojas has never OPS'd over .665. His slash numbers at Billings (albeit at age 19) were .183/.243/.245.

While I realize Vincej's numbers were largely BABIP-driven, he's a different caliber at the plate than Rojas. Last year at Pepperdine, he OPS'd .848, followed by .826 in Billings.

I've witnessed this debate before and know you'll argue this ad nauseam. My concluding point: We're picking longshots at this point. A plus-glove SS with some moxie and chance to hit has some value to the organization.

My point was more that he is all glove, no bat. Not that he was a clone of Rojas.

And really we aren't picking longshots here. Well, unless you happened to have voted for Vincej.

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