They got an answer. It was NO.That is how the government works. Thank you for your request, we will file it.

fta: "He said that Deputy Assistant Secretary Lamb believed the Benghazi post did not need any Diplomatic Security Special Agents because there was a residential safe haven to fall back to in an emergency"

the under secretary of state for management, issued a "decision memo" in December 2011 requiring that the Benghazi post be manned with five diplomatic security agents, but that it usually had only three or four.

Because 1-2 more security agents would have made a world of difference??

namatad:the under secretary of state for management, issued a "decision memo" in December 2011 requiring that the Benghazi post be manned with five diplomatic security agents, but that it usually had only three or four.

Because 1-2 more security agents would have made a world of difference??

Nordstrom also argued for more U.S. security in Libya earlier this year by listing 230 different security incidents in Libya which occurred between June 2011 and July 2012, according to another document.

namatad:the under secretary of state for management, issued a "decision memo" in December 2011 requiring that the Benghazi post be manned with five diplomatic security agents, but that it usually had only three or four.

Because 1-2 more security agents would have made a world of difference??

Yes, that's retarded. If he had known that it would be attacked by a local militia with heavy weapons then he would have requested evacuation.

ftfa: "Getting the budget request cut is pretty standard for the State Department," added James Dobbins, a former career diplomat who was a special envoy to a series of global troubled spots under former President Bill Clinton and former President George W. Bush.But he noted that the State Department has gotten "billions and billions over the years" to rebuild, move and fortify missions around the world"

vpb:namatad: the under secretary of state for management, issued a "decision memo" in December 2011 requiring that the Benghazi post be manned with five diplomatic security agents, but that it usually had only three or four.

Because 1-2 more security agents would have made a world of difference??

Yes, that's retarded. If he had known that it would be attacked by a local militia with heavy weapons then he would have requested evacuation.

The Democratic memo said that since gaining the House majority in 2010 elections, Republicans have voted to reduce embassy security funding by about half a billion dollars below the amount requested by the Obama administration.

This is a pattern with Republicans. "The government can't do anything right! Look, we'll prove it!!"

FTFA: The Oversight and Government Reform committee has been investigating the handling of security at the U.S. mission in Benghazi before the attack....[Rep.] Chaffetz said he suspects the devotion of so much effort and money to Iraq and Afghanistan has drained resources away from security for U.S. diplomatic efforts in other parts of the world. U.S. troops have withdrawn from Iraq but thousands of security contractors remain there, he said. "We have 15,000 (security contractors) in Iraq, and we have a hard time having more than two dozen in Libya," Chaffetz said. "It doesn't seem to balance itself out right."

Rep. Chaffetz (who is a Republican) makes an excellent point here. He's right that with so much military committment to Afghanistan and Iraq---the State Department has had to stretch its resources over the years. We're talking about a diplomatic outpost in Benghazi--remote eastern Libya. It would have been hard to make the case to reassigning security personnel from Iraq to Libya during the Iraq War. No one would have believed it necessary. Even afterwards--why would Benghazi attract enough attention to warrant more security agents? After all, the US helped destroy the Qaddafi forces threatening that area. With diplomatic resources tied up in formal war zone theaters like Iraq and Afghanistan, there isn't enough to go around elsewhere without State Department being criticized for taking active security out of Iraq and Afghanistan.

The Democratic staff memo that outlined Nordstrom's pleas for more security also said that House Republicans voted to reduce embassy security funding by about half a billion dollars below the amount requested by the Obama administration since 2010. The Democratic-led Senate had been able to restore "a small portion" of these funds, the memo said.

tenpoundsofcheese:They got an answer. It was NO.That is how the government works. Thank you for your request, we will file it.

fta: "He said that Deputy Assistant Secretary Lamb believed the Benghazi post did not need any Diplomatic Security Special Agents because there was a residential safe haven to fall back to in an emergency"

You just furiously masturbated when you heard about this attack, didn't you? It's okay, Romney did too so you're in good company.

tenpoundsofcheese:It is amazing that the State Department can neglect security in a place like this.

Yeah---like you and the GOP would have been onboard in shifting security from Iraq to Libya before the riots. Could you be any more transparent? You would have been shrieking that Obama was trying to undermine the righteous legacy of Dubya. As if you could have even found Libya on a map before the "Arab Spring." Don't bother with the crocodile tears and fake hand-wringing.

dahmers love zombie:The Democratic staff memo that outlined Nordstrom's pleas for more security also said that House Republicans voted to reduce embassy security funding by about half a billion dollars below the amount requested by the Obama administration since 2010. The Democratic-led Senate had been able to restore "a small portion" of these funds, the memo said.

That's what the republicans do. It's the same thing with the economy. Create the problem then blame the President. Because people are stupid. And they are, which is why Romney still actually has a chance.

All the GOP hears is 'Obama failed'. That's it. Now, if McCain had been in office, it would be a cacophonous defense of the President and how we need to stay the course and how Congress wasn't giving him the tools or the money to do what he needs to do- they would need to spend MORE money.

Give the guy a break. This is his moneymaker alt, the one that takes normal levels of derp and turns them up to 35. His actual sincere alts only come out when Israel is in the subject line.

dahmers love zombie:The Democratic staff memo that outlined Nordstrom's pleas for more security also said that House Republicans voted to reduce embassy security funding by about half a billion dollars below the amount requested by the Obama administration since 2010. The Democratic-led Senate had been able to restore "a small portion" of these funds, the memo said.

That right there shuts down every grain of derp that he's trying to foam into your rhetoric.

But really what he's doing (and I suspect getting paid to do) is derail any kind of conversation that will actually have substance or meaning anywhere the discussion will make his employers look bad. And let's be fair - if that's what he's getting paid to do, he's very good at his job.

1. What happened in Libya is not all the Obama admins fault. Yes, they take some of the blame for piss poor planning, and they are taking the heat for that.2. GOP, you cannot biatch about shiatty service when you are cutting corners in cost.3. This whole Libya thing is farking shiatty partisan bashing trying to one up the other side. farking stop it, please.

namatad:the under secretary of state for management, issued a "decision memo" in December 2011 requiring that the Benghazi post be manned with five diplomatic security agents, but that it usually had only three or four.

Because 1-2 more security agents would have made a world of difference??

Exactly what I came to post. Inflammatory headline, but in reality the requested difference would have been negligible.

Yeah, it's possible more could have been done to prevent the attack that killed 4 Americans.So, let's elect the Republicans and guarantee 20,000+ dead Americans in Iran, and ???+ dead Americans here at home due to terrorist retaliation.

They knew it was coming. And it played out exactly as they had expected. The countdown to Shock and Awshiat for Iran has started. Before November, we will have played a part in the fall of the Ayatollahs. I hate politicians.

fusillade762:vpb: namatad: the under secretary of state for management, issued a "decision memo" in December 2011 requiring that the Benghazi post be manned with five diplomatic security agents, but that it usually had only three or four.

Because 1-2 more security agents would have made a world of difference??

Yes, that's retarded. If he had known that it would be attacked by a local militia with heavy weapons then he would have requested evacuation.

This.

GAT_00: And here's the Moonie Times no less saying exactly that, the GOP massively cut embassy security budgets.

Yeah, it's right in TFA, too.

The Democratic memo said that since gaining the House majority in 2010 elections, Republicans have voted to reduce embassy security funding by about half a billion dollars below the amount requested by the Obama administration.

This is a pattern with Republicans. "The government can't do anything right! Look, we'll prove it!!"

Also FTFA:

The cuts to the embassy construction, security and maintenance budget was almost 10 percent of the entire appropriation for that account over those two years, said Scott Lilly, now a scholar at the left-leaning Center for American Progress.

Is this terrible and unfortunate? Yes. But people are acting like a government office asking for more resources is unheard of. I don't have numbers, but I'm betting that there are thousands of similar requests pending right now.

Tell me, Republicans, should we just approve them all immediately without regard for the cost?

GAT_00:Also there was no money in the budget because once the GOP took over the House they massively cut the budget for protection of embassies.

Do some fact checking. The budget was not cut by by House. The Senate has not approved a budget since 2008. Government has been operating on an extension of the 2008 budget ever since.Funding for security was and is available.

No, I think this one falls into the lap of the State Department. While Republicans did slash the budget, the allocation of the remaining funds is strictly the duty of the State Department. I think a simple risk assessment (Rag-tag loosely aligned militias, not all of which are friendly to US causes, have overthrown a stable, albeit murderous, dictator and the replacement government isn't strong enough yet to effectively enforce its power over the still-armed militias. We ought to reenforce our embassy with agents that are currently in low-risk areas elsewhere temporarily.) would have probably altered the events in a way more favorable.

/Again, I'm assuming that the Republicans were wise with their cuts.//And that the funds weren't earmarked.

dahmers love zombie:The Democratic staff memo that outlined Nordstrom's pleas for more security also said that House Republicans voted to reduce embassy security funding by about half a billion dollars below the amount requested by the Obama administration since 2010. The Democratic-led Senate had been able to restore "a small portion" of these funds, the memo said.

Since Thursday will be the Presidential debate on foreign policy, if Romney dare used the dead Americans from the Embassy attack to make a political point, I hope Obama brings up this very fact that it was the GOP Congressmen who voted to reduce funding.

PA_Mainy-Yak:GAT_00: Also there was no money in the budget because once the GOP took over the House they massively cut the budget for protection of embassies.

Do some fact checking. The budget was not cut by by House. The Senate has not approved a budget since 2008. Government has been operating on an extension of the 2008 budget ever since.Funding for security was and is available.

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats:namatad: the under secretary of state for management, issued a "decision memo" in December 2011 requiring that the Benghazi post be manned with five diplomatic security agents, but that it usually had only three or four.

Because 1-2 more security agents would have made a world of difference??

Exactly what I came to post. Inflammatory headline, but in reality the requested difference would have been negligible.

cman:1. What happened in Libya is not all the Obama admins fault. Yes, they take some of the blame for piss poor planning, and they are taking the heat for that.2. GOP, you cannot biatch about shiatty service when you are cutting corners in cost.3. This whole Libya thing is farking shiatty partisan bashing trying to one up the other side. farking stop it, please.

Well, it works two ways. Can't deflect Libya and then turn around and take credit for Osama and blame Bush for 9/11.

tenpoundsofcheese:namatad: the under secretary of state for management, issued a "decision memo" in December 2011 requiring that the Benghazi post be manned with five diplomatic security agents, but that it usually had only three or four.

Because 1-2 more security agents would have made a world of difference??

Nadie_AZ:All the GOP hears is 'Obama failed'. That's it. Now, if McCain had been in office, it would be a cacophonous defense of the President and how we need to stay the course and how Congress wasn't giving him the tools or the money to do what he needs to do- they would need to spend MORE money.

I want the election to end.

I agree. I am so sick of the GOP and Mitt-farking-Romney constantly lying his sorry ass off over every issue. Then I hear a massive outpouring of derp from the morons on the right about something stupid. They refuse to debate with reason, they refuse to listen to facts, they rely on the echo chamber.

bhcompy:cman: 1. What happened in Libya is not all the Obama admins fault. Yes, they take some of the blame for piss poor planning, and they are taking the heat for that.2. GOP, you cannot biatch about shiatty service when you are cutting corners in cost.3. This whole Libya thing is farking shiatty partisan bashing trying to one up the other side. farking stop it, please.

Well, it works two ways. Can't deflect Libya and then turn around and take credit for Osama and blame Bush for 9/11.

PA_Mainy-Yak:GAT_00: Also there was no money in the budget because once the GOP took over the House they massively cut the budget for protection of embassies.

Do some fact checking. The budget was not cut by by House. The Senate has not approved a budget since 2008. Government has been operating on an extension of the 2008 budget ever since.Funding for security was and is available.

It's okay that you don't have a clue as to how federal budgeting works, you're hardly the only one.

tenpoundsofcheese:They got an answer. It was NO.That is how the government works. Thank you for your request, we will file it.

fta: "He said that Deputy Assistant Secretary Lamb believed the Benghazi post did not need any Diplomatic Security Special Agents because there was a residential safe haven to fall back to in an emergency"

Well that safe house would have still been safe if Romney hadn't leaked its location, which he learned from his September intelligence briefings, to his Blackwater team. I guess the lesson to learn here is don't give Mitt Romney sensitive intelligence or he will use it to help his mercenaries kill our ambassadors.

Rep. Chaffetz (who is a Republican) makes an excellent point here. He's right that with so much military committment to Afghanistan and Iraq---the State Department has had to stretch its resources over the years. We're talking about a diplomatic outpost in Benghazi--remote eastern Libya. It would have been hard to make the case to reassigning security personnel from Iraq to Libya during the Iraq War. No one would have believed it necessary. Even afterwards--why would Benghazi attract enough attention to warrant more security agents? After all, the US helped destroy the Qaddafi forces threatening that area. With diplomatic resources tied up in formal war zone theaters like Iraq and Afghanistan, there isn't enough to go around elsewhere without State Department being criticized for taking active security out of Iraq and Afghanistan.

...except that Benghazi was specifically targeted because of the lack of security... which completely invalidates your point.

you know,i could give a rats axe who is to blame.what thier political affiliation is,and whether thier wearing boxers or briefs.we should have at least 50 marines at EVERY embassy we have anywhere in the world including switzerland.its rediculous that we dont protect our interests in a way that will make any local think twice before attacking one of our installations.and i dont care if it costs a lot. the placement of embassys in any country dictates that the embassy is our soverign soil and we have the need and the right to protect it by any means neccesary. when they attack our soverign soil they are attacking mainland USA and for that they deserve whatever punishment we can mete out. when they attack our embassys diplomacy has failed and we should do whatever we have to do to protect our people. if they complain,we should just tell em we told ya so and yawn loudly at thier complaints. perhaps fart in thier general direction,hopefully after eating a meal of pork. maybe fry up some bacon for treats for the protestors......

seriously though,an attack on one of our embassys should be met with an incredible assualt on the attackers,making them wonder if it was such a good idea in the first place. you cant reason with the unreasonable.

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus:tenpoundsofcheese: They got an answer. It was NO.That is how the government works. Thank you for your request, we will file it.

fta: "He said that Deputy Assistant Secretary Lamb believed the Benghazi post did not need any Diplomatic Security Special Agents because there was a residential safe haven to fall back to in an emergency"

Well that safe house would have still been safe if Romney hadn't leaked its location, which he learned from his September intelligence briefings, to his Blackwater team. I guess the lesson to learn here is don't give Mitt Romney sensitive intelligence or he will use it to help his mercenaries kill our ambassadors.

Please stop the senseless retaliatory conspiracy derp.

/Why do you defeat the purpose of rendering its posts in grey 1 by quoting it?

I worked extensively in north africa. our security is weak. has been for a decade. we knew benghazi was a security risk because there are al sides loyalists there who routinely attack foreign interests. the Italian consulate was attacked there a few years ago and we know about recurring problems, security should have been tighter.

cman:bhcompy: cman: 1. What happened in Libya is not all the Obama admins fault. Yes, they take some of the blame for piss poor planning, and they are taking the heat for that.2. GOP, you cannot biatch about shiatty service when you are cutting corners in cost.3. This whole Libya thing is farking shiatty partisan bashing trying to one up the other side. farking stop it, please.

Well, it works two ways. Can't deflect Libya and then turn around and take credit for Osama and blame Bush for 9/11.

I don't blame Bush for 9/11

I'm sorry then. I responded in general to the common claims made on Fark.

cman:1. What happened in Libya is not all the Obama admins fault. Yes, they take some of the blame for piss poor planning, and they are taking the heat for that.2. GOP, you cannot biatch about shiatty service when you are cutting corners in cost.3. This whole Libya thing is farking shiatty partisan bashing trying to one up the other side. farking stop it, please.

Correct me if I'm wrong... but I don't remember Democrats dancing on the graves of the dead on 9-12-01 trying to hit home political points about how inept the other side is. Does anyone care to correct me? From the party who cries how the Democrats "politicize" everything, including gun violence, this makes me question their integrity... just kidding I knew they were spineless weak shills in the first place.

bhcompy:cman: bhcompy: cman: 1. What happened in Libya is not all the Obama admins fault. Yes, they take some of the blame for piss poor planning, and they are taking the heat for that.2. GOP, you cannot biatch about shiatty service when you are cutting corners in cost.3. This whole Libya thing is farking shiatty partisan bashing trying to one up the other side. farking stop it, please.

Well, it works two ways. Can't deflect Libya and then turn around and take credit for Osama and blame Bush for 9/11.

I don't blame Bush for 9/11

I'm sorry then. I responded in general to the common claims made on Fark.

fusillade762:vpb: namatad: the under secretary of state for management, issued a "decision memo" in December 2011 requiring that the Benghazi post be manned with five diplomatic security agents, but that it usually had only three or four.

Because 1-2 more security agents would have made a world of difference??

Yes, that's retarded. If he had known that it would be attacked by a local militia with heavy weapons then he would have requested evacuation.

This.

GAT_00: And here's the Moonie Times no less saying exactly that, the GOP massively cut embassy security budgets.

Yeah, it's right in TFA, too.

The Democratic memo said that since gaining the House majority in 2010 elections, Republicans have voted to reduce embassy security funding by about half a billion dollars below the amount requested by the Obama administration.

This is a pattern with Republicans. "The government can't do anything right! Look, we'll prove it!!"

This is much worse than their usual, 'defund, deregulate, and tsk tsk when it falls' apart m.o. Here, they actually created the situation, probably hoping for exactly this result.

Well, duh! The operator told the President, "Nordstrom's on the phone", and he told 'em "Probably Michelle buying more dresses. Transfer it to her office."either that or Nordstrom was a simple man who hatched a non-conformist plan to save his ass...

intelligent comment below:Correct me if I'm wrong... but I don't remember Democrats dancing on the graves of the dead on 9-12-01 trying to hit home political points about how inept the other side is. Does anyone care to correct me? From the party who cries how the Democrats "politicize" everything, including gun violence, this makes me question their integrity... just kidding I knew they were spineless weak shills in the first place.

LordJiro:intelligent comment below: Correct me if I'm wrong... but I don't remember Democrats dancing on the graves of the dead on 9-12-01 trying to hit home political points about how inept the other side is. Does anyone care to correct me? From the party who cries how the Democrats "politicize" everything, including gun violence, this makes me question their integrity... just kidding I knew they were spineless weak shills in the first place.

After 9/11, Bush the Lesser had a 90%+ approval rating.

The American people were only just waking up from its cultural pollyannaism.

intelligent comment below:Correct me if I'm wrong... but I don't remember Democrats dancing on the graves of the dead on 9-12-01 trying to hit home political points about how inept the other side is. Does anyone care to correct me? From the party who cries how the Democrats "politicize" everything, including gun violence, this makes me question their integrity... just kidding I knew they were spineless weak shills in the first place.

9/11 was different. It was an attack on our soil on civilians. We never thought it would happen here. Sure, we expected it over there, but not over here. Because of how unexpected and big it was, everything before that didn't matter. All we cared about was revenge. 9/11 brought us together because of how much trauma it inflicted upon us. 4 people dying in a politically unstable country is not gonna be as traumatic.

9/11 was here, it was on our front lawn. The Libya attack was over there, we didn't see it ourselves, and that is why people can justify this as a partisan issue. I don't like it, but that is the reason why.

you know,by now i would have thought that we as a nation would have gotten smarter then to play the blame game with serious problems we face. guess i was wrong,we do seem to be getting dumber by the minute,particularly in election years.

The cuts to the embassy construction, security and maintenance budget was almost 10 percent of the entire appropriation for that account over those two years, said Scott Lilly, now a scholar at the left-leaning Center for American Progress.

Misleading partisan bullshiat is bullshiat.

No, you're the one spreading misleading partisan bullshiat. Were there or were there not cuts to security by Republicans?

Mugato:dahmers love zombie: The Democratic staff memo that outlined Nordstrom's pleas for more security also said that House Republicans voted to reduce embassy security funding by about half a billion dollars below the amount requested by the Obama administration since 2010. The Democratic-led Senate had been able to restore "a small portion" of these funds, the memo said.

That's what the republicans do. It's the same thing with the economy. Create the problem then blame the President. Because people are stupid. And they are, which is why Romney still actually has a chance.

Mrtraveler01:I love how you guys keep saying it's bullshiat but haven't been able to prove that it's bullshiat.

I'm sure the Marines are going to be surprised that their funding was cut by Republicans who thought that the State Department was spending excessively. This is the biggest steaming pile in a while. But, who cares? You're in love.

What part of $500 million cut by the House since 2010 for embassy security is bullsh*t?

Seems like all of it. They voted to cut State Department funding, It's Obama and the Dems who have cut Defense Department funding, even as they expand our military commitments as quietly as they can.....but, here I am wasting my breath in the Fark echo chamber again.

Four more years! Four more years! Barry Obama & Mrs. Bill Clinton are doing a GREAT job with foreign policy. Oh, and BO's domestic policies ain't too shabby either! Unless you're one of the 24 million unemployed, underemployed, or have given up. Four more years!

porterm:you know,by now i would have thought that we as a nation would have gotten smarter then to play the blame game with serious problems we face. guess i was wrong,we do seem to be getting dumber by the minute,particularly in election years.

excuse me, butunless you KNOW what caused the problem, you can not solve it.

what caused this problem? part of the problem was caused by a massive reduction in funding by the GOP. PERIOD.

this is not the blame game, this is pointing out PART of the cause of the problem. Credit, including blame, must be determined. Unless the goal is not to solve the problem??

porterm:you know,i could give a rats axe who is to blame.what thier political affiliation is,and whether thier wearing boxers or briefs.we should have at least 50 marines at EVERY embassy we have anywhere in the world including switzerland.its rediculous that we dont protect our interests in a way that will make any local think twice before attacking one of our installations.and i dont care if it costs a lot. the placement of embassys in any country dictates that the embassy is our soverign soil and we have the need and the right to protect it by any means neccesary. when they attack our soverign soil they are attacking mainland USA and for that they deserve whatever punishment we can mete out. when they attack our embassys diplomacy has failed and we should do whatever we have to do to protect our people. if they complain,we should just tell em we told ya so and yawn loudly at thier complaints. perhaps fart in thier general direction,hopefully after eating a meal of pork. maybe fry up some bacon for treats for the protestors......

seriously though,an attack on one of our embassys should be met with an incredible assualt on the attackers,making them wonder if it was such a good idea in the first place. you cant reason with the unreasonable.

logicalman:Four more years! Four more years! Barry Obama & Mrs. Bill Clinton are doing a GREAT job with foreign policy. Oh, and BO's domestic policies ain't too shabby either! Unless you're one of the 24 million unemployed, underemployed, or have given up. Four more years!

In the 2011 continuing resolution, Congress, at the insistence of the House of Representatives, slashed the president's request for embassy security and construction and forced another cut in fiscal year 2012. Altogether Congress has eliminated $296 million from embassy security and construction in the last two years with additional cuts in other State Department security accounts.

The blood of the 4 Americans killed in Benghazi is on the hands of the austerity-focused Tea Party Republicans in the House of Representatives. Obama asked for more money, they said no. It's a damn good thing Obama didn't have to ask the House Tea Party Republicans for that second helicopter in the Bin Laden raid, huh?

You didn't come here for any reason but to talk sh*t and be a douche. I'm toasting to the sight of you passed out in the ditch, you underpants soiled. That would be the equivalent of what you did in this thread.

intelligent comment below:Correct me if I'm wrong... but I don't remember Democrats dancing on the graves of the dead on 9-12-01 trying to hit home political points about how inept the other side is.

Michael Moore and Eric Alterman did. You will probably say, "Who?" but they were big names at the time.

/the left just tosses their spokespeople down the memory hole whenever it turns out they were wrong//ten years from now people will probably say, "Obama who? He was probably a false flag Republican pretending to be a Democrat."

As convinced as I am sure we all are by your two examples of D-list liberal celebrities/journalists, do you have any examples of Democratic Presidential nominees who danced on the graves of dead Americans like Mitt Romney did while the attacks were still happening?

What part of $500 million cut by the House since 2010 for embassy security is bullsh*t?

Seems like all of it. They voted to cut State Department funding, It's Obama and the Dems who have cut Defense Department funding, even as they expand our military commitments as quietly as they can.....but, here I am wasting my breath in the Fark echo chamber again.

By law, members of the state must be protected by state department assets. Its a division of power thing... the Defense Department has nothing to do with it.

Unrelated: Like most asshole government types, everyone will rage about military lay offs from budget cuts... when in reality the labor is a minor cost compared to things like maintenance on 14 aircraft carrier fleets. Its just like when the local school board gets their budget cut, they immediately take the funding out of the bus system rather than administrative costs. Its just to piss off everyone so that next time they get the budget they want.

According to this article, the total amount of money that this Republican House has tried to cut over the past two years and in the next fiscal budget for embassy security, construction and protection is pushing $1 billion total. Between the Worldwide Security Protection fund and the State Department's own budget, they have already cut nearly $240 million from those two funds just this year, and wanted to cut more. Think that might have had an impact on who was available security duty in Libya?

nopokerface:Mrtraveler01: I love how you guys keep saying it's bullshiat but haven't been able to prove that it's bullshiat.

I'm sure the Marines are going to be surprised that their funding was cut by Republicans who thought that the State Department was spending excessively. This is the biggest steaming pile in a while. But, who cares? You're in love.

I haven't tagged a blind military shill in a while, good to know you just come right out and admit it

Captain_Sunshine:nopokerface: There's lots of funny sh*t on here, I usually manage to avoid this crap. But, I've been drinking....

Maybe this will help you sober up a bit.

According to this article, the total amount of money that this Republican House has tried to cut over the past two years and in the next fiscal budget for embassy security, construction and protection is pushing $1 billion total. Between the Worldwide Security Protection fund and the State Department's own budget, they have already cut nearly $240 million from those two funds just this year, and wanted to cut more. Think that might have had an impact on who was available security duty in Libya?

Captain_Sunshine:nopokerface: There's lots of funny sh*t on here, I usually manage to avoid this crap. But, I've been drinking....

Maybe this will help you sober up a bit.

According to this article, the total amount of money that this Republican House has tried to cut over the past two years and in the next fiscal budget for embassy security, construction and protection is pushing $1 billion total. Between the Worldwide Security Protection fund and the State Department's own budget, they have already cut nearly $240 million from those two funds just this year, and wanted to cut more. Think that might have had an impact on who was available security duty in Libya?

You just don't understand. Because 0bama wants to cut funding to Halliburton and Boeing's defense contracts, that automatically means they are to blame for all issues including an embassy attack. Dumb libtards

Carousel Beast:fusillade762: vpb: namatad: the under secretary of state for management, issued a "decision memo" in December 2011 requiring that the Benghazi post be manned with five diplomatic security agents, but that it usually had only three or four.

Because 1-2 more security agents would have made a world of difference??

Yes, that's retarded. If he had known that it would be attacked by a local militia with heavy weapons then he would have requested evacuation.

This.

GAT_00: And here's the Moonie Times no less saying exactly that, the GOP massively cut embassy security budgets.

Yeah, it's right in TFA, too.

The Democratic memo said that since gaining the House majority in 2010 elections, Republicans have voted to reduce embassy security funding by about half a billion dollars below the amount requested by the Obama administration.

This is a pattern with Republicans. "The government can't do anything right! Look, we'll prove it!!"

Also FTFA:

The cuts to the embassy construction, security and maintenance budget was almost 10 percent of the entire appropriation for that account over those two years, said Scott Lilly, now a scholar at the left-leaning Center for American Progress.

Oh, didn't know that the GOP controlled "Congress" from your link. Could have sworn the Dems controlled the Senate. It is also the State Department that allocates funds once set. There were no other areas to cut, the House forced cuts to Benzghai? You keep derping that chicken.

MyRandomName:GAT_00: And here's the Moonie Times no less saying exactly that, the GOP massively cut embassy security budgets.

Oh, didn't know that the GOP controlled "Congress" from your link. Could have sworn the Dems controlled the Senate. It is also the State Department that allocates funds once set. There were no other areas to cut, the House forced cuts to Benzghai? You keep derping that chicken.

Yeah- the house cut the money drastically, and the Senate managed to get some, but not all, added back in.

Republicans cut the money, Democrats tried to stop the cuts. This isn't hard.

Obviously it was the single House of Representatives and republicans fault... not misallocation of funds since 2009.

THE HORROR OF THOSE GOP CUTS! Sad what liberals actually believe. Once again, so you liberals can understand... if you ask for a 10% increase, it is not a cute to your budget to only receive a 7% increase.

intelligent comment below:MyRandomName: if you ask for a 10% increase, it is not a cute to your budget to only receive a 7% increase.

Denying funding then blaming 0bama for not increasing security. wrap your heads around that

He can't. In his eyes, the Republicans are always right and the side of virtue and truth whereas the Democrats are always wrong and are the evil party determined to hold America back from her greatness.

fusillade762:vpb: namatad: the under secretary of state for management, issued a "decision memo" in December 2011 requiring that the Benghazi post be manned with five diplomatic security agents, but that it usually had only three or four.

Because 1-2 more security agents would have made a world of difference??

Yes, that's retarded. If he had known that it would be attacked by a local militia with heavy weapons then he would have requested evacuation.

This.

GAT_00: And here's the Moonie Times no less saying exactly that, the GOP massively cut embassy security budgets.

Yeah, it's right in TFA, too.

The Democratic memo said that since gaining the House majority in 2010 elections, Republicans have voted to reduce embassy security funding by about half a billion dollars below the amount requested by the Obama administration.

This is a pattern with Republicans. "The government can't do anything right! Look, we'll prove it!!"

Yeah it's totally the GOP's fault. This makes sense as the White House immediately went into attack mode over it instead of trying to cover up the story like they had made a huge mis....oh nm.

intelligent comment below:Brubold: Yeah it's totally the GOP's fault. This makes sense as the White House immediately went into attack mode over it instead of trying to cover up the story like they had made a huge mis....oh nm.

So you're saying they should have gone straight to blaming the Republicans for cutting the security budget? Is that your final answer?

You people know damn well if the Bush Administration had pulled the idiocy that the Obama Administration did before and after the attacks the MSM would crucify him for it. It would have ended his reelection bid and rightly so. But since their guy is in office they go right along with the lies about the video being the cause and that it could never have been an act of terrorism.

There were outright lies and a cover up for two weeks after the attack and murder of 4 US citizens operating in an official US capacity and you guys on the Left want to make excuses for Obama and his team.They had the intel during and after the attack and yet Obama chose to blame it on a video no one had even heard of before his Administration brought it up.On top of that, they failed to secure the facility after the attack and untold amounts of top secret information fell into the hands of the enemy.

zepher:You people know damn well if the Bush Administration had pulled the idiocy that the Obama Administration did before and after the attacks the MSM would crucify him for it. It would have ended his reelection bid and rightly so. But since their guy is in office they go right along with the lies about the video being the cause and that it could never have been an act of terrorism.

There were outright lies and a cover up for two weeks after the attack and murder of 4 US citizens operating in an official US capacity and you guys on the Left want to make excuses for Obama and his team.They had the intel during and after the attack and yet Obama chose to blame it on a video no one had even heard of before his Administration brought it up.On top of that, they failed to secure the facility after the attack and untold amounts of top secret information fell into the hands of the enemy.

Well, if you're gonna suck a dick you might as well suck it all. Nice work. 9/10.

zepher:You people know damn well if the Bush Administration had pulled the idiocy that the Obama Administration did before and after the attacks the MSM would crucify him for it. It would have ended his reelection bid and rightly so. But since their guy is in office they go right along with the lies about the video being the cause and that it could never have been an act of terrorism.

There were outright lies and a cover up for two weeks after the attack and murder of 4 US citizens operating in an official US capacity and you guys on the Left want to make excuses for Obama and his team.They had the intel during and after the attack and yet Obama chose to blame it on a video no one had even heard of before his Administration brought it up.On top of that, they failed to secure the facility after the attack and untold amounts of top secret information fell into the hands of the enemy.

I don't think so. Bush survived the reelection despite the massive controversies surrounding him. Obama is getting his ass crucified by the MSM, you are just ignoring it because it contradicts your preconceptions.

0bama's responsible for embassy security now too. What else is this magic wizard capable of?

zepher:But since their guy is in office they go right along with the lies about the video being the cause and that it could never have been an act of terrorism.

Even though the media is in favor of Romney and after the debates they went full derp

zepher:There were outright lies and a cover up for two weeks after the attack and murder of 4 US citizens operating in an official US capacity and you guys on the Left want to make excuses for Obama and his team.

No, there was no solid intel on what exactly happened. a team of FBI agents couldn't even reach the area to investigate

zepher:They had the intel during and after the attack and yet Obama chose to blame it on a video no one had even heard of before his Administration brought it up.

They had the intel? citation needed

The video was what caused all the protests around the region. Are you denying this fact too?

zepher:On top of that, they failed to secure the facility after the attack and untold amounts of top secret information fell into the hands of the enemy.

citation needed

I'm glad to see another desperate shill comes out of the wood work to dance on more graves. It's like Democrats on 9-12-01 all over again

swangoatman:zepher: On top of that, they failed to secure the facility after the attack and untold amounts of top secret information fell into the hands of the enemy.

That was the mooslems in charge plan.

I'm sure the US had tons of secret information hidden away at a small temporary embassy in a country just coming out of a civil war that toppled a dictator. I bet the Libyans now know who killed JFK and the codes to the football

intelligent comment below:zepher: You people know damn well if the Bush Administration had pulled the idiocy that the Obama Administration did before and after the attacks the MSM would crucify him for it.

No, there was no solid intel on what exactly happened. a team of FBI agents couldn't even reach the area to investigate

zepher: They had the intel during and after the attack and yet Obama chose to blame it on a video no one had even heard of before his Administration brought it up.

They had the intel? citation needed

The video was what caused all the protests around the region. Are you denying this fact too?

intelligent comment below:swangoatman: zepher: On top of that, they failed to secure the facility after the attack and untold amounts of top secret information fell into the hands of the enemy.

That was the mooslems in charge plan.

I'm sure the US had tons of secret information hidden away at a small temporary embassy in a country just coming out of a civil war that toppled a dictator. I bet the Libyans now know who killed JFK and the codes to the football

You mean the names and locations of Libyan operatives that were under US control and counterintelligence plans isn't enough for you?You have to go right for the nuclear launch codes?

zepher:intelligent comment below: swangoatman: zepher: On top of that, they failed to secure the facility after the attack and untold amounts of top secret information fell into the hands of the enemy.

That was the mooslems in charge plan.

I'm sure the US had tons of secret information hidden away at a small temporary embassy in a country just coming out of a civil war that toppled a dictator. I bet the Libyans now know who killed JFK and the codes to the football

You mean the names and locations of Libyan operatives that were under US control and counterintelligence plans isn't enough for you?You have to go right for the nuclear launch codes?

Your derp is showing.

So. You were there, have primary knowledge, and have now exposed to the world in general and Al Qaeda in particular the fact that the top-secret CIA NOC list was stored not in Langley Virginia (which would have required a very gay-bondage-themed-mission-impossible sequence) but in a shabby temporary store-front consulate in a town recently reclaimed by violent revolution from a cartoonish anti-American freakshow who made Michael Jackson seem almost on the verge of appearing to be normal.

You masturbate a lot after reading Tom Clancy too, not that there's anything wrong with that.

voristrupp:I worked extensively in north africa. our security is weak. has been for a decade. we knew benghazi was a security risk because there are al sides loyalists there who routinely attack foreign interests. the Italian consulate was attacked there a few years ago and we know about recurring problems, security should have been tighter.

But it is most important for internet warriors to explain how the Republicans failed

BuckTurgidson:So. You were there, have primary knowledge, and have now exposed to the world in general and Al Qaeda in particular the fact that the top-secret CIA NOC list was stored not in Langley Virginia (which would have required a very gay-bondage-themed-mission-impossible sequence) but in a shabby temporary store-front consulate in a town recently reclaimed by violent revolution from a cartoonish anti-American freakshow who made Michael Jackson seem almost on the verge of appearing to be normal.

You masturbate a lot after reading Tom Clancy too, not that there's anything wrong with that.

Not to mention the protesters in Syria and Egypt among others were very vocal about their outrage for the video. But this guy is also claiming the video didn't cause the protests. Obviously his reality is so detached for the rest of the world I think it's just better to pat him on the head and send him back to the padded room.

Nadie_AZ:All the GOP hears is 'Obama failed'. That's it. Now, if McCain had been in office, it would be a cacophonous defense of the President and how we need to stay the course and how Congress wasn't giving him the tools or the money to do what he needs to do- they would need to spend MORE money.

I want the election to end.

I really really REALLY would love single digit campaign seasons. I get how the majority can gain advantage when they can call the election date but STILL this sucks.

US - and my state - Reps are basically in 24/7 campaign mode more than 50% of their time in office. It sucks. Not as much as the '10 gerrymandering but pretty close. If you don't have a war chest you lose. So amass it as early as possible.

intelligent comment below:Brubold: Yeah it's totally the GOP's fault. This makes sense as the White House immediately went into attack mode over it instead of trying to cover up the story like they had made a huge mis....oh nm.

So you're saying they should have gone straight to blaming the Republicans for cutting the security budget? Is that your final answer?

I'd love to see them try that argument. They didn't because they know there's no substance to the argument. As has been pointed out, the budget for 2012 was much higher. It's not the Republicans' fault that the State Dept decided to spend the money elsewhere.

So instead of trying that the Obama administration kept trying to mislead us about what happened. Now it's all crashing down around Barry O's head and it didn't wait until after the election to happen like I'm sure he was hoping it would.

Anyone that thinks "clever" ads about Big Bird are going to save him in this election better wake up quick.

Brubold:intelligent comment below: Brubold: Yeah it's totally the GOP's fault. This makes sense as the White House immediately went into attack mode over it instead of trying to cover up the story like they had made a huge mis....oh nm.

So you're saying they should have gone straight to blaming the Republicans for cutting the security budget? Is that your final answer?

I'd love to see them try that argument. They didn't because they know there's no substance to the argument. As has been pointed out, the budget for 2012 was much higher. It's not the Republicans' fault that the State Dept decided to spend the money elsewhere.

So instead of trying that the Obama administration kept trying to mislead us about what happened. Now it's all crashing down around Barry O's head and it didn't wait until after the election to happen like I'm sure he was hoping it would.

Anyone that thinks "clever" ads about Big Bird are going to save him in this election better wake up quick.

They didn't because they know there's no substance to the argument

This is the difference today between the two parties.

One side knows not trot out some lame BS argument with no facts to support it.

The other side doubles down on that baseless argument and presents it as alternate reality fact to the rational world.

voristrupp:I worked extensively in north africa. our security is weak. has been for a decade. we knew benghazi was a security risk because there are al sides loyalists there who routinely attack foreign interests. the Italian consulate was attacked there a few years ago and we know about recurring problems, security should have been tighter.

posting from a basement on the outskirts of misrata, undercover for months. notified the obmma administration five years ago needed more security for consulate. we have retreated to the tombs. drums, drums from the deep ... they are coming ... aiieeee!!

Brubold:I'd love to see them try that argument. They didn't because they know there's no substance to the argument. As has been pointed out, the budget for 2012 was much higher. It's not the Republicans' fault that the State Dept decided to spend the money elsewhere.

"much higher" but enough to cover added security? You trolls seem to be making A LOT of unsubstantiated claims. Shocking I know

Brubold:So instead of trying that the Obama administration kept trying to mislead us about what happened. Now it's all crashing down around Barry O's head and it didn't wait until after the election to happen like I'm sure he was hoping it would.

What crashed down? Nothing did, because he could do nothing. It's not like there was a memo from CIA saying "imminent attack on embassy in Syria" now THAT would be embarrassing

I sure hope the media would show outrage over that, did they? I forget it was so long ago

Brubold:Anyone that thinks "clever" ads about Big Bird are going to save him in this election better wake up quick.

Yeah poor 0bama is only down to a 70% chance of winning and there are still 2 debates left. DANGER DANGER

voristrupp:I worked extensively in north africa. our security is weak. has been for a decade. we knew benghazi was a security risk because there are al sides loyalists there who routinely attack foreign interests. the Italian consulate was attacked there a few years ago and we know about recurring problems, security should have been tighter.

So then it's even MORE embarrassing for Republicans to have demanded less funding for the state department, right?

cman:1. What happened in Libya is not all the Obama admins fault. Yes, they take some of the blame for piss poor planning, and they are taking the heat for that.2. GOP, you cannot biatch about shiatty service when you are cutting corners in cost.3. This whole Libya thing is farking shiatty partisan bashing trying to one up the other side. farking stop it, please.

intelligent comment below:What crashed down? Nothing did, because he could do nothing. It's not like there was a memo from CIA saying "imminent attack on embassy in Syria" now THAT would be embarrassing

trotsky:Nadie_AZ: All the GOP hears is 'Obama failed'. That's it. Now, if McCain had been in office, it would be a cacophonous defense of the President and how we need to stay the course and how Congress wasn't giving him the tools or the money to do what he needs to do- they would need to spend MORE money.

I want the election to end.

I agree. I am so sick of the GOP and Mitt-farking-Romney constantly lying his sorry ass off over every issue. Then I hear a massive outpouring of derp from the morons on the right about something stupid. They refuse to debate with reason, they refuse to listen to facts, they rely on the echo chamber.

I was ready for it to end months ago.

You're lucky.

I work for a non profit. We're polling our supporters, vast majority financial supporters. A good 25%+ are Romney suppporters despite the fact that he'd back back or eliminate most of the things we've worked to accomplish over the past few years. That they've DONATED toward. Boggles the mind.

GAT_00:Also there was no money in the budget because once the GOP took over the House they massively cut the budget for protection of embassies.

If they didn't have the resources to defend the place why did they keep it open? When bureaucrats get caught screwing up one of their first excuses is "lack of funding"

FTA"We have 15,000 (security contractors) in Iraq, and we have a hard time having more than two dozen in Libya," Chaffetz said. "It doesn't seem to balance itself out right."

Would it hurt much to have shifted a mere 100 from Iraq to Libya or request a Marine FAST unit?

FTACharlene Lamb, wanted to keep the number of U.S. security personnel in Benghazi "artificially low," according to a memo

This explans it all. Some State Department bureaucrats feel a large security presence sends a message contrary to the one they want- that things are stable or not very dangerous. It is why the Army did not have the armor it wanted in Mogadishu, the ROE in Beruit was so restrictive before the bombing and why the State Deparment got so upset when Marines landed in Da Nang back in 1965 with tanks The State Department did not know that tanks are normally part of a Marine Expeditionary Unit and the Marines saw no reason to leave them behind)

HAMMERTOE:What exactly does increasing funding or drawing down security troops have to do with the factPARTISAN LIE that the current Administration forbid what security forces there were for having bullets?

Stop spreading and repeating lies./Whether you trolling or conspiracy wingnutting, fold that tinfoil hat until it's all corners and stick it where the sun doesn't shine.

Seriously. If you have a source that says that the Obama Admin didn't hire a British security firm because they agreed to the Admin's "weapon-free" policy, I'd love to see it more than you know. So far, every last thing I've read indicates that it's YOU whose lying. Sure, no Marines were killed. I never said any were. But somebody died, and it wasn't the terrorists. Once again, the disarmed become the pre-arranged victims.

Seriously. If you have a source that says that the Obama Admin didn't hire a British security firm because they agreed to the Admin's "weapon-free" policy, I'd love to see it more than you know. So far, every last thing I've read indicates that it's YOU whose lying. Sure, no Marines were killed. I never said any were. But somebody died, and it wasn't the terrorists. Once again, the disarmed become the pre-arranged victims.

Dear Dumbass,

The Second Amendment does not apply to US citizens in foreign countries. The DSS is armed - locked and loaded, even, as they are accredited diplomats. The local guards are armed - weapons and ammunition-, as they are locally accredited. If they are present, the Marines are armed - locked and loaded. US contractor personnel do not have immunity and must comply with the laws of the country to which they are assigned. If the law allows it and their positions require it, they, too, are armed.

Regards,demaL-"Red Forman"-demaLyeH

PS I hope all those corners hurt - I don't want to have to apply a foot to your ass.

Lt. Cheese Weasel:demaL-demaL-yeH: Lt. Cheese Weasel: ThrobblefootSpectre: It does seem like we could post better security in an area surrounded by jihadist nutjobs.

There are none. They love us, remember? We elected Obama and now we're friends.

Pictures on the internets. That closes this one. Get the lights. *facepalm* Moron.

Aaaand farkied.

Three of the four links go to articles, two of which addressed how the Libyans themselves (civilians, mind you) reacted to the attack. HINT: They shut down all the islamist militias in the area using whatever force they deemed necessary.I put in one link to pictures showing protesters carrying misspelt signs, believing that familiarity with that particular format would help you would comprehend more easily.