Meet the REAL Looters: "Merkel and Sarkozy Want £13 billion a year from UK taxpayers to save Euro

If there is no money how to do build? you get slaves. why should the people pay to rebuild government buildings if they are not needed? and if these
are privite buildings then the owners should rebuild them their selves not the tax payer. trust me if the government wanted to rebuild their buildings
they do they don't wait for the money.

This how the elite in power enslave nations around them with debt, so while the EU were able to do that to those under their wing, now that their
banskters are in trouble they most sell their own citizens to France and Germany in order for their own elites to keep thriving, guess what they will
do it, for greed they will sell their own citizens.

The EU is far more than that.

I think it is pretty shallow thinking just to see that. Try looking through non-bitter eyes.

We all know banksters are the worst low of the low, followed by politicans.

Sure they would love to control everything, and they will, with or without the EU, with or without Britain, lets not forget Britain was the most
controlling empire on the planet, look at the Queen and the royal family, the British Monarch is one of the biggest scum on the planet.

The Monarch and her family around Europe are KNEE DEEP in controlling it, it is not about Brussels controling it, the monarchs control it. The Empire
never went away, it just kept changing names, just like the Queen did.

I have no problem with paying taxes, but I do take exception to what happens to my taxes.

I have no regard or liking for the current party political system we have in the UK and believe radical reform is required.

This country has plenty of money, it's just obscenely unevenly distributed with the majority in the hands of an amoral and corrupt minority and the
financial system they support.
And that has indeed led to serious under investment.
But that is exacerbated with the added burden of a massive financial commitment to EU for which we receive very, very little in return.

It's time to withdraw from Europe and concentrate on our own problems, put back in place our border controls, and make Britain Great
again

Withdraw from Europe?

Europe is the UK's biggest trading partner.

We need Europe.

Also, they have nicer food

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"Europe is the UK's biggest trading partner."

That has nothing to do with this subject what so ever. If the UK were to withdraw from the EU you believe that trading would stop?, What happened
before the creation of the EU then?, Did none of us trade anything?.

Really think about what you just said, mate....that's a very weak argument!.

you still think you are going to easily export to Europe, think it through. If you still think that is going to solve your immegration problem, think
again. If you still think that is going to solve your mismanaged treasury budget, think again. If you still think that is going to solve your riots,
think again. But sure, lets play, Please leave europe COMPLETELY at ALL LEVELS. All those grants from Europe, GONE All that access to Galellio GPS,
GONE All that access to ESA, GONE All that exporting to Europe, tarrif Free, GONE All that freedom of movement, GONE All that cheap labour doing the
jobs you dont want to do, GONE All that chance to easily buy your properties in Spain, GONE All those human rights cases the Eeropean court upheld
against the UK, GONE

We're net contributors grants from Europe are our own money.
Galileo waste of money we'll just use US system.
We import much more from Europe than we export so tarrif away.
Cheap labour lol there are billions of people on the planet man power is not a problem.
Yeh like Spain would refuse rich British retirees treing to buy property.
Human rights cases like when they stopped us returning a bunch of hijackers. and anyway European court seperate from EU
We would save tens of billions a year without EU regulations and our net contribution.Your ludicrous list of benefits from the EU is pathetic thank
the Lord we didn't join the Currency the only shrewd decision Brown ever made.

I have no problem with paying taxes, but I do take exception to what happens to my taxes.

I have no regard or liking for the current party political system we have in the UK and believe radical reform is required.

This country has plenty of money, it's just obscenely unevenly distributed with the majority in the hands of an amoral and corrupt minority and the
financial system they support.
And that has indeed led to serious under investment.
But that is exacerbated with the added burden of a massive financial commitment to EU for which we receive very, very little in return.

But you do get a lot back, we all do.

It may not be streets named after you or money in your pocket but you get much back from it. those are called NON-TANGABLE benefits.

It's time to withdraw from Europe and concentrate on our own problems, put back in place our border controls, and make Britain Great
again

Withdraw from Europe?

Europe is the UK's biggest trading partner.

We need Europe.

Also, they have nicer food

edit on 18-8-2011 by Merigold because: Spelling error

"Europe is the UK's biggest trading partner."

That has nothing to do with this subject what so ever. If the UK were to withdraw from the EU you believe that trading would stop?, What happened
before the creation of the EU then?, Did none of us trade anything?.

Really think about what you just said, mate....that's a very weak argument!.

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Trade wouldnt stop, but it would get harder due to Tarrifs to trade into the EEA as an OUTSIDE country.

You would be uncompetitive and lose export business and those businesses that depend on that exports, would fail.

you still think you are going to easily export to Europe, think it through. If you still think that is going to solve your immegration problem, think
again. If you still think that is going to solve your mismanaged treasury budget, think again. If you still think that is going to solve your riots,
think again. But sure, lets play, Please leave europe COMPLETELY at ALL LEVELS. All those grants from Europe, GONE All that access to Galellio GPS,
GONE All that access to ESA, GONE All that exporting to Europe, tarrif Free, GONE All that freedom of movement, GONE All that cheap labour doing the
jobs you dont want to do, GONE All that chance to easily buy your properties in Spain, GONE All those human rights cases the Eeropean court upheld
against the UK, GONE

We're net contributors grants from Europe are our own money.
Galileo waste of money we'll just use US system.
We import much more from Europe than we export so tarrif away.
Cheap labour lol there are billions of people on the planet man power is not a problem.
Yeh like Spain would refuse rich British retirees treing to buy property.
Human rights cases like when they stopped us returning a bunch of hijackers. and anyway European court seperate from EU
We would save tens of billions a year without EU regulations and our net contribution.Your ludicrous list of benefits from the EU is pathetic thank
the Lord we didn't join the Currency the only shrewd decision Brown ever made.

A lot of people ignorantly forget that Europe has differnet levels of participation, EEA means they also align their laws as well as having access to
trading in europe without huge tarrifs as America and the rest do.

A lot of people ignorantly worship trade as god. Trade doesn't work for the people, the people work for the oligarchs. A lot of people ignorantly
don't even consider anything outside money and trade. That's what got us in this mess.

I don't think Iceland can go downhill any further lol, actually I think they did a good job of managing their bankruptcy.

Perhaps you should ask the Icelandic people what they think rather than presume.

Their bankruptcy. What about ours? UK has been bankrupt for decades. So has the US. How come? Where has all the money gone? Why are we paying
billions each year in interest to a private banking cabal?

Frankly I see two choices.

1) Run away crying

2) Get in there and do something , Europe is a power house, you can choose to be a player or be on the outside looking in.

Europe is a cess pit of corruption. What is power? Power for whom? Power over whom? Power to do what? Make more money for the oligarchs? Wage more
wars? Make the corporations bigger and richer? Kill millions of innocent people on the planet?

Stop the horses here, I am looking at Germany and France markets they are low just like anybody else, perhaps France in more trouble than Germany, why
are Germany and France calling the shots on how to fix the Euro, they are not better than the rest of theh EU.

Originally posted by marg6043
Stop the horses here, I am looking at Germany and France markets they are low just like anybody else, perhaps France in more trouble than Germany, why
are Germany and France calling the shots on how to fix the Euro, they are not better than the rest of theh EU.

So where the money is going to come from, the IMF?

Can somebody answer that.

You're in the US, don't you have your own problems to deal with or are you going to tell us how to fix ours too?

I suspect the one person who wants out far more than anyone has expressed on this thread so far is actually Mrs Merkel herself. If she could extract
the German economy from the rest of Europe she would be very pleased.

You're making the fact that some Brits want to leave Europe very personal, which it isn't.

The fact is that with keeping that £40 million per day or £14.6 Billion per year here, we would be able to regenerate our run down areas, invest in
new business and technology and stop our borders being abused by illegal immigration.

The effect of some EU policies on things like farming etc and even down to the ludicrous mountain of red tape and regulation hasn't benefitted this
country. We have been hampered by Eurocrats, sitting at their desks qualifying their existence with items such as health and safety, whereby our kids
are barely allowed to play in the playground today.

With that investment and British ingenuity even Germany will be queuing up to trade with us. Like Germany we have done this act before and will
succeed againl.

You are in ATS the last time I check we are all from all over the world, taking into consideration that the markets in the EU will affect the US and
vice versa thanks to the free trade and globalization and let no forget that the IMF sole biggest contributor are the US tax payer, I have as
much interest on see where my tax dollars are going as you with your tax dollars.

Originally posted by marg6043
Stop the horses here, I am looking at Germany and France markets they are low just like anybody else, perhaps France in more trouble than Germany, why
are Germany and France calling the shots on how to fix the Euro, they are not better than the rest of theh EU.

So where the money is going to come from, the IMF?

Can somebody answer that.

Exactly. These people have proven themselves totally incompetent. It's all just a smoke screen, they are simply playing their assigned roles in
advancing the NWO agenda.

The definition of insanity? Keep doing what you've always done and expect a different result.

They have wrecked most European countries. Are we now going to allow them to finish the job?

At what interest rate? Or is there no interest? Businesses with a poor credit rating don't get loans why should countries, help the French again.???
When have they ever thanked us for saving them, I say non!

I suspect the one person who wants out far more than anyone has expressed on this thread so far is actually Mrs Merkel herself. If she could extract
the German economy from the rest of Europe she would be very pleased.

You're making the fact that some Brits want to leave Europe very personal, which it isn't.

The fact is that with keeping that £40 million per day or £14.6 Billion per year here, we would be able to regenerate our run down areas, invest in
new business and technology and stop our borders being abused by illegal immigration.

The effect of some EU policies on things like farming etc and even down to the ludicrous mountain of red tape and regulation hasn't benefitted this
country. We have been hampered by Eurocrats, sitting at their desks qualifying their existence with items such as health and safety, whereby our kids
are barely allowed to play in the playground today.

With that investment and British ingenuity even Germany will be queuing up to trade with us. Like Germany we have done this act before and will
succeed againl.

I never said trade would stop, I just said it would get more expensive to trade with EEA members if you are outside the EEA.

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