Comments on: BRAIN initiative report lists detailed research prioritieshttp://www.kurzweilai.net/brain-initiative-report-lists-detailed-research-priorities
Accelerating IntelligenceTue, 03 Mar 2015 17:18:15 +0000hourly1http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1By: Charles Baileyhttp://www.kurzweilai.net/brain-initiative-report-lists-detailed-research-priorities/comment-page-1#comment-241644
Charles BaileyThu, 12 Dec 2013 22:20:40 +0000http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=207268#comment-241644Mike...I agree, all of the pieces are important and the feedback is critical. And parsing or ignoring a part of the whole collapses the global space to local by definition..CharlesMike…I agree, all of the pieces are important and the feedback is critical. And parsing or ignoring a part of the whole collapses the global space to local by definition..Charles
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Charles BaileyThu, 12 Dec 2013 22:12:04 +0000http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=207268#comment-241643More like woo-hoo "global" versus local. Sumadi, it seems likely that imagination and non-local are context and frame-of-reference dependent. Deliberate external referencing to nonequilibrium domain constraints establishes plausible non-local "global" descriptions. Global is distinguished from local internally referenced descriptions that are subjectively grounded. That is, local and non-local global terms are language dependent relative to their frame of reference (see Mind Code). CharlesMore like woo-hoo “global” versus local. Sumadi, it seems likely that imagination and non-local are context and frame-of-reference dependent. Deliberate external referencing to nonequilibrium domain constraints establishes plausible non-local “global” descriptions. Global is distinguished from local internally referenced descriptions that are subjectively grounded. That is, local and non-local global terms are language dependent relative to their frame of reference (see Mind Code). Charles
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Michael ZeldichFri, 11 Oct 2013 03:19:27 +0000http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=207268#comment-225798Charles, I did not " forget that brains are a part of the body". That advice should be directed to researchers studying functioning of a brain without referencing to functions of a body. Actually yours statements are based on believes that a coding of information about the events in the environment is taking place in a brain. For me it is important to show that this information is reaching a brain, before one could speculate about the ways of processing that information in a brain.
Best, MikeCharles, I did not ” forget that brains are a part of the body”. That advice should be directed to researchers studying functioning of a brain without referencing to functions of a body. Actually yours statements are based on believes that a coding of information about the events in the environment is taking place in a brain. For me it is important to show that this information is reaching a brain, before one could speculate about the ways of processing that information in a brain.
Best, Mike
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Charles BaileyFri, 11 Oct 2013 02:45:20 +0000http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=207268#comment-225794Michael
Yes, I agree that the body is important and so is language. Don't forget that brains are a part of the body. We use language to understand the body, the brain, behavior, and the physical world. If we ignore the importance of understanding the natural language code that we are using, how do we know that we are not using corrupted language. Understanding language is too important to ignore, because the language we use influences the way we think. How can we crack the brain code if we are ignorant of the natural language code that we are thinking with? It seem like we are taking language for granted. Charles BaileyMichael
Yes, I agree that the body is important and so is language. Don’t forget that brains are a part of the body. We use language to understand the body, the brain, behavior, and the physical world. If we ignore the importance of understanding the natural language code that we are using, how do we know that we are not using corrupted language. Understanding language is too important to ignore, because the language we use influences the way we think. How can we crack the brain code if we are ignorant of the natural language code that we are thinking with? It seem like we are taking language for granted. Charles Bailey
]]>By: Michael Zeldichhttp://www.kurzweilai.net/brain-initiative-report-lists-detailed-research-priorities/comment-page-1#comment-225784
Michael ZeldichFri, 11 Oct 2013 01:12:12 +0000http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=207268#comment-225784Dear Charles, for finding an answer to that question you have to go beyond a brain. Mind is the way how we are perceiving the feedback from the vocal apparatus.Dear Charles, for finding an answer to that question you have to go beyond a brain. Mind is the way how we are perceiving the feedback from the vocal apparatus.
]]>By: Charles Baileyhttp://www.kurzweilai.net/brain-initiative-report-lists-detailed-research-priorities/comment-page-1#comment-225378
Charles BaileyWed, 09 Oct 2013 20:18:47 +0000http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=207268#comment-225378How do we go about understanding the brain while ignoring how natural language influences the way we think. In other words, the team of experts failed to acknowledge the importance of breaking the language code in order to make sense of the mind code. How many million will they charge to break the language code that defines the human mind? Charles E. Bailey, M.D., author, "Mind Code: How the Language We Use Influences the Way We Think."How do we go about understanding the brain while ignoring how natural language influences the way we think. In other words, the team of experts failed to acknowledge the importance of breaking the language code in order to make sense of the mind code. How many million will they charge to break the language code that defines the human mind? Charles E. Bailey, M.D., author, “Mind Code: How the Language We Use Influences the Way We Think.”
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Michael ZeldichFri, 20 Sep 2013 22:04:35 +0000http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=207268#comment-202517Last April, the neuroscience community erupted in a flurry of speculation when President Barack Obama announced the Brain Research through Advancing Innovative Neurotechnologies (BRAIN) Initiative—a proposed $110 million investment in neuroscience research. To hammer out a plan for its $40 million contribution, the National Institutes of Health (NIH) recruited 15 top scientists to identify research priorities. Yesterday, after a summer of meetings and discussion, the scientific team released its first attempt to put some meat on the bones of the project.
The lists of nine top research priorities, all geared toward developing tools to help scientists understanding how linked “circuits” of neurons work together, to produce behaviors such as emotion, for example could be found there: http://acd.od.nih.gov/presentations/BRAIN-Interim-Report-Executive-Summary.pdf
The most interesting are the first two:
Although we emphasize that this is an interim report, which will develop with much additional
advice before June 2014, certain themes have already emerged that should become core
principles for the NIH BRAIN Initiative.
1. Use appropriate experimental system and models. The goal is to understand the human
brain, but many methods and ideas will be developed first in animal models.
Experiments should take advantage of the unique strengths of diverse animal systems.
2. Cross boundaries in interdisciplinary collaborations. No single researcher or discovery
will crack the brain's code. The most exciting approaches will bridge fields, linking
experiment to theory, biology to engineering, tool development to experimental
application, human neuroscience to non-human models, and more, in innovative ways.
We could see that a body as the object for the functional study is missing there.
However, without taking body into account no one will be able to solve the problems outlined in the list.
For example, the problem of relation between thought and a matter cannot be understood, without taking into consideration that so-called "thoughts" are merely a perception of a feedback from articulation muscles, which are the part of a body, not a brain.Last April, the neuroscience community erupted in a flurry of speculation when President Barack Obama announced the Brain Research through Advancing Innovative Neurotechnologies (BRAIN) Initiative—a proposed $110 million investment in neuroscience research. To hammer out a plan for its $40 million contribution, the National Institutes of Health (NIH) recruited 15 top scientists to identify research priorities. Yesterday, after a summer of meetings and discussion, the scientific team released its first attempt to put some meat on the bones of the project.
The lists of nine top research priorities, all geared toward developing tools to help scientists understanding how linked “circuits” of neurons work together, to produce behaviors such as emotion, for example could be found there: http://acd.od.nih.gov/presentations/BRAIN-Interim-Report-Executive-Summary.pdf
The most interesting are the first two:
Although we emphasize that this is an interim report, which will develop with much additional
advice before June 2014, certain themes have already emerged that should become core
principles for the NIH BRAIN Initiative.
1. Use appropriate experimental system and models. The goal is to understand the human
brain, but many methods and ideas will be developed first in animal models.
Experiments should take advantage of the unique strengths of diverse animal systems.
2. Cross boundaries in interdisciplinary collaborations. No single researcher or discovery
will crack the brain’s code. The most exciting approaches will bridge fields, linking
experiment to theory, biology to engineering, tool development to experimental
application, human neuroscience to non-human models, and more, in innovative ways.
We could see that a body as the object for the functional study is missing there.
However, without taking body into account no one will be able to solve the problems outlined in the list.
For example, the problem of relation between thought and a matter cannot be understood, without taking into consideration that so-called “thoughts” are merely a perception of a feedback from articulation muscles, which are the part of a body, not a brain.
]]>By: JTPetehttp://www.kurzweilai.net/brain-initiative-report-lists-detailed-research-priorities/comment-page-1#comment-200181
JTPeteWed, 18 Sep 2013 14:31:19 +0000http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=207268#comment-200181“Non-local consciousness” is that the same as “Woo-woo woo” ?“Non-local consciousness” is that the same as “Woo-woo woo” ?
]]>By: Sumadihttp://www.kurzweilai.net/brain-initiative-report-lists-detailed-research-priorities/comment-page-1#comment-200176
SumadiWed, 18 Sep 2013 13:44:39 +0000http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=207268#comment-200176It is interesting that we can find the place in our brain which is activated, involving imagination. This does mean however that we still do not know the relationship between non-local consciousness and imagination.It is interesting that we can find the place in our brain which is activated, involving imagination. This does mean however that we still do not know the relationship between non-local consciousness and imagination.
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