I see NO WAY the Pistons take another PG............they will deal it, or take someone else.

The Wolves desire to trade "up" is a smokescreen.

As far as we go............I'm not sold on Shabazz...Gobert may be another Melo type project....let's go with the Russian Shooter.....Karasev, whose stock is rising, or a safe pick like Plumlee, Olynk or Dieng!

Bill Russell won more NBA titles with the Boston Celtics than Wilt, Kareem and Shaq COMBINED did as Lakers!!

Based on the guys Chad Ford has left, I'd be thrilled with Shabazz falling to Boston. Jamaal Franklin is a guy I really like. High motor. Led his team basically in every statistical category. I'd be okay with him too. Gobert is really raw, and Boston already has a project in Melo. Giannis is just as raw, faced mediocre competition, but is EXTREMELY intriguing. Lots of size and length. Good top speed, but takes a bit to get there (first step isn't great). Ricky Ledo is unproven. Sergey is interesting. Watched some of his highlights this morning. Very good passer for a guy that size and that young. Quick jumper. I know most people want the C's to draft a big, but I'm not a huge fan of Dieng. Certainly has some ability, but I don't think he's a game changer. Shabazz has a much higher ceiling. Olynyk is pretty intriguing. Huge jump this year at Gonzaga. Can really stretch the floor for a 7-footer. I'd prolly pick him over Dieng.

I would rather have PG Shroeder and trade Rondo, Lee and Bass for Big Al and a player.

Big Al is 27, same as Lee, Green, Bass and Rondo. You make a trade for Big Al it is so he can play with Rondo and Green as the future 3 you build around. Make one run with KG, PP and Terry, then go younger.

If you were going to trade Rondo and draft Schroeder, who is 1 year away from deserving a rotation spot and at least 2 oaway from being a starter, then you trade RR for a lotto pick and/or future young blue chipper in the 20-25 age range to put with Bradley and Sully. Trade KG/PP for similar players.

Good points but I'm not sure we can sign Big Al without giving up Rondo. Shroeder is Rondo's replacement. So for at least one year we go with

Based on the guys Chad Ford has left, I'd be thrilled with Shabazz falling to Boston. Jamaal Franklin is a guy I really like. High motor. Led his team basically in every statistical category. I'd be okay with him too. Gobert is really raw, and Boston already has a project in Melo. Giannis is just as raw, faced mediocre competition, but is EXTREMELY intriguing. Lots of size and length. Good top speed, but takes a bit to get there (first step isn't great). Ricky Ledo is unproven. Sergey is interesting. Watched some of his highlights this morning. Very good passer for a guy that size and that young. Quick jumper. I know most people want the C's to draft a big, but I'm not a huge fan of Dieng. Certainly has some ability, but I don't think he's a game changer. Shabazz has a much higher ceiling. Olynyk is pretty intriguing. Huge jump this year at Gonzaga. Can really stretch the floor for a 7-footer. I'd prolly pick him over Dieng.

I would usually shy away from guys with a history like Muhammad but I dont think you can pass up taking someone at 16 that has his level of talent. It also could create some match up problems if he can play the 2 along side Green, which is also why I'm really pro Jamaal. Great work ethic, crazy athlete, solid stroke, can play 2/3, and I still cant imagine Muhammad will actually be availible at 16 so I think he is a more likely possibility. As far as bigs, the Celtics are just in a bad position to get talent. Plumblee who they just worked out, Dieng, or Olynyk look like late 1st talent. If Danny was dead set on drafting more size he would be better off trying to trade down for multiple 2nd's and take someone like Jaiteh who is 18 with a HUGE frame (grew from 6-9 to 6-11 just last year) but has ridiculous potential. In that scenario the other pick could go to someone like Jame Ennis (another freak athlete that can play both 2 and 3) or James Southerland (huge 2 with a 7'1" wingspan that has one of the best catch and shoot 3s in college).

Based on the guys Chad Ford has left, I'd be thrilled with Shabazz falling to Boston. Jamaal Franklin is a guy I really like. High motor. Led his team basically in every statistical category. I'd be okay with him too. Gobert is really raw, and Boston already has a project in Melo. Giannis is just as raw, faced mediocre competition, but is EXTREMELY intriguing. Lots of size and length. Good top speed, but takes a bit to get there (first step isn't great). Ricky Ledo is unproven. Sergey is interesting. Watched some of his highlights this morning. Very good passer for a guy that size and that young. Quick jumper. I know most people want the C's to draft a big, but I'm not a huge fan of Dieng. Certainly has some ability, but I don't think he's a game changer. Shabazz has a much higher ceiling. Olynyk is pretty intriguing. Huge jump this year at Gonzaga. Can really stretch the floor for a 7-footer. I'd prolly pick him over Dieng.

I read Shabazz is six four and half without shoes. Awfully small for a forward. Can he play shooting guard?

He has a 6'11" wingspan, so that helps make up for the fact that he is on the smaller side. I'd have no problem putting him at the 2 (might be better suited there). The only problem for him is going to be defense, which Boston takes pride in. But he is a great scorer and pretty athletic.

Based on the guys Chad Ford has left, I'd be thrilled with Shabazz falling to Boston. Jamaal Franklin is a guy I really like. High motor. Led his team basically in every statistical category. I'd be okay with him too. Gobert is really raw, and Boston already has a project in Melo. Giannis is just as raw, faced mediocre competition, but is EXTREMELY intriguing. Lots of size and length. Good top speed, but takes a bit to get there (first step isn't great). Ricky Ledo is unproven. Sergey is interesting. Watched some of his highlights this morning. Very good passer for a guy that size and that young. Quick jumper. I know most people want the C's to draft a big, but I'm not a huge fan of Dieng. Certainly has some ability, but I don't think he's a game changer. Shabazz has a much higher ceiling. Olynyk is pretty intriguing. Huge jump this year at Gonzaga. Can really stretch the floor for a 7-footer. I'd prolly pick him over Dieng.

Agree with most of this.

Olynyk would be good for a contender with a defensive minded Center, like what Boston ran out there the last 2 seasons. He'd like a Krstic. If we are rebuilding i don't want him though. he'd a liability on D and a rotation/backup player at best. Dieng is the same player only a defense as his strength type.

Both guys whould help plug a 10-15 minute a game hole for a contender. Both are 23 and limited on one side of the ball.

If Muhammad is gone than Karasev would be a great move. We need smart players who can play on both sides of the ball and if he averaged 18 points in Russia at age 19 while being compared to Kukoc, that is pretty impressive. I bet you Krstic didn't average 18 in Russia last year.

Muhammad gets compared to guys like Nick Young (b/c they are both 6'6" selfish shooters) and Delonte West (both lefties with questionable attitudes/mental make-ups). While I think his ceiling is big enough to wasil;y warrent taking him at 16, I'd still be nervous we'd get another Gerald Green or Kederick Brown bust.

Lot's of good stuff here. I think we're both on the same page (which might be a first for me on this forum). I was turned onto Karasev this morning and was extremely impressed with his tape the first time through. I was expecting another AK-47, but he's definitely a different animal. Smooth jumper, good mechanics, but I will admit I didn't get a chance to see his range (not sure if there was any in the tape or if I missed it because I was still in awe of his passing ability). His mechanics look like they would translate to the three-point line. I wouldn't be disappointed with the pick.

I like the Gerald Green comp for Muhammed, but he's a better shooter. Similar athleticism though. Nick Young is what the scouts are comparing him too, and I wouldn't mind if he panned out that way. I would probably go Muhammed, pending who is still on the board.

I am a firm believer of taking best player available here since most of the big men in this draft are either once sided (Olynyk, Dieng, Whithey) or extremely raw (Gobert, Adams). Top-three I think Boston could hope for at that point, I think, will be Muhammed, Franklin, or Karasev. I'd be happy with any of those guys.

Based on the guys Chad Ford has left, I'd be thrilled with Shabazz falling to Boston. Jamaal Franklin is a guy I really like. High motor. Led his team basically in every statistical category. I'd be okay with him too. Gobert is really raw, and Boston already has a project in Melo. Giannis is just as raw, faced mediocre competition, but is EXTREMELY intriguing. Lots of size and length. Good top speed, but takes a bit to get there (first step isn't great). Ricky Ledo is unproven. Sergey is interesting. Watched some of his highlights this morning. Very good passer for a guy that size and that young. Quick jumper. I know most people want the C's to draft a big, but I'm not a huge fan of Dieng. Certainly has some ability, but I don't think he's a game changer. Shabazz has a much higher ceiling. Olynyk is pretty intriguing. Huge jump this year at Gonzaga. Can really stretch the floor for a 7-footer. I'd prolly pick him over Dieng.

Allen Crabbe was Pac-10 POY over Muhammad who shared the ROY award. He's taller, slightly wider wingspan, and doesn't come with as many question marks, except is this the type of player the Celtics need to draft? I'm not saying they don't need a shooter but will they go for either player at 16? Kinda depends on what bigs might slip.

Based on the guys Chad Ford has left, I'd be thrilled with Shabazz falling to Boston. Jamaal Franklin is a guy I really like. High motor. Led his team basically in every statistical category. I'd be okay with him too. Gobert is really raw, and Boston already has a project in Melo. Giannis is just as raw, faced mediocre competition, but is EXTREMELY intriguing. Lots of size and length. Good top speed, but takes a bit to get there (first step isn't great). Ricky Ledo is unproven. Sergey is interesting. Watched some of his highlights this morning. Very good passer for a guy that size and that young. Quick jumper. I know most people want the C's to draft a big, but I'm not a huge fan of Dieng. Certainly has some ability, but I don't think he's a game changer. Shabazz has a much higher ceiling. Olynyk is pretty intriguing. Huge jump this year at Gonzaga. Can really stretch the floor for a 7-footer. I'd prolly pick him over Dieng.

So what makes you thrilled about Shabazz? How often have you seen him and what did you see in him?

Based on the guys Chad Ford has left, I'd be thrilled with Shabazz falling to Boston. Jamaal Franklin is a guy I really like. High motor. Led his team basically in every statistical category. I'd be okay with him too. Gobert is really raw, and Boston already has a project in Melo. Giannis is just as raw, faced mediocre competition, but is EXTREMELY intriguing. Lots of size and length. Good top speed, but takes a bit to get there (first step isn't great). Ricky Ledo is unproven. Sergey is interesting. Watched some of his highlights this morning. Very good passer for a guy that size and that young. Quick jumper. I know most people want the C's to draft a big, but I'm not a huge fan of Dieng. Certainly has some ability, but I don't think he's a game changer. Shabazz has a much higher ceiling. Olynyk is pretty intriguing. Huge jump this year at Gonzaga. Can really stretch the floor for a 7-footer. I'd prolly pick him over Dieng.

So what makes you thrilled about Shabazz? How often have you seen him and what did you see in him?

Let me first say that this is a weak draft and I don't see too much high-end talent where the Celtics are picking. There are a whole bunch of different options that could play out, maybe someone falls. Who knows. But....

Shabazz has a much higher ceiling than most guys left by the time Boston picks. I don't think Schroeder will be there (if Dallas trades out, there's a better shot of that happening). PG is not a deep position in this draft (Marcus Smart going back to OSU was a game-changer) so I think the odds of Dennis being available there are slim. Guys similar to him like Crabbe, Hardaway Jr, Jamaal Franklin, Reggie Bullock are good players but their ceilings aren't as high. He's more proven than the Euro guys and won't take as long to develop.

In terms of what I've seen from him that I've liked: Extremely good pick-and-roll player. Really deadly if you leave him. Really good catch-and-shoot ability. Can finish strong through contact. Can work on his dribble-drive game a little bit. Extremely athletic. Good leaping ability. For a two-guard he's a good rebounder. Not sure he could be a sure-fire three. Could be better in isolation. Needs to work on his defense. Dion Waiters was small too, but I think he'll pan out just fine. He also had similar attitude issues. I think getting Shabazz on a veteran team with Doc could help him there.

When you aren't a quick guard, you need outstanding handle and shooting ability to be good. Shabazz has neither.

You mention Curry, Hardaway Jr, and Crabbe. I wouldn't take Curry. He's too small. He'd have to be a PG at a whopping 6'1". Guy can shoot, no question, but Rivers was a better prospect than Seth. Shabazz had a better 3-point percentage than Hardaway Jr and Crabbe (38, 37, 35 respectfully). In terms of handles, none of them have extraordinary skills. All could be better off the dribble, but again I come back to Shabazz because I know he can score off the dribble better than the other two.

I'll reiderate what I said....this is a weak draft. I'm not sure what you're looking for in terms of talent, but Shabazz has as much as anyone left after the top-6/7.

He's an inferior shooter compared to the guys you mentioned and THAT makes all the difference. You ever play your heart out and lose because the other team had better shooters? It sux.

The percentage argument always has to be looked at in context of volume of shots. 1-2 looks great statistically but I prefer someone that shot 7-16 from 3 because its 7 3's instead of just one.

But wouldn't you think scoring more points (572 - Bazz, 552 - Hardaway, 607 - Crabbe) in less minutes (987 - Bazz, 1324 - Hardaway, 1195 - Crabbe) make a more efficient scorer? I understand the argument when guys have a small sample size, but these numbers are over the course of a full season. As far as inferior, I'm not sure what numbers suggest that. All three shot roughtly 45% from the field with roughly the same amount of attempts (456 - Bazz, 460 Hardaway, 468 - Crabbe). You're going to knock Shabazz for outside shooting because he took 80 less threes? Because that's the major difference between all three guys when you break down the numbers.