It may be a little too early say this yet. I would give then till about week 5 tops and see how things are going then. I was hoping Brady would step right back where he was but I guess he is human after all. Will take a few games for all the new guys to gel.

The Patriots will be there in the end. As Brady gets his rhythm back and the offense starts to gel they are going to score points. The defense is a work in progress but should improve over time. AFC East always beats each other up. Last year the Pats went 11 and 5 and did not make the playoffs go figure.

I know you Jet fans are eating this up but don't forget they're still the Jets and they still need to travel to Foxborough.

Sunday was horrible to watch... If Edelman didn't drop that pass in the red zone (end of 2nd qtr) it's a different story and we wouldn't think the Pats were *so* rusty (just a *little* rusty)

The Jets look really good on D, but a lot of the Pats' offense was a combo of Brady-rust, DROPPED PASSES (looking at you Galloway...Edelman...) and the fact that *Brady's most go-to receiver (WES WELKER) was watching from the sidelines. That dude Revis that covered Moss is really good (although I gotta say Moss looked flat - especially on that INT...) but I don't think the Jets could cover both him *and* Welker... I am 99% confident the outcome would have been different with him in.

I hope the D will figure it out. Once Mayo is back, Brady will be back to form (hope fully he'll be back in form sooner than Mayo's return!) and the Pats will run off the last 7 or 8.

Atlanta will be a good test to see how these Pats bounce back from a loss (Can we get a leaked video of Bill going off on them in the meeting room?)

(Can we get a leaked video of Bill going off on them in the meeting room?)

Funny how some are ofended when a famous drummer dresses down someone on stage but it seems to be OK for Bobby Knight and Bill Parcells to curse out and totally humiliate an athlete in front of millions of viewers on national TV.

Funny how some are ofended when a famous drummer dresses down someone on stage but it seems to be OK for Bobby Knight and Bill Parcells to curse out and totally humiliate an athlete in front of millions of viewers on national TV.

I have no problem with coaches screaming at their players. Especially if the players are multi-millionaires. If they're still in school...yeah, still don't care. Grow a pair and buck up, I say.

Now..when *parents* yell at their kids (or other kids) from the sidelines...I find it really sad, and in some cases, really funny.

I have no problem with coaches screaming at their players. Especially if the players are multi-millionaires. If they're still in school...yeah, still don't care. Grow a pair and buck up, I say.

Now..when *parents* yell at their kids (or other kids) from the sidelines...I find it really sad, and in some cases, really funny.

Completely agree...

Imagine an owner during a game laying into a player....that would be a first.
If Romo has another game like last week in front of 100,000 unhappy fans I could see Jerry on the sidelines givin him the bizness.

Sunday was horrible to watch... If Edelman didn't drop that pass in the red zone (end of 2nd qtr) it's a different story and we wouldn't think the Pats were *so* rusty (just a *little* rusty)

The Jets look really good on D, but a lot of the Pats' offense was a combo of Brady-rust, DROPPED PASSES (looking at you Galloway...Edelman...) and the fact that *Brady's most go-to receiver (WES WELKER) was watching from the sidelines. That dude Revis that covered Moss is really good (although I gotta say Moss looked flat - especially on that INT...) but I don't think the Jets could cover both him *and* Welker... I am 99% confident the outcome would have been different with him in.

I hope the D will figure it out. Once Mayo is back, Brady will be back to form (hope fully he'll be back in form sooner than Mayo's return!) and the Pats will run off the last 7 or 8.

Atlanta will be a good test to see how these Pats bounce back from a loss (Can we get a leaked video of Bill going off on them in the meeting room?)

Get over it! They lost to the Jets and should of lost to the Bills. Every year is a new year.....I dont care if everyone on the team is the same. New year......New team!

Get over it! They lost to the Jets and should of lost to the Bills. Every year is a new year.....I dont care if everyone on the team is the same. New year......New team!

Get over it? What a douchey post. And if everyone on the team was the same, it wouldn't be "New team!"...

We beat the Falcons pretty handidly, even with Galloway looking like he's never played WR, and Brady still not clicking 100%. Nice test coming into town this weekend. Also excited for Jets/Saints (come on Saints!) and Packers/Vikings (of my two football-viewing close friends, one owns stock in the Packers and the other is from Minnesota and a HUGE fan of all things Minny)

I think the Lions win 6 games. I put the Rams and Dolphins at the bottom of the pack. And I hope Al Davis makes 3 more trades with my Pats this year!

If Jeff Garcia got signed by the Raiders they'd win 4-5 games. Russell is HORRIBLE. I think it's safe to say the experiment is over.

I've been saying the Lions will not be the worst team.

Russell is setting new levels of horrid, but Garcia has made it pretty clear HE didn't want to be in Oakland anymore, and I doubt they'll re-sign after the comments he made about the Raiders this week.

so an early question, which 4-0 team is for real and which folds down the road?

you may laugh, but i think the Vikings are the best undefeated team right now, great D, outstanding running back and #4 throwing the ball, but will they hold up in the tough games against the elite teams down the stretch? i think the Giants have a better chance at the playoffs, solid running, great D and a great young quarterback, go Giant's!!!

the Broncos are not for real, not even close, defense has saved a lame offense all four games, the opponents have'nt been much either, they will not last...

i just hope Eli takes care of the foot and Peyton's D can manage the 30 some minutes a game on the field further along the road...

and as far as surprising 0-4 teams go, no question really, but what the hell did happen to the Titans?!?!?! 13 and 3 to oh and 4, how?

Yes the Giants and the Saints seem to be the class of the NFC but its still early.

And the league needs to stop with the Brady special treatment...those personal foul calls were a joke...love Ray Ray's post game comments "Brady take off that skirt man!"

The Revenge of Brett Favre part one of two is tonight.
Should be fun!

Dude it's not just against Brady give me a break. The same crap got called against the Pats in that game too, and they are called in every game not just for Brady. The difference was the Pats caught the ball in crunch time and ravens did not. Players whining about the ref's always looks cheesy IMO. especially one who should be in prison for murder.

Pretty much dead on with that one mfb, but I made a point to not respond to this moron's posts anymore (not that I am the 1st or the last) in fact he is on my ignore list as of right now. Life is to short to argue with a child.

Dude it's not just against Brady give me a break. The same crap got called against the Pats in that game too, and they are called in every game not just for Brady. The difference was the Pats caught the ball in crunch time and ravens did not. Players whining about the ref's always looks cheesy IMO. especially one who should be in prison for murder.

Yes they are calling alot of BS personal fouls on QBs all over the league however because of Bradys injury last year and the league trying to protect him this year seems to have started most of this nonsense.

Why was he lobbying for the call knowing he didn't even get touched. Farve, Romo, Manning takes their hits like a man. He comes across as a premadonna...

Good game by Favre last night, but I still agree with Kornheiser that I think his age may catch up with him around week 11 or so.

Top 5 teams through week 4 IMO

1)Colts--Looking like the Colts of 2 years ago...scary
2)Giants--I thought they would take a step back but Eli is proving himself
3)Patriots--Looking better every week, the def. is better than anyone expected so far
4)Vikings-- If Favre can hold out they could be SB bound
5)Steelers---Always scary, being 2-2 has just ticked them off they will rattle off 5 in a row

Obviously not based off of record alone. Saints have looked this good this early before so I have to see them sustain a little longer, broncos have a lot to prove, jets are ready to break into my top 5 very soon, especially with their next 4 games against Oak, the Bills and fins. can you say 8-2 heading into foxboro? : )

Yes they are calling alot of BS personal fouls on QBs all over the league however because of Bradys injury last year and the league trying to protect him this year seems to have started most of this nonsense.

Why was he lobbying for the call knowing he didn't even get touched. Farve, Romo, Manning takes their hits like a man. He comes across as a premadonna...

And yes I'm hatin!

Your kidding right? You telling me Brady is the only one who lobby's for calls? I know all the hoopla about it is just because he is Brady and they are the Pats and everyone was so looking forward to the downfall this year especially after the 1st 2 weeks of the season and now that they are winning close games again everyone is mad. well I dont know what to tell ya bro but this is probably gonna be another ring : )

I know your hating it's all good, we are quite used to it by now. every week it's something new that the evil pats did yet they win again.What can I say I love em and you should too : )

1)Colts--Looking like the Colts of 2 years ago...scary
2)Giants--I thought they would take a step back but Eli is proving himself
3)Patriots--Looking better every week, the def. is better than anyone expected so far
4)Vikings-- If Favre can hold out they could be SB bound
5)Steelers---Always scary, being 2-2 has just ticked them off they will rattle off 5 in a row

Agree with all except with Minny....He got off to a fast start last year...lets see if he can take a hit late in the season when his 40 year old body is worn down.

Ravens and Saints are contenders too...Broncos and 49ers are just pretenders.

Good game by Favre last night, but I still agree with Kornheiser that I think his age may catch up with him around week 11 or so.

Top 5 teams through week 4 IMO

1)Colts--Looking like the Colts of 2 years ago...scary
2)Giants--I thought they would take a step back but Eli is proving himself
3)Patriots--Looking better every week, the def. is better than anyone expected so far
4)Vikings-- If Favre can hold out they could be SB bound
5)Steelers---Always scary, being 2-2 has just ticked them off they will rattle off 5 in a row

Obviously not based off of record alone. Saints have looked this good this early before so I have to see them sustain a little longer, broncos have a lot to prove, jets are ready to break into my top 5 very soon, especially with their next 4 games against Oak, the Bills and fins. can you say 8-2 heading into foxboro? : )

Pretty much dead on with that one mfb, but I made a point to not respond to this moron's posts anymore (not that I am the 1st or the last) in fact he is on my ignore list as of right now. Life is to short to argue with a child.

I'm really glad that after everything that we've argued over, that we can agree over ONE thing. That's fantastic!

Agree with all except with Minny....He got off to a fast start last year...lets see if he can take a hit late in the season when his 40 year old body is worn down.

Ravens and Saints are contenders too...Broncos and 49ers are just pretenders.

I do have reservations about him holding up but I think even without Farve they are contenders, the def. is very good, and they have the best RB in the league, The Ravens are in the tougher conference, if they were in the nfc I might put them here, they are #6 but my list only goes to 5 : )

The roughing-the-passer calls are happening as frequently (or "not as frequent as people seem to think") as the last few years. It just seems that people's perception of it is that it's happening more...

Only 23 (or so...not going back to look) so far, and the Pats have had at least 3 of those called against them that I know of, maybe a 4th that I can't remember - Vince Wilfork got called for one against the Bills that was totally bogus and helped the Bills out tremendously.

Last year there were 20-21 at this time. People just love hating the Pats.

The matchups this week are HORRIBLE. Nothing much to look forward to beyond Pats/Broncos. Last week had a bunch of great games. This week is just sad.

We lost Taylor (ankle surgery...!) but might have Mayo back - although I don't expect him to be 100%, but maybe I'll be happily wrong. If only Lawerence Maroney was capable of resembling anything like an NFL running back... (*STOP DANCING*)

jeez whats up with all the hate against the roughing the passer rule. They changed it up for the safety of the players. after all the tests and crap relating future brain problems and the physicality of football, they realized all the head bashing eventually took a real bad toll against the players' bodies. To me its a great rule. If its making the game safer im all for it.

My top 5...

1. Giants
2. Colts
3. Steelers
4. Patriots
5. Ravens

Had trouble with 4 and 5. I probably could have put the vikings and jets in either of those spots, but the pats and ravens just look a tad bit better.

Honestly, how can you say the giants aren't the best team right now? In my opinion, they have it ALL! Awesome defense (1st in the league in total yds. allowed and pass yards), a quarterback who's looking better and better (nearing "elite" status), a ridiculously overpowered ground game with a solid O-line, and receivers who can get open. Sure, the Colts have Peyton, but their defense is miles behind the Giants.

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Theres bad calls on everybodys team. Ray was right on calling out the whole NFL on there stupid QB rules. No matter what, the refs. are stuck between a rock and a hard place, its almost imposible for them to regulate the sacking of the QB. It just sucks cause its changing the whole game. Yeah those calls on the Ravens were pathetic BUT it has happend to every team at sometime. You cant blame the calls on your loss.

Mathew, how old ARE you? Your posts are annoying and vapid. I feel like you're 17 at best. Probably 3 months within 16 either way. Either way...You are pointless. You won't always be, but for now...totally pointless. Your words are weightless, and your views carry no weight whatsoever. I hope it feels warm and tingly, wherever you are...but seriously...I can't imagine your existence. It's amazing to me (in the most un-amazing way).