Firemen Explosion Testimony

This clip always seemed to bug me. These firefighters are just hanging around, there's no traffic going on though it's early morning in NYC, and
instead of looking directly up at the sky the camera man immediately points the camera towards the WTC even though the 1 firefighter turns his head
the other way looking for the plane. (the flash before the impact was always suspicious but I have no doubt it's already been discussed on here). It
just gives me that vibe that they were just waiting for something to happen. Do I have proof of this? No, but it's just how I interpret the video.

This clip always seemed to bug me. These firefighters are just hanging around, there's no traffic going on though it's early morning in NYC, and
instead of looking directly up at the sky the camera man immediately points the camera towards the WTC even though the 1 firefighter turns his head
the other way looking for the plane. (the flash before the impact was always suspicious but I have no doubt it's already been discussed on here). It
just gives me that vibe that they were just waiting for something to happen. Do I have proof of this? No, but it's just how I interpret the video.

edit on 5-7-2012 by homervb because: (no reason given)

You're quite right homervb, if you have not seen this do have a read, this will convince you that the Naudet film was completely staged. There is
some other revealing stuff in there too.

This clip always seemed to bug me. These firefighters are just hanging around, there's no traffic going on though it's early morning in NYC, and
instead of looking directly up at the sky the camera man immediately points the camera towards the WTC even though the 1 firefighter turns his head
the other way looking for the plane. (the flash before the impact was always suspicious but I have no doubt it's already been discussed on here). It
just gives me that vibe that they were just waiting for something to happen. Do I have proof of this? No, but it's just how I interpret the video.

edit on 5-7-2012 by homervb because: (no reason given)

You're quite right homervb, if you have not seen this do have a read, this will convince you that the Naudet film was completely staged. There is
some other revealing stuff in there too.

This clip always seemed to bug me. These firefighters are just hanging around, there's no traffic going on though it's early morning in NYC, and
instead of looking directly up at the sky the camera man immediately points the camera towards the WTC even though the 1 firefighter turns his head
the other way looking for the plane. (the flash before the impact was always suspicious but I have no doubt it's already been discussed on here). It
just gives me that vibe that they were just waiting for something to happen. Do I have proof of this? No, but it's just how I interpret the video.

edit on 5-7-2012 by homervb because: (no reason given)

The FDNY have been responding to that location many times before 9/11 and even after the buildings were hit but before they collapsed for gas leaks.
You can hear the dispatch give out a assignment for it on the recorded dispatch tapes. Nothing out of the ordinary for NYC.

Jet fuel exploded in the elevator shafts. This is not hard to understand.

Good luck trying to convince people with this jet fuel lie! There are far too many facts to disprove that, even if the OS that you agree with shy away
from these facts!

This Presentation puts that theory to bed, I'll shower you will lots more information if you need it, or you can just carry on believing the OS. I'm
sure if I presented you with every shred of information to make you realise jet fuel is just a fallacy, you would still think the OS was correct!

Originally posted by thegameisup
Good luck trying to convince people with this jet fuel lie! There are far too many facts to disprove that, even if the OS that you agree with shy away
from these facts!
...
I don't think you'll ever understand that it is impossible for the jet fuel to have travelled that far, and done the damage some people falsely
claim it did.

I have only two questions here.

1. How do you explain the large number of reports of jet fuel in the towers? Smell, liquid fuel and fireballs were all reported,
2. What makes it impossible for jet fuel to travel this far?

WHEN WE GOT TO 22 WE HEARD THERE WAS PORT AUTHORITY COMMAND POST ON 22 SO WE WERE STOPPED THERE MY OFFICER WANTED TO FIND OUT SOME INFORMATION MY
OFFICER LIEUTENANT ANDY DESPERITO HE WENT OVER TO THE COMMAND POST WE NOTICED IN THE HALLWAY THAT THE ELEVATOR SHAFT HAD BEEN BLOWN OUT THERE WAS
NOTHING THERE NO DOORS NO FRAMING NOTHING WHEN YOU LOOKED DOWN ALL YOU SAW WAS THE CABLES FOR THE ELEVATOR AND THE BRICK WORK THAT WAS SURROUNDING WAS
IT BURNING NO BURNING NO SMOKE COMING OUT OF IT

Again, we went to the command post with Andy Desperito. They gave him the fire warden's phone to use when we got to the 11th floor, to the 22nd
floor, which they told us there was a command post with the Port Authority on the 22nd floor. We made it up to the 22nd floor. We stood there for a
couple minutes. I believe Andy Desperito talked to the battalion through the fire warden phones. We did locate somebody at the end of the hall, but
everything was blown out. The ceiling had fallen. The drop ceiling had blown to the floor. Some of the walls were blown out. So Andy and I had crawled
down the hallway to get to the Port Authority command post.

9/11-Commission Report ch.9, pg.285

A jet fuel fireball erupted upon impact and shot down at least one bank of elevators. The fireball exploded onto numerous floors, including the
77th and 22nd; the West Street lobby level; and the B4 level, four stories below ground.

Here's what NIST said about the 22nd floor
NIST NCSTAR 1-7, Chapter 6

Unfortunately, the individual was unaware of the condition of the 22nd floor, where critical communications hardware in the hidden security
command center lay in ruins, likely preventing any building-wide public address announcements from reaching the occupants.

NIST NCSTAR1-8, pg.106

"When I got to the 22nd floor there was a lot of debris, everything was pushed to the center of the building. The windows were knocked out and I
could feel the wind. I could not see. I got a radio transmission that everyone in Tower 1, get out."

But FEMA disagrees that the jet fuel fireball could have caused all that damage.
FEMA WTC report, chapter 2, 2-21

Although dramatic, these fireballs did not explode or generate a shock wave. If an explosion or detonation had occurred, the expansion of the
burning gasses would have taken place in icroseconds, not the 2 seconds observed. Therefore, although there were some overpressures, it is unlikely
that the fireballs, being external to the buildings, would have resulted in significant structural damage. It is not known whether the windows that
were broken shortly after impact were broken by these external overpressures, overpressures internal to the building, the heat of the fire, or flying
debris.

I don;t know why you're showing a plan of the 96Th floor when we're talking about 22nd.

Originally posted by thegameisup
Just because someone says the lobby blew up that does not equate to jet fuel.

Prove there was jet fuel in the lobby and basement or quit lying.

It was mentioned by witnesses on tens of levels in both towers including the basement. Survivors from the elevators describe it explicitly, so do
firemen. There is also no other plausible cause for fireballs erupting from elevator shafts and burning people.

You have no proof of jet fuel whatsoever, it's a lie to divert from the fact explosive were used in the lower half of the building before or
just after the plane hit.

You cannot fool me with these lies!

Why would explosives be used in the lower part of the building if it was to collapse an hour later? How does that make sense, and why did no
firefighter notice this as they climbed past these areas? If they were damaging core columns, are you telling me that they managed to do this without
breaking the walls around them?!

Originally posted by thegameisup
Just because someone says the lobby blew up that does not equate to jet fuel.

Prove there was jet fuel in the lobby and basement or quit lying.

It was mentioned by witnesses on tens of levels in both towers including the basement. Survivors from the elevators describe it explicitly, so do
firemen. There is also no other plausible cause for fireballs erupting from elevator shafts and burning people.

You have no proof of jet fuel whatsoever, it's a lie to divert from the fact explosive were used in the lower half of the building before or
just after the plane hit.

You cannot fool me with these lies!

Why would explosives be used in the lower part of the building if it was to collapse an hour later? How does that make sense, and why did no
firefighter notice this as they climbed past these areas? If they were damaging core columns, are you telling me that they managed to do this without
breaking the walls around them?!

So you have not seen Gordon Ross's video that I posted, even though you claim to know about it?

Please do provide something that 100% proves jet fuel travelled down to the basement and lobby, I'll be waiting for you...

Originally posted by thegameisup
Please do provide something that 100% proves jet fuel travelled down to the basement and lobby, I'll be waiting for you...

You don't seem to be answering any questions, just pretending that they don't exist. Is this how you investigate truth?

Gravy did an amazing job of providing a convincing case, so I'll just refer you to his for now:
sites.google.com/site/911stories/insidethetowers:summaryofwitnessaccounts
(ATS auto URL linking breaks this, so copy and paste it into your address bar)

64 people on 43 levels below the impact zones reported smelling or contacting jet fuel/kerosene
33 people on 18 levels below the impact zones reported seeing fireballs coming from elevator shafts or down hallways
8 people on 4 levels below the impact zones were burned in elevators and survived (does not include ST 78th floor)

You can find a complete accounting of who these people were in the continuing pages. I ask you, why would so many report this if it didn't exist? What
other explanation is there?

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