The link I posted was
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/details/redirect/?CATID...
The link Carole posted was
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/Search ..which will not work
You need to delete /search from that, which will work!
/SearchUI/details/redirect/?CATID=-4021335&CATLN=7 is a complete
hypertext address 'unit' bringing one to a specific page/result!
Then you're laughing!!! So....
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk WILL work, as it's the parent
page.
Dave
>
> Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD National Archives
> Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 11:39:36 -0700 (PDT)
> References: <F544709A-CB3C-4FEE-B442-3EE0806FB5D6(a)bigpond.com.au>
> In-Reply-To: <F544709A-CB3C-4FEE-B442-3EE0806FB5D6(a)bigpond.com.au>
>
> I tried to go into the "discovery" site, and the server said it could
> not be found. Any other suggestion?
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Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD National Archives
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 11:39:36 -0700 (PDT)
References: <F544709A-CB3C-4FEE-B442-3EE0806FB5D6(a)bigpond.com.au>
In-Reply-To: <F544709A-CB3C-4FEE-B442-3EE0806FB5D6(a)bigpond.com.au>
I tried to go into the "discovery" site, and the server said it could
not be found. Any other suggestion?

Nothing on Oliver Cromwell's Pedigree even close !
Don't forget everyone with Knox think they're related to John Knox.. or
Wesley related to Charles Wesley...plenty too with Cromwell in their name.
Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD ELLIOT MCVITTIE alias ELLIOT MCVETTY
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 08:24:18 -0700 (PDT)
References: <53603eb0.8a66b40a.074d.ffffd3b6(a)mx.google.com>
In-Reply-To: <53603eb0.8a66b40a.074d.ffffd3b6(a)mx.google.com>
Dave, is there anything on Cromwell McVitty's 1st wife Margaret
Anderson...I know she was born around 1732 near/in Dublin and that she
must have died either before he came over in 1754/55 or on the way as
there is no record of her here. He married again to Margaret Hudson in
Lancaster Co. had 2 children William and Elizabeth then Margaret passed
and he pioneered to Amberson Valley in Franklin Co. where he married
Margaret McCurdy and had 7 children to her. Cromwell passed away in
1789. He owned approx.300acres in Lancaster Co. and about the same in
Amberson. The McVitty's(McVity)were tanners of leather and had many
tanneries here on the east coast.
Thank you for all the information...I've been studying the family for
over 20yrs. and still don't have Cromwell's parents...the story is he
was somehow related to Oliver Cromwell and at his baptism papists
entered the church and tried to strangle him...he obviously lived but
was taken by friends of the family to be raised in secret so it has been
difficult searching when records are scarce or non existent. Hugs,Karen

Yes plenty of spellings... I see Elliot's father was Thomas.
Good few on the Halsted site, going to Canada and others to Oz and with
the Algeos too. I think Mrs Algeo was a McVittie and you'll see them on
boat to Oz with a Ms Vittie.
There might be stuff on the Algeo post recently posted on FG. The link
has the Pedigree. So that's a fair few new found McVitties I've posted.
Plenty of others I haven't even looked for...
Dave
Re: FERMANAGH-GOLDMeviety McVitty M’Vitey McVittie M’Vetty
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 07:59:10 -0700 (PDT)
References:
<53604473.6478c20a.31a1.0fdf(a)mx.google.com><DA422166218145FAAD749DCD2E25AFA8@discount6774a5>
In-Reply-To: <DA422166218145FAAD749DCD2E25AFA8@discount6774a5>
Thank you so much...in my research I have found McVitty spelled 10
different ways past Sunday!! It seems however it is spoken is how it
ends up being spelled and due to it's origin in Scotland...the Scots
tend to soften the "c" so it comes out "M' "!! I have also found
relatives here in the states,whose grt. grandfather was so disgusted
with the mispronunciation and spelling he changed it on arrival to
"MaVitty"...I found them thru my husband's DNA. I read that Beattie was
after the ancient spelling of Macbientaugh(not perfect but close without
my notes in front of me) from what I've read there was no "V"in the
ancient alphabet!! Thank you to all who have found these tidbits,I so
much appreciate your help! Karen

Vi...After several years he is not going to find much more here on the
RC Cassidy/Cassidays/ McKennas from Monaghan...there's just too many of
them!!
.... or the Presbyterian McVittys...
I just googled the Surname... within 5 minutes of Goolgling I put all
that Elliott Moffatt stuff together which no one seem to have
discovered.... within the results I saw one for 'Elliott Moffatt'.... so
I just googled 'Elliott Moffatt' to get what I posted.
There were 100's of initial returns for the Surname I didn't google the
other names!! McVittie LLoyd Esq, for example...just haven't time to do
all that Googling!
There's the Grant of Arms thingy.... so the family must have been
researched in order to prove they were who they said they were...back to
'Elliott Moffatt' at least....So, are the parents/siblings of 'Elliott
Moffatt' named in the Pedigree??
Who was 'Elliott Moffatt'?? What College did he attend to become a
Surgeon? The entry would give son of....
Any other siblings go to College??
Tom has the directs in the 1880's to Hamilton, Ontario but who were they
the 'children of'? and ? Did the 'directs' apply from Canada for Pension?
Were there other siblings 'elsewhere' as 'children of'? and ? that
applied for Pension??
...there's plenty of mileage just in the bits I posted alone!
....and then there's yahoo.ie!!
Dave
Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Signing off
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 22:07:21 +0100
References:
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Thomas,
Sorry that you have decided to unsubscribe just as more records are
becomingavailable on line. We need some people in the I R to transcribe
some oftheir records for us..
Like Dave said you are unlucky in that those two names are widespread in
places and like hen's teeth when you want to find a particular family.
Presbyterian, Methodist and All non conformist records are not widely
available on line. And they did not have Graveyards attached to each Church
either.
People moved about for employment in every age and every county.
Landlordswho owned estates in different counties, miles apart, (eg
Londonderry and Sligo), gave employment to son's of their own home tenants.
If in the future there is anything I can help with just get in contact
andask.
Kindest Regards and best wishes for you in the future.
Viola.

I am interested in the COLLUMs who lived at Tan House Water/Bellevue/Drumcoo
'Estate',
near Castle Coole between Tullyharney & Tamlaght - Enniskillen. From the
Enniskillen Directories (1824 & 1846) & newspapers - Dr Hugh COLLUM (County
Coroner & Sub-Sherriff, died 1847) lived there as well as his brother
Archibald COLLUM (1790 - 1870, Attorney). Archibald's sons John & Dr Robert
COLLUM (b 1821 noted surgeon in British Army & Middle East ) owned it (in
Griffiths) then John's son William COLLUM (died 1898) & his son Arthur
Percival Tod COLLUM. In 1874 Capt Lucius Joseph COLLUM (later Liberal Parlt)
lived there. Is anyone researching this family or know anything of the
history of this place? Barbara

Bloomin' heck....was just looking at Cromwell M'Vitty on some google
result 2 minutes ago!!
Those bits I found only took me 5 minutes to find on Google.
The McVitties married Lord Charlemont's lot in Tyrone..they owned half
of Dublin!!
Google "the casino, clontarf" They connect to the Copelands, hence
Copeland Avenue, Copeland Grove, Charlemont Road in Clontarf.. their
town house in now the National Art Gallery on Parnell Square in
Dublin...the McVitties didn't just marry A Blake... they married one of
THE BLAKES!!
Dave
Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD ELLIOT MCVITTIE alias ELLIOT MCVETTY
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 16:35:36 -0700 (PDT)
References: <53603028.4a4fb40a.0ad5.0f61(a)mx.google.com>
In-Reply-To: <53603028.4a4fb40a.0ad5.0f61(a)mx.google.com>
Thank you,Dave for this information...it is difficult to find info on
the McVittie's...they seem quite elusive. Now I can try to find where
they fit into our 5th grt.grandfather Cromwell McVitty line...he was
born in the same area in1729 and came to the U.S about 1754-55.I have
been unable to find out who his parents were but do know that he had 2
brothers(John and Thomas)who also came to the U.S...we also have a long
line where the name Robert exists(William Robert) as well! Thank you
again,Karen

Thomas,
Sorry that you have decided to unsubscribe just as more records are becoming
available on line. We need some people in the I R to transcribe some of
their records for us..
Like Dave said you are unlucky in that those two names are widespread in
places and like hen's teeth when you want to find a particular family.
Presbyterian, Methodist and All non conformist records are not widely
available on line. And they did not have Graveyards attached to each Church
either.
People moved about for employment in every age and every county. Landlords
who owned estates in different counties, miles apart, (eg Londonderry and
Sligo), gave employment to son's of their own home tenants.
If in the future there is anything I can help with just get in contact and
ask.
Kindest Regards and best wishes for you in the future.
Viola.

In addition to Ireland’s Memorial Records I announced recently which
gives 447 Results for "Fermanagh" as search term, a completion of the
Irish Memorial Records, beyond the casualties linked to Belgian
territory, should be ready by the end of 2014.
The Name List project aims to assemble all fatalities of the Great War
who died or were mortally wounded in Belgium, both civilian and
military, and whatever their nationality.
It is due to be launched on 4th August 2014.
and...
A completion of the Irish Memorial Records, beyond the casualties linked
to Belgian territory, should be ready by the end of 2014.
More free stuff.....grrrr!
Dave.

Yes indeed you have 2 extremely difficult names to try to research.....
the McVitties seem to be "lacking" cohesion in records yet a reasonably
wealthy lot.... are there any siblings etc. who would have applied for
the Pension??
Only getting around to the Ireland’s Memorial Records announced recently
(447 Results for "Fermanagh" as search term..)
This one among the 370 Results for "Monaghan" men who are buried
Flanders Field.......
MCKENNA, OWEN
Place of birth SCOTSTOWN, CO. MONAGHAN
Rank PRIVATE
Service No.2697
Mil. Unit THE LOYAL NORTH LANCASHIRE REGIMENT, 1ST BATT.
Date of death Wed June 07 1916
* Place of commemoration: information to be completed.
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FERMANAGH-GOLD Signing off
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 13:52:49 -0400
References: <535ec2db.82edc20a.38af.ffffb8e4(a)mx.google.com>
Thanks to all the many great people who share thier time with the great
contributions. I've enjoyed the reading. After several years I am not going
to find much more here on my RC Cassidy/Cassidays/ McKennas from Monaghan
County or the Presbyterian McVittys. I have my directs in the 1880's to
Hamilton, Ontario to their graves almost in my own backyard in Cleveland,
Ohio. I'm running out of time, no one else in the family is interested in
pursuing further so a fond farewell, I will be unsubscribing shortly.
Tom Cassidy, Irish and proud of it. : -)

Not complaining by any means BUT judging by the criteria there are 8914
records that should technicaly be in PRONI.. FG members have 1218
returns on line BUT more will be in PRONI!!
RETURNS: Antrim...2085 Armagh...1135 L/derry...1096 Fermanagh...1218
Tyrone...1400 Down...1980
Total 8914 in the Dublin lot!
Of the 48726 (my count!) on the Film in PRONI there are 100's and 100's
of records for Cork, Kerry, Galway, Leitrim, Carlow, Kilkenny etc etc....
Would be nice to eventually have all the records for 26 counties in
Dublin and records for the 6 counties (NI) in N.I.
Im meantime "Thank You" for Census and Pension Data!!
Dave

Thanks James
I know for a fact most of mine in Ulster are in the Ulster book BUT 2
that should be at PRONI are in the Republic Book and in the stuff
released in Dublin.
There will be ones in PRONI for people applying from Cork for example IF
they were born in Ulster....and they seem to have included sending SOME
Cavan, Monaghan and Donegal To PRONI as they are in the Province of Ulster.
In reality PRONI really need to send any for the Republic to Dublin and
Dublin send any for 6 counties of Northern Ireland.
Thanks again for looking!
Dave
Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Grrrrrrrr AND Yippee.... PENSIONS and SURVIVINGCENSUS
FRAGMENTS NOW ON LINE!!!
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 09:35:43 -0400
References: <535ec2db.82edc20a.38af.ffffb8e4(a)mx.google.com>
In-Reply-To: <535ec2db.82edc20a.38af.ffffb8e4(a)mx.google.com>
Re: ........Josephine Masterson Book Ireland 1841/1851 Census Abstracts
(Northern Ireland) ..........look at it to see if there are Southern
(Ireland) entries please.
--------------------------
>From the Introduction of Josephine Masterson's book above noted -
“The census abstracts in this book are mainly for the Counties of
Antrim, Armagh, Down, Fermanagh, Londonderry and Tyrone,........A
considerable number of OAP (Old Age Pension) records held at the Public
Record Office of Northern Ireland are for the County of Donegal,
together with a few abstracts for other counties located in the Republic
of Ireland, but these are included in a separate compilation, Ireland:
1841/1851 Census Abstracts (Republic of Ireland)”
This suggests there are a few entries for the Republic. Looking at the
entries quickly, I did see one that was for Kings County, Eglish
Townland, family name Berry. How many others there are will require a
closer read.
James

James,
Also see:
http://censussearchforms.nationalarchives.ie/search/cs/index.jsp
Christina
James Mullan wrote:
> Re: ........Josephine Masterson Book Ireland 1841/1851 Census Abstracts (Northern Ireland) ..........look at it to see if there are Southern (Ireland) entries please.
> --------------------------
> From the Introduction of Josephine Masterson's book above noted -
>
> “The census abstracts in this book are mainly for the Counties of Antrim, Armagh, Down, Fermanagh, Londonderry and Tyrone,........A considerable number of OAP (Old Age Pension) records held at the Public Record Office of Northern Ireland are for the County of Donegal, together with a few abstracts for other counties located in the Republic of Ireland, but these are included in a separate compilation, Ireland: 1841/1851 Census Abstracts (Republic of Ireland)”
>
> This suggests there are a few entries for the Republic. Looking at the entries quickly, I did see one that was for Kings County, Eglish Townland, family name Berry. How many others there are will require a closer read.
>

Does anyone know if PRONI is planning to put the NI one online?
Slán,
Marge in Southern California
Searching:
Golden, Sullivan, Kelly, Shea, in Kerry and Connecticut
O'Connor in Kerry
Fee, Cassidy, Gilbride in Fermanagh, Cavan and Connecticut
Lynch in Kildare, Limerick and Connecticut
Walsh, Stackpole, Garry/Garrey/McGarrey, Donovan, Doyle, Clowney/Clooney,
King in Kildare
On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 6:56 AM, Christina Hunt <chrisnina(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> James,
> Also see:
> http://censussearchforms.nationalarchives.ie/search/cs/index.jsp
>
> Christina
>
> James Mullan wrote:
> > Re: ........Josephine Masterson Book Ireland 1841/1851 Census Abstracts
> (Northern Ireland) ..........look at it to see if there are Southern
> (Ireland) entries please.
> > --------------------------
> > From the Introduction of Josephine Masterson's book above noted -
> >
> > “The census abstracts in this book are mainly for the Counties of
> Antrim, Armagh, Down, Fermanagh, Londonderry and Tyrone,........A
> considerable number of OAP (Old Age Pension) records held at the Public
> Record Office of Northern Ireland are for the County of Donegal, together
> with a few abstracts for other counties located in the Republic of Ireland,
> but these are included in a separate compilation, Ireland: 1841/1851 Census
> Abstracts (Republic of Ireland)”
> >
> > This suggests there are a few entries for the Republic. Looking at the
> entries quickly, I did see one that was for Kings County, Eglish Townland,
> family name Berry. How many others there are will require a closer read.
> >
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