>> This is the Board of Trustees Pasadena Area Community College District's Regular Business Meeting Number 21. It is Wednesday, June the 16th 2010. It is 6:00 p.m. Mrs. Thomson, would you call the roll.
>> Bradbury-Huang.
>> Present.
>> Mr. Thomson.
>> Present.
>> Mr. Baum.
>> Here.
>> Ms. Brown.
>> Here.
>> Dr. Fellow. Dr. Mann. Mr. Martin.
>> Mr. Pack.
>> Here.
>> Very good. Are there any comments on Closed Session?
>> Nobody.
>> There are not. Then we will go into Closed Session to discuss Government Code 54957.6 Labor Negotiations. We'll invite Dean Engeldinger to join.
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>> We are now a member of the trustees--
>> Calling us to order, no action was taken in Closed Session. Mrs. Thomson.
>> Yes.
>> President Sugimoto, would you have any introductions this evening?
>> None this evening. Thank you, Dr. Bradbury-Huang.
>> Lead the pledge.
>> Oh, yeah let's do the pledge. Dean Engeldinger.
>> Please stand.
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>> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
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>> So let's take a public commend on non-agenda items. I see some names that are familiar and some that are not familiar. So, in case our protocols are not familiar to you let me just briefly recap. Obviously, you are very welcome to come and express whatever need or complaint you have. If appropriate the board president may make a brief statement about the issue. The board president will ask the college president if there is any comment from the administration. The Brown Act does however prohibit the board from discussing or taking action on any item that's not on our agenda. But members may make a brief comment or ask questions in response to public comments. Then the board president asks the college president to look into the issue and to come back to us. So with that in mind let me ask Eduardo Cairo to please step forward followed by Karen Carlisi.
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>> Good evening! I'm here to discuss the issue of our contract for the faculty. During the course of the semester when students in my classrooms come to me that have low scores I don't simply tell a student that they have to either study more or face possibly failing the class. Because when you do that you put the student in a corner, it's this or that. It puts them in a defensive situation, position and more than likely they are going to fail the course if you do this, if you take this type of stand. Instead, what I do is I meet with that student to discuss the possible solutions to their problems, why you are failing, what can we do? And in most cases this tends to improve the scores of the students. But what this board has done to us in regards to the contract is to tap and put us in a position that we other take what they're offering or they're gonna resend the offer. And that puts us in the position of putting us in a corner and doing something to try to remedy the situation. One thing that I've learned from history is that whether it be the people or the workers who have difficulties and problems in the workplace, they've gained their benefits and decent wages from committing acts of civil disobedience. And if need be I believe that if my union tells me that we need to commit an active civil disobedient whether it be picketing, boycotting, or anything of this nature in order to bring the board to give us a descent wage, descent benefits, then so be it. And as we just finished saying, and justice for all and I hope that you will be willing to give us the justice that we deserve. Thank you.
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>> Ms. Carlisi. Welcome.
>> Good Evening, members of the board. I'm Karen Carlisi, a member--a faculty member of the Languages Division. I'm here on behalf of myself and 189 other employees across the college representing faculty, classified and facilities and various other entities across campus. These signatures on this petition that I'm submitting to you today were gathered in a matter of less than 24 hours. Many of the faculty are at home grading papers to try to finish in time to get their grade in. So of course, they were not able to participate in the petition signing. So this is just a small fraction of the members of the faculty and other entities on campus that may have added their names. However, I would like to submit this petition today. It is regarding the negotiation process happening right now. And the petition is requesting that we wait until our new president is in place before we continue the negotiating process because of various things that are going on at the present. I would like to read the petition it says, "To an open letter to the Board of Trustees of Pasadena City College, the Pasadena Star News, and the Pasadena Community College District voters, from members of Pasadena City College Faculty and Staff. The signatures below of faculty staff of various departments respectfully ask the Pasadena City College Board of Trustees to set aside negotiations until our new president has an opportunity to understand the environment of our college, its faculty, staff, and students. We are especially concerned with the board wanting to deny step and column increases, a decision that would hurt a member of us--a number of us because of our position on the salary schedule. The board speaks of how it listens to Pasadena City College employees and wants to collegially work with them and we are asking now that you listen to and work with us by tabling any contract issues until after our new president arrives. Such an act would be viewed by faculty and staff as a step toward rebuilding morale in Pasadena City College employees in faith that our board does care about faculty staff and student concerns. Three unions stand behind our request for you to reschedule negotiations, our concerns do not represent a minority of faculty and staff an idea dispelled by the signatures below. Thank you."
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>> Mr. David Krause followed by Dr. Roger Marheine.
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>> Madame President, Board of Trustees, Guests, my name is David Krause, I'm Chapter President of Facility Services. We don't take well to threats and basically they didn't put it in writing so there's not much we can do about it. But our take it or leave it offer is conditional bargaining which is illegal as you know by [inaudible]. You know, if they did put it in writing we would have been in per board right now, so I'm not sure about maybe postponing negotiations but all I'm saying is that--that should not have never been made in negotiations, a take it or leave it offer, thank you.
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>> Good evening, I'm Roger Marheine from the English Division and I'm the President of the PCC Faculty Association. We represent about 400 full timers, about 700 part time faculty who teach both credit and non-credit classes. I haven't spoken to board in some time so I just wanna say thank you to President Lisa Sugimoto for her excellent year and we wish her the best. Yes.
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>> I also understood that possibly Mark Rocha was going to be here but I gather that's not the case. At any rate we welcome him and I do wanna stress to the board as I've e-mailed to you recently, the members of the audience probably don't know that I look forward to working with Mark Rocha and I know a number of people who've worked with him in Los Angeles and I'm very, very happy that the we are going to move forward. Also, I wanna say congratulations to my colleagues who on their own really rank and file teachers and staff who generate the petition that you just heard read by Karen Carlisi and the union really didn't generate the petition, we certainly gave it a nod and we agreed with it we affirm it. But we certainly do wanna argue that with the college's 18 million plus on reserves, 15 percent roughly, and with millions more in other accounts. It does seem to us a very unfortunate and misguided attempt to threaten and cajole us into signing contracts when we should go forward with Mr. Rocha and deliberate with him regarding those contracts.
>> But, I'm here primarily to see him for another matter and I know there a number of speakers who wanna speak after me--other issues. And this is the matter of grave concern and it's regarding the e-mail from Mr. Geoff Baum that some of you received and then I did forward, I think to all of you on the board. And on June 10th e-mail Geoff Baum an elected Public Official Associate with the college basically tires all of us with the same brush, Geoff Baum's remarks constitute a malicious assault upon all of us associate with PCC. They target one individual who has been synonymous with Faculty Leadership at the college for many years, a professor of Political Science and Gender Studies, Professor Suzanne Anderson. Professor Anderson has two PhD's she is the past President of the PCC Faculty Union in the days when we were part of the CTA. She currently serves as PCCFA's League Grievance Officer and co-leads the Negotiations Team. She is a faculty leader of extraordinary skill and integrity. Is it a coincidence that such a malicious set of allegations of a libelous nature have been launched by a seating PCC board member against the long time faculty union leader? What was Geoff Baum thinking? What was his motive or state of mind? I won't hazard a guess at this time. But we should make no mistake the burden is on us, but tonight I'm arguing the burden is really on you. The attack on Professor Anderson is an attack on us all. It degrades us, it degrades this institution, it smears our reputation as a college. It taints, as Mark Rocha would say, our brand. Thus this mere tactic is not simply about Geoff Baum, it's about you, the other six board members who now must act responsibly. You are institutionally, ethically, legally responsible to act quickly and resolutely. You certainly owe it to yourselves to prevent Geoff Baum shockingly hostile attack from poisoning the working relationship that we're all trying to rebuilt. You certainly owe it to the community as Larry Wilson's Pasadena Star News Public Eye blog of June 11th made all too clear. Mr. Wilson essentially challenged you to change the environment on campus. This is on you and you alone. And certainly, you owe it to us the teachers, the staff, the students who are the life blood of this campus that you are so honored to be a part of. Therefore the PCCFA, upon advice of our attorneys is demanding that the PCC Board of Trustees immediately apologize for Trustee Baum's statements and that Trustee Baum be ordered to immediately retract his statement. Libelous allegations, malicious misconduct must be corrected by persons of integrity and good will. Actions such a Geoff Baum's e-mail along with a bad faith attempt to by pass on these negotiations by way of threats has cast a shadow on this period of transition to our new president. We urge you to act responsibly and correct the situation immediately. Thank you very much.
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>> And let's invite Ms. Gwendolyn Hall, please followed by Bob Cody.
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>> My name is Gwendolyn Hall, and I'm here because Dr. Wilcox has allowed his staff to expose my personal confidential medical records to other staff without my consent. He allowed his staff to forge, Dr. a paper work knowing it and refused to respond to it. And--right now this is my thing. The only--and I like to thank you Dr. Jacob for understanding how important it is for people medical records to be kept confidential. They have disrespect these students that deal with the disability lab. We have no confidentiality. I haven't used the disability lab in nine months because the guy that works there is blind like me so he can't help me. I also wanna be able to finish getting my education from this day forward without being harassed. I do not wanna be harassed anymore. I've been harassed, taunted. I've had his staff do things, is that they know that wasn't legal and cover it up. And I'm gonna be writing him up and I would like for this write up to be responded to and I also gave him two complaints and I would like him to respond to them. And I just can't take it. I can't even--I can't even do my schoolwork. I'm supposed to be at home studying for my finals tomorrow but instead I'm in a board meeting because he refused to take responsible for his staff's actions. And he should never allow no staff to Dr. up paper work and then he go in his office and clean it up because he's in charge of that. He's in charge of that community so he wanna make his self look good. So he covers it up and Dr.s it up. But I really need him to layoff off me, just layoff off me. I've dropped all his programs, that way I can finish getting my education without nobody harassing me. And he really needs to talk to his staff about the way they deal with the disability students. They--for two years the secretary did all my paperwork. When I asked them, I was crazy so they sent me to the psychiatrist. So that's all I--and I really want them to really considerate, you know, it's against the law to expose people medical records and personal records. And that's what you have to get a disability lab when you get involved with them, is personal medical records that he allowed to be exposed to anybody who walk up, they just start talking about it. They don't ask you for permission or anything. If you write him, I have--if you write something, he would throw it in the trash. He don't respond to it or anything. And then he act like you're dumb or something like, you know, I'm down here and he is up here so there is no need to answer those complaints. And he's done it numbers of time. I was shot in 2003 and I broke my neck, I was shot in the head, I got sick. I dropped out of school in the middle of the session, earned some Fs, gave him the medical records and the and afterward he left them Fs on there. The only way I was able to clean them up I had to make up the class and he was very much aware that I was a victim of a violent crime. So I just want you guys to really consider the way you guys treat the disabled students and I would really like to know how can a blind person help other people that has problems?
>> Thank you.
>> Actually before Mr. Cody comes another two requests have come in. I think one at least is about contract issues so it probably makes sense to bring it together Ms. Melissa Michelson.
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>> Hello, my name is Melissa Michelson and I teach full time in the Languages Office in Language Division. I don't have anything prepared and I usually do but I just wanted to talk on the point the potential faculty--the freeze on faculty salaries. I along with several of many of my full time colleagues are opposed to this. We see that it's not fair in terms of the fact that the new president will be getting 230,000 dollars plus that it's only saving 407,000 dollars a year and the school has 18 million dollars in reserves. If students are important to the school then I think they need to show it in their faculty, give them incentives to be the best that we can be. We are already doing a lot of extra work, we're taking on a lot of work. I'm on the ESL Center Committee and I do a lot of extra work for that committee, I don't get paid for it although I feel I should. Technically, I'm paid one hour a week but I probably do more like four every semester--every week rather this semester. So, we're kind of stretched thin at the moment and I believe reassigned time has shrunk as well and I'd like to be able to do more for the school. So--I feel like if we had more incentive and I feel keeping the pay scale in terms of having raises, regular raises, just like in the corporate world. My husband for example, he works in the corporate sector and he will get a raise after he does well on a particular project. I feel that we should at least have regular raises every year. So as it is--so I wouldn't wanna see that frozen and that's my speech that's not been at all prepared. So, thank you.
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>> And let me check Ms. Tracey Cooper-Harris who did also beyond contract matters if so please come to the podium. It's not.
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>> Okay, it's not on the contract.
>> Then I'll just take a moment of personal privilege. I have been called away in an emergency situation I wanted to stay as long as I could to listen particular to my faculty colleagues here. Please don't take it as an insult that I'm about to run out the door and I thank you particularly for your comments about Dr. Sugimoto and I look forward to seeing everybody at commencement and having an honorable time there. Thank you very much. And I turn over to my colleague Mr. Thomson.
>> Have a good flight and a safe one and we will miss you and we will see you on Friday.
>> Thank you sir.
>> The next person whose card we have is Robert Cody.
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>> Members of the Board of Trustees and audience, good evening. My name is Dr. Robert Cody and I'm the resident from area 1. I'm here this evening to say a few words about the recently released Comp Analysis Report on Management Compensation. Before starting my comments I do wanna thank the Board of Trustees for authorizing the Comp Analysis Report. And I must admit it would be tempting to review the findings of this report in great detail with you. However, there is really little point in revealing the document. I'm sure you have read the document and I'm sure you have reached your own conclusions. What I think will be more valuable to you is to discuss the administrative leadership's response to this document and use it to illustrate what I believe is a broader more disturbing trend in our leadership. Perhaps, I can start by posing a question to you. Why did your leadership fail to release this document to me in a timely manner as required by the Public Records Act? The report is dated May 5th and it was released by the Management Association on June 3rd. However, despite my public records request, the Dean of Human Resources did not authorize its release to me until June 7th. That's a full four days after it was disseminated to the members of the Management Association. I would like to continue with another question for you to ponder. At the June 9th Management Team Meeting, why did the Dean of Human Resources appear to misleadingly report on the findings of Comp Analysis, completely ignoring the concluding paragraph of that report, Mr. Engeldinger instead focused on the preceding eleven paragraphs which outlined recommendations needed to address inherent shortcomings. These paragraphs however, can only be properly viewed in the context of the unspoken concluding paragraph which reads and I quote. "Many of the above recommendations would apply only if the district decides to adjust the existing plan to better meet its needs. Such adjustments would be so significant that would be in our opinion more efficient and more effective to develop a replacement plan consistent with PCC's pay philosophy." Now, I want to focus on one more particular finding of the Comp Analysis. The consultant described one aspect of the management compensation package as "encouraging empire building." I submit while this was referring to a more narrowly defined question on the use of staffing and budgeting, it is an appropriate phrase to describe not only this particular package but the general approach of some of the administrated leadership. I would like to further suggest that the real implications of this compensation package is its potential to take a process that should be fair and non-ambiguous and turn in into a powerful tool for political manipulation and control of employees. Lacking true leadership quality, the current administrative leadership now holds power through intimidation and punishment. While it is tempting to argue that our leadership would never subvert the ethical standards to manipulate employee pay for their own ends I can present at least one case where this has happened. Well I'll spare you and the honest details of this particular case and many of you have received copies of this correspondence. There have still been no resolutions of an issue as simple as years of credit. In fact, the district's own attorney made 1 original finding dealing with credit and two days later changed that finding after consultation with the administration. There also have been comments made to me that this effort has not been helpful to my professional career. I will leave it to you to judge whether or not my compensation has been subjected to political needs of the administration. In closing, I would like to suggest to you that your greatest challenge greater than the budget is ensuring that the district's leadership particularly in the area of human resources is held to the highest critical standards without such standards the public cynicism and distrust of the public institutions will continue to grow. Only you are the body with the responsibility for establishing the ethical standards of this institution. I trust you will do your duty. Thank you.
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>> Next, we would ask to Tracey Cooper--is that Harris? I'm sorry I can't read the writing.
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>> Is that--are you with the Veteran issue as well?
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. Alright, we are on Veteran issues, so okay, alright.
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>> Patricia D'Orange-Martin?
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>> Good evening, Dr. Sugimoto and board members. I'm Patty D'Orange-Martin, I'm the Veterans Program Director and Counselor here at PCC. And I'm here tonight to let the board know that Dr. Olivo and I have been working on the issues brought to you by the Veterans Club a couple weeks ago. First of all I wanna formally announce that Pasadena City College has been selected as one of the 12 highly programs by the California Community College Chancellor's Office for the Veterans Resource Center Grant that we applied for.
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>> There about 775 veterans currently attending PCC according to May 28th MIS report. The Veterans Resource Grant will provide the computer equipment software and academic support--support tools as well as all the training for the center. At the core of the Veterans Resource Project, it's based on having veterans provide services directly to fellow veterans and so it requires that we staff the center at 70 percent with veteran work study students which are no cost to the college. The news about the Veterans Resource Center was bittersweet for me. It came on the heels of a tragic announcement that one of our PCC veterans Justin Morrow [phonetic] was found dead in his apartment a few days ago. The corners report he is not confirmed the caused of death yet. Justin was supposed to graduate this year. He was planning to attend law school, he was in the Army Reserve and was called to active duty and served one tour in Iraq. I'm happy to say that many of us here at PCC try to help Justin so there are no regrets there. But, I can't help thinking that there might have been more that we could have done. So I'm truly ecstatic to know that we're gonna have a place where veterans can connect which each other, build camaraderie, support one another and where we can empower them to succeed. And hopefully offer them a place where they can feel safe and as they make their way back and make the transition from the battle field back into the civilian world. That said, in order to start the program for the fall we're going to need at least 6 to 800 square feet to house the center and this would accommodate the ADA requirements for the veteran resource equipment and space for support services. The primary focus is going to be for veterans with traumatic brain injury, for some of the software in the support services that entail the resource center. We've ask Dr. van Pelt to help us find space for the center. What we ideally would like is one of the houses on Bonnie to transform into a Veterans Center. But we realized this will take time. I think PCC is probably gonna have to make some sort of petition or fill out whatever they need to do with the City Pasadena to get variance so that it's, you know, not because it won't be used--it will be used as an educational space.
>> But we hope that the board would be committed to help us make that a reality. Dr. Olivo has informed me that like the other empowerment program directors that I will have 50 percent reassigned time to work on veterans services. And she and I have put together a preliminary budget of 60,000 dollars for the program and to help fund this we're hoping that the board will support as in applying for the art grant for innovative programs. So those I believe are all that three areas that the veterans club had ask that we look into and help them get. And in closing I'd like to take a moment to comment on my personal connections to the work done on behalf of veterans. Some people mistake being pro-veteran with being pro military or pro war. I've been honored to help veterans at PCC for the last 20 years. I've tried to make PCC's Program as apolitical as possible because it's about the student veterans and not anybody's politics. I'm personally--I personally am against war, my grandmother was in the French Resistance and was put into concentration camp by Nazis. My grandfather was a pilot during World War II and was shot down twice and was a prison of war. I had uncles who had to flee their Spanish homeland never to return because they fought Franco's Fascism. I'm married to a Vietnam combat veteran and an army reservist for 33 years and we struggled through his post traumatic stress for the last 20 years. I have three sons. Two are pacifists and the third is a lieutenant commander in the navy currently serving in Iraq. I'm extremely proud of all three of them. My family has known war and peace first hand. For me, war is not some abstract or historical fact that one reads or hears about. Consequently I am extremely anti-war. But this position makes me all the more supportive of those who--having themselves neither started nor wanted war and nevertheless did their duty and often suffered as result. I make a sharp distinction between politics of war and personal sacrifices of those who are caught up in it. And while maintaining an apolitical stance on war both general and specifically--
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>> Well I'm in no way--it no way lessens my feeling or obligations in compassion's for veterans. So I'm dedicated to helping PCC do whatever it takes to reduce the effects of war on our students. And am--
>> Could you bring this to a close, please?
>> I will.
>> Thank you.
>> I'm humbled by the young men and women who offer their lives to this country and to help America keep its promises and not only to the country but to the world. And the politics--that send them to the war is the voter's responsibility and so we are responsible of how we take care of them when they return. Community colleges did not ask for the responsibility but veterans are here and it's our civic and moral responsibility to do everything we can to help them.
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>> We duly allot 30 minutes total for public comment on non-agenda items, we're already passed that. But I would like to go on certainly to honor the veterans I think those are the--the extent of the [inaudible] that we have. So if we could ask that Cameron White fold by Maggie Sanchez and if you can avoid repeating what's been said before that would be very, very much appreciated. And of course brevity is always an appreciated quality, thank you.
>> Well thank you. Members the board, President Sugimoto, my name is Cameron White and I'm the current Vice-chair of the Student Services Committee. The Vice President Elect for Academic Affairs and a veteran of the United States Marine Corps where I serve two tours in Iraq. And I'd like all the veterans in the room to stand up right now if they could.
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>> I'd like to begin this evening by expressing my appreciation for the dedication of our veterans counselor Patty D'Orange-Martin who just spoke as well as Dr. Olivo, Dr. Harold Martin, President Sugimoto and all the others here at PCC for their efforts to make this campus a welcoming and supportive environment for veterans. However, these goals are not shared by everyone in the administration, as a result, the work of improving PCC's campus for veterans have been stalled and the efforts of those working on behalf of veterans have been made unnecessarily difficult and time consuming. The situation reached a point wherein the following declaration was affected after insulting and derogatory statements were made. This is a letter to Dr. Stuart Wilcox. The signatories of this letter are unanimous in expressing concern for establishing veterans' services for the nearly 700 student veterans at Pasadena City College. With the undersigned PCC student veterans and PCC students who support veterans call upon you to step aside from your position as interim Vice President of Student Life Services. We respectfully request that someone else be appointed, someone who the PCC students who could full confidence in as your replacement. Until recently, we've always had a respectful and effective relationship with those in the administration whom we've work alongside with. We believe that establishing veterans' services at PCC is most effective when administered by an individual who is non-prejudicial, and understands, cares about, and acts in a manner that is consistent with the best interest of veterans. Unfortunately circumstances of that past several months have eroded our confidence in your ability to continue to lead this endeavor or to fairly manage Student Services at Pasadena City College. This letter therefore is a formal communication of no confidence and a request for you to step down in this interim Vice President of Student Life Services. The reasons are clear. Your recent comments at meetings have demonstrated a fundamental lack of understanding, concern, and sensitivity to the needs and vulnerabilities of veterans specifically your comparisons of veterans to prisoners and comparison of veterans to gang members is abhorrent comments in whatever context are discriminatory, outrageous and inflammatory and certainly inappropriate. These statements exemplify your anti-veteran viewpoint and total lack of understanding of veterans, particularly those who come from communities of color and have sacrificed so much for this country. Your sentiments negate the respect and dignity they so deserve and have earned. Despite the fact that staff and faculty members have tried to educate you regarding veterans issues and urged you to discontinue these terrible comparisons you continued your offensive and derogatory comments. When the Veterans Program Director wrote a grant for a Veterans Resource Center designed to assist disabled veterans, you refused to recommend that Dr. Sugimoto sign the grant because you could not find 400-square feet at Pasadena City College to house the program. At a time when PCC is cutting classes and KPCC had vacated a very large area of the college it was outrageous to imagine that 400 square feet could not be found. This caused a great out cry among the PCC veterans which lead them to seek help from Senator Liu, the American Legion, veterans of foreign wars, and their bother veterans to write and call the college President and board of trustees. It was Dr. Sugimoto's swift actions that saved the day to commit to finding the space and sign her support so that the grant could go forward. You made veiled comments regarding some people not supporting--
>> I'm gonna have to ask you to bring this to a close please, if you've got a letter you can certainly hand it to Mrs. Thomson and we'll read the rest of it.
>> Sure.
>> But your time is really up.
>> Well we're hoping that you will not renew Dr. Wilcox's contract for Vice President of Student Services because of his failure to adequately fulfill his obligations to the students and to take into understanding. I might also like to mention that this letter was sent on June 1st and as of today we still have received no response, so--
>> Would you hand a copy of it to Mrs. Thomson there please?
>> Sure.
>> Thank you.
>> Dr. Margaret Ramey--
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>> To be followed by Stephen Soto and then Tracey Cooper-Harris.
>> Good evening board of trustees, Dr. Sugimoto, thank you for letting me speak to you tonight also about PCC student veterans and I will try to keep it as brief as possible. But I do have a few things that I would like to say to you. Tonight, I'm gonna also put political correctness aside because when I need--what I need to say you need to hear. And I would be remised in not coming before you with my thoughts. I was present in that May 10th Student Learning Services Managers Meeting when Dr. Wilcox compared homecoming veterans to prisoners being released from prison. He said it twice and twice Dr. Cynthia Olivo told him he needed to stop saying that. I felt very hurt by his statements and commented to the group that if PCC didn't step up to the plate and address this highly political issue on our campus we would be in big trouble.
>> As you can see we are in big trouble. As I contemplated Dr. Wilcox's statements over the past few weeks I continued to feel hurt, angry and very sad. And why do I have such strong feeling? My father Luther W. Ramey was a career army soldier. He fought in World War II, Korea and Vietnam two tours. My father died at the age of 60 from a massive heart attack. If you were to visit the National Cemetery in El Paso, Texas where he's buried and read the gravestones that surround his, you would notice that many service persons that fought in 2 or more of these wars died at the same age about the same age. One thing I can say for sure is that my father a good man, each time he came home from war and upon his retirement after 26 years in the army was not like a convicted criminal being released from prison. What I can say is that his time away helped break our family apart. I can also say that because he died so young he was never able to meet my daughter and my daughter was never able to enjoy his company. My mother, a World War II war bride remarried also to a career army soldier who after retirement has been teaching high school ROTC, army ROTC for the past 17 years preparing young men and women to join the military and serve for us. His name is Gilbert Kelly also a good man, who has treated our family well. And I can also say about Gil that upon his retirement from the army he was not like a convicted criminal being released from prison. When I told my mother and Gil about the analogy made comparing veterans to criminals my mother's reaction was, "What kind of place is that?" And Gil's reaction was "Shame on him." I wonder what my dad's response would have been. If you watched the news last--this past weekend you would know that another 17 soldiers died in Iraq and Afghanistan last week. I am here on behalf of them and all the others who have made it possible to be present in this room tonight. I am here fighting for my father and Gil and for every other veteran and active duty service person that has been willing to put his or her life on the line for me and for every person in this country. I have been working with the PCC Student Veterans Work Group they are in sore need of resources. My questions to the board are, and I'm almost finished here, is PCC going to step up to the plate and appropriately serve our student veterans? Is the board is going to ensure that unbiased administrators are in place to achieve successful service to PCC student veterans? Is the board going to ensure that successful service to PCC student veterans is actualized and if so when? Okay, so I have said what I needed to say, it is my sincere hope that you and the PCC administration take my and the comments by others here tonight to heart and soul and get serious about meeting the needs of our student veterans so that they can say to others, "I am glad I'm attending Pasadena City College, they appreciate me and really care about me." Thank you for your time.
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>> Good evening, my name is Maggie Sanchez. I was in the meeting with the Dr. Wilcox regarding veteran issues. And he made the comparison of veterans to gang members. I don't look like a gang member. I'm certainly not a gang member. I grew up in Highland Park a gang infested area of Los Angeles so I know first hand what it's like to live amongst gang members. I chose a different path in my life than many of my high school classmates. I chose to join the navy and I'm a U.S. Military Police Officer far from a gang member. Now, for Dr. Wilcox to compare veterans to gang members is not only unacceptable but disappointing as we look towards the faculty to support us. I don't have faith in Dr. Wilcox and I certainly don't believe that he has veteran issues as a priority. Thank you.
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>> Even Stephen Soto.
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>> Okay. I'm Tracey Cooper-Harris, the one whose name you couldn't read all this time. I apologize about my handwriting.
>> Alright, thank you.
>> Is Mr. Soto here? Or--
>> Yes.
>> Okay, thank you.
>> I am an army veteran of both Operation Enduring Freedom and Operation Iraqi Freedom. I got out of the military as a Sergeant E5. I happen to have the honor of going to a town meeting at USC with Admiral Michael Mullen, he is the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Basically he's the highest expert in the military. The main thing that he talked about at this town hall meeting was community and how the community can help with the challenges veterans base--excuse me, face in education, in health and employment. And most people in the community want to help veterans and this is necessarily a handout but a hand up. And the biggest form in this community to help is at the college and university level and that's basically by training more professionals to help veterans. USC is actually starting one of the biggest programs in the nation of social workers specifically for military veteran--veterans. And also, while veterans are attending and or going back to school, and this support isn't just monitored from the GI Bill but it's also within the community itself. And PCC is an innovator for the veteran students in their community yet we can do more. We need to get this Veterans Resource Center up and running not just as an information or resource spot and this is also the help get a hand up to other veterans. But from other veterans' experience here at PCC, as they continue on with whatever educational goals they will have. One of the members of this board basically compared myself and fellow veterans to gang members and prisoners but I have a challenge for him and the rest of you members of the board. We, just like Word War II veterans volunteered our service for this country and we would gladly do it again. I believe that this board member forgot that it was his parent's generation that enabled us to the social, national, and economic freedom that we have today. And you wouldn't prepare World War II veterans to these types of unsavory criminals, so why would you insult us with those same derogatory comments? The one last thing that Admiral Mullen left us with is that veterans are not a burden. We are the next greatest generation that will lead this country. And like the generations of veterans who serve before us we bring in great potential, I challenge this board member to invest in us and not demean us and I also challenge you to do the same thing. We're not asking for handout but a hand up. Invest in us. Thank you.
[ Applause ]
>> Thank you, Stephen Soto.
>> Hello my name is Stephen Soto, served in the United States Navy and I'm here actually to speak about what you can envision as a resource center, so everyone has a better understanding of what we're looking for. We don't wanna be a community that ask for things and doesn't do anything about it. We're actively involved in our community. We had a free car wash for anyone passing by the streets of Colorado in hill this Sunday. So we're out there trying to fight to make ourselves a better name. We would like to have something that's specialized for people who have TBIs, PTSD or anything like that. We know that our school isn't ready for it yet but if we can make fast movements on it we could be there. We would like to be a hub for Glendale Community College, Cal State L.A., Cal Poly Pomona and if we could have a resource center that's big enough we would like to be the spotlight of Los Angeles. We would like to make Pasadena have a name for its self. We'd wanna be the area where other schools, other people would recognize Pasadena City College not just as a great institution that has a great transfer rate but as a place that's very veteran friendly, that has a resource center that's available for not only Pasadena City College students but also students in other areas and where we can have a great network where the employment development department can also join us and a hand in hand network that basically transition us back into civilian life. So I don't want you to think that we're just looking for center that just has one or two computers, our ultimate picture would be a hub in the Los Angeles area where we could have all the resources that we need in order to become successful, transition into great civilians and be the American dream. So I just wanna leave you on that note today, knowing that we're not asking to give, give, give but we wanna give and receive at the same time. So just think about that and know that we are trying to get actively involved, so thank you.
>> Thank you.
[ Applause ]
>> That concludes public comment on non-agenda items. The next item we have on our agenda is reports by reports by members of the board/board subcommittees, superintendent/president and shared governance representatives, Mr. Baum, do you have anything to report?
>> Just two quick announcements. I was delighted to attend the awards--Scholarship Awards Ceremony for the Social Sciences Division, it was very inspiring to see the accomplishment of our students in a variety of areas and to hear the faculty's stories about the students that were honored, so my hats off to the Social Sciences Division.
>> Also I was privilege to attend on Monday night the Annual Benefit for the Pasadena Educational Foundation. Mr. Thomson was there with me. And we were also able to bring along our new President Dr. Rocha who made the rounds of--and made a great first impression with the Pasadena Community and also made an important introduction with the Dr. Diaz the Superintend of the Pasadena Unified School District and so I was very pleased to be able to facilitate that meeting on Monday night.
>> Dr. Mann?
>> I'm back but I'm very limited. So I have nothing to report because I've done nothing.
[ Laughter ]
>> Mr. Martin?
>> My appreciation to the entire campus Ad Hoc Budget Committee as we're working through that we had another meeting it's on the agenda again for later so I don't think I need to take up any more time but I will say how much I appreciate the contributions and the collegiality that I have felt in the meetings that I have attended across all areas of the campus trying to work on the budget.
>> Good.
>> Ms. Brown?
>> Yeah, I had a couple of meetings that I attended. On June 6, I attended the Pasadena Unified School District Latino Recognition Ceremony here at PCC which was quite successful. We had quite a few graduates which received a lot of--what did they receive? A lot of recognition, and in that same evening I attended the Pasadena Alliance of African-American--Pasadena Unified School District Class of 2010 African-American Seniors 6th Annual Rites of Passage at Metropolitan Church. And it was quite again a large numbers of students and they all received a lot of honors and all kind of good stuff. And one thing that I really was proud of was that as I listened to all the awards and where they were going to go school, I heard a lot of students saying that they would be attending PCC in the fall. So that made me very happy because it seems that our efforts to outreach and build our co--bring students in-district students is paying off. So I was pretty happy about that. In June 10th I attended the Ad Hoc Budget Committee also which like Trustee Martin say it's a very good committee. They seem--Dr. van Pelt knows what he's doing and he is really teaching us and getting us those numbers and I appreciate being part of that committee. And on June 12th, I attended the President's Advisory Committees dim sum year event. I think that's what they called it where all the different advisory committees were there, African-Americans, the Latinos and the Asian. They had a quite good presentation. They sort of told us what they did throughout the year and their plans for the future. It was very informative and was quite a good time. And that's my report.
>> Mr. Pack?
>> I have no reports at this time.
>> Mr. Tsay?
>> I hope everybody got their invitations because AS banquets is going on Wednesday night next week. If you guys haven't received it you guys will be receiving it soon and that'd be all I'd like to report.
>> Mr. Lindemann?
>> Thank you sir. We had a delegation of representatives to the Classified Leadership Institute. We had three state wide reps from here and two our senators. We also had our roster award winner all attend the Classified Leadership Institute. And the report to day from the Classified Senate Meeting they announce that Gary Potts was elected acting area rep for Southwest Area 3, that includes PCC. Debra Cantarero, immediate past president of PCC's Classified Senate was elected South Vice President for the California Community Colleges Classified Senate. Those are statewide organizations that we have quite a representation in. And we would like to say that we're very proud that we have such a large contingent in this state wide Classified Senate. In addition the Classified Senate wants to thank Dr. Sugimoto for your outstanding leadership and commitments to the success and wellbeing of our campus. It was honor to serve underneath you and underneath your leadership and we will miss terribly.
>> Dr. Bickley?
>> I'll pass around the Senate's nanoseconds. I'd like to draw your attention to a couple of items. One is that the Distance Education Committee of the Senate has worked rather consistently and with due diligence to move us towards improving the quality and integrity our distance education program. They brought forth to us 14 recommendations that we have passed this year that we hope will provide an education to all faculty who are involved in the distance education aspects of our college. And we know that there's a least 6 more recommendations forth coming. So am by hats off to Sandy Haynes and her committee for the hard work they've done for the senate this year. We also are embarking a new territory--I'll leave it to you to read the little sections on fundraising committee, the A Plus Campaign with the senate and the associated students with whom we are very appreciative are gonna match funds and--and Dr. Joe Conner in physical sciences is going to take the lead with his committee, the A Plus Campaign Committee to try to identify potential significant contributors from the general Pasadena area. We're coordinating this effort with the foundation and we hope to finalize some of that properly in the fall semester I would hope.
[ Inaudible Remark ]
>> I'd like to just say that it's also been my pleasure to serve PCC as the Senate President and also to work with Dr. Lisa Sugimoto and the board. I've served as the Senate Vice President for 4 years and now the Senate President for 2 years and had many occasions to be at board meetings and I am quite impressed. While the Senate and the board don't always agree, I am impressed with your efforts to give it your best and to discuss the issues, debate the issues, research the issues and I see that. I mean late evenings here, I could certainly attest to that fact. But also behind the scenes so many of you working hard for this college and of course the Executive Committee as well, the Senate appreciates working with all groups, class wise and its students and the many administrative officers in the board. But its been my pleasure to serve the Senate President and I--I can leave office knowing that Edward Martinez will be taking my place and I'm very, very confident, he's been somebody that I've called on to do a lot of work, he knows Title V as well as anybody I know on campus and I'm excited about him taking over next year. Thank you.
>> Well thank you very much for those kind thoughts and words and we likewise appreciate very, very much the leadership you've given in your part of the college and we will miss you. Mr. Martinez will have a huge pair of shoes to fill.
>> Well, thank you.
>> Ms. Ligons?
>> Wow, I don't know where to begin it's a sad night for me because after 10 years of sitting--
>> A sad night for all of us.
[ Laughter ]
>> After 10 years of sitting with you at board meetings, this is my last meeting as President of the Management Association. So I wanna thank you board members for the support and respect that you've shown me and the organization I represent. I wanna thank Dr. Sugimoto for meeting with us and helping us iron out some difficult things and providing some really good advice on things that we should be doing as a meet and confer organization. You've seen the board packet tonight, I plan to retire but I don't plan to stay away. I'm looking forward to being invited back to participate in the many activities that take place here at PCC. One of which will occur tomorrow morning at 7:30 at Brookside. I know that you received your invitations and that's the event--the annual event the Management Association has to honor those who are retiring and this year we only have retiree Edgar, I think his last name was pronounced
>> The annual event that management association has to honor those who are retiring and this year we only have one retiree Edgar I think his last name was pronounced [inaudible].
[ Inaudible Remark ]
>> And he will not be with us but we are still going to honor him and we would love to have you come and join us in that celebration.
>> Well thank you very much Ms. Martin.
>> I know this is a little bit unusual but if I could just say a couple of quick things. I've been one who has boasted of the incredible student leadership for years and years and years of Pasadena City College. I'd like to take a moment and boast about academic senate leadership. I feel the same way really about the long line of tremendous academic senate leadership that we've seen here in Pasadena City College and the fact that we've got Jim and in some ways Ellen both leaving simultaneously compels me to say something to you folks about my deep appreciation. I think in working with Jim now with the Budget Ad Hoc and had a chance and watching Ellen and her relationship back with Jim [inaudible]. It was just tremendous to see how collegiality can happen in a very positive way and we obviously understand people have concerns about many issues and they come to us and that's many times all what the board hears. But behind the scenes there are Ellens and Jims and soon to be Eds that I know have the campus' total district at heart and understands sitting here night after night that we have the campuses total district and the district at heart and we really appreciate working with people like you because we do want to move this forward. We want to do the best we can for students and staff and veterans and everyone else and it does--there's a lot of pressures and it's really that kind of great leadership we've had at the academic senate year after year that these 2 embody that has made a big part of that. So I want to say personal thank you maybe we should have waited but I want to say it. And I also want to point out I appreciate the academic senate picking up distant education. I serve a remote part of this district and it's difficult for people that live at a Royal High School and El Monte and Rosemead to get here and distant education solves that problem for them but there's another benefit. I know disabled students who can't hear when they attend a class, who can't see the board when they attend the class, who have difficulty in many ways getting to a traditional class room that we're used to. But the distant education is a way that they can hear it at whatever volume, see it as large as they want, repeat it over and over again and make the connection and reach out to them in a better way. So I wanna commend you for your efforts in distant education, encourage you to continue on, encourage Ed and the whole Academic Senate to continue on 'cause I have seen how it reaches students we don't normally think about in a way we don't normally think about that we really want to reach. So again, just my appreciation to both of you I'm excited, a little bit, I've talked with Ed, I know we're going into good hands there it's just great to be on a board when you get to work with people like that. And I really am sorry to both of the Academic Senate and the management and many other that I have intense work commitment these first weeks of June always. And so we'll be at graduation but I'm not gonna get to some of these other special events that I periodically got to get to and its just not gonna happen this year, so I just wanted to say that thank you.
>> Dr. Sugimoto?
>> Thank you very much Trustee Thomson. What can I say? I've got a couple of announcements but certainly want to recognize Ellen for her long history at the college and many roles as classified staff, as faculty and also as manager. And so she sat in Jim's seat many years ago, you should be careful about that, as the Academic Senate President so you have a long line here of individuals who have been in that seat. Ellen thank you very much and I know that we have you in the board documents and I'm sure the consent item will be pulled. So we can talk about you more.
[ Laughter ]
>> But let me--2 items, actually three items. Do you know--I wanted to make an announcement about one of our professors, Professor Phil Solomon who was honored with the NASA Exceptional Service Medal at JPL and I think this is quite an honor. Phil teaches transfer level engineering courses, surveying and computer networking. He is really as we call a Manchu in the engineering technology division. So congratulations to Phil for this honor. I know that this is an amazing week for most of us I want to be sure that the board understands the Friday events to come. I do know that we have our Academic Senate Breakfast first thing on Friday morning starting 7:30 to honor our faculty. Some who will be retiring but certainly honoring all of the faculty who will be receiving awards and recognition, so I wish to thank Dr. Bickley also for all the work he's put in and certainly we will be honoring him on Friday too for his hard work. We do have commencement on Friday and I have Scott Thayer in the audience, Dr. Thayer, I asked if he could quickly to give you sort of an update and let us know about commencement exercises and--2 seconds are left? No. And a few minutes so that at least you have an overview of what will happen in the evening for commencement. Thank you Dr. Thayer.
>> Thank you Dr. Sugimoto and the members of the board. Two days till the 85th Annual Commencement Exercises here at PCC. The Commencement Committee, the Student Affair Staff and the Nisei Diploma Project Committee, we've been working hard to make sure that we have a great commencement. I just wanted to go over a couple of items regarding the pre-commencement activities. The itinerary basically if everyone can arrive at 4:30 in the GM building we'll have the reception with the board and the summa cum laudes as well as the Nisei Diploma Project Recipients and that will take place from 4:30 'til about 6:15 and then we'll get dressed to line up and then go on to the field. The--we haven't had any real changes. We do have the special recognition this year with the Nisei group but we wanted to make sure we could have everyone the opportunity to interact with both groups the summa cum laudes and the diploma recipients and that's why we're doing it in the GM building. Parking wise, you can obviously park in lot 1 but the walk will be long to the GM building. We're asking everyone--the closest distance is lot 4 the old structure on Del Mar and that way you can enter the GM with the shortest distance. But, you know, at the time parking shouldn't be an issue. The issue probably will come around 5:30 or six once the rest of the graduates come. We have our speaker Assembly member Warren Furutani, the author of AB 37. I spoke about that previously. We have 12 summa cum laudes participating in the ceremony, 19 Nisei recipients, so we'll have those groups being honored specifically. Basically, that is the update if there's any questions I can answer those or that's all I have.
>> Are there any questions for Dr. Thayer? Sounds like an exciting evening.
>> We look forward to it.
>> We look forward to it and looked forward to seeing everyone there, thank you.
>> Thank you. Dr. Sugimoto?
>> Thank you.
>> That's it.
>> Mr. Thomson that's it for my report.
>> Just quickly, I went to--excuse me, the meeting of the PCC Foundation Quarterly Meeting a couple of days ago and happy to report that they are in good order. They have elected 9 new members to the board and they're all getting very excited and gearing up to undertake quite significant fundraising activities on behalf of the college. They've done a lot in the past but they recognize that with the state's economy the way it is and the prospects of it getting out of the doldrums soon not very great, but the foundation will have to step up and so they are in the process of gearing up to do exactly that, so that is the last I have to say on that. Any other reports to be brought forth? Okay, let's go to the minutes of meeting of June 2nd 2010.
>> Move approval of both sets of minutes.
>> Okay the other set being the June 9th set, are there any additions or corrections or questions or comments?
>> I just want to make one--
>> First of all I need a second to the motion.
>> Ms. Brown
[ Inaudible Remark ]
>> Okay good thank you. Wait, Mr. Baum has a question.
>> I just want to clarify the language on the meeting on June 9th item 3 section B so it just says the language just to say Dr. Bradbury-Huang announced that the Board of Trustees voted unanimously to appoint Dr. Mark Rocha so that its just a classification on the language.
>> Okay is that acceptable to the second? It seems like a reluctant yes, but we'll accept that.
[ Laughter ]
>> Yes.
>> Mr. Pack you had a question?
>> Because I wasn't technically the sitting Student Trustee at the June 2nd meeting and we're approving these together I'll just have to excuse myself from voting on this item.
>> Sure. Are there other questions about the minutes? Okay then you're going to abstain on the June 2nd set of minutes let's--because of that let's take them separately. June 2nd, first new advisory vote anybody--all in favor of approving the minutes of June 2nd with--June 2nd excuse me say aye.
>> Aye.
>> All opposed? Okay, the motion carries, June 9th with the clarification by Mr. Baum, Student Trustee advisory vote?
>> Aye.
>> The rest of the board, all in favor say aye.
>> Aye.
>> Anybody opposed? Motion carries.
>> Mr. Thomson?
>> Yes?
>> I was not present at the June 2nd meeting but I listened to the audiocast so that's why I voted too.
>> Thank you. Okay, consent items page 3 we've got--anybody have any consent items they'd like to have dealt with separately?
>> Dr. Sugimoto has one.
>> Okay.
>> Trustee Thomson there's one revision then we're pulling one item. Revision is made to 22-I and that's in your packet in your folder.
>> Where is it in the packet?
>> I didn't find it.
>> You didn't find it?
>> It's in the--
>> It should be as a revision 20--22-I.
>> It's just the insertion of the word ratifies slash approved.
>> Yes.
>> Oh okay, got it.
>> It should simply be a ratify and approved and also with 176-B were pulling on page 3 or 4 B as in boy 97549-9.
>> That's the mignon?
>> That's the contract for MIG.
>> Okay.
>> MIG.
>> Other people have questions in respect?
>> I have 2 questions, clarifications on item 176-B contract number B-97776-1 and then the one right below that.
>> Well let's deal with that one first.
>> Shall we gather all the information?
>> Well, let's just take them as they come up.
>> Okay.
>> Go ahead please.
>> Sure. That one--first let me say I'm happy that--
>> Which one is it could you repeat it again?
>> 176-B.
>> But which item, which contract?
>> B-97776-1.
>> Wait a minute.
>> Tell us which one that is please.
>> That one is the Pasadena Community Access Corporation on page 204.
>> Right.
>> Okay.
>> That one my only question is, I mean I'm all for moving forward with this. I just have asked several people and no one's been able to clarify with me, are we going to the archiving these? Will they be accessible via the PCC website? My personal opinion on this is that if we are going to invest the money in recording these meeting that they should be available--accessible to the community so that community members can access them at their discretion at their convenience.
>> Dr. Sugimoto?
>> Thank you Trustee Thomson. Mr. Miller has been shepherding this contract through and I'd like to defer this question to him.
>> Thank you Dr. Sugimoto yes, these will be available on our websites. They are being archived by PCAC and they will be made available within approximately with 24 hours of each board meeting on the website.
>> Great thank you.
>> You got another question, another item or another--?
>> Yes it's the one directly below that the PBWS this one is for the additional architectural services for the IT building. I have a student approach me fairly recently about ventilation in that building saying that there were concerns with inadequate ventilation which is particularly problematic because of the nature of the classes that happen in that building. There's a lot of exposure to stuff that we don't necessarily want to remain stagnant in buildings and so I wanted to clarify that this additional 73,000 dollars that we're giving is there some amount out of the 1.4 million total that is going to fix that issue?
>> Thank you Trustee Thomson and thank you Trustee Pack and I'm going to ask Vice President van Pelt to address this particular question. I know he has been looking at this seriously.
>> PBWS are the architects so what this is, it's an amendment to the architectural fee and the reason for that is because architects are paid a percentage of the project, therefore as change orders come through the architect actually gets a piece of the change order. The theory being that as they make changes to the plans to adapt them they get paid additional sums of money. I mean in terms of the ventilation in the building those are non-architectural issues. Those are commissioning issues in the building so those are being handled separately from the architectural fee.
>> But they are being handled?
>> Oh they are being handled, yeah.
>> So Miss Brown do you have questions? Ms. Brown?
>> Actually I do is he finished? Are you finished?
>> Yeah.
>> Is it on the same item or are we moving onto another item?
>> I just have one follow up on that one.
>> Yeah, go ahead if you have a follow up question.
>> Yeah, I wasn't exactly clear. I get that they're dealt with separately but are we going to be addressing that issue at some point?
>> Yes, it's being addressed now.
>> Thank you.
>> Trustee Brown do you have a--?
>> Yeah I had a question on B96687-6 it has to do with the--oh, is that the same one. No, I'm sorry.
>> Where are we?
>> We took that one its 1A to B. Recommended--recommends board approval for the PeopleSoft Financial Service my question is--
>> That's 180-B.
>> Yeah.
>> 180-B.
>> So we would be off the contracts then. I think he wanted to know if you had any other contracts. Is that what you were asking or just in general?
>> Oh I was asking--I was trying to--I know we typically have everybody identify their items and we go back and do it I was hoping to shortcut that but its going with each board member and have them address their issues, we'll move on to the next ones though.
>> Okay.
>> This is real simple. All I wanted to know was the training that the physical employees will be getting, is that--can you consider that as professional training or who is gonna be getting all of the employees and the fiscal office or just a particular group?
>> I'd like to have Dr. van Pelt answer this question. This is about PeopleSoft training for the L.A. County--
>> Yes.
>> Office of Education and our interfaces with them because they are the ones who handle all of our money.
>> This is actually so that we can interface with Los Angeles County Office of Education. So this is the tool that they use and the vehicle that they use for instance to run our checks, our warrants and so forth. So this is a separate issue in terms of doing business with the county of Los Angeles.
>> So what employees will be using this?
>> Well Odessa?
>> Is just one, two, all?
[ Inaudible Remark ]
>> You need to come to the mic.
>> Any new employees that are hired and need training, those are the ones that would go to LACOE, Los Angles County Office of Education to receive training. The PeopleSoft system is Los Angeles County Financial System and as Dr. van Pelt mentioned they issue our B warrants. We do not cut our checks here at PCC. So they provide several different types of services for PCC and again, if one of our employees needed to go to LACOE for training they would provide that under the PeopleSoft system.
>> So what I'm trying to understand is how many employees will be able to use the system?
>> All of the employees in my office use the system.
>> Okay.
>> All the new employees would go for training.
>> Okay, thank you.
>> Okay.
>> Trustee Brown anything else?
>> I'm through, thanks.
>> Mr. Martin?
>> On 180-B. So have--we've obviously been on the county system for years then, right? And so we've been on PeopleSoft with the L.A. County for years okay and this is 40,000 what threw me was its for a one year--it looks like about a one year term. So is it about 40,000 a year that we need to do this or is there some reason that just this year its 40,000?
[ Inaudible Remark ]
>> Okay and then I never understood that we were actually doing business services through this system at the county, I thought it was all part of Santa Rosa but apparently Santa Rosa is just student tracking and all of that, hence, the need for the enterprise resource system, okay. So this is an annual amount of development depending on how many new employees we have in your department that need to interact with the county is that--am I getting that right?
>> The training portion is just a very small portion. It's the actual interface that we're paying for.
>> Okay so it's some kind of licensing agreement really then?
>> Essentially that's what it is.
>> I was gonna say again they provide us with financial reports that we cannot generate with our own internal system. Again, they issue all of our B warrants that we pay our vendors for the services they provide for PCC's as we can't issue our own. So basically financial reports issuing B warrants we also make our deposits directly with the county so we get reports and for that--in that nature as well.
>> Do we do any--do we do any parallel tracking of that on campus?
>> Yes
>> Ourselves?
>> Yes. Yes, we have our own internal system where we have reports that are generated and also PeopleSoft so we do compare the two and we have a parallel.
>> So when we get the brick budget that's three inches thick that's coming off our system?
>> Right.
>> That's not accounting system?
>> Exactly, yeah.
>> In our system that we use what's it called just for identification purposes?
>> I call it our Legacy system.
>> Legacy.
>> As opposed to--
>> So it's not Santa Rosa and it's not whatever we use for the POs and it's not PeopleSoft, it's Legacy.
>> Well I think it's referred to as Santa Rosa but Legacy is the other word that we use when its not data tell or when its not one of banner we called it Legacy.
>> I'm just--
>> If you want to call this Santa Rosa then this is Santa Rosa.
>> No, I'm just trying to understand--identifying the names with the generic systems and kind of what they do just for my understanding of what's happening where, so actually we do, do some--Santa Rosa does do some financial services but it doesn't issue the official county check obviously?
>> Right, right we get reports.
>> Maybe I can try to explain a little bit too that--
>> Well I think--
>> The County went on PeopleSoft how many years ago? Like--because we have been tied to the county for--
>> They have a different system going on.
>> They had a different system, PeopleSoft. They transitioned to a new system also. So you're seeing PeopleSoft and PeopleSoft is one of the systems that can be one of the ERPs internal to the college or in this case it is running the county system. So sometimes people will--it's a little confusing since it is running the county system which we have been tied to for years.
>> And why this is important besides just the general understanding is as we're working towards eventually under--an ERP and understanding the ERP I think its helpful to know what we're doing now and what we will be doing in the future so it is potentially possible for us to run our own checks in the future or is that something where you just--the county has to do it?
>> Independent.
[ Inaudible Remark ]
>> So that would be short for no they will come out of the county either way. No matter what ERP, no matter what the county checks are still coming out of the county and they're holding our money and we will be banking with them, thank you, okay.
>> I don't know if this helped us, very few community colleges that are fiscally independent it tends to be a very expensive undertaking for the community college to be fiscally independent. So I mean that is something we can certainly discuss but you would want to know all of the options and the cost of that.
>> All right thank you.
>> Anything else Mr. Martin?
>> I had some other Bs I don't know if its--
>> No we're on to you, so.
>> Okay, we have several 183, 184,185 which I would call certainly very significant amounts of money. And so in a way my question is to all of them we're looking in all three of these, you know, six figures so that it's very significant and I got a little confused on the bottom of some of these as it was explaining that it went over bid but we were part of another bid, and so I'd kind of like a generic understanding of how the bidding process worked for whatever these three were and how we know we got the best bid possible and specifically if on any of these three there wasn't a competitive bid I'd like to understand that. I know that Dr. van Pelt is probably gonna ask Sherry?
>> No.
>> Oh you'll answer it okay. We'll let you do that but Sherry's is ready to go if you need to.
[ Laughter ]
>> The answer is that it does rise above the bid threshold however, the Department of General Services through their CMAS agreement has already gone through that process. And therefore by definition within the bidding community those are the lowest bids that one can attain. So essentially the state government has already bid them out for us and different public entities can then use those prices in order to get the best prices for ourselves.
>> And that's pretty much consistent about--?
>> That's true for all three.
>> For all three of those?
>> Correct.
>> And that's what's this description down here was trying to say
>> Right so it does have to be bid because it's above the threshold but it's already been bid by the state.
>> So we know this was the best competitive price for these services.
>> Correct.
>> Okay.
>> I just like to expand on that. The CMAS is through the state but GSA is federal so there are actually two different bid processes. So you're looking at mass so they are considered to be the lowest responsible bid they've gone out and done the work for us and it's done in bulk, so--
>> Then how often is CMAS or the federal--how often do they reconstitute those bids?
>> That I'm not sure of. I can check. The bidding process, the individual companies that received information regarding the bids and the requirements for the bid process are all available online, so if you'd like I could provide you with samples of the process.
>> I'm just--
>> But I'm not sure how frequently they go out.
>> No, you're helping me already I just was curious if these were last bid three months ago, six months ago, nine months ago? I was just wondering how often, do they do it once a year? You know, normally prices are rising and falling lately more falling than rising so, you know, that's kind of what's prompting that question.
>> They are extremely aggressive though so if they think there is another opportunity then they take it.
>> They'll go back out.
>> When we tap into those bids did we--for example on 185 predetermined MCI Verizon needed to be--provide whatever service or were there other competitors to MCI Verizon which MCI horizon just won the bid?
>> No and we'd actually use Verizon for the technology infrastructure upgrade, so we were familiar with their work and in terms of their prices their prices again were pre bid and I will also point out that this is the first of the construction for the center for the arts of anything that we've done so this is actual--what's called bricks and mortars for the new building.
>> Other questions?
>> Well just similarly on the other two then it wasn't that we said Comp View it's just Comp View was the best bidder?
>> Yes sir.
>> Okay.
>> But I will bring back information as to how frequently they go out and give you some more detail information because I would imagine as the construction goes forward you're gonna see a lot more of these.
>> Okay, so thank you.
>> Dr. Mann?
>> Oh I'm sorry I had other questions.
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>> On 180--again, this is a block. And it's--it's a similar question on the block of the grants 186,187 and 188 so I'm not speaking to the good work that any one of these grants are gonna do but looking at the page on each one these it says project funded district in kind match and district match. I think it would be helpful to get a 10-second definition of what that means and in particular if we see obviously a project funded means they're giving us money to do this good work. It's the districting in kind match and district match where I'm asking myself is this costing us some money that could potentially mean more classes or is it just pure gravy doing a program above the more classes that we'd want? So I'm not actually looking at what each one is doing but more trying to get in tuned to the process and assuring if we're using district dollars it go to education that were doing that wisely.
>> I can probably say something about this in terms of in kind. It's usually things that we can say we are already doing but supports the program. Normally a district match are actual dollars that we are supposed to put into it and we have been very careful with looking at grants to not have to match dollars, specific general fund dollars against the grant.
>> But we can't find in the in kind contributions such as utilities or an office space that the individual will be using. So those are the kinds of things we would consider in kind and I don't know if Dr. van Pelt or Dr. Jacobs wants to add to that.
>> Actually for the district match, it's that you have to put up money, it's usually new money find money to match it. With the in kind it's what we're already doing and we just credit that to the match. In terms of the actual use and all of these, we will be gaining because it would take us beyond what we're now doing. We will be able to give people--hire new people or other people that we don't--we do not have at this time. And the programs will be beyond. If we don't get funded for the citizenship, we're not doing it and so then we would have to hire all of those new people. So it's not planning or anything, it's--it's beyond what we're doing.
>> And all three of these grants, it's all good because--
>> Yes.
>> There is only one that even had in kind match and that hundred thousand dollars is not coming out of education, its electricity or something we're already doing.
>> It's not new.
>> So we could be assured it's all gonna be positive to whatever the--
>> Exactly. It will enhance what we're doing.
>> Without suffering the classes and I feel good to hear that. Thank you.
>> Okay.
>> Are there other questions on any of these?
>> That covers all mine, thank you.
>> Items. I had a question on 186-B if it's okay to--
>> 196-B?
>> No 186-B. The one that--one of the three that John was just referring to, the one that deals with Citizenship Development Program, have we done this type of work or program before?
>> Yes.
>> Okay.
>> We've done it before.
>> This not something new eventually.
>> In fact, when we first started the states initiative on basic skills in the first initiative had a section on citizenship in it and one it has to do with it because it would help students in terms of the basic skills area. So we started then with CEC with the component of that.
>> Okay.
>> Thank you. I'm sorry. Dr. Mann?
>> The--well I--the only one I had was 143-P and I assume other people may wanna comment on this but this is the retirement of Ellen Ligons after 40 years of service and I think Dr. Sugimoto began by commenting and as Mr. Martin on what her services has been and what it has meant to us, and I can't imagine what is going to be like to be here without her and how--
>> I think we should just refuse to accept this.
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>> How well she has--has represented the Management Association. I'm sure she remembers when we--she first talked to me and proposed of having the Management Association instead of the table. I think I was the board president then and we--we did, [inaudible] agreed to do that and I think it has enhanced our meetings. I used to feel like the more people at the table the better information you get and the better decisions and so I'm really gonna hate to see her go.
>> Mr. Baum?
>> Okay. First off I wanna thank Mr. Martin for bringing up a number of the items that I had some questions about and so we won't have to review some of those. I wanna go back to one 176-B on the contract and again, I'm not asking for detailed explanation. I just wanna make sure I have clarity on some of them. On the first page, page one of four, there is a contract for 25,000 dollars to the city of Pasadena and I was just wondering what we're paying the city of Pasadena for as a partner of ours and who's--who's managing that? And I just need to know what--why we're paying them?
>> It's in the contract.
>> To provide mentoring.
>> That's the same question.
>> Dr. Jacob This is a CTE and I think I remember we discussed that this is actually--
>> That's the Workforce Innovation Grant and what we're paying the city to do is provide mentors for students mainly high school students that are partnering with us in the career technical education area. What--I'm hoping the money will go to pay stipends to the students but I'm not real clear about that.
>> Yeah. I just--'cause to me to pay them the service managements I hope that they would offer that as a partnership as opposed to--
>> Well, sometimes we have to--
>> Seeing as a revenue source for their staff.
>> Sometimes it's easier when you have a program like this to pay the money to the city and then let the city pay the students rather than trying to pay--
>> If that's the case, that's great and so I would like to--I just--and it just has to be quick just to--if that's the case, I'd just love to get a confirmation, if that's the case.
>> We can provide that.
>> We pay them and they actually administer a financial support to the students.
>> And you'll see that again in the future with JPL and Caltech where we pay them and they pay the students.
>> I just wanna make sure that's exactly the--
>> I had a very same question on that so I would appreciate the--
>> So we'd like a written report.
>> Okay.
>> And--it could just be very short just to confirm that these funds will be used to not pay people but actually to fund the programs that they can support the students.
>> Okay we can prepare that, okay.
>> Okay. Thank you.
>> Other questions?
>> Yes. The--on the--I think it was the Delta Scientific Corporation 184-B. Is that--just when it said West Gateway, is that that unfinished area outside there?
>> Yes, it is.
>> And I just wanna know what that was going to do 'cause the hundred and some thousand dollars.
>> What that does is provide hydraulic bollards.
>> And what do those do?
>> They raise up in order to prevent vehicles from crashing through the campus, often in the middle of the night.
>> Oh, it's an actual thing--
>> It's a physical barrier.
>> That at night that'll go up to kind of block that--
>> Right.
>> Okay, thank you.
>> So it does it hydraulically so somebody doesn't have to walk in and put it in the ground in the hole.
>> Correct, kind of beefy.
>> And then--right.
>> I just wanna offer my praise to the faculty and staff who are working to develop more aggressive--going aggressively after some grants including the one for the 3.2 million for basic skills and--and I just--following up on Mr. Martin's questions. I just wanna make sure if we do get this grant, is there a high likelihood that we can get it, and will it actually align with our other basic skills initiatives?
>> And which one are you--are you talking about 188-B?
>> That would be 188-B.
>> This--and this is our--our Title V grant and I know that actually Jack--Dr. Jacobs and Mr. Miller have been working on this one very carefully and very diligently and as far as I know, we have a very high likelihood of getting this.
>> Is this a renewal of a current grant or?
>> This is not a renewal. We--we had a Title V back in the say, the early 2000's and then we had a Title V Co-op that ended approximately two years ago now. This is a second attempt at a new Title V grant. We do have I think a very strong chance of success based from what we learned with last year's application. I think it's important to know it. However, there is a great deal of competition for a Title V grants right now. However, I'm very proud of the work 'cause I know Dr. Jacobs is of our basics skills faculty, our basic skills initiative group, Dr. Klein, Nancy Robertson, and the team for putting together what we believe is an incredibly competitive grant application and we feel good about the chances but there is no guarantee as everyone knows. Now, if anybody knows anybody in DC that we can lobby for this that might be very helpful.
>> I think our congressman would be happy to endorse our grant.
>> Absolutely, absolutely.
>> His other part was--if it was connected or it relates to the initiative that we have from the state, the basic skills and the answer is yes, we work together.
>> And then one point I kept clarification, I see a WRD consulting group. Who is that and--is that a just firm that we retained to actually help us with grant preparation? So they--
>> That's correct. Dr. Melanie Tang and Dr. Tiffany [inaudible], they have a very--a very good track record. And this entity was retained approximately two years ago to help guide us in the preparation of the grant proposal which is one of the reasons why it's as tight as it is right now.
>> Sure. Thank you so much. Okay. Now, going back to 143-P. I wanna say one thing. I was delighted to see Wendie Johnston's change of status 'cause I'm always worried that we're going to lose Wendie Johnston each year and to see that she's re-upping now so going to a 12-month status with all the projects work is good news on from--from where I sit. So I was glad to see her in the audience and I just wanna add my--first and the gratitude to Ellen's wonderful leadership and she's up--she's been a mentor of mine from day one and always been very gentle and encouraging and providing both wise guidance and encouragement during many--both challenging and rewarding times here at the district so, I'd appreciate them.
>> I can't imagine there has been anybody who served this district in more different ways with--especially with such distinction as Ellen has so, thank you so much. I will miss you.
>> Well there can be more opportunities where more to be said about Ms. Ligons in a few moments.
>> Yeah.
>> But I do wanna add my notes of--or note of congratulations and appreciation to Dr. Johnston for her change of status. It's good to have you--have her stay for 12 months now not just mere 10 months. So, we appreciate that very much. Any other consent items that there are questions about?
>> I move approval to consent items.
>> Is there a second to that?
>> I second.
>> Okay, moved and seconded. Any student advisory vote please?
>> Aye.
>> All in favor say aye.
>> Aye.
>> All opposed? The motion carries. The next item is a budget update presentation and discussion and if you want--can we do GNH together or are they done separately?
>> They are separate.
>> Okay, we'll do G then.
>> So, one is just a discussion the other one with possible actions, so.
>> Okay.
>> Let's go ahead and have Dr. van Pelt talk about the budget update and I know John--Mr. Martin will contribute to those discussions. We talked about the Ad Hoc Budget Committee in that. Looking at me like no.
>> I'm contributing to this discuss--
>> In the budget committee since we've--
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>> Maybe I'll do color, how's that?
>> Okay.
>> Okay. The legislature has finally gotten around to dealing with community colleges although rather slowly and that started today. The one big item that is still on the table is the increase of fees to 40 dollars. So, there is a certain amount of traction that that's gaining in the conference committee. Most of the items that are the prickly items however, have been differed. We were told to expect "a prolonged and leisurely process" that should end up with the budget somewhere in September neighborhood and so what they said was to get ready for the long haul. Of course yesterday was the constitutional deadline for having the state budget but that's--I think it's only been met four times in like the last 30 years so it's rarely ever met. So we were on a conference call with Chancellor Scott and he did say that there were 140,000 new students that were turned away from community colleges because there just weren't classes for them. And coupled with the cut in enrollment at University of California and the CSU and the pressure elsewhere on the community colleges and in the consideration of the record high school graduating class and with the returning veterans it's just created in an impossible situation in terms of the ability of community colleges to serve their constituencies. As a result of that, I think that there is tremendous pressure on the budget to not cut and I think that it is extremely fortuitous that Dr. Scott is in fact in Sacramento and is able to use his contacts in order to make our case. They still do have an 18 to 19 billion dollar deficit and the governor insist that any budget has to have a pension solution to it, realized that we've just also heard about the STRS pension situation and they've downgraded their forecast in terms of yield from 8 percent to 7.5 percent on their funds which is meant that they now have a 57 billion dollar problem. We did get notification yesterday from STRS that they will not be an increase for the 2010-2011 year, however, there's a near certainty that they have to address this 57 billion dollar hole because it can't continue to go unfunded. We've also been notified from the comptroller's office that they are preparing for an August cash flow problem. They have told us that the June numbers are now expected to be the strongest in terms of revenue of all 12 months. It used to be April now it's June. So, far that's tracking on course and they're hoping that minimally they will meet those numbers but they're obviously hoping to exceed those numbers. They also pointed out to us that the range that we might expect on the really negative end would be to the system 150 million dollar cut. I think that that's reasonably unlikely considering the political pressure. Our share of that if the typical rule of thumb holds would be 3 million dollars. And the high water mark would be 120 million dollars to the good which is what the governor proposed. So the range of operation is somewhere in between. So with that in mind, the next Ad Hoc Budget Committee will deal with it the scenarios of how we can hit those numbers. The Ad Hoc Budget Committee as has been pointed out did meet and I would encourage people if they wanna see what has been discussed that very completely minutes that have prepared by Cindy Smith are online, so all the minutes that discuss all the issues are online. Some of the things we did talk about last time is the open position list in the ARCC funding model, so I think that we have covered all that territory and now we're going to come up to the solutions between negative 150 million and a positive 120 million dollars, and if there are any questions?
>> Are there questions? Geoff?
>> I just wanna make two points. One is that I noticed on the Blue Cross Health Benefits, that's a hard number now. We know that there will be an 11 percent increase in premiums that we'll be budgeting the cover for Blue Cross.
>> 11.27 and that is a hard number.
>> It is. That is a 728,000 dollar increased.
>> It is indeed.
>> And then Blue Cross California Care has also a significant increase at 5 and a half percent but obviously, most folks are covered under Blue Cross and that's something. And so I wanna--I'm glad this is in the Board Packet because its public information because I just wanna point out one other number that is a little bit in contrast to what we heard during public comment and you'll see that the district is budgeting 508,000 dollars or planning for the budget for step and column increases. So once we have agreements, we will be setting aside the funding to make--to ensure that we can provide step and column increases toward our staff and faculty.
>> That's right.
>> And I'm--so I encourage those of you who have friends that are hearing things on the street and the campus to the contrary. We'll see that the ecologist is budgeting for step and column increases.
>> Other questions or comments, Dr. Mann?
>> Yes. But I think as--I also am a member of the Budget Committee but I haven't been able to go since April. But I think we should point out and it's very important, this is a draft.
>> Right.
>> And so except--if the Blue Cross number is solid, that's fine but some of these other numbers are not solid and there may be adjustments up--up or down. So we're just discussing this. We're not approving this. So I think the board got in a lot of trouble about a year ago by acting on a draft and so I want us to just make sure, we understand this is a draft, it's only a draft. It's for discussion only and next time we meet, there may be--these numbers may have changed. Is that not correct Dr--?
>> There certainly will be changes. And this is the total compensation model which is a portion of the budget.
>> Right.
>> Right. But I think it's excellent that we're sharing it and so anyone can see that once as long as they see it there, it says draft then they don't--
>>Right.
>> Say well this is it.
>> Our plan--it's our planning.
>> It's a plan but it's not a final plan.
>> Correct.
>> But the point is that as of now, there is a plan to actually have an increase with respect to that of a growth of half million dollars.
>> That's correct.
>> Okay, other questions on this? Are there--Mr. Pack?
>> I have one question on the report and then one question on the actual budget proper. On the report, given your closer proximity to the 40-dollar unit increase than myself or most of the other students, what would you say is the likelihood that that's actually going to gain traction and possibly pass?
>> What we were told is that there was--the term they used was hysterical opposition and in one case, the person on the subcommittee said that the hysterical opposition was melting away in terms of the budget realities. However, there are other members who said that they were still hysterically opposed. The issue is going to come down to in the final analysis, I think if there's such pressure to fund growth from somewhere, if they can't come up with another mechanism, then there are certain numbers of legislators who believe in upping the fee. How it turns out is truly anybody's guess. You know obviously, people hope that that's--that would not be adopted.
>> Indeed, [laughs] okay so, good news, bad news, I guess on that.
>> On--I have questions on the page 13 of the packet with the green cover, the tentative budget.
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>> Okay, my mistake. We'll get to that later.
>> Dr. Mann?
>> Yes. I think that when we start talking about student fees, we always need to remember that student fees go to the general fund for the Cal State, the UC and the community colleges. So it does not necessarily and almost always means that the colleges do not get more money, it goes into the general fund and that's a way of the state for raising revenue without increasing taxes. And that I think is very important and is greatly misunderstood. Apparently, most--most understood but the legislative analyst who seems to think the students should be paying their fair share. They're paying their fair share into the general--into the general fund. And if you look back, every fee increases happened, it does not mean more money for us necessarily but it means more money for the general fund. So it's--I think it's a very, very deceptive thing that the legislature and governor does when they say this. But it's like raising auto, you know, license fees. That's not a tax. It's a way of raising revenue.
>> I know, if I may just clarify my actual concern on that it's that a 40-dollar fee increase--or an increase to 40 dollar is a bit much to handle at once and I think an incremental change would be much more reasonable and so that's why I was asking about the likelihood that that would have pass.
>> And you should know that that's the system's philosophy too. We do not want any sudden surges in fees. We want grad--if there are going to be increases in fees, they should be on a gradual pace to respond to student needs.
>> Are there questions about the budget?
>> Just a quick comment Trustee Pack. The comments that we received certainly were about the incredible increase that it wasn't a consistent toward a gentle increase. So there are real concerns about that if they are gonna do it at all. And Dr. Mann is absolutely correct. All those funds go back into the state general fund and then get divvied up and so there's real concern about it being another revenue enhancing strategy but it doesn't necessarily come back to the community colleges per se.
>> Are there questions on this or can we move on to the Public Hearing and Adoption of Fiscal Year 2010-2011 Tentative Budget? Okay, let's move to that one then please.
>> Thank you Trustee Thomson and this is another one for Dr. van Pelt.
>> Well, the first step is to actually have--open and close the Public Hearing.
>> Okay.
>> You need to open that.
>> Okay, let's open the Public Hearing, anyone wishing to address the board on this topic? Seeing none, we'll close the Public Hearing.
>> Mr. Thomson, I would like to move--
>> Yeah.
>> Approval of the Tentative Budget because my understanding it's just a roll over. Is that correct?
>> That's correct.
>> Okay.
>> Is there a second?
>> I'll second.
>> Okay, moved and seconded. Is there a discussion or other questions? Trustee?
>> Yeah, I just have a question on--again on page 13, the last column that says Tentative Budget. I do get that it's a roll over. But realistically, given the circumstances that we're in right now as a state and as a community college system, what would you say is the projected impact on the ending balance of our reserve? Are we subtracting from that ultimately like after all that's said and done, after the college has gotten its money from the state, will we be taking away from that?
>> Okay, and understand that as a Tentative Budget, this is--this one will be superseded by the will budget, so all that this one does is that it allows us to continue business until we adopt the final budget. So this one, you really cannot use for projecting ending balances in the coming year. This one, as soon as we--as soon as the board adopts the budget, the final budget, this one goes immediately away. So all that work that we're doing in the Ad Hoc Budget Advisory Committee is what sets us up for the permanent, the final budget.
>> Other questions on this? Yes.
>> But I think, if I'm not mistaken Mr. Pack, what your asking is if there is in some sense about what an ending balance might be coming in?
>> No, like just a general idea of what the impact on the reserved might be after everything is done.
>> I don't think that's--I don't think that's pertinent to this discussion. This is--what Dr. van Pelt just told us that's the Tentative Budget and I think we ought to vote on this and then if doc--if you want to take that back under the budget update, I think that might be appropriate.
>> Well I can a couple of dots maybe to help.
>> Yeah.
>> When we did last year's budget, it was my recollection that in the budget, we allocated 3 million dollars from reserves to balance the budget. Am I right on that Dr. van Pelt?
>> It's very close to 3 million, yes, a little under I think.
>> And this being just a photocopy of last year's budget which we know is just a placeholder so let's not get excited would imply that we would commit another 3 million dollars this year from reserves.
>> Reserve.
>> Now that's the budget. We don't know how things actually are gonna end up but that, if everything ended up exactly like it was budgeted, we would have to start by 3 million dollars coming out of reserves this year too. So we have to see how things really ended last year, decide what we're gonna do this year. Obviously, you can only do that so long but we did it last year. We'll see how things turn out and starting with the roll over, it's in there to do it again.
>> Other questions? Are you ready to vote on this?
>> Its another subtle point that somehow gets missed in all these discussions. [Laughter] It just kind of happened last year. We kicked in 3 million from reserve and I hear a lot of complaints about we don't kick in from reserve and yet I know last year we did. So we'll see where it all goes.
>> Okay there's a motion and second to adopt the 20--Fiscal Year 2010-2011 Tentative Budget , any other discussion? All in favor please--or student advisory vote?
>> Aye.
>> Aye.
>> All in favor say aye.
>> Aye.
>> I'm a student.
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>> You're not a student anymore.
>> Yeah.
>> All in favor to say Aye.
>> I'm still learning.
>> Okay.
>> All opposed? Motion carries.
>> We now move to Item I, Adoption of Resolution Number 459 Conferring Campus Special Recognition on Ellen Ligons.
>> Can we take the next 3 up as a group and offer a motion for all of three?
>> I think and I'd like to. I think we should deal with them individually because we're giving recognition to special people and in one case a group and I think let's just have a short presentation as to.
>> So I move approval.
>> Second.
>> Okay.
>> Someone want to mention at least what we're approving?
[ Laughter ]
>> What recognition we're giving her?
>> Sure and Dr. Thayer can even comment on this because I think this is one of the areas that he knows best but every year we recognize individuals internal to the campus and external to the campus who have contributed to the college in many ways and Dr. Thayer, maybe you can give us an idea of how these were brought to us.
>> Basically, we solicit recommendations from the campus, committee meets, we met three times. We discussed the information for the campus and community recognition and then we moved forward with the recommendation to approve based upon the contribution of the individuals as well as the community organizations to the campus.
>> Very good, well deserved, any other comments or questions? And there has been a motion made and seconded any Student Advisory vote?
>> Aye. If I can just comment early quickly?
>> Sure.
>> I think in the time that I've been involved with Student Government at PCC attending Board of Trustee's meeting as an audience member, Dean Ligons has consistently been one of the friendliest, most approachable and just the brightest smiling people that I've met at PCC and I've had a great experience interacting with every here but Dean Ligons has been particularly kind and I definitely just have to say that while I may not have the lengthy experience working with her that other people in the college have had that she truly has made my experience at PCC in the past year just that much better. And so I wanna thank you for that.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay, I assume that's an Aye.
>> Aye.
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>> All in favor of the motion, please say Aye.
>> Aye.
>> Anybody opposed? Motion carries. Congratulations, again.
>> Thank you. I'm very honored and I appreciate the recognition.
>> Yeah, okay, Item J, Sister Mary Joel Scully.
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>> Move approval.
>> Second.
>> Second.
>> This is recognition for the same type of thing Dr. Thayer?
>> Yes it is.
>> Okay, good. Student Advisory Vote?
>> Aye.
>> All in favor say Aye.
>> Aye.
>> Anybody opposed? Motion carries. Item K.
>> Move approval.
>> This is for?
>> Hutto-Patterson.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay.
>> The Hutto-Patterson Charitable Foundation, is there a second?
>> Second.
>> Okay. Any comments--
>> The student trustee.
>> Any comments or questions?
>> Question, what if they--what is that commitment to the Center for the Arts? I know I'm aware of what they have done for our gyms.
>> The amount?
>> I mean, is there specific facility within the center that will--that is being supported by gift from the Hutto-Patterson Foundation?
>> Actually, it's the plaza area that will name after their parents, Claire and Jerome Hutto. So that is the area that they have contributed.
>> As a significant gift?
>> It's fairly significant gift, yes.
>> Dr. Mann?
>> Yeah, I hate to just really throw us kinda in the wheel here but we have a--we look at the board policy on naming buildings and I know the foundation has received lots of money for different things. As far as I can tell, the board has not approved any of these naming opportunities, have they?
>> Yes, they have.
>> They did?
>> Yes. And I can't remember when but I asked Elaine to make sure that in the packet materials so I'll have her make sure she gets that.
>> I saw packet material. I just didn't see any board action.
>> This packet?
>> Not in this one, no, but this was previous. I'll find that.
>> No, excuse me, Lisa. What I saw was the list of the levels and it said like a hundred thousands had been it was--had been utilized but there was no name as to who took it. So, would you please check this because I think what happens before we start putting names of is this should come to the board so we can move to approve it. I could be wrong but if you would check, it I'd really appreciate it.
>> Let me talk to you afterwards because I think there are two things that seemed to need to happen here so let me--
>> Okay, alright. I'm really uncomfortable saying you're renaming this, renaming this because the Board has not agreed to do it and second thing although this is not really appropriate here. We developed this policy because we had different groups on campus, naming corners, dedicating fountains. Doing, I mean doing all this kind of thing and then we said only the Board can name any facility at all so that's some thing I think we just need to take care. We can do it in a one motion.
>> Okay.
>> Is it appropriate to continue with the action on this?
>> Absolutely 'cause this does not saying anything about a name, you know.
>> I think we should have that on future agenda.
>> Yeah.
>> Student advisory vote?
>> Aye.
>> All in favor say aye.
>> Aye.
>> Aye.
>> All oppose? Motion carries. Next is item L, Additions and Deletions to the Credit Curriculum: Discussion with Possible Action.
>> Move approval of the additions and deletions.
>> Second.
>> Been moved and seconded. Anybody else have questions on this?
>> I have question?
>> Pack?
>> I see a lot of additions particularly Kinesiology, Health And Athletics and I'm wondering if these added courses are part of some like certificate or transfer program or something like that. Why do we have so many at once that are being approved?
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>> Dean Tate the dean and the athletic director of Kinesiology, Health & Athletics and if you look at the list of courses, most of our intercollegiate teams also have theory classes. So the baseball class has theory class. Our soft ball coach was teaching that class but her class is fast-pitch softball. So for years, she never had or the team never had its own theory class so that's as reason for the softball class being added. The soccer team never had a theory class ever so that's the reason for the introduction to that one. And then the other issue is that we had students returning so there was just A level and the classes were not repeatable so we divided the classes so there's a basic fundamental level and then advance level.
>> Thank you.
>> You're welcome.
>> Other questions with respect to this, Dr. Mann?
>> Yes. When I saw this and it says analysis advanced theory and teaching I thought this was for like students who were preparing to be coaches this or trainers or something. Is this just for someone who is interested in playing the sport?
>> Well, someone who is interested in playing sport but anyone take our intercollegiate classes. Not just those in our team but anyone also can take this--the theory classes as well. We have other students who are not on the football team or on the football theory class. So there are those who are on the team who take the class, most of them do and there were those who are also just--excuse me--it's late at night that dinner is in 7, interested in the games of either football or soccer or softball.
>> Dr. Sugimoto, in relation to what Dean Tate just told us, you know, one of the things we've been hearing from the chancellor's office and the legislature is that we're supposed to be cutting back on P.E. There's a lot of examination of P.E. course and classes that are regarded as recreational.
>> But these are not [inaudible].
>> These are just theory class.
>> Yeah, these are theory classes. This is not recreational.
>> I understand--I understand that but I really wonder if it's a really smart idea to approve 7 of these classes at this time which are not designed for students who are looking at career in coaching and so forth where anyone interested can take it.
>> But if the curriculum for these classes, there are units on coaching within. It's embedded within the curriculum of many of these classes. And, you know, you have a lot of when we did--we have a meeting where we invited the athletic directors and coaches from the local high schools to meet with our coaches. And many of them talked about the interest of students at the local high schools. They're interested in getting certificates in swimming. They're interested in coaching. They're interested in being officials. So I think these classes are really not only viable for our students who are in the teams or students who are interested but also those who are coming from the high school levels as well.
>> I have no problem approving these classes as, you know, as pedagogue in the curriculum. I'm just raising this as a political issue because, you know, the legislature was going to cut all funding for P.E. classes in community colleges at one point. And maybe Mr. Baum who is on the board, you know, of court of governors could comment on this.
>> As I read this, this is a different set of courses. The courses that we have been discussing statewide are the enrichment courses like yoga for seniors or things like that. These are classroom courses that, I believe it appears, lead to a degree or certificate in kinesio--
>> Kinesiology.
>> Kinesiology.
>> And may I just say that was the reason why we focus away from the, what we call the recreational courses. And so, instead of offering or some of the faculty may have a whole curriculum and the whole schedule of recreational maybe tennis or other sports. We now will be able to offer this type of classes for those that we offer and they would be able to be transferred or used otherwise.
>> Right and these are transferable. And we did in our division developed a kinesiology and wellness major so.
>> Other question with respect to this?
>> I just want to clarify to make sure we're absolutely--starting that all of these classes can be put toward about kinesiology certificate?
>> Yes.
>> Cool.
>> Major, major of interest.
>> Major.
>> Yes. And they are also transferable.
>> I have question as to why we're deleting all of these courses and programs in science and engineering.
>> That was anticipated so I--the dean is here.
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>> We have a very good reason. Alright, you wanna tell it?
>> Good evening. My name is Doug Haines, the Dean of Engineering and Technology. In the courses GR Comp 162 through 265 these deal with the offset printing. The course content, the equipment is not available and does not fit the needs of the market place so there's no need to have the programs. They don't need the job skills.
>> Okay. How about performing communication, arts, TV and radio broadcast technology, electronics and computer technology, electronics technology.
>> And Dr. [inaudible] is here.
>> Part of those deal, and they deal with Dr. [inaudible], the electronics and the computer technology the same area. We're way off chart with curriculum. They're not leaving the job skills. We're refining our programs in those areas to energy and the [inaudible] area so these are--
>> I'm not following why studying electronics or computer technology would not lead to jobs in industry.
>> The way those certificates have been designed. The way the faculty has directed the programs there's not marketable jobs in this area.
>> But tell me about the program. We do have electronic program.
>> Well, we are still keeping our program in basic digital technician. That is another one of our certificates in this area but these are designed to repair computers which typically people do not and also design circuit board and old style board production.
>> That's helpful. Thank you.
>> Thank you.
>> I'm Jim [inaudible] of Performing and Communication Arts. The radio broadcast technology certificate program was interdisciplinary with one in the engineering and technology. That one is already been deleted. We were earlier in the curriculum cycles so we didn't onboard when the policy finally allowed us to put these to delete certificates to delete certificate so that's already be--already been deleted.
>> So the certificate really was to train people to work on transmitters to work on the lengths between the radio station and the towers, that kind of thing. There's very few entry level jobs in those position. People work in to those kind of careers long in to their career so there's no entry level jobs.
>> Thank, that's very helpful. Other questions with respect to any of this?
>> Okay. Student trustee?
>> Aye.
>> All there, please say aye.
>> Aye.
>> All opposed, motion carries. Okay. We--and I think Mr. Baum was gonna suggest that we might need to take up item M. Is that correct?
>> We can postpone it to a future meeting.
>> Okay. And what about N?
>> It's just getting late. N, I just wanted to raise the--it was just a direction. We had a presentation earlier in the year about some of our facilities are used more by outside organizations than even our own internal academic programs and so I wanted to request that we ask the administration to help develop a policy related to the use of that. The on the side note, I've just noticed since I've been on campus lately, the quad has become something of a bizarre swap meet atmosphere with people selling sunglasses and jewelry and things like that. At some point, I'm gonna suggest that we look at what types of organizations are invited to market their goods and services to our students. I understand the free speech areas but the commercial areas, but anyway, so I'm gonna ask for the Board and I'm going to move that we direct the administration to review and recommend a policy through all the coordinating bodies, a policy to be brought back to the board that governs the use of campus facilities by non-campus organizations.
>> Is there a second motion?
>> I actually have a question why is--
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>> I'll second it.
>> Okay. Now, go ahead. I'm sorry.
>> I wanted to know why do we wanna change the way vendors are--what they're selling?
>> My--that--and that's--this is separation. I've mixed two things up but it's just do we wanna allow a swap meet atmosphere for anybody who pays a certain fee to set up a shop whether they are commercial or nonprofit or something like that in the quad? I'd like to think of our campuses at least at somewhat of a haven from commercial marketing that like our students can focus on studies not whether they should buy the latest pair of sunglasses, but anyway.
>> Dr. Sugimoto?
>> Perhaps what I can have done because it sounds like you need some sort of information, we can get that in a written report about how that happens. But this is specific to you requesting that a policy be develop on the use of facilities by non--
>> Campus organizations or a review of the policy.
>> I think we have one already. I think when the Ad Hoc Budget Committee discussed this briefly. It was maybe a you may, and I'm trying to put words in your mouth but you're trying to do, it wasn't so much that the policy had any flaws but maybe it was time to revise the fees that we charge based on what your cost are.
>> And I--because I was--I will put something straight on the table. We approved every year about 50,000 dollars to Jack Schulman to maintain our pool. I didn't know each time I approve that that there's an outside organization that uses our pool more than PCC aquatics programs use that for. So why are we subsidizing an outside organizations use of our pool?
>> Well, I would say that what--whether we are subsidizing or not, it would be a function of the cost of the pool for their use and the prize that they're paying would go back to the Ad Hoc Budget Committee recommendation to review the fees more than if the pools not in use. I think the policy we have encourages that.
>> I think the issue maybe more than of exclusivity of use because taking specifically the pool issue. There is available water time that's not being used but yet over the years, it's been very difficult for other organizations to gain access to use the pool for that time even by paying the college money. That's being addressed and being dealt with. I think that's been a part of it.
>> If I were Tony Robbins and wanted to use [inaudible] to do my Tony Robbins seminars, can I come up with a system where I have that for more times than the [inaudible] is actually used?
>> Can you let me--I know what you're asking, there are two things that are on the table here. One is the presentation or and approved for us to use some staff time for this. The other is a request for a policy and I think I'd like either Dr. van Pelt or Sherri to address the policy issue, if at least you can get that information that might be helpful.
>> I'm confident now there is a policy.
>> There is an old policy that needs to be reviewed. But in addition to the district policy, there is an Ed Code that states on each and every community college, there shall be a civic center.
>> I understand.
>> So we are required to allow outside for profit and nonprofit agencies to come in but we do have a priority student instructional program first that's all there.
>> Right. So let's come back and review that so we're all aware of that.
>> Yes.
>> So first thing is we would like to make sure that we bring the policy back so that can go through its regular process however and that's really what should happen. We'll need to bring it through the shared governance process to proceed to this body. It's also online so you can begin looking at that. And then the other question is, do you wish to have a work on and report to you on the use of facilities by non-campus organizations or is that truly the policy?
>> It's the--it would be covered by the policy and that we would review the fee structure and the exclusivity in the practice of such that. It would be great to have that information.
>> Mr. Martin?
>> I would just suggest just for starters why don't we get printed as part of that report what the current policy is? And then you can give us the analytical part that goes behind it, is there some place where [inaudible] appropriately being recognized? And if we see what--it's easy to say, let's just shove it off to the shared governance but, you know, there's a lot of issues going on over there and I just assume why don't we take a first look at it? Maybe the policy itself okay and just the numbers needed to be revised and let them crunch their time on something that's of higher priority. And maybe when we see it and review it is part of the numbers we say, yeah this is really is that data. This doesn't allow whatever is supposed to happen with the water time. Let's send it to them.
>> Well, let me ask Mr. Baum, would that be satisfactory?
>> Yeah. I just wanna make sure that we have the opportunity as a board to address some of the issues that I have concerns so I just wanna have a--
>> Would it be okay to start with look at the existing policy and then go from there?
>> Yeah. Sure. And because we did get a report on the use of the pool already so we--the staff has already invested some time in it but I've subsequently I've seen two YouTube videos that showed marketing activities being taken on this campus that are not necessarily been sanctioned. One is, that are used by commercial organizations to market their products.
>> Dr. Mann?
>> Yes. And I really like to look at it also because I--the first time I saw this there's a full page ad in the Star News for some motivational speaker and you pay hundreds of dollars and learn how to do this and it was being held at PCC in a PCC facility. And that kinda raise some questions in my mind and I don't know if it's possible to make difference between a commercial entity and say a community entity because, Mr. Martin I hope can remember this.
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>> But when we were--when you know, when the Community Education Center was--we we're negotiating with the neighbors on the Community Education Center, we asked the neighbors, what could we give to the community? And we thoughts since this was an area with a lot of small children they say, well, we might want a playground or something. And what they said is we would like a place where the community can meet, where we can have a community meeting and [inaudible].
>> Without a kitchen.
>> What? With the kitchen?
>> Without a kitchen.
>> Without a kitchen. So anyway, that's--that was part of the thinking behind the, you know, the community education center. But I've had many, many groups in--from east Pasadena who have contacted me and said, "You know, it's too expensive, we cannot", just a minute let me just say what they say, "the cost is beyond our ability as a kind of grassroots group or neighborhood association or whatever to use this facility." So, I'm not saying we--that we are charging too much or charging too little but I would like for us to look and see if there is what kind of difference we could make from someone coming in making, you know, hundreds of thousands of dollars and then a neighborhood association which has virtually no money at all.
>> Is that acceptable?
>> Yeah, and I would like for us to see if we can include that, that would be great.
>> I would welcome that.
>> Alright.
>> Do the staff kind of have the marching orders?
>> It sounds like it, we're okay.
>> To review the policy governing that.
>> Okay. We are now done with the future board meeting dates.
>> We need to vote.
>> No, do we need to have any type of voting?
>> I don't. Well--
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>> What's that?
>> Okay. Do you wanna make a motion to that effect then?
>> I already moved it and that--
[ Inaudible Remark ]
>> Okay. Move seconded, trustee advisory vote?
>> Aye
>> Others, vote aye please.
>> Aye.
>> Any one who say no? Motion carries. Future board meeting dates; July 21st, regular meeting August the 4th, August 18. That's basically it for now. Future agenda item.
>> I have a question. I thought we we're meeting on July the--whatever it would be, July the 14th rather than the 21st.
>> The third Wednesday would be the 21st.
>> The third Wednesday would be the 21st. But I wonder if, since we're having a new president coming in, if we wanna wait this long to meet?
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>> This was the date that's on the calendar and it was the transition date that was supposed to occur. So if you wish to change it, then I guess you can move it. I will not be here on the--before that.
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>> No. I was being actually [inaudible].
>> I would--I would.
>> You know, that would be up to the board.
>> Okay. Mr. Baum.
>> I would actually take the opposite point of view in that, maybe with a new president give--give the new president an extra week to get the [inaudible]. The other one though that I was going to recommend given that we will have a new president and a few other factors that maybe one of our meetings in August should actually be a retreat.
>> Yeah.
>> As oppose to--
>> Mr. Martin?
>> I was gonna say something similar. Again, there are some ideas here that the day he arrives, he can settle negotiations and understand everything about PCC and walk in here and handle a great board meeting and--I mean, but I think I know where the mens room is, you know. I mean, it takes time just to get to understand how it's organized and who's who and--
>> So I think what we're saying is we're gonna keep July 21 as the date.
>> Yeah. I think give him--give him some time.
>> Okay, we're good with that. But I would say I think the possibility of retreat sometime in early August is very, just think possibility is something we're gonna wanna pursue when Dr. Rocha has arrived.
>> And unfortunately, I will be gone in a week, the 18th.
>> Yeah. I will be as well. So we might wanna change that date. I guess [inaudible] up to the next board meeting so.
>> Future agenda items, Mr. Pack?
>> Nothing to request at the moment.
>> Trustee Brown?
>> No.
>> Mr. Martin?
>> Dr. Mann?
>> Yes. I would like to have the name in the facilities as a future agenda item.
>> Mr. Baum?
>> None.
>> I would like to have maybe as a report, it don't have to be a--necessarily an agenda item but kind of a report. We heard a lot of comments this evening from the Veterans Association about a Veterans Center and related issues related to that, the idea of a hub, et cetera. I'd like to have a report on where the discussion stand at the present time as to getting a center and whatever it pertains to that. Other board--future agenda items? Okay, anything else for this evening? Mr. Tsay, this is your last meeting.
>> I guess I forgot to say that but this now will be my last meeting. Thank you all for giving me a wonderful experience here at PCC and I will be transferring to UC Riverside.
>> To where?
>> Riverside.
>> Very good. Excellent.
>> Great. It's wonderful.
>> Alright.
[ Applause ]
>> Well, as I get to adjourn this meeting, I would like to say thank you to all of you for bearing with me this evening after Dr. Hilary Bradbury-Huang's departure and my taking over so I appreciate that very, very much. And I will say to Ms. Ligons we're going to miss you. Dr. Bickley, we're gonna miss you as well. Where are you?
[ Laughter ]
>> This is Dr. Sugimoto's last meeting.
>> And absolutely, Dr. Sugimoto, we will see you on commencement and not [inaudible] for that but I wanna really emphasize what's been said by so many that you've done an absolutely marvelous job in a very difficult time when you step in and took over.
[ Applause ]
>> And we are very, very grateful for your leadership so thank you very much. And on that note, we will adjourn.
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