On this episode of The Federalist Radio Hour, Kilcullen explains why countries around the world are either “dragons” or “snakes.” Both dragons and snakes have evolved post-Cold War and now these bad actors are plaguing the international stage and attacking the West, according to Kilcullen.

“We have slain a large ‘dragon,’ talking about the Soviet Union, but now [the United States] finds [itself] in a jungle filled a bewildering variety of poisonous ‘snakes.’ And in many ways the ‘dragon’ was easier to keep track of,” Kilcullen argues.