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Now, this is something I've seen happen in quite a few fights on SL. Player A casts a genjutsu. Player B not only notices that they've been caught in a genjutsu, but also dispels said genjutsu all in a span of time that's effectively instantaneous.

Here's a recent example of this (with name's redacted because I don't want to be that guy): "Thankfully she had her doujtusu active! Once ___’s genjutsu was cast, ____ was able to see through it and break it nearly as quickly as it was developed."

"Nearly as quickly as it was developed". That kind of thing comes off as incredibly cheap to me, even with Dojutsu. Please, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the canon show that even Sharingan users had to take SOME time (enough time for an opponent to potentially capitalize on them being under a genjutsu) in order to dispel / reverse a genjutsu?

An example that comes to mind is when Kurenai and Itachi fought: Skip to 3:40. Itachi is a master with the sharingan, and yet nearly 2 dozen seconds passed before he reversed the genjutsu on Kurenai. I suppose one could argue that he chose to wait that long, but why would he do that instead of just reversing it as quickly as he could?

That aside, the point I'm making is that people shouldn't be allowed to just insta-break genjutsu because it reduces genjutsu to a meaningless aspect of the game. The only scenario that I can think of in which it'd be acceptable to do that is if I have EMS and a novice with no dojutsu tries to cast a genjutsu on me. But this insta-breaking of genjutsu definitely shouldn't be happening with "high level" people or people who both have dojutsu that make them more adept at genjutsu.

I've watched in silence for a while now, but a recent spat involving a certain someone on the wiki made me feel like I needed to post this. A lot of arguments happen on SL, particularly surrounding the Biju fights. Arguments happen ad nauseaum. Since it doesn't seem like this trend is going to end any time soon, I figure we could all take the time to learn how to argue better so it isn't so irritating to read.

Any boxers, judokas, jiu-jiteiros, etc here? If so, what do (or did) you train in and for how long? And what rank are you currently or what was your last rank when you did train?

Edit: I forgot to actually say what I've trained in.

I started in Tae Kwon Do when I was like four. I ended up doing that until I was around 10 or 11. I can't actually remember the belt just prior but I stopped before getting my brown belt. After that I trained with my dad and cousin, both of which have an extensive background in boxing, karate and some other martial arts. That lasted until I got to high school and I started training in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.

I've been doing that ever since and I'm a blue belt. Actually just got back from practice about an hour ago.

So I was thinking just now and I was wondering if anyone would be interested in fleshing out the economics of ninja villages and countries? This was something that Kishimoto never expounded on save for saying that 1 ryo is equal to 10 yen (or about a dime in the U.S.) and explaining how much ninjas are payed per mission based on their rank.

I think it'd be fun to do, plus it gives us the opportunity to learn more about macroeconomics, which is always exciting and useful to know.

Age: 23Gender: MVillage: UzushiogakurePhysical Description: To say that the Imperatorem's appearance is out of the order is an understatement. He sports the red hair made famous by the Uzumaki clan and eyes of a rich crimson. He stands at a towering 6'7" and wears a black shihakushō with two white shoulder plates crossing his chest in an X shape that hold his weapons in place, with the plate on his left shoulder having three sections adorned with red scales, and a white cloak with black markings tied around his waist.

Once a judge is agreed upon, either before the fight starts or the first time a decision is needed, they are the judge for the rest of the fight.

The Challenger and Jinchuriki each have a one time ability to boot a judge. If the agreed upon judge makes a decision just so despicable that you need to get a new one you can say that after this decision you are requesting a new judge. Each participant can do this ONCE, and NOT while a decision is being made. Once a new judge is picked they are the set judge for the rest of the fight, or until the remaining boot is used on them.

Resets and Claims

You cannot borrow techniques from your friends like Dust Release or Hirashin. You can only use what abilities and tools you have In-Character during the fight.

I do not enforce you to have in-game kg in order to claim kg in rp. The abilities claim to have must have been in your possession prior to issuing a challenge and must have been verified through RP in some manner. Posting

If you take 7 days to post, the fight will be called off and you will be declared the loser. Note that the timer does not reset if you posted once and then have to repost.

Everyone gets ONE repost only.

Even if you use clones or summons, you still only get 3 actions.

How to Challenge and Prerequisites

If the challenger has a bijuu(s) they will be putting said beast(s) on the line as well.

Before the fight starts both of us are to send links to each others character page and technique pages, etc. Alternatively, you can send me a message of all of your pertinent abilities and their details. Anything you want to use in the fight you must have on the Wikia or some other website, or have sent in a message.

Any seals, weapons, summons, dank memes that you try to use during the fight that were not linked will be voided. This is to prevent you from pulling it out of your ass.

If you link to a weapon that says you can seal chakra into it that's fine. However if in the fight you try to say it can unseal chakra from it I will void that. It is not my fault you didn't write that into your weapons ability when you sent the link.

Voids

Swift ReleaseIzanamiBody Revival Technique (If used to survive opening the 8th Gate. That was made before we knew what the 8th Gate does, regeneration does not let you tank disintegrating into ash.) Uchiha ReturnHijutsu: KirisameAnything that we talked about in Pms that I or you are not allowed to use in the fight.Claiming to be smarter than me / superior to me in anything related to processing speed or power of the brain. Also claiming to be better versed in technology than me. You're not.Absolute Zero nonsense. I try not to let my science knowledge to interfere too much, but this is just one thing I can’t allow.Moving at the speed of light. Same reason as above.Other absurd scientific nonsense.

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No you cannot run away from the fight. Doing so will result in you being voided.No you cannot have your chakra touch me and then FTG to me. You MUST emote placing a seal.Attempts to escape Kamui will be voided. Opinions on the matter are varied and based solely on assumption. We can only go on what is known and that is it has never shown you can so you can't.

Basically keep an archive of everything you claim to have/use and rp in a normal manner. Do not try to bend the rules. The above extras are perfect examples of what not to try.

Subject to change anytime I feel like it

(Had to shamelessly rip off Shadow's template because it was so nice. <3)

I'm aware that if you don't post within 7 days of the last post, you forfeit, but do you have to post an actual reply? I ask because although Zera requested a judge ruling, we're nearing the 7 day mark and she has yet to reply to (or read) any of my messages on the subject.

After reading over the "Quantifying SL" topic, I decided to give the same thing a shot. I liked Eric's basic system, so I'll be quoting him directly. The rest of this comes from a website I frequented years ago known as Bleach Gotei, I just edited it a bit for it to make sense here. It'll cover an attempt to create a numbering system for not just Chakra, but other aspects of SL like Ninjutsu, Taijutsu, and Weapon prowess, chakra control, combat distances, and advantages/disadvantages based on skill-set.

In order for this to work effectively, we'd need to come up with a "currency" system of some sort that can be used to upgrade different aspects of our characters. I'm thinking this can be earned based on the number of words in each post on the forums or in serious roleplays on public boards on SL. This would also give people an incentive to improve their writing.

This would have have people of said chakra ranks performing approximately 4 jutsu of their chakra rank but none of a rank higher than. This is completely and utterly base: no enhancements, no reductions due to specialties or "great chakra control" (whatever that means in SL language), just a Kakashi-esque character who has no chakra boosting capabilities but is efficient enough in chakra control not to waste a great amount of chakra performing moves.

Chakra is not technically a stat so much as it is an aggregate of all stats—the total energetic pressure a character exerts upon the world around them. The higher this number, generally the more powerful the character.

Strength is a representation of a character’s physical power, how potent their muscles are when performing strenuous activities such as punching or swinging a sword. Strength is offensive in nature.

Defense is a representation of a character’s durability, how resistant their body is to damage. Defense is defensive in nature.

Speed is a representation of a character’s maneuverability, how well they are able to dodge blows and navigate the battlefield. Speed is defensive in nature.

Spirit is a representation of a character’s spiritual potency, how powerful their jutsu or other nonphysical attacks might be. Spirit is offensive in nature.

Common misconceptions include Defense being used to block, or that Speed governs the speed of one’s attacks. Defense is a measure of how tough a character’s body is, not how well they block—blocking is done with either Strength or Spirit. Speed is a measure of how quickly they can move from point A to point B, not how fast they can swing a sword or fire an energy beam. Other common misconceptions are that Spirit, due to its nebulous nature, can do “everything”, or that Strength is limited to melee attacks. Neither of these are true—Spirit (much like Strength) cannot be used as a substitute for other stats, and Strength can just as easily be used to attack from range using e.g. a javelin or other physical projectile.

Stat Caps

Stat caps exist in order to prevent rampant overspecialization in a character, and impose both upper and lower limits on how Chakra may be allocated across the four stats.

The lowest any one stat can be is 10% of your character’s Chakra (rounded up to the nearest integer). For example, this means that if your character has 150 Chakra, they cannot have any stat lower than 15. If they have 151 Chakra, they cannot have any stat lower than 16.

The highest any one stat can be is limited by what is termed the Base Stat Cap. The Base Stat Cap grows by 10 for every 25 Chakra a character has. For example, this means that at 100 Chakra, a character cannot have any one stat above 40. At 150 Chakra, they cannot have any one stat above 60, and so on.

Skills

What are Skills?

Skills are the qualitative representation of character power on Shinobi Legends and serve as a natural extension to stats. They show a character’s understanding of how to translate the power in their muscles or the chakra potency within them into action, and have several ranks which govern how well this is achieved. A popular way to phrase it is that stats represent raw power, and skills are the lens through which this power is focused. A character may be very strong physically, but without the knowledge of how to put that strength to good use, they will often find themselves at the mercy of those who are more well versed in the martial arts.

Every skill on Shinobi Legends has seven ranks (eight, if you count not having the skill as a separate rank!), each with an associated __ cost. These ranks and prices are as follows:Rank 0: NoneRank 1: Beginner ()Rank 2: Novice ()Rank 3: Journeyman ()Rank 4: Expert ()Rank 5: Master ()Rank 6: Grandmaster ()Rank 7: Transcendent ()The prices listed are the total __ necessary to reach that level, which is to say an Expert-rank skill costs __, and raising that skill to Master costs only __ .Ranks 5 and above are referred to as Masteries on Shinobi Legends and are not available by default; they must be requested by showing a character’s development in that field.

Universal Skills

All characters (save for non-combatants) on SL have a core set of skills no matter which occupation they belong to. These skills may differ in superficial aspects, but they represent the same things. The four core skills, termed Universal Skills, are Weapon Proficiency, Taijutsu, Ninjutsu and Chakra Control.

Weapon Proficiency

Weapon Proficiency is the skill that governs the user's martial prowess with the weapon they choose to wield. For example, for Samurai this governs their prowess in wielding both their sword of choice, while for Puppeteers it governs the puppeteers and the weapons weapons they employ.

At Beginner rank, most users have only just begun to use their weapon and have a cursory familiarity with it. The user will find it tiring to fight with this weapon for long periods of time. It isn’t until they advance to Novice rank that they will have a tangible grasp of the fundamentals.By Journeyman rank the user is quite formidable with their weapon. Not only is basic use a triviality for them but they’ve begun to use their weapon in more advanced ways, such as aim for their opponent's vital organs and gaps where their armor is thinnest.When Expert rank is achieved not only the user has learned all that can be taught about how to use their weapon, but they have also come to understand it on a fundamental level. They understand the precise nature of how its weighted and balanced, where its center of gravity lies, and precisely how it will react when they wield it against an enemy.At Master Rank, the user has deepned their connection to their weapon that it has become an extension of their being. A master's use of their weapon is not a conscious application, but an unconscious one. This allows them to strike with their weapon as a matter of instinct, allowing them to simply act without having to think of where and how they want to strike.

Taijutsu

Taijutsu is the skill that govern's the user's martial prowess with their physical body. Characters on Shinobi Legends are capable of possessing a wide array of physical appendages beyond the conventional two arms and two legs that most humanoids possess, but as long as it is a part of the user's own body that is being utilized, it falls under Taijutsu.

At Beginner rank, the user is an amateur in fighting with their body and they'll find it to be an exceptionally taxing process in prolonged encounters. They understand the raw basics, such as how to throw a punch, but their style is riddled with flaws for an expert to exploit.At Novice rank, the user has begun to master the fundamental basics of hand-to-hand combat, and are capable of using basic techniques and strikes with consistency and with far less wasted movement.At Journeyman rank, the user finds long term combat with Hakuda to no longer be an exceptionally taxing task, allowing them to engage in long martial encounters without succumbing purely to fatigue generated by their own movements. The user's personal plethora of techniques has expanded, allowing them to utilize a variety of striking, throwing, and grabbling styles. It is usually at this rank that the user picks a specific martial art or style of fighting to specialize in.At Expert rank, the user has learned almost everything they can about fighting with their body, and they have come to understand how to wield their body as a weapon on a fundamental level. They understand the specifics of both their own force and that of their opponents, how to weaponize that force, and can move and strike fluidly and with deadly precision.At Master rank, the user has mastered their techniques to such an extent that they have become instictual. They no longer have to think or concentrate on the specific mechanics of combat, and are instead able to strike and block on instinct alone, allowing them to simply act without having to think of where and how they want to strike.------more to come----

Checks

Checks are how interaction in combat functions on SL and they exist in multiple types: stat checks, stat-and-skill ("hybrid") checks, and skill-only checks.

Stat checks are just that; checks that involve solely the characters stats, with no skills coming into the picture in any way. Think of this as a wild haymaker thrown in a bar brawl; there might be a lot of power behind it, but absolutely no skill involved.

Skill-only checks do not include stats in their results, and are decidedly less common than either of the two other examples. Think of these as like a samurai cutting a bullet in half, or a Xiaolin Monk floating in the air with nothing but his mind; it has nothing to do with the characters physical/spiritual abilities, but rather is just a measure of how much better they are than their opponent (or gravity).

Stat-and-skill checks (or “Hybrid” checks) are much more common and are a stat check modified by a governing skill in some way; think of this as more of precisely timed jab; there’s power (and speed) behind it, sure, but there is also skill involved in throwing the punch in just the right manner so that it impacts against your opponent's face. Hybrid Checks initially use stats to determine a rank. After that is done any differences in skill rank come into play to affect the result. You and your partner are free to interpret this as you wish, however a common choice is to shift the results of the check by one tier for each difference in rank.

Comparison Tiers

There are four different Comparison Tiers on SL that govern the results of these checks. Many techniques have requirements based on the result of checks involving them. The tiers are listed with the conditions for each. The range of each tier is identical in both ranks and stats.

Equivalent, –20 or +20 stats/equal skill ranks. The result is effectively equal.Advantaged, +20 to +49 stats/a skill rank difference of one. The result is decidedly in the favor of one side.Superior, +50 to +99 stats/a skill rank difference of two. The result strongly favors one side.Dominant, +100 or more stats/a skill rank difference of three or more. The result extremely favors one side and could potentially obliterate the opponent entirely if something extraordinary is not done to prevent it.-100 or More | Dominant Defender-49 - -100 | Superior Defender-20 - -49 | Advantaged Defender-19 - +19 | Equivalent+20 - +49 | Advantaged Attacker+50 - +99 | Superior Attacker100+ | Dominant Attacker

All of this exists purely as reference material for interpreting combat. Above all else, you should write what feels right.

A wound level is determined first by damage and then by modification, if an ability reduces or negates wound levels/wound level changes then compare them for a net effect and then apply it to the damage check for a final wound level.

Wounds

Wound calculations occur after any failed block or dodge attempt, and are purely determined by Strength/Spirit vs Defense, with no associated skill check. Wound Locations, while important thematically, have no bearing on actual combat itself; A Fatal wound inflicted on a person’s foot is just as deadly as one inflicted on their head (because at that tier, you’d likely have your entire lower torso ripped off by the attack in question.)

Two wounds of the same severity are equal to one wound of the next rank higher. That means that two Moderate wounds are roughly equivalent to a single Major wound.

Superficial: Stinging sensations, barely breaking skin (like a scratch). Equivalent to touching boiling water, leaving a burning sensation but no lasting damage. Inflicted by a direct hit at Dominant Defender.Menial: Wounds like scrapes, shallow cuts, and bruises. Sunburns. Inflicted by a direct hit at Superior Defender.Minor: Slightly deeper cuts, shallow stab wounds, and severe bruising. First-degree burns; a bad sunburn. Inflicted by a direct hit at Advantaged Defender.Moderate: Deep cuts, slightly deeper stab wounds, fractured bones. Second-degree burns; severe damage to the skin that has caused it to be partially burnt away.Inflicted by a direct hit at Equivalent Combatants.Major: Deep stab wounds, broken bones, torn muscle. Third-degree burns; incredibly severe burn damage that can burn through even muscle and expose bone. . Inflicted by a direct hit at Advantaged Attacker.Severe: Gaping holes in your body and severed limbs. Parts of your body have been burnt completely away. Inflicted by a direct hit at Superior Attacker.Fatal: Vital organs are entirely destroyed and, likely, the rest of your body with them. Blows of such magnitude can reduce you to dust just by the air pressure surrounding them. You, or vital parts of you, have been reduced to dust by extreme heat. This is a deathblow for most characters, though some may have convenient methods of surviving. Inflicted by a direct hit at Dominant Attacker.

Dodging

Note: Dodges below Equivalent are considered 'Failed Dodges' while Equivalent or higher are considered 'Successful Dodges'.

Countering occurs when an offensive technique (or attack) is used to respond to another offensive technique (or attack.) For every rank of skill difference, modify by 1 tier (ex. Grandmaster Taijutsu vs. Advanced Weapon Proficiency would mean a punch would be +2 tiers against a blade-based counter attack or technique.) Damage is reduced by the amount of damage the counter attack deals after being modified by tiers.

Note: These rules apply only to attacks or techniques which do not specify this information. Otherwise, follow the technique's specifications. (Ex. an explosive tech that does 100 damage but has a 30m radius does not have it radius reduced.)Explosive Effects with 149 damage or less (Short Range Explosives)Explosion consumes all within Short Range (0 - 10m) of the epicenter.Explosive Effects with 150 damage or greater (Long Range Explosives)Explosion consumes all within Intermediate Range (11 - 50m) of the epicenter.