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The initial seal of red tape put on the box and then being opened is not hinky. That's how evidence is then accessed for testing after a sample is collected from the beginning.

The weird part is who used scotch tape to seal the box and when and why? Was that box opened more than once after the initial testing done? Obviously protocol wasn't followed which is bad. Doesn't mean someone planted 10 year old blood in TH's SUV, but it sure gives the defense something to argue.

Who knows, we are talking about something that could have happened 30 years ago. But the blood evidence could easily be put to rest. Blindly submit all six blood samples from the RAV4. plus six separate swabs from the vial. if the FBI can properly sort which is which, fine. If not, you have to throw out ALL of Steve's blood evidence.

What I find fascinating is that there were was an active thread on this case during the trial and posters were very aware of the prosecution's evidence. They also expressed their opinions on the defense team's planting theory and if this forum took a poll back in 2007, the overwhelming response would be that Steven Avery was guilty of murdering Teresa Halbach. It was on that very thread where I discovered that two women had accused Avery of raping them only a year before Halbach's murder.

Fast forward to 2016, and despite no real change in the arguments put forth by the prosecution/defense, the worm has turned. Why is that? IMO, the only salient explanation is that the Netflix documentary has served as a cognitive eraser to what occurred at the trial and speaks to how a slick, but slanted documentary can elevate emotion over critical thought. I would be interested to hear from posters who followed the trial in regards to their impressions of the Netflix documentary. I didn't follow the trial, so if I was appalled by the laundry list of inculpatory evidence the filmmakers left out, I can only imagine how followers of the Avery trial felt when watching this piece of propaganda.

I'd like to know if Steven used *67 on any calls prior to 10/31. IMO, wiping the key with your hit would not remove all of TH's DNA.
Also, why did it take LE 4-5 searches of Steven's bedroom to find the key in a such a tiny room ?

I understand how people read about 5 prior searches and not finding the key until the 6th one. But when you look at the chain of events, without hindsight, it actually proves that the investigators went where the evidence was taking them. It wasn't a perfect investigation, but it wasn't what the documentary make it appear.

Teresa's car was found at approximately 10am on Saturday 5th November and it was around 3.30pm that same day that a search warrant was granted and they began searching SA's trailer and garage.

Saturday November 5th - Search #1

LE did a "sweep search" of both SA's trailer, lasting 10 mins, and garage lasting 8mins. Keep in mind only her RAV4 had been located at this stage and they didn't know if she was dead or alive. Also, I am only referring to searches of these 2 dwellings in this post. They were searching for obvious signs of Teresa Halbach only.

Saturday November 5th - Search #2

At approximately 7.30pm there was another search of the trailer lasting 2 and a half hours which resulted in them collecting approx 50 pieces of evidence.

Sunday November 6th - Searches 3 & 4

Collecting weapons, vacuum cleaner and bedding from spare room.

Initial search by the State Crime Lab for trace evidence of blood.

Monday 7th November - Search #5

For the limited purpose of retrieving the serial number for SA's computer

This search lasted approximately 1hr and resulted in finding the key. By this stage, they had found Teresa's remains behind the garage, shell casings in the garage and confirmation that SA's blood was found in the RAV4. Obviously, with all this evidence streaming through, plus off site interviews they were conducting which were contradicting SA's statement, this search was to be their most exhaustive yet. Nothing was to be left unturned. It was while they were moving the bookshelf next to his bed they located the key.

I have only discussed the searches of the trailer and garage. You have to keep in mind that other searches were happening at the time including aerial searches that included the clients she had previously been to that day and even her own house. It was a huge area. The documentary makes it seem as if they were searching his trailer the whole time. This isn't the case at all.

If Avery was so obviously guilty, why did 7 of 12 jurors initially vote for not guilty ? Were they asleep during the trial and the State's overwhelming evidence ? Obviously, a jury and appeals courts thought him guilty the 1st time around until NEW EVIDENCE was presented. I'm willing to wait and see what Ms. Zellner comes up with ...

What I find fascinating is that there were was an active thread on this case during the trial and posters were very aware of the prosecution's evidence. They also expressed their opinions on the defense team's planting theory and if this forum took a poll back in 2007, the overwhelming response would be that Steven Avery was guilty of murdering Teresa Halbach. It was on that very thread where I discovered that two women had accused Avery of raping them only a year before Halbach's murder.

Fast forward to 2016, and despite no real change in the arguments put forth by the prosecution/defense, the worm has turned. Why is that? IMO, the only salient explanation is that the Netflix documentary has served as a cognitive eraser to what occurred at the trial and speaks to how a slick, but slanted documentary can elevate emotion over critical thought. I would be interested to hear from posters who followed the trial in regards to their impressions of the Netflix documentary. I didn't follow the trial, so if I was appalled by the laundry list of inculpatory evidence the filmmakers left out, I can only imagine how followers of the Avery trial felt when watching this piece of propaganda.

The best part of the MoM is the music. It is very captivating and draws you in to the exposure of the LE/State.

But, I hear the plate being called in, and this tells me they were on the Avery prior to it being "found" on a 40 acre by Ms. Sturm. Something is not right, and if they broke protocol SA and BD should get re-trial.

What I find fascinating is that there were was an active thread on this case during the trial and posters were very aware of the prosecution's evidence. They also expressed their opinions on the defense team's planting theory and if this forum took a poll back in 2007, the overwhelming response would be that Steven Avery was guilty of murdering Teresa Halbach. It was on that very thread where I discovered that two women had accused Avery of raping them only a year before Halbach's murder.

Fast forward to 2016, and despite no real change in the arguments put forth by the prosecution/defense, the worm has turned. Why is that? IMO, the only salient explanation is that the Netflix documentary has served as a cognitive eraser to what occurred at the trial and speaks to how a slick, but slanted documentary can elevate emotion over critical thought. I would be interested to hear from posters who followed the trial in regards to their impressions of the Netflix documentary. I didn't follow the trial, so if I was appalled by the laundry list of inculpatory evidence the filmmakers left out, I can only imagine how followers of the Avery trial felt when watching this piece of propaganda.

From what I can tell, the biggest difference is people didn't realize back then that Brendan's "confession" was so clearly coerced. Kratz and his press conference presenting the confession was hugely prejudicial. Now that people have seen the interviews with Brendan they can see how he was fed every bit of info they wanted him to say.

Present the True Facts and Evidencde

​Let's see a retrial and then decide the evidence which was tainted to begin with. We need Brandon's coerced confession to be set aside to begin with, which was the supposed evidence this prosecution was based off... This is down right dirty police work when they rushed to judgement before gathering the facts since they had it in for Steven Avery from many years ago on the rape conviction. It is a tough who done it since the only possible people that could have committed the crime were either his brothers or cousins? I am stumped, however, I do believe that to have true justice for Steven Avery and Brandon Dancy we need a fair and impartial trial along with a jury outside the presence of their community... Only my Humble Opinion!!

"To thine own self be true"

"When I refrain from thoughts of harm directed toward others, I accumulate all the benefits of life"

There has been a SA facebook page created and they have and are posting court transcripts and evidence reports. It's titled Steven Avery Project. Hope this is ok mods. If not, please delete my comment. I think it is helpful as there is a lot of information there from the trial there. MOO and HTH.

IIRC, that is where I read that BDs IQ is 70 with an even slightly lower speech communication score. For this reason, I feel is why the SA did not call BD as a witness.

"IQ tests generally are reliable enough that most people ages ten and older have similar IQ scores throughout life.[14]"

I feel, att, that BD knew this was a planned event by having previously been told of the intentions by his (psychopathic, jmho) Uncle. BDs curiosity urged him to attend, at least part, of the rape and murder then burning of the victim. While his IQ is low, I feel he knew the rape and murder was morally wrong and certainly against the law.

While this is merely my own opinion at this time; it is subject to change without prior notification.

I feel anyone who thinks Brendan was in any way involved should read each interrogation in order and find one key fact that Brendan came up with before the investigators either prodded him for a different answer or flat out told him the answer prior to him coming up with it.

What I find fascinating is that there were was an active thread on this case during the trial and posters were very aware of the prosecution's evidence. They also expressed their opinions on the defense team's planting theory and if this forum took a poll back in 2007, the overwhelming response would be that Steven Avery was guilty of murdering Teresa Halbach.

Really good points, Murtagh21.

Even if one throws out everything BD said in all of his talks and interrogations with police, there is still the matter of the other evidence (her body, the fires, his blood, her RAV4 on the property, her blood, her personal effects in his burn barrel).

BTW, I read Avery's interview with police when they picked him up. He agreed to talk (3 or 4 times) that day. They kept asking him if he wanted to talk and he kept doing so, even after being read his rights and signing his rights. He never told them anything about what he was doing on Halloween afternoon/evening. Claimed he was sitting around watching TV, had lunch at his mom's, nothing happening later. He said nothing about a fire either in the burn pit or in the barrel.

Why did Avery lie about his activities on Oct 31 2005? Why lie if it was nothing suspicious? That stood out to me right away. Waving red flag right there.

The initial seal of red tape put on the box and then being opened is not hinky. That's how evidence is then accessed for testing after a sample is collected from the beginning.

The weird part is who used scotch tape to seal the box and when and why? Was that box opened more than once after the initial testing done? Obviously protocol wasn't followed which is bad. Doesn't mean someone planted 10 year old blood in TH's SUV, but it sure gives the defense something to argue.

Well, i'm beginning to think that it was opened to get SAs DNA to compare to for his exoneration, and MCSO was sloppy.