I once had a childhood friend who was a college drop out and had applied to Google. Next thing I know is he was roundly abusing then for not considering him .You see , prospective employees everywhere have a heightened sense of self esteem and consequently employability . They sometimes mistake academic excellence for competence . My friend however believed that the school of hard knocks entitled him to a position that people with twice or thrice his academic abilities would think twice about before considering applying for such a position .That he was half Irish didn't help matters .

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I'm talking about people who have the best possible qualifications getting rejected literally down to some anal analysis of body language during a given exercise at an assessment centre. But then they employ someone with worse qualifications to fill their ethnic minority quota. Employers are outright liars, their only aim is to lower labour costs and save face.

If you had specialists then you wouldn't need German or Belgian doctors from EU to performing surgeries in UK and going back to their countries on Monday. You lack Specialists that is why NHS has invited Specialists from EU and other non -EU nations to fill the gap. What NHS is doing is just short term Band-Aid treatment to plug the deficiency of homegrown specialists,because there are not many in UK studying or qualifed to be at a consultant or Specialist level its not some conspiracy to suppress homegrown talent while promoting foreign specialists by NHS.
If you get rejected ,then there must be a cause for it,either you didn't make the cut or you lack skillset for the job. In any country, if you pass your exams properly you make the cutoff list.No country would suppress its own talent, just saying.

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We would have enough specialists if we gave degree positions to everyone making the grades, and training positions to all medicine graduates. It's like not planting any crops and then wondering why there's no harvest.

Ours would because it is literally that fucking dumb when it comes to this kind of thing.

I'm talking about people who have the best possible qualifications getting rejected literally down to some anal analysis of body language during a given exercise at an assessment centre. But then they employ someone with worse qualifications to fill their ethnic minority quota. Employers are outright liars, their only aim is to lower labour costs and save face.

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That you're anti social and a reprobate doesn't need reinforcement . Focus on the issue at hand instead of citing personal experiences . There are plenty out here who've failed to make the cut due to quotas owing to a policy of affirmative action by the government here . And they have a case . Your government doesn't support such action and if it does I'm sure the proportion of jobs earmarked are pretty nominal . Yet that doesn't prevent you from breast beating in s public forum . Grow up will you ! The world or your government doesn't owe you a living to your taste . That requires your own endeavour . Instead of being a complaint box all the time .

That you're anti social and a reprobate doesn't need reinforcement . Focus on the issue at hand instead of citing personal experiences . There are plenty out here who've failed to make the cut due to quotas owing to a policy of affirmative action by the government here . And they have a case . Your government doesn't support such action and if it does I'm sure the proportion of jobs earmarked are pretty nominal . Yet that doesn't prevent you from breast beating in s public forum . Grow up will you ! The world or your government doesn't owe you a living to your taste . That requires your own endeavour . Instead of being a complaint box all the time .

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I'm telling you the absolute truth about UK employers. The UK government absolutely does have affirmative action except it's called 'positive action' here.

All major employers have positive action and even then the minorities favoured complain. The only people not complaining publicly are the ones being discriminated against. If I'd left university an Asian 20 years ago, I'd have been snapped up much quicker. We even have more recent cases where UK employers only advertise jobs in Poland.

All major employers have positive action and even then the minorities favoured complain. The only people not complaining publicly are the ones being discriminated against. If I'd left university an Asian 20 years ago, I'd have been snapped up much quicker. We even have more recent cases where UK employers only advertise jobs in Poland.

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That's probably because they have a better work ethic . You do recall why all those mines were de nationalised during Thatcher's rule . Ever heard of an industrious Yorkshire miner ?

Why? Compare the average standard of life in the UK compared to India.

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UK will be just one country out of more than 2 dozen advanced economies.

There are temporary local workers too. They should only look outside if nobody internal can be found after 6 months of trying as a minimum.

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You have had vacancies for a decade now.

Sure you can. If there are students with sufficient qualifications to get on medicine degrees that are being rejected and graduate doctors being rejected, then there is plenty of opportunity for internal fixes. Employers lie through their teeth about not being able to get the staff. We live in a nation of lying employers, who always complain we need more labour because a bulging labour market reduces the cost of labour. These are the sort of people who voted to remain in the EU - liars.

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There is no fix for mediocrity. If the UK can't fill vacancies after tapping into the entirety of the EU, then there's no fix.

We have an abundance of project managers.

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You don't.

We don't want it that badly. Our average living standards are fine. EU would veto it. US would veto it. It will never get implemented via the WTO without such approval. The EU in particular would veto it because it would allow a workaround for UK financial services.

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Nobody will veto it. If they do, then developing markets will begin shutting out advanced economies from their markets.

All major employers have positive action and even then the minorities favoured complain. The only people not complaining publicly are the ones being discriminated against. If I'd left university an Asian 20 years ago, I'd have been snapped up much quicker. We even have more recent cases where UK employers only advertise jobs in Poland.

You'll find our financial services are competitive the world over. Secondly, 4% of global GDP isn't that small a market. Thirdly, if there's no deal with the EU, things like European vehicles won't sell in the UK, so the internal market will expand to fill the void. The UK is a net importer of cars from the EU, so it is the UK that would gain more jobs. Fourth, WTO tariffs are smaller, smaller than the fall in the £ and with the money saved by not being in the EU, corporation tax can be reduced, so our exports will still be more competitive than they were in early 2016.

Labour rates are again cheaper now than in 2016 due to the fall in the £.

Wouldn't you prefer to have more jobs in your own country?

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And that's cos labour rates in India is cheaper. Once upon a time, some 50 years back, much of the manufacturing took place in US. When US got competitive, jobs moved to Japan and Korea. After they got developed and competitive, they moved to China. Now China is getting competitive. Now naturally jobs are moving to India.
UK is still a small market no matter what you call it. and UK cant survive on Financial services alone. Tata has burnt its hand buying Corus where labour rates are so high that the cost of steel is damn high even for UK govt to buy. That's the story. An experienced Professional Indian can get something like 15 lakhs per annum in India. Its more than enough for him to lead a luxury life in India. For the same job, UK nationals are paid 85k pounds ie 75 lakhs INR. In that cost an Indian company can hire 7 highly talented professionals. If you guys import an Indian professional for say 40k pounds per year, 2 persons can be hired. As for cars it will be the same. Nobody will invest in UK car factories now, if not getting closed. US, UK do a lots of R&D stuffs however such jobs alone are not enough for all of the population.

UK wants a free trade deal. Fine. Indian companies investing in UK needs competitive edge to become profitable by wanting an easier movement of professionals. Honestly we arent pleading for an trade deal with EU or India or Australia. UK Finance Minister knows much better than u or me I suppose. I am talking from an Indian Company POV.

Not necessarily, we could make an exporting trade deal that favours India. I struggle to understand what you're saying though. If the manpower is so good, why can't you use it to make something to export.

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Because some services could not be exported easily, or exported at all. If you have a vacancy of a doctor in NHS, having an extra doctor in India would not help India (or that doctor) earn anything.

Because some services could not be exported easily, or exported at all. If you have a vacancy of a doctor in NHS, having an extra doctor in India would not help India (or that doctor) earn anything.

Why was it so difficult to understand?

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So, you would still profit immensely from it. And if we genuinely have spare position unfilled after 6 months, then you could fill them, but you would have to pay taxes here since you would use public services everyday. What's difficult to understand about that?

And that's cos labour rates in India is cheaper. Once upon a time, some 50 years back, much of the manufacturing took place in US. When US got competitive, jobs moved to Japan and Korea. After they got developed and competitive, they moved to China. Now China is getting competitive. Now naturally jobs are moving to India.
UK is still a small market no matter what you call it. and UK cant survive on Financial services alone. Tata has burnt its hand buying Corus where labour rates are so high that the cost of steel is damn high even for UK govt to buy. That's the story. An experienced Professional Indian can get something like 15 lakhs per annum in India. Its more than enough for him to lead a luxury life in India. For the same job, UK nationals are paid 85k pounds ie 75 lakhs INR. In that cost an Indian company can hire 7 highly talented professionals. If you guys import an Indian professional for say 40k pounds per year, 2 persons can be hired. As for cars it will be the same. Nobody will invest in UK car factories now, if not getting closed. US, UK do a lots of R&D stuffs however such jobs alone are not enough for all of the population.

UK wants a free trade deal. Fine. Indian companies investing in UK needs competitive edge to become profitable by wanting an easier movement of professionals. Honestly we arent pleading for an trade deal with EU or India or Australia. UK Finance Minister knows much better than u or me I suppose. I am talking from an Indian Company POV.

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Tata has a problem because China dumps excess steel on the market. India is still a smaller market in terms of nominal $ GDP.

UK car manufacturers will fill the void left by EU car imports. We always imported more cars than we exported.

Well perhaps you should consider a trade deal more carefully. It might help you catch China.

Most employers find Polish workers are far more hardworking than British workers.

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No. I'm talking even about minorities born in the UK. They are favoured over whites. It's nothing to do with work ethic.

2nd link. 'Too keen to clock of at 5pm'? You mean the end of the working day, after which they aren't paid for working?

It's nothing to do with work ethic. And since when is it okay to generalise an entire ethnicity based on a perceived notion of work ethic? How about if we switch that around and say, "no hiring blacks because on average they have a lower IQ."