Tuesday Overnight Open Thread (3/22/17) Fill In The Blank Edition

We contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle. Winston Churchill

Quote II

People crushed by laws, have no hope but to evade power. If the laws are their enemies, they will be enemies to the law; and those who have most to hope and nothing to lose will always be dangerous. Edmund Burke

Quote III

Your success and happiness lies in you. Resolve to keep happy, and your joy and you shall form an invincible host against difficulties. Helen Keller

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"If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand."Milton Friedman

The US Third Circuit Court of Appeals today upheld a lower court ruling of contempt against a chap who claimed he couldn't remember the password to decrypt his computer's hard drives.

In so doing, the appeals court opted not to address a lower court's rejection of the defendant's argument that being forced to reveal his password violated his Fifth Amendment protection against self-incrimination.

Nearly half of Canadians want to deport people who are illegally crossing into Canada from the United States, and a similar number disapprove of how Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is handling the influx, according to a Reuters/Ipsos opinion poll released on Monday.

A significant minority, four out of 10 respondents, said the border crossers could make Canada “less safe,” underlining the potential political risk for Trudeau’s Liberal government.

The Murr family owns two pieces of property on the St. Croix River in Wisconsin. They attempted to sell one of their waterfront lots (called “Lot E” to finance improvements to a cabin they own on the second plot (called “Lot F”. The value of Lot E had been assessed at $400,000. Environmental officials blocked the sale for violating conservation rules. A county board further declared that state law required the two lots be merged into a single piece of property that could not be broken up and sold in smaller parcels.

On this day in 1933, President Franklin D. Roosevelt signs the Beer and Wine Revenue Act. This law levies a federal tax on all alcoholic beverages to raise revenue for the federal government and gives individual states the option to further regulate the sale and distribution of beer and wine.

March 21, 1976 - Singer Claudine Longet, formerly the wife of Andy Williams, shot her boyfriend, world skiing champion Spider Sabich Sabich had tried to throw her and her three children out of his house. Longet was arrested for manslaughter. via onthisday.com

With the terror of aerial bombardments instilled in everyone, many of the factories at the time were built deep underground, where the enemy’s aerial armada couldn’t reach them. A number of abandoned underground factories of World War Two are still crumbling to dust some 70 years later, reminders of one of the darkest chapters in modern human history.

But in spite of it all, women today are actually less happy than their ancestors whom the feminists perceive as having been “oppressed,” and furthermore, many are becoming increasingly unstable, violent, and toxic as they poison themselves with the toxic ideology that is feminism.

The following points will show how feminism actually damages today’s women rather than help them.

Back in 1931, Dr. Mandel Sherman, director of the Child Research Centre, wanted to find out the exact number of ways in which children annoy their parents. He came up with the oddly specific number of 2,124 different ways.

He arrived at this number by having a group of parents carry notebooks around with them for a week and record each time their child annoyed them.

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>>>Your success and happiness lies in you. Resolve to keep happy, and your joy and you shall form an invincible host against difficulties. Helen Keller <<<

Wub dib sheeb day?

Posted by: Marlee Matlin at March 21, 2017 10:03 PM (Tstsj)

25Put the federal government in charge of student loans and higher education and you get this: In 18 years, the cost of a college degree could approach $500,000.

Given the crap that came out after Hillary lost the election, you have to wonder just what they're spending money on. Play dough therapy for University of Michigan Law School students? Someone is receiving a salary for coming up with that crap. Then there is the cost of office space and so on. I'll bet that any half way intelligent person could look at the payroll for a state university and find jobs that could be cut.

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Given the crap that came out after Hillary lost the election, you have to wonder just what they're spending money on. Play dough therapy for University of Michigan Law School students? Someone is receiving a salary for coming up with that crap. Then there is the cost of office space and so on. I'll bet that any half way intelligent person could look at the payroll for a state university and find jobs that could be cut.
Posted by: nerdygirl at March 21, 2017 10:03 PM (+lVUW)

Nuke all their bullshit "studies" departments, for starters.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 21, 2017 10:04 PM (0mRoj)

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Heya fapsters! I have a telephone interview
tomorrow morning. First nibble I've had in a few months (shut up). I'll
let y'all know how it goes.

43A county board further declared that state law required the two lots be merged into a single piece of property that could not be broken up and sold in smaller parcels.In other words, you have to keep the lots large enough that only rich people can afford them.

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I'm a bit of a grammar Nazi, but not about everything. I get hypertensive when I read a newspaper and see gross grammatical and spelling errors that any decent proofreader, let alone editor, should have caught.

Does it have to be my own?
Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 21, 2017 10:12 PM (0mRoj)

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No. Those of ex wives are recommended.

I keed, I keed! Further, I denounce myself.

Posted by: Flyboy at March 21, 2017 10:15 PM (3zcdW)

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"I'm a bit of a grammar Nazi, but not about everything. I get hypertensive when I read a newspaper and see gross grammatical and spelling errors that any decent proofreader, let alone editor, should have caught."
-Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 21, 2017 10:12 PM (0mRoj)

I gave it up here, mostly. It is the newspapers and professional websites where it drives me up a wall.

Quite a while ago, I read that the real reason that women were forced into the labor market after WWII was for cheap labor. Companies realized that they could pay women less, and that worked for them in the long run.

In the meantime, women kind of got screwed. To get-- and keep-- a man, they were and are forced into working when they wanted to stay home and raise their families. It seems that outside of the upper classes, all women must be working women, which doesn't suit all women or benefit their husbands or children. In the meantime, many are falling apart, as evidenced in the article linked.

I certainly don't know if working outside of the home or "feminism" is to blame for this mental illness, but it makes one think.

Posted by: shibumi at March 21, 2017 10:15 PM (FkAXz)

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A singer whose name was Longet
Had come into Aspen to stay.
Along came a Spider
Who sat down beside her.
She blew the poor bastard away

Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at March 21, 2017 10:15 PM (o7l6R)

84She was right next door and I'm such a strong persuader
That she was just another notch on my guitar
She's gonna lose the man that really loves her
In the silence I can hear their breaking hearts.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 21, 2017 10:16 PM (LTHVh)

85
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I haven't yet figured out how I will pay back my dear, sweet (then) emergency vehicle-obsessed son for years of auditory torture - maybe teach *his* future children how to make siren noises?
Posted by: Lizzy at March 21, 2017 10:09 PM (NOIQH)

So you're son is Jamie McBoingboing

Posted by: Duke of Righteous WTF? at March 21, 2017 10:16 PM (T71PA)

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I'm a bit of a grammar Nazi, but not about
everything. I get hypertensive when I read a newspaper and see gross
grammatical and spelling errors that any decent proofreader, let alone
editor, should have caught.

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RE: the feminist article, there's another thing to consider: many decent conservative young men live in areas awash in these kind of women. I'm sure some of them tone it down when they start dating someone, but once they've established relationships, they might go full on feminazi and make the man miserable.

It seems that dating is hard these days, and it seems to be impossible if you're in an area that's 100% liberal. Once you hit a certain age, the easiest thing to do is just give up.

Posted by: shibumi at March 21, 2017 10:20 PM (FkAXz)

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Sweden preparing nuclear fallout bunkers across the country amid fear of Russian war

Posted by: Nathan R. Jessup at March 21, 2017 09:54 PM (TixTl)

Only Sweden's government elite have anything to fear from a Russian invasion. The Swedish people have already been invaded by the muzzie hoards and a Russian invasion would be a liberation.

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'In the silence I can hear their breaking hearts' is such a great line.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 21, 2017 10:21 PM (LTHVh)

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And for what it's worth, her version of that song is rather annoying, whereas the Judy Collins (original) version is perhaps one of the greatest songs of the modern rock music era.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 21, 2017 10:18 PM (Pz4pT)

Joni Mitchell wrote the song... even though Collins recorded it first. Generally, I prefer the writer's performance of any song, because the art perhaps "should" come from within as much as without, but in this case I would be willing to make an exception.

Never really cared for Mitchell's voice.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 21, 2017 10:22 PM (Pz4pT)

107In other news, Cheepak De Pure wants some psychiatrist to test Trump for mental illness issues.

The progressive left thinks Trump is crazy, you see.

"Make America Great" that's crazy. Everyone knows that.

Posted by: Gnorm Big Lee at March 21, 2017 10:22 PM (GlP/K)

10835 Heya fapsters! I have a telephone interview tomorrow morning. First nibble I've had in a few months (shut up). I'll let y'all know how it goes.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor

Good luck, pal.

Posted by: nerdygirl at March 21, 2017 10:23 PM (+lVUW)

109 I remember looking at some data on the Fed's FRED data system, and I noticed something about the labor participation rate. They had broken down by men and women.

Back in the old days, before we had women working much, the labor participation rate for men was very high, maybe 90%, IIRC. Women was very low, maybe 10%.

Then we had the revolution. The female participation rate started increasing steadily. The male rate starting coming down. It didn't come down as fast, but it was coming down. This meant the total participation rate was increasing.

And then it hit a wall, sort of, and the male rate started declining. The crash of '08 really did a number on it.

I had to look at the data again, but IIRC, I think there's sort of a natural participation rate. That is, you can have all the men working, and not many women. Or you can make it equal and that means more unemployed men.

I remember making that observation, and getting crucified as sexist on another forum one time.

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And for what it's worth, her version of that song is rather annoying, whereas the Judy Collins (original) version is perhaps one of the greatest songs of the modern rock music era.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 21, 2017 10:18 PM (Pz4pT)

*ahem*
Posted by: Joni Mitchell at March 21, 2017 10:21 PM (sdi6R)

See post 106, fake Joni. Why'd you let a better singer than you record it first. Answer me that.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 21, 2017 10:24 PM (Pz4pT)

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Never really cared for Mitchell's voice.---I think I met Joni Mitchell briefly when I was working at the tv station.

She seemed... OK. Not needy, not demanding, and fairly soft spoken. She was nice.

Posted by: shibumi at March 21, 2017 10:25 PM (FkAXz)

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Only two more days until Obamacare is repealed and replaced with Obamacare. Woo hoo!!

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Looking at just the 1st of the 6 charts on differences in rural/urban living, poverty, it's a meaningless metric. Going to the census source document, they finally admit on about page 20 that they make no adjustments for regional cost of living differences, and don't count non-cash bennies in the poverty rates. Thus, food stamps, Section 8 housing, and many more etcs. doesn't get counted. It's a flat income level metric.

As I said, useless info. But hey, it makes nice charts.

Thanks for the ONT Mis Hum.

Posted by: GnuBreed at March 21, 2017 10:27 PM (xpfRn)

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Audio books help me get my reading in everywhere. Great for multitasking. I'm going thru a book a day most days.

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>>>Once you hit a certain age, the easiest thing to do is just give up.

NEVER GIVE UP!!

WINONA FOREVS!!!

:::Major Kongs it all the way in:::

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at March 21, 2017 10:29 PM (RrhD2)

12498 RE: the feminist article, there's another thing to consider: many decent conservative young men live in areas awash in these kind of women. I'm sure some of them tone it down when they start dating someone, but once they've established relationships, they might go full on feminazi and make the man miserable.

It seems that dating is hard these days, and it seems to be impossible if you're in an area that's 100% liberal. Once you hit a certain age, the easiest thing to do is just give up.

Posted by: shibumi

Not just young conservative decent men. For frumpy middle aged conservative men, its no picnic either. I have found more time to golf so there is an up side :-)

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Joni Mitchell was impressed by Robert Plant, who strutted around with a cucumber in his pants and a shiny belly like he'd just had an ultrasound.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at March 21, 2017 10:30 PM (0w2IZ)

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Going to the census source document, they finally admit on about page 20 that they make no adjustments for regional cost of living differences, and don't count non-cash bennies in the poverty rates. Thus, food stamps, Section 8 housing, and many more etcs. doesn't get counted. It's a flat income level metric.

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Which is why it's always funny when libs boast about how 8/10 top income zip codes are in Democrat states. Yeah and? Those 8/10 are also the most expensive cities to live in. So you make 50% more but your rent is 150% more. And somehow that's a sign of economic superiority over the dumb rubes? Sure. Why not?

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 21, 2017 10:30 PM (vsYKI)

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Audio books help me get my reading in everywhere. Great for multitasking. I'm going thru a book a day most days.
Posted by: NCKate at March 21, 2017 10:28 PM (rFLqK)

I'm considering a job with an hour commute, both ways. If I take it, I think I'm going to start listening to books. Non-fiction, stuff that I want/need to learn, not to be entertained.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 21, 2017 10:30 PM (Pz4pT)

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>>It seems that dating is hard these days, and it seems to be impossible
if you're in an area that's 100% liberal. Once you hit a certain age,
the easiest thing to do is just give up.

Feminists killed chivalry and dating - systems that protected them and supported their chance happiness in a lot of ways. The Tinder/hookup culture is not only emotionally unsatisfying, but gives men no incentive to stick around long enough to fall in love, consider any type of commitment and all the associated thing that go with that, such as marriage and kids (which factor into happiness). Naturally, being an an unpleasant feminist shrew also does that.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 21, 2017 10:31 PM (NOIQH)

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75 ok grammar nazis - when reading a book, do you notice if it uses two spaces after every period or not?
Posted by: @votermom @vm at March 21, 2017 10:14 PM (Om16U)

I don't notice. But I still use 2 spaces myself. That's how I was taught to type on a typewriter. I know it's incorrect.

Posted by: CaliGirl at March 21, 2017 10:31 PM (u8Ywb)

137Not just young conservative decent men. For frumpy middle aged conservative men, its no picnic either. I have found more time to golf so there is an up side :-)--

LOL. I have gone full on crazy, and have a cat!

/but just one. She is very cute.

Posted by: shibumi at March 21, 2017 10:31 PM (FkAXz)

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29 Given the crap that came out after Hillary lost the election, you have to wonder just what they're spending money on. Play dough therapy for University of Michigan Law School students? Someone is receiving a salary for coming up with that crap. Then there is the cost of office space and so on. I'll bet that any half way intelligent person could look at the payroll for a state university and find jobs that could be cut.
Posted by: nerdygirl at March 21, 2017 10:03 PM (+lVUW)

When I went to college we had a dining hall. Everyone got the same meal. Only one upperclassmen dorm had air conditioning, and the only academic building that had AC was the science building. It didn't bother us in the least. As for the administration, there were a hell of a lot less then than there are now, and the enrollment has only gone up about 15% in the last 30 years.

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The Tinder/hookup culture is not only emotionally unsatisfying, but gives men no incentive to stick around long enough to fall in love, consider any type of commitment and all the associated thing that go with that, such as marriage and kids (which factor into happiness). Naturally, being an an unpleasant feminist shrew also does that.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 21, 2017 10:31 PM (NOIQH)

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I never get the whole concept of the hook up culture as some recent phenomenon. I was in college in the 90s pre-Tinder. And the hook up culture was alive and well back then as well. And everyone I knew from back in the day settled down, got married, had kids, etc.

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 21, 2017 10:34 PM (vsYKI)

147I would have asked "What, exactly, have you seen?"
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at March 21, 2017 10:31 PM

I've seen fire and I've seen rain.

Posted by: James Taylor at March 21, 2017 10:34 PM (DMUuz)

148
Geez...this far into the ONT and not a single Helen Keller joke???
It's like I don't know you people.

Posted by: Diogenes at March 21, 2017 10:34 PM (5v15w)

149
MH,
Thanks for the ONT. You always do a great job. It's greatly appreciated.

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I never get the whole concept of the hook up culture as some recent phenomenon. I was in college in the 90s pre-Tinder. And the hook up culture was alive and well back then as well. And everyone I knew from back in the day settled down, got married, had kids, etc.

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 21, 2017 10:34 PM (vsYKI)

It was waaay alive and well in the 80's too. It was debauchery on a grand scale.

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I don't notice. But I still use 2 spaces myself. That's how I was taught to type on a typewriter. I know it's incorrect.

Posted by: CaliGirl at March 21, 2017 10:31 PM (u8Ywb)

Me too - muscle memory. Can't help myself.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at March 21, 2017 10:36 PM (tHwdc)

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Frankly, a lot of the student debt was incurred under false pretenses, with universities that unscrupulously required high levels of debt from uninformed recipients....though I'd have to check my notes from Professor Kingsfield on contracts.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at March 21, 2017 10:36 PM (0w2IZ)

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She seems to have become something of a crotchety old crank in recent years, though.

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You say that if it were a bad thing
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at March 21, 2017 10:31 PM (voOPb)

Posted by: Donna, tan now gone but with &&&&&&& to burn and so there at March 21, 2017 10:38 PM (P8951)

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It was waaay alive and well in the 80's too. It was debauchery on a grand scale.
Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at March 21, 2017 10:36 PM (aMlLZ)

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And the 70s and 60s too I'm sure. Which is so weird that people make it seem like the notion of hooking up started spontaneously sometime around October 2010 or something.

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 21, 2017 10:38 PM (vsYKI)

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My brother has had a hard time finding a woman to settle down with. He's in mid twenties, makes six figures, is not obese or ugly. He said his standards are someone his age or younger than him who is a Christian and conservative, without a really colorful sexual past. He admitted he was surprised to find this woman is harder to find than he thought.

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Instapundit often mentions that a big contributor to college tuition goes to administrative bloat. That's where the real cutting needs to happen.

I've also read that some student loans are used to cover living expenses, such as purchasing the latest iPad/iPhone, awesome spring break vacations, etc. So a number of these kids are borrowing money to pay for a lifestyle they have no hope of attaining on their own salary (especially if they have one of those silly degrees). Just think of those OWS tools with their latest tech and expensive clothes whining about student debt. I don't want to forgive loan money that was pissed away by the students living the high life while in school.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 21, 2017 10:39 PM (NOIQH)

166
What Would George Costanza Do? He would do the phone interview completely naked and get hired. I bet nobody has thought about the naked job interview before?

169
For Lent, depending on how much time you have . . . and how dark your dwelling is tonight:

https://youtu.be/Mcfy3UmnyDY

Posted by: logprof at March 21, 2017 10:40 PM (GsAUU)

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She seems to have become something of a crotchety old crank in recent years, though. ---

You say that if it were a bad thing--

Personally, I'm going to spend the next 20 years yelling at people to get off my lawn.

If I'm still around after that (I expect I'll be too expensive to keep alive, looking at the family medical history) I'll be that old woman who says really really inappropriate and outrageous things. I'll do it because I'm bored.

/oh who am I kidding? I do both of them once and a while now.

Posted by: shibumi at March 21, 2017 10:40 PM (FkAXz)

171I don't notice. But I still use 2 spaces myself. That's how I was taught to type on a typewriter. I know it's incorrect.
Posted by: CaliGirl at March 21, 2017 10:31 PM

Apparently, using 2 spaces in your resume s a major mistake, as it indicates fogeyism, old, one each.

Since we're all 29 here, that isn't an issue for us, but you may wish to tell your older friends.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 21, 2017 10:41 PM (DMUuz)

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Wait. No discussion of the make, model, and caliber of the gun Claudine Longet used to shoot Spider Sabich?

It's like I don't know you people any more.

Posted by: rickl at March 21, 2017 10:41 PM (sdi6R)

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I don't notice. But I still use 2 spaces myself. That's how I was taught to type on a typewriter. I know it's incorrect.
Posted by: CaliGirl at March 21, 2017 10:31 PM (u8Ywb)

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There is always so much content to read. I'm still looking through the tabs. If I've been asked a question, I wouldn't know it.

Oh... BTW U.S.A. leads Japan 1-0, Bottom 5th, 2 out.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1) (T) at March 21, 2017 10:41 PM (6gk0M)

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Alrighty, then. Here's my 2 cents. You know those old marriage vows that everybody decided were out of date? Turns out they work just fine.

Love, honor and OBEY. That's what women are supposed to do. Doesn't make you a doormat, or even an oppressed person. In fact, it frees you tremendously and leads to a great deal of happiness.

Don't get me wrong--my husband is NOT always correct nor does he have all the answers. He can't order me around or act like a tyrant, but by God, he is the head of our household and his word is final.

The pressure is all on him, not on me. Unless you try it, you won't know the freedom and complete lack of stress it entails. He asks my opinion, and I freely give it, and he usually is smart enough to take it, but he is the final arbiter.

I know this sounds positively medieval to some folks, but it works. When he screws up, he gets to fix it. I don't have to spend time or brain power determining our next move. I can just get on with life and all that entails, and it also guarantees we work as a team.

Sometimes being a woman and being smart mean not listening to our shrill and nasty feminist neighbors. I should hope most of us are more intelligent that that.

Maybe someone can explain something to me. Why the fuck is Del Taco so stingy with their green sauce??!

Posted by: qdpsteve at March 21, 2017 10:44 PM (qazQh)

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It is amazing that CNN unloads all of this criticism on Ivanka while it was/is silent on Chelsea, who completely sucks and has done nothing.

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at March 21, 2017 10:44 PM (bMQv/)

186 I've been deeply immersed in computer shit for the past few days. I got in the mood to update my Linux installations, which I had even booted in a while, and doing that, noticed the SMART tools showed a hard drive was getting iffy -- sector reallocations were increasing, and some other indicators. It wasn't near imminent failure, but I decided to replace it. That meant cloning all the partitions. Carefully. And getting all the windows and linux installations set up to use it. A tedious process.

And while doing that, I read that Windows 10 had a new Linux subsystem. It's similar to the old POSIX subsystem, and the SUA subsystem add-on they replace it with. But the difference is this one actually runs real Linux ELF binaries. There's a kernel driver that emulates the Linux kernel, and some NTFS tricks are done to give the subsystem a very Linux like file system picture. Very cool, so while I was doing all that, I did a Win 10 install.

And boy, was I creeped out. The good news was the Windows 8.1 key still worked and allowed a "free" upgrade activation. But the damn privacy shit... My God.

I had to fight it to create a regular old local account and not the MS "LIve" account it wants to create. Then carefully turn off all the data collection shit. Several pages of it, and I was seriously getting creeped out at what Microshit is doing.

And then Cortana, the voice activated "assistant". I had to turn that off. I have no microphone plugged in and thank God. If it sneaks and turns itself on, it can't hear anything.

But you ought to read the fine print on what Cortana does if you enable it fully.

When I was a little kid, I thought the Star Trek voice activated computer was so cool. Wouldn't that be great.... Well, no more. It's the creepiest damn thing to me now.

And even put aside the privacy shit, I cannot make myself talk to a damn machine/software. It's just the most uncomfortable thing to me. And I don't really understand why fully, but I don't want to talk to no damn computer.

Kind of a silly plot and it might not be quite as good as 'Pandorum' in the Waking Up In A Defective Colony Ship genre. But it does have Jennifer Lawrence's gravelly voice, and her butt.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at March 21, 2017 10:42 PM (6FqZa)

I just saw it, too. Not terrible. A bit too contrived. It was pretty predictable - not in specifics but in some of the general paths of the story. The ending was the climax of contrivance. Still, not unfun to watch. I wouldn't pay to see it, though. It'll be out on cable in a month, probably.

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156 Frankly, a lot of the student debt was incurred under false pretenses, with universities that unscrupulously required high levels of debt from uninformed recipients....though I'd have to check my notes from Professor Kingsfield on contracts.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at March 21, 2017 10:36 PM (0w2IZ)

If the students signed the loan contract, they are on the hook for it. If their parents co-signed, then the parents are on the hook.

If the student is 18, then the contract is legal. That's why a kid under 18 needs to have someone co-sign the student loan.

196143 Trump could win over a generation of voters by abrogating student debt...which as a businessman frankly I could see the benefit of.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at March 21, 2017 10:29 PM (0w2IZ)

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Just. No.

He would piss off all of those who paid their loans off and would now be paying for these leeches. Buying votes is the Liberal way.

Posted by: Flyboy

I agree. It just encourages people to think the taxpayers should cover the cost of everything in their lives. And after he forgave all of their student loans they would still hate him for deporting illegal aliens, because media people and university people tell them to hate him, and they're too dumb to think for themselves.

Posted by: nerdygirl at March 21, 2017 10:47 PM (+lVUW)

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Frankly, a lot of the student debt was incurred under false pretenses, with universities that unscrupulously required high levels of debt from uninformed recipients....though I'd have to check my notes from Professor Kingsfield on contracts.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at March 21, 2017 10:36 PM (0w2IZ)

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Fcuk that. The fact that they made the decision to go $200k into debt will forever not be my problem.

Posted by: Flyboy at March 21, 2017 10:47 PM (blNRS)

198I don't notice. But I still use 2 spaces myself. That's how I was taught to type on a typewriter. I know it's incorrect.

Posted by: CaliGirl at March 21, 2017 10:31 PM (u8Ywb)

It's not incorrect. It is the H. L. Mencken stylebook, along with capitalizing cardinal directions and seasons.

Posted by: Kindltot at March 21, 2017 10:47 PM (0hI48)

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>.
I never get the whole concept of the hook up culture as some recent
phenomenon. I was in college in the 90s pre-Tinder. And the hook up
culture was alive and well back then as well. And everyone I knew from
back in the day settled down, got married, had kids, etc.

Sure, it's not new. However, I would imagine that there's a higher % of people who are actively hooking up vs. dating today. I've been out of it for a few decades, so I'm only basing this on my own observation and what the media/entertainment shows (and stats on people marrying later, etc.), but it sure seems like it's more the norm than dating. Especially since feminism convinces women they must establish a career before settling down. Seems to a be a hostility toward things like marriage and kids more than in the past, and that must factor into how interested people are in dating vs. hooking up w/some random from tinder or your friend w/benefits.

When I went to college we had a dining hall. Everyone got the same meal. Only one upperclassmen dorm had air conditioning, and the only academic building that had AC was the science building. It didn't bother us in the least. As for the administration, there were a hell of a lot less then than there are now, and the enrollment has only gone up about 15% in the last 30 years.
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at March 21, 2017 10:31 PM (1JnAL)

When I spent a summer drink- er studying at the University of London, the digs were spartan. Hard cots and a desk. No private bathrooms or showers. You had to feed a meter with 5p pieces to get heat from the radiator (and in England in the summer, you frequently need it). A cafeteria with shit food. Want to relax and hang out? Go to a pub. From what I understand, European universities are still like that - and many of the students live at home and commute.

I've told college students who go on about "free" Euro unversities that they'd scream if they had barebones accommodations like that. I didn't mind, because my own place in the states was all milk cartons, boards and bricks and Goodwill furniture. But today? It must be a huge letdown when these kids graduate and get their own places and find they're not nearly as spacious and luxurious as their old college dorm room.

Posted by: Donna, tan now gone but with &&&&&&& to burn and so there at March 21, 2017 10:49 PM (P8951)

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About 6 months before she shot her boyfriend Claudine Longet was on the Tonight Show with Johnny Carson. I remember she sat on the edge of the riser where the chair and couch were and she sang a song.

The reason I remember this is because she was wearing a short skirt you could see her panties. When you are a 15 y.o. boy in 1975-76 that is some serious spank bank stuff.

Posted by: Jaqen H'ghar at March 21, 2017 10:50 PM (5fSr7)

206153 I would have asked "What, exactly, have you seen?"
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess

that would have been fun, but I sense she's crazy, and she's technically my superior.

don't want to lose one of my jobs. didn't want to corner her.

Posted by: booknlass

Yeah, it might not be smart to get into political arguments at work.

Posted by: nerdygirl at March 21, 2017 10:50 PM (+lVUW)

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Go to a dorm parking lot at any major college and you'll be hard pressed to find a car older than 5 years. Then go iside and you'll see top of the line macs, iphones, the latest video game consoles, etc in the dorm rooms.

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Sure, it's not new. However, I would imagine that there's a higher % of people who are actively hooking up vs. dating today. I've been out of it for a few decades, so I'm only basing this on my own observation and what the media/entertainment shows (and stats on people marrying later, etc.), but it sure seems like it's more the norm than dating. Especially since feminism convinces women they must establish a career before settling down. Seems to a be a hostility toward things like marriage and kids more than in the past, and that must factor into how interested people are in dating vs. hooking up w/some random from tinder or your friend w/benefits.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 21, 2017 10:48 PM (NOIQH)

The constant rush to have sex earlier, with fewer attachments to the sex partner is real. Technology is helping to speed it up even more.

A decade or so from now, assuming no concerted effort to change course, we WILL be debating as a society whether or not it's wrong for adults to be having sex with children.

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208 Alex the chick knows what kind of gun to use on spiders. Ask her.
Posted by: Eromero at March 21, 2017 10:50 PM (zLDYs)

My personal preference is for bazookas.

Posted by: Donna, tan now gone but with &&&&&&& to burn and so there at March 21, 2017 10:51 PM (P8951)

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Maybe someone can explain something to me. Why the fuck is Del Taco so stingy with their green sauce??!
Posted by: qdpsteve at March 21, 2017 10:44 PM (qazQh)

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There is a several gallon squirt can of it available if you're will willing to walk in about 30 feet from the door and go get it.

Posted by: Flyboy at March 21, 2017 10:52 PM (blNRS)

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208 Alex the chick knows what kind of gun to use on spiders. Ask her.
Posted by: Eromero at March 21, 2017 10:50 PM (zLDYs)

I'm pretty sure she goes with the flammenwerfer.

Posted by: Insomniac - sin valor at March 21, 2017 10:52 PM (0mRoj)

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Flyboy, and get out of the car?!?!? What are you, crazy? Nooo thanks.

Posted by: qdpsteve at March 21, 2017 10:52 PM (qazQh)

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I owned that tanning salon at the beginning of the "Hook-Up Culture" and I had no idea what was going-on.

About 10% of the Girls, and YES, I mean girls, (seventeen, eighteen), were inappropriate in their language and actions.

Were I not a decent human being, and not taken-aback by this? Things would have gotten complicated very quickly. I mean, damn. I was in my late thirties, early forties.

I had a sixteen year-old girl grab my ass while her Mother waited in the front. I told her, "You do that again and I'll give you a refund and ask you to leave."

I mean, Holy Shit?!?

I regret not telling her Mother about it. But she behaved in a proper fashion from then-on, because she knew I was pissed.

The whole "culture" is going straight to Hell

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1) (T) at March 21, 2017 10:52 PM (6gk0M)

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211 Eromero, how many spiders have pulled a gun on Alex?
Posted by: qdpsteve at March 21, 2017 10:51 PM (qazQh)

I'm sure the tarantulas in AZ are packing heat.

Posted by: Donna, tan now gone but with &&&&&&& to burn and so there at March 21, 2017 10:53 PM (P8951)

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Claudine Longet helped me discover socks...oh so many years ago. Damn what a voice.

Posted by: Diogenes at March 21, 2017 10:53 PM (5v15w)

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Don't get me wrong--my husband is NOT always correct
nor does he have all the answers. He can't order me around or act like a
tyrant, but by God, he is the head of our household and his word is
final.

They're not SJWs exactly where I work but I know of at least one (who's not a citizen here) who would happily support a coup against Trump if he could. I remember him cheering when the moderators tried to scupper him in the debates. He's basically at a war footing against Trump. Which means I can't feel safe mooting mine own politics.

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I'm going to have to start using Win7 Ultimate x64 as my main OS now. I've been sticking with XP x64, but I've got installations of all of them. 7, 8 and now 10, and a couple small "rescue" installs of 7 (vanilla installs with nothing added to keep it clean to use if one of the others gets hosed. That way, I have a full system to investigate and work with if need be). But I've got more than I need, really.

At any rate, they're dropping XP support in the latest updates of things I use now a lot, and I'm going to have to just make myself use 7 as the full time one now.

Any minute now Bill Gates is gonna march in here and wave a big wad a cash in my face, going "neener neener!!" :-P

Posted by: qdpsteve at March 21, 2017 10:56 PM (qazQh)

236And the 70s and 60s too I'm sure. Which is so weird that people make it seem like the notion of hooking up started spontaneously sometime around October 2010 or something.
Posted by: #neverskankles

I think that what's changed is that women have become less embarrassed by it. Among some women now, there is nothing negative about indiscriminate screwing around. Thus the need for easy access to abortion, and the need to make abortion acceptable.

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220: Co-worker has not taken Trump as POTUS very well. He's ok most of the time. Occasional comments from time to time that I either just don't respond to or I say something sarcastic. I'll "agree" with him and say something so obviously over the top he KNOWS I'm being an ass. He changes the subject usually.

Thanks votermom! I'm not a writer or a typesetter so I will continue my practice of double spacing and I will ignore the people that tell me it's outdated.

Posted by: CaliGirl at March 21, 2017 10:57 PM (u8Ywb)

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Type writers. Reminds of my mother. She learned to type on an old mechanical typewriter. Hell, she's still got an old Royal she had. Now, on those, you had to hit the keys hard.

When I first got her to start using a computer, I thought she was going to tear up the keyboard, so hard was she hitting the keys. She finally got out of that, but it took several years for her to stop banging the keys.

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126 Trump could win over a generation of voters by abrogating student debt...which as a businessman frankly I could see the benefit of.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at March 21, 2017 10:29 PM (0w2IZ)

Sure, he could probably buy some votes one time that way.

But what should actually happen is cutting federal funds to shut down 50-75% of our diploma mills, raise tuition drastically on the rest, get the feds completely out of the student loan business, restrict any loans to schools with billion dollar endowments, require schools to be the co-signer on every student loan,...

I could probably think of more, but that's a start.

Well, it's a start if education is the goal.

Posted by: Moron Robbie at March 21, 2017 10:58 PM (/f1mm)

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224 If you are using Tinder in college then you are doing the college thing wrong.
Posted by: Phone of Widespread Pepe at March 21, 2017 10:54 PM (MwiFE)

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Heh. True. Very true. College kids are missing out on the fun on "the college thing".

Posted by: #neverskankles at March 21, 2017 10:58 PM (vsYKI)

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Flyboy, and get out of the car?!?!? What are you, crazy? Nooo thanks.
Posted by: qdpsteve at March 21, 2017 10:52 PM (qazQh)

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Just a little friendly advice. But, I'm 6'1" and 195, so what do I know?

Posted by: Flyboy at March 21, 2017 10:59 PM (blNRS)

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A decade or so from now, assuming no concerted effort to change course, we WILL be debating as a society whether or not it's wrong for adults to be having sex with children.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 21, 2017 10:51 PM (Pz4pT)

That debate has been taking place for the last few years. Fog. Water. Pot. Boil. Slow.

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puddleglum, hah, 'fortunately' i keep to myself so much that i'm sure not to be caught in situations where I have to deal with him outside of work (like lunch etc). and if someone else starts a political discussion I get out of the way

A week ago, I interviewed for more hours and a slightly higher paygrade at the community college where I tutor a couple days a week, and another of the tutors got the job, an SJW who demonstrated against P Trump the day after the election.

Everybody knows I'm a conservative. I wonder if that affected anything? I like my boss, but it's his boss, and the CC culture, that favors the left.

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A decade or so from now, assuming no concerted effort to change course, we WILL be debating as a society whether or not it's wrong for adults to be having sex with children.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 21, 2017 10:51 PM (Pz4pT)

That debate has been taking place for the last few years. Fog. Water. Pot. Boil. Slow.

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I always thought Claudine Longet was so lovely and exotic. But I was only six and and she was on the Andy Williams show.

Posted by: SarahW, at March 21, 2017 11:02 PM (Sp1NT)

Time for me to call it a night, but I'll repeat what I said earlier: knowing nothing of the facts on the case, I'm going to assume she was the victim of violence before she killed him. Women rarely use firearms on their partners, and I'm betting when they do it's often, at least in their minds, self defense.

I don't know, with some couple dynamics it just seems natural that the woman runs the household. My wife is like the screamy little job site foreman and the kids are her unionized uncooperative layabouts. I'm like the hired goon brought in to union bust and knock skulls.

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When I spent a summer drink- er studying at the University of London, the digs were spartan. Hard cots and a desk. No private bathrooms or showers. You had to feed a meter with 5p pieces to get heat from the radiator (and in England in the summer, you frequently need it). A cafeteria with shit food. Want to relax and hang out? Go to a pub. From what I understand, European universities are still like that - and many of the students live at home and commute.

I've told college students who go on about "free" Euro unversities that they'd scream if they had barebones accommodations like that. I didn't mind, because my own place in the states was all milk cartons, boards and bricks and Goodwill furniture. But today? It must be a huge letdown when these kids graduate and get their own places and find they're not nearly as spacious and luxurious as their old college dorm room.
Posted by: Donna, tan now gone but with &&&&&&& to burn and so there at March 21, 2017 10:49 PM (P8951)

I lived on the 3rd floor, showers were on the 1st floor.

Our dorm room had one bed, one chest of drawers and one desk per occupant. That was it. 3 guys to a room. Nobody had a TV because we were in the middle of nowhere and we couldn't pick up any stations. We had a payphone on the 1st floor, and a couple of the rooms would get a phone line installed so that we didn't have to run up and down the steps to make a call.

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Ok ya fucking boneheads, if you voted for hillary, your a dumbfuck, and if you are a rino, well you voted for that cunt also! Trump won, and the reason he won was, we big fat trailer trash, white trash, tax paying , patriotic, trailer trash, small home, God believing, run of the mill people all y'all make fun of, aka a whole bunch of ace of spades folks, well am sick and fucking tired, so take that as you will

298Thanks for stopping by. The ONT is always glad to you see you Morons.

I do believe this is the only stop on the innertubes where I've seen the 'eyeballs' thanked for being there before any other written words. That is such a pleasure to see and I 'most sincerely' thank you, Mis Hum. What you wrote is as rare as a sane Democrat.

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"Our dorm room had one bed, one chest of drawers and one desk per occupant. That was it. 3 guys to a room. Nobody had a TV because we were in the middle of nowhere and we couldn't pick up any stations. We had a payphone on the 1st floor, and a couple of the rooms would get a phone line installed so that we didn't have to run up and down the steps to make a call."
-Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at March 21, 2017 11:09 PM (1JnAL)

I was in jail a few times in my youth, as well.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1) (T) at March 21, 2017 11:13 PM (6gk0M)

300
Bowing out early tonight. Going to try to get something resembling a decent night's sleep. Don't burn the place down without me. Goodnight all.

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The two space thing was a product of the old typewriters which used monspaced fonts (such as we would call them now). Skinny letters used the same amount of space as a wide letters, and thus there would be visually close to one space in between letters sometimes. Using two spaces at the end of a sentence made it more readable by giving a wider space.

With proportional fonts, it's not a problem. Before the advent of the typewriter, I think printers/typesetters had standardized on one space, but their fonts were proportional. It was just the typewriter that brought monospacing to the forefront.

Posted by: John Podesta at March 21, 2017 11:14 PM (aKqWT)

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278 men on campus would have to be idiots to have a fling with a woman under university-court jurisdiction. Tinder is a godsend.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at March 21, 2017 11:08 PM (6FqZa

This is a a great point. Tinder comes with a 50% chance of herpes though.

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Bought the kid a typewriter a few years back. The model Hemingway used. He packed it off to college with his laptop.

Posted by: NCKate at March 21, 2017 11:16 PM (rFLqK)

311Finally, North Carolina and South Dakota have something in common besides Jesus-loving unpeople.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at March 21, 2017 11:08 PM (EZebt)

Well duh. All the smart people know states rights / 10th amendment stuff only applies to things like gun laws and pot. It's not some universal thing the states can apply willy-nilly whenever the feds don't have some specific power delegated by the Constitution.

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Don't get me wrong--my husband is NOT always correct nor does he have all the answers. He can't order me around or act like a tyrant, but by God, he is the head of our household and his word is final.

Posted by: tcn in AK at March 21, 2017 10:41 PM (cm1Bl)

Amen!
Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at March 21, 2017 10:53 PM

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Maybe you could call Mrs. Franpsycho for me and explain this to her? I've been trying for 25 years.

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256 I went to Rice. at the time it was 60% cock. I dated UH chicks when I went there
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at March 21, 2017 11:01 PM (6FqZa)

I went to Hampden-Sydney which was/is 99.9% cock.

Luckily Longwood was a few miles down the road and full of coeds. It was far enough away that your girlfriend didn't come by every day, but close enough that if you needed a stress buster, she was close enough.

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302 Aviator, beer, but Thanks for asking, my boss actually threatened to kick me in my shins, and work has sucked for a long time, so I'm drunk , and pissed!! Is That good enough you fucking smartass !?

Posted by: lousagirl at March 21, 2017 11:22 PM (9plvG)

325Maybe you could call Mrs. Franpsycho for me and explain this to her? I've been trying for 25 years.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at March 21, 2017 11:17 PM (EZebt)

Unfortunately, a woman has to come to this realization on her own, or have been down with it from the beginning. I learned it for myself. I need a guy I can trust to be the head of household. Much happier that way.

Yes and when ObamaCare is repealed and their transition therapy is no longer covered they will go off half-cocked.

Posted by: Malcolm Tent at March 21, 2017 11:23 PM (gtQ/3)

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I don't notice. But I still use 2 spaces myself. That's how I was taught to type on a typewriter. I know it's incorrect.
Posted by: CaliGirl at March 21, 2017 10:31 PM (u8Ywb)
Check this out
http://www.heracliteanriver.com/?p=324
Posted by: @votermom @vm at March 21, 2017 10:41

I still do 2 spaces out of habit, Jules has adapted since she's been IT for yrs.

What I find interesting is how old people address envelopes. My Grandma, b. 1906, always put a comma after every line on the front of a letter.

Then I have a 90 yo volunteer at work that writes the current abbreviation as Il. No that's not how it's done. When they changed to 2 digits it is IL, no period and no small l. Also no punctuation for the USPS.

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Aviator, beer, but Thanks for asking, my boss actually threatened to kick me in my shins, and work has sucked for a long time, so I'm drunk , and pissed!! Is That good enough you fucking smartass !?
Posted by: lousagirl at March 21, 2017 11:22 PM (9plvG)

I like the cut of your jib.

Posted by: Duke of Righteous WTF? at March 21, 2017 11:24 PM (T71PA)

332
I saw Sixty Percent Cock open for Jane's Addiction at The Exchange in '94.

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Moron Robbie, I have gotten lazy in google searches at least. I can spit out any sort of semi similar text and get what I want. I remember when you had to be alta-vista precise, and one trick to finding obscure things was to misspell and see what happened.

Posted by: SarahW, at March 21, 2017 11:25 PM (Sp1NT)

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That is not the only nutty thing the Board of Supervisors has done.

Today they banned city travel to South Dakota.

Finally, North Carolina and South Dakota have something in common
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It is well established that when the Left qualify the word "justice", they mean anything but. "Food Justice", then means, if properly and fully implemented, Holodomor (if we are lucky). Now Sen. Cory Booker has embraced this insanity, which has become quite widespread in academia.

340
I've heard of pipe organs with four manuals but never a typewriter.
Posted by: Kodos
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Stop

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 21, 2017 11:26 PM (ZO497)

341I was an innocent and gullible boy scout; a book worm who thought one went to school to learn important things like math and science, and philosophy. At a time when you went to church to learn about being a good little boy who never got into trouble, and obeyed his parents.

Someone who obeyed the president when he said we have to go to war to save the world from the godless commies.

I had a little birthday supper Saturday night with the middle 2. so fun. I'm grateful. They're 29 and 32. the older one texted me while I was at work, and we met at the restaurant where the younger works. it was lovely. they gave me a pretty glass mobile/chime.

**it's because of the Horde's prayers**

I have not heard from the oldest or youngest, but I've bought an Easter card, and I'm sending a nice long letter in it to the youngest this week. (probably with a 20, since she's in school.)

Slave to Love is a good song, as are lots of other later Roxy tunes, but the only albums that compare to Roxy's first few (five, actually) are Eno's first 3. I still like Before and After Science but it's really not of the same class.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at March 21, 2017 11:12 PM (tHwdc)
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The one I'm thinking about was a single. One side was standard fare Joni the other was with the quartet and it was hot. It was done in a studio.
Joni didn't change her style but with the jazz accompaniment it a 180.

I've looked on YouTube for cuts but the only thing found was live performance, I think it was with Scott, but nothing I found compares in presentation or performance quality.

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"Slapweasel, I would bet most inmates at major prisons only use the toilet to do #2, *after* lights out every evening. They'd get a tiny bit of privacy that way, at least (or so I would assume)."
-Posted by: qdpsteve at March 21, 2017 11:30 PM (qazQh)

I've never been to prison, but I've been to County lockup. The lights never go out in County.

...and sometimes, (with jail-food), you just have to go. There is a reason for this. You should never want to come back.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1) (T) at March 21, 2017 11:33 PM (6gk0M)

361
awwww, thanks guys, I feel better!!
But hiw the fuck do I go to work tomorrow drunk as a skunk??

Posted by: lousagirl at March 21, 2017 11:34 PM (9plvG)

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My kid's dorm room has two sinks and one kid. It's a former hotel, so there's the vanity sink and the bathroom proper sink. Also there are ten foot ceilings, personal HVAC. It's got a few age issues, and we bought him a dehumidifier to deal with some ventilation/moisture issues, but by and large pretty deluxe and nice and private, for a dorm room.

I guess he had it alright in Sweden, I never visited but he had his own private room and a kitchenette, fully stocked with kitchen gear and a microwave.

When he comes home I feel like it's that scene in the Best Years of Our Lives when the pilot visits his parents tiny shack by the railroad tracks.

Posted by: SarahW, at March 21, 2017 11:34 PM (Sp1NT)

363
I've only had one bitch who obeyed, but she ate Alpo and loved to catch the Frisbee, so......

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And I ain't kidding, I have to go to work and not tell this dyke what for!?? I might have to beat her smug ass

Posted by: lousagirl at March 21, 2017 11:37 PM (9plvG)

369You are sitting at the wheel of your motor vehicle that is parked on the side of the road after having been pulled over by a law enforcement patrol car. The officer is standing just close enough to carry on a conversation with you through your open window. He has his had on his duty weapon. He asks you the question, "Do you want to go to jail?"

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You are sitting at the wheel of your motor vehicle that is parked on the side of the road after having been pulled over by a law enforcement patrol car. The officer is standing just close enough to carry on a conversation with you through your open window. He has his had on his duty weapon. He asks you the question, "Do you want to go to jail?"

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O.K. OT-So it's "Mr Hyde" son tonight who was up at 11;45 p.m EST. I said "Why are you up? You have to get up at 6:00 tomorrow" . He said "Because I took a nap this evening." I cannot watch him all the time. If he comes home tired out from running track and then having a cello lesson, he's bound to be at to some ridiculous hour. And he was having a problem with something he was trying to do for school on the computer Then he said "EFF off" and turned the light off on me. Spouse had gone to bed. He did say "Goodnight. I hate it when he says that ." I'm too sensitive sometimes, I guess.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 21, 2017 11:42 PM (fDdVG)

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356 LSU had dorm rooms poured from concrete within the walls of Tiger stadium. They were, well concrete. And cheap; that was back in the 70s.
Posted by: EdmundBurkesShade at March 21, 2017 11:32 PM (ptQdD)

The dorm I lived in was built in 1820, so creature comforts were a little different.

There was an attic in the dorm that you had to sneak into. When we were up there we saw a bunch of what looked like huge shelves. We found out later when we were talking with a lady that was the curator of the school museum that those shelves in the attic were actually the living quarters for slaves that belonged to students. Kind of creepy that they were still there 120 years after slavery ended being used for storage.

He's a jackass 17 year old-only not all the time. Sometimes he'll be very sweet and say, "I love you mom" but he's on the high functioning autism spectrum so relationships are always a bit difficult for him

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Funny, here we are talking about college dorms and how old they were when a lot of us were in school, and how brand new all these things are now. These snowflakes today would freak out if they had to live in a building built in the 1960's.

But, nobody seems to have a problem with sending kids their age up 35K feet in the air in B-52's that were last built about 55 years ago.

405
It's futile to nage adolescents about sleep hours. Their bio-clocks are wired to stay up late and sleep in - one reason highschools have moved to later start times and one reason high-acheiving homeschoolers look so well-rested to their public school equivalents. Since they really can't help the urge to stay up, its a a source of irritation, frustration and conflict. The sassing isn't ok, but I wonder if conflict doesn't have some side benefits, as in an increased tendency to separate from Mom and Dad in the optimal time-frame.

Posted by: SarahW, at March 21, 2017 11:55 PM (Sp1NT)

406Just to clarify. I don't mind when he says "Goodnight", just when he says "Eff off." He does not say this to his dad, just me.Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 21, 2017 11:44 PM (fDdVG)

Fenelon, I believe my Mom would have informed me that I would not speak that way to her while I ate her food and lived under her roof and wore clothes bought by her.

This would not have been out of vanity or pride on her part, but because she felt there were appropriate ways to be and she didn't want me not behaving in that manner. She would have also pointed out that in her opinion I was clearly overworked and needed to do less so I could focus on important things like schoolwork and respect. She could handle discipline like a scalpel.

Posted by: Kindltot at March 21, 2017 11:55 PM (0hI48)

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"He's a jackass 17 year old-only not all the time. Sometimes he'll be very sweet and say, "I love you mom" but he's on the high functioning autism spectrum so relationships are always a bit difficult for him."
-Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 21, 2017 11:51 PM (fDdVG)

That's a difference that I cannot relate to, but I was just a jackass kid. Perhaps saying "Your words matter", like my Mom did won't be enough.

She knew how to break me down and if I was being particularly obstinate, my Dad would take everything away from me that he could.

He would break me down further and tell me that I just insulted his Wife. Nobody, including snotty little jackasses did that.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1) (T) at March 21, 2017 11:55 PM (6gk0M)

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Fenelon, that kind of disrespect should be absolutely unacceptable.

If I did that, I would have been put out of the house. Probably my grandma or one of my buddies would put me up for a few nights. Maybe not after they found out I'd said that.

I can only suggest that you impose dire consequences. You are not going to be doing him a favor by anything less. He's testing you, pass the test!

Posted by: San Franpsycho at March 21, 2017 11:56 PM (EZebt)

409
Wasn't Claudine Longet in an episode of Hogan's Heroes? Seems I remember her doing bit parts in old tv series.

Posted by: Morigu at March 21, 2017 11:59 PM (x6Ax6)

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In any case, Dad has to get involved. He needs to Honor his Wife and defend her from disrespect.

420
And I'm not feeling too sanguine at the moment because I "just: within the past two weeks realized that someone I had been friends with for a year is a narcissist. They're not the malignant kind They' can be a very charming and talented person (as narcissists often can be) but I'm apparently around to make them laugh and inspire them and make them feel good about themselff, but this is now twice when I've had big medical issues and they're never acknowledged it or that I had been in the hospital. That would be true of narcissisist-They're impatient with illness in other people. Plus I have just realized things which they're said are really questionable-not about me, but about relationships in general "God is not your pal" (I agree with that. The hymn says "What a friend we have in Jesus " and it means he can bear our sins. Others can't) However, then the friend said, " Jesus in not your find whom you can't just have them around when you want them." I don't feel that way about my friends. It's not really that I want them around when i want them. W're just busy people and we drift in and out of each other's lives." Anyway, it's a bunch of stuff that I've put together and it hurts that I wasi so stupid not ton realize this before.

Anyway it feels bad. Sorry to blather on.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 22, 2017 12:06 AM (fDdVG)

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Some exciting news at Drudge: North Korea fired four missiles at Japan but they supposedly misfired.

Not at all good.

Posted by: shibumi at March 22, 2017 12:02 AM (FkAXz)

Well, an upside is the possible elimination of that wart on the earth's ass.

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Sorry-Typed badly Friend said "Jesus is not like a friend who's around when you want them to be around/ Otherwise they're not."

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 22, 2017 12:08 AM (fDdVG)

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For those nostalgic for a manual typewriter or those who want to try one, there are plenty out there is you look. Ribbons are also available. I happen to think that they are one of the best tools for first drafts of creative writing, whether fiction or non-fiction. Get all your words on the paper and don't try to make corrections or edits. Just write and correct the text later. It takes getting used to the keys after years of computer keyboards but it isn't too bad.

I am no touch typist but I type faster and more accurately on a manual than with a computer. I also find them more comfortable to use for long periods.

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284,"Our dorm room had one bed, one chest of drawers and one desk per occupant"

Luxury.

Mine had a bunk bed, an couch/bed, two desks. bathroom was a through and through with shower-toilet-sink and door to the next dorm room which shared. 3 guys to a room, 6 sharing the bathroom and this was the good dorm arrangements. Some had the entire floor share a huge bathroom. And the girl's dorm locked up at 10 pm weekdays-midnight weekends. MSU mid 60s.

No, he's still looking. Amazon will hire him for order fulfillment, but I think Amazon is odd. They don't even interview you. They just do a background check and a drug test and you're conditionally hired. Thanks for asking.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 22, 2017 12:09 AM (fDdVG)

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so sorry you're going through trouble with a friend, too. love and prayers for you Fenelon!

Of course it hurts. No need to apologize.I have very few friends. Very. Few. Can't be bothered with the half-assed ones.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at March 22, 2017 12:12 AM (tHwdc)

431I think Amazon is odd. They don't even interview you. They just do a background check and a drug test and you're conditionally hired.

I actually kind of *like* that. I frankly am sick of interviewing. IMHO most hiring authorities just hire whomever they like the best or find the prettiest/most handsome, not who is actually best qualified. They know they can get away with it, so they don't give a fuck.

Dad was asleep. I was up with insomnia. I wasn't going to wake him in to tell me that our son said "Eff off." to me He has spoken to the son before about this and he doesn't do it very often. I think he was just really tired and frustrated at the work he couldn't get done and when i explained why I was concerned as to why he wasn't in bed he got it.

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I'm sure long ago noted, but MisHum, "flout", not "flaunt" - a very common switcheroo error.

And to tie the ongoing judicial coup into the topic of punishing/changing "sanctuary" lawlessness: if the "courts" can casually, and with impunity (i.e., they are not repudiated) pull their audacious, lawless, baseless, indefensible, ridiculous usurpation of executive authority on immigration admissions, what makes anyone think they'll have any trouble completely negating anything Trump does to restore rule of law on "sanctuary" idiocy?

Someone ought to start a pool on when the legal establishment finally reaches the epiphany that "chaos" is what we have right now, "constitutional crisis" is what we have right now, it's not some distant hypothetical.

Part of the problem is that I have been very supportive and then the N said something in public to other people that I jfound rather appalling and I called them on that. Not in front of other people-I wouldn't do that-but by e-mail. Since then I've more or less been dropped. They said "I don't get made very easily" but I think that was not true. I;d like to think I'm a reasonably intelligent person but it took me this wrong to read them correctly.

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I have very few friends. Very. Few. Can't be bothered with the half-assed ones.Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at March 22, 2017 12:12 AM---

I suspect you and I are a lot alike.

For a long while, I was everyone's emotional dumping ground-- friends and a boss. Well, within about a year, I got rid of the boss who was passive aggressive and somewhat verbally abusive, and the friends that were simply using me to listen to themselves bitch.

Life is so much quieter and my stress level is the lowest it's been in years.

Posted by: shibumi at March 22, 2017 12:20 AM (FkAXz)

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Know that you're on The Horde's Prayer List, Fenelon. Never stop being an inspiration, even through difficulty.

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Fenelon: It never rains but pours. Naturally, your son acts out when all heck is breaking loose. This is life.

However, stop making excuses for him. He said something unacceptable, and needs to be held accountable. Some things require more than an apology, and this is one of those things. Men who disrespect women find life very difficult, eventually, and it starts at home.

I agree that this is a man to man talk that needs to take place, with consequences, whatever form that may take.

I'm put in mind of what my mom said to me. She told me she prays for me every night, but said she wouldn't tell me WHAT she prayed, precisely. Depended on my behavior. Yipes.

The good news is that, while it takes longer to grow up a boy child than a girl child, the can, eventually, grow up and move out.

449I don't know, with some couple dynamics it just seems natural that the woman runs the household. My wife is like the screamy little job site foreman and the kids are her unionized uncooperative layabouts. I'm like the hired goon brought in to union bust and knock skulls.

Posted by: Max Power at March 21, 2017 11:07 PM (q177U)

That bolded part is as good of a description of being married with children as I've ever read. Should go on a cross stitch sampler, with slight modifications, hung next to the coat rack at the entrance to the abode.

455449 I don't know, with some couple dynamics it just seems natural that the woman runs the household. My wife is like the screamy little job site foreman and the kids are her unionized uncooperative layabouts. I'm like the hired goon brought in to union bust and knock skulls.

Posted by: Max Power at March 21, 2017 11:07 PM (q177U)

That bolded part is as good of a description of being married with children as I've ever read. Should go on a cross stitch sampler, with slight modifications, hung next to the coat rack at the entrance to the abode.
Posted by: RickZ at March 22, 2017 12:21 AM (L0PQJ)

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You're going to be okay, Fenelon. Don't worry about the grammar and typos. Love doesn't see those.

Do you want to talk to someone?

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1) (T) at March 22, 2017 12:25 AM (6gk0M)

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Thanks, everybody. It will be fine. I am well grounded in my faith and my husband is a wonderful man. It just seems like everything is hitting at the same time-yes, and a chronic lack of sleep doesn't help. Thanks for listening.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 22, 2017 12:25 AM (fDdVG)

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"I wish we had Bumgarner on the roster for the final."
-Posted by: gewa76 at March 22, 2017 12:22 AM (B6OKy)

Yeah. Me, too! Do you know who has innings left? I haven't even looked.

460Part of the problem is that I have been very supportive and then the N said something in public to other people that I jfound rather appalling and I called them on that. Not in front of other people-I wouldn't do that-but by e-mail. Since then I've more or less been dropped. They said "I don't get made very easily" but I think that was not true. I;d like to think I'm a reasonably intelligent person but it took me this wrong to read them correctly.

I appreciate your understanding. and support.---

Fenelon, have you ever read the book Emotional Vampires?

I highly recommend it. It's about personality disorders.

Even if a person is not a malignant narcissist, they are still extremely difficult to deal with. They are masters of disguise, and it's easy for us to care about their false self.

Becuase what they are presenting is a false self. And when you call them on it, they simply bail on you and move onto the next person in line. It's what they do.

Regular people are nothing but narcissistic supply to them, and that's something that's really hard for normal people to understand. Because it's not normal. These people are psychologically disordered. They are functional, but they are still disordered. It's not you; it's them.

All people with personality disorders are hard to deal with; the former boss was a diagnosed passive aggressive. He admitted that early in my employment- which is really inappropriate for a boss to disclose. I didn't think that meant anything until things started getting difficult with him. To this day, I suspect that he consistently lied to me about a lot of major things. I'll never know of course.

Posted by: shibumi at March 22, 2017 12:27 AM (FkAXz)

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Never call a Narcissist a Narcissist. You are outing them. They will target you and destroy your life.

That is funny. I don't know who the head of the household is aside from Christ. My husband had an alcoholic father so basically his mother ran the house and his father brought in the money, so we discuss things a lot but I think I may be more of the foreman and having a mother who was that way he's just used to it. And no ,h'e not a pu*** and I don't treat him badly.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 22, 2017 12:29 AM (fDdVG)

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"I don't know, with some couple dynamics it just seems natural that the woman runs the household. My wife is like the screamy little job site foreman and the kids are her unionized uncooperative layabouts. I'm like the hired goon brought in to union bust and knock skulls."
-Posted by: Max Power at March 21, 2017 11:07 PM (q177U)

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Never call a Narcissist a Narcissist. You are outing them. They will target you and destroy your life.--

LOL. The one I have to deal with at work admitted it to me, and claims that he is "cured."

FYI, it can't EVER be cured.

He also has depression problems, might be slightly bipolar and at one point told me he was going to commit suicide. The boss was VERY unhappy about that, since he considers those sorts of threats abusive.

Which they were.

On the positive side, I've managed to gently glide the boss way from the Narcissist, and we have a lovely gentleman in Germany who is doing much of his work. BTW, the guy in Germany is much better at the job and easier to deal with.

Posted by: shibumi at March 22, 2017 12:31 AM (FkAXz)

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funny. I don't know who the head of the household is aside from Christ. My husband had an alcoholic father so basically his mother ran the house and his father brought in the money

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You have to respect a confirmed alcoholic who still brings in the money. That's a FUNCTIONAL alcoholic right there.

I haven't called them that and while they could try to ruin my life, they don't really know any of the same people I am close to We are not in the same church. And I do imagine it must be kind of shock if I was the pleasant charming person and all of the sudden I came out with my critique about their behavior.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 22, 2017 12:32 AM (fDdVG)

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..."On the positive side, I've managed to gently glide the boss way from the Narcissist, and we have a lovely gentleman in Germany who is doing much of his work. BTW, the guy in Germany is much better at the job and easier to deal with."
-Posted by: shibumi at March 22, 2017 12:31 AM (FkAXz)

Except that his dad would drink on the job too (It was in a thermos that looked like coffee) 0just not enough to get fired. Then he'd come home and drink till he passed out. He was not a good father at all.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 22, 2017 12:35 AM (fDdVG)

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If I may be excused, I need to roll some addictive, cancer-causing cigarettes.

I have heard of that book. I have't read it. However, this friend has been married for 35 years and the family never speaks badly of them (I don't know their family that well) just hints if you know that I mean. And they have done exceptionally well in their career.

Also, I've grown tired of inspirational quotes about grabbing your own happiness. There are too many people today who walk all over everyone else in their quest to assert their happiness and not enough trying to bring some of that joy to others. There's a reason why "You is important" was LAST on the list of things for Abileen in _The Help_ to remember in life, and "You is kind" was FIRST.

You is kind. You is smart. You is important.

Consider others. Use your intelligence to do that and other great things. Remember to care for yourself.

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Cluster B Personality Types, mainly Narcissists, are a real epidemic in this country that is not being talked about.---You're preaching to the choir.

I know way too many people who either have full disorders or border on them.

Many are very good at hiding it, and when their disorder rears its head, you go into shock, which I think is what happened to Fenelon. Then you blame yourself for not seeing it earlier. But they hide it from you, so many times you can't see it. And you brush things off and blame them on a person being stressed or quirky. Then they manipulate you and make you feel bad when you try to escape.

All of which is why my significant other is a cat.

Posted by: shibumi at March 22, 2017 12:37 AM (FkAXz)

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gNewt, Trump also has plenary authority (basically unlimited, total discretion) to control admissions to the US on national security grounds.

Five judges just ripped that power from him, without a shred of legal or constitutional basis, at all.

So, no, the judicial coup now going unchallenged gives the judiciary plenary power over anything they choose, if they have the will to pursue it.

And with something like withholding appropriated federal funds from municipalities because they don't honor "detainers" from ICE, the courts probably wouldn't have to do anything as audacious and outrageous as their coup regarding admissions into the US.

I'm confident they could find some pathetically sophomoric, unpersuasive, bad faith "reasoning" based on existing law and precedent, judging by what passes for legal reasoning for some time now (from one side, that is).

My favorite is hearing doctors who will not treat them because they cannot be cured..... To them it's like what's the point. These therapists and doctors who say this have just as little regard for the lives that the Cluster B's destroy than the Cluster B's do.

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@ 443, 461Fenelon, before I read your typo correction I was puzzling over your post about calling out a narcissist at work in an email and their reply that they didn't get made very easily, thinking they were surprised you had them pegged.

I have some autistic students, and they often don't have any clue of the effects of their words or actions on others; it's part of what we try to teach them.

But the friend didn't blame me. They just said "Well, I do tend to get very emotional about things I care about" (But you didn't notice that people were just grimacing when you cut them off, disagreed with them and didn't find some way to acknowledge their POV even if you didn't agree with them ?) It';s just after that they didn't answer my e-mails or didn't acknowledge that I had sick.
Right now, I haver to see this person several times a week so I guess I'll just be pleasant and shut up..

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Then they manipulate you and make you feel bad when you try to escape.

All of which is why my significant other is a cat.
Posted by: shibumi at March 22, 2017 12:37 AM (FkAXz

If they allow you to escape then they have either found another target or they were not a Cluster B. If somebody would rather tell at you than cudlle or spend adult time with you, then that is a red flag.

Mine had a bunk bed, an couch/bed, two desks. bathroom was a through and through with shower-toilet-sink and door to the next dorm room which shared. 3 guys to a room, 6 sharing the bathroom and this was the good dorm arrangements. Some had the entire floor share a huge bathroom. And the girl's dorm locked up at 10 pm weekdays-midnight weekends. MSU mid 60s.

Posted by: geoffb5 at March 22, 2017 12:09 AM (d3wbb)

You had luxury.

I only had a bunk bed, two desks, a large closet divided into 2 and a sink with mirror. The bathroom stalls, with locking doors, were down the hall and on the backside of the shower room. That shower room was like any high school gym locker shower room, an elevated concrete floor with a drainage ditch around the edges and maybe ten shower nozzles, five per side, without any walls/barriers. The pay phone was down the hall in a booth. In our room, our cook source was not a microwave nor a toaster oven but a popcorn popper. Cooked popcorn and heated soup in that thing. The mini fridge could hold beer, cheese and other minor essentials requiring refrigeration, although in the winter we hung the beer cans in a mesh laundry bag out the window. Cheese and crackers were a common late night study snack.

My Mom and I used a code on that pay phone so as not to pay for passing on info. When I drove the six hours to school, I'd call Mom collect if I got to school okay with no car troubles. She'd get a collect call from me, and it being collect knew I was okay and deny the charges. If I paid for the call, she knew there was a problem.

I don't think my friend is autistic. He just doesn't always listen to people which would be true of narcissists as well-It's also true o my son too, but we (son and I) frequency have these conversations about how his behavior affects people. Thanks

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Right now, I have to see this person several times a week so I guess I'll just be pleasant and shut up..--

That's a good start Fenelon.

BTW, since you do have to deal with this person, it's my experience that when you withdraw, they will suddenly become the nicest, most charming person, and really make an effort to be a good friend.

But... it's not real. In the world of any narcissist, people are just sources of narcissistic supply, and it's easier to try to get a proven source back then to get a new one.

Posted by: shibumi at March 22, 2017 12:51 AM (FkAXz)

495
A little game that the Borderlines love to play is provoking you until they get the reaction that they want so they can play the victim for their target audience. Nothing is out of bounds for these people when using coersion to get the reaction they desire.

496
A little game that the Borderlines love to play is provoking you until they get the reaction that they want so they can play the victim for their target audience. Nothing is out of bounds for these people when using coersion to get the reaction they desire.---

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For a long while, I was everyone's emotional dumping
ground-- friends and a boss. Well, within about a year, I got rid of
the boss who was passive aggressive and somewhat verbally abusive, and
the friends that were simply using me to listen to themselves bitch.

Life is so much quieter and my stress level is the lowest it's been in years.

Posted by: shibumi at March 22, 2017 12:20 AM (FkAXz)

I lost a handful of "friends" when I got married. Being happy, I had nothing in common with them any longer. Then, of course, as things heated up politically during the Obama years, a few more sloughed off (liberal drama types). My hubby's death pretty much ditched the rest since I was no longer available to participate in their woes. My own were an enormous event horizon that they fled from.It hurt at the time, since I was already feeling a great deal of self-pity. But I prayed a lot and "forgave" the selfishness and unkindness of certain individuals. Since there's nothing I can do about their behavior, all I can do is work on my own reaction. With God's help I made a lot of progress.Now, my decks are more or less clear for a new start.

Person is giving lectures I'm attending which are called studies and they're interesting. Person is very smart and well informed. I was peering over my glasses (because my glasses are lousy) and friend said "You have a question?" I just vigorously shook my head and smiled. I realize they don't like to be questioned in public. They ARE the expert. If they are the narcissi and I'm jut not the needy one they're a narcissist who thrives on being the smartest one inn the room, not the one who thinks they're the most good looking..

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Misanthropic Humanitarian, You are doing a wonderful job with the ONT. Thank you!

Posted by: Locke Common at March 22, 2017 12:58 AM (W7UK3)

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@ Fenelon. sorry, the second comment was in reference to your son, because I know it's harsh to hear his comment even when you understand him.

My original misunderstanding was that you had called your coworker a narcissist in an email and they were surprised you'd "made" (recognized) them.

Posted by: venus velvet at March 22, 2017 12:59 AM (g94P/)

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That s pretty heavy to call a co-worker a narcissist. Where do you people work?

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at March 22, 2017 01:02 AM (bMQv/)

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496 A little game that the Borderlines love to play is provoking you until they get the reaction that they want so they can play the victim for their target audience. Nothing is out of bounds for these people when using coersion to get the reaction they desire.
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Sorry. I type badly at all times and am very tired. No wonder you were confused. No, I did not call my friend a narcissist. I just called said they were really cranky with people attending the lecture.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 22, 2017 01:04 AM (fDdVG)

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> Your success and happiness lies in you. Resolve to keep happy, and your joy and you shall form an invincible host against difficulties. Helen Keller

511
The underground factories link was very cool. As a teenager, I had one of those R1155 radios made in the Plessey factory (although mine may well have been made in Canada). It was a darned good receiver in its day. They were commonplace in surplus dealers in the early '60's.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 22, 2017 01:08 AM (WDdjT)

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And maybe I expect too much of people. The friend said that to me, "I have decided not to expect too much of people. That way I avoid disappointment. "which I think means, "If they do not immediately agree with what I you say and do it the way they want" you think they're hopeless. This friend has been high leadership positions. They're used to telling people what to do. It doesn't work so well inn a church.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 22, 2017 01:09 AM (fDdVG)

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473 If I may be excused, I need to roll some addictive, cancer-causing cigarettes.
Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1) (T) at March 22, 2017 12:36 AM (6gk0M)

Go buy you some tootsie pops and give up the cancer sticks. One cancer scare a year is too many for me. Nothing goes in the lungs but air, baby, fresh clean air.

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That is funny. I don't know who the head of the household is aside from Christ. My husband had an alcoholic father so basically his mother ran the house and his father brought in the money, so we discuss things a lot but I think I may be more of the foreman and having a mother who was that way he's just used to it. And no ,h'e not a pu*** and I don't treat him badly.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 22, 2017 12:29 AM (fDdVG)

We always pray in the morning. It's a wonderful time and in our time of thanksgiving. We do the ACTS method of prayer Adoration of God Confession in silence or if we;done something hurtful to each otherThanksgiving and Supplication. In the thanksgiving time I always express the ways in which I grateful to God for my husband. We really miss this time when we don't have it. We also spend a couple of minutes doing the Jesus prayer "Lord, Jesus Christ have mercy on me" with four breath in and six breaths out for a about three minutes. It's a wonderful tool for relaxation. i would find it impossible to be married to someone who did not share my faith.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 22, 2017 01:18 AM (fDdVG)

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ok grammar nazis - when reading a book, do you notice if it uses two spaces after every period or not?

Posted by: @votermom @vm at March 21, 2017 10:14 PM (Om16U)

Books don't need to; the typesetting process takes care of that. Two spaces after a period is a rule for typewriters. Good word processors should also make a slightly longer space at the end of a sentence.

522
so when i was playing catch-up, i found one of JJ's articles from this morning labeled: Once Again, Zero Evidence Showing Trump/Russky Collusion or Stolen Election
which was a dailywire story titled: There's Just One Problem With Those Russia Collusion Charges: No Evidence
(great article, you should read it) and in there was a line recapping the current narrative 'The Russians ("The Russians?") decided the entire election.'
and where it said "The Russians?" was a link to a clip from a movie: "Burn After Reading" and as a pretty big Coen Brothers fan i had to ask myself "how on earth did i miss this one???" just finished watching it and found it amazing 11/10.
so timely and utterly orgasmic if you've been red pilled and also got up early just to ready the wikileaks cia dump.
spooks are much more bumbling idiots than 5D chess pro james bond like super agents.
although it is from 2008, it was like it was made for me to watch this year, in this 2017 world, such as it is...

Alberta Oil Peon, I had a funny imaginative thought bubble of you today. I was listening to Jeepster from the TRex album and I thought of you and your friends driving up and down hills in the desert, and I smiled. you telling us here about your adventures gave me a happy little daydream.

534
If Microsoft was smart, they'd subcontract out the support of old operating systems, to keep customers happy, instead of slashing them out of existence.

It's beyond aggravating that they think they can force everybody into new systems.

Posted by: qdpsteve at March 21, 2017 10:56 PM (qazQh)

If Microsoft were really smart, they would donate all the XP source code and documentation to a non-profit foundation to be distributed as open-source, as Linux is done. They could structure it to claim a yuuuge tax write off.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 22, 2017 01:42 AM (WDdjT)

535
Revisiting Walking Boner - reminds me of my own Mist of Lust. Long story for another time.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at March 22, 2017 01:42 AM (tHwdc)

536
i was a young mother of daughters in the 80's, and Madonna's influence sucked from that viewpoint. She was a brat that popularized wearing lingerie on the OUTside. lol

When will some fcuking people here realize that they are killing Ace's click rate because they are too fcuking lazy to use tinyurl and are driving out phone users? I appreciate the BJer, but sheesh....

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It is true that when you're on a mobile device that the Margin-Blowing is a non-starter. You just can't scroll sideways for every freaking comment.

THAT'S why we have "The Barrel.

It is there to embarrass people into knowing the limitations of Minx 0.7 Alpha.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1) (T) at March 22, 2017 01:57 AM (6gk0M)

547If Microsoft were really smart, they would donate all the XP source code and documentation to a non-profit foundation to be distributed as open-source, as Linux is done. They could structure it to claim a yuuuge tax write off.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

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Alberta Oil Peon, I had a funny imaginative thought bubble of you today. I was listening to Jeepster from the TRex album and I thought of you and your friends driving up and down hills in the desert, and I smiled. you telling us here about your adventures gave me a happy little daydream.

Posted by: booknlass at March 22, 2017 01:26 AM (8mO0Q)

Those Jeep trips are fun. But you can take a beating, just bracing yourself against the jolting. We did a 9-hour round trip to the "Coke Ovens", and all of us were worn to a frazzle, although the trip was very enjoyable. But the scenery, and the history are worth a little discomfort.

558
When will some fcuking people here realize that they are killing Ace's click rate because they are too fcuking lazy to use tinyurl and are driving out phone users? I appreciate the BJer, but sheesh....

Posted by: The Margins at March 22, 2017 01:53 AM (yovCw)

Maybe you should buy a real computer. Even a netbook will do better.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 22, 2017 02:10 AM (WDdjT)

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Oh ha ha. it was Gramps on Simpsons? i was usually in the kitchen making supper, and couldn't hear the TV. I missed that episode!

My SO was a developer on Windows, mostly earlier versions. MSFT has really declined, but he has patents on a bunch of Win9x platform stuff, mostly graphics. If you remember mouse trails, that was him. A lot of ppl would be surprised some of the cool tricks and innovations that hadn't been done before. I've been saying for a decade they should release the 95 code base, might be too early for XP.

Appreciated the link to the article about how to talk to Narcissists. Funny how I only became acutely aware of the pervasiveness of Narcissism after the rise of the SCOAMF.

Sympathy, FS, for the boy barking at you. My understanding is his type feels much more strongly, so, harder for them to make those critical social weighings which most of us would use to judge when something is appropriate or not. Beautiful minds, differently wired.

About the only reason I ever laid into one of my sons was sassing his momma badly. I kinda lost it. He was taller & tougher than me by that time, though, so I mostly hurt myself.

Howdy, Hordelings. Just passing through on my way from hither to yawn.

583I still remember hating Brett Sommers from The Match game. She wouldn't shut-up.

Posted by: Slapweasel, (Cold1) (T) at March 22, 2017 02:41 AM (6gk0M)

No-talent celebrities on game shows were a staple of the genre back then. Funny how tv game shows are now being show once again in prime time. A paycheck for no-talent celebrities. The more things change, . . . .

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No-talent celebrities on game shows were a staple of the genre back then. Funny how tv game shows are now being show once again in prime time. A paycheck for no-talent celebrities. The more things change, . . . .

Posted by: RickZ at March 22, 2017 02:48 AM (L0PQJ)

That wasn't always the case.

Charles Nelson Reilly was on Match Game, and the old Hollywood Squares was a hoot with that cast of characters they had.

One of my favorite childhood shows was SWAT. Cancelled after 1 1/2 seasons because the "violent" show had attracted a huge audience of pre-teen and young teen boys, like me and all my friends.

My parents had moved into a new subdivision, so there were always 4-5 houses under construction at any given point in my childhood. After the construction guys had left for the day, my friends and I would take over a site to play "SWAT Guys". Crashing through windows that had no glass in them yet to imitate "Deke" in the show's classic opening, crawling along beams, hang dropping from rafters... it was a blast.

But our toy guns weren't black SWAT rifles (with the thing that goes up.) We all had wild-west stuff, so we made for some odd 70s SWAT guys with our toy Colt pistols and Winchester rifles.

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WWW, that's a cool story about your loving SWAT. you reminded me how me and the kids in my little town would play Cat Ballou and Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid, especially, on this old railroad car forgotten on an unused siding. we'd climb up on top of it, and if our parents had known, we'd be in so much trouble.

The two largest houses on our street were directly across the street from each other. One belonged to the town judge. The other belonged to a well-known Mafia capo. (And two houses down from him lived a parole officer.)

Damn right our 'hood was safe.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 22, 2017 03:50 AM (ul9CR)

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But real life LCN don't have their "associates"over to their houses all the time like on the Sopranos. They have safe houses for that. Around here they use houses way out in the country. The capo and his fam were just like any other family in the neighborhood. Never a hint of trouble out of that house.

My dad always warned me not to even think about dating his daughters though.

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I didn't play cops and robbers as a kid. I played lots of cowboys and indians. I also loved the tv show Combat!. We would play 'kill the Krauts' with our toy WWII replica guns, with heavy wooden stock and metal barrel. Ah, the joys of being able to own such realistic toys when I was young. If I had that toy gun today, I could cause serious cases of 'getting the vapors' if I went anywhere with it and if one was butted with that rifle, like in the tv shows and movies, it really hurt. That thing weighed at least a couple of pounds. Didn't shoot any projectiles, but the bolt action worked and pulling the trigger made a distinctive metallic click. And no neighbor ever called the cops on us.

603The two largest houses on our street were directly across the street from each other. One belonged to the town judge. The other belonged to a well-known Mafia capo. (And two houses down from him lived a parole officer.)

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FYI Judy Collins, of Suite Judy Blue Eyes fame, has an amazing voice. Joni Mitchell is fantastic and her evolution to jazz is wonderful. She owns Both Sides Now where as before she merely sang it well. As for Supertramp, the logical song describes the warehousing of children that passes for education and predates Pink Floyd's anthem some years later. Breakfast in America remains a brilliant album.

Does this mean I have the last word?

Posted by: Locke Common at March 22, 2017 04:14 AM (W7UK3)

606My dad always warned me not to even think about dating his daughters though.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 22, 2017 03:56 AM (ul9CR)

I can see the scorecard now. First base was a bloody nose. Second base was a broken arm and a bloody nose. Third base was a broken leg, a broken arm and a bloody nose. Fourth base was 'whatever happened to . . . ?'

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OK, so I'm a moron who cut the cable, and everything else, in 2004. But Mrs BC and I are now into season 4, disk one of Blue Bloods and I can't think of a better series that I've seen in the last 30 years.

Am I weird and alone?

God, family Sunday dinners, siblings who actually sort of get along, cops doing the right thing for the right reasons?

The most wonderful thing about it is how my 81 yo mother watches it, and the re-runs on cable, every time it's on. Ms. BC and I have now started having "family" dinners on Sunday for all the relatives. Not all show up (some are out of towners), but that series is amazing. No wonder the lefties HATE IT.

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Acoustic version of Both Sides Now by Randy Scruggs/Nitty Gritty Dirt Band (Will The Circle Be Unbroken Album ) is by far the best version of the song. It just blows me away.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a--0UOzs1FI

Posted by: Ripley at March 22, 2017 06:23 AM (1BQGO)

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612 OK, so I'm a moron who cut the cable, and everything else, in 2004. But Mrs BC and I are now into season 4, disk one of Blue Bloods and I can't think of a better series that I've seen in the last 30 years.

Posted by: Bayou City at March 22, 2017 06:10 AM (lDIk/)

Blue Bloods is a great show for all the reasons you mentioned, plus Tom Selleck can never not be hot.

Posted by: sinalco at March 22, 2017 06:23 AM (yODqO)

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Methinks one more night of temps sub-freezing and then spring is on here in N. Indiana. I saw two bluebirds yesterday wearing sweaters.