175lb to 255 in 11months

Physiology has nothing to do with mental, it's more based on biology. It's been a while since I dove into the mystery that is biology but I am almost sure I remember correctly. That being said, it was meant more to mean that you taxed your "body" to an extent which you may or may not have needed to...(i.e. a better way around the mountain than trying to go through it)

Perhaps you taxed your mental stability as well but that wasn't the direction of that statement above, just saying...

Incidentally, just what were your numbers on an average visit to the gym before the accident, strength wise that is?

I had gone through a bit of a rough patch (2yrs no gym) booze drugs loose women etc i was burning the candles so to speak and then BAM. ****ed myself up real good, couple of ribs,lung, shattered femur etc. In retrospect however it gave me a good kick in the teeth and gave me new appreciation for life.

So in answer to your question prior accident i was not in very good shape at all and i guess ive always had a predisposition to a go through the mountain or wall in my case, dont try that at home, it hurts.

I had gone through a bit of a rough patch (2yrs no gym) booze drugs loose women etc i was burning the candles so to speak and then BAM. ****ed myself up real good, couple of ribs,lung, shattered femur etc. In retrospect however it gave me a good kick in the teeth and gave me new appreciation for life.

So in answer to your question prior accident i was not in very good shape at all and i guess ive always had a predisposition to a go through the mountain or wall in my case, dont try that at home, it hurts.

Still unclear on the Clen but here goes....

I will be taking Benadryl for 7 days @ 50mg a day and simultaneously starting the Clen @ 40mg guess i have 2 weeks to decide how to procede from there.

Ill be sticking to the above high calorie diet that has been working with the ECA stack and adjust accordingly.

You only live once. Hope your keeping a record at home. Your braver than me. I do extreme things to myself but i don't tell anyone unless it works. When i take a before picture i won't look at it until after i've taken my after picture. I'm my worst critic. Keep going. As far as genetics goes, F$#@ genetics. Thats what smart scientists are for.

You only live once. Hope your keeping a record at home. Your braver than me. I do extreme things to myself but i don't tell anyone unless it works. When i take a before picture i won't look at it until after i've taken my after picture. I'm my worst critic. Keep going. As far as genetics goes, F$#@ genetics. Thats what smart scientists are for.

Extremely happy to report Day 6 226.8 that down 5lbs in 5 days and 0.8" off the waist

Those are some pretty impressive results given the fact that i seemed to have been plateauing out on my ECA stack and given the success of weight loss on that 60 day cycle.

Dosing has been twice a day 8a.m and 12 pm. It would seem that im taking an insanely high dose 240mcg yest but to be honest im having less side effects than my wife at 50mcg, my resilience to stims is nothing new my ephedrine levels were 150 a day no sides. Im going the "palumbo" route 6 weeks straight with Benadryl (flush my receptors) at 50 mg every 3rd week i also took it on my 1st week due to my heavy on off use of the ECA 5 days on 3 days of for 8 weeks.

Sleep has been good the Benadryl at night has prob been helping, i found myself to be a little bit sluggish the first few days and added in 50mg Ephedrine ECA prior to hitting the gym for some zing, helps with my breathing too. ill try dropping that to 25mg

Diet has been the exact same as on ECA stack 40 40 20 over 7 meals approx 3500 calories 100% clean, proteins have been chicken, fish, skim milk, eggs and powder. Carbs have been oats whole wheat pasta bread etc green veggies Waxmaize post WO shake. Ive also been cycling carbs down protein up on non heavy days, ive in no way noticed that Clen suppresses my appetite for those that might be wondering.

Will be Increasing my CLA from 5000 to 8000 mg

i may have to start a dietry log as the fat loss is going tp probably taper off and im gonna have to be more maticulous about my macros to manage fat loss and at the same time maintain muscle which is a major concern and the reason for my dietary approach.

It would seem im reaping all the benefits and none of the sides that ive read so much about, on that note as i stated above my wife was non functional and very uncomfortable on just 50mcg so i would suggest not starting out any higher than 60mcg you can always add to that 4 hours later ater evaluating the effects.

Strength remains at or near highs and muscle retention is looking good, i am particularly interested in the anabolic properties that have been reported and refuted, in the coming weeks i will give my honest opinion in that regard. I would love to add Anavar to this cycle however it is prohibitively expensive for me but that would be the absolute bomb if you could afford it.

Keep in mind that your not losing pure fat if your losing 1lb per day...It's impossible to create that kind of deficit and not sacrifice muscle tissue...Also some is water as well.

Based on the pic you posted at 232lbs I would say that's about 18-20% BF{ hard to tell}...So to get lean you have at least another 10% to lose...You can count on 3lbs of weight loss per percentage of BF{generally}...This will put you at 8-10% roughly at 202-205lbs.

So you don't believe its possible to get tp 10% without muscle loss. There certainly seems to be differing opinions. I know 10 or lower there's prob no way to avoid it but my research indicates given right diet and sups 10% is attainable, ill be throw Anvar in there

Sure is...But your not doing it when your losing 5lbs in 5 days...To keep muscle loss to a minimum you should only be losing 2-3lbs per week max...Also some muscle loss is a given...However it's more than likely not gonna be enough to really make a difference.

Sure is...But your not doing it when your losing 5lbs in 5 days...To keep muscle loss to a minimum you should only be losing 2-3lbs per week max...Also some muscle loss is a given...However it's more than likely not gonna be enough to really make a difference.

Day 9
weight 226.2lb -0.2

Chest annihilation day

Glad to see weight loss is tapering off i have read that Clen is responsible for excreting excess water that may be retained by the body and im thinking that is why i had such a large weight loss on days 4 and 5 (3.8lbs total). Such dramatic losses would not be condusive to muscle retention. Hoping for 3-4 lbs a week no diet change

Weighed in this morn @ 227.2 up 2lbs from yest however my waist is down 1.375" and my mid section 2" .... Im very happy with the Clen and feel that my workouts have become stronger as im not having to deal with the nauseating effect that the ECA can have on me @ high doses. Clerly i am able to tolerate high doses of Clen wothout any noticeable sides. Dose is up to 240mcg blood pressure 108 / 68 so all good there. I am definitely able to get my heart much higher with less intensity which has been great and has enabled me to turn many weight lifting sessions into cardio.

Strenght has also been great, no loss in strenght lifts all at highs, confident muscle loss is minimal if at all. I am seeing more defenition in arms and shoulders but to be expected the waist is the hardest and last to go but still good progress.. As you can see from yesterdays meal breakdown i have a lot of room to play with when it comes to calories and carbs..

In the next week i will be experimenting by cutting some carbs towards the end of the day and bumping the protein, if i can continue to loose the waist @ 0.75' a week then we are right on track Gonna go check the mailbox for my Anavar

Clenbuterol is a non-steroidal β2 adrenergic agonist with some structural and pharmacological similarities to epinephrine and salbutamol, but its effects are more potent and longer-lasting as a stimulant and thermogenic drug. It causes an increase in aerobic capacity, central nervous system stimulation, and an increase in blood pressure and oxygen transportation. It increases the rate at which fats are metabolized, simultaneously increasing the body's BMR. (taken from Wikipedia)

I would like to chime in a bit, give a little constructive criticism and what not...

First I have to say good job on really wanting to make a change for the good. If you have followed my thread I began as an ultimate fatty and then decided to change. Try losing over 100lbs of flub then bulking up and all the roller coaster ride that bodybuilding can be.

I would like to stress to you that unlike you think, you have not been bodybuilding very long. I read somewhere that you went on a hellacious 16 month spree spanning the beginning of this bulk of yours and now your cut. What you need to understand is that when people say bodybuilding is an endurance race not a sprint, they mean it... What happend to me when I tried to push myself from 175lb MMA middle weight to 190+ lb heavyweight, I will tell you, I broke my back (herniated my l4/l5 disk) however I was so determined to hit my weight goal within a certain amount of time that I pushed the envelope a little to far. All I am trying to say here is take it easy, as stated 16 months isn't jack ****. Jay Cutler, Branch Warren, etc have been doing this sport since they were teenagers and they are still striving for perfection, you will, with no matter how many drugs you throw in the fire, never achieve that result in a matter of 2 years, 4 years, 8 years, etc It takes a very VERY long time.

As stated I don't want to dog you at all, trust me I am the least of people who would have the right to do so, however I am trying to pre-warn you of impending injuries that will knock you so far back on your A$$ that it will be very hard to pick up the ball and start again especially at your age (no offense). Do not expect so much out of the drugs, take it easy, and be SAFE!

I am 4 years into the game now and far from where I want to be. I had back surgery at the age of 21 and groin hernia also age 21. I will not give up on this horse and let that hold me back (I just pulled 315 sumo deadlifts today for 4 sets of 3 on my keto depletion day, bw 209lbs) but be safe, don't over do the drugs, and don't expect a miracle form them either. They will make a tremendous difference but the biggest thing that will get you where you want to be is time.

Train Safe, use wisely
-James

btw, subbed for some billy bad ass results, I wish I had the dough to get me some real juice

I would like to chime in a bit, give a little constructive criticism and what not...

First I have to say good job on really wanting to make a change for the good. If you have followed my thread I began as an ultimate fatty and then decided to change. Try losing over 100lbs of flub then bulking up and all the roller coaster ride that bodybuilding can be.

I would like to stress to you that unlike you think, you have not been bodybuilding very long. I read somewhere that you went on a hellacious 16 month spree spanning the beginning of this bulk of yours and now your cut. What you need to understand is that when people say bodybuilding is an endurance race not a sprint, they mean it... What happend to me when I tried to push myself from 175lb MMA middle weight to 190+ lb heavyweight, I will tell you, I broke my back (herniated my l4/l5 disk) however I was so determined to hit my weight goal within a certain amount of time that I pushed the envelope a little to far. All I am trying to say here is take it easy, as stated 16 months isn't jack ****. Jay Cutler, Branch Warren, etc have been doing this sport since they were teenagers and they are still striving for perfection, you will, with no matter how many drugs you throw in the fire, never achieve that result in a matter of 2 years, 4 years, 8 years, etc It takes a very VERY long time.

As stated I don't want to dog you at all, trust me I am the least of people who would have the right to do so, however I am trying to pre-warn you of impending injuries that will knock you so far back on your A$$ that it will be very hard to pick up the ball and start again especially at your age (no offense). Do not expect so much out of the drugs, take it easy, and be SAFE!

I am 4 years into the game now and far from where I want to be. I had back surgery at the age of 21 and groin hernia also age 21. I will not give up on this horse and let that hold me back (I just pulled 315 sumo deadlifts today for 4 sets of 3 on my keto depletion day, bw 209lbs) but be safe, don't over do the drugs, and don't expect a miracle form them either. They will make a tremendous difference but the biggest thing that will get you where you want to be is time.

Train Safe, use wisely
-James

btw, subbed for some billy bad ass results, I wish I had the dough to get me some real juice