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Yesterday while I was warming up putting, this guy that i had shot a round with before came up to me and said have you seen one of these yet? It was a 167 gram standard champion groove. I said "not yet". He then proceeded to tell me how he was throwing it about 30 feet further than he had ever thrown with other drivers. He was leaving, but he let me throw it once in an open field before he left. I didn't put that much on it and went around 350ft. It seems to go nearly 10% further with the same effort as my wraith. Since it was brand new it seemed very slightly overstable and had an incredible glide. It seemed similar to my boss, but straighter and more glide. I just ordered one online and can't wait to get it. I will post again in a week or so.

Of all of the high speed stuff that has come along...
This one should be a little easier to get to go straight longer for most people
This is based on what I have seen out of my 173g Black Groove just aquired.
Overall I like it.
D.P.