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*** We agree on some things but anything about Garcia, Uniforms, or who is the Greatest Defensive End of All Time we have our differences.

I, for one, don't think Clowney deserves the title of "Greatest" yet. We all have seen how good he is, and we all know that he is going to be the #1 draft pick in the NFL draft barring nothing terrible happening.

Clowney was a 5* recruit coming out of high school. He was never tested. He dominated nearly everyone he played, no matter if he was on offense, special teams, or defense. It was unfair.

Things changed a little when he got to college. Clowney could be handled by some elite tackles but for the most part he was still causing a ruckus in the opposing teams backfield. Clowney has 21 sacks in 2 seasons as a Gamecock, and some (or 1) want to claim him as the "Greatest of All Time".

I certainly don't think he deseves that title. At least not yet. He may end up being that. But right now his stats simply don't match anyone who could possible be considered the greatest. I mean, honestly, Through 2 seasons Terrell Suggs was having just as good of a career at Arizona State.

I'm a big fan of Clowney and everything he has accomplished. He will be a very productive NFL player if he learns to play every play and not take them off and learns better technique. He has the ability and skill set to be as dominating defensive end as any in the history of the game. But, RIGHT NOW, I don't think he is the best of all time.

My response is limited to college not the pro's. The HBC said it well Clowney is up this year for every award a DE could get. Last year he won every award and was 6th in voting for the Heisman. Here are a few more:
1. National and international name recognition.
2. Winning record 22 and 4
3. Every Offense must ajust their game plan
4. 1st Carolina player to win a Espy for all sports
5. 1st #1 national player to sign with Carolina
6. Most talked about Carolina Player ever
7. Most feared player in college football
8. Will be the #1 NFL draft pick
9. The most nominated for football awards in Carolina history
10. Good old Country Boy, who will be remembered in South Carolina Football History

Yes he is the greatest Defensive End of All time by a long shot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My response is limited to college not the pro's. The HBC said it well Clowney is up this year for every award a DE could get. Last year he won every award and was 6th in voting for the Heisman. Here are a few more:
1. National and international name recognition.
2. Winning record 22 and 43. Every Offense must ajust their game plan4. 1st Carolina player to win a Espy for all sports
5. 1st #1 national player to sign with Carolina
6. Most talked about Carolina Player ever
7. Most feared player in college football
8. Will be the #1 NFL draft pick
9. The most nominated for football awards in Carolina history10. Good old Country Boy, who will be remembered in South Carolina Football History

Yes he is the greatest Defensive End of All time by a long shot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

First off: The question though was Greatest Defensive End of All Time at any level...so, there is that.

Second off: ESPY's have no weight in any argument. No offense but ESPY's are voted on by the fans based on shock value. He won an ESPY off 1 hit. A kid with cancer also won an ESPY for his play in a Spring Game. Not trying to downgrade the ESPY's because I love them and support the award show, but an ESPY carries no weight.

Thirdly: Every team does not change their gameplan. LSU certainly didn't they played pretty well against us.

Fourth Off: I guess you ran our of reason and wanted to make 10? Because #10 certainly carries no weight.

I'm pro Clowney but the fact that anyone can say he is the greatest DE of all time right now is absurd. I get it, you want him to be. And he damn near might be by the end of his football career! Just give it time, he's not right now. He's just not. There is no logical reason or stat you can pull up to make your case either.

I'd really like the 5 people who said yes to say something. I know remaining anonymous is an option but that kind of defeats the purpose. I seriously only put that up there for those who wanted to vote but had nothing to say because it had already been said.

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Last edited by Spurticus; 07-26-2013 at 10:08 AM..
Reason: CHILL WITH THE PERSONAL STUFF !!

Another thing, if you say Clowney is the best DE EVER, you're saying he's already better than Bruce Thomas, Reggie White, Derrick Thomas, Dwight Freeney, Michael Strahan, Jevon Kearse, and a host of others.

Clowney is a GREAT GREAT player, but I honestly don't think you can say at this point he is better than any of those guys.

The number 1 DE stat is sacks, so as talented as Clowney is he will not be the greatest until his name shows up in multiple slots on either both of these lists below, or holds more than 3 spots on the NFL list.