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Re: What is Modern Feminism about?

Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker

Umm no.

Just because someone supports gender rights [etc] doesn't mean they MUST encompass another issue that's related to things like sexual orientation or even religion and marriage. Someone is permitted to form views that influence one but at the same time don't believe some other element has the same 'rights' [etc].

Ok. Fair enough. I think rights need a sound foundation to be fought from and people should focus their efforts on human rights, not womans rights, men's rights, trans rights, blacks rights, etc, etc, as it divides the issue needlessly. If your foundation is sound the same rules can be applied to all. If not, well, your application of your beliefs will be problematic.

I think the feminist movement, the lbgt movement, the civil rights movement, and the mens rights movement have a lot of flawed notions on what are rights and as a result I think they will continue to have problems that their ideas create.

Re: What is Modern Feminism about?

I personally think it is not about about equal rights for women but more a movement to bring down men and make women superior to men in the eyes of the law.

It's my impression that the feminist movement is going through an identity crisis right now. However, that identity crisis is due to fact that the sexism feminism is meant to address manifests itself differently for women of different classes, races, sexual orientations and gender identities. Because sexism is different for each group of women (whereas in the past women could unite over things like a universally denied right to vote), rifts have formed between "mainstream feminists" (usually White, upper class, straight, non-trans women) and women who belong to marginalized groups, feminism has started to become irrelevant to a lot of women.

I've also noticed that some (usually young) women think that men and women have achieved full social and economic equality so they reject feminism because they think that equality has already been achieved and that feminism is useless.

The notion that feminism is about "bringing down men" and making women "superior" to men is just a myth. There are some "radical feminists" (they actually call themselves that) who believe this, but I've only ever seen "mainstream" feminists criticize their point of view.

Re: What is Modern Feminism about?

Originally Posted by Henrin

Why would I move? Just be responsible and pay for the services you want. It's ghastly stuff to pay for your own way in life. I hear parents are evil for not paying for the stuff their twenty year old wants. They're evil people I tell ya.

Yeah, yeah, yeah....stop telling how you hate paying for other peoples stuff. Unless you're in the top 10% of taxpayers...then you're not getting wacked for a hell of a lot. Wonder how many of the folks in DP are 10 percenters and above?

When I continuously hear people rant on about "them, they and it raping the nation". It's caused by anger. And way more often than not that anger is caused by their own shortcomings or failures - and in their own minds they become perpetual victims.

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Re: What is Modern Feminism about?

I don't know what modern feminism is all about. I'm not a feminist. I'm equal to men in a lot of ways. I'm not equal to them in some ways. Men and women aren't completely the same.

Every female on debate politics is a feminist even if they don't want to identify with the term [understandable - because of the connotations and other issues].

I have a hard time believing you oppose your right to vote - etc. The basic elements that go into it.

But if it's the social and emotional 'anti-male' and 'anti-family' as well as the 'anti-mother' and 'anti-feminine' elements that bother you, I'm right there with you. I'm a stay at home feminist - apparently that just just peeves people off on both sides of the line. lol

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Re: What is Modern Feminism about?

Every female on debate politics is a feminist even if they don't want to identify with the term [understandable - because of the connotations and other issues].

I have a hard time believing you oppose your right to vote - etc. The basic elements that go into it.

But if it's the social and emotional 'anti-male' and 'anti-family' as well as the 'anti-mother' and 'anti-feminine' elements that bother you, I'm right there with you. I'm a stay at home feminist - apparently that just just peeves people off on both sides of the line. lol

I don't recall saying I oppose my right to vote. In fact, I don't recall saying I oppose my right to anything.

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Re: What is Modern Feminism about?

It would be interesting to recognize that mothers being favored in the courts regarding custody and children's issues is based on tradition in the Western world, not feminism.

And it's worth noting the trend in the courts towards taking father's rights more into consideration regarding those same issues....as they are recognizing the same thing and attempting to rectify things 'despite' feminism and in favor of men. Equality there is recognized goal.

Courts can only interpret various family laws, not make them. If legislatures are changing those laws to lessen the burdens they impose on men, well and good.

You acknowledge that there is an effort to "rectify things . . . in favor of men," and that the goal is equality. But how could this reform be taking place despite feminism, unless feminists favored the existing bias against men? If they were for equality between the sexes, they would support reforming family laws--even if they had played no part in making those laws.