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With all the other Jackman credits on this score, I'm actually sort of surprised not to see his name on "Dragon Warrior is Among Us". There's a passage from about 0:40-1:15 that sounds quite clearly like his style (the snare drums, the little fanfares that sound like Puss in Boots/Wreck-it Ralph...). Is it possible he contributed to that track as well?

So given your updated credits, Hybrid, I am left wondering: what exactly did Henry Jackman do to merit a credit on "Spiritual Tune"? Cause "Peach Tree of Wisdom" has no Jackman credit and is basically the same thing, and the same tune in KFP2 and 3 never has Jackman credit, either.

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Hybrid Soldier

2016-07-11 17:12:54

The 2 suites are HZ, Po & Oogway, those themes are his...

I think Jackman just arranged Oogway for the suite, working on Hans' demo, doing some orchestration.

anon

2016-07-11 21:25:21

does Hans do demos for every cue?

Mike

2016-07-11 22:18:02

^ Question seconded. I've always wondered that too. If I'm not mistaken, there's always some of Hans' music put to the scene before everyone else goes to work, but I'd love to know more.

Anonymous

2016-07-11 22:41:04

"The 2 suites are HZ, Po & Oogway, those themes are his..."

Hybrid, I'm pretty sure the Po Tune is both of them with Powell doing the initial idea. Look at what Zimmer said in a Kung Fu Panda 2 interview:

"The Po tune... John started up with something, he had a tune and I had a bass line (and that became sort of a secondary tune). So John started up with something and then I took it and added the orchestration. But he didn't have a B section and I did. And then the 'Furious Five' tune is pretty much all John."

Hybrid Soldier

2016-07-11 23:34:30

Depends on the projects but usually Hans's themes or suites are temped in the film.

I'll take a case, Nolan's films. They are not temped with "other" music much. On Inception or Interstellar, Hans' big suites are cut down by temp music editors and put in the whole movie, and then Hans & his team get to work on arranging, programming the score, and fill in the gaps. For Inception, Lorne had a big part in that process (Lorne writes so fast that he also ended up writing theme suites based on Hans ideas, he originally wrote tons of suites based on POTC 1 themes for POTC 2 lol).

For Interstellar all the notes are basically Hans, the guys just did some cutting/transitioning/programming.

Now to take the examples of a few cues (not suites), I'll take something like Messages from Home from Interestellar, this is not "suite-related", it's a cue Hans improvised on screen.

The main theme from Rush was also directly written by Hans to picture as a demo. The Moonlight Serenade from POTC 1 was written by Hans to picture, then Geoff orchestrated/arranged it. Same score, Commandeering the Interceptor, Jim Dooley was working on the cue but in the end Hans reworked it a lot himself. Blackbeard's Entrance from POTC 4 was written by Hans and orchestrated by Matthew Margeson.

So, all this to say what ? There's no rule, it depends on the project and how it goes. People might have more freedom on some projects where Hans has a little less interest or time, but he's always there and usually just brings them to what he wants them to do. The thing is he's not a super fast writer like Lorne can be... He can spend a full day or 2 in the studio on a cue with one of his guys (Hans doing night shift, and when he sleeps, the other guy continues the cue, and then Hans returns and rework it & so on) until they are happy with the result. So when you have a deadline to meet and some parts of scores to be rewritten 3 or 4 times, better have some back up ! :P

Anyway, better stop right now, I could discuss this all night...

Mike

2016-07-11 23:40:02

Interesting! I always liked the "Our World" ambient cue from Interstellar, so I assume that, too, was an HZ on-screen improv cue?

Also, you say this: "For Inception, Lorne had a big part in that process (Lorne writes so fast that he also ended up writing theme suites based on Hans ideas, he originally wrote tons of suites based on POTC 1 themes for POTC 2 lol)."

From that, I take it the Robert Fischer and "Kick It" themes were indeed rough ideas from Hans that Lorne then fleshed out?

Hybrid Soldier

2016-07-11 23:41:01

Anonymous, true, but careful with all Hans says, he will also tell you Junkie XL wrote Batman's theme ! ;) lol He will make everything to give the good role to the other guy and not him...

Hans co-writes a lot of themes, was the case on Batman Begins, or Megamind (& pretty much every Lorne score he shares a co-credit with lol).

Powell himself won't consider it much to be his (Furious Five, that's for sure, it's JP, can't be more Powell lol), Hans did the majority.

Mike

2016-07-11 23:47:52

This is all very interesting. Thanks for the info. Really.

Since you brought it up, do you know what specific elements of the Batman theme are Junkie XL? We know the slamming percussion and the three note motif is Hans, but did Zimmer do the main "tune" of the theme as well?

Tuskan

2016-07-12 07:41:41

Thanks for the info hybrid! Do you know what cues he mainly did in kfp2 since there's no suites?

Hybrid Soldier

2016-07-12 08:26:37

The 2 big cues Father & Son / Baby Po and Po Finds The Truth.

And there is a suite in KFP 2, called Skadoosh Suite.

Tuskan

2016-07-12 12:43:05

Interesting. Any idea what skadoosh suite is?

Hybrid Soldier

2016-07-12 13:35:36

Absolutely not !

Tuskan

2016-07-12 15:35:19

Are these KFP very collaborative scores like you mentioned Batman Begins, or more split up evenly?

Like for example, something like Zen Ball Master where you see 3 composers credited (lorne,jp,hz), is it the case that Hans does a bit then John does a bit, Lorne does a bit or is it just left to Lorne to do mostly by himself.

This insight into the process is really cool btw. Thanks again for sharing.

Mike

2016-07-12 17:39:46

"Father and Son / Baby Po" - is that the first minute of Po Finds the Truth?

Hybrid Soldier

2016-07-12 18:57:53

Nope, it's a 5 min cue which is missing...

Mike

2016-07-12 23:31:34

Ah... what scene is it? :P

,,,

2016-07-13 23:00:54

I swear the beginning of shen frees soothsayer sounds like a classic lamenting moody hans piece!

Mike

2016-07-13 23:20:29

I agree... And remember, though, just because Hybrid lists two cues that Hans did most of, that doesn't mean he did nothing else.

Mike

2016-07-13 23:20:29

I agree... And remember, though, just because Hybrid lists two cues that Hans did most of, that doesn't mean he did nothing else.

Thanks. A little less Henry Jackman than before, I see. I'm not saying the following to criticize, cause the end result is what really matters, but is it just me or has Hans' involvement in this franchise become less and less with each installment? In this score, there's a fair amount of cues that Zimmer obviously did a lot of work on. The next score had a lot of Lorne Balfe in it, with Zimmer doing "Po Finds the Truth" and maybe a couple other parts, but his contributions aren't major. And then with the third film, the new themes were written by Imagine Dragons and by Lorne Balfe, and there are only one or 2 moments that sound remotely Zimmerish... Why doesn't he just say he's not really interested in continuing with the series?

Ds

2016-07-05 19:10:03

I guess Hans had more of a "music coordinator" role on KFP3. And I guess even if Hans wanted to be credited that way, Dreamworks would prefer to stick to the "Music by Hans Zimmer" tagline, which sells much better :-)

Mike

2016-07-06 16:59:56

Yeah, I guess the crediting on 3 was a purely monetary idea. If you look in the liner notes, the directors talk about the wonderful score that "Hans and Lorne" wrote for the movie, and the booklet also gives Lorne direct credit for the new Father / Son theme. But I guess the studio is more concerned about catching peoples' attention with the album cover, and maybe a "Music by Hans Zimmer & Lorne Balfe" wouldn't do that as nicely.

I guess we don't really know how much he did on Kung Fu Panda 3, but we do know what he didn't do, too.

Edmund Meinerts

2016-07-09 19:07:12

Ah, so naive, iii. It's cute. Don't worry, we were all that way once. :)

iii

2016-07-10 00:18:27

Are you saying he didn't compose these scores? Think about what you're implying.

Mike

2016-07-10 15:31:12

iii, you must be unfamiliar with how Zimmer scores work when they have Lorne Balfe as a "producer." There are a few examples in his career of this, and "producer" for Lorne in such cases = co-composer.

Edmund Meinerts

2016-07-10 16:24:19

We're not saying he didn't do anything...we're saying he certainly didn't do everything.

Mike

2016-07-10 17:31:55

And I'm, perhaps, adding to it that "not everything" with KFP3 is a bit more so than usual... ;)

Thanks for this. I wish there was a little more clarity about Zimmer and Powell's roles, though, because there are definitely parts of this score that scream out either Powell (e.g. the opening) or Zimmer (Oogway's theme) to me (unlike KFP2, which screams Powell from A to Z), and yet apparently they both worked on every cue. That's probably because of the themes, though, so I guess it can't be helped...

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Hybrid Soldier

2013-05-13 22:35:33

You can't really tell them apart but when Henry wrote on a cue, you can consider it was HZ's responsibily, while the rest was JP... :)

Edmund Meinerts

2013-05-13 22:38:51

Also quite surprised to see just how much Henry Jackman contributed...even in "Spiritual Tune" which is "Oogway Ascends" from the album...I had that one pegged for 100% Zimmer.

Edmund Meinerts

2013-05-13 22:41:05

Thanks, that's a good tip. Explains the Oogway Ascends thing then. :)

Hybrid Soldier

2013-05-13 22:44:53

Just like on KFP 2 when Lorne was in charge of the cue, it's was with Hans, while all the Mounsey / Lewis ones were JP... :)

Edmund Meinerts

2013-05-13 23:03:02

Really? Because two of the Balfe ones are "More Cannons!" and "Zen Ball Master", and both of those sound mostly Powell to me (except the endings in both cases, which sound like Balfe and more specifically Megamind...). But maybe Balfe only did the endings of those and Powell (and Dom Lewis) handled the rest.

I guess it really isn't as simple as "he did this, and he did that", huh.