How is a organization systematically dismantling the U.S social and economic fabric got ANYTHING to do with "nationalistic" behaviour? Are the "neo-cons" nationalistic with the continuation of the open border policies or sending the entire manufacturing base overseas?

Hitler and Mussolini looked after their people. Their economies boomed and in actual fact though Hitler hated the new expressionist art he actually BOOSTED the arts HUGELY during his tenure and new buildings on grand scales were built for the Olympics and in general. Massive infrastructure projects ended unemployment and for the first time every day Germans took paid for holidays and the youth I have seen interviewed talk of the joy in the youth movements.

And remember, this was done in fear of an ACTUAL enemy. The Godless, satanist Communist order just over the border with 5th columnist EVERWHERE and with 30,000 armoured vehicles and Stalins plan for a June 1942 roll over Western Europe to the Channel coast. Now official.

Even Chomsky laughs at the Neo-conservatives being "fascist". They are rightly Stalinist/Trotskyite/Leninist Imperialists who work for a foreign master.

The distinction is importent. You are in the hands of die hard Bolsheviks. Dont laugh!

The exact opposite of a conservative. Neo-conservatives are the Bolsheviks of the Right. Like the Bolsheviks, they appear in restrained groups driven by a simple idology. They seek practical ways to acheive real power in order to make revoloutionary changes. These "practical ways" usually involve creating a misunderstanding over the "revoloutionary changes" to follow.

The first step in the advancement of a Bolshevik movement is the establishement of intellectual respectability. This was acheived by hiring bevies of academic consultants to lay out a marginal idea - that the West could revert to the rough capitalism of the 19th century - as if it were not only an historic nescessity but a natural inevitability. Their determinism literally mimmicked the Marxists. What a few years before had been marginal nonsense was now driven home as received wisdom by right wing newspaper columnists.

The second stage involved a series of coups d'etat within established conservative parties, beginning with those of Britian, the United States and Canada. The movement was then able to enter elections disguised as conservative renewal. They won power with the support of an electorate which would be among the first to suffer from their policies - the middle and lower middle classes.

The third step again mimmicked the Bolsheviks. This was the key to destabilising the opposition - including the now confused and captive conservatives - in order to win re-election. They redefined the political spectrum so that their marginal ideas occupied all of the territory from the extreme right to the center. This left many conservatives redefined as dangerous Liberals (the Wets, moderate Republicans and radical Tories). The Liberals suddenly resembled socialists and the socialists, communists. In other words, the great mainstream which had presided over the remarkable rise of the West was squeezed over to the marginal edge of public debate.

Since the essential characteristics of Neo-Conservatism are revoloutionary, it was perfectly natural for them to begin by disguising their actions behind reassuring phrases. What they believe is that wholesale change in structures is the only way to change society. Continuity, careful progress and memory are their enemy. However, to admit this in the early stages of holding power is to risk losing it. Eventually they felt free to turn on those who rejected their ideas of change and tar them as cowards.

With hindsite it can be seen that the movement was and remains a paradoxiacal mixture of silly abstract ideology andcrude self interest. The Neo-conservative recipe for public action seemed to have been drawn directly from that of Mussolini, which turned on praise of free enterprise, insistence on the need to reduce beauracracy, suggestions that unemployment relief was part of the economic problem, sotto voce hints that social inequalities should be increased not removed, and an aggressive foreign policy.

By the early 1990's they had so successfully redrawn the intellectual map that whenever Liberals returned to power they spent their time mouthing Neo-conservative formulae. At the same time, a growing number of political parties appeared who were openly corporatist or Mussolinian. Thanks to the respectability given their ideology by the Neo-conservatives they could present themselves as moderate conservative reformers. They began to make serious political inroads in Canada, the United States, Germany and, of course, Italy. There, three parties drawn from the Mussolini mould triumphed in the 1994 general elction. No Neo-conservative movements elswhere in the West expressed dispair or concern.

All of this explained why the Neo-conservatives treat cynicism as a sign of wisdom. It is not unreasonable to place them amongst the last true MArxists, since they believe in the inevitability of class warfare, which they are certain they can win by provoking it while they are in power.

John Raulston Saul. The Doubters Companion: A Dictionary Of Aggressive Common Sense. p.220

The Nazi Hydra In America
"The slippery slope to fascism begins when the government puts the interests of corporations ahead of the rights of the people and their interest. Remember only people have rights; paper institutions created by society have no rights; they only have an obligation to serve the public. When they fail at that they have lost the right to exist."
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"The slippery slope to fascism begins when the government puts the interests of corporations ahead of the rights of the people and their interest. Remember only people have rights; paper institutions created by society have no rights; they only have an obligation to serve the public. When they fail at that they have lost the right to exist."

Thats a fair comment JIMBO.

I guess then that we need to review the mainstream view of Adolph and da Nazi's as "fascist". I now prefer "Traditionalist/Nationalist". Or "Tranat" for short.

Adolph had over 30 attempts on his life from 1938 on. With good reason. He actually believed he was working for the good of Germany/Western Europe and his tribe. "True" Fascists (corporate lackeys) fixed that one up.

Like Draco vs. Draconian, Tranat is not “sexy” enough. Perhaps, “Tra-nat-tist”. But it will definitely need some heavy duty “hammering” down peoples “skulls,” the kind the bush regime uses to turn false disinformation (undeservedly) into claimed “truths.”

Besides their obvious differences, I personally don’t (think I) need to know the exact difference between “a dictator, a despot, a fascist, a communist, a “neo-con” corporate-capitalist, or even a Marxist-Leninists,” however intellectually satisfying. While for example, a “neo-conservative corporate-capitalist” might be disguised in a “neo-democracy,” as something good for the well-being of all the world’s inhabitants, in a “true-democracy” this is far, far, far away from the “truth,” as we can all see from today’s mass disgust & repudiation w/ the forced changes of the day. As far as I am concerned, these “systems” are all “evil” & share the same goal – the unfair & forced dominion over the masses, by a wealthy few, accompanied by the punishment, destruction, & even death of those who “dissent” from their forced “ideology.”

“Usury,” & who administers it & controls it, are obviously a large part of the problem w/ our world today, where no one else can prosper, but only those w/ all of the “death-acquired-wealth” inside their vaults, & their corresponding “fraudulent” papers claiming ownership of the worlds lands. When in reality, the world belongs to us all, including the land, the oceans, & their offerings.
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Even Chomsky laughs at the Neo-conservatives being "fascist". They are rightly Stalinist/Trotskyite/Leninist Imperialists who work for a foreign master.

The distinction is importent. You are in the hands of die hard Bolsheviks. Dont laugh!

They are zionists ultra-capitalists. They used to be Bolschevik, but they shedded their communist skin when Russians, Poles and Hungarians turned against them.

Anyway, you're right when you say it is wrong to label the Bush administration as fascist or "nazi". In fact, both fascism and national-socialism (aka nazism) are far less totalitarian than the NWO wants us to believe.

David Myatt on national-socialism :

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National-Socialism believes there are two fundamental ways of living, and thus two fundamental types of society based upon these two ways. There is the material way of living, with individuals striving for, or pursuing, "happiness", material comfort and wealth. Then there is the way of excellence, of idealism (or nobility) with individuals striving for an idealistic goal. National-Socialism believes the material way is decadent - a waste of our lives, a waste of the evolutionary potential which we possess.

Furthermore, National-Socialism believes that the life of an individual is better, more fulfilling, if the idealistic goal that is pursued is in accord with the will of Nature. That is, if this idealistic goal aids Nature, and continues the evolutionary work of Nature. This stems from the National-Socialist assertion that we, as human beings, are part of Nature, and subject to the laws of Nature. All other philosophies, political beliefs or religions assert that we, as human beings, are somehow "above", different or separate from, Nature and her laws.

One of the fundamental aims of National-Socialism is to continue the work of Nature by creating better, more advanced, individuals and by creating a better, more advanced, more civilized society for these individuals to live and flourish in. National-Socialism believes that better individuals can only be created through the pursuit of noble values - by individuals changing themselves for the better through a personal act of will. This requires individuals, and society itself, to champion and uphold those values which create personal excellence, which aid the individual change necessary. According to National-Socialism, these values are honour, loyalty and duty - for only these values create the right type of idealistic person, someone with a purity of purpose. It is these values, and these values alone, which create a civilized individual. A civilized person is a more evolved individual - someone with a higher, a noble, personal character. Further, it is the duty of each noble individual to act in accord with the workings, the will, of Nature herself.

According to National-Socialism, the folk - or "race" - is how Nature works. For National-Socialism, the folk is Nature made manifest; the folk is our connection to Nature. The different folks which exist among our human species are an expression of evolution in action - of Nature working over Aeons to produce diversity and difference. Thus, the folk is an expression of our very humanity - of our human identity.

Accordingly, National-Socialism desires to preserve and further evolve, in an honourable way, the folk itself. All other philosophies, political beliefs or religions desire to destroy the folk through creating multi-racial, multi-cultural societies.

However, it needs to be stressed that National-Socialism - being based upon honour - demands that all National-Socialists treat all people, of whatever race and culture, with respect. To do otherwise, is contrary to the ethics of National-Socialism, based as these ethics are upon honour.

For National-Socialism, the fundamental meaning of our lives, as individuals, is to strive to continue the work of Nature. This means striving to advance ourselves through upholding, in our own lives, the civilized values of honour, loyalty and duty; it means us doing our noble and civilized duty by striving to preserve and further evolve our own folk or race, and those things which make our own people unique. These unique things are the ethos, the soul, the character, the culture, of our folk. According to National-Socialism, the ethos, the character of our human species is expressed by honour, curiosity, exploration - these things express the true nature of we human beings. Furthermore, National-Socialism believes that it is the ultimate Destiny of our human species to settle among the stars of our galaxy - to create a Galactic Empire or Federation.

In contrast to the inspiring, the noble, the Galactic - the numinous - goals of National-Socialism, the goals of all other philosophies, political beliefs or religions are mundane, materialistic and a complete waste of our lives.