Nizzy wrote:I kind of like the idea of Tocchet with some good veteran assistance coaches. I would prefer a veteran head coach with a lot of experience, but I know those are rare. I just think we need a coach with attitude, no more buddy-buddy. No more practice cancelled. No more mustashe boy/playing hangman in practice.

Nizzy wrote:I kind of like the idea of Tocchet with some good veteran assistance coaches. I would prefer a veteran head coach with a lot of experience, but I know those are rare. I just think we need a coach with attitude, no more buddy-buddy. No more practice cancelled. No more mustashe boy/playing hangman in practice.

So someone like Theirren, who lost this hockey team back in 2009?

Not to defend Nizzy, but "this team" is a LOT difference than the team from 2009.

Nizzy wrote:I kind of like the idea of Tocchet with some good veteran assistance coaches. I would prefer a veteran head coach with a lot of experience, but I know those are rare. I just think we need a coach with attitude, no more buddy-buddy. No more practice cancelled. No more mustashe boy/playing hangman in practice.

So someone like Theirren, who lost this hockey team back in 2009?

Not to defend Nizzy, but "this team" is a LOT difference than the team from 2009.

At the top? I dont' think. You have stars now that have egos (which will happen with almost any star) that you have to balance with steering a tight responsible ship.

I think if you get a "no-nonsense" type of guy in here, you are going to lose guys like Geno, Neal and even to a lesser extent Sid.

I think they need a no nonsense kind of guy...just not one that wants 5 guys between the circles keeping shots away. Its still an offensive team. It just needs to shift the focus back to working instead of playing.

Maybe because those guys don't have the egos some of our players have. They are also older and probably more mature. And they also haven't made it out of the second round of the playoffs since we beat them for the Cup.

That's fine. I'm not saying they suck or anything. I'm just kind of confused as to why some people on this board romanticize their success and their coach. Particularly this year, where they will barely make the playoffs despite moving to a weaker conference, and getting a TON of points from overtime/shootout losses. Sure, they seem to have it together now, but they've been bad to mediocre for most of the year.

Agree with Froggy. Detroit has a very good system and coach, and players. Obviously their success reflects that. I just don't understand why their system is praised so much and the Pens are shot down and **** on when long term, both franchises have had similar success.

Froggy wrote:You mean 7th place Detroit who have actually lost more games than they've won and are in the playoffs because of the loser point? Yeah. There's a model I want to follow

Not that bad of a model. No real superstars and a ton of key injuries. Their top scorer only has 48. The team has 22 straight years in the playoffs (probably), just sayin.

Pens have made it 18 of those 22 years and have 3 cups to the Wings 4. I think that is pretty damn good.

And speaking of key injuries, have you seen what the Pens have gone through over the last 4 years, especially this year.

I was just pointing out that the model Detroit uses isn't awful. Not sure which model is better, but both are pretty successful.

I'm not sure their model is that much different that ours. Different on ice system when Crosby and Malkin are in the lineup based upon their strengths, but remove them and I think Dan and Mike think the game pretty similarly. Detroit has had better scouting and drafting. Overall, I think the Pens strive to resemble the Wings organization's operations, and I think it's been very successful for both clubs.