“The readiness of the political right in particular to lie and peddle obvious untruths, to place their party politics and party unity over and above the national interest, has been going on for a long time,” he said.

This part very-definitely applies to U.S. politics as well.

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“The greatest way to live with honor in this world is to be what we pretend to be.”

The way the vote has been reported makes it look bad. But it's really a question of whether animal rights legislation belongs in the Brexit bill or elsewhere. Here's what Tory MP Zac Goldsmith tweeted, and other MPs have been quick to issue similar statements via Twitter or other media.

The way the vote has been reported makes it look bad. But it's really a question of whether animal rights legislation belongs in the Brexit bill or elsewhere. Here's what Tory MP Zac Goldsmith tweeted, and other MPs have been quick to issue similar statements via Twitter or other media.

“So when the facts change, I think people are entitled to change their mind.”

Blair was referring to the slogan on the Vote Leave battlebus, which said the UK sent £350m per week to the EU which could be spent on the NHS instead. The claim was widely dismissed as untrue because the figure took no account of the budget rebate, money never sent to the EU in the first place, or the cash returned in the form of EU spending in the UK.

The blowing up is proceeding just as you envisaged. As long as you imagined it blowing up with the force of two or three wet fireworks, and the speed of British train on a day with ice and leaves on the rails, and the sharp political negotiating skills of ... no, no one could have imagined the farce that is the present Conservative government.

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Originally Posted by erimir

Optimal not-totally-unrealistic fantasy scenario:

-market crash + onerous terms of exit scares the bejeesus out of them
-new election is called, Conservatives + UKIP fucked up so much that Labour wins (helped partly by Conservative/UKIP chaos and vote splitting)
-election of new gov't is seen as a referendum on the referendum
-UK looks foolish, but decides to stay

- not enough to scare the core voters, just like nothing Trump has done has put off his core support
- so nearly
- yup
- UK looks foolish? And how. Decides to stay? It could still end up that way, possibly de facto, leaving in name only but still keeping all the rules and costs.