Bilbo's conversation with Smaug, and how they will deal with invisibility

Can't Post

So, i recently found this gif: http://i.imgur.com/lIwMNWd.gif

And from that, does anyone think they will let Bilbo hide under the gold in order to become invisible/hide from Smaug, rather than using the ring?

I always wondered how they were going to deal with the invisibility in this scene. Using the ring works fine in the book, but it could cause some problems when you want to translate it into the movie, considering wearing the ring changes the visuals into the spirit world(?).

... isn't that much of a problem because it is not as dark and shady as it is by the time of FotR.

They would have had to film it like this and put on the effect later.

Or Bilbo only wears it for a part of the conversation and for one reason or the other takes it off / it flipps off at some point.

This seems to be after the conversation when Smaug is kind of freaking out... so maybe Bilbo realized that it might be easier for him to move without the ring and it does not make much of a difference anymore, since Smaug is already breathing is fire around like crazy. ___

“A dragon is no idle fancy. Whatever may be his origins, in fact or invention, the dragon in legend is a potent creation of men’s imagination, richer in significance than his barrow is in gold.” J.R.R. Tolkien

Words of wisdom that should be remembered - both by critics, purists and anyone in between.

But it had to be hard for MF to run like that on a pile of gold in those feet! It's possible that the invisibility will just be passed over...I seem to recall Sam should have been invisible in the scene where he climbs the tower to save Frodo...but isn't--and it worked fine.

...would not be nice. We wouldn't be able to see Bilbo at all then. And carrying on a conversation while being buried under a pile of gold would not really feasible, even for a Hobbit, I think.

They did manage the whole invisibility thing quite nicely for the scenes with Gollum, I think. With some well-placed cuts back and forth between Bilbo in invisibility mode and what Smaug sees, it should be fine without having to change the whole scene by not having Bilbo wear the ring and hide instead.

The scene where Bilbo jumps out from under the pile looks more like a later scene, where Smaug is already riled up. Maybe Bilbo gets accidentally buried as Smaug moves about. And that red glare looks a lot like there is a bit of fire-breathing involved...

There's not much point in having a ring that renders one invisible if it is not going to be used
[In reply to]

Can't Post

I don't think that there is any question that the Ring will be used pretty much as in the book. 'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring

I think that is one of the reasons why they made the effect much less extreme compared to LotR. Although this can be kind of logically explained with the growing power of the Ring, I am sure they simply had to do it for the Hobbit, since Bilbo wears it much longer than Frodo in more important scenes in which he has to see what is going on "out there". ___

“A dragon is no idle fancy. Whatever may be his origins, in fact or invention, the dragon in legend is a potent creation of men’s imagination, richer in significance than his barrow is in gold.” J.R.R. Tolkien

Words of wisdom that should be remembered - both by critics, purists and anyone in between.

Bilbo was invisible during part of the Riddles in the Dark scene. He was shown as a wiggly distortion that dislodged rocks and in other ways manifested his presence. I expect they'll do the same in the scenes with Smaug and other occasions for using the Ring.

I think the shadow world of the ring is going to be too big a distraction, to make any sense within the context of events in the book. I realize this isn't the book but it should at least feel like the books events IMO. They have probably leave out most of his conversation with Smaug,since many of the events he discusses with him probably have been or will be altered in the upcoming films.. Bilbo was never mentioned to be the lucky number in AUJ, from all we have seen Bilbo will be in open barrel as well as the dwarfs, so there goes out barrel rider. "He who buries his friends, and drowns them, and draws them alive again from the water" well since from what we seen, again, the dwarfs are in open barrels, so Bilbo doesn't bury them, then the barrels are open so he doesn't drown them because Bilbo knows their fate and they were never under water, the whole conversation with Smaug will likely end up being changed witch is truly sad since I think the dialogue and scenario of Bilbo and Smaug, Tolkien wrote is perfect.

From Smaugs perspective a voice and 100% invisible From Bilbos perspective shadowy From an omniscient perspective show him visible once its established he is invisible Take this Brother May it Serve you Well Vote for Pedro!