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Anyone know if Sirius Moving The Chains archives the show?

Yesterday Pat and Jim Miller had Bob Wylie on and he was given the job of dissecting the Giants and the Steelers O-Line woes for the past few days. The segment was his report on his task. I heard 50% of the Giants discussion and it was lengthy and excellent. I missed the rest though because my damn cell rang.

If anyone knows of any way to listen to the show again I would appreciate it. I checked my Sirius web player and it is not available.

What he did say was that Beatty and Boothe are finesse players and did a terrible job with their technique last Sunday. He did say that what he saw out of those two was correctable stuff. He mentioned that he thought Pugh was their best lineman last weekend but that ain't saying much. There was much more in depth talk I would like to hear again. I missed all talk of the two guys I thought were the worst last week in Snee and Baas. Wylie thought Beatty was the worst performer Sunday.

also said that he doesn't feel Beatty can really hang 1 on 1 with the game's premier pass rushers. I found this interesting because i thought he did a good job on d. ware opening night. I thought Beatty was a lot better than he has shown since then though. Then again, it's hard since the whole line has really sucked and the tight end blocking has also been a serious area of concern, in addition to hyno being a shell of himself coming off his injury. I never thought I'd say this, but I can't wait until Diehl is ready to come back. Maybe he can be slid in at LG instead of Boothe?

With a franchise QB in his prime is nuts. I know we were cap strapped but guys like Eric Winston were there for the taking and we didn't even bring them in for a look. We will be lucky if Eli survives the season.

jlukes : 9:40 am
Bob Wylie, former NFL offensive line coach, was a guest with Pat Kirwan yesterday and they broke down the Giants offensive line. Some notes:

- Pugh has been solid. When Kirwan saw him at the Senior Bowl he though Pugh would be a fantastic guard. Wylie said he has been great at RT. Always in the right positing and plays correct technique

- Boothe is a finesse player. No punch.

- Beatty is a finesse player. No punch. Has played with awful technique this season. He flips his left hip open and turns his body perpendicular to the line of scrimmage way too early. This takes away all of his leverage and it prevents an adequate pocket from being set up. It also allows the defender to either set the edge or get around the edge with ease.

- Baas's injuries have hurt with his mental preparation.

- Snee has been brutal. Constantly gives his defender a free run at the B gap (between him and Pugh). Huge reason why the offensive line is struggling.

Pointed out that 10 of the 11 sacks he looked at were physical and technical breakdowns, not a failure of the protection scheme. He said it's not like Pat Flaherty forgot how to coach, but they're making mistakes like there isn't enough time in meetings or practice to go over basic stuff.

A specific praise of Pugh was "he gets where he needs to be when he needs to be there".

He said "You've got a first (rounder), 3 seconds and a 6. They should be playing better than this".

When PK asked what they can do to address the issue, BW emphasized changing Eli's launch point with some slides, half rolls, etc, essentially saying if you're going to run every pass play so Eli's on the mid-line, the defensive front can really tee-off.

The only issue I have here is that I'd like for somebody to call MTC and ask PK how they only got to Eli 20 times last year if the LT is that much of a liability.

And it's funny because Kirwan specifically addressed this. He wants all the kids he scouts to do well bu he try's to call it as he sees it.

There is no more idiotic term than "hater" it's become a catch all reply to try and diminish opinions that people don't like. God forbid a critique is given.

Beatty is a mid tier LOT. The Giants line is thin, older, and injury prone the last few years. Reese had to resign Beatty. Up against the cap they didn't have money to go after the few UFAs and they know what he can and can't do. On a solid line he's fine. On a shit line he's incapable of holding his own

No starting LOT getting paid what he's paid with his experience should ever look the way he did last week. If he continues that track the Giants are screwed. He's on the team for probably the 2014 and 15 years. Keys pray he bounces back but last year was his 1st full year. There's lots of the on him now. Teams will know how to play him. We will see.

I just joined Big Blue Interactive. Looks like a great site! This is my first comment.

I am very interested to see how this team responds to the shellacking they took last week. I think that will tell us a lot about this team. Even if they lose, if they are competitive for most of the game, but just get beat by a team that is currently better that them, it will give me hope.

Isn't it amazing that in week 4 we are all anxious for Diehl to come back? I think that says it all! I am anxious to see how this OL responds after last week, against a very good defense. It should tell us a lot about the OL. I am hoping they aren't REALLY as bad as they played last week. We'll soon see...

As Rob_Mtl points out above, Beatty, while certainly not a power player, generally played very well last year. Reese, whom I also trust, believes in Beatty so much that he gave him the big $$ extension.

Beatty was awful vs. Carolina, there is no debate (though I believe the holding call was ticky-tack and should not have been flagged).

So I am not sure why Kirwan is so negative about Beatty. If Pat Flaherty is good with him as the LT, and one would hope Reese asked his opinion before the big $$ contract, then I'l l have to assume the Giants know what they are doing here.

Choices in the draft
nh_giants : 1:42 pm : link
I think its not so much that Reese doesn't draft offensive linemen. The bigger problem is that so few have turned out to be good selections.

I think the Giants should figure out who is the best in the NFL at drafting OL and hire the scouts responsible away from those teams! Evidently that is a weak link the Giants draft room.

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