Riot Police Get On Their Knees To Beg For Forgiveness For Taking Part In Ukraine Crackdownhttp://www.businessinsider.com/riot-police-on-knees-in-lviv-2014-2/comments
en-usWed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 -0500Tue, 03 Mar 2015 15:52:10 -0500Michael B Kelleyhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/530fbfd2ecad040406dc2a24bldigrrnThu, 27 Feb 2014 17:44:34 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530fbfd2ecad040406dc2a24
You are wrong about Russians not being taught that the US is evil. Maybe you are too young to remember the Cold War, maybe not. But you are mistaken.
Saying "most Americans are brainwashed" is ridiculous because the diversity and continuum of opinion in this country is wider and more differentiated than any other country on Earth. There are few things in existence that apply to the statement, "Most Americans think..."
If people were geographically and legally able to move to the US or Russia, we wouldn't even be having a discussion about how many people come to Russia compared to the US.
As far as being semi-slaves, that's a different conversation. But as far as freedom in one's "daily routine", I refer you again to the notion of diversity of opinion. Russians' freedom is greatly reduced by things you aren't considering, such as the level of generally expected corruption in business, and the rule of law. I'm not suggesting our politics aren't corrupt, but nobody really thinks of Obama as a "mob boss", and I've forgotten how many times I've heard that term used about Putin (see for example the comments of Gary Kasparov). Did you happen to watch 60 Minutes recently, about the businessman's lawyer who was killed in a jail cell after being held for a year without any charges whatsoever. Not a suspected terrorist-- a lawyer. Jailed and killed by a Colonel in the KGB (whatever it's called now) and approved from a government minister after a wholesale theft of an entire corporation.
Whatever, I really don't care to debate this topic. Good luck to you.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530f97656bb3f714744a1be3SHThu, 27 Feb 2014 14:52:05 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530f97656bb3f714744a1be3
The topic is outdated but I feel obliged to answer.
Sorry, I use to answer several people in several topics simultaneously so I'm not sure my answer was meant for you, I might have mixed topics or people. In any case I don't remember what exactly I was referring to concerning rusophobia.
As for the rest - believe me there were no cartoons in Russia presenting the US as evil. Children were out of politics, at least under approximately 13-14 when brainwashing was starting too, but not many took that propaganda seriously, rather the opposite, in early 90s Russians very much believed that Americans are just like us and our friends - till IMF guided privatisation and US agression against Yugoslavia. So, what impresses me is how effective that propaganda was since most Americans are that brainwashed till now in that regard. Maybe communists should have followed American example and started brainwashing people from 3 years old...
Third, if Russia is a horrible place why people from all of surrounding countries are banging our dors to try to come here? Do you know that Russia is top number one or maybe two regarding number of immigrants? We are quite a comparable (per capita) center of World immigration as the US, if not surpass you. If you consider this as an evidence of success, freedom or whatever...
Fourth, you are a semi-slave in the US, I can bet you are supressed much more in your daily life than any of Russians. We can have less visibiity of political choice (if cjoosing from either left or right hand of US big corporations is considered a real choice), but in a daily routine we are much free than Europeans and Americans. We can copmare if you wish, it could be interesting.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530e69b469beddf727049ccfOrangeFeverWed, 26 Feb 2014 17:24:52 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530e69b469beddf727049ccf
The rebuttal to " Ukrainian police did a bad thing" cant be " WELL US POLICE DID TOO". We have to have enough maturity to point out there there is social evil in every country and pointing out it must suck to live in Russia where you can get beat down for protesting must be ok since you may also get a beat down in the UK for doing the same is juvenile. Its not a constant this VERSUS that debate. We need to hold everyone accountable. Does the RELATIVE individual freedom to pursue ones rights have LESS of a beatdown effect in the states, yes. Does the relative freedom of pursuing ones lack of religion suck less in mother russia, yes. See, we need to start identifying that this is a political class vs regular class issue. Not Russia vs USA.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530e4f9fecad045a5b042c85mos ion roataWed, 26 Feb 2014 15:33:35 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530e4f9fecad045a5b042c85
Not human nature - but EDUCATION and maybe some greed and surely Atheism. All together mean a distance form truth. That kills the human personality.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530e48c5ecad04b13d042c8abldigrrnWed, 26 Feb 2014 15:04:21 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530e48c5ecad04b13d042c8a
Some background on "atrocities" at Guantanamo.
<a href="http://www.cracked.com/article_20941_the-5-most-unexpected-things-about-life-at-guantanamo-bay.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" >http://www.cracked.com/article_20941_the-5-most-unexpected-things-about-life-at-guantanamo-bay.html</a>http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530e4752eab8ea4b5f042c83bldigrrnWed, 26 Feb 2014 14:58:10 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530e4752eab8ea4b5f042c83
Read much?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530e46cd6bb3f7cf7cbbff5dbldigrrnWed, 26 Feb 2014 14:55:57 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530e46cd6bb3f7cf7cbbff5d
Couple things.
First, I'm not sure how you got "Rusophobia" from my comment about Ukranian riot police deserving punishment for attempting to destroy their own protesting citizens.
Second, the Spider-man cartoon was probably from the Cold War, when both sides believed the other was intent on global annihilation.
Third, if the US is such a horrible place, why is the rest of the world banging down our doors to try to come live here?
Fourth, I'd rather be a semi-slave in the US than a citizen of Russia, which is moving straight backward from where it was going in the 80's and 90's.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530e0a136da811e563e3956cWhat?Wed, 26 Feb 2014 10:36:51 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530e0a136da811e563e3956c
No, you are the absolutely clueless one here numbnuts. The OP is spot on and absolutely right!
And SH: the fact that you have to reduce anyone you disagree with to a "Neo-Nazi" completely destroys your credibility. Then again, you are just one of Putin's paid trolls and all of your posts are so ignorant that its laughable. You really are a clown.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530d93916bb3f7d270777d1fasdfvfsdWed, 26 Feb 2014 02:11:13 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530d93916bb3f7d270777d1f
This has to be one of the most ignorant things I have ever read in my life.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530d894e6da811a018777d15bldigrrnWed, 26 Feb 2014 01:27:26 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530d894e6da811a018777d15
Yes, agreed. We want to believe people are generally good at heart. But if you do take a random sample, you're probably not going to get very good results. How many people have you run into who are genuinely good, selfless, caring people? Someone who, say, would refund your money if you made a deal and they failed to hold up their end? Those are the people who would resist an order to inflict injury on someone else. Most people are not like that. Even "go along to get along" types would take up the baton if so ordered. Human nature, unfortunately.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530d825169bedd7a0c777d1dMilutin Milutinović MudolijaWed, 26 Feb 2014 00:57:37 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530d825169bedd7a0c777d1d
Yeah, right, they did this of their own volition. As if. So are we to find this public humiliation of people -- similar to attrocities committed against abducted people in Guantanamo -- funny or what?
Mind you, those who fought these policemen are these Nazi guys: <a href="http://distilleryimage10.ak.instagram.com/d7d167149dfd11e3b01f12266a69463e_8.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" >http://distilleryimage10.ak.instagram.com/d7d167149dfd11e3b01f12266a69463e_8.jpg</a>
And why is it OK when L'vov declares independence from Yanukovych Kiev, but not when Sevastopol declares independence from Nazi Kiev today?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530d6dea6bb3f7fc1d777d15BelindaTue, 25 Feb 2014 23:30:34 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530d6dea6bb3f7fc1d777d15
I absolutly agree the way they treated the protestors were brutal and cruel, and they should be punished for their actions. However, I'm just wondering if you take a random sample of people and put them in the same positions as these "riot police", if their actions wouldn't have been similar. I know very little of human psychology, but I have heard of both the Stanford Prison and the Milgram Experiment, where otherwise regular people carried out brutal and cruel actions. I'm not condoning the behavior of these men, but I'm just offering up for consideration the idea that it may not be so easy for a person to remove themselves from groupthink mentality. I think it takes a mentally strong and independent person to break away from and oppose a group that he normally associates with, which I think the average population in any country is not.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530d1ce969bedd8d0f777d19haywoodmatthewsTue, 25 Feb 2014 17:44:57 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530d1ce969bedd8d0f777d19
Wow.. if only our congress would do this... hahahah... yea right.... they are still fighting the bad fight.
They need to close the vote in the house and the Senate so congress doesn't have to answer to... wait for it.... hell not the voters... the lobbyists as they are who congressmen answer to now.
I give these Ukrainian riot police all the credit as people understand that it you don't do as you are told you are "relocated" like those dogs in Sochie that we will never see again.
All I can say is if Putin think Obama won't get in his face and send troops in there, he's nuts. Putin pushes Obama, Obama is pushing back.
I'll pick up a gun to fight Putin, a thief who stole from his people to host an Olympic games site, and just ripped off Robert Kraft's Super Bowl ring like a common thief.
He needs his ass kicked. The people of the Ukraine have tasted freedom... they are not going back.
Hell 1/2 of the Russian army may defect once they taste freedom too.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530cee1069bedd9e3c9ef560a personTue, 25 Feb 2014 14:25:04 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530cee1069bedd9e3c9ef560
"I've been at the mercy of men who were just following orders...never again" -magnetohttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/530cebe9eab8ea6c639ef55bLucius ModernusTue, 25 Feb 2014 14:15:53 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530cebe9eab8ea6c639ef55b
how about US police officers? i like this...http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530ce600ecad04860c69e8cabldigrrnTue, 25 Feb 2014 13:50:40 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530ce600ecad04860c69e8ca
Nice gesture. It should definitely get them a year or two off their life sentences for crimes against humanity. "I was just following orders" didn't cut it in Nuremburg, and it doesn't cut it today.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530cdd0e6bb3f7a34369e8ceok, soo........Tue, 25 Feb 2014 13:12:30 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530cdd0e6bb3f7a34369e8ce
Nice try.
Here we have a right winger who, just after O drew the "red line" (not O's words) on Ukraine, went raving about "another red line -- that won't work at all, there will be tanks invading by this time tomorrow".....none of which happened. And blissful quiet was had, as the right wing temporarily shuddup. Could it last? NOOOOOOO, some right winger just HAS TO BS again about "red line".http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530cdab06da811c424fadc53Arch AngelTue, 25 Feb 2014 13:02:24 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530cdab06da811c424fadc53
Of course the cowards are sorry now. Bullies get what they deserve!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530cd1dc6bb3f7c51969e8ceTheFree_LanceTue, 25 Feb 2014 12:24:44 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530cd1dc6bb3f7c51969e8ce
Some of you don't get the big picture. Yes, the previous regime was not kittens and rainbows, but legitimate upset with that govt was hijacked by dedicated cadre of what can only be called neo-Nazis. Gee, where have we seen that script before? Better organized, more ruthless elements of popular dissent against a repressive regime seize power -- and proceed to be even more ruthless and repressive? Egypt, Libya ring a bell? Same deal in Syria with the "opposition" except Assad is strong enough to hold them off so long as the West does not call in air strikes.
And furor over that has the neo-cons thinking it is a good idea to try to yank a vital naval base from a nuclear power with a long history of suspicion and insecurity. Yeah, this is gonna end well.
BTW, I think Bitcoin imploded because Russian hackers decided it was time to cash out of the Ponzi scheme and get into something real before the SHTF.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530cc2c469bedd501c7aab0bBrooksTue, 25 Feb 2014 11:20:20 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530cc2c469bedd501c7aab0b
Must be due to Obama's "Red Line." We KNOW those are effective...http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530cbe67eab8ea67372de3f1Huh?Tue, 25 Feb 2014 11:01:43 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530cbe67eab8ea67372de3f1
Do you what you are talking about? You sound absolutely clueless, dude.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530cb71becad04546a69e8cagazooksTue, 25 Feb 2014 10:30:35 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530cb71becad04546a69e8ca
I give these men respect. That act takes a lot of balls to face the crowds and ask for their forgiveness. They could have just as easily been hung by an angry mob as forgiven.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530cad8c69bedd6a4f7aab06power to the peopleTue, 25 Feb 2014 09:49:48 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530cad8c69bedd6a4f7aab06
"Riot police"??? More like russian paid thugs! These guys are Putin's personal goon squad and they are traitors to Ukraine who fired upon, beat and murdered their own people! They should be rounded up, tried and imprisoned for acts of terror against the people of the Ukraine. As Thomas Jefferson famously said "the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants". Well, the patriots have already made the ultimate sacrifice in Kyev Square with their blood. Now its the tyrants turn to bleed!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530c9eaa6bb3f71c6d69e8d2abTue, 25 Feb 2014 08:46:18 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530c9eaa6bb3f71c6d69e8d2
Looks like these Ukranian police have a lot more scruples than NYPD:
Recent cases:
1. NYPD cops hit parked car, then look around for cameras, find none, then arrest guy claiming he hit their car. Luckily for him they missed a camera that shows it: <a href="http://nypost.com/2014/02/21/cops-hit-my-car-then-arrested-me-to-cover-it-up-suit/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" >http://nypost.com/2014/02/21/cops-hit-my-car-then-arrested-me-to-cover-it-up-suit/</a>
2. Not NYPD, but NJPD (close enough): Cops beat a guy who did nothing wrong and then arrest him; Prosecutor charges him with all sorts of crimes. Internal Affairs clears cops. Luckily the 3 police dashcams did not get lost and show the truth: <a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2566315/WATCH-Cops-charged-falsifying-evidence-dash-cam-proves-man-did-wrong-traffic-stop.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" >http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2566315/WATCH-Cops-charged-falsifying-evidence-dash-cam-proves-man-did-wrong-traffic-stop.html</a>
Maybe we can get these Ukranian cops to come over to the US -- they seem to actually have a consioushttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/530c9aaf6bb3f70e6369e8caMPTue, 25 Feb 2014 08:29:19 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530c9aaf6bb3f70e6369e8ca
Most of the time Police and the Army do not remember who they are protecting and serving and it isn't just one man it is a nation. When an uprising nation comes together and you are on the other side of the fence, you should have enough common sense that you are on the wrong side.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530c8f376da8115562fadc54TheFree_LanceTue, 25 Feb 2014 07:40:23 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530c8f376da8115562fadc54
They know that right-wing fanatics have vowed executions in the streets. Another foreign policy triumph for the neo-cons.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530c8bd76da811d44ffadc50patrick kTue, 25 Feb 2014 07:25:59 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530c8bd76da811d44ffadc50
Brilliant move by the men on their knees.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530c8b46eab8ea717e2de3f1Vladimir IvanovTue, 25 Feb 2014 07:23:34 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/530c8b46eab8ea717e2de3f1
Rebels harvest them that they would kill them and their families if they do not humiliate. In YouTube now many videos about rebels attack police (sometimes with guns), who could not participate in the events even. For example, the rebels attacking the traffic police. Today, the rebels attacked the house of the president of the administrator and rebels wounded him with a gun. It is not clear how will the country's security, if the police don't work.