Gortizjr

Gortizjr

alexander5245 wrote:So you're saying that I, as a libertarian, SHOULD vote, and I SHOULD vote for someone I dislike.

Why should someone vote if he doesn't want to? Why should he vote for someone he opposes? It makes no sense.

There's only two reasons to vote: to affect the outcome, or to express your preference. Unless my candidate wins by exactly one vote (which ain't gonna happen), my vote has not affected the outcome. So I choose to express my preference.

This is the worst kind of logic there is. The purpose of voting is to make your voice heard as a collective whole, which is made up of individuals. The reason politicians ignore the wants/needs/preferences of large groups is because they fail to collectively make their voice heard by voting. This is why politicians cater to senior citizens, unions, etc.

Therefore, if you want your 3rd party to be taken seriously you should not only vote, but you should convince as many people in your party to vote as well.

45chel

gusvonpooch wrote:Is that because Woot tees are fun and no one equates fun with republicans?

That was my thought.
I know great people from all 4 parties (5 if you count the Cthulhu supporters) but those great people don't run the GOP and aren't guiding the narrative.

I love woot.shirts. Love, love, love.
*However* if you support a particular party, you should be giving the money to them, in the form of a donation., rather than buying a shirt here.

Besides, it's actually dangerous to show political support for that donkey in my area. People will actually break your windows, aggressively confront you, key your car; I'll stick to purples this month.

ChronoSquall14

There is no end to other political party shirts if you're dying for other choices. Pizza Party (Pepperoni/Sausage 2012!) or Smuggler Party (Solo/Reynolds "Always Shoot First") or what have you are always out there.

tkpenn

On the other hand, the user may be a really, really old southerner who abandoned the democratic party during the civil rights movement.

Funny. Look at the vote totals of the Civil Rights Act. A higher percentage of Republicans voted for it than did Democrats. People always assume the Dems are the party of Civil Rights and that the Republicans try to hold people down. Turns out facrs disprove this ludicrous notion.

sjt2115

tkpenn wrote:Funny. Look at the vote totals of the Civil Rights Act. A higher percentage of Republicans voted for it than did Democrats. People always assume the Dems are the party of Civil Rights and that the Republicans try to hold people down. Turns out facrs disprove this ludicrous notion.

And you'll notice that most of those Dems who voted against it switched and are now Republicans and their former districts and states are now deep red, and vice versa. All those Dixiecrats traded in their donkey buttons for elephant pins. Same old "states rights" rhetoric, new team labels, which is where we get the modern GOP.

LBJ was wrong when he said "We have lost the South for a generation" as a result of him (a Dem) pushing for and signing the act. Turns out it was multiple generations.

xdavex

The election is over, the votes have been cast.
The choice of the people is now known at last.
So let by-gones be by-gones and all hard feelings pass.
I'll hug your elephant if you'll just kiss my...donkey.

sjt2115

Both shirts are great. Despite myself I like the elephant better, but it also helps that baby elephants are naturally cute.

To everyone decrying the state of politics: the curse of democracy is that you get the government you deserve.

Don't want to vote? Fine. Don't. Nothing says you have to. Your vote probably won't make a difference overall. Your time may be better spent making cookies or writing a sonnet. But know that you've ceded your voice in how your country is run, and not just at the top. National, state, county, city, local, judges, school board, initiatives: all of these things effect your life and will continue to effect your life.

Not a partisan? Split your ticket however you like.

Like a 3rd party? By all means, vote for them and get all your friends to do so too. This can be especially effective at lower levels, where there are plenty of 3rd party elected officials.

Politics is a messy, imperfect affair but its important and you can have a say if you demand it.

geekjutsu

45chel wrote:Besides, it's actually dangerous to show political support for that donkey in my area. People will actually break your windows, aggressively confront you, key your car; I'll stick to purples this month.

This right here.
I live in Maryland (blue state) but in a very red county.
I am sure my girlfriend would think the donkey shirt is cute but it wouldn't be worth the harassment.

Reclaimer456

bassanimation wrote:Awesome, had to pick one of these up. ^_^ Might as well go into the hellish election season wearing something cute!

Some states have laws prohibiting campaigning at polling places (I know California does) so I'd suggest not wearing anything remotely political to a polling place. I've never seen or heard of anyone being stopped because of it, but you don't want to antagonize the people manning the polls.

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