Question for Megyn Kelly: Is it “hateful” to stand for the freedom of speech?

Megyn Kelly attacked Donald Trump Wednesday night for his statements criticizing the free speech event in Garland, Texas in May 2015, of which I was co-organizer and co-sponsor with Pamela Geller, and one of the speakers. Trump was wrong, no doubt, and Kelly correctly explains why.

But in the course of doing so, she says that “Pam [sic] Geller…no question is a hateful person.” Why? Apparently because “she’s a provocateur and she’s not a fan of anyone who’s Muslim from the sound of what she says.” That puts her on par, as far as Kelly is concerned, with Westboro Baptist Church, which Kelly describes as “as hateful as they come. But for years I defended them on the air because they have the right to show up at these funerals. It’s horrible, but they do – and say the hateful, vile things they say.”

The Westboro Baptist Church shows up at military funerals with signs such as “Soldiers Die God Laughs” and “Pray For More Dead Soldiers.” Other signs include “God Hates Fags,” “God Hates You” and “You’re Going to Hell.” Hateful and vile is right. But on what grounds does Kelly put Pamela Geller in the same category? Because “she’s a provocateur and she’s not a fan of anyone who’s Muslim”? Even if that were true, how is it remotely comparable to the cruelty, contempt and schadenfreude of the Westboro Baptist Church? In reality, Kelly’s claims aren’t remotely true: Pamela Geller’s work has been devoted entirely to defending the freedom of speech, the freedom of conscience, the equality of rights of all people before the law, and individual rights. She has stood for people the “human rights” establishment steadfastly overlooks: apostates from Islam, Muslim girls in danger of honor killing for refusing to wear the hijab, and many others. The only reason why Kelly thinks she is “hateful” is because the Leftist establishment that Kelly is courting so assiduously thinks that she is. What qualifies her as a “provocateur”? In January 2015, Islamic jihadis murdered the Charlie Hebdo cartoonists because they drew Muhammad. In the face of that, free people have two choices: draw Muhammad or submit to this violent intimidation. Pamela Geller and I chose the former; for this, Kelly says she is “hateful” and a “provocateur.”

Clearly, despite her words in defense of the freedom of speech, Kelly still doesn’t understand that freedom, and doesn’t realize what was happening or what was at stake in the Charlie Hebdo massacre and at Garland. What she characterizes as “hateful” is precisely the defense of the freedom of speech that she says is justified. She says, “This is America. We’re allowed to draw whatever we want.” Yet because of what Geller chose to draw, even though her point wasn’t about drawing Muhammad at all but about defending the freedom of speech and standing up against violent intimidation, Kelly says she is “hateful” and a “provocateur.” One may say that Kelly is simply defending Geller’s freedom of speech while disapproving of how she did it, in line with the old adage “I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.” That certainly applies to the Westboro Baptist Church: one may defend their freedom of speech while disapproving of messages such as “Pray For More Dead Soldiers.” But that doesn’t apply here. Kelly isn’t just disagreeing with what Geller says; she is contradicting herself by simultaneously defending and excoriating Geller for the same action. For Kelly, drawing Muhammad makes one a hateful provocateur, and drawing Muhammad also makes one a defender of the freedom of speech. She doesn’t realize that she has already internalized the stigma upon this activity that Islamic jihadists and supremacists have placed upon it by their threats. She is already halfway to Sharia compliance.

You know, on the, you know, like the flag burning, it’s – we did a segment on it, just one segment. It’s a no-brainer. The Supreme Court has been very clear on this. The First Amendment – Donald Trump and the First Amendment – it’s not a beautiful match. It’s not a match made in heaven, you know, between the free speech rights that he has not defended and the freedom of the press which he has not defended. It’s problematic. And, I mean, I called him out on this back before he even declared his candidacy because he was going after Pam Geller, who there’s no question is a hateful person, who held this Draw Muhammad contest down in Texas. Remember this? And they got attacked by two terrorists. Now she’s a provocateur and she’s not a fan of anyone who’s Muslim from the sound of what she says, but this is America and she has the right to say those things. And she has the right to have a contest like that. And he was one of the ones out there arguing she invited her own attempted murder.

Now, that’s just nonsense. This is America. We’re allowed to draw whatever we want. And if you’re offended, what the Supreme Court has said the answer to speech you do not like is not less speech, it’s more speech. There are many people in the country who don’t get that. I mean, like, the Westboro Baptist Church is another example – as hateful as they come. But for years I defended them on the air because they have the right to show up at these funerals. It’s horrible, but they do – and say the hateful, vile things they say. Now there can be time, place and manner restrictions, but you can’t shut down the speech altogether. I don’t know that Donald Trump fully appreciates that or cares. I think he is truly a populist. And if the popular thing to do is to say you have to ban flag burning, even if it ultimately means we’re compromising a core principle of who we are as a republic, I don’t think he really thinks that that deeply into it.

In hitting President-elect Trump and supposedly defending the freedom of speech, Megyn Kelly on NPR Wednesday night referred to “Pam [sic] Geller, who there’s no question is a hateful person, who held this Draw Muhammad contest down in Texas.”

Kelly said this in the context of defending the freedom of speech: “Now she’s a provocateur and she’s not a fan of anyone who’s Muslim from the sound of what she says, but this is America and she has the right to say those things. And she has the right to have a contest like that.” But in smearing me as “hateful,” she demonstrates that she doesn’t really know what was at stake when Islamic jihadis attacked our free speech event in Garland.

Why am I hateful for standing for the First Amendment? Is she copying the tactics of Islamic propagandists, smearing as “hateful” those of us who refuse to submit to the most brutal and extreme ideology on the face of the earth?

And I’m a “provocateur”? Why? The Garland attack was part of a longstanding jihad war against the freedom of speech. Those who say I provoked the jihadis don’t remember, or care to remember, that as jihadis were killing the Muhammad cartoonists in Paris, their accomplice was murdering Jews in a nearby kosher supermarket. Were the Jews “hateful”? Did they “provoke” the jihadis?

I held the event in the same venue where Muslim leaders held a conference in support of the sharia, in support of the ideology behind the Charlie Hebdo jihad massacre. Was that provocative? Should we submit to the devout Muslims who use violence to impose the speech laws under the sharia?

Drawing Muhammad offends Islamic jihadists? So does being Jewish, as many anti-Semitic attacks have proven. How much accommodation of any kind should we give to murderous savagery? To kowtow to violent intimidation will only encourage more of it.

Geller nailed it. Islam is an ideology, not a religion. They may try to make a religion out of it, but it is no different than fascism or communism.. They don’t believe in God, only Allah, who is what, a purveyor or hate and brutality?

It’s been said [and correctly so] that the violent jihadist cuts off your head while the moderate Muslim holds your feet. The ignorant fools like Kelly are just as dangerous in the long run as the Violent Jihadists in their quest for world dominance, without the Kellys this Fascist Political Ideology would-Not be growing by leaps and bounds in America, since the year 2000 I’ve been warning people about this dangerous, highly political Fascist Ideology, if you want to see how much inroads Islam has made into the fabric of this country just compare the year 2000 to present day, even a Muslim president, at least two congressmen, not to mention the many pro-Islam sympathizers such as Paul Ryan, and the “Interfaith Movement” made up of various denominations of professing Christians are banded together to further the cause of Islam in America, it’s my understanding they are placing Muslims from the M.E in every state but not helping the Christians in those countries who are being persecuted by Muslims in the countries they’re taking the Muslims from, some no doubt are and were persecuting those Christians back in their home countries. want to talk about “Strong Delusion” that Yahweh warned about sending? this has to be it, the only reason I can think of that someone professing to be a Christian would fellowship with Anti-Christ people.

Megan Kelley should have too much expected of her. After all. she has devolved from a decent commenter on current events to an egotistical pundit (certainly NOT a journalist) in the MSM. FoxNews is NOT where she belongs but rather on a fake news show like CNN (Clinton News Network). She has NO credibility, no critical thinking skills, and no class. What she has is a nice looking presentation physically, but it is just a veneer attempting to hide the cheap hustle she uses for a “following,” Her primary goal it seems is playing to the left and selling her book which is tanking…majorly!.

Lucia: In my opinion she just did a good job of hiding who she really is, how anyone especially women can support a Fascist Ideology that enslaves women is beyond my understanding and it’s not as if they don’t have proof, they have almost 1400 years of history to judge by, even Islamists present day actions alone against women should be enough proof without all those centuries as a guide.

Remember when Diane Sawyer went to Afghanistan and spoke in whispers about the terrible plight of women under the rule of the taliban and she wore a burka, headgear, whole nine yards of ugly cloth to keep from being beaten by any man walking by?

All of that has been forgotten and maybe not attributed at all to islam at the time, but only to the *taliban* which, of course, means *student* student of islam.

Megyn Kelly is a beautiful woman, no question about that. But being beautiful doesn’t make one smart. I thought the smirking way in which she went after Mr. Trump in the first so-called debate showed her to be ignorant of the facts. Donald Trump was speaking about Rosie O’Donnell who had repeatedly attacked him, his intelligence, even his hair on that so called show, the witch coven, “The View.” I do not think she is worth the money she is paid by FOX and in fact, I believe her audience has fallen dramatically since her participation in tarring and feathering Mr. Trump. I don’t watch her anymore and I have no reason to believe that others do not feel the same.

Even though her book has reached best seller status, I read all of the negative reviews on Amazon before they were removed, which shows that the designation “Best Seller” must be rigged in favor of Amazon favorites, of which she is surely one since her comments against Mr. Trump.

At the beginning of the nomination process, which seems ten years ago, she showed a picture of herself, to whom she refers as “Yours truly” apparently not being sure whether she should say me or I, (It would be a picture of “Me,” Megyn,” and certainly not “Yours truly,” as if one were signing a letter. In any case the picture showed her aboard what she said was Donald Trump’s yacht, a very young Megyn Kelly, and one wonders what she was doing on Mr. Trump’s yacht and was she an invited guest or a stowaway? Was she ejected from the yacht and has that left a bitter taste in her mouth all these years? Was she an invited guest whom Mr. Trump did not praise for her beauty or indicate more than a casual interest in her? Why does she hold what is obviously some kind of grudge against Mr. Trump?

Her comments about Ms. Gellar are sort of self-explanatory as Ms. Gellar is also a beautiful woman and perhaps there is not room for two beautiful women in Dodge in Ms. Kelly’s estimation.

If it has not yet become obvious, I am no fan of Megyn Kelly; She should do her homework about Islam, and not rely on her looks. Intelligence is a permanent quality. Beauty isn’t/

I hope Ms. Kelly is reading this because I would like her to know that not all of us who have read the literature held sacred by Muslims are “Hateful” and, in fact, that remark itself is “Hateful” because it indicates she is making statements without any basis in fact.

I greatly admire Ms. Gellar and Mr. Spencer for their courage. I admire them for being brave enough to present the truth to the public, or that part of the public which is capable of understanding the truth about Islam and it’s plans for all of us.

I do not watch her show anymore either. Once, however, a few years back she had Uncle Dougie (Ibrahim Hooper of CAIR) on her show. I have to say she did a fab job of putting that creep in his place. He kept arguing with her and she told him to get lost, that it her show. I think it’s on Youtube.

poor Megan Kelly, she got “spanked” by Donald Trump in the debates and now she is has gone over to the dark side! Name calling , ( HATER ETC) by her, is the realm of the intellectually DESTITUTE!

Pointing out the intolerance of islam by demonstrating muslim reaction to the “draw muahmmed “contest is the correct path to expose the evils of islam.
Megan Kelly is implying that muslims are not guilty if they kill because they feel offended!

We were numerous times if the woman in our crew, Sarrah, was for sale, how much it costs to buy a wife in America, and even in Turkey, how she had the brains to do her tasks on the boat, without a man to not only tell her what to do, but stand there to make sure she did it.

And don’t think it’s just the backwoods peasants who think like that.

I met the richest man in Turkey, barbecuing several times on his family’s yachts because the four of them were anchored beside me for several months, and grilled me for a good half hour on how Sarrah knew what to do on the boat.

I said, “She has her job and she does it.”

“Yes,” he said, “But with the captain not around, who makes sure she works?”

“She does,” I said.

“No. I mean who tells her what to do?”

“The captain gave her a chore list and she works at it.”

“Yes, but who makes sure she does?”

“She does.”

“But how do you make her?”

“I don’t. I got my stuff to do. She’s got hers.”

“And she does it without you, telling her.”

“Well. Yeah.”

But who makes her then?”

It didn’t matter HOW I tried to explain it, he just COULDN’T

GRASP

THE CONCEPT

That a woman has enough brains to be able to do her job without a man standing over her.

Go to a Muslim country Megan, with no man at your side, no body guards, and no entourage, and just start walking around where ever you feel like.

And you’ll find out quick enough, Pam Geller and Robert Spencer are 100% correct.

Thanks for not really explaining why a woman can do her job without use of force on your trip. It is the primary thing that is missing from the religion of peace. It is ultimately her best protection and the best defense of your own culture.

I remember an article written by an American general about his interaction with the top officials of the region. The top officials–secular men–were aghast that the General worked 12-14 hour days and interacted with his troops on a day to day basis. The General could not get them to understand that he was working for his soldiers and the troops were working for the rest of us back home.

When a culture bases its religion, economy and judicial system on living off the fruits of another’s labor and vilifying the people who provide the living, then you have a culture that consumes everything in its path and must constantly migrate to usurp another region’s resources…….

I’ve traveled throughout the middle east and other Islamic countries… and yes my friend you are ABSOLUTELY correct. Megan Kelley should go and live there for……. I’d say a month without a man, bodyguards and entourage. Let’s she if she lasts a week.

Megyn Kelly is being a provocateur, thus making her hateful. The target of her hate, here as opposed to piously violent Muslims, don’t seek to chop her head off. She is thus some sort of lazy Sunday hater, free to continue to roam the land unmolested.

Like most people, I don’t think Megyn Kelly understands what is happening in the koran. The writers of the koran eliminated detailed accounts in the bible of attacks against against deranged people who were walking on by when babies are killed. This history should not be eliminated. When it is thrown out, the story gets to be about killing those who dont get along with your fabrication instead of being about how powerful murdered babies are with God. They throw out all the quotes of Jesus. They say vile exaggerations about Jews. They use vague testimony as evidence they can attack the beliefs of Christians. They give themselves the right to kill those wise enough to reject this scheme.Then they created a fable involving Moses which encouraged muslims to kill their own children if they dont go along with all this perverted behavior. All of this corruption in the koran only serves to make the biblical strategy in Isaiah 52.7 justified. There, the return of Jesus is associated with a forerunner who proclaims to Zion that their God reigns. Without this corruption in the koran, a statement like that wouldn’t be valid.

kelly was, at one brief moment in time, fairly good at her job. She kept getting more and more attention and her husband wrote a book which she promoted on air, and after that…stupid took over.

The fact is, moslims kill anyone they choose to because they choose to; not because that person *hates* them or has done something on purpose to *offend.*

According to kelly’s own words, she is a *hateful* person as she shows contempt for all not bowing to her beauty and smarts as a *former lawyer* and agreeing with her on every subject.
She might have studied law and passed the bar someplace, but she does not understand the freedom of speech as much as she thinks she does. And she doesn’t understand islam and moslims at all. She needs to get a dictionary, a script from one or more of the trials won by David Yerushalmi, and some of Mr. Spencer’s books and a few of Raymond Ibrahim’s and Daniel Greenfield’s articles. And watch some of Jamie Glazov’s videos…and David Wood’s
If she did those things and read and tried to *think*, she just might gain some insight.

However, I believe, from personally listening to her program over the years, that she is too arrogant to do any of those things. I had to stop listening to her.

If she had him on, she would interrupt and talk over, acting the *authority* on the subject. if she allowed Mr. Spencer to talk, explain and answer questions, that would be something. Either way, those who know Mr. Spencer would listen to the program.

I have limited knowledge of American telly programs, being from the UK.

But I think your comment is universal.. Ultimately, it’s a question of bravery and guts. Who will have the courage to say what needs to be said ? Who will have the courage to follow truth, no matter where it takes them ? Damn few. This Kelly woman is just another one who has been found wanting.

I have watched some of the BBC programs over time. There is some difference in the news telling, and of course, there is a difference in the way Americans think from the way others who speak English think. And some of the language…is hard to follow…spoken so differently. 😉

But people are people. if a person is afraid of losing face, losing a job, being ridiculed, they will not stand up for the truth, whatever the subject. It’s partly a group think thing.
Like those experiments where all, except one, in a room are told to ignore a fire, or give the wrong answers to a question, and one person who is not privy to the program wonders what in the heck is going on, but will sit through the smoke and go along with the wrong answer just to keep from standing out from the crowd.
Ever watch any old American western television over there? You can get some of them on the internet. Many show just how the cowardice thing is so important in that most people seem to lack a real backbone. Their backbone comes from a mob and they go along with it, with whomever has the loudest voice.

moslims are very vocal, as are their supporters. But, most of them even need the crowd, the mob, to show willingness to speak up or act. Sneaky yes, and bold when weakness in others is apparent. But they run away when shown strength of character.
kelly and those like her, lack that strength.

Well, Champ, I have to disagree with you there. Perhaps as a UK resident, I don’t have the knowledge to comment in this case, but, when I compare her with similar pundits in my own country, I really don’t think ”ignorance” is the motivating factor.

I think it’s just cowardice, coupled with a fear of being named as a ‘racist bigot’ etc. They ( people such as her) might be marginalised, become ‘unpopular’, et al. They really don’t have the chops to stick with what they (probably) know is truth, in the face of the howling mob shrieking all the names under the sun. Plus, and this is most likely *most* important, they don’t have the guts to go withj the truth unless an until, they see that is the *popular* way to go. They make me vomit, all of them.

Ms. Kelly belongs on MSNBC. She will end up there eventually after spending a stint at CNN. She is an uncorked leftist elitist. She tried to defeat Trump and failed. She will try again.

I loved that part in the debate where she acted like a lawyer and tried to cross examine Trump on the Trump University issue. She took the plaintiffs allegations in that case as established facts and then repeated them to Trump in a prosecutorial manner. She looked incredibly amateurish and silly.

Whatever confidence I had in her evaporated after that display. She is just another DNC Media hack without principles, the next propaganda artist of the left. The most I can say is that she is a little easier on the eyes that Nancy Pelosi.

Hardly possible. The viewers of Fox LOVE her. Her ratings are great and they like how she was a spunky woman who raised a serious issue with Trump. Her book, but the way, has been #1 for weeks. She will be on the number one cable channel with a show on prime time for as long as she wants. She even destroyed the FNC head this year and sent him packing! Where have you been?

Watching an uncorked leftist elitist erupt and develop is what I have been doing. My point that she will go to CNN or NSNBC has nothing to do with her popularity on Fox. It has everything to do with her political allegiances and how she can most openly put them to work. The CNN and MSNBC platforms are tailor made for her. She will go there by choice, not by default.

I agree that Kelly is unfairly characterizing Geller. However, Kelly and Trump, frankly, are only expressing their own freedom of speech in expressing dislike for and questioning the approach taken by the Draw Muhammad contest. Just like expressing dislike for and questioning the approach taken by those who burn the American flag as protest. No real difference. If she were calling for the ban on drawing the character Muhammad or even implying that it would be a good idea, then there’d be a problem. Just like Trump’s expressed desire to make it illegal and a crime to burn the American flag.

In my opinion, those who call for a banning or restriction on those who would draw the Muhammad character are exactly the same as those who call for a banning or restriction on those who burn the American flag. And those who disapprove of the drawing of the Muhammad character but affirm that it is an inalienable right are in the same place as those who disapprove of burning an American flag in protest but affirm that it is an inalienable right. You can draw what is evil and burn what is good both in the name of free speech.

I somewhat agree, but if someone would rip a flag or burn it, such as one belonging to a resident or public institution, it should be destruction of property and as such not viewed as free speech (riots etc.)…some how flames which are dangerous do not equal speech. or words. Pamela’s art exhibit which which inflamed jihadists, was an event that saw the risk and prepared. My only concern was her safety. Pamela ‘s speech was factual, as her posters and any research would show that to be true,, the hate was coming from the people who did not want to be exposed, not from Pamela. But to say Pamela is hateful, is incorrect in my opinion.

Interesting perspective Mr. McKellar. Both sides exercising their First Amendment rights, but one side trying to deny those rights to the other side. And Ms. Kelly has a law degree. Was she absent during the period where the First Amendment was studied?

Megan Kelly has been for a while now, showing her liberal streak more and more despite being on a somewhat conservative news network.

Worse, she is exhibiting the common trait among talking heads of hypocrisy. She used to have a defector from ISIS on her shows who said the same things as Geller did in an attempt to warn the American people. So then why is Geller hateful and her defector guest not when they championed the same message with referencing the same sources – Quran and Hadith?

Further on Jay T’s comment. This ISIS defector one night read a portion of the Koran, straight from the book and Kelly asked him if he were reading from an ISIS training manual. When told he was reading from the Koran, she had no further comment.

It now seems most likely that my Father was a serial killer.
And so at this time I pledge my support to Hillary Clinton.
And then forthwith I shall seek to join the Dirlewanger SS Penal Division.
Because any one of its men would be better than my old man.
I may or may not make further comments as I wander in and out of sanity.
Thank you Robert for your help.
Regards
Twerzig

The problem with the main stream media, this includes many commentators at Fox, is that they don’t know enough about Islamic supremacism to know what they they don’t know. Radical Islam is a superfluous redundancy, peaceful Islam is an oxymoronic statement. They hide their ignorance under the “secular veil/burka” of political correctness.

It should be required for all politicians, and media to know the subject matter. Quite often they do not, which is really stunning when it comes to government leaders, media, and national security. And the ones who do know are silenced like the HLS agents who had intelligence scrubbed, or removed. What words were scrubbed were all the identifiers of terrorism that relate to a doctrine hiding as a relgion which is very clever.

With Roger Ailes gone, Rupert Murdoch’s two sons, both leftist, have taken over operations of Fox News. O’Reilly said heel retire this year our next, so expect changed at Fox.

The Murdoch sons have already said they intend to make Kelly the replacement Flagship for Fox News when O’Reilly retires. Lame.

I’d much rather they elevate Hannity, and I’m starting to be really impressed with Tucker Carlson too. Every night he has flaming assholes on as guests, and fistfights them with words and class. Always impressive to watch.

I am non white and I do not know about Pamella Geller nor Robert Spencer before I started to try and find out more about what is happening in this world with Islam. I have heard from others that Pamella Geller and Robert Spencer are racist and a lot of other not so nice remarks. However after listening to what they have to say and their debates – I have come to the conclusion that they are our champions fighting for the survival of our humanity. So for those who want to start saying derogatory things about them please start reading the Quran and what they are saying and please use a bit of common sense if it exist. Also see what they are actually doing in the name of their god and how they are justifying it all over the world and regardless of whatever sect of Islam they are all united in the terror that they are doing in this world.

”I am non white and I do not know about Pamella Geller nor Robert Spencer before I started to try and find out more about what is happening in this world with Islam. I have heard from others that Pamella Geller and Robert Spencer are racist and a lot of other not so nice remarks. However after listening to what they have to say and their debates – I have come to the conclusion that they are our champions fighting for the survival of our humanity.”

Well done, you. You evidently are a rara avis; someone who is prepared to look at the **evidence** before you judge. I think, if you look through the archives, of both Jihad Watch, and Pamela Geller’s site, you will not find **one single article** that is in any way racist. Most people who comment on this site are exactly the same,( I mean, not racist) apart from the occasional troll. Stick around; you’ll find much that is instructional, as well as the occasional article that makes you laugh out loud !

Opponents of the truth use the term *racist* to stop the conversation…as it stops the conversation by those who are afraid of being thought of as racist.
If one knows they are not, and knows they have truth on their side, the term rolls off like olive oil on a frying egg.

The only time I ever agreed with leftist terrorist Bill Ayres is when he said this about Kelly : “I had never even seen Megyn Kelly. She struck me as a very strange person,” Ayers told Salon. “She’s like a cyborg constructed in the basement of Fox News. She’s very striking, but very metallic, very cold. Her eyes are very cold.”

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