I don't want the UK in political union, just reasonably agreed and mutually beneficial trade agreements.
That is certainly achievable in time, some challenges on the way of course, but certainly achievable.

Industry & Business wants to sell to the UK, and business will ultimately force the hand of their relevant national governments.

We don't need any union with any country, just mutually beneficial trade deals.

We need our politicians to start talking up the U.K and stop unnecessary fear mongering, Those out protesting against the referendum decision are
protesting Democracy in action, but that's to be expected when they know no other way.

Forget the single market, we'll negotiate with all European countries separately if we need to. However, we can also make our own trade deal with
India, which the E.U doesn't have despite 9 years of negotiation.

a reply to: thinline
I think nobody is talking about it simply because the option doesn't exist until other countries do begin leaving the EU.
I've idly considered the possibility, but that's as much as anyone can do at this stage.

So at a time when Scotland wants to leave, quite a few people in Ireland are running to get their RoI passport and our political establishment is in
chaos you seem to think that just adding France to our little union of nations would help.

No, just no....

Why would any state want to leave the EU only to join up into another EU type organisation by joining the UK?

Thinline, I appreciate the sentiment you are expressing here, but there is one major factor which points toward a glaring problem with your idea of a
new Union.

Before a couple wed, they are under an obligation to get themselves straightened out, so that their union to their chosen spouse will be harmonious,
so that they can offer the best of themselves, and be the best they can be, as a matter of respect to their partner.

In the same way, nations entering into a union of nations have a responsibility to one another, to sort out their infrastructural issues, their
fundamental problems, BEFORE joining such a thing. In this country, we would need to remove most of the parties and power players from positions of
control and influence, before we started moving in any such direction, and frankly, we are no where near able to deal with the internal issues we have
at the moment, and until we have, we shouldn't even be thinking about it. I would like to see fifty years of stability and progress here, before we
even think about that sort of thing, personally. Fifty years under a people powered government, with no business ties, no backers but the taxpayer,
and no one to answer too other than the will of the people themselves, not small groups within the mass.

originally posted by: thinline
Doom and gloom is what most of the establishment had been predicting for the UK.

Have you noticed what isn't mentioned is that other countries leave the EU and they join the UK in a more favorable Union.

It's like the establishment does not want to put that idea in the heads of populous.

If you control your boarders and we control our boarders then we can have free movement within our new zone.

Don't star and flag this post, we don't want this idea of over throwing the elites to spread

It may just come to this very conclusion, the EEC was by and large a very productive and beneficial institution though I know that the fishing
industry would definitely disagree and there was the whole scandal of the food mountains when the EEC overproduced in bumper years.

The EU though was a travesty, it began with great promise but was quickly circumvented to serve the vested interests not of/for the people of the EU
but of the Troika whose own interest was the abolition of all state benefit systems within the EU, all workers right's (note how the french leader has
just undemocratically forced through so called reform's without a parliamentary vote) and the reducing of wages to create a wage slave class whom
would be dominant within there new superstate, in other word's they are trying to force us to become a second America in which the Elite rule all
thing's and the people are kept down with false hope that they can achieve anything while in reality that which they could achieve is kept both
tantalizingly close but always beyond there reach.

In other word's the whole project is a Con Job being ran by a group of Crooked bankers and there puppet masters the Bilderbergers.

But back to your point, a reformed DEMOCRATIC EU would be a good thing again but need's border control on it's exterior borders and a much more
stringant entry criteria for ANY member state looking to enter the CLUB.

Now here are some pre brexit headlines that suggest that card may very well be on the Table but only if we can settle the current economic
instability caused by non european international investors and probably the Troika intending to make an example of the UK. www.express.co.uk...www.theparliamentmagazine.eu...
A smaller Nordic Block already exists within the EU and is actually very successful. www.norden.org...

Of course opinion's are opinion's but being a middle aged guy I hear so many younger view point's that are based on virtually no real world
experience and which I therefore know have little or no real value on this matter (in the time honored way to saying "they don't have a clue but are a
me, me, me generation even worse than the baby boomers of the 50's and 60's whom are getting the blame for this now), these kid's have no idea WHAT
opportunity's the EU has stolen from them, they have no idea of the industry's or the commonwealth family and it's many international opportunity's of
which they HAVE been deprived by EU mandate's and import regulation's which stymied the commonwealth trade link's or that we CAN actually get them
back but now (with some elbow grease and a cool calculating head) we really do need a democratically elected moderate socialist government, there
could now be no worse disaster than for the Tory's to be re-elected or for labour to get an appeasement right wing leader again like Blurt et al.

But what is done is done and any attempt to dismiss the vote will lead to counter court action's and a very strong and angry electorate rebellion.

The EU is a doomed project, look at what the Troika have done to the people of Spain, to the people of Greece and how they are wanting the cheap
labour in by allowing corrupt and faulty country's to join there little puppet block simply so that they can exploit the low paid citizen's of those
nation's, the porous external borders were actually in there benefit but definitely not the benefit of the people of the Old EU.

Lastly this whole debaccle can be pinned squarely at the door of the banking crisis, we should have let the bank's failed and then the EU could have
done what it was meant to do, club together for mutual self interest but instead it has brought in Austerity measures to pay for the Bankers
criminality and now they are owned by those same Bankers, the EU smell's like a rotting corpse because that is what it is make no mistake and future
exit's are a certainty not a possibility even if the Troika have there way of making an example out of us.

I agree that the UK has a problem with it's kind of Democracy which lack's proportional representation and still cling's to some feudal law's with
it's house of lord's for example but of course the House of lord's has actually done just as much good as harm over the year's, they curbed labour too
many time's for my liking but they also curbed the Tory's plenty of time's as well and prevented the excess of government going too far (but they can
only do so for a single term in most cases) by rejecting policy's they found to be too draconian one way or the other.

As for the UK outside of Europe though, we are still in a position to negotiate our Brexit deal and there WILL be one no matter what the other head's
of state claim as to refuse would harm there own economy's and the like's of spain, france, portugal etc need access to OUR fishing ground's.

So we may recieve concession's regardless of there current rhetoric and Australia has already ASKED the uk for a post Brexit free trade deal (Which
we had before the EEC got out of hand) and so that mean's that the UK will potentially become a very lucrative loophole nation for France as well with
trade by passing the EU Import/Export law's.

It will not be quick but it will be very lucrative for those that make use of such a trade route and suddenly it will also make much more economic
sense as well, this is long range extra EU trade that will benefit and of course our link to China via Hong Kong also stand's an excellant chance of
revival so our position is too lucrative to ignore.

However I do seriously doubt this potential new trade window will actually benefit the average person on the street of the UK though there will be
job's that will come back as we start to rebuild after the current economic turmoil.

According to an MSN article a Berlin Senator is trying to get British business to move to Germany, offering them help and even writing to them
personally, particularly start up enterprises.

Look's very much as if Germany is dead set on destroying Brexit Britain by any mean's available, after all the EU has been turned into the fourth
reich following the reunification of Germany and they do not want to let go of that power they have gained for themselves. www.msn.com...
&ocid=spartandhp
Sorry I can not figure out how to display long url's correctly in the comment's so just use the quote function and copy and past the address into
your address bar to read it.

I don't want the UK in political union, just reasonably agreed and mutually beneficial trade agreements.
That is certainly achievable in time, some challenges on the way of course, but certainly achievable.

Industry & Business wants to sell to the UK, and business will ultimately force the hand of their relevant national governments.

I agree that the UK has a problem with it's kind of Democracy which lack's proportional representation and still cling's to some feudal law's with
it's house of lord's for example but of course the House of lord's has actually done just as much good as harm over the year's, they curbed labour too
many time's for my liking but they also curbed the Tory's plenty of time's as well and prevented the excess of government going too far (but they can
only do so for a single term in most cases) by rejecting policy's they found to be too draconian one way or the other.

I wasn't quite referring to the House of Lords. I happen to think that it is a good idea to have a part of the parliament that is not elected so that
it doesn't have to bend to political pressure from voters (or else they would risk losing their job) and instead take a more neutral stance of what is
best for the country as a whole.

The House of Lords largely appears to be more in tune with sentiment among the electorate than the House of Commons.

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