When it comes to rape how the woman dress does matter. That's why women should only wear dresses and skirts! A woman can run faster with her skirt pulled up than a man can with his pants around his ankles!

It must be "Arrogant, Self-Absorbed biatches Handing Out Unsolicited Advice to People They Consider Their Inferiors Day" today.

Usually, it's the Republican party handing out more arrogant, unsolicited advice before 9 AM than most people do all day. They must be saving it up for the big finale tonight.

Newt Gingrich will give advice about the sanctity of marriage. Then that Akin guy will discuss female reproduction. Then Ryan, a government employee for most of his working life, will tell us all about how government doesn't work and we need to vote for him so he can prove it. Then Mitt will wind up by telling all the poor people to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and work really hard to find someplace to live better than a cardboard box in a vacant lot. Because something just isn't as satisfying unless you work for it, as opposed to having it handed to you by your rich dad who used to be a governor and CEO.

It does not place blame on the victims. It is common sense. Certain modes of dress dress do suggest, rightly or wrongly, certain things about the wearer. That could be gang membership, being a slut, employment by a Wall St firm, whatever. It's just the way humans think.

NutznGum:WhippingBoy: Women should be able to dress how they want, just as I should be able to leave a wallet full of cash in plain sight in my unlocked car in the bad part of town.

Real World != Ideal World

Yes, because sensibly dressed women never get raped.

Yes, because criminals prefer to break into the locked car with the visible wallet over the unlocked car with the visible wallet.

/Just because it's not their fault doesn't mean they can't "lock their doors".//I have no desire to rape scantily clad women (actually, they aren't the least bit attractive to me as a mate) but that doesn't mean that there's some psycho who will

ChubbyTiger:It does not place blame on the victims. It is common sense. Certain modes of dress dress do suggest, rightly or wrongly, certain things about the wearer. That could be gang membership, being a slut, employment by a Wall St firm, whatever. It's just the way humans think.

/the victim shares no blame, regardless of her clothing

The type of man who would rape a woman is going to do it regardless of the clothes she wears.

WhoGAS:NutznGum: WhippingBoy: Women should be able to dress how they want, just as I should be able to leave a wallet full of cash in plain sight in my unlocked car in the bad part of town.

Real World != Ideal World

Yes, because sensibly dressed women never get raped.

Yes, because criminals prefer to break into the locked car with the visible wallet over the unlocked car with the visible wallet.

/Just because it's not their fault doesn't mean they can't "lock their doors".//I have no desire to rape scantily clad women (actually, they aren't the least bit attractive to me as a mate) but that doesn't mean that there's some psycho who will

And that same psycho would rape a nun or an old lady too. The way the woman is dressed is irrelevant.

If I leave my car unlocked that's carelessness. If I'm a woman and I get raped because I was walking down the street in a skirt, that's still rape.

BruinsHockey:And people wonder why Toronto is hated outside of Ontario

We're not all like that, you know. The Fords are, God be praised, an aberration, a lapse, a freak accident. The number of people who voted for that fat feck is only around 30% of the city's population, and most of that comes from the GTA as opposed to Toronto proper. We got stuck with this guy by our cousins from such exotic places as Etobicoke and Oakville. If it helps he's this close to being thrown out of office for a conflict of interest. We are just as chagrined as you, and we have to live with him, catching up on his reading tearing down the Gardiner at 100kph.

Also, crime is always the fault of the perpetrator. It wouldn't be crime otherwise, and the fact that this has to be explained in the 21st century makes me wonder what would really be so bad about an apocalypse. Doesn't matter if you see a woman walking down the street wearing nothing but a bonnet, you keep your hands to yourself and your pants zipped. She is not inviting you to have a go, and if you think so then please kill yourself quickly, life is hard enough without that level of malevolent stupidity powering the citizens.

NutznGum:WhoGAS: NutznGum: WhippingBoy: Women should be able to dress how they want, just as I should be able to leave a wallet full of cash in plain sight in my unlocked car in the bad part of town.

Real World != Ideal World

Yes, because sensibly dressed women never get raped.

Yes, because criminals prefer to break into the locked car with the visible wallet over the unlocked car with the visible wallet.

/Just because it's not their fault doesn't mean they can't "lock their doors".//I have no desire to rape scantily clad women (actually, they aren't the least bit attractive to me as a mate) but that doesn't mean that there's some psycho who will

And that same psycho would rape a nun or an old lady too. The way the woman is dressed is irrelevant.

If I leave my car unlocked that's carelessness. If I'm a woman and I get raped because I was walking down the street in a skirt, that's still rape.

That's carelessness, too... Shouldn't have gone around being a woman, eh?

* because it's sexist to imply that men simply can't control themselves around attractively-dressed women. Guys, stop doing that. Take responsibility for your own actions and thoughts, and hold your fellow men to that standard, instead of handing out easily-disproven "common sense".

If I leave my car keys in the ignition, there's no blame on me.If I leave my house wide open, there's no blame on me.If I write my credit card number and PIN at a supermarket cashpoint, there's no blame on me.If I walk around dressed as a hooker, there's no blame on me.

NutznGum:WhoGAS: NutznGum: WhippingBoy: Women should be able to dress how they want, just as I should be able to leave a wallet full of cash in plain sight in my unlocked car in the bad part of town.

Real World != Ideal World

Yes, because sensibly dressed women never get raped.

Yes, because criminals prefer to break into the locked car with the visible wallet over the unlocked car with the visible wallet.

/Just because it's not their fault doesn't mean they can't "lock their doors".//I have no desire to rape scantily clad women (actually, they aren't the least bit attractive to me as a mate) but that doesn't mean that there's some psycho who will

And that same psycho would rape a nun or an old lady too. The way the woman is dressed is irrelevant.

If I leave my car unlocked that's carelessness. If I'm a woman and I get raped because I was walking down the street in a skirt, that's still rape.

Look, I'm not going to argue your belief system so whatever you want to believe is okay with me. I just won't shed a tear when someone who dresses less than conservatively gets raped. Just like I shed no tear for Chelsea King when she went jogging late afternoon on a trail in the middle of nowhere (I walk that trail) and got raped and murdered.

If a woman gets raped walking home from wherever and she's not dressed like a street walker, I will give more sympathy.

From my POV, I agree with you: a woman's dress SHOULD have nothing to do with whether she gets raped or not.

However, her state of dress WILL affect how much sympathy I have for her afterwards.

My opinion; you can share it if you like but it's mine and mine alone.

lunkhed:If I leave my car keys in the ignition, there's no blame on me.If I leave my house wide open, there's no blame on me.If I write my credit card number and PIN at a supermarket cashpoint, there's no blame on me.If I walk around dressed as a hooker, there's no blame on me.

Amirite?

No, you're not. One of these things is not like the other, one of these things doesn't belong.

/consent - do you understand the meaning of that word?//how about assault?///"he was wearing a Romney t-shirt - he practically begged to be punched" is OK to you, right?

NutznGum:If I leave my car unlocked that's carelessness. If I'm a woman and I get raped because I was walking down the street in a skirt, that's still rape.

You are missing the point. If someone steals your visible wallet out of your unlocked car it is still theft and still illegal. Doesn't matter that you were stupid and made it easy, it is still illegal. Same deal with sexual assault. No matter what you did to make it easy for the criminal, that doesn't excuse the crime and they are just as guilty.

However that doesn't mean you shouldn't be careful and try to make it harder/less likely that they commit a crime against you. If a woman is walking down a dark alley alone at midnight in a bad part of down and skimpy, suggestive clothing that in no way gives anyone the right to rape her. However that doesn't mean it is a good idea for her to be doing that in the first place.

You seem to be confused in to thinking that people are arguing that it makes it ok. That's not the argument at all. The argument is that it is a bad idea, it makes victimization more likely and that is something to be avoided.

Rape victims aren't all dressed like whores or something. I could see it as being perhaps a bad idea, to go for a whorish look if you aren't as "available" as you appear.. consider your audience, perhaps? However, that has nothing to do with rape, merely a comment on your apparent sluttiness, versus your actual sluttiness.

It'll never change the fact that committing rape is illegal and immoral who act is solely the fault of the person committing it. The reality is that folks break laws all the time.

It just seems to make sense to be clear and be sure there's no mixed signal being sent regarding your willingness to have sex. Again, on a normal person it makes no difference what you wear, rape is wrong and your clothing will not create rapists. However, to someone who IS a rapist, you could be profiled as a person who is an "easy target", or less likely to be believed if they were caught, etc.

In that regard, it set's you up as a more appealing target. Rape isn't about sex, it's about control, and if you appear controllable, you are a preferred target. A slut who isn't going to be beleived in court, is easier to control. Dressing/acting whorishly set's up a situation where someone can act as a character witness and say "Hey, look how she's dressed, she had it coming." or "She's obviously tried to lure men in to accuse them of rape." etc. It doesn't make them right, but in a courtroom it could create a shadow of doubt regarding your character, and raise the possibility that you may have actually acted to entrap someone. Considering your sole "sin" was to wear slutty clothes, it seems like a hell of a price to pay, losing your respectability, and apparent reliability as a witness in a case where you were the victim.

I wear a Buc's shirt sometimes (laundry day), and suddenly find myself being included in various sports discussions. I don't care about sports at all. I'm actually mystified by the appeal, but I'm a minority in that regard, apparently. As a result, I avoid wearing that shirt, because I'm pretty sure I come across as an idiot when I tell 'em I don't know the first thing about sports, while wearing a team shirt. It's not me, so I stay away from it, unless I know I'm hanging out with other folks that also don't care about sports.

lunkhed:If I leave my car keys in the ignition, there's no blame on me.If I leave my house wide open, there's no blame on me.If I write my credit card number and PIN at a supermarket cashpoint, there's no blame on me.If I walk around dressed as a hooker, there's no blame on me.

Amirite?

Yep. Of course:If you leave your car keys in the ignition, your car may be more likely to be stolen.If you leave your house wide open, you may be more likely to be burgled.If you leave your credit card at the supermarket, you may be more likely to be defrauded.If you walk around dressed like a hooker... You're less likely to be raped.