Talk: Timeline

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The Other Woman

The Day Ben takes Juliet to see Goodwins dead body, it has not been placed into the timeline yet. Its unclear when it takes place, but I'd place it anywhere between the days of Outlaws and What Kate Did, since Ben and Juliet go to the station to see Jack in Hatch on monitor on Day 49. Any ideas when it takes place?

Table format not uniform here...

Someone mentioned on the job list that Sep/Oct was a table, whereas Nov on was not, and I came here to work on making the latter ones a table; but having looked at it, I'm not sure I agree anymore. While the table does look nice on the eyes, it's difficult for the average user to edit, and isn't very user-friendly (which could lead to mistakes). I'm almost thinking it might be better to switch it back to regular format, since these are high-traffic editing pages. I'm a little undecided, but I'd like to take a vote. Take a look at the main article under "edit" before you decide (examples of table and of regular subheadings format), to see the amount of code involved first. --PandoraX 05:58, 6 November 2006 (PST)

Vote: Table or Regular Subheading Format?

Regular -- but we could improve it a bit (for example, we could have a two-cell table for each day -- left big cell : events, right small cell : titles of episodes) SGC.Alex 03:19, 12 November 2006 (PST)

I edited December to illustrate what I meant. Feel free to revert it if it needs to be! -- SGC.Alex 03:27, 12 November 2006 (PST)

Decision: Regular (non chart) by majority. Sorry Alex, but the hybrid format was still causing problems with formating the other pages, so I had to revert back to the simplest possible standard. This way, all the pages will be uniform, and newer users who don't know how to follow chart formating can still contribute. Keep in mind that these timelines are frequently edited b all sorts of lostpedians and updated with every episode, so the least amount of coding, the better. --PandoraX 09:16, 30 November 2006 (PST)

It is too confusing with two sets of dates. I don't think the anomaly has been explained enough to definitely say Day XX here is Day XY there. The helicopter left the Island on Dec 24 and arrived on the freighter Dec 24, and the trip took only 20 minutes for the people on the chopper. They have barely begun explaining the problem, so let's not jump to conclusions. It should read December 24, 2004- Sayid calls Jack from the freighter. December 26, 2004- Jack receives phone call from Sayid. We'll see what day it is when Sayid and Desmond return to the Island. We all know something is screwed up. (Jack Dutton 21:42, 29 February 2008 (PST))

Because Penny is standing in front of a Christmas tree with three unopened presents does not mean that it is December 24. It could very well be December 26.

Desmond did; however, tell Penny he was going to call on Christmas Eve. The "time-shift" is going to and from the island. The freighter is far enough from the Island to not be effected by it. If they left on the chopper and took a twenty minute ride back, but it was near two days in the perception of those on the island, this theory is logical.

A communications room that was trashed days before may not have an accurately marked calendar.

Merge?

After-crash time

Q: The episode list for White Rabbit (for instance) has "7 days after crash" in the table, and the episode description says "7 days", but September's timeline says it happens on the 6th day. What gives? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by DanielDíaz (talk • contribs), 18:07, 15 February 2007 (UTC).

Who thinks 'Par Avion' happens on day 80? I'd have put it at day 78, the day after 'Enter 77'. If it's because Claire said 80 days on the message attached to the bird, I'd say she was just putting a round number, but I can't be bothered to argue about it! :) Burt Gummer

Claire says "we have survived on this island for 80 days", which technically would mean that it takes place on the 81st day. That is consistent with Claire also saying to Charlie "you've been depressed all week". If Charlie and Desmond had their conversation during the evening between days 73 and 74, this fits with Claire saying this on day 80 or 81. It can be assumed that a few days have passed off camera. Those few days also allow for Sayid et al to walk to the fence, and for something to happen to Jack. -- Cheers(talk) 16:52, 20 March 2007 (PDT)

Some ruthless editing needed.

There's way too much detail in the most recent episodes!
The timeline doesn't need to re-tell the story, just put it in chronological order.
Day 74 only needs: "Jack meets the kidnapped Tailies, and prevents Juliet's execution. The Others leave Hydra Island, taking Jack with them".
Day 75 only needs: "Hurley finds a VW camper van in the jungle. Kate and Sawyer return to the beach camp. Kate, Sayid and Locke ask for Rousseau's help to free Jack".Burt Gummer

I agree somebody please do something if I touch people will yell. Princess Dharma(banned)

I've had a go at the December 2004 page. Somebody please take a look and tell me what you think.

It looks drastic. But the basic idea is that, in a year's time, nobody will want to check up on when Locke and Sayid discuss what killed Eko, or when Charlie and Hurley got Desmond drunk. So I've taken out all that kind of detail.

The episode pages' day counts don't correlate with what the show indicates. "The Economist" is listed as taking place on Day 94, but the Enhanced episode indicates it's Day 92.Thektulu7

See the discussion under December 2004. The enhanced version of the economist (which may or may not be canon) is where that information comes from. The date from the enhanced version of the economist is not consistant with other information from the show. Dharmatel4 19:13, 24 February 2008 (PST)

Tie-in novels

Should events from the three official tie-in novels (Signs of Life, Endangered Species and Secret Identity) be included on the timeline? They are written in a format similar to the episodes, and I don't see why it would do any harm, seeing as they have been endorsed by ABC and appear to be canon... --Bohrok Awakener 06:01, 31 March 2007 (PDT)

Episode names

Sometimes when looking up island events, it's a little tough to remember what month an episode took place in. Would it be reasonable to have mentioned for each month, the episode(s) that were on the first on the month and on the last? For instance:

September 2004 - Day 1 (Pilot Part 1) to Day 9 (Confidence Man)

October 2004 - Day 10 (Confidence Man) to Day 40 (Deus ex Machina)

November 2004 - Day 41 (Deus ex Machina) to Day 70 (Every Man For Himself)

December 2004 - Day 71 (Every Man For Himself/The Cost Of Living) to current island date.

split and rewrite

Am I the only one that thinks the TLE timeline should be kept separate from the show timeline? Maybe in another article called Timeline:The Lost Experience? ALSO, I think the timelines should be re-written, these are really poor right now... I, personally, think this could be a little more detailed, and the pre-crash article really isn't helpful without more flashback info... suggestions? (Isolation815 23:05, 12 April 2007 (PDT))
Actually, could we merge September with October and also change this:

I think details should be kept to the bare minimum needed to identify the event. The timeline should emphasise event chronology, not re-tell the story. The episode links are there, for more details.

What do you gain by embedding the episode titles in the text? In the current format, you know exactly where to look for them. But then, I probably only like it that way because I'm used to it, and fear change!

Post-Island Timeline?

Not yet. We don't have any solid time clues, do we? -- Cheers(talk) 22:06, 23 May 2007 (PDT)

The phone that Jack uses is the Motoroloa KRAZR, which was released in late 2006. That would put Jack's flashforward to be anywhere between November 2006 to the present. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Inker (talk • contribs), 08:04, 24 May 2007 (UTC).

I think it would be worth starting a "timeline" that doesn't include dates. Just put post-island events in some kind of chronological order. Dates can be added (or the order re-shuffled) as and when the knowledge comes in. Burt Gummer 11:34, 14 February 2008 (PST)

Season 4 Reference

Since no details about season 4 have been released, should the references to Season 4 taking place in January 2005 be removed? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sawyerrocks (talk • contribs), 14:46, 24 May 2007 (UTC).

Wrong on-island dates

When Oceanic 815 left Sidney on September 22nd, it was September 24th on the island. which means they in a way skipped the rest of 22nd and the 23rd, and got right into Spetember 24th. So if this right, all the dates has to be changed.

You should check out some of the talk on The Constant. It's too early to say definitively that the island is always 2 days ahead. We shouldn't change all the dates until we get a little more grasp on the situation. Be patient, Daniel will tell us all exactly what the heck is going on. --bq 00:28, 3 March 2008 (PST)

Timeline Audit?

It may be presumptuous of me to ask, but how certain are we of the timeline as stated on Lostpedia? When was the last time someone retraced the days and dates back to the last known exact date to figure out if December 26th is correct? Given our current knowledge of the date off the island, are we certain that we have the correct date on the island?--Chuck 09:25, 3 March 2008 (PST)

I really think we should do this as a table, and source all the dates in one column. For example "calendar shown in episode" or "X days ago shown on screen" or "X days after episode Y" or "given in extended info" or "mentioned in podcast Z", etc.--Jackdavinci

Find Oceanic 815?

Should we include find oceanic 815 into the timeline?

Non-episode scenes added?

Should we have the information from the lost flashbacks (Claire and Sayid at the airport), deleted scenes, and/or Missing Pieces added? I don't see anything that says everything needs to be from the episodes themselves, and there's certainly plenty of info from the ARGs. I think it'd be a good idea to add what we've learned from those kinds of non-episode scenes. I don't see any reason why they wouldn't count as canon. Tygartl1 10:48, 14 March 2008 (PDT)

I think we should go by what's canon. The episodes and flashbacks are canon. The mobisodes are also canon. Deleted scenes and ARG stuff are quasi-canon, so shouldn't be included except when the same info is in the show itself already. --Jackdavinci

Simplification

Do to all the confusion over timeline days, it seems silly to me to specify on every single character page which days comprise each season. It should be sufficient to simply list each season without the days in parenthesis. If people want to know how long a season lasted in show time they can go to the timeline or to the article for that season. Otherwise a million articles will have to keep changing each time we change our minds about the timeline. That said, why did we start dividing it by season anyway? Within the show the characters don't have a concept of what season of the shoe they are in. I thought the pre-island/island/post-island worked much better. Especially now with the flashbacks and flashforwards! It doesn't seem to make sense to divide character histories by the chronology of episodes aired when the episodes themselves jump back and forth within the chronology of the Lost universe. --Jackdavinci 21:51, 18 April 2008 (PDT)

Disagree - Keep it split in months. There's too much info for one page. In Post-Island Timeline it is sometimes hard to separate one year from another, so make it just 2005 and beyond. Malachi 23:30, 8 June 2008 (PDT)

I agree with Malachi. The three months between the crash and O6 rescue contain four seasons worth of events that would be way too much for one page. They need to be split up by months. And everything after the O6 rescue is still too vague to categorize at this point, so it should remain as it is until we learn more. The only change that needs to be made is to rename "Post-Island" to "Post-Oceanic 6 Rescue" or something along those lines. Celebok 11:14, 9 June 2008 (PDT)

I like having a section which is specifically designated as "on Island" meaning the main section. If and when it turns out that they return to the Island we can revisit. I will say that the current way that the "off Island" section is organized seems sloppy, so maybe making the change will be good.--Pennyj 20:18, 10 June 2008 (PDT)

Other proposition - As I've proposed on the post-Island talk page, I think it would be better to do from 2004 and on two clear timelines, one off, one on Island. Basically the post-crash timeline would be the same except be named post-crash on island timeline (or something like that), and the post-island timeline would be split into years and would be named something like "post-crash off Island" mixing perhaps also events that happened from sept 2004 to dec 2004 but Off Island (I am not talking about the freighter as I think these events should stay in the post-crash on island timeline). Basically it would go something like:

Post-crash timeline - On Island, chronology of events after the crash on Island.

September 2004 - Day 1 to Day 9

October 2004 - Day 10 to Day 40

November 2004 - Day 41 to Day 70

December 2004 - Day 71 to Day 101

Etc.

Post-crash timeline - Off Island, chronology of events taking place off the island after the crash.

2004

2005

2006

2007

Etc.

The phrasing of the timeline might perhaps not be the best here but I hope you understand what I mean.

Disagree with Other Propostion - I think at the very least the Sept. - Dec. 2004 timelines should remain the way they are. There are certain off-island events that are incorporated there (i.e. the discovery of the faked wreckage) that are relevant to on-island events. --LOSTinDC 07:33, 11 June 2008 (PDT)

I would propose that it be broken down (for now, until we see what Season 5 brings) like this: Pre-Crash Timeline; Post-Crash Timeline to Rescue, with separate pages for Sept; Oct; Nov; Dec; and Post-Rescue Timeline. Why? At this time, we have no clue what timeline on-island events will be on in Season five - its possible that on-island events will also be in 2005, its possible that they will be in 2 million B.C. - we just don't know. What we know now from the four seasons we have - is that the rescue/moving the island marks a definitive change in the timeline that is a good place to split up - just as the crash was a good split for pre/post-crash timelines. --LOSTinDC 07:34, 11 June 2008 (PDT)

My main point wasn't on the fact that for instance off-island events during september (or whenever in 04) should be seperated from the current timeline, rather that the deconstruction of the post crash timeline should remain as it is (month-wise) whilst the post rescue or whatever you want to call it timeline be divided into years. Post-Island events are getting pretty dense as we go along, and even in one small season we have a huge chunk of information post-Island that needs clarification by putting into dedicated years (cf for instance the season 4 post-island summary). - TheAma1 14:48, 11 June 2008 (PDT)

I think the best thing, is to just wait to see what the status quo is come January. Merging the pages into 2004, 2005 pages won't happen. The pages are already huge and if someome with an older browser edits them as it is, we could lose content. Merging them will cause nightmares. We don't know where we are regarding Season 5, we should try and pre-empt it. Plkrtn talk contribs email 19:00, 8 August 2008 (PDT)

This is starting to get a bit confusing. We have two "sets" of 1970s events, one in Timeline:Pre-crash and now one in Timeline:Post-return. It's tough to get a feel for the overarching timeline when we have the same time period split up in various articles.--SideShowMel0329 05:21, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Proposal: Tag events by whether they have been seen or only referred to

While going through the timeline pages it seems like there is a lot of information that has either only been referred to in a passing comment, or has not been seen in the context of the show. I think there should be some sort of tag separating events that HAVE been seen. Things like show footage, Missing Pieces, and any of the Comic Con extra videos are things that have been viewed. Non-canon footage would not be included. The purpose of this would be so that after the series is done, it would be possible to view events in chronological order without having to sort through what can't be viewed on a regular DVD or internet video. Gutsdozer 05:51, 16 November 2008 (PST)

The whole Timeline needs to be fixed and cleaned up

Ok, ever since these time shifts started, this timeline has become a mess. Certain events on the post time shift page are listed on the post return page, and some of them are also on listed on the pre crash page. Since we are now seeing alot of events that are taking place in the past, shouldn't all of these events just be listed on the pre crash page and nowhere else? These events are things that have always happened in the past, and will most likely have caused some things we have already seen in the post crash period of sept-december 2004, so if we want this timeline to be truly chronological, we need to organize not by the chronology of the characters lives, but by the chronology of events. So, it should be:

Pre crash timeline (this will including all the events of the time shifts and events after the final shift in the dharma era)

Post crash
- sept
- oct
- nov
- dec

Then, I think the 2005 and Beyond should be renamed to 2005-2008 and place it right after december 2004

And then, Post Return (will only include events of Locke/Ben/Caesar, etc., until we find out specifically what time they are in (has to be at least after dec 2004)
--Mattfarley1008 21:05, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

It doesn't seem right that someone who would wonders "What did Juliet et al experience after the frozen wheel was turned?" should have to comb through page after page of the timeline of events as they happened to try and find the different flashes and then to try and put them in the order Daniel et al experienced them. It may not be the clearest the way it is now but that just means we need to work to make it clearer and doesn't mean we should just give up and delete it. {{SUBST:User:jdray/autosig}} 02:12, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

The right thing to do in my opinion is to have a chronology-based timeline, and then separate timelines for each individual that experiences a time shift (to date Locke, Sawyer, Juliet, Jin, Daniel, Charlotte, Miles, Jack, Kate, Hurley, and possibly Desmond, Sayid, Sun, and Ben). This way if someone is interested in Juliet's experience with time, they can view her timeline, with the appropriate links into the chronology-based timeline as well (as well as vice versa). Thoughts????
Michael.b.price 02:29, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

There is a big discrepancy that needs to be cleared up. The date on the paper of Jeremy Bentham's obituary in in Aprl 2007. However, Locke's passport was dated as issued December 2007. It appears the current Lostpedia timeline bases numerous events on the passport date. But since Locke dies AFTER the scene with the passport, equal consideration needs to be given that "present day" is not late 2007/early 2008, but rather April 2007, based on Locke's obituary, and then work backward from there. It is a clear set of two contradicting pieces of evidence, for which I can find no compelling reason why one is more meaningful than the other.

The obituary was created by the prop department and has been confirmed not canon. I guess it was not meant to be enhanced to be read. The passport however was given a clear close-up. That is the clearer and more obvious one to use as a timestamp. -JamesyWamesy 04:08, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Lost: Chronological Timeline

Can this be really done....... Begin with Across The Sea/ Ab Aeterno episodes everyones life from birth thru growing up and getting older up to the boarding of the plane/ plane crash... island life in real time- no flasbacks- no flashfowards just their lives on the island they leave the island their life off island till they return with Jeremy Bentham body and follow the on island storyline up till the last sec when Jacks eye closes

add all Mobisodes in the past where they fit add all deleted scenes

leave flash sideways to occure after Jack dies

Rename of sections

I think the timelines are way too confusing. 2005 and beyond? Post-time swifts? How about just:

I agree that it is too confusing, but I dont think this would be quite right, we shouldnt have a seperate page for Dharma era events, since all of those events take place pre crash, read my post above this one
--Mattfarley1008 05:09, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

The worst one for me is the overly large 2005 and beyond. Why not have separate years for 2005, 2006, etc.? Also, we could couple two of the timelines instead of keeping them separate and referring to the other one, with Post-Time shifts and Post-return. It seems silly to have both. ---- LOSTonthisdarnisland 06:30, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

One of the main issues that needs to be decided on is: Shouldnt this timeline be putting everything that happens in chronological order? Just as we have seen flashbacks that take place in the past, the time shifts and dharma era events take place in the past also, and should only be listed there in the pre crash section. We could put some kind of reference or link at the end of the december 2004 section to note this, but there really shouldnt be a separate page for time shifts and especially post time shifts.--Mattfarley1008 20:43, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

I agree. Right now we're just adding facts to a big "list" as we go along, in the show's chronology. I don't see the point of having a timeline if you put the events that happened in 1977 after the ones that happened in 2004. We should be able to put the show's events into context ("oh, so Jin was born in the same year he joined on the Dharma Initiative!"). As for the time shifts, maybe we could list them in the time flash article and add to the timeline the ones we know the dates for. --kristbg 19:43, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

I disagree. The Pre-crash page is too long as is. Putting all the information from the time shifts and 1974-1977 in would make it less manageable. The links for each timeshift as well as 1974 and 1977 are in the Pre-crash page so you can jump to the next page easier, and the reference point is still there. Surely that's enough. -JamesyWamesy 21:15, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

My understanding was that everything that happens was being put in chronological order on the timeline. Are you suggesting that this means we shoud delete the page of time shifts that are listed in the order Sawyer et al experienced them? If so I strongly disagree as I think that page is very important to keeping the story of what happened to Daniel et al straight. If that page is deleted someone who wanted to find out how events chronolgically occured for Juliet et al would have to spend too much time combing through the other timeline just trying to find it all and keep it in the different order in their heads. I believe this has already been discussed on the talk page for that article. There should defintley be a seperate page for time shifts. {{SUBST:User:jdray/autosig}} 02:07, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

If so, then at least the post time shift page should be merged with the time shifts page, and just have everything occuring in the dharma era before the O6 return listed there, under the final time shift. And, then should we just list everything twice on both the pre crash page and the time shifts/post return ('77 events) page? Some of it is on the pre crash page now but not in as great of detail.--Mattfarley1008 02:43, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Please see my comments in the section titled "The whole Timeline needs to be fixed and cleaned up". Michael.b.price 02:32, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

I have an idea for new sections, where the events is in chronological order:

1. All events before the time shifts stopped.2. All events between the time shifts stoppedand the Incident.3. All events between the Incidentand Flight 815 crashed.4. The alternate timeline after the Incident.5. All events in September 2004 (Post-crash).6. All events in October 2004.7. All events in November 2004.8. All events in December 2004.9. All events off Island from 2005 and beyond.10. All events on Island from 2005 and beyond.11. All events between the time shifts startedand the time shifts stopped.

I like it! I only have one very minor problem. The 1974-1977 page would be mostly on-Island information. What then would we do with things like Jin's birth (1974), Sawyer's parents' death (1976), and Kate's and Hurley's birth (1977). Maybe it's just me, but I think they would seem a bit out of place. But then again, these people are all on the Island and thus would be connected in some way. We could then do away with the unsourced Ana-Lucia's birth and the not-so-important Sri Lanka video from the Lost Experience (1975). What does anyone else think? -JamesyWamesy 00:53, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

I like it too, but I think that 1974-1977 present should be a different timeline for Sawyer's group. I mean a "pre-crash" timeline (in and outside the island, with the things that happened in the past of the castaways); and a "post-time shifts" timeline (in and outside the island, with the things that happened to the ones that travelled to the past, including oceanic 6). Why? First, we don't know if it's the same timeline yet, and also, to keep those events as the most "recent", along with 1997 present. --Metalpotato - Talk - Contributions - ✉ 04:19, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

What's up with the British date format?

Why have all the dates on Lostpedia been reformatted to "day month year" rather than "month day, year"? We follow U.S. conventions for spellings and everything else on the encyclopedia. Was the date format ever discussed? Is there a technical reason for the UK-style preference? Robert K Stell me 08:46, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

The American way of doing things is, as usual, stupid. The British format goes from smallest amount of time to largest, whereas the American format goes middle length of time/smallest length of time/largest length of time. But no, I don't know why Lostpedia is doing it. LOST-Scarecrow 08:19, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Actually, a far better way to format the time is YYYY MM DD HH::MM since English is read left-to-right, it is easier to mentally (and programmatically) sort a set of dates.

MAJOR CHANGE: The Story of the Oceanic Six

With the confirmation that the on-island events are happening in 2007 rather than 2008, we can establish a more concrete timeline. Locke's passport was issued/fabricated on December 12, 2007 - he then killed himself on a Friday, and a week or so later (the day of the Ajira flight), it was still 2007. Since it's unlikely that it only took him two days to visit all the O6, it's likely that his day of death was December 21, 2007. So the day of Flight 316 would be the next Friday, December 28, and the latest on-island events - "Day 4" post-return - would be on December 31, 2007. Of course, this could be completely dismissed at some point by a specific reference on the show, but for now, I think this is our best option based on the info we have. --Pyramidhead 06:31, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Jack said Locke visited him "about a month ago," putting the comment in January 2008. ShadowUltra 12:23, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

I don't see why any of what we learned in the clip show requires a rejiggering of the off-Island timeline. We know the whole plane and everyone on it travelled through time, because the plane went from night to broad daylight. The plane took off in 2008 and landed in some indeterminate time in 2007--that's all there is to it. Robert K Stell me 15:54, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

I haven't seen the clip show yet and I can't find anywhere to download it either, so can anyone tell me what the actual quote was about 2007? I've heard that Ajira took off in 2007 and I've heard that they landed on the Island in 2007, does it say both or just the latter? -JamesyWamesy 16:57, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

It says something to the effect of "the Oceanic six were split up into two different time periods...2007 and 1977.." That's not exactly the wording but something like that. Brotha305 17:09, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

I've added the transcript. The narrator says, "The Oceanic Six made it back to the Island... But in two very different time periods... with one group in 2007... and the other in 1977." Robert K Stell me 21:25, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

It seems that the passport was done by the prop department and thus wrong however im sure will eventually get an answer as to when the time off island was. --THE REAL DEAL998 22:42, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

It seems to me that a phrase like that indicates that the "present" timeline (including all off-island events, Sayid's murders, Jeremy Bentham's travels, etc) took place in 2007, and when characters said they'd left the island "three years ago" they really meant "2 years and 11 months ago," or whatever. People aren't specific about timeframes. And we know 316 went from night to day, but that would just seem to be the typical hours-offset that occurs when people penetrate the island's "bubble," i.e. Daniel's stopwatch rocket or Sayid and Desmond's helicopter. LOST-Scarecrow 08:24, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Broadcast Timeline?

I propose a single page that is a timeline of when LOST-related video was first broadcast. This would allow watching the show and the extras in chronological order. A few lines (with many omissions) to show what I'm talking about...

... and the dates the DHARMA commercials were broadcast, etc. Before I start on such a timelime, does it already exist here? Would anyone like to help? --Notinpdx 19:36, November 8, 2009 (UTC)

No replies and no offers to help. But I believe the information I'm thinking of is found in the 'Expanded Universe' sections. Getting those dates in a single list shouldn't be too difficult.
--Notinpdx 23:42, December 6, 2009 (UTC)

Parallel Timeline

Are we going to add the alternate timeline to these pages or what? 12:33, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

I think we should start a new page called "Alternate timeline" -JamesyWamesy 16:05, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

Agreed, it's too speculative to add the alternate timeline to this page. Maybe they can be merged when it's more clear how they fit. But the possibilities are just too much to add it here. It's completely unknown how the two timelines are connected, if at all. Vaholdem33 21:31, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

One of the two and truthfully right now i don't think i really care which but will you please post a link to it so we can get started working on it. ? Thanks 02:41, February 5, 2010 (UTC)

As I'm French, I'm sorry if this is a stupid question but why "flash-sideways" and not "flashsideways" (like "flashback" and "flashforward")? Nico 23:29, February 10, 2010 (UTC)

"Flashsideways" isn't a dictionary word (and neither is "flashforward", which we don't use here; we use "flash-forward" instead). When used as an adjective, the word should probably be hyphenated. When used as a verb or noun, it should probably not be. For example: "Langston Hughes was a famous African American who contributed greatly to African-American poetry." Similarly: "We are now watching Kate's flash sideways, which means we are viewing events that took place in the flash-sideways timeline. I keep telling Kate not to flash sideways, but she doesn't listen." Robert K Stell me 23:54, February 10, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your answer! Nico 00:22, February 12, 2010 (UTC)

Turns out it wasn't a parallel timeline at all. It was their AFTERLIFE! Jdray 04:49, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

Split 1977 and 2007.

I'm aware that their is already some topics about reorganizing the timelime. But a simple change could be this. Now that all our characters are together in 2007 I suggest we should do it like this. Don't base a splitting point anymore on the landing of Ajira 316 but rather split 1977 and 2007. Meaning this: put those 4 days in 1977 after the landing together with "On-island: Timeshifts, 1974-1977" and make for the 5 days in 2007 together with the events in season 6 under a new section called simply "2007" or "Post Return".
(Also wouldn't it be better to put a '+' between the timeshifts and 1974-1977, instead of the comma because like this it reads like the timeshifts only happen during that period) --Boumie 10:24, February 6, 2010 (UTC)

I dont think 1977 deserves its own page, it was only 4 days of timeline, it should stay as is. Still the 06 returning to Island is still post-return, regardless if theres some in 1977 and some go to 2007. It just confuses the flow, I thought we said post-return was all events after the 06 returns to island. Buffyfan123 13:10, March 5, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with Bournie that it should be added to the timeshifts section, since it is technically a time shift, and the beginning of it syncs up with the end of the timeshift section as it currently is. That way the post return section wont be divided. InflatableBombshelter 07:34, March 10, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with splitting it up. I don't really care whether the 1977 section gets its own page or if it moves to the timeshifts section, but I'd like to see it separated from the 2007 section, because it seems to get in the way whenever I go to that page -- like I'll quickly scroll down and see a Day 3 or Day 4 and it'll take me a second to realize I'm looking at 1977 when I'm only interested in 2007. --Celebok 19:28, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

Tv Guide

This is obviously not canon, and possibly even researched from here, but I thought it would be interesting to post here nonetheless as a look at how a TV reporter sees the timeline. Tv Guide's Lost timeline:

?: Jacob and his twin, the unnamed Man in Black, are born. One dies, and the other is given a very important job: protecting the island.

1954: A time-shifting Daniel Faraday warns Richard - and a young Charles Widmore - that they must bury the Jughead hydrogen bomb left over by the U.S. Army's occupation of the island.

1970: The Dharma Initiative, a group of scientists and free-thinkers, is founded.

1973: Ben Linues and his father move to the island to work and live with the Dharma Inititative.

1974: Sawyer, Juliet, Jin, Daniel, and Miles, who have all time-shifted, live with the Dharma Initiative for three years.

1977: Juliet detonates the Jughead bomb below the construction site for the Swan station, causing "The Incident" and another time shift.

1988: A pregnant Danielle Rousseau, along with the other five members of her science team, is shipwrecked on the island.

1992: Ben kills everyone in the Dharma Initiative - including his dad - then aligns himself with Richard and the Others.

2001: Desmond Hume comes to the island. He is tasked with pressing the Swan station button every 108 minutes. Not long after, Dr. Juliet Burke is brought to the island by Ben.

2004: On Septmeber 22, Desmond fails to press the button and Oceanic 815 crashes on the Island.

2005: In early January, Jack, Kate, Sun, Hurley, Sayid, and Aaron - aka the Oceanic Six - are rescued and hold a press conference where they lie about what happened on the island.

2007: In December, Jack, Kate, Sun, Hurely, and Sayid, along with a dead John Locke, return to the island. Some of them time-shift back to 1977. Meanwhile, the Man in Black takes over Locke's body and kills Jacob.

2008: Widmore returns ot the Island with his son-in-aw Desmond in tow. While trying to escape, Sun, Jin, and Sayid die.

October-November 2007 dates

We now have proof that the events in Season 5 and Season 6 do not take place in December 2007.
[1] This storyboard says Locke was in Tunisia in October and with Jack saying that Locke visited him A month prior to the Ajira flight, then it landed in November. This makes more sense because if the Landing took place in late December then it would mean Season 6 is in 2008 which contradicts with what the Producers have said.--Oceanic777200 06:55, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

I wouldn't take what that storyboard says as gospel. It refers to the Ajira survivors as the "flight 154 survivors". I don't think this can be considered canon, otherwise the leaked set report that says Jacob and MIB were 13 years old in 23 AD is canon. --D Toccs 09:27, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

I have to agree. It's more of a rough outline of events they were planning rather than an exact timeline of events. It says things such as "Locke captured by Widmore, rescued by Sayid" - Sayid never rescued him. "[Locke] asks Ben to kill him" which didn't happen. It also says that just Jack is separated from the group on the plane, when it was actually all of them but Ben and Sun. Loving the Dharma food on the desk though. Not sure what the WD40 is for, and is that the Senet box I can see? And I want a "Squirrel Baby on Board" sign. Like right now. Plus who the hell is "MERCS" on the character wall?--Baker1000 22:28, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

Missing Flashbacks?

I can't seem to narrow down where the flashbacks are in the timeline for characters such as Daniel Faraday, Miles Straume, Charlotte Lewis, Frank Lapidus, Naomi Dorrit and Ilana Verdansky. They all had flashbacks that took place off the island and I can't seem to find them in the timeline. This is mainly for all the flashbacks that took place in "Confirmed Dead". But I also can't find Ilana's flashback. I thought it would take place sometime in the 2005-2007 but it wasn't there. Johnlanigan 14:49, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Lost: Chronological Timeline

Can this be really done.......
Begin with Across The Sea/ Ab Aeterno episodes
everyones life from birth thru growing up and getting older
up to the boarding of the plane/ plane crash...
island life in real time- no flasbacks- no flashfowards
just their lives on the island
they leave the island
their life off island till they return with Jeremy Bentham body
and follow the on island storyline up till the last sec when Jacks eye closes