ROFL, on the team in San Francisco, no less. I wonder if he's gay and still in the closet? That's a pretty excessive set of statements, there. Let's see some of our resident 49ers fans chime in on this one; I'm curious.

There has been plenty of forum members here making fun of SF the city, SF the team, and SF fans because the gay stereotype of that area.... but now that 49er player says something... its not okay?! LOL.

There is nothing being wrong with gay. And in my eyes people who hate on homosexuals are modern day racists...almost similar to people during the civil rights era.

seahawksflow wrote:There has been plenty of forum members here making fun of SF the city, SF the team, and SF fans because the gay stereotype of that area.... but now that 49er player says something... its not okay?! LOL.

There is nothing being wrong with gay. And in my eyes people who hate on homosexuals are modern day racists...almost similar to people during the civil rights era.

The irony here though is great!

me included so i'm not going to be a hypocrite and bash him for having a similar opinion on the matter. sf is gay.

I hope you mean you respect his freedom to have an opinion and the freedom to express said opinion, as do I.

But his opinion itself is discriminatory, and I hope you don't agree with it. Any opinion that discriminates against others for being different is wrong and there is no room to debate whether it is right/wrong.

seahawksflow wrote:There has been plenty of forum members here making fun of SF the city, SF the team, and SF fans because the gay stereotype of that area.... but now that 49er player says something... its not okay?! LOL.

There is nothing being wrong with gay. And in my eyes people who hate on homosexuals are modern day racists...almost similar to people during the civil rights era.

The irony here though is great!

The slight difference here though, is that what people say in here, is mostly just to get the ire of niner fans. I'd wager that a good portion of the comments you see like that are meant to get under the skin and are just insensitive pokes, wheras, this is being perpetuated as his actual feelings towards gay people who may be on his team. Racial and gay jokes and innuendo can be insensitive, but doesn't mean the person telling the joke has any disdain for a certain race or sexuality, whereas a person who comes out saying that a person of a certain race or sexuality isn't welcome is an actual problem.

Now, with that said, I have no idea if this guy actually meant it. The article talks about these being shock jocks and I have no context to say he said it as some insensitive humor or if he means it.

“You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time”

George, if you don't understand the difference between an opposing team's fans making fun of San Francisco and its gay culture stereotypes and an NFL player that plays for that city's team, an NFL player who by the way has moral turpitude clauses built into his contract to represent his team in a professional manner, then I don't know what to say, except that it's hopeless to discuss this topic with you.

kidhawk wrote:Racial and gay jokes and innuendo can be insensitive, but doesn't mean the person telling the joke has any disdain for a certain race or sexuality, whereas a person who comes out saying that a person of a certain race or sexuality isn't welcome is an actual problem.

Doesn't work that way, kid. It's those who tell the jokes and say ... "I'm only joking" .... who are the biggest problem to the gay community. Either way the person is a homophob - even if he can't admit it.

kidhawk wrote:Racial and gay jokes and innuendo can be insensitive, but doesn't mean the person telling the joke has any disdain for a certain race or sexuality, whereas a person who comes out saying that a person of a certain race or sexuality isn't welcome is an actual problem.

Doesn't work that way, kid. It's those who tell the jokes and say ... "I'm only joking" .... who are the biggest problem to the gay community. Either way the person is a homophob - even if he can't admit it.

So if anyone makes a joke about gay people, they are a homophob, and if anyone makes jokes about race, they are a racist?

Gezzus, people are so effin PC nowadays. Jokes are jokes. The PROBLEM comes when people are actually serious when they make these comments.

I'm certain there are racists or homophobs who claim to only be joking but mean it down deep, but please don't try lumping every joke by every person as them being racist or homophobic, Sometimes a joke is just a freaking joke. Some people won't find it funny some people will, but it can still be a joke.

“You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time”

Hehe. If the team itself had the courage of its convictions, let alone anything like respect for the city it inhabits and its culture, it would be having precisely NONE of this. It wouldn't send out its flacks to say he didn't mean it or he was misinterpreted or whatever (which, btw, is laughably stupid. Can't really misinterpret what was said.)

But the organization appears to lack these qualities. The franchise is in the Super Bowl and wants to win it and that's the only thing that matters.

VivaEfrenHerrera wrote:Hehe. If the team itself had the courage of its convictions, let alone anything like respect for the city it inhabits and its culture, it would be having precisely NONE of this. It wouldn't send out its flacks to say he didn't mean it or he was misinterpreted or whatever (which, btw, is laughably stupid. Can't really misinterpret what was said.)

But the organization appears to lack these qualities. The franchise is in the Super Bowl and wants to win it and that's the only thing that matters.

I love to hate on the Niners as much as the next guy, but I heard that the Niners came out with a statement denouncing what was said and that they'd already "spoken to" the player involved. I'm about to head off for the day so I can't grab a link, but I think I saw it on ESPN...maybe Sando's blog

“You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time”

Sure, sure. Of course they said stuff. But did they do stuff? Lol, no. Here's some empty words for ya:

''There is no place for discrimination within our organization at any level. We have and always will proudly support the LGBT community.''

If there was truly "no place for discrimination" they'd have actually taken some kind of action. The only visible action I can see is that they sent out the flack for another round of disingenuous apologies:

''Chris is very apologetic for any harm caused to anyone,'' Palmer said in a phone interview. ''His intent was not that at all. He is one who celebrates the differences of others. All of this was just a big mistake. It was interpreted wrong.''

Culliver's own apology is interesting; at times seemingly sincere and self-reflective, but at other times weasely.

"The derogatory comments I made yesterday were a reflection of thoughts in my head, but they are not how I feel. It has taken me seeing them in print to realize that they are hurtful and ugly. Those discriminating feelings are truly not in my heart. Further, I apologize to those who I have hurt and offended, and I pledge to learn and grow from this experience.”

Thoughts in my head but not how I feel? Lolwut? They're just random, unconnected thoughts that pop into your mouth when you get asked about gay players? C'mon. That's just obvious self-serving nonsense.

Haha, he better watch his back when they return home. How dumb can someone be! You can have all the opinions you want...but he should think about where he spends the majority of your working life before spouting off at the mouth. Not to bright.

SouthSoundHawk wrote:Haha, he better watch his back when they return home. How dumb can someone be! You can have all the opinions you want...but he should think about where he spends the majority of your working life before spouting off at the mouth. Not to bright.

GO RAVENS.

He should watch his back on the sidelines before/after the game. Suggs has been very outspoken in his cry for equality with sexual preference. He may have a few words to say.

kidhawk wrote:Racial and gay jokes and innuendo can be insensitive, but doesn't mean the person telling the joke has any disdain for a certain race or sexuality, whereas a person who comes out saying that a person of a certain race or sexuality isn't welcome is an actual problem.

Doesn't work that way, kid. It's those who tell the jokes and say ... "I'm only joking" .... who are the biggest problem to the gay community. Either way the person is a homophob - even if he can't admit it.

bigger problem than the guys that states that gay people need to get out of here?........really interesting perspective

I love the retraction / apology that went something like this on twitter: Those were things in my head but don't represent what I am thinking about the subject.......

VivaEfrenHerrera wrote:Sure, sure. Of course they said stuff. But did they do stuff? Lol, no. Here's some empty words for ya:

''There is no place for discrimination within our organization at any level. We have and always will proudly support the LGBT community.''

If there was truly "no place for discrimination" they'd have actually taken some kind of action. The only visible action I can see is that they sent out the flack for another round of disingenuous apologies:

''Chris is very apologetic for any harm caused to anyone,'' Palmer said in a phone interview. ''His intent was not that at all. He is one who celebrates the differences of others. All of this was just a big mistake. It was interpreted wrong.''

Culliver's own apology is interesting; at times seemingly sincere and self-reflective, but at other times weasely.

"The derogatory comments I made yesterday were a reflection of thoughts in my head, but they are not how I feel. It has taken me seeing them in print to realize that they are hurtful and ugly. Those discriminating feelings are truly not in my heart. Further, I apologize to those who I have hurt and offended, and I pledge to learn and grow from this experience.”

Thoughts in my head but not how I feel? Lolwut? They're just random, unconnected thoughts that pop into your mouth when you get asked about gay players? C'mon. That's just obvious self-serving nonsense.

We don't really know what happened behind closed doors. We may never know. It's easy to assume they have done nothing, because most personnel issues like this are done with privacy in mind. For all we know, he could have apologized, and made promises to do some community service in the field or maybe you're right, maybe they are just sweeping it under the rug. Maybe the Niners organization doesn't really care. Right now it's all pretty much just us guessing. Time will tell

“You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time”

what strikes me odd, is how his initial comments were barely in english, but his apology was written with perfect grammar.. safe to say the organization has become very much envolved, and they're taking it very seriously..

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hawker84 wrote:what strikes me odd, is how his initial comments were barely in english, but his apology was wrote with perfect grammar.. safe to say the organization has become very much envolved, and they're taking it very seriously..

Or his agent. People with black marks like this, don't do so well in the endorsement market

“You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time”

kidhawk wrote:Racial and gay jokes and innuendo can be insensitive, but doesn't mean the person telling the joke has any disdain for a certain race or sexuality, whereas a person who comes out saying that a person of a certain race or sexuality isn't welcome is an actual problem.

Doesn't work that way, kid. It's those who tell the jokes and say ... "I'm only joking" .... who are the biggest problem to the gay community. Either way the person is a homophob - even if he can't admit it.

bigger problem than the guys that states that gay people need to get out of here?........really interesting perspective

I love the retraction / apology that went something like this on twitter: Those were things in my head but don't represent what I am thinking about the subject.......

Yes, bigger. Ask any gay. The guy that comes out and says ... "I hate gays" .... you know where you stand with him. The guys who pretend or *think* they accept gays and say ... I was just joking when I called you a f@&&#t ... its those guys who have NO CLUE and have no understanding that if you make a joke like that -- you've got some hate going on.

Tailspin Hawk Fan wrote:Yes, bigger. Ask any gay. The guy that comes out and says ... "I hate gays" .... you know where you stand with him. The guys who pretend or *think* they accept gays and say ... I was just joking when I called you a f@&&#t ... its those guys who have NO CLUE and have no understanding that if you make a joke like that -- you've got some hate going on.

Dude, you seriously need to get some perspective. Calling someone a faggot is NOT a joke. It's not even close. Only way it can be is if it's an inside joke between two people who both "get the joke".

Calling someone a faggot is not what people are talking about when they are talking about making jokes. Things are more like "You know you're gay because you're a niners fan" stupid crap like that.

“You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time”

Tailspin Hawk Fan wrote:Yes, bigger. Ask any gay. The guy that comes out and says ... "I hate gays" .... you know where you stand with him. The guys who pretend or *think* they accept gays and say ... I was just joking when I called you a f@&&#t ... its those guys who have NO CLUE and have no understanding that if you make a joke like that -- you've got some hate going on.

Dude, you seriously need to get some perspective. Calling someone a faggot is NOT a joke. It's not even close. Only way it can be is if it's an inside joke between two people who both "get the joke".

Calling someone a faggot is not what people are talking about when they are talking about making jokes. Things are more like "You know you're gay because you're a niners fan" stupid crap like that.

It's a joke when a homosexual says it to another homosexual though. Correct?

Tailspin Hawk Fan wrote:Yes, bigger. Ask any gay. The guy that comes out and says ... "I hate gays" .... you know where you stand with him. The guys who pretend or *think* they accept gays and say ... I was just joking when I called you a f@&&#t ... its those guys who have NO CLUE and have no understanding that if you make a joke like that -- you've got some hate going on.

Dude, you seriously need to get some perspective. Calling someone a faggot is NOT a joke. It's not even close. Only way it can be is if it's an inside joke between two people who both "get the joke".

Calling someone a faggot is not what people are talking about when they are talking about making jokes. Things are more like "You know you're gay because you're a niners fan" stupid crap like that.

Sorry, I couldn't really think of any real gay-light jokes. I'm telling you ... that a joke like ... "You know you're gay because you're a niners fan" wouldn't fly well with most gay people. The joke implies that gays and niner fans are the same thing and coming from a Hawks fan or any other fan who doesn't like the 9ers ...... it's meant in a most derogatory way. What does the word "gay" mean to you in that joke? I doubt it's anything positive.

Tailspin Hawk Fan wrote:Yes, bigger. Ask any gay. The guy that comes out and says ... "I hate gays" .... you know where you stand with him. The guys who pretend or *think* they accept gays and say ... I was just joking when I called you a f@&&#t ... its those guys who have NO CLUE and have no understanding that if you make a joke like that -- you've got some hate going on.

Dude, you seriously need to get some perspective. Calling someone a faggot is NOT a joke. It's not even close. Only way it can be is if it's an inside joke between two people who both "get the joke".

Calling someone a faggot is not what people are talking about when they are talking about making jokes. Things are more like "You know you're gay because you're a niners fan" stupid crap like that.

Sorry, I couldn't really think of any real gay-light jokes. I'm telling you ... that a joke like ... "You know you're gay because you're a niners fan" wouldn't fly well with most gay people. The joke implies that gays and niner fans are the same thing and coming from a Hawks fan or any other fan who doesn't like the 9ers ...... it's meant in a most derogatory way. What does the word "gay" mean to you in that joke? I doubt it's anything positive.

Yes, and I said it was insensitive, but if you can't see that a person can make that joke an not feel derogatory about homosexuals, then I don't know what to say to you. People can be insensitive and still not actually feel negatively about a class or race or sexuality. Personally, I'd much rather have to deal with people who are insensitive to an issue than people who truly have disdain for me

“You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time”