Thursday, July 11, 2013

A communication* has been issued from Thanet's revolutionary forces "The Peoples Assembly" centred in the hotbed of discontent and revolution Broadstairs, it seems that the fight back against responsible government has begun with a mishmash of the usual suspects having gathered in the town, no doubt to wallow in misery of the delusional mindset of those who believe in entitlement.

Entitlement being that irrational idea shared by large herds of the public sector employees and benefit claimants who feel that they have a god given right to a comfortable life style irrespective of economic reality, this being evidenced in the public sector by examples such as BBC executives helping themselves to unearned bonuses or local government officers involved in unsecured loans to foreign companies and not resigning or being sacked, and whether you like it or not those who have made welfare a lifestyle choice, such as those who are incapable of work through drug abuse, shear laziness or poor family planning.

Christine Tongue of the "Red Hall" seems to be a spokesperson for the apparently self appointed Thanet Anti-cuts vigilantes of the left who have formed yet another new group of Thanet benefits saviours, not sure what if anything they are doing is going to help those who are genuinely in need through disability or age but maybe these activists could contribute more by fund raising for charities or getting a job.

Last week Cllr Ian Driver was once again leading from the front, protesting at the Prime Ministers visit to Margate, frankly I think he would do better concentrating on his admirable work in exposing Thanet council officers and councillors for agreeing a multi-million pound unsecured loan to a foreign company without it looks, even having the diligence to get a credit reference, and shocking as it is no one has yet been sacked!

Clearly the majority of benefit recipients are honest deserving people, and some are clearly victims of Labour's term in office in which they not only deliberately undermined British working people by encouraging exploitation of East Europeans, failing to protect UK interests have left the Schools, Health Services, Defence and Law enforcement services under pressure.

I understand Hariiet Harman a member of the government that did so much to make spending cuts a necessity also recently visited the Turner Contemporary, for some reason local leftwing crazies didn't think it fit to confront her with a demonstration.

Those mindless morons who speak endlessly about "cuts" ought to take a chill pill and accept where the blame lies and its not with the banks, business or some grand conspiracy, the blame lies fairly and squarely with Labour's negligent time in office, when they failed to regulate the banks, failed to manage the economy, failed to get skivers off their sofas and failed to protect British national interest plumping for a Euro-blancmange we now inhabit.

Most of us just go to work, pay tax, and look after ourselves and empathise with those who need help, and accept the reality that you cannot fund welfare with a blank cheque.

Finally how many times do we have to hear the phrase "Its not worth getting a job", what the heck is that about, anyway reminded that David Cameron's visit was linked to the alternative energy industry and the London Array, how about this as an alternative energy source, why not build treadmills linked to an electrical generator, healthy claimants could maybe be asked to generate electricity say for four hours a day, five days a week, leaving them time to continue to apply for work and with a sense of contribution removing the stigma, Yes I know this will infuriate but what the hell!

*Bonkers PR release below (in my opinion)

PRESS RELEASE

JULY 2013

PEOPLE’S ASSEMBLY IN THANET BEGINS CAMPAIGN TO SAVE WELFARE STATE

The first meeting of the national People’s Assembly Against Austerity in Kent took place last week (Thursday July 4) in Broadstairs.

Over 140 people attended the meeting which was addressed by national figures in the People’s Assembly movement, including Jeremy Corbyn MP and Natalie Bennett, leader of the Green Party.

The speakers declared their opposition to cuts in public services and warned of the growing privatisation of the National Health Service.

One of the organisers of the meeting, Christine Tongue of Anti Cuts Thanet, said: “Britain’s public services are under attack like they never have before. Now everyone must come together to fight back. This meeting marks the beginning of that fight back.”

“The cuts are justified in terms of the financial deficit, but this is nonsense. The government is using the financial crisis as an excuse to push through policies they wanted to adopt anyway.

“The Welfare State was founded in 1945 when Britain was bankrupt after the war. People knew it was needed then and it’s still needed today.”

The meeting voted overwhelmingly to support a national demonstration to protect the NHS.

Another meeting to discuss local actions will be held on Tuesday August 6 at 7.30pm in the Red Hall, 11 Grosvenor Road, Broadstairs. More information from Christine Tongue on 01843 604 253. and 07989 070843.

55 comments:

And so it was that the austerity agenda led to the breakdown of society. Many of those who ran little shops and regarded themselves as the wealth creators found that their talent for creating wealth magically evaporated at the same rate as government spending reduced. Those who had devoted themselves to a life of poorly paid public service withdrew their labour in protest at the appalling treatment and abuse they received. Meanwhile, the billionaire fund managers, property speculators, bankers and politicians continued to cream off the country's wealth and stash it offshore. Whilst the remainder of the country tore itself apart, they emerged unscathed.

You may be missing the point. The Red Hall Massive are not interested in actually helping anybody. That is except themselves through their self indulgent and vacuous so called 'people's assemblies'. It makes them feel good, in a smug self regarding sort of way. Their antics are risible in the extreme.

Agree with both Tony's excellent post and John Holyer's comment. Whatever the contributory factors to the country's financial state, the hard fact remains that we are living beyond our means and the something for nothing culture has to end.

As for the Red Hall protest group, protest is what they are about and 'Stop the Cuts' is just flavour of the moment. On another day the same people will be protesting against the Broadstairs Community Centre, or a doctor's practice, or animal exports or mythical employment malpractice at Thanet Earth.

It is an anoraks and banners thing with the cause really a total irrelevance.

Allan I am smiling as I type this as you have written the comment I was about to post, just a little more eloquently. If only 140 people turned out from a population of about 134,000 it is very much in the minority but even minors can shout loudly.

Don't forget that the Red Hall hosted an anti-facist meeting a couple of weeks back, with Will Scobie giving an exhibition of how many times you could say 'the far right' in four minutes, and then the same folk screamed abuse at a lifeboat crew during their anti-Cameron demo.

Not only did they miss Cameron, by standing on the wrong side, but they evidently mistook the RNLI for some kind of facist police. You really cannot fault these people when it comes to making absolute clowns of themselves.

I saw the video of that Scobie speech, if you could call it that. It was more a collection of trite slogans. Will was merely reading what had been written for him by others. Those others who inhabit the fascist left. Will read it in a dull monotone. His delivery lacked conviction, as though he did not believe what he was saying. I suspect because Will knows that he is being manipulated by others for their own selfish ambitions, and that he would rather be somewhere else. His puppet masters are going to be in trouble on the day that Will wakes up and starts to think for himself.

The BBC Broadcast last evening "We pay your benefits" seems to have lacked research. One family said to be on £16000 per year gave housing benefits and rent figures. Yet going back to Ipswich LHA rates a year or so ago something don't add up.

If Grannie has a bedroom and is on DLA or Attendance Allowance and minimum pension guarantee plus a carer premium for her family caring for her that would make the household income from benefits about £31000. Since Grannie is a pensioner there is no deduction from housing benefits. So the shortfall in housing benefit may be because there is a working adult in the house (the prog didn't show us) a "Non dependant adult") or a recovery of overpaid benefits is in place.

Why good research is necessary is firstly will the benefits cap apply in due course reducing the household income to £500 a week. And don't the family by caring for their own save the country about fifty grand per year in care home fees ?

Another benefits recipient featured wasn't at home at 9AM for the TV meeting. He hadn't been there overnight. But his grandfather was there who lets him live "Rent free". So I would want to know whether the lad has a fictional bedroom there to keep his grandfather housing benefit topped up (Bedroom tax) or whether the lad claims housing benefit on grandads place and gets to keep the housing benefit. The working person paired with him could not understand how on £73 a week he had top of the range contract mobile phone and laptops etc.

ATOS needs sorting out. The people I know who have appealed against ATOS influenced DWP decisions have ALL won their appeal tribunals. The spin put on ATOS is to give the impression that all incapacity benefits claims are long term. In fact about a million are short term who will go off benefits when they recover. So if you stop Incapacity Benefits and call it ESA instead guess what ? A year later a million people have stopped claiming incapacity. Absolutely nothing to do with ATOS. Natural claim turnover.

I doubt either side (The Holyer trio or the Red Front) would promote an informed debate rather like the BBC

It is clear that the point of my posts has passed you by. I was not talking about benefits. Consequently, your reference to me is gratuitous. However, thanks for the mention. There is only one thing worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about.

Surely, 12:14, you are even more off topic and back to attacking other contributors rather than making any salient points. As an interested bystander, up to this point, most comments here seem to refer either to the austerity situation or the Red Hall promoted protests.

Do you have nothing to say on them shouting abuse at a lifeboat crew or picking the wrong side for their planned confrontation of David Cameron.

All those muppets who do all their spending on a credit card, are as guilty of burdening the taxpayer as the welfare class, pretty ludicrous when you consider that it is totally unnecessary, when you could just as easily use a debit card.

I wonder how many of those muppets complain incessantly about the infirm or otherwise unemployable cast offs getting a starvation allowance to feed themselves with, the bulk of that welfare check going into the pockets of private landlords and, assuming the property is linked to a mortgage, a fair slice going in interest payments to the banks.

How exactly, 23:17, does using credit, be it a bank credit card or store version, burden the taxpayer? If anything, using credit keeps the consumer spending up and fuels the retail sector thus helping, rather than hindering, the economy.

As for your private landlords dig, without them there would be even more homeless people and many people prefer to rent in the private sector than live on an estate.

Try not to judge all by your own standards or think we all share your jaundiced view of the capitalist system.

Now then, Farnie, I can see you have been somewhat bamboozled by the good ol' idiot tube, you really ought to get rid of that thing.

First off, we do not have, or ever have had a free market capitalist system in the UK, or at least not since the last renaissance. What we actually have is a rigged market, crony capitalist system, where everything is set up to benefit a select group of insiders.

I am actually very much in favour of free market capitalism, it is the only system that really works.

Secondly, I have no problem with private landlords, I was merely pointing out that the bulk of welfare payouts, due to the skewed, overpriced property market, actually bypasses the 'beneficiary' completely, and that he/she is expected to survive on a relative pittance.

And to answer your question - whenever a credit card is used, new fiat currency is created; the cardholder is requesting that a negotiable instrument, drawn on his treasury account, be converted into currency by the card company with which to pay the merchant.

The value of the negotiable instrument is then floated on the international credit markets in the form of a bond, and added to the national debt.

"But", I hear you protest, " I have to pay it back at the end of ther month!"

Actually no, by law, you have paid the merchant and the account should be settled. The card company pockets your 'repayment' as a fee for converting your negotiable instrument, but unsurprisingly, they keep that very hush-hush indeed.

All very fine but it does not change the fact that without credit the retail sector would collapse. Look around you, interest free credit, pay nothing for twelve months, up to four years to pay and buy now pay later are common come alongs in a range of stores. It is the only way they can shift their merchandise.

By the way, try not to talk down to people. We are not all thick or TV addicts as you like to imply and I really do not need lessons on how a credit card works.

You are a clearly of the fascist left. I have lived and worked in communist countries. There the Govt would lend and borrow money and play the markets. They did not, however, extend this privilege to the proletariat i.e anyone not in the Party. Who were expected to do what they were told. There was, however, a thriving buy and sell profit led sub-economy which ordinary people needed to survive. Communism collapsed. Have you ever asked yourself why? The west did not bring down communism. It brought itself down because it does not work. Never mind, anonymous muppet, play with your socialist notions, if it makes you happy. But ask yourself, is yours nothing more than the politics of envy?

We are now, as far as the ruling class are concerned, living under the world governance of the United Nations, via the European Union, whose policies are an expanded codification of the Communist Manifesto, which in turn was based on the millenia old intelligence of the Illuminati of plans for global domination.

According to historian Greg Hallett, the top administrators of the U.N. are K.G.B. ; who better to inflict global communism, or 'communitarianism' as it is now known, upon the population of the world?

Communism did not disappear when the Berlin wall came down, but rather, contrary to popular opinion, it spread into the West.

I realise this all sounds rather far-fetched to anyone who gleans their view of world politics from mainstream sources, but I can assure you that this is what is going on.

All utter rubbish, Anonymous Muppet, who, of course, is not really anonymous at all, but one of Rick's aliases. You spout from fringe magazine articles which are about as factual as the risky exposés in the average adult rag.

Calm down, Rick, or you will blow a gasket. There is no great conspiracy to do the people down, most of us commenting here are just ordinary folk, not gatekeepers or establishment trolls, and nobody is keeping anyone else in the dark.

You refer to evil bastards, presumably all of us who are questioning your theories here, yet we are the public, the majority and your us, is just you with your ill conceived conspiracy.

See you accuse me of being somebody else yet it is OK for you to post under sundry aliases. I think we see you for who you are, Richard Card.

I must say I'm quite surprised that my suggestion for the unemployed to power a treadmill connected to a generator and thus create an alternative energy source. Has met no opposition, although semi serious, I'm shocked that no one is incensed.

My apologies: it appears that you are not of the Fascist left, but are something else, of what I am not sure.

I have read your 10:30. You are saying nothing more than if a person borrows money from a third party to buy goods, then he must repay the lender with interest, and that the lender may sell this debt on to someone else. I suggest that this practice has been going on since time immemorial.

No John, what I am saying is that each and every one of us born in this country has a treasury account linked to our certificate of live birth, but because we do not claim responsibility of it by the age of seven years old, we are deemed 'lost on the seas of commerce', consequently the mafia banking system takes full advantage.

What I am saying is, that through our collective ignorance we are being scammed big time.

You have raised some interesting and scary scenarios which clearly need further investigation by you in order to save the future. I suggest that you also include an inquiry into why there is only one Monopolies Commission. And velcro, there's a rip off.

If your technology is so hot, 8:34/ Bluenote, why do you insist on calling me Rick, and more to the point, why did one of your mob feel the need to break into Tony's gaff and pinch his laptop, to get at the IP addresses?

Because you are Rick and, even without technology, only you would remember Bluenote from years gone by. As for the missing laptop from Tony's gaff (just love the mock cockney), not guilty. Don't need IP addresses when you can roll back the URL.

Interesting comment, John, for I recall many years ago in the army in the middle east, an Asian trader on our camp had a suitcase full of unpresented cheques, many of which were years old. When querying with him why he had never paid in a cheque I gave him for a camera I bought, he advised me that British cheques were safer than the local money and were used to trade within the Asian community. My cheque never appeared on any bank statement, so I got a free camera and the shopkeeper had a negotiable asset.

By the way, Tony, I am all for your treadmill and it should also be used in HM prisons to provide the power to light and heat the places. Tread or freeze would be a good motivation.

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