Moots; my version of the Affordable Health Care Act has the AHCA acronym. Not sure which version you're looking at. Maybe we're both being conned, heh? :)

T BEEK,Would be interested to know what you're reading and where you got your version. Via Google, I can't find a single reference referring to this law as the "Affordable Health Care Act" or by the "AHCA" acronym you quote. Nor can I find them referenced as a known Nickname or Acronym....

And as for all your "assumptions" as to what did or didn't happen in some back room meeting...One fact remains, without the VOTE, it's NOT LAW....PERIOD. And the fact remains, NO..NONE..ZERO REPUBLICANS voted for it.

My copy is from 2010. Like I said, maybe (likely) we're both getting conned. Perhaps our 'leaders' provide alternate versions just for disturbing the peace :laugh:………..My point is that it isn't quite as one sided as 'we;ve been led to believe. Deals were made behind our backs before the Bill was even presented to Congress….that's what we got. If we can look through the fog of politics for a moment it might be seen for what it always was. A gift to the Insurance Industry that provides nothing but profits from sick people.

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:embarrassed: OOooops, I must admit to being in error and humbly offer my apology. After digging around for a couple days I finally found my copy of the ACA, that's right, Moots was correct…this time :laugh: anyhow.

While the words on the cover refer to it as the Affordable Health Care Act, the acronym is in fact as Moots says…the ACA…..However, :laugh: :laugh:I don't see the words Obamacare anywhere……. :laugh: I wonder why no one, including me, never noticed that before and corrected me. Sorry for the slight distraction .

Can we go back to the 'real reasons' we have this law now and why I for one, believe it was doomed from the get go, and why we didn't get what the majority expected, accessible, affordable healthcare for all? 'Nit-pickin' the smaller details gets us nowhere man... ;)

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So you drag a young man from home by force or intimidation, "draft", send him into some godforsaken jungle to be damaged for life, then call his compensation a socialist handout? REALLY? I'm wondering about your 100% now. Was it physical, or otherwise?

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Like many from our particular era (add aging to old injuries) I have no bitterness from my experiences, only toward the 'system' that continues to put its people in harms way for the profits of the few. That's not meant to discredit how you feel about your experience, I would never do that to you or anyone. I'm just letting you know there is an 'alternative' viewpoint, probably many….as many as 2.5 million in our case, no?.

Lets just say I figured out who the real enemies (of the people) were/are while serving in Vietnam on behalf of the Military, Congressional, Industrial Complex and made the conscious decision there and then that I would "NEVER AGAIN" just accept such a wrong without a fight. As an old man my only regret is that I didn't do more.

But to answer; I have complex issues relating to both physical and mental injuries, but was still able to maintain employment for over 40 years after the 'event (s)'. I do spend time in a wheelchair these days and/or must use a cane to get around. I also spend time in regular 'rap' sessions with my brothers (God Bless them) and must complete regular 'check ins' with VA's mental health personal. Not sure if that's what you're looking for :? What 'are' you looking for iddee?

I;m looking for 'affordable, accessible healthcare for everyone. My THREE HOUR, ONE WAY drive to the MPLS VA is affordable but hardly accessible.

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"Trust those who seek the truth, doubt those who say they've found it."

""Like many from our particular era (add aging to old injuries) I have no bitterness from my experiences, only toward the 'system' that continues to put its people in harms way for the profits of the few.""

AMEN, BROTHER

""What 'are' you looking for iddee?""

Good question. More posts, maybe. Entertainment? Escape from boredom? I certainly don't expect to change the world on a bee forum. That's why I can laugh with you and others, or at you and others. I'm just passing my time in this place, "called earth", before I go to a better place.

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"Listen to the mustn'ts, child. Listen to the don'ts. Listen to the shouldn'ts, the impossibles, the won'ts. Listen to the never haves, then listen close to me . . . Anything can happen, child. Anything can be"