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Can the Cilan fans please calm down and can someone please answer what was said about Opelucid city?

I don't know what was said, else I'd tell you. XDDD

“...This is a tricky problem, huh. I really, really want to see the other Heroes... and if it works out, I want to make friends with them! If I made friends with six Heroes, I’d be an awesome mage! We could even conquer the world!”

Apparently the Gym in Soryuu City is closed. Iris was really pleased about not going there.

Originally Posted by The 4th Kira

I knew it. You're a Cilan stan. We discussed this topic before, and you claimed to be neutral, but I knew all along that you only cared about your fave, which is why you spent so much time defending him. So you'll have to forgive me if I disagree with your assessment; there was nothing lovable about him in this episode.

Nah, I'm just a positive person who never cares what the writers do with the show. I love all characters equally, it is just Dent stands out the most form me. The reason why I love Dent is because he makes me smile and laugh, nothing more nothing less. Plus I admire his optimism. But all in all every character I have respect for:- Iris, Satoshi, the rivals, I enjoy them all in their own way. And same goes for the Pokémon as well, but the one Pokémon who stands out the most for me is Satoshi's Mijumaru. So yeah there's one human who stands out for me from the rest and one Pokémon.

Apparently the Gym in Soryuu City is closed. Iris was really pleased about not going there.

Are you serious? The Gym is closed? Talk about cheap. I thought Ash would discover that the other Gym was closer or something, so he'd skip the Opelucid City Gym in favor of the other Gym. This new development just seems like lazy writing. It shouldn't upset me, but it does for some reason.

Originally Posted by Raptor_Crow

Nah, I'm just a positive person who never cares what the writers do with the show. I love all characters equally, it's just Dent stands out the most form me. Dent makes me smile and laugh. When a character has that effect on me of course I'll love them. It's like you with Mijumaru. Also I admire is optimism.

Please don't bring up Oshawott. I may like him, but I don't constantly talk about him; it's other people who keep bringing him up because they're obsessed with him evolving. And you can't seriously say that you treat everyone equally, when at the same time you admitted that Cilan stands out the most for you.

I have a feeling that iris is hiding something from ash maybe she know who the opelucid city gym leader is and don't want ash go to that city just like how misty almost did the same thing in season 1 i am guessing if the writer reuse that idea then iris is from opelucid city that what i am guessing.

I somehow think the fact the Opelucid gym is closed is going to become an important point brought up later. So I wouldn't get disappointed about that yet, for those of you who are.

Anyway, I really enjoyed this episode. I have decided, however, that all Connoisseurs are just plain strange. All of them. There was sniffing everywhere, and I was like, "I can't understand, what?" Cilan's probably the most normal of the bunch, and that's saying a lot, because he can be quite ... out there, sometimes. I think that's part of his appeal as a character though.

Originally Posted by The 4th Kira

Please don't bring up Oshawott. I may like him, but I don't constantly talk about him; it's other people who keep bringing him up because they're obsessed with him evolving. And you can't seriously say that you treat everyone equally, when at the same time you admitted that Cilan stands out the most for you.

Geez, I don't want to intervene, but just let people do their own thing. If Raptor_Crow wants to like Cilan, then let him like Cilan. Everyone has their faves, but there are many who find all the characters likeable. That's the vibe I'm getting from Raptor in this conversation.

I have a feeling that iris is hiding something from ash maybe she know who the opelucid city gym leader is and don't want ash go to that city just like how misty almost did the same thing in season 1 i am guessing if the writer reuse that idea then iris is from opelucid city that what i am guessing.

But that still doesn't make any sense on why she wouldn't be more happy that he wasn't going to the gym. I mean Iris knew what Ash was doing since day one. Collecting badges from gymleaders. So what would she think was going to happe, that he wouldn't want an eigth badge? I don't see why she would be nervous about him battle Drayden unless she was/is the gymleader. If not, than I don't see why she would care. He would be a gymleader like Brycen and all the others that they came across.

And I must say that I love all Cilan episodes. But this one had alot of stuff I didn't like.

-Cilan wining with the Snorlax bug. I was hoping for some more drama.
-Burgundy staying in the shadows.
-Cilan picking one of the most uglist Pokemon from the batch for the girl to have.
-The designs of the girl and the guy was just aweful.

But that still doesn't make any sense on why she wouldn't be more happy that he wasn't going to the gym. I mean Iris knew what Ash was doing since day one. Collecting badges from gymleaders. So what would she think was going to happe, that he wouldn't want an eigth badge? I don't see why she would be nervous about him battle Drayden unless she was/is the gymleader. If not, than I don't see why she would care. He would be a gymleader like Brycen and all the others that they came across.

And I must say that I love all Cilan episodes. But this one had alot of stuff I didn't like.

-Cilan wining with the Snorlax bug. I was hoping for some more drama.
-Burgundy staying in the shadows.-Cilan picking one of the most uglist Pokemon from the batch for the girl to have.
-The designs of the girl and the guy was just aweful.

“...This is a tricky problem, huh. I really, really want to see the other Heroes... and if it works out, I want to make friends with them! If I made friends with six Heroes, I’d be an awesome mage! We could even conquer the world!”

Geez, I don't want to intervene, but just let people do their own thing. If Raptor_Crow wants to like Cilan, then let him like Cilan. Everyone has their faves, but there are many who find all the characters likeable. That's the vibe I'm getting from Raptor in this conversation.

You misunderstand. I'm not saying it's wrong to like certain characters. I'm just saying that I know which character he prefers, so if we ever talk about Cilan again, I'll know what to expect from him. But you don't know the real Cilan stans like I do. You have to watch out for them, because they love to oppress characters like Iris and Burgundy. The latter character really needed some development in this episode, but she was used like a tool and then discarded. It's sickening to be honest. She could have easily had Pinot Noir's role, but instead the writers decided to create a new character and have Burgundy appear for the lulz.

You misunderstand. I'm not saying it's wrong to like certain characters. I'm just saying that I know which character he prefers, so if we ever talk about Cilan again, I'll know what to expect from him. But you don't know the real Cilan stans like I do. You have to watch out for them, because they love to oppress characters like Iris and Burgundy.

And hey have I ever oppressed Iris and Burgundy. No really have I? I enjoy Iris for her wild side, her ninja like skills, being able to understand the hearts of dragons and whenever she shows she's no less of a kid after calling other people kids. Iris has lots of unique aspects and I always look at those when I view her character, I can never understand those Mary Sue comments Iris gets. And Burgundy's constant raging at Cilan is just brilliant. I love how much she hates his composure and that she is unable to get under Cilan's skin, Cilan is always so nice and helpful to Burgundy and she hates it, it's fantastic. She pretends not to listen but does so anyway. Burgundy brings out the fun side of the rivals and that's why I love that girl.

Now I don't speak your 'language', but, from what I've gathered, a stans would also go out their way to defend their favourite character. Am I right? And well I've never done that, I never care about any negative comments Cilan gets because 1. I respect everybody's opinions and 2. as long as I love Cilan that's what matters to me. I really want Cilan to get character development - the reveal of his Purrloin phobia is still open up for that - and at the same time I enjoy everything the writers do with his character. When I said Cilan stands out for me it doesn't mean I don't like or respect every other character equally, it just means he stands out for me as in I enjoy his character a lot, that's it. In fact I can never actually hate anyone.

What's the point in giving Cilan rivals if they're jokes that have been reduced to old school Team Rocket status? What's the point of giving him a problem to overcome if he overcomes it with little to no difficulty?

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What's the point in giving Cilan rivals if they're jokes that have been reduced to old school Team Rocket status? What's the point of giving him a problem to overcome if he overcomes it with little to no difficulty?

What's the point in giving Cilan rivals if they're jokes that have been reduced to old school Team Rocket status? What's the point of giving him a problem to overcome if he overcomes it with little to no difficulty?

That basically sums up what a lot of people feel Cilan lacks as a character. He doesn't appear to have too much depth to him, doesn't struggle or seem relatable sometimes. Oh well, I'm just glad that despite all the hate for Pinot that people dumped on him for no reason the guy actually left on good terms with Cilan.

I liked the episode. Pinot Noir was super creepy but also hilarious (dat strut!) and it was nice to see Burgundy again. A solid comedic episode with an unexciting battle. Oh well, we all knew who would win that one anyway.

I didn't like how randomly Ash was diverted from the Opelucid Gym though.

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Why did they focus on Pinot Noir shaking his behind with that odd music? Seriously that was just disgusting.. but aside from that I wouldn't mind seeing him again he seems more entertaining than Burgundy.

I actually liked this episode even though it was mainly a filler, I know people are going start saying stuff like "we found out Ash is not going to Opelucid so it's not a filler" but personally, that was only a small part albeit a significant one so I'll just called it a semi-filler episode favoring the filler side...anywho, I like this episode, christle got to shine again and it actually showed the speed boost from shell smash rather than just the attack increase with an epic OHKO and we got to see Cilan dig into his knowledge of grass pokemon, his main type...however, the voice for that little girl just plain didn't fit...

I just realized something rather funny (or so) about this episode, despite it being focused on Pokémon Sommeliers Dent never once acted smug or over-dramatic with many sparkles like he usually does (heck Dent even got a short sparkly moment during the Pod episode). We never even got to hear "It's Tasting Time!" from Dent followed by Iris calling him "a pain", nope that role was given to Pinot Noir instead. In fact the only times Dent reacted in an over-the-top manner was when he freaked out at Choroneko and being all excited about going to Tachiwaki City with neither of those having anything to do with him as a Pokémon Sommelier. The only scene we saw near a drama moment from Dent was during his imagination spot, however it was the most laid back out of his imagination spots so far. I guess Pinot Noir was enough for a smug and dramatic Pokémon Sommelier.

Dent's composure is amazing, even though the sight of Choroneko caused him to quake in his shoes he knew he had to take the battle in his stride.

Found out after Pinot Noir sniffed Dent's hand Pinot told Dent he had an immature (which was literally a pun on grass-smelling) and unskillful aroma.