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The far end of both sides stand out since both are really screwed up for different reasons

Sure. Go too far to the right and you get race-hate, institutionalized bigotry, and people dying in the streets. Go too far to the left you wind up with single-payer health care and a living minimum-wage.

Neoliberals can't help punching left, can they? You'd think if they wanted the progressive vote, they'd put up a candidate who'd fight for a living wage, single-payer healthcare, and an end to the War on Drugs and for-profit incarceration.

Instead, they keep running as close to the right as they think they can get away with, and then blaming the left whose vote they just assume belongs to them.

I won't be bullied into voting your way. If you want my vote, earn it.

I honestly don't know. Seems to me if you're going to claim to represent the left, and if you expect the left to support your candidacy, you wouldn't call single payer "pie in the sky" and vow that it will "never come to pass." And yet...

That's a great question. The Constitution was penned in the spirit of enlightenment, founded on the bedrock of reason and self-determining government. We've reached a point where those who still hold true to the spirit of reason and a government that rules by consent are forced to share power with the willfully ignorant, who keep faith with nonsense untethered to fact, and represent an ever-shrinking minority who only hold power through gerrymandering and voter suppression.

I really don't want to vote third-party again. I'd love to be a part of a united left behind a democratic candidate to get Trump out. But if the neolibs running the party continue to "triangulate" and throw the left under the bus, I think I'm going to stick to my guns.

Trump sucks, we all agree, but if they want him out bad enough, it's time for neolibs to "hold their nose" and promise to fight for a living wage, protecting labor from outsourcing, single-payer health care, and an end to The War on Drugs.

Because its easier to blame the 2016 election on Berniebros and Rooskie Haxorz.

I just got out of a ridiculous arguement with a presumably neoliberal bully who totally denied any wrong doing by the DNC during the primary, no matter how many credible journalistic links I provided. They just kept saying, "Do you even read your own links? It says there was no wrong doing." It was trollish, frustrating and just the kind of anti-reason we've come to expect from the Reps.

Neolibs doubling down on failed policy. They've learned nothing from any of this.

As controversies surrounding the Trump presidency swirl, the Senate pushes forward a terrible health-care bill that no one except rich people wants. It's almost as if he was brought in to be the heel that would sign it.

I'm sorry. We're done, here. How can you say the article only says one thing, when the article says four things, and you know that? It's like the problem with Republican Senators, Health Care, and the CBO rating. How do you carry on an intelligent conversation with people who make up their own facts? How do we have rational interactions with people who would rather lie than admit they were wrong? We're doomed.

You didn't look at the link. The link is to a credible and journalistic abc report that examines four separate incidents (revealed in the wikileaks emails) in which DNC leadership took active and biased steps against the Sanders campaign in favor of Sec. Clinton's candidacy. Again, these are only what abc considered "the most damaging." Not an exhaustive reckoning.

Keep in mind these were just "the four most damaging things," there's more beyond this.

You're coming at this all wrong. I'd like to support the democratic party, but the DNC's behavior has soured me and many others. I'm asking what democrats are going to do about it, and you're getting mad at me for asking.

"Does that somehow excuse the Trump campaign from conspiring with a hostile foreign power to violate the law, then lying and covering it up for a year?"

No, of course not. Does the Trump administration's behavior excuse systemic corruption in the neoliberal establishment at the DNC?

One is being persecuted, the other is being ignored. I'm not pointing this out as a way to let Trump off the hook. I'm pointing out that if Democrats keep telling themselves they lost because Rooskie Haxorz, instead of engaing in earnest self-criticism, defining their own cause and cleaning their own house, they are going to run into the same problems they had in '16.

Is that going to be the right's counter-argument? You can find an example of a Democrat saying she "couldn't recall" almost a decade ago, so this administration gets to purjor sworn testimony and falsify official accountability documents at will?

Let's assume you're correct (and it's a big assumption, since the only reasonable comparison I can find is the Democratic president who purjored himself under oath. You know, the one impeached by the House?). Didn't your parents teach you that "Two wrongs don't make a right?" How do we move forward and hold government accountable from now on if either party can excuse criminal behavior by pointing at the other and saying, "They started it!" while they themselves willfully and precociously break the laws that the rest of us must abide by?

Yeah, Sec. Clinton was the ideal candidate, loved by all, and ran an absolutely flawless campaign. Her brilliant "Who needs white working-class voters, anyway?" strategy was foolproof. Her campaign promises to not fight for a living minimum wage, to continue the War on Drugs, and that single-payer health-care would "never come to pass" inspired the left to unite beneath her banners. She and the DNC --who selected her as the nominee years before the first primary vote was cast-- bear absolutely no responsibility for their loss.