The Honolulu Police Department has sent a series of letters to local medical marijuana patients that directly orders them to surrender their firearms or, presumably, face state sanctioned violence to remove them.

Signed by Honolulu Police Chief Susan Ballard, the letters “inform” patients that upon receipt of the confiscation order, a citizen has 30 days to turn over their guns to the police. This stunning move amounts to direct gun confiscation for people who have no history of violent crimes.

As Leafly noted, “The existence of the notices, first reported early today by Russ Belville at The Marijuana Agenda podcast, was confirmed to Leafly News this afternoon by the Honolulu Police Department.

Although federal law prohibits all cannabis consumers from purchasing firearms, this is the first time that a local law enforcement agency has “proactively” sought to confiscate weapons from state-registered medical marijuana patients.

Despite the law being confirmed in multiple federal courts, any rational human being knows that this is nothing short of tyrannical overreach by an overzealous police chief who most likely is against private gun ownership in the first place.

Literally no one in the history of marijuana smoking as specifically killed someone because they have smoked a joint yet people like Police Chief Susan Ballard are apparently so caught up in their own power trip that they are willing to use violent force to strip the legitimate Second Amendment rights of citizens who legally use marijuana for a variety of aliments.

Make no mistake, if a local resident in Hawaii refuses this order, you can almost guarantee that the next step is forced gun confiscation at the barrel of a gun.

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They’ve been selectively applying it for some time. While it certainly never sat well with the targets the places where its occurred has not generated great amounts of public disapproval. The cornerstone of confiscation is registration. Interestingly it can’t be applied against criminals because, get this, it violates the 5th Amendment (and it does) protection against self incrimination.

Haynes v. United States, 390 U.S. 85

The National Firearms Act of 1934 required the registration of certain types of firearms. Miles Edward Haynes was a convicted felon who was charged with failing to register a firearm under the Act. Haynes argued that, because he was a convicted felon and thus prohibited from owning a firearm, requiring him to register was essentially requiring him to make an open admission to the government that he was in violation of the law, which was thus a violation of his right not to incriminate himself.

In a 7-1 decision, the Court ruled in 1968 in favor of Haynes. Earl Warren dissented in a one sentence opinion and Thurgood Marshall did not participate in the ruling.

As with many other 5th amendment cases, felons and others prohibited from possessing firearms could not be compelled to incriminate themselves through registration. The National Firearms Act was amended after Haynes to make it apply only to those who could lawfully possess a firearm. This eliminated prosecution of prohibited persons, such as criminals, and cured the self-incrimination problem.

Kevin2, very interesting about that case. Never knew about it until now. All the same if the gun grabbers open Pandora’s Box they’re unleashing hell on themselves. Someone had better get their head straight before anyone dies from such stupidity.

It would get real ugly in great parts of the USA. For this reason they’re flirting around the edges. The goal is to condition the public into acceptance. Make shooting, owning and the like difficult. Scorn those that own and use guns. The fact is that they’re failing miserably with that endeavor outside of some urban domains.

Kevin2, rest assured they’ll continue to fail miserably outside of urban areas. I know damn well what my family and I will do to gun grabbers. They’d better stop flirting with it unless they have a death wish.

We’re somewhat fortunate that Europe has been a test bed for them. Banning guns and importing Africans hasn’t been a good mix. They’re perplexed in that a nation with largely a population from European stock hasn’t reacted to the same stimuli as their brethren in the old world. There, crime goes up and the people in a vain attempt to quell it turn in guns. Here in the US we buy twice as many. Each mass shooting, has upstaged the previous, encompassing kids, Churches, large crowds. So far its backfired with by and large the body politic wanting to carry in more places, everywhere. Brute force is far too messy and really counterproductive. They don’t know what to do so they in madness keep repeating the same thing over and over.

dont worry braveheart, the NRA will start a campaign to get everyone to require a background check then make a convientien app for your apple I phone to let everyone know how legal you are and what a good boy you are.

I work in a state that has medical marijuana. I tell people to watch out because THIS is exactly what they would try and do! Looks like the cat is out of the bag ehhh. Look for more of this happening. The fed has NO business telling states what to do with drugs. But then the states are incorporated under the USA corporation so thats how they do it. Watch the endless legal battles begin. Fook the feds, Fook the cops that go along with this shit too! How many people get murdered because the perpetrator was stoned???

take it a step into the freedom department. the state has no business taxing slaves property year after year or telling people to obey unjust laws created by long dead polititians from yesteryear. amerikans are rulled by dead people from history. all laws need to be thrown out every 20 years or so and that is called revolution.

Im getting my popcorn out and lawnchair so i can sit back and watch everything come apart, living here in this democrat run state im seeing everything building upon itself, crime rising, unfunded public pensions and medical plans, huge numbers of dependent illegal immigrants, fuckit, let it all come apart, when they come for my piece of the pie ill give em ashes

Got to note though, that this action is handed down from DOJ and Sessions, yes there are gun grabbing municipalities, but firearms laws stem from federal law, im not really a fan of any of it but have resigned myself to the fact thatbi may at some time need to go up in smoke because im not complying and im not just handing anything over no matter what the demand

The statement: “In the history of marijuana use, no one has ever harmed anyone after smoking a joint” is laughable. Almost all robbers, murderers and violent offenders are drug users, and their drug of choice is pot. No all pot users are offenders, but most offenders are pot users, with Meth coming in second.

As the victim of crimes, both ones carried out and foiled, I am tired of drugged up felons, blazing away on the drug of their choice. It’s well known, if you buy a gun you promise you are not a drug user, it’s part of the NICS questionnaire. If you allow stoners to own guns, I can deal with that, okay, might as well take my Libertarian-ism up a notch. But you gotta legalize open carry everywhere.

No; the letter was uncalled for. I don’t even drink, but if I had a gun in HW and I got such a letter, because I needed MJ because of a medical issue, the SHTF and would splatter badly. Some Chief would discover why you let sleeping dogs alone.

I believe that “Paranoid” was expressing an opinion. This forum is about opinions, is it not?
I also believe that “uncalled for” in this case means something close to “You’ve got to be kidding, she did what???” As a previous MJ smoker I can attest to the fact that overeating and falling asleep is more likely to happen with MJ than any kind of violence with any kind of weapon. This is very obviously a gun grab using the most tenuous of connections.

He is no mad man- you however are a coward to not stand up for your rights. This is an illegal order against peoples rights and justifies a like response the chief has threatened with. This IS the purpose for arms.

The police can come and try to take my guns, from my cold dead hands. since they demonized pot, they can demonized alcohol to. Many will be watching. If they start breaking down doors over there, taking guns, they will alienate themselves out of existence, and/or any authority. And we will draw, up our own letter.

I know a friend who has prostate cancer. He has kept it at bay for 3 yrs now using Alternatives. He has stage 2 agressive cancer. He has had NO conventional treatment. He just got a bone scan and MRI and it did not spread to his bones. He is next to try Hemp oil. They don’t drug test him at work, but only if he has an accident. So i hope he can take the hemp oil. I heard on the radio a man cured himself of p.ca using only hemp oil. He had severe late stage, and his psa was 700. Supposed to be under 4. Took hemp oil and
in 5 wks the psa number went down to 350. Then after a yr he was below 4 and doc said he was cured. He could not do the poison radiation or chemo or even surgery cuz doc said too late. So he stopped the hemp oil and cancer came back. Then he took again and it went away. He gave a web site, but i lost it. He was on Coast to Coast A.M. a month or so ago talking about his prostate cancer. I don’t remember his name. He said back before 1920 when hemp was legal all doctors carried a small bottle of hemp oil in their medical bag as it was good for a lot of ailments.

So the idiots registered their guns? First registration, then confiscation. Or they just sent out a letter to everyone who was on medical weed? So fk em. Turn in some plastic squirt guns and say this is all i own. Of course if they didn’t register, then gov doesn’t know they have guns, but if they use one they are screwed.

The good guys are winning, folks, and it will not be long before the last brainwashed slaves are freed from the Khazarian debt-slavery mind-control matrix and the criminals rounded up.

The Marine raid last week on CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia has yielded a huge haul of actionable intelligence, say Pentagon and other sources. “[U.S. President Donald] Trump is winning BIG, with Clinton-linked pedo rings busted in China as well as the Philippines, Africa, and Germany. Military tribunals and sealed indictments across the USA are approaching 4,000,” according to Pentagon sources.

This raid was made possible because Trump signed an executive order on October 20th to recall retired military to active duty in order to “take down the Bush-Clinton cabal, the Jewish mafia, and purge the CIA and FBI of traitors,” the sources say.

The sources say that during the November 18th raid on CIA headquarters, computers and documents were seized and as a result, “some 400 drug facilities were located and the U.S. military began bombing them in Afghanistan on November 19th.” They added that the bombed locations were labelled as the Taliban’s in order “to be politically correct.” In other words, they do not want the world to think there is a civil war going on inside the military-industrial complex.

In any case, “The Marines have proven once again that they are semper fidelis (always faithful), as this was not just a military operation but an intelligence operation, a psychological warfare operation, and the largest anti-drug operation in history,” the sources continue.

In addition to cutting off heroin money from Afghanistan, the cutting off of air flights and land connections to North Korea has stopped the flow of amphetamine money to the Khazarian cabal as well, according to Asian secret society sources.

The mass arrests and deportation of the MS-13 El Salvadorian gang who are hired killers for drug kingpin El Chapo, as well as a new attack on the Mexican and Colombian drug cartels, means cocaine money from South America is also being cut off. The ongoing legalization of marijuana worldwide has also cut off that source of Khazarian black money.

With CIA drug money influence drying up, the International Criminal Court is poised to prosecute the CIA and the Bush cabal for torture and other war crimes in Afghanistan as well as elsewhere, the Pentagon and other sources say.

Also, one of the largest corruption cases in U.S. military history has led to the investigation of 440 people, including 60 admirals—one third of the Navy’s top brass. The removal of these corrupt officers, mostly stationed in Asia, means the 7th Fleet is soon going to stop protecting the corrupt politicians in Japan, South Korea, and the secret Khazarian colony of North Korea. This will mean that U.S. arrests will be followed by similar arrests in Asia.

The Japanese criminals involved in the March 11, 2011 tsunami and nuclear mass-murder attack on Japan, fearing for their lives, have detained whistleblower and Gnostic Illuminati Grandmaster “Alexander Romanov,” aka Slasha Zaric, and confined him in inhuman conditions at the Hasegawa Hospital in Fuchu, Tokyo. The hospital phone number is 81-422-31-8600. Former Prime Minister Yasuhiro Nakasone, former Prime Minister Yoshiro Mori, the mayor of Koganei City, the Police Chief of Koganei City, and all other criminals involved in the Fukushima crime against humanity will be jailed and eventually executed unless they release Zaric and immediately hold press conferences to confess their sins. Their assets will be impounded and Zaric will be compensated for the harm that has been done to him, say White Dragon Society (WDS) sources. Of course, senior masterminds in the U.S., Italy, and Switzerland will also be brought to justice for these crimes.

Many top Khazarian mobsters like Bill Gates and George Soros have already been “taken out of commission,” WDS sources say. Next among the most prominent people expected to be taken down are Eric Schmidt of Google, Jeff Bezos of Amazon, Mark Zuckerberg of Facebook, as well as

**Nail them all hard and fast, sooner the better. Make America Great Again.

Its a no brainer that this would happen. It gets real tricky if someone in the home has a legal marijuana prescription while another legally owns firearms. What happens if one family member is convicted of a felony?

Kevin2, I would also hope that cooler heads will prevail in this scenario. But those gun owners have a legitimate right to self-defense if ANYONE tries to forcibly take their weapons or anything else they have. Whatever fool came up with this needs to cancel it before they get someone killed. Nailbanger and Rellik live in Hawaii and I already know what they’ll say.

I’m not justifying this draconian decision; I’m a Libertarian. I just look at things objectively if I can. Its unwise to let Uncle Sam know more than the absolute minimum if possible. It was inevitable that government would connect dots that literally are handed to them.

There’s, ours, everyones. The violence goes both ways. It touches the good, bad, perpetrator and innocent. They’re goal is to demonize those that were 60 years ago considered normal, the backbone of the nation. Its replacement, their polar opposite. The intent is to destroy the nation state. I look at it as mass political genocide. This is why up is down, down in up. Normal family bad, freak family with tranny good. They want chaos. They want things not to function effectively. They want the lunatics in charge. Out of this, a complete societal / economic collapse, the body politic will literally demand order. Thats when THEY step in and re-configure society to their liking. Stability, level heads, self reliance is their enemy.

Yes Kevin, it’s true. What they are doing is “social engineering”, destroying everything “normal” so that in the future the people won’t know what’s normal and what’s abnormal. They are screwing things up on purpose. For instance – all the feminists are witch hunting men who said something or touched a female many yrs ago, but it’s ok to send a man/transgender into the womens room, and in Britain i just read that it’s now ok for men who “feel” like a woman to take a shower in the little girls shower room! How screwed up is that? Men can’t touch a woman or say something to them, but it’s ok to send a man into a childs bathroom? SICK!!

K2, I wondered about that myself. I don’t smoke weed but I would suggest buying your stuff on the black market to avoid this crap. Same thing with firearms, buy private with NO registration. Registration and permits lead them right to you. What THEY don’t know won’t hurt YOU!

My personality doesn’t afford me the luxury of being in the shadows as I am outspoken (and it cost me $$$ in my career). As Kwai Chang Cane said on the TV series Kung Foo “A wise man walks with his head bowed low”. Translated in modern times do the minimum of interaction with government. My own grandfather drove a car since the mid 1920s and didn’t get a drivers license until the late 1950s. He never signed up for Social Security, never filled out an IRS 1040 “Why I’ma give government money”, he would say. Never paid one dime in income tax. It was like he didn’t exist. He was 100% cash on everything. Died in 1969 before computers. “Those were the days my friend, we thought they’d never end”. A self employed barber who retired at 52 and had money and friends who on occasion made the newspapers.

Snow ??? What’s is that ??? Although I have seen photos of it and 5 inch diameter snowflakes once swirled to the ground before melting one Christmas Day here in Phoenix, we don’t need “ZipGrip” to get home here.

Blame our great grandparents for allowing the State to take away our rights of access to natural plants and herbs. Now most people assume it’s always been that way and that there is something inherently “bad” with a plant.

hmmm. no surprise. the communists just needed a convenient reason, and the smokers gave it to them. this will have legs and go waaaY beyond just hawaii….but you brought it on yourselves by begging privileges from your masters. told you freedom wasnt free, but when all you do is take cheap words and slogans for granted and risked nothing for it, the day inevitably comes that you must fight for the freedom you never really had, or surrender any attempt to fight for it.. i dont see any fighters, so the answer is clear..

I do not violate any Federal, state or local laws.
I do not use medical Marijuana.
Only really stupid people register
their guns with the police which is required by law
in Hawaii.
Cops on my island really don’t want to fight that war.
I worked for a bit with a local police chief
after he had been removed for abuse of his office.
He explained to me, tell any officer coming to your
house wanting to see if you have your guns, that you
got drunk, was gambling and lost them all and you
don’t remember anything.
Nobody will push it further than that.
Moral of the story, don’t live on Oahu.
Don’t register your guns even if you do.
Don’t buy guns at gun stores in Hawaii, go
to the mainland and buy them there.

Thats what a bud of mine who is very involved in the NRA etc and watches the bullshit our legislature is doing told me to do, he said legally they cant do anything about parts and pieces,,, only a complete firearm, maybe they would take the receivers, his suggestion was to disassemble and stash watever you want to keep, i had to sell all of mine because i havent worked in a while, sold em all to buyers on the mainland

Well hell, I got some work for ya! Help me finish rehabing my plan C cabin! An old turn of the century cabin that is hidden well away next to a mine shaft. It is sooo cool it looks like something from a Led Zeppelin album cover. Room and board, all the whiskey you can drink, parts to send back, cash, hell you will probably want to stay lol. You can live in it and do odd jobs for people around there (big demand). I will set you up with everything you need. Not a tropical paradise but a big mountain paradise! Huge bull elk was bedding down there too. Gun friendly state and a lot of preppers. Git ‘er done!

Speaking of big ass elk, I was up at the cabin a while ago and was out cutting wood and I smelled dead animal big time. I kept smelling it (wind was blowing it to me) and I looked around. I went a little ways upwind and found a dead bull elk that had been scavaged to bits but had a huge ass rack on it! I took my chainsaw and cut the top of his head off and brought it back. This aint no average elk rack this set is BIG! I am going to strip it and carve it to shape and mount it above my door. The thing that pisses me off is I doubt it was a mountain lion kill. No lion would dare attack an elk this size. It had to be a wounded animal some fuckfaced hunter wounded and lost track. Hence I will put a plaque under it that says “If you can’t kill me, don’t shoot me”. Fuckin a-hole weekend hunters that can’t shoot past 100 yards taking pot shots at a majestic animal that is the king of those mountains and wounding it instead of a sure kill shot. That poor bull probably had suffered for god knows how long before dying. He was just below the pond so he needed a drink then finally gave up. THANKS you fuckin shitty assed no good, piece of crap hunters who need to pass a marksmanship course way before some stupid safety course! If I could I would gladly put those horns back on him if it would make that majestic bull live again. But it won’t so I will post a note to everyone to not be a POS and shoot only if you CAN kill. The rest deserve the same shit as they inflict, wounded till they finally die….

I don’t even hunt anymore. But I do target practice (have a 1 to 600 yd range). I have reloaded and practiced for YEARS to be good at that range. I accurize every rifle and shoot hundreds of rounds to get there. I learn wind and humidity and angles. Motherfuckin assholes shoot animals 9 times and can’t kill it? God damn that makes me mad! I want to do the same to them! I challenge these fuckers to a standoff. 600 yards you go first I go next. Kill me or I WILL KILL YOU!

In fact, I would make the qualification (minimum) a 5 inch group at 300 yds. And an 8 inch group at 600 yds. for so called long range hunting. Thats being generous too. No matter the conditions you have to do it! That alone would disqualify 85% of the punks that think they are hunters. I could whip the shit out of those standards, they are very liberal. Can’t do it? DON’T HUNT!

That is some really messed up ass shit. Wrong to do to any animal but especially such an amazing animal as a big, male elk! What a waste. The shooter deserves to have his nuts removed with no meds and mounted on the side of a big old mountain for all to see and learn a lesson. The average person makes me want to puke anymore, PERIOD.

I gotta say its real tempting, if i had a way to move to northern Idaho or thereabouts and could get my stuff moved i would do it, my biggest impediment is im flat broke! So cant even afford the plane fare let alone shipping my hardware,

You can bet the next time theres a democrat in the WH they will try for complete bans, congress is a lost cause and they are losing control, the bureaucracy knows they are also losing credibility, thats the best thing about Trumpster, he is kicking the walls and chasing all the roaches into the light, slowly but surely. The down side is they will do whatever they can get away with to subjugate we the people, its not if but when,

Whereas I agree that the government has not the right to confiscate firearms; I further feel that people need to get their collective heads out of their behinds and realize that marijuana is indeed a psycho-active drug. The 2 things need to be kept separate. I’m simply saying that if you are going to carry, to shoot, to fight, to defend – you need as clear a head as possible. I’d no more go to the range with a pot-head who was indulging than I’d go with a alcoholic who was drunk. And I’d sure as hell not want to have someone in a SHTF situation watching my back who was “ah c’mon man, it’s cool, chill out dude, everything’s copasetic”. For those who believe in some mystical healing power of cannibis, fine. But stay the hell away from me and your guns until you’re straight. No different than if you’re on some pain med or any other pharmaceutical that alters your mind.

I agree wholeheartedly, dope smokers or users are impaired, period. i dont even drink and make a point of not doing anything with people who drink,drug or otherwise, clear mind all the time, thats my biggest problem is i am not impaired or numbed down so get to observe and process and i dont like any of what i see beyond a very small fraction of the good.

Right, like stoned people are gonna go around shooting up the place. Fact is, aside from needing a gun for self-protection, you also need a gun to protect yourself from people trying to steal your weed.

Well duh what did you expect? Bottom line it is still a federal criminal act on the books. By signing a card for pot you have freely admitted to a felony. No trial needed, straight to the slammer. The constitution has not been enforced for decades. The question is how long till enough is enough? Keyboard commandos talk the talk. Walking the talk has yet to be demonstrated. How stupid of anyone that freely admits to a felony and expect the feds to turn a blind eye. With big pharma and corporations owning the federal government it is beyond naive to think states passing laws will be allowed to dethrone criminal pharma industry. The criminal corporations make BILLIONS of dollars every quarter to allow a cure that can be grown in the back yard is not going to happen. Just facts that not will change with out criminal tyrants being removed with deadly force and a population with a spine to take ownership of their GOD given rights.

Yep, had this discussion the other day about freedom and property ownership, you work and work to pay a mortgage and then you work and work to pay property tax, as soon as you dont pay they take your property, so what exactly do you own? IMHO,,,,, NOTHING.

I’m seriously worried about Susan Ballard. She is an appointed police chief in Honolulu. She is acting like she is Queen Susan, who should be addressed as “Your Majesty”. Perhaps a good mental health check-up to verify her mental stability. She reminds me of the Police Official(also appointed) in New Orleans during Katrina. He decided all guns should be confiscated on his authority.

If someone operates a motor vehicle while high on marijuana, then arrest him. If he/she is a regular medical marijuana user and is not high on marijuana, then we don’t arrest him or confiscate his driver’s license when he drives.

If you can show legitimate medical proof that marijuana use leaves someone with impaired mental capability, then we have a basis for talking about limiting the person’s access to a gun or to operate a motor vehicle. Otherwise, Queeen Susan should back off!!

“No person who is a fugitive from justice or is a person prohibited from possessing firearms or ammunition UNDER FEDERAL LAW shall own, possess, or control any firearm or ammunition . . .”

The only connection to gun confiscation I can see relates to marijuana – illegal under Fed law (legal under Hawaii law) which is the loophole.

Another Hawaii note: I have a relative who lives in Hawaii and I visit annually. In the local paper they post arrest info and I had noticed many arrests, like domestic abuse, shoplifting, and DWI, included an additional charge related to “terrorism.” I found that very odd – until I realized once a person is charged with any type of terrorism, if they are subsequently arrested they do not have to be Mirandized or have any other rights. Heck, they could end up in Gitmo!

So, are these people who are getting these letters banding together? Will they mobilize when their reconnaissance or their Militia units’ reports by signal gives them intelligence of an attack against a comrade? Are their fellow keepers and bearers of arms banding with them and drilling, even as cadres of mass-commanded household squads, block platoons, street companies, city battalions, county regiments and state corps of Militia to secure their free states from government rebellion and from federal foreign occupation? The Deep State’s drums of war against their staged fellow foreign “enemies” can be for the purpose of uniting their victims as their loyal subjects to quell the people’s defense against government’s own attacks against the would-be free people.

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