Comments on: My imaginary Hall of Fame ballothttps://mlb.nbcsports.com/2013/01/08/my-imaginary-hall-of-fame-ballot-2/
Baseball. Baseball. And then a bit more baseball.Thu, 24 May 2018 17:56:36 +0000hourly1http://wordpress.com/By: paperlionshttps://mlb.nbcsports.com/2013/01/08/my-imaginary-hall-of-fame-ballot-2/#comment-423479
Wed, 09 Jan 2013 12:58:56 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=282727#comment-423479Yes, Sosa was a far better defender than McGwire. But lets not act like they were similar hitters. McGwire was the far superior hitter with a 50 pt edge in OBP, a 54 pt edge in SLG, and a 34 pt edge in wRC+. Those are HUGE differences in offensive production…. larger than the differences in defensive value.
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Wed, 09 Jan 2013 12:17:12 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=282727#comment-423465Makes me thankful you don’t vote for the HOF….Craig, there is a book out there that might be of some help, I believe it’s called Baseball for Dummies…..
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Wed, 09 Jan 2013 06:27:54 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=282727#comment-423436I agree about those obvious juicers.
I think the fact that Craig put the word “Duh” in his comments on Bonds and Clemens says it all, even if I’m taking it out of context on purpose. I don’t care how talented they were prior to their steroid peak years, their careers are so massively tainted. It’s not like a guy took steroids for one year. Bonds may have been terrific as a Pirate, but all those latter years where he turned into the Hulk take him completely out of the running for me, forever. The man still won’t even admit anything, much less have any remorse. Yeah, Barry, we believe you when you say you hit 73 homers without juicing. Duh!
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Wed, 09 Jan 2013 05:43:30 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=282727#comment-423430Jim Presley actually kidnapped some children. Club had to play him until the SWAT team could find the kids.
]]>By: Michaelhttps://mlb.nbcsports.com/2013/01/08/my-imaginary-hall-of-fame-ballot-2/comment-page-2/#comment-423429
Wed, 09 Jan 2013 05:40:07 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=282727#comment-423429Well, we apparently can’t depend on commenters for intelligent statements, so Craig’s pretty much it…

Anyhoo – YES on Edgar Martinez. Pitchers are “one dimensional.” Ozzie Smith was “one dimensional.” Edgar only held the most hitting-dependent position on an AL roster and set the standard. Total hitter (power, average, patience). Loyal to club and fans, even while being criminally underpaid relative to market value. If he hadn’t suffered a career-crippling injury in the little-league infield dirt in Vancouver in 1993, his batting stats would make him the 9th-best offensive 3B of all time (plus he’d have an extra season of “counting stats”).

DH, smee-H. If he went on the free agent market in 1996 and earned eight figures a year winning World Series in New York with the exact same numbers, he’d have been a first-ballot HOF’er.

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Wed, 09 Jan 2013 01:46:07 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=282727#comment-423349Ok, I can’t let this slide. Where do you get evidence for Bagwell being a likely juicer? Seriously, where? There is absolutely zero credible evidence of this that I am aware of. I would love to see how you would take it if someone accused you of cheating in your profession with no actual evidence.

Its disgusting to me. I work very hard at my job and take pride in my work. If someone accuses me of cheating they damn well better have some actual concrete evidence.

“I don’t care if anyone took steroids, lied, or cheated. If their numbers were good enough I’ll look the other way.”

Your whole piece could have been reduced to 21-words. Far more efficient and would have arrived at the same conclusions.

Glad you don’t have a ballot because you lack a conscious.

]]>By: rmcd13https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2013/01/08/my-imaginary-hall-of-fame-ballot-2/comment-page-2/#comment-423323
Wed, 09 Jan 2013 00:07:36 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=282727#comment-423323I agree with you. Schilling is a way better pitcher than Craig is giving him credit for. I only remember him from his Diamondback/Red Sox late career, but the numbers show he was an excellent starter with the Phillies for many years as well. Schilling is an easy Hall of Famer before you even consider his post-season numbers. Give him a post-season bonus and he becomes an inner circle Hall of Fame starting pitcher.
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Tue, 08 Jan 2013 23:53:56 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=282727#comment-423319I get the whole “DH exists so you can’t penalize the player for not playing any defense” side of the coin. But doesn’t that mean you have to also turn a blind eye to the horrid defense of many other players who did play defense and hit well even though they only possess the defensive abilities of a DH? Not saying its a bad way to look at the voting, or wrong. I’m just saying the DH inclusion may be an unfair advantage over chunky OF’S and 1ST basemen.
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Tue, 08 Jan 2013 23:27:26 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=282727#comment-423306Good ballot. My one change would be Schilling for McGriff. I hate Schilling beyond any reasonable measure, and that type of hatred is reserved for the great.
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Tue, 08 Jan 2013 22:59:28 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=282727#comment-423294Still better than the 5 minutes most actual BBWAA voters spent on their actual ballots.
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Tue, 08 Jan 2013 22:29:34 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=282727#comment-423280Babe Ruth injected himself with sheep testicle extract. There’s evidence that many of his contemporaries did the same.
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Tue, 08 Jan 2013 22:12:20 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=282727#comment-423261I’d go with eight out of your ten – leaving out McGwire and Martinez – adding Palmeiro and Schilling.
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Tue, 08 Jan 2013 22:12:05 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=282727#comment-423259A lotta hard hitting analysis there. thanks for taking the 15 minutes to throw that together Craig. I suppose it’s an improvement on the zero original content we usually get daily
]]>By: Lukehart80https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2013/01/08/my-imaginary-hall-of-fame-ballot-2/comment-page-2/#comment-423256
Tue, 08 Jan 2013 22:09:07 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=282727#comment-423256Craig, you that Sosa’s peak was “really something to behold,” but that Lofton “didn’t have the kind of peak I like to see in a Hall of Famer.”

By the peak component of JAWS, Sosa scores 42.2 WAR, Lofton 42.0.

Of course that’s the only way measure of peak, but this seems like another case of Lofton being sorely underrated.