after an issues in the past with aptosid.de, now what happened in this thread was the point for me to make a decision.

Aptosid is a great distribution. I did and do enjoy it very much and I have learned a lot here. Many thanks to all of you for this.

I have accepted the forum policies when I have created my account. But now I can't understand and -this is the leading point- I can't accept the decisions made by members of the team anymore.

So in consequence I beg a moderator to delete my account or set in inactive, whatever the procedure is you prefere.

greets
ayla Sad

so, what is wrong with this thread?

greetz
devil

gerd

Post subject: RE: thread quarantined! Posted: 10.06.2011, 20:24

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Serious question?
I'm not a team member but i had deleted it too.
Where is the point, where is a concrete point she critizes? Where is at least one point that can be answered? Which tean decision(s) she talk about?

So i see the only sense to start a flame war.

devil

Post subject: RE: thread quarantined! Posted: 10.06.2011, 20:40

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did you read the (closed) thread ayla was referring to?
ayla was around for years, always constructive and helpful.
i am sad, he left. i am astonished, that threads with the slightest criticism (even just explaining why he leaves)are removed from the public.
but slam just told me on IRC, its not my business, because i also left the team (not the distro)
but users dont count. so, if thats ok with you, fine. its not for me.

greetz
devil

gerd

Post subject: RE: thread quarantined! Posted: 10.06.2011, 20:55

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As there is no link in your and aylas text, i don't know which thread you are talking about. Do you have a link?

thx for the link. i see the problem. and so i can understand aylas post now.

xetaprime

Post subject: RE: thread quarantined! Posted: 10.06.2011, 22:36

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OY! Earlier I posted a short 'what was so bad' post that they would lock Remastersys for 'personal attacks'. Before reading this-here I logged in and removed my post as I'm not a good whiner (fingers crossed behind my back) and then read your post :0 Was the Remastersys thread the last straw for Ayla?

If so, Idk, I just am sad too. I didn't come here cause any bad vibes but from the posts in my thread I gather the 'team' can get heavy handed? I haven't read many previous threads yet. I tried Aptosid a few times and loved it's speed and I'm not even sure why I didn't stay with it. I know the last time was because I couldn't install emodules-all and at the time had not learned how to svn anything.

I feel like I should say I'm sorry. But as I wrote in the post I removed, I've been to enough forums where I've settled in and things have gone wrong- and they do affect me. Even hurt because I build friendships and form bonds (sigh).

All I can say is I wish everyone a happy Linux journey. I wish after all this time it was more user friendly to those who have no clue about a command line so they too could experience Linux without such a learning curve and that's off-topic

okay then

devil

Post subject: RE: thread quarantined! Posted: 10.06.2011, 23:08

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dont worry, its none of your fault.
remastersys is not a good tool, but it took you where you wanted to go.
remastersys is re-mastering, pyfll is mastering.
aptosid is technicaly great, social skills are lacking a bit.

aptosid is kickin butt, which is the one reason for why I kept working and making efforts to keep it my main OS, even though Arch was close to replace it.

And how could I contradict, I unfortunately have to agree with devil, ways on how to face users in here appears to me a style I have to wonder and shake my head more and more as time passes. slam, what has changed over the last years that made you meanwhile apparently act like one of those cold-blooded lawyers that only peek at profit?
I am not aiming for trolling, just I am bewildered!

se7en

Post subject:Posted: 11.06.2011, 01:26

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I guess the only thing one could say did wrong is corner "the team".

Quote:

If I may ask, how are you legally responsible for a link posted by a forum member when it is clear that the distro is not an Aptosid release and you've made it clear you don't support it?

To question the last resort "legal issues" is not a good idea especially if it can't be answered.
I am sorry but people leaving has become quit common in this forum. Maybe one good question would be why.

Ayla's one great poster and its a shame he's left. Very good point devil, I don't get it why xetaprime also was being attacked for his choice of tools and you did make a good point about using pyfll but he didn't know where to start. Xetaprime wanted to make a remaster of aptosid and he wanted to do it right so why was he attacked? The insensitivity on the staff's part just showed that they don't tolerate anyone looking to improve aptosid or make a better derivate of it. All xeta wanted was to do the project right and not step on a lot of toes that's why he was asking questions on how to go about his project.

The legal issues would be covered if xeta asks for permission for artwork and such and also provided the sources for all the components as well. Also giving credit to the aptosid team and any contributors to his project will also fulfill the legal requirements. So what real legal issues are there aside from these? As long as xeta abides by the GPL and gives credit where its due he should be in the clear. In fact he wasn't intending to share his work just was doing this as a little side project.

EDIT: Concur with phen that aptosid's a solid distro but the people behind it are not quite a social group. From what I been reading there has been no personal attacks on the staff just constructive criticism.

did you read the (closed) thread ayla was referring to?
ayla was around for years, always constructive and helpful.
i am sad, he left. i am astonished, that threads with the slightest criticism (even just explaining why he leaves)are removed from the public.
but slam just told me on IRC, its not my business, because i also left the team (not the distro)
but users dont count. so, if thats ok with you, fine. its not for me.

greetz
devil

I agreed with you.I woudn't like to judge anyone because It's not easy to be either a moderator nor an administrator. But I haven't seen any motive to be quarantined that thread by chance.
cheers.

It is not carved in stone that aptosid users can only communicate with each other about aptosid on the official forum.

If there was a lot of support for a more informal, unofficial forum, which would allow the topics to digress into "unsupported" subjects and configurations, then I don't think it would be a huge problem to set it up. I'm not personally proficient with forum software, but there are very cheap hosting services out there, with servers located in less hostile territory, and I would definitely be a financial supporter if others were willing and able to make technical contributions. Of course, there would still have to be rules to enforce compliance with anti-piracy and outright illegal activities -- meaning there would still have to be moderation. I would be willing to do that, too, if there were others equally willing.

My two cents' worth.

DeepDayze

Post subject:Posted: 11.06.2011, 14:16

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dibl wrote:

It is not carved in stone that aptosid users can only communicate with each other about aptosid on the official forum.

If there was a lot of support for a more informal, unofficial forum, which would allow the topics to digress into "unsupported" subjects and configurations, then I don't think it would be a huge problem to set it up. I'm not personally proficient with forum software, but there are very cheap hosting services out there, with servers located in less hostile territory, and I would definitely be a financial supporter if others were willing and able to make technical contributions. Of course, there would still have to be rules to enforce compliance with anti-piracy and outright illegal activities -- meaning there would still have to be moderation. I would be willing to do that, too, if there were others equally willing.

My two cents' worth.

That's what I thought the "Scripts and Dragons" section was for...to discuss experimental and unsupported things in an environment that's not threatening. As long as the basic rules of the site are respected there should be rational discussion allowed there about new things that aren't exactly supported by the aptosid team