Daryl wrote:I take my hat off to you Peter. Steadfast and fighting to the end.Looking on from a distance this circus is entertaining, I just hope he doesn't do something permanently stupid and serious.I know that Australia doesn't rate despite supporting US military adventures more than any other country, but to have Trump's latest dismissal of the phone call scandal between us as being "At least it wasn't with anyone important" hasn't gone over well. Even our conservatives are talking about reconsidering our automatic military support.

How much of that call was problematic because of the release of the details of the call? If so, why is this the President's fault? The jerks leaking the information are at fault. As for the content of the call? Accept your own refugees rather than sucker Obama to agree to terms President Trump has to honor.

I am glad you are entertained. All of us have to enjoy what small favors we find.

Love the 3 ring circus. In ring #3 is the media that still hasn't figured out Reagan and Shrub taking on The Donald.

In Ring #2 is the comedic magicians distraction team of Spicer and Conway. being loyal henchmen repeating the lies ad nauseum to keep the true believers spellbound and the non-believ ers agitated.

And in the Center ring are Gcomeau and PeterZ keeping us entertained with their version of Duelling Banjos.

Bravo, Bravo, Bravissimo.

Did we forget the feud between Bill Clinton and Obama that ended up around page 14 of the New York Post? Seems Hillary was called into the Oval Office and handed the Party Line on Benghazi. She went out like the team player she always wanted to be and took one for the team. Then Obama threw her under the bus.

when your numbers are sinking and you have an election to win,always dust off the old chestnuts, attack communists, only the communists are dead so make enemies out of the liberals. Attack the chief Liberal: Hillary Clinton. +Don't ned fcts don't need any logic, just keep a steady torrent of lies half-truths and innuendos and eventually people believe that the faux smoke is hiding a real fire. Tell a lie often enough and people fervently believe it.

NEVER challenge person's delusions, it makes them angry and very unpredictable.

A couple of quiet real facts, easily verified here on this very forum. I didn't comment on the "Telephone call" or whether it was Trump's fault it went pear shaped, I commented on Trump's cavalier dismissal of the call to arguably the US's most steadfast supporter as "not with anyone important". Not false facts saw it myself. As to the actual content of the call now. We weren't asking the US to "accept our own refugees", but to swap them for "your own refugees". Personally I believe it was a stupid political face saving agreement on both sides, but, honour your deals, don't try to weasel out, not our concern if you have changed leaders.Lastly I was polite and complimentary to you, and you chose to throw it back rudely at me. Not helping my even handiness in this discussion.

PeterZ wrote:

Daryl wrote:I take my hat off to you Peter. Steadfast and fighting to the end.Looking on from a distance this circus is entertaining, I just hope he doesn't do something permanently stupid and serious.I know that Australia doesn't rate despite supporting US military adventures more than any other country, but to have Trump's latest dismissal of the phone call scandal between us as being "At least it wasn't with anyone important" hasn't gone over well. Even our conservatives are talking about reconsidering our automatic military support.

How much of that call was problematic because of the release of the details of the call? If so, why is this the President's fault? The jerks leaking the information are at fault. As for the content of the call? Accept your own refugees rather than sucker Obama to agree to terms President Trump has to honor.

I am glad you are entertained. All of us have to enjoy what small favors we find.

She emailed her daughter the Benghazi attacks were al Qaida like. That requires planning. She emailed her daughter the night of the attack. She told some of the relatives of the folks that died in Benghazi the video was responsible for the attack and the death of the US personnel. That happened 3 days after the attack. One day later we confirmed that an al Qaida splinter group claimed responsibility for the attack. In a statement no longer on the State Dep website, Clinton mentions the video but does not claim it was responsible for the attack. The statement was posted after the private meeting with the relatives of the victims.

Proof that Clinton lied? No. But she suspected the truth from the beginning. She said nothing while Susan Rice promulgated those lies to the American people. Was she responsible for Rice's lies? No. She was not. She was complicit in perpetuating falsehoods she knew was false regarding the deaths of American citizens.

As I said I am morally certain that Clinton lied to the relatives of the attack. She was complicit in perpetuating similar lies made by the administration. All in all I am morally certain she lied about what happened at Benghazi in either of these two ways.