Arsenal rumours 16259

23 Jul 2017 09:56:06
Lots of conflicting info out there at the moment and its hard to siphon through the bs with regards to our club.
Someone is showing serious interest in Sanchez one minute, the next Wenger is moving to say he's going nowhere. Next minute he's looking for one hundred thousand per week extra on top of the already obscene amount he's been quoted as seeking and then finally its reported he was never in discussions and is still in Chile. I mean how do you begin to believe any of it, not least Wengers comments of him not being sold to anyone with his track record in the past.
Ox is similar, he's moving to Liverpool, he's moving to city (to presumably play carling cup) or he's moving to chelsea to warm their bench.
So ed 002 I have a different question for you and its this; allowing for the fact that vermin agents will leak misinfo and certain clubs like ourselves are wide open to click bait and hysteria surrounding fake transfer news, how is it that sports journalists can continue to operate at this level whereby there no longer has to be a link between the integrity of signing their name off on something and legitimate honest reporting not centred around insighting the masses of a certain club and absolute downright lies?
The media label it silly season and they should know, theyv made it so. I get the competitivness between rival outlets and the almost drug addict need they have to have an 'exclusive' but there's none of them with a shred of credibility at this stage, how has this replaced good journalism and if people like you and the other eds can relay sound information, even if it doesn't always develop into signed contracts at the end, then why can't these absolute frauds do their jobs and hope that their work is good enough to stand up on its own instead of all this contrived bullshit and double meaning headlines with nothing relevant in the article. Sick of it.

{Ed002's Note - It is a good question to ask and perhaps I can offer an example of "unsubstantiated journalism" this morning.

The true sports journalist is still out there - they will have good relationships with certain clubs and with many of the intermediaries (agents/representatives) that there are out there. Often they will get on well with certain players. These folks will not always get it right, but they should be able to more often than not confirm where there is interest in players and broadly what progress is being made toward agreeing any sort of contract that can see a transfer happen. However, with the world changing due to social media, Twitter, Blogs, Facebook and a whole host of new and often transient web sites that provide up to the minute breaking news and blow-by-blow accounts. The true sports journalist will take this with a pinch of salt, but others (I would never use the term but oft referred to as the writers of “lazy journalism” do). And the example is indeed Arsenal related (well sort of). A player who Arsenal were expected to make an offer for this summer, Naby Keita, has been reported as being subject to an agreement to join Liverpool for £74.5M overnight Friday/Saturday with the news breaking last night. The report has been picked up and is being repeated from the original source (Winner Sports) with compelling headlines from the Star and the Express. I am not a reader of the papers, well not the English press, and I had not heard of Winner Sports. So a quick check of their web site and it seems to provide links to gambling we sites, which seemed odd - just as odd as providing a price in GBP as opposed to Euros. So, where are they based? A quick check of their address of "22 Fleet St London EC4Y 1AA" (ignoring their @gmail.com" contact address) and suddenly there is a hint: Ye Olde Cock Tavern on Fleet Street – how apt. As an aside Arsenal don’t see the value in Naby Keita at anything like the figures being thrown around.
So as you suggest, there is a blight out there and this blight exists with the new style of reporting that is coming out of social media – the purpose of which really seems to be a place where you can keep in contact with old school chums, chaps you were incarcerated with and sharing photographs of your breakfast. Many football supporters are desperate for transfer news and will follow the slightest hint of their club buying a player like lemmings, believing every word they read. Where rumours persist of a player potentially leaving the club we get screams of “unsellable”, “he’s worth £100M” and “let him rot in the reserves”.

So what you need to do is find the remaining true sports journalists who won’t give blow-by-blow accounts but will be able to tell you, in most cases, where there is interest in a player. They won’t always be right, they won’t always have the sensational headlines; but they do offer up decent information.}

23 Jul 2017 11:18:37
Which is why this site is my first stop each morning and why I particularly enjoy reading through the other clubs pages.
To be honest i'm not obsessed with my football club spending obscene amounts of money on players just for the sake of it, what concerns me more, and has done for years is the day to day management of this club and how slow they seem to be with identifying and dealing with any problems unless money related, but that's a whole other conversation with many talking points.
I get that there are and have to be some good writers and reporter's out there who live off their reputation and integrity in order to get where they are or want to be but it seems so many now refer to unsubstantiated or second hand accounts from sources with agendas that don't necessarily lend themselves to honest reporting. if i'm honest it seems editors are encouraging this war of misinformation and sensationalism to just purely drive whatever medium it is their peddling it through and its creating an unhealthy understanding and realism for anyone willing to buy into and then debate it, I sense youv had a few of these debates yourself when having to answer to idiots second guessing things you or other eds have been good enough to relay.
Would you and your fellow eds not be better served writing your pieces in another form that is more informative than responsive to the likes of myself and fellow readers whereby youd be less susceptible to the opinion of ungrateful idiots deliberately trying to provoke a reaction and where you could gain a larger following? . as I've noticed before some bloke has even dedicated a facebook page in your honour previously. just a thought as this site must be time consuming as it is so would another platform not serve you eds better to get the points across and in turn create a base of loyal readers and followers as opposed to these trolls who only need one second to have the info were looking to hear restricted? . not trying to do away with the site we all love so if you get what i'm asking then alternatively do any of you write elsewhere in detail?

{Ed002's Note - Not them but that is a question they need to think about.}

23 Jul 2017 20:23:08
Ah, iv got you ed. were talking about Mbappe to Real with Asencio plus 70M to Monaco, and Real will then except our 70M bid for Benzema, it will just be a matter of agreeing personal terms and then offloading Gibbs, Chambers, Debuchy, Walcott, Giroud for the inevitable arrival of Mahrez as a second option to Lemar who won't be sold. Gotcha.

24 Jul 2017 16:26:38
Ha ha. the Cock Tavern on Fleet Street is one of my lunch time locals. next time i'm in i will look out for the 'Winner sports' table! To be honest all the lies don't really matter when you realize its just the football pages, but the real worry is that those same lying scum are also doing it on their front pages.