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Um, what? When I started playing there were only a couple of valid ships per class. Hell if you flew any frigate other than a Rifter you were pretty much retarded.

I'm sure there are plenty of min/maxed setups, but now tons of ships are actually viable depending on the situation. But more importantly it is much easier for people to test, share and perfect ship fits. How is that a bad thing? What EVE really at its best when MY RAVEN WAS FIT WITH THE FOLLOWING?

There are still plenty of dudes engaging and tearing apart defense fleets. You just can't roll into someone home system in a nano gang and get mad if they undock a fucking arty cane fleet to get rid of you.

Um, what? When I started playing there were only a couple of valid ships per class. Hell if you flew any frigate other than a Rifter you were pretty much retarded.

I'm sure there are plenty of min/maxed setups, but now tons of ships are actually viable depending on the situation. But more importantly it is much easier for people to test, share and perfect ship fits. How is that a bad thing? What EVE really at its best when MY RAVEN WAS FIT WITH THE FOLLOWING?

There are still plenty of dudes engaging and tearing apart defense fleets. You just can't roll into someone home system in a nano gang and get mad if they undock a fucking arty cane fleet to get rid of you.

When I last played the variety still wasn't there. Sure you could play a buffed Deimos, but why not play a Gila of either the buffer or ancil variety and do everything better. Ditto with Orthrus and any competitors like cynabal, zealot, vagabond.

The only area where variety actually improved were the frigates and destroyers. But those were meh at best for me. Never liked frigate oriented combat

Um, what? When I started playing there were only a couple of valid ships per class. Hell if you flew any frigate other than a Rifter you were pretty much retarded.

I'm sure there are plenty of min/maxed setups, but now tons of ships are actually viable depending on the situation. But more importantly it is much easier for people to test, share and perfect ship fits. How is that a bad thing? What EVE really at its best when MY RAVEN WAS FIT WITH THE FOLLOWING?

There are still plenty of dudes engaging and tearing apart defense fleets. You just can't roll into someone home system in a nano gang and get mad if they undock a fucking arty cane fleet to get rid of you.

When I last played the variety still wasn't there. Sure you could play a buffed Deimos, but why not play a Gila of either the buffer or ancil variety and do everything better. Ditto with Orthrus and any competitors like cynabal, zealot, vagabond.

The only area where variety actually improved were the frigates and destroyers. But those were meh at best for me. Never liked frigate oriented combat

Frigate oriented combat was serious fun in Red versus Blue, but beyond that the kill curves pretty much negated room for it outside of very specific niches.

Um, what? When I started playing there were only a couple of valid ships per class. Hell if you flew any frigate other than a Rifter you were pretty much retarded.

I'm sure there are plenty of min/maxed setups, but now tons of ships are actually viable depending on the situation. But more importantly it is much easier for people to test, share and perfect ship fits. How is that a bad thing? What EVE really at its best when MY RAVEN WAS FIT WITH THE FOLLOWING?

There are still plenty of dudes engaging and tearing apart defense fleets. You just can't roll into someone home system in a nano gang and get mad if they undock a fucking arty cane fleet to get rid of you.

Not to mention that there were whole classes where there wasn't much viability.

And races. Oh, you rolled Caldari? Good luck trying to get the FC to welcome you into the fleet with anything until you've trained into Falcons. And then not much after that either.

While Drakes where initially considered laughable by most, pirates like Tiller welcomed them right from the offset since they could tank gate guns all day with no fucks. I can't remember when they became accepted as good doctrine ships but they have proven almost as un-nerfable as Domis.

While Drakes where initially considered laughable by most, pirates like Tiller welcomed them right from the offset since they could tank gate guns all day with no fucks. I can't remember when they became accepted as good doctrine ships but they have proven almost as un-nerfable as Domis.

What? They've been nerfed at least 3 times and Drake fleets are a memory now.

While Drakes where initially considered laughable by most, pirates like Tiller welcomed them right from the offset since they could tank gate guns all day with no fucks. I can't remember when they became accepted as good doctrine ships but they have proven almost as un-nerfable as Domis.

What? They've been nerfed at least 3 times and Drake fleets are a memory now.