Hip-Hop’s new race issue

For the first time in my life, I feel almost entirely disconnected from youth culture. About a week ago, I watched as some group called Panic! at the Disco, whose video I hadn’t even seen, took home all of the big awards at this year’s VMAs. And it occurred to me that there could be any number of other such groups that I’ve never even heard of.

Here’s the thing: I’m aware that this could be a case of MTV purposely favoring some relatively obscure emo group because they feel like this could finally be their chance to bring back the rock, such as it is. They were never quite comfortable with hip-hop’s commercial dominance anyway, since, as us hip-hop bloggers are slowly beginning to learn, who the fuck wants to advertise to a bunch of black kids anyway? Black people don’t even use Noxema!

I’m sure they’ve been waiting for this moment ever since the days of Super Rock, when they would play a buncha Beastie Boys videos alongside whatever shitty grunge rockers hadn’t alread OD’d on heroin at that point. Holler at the lead singer from Better than Ezra, who I’m sure will outlive us all. In retrospect, Hole and Marilyn Manson’s joint performance at the 1998 VMAs, which kicked off their ill-fated tour of that year, was probably their last shot up until just now.

Not to relive my senior year in high school, but as I recall, this was right around the time when Jay’s Hard Knock Life and OutKast’s Aquemini hit stores. The OutKast album was a huge critical favorite and kicked off eight long years of people pretending that they were much better than they actually are. And Hard Knock Life did even better than it, commercially at least. Courtney Love, meanwhile, hasn’t been the same since. She even had to sell off some of Kurt’s publishing to pay her dealer.

It occurred to me the other day, while I was writing the story about the Roots’ latest miserable failure, that this current sea change in the world of commercial hip-hop must have some sort of racial element. If you notice, the kind of hip-hop that’s bearing the brunt of this current decline is usually the kind typically favored by cracka-ass crackas. Would weed carrier Young Dro have sold much more or less than 100,000 copies his first week out any other year?

It’s common knowledge, meanwhile, that the Roots rely on cracka-ass crackas the same way that Cadillac, Nike, and the malt liquor industry rely on black people. It’s too bad Soundscan lacks the technology to track the race of CD buyers, but I bet the bulk of Game Theory’s commercial failure vis a vis, say, Phrenology can be attributed to their white fanbase just not bothering. Listening to shit like the Roots is so 1998-2003. Nowadays its all about indie rock and/or LCD rap.

Um yeah, I don’t mess around with any emo, but I heard Panic! isn’t even that good.

Maybe Rey could fill us in.

No Sylvester’s corpse.

Danja29

i know a couple white folks who are annoyin’ the fuck outta me right now for this same reason. i don’t think it’s ironic that just as this emo shit is startin’ to become the “new MTV-supported rage”, ey’body wanna move away from the rap shit. Not that rap doesn’t suck right now, but shit’s funny anyway.

tHe tRaNsIeNt

i have to admit i wus suprised when panic at the disco won all dem awards 2..i thought dey were basically fall out boy weed (or x pill/eyeliner as da case may be hea) carriers

as u say doe, im sure rey can fill us in (no craig david)

tHe tRaNsIeNt

on a sidenote, da picture of fall out boy hangin’ wit jay + beyonce may just be da funniest picture in recent memory

http://www.allhiphop.com Rey

lol @ Transi..It’s FALL OUT BOY, Transi. I’m no huge fan of Panic At The Disco. But thanks for thinking of me. (no DZA)

I like Better Than Ezra’s “Good”, but who doesn’t?

It takes far too much energy to work up a good anti-cracka rant, but let it be known that I hate most of the younger honkeys with their fucked up skater shit and long dirty 80s hair. I also hate the Wiggers that think liking “How High” is a Ghetto Pass. While I’m at it, I hate the preppy tall white boys with fucked up short hair and no facial hair that rock their collars up Kanye style. (i love kanye –no dza again–but that collar shit went out in ’95).

So in short, fuck them gimmicky ass, paint-by-numbers crackas.

Gimme new Game, Nas, Jay, Diddy & Joe Budden and I’ll be good. They could combine to sell 14 copies and you bet DZA’s sweet faggit ass that I’ll account for 9 sales.

PS- Eat a dick, DZA.

Belize

White kids just heard that were tired of rap and with the whole “hiphop is dead” campaign..they just joined the fan club because…well thats what white people do

suggestion? act like hiphop is still valid and hip, and all dem white kids will jump back on the wagon…ask transi’s white ass

Belize

Anybody read that RZA interview on allhiphop? Good read

http://www.allhiphop.com Rey

Bransi, Tol, Transon Crawfient–

I don’t listen to Panic at the Disco. F.O.B. accounts for 98% of my “rock” music, with the exception of some old G’n'R, Greenday, and the random early 90s stuff.

Oh, and Bol? Gin Blossoms = Fall Out Boy of 1994.

Spark

cracka-ass crackas= racist u on the pipe were not fucka, keep on listennin to down south nigga

http://www.allhiphop.com Rey

Oh wait.. The Killers too. Forgot about them.

Belize

Fuck rock

Last time i liket rock was when Green day had Basket Case, Beck thought he was a loser, Metalica was unforgiven, Tool made sickass video’s, Alecia Silverstone was that “Bitch” and That bubble bee bitch was running in the grass

After that rock went were hiphop is goin now

Spark

Hip Hop is Dead like disco there is a panic… bring it back to 1994

Belize

Fuck the fall out boy

Fuck all the rock hoes on MTV

If aint hiphop, reggae, jazz even reggaeton…get it the fuk out of my whip, house or my fukin ears

I need a drink

As a white person I have to say that I have been waiting for the day that ‘hiphop’ became uncool, and that all the cracka ass crackas bounced back to wherever else was proclaimed cool. I’ve listened, studied, loved, and grown with this music and the culture, and the influx of suckas in the past 5-6 years never settled well. I hope your right.

September 8th, 2006 at 12:17 pm
As a white person I have to say that I have been waiting for the day that ‘hiphop’ became uncool

^Told u

Belize

Yeah rey, one of those days…
Game is sick, listen to “round here” with him juelz and jim jones and get back at me.

http://www.allhiphop.com Rey

That would require having to listen to Juelz and Dirt Angel..

Belize

Plus I aint had my morning blunt yet so im not as tollerant today

Young Harlem

Bol, U must be bored, and running out of ideas, because this post wasn’t even needed and the post doesn’t even fit the title. Bol, sit, think, recoup and become a little more focus on the non-sense you choose to post.

as always

-One ya self

Belize

Yeah but hearing Game spit like a baby twista=nails

tHe tRaNsIeNt

rey sez : While I’m at it, I hate the preppy tall white boys with fucked up short hair and no facial hair

My guess is you’re a half-stoned skinny smart ass nigga with buck-teeth from the ‘burbs in the computer lab of some community college. Am I getting warm?

Belize

Nope

HE”ZZZZ YUNG BUTPLUG

ALBUM IN STORES SOOOOOONNNN!!!!

Don

Man this shit is all a trend, rap is never going to be what it was ten years ago and ten years from now its not goin to be the same. Everything goes through trends, it doenst matter what race you are, its where you live at. I seen plenty of black dudes who are emo and shit from Chicago, but they are in the burbs. Its where you grow up at and the times we live in.

tHe tRaNsIeNt

dat game freestyle is cool but the beef wit g unit is boring as fuckk and nobody care about lloyd banks anyway

whut he need 2 do is make mo songs like “hate it or love it”, “runnin’”, “westside story”, “put you on the game” and “church for thugs” cuz da beefin’ is more played than splinter nigga wilson droppin’ break-a-day blofgs cuz his ass is too shook to do a normal blog after he got constantly sonned

Belize

Get back at yall, need to cop an L

Fellin very unblunted

And i swear if i hear anither fukin Fall out boy ringtone im fukin gonna be on CNN…

To break character for a minute: Church for thugs was fuckin’ sick. Game better have more Just Blaze joints on there.

*back in character*

YN is a fuckin’ coward. He posted for a few days in a row and I made his little ass cry, and now he’s vanished into rat-faced air.

Belize

Transi-
Yeah hearing game dissing Gunit is like watching Tito Ortiz and Ken shamrock fight again

http://www.allhiphop.com Rey

Right, Right Transi. I left out the glasses and the cross colors. Kinda like a broke ass 1993 Mars Blackmon.

SUPERMAN

RAP IS ALL FUCKED UP RIGHT NOW SO I CANT REALLY KNOCK THE CRACKERS. I MEAN WHO WANTS TO LISTEN TO DFB, D4L, OR THE PACK ANYWAY? BUT THEN AGAIN WHITE NIGGAS BUY THESE ALBUMS. NO NIGGA NIGGAS BUY MUSIC. BLACK NIGGAS IS TOO CHEAP. FUCK WE NEED THAT NEW LLOYD BANKS ALREADY OR SOMETHIN; SHIT!

SUPERMAN

OH AND THE TITLE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE COLUMN. WHO FUCKIN HIRES THESE NIGGAS ANYWAY?

Mr.Me

Gay Bols “like, totally spazzin out” over this years big VMA award winner so he writes this half ass blog. Nigga you just in a rush to get ya weekend in Frisco on an poppin. Have a good trip Bol.

Fernando

Damn…y’all get on here early. The only shit that will sell in todays market is something new, fresh, and hip. The whole metro-sexual, emo-rock hipster movement coming out of New York Via all the Kanye’s, Farnsworth Bentley, Diddy, John Mayers, Disco-faggs, Laguna Beach bullshit is making the run-of-the-mill hip-hop obsolete. I guarantee that hip-hop sales will decline until the “metro” version of Fiddy or Em comes out in the next few years. Hard lyrics and a sense of fashion! *barf* But you know its coming.

Also, Cracka-ass crackas are feeling left out ever since Tribe & De La stopped dropping albums all the time. Now all they have is independant “conscious” hip-hop where rap is about feelings, politics, social issues, and other green sweater faggit shit.

Fernando

Bol is spending quite a bit of time on the VMA’s. I think he is just jealous of Drama’s cameo. And the linkin park rapper got BEST RINGTONE. I thought “Oh I think they like me” was a shoe-in. DAMN

loosenut

Hip hop is nasty…That other shit seems cool and clean…Hip Hop nowadays is like drinking Coca-Cola…That shit burns and seems pointless when you can drink Carbonated Water that has the same vibe but seems fresher…So the music of yester year-(RAP) is being replaced by music of the next 5 years (Carbonated Water)

http://xxlmag.com Bol

>Bol is spending quite a bit of time on the VMA’s. I think he is just jealous of Drama’s cameo.

Granted.

tHe tRaNsIeNt

i wus disappointed today blog didnt reference or take a shot at another xxlmag.com blogger

Amedawg00

Bol, You are one prolific mofo…how do you balance working at the shit hole grocery store, BdotC.com, and XXL. I see why you are the only columhnist highlighted on the main page. Hell they could fire all of the other lazy ass non writing columnist for all I care.

JLY

im a white kid and i always have loved rap from the time i first heard it when i was 4. most white kids i kno like rap just much as i do and its a select few faggots that give us a bad name.

http://www.allhiphop.com Rey

Yeah.. You saving the “Fuck Kris Ex” blog for next week, Bol?

Belize

tHe tRaNsIeNt Says:

September 8th, 2006 at 1:08 pm
i wus disappointed today blog didnt reference or take a shot at another xxlmag.com blogger

^dat fat niga dont want it with me

JLY

im a white kid and i have loved rap since i first heard eazy-e back in 1994. i always will love and all of the white fans i kno feel the same way. its a select few faggots that give us a bad name.

AXC

i love hip hop but jus because rock is not ure prefence doesnt mean u should be knockin it i think ure a faggot racist always sayin cracker ass crackers ure not the king of the world suck a dick u bitch

hasler09

bol your a fucking punk your always complaining at the state of hip hop at the moment and how there has been no real good albums out this year now your complaining about a rock group getting best video?who cares its the music not the video anyway hype williams won some life time award and his music videos have gone downhill for the last 2-3 years that”letter box”bullshit in all his videos this year is wack as fuck and he does most hip hop vids so how was a hip hop artist ever gonna win?

thoreauly77

anywho, neither hiphop nor rock are dead, but one begins to wonder when you look around and you see all these emo boys wearing womens jeans and and having the same exact 45 degree bangs across the forehead bullshit pimple-machine hairdon’t. and the hiphop trends right now? kanye? BAPE? can anyone sat “identity crisis”? but then there are people like aesop rock who made a track a little while back called facemelter that will destroy anything anyones heard for quite some time…. and broken social scene and arcade fire made excellent albums in teh last year. the problem is what viacom is feeding the kids is the shit they are eating.

Fernando

^^^^
Newbies getting mad at the Bol Blog lingo. Its not a select few..its the majority. There are tons of crackas that legitimately embrace rap and life a lifestyle consistent with what hip-hop is about. There are MANY MANY more that live in the burbs, bump some fiddy cent, have no black friends and are secretly prejudice against people of ethnic background because they have no contact with them. Just watch Laguna Beach. That type of lifsytle / neighborhood is all over the United States. Little hipster faggits that bump the rap song du-jour but have absolutely no culture in thier lives.

WHITE FOLKS BUY THE MAJORITY OF CADILACS, RAP RECORDS, & NIKE SHOES…NIGGA BUY WHAT’S LEFT AFTER THEY FLOAT OUT OF NEW ORLEANS.

Fernando

Plus…rock sucks dude. Shut your bitch ass up and go bump some AFI. Rock thirty years ago was good. Todays shit sucks balls and has for a while. There was some ok shit in the mid 90′s, but MTV rock is a bolgne sammich with diarhea sauce.

thoreauly77

it is easier to not get mad at bol when he says crack-ass-crackas when you understand he is white. and only cracka-ass-crackas get offended by the term being used.

Kentucky Fried

Belize Says:

September 8th, 2006 at 12:08 pm
“White kids just heard that were tired of rap and with the whole “hiphop is dead” campaign..they just joined the fan club because…well thats what white people do

suggestion? act like hiphop is still valid and hip, and all dem white kids will jump back on the wagon…ask transi’s white ass”

Belize $10 says you’re white you wannabe. You all are wasting your time arguing about hip hop. It’s ass right now bottom line. It’s the same shit different day which is why you all keep talking about G and FUCKIN R and 90′s grunge bands and the new generation of grunge. Because you yourself are bored with it.

So what white dudes like conscious rap. Did it ever occur to you that we aren’t really interested in money, cars, hoes, or killing people and maybe about how people struggle growing up and what they did to get away from all the bullshit??? Most of us can’t relate to the struggles lots of artists talk about but we deal with our problems in similar ways. It’s interesting to hear different viewpoints on their trials and tribulations and what needs to be done to fix the problems. Does that make me less of a hip hop fan or a De’Cody (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=145755) for liking that music? I think not.

thoreauly77

nando- ALL mtv sucks. its called “television programming” for a reason. the promotion of cocaine rap? the promotion of pro-tools based “rock” (i.e. panic)? none of it is good and thats why it appeals to the lowest common denominator.

Fernando

I can and will knock it you AFI-listenin, mascara wearing faggit. Cry-baby bitch. Blind Melon T-shirt having, Panic at the Disco fan club president, suburbian chump.

Why did my posts get nixed????
Fuck you Bol!

Fernando

not you thoreaulytt

e

I feel almost entirely disconnected from youth culture.
^^^^
The only connecting with youths your doing know is in the back of your van.(no mike jackson)

Why doesn’t rap promote to latinos if they feel they will lose their white audience there are more and more of them each day. Why not market to a emerging group.

http://www.allhiphop.com Rey

It’s called “Reggaeton”, E.

thoreauly77

thats cool because i dont listen to any of those crap groups. if anyone has any doubts about rock, just listen to nomeansno’s last record. you wont see them on mtv. bring men’s clothing back to rockandroll. and bring emcee-ing back to hiphop!

thoreauly77

snap music is the new intimate club music. emo is the new new wave.

http://www.allhiphop.com Rey

^^^^

Amen.

http://MINDSTATELA AM I TRIPPINYALL

THE PROBLEM IS RAP SUCKS BIG DICKS RIGHT NOW AND WHO FUCKEN CARES IF THESE PECKER WOODS DONT LIKE RAP WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU CARE, LET THEM BOUNCE AS IF WE NEED THEM WE NEED TO BE WORRIED ABOUT OUR OWN FOLKS THERES ALWAYS BEEN A BALANCE BETWEEN ROCK AND RAP DONT BLAM ROCK, BLAME RAP JUST BECAUSE RAP IS AT ITS DECLINE WE WANT TO BLAME THE ROCK MUSIC, SHIT NOBODY WAS COMPLAINING WHEN DEATH ROW AND BAD BOY WERE AT WAR BUT NOW SINCE NOBODYS FEELING THE SOUTH AND EAST AND WEST ARE ABOUT EXSTINCT WE WANT TO WORRY WHERE THE WHITES ARE NIGGA FUCK THE WHITES YOU NIGGAS ARE TO BUSY MAKING CARMEL COLORED KIDS WITH THEM WHITE BITCHES INSTEAD OF YO OWN SO DONT WORRY ABOUT THEM CAVE PEOPLE STAY ON YOUR OWN DICK.

H-man

Soon, we will bring Hip-hop back 2 its tru essence…the streetz will bring balance back, not the industry…the industry iz selling hip-hop out over money…Damn, alwayz da dollars…It will change…Az 4 race, We will personally bring white fanbase back 2 hip-hop…(along with my peeps help)…thats why #’s R down….just my opinion, but I believe whites R being alienated…gotta blend all races more into hip-hop, people of the same color stick 2 themselves mostly(alot of exceptions), but if U could blend all colors in muzik, then the people will do it in the streetz….the 4th quarter is warmin up…When 2007 hitz, it will B a whole new game…..WORD ONE Hey, Bol, whats the numberz for cracker consumption in hip-hop sales???? Isnt it around 70 percent of hip-hop!!!….theres no predjidas in reason…think about it…muzik should have nuttin 2 do wit race, creed, or religion…muzik is a tool 2 multiply, not divide…peace

amitrippinyall- yes, i am afraid you are trippin. tripping balls on some internets e-pills. as such, you delusional capitalized meager ramblings on the deplorable state of whiteness must only be acknowledged with a “racism is teh ghey”.

killabees

^^ rap is doing just that, promoting to the latin cummonity.ie. pitbull and all those other guys who really arent saying much.
Oh and BOL why the fuck you want to be connected to the youth and especally the mtv youth?

e

Oh and BOL why the fuck you want to be connected to the youth and especally the mtv youth?
^^^
He is a child molester (no bow wow)

I don’t know if it is just me but does anyone think that the decline in quality public education has something to do with untalanted lyricists? Not that rappers are all that educated any way but still.

SONNY CHEEBA

These white people r tired of sucking Black culture off… it’s been happening for over 70yrs, so when they have a chance (Panic at the club, Crawl out boy, af eye, etc) they RUN with it…

U think old white people (Who run the WORLD) want their kids looking at Young Dro’s gold toothed ass??? Hell NO!

You mean a black or latino rapper that raps about *gasp* shit he’s actually been thru without the materialism, stressing lyrics and talent above gimmicky (early eminem) bullshit???

NEVA!

11kap

Who cares? Hip Hop is not about most of them anyway.

http://www.allhiphop.com Rey

*equal time*

…or do you mean a black or latino rapper that hates his mom, pops pills, loves his daughter, and wants to fuck & kill his wife (not necessarily in that order)?

e

This blog is similar to the Yo MTV sucks

e

Maybe rappers aren’t unleashing (no jim jones) their real lyrical skills because they want white kids to stop listining to it and return it to its roots. All this time everyone thought Jibbs sucked when he was really trying to save hip hop hmm.

The Dza

Wow Rey for each 30 comments, 20 of em are yours. You are hands down this website’s loneliest reader. Get a fucking Diary you lamoooooooooooo.

http://www.allhiphop.com Rey

What’s a “Lamoooooooo”? Is that what a french cow says?

The Dza

“Bol Says:

September 8th, 2006 at 12:02 pm
Um yeah, I don’t mess around with any emo, but I heard Panic! isn’t even that good.

If I knew where to find you, I would take great pride in slapping the shit outta you. You’re THAT annoying.

The Dza

You want to slap me not because I’m that annoying but rather because what I’m saying is that true. You sorry ass sight. Anyways, I got a real life to go live OUTSIDE. Have fun spending all day urrday on this website you LOSER!!! hahahahahaha.

rizzop2003

rap fucked up an became more of an image and lifestyle instead of being an art form and a way of expression. When rap went commercial, white folks jumped on it and now have milked as much money as possible to the point where all hip hop is control by corprate white men who dont care about it and just the profit

http://www.allhiphop.com Rey

Fuck a goat, Dza.

Belize

Anybody got a L?
Im gettin real pissed off right now cuz my niga got no work right now!

Belize

Co-sogn Nando…told yall rock sucks now
matter of fact i bet polka got more substance than rock right now and all this poppy ass hiphop shit combined

Yeah playa im bout to get on my polka shit

http://www.xxlmag.com shawn

def jam killed hip-hop the day gay-z became president!!

Tom

justin timberlake’s album is the shit!

SONNY CHEEBA

Tom might be a potential child molester (or the founder of myspace), but he’s right…

Can anyone say Elvis???

The King of Pop & Roll!

(i think i’ve sold out)

http://MINDSTATELA AM I TRIPPINYALL

What im trying to say is if you look at that video “got my vans on” you see a nigga doing a 180 reverse kick flip, now thats white boy shit straight up and down thats they shit am I trippin,

now look at justin timberfake, bringing sexy back, when you got millions of dollars you could get a black man to write you a song like that and have timbo produce it, now the girls want fuck justin not usher why? you ask because hes a white boy with black tendecys. am i trippin yall.

and as far a me being racist, me being a black male you damm right im a little racist the blak man has got lazy when it comes to music he let everyone eles do him better the he does himself, am I trippin yall.

paul wall, wack, bubba sparks wack
the only reason those cave boys get love is because its all about money, the black man sees money in a white puppet who can do black music, am I tripin yall.

now we got black people wearing skates
now we got black people on skateboards
now we got black people dancing white
now we got black people being out sold
now we got black people who are afraid of slim shady, dont nobody want none of that white boy and im saying this with conviction every nigga that has steped to shady has gotten rosted and I mean really gotten fuck up lyricaly am I trippinyall.

wheres black america, what happend to us where white people now determine our fate. amItrippinyall.

rap is getting boring, at least when it falls off and people no longer buy the records only the people who love it will still be doin it

Belize

“wheres black america, what happend to us where white people now determine our fate. amItrippinyall.”

^ Naw but whatever u puffing on, i want it ASAP….give it to bol’s mama, ill pick it up 2nite

SONNY CHEEBA

now look at justin timberfake, bringing sexy back, when you got millions of dollars you could get a black man to write you a song like that and have timbo produce it, now the girls want fuck justin not usher why? you ask because hes a white boy with black tendecys. am i trippin yall.

and as far a me being racist, me being a black male you damm right im a little racist the blak man has got lazy when it comes to music he let everyone eles do him better the he does himself, am I trippin yall.

now we got black people dancing white
now we got black people being out sold
now we got black people who are afraid of slim shady, dont nobody want none of that white boy and im saying this with conviction every nigga that has steped to shady has gotten rosted and I mean really gotten fuck up lyricaly am I trippinyall.

^^^ For a Black Militia member “am i trippin” as a good point…

Can’t anyone say “End Of The World”???
It’s about to go down, in a major way!

Fire & Brimstone type shit, for real!

SONNY CHEEBA

You mean a black or latino rapper that raps about *gasp* shit he’s actually been thru without the materialism, stressing lyrics and talent above gimmicky (early eminem) bullshit???

Justin Shitbag is a hurtful specimen. I dont care who does his album, I will never buy or listen to it. Anyone that sings two octaves higher than aaron nevil is banned for life. Black people have been getting used for centuries AmITRIPPINYALL, so dont act shocked now.

Belize

Yall just hear that new Maino joint on the bangers section…shits kinda funny

Belize

Yo Cheeba
Did u forget Immortal Technique?

thoreauly77

as far as black people wearing skates, it was a huge part of growing up in the hood during hiphops formative years; skateboarding black dudes? check for steve steadham who rode for powell peralta in the early eighties and destroyed shit, seriously ( i dont feel the need to insert some “no homo” equivalent). check your history amitrippinyall and you will see that there has always been a strong black presence in skateboarding and the community has provided some of the most progressive athletes. “now we got black people dancing white”? ever since muff shitty dance? you have some decent points if you leave out all the counterproductive racist bullshit rhetoric out, but you better learn your history yo.

nobody buys jib-hop anymore. You can download all of it!! except the good stuff in small record shops. Bay area artists are making big bucks because you have to buy their shit. there is nowhere to download the new Messy Marv

thoreauly77

“being a black male you damn right i’m a little racist”. nice generalization.

http://myspace.com/theoreste Mr. Oreste

The whole idea of the shift from hip hop dominance to the new emo rock trend is not based on race at all. It soley falls on the fact that over the past several years MTV has steadily decreased the amount of ALL music videos. They instead put in bullshit reality and dating shows to fill up the evening time-slots. This decrease results in less variety in all of popular music. Hip hop thrived in the 90s simply because people could choose what groups they liked because there were tons of options (Tribe, De La, and others were an alternative to the Gangsta Rap of NWA, Snoop, etc.). Fastfoward to today where MTV only plays certain types of hip hop or rap music. Of course I’m talking about the southern based rap and the new wave of pop-rap spawned by artists like Gwen Stefani, Fergie, and Nelly Furtado among others. As big a fan I am of the Neptunes and all their work, I believe that their dominance on radio around 2001-2003 where they nearly produced 50% of songs on the radio has spawned the southern hip hop and rap music that dominates today (the Lil’Jons, Young Dros, T.I.’s, D4L, The Pack, etc.). Producers began thinking they could start using synths (a trademark of the Neptunes sound) to make any shitty ass emcee sound legit. This is why we see so many random artists pop up into the mainstream like D4L, Yung Joc, Young Dro, and many others. The Neptunes have since strayed from their formula for hits from those years of dominance and have begun expirementing more and more which is why some of the newer Neptunes productions are being considered subpar efforts. No one has come close to the level of their work from those years with the trends of heavy syths in the past couple of years (ex. Timbaland who has been at it for longer than the Neptunes, but never had the same type of radio presence as the Neptunes). If MTV started showing more music videos, this argument would not even be thought about.

http://www.ohword.com Sach

Pretty much. Ever since it became uncool for white kids to like black music of substance (sometime between the Madvillain record and last year), it’s been only a matter of time before the bottom drops out on the industry.

It’s not as if Young Dro’s going to keep anyone’s attention for much longer and he’s just dumb/effeminate enough to provide a stepping stone to those emo kids.

james in fl.

people aint buying the roots cause north is d.e.a.d. you stupid mother fuckers.south sells n south is real so until a bomb blows off the south of u.s.4get it!!! p.s.west is far dead their slang sucks n gang members are sissy fagots who cant fight by themselves. p.s.s.fuck a gook

Dr. Colossus

People hate producers using synths, but synths are not the problem. The problem are the no talent hacks that are playing them. The Neptunes understand music, LIL john and Colli park just play 3 notes and collect a check. Learn Music and hip hop can be good again!!!!!!!!!!!!

sojazzy

im startin to think more n more each day that u dont ever kno what ur talking

September 8th, 2006 at 4:19 pm
nobody buys jib-hop anymore. You can download all of it!! except the good stuff in small record shops. Bay area artists are making big bucks because you have to buy their shit. there is nowhere to download the new Messy Marv

I am a huge fan of/extremely turned on by Lupe Fiasco. I don’t know how well his album is doing, but I do think that his success and the success of emo bullshit on MTV kinda goes hand in hand with the come back of white kid culture. I hate Panic At The Disco [did you see how AWFUL they are live when they performed at the VMAs?] and most of the shit like them that is all over the radio right now, but I can’t blame people for getting fed up with the mainstream rap that’s out there right now and moving on to a new mindless trend. I wonder though, if white kids are sick of the bullshit rap that studios are promoting nowadays, what about black people? Young black people are just as sheepish and trendy as young white people, but way less inclined to expand their horizons so I’m curious about whether or not they will just keep on listening to the same bullshit everyone else is done listening to.

Gun Smoke

Bol get one thing straight your a
godamn moron & tha fact that XXL
lets you rant & rave like you do
is beyond my comprehension I mean
I understand you bring people to the
site but guess what it’s not cause
folks think you are an intelligent
writer it’s because they wanna hear
what absolutely rediculous shit is
gonna come out ya mouth next who are
you to even speak on hiphop??? Really

Bun B served you like some red beans
& rice with extra hot sauce & your
still here?????

XXL let me offer yall a bit of advice
everyone hates bol not just some folk
bue everybody how bout yall get a nig
that actually has something meaningful
to say that makes you think because al
this nigga do is give his oppinion on
meaningless shit

(Since fuckin when has MTV ever fuckin
mattered to hiphop??? Hiphop is never
going anywhere if anything tha reason
rap is what it is today (Wack)is cause
of MTV & BET)

Fuck Viacom & Fuck You Bol if I ever
see you in a restaraunt I will eat tha
food off your plate!!!

Black London….

THIS IS ONE HIP-HOP ALBUM WHITE BOYS (a.k.a Craka Ass Crakkz) & BLACK GUY WILL BUY:

I’m sorry, but Lupe Fiasco is very corny. Basically, all music is pretty much dead right now. Some music might be gaining more commercial popularity than hip hop now, but that emo shit, rock, reggae, reggaeton, and rb all suck. Music is all about money, period.

Dr. Colossus

Why is Lupe corny? Cause he doesn’t rap about drug dealing?

Face Phoenix

No Balls, No Glory where is the Hard Rock At, Where’s That “M.O.P.-Gangstarr-Kick Your Teeth In /I don’t sell drugs but I Leave My Foot Dead In Your Ass” hip hop when you needed it.

John Hutch

i love hip hop but it pisses me off wen this fool is talkin bout crack ass crakers then in his next line says black people. racism works both way u nigga!

oh yes i am white

RJ

… Fuck rock music… It fuckin pisses me off that muhfuckers is buying into that bullshit. Straight up Rey I got Killers too, I don’t mind some rock and shit, but damn, it aint gonna mess with hip hop… Shits dying no doubt, we need Jay (sadly enough) to bring it back. Tho I dont like dude, Fiddy needs to shelf them faggots and drop his shit. DRE!! That nigga need to drop Detox, Em needs to come back out and get them white folk back. Get out corporate niggas (and white boy) back on the scene and us rap niggas is gonna rise again. No doubt.

babyboy

the Dza ur hate campaign 4 Rey worked, u shut him down, finally, that nigga is a XXL Stan, at 1st i thought dat he was da original blogger but den i notice dat hes just a Stan ahahaha..
white kids buy most os da cd, which is good, cuz we black people r just downloadin and criticizin or own culture instead of standing up 4 it, what i am tryin 2 say is dat, if it wasnt 4 white kids 2 buy it hip hop would b dead serious, cuz if no 1 sells , whats da point of puttin music out???
It kills me dat its tru but, shit i not going 2 buy an album unless it sounds like Black in Both sides, or ready 2 die, Reasonable doubt. thats dat bottom line, i need a classic material.

Ayo BLACK LONDON R U GOIN 2 SEE TALIB KWELI ON THURSDAY?? WHAT ABOUT JIGGA ON THE 24???

SUPERMAN

MY SUGGESTION IS WE BLEND OLD SCHOOL RHYTHMS WITH NEW SCHOOL. OLD SCHOOL WAS A LOT MORE POPULAR DUE TO ITS FRESH NATURE, AND THE BACKGROUND OF ITS RAPPERS. THEN WHAT THE MUSIC INDUSTRY CAN DO IS SIGN ACTUAL EMCEES, NOT A BUNCH OF IDIOTS WHO WANT TO START THE CLI’CHE CALLED “A MOVEMENT”! AND WHO COME WITH THERE OWN DANCE AND RIDICULOUS PRESCHOOL LYRICS. EVEN IF THE SHIT HAS TO GO MAINSTREAM LET IT SOUND HOOD. WHY THE FUCK DO YOU THINK 50 IS SO FUCKIN RICH? CUZ THE NIGGA INVENTED THE PERFECT FORMULA OF BLENDING POP (FOR THE WHITE KIDS) AND HIP HOP (FOR THE BLACK FOLKS). SO UNLIKE OTHER ARTISTS WHO GO AFTER ONE AUDIENCE, THE KID WENT AFTER EVERYBODY, THUS INVENTING “HIP-POP”! BECUZ WHO SAID YOU CANT DANCE TO THUG MUSIC. YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO DANCE TO HIP HOP BUT ALSO SOAK UP THE MESSAGES BEHIND IT. SHIT I AINT A 50 DICKRIDER LIKE YA NIGGAS CALL IT BUT THE NIGGA AINT RICH FROM JUST SELLIN VITAMIN WATER! AND THATS THE TRUTH.

jon jon–23

I think white people have used up and exploited rap and black culture and now they are turning away from it. White people were responsible for black artists (like Nelly, 50 cent, Biggie, Tupac) going multiplatinum and now they have moved on, so album sales have declined. I think black kids these days are push-overs to whites. We are so quick to accept them biting our style, and when an artist like Eminem calls our women “nigger shit” and then apologizes, we readily accept the apology and continue to put money in his pocket. I think black artists should strive to go independent and say fuck the majors and MTV. With major record companies the artist gets more recognition and generates more money, but the record label takes most of that money-thus the artist is being exploited. I’m not a racist but I know damn well on average that blacks are much better singers, dancers, and rappers than whites are–it’s just genetics. If we do us for us and say fuck them, they will be back because they love our style. Look at the way Elvis bit black music back in the day and they hail him as the king of rock and roll. Rap has lacked creativity for some time because companies want to sign someone that fits a certain image. They don’t want to sign someone that thinks for themselves and makes their own style. People get tired of hearing the same shit over and over and over…..

Dee

First Eminem didnt say anything any other Black rapper wouldnt have
and some of the most respected rappers (JAY-Z to name one) say Eminem is one of the BEST–that has to hurt right? …and who has sold the most rap records..tupac with his 3000 different albums NO! the white boy has sold over 40,000,000 hahahahaha hurts i know it does

Second why dont black people like to buy rap groups albums like the Roots? Dont get mad at white kids if the have good computers and cd burners and decide to BURN 90% of the CDs they have.

Both black and white people are buying less Cds and both moving on to other types of rap or music

Meanwhile Country Music is outselling everything..that kinda sucks for Rock and RAp

young ether

the commercials are already in the lyrics of rap music. why should advertisers waste money on mtv?

chocolate-ma

hip hop aint even hip hop no more!!! old school hip hop was tight!!! this new school is trash!!!! and rock aint never comin back!!!

Brendan

I totally agree, mainstream (white) america doesnt want its kids listening to hiphop. There are plenty of reasons ranging from racism to ethics. Eminem brought rap to middle america and theyve been fighting ever since to get rid of it. People always criticize me for listening to rap, a lot of people look down on it. Its bullshit. They will do anything to make a few bucks.

http://www.myspace.com/angelsometimes Cthulhu

When will people understand that white people just latch onto whatever lack people think is cool with regards to hip hop and shit? White people didn’t set the trend of stupidity in current rap music, black people did, and white people just mindlessly followed along. Of course it could be said that white people perpetuate the popularity of stupidity in hip hop, because white money gives the studios incentive to repeat the formula over and over again, but it itself was not created by white people. Black people are just as capable of being lame and stupid and liking stupid music. If black people conspired en masse to pretend to like a polka/reggeaton/country music fusion white people would start eating that shit up.
As for Lupe being corny…I doubt that, but honestly I just think he’s really super hot so it’s possible that he is corny and I just haven’t noticed.

SUPERMAN

THAT NIGGA LUPE A FUCKIN PHARELL WANNABE! KINDA RESEMBLES BOL. LOL!

Adam_K

You should be happy that you’d never heard that shitty band. They exist soley because of myspace, Fallout Boy, and underage girls.

Three4

I THINK THAT THIS ARTICLE IS BULLSHIT AND MORE BULLSHIT AND THEN SOME MORE BULLSHIT…BOL IS JUST TALKING SOME RACIST SHIT WHICH I THOUGHT THAT XXL DIDN´T SUPPORT.
YN, WHY THE FUCK IS THIS DUDE ALLOWED TO EXPRESS HIMSELF????

jon jon–23

I never said Emenim couldn’t rap. The fact that he is white and CAN rap is all he needs to sell the amount of records he does. As far as other rap artists saying he is the best; that doesn’t surprise me. They know he has a tremendous white following and they want to collaborate with him on tracks so they jock him. I really believe if he was black he would do ordinary numbers. He shouldn’t be given a pass when he calls black women “nigger shit” he is not black.

What’s up with these retarted/hating articles XXL keeps posting?
XXL= The next Source.

Ben

I didnt know XXL employed racist writers.

I am white, but i love rap music, always have done fo as long as i can remember…

Now in the year 2006 you come on your stupid blog and label me a rock fan because of my skin color…

Stop the hating, we are all the same… Its all about individuality, one white person might like rock, one white person might like pop another white person might like rap… same with black people and every other race.

Your a thick bastard, fuck coming to this site no more, i aint like racists.

Dee

JON jon

Emenim is an Ordinary rapper, he isn’t just o.k.

the guy was winning freestyle and battle competitions against dozens of Black “normal” rappers for years and then a BLack Music Icon respected by all black people signed him b/c he knew he could rap better than average and he had talent he was different etc. etc.

Dee

it hurts that a white boy can flow better than 90% of the black rappers out there PERIOD.

http://www.allhiphop.com Rey

Keep dreaming, BabyBoy. The fact that there are people that have this much of a problem with me offering opinions or cracking jokes just lets me know that people like you, dza, and n-credible are sad, stupid little fucks that have even less of a life than I allegedly do. Criticizing a blogger is sad enough, but hating on someone who comments on a blog is laughable. I ain’t going nowhere, but thanks for letting me know you’re paying attention. Fuck a goat, BabyBoy.

thoreauly77

at least rey offers insight and humor to the forum as opposed to simple, unintelligent spittle drooling from the corners of leptonic mouths (and fingers). babyboy and dza- offer something either funny or of substance instead of being upset about being the internet version of the last kid picked in dodgeball.

Ferro

Not all the white people have left hip-hop. It was trendy to be into hip-hop a few years ago, but the people who actually care about the music and the culture are still listening and buying records.

HUSTLEHARD

BOL IS PLAYING SOME RACE CARD BULLSHIT,I AIN’T WHITE AND RIGHT NOW I’M LIKE “FUCK HIPHOP!!!”
NOBODY IS ORIGINAL ANYMORE.IT’S JUST BEEF OR SELLING DRUGS.SHIT IS OLD ALREADY!
AND GET OVER THAT VMA SHIT ALREADY,I AIN’T THE BIGGEST ROCK FAN BUT GOTTDAMNIT,DOES HIPHOP HAVE TO BE THE MAJORITY OF THE FUCKING SHOW?? I COULD UNDERSTAND IF IT WAS THE SOURCE AWARDS BUT, THIS IS MTV!!!
ROCK HAS IT’S OWN NEW AND FRESH SHIT GOING ON.
THATS JUST SOMTHING HIPHOP DOES NOT.
SO GET OVER IT!!!!!
THE WAY I SEE IT,WANANABE THUGS,DIAMONDS,MONEY,AND DRY SNITCHING KILLED HIPHOP.(OR AT LEAST GOTS IT IN A MEAN SLEEPER HOLD)

Dummy

Man you are the most ignorant motherfucker on the planet. I cant believe XXL gave you a blog.

That band you are taking about has been all over the radio for the past year, not to mention TRL, Sirius, etc etc.

Your comments further prove you are ignorant and close-minded, which is why you dont know shit about anything except for the shit you’re into.

Dummy

You’re the reason white people even call us the dreaded “N” word.

Just like there are certain redneck mutherfuckas we can “crackers”

Fucking ignorant dummy

http://www.allhiphop.com Rey

co-sign Hustle and Thoreau.

Victor Trammell

First of all most of ya’ll black and white are some of the dumbest people I’ve ever read about. Rock n’ Roll people was invented by Ray Charles and others like him at that time. So while white people talk like rock is theirs, guess again. Now on my black people. Start back like ya’ll was doing back in the day, talk about real shit in rap music instead of bojangling all the goddamned time! Fuck all this snap music and jiggaboo mentality.

illest

haha the real problem here is that a white kid cant be real into hip hop culture, buy hip hop clothes etc without people saying “hes tryin to be black”.

selling music nowadays is all about selling a whole culture to go with it too. its like with the whole rock revival right now, their selling not only the music, but also the tight jeans, the band hoodies, fucking gay 4 inch fringe of hair in front of your face the whole package.

fact is, white kids are 70 % of the hip hop cd buyers, so if you cant offer them a way to get into hip hop culture and not be called “whiggers” then sales are gonna keep goin down.

i think seeing more white rappers would help, right now its eminem and thats it and hes fallen off anyway. oh yeah pall wall too. even just more white guys chillin in rap videos etc. not saying that this is what *should* happen, but its what would get white kids into it more again.

Me Being Me

Let me spit the blunt truth to you dummies. i aint white but white people aint crackas (unless they start actin retarded) and white people do make up most of the profit for cds (there’s more of them, think about otherwise hip-hop wouldn’t be as commercial). second if nobody was feeling the snap music, DFB and the people form the A wouldn’t have sold and third Texas got the spotlight on them right now cuz almost every artist from there has at least went platinum.
And Bol if you call white people crackas i will invite some of the white people i know and will have u jumped…and no sir…i aint from the suburbs and i dont act white…and NO HIP_HOP AINT DEAD, JUST SOME OF THE RAPPERS THAT USUALLY CAME OUT WITH HITS AND COMIN OUT WIT DEM NO MORE! Get the facts right before u sound ignorant.

HUSTLEHARD

^^^^VICTOR TRAMMELL,
WHAT THE FUCK IS “JIGGABOO MENTALITY”,I CAN’T TELL IF U RACIST OR TRYIN’ TO MAKE A VALID POINT, ANYHOW…. SHUTTHAFUKUP!!!

Spark

co-sign: Hustlehard & Dummy

psycho babble baby

YO BYRON LUPE DISSED YOUR IGNANT ASS. HAHAHAHA.

jmahal

You know why ya’ll are acting so emotional over this blog, cause ya’ll know it’s the truth, and damn does it show. This isn’t something that happened overnight. Hip hop’s stranglehold on commercial young America has been coming loose for about the past 2-3 years now. It’s not a bad thing it’s just times are evolving and masses of white people are going back to “their roots”
Look at MTV’s shows reality based shows and musical format- Laguna Beach, Oceans 11, and the MTV movie awards. White folks are starting to see that if you aren’t from the ghetto, and you aren’t black, then acting like you are is so 2002. Like they say, “It’s a movement” People are starting to realize ghetto culture is not black culture, and ghetto couture’ from some artists is starting too hurt their record sales. People all along have said that the majority of rap buyers and listeners are white. So what happens when they leave………

WHITE BOY

All white people dont like rock…
And those who like rap favor the new commercialized shit, few are real with the underground, and I happen to be, so fuck racist bloggers, Lupe get in his ass on the second entry…

Adrian

Does this article have a point tuit? I sounds like ur trying to say that white people are ruining rap by listening to it, so then black artist gotta do somethin else to please the fans and are kinda forced to ‘sell-out’ it’s happening all over the place. K the truth here is I’m white and MTV is pop (pop=shit 95% of tha time), so as rap and hiphop starts to move in that drrection the sound is obviously gonna change. Pop, like sugar is good in smll doses but ultimately rotts your brain , I’ma stick with Xzibit, at least he stays close to his roots(no pun intended :P).

Adrian

Thank you Jmahal and ‘me being me’, you said it perfect. Don’t get me started on that craka nonsense. To the white population of the US, if u don’t know good rap (Mos Def, Jay z, NWA, old Mobb Deep, DMX/ Ruff Ryder crew, all of Death Row, K-Os, Rakim, Public Enemy, Run DMC, etc…) go buy Stadium Arcadium by the Chilli Peppers plzz and listen to that! Quit messin up the game.

beastbot

Your theory is correct:white kids are no longer interested in hip hop.Why? Because for the 1st time in history black music is boring..simple as that.You’re stuck in a rut. Change.

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