Rex Ryan confirms that CB Darrelle Revis has an ACL tear in his left knee that will require surgery. Out for season.

I badly wanted to see the Jets fail this year, but that isn't how I wanted to see it happen. I really hope he is able to bounce back from this because there isn't another corner out there who can do what Revis does.

Who cares, GMs will be dicks to you the first second your production drops, even in the slightest, and ask you to take a paycut. I'm all for these guys squeezing every last dime out of their careers.

There really isn't a better way to do it. I'd love to see more incentive based deals, but players and their agents dislike those for obvious reasons...

But holding out is just bad for all sides involved. Players who hold out tend to be less productive and more prone to injury when they return, ala Chris Johnson and Revis a few years ago. Especially if he's missing training camp. No matter what you do on your own, it simply can't match the intensity of what you'll get at camp.

It's one thing if you're still making the league minimum on your rookie deal, but it's quite another if you're already making $10 million a season and you still out. You're just a dick at that point.

If contracts were fully guaranteed when they were signed, I'd be right with you. But, if a team can cut you and get out of paying you millions upon millions of dollars they were supposed to pay you, and the market dictates that you're supposed to make a certain amount based on your value, I think holding out is somewhat acceptable.

I still think there is room for incentive based bonuses, but most contracts have provisions that allow teams to get out of way too much of a deal.

Also, I see absolutely no relevance in how much the player is already making. If you make $10 million, but the market dictates you deserve $20 million, how is that any less defensible than a guy who makes $2 million holding out because he deserves $12 million?

I guess I look at it as whether or not something is above the "money I'd be set for life with" level. If you have me $10 million right now, I could live a good life without ever working another day. That is, of course, if I was smart with it...which a large portion of NFL players definitely are not.

Anyway, fully guaranteed contracts should never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever happen in the NFL. The NBA is a ******* joke because of them. All accountability is taken away from the player because he gets that money no matter what once he signs his name.

It'd be nice if there were some sort of middle ground, but there isn't. From a fan perspective, holdouts are dumb. The player hurts himself and the team in the long run by doing one.

I think you have to be pretty dumb to go into it to burn the $27 million or whatever it was that VY blew. And you hear about the people who win the lottery and are then bankrupt within a year...if you think about the intelligence level of the majority of people who play the lottery, it's not hard to see why. They don't call it a "tax on the stupid" for nothing.

I think you have to be pretty dumb to go into it to burn the $27 million or whatever it was that VY blew. And you hear about the people who win the lottery and are then bankrupt within a year...if you think about the intelligence level of the majority of people who play the lottery, it's not hard to see why. They don't call it a "tax on the stupid" for nothing.

True.. I know someone who won $500 or so with a scratch ticket. But probably only made a hundred or so because of the amount of tickets

I guess I look at it as whether or not something is above the "money I'd be set for life with" level. If you have me $10 million right now, I could live a good life without ever working another day. That is, of course, if I was smart with it...which a large portion of NFL players definitely are not.

That's not necessarily an appropriate standard to set, though. In both holdout cases, we're likely talking about people being tremendously underpaid compared to what the market has determined they deserve. Also, in both cases, the player is making a very, very large amount of money for one year. It just seems absurd to condemn one player and not the other, because a frugal person would never have to work again in one case, but would in the other.

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Anyway, fully guaranteed contracts should never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever happen in the NFL. The NBA is a ******* joke because of them. All accountability is taken away from the player because he gets that money no matter what once he signs his name.

It'd be nice if there were some sort of middle ground, but there isn't. From a fan perspective, holdouts are dumb. The player hurts himself and the team in the long run by doing one.

It's the lack of a middle ground that makes these holdouts reasonable, though. While there might not be any individual accountability for players if their contracts are fully guaranteed, there is no accountability in the current system for teams if they sign a guy to a huge contract and he falls flat on his face.