sammyk:"The numbers seem to support his argument. In Virginia, for example, gun ownership soared 73% between 2006-2011. Over the same period gun related violent crimes actually fell 24 percent."

I'm guessing this trend had more to do with changes in gun carry laws than the election of president Obama. Although the NRA had done nothing but tell lie after lie stating that Obama has grand plans to confiscate guns and give the UN control of our gun ownership. They also put on the cover of American Rifleman, the claim that the best way to beat Obama was to purchase their "challenge coin". Seriously WTF?

Yet, despite Romney's long history of being a complete anti-gunner, including signing a ban of assault rifles and a ban on semi-autos, they endorsed him for president. I've been a life member of the NRA for 25 years and I'm seriously considering cancelling that membership. They've put hack partisan politics over gun rights as their main agenda.

NFA:sammyk: "The numbers seem to support his argument. In Virginia, for example, gun ownership soared 73% between 2006-2011. Over the same period gun related violent crimes actually fell 24 percent."

I'm guessing this trend had more to do with changes in gun carry laws than the election of president Obama. Although the NRA had done nothing but tell lie after lie stating that Obama has grand plans to confiscate guns and give the UN control of our gun ownership. They also put on the cover of American Rifleman, the claim that the best way to beat Obama was to purchase their "challenge coin". Seriously WTF?

Yet, despite Romney's long history of being a complete anti-gunner, including signing a ban of assault rifles and a ban on semi-autos, they endorsed him for president. I've been a life member of the NRA for 25 years and I'm seriously considering cancelling that membership. They've put hack partisan politics over gun rights as their main agenda.

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"Just how stupid do they think we are"?

Pretty damn. And they're right. You are unfortunately an outlier, NFA.

They're right about the zombie apocalypse, just wrong about who the zombies are. If you want to see a group of unthinking, shambling rubes who are hostile to brains, look no further than the people stocking up on crazy amounts of guns and ammunition because of Obama's reelection/zombies/the end of the world/etc.

NFA:sammyk: "The numbers seem to support his argument. In Virginia, for example, gun ownership soared 73% between 2006-2011. Over the same period gun related violent crimes actually fell 24 percent."

I'm guessing this trend had more to do with changes in gun carry laws than the election of president Obama. Although the NRA had done nothing but tell lie after lie stating that Obama has grand plans to confiscate guns and give the UN control of our gun ownership. They also put on the cover of American Rifleman, the claim that the best way to beat Obama was to purchase their "challenge coin". Seriously WTF?

Yet, despite Romney's long history of being a complete anti-gunner, including signing a ban of assault rifles and a ban on semi-autos, they endorsed him for president. I've been a life member of the NRA for 25 years and I'm seriously considering cancelling that membership. They've put hack partisan politics over gun rights as their main agenda.

The "Zombie apocalypse" is just a politically-correct, tongue-in-cheek way of saying what is more commonly called "S*** Hits the Fan": a short- to mid-term breakdown in infrastructure and order due to any number of causes, ranging from natural disasters (q.v., Hurricane Katrina) or a pandemic disease outbreak to a major social/economic/political crisis (q.v., Iraqi Civil War, American Civil War or, on a smaller scale, the 1992 LA riots).

Compare with TEOTWAWKI ("The End of the World As We Know It"), which is a long-term collapse of civilization and return to a pre-industrial (likely Dark Ages) lifestyle due to a more extreme disaster (like an asteroid strike).

// kind of looking forward to the Zombie Apocalypse/ not looking forward to TEOTWAWKI

NFA:Pud: Well, is anyone actually worried about those sparkly vampires? The werewolves are just kindred souls, and witches are just misunderstood. Now the zombies on the other hand .....

Believe it or not, you can buy both silver plated bullet AND zombie loads. Seriously are gun owners really that stupid? Some gun ranges also hold zombie shoots.

No, nobody actually believes that zombies are real. It's just fun, and you aren't going to hurt anyone's feelings, like if you had a ginger shoot. Plus, if you're prepared for the zombie apocalypse, you're prepared for just about anything, including earthquakes, floods, plagues, etc... It fact, the CDC published a 'zombie preparedness' pamphlet, for that very reason. It's a fun way to game out disaster scenarios without getting all upset because floods, earthquakes, fires and plagues can actually happen and kill people. Sure, there's the occasional nutcase that takes it too far, but for the most part it's all fun and games with the added benefit of actually learning how to survive a disaster that could really happen.

The anti-zombie stuff is just to be silly - standard ammo with garish printing on the boxes. It's a marketing thing to get some sales off of shows like "The Walking Dead" and the Resident evil movies.

...although some of it's practical, in a sense. If you prepare for the classic "zombie apocalypse," you're going to be ready for just about anything. Even the government and private response trainers use it as a scenario to throw at their response teams, to get them to think about random events and not be so inflexible.

If a gunowner wanted something to actually worry about all one would have to do is look back to the 5-4 SCOTUS Heller decision. Just sayin.

/ and, yes, I'm as 100% sure as you are that NOBODY wants to take away your guns// as a country we have abosolutely NOTHING in common with the UK or Australia. Hell, we don't even speak the same language

DragonNerd:The "Zombie apocalypse" is just a politically-correct, tongue-in-cheek way of saying what is more commonly called "S*** Hits the Fan": a short- to mid-term breakdown in infrastructure and order due to any number of causes, ranging from natural disasters (q.v., Hurricane Katrina) or a pandemic disease outbreak to a major social/economic/political crisis (q.v., Iraqi Civil War, American Civil War or, on a smaller scale, the 1992 LA riots).

Compare with TEOTWAWKI ("The End of the World As We Know It"), which is a long-term collapse of civilization and return to a pre-industrial (likely Dark Ages) lifestyle due to a more extreme disaster (like an asteroid strike).

// kind of looking forward to the Zombie Apocalypse/ not looking forward to TEOTWAWKI

The end of the world as we know it seems like a good thing have a look around next time your in public

Void_Beavis:NFA: sammyk: "The numbers seem to support his argument. In Virginia, for example, gun ownership soared 73% between 2006-2011. Over the same period gun related violent crimes actually fell 24 percent."

I'm guessing this trend had more to do with changes in gun carry laws than the election of president Obama. Although the NRA had done nothing but tell lie after lie stating that Obama has grand plans to confiscate guns and give the UN control of our gun ownership. They also put on the cover of American Rifleman, the claim that the best way to beat Obama was to purchase their "challenge coin". Seriously WTF?

Yet, despite Romney's long history of being a complete anti-gunner, including signing a ban of assault rifles and a ban on semi-autos, they endorsed him for president. I've been a life member of the NRA for 25 years and I'm seriously considering cancelling that membership. They've put hack partisan politics over gun rights as their main agenda.

NFA:sammyk: "The numbers seem to support his argument. In Virginia, for example, gun ownership soared 73% between 2006-2011. Over the same period gun related violent crimes actually fell 24 percent."

I'm guessing this trend had more to do with changes in gun carry laws than the election of president Obama. Although the NRA had done nothing but tell lie after lie stating that Obama has grand plans to confiscate guns and give the UN control of our gun ownership. They also put on the cover of American Rifleman, the claim that the best way to beat Obama was to purchase their "challenge coin". Seriously WTF?

Yet, despite Romney's long history of being a complete anti-gunner, including signing a ban of assault rifles and a ban on semi-autos, they endorsed him for president. I've been a life member of the NRA for 25 years and I'm seriously considering cancelling that membership. They've put hack partisan politics over gun rights as their main agenda.

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There is more stupid in heaven and earth, Horatio,Than are dreamt of in your partisan wetdreams

Having firearms to stop the zombies is a good idea, but honestly, it's a last resort. Any loud noise like a firearm discharging will do nothing more than alert other zombies to your presence. On the other hand, it's not like you want to get close to them to kill them with an ax or a machete. Too much risk. Best bet is to avoid them and go somewhere that doesn't have zombies.

"They're defending themselves because they know that even though the police try to do a real good job...when seconds count as they say the police are minutes are away. People have decided 'Hey I can't wait for the cavalry to come to my rescue I've got to defend myself and my family and my home,'" he said.

Don't be an idiot. Criminals don't want to fark with you or your family, they want your 52" TV and laptop and jewelry.

Me, I'm not sure I could live with killing someone for wanting to steal a TV. Imported Chinese electronics just don't matter to me that much, I guess.

starsrift:Don't be an idiot. Most Criminals don't want to fark with you or your family, they want your 52" TV and laptop and jewelry.

Me, I'm not sure I could live with killing someone for wanting to steal a TV. Imported Chinese electronics just don't matter to me that much, I guess.

There are criminals that do want to fark with you and/or your family. Rapists, serial killers, etc. Others who just want your stuff are very desperate and will kill/hurt you if they think you'll turn them in or they'll get caught.

I personally think that a lot of increases in gun ownership are happening for four reasons.

1) Fear of a new assault weapons ban without a sunset provision (which wouldn't happen for at least 2 more years due to congressional make-up right now)

2) More and more people have come out of the "guns are evil" mindset and are finding out that going to the range, competitive shooting, and collecting (especially historical weapons) is interesting and fun.

3) More people are interested in exercising the rights guaranteed them by the constitution

4) And finally, they're a fantastic investment. Case in point. Mosin Nagants. Before I got my C&R (03-Federal Firearms License) I bought my first Mosin about 5 or 6 years ago. It was $75 from a Pawn Shop in WV. Straight from the arsenal in Bulgaria still covered in cosmoline and wrapped in paper. Now, with my C&R which allows me to transfer firearms 50 years of age or older, or which are on the C&R list across state lines letting me buy direct from importers and wholesalers, round-receiver Mosin Nagants are (on the low end) $100. Most going for $125-$150 WHOLESALE! So figure my Mosin at retail was $50. For Wholesale it was probably $50 or less. They've effectively doubled and tripled in value over 5-6 years. That's a lot better than returns on a lot of stocks and mutuals out there. Just this year, I turned a $500 profit on a M4 profile AR simply by having fun with it for 2 years.

I just took my mandatory gun safety class to get my license to carry in Massachusetts. The class had 30 or so people in it. Aside from a couple military folks who had just moved to the area, the class consisted of young 20-somethings in NFL jerseys asking questions such as, "So if I have a class "A" license (carry concealed) I can bring my gun into the Garden at a Celtics game and no one can say shiat?" The instructor told them that no one will say anything because they will never know you're carrying because the gun should be CONCEALED. The kid pressed on, presenting scenarios in which he's pulling the gun out in the stands to break up a fight. Bottom line, between these buffoons and some of the anti-Obama gun nuts, there are a lot of REALLY stupid people out there getting guns.

NFA:Yet, despite Romney's long history of being a complete anti-gunner, including signing a ban of assault rifles and a ban on semi-autos, they endorsed him for president. I've been a life member of the NRA for 25 years and I'm seriously considering cancelling that membership. They've put hack partisan politics over gun rights as their main agenda.

As a Massachusetts resident I loved reading the Romney quotes about being a hunter:"I purchased a gun when I was a young man. I've been a hunter pretty much all my life." (Romney's campaign later said he'd been hunting twice, once when he was 15, and once in 2006 at a Republican fundraiser.) "I'm not a big-game hunter. I've made that very clear. I've always been a rodent and rabbit hunter. Small varmints, if you will." He later admitted to saying such things only to win the NRA endorsement. Regardless, in the above-mentioned class the instructor (NRA member) mentioned multiple times that Romney was far more worrisome to him with regards to gun rights than Obama. He also discussed the assault weapon ban in Massachusetts and how ridiculous it was.

Void_Beavis:NFA: sammyk: "The numbers seem to support his argument. In Virginia, for example, gun ownership soared 73% between 2006-2011. Over the same period gun related violent crimes actually fell 24 percent."

I'm guessing this trend had more to do with changes in gun carry laws than the election of president Obama. Although the NRA had done nothing but tell lie after lie stating that Obama has grand plans to confiscate guns and give the UN control of our gun ownership. They also put on the cover of American Rifleman, the claim that the best way to beat Obama was to purchase their "challenge coin". Seriously WTF?

Yet, despite Romney's long history of being a complete anti-gunner, including signing a ban of assault rifles and a ban on semi-autos, they endorsed him for president. I've been a life member of the NRA for 25 years and I'm seriously considering cancelling that membership. They've put hack partisan politics over gun rights as their main agenda.

So much this.

"So much this" what???

Mitt Romney ceases do be relevant about anything in this country on November 6th. Playing a twisted sort of "But Bush" game with a guy who DIDN'T get elected as the focal point is more ridiculous yet.

starsrift:Don't be an idiot. Criminals don't want to fark with you or your family, they want your 52" TV and laptop and jewelry.

...except that's not true.

If someone's kicking in your door while you're home, they're coming in to cause you some personal damage, and possibly kill you and your family. That part is entertainment for some people, and you won't be able to talk them out of it. They take your stuff after they have their fun, as a bonus.

If they're only coming for the TV and jewelry, they burglarize the place while you're at work - they don't crash through the door while you're watching said TV.

starsrift:"They're defending themselves because they know that even though the police try to do a real good job...when seconds count as they say the police are minutes are away. People have decided 'Hey I can't wait for the cavalry to come to my rescue I've got to defend myself and my family and my home,'" he said.

Don't be an idiot. Criminals don't want to fark with you or your family, they want your 52" TV and laptop and jewelry.

Me, I'm not sure I could live with killing someone for wanting to steal a TV. Imported Chinese electronics just don't matter to me that much, I guess.

There are many, many more where this came from....in this metro area alone.

Authorities in Marietta are trying to find the man who broke into a home on Hazel Street, and assaulted and robbed an elderly woman.

'Investigators with the Marietta Police Department say a man forced his way into the home early Sunday morning. They say the man overpowered the victim, and threatened her if she did not cooperate. He made off with cash and jewelry.