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re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

In order to really have this discussion properly with you it would take hours and hours of educating you, and even then you probably wouldn't even listen.

I would listen... if you could prove that the alternatives actually work.

You can't, because they don't. Study after study have shown they don't. If they did, I'd happily suggest using them, and encourage further study to understand how and why.

No data, no credibility. Them's the breaks.

The medical system is broken. If vaccines are the only thing standing between us and epidemics then we're pretty S.O.L. because the vaccines won't last forever.

How we pay for health care in the US is a problem -- in part because it's so good, that people are living long enough to develop some pretty serious and expensive illnesses. The system itself isn't perfect, but the general concept works very well. So well that people like you can take it for granted, and complain when it doesn't work like magic and heal people overnight.

There is no question that vaccines are the only thing preventing us from getting polio and smallpox, and they do a very good job at protecting against other diseases. Millions of lives could be saved and/or spared agony if we can develop vaccines for HIV/AIDS, Ebola, and other diseases.

You should also keep in mind that vaccines are not like antibiotics. Diseases rarely develop a resistance to vaccines, and we can develop vaccines for the resistant strains.

Nothing you've said even remotely disproves this, you aren't even trying. No data, no credibility.

There are many holes in this argument. First, this was a self-referred cohort without a control group. Second, in Great Britain, approximately 50,000 children one to two years of age receive the MMR vaccine each month; this is a time when autism typically presents, making this likely a coincidental association. Third, the MMR vaccine has not been found to cause chronic intestinal inflammation. Fourth, no toxic encephalopathic proteins traveling from the intestine to the brain have ever been identified. Instead, genes that code for endogenous proteins, which influence neuronal synapse function, have been identified in children with autism.3

re: Vaccine Critics Turn Defensive Over Measles [W:1210]

I would listen... if you could prove that the alternatives actually work.

You can't, because they don't.

Yeah, that really inspires me to put actually work into this discussion.

Originally Posted by Visbek

How we pay for health care in the US is a problem -- in part because it's so good,

Originally Posted by Visbek

There is no question that vaccines are the only thing preventing us from getting polio and smallpox, and they do a very good job at protecting against other diseases. Millions of lives could be saved and/or spared agony if we can develop vaccines for HIV/AIDS, Ebola, and other diseases.

Sigh... I never disputed that.

Originally Posted by Visbek

You should also keep in mind that vaccines are not like antibiotics. Diseases rarely develop a resistance to vaccines, and we can develop vaccines for the resistant strains.

Do you have some kind of self-talk program running? I know what vaccines are and what they do, ffs.

Originally Posted by Visbek

Nothing you've said even remotely disproves this, you aren't even trying. No data, no credibility.

In case you haven't noticed, I'm not really trying.

If you believe so strongly in vaccines then go get vaccinated. As I said it has nothing to do with me.