Where are you getting that only 30% have cleared 16/16? My guild runs 2 seperate 10m groups both only raid 2 nights a week 6 hours total a week and were able to clear 16/16 in both groups no problem. I think 30% is incorrect. If it is correct however I will be shocked. So pls, show me.

You could put the efforts into it (or anyone else) and check the progress of the realms via wowprogress. Their data can be a little bit off, but in overall it would still give a margin within a few % error range.
Quick example.. I looked at illidan, #1 US realm....
120 guilds have a full clear normal mode or better.... 293 guilds total are listed for the current tier.

So what your saying is, because you can't finish the raid in 5 months you want everyone else to wait for you to finish before they get new content?

What you can or cannot do is absolutely invalid towards others. That's what I said... Covering BOTH sides of the aisle.
For all you have to contribute is just one thing, YOUR opinion. Your opinion is as valid or invalid as anyone else opinion.
I have nowhere made any other statement in that post. You are reading something into it, because you want to, since you made up your own mind, and for you it's the only valid conclusion. But you are wrong with that mindset (even if you would be right with the claim, which is another topic entirely).

Where are you getting that only 30% have cleared 16/16? My guild runs 2 seperate 10m groups both only raid 2 nights a week 6 hours total a week and were able to clear 16/16 in both groups no problem. I think 30% is incorrect. If it is correct however I will be shocked. So pls, show me.

for decent raiding guilds, 30% is laughable, since pretty much everyone cleared 16/16 normals, they put that low percentage with all the casual guilds in the world, who maybe one day formed a 10 man party and went to MSV jsut to be crashed by stone guards, and never went there again.

In BC you didn't just say "Hey BT is out time to jump from Kara to BT". Granted once again attunements stopped that, but attunements were removed not long into BT and you still didn't just waltz into BT with kara gear because a new raid was out.

What really happened was once BT came out those guilds lucky enough to run it were poaching people from all the guilds below them not as far along.

Those of us without the gear and progression were forced into endless guild hopping from one to another as the hardcores in BT devoured one guild after another to replace their ever burning out members.

Just because a new raid is out doesn't mean you can't raid 5.0 content. End. Of. Story

yes you can, but spending time in old content when a new raid out is something nobody wants to do and perfectly good guilds suffer for it.
Nobody wants to be stuck in progression behind a bugger of a boss, and the TBC system did exactly that, no wonder only 1% saw Illidan and fewer saw KJ.

You could put the efforts into it (or anyone else) and check the progress of the realms via wowprogress. Their data can be a little bit off, but in overall it would still give a margin within a few % error range.
Quick example.. I looked at illidan, #1 US realm....
120 guilds have a full clear normal mode or better.... 293 guilds total are listed for the current tier.

Yes I posted earlier that Wowprogress.com does hold the #s. I check them often and update to get an idea. But I am sure Blizz themselves holds the exact % of guilds who were able to accomplish the 16/16 before 5.2. 16 sounds like a lot of Boss's and a lot of content but if you have a group of 10 and at least 7 of them have great awareness/common sense its an easy goal to meet in 5 months.

Those People can't be seroius. Why are there already people complaining about the release of 5.2 in two weeks? The people used to cry about no content the last expansions... I just don't get it. What's wrong with them?

If aliens landed tomorow and made everyone immortal, gave us technology for free and told us the secrets of the universe, there would STILL be a few people whining. Point is, with a community as large as wow's there's bound to be people that disagree. Just plain maths.

That doesn't make it any less dumb. It's still an extremely dumb reaction to this specific news.

I personally feel the 5.2 release is right on schedule. Blizz did anounce a while ago content would start coming faster to keep people happy. For those casuals it means they will get a new LFR to enjoy Everyone will get something from this.

Yes I posted earlier that Wowprogress.com does hold the #s. I check them often and update to get an idea. But I am sure Blizz themselves holds the exact % of guilds who were able to accomplish the 16/16 before 5.2. 16 sounds like a lot of Boss's and a lot of content but if you have a group of 10 and at least 7 of them have great awareness/common sense its an easy goal to meet in 5 months.

I agree here.
For normal modes definitely the case, even when done on a rather casual level, and for some heroic modes on top with a bit more motivation.

My very own opinion is, that I believe the patch is slightly too soon.. I did expect it to hit more like 4 weeks from now, instead of 2 weeks. The 2 weeks I'm off aren't too big of a deal I suppose.

maybe because we are still at a model where only a small percentage of players has fully cleared the content and the enabled comunity feels in some way that they are less entitled and catered to when expansions are dropped quickly putting the leaders farther ahead while those that are behind continue to drop farther behind?

maybe because we are still at a model where only a small percentage of players has fully cleared the content and the enabled comunity feels in some way that they are less entitled and catered to when expansions are dropped quickly putting the leaders farther ahead while those that are behind continue to drop farther behind?

further behind what? why do you care what other guilds doing atm? I don't see your guild in WoW first race. You should concentrate on what you're doing and clear T14 or with that gear you will not even kill first boss in T15 anyway.

further behind what? why do you care what other guilds doing atm? I don't see your guild in WoW first race. You should concentrate on what you're doing and clear T14 or with that gear you will not even kill first boss in T15 anyway.

Hard to do when your best players leave to do T15.

TBC was a clusterfuck unless you were at the bleeding edge, lets hope that they aren';t going to make the same mistake again.

further behind what? why do you care what other guilds doing atm? I don't see your guild in WoW first race. You should concentrate on what you're doing and clear T14 or with that gear you will not kill even first boss in T15 anyway.

Very true. As long as you are having fun with your guild/raid team thats all that matters. I cannot count the times we would have a random wipe and bust up laughing. Example: Our OT taunted Koalon on Elite Protectors as they were circling the edge of the room and he backs up to the stairs where Lei Shi trash spawns, Koalon was at 15% health, he resets. Everyone busted up laughing.

And serious raiders that are even attempting heroic modes are in the vast minority of the WoW population, so if anything, you don't get an opinion on this.

If you haven't cleared full 16/16H in 5 months, you're not as good as you think you are, no one cares about World 401st and your FoS other than you.

No one cares about the other world 400 as well, this is a game ppl generaly play to have fun (I do at least), either way Id like to have enought time to finish the freaking tier makes absolutely no sense that the largest raid tier ever is gona stay around for the shortest amount time as well. Not everyone has no life and can devote 400 hours a week to raiding, I only raid like 7-8 hours per week and am 10/16 heroic wich is pretty reasonable, Id like blizz to give these kind of ppl (wich believe it or not is the majority of the raiding comunity) the chance to at least have a shot at the sha and not rush the next raid tier like theyre doing.

Theres also the issue with the testign if they do release the patch in 2 weeks the raid testing is not gone be properly finished and we all know what happens when patches go live without proper testing.

And stop saying a raid patch is not aimmed at raiders, ye theres a bunch of other stuf on the patch as well but the main focus is the raid and the new PvP season. This argument that the raiding community is the minority is old first because its entirely not true, everyone does LFR nowadays, it is raiding wheter you want ot adimit it or not and secondly because if you remove raiding from WoW youll see the game die in a hearthbeat, even for ppl who dont raid the raid is the carrot on the stick.