I just wanted to say thanks to those answering this post - and I genuinely appreciate the calm responses given! I'm certainly beginning to understand why the same links are posted time and time again, since Antis come on and ask the same simplistic questions time and time again.

My major objection in terms of posts appearing and being removed, relates to a discussion where a WN was trying to say that I was brainwashed and had not come to conclusions by way of my own free will. I suggested that my posts showed that this was clearly not the case, another Anti posted to the effect of “Warrior UK has shown he’s not blinded / brainwashed.” There was also an observation about the WN attacking me, rather than my arguments. Then this supporting post disappeared. It was as if having another Anti express the opinion that I was not brainwashed could not be allowed. Regardless of specific issues that were being discussed, I’m sure you can understand why I object to this situation.

I understand. Actually, this is kind of frustrating for me, too, since I can't find any of your posts in Review (which is a closed forum viewable only by moderators; it's where we're supposed to put all the questionable posts). If you remember which thread it was in, I can see if I can find if it was "soft-deleted," which would give me the chance to view it and give you any feedback on why it might have been removed. If it was deleted in queue or otherwise permanently ashcanned, then it's gone.

I can't explain every little occurrence here, but overall, I think we try to be fair. But we're not always perfect.

And to be honest, there have been a few times where I've deleted stuff by accident. It was just plain human error. Or sometimes, my browser or the system server might hang up, and strange things happen.

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In terms of some of the other issues, I will perhaps (as suggested) try to address them individually, using examples to show what I mean.

Leaving aside

(1) The Antis who just appear, write a couple of stupid insulting posts and disappear

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(2) The WN's who seem less concerned about arguing for Whites and more concerned with attacking other races

We are left with a community of people who are striving to make the world a better place. Antis and WNs may have fundamental disagreements regarding the cause and solutions of worldly problems (and there are obviously differences of opinions within the groups), but there are also many areas of common ground, particularly with respect to globalisation and the world economy. This provides me with a glimpse of optimism in what I sometimes view as a doomed world!

Well, even despite my cynical ways, I am also optimistic for the future. But we can't ignore the ideological intransigence that we're up against. I think that one thing that's always struck me about antis is their intense arrogance and stubborness in adhering to the party line just for its own sake. With few exceptions, they never even want to consider even the remotest possibility that White Nationalists might be correct in their perspectives and assessment of the overall world condition.

This comes through loud and clear in their forms of expression, demonstrating that they haven't given a single consideration or one iota of respect to the views espoused here. They come in here automatically thinking that we are wrong, and every one of their posts is an attempt to make that point, no matter what we say or do in justification for our beliefs. Even if there's a 1% chance that we might be right, antis seem to be deathly afraid to admit the possibility, as if it would be a concession or a sign of weakness.

My skepticism and suspicions about anti-racism arose initially from its outright arrogance and conceit, along with a bombastic pseudo-intellectualism which is enough to really make you shake your head.

In a sense, the pro-globalist forces are quite similar in their tack and methods of promoting their agenda. Globalists and anti-racists use strikingly similar PR techniques. Globalists often talk about the world economy as being a "done deal," as natural as the Earth revolving around the Sun, and this is the height of immeasurable hubris to make such declarations. If for no other reason, those arrogant twits deserve a heavy comeuppance. They need to be put into their place.

The leftists are total wussies - a bunch of quasi-populist fags, tree-huggers, and feminists who burst into tears if they get a hangnail. They'll never get anything done. Rightists are the ones with the edge. We just don't have as large a following because some people think we're a bit too "over the edge," but that's the way you have to be in this world, and the sooner people realize that, the better off we'll be. Our enemies do not respect weakness. Now, if the globalists were nice, decent people who could be reasoned with, then it might be a different story, but they're not. They're fanatically devoted to their ideal of globalism, so we're dealing with religious zealots. There is no reasoning with them. There is no compromise with them. There is no settling for the "lesser of two evils," since the two evils are one and the same.

I think that one thing that's always struck me about antis is their intense arrogance and stubborness in adhering to the party line just for its own sake. With few exceptions, they never even want to consider even the remotest possibility that White Nationalists might be correct in their perspectives and assessment of the overall world condition.

This comes through loud and clear in their forms of expression, demonstrating that they haven't given a single consideration or one iota of respect to the views espoused here. They come in here automatically thinking that we are wrong, and every one of their posts is an attempt to make that point, no matter what we say or do in justification for our beliefs. Even if there's a 1% chance that we might be right, antis seem to be deathly afraid to admit the possibility, as if it would be a concession or a sign of weakness.

As a generalisation, I can say the same thing about WNs. Without going through every single one of my posts; I can only remember a WN conceding one of my arguments (I was arguing that MTV would not be able to overwrite the biological imperative of a heterosexual male and 'turn' them into a homosexual). I would like to think that my posts on Russian History may prevent the Jews being blamed for the Ukranian famine, and the Romanov's murders being viewed as a racial crime. I won't hold my breath though.

Most people who post regularly on SF are passionate about their beliefs, and this can lead to dogmatic views on both sides. "Even if there's a 1% chance that we might be right, antis seem to be deathly afraid to admit the possibility". The same can be said of WNs, Marxists, Fascists, religious fanatics and any other group who are dogmatically self-assured about their beliefs.

In terms of disappearing posts, I noticed that my post on “Israel is the greatest country on this earth” must have appeared at least 24 hours after being posted (by which point the discussion had completely moved on, so I don’t even know how many people saw the post.)

It was on the Fear and Hatred thread that the posts supporting my views appeared and then disappeared.

Just a couple of days ago, I tried to post a very uncontroversial piece on the Zionism thread (in General Questions and Comments). My post was actually about survey data rather than Zionism itself, but it did not show up.

I do understand that there can be the odd delay, technical problem, accidental deletion etc, but it does seem like a few Antis end up getting frustrated because the above issues and the censorship issues are more likely to effect us than WNs. I have no problem if a post violates the rules and is not shown, but it’s the non-appearing post’s that don’t violate rules that particularly annoy, as it can give the impression that we have no response to the WN arguments.

Incidentally, I genuinely wish that there was more open debate in society regarding racial issues – trying to pretend these issues don’t exist, or censoring WN views (views which are not directly inciting racial hatred) is of little benefit to anybody. Such an open debate might also highlight the issues of anti-White racism, which although I believe is less prevalent than anti-minority racism, is still something that needs to be addressed.

Indeed that is exactly what happens here, I know I made at least 3 posts here that never made it into threads. I believe there is a deliberate effort to censor those things which debunks their ideology or things they(white nationalists) cannot answer without some sort of propaganda. This kind of closeminded thinking is what facilitates brainwashing. If everything the white nationalists say in here is true they should have no problems either answering the questions or allowing all the posts by antis to be viewed, sop that they can be answered. Since its not happening I assume there is something to hide, I'll se surprised if this post even makes it.

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There is a device here known as "the PM." It's the Private Messaging button...With this, you can send all the arguments you want to a specific individual for a little one-on-one loving.

Feel free to PM any argument/evidence you have.

Of course, if you do send a PM, then you can no longer hide behind the "help help I'm being repressed" line. (With apologies to Monty Python)

As a generalisation, I can say the same thing about WNs. Without going through every single one of my posts; I can only remember a WN conceding one of my arguments (I was arguing that MTV would not be able to overwrite the biological imperative of a heterosexual male and 'turn' them into a homosexual).

Without going into the specifics of this argument, I would say that there are other perspectives on this. Now, obviously, some WN might not express themselves or their arguments very coherently - this is more a human failing not necessarily related to the merits of the ideology itself. I tend to judge the ideology of anti-racism not so much by the average anti here in this forum (although I do mention it often), but more by how it is handled at the establishment level.

So, yes, there are bad debaters from both sides of the issue. But for the anti side, they're mostly just repeating stuff they may have misheard or misunderstood from the mainstream media or something their college professors might have told them. And that's another thing I notice is quite common - many, if not most, antis tend to be college or high school age, without very much life experience. They seem so surprised to learn that some of us went to college, too. When they come in here, their rhetoric indicates that they are very smugly underestimating their opposition, and I think this is even true at the establishment level. Most antis tend to remind of the line from "Return of the Jedi," in which Luke Skywalker proclaims to the Emporer: "Your overconfidence is your weakness." I recognize that as being the most glaring weakness among the establishment and its vacuous followers, and that is what gives me hope for the future.

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I would like to think that my posts on Russian History may prevent the Jews being blamed for the Ukranian famine, and the Romanov's murders being viewed as a racial crime. I won't hold my breath though.

Well, that's just another perspective on history. I think that the general view is that the Bolsheviks were responsible for the murder of the Romanovs and the Ukrainian famine, among other heinous atrocities, and it seems relevant to point out that the inordinate number of Jews among the Bolsheviks.

I don't know if it was actually a "racial crime," as they certainly couldn't wipe out the entire non-jewish population of Russia, but it does demonstrate a profound indifference and callous disregard for non-jewish lives. The very fact that so much public attention is placed upon the "Holocaust," while very little attention was paid to the Soviet atrocities, is a clear indication of this. Even during the Cold War, when there was certainly good cause to paint the Soviets as monsters, they didn't go near far enough in their criticisms and condemnations. Despite all the lip service during the Cold War and even Reagan's proclamation of "Evil Empire," the whole thing has to be looked upon as a big joke now. Now that the "Evil Empire" has fallen, you'd think that there'd be more public discussion of the ramifications of it all, as well as an accounting of the human toll brought about by Marx's philosophy.

Why have schoolkids never heard of Stalin or Mao, while everyone knows about Hitler? Why aren't leftists and Marxists ostracized and marginalized even more than White Nationalists? When you consider this, the Jewish involvement in Bolshevism is put into a different perspective.

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Most people who post regularly on SF are passionate about their beliefs, and this can lead to dogmatic views on both sides. "Even if there's a 1% chance that we might be right, antis seem to be deathly afraid to admit the possibility". The same can be said of WNs, Marxists, Fascists, religious fanatics and any other group who are dogmatically self-assured about their beliefs.

Speaking for myself, I do acknowledge a level of uncertainty in any ideology or assessment of the human condition. Of course, I must admit to having a certain stubborn and arrogant side, too, depending on how heated a discussion might become. But at the end of the day, when the light is off and the door is locked, how can we be sure of anything?

However, when speaking of antis, I'm not just talking about those who come to this forum, but also from what I've observed in public discourse about more "mainstream"-oriented issues. Take, for example, the issue of racial profiling. It's quite clear that there is no honest dialogue on this issue, mainly due to the ideological intransigence of anti-racism. For example, it makes sense for the Border Patrol to racially profile mestizos, since the vast majority of illegal aliens are from that racial group, especially here in the southwestern United States. Similarly, Customs agents and airport security personnel would do well to racially profile Arabs and other Middle Eastern/Muslim ethnic groups. Of course, nobody can actually make these arguments in public discourse, because of the ideological intransigence of anti-racism.

It doesn't matter how sensible, logical, or reasonable the argument is, the anti-racist mentality is to cover their ears, close their eyes, dance around and sing, "I'm not listening. I'm not listening. I'm not listening." These are the anti-racists. This is how I perceive that crowd, and I've been observing them rather closely for the past 15 years or so. It's so widespread and prevalent that it's not even funny anymore. Truly, it is pathetic and pitiful, and this is why I have no respect for that ilk. This is why I oppose everything they stand for.

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In terms of disappearing posts, I noticed that my post on “Israel is the greatest country on this earth” must have appeared at least 24 hours after being posted (by which point the discussion had completely moved on, so I don’t even know how many people saw the post.)

Well, that's one of the drawbacks of posting delay. Sometimes, there are a lot of posts in the moderation queue which may sit in there a while. But since the posts are sorted chronologically based on the time the post is sent, several other posts can show up in the meantime. I suppose it might be better if the post time can show up as the time it actually appears on the board, so it doesn't get buried somewhere further back, but I don't know if that's possible with this software.

There are reasons why we use the moderation queue. Some people bristle at the whole idea, and I can't say that I actually blame them for not wanting to wait for their posts to appear. But if you could see some of the crap that people try to post here, you'd understand the situation we're in. I'm not talking about trolls as much as outright threats and calls for violence. That sort of stuff just can't fly, and with the size and number of forums here, it would be very easy for someone to slip in a clinker like that which could be a very serious liability for Stormfront. Because of the amount of attention this forum gets, we're not inclined to screw around on that score.

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It was on the Fear and Hatred thread that the posts supporting my views appeared and then disappeared.

I went back to that thread to see if I could find if the posts might have been soft-deleted in there, but it's a long thread and a lot to wade through. You did have quite a number of posts which did appear in that thread, though.

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Just a couple of days ago, I tried to post a very uncontroversial piece on the Zionism thread (in General Questions and Comments). My post was actually about survey data rather than Zionism itself, but it did not show up.

I do understand that there can be the odd delay, technical problem, accidental deletion etc, but it does seem like a few Antis end up getting frustrated because the above issues and the censorship issues are more likely to effect us than WNs. I have no problem if a post violates the rules and is not shown, but it’s the non-appearing post’s that don’t violate rules that particularly annoy, as it can give the impression that we have no response to the WN arguments.

Well, I promise you that that is not the case at all, at least not as a matter of board policy. I suppose with antis, we have the perspective of "seeing it all before," and what might seem unfair to the relative newcomer would be put into a different perspective by those who have been around longer.

I do understand, though, what you're saying, and I can't say that everything we do is perfect. For discretionary reasons, I can't go into the details, but I don't agree with everything that every moderator does. However, I agree with the board policy; it's just that in practice, it doesn't always account for every occurrence or contingency.

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Incidentally, I genuinely wish that there was more open debate in society regarding racial issues – trying to pretend these issues don’t exist, or censoring WN views (views which are not directly inciting racial hatred) is of little benefit to anybody. Such an open debate might also highlight the issues of anti-White racism, which although I believe is less prevalent than anti-minority racism, is still something that needs to be addressed.

I remember back to a time when there seemed to be more open and honest dialogue about the issues in question. If you look back to some of the public debates of the 1960s and even the 70s, could we have those debates today under the current doctrine of Political Correctness (something that became more prevalent in the 1980s)? Instead of allowing opinions to flow more freely, they tried silence it all and sweep it under the rug.

As for "racism," I mentioned to White Internationalist that it's a rather loaded and often misinterpreted term anyway. There are also different forms and manifestations of "racism," and this tends to confuse people as well. There are the oft-maligned "institutional" forms of "racism," such as slavery, segregation, Jim Crow, etc. Those forms are long gone, and even the "racist" ideology is only really manifested in such marginalized groups as White Nationalists. Whatever forms of anti-minority "racism" might still be prevalent are what some might call "stealth racists," but even they, too, are often maligned in the "mainstream" political consciousness. Then, there might also be street-level "racism" of sorts, but it's hard to gauge how much that actually occurs or how prevalent it is. I think it's far more anti-White in its nature and scope than it is the reverse. However, the main point to consider is the public policy and the rhetoric in the media and "mainstream" political discourse. This is clearly anti-White, and combined with Political Correctness to quell any potential dissent against these anti-White policies, it makes for an absolutely unacceptable situation which demands a solution.

That, along with notions which deny the existence of race entirely and speak of eradicating "Whiteness," one has to wonder exactly what the agenda is here. If it's simply a matter of fairness, kindness, compassion, and humanitarianism, that's one thing - these are positive human traits. However, I think that these are still possible without denying the existence of race entirely or eradicating racial awareness or pride altogether. This is what's happening, and the long-term ramifications and consequences of these policies could have a devastating impact in the centuries to come. Even though it doesn't seem like it, I can perceive that we are going through a massive transformation in this world. Despite common anti criticisms to the contrary, I don't fear change, even on such a monumental scale, but the trouble is that there are forces and influences at work which are pushing through these changes while insisting that everyone keep their eyes shut.

I doubt this will make it to the board, but hopefully it will be read by at least some moderators. The last few days, around 1 in 10 attempts to post have been successful. If this was the case for most regular users, I'm sure they would just stop posting and leave.

I stick to the rules of the forum (far more so than the WNs who break the rules - see personal insults or religions discussion of any religion that is not Christianity for examples), but my posts do not appear.

It is particularly galling when ill-thought Antis post garbage - the same garbage that has been posted numerous times before, and this is shown (because their terrible posts are so easy to take apart), while so many of mine are not shown. I'm sure most intelligent Antis get bored of this and disappear.

It is extra frustrating when I am asked questions (as I have been on the Holocaust denial is counter-productive thread) and then my replies do not appear (as if to suggest that I simply have no answer to the question posed).

So your avocation of free speech comes with caveats. You are frustrated that you are denied free speech (fair enough) but you randomly or systematically deny it to those who want to engage in intelligent debate, while allowing it to WNs or the most un-intelligent Antis who by way of their own stupidity give you a chance to destroy them and make your case.

You laugh about "one post wonders", but most of the mods seem to have absolutely no intention of letting real debate take place. If an Anti is engaged in a debate with 10 WNs, I don’t even bother try to join in anymore, because most of the time, any view that supports the Anti will not appear. This way, any neutral reading the site will be more likely to believe the WN view, since 10 minds are more persuasive than 1.

My frustration is so great, I have resorted to stapling my cat to the wall. I will not un-pin her in the foreseeable future.

Not that I have any say in the matter, but WarriorUK has so far been an intelligent poster who to the best of my knowledge has not attempted to disrupt the forum or any discussions in any way. I always thought that the policy of moderation is here to ensure that the forum is not disrupted and since WarriorUK does not appear to be a risk in this regard would it not be better to unmoderate him? Apart from the convenience for him, it would even save the moderators some work.

Just a thought - ultimately it is obviously in the hands of the moderators.

Eh, quit your whining. You still get far more leeway around here than any of us would get on an anti board.

But this is the point, WN's cannot complain about being censored if they then do the same to people that disagree with them. You need to rise above it and show that you're allowing free speech to others even though you are often denied it yourselves.

Who are you sir, to dare to remove the fundamental human right of any human being and therefore WN's to complain?

Are we supposed to remain silent, and not voice our complaints?

What an exceedingly abhorrent fascist viewpoint!

You sir, disgust me.

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if they then do the same to people that disagree with them.

That is another typical baseless slanderous and defamatory accusation, that lacks any merit whatsoever.

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You need to rise above it and show that you're allowing free speech to others even though you are often denied it yourselves.

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Oh, but we have risen above it, sir.

The very fact that we have a large opposing views forum, shows exactly how much we respect freedom of speech.

The fact that we prohibit ethnic and racial slurs and personal flaming, shows that we have far more respect for morality and good manners (both traditional White European cultural traits) than the present-day terminally ill parody of a democratic society, that promotes along with multi-culturalism and multi-racialism all kinds of other foulness, abominations and obscenity.

WN's cannot complain about being censored if they then do the same to people that disagree with them.

He was not saying don't complain about being censored, full stop, he was saying don't complain about being censored and then censor other people. Splitting the sentence in two is to somewhat misrepresent what was being said.

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That is another typical baseless slanderous and defamatory accusation, that lacks any merit whatsoever.

Are you suggesting that I am not telling the truth about my posting 'problems'? If I try and have no success posting 10 times during a 24 hour period in which other posts appear and further posts replying to those posts appear, I don't think this can be blamed on long moderation queues or technical problems.

If you think that I am lying, them come out and say it. If not, then the accusation above is not quite as baseless and without merit as you suggest.

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The fact that we prohibit ethnic and racial slurs and personal flaming, shows that we have far more respect for morality and good manners ...

A WN responded to an Anti's post yesterday, and one of the WN replies to the Anti was "I hope you die. No one as stupid as you deserves to live." I understand how passionate people can get while arguing, but would an Anti get away with saying this to a WN?