That was an absolute masterclass in realpolitik from the in-the-closet shark-puncher. He's now got a new country to add to his collection, and realistically theres not a bloody thing anyone can do about it, however much blustering they do to try and cover up their impotence

Dave's just popped up on the news to say there will be further consequences for Russia. Further? Further to what?
The Americans have said they will ' stand firm' on potentially bringing in visa restrictions

Yep. The crocodile wrestler must be quaking in his boots! The 'facts on the ground' in Crimea already look pretty permanent to me. It's almost as if it had been planned all along?

Other than that dodgy treaty thing they signed to get the nukes, I don't really see what it's got to do with the EU or the bloody US, Crimea was Russian anyway until Kruschev gave it away in 1954 and lots of them didn't much like that.
What if we'd given Scotland away to Southern Ireland, they then wanted to come back, but the US and Eu started up, what would we think, other than we'd probably have to wall them up...erm come to think of it isn't that's what's going to happen anyway?

derekfish - Member
...What if we'd given Scotland away to Southern Ireland, they then wanted to come back, but the US and Eu started up, what would we think, other than we'd probably have to wall them up...erm come to think of it isn't that's what's going to happen anyway?

No, no, you've got it wrong.

Shift Hadrian's wall further south to stop the barbarians coming north, and give Scotland the north of England.

Then you'll get open access like we have in Scotland. Think of all that lovely riding in the Lake District and Yorkshire and the posh nobs won't be able to do a thing about you going wherever you want. You'll never need to go to a trail park again (unless you want to).

We could call our new country The United Kingdom of Northern Britain.

The killer bonus is once we meld our various cuisines, we'll be able to enjoy deep fried butties after a ride.

Im sure someone smarter than me will tell me why, democratically at least, a Crimean referendum on state affiliation is such a terrible thing.

The Russian ethnic majority in the Crimea was created when Stalin deported huge numbers of the population. So saying self-determination for the Crimea today is good, can be seen as essentially endorsing ethnic cleansing. So, it is basically a total ****ing mess.

The Russian ethnic majority in the Crimea was created when Stalin deported huge numbers of the population. So saying self-determination for the Crimea today is good, can be seen as essentially endorsing ethnic cleansing. So, it is basically a total ****ing mess.

Maybe, but not letting go of things that have happened in the past is a major source of current and future problems.

epicyclo - Member
derekfish - Member
...What if we'd given Scotland away to Southern Ireland, they then wanted to come back, but the US and Eu started up, what would we think, other than we'd probably have to wall them up...erm come to think of it isn't that's what's going to happen anyway?
No, no, you've got it wrong.

Shift Hadrian's wall further south to stop the barbarians coming north, and give Scotland the north of England.

Then you'll get open access like we have in Scotland. Think of all that lovely riding in the Lake District and Yorkshire and the posh nobs won't be able to do a thing about you going wherever you want. You'll never need to go to a trail park again (unless you want to).

We could call our new country The United Kingdom of Northern Britain.

The killer bonus is once we meld our various cuisines, we'll be able to enjoy deep fried butties after a ride.

Hmm if it was up to me that wall would be erected North of the Thames and we'd chuck in all those city boys and anybody else who speaks funny, I wonder if Putin would consider taking Kent into the Russian Federation, well come to think of it the southern bit, I don't expect it be interested in the inbreds North of the Medway.