We do have a 1st Amendment, but I made it very clear when I said "pro athletes" should delete their twitter accounts, because it is unneeded attention and distractions.

That's not solely the fault of the pro athlete. There is the public and the media to blame. Often times, things are said, then twisted or taken out of context.

THAT is a threat to freedom of speech.

Quote:

There is research that suggests that gay people may have hormonal imbalances

Straight people have hormonal imbalances. It's called puberty. Maybe you went through it.

Women have hormonal imbalances, it is called menstruation and menopause. It seems like you went through that for sure.

Quote:

I mean why is it hard to understand that a person could have been born that way or has a condition. So the only ignorant person is you. Open your mind, not everything is black and white. Not every gay man just chose to be gay. Educate yourself because clearly you are not...

I'm fully aware that there is evidence of gay people being born that way. I don't recall ever saying otherwise. If you can find where I did, please do so. Otherwise, save your insults for youself.

Calling it a "condition" is what is ignorant. That would be what you did.

He wrote it himself, the "media" or "public" clearly did not "twist" up his words lmao. Just because you have freedom of speech does not mean that everything you say is ok. Using the "N" word is not right, that is just one example. But since we have the 1st Amendment than I guess you would be ok with it lmao.

Not even going into the whole hormonal imbalance comment you made because obviously that was just you trying to find a way to offend me over the internet lmao. I don't get offended easily, maybe you have weak skin that you believe you would strike a nerve or something lol.

If you are "fully aware that there is evidence of gay people being born that way," then why did you say earlier "Sorry, but I agree with him. I don't understand homosexuality either," clearly you are contradicting yourself.

As far as the insults go, you fired first the moment you said I sounded ignorant. If you ask me that is being hypocritical.

But back to the topic, I can care less what another man says on his twitter account, but Mike Wallace and other Dolphin players should just be more cautious of the things they say on twitter. Why risk your reputation? I just don't see the point of it, like I said, some things are better left unsaid!

But back to the topic, I can care less what another man says on his twitter account, but Mike Wallace and other Dolphin players should just be more cautious of the things they say on twitter. Why risk your reputation? I just don't see the point of it, like I said, some things are better left unsaid!

I think this is what Rich is speaking to. Mike Wallace and every other Dolphin was signed to contribute to a winning football team. Why should they care if what they say is viewed under a microscope? His reputation is on the football field.

Unless what they are saying creates division in the workplace or hurts fan attendance then who really cares? If what he says bothers someone so badly then they don't have to cheer for him or the Dolphins.

But back to the topic, I can care less what another man says on his twitter account, but Mike Wallace and other Dolphin players should just be more cautious of the things they say on twitter. Why risk your reputation? I just don't see the point of it, like I said, some things are better left unsaid!

I think this is what Rich is speaking to. Mike Wallace and every other Dolphin was signed to contribute to a winning football team. Why should they care if what they say is viewed under a microscope? His reputation is on the football field.

Unless what they are saying creates division in the workplace or hurts fan attendance then who really cares? If what he says bothers someone so badly then they don't have to cheer for him or the Dolphins.

How do you not know that there is any Dolphin players or staff members that are gay? I am sure that some players could have a family member or members that are gay. That alone could cause some bad locker room vibes or affect team chemistry... who knows? It's not that simple.

He wrote it himself, the "media" or "public" clearly did not "twist" up his words lmao. Just because you have freedom of speech does not mean that everything you say is ok. Using the "N" word is not right, that is just one example. But since we have the 1st Amendment than I guess you would be ok with it lmao.

Yes, let's compare using racial slurs created by slave owners who oppressed an entire race of people to a guy saying he doesn't understand how a man couldn't want a beautiful woman.

You are an example of rational objectivity.

Quote:

Not even going into the whole hormonal imbalance comment you made because obviously that was just you trying to find a way to offend me over the internet lmao.

I'm just treating you like you treated me.

Quote:

If you are "fully aware that there is evidence of gay people being born that way," then why did you say earlier "Sorry, but I agree with him. I don't understand homosexuality either," clearly you are contradicting yourself.

I don't see what one has to do with the other. Should I understand schizophrenics or autistic children? I didn't realize I had to be an expert in everything to know some things.

Quote:

As far as the insults go, you fired first the moment you said I sounded ignorant. If you ask me that is being hypocritical.

So saying that something you said sounded ignorant is grounds for participating in personal attacks?

I pointed out something you said, I didn't attack you. Big difference.

Quote:

some things are better left unsaid!

How do you think a gay person would feel if they were told they had a "condition"?

How do you not know that there is any Dolphin players or staff members that are gay? I am sure that some players could have a family member or members that are gay. That alone could cause some bad locker room vibes or affect team chemistry... who knows? It's not that simple.

Then they should approach him about it and try to understand what he was trying to say rather than running away with an assumption.

Look, I do NOT condone disrespecting other people's opinions or beliefs, but IMO, this is a very touchy topic as we all know, but I also know people jump all over making this into WAY more than it needs to be just to make even more controversy out of it.

He put a comment out that is now being interpreted by many different folks. For me, I choose not to blow this up into more. Social Media for better or worse does create slip ups too and none of us know where he was really going with the comment made, but he did retract it and apologized IF he offended anyone. That is good enough to me as we are all not perfect anyway, except for maybe the NFLJunkie

But back to the topic, I can care less what another man says on his twitter account, but Mike Wallace and other Dolphin players should just be more cautious of the things they say on twitter. Why risk your reputation? I just don't see the point of it, like I said, some things are better left unsaid!

I think this is what Rich is speaking to. Mike Wallace and every other Dolphin was signed to contribute to a winning football team. Why should they care if what they say is viewed under a microscope? His reputation is on the football field.

Unless what they are saying creates division in the workplace or hurts fan attendance then who really cares? If what he says bothers someone so badly then they don't have to cheer for him or the Dolphins.

How do you not know that there is any Dolphin players or staff members that are gay? I am sure that some players could have a family member or members that are gay. That alone could cause some bad locker room vibes or affect team chemistry... who knows? It's not that simple.

Umm, didn't I say if it creates division in the workplace? Let them address it in a personal manner rather than you or anyone here reading him the riot act.

Lmao "personal attacks" Rich? Yea I got so personal, I simply called you the same term u deemed me first and said to educate yourself on a subject matter before saying you don't understand it. But I'm not the one to go into a back and forth debate on something that none of us can change and clearly nome of us are God lol. If offended you, it wasn't my intention. My intentions on here is to talk Dolphins...

So then again, why post something on twitter that could potentially be devisive if your comments need more explaining to interpret something potentially antagonizing as SMH?

Obviously he didn't think it would be divisive.

There are such things as making mistakes or doing things and getting unexpected results.

It happens all the time, it doesn't make one nefarious or evil or bigoted.

I mean, do you consider yourself nefarious or evil or bigoted considering all you do is come here and antagonize people you disagree with to the point that you got an award for it... and then continued with the antagonizing as a result?

How many of us are straight... and of us.. How many of us can truly say we understand homosexuality.

Exactly. This is such a non story.

The SMH thing could mean a million things. Maybe he was shaking his head.. because like MOST straight men. He doesn't understand it. The truth is.. as he said. He isn't saying there is anything wrong with it.. but rather he didn't understand it. And there is nothing wrong with that IMO.

This country is becoming way to PC. He should not be afraid to voice his opinion about a lack of understanding.. when in no way was he really showing intolerance. Just a lack of knowing.

Frankly.. I'm more disgusted that news organizations are running with this like its a story.. SMH

_________________

Last edited by hypocritex on Mon Apr 29, 2013 3:06 pm, edited 1 time in total.

The fact that it's causing a 60 post back and forth about it is reason enough for it not to be said.

We don't need to hear everyone's inner thoughts all the time... and it's exactly what social media is becoming.

I love the idea of social media for keeping in touch with distance friends, posting pictures of something you're proud of or some fun time you just had. I love social media and everything it has allowed us to do... but one thing I can absolutely not stand is the fact that more often than not, people just don't think before they post.

It's "in the moment" posting that turns into these huge debates. It takes no more than the time it took him to type that to actually think about it and say to himself... "Am I going to offend someone here?".

Yes, Rich, I agree with you that people are trying way too hard to be politically correct in this society... and that's frustrating. At the same time though, accountability has to be held at some point in time. Maybe it's my own personal issues I have to deal with that make me feel this way, but I see it everywhere... especially at work... it's a society of "freedom of speech" as an excuse rather than a right.

There are such things as making mistakes or doing things and getting unexpected results.

It happens all the time, it doesn't make one nefarious or evil or bigoted.

I mean, do you consider yourself nefarious or evil or bigoted considering all you do is come here and antagonize people you disagree with to the point that you got an award for it... and then continued with the antagonizing as a result?

Probably not.

No, I got an award for being a pessimist not for antagonism.

Whether you consider me an antagonizer is irrelevant though considering the source. Thanks though, we should go down this road another 1,000 times. When you clean up your own act come talk to me about cleaning up mine.

The fact that it's causing a 60 post back and forth about it is reason enough for it not to be said.

We don't need to hear everyone's inner thoughts all the time... and it's exactly what social media is becoming.

It's "in the moment" posting that turns into these huge debates. It takes no more than the time it took him to type that to actually think about it and say to himself... "Am I going to offend someone here?".

Of course he didn't ask himself that. He doesn't have tact or apparently "awareness" of the environment in which he's submitting a potentially devisive comment. That doesn't make him a baby killer or a genocidal maniac, but his tweet is a reflection of what is wrong with social media.

The fact that it's causing a 60 post back and forth about it is reason enough for it not to be said.

darn, they should ban the NFL Draft them...

Quote:

We don't need to hear everyone's inner thoughts all the time... and it's exactly what social media is becoming.

You have the option to not hear anyone's inner thoughts. You have a choice, it is not being forced on you.

I for one don't have a Twitter account because I find the entire thing pointless, so I ignore it (except for the Twitter feed on the Phins.com News Wire).

Quote:

but one thing I can absolutely not stand is the fact that more often than not, people just don't think before they post.

So you can't stand yourself then?

Quote:

At the same time though, accountability has to be held at some point in time.

Who holds the people that twist what other people say and turn a molehill into a mountain accountable?

Wow spark the hypocrite again. You sit here and go back and forth with people about personal attacks all day long but you're one of the worst offenders. Just to make things fair I'll be reporting you for your comment. Good day chief.