Mr Guy:mgshamster: Or it may have something to do with genetics. Perhaps those with ancestry closer to the equator prefer darker skin, and those closer to the poles prefer lighter. I don't know; it's just per speculation.

Actually, for me, it's how rich and full her lips are on the left. I associate the pale pinkness on her cheeks and the pale pinkess on her lips with potential warning signs of a respiratory infection.

That's a vicious lie. We're genetically programmed to prefer "healthy" looks, which include color in the face and skin. Tanned skin is one visual indicator of a diet rich in anti-oxidants, which is something we're biologically programmed to prefer. You can test that with small children who haven't let their taught fear of cancer overcome their instincts to prefer symmetry and signs of good health and nutrition. Infants prefer to look at a tanned symmetric face.

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You honestly believe the pale version is superior? I find when I look at the picture, my eyes are drawn left.

My eyes are drawn to where her boobies would appear if she'd only stand up.

That's a vicious lie. We're genetically programmed to prefer "healthy" looks, which include color in the face and skin. Tanned skin is one visual indicator of a diet rich in anti-oxidants, which is something we're biologically programmed to prefer. You can test that with small children who haven't let their taught fear of cancer overcome their instincts to prefer symmetry and signs of good health and nutrition. Infants prefer to look at a tanned symmetric face.

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You honestly believe the pale version is superior? I find when I look at the picture, my eyes are drawn left.

That might be due to the design of the picture. The left side shows more and has a symbol on it.

Or it may have something to do with genetics. Perhaps those with ancestry closer to the equator prefer darker skin, and those closer to the poles prefer lighter. I don't know; it's just per speculation.

xanadian:Oh, hell, what do I know? Maybe skin cancer was the #1 killer back in the paleo age.

In a circle of life kind of way, there's absolutely no coincidence that the anti-oxidants you need to protect your skin from the sun are the exact ones provided by berries and vegetables that you must be in the sun to harvest. Blueberries grow in thickets, carrots and tubers grow in fields, etc etc. Modern society has disconnected our food sources from their purposes, and the reason we cultivated those plants in the first place. Then we suddenly act shocked when we aren't able to do what we used to be able to do, and we act like it's humans that have changed. We have, but only in our heads, not in our genetics. Almost all of us, in pursuit of brain power, have treated the body like a seperate thing that we can let waste away on it's own, because we're "busy". Meanwhile, we all carry twenty or thirty pounds less muscle than we should, and push our body fats and subcutaneous fat layer down to almost nothing, and wonder why we're tired, weak, and sick all the time.

HotWingConspiracy:Mr Guy: mgshamster: Or it may have something to do with genetics. Perhaps those with ancestry closer to the equator prefer darker skin, and those closer to the poles prefer lighter. I don't know; it's just per speculation.

Actually, for me, it's how rich and full her lips are on the left. I associate the pale pinkness on her cheeks and the pale pinkess on her lips with potential warning signs of a respiratory infection.

Are you some sort of medical robot?

Man, I'm starting to feel like it. Once I taught myself how to look, I can't NOT see those sorts of things, you know?

Mr Guy:xanadian: Oh, hell, what do I know? Maybe skin cancer was the #1 killer back in the paleo age.

In a circle of life kind of way, there's absolutely no coincidence that the anti-oxidants you need to protect your skin from the sun are the exact ones provided by berries and vegetables that you must be in the sun to harvest. Blueberries grow in thickets, carrots and tubers grow in fields, etc etc. Modern society has disconnected our food sources from their purposes, and the reason we cultivated those plants in the first place. Then we suddenly act shocked when we aren't able to do what we used to be able to do, and we act like it's humans that have changed. We have, but only in our heads, not in our genetics. Almost all of us, in pursuit of brain power, have treated the body like a seperate thing that we can let waste away on it's own, because we're "busy". Meanwhile, we all carry twenty or thirty pounds less muscle than we should, and push our body fats and subcutaneous fat layer down to almost nothing, and wonder why we're tired, weak, and sick all the time.

Don't most developed nations have an issue with obesity? We're not really pushing our body fat down to nothing.

Mr Guy:HotWingConspiracy: Mr Guy: mgshamster: Or it may have something to do with genetics. Perhaps those with ancestry closer to the equator prefer darker skin, and those closer to the poles prefer lighter. I don't know; it's just per speculation.

Actually, for me, it's how rich and full her lips are on the left. I associate the pale pinkness on her cheeks and the pale pinkess on her lips with potential warning signs of a respiratory infection.

Are you some sort of medical robot?

Man, I'm starting to feel like it. Once I taught myself how to look, I can't NOT see those sorts of things, you know?

Yeah you're drilling down pretty far. I can pick up on general cues, but if I had that level of analysis going on I'd probably never leave the house without a hazmat suit.

That's a vicious lie. We're genetically programmed to prefer "healthy" looks, which include color in the face and skin. Tanned skin is one visual indicator of a diet rich in anti-oxidants, which is something we're biologically programmed to prefer. You can test that with small children who haven't let their taught fear of cancer overcome their instincts to prefer symmetry and signs of good health and nutrition. Infants prefer to look at a tanned symmetric face.

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You honestly believe the pale version is superior? I find when I look at the picture, my eyes are drawn left.

Well, you clearly are as scientific in your research as the tanning industry. Antioxidants are not a sign of health, they're a sign of medical marketing. There are no tangible antioxidants effects any differently than a placebo's effects

I'm a guy... i tan once a week. Is it gayish? Probably. Am i proud of it? No... That said, all things considered, you and me both prefer the version of me that is not pasty white like a zombie, so i will continue to do it.

HotWingConspiracy:Diogenes: HotWingConspiracy: Pretty ham handed operation here. A press release about how you're going to pay scientists to say what you want them to say?

I think these folks have spent too much time microwaving their brains.

Remember when it was the 4 out of 5 experts that counted? Now it's the 5th one who got paid to disagree that matters.

Majority opinion is socialism.

In an effort to offer both sides of issues, media outlets always treat the 5th scientist's opinion on par with the opinion of scientists 1 through 4. This creates the perception that there is no majority opinion.

T.rex:I'm a guy... i tan once a week. Is it gayish? Probably. Am i proud of it? No... That said, all things considered, you and me both prefer the version of me that is not pasty white like a zombie, so i will continue to do it.

Honest question: do you rotate your wiener while tanning or just tan one side?

Also if rotating the wiener, does it come out half as tan as the rest of you?

Also, do you rub tanning oil on the shaft only or the tip and balls as well?

Also, do you spread your asscheeks to make sure it gets tan in there too?

amquelbettamin:T.rex: I'm a guy... i tan once a week. Is it gayish? Probably. Am i proud of it? No... That said, all things considered, you and me both prefer the version of me that is not pasty white like a zombie, so i will continue to do it.

Honest question: do you rotate your wiener while tanning or just tan one side?

Also if rotating the wiener, does it come out half as tan as the rest of you?

Also, do you rub tanning oil on the shaft only or the tip and balls as well?

Also, do you spread your asscheeks to make sure it gets tan in there too?

Serious questions from one heterosexual male to another.

i wear underwear in there, which answers all your questions... I'm more worried about picking up some bed bugs or bacteria than i am, cancer.

Meh. If would rather listen to lobbyists than Doctors, perhaps you deserve to die of skin cancer. I feel the same way about smokers: lung cancer is a horrible way to die - but you can't say you weren't warned.

capt.hollister:HotWingConspiracy: Diogenes: HotWingConspiracy: Pretty ham handed operation here. A press release about how you're going to pay scientists to say what you want them to say?

I think these folks have spent too much time microwaving their brains.

Remember when it was the 4 out of 5 experts that counted? Now it's the 5th one who got paid to disagree that matters.

Majority opinion is socialism.

In an effort to offer both sides of issues, media outlets always treat the 5th scientist's opinion on par with the opinion of scientists 1 through 4. This creates the perception that there is no majority opinion.

I can tell you from my moms friends that the ones with a dark enough complection to tan look like the tan lady from Something about mary now that they are in 50s. The ones that was too pale to tan still look like my age. Stay out of the sun

mgshamster:Don't most developed nations have an issue with obesity? We're not really pushing our body fat down to nothing.

We're binging and purging, set by unreasonable standards. When you slow your metabolism down with excessive dieting, you lose both lean tissue and fatty tissue. When they finally snap under the pressure of starving yourself, people binge heavily on fluids and carbs and restore the fatty portion of the equation pretty quickly, and never do the work to rebuild the lean tissue they lost. By constantly trying to only balance the calorie restriction side of the equation, and ignore the strengthening side of the total calorie expenditure, we end up with slow moving, chubby people on one side, and people abusing stimulants with thin skin and almost no subcutaneous fat on the other side. Then we claim we're just "getting old", and that people must become weak and such when we're old, and we ignore the decades of bad habits that actually made us weak and rickety.

It's a bell curve problem. We KNOW that certain proportions are more optimal for certain activities, and we chalk it up to good genetics. We know we're bad at those same activities, and so we convince ourselves our genetics are radically different. That's not true. Certain genetics may be MORE optimal, but it's pretty easy to establish that everyone fits in the same general bell curve, and when you get to the upper end, we're talking about very small percentages that have significantly less effects that we give them credit for. In other words, we think just because we can't be Usain Bolt, that our genetics shouldn't enable us to be extremely fast runners. His speed is directly a function of his strength to his size, and anyone with the same height and rough proportions could replicate the training he does and get very similar results. We're just not WILLING to, so we pretend we can't.

farkingatwork:Well, you clearly are as scientific in your research as the tanning industry. Antioxidants are not a sign of health, they're a sign of medical marketing. There are no tangible antioxidantseffects any differently than a placebo's effects

A brief search for peer reviewed studies of antioxidants says the American Medical Association, the American Heart Association, and other reputable groups disagree with you.

"In other words, we think just because we can't be Usain Bolt, that our genetics shouldn't enable us to be extremely fast runners. His speed is directly a function of his strength to his size, and anyone with the same height and rough proportions could replicate the training he does and get very similar results. We're just not WILLING to, so we pretend we can't."

A friend taught me this a decade ago and it changed my life. My standard is "if 10,000 people can do it, so can I." Case in point: marathons. Anyone without an impediment can train to run that far. It's not like everyone should, but basically everyone can if that's how they spend their time. This friend of mine can play Chopin and Gershwin on the piano; he's a Snooker champion; he's building a mansion with his wife. Most things people can do can be done by anyone. My life got a lot better and quickly, and I'm more adventurous and happy because of it.

Wangiss:"In other words, we think just because we can't be Usain Bolt, that our genetics shouldn't enable us to be extremely fast runners. His speed is directly a function of his strength to his size, and anyone with the same height and rough proportions could replicate the training he does and get very similar results. We're just not WILLING to, so we pretend we can't."

A friend taught me this a decade ago and it changed my life. My standard is "if 10,000 people can do it, so can I." Case in point: marathons. Anyone without an impediment can train to run that far. It's not like everyone should, but basically everyone can if that's how they spend their time. This friend of mine can play Chopin and Gershwin on the piano; he's a Snooker champion; he's building a mansion with his wife. Most things people can do can be done by anyone. My life got a lot better and quickly, and I'm more adventurous and happy because of it.

Well Im 74" tall with 28"inseam so im pretty sure no amount of training would ever make me a world class runner.

Wangiss:"In other words, we think just because we can't be Usain Bolt, that our genetics shouldn't enable us to be extremely fast runners. His speed is directly a function of his strength to his size, and anyone with the same height and rough proportions could replicate the training he does and get very similar results. We're just not WILLING to, so we pretend we can't."

A friend taught me this a decade ago and it changed my life. My standard is "if 10,000 people can do it, so can I." Case in point: marathons. Anyone without an impediment can train to run that far. It's not like everyone should, but basically everyone can if that's how they spend their time. This friend of mine can play Chopin and Gershwin on the piano; he's a Snooker champion; he's building a mansion with his wife. Most things people can do can be done by anyone. My life got a lot better and quickly, and I'm more adventurous and happy because of it.

I did the same recently with controlling my body temperature. I was watching some guy on Mythbusters, and they asked him what they were doing. He basically just said he mentally focuses on flexing every part of his body that hurts until he is comfortable again. We had snow hit North Carolina last week, and so I figured if he wasn't some kind of genetic freak, I ought to be able to do it too. So I tried, and it turns out I could sit outside in just my yoga shorts and slippers just sitting still and meditating and EASILY kept my core temperature up. It's actually way, way harder for me to cool down; staying warm was just a matter of speeding everything in my body up, and the cold tells you exactly where you need to focus on flexing to force hot blood back up to the surface and protecting your skin. It was shocking to me how easy it was.

Private_Citizen:I feel the same way about smokers: lung cancer is a horrible way to die - but you can't say you weren't warned.

That's kinda the point: some people weren't. The tobacco industry knew it caused cancer, then turned around and claimed there was medical evidence it was safe. So yes there was a time in the US where people weren't warned.

Same problem here: some tanning companies will claim there are health benefits. If it can be proved that they knew they were lying, then they own every lawsuit.

Oldiron_79:Wangiss: "In other words, we think just because we can't be Usain Bolt, that our genetics shouldn't enable us to be extremely fast runners. His speed is directly a function of his strength to his size, and anyone with the same height and rough proportions could replicate the training he does and get very similar results. We're just not WILLING to, so we pretend we can't."

A friend taught me this a decade ago and it changed my life. My standard is "if 10,000 people can do it, so can I." Case in point: marathons. Anyone without an impediment can train to run that far. It's not like everyone should, but basically everyone can if that's how they spend their time. This friend of mine can play Chopin and Gershwin on the piano; he's a Snooker champion; he's building a mansion with his wife. Most things people can do can be done by anyone. My life got a lot better and quickly, and I'm more adventurous and happy because of it.

Well Im 74" tall with 28"inseam so im pretty sure no amount of training would ever make me a world class runner.

Would you suppose there are 10,000 world-class runners in the world?Do you suppose you could train to run a marathon?

Wangiss:Oldiron_79: Wangiss: "In other words, we think just because we can't be Usain Bolt, that our genetics shouldn't enable us to be extremely fast runners. His speed is directly a function of his strength to his size, and anyone with the same height and rough proportions could replicate the training he does and get very similar results. We're just not WILLING to, so we pretend we can't."

A friend taught me this a decade ago and it changed my life. My standard is "if 10,000 people can do it, so can I." Case in point: marathons. Anyone without an impediment can train to run that far. It's not like everyone should, but basically everyone can if that's how they spend their time. This friend of mine can play Chopin and Gershwin on the piano; he's a Snooker champion; he's building a mansion with his wife. Most things people can do can be done by anyone. My life got a lot better and quickly, and I'm more adventurous and happy because of it.

Well Im 74" tall with 28"inseam so im pretty sure no amount of training would ever make me a world class runner.

Would you suppose there are 10,000 world-class runners in the world?Do you suppose you could train to run a marathon?

Well I don't think I could ever run a competitive time no matter how hard I trained just because my legs are too short, but if I trained hard enough I could probably run that far.

Oldiron_79:Wangiss: Oldiron_79: Wangiss: "In other words, we think just because we can't be Usain Bolt, that our genetics shouldn't enable us to be extremely fast runners. His speed is directly a function of his strength to his size, and anyone with the same height and rough proportions could replicate the training he does and get very similar results. We're just not WILLING to, so we pretend we can't."

A friend taught me this a decade ago and it changed my life. My standard is "if 10,000 people can do it, so can I." Case in point: marathons. Anyone without an impediment can train to run that far. It's not like everyone should, but basically everyone can if that's how they spend their time. This friend of mine can play Chopin and Gershwin on the piano; he's a Snooker champion; he's building a mansion with his wife. Most things people can do can be done by anyone. My life got a lot better and quickly, and I'm more adventurous and happy because of it.

Well Im 74" tall with 28"inseam so im pretty sure no amount of training would ever make me a world class runner.

Would you suppose there are 10,000 world-class runners in the world?Do you suppose you could train to run a marathon?

Well I don't think I could ever run a competitive time no matter how hard I trained just because my legs are too short, but if I trained hard enough I could probably run that far.

I'm 5'7" with the same inseam. Only one person can win the race, but 10,000 people could (or 25,000, in Boston) finish.

I have so many classmates who are going to look like they're made out of shoe-leather when they're 30.

/SPF 40 and a brimmed hat are my best friends in the summer//Fun story - I ordered a cocktail at a restaurant just a little over a year ago, and a few minutes later there were police at my table because one of the other diners thought the waiter had been serving a minor. When I showed the officers my driver's license, everyone had a good laugh.

Phins:Tanning ages you. It may not seem like a big deal in your 20s, but the facial facial lines start showing in your early 30s.

I'm turning 50 this year, people look at me and think that I'm in my early 30s. I recently saw a new doctor, he thought the nurse had made an error when she wrote down my birthdate/age.

It's because I never spent much time in the sun. I put on multiple layers of sunscreen if I'm going to be outside. I have at least an SPF 15 on my face every day of the year regardless of the weather.

I LOVE not having lines on my face and looking young. I'm so glad I never baked myself in the sun or went to a tanning bed.

You're right here. People who tan easily in particular seem to think they're invulnerable to the effects of too much sun.

When I was a teenager, my sister had a really attractive friend who used to spend the entire summer at the beach. She was Italian-American and had olive skin, so she tanned very easily and very darkly. I saw her a number of years later when she was in her early 30s and while she was still very pretty, she had developed definite lines on her forehead and around her eyes. Will she develop the wrinkled, blotchy, freckled skin someone like myself would develop with so much sun exposure? Probably not. But even naturally dark-complexioned people can still get that tough, tanned-leather complexion from too much sun.