FACT: The attention span of the average American is approxamately 3.5 minutes long if the subject is extremely simple or emotionally sensational enough and 2.25 minutes if it's not.

FACT: The average American has the nominal intelligence level of a 3rd grade public school student.

It was silly of me to expect anything more.

Sorry if I interrupted your video games.

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Quoting: Southern Belle

Take it down a notch, bitch.

You posted this thread at 4 in the morning, when most American people AREN'T online much less posting at GLP.

Great way to get people to read your threads from this point on..insult an entire group of people because they weren't here to lick your ass that early in the morning.

Bravo.

And the LORD spake, saying, "First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin, then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who being naughty in My sight, shall snuff it.

I am an evil giraffe, and I shall eat more leaves from this tree than perhaps I should, so that other giraffes may die.

Balkins, Iraq, Libya, all places where NATO was leading the charge. What Russia and China have learned is that approving any UN resolution that ever so slightly hints at a warning is interpreted as a green light to the US for unilateral invasion. Usually the UN is approached after US domestic legislation that grants the executive a full range of powers to act.

These last three conflicts were unprecedented and have defined a new norm, NATO acting on its own, unilaterally and preemptively.

Of course this rips to shreds the concept of national sovereignty and squarely positions the US atop an Imperial Empire.

Since the 1990s the US and others have armed and trained insurgent wars inside Russia and China, that's been going on for awhile. Basically they havent panned out as expected. Instead, now, the strategy is to nibble on their peripheries, knocking off trading partners and allies, bit by bit, creating chaos up to and including their border areas. When a contiguous area of hostile states beholden to Washington (or its allies) bumps against the other major powers,,, there should be a steady uninterupted flow of arms and jihadists, capable of continuous supply and conflict inside Russia and China -- not the isolated pockets incapable of being refreshed.

Balkins, Iraq, Libya, all places where NATO was leading the charge. What Russia and China have learned is that approving any UN resolution that ever so slightly hints at a warning is interpreted as a green light to the US for unilateral invasion. Usually the UN is approached after US domestic legislation that grants the executive a full range of powers to act.

These last three conflicts were unprecedented and have defined a new norm, NATO acting on its own, unilaterally and preemptively.

Of course this rips to shreds the concept of national sovereignty and squarely positions the US atop an Imperial Empire.

Since the 1990s the US and others have armed and trained insurgent wars inside Russia and China, that's been going on for awhile. Basically they havent panned out as expected. Instead, now, the strategy is to nibble on their peripheries, knocking off trading partners and allies, bit by bit, creating chaos up to and including their border areas. When a contiguous area of hostile states beholden to Washington (or its allies) bumps against the other major powers,,, there should be a steady uninterupted flow of arms and jihadists, capable of continuous supply and conflict inside Russia and China -- not the isolated pockets incapable of being refreshed.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35051383

Russia and China were ignored over Iraq.

They know a rogue state when they see one.

No change with Obama.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20756371

Balkins, Iraq, Libya, all places where NATO was leading the charge. What Russia and China have learned is that approving any UN resolution that ever so slightly hints at a warning is interpreted as a green light to the US for unilateral invasion. Usually the UN is approached after US domestic legislation that grants the executive a full range of powers to act.

These last three conflicts were unprecedented and have defined a new norm, NATO acting on its own, unilaterally and preemptively.

Of course this rips to shreds the concept of national sovereignty and squarely positions the US atop an Imperial Empire.

Since the 1990s the US and others have armed and trained insurgent wars inside Russia and China, that's been going on for awhile. Basically they havent panned out as expected. Instead, now, the strategy is to nibble on their peripheries, knocking off trading partners and allies, bit by bit, creating chaos up to and including their border areas. When a contiguous area of hostile states beholden to Washington (or its allies) bumps against the other major powers,,, there should be a steady uninterupted flow of arms and jihadists, capable of continuous supply and conflict inside Russia and China -- not the isolated pockets incapable of being refreshed.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35051383

The Russians and the Chinese are usually the ONLY nations in the world that ALWAYS oppose any action against a rouge state. The reason is very simple, especially for the Chinese. It's because Russia and China are not far removed from acting as rouge states themselves.

That being said, I think that what we did in Libya was a fucking crime. We directly aided a guerrilla army in order to overthrow a government under the auspices of "protecting civilians". My ass we were protecting civilians. We were basically the fucking close air support for an army of terrorists.

Balkins, Iraq, Libya, all places where NATO was leading the charge. What Russia and China have learned is that approving any UN resolution that ever so slightly hints at a warning is interpreted as a green light to the US for unilateral invasion. Usually the UN is approached after US domestic legislation that grants the executive a full range of powers to act.

These last three conflicts were unprecedented and have defined a new norm, NATO acting on its own, unilaterally and preemptively.

Of course this rips to shreds the concept of national sovereignty and squarely positions the US atop an Imperial Empire.

Since the 1990s the US and others have armed and trained insurgent wars inside Russia and China, that's been going on for awhile. Basically they havent panned out as expected. Instead, now, the strategy is to nibble on their peripheries, knocking off trading partners and allies, bit by bit, creating chaos up to and including their border areas. When a contiguous area of hostile states beholden to Washington (or its allies) bumps against the other major powers,,, there should be a steady uninterupted flow of arms and jihadists, capable of continuous supply and conflict inside Russia and China -- not the isolated pockets incapable of being refreshed.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20756371

The Russians and the Chinese are usually the ONLY nations in the world that ALWAYS oppose any action against a rouge state. The reason is very simple, especially for the Chinese. It's because Russia and China are not far removed from acting as rouge states themselves.

That being said, I think that what we did in Libya was a fucking crime. We directly aided a guerrilla army in order to overthrow a government under the auspices of "protecting civilians". My ass we were protecting civilians. We were basically the fucking close air support for an army of terrorists.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35051383

Perhaps, but "not far removed from acting rogue" is this side of good enough. The US, on the other hand, has crossed the rubicon and is beyond the reach of any constraints by internationally agreed upon norms of conduct. In response to a post UN Charter world the Shanghai Cooperative Conference members, including Russia and China with many observer nations, recognizes the idea of a multipolar world -- far short of egalitarian sovereignty for all, but pushing and building a counter weight to NATOs unipolar vision.

So when Russia, speaking as a group, warns about a dangerous escalation to nuclear war what they mean is that NATOs vision will provoke it, as stable nation states are replaced by extremists who will, at first, destabilize regions but then spread uncontrollably to engulf themselves. But they arent stupid, because they know that NATO's vision of unipolarity has the implicit strategy of eliminating or weakening or destabilizing or isolating its "multipolar" competitors...

Make no mistake, this is a return to the Cold War, except it is much more dangerous IMO since 1) the military imbalance (no more proxy wars as before), instead advancing for a frontal assault, 2) the UN is out of the picture -- so no more agreements at detente, the flagrant breaking of past agreements, the rapid building of 2 hostile military alliances, espionage and sabotage.

I seriously doubt the tensions are that high between the big eight. I mean, they are going to be hanging out at Camp David shortly to discuss what needs to be done with the rogue nuclear states.

Even still, I think it's funny that you posted a Youtube video with VERY little bits of the actual speech itself but someone else's interpretation of the speech.

If you look for the actual speech and read all of the big and difficult words, you will see that he is pointing to old mistakes that were made with quickly moving in an taking out radical leaders. Those moves that the West has made in the past have allowed for newer and bigger problems to come about and considering we are dealing with nations that MAY or MAY NOT utilize their nuclear technology ... it could erupt into all out nuclear war.

It's more a warning to be careful ... not that Russia is going to go ape shit on someone.

Anyway, this is more hopeless empty doom ... Can someone bring some REAL doom to the table? I've been waiting for years....

I seriously doubt the tensions are that high between the big eight. I mean, they are going to be hanging out at Camp David shortly to discuss what needs to be done with the rogue nuclear states.

Even still, I think it's funny that you posted a Youtube video with VERY little bits of the actual speech itself but someone else's interpretation of the speech.

If you look for the actual speech and read all of the big and difficult words, you will see that he is pointing to old mistakes that were made with quickly moving in an taking out radical leaders. Those moves that the West has made in the past have allowed for newer and bigger problems to come about and considering we are dealing with nations that MAY or MAY NOT utilize their nuclear technology ... it could erupt into all out nuclear war.

It's more a warning to be careful ... not that Russia is going to go ape shit on someone.

Anyway, this is more hopeless empty doom ... Can someone bring some REAL doom to the table? I've been waiting for years....

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26444147

this is nothing new. You should have heard Putin's speeches after Beslan. They were a direct accusatory warning to the US.

Did you not understand the weight of the statement of the Russian President?

Russia makes a viable threat of nuclear war against the USA and nobody is concerned?

Perhaps I should change the thread headline to "I'm a space alien...ask me a question." or "I'm a psychic...I'll tell you your fortune." in order to garner some interest.

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Quoting: Southern Belle

The problem is that there are so many threats from various factions around the globe against the US. {N.Korea, Mideast, Iran, China and now Russia to name a few}. It's most likely that most folks in the US who do pay attention are are just overwhelmed by it all.

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is.Winston Churchill