tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post3949420517085013048..comments2017-09-26T02:26:15.742-05:00Comments on The Rad Trad: In Persona Christi?The Rad Tradhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00899289024837953345noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-77978287700662552032017-04-30T23:18:10.136-05:002017-04-30T23:18:10.136-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Jose Apolinarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00023745396634150365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-62257532406171631142017-04-29T23:55:39.786-05:002017-04-29T23:55:39.786-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Mirai Kuriyamahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17174962279656191952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-48995324012377928812017-04-28T08:39:29.637-05:002017-04-28T08:39:29.637-05:00Maybe in the same way as how Pope St. Leo I unders...Maybe in the same way as how Pope St. Leo I understood the primacy of the Roman See?Mirai Kuriyamahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17174962279656191952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-6822556661252909872017-04-28T01:32:20.514-05:002017-04-28T01:32:20.514-05:00Oh but he knows what he needs to say. He&#39;s jus...Oh but he knows what he needs to say. He&#39;s just nonchalant and clumsy. Sometimes he says all, sometimes not. And i get tired and uncomfortable of repeating the same thing over and again. I want to say to him how to breathe properly and not to inhale while pronouncing words, but is that proper of me?<br /><br />Also, to some other priests i do say that and then they say: &quot;Yeah you&#39;re scrupulous and you shouldn&#39;t repeat your confession because it&#39;s not your business if the priest has pronounced the words correctly or not.&quot;. My blood boils at that point.<br /><br />What i also don&#39;t get is how can&#39;t they abstract the &quot;non-important&quot; from the &quot;important&quot;. You can read the whole paschal homily of st. Melitus but i still won&#39;t be absolved... If you don&#39;t feel like saying &quot;God the Father of mercies...&quot;, just say the absolution part and that&#39;s it...<br /><br />My wits are useless if the other party is stupid as a rock...Marko Ivančičevićhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04579400863718513875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-83360791349287745652017-04-27T11:15:08.003-05:002017-04-27T11:15:08.003-05:00Marko. ABS brings the real absolution with him typ...Marko. ABS brings the real absolution with him typed on a small piece of paper and he reaches around the screen, hands it to the priest and asks him to please read it as he gives ABS absolution if the occasion to do so arises.<br /><br />If the Priest says, <i> I have already absolved you...</i> ABS says <i><b> I am scrupulous and need to hear absolution in that form to consider my self absolved...</b></i><br /><br />It has worked for ABS several times, likely because Seminaries are more social work factories than Theocentiric factories and the Priest needs help from we laity.<br /><br />ABS has had several priests ask him if he could keep it.<br /><br />Absolutely...<br /><br />O, and in the Church ABS regularly goes to Confession, the Pastor listens to your confession and doles out the same penance always...<br /><br />ABS could have just confessed<i> <b> Bless me Father, for I have sinned. It has been six weeks since my last confession. I cooked a box of kittens in the Microwave and raped a crippled nun. That is all Father</b></i> <br /><br /><i>Say one Our Father and make a good act of contrition...</i><br /><br />One has to be a smart shopper, Marko :)Amateur Brain Surgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-52067655218298134252017-04-27T04:32:17.900-05:002017-04-27T04:32:17.900-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Marco da Vinhahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06092410765851812842noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-66530798277424151872017-04-27T04:30:30.292-05:002017-04-27T04:30:30.292-05:00How does onde understand St. Ignatius of Antioch&#...How does onde understand St. Ignatius of Antioch&#39;s &quot;where the bishop is, there is Christ&quot;? Is it as his plenipotentiary, as the Apostles were?Marco da Vinhahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06092410765851812842noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-15129568971376475482017-04-27T00:19:33.054-05:002017-04-27T00:19:33.054-05:00Several times i wasn&#39;t absolved validly (and t...Several times i wasn&#39;t absolved validly (and the rate has increased several past months). <br />One time all that came out of priest&#39;s mouth after my act of contrition was (i&#39;m rendering it in latin for the sake of grammatical cases): <br />&quot;Amen. (as a sort of a confirmation of my contrition) <br />Et ego te a peccatis tuis, in nomine Patris et Filii et Spiritus Sancti. Amen.&quot;<br /><br />Mind you, he wasn&#39;t speaking over me or anything. He waited me to finish and then, clara voce said all that and only that. Quid me a peccatis meis? Quid?! So i asked him to repeat it. He smiled at me to express how ridiculous my request was, but he did it nevertheless.<br /><br />More and more often, one priest, which was my regular confessor, unintelligibly pronounces the absolution too and sometimes to the degree of invalidity. Like, he starts from the beginning, and then in the midst of catching his breath, he sort of says &quot;and i absolve you&quot;, but he sort of doesn&#39;t, because he&#39;s &quot;saying&quot; it while inhaling and he butchers those words. I know what he&#39;s supposed to say and that&#39;s why i know what he &quot;says&quot;, but that&#39;s what my cognitive bias imputes to him. But does he really and properly say that, i don&#39;t know. And one time i asked him to repeat the absolution. He gladly accepted the request and again, he butchered the crucial words...<br /><br />I have to go to another town to get confession. And if i go there to repeat the confession, they don&#39;t care about those things and they tell me i should care either. One said to me: &quot;If the priest absolves you he absolves you. Your theology MA doesn&#39;t mean anything. A priest cannot absolve invalidly. I&#39;ve been confessor in st. Peter&#39;s for 30 years. I know what i&#39;m talking about.&quot;. <br /><br />The same doubts happened about three weeks ago with the one who butchers the words by inhaling. He did the same thing. And again, i was in doubt.<br />I went to the other town and then another priest there didn&#39;t let me repeat the confession, saying i shouldn&#39;t care about that and that God is merciful. And i didn&#39;t repeat it. I obeyed and confessed only what i had since that last one butchered absolution.<br /><br />Where have we come when a priest can possibly damn a soul God wishes to save?Marko Ivančičevićhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04579400863718513875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-21853521413210033202017-04-26T18:04:06.185-05:002017-04-26T18:04:06.185-05:00Very, very true. Looking back, I know I certainly ...Very, very true. Looking back, I know I certainly received some dubious guidance in the confessional. Capreolushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07329413913112615954noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-40189488041334813452017-04-26T13:34:39.342-05:002017-04-26T13:34:39.342-05:00it is no wonder that the Church was so restrictive...it is no wonder that the Church was so restrictive in the early ages as well, confining the power of forgiveness to bishops.<br /><br />i mean, as quasi-scrupulous as i am and confused all the time, i wouldn&#39;t want to be the one who will tell a person: &quot;don&#39;t sweat it&quot;, and that as a result that person will sweat for eternity in Hell...Marko Ivančičevićhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04579400863718513875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-29709856054917801322017-04-26T13:34:12.586-05:002017-04-26T13:34:12.586-05:00Christ is indivisivle part of the Holy Trinity. Wh...Christ is indivisivle part of the Holy Trinity. Who hears our confessions? The priest with his personal flwas and sins and God the Father.<br />Traditionally the priest gives canon fir forgiveness and prays the sinners..perfectly if he can...crucufues himself.<br />Have you ever confessed an obsession that kills you inwardly to an average priest and theb..no canon there was.. it just goes away? I have. God is present there, the person of the priest being irrelevant. <br />It just happens. This is miracle not your horoscope turning guessed right. <br />Imho the mistake of both Catholic and Orthodox churches ..a tactical mustake if you will.. is presenting a set of rules..an agenda to people to confess as regurarly as... Just let it happen. Even those outside the law have conscuences.. St. Paul&#39;s second letter to Romans.<br />The person of the priest is irrelevant. That&#39;s it.<br />And today..people say, they just say because it&#39;s wrong to call it a confession, a million dirty sins and thoughts to the anonymous audience..maybe that is the religion of the antichrist - we are judged by many as human as we are whilst we refuse to tell it to God because..the priest (one man) will hear it too.<br />Just let it be...let it be...beetles and worms to eat us as we stand in the circus of the (bolshevich?) Crowd. Nobody cares in the crowd.. we feel &#39;forgiven&#39; because nobody cares. While the silly dwarf the priest might care and say &#39;say what? You did...that?&#39;.Maria Annahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09224676979690855135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-67255752275326443892017-04-26T09:23:08.060-05:002017-04-26T09:23:08.060-05:00It used to be that only educated clerics (generall...It used to be that only educated clerics (generally monks and bishops) were allowed to hear confessions. I think it was St. Alphonsus who, when he was made a diocesan bishop, made it one of his first orders of business to remove the faculties of preaching and hearing confessions from priests who had no good training in theology and morals. As I recall, only a small fraction were left who could do either by the end of his purge. I think that would be a fantastic order of business for any bishop newly assigned to a diocese.J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/04821093432726247774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-77677692369275259682017-04-26T09:15:08.348-05:002017-04-26T09:15:08.348-05:00Of course. A part of the problem is that penitents...Of course. A part of the problem is that penitents in the confessional are often in an emotionally malleable state, and just as often are lacking any solid moral training, themselves. Putting these two things together makes any advice given by the confessor all the more potentially dangerous. (And certainly more potentially live-giving, if done well.) Very frequently the only—literally the only—time a Catholic layman will hear a priest talk about real moral problems in a substantial way is if they come up in the confessional. A layman has to go far out of his way to learn even basic Catholic morality, these days.J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/04821093432726247774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-13315016837609289582017-04-26T06:56:50.504-05:002017-04-26T06:56:50.504-05:00Regarding the 20th-century exaggerations: I suspec...Regarding the 20th-century exaggerations: I suspect this is a result of the ridiculous &quot;project&quot; to equate the &quot;Table of the Word&quot; with the &quot;Table of the Eucharist.&quot; St. Thomas, of course, is merely explicating that when a priest acts <i>formally</i> by virtue of the sacramental character of Orders, he does so by sharing in Christ&#39;s priesthood as instrumental cause to principal cause (to use the philosophical terms).<br /><br />Regarding the confessional and spiritual direction: no one is bound to follow the priest&#39;s advice. The priest, on the other hand, is only bound to offer &quot;more probable&quot; opinions, not merely &quot;probable&quot; to some degree (a condemned proposition). Conversely, I would think the penitent is equally bound, morally, to eschew merely probable opinion for what is more probable. Sadly, most priests nowadays receive little or, more often, no training whatsoever in hearing confessions.Capreolushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07329413913112615954noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-86179858152744577482017-04-26T01:46:41.220-05:002017-04-26T01:46:41.220-05:00That kind of theology totally bypasses the Christl...That kind of theology totally bypasses the Christly character of those baptized...<br /><br />And about the last sentence. Sometimes i don&#39;t know about some moral issues and i google things. Mostly that leads me to catholic answers forums. People with perplexed consciences ask the same questions which i ask myself and most of what they get: &quot;Ask your confessor.&quot;, &quot;Ask your priest.&quot;.<br /><br />I would freakin&#39; slap that person across their freakin&#39; face for such a stupid answer which assumes that when the sacrament of confession has begun (such a limiting term too ... to begin a sacrament ... ) priest gains some superpowers and is on direct line with the Holy Spirit and is suddenly infused with the charism of infallibility...Marko Ivančičevićhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04579400863718513875noreply@blogger.com