nazism is a system like democracy(ha) communism and yes even anarchism,

its is not nessacarily racist, but it is basically facist as deathrockboy has already said,

Nazism was bigger than hitler, all that jew hating and master race bullshit was his baby tho,

i will excuse ur ignorance david, i even would have excused timothy mcveigh, poor stupid cunt, he was sucked in by the americas system (its not democracy watever it is) a product of his environment he was made racist by how the world was represented to him, im often surprised im not,

but then again, im often [insertgooddescriptivewordhere] at the oh-so-clever buggers who theorise on a perfect society, but cant understand why so many ppl are racist.....

because hitlers nazism was racist, the dumb racists take his symbolism wat they dont and some of you dont get, is that nazism was a very nearly successful attempt at creating a perfect facist society, as Jello Biafra points out in 'nazi punks fuck off' "you'll [boneheads] be the first 2 go" nazism was about order, theres precious little order in the lives of most racist skins ive ever known. racism was in fact hitlers/nazisms downfall, they had 2 eliminate the jews, doing so as a race was a mistake, because it united his enemies if he eliminated their society it would have been fine, (fine as long as u dont mind living under a psychotic suppressive regime) as the problem was thier money hoarding habits which didnt make for the united nation that the nazis needed..

the reason for the racism is of course much deeper, they just wernt german, 'not like us' the rednecks of germany were easy prey for hitlers logic, especially because he was right.

damn dirty Urserers.

whn i was at school i was compelled 2 read a book called 'The Wave' i forget who wrote it, but it wont be hard 2 find. it should explain alot about nazism as a system, its not any sort of history however.

i am of the mind and the opinion that if something doesn't accept you, you do everything in your power to fucking destroy it.i don't care if it's the world, society, your family or a fucking high school keg party.you do everything you can to hit back...and strike back.let go of some of that fucking hatredi wanna poison this world the way it fuckin poisoned me.i'm gonna to everthing, EVERYTHING in my power to corrupt, to twist, to destroy, to rip apart, to poison.i'm gonna spit my last breath in all your faces.you're gonna hear me laughin at the end.

anyways bak to the gig. thnx 2 every band that playd & everyone who paid.
some bond was deducted. i gave kathy, dan & blair a little koha jst as an appreciation for playing. i also gave kathy & dan some money for playin at last yr's punkfest. so if u r in those bands and need some money, blackmail the above people.

i disagree with you harlequin, German nazism was inherently racist. The 25 points of the nazi party stated this.

I'm gonna have to side with you on that one...see Nazism as a 'system' really doesn't exist outside the nazi party, which was very much rascist. You can suggest the nazism was about order, but the fact of the matter is, that the only time nazism has held a place in world politics is in Nazi Germany, and the was very disordered...underneath it all.

I've read The Wave by the way, although it was a while ago, and I don't remember much about it, or if I finished it...

racism was in fact hitlers/nazisms downfall, they had 2 eliminate the jews, doing so as a race was a mistake, because it united his enemies

I agree with the first part, that racism was hitlers downfall, but not because it united his enemies. It was his downfall, because he put too much effort into it, and wasted to many resources and people to exterminate people. If he had focussed his attention on world domination, and waited to kill people when he had suceeded, he may have been more likely to win the war.
Unfortunatly, history says that britian didn't declare war, untill some other country had been invaded (my history fails me as to which one..) even though hitlers anti jewish campaign was well underway. Indeed, one wonders how much they actually knew about this.
America didn't join untill pearl harbour.

that's what I was saying, racism is inherent in the nazi regime, but not necessarily within nationalist socialism. But whoever said nationstates were a good idea? (hee)

Hitler invaded poland, thus Britain, (then australia and new zealand) joined the war. He'd already taken over that part of czechoslovakia, I don't recall the name.

Hitler was racist, he perceived jews as a threat to the nationalist state. However he also saw homosexuals were detrimental to a better germany, not only jews had symbols (gay people had pink triangles i think).

Asides from that I think not winning the battle of britain and also the decision to invade russia also helped to fuck him up. Bad logistical planning in the case of russia man, that shit was wack.

For the last time Phil
SHUT THE FUCK UP!
Slipknot? Who gives a shit what these people think.
And i'd really like to know when you became the authority on punk rock.

And I wish people would stop banding this word crustie around all over the show.

Crusties-Dreadlocked (mainly) English and American travellers who hang around outside gigs and beg, drink special brew and take their dogs to shows. Quite often violent and drug/alcohol addicted.

Refer Doom's "We hate the brew crew" to the tune of Motorheads "We are the road crew" for inspiration.

Crust punks-people who believe in quite a political lifestyle. Quite often vege/vegan and listen to equally political music. Quite often also dreadlocked, spikey and drunks.

I remember that Manuel was quite the oi boy a little while ago...

Please do not lump us into the same box.

Andrew is from Minneapolis. The home of Profane Existence, Extreme Noize Records and an amazing Crust scene.
If you would like to discuss the Crustie thing then please ask someone who knows, don't just jump to conclusions about us and our veiws, lifestyles.

Yeah none of you really seem to know what you're talking about when going on about crusties......... I mean, it seems to me that manuel and his group of friends seem to bandy about the term chaos punks more than anything else. Obviously, a chaos punk is completely differnet than a crusty punk. If you really want to know about the origins of crust scruff and I could talk your ear off about it. The only crusties in welly that I know of are Ratboy and Flint from Canada. Manuel is a decent guy, as is all of his mates that I've met. I've always had big problems with sXe dancing, but that doesn't mean I have to start shit over it. I've gotten into fist fights before over it, and looking back on it, it just seems as lame to me to get that pissed off about it as the ninja dancing is in the first place. Also, beating each other up and causing people to bleed is a great way to spread shit like hep C around. So please, can't we all just get along?

Yes Ost.
Many things in our community don't make sense to me.
Why do we have to war with people who don't drink/take drugs?
Good on them I say. I am an alcoholic and I wish I had never picked up that first bottle.
Give people a break. How can people expect the same respect when they act with none?
I feel really sorry for our mates in Welly having to deal with this when they have gone to all the trouble to organise shows.
Fighting/fuckwits=no more shows.
I have seen it in the past and if these people want to also see it first hand they will keep acting like fuckwits.
And then what happens? Everyone complains that thre are no more shows?

i gave kathy, dan & blair a little koha jst as an appreciation for playing. i also gave kathy & dan some money for playin at last yr's punkfest. so if u r in those bands and need some money, blackmail the above people

if i called someone crustiepunk in this thread it was as opposed 2 a sXe H/C and i dont think i did anyway, get a quote if u must try and point teh finger at me, sad sad person who picks on the least popular.... sad.

im pretty sure i didnt say anything of the sort, so get ur fuckin facts straight, if u can prve i said something like that then grab teh quote, i know i cant be fucked looking for it....

oh yeh i stand corrected about the nazi'saltho theres more i could say, in the end it was national socialism that wasnt nessacarily racist, if u wish 2 separate the two, then yeh u guys are right, plus i said some other inaccurate stuff,

i am of the mind and the opinion that if something doesn't accept you, you do everything in your power to fucking destroy it.i don't care if it's the world, society, your family or a fucking high school keg party.you do everything you can to hit back...and strike back.let go of some of that fucking hatredi wanna poison this world the way it fuckin poisoned me.i'm gonna to everthing, EVERYTHING in my power to corrupt, to twist, to destroy, to rip apart, to poison.i'm gonna spit my last breath in all your faces.you're gonna hear me laughin at the end.

whats with being all politcal and smelling bad, if you really wanted people to listen to you and respect you showering would be good
Crust Punk = ? Choas Punk = ? Street Punk = ?

Real Good Proper Punk Bands Song Quotes
Cause Real Punk = Pop Punk
Blink 182 - Jose, your, my, source of most frustration
Good Charolet - this is the anthem throw all your hands up
Ataris - I listened to your heartbeat as I held you in my arms
New Found Glory - Have I waited to long, Have I lost that someone

Scruff,
I can't be bothered checking to see if I called the Wellington guys crusties, if I did, it was out of my ignorance. I can honestly say that I didn't (and don't) know what a crust-punk was, it's just a term I throw around I guess. I'll try and be more careful with the term in future, I know how anoying it can get when your personal beliefs/culture/whatever get tied to other people that you're not associated with.

As for the dancing, I call it dancing, or kickboxing dancing if I'm needed to be specific, I've heard a lot of names thrown around, however something that cool hardly needs a name, huh?

"what the hell it isnt sXe dancing cuz not only sXers dance like that
its could HC dancing"
My mistake, I've always had a problem with "HC" dancing, but then again hardcore is such a generic fucking term it voids it out. You can go to thrashfest and not run into anything like that. I think it's fucking lame, most of the "hardcore" community where I come from thinks its fucking lame, not to say anything about you're belifes, or people over here. I've got a lot of problems with gigs in general, that's why I don't really go to them anymore.

"wat teh hell is ur problem scruff? i couldnt care less wat a bunch of posers call themselves...."
So what do you call yourself anyways?

Phil, for the love of Jobe I was talking about you referring to Slipknot and their obvious love of us...
No you didn't say the "C" word and that wasn't my point.

To the person who was so informed about our personal hygiene, I think you are also putting everyone in a box too.

My house is probably cleaner than your parents house and I bathe daily. Not bathing is something I hate and I agree with you about trying to be serious to strangers when they want to run screaming from you.

Phil, let's just have an arm wrestle and get this over with...
Scruffix

i actually dislike slipknot intensely, i dont think they are punk, or h/c or anything other than mainstream representatives of death metal, like good charlote is the pop version aimed at the punk demographic...

altho slipknot have some talented members (hard not 2 when uve got a fuckin soccer team)

so dont blame me that the munters on this board decided 2 fill up a few pages discussing their merits and attributes

people = shit

at least they got something right.

oh and i have skinny girl arms... id wrestle xsweiny tho

i am of the mind and the opinion that if something doesn't accept you, you do everything in your power to fucking destroy it.i don't care if it's the world, society, your family or a fucking high school keg party.you do everything you can to hit back...and strike back.let go of some of that fucking hatredi wanna poison this world the way it fuckin poisoned me.i'm gonna to everthing, EVERYTHING in my power to corrupt, to twist, to destroy, to rip apart, to poison.i'm gonna spit my last breath in all your faces.you're gonna hear me laughin at the end.