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He will be forgotten after getting a few more knock out blows in the coming Malaysian Open, All England and India Open.

His last defeat in Indonesian Open will seal his fate.

This is your dream... Lol ... Even if he get knocked out from the remaining tournaments which he participates before his retirements, he will not be forgotten by anybodyelse except you.. Lol .. Who will forget such a brilliant badminton player in life?? Lol. Definitely, in the history of badminton till the end, nobody will forget such a wonderful, calm , disciplined player except those who does not want to even hear the achievements which he made in his life time of badminton career . Nobody even can think of concealing his achievements simply with their bare hands . At the age of 24 (with Chen Long's age now ), he already won Asian Games 3 times, Olympics Gold, World championships etc etc etc. So, people who are very well interested in disgracing his efforts will not succed at all.

y At the age of 24 (with Chen Long's age now ), he already won Asian Games 3 times, Olympics Gold, World championships etc etc etc. So, people who are very well interested in disgracing his efforts will not succed at all.

lacks of talents in Indonesia makes PBSI gives chance to 17 y.o. Taufik to compete in int't events, while Chen Long starts his international career at the age of 20. In AG 1998 team event final, TH was the MS2 playing against China. When TH was 19 y.o., he already compete in OG, WC, TC and maybe SC. Cannot be compare to CL. btw, TH won AG 2 times or 3 times ? For Chen Long, after 4 yrs in international circuit, he already won 11 titles, while TH only 21 or 23 titles after 15 yrs of careers

The world today recognizes Lin Dan's profile and note the presence of Lee Chong Wei as the bad-ass who keeps winning titles if Lin Dan is not around to stop him. Taufik is clearly sidelined and will always be regarded as the one who fails to produce consistent results. The conclusion is he is not invincible even at his best when so many players could defeat him. Bao Chunlai in his youth even thrashed Taufik for the first time they played in the Sudirman Cup 2003. Lin Dan thrashed Taufik the first time they met in 2001, leaving the embarassed Taufik to walk off in anger.

This shows Taufik is not that great. When he loses, people do not consider that a major upset because his defeats are expected.

Taufik could only rely on his Taufik Hidayat Arena to make sure he get. remembered only in Indonesia.

Bao Chunlai not even won world championships. Lol . Not to mention about Olympics Gold. ha ha. He retired from the badminton not even winning All England, Olympics gold etc. Not to mention many .

Taufik could only rely on his Taufik Hidayat Arena to make sure he get. remembered only in Indonesia. - Excellent dream of yours . Ha ha. Whole world knows that he is a legend in badminton. If you have closed your eyes, did it mean that world becomes dark??

I forgot something. Even Ji Xinpeng, who only can win 2 titles until he retired, also can win Olympic's Gold. read once again, only 2 titles (the other title is Jpn open). And his route to 2000 OG final is fantastic. he beats the top 3 seeds, TH, Gade and Hendrawan. He is the first ever player that can win an Olympic's gold by beating the top 3 seeds. Really amazing ! but when we check his performance outside OG, he is not that great. He is only C - Class or even D - class player. that's why I said, winning OG doesn't make you a great player.

Yes, a quadrennial event like the Olympics, the most-coveted trophy, the world's grandest stage, the accolades and lucrative awards - overrides everything else blowing it out of proportion,and the pressures and expectations are so great that many players behave out of the ordinary, either playing above themselves or wilting under pressure. Ji Xinpeng sensationally beating all the top three seeds to win Sydney Olympic gold is one example while Lin Dan's shocking defeat by Ronald Susilo of SG in R1 of the Athens Olympics is the other example.

So I agree you cannot use the Olympic performance alone to gauge a player's overall standing. It has to be based on what the author of the article in post #1 did, using duration of world ranking as no.1, the number and type of titles won, and the players' H2H records. In other words,we have to let the results speak for themselves objectively, putting aside our personal feelings. Of course,we can have our own favourites, that's our right but it's still only our private affairs,not to be imposed on others, to each his own.

Whatever, whether we like it or not, facts are facts. Lin Dan is the most-decorated player with the most number of coveted and major titles, and holds the best H2H record versus all his rivals, on this there should be no dispute I'm sure. As for Taufik, if he's not fit to be one of the Four Heavenly Kings, then what about Peter?

But before I argue further, I'll have to admit this Four Heavenly Kings title is not something recognized the world over in the badminton sphere, it seems to be touted mainly in China. Frankly, I was prompted to open this thread not so much to prove who is worthy of the status or not but just to make known the statistical data put up by the author which attracted me in the first place.

By all means feel free to present your views but try not to get too personal and presumptuous with each other. As long as you can argue your case well, even those who disagree with you will still respect you. Lively exchanges of opinions, esp backed up by facts and figures and relevant details, make for interesting,enjoyable and beneficial reading for all. So far so good. Keep it up,guys. Thanks for your contributions.

Its funny ... Arguments have gone one step ahead in saying that Olympics itself would not be considered. Really amazing ... Ha ha. Lol. I wanna remind those who are very well talking about this in this thread need to open the threads of Li Xuerui and Lin Dan in order to know their own posts in these two threads about their victories and the Olympics Golds they have won. People are tuning the radio according to their needs. Vareh wah.. Just to derecognize taufik's achievements, one should not go this much extend which i never ever imagined. Ha ha.. H2H records will give you power of being in the top ???? Funny. Prove it . Thats matters.

Taufik has all the titles except All England. Out of all the players who are still in circuit, only two has won major titles(Asian games, World championships, Olympics).

1) Lin Dan
2) Taufik Hidayat(Except All England).

Just to make themselves happy for that moment, people may compare Taufik with Bao Chunlai(Not even got world Championship, Asian Games, Olympics Gold ) and Chen Long ( Not even won a single major so far )etc etc.

Taufik is still a living legend. Those who tries to demoralise whatever he has achieved, its gonna be in their own dreams nothing else.

Even i have seen in Chen Long's thread , people threw praises like anything (even one person gone overboard calling him as King of badminton for winning a superseries title) one can't even imagine . Taufik did more than what Chen Long done so far(in his age), lets see how CL will do in his remaining career . Taufik is one out of two who still has all the titles and also still playing in the badminton circuit (Apart from LinDan) . We need to admire him for his wonderful, marvelous & fantabulous show in this badminton arena . Still anybody need to know what Taufik has achieved and not achieved?? . Still if they are not satisfied about his performances or they are trying any other way to derail his achievements, then that itself is a great victory for Taufik for his achievements and performances.

a legend is not about figure.
its about the spirit and passion we learn.
by discredit others,u wont become more high class,but it show how low class u are
and add some negative effect on ur idol.
but since the i-drank-too-much-cold-water or i-fly-the-racket doesnt have any good reputation globaly,its ok.

a legend is not about figure.
its about the spirit and passion we learn.
by discredit others,u wont become more high class,but it show how low class u are
and add some negative effect on ur idol.
but since the i-drank-too-much-cold-water or i-fly-the-racket doesnt have any good reputation globaly,its ok.

In your little world in Malaysia i.e. (which kind of explains the very uncalled for Namewee incident)

Reading your consistent berating posts only makes people think of you as the actual low class person you always poke at