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Thursday, December 17, 2009

Telangana XVII: More Concerns

Here I address some more concerns raised by detractors of Telangana Movement. This follows Telangana XV: Concerns.

Isn’t Telangana Movement a purely selfish interest of politicians in their attempt to secure power?

Most detractors dismiss the current Telangana movement as an outcome of pure political and selfish play of some petty politicians of Telangana.They see KCR/TRS as bunch of manipulators who have only one agenda- to usurp power and fill their pockets.They see the entire Telangana movement as a charade that has been designed by these cunning politicians of Telangana. In 1930s and 1940s, Winston Churchill dismissed the entire Indian Independence movement as an artificial construct imposed by Hindu Brahmin Congress leaders onto innocent Indians with only one intention - to grab the power, rule and become rich.

The detractors of Telangana Movement show unsolicited sympathy for gullible people of Telangana who according them were successfully brainwashed by wily politicians of Telangana. They also extend a false pity for Telangana people who, according to them, are not able to see how these cunning politicians are conveniently using the Telangana people for their selfish political and material gains.

In fact, Andhra people are more obsessed with KCR/TRS than Telangana people.Every time we talk of Telangana movement, they launch into a tirade and criticism of KCR/TRS.They confidently believe that the current agitation is completely manufactured by KCR/TRS.If you remove KCR/TRS from the picture, they believe, there won’t be any Telangana Movement whatsoever.That idle people of Telangana would happily go back to being in United Andhra without any protest.

Andhra people actually think that the reports of discrimination, backwardness, and the feeling of being betrayed amongst Telangana people was all constructed by TRS/KCR. They find all our evidences of blatant discrimination, marginalization and suppression of minority by majority to be hoax and dismiss them without even taking a look at them.They pooh-pooh all our efforts in making a case for why Telangana feels neglected and suppressed.

They have already made up their mind even before we start speaking.We are not sure anymore who is brainwashed, them or us?

The more they do not listen to our arguments the more it becomes clear to Telangana people that people of Andhra do not care for us at all.We start doubting the very motives behind these ‘United Andhra’ slogans.Is it because they genuinely want to stay with us? Or is it just because they do not want to lose Hyderabad?

Whenever Telangana people talk of their Movement, Andhra people equate it to KCT/TRS. And this really irritating to Telangana people. It’s like Winston Churchill always referring to ulterior motives of Congress leaders whenever Indians wanted to discuss independence.

They don’t realize that Telangana is not TRS. Telangana Movement spans a time period of sixty years and is beyond political parties. KCR has only come now to capitalize on it.But he is definitely not the leader in control.The people of Telangana are in control.They know exactly what they want.They want a separate state.

Contrary to what most observers believe, it’s not KCR/TRS who is using the people.In reality, it is the people of Telangana who are using KCR/TRS to attain their dream.If KCR/TRS is going to deliver Telangana, they are going to rally behind him.If they see that he is not going to get them a separate state they are going to abandon him instantly.

What most observers don’t realize is that this movement has been going on in Telangana for nearly sixty years now.The torch has passed from generation to generation but the fire has not extinguished.If ever the fire has only become intense with more awareness.More people are now aware of the exploitation Telangana faced and they have more facts and figures and are armed with reason and rationale compared to their forefathers.This movement has reached all corners of Telangana, into Medak, into Mahbubnagar and even Adibalad.At no time was the Telangana Movement so widespread.And this happened in spite of politicians.

Didn’t TRS lose elections in 2009 clearly indicating there is no support for separate Telangana?

Andhra people and Telangana people have diametrically opposite views on how to interpret the verdict of the elections results.

In 2004, TRS contested elections on single point agenda – to secure separate Telangana. They didn’t talk about development, they didn’t talk about caste, they didn’t talk about religion, or any other incentives.So, if someone voted for TRS in Telangana, he did so because he wanted a separate Telangana.Congress formed an alliance with TRS promising Telangana if they come to power in the center.So, it was clear.If you were voting for TRS or Congress in Telangana, you wanted Telangana.

In those elections, TRS-Congress won a clear mandate from the people thereby establishing clearly the mood of Telangana people. They want a separate state.

After the elections, Congress came into power in center and in the state.Naturally, people of Telangana expected Congress to fulfill the promise.It did not.That left TRS was in a lurch.They didn’t have enough muscle power to pull it off on their own.They floundered and did all kinds of gimmicks. Telangana people got disillusioned with TRS/KCR who didn’t deliver on his promises.

In 2009 elections, every political party promised Telangana.TDP, Congress, Communists, Prajarajyam, and host others, along with TRS.That means if you wanted Telangana, you could vote any party this time.TRS lost its vote bank to other parties who promised the same dream.

Now, Andhra people read this as a clear rejection of Telangana sentiment because TRS lost, whereas Telangana people see it as a clear affirmation of Telangana sentiment because every party which won had endorsed a new state.According to Telangana people, Telangana sentiment is now endorsed by every party making it universal and stronger, whereas Andhra people think of it as dilution.

Why didn’t the politicians of Telangana fast for development instead of fast for separation?

I can easily make an equally silly counter argument: Why didn’t the politicians of Andhra fast for passing the resolutions that were promised to Telangana whereby Telangana would never have risen up to ask for a statehood instead of fasting for Samaikya Andhra now?

OK, let’s not be silly.

It is true that Telangana people are disillusioned by their own leaders.They have been betrayed by their own leaders many a times.Starting with those leaders who signed the Gentlemen’s Agreement on behalf of Telangana people to various Chief Ministers from Telangana, many politicians of Telangana betrayed their own people.

We had an opportunist and spineless Chenna Reddy who sold off Telangana agitation on a silver platter by taking his TPS and converting it into Congress.We had a weak PV Narsimha Rao who just sang the tune of his party bosses without fighting for his electorate.Time and again, Telangana politicians sold off their promises to secure morsels from their political masters.

Nevertheless, it is not entirely true that they never fought for their people.It is just that those who tried to fight got subdued by the onslaught of majority and savvy Andhra politicians.

How much ever corrupt and wile our politicians were, they came under pressure many a times in the last fifty years and did try to work for their constituents. But the political framework of India was such that they could not manage anything. When they raised objections as Communist and Opposition parties in 1960s, they were granted agreements which were later revoked by our flawed democratic process. When in 1970s, they voted themselves as TPS to get a separate state they were cowed down by Indira Gandhi with a grant of another agreement.

When this agreement was once again nullified in an assembly which was dominated by Andhra-Rayalaseema region, our leaders took the recourse of law. Supreme Court upheld the agreement, but it was later revoked by an act of Parliament when the Andhra-Rayalaseema held the Center for ransom by demanding a separate state for Andhras. In the last twenty years, the implementation of GO 610 was held back by the majority of Andhra-Rayalaseema though it was raised by Telangana politicians many a times.

In 2004, when Telangana voted TRS-Congress alliance to power because they guaranteed a separate Telangana, the Congress went back on their word eventually leaving the leaders of TRS in a limbo.

In the last sixty years, nothing worked for leaders of Telangana. All the recourses- electoral, democratic and legal institutes- failed to safeguard interest of Telangana thereby proving that things will never work out for them within a single state.

The current fiasco of December 2009 only elicits this further where all the MLAs of Andhra-Rayalaseema resigned en masse to adjourn the Assembly to ensure the current resolution on Telangana is not taken up. This is the third time they have done it to counter Telangana Movement in the last 40 years.This only proves further how partisan our assembly works.

In the current setup, a majority can always suppress the minority continuously, and forever, without having to face the consequences.A minority region will never be able to sum up the numbers to counter a concerted onslaught from the majority. A minority will continuously lose thereby further strengthening the argument why Telangana needs to be become a separate state.

51 comments:

If it is lack of growth and development that you are pointing out as a reason for demending seperate Telangana, please know reality and not the "half truths and assumptions" circulated by corrupt politicians like KCR.

On contrary based on data from National council of applied economic research about rural population of Andhra pradesh (Not Urban) showed that Khammam had highest Human development Index in AP. Of top 5 positions there were 2 Telangana districts (Khammam, Medak), 2 Costal Andhra districts (West Godavari, Krishna), and one Rayalaseema district (Chittor). In bottom 5 positions there were 3 Costal Andhra districts (Vishakapatnam, Guntur, East Godavari)and 2 Telangana districts (Warangal, Mahbubnagar). More details including tables and info are available at my blog "Comparision of Human Development Index in rural Telangana, Rayalaseema and Costal Andhra District". You can also acess white paper from NCAER website at link here. Data presented here is obtained during survey in 2001.

If it is not lack of development then what is it. To me it appears it may be sentiment. This is especially evident in your post "Telangana Movement spans a time period of sixty years and is beyond political parties". To me it looks like we wanted to seperate for last 60 years and we will seperate. Did you ever feel we are all people speaking a common language Telugu and Did you ever feel we are of one nation Indians.

May people talk about Being ruled by Nizams make to special to have seperate heritage and culture is that true. I dont think so, before 500 years telugu kingdoms used to span all the region we currently call Andhra Pradesh. Some of these kingdoms particularly ones we regularly study in our curriculam in State syllabus schools (Not CBSE or ICSE) so called kakatheya dynasty had warrangal as capital. If you forget these basic facts that we were once united before being seperated by Nizams and British.

Potti Sreeramulu did not seek his hunger fast for Telangana but for all Telugu people.

Development both in Micro and Macro levels happened all across Andhra Pradesh. Rural Medak and Khammam fares among top five positions in AP.I agree rural Mahbubnagar is low in human develompent index so is rural Visakhapatnam.

Brothers and Sisters of all telugu speaking population I have only one request to all"If we stay united we can win in fighting poverty and socio economic justice, If we divide we lose out to other people (corrupt politicians)"

Sujai, dont you think Winston Churchill was right? of course it was Educated Hindu Brahmin Congress who wanted power.

In India the power is always in the hands of top 5% of the population pyramid who control mostBusinesses and money, its always like this. Democracy is not yet matured in India where leadersare questioned and make laws in the interest of the people who send them. leaders in India make decisions in the interest of themselves and the business which support their parties.

Mostly 98% of the time it is the bottom 40-30% of the population pyramid who suffers and pays prize for needs and wishesof top 5% of population pyramid who lead them and use them for the intrest of top 5% of population pyramid.

Telangana movement was sleeping deep from 1969 to 2000? and suddenly woken up by KCR and other characters like Vijaya Shanti jumped on this band wagon, i never came to understand the link between Telangana people and Vijaya Shanti. I never heard a word on Telangana between1969 and 2000(May be because Hyderabad was not so developed yet to grab?) Only when the ITrevolution kicked in Hyderabad Telangana people felt heart burn because non-mulki peopleare getting jobs and spending hard in Hyderabad.

We see people are never with KCR by its partys performance. Always KCR tapped into Telangana sentiment and reaped huge benifits.

In 2009 elections YSR was against seperate Telangana. Congress did not promise it will create seperate Telangana state if it wins.congress was intrested in the problems of Telangana people. When YSR was dead against seperate Telangana state, how can you say congress promised seperate Telangana state?Did you see video of YSR Assembly session on Telangana issue, he mocked Telangana TRS leaders for asking seperate state.

I agree rest of the parties promised Telangana and lost 2009 elections.

Why didn’t the politicians of Telangana fast for development instead of fast for separation?

As a political business man which one do you think is more profitable?

Fasting for development lol nothing happens except the leader dies.

Fasting for seperation.....ummmmmm i am ready to do this, i can be a CM, i can be another Madhu koda

Dr Sreeram Penna, Shove it up; go and kiss Lanco's boss. "Potti Sreeramulu did not seek his hunger fast for Telangana but for all Telugu people.": this is drivel. He fought for telugu folks in MAdras state. Learn critical thinking skills: "In an effort to protect the interests of the Telugu people in Madras Presidency, and to preserve the unique culture of Telugu people, he attempted to force the government to listen to public demands for the separation of Andhra region from Madras Presidency based on linguistic lines"

Interesting view by Blueshift, I agree that winston churchill was right. We are still under the wrath of that Nehru family. Ofcourse that is an entirely different topic but I agree to what winston churchill might have felt and its a valid one. The problem at that time was education and political awareness. The problem we are facing now is also the same, lack of education and political awareness that people don't know the real truth behind Telangana Struggle and how people of Telangana got a raw deal. Had the people of Telangana or for that matter people of Andhra know whats going on with the projects, money allocation, etc.. I don't think the present scenario would have developed. I am for pro telangana if its the solution but I am afraid with leaders like KCR who are in the struggle for their own interests rather than the interests of Telangana being the cause of the formation and will be given demi god status once it is formed.I would rather see a complete make over of the policies and implementation of the 3 mentioned by Sujai. Hyderabad is probably the center of all the feud, the government is better advised to develop other regions and have a parallel city. So that AP is not all about Hyderabad but also other cities as well. Just like Delhi and Noida, Mumbai and Pune, Bangalore and Mysore.What do you guyz think ??

I think the easiest solution is to have at least two referendums:1. Should Telengana be a separate state? This one only in Telengana. Because Telangana's future.2. Should Hyderabad be a joint capital or separate state or in Telengana? This should be either done only in Hyd(again as it is Hyderabad's future) or all over the state as everyone worked hard to develop Hyd. Of course everyone worked hard to develop Hyd not because they all love Hyd but because thats where our government concentrated the development efforts.

In a previous blog post you say that B brought the mansion(Hyd) into the marriage. But the problem here is that A believes that both A&B had their 1 bedroom houses(Hyd, kurnool, Vijayawada..) before marriage but decided to live in A's 1 bedroom house. Then A worked hard to make that 1 bed room house into a Mansion. But B's opinion differs.Thats the problem!

Then A worked hard to make that 1 bed room house into a Mansion. But B's opinion differs.

Hyderabad was city#5 before it was forcefully merged with Andhra. And it is now city#5. It was a mansion before and mansion before. A has no share, and needs to pay the rent for using the mansion these 60 years. That would a fair settlement.

@ Dr Sreeram Pennacirculated by corrupt politicians like KCR. KCR Sreeram: you and your Andhra brethen don't get it, do you? You would do well if you get acquainted with logical fallacies. (for someone who claims to be a Dr!). The case for Telangana exists regardless of the (de)merits of KCR. You are attacking Telangana by pointing out KCR's deficiencies (corrupt, etc - as if the politicians from Andhra are head and shoulders above Yudhistira (of Mahabharata fame), King Solomon and Ashoka; they are morally, ethically and spiritually unparalleled, their wisdom unmatched and even their shit smells like fresh lilies).

I would strongly suggest you to read up on logical fallacies. This kind of fallacy is called Guilty by Association. By associating Telangana with KCR and saying that KCR is corrupt, you think you are attacking the case for Telangana. Hmmpf !!!

If it is lack of growth and development that you are pointing out as a reason Next, it is not just lack of growth and development that we are pointing out. If that is the case, under Andhra rule, we are marginally better than Nizams rule, and if we compare, we will perhaps be better than a few Bihar districts and a few sub-Saharan countries.

Our case is that there is misallocation of resources and opportunities. We would have been much better off than we currently are (making you argument of HDI in Telangana districts a moot point).

Potti Sreeramulu did not seek his hunger fast for Telangana but for all Telugu people.Here, you are also FALSIFYING history. He went on a fast to ask that an Andhra state be carved out of Madras Presidency. He fasted for a total of 58 days for an Andhra state with Madras as the capital. He did not go on a fast to unite all the telugu people. Andhra state was formed and was running from capital city Kurnool for 3 years.

Here are some dates to help you understand the timeline better: 16 December 1952 - Potti Sriramulu died. On 1 October 1953, the state of Andhra was established with Kurnool as capital carving it out from Madras State. On November 1, 1956, Telangana was merged with Andhra.

Might I introduce a few sites here? Google.com and Wikipedia are your friends. These will keep you honest. They will help you not make a fool out of yourself when you make assumptions of history (as opposed to intentionally falsifying facts - and think nobody is noticing).

@ Dr Sreeram PennaTo me it looks like we wanted to seperate for last 60 years and we will seperate. Did you ever feel we are all people speaking a common language Telugu and Did you ever feel we are of one nation Indians.

Now, you are trying to make Sujai feel bad that he is invoking false sentiments. Now, why do you want to unite people based on language? How about we divide people based on food habits? All rice-eating into one state; all chapati eaters into another? Or lets say, dressing style: all sari and lungis in one state and all salwar kameezs in one state. Better yet, all males in one state, females in another! There are TONS of differences in people - why are you hell bent on picking out only ONE of the parameters? Do you even realize that the linguistic basis that you so fondly bring to the front is entirely laughable? Imagine a person from Ranga Reddy district going to Nellore, they both don't understand each other.

Brothers and Sisters of all telugu speaking population I have only one request to all"If we stay united we can win in fighting poverty and socio economic justice, If we divide we lose out to other people (corrupt politicians)Large united regions - means large spheres of influence for politicians. Power should be closer to people - the closer, the better. Politicians can be made more accountable.

If you think large groups are better - why do we have 9 - 10 North Indian states, all speaking Hindi? Why not merge them all? In fact, why not merge ALL the states in the country and call it just India, no states? Going by your argument - large states are better, so, lets go with the largest. One State, one Country. And why stop at that -- lets unite all the countries!!!

I hope you do realize that you are not proposing anything new or innovative; regurgitating and spewing the same nonsense that your politicians do, albeit in a slightly modified language.

You said: "In 2009 elections, every political party promised Telangana. TDP, Congress, Communists, Prajarajyam, and host others, along with TRS. That means if you wanted Telangana, you could vote any party this time. TRS lost its vote bank to other parties who promised the same dream."

Dude, the political parties knew exactly what they were doing, milk the T sentiment cow and they succeeded. CBN thwarted state separation in 2000 and YSR let the issue rot for 5 years from 2004. How did you trust these parties? Why did KCR not contest alone this time with his single point agenda if he was so confident?? His party put a poor show and now he got totally marginalized. He saw opportunity is YSR's untimely death and in a last ditch attempt to resurrect himself, he started this drama. The congress high command acted smart but got itself and everyone of us into this mess.As someone recently said, the movement of 70s was by students unemployed, whereas now its by politicians unemployed. Emotions aside, separation was more feasible in the 70s, now the stakes have gotten higher.

I dont know how you interpret the results, but the way everyone understood is that the people of Telangana and AP reposed faith in YSR's progressive government and voted him as CM of united AP for 5 more years.

You are not sure who is brainwashed right? Let me confirm, it is the Telangana separatists like you. The idea was there from independence time and you attribute every failure or negative aspect of your region to this and assume that separate state is the panacea to all the ills there.

Talking about perceptions, you assume people of rest of Andhra see Telangana as a monolith which is not true. I am from Prakasam and for me Ananthapur or Vijayangaram are as alien as Nizamabad. But when in USA, I feel the same sense of kinship when I meet someone from any part of AP.

Going by your opinion of our democracy, Seema people with smallest representation, should be at greater disadvantage than Telangana. Please educate them and they might also start fighting for separation and handouts.

**Potti Sreeramulu did not seek his hunger fast for Telangana but for all Telugu people.

You accuse TRS/KCR of circulating half truths, but it is you who is doing it. If Potti Sriramulu fought for Telugu people, Why was not the United Telugu state not formed but an Andhra state was carved out? **Brothers and Sisters of all telugu speaking population I have only one request to all"If we stay united we can win in fighting poverty and socio economic justice, If we divide we lose out to other people (corrupt politicians)"Yes. We did stay in this sad relationshp for 50 years to work things out. There is only one thing that will happen if we stay united anymore, further repression of Telangana. I have a request in turn. Brothers,Please dont show this false concern,that you never had in the fast 50 years. We know what resulted of your earlier promises. We dont need to look too farther into hitory, your politicians showed it again by changing their stance in a day.

Lets take political parties of out of this equation and look into this matter. None of the elections can be termed as a verdict for or against Telangana. Each can interpret to his own convenience. Did any one of the political party take a formiddable stance on the Telangana issue? Congress promised it in 2004. It was mentioned in president's speech. TDP supported in 2009. You need to take out KCR/TRS from this equation to understand the real issue.Why has there been a fight for 60 years. Why is this issue coming again and again?If you can attribute every Telangana movement to a tainted groupand denounce it, what do you think we should term the current agitation going on for United Telugu state? It seems to me you dont want to respect and accept the wishes of Telangana people. If it is by students, you say they were unemployed. If it is by common people, you say they were brainwashed by politicians. If it is by politicains , they need power. If it is by intellectuals, they are pseudos. If you think that the real Telangana people do not want a spearate state, go to any place in Telangana and get a sizable people agreeing with you.

Seema politicians have enjoyed the clout as a CM for long time in the united state. Why do you think they do not want to be with Andhra in the Andhra state separated? We dont have to educate them.

Hyderabad was city#5 before it was forcefully merged with Andhra. And it is now city#5. It was a mansion before and mansion before. A has no share, and needs to pay the rent for using the mansion these 60 years. That would a fair settlement.I said those are opinions. And you bet that is what the non-telengana people say. What are those rankings based on anyway? So do you think the referendum would be a good option, at least in Hyd for Hyd?

Most ppl who do not want Telanga here and on the ground are doing so because of the fear of losing Hyderabad.

As many have pointed out..Hyderabad/Golconda was one of the richest cities in the world for nearly two thousand years. Not because of what has happened in the past 50 years.

Further if I were a businessman and wanted to make money, I would welcome the formation of a new capital. I would start buying land in Vizag and await the infrastructure spend. This huge spends of 1000s of crores will come mostly from PPP: new airport, toll roads, hotels etc.

Huge boon to everyone in Andhra: job seekers, businessman etc.

Plus easier to adminster a smaller region: so common man will benefit. He should wake up and demand his rights rather than worry about Hyderabad.

Dude, the political parties knew exactly what they were doing, milk the T sentiment cow and they succeeded.

So you agree that the cow exists. That Telangana sentiment exists. There has to be a cow already existing. Otherwise how could anyone milk it?

CBN thwarted state separation in 2000 and YSR let the issue rot for 5 years from 2004.

So you admit that Andhra and Rayalaseema politicians did a volte face to make sure no Telangana state is created. So, it was not just Telangana politicians who betray Telangana people, even Andhra politicians betray Telangana people.

How did you trust these parties?

We have been making those mistakes. We are beyond politics now. We have lost out on all fronts- legal, electoral and democratic. The whole of Telangana are sick of politics and politicians – they just want a separate Telangana. Your assessment only corroborates what we have been saying – that politicians are toying with our aspirations.

As someone recently said, the movement of 70s was by students unemployed, whereas now its by politicians unemployed.

Make up your mind. If there was no Telangana sentiment how can a politician milk it? Either there is Telangana sentiment amongst the people in which case, why do you guys keep saying it is purely political?

Emotions aside, separation was more feasible in the 70s, now the stakes have gotten higher.

Yes, that’s why it becomes imperative that Telangana becomes a separate state. More people in Telangana are involved than ever before.

The idea was there from independence time and you attribute every failure or negative aspect of your region to this and assume that separate state is the panacea to all the ills there.

Since we seem to believe that panacea is a separate state to all our ills, why do you oppose it so vehemently? What are you trying to teach us? That we will happy together – when we have been telling you since the time of independence that we won’t be happy with you?

Sentiment exists and everyone is in agreement with that. I never wrote anything to the contrary. The politicians did not do a volte face, they just followed the plan and they are very good at cheating. Now, why are we opposing? Because, its the fear of unknown the change could bring. People are worried about the safety of their investments and properties. People are worried about mutual hatred that separation could cause. People are fearing what the new economy could look like if they lose their biggest revenue generating region. People are opposing because of many real issues, not for silly crap like obsessive love for T people or like husband leaving wife etc. We want 'business as usual' because we are all progressing forward and are doing ok.

Bix said "If you can attribute every Telangana movement to a tainted groupand denounce it, what do you think we should term the current agitation going on for United Telugu state? It seems to me you dont want to respect and accept the wishes of Telangana people."

Manohar,One section of the people are worried about their investments and properties, the other section of the people are worried about their livelihood.One section is progressing where as the other is lagging for 50 years. Yes, the lives of 4 crores of people is silly crap as compared to the business interests of few thousand rich people.

could you come up with an independent post on how TELANGANA can overcome POWER CRISIS given that entire IRRIGATION is heavily dependant on ELECTRICITY

I am not sure if I want to get into those details right now. But for your sake, I have downloaded the 2006-07 report from our State Electricity Board and here is my preliminary analysis:

Telangana produced 3421 MW while Andhra produced 5302 MW and Rayalaseema produced 2420 MW.

Only 3 plants produce this power in Telangana and all of them are pretty old (Kothagudem, Ramagundam, and Nagarjuna Sagar), while Andhra has more than 16 plants, many of them are new that came up in the last 10 years. For many years, the power plants that supported most of Andhra Pradesh state have been the power plants of Telangana. Andhra has seen tremendous growth in the last ten years in terms of power production.

Telangana should invest in more power plants, including smaller dams and nuclear stations in addition to more thermal power plants.

Rest on the blog...No one on this blog is commenting on what is wrong if a separate Telangana state is formed.

Pardon my week history of AP.. but if I recall it right, no body lost anything during creation of AP as a state from Tamilnadu. Infact, there is better allocation of resources and on par development if not better than Tamilnadu. Do not miss the fact that, with creation of new states, there is more local government and more opportunities to develop better cities. Who knows, Vijayawada or Vizag may become the next hot cities pushing Hyderabad back...

If Winston Churchill was right, we do not exist as a nation today. Stop showing self pity and stop being a pessimist. How many times did you stand in the line and vote? We are living in a democracy and you should realize that. Is your problem, Hyderabad OR Telangana?

I am not sure, if you read other articles in this blog from Sujai. It is the people of Telangana that want separate state not just the leaders. Can you tell me why do you think "Purna Swaraj declaration" came only in 1930 while INC was formed in 1885? Drawing the analogy, people of Telangana waited long enough to see the fruits of development before demanding a new state.

Going by your own words... "Why didn’t the politicians of Telangana fast for development instead of fast for separation?"

You have the answer in your reply..

"Fasting for development lol nothing happens except the leader dies"

You are exactly right here...

If you want to fast to become another Madhu Koda, yes sure, why not... but I can tell you, you are not thinking big. It is an insult to your very own self..

I just found your blog. Need to catch up yet on all you have written. I just read the first link. I completely agree with you on the Telangana demand. I believe all the people of Telanagan feel the same way. You are doing a great service to Telangana and India. Keep it up and good luck.

For myself, I have not met (personally) a Telangana person who does not want a separate state. I read postings online that say they are from Telangana (I dont really believe this part of their statement) and they don't want Telangana.

In my life so far I stayed in many parts of AP and know theignorance of Andhra people about Telangana's problems. Well, they are not facing the problems/suffering/deprivation, so they don't care and don't want to know about them.

I think it is very difficult to bring these inequalities to attention when all the news media is owned and operated by Andhra people. I feel the pain when historic events are represented incorrectly and most of the people dont know the formation of Andhra State and Andhra Pradesh. People don't know and misrepresent that Potti Sreeramulu fought for Andhra Pradesh. When it was actually for Andhra State, to get separated from Madras State. Which was very similar to Telangana Demand except for the language aspect.

@ Blueshit ..Telangana people should not blow up this window of oppurtunity by insisting on Hyderabad

Read this aloud a trillion times until it is written to your permanent memory: Hyderabad is an integral part of Telangana. Hyderabad was, is and will belong to Telangana. It was built by the people of Telananga over a few hundred years.

Oh forget it !! ppl like u fit the bill of "kukku thoka vankara" proverb so perfectly. Ramayanam antha vini malli basic Q's adagevallani murkulu antaru. Are u proposing some kind of a consolation prize to telanganaites by trying to propose HYD as a UT ??? Why does the question of making HYD a UT even arises is something i've been scratching my brain to figure out. Well, dont want to go into further details but dont u dare talk about losing the opportunity of seperate telangana formation...Telangana will be formed with Hyderabad as our capital and that is what we rightfully deserve...nothing less !

One thing we should relaise that, the development of any area is depends on the people of that village/mandal/dist/state. I will give a small example here about my village. It is has population around 800 in year 1976. No big land lords, business or job holders. All the families depends on cultivation. 40% of them are daily lobours and rest are small farmers. A thought came from the people in the village to have high school, then they colleted Rs10,00 to get the permission and other formalities for the high school. All the villagers and children collectively worked hard and constructed a buiding ( walls and roofing with palm leaves). The same help is continued for next 5 years and we had an high school in 1980-81. Here, what I want to convey is it should come from the people.

Nowadays also, I used to hear from some of my frined in Telangana region, we were from the family of land lords (zamindaries). I strongly believe, this is one of the reason for this reason not having the political and social awareness among the lower class people.

Coming to the main issue, everyone is talking about the sentiment among the pople, if it is the case, then why can't these people didn't raise the voice when PV Narasimharao was the prime minister of India. As a person of this region, knows about the sentiment of the people.

I will tell you one thing, if CMs are from the same region, it doesn't mean that he/she will help to prosper that region.

We had Neelam Sanjeeva reddy, Kotla vija Bhaskar Reddy, Chandrababu Naidu and Rajasekhar reddy from Rayalaseema region. Are they really helped to this region?

Similarly, PV Narasimharao, Chenna Reddy, Jalagam vengalraro, T Anjaiah all were CMs from Telangana Region and PV is the Prime miniser of India. How far they succeed?

Take the recent central ministers in the Govt of India. All the cabinate rank ministers are from Telangana. How far they helping for the devlopment of this region.

Finally, the growth and development should come from peoples mind not from politicians.

Guys why do you think Central Government established so many companies in or around Hyderbad(HMT, BHEL, DRDL, NRSA, CCMB, HAL, ECIL, NFC). Do they love Hyderabad more than Vijayawada, Vizag or any other place. Nope. They did that because our governments tend to develop the capital city more than any other place in state.When the Public Sector was on decline the private sector caught on. And why did that happen in Hyd only? The earlier public sector growth gave better standards of living to their employees and there by better education. This provided better knowledge pool for the companies.

So that is the reason most of the people in AP think Hyd is theirs.

Sujai,In reply to Manohar you said that you are tired of politicians. If you are tired of them are you planning not to go for democracy once the T state is formed? If not where are those politicians hiding? Are they going to come out and do some good only after the T-state is formed?

Small sates may be easy to govern and create more state jobs but that is a lot more expenditure to go.

Telangana folks want Telangana. I am telugu, from Prakasam. I am for Telangana. You know why? My area doesn't depend on Krishna water.

Why are you against Telangana? Assume that you have a busienss in Hyd. As long as you are not taking advantage of political influence, your business would do fine in Telangana state. If you are a power broker, yes, you need to be worried.

If you got land that utilizes Krishna Water, yes, you need to be worried.

Whoever awareded you a doctorate or MBBS should be proud of your critical thinking!

After reading some comments looks like seperate Telangana movement is the result of heart burn of Telangana people in Hyderabad and just to grab Hyderabad.

In that case its impossible to form Telangana state. No matter what you talk. Telangana people must get F22 Raptors,Abrams,Leopard 2 etc.... to grab Hyderabad from the people of Andra and Rayalaseema. I do not see any another way.

Either try to turn Hyderabad back to what it was 50 years back and then you can take back Telangana i mean Hyderabad.

I never invested in Hyderabad , and wound never invests in Hyderabad in future.

I am from Nellore and feel that it was sidelined because of over reliance on Hyderabad. Being separate from Telangana is boon to cities across costal andhra and rayalaseema. If it is resources you are talking about. Costal Andhra and Rayalaseema have lot more than telangana can offer. Gas in the KG basin won’t need to be shared with people from Telangana. Access to sea for Telangana needs to be via Costal andhra or any other state. Mineral rich Rayalaseema can be boon to industrial revolution across our region. Service industry in Hyderabad, Bangalore, Chennai, Delhi, Pune, and Mumbai can be competed with better provision of infrastructure. These are especially important as India is trying to move away from Agrarian economy to Industrial, Manufacturing, and Service economy.

But all these transcend matter of unity. It is unity that I am interested in. There are ways to funnel development. It requires educational, social improvement along with entrepreneurship and political motivation. Political movement is only one answer which sometimes may not have desired outcome. Have you ever remembered what we have lost with policy of "Divide and rule"

@ DrSreeramPennaBut all these transcend matter of unity. It is unity that I am interested in. There are ways to funnel development. It requires educational, social improvement along with entrepreneurship and political motivation. Political movement is only one answer which sometimes may not have desired outcome. Have you ever remembered what we have lost with policy of "Divide and rule"

Somehow, you and your enlightened politicians conveniently forgot this when fighting for a separate Andhra from Madras Presidency.

I have not been following any particular blog on this issue but have been trying to think of it as a development problem with regard to issues like decentralization, peoples wishes voices etc. From a recent post in 'Law and Other Things', it seems hat the appropriate word is 'subsidiarity'. This post by Tarunabh Khaitan in Subsidiarity and State Formation links to several interesting articles related to the current discussions on Telangana.

What unity are you talking about? Different panchayats, different mandals, different revenue divisions, different states, .. This list goes on: in fact, bifurcation and uniting are neither necessary nor sufficient for development. However, bifurcation rules away one more culprit of under development: seemandhra is hindrance for Telangana's progress. The argument that "being united" solves irrigation and other issues, is nonsense: where were seemandhra politicians then. Today, normal public in seemandhra don't give a damn about Hyderabad, any more than they give a darn to bangalore: people go there and work in factors. Many people from kurnool go to Rajastan to install granites: Some of them are settled in Rajastan, and have kids, etc. Now they are proud citizes of Rajastan.

If you are fond of Hyderabad, just move there and settle yourself: they won't deny you and your kids votes that help you participate in telagana state politics.

It is pretty simple that Seema and Andhra politicians can't play any more tricks in Hyderabad, once Telagana is formed; same thing happened when Andhra state was carved out of Madras: Andhra politicians lost influence in Chennai. What kind of influence, you may ask: any influence that is not related to helping constituents; but to help themselves and their cronies.

Now, why are we opposing? Because, its the fear of unknown the change could bring. People are worried about the safety of their investments and properties.

There is no need to fear the change. The change here is for the good. Certain people who have been suppressed, discriminated and marginalized are finding a voice. That voice may not be in the best interests of you. But if you are mature you should still welcome it. One should feel proud that this voice which was suppressed for sixty years is now finding its utterance.

Gandhi wanted to make sure British left India on a good note. He urged them to make the transition smooth. That’s what happened in the end. How else could India entertain a British viceroy as its first viceroy of Independent India for three years? When British left, they left with fanfare. Indians cheered them, they did not boo them.

That’s because British, though they ruled us against our wishes for nearly two centuries were mature enough to let it go when the time came.

On the other hand, French were kicked out of their colonies (like Algeria and Indochina) with bloody feet and broken bones. They were shunned. They were hated. There was no friendliness. No cordial relations.

Andhras had a choice. They could have been British of India or French of Algeria/IndoChina. They chose to be French of Algeria/IndoChina. Prolonging this separation is not in the best interests of Andhra. They are not realizing this. They are prolonging because they see a ray of hope – that they could still get Hyderabad or may be convert it into Union Territory thereby depriving Telangana of their prized possession to have the last laugh. That will not go well on Telangana people. They are watching as events unfold. More of them have become strong supporters in the last few weeks than ever before because they see the betrayal, the greed, the avarice unfolding on live media.

If I were a Andhra. I would let it go right away. Make friends, give up Hyderabad to those people who legitimately own it and earn the plaudits as mature leaders.

Prolonging this will only sour the relationship. It will become bitter. And after that a poison.

People are worried about mutual hatred that separation could cause.

The only way that could be stopped is if Andhra let go of Telangana right now instead of making it a long and protracted affair where seeds of hatred will be sown deeper and stronger.

People are fearing what the new economy could look like if they lose their biggest revenue generating region.

Now is not the time to think of business. You will have all the time in the world to think of new economy and economic potential. Now the time is to take a stand on one of the greatest moral crisis this region has seen in the last hundred years. Where do you stand? On the side of justice? Or will you join your brothers to further marginalize and widen the gap with the people of Telangana?

In reply to Manohar you said that you are tired of politicians. If you are tired of them are you planning not to go for democracy once the T state is formed? If not where are those politicians hiding? Are they going to come out and do some good only after the T-state is formed?

Just because someone is tired of tedious legal process in the country doesn’t automatically translate to that person trying do away with legal process. It only means that they want to the current legal process to improve.

Next time around, you have to do better than that to elicit my response.

WHY ONLY OSMANIA ARTS COLLEGE?WHY NOT OTHER BIGGIES LIKE JNTU ENGINEERING? or OSMANIA ENGINEERING or OTHER UNIVERSITIES WHERE THE SO CALLED CREAMY LAYER aka INTELLECTUALS/ENTERPRENUERS(WHO CREATE JOBS NOT THESE MAROONS WHO DISTROY THEM) WHO ARE THE MOST SUCCESFUL BRAND OF HYDERABAD NOT ACTIVE OR DISTANCED THEMSELVES?

Naru Sree, Here there are only three children and most of the income is provided by the eldest, telangana(includes hyderabad).But this child is only given a big allowance for making his face up and not for his food or other needs. Where as the allowances for the other two children includes more than they earn and adequately supports all their needs.

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