INFJ or INTJ?

Yes, this is my first post. But I've been intrigued greatly by this entire site - especially since you all seem to have a bit of awesomeness in ye - so here's to attempting to type each other.

I, about 2 years ago, took an online test based upon the Meyers-Briggs personality theory-etc, and the first time I took it I checked as an INFJ. Perhaps 9 months later, I took it again. I came as an INTJ, but it said that the 't' wasn't extremely strong compared to 'f'. I suppose some of the questions I'd changed one or two of my answers to.

Anyway, recently a family member has come to me and said he thinks I'm an INTJ. He's ENT(J), functioning more as a P in my opinion. However, I insisted that INFJ was my type.

My proof:

1) Yes, extro-feeling means I feel more strongly than I think. But I do not like to show people my feelings - he states it's because I'm a T, I state it's because I've had bad experiences with sharing my feelings. As the main site says, 'The personality disorder which is a pathological representation of the Sensitive personality type is the Avoidant Personality Disorder.' ... which runs on a basis of 'I may get hurt', and thus I avoid possibilities of getting hurt. If I've been emotionally hurt talking to people and sharing my feelings, I could logically be functioning as a T because of APD.
2) He does not know what I feel. I do feel strongly, but he doesn't see it. Over the last year, much has happened to make me even more reserved. He thinks I act confident and self-assured. It's just a wall, I suppose, because I never feel confident or self-assured. Maybe it's because I have a ridiculous inability to understand how people see me.

His proof:

1) I never talk about my feelings. Well, yes, I don't really talk about my feelings - in real life. I can talk about them much better online, because I don't like opening up to people face-to-face.
2) I don't tell anyone if I feel hurt or sad or depressed or melancholy, and I tend to react more with my thinking than I do with my feelings. It's true, I don't stand for illogicality in someone's thought process.

He says that I might also be a P, because I like to be informed on decisions. But I consider myself a J because I make decisions strongly when I do make them, which is fairly often and quickly.

> the ratio of close friends online as opposed to real life is about 5:1. considering I don't call very many people 'friends' online, much less in real life, you might see that.
> i cannot make phone calls, it's fairly impossible for me.
> i have been told that I am rather good at writing; I have won awards for short story writing. the only odd thing about people's reactions to what I write is either this: 'abstract! we can't understand!' or 'trouble connecting things together'.
> I have, as I said, ridiculously low self-esteem.

Alright, so type me!

I am going to blow the horn of Rohan, and give them all some music they have never heard before.

I must admit, first time I read 'thehotelambush'-s post, I realized that socionics and MBTI were much more different than I thought. So it was a bit of "Gah, I'm stupid" moment.

Hm. What does one wish to know? I'm fairly quiet ... I see myself as extremely reserved in social settings, actually, it's rare that you get a word out of me even if I'm in a group of acquaintances, and there's someone fairly 'new' there. I get embarrassed easily, even if someone asks me a question I must avoid their eyes. Turning red isn't very uncommon.

I love to read, to write ... and I like to draw, but it's never very good. I could write a poem fairly quickly, really. Words I rather like, better than real-life interaction, because they're easier to procure and they're not as ... emotionally charged and foolish as verbal interaction. I enjoy listening to music - odd choices, really - because it blocks outside distractions. I tend to get intense about what I'm doing - I must immerse myself in it completely...

I am a Christian... and I believe quite strongly in being one. I'm an absolutist, and I tend to think in black or white... I love paradoxes, strangely... and debates. When I was significantly younger I used to get into elongated debates with people I knew - those who were more than three times my age...

I've also been klepto in the past. Odd OCD things randomly appearing. I go for abstract writing. And I don't like romance novels. <_<

So ...yeah.

I am going to blow the horn of Rohan, and give them all some music they have never heard before.

Jarno: I am more interested in humans. Science doesn't interest me much... but if I read textbooks on it, I can probably immerse myself in it. Until I find something I don't understand, after which I usually am bored. When I was younger, I picked up a physics textbook, and enjoyed the explanations, but when it came to the mathematics parts, I was distinctly put off. Needless to say, I didn't open that book for over a year after that.

Hm, after reading as much as I could on the Socionics site, I'm beginning to understand more of the socionics theory. I actually most likely like this - or understand it - more than the MBTI type-theory, because it allows for more specific classifications...

Would someone explain what subtypes are - and if they're on the Socionics website? I couldn't find anything on subtypes there. Or maybe this is a stupid question. <_<

I am going to blow the horn of Rohan, and give them all some music they have never heard before.

First, so far I think INFj is more likely than INTj, if we consider only those types.

Originally Posted by Mona

Would someone explain what subtypes are - and if they're on the Socionics website? I couldn't find anything on subtypes there. Or maybe this is a stupid question. <_<

Subtypes are a convenient way of explaining why and how some people can be of the same type and yet behave differently enough so that they might be seen as different types -- or the other way around: why someone seems to many to be clearly of a certain type, but actually be of another one.

For instance:

If you take an ISFj ethical subtype and an ISFj sensory subtype. Many would be inclined to type the ISFj-Fi as INFj, and the ISFj-Se as ISTj; but a closer look at their values, functional preferences, and their relationships with people, would show that they are of the same type - ISFj - even if also somewhat different in their behavior.