Bob Johnson:
So, should Disneyland be closed on the Sabbath? Should the NFL be forbidden to play on Sunday? Shall the US return to all the Blue Laws that have been repealed? Which of God’s laws does a judge enforce?

Susan Perelka:
The sabbath rest is now in Jesus, the first was just a foreshadow of the real One to come. Read the book of Romans and Hebrews. We are under a New Covenant.

Bob Johnson:
So it would appear by your reasoning that the “sabbath rest is now in Jesus” began with the New Covenant. That this New Covenant did not really begin until the repeal of the Blue Laws in 1961, before that the multitude did not understand Jesus’ message.
So much for the 4th Commandment.

Guest Verified:
You don't even know when Sabbath is, nor do you know what it is for. Why are you pretending to be an expert on it? :)
When do you think the sabbath is, Bob?

Bob Johnson:
Friday sunset to Saturday sunset.

Guest Verified:
So why did you refer to it as Sunday in your other posts, Bob? Do you even know what you are talking about, or are you arguing for the sake of arguing?

Bob Johnson:
Susan is claiming that US judges should be following God’s Word but never force someone to believe against their will. She is also stating that we are now thanks to Jesus under a New Covenant. Many Christians accept that the Sabbath is now Sunday and American Blue Laws (which began being repealed in the 1960s) reflected this by requiring most businesses to be closed on Sundays. I asked the questions for Disneyland being closed on Saturday, the traditional Sabbath, and the NFL with all the associated vendors working on Sunday. So to get down to brass tacks, how should we understand the fourth commandment? And should we again reenact those blue laws to follow God’s Word?

Guest Verified:
You clearly didn't understand what Susan is saying. Try re-reading it carefully without making assumptions.
Show me where in the Bible it states that Sabbath got switched to Sunday, and where it says Christians must observe it. I'll wait.

Bob Johnson:
“Show me where in the Bible it states that Sabbath got switched to Sunday, and where it says Christians must observe it.”
The second part is easy, look to the Ten Commandments. Commandment Four states in Exodus 20:8-11,
“Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.”
So if as Susan was saying, that the US should follow God’s law would that not start with the Ten Commandments? If not, which of the other Ten Commandments may Christians simply ignore?
Sunday - I agree with you the Bible does not state that the Sabbath was switched to Sunday, but then we must look to Christian tradition, why is worship services on Sunday? Why is it called Sunday School? And for all those American blue laws, why were stores and restaurants closed on Sunday?

Guest Verified:
Hi Bob,
The portion of Scripture you quoted is from the Old Covenant and in no way suggests sabbath was moved to Sunday. In fact, it proves otherwise. :) Here's a tip for you: try actually reading the Bible before telling us what it says. Copying from atheist sites will only make you look bad. They always get it wrong. :)
It also is from the commandments that were given to the Israelites. The Bible always specifies when God is talking to all mankind or when He is talking to Israel specifically.
As far as why Christians meet on Sundays and have Sunday school, well, that has nothing to do with sabbath. Paul instructed Christians to meet the first day of the week in order to make a collection for the poor, and that habit stuck. (Sunday is the first day of the week.)
If there's anything else I can clear up for you, just let me know.

Imagine the left twisting themselves into a Gordian knot over this subject. . .the left and their holy sacrament of abortion on demand (no restrictions), and the left also arguing abortion on demand (no restrictions unless the baby will be homosexual). Get the popcorn. . .

(The End): Would you feel better if nobody had sex? For whatever reason everyone in the world stops having sex. Do you feel any better?

I like to imagine that women no longer permit any man to touch them, and all females are issued weapons to thwart off the constant rape attempts. Then every man would suffer as we have, and we can tell them "Bro, sex isn't even that big of deal." :p

I love this idea... such sweet revenge.

(Anger): Fucking yes, i fucking hate it when everyone is happy having sex besides me, i want drag them down into the abyss so everyone can experience my pain amd misery.

(Blancmange): I wish most people were contaminated & sterilised by radiation poisoning from an apocolyptic nuclear winter, human cries of sorrow and pain would be heard among the rubble and debris that would litter wastelands that were once cities, water would taste like ash and the world would be lit only by fire, those that live would pray for death .....people would then finally suffer the way I suffer.

Teachers are actually vile, they are normies. They are cruel to us incels and even worse to autists (such as me) Combine both and you'd be the NEMESIS for the teacher. As caring and nurturing as they appear, THIS IS NOT THE CASE!! Head to teachers' office and it's no different to any normie environment.

I've learned this LONG TIME AGO. I think teachers are actually viler than normies.

I encourage my web visitors to think objectively. Challenge everything! Is it Biblical? There is nothing wrong with thinking objectively. In fact, that is exactly what 1st John 4:1 commands us to do. We ought to test everything against the inspired Word of God, which is the inspired King James Bible!!! God curse is upon America because of all these fake Bible versions today. There are literally several hundreds English Bible translations today. There is nothing wrong with your King James Bible!!! The Holy Bible was not meant to be easy to understand, clearly evidenced by Peter's frustration over Paul's hard to understand writings (2nd Peter 3:16-17).

“So foolish was I, and ignorant...” (Psalm 73:22)

It was in the May 2016 news, that in Florida a school camera caught 25 boys herding into a men's restroom to have sex with a willing young girl (slut). The boys were so despicable that they filmed the youth behaving like animals, having multiple boys having carnal knowledge with her, uploading the video to the internet. What do you expect when there is no moral standard in the schools? Without the Holy Bible, anything goes, which is exactly what the Luciferian elite want. Who do you think removed the Word of God from the schools? I'll tell you, Freemasons, whose God is Lucifer! An alarming amount of American youth today are on drugs, obese, teen parents, fornicating, suicidal, confused, bitter against God, ungrateful, full of blame, proud, resentful, angry, rebellious, et cetera. There is nothing respectable about a satanic cult like Freemasonry that destroys the lives of young people! And I am sick of their retarded All Seeing Eye everywhere we look nowadays. It is really getting annoying! The only eyes I care about are the eyes of the Lord!!!

Islam is the ‘ disease eternal ‘, which managed to hide its true character from the masses – both affected and non affected for quite a long time in history. People considered it a ‘religion’s(of all things !! ) as they were duped by the techniques of deceptions used by the islamists, which they perfected over all this time.

Now that we have learnt sufficiently , and enormously , that islam can never be a religion. If anything, it is the most vile political ideology to conquer the world and plunder its resources using the name of the Arab moon God ‘Alla’ as a subterfuge. This has fooled us over centuries to extract ideological concessions as if it was a religion, true to the term.

It is time to eradicate this poison of islam from this planet. It is a civilisations necessity of highest order now. We must not leave our posterity to be infected by this disease any more and ensure their peace. This is our duty , and nothing less.

Infidel i agree with you that we do not have global ambitions to wipe out any civilization or religion off the face of terra firma. But Islam does not share the same values. Unfortunately we have in India stupid values like “Sarva Dharm samabhav(All religions are the same)” and such crap. How can all religions be the same. They are fundamentally different and have different aspirations as per the level of civilization in which they grew.

We forget this . Off late i am going through ancient indian state craft manuals like the Panchatantra, which is laughed off as a series of animal stories to teach mundane morals like the Aesop fables. But in reality it is a great state craft manual. In fact nowhere do i find the nature of enmity analyzed so brilliantly as in the panchatantra. It also prescribes how to deal with various kinds of enmities.

And under that categorization Islam’s enmity with other religions is of the nature of the enmity between a cat and a dog or a snake and a mongoose. The only solution in such situations is obvious. One more book is the Hitopadesha. These books should serve as the guide to deal with Jihad. Not absolutely emaciating Gandhian non violence which is nothing but a voluntary acceptance to perform suicide, not only your suicide but the suicide of your loved ones too,

Trying to get away as far as possible from people I try to use nature as a cope. I go for hikes, find a stream to swim in, go for evening walks, etc..

All is great until I have the unfortunate experiencing of constantly seeing animals having sex:
1.) two butter fly constantly flying in and out of each other before sitting on a rock to mate
2.) constantly seeing insect like flies which are attached to each other
3.) yesterday i was walking at night i witnessed two stray cat mating
4.) today i watch two squirl chase one another until they find a spot in the tree together, i am sure they were not fighting..

Constantly being reminded of my inceldom is causing me mental anguish, no matter where i am going, no matter what i am doing, i am only reminded of my incel status and how i will never get to experience

If you want progress, stop discriminating people based on gender and start discriminating them based on IQ. And that's INDIVIDUAL IQ, not "my parents were smart so I'm smart", prove it, we test you first and then assign the level of rights based on that.

You want to know why we're not progressing faster? Take a hint: most people in politics and "civil society" are bullies and narcissists. Almost NONE are scientists. Almost NONE are geniuses in the true sense. Sure they may be average or above average, but that's not enough to manage a complex society.

People themselves are a problem, they don't want real intellectuals leading them, they are easily impressed by bullies and narcissists. The way the system is set up, that's what you need to be to succeed in any leadership positions. Freedom and democracy went to far. Time to scale it back a lot.

{the following is from a later post in the same comment thread, emphasis by Vman:}

[...]

What are the actual conditions?

1. absolutely no violent crime

You will not go to prison immediately, less severe but still violent crimes will involve relocation in tier 2 residential areas where only other violent criminals are sent to. As technology improves we can ensure compliance easier.

2. people receiving assistance through basic income are barred from having children

Violation = castration and relocation to an area where such violators can be more easily monitored. Not prison, but limited ability to travel and interact with others.

There are many ways we can brainstorm what a scientific rational based governance would look like. It would also be far more nuanced than this childish left vs. right freak show.

Repent and believe that Jesus is your Lord and Savior would be more accurate. You do not accept Jesus; He accepts you upon repentant faith.

The idea of “accepting” Jesus is very poor terminology. Imagine that I drove into the Augusta Country Club, loaded my golf clubs onto a cart, then walked into the clubhouse and announced that I had accepted them and would be teeing off in 10 minutes. What do you think the reaction would be? Most likely, I would be escorted off the club grounds because I do not accept them, but rather they accept me. That is the order of things, and it is the same with God.

God is in authority. I accept His terms of surrender. I do not accept Him, He accepts me when I lay down my arms and surrender on His terms. Repentance is laying down your arms and surrendering. Faith is believing that Christ died to pay the penalty for your sins, and that the perfect righteousness He earned can and will be credited to you when you surrender.

So, as the Holy Spirit says:

“Today, if you hear his voice,

do not harden your hearts

as you did in the rebellion,

during the time of testing in the wilderness,

where your ancestors tested and tried me,

though for forty years they saw what I did.

That is why I was angry with that generation;

I said, ‘Their hearts are always going astray,

and they have not known my ways.’

So I declared on oath in my anger,

‘They shall never enter my rest.’?”

Hebrews 3: 7–11

Repent and believe while you can, for a time will come when God will say “You shall never enter my rest.”

Amazon applauds @KevinYoder on the passage of his amendment to the @DHSgov appropriations bill, H.R. 392, that would remove the per-country limit on green cards. This is an important step towards green card reform, and Amazonians thank you for your leadership on this issue.

There is no European Christendom. There is only one genderfluid system of systems, one vast and immane, interwoven, interacting, multivariate, multinational dominion of dildos. Petro-dollars, electro-dollars, multi-dollars, bitcoin, dickcoin, clitcoin, and shekels. It is the international system of cashless transaction which determines the totality of life on this planet. That is the natural order of things today. That is the atomic and subatomic and galactic structure of things today! And YOU — pro-America dissident — have meddled with the primal forces of nature, and YOU… WILL… ATONE! Am I getting through to you, Mr. Trump? You get up on your little hundred-and-twenty-one inch screen and howl about America First. There is no America. There is no democracy. There is only Facecock, and Twatter, and Amazonia, and Clitflix, HBOrifice, Goolag, and Gamergate. Those are the nations of the world today. What do you think the Russians talk about in their councils of state, Karl Marx? They get out their linear programming charts, statistical decision theories, minimax solutions, and compute the price-cost probabilities of their two bit phishing scams and Facecock ad investments, just like we do. We no longer live in a world of nations and ideologies, Mr. Trump. The world is a college of corporations, inexorably determined by the immutable bylaws of gaysex. The world is a business, Mr. Trump. It has been since man crawled out of the slime. And our genitally malformed anti-social autistic children will live, Mr. Trump, to see that… perfect world… in which there’s no war or famine, oppression or brutality. One vast and ecumenical holding company, for whom all men will work to serve a common profit, in which all men will hold a share of clit ticklers. All hormone replacements provided, all anxieties tranquilized, all boredom amused. And I have chosen you, Mr. Trump, to KNEEL BEFORE ZOG.

1. "We embrace the many variations of the view expressed by many great Christian thinkers that “We take the Bible too seriously, to read it all literally.”

Really, this sounds like an excuse to make up your own opinion as to what is good and bad rather than accept what the Bible says.

2. "We don’t think that God wrote the Bible. We think it was written by fallible human beings who were inspired by (not dictated to by) the Holy Spirit. Hence, we don’t consider it to be infallible or inerrant."

Then why bother with the Bible at all? After all, you are so much more clever than those who wrote it and know so much more. You even know more than Jesus who clearly did regard the Bible as infallible.

3. "While we’re aware of the many inconsistencies and contradictions in the Bible; and while we’re abhorred by, and reject, the various instances of horrible theology that appear here and there within the texts (e.g., passages that posit God as wrathful, vindictive, and condoning of slavery, and even “ordering” rape and genocide, etc.), they don’t cause us to reject the Bible, rather, they endear us to the Bible. Not because we agree with those passages, but because we recognize that they are fully human – they’re authentic, they’re down to earth, and they flat out convey the desperate and very real frustration, lament, and anger that are part of the human condition. The fact that such passages were allowed to be written into our holy scriptures are evidence of a mature people who realize that it’s best not to hide our dirty laundry or to deny our very real human feelings and passions. If the Bible were all about PR propaganda, they would have edited out those passages. We view those passages as exceptions to the over-arching message of the Bible of promoting unconditional love and the full inclusion and acceptance of all of God’s children. Indeed, while we wish those passages weren’t there, they actually help us to grant authority to the Bible in that we can see that was written by fellow humans who are struggling with real life and death matters of injustice, oppression. And since they make space for our need to vent and rage – we honor the Bible all the more for it honors our shadow sides – and that honoring is what allows for the possibility of our shadows being transformed and integrated in healthy ways."

So in other words, as above, you take out the bits you like and reject those you don't like. You seem to think that all mankind is God's children, reading the Bible should have taught you that this is not so. Would you consider Hitler, Stalin or Pol Pot God's children? And BTW there are no " inconsistencies and contradictions in the Bible".

4. "We read the Bible prayerfully. We agree with our conservative brothers and sisters that the Holy Spirit helps us to interpret what we need to read as we read."

To read the Bible in this way you first have to be a Christian, you have to be willing to listen to God. Your previous points have demonstrated that this is not the case so you cannot claim to receive the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

5. "We seek to apply full attention to Scripture, Tradition, Reason, and Experience (and that includes the insights of contemporary science)."

Remember, much of contemporary science is just the opinions of fallible men. It is not without reason that it is spoken of as the best current understanding, tomorrow it might be different. And when it becomes different, you will have to change your theology. What you really mean is that you place your opinion as the authority and accept anything in Scripture that matches up to that.

6. "We realize that there is no “objective, one, right way” to interpret a passage – and we recognize that there is no reading of any text – including the Bible – that doesn’t involve interpretation. We also realize that each person interprets the text via their own personal experiences, education, upbringing, socio-political context, and more."

In other words you can make the Bible mean whatever you want.

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7. "We do our best to read the biblical texts in their original languages (Hebrew and koine Greek) – and consult scholars and others to assist us. We also tend to look at several English translations – and by no means limiting ourselves to the King James version – which, while the best English version in conveying the beautiful poetry of the original languages, is based upon inferior manuscripts."

That's pretty pointless when you are clearly manipulating the text to mean what you want it to mean. Indeed, why bother with the Bible at all?

8. "We consider the best available Biblical scholarship from those who study it academically and professionally (and they’re generally fellow Christians and/or Jews)."

And by best, it seems, you mean those who agree with you.

9. "We seek to read passages in context – within their chapter, within their book, within their genre, and within the over-arching thrust of the Bible."

Doesn't this conflict with your need to be the master, or is it that you manipulate the context to fit what you want it to mean.

10. "We seek to read the passages with consideration of the historical socio-political contexts, frequently of oppression, which they were written in."

This, of course, manipulates 9, above. What you mean is that you use all sorts of unproven ideas to modify what the text says so it suits you.

11. "We employ a hermeneutic of compassion, love, and justice. (Which Jesus utilized). A hermeneutic is “an interpretive lens” and intentional filter. The hermeneutic of love seeks to see the forest for the trees and that allows the spirit of the law to trump the letter of the law (which Jesus modeled[sic])."

And what hermeneutic was Jesus using when He said:

And then will I declare to them, I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.
(Matthew 7:23 [ESV])

And this is just a way of modifying the meaning to fit your prejudices.

12. "We also tend to employ a “canon within the canon” lens whereby we give greater weight and priority to certain texts over others. A canon is an officially established collection of books that are revered by a given community – for Protestants, that refers to the 66 books of the Bible. In my case, I give greatest weight to Mark, Luke, Matthew, John (in that order), certain letters that Paul actually wrote (as opposed to the Pastoral Epistles which he didn’t), the Prophets, and the Psalms. I interpret the other books of the Bible according to how they jibe and are in sync with these primary texts. Many progressive Christians refer to themselves as “Matthew 25 Christians” (referring to the test for who Jesus says is in or isn’t in the Kingdom by what they do or don’t do), “Sermon on the Mount Christians” (stressing their seeking to prioritize those teachings as central); or as “Red Letter Christians” (indicating that they give greatest weight to the words attributed to Jesus)."

So in other words, you place the books that say things you don't like low down on the list. What a dishonest way of reading the Bible.

13. "We also seek to allow “scripture to interpret scripture.” Here’s an example regarding how to interpret “the sin of Sodom”:
The Bible interprets itself regarding the story of Sodom in Ezekiel 16:49 “‘Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. 50 They were haughty and did detestable things before me. And Jesus himself supports the view that the sin of Sodom was their lack of hospitality and hesed (loving-kindness) in Matthew 10:9 “Do not get any gold or silver or copper to take with you in your belts— no bag for the journey or extra shirt or sandals or a staff, for the worker is worth his keep. Whatever town or village you enter, search there for some worthy person and stay at their house until you leave. As you enter the home, give it your greeting. If the home is deserving, let your peace rest on it; if it is not, let your peace return to you. If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet. Truly I tell you, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.”

And the result of Sodom's sin was that they were sliding down that slippery slope we see in Romans 1:18-32.

14. "We follow Jesus’ example in being willing to reject certain passages & theologies in the Bible and to affirm other ones. (He did it a lot)"

Really, would you like to give us an example?

15. "We do as much of the above as we can with fellow Christians in community with others. We avoid doing it solely as a solo endeavor. (We also tend to be open to doing this in community with Jews and Muslims, as fellow “people of the Book” whose insights are often invaluable)"

So you don't seek the opinions of those who love God, but rather look for people who agree with you, even unbelievers.

16. "We repeat these steps frequently as new information and scholarship comes in. Knowing that we will always find something that we hadn’t noticed before each time that we do this."

Know the way to make people convinced to be a Christian is to start burning the wicked people at the stake publicly like they used to do with the witches. People need to wake up from their demon fog. the 80% of the population that believes in God needs to start taking that other 20% doesn't and burning them at the stake I guarantee you that will put some belief in t real damn fast.

There is nothing as precious in the world as a forming baby in its mother's womb. In the Old Testament, if two men were fighting and a pregnant womb sustained an injury that hurt her unborn child, God required an eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth, in retribution (Exodus 21:22-25). If the child died, so did the two men! That is God's way of justice, capital punishment! That shows how much God respects life!!!

I love this dude! Help me more with full moon. The earth is in between the moon and the sun. So that the moon is furthest from the sun. Yet, the moon is full as a reflection. Yet, is that the reflection of the light that the earth emanates(for lack of a better word) by itself independent of the sun's light? If true, then earth must be a light giving body.

So then, what is light? It must be an electro magnetic wave and not a photon of magic unicorn dust! I do not belong to the Cult of Bombarding Particles. Nature must be waves interacting within a field and NOT particles
in bombardment!

Therefore, illumination is the truth and emittance is the lie!

There are two things I want to know. The vibration of light in full spectrum, and the vibration of sound in full spectrum beyond the obvious of ultraviolet, visible and infrared; and beyond subsonic, audible and ultrasonic.

Why? Because I am beginning to understand that sound and light vibration can effect magnetism but I don't know how?

If I can't understand the principles of diamagnetism and magnetism: I cannot understand dielectric and electric, capacitance, on and on etc and etc.

I will some day be able to understand this so that I can turn nature upside down. Then I will ask: "What's Up!"

(Responding to another member, who wrote: "When everything is racist, nothing is racist. And nothing is racist because the leftist obsession with race has nothing to do with black people. This use of racism or white supremacy exploits black people as props, but is actually only a thin pretext for the left to fight the wars that it wants to fight anyway."):

If the left cared about racism. it would condemn all racism, including racism against whites. But, it doesn't.

Racism is just a weapon to advance the left's agenda.

And, when all of the many problems facing blacks are blamed on racism rather than on self-destructive and irresponsible behavior, nothing ever changes.