Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s we talk about a woman that is fortunate she called her father before she called 911.. so climb aboard

Rob: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul: episode 341 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

Rob- I shot IDPA yesterday. I was shooting my single stack 1911 since I brought a friend along and he was shooting a similar gun. We had a stage that started with you sitting down tying your shoe when the buzzer went off. The stages included a good mix of movement, accuracy and speed. It was 96 degrees when we left the range, but I figured I’d better go play in the heat since I’m moving to Louisiana. I reserved a room for the Gun Rights Policy Conference which is in Phoenix on September 25, 26 and 27. I’ll join Bill Frady on Lock and Load Radio tomorrow morning.

John – Finally, I have some gun news! I spent yesterday with my friend Jeff at SilencerCo’s Quiet Riot Tour held in Franklinville, North Carolina. It was a chance to fire a number of firearms with a variety of suppressors. I shot everything from a suppressed Browning Buckmark .22 pistol to a Benelli shotgun with the Salvo suppressor. My impression is that SilencerCo did the the event which had about 200 attendees as both a promo for their suppressor and as an educational event to teach people about suppressors. I think my favorite was an AR-15 in .300 Blackout shooting subsonic ammo. It felt and sounded almost like you were firing a suppressed rimfire rifle.

Sean Sorrentino of the GunBlog Variety Cast was also there. We recorded a number of little spots for his podcast and did a wrap up with our impressions of the event and suppressors. Look for that to be released in the next two weeks or so.

Rob- a question

Rachel- No gun news this week. I’ve been watching 5 kids while their parents are out of the country. I believe my own life is worth protecting, but adding in a bunch of kids definitely raises the stakes and makes me work that much harder. That kind of responsibility makes me glad I already have solid habits of carrying a gun, being aware of surroundings, and thinking ahead to keep everyone safe.

Rob- that is a great attitude. thank you!

Gary- gun news

I am going to insert a live promo about upcoming training classes here.

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Seg 2- News

Paul- Lead Story – Lafayette Theater Shooting

Leading our news this week, unfortunately there has been another case of multiple murders in a gun free zone., this time in Lafayette Louisiana. On Thursday evening the 23rd a 59 year old psychopath started shooting people in a theater. Twenty minutes into a screening the gunman, who as usual we will not name here, opened fire in the Grand 16 theater in Lafayette. Unfortunately 2 women lost their lives and 9 other people were injured.

CNN is reporting that the killer bought his gun legally, however this cannot be the case. In the same story they state that the killer was the subject of a restraining order. That restraining order would disqualify the perpetrator from purchasing a gun under the Lautenberg Amendment that took effect in 1997. Also in 2008 the murderer was involuntarily committed to a mental institution “because he was a threat to himself and others”. This would further disqualify him from owning a firearm. In fact, according to the Columbus Georgia Ledger-Enquirer the murderer was denied a pistol permit in 2006. That said, the states may not have reported his mental health status and criminal record to the federal NICS system.

As we all expect by now, the theater where the shooting took place is a gun free zone. The theater management posted on their website that quote “Possession of firearms or weapons of any kind regardless of whether openly or concealed, with or without a permit” are prohibited.

That means this multiple victim murder was doubly impossible. A crazy person got a gun.. which is against the law.. and a person intent on murder broke the movie theater’s regulations.. the same regulations that disarmed honest movie goers.

That proves that gun control didn’t word, can’t work and will never work. Before any more restrictions are placed on firearms and firearms owners, we MUST look in to why those restrictions already in place are failing.

Discussion

Rob- Doing the same mistake over and over and expecting a different result is insane. When the gun haters keep telling us that gun-control is the answer, the fundamental question isn’t about gun control.. but about control.

John- Barack Obama says that US Gun Laws are His “Biggest Frustration”

Listener Anthony Lucafo sent us a story from BBC.com that summarizes thier interview with President Obama. the major quote from the story from Obama is “ You mentioned the issue of guns, that is an area where if you ask me where has been the one area where I feel that I’ve been most frustrated and most stymied it is the fact that the United States of America is the one advanced nation on earth in which we do not have sufficient common-sense, gun-safety laws. Even in the face of repeated mass killings.

And you know, if you look at the number of Americans killed since 9/11 by terrorism, it’s less than 100. If you look at the number that have been killed by gun violence, it’s in the tens of thousands. And for us not to be able to resolve that issue has been something that is distressing. But it is not something that I intend to stop working on in the remaining 18 months.”

Discussion – (I KNOW there are bound to be reactions to this one)

Rob- The list from the federal center for disease control has firearms way way down the list as cause of death- Heart disease, cancer, chronic lower respiratory diseases, accidents, stroke, Alzheimer’s, diabetes, influenza, pneumonia, and suicide are way more deadly. The number of accidents with firearms is 0.5 percent of all accidental deaths. For children it is about 1 percent.

Of those deaths by firearm, suicide are the vast majority. Looking around the world, and across the united states, the rate of suicide is independent of firearms ownership.

Rachel- We talked about the murder at two military recruiting offices that took place a few weeks ago. We thought that the order to disarm the military came from the president. It did, but each general officer can accept or reject that order. That means a general in charge of recruiting decided it was better for the general or admiral to risk his men’s’ lives than to oppose his president. That is sad, and certainly cause for the officer to be dismissed.

Representative Scott Rigell sent a letter Wednesday to Defense Secretary Ash Carter requesting that he end a Pentagon prohibition on military personnel carrying firearms to and from defense installations. He had 70 members of congress join him. The Virginia Beach Republican has argued that service members must be able to protect themselves in transit and at recruitment centers, noting the fatal shootings of four Marines and a sailor in Chattanooga, Tenn., last week. The letter asks Defense Secretary Carter to give base commanders the authority to allow service members to carry concealed weapons as long as they abide by state and local laws.

Rob- This is a little off-topic. We talked about citizens protecting the military, and that is happening across the country. I found examples from 12 states.

Rob- I was thinking about the attack in Chattanooga during a recent competition. Marines were attacked in their office by a civilian with a rifle. The defenders have a huge advantage. They know their surroundings. They out number the attacker and can wait for the attacker to come to them. The person is a fool or is lying if they say the Marines were doomed so it doesn’t matter if they were armed.

Gary- guns and ammo magazine came out with their best states for gun owners. Making lists is an easy article to write, and this list is different than their list of the best states for concealed carry. They weighed a number of factors including right-to-carry, right to own “black rifles”, presence of the Castle Doctrine, National Firearms Act prohibitions, and a catch-all miscellaneous column.

Counting up from the bottom, Washington DC, New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts and Hawaii were the worst states for gun owners.

Counting down from the top, Arizona, Vermont, Alaska and Utah were the best.

Paul – I think that this is a little skewed. South Dakota, Wyoming, Montana, and North Dakota all VERY gun friendly and weren’t very high up (yes my nose is bent a little bit out of shape.

Rachel- it’s almost impossible to rank states for gun friendliness since there are so many parameters.

Rob- You might remember a legal challenge to Washington State gun laws. That challenge was dismissed. The judge said the law was probably illegal and unenforceable, but no one had been arrested for it yet, so he let the law stand.

Ohio Carry won’t let that happen in Cleveland. Earlier this year, the Cleveland city council passed a series of anti-gun measures. These included establishing a gun registry similar to those used to track sex offenders. The city also required registering personal firearms and reporting lost and stolen guns to the police. Ohio Carry filed a lawsuit against the city citing violations of Ohio’s preemption laws. Ohio Carry plans an armed rally at Cleveland City Hall the day the ordinance goes into effect. They will conduct private party sales without informing the Cleveland Police Department.

Quote, “This event is to show the city of Cleveland and any other city in Ohio that we will not comply with illegal laws; that we will not be bullied into compliance for political agendas. This is our civic responsibility, and we will make our voices heard.” Ohio Carry said they would follow up any arrests at the rally with civil lawsuits.

Rachel- This is important. We’ve seen politicians bury us in selectively enforced laws and regulations. The pick the laws to enforce on their political opponents. We’ve seen open refusal to comply with firearms registration in Connecticut, New York, and now in Ohio.

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Paul- I guess they didn’t mean it after all. A temporary emergency gun ban was imposed by the City of Columbia South Carolina. They wanted to disarm protesters rallying around the State House after the state banned the Virginia battle flag.

The city council passed the local ordinance banning weapons within 250 feet of the state house. Penalties included a $500 fine and up to 30 days in jail.

State Attorney General Alan Wilson says the ban was an illegal encroachment on Second Amendment rights, and one the city had no power to pass in the first place. The city then repealed the ordinance.

Rob- There is nothing so permanent as a temporary government action. How much would the city have been fined for arresting someone under that ban?

Rachel- If you don’t want protesters, why not just ban banning flags?

John- Since we’re talking about pre-emption, we have some good news out of Alabama. Alabama Governor Robert Bentley said he ordered that signs banning weapons at Alabama rest stops be taken down. Alabama preemption law gives the legislature control over firearms regulations. Alabama department of transportation said they would remove the signs.

Rob- I wonder who whose idea it was to put the signs up?

The Alabama Department of Transportation said their regulation which reads, “No person other than a duly authorized law enforcement officer shall enter any Alabama Department of Transportation building with a firearm… without the written permission of the Director.”

This is the provision the agency used to justify the “no weapons allowed” signs at rest areas along Alabama’s interstates and highways.

Comment- It is hard to trust a bureaucrat when they always twist a law to suit their politics.

He also said it is time to “[increase] inspections” on gun shops and mandate that gun owners lock up their guns in their homes.

Martin O’Malley instituted new gun laws as governor of Maryland and as mayor of Baltimore. Crime went up after he signed license requirements for firearm owners, mandated training, background checks, bans on assault weapons, and a ban on “high capacity” ammunition magazines.

Rob- The usual record of an anti-rights politician.

Gary- Gun Quotes

Gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars. Unknown

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our interview of John Edeen and Jeff Knox.

Dr. Edeen, you wrote in your article on DRGO.us that the recent shootings in Chatanooga are not nessesarrily an isolated incident, and that they are part and parcel of the disarming of our military while stationed stateside. Can you talk a little bit about the article?

John E: I wrote this article because I was especially angered by the senseless murder of 4 marines and one sailor. I spent the better part of 10 years as a Navy physician and surgeon. Two years were spent on the USS Peleliu (LHA-5), an amphibious assault ship that transports marines to where they need to go and supports their mission. I have taken care of thousands of sailors and marines. This act of war was directed against our unarmed military personnel because of a policy enacted by President GHW Bush in 1992. This policy directs that all military personnel be unarmed except of Military Police and security personnel.

Rob- The end of the cold war and the peace dividend.

Since then, there have been several attacks against recruiting centers and military installations. In 2009, two Army recruiters in Little Rock, AR were attacked by a recent convert to Islam, one of them fatally. Later that year, 13 soldiers were killed and 32 wounded by a Muslim Army psychiatrist at Ft. Hood, TX. In 2013, 12 sailors were killed at the Washington Navy Yard by a man with a psychiatric history. There was also the case of a former marine, a recent convert to Islam, who opened fire on a Marine recruiting center in Chantilly, Va and a Coast Guard recruiting center in Woodbridge, Va. Between 2011 and 2015 several attacks were thwarted by law enforcement.

We know that gun free zones do not protect against mass murder, they are preferred targets. It is immoral and irresponsible to keep these killing zones in place. Military leadership needs to immediately remove the gun free zones and allow our Armed Forces to protect themselves. It turns out that there were two responsible people at the Reserve Center that day. Apparently, the commanding officer, LCDR Timothy White and one of the marines that was killed had personal sidearms and returned fire on the murderer. It is unknown whether any of that fire hit the terrorist, but it certainly altered the attack, possibly saving lives.

Also, several state governors have lifted the ban in their states and have begun arming Reservists while on duty. Bravo to them.

I want to thank listener Anthony Lucafo for emailing us a Fox News story, that story basically says that the pentagon isn’t listening. The major quote from the story by the Pentagon Press Secretary Peter Cook states”While we greatly appreciate the outpouring of support for our recruiters from the American public, we ask that individuals not stand guard at recruiting offices as it could adversely impact our mission, and potentially create unintended security risks.” Dr Edeen, would you care to comment about that quote?

John E.: This is more politically correct B.S. You must remember, Generals and Admirals are political animals. They don’t get to that level unless they have political savvy. We know that the current administration does not respect the Second Amendment and is willing to sacrifice lives in pursuit of their political ends. They have systematically forced out senior officer that do not share their political ideology. If they really wanted to support the mission of recruiting, they should allow the trained marines, sailors and soldiers to be armed and make sure they are trained in the use of sidearms. Most marines and soldiers are riflemen. If I were a potential recruit, I would be more impressed with a GYSGT in his dress blue uniform with all his medals and a sidearm strapped around his waist and an M-4 rifle at hand, rather than a recruiter with a military haircut and a civilian suit who is disarmed. The biggest unintended security risk is an Islamic terrorist left unopposed. I would rather risk an unintentional discharge of a weapon than an intentional attack.

rob- political solution to political problem. Call the general/admiral unfit for service.

DR EDEEN, ANY COMMENTS ON POLITICAL MOVES TO ALLOW CARRY IN TEXAS HOSPITALS??

John E.: Unfortunately, the Texas legislature session for 2015 has concluded. They were able to get several pro-rights bills signed into law, gun free zones in hospitals didn’t make it through the process. Representative Springer’s HR 695, which would have allowed Concealed Handgun License holders to carry in public hospital and required private hospitals that prohibited concealed carry to post armed security at each entrance, died in committee without public testimony. The next legislative session isn’t until 2017. We still have work to do on this front.

I’m looking forward to seeing you guys at the Cathy Jackson course in a few weeks. I will also be at GRPC in September. Paul, how are you doing on your campaign to fund the purchase of your sound equipment to stream GRPC live?

Rob- I understand that the ATF had plans to disarm these social security recipients.

The disarmed military members who have a payee. Now they are trying the same action with Social Security. If this passes, then anyone who receives government benefits would lose their right of armed self-defense if they have a payee.

Sebastian, the main reason I asked to to come on today was a post you had a few weeks ago titled “Again, They Are Coming For Your Guns” the post was about an Australian article stating how it was good and wholesome to take guns away, could you talk a bit about your post and the article it was talking about.

I also seen on your blog that you have a post up from Friday Titled “Derision of the ‘Good Guys With Guns’” It may be possible that there were 2 of the military who were attacked who did fight back with personally owned sidearms. The anti rights side is almost gleeful over the fact that they apparently did not stop the bad guy instantly. I want to read just a little bit of a quote from your post. You wrote “Aside from being highly disrespectful to the fallen Marine’s service and sacrifice, no one ever argued that a gun is a guarantee that you’ll prevail over a bad guy every time. “

One more post I want to talk about was one you posted on July 20th, In it you point out that Adam Weinstein in an article on The Trace thinks that the military shouldn’t be armed. I took a look at the article, and sure enough right in the subtitle “Most armed service members are not trained to neutralize active shooters, and putting more loaded guns in their hands creates its own risks.” These people really are living in a fantasy land aren’t they?

Rob- A young woman heard three men break into her home just after noon. She barricaded herself into a back room and called her dad. I don’t know what the police response time is in East New Orleans, Louisiana, but it is important that she called her dad before she called 911. Her dad was armed and he also knew who belonged in his home. He chased the three thieves out of his home at gunpoint. One of the thieves turned back toward the homeowner as he ran across the back yard. That is when the homeowner fired. The wounded thief jumped the fence, but collapsed on the street. He was arrested by police. They found stolen property in his pockets. The wounded thief was taken to the hospital. No charges have been filed against the homeowner.

Paul- We talked about the elderly needing to protect themselves. In this case, a man in his 50s entered a home in King County Washington. He attacked the owner’s room mate who was 65 years old.

The 70-year-old homeowner shot at the attacker. The homeowner told police that he fired five shots from his 9mm handgun, but was not sure if he had actually hit the man.

The 50 year old intruder used to live at that address. 15 minutes after the attack, a man called 911 saying he’d been shot. The wounded man was the assailant, and he’d been shot twice in the shoulder and upper torso. He was taken to Harborview Medical Center. He will be booked on assault charges when he is released. No charges have been filed against the 70-year-old homeowner.

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Listener e-mail discussion

John- Email from Tennessee Junior

First off, long time; first time:) thank you all for the time and effort put into the shows, they are quality and enjoyable.

Question 1: my edc sidearm is an M&P in 357 sig, I have a couple thousand rounds for it and try to train yearly, practice weekly and dry fire every day or two including drawstroke etc. Any suggestions on this caliber? And, is it time to bite the proverbial bullet and move to 9mm? The rounds are pretty pricey and nearly impossible to find locally, but I run across Internet deals reasonably often and shoot Speer lawman fmj and carry Speer gold dot jhp. Same point of impact in both so I try to stay with these. I do still have plenty of the ammunition as of now, but. …. the purchase was made when the Tennessee highway patrol moved to the caliber, and I do shoot it proficiently, yet the future is the concern. Also, I carry 2 extra mags for a total of 46 rounds, so capacity isn’t really of import in my humble opinion….

2nd, with the large scale mob style attacks perpetrated recently I’ve been considering a long gun such as my Wyndham AR to take with me in the work van. I am in the vehicle A LOT, traveling extensively, but concerns arise with storage of the proverbial”truck gun”in a work van. When taken in the past, the weapon has been in a locking case and the case is chained and locked to the vans supports and covered, but access is terribly slow and the access inconvenience is making this a problem. Any suggestions on this dilemma?

And finally, it’s time for a new gun belt. I’ve been utilizing a belt by better belt company when I got an old faithful holster a few years ago, the stitching is going away as I slide the double mag carrier etc. on it daily, who makes the best edc leather belt? I’m in business casual so the instructor belts etc won’t work, I must stick with a black leather belt for business camo, what say you? Pictures attached for reference etc.

Thanks in advance for any help you may provide, keep up the good fight.

TNJR. (“Tennessee Junior”)

Rob- 357 sig is a fine cartridge. It is a necked down 40 cal. Keep it if you like to shoot it.

Rachel- Don’t switch cartridges just because somebody disses yours. Shoot what you like. Also, there is no perfect cartridge. Choose what best fits your needs. Training on your gun is the most important; sounds like you’re doing a good job there.

I have a best friend, spotter and shooting partner who is taking a summer road trip this summer with his wife and and brother in law. The beginning and end to his trip I find to be ironically comical, as he is leaving our home state, Kansas, home of constitutional carry and ever improving freedom for our 2nd amendment rights and ending in California. Quite a change for our freedoms that we don’t agree with but nevertheless we must obey the laws of the land.

I have used my Legal heat app on my phone to see that our state has reciprocity in every state along is route with the exception of his end destination state. However I am having difficulty finding how he is to store and transport his firearm until he returns to the land of the free once again. I know the gun and ammo must be stored and locked separately while in a vehicle, but not if he must have it registered to bring it into the state. As well I am unsure if he is allowed to load and carry once at his in-laws home on private property or if it still must stay locked away. My initial response is to make excuses and send the in-laws a card but that is no longer an option.

I would appreciate any help you can provide and I am a huge fan of the information you provide that the other media outlets overlook, ignore and twist to meet their own agendas.

Rob- Hi, Austin. I’ve some references for you. The State of California Department of Justice Office of the Attorney General has a web page called Traveling with Firearms in California. Calguns also has a page on transporting firearms. Unfortunately, California allows local preemption, so there may be local laws that also apply. We have the links in our show notes. https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/travel, http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/Transporting

I wrote another post about citizens defending military recruiting centers.

I read the bloomberg propaganda after the movie shooting in Lafayette, Louisiana. I went back and read their old press releases after each shooting in a gun free zone. They sounded crazy to me so I wrote about them. These articles are up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland, and at my blog, slow facts dot word press dot com

When the gun prohibitionists put out a picture or new media announcement of a victory for their side, we need to take it was a grain of salt. A case in point was a picture from the Demanding Mommies thanking Academy Sports and Outdoors, a large big box store sporting goods chain, “for their gunsense”. It was part of their new “NoChecks, NoGuns” campaign which is aimed at convincing people that a delay in a NICS check should be the same as a denial. Academy Sports, as a matter of long-standing corporate policy, has only released firearms after an approval from the FBI. While we may disagree with it, it important to note that they didn’t do it as some sort of appeasement to the Bloomberg folks. It is, as I called it, a false victory.

You can find this post and others at onlygunsandmoney DOT blogspot DOT com.

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today. co-hosts, will you be with us next time? I’m looking forward to it. Until the next time…

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John – This week was taken up mostly with work. Nothing gun related except for blogging. Even though I had free time, I didn’t even practice dry firing. I’m a slug, what can I say. However, next weekend, I am going to demo day held by SilencerCo. It is part of their Quiet Riot Tour and we’ll get a chance to shoot a number of weapons including submachine guns and SBRs that have been suppressed.

I would also like to note with some sadness that one of my favorite podcasts has ridden off into the sunset. Of course I’m talking about the Gun Dudes. They have decided after 340 episodes to call it quits. I wish them the best.

Rachel- This week my shooting community was stunned by the sudden tragic passing of Michael Adam, also known as Scout. Michael was a long-time Appleseed Master Instructor and also the co-founder of Battle Road. He’s been a guest here on the podcast, talking about our history and heritage. He was one of the best people I’ve known, and he heavily influenced all his shooting students, not just in the world of shooting, but also in the way he saw them as people and gave them hope and light and encouragement that reached to the very depths of their souls.

I can’t even begin to describe the breadth and depth of his impact on those he came into contact with, both those from Texas and all over the US. I can only try to sum up briefly some of what he mean to me personally.

Michael Adam taught me to shoot; to be an instructor; to value, respect, and care for those around me; to work harder and go farther than I thought I ever could; to never stop learning.

He warmly welcomed everyone I brought out to Davilla for Appleseed and Battle Road courses with a rare kind of hospitality and care. He brought together a team I was honored to be a part of. He always had stories to share, always crazy ideas for another great Zombie Run obstacle that he’d try to get Mark to agree to smile emoticon, and always a heart bigger than I remembered the last time.

His sudden passing leaves an immense hole in many lives, and my life will not be the same without Scout around. But his life left a lasting impact on everyone around him, and my life is not the same because he was a part of it. For that, I am grateful.

Gary-

Anette-

Paul: New to me truck that I have for a few weeks. I am driving a Volvo, and it has enough room I can actually dry fire in the truck.

I am going to insert a live promo about upcoming training classes here.

(Ed levine is waiting on skype!)

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John reads

Service Member Shootings in Chattanooga The staff of the Polite Society Podcast would like to express our sincere condolences to the family and friends of the five Service members killed at the Navy Operations Support Center in Chattanooga, Tennessee. Godspeed Gunnery Sgt. Thomas J. Sullivan, Staff Sgt. David A. Wyatt, Sgt. Carson A. Holmquist, Lance Cpl. Squire K. Wells and Petty Officer 2nd Class Randall Smith. Rest in Peace. Well done.

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Our thoughts and prayers are also with the two men wounded in the attack. Another attack in this unacknowledged but escalating war on the United States.

The LA Times reported on Saturday morning that the Obama Administration will be proposing that Social Security recipients – retirees and those that are on disability – who need help managing their money will now be included in the FBI’s NICS check system as prohibited persons.

Given that there is no reliable way to identify those recipients who have mental conditions, Alzheimers, dementia, disabilities due to brain injuries, etc., the Social Security Administration is proposing to use the VA standard. This standard is that anyone who has trouble managing their own financial affairs and needs a fiduciary is a prohibited person and is reported to the FBI for inclusion into the NICS database. These people would be included in the category “mentally defective.”

Mental health professionals, advocates for the disabled, and people who support gun rights say this is not right. “Someone can be incapable of managing their funds but not be dangerous, violent or unsafe,” said Dr. Marc Rosen, a Yale psychiatrist who has studied how veterans with mental health problems manage their money. “They are very different determinations.”

Comment – John – I am furious over this. My mom died after suffering Alzheimers for years and now my mother in law is suffering from it. This proposal robs them and others of what shred of dignity they have left. As for stopping so-called “gun violence”, when was the last time you heard Grandma involved in a mass murder.

Comment- Rachel – I often encounter people who think measures like these are a great step forward. I can often change their minds simply by asking the question: who gets to decide who’s not allowed to have a gun, and what gives them that right?

Last week, Maine Governor Paul LePage signed constitutional carry into law. Maine is the eighth state that does not require a permit to carry concealed weapon. Constitutional carry applies to all non-prohibited persons over 21 years of age, or over 18 and in the military. Quoting one maine legislator, “You can open carry in Maine now. All this does is allow open carry gun owners to put on a jacket.”

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Gary- We have two pieces of good news to report from Oregon. First, the Oregon Supreme court said that law enforcement could not routinely ask if a citizen had a firearm on their person without probable cause. In this case, the citizen was stopped for J-walking. Concealed carriers in Oregon do not have a duty to inform a police officer when they are stopped.

The second news story is that the anti-gun Democrat House Majority Leader Val Hoyle will no longer face a recall. Pro-rights groups collected enough signatures to force Hoyle into a recall election, but the recall stopped when Hoyle announced she was leaving office. Well done Oregon gun owners. [We did this last week]

-Mayor Stephen Reed was indicted. The Mayor of Harrisburg, Pennsylvania was charged with hundreds of counts covering some 17 separate charges of of theft, bribery and fraud. Why would we cover the prosecution of a democrat mayor of Harrisburg, pennsylvania. Mayor Reed is a proud member of Bloomberg’s Mayors against illegal guns.. also known as illegal mayors against guns.

Reed used the former Harrisburg funding Authority as a political ATM and withdrew hundreds of thousands of dollars charged to “administrative fees.”

The Mayor bribed members of Harrisburg City Council to pass questionable city bonds.

The Mayor is also charged with taking funds from the city Parking Authority, the Civic Baseball Club and the city School District.

With a record like that, Mayor Reed could run for office in Chicago or Trenton.. once he gets out of prison.

–So far the decision as to whether Catholic churches in Chicago will open their doors to licensed concealed carry holders is left up to each church. The Catholic Conference of Illinois says it is studying the matter. Last week Chicago Archbishop Blase Cupich said he supports banning licensed concealed carry holder from entering his churches.

Quote “I know that in many dioceses there are policies that firearms are not permitted in churches, and I think that’s that’s only reasonable.. I surely would be supportive of not having any firearms in our churches.” close quote.

From what I read, a Catholic church in Chicago will open its doors to a criminal illegal alien, but turn away a licensed concealed carry holder. Hmm.

Comment – MDA of NJ is starting a Twitter campaign to get Pope Francis to endorse their campaign for “gunsense”.

Rob- Church liability?

-I wonder if Chicago Archbishop Cupich reads reports from John Lott’s Crime Prevention Research Center. Last week Dr. Lott summarized recent trends in concealed carry, and here is the news we can use.

-You know that concealed carry is growing in popularity. Since President Obama was elected, the number of concealed handgun permits has grown from just under 5 million to almost 13 million today.

-Not only that, but the rate of growth is increasing each year. Last year the number of permits grew by a record 15% , and this is while more states adopt constitutional carry and don’t require permits.

-The murder rate fell by 25 percent during that same period showing that our guns don’t cause crime.

-Today, the national average is that one out of 19 adults has a permit to carry.

-In five states the licensed carry rate is more common than one in ten adults.

-In ten states, a permit is no longer required to carry almost everywhere.

-The face of concealed carry is changing. Since 2007, permits for women have increased by 270% while permits have only grown by 156% for men.

Evidence suggests that permit holding by minorities is increasing more than twice as fast as for whites.

That is good news.

– As you would expect, the number of federal background checks set a new record in June.

Rachel- Gun Quotes-

Prohibiting the means of self-defense is clearly the same as prohibiting the right of self-defense. Unknown Author

You know what is really (screwed) up? That Michael Bloomberg and Shannon Watts have more firepower with them than the Marines had in Chattanooga.

Miguel Gonzalez

So what symbol of hate needs to come down in Chicago to stop the violence there?

Precision rifle is more of a sniper layout, magazine feed and uses optics.

Leupold mark 6 (3 to 18 power)

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wind (flags, mirage drift, near wind, far wind0

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Could you defend yourself as you sit in your car?

Our first story starts late at night in Nashville Tennessee. A 74 man had just gotten into his car when two teens robbed him. They took his cell phone and demanded he get out of his car. The elderly man climbed from his car.. and drew his concealed carry pistol. He shot one of the robbers but missed the second. The second robber ran. The elderly man held the wounded thief for police. Police are looking for the thief who took the man’s cell phone, but police already determined the shooting was in self-defense.

Do you think you’re ready for a gunfight?

Four men pulled up to a convenience store. The getaway driver stayed in the car while the other three put on masks, drew their guns and stormed into a Super K convenience store in Houston, Texas. The thieves grabbed a customer and used her as a human shield. The thieves demanded money from the clerk behind the counter. Then they beat the clerk when he did not comply fast enough. Another stove employee heard the robbery and walked into the store from the back room. He drew his handgun and shot two of the three thieves. All three fled to their waiting get-away car. The two wounded criminals later died in a local hospital. Police are still looking for one of the robbers. The clerk required stitches to the back of his head.

The store owner said most of the employees are armed because the store had already been robbed within the previous month. Are you ready to take on three armed men? This store owner didn’t have a choice.

Red Molly
A Tallahassee couple’s waking nightmare was a man outside their bedroom door screaming I’m gonna kill you! I’m gonna kill you! She grabbed a phone; he grabbed a gun. The gun got to the scene a lifetime quicker than the cops. The wide-eyed, frothing invader was only five feet from the homeowner when he fired. Struck in the chest, Jarod Clemons, 27, staggered out the smashed front door and back into the night, where he died.

Mr Clemons had had a busy night. It started with a hit of a new street drug Molly, a synthetic variant of Ecstasy cut with unknown substances. It involved jumping from his girlfriend’s moving car, seeking help in a police station, breaking out of an ambulance on the way to a hospital, terrorizing a neighborhood, and finally throwing a planter through the front door of the house where he met his end.

In the past year, ERs have seen a sharp increase in patients taking Molly. “Somebody who comes in on Molly is actively psychotic. They’re usually very combative.” said an ER physician. Our listeners should be aware of the growing threat of the many, new synthetic street drugs. The people they encounter may be impervious to pain, stronger, faster, more aggressive and far less rational than the ordinary criminal. This situation has reminded one cop of the bad old days of Angel Dust, only worse.

Man Stops a Firearm Robbery With Open Carry Weapon

“I was at the counter buying bullets with my cousin and I heard some loud bangs. I look up and they are just loading up weapons from the counter and then they run off and my instincts kicked in.” Joey Tapley followed the three robbers outside the store, pulled his open carry weapon and stopped one of the thieves. “I told him drop the gun man, mine is loaded, just drop the gun. We made eye contact for a second or two and he dropped two guns and ran,” Police later arrested the three teenagers and an unidentified woman.

Tapley carries a gun openly and says his effort wouldn’t have been possible without Governor Brownback’s approval of the open-carry law that took effect on July 1.

While we applaud the results of Tapley’s actions, we must point out that he took an awful lot upon himself. As no lives were being threatened, many self-defense instructors would advise the armed citizen not to get involved in these situation. The risks are huge. Things could have gone south very quickly, as they did in the following DGU:
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John- Customer Follows/ Shoots Robber
An early morning trip to a New Orleans gas station turned into a fight for survival for an armed citizen attempting to stop a robbery suspect. The thief got the stations cash as well as the man’s wallet. The victim went to his car, retrieved a firearm, and confronted the escaping robber. Shots were exchanged and the thief collapsed after running a few steps. The criminal is in critical condition and will be booked on two counts of armed robbery, possession of stolen property and possession of illegal narcotics if he survives.

Again in this instance, the armed citizen acted when there was no active threat to himself or others. He put his life, his future, his family and his finances all on the line. Many jurisdictions would not look kindly upon these actions. The man luckily survived the shootout. It’s unknown if he will have similar luck with the legal system.

For all of us that carry a firearm in public, it’s up to us to educate ourselves and decide in advance what we would do if we were confronted by a similar situation.

Vietnam Vet Shoots Robber
Sometimes, you just have to do what you have to do. A Vietnam Vet found himself in the proverbial box one afternoon. His trip to a Sycamore, Georgia gas station was altered with the words; “Put the money in the bag!” Don Rogers looked up and saw a man pointing a pistol at the clerk.

With another’s life and his own in obvious danger, Rogers acted. He pulled his CCW. “When I did, he looked over at me and turned my way and I fired a shot. And he grabbed his side and then I fired two more shots before he got out the door,” Rogers said.

A shaken Rogers related; “Well, I was hoping nothing like this would ever happen, but I was glad I had my weapon with me… I just did what I had to do.” The store clerk says Don Rogers may have saved his life. Turner County Sheriff Andy Hester observed; “These people that’ll go out and do this kind of stuff need to realize – it ain’t always gonna fare to their favor, just because they’re a predator.”

The predator and his female accomplice called 911 from three miles away. She’s in jail as an accessory to armed robbery, he’s in a Macon hospital in critical condition. A gas station clerk and Don Rogers are alive and well — he just did what he had to do.

A Robber’s Here, Daddy

Out of the mouths of babes… A three year old toddler startled his father with the words “A robber’s here, daddy.” Seconds later, the Eldorado, Ohio homeowner faced a masked, obscenity-shouting gunman. Forced to protect the five members of his family, the man shot once, hitting the intruder in the chest. Police found the robber unconscious in the home’s front hallway. He died at nearby hospital. The parents say they did not know the 22-year-old criminal.

I wrote about Taxing Washington State Politicians. The Seattle City Council wanted to tax law abiding gun owners because of the harm criminals do with guns. I proposed a new tax on all politicians because of the harm some politicians have done.

I have a second series of posts wrote about armed citizens standing guard outside military recruiting centers and armories. These articles are up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland, and at my blog, slow facts dot word press dot com

Everytown Moms for Illegal Mayors has started a campaign to get Cabela’s to not release firearms purchases after the three day period if the NICS check comes back as “delay/hold”. As I said in my blog post, has anyone from that organization ever bought a firearm at Cabela’s? I have and they have the most comprehensive process for gun sales I’ve ever seen. It is computerized, it involves double checking entries, and it involves managers. Moreover, according to the FBI itself, a person is assumed to be eligible to purchase a firearm unless they find a disqualifying factor. A delay or hold means the FBI wants to check a little deeper but they haven’t found a reason to deny the person. Under Federal law, after three days, the dealer is allowed to transfer the firearm. It is not an “incomplete check” as stated by the gun prohibitionists.

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We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is a big part of what you get to hear. look his blog up at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

Rob: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. I’d like to thank alexander roubian from the new Jersey second amendment society, Anette Wachter- the thirty call gal, and Ed Levian from dc carry for joining us today. co-hosts, will you be with us next time? I’m looking forward to it. Until the next time…

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Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonights show we will talk with Melody Lauer about Sheepdog Mommas.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about the gun used in a California shooting that was stolen… from a federal agent.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s a group of thugs try to break into a store that sells class 3 firearms, they made a big mistake.

I’m Natalie Foster, and we find out why background checks didn’t stop the AME church murderer. So climb aboard.

Rob: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul: episode 339 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

Rob- Eddie eagle, dry practice,

John – I spent a few hours today at the local gun show working the Grass Roots North Carolina booth. I think we signed up 5 new members. We also handed out an alert asking people to contact their NC State Senators. We are asking the Senate to restore the parts cut out of the gun rights bill that passed the NC house last month. Ending the pistol purchase permit system and making sure that docs cannot require you to answer written questionnaires on gun ownership were key parts of the omnibus bill.

Doc Wesson and I are working to organize a 2-3 day training class in the Greensboro area of North Carolina this fall. A date has not been set. It will feature Grant Cunningham and Paul Carlson. There will be a segment on defensive handgun use, defensive revolver, and possibly one day on carbines. If you are interested, see the show notes for contact info for me and Doc.

Other than that, I’d like to ask listeners to keep my mother in law Grace in their thoughts and prayers. She is moving from a rehab facility to a nursing home this coming week. Barb will be leaving in the morning for St. Louis to help with the move. (John – If your wife needs anything, be sure to give me a call. Dan)

Paul- Busy week. Lots of running, we record this one on Saturday evening and I need to leave again Sunday morning. I usually run Monday through Friday, with an occasional Saturday morning. My boss needs me to fill in on running nationally again for a few weeks so I might need to take a few weeks off from the show. I will stick my head in if I can, but no guarantees. I have a GREAT team around me and I know if I cannot make it in they will do a good job.

I am going to insert a live promo about upcoming training classes here.

The first 2 stories are related to the failure of background checks. 1 they never would have been utilized 2 they failed, we could mention something in the throw to Susan.

Kathryn Steinle’s Killer Used a Federal Agent’s Gun

It now looks like the government that enabled Kathryn Steinle’s killer to be on that San Francisco pier — also armed him. This adds a bitter, ironic twist to an already tragic event. Leaked information has tied the .40 caliber Glock murder weapon to a Bureau of Land Management Ranger. The Ranger was in San Francisco on official business when his automobile was burglarized. The police did not start an investigation on the gun theft until after Steinle’s murder. The Bureau of Land Management is coordinating with the San Francisco Police, but there is very little official information at this time. Why the wildland agent was in San Francisco and why the pistol was left unattended have not been disclosed.

The Steinle murder has ignited a firestorm over immigration policy, sanctuary cities, lax sentencing, parole and recidivism. Police, Sheriffs, ICE bureaucrats, city officials and politicians are desperately trying to smear one another. Predictably, San Francisco Representative, House Minority Leader and sanctuary city supporter Nancy Pelosi wasted no time before once again demanding more gun control. She opined that Congress has a moral responsibility to act. Unfortunately, that moral responsibility does not seem to extend to the wholesale violations of the country’s laws.

Obama’s White House has been largely silent on Kathryn Steinle’s killing, her illegal alien murderer, and the serious problems of sanctuary cities and current immigration policy.

FBI Director James B. Comey admitted that the FBI’s NICS system failed and allowed the Charleston Emanuel AME church murderer to buy his firearm over the counter. The breakdown resulted from several FBI and local law enforcement errors. There were failures in the human component as well as the design of the NICS database. Comey has ordered a 30-day review of procedures and processes that led to the failure. FBI agents in South Carolina have met with the victim’s families to explain.

The killer’s admission to a felony drug crime should have been noted in the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS). That admission should have red-flagged the killer’s application. According to Comey, information had been incorrectly entered in into the FBI’s databases. In addition, South Carolina law enforcement agencies confused the situation or did not respond in a timely manner. “It’s not clear why that happened,” Comey said of the errors, “but it made a big difference.” As a result of the “highly improbable“ bureaucratic errors, the killer’s NICS check did not reject him, and he walked out of the gun store with a pistol.

The failure is worrisome, as the $100 million a year system failed to do what it needed to do. There is a growing body of evidence that the NICS system actually catches very few criminals, who normally get their weapons from uncontrolled back-alley purchases. In a prior year, only 11 criminals were successfully prosecuted through the NICS system. That’s about $9 Mil per conviction. One hundred million could pay for a lot of cops on the street, doing a lot more to fight crime. Instead of giving the gun-control community pause, these shortfalls have only resulted in more strident calls for gun-control, including every gun sale to go through the NICS system.

It is heartbreaking to realize that the nine AME parishioners in essence relied upon the false security of the NICS check at the cost of their lives. They believed the failed gun-control measures would keep them safe. Safe from the very evil they knew existed.

Brian Fletcher mobilized his crew to help repair cell phone tower damage in Trenton, New Jersey. He left his North Carolina home in less than an hour, responding to an emergency plea from New Jersey. There, he was approached by a police officer. Fletcher handed over his ID and as a good North Carolina citizen, naturally informed the cop that he had his CCW in his work truck.

Ignoring Fletcher’s critical disaster relief work and NC CCW permit, the cop arrested and charged him for carrying a firearm, a Class 2 felony in the Garbage State. We now think that if a New Jersey cop approaches, you should only give him your name, rank and serial number, as you are in enemy territory.

Fletcher is now at home in North Carolina, free on a $25,000 dollar bond. His lawyer is trying for pre-trial intervention and hoping for a pardon. We wish NJ governor Christie would shake off his food coma and do the right thing. We hope he immediately frees an innocent man, rather than waiting for the right time in his presidential campaign. And big guy, fix your damn state’s insane gun laws NOW, or you can choke on your overfed political ambitions.

Rob- pro tip- check your luggage and pants cuffs!

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Backdoor Gun Restrictions In Denver

Gun restrictions can come from a variety of directions. Thanks to some fine investigational work by our own John Richardson, we now know that the City of Denver has modified the International Fire Code to limit the amount of small arms cartridges in a residence to 10,000. This Denver specific amendment was first instituted in 2008 with little notice. NSSF tests have shown that modern firearm cartridges in any amount are no danger in a fire. The IFC does contain a limit of 10,000 primers; which is reasonable, as primers are explosive in bulk.

It is not known why Denver made the nonsensical amendment. However, our Denver listeners might just want to inquire – loudly. Other listeners might want to keep an eye on their local Building Code bureaucrats.

In the show notes we have the text of Denver’s amendment.

SECTION 3306 (2008)

SMALL ARMS AMMUNITION

Add Section 3306.4.3 as follows:

3306.4.3 Small arms cartridges. No more than 10,000 small arms cartridges shall be stored in any Group R (Residential) occupancy

John – I am still trying to find out if the Denver addition is part of the 2015 revision of the IFC. Many cities adopt the IFC in its totality into their own building codes.

The power to tax is the power to destroy. That seems to be what Seattle City Council President Tim Burgess is about with his proposed $25 per firearm and 5 cents per round of ammunition tax. It should be obvious, even to a politician, that people will just go outside the Seattle limits to make their firearm and ammo purchases. City gun stores would suffer and close, making it more difficult for residents to exercise their Second Amendment Rights, which is likely the real intent.

Burgess justifies his sin tax with the old refrain of gun violence expense. No mention was made of the expense that could come with NOT having a gun. Any tax revenues would be used to fund gun violence prevention programs. Historically, these programs have largely been ineffective boon-doggles.

The NSSF and Alan Gotlieb are already planning their Seattle lawsuits. Larry Keane of the NSSF said “The NSSF will vigorously oppose this misguided attempt to blame the lawful and regulated commerce in firearm and ammunition products for the violent acts of criminal,”

Alan Gottlieb said “It looks like we will get to sue Seattle again and notch another win,” “We have already sued them under the Washington preemption law and won before. They make winning firearms freedom one lawsuit at a time fun!”

We wish Alan Gotlieb all the fun he can handle!

Rob- The city council said guns cause problems, so gun owners should pay. Are the police immune from these taxes? I want to tax the politicians for all the unemployment they cause?

Drive to Recall Oregon Democratic Leader Ends as She Will Step Down

A move to recall Democratic House Majority Leader Val Hoyle over gun control legislation was halted when the lawmaker announced she was stepping down. Hoyle announced that she was leaving her House leadership position and will focus “on getting out of the building.

The petition drive had collected enough signatures to force a recall. However, a complaint had been filed challenging the petition circulation as improper. Given the expense of fighting the allegation, and that the recall has largely met its desired goals, the Hoyle recall was ended to focus resources on the recall of two other anti-gun legislators. Oregon!!!!

Lynne Russell Opens Fire at the Chattering Class – Also emailed in by Anthony L

Lynne Russell is rapidly become the Poster Girl of many gunnies. Relieved that her hero husband will survive his five gunshot wounds, she has turned her guns on the chattering class that’s making much of the Motel 6 shoot-out.

“The United States of America is a great country. You can debate absolutely anything, whether or not it has merit, and whether or not it’s any of your business. But guns? There’s nothing to debate. Throw out all the numbers and expert opinions. I’ve got your expert right here, and it’s called EXPERIENCE.

Now, ask me how I feel about the Right to Bear Arms. Here’s the truth:

Criminals will always have guns, this is not about them.

Americans have a constitutional right to bear arms. Humans have a right to defend themselves. If we didn’t have the Second Amendment, we would create it.

You can’t control everything; but if it makes you feel better, go with a simple law preventing violent offenders from buying firearms. Make it “violent” offenders rather than “white collar” offenders, or most of Capitol Hill won’t be allowed to own them.

Get a gun, get legal, be responsible, trust yourself. Don’t trust yourself? Then don’t carry. But for God’s sake then, shut the (fudge) up about it, because that’s where your involvement ends.”

All we can say is: You GO Girl!

Cuomo Shelves Background Checks On Ammo Purchase

In one of those Friday afternoon news dumps that politicians hope you miss, New York State and its anti-gun governor Andrew Cuomo have decided to suspend the requirement for background checks for ammunition purchases. While Cuomo made these background checks a key part of his NY SAFE Act, he ordered a key aide to sign a memorandum of understanding with the State Senate Majority Leader, Republican James J. Flanagan suspending the checks. The memorandum citing “the lack of adequate technology,” said the database “cannot be established and/or function in the manner originally intended at this time.”

In other words, Cuomo finally realized that trying to do background checks on a box of .22 LR was a boondoggle that wasn’t going to work. Democrats in the State Assembly and Senate criticized the move calling it “an ill-advised end run around the Legislature and the Safe Act.”

Natalie foster- Gun Quotes – “I’m not a “CCWer”, I’m not an “OCer”. I’m not in your Jets or your Sharks. I’m not a Sheepdog. My gun has less emotional freight or symbolic significance to me than my watch and only slightly more than my shoes. It’s a thing I carry around so that, should the necessity of fool-shooting be forced upon me, I will have something with which to shoot said fools.” — Tamara Keel

Despite recent success, when faced with explaining a bloody 4th of July weekend, Chicago Police Superintendent Garry McCarthy knew just who to blame – the law-abiding gun owner. “It’s real simple,” he said, “Gun possessors are potential murderers. If they don’t learn a lesson for carrying the gun, they keep carrying the gun. They get into an argument, now instead of fighting, they shoot.” McCarthy said there need to be stricter gun laws and blamed “the gun lobby” for the lack of political motivation to pass them.

All this was said in light of a man with 45 criminal convictions, including a recent arrest for gun possession for which he only spent a single night in jail. That man, a high ranking gang member, was involved in a gang shoot-out that killed his son. McCarthy said the system failed the seven year old boy. We can clearly see that Chicago’s failed legal system desperately needs revising. The Second Amendment does not.

I think we all know who is simple.

Rob- Who is this cop calling a risk? licensed gun owners are more law abiding than the police?

Victim Selection Process Fail: Houston Gun Store

Two, perhaps three, criminals decided on an adventure at a Houston area gun stone. They were obviously planning on acquiring firearms without going through the NICS background check. What they didn’t plan on was the owner of the Class 3 Weapons gun store meeting them at the door. The owner fired his shotgun, killing one of the burglars. The other ran away, followed by a hail of pistol shots. That man is still on the loose.

This is the second time in recent memory that the gun store had been robbed. Several months ago a vehicle had been used to break through the store’s wall. Police are questioning the owner and have not indicated if he’ll face charges. The case is expected to be referred to the Houston Grand Jury. When asked about the robbery of a gun store, the police spokeswoman merely shrugged and said “It’s Houston.”

Rob- When does shooting at criminals become a competitive sport?

74 year old man with CCW shoots two teenage attackers

74-year-old Larry Dean Claybaker was getting into his car in Nashville when he was robbed by two teenage thugs. They took his cellphone and told him to get out of the car. That’s when Claybaker pulled a pistol from his pocket and fired one round at each suspect.

Keion Andreas Hayes, 17, was hit in the stomach. He was held at gunpoint until the police took him into custody. His accomplice ran away with Claybaker’s cell phone and has not been arrested. Hayes will likely face juvenile court after he is released from the hospital. Police said Claybaker will not be charged as he was legally carrying concealed and acted in self-defense.

Two young thugs against a 74 year old man… we think that is more than sufficient disparity of force. Well done, Larry, excuse me, Mr Claybaker.

Man Shoot Ex-Boyfriend

A tony, gated Maryland neighborhood was the scene of a shooting early Monday morning. The resident called 911 around 2:30 a.m. to report that he had just shot someone who was breaking into his home. Police found thirty year old Craig Ivan Corbin Jr. of Baltimore at the scene, killed trying to climb through a window. Police say the two individuals had a prior romantic relationship.

Police have not said if they will charge the resident.

Woman Shoots Abusive Boyfriend

Faced with a dangerously abusive boyfriend, a New Orleans woman retrieved her gun and shot the man. Randy Johnson spent the Fourth brutally abusing, hitting, pinning and strangling his girlfriend. She broke up their relationship with a shot to his groin. (aaaaaaaaaaaaaa)

Johnson was hospitalized with a gunshot wound to his… err… Johnson. He was released from the hospital on July 5 and booked on one count of domestic abuse battery by strangulation.

The woman’s gun certainly made a difference In her life. It may have also made a difference in her attacker’s. However at this time, it is not known if Randy Johnson will be changing his name to Rhonda Johnson.

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Email from Lynn D

I love your podcast. Don’t change a thing. I like the relevance and the slight irreverence

That and other posts can be found at onlygunsandmoney DOT blogspot DOT com.

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is a big part of what you get to hear. look his blog up at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today. co-hosts, will you be with us next time? I’m looking forward to it. Until the next time…

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(DO NOT READ)The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes and it is called Podcast Box. They are located by our old name, Politics and guns. Hot links are in our show notes.

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonights show we talk with Anna Maria Hoffman from counter cultured.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about former California Sen. Leland Yee’s guilty plea to his arms smuggling charges.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s we talk about a former CNN anchor that is happy they don’t follow the CNN rhetoric on guns.

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and we’ll hear great news about Kansas that makes all of us Texans a bit jealous. So climb aboard.

Rob: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul: episode 338 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

Rob- Cleaned some guns. Dry practice. Bill Frady commented on one of my articles on his Lock and Load Radio program.

John – I’m baaack! What I thought was going to be a one week absence from the show turned into two weeks due to my mother-in-law suffering a fractured pelvis. She is on the mend and is in an acute rehab facility.

While I was gone I got to meet Charlie Foxtrot in person. We had a great time over lunch. I couldn’t thank him enough for all the help he has been to us on the podcast. As an aside – and Rob will be interested in this – Charlie has a really nice classic open cockpit sailboat.

Doc Wesson mentioned me on the last Gun Nation podcast. We are trying to get Grant Cunningham and Paul Carlson to a class in NC.

In gun related stuff, I presented my nephew with a Ruger 10/22 in stainless for his combined 18th birthday/HS graduation gift. The rifle was one that my late father-in-law had set aside for him. I just added a nice red dot sight on it. Grant was very excited to get it. I’ve also started to re-read John Ross’ classic book about the gun culture entitled Unintended Consequences.

Gary- Had a strange exception from FedEx on some ammo LuckyGunner.com was helpful with information about that. Helped some former students with their IL FCCL applications. Cleaning guns I have to put another 100 rounds through with no malfunctions before I switch over to the Para.

Rachel- Last weekend I instructed a ladies-only rifle marksmanship course at Battle Road. We set this up for some folks from A Girl & A Gun. They’re the best. I always love hanging out with those ladies. I knew it was going to be a great weekend when I was standing at the gate in the pouring rain to welcome them on the first morning, and they all came rolling in in their trucks and jeeps with big smiles on their faces, ready to work rain or shine. And we had a good deal of both! We instructors noted several differences with this line: lots of yoga mats, not so many shooting mats; almost all centerfires (mostly AR-15’s), carts for gear, and of course a different dynamic that comes with the female-only courses. Can’t wait to have the Girl & A Gun ladies out again for another shoot.

Meanwhile, we’re gearing up for more Battle Road courses this fall. There’s our Zombie Run on October 10, which is already around half-way full. Besides that, we’re looking at a precision rifle course to learn the math and science behind those sniper shots, some intro to firearms and self defense courses geared toward women, CHL classes, and as always, our normal tactical pistol and shotgun classes. I’d like to remind our listeners that we offer specialized courses tailored to your group, and we also love doing private courses. Let us know how we can help you out.

I’m also preparing for the 2-week girls’ camp that I lead, Academy 31. It is August 2-14 this year and I will be teaching firearms to all the girls who come.

Paul- I need to apologize to the listeners. I did not finish editing the show Sunday night before I HAD to get to bed, so took the laptop with me to go to work on Monday. I figured that I would get some time monday or Tuesday to finish editing the show and get it uploaded, yeah right. I did not finish it until Wednesday evening, and what was supposed to be a mid week show did not release until after I got home on Saturday.

I had a GREAT time shooting with friends on Saturday morning. We had 5 new shooters! Well almost, 2 of the 5 had shot before, but not for more than 5 years and so we counted them in as among the newbies. 3 of them actually took their first handgun shots yesterday. This has brought about a bit of a dilemma for me.

I was fortunate enough to be considered among the most trained handgun shooters in our informal gathering so it fell on to me to do a safety briefing and help the newer shooters out. I absolutely fell in love with helping them.

One thing that I have always asserted is that I am NOT a firearms instructor. I got involved with handgun shooting to protect myself and my family and started the podcast because I thought that I could help make a difference in the direction that our nation was headed. I don’t like to follow. One reason that it took over a year and a half for us to start doing DGU stories is that I didn’t want to do the same thing that The Gun Dudes and Cam Edwards did on their shows. In the same vein a LOT of podcast hosts are trainers, and again I have never wanted to follow the pack.

Now having said all that I am actually considering going through the steps to become an instructor. I truly loved helping out the new shooters take their first steps and would like to be able to do more of it.

I got a chance to put a few magazines worth of ammo through the H&K VP9 while I was at the range. Talk about a SWEET gun! I do not like the mag release on it, but that is about the only thing that I can say negative about the gun. On slow fire at 15 feet the group that I fired could have been covered by a half dollar coin. 15 feet rapid fire could have been covered by a dollar bill, one that had been cut in half. I don’t know how but H&K has defied the laws of physics, they made a lightweight full size double stack 9mm that has next to no recoil and feels great in your hand.

Kathy Jackson class coming to Sioux Falls on August 15th and 16th. We are extending the free handgun retention class for paid class members until July 10th. If you email Susan@politicsandguns.com to register and pay for your class by July 10th you get the 4 hour handgun retention class for free. this class is a $50 value.

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Anti-gun Cali Senator Yee Guilty of Corruption

California Senator Leland Yee has long been a thorn in the side of many of the state’s citizens. He was a San Francisco hard leftist, unrestrained free-spender, and a virulent anti-gunner even by California’s wild standards. He was given an A+ rating by the Brady Bunch and named to their Gun Violence Prevention Honor Roll. So, it was a bit of a surprise when the Feds arrested the powerful, well-connected politician for corruption and gun-running.

In an 88 page indictment, Yee was accused of providing automatic weapons and rocket propelled grenades to California’s extremely violent Chinese drug gangs. He was also accused of money laundering, murder-for-hire, and drug distribution.

This week, Yee and several confederates pled guilty to a single count of racketeering conspiracy. He could face a quarter million dollar fine and twenty years in prison. HIs primary criminal partner, tong leader Raymond “Shrimp Boy” Chow, was not part of the plea deal. Also not included were the gun-running, money laundering, murder-for-hire, and drug distribution charges. There’s hope that these charges are being deferred to assure Yee’s cooperation in a widening investigation of California’s endemic political corruption. It is also possible that these charges will be dismissed in a dysfunctional legal system.

We can only wish Leland Yee a long and healthy life behind the bars of a Federal maximum security prison. With lots of his political friends for company.

Kathryn Steinle, 32, was shot to death at a popular San Francisco tourist spot, a victim of political correctness as surely as if the elites themselves pulled the trigger. The man charged with her murder is a hardened thug, an illegal alien deported five times, and a criminal with seven felony convictions to his record, four of them involving narcotics. He was on parole for yet another crime. Francisco Sanchez, 45, is a reprehensible man, an evil man. Yet, he was allowed to traverse the border and country seemingly at will, stay here illegally, and largely avoid any significant punishment for his crimes. The first day of July, a man that should have been behind bars or a thousand miles away, took a gun he wasn’t allowed to have as a felon, in a city that is largely a gun-free zone, and went to a tourist attraction looking for someone to kill. There, without a word, he shot a random stranger through the heart.

Sanchez’ latest outrage started in March, when he was turned over to San Francisco police on an outstanding drug warrant by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement. ICE officials issued a detainer at that time, requesting notification prior to his release so arrangements could be made to take custody. However, ICE knew that San Francisco had declared itself a “sanctuary city” and that the request would not be honored. ICE effectively, cynically washed their hands of him. Sanchez was also in violation of his ongoing Texas parole. His legal status, his prior convictions, his parole violations didn’t matter: San Francisco released him on an unsuspecting public.

A few weeks later, Katy Steinle, a beautiful, vibrant young woman lay dying in a pool of her own blood, begging her distraught father to help her.

There can be no better – or worse – reason why we fight for our Second Amendment Rights. No greater proof of why we must be our own first responders. We. Are. On. Our. Own. We cannot afford to do otherwise. Not when our own governments favor criminals over the law abiding. Not when feel-good sentiments trump reason and justice. Not when our governments seek to remove our most effective means of self-defense against the evil they nurture.

TV News Crews Robbed at Gunpoint While Filming Story of San Francisco Pier Shooting

Further illustrating just how well San Francisco’s draconian anti-gun policies are working; several TV news crews were robbed at gunpoint while filming the story of Kathryn Steinle’s shooting death at the San Francisco Embarcadero. Three males in dark clothing, one with dreadlocks, participated in the early morning attack. They drove a late-model BMW with aftermarket rims and no license plates. The armed attack resulted in several injuries and a significant loss of TV station property. This seem completely implausible, as San Francisco is almost entirely a gun-free zone.

It’s hard, okay – impossible, not to indulge in a bit of schadenfreude. The city’s media have long been eager supporters of Frisco’s many harsh and intrusive anti-gun laws. Law-abiding citizens find it difficult to legally possess a firearm for protection even within their own homes. The lawless find no impediment, as the TV news crews can testify. Our glee is somewhat tempered, as this event will undoubtedly lead to still more ineffective anti-gun proposals to limit the rights of the law-abiding. But, that’s life in Baghdad by the Bay.

Kansas is Now a Constitutional Carry State

As of July 1st, Kansas is a Constitutional Carry state! The recent NRA backed bill provided for permitless concealed carry became effective the first day of July. Kansas already enjoyed open carry.

Congratulations, Jayhawkers! You’ve made us proud!

Rachel: OK, NRA. You backed permitless carry for Kansas? What about Texas?

Break!

One in Three ‘Muricans Owns Guns

Columbia University recently published a study on gun ownership. Interestingly, the study was performed by an assistant professor of of epidemiology. That’s the science that studies the patterns, causes, and effects of disease conditions. Could it be… biased? Yet, the study found mostly positive results for gun owners. The study holds that one out of three Americans owns a gun. Ownership by state ranges from Alaska’s high of 61.7 percent to the lows of Delaware’s 5.2 percent. Most gun owners were white males 55 and above (guilty!) and the majority were married (Guilty and sentenced to life.)

Anti-gunners have claimed for years that rising gun sales, soaring concealed carry applications, and record breaking background check figures all indicate that gun ownership was shrinking. The 2014 General Social Survey study claimed that approximately 1 in 5 Americans owned a gun and that the number was diminishing.

None of the studies seem to take into account that Americans often refuse to admit to owning a gun when asked by an unrecognized voice on the telephone (Oh so guilty!)

‘Muricans Don’t Want Gun Control Discussed in 2016 Elections

A Suffolk University/USA TODAY survey finds that Americans do not want gun control to be a significant portion of the 2016 election discussions. The survey was performed just a week after the attack on the Charleston Emanuel AME church. 52 to 43% do not want further gun control discussions. Similarly, 56 to 40% do not believe expanded background checks would reduce mass shootings.

The Suffolk study comes months after the PEW study that found the majority of Americans supported gun rights rather than more gun control: 52 to 46%. The Suffolk study supports the PEW study and further confounds the challenges by Bloomberg and the Huffington Post.

You know, it’s a bit disconcerting, although nice, to be in the majority for a change. ;^)’

Chris P. Cream Christie Creates Panel to Delay Changes to NJ Gun Laws

Showing none of the aggressive, decisive behavior he’s known for around the buffet table, New Jersey Governor Chris Christie has created a panel to recommend possible changes to New Jersey gun laws. This is a rather transparent way of avoiding any of the substantive changes he could make to New Jersey’s abusive and unConstitutional gun laws. Christie is obviously feeling a little pressure in his ample hindquarters from the Carol Bowne killing. Her tragic death points a finger at New Jersey’s deliberate mishandling of the CCW permit process.

Show friend Frank Fiamingo of the New Jersey Second Amendment Society believes that Christie could write an executive order accepting self-defense as a justifiable need to carry arms. Christie could also address the unlawful delays in answering the request for a CCW.

Christie’s use of the advisory panel is just a way of providing cover while he attempts to position himself as a conservative presidential candidate. It is disingenuous in the extreme, disrespectful of the memory of Carol Bowne, and smacks of contempt for lawful gun owners and the Second Amendment. It will be a cold day in the fat farm before many gun owners vote for Christie. Choke on your overfed ambitions, big guy.

What to Do When Your Doctor Asks About Your Guns
Doctors for Responsible Gun Ownership (DR GO) is out with recommendations of what to do when your doctor asks about your guns. Surprisingly, they don’t recommend lying like a rug, but instead favor a graduated response ranging from a polite refusal to answer the questions to submitting a complaint to the doctor’s licensing board. It’s all very interesting reading, especially when the Feds have access to everyone’s medical records. The link can be found in the show notes.

damn lies and statistics

The tyrant Joseph Stalin famously said “Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything.” The same can be said of statistics when the United States murder rate is compared to other countries.

For example, England and Wales do not count murders in their statistic unless there’s a conviction. The U.S. could cut its murder statistics in half simply by adopting the same practice. That shows that country to country comparisons are hardly comparing apples with apples. What these statistics won’t show us is that the trend in homicide with a firearm have been going down in the US as gun ownership increased, and going up in Britain as they banned civilian ownership of handguns. Gun-related crime has doubled in England and Wales in the past ten years. While the armed homicide rate in the US dropped by 40 percent over the last 25 years.

Rachel- Posterity! You will never know, how much it cost the present Generation, to preserve your Freedom! I hope you will make a good Use of it. If you do not, I shall repent in Heaven, that I ever took half the Pains to preserve it. John Adams, second president of these United States.

Russell had left the hotel room to get something from her car. Tomorio Walton surprised Russell with a gun to the head and forced her back into the room, throwing her on the bed and demanding her valuables. de Caro emerged naked and dripping from the shower into that desperate scene. Russell relates; “The man was just wild. He was pointing the gun, and the way that he was acting, it was as if he’d done it before. I suddenly realized that it wouldn’t bother him at all to pull the trigger.” Fortunately, both Russell and de Capo were concealed carry permit holders and had their firearms in the motel room.
For a time, it looked like the thief would be content with de Caro’s briefcase. But he turned around and opened fire. “My husband returned fire. And he’s a better shot.” said Russell. Police reported that multiple rounds were fired by each man. de Caro was hit twice in the abdomen and once in the leg. However, he was indeed the better shot, as the assailant stopped his attack and staggered into the parking lot, where he died. de Caro was taken to an area hospital and is expected to make a complete recovery.

Many media outlets reported that Russell and de Caro had CCW permits. Although, the ever-partisan New York Times hid the the fact of their CCW permits in the story’s last paragraph. CNN conveniently forgot to mention that their former employees were legally carrying firearms. However, we will commend Russell and de Caro for recognizing that the Cable New Network’s anti-gun agitprop was and is the stuff of nonsense. Believing that idiocy can get you killed — on the street — or in a Motel 6.

One Dead, One Wounded, Five Saved in Las Vegas

Using the ol’ “My car is broken, can I use your phone?” ploy, a woman tricked a child into opening the front door of a Las Vegas home. Her armed accomplice rushed past Tiffany Carter, AKA Tarnesha Harris, who had forced the door and grabbed the child to silence him. Armed with a stolen pistol, Willie M. Pro ran down a hallway and kicked open the door of a bedroom.

That’s when their carefully planned home invasion was literally blown off the rails.

Behind Door Number One was Jesus Sanchez. Jesus was armed. Jesus! (You shouldn’t include the exclamation. It was too tempting for an itinerant wordsmith. ;^)’ ) Pro staggered back into the hallway, wounded. However, he still had his handgun, and with the child nearby and in danger, Sanchez fired another telling shot. The badly wounded suspect dropped his pistol, turned and ran toward his getaway vehicle.

The 12-year-old managed to get Harris’ hands from his mouth and scream for help. A mother’s instinct drove Sofia Velado from her bedroom. The obsessively-focused Harris ran into the room to steal Velado’s purse. Once back in the hallway, Harris struggled with Velador, forcing several shots by Sanchez. Finally breaking off her attack, the wounded Harris crawled to the car and escaped. But not before Sanchez fired a shot from an AK-47 at the fleeing felons.

Police arrived at the home several minutes later to find Sanchez outside, standing guard with his AK-47. Fortunately, he immediately followed the cops’ instructions and dropped the rifle. While evaluating the confusing scene, police received a call from a hospital about two people with multiple gunshot wounds. Willie M. Pro died from his wounds. Harris was flown to a trauma center in critical condition.

Tarnesha Harris will likely survive her gunshots. She has been booked for conspiracy, attempted murder, home invasion and robbery, all with a deadly weapon. She and her deceased accomplice were found to possess extensive criminal records, although relatively little punishment. Thanks to the actions of Jesus, the Velador family survived their hellish home-invasion.

There’s a lot to be learned from this chaotic self-defense situation: Never allow a door to be opened for a stranger. Have a weapon at the ready. Criminals may stick to their goals even when the stuffing has hit the fan. Pistols are not guaranteed stoppers. When you can, go for the long-gun. Follow the cops’ commands immediately. And when the criminals break off their attack and are no longer a threat, for dog’s sake, let them go. All that being said, we unreservedly commend Sanchez for his actions which saved the four other members of his family.

He saw Coleman still holding the gun on his grandmother. Sellers told Coleman to drop the firearm and when Coleman didn’t, shot him. Both Coleman and his grandmother were taken to Carolinas Medical Center where Coleman later died. His grandmother is expected to recover.

While the case is being reviewed by the Mecklenburg County District Attorney’s Office, North Carolina law allows you to intervene if someone’s life is being threatened.

Rob- Pro-tip- Don’t shoot your driver.

Alabama Home Invasion Goes Bad….For The Home Invaders

Two armed home invaders kicked in the door of a Tuscaloosa, Alabama apartment on Monday afternoon. This awoke the tenant who was sleeping in his second-floor apartment. Fortunately, he was able to arm himself with a handgun. The would-be victim shot one of the alleged burglars, and both suspects ran out of the apartment and jumped over the second floor railing trying to flee the scene.

Courtney Campbell, 24, died of his wounds in the parking lot of the complex. His accomplice, Marcus McCall, 25, broke several bones in his jump but was still able to drive away. The tenant immediately called police with a description of McCall and the getaway car. They stopped him less than a mile away. He was booked after treatment for his injuries at a local hospital.

McCall is charged with 1st Degree Burglary as well as Felony Murder. The murder charge comes because his accomplice died in the commission of the crime.

Police do not intend to charge the tenant. Alabama’s “stand your ground” law allows people to use deadly force against a burglar who is about to use deadly physical force. The head of the Tuscaloosa Homicide Unit said that both Campbell and McCall were armed and had covered their faces with a bandanna and a hoodie. He also also said the tenant appears to have known one of the home invaders.

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Last week I wrote an article about the fantasy of gun control. I said gun control advocates were crazy. This week I wrote about the reality of gun control and said gun control advocates were liars. The article is titled “Is That Common Sense Gun Control.. or More Spin?” I also reposted articles by Kurt Hofmann and Russell Smith. I recommend them.

My next article is about this golden age of self-defense instruction, and I’d like to thank Kathy Jackson for the sanity check, and thank Mark Richardson at the NRA for the statistics. You can find my articles at Ammoland, at Clash Daily, and on my blog at Slowfacts dot wordpress dot com.

We have talked about the efforts to recall NJ Senate President Stephen Sweeney a number of times. The effort caught the attention of the newspapers in New Jersey. As with most stories relating to gun control, they had to have a comment from the gun prohibitionists for “balance”. I think the guy that they quoted, Bryan Miller of Ceasefire NJ, must have had the taste of sour grapes in his mouth. He said that having 200 people at the NJ2AS event wasn’t “an impressive number”. Actually, I think he was jealous because the gun grabbers never get that many people at their events even when they pay them and bus them in.

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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

Rob- Went to the range and practiced. Spoke on Lock and Load radio with Bill Frady on Friday. Mentored a student at a first shots course for medical professionals. That taught me a few new tricks. My browning 22 pistol eats federal but not American Eagle.. which are made by the same company.

My Florida carry permit came in the mail.

Gary – Ordered Sherry’s Concealment Solutions holster and we did some reloading practice with speed loaders.

Paul – Did some more looking at campers this morning. not much gun related. been absorbing the news of the week. Looking at ordering a new belt for Susan to use at the Kathy Jackson class.

Rob- Did you consider Jason’s belts?

There are 2 things that I want to address before we go off into the news segment, although they both are technically news that relate to guns.

First is the statement by the pope that came out just about the time we were supposed to go to air last week and so we weren’t able to properly vett the story to make sure that it was a real story. It was a real story.

I was born and raised in the Catholic church. I now consider myself a Christian not connected to any particular church. I believe in the bible and not what people have inserted as “doctrine” I would like to read some of the pope’s comments as reported on Ammoland.com

Pope Francis spoke with a group of young people at a rally of thousands at the end of the first day of his trip to the Italian city of Turin.

Francis started by attacking the Right to Keep and Bear Arms as well as accusing the allies during World War Two of being complicit in the killing of Jews, Christians and homosexuals.

Francis issued his toughest condemnation to date of the weapons industry, saying.

“If you trust only men you have lost,” he told the young people in a long, rambling talk about war, trust and politics after putting aside his prepared address.

“It makes me think of … people, managers, businessmen who call themselves Christian and they manufacture weapons. That leads to a bit a distrust, doesn’t it?” he said to applause.

He also criticized those who invest in weapons industries (gun owners), saying “duplicity is the currency of today … they say one thing and do another.”

Francis also built on comments he has made in the past about events during the first and second world wars.

He spoke of the “tragedy of the Shoah,” using the Hebrew term for the Holocaust.

“The great powers had the pictures of the railway lines that brought the trains to the concentration camps like Auschwitz to kill Jews, Christians, homosexuals, everybody. Why didn’t they bomb (the railway lines)? (end of ammoland story)

There is something that I believe his holiness has forgotten, that evil does exist in the world. Edmund Burke is quoted as saying “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” The pope seems to be like the liberals who are at work right here in America, he thinks that if we click our heels three time and say there is no place like home that everything will be alright.

Ladies and gentlemen, everything will not be alright. American, and indeed world history is replete with examples of disarmament leads to slavery or even worse death.

I am sorry that a man (and the pope is a man) is in charge of the catholic church that I grew up in and had a great deal of respect for. Popes are supposed to serve a lifetime, I will never wish ill on any human, however I can only hope that this man decides like his predecessor that the papacy is too much for him and retire early. I would like to say to my fellow Christians to pray like it depends on God and prepare like it depends on you.

The armory of the Swiss Guard who protect the Vatican.

Secondly there was a major ruling from the Supreme court late in the week that proclaimed through the 14th amendment that all states must allow gay marriage. What does this have to do with guns? Well there are many that are saying that with the language in the ruling that the 14th amendment would also require a concealed carry permit issued in one state to be accepted by all. And I have to say that there are strong arguments for this. I would like to caution our listeners strongly, that right now that is a THEORY, not tested in court. I will not be the test case, I encourage you not to as well. The SAF is tuning up right now to introduce lawsuits to that effect.

I am going to insert a live promo about upcoming training classes here.

Two Tampa Bay Florida real estate agents were robbed at gunpoint this month. One was shackled at her hands and feet while the attacker made ransom demands to the victim’s husband. Police admit that agents have a dangerous job. St. Petersburg police Chief Tony Holloway said real estate agents, particularly women, should not arm themselves because the criminal would only take their gun and use it against them.

Paul- Wait a minute. Female agents are the same as any other women in their ability to defend themselves.

Rob- Maybe Florida laws are different. I have a Florida carry license instructor to talk with us.

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Dramatic Rise in Crime After UK Ban Guns

The blog Extrano’s Alley has an interesting analysis of the increase in violent crime after the UK’s total ban on handguns and severe restriction on all other firearms. The ban was a knee-jerk reaction to their Dunblane massacre. It is certainly interesting reading in light of the efforts attempting to capitalize on the Charleston tragedy. The link can be found in our show notes.

NY State Residents Disobeying Cuomo’s Registration Scheme

“One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws.” From his cell in the Birmingham jail, Martin Luther King, Jr. wrote those words that are being taken to heart by New York State residents. Only 24 thousand of New York State’s 20 million residents have registered their so-called assault weapons since Cuomo’s SAFE act took effect in 2013. Less than 45 thousand rifles have been registered. Law enforcement estimates there are 1 million assault weapons in the state. The citizens are engaging in civil disobedience even though failure to register is a felony, punishable by up to four years in prison.

Cuomo rammed his SAFE Act though the legislature weeks after the Sandy Hook tragedy. The act was an anti-gun activist’s dream: a ban on high-capacity magazines, universal background checks, stolen gun reporting, safe storage, mental health provisions, warrantless firearm seizures, ammunition sales checks, as well as the key registration requirement. Tellingly, NONE of the provisions, even if followed exactly by the madman, would have prevented the shooting at Sandy Hook.

“Many people have been calling for a full repeal of the SAFE Act. It would appear the people have just bypassed the legislature and simply repealed it on their own,” said Tom King, of the New York State Rifle and Pistol Association. Communities and LEOs outside of New York City seem to be ignoring or openly challenging the Governor’s draconian law.

While we cannot tell New York’s residents to resist this unjust law – that would be illeeeeeeegal – we can certainly applaud the State’s residents who are adhering to Thomas Jefferson’s words; “If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so.”

Rob- 950 THOUSAND New York gun owners told the Governor to shove it. Cuomo is only the Governor of Albany and New York city, but not the rest of the state.More Anti-Gun Stupidity

Leading Democrat adviser Bob Shrum led with his tongue when he opined that the Emanuel shooting would have been a “horror” if the black parishioners were armed. On MSNBC’s The Ed Show, Shrum said QUOTE “I cannot imagine the horror that could have occurred if people were sitting around with concealed weapons, this thing started, and you have a full-scale gunfight.” END QUOTE

The mind boggles. Experience shows that resisting a madman significantly decreases the death toll. Even if unsuccessful, the nine still would have died. And the concealed carrier would have died on their feet, rather than on their knees.

Taking Shrum at his word, the advisor to Teddy Kennedy, Carter, Gore and Kerry would rather see the parishioners completely disarmed, defenseless and good little victims, rather than fighting for their lives. As insane as this sounds, this IS one of the anti’s core beliefs. They believe that it is somehow morally preferable to be the victim, rather than acting in self-defense. As rational beings, we absolutely reject this dehumanizing belief.

Rob- Gun prohibition is a superstition, and the anti-rights advocates live in a fantasy world.

Bill to Restrict Home Assembled Firearms Proposed Another in our Cavalcade of Legislative Stupidity, this one somehow not authored by Carolyn Maloney, is the Home-Assembled Firearms Restriction Act of 2015. This bill would prohibit of the sale of certain firearm receiver castings or blanks, assault weapon parts kits, and machine gun parts kits (what?) and prohibit the marketing of the items on any medium of electronic communications. The parts would be banned as hazardous products under the Consumer Product Safety Act. Enforcement would come via the Federal Trade Commission. It would eliminate the home hobbyist who assembles a completely legal firearm out of commercially available parts.

The bill mentions semi-automatic rifles and semi-automatic pistols, and is an unique thrust in the effort to disarm Americans. Our response should be the same. However, the amount of tar and feathers involved would certainly be an environmental disaster. HR- 376

Collectible Firearms Protection Act.

Not all legislation sinks to the level of Carolyn Maloney or Mario Cuomo. Cynthia Lummis (R-Wyo.) recently introduced H.R. 2611, the “Collectible Firearms Protection Act.” This bill would reverse the Obama/ Kerry State Department’s decision blocking the reimportation of M1 Garands and M1 Carbines from South Korea. The completely legal firearms would then be sold commercially to the American people. The Obama administration also opposes legislation to allow the CMP to sell the Army’s excess 1911s. All these firearms were paid for by the American taxpayer, and we would like to remind our rulers that we own them.

You can contact your U.S. Representative to support this legislation by using the NRA/ILA’s “Write Your Lawmakers” tool or calling (202) 224-3121. You can also register your opinion at Popvox.com

Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker To Sign Two Bills Expanding Gun Rights

In a clear victory for gun-rights advocates, Wisconsin governor Scott Walker signed bills to eliminate the state’s 48-hour waiting period for gun purchases and to allow off-duty police officers to carry concealed weapons on public school grounds.

Congratulations Cheese-Heads!

Rob- Let me get this right. The school staff would call the police if the school was attacked. They call the police because the police carry guns and could stop the attack. Somehow, this bill was considered a great act of political courage to allow the police to carry their guns in school before the attack? This is not a moment for congratulations but for shame. I want to find the idiot politician who told the police they could not go armed in our public schools.

(Denver, Colorado) – In yet another decision that thumbs its nose at the Supreme Court’s landmark D.C. v. Heller and McDonald v. Chicago rulings, the Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals held today that the Second Amendment does not protect gun rights outside of one’s home. The case, Bonidy v. United States Postal Service, challenged the statute (39 C.F.R. § 232.1(l),) which prohibits the storage and carriage of firearms on USPS property. The district court decision found that the law was unconstitutional as applied to its prohibition on guns in parking lots, but not the ban on carry inside government buildings.

Gary – As I was reading this my thought was what about the people that are walking to all prohibited locations. Don’t they have the right to self-defense?

Gun Quotes No Kingdom can be secured otherwise than by arming the people. The possession of arms is the distinction between a freeman and a slave. James Burgh

“The possession, carrying and use of firearms require not only training and skill, but intelligence and responsibility. When persons act with deficiency in intelligence and responsibility, it can be both dangerous and unlawful.” Police Chief Leonard Papania of Gulfport, MS said.

Doug Ritter is Chairman and Executive Director of knife rights. Welcome back to the show, Doug. Knife rights are never safe when the legislature is in session. You’ve had some wonderful successes this year. Please tell our listeners about them.

Maine, Nevada, Oklahoma, Texas pre-emption.

Knife with a CCW, so you could carry a gun.. but not a knife in Illinois?

Work to do in New York, even when republicans did not support a pro-knife bill. Massachusetts, New Jersey,

You’ve studied violence in Churches. You were on the scene for a violent attack in the lobby of Focus on the Family. You also were working at the New Life Church in Colorado Springs when it was attacked. Since then you’ve kept an exhaustive list of violent attacks that occur on church property.

Tell us about the path a church takes to address physical security. What are the steps to success? I’m guessing the subject gets brought to the church board or leadership team. What happens next?

Is an active defense similar to concerns the church already faces such as medical first responders and physical security?

The church leadership gathers information to understand the problem?

They select staff to address it?

Staff brings them a proposal?

Outside training?

On site training?

Ongoing recruitment?

What does the church have to do to succeed long term?

I was at a large local church, and to put one security person behind each gathering would take 20 volunteers. What about the men’s group that meets mid week? The new mom’s group? A successful church is filled with life all the time. That means you need volunteers from every group.

We’ve had almost a thousand attacks on churches in the last 5 years. To me that is a wake up call. Talk about the pastors and leadership teams who won’t address security. What excuses do they use to justify inaction?

Why do security teams fail long term?

Dan Roberts-

New Jersey Senator Steve Sweeney faces a well deserved recall drive that started yesterday. An hour after the New Jersey Second Amendment Society announced where they would rally to start the recall, the venue owner called them up and cancelled on them. They had that venue and date reserved for the last two months. Several other venues refused the group fearing political retribution from the democrat controlled bureaucrats.

350 people showed up to collect signatures. It was raining on the signature gatherers as they went house to house. Many homes were empty since the power has been out in some areas for several days. Surprisingly, some union members and government employees were eager to sign the recall while anyone who needed a permit to operate their business refused to sign. About a quarter of the people on the list signed the petition to recall Senator Sweeney.

“When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.” and New Jersey citizens are afraid of their government.

Segment 4 DGUs

Domino’s Driver Shoots Assailant Just after midnight, a Hollywood, Florida Domino’s driver was forced to defend his life with a firearm. Two men attacked the driver in a robbery attempt. The driver pulled his gun and fired six shots at the men, killing one of them. Breitbart News reports that at least eight Domino’s drivers had been shot–three of those killed–since the start of 2012. Many more have been assaulted, kidnapped or raped.

Domino’s Pizza will not comment on the ongoing investigation. Domino’s continues their policy of barring drivers from being armed for self-defense. We continue to feel there are other pizza restaurants.

Benihana Shoot-Out The North Dallas Benihana’s parking lot was the scene of an armed robbery and shootout this week. Two people were leaving the upscale Japanese restaurant when they were approached by a man asking for a lighter. The man then slipped on a mask and pulled a gun from his waistband. A victim retrieved his firearm from his vehicle and six to eight shots were exchanged. The robber was pronounced dead at an area hospital, the victim is in stable condition.

Both men were young black males. It is not known if this was a targeted crime or random. Police are focusing on a white Camaro in the parking lot, found with a handgun nearby. Neither police nor Benihana employees are forthcoming. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

Homeowner Shoot Armed Car Burglar
A Milwaukee, Wisconsin man was forced to shoot a car burglar in self defense. The man challenged a thief burglarizing his car. The thief pulled a gun and the car owner pulled one right back and shot. The thief ran away and was arrested in an area hospital. The DA will decide if charges will be pressed against the car owner.

Police Arrive to Find a Hog-Tied Suspect
While not strictly a DGU, the following shows that we are the weapon, the gun – or a vase – are the tools.

A Kenosha, Wisconsin man heard “that noise” very early in the morning. He found a man climbing through an upstairs window, who asked the home-owner if he wanted his grass cut. Justifiably outraged at the aggressive sales tactic, the homeowner brained the door-to-door salesman with a nearby vase. Police arrived to find the man hog-tied with a garden hose. The twenty-two year old is charged with burglary, theft and disorderly conduct. He is also the suspect in a recent string of local burglaries.

While we never want to be in a self-defense situation, the ability to smack a pushy salesman, even a pretend one, is certainly tempting.

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Listener e-mail discussion

We had Jeff Street on the show before. He and his wife offer free firearms training at their church. They have a Special Event coming up in the Naples Florida area.

Jeff writes-
We will have a guest speaker Naples Criminal Defense Attorney Donald Day
He is also a “Self Defense Attorney” affiliated with the Armed Citizens Legal defense network.
The topic will be “Defending yourself in Florida with a Weapon: The Law from A-Z”.

When:
Tuesday July 21st 2015 from 6:30pm – 8:30pm

There is no charge but Donald asks that all make some contribution to the NRA or Sign up for the Armed Citizen Legal Defense Network.
Space is limited. Call or text to make your reservations. 239-641-6140

Rob- It has been a busy week at the slow facts blog. I wrote four articles covering the murders in Charleston and having guns in church. I also posted a fairly long article talking about the marketing aspects of gun control.

Anti-rights advocates offer an emotional appeal to an idealized fantasy they call gun control. The ideology of disarmament has many aspects that make it easy to sell.

Those articles are up at Ammoland, Clash Daily, and on my blog at Slowfacts dot wordpress dot com.

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is a big part of what you get to hear. look him up at not one more gun law dot blog spot dot com

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today. co-hosts, will you be with us next time? I’m looking forward to it. Until the next time…

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George: I’m George Hill, and we’ll talk with Dan Roberts about the ongoing protests at the homes of anti-rights politicians in New Jersey.

Tatiana- I’m Tatiana Whitlock, and we also interview Carl Chinn about security in churches and synagogues..

John Edeen- I’m John Edeen, and we have our weekly news and examples of defensive gun use.. so climb aboard.

George: Buckle Up.

Tatiana : and hang on!

Paul: episode 334 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

Rob- I mentored a first shots class for a group of staffers and councilmen from San Diego City Hall. I found out one of the mentors listens to our podcast. Made some donations for a local initiative to re-zone gun ranges, and to the New Jersey recall effort. I’m scheduled to be on Lock and Load radio next Friday, and to mentor another first shots class for medical professionals next Saturday.

Rachel-I’m so glad to be back on the podcast today! The past few months I’ve been taking care of my 10-year-old brother, as well as working through the biggest music jobs of the year. The past several weeks, my two youngest brothers, my sister Deborah, and I took an amazing vacation to Colorado and Wyoming. I attended the weddings of a couple long-time friends and we visited Pikes Peak and Yellowstone, among other thrilling sights. I also enjoyed the freedom to open carry a full-size handgun in NM, CO, WY, MT, and ID. Only a few more months and we’ll be doing that in Texas, too. This weekend I’m instructing a ladies rifle class at Battle Road (online registration here).

George Hill (three sentence biography and any personal gun news this week)

Tatiana Whitlock: I am a Mom, industrial designer, firearms student and instructor and member of the NRA Women’s Network. I am also the owner and designer of ID Target Systems which creates realistic 3D training aids for personal and home defense training. My career took a shift from fine art and design to firearms five years ago. Since then my focus has been in real world, practical application of firearms for home and self defense.

(What did you do this week, Tatiana?)

John Edeen: I am a Pediatric orthopedic surgeon practicing in San Antonio for the past 17 years. I am a Navy veteran have been pursuing firearms training since 2010. I am also the membership director for Doctors for Responsible Gun Ownership. I have been active in the Second Amendment rights movement for two years.

This week I attended the Threat Centered Revolver training course taught by Grant Cunningham in Ohio. The course was hosted by Paul Carlson of Safety Solutions Academy. It is essentially Combat Focus Shooting for the revolver. If you’ve taken CFS, you will recognize many of the general principles of the curriculum. The focus is on the threat and the techniques that are taught are adapted to what your body does under extreme stress. Grant emphasizes using visual information in target selection and shoot-don’t shoot exercises. What makes this course unique is the revolver. Grant teaches the fundamentals of grip and trigger manipulation of the double action revolver first, so by the end of the course, you are doing the shooting automatically. It’s a good thing, because the second day you are using your brain in decision making. Reloading a revolver is a manual skill, with multiple steps that, by the end of the weekend you have mastered by sheer repetition. He showed us some one handed reloading techniques, both strong and weak hand, but emphasized that actual use of these techniques is unlikely in an actual defensive encounter. If you carry a revolver for personal protection, you will benefit from the knowledge you gain from this course. Much of the content of the course can be found in Grant’s book, Defensive Revolver Fundamentals.

Paul Carlson did a great job of organizing the course. The facilities and range were well suited for firearms training and Paul also did some instruction.

A bonus to the course was dinner with David Codrea. David lives nearby, so I invited him, Grant, Paul and the other students. We had a nice dinner at The Chophouse , but the conversation was lively and stimulating…Paul

Susan – won’t be here for the intro she will be back home as soon as she can, but will be at least late.

Paul – Worked as usual this week. Definitely decided that I am going to order another barrel for the G22, going to get a .357 Sig barrel and see if I like shooting that better. That is one thing that I like about Glocks is their flexibility.

Nothing else gun related. Susan can’t join us at least during the first segment as she is at a meeting at her soon to be former job. She interviewed for and has been offered a job with a considerable raise in responsibility and more importantly pay.

We have been going out on Sunday mornings and have started looking at campers. I want a camper that I can pull behind my Dodge half ton pickup, which means that I am looking at campers on the smaller end. we have 2 absolutes that we are looking for, #1 it MUST have a bathroom (Susan’s requirement) and it MUST have air conditioning (mine)

>live promo about upcoming training classes here.

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Charleston’s Emanuel AME Church Murders
The staff of the Polite Society Podcast would like to extend our sincere condolences to the friends, family, congregation and community of the nine victims at the Charleston AME church. We count ourselves as part of the community that is grieving their loss. We surely condemn the evil that raised its head in that holy place.

During the seven minute prepared statement Obama said, “At some point, we as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this type of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries. It doesn’t happen in other places with this kind of frequency. And it is in our power to do something about it.” Obama is mistaken in those statements – no, let’s be honest: he lied. Most, if not all, advanced countries endure mass killings – evil respects no borders. Countries like Finland, Russia, Germany, France and England, have endured these tragedies, some much worse than Columbine, Sandy Hook and Charleston together. We see mass murders with weapons in countries with far more oppressive gun laws than the US. And — Obama certainly does not have the Constitutional power in his pen and phone to override Congress and the Will of the People.

If one of the 12 people present had been armed, the AME massacre might have ended very differently. At fearsome odds, Aaron Guyton, Jeanne Assam, and Charl van Wyk stopped attacks on their churches. They are just a few of the pastors and parishioners who have successfully defended the lives of their flock. Unfortunately, South Carolina makes it illegal to carry a concealed weapon into a church without permission. Good people were disarmed and helpless when evil intruded into their sanctuary.

The host of federal and state laws also failed the victims. Official information is hard to come by, but the killer apparently was able to obtain his weapon over the counter despite his drug addiction and several felony arrests. He violated a host of laws possessing, concealing and transporting the gun. 911 also failed: the police arrived an eternity too late. The killer had enough time to taunt his victims, expend six magazines and then make good his escape. The only thing that could have stopped the hateful spree was a good guy with a gun.

Obama made his comments moments before jetting off to attend three Hollywood fundraisers and put in another round or two of golf. At one $33,400 a plate function, Obama discussed his plans for gun control with the entertainment industry elite. After all, Matthew Perry knows everything about guns.
One of the Polite Society’s core philosophies is that good guys with guns do good things. Carry your CCW if you can, where you can, when you can. Stand as free men and women; not as victims. Stand.

Comments from Rob, John, Tatiana and George.

Rachel-Apart from legal issues, this story raises other questions that Christian/church-going gun carriers need to have considered, foremost of which, “Is it appropriate to carry in church?” I’m a Christian all week. I worship God and seek to serve Him all week. So I feel if it was inappropriate to carry at church it would also be inappropriate to carry away from church.

Loving and worshipping God involves valuing what He values. He created life, and that life is precious and valuable. I believe in the principle of self-defense not out of spite or vengeance or selfishness, not because I think I’m more important than someone else, but because God made me in His image and I as a person have value.

I believe in protecting others’ lives because they as people made in God’s image have value. This is part of loving my neighbor as myself.

I believe that if another person devalues human life by trying to extinguish it – for example, pulling a gun and beginning to murder people – it is good and right to protect the innocent life, even if that may call for taking the life of the killer. This is valuing justice as well as valuing life.

So, I see value and rightness in welcoming a stranger into one’s midst for a prayer meeting and extending the love of Christ to him, but I also see value and rightness in carrying a firearm and being ready to use it to defend life.

Things that we value help us make choices in living our lives. Sometimes we decide to intentionally make ourselves more vulnerable, but that’s a calculated risk. It’s a decision you make for yourself. Each of us has to weigh safety, living life, enjoying freedom, sharing and loving others.

Rob- This news breaks my heart and it makes me proud of you. Everyone on this program has taken training and wishes they were sitting in that prayer circle and carrying. It also makes me wonder about values. On one hand we’re told that all values are the same. In that case crazy paranoid racist rants are just a lifestyle choice. I think values matter and this kid was crazy.

George? President Obama said that in order to stop violent attacks we have to turn the legally armed US into the disarmed AME church. That takes a heck of a speech writer to pull that one off.

Tatiana?- The president said we should stop 21 year olds from buying guns because they are too irresponsible. Is he also advocating raising the age to vote? +1 DM

John: My passion is to get rid of gun free zones. This unfortunate event demonstrates the futility of a law that disarms the law abiding and allows the evil actors free reign to murder unopposed. This is a moral issue. It is immoral for any legislature to leave gun free zones in place. Every time there is a mass shooting in a gun free zone, the legislature is an accessory and has blood on its hands.

If I can be funny for a moment, the president said at his fundraiser in Hollywood that anyone could go to a gun show and buy a gun without a background check. I bet that gave his audience some hope that they could get a gun despite their prior drug convictions.

George- The president is wrong. Every gun law that applies outside a gun show also applies inside the gun show.

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Of Course She Did
Front running Democrat presidential candidate (gawd help us all) Hillary Clinton lost little time before calling for new restrictions on firearms in the wake of the tragedy at the Emanuel AME church in Charleston. Just as predictable was the standard anti-gun litany of “common-sense” reforms, universal background checks, keeping guns out of the hands of domestic abusers or people suffering from mental illness, or even people on the terror watch list.

Someone should tell Ms Clinton that none of her wish list would have kept the gun out of the murderer’s hands. He apparently passed the background checks they are so fond of.

Paul – in other news water is wet!

-A firearms instructor wanted to do more than be a good witness. He wanted to prevent another crime before it happened. The owner of Bear Beam Firearms in Tulsa, Oklahoma offers free training classes to preachers and ministers. Charles Peters said “Protecting .. their flock is important. Being prepared for that unfortunate event when it happens needs to take place prior to it happening. Not reacting to it afterwards. I’ve (offered these classes) before and nobody shows up because nobody thinks it affects them. The recent event will cause them to see how much it can affect them.”

Peters said he has already received calls from pastors interested in his free course and some have signed up. He cautions anyone who seeks out a conceal carry permit, that they also need to receive proper safety training. Pastors will only need to show identification showing they’re a pastor or assistant pastor. They will still need to pay any state fees associated with the permit.

Comment- Rob- Why do religious leaders think it is noble to be disarmed victims?

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Cuomo Creates ‘Total Cluster F—k’ in Escaped-Killers Hunt
Not only is New York governor Mario Cuomo a rabid anti-gunner, a hard-left progressive, the head of an administration that’s corrupt even by New York standards, and a publicity ho(und), he’s now credited with creating a Total… err… Charlie Foxtrot (no relation) of the hunt for two escaped murderers.

With TV cameras in tow, Cuomo elbowed his way to the scene of the upstate New York prison escape. His unwelcome presence disrupted a crime scene only hours old. The ongoing search is hamstrung by competing agencies, bureaucratic infighting and publicity seeking officials. Heavily armed officers are bumbling about random patches of forest, often without coordination with other groups in the woods. Many are openly talking about the mess the search has become. As the murderers remain at large for days, now weeks, the pressure on Cuomo grows.

Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy.

Texas is definitely NOT New York. Texas Governor Greg Abbott signed a knife law preemption bill which keeps cities and counties from enacting local knife laws. City laws such as those in Corpus Christi and San Antonio will be effectively repealed after September first. Cities are allowed to regulate possession of knives in schools, on government property or at certain public events.

John Edeen- Will the San Antonio city council copy Chicago and outlaw knives on public transportation?

Also in the good news category, Nevada changed its reciprocity laws. Nevada now recognizes the concealed carry permits from 21 other states. Nevada now recognizes the popular Arizona permit, but not Utah and Florida. The Nevada legislature also eliminated the handgun registration requirements in Clark County.

Indiana Will Allow Short Barreled Shotguns
As of July 1st, Indiana residents will be allowed to possess shotguns with a barrel length less than 18”. The owner will still have to have the proper federal Class III paperwork for short barrelled shotguns. Which still makes no sense. Heck, Canadians can have short barreled rifles and shotguns without asking for permission and paying a special tax.

-In the not so good news category, the digital ridesharing company Uber now prohibits drivers and passengers from having weapons in its vehicles. Uber made the change back on June 10. Both Uber and Lyft are rolling gun-free zones.

Rachel- Does each car come with a little plastic no-guns sign on the window? Is the driver going to wand me like a TSA checkpoint? Seriously, I don’t want to get into a car when a thief knows I’m disarmed.

Rob- A regulated company can be pressured to follow ANYTHING the regulators tell it to do.

John- Can Uber be sued if the driver is attacked?

-Rob, you were thinking of moving from California. Maybe you should consider Puerto Rico. A class action lawsuit was brought by a group called “the Ladies of the Second Amendment”. They sued the commonwealth of Puerto Rico to allow firearms purchase and carry without having to show good cause. The Commonwealth attorney argued that having arms is a privilege and not a right. The intermediate appellate court ruled with the plaintiff citing the Heller and McDonald cases. Puerto Ricans can now carry, open or concealed, without a permit and they no longer need a permit to purchase a firearm. The court’s ruling also abolished the gun registry in Puerto Rico. All firearms transactions will be handled in accordance with US firearms regulations.

Paul- Freedom is breaking out in unexpected places. We had Ed Levine with us last week talking about non-resident permits in Washington DC. He finally picked up his DC carry permit. Unfortunately, this week a court imposed a stay so DC is again denying carry permits to mere mortals.

Phoney Baloney Maloney

Rep. Carolyn Maloney, D-NY, has found her nitch: the underside of the gun-control rock. This legislative session she has authored bills on the so called gun-show loophole (with a hidden registration requirement), a gun liability insurance mandate, funding for CDC anti-gun studies, and now the Handgun Trigger Safety Act. This bill would require all new handguns to utilize smart gun technology within 5 years, and the retrofit of all handguns within 10. The fact that acceptable smart gun technology doesn’t exist is probably not a bug, but a feature to her.

Fortunately, the above bills don’t have a snowball’s chance in hell of passage in the Republican controlled House. Perhaps, her puppetmasters have other objectives. They may be laying the foundation for when the political pendulum swings to the left again. More likely, they are hoping to get these ideas out to the states and cities. Once there, each anti-gun law must be fought individually, straining the resources of the pro-rights organizations. This could be gun bans by a thousand cuts.

As always, support your local, state and national gun-rights organizations. They’re going to need it.

Bloomberg Funds New Gun News Site ‘The Trace’ Speaking of the puppetmaster: Our ol’ friend Michael Bloomberg is at it again. That Nasty Little Fascist (thank you, Michael Bane) is using his billions to try and change the debate on guns in America. Bloomy is funding a media organization to distribute news about guns. And, of course, impart that unique Bloomberg spin to the news. New York’s “Capital” said the site will be the editorial arm of Bloomberg’s Everytown for Gun Safety. He obviously hopes to become a reference source for mainstream media, like the now largely discredited Brady Bunch was in the past.
A look at “The Trace” website shows a very heavy-handed spin on gun news. The few articles that were briefed (we lacked sufficient blood-pressure medicine) were long on allegations and short on facts. Did you know that Guns Are Now the Weapon of Choice for Violent White Supremacists? If you bothered reading the article, you wouldn’t know much more.

This website does no credit to the already badly damaged standards of journalism. However, it does have that unique Bloomberg stench.

Gun Quotes (give the gun quote to the person who has said the least so far)

If they think gun buybacks get guns away from criminals, then why don’t they ever do crack and heroin buybacks? That quote is from Facebook.

Paul- Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our interview segment.

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Gary Slider of handgunlaw.us.(wednesday?)

Carl Chinn about church security

Dan Roberts about ongoing protests in New Jersey. Steve Sweeney got his democrat city council members to bar protests in front his house. The Recall Sweeney event is next week, June 27th. Sweeney is using the victim card for his special needs daughter claiming the protesters frightened his family. A mental health search takes less than a week. Some New Jersey gun owners are afraid of political retribution.

Segment 4 DGUs

Three men approached a resident of Hope MIlls, North Carolina as he arrived home after midnight. The three thieves drew their firearms and demanded money. The resident reached back into his car and drew his revolver. He shot one of the thieves and all three of the thieves then ran off on foot. The victim was shot in the abdomen, was taken to Cape Fear medical center, and is expected to recover. Police found one of the thieves wearing latex gloves and with a gunshot wound to his chest. The thief died before medical help arrived.

Rob- The victim was not carrying. Three on one. Six shots doesn’t seem like enough.

Atlanta, Georgia Homeowner Defends His Life Against Two Intruders An Atlanta Homeowner was forced to overpower an attacker and then shoot him several times in defense of his life. Two men busted through his door at 3 AM. The wounded burglar was taken to the hospital where he died several hours later.

Police are still looking for the other home invader.

-The police tell us to be a good witness. That sounds like good advice, but could you watch and do nothing while a friend of yours was being robbed at gunpoint? A thief walked into a Breadbox Convenience store in Knoxville, Tennessee. He pointed a 9mm pistol at the clerk and forced her behind the counter. The thief didn’t see the clerk’s friend waiting in the parking lot. The clerk’s friend grabbed his own handgun and entered the store. That is when he shot the thief and saved the clerk. The thief died.

Police called the shooting justified because of the threat to the clerk’s life. They also reported that the thief’s gun had the serial numbers filed off.. and the police are still trying to trace where the gun was stolen.

Family members of the thief said the friend in the car shouldn’t have gotten involved.

Two Thugs Have a Gun Wrestled Away By A Mom (Do we really want to use this one? RM) (It certainly shows the essential will to overcome and the inadvisability of opening the door to anyone unknown – DM) Two thugs got between a momma bear and her cub, but did live to regret it. Barely.

A Nashville woman opened her front door to two men saying they were the police. The masked men blew in, grabbed the homeowner and demanded her money. When she was unable to give them what they wanted, they began to beat her. With her daughter looking on, she resisted and fought back. The fight rolled out onto the front lawn where she was able to grab a thug’s gun and turn it on the cowardly duo. Several shots chased them down the street. Neither suspect is known to have been hit.

The woman was taken to the hospital with cuts and bruises. Her daughter was unharmed. Police have been unable to find the hapless thugs, and have not said if the woman would be charged for firing at the fleeing invaders or if she will be allowed to keep the gun. We say she’s earned it.

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Paul- Rob, do you have any new posts from your blog you want to mention?

Rob- I wrote about the murders at the Charleston church and the political protests in New Jersey following the murder of Carol Bowne. Also, we’ve had Amber Kunau on the show. Amber wrote a powerful piece about the Carol Bowne’s murder and I linked to it. 10 thousand people came by my site to read them. I want to thank our listeners for sharing these articles since most of my viewers came from Facebook. The articles are posted at Ammoland, at ClashDaily and on my blog- Slow facts dot wordpress dot com.

Tatiana – Available online via American Shooting Journal are two recent articles that I wrote regarding merging real world training with range time practice and another about the differences between how men and women learn to shoot. http://americanshootingjournal.com/ They have received great feedback and answered many questions I receive from students and instructors alike. I am also honored to be writing for Be Ready magazine so look for articles from me regarding women’s concealed carry and big-picture training in their bi-annual publications. More information on my training schedule, course offerings and adventures can be found at tatianawhitlock.com.

John- My Articles: The Unthinkable: An Active Shooter in a Hospital and A Tale of Two Shootings can be accessed through drgo.us.

(Ask Tatiana, George and John if they want a shout-out for their articles or activities?)

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is a big part of what you get to hear. He writes at his blog “Not One More Gun Law”

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. I’d like to thank (Carl Chinn and Dan Roberts) for joining us today. We have Kenn Blanchard from Black Man witha a Gun, Gary Slider of handgunlaw.us and Doug Ritter of knife rights scheduled to join us next week. Rob will you be with us? I’m looking forward to it. Hopefully John, Gary and Rachel will be back as co-hosts. Until the next time…

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Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and we also get to talk with the shy and soft-spoken and famous Taco Bell fan Miguel Gonzalez of The Gun Free Zone Blog. Miggy will tell us about the new “common sense gun regulations” proposed by the department of justice. We have all that and our usual news and stories of defensive gun use, so climb aboard.

Rob- strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul: episode 333 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

Rob- I spoke with one of our listeners. Tony is running some introductory training classes in New Jersey. I had some repairs made on my Glock 19. Shot an IDPA match. One stage had 18 separate cardboard targets. That stage took a while to score and tape.

I was shooting a mix of defensive and practice ammunition. The glock doesn’t care what it eats so far. On a personal note, we went and heard Rand Paul speak last night.

John – Not much in the way of personal gun stuff to report this week. I did pick up 4 Aero Precision AR stripped lowers this week. I found a great deal on them and couldn’t resist. I think there will be more AR builds in my future! Planning what to do is half the fun.

Gary – Sorting brass for reloading and teaching Plus just opened the new scope for my M&P15

I am going to insert a live promo about upcoming training classes here.

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Guns For Me, But Not For TheeGeraldo Rivera doesn’t believe the public should own guns. According to him, the Second Amendment is blind and stupid. Oddly enough, when push comes to maybe being shoved, he becomes a believer in a firearm – for his self-defense. Covering the Baltimore riots, Geraldo could have felt uneasy about being as defenseless as one of the little people. So, the Very Important Person got some muscle – muscle with guns. What his bodyguard didn’t have was a hard-to-get permit to carry those guns in Maryland. Now, Geraldo’s bodyguard sits in jail, unable to meet the outrageous $350,000 bond.

While Baltimore’s mayor gave the rioters room to destroy, the politicians would not allow the citizens their right to an effective self-defense. Just as hypocritical, Geraldo was protected by the same firearms he would deny from the people

Blind and stupid? Well, Geraldo is certainly one to know blind stupidity.

We like guns.. and so do you. A new Rasmussen poll reports that American voters overwhelming prefer living in a neighborhood where they have the option of owning a gun rather than living where nobody is allowed to be armed. Only 22 percent of likely U.S. voters feel safer living in a neighborhood where nobody was allowed to own a gun. Sixty-eight percent would feel safer in a neighborhood where guns are allowed. That more than a three to one ratio.

That leads us to ask.. why aren’t they all listening to our podcast?

Total Recall is more than a movie. Patricia Duffy had her recall petition approved by the Oregon Secretary of State. She wants to recall state Senator Floyd Prozanski because of his vote on mandatory background checks for Oregon gun owners. This recall is in Lane County which includes the liberal college town of Eugene. You’d think that gun prohibition would succeed there, but the Lane county politicians said they would not enforce the firearms transfer law. This is the fourth Oregon legislator facing a recall over the firearms transfer law. Citizens have until September fourth to gather 8,700 signatures for the recall.

Rob- Speaking of recall petitions.. the petition drive to remove New Jersey Senator Steve Sweeney is in two weeks.

Our next story could be called total recant. The FBI released a report before the 2014 midterm elections that claimed mass murders were on the rise. Criminologists looked at the report since then and said the report was deeply flawed. The report ignored older attacks and overcounted recent ones. Now, two of the authors have had to retract their conclusions. The authors paid by the FBI to write the report said the study’s “data is imperfect. Because official data did not contain the information we needed, we had to develop our own.”

John- That is academic speak for “I made it up.”

Rob- The way the authors built their study, their methodology would report an increase in any event they looked for. The authors can always go to work writing reports on global warming.

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-Yes, crazy people get guns. What are you going to do about it? The Aurora theater murderer kept a journal. It is now public. The journal includes lists of possible targets, diagrams of the movie theater, and the advantages and disadvantages of mass murder, serial murder, bombs, biological warfare, attacking a theater or an airport. It details which auditoriums in the theater complex had the fewest exits and which rooms offered the least chance he would be detected as he slipped out and in the back door. The journal documents the murderer’s struggle with mental illness for the last ten years. Like the jihadi terrorist, the murderer did not fear death. He feared failure.. and would not be stopped by a plastic sign that said “no guns allowed”. He is being tried for murdering 12 people and wounding an additional 70. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/may/28/theater-shooting-prosecutors-build-case-that-holme/#ixzz3d2l9WYDM

–The Supreme Court refused to hear a court case from San Francisco. They let stand a case that was very similar to the Heller case in DC. San Francisco requires that a firearm be locked in a safe and inoperable whenever it is not being carried on body.

Rob- Three New York cities passed the same storage requirement law the day after the Supreme Court refused to hear the case. Alito and Roberts blinked.

John- Judge Thomas spoke out against the ban and wanted to hear the case. He said the 9th Circuit’s ruling was “in serious tension” with the Heller decision. He was right.

Rob- as long as they are in your hands or a locked safe. A woman in San Francisco who keeps her gun in a nightstand is now a felon.. and she can’t wear it as she take her garbage can to the curb or to get her mail. That requires a carry permit.. which she won’t get.

Bill to Fix Sporting Purpose Language in 1968 Gun Control ActRepresentative Rob Bishop of Utah has introduced H.R. 2710, the “Lawful Purpose and Self-Defense Act of 2015″. His bill aims to fix the flawed and much abused Sporting Purposes language of the ‘68 Gun Control Act,. The bill has already garnered strong support from the NRA, NSSF, and the CCRKBA, as well as 50 co-sponsors.

Misdefining Sporting Purposes has led to recent ATF overreaches such as the attempted ban of the 5.56 M855 round and could threaten larger calibers and shotgun self defense loads. Most importantly, the Sporting Purposes phrase has no foundation in the Constitution. As the Supreme Court determined in DC v. Heller, the right to keep and bear arms was never written to protect hunting or target shooting.

Representative Bishop hopes to “…slap the over-reaching hand of the federal government and restore some of the freedoms our grandparents enjoyed.” A NSSF representative stated that; “This is one of the most important pieces of reform legislation that the firearms and ammunition industry has seen come before Congress in recent years,”

We certainly wish Rob Bishop all the best.

-This is more sad news from the failing city of Chicago. Chicago had its 1000th shooting victim this year. If there is any good news it is this. Not one of the victims was attacked by a concealed carry holder as the police chief alleged when concealed carry was passed.

Gary- That news is out of date. I checked the statistics today, and the total number of people wounded or murdered with a firearm in Chicago is 1114 so far this year.

–Voters in Montana could have the chance to vote to allow teachers to carry guns in schools. This is because of the efforts of a 17-year-old junior at Whitefish High School. Chet Billi filled draft language for a proposed initiative for the 2016 ballot this week with the Montana Secretary of State. He’d like to see teachers armed in accordance with state concealed-carry laws. A measure to legalize concealed-carry on Montana’s public college campuses passed the Montana Senate in the last legislative session, but was died in the House on a 49-51 vote. Maybe the voters will do it themselves.

–We discussed the proposed changes in the ITAR regulations last week. We asked you to write your lawmakers as well as submit comments. GOA has set up a comment generator where you take a cut and paste pre-written comment and send it to the State Department. This is going to be one of those proposed regulations where we need thousands and thousands of comments just like with the ATF proposal to label green-tip M855 ammo as armor piercing.

John – We need to bury them with comments because they have to read and consider each and every one.

–There is lots of news out of New Jersey this week. We have an interview coming up with Dan Roberts. He’ll cover the ongoing protests after the murder of Carol Bowne. Here is some good news out of New Jersey..

We had Steffon Josey-Davis on our show several months ago. Davis was arrested, charged, and convicted of a felony in 2013 for accidentally transporting his legally registered handgun. He has finally received a pardon from Governor Chris Christie. We’re glad for Steffon, but remain worried about the two million gun owners trapped by New Jersey gun laws.

John- I remember Brian Aitken, James Kaleda, Shaneen Allen and Gordon Van Gilder. There are hundreds of honorable gun owners who’ve been harassed by New Jersey law enforcement.

Rob- New Jersey gun laws are a problem, not the solution. Look at the most violent cities in America. Five of the worst 40 cities are in New Jersey.

John- Rob, that isn’t news. We’ve seen the same thing before after Britain imposed firearms prohibition. They are now the most violent country in Europe.

Gun Quotes: Owning a handgun doesn’t make you armed any more than owning a guitar makes you a musician. Jeff Cooper

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our interview segment.

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Ed Levine-

Virginia Gunrights- Most of us have visited DC. We used to do it disarmed. We have Ed Levine with us to talk about DC permits for residents of other states. Welcome Ed.

What is involved in getting a non-resident permit for DC?

Ed should get his permit after his Friday class.

Miguel Gonzalez- talking about the state department’s new regulation regarding the International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR). Export now means “post on the internet.”

Senator Sweeney turned his sprinklers on the protesters.. and stationed police cars right in front of the house. 40 people at Steve Sweeney’s house from 1pm to 4pm. Sweeney has a carry permit and cops on his doorstep, but Carol Bowne was disarmed. The NBC station interviewed NJ2AS.. but left out the remarks from Senator Sweeney.

Segment 4 DGUs–

-A Houston woman was sitting in her car at a gas station. A thief jumped into the passenger seat. and put a knife in her face. He demanded her money and her purse. The driver told the thief she would get the money. Instead she grabbed her pistol and shot the thief in the shoulder. The thief ran and collapsed about a half mile away. The thief is expected to recover and the driver is uninjured.

-Five armed men broke into a home on the east side of Detroit. The homeowner with a concealed carry license grabbed her gun as the thieves broke in through her bedroom window. They shot at her. She shot at them and the thieves fled. Unfortunately, the homeowner was shot in the foot. She is expected to make a full recovery.

She was selected as a likely victim because she is receiving cancer treatment and lives alone. The victim got a gun three years ago after her home was burglarized. I was going to fault her marksmanship, but five against one in the middle of the night is a really tough problem. She solved it.

-This next story comes to us from one of our guests, Tatiana Whitlock. A 35-year-old woman from Portland, Maine defended herself with a handgun. A man approached her and asked for money as she walked across the parking lot near Maine Medical Center. She said no. The beggar turned thief and threatened her with a knife. The woman retreated to her car and grabbed her handgun. She pointed the gun at the man and told him to leave her alone. The man ran and the victim reported the attempted robbery and assault to police.

-A school bus driver saw two strangers with guns in her school parking lot. The assailants charged her and the driver retreated to her car. Then she took action. She chased the two strangers with her car and called police. Police found the two attackers high on drugs and armed with several handguns.

Rob- Her actions broke up their plans and gave authorities time to respond. Good work.

-A robber walked into a Kansas City, Missouri, pharmacy wearing a mask and carrying a gun. She demanded oxycodone from one of the clerks. The pharmacist came over and asked what the woman wanted. She said, ‘I’ve got a gun in this bag.’ to which the pharmacist replied, I got a gun too, as he pointed his 45 at the thief. The woman ran. No shots were fired. Cameras captured video of the suspect and her getaway car. Police recovered the bag the woman carried into the pharmacy, which contained a fake plastic gun.

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Scott wrote in from Houston.

I noticed on the news from New York that all the cops have 30 round magazines for their patrol rifles. I thought the governor said no one needs a 30 round magazine.. yet only law-abiding citizen are required to have seven rounds. Isn’t that pathetic.

Rob- I wrote about New Jersey judges and how they disarmed Carol Bowne before she was murdered. Judges ruled that New Jersey firearms laws are not infringements. Excuse me, but it isn’t a minor legal regulation when people bleed to death.

Usually people come to my blog page through aggregators like keep and bear arms or sites like Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership. This time I received 2700 hits from facebook. I haven’t had that before. The posts are up at Ammoland, ClashDaily and my blog- slow facts dot wordpress dot com.

I’d like to highlight a couple of posts that I did this week. The first was the management changes at Remington Outdoor Company. The CEO, CFO, and some directors are out. I think their problems illustrate what happens when you have financial people with no firearms manufacturing experience try to run a gun company. The second post deals with the lawsuit of Cold Steel knives against CRKT knives. That lawsuit is an example of lawfare – using the courts to gain a competitive advantage rather than fighting it out in the marketplace. The basis of the lawsuit involves CRKT advertising claims and the ego of the owner of Cold Steel.

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is a big part of what you get to hear.

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today. co-hosts, will you be with us next time? I’m looking forward to it. Until the next time…

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“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded Sunday, June 7,2015. I’m Paul Lathrop
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonights show we talk about growing the gun culture with instructor and podcaster Bob Mayne.
John: I’m John Richardson, and texas finally has campus carry.
Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty we have a guest interview with Dan Roberts from the marchers in front of New Jersey Senator Stephen Sweeney’s house.. so climb aboard
Rob: strap in
John : and hang on!
Paul: episode 332 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

Rob dry practiced with friends Thursday night. Shot IDPA with my G19 friday night. Picked up some new magazines for my small browning 1911-22 saturday morning. I talked with John Edeen about his new 10mm version of the Sig 220. Finally cleaned my Mosin Nagant. (Sorry it took me so long, John.)

John – I doubt the Finns had much time to clean their Mosins when they were fighting the Red Army! The one thing I did this week firearms related was email my local state representative, a Democrat, asking him to support HB 562, the Second Amendment Affirmation Act, as it would eventually do away with North Carolina’s pistol purchase permit system. Imagine my surprise when I got a call yesterday evening from him asking to discuss the bill. He said he was a gun owner, CCW holder, NRA member, and a hunter. He went to say there was a lot in the bill he could support and would with a few changes. He gave me his cell number and asked me to call or text him with my comments if the bill changes. I didn’t vote for him but I was impressed that he took the time to call me.

Gary – Class and more shooting

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-The Texas legislature completed the final steps for campus carry and governor Abbott signed it into law. The new law requires Texas public universities to allow licensed concealed carry holders into dorms, classrooms and campus buildings. College campuses have often sprawled across town, with a department building intermixed with private businesses and public roads. Licensed concealed carry was already allowed on campus, but you couldn’t enter the school buildings. You can in the fall of 2016.

The law allows universities to carve out gun-free zones in locations of their choice – establishing their own rules on where handguns are carried and how they’re stored. We will see what college administrators do with that loophole. Private universities can opt out of the carry requirement altogether.

-There were 27 shootings in Baltimore over the Memorial day weekend. 19 people were robbed in New York City’s central park. Chicago had 12 people shot to death and an additional 47 shot and wounded over the same weekend. That is a tragedy. Baltimore, Chicago, New York.. these deep blue cities are the very model of progressive regulation. In response to continued violence, the Obama administration called for more anti-rights controls.

The White House press secretary said, Quote “Obviously there’s some common sense things we could do – certainly passage of some gun safety laws in Congress that could keep guns out of the hands of criminals would be one thing that we could do to try to limit the violence.” Also, the government could improve the lives of citizens living in poverty stricken areas of our inner cities. close quote.

They called it gun safety, but it is really about people control. The White House failed to tell us that assaults with a firearm are down. That is why I have to ask this question. There are thousands of firearms restrictions in these cities already, and the violence marches on. Which criminals do they think will obey these new restrictions?

Even though people can’t work and raise a family in those examples of a deep blue progressive paradise, the obama administration wants to blame firearms for violence. This week the Department of Justice said it will institute over a dozen new regulations to make it harder for law abiding gun owners to own a firearm for self-defense.

We don’t think these anti-rights laws will help our friends trying to live in the inner city.

Rob- DC had violent weekend too. People shot = 9. People stabbed = 7.

John – It just infuriates me that the gun prohibitionists try to call what they do gun safety.

-In chicago, publicity seeking priest Michael Pfleger said the NRA was responsible for the shootings in chicago. Pfleger was joined by Jesse Jackson and Brady Campaign president Dan Gross as they staged a rally outside Dick’s sporting goods in Chicago.

Gary- This isn’t about firearms safety. There were 300 shootings in Chicago last month. None of them were by concealed carry holders or honest citizens who legally bought a gun and had a background check. My students don’t shoot innocent people on street corners.

These spokesmen are chasing dollars in a witch hunt against guns.

Rob- Lots of our deep-blue progressive cities have seen a surge in violent crime.

John – You don’t think some of those shootings might have been gang on gang, do you?

-Those gun grabbers in Chicago are not the only people seeking public attention. A man carried his AR into Atlanta airport. He videoed himself doing it as he trolled for the police. A second man wore his Star Wars stormtrooper costume, complete with blaster, outside a school in Massachusetts. He also got some police attention. If you absolutely positively need public attention, then please enter a beauty pageant or buy a dog. You are undermining the right of self-defense as you shock the average citizen. You’re really working for gun grabbers like bloomberg while you feed your ego.

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-This news should make our inner cities safer. Last week we reported that Washington, DC’s good cause requirement to get a carry permit was enjoined by a judge. In the last few days, I’m hearing reports that ordinary citizens finally received approval to take a class and receive a DC carry permit. DC also said licensed carry holders could carry a spare loaded magazine.

Rob- We’ll have an interview on applying for your non-resident DC permit.

-Self-defense news may seem politically partisan. There is a reason for that, as documented by a recent Yougov poll. Republicans were 50% more likely than democrats to say they owned a .gun. 69 percent of Republicans say the ‘average American’ can be trusted with a firearm while only 32 percent of Democrats trust the average american. Democrats were almost three times more likely than republicans to want stricter gun laws.

The meaning is clear to me. We need to take more friends shooting so more democrats will stand up for the human right of self-defense.

Obama Seeks To Limit Communication About Firearms
It’s often said that those who would eliminate one fundamental Constitutional Right would have little problem eliminating others. From the NRA-ILA comes a warning of the Obama administration’s effort to restrict free speech about firearms. It reads like a tinfoil hat fever dream, but we assure you that the source is the reputable NRA-ILA. Obama is once again attacking the First and Second Amendments.

In the June 3rd issue of the Federal Register, the administration proposes “clarifying” the International Traffic in Arms (ITAR) regulations pertaining to the sharing of technical information on firearms and ammunition. Since Algore’s internet is worldwide, under the new rules any firearms data published on the web could be deemed an export of ITAR controlled information. Prior governmental permission would be needed or the poster could face 20 years in prison and a million dollars of fines. The chilling effect on free speech is obvious.

The firearm technical data would include blueprints, drawings, photographs, plans, instructions or documentation. Gunsmiths, manufacturers, reloaders, and do-it-yourselfers could all be suddenly subject to ITAR regulation. Under the proposed gag orders, your next issue of Guns and Ammo might only be a pamphlet, firearms specific websites would be blank pages. And the broad online open discussions about firearms we enjoy nowadays would only be a another fading memory of freedom.

Comment will be accepted on the proposed changes until August 3, 2015. Comments may be submitted online at regulations.gov or via e-mail at DDTCPublicComments@state.gov with the subject line, ‘‘ITAR Amendment—Revisions to Definitions; Data Transmission and Storage.” Please contact your U.S. legislators. Urge them to oppose the State Department’s attempt to censor online speech concerning the technical aspects of firearms and ammunition. You can use the NRA’s “Write Your Lawmakers” feature (link in the shownotes) or call the Congressional Switchboard at (202) 225-3121.

Please, please make your voice heard — while you still can.

Surgeon General Vivek Murthy Intends to Pursue Gun Control as a Health Issue

When Dr Vivek Murthy was being confirmed as the US Surgeon General there were a lot of questions about his sparse medical qualifications, lack of experience, untested leadership and his hardline anti-gun stance. He mollified the Senators by promising to not let his personal convictions interfere with his duties as Surgeon General.

He lied, of course.

In a recent fawning NPR interview, Murthy reiterates his statement that “guns are a health care issue.” He further states that “Violence of all kinds is a public health issue. When you have large numbers of people dying from preventable causes, that’s a health care issue. I want to find a way that we can reduce violence in America. … What I’m calling for is for more common sense.”

Despise Murthy’s claim of common sense, treating violence as medical issue is largely nonsensical. Common sense and statistics show that violence declines when criminals are targeted. Regardless of facts, it is apparent that the Surgeon General will join the Obama administration’s coordinated assault on the Right To Keep and Bear Arms.

Legislation Proposes $60 Million for Anti-Gun Research On Monday, NRA F-rated Sen. Edward Markey and our old friend Rep. Carolyn Maloney introduced legislation to authorize the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) to give $60 million of the taxpayers’ money to anti-gun activists to conduct “research” promoting gun control. If approved, these studies would use taxpayer monies to promote a political agenda against a constitutionally-protected right.

We wish that if Bloomberg would like to fund additional questionably biased anti-gun studies, he would use some of his own billions rather than getting Maloney to use our tax dollars.

Rob- It won’t be approved in this congress.Republican Representatives Preparing to Block DOJ Anti-gun Initiatives
Republican Representatives are attempting to use the Constitutional Power of the Purse to frustrate Obama’s Department of Justice anti-gun initiatives. They are preparing to use a funding bill to roll back some of the Department of Justice’s backdoor gun controls and to completely block the implementation of others.

Breitbart News has reported the DOJ’s plans to circumvent Congress with ‘more than a dozen’ new gun control regulations. These include new limitations on who can buy or possess guns, new reporting requirements for gun dealers, and new controls on certain types of firearms. The controls also add a whole new category of persons who have to undergo background checks when estates hold National Firearm Act guns in trust.

House Republicans are planning to stop the backdoor gun control push via riders to current funding legislation. The GOP-attached riders mean the DOJ cannot get the money it needs unless the Obama administration backs down from certain gun regulations. It is not known if House Speaker John Boehner retains enough of a spine to effectively back these initiatives.

The SAF Files an Appeal in Their Challenge of Washington’s Initiative 594 Several weeks ago we discussed the SAF’s challenge to Washington’s Bloomberg Inspired Anti-Rights Initiative 594. The judge dismissed the lawsuit on what many legal scholars believe to be the shakiest of grounds. Now, the SAF has filed an appeal of the dismissal before the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals.
“We believe an appeal will result in the case being remanded for full hearing because there are serious issues at stake,” said SAF founder and Executive Vice President Alan Gottlieb. “Citizens should not have to actually be criminally prosecuted in order to challenge the constitutionality of a poorly-written law.”

We wish Alan Gottlieb and the SAF all the best in this important effort.

Harbor Freight Allows Open Carry In Its Stores In a recent press release, Harbor Freight stated “We understand that there are a wide range of views on ‘open carry’ and other policies concerning firearms. We believe these policies should be addressed by the appropriate government agencies—not by Harbor Freight Tools.” Based on that wise understanding of the situation, Harbor Freight will permit the open carrying of firearms within its stores as long as local laws are being followed.

We applaud Harbor Freight’s decision to respect the rights of all of its customers. And we must confess to a sudden urge for some more power tools…

WHO???Gun Quote- I carry a weapon. I got a death threat a few years ago and was really scared. But I don’t want bodyguards. I am my own security. Country singer Miranda Lambert,

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our Bob Mayne interview.

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Dan Roberts

Segment 4 DGUs

Welcome back to the defensive gun use segment

A Gun Saves a Life
In this DGU, a victim’s gun saves an innocent life. A couple walked out of a Tampa eatery and into two robbers with a gun. As the woman attempted to run, one suspect aimed his gun in her direction. The woman’s companion defended her life with his concealed carry weapon, shooting the criminal and stopping the attack.

The highwayman is in the hospital with a gunshot wound to the leg. His accomplice later turned himself into the police. The woman suffered minor injuries from falling in the parking lot. Her protector was uninjured.

Clerk Shoots at Three Armed Robbers

Three masked and armed men attempted to rob the Happy Daze Smoke Shop in Houston. Unfortunately – for them – they did not hide their preparations any too well, and the observant clerk was ready for them. Unfortunately – for them – the clerk was armed, and he fired as the trio rushed into the store, yelling Go, Go, Go!

One of the robbers stumbled back into the parking lot, where he collapsed. His two confederates left him there to die.

It seems a clear case of self-defense, and in rights friendly Texas, the clerk is not expected to face charges.

Police found the burglar at the Holston Valley Medical Center where he was seeking treatment for his gunshot wounds.

Mr. Dykes is protected from any prosecution by Tennessee’s Castle Doctrine. Sullivan County District Attorney Barry Staubus said, “It has to be a reasonable defense of your home and you have to be in imminent fear of death. If those things exist, then you have the right to defend yourself.”

Here is where this story takes a funny turn. Relatives say Sinyard, who lived next door to the victim, was only looking for the family dog that had escaped. That must explain why sheriff’s deputies found him hiding in the attic of his mother’s home. They took Sinyard to a local hospital for treatment for his wounds and then arrested him.

A spokesman for the Sheriff’s Office had this to say about defending yourself from a home invasion. “As soon as we know something’s going on, we’re coming, but our sheriff is very adamant letting homeowners know you have a right to take care of yourself on your property.”

Woman Uses Gun to Stop Three Murderous Carjackers
A wrong turn on the mean streets of Detroit resulted in a woman desperately battling for her life. While attempting to make a U-turn, three armed thugs approached her car, jerked open the door and opened fire, putting two slugs into the door. What could have have been just another Detroit murder took a decidedly different turn when the woman emptied her CCW handgun’s 13 rounds of .357 SIG at the offenders. The hoodrats scurried away to the safety of some nearby abandoned homes.

The woman defiantly stated that; “All the residents of the city need to come together and take back this city from the thugs and the criminals that have taken over this city, and if you live in fear you’ll never bring this city back. You should be able to go anytime to get gas. This is the land of the free and the home of the brave, right? Why can’t we act like it?”

Detroit Police say she legally defended herself and, so far, it appears no one was hurt in the shooting. We sincerely applaud the woman’s moxie, but we believe she could benefit from one of Rick Ector’s Legally Armed in Detroit handgun classes to tune-up her handgun skills. Rick is training 300 Detroit area women for free.

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From listener Bow in NY,

I was “lucky” enough to get a pistol permit in the state of ny. The county I’m in issues it as a “sportsmans carry” permit. Meaning I can carry to and from the range or approved hunting grounds. If I were to travel to a state that actually recognized ny permits would those states rules apply or would I be stuck with the moronic laws of my state. I mean I passed their background check and they allow me to buy guns, why only allow me to carry to certain areas? Again only punishing the people that follow the law. Seems to be a lot of people being shot on a daily basis, funny they are no where near a range, don’t have a permit, and the guns were obtained illegally.

Thanks,
Bow
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The next email is from Peter The subject line reads “Topic idea”

Hi Guys,

Wonder if you might think about getting someone on to talk about the process of getting a non-resident DC carry permit? I live across the river in Virginia and I do have to go into the city from time to time.

Plus, it seems like now might be a good time to inundate them with a few tens of thousands of applications.

Also, when ya’ll interviewed Bob Mayne a month or two ago, you were talking about testing a gun to make sure it’s reliable before you carry. I wonder, does that still apply if it’s your first gun, or your first carry gun? It seems to me you were mostly talking about people who have a reliable carry gun they’re thinking of replacing. If you buy your first handgun, I’d think you’d want to wring it out and make sure it’s reliable, but I don’t think that should stop you from carrying it while you do.

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is a big part of what you get to hear.

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. I’d like to thank Bob Mayne for joining us today. co-hosts, will you be with us next time? I’m looking forward to it. Until the next time…

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(DO NOT READ)The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes and it is called Podcast Box. They are located by our old name, Politics and guns. Hot links are in our show notes.