America Is Basically Helpless Against The Chinese Hackershttp://www.businessinsider.com/america-cant-stop-chinese-hackers-2013-2/comments
en-usWed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 -0500Tue, 31 Mar 2015 17:25:31 -0400Michael B Kelley and Geoffrey Ingersollhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/512624d0ecad045a6f0000b1ppipThu, 21 Feb 2013 08:44:48 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/512624d0ecad045a6f0000b1
Baseball hats better.
Nothin a few broken kneecaps won't solve.
Or better yet, missing ENTER key fingers.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5126244b6bb3f7ab64000002ppipThu, 21 Feb 2013 08:42:35 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5126244b6bb3f7ab64000002
Yes, why is this not handled as if an act of war?
Are they hacking with friendly intent or not?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51260cb8ecad048448000002telltruthThu, 21 Feb 2013 07:02:00 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51260cb8ecad048448000002
just tell Chinese the damage is 2 trillions which is equal to the amount of debt bought by Chinese.
use it as excuse to offset the debt--use as excuse to contain China and help Japanese to defend their island which is belong to Chinese, then, US can sell more arm to Japanese.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5125df8d6bb3f7b15400002dTThu, 21 Feb 2013 03:49:17 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5125df8d6bb3f7b15400002d
I'm convinced Mandiant report is only half of the story. You cannot simply hijack a machine by clicking on an errand link without a zero-day exploit in the underlying OS, and I know for a fact there were a lot of "supporters"/"spies" employed by Microsoft who are in a position to introduce such zero-day exploits in the underlying OS in the first place. They seemed to have figured out the corporate weakness of Microsoft - that Microsoft is under extreme competitive threat and will do anything to get their edge back, even if it means ignoring the activities of these "supporters"/"spies". It's also easy to gain deniability after creating zero-day exploits, due to the thousands of unintentional zero-day exploits being created. The only difference being if it were intentional then the creator knows where it is and can instruct their Chinese hacker counterparts to exploit them first before they are closed. The only problem is as the confidence level of "supporters"/"spies" grew they get cocky and start overtly demonstrate their power over Microsoft executive ranks and abuse other employees who don't agree with their views and political stances, which is how I know they exist and what they are capable of. Bottom line is there is a digital front that will eventually lead to a digital Pearl Harbor and China has been investing heavily to make that happen for the last decade. The group became active roughly around 2004-2006 when President of China Hu Jin Tao first visited China and subsequently priority were given for former Communist Youth League members who studied in US and were subsequently employed by Microsoft to begin receive training from Chinese San Francisco Consulate to take over Microsoft secretly as a group. While I have only visibility of what happened at Microsoft I'm sure there were attempts to take over other big name tech companies such as Google as well.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5125d4bfecad049552000023mandarin_tommyThu, 21 Feb 2013 03:03:11 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5125d4bfecad049552000023
Why did you say "Unfortunately, America appears to have only one viable option: diplomacy."? I think you should ask CIA and FBI to faind the answer.
as a well known fact, there is not a single power did not do the same as Chinese did in the world. that is why the US have the only option: diplomacy!!!
You are too naive instead of knowing less.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5125a57469bedd6f62000003evanismWed, 20 Feb 2013 23:41:24 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5125a57469bedd6f62000003
Command & Conquer: Generals - Zero Hour/China - 2003
One of the prime tactics of the game as a Chinese player was hacking.
"We'll hack the internet dry" was the catch call.
2003.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5125a4756bb3f78d74000007evanismWed, 20 Feb 2013 23:37:09 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5125a4756bb3f78d74000007
Wrong. Wide spread systematic hacking is an act of war.
Respond and turn a few buildings into dust.
Must have been a gas leak.....http://www.businessinsider.com/c/512593736bb3f7e24f00001cbahahalolWed, 20 Feb 2013 22:24:35 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/512593736bb3f7e24f00001c
Not much there and the chinese characters screw with things.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51258cb7eab8eae90e00001aGlenn FredericksonWed, 20 Feb 2013 21:55:51 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51258cb7eab8eae90e00001a
Don't charge your smart phones on company computer usb ports. Hackers can find a back door to your corporate intranet this way.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51258b48eab8eac80e000027bahahalolWed, 20 Feb 2013 21:49:44 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51258b48eab8eac80e000027
With a capital T.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5125887eeab8ea0b04000042artful dodgerWed, 20 Feb 2013 21:37:50 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5125887eeab8ea0b04000042
I don't understand why the US military can't do the same and unleash massive viruses and spyware onto Chinese cyber infrastructure? We can always deny it too. Maybe there aren't many secrets in China worth stealing, but at least we can keep them occupied trying to fight off cyber attacks. If they decide to shut off America-bound net traffic at least that solves our hacking problem.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/512582666bb3f7e233000004blutownWed, 20 Feb 2013 21:11:50 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/512582666bb3f7e233000004
China may be the big dog but Russia and Iran are doing the same.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5125816feab8ea2b79000002blutownWed, 20 Feb 2013 21:07:43 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5125816feab8ea2b79000002
At least some of our cheap sh!t can be had from S. Korea.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51257c37eab8ea246f000001Michael KelleyWed, 20 Feb 2013 20:45:27 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51257c37eab8ea246f000001
haha Yes it did.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51256a2a6bb3f7cd0100002dcrusader70Wed, 20 Feb 2013 19:28:26 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51256a2a6bb3f7cd0100002d
While George was playing cowboy in Iraq and Afghanistan, good job, Georgie.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/512561e36bb3f7517100001eFredWed, 20 Feb 2013 18:53:07 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/512561e36bb3f7517100001e
The US might consider hacking into Chinese companies in retaliation. That would seem to be the obvious solution.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51255be9ecad04c875000019JimBob789Wed, 20 Feb 2013 18:27:37 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51255be9ecad04c875000019
Private corporations that are being hacked, should privately engage hackers to send Stuxnet-type worms back to the Chinese computers. It would not be government sponsored. And if the worm is sent back via the same email the Chinese hacker had used to Physh the US company, there would be no way the Chinese could complain. The above present a large business opportunity for US white-black hat hackers: Defense via Offense. Think of it...http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51255a3a69bedd282b000008KCRobWed, 20 Feb 2013 18:20:26 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51255a3a69bedd282b000008
Just think, all the hardware China uses in this effort probably has "Apple", "Dell", and "HP" logos on the boxes... and ditto for the integrated circuits within.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5125545a6bb3f7915b000003xyz past technologyWed, 20 Feb 2013 17:55:22 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5125545a6bb3f7915b000003
It's something of a cruel joke that people were probably more secure with older tech (paper, computers with no internet access). That way people had to actually show up to steal your secrets.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51254518eab8ea2b76000001sweetdougWed, 20 Feb 2013 16:50:16 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51254518eab8ea2b76000001
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More weasels, advocating gutlessness and capitulation in the face the enemy.
That's going to work out well. Not.
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PS. That comment made it into the bleachers?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51253fc8ecad046f43000009Karl HungusWed, 20 Feb 2013 16:27:36 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51253fc8ecad046f43000009
They want some intellectual property? How about we let them get up close and personal with some nukes?
That may actually make the air in Shanghai cleaner though.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51253e0aeab8ea0b6200000fwhatWed, 20 Feb 2013 16:20:10 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51253e0aeab8ea0b6200000f
Easy to deal with... do it back to them until they ask for mercy. Oh and deny you're doing ithttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/51253bb86bb3f7da2f000004jasnoWed, 20 Feb 2013 16:10:16 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51253bb86bb3f7da2f000004
People and states will never stop hacking each other. It is the immune system of the internet. Why even try to stop it with political means? Those who live by the sword (or packet router) will die by it just as easily.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51253b40ecad04e93c000008BubblePlotWed, 20 Feb 2013 16:08:16 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51253b40ecad04e93c000008
Yep, good o' GAFTA and how I remember this was the end all be all thanks to the supporters in the Democratic and Republican ranks. I knew better, but of course my stock portfolio did not bias my decisions.
This is what you get when dealing with the devil.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/512533f569beddfd4b00002aDue to shortsighted US policiesWed, 20 Feb 2013 15:37:09 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/512533f569beddfd4b00002a
NSA and FBI fought the building in of strong security in the '90s. They were far more concerned about continued ability to intecept communications and access data than they were about safeguarding US corporations' and citizens' data.
See, for example, "Clipper chip" or the early history of Pretty Good Privacy.
Since security could not be built in at inception, retrofitting security into networks, operating systems, middleware, databases, and widely used applications has been tardy, expensive, and ineffective.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/512533ee69bedd5449000017YoungBuckWed, 20 Feb 2013 15:37:02 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/512533ee69bedd5449000017
No. They won't. Simple as that.
China doesn't one whit about your civil liberties.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/512533eaecad04dc2f000004efdWed, 20 Feb 2013 15:36:58 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/512533eaecad04dc2f000004
haha You Americans making me laughing my ass off.
A country with spy agencies like CIA, AFISRA, INSCOM, DIA, MCIA, NGA, NSA, ONI, OICI, I&A, CGI, FBI, INR, TFI not to mention 100s of military bases around the world spying on every countries known to man wants to play fair. Funny how all of the sudden all these "American Corporations" are getting hacked when Obama wants to pass cybersecurity bill. What is the most funny part is your rights are being taken away little by little and you don't even see it.
SOPA, PIPA, CISPA, WhateverPA will get passed under the cybersecurity and there is nothing you can do about it. Time to said goodbye to your internet freedom.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5125318869bedd4a4300000bJeff Matthews Snarky TurdWed, 20 Feb 2013 15:26:48 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5125318869bedd4a4300000b
Obviously, it is not Obama's fault that China attacked us. His lack of action or leadership in responding to the threat, a well known-longstanding intrusion, is why the hacking continues and is likely to continue until he goes home to Chicago...or Kenya or ..
Our country is under cyber attack by another country. Being "Present" isn't enough.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/512530b0ecad04372b000009patriot39485Wed, 20 Feb 2013 15:23:12 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/512530b0ecad04372b000009
Look, they want to finalize complete, utter, and total corporate/government control of all information, and these days that means the Web. The Wild West era of freely available real information by real people must end, bad for business and certainly bad when you're trying to maintain a Permanent Global War Machine. They tried hard the first time to kill the free and open web with SOPA. That was luckily defeated by the plebes. Now the guy who killed it has been hounded into suicide so they've re-introduced the bill as CISPA. And these suddenly "urgent" stories about Chinese hacking surface just as they try and ramrod the bill through.OMG there's another boogieman under the bed! This is getting so friggin' transparent it's nauseating.
Stuff we can tell our grandchildren about. "We used to be able to communicate directly with one another, and anyone used to be able to publish anything they wanted for others to read, all for free".http://www.businessinsider.com/c/512530416bb3f7ed19000006MaerskWed, 20 Feb 2013 15:21:21 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/512530416bb3f7ed19000006
According to the founder of Cybersecurity firm Mandian, even his mother's hairy and smelly kunt was hacked and her chery stolen by the Chinese. As a result, a Chinese copy was born.
He should be thankful to his Chinese father for giving life to him because his father could easily have flushed him down the toilet along with the tissue.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51252f6e6bb3f7a217000014specularWed, 20 Feb 2013 15:17:50 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51252f6e6bb3f7a217000014
Will tin foil hats help!?!?!
Beware the Chinese they don't play fair - ever.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51252e1469beddbf3a000025MaerskWed, 20 Feb 2013 15:12:04 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51252e1469beddbf3a000025
What about the cheap Chinese dudos that you bought for the price of one? Without the Chinese made dudos you would still be using your fingers.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51252ddfeab8eafc3c00000dsomeoneWed, 20 Feb 2013 15:11:11 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51252ddfeab8eafc3c00000d
"Is this a one billion dollar problem, or is this a one trillion dollar problem?"
He left out the obvious answer: it is a million dollar problem.
I've set up my owner server and the logs shows there are hacking attempts from IPs all over the world.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51252cbc69bedded37000056Forgetting Something?Wed, 20 Feb 2013 15:06:20 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51252cbc69bedded37000056
Do not underestimate these corporate attacks. It's the first couple pawn moves in the chess game. As more and more infrastructure gets hooked up to the internet to become "smart" (think smart power grids, smart intersections, etc) the more dangerous these hack attempts on private companies that manage such networks can become. Imagine a war where instead of sending missiles at each other we simply try to destroy digital systems. With a couple strokes of a keyboard maybe they could disable streetlights to cause massive traffic accidents, or shut off all power to a hospital that kills people in surgeries or on life support.
Also, don't forget this is a two-way street. I'm sure many American hackers are trying to steal Chinese secrets while they try to steal ours. Back in 2001 an American spyplane was forced down after a collision with a Chinese fighter. In 2002 China found 20 bugs in the Boeing-made 767 for the Premiere!
<a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1382025/Chinese-presidential-plane-bugged.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" >http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1382025/Chinese-presidential-plane-bugged.html</a>
And I bet the CIA/NSA celebrated and said "they didn't find numbers 21-43!"http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51252b98ecad044120000022Jim_99Wed, 20 Feb 2013 15:01:28 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51252b98ecad044120000022
I have to admit that this is just what the US deserves. Our politicians outsourced all of our jobs and means of production to these people and this is what we get in return. I think it serves everyone, especially all the pro-China advocates around today. Good for the Chinese!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51252a5becad04581e000002ModernwarfareWed, 20 Feb 2013 14:56:11 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51252a5becad04581e000002
The Chinese are waging war against us - and it's a multi-front war; military, economic and cyber.
We know their military threat against us and our allies. Their economic warfare includes their currency war, the destruction of American jobs from Ohio to North Carolina and their effort to collude with the Russians to displace the US dollar as the international reserve currency.
Their cyber warfare, being waged against us every single day, is the most potent one. It could literally become the 21st-century equivalent of the Cold War nuclear warfare, bringing our entire power, financial and infrastructure systems down. It would be as destructive as raining missiles on one of our major cities.
We need to start smoking out those who are overtly and covertly supporting the Chinese strategy right here in our country.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5125297d6bb3f72b08000056BonnieWed, 20 Feb 2013 14:52:29 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5125297d6bb3f72b08000056
The answer to me is simple. Stop buying cheap Chinese S**T.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/512527eeeab8ea8d32000005kfc chicken wingWed, 20 Feb 2013 14:45:50 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/512527eeeab8ea8d32000005
China will stop hacking when the NSA stops intercepting/storing every phone call and email. simple as that.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/512525a169bedde92800000fjacknWed, 20 Feb 2013 14:36:01 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/512525a169bedde92800000f
Yep, ur right. This is obama's fault. This kind of stuff didn't happen before him.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5125251669beddec28000003Jeff Matthews Snarky TurdWed, 20 Feb 2013 14:33:42 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5125251669beddec28000003
Our prospects of stopping Chinese government hacking are poor because the "present" occupant of the White House refuses or is incapable of leadership.
If we had a leader in the WH, he need only pointedly ask/cajole US companies to diversify their supply chains while noting that he would not be responsible for disruptions that might result from over-reliance on a single country. "US foreign and trade policy will not be held hostage to their imprudence" or something like that. China would get the point but he could amplify it privately.
A few months later the US would be free to charge IP duties etc on Chinese imports using stolen tech etc... but the issue would likely be resolved before it reached that point.