He's been asked to play the 5 spot in Portland and i think he's done well but they now want a legit Center so that makes him dispensible. But if the Raps make him a starting PF, he's probably do better.

Thoughts?

Wed Apr 10th, 2013, 03:27 PM

Soft Euro

Hickson is reportedly notoriously bad on defense; I haven't seen much of him this year, but from all I've read he's going to be overpaid for underwhelming play and some nice boxscore stats from time to time.

Wed Apr 10th, 2013, 03:40 PM

white men can't jump

I think he could be an option...but far from an ideal one. Hopefully only a guy they would get if they're unable to acquire one of their top targets.

Wed Apr 10th, 2013, 03:43 PM

TheGloveinRapsUniform

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Soft Euro wrote:

Hickson is reportedly notoriously bad on defense; I haven't seen much of him this year, but from all I've read he's going to be overpaid for underwhelming play and some nice boxscore stats from time to time.

His DRtg is 106. Bosh is 103, Amir is 104 and Griffin is 102. So i guess its not that bad. Considering Portland is 108 and Aldridge is 107. If he plays beside a good defender like JV, his defense will probably rate higher than current.

I havent seen him play though, im wondering if he has a good post up game.

Wed Apr 10th, 2013, 03:47 PM

Soft Euro

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TheGloveinRapsUniform wrote:

His DRtg is 106. Bosh is 103, Amir is 104 and Griffin is 102. So i guess its not that bad. Considering Portland is 108 and Aldridge is 107. If he plays beside a good defender like JV, his defense will probably rate higher than current.

I havent seen him play though, im wondering if he has a good post up game.

The Blazers allow a lot of points in the paint and he's playing C; that can't be good.

Wed Apr 10th, 2013, 03:47 PM

WJF

For the money he will want and the fact that he is only 1 year younger than Amir, I say no thanks. He may score a little more than Amir and rebound a little better, but he does not seem to move the ball well or block shots for a big, also shoots less than 70% free throws.

Wed Apr 10th, 2013, 03:51 PM

TheGloveinRapsUniform

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Soft Euro wrote:

The Blazers allow a lot of points in the paint and he's playing C; that can't be good.

At 6'9" he's not supposed to be a center. But he's playing center and LA who is way taller than him is playing PF. If you can slide him to PF and with JV at C, that could be a good tandem. The guy has wide body and uses his muscle in the paint.

If he has a legit post up game, i think he deserves consideration.

Wed Apr 10th, 2013, 03:53 PM

Hugmenot

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TheGloveinRapsUniform wrote:

What do you guys think of JJ Hickson?

Seem like a younger, cheaper Carlos Boozer.

He's been asked to play the 5 spot in Portland and i think he's done well but they now want a legit Center so that makes him dispensible. But if the Raps make him a starting PF, he's probably do better.

Thoughts?

Talented, hands of stone, disinterested defender at best, very difficult to coach. That was Hickson when he was in Cleveland.

He was waived by the Kings less than 1 season after they paid a first round pick + Assfingers to acquire his services. That says a lot about his character and it's consistent with the character he displayed in Cleveland.

He has put up better stats with the Trail Blazers.

But it's JJ and I can't get rid of the memories of his days in Cleveland; I do not want him on a team I support.

Wed Apr 10th, 2013, 04:17 PM

Soft Euro

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TheGloveinRapsUniform wrote:

At 6'9" he's not supposed to be a center. But he's playing center and LA who is way taller than him is playing PF. If you can slide him to PF and with JV at C, that could be a good tandem. The guy has wide body and uses his muscle in the paint.

If he has a legit post up game, i think he deserves consideration.

Looking at the situational stats over at synergy, he doesn't do very well in post-ups, 0,72 ppp. His defensive stats at synergy are pretty terrible though, even if he plays out of position.

Wed Apr 10th, 2013, 04:20 PM

TheGloveinRapsUniform

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Looking at the situational stats over at synergy, he doesn't do very well in post-ups, 0,72 ppp. His defensive stats at synergy are pretty terrible though, even if he plays out of position.

Ack. Nevermind then. Back to Millsap.

Wed Apr 10th, 2013, 04:21 PM

Chr1s1anL

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TheGloveinRapsUniform wrote:

His DRtg is 106. Bosh is 103, Amir is 104 and Griffin is 102. So i guess its not that bad. Considering Portland is 108 and Aldridge is 107. If he plays beside a good defender like JV, his defense will probably rate higher than current.

I havent seen him play though, im wondering if he has a good post up game.

Is Jonas a good defender?

Wed Apr 10th, 2013, 10:51 PM

NoPropsneeded

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Is Jonas a good defender?

He's a Rookie...

Thu Apr 11th, 2013, 06:53 AM

mcHAPPY

Beware the contract year.

Thu Apr 11th, 2013, 07:45 AM

Axel

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Beware the contract year.

Hickson is a decent player, but he is certainly playing above himself right now. Contract year might say it all, but at the same time, he is a young athletic big (a bit undersized at 6'9"), who is still learning the game. He only played 1 year at NC State, so he wasn't really NBA ready when he joined the league. Portland is one of the worst rebounding teams in the league, depsite having 2 athletic bigs. I would take Hickson on a value contract, but this year he will likely get over-paid by someone, negating many of the benefits. Last year would have been the year to take a flier on him (as Portland did) but with a team option.

His offensive game is pretty non-existent except for dunks and put-backs.

Thu Apr 11th, 2013, 09:01 AM

phez

what do you people want exactly, that somehow the raptors will sign the nba's most perfect center?

boozer's d is no better than hickson. they have no lateral movement. if anything boozer has a slight advantage in this dept because of his size. neither have the height, but make up for it in other ways. boozer's post game is "alright" (not the best, but not terrible). hickson has no post game yet somehow still manages to find the net with much frequency.

if youre going to sign either of these two its for their offensive abilities, not their d. and thats prob something raptors need. amir-jv as an offensive duo is pretty embarrassing. but pair up with a forward like boozer or hickson, sounds a bit better on paper.

Thu Apr 11th, 2013, 10:30 AM

Axel

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phez wrote:

what do you people want exactly, that somehow the raptors will sign the nba's most perfect center?

boozer's d is no better than hickson. they have no lateral movement. if anything boozer has a slight advantage in this dept because of his size. neither have the height, but make up for it in other ways. boozer's post game is "alright" (not the best, but not terrible). hickson has no post game yet somehow still manages to find the net with much frequency.

if youre going to sign either of these two its for their offensive abilities, not their d. and thats prob something raptors need. amir-jv as an offensive duo is pretty embarrassing. but pair up with a forward like boozer or hickson, sounds a bit better on paper.

I like both players, but with our very limited financial wiggle-room, we need to make sure we sign high value contracts. Hickson is a year too late for that as he is going to turn his good season with Portland into a bigger pay-day then he probably deserves.

Boozer's deal is just an albatross, but if it's him for Barg's, then thats a fine upgrade on the court with not a huge financial burden. He is old, slow, and defensively challenged, but he can score the on the low block, and that is the specific skill this team needs more of.

I like both players, but with our very limited financial wiggle-room, we need to make sure we sign high value contracts. Hickson is a year too late for that as he is going to turn his good season with Portland into a bigger pay-day then he probably deserves.

Boozer's deal is just an albatross, but if it's him for Barg's, then thats a fine upgrade on the court with not a huge financial burden. He is old, slow, and defensively challenged, but he can score the on the low block, and that is the specific skill this team needs more of.

The only way we get either guy is through trade, and ostensibly that trade has to include Bargs to make salaries work. Therefore, if we got Boozer the size of his deal is immaterial, since we wouldn't have cap space with Bargs on the books the next 2 years anyways. So you just have to compare Bargs and Boozer straight up and Boozer wins in a landslide. I really see that as the deal BC pushes for as soon as the season is done, since ownership would surely give him one more year to see if that team could make the playoffs (if they didn't, it'd be 100% on Casey's shoulders, as that is too much talent not to be a playoff team).

correct if im wrong isnt this a red flag on the play? hes playing well and blazers just letting him walk? hmmmmm

Thu Apr 11th, 2013, 01:56 PM

JawsGT

If we are going for a free agent PF, than I would go after Millsap before Hickson. Will no doubt be a much larger contract, but I think Millsap would be a more valuable piece going forward. Personally, I'd just assume have a grinder next to JV and let JV do the bulk of the offensive work for our starting big guys. I know he is young but I have no issues putting that on his shoulders next year. The Raps aren't going to be a top 4 east team next year regardless of who they pick-up, so I say give the young man the ball next season and see where he can take us.