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lestshall on "I'm new and interested in a Psychlo X"http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=11960#post-127357
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</p>d_douglas on "I'm new and interested in a Psychlo X"http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=11960#post-18769
Wed, 03 Oct 2012 22:26:13 +0000d_douglas18769@http://moots.com/bbpress/<p>Oupla! Jerome - t'es un 'fan' de Moots?!?! HA HA! Merci bien pour les conseils!!!
</p>Jerome on "I'm new and interested in a Psychlo X"http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=11960#post-18220
Mon, 01 Oct 2012 21:28:41 +0000Jerome18220@http://moots.com/bbpress/<p>Buy one<br />
no hesitation </p>
<p>you can't get a better bike and a better bike on the market right now </p>
<p>if you ride you will discover another dimension </p>
<p>and believe then you will think that those guys are crazy to sell them for so few ! </p>
<p>a Moots is not expensive enough in regard of its qualities.</p>
<p>you can't invest your money in a better place </p>
<p>a Moots is more like education you will end up being a better person
</p>d_douglas on "I'm new and interested in a Psychlo X"http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=11960#post-18218
Mon, 01 Oct 2012 21:00:49 +0000d_douglas18218@http://moots.com/bbpress/<p>Ha ha - yes, it is under way. I don't race (though getting the itch to get punished). I have gone out with two buddies who are racers and it is good fun to chase them, though I seem to get dropped very easily ;). </p>
<p>Yes, I suppose that adding a 10mm ti spacer might make up the difference. For the $$ though, I do not want to cheap out and angrily conclude that the frame doesn't feel right. I have one custom bike (a road Speedvagen) and it feels so perfect to ride - the fit is dead on. I want to capture that in a ti CX bike, hopefully a Moots . . . .
</p>29ner on "I'm new and interested in a Psychlo X"http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=11960#post-17753
Sat, 29 Sep 2012 13:44:29 +000029ner17753@http://moots.com/bbpress/<p>Frame companies love you as you sound about as normal a human as possible. 6'1", 33" inseam, 120 stem, 17.5 ht (which is tall). But, with Moots being able to 'custom' a ht (within the cm or two that Jon mentioned), available spacers (or not), different reach/rise stems available - that crosser should be able to be dialed in easy. </p>
<p>So, custom with you?....that's a good chunk of money for a centimeter (give or take) of front end height.</p>
<p>Killer fun bikes!..................and better hurry, cross season is well under way.
</p>d_douglas on "I'm new and interested in a Psychlo X"http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=11960#post-17351
Fri, 28 Sep 2012 21:57:59 +0000d_douglas17351@http://moots.com/bbpress/<p>Jon: </p>
<p>Thanks for this information. I ride a 120mm stem on my bike with 15mm spacers. Keep in mind that there will be no cable hanger, as I will be using disc brakes. </p>
<p>So, it appears that my 175mm TT on my road bike is 20mm taller than a 'ballpark' fitted Moots - maybe I am not understanding correctly - - are you saying that this variance is made up for in the longer fork leg length? </p>
<p>Thanks again, </p>
<p>Darren
</p>Full Mootion on "I'm new and interested in a Psychlo X"http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=11960#post-17199
Fri, 28 Sep 2012 16:18:25 +0000Full Mootion17199@http://moots.com/bbpress/<p>A fine Moots dealer by the name of Wrench Science has a great on line fit system that will get you " in the ballpark". It's free here's the link - </p>
<p><a href="https://www.wrenchscience.com/Login.aspx?ReturnUrl=%2fSecure%2fFit%2fHeight.aspx" rel="nofollow">https://www.wrenchscience.com/Login.aspx?ReturnUrl=%2fSecure%2fFit%2fHeight.aspx</a> </p>
<p>Pay attention to the details and description on how to measure. For the minute fine details that give the perfect dialed in fit there is no substitute for in in person fitting from a professional.
</p>JonC on "I'm new and interested in a Psychlo X"http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=11960#post-17168
Fri, 28 Sep 2012 14:28:10 +0000JonC17168@http://moots.com/bbpress/<p>Darren,</p>
<p>No, you would want to keep the HT as normal. Let's say we are looking at the 58cm PX, it has a 15.5cm ht, where the 58 Vamoots CR has a 16.5 ht....but has a much shorter seat tube, therefore we run a sloping top tube. With the cross we want to keep the top tube reasonably level @ 2.6 degrees vs. 6.7 on the CR...plus keep in mind you will run a brake hanger under the stem which adds 10mm off the bat. So really the longer fork brings you to a more upright position, which is what you want on a cross bike. Not drastic, but better for dirt/trail/cyclocross style of terrain.</p>
<p>Your measurements lead me to believe you would need a custom. Like you said, don't jeopardize the fit....</p>
<p>What stem lenght do you have on your road bike?</p>
<p>Let me know.</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>Jon@Moots
</p>d_douglas on "I'm new and interested in a Psychlo X"http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=11960#post-16533
Thu, 27 Sep 2012 05:40:15 +0000d_douglas16533@http://moots.com/bbpress/<p>Hi Jon: </p>
<p>Thanks for this feedback. No, I would definitely not want to jeopardize the quality of fit or aesthetic of the bike by limiting myself to a stock bike. If it can't be fit without minor changes, then it is best to do custom (though delivering me outside my price limit!) Fit is more important than hitting a price point if I am about to shell out for such a nice, expensive frame. </p>
<p>I will speak to a local pro at fitting and Moots and see what they say. A quick query netted that they will do a fit and have a look at my road bike (my only custom) </p>
<p>Bascially, I am 6'1" and a 33" inseam (or thereabouts - my Saddle to BB spindle measurement is 80cm). My road bike has a 57.5cm TT with a 175mm HT and an Enve fork. Given that a CX fork has longer legs (395mm vs 370mm or so for road), does this mean the HT could be 25mm shorter in order to get the bar to the same height? I imagine that I would want the bar a bit higher for trail riding, but your first impressions are appreciated. </p>
<p>Thanks! </p>
<p>Darren
</p>JonC on "I'm new and interested in a Psychlo X"http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=11960#post-16478
Wed, 26 Sep 2012 14:46:15 +0000JonC16478@http://moots.com/bbpress/<p>d_douglas,<br />
We can go to a bit longer HT (1cm) without going custom and adding charges. Going more than that will require custom as we don't like to expose too much head tube above the top tube...the reason is... going too far over the top point of the top tube will cause the head tube to warp during welding....and it just plain looks bad.</p>
<p>To do a tweak to the top tube lenght does require a full custom. Changing the lenght of that tube will affect the rest of the front triangle...thus needing a custom build.</p>
<p>How tall are you? And what is your inseam? I can give you my insight into sizing, but really encourage a visit to a dealer to dial this in.</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>Jon@Moots
</p>d_douglas on "I'm new and interested in a Psychlo X"http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=11960#post-16411
Wed, 26 Sep 2012 03:25:58 +0000d_douglas16411@http://moots.com/bbpress/<p>Hello all: </p>
<p>I am new to the forum and have been a long time admirer of all things Moots. I am in the process of buyin a fi disc brake only all rounder / CX bike to do it all and compliment my pure road bike and my 26er. </p>
<p>I have exotic tastes (and not so much money) so I have been admiring other more unique ti bikes in webland, but whenever I ask someone in a shop what brands to consider, they say Moots every time - this is a sign! </p>
<p>In looking at the geo chart for the PsychloX (the $3095) one, the HTs seem too short for me and quite possibly, I am in between sizes 56.5 and 58cm. I am normally proportioned and don't need special goes but these don't seem to work. To te a slightly longer HT , do I actually need to go custom or does Moots allow minor changes? I know minor is relative and at the discretion of the company... </p>
<p>Any thoughts on this would be appreciated - I love these bikes but am hard capped at $3100 + fork - poor me ;)</p>
<p>Thanks for any thoughts.
</p>Drdan1 on "hydraulic brake line for older YBB without thru cable guides?"http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=2573#post-5758
Sun, 15 Jan 2012 18:21:56 +0000Drdan15758@http://moots.com/bbpress/<p>IF most likely means that the shot peening does alter the metal mechanically, but at the surface level, much like anodization alters titanium superficially. The "skin" if you will, alters the mechanical properties of the entire tube.</p>
<p>I like the look of the shot peened frame, but to me, the Moots finish is more sophisticated, yet subtle. It's not without reason they've kept their particular finish over the years, and offer no options.
</p>tjwall78 on "hydraulic brake line for older YBB without thru cable guides?"http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=2573#post-5756
Sun, 15 Jan 2012 17:40:30 +0000tjwall785756@http://moots.com/bbpress/<p>I find it interesting that on the IF web site they state it has to be the final finish other then paint and if you bead blast, brush or even polish over a shot peened finish it will undo the mechanical benefits. If it truly is a much harder finish that changes the mechanical proprieties of a metal I find it weird that the mechianial benefits that it added can be brushed or polished away.
</p>JonC on "hydraulic brake line for older YBB without thru cable guides?"http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=2573#post-5572
Tue, 10 Jan 2012 16:19:58 +0000JonC5572@http://moots.com/bbpress/<p>edebolt,<br />
That's a good question....I'm calling an engineer on this one. I'll be back with an answer.</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>Jon@Moots
</p>edebolt on "hydraulic brake line for older YBB without thru cable guides?"http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=2573#post-5337
Thu, 05 Jan 2012 05:26:42 +0000edebolt5337@http://moots.com/bbpress/<p>Jon</p>
<p>I would be interested if a harder surface like the shotpeen could allow for more tube butting without durability issues such as denting.</p>
<p>I contacted IF and they will have a frame shotpeened for $300 plus $75 return shipping. They are definitely pricing some profit in that so I imagine the cost is quite a bit less.
</p>JonC on "hydraulic brake line for older YBB without thru cable guides?"http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=2573#post-5260
Tue, 03 Jan 2012 15:42:10 +0000JonC5260@http://moots.com/bbpress/<p>Good topics here fellas, thanks for the input. </p>
<p>Shot peening might (on a very small level) add to the surface hardness of titanium, but really it's accomplishing a similar goal of our bead blast, which is to 1. Give the frame a uniform finish, 2. Relieve any stress that has been built into the frame during the weld and alignment process. The shot peen finish is a bit different vs. our bead blast finish, it leaves the tubes a bit rougher and up close can look a bit "orange peeled"......not a bad thing, just different to our bead blast finish we have been using for years</p>
<p>We are certain the finish would have no bearing on ride difference from one method to the next. </p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>Jon@Moots
</p>29ner on "hydraulic brake line for older YBB without thru cable guides?"http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=2573#post-5258
Tue, 03 Jan 2012 15:18:44 +000029ner5258@http://moots.com/bbpress/<p>I would have to agree with sbsbiker. I can imagine it adds anything to the ride quality - that is achieved by what he states. Also, Moots doesn't bead blast (although that's waht everyone calls it). It's a glass blast and expensive stuff. That shot peening must be hugely expensive after viewing the process - plus shipping the frames to and from the factory. Is it overkill? Probably - I mean, these are bicycles afterall - not the leading edge of a supersonic aircraft wing. I would think that IF sends them a batch of frames and they are peened as a batch and when the factory is 'slow' or after hours. </p>
<p>Interesting though......
</p>sbsbiker on "hydraulic brake line for older YBB without thru cable guides?"http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=2573#post-5256
Tue, 03 Jan 2012 15:02:32 +0000sbsbiker5256@http://moots.com/bbpress/<p>Sorry, but it's hard to see how the finish looks from that little head tube shot. Maybe my iPad will not blow up that thumbnail enough. No matter the appearence I don't think any surface application would alter the ride quality enough for anyone to notice. Adding a more durable surface may help long term scratch and dent resistance, but (IMHO) the real ride quality is a combination of the quality of the build, design and tube selection. Interesting that peening adds 100x to the strength of welds in the aerospace applications, I guess a Moots with this treatment would then last 100lifetimes. Heirloom.
</p>edebolt on "hydraulic brake line for older YBB without thru cable guides?"http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=2573#post-5253
Tue, 03 Jan 2012 13:44:07 +0000edebolt5253@http://moots.com/bbpress/<p>SBSbiker</p>
<p>Click on the photo and the enlarged size is decent detail. I have surfed around the Independent site and it does seem like the finishes vary or at least look different. Some to me anyway almost look the same as the Moots finish.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ifrider.com/titanium-deluxe-24/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ifrider.com/titanium-deluxe-24/</a></p>
<p>this surface to me looks much more shiny and imagine even closer up it looks compressed or forged. While that might be stronger I suppose it could also stiffen the ride and diminish that silky Titanium feel we are all addicted to.</p>
<p>Anyway I thought I would bring it up because it seems interesting but I have to wonder if its so great why haven't other high end builders copied it.</p>
<p>Frame fabricators in general and Moots in particular are a fairly pragmatic bunch of people
</p>sbsbiker on "hydraulic brake line for older YBB without thru cable guides?"http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=2573#post-5241
Tue, 03 Jan 2012 05:43:35 +0000sbsbiker5241@http://moots.com/bbpress/<p>That pic really doesn't show how the frame looks. It's too small. I would like to see better photos and wonder how hard it would be to get a uniform finish with such a process.
</p>edebolt on "hydraulic brake line for older YBB without thru cable guides?"http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=2573#post-5238
Tue, 03 Jan 2012 03:59:13 +0000edebolt5238@http://moots.com/bbpress/<p>DrDan and Satellite</p>
<p>Thanks for the inputs.</p>
<p>I think I might try the Problem solvers and like you say its a small cost and see if I like them. It does make sense the hydraulic line is stiffer and would not move around like a cable.</p>
<p>Or at some point maybe get a pro to drill out the stops.</p>
<p>On the shot peening it definitely looks like other industries such as aerospace and auto racing do consider shot peening far more durable. Why doesn't Moots shotpeen? could be a number of reasons. Could change the ride quality. Can't do it in house etc. More expensive.</p>
<p>I am somewhat interested in shot peening for surface durability. The Moots bead blast finish is beautiful but rubs off and scratches easily. Quite a few Ti frames just use brushed surface which can be restored easily with a scotch brite pad or light polishing. </p>
<p>It does beg the question why more Ti builders don't shot peen.
</p>Satellite on "hydraulic brake line for older YBB without thru cable guides?"http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=2573#post-5220
Mon, 02 Jan 2012 18:56:11 +0000Satellite5220@http://moots.com/bbpress/<p>Do they attach well and stay put?</p>
<p>I don't think I would want to drill the cable stop out either.</p>
<p>What happens in the middle of the top tube? does the line flop around or do you just add a rubber collar etc so it doesn't slap the tube?</p>
<p>edebolt,</p>
<p>Yes they work very well, I use them on my Mootaineer with 4" of travel, way more dynamic suspension than the YBB, I have never noticed any flopping around. Keep in mind that hydraulic brake line isn't under the same tension force that mechanical brake cables are. Mechanical brake cables are like a piano wire that oscillate under vibration, hydraulic brake line is also wrapped with the plastic outer layer. </p>
<p>Try the problem solvers first, they are easy and require no modifications to your frame. If you don't like them in the end you're out very little investment, if you slip while cutting our your existing cable guides you are out a huge investment. </p>
<p>As for shot peening, I say it's marketing hype or why wouldn't all the ti builders be doing it. Of all the Ti builders IF is the only company using it. Nothing against IF and there processes, but there is a reason Moots and others offer a lifetime warranty; simply because customers don't need to ever use the warranty, Titanium bikes are solid. Perhaps if the failure rate was higher on Moots then they would look into more durable processes like shot peening (if the claims are true) but it is simply NOT needed.</p>
<p>Try the problem solvers once you get them I am sure you will be satisfied and ride the heck out of that YBB. I truly don't even notice the cable on mine.</p>
<p>Satellite
</p>Drdan1 on "hydraulic brake line for older YBB without thru cable guides?"http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=2573#post-5218
Mon, 02 Jan 2012 18:49:32 +0000Drdan15218@http://moots.com/bbpress/<p>More information on the process of shot peening can be found here:</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shot_peening" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shot_peening</a>
</p>Drdan1 on "hydraulic brake line for older YBB without thru cable guides?"http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=2573#post-5217
Mon, 02 Jan 2012 18:27:34 +0000Drdan15217@http://moots.com/bbpress/<p>Don't know if Moots would drill out the cable stops, but it should be easy for any competent mechanic to do so. If the shot peening imparts that much more to the frame, it will be good for 10 lifetimes! It does look really nice...
</p>edebolt on "hydraulic brake line for older YBB without thru cable guides?"http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=2573#post-5215
Mon, 02 Jan 2012 17:07:05 +0000edebolt5215@http://moots.com/bbpress/<p>yeah I hear you Drdan. Just had it refinished by Moots about 2 years ago but didn't know the cable guides were an option. </p>
<p>I am quasi interested in getting the Independent Fabrications shotpeen surface treatment for my YBB. It's basically like having an outer layer of forged titanium and reportedly about 10 times longer to failure and widely used in aviation.</p>
<p>Enlarge the photo and check it out !</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ifrider.com/titanium-deluxe-24/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ifrider.com/titanium-deluxe-24/</a></p>
<p>Shot peening is pretty interesting stuff. Just wonder if it changes the ride quality.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.metalimprovement.com/shot_peening.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.metalimprovement.com/shot_peening.php</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.ifbikes.com/?id=40&amp;keepThis=true&amp;TB_iframe=true&amp;height=400&amp;width=500" rel="nofollow">http://www.ifbikes.com/?id=40&amp;keepThis=true&amp;TB_iframe=true&amp;height=400&amp;width=500</a>
</p>Drdan1 on "hydraulic brake line for older YBB without thru cable guides?"http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=2573#post-5209
Mon, 02 Jan 2012 14:22:26 +0000Drdan15209@http://moots.com/bbpress/<p>edebolt, you have a Moots...! Have the cable stop professionally drilled, and the frame bead blasted for a flawless look, as if the hose guide was intended for the original buiild. Add ons look cheap IMHO. Give Moots a call, and find the most aesthetic solution. You'll be glad you spent more $ for an infinitely better solution.
</p>edebolt on "hydraulic brake line for older YBB without thru cable guides?"http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=2573#post-5208
Mon, 02 Jan 2012 14:12:01 +0000edebolt5208@http://moots.com/bbpress/<p>Thanks!!! that's a solid option. </p>
<p>Do they attach well and stay put?</p>
<p>I don't think I would want to drill the cable stop out either.</p>
<p>What happens in the middle of the top tube? does the line flop around or do you just add a rubber collar etc so it doesn't slap the tube?
</p>Satellite on "hydraulic brake line for older YBB without thru cable guides?"http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=2573#post-5207
Mon, 02 Jan 2012 06:49:52 +0000Satellite5207@http://moots.com/bbpress/<p>Here is what I used:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.jensonusa.com/store/product/BR408C14-Problem+Solvers+Brake+Line+Guides.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.jensonusa.com/store/product/BR408C14-Problem+Solvers+Brake+Line+Guides.aspx</a></p>
<p>However mine are silver they look okay. I would rather have the cable guides drilled out, I just wasn't brave enough to do it.</p>
<p>Satellite</p>
<p>Edit: Here is another link to the silver ones: <a href="http://www.treefortbikes.com/product/333222343924/436/Problem-Solvers-Hydraulic.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.treefortbikes.com/product/333222343924/436/Problem-Solvers-Hydraulic.html</a>
</p>edebolt on "hydraulic brake line for older YBB without thru cable guides?"http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=2573#post-5206
Mon, 02 Jan 2012 05:46:51 +0000edebolt5206@http://moots.com/bbpress/<p>Guys</p>
<p>I really don't want to do something hacky like putting zip ties around my toptube.</p>
<p>Anyone figure out an elegant way to use hydraulic brake lines with the old cable stops?
</p>tbill on "Any Di2 Owners?"http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=115#post-768
Mon, 17 Jan 2011 00:50:51 +0000tbill768@http://moots.com/bbpress/<p>Not really Di2 specific, but I discovered that grey cable ties are a great match for the bead-blasted finish, so if you need to tie down cables from a wired cyclo-computer, power meter, etc., the grey cable ties blend in nicely.
</p>