Tyson kidd better than ziggler? You lost all credibility this thread should be terminated.

Yes, he is a better worker than Ziggler in the ring. Tyson is one of the best workers on the planet he like Ziggler also has no charisma. Although I would say Ziggler has a bit more of a personality than Kidd does. However Kidd is the far better ring worker. He can do all styles, while Ziggler can't

I don't know if Ziggler is overrated, but I do see him as something of an underachiver. If was in WCW back in the day, I kind of feel like he'd be one of the nobobies standing around while Hogan gave his stock promo, in that sense, he is on the Mr. Perfect track, maybe?

Ziggler has zero charisma. He is drawing ratings when he is on? Nope. He has nothing other than being given the opportunities to feud with stars like Cena, and win the MITB. Ziggler is the second best worker on the roster? Right. Where did you come up with that?

Using ratings as an argument just devalued all of the opinions that you have been spouting off. At least come up with your own arguments to back up your opinion of Ziggler instead of resorting to what ratings marks spew every day because they cannot come up with their own arguments.

Kidd is the only one worth mentioning but he's done nothing but participate in 3 min matches so he doesn't count worth anything LOL next.

He does house shows, Main Event, NXT, Superstars, Saturday Morning Slam etc. Ziggler doesn't count worth anything either. He is the MITB holder, and not a damn person cares. He feuded with Cena, and nobody cared. They brought Jericho back to feud with him, and still no one cares. I realize Tyson Kidd isn't on Raw, or Smackdown like Ziggler. Hence the whole point of my thread. Ziggler is overrated because he is hardly more entertaining than Tyson Kidd. Neither man has much charisma, but the difference is only one can be on tv more than the other. Next.

Using ratings as an argument just devalued all of the opinions that you have been spouting off. At least come up with your own arguments to back up your opinion of Ziggler instead of resorting to what ratings marks spew every day because they cannot come up with their own arguments.

People aren't tuning in to see him is my point. No one cares if Ziggler isn't on Raw for the next month. Ratings won't decline, nor will they dramatically increase. Get over yourself.