Cuckoo Oak is NOT in Wales. It in Shropshire (Telford & Wrekin Council) in West Midlands but why is Dawley and Stirchley (3 miles away from Cuckoo Oak) is already enabled. Doesn't make any sense to me. There is also other area in Telford had FTTC are: Donnington, Newport, Oakengates, and Wellington.

Re: Angry with Openreach over FTTC row

I appreciate your comments, and I am sure that you already have FTTC in your area. However, in MY area, the Virgin Media connectivity is an absolute joke, with so many drop-offs and disconnections (I've lost so many counts and lost count of how many phone calls to Virgin Media engineers, too). Which is why I think it is appropriate to "complain" that OpenReach isn't even considering Cuckoo Oak, when its neighbouring exchange, Dawley & Stirchley, gets the benefits? Geographically (number of houses per sq.mile), we're very similiar. I left virgin media to join plusnet on ADSL2+ at present, waiting for FTTC,

Re: Angry with Openreach over FTTC row

It would appear that BT don't consider Cuckoo Oak to be currently commercially viable. Is that so hard to understand? You complain yet you have access to VM which is more than many others users.

Many, including many thousands on much larger exchanges than yourself, have access to neither VM nor BT's FTTC/FTTP. For example, I'm on the Vauxhall exchange in central London, 22,750 residential premises, yet I have no access to either VM or FTTC/FTTP. The reason? Despite being over 2km from the exchange all of the lines on my late 1980s development are Exchange Only and with 75 units the development is too small for BT to consider installing a local PCP cab and an FTTC twin.

Re: Angry with Openreach over FTTC row

Looking at the wider area- Openreach are enabling 2 exchanges for FTTC near Telford for 2013- Openreach also has 3 exchanges its enabling in Wolverhampton- with a further 5 with 2013 dates.

Once that work has been completed it will leave 2 exchanges left in Telford that are not currently part of the rollout- Cuckoo Oak being one of them, just have to wait till Openreach announce the next set of exchanges- they cannot be everywhere at once.

Re: Angry with Openreach over FTTC row

Which is why I think it is appropriate to "complain" that OpenReach isn't even considering Cuckoo Oak, when its neighbouring exchange, Dawley & Stirchley, gets the benefits? Geographically (number of houses per sq.mile), we're very similiar.

As others have said - some exchanges have been determined as viable, others not (and the same at individual cabinet level).

When this happens, there will be neighbouring exchanges in *exactly* your situation - where one is converted, and the other is not. It might be a fair question to ask Why, but not necessarily to rant about. It will happen *everywhere*.

In terms of numbers, you might be similar. Geographically, you might be similar. Or perhaps Dawley has a split between dense & sparse areas, while you are more evenly spread. Topographically, you might be dissimilar. Demographically, you might be dissimilar - perhaps they predict a smaller take-up in your area. The competition might be different. The exchange building might have different problems to overcome. There might be significantly more problems in getting power to more of the cabinets. There are many factors.

You might find that, based on BT's profitability criteria, your neighbouring exchange just squeaks over by 0.1%, while your exchange just falls under by 0.1%.

Now think about those BT criteria on profitability. Right now, in the presence of possible BDUK funding subsidies, you won't find BT "bending the rules" on the concept of profitability. The EU has to OK the concept of government subsidies, and BT will need to prove its numbers - and it won't be able to do so when it is "fudging" in some places. If anything, BDUK will have made BT be *more* clinical about its decisions.

If your exchange is indeed very similar, then it is either unannounced yet (unlikely - even BT says they've announced almost all the commercially-viable exchanges now) or it is likely to be in the set that gets announced as BDUK funding comes in. It might not be BT that gets the BDUK funding, but the council would (presumably) make sure the funding went to exchange areas being left out.

Unless, of course, Cuckoo Oak is being caught up in the Telford & Wrekin withdrawal from BDUK funding. In which case you are being affected by BDUK being around, but get no advantage. Perhaps the council is the best place to complain to?

Re: Angry with Openreach over FTTC row

It would appear that BT don't consider Cuckoo Oak to be currently commercially viable. Is that so hard to understand? You complain yet you have access to VM which is more than many others users.

Many, including many thousands on much larger exchanges than yourself, have access to neither VM nor BT's FTTC/FTTP. For example, I'm on the Vauxhall exchange in central London, 22,750 residential premises, yet I have no access to either VM or FTTC/FTTP. The reason? Despite being over 2km from the exchange all of the lines on my late 1980s development are Exchange Only and with 75 units the development is too small for BT to consider installing a local PCP cab and an FTTC twin.

What is commercially viable? seems the amount of people connected has no baring. I thought it would have.