actually, I think he was talking about my reply. Bruce, you are wrong...the way you worded it made it sound as though the goal was to train for 'no fear'. I simply pointed out that training for 'no fear' was unwise.If you were trying to say the same thing, then my appologies for rewording your post, it hasn't been the first time I've unintentionally done that in other's posts.

wondering why you felt the need to insult. you know how fragile we are here.

No, Harlan, I don't agree. There is a very basic issue that needs to be examined and its a theme that permeates ALL of the areas on this website.

That issue is whether or not people here are going to continue with business as usual, or if they will accept full responsibility for developing a website and push for its development.

This is the same issue that face each and every endeavor in the Human experience regardless of the field. Sooner or later one has to ask if people are going to become self-satisfied with "business as usual" or if they are going to continue to refine and improve what they do and how they do it.

Some websites get tired of having their little boats rocked around and will kick people who are pushing for more off their sites. Some websites welcome innovation. In either case it is the responsibility of participants in these sites to do what they can to make them better. THIS is the piece that keeps getting lost. Folks can see change as a threat to what they know OR see change as an opportunity to look at things with better eyes. So far, what I get is that folks here see change as a threat to what they know. As far as I am concerned Mods are not just here to keep things as they are, but to shepard a process of on-going growth. Thoughts?

1. Cord wrote something about fear. 2. you disagreed. 3. I rewrote what Cord wrote (agreeing with the quote). 4. you accused me of just re-writing your post. and then change the subject.

lol...nice try. anyone see the logic flaw there? I think what actually happened Bruce is that after reading my explaination of Cord's quote, you realized you read the quote wrong. I admit, I had to read Cord's quote a few times before knowing what was meant...one of the thoughts along the way was the way you took it to mean...the difference was, I thought about it more before posting. The reason you can't admit this mistake is because you acussed me of doing exactly what you did: your Ego replied quicker than your wisdom.

want to change the subject, fine...none of this has anything to do with the original thread anyway. The first step to 'improvement' Bruce, is admitting mistakes. At first, I thought I was the one who err'd, looking at it closer I realize I was wrong, actually it was you covering up with a clever and subtle tactic in debate strategy. I retract the appology.

".....It is wise for a man without fear to avoid meeting a man without pity ...."

Odd. I had come to believe this was the Purpose for which one trained.

There are many circumstances that exist in this world due to the motives of pity-less individuals.

If one cannot stand before such people, uncowed by one's own fear, and do the right thing, for what purpose have we trained? FWIW.

Best Wishes,

Bruce ......................."

How can I put this, nicely.

How about "you're kind of a moron, aren't you?"

Read the post, Ed. I did not "disagree" with ANYTHING. You're so hot to pick at anything I write that you can no longer read anything I write without finding fault with it either real, or imagined. Maybe you and Joel need to take up light housekeeping together.

Why not take some time over on BULLSHIDO. I'm quite sure you would fit right in with their take on things. You won't ever have to know what you are talking about. You won't have to advocate for anything, take any risks and you can pretend to be clever just like you do here.

why thankya Bruce. I think you misunderstand the concept of a conversation in forums...see when you comment on something (in this case, a quote about fear) and start the comment with "Odd." then that typically means you see something wrong with the previous statement (quote) you are addressing.Odd - Deviating from what is ordinary, usual, or expected; strange or peculiar:

if you thought the quote was a deviation from what you'd expect to be normal...then that is basically a disagreement.got it?