2015 baseball HOF ballot. Topic

Posted by MikeT23 on 2/12/2014 2:09:00 PM (view original):You know what separates us from MLB players? The ability to HIT. I'm pretty sure all of us could stand at the plate and not swing. Or stand at the plate and swing blindly. But we're not going to HIT well enough to get a MLB job. Even though BL thinks Edgar Martinez and Mario Mendoza would produce the same run probability at the plate, Mario Mendoza would get a MLB before any of us.

You think if you were an MLB player that you'd walk as much as Edgar Martinez?

Do you think you could take as many pitches as he did? I could if they'd let me keep the job.

Posted by burnsy483 on 2/12/2014 1:57:00 PM (view original):OK, Mike, so your argument is that he took 16 pitches a year that he could have hit hard, and that's one of the reasons he's not a HOFer?

For ****'s sake, burnsy_luck. Did you read this?

My point, all along, was that I felt EM could have been more valuable to the Mariners by being a tad less selective at the plate. I'm not going to attempt to guess how many pitches he took per season but he walked 100ish times per 162. That's at least 400 pitches we know, without question, that he took. Let's just assume he took a simple 20% of that in strikes. 80 pitches taken for strikes. Let's say a huge amount of those strikes were of the unhittable variety(64 pitches). So, in summation, he could have hit 16 pitches hard but he chose to take them. I think this is a low number but I'll run with it. Had he put 16 balls in plays instead of walking, maybe he gets 5 hits. I think, given the make-up of Seattle's line-up, that would have been preferred over 16 walks.

He likely gets less than 5 hits, which would hurt his team.

Regardless, your argument is that you think Edgar should have traded 16 walks a year for 5 hits. If he did that, what's to keep you from making the same argument? Where's the limit? What do you want his on base percentage to be before you make this argument? How would you know when to make the argument and when not to? Do you see how very limited information you have here? You have NO IDEA how selective Edgar Martinez was.

Why would he get less than 5 hits in 16 perfectly acceptable, hittable pitches that he would swing at on most occassions? That's right in line with his career average. Explain, please.

Posted by MikeT23 on 2/12/2014 2:09:00 PM (view original):You know what separates us from MLB players? The ability to HIT. I'm pretty sure all of us could stand at the plate and not swing. Or stand at the plate and swing blindly. But we're not going to HIT well enough to get a MLB job. Even though BL thinks Edgar Martinez and Mario Mendoza would produce the same run probability at the plate, Mario Mendoza would get a MLB before any of us.

You think if you were an MLB player that you'd walk as much as Edgar Martinez?

Do you think you could take as many pitches as he did? I could if they'd let me keep the job.

Probably not. I'd get a shitton more strikes because the pitcher would know I couldn't hit.

Regardless, your argument is that you think Edgar should have traded 16 walks a year for 5 hits. If he did that, what's to keep you from making the same argument? Where's the limit? What do you want his on base percentage to be before you make this argument? How would you know when to make the argument and when not to? Do you see how very limited information you have here? You have NO IDEA how selective Edgar Martinez was.

Posted by burnsy483 on 2/12/2014 2:15:00 PM (view original):Regardless, your argument is that you think Edgar should have traded 16 walks a year for 5 hits. If he did that, what's to keep you from making the same argument? Where's the limit? What do you want his on base percentage to be before you make this argument? How would you know when to make the argument and when not to? Do you see how very limited information you have here? You have NO IDEA how selective Edgar Martinez was.

You also realize this same argument could be made for literally EVERY elite cleanup hitter.

That way I can quote it. Otherwise I'll say, "damn mike, you're the idiot who thought EM's OBP was too high." And he'll respond with "why don't you quote where I said that. Otherwise, stop making **** up."

Posted by burnsy483 on 2/12/2014 2:15:00 PM (view original):Regardless, your argument is that you think Edgar should have traded 16 walks a year for 5 hits. If he did that, what's to keep you from making the same argument? Where's the limit? What do you want his on base percentage to be before you make this argument? How would you know when to make the argument and when not to? Do you see how very limited information you have here? You have NO IDEA how selective Edgar Martinez was.

You also realize this same argument could be made for literally EVERY elite cleanup hitter.

He does but he doesn't care. That fact is inconvenient to his retarded argument.