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ULT: Survey -Shims, what is everyone running on RT/X's...

Kinda like the Level 10 survey on what everyone was running to determine the average working setup, please post the number of shims that you are using in your ULT. I'm asking for RT/Retro/Emag/X valve owners only - not to exclude the AIR guys, but from what I understand from RobAGD the number of shims to *possibly* get the ULT working in an AIR is unreal. If you are using an Emag, please respond only if the Emag valve is be used in a mechanical setup. (Or of your electronics are dead and you've got an expensive RT )

Please state how many, and of what type (level 10, or ULT) shims you are using. Also please include a blurb on how/why you arrived at the number you did. I think I read somewhere that the max number of ULT shims was 6, which would equal 3 level 10. I'm interested to know who's at or above the 6 mark. I think everyone should also include level 10 or not, valve type, rail type, and frame type. Old school RT guys, just need to say "old school RT." WEalso need to know the type of air system you are using and the output.

-Calvin

Name: (optional)
Number of Shims: (please state the number and TYPE) (Type = level 10 or ULT)
Level 10: Yes or no.
Why: (please state what problem/issue/reasoning caused you to arrive at the number of shims you are using)
Valve: (RT, Retro, Xvalve) (Emag, RTP and ReTro are all ReTro)
Rail: (RTP/Emag, stock, any other like Omega)
Frame: (Intelli, Stock, Benchmark.
Air system: (preset or adjustable)
output: (PSI output of airsystem)

Why: Still "chuffing" a bit - but it might likely be how I'm pulling/releasing the trigger. No signs of "sweet spotting yet" and am thinking about trying more, but am also wary since I recall hearing that you couldn't run more than 6 ULT shims - which equals the 3 LX that I'm currently using.

Name: Brad D.
Number of Shims: 2 LX shims and 3 ULT shims (that puts me above the magic 6 number)
Level 10: Yes
Why: Just wanted to go as far as I could before hitting mad runaway.
Valve: X valve
Rail: Stock automag rail
Frame: Intelliframe with rear trigger stop installed
Air system: Max-Flo - adjustable
output: 850 PSI. If I crank it up to 900 or higher, it can go into runaway very easily, but 850 is working out very nicely. No short stroking or runaway. I love this mod!

Name: David P.
Number of Shims: Currently 2 ULT 1 lvl X. It needs further tweaking but I ran out of nitro so I'll edit in my changes later.
Level 10: Yes
Why: will edit in reasons when I get my nitro refilled.
Valve: x-valve
Rail: omega
Frame: Intelli
Air system: preset (going to get an adjustable this week)
output: 800

Why: I originally started with 2 LX and 4 ULT shims. That was when I had a preset tank @ 750. When I got my dynaflow, and turned it up to 950, I had to remove 2 ULT shims to get rid of some serious bounce. Now, if I try realy hard, I can get it to bounce a very little bit if I rip on it.

Valve: X-valve

Rail: Omega

Frame: Intelli (Y grip is coming next week, hopefully)

Air System: Dynaflow

Output: 900-950 No shortstroking or runaway. This setup is almost walkable, I can do it without shortstroking, but not really fast.

Why:this is the most i could fit without having problems fitting in the body, i drilled out my rt valve myself and i apparently could've gone a hair deeper than i did...it feels good the way it is though, no sweet spot

Valve: old rt valve, drilled to accept ult

Rail: Stock Automag classic rail

Frame: i-frame

Air system: AA raptor rex 68/4500

output: about 900psi

TheDuelist "The problem is that Tom has developed the VW Beetle of the paintball industry. It's almost too good to change and far too reliable."

Why: Still got a small chuff factor, but the reativity is gorgeous. My micro had horrible reactivity before this, but now it just sings I think I'm gonna try one more shim and see if I can keep it out of run-away.

3 ult shims

Name: Bryan

Shims: 3 ULT

LVL 10: Yes

Why: When I got mine it was factory installed and tuned in my Custom ULE RT PRO. It had 6 ULT Shims. It bounced like crazy and I had issues with the trigger going dead. I am down to 3 ULT shims and it works great. I have no bounce problems but the trigger is still reactive enough to reset itself quickly. I can walk it with ease. With 4 or more shims it is easy to sweet spot and bounces like crazy. We are talking full auto here. While fun, it's not legal.

Number of Shims: 5 ULT & 1 LVL 10
Level 10: Yes
Why: Well I wanted to get some bounce, so with the 5 Shims that were already in it I added just one and it was very easy to bounce! I thought it was too easy and decided to go down one ULT Shim, when I did that the reactivity was good, but no matter what, I couldn't get it to bounce at all, so I added the 1 Level 10 again, and its very easy to bounce, and still very easy to easy to shoot normal (haven't tried walking yet.) Now I just need a faster hopper :P.
Valve: X-valve RTP
Rail: stock
Frame: Intelli
Air system: preset Crossfire 68/3000
output: 800 psi

Name - Classified
Number of shims - 7 & shortned pin
LVL10 - yes
Valve - X
Why - cus I want the pull to use as little force as possible and as much return 'kick' as possible
Frame - home made electro-pnuematic Intilliframe
Air system - Centerflag 201 set @ 900 psi

Name: Chris The Almighty
Number of Shims: 7 ULT
Level 10: Yes.
Why: i get alot of bounce tword the top of the trigger, and i can still single shot on the bottom no problem.
Valve: X
Rail: RPG Recon Rail
Frame: Intelliframe
Air system: preset Pure Energy
output: dont know for sure

i also run a classic valve with 4 ult shims and it works fine, even with the carbon fiber single trigger on the same tank.

Name: Gene
Number of Shims: 2 lvlX 4 ult
Level 10: Yes
Why: i like the reactivity. i get some baounce. i am chuffing i tad and getting bolt stick a tad so i may take out a ult shim but i love the pull it is walkable
Valve: Xvalve
Rail: AM/MM
Frame: Intelli
Air system: preset dye tank
output: i belive its 800 or 850

Name: Andrew
Number of Shims: 4 or 5 ULT plus 1 LX ???
Level 10: Yes.
Why: I can't remember the exact number, but I put in as many as I could. The gun bounced really easily (almost on the point of run away), then I backed off one ULT shim, and could fire with, or without reactivity. Can now walk, sweet-spot (a burst), or single shot... very nice
Valve: X
Rail: Wingless Tac Rail
Frame: Intelliframe
Air system: preset Pure Energy
output: 850 psi ?