You don’t get it. And I bet you call yourself a conservative. It doesn’t matter whether or not it affects me or will affect me in the future. It’s a matter of principle, a matter of rights guaranteed to everyone in our Constitution. But if immense government intrusion is okay with you it must be right, right?

We are in the freest country on Earth

I smell a fallacy. Nobody is debating this, but I must commend you for getting in some free points and racking up your America cred.

When does the war end? When it does will you support the dismemberment of FISA? I’m not paranoid that the government is attempting to grab all the power they can, it’s already happening. And don’t use the excuse of a terrorist attack to turn yourself into a “big Government” type of guy.

Can’t take out copies of “The Anarchist’s Cookbook” from the lending library with the ease you wish?

We are in the freest country on Earth and enjoy the greatest degree of legal security, where our Constitutional liberties are concerned, so the faux worrying about any “perpetual war” power grab theory strikes me as one more absurd bit of politicized mock-paranoia.

But, even if some liberties were temporarily-infringed for the survival of the nation, once it has survived the assaults of terroristic Islamic imperialism, we can revoke those pragmatic infringements (as Lincoln’s haebus corpus ruling was changed back to its peacetime status after the Civil War ended) and return to peacetime footing’s full liberties.

You’re ignoring the core strength of our people by assuming that we would kowtow to a crypto-dictatorship. And minimizing the fact that we are a freedom-loving country that wants to remain alive, first, and then debate the legal nicities, second.

Troy Rasmussen Good luck on that paper. Let us know if your professor tries to persecute you in anyway.

My professor rocks! I have no idea what his political persuasion is and I’ve taken three classes from him. He is the epitome of what a professor should present in class. He is also a HUGE Con Law Geek. He wrote a Q/A for Constitutional Law. I can’t wait for next semester when he teaches First Amendment.

During wartime, security trumps suicidal adherence to the strict letter of the law.

The Constitution need not allow its own (and our) destruction by pretending that our enemies do not sometimes require bending the (purposely flexible) rules.

See: Lincoln, Civil War; Wilson, WW I, FDR, WWII; Truman, WW II; Truman/Eisenhower, Korean War; etc.
Better to debate the “violations” after you survive than toe the line so purely that you end up dead, but smug.

profitsbeard on September 29, 2007 at 9:47 AM

Precisely. In fact, not only is the Constitution not a “suicide pact,” but the Congress and the President are constitutionally bound to protect and defend this country and its citizens. If another attack happens on our soil, the fault can be laid directly at the feet of Congress and the Executive.

Don’t forget to include how the very idea of secret courts violates the Constitution of the United States of America.

Nonfactor on September 29, 2007 at 5:00 AM

Take a gander at the text of the Constitution, Nonfactor. It might help you to understand how our gov’t is supposed to defend this country. Furthermore, the FISA Courts have been held to be constitutional by the SCOTUS for decades now. Try again.

During wartime, security trumps suicidal adherence to the strict letter of the law.

The Constitution need not allow its own (and our) destruction by pretending that our enemies do not sometimes require bending the (purposely flexible) rules.

See: Lincoln, Civil War; Wilson, WW I, FDR, WWII; Truman, WW II; Truman/Eisenhower, Korean War; etc.
Better to debate the “violations” after you survive than toe the line so purely that you end up dead, but smug.

Only 20 years from now will that be finally revealed. Just like Soros’s funding for the overthrow of democracy and all American used to stand for (plus his corrupt campaign financing of Democrats).

Sad fact: the guys crying about the patriot act being unconstitutional, are probably going to be the first ones to be decapitated or blown up when radical islam shows its ugly face here like it has in the ME, Asia, and Europe, since they represent the gays and non-religious.

P.S. I just noticed that Allah is not around. I hope he is just on vacation. Details anyone?

Troy Rasmussen on September 28, 2007 at 10:45 PM

I believe he’s having some dental surgery. That can’t be pleasant.

]]>By: El Guapohttp://hotair.com/archives/2007/09/28/why-fisa-needs-to-be-updated-or-scrapped/comment-page-1/#comment-711005
Sat, 29 Sep 2007 04:43:18 +0000http://hotair.com/archives/2007/09/28/why-fisa-needs-to-be-updated-or-scrapped/#comment-711005(D) Reyes, libs like you created that beaurocracy, and they had to follow it otherwise CNN and the MSM would be all over us again for “screwing up”. Congratulations, you libs could be the very reason those soldiers are dead instead of rescued.

Troy Rasmussen Good luck on that paper. Let us know if your professor tries to persecute you in anyway.

Fellas, I am telling you, that is only the tip of the iceberg we have to endure and go thru out there. It really is worse than being a regular cop.

When the old couple that were out for a sunday drive,accidently as they claim overheard Newt,and at the time Newt was talking strategy.They just happened to have listened in and by some miracle had a tape recorder.
After they taped Newt’s conversation they claimed to have a duty and turned it over to the DNC.
So are Liberals worring about peoples rights,or are they just p!ssed !ff that their the ones not doing the surveillance!

Right, so why are the Dems so afraid of wiretaps with foreigners, who are they talking to?

I seem to remember that durng the live blogging event Bryan mentioned that Allah was out sick

Get well soon Allah, meanwhile Bryan is doing an excellent job holding down the fort — as always.

P.S. I just noticed that Allah is not around. I hope he is just on vacation. Details anyone?

Troy Rasmussen on September 28, 2007 at 10:45 PM

I seem to remember that durng the live blogging event Bryan mentioned that Allah was out sick

]]>By: Troy Rasmussenhttp://hotair.com/archives/2007/09/28/why-fisa-needs-to-be-updated-or-scrapped/comment-page-1/#comment-710916
Sat, 29 Sep 2007 02:45:42 +0000http://hotair.com/archives/2007/09/28/why-fisa-needs-to-be-updated-or-scrapped/#comment-710916P.S. I just noticed that Allah is not around. I hope he is just on vacation. Details anyone?
]]>By: Troy Rasmussenhttp://hotair.com/archives/2007/09/28/why-fisa-needs-to-be-updated-or-scrapped/comment-page-1/#comment-710914
Sat, 29 Sep 2007 02:44:00 +0000http://hotair.com/archives/2007/09/28/why-fisa-needs-to-be-updated-or-scrapped/#comment-710914I don’t think FISA needs to be scrapped. It should be updated, and that is what the USA PATRIOT Act was supposed to do. The FISA Court is a necessary check on the gov’t to protect our civil liberties. I am currently working on a paper regarding the impact that section 215 of the Act has on First Amendment rights that we enjoy in libraries. I have found that most of the screaming about librarians forced to hand over records, while true, is distorted beyond what the FBI is actually allowed to do.

Sorry, that’s a little of topic I guess.

]]>By: Stop The ACLU » Blog Archive » FISA Law Delays Hunt For Kidnappers Of American Soldiershttp://hotair.com/archives/2007/09/28/why-fisa-needs-to-be-updated-or-scrapped/comment-page-1/#comment-710912
Sat, 29 Sep 2007 02:40:41 +0000http://hotair.com/archives/2007/09/28/why-fisa-needs-to-be-updated-or-scrapped/#comment-710912[...] We all know how hard the ACLU have fought to water down the FISA laws on terrorist surviellance and easdropping. They prey on the paranoid and suggest that ‘innocent americans’ are having their privacy violated daily by the NSA. They have been successful in their scare tactics in quite a few courts. Now we reap the consequences. [...]
]]>By: Troy Rasmussenhttp://hotair.com/archives/2007/09/28/why-fisa-needs-to-be-updated-or-scrapped/comment-page-1/#comment-710911
Sat, 29 Sep 2007 02:39:06 +0000http://hotair.com/archives/2007/09/28/why-fisa-needs-to-be-updated-or-scrapped/#comment-710911Hey Bryan, the link for Ace doesn’t work. It only goes to a picture of the screen cap.
]]>By: canopforhttp://hotair.com/archives/2007/09/28/why-fisa-needs-to-be-updated-or-scrapped/comment-page-1/#comment-710895
Sat, 29 Sep 2007 02:20:54 +0000http://hotair.com/archives/2007/09/28/why-fisa-needs-to-be-updated-or-scrapped/#comment-710895Well I’m going to bring this example back up again.
When the old couple that were out for a sunday drive,accidently as they claim overheard Newt,and at the time Newt was talking strategy.They just happened to have listened in and by some miracle had a tape recorder.
After they taped Newt’s conversation they claimed to have a duty and turned it over to the DNC.
So are Liberals worring about peoples rights,or are they just p!ssed !ff that their the ones not doing the surveillance!
]]>By: Zorrohttp://hotair.com/archives/2007/09/28/why-fisa-needs-to-be-updated-or-scrapped/comment-page-1/#comment-710880
Sat, 29 Sep 2007 01:56:52 +0000http://hotair.com/archives/2007/09/28/why-fisa-needs-to-be-updated-or-scrapped/#comment-710880The cowardly democraps will not act like patriots until giant mushroom clouds dot the horizon. They are not fit to lead or hold office.
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