(Original post by Maker)
I am afraid no doctor has yet been able to cure gullible people and make them see sense.

true

as everyone knows by now, 9/11 was organised by the Trilateral Commission, the Hell's Angels and the Cambodian secret services : the evidence for this is huge, but how could brainwashed sheepies, being spoon-fed lies by the media. possibly see the truth, even if it stares them in the face ?

the entire affair was supervised, of course, by those people one would (as usual) suspect the least : Roger Federer and Lady Gaga

1995 - The Bojinka plot saw a large scale attack against planned against numerous airliners flying between Asia & the USA using explosive devices & a plan to crash an airliner into the CIA HQ at Langley.

It's cringe worthy when I hear conspiracy theorists go on about how the Pentagon was hit by a cruise missile rather than an airliner. There's multiple eyewitnesses that say it was most certainly an aircraft & there's even parts of the undercarriage in the wreckage that are (funnily enough) from a Boeing 757 (it was American Airlines Flight 77, registration N644AA that hit the Pentagon).

I also find it strange to believe how people can think it was a conspiracy to invade Afghanistan - there was certainly no oil there & no other natural resource that the USA could possibly see the need to invade for which was guaranteed to cost lives & billions of dollars.

(Original post by john2054)
agreed i'm not sure about the holograms, but the point he makes about the insurance and missing pentagon money is still valid however?!

How does the fact that the World Trade Centre had insurance mean it was an "inside job"? How does the fact that Pentagon has terrible accounting mean it was an "inside job"?

Does it sound plausible that the government would announce these big accounting issues in the Department of Defence, and then carry out a terrorist attack to cover it up? If they're that evil and capable, surely it would be easier just to cover up the missing money and not announce it?

It's very clear there was serious incompetence in the US government's anti-terrorism effort prior to 9/11, that it should have been stopped but wasn't. And there was a bit of coverup so people could cover their arses of their own incompetence. But there was no conspiracy by the government to do the attack.

Even leaving aside the fact that all the evidence we have regarding the hijackers, the footage, the planes, everything, supports what we know happened, but if you want to look at it more obliquely, foreign intelligence agencies gave the US lots of warnings about 9/11 in the summer of 2001. The French, the Israelis, the Brits, the Russians, the Egyptians, the Jordanians and others warned the US government repeatedly about an imminent attack. They picked this up from their sources in Al-Qaeda and in the training camps. In fact, the imminent attack was such a matter of common knowledge in the terrorist training camp network that a very low-level Australian jihadist called his wife in Sydney on September 10 to tell her that there was going to be a big attack the next day.

If it was a government conspiracy, all these intelligence agencies wouldn't have been able to pick up on it from their sources because Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda wouldn't know anything about it. The 9/11 attacks happened as the "official story" said. 19 Al-Qaeda hijackers, four planes, etc. There was massive incompetence and many people should have been fired and maybe imprisoned for their failures, but it wasn't a government conspiracy. The world simply doens't work that way

(Original post by AlexanderHam)
How does the fact that the World Trade Centre had insurance mean it was an "inside job"? How does the fact that Pentagon has terrible accounting mean it was an "inside job"?

Does it sound plausible that the government would announce these big accounting issues in the Department of Defence, and then carry out a terrorist attack to cover it up? If they're that evil and capable, surely it would be easier just to cover up the missing money and not announce it?

It's very clear there was serious incompetence in the US government's anti-terrorism effort prior to 9/11, that it should have been stopped but wasn't. And there was a bit of coverup so people could cover their arses of their own incompetence. But there was no conspiracy by the government to do the attack.

Even leaving aside the fact that all the evidence we have regarding the hijackers, the footage, the planes, everything, supports what we know happened, but if you want to look at it more obliquely, foreign intelligence agencies gave the US lots of warnings about 9/11 in the summer of 2001. The French, the Israelis, the Brits, the Russians, the Egyptians, the Jordanians and others warned the US government repeatedly about an imminent attack. They picked this up from their sources in Al-Qaeda and in the training camps. In fact, the imminent attack was such a matter of common knowledge in the terrorist training camp network that a very low-level Australian jihadist called his wife in Sydney on September 10 to tell her that there was going to be a big attack the next day.

If it was a government conspiracy, all these intelligence agencies wouldn't have been able to pick up on it from their sources because Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda wouldn't know anything about it. The 9/11 attacks happened as the "official story" said. 19 Al-Qaeda hijackers, four planes, etc. There was massive incompetence and many people should have been fired and maybe imprisoned for their failures, but it wasn't a government conspiracy. The world simply doens't work that way

We need to agree that the outcome of these events, of hundreds of thousands if not a million+ fatalities of innocent iraqis in their homeland, is a terrible waste. Whoever was to blame!

(Original post by john2054)
We need to agree that the outcome of these events, of hundreds of thousands if not a million+ fatalities of innocent iraqis in their homeland, is a terrible waste. Whoever was to blame!

That's a non-sequiter, and quite lazy intellectually speaking. If we're going to talk about a historical event, let's talk about it. Don't try to change the subject to a kind of generalised lazy anti-war sentiment.

If 9/11 was an inside job carried out by the US government, how was it that Egyptian, French, British and Russian intelligence found out about the attack from their sources in the Afghan Al-Qaeda training camps?

(Original post by AlexanderHam)
That's a non-sequiter, and quite lazy intellectually speaking. If we're going to talk about a historical event, let's talk about it. Don't try to change the subject to a kind of generalised lazy anti-war sentiment.

If 9/11 was an inside job carried out by the US government, how was it that Egyptian, French, British and Russian intelligence found out about the attack from their sources in the Afghan Al-Qaeda training camps?

I spent about an hour (last night) arguing with an ex us military specialist about this very topic, and i don't propose to repeat the process. I will just say the conclusion, thanks. Look at the outcome, and quit arguing!

(Original post by john2054)
there is lots of evidence. including the footage of explosions from the basements of the towers just before the planes hit, and the fact that two trillion dollars went missing from the pentagon, shortly after. If you pay attention, you will soon realise that things don't add up. Here is another, more credible video, you can watch on this same subject:

There were no explosions in the basement before the planes hit. There was no $2 trillion in the Pentagon to go missing.
Just because some people on YouTube say somethings, it doesn't mean that they are true. In fact, I'd assume it is ******** unless it is confirmed by someone who actually knows what they are talking about.

(Original post by blue n white army)
I like how George Bush was considered to be an absolute moronic idiot but then simultaneously so clever as to mastermind and cover up 9/11

This is the problem with loads of theories like this. They are based on this assumption that governments and world leaders are invincible supervillains and illuminate capable of running the world to their liking, but are also incompetent buffoons at the same time. Look at the many theories where some "false flag" or "hoax" was supposedly organised by a government, but luckily a brave band of teenagers discovered and exposed the entire affair by looking at youtube videos. It's not just limited to 9/11.

(Original post by HenryHill)
There were no explosions in the basement before the planes hit. There was no $2 trillion in the Pentagon to go missing.
Just because some people on YouTube say somethings, it doesn't mean that they are true. In fact, I'd assume it is ******** unless it is confirmed by someone who actually knows what they are talking about.