There's no way Casey will give up what could be his final ever win in MotoGP, especially when it is in front of his home crowd! If they fire him immediately afterwards, so what? He'd probably prefer his home race to be his final one.

You'd have to back Marquez to be able to keep up with Pol who rode an amazing race. So I think he may have been playing safe before that final corner?
I'd assume Pol's corner exits would be very similar if you overlayed them with Marquez's final corner?
I wonder about Smith as well...surelly his bike is better than Ant Wests?

Question. How in gods name id Bradley Smith manage to get a MotoGP ride? There are far better riders out in that class more worthy of such a ride. I bet the Tech3 boss is shitting himself now.

Agree, can't understand it as well.

Well, congratz to Marquez. But I'll be honest here - I really hoped someone would crash him out of this and the following race. I'm having the same problems to like Marquez as I did with Hamilton. Yes, he has talent, but rules get bend for him, he is driving like a maniac at times and crashes other people - alot. Him sending Wilaroit into the Hospital without any race ban is just another example of him ... being spanish.

Well, congratz to Marquez. But I'll be honest here - I really hoped someone would crash him out of this and the following race. I'm having the same problems to like Marquez as I did with Hamilton. Yes, he has talent, but rules get bend for him, he is driving like a maniac at times and crashes other people - alot. Him sending Wilaroit into the Hospital without any race ban is just another example of him ... being spanish.

No different to most riders coming through the gradesEven Lorenzo was banned for a race for his aggresive style? And there was plenty of complaining about Simoncelli?Surely a lot of fast wild riders are harnessed and their style adjusted?

So you're after a result like Malaysia last year? Would that please you?Amazingly stupid thing to say. So clever you are...

Yeah exactly. I said that I wanted someone to drive him to death. That's exactly what I said, right?

edit: but following your logic I got a question to ask.
Is every Pol Espargaró fan stupid in your eyes?
The only way for him to win was if Marquez would have finished out of the points. The only way for this to happen is a crash/own mistake or very rarely a technical problem. So yeah, I'll say it again - I would have prefered if Espargaro would have won. Shame on me.

Yeah exactly. I said that I wanted someone to drive him to death. That's exactly what I said, right?

edit: but following your logic I got a question to ask. Is every Pol Espargaró fan stupid in your eyes? The only way for him to win was if Marquez would have finished out of the points. The only way for this to happen is a crash/own mistake or very rarely a technical problem. So yeah, I'll say it again - I would have prefered if Espargaro would have won. Shame on me.

You never mentioned about Pol. I wouldn't have thought he was someone you liked, being that he's "Spanish" and can get away with anything? You just said that because his riding has been dangerous you wish people would knock him off his bike? That's pretty different to hoping he doesn't finish the race so Pol has a shot at the title?

Where is this different? We are in the last 2 races of the season, I'm sorry if you aren't able to see how this is relevant.
All you are trying at this point is putting words into my mouth I never said.

I don't like Marquez, because he gets favored, because he is spanish. I have nothing against spanish people.
I hoped Marquez wouldn't have finished the last 2 races.
And no, I'm no hypocrite saying that I would have hopened for a techincal defect. A DNF these days only happens after a collusion most of the time.

But like I said on the first post. Congratz to him. He has been the fastest driver this season and he deserve the title.

If this was F1, it'd be Stoner's fault for Pedrosa's crash.. for 'pressuring' instead of protecting him.

Even in F1 most teams race freely.. it's only Ferrari that usually use them. Or teams using Alonso as their main driver. Of course, other teams sometimes do (occasionally) but it's more of a drivers choice.. rather than an ORDER.

Shame as that battle was shaping up nicely.. now it seems forgone conclusion.. Stoner P1, Lorenzo P2.. at least there is a good battle for P3.

If this was F1, it'd be Stoner's fault for Pedrosa's crash.. for 'pressuring' instead of protecting him.

Even in F1 most teams race freely.. it's only Ferrari that usually use them. Or teams using Alonso as their main driver. Of course, other teams sometimes do (occasionally) but it's more of a drivers choice.. rather than an ORDER.

Shame as that battle was shaping up nicely.. now it seems forgone conclusion.. Stoner P1, Lorenzo P2.. at least there is a good battle for P3.

Great job Jorge, he deserves it. Incredible to believe that he's finished 2nd or better every race this season, other than Assen when he got taken out through no fault of his own. Great job by Yamaha as well.

Lorenzo in a class of his own? What MotoGP class have you been watching lately? This season screams 'Dani Pedrosa', the true and moral winner of 2012.

And again not a championship for Dani, i still believe he will never win one in the MotoGP. Sure he had a great run the last couple of races "but" had Stoner not injured himself he would never have won all those races. Lorenzo was the most consistent rider this year and deserves the title.

Stoner was brilliant today he made it look so easy, nice for Crutchlow to get a podium as well. Congrats to Marquez for taking the title he was the best this year although i would have preferred that Pol had taken the title. And ofcourse RIP seagull.;)

Lorenzo in a class of his own? What MotoGP class have you been watching lately? This season screams 'Dani Pedrosa', the true and moral winner of 2012.

Which championship have you been watching? Pedrosa has been 6 (or 7 years I cannot remember) with the best team in MotoGP, with the best bike of the grid most of the years and still couldn't achieve a championship. Pedrosa didn't deserve the championship, 1st because Stoner would have beaten him if he hadn't the injury, second because even having the best bike of the grid he still made a mistake (again) and lost all his opportunities to win. On the other side two team.mates have won a championship with the same bike (Hayden and Stoner)

On the other side Lorenzo has this championship with a bike that was clearly inferior.

Which championship have you been watching? Pedrosa has been 6 (or 7 years I cannot remember) with the best team in MotoGP, with the best bike of the grid most of the years and still couldn't achieve a championship. Pedrosa didn't deserve the championship, 1st because Stoner would have beaten him if he hadn't the injury, second because even having the best bike of the grid he still made a mistake (again) and lost all his opportunities to win. On the other side two team.mates have won a championship with the same bike (Hayden and Stoner)

On the other side Lorenzo has this championship with a bike that was clearly inferior.

So in 2007, 2008, 2009 and 2010 he's had the best bike? Even this year with all the problems Honda have been having? Even Stoner could not beat the Yamaha this year.

Pedrosa has all the talent to win a championship, but it's not just talent that wins you one sadly.

He has been in the team with more budget and more resources to make a winning bike. The fact is that his team-mates won and he didn't.

We will never know, but this year the best bike was the Honda (even yamaha was not much worse), but you can bet Stoner without injury would have fininished higher than Pedrosa.

I'm not saying Pedrosa hasn't got talent to win a championship, but he has been too long on the best team, and has made too many mistakes under pressure (and sadly too many injuries as well).

Budget and resources do not equal a winning machine, just ask Toyota in their F1 days. Facts are that Honda only started to become competitive enough when they poached some key people from Yamaha in 2010.

2006, Dani's rookie year? Didn't Dani beat Nicky in 2007 and 2008? And 2011, a year where he got injured once again? I still think Stoner would've won the championship had Dani not been injured last year, but come on now, this is Casey Stoner we're talking about, I don't think being beaten by Stoner is anything to be criticized about.

The best bike was the Honda? Why confuse 2011 with 2012? Both Honda riders were beaten by the Yamaha rider this year, all three of them being 'aliens'.

How you have forgotten the days when the only manufacturers spoken about were Yamaha and Ducati. The period between 2007 to the middle of 2010 were dreadful for Honda, Dani should not be blamed for that.

Shame about the seagull though, I was gutted. Noticed that on the following lap another gull flew down and was "having a word" with him as the bikes came round. Wonder what he said?

Good day for our Aussie friends a Sunday afternoon tootle in the park for Casey and great rides from Arthur and Ant, but well done to Cal for rescuing a bit of British pride.

And Realyn, there's an unwritten rule on bike racing forums that you don't wish riders to crash, you have to expect stick for saying stuff like "I really hoped someone would crash him out of this and the following race". It's not on really. There are plenty of other misfortunes that can beset a rider without wishing that on him.

When Jorge says Stoner is the most talented rider he's ever seen, he means it. When Spies tweets that Stoner does things none of us can, he means it. When Rossi says, in his own words, that he can't understand how Stoner did it, he means it.

Some interesting notes:

- Repeatedly amongst the best starters (even) in his rookie season, with launch control switched off.- Widely known (now, anyway) that he uses the least electronics on the grid.- (Widely?) known that he uses telemetry sparingly when setting up his bike.- Dominant on the bucking '07 ducati with the less rideable (though more powerful) screamer engine. - repeatedly jumps on the bike halfway through practice or qualifying, and jumps to the top of charts on his first timed lap.- Damn near 4 times as many race victiories as podiums achieved by his Ducati team mates(!).

Hope the doubters will eventually reconcile the conflict between their thoughts/biases and their eyes! This guys clearly has a feel for, and connection with his bike that nobody else has.

Even if I'm one of 3 people who will miss Stoner, Stoner will be sorely missed. Pure, pure Genius!