Can you explain in how many ways X-2 is horrible? Because I really enjoyed my time with it (more so than X).

I wouldn't say that it is horrible, per se, but it does fuck up FFX's thematic elements. I thought story was one if FFX's biggest advantages and X-2 kind of messes that up retroactively due to everyone wanting a happy ending.

Can you explain in how many ways X-2 is horrible? Because I really enjoyed my time with it (more so than X).

I wouldn't say that it is horrible, per se, but it does fuck up FFX's thematic elements. I thought story was one if FFX's biggest advantages and X-2 kind of messes that up retroactively due to everyone wanting a happy ending.

I agree with Ashton 100%. The finale of X was one of the ballsiest and most genuine in the series, and X-2 was like

Can you explain in how many ways X-2 is horrible? Because I really enjoyed my time with it (more so than X).

I wouldn't say that it is horrible, per se, but it does fuck up FFX's thematic elements. I thought story was one if FFX's biggest advantages and X-2 kind of messes that up retroactively due to everyone wanting a happy ending.

I agree with Ashton 100%. The finale of X was one of the ballsiest and most genuine in the series, and X-2 was like

The point of FFX was character growth. While Tidus starts off as a whiny little bitch who wants everything to go his way and handed to him on a silver platter, he eventually becomes a passionate man who isn't scared of causing his own non existence to end a worldwide threat. You see the same with Jecht's memory spheres in the game. The game is all about self sacrifice and rising above one's own petty beliefs and desires for the greater good. He doesn't get rewarded at the end of the game, he doesn't get to live on and see what he accomplished, he is forever doomed to be just a memory, remembered by only a handful of people - and he's okay with that.

Let's give XIII a good ending, show some character sacrifice, and save the world with faith in the human (?) race.Now let's have XIII-2 fuck it all up, show why we shouldn't believe in ourselves, and prove that change does nothing...oh and kill the character we saved back in the first one.Fuck, bad move. Let's do another attempt with XIII-3. What's the worst that can happen, people don't like it? They'll buy it anyways.

^Ugh. Let's not do this crap again guys... I've had enough of that "discussion" already.

@Ashton: So is kinda like the same thing that happened with Persona 3 and 'The Answer' chapter. Only that Atlus didn't "betray" the fans of the original game by ruining (or something along those lines) the overall point of the story.

Well as I recall X-2 happened because fans were A) annoyed that X didn't end with a happy ending and B) XI was a MMO so there was no single player FF on the horizon at the time.

The difference between X and Persona 3 is that The Answer elaborated on the ending of P3 by explaining in detail what happened and why instead of leaving it ambiguous. X explained everything within its own self-contained story and then backpedaled when they decided to release X-2 by saying "oh yeah, there's a small loophole we didn't mention in the last game even though it makes no logical sense."