ZeroCorpse:If it were me, I'd get the fark out of New Orleans, Oklahoma, Kansas, or anywhere in tornado alley or hurricane zones that are below farking sea level. I'd also not live anywhere near the banks of the Mississippi River, or near the parts of California that are set ablaze every damned year.

We're human- frail, weak, and dependent on what we make. There is no place on this earth that we can ever consider ourselves safe in or masters of. To think otherwise is folly.

tinfoil-hat maggie:megalynn44: ZeroCorpse: If it were me, I'd get the fark out of New Orleans, Oklahoma, Kansas, or anywhere in tornado alley or hurricane zones that are below farking sea level. I'd also not live anywhere near the banks of the Mississippi River, or near the parts of California that are set ablaze every damned year.

This is retarded. There is nowhere you can live where you will be guaranteed safe from natural disaster. Storms, fire, earthquakes, landslides, flooding, blizzard, tsunami, yada yada yada. I get massive eye roll when people spout this "just move" bullshiat.

So very true and correct.

It's true; but that being said, I sure as shiat don't ever, ever want to see a tornado in person.

\blizzards, occasional hurricanes/tropical storms, and nor'easters to break up the between times for my home

megalynn44:ZeroCorpse: If it were me, I'd get the fark out of New Orleans, Oklahoma, Kansas, or anywhere in tornado alley or hurricane zones that are below farking sea level. I'd also not live anywhere near the banks of the Mississippi River, or near the parts of California that are set ablaze every damned year.

This is retarded. There is nowhere you can live where you will be guaranteed safe from natural disaster. Storms, fire, earthquakes, landslides, flooding, blizzard, tsunami, yada yada yada. I get massive eye roll when people spout this "just move" bullshiat.

Some places are safer than others though.The worst places are also the cheapest, so poor people don't exactly have as many options.

Three Crooked Squirrels:Reporter on KFOR just said she saw 4 dead bodies pulled out of the rubble on the corner she was on (SW 4th and Telephone). If she saw 4, there's bound to be a shiat ton. This looks pretty farking bad.

I thought that was kind of sketchy to be so precise w/ the location and the brief description. A family member *could* have just learned about those deaths on live tv from the info given.

xynix:ZeroCorpse: Seriously, whenever I hear about a place getting beat to hell by nature, it's Oklahoma, Kansas, southern Indiana, and New Orleans. I'm not just talking about normal disaster weather like you'd get in the gulf, but the kind of weather that destroys whole cities... Always, it's these places.

Make sure to add New York and New Jersey as well as Connecticut to that list. Oklahoma produces one QUARTER of the wheat this country pumps out.. I wont even get into specifics around corn, beef, pork, poultry, etc. The Port of New Orleans (where I'm from) happens to be the only deep water port in the United States. It's also the exit port of 50%+ of the grains exported from the US. 60% of all corn exported from the US, and we're the #1 exporter, go through the PoNO. So where do you expect these people to live farkface?

/farking moron

Is that what people actually believe there? It's not even the only one in the Gulf of Mexico.

ArtosRC:jshine: If you're driving around in a van pointing a camera at a disaster scene and contributing nothing else, then well, that's what it is. If by "professional" you mean "I draw a paycheck for this", then I suppose you're right. They are paid. Then again, so are some of the storm-chasers. ...but whether they get paid or not, they're not really contributing much to the situation at hand.

If you're driving around in a van documenting the disaster and not negatively impacting the cleanup or the rescue, then you are doing exactly what is expected of you in the situation. And if you think for a second that the storm chasers aren't contributing to the event, you are more clueless than you let on. Where in the hell do you think that the dispatchers get their second-to-second information from?

Staggering incompetence on the matter. Unbelievable.

I was a SkyWarn spotter for a while, when I lived in the Midwest, actually. Some people who chase storms do so with the aim of reporting observations, some do not. Obviously the SkyWarn people do, but there are various reasons to chase storms, and not all are "helpful". The people the original poster referred to (the thread has since been truncated) were described as "disaster tourists", which -- clearly being intended as a negative description -- probably implies they weren't contributing useful observations. ...but they'd still be "chasers" in the sense that they'd have to chase the storm to be there when the tornado hit, or they wouldn't be very successful disaster tourists.

On your other point, if you're driving around a chaotic, debris-strewn scene in a van, then your presence alone would create additional traffic & be an interference. If this was not the case, there would be no reason to be hostile towards the "diasaster tourists", since that's exactly what they're doing too. In both cases -- whether reporters or tourists -- they're there to observe but not to assist. The difference between the two groups is mainly in the price of their cameras and the quality of their makeup. Hence my original post on the matter:

ZeroCorpse:Seriously, whenever I hear about a place getting beat to hell by nature, it's Oklahoma, Kansas, southern Indiana, and New Orleans. I'm not just talking about normal disaster weather like you'd get in the gulf, but the kind of weather that destroys whole cities... Always, it's these places.

The second link there is a survey of mortality data due to natural causes by geographic region. The midwest (and tornado allye) is not particularly deadly. There also aren't that many natural disaster deaths in relationship to all causes of death, either.

Adolf Oliver Nipples:Di Atribe: netizencain: How the fark is a 'hallway' a safe zone in a school in tornado alley? Who the fark approves that?

I dunno, you got a better idea? You seem to be the expert.

You get to an interior room. A hallway is often in the interior of a building. Do you need me to explain it to you? Do you need my credentials as to how I know that?

There's always one. Don't waste your time.

The worst part about all of this? If the climate guys are right, this is just the beginning, it's only going to get worse from here.

If? For fux sake - do go on with the 'if'. Climate change is a fact based on hard science. If you want to rely on prayer and Jeebus you get what we had here today - which is the way conservatives wants it, so they gets it.

SevenizGud:stir22: Adolf Oliver Nipples: The worst part about all of this? If the climate guys are right, this is just the beginning, it's only going to get worse from here.

yeah....looks like it.

Confirmation bias for the science fail. Tornadoes are weather, not climate.

Secondly, these things will become LESS common is the climate guys are right. Temperature differential varies with absolute temperature.

But thanks for Jonathan Edwardsing/Chicken Littling it for us.

but as warming continues ice melts,more water is converted into vapor as the seas rise and surface area in greater and more water vapor in the lower atmosphere collects more energy. more energy = more powerful storms.

ZeroCorpse:I say this because I really do not understand why anyone would risk their lives to live in tornado-heavy or hurricane-heavy areas (especially those beneath sea level). I don't think I can understand the motivation. All I can do is feel bad for the people who suffer, and wonder why they do this to themselves.

You have $5. You're underemployed like the majority of your neighbors. Regardless it's what you know.. You were raised farming and now you're working in a processing plant and your alternator is acting up AGAIN .. hopefully it lasts until the weekend cause .. . You get paid on Friday and it's currently Monday. Why not move your family to an entirely different state?

You are way out of touch.

You're the type of person who asked why so many people were still in New Orleans when Katrina hit. Well guess what - they didn't have to money to spend 5 nights in a hotel. Most of them don't even have cars much less the money to get out of the area. Much less the money to feed their kids when they did get to some place they had no hope whatsoever to afford.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Corpus_Christi">Port Corpus Christi - Port Corpus Christi is the fifth-largest port in the United States in total tonnage.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Panamax_ports#cite_note- 11">[11] Panamax class vessels are handled at the Port's Bulk Terminal.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_of_Tampa">Port of Tampahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_of_Mobile">Port of Mobile - the only deepwater port in the state of Alabamahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_of_New_Orleans">Port of New Orleanshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_of_Beaumont">Port of Beaumont - a deepwater port located in Beaumont, Texas.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_of_Galveston">Port of Galveston - the oldest port on the Gulf Coast, west of New Orleans.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_of_Houston">Port of Houston - located in Houston, Texas, tenth-busiest port in world by tonnage.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_of_the_Americas_(Port_of_Pon ce)">Port of the Americas (Port of Ponce) - capable of servicing post-Panamax vessels with a controlling depth of 50 feet (15 m).http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Panamax_ports#cite_note-12">[12] The Holsatia Express, a vessel of 12.6 metres (41 ft) draft, had to be turned away in 2008 because of insufficient water depth, suggesting Ponce may not be a true "deepwater port".Deep water ports (50ft or better) Loaded rollon/rolloff ships to deploy to Iraq (invasion 2003) at corpus.

I live in Manhattan and had my home wrecked by Sandy. When I heard that Senators and Representatives were voting against aid to my area because it was 'pork' I was furious.

Now when a disaster hits Oklahoma, one of the places in the nation where the politicians didn't want to help New York and New Jersey are located, I feel nothing but compassion and a desire to help these people. They should get immediate aid and I frankly don't care if I have to pay some extra taxes next year or whenever to make sure they're taken care of.

megalynn44:ZeroCorpse: If it were me, I'd get the fark out of New Orleans, Oklahoma, Kansas, or anywhere in tornado alley or hurricane zones that are below farking sea level. I'd also not live anywhere near the banks of the Mississippi River, or near the parts of California that are set ablaze every damned year.

This is retarded. There is nowhere you can live where you will be guaranteed safe from natural disaster. Storms, fire, earthquakes, landslides, flooding, blizzard, tsunami, yada yada yada. I get massive eye roll when people spout this "just move" bullshiat.

Bullshiat.

I've lived in Michigan 42 years. I've seen one tornado and it didn't do much damage. We never have hurricanes. We get tiny little earthquakes once every 40 years or so (and they don't do anything). We have no real threat of wildfires (the U.P. does, sometimes, but not the main "mitten"-- It's too wet here.) and floods don't tend to do too much damage (we get them, but they drain into the big lakes pretty quickly). Droughts are rare, and even if they happen we have GIANT LAKES surrounding us. We never want for water.

Winter's not so bad. We get blizzards, but they don't usually destroy houses and flatten cities.

We have a few dangerous animals: Bears, pumas, hawks, brown recluse spiders, black widow spiders, and wolves, mainly... but they avoid people.

Detroit's dangerous because of the people, but as I said, that's not a smart place to live, either.

Name a natural disaster and I'll tell you how little it happens in Michigan (if ever). I'm sure Ohio can state the same, as can Wisconsin for the most part. We all get pretty similar weather. I guess Ohio, being a touch warmer and more south, has gotten a few tornadoes, but nothing like what you see in Kansas or Oklahoma. Not the kind that hit several times a year in the same general area, wiping whole towns off the map.

I'm sorry, but there's a difference between the risk of danger in tornado alley, and the risk of danger in a place that ISN'T in tornado alley or the hurricane zones.

Is there danger in my state? Sure. Of course. But nothing like you see in tornado alley. Nothing like they suffered in New Orleans. Nothing that has-- as yet-- destroyed a whole town.

Unless, again, you're talking about the economy-- Then yes, Flint and Detroit were destroyed the slow, dirty way.

I'm not trying to insult people here. I'm asking a legitimate question: If you have five town-killing tornadoes in your area within a few years, why would you stick around? Isn't the writing on the wall?

FriarReb98:tinfoil-hat maggie: megalynn44: ZeroCorpse: If it were me, I'd get the fark out of New Orleans, Oklahoma, Kansas, or anywhere in tornado alley or hurricane zones that are below farking sea level. I'd also not live anywhere near the banks of the Mississippi River, or near the parts of California that are set ablaze every damned year.

This is retarded. There is nowhere you can live where you will be guaranteed safe from natural disaster. Storms, fire, earthquakes, landslides, flooding, blizzard, tsunami, yada yada yada. I get massive eye roll when people spout this "just move" bullshiat.

So very true and correct.

It's true; but that being said, I sure as shiat don't ever, ever want to see a tornado in person.

\blizzards, occasional hurricanes/tropical storms, and nor'easters to break up the between times for my home

Tornadoes this big don't happen often and really only affect a relatively small area.

ArgusRun:xynix: ZeroCorpse: Seriously, whenever I hear about a place getting beat to hell by nature, it's Oklahoma, Kansas, southern Indiana, and New Orleans. I'm not just talking about normal disaster weather like you'd get in the gulf, but the kind of weather that destroys whole cities... Always, it's these places.

Make sure to add New York and New Jersey as well as Connecticut to that list. Oklahoma produces one QUARTER of the wheat this country pumps out.. I wont even get into specifics around corn, beef, pork, poultry, etc. The Port of New Orleans (where I'm from) happens to be the only deep water port in the United States. It's also the exit port of 50%+ of the grains exported from the US. 60% of all corn exported from the US, and we're the #1 exporter, go through the PoNO. So where do you expect these people to live farkface?

/farking moron

Is that what people actually believe there? It's not even the only one in the Gulf of Mexico.

Kaeishiwaza:I live in Manhattan and had my home wrecked by Sandy. When I heard that Senators and Representatives were voting against aid to my area because it was 'pork' I was furious.

Now when a disaster hits Oklahoma, one of the places in the nation where the politicians didn't want to help New York and New Jersey are located, I feel nothing but compassion and a desire to help these people. They should get immediate aid and I frankly don't care if I have to pay some extra taxes next year or whenever to make sure they're taken care of.

Kaeishiwaza:I live in Manhattan and had my home wrecked by Sandy. When I heard that Senators and Representatives were voting against aid to my area because it was 'pork' I was furious.

Now when a disaster hits Oklahoma, one of the places in the nation where the politicians didn't want to help New York and New Jersey are located, I feel nothing but compassion and a desire to help these people. They should get immediate aid and I frankly don't care if I have to pay some extra taxes next year or whenever to make sure they're taken care of.