Every team needs luck......so do the Patriots.....we wouldve won if Hill catches that ball...that was lucky for the Pats......if Asante Samuel picks off Eli and Welker catches that pass...guess what? the Pats are SB champs and the Giants are not in both SB's.....your naive if you think great teams will there way to victory without getting a few breaks...its part of the game...

I understand you need a lucky win now and then.

The Jets had 4. That's 25% of the season. Shows you how fragile we were.

So you're comparing Rex Ryan to a guaranteed HOF'er and arguably the greatest Head Coach of all time? Logical.

Yeah, after this season, let's just go to the Head Coach supermarket and buy ourselves a Belichick.

Not like it hasn't been done before by another fed-up New York owner who was tired of looking like he was a horses ass. Went and found the best head coach in the league, ripped him away from a division rival, flipped the AFC East on its ear.

I say we go tamper in New England, offer Belichick a massive salary and a piece of the team in exchange for his services, watch the Patriots fall to pieces, watch us get rebuilt in two years under a man who knows how to win.

So you get so bent out of shape when I described you in a manner that you didn't agree with. Yet, you're calling me a lunatic?

Do you make up this nonsense as you go along or what?

Saying that a couple of plays here and there could have made the Jets 7-9 instead of 9-7 is complete stupidity.

Every team fortunes hinge on a play here and a play there. That's how the NFL goes in case you hadn't discovered that.

Coulda, Shoulda, Woulda, is just another lame attempt at assassinating Rex Ryan. You have nothing better to talk about so you resort to lame attacks about a couple of plays here and there and foot fetishes.

As the media already reported, and I'll repeat it for you, the players like Rex Ryan and wish that he would remain the HC.

The ONLY thing that will prevent Rex Ryan from remaining the HC of the Jets is if he refuses to bench Mark Sanchez. Everyone knows that Sanchez is killing the team.

As for Mike Tannenbaum, I support giving him one more opportunity based on prior success.

How you can look at the mess Rex Ryan has made and say he deserves ANOTHER chance is ridiculous.

We know a lot about Rex, but the most damning thing against him is judgement. He thinks lousy players are great. He thinks posting a personal sortcore porn video is safe. He thinks the 2012 Jets are the most talented group he's ever coached including the '00 Ravens. Over and over again, terrible decisions, terrible coaching.

Tannenbaum hasn't just blown it this year, but the past 3 drafts were horrific.

The team that Rex inherited was more talented than the one he has today. In Year 4 you'd expect our Ray Lewis or our Terrell Suggs to have emerged. You'd expect that his grasp of the offense would have expanded. You'd expect that he'd realize he's neglected half the team for too long and it's killing us now.

No head coach should celebrate losing two Championship games. We didn't get rings or t-shirts for the accomplishment.

Not like it hasn't been done before by another fed-up New York owner who was tired of looking like he was a horses ass. Went and found the best head coach in the league, ripped him away from a division rival, flipped the AFC East on its ear.

I say we go tamper in New England, offer Belichick a massive salary and a piece of the team in exchange for his services, watch the Patriots fall to pieces, watch us get rebuilt in two years under a man who knows how to win.

That's the move to make. Have some balls.

SAR I

why not offer bb the head coach and gm positions along with a % of ownership. blow away the entire nfl and watch kraft squirm.

Rex is a very strong personality and is Tannys buddy. He worked out coples personally and we have Coples. He had been given his 'one' pick per draft which was ludicrous. I think he has had a huge effect on not only who we have taken but what positions we have drafted.

Tannenbaum is basically an extension of his head coach. Mangini wanted hard working, high character players. Rex wants ground and pound and cornerbacks. For the most part, that's exactly what Tannenbaum gave them with some hits and some misses.

Tannenbaum is basically an extension of his head coach. Mangini wanted hard working, high character players. Rex wants ground and pound and cornerbacks. For the most part, that's exactly what Tannenbaum gave them with some hits and some misses.

While he drafted Kyle Wilson what "Ground and Pound" players has Tanny drafted?

No RB's, No blocking TE's, One reach at guard - while letting the best O-line in the game deteriorate.

If the Jets actually built a Ground and Pound offense I wouldn't have an issues with Tanny, but they didn't...

Not like it hasn't been done before by another fed-up New York owner who was tired of looking like he was a horses ass. Went and found the best head coach in the league, ripped him away from a division rival, flipped the AFC East on its ear.

I say we go tamper in New England, offer Belichick a massive salary and a piece of the team in exchange for his services, watch the Patriots fall to pieces, watch us get rebuilt in two years under a man who knows how to win.

That's the move to make. Have some balls.

SAR I

So the guy that RESIGNED ON A FRIGGIN NAPKIN because he wasn't confident about new ownership back in 2000 (read: Woody Johnson) is all of sudden coming to New York because we'll throw a boatload of cash/shares at him?

Belichick's already the highest paid coach in the league, around 7MM/yr if I recall. I don't think Kraft would back down from a bidding war. The end result would be Belichick staying in New England and making double what he makes now.

And for the people who think Belichick sucks and it's "all Brady," try and figure out why the O-line is always mixing and matching and holding up. Try and figure out why scrubs like Julian Edelman are returning punts for touchdowns. Or why they rarely have horrible turnovers and bad special teams play. The Pats are +20 in turnover differential, the Bears with their celebrated aggressive defense, are next with +14. That's coaching. Brady accounts for a lot, but not everything.

So the guy that RESIGNED ON A FRIGGIN NAPKIN because he wasn't confident about new ownership back in 2000 (read: Woody Johnson) is all of sudden coming to New York because we'll throw a boatload of cash/shares at him?

Yes.

He doesn't have a personality for network TV, so he can't pull a Cowher when Brady retires. He knows he can have one more big score and try again with a different team, it's all about money.

Belichick's already the highest paid coach in the league, around 7MM/yr if I recall. I don't think Kraft would back down from a bidding war. The end result would be Belichick staying in New England and making double what he makes now.

And for the people who think Belichick sucks and it's "all Brady," try and figure out why the O-line is always mixing and matching and holding up. Try and figure out why scrubs like Julian Edelman are returning punts for touchdowns. Or why they rarely have horrible turnovers and bad special teams play. The Pats are +20 in turnover differential, the Bears with their celebrated aggressive defense, are next with +14. That's coaching. Brady accounts for a lot, but not everything.

LOL

You aren't very bright, the Pats can get away with a patchwork OL most of the time against so-so teams because of Brady and his ability to get rid of the ball!

How you can look at the mess Rex Ryan has made and say he deserves ANOTHER chance is ridiculous.

You brought up some interesting points, so I'll take this line by line:

He DESERVES another chance based on two consecutive AFC Championships. What are you missing in this? A HC gets extensions or extra years based on achievements. Things that they, themselves achieve. Rex Ryan ACHIEVED two consecutive AFC Championships. That gives him built up credit.

Originally Posted by SAR I

We know a lot about Rex, but the most damning thing against him is judgement. He thinks lousy players are great. He thinks posting a personal sortcore porn video is safe. He thinks the 2012 Jets are the most talented group he's ever coached including the '00 Ravens. Over and over again, terrible decisions, terrible coaching.

I'm not denying you're right on some of this. He DOES think lousy players are great, or at least it appears that way. But I also sometimes think he couldn't be that blind. He has to know he's not telling the truth. I think he just says those things as bravado, as an attempt to take th weight of expectations off of the players. If that's the case, I think it's an admirable quality.

The soft porn thing is Rex Ryan's own personal business that you are holding against him. It is irrelevant to how good a HC he is. It has no bearing whatsoever on his future with the team. That's a lame attempt at attacking him.

Originally Posted by SAR I

Tannenbaum hasn't just blown it this year, but the past 3 drafts were horrific.

Once again, he was the one who built this team into a contender for two consecutive seasons. That is built up accomplishments that need to be considered before you fire someone. I also differ with your stance on the last 3 drafts. It's so early on with the 2012 draft, you couldn't possibly be talking about that, right?

2011 yielded Muhammad Wilkerson and Kenrick Ellis. Those are two players that I think will figure large in the future of this team. I've been a critic of Wilkerson, but recently, like in the last two games, he's been great IMO. That does not constitute a horrific draft. Less than inspiring? Maybe. Horrific? No way.

2010 I'll give you that was a horrible draft. Kyle Wilson is pretty much terrible and Vlad Ducasse is a complete BUST.

2009 You cannot possibly argue with taking Mark Sanchez. He was considered to be a blue chip prospect. Not to mention, the Jets had no viable options at QB. The fact that it didn't work out still doesn't take away from it being a good risk. Also, every QB that gets drafted is a crap shoot. You never know if he'll work out. So you just have to have faith in what your scouting department is telling you.

Dustin Keller is an important player to our offense. When Keller gets involved in the offense, the NYJ normally win.

So once again, saying Tanny's last 3 drafts were horrific si going overboard. In need of improvement? Of Course. But it isn't like we don't have any players left from those drafts.

Originally Posted by SAR I

The team that Rex inherited was more talented than the one he has today. In Year 4 you'd expect our Ray Lewis or our Terrell Suggs to have emerged. You'd expect that his grasp of the offense would have expanded. You'd expect that he'd realize he's neglected half the team for too long and it's killing us now.

No head coach should celebrate losing two Championship games. We didn't get rings or t-shirts for the accomplishment.

SAR I

Some of what you are saying may be true, but it also may not be. It's not like this is a very clear cut case of poor performance by the New York Jets. If that were the case, I'd be on the fire Rex Ryan bandwagon. But it isn't the case, so I'm not.

And no one is celebrating losing two championship games. But it is farther than any HC in the history of the organization has done for us in a very short amount of time. It is at the very least deserving of Rex getting more opportunities to finish what he started.

When you achieve things like what Rex Ryan has achieved, it isn't as simple as one screw up and you are fired. After his success, it becomes a much more delicate matter.

Woody knows this. So do the players. Quitting on Rex too early could turn out to be a very dumb decision.