The original version of the fake weed was surprisingly good. It had a pretty identical high, and was created by a chemist at Clemson University. But that was banned, and now it's created by some guy in his garage.

I'm in no way saying its better than weed, but it worked, and you could pass a drug test. I wouldn't touch the stuff out there now.

Well, the substances they're abusing are really unknown as to their long term side effects. We know that long term heavy meth use causes schitzophenia-like symptoms, dementia, and basically wipes your personality out, and that long term heavy ectasy use basically fries the chemoceptors in your brain linked with emotions.

All the formulas for this stuff came out of the research papers some grad student did decades ago, and hit the streets because their chemical structures were altered enough that they could get around the Chemical Analogue Substances Act.

My town recently banned the sale of synthetic pot. I couldn't be happier.

Seeing "synthetic pot" heads standing on main street, in front of another store, making a make-shift bowl out of an apple was the low point for me; I stopped shopping for beer at the store that sold that crap. (I twice asked store employees, twenty-somethings, about it. On both occasions they told stay the fark away from it, and that they wouldn't even think about it).

I've never seen people hurting like that for real weed. And from what I've read about the effects, it's not the kind of shiat I want people smoking right on main street.

Well, the substances they're abusing are really unknown as to their long term side effects. We know that long term heavy meth use causes schitzophenia-like symptoms, dementia, and basically wipes your personality out, and that long term heavy ectasy use basically fries the chemoceptors in your brain linked with emotions.

All the formulas for this stuff came out of the research papers some grad student did decades ago, and hit the streets because their chemical structures were altered enough that they could get around the Chemical Analogue Substances Act.

BronyMedic:Well, the substances they're abusing are really unknown as to their long term side effects. We know that long term heavy meth use causes schitzophenia-like symptoms, dementia, and basically wipes your personality out, and that long term heavy ectasy use basically fries the chemoceptors in your brain linked with emotions.

Never underestimate the denial and self-delusion of those who use drugs. See, for example the outrage which erupts here if ever scientific research suggests that marijuana could have any detrimental effects ("Typical shills in the pay of big pharma, tobacco companies and the fascist pigs in BATF, man") or that popping opiate painkillers at the slightest medical excuse ("I've got a really sore toe and that means I'm entitled to oxycontin").

Or, indeed, the very large number of heavy drinkers who claim that the aren't alcoholic and could stop any time if they chose to.

I have no particular objection if people want to use pot, heroin, bath salts, miaow-miaow, ecstasy or whatever else the kids are into this week, as long as they don;t as a result harm or threaten me or mine by, for example, driving stoned. That doesn't excuse wilful stupidity and deliberate blindness over the possible or in some case damn-near-certain results.

orbister:Never underestimate the denial and self-delusion of those who use drugs. See, for example the outrage which erupts here if ever scientific research suggests that marijuana could have any detrimental effects

orbister:BronyMedic: Well, the substances they're abusing are really unknown as to their long term side effects. We know that long term heavy meth use causes schitzophenia-like symptoms, dementia, and basically wipes your personality out, and that long term heavy ectasy use basically fries the chemoceptors in your brain linked with emotions.

Never underestimate the denial and self-delusion of those who use drugs. See, for example the outrage which erupts here if ever scientific research suggests that marijuana could have any detrimental effects ("Typical shills in the pay of big pharma, tobacco companies and the fascist pigs in BATF, man") or that popping opiate painkillers at the slightest medical excuse ("I've got a really sore toe and that means I'm entitled to oxycontin").

Or, indeed, the very large number of heavy drinkers who claim that the aren't alcoholic and could stop any time if they chose to.

I have no particular objection if people want to use pot, heroin, bath salts, miaow-miaow, ecstasy or whatever else the kids are into this week, as long as they don;t as a result harm or threaten me or mine by, for example, driving stoned. That doesn't excuse wilful stupidity and deliberate blindness over the possible or in some case damn-near-certain results.

BronyMedic:orbister: I see the ecstasy users are twitching with fury already.

HAH! It's funny because long term, daily ecstasy use is linked with the development of tremors in later life!

That is a study on monkeys not ecstasy users. Slightly disingenuous to say what you said, and I don't know how you can get daily ecstasy use is equivalent to what was given to the monkeys from the abstract as no actual figures are given in said abstract

orbister:Never underestimate the denial and self-delusion of those who use drugs.

Never underestimate the self-righteous furor of those who not only don't use drugs, but make a huge point to let everyone else know they don't use drugs.

Like that twunt upthread who was all hot under the collar that someone would dare to smoke synthetic pot out of an apple in public. (Hint: If he knew anything whatsoever about stoners, he'd know this has been around for decades. It actually improves the taste of the smoke, too.)

orbister:See, for example the outrage which erupts here if ever scientific research suggests that marijuana could have any detrimental effects ("Typical shills in the pay of big pharma, tobacco companies and the fascist pigs in BATF, man")

Trying to render the legitimate problem of biased research by those who want something to stay illegal, illegitimate by making fun of it, is kind of a dick move.

The only reason that cannabis isn't legal for everyone right now is that there are some powerful monied interests that want it to stay that way. Pharmaceutical companies are one, and law enforcement/private prison groups are another (or have you a better explanation for the DEA's constant refusal to acknowledge science when it hits them in the face?). Hemp contains some very real benefits over our most common textiles, so we can add that industry in as well.

Tobacco companies, oddly enough, actually stand to make a mint once it goes completely legal. Marlboro famously has trademarks in place on a couple of names for pot cigarattes, and I'd bet large and ridiculous amounts of cash that the others are just waiting for the legislation idiocy to get sorted out before they jump on the bandwagon as well.

orbister:Or, indeed, the very large number of heavy drinkers who claim that the aren't alcoholic and could stop any time if they chose to.

Which despite being a cliche, is also legitimate. I've always wondered how you'd convince a twelve-stepper that you aren't actually addicted to something - saying you aren't addicted is the first sign of an addict, after all.

I love going to McDonalds every now and then for a hamburger, and I could stop any time I choose.

I just don't choose.

orbister:That doesn't excuse wilful stupidity and deliberate blindness over the possible or in some case damn-near-certain results.

FTFA: "One time, I was watching 'How I Met Your Mother' and I did it, and I had the loudest ringing in my ears," said Sam Hathaway, 17, of Pembroke Pines. "I couldn't understand anything going on on that show ... you get really confused."

i tried the synthetic stuff when my friend was doing it. it tasted terrible and didnt do anything for me other than leave a shiatty taste in my bowl (had to boil it to clean that crap out). I guess some people have different reactions to it, but whatever. It cost more than i pay for good weed, and the only advantage is that you wont fail a drug test. never wanted to do any of the bath salts. no thanks.

this is what happens when you try to ban and hide away marijuana, and to a lesser extent shrooms, E, and LSD. People have historically sought after those kinds of highs, and will continue to do so despite the law. So to circumvent laws against relatively harmless substances, people turn to synthetic stuff that will probaly end up giving them brain cancer.

TsukasaK:Like that twunt upthread who was all hot under the collar that someone would dare to smoke synthetic pot out of an apple in public. (Hint: If he knew anything whatsoever about stoners, he'd know this has been around for decades. It actually improves the taste of the smoke, too.)

Twunt? That's a great way to make a point.

Yeah, apple bowls have been around forever. And I wouldn't have nearly as much a problem had it been real pot, as the effects are quite different.

But seeing as how you are utterly ignorant of that fact, and feel fine throwing around insults, I'll just say get bent, dickhead.

Most any chemical has the ability to react in different ways based, upon other things, dosage, biological makeup, age, mental state...

The effects of MDMA are well documented at this point though.

So yes. Fairly safe (a bit more care is required regarding hydration and exertion, there's also the problem of the drug being adulterated by unscrupulous dealers)for most people (barring those who would be allergic, or otherwise have a bad trip - not every chemical is for everyone. As fun as cannabis is, there are some people who legitimately don't like it!)used sparingly (MDMA's primary function is to dump all of your feel-good neurochemicals at once. Doing this often isn't good for your health, and ruins the effect of the drug anyways.)

Well the morons demonized the relatively harmless original drug and now people are dying from the the legal knock off formulations.

Now we have people tripping on Cannibal In A Can and doing all sorts of vile things to themselves and others. Can anyone tell me that just getting high, watching cartoons, and eating Cheetos would have not been better for society.