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Jersey Jedi wrote: So did anyone else pick this up today? If you're planning on getting the 2-disc, I'd suggest going to Best Buy and getting this metal case they have. It's the same casing they used with the recent Boondock Saints SE, but it's got the "City Gun" logo as the cover instead of Jack, Damon, and Leo. Sweet.

I got that too, but from Future Shop. Very sweet indeed. Well worth it, especially up here in Canada.

So did anyone else pick this up today? If you're planning on getting the 2-disc, I'd suggest going to Best Buy and getting this metal case they have. It's the same casing they used with the recent Boondock Saints SE, but it's got the "City Gun" logo as the cover instead of Jack, Damon, and Leo. Sweet.

Stephen Etherton wrote: Why? The question is why? We Americans are not creative anymore. Hence all the remakes, sequels, prequals, tv-show-turned-movies, and games-turned-movies.

I dont actually agree with my above statment, I personally have watched several movies and thought they should remake it to update it, and I love sequels, and good updates of tvshows... I am thinking I am part of the establishment's problem of non-creativeness.

Its not creative people who make movies anymore! Its accounts! Movies are gambles! In order for studios not to lose money on movies that love safe bets. That is why we get sequels, prequels, remakes, Tv Remakes, sequels to remakes, and movies based on theme park rides!

I am really looking forward to 'The Departed'. I have seen all 3 Infernal Affairs films. I dont think it is a step backwards or an atrocity.

just a chance to have a great film seen by a much bigger audience. If house of flying daggers or hero didnt do that well then they would have been re-made by now as well. luckily they did and were seen by a wide audience.

You only quoted a bit of my statement, and then assumed that you represent the general movie going public.

I don't like watching dubbed films either, and the general public is missing out on a great deal of fantastic films, but subtitles are distracting. I know that if I were a director or a DP who put hours into crafting a particular mise en scene I would be disappointed by the fact that the majority of my world audience would miss half my art because they were reading words at the bottom of the screen.

I'm not saying dubbing is preferable, but lets not pretend that subtitles aren't distracting.

I hate the glut of Hollywood remakes, and see Scorsese's involvement as a step back in creative storytelling.

Hollywood takes the other ideas that do well because they are too afraid to take a risk and try something different. They decide for the public. If subtitle movies were given the chance like the ones mentioned then there would be less remakes. But putting "Infernal affairs" on limited release in selected cinemas isn't giving people the choice or the chance to appreciate subbed films.

The idea of a subbed film is an automatic turn off for many because they've never watched a subbed movie before. If the general audience wasn't spoon fed so much then maybe they'd have a larger market for foreign movies like they do in other countries.

Trap Door wrote: "The Passion of the Christ" had subtitles and was a hugh success. Other Chinese movies such as Hero and House of Flying daggers were released and did quite well. There is clearly no need to dub or remake them.

You can't really count Passion of the Christ as a subtitled movie. It had a built in audience that knew the actual story and you could watch the movie without ever reading the subtitles.

Unfortunately a few subtitles movies that do well does not logically lead to the conclusion that there "is clearly no need to dub or remake them." These movies are the exception and instead of the rule. Hong Kong/Chinese action movies tend to do well as there is an audience for them. Outside of that area, I can only think of one subtitled foreign film, "Amelie" that did well in the US.

Hollywood does seem to recognize good story telling from other parts of the world. They take the ideas and remake them because they know that making a completely americanized version of the film will make more money despite the cost of making a second film than just releasing a subtitled feature.

"The Passion of the Christ" had subtitles and was a hugh success. Other Chinese movies such as Hero and House of Flying daggers were released and did quite well. There is clearly no need to dub or remake them.

Why I defend Scorsese is because he has said he is only taking the concept. The characters will be different. Nicholson's character is based on a real person. It's said to be a more complex film.

Gabe Powers wrote: Well, there is something to be said for that. A viewer is pretty much guaranteed to miss out on the experience of a film while reading subtitles. Perhaps better dubbing, rather than multi-million dollar productions, is in order for the masses? I recently rented Night Watch and there were only two options - the default - of listening to the original Russian sountrack with English subtitles designed for deaf people, or listen to it dubbed in English with Russian accents.

I tried both, gave up on the subtitles within minutes because it kept describing the sound effect and I'm sure the lines relating to speech were shortened. I didn't like the dub either, it seemed to change the context of the film - giving it a more wacky feel. End result was, I only watched the first hour.

Well, there is something to be said for that. A viewer is pretty much guaranteed to miss out on the experience of a film while reading subtitles. Perhaps better dubbing, rather than multi-million dollar productions, is in order for the masses?

Adrian wrote: Let's face it. There is a large portion of the population that will never see a subtitled movie because they don't want to read a movie. Thank You..i wanted to write this..but I was afraid that u'll bash me.

You know, I was going to start a thread about whether we have more tolerance for remakes if they are done with a quality cast and crew and use The Departed as an example. On of the few really good remakes of recent memory is Ocean's Eleven, also with a good cast and crew. I don't think remaking movies is necessarily an evil thing. Let's face it. There is a large portion of the population that will never see a subtitled movie because they don't want to read a movie.

Why? The question is why? We Americans are not creative anymore. Hence all the remakes, sequels, prequals, tv-show-turned-movies, and games-turned-movies.

I dont actually agree with my above statment, I personally have watched several movies and thought they should remake it to update it, and I love sequels, and good updates of tvshows... I am thinking I am part of the establishment's problem of non-creativeness.

Am interested in seeing this film, although I am also a fan of the Infernal Affairs films; reason I like them is I enjoy films with interwoven stories that gradually reveal themselves, I also liked the way they integrated the handover of Hong Kong's sovereignty to China as well as it being set there of course. Hopefully this new one ends up being considerably different... am tired of seeing those scene-by-scene remakes.

No one in the history of cinema does gangster/crime drama better than Scorsese. If it was going to be remade (which was a complete given), there would be no director better suited to do so. Also, 99% of John Q. public has never hear of "IF" so, perhaps after seeing that one of the greatest american directors of all time liked the material so much he decided to adapt it himself, they might be more inclined to see the original.

Cheddar J. Cheese wrote: How is it? I've been waiting for this one for a very long time. And no, I haven't seen "Internal Affairs". than see it you must...focused you must be while watching...satisfyed u'll be...

£ukasz D wrote: Trap Door wrote: Any other remake I would agree. But this is Scorsese, who has a bit more class then other film directors who remake a film scene for scene. Scorsese is just using the concept, it will be very different to the HK film.

BTW, if you watch other HK films, you'll know that Scorsese's films have been remade in HK and have been a heavy influence on most HK directors. So I think there's nothing wrong with him taking something back from all he has given. Watch teh oryginal "Infernal Affairs" and than watch the trailler of "The Departed"..the similarity is more then obvious.

I have watched both. Here's a better idea for you, watch both films first before you start spewing how alike they are...

Trap Door wrote: Any other remake I would agree. But this is Scorsese, who has a bit more class then other film directors who remake a film scene for scene. Scorsese is just using the concept, it will be very different to the HK film.

BTW, if you watch other HK films, you'll know that Scorsese's films have been remade in HK and have been a heavy influence on most HK directors. So I think there's nothing wrong with him taking something back from all he has given. Watch teh oryginal "Infernal Affairs" and than watch the trailler of "The Departed"..the similarity is more then obvious. The same plot, the same main story line.....just maeking money out of the great film...which be the way for sure was much more under-rated that this Hoolywod one would be.

Any other remake I would agree. But this is Scorsese, who has a bit more class then other film directors who remake a film scene for scene. Scorsese is just using the concept, it will be very different to the HK film.

BTW, if you watch other HK films, you'll know that Scorsese's films have been remade in HK and have been a heavy influence on most HK directors. So I think there's nothing wrong with him taking something back from all he has given.

Can any one ask me why Hoolywod has to scru up every good foreign movie.????? Why you blood american dircetors can't work something good out by yourself..why do you have to copy all the great foreign films and make s**ty productions of it ????? I love oryginal "Infernal Affairs"..on of the best thrillers i'v seen in my life- great climat, dark, great acting....and i'm sad that once again Hoolywod is ruining great pice of Cinema....god-damn-u Scorsese !!!