Thunderpipes:nyseattitude: farkstorm: Most of the people affected already have insurance. You can stay on mommy's & daddy's insurance until you are 26 years old, long enough to finish college and get a full time job. If you can't get full-time employment at 26 years old, you should have paid better attention in high school. Now suffer the consequences of your own failures.

Do you enjoy repeating right wing lies or just lying in general?

How, in any way shape or form, is this not correct? You are why this country fails. Stupid libs, making crap up.

I've seen many of your posts and have seen you identified as racist, bigoted, partisan hack, a liar, delusional, crazy and "possibly dangerous". I don't converse with people like you.

Libs have no stake in the game, they don't pay, so will always vote for Messiahs, and vote for free stuff. Just not sustainable. They breed like rats, they will eventually be too many for working people to support.

Most of the people affected already have insurance. You can stay on mommy's & daddy's insurance until you are 26 years old, long enough to finish college and get a full time job. If you can't get full-time employment at 26 years old, you should have paid better attention in high school. Now suffer the consequences of your own failures.

mwfark:You mean people are suffering unintended consequences from a starry-eyed government takeover of 1/6 of the economy that none of the lawmakers read before passing?

Do tell.

Racist homophobe. I bet you don't like poor people or immigrants, and you probably don't believe in Santa Clause. GDamn mouth-breather. Hurry up and die so the compassionate people like me can be rid of your filth and intolerance. People have a right to the government giving them stuff, and every business in the country was created to hire people and give them money, farkwad: Learn your constitution!

SuperNinjaToad:In a sense it is. Obamacare like a lot of government policies assumes benevolency on the part of the practitioners. Unfortunately IRL they don't exist.. Certainly not in corporate America.

And then those same people whine when regulations have to be 10,000 pages long to think of every one of the ways they squirm out of them. QUIT CIRCUMVENTING REGULATIONS AND THEY WOULDN'T NEED TO BE SO COMPLEX!

Really, just give your damn employees benefits. So what if your 10,000 % profit percentage is suddenly reduced to 9,999 %? Why the fark are people not demanding the heads of the businessmen who make these changes, instead of demanding the heads of the people who are trying to help them(but are then used as an excuse for the businessmen to be worse people)?

If you think businesses with fewer than 500 employees are making 10,000% profit, then your opinion about anything is not worth listening to. These businesses are being crushed by this tax, AND they have people "demanding their heads."

Wait, Staples has less than 500 employees? That must make operating over 2000 stores difficult.

cameroncrazy1984:just_intonation: So if it's such a bad idea, why didn't Obama abolish it in favor of his more affordable plan?

Here's a guy who doesn't understand what a Republic is.

Please -- enlighten me.

nyseattitude:He can't. People want single payer but didn't get it either. This is something people have been fighting for for over 40 years. Just passing the legislation that we have is a historical land mark for the common person. Think of it as "getting your foot in the door".

I get that. My point, though, is that neither Obama *nor* the government is doing what the *people* want. The people are the ones getting shafted because of it, and the people don't seem to have the balls to do what needs to be done. You know, this being a Republic and all, and we can elect people that would actually (gasp!) *represent* us. Perish the thought!

I still think socialized medicine as a baseline, with employers having the option to offer more and better coverage as part of a compensation package, would be better than this. Employer-provided insurance only became a thing when employers realized that $6-an-hour plus benefits cost a lot less than just $8-an-hour, because a great deal of what goes into benefits is deductible and it costs less to provide benefits ostensibly worth $2-an-hour a year to a large group of many employees than it does to just give them the money. Health care costs far less in socialized-medicine countries simply because an entity which handles everyone's healthcare A. unifies the paperwork, so the cost of cross-coding between 100 different systems is gone, B. has far greater leverage in cost negotiations, and C. gets the benefits of research into human trials and out to patients far faster than a for-profit, corporate model.

I also think large corporations and 'job creators' have forgotten the Matthew Principle of Economics. If you pay low-wage earners more, they tend to spend it...at your business and those like it, boosting not only the economy, but your own earnings. The rich will get richer no matter what, so why not lay things out so that the rich get richer from actual earnings rather than having to spend the same money or more on Senators and such just to keep cutting taxes on things like food stamps, TANF and Head Start, when by just moving the money around more between the working class and their own bottom line, they can lower their taxes by removing the NEED for so many social programs?

It's like the insurance, PACs, political parties above the extreme-local level and corporate mega-trust industries are parasitically leeching money from the poor and rich alike, and the inability for rich and poor to ever talk to one another and point out how much we're losing to these second-spaceship types keeps our economy from realizing its' full potential.

As such, I propose we draft absolutely everybody in the medical-billing and coding industries plus most of the doctors, dentists and nurses into a National Health Service (keeping them all at exactly the same salaries, of course, pending productivity tests and patient surveys, but abolishing the need for fancy status symbols, advertising or marketing, allof which pad costs and do nothing,) abolish all employer-provided insurance which is not provided above and beyond the basic system, declare socialized medicine a fait accompli, raise the minimum wage to reflect both the increased tax burden of the new NHS and the lost value of employer-provided benefits (likely to about $10-an-hour minimum in most states,) have any politician who profits directly or indirectly as a result of legislative action exiled or hanged for abuse of the public trust and if the damn anarcho-libertarians attempt a government shutdown, have them tried and summarily shot for treason. Or better yet, guillotined. The guillotine is more cost-effective, as the executed person's blood and organs can then be used by people waiting on transplant lists.

And then, when this reign of terror ends and the people responsible for instituting the NHS of the US are also guillotined, at least we will know we saved many lives while it lasted and left a better system in place than the one we found.

...Yeah, taking the English Lit class that reads 'The Scarlet Pimpernel' at the same time I took Politics of Public Budgeting and Ethics of Public Administration was a really questionable choice in my college days...

farkstorm:Most of the people affected already have insurance. You can stay on mommy's & daddy's insurance until you are 26 years old, long enough to finish college and get a full time job. If you can't get full-time employment at 26 years old, you should have paid better attention in high school. Now suffer the consequences of your own failures.

luxup:30 hours a week is considered full time, which many of their part time employees were putting in. Also, had you read the memo, they state that managers should hire additional part time employees to cover any shortfalls in staffing, that is the very definition of sleazy.

What are we in France? Since I got my first part-time job back in 1980 something full-time was 40 hours.

If we were in France, everyone would have health coverage and staples wouldn't feel compelled to destroy employee morale for a few dollars.

Seriously, why is this even news? It's been done by pretty much every big retailer at this point.

Because the apocalypse known as fatrbongodon'tcare has ushered in a new era when employers will screw over their employees to get out of paying for benefits. This has never happened before. It's an unprecedented sea change in the Marxist-Sharia dystopia Sarah Palin warned us of.