While you could be right that the woman in this story could be used as a generalization, to give the impression that this is how all women there live,
there probably is many more just like her that are suffering.

This story was sad, but you are right, generalization to make us think this is how they all live, or ....?

Well in some African cultures the women starve for the benefit of their children, but it is also pretty common for them to let the kids starve first.
They will even bring their starving babies to aid camps to secure food for "the family".

It is actually VERY common, the media and aid organizations just don't like to talk about it. It is not pc.

Riding on the back of a pickup truck into Liboi camp just east of Dagahaley, regional camp coordinator Gail Neudorf of Vancouver, B.C., pointed to
a group of men standing and talking.

"Look at those men. Do you see anybody malnourished? No," she said. "That's because the men eat first, the women eat next, then the children eat
-- if there's anything left after the animals eat. That's what really hurts: The animals eat before the children." It makes sense for survival in
the nomadic culture. But not now."

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"She will come and say, `My child died.' But really, the mother or father has pushed with one hand over the child's eyes, and put the other over
the mouth," Miss Martel said. "I've talked to doctors who have seen it done. They say the baby doesn't fight at all. "Apparently they figure why
give medicine to my child -- she's hopeless -- when others can be saved."

Here is a yahoo news article...notice how they talk "around" the ugly facts and do NOT go into the reasons why it is unusual for grown men to
starve...

SHASHAMANE, Ethiopia - But Usheto is not the typical face of Ethiopia's chronic food problems, the scrawny baby or the ailing toddler. At age 55, he
is among a growing number of adults and older children — traditionally less-vulnerable groups — who have been stricken by severe hunger due to
poor rains and recent crop failure in southern Ethiopia, health workers say.

Whichever way you look at it, the entire Africa campaign is one of depopulation. It is sickening and Africa is overlooked by so many it breaks my
heart. Rich in so many resources, it been ravaged by TPTB for so many countries, and then everything is put down to cultural and tribal warfares, but
the overt manipulation is suppressed. One of the disclosures predicted that within 10 years, 90% of Africa would be depopulated.

Originally posted by mystiq
One of the disclosures predicted that within 10 years, 90% of Africa would be depopulated.

What??? Please cite the source that predicts Africa will lose 90% of its population in the next 10 years. Everything I have read contradicts that. I
would truly love to know where you have heard this bit of information.

According to the United Nations 2004 Estimate (medium variant), Africa's population will double by the year 2050. This gives an average population
growth rate over 1.5% per year. When combined with the GDP projection given above, this population increase results in a drastic decline in the
continent's average per capita GDP by 2040.

The total population of Africa is estimated at 922 million (as of 2005). It has doubled over the past 28 years, and has quadrupled over the past 55
years (UN estimates [2]). Population is projected to reach one billion before 2010[2]. The most populous African country is Nigeria with 133 million
(as of 2006), followed by Egypt (79 million) and Ethiopia (77 million).

Originally posted by LostNemesis
I am wondering about that 90% depopulation thing too really.... But, have you read about Codex Alimentarius? If you search for it, you'll find
jackinthebox's thread.

Basically, it is real, and projected to kill of a lot of people via malnourishment. I don't know if that has anything to do with Africa though...

Well apparently Mystiq blames it on the "powers that be". Some sort of evil plot I suppose. Sheesh if the "evil controllers" are trying to
depopulate Africa they are surely doing a p@$$ poor job of it. They might wanna tell the richest countries to stop sending food and medicine over.

Historically, until recently, women have always taken a back seat to men and children. This is really nothing new. I'm just amazed that, in this day
and age, with our silos bursting at the seams, people are still starving to death.

There's something wrong with a planet that can pump out billions of gallons of beer in one hemisphere when the basic ingredient for that beer could
be saving lives in the other hemisphere.

Zimbabwe used to be the breadbasket of Africa. Then the new government decided to throw the evil white farmers off the land they had farmed for
centuries and give it to black non-farmers who won't/can't farm it at all.

Now their farmlands are laying in ruin and the population is begging for foreign aid because they are starving. Lack of resources? Sheesh they even
stole the farm equipment but it STILL did not get used. Its called Darwinism.

I remember camping in Africa many years ago (76')- We ate off of paper plates because it was easier than transporting water to clean plates. At
every camp site we would bury our garbage in a hole a few feet deep.

At one campsite some bushmen dug up our garbage and went absolutely nuts over our used paper plates. I have no idea what they used them for but every
time they found one in our trash there was a bit of jubilation. Of course they took our food scraps as well and probably made soup or something.
Apparently they found our trash very useful and I can remember thinking - wow I guess we're so used to wasting stuff we haven't got a clue.

I don't know why there's not enough food in some places. Maybe it's the weather, maybe it's lack of education, maybe it's the repressive
governments and greedy people running the show over there. It's sad that so many people have to starve when I throw away so much edible food because
it's not perfectly fresh or I'm full and tired of the taste and need something different.

Originally posted by Sonya610
Zimbabwe used to be the breadbasket of Africa. Then the new government decided to throw the evil white farmers off the land they had farmed for
centuries and give it to black non-farmers who won't/can't farm it at all.

Now their farmlands are laying in ruin and the population is begging for foreign aid because they are starving. Lack of resources? Sheesh they even
stole the farm equipment but it STILL did not get used. Its called Darwinism.

Whoa man, whoa! Is anyone else reading this person's quotes? What did Africa ever do to you? Darwinism? Do you mean survival of the fittest? (btw
Darwin never called it that). Before Africa was colonized by Europeans, the indigenous people of Africa were doing a pretty good job feeding
themselves. It was after their land was taken for a few centuries and the agricultural skills that normally would have been passed down were lost,
that Africans became unable to plant produce.

Originally posted by Sonya610
Zimbabwe used to be the breadbasket of Africa. Then the new government decided to throw the evil white farmers off the land they had farmed for
centuries and give it to black non-farmers who won't/can't farm it at all.

Now their farmlands are laying in ruin and the population is begging for foreign aid because they are starving. Lack of resources? Sheesh they even
stole the farm equipment but it STILL did not get used. Its called Darwinism.

Whoa man, whoa! Is anyone else reading this person's quotes? What did Africa ever do to you? Darwinism? Do you mean survival of the fittest? (btw
Darwin never called it that).

Yeah, I read Sonya's quotes and I agree with them. What has Africa 'done'? The answer is not much. It just sits there and lets the aid pour in from
countries that have their own poor who need taking care of. The colonizers (who brought education and technology to Africa - yes there are positive
aspects of Africa's colonization) are gone, and civilization has gone with them.

To the topic at hand, I have read articles that say the women eat last most frequently; I haven't heard much about infanticide, the lack of which
always seemed puzzling to me given the circumstances.

Originally posted by sc2099To the topic at hand, I have read articles that say the women eat last most frequently; I haven't heard much
about infanticide, the lack of which always seemed puzzling to me given the circumstances.

Well I know it happens, the children eating last, I don't know how common it is. Though most all of the articles on the topic are written by aid
organizations or other sympathetic groups that are trying to stir up money and empathy for the plight of the people.

The western world is much more likely to empathize when they read that women are starved, hearing that the children are starved by their parents can
create conflicting feelings.

Much of the fund raising is done by showing starving babies, if people thought "oh my god my money won't even reach those poor babies" the funding
could be impacted.

Got to admit, I don't think I could see it possible either, to get much sympathy for humans who don't feed their little ones... Some cultures really
are far too different than our own, to be judged though.
Here we have many, many people waiting for years for their name to come up for an adoption. There, a kid in the family is just the hassle of another
mouth to feed, when supplies is non-existent as it is.

What is wrong with the term "Darwinism", anyway? I always thought that the way to save poor countries from having a starving population, would be
sending them seeds for crop. People go way out of their way to help somebody, but what it comes down to, is they have to save themselves... In the
case of Africa, it's their greedy government who only lets so many people waste away in poverty, to get the free "aid" hand-outs. It has to be
nothing but pure politics. And don't nobody dare to tell these people that hunting or farming would be a viable option to self-sufficiency.

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