What I see? A gang of pro-korean idiots telling bull-shits!!
Chinese invented chinese. Korean invented korean.
Korean is an Altaic language, with a lot of words from chinese! It's a SINO-XENIK ( but NOT a SINO_TIBETAN language). Neither korean nor Japanese is related to chinese! Vietnamese is't related to chinese too! It's a big mistake to say Japanese, Korean, Chinese and Vietnamese are related!Korean words borrowed from Chinese are of FUJIAN orrigin ( Hokkien, Fukien:) Korean could not invent hanzi, because hanzi do not fit for korean language at all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I personally would like to see this thread move so far down in the priority list that it doesn't appear on the first page anymore at all. I'm quite sure that the majority in this forum will share this opinion. The only way to make this happen is by not responding to this thread anymore.

So if right now you're considering to write flaming responses -JUST DON'T! It's not worth it anyway. Put this thread out of it's misery.

peterkim wrote:the so-called Chinese character (Hanja in Korean) was
probably invented and developed by Korean ancestors or, at least,
other non-Chinese nomadic people who spoke in Altaic or related
languages, although the populous Chinese also have used it as their
basic writing systems. I believe
the number of population of any ethnic group should not be a factor
that obscures the origin. I explain just one aspect of evidences.

1. Archaeological evidence

Civilizations in China, in the sense of modern political border, were
not initiated and dominated by a single ethnic group. From Neolithic
to Bronze age, when Chinese characters were invented and developed,
nomadic peoples dominated central Asia, southern Siberia, Manchuria
and, probably, current Korean peninsula, whereas agricultural people
lived from Southeast Asia to central China [2]. It is likely that
agricultural people flourished near the area of Yangshao Neolithic
culture, whereas nomadic people in the northeastern and central Asia
dominated areas of Hongshan, Ta wen k'ou and Lungshanoid cultures.
Upper and Lower Hsia-chia-tien in north China also was linked to the
nomadic/hierarchical Lungshanoid and Shang (Yin) cultures to the west.

Sudden climate changes to drier and colder conditions around a
millennium B.C. eventually drove nomadic people to south to Korean
peninsula and Japan and to west to central Asia and even to Europe
[3]. During Zhou, Chin and Han dynasty, Hua people (ancestors of most
of modern Chinese), who had originally lived in Yangshao area,
extended their political territory, while succeeding or interacting
with nomadic cultures, especially Shang [2]. They eventually formed a
uniform, cultural and political unity, so-called Chinese. However, the
term 'Chinese' should not be interpreted as modern border of China
when applied to prehistory civilizations. How could ancient people in
East Asia know that there would be a border defining 'Chinese'? Even,
could any political or cultural border exist during prehistory in
China?

In short, eastern part of the East Asia was dominated by the so-called
'East I', nomadic/Altaic people, whereas western/southern part was
dominated by Hua, agricultural/Chinese-Tibetan people when writing
systems were being developed.

The original pictographs called 'gab-gol' (bone and shell) or
'bok-sa' in Korean were certainly invented during the Yin dynasty (or
Shang state, BC 1600~BC 1046), although it is uncertain who was the
inventor. There is no dispute regarding this matter between Korean and
Chinese historians. There are ample recent evidences that the dominant
people of the Yin dynasty was Korean (Dongyi) or other nomadic people,
which some Chinese historians also agree. Moreover, prototypes of
Hanja (Chinese character) were found to the east of the Shang (Ta wen
k'ou and Lungshan culture), not the west (Yangshao culture) [4]. The
culture of Lungshan was far advanced than Yangshao culture [2]. If
Yangshao can be called Chinese as modern Chinese historians do,
Lungshan should be called Korean or broadly nomadic or Altaic. Why?

Archaeological evidences imply that bronze culture was imported from
Lungshan to the Shang dynasty. With respect to historical records,
Shiji by Sima Qian, which most scholars on east Asian history cherish,
described 'Chiwoo' (chiyou in Chinese) (an Korean emperor recorded in
Handangogi, See footnote 4) as the following:

"He had 81 brothers. They were with beast body, spoke in human
language, had bronze head and iron forehead, and ate sands everyday."

Shiji implies that Chiwoo was from a tribe that used bronze to make
weapons and spoke in different language. Usually, responses to Koreans
described in Chinese history books are bipolar (disparaging while
being scared). The description on Chiwoo is a typical one. But Chinese
historians themselves wrote implications that bronze was introduced
from Koreans.

Contrary to the Chinese history book, Korean history books,
collectively called Handangogi' summarize as the following:

I do not deny the influence of Chinese Hanja culture on Koryo and
Chosun. Depending on the period, the direction of cultural transfer
could change. And, Koreans were segregated from Cantonese area and
confined to the Korean peninsula since the 7-th C AD.

During the Shang period, all three types of Hanja (Chinese character)
already had been developed (pictography, logography and lexigraphy).
Moreover, semantic and phonetic determinative were developed in this
period. It will not be surprising that phonetic determinative
continued to be developed in Korea to establish Idoo before 600 A.D.,
finally inventing Hangul in 1446 A.D.

William Boltz (1986) concluded that the Ta wen k'ou graphs (1900 B.C.)
are indeed the predecessors of the Shang pictography (B.C. 1200). He
differed "Origins of civilization in China" from "Origins of Chinese
civilization".

He noted distinct two kinds of inscription of the Shang dynasty: 1)
oracle bone inscription (OBI), and 2) bronze inscription. Shang OBI
had rough and angular, with a strong dominance of straight lines,
whereas the characters of "bronze inscriptions" are replete with
circles, ovals and curved strokes of a kind nearly impossible to
incise on bone or turtle shell. Shang bronze inscriptions are
generally limited to simple statements of who made the vessel for
whom. The OBI, on the other hand, consist of considerably more
complex, often ritually formulaic, divinatory texts.

Pictographs found in the Shantung province show evolutionary process
of writing system according to Boltz (1986).

(1) Insignia or emblem-type graphs found on pottery fragments from a
neolithic site at Ling yang ho, near Chu hsien, souther part of modern
Shantung province (4300-1900 BC)

Now, it seems certain that Hanja (Chinese writing) did not come from
Yangshao culture, but Hanja might have came from Ta wen k'ou through
Lung-shan (Youngsan). The Lungshan people were far advanced at pottery
than the concurrent Yangshao people. Undoubtedly, the Lungshan was the
predecessor of the Bronze Age (Shang) kingdom.

Few people would deny the fact that "East I" or "East Yi" was the
dominant people of Lung-shan culture. And, Koreans had been called
East Yi, as Yi indeed denotes a 'big bow', which still symbolize why
Koreans are undefeatable champions in Olympic archery. Moreover, it
would not be coincident that the Shang people firstly used a new
composite bow and that the Hanja (Chinese character) denoting Yi is
the shape of the composite bow. A picture of composite bow can be seen
at http://www.rom.on.ca/pub/shang/shangd.html.

2707 BC-2598 BC Reign of fourteenth Han-ung, Ja-o-ji

During his reign: Begins mass production of steel and bronze weapons
such as swords, spears, armor, helmet, arrow tips, etc. When Yumang
(Yuwang), descendent of Shin-nong, tries to reach the coast by
military means, the Han-ung's army crushes them and occupies their
capital, Gongsang (Kongsang, in present Shandong). Then the native
chieftain Heon-won (Xuanyuan, the Yellow Emperor) issues challenge,
whom the Han-ung defeats is 73 successive battles, and makes him a
vassal. Heonwon is given the title Yellow Emperor (Huangdi) by the
Han-ung, who is also known as Chi-u (Ciyou) [1]

People who developed Ta wen k'ou and Lungshan culture in Shantung
province were called "East Yi". Koreans had called "East Yi" by
Chinese, and "Yi" means a big arrow, a feature of the Shang dynasty
[See footnote 1].

Based on archaeological evidences from Ta wen k'ou and Shiji's mention
on bronze weapon of a Korean ancestor, it seems certain that Shang
dynasty succeeded Hanja and bronze culture in the East (Shantung
province) where some Korean ancestors resided.

umm actually i have been doing vigorous research on this topic..and ACTUALLY koreans by all means did not creat the chinese language..the chinese landuage can be accredited to chiyou...it was HE who was the first to shape the chinese culture to this very day!!! he was the one that invented the the written system of the MIAO (whic chiyou was the king or emperor of the MIAO people) and wiht the murder of chiyou, that was where the han dynasty or huaxia people were derived from...so you can..that..in any case it was chiyou and the miao people that had the written language....and also...the koreans may have been descendants from chiyou...

shanxi wrote:............................Chinese invented and created their own language. Posting by Peter is totally crap and ridiculous, the person trying to make a confusion here actually. ]+~

oh my gosh..i can't believe that chinese people are SOO ingnorant about THEIR own history!!!!!!!!! chinese people didn't create their own language...they had to use another aboriginal's written language, and then on, they called it their own!! because of inferiority issues,,,they claim that they invented their own language..ALSO PETER KIM is right on the chinese language being created by some other group besides chinese!! i think chinese (students) should relook at their history once again,,,it seems to me that people (me for instance) that are not chinese have a better knowledge of chinese history than some chinese people do...some people are ethnocentric..and it seems to me that you are...or whoever that posted this..peter you're correct on this, except the korean part of course

peter you should DEFINITELY read this...maybe it'll change your mind...and yes there are evidence that points to koreans being the ones that developed the chinese language..BUT who developed the koreans..and that answer may be the ONE that developed BOTH the chinese and k..here..take a look......everynone is welcome to!!

song wrote:peter you should DEFINITELY read this...maybe it'll change your mind...and yes there are evidence that points to koreans being the ones that developed the chinese language..BUT who developed the koreans..and that answer may be the ONE that developed BOTH the chinese and k..here..take a look......everynone is welcome to!!

peterkim wrote:Chinese historian like to twist the history around, everybody know about it.
u just need to look at the Baduk/Weiqi intellectual game, Korean always easily beat down chinese .if this is really your invention, why chinese done so poorly?
and look also at the sport, the world cup, chinese also done very badly if compare to korean.
In modern technology, korean made products like Samsung, LG, Hyundai,KIA
are popular everywhere, where is chinese?
a population of 1.3 billion can't beat down a small nation with only 40 million , or 80 million if u want include North Kore, but still we done much better than chinese in almost every area.
the truh is out there, is just depend on you guys weather want to accept it or not.
many chinese historian in China also agree that Dongyi was korean and the creator for Da'wek kou culture. it was also recoded in Shi Ji from Shima Ji.

Weiqi, many Korean visit jap to study modern weiqi in recent 50years, you know? like zhao zhi xun, tsao xun xuan, these people study in jap for 5-10 years, in benginning of recent 50 years jap player better and easyly defeat korea player, as per your thought, Jap invent the weiqi??? today korean player done good, so today Korean invent the weiqi??? use head.

Have you any knowledge of ancient weiqi?
do you know the ancient rules is different from today?

Sports, In the world olypic, Korean win more Golden metal than china??? pls check the recorder, in Golden metal List could not found korean in first 10 winner always. could you tell what is the first 3 winner??

Modern Technolgy, where is chinese? China sent people to astrospace 2 times. where is korean???

in korean war, South Korean troop collapsed always first and quickly, even with USA's backing.

So where found your conclusion in the end.

today you say Confucius was chinese but Lao Tze not. but other korean say Confucius is korean, korean's answer are so many??
what you say was accepted by humanics or archaeology?

Korean struggled in poverty for thousands years. borrow money, culture from china is their job always.
recent 50 years, korean got chance to grow up, and lost yourselve in the success. it's like Japan, Japan grow up in 100 years ago, they lost theselve too and invade whole asia and attack USA across the ocean. this is called small country growing curve.
so korean start to ask for many things (Culture, words, medical...) from neighbour. korean act as 13-14 year youth.

Korean say today everything they learned from china is their own. like medicine, language, culture, building, festival, their national flag, I ching. capital of korean is called "Han chen" means the chinese city in histroy today they modify it, korean book only written in chinese in history.
Korean today growes and feel shame by using chinese for centuries, so what you say is easy to find your confidence.

However Korean sent countless students to china university to learn chinese, not we go to korean to learn chinese. if chinese is yours, why you give up using in past and adopt a similar character?

Korean announce Chinese medicine is from korean, till today, they send alot of student to china university to study chinese medicine. not opposite, and when they go back, they call what they learn is korean medicine.

I totally agree that Chinese is created by Korean. According to all the posts above, here is a conclusion. Korean's ancestors were from China so Chinese ancestors were also their ancestors. chinese invented chinese characters = korean invented chinese characters. SO.... Korean is also Chinese and Korea is part of China TOO!!!
BTW, Korean invented printing, Chinese character, BASEBALL, cars, nuclear bomb oops! PC, LCD, DVD, Frezzer, Sony, Toyota, Honda whatever...
i doubt that we all the ppl in this earth were originally from Korea too

大家好，
我是一个地地道道的中国人，从课堂和图书馆了解了中国和其他国家的历史与文化。我不像韩国人那样无知，我从来不会说灯泡是中国发明的，因为那是韩国人的做法。
韩国人那样狂热地去推广所谓的“大韩文化”。但是韩国人在“盗版”的过程中不要高兴的太早。
围棋在中国延续几千年了，韩国人居然说这是他们发明的。太无知了！请韩国人看看吧，在中国开设的跆拳道道馆里面，我们会诚实地告诉学生跆拳道是朝鲜发明的；而韩国人到中国学习中医之后回去却说是“韩医”。相比之下，韩国人是多么地无耻！
谁说“13亿打败不了一个4千万的民族”？要明白。在古代你们用的是纯粹的汉字！是中国的附属国！如果要想消灭你，你现在就不存在了。
如果韩国的制陶业一直是世界的先驱的话，那中国为什么叫"China"?
I can't believe that korean people are soo ingnorant about their own history！！
韩国人居然对他们的历史是这样的无知！！everyone knowes that japanese and korean both derived from chinese, why waste your time with this crap?

The first emperor of China has a last name 'bear'.Korean's ancient Kingdom Koguryo is basically called 'Maek' race, and Maek is some kind of bear. There are lots of bear related ancient names throughout the whole Korea. Some heads of chinese dynasties could be korean too.