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Part 4—Our endless agreement to lose: Over at Slate, Jamelle Bouie had a message for Hillary Clinton.

Candidate Clinton, he seemed to say. Please don’t bring us together!

To some small extent, we jest. And in fairness, Bouie was offering advice which is now thoroughly standard within the liberal world:

Below, you see the headlines from Bouie’s piece at Slate. This is now thoroughly standard advice within the liberal world:

What Scott Walker Can Teach Hillary Clinton
Forget all this talk about uniting America. It’s a fool’s errand.

We’re not even saying that outlook is “wrong.” We’re here to say that we were struck by the way that standard advice interacts with an early chunk of Bouie’s piece.
Below, you see the way Bouie began. Given the advice those headlines announced, we were struck by his second paragraph:

BOUIE (3/24/15): Hillary Clinton has been polarizing her entire political career. But now, ahead of a second presidential run, she wants to be a uniter, not a divider. People should “get out of the kind of very unproductive discussion that we’ve had for too long, where people are just in their ideological bunkers, having arguments instead of trying to reach across those divides and have some solutions,” she said, speaking to labor leaders and policy wonks during a Monday event at the Center for American Progress, a liberal think tank that doubles as the Clinton administration-in-waiting.

Elsewhere in Washington, the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities—another left-leaning think tank—released its analysis of the new Republican budgets. “Each budget plan,” notes the CBPP, “derives more than two-thirds of its [approximately $5 trillion] budget cuts from programs for people with low or modest incomes even though these programs constitute less than one-quarter of federal program costs.” This includes billions in cuts to tax credits for working families as well as trillions in cuts to health care for low-income people. At the same time, House Republicans are mulling huge tax relief for the wealthiest Americans; later this week the House Ways and Means Committee will consider a bill to repeal the federal estate tax.

Clinton hasn’t announced a full agenda for 2016, much less a campaign for president. But when she does, it will stand on the opposite bank of anything offered by Republicans, with a vast distance between the two. She will give a plan for growing the welfare state. They will offer a plan for gutting it.

We always gag when liberal writers refer to “the welfare state.” We also balk when writers refer to people like Clinton as “polarizing.”

This suggests that she created the polarization, rather than the Republican propagandists who have been seeking to drive us apart, in the dumbest possible ways, for more than two decades now.

Those are relatively minor points. We were most struck by Bouie’s accurate portrait of those Republican budget plans.

Those plans would eliminate programs for families with modest incomes. At the same time, they would generate giant savings for the lucky duckies who are so rich that they might have to pay federal estate taxes.

Very few Republican voters will ever pay a cent of federal estate tax. On the other hand, tens of millions of Republican voters are people with modest incomes.

In short, millions of Republican voters would be harmed by those GOP budget plans. But in this same piece, Bouie ends up advising against trying to “bring us together”—against trying to cross the red/blue divide in search of votes.

Once again, we aren’t trying to single Bouie out. The advice he gives in this piece is now thoroughly standard.

In the narrowest sense, we’re not even necessarily saying he’s wrong.

That said, his account of those new budget plans understates the extent to which red and blue voters are being jointly looted by current policies—by the ludicrous costs of American health care, by federal tax policies.

Good God! Why shouldn’t progressive figures try to “bring us together?” In a wide array of ways, average voters, red and blue, are being looted together! Why shouldn’t progressive figures actively point that out?

Conservative voters are getting ripped off in the same ways liberal voters are. But when have you seen progressive figures even try to create that conversation about the real shape of our world?

That conversation is rarely even attempted. Very few progressive orgs have ever tried to create a discussion about the massive joint looting.

What do we tend to do instead? Consider the latest ludicrous moment, which went worldwide on Fox.

This ludicrous moment occurred Wednesday afternoon. It occurred on MSNBC’s Now with Alex Wagner, where very few people saw it.

Jamilah Lemieux, who authored this latest moment, is a senior editor at Ebony:

WEMPLE (3/25/15): Freshly announced presidential candidate Ted Cruz has made news with his claim that he became a fan of country music after rock-and-roll music disappointed him with its response to the Sept. 11 attacks. The MSNBC afternoon program “Now with Alex Wagner” used Cruz’s music comments as the jumping-off point for a discussion among guest host Ari Melber, Joan Walsh, Michael Steele and Jamilah Lemieux.

“Nothing says ‘Let’s go kill some Muslims’ like country music,” said Lemieux in kicking off the festivities. The comment came off as something packaged, premeditated. While Walsh and Steele giggled, Melber remained stone-faced, vouching for the pluralism of the genre. “Well, but I mean, there’s plenty of country music that doesn’t have that message,” he said.

Moments later, Melber returned to the matter, telling viewers: “We have a programming note. A few minutes ago on this program, a guest made a comment about country music that was not appropriate, and we want to be clear this network does not condone it.”

On the videotape, we see no evidence of Steele’s reaction to this latest brilliant remark. Wemple gets the rest of it right:

Walsh chuckles appreciatively at Lemieux’s masterful wit—but then, Walsh would feel she had to. Guest host Melber never smiles, then comes back to apologize.

(In one way, Wemple is kind to Lemieux. He omits her second witticism, in which she notes that Cruz’s remarks were made—where else?—in Lynchburg!)

Very few people saw this latest moment live. Five hours later, it went worldwide on Fox.

Millions of people got to see us liberals at our dumbest. When the tribal divide is enabled this way, the plutocrats happily win.

In recent years, we liberals have kept creating conversations to nowhere. We’ve reviewed a few examples this week.

Sometimes, these absurd conversations come from our corporate moguls, like the very strange Howard Schultz.

Sometimes, these conversations come from famous liberal publications like Rolling Stone.

Sometimes, they come from the millionaire hosts who minister on corporate cable, people like Lawrence O’Donnell.

Increasingly, these conversations start when we liberals go around inventing facts which create perfect victims of perfect incidents—perfect incidents which just keep falling apart.

Sometimes, these conversations to nowhere come from our college presidents. And from their assistant professors, who are willing to march into lecture halls and tell the children this:

HARRIS (11/19/14): Research on assault characteristics has revealed that about half of reported incidents involve alcohol, Orchowski said. Many sexual assault perpetrators are repeat offenders...

Orchowski said only about 20 percent of sexual assault victims correctly labeled their assaults as “rape,” often reporting them as results of miscommunication or bad dates.

In fairness, the highlighted statement is a paraphrase written by a student journalist.

That said, does anyone doubt that our liberal assistant professors are willing to make such wonderfully peculiar statements? That we modern liberals are routinely unable to see that such statements are even peculiar at all?

The wide range of voters, red and blue, are being jointly looted. But you will rarely hear that problem described on The One True Liberal Channel.

You will rarely see any attempt to explain this fact to red voters.

What are you going to see instead? On MSNBC this week, Chris Hayes—who started with a lot of promise—was declaiming in astounding detail about Tucker Carlson’s emails.

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I've noticed that when the right claims someone is "polarizing", what's actually happening is that "someone" has brought out an inner bigotry in the accuser, the evil of which that accuser projects back to the spark for that bigotry.

This is laugh out loud funny! The writer probably thinks that calling a whole group of people inner bigots and evil (!) is not polarizing. Sometimes I think the reason there is a combox here is to provide clear evidence of the lizard brain at work.

I didn't see that in the comment at all. I heard the commenter say that the people doing the attacking were also the ones blaming the attacked person for being "polarizing". It is like when a bully blames his victim for deserving the bullying. The Clintons attracted the attacks by being the most talented politicians in decades. The claim of bigotry arises because so many on the right were offended by Bill Clinton's presumption given that he arose from lower class Southern roots and self-presented as a man of the people, not the power establishment. There has been a lot written on exactly why Bill Clinton was so offensive to the right (and the democratic establishment too). It is appropriate to be talking about bigotry when discussing the attacks on the Clintons.

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Somerby is probably right, it's not a good idea to ridicule others just for the sake of feeling better about oneself.

No one should refrain from saying pop-country music sucks. The outlaw/hillbilly/and "neo-tradionalist" factions of country music fans, as well as many old school fans and musicians would be in agreement.

The folks over at Nerdland, or whatever they call themselves, might want to broaden their horizons some. I like a wide variety of music, but I'm pretty sure I don't like the same music as Ted Cruz.

A couple years back Rolling Stone ran one of their "100 Best" issue, (they apparently sell well at supermarket checkout stands as an impulse buy item) in this case, the 100 Best Albums of the Rock Era. They assembled a number of contemporary and prior musicians, producers, "industry types" to vote their opinion. Sgt Pepper was voted #1 along with three other Beatles albums in the top 10 (yawn, over-rated and too predictable). I'm a huge music fan, giving it some thought, if given a vote every album I'm familiar with be it blues, jazz, rock, R&B, pop, or folk, I would choose as my #1 Johnny Paycheck- The Real Mr. Heartache, the Little Darlin' Years, a Honky Tonk anthology of mostly obscure sides recorded in the mid-late 60's, released in '96 and now OOP. Paycheck, demented, genuine, sometimes scary sincere, and at times over the top. Lloyd Green's steel guitar playing throughout is a thing of beauty. traditional-style ballad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HI9ISFDa5fI

The largest block of voters up for grabs are Independent voters. Yes, most of them skew right, but they do not label themselves conservative and they do occasionally vote for different parties.

What I am hearing is a call for Hillary to be challenged in primaries because that will "sharpen" her campaign skills. That strikes me as a ploy of the "anyone but Hillary" crowd. That sort of challenge will cost money and weaken her in the general election, as anyone with any experience knows. Others are talking about pulling her to the left by challenging her within the party. Those who are familiar with her positions know she is already to the left of Obama and tends to enact policies that are more liberal than her stated positions. She is plenty liberal. Again, these people just oppose Hillary. Both of these approaches work against Somerby's suggestion that we try to find common cause within the broader exploited middle classes of both parties. Pulling Hillary to the left or challenging her from the left would prevent her from gaining more votes in the middle, which she needs to do in order to win the general election.

It frustrates me to see the left again working against its own interests -- winning the next presidential election -- by trying to sabotage its most viable candidate like this.

Let's not fool ourselves, OK? I too think Hillary Clinton would be an excellent president, and I thought so in 2008.

But "already to the left of Obama"? Puhleeze! She's a centrist "New Democrat" just like Bill.

Of course, she stands for many, many "progressive" interests, but she is also quite the pragmatist, just like Bill.

In fact, you tell me what their reaction was when they got waxed in the 1994 mid-terms? Does the name "Dick Morris" ring a bell? How about "triangulation"? In case you forgot, their reaction to the rightward lurch in 1994 was to move to the right themselves.

So tell me, what is "common cause" any way? Is it, "You agree with me or else"? Or are others free to express an opinion that it might not be the worst thing in the world for Hillary to face a challenge and earn the Democratic Party nomination, rather than handing it over to her as if it were a crown?

She earned it in 2008. Three areas where Hillary is more liberal than Obama: (1) resisting education reform movement, (2) control of Wall Street, (3) funding for research, especially space program but also basic research. Then there are women's issues, where her record is much stronger. It strikes me as hypocritical to blame the Clintons for compromise (largely imposed by Republican majorities) by calling jt triangulation when Obama began every negotiation by first giving away the store.

Exactly, 2:05. But speaking of "common cause" perhaps all "progressives" should follow the example of 1:45 and try to make enemies out of every one who had the temerity to think that Obama was the better candidate.

Even better than that, let's pretend that the president who brought us our first national health insurance plan with a mandate for birth control coverage, who saved us from the brink of Great Depression II, who ended the "don't ask, don't tell" military discrimination against gays, stared down the Republicans over their disastrous tax and budget policies, all at high political cost, is somehow a conservative in sheep's clothing.

And you know what? I will be more than happy to cast my vote for Hillary Clinton, especially with the way the GOP field is shaping up. I didn't think they could put up a worse slate of contenders than they did in 2012. I was wrong.

But neither am I going to pretend that she is some sort of "Super Progressive" who once in office will be able to govern from the left any more effectively than Obama, or her husband.

"Or are others free to express an opinion that it might not be the worst thing in the world for Hillary to face a challenge and earn the Democratic Party nomination, rather than handing it over to her as if it were a crown?"

Your "concern" is so touching. I remember how in 2008, literally the minute she lost Iowa the deafening drumbeat began, "why won't that stupid bitch quit" so we all can anoint Obama the undisputed champion after winning Iowa.

"In fact, you tell me what their reaction was when they got waxed in the 1994 mid-terms? Does the name "Dick Morris" ring a bell? How about "triangulation"? In case you forgot, their reaction to the rightward lurch in 1994 was to move to the right themselves."

This is one of the more offensive attacks by supposed Democrats against Hillary Clinton. As though she is nothing more than an appendage of President Clinton. Hillary Clinton wasn't actually part of Clinton's two-term administration. You can look it up.

Why would a guy who preaches against "tribal" thinking and behavior continue to make it "our" responsibility that Tribe "Fox" singles out the comment of one individual and make it seem like that comment represents all of "liberalworld."

"Sometimes, these conversations come from famous liberal publications like Rolling Stone."

Amazing isn't it? Once upon a time, Somerby used to rail against the practice of singling out the worst thing that somebody, anybody, who could be called "from the other side" and pretending that represents EVERYONE on that side.

These days? He practices it.

And really? "Famous liberal publications like Rolling Stone"? Quite a reach to turn a pop culture magazine that once upon a time could even be called "counter-cultural" into the National Review of mainstream liberal thought.

I think it's fair to call RS a liberal publication. In the past they've done some excellent work, this time they screwed up. Somerby never suggested that their screwup was representative of the norms of liberal journalism, if anything he catagorized it exceptionally bad.

He doesn't call out "Rolling Stone." He calls out "famous liberal publications like Rolling Stone."

I don't see how any reading of that could come to any conclusion other than Bob is "suggesting" that the story in question is "representative of the norms of liberal journalism [and I add] like Rolling Stone."

But it's always amusing for a Bob fan to explain that he meant something entirely different from what he actually wrote.

I on the other hand will grant Somerby far more credit for his deliberate word choice than you do.

anon 4:01, how many of these comments are from you each day? What is it that you want? TDH to go into retirement? What do you want him to write about? Why are you here every day? Or are you the anon who fantasizes he is of superior in intelligence to TDH and his ovine 'fans' - are another anon? For myself, I think a lot of TDH's product is weak, but your constant sarcasm is stupid, repetitive and annoying.

As for what I want? The opposite of silencing Somerby or any voice in a democracy. You see, I am a strong believer in the principle we need more voices, not fewer, even voices I disagree with.

Unlike "We the People are Dumb" Somerby, I'm more like Harry Truman and trust both the wisdom of the people and history to sort things out eventually, even if it doesn't look so good at particular moment.

So blog on, Bob. See, after all these years of sharing your keen political insight, how many people are buying and if you can have any influence at all.

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I can't believe so many hateful disgusting trolls don't listen to the wise words of someone whose political expertise and experience are reflected in the accomplishments of the many progressives he helped elect.

And *I* can't believe that it's possible to be so butthurt by a blogger that anyone goes out of his way to literally troll said blogger's comments section *every day*. Honestly, I cannot imagine how that can be. But there you go!

I'll start and end with what Somerby started with, Jamelle Bouie's piece in Slate. I think it interesting that Bob rambled off before noting how Bouie closed:

"In other words, Clinton needs to listen to Walker. He gets it. Instead of a promise to work with Republicans, Clinton should promise to elect Democrats. It’s the only way she’ll get results, and ultimately, that’s what the public wants."

The purpose of getting elected is to get things done for the nation. To do that, Clinton needs to work with Republicans, just as a Republican president would need to work with Democrats. That is how our government works. The extreme partisanship reflected by Walker's focus on electing party members has contributed to the stalemate our country has been in for the past two terms. It is bad for the country and especially bad given the urgent need to make progress on issues that won't wait, such as climate change. Walker may "get it" in partisan terms but he doesn't get it at all in ways that matter to our country.

There you go. If Somerby had mentioned Bouie's point we could have debated what was better for our country:

The economic stimulus and health care bills Obama passed with a Democratic majority and no Republican support, or the bipartisan welfare reform, Don't Ask,Don't Tell, No Child Left Behind, Tax Cuts for the Rich and Invasion of Iraq measures passed with bipartisan support during the Clinton/Bush boom years.

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My Name is Silvia Quelal am from Florida, am a woman who love and cherish my husband more than any other thing you can imagine on earth continent. My husband was so lovely and caring after 2years of marriage he was seriously ill and the doctor confirm and said he has a kidney infection that he needed a kidney donor, that was how I start searching for a good Samaritan who can help,doctor has given me a periodic hour that he will live just 26hours left, that was how I ask the doctor if I can be of help to my husband that was how he carried out the text,the confirming was successful, I was now having this taught that since 2 years now we got married I have not be able to get pregnant can I be able to get pregnant again? That was the question I ask the doctor, he never answer his response was did you want to lost your husband? I immediately reply no I can't afford to loose him. After the operation my husband came back to live and was healthy I was also ok with the instruction given to me by the doctor, after 3months my husband came home with another lady telling me, that is our new wife that will give us kids and take care of us, that was how I was confused and started crying all day, that was how my husband ran away with his new wife Queen. Since then I was confuse don't no what to do that was how I went back to the doctor and tell him everything, he told me that, this is not just an ordinary it must be a spiritual problem that was how he gave me this email (okosisi.temple@gmail.com) that I should tell him all my problem that he can help that was how i contacted him and I do as instructed. After 4days and I have done what he ask me to do, my husband start searching for me and went back to the doctor, that was how we were settle he also told me not to worry that I will get pregnant, this month making it the 2 Month I contacted him am now 3Week pregnant. Thank to Dr.Ben is a great man, if you are any kind of problem you can contact him here on his email (okosisi.temple@gmail.com)

Thanks to Dr. ElimiMy name is Sarah matins. I am from Dubai i am here to spread the entire work of a real spell caster called Dr. Elimi who just helped me to retrieve back my union with my husband and make our relationship very stronger and brought joy and happiness into our marriage. I have been scammed by a lot of fake spell casters but i was later introduced to Dr. Elimi by a friend named tucker Stacey to this great man who help her to restore her relationship back with his husband.He also help me and wipe away my tears. So viewers of this wonderful testimony who wants to contact him like:elimispelltemple@gmail.com1. GETTING YOUR EX LOVER BACK. 2. DIVORCE SPELL.3. WINNING LOTTERIES.4. BREAKING OF GENERATION COURSE.5. GETTING OF JOB.6. CHILD BEARING. 7. MONEY SPELL.8. CURING OF HIV AND MANY MORE.9. HERBAL CARE.10. BEAUTY SPELL.11. BUSINESS CHARMS TO INQUIRE MORE CUSTOMERS AND LOT'S MORE..So brothers and sisters i have tested this man DR. Elimi and i have found that he is real and genuine. i am now the happiest woman on earth today, Contact his via email id and be joyful in your life.(elimispelltemple@gmail.com,More gratitude and thanks to you again the great DOCTOR.

THIS IS MY TESTIMONY OF WHAT DR FRIDAY THE SPELL CASTER DID FOR ME FOR MAKING ME WIN THE ELECTION AS A PRESIDENT OF THE EXECUTIVE COUNCIL. THIS IS NOT A JOKING MATER TAKE IT SO SERIOUS, SO BEFORE NOW THAT I CONTACTED THIS SPELL CASTER I HAVE GO FOR SO MANY, NATIVE DOCTORS, SPELL CASTERS, I HAVE INVOLVE MY SELF BY JOINING A SECRET CULT TO MAKE SURE I WIN THE FORTH COMING ELECTION. I EVEN SWEAR OATH IN WHICH I CANT GO BACK ANY MORE. I HAVE EVEN CONTEST FOR 3 ELECTION I DID NOT HAVE IT. SO I CAME ACROSS THIS SPELL CASTER ON LINE AND A TESTIMONY ON HOW HE HELP SOME ONE TO BE PROMOTED WITH HIS SPELL I DECIDED TO GIVE A TRY BUT TODAY I AM A VICE PRESIDENT OF AUSTRALIA. THE STORY IS VERY LONG SO I JUST HAVE TO CUT IT SHORT. A TRY HAVE MAKE MY WIN. SO YOU HAVE TO BE AWARE OF WHOM YOU ARE CONTACTING FOR HELP. I WILL ADVICE YOU IF YOU ANY SPELL FOR ANY THING EMAIL.drfridayspelltemple@gmail.com or drfridayspelltemple@yahoo.com

THIS IS MY TESTIMONY OF WHAT DR FRIDAY THE SPELL CASTER DID FOR ME FOR MAKING ME WIN THE ELECTION AS A PRESIDENT OF THE EXECUTIVE COUNCIL. THIS IS NOT A JOKING MATER TAKE IT SO SERIOUS, SO BEFORE NOW THAT I CONTACTED THIS SPELL CASTER I HAVE GO FOR SO MANY, NATIVE DOCTORS, SPELL CASTERS, I HAVE INVOLVE MY SELF BY JOINING A SECRET CULT TO MAKE SURE I WIN THE FORTH COMING ELECTION. I EVEN SWEAR OATH IN WHICH I CANT GO BACK ANY MORE. I HAVE EVEN CONTEST FOR 3 ELECTION I DID NOT HAVE IT. SO I CAME ACROSS THIS SPELL CASTER ON LINE AND A TESTIMONY ON HOW HE HELP SOME ONE TO BE PROMOTED WITH HIS SPELL I DECIDED TO GIVE A TRY BUT TODAY I AM A VICE PRESIDENT OF AUSTRALIA. THE STORY IS VERY LONG SO I JUST HAVE TO CUT IT SHORT. A TRY HAVE MAKE MY WIN. SO YOU HAVE TO BE AWARE OF WHOM YOU ARE CONTACTING FOR HELP. I WILL ADVICE YOU IF YOU ANY SPELL FOR ANY THING EMAIL.drfridayspelltemple@gmail.com or drfridayspelltemple@yahoo.com

I never use to believe in spell casting until i met Dr Igbolo a powerful spell caster who helped me to be a happy person again. My name is Joan Jerry and i reside in USA. After 4 years of Broken marriage, my husband left me with two kids. I felt like my life was about to end and i almost committed suicide, i was emotionally down for a very long time. Thanks to a Great spell caster called Dr Igbolo which i met online on one fateful day when I was browsing through the internet, i came across a lot of testimonies about this particular Great spell caster how he has helped so many people. he has helped people to bring back their Ex lover, some testified that he restores womb, cure cancer and other sickness, and so on. I also came across a testimony, it was about a woman called Cynthia, she testified about how his spell made her to be pregnant after so many years of bareness and at the end of her testimony she dropped Dr Igbolo email address. After reading all these, i decided to give it a try and i contacted him and explained my problem to him and he assured me that in less than 48 hours, my husband will call me and beg for forgiveness but i thought it will not work. When he had finished casting the spell, the next day my husband called me and he was begging for forgiveness just as Dr Igbolo said. This is not brain washing and after the spell has been cast, i realized that my husband love me like never before and the spell caster opened him up to know how much i love him and how much love we need to share. We are even happier now than before. Dr Igbolo is really a gifted man and i will not stop publishing him because he is a wonderful man. If you have a problem and you are looking for a real and a genuine spell caster to solve all your problems contact Dr Igbolo now on drigbololovespell@gmail.com. He will help you solve all your problems. Once again thank you Dr Igbolo for your good deeds.

I never use to believe in spell casting until i met Dr Igbolo a powerful spell caster who helped me to be a happy person again. My name is Joan Jerry and i reside in USA. After 4 years of Broken marriage, my husband left me with two kids. I felt like my life was about to end and i almost committed suicide, i was emotionally down for a very long time. Thanks to a Great spell caster called Dr Igbolo which i met online on one fateful day when I was browsing through the internet, i came across a lot of testimonies about this particular Great spell caster how he has helped so many people. he has helped people to bring back their Ex lover, some testified that he restores womb, cure cancer and other sickness, and so on. I also came across a testimony, it was about a woman called Cynthia, she testified about how his spell made her to be pregnant after so many years of bareness and at the end of her testimony she dropped Dr Igbolo email address. After reading all these, i decided to give it a try and i contacted him and explained my problem to him and he assured me that in less than 48 hours, my husband will call me and beg for forgiveness but i thought it will not work. When he had finished casting the spell, the next day my husband called me and he was begging for forgiveness just as Dr Igbolo said. This is not brain washing and after the spell has been cast, i realized that my husband love me like never before and the spell caster opened him up to know how much i love him and how much love we need to share. We are even happier now than before. Dr Igbolo is really a gifted man and i will not stop publishing him because he is a wonderful man. If you have a problem and you are looking for a real and a genuine spell caster to solve all your problems contact Dr Igbolo now on drigbololovespell@gmail.com. He will help you solve all your problems. Once again thank you Dr Igbolo for your good deeds.

i am James Lucky. Am from Nigeria but lives in Italy i was tested of HIV diseases and i was cured of it true the help of Dr Akuja the herbal Doctor live in South Africa.HIV/AIDS can be cured through Africans root and harms,and days our great doctors have finally found the cure of HIV, many have get cured with the help of a great spell caster known as Dr. Akuja he's the one of the great spell herbal doctor in Africa and he has the cure on this disease HIV/AIDS. herpes, syphilis, cancer, h p v, hepatitis a b and c. high blood pressures, and difference kinds of diseases, last 2months he share is Herbal medicine in some medical hospital and now he is well recognize as one of the best spell caster in Africa, you don't have to be sad any more or share your tears any more on this disease when the cure have already be found. in 2013 the total number of people living with HIV/AIDS was 53.9 million but today the total number is 3.5 million if you want to get in touch with him in private contact him on this e-mail below: doctorakujaherbalcure@gmail.comcell phone contact +27625157711. contact him and get rid of your disease immediately because this disease are not melt for us, with GOD all things are possible, so GOD has use this great Dr Akuja of all Doctor to let people no that this disease are not actually melt for us.He have made me believe in him, thanks everybody and most especially you Dr Akuja. am very happy

Hello friends..i never believe and tought that me and my ex husband could ever come back and live life happily again after been divorce for years..I never believed in Love Spells or Magics until I met this special spell caster when, i contacted this man called .Dr Okeyto. me and my husband was going on a divorce..i thought it was a joke and when my husband came back from work he tender to me a divorce letter and he packed all my properties away from is house..i ran mad and i tried all i could to have him back because i love him and i really want him back but all did not work out..i was lonely for almost 5years.So when i told the spell caster what happened he said he will help me and he asked for his full name and his picture..i gave him that..At first i was skeptical but i have to gave him a try cos i have tried so many spell casters and there was no solution.so when he finished with the readings,he got back to me that him is with a woman and that woman is the reason why he left me.The spell caster said he will help me with a powerful spell that will surely bring him back.but i never believe all this he told me i will see a positive result within 24 hour..24 hour later after the spell has been cast,him called me himself and came to me apologizing and him told me he will come back to me..I cant believe this,it was like a dream cos inever believe this will work out after trying so many spell casters and therewas no solution..The spell caster is so powerful and after that he helped mewith a pregnancy spell and i got pregnant again ..we are now happy beentogether again and with lovely kids..This spell caster has really changedmy life and i will forever be thankful to him..he has helped many friendstoo with similar problem and they are happy and thankful to him..This DrOkeyto is indeed the most powerful spell caster that i have ever experienced inlife..Am Posting this to the Forum in case there is anyone who has similar problem and still looking for a way out.you can reach him here.dr.okeytospelltemple@gmail.com or relate with him on his Website: http://drokeytospelltempl.wix.com/temple or contact him on his number +2349050141440/whats-app..he is willing n ever ready to help.okay. This is what i want to tell you all out there,That is thinking that all hope is lost..Thanks to you all

I have been rejected by my husband all time i have always tried to stay friendly over again after our divorce which occurred in early November 2015 last year After three years of marriage just because a different woman had a spell on him and he left me and the kid to suffer. I was really worried and hopeless, so i met with this spell caster Lord Vasikar well-known as experiencespelltemple @ outlook. com, on the Internet after a long search. And he told me what i needed to do, and he also assured me that he is going to reunite us in just 24 hours later after his spell casting. So he started his work on Monday 21th December. I neither did not believe my eyes. He is back!!! Yes, he really came back in 24 hours just as you guaranteed Sir. Now I'm fully persuaded that you are a legit and authentic spell caster and your website is the best i have ever come across. This is so mind-boggling for me. Westcott is back!!! I haven't by any means experienced something like this before. Thank you so much Lord Vasikar. I never expected such a result. Dream comes true. Wow! You were so kind with me. "And may your kindness float back to you like ripples that float back to sea shore". Thank you sir for your precious help. I never believe that I will Celebrate Xmas with my husband, I have never been so happy in my life like the way i am today. You are a genuine spirit. You and your work will never be forgotten for making me a fulfilled woman and reuniting me and my ex husband once again. You are my hero.. The kids are overjoyed to have their father come back home for good. Sir here i am sharing your testimony just as i promised. His website:http://experiencespelltemple.webs.com/ and also his Email: experiencespelltemple@outlook.com, or you can call him on this number:+1(617)9822005, Thank you so much sir from your grateful client Denise Margaret.