And yet, we’re sitting on record corn, soy, beef, chicken, and pork inventories here in the U.S. I would gladly exchange some of our bounty for the assurance that they won’t keep reproducing beyond their own capacity.

Try to keep up Danny, follow the conversation. The poor, people who have the most to loose in all this climate change stuff. If they can’t control their reproduction, then it will have a greater impact on their families. We must see that they have the resources to maintain some degree of security ie, food, shelter, education ,and heaven forbid, birth control.

So who is ‘we’? Does that mean you’re going to chip in extra to help save them? By the way, about those so called ‘experts’, the word expert is made up of two words, ex = has been and spurt = drip under pressure. And that’s about what those experts’ opinions are worth.

“We must see that they have the resources to maintain some degree of security ie, food, shelter, education”It would seem you’re incredibly generous with the resources of this nation. Don’t we have folks living under freeway ramps here? Are they cold? Hungry? Uneducated?

Archie, birth control, especially so long as abortion on demand remains as common a means of achieving it as it is today, is not the answer, because poverty is not driven by over population in the US. The US poor have higher annual incomes, on average, than the average income of the European middle class. The notion that our poor are poor because there are just too many Americans for all to live comfortably, is nonsense. Furthermore, not only would increasing birth control do nothing about poverty in America, but we are already below the birth rate some researchers have identified as the minimum rate necessary to sustain ANY society indefinitely. Even if our government EXTERMINATED everyone currently living in poverty (a horrifically nonsensical idea to be sure, but apt for driving home the point), by 2050 we’d have about the same poverty rate we do now, and have had throughout our 225 year history as a nation.

In short, our birth rate isn’t driving our over population problem, even if it is driving that problem in other nations. Here the problem is longevity. Americans are simply living too long. And frankly, after Obama, I’d like to get back to worrying about the quality of life for Americans, instead of ignoring it fretting about global quality of life.

Archie, I can “keep up” as you say in your sneering tone and get what Danny is saying. We need more high I.Q. people in the world, not less. More Whites, not more Africans, because Africans are completely dependent on Whites, till the Whites are gone and then utter collapse. Whites evolved in colder climes, understand farming and putting off till the future and invented birth control whereas Africans simply hold out the begging bowl and produce more begging bowls every year.

I think that “they” for him are the non-white peoples of the world but he dare not say it for fear of being called racist. He may not be aware that world population growth is slowing down and more than 70 countries have birth rates at the replacement level or far below. Countries like China are now concerned about impending dramatic drops in their working age populations. Japan is another.

In Russia they give an extra financial reward for mothers who have more then two children. The so-called “mother’s capital” is a $3,000 payment which doesn’t sound like much but goes a lot further in Russia then in the developed world.

Well, Hell. I will say it then: Latin America is breeding out of control. They are destroying their countries and then attempting to move here (USA). Considering I am a BROWN skinned Latino, am *I* racist for saying the truth?

The world is overpopulated. The population should be shrinking however it is not. Just increasing at a slower rate. The world cannot sustain itself for a long period at it’s current population. Clean water is becoming scarcer, oil will be gone in 70 years all minerals are finite, gold, silver, lead, copper, etc etc. The mass migrations prove there are just too many people in the world. Nothing lasts forever. We are way overdue for a population reduction. About the only populations that were reducing were the whites. And mostly due to economic reasons. Children are just plain expensive if you give them good food, shelter, education and healthcare.

China has an imbalance of male/female due to their 1 child policy. This goes back to the husband being expected to care for his own family, his parents in there old age and her parents in their old age.

There were articles about massive female killoffs, both in uetro and immediately after birth.

There are now apprx. 33 million more Chinese men than women. That could mean there may be generations of life long virgin males before the imbalance can be corrected.

I take it ” they” refers to the ubiquitous “they” being anyone without the means to feed themselves let alone a child. He said the poor, so he possibly could have bent referring to people living in poverty, that ” they”. That can mean anyone who lives below, sometimes mutual times below the poverty level.Not some nefarious use of the word they, as to wit I take you query was an inference to…..

“They” are most likely the people who refuse to use birth control and believe that sex with a virgin can cure AIDS, or the people who keep having child after child after child after child in an environment where a honey badger would starve.

Probably most of the continent of Africa would be a good place to start finding “they”.

Our country pays farmers to destroy and not grow crops I don’t know about you but I feel that belongs to the collective “we”. That being said I’d rather teach them to fish then give them fish. It’s far easier to build a safe sustainable future if your not starving to death. Before you imagine I’m some sort of leftist you’d be wrong I’m a “taxation is theft” guy but if I’m going to be taxed I prefer it to do some good.

As a grain farmer I would like know what crop I can be paid to not grow or destroy. As far as I know, any paid set aside program ended at least 20 years ago. There are some support payments such as some help with crop insurance premiums, but nothing directly connected with individual production.

Remember that 40% of ”ALL” food grown in this country is turned into ethanol, which increases air pollution by 5 to 7% and no telling how much of the rivers and oceans it creates ‘Dead Zones’ from nitrites. Turning 40% of the US food production into Ethanol is the number one reason for the increase in food costs since 2005.It is also a very big reason for illegal immigration of Hispanic’s from Mexico to the US.People like Soros ,Al Gore switched their basic staple corn for food to corn for ethanol.

Again, Liberals holding hands and starving the world to death one gas tank at a time.

Amen brotherGlobal warming is BS, same ideology that said in the 15 century the world was flat. GW is a hoax so the taxes can be increased. If this is true why is Al Gore flying is own private jet and lives in a 15,000 sq/ft house something’s wrong with this picture.

Global warming is accepted by 99.9 of the climate “experts” around the world. You truly don’t keep up with the “intellectual” news sources do you?

You must be one of those low information, lowIQ, low education, blue collar “white trash” Trump supporters hmm? The world news is having a field day describing Trump supporters like that, barely hiding the fact that they don’t outright say “white trash” LOL

Do you bow down and pray to Limbaugh, Hannity, and Glenn Beck each night? Laughable idiot.

I’m also sure you’re happy that Trump has already appointed a self-described White supremacist, racist, homophobic bigot like Stephen Bannon right? The US is the laughing stock of the world because of narrow minded, , afraid of change, living decades in the past, Conservatives.

Global warming is accepted by 99.9 of the climate “experts” around the world. You truly don’t keep up with the “intellectual” news sources do you?

You must be one of those low information, low IQ, low education, blue collar “white trash” Trump supporters hmm? The world news is having a field day describing Trump supporters like that, barely hiding the fact that they don’t outright say “white trash” LOL

Do you bow down and pray to Limbaugh, Hannity, and Glenn Beck each night? Laughable idiot.

I’m also sure you’re happy that Trump has already appointed a self-described White supremacist, racist, homophobic bigot like Stephen Bannon right? The US is the laughing stock of the world because of narrow minded, , afraid of change, living decades in the past, Conservatives.

In historical cooling events, Mother Nature takes care of over population from all sectors of economy. People stay in doors. The stay close. They try to warm houses. As a result bacteria reproduce rapidly- virus also reproduce – but they are not alive- nor are they dead.

Fact is our largest plague events occur during “little ice age” type events. Additionally global cooling and little ICe Age Events shift monsoon patterns- so Phoenix and Tucson will see less than 1/2 normal rain per year as temp decreases. the Monsoon does not fire up and winters are dry in the SW. So we will have rainfall issues here – not that we depend on rain for anygiven year- storage helps with that, but a multiyear drought in the Salt and Gila river valley’s as well as Colorado River drought will be devastating to the SW USA. Other areas that rely on Monsoon patterns as well will likely suffer.

Fact, with more co2 in the air, farm crops need and use a lot less water to produce crops. “”FACT””!!! Many places now have more growing seasons due to the fact of the planet warming. Places like Arkansas now have as many as three growing season, instead of having just one or two.

As far a water droughts go, corn is a very intensive user of water. Many other types of food use a lot less water

1st. The world is not warming. 2nd. will some one please tell me where this list showing 99.9% of scientist agree with GW. 3rd humans live on less that 5% of the earth, the worst that can happen from increased heat would lower it to 4%. This would lower the carrying capacity not eliminate it.

Muslims will breed irrespective of their economic circumstances. Their only goal is to overwhelm the Khafir thru sheer numbers. When the Khafir aid this with welfare payments it is even worse. https://www.politicalislam.com/the-four-jihads/

For example:

Osama bin Laden had four wives, one ex wife, and at least 17 children, maybe more than two dozen of them….Mohammed bin Laden [his father kept] four wives, often divorcing one so he could add another. In all he had 23 wives and 54 children.http://factsanddetails.com/world/cat58/sub386/item2359.html

This would not include children by slaves. (Saudi Arabia only recently ‘outlawed’ slavery.)

Hey, I have a solution for world overpopulation … everyone who thinks the world is overpopulated should live up to their convictions and off themselves. Once they are all gone, then the overpopulation problem goes away!

If the Frakkin government would stop interfering with the Free Market by using price supports, using grain alcohol for furl and subsidies there wouldn’t be a “capacity” problem and farmers would always profit.

Wood for trees – the data set linked to by the article, does not produce the graphic depicted in the article. Further, it does not show the decline shown in the graphic. Further there is no land only data set for RSS at Wood For Trees.

Finally, TLT means Total Lower Troposphere, and is an average temperature taken over the lower 10,000 feet of the atmosphere averaging an altitude of about a mile.

This is not the Earth’s surface temperature, which is measured at the earth’s surface, not high in the atmosphere.

Did you even look at the graph and the data source? This is an excerpt from the header of the RSS data file:

#Data processed by http://www.woodfortrees.org#Please check original source for first-hand data and information:##—————————————————-#Data from Remote Sensing Systems#http://www.ssmi.com/msu/msu_data_description.html#—————————————————-

Let’s take a look at that webpage. Here’s the Introduction:

> The term “upper air” refers to the part of the atmosphere well above Earth’s surface. The temperature of the atmosphere in this region is a fundamental climate variable. Recent changes in atmospheric temperature have been attributed to human-induced climate change. Continued monitoring of atmospheric temperature is critical to advancing our understanding of the sensitivity of Earth’s climate to changing atmospheric composition.

Before we go any further, take a moment to bask in the irony here. The author downloaded and modified data that shows a positive trend in the Earth’s temperature, from a source that attributes that trend to human behavior, and posted it on a website that denies human involvement in climate change. And you ate it up.

The vertical axis on the graph is looking at eight month changes in the data samples. This is a crappy attempt at a running derivative – the window was clearly chosen because it happened to produce a graph that fit the author’s narrative, and not because of any contextual significance.

Open up the actual data file and scroll down to the bottom – you’ll clearly see that almost all of the data samples in the last 15 years show a positive change in temperature. It is not only deceptive, but downright incorrect, to say that this data shows that the temperature of the earth has been increasing.

Despite bleeding irony, I’d like to see your attempt at reproducing that graph in Excel, though, since anyone who isn’t a moronic idiot can do it. Data is right here: http://www.woodfortrees.org/data/rss-land/. Good luck :)

Anyone commenting here about the “myth” of global warming is simply uninformed. The preponderance of evidence to support it rivals that which supports the Theory of Evolution. Across many years, glaciers have been melting and sea levels rising. One year of cooler temperatures means nothing.

Well, do you wring one hand when there are signs of global warming and the other hand when there are signs of global cooling? My take on the story is the confusion over the issue of global climate change. Always has and always will be change. I love it when some group points to a receding glacier and the dire consequences that await, a receding glacier that reveals ancient farmland, farmland that was obviously glacier free ages ago to begin with. I guess the people didn’t have an Al Gore back then to save them. Relax everyone and stop making so many babies if you’re that worried about the problem.

Back in 2004 the Pentagon warned President Bush that we would see cataclysmic impacts of abrupt global warming by 2020, including…

‘major European cities sunk beneath rising seas’‘Britain is plunged into a ‘Siberian’ climate’‘Nuclear conflict, mega-droughts, famine and widespread rioting will erupt across the world.’‘Disruption and conflict will be endemic features of life’‘Once again, warfare would define human life.’‘the planet brought to the edge of anarchy’‘dwindling food, water and energy supplies’‘widespread flooding by a rise in sea levels will create major upheaval for millions’

That was 12 years ago now. We’re only 4 years out, does anyone still believe that ThunderDome version of the future is right around the corner?

That’s shocking I tell you!!! Downright deplorable!!! I hear the only breadwinner will be out of a job shortly after New Years. My goodness, does this billionaire have no shame? How did such a sad situation come to pass? Was there another woman involved? I hear there are some job openings at the DNC.

Is there comparable UAH data, for corroboration ? Roy Spencer’s site show the graph for global temperatures, and the data points are NH, SH and the globe (obviously all include ocean temperature data), and the decline is not nearly as precipitous.Thanks.

Tony, I hope u have submitted your resume to the Trump transition team. It is imperative that those people see and hear, first-hand, the precise and true nature of the data falsification that has taken place the past two decades. No one besides you appears to recognize or acknowledge its existence.

The incoming administration must be properly educated before policy begins to be shaped, and especially before Trump even thinks about altogether reneging or softening his promises to stop the payments to the UN climate fund and dump the Paris climate treaty. Nothing short of full American withdrawal from the UNFCCC should be considered acceptable. And the rest of the world and the local watermelons will be applying immense pressure to get some concessions in his position.

He must be educated, as stated above, and then the administration must present the evidence (I mean PROOF) of this deception to the American people. Popular support of the majority is absolutely necessary to bring to bear political pressure on the Congress – to turn the Watermelonons in Congress from Crusaders into Public Fools. Needless to say, the watermelons and other radicals and useful idiots can never be reasoned with or educated, but the ignorant masses who simply believe what they’ve heard can be educated; they simply need to be SHOWN the truth – from a credible source.

Give us some assurance, Tony, that you’re working on this with them. (If not yet, you damn well ought to be!)

Where does all of those billions of dollars go? How does throwing money at a corrupt institution help anything? What caused the many ice ages and warming periods of the past? Why cant they make a model that actually works? Everyone believes in climate change. Not everyone believes man is causing it.

“The sun caused global warming post-1980 during the end of the modern maximum in solar activity.

I’ll repeat the same prediction I made last year: 2016 will not be a record year as inevitably lower TSI in 2016 will not support record high temps like higher TSI did in 2014-15.

OHC is now being exhausted at the same time solar activity is now becoming low enough for insufficient ocean warming, and therefore we will cool overall until solar activity picks up again, in the early 2020s.

Conclusions are based on my solar supersensitivity-accumulation model.”

I was referring to sea surface temperatures. That the land temps are also dropping so fast is icing on the cake.

TSI monthlies dropped sharply Feb to April, then essentially flattened out with small changes, and equatorial OHC followed, continuing the drop from the solar cycle TSI max in early 2015, and the CDAS global SST has stayed around 0.4 for some time this year until very recently when it took a nosedive.

Jack Striker (above) posted what I was going to comment on. Colder than a Witch’s T in Eastern Siberia for the last 2 weeks. And Arctic jet pattern wave that set that up in Siberia will settle on North America by late December.

But to add, when that cold wave in the NH reaches the Western Hemisphere,…. it is going to be one nasty cold winter Jan-Feb in Canada and the Northern US.

Nor do insults. Yes moron and clueless are insults and do not help your cause. The only thing worse than being a know-it-all is being an arrogant know-it-all. Worst of all you tell him to ask questions and also tell him STFU.

El Nino over.Trump – as far as a clean environment, need to clean GISS and NOAA and EPA of propagandists and propaganda war budget, plus the army of others in gov pushing baseless nonscientific crap on nonextent global warming caused by the green (i.e.more plants) trace gas CO2 and anthropomorphic emissions.Aside, China’s recent warning of US backing out of climate deal, they would prefer us or US destroying economy with higher energy prices and wasted gov directed and regulated resource use while they sell us solar panels. It is all about politics, let us return to science and end the propaganda.

End of el Nino was my first thought too. (Is there another possible meteorological reason?)

Have said for several years the GW scam can only be seriously challenged by a politician with NO previous connections to existing policies, thus avoiding charges of hypocrisy or u-turning. Trump is untainted by the stupidity so can speak some brutal home truths and follow up with complete reform AND the necessary inquiries. People and organisations should be held to account.

I love all my brothers and sisters on the anti AGW side. But did you ever think its cooling this much BECAUSE IT WAS SO WARM BEFORE? look at this graphic, created in mid 2015scroll down in the article to graphic 2. Notice the forecast for the warmth and then the coolinghttps://patriotpost.us/opinion/38793Now look here to see what is going on in the bigger picture against the actual 90 day trailing mean. Its cooler, because it was so warm.. but its still well above normalhttp://models.weatherbell.com/climate/cfsr_t2m_2005.pngIn fact November is right now ranked number 1 in the 35 year mean !http://models.weatherbell.com/climate/ncep_cfsr_t2m_anom.pngI doubt it finishes there but top 5 as October was, certainly. Where you do have a point and why I made the forecast in 15 is the tropical oceans. ( red line http://models.weatherbell.com/climate/cdas_v2_tropics_2014.png. ) they are near normal for the first time in a couple of years and that is what you should be looking at as the earth will go the way of the main source region for the planetary climate.

BTW I outlined all this, the abnormal warmth in the polar regions in their cold seasons and why its a deceptive metric ( mixing ratios are much better to determine where the climate is going, water vapor in grams/kg) and why the warming over the poles may lead to less, not more extreme weather, here. https://patriotpost.us/opinion/43756

It is very warm right now. A team that was 0-12 going to 3-9 has made infinite improvement. But its still a losing team. The rapid drop is because it was so warm to start with. And it was predictable. By itself its nothing to write home about. In the big picture, it means nature is in control and that the warm time now is nothing new under the sun. Peace

You guys all seem very intelligent, and sound like you have it all figured out. I hope you guys make it to a position that can actually make a difference in this world. Talking to you, Joe, Bob, and Andy.

When I hear the same old crap about ” 98% of all scientists say it’s real”…….. I say, okay, fantastic …. give me the list of scientists…. all of their names, where they were educated, who they work for…. do they get government grants from any country and does their livelihoods depend on it for a pay check……. what is their accuracy rate….. are they using actual data or mere computer models and then who writes the algorithms ????? You will hear crickets !!!

It seems as if some are actually blaming the “Earth” for discriminating against poor people, because the Earth is cooling? We humans are nothing but fleas to the Planet Earth, and the Earth will purge us again as it has in the past.

To think that WE are in control of the Earth and all it’s glory and failings is quite arrogant isn’t it?

Which is why the breeders should be the people that care enough to be the good stewards of the planet. Note that “steward” here is in the old sense, where it implies ownership, management, and use of the planet, not this new “we have to make everyone else go live in caves” attitude of modern Globalwarmers.

But are the GW’s having kids? Nope. Are Alt-westers? Yep. Keep it up and we’ll breed the warmers out, given the elimination of warmer propaganda from schools.

Our climate is influenced by our Sun, more than anything else. Actually, our climate is totally controlled by the Sun. We have been at a historically low sunspot activity. If anything, we should brace for a mini (and maybe not so mini) ice age.

This correlates directly with the drop in solar activity. The fact that an enormous nearby thermonuclear explosion 50 times larger than Jupiter is never considered as a factor influencing “climate change” reveals the fact that climate change is merely a political agenda by leftist “scientists.”

As any common sense, objective, knowledgable person has said for years. You better hope it is global warming because the loss of even a month of growing season from global cooling in the middle latitudes will lead to incredible famine. Global warming produces bounty. Global cooling will produce death.

This is selective reporting to give an inaccurate picture. Notice that this article says that these are temperatures over land. So this doesn’t tell us whether the earth as a whole is warming or cooling. It is only looking at air temperatures over land. It is not looking at air temperature over the oceans or the water temperatures. We know that one of teh reasons that air temperatures have not been rising as much in recent years is that a lot of the heat has been absorbed into the oceans. When all the data is considered, the trend is still warming. 11 of the last 12 months have set warming records.

The sea temperatures are not rising and all of this “climate change” panic pushing is faculty lounge, armchair science ignoring the fact that adding CO2 to the atmosphere reduces air’s IR capture by driving water vapor out and it is seven times better at capturing IR, molecule for molecule, than CO2.

All of this nonsense has been a full-employment program for corrupt Ph.D.s that would not have jobs without it. It has long been a sellout of science for money more worthy of alchemy than modern science.

If carbon dioxide made the earth significantly warmer, we would never get out of a natural heating cycle because the warmer the earth gets, the more CO2 our oceans release. If climate change theology was fact instead of fiction, all life on earth would have been destroyed by heat millions of years ago.

All of this “global warming,” “climate change” panic is baloney. The facts are very simple:

CO2 is a “trace gas” in air and is insignificant by definition. It would have to be increased by a factor of 2500 to be considered “significant” or “notable.” To give it the great power claimed is a crime against physical science.

CO2 absorbs 1/7th as much IR, heat energy, from sunlight per molecule as water vapor which has 188 times as many molecules capturing 1200 times as much heat producing 99.9% of all “global warming.” CO2 does only 0.1% of it. Pushing panic about any effect CO2 could have is clearly a fraud.

There is no “greenhouse effect” in an atmosphere. A greenhouse has a solid, clear cover trapping heat. The atmosphere does not trap heat as gas molecules cannot form surfaces to work as greenhouses that admit and reflect energy depending on sun angle. Gases do not form surfaces as their molecules are not in contact.

The Medieval Warming from 800 AD to 1300 AD Micheal Mann erased for his “hockey stick” was several Fahrenheit degrees warmer than anything “global warmers” fear. It was 500 years of world peace and abundance, longest ever.

Vostock Ice Core data analysis show CO2 rises followed temperature by 800 years 19 times in 450,000 years. Therefore temperature change is cause and CO2 change is effect. This alone refutes the anthropogenic global warming hypothesis.

Methane is called “a greenhouse gas 20 to 500 times more potent than CO2,” by Heidi Cullen and Jim Hansen, but it is not per the energy absorption chart at the American Meteorological Society. It has an absorption profile very similar to nitrogen which is classified “transparent” to IR, heat waves and is only present to 18 ppm. “Vegans” blame methane in cow flatulence for global warming in their war against meat consumption.

Carbon combustion generates 80% of our energy. Control and taxing of carbon would give the elected ruling class more power and money than anything since the Magna Carta of 1215 AD.

Most scientists and science educators work for tax supported institutions. They are eager to help government raise more money for them and they love being seen as “saving the planet.”

Read the whole story in “Vapor Tiger” at Amazon.com, Kindle $2.99 including a free Kindle reading program for your computer. We have an inexpensive demo-experiment that proves CO2 increases have no effect on IR heat giant until 10,000 ppm and they cool the atmosphere by driving water vapor out!

I do not understand why eight months would be a period used for comparison of temperatures. Unless eight is simply the number of months which, at this time, most dramatizes a point you want to make. But please correct me: Does the eight-month period find regular employment in climatology?

That warming scare paper is pure fraud, following in the footsteps of alarmist sneer-monkey Richard Alley, who looked at the tiny size of past CO2 changes that he was trying to use as an explanation for paleo temperature history (Alley studied ice cores), and instead of drawing the logical implication–that CO2 CANNOT have been “the biggest control knob”–he claimed the opposite: that the tiny temperature forcing effect of CO2, together with the ASSUMPTION that past temperature change WAS driven by CO2, implies that the tiny forcing effect must be getting multiplied up many times by water vapor feedback effects (“climate sensitivity”). The tinier the CO2 forcing effects the more they must be getting multiplied up if they are to account for observed warming, which similarly multiplies up the warming that Alley and others predicts will be caused today’s tiny CO2 forcing effects.

Yup, that is their trick. The smaller they estimate past CO2 forcings to have been the more potent they claim CO2 to be as a driver of global warming to be. This latest study apparently found that CO2 forcing effects are so tiny compared to the warming they are trying to explain by it that these tiny forcings would have to be multiplied up SEVEN TIMES by water vapor feedback effects, a level of climate sensitivity that is radically unstable, while paleo temperature history clearly shows global climate to actually be wuite stable.

The real implication of their findings is that CO2 IS NOT THE EXPLANATION FOR PAST OR PRESENT CLIMATE CHANGE, not very much of it anyway, and not at any significant multiple of its very small tenperature forcing effect. The very data they are looking at shoots down their CO2 warming theory, but being a cadre of fraudulent political propagandists they claim the opposite.

Just remember, every time they claim high climate sensitivity what it really means is that the direct warming effect of CO2 is tiny compared to the climate change they are trying to attribute to it. The weaker their evidence the more alarmist their predictions. That is how they turn CO2 lemons into alarmist lemonade.

I graphed the data cited as the source of the original graph. If you have more data for me I’d be happy to graph it for you. In the meantime I just wanted to point out that the graph doesn’t match the data it claims to be using.

What are the x and y values graphed as your last point? Visually, it looks to be approximately (2016, -1.2). However, the last few points in the source data are as follows:2015.92 0.7172016 0.8052016.08 1.292016.17 1.2132016.25 1.0232016.33 0.6542016.42 0.6412016.5 0.6632016.58 0.72016.67 0.7352016.75 0.12

I see now that the following calculation is being performed on the source data:x=timey=tempz=values graphed in OP’s graphz(x)=y(x)-y(x-2/3)

The source data was unlabeled so it was not clear to me that a calculation was being performed. It’s unfortunate that you repeatedly chose to call me names instead of explaining how the calculation was performed. I wasn’t taking a political stance, I was just trying to understand the information being presented. Please correct me if I’m still missing something.

Sorry, but we are used to people coming in and saying “wrong graph” and we get a bit tired of it.So if I came across as somewhat grumpy.. that’s life. I though you took an accusatory tone from the start, so reacted in kind.

I regularly check TH’s graphs from data, and I have yet to find a major error.

His graph is clearly marked as an 8 month difference. A very simple calculation.

I understand your frustration. I see that a lot of people in here are similarly confused by the data. It is indeed a simple calculation. I think this issue is that people (like me) didn’t realize a calculation was being performed. Tony’s graph is well-labeled, but the source data doesn’t have titles, so people assume the y-values should be the same as on Tony’s graph. Since so many people are confused, maybe you or Tony could use my explanation to make thing more clear.

I have a thick skin, so you can name-call if you want. I just wanted to point out that it doesn’t further your argument. Instead, it alienates people and makes it harder for anyone to reassess their preconceived notions in light of new data.

Once it’s clear that global cooling is the reality and that AGW was not only wrong but a redistributionist hoax, how does the left explain to the world’s people that they wrongly confiscated and spent trillions on this asinine and discredited theory?

Some very good… and factual information here. Too bad the “millenials” can’take read well enough to understand it – but then they get all there news from Myley Cyrus anyway.

31,000 scientists have noted there is no evidence of man-made climate change – 31+ times the 900, or so, from the IPCC that preach the disproven theory they receive government funding to support, who totally ignore the sun’s cycles, which are the primary determinants of global temp cycles.

And the Pope and various government leaders conveniently ignore the real science, because it doesn’the support there political agenda of global wealth redistribution from the developed nations to the undeveloped nations.

Of course temps are cooling. It is called a “moander minimum.” The climate has been changing for the past 4.5 billion years or so and will continue to change until the sun explodes and destroys this little blue marble.

As a rather maniacal observer of, as I put it, “what makes people do the things they do,” and layman on this subject, I must say that this is one of the most entertaining climate change feeds then I’ve had the pleasure to read. Of course, there is no way in God’s green earth (little g-reen) that anyone (over the last two decades) has convinced me that Chicken Little isn’t alive and well. A certain party has not convinced the majority to believe that the end of times is imminent over this. What I love, or despise, about this cacophony of arrogance, is that it was fomented by this certain party to create a problem that doesn’t exist in order to declare themselves the only one capable of fixing it, advertising 101. Forgive me for intruding in this debate, but I simply couldn’t help myself. I am offended by the abuse of, or should I say desperation of the pro CW…now CC…later, who knows what word play… in order to keep grant funding, popularity, etc. I have become a complete radical against anything green, now. I consider this the fault and responsibility of the overfunded Chicken Littles. I live part-time in three different cities, two of which couldn’t care less about all the green hoopla. The third, being Aspen, quite the reverse, of course. I thank God every day for not being as gullible as half the population seems to be. If anything will destroy this world, it will be the spiteful rhetoric, ignorance and global sporting event for ultimate power permeating these times. A little more heat or a little more cool won’t matter in the least. Moot. Period. So those of you declaring 98% of the experts agree are an immediate write- off to me, and totally deserving of my distain. Do I need to say there are many people out there like me, maybe even 98%. No need to remark on my statement, I’m moving on. Just food for thought. Terrific discourse here, however, thanks!

Millennial here… soaking up some real knowledge. Thank you.It seems clear that GW is a total Hoax to spend tax money on “science”. I wonder where that money really goes. I’ve read this entire thread, some really good info here.

I’ve been saying for years we’re entering a cooling phase. My source is “Old Reliable.” What is that? The Vostok ice core data that goes back over 400,000 years. It’s very cyclical and consistent. The data graph strongly points to a long-term trend on the horizon. I believe the primary causes of the consistency of the data are the sun’s cycles and the earth’s axial and orbital wobbles.

Of course, ocean currents, water vapor, and volcanic activity also contribute to changes in some regions. For example, the Sahara Desert was lush with green 11,000 years ago and the glaciers were in the process of receding from upper North America.

Even if we are responsible for some of the warming that occurred during the last century, it is a very, very insignificant contribution. It is very possible we have been contributing to global cooling. Again, it would have been an insignificant contribution. What we ARE responsible for is air, land, and water pollution caused by human beings. No doubt about that! And if we have a nuclear war, we will be significant contributors to global cooling, depending on how many monster mushrooms we create.

The solar output is probably the biggest contributor to the earth’s temperature. The sun is currently at a very low historical level of activity. That is why global temperatures on Earth and Mars are dropping. It has nothing to do with global warming because we are actually seeing global cooling. So for you global warming worshipers cooling is the opposite of warming.

It has been forecast that we may achieve a Maunder Minimum around 2030. If that happen the only thing you can do is buy farmland near the equator. Then you can expect a small ice age in the Northern Latitudes. That is what happened the last time we experienced a Maunder Minimum in 1645.

Temperature dropped from 1.21 in March 2016 to 0.12 in September 2016. This is indeed surprising. But why was there such a large drop?

I noticed that 1.21 is a record high value for March of any year in the data set, whereas 0.12 is a pretty typical value for September. Is this large drop simply due to the record high temperature in March this year?

The personal behavior of 1% of the U. S. population results in their CO2 footprint being 50 TIMES the average of the other 99%. Not surprising to anyone. What does surprise people is when they realize this means this small group is responsible for more than 33% of ALL U. S. CO2 emissions (all CO2 emissions are attributable to people) and were this small group to only emit 25 TIMES the average of everyone else, OVERALL U. S. CO2 emissions would immediately (not over decades) decline 17%. Could ANY of you AGW folks please explain why all the plans being implemented and proposed will allow this small group to continue their behavior unabated while financially hammering the lower income and middle classes, just for being alive. Please hurry with your explanation, for it is an emergency, you tell us. YOUR explanation for this could change many of those rubes minds about the existence of AGW. BTW, NO ONE has been able to explain this……………………………………………….because it is just part of the scam. THANKS! Should we all wait here for your explanation?

This will also correlate the fact that in 99 years, all of human kind who are living today will be wiped out by death during that time. Oh sure, there will be some survivors, but withing 120 years they will be gone, too. And it is all natural, not man-made.

Climate Change is real ….the only issue is whether or not mankind’s contribution to it is a problem. The Gorebots – including Obama, Kerry and the several fatuous ‘celebrities’ – DeNiro, DeCaprio, and a whole bunch of other followers, simply ignore the science that disproves their claim and blindly glom on to the fraudulent studies produced and promoted by the original global warming advocates from the East Anglican University in the UK.

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Pleistocene Epoch (last Ice Age) began about 1.8 million years ago and lasted until about 11,700 years ago. It ended without a car, truck or airplane in sight. Gee Wiz, the Earth gets hot & cold without Man!!!! Could Climate Change be from the Sun or the Earth’s orbit around it. Lets sue somebody!!!!

The past 8 months saw a record drop in temps. The rest of the graph just shows it’s a record drop in temps for the past 8 months. There are no other 8 month periods on the graph where temps went from that high..to that low…this fast

Uh oh. A LOT of global-warming leftwingnut fruitcakes are not going to like this news. They’ll be demanding that CNN, CBS, NBC, and ABC retract this “cooling” news immediately. Matter of fact, it may never even make it to the “news’.

Google: Sea Level NOAA Battery. the graph there shows no trend change back to 1850 when world pop. was 1 billion. It’s now 7 billion and burning of hydrocarbons has increased even faster, yet increased polar ice cap melting has NOT occurred.

Not to mention the fact that melting pack ice has no effect on sea level. Aside from the fact that the pack ice represents an absolutely trivial amount of the total water in the oceans, floating ice already displaces its own mass of liquid water. That’s why it floats.

Fill a glass with ice and water to the rim, and wait for the ice to melt. Does it overflow? No, it does not.

Its not the USA that is leading the world in air pollution its China. I don’t see them doing anything to lower their Co2 emissions. They are building coal fired power plants at a rate of 1 a week with no end in sight. As far as population goes, if we didn’t feed all the stupid starving people in the world who can’t control their own sex drives, there wouldn’t be a population problem. Whatever you subsidize, you create more of. Give poor people money to have babies and you will get more babies. Of course, this serves our Democratic Party well. The more people depend on the government for their income the less likely they are to leave the plantation.

Could it be that the Russian scientist are correct that the sun is going into a very low energy level and the sun’s own magnet fields are shifting. Very close to what happen in the 1840/1860 when it snowed on in Kansas and New England in June, July, August.

Fossil fuels allow Millennials the luxury to be more concerned about their gender and which bathroom to use than how they eat, heat their homes, transport themselves, find clean water, sip their fair trade coffee with extra foam.

This eight month cooling anomaly is most likely due to the effects of direct climate engineering operations. The climate analysis from the same source shows signification warming of the troposphere over the last 35 years:

Tropospheric Temperature

There are three tropospheric temperature datasets available from RSS, TLT (Temperature Lower Troposphere), TMT (Temperature Middle Troposphere), and TTT (Temperature Tropical Troposphere, after Fu and Johansen). Using these datasets, we can investigate whether there have been significant changes in the tropospheric temperature over the last 35 years, and whether or not the spatial patterns of these changes agree with those predicted by climate models.

Over the past decade, we have been collaborating with Ben Santer at LLNL (along with numerous other investigators) to compare our tropospheric results with the predictions of climate models. Our results can be summarized as follows:

Over the past 35 years, the troposphere has warmed significantly. The global average temperature has risen at an average rate of about 0.13 degrees Kelvin per decade (0.23 degrees F per decade). Climate models cannot explain this warming if human-caused increases in greenhouse gases are not included as input to the model simulation. The spatial pattern of warming is consistent with human-induced warming. See Santer et al 2008, 2009, 2011, and 2012 for more about the detection and attribution of human induced changes in atmospheric temperature using MSU/AMSU data.

Santer is a liar and a fraud. Just like Hansen, Schmidt, Mann, Schneider, Jones, Karl, Petersen, Dessler, Hayhoe, Alley, Wigly, Holdren, Erlich, and the rest of the cabal that make up the “consensus.” And he also has a propensity toward violence against his fellow scientists who disagree with his fraudulent positions.

The CLUB OF ROME, just ONE of MANY ~ FRONT ORGANIZATIONS ~ of the Western “elites” is the organization that came up with “global warming”, back in 1991, in their publication, entitled THE FIRST GLOBAL REVOLUTION.

“In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution,the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome. The real enemy then, is humanity itself.” — excerpt from THE FIRST GLOBAL REVOLUTION, by CLUB OF ROME, 1991.

2016 will very likely be the hottest year on record and a new high for the third year in a row, according to the UN. It means 16 of the 17 hottest years on record will have been this century.

The scorching temperatures around the world, and the extreme weather they drive, mean the impacts of climate change on people are coming sooner and with more ferocity than expected, according to scientists.

The World Meteorological Organization (WMO) report, published on Monday at the global climate summit in Morocco, found the global temperature in 2016 is running 1.2C above pre-industrial levels. This is perilously close to to the 1.5C target included as an aim of the Paris climate agreement last December.