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Well, it's been established that titan-shifting requires stamina, so I guess that could be prevented through sleep deprivation or through the denial of nutrition. Of course, I don't think it's been said what exactly happens when a shifter tries to break their "limit". Are they unable to maintain the Titan's body, causing it to dissolve? Do they simply die? Do they lose control of the Titan body with the loss of willpower?

kitten, maybe everyone is "trying to put your opinion in the trash bin" because it's incredibly biased. I can tell you're trying not to be sometimes by admitting it, but you still are making biased arguments.

For example, you're twisting Hanji's words. She didn't "open up" to the titans, she became obsessed with them out of curiosity. As for her saying things may not be what they seem, that's a pretty vague statement that you're intentionally changing the meaning of to defend Annie with.

Take her underground. Titans get their strength from sunlight; That is why Armin and the others were trying to lure annie underground and why she resisted going down their.

The lack of sunlight wouldn't have worked to keep her from transforming.

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The shifters were waiting for nightfall because they can move in the darkness and normal titans can't.

And Eren transformed from the inside of a titan stomach.

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Annie is a lot of things, but a kind and good person is not one of them.

She betrayed her comrades and brutally murdered their friends. I'm with Mikasa on this 100%, I don't care about how good a reason she thinks she has that's worth doing all this, she needs to pay!

She uses lies and deceit, sides with the strong against the weak, and then has the nerve to even wonder why she's failed to become a warrior?

Actually, she failed because she didn't do that enough. Because she spared Armin.

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Give me a break. Time to take off the waifu glasses and look at this objectively.

She was never their comrade. From the beginning, she was and is the enemy. It doesn't matter if they like or hate her, if she has redeeming quality or not, people should be able to recognize this. She's the enemy. She serves those who've already killed a significant percentage the human population, and are coming back for more.

Oh, I'll sail my Annie/Eren ship to the bottom of the depths if need be. She's currently my favorite character, so I want to see her live through this.

Now, that I have clearly stated my bias, to the talk at hand.

Anyway, Annie currently is the most interesting character to me, she's a young girl who's grown up in who knows what conditions, but she seems to be holding a grudge against something. She's been ousted as a titan to the audience but her story is still a complete mystery.

She's a tough girl by some accounts, but I get the feeling that there is something behind her that's even got her scared witless, since she does not seem like a gladly abiding accomplice. Her goal is a complete mystery (since infiltration will be pointless if it was just to KILL ALL HUMANS) and the same goes for her motives.

Anyway, until her backstory has been completely clarified, most opinions can be considered premature.

I think what needs to be taken away from this is that you can look at any villain and see multiple sides to them. The fact that Annie isn't completely bad makes her more interesting (and perhaps tragic), just like it's more interesting to see a good guy who has flaws and has to deal with them. That being said, we still have no idea why Annie does what she does, and should wait until more is revealed.

Take her underground. Titans get their strength from sunlight; That is why Armin and the others were trying to lure annie underground and why she resisted going down their.

I'm not convinced the reason they took her underground is because she loses her power. The only tangible evidence for that was Eren in the well but that was explained by him not having a goal. My thought for their action was if they took her deep enough underground, she can't transform due to the physical constraint of getting stuck.

If you look near the end of the second opening, Eren titan was getting up with dirt and stone falling off his back in the city. The way the story is at right now you can almost say for certain it means he transformed under the tunnel. So sunlight can't be a factor.

If the smart Titans won out in the end than Annie would be a Hero. If the humans won out in the end than Annie would be a villain.

Except we don't know what the other side even is, or what their goals are. All we know is that whoever Annie is working for, had the gates broken and indirectly caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people. They have not done a single thing (through their agents of course) to suggest they are just misunderstood, or simply fighting a war. What war are you guys even talking about here? The humans are getting wiped out, slowly but surely. That's no war. That's an extermination...

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Except we don't know what the other side even is, or what their goals are. All we know is that whoever Annie is working for, had the gates broken and indirectly caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people. They have not done a single thing (through their agents of course) to suggest they are just misunderstood, or simply fighting a war. What war are you guys even talking about here? The humans are getting wiped out, slowly but surely. That's no war. That's an extermination...

They haven't really done anything to point to a motive so far. Annihilating humanity can't be the goal because that is too easy, it would simply be a matter of keeping up the assault, no reason to wait five years when you can can probably finish it in one. It's likely that they see the lives of all those humans less than, or insignificant compared to the major goal, so I won't refute their jerks (generally).

That said, Annie's own reasoning for being part of this faction is still unclear, whether it be idealistic loyalty or fear of reprisal is not even hinted at; which makes debating the topic of Annie's personality... difficult.

On a different note, I wonder if the berserk aspect is not unique to Eren. Annie seemed to be jovially slaughtering recon at some points and depressed at others, so "flipping out" might just be at thing for them generally; and I suppose Eren seems a little more crazy in his title form (dude was always a bit odd)