So it's going to come from Republicans that Democrats like and not the Republicans that they villianize?

Doesn't matter.

The US is cooperating with INTERPOL to extradite "Sam Bacile" to Egypt for that idiotic movie, Sheriff Baca is preparing to enforce Sharia law in LA County, and it's pretty farking clear that Law and Order supporters can't wait to Islamify the US. I expect they're coming in their pants thinking about getting to chop off some hands for shop lifting.

The only thing that confused me is if the same people really think Obama is a Sekrit Muslim, why they didn't support him, but then I remembered that he's black.

StashMonster:I didn't bother to watch the 10 minute video that goes with this, although I have no doubt it would help.

My first reaction to this was frustration - how was she persuaded exactly? There must be a lot more to this. I expect it comes down to lack of other support services that she would be able to access if she lived in other countries.

It might be pointless expecting there to be any such things in Bangladesh, though. How in hell's name it would be possible to make all the social changes needed for her to be able to be really independent of her husband's family (and blind as well) I have no idea.

It doesn't seem right that signing some affadavit got him off the hook. That's the only thing I can think of that the government of Bangladesh could see to right away that would generally change things for the better - take a hard line on this sort of behaviour. But then again I've seen someone do less than a year for cutting his girlfriend's throat in this country (UK).

Oh fark it. The whole world in general is just so messed up. I despair.

It's mostly this. There is no other support system, I'm guessing she and her family is very poor and she has no education or other marketable skills; and that her husband's family is probably wealthy (or, at least, wealthier than hers). She is now blind and helpless; ergo, she would be reduced to begging or prostitution if her husband's family did not take her in.

Like many 3d World countries, the "government" of Bangladesh barely exists as an actual entity. It's a mishmash of corrupt military leaders who need all the money (foreign and domestic) to pay off the army so it doesn't overthrow them, and soft-headed do-gooders in the pay of various special interests who likewise lack the cash to do anything but sit around and argue who needs the meager resources more. On the rare occasions both sides actually agree to do anything, it's usually in response to a war or a natural disaster that's killed half a million people. So the plight of 90 or so acid victims barely gets any notice at all.

Which is not to denigrate the Bengali government; they do try; but they've only been in place as an entity since about 1970. Women are not well-regarded there; bride-selling is even more rampant than it is in India; and this woman is probably luckier than most in that she's even got a home and wasn't turned out into the street to starve. (Which she may well be now that her story has gone to the media) It's a clusterf*ck of a country.

I'm appalled at the reaction of most of the commenters of this forum.It's important to realize that every culture is different. Instead of vilifying the man, we should try to understand the cultural upringing that led to his particular decision.

nytmare:Do these third-world freaks keep acid lying around to throw at potential home invaders? Science experiments? Hunting? Or do they keep a flask handy just to throw at any woman who crosses them. Why is it so common to have a barrel of acid handy to toss around in the heat of passion?

In 2002, Bangladesh introduced the death penalty for throwing acid and laws strictly controlling the sale, use, storage, and international trade of acids.

And this should come as a surprise to no one; from the same Wikipedia article:

This law is not binding and is rarely enforced according to a New York Times report

The article also notes that India is the fourth most dangerous place for a woman thanks primarily to acid throwing, which is used as retaliation for divorce and spurned advances. Acid is also frequently thrown as a way to enforce the caste system in India.

This is going to sound pandering and naively American, but can I take her in? Like, sort of adopt her? I have money and a home with extra rooms. I would like to give her or someone like her a chance at education and a life... :( I see a lot of these stories... they make my heart ache.

Mrbogey:nytmare: Do these third-world freaks keep acid lying around to throw at potential home invaders? Science experiments? Hunting? Or do they keep a flask handy just to throw at any woman who crosses them. Why is it so common to have a barrel of acid handy to toss around in the heat of passion?

You can buy muriatic by the gallon in every major city in America with not a whit given. They use it for cleaning concrete and it's available in every hardware store Want sulfuric acid? Go to an automotive place. Many will sell it as battery acid.

Either way, 3-5 bucks and you'll have more than enough.

Flouric acid is especially nasty in that it kills the cells quickly and will cause them to slough off hours after even though you'll feel no pain. No clue on where to get that stuff. Mail-order at least.

Hydrofluoric acid is used for glass etching and can be ordered from chemical supply companies. That one will do more than just disfigure though. It will absorb through the skin and stop your heart too. I imagine the goal isn't to kill... just to maim horribly. It's awful and it's not going to stop until women have both the right and ability to be educated as well as the men in these countries.

francisright:I'm appalled at the reaction of most of the commenters of this forum.It's important to realize that every culture is different. Instead of vilifying the man, we should try to understand the cultural upringing that led to his particular decision.

I understand it enough to know that it has no place in the modern world and should be eliminated sooner rather than later. Not by killing a bunch of people necessarily, but the kind of people who think acid attacks are an acceptable "next step" don't strike me as the kind of people who, in general, will react to well-reasoned and thoughtful debate.

nytmare:Do these third-world freaks keep acid lying around to throw at potential home invaders? Science experiments? Hunting? Or do they keep a flask handy just to throw at any woman who crosses them. Why is it so common to have a barrel of acid handy to toss around in the heat of passion?

I've got gallons of it (chlorine / muriatic). You probably do to in the form of household cleaners or in your garage.

For all the shiat the American legal system gets for basically automatically awarding children to the mother in a divorce, stuff like this is the reason why it evolved that way. You don't want mother-in-laws or fathers or anyone forcing a woman back into an abusive relationship because of her kids. Now, of course, if the woman is the abuser...you know what, that point isn't relevant to this discussion and I won't open that can. But you see the point. This woman is going to die because someone else can manipulate her because of children that shouldn't even still be in the custody of anyone in that family.

francisright:I'm appalled at the reaction of most of the commenters of this forum.It's important to realize that every culture is different. Instead of vilifying the man, we should try to understand the cultural upringing that led to his particular decision.

charmbomb:This is going to sound pandering and naively American, but can I take her in? Like, sort of adopt her? I have money and a home with extra rooms. I would like to give her or someone like her a chance at education and a life... :( I see a lot of these stories... they make my heart ache.

I suspect that if the husband and the mother-in-law got even the slightest inkling that an outsider was trying to spirit her away to a better life they'd have her killed in a heartbeat. And they'd get away with it, too.

Also, look at what this woman has already sacrificed to stay in contact with her sons*. I doubt that she'd leave them behind. They're probably the only thing keeping her from suicide at this point.

Your heart is in the right place, but sadly there's nothing that any Westerner can do about this. What are we going to do? Boycott Bangladeshi exported goods? All that the place produces is natural disasters and human misery, anyway. Cut off aid to one of the poorest countries in the entire world? That won't work either.

/* I do find myself wondering if she has daughters as well, but simply didn't mention them because even she has internalised the vile misogyny that permeates this entire sorry scenario

francisright:I'm appalled at the reaction of most of the commenters of this forum.It's important to realize that every culture is different. Instead of vilifying the man, we should try to understand the cultural upringing that led to his particular decision.

I've done some farked up shiat to people who've crossed me. I also know first hand what an acid burn does to human flesh, and I wouldn't wish those scars on my worst enemy. There's nothing like it, it burns and burns and keeps you awake at night until you're pretty sure the sedatives are just going to farking kill you instead of let you sleep, and you don't care anymore because at least you won't have to deal with it come morning. Heroin or morphine takes the edge off the pain, but it still farking hurts and there's nothing you can do about it. I'm not proud of it, but I ended up selling the pain meds the doctor gave me to get stronger opiates. It's a damned good thing I don't have a taste for them, I was using heroin and morphine hard enough I ended up in withdrawals when the pain finally stopped. Half a year later. I still have trouble looking at the scar on my leg and that shiat happened because I farked up with a beaker, I can't even imagine a violent attack using an acid as a weapon. At least I can reason that I was the dumb ass that broke the vial, so it was my own damned fault. I can't even imagine what it would be like to be on the end of an attack that used a strong corrosive as a weapon.

To do that to someone's face intentionally... fark me, there's nothing in the world you could do to me to convince me that's a good punishment for... anything. You could rape and kill my mother and I wouldn't throw acid in your face. No one deserves that, not even the cocksucker who did it. He may be in need of a bullet behind the ear, but NO ONE deserves that pain. I can't even fathom... fark.

FTA: ""He threatened me and beat me a few nights back," she told film-makers for global charity VSO.She added: "People would think a husband would take care of a blind wife. But this doesn't happen. This is how my days go by."

I'm pretty tame now that I'm a bit older, but I want someone to kill this man. Not a farking revenge killing, no gore porn or bullshiat fantasies, just put a farking pistol at the base of his skull, angle it up, and make him dead. He's not a farking human, he needs to be eliminated like any other dangerous animal. fark me, we might do a hell of a lot of farked up shiat to each other as humans(and I've been a happy part of that tradition, I'm no saint) but there are limits.

My heart goes out to this woman. I can't imagine the pain she went through and to have this happen to her after the attack... I really hope someone in the position to make it right has a pistol and a conscience, but that's just wishful thinking. I"m not sure I've ever actually wished death on someone before, but I honestly hope someone douses that bastard in gasoline and lights him on fire. In public. To do that to another human, regardless of the relationship... fark.

/I'm going to go get drunk and look at cute subtitled pictures of cats.//fark me, I'm an ocean away but I'd gladly cut that farker's throat open. I have a straight razor on my desk he wouldn't even feel until he bled out.///probably better to go look at some cats and not get too worked up about shiat I have nothing to do with.////I'm gonna go do that, this story makes me sick to my stomach, but there's not a damned thing I can do about it.

jjorsett:Prey4reign: Greta_VanHouten: Poor woman. I hope some human rights group will be able to take her to some western nation where she'll get medical care and be kept safe. Someone should throw acid on the mother in law who bailed out her scumbag son.

Proposing an horrific solution to an horrific act doesn't really advance us as a people.

Are we really sure about that? If appropriate and certain retaliation resulted every time one of these acts was perpetrated, don't you think that most people would conclude the crime wasn't worth the cost to themselves? I'd count it as advancing ourselves as a people if it cut down on the number of women burned in the face with acid or subjected to an honor killing.

We can't mobilize the Big Red One every time a woman is mistreated in another country.

I hate to say it; but, they have to solve their own problems. If we try to solve everyone's problems; we'll have more Iraqs, we'll have more afganistans.

This is, after all, the area of the world that even the Romans had trouble keeping in line; the area of the world that Alexander the Great couldn't conquer.

Even if we did intervene; it wouldn't do any good. We would have to change the culture at a fundamental level; which could take centuries.

/ that is why we have organizations to help people, because intervening is impractical to say the least

This is, after all, the area of the world that even the Romans had trouble keeping in line; the area of the world that Alexander the Great couldn't conquer.

Genghis could have done it :) or at least Temujin.

Maybe; but those goddamn Mongolians haven't been much of a threat to anyone since Genghis died.

Besides; his empire only existed as long as he lived, like Alexander the Great; but, unlike the ptolemaic peoples, the Greeks and the macedonians; the pieces of temujin's empire couldn't function independently.

lohphat:When your culture treats women like chattel and systematically renders them incapable of living independently through withholding of education and career opportunities, don't be surprised when they're mistreated and rendered vulnerable as family burdens to be bought or sold.

This may be more true than you realize, even in more enlightened Western societies. Over the past 20 years in the USA, for example, as women have become increasingly independent of men and increasingly economically self-reliant, violence against women, including rapes, has decreased significantly. And it's even more true for women who have a relationship with their victimizer (husband, father, etc.)

JonnyBlack:I'm pretty tame now that I'm a bit older, but I want someone to kill this man. Not a farking revenge killing, no gore porn or bullshiat fantasies, just put a farking pistol at the base of his skull, angle it up, and make him dead. He's not a farking human, he needs to be eliminated like any other dangerous animal. fark me, we might do a hell of a lot of farked up shiat to each other as humans(and I've been a happy part of that tradition, I'm no saint) but there are limits.

I'd settle for 20 years or more in prison, but I agree with you that this is a man who needs to be removed from society. Personally, I'm less concerned about seeing justice done than I am sending the message that you can't do this crap and get away with it. "Throw acid in a woman's face and your punishment is you get to marry her" isn't the right message.

Add this guy to the list of people who would be fed to the lions if I were king of the world. Though the list is already so long we'd need to breed more lions or recruit the tigers, bears, hyenas and other critters.

Prey4reign:Greta_VanHouten: Poor woman. I hope some human rights group will be able to take her to some western nation where she'll get medical care and be kept safe. Someone should throw acid on the mother in law who bailed out her scumbag son.

Proposing an horrific solution to an horrific act doesn't really advance us as a people. On the other hand only handing out one year sentences for the horrific act doesn't really advance us much as a people either.

Ah yes, the old "two wrongs don't make a right" excuse that is usually thrown out by white males who never follow that advice that they advocate towards others.