The security officer had a laser on the target that was firing and repeatedly requested back-up support from a Specter gunship, which is commonly used by U.S. Special Operations forces to provide support to Special Operations teams on the ground involved in intense firefights. The fighting at the CIA annex went on for more than four hours  enough time for any planes based in Sigonella Air base, just 480 miles away, to arrive. Fox News has also learned that two separate Tier One Special operations forces were told to wait, among them Delta Force operators.

Everyone is reporting this but they are missing a key point. From the retired Delta operator:

Having spent a good bit of time nursing a GLD (ground Laser Designator) in several garden spots around the world, something from the report jumped out at me.

One of the former SEALs was actively painting the target. That means that Specter WAS ON STATION! Probably an AC130U. A ground laser designator is not a briefing pointer laser. You do not "paint" a target until the weapons system/designator is synched; which means that the AC130 was on station.

Only two places could have called off the attack at that point; the WH situation command (based on POTUS direction) or AFRICOM commander based on information directly from the target area.

If the AC130 never left Sigonella (as Penetta says) that means that the Predator that was filming the whole thing was armed.

If that SEAL was actively "painting" a target; something was on station to engage! And the decision to stand down goes directly to POTUS!

This is far bigger than Watergate.

The second worst feeling in the world has to be the platform crew being desperately asked for help, given a clear target and then having to stand down and watch your fellow Americans die.

The worst has to be the team on the ground knowing that the President just left you to die.

Update: Even with two Predators on station, one unarmed and filming and one armed, the call to stand down comes from the same sources. Earlier today, Bob Owens at PJ Media posts about the responsibility of the order to call off the mission as well as some good info about the AC130s on station.

Update 2: From Adam Baldwin and many of you, here is an audio interview between Rush Limbaugh and a caller identifying as a retired SF Lieutenant Colonel and Special Operations planner for 15 years.

Update 3:Jeff Emanuel thinks that we might be jumping to conclusions and that Jennifer Griffin at FoxNews might have misreported a statement about active laser on a target. I highly respect Jeff and Jennifer. And either could be correct right now. Hopefully, we'll get some clarification.

Update 4: From quoted retired Delta operator, "Jeff is correct (about lasing without air asset) but the only reason you would do that is to determine a specific grid for indirect fire which the SEAL did not have available. You are in an active firefight against mortars and MGs; there is only one reason to cease returning fire and paint a target and it ain't because you thought it was a good time to pull a PMCS on your fucking GLD."

Update 5: The only way I buy that the former SEAL was lasing the target without an active asset to synch to and destroy the target...maybe, just maybe, it was a last stand move. Maybe he did that to give the inbounds a target if he didn't make it...

Update 6: Another (very very trusted) source is saying that the AC130 resources were in the middle of a rotation and that the new resources weren't ready yet so no help would come from Sigonella. So that confirms Panetta's statement.

No doubt about it, Obama should be impeached immediately!!!! Panetta, Clinton, Rice, Carney, etc. should all be fired in disgrace!!!! I could easily curse these traitors out for eternity.....but my heart is so broken, weeping for those four brave, hero, Americans, Obama deserted and left them out to dry & die, in slaughter and death. God will make his righteous justice with Obama and his evil, hate America minions as he see fit!!!

This is fascinating. But, some of us are not familiar with your military terminology. Could you state it in 2 or 3 simple sentences that would explain it to the man on the street? I’ll share it far and wide, if you can.

The PROOF 0bama lied was the false narrative which I believe was SCRIPTED for the staged hostage-taking of Ambassador Stevens. Note that security here was drawn-down BEFORE the event to reduce the number of players 'in the know'. There was to be a 'protest over an anti-Islam YouTube video' where Stevens would be taken hostage. 0bama would negotiate a release, possibly in trade for the Blind Sheik and emerge the superhero right before the election.

Strangely, 0bama decided to stick with the 'Anti-Islam video' narrative even though it didn't make sense any more to do so. 0bama went Islamic extremist, mentioning the 'video' SIX TIMES in his U.N. speech. Worse, he said "The future does not belong to those who insult the Prophet Mohammed". In doing so he denounced 'freedom of speech' in America while promoting Sharia Law (Note that the maker of this 'video' was IMMEDIATELY ARRESTED and is STILL in jail pending trial AFTER the election). It is against Sharia Law to insult the Prophet Mohammed; punishable by death. 0bama essentially denounced our Constitution. Apparently, he thinks the "future does not belong to" any culture where freedom of speech reigns supreme, including the United States of America.

0bama should be immediately brought before Congress for impeachment hearings for advocating the overthrow of America's founding principles.

I omitted a very important element that 0bama knew, 2 hours into the attack, that it was indeed a terrorist attack and not a protest. That E-mail IS one of the smoking guns; Blaming 'protest over a video' is a lie from this point forward.

we have an excellent sample of military "rotation" ...the drones, one was on station ready to return while another showed up to replace the first,so for a brief time both are on location ..that's how rotation is done

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posted on 10/26/2012 6:02:30 PM PDT
by Doogle
((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))

I’m wondering if 0bama lies on purpose to generate chaos, resulting in all of our sources and methods being known for all the world to see. A way for 0bama to embassass the United States and blow it’s cover in the world of intelligence.. Like the Pakistani doctor who worked for us.. In jail now for decades to come.. All covers blown.. This is 0bama’s dangerous legacy. Will we ever recover? We recovered from Carter’s similar undoings. Barely. This time it could be irreversible.. 0bama’s thrown entire countries, once our allies, to the enemies side.

0bama was worried that any rescue attempt failure with fatalities would be compared to Carter’s ‘botched helicopter rescue’ in Iran. I think that’s the ONLY thing they were worried about at that time; IMPACT TO CAMPAIGN. Throw in a pinch of denial and attempt to cover-up.

0bama was worried that any rescue attempt failure with fatalities would be compared to Carter’s ‘botched helicopter rescue’ in Iran. I think that’s the ONLY thing they were worried about at that time; IMPACT TO CAMPAIGN. Throw in a pinch of denial and attempt to cover-up.

Here is a video of targets being 'painted' by a laser. Remember - the beam is invisible to the naked eye. Assets on the ground designate a target by pointing the laser at it. Assets in the air(in this video helicopters) shoot at whatever the beam lights up.

It wouldn't make sense to put down your weapon and stop defending yourself long enough to paint a target unless you believed someone else could take out your target from above.

Conclusion - Something was available to take a shot and someone with authority decided to hold fire. Remember - this was a US Ambassador which can be considered the civilian equivalent of a 4 star general. Who would have enough authority to decide to let them die? Hmm...

Help me out here; I think what you say is entirely plausible. So why did they allow these people to die? Was it so they would not be around to tell the truth about what happened?

No one knows the future. They had sent an available force that was in country. That force was delayed. The former Seals had driven off several attacks and had survived for several hours. They may have thought that they would make it without bringing assets from out of country.

It could be simple incompetence aggravated by political machinations and a willingness to coverup and prevaricate, believeing that the MSM can and will cover for you.

3) The bizarre "video did it" fraud that the Pres., Sec. State, UN Ambassador and other administration spokesholes perpetrated on the public.

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Denial of requests for security were a dereliction of duty. The lies and misdirection about the "video" after the attack were fraud and malfeasance under the color of authority. The inaction during the attack was something more than that.

The failure to act during the attack is the direct equivalent of desertion IMO.

You know, if true, the whole thing was so transparent because it was leaked weeks before that Obama may be letting the blind creep go. He denied it....or somebody did. This set up smelled from the beginning and would have been easy to prove. Even I posted my suspicians weeks before on FR. We just don’t have any ankle-biters on our side. McCain? Graham? Give me a break. Breitbart is gone.

Reports from Fox today stated that the seals had ‘painted a laser target’ on the mortar nest of the terrorists. Quite a few military guys picked up on that ditty and helped to blow this whole coverup out of the water. This is an important piece of the puzzle to prove Obama and Panetta are lying!!

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posted on 10/26/2012 6:47:55 PM PDT
by penelopesire
(TIME FOR OBAMA TO ANSWER FOR BENGHAZI UNDER OATH!!)

Jihadi groups in Egypt, including Islamic Jihad, the Sunni Group, and Al Gamaa Al Islamiyya have issued a statement threatening to burn the U.S. Embassy in Cairo to the ground.

According to El Fagr, they are calling for the immediate release of the Islamic jihadis who are imprisonment and in detention centers in the U.S. including Guantanamo Bay: The group, which consists of many members from al-Qaeda, called [especially] for the quick release of the jihadi [mujahid] sheikh, Omar Abdul Rahman [the “Blind Sheikh”], whom they described as a scholar and jihadi who sacrificed his life for the Egyptian Umma, who was ignored by the Mubarak regime, and [President] Morsi is refusing to intervene on his behalf and release him, despite promising that he would. The Islamic Group has threatened to burn the U.S. Embassy in Cairo with those in it, and taking hostage those who remain [alive], unless the Blind Sheikh is immediately released.

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posted on 10/26/2012 6:48:44 PM PDT
by Zeneta
(Why are so many people searching for something that has already found us ?)

So do you think the source is lying about there not being an aircraft immediately available at Sigonella, or do you think they screwed up the rotation schedule either deliberately or out of incompetence? What do you think is going on?

Would Obama have authorized the drone to be there? Who would have determined whether the drone (either the original or the one that replaced it) had hellfires on them?

The thing that leads me to believe it was not incompetence or just wanting to not have a Jimmy Carter moment right before the election is the refusals in advance to allow more security for Stevens.

And the fact that the White House knew anything about this video that had hardly any views and was created/uploaded by a terrorist cousin of Walid Shoebat who has connections with the Muslim Brotherhood (that planned the 9-11 shenanigans in Egypt), as well as linking to Obama stuff.

Those things really look like advance preparations for this event, not just incompetence. Obama vetoed his Secretary of State to make sure that Stevens was not protected, after a 40-foot hole had been blown in the wall of the consulate. That’s not incompetence. Obama can say he didn’t know about added requests for security, but if Hillary requested additional security and it got vetoed, my understanding is that there is only one person who could have done it. Obama HAD to know, and he personally made sure that Stevens was unprotected.

I think Hillary, or the State Dept., jumped the gun on blaming the attacks on the video.

It looks to me that the very first reports regarding the video came from a State Dept. press release and was picked up by the media. I read one report that suggested the video played a role in Egypt, but that report only came out after Benghazi attacks. All other reports, prior to Sept. 11 regarding Egypt involved the release of prisoners etc.

That being said, I think 0bama tried to give Hillary some cover on this.

I also believe Hillary has the goods on 0bama.

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posted on 10/26/2012 7:36:34 PM PDT
by Zeneta
(Why are so many people searching for something that has already found us ?)

I can SEE Obunga pulling punches to protect fellow ragheads because he IS one. But Vallerie Jarrett? I know she was born somewhere in the ME, but is she actually a raghead, too? Why would SHE call off the dogs?

“There’s a broader lesson to be learned here,” Mr. Obama told “60 Minutes” correspondent Steve Kroft at the White House. “And I — you know, Governor Romney seems to have a tendency to shoot first and aim later. And as president, one of the things I’ve learned is you can’t do that. That, you know, it’s important for you to make sure that the statements that you make are backed up by the facts. And that you’ve thought through the ramifications before you make ‘em.”

The assets which might be scrounged from the Annex probably had the technical constraints described from 1-2 decade old technology. National intel assets might not be so primitive.

While generally it is the target that is painted when lazed, it isn’t inconceivable that more advanced technologies at the national level might be able to trace both the paintor and the paintee.

Dropping mortars at night on moving targets isn’t easy, unless maybe 120mm rounds. If this is a coordinated black op company sized attack, with say 2 platoons of politically motivated militants for screening and canon fodder, and one wpns plt for supporting arms and one maneuver element, then they likely had something like a knee mortar or a 60mm mortar or a Russian variant. Well trained infantry from Korean War era could place mortar rounds with correction with about 5ft accuracy at say 1000yds, but most mortar men in daylight and registered fires at preplanned targets might have 30yd accuracies and lesser trained 3rd world militias can be off by a couple 100 yds of their aiming points. At nighttime, figure 50yd accuracy for militias.

I don’t know what these guys have in their arsenals, but if they were lazing their targets, that means they have line of sight on their targets and their targets can also acquiesce them by direct observation, though in darkness.

If weapon platforms weren’t aloft for them to synch their laze, they might have lazed to provide national assets target ID for other platforms to acquiesce.

On the other hand, in the world of BlackOps, and at national level resources, once they paint the target, they themselves might be painting themselves to national resources. If a weapons platform was aloft, whoever operated the controls might also have been directed to eliminate either as a target.

If the controlling authority was cold enough to tell them to stand down as they were acquiesced by mortar fire, it also might be cold enough to target the heroes to control the situation. IMHO, it would be far easier a shot for national resources to take out the ex-SEALS than for some militant band of Muslims with scrounged weapons and zeal to take them out with mortars at night, while on the move, and changing scenarios from their original plan.

Of course this is all conjecture,..worlds of possible worlds, ..theoretical conspiracy theory,...we’ll probably will never know all of it, but it would be nice to know why the people are never informed of the wars our nation is leading even when they are supposedly are being phased out.

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posted on 10/26/2012 11:30:29 PM PDT
by Cvengr
(Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)

...the drones would probably been in operation normally for observation purposes because of the recent unrest and activities. The aircraft (c-130’s and others) would have been ready period. Crews and operators on alert 24/7 for weeks before hand, special operations prepared to go at anytime always in Europe. They were alerted and already had made decisions,(moves) when it first occured. Aircraft for rotation purposes are in constant readiness period. The drones operation was probably more observation than engagement,but still most likely lightly armed.
The excuse they are using for why things didn’t go forward
are bogus, as far as what Penetta is saying is beyond me.
Sigonella is normally used as a rotation base to ferry military personal and equipment all over...ALL OVER...the special operators and aircraft were not in rotation per say....but stationed (on assignment)within two hours of Libya

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posted on 10/27/2012 12:31:54 AM PDT
by Doogle
((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))

Very interesting, especially in view that the FBI “couldn’t get there” for about a month, even though US journalists could. Was the FBI kept away until all evidence of how the Seals died was obliterated?

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