Especially biceps, is doing exercises that also utilize them (like rows or chinups for biceps, and Bench and shoulder press for triceps) enough to build them up in pace with the rest of the body? Personally, I hate arm specific exercises (with the exeption of the tricep dip) because it seems like I am wasting my time. I know big arms are what most men want, but does anyone here get enough out of the basic exercises to build them up as well?

Basically I want to keep my workouts 30-45 mins, and not much longer, but including curls and hammer curls on leg/back day and tricep extenstions on chest/shoulder day sometimes pushes workouts over an hour. Any advice?

It depends on your goals. If you want to look like a bodybuilder (past or presant) then you really need to do at least some isolation work. Meanwhile if you just want to look/be athletic and strong, then it's probably not necissary.

Depends ... if triceps are the weak link in your bench press, you may benefit from additional triceps work. However, this doesn't neccessarily mean single-joint isolation movements, since close-grip bench presses and triceps dips are both great triceps exercises.

Can you post a reference to your hamstring comment. I am interested because I had/have loads of hamstring problems.

Thanks

The intent of my post was not to discourage things like close grips which I think are great replacements in a periodized bench routine. As the others say, its the iso stuff that can be avoided most of the time.

It has to do with the hamstrings being a two headed muscle. Supposedly exercises like Standard and Romanian Deadlifts (hip extension) only work one of the two heads, while Leg Curls (knee flexion) work the other head. This also explains why doing lots of leg curls won't do much for your deadlift.

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