Comments on: Jeff Niemann is out at least 4-6 weeks a broken right leghttp://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/15/jeff-niemann-is-out-at-least-4-6-weeks-a-broken-right-leg/
Baseball. Baseball. And then a bit more baseball.Tue, 03 Mar 2015 20:57:56 +0000hourly1http://wordpress.com/By: hittfamilyhttp://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/15/jeff-niemann-is-out-at-least-4-6-weeks-a-broken-right-leg/comment-page-1/#comment-300899
Tue, 15 May 2012 15:53:42 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=146907#comment-300899Only if you are a fundamentalist. Niemans’s grandfather x ^3 grew up dodging teradactyles……..right?
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Tue, 15 May 2012 15:43:51 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=146907#comment-300894How does that work exactly? If you cover your face with your hands long enough it goes extinct?
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Tue, 15 May 2012 15:40:35 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=146907#comment-300893Yeah. Lind owned Nieman. I was hoping he kept it in the park. I now wish he hit it out.

It is much easier for prospects to lose trade value than gain it at the mlb level.

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Tue, 15 May 2012 15:27:25 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=146907#comment-300883No. You are saying Lance Lynn is the Best Pitcher In BaseBall. His #’s are the best right? And when did he become a #5? If we are allowed to compare non number 1’s to #5’s, Cliff Lee, David Price and Matt Cain are also better than Jeff Nieman!
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Tue, 15 May 2012 15:20:54 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=146907#comment-300877Thanks for the respose…….I think.

After reading this, I am sure the umps wouldn’t have allowed Niemann to continue.

I forgot Badenhop gave up 4 ER in 1 ip the day before yesterday. Without that appearance, he was 17 ip, 2.64 ERA.

Even still: Rays current bullpen ERA: 3.06

Without Peralta’s first 3 outings, and that bullpen ERA is miniscule. But keep floating week old articles about week old stats about guys no longer in the MLB.

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Tue, 15 May 2012 14:55:31 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=146907#comment-300854I never said that Lance Lynn was the best pitcher in baseball. I said he has been “as good if not better than Niemann”.

Lynn 6-1 1.81 ERA 44 Ks .90 WHIP
Niemann 2-3 3.75 ERA 30Ks 1.18 WHIP

Your statement is that Niemann “was without question the best #5 in either league” is what I was debating.

Wade Davis is below average as a major league starter. Ramos being productive last year is questionable also. Peralta has had 2 solid seasons in a row but was pretty bad the 5 seasons before that. He started out poorly and has now given up runs in 3 of his last 4 games.

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Tue, 15 May 2012 14:55:08 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=146907#comment-300853Luckily for Tampa, Joe Maddon is their manager and somehow they’ll be even better. God I wish my Tigers had a smart manager who can maximize the potential of all his talent and manage a bullpen at the same time.
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Tue, 15 May 2012 14:20:53 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=146907#comment-300833Yes. I did include Ramos.

Unless he doesn’t count because……well, I don’t know why. He was productive last year. He is even more productive this year.

And technically, you are correct. But your link to a week old article, 5 weeks into the season is pretty foolish. The Rays pen is fine…..great.

I was shooting fom the hip, and forgot how bad Peralta started. I hope he still counts as a decent reliever though.

But simply glancing at MLB.com’s stats do show how good of an analyst you are! Please give me more of your insight. Lance Lynn is the best pitcher in baseball right?

Thanks for the insight.

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Tue, 15 May 2012 14:18:51 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=146907#comment-300830This reminds me of the broken leg suffered by Roy Halladay on July 8, 2005. Doc was having a Cy Young type of season and was scheduled to start the All Star game when a line drive by Kevin Mench broke his leg. He did not pitch again that season.
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Tue, 15 May 2012 14:18:18 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=146907#comment-300829I do not recall a micro fracture ever being confirmed with Berguson.

You can also not blame his subsequent failures on that injury, a more likely culprit would be the injury sustained while shooting the MASN commercial.

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Tue, 15 May 2012 14:08:07 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=146907#comment-300823Lind was back hitting fourth last night because historically he had hit Niemann very well; however, this type of hit was not what the Jays had in mind.
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Tue, 15 May 2012 13:53:48 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=146907#comment-300817The umpires can remove someone from the game if they feel that player is physically unable to continue, but that doesn’t apply in this case.

They also have the right to notifiy the trainer and manager if they believe a player is human and make sure they get checked on and recieve treatment, if needed.

Of course, that couldn’t have happned either. Doing something like that would make the umpires not be evil, stupid, and incompetent. As this is the HBT comments section, we know that couldn’t be the case. Maybe in another world, but not here.

I’m sure the umpires must have been checking out some blonde in the stands, or discussing where to have a beer after the game, or starting a pool to see which player they could kick out of the game for no reason.

But there is no way it was becasue they were concerned a player might be injured. Nope, not here.

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Tue, 15 May 2012 13:46:45 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=146907#comment-300811Nieman has been solid this year but to say he is “without question the best #5″ is a joke. Ross Detwiler, Lance Lynn, Ted Lilly, Joe Blanton, Neftali Felix and whoever you want to consider the #5 from Miami all have been as good if not better than Nieman.

What six relievers have ERAs under 2.5? I count 4. Rodney, McGee, Howell and Davis. Are you counting Ramos who has pitched in 2 games? If so then I will give you 5.

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Tue, 15 May 2012 13:45:41 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=146907#comment-300810I watched the game. Niemann threw his “coming down” (final pitch of warmup). As he did this, the head umpire called all his umpires to the mound, before the Rays staff had called timeout. Niemann had just thrown a very weak final pitch, when all the umpires arrived at the mound. Soon after, Maddon and the trainer showed up. I wondered if the umpires were discussing a rule that wouldn’t allow an injured player to continue. Does this rule exist, or were the umps just anticipating Niemann’s exit.

It was really weird seeing an umpires meeting on the mound, while Nieman threw his last warmup pitch.

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Tue, 15 May 2012 13:28:23 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=146907#comment-300803First thing Lind has hit all year.
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Tue, 15 May 2012 13:16:19 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=146907#comment-300798Jennings, not Upton, although BJ is still in spring training after his collision.
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Tue, 15 May 2012 13:14:00 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=146907#comment-300797Cheers to him for finishing the inning, then going out for the second inning.

Crappy news for my Rays. Upton on the 15 day DL. Longoria on the 15 day DL. Niemann on the 15 day DL. Fuld on the 60 day DL {his haters should be wise to know the Rays have a .238 fly ball batting average with him, compared to a .288 without him)}

Everyone’s pick is Davis to replace him I don’t see it. Davis is an average MLB starter. He is an exceptional reliever! His MPH are up 3 to 97, and he is 1 of the 6 relievers the Rays have whose ERA’s are under 2.5. I don’t see the Rays messing with this (and his trade value) when Alex Cobb is ready to go too.

This hurts us. Niemann was without question the best #5 in either league. However, the only way the Rays could make this terrible is to move Davis back into the rotation. Welcome Alex Cobb back to the MLB.

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Tue, 15 May 2012 13:08:51 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=146907#comment-300793The shin is the most exposed part of a pitchers body (hands extinctively cover the face, usually). There’s no “beef” there. I wonder why the don’t wear a small pad under the uni for protection.

Hope he bounces back and is ok.

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Tue, 15 May 2012 13:01:06 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=146907#comment-300789Brad Berguson was a blossoming pitcher with the Orioles. After have a micro fracture from a liner off his shin, he was never the same. Three years later, the Orioles DFA him last week. What a shame.

He had a following similar to Joe Orsulak from back in the day.

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Tue, 15 May 2012 12:58:40 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=146907#comment-300786A liner off of any part of the body can’t feel good. Much less the shin!
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