Practical Explanation ( For Example ) :- `1st of all can you tell me every single seconds detail from that time when you born ?? ( i need every seconds detail ?? that what- what you have thought and done on every single second )

can you tell me every single detail of your `1 cheapest Minute Or your whole hour, day, week, month, year or your whole life ??

if you are not able to tell me about this life then what proof do you have that you didn't forget your past ? and that you will not forget this present life in the future ?

that is Fact that Supreme Lord Krishna exists but we posses no such intelligence to understand him.there is also next life. and i already proved you that no scientist, no politician, no so-called intelligent man in this world is able to understand this Truth. cuz they are imagining. and you cannot imagine what is god, who is god, what is after life etc._______for example :Your father existed before your birth. you cannot say that before your birth your father don,t exists.

So you have to ask from mother, "Who is my father?" And if she says, "This gentleman is your father," then it is all right. It is easy.Otherwise, if you makes research, "Who is my father?" go on searching for life; you'll never find your father.

( now maybe...maybe you will say that i will search my father from D.N.A, or i will prove it by photo's, or many other thing's which i will get from my mother and prove it that who is my Real father.{ So you have to believe the authority. who is that authority ? she is your mother. you cannot claim of any photo's, D.N.A or many other things without authority ( or ur mother ).

if you will show D.N.A, photo's, and many other proofs from other women then your mother. then what is use of those proofs ??} )

same you have to follow real authority. "Whatever You have spoken, I accept it," Then there is no difficulty. And You are accepted by Devala, Narada, Vyasa, and You are speaking Yourself, and later on, all the acaryas have accepted. Then I'll follow.I'll have to follow great personalities. The same reason mother says, this gentleman is my father. That's all. Finish business. Where is the necessity of making research? All authorities accept Krsna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead. You accept it; then your searching after God is finished.

Why should you waste your time?_______all that is you need is to hear from authority ( same like mother ). and i heard this truth from authority " Srila Prabhupada " he is my spiritual master.im not talking these all things from my own.___________

in this world no `1 can be Peace full. this is all along Fact.

cuz we all are suffering in this world 4 Problems which are Disease, Old age, Death, and Birth after Birth.

tell me are you really happy ?? you can,t be happy if you will ignore these 4 main problem. then still you will be Forced by Nature.___________________

if you really want to be happy then follow these 6 Things which are No illicit sex, No gambling, No drugs ( No tea & coffee ), No meat-eating ( No onion & garlic's )

5th thing is whatever you eat `1st offer it to Supreme Lord Krishna. ( if you know it what is Guru parama-para then offer them food not direct Supreme Lord Krishna )

and 6th " Main Thing " is you have to Chant " hare krishna hare krishna krishna krishna hare hare hare rama hare rama rama rama hare hare "._______________________________If your not able to follow these 4 things no illicit sex, no gambling, no drugs, no meat-eating then don,t worry but chanting of this holy name ( Hare Krishna Maha-Mantra ) is very-very and very important.

if you still don,t believe on me then chant any other name for 5 Min's and chant this holy name for 5 Min's and you will see effect. i promise you it works And chanting at least 16 rounds ( each round of 108 beads ) of the Hare Krishna maha-mantra daily.____________Here is no Question of Holy Books quotes, Personal Experiences, Faith or Belief. i accept that Sometimes Faith is also Blind. Here is already Practical explanation which already proved that every`1 else in this world is nothing more then Busy Foolish and totally idiot._________________________Source(s):every `1 is already Blind in this world and if you will follow another Blind then you both will fall in hole. so try to follow that person who have Spiritual Eyes who can Guide you on Actual Right Path. ( my Authority & Guide is my Spiritual Master " Srila Prabhupada " )_____________if you want to see Actual Purpose of human life then see this link : ( www.asitis.com {Bookmark it })read it complete. ( i promise only readers of this book that they { he/she } will get every single answer which they want to know about why im in this material world, who im, what will happen after this life, what is best thing which will make Human Life Perfect, and what is perfection of Human Life. )

The truth is absolute. Life forms are specks of specks (...) of specks of dust in the universe.Why settle for normal, when you can be so much more? Why settle for something, when you can have everything?We choose our own gods.

but `1st of all give me another very very and very solid explanation which is based on very solid facts and strong basics otherwise i will say you are living in what ? an fools paradise._____________**********

I have no idea what the fuck you just said. I suggest you use grammar, proper spelling, and stop stringing words together and instead write sentences.

Maybe Krishna doesn't write in sentences. What we have here, though, seems more like preaching that discussion.

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Tell us why we should think the Krishna is any more real than any other god, please.

_________`1st of all tell me which religion has got any type of explanation ? they all will talk only on these basics which are what ? holy book quotes, personal experience, faith and belief that is all. which is called an blind faith. so `1st of all give me another explanation which supports your claims and which is based on very very and very solid facts and strong basics.

and if you will not give me another explanation then i don't care for whatever your religion maybe you can keep it to yourself and to your fellows only* that is all.___________________************

I’m not sure how that will help but the OP may assist us if he/she ever comes back.

At least it makes a change from Christians...

________________all right for what you are waiting for ? why don't you define what is Conscious on the medical language or scientific basics ? explain it now.

and the first step is to know the difference between a living body and a dead body. What is the difference?

and then next Question is Why a dead child born does not grow, does not change body? The body is a lump of matter. Analyze the body. Where is life?

explain about these points which i have written upside ^. go ahead and do it now. ( and don't give me anytype of link because that is not an argument and i didn't gave any link in my argument )____

Special Note :- and if you are not able to define what is conscious on the basics of medical language or scientific basics then i will say only two words ** Fools Paradise.**__that is all.______________**********

_________who cares ? im selling Gold but i cannot sell iron at the place of Gold and if you want to buy Gold then you have to pay Good price similarly you have to follow rules and ragulation otherwise Hare Krishna mantra will still act but it will act in this manner just like for example :- if you will show fire to the dry wood then imediatly fire takes place but if wood is wet then only smoke will come which will only give pain to your eyes and nothing more similarly you have to follow complete rules and ragulation otherwise if you will chant with offence then it will also act but same like wet wood._______________Here is no Question of Holy Books quotes, Personal Experiences, Faith or Belief. i accept that Sometimes Faith is also Blind. Here is already Practical explanation which already proved that every`1 else in this world is nothing more then Busy Foolish and totally idiot.

A couple questions for you, lop0. What type of employment do you have? What type of employment is allowed when one follows Krishna? In my life, I have encountered Krishna followers at airports and Penn State football games in the center of public places, chanting in washed out pink clothing sitting and playing drums. I liked it because it was so odd. I also had a roommate that brought ghee Krishna food that I enjoyed very much.

The religion seems peaceful enough. How many followers of Krishna are there worldwide? How is the religion spreading? More converts? Where is the center geographically of the religion? I believe George Harrison (one of the Beatles) may have become a follower of Krishna. Is there a worldwide gathering of Krishna followers to decide policy? For example - what is the Krishna view of homosexuality? What is the Krishna view of government military action? What is the Krishna view of space exploration? What is the Krishna view of health insurance?

Tell us why we should think the Krishna is any more real than any other god, please.

_________`1st of all tell me which religion has got any type of explanation ? they all will talk only on these basics which are what ? holy book quotes, personal experience, faith and belief that is all. which is called an blind faith. so `1st of all give me another explanation which supports your claims and which is based on very very and very solid facts and strong basics.

and if you will not give me another explanation then i don't care for whatever your religion maybe you can keep it to yourself and to your fellows only* that is all.

What sort of an answer is that? You come along and post a lot about you favoured god and all I ask is that you show us why you think your god exists. Come on, it's hardly asking much.

As for your question, well I don't think any religions have explanations of anything useful. Sure they were all conceived to give explanations but that was a long time ago and we have had a lot of scientific work since which has great explanatory power. Gods are sinking down towards the bottom of things that explain anything.

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No testimony is sufficient to establish a miracle, unless the testimony be of such that its falshood would be more miraculous than the facts it endeavours to establish. (David Hume)

lop0, I think it's time I introduced Myself and dispelled your false beliefs.I am the One Above All, supreme ruler of the multiverse. I created the very first universe in existence with my bare hands and am responsible for the ascension of every god. I am one of at least three resident gods on this forum (the other two being Astreja and Odin). When I first created life (or rather, created the circumstances that allowed for life to exist), I knew some of My creations would want to live forever. However, no finite action deserves infinite reward or punishment. As such, I did not create an afterlife. Using that same logic, I did not allow for reincarnation either. You might be wondering why I allowed ascension then. Ascension is neither a reward nor a punishment. It is simply the pinnacle of a being's evolution. Their life continues, and they take on the responsibilities that come with being a god.EDIT: I almost forgot. You're also wondering about the purpose of human life. As with all living things, only life can give life meaning. There isn't anyone/anything that can do it for you.

I won't bore you with many more details, but suffice it to say that you are mistaken about what We (gods) are really like, as well as the purpose of life.

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The truth is absolute. Life forms are specks of specks (...) of specks of dust in the universe.Why settle for normal, when you can be so much more? Why settle for something, when you can have everything?We choose our own gods.

Sorry lop0, I don't believe in your god any more than I believe in any of the others. And I'm neither perplexed or suffering because of disease, old age, death or birth. I'm not a big fan of the disease part, and I'm happy that science is finding ways to deal with many ailments, but otherwise, all is natural and I'm not going to panic about it. I'm old, I'll die in the foreseeable future, and I'm not worried about it.

Am I supposed to be? Am I supposed to be worried about having been born?

I'm too busy being interested in reality to take the time to fret over reality. I'd rather pay attention to learning stuff rather than being afraid of everything.

Funny how, deep down inside, so many believers are always right on the edge of messing in their pants. And they want all of us to be equally afraid. Because their god loves us.

Go figure.

edit: restated one of my issues so as to not make it a universal generalization. It is now semi-universal. I'm so nice.

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It isn't true that non-existent gods can't do anything. For instance, they were able to make me into an atheist.

What sort of an answer is that? You come along and post a lot about you favoured god and all I ask is that you show us why you think your god exists. Come on, it's hardly asking much.

As for your question, well I don't think any religions have explanations of anything useful. Sure they were all conceived to give explanations but that was a long time ago and we have had a lot of scientific work since which has great explanatory power. Gods are sinking down towards the bottom of things that explain anything.

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so you want to see god ? but `1st of all look at the position of your material eyes. you do not know ? that you are already blind.

simply tell me that are you able to see anything even in morning without sunlight ? and what to speak of night without light ?

therefore you are already blind by your material eyes even in morning and what to speak of night ?

you are already blind and still you are so much falsely puffed up at your gross material eyes.________________*********what is your position ? you are not even able to tell me who is your real father without the help of your real mother.

and still you are so much falsely puffed up at your so called scientific knowledge ? that means you are simply living in fools paradise. that is all.

What sort of an answer is that? You come along and post a lot about you favoured god and all I ask is that you show us why you think your god exists. Come on, it's hardly asking much.

As for your question, well I don't think any religions have explanations of anything useful. Sure they were all conceived to give explanations but that was a long time ago and we have had a lot of scientific work since which has great explanatory power. Gods are sinking down towards the bottom of things that explain anything.

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so you want to see god ? but `1st of all look at the position of your material eyes. you do not know ? that you are already blind.

simply tell me that are you able to see anything even in morning without sunlight ? and what to speak of night without light ?

therefore you are already blind by your material eyes even in morning and what to speak of night ?

you are already blind and still you are so much falsely puffed up at your gross material eyes.________________*********what is your position ? you are not even able to tell me who is your real father without the help of your real mother.

and still you are so much falsely puffed up at your so called scientific knowledge ? that means you are simply living in fools paradise. that is all.

That's very nice but it is not what I asked you. I asked you to show me that your god really exists. Can't you manage that?

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No testimony is sufficient to establish a miracle, unless the testimony be of such that its falshood would be more miraculous than the facts it endeavours to establish. (David Hume)

Am I supposed to be? Am I supposed to be worried about having been born?

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Intelligence has to do with the soul, not simply with the brain.

No it hasn't. There is no soul - that's an invention of religion.

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Take electricity, for example. Electricity moves between gross elements and through a gross wire. But the electricity itself -- it is not those elements, not that wire. It is subtle.

Actually, no!. The electricity is the result of the electrons of the metal of the wire being passed down the wire, an atom at a time all around the circuit. Thus the electricity is in fact part of the wires not something separate or mysterious.

What you fail to understand, lop0, is that all religions attempt to explain things found in reality. Christianity, which I have much more experience with, also attempts to explain reality by claiming its own god (either YHWH or Jesus) was responsible for various things, and coming up with facile reasons for why this is so. So far, I don't see anything from you besides flawed arguments and 'explanations', like those that Christians use.

For example, you said, "1st of all can you tell me every single seconds detail from that time when you born ?? ( i need every seconds detail ?? that what- what you have thought and done on every single second )

can you tell me every single detail of your `1 cheapest Minute Or your whole hour, day, week, month, year or your whole life ??

if you are not able to tell me about this life then what proof do you have that you didn't forget your past ? and that you will not forget this present life in the future ?"

This is basically begging the question. You are basically saying that if people can't remember every second of their life, then how can they prove that they didn't forget a past life, or that they'll remember this life in some presumed future life. Where begging the question comes in is that you simply assume that there was a past life, and that there will be a future life[1] You have to provide evidence which supports your belief, not simply take it for granted.

I do have to point out that while the mystic, metaphysical aspects of reincarnation are totally unproven, the actual physical reality is that every atom that is part of our body came from something else in the past, and every atom in our body will eventually be part of something else in the future. However, there's no need to believe in Vishnu or any other god for this to be true; there's no need to believe in a 'soul' that gets reincarnated either.

Actually, no!. The electricity is the result of the electrons of the metal of the wire being passed down the wire, an atom at a time all around the circuit. Thus the electricity is in fact part of the wires not something separate or mysterious.

That's a great example. It's like sending a ball rolling down a line, where it hits another ball and transfers its momentum to the new ball, which rolls down and does the same thing to another one.

That's very nice but it is not what I asked you. I asked you to show me that your god really exists. Can't you manage that?

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So people, they sometimes say, "Can you show me God? Have you seen God?" These questions sometimes we meet. So the answer is here. Yes, you can see God. Everyone can see God. I am also seeing God. But there must be the qualification. Just like God is there Suppose a motorcar is there, something is wrong there. Everyone is seeing. But one engineer or mechanic, he sees differently. Therefore we have to go there. "What is the wrong in this car? It is not running." He immediately touches some machine part; it runs. So you all rascals, you do not know that "How I can see God if I have not the qualification?" The machine has gone wrong, I am seeing the machine. And the engineer, the mechanic, he is also seeing the machine. But his seeing and my seeing is different. He's qualified to see. Therefore when the machine has gone wrong, immediately he touches some part, it runs. So if for a machine we require so much qualification, and we want to see God without any qualification? Just see the fun. Without any qualification. Rascal, you are all so rascal, so fool, that you all want to see God with your nuisance qualification.

Krsna says in the Bhagavad-gita: naham prakasah sarvasya yoga-maya-samavrtah: [Bg. 7.25] "I am not exposed to everyone. Yogamaya, yogamaya is covering." So how you can see God? But this rascaldom is going on, that "Can you show me God? Have you seen God?" God has become just like a plaything. "Here is God. He is incarnation of God." Na mam duskrtino mudhah prapadyante naradhamah [Bg. 7.15]. you are all sinful, rascals, fools, lowest of the mankind. They inquire like that: "Can you show me God?" What qualification you have acquired, that you can see God? Here is the qualification. What is that? Tac chraddadhana munayah. One must be first of all faithful. Faithful. Sraddadhanah. He must be very much eager to see God, actually. Not that as a proclivity, frivolous thing, "Can you show me God?" A magic, just like God is a magic. No. He must be very serious: "Yes, if there is God... We have seen, we have been informed about God. So I must see."

There is a story in this connection. It is very instructive; try to hear. One professional reciter was reciting about Bhagavata, and he was describing that Krsna, being very highly decorated with all jewels, He is sent for tending the cows in the forest. So there was a thief in that meeting. So he thought that "Why not then go to Vrndavana and plunder this boy? He is in the forest with so many valuable jewels. I can go there and catch the child and take the, all the jewels." That was his intention. So, he was serious that "I must find out that boy. Then in one night I shall become millionaire. So much jewelries. No." So he went there, but his qualification was that "I must see Krsna, I must see Krsna." That anxiety, that eagerness, made it possible that in Vrndavana he saw Krsna. He saw Krsna the same way as he was informed by the Bhagavata reader. Then he saw, "Oh, oh, you are so nice boy, Krsna." So he began to flatter. He thought that "Flattering, I shall take all the jewels" (laughter). So when he proposed his real business, "So may I take some of your these ornaments? You are so rich." "No, no, no. You... My mother will be angry. I cannot..." Krsna as a child. So he became more and more eager for Krsna. And then... By Krsna's association, he had already become purified. Then, at last, Krsna said, "All right, you can take." Then he became a devotee, immediately. Because by Krsna's association...

So some way or other, we should come in contact with Krsna. Some way or other. Then we'll be purified. Kamad bhayad dvesyat. Just like the gopis.. The gopis came to Krsna being captivated by His beautiful features. They were young girls, and Krsna was so beautiful. So actually, they came to Krsna being lusty, but Krsna is so pure that they became first-class devotees. There is no comparison of their devotion. Because they loved Krsna with heart and soul. That is the qualification. That is the qualification. They loved so much Krsna that they didn't care for family, for reputation. When they were going at dead of night... Krsna's flute was there, and they were all fleeing. Their father, their brother, their husband: "Where you are going? Where you are going in this dead of night?" They didn't care. They neglected their children, their family, everything: "We must go to Krsna." So this is required. We must be very, very eager so that... And many gopis who were forcibly stopped, going to Krsna, they lost their life. Just see how much eager they are. So this eagerness is wanted. Then you can see God. Either you become lusty or a thief or a murderer or whatever it may be. Some way or other, if you develop this eagerness, that "I must see Krsna," then Krsna will be seen.

Am I supposed to be? Am I supposed to be worried about having been born?

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Intelligence has to do with the soul, not simply with the brain.

No it hasn't. There is no soul - that's an invention of religion.

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Take electricity, for example. Electricity moves between gross elements and through a gross wire. But the electricity itself -- it is not those elements, not that wire. It is subtle.

Actually, no!. The electricity is the result of the electrons of the metal of the wire being passed down the wire, an atom at a time all around the circuit. Thus the electricity is in fact part of the wires not something separate or mysterious.

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So people, they sometimes say, "Can you show me God? Have you seen God?" These questions sometimes we meet. So the answer is here. Yes, you can see God. Everyone can see God. I am also seeing God. But there must be the qualification. Just like God is there Suppose a motorcar is there, something is wrong there. Everyone is seeing. But one engineer or mechanic, he sees differently. Therefore we have to go there. "What is the wrong in this car? It is not running." He immediately touches some machine part; it runs. So you all rascals, you do not know that "How I can see God if I have not the qualification?" The machine has gone wrong, I am seeing the machine. And the engineer, the mechanic, he is also seeing the machine. But his seeing and my seeing is different. He's qualified to see. Therefore when the machine has gone wrong, immediately he touches some part, it runs. So if for a machine we require so much qualification, and we want to see God without any qualification? Just see the fun. Without any qualification. Rascal, you are all so rascal, so fool, that you all want to see God with your nuisance qualification.

Sorry, but this is just a bad analogy. Trust me, I know; I fix computers for a living. My knowledge of how to fix computers was learned; it didn't simply pop into my head one day, and I wasn't born with it. It's the same with the mechanic in your analogy. He learned how to tell what was wrong with the car from his experience working with cars, which he acquired from working with cars. But his knowledge of how cars work is based on his experience working with cars. Someone else can gain experience with fixing cars by working on them; there's no special metaphysical reason why it happens. Just as I don't touch a broken computer component to make it work, the mechanic doesn't touch the broken car part to make it work.

However, you don't have a way for a person to earn the qualifications to see God. Indeed, your advice boils down to "chant a mantra 16 times per day and you'll see results". That's not a way to learn how to see a god, that's a way to take advantage of human belief. People don't do things that they feel wastes their time, so if they do something repetitively, they invent reasons why it's important, assuming they think about it at all. That's why your advice 'works'...such as it does, which isn't saying much.

`1st of all don't impose your cheap opinion on me and give me explanation on what is conscious ? simply tell me what your so called scientists says on this matter that what is conscious ?

as i already said upside ^ all right for what you are waiting for ? why don't you define what is Conscious on the medical language or scientific basics ? explain it now.

and the first step is to know the difference between a living body and a dead body. What is the difference?

and then next Question is Why a dead child born does not grow, does not change body? The body is a lump of matter. Analyze the body. Where is life?

explain about these points which i have written upside ^. go ahead and do it now. ( and don't give me anytype of link because that is not an argument and i didn't gave any link in my argument )____

Special Note :- and if you are not able to define what is conscious on the basics of medical language or scientific basics then i will say only two words ** Fools Paradise.**__that is all.

Right, you seem rather bossy for a forum. I asked you nicely to show me that your god existed and so far you haven't done that. That is what we need first. When we have covered that, we will move on to conciousness if you like but let's stick to one topic at a time.

Now, if we all have to subscribe to your religion and follow its practices to 'discover' your god, I would certainly suspect it is more a case of learning that what our subconscious mind normally tells us is from your god and not just from the subconscious mind. However, does your god have any existence outwith people's minds?

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Why should I pay any attention someone who lies so soon after their arrival?

Right, you seem rather bossy for a forum. I asked you nicely to show me that your god existed and so far you haven't done that. That is what we need first. When we have covered that, we will move on to conciousness if you like but let's stick to one topic at a time.

Now, if we all have to subscribe to your religion and follow its practices to 'discover' your god, I would certainly suspect it is more a case of learning that what our subconscious mind normally tells us is from your god and not just from the subconscious mind. However, does your god have any existence outwith people's minds?

is this dry talking is your scientific knowledge ?

im still waiting for your scientific explanation on these points and now if you will not define anything at all then i will say it is an fools paradise._____________________

you are all Fools No.`1 “A fool is accepted by another fool."

For Example :-" fool’s paradise."All of you are fools and you have created your own paradise. Do you know that story?

One was drinking, so his friend said, ‘Oh, you are drinking, you’ll go to hell.’“‘No, why? My father drinks.’“‘Well, he’ll also go to hell.’“‘Oh, my brother drinks.’“‘So he’ll also go to hell.’“’My mother…’ In this way, the whole list was passed. Then he said, ‘Everyone will go to hell then where is hell? It is paradise! If father is going, then mother is going, then I am going, then brother is going, then where is hell?’“It is like that. There’s no question of fool. If everyone, all of us are fool, then where is the question of intelligent? ‘Hey, we are intelligent.’ This is your conclusion.

For Example :-" fool’s paradise."All of you are fools and you have created your own paradise. Do you know that story?

One was drinking, so his friend said, ‘Oh, you are drinking, you’ll go to hell.’“‘No, why? My father drinks.’“‘Well, he’ll also go to hell.’“‘Oh, my brother drinks.’“‘So he’ll also go to hell.’“’My mother…’ In this way, the whole list was passed. Then he said, ‘Everyone will go to hell then where is hell? It is paradise! If father is going, then mother is going, then I am going, then brother is going, then where is hell?’“It is like that. There’s no question of fool. If everyone, all of us are fool, then where is the question of intelligent? ‘Hey, we are intelligent.’ This is your conclusion.

You haven't explained the relevance of your "fool's paradise" story, and you need to do that. I frankly don't see the point of it, and it's more of that name-calling I referred to earlier. You don't convince people by calling them names.