#453Almalieque,
Posted:Sep 10 2012 at 8:59 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You have absolutely no room to be talking. 2/3 of JUL is present and myself. This is a whole other level which you are just incapable of understanding. Don't let the fact that you share the same views as JUL confuse you to believe that your arguments somehow automagically make sense.

Not to you, anyway and I'm fine with that. We've already established that we have vastly different mindsets on these things. I'm okay with that. ****, I feel better for knowing it.

I understand that you want to call that a cop-out. I don't care. Spending my time trying to prove my worth or the value of my ideas to someone who can't begin to understand where I'm coming from is a fool's errand. I mean, it'd be different if this was Day One but we're working with years of precedent that you're not going to understand and I'm not going to find the magic combination of words that'll make it happen. Fortunately, my ego is secure enough that it can withstand you thinking I can't respond or however you want to phrase it.

#459Almalieque,
Posted:Sep 10 2012 at 10:35 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You stating that doesn't in any way make that a cop-out. You saying that, but not adhering to it, makes it a cop out. I understand you very well. I just don't agree with you. I believe the likewise is for you to me. That is why I'm not just labeling it a "cop out". The difference is, I'm not giving that answer to certain comments while continuing to "argue in circles" on other comments.

#467Almalieque,
Posted:Sep 10 2012 at 1:10 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) All of those responses are more effective than "sub-defaulting" me. Guenny, just because everything apparently has to be spelled out for you doesn't mean likewise for everyone else. It's probably more beneficial if you think before you type. Better yet, do us all a favor, just stop all and all.

Or we could just include every couple which might possibly be able to procreate and avoid all the tests and expense.

Good, then we can let the gays marry because there are medical procedures to allow them to procreate as well! Glad you agree.

*** couples can procreate? No. They can't. They have no more capability to procreate as a couple than as individuals. And they always require some contribution from someone of the opposite *** (so *not* their partner) to do so. Want to try again?

Sorry, but I'm already a breeder. Though, taken out of context I can get behind this statement:

Crowded conditions and resource shortages will improve as we become less dense.

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publiusvarus wrote:

we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.

Well, that alone puts you at a step above varus, who can only post on weekdays while sitting in the manager's office of daddy's insurance firm.

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publiusvarus wrote:

we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.

He just doesn't understand that legalizing *** marriage won't turn him into a...

Unless he was one already.

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"The Rich are there to take all of the money & pay none of the taxes, the middle class is there to do all the work and pay all the taxes, and the poor are there to scare the crap out of the middle class." -George Carlin

And? I'm pretty sure I already countered this argument. You're making a great case for further narrowing who can marry, but not for expanding it to yet another group. The fact that not all couples consisting of an adult male and an adult female *will* procreate doesn't change the fact that no couple consisting of two males or two females will. So when we divide the sets, we have one group in which some statistical number will produce offspring (but we can't know without further examination which particular couples), and another set in which none of the couples will.

Seems like a pretty obvious point to make our legal dividing line, doesn't it?

we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.

"The Rich are there to take all of the money & pay none of the taxes, the middle class is there to do all the work and pay all the taxes, and the poor are there to scare the crap out of the middle class." -George Carlin

The fact that not all couples consisting of an adult male and an adult female *will* procreate doesn't change the fact that no couple consisting of two males or two females will.

Yes they do all the time. One bio parent and some donated stuff. They're still very much making the kid that they will raise.

Why is it so abhorrent to you that two like sexed people should choose each other to make a life-time commitment to one another, raise a family if they choose and not receive the same treatment by our government as two people of opposite ***?

I truly can't understand the blind self-righteous ignorance that would seek to keep homosexuals sad, dysfunctional and in the closet.

Because somebody, someday, somewhere, had said it was without actually thinking about it, so now it'll be brought up (without any real thought) every time. I mean, if they'd just think about it for even one second instead of just spouting it out every time, then it's lung collapsingly hilarious how little sense it makes.

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I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.

#500Almalieque,
Posted:Sep 12 2012 at 8:42 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) That same *** couple didn't procreate though. The male and female couple procreated and the same *** couple raised the child. There's a difference between the two. Take that however you want, but that's the difference that you're not understanding.

The fact that not all couples consisting of an adult male and an adult female *will* procreate doesn't change the fact that no couple consisting of two males or two females will.

Yes they do all the time. One bio parent and some donated stuff. They're still very much making the kid that they will raise.

Why is it so abhorrent to you that two like sexed people should choose each other to make a life-time commitment to one another, raise a family if they choose and not receive the same treatment by our government as two people of opposite ***?

I truly can't understand the blind self-righteous ignorance that would seek to keep homosexuals sad, dysfunctional and in the closet.

That same *** couple didn't procreate though. The male and female couple procreated and the same *** couple raised the child. There's a difference between the two. Take that however you want, but that's the difference that you're not understanding.