I don't have a fixed office and travel to clients, my employers have always counted it as working time. I was aware though that many employers don't count travel time as work time. I expect care agencies will now require employees to opt out of the working time directive. I don't think it will improve the employees lot.

But they'll have to be paid for the time, even if they've opted out of the working time directive.

As many were on minimum wage calculated only on contact hours, they were previously working for below minimum wage in total.

The care agencies were screaming about this recently, saying it would cause the industry to fold. Will certainly have interesting effects, and make very clear how much the poorest workers have until now been subsidising the UK's handling of our age-&-dementia crisis (that's been foreseen for decades and is now upon us).

In Italy (EU obviously), travelling along the shortest route between home and work in order to arrive on time is counted for insurance purposes. So if you have a car accident on the way you are fully covered for sick leave and disability. This happened to a friend of mine and she was very well looked after. Thankfully.

The recent UK move to hike the Minimum Wage may not be enough in some professions.

To me there is probably a big difference between a care worker and a Sales Rep, as if paid on contact hours, the former's take home pay for the 'contact' is fixed, but a Sales Rep could get a honking big order and earn shed loads of commission.

In the past after government legislation on red tape, income tax fiscal drag, Home Stamp Tax, pensions etc and then economic events changed conditions, government never adjusted at all, never mind in a timely manner to ease the employer/employees pain.

Government needs to listen and better tune their polices to conditions.

A while back the oil industry was struggling so there were tax adjustments, the farmers are currently asking for help and talking to government, so I believe are child carers on this 30-hours free malarkey - so if the likes care homes are going to struggle when wages go up, their people need to speak to government people and look for ways, again possibly through lower taxes, to ensure services/facilities aren't compromised, especially when DUE to government legislation. IMO

I agree with Isit that governments could do an awful lot to mitigate this in terms of tax breaks for employers in this situation. I don't think the ruling is unfair at all in and of itself, if someone's first and last appointments for the day are miles away from their homes they would be making very long days indeed. In rural parts of the UK that could be a real burden on low-paid care workers. Companies should be offered incentives to make this work for everyone.

squidzin ... I thought that we covered this as I showed you an F.T. article on another thread;

- The Eurozone has around double the unemployment level of the UK, primarily caused by those EU 'rights' that scare employers legless as if hire with any uncertainty they can never let employees go if business conditions change - as some have predicted for several years, and some are saying could happen within the next 2-years via another global recession.

- The UK Zero Hours Contracts that many workers want accounts for what, less than 2% of our workforce, while in the Eurozone substantially more workers than in the UK are on 'Temp' contracts, with no security e.g. around a half of all young workers are temps, DUE to those EU directives.

Which of those two main points do you disagree with using qualified facts?

squidzin .... here is my source/point to those fixated by Zero Hours Contracts no one brought up, or appeared to have figures for, before May 2010 even though they have been around since the late 1990s.

I suggest those that aspire to EU working conditions and cite the numbers of temp jobs here in derisory terms, start to respect what has been done here since 2010, as the Eurozone in the real world hasn't managed to follow our job creation, temp or not.

??They call it the ??precariat??. In a continent known for strong employee protections, more than half of the eurozone??s young workers are in temporary jobs, churning from one shortlived contract to the next.??

??In France, permanent jobs account for just 16 per cent of new contracts, down from a quarter in 2000. In Spain, almost seven in 10 young workers are on temporary contracts. The share of the eurozone??s 15 to 24-year-old workers who are temps is the highest on record, at 52.4 per cent.??

??Now that the eurozone??s recovery is at last under way, the question facing policymakers and politicians is whether the painful reforms of the last few years will do anything to address this.??

??But in parts of Europe, where temporary and contract work is unusually pervasive, economists say there is a dark side to the trend.??

??A deep fracture has emerged in Spain, France, Italy and Portugal over the past 20 years, with an older generation of highly protected permanent employees on one side and a younger generation forced to settle for insecure jobs on the other. That is one reason why youth unemployment surged when the crisis hit.??

??The rules for open-ended contracts in Europe are considered too stringent by employers and they sidestep those regulations by creating non-regular jobs,??

Well if we had Zero Hours from 'around' 1996 (I could not pin point exactly when began), when did we opt out of the working time directive, as if before 1997, the Labour Party had a parliamentary majority of between 160 - 180 seats over 13-years to change it.

As to the manipulated jobs figures, I guess in your world the net increased migration figures, year after year taking up those manipulated jobs, are manipulated as well?

The fact is Zero Hours Contracts DO SUIT some employees, and those jobs might not exist otherwise, but if they are sooo bad, why didn't anyone seem to care within the labour movement before may 2010?

As a side, an interesting related 'social' article, as I have always been sceptical of crime figures (falling) under both Labour and Conservative administrations - as many sorts of crimes are not recorded - but maybe I was w-w-w-wrong.