If Lobsang Sangay thinks that the 3 points he raised would help the Tibetan cause, he can carry on dreaming. Even in the depth of the Ching dynasty, it never had a chance, what makes him think a fast modernising china would grant him the chance. I am surprised a Harvard graduate can be so deluded. But then it all depends on what you read, isn't it? If the PM of the exiled Tibetan administration had any sense, he would know that the only way to resist chinese domination, is to throw out the Dalai Lama theocracy and modernise as fast as possible, preferrably faster than the chinese and wait for your moment. After all today, who would think that the Ukraine could break free from Russia. A backward Ukraine like some of the autonomous republics of Russia would forever remains Russian. So Lobsang Sangay, you have a Hobson choice. Cast out Dalai Theocracy and embrace the Modernism Devil or forever be cast in irons. Better start today and forget about your daily chanting of the sutras. Sell your soul to the Modernism Devil so that Tibet maybe free!

All the sweet talks about freedom & democracy is so much nonsense and western propaganda; think of Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Palestine & Gaza etc a never ending list of western double speak & spin. To the west Tibet is all about provoking Tibetan revolt against a rising China. What democracy has Tibet ever known from way back when ? Under Dalai Lama, Tibet was an inhuman medieval serfdom and ordinary Tibetans were deemed by law to be chattels or animals; serfs lived as animals sharing shelter and same space with cattle & yarks. Go read books published by your western anthropologist & historians; learn to be humble and don't think that we asians are stupid and you can fool us all the time.

"HIGH TIME FOR CHANGE", the sign that the protesting monk was holding, is more applicable to the U.S. than to China.

Most Americans understand that their country is on slippery slope to a vertical cliff. But most of them don't have faith in Washington oligarchy to reform and repent for americans to avoid the free fall.

As to the series of self-immolations in Aba Tibetan, some confused people think it is the fight for the “independence”. However, there is few local people who will agree with it. The one who did not value disciples’ lives would not be a good leader by all means. He just wants to please those who have strong prejudice towards China and Chinese government.
A court in southwest China's Sichuan Province on Jan. 31, 2013 convicted two ethnic Tibetans of intentional homicide for inciting eight people to self-immolate, three of whom died.
Court convictions to punish the people who incited others to self-immolate manifested the dignity and authority of the law.

You must understand that a people so steep in the sutras that it envelops the whole being giving them an aura of tranquility and peace. Such people cannot be thinking like Al Capone. Subsequently they can be easily manipulated by Devils cloak in the guise of theocracy to immolate themselves in the interest of altruism for their religion. Such child like behaviour is common among lesser developed people, eg the muslims. The evil lies in the people who incites self immolation. Who do you think is the black hand behind this strategy? The ex Tibetan elites of course. Most of these people lost their priviliges when they fled with the Dalai Lama to India in 1959. Their lust for power is what cause them to abuse a unique Buddhist practise of self immolation in the face of adversity for their cause.

China has been painted by the Free Tibet crowds to have caused genocide, and
when that does not hold water anymore, "cultural genocide", and you will hear about "identity genocide" in coming.
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But, even the staunchest defenders of the Chines government will argue for
the preservation of the Tibetan culture.
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When was the last time you hear "A good Tibetan is a dead Tibetan", the
equivalent of "A good Indian is a dead Indian"?
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This is the strangest thing.
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Where is the disconnect?

Nothing strange about this. The phrase originates in the US where it was said, "a good indian is a dead one". Later it becomes "a good commie is a dead one". You are just applying it in the wrong place.

Truth behind blaze: how self-immolations affect Tibetans
As his black cat leans to him, Chirarab sits on a bed with his legs crossed, wondering why his son chose to end his life in a pre-meditated self-immolation.

"He is so foolish. I did not educate my son well," says the 63-year-old Tibetan veterinarian.

His son, 31-year-old Tsekho, did not get along well with his wife prior to his death. He wanted to do business and make money and asked his father for start-up money. However, Chirarab refused and scolded him, as the father worried his alcoholic son would squander the money in excessive gambling and drinking.

After hearing that self-immolating could make him a "hero," Tsekho told his friends, "I rather burn myself than live like this."

He lit himself on fire beside a bridge in his village on Nov. 29, 2012. Two of his fiends fed the fire by pouring gasoline onto a woolen blanket and throwing the blanket to Tsekho. Another two villagers sent photos of his self-immolation overseas, along with his detailed personal information.

Some foreign media later branded Tsekho a "Tibetan martyr" protesting the growing influence of Han Chinese in the Tibetan plateau. They also used his story as an excuse to attract international attention to the so-called "Tibet issue" and the ultimate pursuit of "Tibet independence," a campaign spearheaded by the Tibetan government-in-exile, with the Dalai Lama as its spiritual leader.

Villagers carried Tsekho's corpse to his parents' home and gave Chirarab the grievous news of the death of his only son.

(1) All the countries of the world recognises that China have the sovereignty over Tibet

The Dalai Lama himself had announced many times that "Tibet is a part of China". He proclaimed this statement in his official speech to the European Parliament and at his official press conference in Washington DC

(2) To bismarck , -- the KMT from 1949-2013 had brought democracy to Taiwan. The KMT had successfully built Taiwan's economy from nothing in 1949 to one with GDP per capita of more than USD 20,000

So dont talk crap and rubbish about the KMT

(3) to Indica=== Western Historians confirm that Tibet became part of China since the YUAN Dynasty. They have proof of Chinese sovereignty over Tibet throughout the Ming, Qing and Republican period

The current Dalai Lama was installed by the KMT -- especially selected by Chiang Kai-Shek because he was born of a Han family

(4) To Indica --- oh please--- there was no country known as India before the British East India Company came to colonize India in the 17th Century----- there was just a collection of 100s of tiny princeling states -- this in response to your "there was no Tibet before 1950"

India which still practises HINDUISM "Hindu Caste System" which oppress and suppress 700 million lower Caste Sudhras and Dalits

The UNHRC receives 10000s of daily complaints of institutionalized discriminations, abuses, assaults, rapes and murders committed by Brahmins against the helpless Dalits. With no arrests or court indictments

Are the 700 million lower castes Indians more oppressed than Tibetans ?

ARE TIBETANS BETTER OFF THAN INDIANS ??

Under the Hindu Caste System---the 700 million Lower Caste Hindus are condemned forever to their inferior Caste Status
They are banned from inter-marrying other castes or socializing with other caste members

They can only do jobs like cleaning the toilets, cremating the dead or carrying the garbage --- all others professions are closed /forbidden to them

They are systematically bullied by the Brahmin caste

CNN TV News reported a Dalit girl burnt to death by Brahmin mobs for daring to drink at a Brahmin village well

FACTS

(1) The AVERAGE income of the Tibetan is better than 700 million poorest Indians

)2) UNDP; = Half of all Indians go to bed hungry every night

(3) UNICEF = 50 % of all Indian children suffer from severe mal-nutrition

Just because the whole world recognizes it does not mean its not an occupation. Papua being a part of Indonesia is recognized by the whole world, but Papuans feel they are being colonized. In my opinion they are. You say what Western Historians say, if they told you that Mongolia was never a part of China, you would accept it.

What is the difference between Mongolia and Tibet. The only difference is the Soviets intervened in Chinese affairs and helped the Mongolia become independent. The CPC accepted the referendum.

As for the Indian part. yes Indians are miserable, smelly people that should be eradicated from this earth, They bow before you. Are you happy nowÉ

As for conflicts in India. The Naxalities is not a separatist movement. As for Kashmir and Nagaland, well if you only list two, it must be a slow day. India is far more diverse than China, and its surprising there aren`t any more separatist movements.

--He (Mr Sangay) estimates that there are 300m to 500m Chinese Buddhists (more than there are members of the Communist Party), many of whom yearn for greater cultural freedom in their country --

If this estimate of Chinese Buddhists is based upon facts then they should struggle for cultural freedom while living in China instead of creating problems for the neighboring countries. China's economic growth is now unparalleled and the Buddhists should avail this prosperity of their country.

The only area in China the CPC uses their old class struggle propaganda is in Tibet, almost everywhere else in China it has long been discarded. The CPC came to power because of their appeal to the peasants vs the landlords (largely in Northern China), not because of their achievements against the Japanese. What is the difference between DL and the rightist KMT in Taiwan? According to Mao not much. The landlords that fled with the KMT in 1949 enslaved/exploited far more people than the Dalai Lama's did in Tibet, Yet now the CPC invite the same people and descendants to come in to China exploit the working class with open arms. Mao would be turning in their graves.

Your comments show that you Indians know NOTHING about China --- better for you to stick to commenting on your own India affairs

Yes, China's successes have made many Indians jealous and hateful towards the Chinese "Why must you Chinese be successful--- you make us look inferior --- also , your success must be something that are done with something bad or something evil"

Again the bigot and racism. You can't get away from it. I am just exposing you hypocrisy of CPC posters like you. You bash the DL, for wanting something less than Ma Ying Jeou already has. Your head is so filled with propaganda you can't think straight.

You are so quick to drop all propaganda when they come with investment and gifts, its typical. All stuff you say about the DL is actually just hollow words. They don`t mean anything. You people are two faced.

Will the DL exploit his people if he goes back to China. You allowed those Taiwanese businessmen to come in and invest. Many factories don`t obey Chinese labor laws.

Yet here you are saying they follow China`s labor laws, yet Taiwan`s biggest investor in the PRC does not. This is not the first time Foxconn has not obeyed Chinese labor laws. Every week there are stories of Taiwanese factories not obeying Chinese labor laws, in fact the evil Japanese are more likely to obey Chinese labor laws ironically.

[Bismarck8881 hour 18 mins ago
The only area in China the CPC uses their old class struggle propaganda is in Tibet, almost everywhere else in China it has long been discarded. The CPC came to power because of their appeal to the peasants vs the landlords (largely in Northern China), not because of their achievements against the Japanese. What is the difference between DL and the rightist KMT in Taiwan? According to Mao not much. The landlords that fled with the KMT in 1949 enslaved/exploited far more people than the Dalai Lama's did in Tibet, Yet now the CPC invite the same people and descendants to come in to China exploit the working class with open arms. ]

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Bis, can you prove that these are "the same people"? Mao is long dead. Can you show me that "the same people" are still alive? Can you even prove that those in power in Taiwan are the descendants of "the same people"?

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[Mao would be turning in their graves.]
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Mao has been doing THAT ever since Deng Xiaoping started China's reforms. BTY, many of these "working class" have become entrepreneurs and industrialists.

Ma Ying Jeou, his father Ma_Ho-ling was a high ranking KMT official. His pedigree is not exactly peasant background. Morris Chang (TSMC), his father was an official in the KMT. Then there is Terry Guo Current Mayor of Taipei, father was born to a well to do family in Jiangsu, father was a general in ROC military. Then there is Chiang Chingguo's bastard John Chiang. All of the Science Noble Prizes won by ethnic Chinese have been won by these people / descendants (except for one). The list goes on and on and.

Actually Ma Ying Jeou's family was not that high up in the pecking order, because he was born in the Hong Kong. If his family had more pull, they would have went straight to Taiwan. Any person who ended up in Hong Kong instead of Taiwan in 1949, was not that well connected.

I was in Indonesia in the 1970s, and the only Chinese from China (ROC/PRC) that I meet were waishengren from Taiwan working in ROC Engineering companies. They outnumbered the native Taiwanese by 20 to 1 among the Taiwanese expat communities as far I could tell.

Does it matter if those working class become entrepreneurs, and precede to exploit and mistreat their workers? I thought Communism, was not supposed to have "capitalist". There is a double standard in the propaganda. You can't keep on bashing the Dalai Lama as a feudal overlord, while allowing "capitalist" in the Party.

Does it matter if those working class become entrepreneurs, and precede to exploit and mistreat their workers? I thought Communism, was not supposed to have "capitalist". There is a double standard in the propaganda. You can't keep on bashing the Dalai Lama as a feudal overlord, while allowing "capitalist" in the Party.]
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Why not??? Mao did allow the "feudal overlord" Dalie a seat in his government while bashing the entrepreneurs as "capitalists" And, Can you really say Uncle Sam's actions, policies and propaganda are not "double standard" most of the time?

india should not harbour dalai lama separatist (and now terrorist) and allowing them to carry out sedition against china, since india is on record to recognise tibet being an integral part of china.
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to fee the hurt, it's like china was to harbour so many independence movements in india and to be for decades. that's how indians should feel in hurt and betray as experienced by chinese over xizang.don't take that lightly.

If Tibet is independent of China ,the regime in China will be queried,that'what Western world want to see. China is rising,Wset world,espescially US afriad that China become aother SU,After all, the communist party lesds China

Are there any obvious benefits to the Western World when they sent their armnies to "liberate" Iraq and to kill and torture more than a million Iraqis?
Are there any obvious benefits to the Western Worlds when thry dropped thousands of bombs on Libya and killed more than 40,000 Libyan civilians?
Are there any onvious benefits for the Western World to support and finance the terrorists who are rebelling against the Syrian government?
Are there any obvious benefits to the Western Worlds when they send their armies to kill the Malians?

exactly.
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it's not surprising that the west wants china to fall apart, to be the old china 100 years ago.
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what's surprising is that india, still smarting from its own colonial days of being plundered and mastered, still falls victim of being semi-controlled in its foreign policy by the west and acted willingly to harbour dalai lama separtists and terrorists against china--- an offensive and unfriendly act even the us would not do it openly. so they let a foolhardy india to proxy for it.
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instead of being still in the poor house of the world today, india's economy and people's per capita GDP could be tremendously improved if india had allied itself with china in economic and trade development only a few years ago.

@ Jean Michelin reply to Morani ya Simba
'Indeed, the Indians never wash their hands.'
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speaking as a parable on indian dirty hand on dalai lama matters, yes. but it ought not be understood literally as 'indians don't wash hands' or to defame a whole people as the nation. (that's what many anti-chinese bashers do here including old timers like 'indica', 'basmarck'), even though india has done great harm and affront to china and chinese people.
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india has officially recognised tibet (xizang) as part of china, yet india openly harboured dalai lama separists who conducted their seditious crimes against china, right inside india and for decades.
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ladies and gentlemen, that's like if china was to openly support many present independence movements in india. china of course did not and does not do that against india, yet india is keep at it on china.
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I think china is kind of stupid in its foreign policy. it should harbour and support independence movements in india, not for any cause or any interest per se, but to be reciprocal in foreign policy with india.
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the moment india withdraws its overt and covert support of any seditious element against china in india, china would immediately do like wise, just to be oin the par.
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as for them remnant dalai lama separists, chinese tibetans have no use of them. so they should instead be offered indian citizenship, to live and practice their religion whatever all they want happily thereafter in india. india is a free country too, right?
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I think china is spinning the wheels AND not being smart enough, and too kind to do to india what india has been doing against china for years.
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"I think china is kind of stupid in its foreign policy. it should harbour and support independence movements in india, not for any cause or any interest per se, but to be reciprocal in foreign policy with india."

Yes Einstein, that's a great idea. Two nuclear-armed up-and-coming superpowers, each with about 300 million men of weapon-bearing age right next to each other, should become more mutually hostile. One, ONE, miscalculation and you could have a go at each other that would make the Second World War look like a rainy picnic. Perhaps rethink your idea??

Reverend Dalai Lama and the Tibetans have said they can be part of China if their culture, language and religion are NOT controlled by Beijing.

The ordinary people of the world support the Tibetans, as one can see from the newspapers in almost every country that matters.

Beijing is arrogant and short-sighted. For reasons of trade, governments of Western countries are 'playing along' with China's pressure tactics.

Like all rising empires, China is commanding a conciliatory stance from other countries. But history tells us, when empires mature and tire, the waves close in, ALL AROUND them.

History is a very, very long march.... things change unrecognisably.

In 1950, India made a commitment to the Dalai Lama and the Tibetans. Despite paying a heavy price for it, in terms of China's hostility, China, deliberately, making a nuclear and missile power out of India's nemesis, Pakistan, India should continue to stay with her commitment ... as blogger 'Morani y Simba' says below.

India is stronger than what her own media and international media makes her out to be. She can go it alone.

India may not be as successful as China in many respects, but she is no 'push over' for China to cajole or threaten as some smaller countries may be.

The lamas hates Beijing, the minds of Tibetan people are controlled by Lama.
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Hence there is no way to tell what Tibetan people really want, just like you can't tell what Chinese people really wanted in 1950s and 1960s.
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As the opinions of the newspaper on this issue doesn't matter , because they overwhelmingly dislike the system in China.

One, state run media doesn't enjoy enough credibility to brainwash people, so you don't have to worry the minds of Chinese people being controlled by CPC.
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Two, I had direct contact with Tibetan people, so don't tell me their minds are not controlled by Lama. In their society in India, is there different opinions other than what Lamas want?
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Three, you should worry if your mind is controlled by the media in India. For example, did you ever say anything your media doesn't like? I visited the blog time of India, it is a joke, I couldn't find even one blogger that talks about the misery of lower 90% of India people. Why do you trust them without grain of salt? WHAT HAVE THESE BIG MOUTHS DONE FOR YOU THAT DESERVE YOUR TRUST?
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Four, a message from lot of Chinese people to India, Thank you, democracy or whatever it is!!!(7-8% of NASA engineers are Indians.)

It still seems like Beijing is just very forcibly telling the Tibetan what they should want, giving some candy in between shouting at them. It doesn't win people's hearts, only enforces social complacency at a superficial level.

Tibet as a topic to move the naive western people is now stale. There is no chance that the Tibetans in exile will ever have the same privilege they enjoyed when they were oppressing their fellow countrymen. The Tibetans are no longer slaves of the priviledged few. Now, the Tibetans are more educated and have a broader vision of the world and of life. The Tibetans in exile, on the other hand, are living in the past and want the other Tibetans to live in the past too. But the Tibetans in China do not want to live in the past. The Tibetans in exile are completely alienated from the Tibet region and the Tibetans who live in China. They must now forget Tibet and think of their adopted countries instead, whether their country of adoption is India or some other country. They must fully participate in the life, the politics and the dreams of their adopted country instead of dreaming of their past privilege.

"Yet India is beginning to look like an exception. Tibet’s exiled political leaders talk of the massive influx of Han Chinese to the towns and cities of the Tibetan Autonomous Region and other Tibetan areas of China.."
Hang in there India. It will fall to India to determine if democracy will have a chance in South Asia and eventually in China itself. If India joins ranks with the West (and Japan and South Korea) to hold high the flag of democracy and human freedom we cannot fail. But if India washes its hands of its responsibility as an emerging power of immense measure, we may fail indeed. I have full confidence that the people of India will proudly take on this role.

Your advice is vey good and I applaud it. The Tibetans who live in India should remain in India. The latter will use its democratic institutions to make the Tibetans do what the Indians do. India will not wash its hands. Indeed, the Indians never wash their hands. They just use their hand for everything.

I did not mean it literally. I meant that the Indians never drop something they hold. At present, they hold the Tibetans in exile in the hollow of their hands and they will not wash their hands by dropping them. The Tibetans in exile will be granted full Indian citizenship and the Dalai Lama or Lobsang Sangay will because the next Indian Prime Minister.

"the Dalai Lama or Lobsang Sangay will because the next Indian Prime Minister."

Statiscally, probably not. But it did remind me of another thing I like about Hindustan: unlike the USA no "natural born clause", simply "citizen" or "non-citizen", period. So if the Great Lama can get about 400 million votes, the premiership would be his, regardless of who issued his birth certificate. India is a very beautiful country. I like it very much (which is why I criticize it so bluntly on occasion. Those one takes seriously, one meets filled with expectations...)

Last month I was visiting a Tibetan area in Yunnan. I was told by a young Tibetan tour guide that her late grandfather was a serf prior to 1959. Young Tibetans now have the choice of attending Tibetan schools or schools teaching Putonghua as well. Most of them chose the latter as the opportunities knowing Putonghuna are much greater. We also note that Tibetan houses have flags on the roofs: A white flag signifies an ordinary Tibetan family; three flags indicate that the family has a monk and a red Communist Party flag shows that the family has a Party member in its midst. I have never seen so many red flags in my life as we drove along the road. By the way, I have not seen a single red Communist Party flag when I was in Beijing, Shanghai, Nanjing, Chengdu,Guangzhou, Zhuhai etc.

I believe that Tibetans are no different to others in that Peoples' livelihood is paramount. Many Tibetans are now exposed to TV, cellphones etc and they know what the outside world looks like. If India does not improve the infrastructure in occupied South Tibet, these Tibetans would agitate to reunite with their brothers on the other side of the Himalayas.

You want to believe what you want to believe. If it was so great, withdraw all Han Chinese soldiers/police from Tibet, and allow 'loyal' Tibetan forces to take over all security. I want to see how long Tibetan will remain a part of China.

The Flag thing. What do you expect them to do? Being a member of the CPC does not mean loyalty to China/CPC. How many CPC members attended underground Churches? How many are Falun Gong members. How many are businessmen? The antithesis of what it means to be a CPC member.

You call yourself critical, but in fact you are just critical of something don't like. You don't ask hard questions.

From your voluminous comments on all topics pertaining to China, you seem to be unable to find a single good word to say about the country. If it is indeed,that bad, how did it manage to rise to become second largest economy in the world in a short space of sixty years ? Please explain. (Please note that I am a 'criticalobserver'.

You are no a critical observer, but an hack. I am a China basher? No. Go read my previous post, I am not going list the post I have said good things about China. Go read it yourself.

If you think for one minute that if Tibet was not source of many of the major rivers, did not have an abundance in natural resources, would China be there? No. Come on. If Tibet was poor and hopeless like the Gaza Strip, they would have been out of there along time ago.

If you think for one minute that if Tibet was not source of many of the major rivers, did not have an abundance in natural resources, would China be there?

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Tibet is southwest barrier of China. Without Tibet, China won't be able to protest herself.
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I believe you are smart enough to know, why didn't you mention it? therefore you are bashing China.
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If you don't know that, you are not smart enough to talk politics.

When was the last time anyone attacked Beijing from Tibet? Never. Tibet is strategic for China, not because it acts as a buffer (that job belongs to Korea). The same with Xinjinag. Its resources and land.