I just picked up a x2 4800 65w and mobo at Fry's last night for $129 as a replacement for my wifes Northwood 2.4 (yes the board is ECS but for what she does with her PC it's more than adequate) - the proc actually ended up in my VMWare box and she got the x2 4200 that was in that machine (which I got for <$100 along with a gigabyte board) - anyway - killer deals all around and only going to get better....

Originally posted by F16PilotJumper:Is the Q6600 going to go to a Q6650 with 1333 FSB??

I must note that these prices are pretty crazy!

AFAIK the quad-cores are staying at the 1066 MT/s FSB for now; the July 22 introductions don't include any 1333 MT/s FSB Kentsfields from what we know. There are quad-core Xeons (Clovertown) in the E53x5/X53x5 series with 1333 MT/s FSBs, but you need a 5000 series (Blackford) chipset LGA 771 motherboard with FB-DIMMs, which is an expensive proposition (with high memory latency).

Originally posted by F16PilotJumper:Is the Q6600 going to go to a Q6650 with 1333 FSB??

I must note that these prices are pretty crazy!

AFAIK the quad-cores are staying at the 1066 MT/s FSB for now; the July 22 introductions don't include any 1333 MT/s FSB Kentsfields from what we know. There are quad-core Xeons (Clovertown) in the E53x5/X53x5 series with 1333 MT/s FSBs, but you need a 5000 series (Blackford) chipset LGA 771 motherboard with FB-DIMMs, which is an expensive proposition (with high memory latency).

I expect many will, considering they're effectively two E6600s in the same package. Raise the FSB from 266 MHz to 333 MHz and if necessary, the voltage, and you have yourself a 3 GHz "Q6850" for $266 next month.

from Anandtech:"It is a noteworthy advantage with the P35 chipset motherboards that every Core 2 Duo and Core 2 Quad processor we tested on the P35 boards ran at 1333 FSB speeds at the stock multiplier without the need to increase voltage. This is a significant, free, and pain-free overclock provided courtesy of the new 1333 bus speed option. The only exception to this was our top-line X6800 which did require a mild voltage boost to run at 333x11 (3.67GHz)."

There has to be. It would not make sense to have E6750 priced lower than E6700, unless it's a temporary move.

I think the price cut for E6700 isn't available to the media at this time so the OP left it blank.

I said this very same thing and (I think it was) continuum made a very good point; the E6750 doesn't help users utilizing boards that can't support processors with >1066 FSB. For those users to move to the 6750 they'd have to buy new MBs (and possibly several other components), so it's not really necessary to drop the price of the 6700 in line with the 6750.

For those users to move to the 6750 they'd have to buy new MBs (and possibly several other components), so it's not really necessary to drop the price of the 6700 in line with the 6750.

So from Intel's perspective, what do you think is the percentage of their customers who actually upgrade their PC component by component? I'd say very small. Small enough that it won't have an effect on their bottomline. Therefore, that is a moot point.

When most people (not just people at Ars) upgrade, they generally buy a new computer, or upgrade with a completely new set of components. I am lazy enough that I fall in the latter camp. I do re-use parts, but in general I change out MB, CPU, RAM, and a get bigger HD.

Of course, either way it goes, I will be getting something after July 22.

The AMD cuts are here, so I will be doing an update shortly. I lost the worksheet I'd been using to produce the chart, so I'll have to recreate it; bear with me.

Thanks for stickying the thread, IceStorm. I'll try my best to keep the list up to date.

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Originally posted by Dietz:So, am I reading the OP post list right? No E6700 price cut on the 22nd?

Seems like it. $183 for a 6750 is good enough.

There has to be. It would not make sense to have E6750 priced lower than E6700, unless it's a temporary move.

I think the price cut for E6700 isn't available to the media at this time so the OP left it blank.

Well, according to HKEPC the E6x00/E6x20 series will stay where they are:

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What deserves attention is that there’s been a large cut in the price of Intel Core 2 Duo E6050 family compared with that of the 1066MHz FSB version which has a similar speed, but Intel revealed that with the prices of Core 2 Duo E6400/E6420, E6300/E6320 standing at $183, $163 per thousand, if E6000 family also cut prices, it will destruct the price strategy of Core 2 Duo E4000 and all its previous products. Moreover, since Intel Core 2 Duo E6050 family needs the main boards to support 1333MHz FSB, it will also make some room in the market for E6050 and E6000 families. Therefore, the company won’t make any adjustment to the price of Core 2 Duo E6000 family.

Well, it was a 1 day only sale for Independence Day. I had to take the repackaged retail crap they had, then I showed up the following Saturday right when they opened to exchange it for a brand-shiny-new one. A lot of hassle, but to get a Q6600 two weeks early, well, why not.

Originally posted by continuum:Well, it was a 1 day only sale for Independence Day. I had to take the repackaged retail crap they had, then I showed up the following Saturday right when they opened to exchange it for a brand-shiny-new one. A lot of hassle, but to get a Q6600 two weeks early, well, why not.

Warranty purposes. Not that I expect to have to use the warranty, but that's why.

Just passed 36 hours of Orthos at 3.2ghz/1.325v (default voltage). Ambient temp of 26C lead to peak temps of 81/80/77/77C on the cores, roughly. Current in distributed.net OGR at 26C ambient, 75/75/73/72C right now. Heatsink is a Thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme with a Nexus 120mm fan and Arctic Silver 5.

Throttle point on this CPU is 96C, roughly, which means I probably have some headroom to shoot for 3.4 or 3.5ghz, although from what it looks like on these B3 stepping chips, 3.5ghz or a little more is the ragged edge. The upcoming G0 chips seem to be doing better from what I've head, easily mid-3ghz range for most on air, a few doing a skosh better than that-- as opposed to 3.0~3.1ghz for the B3's.

Originally posted by continuum:Warranty purposes. Not that I expect to have to use the warranty, but that's why.

gotcha.

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Just passed 36 hours of Orthos at 3.2ghz/1.325v (default voltage). Ambient temp of 26C lead to peak temps of 81/80/77/77C on the cores, roughly. Current in distributed.net OGR at 26C ambient, 75/75/73/72C right now. Heatsink is a Thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme with a Nexus 120mm fan and Arctic Silver 5.

Ah, I am glad that my Q6600 is getting to the same temps under load. I was sort of worried that I had not seated the heatsink right.

Load your cpu with the iTAT tool, and I think you will see higher temps on the first two cores. Mine consistently hit 89~91C using iTAT while Orthos gave me similar temps as yours.

I've updated the price list. Intel's Netburst processors have gotten significantly more expensive; presumably their supply is drying up in the channels. In the meantime, with the exception of certain Windsor processors that AMD no longer makes, AMD's low-end and mainstream parts have gotten significantly cheaper. The ones no longer being made have gotten more expensive, however. AMD's 45W Brisbane parts, BE-2300 and BE-2350, are now available.

Just passed 36 hours of Orthos at 3.2ghz/1.325v (default voltage). Ambient temp of 26C lead to peak temps of 81/80/77/77C on the cores, roughly. Current in distributed.net OGR at 26C ambient, 75/75/73/72C right now. Heatsink is a Thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme with a Nexus 120mm fan and Arctic Silver 5.

Load your cpu with the iTAT tool, and I think you will see higher temps on the first two cores. Mine consistently hit 89~91C using iTAT while Orthos gave me similar temps as yours.

Yipe!

Is 90C not fatal for a chip these days?I'm trying to decide between one of the Q6600s and the new dual core E6850 and cant decide. I do alot of Photoshop and alot of games which seem to be at odds with eachother. If the Q6600 can easily be overclocked to 3.0Ghz or higher, it might be a no-brainer for me....

Depends on the chip. Intel specs the Q6600 B3-stepping to 100C, which means most chips actually don't throttle til somewhere between 90C and 100C reported in Intel TAT or Coretemp software (mine hits 96C as the throttle point-- the way those programs dervive the reported temp is imperfect, which explains the variation).