elchip:Deadwood_Pecker: Citation please? Debunk the Beck assertions. Van Johnson just to begin with. What the fark is a felon doing as a Czar? You cherry picked the moderates. There are many more that are rads.

Actually, I picked Richard Holbrooke because he was first in this list. Then, I re-sorted by President who appointed him, and picked the next several who had wiki articles, skipping over Van Jones because he's the one everyone knows about -- the 'couple of controversial ones' I cited.

As for him being a convicted felon, the only places I find that assertion are right-wing forums with no evidence to back them up. I see that he had charges against him dropped.

He and John Holdren are the only two controversial ones that I know about. The Holdren thing seems to be a non-issue, and people who criticize Van Jones are looking at stuff he did in his 20s and has now backed away from.

Van Jones is an ex-Communist. Another noted ex-Communist is Marvin Olasky, an adviser to George W. Bush who helped craft his 'compassionate conservative' message and his 'faith based initiatives' agenda.

aaaaaaaaaaaand that's the last we see of Deadwood_Pecker in this thread.

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears:HeartBurnKid: Oh, and BTW, Beck, you, and everybody else on the right wing are really showing how deeply informed on the issues they are every time they criticize Van Jones.

HeartBurnKid:Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: HeartBurnKid: Oh, and BTW, Beck, you, and everybody else on the right wing are really showing how deeply informed on the issues they are every time they criticize Van Jones.

Who the hell is Van Jones?

You know, there's a reason I linked that.

That sound you hear, that's me slapping my own forehead and calling myself a moran.

Everytime you post anything, I picture a bunch of hard-pipin' nigg*s driving by a road sign real low and slow with the lights off, then suddenly sticking their asses out the window and projectile-shiatting all over it. Then they drive away real fast.

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears:HeartBurnKid: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: HeartBurnKid: Oh, and BTW, Beck, you, and everybody else on the right wing are really showing how deeply informed on the issues they are every time they criticize Van Jones.

Who the hell is Van Jones?

You know, there's a reason I linked that.

That sound you hear, that's me slapping my own forehead and calling myself a moran.

If it's any consolation, you aren't the only one. It seems every right-winger out there determined to "get the word out" on this horrible, horrible person can't even get his name right.

elchip: Health care? It's what he ran on. And he was elected, may I remind you. And his solution is still far to the right than what's implemented in any other industrialized country. I mean, really. This is craziness.===============================================

Yup. But they're stuck so far to the right even someone in the middle is 'far left'. And yes, Bill O' uses that word every day.

The only thing 'far left' he's ever done (EVER!) is takeover GM and Cheney ADMITTED he was going to do it with Bush but ran out of time.

Glenn Beck is simply the latest and the loudest of a long, great tradition in American political talk show hosts, going back to Morton Downey Jr. and Wally George's "Hot Seat", who aims not to discuss or debate, but to inflame, to incite, to ridicule, to provoke and to disrupt the process of rational discourse. It doesn't really matter what he says, or whether it's accurate. So long as it appeals to the basest impulses wrought from ignorance: Greed and paranoia.

He could not have come at a more key time: Over the past 20 years Americans, in general, have become poorer, fatter, sicker, less educated and more racist, and they are angry at themselves for feeling this way, and they need someone to blame. Glenn Beck is simply the conduit.

Ishkur:Glenn Beck is simply the latest and the loudest of a long, great tradition in American political talk show hosts, going back to Morton Downey Jr. and Wally George's "Hot Seat", who aims not to discuss or debate, but to inflame, to incite, to ridicule, to provoke and to disrupt the process of rational discourse. It doesn't really matter what he says, or whether it's accurate. So long as it appeals to the basest impulses wrought from ignorance: Greed and paranoia.

He could not have come at a more key time: Over the past 20 years Americans, in general, have become poorer, fatter, sicker, less educated and more racist, and they are angry at themselves for feeling this way, and they need someone to blame. Glenn Beck is simply the conduit.

Goebbels would have loved Glenn Beck.

Interesting theory. Beck is a foil and/or punching bag for liberals? I dunno.

There's ALOT of stupid people in America, don't underestimate them. I think we can talk safely here though. Fortunately most of them don't own computers, and even if they do, the internet is completely foreign to them. There are a few still though that keep up with technology and even know about obscure sites like fark so we have to be careful. Don't talk about plans for Beck yet. -BO

So all you gun nuts...you think if the gummint gets too uppity you can take 'em down with your AR15s? What are you going to do when the government levels your entire block/stronghold with an ICBM? Or flies a pack of fighter jets over it to saturate the area with napalm?I'm in favor of gun control, but not gun abolition, but if you people think the government is SO corrupt and evil, but will still engage you in a fair fight if they decide to institute fascism, then you are deluding yourselves.Face facts: you just want more guns are using "the gummint" as an excuse.