Then in November 2007, a police officer arrived at a traffic accident involving a police vehicle and motorcycle that killed two teenagers. The officer’s car was set on fire before he could escape. He ended up in the hospital with several broken ribs and a punctured lung from being beaten with baseball bats and iron bars. Clashes with police continued for two days as gang members, armed with shotguns, fired at police as they committed acts of looting and arson. About 130 police officers were injured, 70 cars were burned, and various buildings were attacked including a library and two schools. One police officer described the scene as an “open rebellion” by “urban guerillas.”

These hubs of impoverished, mostly Muslim immigrant communities exist because the French government has designated them as “sensitive urban zones.” These are areas where the police do not have control, effectively making them “no-go zones,” as Dr. Daniel Pipes describes them. Almost five million people live in these areas which are left to themselves, allowing gangs and hostility to authority to breed.

In his book Disinformation, Richard Miniter makes the case that a lack of assimilation is a key factor in breeding terrorism. A survey of terrorists by former CIA case officer Marc Sageman found that “80 percent were, in some way, totally excluded from the society they lived in.” The rioters may be more motivated by a belief that they are being persecuted on the basis of their religion or ethnicity and a desire to self-govern than by radical Islam, but the lack of assimilation will also breed extremism. In the United Kingdom, pro-terrorist gangs are forming in such areas and that is a trend that will come to France if it has not already.

Al-Qaeda and other forces hostile to the French government and police can be counted on to try to paint France’s ban on the wearing of the burqa and niqab as an act of oppression, even if few actually wore them. If the past is any indication, this line will be bought by those who have violently reacted to any potential police action with a knee-jerk belief that it is ill-intentioned and abusive.

Al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb, based in Algeria, threatened to retaliate when the ban was first being discussed. A Muslim group called “Sheikh Yassin,” in honor of the Hamas founder killed by the Israelis, rioted at a debate about the ban in May. Islamist forces are undoubtedly looking at violent opposition to governing authorities in the “sensitive urban zones” as an opportunity.

The riots are the result of a French government too afraid to exercise control over its own territory. The question now is how long it will take for Islamism to transform these areas into Sharia enclaves.

Ryan Mauro is the national security analyst of RadicalIslam.org, the founder of WorldThreats.com and a frequent guest on Fox News Channel. He can be contacted at ryanmauro1986@gmail.com

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robotech master

“The riots are the result of a French government too afraid to exercise control over its own territory. The question now is how long it will take for Islamism to transform these areas into Sharia enclaves.”

Your wrong in this… the riots are a result of to socialist/communism/collectivist ideologies fighting for control. 1 Ideology rightly sees weakness in the other and are acting as such to take control of the bigger collective. When one authoritarian group(france/french) becomes weak another moves to take its place. It the way of things… the current authoritarian group bribed the other group off now as always that group wants more and when they don’t get it they take it because they can.

See what happens when you disarm the public and allow political correctness to run amok? Muslims are violent and we can see the same garbage happenign here in america with the illegal immigrants and people like thoes in oakland. People who view crime as a fun way of life and feel that they are owed something. This is (in US case) a direct result of liberal teachings that say everyone deserves a trophy, and how minorities and illegals are opressed even when they get more opportunities in this country than the citizens. Just wait kiddies. As obama and the liberals expand the welfare state, and as they begin to control everything, this WILL get worse. We see them comming, we know what they will do, and yet we still think we can talk our way out

Your point about illegal immigrants may seem unrelated to the topic, but it’s a very important point.

To be an illegal immigrant, you must:
- break our immigration laws
- lie about who you are
- lie about who your friends are
- lie to get a social security card
- lie to get a drivers license
- lie to work
- cause your employer to lie so you can work
- lie on your income tax return, if you file one

In other words you must have complete contempt for our laws, which leads to the breaking of other laws, which leads to a lawless society, which leads to gangs, drugs, auto theft, kidnapping, murder, rape, terrorism.

The point being is that people who do not respect our laws or our culture have no compunction in destroying our laws and our culture.

The Islamists rampaging and terrorizing in France have no respect for French law or French culture, thus have no compunction in destroying France.

We have to remember that it’s not just economically deprived, good willed Mexicans crossing our borders, but Islamists as well, intent on destroying us.

If we don’t wake up and take action to stop this problem, we will soon wind up just like France.

Amen. I think we are already there. Difference is that in many US areas the people are armed and will protect themselves if necessary. Coming onto my property in a threatening manner will result in an appointment to see 72 virgins in a quick hurry. Your entitled to your religous beliefs. You are not entitled to destroy property or kill other people. The Grenoble punk shot at police, he deserved to be killed.

Islam is a serial murderer of entire cultures and peoples. This is what Islam has done throughout its entire history. It enslaves, diminishes and impoverishes those whom it does not put to the sword. For its psychopathic regard and brutal treatment of women alone, it is an abomination. Islam cannot be “reformed” – if that were so, it would cease to be Islam.

You’re spot-on with the remark “People who view crime as a fun way of life…”

There are barbarians among us who delight in mischief; love the sound of breaking glass; live for mayhem. We see it after basketball championships. We had it here in Seattle after Mardi Gras one particularly bad year. And it astounded me to look at the pictures: men with gleeful grins smashing things and grabbing women.

When civilization lives in denial of this; when we always look for some socio-political reason for violence, we fail. Too many men love violence, and the socio-political stuff is merely an excuse.

The Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown by barbarians invading from without and multiplying from within.
–Will Durant, The Story of Civilization

2000 years or so ago, Titus Livy, in his introduction to his monumental history of Rome remarked that his purpose in writing was “to trace the progress of our moral decline, to watch, first, the sinking of the foundations of morality as the old teaching was allowed to lapse, then the rapidly increasing disintegration, then the final collapse of the whole edifice, and the dark dawning of our modern day when we can neither endure our vices nor face the remedies needed to cure them.” Can we here in the West face the remedies needed to cure our planet of the vile disease that is Islam?

One thing you are leaving out of the American picture is the gang culture. Minorities began forming gangs during the industrial revolution in enclaves where the gangs were a combination of law enforcement within the “no go” areas that policemen wouldn’t police, a check against predation from the outside majority, and the suppliers of illegal vice. Believe it or not some of the earliest gangs were firefighters. However the small chump change made from prostitution and gambling never allowed the gangs to reach the type of power they have today until prohibition. The tons of money in bootlegging corrupted whole city administrations and fostered an era of gang violence and influence never before seen. It was not the “Untouchables” that destroyed the Chicago gangs but rather the 21st amendment. A big reason for repealing prohibition was the level of violence had become such that people were fed up. Another was the realization that the loss of capital trying to enforce it and the loss of capital that taxation could bring in was unsustainable during a global depression. Fast forward to today and look at the power drug prohibition has bestowed on today’s gangs. The kid in Oakland was killed when police tried to bust up a gang fight and the neighborhood went nuts. The money is so vast that Mexico has become a narcostate with no cop left unaligned. Whole neighborhoods are run by gangs and the people in those areas are a subculture where everyone supports the gangs. Did you see the movie Training Days? The violence that old time Chicago felt was so horrific, the St. Valentines Massacre killed seven people, is hugely surpassed in many cities across the world, just 19km south of the Arizona border 21people were killed in a gang shootout July 2nd. Get rid of the engine supporting the gangs and we will see a lot of our territory returned.

The Guard…those are the same people who have had a bellyfull of Hajji already… When it really gets bad the guard are going to back americans. All they have to do is allow themselves to be overwhelmed, and let the mob take its course… The thing everybody forgets is that the guard is citizens too. If an officer order them to open fire on their own people, there will be a mutiny

Not in NJ. Chris Cristy won’t tolerate that kind of challenge to the rule of law. He would call in the State Police and they would arrest the criminals and use force as needed. The people would overwhelmingly back him just as the media would excoriate him. He is not a cowardly Governor you see.

I know few Muslims probably read this web site, but my suggestion to Muslims out there is: “You’re pushing your luck, big time.” I don’t think the Muslims in France really know the dynamite they’re playing with. France is NOT the United States. So far, a large number of non-Muslim French citizens have NOT been killed, either as a result of the riots or as a result of Muslim hatred for the French. There are a lot of riots, but that mostly involves torching cars, buildings, and breaking windows. The killing has not started in ernest, yet. Large bombs have not gone off, killing many French citizens (unlike Spain, where many people were killed in the Madrid bombing). Many non-Muslim French citizens have not been targeted for assasination, unlike some people in Denmark (like Theo Van Gogh). So, in terms of the number of non-Muslim French citizens killed by Muslims in France, not much has happened.

Just wait. If al Qaeda takes this to the next level and starts killing many non-Muslims in France, either through bombings or riots, they had better be prepared for the French reaction. The French have a long, long, history of killing Muslims who hate them. Take a look at the recent history of Algeria if you don’t believe me. There is a point where you don’t want to push the French and the Muslims in France are rapidly reaching that point. If they go beyond that point, trust me, it won’t end well for the Muslims, regardless of who condemns the French reaction.

And react they will. The French have NO hesitation of aggressively attacking ethnic races they simply don’t like. During World War II, the Vichy French had a shameful record of helping the Nazis round up and eliminate Jews in France. The French willingly did this without much prodding from the Germans. And as I said above, the French are no strangers to fighting Muslim extremists. Algeria, Tunisia, Morocco, they know Muslims and they would have NO hesitation in killing lots of them if they thought their country was at stake. The French may have been chased out of North Africa, but they will not be chased out of France. The French have nowhere to go and they know that. The French can also be vindictive pricks when they want to be, so don’t push them too far.

Don’t believe me? Don’t believe that the massive killing of an ethnic race can happen again in Europe after what happened during World War II? Just ask the Muslims in Bosnia or Kosovo, the ones that are still alive, if it can’t happen again. I’m not saying the French are capable of bringing back death camps. Not at all. But they are MORE than capable of firing live ammunition into the crowds of Muslim rioters and they are very capable of arresting a lot of them and keeping them in jail for a long, long, time.

If any Muslims in France are reading this my suggestion to you is simple: Don’t push your luck, especially in France.

One important point to keep in mind is that the Crusades were mostly led by the French. (That’s why it makes me giggle when Muslims talk about the Crusades and… um… America [!?] in the same breath.) And what your histroy teacher is terrified to tell you is that the Crusades were partly a reaction to Islamic infiltration into Europe.

If the Muslims push France too hard, hopefully the ghost of Charles “The Hammer” Martel will be roused from his slumber!

A counter possibility is that the internal territory for these no-go zones continues to increase (about 10% of the population now). Therefore the violence does not spill out of these zones as the zones themselves increase. At that point a significant minority of the French population (especially those in political power) just surrender and go Vichy.

Mm if France go Vichy as you say, so it would be worse. I invite you to learn about what happened to the rebellous “Pieds Noirs”extremistes in the Bab-El -Oued quarter during the last times of the Algerian War and they were French !!!
I think LibertyShip is right.

“And react they will. The French have NO hesitation of aggressively attacking ethnic races they simply don’t like. During World War II, the Vichy French had a shameful record of helping the Nazis round up and eliminate Jews in France. The French willingly did this without much prodding from the Germans. And as I said above, the French are no strangers to fighting Muslim extremists. Algeria, Tunisia, Morocco, they know Muslims and they would have NO hesitation in killing lots of them if they thought their country was at stake. The French may have been chased out of North Africa, but they will not be chased out of France. The French have nowhere to go and they know that. The French can also be vindictive pricks when they want to be, so don’t push them too far.”

React, sure we will !!

hmm “the Vichy French had a shameful record of helping the Nazis round up and eliminate Jews in France”

yet 75% of our Jews survived, not alike in the occupied countries where up to 95% were eliminated ;/)

The problem that Vichy France had, was that France was a Territory that welcomed too many economical or political refugiees since the Depression, from all Europe, from fashist Italy and from fashist civil war of Spain. The whole lot represented much more that the US had at the same period.

Hitler along his conquest on the eastern front kept delocating the Jews to France until 1941, when he decided that the number of them was too big, no more space in his labour concentration camps, and France was reluctant to welcome more of them, because of the heavy cost and of the no space anymore for them. So When Hitler decided the final solution for the Jews, only foreign Jews from France were expelled, until the end of 1942 when Germany invaded the whole France, since then no quater for all Jews was the alternative. Though french population managed to hide lots of them, as well the church and for some par the Gendarmerie and the clerics closed their eyes too. It was dificult to resist to the SS, you risked your life, many have died under torture or in camps for overpassing the rules. I don’t escuse those that collaborated though. I am glad I didn’t have to live these troubled times.

Of course, we can react to a hostile population and or religion, our history demonstrated that religions clashes were not a nice party. These suburbans will have to comply any time soon, our police and or our army will not make into tapestry, they will fire at them. It’s a pity, cuz the majority of these young immigrants are nice guis, I host at the moment a senegalese, a Marrocan, and a Cambodgian, they are lovely persons.

I hope you are right.
I would like to see the French completely drive the izlamonian barbarians completely out of France, retake the North African Magreb and this time do it right.
Eliminate the scourge of izlam, once and for all times.

Charles the Hammer, was a Frankish ruler, that is German not French and the French of today are not the same kind of French of that time, they are not even the same kind of French of the war in Algeria.

The French of today lost their pride. They are daily brainwashed by leftist lies, multiculturalism, political correctness and moral relativism (like us but for a longer time). They just don’t care and don’t see much difference between Christianity and islam, their politicians or the Saudi princes, or western civilization and sharia, the fools (and it is a unbeliever talking here)…

Many are already in the resistance against islam, but most are willing to wait and see, like most waited to see what the nazis will do. And like the nazis, the muslims will kill the Jews and the French who resist, so they think all will be fine this time too.

And in a few decades, French will marry their young daughters to pious old men, like the Saudis do, and beat them if they disobey, like the Egyptians do, or stone them if they were raped, like the Afghans do, because it is what “prophet” mohamed did or it is what allah says in the koran or it is what the shariah orders. And the sons will be trained to kill the next infidels.

Although, it won’t happen because the Americans, Canadians and Australians will come fighting to save them (and the other European countries, including England this time…).

Not (only) because we like them, but because if they fall under the claws of islam, muslims will have even more man power and weapons to fight the remaining Non-muslims.

When a government deliberately decides not to police a territory, some other organization will rise to fill that vacuum. More often than not that organization is a gang, or in this case, religious extremists.

These “sensitive urban zones” are ghettos of desperation, neglect, and hopelessness. If I were an immigrant living there I too might think that violence is the answer. What else is there? You can’t call your local Gendarme.

The solution is simple, but the French have never shown the courage to execute it. Obviously those rioters wanted to join the deceased thief in Paradise, so the cops should have shot as many rioters as they could until the violence stopped.

If they really care about their country, the French could then deport all the survivors.

When those who wish to deceive learn how to effectively identify those who are willing to be deceived anything is possible, as the muslim culturists are finding out.

Of course, muslims will continue with their scorched earth policy over nations still possessing any semblence of liberty. The day will come when their deadly task will be reduced to the simplest formula: “As a muslim, I am offended by your existence on both a personal and national level. Therefore, you are required by your own regulations (formulated to make me feel better) to show up at the Elimination Center at the time of morning prayers tomorrow.” As you check in at the EC, you will observe that the officials on hand for the welcoming ceremony are your local PC municipal officials who are scheduled last for elimination, so that they can help with the orderly elimination of liberty in your community.

Like obama said, they sure are gonna love the west once a gray man is elected precedent. How’s that hope and change working for you?

Will the French as a people finally get tired of this stuff and strike back? If this sort of foolishness happened here in the states, I could see it going 2 ways. . . here in the South, people would stand up to it, at least away from the PC urban areas. . . in the North, I doubt too many would resist , as there is more of an antigun/self defense sentiment prevalent. . . .would be interesting though to see what some of the big gangs ( like the Bloods, Crips, and Latin Kings) would do when the Islamists invaded their turf. . .

You are joking, right? The worst race riots in America happened in Detroit in 1967 (Rodney King riots came close). At least 45 people were killed, the vast majority of them black looters shot by white citizens or the mostly white National Guard, or eventually elements of the US Army 82nd and 101st Airborn divisions.

Nothing on this scale took place in the South in the last 50 years. And realistically, can it? Mississippi is 30% black. South Carolina has 1 million blacks in a small state. Southerners talk a good line, but we all saw Katrina.

Of course it’s coming to the US!
But hasn’t anybody noticed? It already came to the U.S.!
Watts. MS13. Oakland. Newark. U.Va., Ft. Hood, 911, on and on and on.
Unassimilated “African-Americans” and Hispanics with publicly funded teachers of rebellion rather than affiliation.
Muslims are just another wave, but immensely stronger and well funded.

Mauro, you’ve hit the nail on France’s head. I lived there for years, and I know that the French authorities are just like ours in their cowardice before multi-cultural and politically correct mumbo-jumbo that got them their demogoguic power in the first place. Now they’re riding the tiger. And so must we.

The Demogogues have created a situation where the only recourse is to lock down the borders and beat the tiger into ‘assimilation’.

Welcome to the long, hot summer of 2010, foretaste of 2012, courtesy of the Demogoguic Party and the American sheeple’s public schools.

Assimilation? Forced Assimilation breeds resentment..rage, revenge.
How about if we just opt out of the whole game..and KEEP THEM OUT.
We save us Civil War, car bombings, hatred..endless placation.
They call us “Racist”

Your own race is your extended family. Legitimate racism is not about superior vs. inferior. It’s about just plain difference. Just as you would naturally resist being forced to let another family move in to live in your house with you, likewise it is perfectly natural not to want to be forced to live around people of a different race in your own country. Whites will always resent having to live around blacks and Mexicans, and vice versa. The only way there will ever be peace is if people of different races and ethnicities live separately in their own defined geographical spaces.

But what happens next year or the year after that when the Iranians have nuclear weapons? They apparently already have missiles that can deliver nukes to much of Europe. Do you suppose they’ll stand by and let French Muslims be killed in substantial numbers?

I don’t think it is safe to assume that either the US or Israel will eradicate any Iranian bomb before it can be deployed. Sure, that MIGHT happen but:
- both countries are democracies with substantial internal opposition to such actions
- both countries would be strongly opposed by other countries if they tried such a thing
- there are substantial military difficulties in finding and accessing all the facilities Iran is using to produce those nukes

Unless we can be quite sure of eliminating the Iranian bomb, it would be dangerous indeed for the French to start bayonetting rioters who happen to be Muslims.

Until Muslims condemn and inform on terrorists, Islam will remain the enemy. By providing a safe harbor for terrorists they become terrorists. Civilized humans do not aid people that kill civilians. Anyone with a working mind should know that Jews were in the Middle East centuries before Islam existed and should be allowed to live in peace.

After Muslims change their behavior I will consider changing my low opinion of them in general.

Just as the saying goes, ‘You can take a tiger out of the jungle, but you cannot take the jungle out of the tiger’, so goes for the muslims. You can take them out of where mohammed committed his acts of violence, but you cannot take mohammed’s acts of violence out of them.

Where this is headed, short term, will be “autonomous regions” for the Muslims. They will be self governed and sharia law will be law of these regions. I’d imagine they’ll still collect from the public treasuries and somehow be exempt from the oppressive taxation of the EU states.

Just google French Riots and check out the list, another reported yesterday (7/21. The same scenario. A criminal fleeing, he dies in a wreck and the riots ensue. It will be interesting to see just how much the French will take before truly firing back with purpose.

Here is a coverage from The Australian, July 18, 2010. looks like PC culture has no bounds. Everyone throughout the world is afflicted by it. Mentioning “Muslim” is no no!!! it’s always the youhs, delinquents, hoodlums, etc.

RIOTERS opened fire and torched shops and cars in France’s Grenoble city after police shot dead a suspected robber.

The unrest forced the French government to vow a swift crackdown on “delinquents”.

Youths torched between 50 and 60 cars in the southeastern city nestled in the French Alps as well as construction equipment and two shops in the early hours of yesterday morning. Police said they made five arrests.

Interior Minister Brice Hortefeux visited the scene and pledged to quickly restore order to the working class La Villeneuve neighbourhood.

“When I say quick, I mean immediately, that’s how we are going to re-establish public order and the authority of the state,” he told a press briefing.

“There is a simple and clear reality in this country: there’s no future for hoodlums and delinquents because in the end the public authority always wins.”

The rioting started after a memorial service for 27-year-old Karim Boudouda, who had died 24 hours earlier in a shootout with police after allegedly holding up the Uriage-les-Bains casino near Grenoble.

Shortly before midnight, a group of around 30 youths armed with baseball bats and iron bars attacked a tram in Boudouda’s La Villeneuve district and forced the passengers out.

Police intervened and the youths began torching vehicles and attacking police who responded with tear gas.

At around 2.30am, a youth emerged at the front of the rioters and fired a shot at police, who returned fire, police spokeswoman Brigette Jullien said.

Nobody was injured in the riots, said police, who arrested two men aged 18 and 20 for setting fire to vehicles and three more for attempted looting of shops.

Mr Hortefeux, with a horde of media in tow, made a lightning 15-minute tour of La Villeneuve and promised quick action by the authorities.

“I’ve asked the prefect to use all means to secure the neighbourhood… for now and for as much time as necessary for calm to return,” he said.

Some residents listening to the interior minister, who also promised to crack down on any drug and arms trafficking in the area, were not totally reassured.

“On the one hand it’s reassuring, on the other it can only stir up the hatred of some people,” a florist in the neighbourhood said, adding that he wanted to empty his shop in case there were more incidents.

“The minister’s visit only risks aggravating the situation,” said another resident who also asked not to be identified.

According to police union SGP-FO, violence has been on the rise in recent months in Grenoble. “Police are at breaking point,” said regional union chief Daniel Chomette.

The union called for reinforcements, and for classifying the Grenoble district as a “difficult zone”.

The casino at Uriage-les-Bains was the third to be attacked in southeastern France and Switzerland since late March.

An alleged accomplice of Boudouda escaped during the shootout and was on the run.

Prosecutor Jean Philippe said the police had acted in legitimate self-defence when they were fired on at least three times after a car chase which ended in La Villeneuve.

Here in the Western USA many people routinely carry guns. If a group of thugs attacked a train I was on with bars and bats I would pick out the biggest dumbest looking one and drop him dead in his tracks. Then, after a short three count, I’d drop the one next to him. I’m pretty sure by the time I needed to reload the mob would be gone.

I have visited France many times but had not been in Paris since 2001. In May, 2010, I made a return visit to Paris. The changes I saw depressed me. On the ride in from the airport we saw graffiti on many buildings. When the metro ticket seller heard my son and I speaking English he said, “Welcome to the French nightmare.” He wasn’t kidding. Paris is no longer a white city. That may not necessarily be a bad thing but too many of the newcomers, blacks and Arabs, behaved in public in a way I had seen Parisians behave- ever. Boisterous drunks openly drinking on the subways; angry young men spitting at the subway passengers just as the subway car doors were closing. In past years I noted the presence of metro police. There were none to be seen. I can only guess that the police are backing away to avoid confrontations with “minorities.” The way New York City cops did before Giuliani appeared. The many Asians in Paris acted like Asians tend to act. Properly. That was my last visit to a city I loved.

I am wondering how long it will take for otherwise reasonable people to abandon the fantasy of Muslim assimilation into western society. They have never indicated that they want to assimilate into western society, and there is no indication that a significant number of Muslims desire to assimilate into western society for any purpose other than to destroy it from the inside, moreover their holy texts call for them to destroy every other belief. Why do we keep deluding ourselves into believing that there can be any other outcome than what we are seeing? Trying to incorporate Muslims as a positive element of western society is roughly equivalent to attempting to bring in boll weevils as a partners in cotton production.

Exactly right!!! Muslims have no desire to assimilate in any other culture, society other than some other Muslim society. There is absolutely nothing good that they bring to any society they go in. The baggage of Islam they bring along with them causes only misery in the host country. In spite of this well known fact the West has chosen to let Muslims in their countries with the consequent undesirable results and still the West does not understand. All this utopian dream of building a multicultural society has not resulted in generating any goodwill towards the West, then why continue to let more Muslims in the West???

Europe is going to be Eurabia soon and the USA, Canada, Australia, etc are not far behind!!!

Response to Chuck#21 and Martha #24 I am with you 100%!!! The ‘sorry’ thing is that America, in particular our wonderful “politicians” in DC, our states and our Cities, (with the exception of Barbara Bachman, Jan Brewer, Former Mayor Giuliani of NY, Sheriff Arpaio, AZ to name a few) don’t have the brass ba@@s to stand up to these and every other ‘whiny’ entitlement group out there. This is the U.S.A. Period! Don’t like our Rules, Constitution and Laws
get the F out. We can all chip in for a one way plane ticket. We are the sleeping Giant and we are waking up! Again, get active write/email/fax/call your representatives, support rallys. There ‘IS’ strength in numbers. If you do decide to contact a representative, keep to your point and don’t get nasty, let them know they are about to loose your vote. Remember to VOTE!! Know what your candidate stands for! Ask questions! The primary’s are coming up. LETS CLEAN HOUSE!! thank you

Just a note on the character of French Moslems in these areas. Strangely, most of them are not religious at all. They are certainly very bigoted with regards to non-Moslems, and many believe in establishing these “sensitive urban zones” but they are not really under Sharia law, at least not like someone from Saudi Arabia would recognize it. The most obvious characteristics of Islamist influence are rabid misogyny and pathological Jew hatred, but mostly these areas are controlled by criminal gangs. That doesn’t mean that foreign terrorists would not support them (as they have done in the past), but many of them are not religious at all. They don’t go to Friday prayers, don’t pray five times a day, and engage in activities like theft and drug trafficking that would never be accepted in religious Moslem societies. It’s telling that many of them will riot in support of thieves that would receive vicious corporal punishment in areas where Sharia is enforced.

This article makes it sound as though the muslims are hungering to become Frenchmen and if only the French didn’t ghettoize them…Give me a break. They are in France as an invading force whose purpose is to conquer the French and then incorporate France into the Ummah. I read recently that more than half the births in the Ile de France, Paris and its environs, are black births. The majority of those blacks are muslims. Forget getting tough. If the French don’t embark on a massive expulsion of muslims, and soon, France is doomed. Is cleaving to the reigning liberal orthodoxy more important than survival? We shall see.

I’m going to take Chuck’s #21 comments a bit further. He’s right that the muslims do not want to assimilate into western society. They want to take over western society and force it to bend to Islam.
Here’s how we stop it.
Do not in any circumstance give in to any of the whining that they need footbaths or time to bow to Mecca 5 times a day. If the cab drivers do’nt want to take dogs or people with liquor they need to find new careers. In other words DO NOT ACCOMODATE THEM IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM! They need to bend to our ways. We did’nt bring them here, they came on their own, they do’nt like it here, they are free to leave, and do’nt let the door hit them, where the dog should have bit them.
Next and this goes for Illegal Aliens as well.SHUT THE WALLET!Stop giving them welfare,food stamps,college aid or Social Security payments. Why are they getting these anyway? They’re ILLEGAL! They pay no taxes, they should get nothing,watch how quick they leave if the money stops flowing.

You are exactly right. Wherever there are Muslims they are making the demands you mention. We should not accommodate them in any way. They should be expelled from any western country the minute these demands begin.

According to my favourite living essayist, Theodore Dalrymple, who is British and now lives in France, both the British and the French have large numbers of baseball bats even though baseball is not played seriously in either country. Dalrymple cited this in a recent essay (but he has so many that I’m darned if I can easily find that specific one – sorry!). The reason is simple: they make very effective defensive – and offensive – weapons.

I’m guessing (!!) that a few British and French people saw Americans using baseball bats as weapons in movies – they get most American movies in both countries, although they have subtitles in France – and saw how effective they were. Then they began asking for them at sporting good stores and the store owners started importing them….

Here is a home improvement project for the French owners of those burned car.
1. Salvage one or more leaf springs.
2. Curt length to form a reasonable length and weight bar.
3. Grind one long edge of above bar to form a reasonable edge. Clean ground edge with a file if desired.
4. Wrap one end of this bar with electrical or Duct tape.
5. Use the above object to replace breakable base ball bat.

This is all foolishness. The only problem is that these downtrodden and discriminated-against representatives of the religion of peace are not treated fairly. How can they possibly take over assimilate?

To cure this intolerable situation, as many as possible — thousands — must immediately be brought to the United States and granted full scholarships and significant stipends at the various prestigious institutions of higher learning. They will doubtless respond by showing their immense gratitude through peaceful demonstrations at Harvard Yard, the Yale Old Campus and comparable venues at Berkley and similar elite institutions. Then, there will truly be be peace in our time.

My library choice for this time is one that directs us to get educated about the Islamic terrorist agenda ASAP: WHY WE WANT TO KILL YOU, by ex-terrorist Walid Shoebat,copyright 2007,pub. Top Executive Media
Everything from why martyrs (suicide bombers and like minded) salivate for the role in Paradise with the 70 virgins, to exactly what the mindset and population support is among “non-terrorist” Muslims. And where all the money comes from for the training and support and family payoffs of the faithful freedom fighters for Allah.
There is NO reasoning or friendly sit-down chat with this degree of hatred.
They are free to deny their Muslim faith (lie) and to say in English the Opposite of what they say to their followers.
A must-read for our education.

Iranian Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini’s 1942 speech entitled, “Islam Is Not a Religion of Pacifists.” The ayatollah specifically states that Islam says, “Kill (non-believers)…People cannot be made obedient (to Islam) except with the sword…Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those (who say so) are witless.”

Bukhari (8:387) – Allah’s Apostle Muhammed said, “I HAVE BEEN ORDERED TO FIGHT THE PEOPLE UNTIL THEY SAY ‘NONE HAS THE RIGHT TO BE WORSHIPPED BUT ALLAH’ ”

we had similar riots in our “special urban zones” after the beating of Rodney King. The “special urban zones” or ghettos as regular people call them exist in the poor parts of every country. That is why the news did not feel the need to express the religion of the rioters. I mean do you know how religious each person in the riot is? If they were that religious they would not be robbing casinos. Basically, you cannot rail on black people anymore so you have moved on to Muslims.

You have absolutely no idea what’s going on over there, but of course you crack armchair internet specialists know the right solution, don’t you…

As it turns out there’s a 30% unemployment rate in the said 400m square neighborhood in an otherwise wealthy and multi-cultural city. Because it was built so as to provide cheap homes years ago, property decreased, more poor people moved in and you can see the cycle.

Of course as french we’re appalled by the violence on both sides (the police ain’t no white knight in shiny armor, on the contrary) but I’m glad the the majority of people know this is just a rough time induced by the economy, MUSLIMS included.

Anyhow, I don’t know why I’m posting this since you all seem to have your ideas set this way… I live 20 km away from villeneuve, the neighborhood in question, just fyi.

I’m an American living in Bali, Indonesia, which is the worlds most heavily populated Muslim country. My Balinese friends here suggest that the world learn from the Balinese and see what the Muslim’s have done here in Bali, in their own country, to their own countrymen. I do feel and fear that the Muslim’s will rule much if not all the world, just look at all those that enable them under the ‘veil’ of political correctness. You can see what is done everyday in every country of the world by viewing http://www.thereligionofpeace.com . it’s not about Bush. It’s not about Israel. It’s about a culture that thinks cutting someones head of is not worse than a cartoon. If you heard 1/2 the stories I do about how their women where treated, that alone would convince you. With all the violence that Islam heaves upon the world, i do not recall one single demonstration of Muslims ever saying it’s wrong.

well, we are more worried of what is going to happen to the eurozone at the moment.

these rioters are teens,

when they get their majority they suddenly calm down, because they are likely to spend some times in jails.

now, that doesn’t mean that there isn’t a problem,

sure the army will have to invest these no public zones

Though you can’t find a ground for terrorism in these suburbs, cuz it’s mostly gangsterism that motives the rebels investment.

Besides we have with the Mossad the best anti-terrorism organisation.

not alike UK, that you takes as a referrence, where mostly AQ organisations have their fields, because of the origin of their muslims, also because they are “educated”. Ours are incults, even in islam, it’t their tribe belongings, as Algerians, that motivates their rebellion.

It’s funny, since the money crisis overwhelmed the actualities, our Muslims activists that were denigrating all what is French, kept quiet, I surfe on their blogs and Twitter accounts, nothing about the burqa, nothing about the suburbs problems…

Our suburbs aren’t a specific islam problem, but a society problem, when a idle unemployed youth has taken the path of gangsterism.

This isn’t a police purpose anymore, since guns appeared, it’s a state surety problem, and we need that the army takes control.

France is the yellow serin for suburbs problems, you’ll get the same sorts everywhere in your western cities too, if not already !

I didn’t bother, to read the comments, since they are the same for ages, critics, no solution !

I’ve got one solution for you; cut the taxes and red tape that make it nearly impossible to open and operate a business legally. Encouraging entrepreneurialism is one way to cut back on the massive unemployment, but I can’t see that happening anytime soon.

Misinformed? You might want to ask why 500,000 young French people have decided to move to Britain to work. Or we can just let them speak in their own words.

“Sivilia said she would consider returning to France but probably not as a business owner.

“I’d do like the English,” she said with a laugh. “I’d buy a house in the south of France. But while I’m in my entrepreneurial phase, I want to be here.”"

Or

“Moreover, legislation limiting the workweek to 35 hours hurts small businesses more than large corporations. Contrasting France with Germany and Italy and their networks of robust – often family-run – multinational companies, Cohen said: “We don’t have a fabric of small and midsize enterprises; it’s an essential weakness.

“The rules are made for the big enterprises, not for the small,” Cohen added.”

I’m still unsure as to how the French can be spectacularly wrong and still continue to defend their position, even when they know that they are wrong. Stay in your high tax, high regulation, low growth socialist state. I’ve lived there; and I can tell you it is the one place on earth I would never consider opening a business.

your article is outdated, from march 2008 !!! before the first hit of the housing crisis of UK, since then water has passed under the bridges, the wealthy situation of UK isn’t anymore what it was, some say that the whole bank system there will get bankrupted soon.

but yes, youngs used to go, and for some part still go to UK for their first job experience, you should also check how many come back each year !

The fact is we already reached a point of no return. Muslims in France have become more radical. And there is a real apartheid in all french cities.

The government can’t react, because it’s fearing bigger riots and civil war. France has a tradition of violences : in 1789, thousands people were killed each day ; same thing in 1871 ; 600000 Vendeans were assassinated ; 1000000 Algerians were killed…

What’s missing for the beginning of the civil war ?
1) A real economical crisis. For the moment, the effects of the crisis are not visible in France as they are in Greece or in Spain. When unemployment benefits for Muslims will be suppressed, tension will increase.
2) A massacre of Frenchmen by Muslims…

The Leftists in both Great Britain & France really have destroyed those once great nations. Their immigration policies have been proven to be a terrible disaster for much of Western Europe. Unfortunately things will get much worse in that region. It really is very sad.

“In May 2006, about 100 youths with baseball bats fought with police on the same battlefields from the previous year. The mayor had to flee his home when it was stoned, homemade explosives were tossed at the town hall building, trash cans were in flames, and four cars were blown up.”
What town is this? What mayor are we talking about? This article could really benefit from an editor.

Yes, the utopic ideas of leftists about immigration are a plague. We must remember Enoch Powell, who was surely the first to tell the truth about multiculturalism… He had a lot of problems because of this.

this is what happens when Islam comes to your country. Look at any nation with high percentages of Islamic inhabitants, and you will see high incidents of terrorism. Look at the nations with 90% and above percentages of Islamic inhabitants, and you will see nations like Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia where the people have no freedom and if you try to have an opinion outside of the Koran you will be imprisoned or put to death.

What about Turkey or Indonesia? There is a large Muslim population in Minnesota. They do not have horrible terrorist attacks. China has no religion and yet it is has a tyrannical government. Also, there are Christian leaders in Africa that are horrific. They world is much more complicated than you would like to think.

In Turkey, all non-muslims people have been exterminated : Armenians, Greeks (in 1921), Assyro-Chaldeans…

In Indonesia, Mulsims are killing christians and huarens (Chinese Indonesians) everywhere : we all know what happened in East Timor ; but there is the same thing in the Moluccas, in Borneo & New Guinea, where locals are islamised or killed…
The only island which is wealthy and peaceful is Bali, where the people are hinduist.

You can surely find some dictators in Africa who are christians ; but you can’t find IN ALL CENTURIES one islamic country which would be democratic.

The response by the so-called Muslim community to an armed and violent robbery/attack is so disgustingly wrong that it is futile to even argue the point. It is so blatantly, incredibly, dark-agedly backward that it only serves to prove a point already proven over the last 1500 years. It is futile to reason with Islam, where by faith they are driven to conquer not integrate or assimilate. The spread of Islam and the anarchy its nature brings to Western Civilization can only be stopped, exiled or defeated.

Take note that any referance to the muslim cheering and dancing the day of 9/11 has been purged from the internet. You can’t find any reference to it. Google it. It’s gone. It happened but someone or some government doesn’t want you to know.

Gone are the days when real men stood for something….family, protection, honor, Country, way of life. In my youth growing up there were no gay acceptance programs, shows, books…there were no single girls/mothers having babies and their way….gangs did not and would not control streets/neighborhoods….cops gave a beating to thugs….prison used to be a bad place to be not a right of passage….parents of your block or building would straighten unruly kids out without social workers….a social worker was someone who mingled at a party with drink in hand…wearing a helmet was for the handicap in the back of a yellow bus…kids who fell out of a tree was their own damn fault and not the homeowner, city nor grower of that tree…if a kid looked down while walking they would walk into a car or angry dog. My mentors were Charles Bronson, Lee Marvin, John Wayne and the likes thereof. Patsies, lawyers, stay at home Dads, granola Fathers the LL Bean crowd now run the neighborhood; no wonder Muslim punks, gang members act wild and free for the real men are gone.

We all must stand strong with our beliefs, along with our Christianity. The koran I truly believe instills hatred for all that are not of their faith. What kind of so-called bible teach such barbarism? I believe that the koran is not a true bible. If it was a true bible, then it would preach togetherness, peace, love toward your fellow man, and respect for others, no matter their beliefs. I am a staunch conservative, GOD fearing, AMERICAN PATRIOT, that will not allow this type of muslim perpitude in my FREE REPUBLIC of the UNITED STATES. Approximately 60 percent of AMERICANS believe as I do. At least one-half of AMERICA is armed also. Just a fact being stated. Mohammed was not a preacher of good, but a preacher of hate, racism, and love for their little boys. If you understand the koran, then you will understand this statement. France should immediately strike back at the terrorist muslim islamist jihadists, with MIGHT. This is the only thing that these true infidels understand. Sock it to em’.

This story is the future of the US except it wont be the muslims but it will be hispanics who were once illegal aliens then given citizenship who in turn brought their families here. The new foreign born citizens formerly illegal aliens will number at least 100 million by then and will overload the welfare rolls in a country (future US) with lets say 22 % unemployment with debt now at 35 trillion dollars and a worthless currency. The new citizens who never assimilated or really wanted US citizenship will then rebel with talk of a new provisional government and enforce their new laws and policies. If you want to keep your house you will obey.
Yes America you only have yourself to blame for what could possibly come to the US as you sat by and watched the invasion of your country. Your very existence hangs in the balance.

This is just one of the many onslaughts waged on the free countries of the the religion of ‘peace,’ Islam. It is not just France who is in trouble here. In England, Muhammed has become the number one name for baby boys instead of the name George. The muslim world knows it cannot defeat us in outright war so it has devised the plan to overpopulate targeted countries. I believe it is already too late for Europe. Most of asia, the middle east, africa have muslim majority populations. Once Europe is gone, only the Americas will be left. I recommend seeing the documentary called The Third Jihad.

This problem is only going to get worse, and it’s not going to just be France who enjoys this kind of behaviour from its Muslim population. Belgium, Holland, Germany, and the UK are all in the same boat.

Wake up America! We need to be doing more than just ‘blogging’ and blowing
off steam! We need to get active! How do we know the true intentions of these people in America?? Paranoid? You betcha! There is a fear and rightly so! These so called peaceful muslims ‘may not’ be so peaceful. Are there peaceful muslims? I am sure there is. How do we know who is who? Do we just take their word for it? We need to educate ourselves on just who these ‘groups’ are who are purchasing buildings and land for mosques in our cities and neighborhoods. SIOA (Stop Islamization of America) is a good information start for those who are interested. Should we stay on the side of caution or be naive. Did you know All Mosques are not created equal? (see atlasshrugs2000.com). I have protested against muslims who want to build a mosque at ‘Ground Zero’. I will be going again to do so on July 27th 6:00 pm at 280 Broadway 2nd Floor @ Dance New Amsterdam entrance on Chambers in NYC. Address is for anyone who wants to ‘get active’. They need everyone’s help. This is a disgrace to the memories of those who perished on September 11, 2001. Mayor Bloomberg should be ashamed of himself for his own naivete and for his stance on this matter. He thinks by the way, its a ‘matter of religious freedom’. But, yet, we are made out to be ‘the bad people’ I don’t get it.. “We” know this is the wrong thing to do. A mosque at ground zero will not ‘heal’ us. If they truly want healing, take their mosque plans somewhere else (preferably back to the middle east) and don’t insult our intelligence this way. I hope anyone who reads this will get active in some way, there is much you can do and there are many (too many) causes to fight for in the name of America Sovereignty these days.

I think most of us can agree that no person or group of persons will necessarily represent a whole – especially when it comes to religion.

We are all flawed to one degree or another in our humanity. Even if we found a perfect church organization it would cease to be perfect in a sense once we joined it because of our flawed nature, right? Therefore, it stands to reason that there will be good and bad examples of followers in every faith – that is a common denominator among all of them.

However, as many of us see in the news, there seems to be at least one suicide bombing or act of terror in the name of Islam each and every day. And unfortunately they are often cowardly directed at unarmed, innocent civilians. When 74 were killed by muslim jihadists for allah watching world cup soccer, nobody blinked because it was just another day in the islamic world.

It would be one thing if these terrorists just happened to be culturally Muslim and were committing these crimes for some ulterior human motive. These things happen, and therefore we should not lay blame on a whole group as a result. But they claim to do it out of religious conviction. So, have these extremists “hijacked” Islam or are they the true representatives of it as they claim?

Any objective person would question, if there something inherently violent about the faith for this to happen on a virtually daily basis. If Catholics, Buddhists, Hinduists, or any other religion were committing these types of atrocities on such a frequent basis – while invoking the name of religion – any objective person would likewise call them into question too. But is that the case? Why does it always seem to be in the name of Islam and not any other religion? Where are they getting these ideas from?

Yes, many Muslim apologists will say that it is a few bad apples who don’t represent the whole. Fair enough, that may be a valid argument as I stated above, but how do we put this to the test? What about those terrorists claiming the “moderate” Muslims are not really Muslims and denounce their cowardice? How do we know which faction represents Islam most closely? Who is the true Muslim?

As we can’t rely solely on personal examples because of our flawed nature, we must go back to the source documents, traditions. and/or hierarchy of the faith right?

One problem with text documents though is the matter of interpretation right? Once again our flawed nature enters the picture. So, although personal examples can not be relied on entirely to form an accurate appraisal of a faith, it can neither be ignored as it may demonstrate how the faithful understand their religion and put it into practice.

Yet, the Koran has dozens of verses that literally endorse violence, how do we rectify that?

Islam means “peace” IF…and this is a HUGE “IF” when one “submits and surrenders to allah and THEIR way (sharia) of life”. Otherwise…all bets are off and those that follow this madness as founded by their terrorist/pedophile prophet are simply doing what the koran and hadith instruct them to do. The koran to these people is ABSOLUTE and hence, the reason why this madness as ALWAYS taken place since muhammad wandered out of his cave proclaiming he spoke to allah.

Its just a matter of time until we see this happening in the USA by not only the muslims, but also other ethnic or religoius groups who do not want to assimilate into the American way of life.
Its a tragedy that the USA has many, many more America haters here after 9/11 than before, especially from the Middle East.
Have not learned a dern thing about the consequences of too many ethnic and religious groups wanting their piece of the pie. Yugoslavia, the USSR, Rwanda, the Middle East, etc., etc. are prime examples where too much diversity is a nation killer.
One cannot serve two masters and here we are trying to serve thousands which will be our downfall soon.

The Euopean Union has colapsed the culture of those independant and once great countries. For centuries the world was shaped and guided by French, German, English, Spanish, etc. But now the socialists and communists who have neutered the real men of these countries, have succeeded in weakening the foundations to such a degree that europe will fall once again to muslim invasion. But don’t blame the muslims, take a long hard look in the mirror. I hope the free ride you demanded from your govenrments is worth all you are losing

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We’ve had blacks riot here in the states, it’s the same thing. They also refuse to integrate, even though society is now completely open to them, and they refuse to live productive lives. Their neighborhoods are also no-go zones for any respectable human being. However, they know better than to take the riot out of their own miserable neighborhood, because they would all soon be very dead black people.