The 13th Zodiac Sign – Ophiuchus

In mythology, Ophiucus is identified with the healer Asclepius, the son of Apollo, who was able to bring the dead back to life. Realizing his power, Hades convinced Zeus to kill Asclepius with a lightning bolt, and he was placed into the stars as a constellation after his death.

The constellation, Ophiuchus, has been known since ancient times, and is better known as Serpentarius, the Serpent Holder. It is included in the list of 48 constellations described by Ptolemy. Ophiuchus is depicted as a man handling a serpent; his body dividing the large snake into two parts, giving way to the symbol used today as an Asclepius – the medical staff. Astrologers have not included Ophiuchus in the wheel of Astrological signs because the Sun spends only about nineteen days in this 13th sign of the Mazzaroth. Not that there wasn’t a 13th sign in the Heavens, but as far as Astrologers were concerned, the Sun traveled from the constellation ‘Scorpius’ and then proceeded directly into the sign of Sagittarius. In reality, this was not the case. The Sun, for 19 days of the year, travels through the star constellation ‘Ophiuchus’ before entering Sagittarius from Scorpius – see chart below. thus The sign of Ophiuchus is patterned after the original ‘Serpent Holder’, Enki, a Sumerian god.

The signs of the Zodiac are for the most part, the highway, or path on which the Sun takes it’s yearly journey across the heavens – as it would appear to Earthlings. These signs are actually star constellations occupying space in which the Sun appears to travels in an earth year. The original twelve signs/constellations: Aries, Taurus, Gemini, Cancer, Leo, Virgo, Libra, Scorpio, Sagittarius, Capricorn, Aquarius, and Pisces are quite familiar to everyone, however, the thirteenth sign and constellation, [Ophiuchus], is in fact, not well known. To acknowledge a 13th sign now would seem awkward for astrologers, who like the tidiness of 12 signs that rule over the 12 houses of the Zodiac. The heavens are alive and they do change after a few thousand years and the astrologer who wants to maintain accuracy must change along with the signs in the heavens.

Ophiuchus 13th sign zodiac The constellation of Ophiuchus is the only sign of the Zodiac which is linked to a real man. This man lived in ancient Egypt around the 27th century BCE, and his name was Imhotep [again patterned after Enki]. Many of the same attributes of Imhotep can also be found in the Biblical Hebrew man Joseph, son of Jacob – [see comparison chart for these two men in separate article]. Imhotep is credited with many accomplishments including the knowledge and use of medicine. It is said of Imhotep that he brought the art of healing to mankind. The symbol of a serpent [or snake], which is still widely used today to represent the medical profession, was used to represent Imhotep. Imhotep was also known as ‘Aesclepius’ to the ancient Greeks, but by any name the attributes are still all the same. The attributes listed below describe the Serpent Holder, Imhotep, i.e. the Hebrew Joseph, and Aesclepius. The keyword descriptions seen below, originated with Betty Rhodes, and are the attributes for the 13th sign of the Zodiac – Ophiuchus:

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Ophiuchus is a decan of Scorpio, and definitely matters in astrology, but it is NOT the 13th sign. The signs of the zodiac have never been based on the constellations which with they share their names. They are based on the seasons, which follow a universal pattern of birth, death and regeneration. That pattern doesn't change. The ancients were perfectly aware of Ophiuchus, and did not include him for good reason.

David Salinas I'm not sure what specifically you are wanting sources on. The basics of how the tropical zodiac works? Ancient awareness of Ophiuchus? Ptolemy wrote about the decan constellations, including Ophiuchus, in the 2nd century. Anthony's link gives a good explanation of how the four elements and three modalities combine to create the 12 zodiac signs historically recognized by western astrologers. One source I would recommend for a comprehensive explanation of how astrology works as understood by the Hermeticists would be Santos Bonacci's "Prisca Theologia" lecture series on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL9oUspkyb4AWRyhsvrxfGKEqgD08gBppj You can also find the sources he references on the book list on his website: http://universaltruthschool.com/readlist.html

Emma Larnach Take a look at the link Anthony posted about the elements and modalities. This is the pattern that the tropical zodiac follows; it is based on geometry and light. The constellations merely served as a backdrop against which to measure the movements of our solar system. Ophiuchus belongs to the sign of Scorpio. This site lists the decans of all 12 signs if you're interested: http://gaiaastrology.com/decan-constellations/

Rachel Wicker Alright, then what element is Ophiuchus? What mode? Is he masculine or feminine? Obviously you use a sidereal system of astrology, which I am not as familiar with, and it is not clear to me how one deals with aspects and such when starting from the premise that there are 13 signs, as trines would no longer be in the same element, etc. Also, you claim in another comment below that western astrologers do not take precession into account, which is simply not true. Precession is explained perfectly when one takes into account the changing of mythological ages. The science of astro-theology has covered this extensively. Look into the work of Manly P. Hall, or check out the book "The Gospel and the Zodiac" by Bill Darlison.

I don't know the in's and out's of this in detail like you people, but I'm going to add input from a personal perspective. I'm a Gemini Sun/Virgo Moon and have had an obsession of Astrology recently. But after discovering this, too my surprise I'm a Taurus. And the more I think about it, the more it makes sense.

My thoughts on this right now is that the 13th sign has been taken out of history on purpose as it represents the "Serpent" the Spiritual sign and too also discredit astrology by moving the day's around. As I know so many people find there sign doesn't relate to them and current astrology confuses the people who are interested (Like me). Also, doesn't the serpent represents the Kundalini, which is the spiritual awakening? Too note my closest friend was a Sagittarius in modern astrology, but defiantly has displayed all the traits described in Ophiuchus. Completely unrelated but I saw a Snake/serpent in my Meditation around a week ago, Synchronicity lol?

I dunno, I'm just throwing this out there. Do you guy's think this is a possibility?

Sam Townson It is very possible, in the past there was a joke that I had with an ex girlfriend, that I was an Ophiuchttarius or something to that effect, either way, it was not stated, but it was like a combination of the two signs. This was definitely not something that was true, because I would be either one or the other, but according to this, I would be the new and with the former a Sagittarius. Now, if you know anything about the Twin Flames, then you know about the Divine Timing, which will also warrant that name you mentioned of, "synchronicity". Yes there are things happening in the heavenly realms and there is about to be multiple manifestations taking place. Thank you all for sharing so much of your wisdom, have an awesome weekend, enjoy the New Moon, send out positive energy now and I guarantee, your going to see something happen, even if it is something small.

Joseph OnaMission Colvin I've heard of Twin flame before but not of Divine timing. I will have to do some more research. I believe your right about the new moon, I've felt different since it began in a good way. Thanks for your insight, hope you have a good weekend too. :)

Thank you! As an astrologer myself, Stacey is correct. Here is my personal take on the matter.

Contrary to mainstream belief signs and constellations in astrology are NOT the same thing!!

Signs are essentially sectors of our solar system, divided up into 12 30 degree sections. You can think of signs as the invisible lines that divide States and Countries. Whereas constellations are the physical clusters of stars, the actual patterns that we see in the sky.

Originally, the twelve CONSTELLATIONS that share names with the zodiac SIGNS were found along the ecliptic path - or the apparent path of the Sun around the Earth (due to our vantage point here, it looks like the Sun moves around us, not the other way around). Once upon a time the CONSTELLATIONS and the SIGNS actually did match up appropriately, ex: The Sun was actually IN the sector of the sky that held the CONSTELLATION of Aries, hence ancient astrologers named that sector (or SIGN) Aries to represent that period of time.

However, due to the Percession of the Equinoxes, the Earth has wibbley wobblied itself into a new vantage point in our solar system, changing the path of the ecliptic and presenting us with a new CONSTELLATION among it! Based upon my understanding, that is where all this confusion about Ophiuchus suddenly becoming a SIGN is stemming from. All Ophiuchus is is a CONSTELLATION (or body of stars) that over time has worked its way onto our ecliptic path due to the wobbling tilt of Earth as she travels through space. This new CONSTELLATION in no way, shape or form changes what your Sun SIGN is.

Sam Townson Consider also the possibility that there could be other reasons you have Taurus traits. This is because the birth chart must be viewed holistically to be entirely accurate. When I first found out about Ophiuchus and the precession of the equinoxes years ago, I was just starting to get into astrology, and I got all kinds of confused because I'd always felt like both a Cancer (my sun sign) and a Gemini (what the chart above says my sun sign should be), and I didn't know what to believe. But then I started going in depth and studying my birth chart as a whole picture. Turns out I feel like a Gemini because I have four planets in Gemini, among other reasons. So in fact I am both a Cancer and a Gemini, as well as a Sagittarius and a Capricorn, and to some extent ALL of the twelve signs. And that's how it works. In reality everyone has all twelve signs in their chart; we just differ as to how and in what areas of our lives they manifest. Also worth noting is that the description of Ophiuchus above shares many of the traits of Sagittarius, which may be why your friend relates to that description.

Laurel Kassor, Exactly. I love the analogy of the invisible lines dividing countries. That is perfect! It's also worth pointing out that the precession of the equinoxes is its own 26,000 year cycle, that corresponds to which age we are in (e.g. iron age, bronze age, etc.). As the signs travel through the constellations, changes occur in our collective awareness, especially regarding our mythology. So for example, between roughly 4000 and 2000 BCE, when the spring equinox (0° Aries) occurred in the constellation of the Bull, we were in the age of Taurus, and if you look at the mythologies of the various civilizations around that time, the symbol of the bull was very prominent. The same holds true for each of the ages. This is where the idea of the Age of Aquarius comes from; that is the age we are currently moving into. So when skeptics bring up the precession of the equinoxes as a reason why astrology is "bunk", they haven't done their homework. It's a feature, not a bug, and it's one of the main reasons why we should never confuse the constellations with the signs.

Its as simple as this, the Gods reached perfection if earth isn't on that base of matter and virtue it would be just another piece of the snake he is destroying. But earth is proof once again that
justice reigns over vengeance. Then once again we are their children as well as well can be we remain human for failing to be since the beginning. Plus as said, the constellations of human and relative signs to energy and its proportion, have nothing to do with the godly tales of the heavens. Proving the importance's of humans and the distribution of Gods power amongst us.

Stacey Redd-Sadovsky I admire your struggle. But I would let it go, those who really want an answer will find one. There are too many flavors of Astrology to explain. These people need to check out Astrolosophy, Cosmic Weather, or the big fish Cosmic Intelligence-Agency. Here is another article that helps people distinguish sidereal from tropical and touches on the other types. FYI OPhiuchus/Serpentarius only has one foot between Scorpius and Sagittarius: teacher of heroes.
http://agent64.com/did-my-zodiac-sign-change/
Good Luck!

In 1995 the Astrological Society declared this the 13th sign because the moon, in its passage across the sky, crossed through this constellation instead of travelling from Scorpio to Sagitarius as it was supposed to. The book I have on the subject was printed in 2003 or 4. Sadly it is not at hand or I could cite the publisher and author.

One thing this doesn't take into consideration is that astrology was once based heavily on which sign the moon was in at the time of your birth, not the sun. Most people find that their moon sign matches their personality moreso than their sun sign.

100% I'm a Gemini/Virgo... And can only relate to my Virgo side. Until I found this article where I found out I'm Taurus. Now that explains why it use to take my mum hours to walk me to school when I was a child... Stubborn as hell lol. :P

Coming back to this comment, I've realized I'm a Leo Moon with an Ascendant in Virgo... From my experience lately I'd say Sidereal hit's the nail on the head, I've been playing around with this chart on http://www.astrology13.com/en/findyournewascendantm Pretty damn accurate in my opinion.

Actually, psychology can explain that. You subconsciously cherry pick the behaviours you are expecting to see in yourself or your associates/family, actively but subconsciously ignoring those behaviours that don't match. You also believe you are supposed to act in the way your perceived sign dictates, adjusting your behaviour to meet these self expectations.

Rachel Wicker You can say that if you like, but you can't explain certain characteristics particulars to a sign in a big number of people of that sign. Like how all scorpions I've met can keep a straight face even if they want to scream inside, or how all the sagittarious are the most active people I know. You don't have to believe if you don't want to, but I can assure you, I've never seen a capricornius wanting to be the center of attention in a group.

Eduardo Patiño You have inadvertently proved my point. You have never met someone who doesn't conform to their star sign. Yet 50%+ of the people on here are saying that they don't conform to theirs. So at least 50% of the time you are cherry picking behaviours that suit your expectation.
Secondly I already did explain why people conform to aspects of their star sign. I will explain it further for you. If you keep telling a child that they are naughty or insolent, that child will start to become more naughty or insolent because it begins to believe that is the truth, even though it is not.
I could mix up the traits of different star signs, give you a list of traits and say they relate to your star sign. You will find enough things in this random list that relate to you, for you to believe this to be true. Its a simple psychological trick, because your mind will dismiss the things that don't relate to you, almost as if you had never read them. Just as your mind will dismiss behaviour that you do not associate with that person because of your preconception (and theirs) of how you expect them to behave. Studies show an objective person with no preconceived idea will notice more behaviours that don't conform to any star sign. Its not just me saying it. It has been proven as fact.

Rachel Wicker There is more in-depth than the astrological/solar sign, Rachel. Although I understand your point (and that could apply perfectly to the example you gave), there are reasons as for why some people will not feel like their sign represent them. The Ascendant sign is one of those reasons. The lunar sign is another one. Of course you can't describe the whole being of a person by its solar sign only, even though that's their inner nature, those other aspects interfere with how they view themselves.
I can see that this conversation is leading to nowhere since our points of view differ, and I'm no Libra to enjoy discussions like this. I'm only discussing because it is nice to express this kind of knowledge that I couldn't talk about as much as I'd like, in other sites.

Rachel Wicker - sounds great, but I didn't know about astrology until my personality was fairly well on its way to being what it is now. Still pretty much matched - realize that it isn't a digital system, totally analog - overlapping tendencies tempered by learning, etc..

Susan Szabo By who's observation? Its very hard to grow up in todays society and not pick up on these expectations from other people. But lets imagine for a min that some one came out of the woods, having had no contact with other humans in order to pick up these traits… So they are totally oblivious to the existence of astrology. Then lets imagine another person (who is obviously into astrology to be looking at their traits) then they would likely see traits in that person which they deemed were connected with a star sign. This isn't because of any pre programming in the subject.. The pre programming was in the observer. The test was still not objective. If you found 2 people in the woods and got them to observe each other the test would be objective.
Its virtually impossible to grow up in todays society and never learn anything about star signs. I have people say to me all the time what star sign they think I am and why. They are always wrong too.

Rachel Wicker But you're not giving any credit to the subject. If by your logic, that person that came out of the woods started to learn about his/her sign and then identifies with it, would prove that there is more credit in astrology that some people gives it. For a personal experience, I got involve into this for the exact same reason. I saw many (and I mean many) coincidences regarding what I knew about me and what the astrology said about my sign. After that, I tried to apply it to my family, then my friends and finally complete strangers from my job.
That's when I realize this weren't coincidence at all. The feeling when someone unaware of this topic completely agrees with what I say of their sign is almost magical :)

Eduardo Patiño I can't give credit to certain parts of it no. When you are supposedly born under one constellation and exhibit those traits, but in reality you were born under another, those traits of the first one mean nothing, they are a lie, a falsehood. I cannot give a lie credit. If you check my other post, I do give credit where credit is due, but thats not to western astrology, its to eastern astrology. In India, they take the exact minute of your birth and see what was where in the sky at that exact moment. From that they get an extremely accurate and personal reading in comparison to the western readings which are very hit and miss.
Again we come to the psychology. When you are telling someone of all these wonderful traits they have according to their start sign, you are complimenting them. They are going to be extremely happy and agree that they are all of those wonderful things, probably disregarding the cursory bad trait thats usually thrown in there for good measure. If they were all bad traits and one good one, do you think people would be so happy to hear it or agree with it?? Of course they wouldn't. When you tell them they are energetic and creative, skilled with their hands, a great communicator etc. you are massaging the hell out of their ego with a bunch of ambiguous statements that could relate to anyone when applied to any number of areas of their life. If on the other hand, you told them they were short tempered or quick to jump to conclusions, two faced, self-centred or egotistical, they are going to slap you, even though these might be their exact traits.
Which brings me to those convenient negative traits. I had a friend in school, she was blunt and would sometimes say things that were quite rude and offensive. She would use being a Taurus as an excuse for this behaviour. I find many people use start signs as an excuse. And I find it just as surprising that others are willing to accept negative behaviour on the basis that its because of their star sign and so somehow not that persons fault. A star sign is never an excuse for negative and antisocial behaviour.

Rachel Wicker I believe you did not saw my post about the other factors of astrology, like the ascendent sign and lunar sign, which can only be obtain by the coordinates and universal time of your birth.
Now related to your anecdote. Yes it is possible that the planets may interfere in your negative traits, and I completely agree with you that using them as an excuse is idiotic, insead she should always look for the bright traits of her persona.
Finally, I find it rather harsh that you call the western astrology a lie, You blindly believe that because some people are stating that Ophiucus should be part of the astrological signs, thus changing the whole system. But the reality is that the astrology has been going on centuries. And as from personal experience (and now confirming it by many people's experiences) I can say that it's really difficult for there to be a flaw =)

Eduardo Patiño Its not just about the addition of a 13th or 14th sign as was also previously pointed out in years gone by. Its about the fact that sun signs have always been wrong. They have been wrong since their current configuration started over 2200 years ago. If the took into account precession they could have been right, and there is no reason they couldn't have done this to begin with. In ancient times there were 24 and more sun signs, how can these be disregarded and the newer system be taken as gospel? Its wrong and therefore its a lie. I don't mind if people want to believe the lie, I prefer truth always, even if it bursts my bubble or proves me wrong. You can't argue with truth, you either accept it or live in the lie. Thats down to personal choice.

Rachel Wicker You do realize that what you're saying is really close minded right? I mean, how can anyone know what is truth and what isn't? I believe in astrology because of my personal experience about the topic. You have your own beliefs, but you have no power nor divine wisdom to know what is a truth and what is a lie. No one can know that... Yet.

Eduardo Patiño Its not closed minded. I am a very open minded person. But some things are provable. One of them is that most people were not actually born under the constellation they were lead to believe they were born under. I don't need divine wisdom or superpowers to know what is truth and what isn't truth. I have explained to you why people exhibit the traits that you relate to a star sign. But your belief is set in this being the evidence that they are correct. Even though science has proven they are not. Is it really me who is being closed minded, or you? Because by your logic you are also being closed minded.

Rachel Wicker Now , don´t turn this around, It was you who said "I don't mind if people want to believe the lie, I prefer truth always, even if it bursts my bubble or proves me wrong. You can't argue with truth, you either accept it or live in the lie" You are claiming to have the definite universal truth, and I just told you no one does. If science were to prove that Astrology is a lie, then I'll gladly accept it. Until then, the possibility remains, and I choose to believe in that, not because I am close minded, but because I have research it a great part of my life and it has never let me down (You can bring your psychology card up if you want, that´s not going to change the perspective of what I have researched).
You can never be sure of anything, Rachel, but you can always believe ;)

I can vouch for Rachel. I believed I was a Gemini so I started acting like a Gemini believing that's what I was, and by acting like a Gemini that kind of behavior would make me happier or help find what I want in life. Something like that lol. Maybe this was just foolish and unique to me but in my case it ended up being a placebo. This is why we all should take what we know with a pinch of salt until we've narrowed down all the other possibilities. Otherwise we refuse to let go of what we've learned because we may have become comfortable with what we already know. Which can prevents us from keeping an open mind. None of us want what we believe to be right, proved wrong, especially if you've been believing it for a long time. Don't disregard this article, for those who are a different sign and think it doesn't match them. Check you chart out, you may also find that your Moon sign or Ascendant could have the sun sign you think you are in it, I hope you guy's understand what I'm trying to say.

wow, I need a like button; rare for me to see anyone logically argue for a pseudoscience. I agree with Rachel on the psych bit, however, I'd like to add that there have been many studies done with double-blinded participants. In these studies the observer is told to guess which sign the subject was born under based on which character traits they are representing. Only occasionally was the subject acting out specific traits representative of a different astrological sign, which means that for the majority, the subjects were being observed for their normal character. The observers correctly guessed who was born under which sign less than 50% of the time. This means that there is no definite link between the display of physical traits and the ability to detect a birth sign. Many people (myself included) take this to mean that there is no link between physical characteristics and the zodiac signs themselves. Such people generally often focus on the vague qualities of the traits as well. Scrolling through lists of traits associated with various signs one may often notice that ones character traits correspond with multiple signs. It is generally assumed by people like me that the reason these are so easily identified with is because they are made purposely vague so that any person who receives such a horoscope might identify with it. For example: I can personally identify with 14/20 of the character traits listed above for Ophiuchus, however my astrological sign is a Leo. reading through other lists of Leo, Cancer, Gemini, Aquarius, (and more) characteristics I've found that I usually identify with approximately 65-70% of the traits listed. I believe the fortune-telling/predictions included in such readings typically follow Rachel's explanation of looking for the true answers/predictions and ignoring the ones that do not occur.

Woah, according to this 13th sign, I'm an ophiuchus sign, kind of explains why I never related to sagittarius characteristics or anything >.> pretty kewl, now if only more people knew about the shift in the dates of the signs & acknowledged this form of astrology

Ophiuchus is not a sign to be used in Western Astrology!!! ...The signs used in the tropical zodiac (Western astrology) are NOT divided up based on constellations... They are based on the relationship between the Earth and the Sun. 3 signs per season, so 4 seasons has 12 signs. The cardinal signs are on the Solstices and Equinoxes and the initiate each season. Cardinal means 'first' and the first signs of each season are Aries, Cancer, Libra, Capricorn. This is followed by the middle signs which are called 'Fixed' (Taurus, Leo, Scorpio, Aquarius) and the last signs which are 'Mutable' (Gemini, Virgo, Sagittarius, Pisces). The person who declared Ophiuchus as a sign is an astronomer not an astrologer. You cannot divide the zodiac into 13 signs, it will not work and will throw off the mathematical symmetry. However, Ophiuchus and its stars can still be observed in astrology, not as a sign but instead as fixed stars. Also, I'd like to add that there are also many more constellations as well, which are also not to be used as signs in the Solar based tropical zodiac.

No, the reason you always felt more taurus then gemini is likely because you have a strong tauren influence in you chart, likely perhaps venus or mercury are in taurus in your chart, which would SIGNIFICANTLY slow down the Gemini crazy train whirlwind of thought and action. There is more to it than just your sun sign, you have a medoly of all the energies working inside you, dont be so quick to write yourself off as not being what you really are just because there are complex and intricate energies at play.

Do not agree with this at all as I am meant to be this sigh. I am a lot more like a Sagittarius with rising in Capricorn and mood in Pisces. (been to an astrologist a few times). Every time I read about Ophiochus It is nothing like me. Sorry. Nor is my dad a Leo or my sister a Capricorn as per this new change of dates.

Anjelia Rakic Bank .........There is so much more to who you are, (beyond) (western astrology)....I'm an astrologer/numerologist...and this is my take on you anjelica......You're a nurturer....(very artistic, fabulous (nuturing energy)..honesty is (most important) to you...you love freedom...a great sense of humor.........sometimes have a hard time, where sorrow is concerned..........(maybe you feel you're not able to express yourself as fully as you want to. If you allow your artistic abilities to nurture others..you will be more fulfilled...instead of jumping through the hoops you do.....which you feel noone appreciates!! (you are the artist who serves) You also need a certain amount of (space!!) You are very introspective and DEEP!! (when you don't get the space you need, you aren't as pleasant to be around) (keep digging) Peace love!

Bridgette Briggs other then artistic you described me pretty well. I worked in childcare and loved it as I love childcare but since my son died I can't seem my self working in childcare. Just too painful. But I still don't agree with this new 13 sign horoscope. And of cause we are a lot more then western horoscope. Sorry for the bluntness my Mars is in Sagi as well making my direct talk even worse.
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Anjelia Rakic Bank Angelica......you do have artistic qualities...they could be "hidden"...as most people with "6" energy never fully develop them, just for the simple fact that they are too busy doing for others to take time to express that space. As far as childcare.......you are the "eternal mother"..irregardless, of how you choose to express it....(the where doesn't matter)........You should "never" apologize for bluntness......just be you.......people can only take what you say wrong when they are "seeking to be offended"........ones who just love truth....can never be offended ;)..........all i see with the Ophiuchus sign is more "information"......we are in an information planet...continual streams of data, enlightening us more about how to love...that's it in a nutshell.......we start with knowing ourselves........acceptance...and learning who others are...........as we grow...we learn....accept and love all........for just being who they are...the authentic self is the most amazing thing, ever!! When we stop apologizing, and hiding who we really are....behind the constant masks of (approval)....the planet will zoom...........love to all who read!

Bridgette Briggs my confusion with this 13 signs is that it shifts do many people to different signs and they don't see themselves as that sign. How can anyone who has a lot of treats of a Virgo such as my dad all of a sudden be a leo. Or my mum who is a Cancer be a Gemini now. When they posses many taters of their original sun sign. it does not make scene.

Its because they haven't added the 13th month so they have 13 signs in 12 months. The gregorian calendar that we use now doesnt work very well thats why every 4 years we have a leap year whereas if the we had 13 months of 28 days we would not need this leap year.

The days of the month are incorrect, as are the days of the month for every one of the signs. This is because each year they are different, this is not taken into account in western astrology. They haven't been correct since their current configuration 2200+ years ago as they don't adjust for precession. But they do in eastern astrology. If you go look at a proper chart you can type in your birth year and it will tell you what constellation you were really born under. It probably isn't the one you have been led to believe your whole life. I was born under this one. Its the only one that actually fits my personality and attributes.
Funny how a few weeks before I first discovered this, I was so annoyed at the inaccuracy of my star sign/ rising sign etc. Just then I had a premonition that my real sign would be discovered soon when it was revealed the whole of astrology was wrong. Then I found out about this. Made me laugh. All those western astrologers hate this quite frankly, it shows them up and so they discount it instead of embracing it. Good luck to them, but I won't give them any credence until they take this and the changing zodiac dates into account. Go to an indian or chinese astrologer for your horoscope, those are way more accurate.
Look, even NASA recognises it…
http://spaceplace.nasa.gov/starfinder2/en/

They did not include it because it's only SEVENTEEN DAYS BUT THEY INCLUDE SCORPIO WHICH IS JUST SEVEN????!!!!.. NO they did not include it BECAUSE the HYBRIDS NOT HUMANS that rule this planet do not want to put peoples minds to the Serpent race! X

I'm not surprised. I believe most people feel like they are a different sign (or describes them better) and this would explain why. I wonder how my Chatt would be different with this 13th sign. Thanks for the article. Very interesting and now I feel like researching the topic ;)

The disciples count waa based off the zodiac. Just like most allegories. Abraham/ram/aries moses/Taurus/bull Jesus/fish/Pisces. Thev water bearer is next. Age of Aquarius. Mythological Jesus says go see him. Lol Astrology is all throughout the bible.

13 is a very powerful number. I sometimes wonder if the people who first gave the number 13 it's negative stigma were trying to keep it secret for themselves. It's said the most powerful shape you can form a crystal into besides a sphere is a hexagonal obelisk with one end flat and the other tapering to a point. This would make a crystal with 12 vertices around the outside and the 13th being where it tapers off to a point. This is the direction the energy of the crystal flows. I'd picture Jesus as that 13th point on the crystal...

Kattie ArrOw Uaf There are 12 signs surrounding the last sign. The last sign could be jesus/mohammed/buddha. Or us! Who carries the snakes? We. Why isn't it included now? Because the zodiac isn't in heaven, it is on earth, trying to defeat the snake again! The caduceaus, or the staff is a symbol for enlightenment, the two snakes being the kundalini vibrating through the chakras up the spine to the acorn/third eye at the top of the staff. Break the snake, recieve enlightenment and move on beyond the earth! Oh, and only sign relating to a real man! It becomes obvious when you put all the layers togheter:D

Absolutely Stacey. In western astrology we divide the great circle of the ecliptic into 12 sections of 30 degrees and the 1st degree of Aries is the position of the Sun on the day of the spring equinox. In millenia past the 1st point of Aries would have appeared in front of the constellation of Aries but from the 1960's and for the next 2,000 years the 1st point of Aries will slowly move across the constellation of Aquarius. The last decanate of Scorpio may be influenced by the affairs of Ophiuchus but it remains overall the energy of Scorpio. As I understand it, native American tradition used 13 signs of the zodiac but these followed the 13 phases of the Moon, not the pathway of the Sun.

This article is very misinformative. Does the author even know anything about astrology? It's not based on the literal position of the constellations...never has been. f you don't relate to your sign, that's because you have a whole chart, not because your sun was in the wrong sign or in Ophiuchus or whatever.. and I would take the interpretations of astrologers with a grain of salt anyway.

YOu are so right. and it is about the planets position not so much the star-zodiac themselves. I've heard of Scorpio being a healer, surgeon, 8th house occult, other peoples money, taxes. There is also Chiron who is a healer....I like www.astrodienst.com and eastern astrology is different...

Carol Saia Yeah, a lot of these 'Ophiuchus' traits are very similar to Scorpio traits to begin with. The symbology of the snake/serpent, the symbology of the phoenix etc. is all very similar to scorpio... theres actually an astrodienst article about this. Wait a second. Let me find it

Who knows about Cetus, the 14th Zodiac? Any information on that. Suppose to be the guard dog of hell, and I believe the sun passes through sometime between gemini and cancer. Know if I'm right or know more about it?

You must be thinking of Cerberus, the 3-headed dog with a serpent tail, and some other scary stuff on it, that guards the gates of Greek version of Hell. Just look it up, Google Cetus, wikipedia states it's not in the zodiac...It's a sea monster, not a guard dog. It's a constellation near the water constellations, Aquarius, Pisces, etc.

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