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Morning all. Ben Shapiro's speech from yesterday at CSULA is posted at Breitbart. Definitely worth a look and the Q and A afterwards also interesting and compelling.
Posted by: small town girl at February 26, 2016 06:56 AM (sUwfN)

amazing, as usual

he's a warrior, although the "Happy Warrior" may not work anymore

I'm halfway through it, so far.

I'm using the link someone gave me last night.

http://livestream.com/YAF/events/4870270

back to watching

worth a watch
grab some coffee and sit back

you are watching a fight against tyranny, live, in action, before your very eyes

kudos to Ben for standing up

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 26, 2016 07:37 AM (qCMvj)

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3 Third is the new first.
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks, proudly wearing the 'Andrew Branca Called You An Asshat' label at February 26, 2016 07:36 AM (PFy0L)

15California gas prices expected to jump overnight, possibly 30 cents by weekend Prices often climb in California this time of year because refineries switch from the winter blend of fuel to the more expensive state-mandated summer blend, which evaporates less quickly during warm weather.

But this year's switch to summer gasoline has triggered a jump of 52 cents a gallon on the gasoline wholesale market in Los Angeles this week, which will lead to the higher pump prices.

Donald Trump is in first place with 22 percent, while three candidates continue to duke it out for the runner up position. Marco Rubio is at 16 percent, John Kasich stands at 15 percent and Ted Cruz trails close behind at 12 percent.

CAC still MIA?

Posted by: mega machines at February 26, 2016 07:44 AM (fbovC)

29"Correction: The original version of this story included Evelyn Waugh, who was a man."

Super Genius Matt Yglesias beclowned himself yet again with that yesterday, too.

30
>>>>
One wonders if anyone from the Administration even talked to Sandoval before floating his name........Nope. They just saw his name among the potential SCOTUS candidates and realized he is a Republican and they ran with it to make a political point. At least McConnell didn't fall for the bait.

Trollin, trollin, trollin, Rawhide!

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at February 26, 2016 07:45 AM (iONHu)

31A fully vegan deli, The Butcher's Son, opened this week in Berkley CA. Just what is sold at a vegan deli, you might ask?

"Meat" -- plant-based, of course. Made from seitan, the shop currently offers pineapple teriyaki cracked pepper turkey, roast beef, and yuba pulled pork by the pound. Sandwiches include a vegan steak and cheese with 100% vegan napkins...

http://tinyurl.com/hg55ppo

www.facebook.com/vegandelicatessen

Dare you to scroll down on the facebook page to the picture of the "roast beef".

"The cribs are arranged in a large room in 2 ranks. Each goat which comes to feed enters bleating and goes to hunt the infant which has been given it, pushes back the covering with its horns and straddles the crib to give such to the infant."

Three simple questions for Daren Jonescu who asks Trump supporters three simple questions

1) Why do you presume that people who do not attack Trump are naive 11 year old boys who are easily fooled?

2)Who are these 'key players in the establishment'?
there are thousands of politicians all clammering for face time in front of the TV. Which ones are the key players that Trump should be criticising, and how do you expect Trump to criticise them all?

3)Have you been screened for mental illness like paranoia? Believing that everyone is out to get you, that there is a grand conspiracy is generally a clue.

51
So the BLM thugs disapprove of the Constitution now..."white supremacy" document that it is. And isn't it interesting that the BLM thugs have met with the Preezy on multiple occasions. The same Preezy who, himself, disdains the Constitution. One might conclude he had a bit part in this latest action.

Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at February 26, 2016 07:51 AM (pVkEV)

52So in other words, he's just completely delusional? There's no path to victory for him.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at February 26, 2016 07:49 AM (J+mig)

I will say no more delusional than anyone else who is not currently winning.

Posted by: blaster at February 26, 2016 07:51 AM (2Ocf1)

53
Oh, not just Cal, Chicago does the seasonal blend, too.
Only the 6 counties, though .... if you miss the road sign for the county line the abrupt shift of gas prices will let you know.

Wanted Palestinian terrorist killed in Bulgaria
Omar Nayef Zayed, convicted of the murder of yeshiva student Eliyahu Amadi in 1986, was able to escape prison and flee to Bulgaria; he arrived gravely wounded to the Palestinian embassy in Sofia, where he died.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 26, 2016 07:52 AM (mw8Dm)

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38 I don't think Rubio is planning to be a spoiler, I think he is trying to win. That is not treachery.

Posted by: blaster at February 26, 2016 07:48 AM (2Ocf1)

He has no shot. He's hoping for a muddled mess at the convention where no one gets the magic 270 electoral votes and that he gets anointed by the Chamber of Cronies.

63"We believe the Treasury Department can challenge the theft of taxpayer dollars that Pfizer is counting on under this deal,"said Frank Clemente, executive director of the group.

That's how the left looks at the legitimate profits a company makes and keeps: it's a "theft of taxpayer dollars".

Well, fuck you too Democrat/Socialists. Sooner or later you always run out of other peoples money (thank you Maggie Thatcher!) and that day burns. It burns, and that hurt Clemente is talking about is the burning feeling getting started.

68He has no shot. He's hoping for a muddled mess at the convention where no one gets the magic 270 electoral votes and that he gets anointed by the Chamber of Cronies.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 26, 2016 07:52 AM (zLP1L)

Who does have a shot then? Looking at it now, only Trump does by that measure. Should everyone else just get out of the race right now and let him have it?

If you believe in your own candidacy, you believe you can win. Maybe he can have a great debate performance and damage Trump (this is what ace reported happened last night. I didn't watch, I don't know.) But you have to think Rubio - and Cruz - were both hoping for that outcome.

Posted by: blaster at February 26, 2016 07:57 AM (2Ocf1)

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64 Ted looked like he was campaigning for Supreme Court last night.

This would be optimal.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 26, 2016 07:56 AM (659DL)

He has to get confirmed, let alone appointed. If you think Bork and Thomas had it rough, multiply that by a million.

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The 64K question is will we get and EMT or not today? It is frustrating
to spend 3 to 3.5 hours putting together news links and then have to
post them on the ONT where they get lost. The have them willowed an hour
later when someone posts at 08:30.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at February 26, 2016 06:30 AM (t2KH5) Will have to wait until next week to see if Andy is
back. He must have gone on vacation or be on a buisness trip somewhere.
If this continues I may have to just DC the daily news links. My guess
is that less than half the Morons here actually read them anyway. In
fact, my guess is at least 25% of the audience here don't read any
comments, they just post and move on. When I can't keep up with the
comments on some of these threads as fast as I read there have to be a
LOT of people who do nothing but post.

Inversions have sped up in the past few years. Burger King did the same, and is now headquartered in Canada. Anyone with any brains or sense is getting out. When you're on a ship and the rats are scampering for the hatches, it's not a good sign.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at February 26, 2016 07:59 AM (J+mig)

I think your speaking to psychology and not necessarily reality on the ground. Rubio is hoping no one gets the magic 270 and that the conventioneers steal it for him, regardless of which candidate has the most delegates at the time.

Aw, hell, LDC. This has been going on for at least 20 years that I know of. I was in CA in the mid '90s the first time this happened (the switch to the "state mandated" summer blend of gas). When I arrived (on a business trip), got a rental car and gassed up, price was about 97 cents a gallon. (Like I said, this was 20 years ago.)

Week later, it's time to (thank God) go home, and I gas up again. The price had jumped to over $1.50 a gallon. Now, having been there, I had heard in the local media that this was coming and why. Yet by the time I got home the ripples of fear and outrage were spreading all over the country. "Oh, we are running out of oil. Look at the price jump in California", etc, etc. BJ Clinton even went so far as to release some oil from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve to ameliorate the "problem". (Turns out Clinton gave it all to some well-heeled political crony of his in Harlem, who promptly sold it all on the spot market, laughing all the way to the bank.).

It was all just another example of how we no longer have (if we ever did) a genuine news media. Never once was that state mandate being the cause of the big price jump for gasoline in California ever mentioned. A classic "manufactured crisis" for the plebs, nothing more...

If that happens, we need to organize a Vote Libertarian campaign or something. Just because they pull chicanery doesn't mean we have to vote for it. It'll be the end of the Republican Party as anything but a permanent minority party.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at February 26, 2016 08:03 AM (J+mig)

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>>"Correction: The original version of this story included Evelyn Waugh, who was a man."

Ah, that explains the tweet from Matty Ygleisiawhatevs yesterday (saw on Insty, didn't bother reading further) - something about he just learned that Evelyn Waugh was a woman. Thought he couldn't possibly be that stupid, that he was just attention-tweeting.

Forgot the rules of Idiocracy: Elites are too dumb to even know when they're showing you how very dumb they are.

Posted by: Lizzy at February 26, 2016 08:09 AM (NOIQH)

95Imagine the anger level against the GOP if they confirm an Obama SC nominee.

Posted by: steevy at February 26, 2016 08:05 AM

Depends. Are you talking about the "anger level" in the Real World, or among the relative handful of people who are paying attention?

Posted by: MrScribbler at February 26, 2016 08:09 AM (D+xyy)

96
Loretta Lynch, get in line! I'm the next chief justice to the supreme court.

Posted by: Lew Alcindor at February 26, 2016 08:10 AM (UzPAd)

97Note to Matt Ygluteus - Evelyn (long E), Hilary and Adrian are male names as well as female.

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Relaxing music with time lapse photography. Even a portion of a longer video is nice:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/he9rkr3:

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 26, 2016 08:13 AM (w4NZ8)

109
Pssst, TIME! Did anyone tell you that George Sand is a woman? For realz...

Posted by: Lizzy at February 26, 2016 08:14 AM (NOIQH)

110Should someone let Time Magazine know that Leslie Nielson was a man?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 26, 2016 08:14 AM (45oDG)

111"Correction: The original version of this story included Evelyn Waugh, who was a man."

#facepalm

Was Joyce Kilmer on the list too?

Pfff.

Posted by: Andre Norton at February 26, 2016 08:14 AM (oVJmc)

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Rubio's exactly the kind of little shit that would be satisfied getting the nomination by parliamentarianism.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 26, 2016 08:13 AM (oVJmc)

He's an megalomaniac without any sense of responsibility to those who put him into power. In my opinion, he's almost as dangerous as the unindicted felon and Captain Venezuela.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at February 26, 2016 08:14 AM (J+mig)

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BJ Clinton even went so far as to release some oil from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve to ameliorate the "problem". (Turns out Clinton gave it all to some well-heeled political crony of his in Harlem, who promptly sold it all on the spot market, laughing all the way to the bank.). "

It was worse than that - the Clintoons "sold" it for "royalties in kind" - trading royalties on Fed holdings for cash.

It's called "laundering", BTW.

The other side of the coin is that you and I paid nearly 100/bbl for something worth 30/bbl today, plus storage costs.

Posted by: anon a mouse - now with more puppy! at February 26, 2016 08:15 AM (C9pBZ)

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Kerry's remark, "they're not supposed to be doing that," should be a recurring meme - applied to everything the Obministration does, to start with. And lots more.

Secretary of State makes bizarre big-time failure deals. He's not supposed to be doing that...!

Morning, glorious offspring of the Ultimate Source. When I got up and walked outside, the sun sat just on the horizon, a giant orange-red sphere. Chilly morning, but clear and beautiful. I'll take it.

115The other side of the coin is that you and I paid nearly 100/bbl for something worth 30/bbl today, plus storage costs.

Pffft...the armed forces are paying $18 a gallon for "green" fuel. Of course, some of it goes into ships that self-corrode and clunky next generation fighters that would lose a dogfight to my Ford Explorer, so we have that going for us.

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BLM confronts Hillary. I wish some major politician, even Hillary, would have the guts to tell BLM to stuff it. Check out the official BLM website. It's Marxism straight-up. I don't know about the BLM rank-and-file, but their organizers and leaders are plain old crackpot lefty anarchists. I would pay $100 to watch Trump deal with those loudmouths.

Posted by: gp at February 26, 2016 08:17 AM (+Jpqc)

118
I exoect the absolute worst now from the politicians.Not going to let it drive me nuts anymore.I'm not going to be an LiV,it's not my personality,but I don't care as much anymore.I have embraced the suck.

Posted by: steevy at February 26, 2016 08:18 AM (B48dK)

119
Kilmeade is arguing Middle East policy with Geraldo on FandF. Dumb and Dumberer.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at February 26, 2016 08:18 AM (EZebt)

120
Elites are too dumb to even know when they're showing you how very dumb they are."

Thus Insty's crusade about "Credentialed" rather than "educated".

In my years around the DC area I could count on a few fingers the number of "highly educated" folks who actually were. It should be embarrassing, but it's not.

Posted by: anon a mouse - now with more puppy! at February 26, 2016 08:18 AM (C9pBZ)

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Pffft...the armed forces are paying $18 a gallon
for "green" fuel. Of course, some of it goes into ships that
self-corrode and clunky next generation fighters that would lose a
dogfight to my Ford Explorer, so we have that going for us.

That is fabulous. It means they won't stay bought. The DNC met w/them a few months ago to work out a deal where they would stop crashing Dem events, and the deals seemed to have stuck for a while. Or maybe it's just that they've chosen Bernie.....they did crash some his events early on - have they done this recently?

Posted by: Lizzy at February 26, 2016 08:21 AM (NOIQH)

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Matt Whatshisname and names and gender confusion, I'm not getting it. Of course, I suffer the same problem with names so I wouldn't get it.

Since the invention of the Internet, I've long suspected that public names are made up names and not birth names anyway, even as new birth names are uniquely spelled because that's the style.

So there is some insult because an ambiguous name causes confusion? There is some insult because someone presumes they are celebrities when no one has ever heard of them? (Don't you know who I am? Well, no, actually I've never heard of you.) Feel the Bern.

Posted by: Basic Argyle at February 26, 2016 08:21 AM (+XvV5)

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116 It seems to me that both Cruz and Rubio have the same shot at the nomination, which is about 10% each. Trump has an 80% chance.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at February 26, 2016 08:17 AM (LXJ1e)

Cruz is a evangelical Christian. (Southern Baptist) How many of them sit on the Supreme Court?
Zero. There is no place at that table for them. (our D.C. betters have made that clear)
So Mr. Sefton is absolutely right. Never happen, sadly.

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But wait, there's more: Evelyn Waugh wasn't just a man, he was a gay man, one (one might say) of the gayest, and close to 40 years ago when such things first became more relevant that anything else, he was put forth as one of the Great Gay Heroes. And now they don't know what gay he even was?

For the Kulcherl Left not to even know his "gender identification" shows, well, something, I don't even know what the hell ever it shows. But it ain't good.

His given first name was Arthur. Evelyn was one of several middle names, like all upper crust toffs. There's a Sinjin (St. John) in there too, should he have needed to chum up with Kim Philby's father, who even Lawrence of You-Know-Where said was a most immoral man, in Mr Kipling's phrase. So had Waugh wanted to avoid all the gender confusion in his gadabout travels he certainly easily could have done. He kind of liked it, like he kind of liked a lot of things NTTAWWT.

Read an interesting story about him, Hogan, and a .38 special in the locker room once. No idea a if it's true ... but I imagine Harley Race was not a fellow to mess around with.

Posted by: Irony at February 26, 2016 08:27 AM (BHaRb)

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I wasn't feeling very well last night and intended to get on with the morons as I watched the debate but ended up just watching the debate/cage match. Trump looked awful especially on the Israel Palestinian question. Thought Rubio and Cruz did well, Kasich was his annoying self and Carson was.. well Carson.

I thought that was what the gummint was doing.....Theft of Taxpayer money is the new Liberal thing. Every week the Lexington KY newspaper does some editorial about all of the tax breaks the State gives to Companies and how that is letting them "steal" money that rightfully belongs to the taxpayers.

Of course they just started doing this because we have a Republican Governor now, they didn't touch it for the last 25+ years because everything was run by Democrats.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at February 26, 2016 08:27 AM (iONHu)

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Can a Moron put some knowledge to me concerning the actual production and refinement cost difference between the three? "

Sure. How much time you got?

The real tale of retail gas prices is one of collusion between refiners and our friends in DC.

You see, there are incredibly strict rules on refiners (the current line is that it's easier to get a new nuke plant approved than a refinery). Existing refiners like it, though, as it keeps newcomers or competitors from rocking the proverbial boat.

Actual effort for the different octane levels? I today's market I'd guess about a few cents/gal. That's why several sellers dump an additional additive pack into higher octanes - to "justify" the price.

Posted by: anon a mouse - now with more puppy! at February 26, 2016 08:28 AM (C9pBZ)

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Or can I even say Rubio and Cruz did well? The tone around here lately makes me wonder if I might be better off somewhere else for awhile.

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So there is some insult because an ambiguous name causes confusion? There is some insult because someone presumes they are celebrities when no one has ever heard of them? (Don't you know who I am? Well, no, actually I've never heard of you.) Feel the Bern.
Posted by: Basic Argyle at February 26, 2016 08:21 AM (+XvV5)

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Nope, it's not that. MattY and his ilk are always writing articles to edumacate us low-brow rabble (that's the whole premise of the site Vox) so it's fun to mock them when their appalling ignorance of the subjects they claim to be such experts on shows through.

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88 Imagine the anger level against the GOP if they confirm an Obama SC nominee.
------------------------------------------

I think the GOPe finally realizes this, since Grassley refused to even meet with Obama to talk about a nomination.

Dr. Krauthammer went off on the Senate GOP the other night, saying "even talking to the Democrats should be off the table, because even starting to talk means it's all over and Obama wins".

That's not a direct quote, because its from memory, but its is really close. He was emphatic, and he got even more emphatic when responding to the panel lefty predictably (and contemptibly) claiming "won't the country expect the GOP to at least talk?".

Heritage on the illegal Net Neutrality regulations. On an interesting
note you see Obama's direct fingerprints on this rule that wants to turn
Internet service providers into public utilities fully regulated by the
Washington government.

Compare Iran-Contra to the general lawlessness of the current administration. Now we have an administration where the major lieutenants are using the IRS as a political weapon, lying to congress, ignoring court orders, giving weapons to Mexican drug dealers which they use to shoot and kill border patrol agents and al infinitem. The list of felonies and lawbreaking is so large it would take too long to list them.

Attorney General Loretta Lynch reiterated, while testifying before a
House panel Wednesday, that it is against the law for President Obama to
transfer detainees from the Guantanamo Bay prison to U.S. soil.

So does that make his plans to bring them here a conspiracy? He will do it anyway and congress will do nothing.

http://tinyurl.com/z7zjn6q

Yes, he will do it -- maybe he'll wait until January for maximum chaos, just like BJ Clinton's pardon-a-palooza.

Rubio at least has a fantasy football scenario for stopping a first ballot Trump nomination, and being close enough to him to eel over in some elaborate convention GOPe parliamentary maneuver. A couple of sigmas out there, but it is theoretically possible.

Cruz gets mathematically eliminated from contention next Tuesday. It just is.

I see him dumping them here in the US, maybe in CO's supermax prison where other terrorists are kept, and then jetting off to Hawaii. Or maybe he'll just bring them to a military base and abandon them in transit - leave the mess for the incoming president.

Posted by: Lizzy at February 26, 2016 08:43 AM (NOIQH)

187
"And if you think, fuck NYC they deserve it, look at
your own school districts in the more rural parts of the country and
prepare yourselves.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 26, 2016 07:43 AM (zLP1L)"

Teachers pass through colleges where many of them are radicalized. Most of the colleges they go through are state schools and so under the budgetary control of the legislature. States with Republican legislatures need to come up with a shit list of leftists to be fired if state schools want to avoid cuts in their budgets for next year. There is an enormous oversupply of people with advanced degrees who can fill the positions vacated by the leftists who go away.

This should have been done several decades ago but we should start doing it now.

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I said it before, I will gladly trade both the Guantanamo detainees and even the base back to Cuba in exchange for a federal maximum security facility to house them...on Martha's Vineyard. Fully powered by an offshore wind farm.

Corrupt AG Eric Holder used a fake name for his email address to avoid FOI requests. Will Obama be "rebuked"?

http://tinyurl.com/hg8yt68

So that Lisa Jackson (EPS), Kathleen Sebeliues (HHS), Hillary --- who else has been caught?

There will be no records from Obama's 8 years in office. All will be lost (oopsie! erased the backup drives they were archived on!) or never really existed (because *everyone* was using an anonymous email account).

Africa rebelled against the white colonials. It's their country now. None of our business.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This x 1billion!

Posted by: rickb223 at February 26, 2016 08:47 AM (wKcYr)

193
After all, the idea that Millennials are lazy is pretty well debunked by the fact that American workers today work not just more hours per week than almost any other country, but more than Americans have ever worked.
----

My take: The problem with a brokered
convention is this... All manner of levers will be pulled to prevent
Trump, no? Trump will likely have garnered a LOT of delegates, but not
enough right?

So despite this , he'll surely be denied the
nomination because that's the whole point, right? But those that he
has attracted will be furious and I cannot imagine the fit that Trump will throw if he gets waved aside by Rubio and the GOPe.

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I said it before, I will gladly trade both the Guantanamo detainees and even the base back to Cuba in exchange for a federal maximum security facility to house them...on Martha's Vineyard. Fully powered by an offshore wind farm.

In Hawaii. Let Barky's SS detail worry about them.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 26, 2016 08:49 AM (wKcYr)

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So is there a moron consensus on the 'debate' last night? Watched just enough to confirm my opinion that we're f'n doomed.

I REALLY want to punch Mario Fagio in the face.

Posted by: Weasel at February 26, 2016 08:49 AM (6xtq3)

200Cruz gets mathematically eliminated from contention next Tuesday. It just is.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 26, 2016 08:43 AM

The weeping, wailing and wringing of hands will be epic.

Cruz is a smart boy. If he stays in the Senate for, say, the next eight years and cleans up his act -- by showing up for crucial votes and not getting bamboozled by senile old gits like teh Bitch -- he might be worth considering for the presidency.

Right now, he's like a pitcher who has one helluva curve ball but can't quite get one straight over the center of the plate.

Posted by: MrScribbler at February 26, 2016 08:50 AM (D+xyy)

201
Here's a little read from Popular Mechanics if you are interested"

That is sadly infested with horse s...

"winter gas is cheaper and not as pure" W... T... F??

"More VOCs equal more smog" WFT part two...

"Grades" are octane ratings, not RVP. RVP is an issue for cold weather operation vs. vapor lock and similar.

The Gell Mann amnesia effect is strong there.

Posted by: anon a mouse - now with more puppy! at February 26, 2016 08:50 AM (C9pBZ)

202
Sure, washing a bowl seems pretty simple in theory, but when you've just worked almost 10 hours straight, plus a commute, you probably just want to crash. So the idea of getting up off the couch to wash out a bowl just seems, well, inconvenient. After all, cereal is supposed to be easy, simple, uncomplicated. So why does it require this extra effort when instead you could have just had a few protein bars?
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This just reaffirms the fact that if it ever gets hot we're gonna kick the ever-living shit out of the pajama wearing special snowflakes.

Someone
mentioned a documentary on Beslan last night. Boko Haram has been
repeating Beslan on a regular basis - burning Christian schools,
chopping up or kidnapping the students. Yet....crickets.

Posted by: Lizzy at February 26, 2016 08:40 AM (NOIQH)"

Yes, but those are dark skinned people in foreign countries. Our moral superiors in the elite classes don't care about them. Despite their virtue signalling, the elite are profoundly racist. The pressure brought against vulnerable third world countries to ban DDT even after the studies cited by Rachel Carson were discredited and proved to be fatally flawed should have taught you that.

The Ruling Class don't care if Muslims kill you, a fellow American. Why the hell would you think they would give a shit if Muslims kill dark skinned foreigners.

209
Remember those little cereal boxes you could open and just pour the milk in and eat right out of the box? Problem solved.

Posted by: freaked at February 26, 2016 08:52 AM (KvWlw)

210Sure, washing a bowl seems pretty simple in theory, but when you've just worked almost 10 hours straight, plus a commute, you probably just want to crash. So the idea of getting up off the couch to wash out a bowl just seems, well, inconvenient. After all, cereal is supposed to be easy, simple, uncomplicated. So why does it require this extra effort when instead you could have just had a few protein bars?

Because they're Marxists. BLM has merged w/Palestinian activists, CAIR, and Soros' Center for American Progress. Because they all want to bring America down.

Posted by: Lizzy at February 26, 2016 08:53 AM (NOIQH)

213
I think the fake email crap goes all the way to the top... if only they'd look. There is no way everyone thought this was a great idea to hide their agendas from FOIA's and somehow the Whitehouse didn't get some.

This entire administration seems to have colluded to commit willful acts to conceal and obscure actions from Congress and the people. A conspiracy. RICO. And they're all going to get away with it.

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In 2008 and 2012, we just wanted a candidate who fights. Who wouldnt whither and crumble in the face of relentless attacks from the D's and the media (BIRM). Who wouldn't be "nice" and all.... "my friendsh, we have nothing to fear with my opponent.....".

Of the remaining candidates, who is that going to be?

Which Rubio do you supposed we would we see on stage against The Hag? The one from last night or the one from the first 3,000 debates?

Posted by: Mega at February 26, 2016 08:54 AM (hHFOx)

220
I would stick pencils in my eyes before I would vote for Rubio. Betwixt Trump and Cruz, I'm for whichever gives the left and the GOP, to the extent there's a measurable difference, the most heartburn.

224
Sure, washing a bowl seems pretty simple in theory, but when you've just worked almost 10 hours straight, plus a commute, you probably just want to crash. So the idea of getting up off the couch to wash out a bowl just seems, well, inconvenient. After all, cereal is supposed to be easy, simple, uncomplicated. So why does it require this extra effort when instead you could have just had a few protein bars?

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>>I think the fake email crap goes all the way to the top... if only they'd look.

Long suspected that this is what has kept Hillary from being prosecuted (so far). How could she not have email exchanges w/WH people on her server? For all we know all of her contact was with Valerie, using some private account, and it would show who was running the show.

Really? And here I was listening to Rush yesterday (I only listen to Rush when there's nothing better to do while driving) talking about how Rube & Trump were not going after each other so Rube could end up in the VP slot. But now Rube is messing that up? Or is it all a game by those sly dogs?

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Vicente Fox is not Presidente no more. Hard to figure him; he's kind of a Mexican Trump. First off, his real name is Fuchs, and you all know Fuchs was a spy. Then, he's one-quarter Ohioan, and you should never trust one of those. And he went to Harvard, and worked for Coca-Cola (probably scoring that cocaine they're pumped full of!), so why isn't he running for President here? He's as American as...we'll pass that.

He's a Roman Catholic. So you know who he's really for. Probably hunted with Scalia in one of those secret Catholic hunting cabals.

245Sure, washing a bowl seems pretty simple in theory, but when you've just worked almost 10 hours straight, plus a commute, you probably just want to crash. So the idea of getting up off the couch to wash out a bowl just seems, well, inconvenient. After all, cereal is supposed to be easy, simple, uncomplicated. So why does it require this extra effort when instead you could have just had a few protein bars?

Waaaaaaaah.
Posted by: An 1840s 20-something

Well, yeah, it's easy when you don't care about washing the bowl. Or getting Cholera.

Posted by: AD at February 26, 2016 09:04 AM (Pqhmy)

246
209 Remember those little cereal boxes you could open and just pour the milk in and eat right out of the box? Problem solved.
_________________________

Yeah, when I was a kid and my siblings and I visited my granny, she'd always buy a big variety pack of those little cereal boxes, because she didn't like doing all the dishes (no dishwasher), and we could eat the cereal right out of the boxes. Of course, she (or we) still had to wash the spoons . . . .

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at February 26, 2016 09:04 AM (df5V4)

247When I was a tyke and working in a law firm I
overheard a young girl lawyer talking on the phone. "How do you know I
don't have breasts like ripe Bombay mangos?".
So the word mango always takes me right back there.

257
Yeah, when I was a kid and my siblings and I visited my granny, she'd always buy a big variety pack of those little cereal boxes, because she didn't like doing all the dishes (no dishwasher), and we could eat the cereal right out of the boxes.

hear of the fascist tactic happening right here before our eyes and virtually no news reporting it

they had to go in through the back, bringing the kids/audience in in 3's, they try to shut it down by pulling the alarm, Ben continues talking through the noise for a long time, and then he has to check with security to see if they can all get out safely, and you overhear someone saying they can't guarantee their safety...

261
Am I the only one that remembers the little boxes of cereal that was perforated to become its own bowl? You just cut open it open and poured milk into the box.
I loved those things. Of course, even as a kid, I could go through 1/2 dozen in a morning.

Posted by: chi at February 26, 2016 09:10 AM (eh0Xu)

262
I just looked up Bombay mango images. They would, indeed, make for a fine breast.

Sure, they're no honeydew melon, but perfectly fine nevertheless.

Posted by: Irony at February 26, 2016 09:11 AM (BHaRb)

263
If you're National Review, you're more upset when Nusra-supporting Islamists get a taste of what Nigerian Christians are getting.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at February 26, 2016 09:12 AM (T0BQy)

264
Yes, it sure looks like somebody has "had a few protein bars for breakfast."If that's what they're calling it now.

Almost all breakfast cereals were instituted by kooks, like Kellogg and Graham. And since then, diet kooks of other stripes have knocked them for their kookiness, for over a century now. They probably weren't a good idea, except in comparison to other things that were taken as breakfast. Exception, I think, for shredded wheat, which was prescribed for "chronic dyspepsia," quite a problem at one time. My junior high gym teacher, one of the more intellectual teachers in that school actually, likened it to eating straw.

Certainly for the active modern lifestyle everyone likes to posture as having, the traditional English breakfast would be best. Eggs, meat, fish, all with nuaghty nicknames, and then get to hunting and riding. Which nobody does. Ford Madox Ford said that the English upper class died out (this was before WWI) by keeping its outdoor diet after it had gone to an indoor way of life. A century ago.

266
A lot is being made (by a few) about Trump being neutral between Israel and Palestine. But as I read it, our official position has long been that we are neutral.

Trump even said, "that being said, I'm very pro Israel".

"While insisting that President Barack Obama has "treated Israel horribly," Trump defended his own bona fides. "I was the grand marshall down Fifth Avenue a number of years ago for the Israeli Day Parade, I have very close ties to Israel. I've received the Tree of Life Award and many of the greatest awards given by Israel," Trump boasted."

This seems to be nothing but bluster from Rubio.

Posted by: Illiniwek at February 26, 2016 09:12 AM (eUbDe)

267My junior high gym teacher, one of the more intellectual teachers in that school actually, likened it to eating straw.

268
Damn, I almost didn't make it in this morning. About 30 whites attacked me on the way to work. They set my hair on fire, beat mercilessly (I believe I am bleeding internally, I'll get back to you on that), and called me vile racist names.

"Where you going cracker?"

"Ain't no honkeys wanted around here."

"White devils gonna bleed."

I was terrified! My racist white boss though doesn't seem to believe me...

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262 I just looked up Bombay mango images. They would, indeed, make for a fine breast.

Sure, they're no honeydew melon, but perfectly fine nevertheless.

Seriously, the education you can get here at the HQ. I had to look it up. I had no idea mangoes were from India. I thought they were a Mexico/Caribbean tropical fruit.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 26, 2016 09:13 AM (wKcYr)

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>>I loved those things. Of course, even as a kid, I could go through 1/2 dozen in a morning.

They still make the tiny boxes, but they're no longer perforated, Been replaced by cups of cereal (like a cup o' noodles) sold individually.

Posted by: Lizzy at February 26, 2016 09:14 AM (NOIQH)

272
"a young girl lawyer talking on the phone. "How do you know I don't have breasts like ripe Bombay mangos?". "

because you went to some tight ass prep school in Connecticut, squeaking out sweet A's from your neurotic teachers, lining up lines on your resume like my boy Chico lines up coke, and you had your first kiss because it was expected, and even though it tasted like lager, it was from the boy with the best address, and every night, when you think about the college boy electrician who wired the Klipsch speakers in your daddy's garage, you did the right thing by taking the LSATs instead of slipping him your phone number for a little downmarket action on the side, that's why

I know some girl lawyers, and they got where they are by being "disciplined" in the extreme

Posted by: Feh at February 26, 2016 09:18 AM (QFRx/)

287
RIP Paul Murphy.
One of the 317 survivors of the USS Indianapolis in WWII.
I bought a pickup from him back in 2004, but he wouldn't sell it to me unless I also gave him a Swift Boat Veteran "Sink Kerry Swiftly" bumper sticker.

Good man.
Also one of the authors of this book: http://tinyurl.com/zndj3zn

289
John Kerry almost became president.
Posted by: Fritz at February 26, 2016 09:18 AM (UzPAd)

Yup...but chew on this. IF kerry had been President would we have had to suffer thru Fredo?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 26, 2016 09:20 AM (mw8Dm)

290it conjures up the visual, the sweet smell, the sweet taste, the size, and the idea that these are indeed rare items.

It was quite an evocative phrase, which is why it has stuck with me for 30 years.

As opposed to, say, what I've done this week. Which I don't remember.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 26, 2016 09:20 AM (1xUj/)

291
There was a Kelloggs plant in the Detroit suburbs when I was a kid. We would go on the tour occasionally. Always looked forward to those special days.

I guess it was like the Anheuser Busch plant tours for kids. But instead of free beer, we got free cereal.

Posted by: chi at February 26, 2016 09:20 AM (eh0Xu)

292
RIP Paul Murphy.
One of the 317 survivors of the USS Indianapolis in WWII.
I bought a pickup from him back in 2004, but he wouldn't sell it to me unless I also gave him a Swift Boat Veteran "Sink Kerry Swiftly" bumper sticker.

Good man.
Also one of the authors of this book: http://tinyurl.com/zndj3zn
Posted by: jwb7605 at February 26, 2016 09:19 AM (DofIg)

296
Trump DID say back in 2011 that we should go in to Libya for humanitarian reasons, and get Ghadaffi out. Cruz said that and Trump denied taking a position.

"But we have go in to save these lives; these people are being slaughtered like animals, he said. It's horrible what's going on; it has to be stopped. We should do on a humanitarian basis, immediately go into Libya, knock this guy out very quickly, very surgically, very effectively, and save the lives.

Then, After it's all done, Trump said, the protesters who took over the country would reimburse the U.S. through oil." Buzzfeed

iirc, many were saying we should have gone in early to prevent the chaos, and to prevent the loss of the armories to (potential) terrorists. We waited so long it became a lot messier. I don't even remember if the idea was to go in early and take out Ghadaffi, or what.

Posted by: Illiniwek at February 26, 2016 09:21 AM (eUbDe)

297
Ben Shapiro faced up to the brown shirts, and I suspect that'll become more common as this election proceeds. The leftists are feeling stronger than they have been in 80 years, those fucks.

Posted by: MTF at February 26, 2016 09:21 AM (TxJGV)

298As opposed to, say, what I've done this week. Which I don't remember.

Hint: Most of it was spent around here pretending to know things along with the rest of us.

"These are young people who came to the U.S. as children," state Education Commissioner MaryEllen Elia said in a statement, "They are American in every way but

... being American.

They've done everything right.

Except being in the right country ... their country.

They've worked hard in school, some have even served in the military,

Lie. Illegals are not allowed to serve. Green card holders can serve but illegals have NEVER been allowed ... until just recently when Barky and his junta and the Vichy GOP all decided to make a total mockery of all law and nationhood - but that was too recently for New York to be making such lying, false claims.

but when it's time to apply for a license, they're told 'Stop. That's far enough.' We shouldn't close the door on their dreams."

We should give them tickets and forcibly escort them onto the airplane, bus, train, boat, or footpath that will take them away back to the countries they are actually citizens of.

And these New York legislators ought to be deported with the illegal invaders they are so keen on giving aid and comfort to.

308297 Ben Shapiro faced up to the brown shirts, and I suspect that'll become more common as this election proceeds. The leftists are feeling stronger than they have been in 80 years, those fucks.
Posted by: MTF at February 26, 2016 09:21 AM (TxJGV)

45 or 50 years. Democrat Convention.
It's starting to look like 1968 again. I was in the Navy and "missed" a lot of that -- before cell phones, etc.
A lot of consecutive "WTF" experiences when I got back to civilization (if you could call it that).

Posted by: jwb7605 at February 26, 2016 09:27 AM (DofIg)

309
" IF kerry had been President would we have had to suffer thru Fredo?"

Probably. I often thought that Obama really didn't expect to win in 2008. It was kinda like a dress rehearsal for the next time. Or a line on his resume. What did he have to lose?
Posted by: Basic Argyle at February 26, 2016 09:23 AM (+XvV5)

Yeah but elections have cycles. After 8 Years of a Republican President Bush ( and I am not blaming President Bush, more the way these things happen) it was much easier to sell the shit Fredo was pushing. If there had been 4 or 8 years of kerry I think that penduleum would have swung back to the right.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 26, 2016 09:27 AM (mw8Dm)

310
Indian chicks can really be hot. Priyanka Chopra is going to be in the Baywatch remake, which I think means she wears a bathing suit for pretty much the whole movie, and I am looking forward to it.

314
freaked: Remember those little cereal boxes you could open and just pour the milk in and eat right out of the box? Problem solved.

That's just what I said on the ONT. In fact, I think I'll repeat it:

When we were kids and the families & friends would go to the lake, all the cereal was those variety packs, one-serving boxes. Just open the box along the perforations, fold out the doors, pour in the milk, and eat. Throw away the box.

320Ben Shapiro faced up to the brown shirts, and I suspect that'll become more common as this election proceeds. The leftists are feeling stronger than they have been in 80 years, those fucks.
Posted by: MTF at February 26, 2016 09:21 AM (TxJGV)

Coulter, Malkin, Geller, all have had to deal with this too

no matter where they go

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 26, 2016 09:30 AM (qCMvj)

321
Ben Shapiro faced up to the brown shirts, and I suspect that'll become more common as this election proceeds. The leftists are feeling stronger than they have been in 80 years, those fucks.
Posted by: MTF at February 26, 2016 09:21 AM (TxJGV)

Can she run? That's a prerequisite, I believe, for LifeGuard on the Beach, and Baywatch especially. You are saving lives, and you must respond quickly to every emergency. For the children.

Posted by: Basic Argyle at February 26, 2016 09:31 AM (+XvV5)

325You mean probably since LBJ and the "Great Society." Demographics are against the GOP; it will only become worse from here.
Posted by: gregbot at February 26, 2016 09:28 AM (QVLa0)

part of the reason we are seeing such violence from the left now is because, like Ben mentions in his speech, there are now ways to fight them because of the internet, and alternative voices, which (he talks about Cronkite, I think) we have never had before - opposing views

he's right about that

that is one reason the left's violence is upticking. One, we can see the violence that existed before, and Two, we have opposing voices showing them for who they are.

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296 Trump DID say back in 2011 that we should go in to Libya for humanitarian reasons, and get Ghadaffi out. Cruz said that and Trump denied taking a position.

"But we have go in to save these lives; these people are being slaughtered like animals, he said. It's horrible what's going on; it has to be stopped. We should do on a humanitarian basis, immediately go into Libya, knock this guy out very quickly, very surgically, very effectively, and save the lives.

Then, After it's all done, Trump said, the protesters who took over the country would reimburse the U.S. through oil." Buzzfeed

iirc, many were saying we should have gone in early to prevent the chaos, and to prevent the loss of the armories to (potential) terrorists. We waited so long it became a lot messier. I don't even remember if the idea was to go in early and take out Ghadaffi, or what.
Posted by: Illiniwek at February 26, 2016 09:21 AM (eUbDe)

---------------------------

If Trump said that, then he was wrong.

But, it depends if the bombing already started and the nation was destabilized.

339
@318 Omigod somebody actually read it! The toffiest toffs were statisticians. Good examples of what "Maths" can turn into, once you let them in the club.Some guys think they're Mycroft Holmes but they end up Maynard Keynes.(Specially when it's 9 below zero and 3 o'clock in the afternoon)

The trouble with those real fun solo cereal boxes was, they only came in the Variety Pack, and you could tell what was Ka-booming by what you had to buy to get the one box of Rice Krinkles you really wanted. Just The Man keepin yall down.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at February 26, 2016 09:37 AM (xq1UY)

340
Part of the reason millennials are also so overwhelming in favor of socialist policies is because of the economy that grew so rapidly and enormously benefited their parents is hardly helping them at all.

They are really hurting economically, seeing little benefit from either establishment republican or democratic policies. I'm no saying their socialist views are correct, but I understand why they are reacting so badly. The social contract for the younger generations no longer works and will require some deep thinking on how to revitalize the economy going forward. No amount of rhetoric from Rubio will change this situation.

That was funny, RWC. And reminded me of the other thing besides the stink and the hacking that I didn't care for when I did the happy herb: The just plain mess, hassle, and time consumed, no matter pipe, bong, or joint.

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>>that is one reason the left's violence is upticking. One, we can see the
violence that existed before, and Two, we have opposing voices showing
them for who they are.

I think they also feel they have the go ahead to do it. Since Obama took office things have really devolved, and I think it has a lot to do with the way he's governed as a community organizer instead of president of all people. He openly antagonizes all kinds of Americans every day, signalling that this is OK. So we've seen this attitude in governance filter down. It might and muscle in place of what they used to know should be kept behind a mask.

Obama openly supports the BLM thugs against law enforcement. Heck, his personal think tank, CAP, is bankrolling and training BLM activists, Obama is meeting w/BLM leaders in the WH --- you could probably make the case that BLM *is* an Obama organization.

Posted by: Lizzy at February 26, 2016 09:38 AM (NOIQH)

347
What kind of person can hold the positions at the same time that we should have left Saddam in power and we needed to remove Gaddafi ?

350Remember those little cereal boxes you could open and just pour the milk in and eat right out of the box? Problem solved.

Do Costco/Sams/et al carry those little plastic single-serve bowls with the foil lid?

Oh, wait, they'd have to borrow a car and go to *shudder* the suburbs (I suspect the millenials who are already going out there every week to buy diapers and booze and whatnot at the sample tables have the immense strength it takes to put a cereal dish in the dishwasher).

352
Part of the reason millennials are also so overwhelming in favor of socialist policies is because of the economy that grew so rapidly and enormously benefited their parents is hardly helping them at all.

They are really hurting economically, seeing little benefit from either establishment republican or democratic policies. I'm no saying their socialist views are correct, but I understand why they are reacting so badly.

The social contract for the younger generations no longer works

IOW, Barky's economic policy shit the bed.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 26, 2016 09:40 AM (wKcYr)

353They only think they do. They really don't. Wanna see what unarmed protesters being shot wholesale looks like? Start some shit. Posted by: rickb223 at February 26, 2016 09:38 AM (wKcYr)If the BLM thugs were allowed to run rampant through Baltimore, with police doing nothing or being ordered to stand down, who is going to "wholesale" shoot these leftist fucks? The Ben Shapiros of the world and their supporters? Who will then be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law?

354
So I listened to part of the debate on the radio and I finally started to get a glimpse of Donald Trump's appeal. Without the distraction of his facial expressions and his insane hair, the radio format allowed me to see how differently he SPEAKS from a normal politician. Although his answers are often simple minded and he repeats them over and over again, he doesn't use the typical nerdy politicians talking points.

356
What kind of person can hold the positions at the same time that we should have left Saddam in power and we needed to remove Gaddafi ?
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at February 26, 2016 09:39 AM (jzFdl)

An foreign policy imbecile

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 26, 2016 09:42 AM (mw8Dm)

357
"The social contract for the younger generations no longer works and will require some deep thinking on how to revitalize the economy going forward. "

nailed it

notice how Reagan really went after the *idea* of the USSR, he really articulated principles, and confidence in people

we're probably doing a disservice to the millennials by running them down

Reagan would've ignored their stupidities and encouraged them to be creative and free, if only government would get off their f***ing backs!

361
"So I listened to part of the debate on the radio and I finally started to get a glimpse of Donald Trump's appeal. Without the distraction of his facial expressions and his insane hair, the radio format allowed me to see how differently he SPEAKS from a normal politician. Although his answers are often simple minded and he repeats them over and over again, he doesn't use the typical nerdy politicians talking points."

Yes! He is much better than the rest at talking in sound bites that the average (which isn't very smart to begin with) person can understand.

Posted by: gregbot at February 26, 2016 09:42 AM (QVLa0)

362
Europe is being overrun ... Erdogan (allegedly) says he can flood Greece at any time ... just put the migrants on buses. Sounds like the Obama/Hillary/Rubio plan for America ... a warehouse for third world souls, that will vote Democrat.

Luxemberg president "The outlook is gloomy ... We have no policy any more. We are heading into anarchy."

"Greece can also carry out unilateral actions," migration minister, Yannis Mouzalas told reporters on Thursday. "Greece will not accept becoming Europe's Lebanon, a warehouse of souls, even if this were to be done with major [EU] funding."

zerohedge http://tinyurl.com/grge67v

Posted by: Illiniwek at February 26, 2016 09:43 AM (eUbDe)

363I think they also feel they have the go ahead to do it. Since Obama took office things have really devolved, and I think it has a lot to do with the way he's governed as a community organizer instead of president of all people. He openly antagonizes all kinds of Americans every day, signalling that this is OK. So we've seen this attitude in governance filter down. It might and muscle in place of what they used to know should be kept behind a mask.

Obama openly supports the BLM thugs against law enforcement. Heck, his personal think tank, CAP, is bankrolling and training BLM activists, Obama is meeting w/BLM leaders in the WH --- you could probably make the case that BLM *is* an Obama organization.
Posted by: Lizzy at February 26, 2016 09:38 AM (NOIQH)

Wholeheartedly, and heavy-heartedly agree.

The Alinskyite was let in the White House.

Remember, he said "get in their faces." And, then he hired someone in primary spots in government to also do just that.

What's their excuse for the last sixty years? Anyway Republicans hold the majority in Congress, the majority state legislatures and majority governships. The socialists are just louder right now though admittedly a little larger in size than in the past. I'm more worried about the change in the Right side.

369
Not sure how patients could be exposed to hiv or hep unless he person tampering with the meds had those diseases and they dont say he was.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at February 26, 2016 09:45 AM (iQIUe)

370
>>Am I the only one that remembers the little boxes of cereal that was perforated to become its own bowl?

Those were a cool treat.

We get little boxes of cereal from Sam's sometimes (not lately, do they still have them?) but they don't work that way.

Posted by: Mama AJ at February 26, 2016 09:45 AM (nXeSu)

371
If the BLM thugs were allowed to run rampant through Baltimore, with police doing nothing or being ordered to stand down, who is going to "wholesale" shoot these leftist fucks? The Ben Shapiros of the world and their supporters? Who will then be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law?

They ran rampant thru their own community. Who gives a fuck?
It's funny how they ONLY destroy their own neighborhoods.
Let the South Oak Cliff BLM thugs TRY to run through Highland Park, University Park, or North Dallas with the po po doing nothing.......

Posted by: rickb223 at February 26, 2016 09:46 AM (wKcYr)

372"So I listened to part of the debate on the radio and I finally started to get a glimpse of Donald Trump's appeal. Without the distraction of his facial expressions and his insane hair, the radio format allowed me to see how differently he SPEAKS from a normal politician. Although his answers are often simple minded and he repeats them over and over again, he doesn't use the typical nerdy politicians talking points."

Yes! He is much better than the rest at talking in sound bites that the average (which isn't very smart to begin with) person can understand.
Posted by: gregbot at February 26, 2016 09:42 AM (QVLa0)

yep, he held his own again, regardless of what was said

I saw him gaze down at his notes occasionally, but for the most part, he just tosses out simple notions that Americans agree with. It's that easy for him.

Romney should have won.
Build a bigger wall.
Our military and the VA.
Politicians just talk, no action.
Jobs being displaced to Mexico and China.

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296 Trump DID say back in 2011 that we should go in to Libya for humanitarian reasons, and get Ghadaffi out. Cruz said that and Trump denied taking a position.

"But we have go in to save these lives; these people are being slaughtered like animals, he said. It's horrible what's going on; it has to be stopped. We should do on a humanitarian basis, immediately go into Libya, knock this guy out very quickly, very surgically, very effectively, and save the lives.

Then, After it's all done, Trump said, the protesters who took over the country would reimburse the U.S. through oil." Buzzfeed
________________________

LOL. Yes, that's exactly what Samatha Power and Hillary Clinton were telling Obama (except they were probably saying that the "moderate" Libyan muzzies would love us and be grateful to us and would not want to kill us anymore, instead of saying they'd pay us back with their oil).

Didn't quite work out either way, though. Our Air Force took out Quadaffi surgically, as planned, but then the power vacuum we created in Libya was quickly filled by actors who were even more bloodthirsty than Muammar; actors like AQ and ISIS, who quickly set about slaughtering all the "moderates" so beloved by the U.S. And now Libya -- and all its oil and other resources -- are under the control of these vicious terrorists, and the country, and its people, are worse off than they were before the U.S. intervened to "help" them.

BTW, Obama gave an interview a couple of years ago on t.v. (CBS, I think), in which he was asked about Libya and he admitted that he "never really gave much thought to what would happen" in Libya after Quadaffi was killed. The MSM basically ignored Obama's shocking admission, but can you imagine the sustained outrage from the left we'd have been subjected to if a Republican president had ever publicly admitted to such colossal stupidity and incompetence?

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Reagan would've ignored their stupidities and encouraged them to be creative and free, if only government would get off their f***ing backs!

there is a point at which we're too hard on the kids

Because real life will be so much easier on them.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 26, 2016 09:49 AM (wKcYr)

380
Most of you probably aren't of the millenial generation; and if we can go beyond their delusions which are the result of a brainwashing educational system, they are feeling very bitter economic pain. They look at the job market, their prospects in it--the requirements for entry level positions today are way beyond what existed even twenty years ago--and say, what's in it for me?

Of course you'd be drawn to a guy like Bernie who is telling you the system has been setup against you and he can tear it down and benefit you.

So far, the Republicans have offered nothing new in return. Just the same old, same old. Rubio thinks rhetoric makes him Reagan. It doesn't. Reagan offered a message that truly spoke to the young (a lot of whom voted for him) about how Republican policies would make them better off. Today, the party is much more beholdened to its doner class.

Posted by: gregbot at February 26, 2016 09:49 AM (QVLa0)

381347
What kind of person can hold the positions at the same time that we
should have left Saddam in power and we needed to remove Gaddafi ?

385
250 >>Remember those little cereal boxes you could open and just pour the milk in and eat right out of the box? Problem solved.

Heh, we used those on road trips and camping. Plastic spoons, too. Loved 'em.
---------------

Yep, fed them to my kids last week on a camping trip. They love them.

Posted by: BunkerInTheBurbs at February 26, 2016 09:52 AM (kXzR8)

386
"If Trump said that, then he was wrong.But, it depends if the bombing already started and the nation was destabilized." MAGA

yeah I don't know, it might be different if he said that after the war was underway, and we were just hoping the rebels would win on their own (with maybe only our covert help?). Then too late we decided hey, we better intervene. I just remember many conservatives thinking we could have settled it early easily, but by waiting made a mess of it. But details have become foggy in my mind. The 1000's of shoulder fired missiles went missing, which was allegedly part of the Benghazi thing.

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347 What kind of person can hold the positions at the same time that we should have left Saddam in power and we needed to remove Gaddafi ?
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at February 26, 2016 09:39 AM (jzFdl)
__________________________

(1) Barack Obama

(2) Hillary Clinton

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at February 26, 2016 09:53 AM (df5V4)

389bringing up kids is a combination of No and Yes and, above all, kicking them outside

390
we're probably doing a disservice to the millennials by running them down
Reagan would've ignored their stupidities and encouraged them to be creative and free, if only government would get off their f***ing backs!
there is a point at which we're too hard on the kids
Posted by: Feh at February 26, 2016 09:42 AM (QFRx/)

The next time you laugh off leftist allegations that some random twitter racist embodies the whole conservative movement, remember this idiot and his unwashed cereal bowl.

That's not every millenial
*waves*

These kids need real help, and they need it from their fellow Americans. Conservatives are the ONLY ones that can actually help them. They've been lied to their entire lives. Break the ice off their minds, and do it in person.

392
I had a favorite rejoinder when my boys would say "I'm bored":
Then read something, or write something.
Look at something, or draw something.
Play with something, or make something.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at February 26, 2016 09:54 AM (1xUj/)

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377
Remember those little cereal boxes you could open and just pour the milk in and eat right out of the box? Problem solved.~~~~~

I hated those things because I always ended up with something like Raisin Bran. Raisins look too much like dead roaches and no city kid worth their salt would tempt that. And what seven year old needs bran anyway?

Posted by: IrishEi at February 26, 2016 09:57 AM (E6RIJ)

396
Listening to conversations around office, lot of people who watched the debate (not political junkies) thought Trump came out ahead .... Anecdote, not data, but may be too late to stop, just hang on and pop some popcorn

Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at February 26, 2016 09:57 AM (DGeY3)

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If you watch video of Trump from the 80s-90s, his hair was normal.

My own hair went haywire when I hit my mid-40s. I console myself with the fact that I even HAVE hair, and a lot of it, as baldness runs in my family and I'm one of the few to escape that gene. But it's reaching Trumpian levels of insanity.

My point is, I give Trump a pass on the tonsorial front as it seems his hair just went nuts as hair sometimes does at a certain age.

Had a teacher who would say, "Boring is a boring word for boring people!" and usually follow it up with something like, "What, do you want to go through life like a sea anemone, moving with the tide, eating if something floats by?" You did not say something was boring, or you were bored, more than once in his presence

I looked. Here's my answer to all three: Gope isn't that smart, and frankly, the better explanation is that Gope is dumb enough to have waltzed into this election thinking the people were going to line up behind Jeb! or Rufio of the fatman or whomever, and never in their wildest dreams considered a nutjob like Trump as an actual threat.

And a better answer for why he doesn't criticize them? He doesn't have to! They're not a threat to HIM!

As a kid I would make the interior plastic bag into a liner for the box before adding the milk. Is that the "correct" way to do it?
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Yep, you cut a l;arge "H" in it with a pocket knife.
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caused fights in our family....5 kids.....the variety pack meant someone got stuck with a "healthy" box.....
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I still have a box of apple jacks leftover.

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They are always trying to explain Henry 8th's behavior on his being knocked out and his illnesses. But I dont think that he acted worse than other royalty. His father was an ahole, Mary Queen of Scots was erratic and violent; QE 2nd also erratic and volatile and selfish and vain... Almost all royalty are nuts. Too much power is the cause.

418...Trump... holding a campaign event in Oklahoma City on Friday... cover photo of his official Facebook event page had "Oaklahoma City." ...graphic has since been removed... new graphic now just reads, "Oklahoma, OK."

I begged my mother for weeks to buy me some Grape Nuts. She warned me that they wouldn't be anything like I expected, but did I listen? Of course not! But I found out what it was like to eat hard pebbles for breakfast.

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Trump has figured out the big money is in government and he wants in

Posted by: ThunderB at February 26, 2016 10:08 AM (zOTsN)

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Always selling. Simple direct points. His signaling to the Evangelicals that he's their guy.
That is tough to beat- unless perhaps Cruz could get him one on one.
The others? Feh.
Posted by: naturalfake at February 26, 2016 09:59 AM (KUa85)

"I was targeted because I'm a strong Christian"
The interviewer was like "what? seriously?" And Donald just moved on - I already said it kid, these Trump missiles are fire and forget, and I just launched a salvo right at evangelicals. Next question.

Trump's secret weapon (still secret after all these months) is drawing non-voters to the polls.

There's no data set for these people. That's why this race is so confusing. The rest of the electorate is calcified, which is what permits the swing voter targeting to affect elections so profoundly: make all the noise you want about staying home or voting D, but red voters vote red and blue voters vote blue.

There are massive numbers of previous non-voters coming to the polls in these primaries, and they're all there for one reason.

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I'm seeing signs of despair in some of them. Not good.
Posted by: Feh at February 26, 2016 09:54 AM (QFRx/)

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Its why Bernie Sanders is doing so well with Millennials.

They support "free"college and debt forgiveness and support tearing apart businesses and 90% effective tax rates because the cannot see themselves ever being business orwners or successful enough in their careers that THEY would ever be the ones paying 90% of their income. The millennials (yeah I know broad brush) have resigned themselves to being net takers in society because theyve been convinced theyre victims.

Posted by: fixerupper at February 26, 2016 10:09 AM (8XRCm)

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>>I begged my mother for weeks to buy me some Grape Nuts. She warned me
that they wouldn't be anything like I expected, but did I listen? Of
course not! But I found out what it was like to eat hard pebbles for
breakfast.

Oh, you can add milk (and sugar or honey) and then heat it up and it is soooo good (and no longer pebbles).

Posted by: Lizzy at February 26, 2016 10:09 AM (NOIQH)

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Always thought Banana Jacks would be better. Who puts apples in their cereal.

And while we're on the subject of fruit...why do people want their heads to smell like coconuts? Never understood the popularity of coconut scented shampoo.

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142 But wait, there's more: Evelyn Waugh wasn't just a man, he was a gay man, one (one might say) of the gayest, and close to 40 years ago when such things first became more relevant that anything else, he was put forth as one of the Great Gay Heroes. And now they don't know what gay he even was?

Huh? Waugh was NOT gay. He was married, a convert to Catholicism and extremely conservative (in the British Tory way).

Believe me, he is not someone the gay movement would ever put forward as a herol

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If Trump was running as a conservative Democrat for the Democrat primary his disjointed style, salesmanship ability and brashness would not be praised as positive.
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at February 26, 2016 10:07 AM (jzFdl)

Maybe the Horde can help me here. When I first came to the US, ate at a New England seafood restaurant and one of the desserts was a grape nut custard pudding. I never got the recipe, anyone know of this delicious dessert? Grape nuts on the bottom and custard on the top.

Posted by: flmomof4 at February 26, 2016 10:10 AM (bEXWJ)

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I worked at a student information desk in college and had to look up how grapenuts are made. They are baked into a loag first, then shredded and then toasted

Being voted on by people who cannot bother to find the y and the o in the word "you" when they are trying to say something profound.

I don't think spelling is hotbuuttton issssue during this ellection seeson.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 26, 2016 10:11 AM (Dj0WE)

447Trump has figured out the big money is in government and he wants in

You make more staying outside government and buying the politicians you need on the inside.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 26, 2016 10:11 AM (Dss3U)

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they call them grape nuts only becuase their shape is like that of a grape seed, and the nuts is for the toasted slightly nutty flavor

Posted by: ThunderB at February 26, 2016 10:11 AM (zOTsN)

449Oh, you can add milk (and sugar or honey) and then heat it up and it is soooo good (and no longer pebbles).

Posted by: Lizzy at February 26, 2016 10:09 AM (NOIQH)

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That does sound good, but that was a little too complicated for 12 year old me and my before school meal. I also can't remember if we had a microwave at that time or not.

Posted by: NotCoach at February 26, 2016 10:12 AM (rsudF)

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Trump has figured out the big money is in government and he wants in

You make more staying outside government and buying the politicians you need on the inside.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 26, 2016 10:11 AM (Dss3U)

unless you are doing pay for play like Harry Reid or Hillary Clinton

Posted by: ThunderB at February 26, 2016 10:12 AM (zOTsN)

451I begged my mother for weeks to buy me some Grape Nuts. She warned me that they wouldn't be anything like I expected, but did I listen? Of course not! But I found out what it was like to eat hard pebbles for breakfast.
Posted by: NotCoach
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Enough sugar, and they were good.

There was the time my sister made mom buy instant cheese grits because she just KNEW how good they'd be. Mom eventually relented.

Then she made her eat the whole damned box just to teach her a lesson. I'll never forget watching her cry over bowl after bowl of cold, nasty, instant cheese grits...

Posted by: chi at February 26, 2016 10:12 AM (eh0Xu)

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There is a difference between discipline and abuse.------Ghostof kari - WAR

When I primitive camped in the high desert, we roasted Pinyon Pine cones in the coals at the edge of the campfire. After 20 minutes or so, you just shake the roasted nuts out into a bowl and chow down.

Tons of calories and fats, so they make a great snack when backpacking, hiking and so forth. And they taste great.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at February 26, 2016 10:13 AM (HMt16)

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I'm making cornmeal mush. I draw the line at porridge, though. Nasty glue-ey stuff.

I worked graveyard off and on for 10 years. Nothing is as un-fun as cornflakes at 4:00 pm, except a tavern at 7:00 am. It ruined breakfast cereals and taverns for me.

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After reading the debate coverage it doesn't look like much has changed. The 35% or so that support Trump no matter what probably still support him, and he picks off enough other voters state by state to be competitive. As all the pundits keep saying, Cruz, Rubio, Carson and Kasich split the rest of the vote into pieces among them.

The net result is that all the extra candidates mean Trump looks like he can beat the two thirds or so of the voters he can't win. Thats how Clinton won his first general election, by splitting the opposition, so it's a time honored strategy.

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they only way to beat Trump is if Rubio and Cruz get on the ticket together. Dont see that happening, and with his performance, and gang of eight, no way Rubio should be on the top of that ticket. Kasich should get out and endorse

Posted by: ThunderB at February 26, 2016 10:17 AM (zOTsN)

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After reading the debate coverage it doesn't look like much has changed. The 35% or so that support Trump no matter what probably still support him, and he picks off enough other voters state by state to be competitive. As all the pundits keep saying, Cruz, Rubio, Carson and Kasich split the rest of the vote into pieces among them.

The net result is that all the extra candidates mean Trump looks like he can beat the two thirds or so of the voters he can't win. Thats how Clinton won his first general election, by splitting the opposition, so it's a time honored strategy.
Posted by: MTF at February 26, 2016 10:14 AM (TxJGV)

Mittens was garnering roughly the same vote percentages four years ago. It's how nominations are won. The more interesting question will be, after Trump is nominated, how is he going to solidify the Republican Party?

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I'm making cornmeal mush. I draw the line at porridge, though. Nasty glue-ey stuff.

Haggis

Posted by: rickb223 at February 26, 2016 10:17 AM (wKcYr)

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For all you Trump fans out there, something to consider. (close up the space)
Lost me at the first question when idiotically started arguing that Trump has been given some kind of pass.
Posted by: Rastus at February 26, 2016 10:15 AM (0l2PT)

Yeah that article is the kneejerk reaction of an establishmentarian's political id.

re question 3 (If you were Rove, McConnell, and the rest of the GOP elite, and you wanted to end the growing grassroots threat to your power and influence once and for all, how would you go about it?)

481Mittens was garnering roughly the same vote percentages four years ago. It's how nominations are won. The more interesting question will be, after Trump is nominated, how is he going to solidify the Republican Party?

He can't. Hilary might.

Posted by: Grey Fox at February 26, 2016 10:19 AM (bZ7mE)

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they only way to beat Trump is if Rubio and Cruz get on the ticket together. Dont see that happening, and with his performance, and gang of eight, no way Rubio should be on the top of that ticket. Kasich should get out and endorse
Posted by: ThunderB at February 26, 2016 10:17 AM (zOTsN)

Yeah, that's not going to happen. However, since we're playing fantasy baseball here, if Cruz teamed up with Rufio, I wouldn't vote for him. Period.

Rufio needs to be destroyed. Any effort Cruz has of bending towards Gope is a complete loss of credibility for him.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 26, 2016 10:20 AM (Dj0WE)

483Forget the "kinda". I bet you only ate carrot sticks as a snack too. :-)
Posted by: StrawMan
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Heh. Peanut butter on celery, dotted with raisins.
"Ants on a log" - a childhood favorite.

Posted by: chi at February 26, 2016 10:20 AM (eh0Xu)

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For all you Trump fans out there, something to consider. (close up the space)
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"The establishment isn't the establishment! Donald Trump is the establishment! What is wrong with you people?!?!

I didn't call Vicky a bitch! Vicky called ME a bitch! And she called you a bitch too Mrs Lewis! Honest!"

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"never really gave much thought to what would happen" in Libya after Quadaffi was killed." Trvial P

thx ... details are slowly coming back to my brain. I'm not sure if we were agitating, and thought the good freedom fighters would win. But by the time we went in the bad "freedom fighters" were dominant.

The problem was we didn't really know just who we were dealing with as they all seem to flip around. Arab Spring was all good in Obama's mind ... he likes chaos I guess, easier than building real coalitions.

I can't put Trump's comment in context of stopping the slaughter. It seems that was after we already agitated for the freedom fighters to fight, so by that point our alliance (or whatever it was then) was already out the window.

That would make Trump right ... go in and finish it quickly. (and make Cruz wrong, that Trump was advocating for removing Ghadaffi while he was still our "friend") Ghadaffi had the tents in New York or DC not long before that iirc. heh

Strange thing about that is I like celery and love peanut butter but mixing the two never appealed to me.

Posted by: StrawMan at February 26, 2016 10:22 AM (+058L)

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I wish Cruz could cut a deal with Marco right now, enough before Super Tuesday to give the voters time to adjust their thinking to a two-person race. This thing is very close to over, if it isn't already.

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Kari arent you a bit worried that Trump will self deal, give contracts to buddies, and pay for play as POTUS

he is no different than them on that score. He is no reformer. I believe he loves America, but he reay turned me off last night talking about foreign policy. About how we are going to make the ME and the world pay for our protection. I'm all for that. But it struck me as though he was looking at our fighting men as units for sale.

Get out your smartphone
Book a ride with Fasten (trendy new MIT Uber-clone startup) to your local whole foods.
Do not look at the panhandler outside the door.
Pay $12.95 for 6 ounces of pine nuts.
Push them into the top of your pan of weed brownies in the shape of Bernie Sanders' face.

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>>That would make Trump right ... go in and finish it quickly. (and make Cruz wrong, that Trump was advocating for removing Ghadaffi while he was still our "friend") Ghadaffi had the tents in New York or DC not long before that iirc. heh

You're missing the best part. The land that Gaddafi was going to pitch his tents on was in Bedford, NY. Specifically, the land was owned by one Donald Trump.

It was the city of Beford that put that kibosh on the tents arguing it would be a code violation.

In my case it was: fly to Denver. Rent a car and drive 6 hours to Utah. Drive to trailhead. Hike 9 miles into the desert. Establish camp. Build campfire. Find pinyon pines. Discover that pinyon cones are usually high up and hard to pull off. Get survival knife. Hike around to find enough low cones to cut off. Cut some off.

No sweat.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at February 26, 2016 10:27 AM (HMt16)

508Well, that's how its been done the last several election cycles: Hold your nose and vote.

Anecdotal data suggests that it may be a lot harder to persuade conservatives to hold their noses this time around.

We should be praying for a Hilary candidacy. Bernie or another may not be enough to overcome Trump-disgust.

Posted by: Grey Fox at February 26, 2016 10:27 AM (bZ7mE)

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Forget the "kinda". I bet you only ate carrot sticks as a snack too. :-)
Posted by: StrawMan

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In 2009 Trump had Ghadaffi tents on his property, when he couldn't find another place. Maybe Trump really did favor keeping him around. So Cruz found the quote from after the war started and the slaughter, THEN said to take him out. If that is right, it is just more slippery rhetoric from Cruz to conflate the two situations. Mr. Sneaky Man.

http://tinyurl.com/pt589gd

Posted by: Illiniwek at February 26, 2016 10:28 AM (eUbDe)

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he is no different than them on that score. He is no reformer. I believe he loves America, but he reay turned me off last night talking about foreign policy. About how we are going to make the ME and the world pay for our protection. I'm all for that.

But it struck me as though he was looking at our fighting men as units for sale.

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"it may be a lot harder to persuade conservatives to hold their noses this time around"

they had damned well better

Posted by: Feh at February 26, 2016 10:30 AM (QFRx/)

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The net result is that all the extra candidates mean Trump looks like he can beat the two thirds or so of the voters he can't win. Thats how Clinton won his first general election, by splitting the opposition, so it's a time honored strategy.
Posted by: MTF
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And the Trump supporters, like Perot supporters, will proudly beat their drums as they march backward. Until their dying day (just like Perot supporters) they will maintain that they 'did the right thing'.

No matter that the 'right thing' had disastrous results for the Republic and it's people. No, no... the self-engaged ego boost of having 'stuck it to the GOPe' is worth it.

I had these precise conversations with Perot parrots back in the day. They could not get it through their self-engaged heads that the election had not a damn thing to do with 'voting their conscience' or 'protesting the status quo' or similar rationalized BS, it had ONLY to do with WHO was going to be President.

So, we got Clinton. Damage was done from which we have never recovered, and probably never will.

And here we are, about to have it happen again. It's a freaking nightmare, except that it is real. I perceive no distinction between the psychology of Trump supporters, and the psychology of Bernie supporters. The Dems have got to be laughing their asses off.

I agree. First sentence is "no different from them". But the idea of the Amerian military as mercenaries for sale?

Posted by: ThunderB at February 26, 2016 10:30 AM (zOTsN)

521So Cruz found the quote from after the war started and the slaughter, THEN said to take him out. If that is right, it is just more slippery rhetoric from Cruz to conflate the two situations. Mr. Sneaky Man.

In my case it was: fly to Denver. Rent a car and drive 6 hours to Utah. Drive to trailhead. Hike 9 miles into the desert. Establish camp. Build campfire. Find pinyon pines. Discover that pinyon cones are usually high up and hard to pull off. Get survival knife. Hike around to find enough low cones to cut off. Cut some off.

No sweat.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at February 26, 2016 10:27 AM (HMt16)

Good plan. Or you can buy them in a grocery store, either way.

Posted by: StrawMan at February 26, 2016 10:31 AM (+058L)

523Yes. As much as I enjoy the thought of Cankles being denied the nomination, I think she'd be easier to beat than Sanders.

Hilly brings all that (saddle)baggage.

Bernie gets to run as the empty vessel.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 26, 2016 10:31 AM (Dss3U)

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ThunderB if he's self-dealing and giving out sweetheart contracts, but to a different group of assholes than the current and last administration, isn't that the least-bad option currently on the table?

Isn't a necessary first step in any kind of meaningful reform replacing leadership and the top layer of management? And isn't the whole concept of Let It Burn predicated on acceptance of the idea that that isn't even possible?

Trump's campaign is an outsider actually gaining traction. Hell, so is Bernie's. It's an enormous relief to me to see that it's actually possible. After years of Obama I'd honestly just about given up.

There is definitely a danger that he'll just be the new boss, same as the old, and that my hope that he's a reformer who will let the sun shine on DC is blank-slate projection, wishcasting. But so is all political peanut gallery chatter. My wishcasting has a higher ceiling.

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"The gross domestic product, the broadest measure of economic health, grew at an annual rate of 1 percent in the fourth quarter, the Commerce Department reported Friday....The latest figure, however, does little to change the fact that growth in the final months of 2015 was modest."

3% is modest, 2% is poor, 1% is a disaster (for Republicans Presidents)

528
They bravely held out for a few days until their
nerve gave way and they surrendered without a real fight. Well done
Vichy Republicans

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 26, 2016 07:59 AM (45o

No one has surrendered yet and no one will for the time period already covered by their letter. The $64,000 questions is whether they are meeting to plot betrayal for after the election but before the inauguration.Of course, Obama might be trying to work a deal under which he gets his appointment only if Hilldog wins. At that point, the Senate would have no reason to wait and might get leverage because Obama is just petty enough to want to take that away from Hillary.

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There is definitely a danger that he'll just be the new boss, same as the old, and that my hope that he's a reformer who will let the sun shine on DC is blank-slate projection, wishcasting. But so is all political peanut gallery chatter. My wishcasting has a higher ceiling.

Fuck em up Donald.
Posted by: Ghost of kari

he wont give you reform. he may give the GOP creative destruction. he hasnt saved or reformed any businesses. he builds, but he doesn't reform. thats not his history or skill set

Posted by: ThunderB at February 26, 2016 10:34 AM (zOTsN)

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Cruz brought up a point last night that I think is really something to think about. The media has backed off Trump so far as I believe they want him to get the nod. After which, they will go at him full bore. Of course they will do this to any R candidate, however with Trump's background and off the cuff remarks, they will have a field day.

Cruz has always been attacked including by his own party. When Trump said last night that Cruz didn't have one R supporting him - I saw that as a big selling point for Cruz.

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thx jack Straw ... yeah, I just found that. ha. But it does seem to indicate Trump was maybe on his side a little, but changed when the war had started and Ghadaffi was slaughtering. By then Ghadaffi must have know we were not on his side and he was finished.

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Cruz brought up a point last night that I think is
really something to think about. The media has backed off Trump so far
as I believe they want him to get the nod. After which, they will go at
him full bore. Of course they will do this to any R candidate, however
with Trump's background and off the cuff remarks, they will have a
field day.

Cruz has always been attacked including by his own party. When
Trump said last night that Cruz didn't have one R supporting him - I saw
that as a big selling point for Cruz.

Posted by: Cheri at February 26, 2016 10:34 AM (oiNtH) _______

Did he really say that? Or was it qualified in some way?Anyway, it is not true. What are Perry, Abbott, Gohmert, Amash, etc. As far as I can tell, they are very influential Rs.

Posted by: mustbequantum at February 26, 2016 10:38 AM (MIKMs)

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"The gross domestic product, the broadest measure of economic health, grew at an annual rate of 1 percent in the fourth quarter, the Commerce Department reported Friday.

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Adjusted for inflation? After a cursory search, inflation not mentioned, but 'inventory build' is mentioned. Building inventories is generally believed to be a leading indicator of slower growth.

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I vaguely remember the Perot infomercial with the graphs. But to be honest, the first thing that comes to my mind when I think of Perot is Dana Carvey.

Posted by: Dead Parrot Society at February 26, 2016 10:39 AM (AJeMv)

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544 Not mercs for sale, but "We're not saving your ass for free, nor wasting blood for nothing".

Posted by: rickb223

if you are just dickering over price, what are you?

Yeah.

Do it for free = being a chump.
Do it for money = merc.
I guess that's why all of the old school warriors down thru time let their fighters keep the spoils of war.
Hard to get people to fight and die for some third party for altruistic reasons.

Yesterday, I eavesdropped on a group of physicians I know to be quite conservative. They were ranting about what a buffoon Trump is and how they would never vote for him.

That is the reaction from every Republican I know - utter loathing and disgust. Some of it is ridiculous - comparisons of Trump to Hitler and so on - but the disgust he inspires is every bit as strong as the devotion.

The exception is my cousin, who voted in the Nevada caucus. And she is nuts.

I am not saying that all Trump supporters are nuts, but my cousin certainly is. She was a huge Ron Paul fan and is terrified of GM food.

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Might be in the closet.Try wearing a MAGA hat and you might find them.

_______

I always laugh at that acronym. My mom went by that name because great-grandma was alive and involved with all the kids and she was Grandma. Somehow the kids turned it inside out to create a name for her and she used it proudly.

Posted by: mustbequantum at February 26, 2016 10:41 AM (MIKMs)

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he wont give you reform. he may give the GOP creative destruction. he hasnt saved or reformed any businesses. he builds, but he doesn't reform. thats not his history or skill set
Posted by: ThunderB at February 26, 2016 10:34 AM (zOTsN)

His entire campaign is a promise to use America's status and wealth (what's left of it...which is still #1 in the world) as leverage to get what's good for us instead of treating it like a shameful privilege to be absolved through penance.

That IS reform. That's an attack on liberalism on a fundamental, philosophical level.

He doesn't need us, man. He doesn't care about in-the-weeds conservative thinkers because there are way more Rob Gronkowskis in this country and he wants votes. He is making a pitch for American capitalism directly to the people, in a way they can understand.

And guess what? We've failed this country. Obama won. Not for lack of trying, but we have. And that's most evident in the Let It Burn meme we've all embraced since we couldn't do it our way.

He might be doing the Right Thing in the Wrong Way, but that's better than us, who've kept trying to do the Wrong Thing (fight liberalism on its turf and getting lost in rhetorical battles instead of working in the real world) the Right Way.

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>> Cruz brought up a point last night that I think is really something to think about. The media has backed off Trump so far as I believe they want him to get the nod

No, they haven't. My facebook feed is filled with articles written by liberals quaking in fear of Trump. Hitler references left and right. He's the literal anti-Christ. Just sample news.google.com, it's an ocean of anti-Trump

Posted by: Rastus at February 26, 2016 10:41 AM (0l2PT)

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>>thx jack Straw ... yeah, I just found that. ha. But it does seem to indicate Trump was maybe on his side a little, but changed when the war had started and Ghadaffi was slaughtering. By then Ghadaffi must have know we were not on his side and he was finished.

I think you're giving him too much credit. I don't think The Donald gave a wet fart about politics or international relations before a few months ago save for how it would affect his bottom line.

One thing Rubio was absolutely correct on last night is that Trump never really says anything. He just talks about polls and winning and making things great .. and he does it over and over and over and over.

Even the few things he does get "specific" on like the wall he is still all over the map. Yeah, he's going to build a yuggge wall and kick all the illegals out. And then he's going to open the luxurious door in the middle of the wall and let the "good ones" back in. What the hell does that even mean? Who are the good illegals?

If Trump is the nominee I will probably vote for him because I can't abide another 4 years of liberal destruction but I'm under no allusions about Trump. Nobody has a fucking clue what he would do if he got the job, least of all Trump. That doesn't fill me with joy.

Maybe Trump will have Cruz as his veep after all.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 26, 2016 07:40 AM (zLP1L)

I saw it too J.J. Actually, Mario should have been wearing an artist's smock and a beret whilst twiddling his curly moustache. What Mario did with his feces to Trump is how Picasso used clay. Absolutely shocking.

Mike and I live in the same area, but I've been noticing the same thing.

My own family, which is very conservative, intensely dislikes Trump, to the point that they may not vote at all. My boss, who is libertarian because he can't stand the GOPe, also dislikes Trump. These are all the kind of people that I would expect to be receptive, if not enthusiastic.

I'll keep asking.

Also, I have yet to see a single pro-Trump bumper sticker around here.

yeah I present it as supposition, but now it is coming into focus. It seems clear the video Trump made was after we had clearly taken the other side. He said we had to intervene at that point to stop the slaughter, not to preemptively remove Ghadaffi. And since he supplied tent space when no one else would, it doesn't seem he wanted him out then.

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If Trump is the nominee I will probably vote for him because I can't abide another 4 years of liberal destruction but I'm under no allusions about Trump. Nobody has a fucking clue what he would do if he got the job, least of all Trump. That doesn't fill me with joy.

Do it for free = being a chump.
Do it for money = merc.
I guess that's why all of the old school warriors down thru time let their fighters keep the spoils of war.
Hard to get people to fight and die for some third party for altruistic reasons.

Posted by: rickb223

the most important thing before you are ready to use a military and cost men their lives is the cause. That requires faith in the judgement of the leader. I didnt see anything last night that inspired that kind of faith

Posted by: ThunderB at February 26, 2016 10:44 AM (zOTsN)

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Dude Perot would have made a great president, his greatest failure was that he didn't win, and thus split the vote. Trump can win.
Posted by: Ghost of kari
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Dude that's a pretty significant 'failure'. His greatest success was that he put Clinton into office, who did untold damage to the country for 8 years, set the stage for Senator Clinton and Obama. Imagine what Hillary can do with 8 years in office.

Trump can NOT win. There is NO indication that he can win. Have you noticed the disgust among many here? Do you think that they are all GOPe operatives? Do you have any faith at all in the polling data?

Trump is NOT Reagan... not even in the league.

Support him if you wish, but in my estimation there isn't going to be some magic groundswell of support. Quite the contrary.

573
If Trump is the nominee I will probably vote for him because I can't abide another 4 years of liberal destruction but I'm under no allusions about Trump. Nobody has a fucking clue what he would do if he got the job, least of all Trump. That doesn't fill me with joy.

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I won't vote for him, because with him you get another 4 years of liberal destruction.

580
Can't play video yet. Does Latvian Man learn the hard way about cracking the whip - Because Science.

It's a lot easier on water.You don't really appreciate how fast the towee is going as the driver.You don't want to find out via 65+ yro Dad who doesn't swim or drive the boat slow but it will reduce your own nephew breaking speed.

Posted by: DaveA at February 26, 2016 10:46 AM (DL2i+)

581
>>However, we DO know how all the others will stab us in the back.

Every politician will stab you in the back. Every single one of them. It's just a matter of degrees.

And that includes Trump.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 26, 2016 10:46 AM (/tuJf)

582
>> He doesn't need us, man. He doesn't care about in-the-weeds conservative thinkers because there are way more Rob Gronkowskis in this country and he wants votes. He is making a pitch for American capitalism directly to the people, in a way they can understand.

This. Trump is an executive, not an ideologue. People are tired of the conservative nerds that over-promise with their gamed out Dungeons and Dragons policy fantasies. They are completely removed from reality. Cruz harps about some detailed policy plan... what? how? Been there, done that, thousands of elections, it never works. All Trump can do is get in office, and then as the executive, audit the shit out of everything, and then discriminately cut cut cut cut. At this point there isn't much else he can say in terms of specifics. Last night he specifically mentioned a couple things though, like department of education - GONE he said.

Johnny Depp will bring a touch of Hollywood glamour to a planned
gathering of atheists and other secularists at Washington's Lincoln
Memorial.

Depp, who once said "religion is not my specialty," is one of the
scheduled speakers at the Reason Rally, a project of seven national
atheist, humanist and other secularist organizations slated for June 4.
Other speakers include television personality Bill Nye, scientists
Lawrence Krauss and Carolyn Porco, comedians Margaret Cho and Julia
Sweeney and musicians Killah Priest and Mark White of the Spin Doctors.

And they call conservatives un-cool.

Posted by: Lizzy at February 26, 2016 10:47 AM (NOIQH)

585
Of course they will do this to any R candidate, however with Trump's background and off the cuff remarks, they will have a field day.

Cruz has always been attacked including by his own party. When Trump said last night that Cruz didn't have one R supporting him - I saw that as a big selling point for Cruz.

Posted by: Cheri at February 26, 2016 10:34 AM (oiNtH)

I can imagine a parade of bimbos coming forth to say Trump knocked them up and paid for their abortions. (Given how many he's banged, that's not an unlikely scenario at all.)

The Dems will show them with a clip of the Donald saying he's pro-life.

It won't bother his followers because none of his blatant hypocrisies do. Everyone else? Well, that's a different matter.

586
After the debate in Texas ended last night, I can imagine Jeb! sitting in his dark living room uttering one phrase:

'Please clap.'

Posted by: Arson Wells at February 26, 2016 10:48 AM (UnJ7w)

587
@550 There are Trump supporters right here on this blog. They heard Trump say stuff at the beginning that sounded like he would do something about our borders and immigration and sounded like he would stick it to the GOPe. They've listened to nothing he has said since and blindly will follow him right over a cliff and drag the rest of the country (us) with them as we continue our hard lurch to the left.

588
All Trump can do is get in office, and then as the executive, audit the shit out of everything, and then discriminately cut cut cut cut.

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I am really mystified as to why people think Trump will do this? Being president is nothing like being the boss of your company.

Posted by: SH at February 26, 2016 10:48 AM (gmeXX)

589
Trump is where conservative democrats go. They used to exist, but now they are like white rhinos

Posted by: ThunderB at February 26, 2016 10:48 AM (zOTsN)

590
Ace should do a blog poll to see how many people will stay home if Trump gets the nod. It would be interesting to see. I know it would be a yes vote for me.

Posted by: spypeach at February 26, 2016 10:48 AM (nyYhO)

591
Every politician will stab you in the back. Every single one of them. It's just a matter of degrees.

And that includes Trump.

Which, after 30+ years of my party doing it TO me and not the opposition, I'm willing to try Trump.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 26, 2016 10:48 AM (wKcYr)

592
"They were ranting about what a buffoon Trump is and how they would never vote for him."

they'd prefer 4-8 years of Hillary or Bernie? and the looooong after-effects of such administrations in the bureaucracy, military, and judiciary?

if not, how can Rubio or Cruz beat Hillary or Bernie? I don't see it. I'd like to see it, but I don't see it.

Posted by: Feh at February 26, 2016 10:49 AM (QFRx/)

593
Fredo has destroyed or made attempts to destroy the Constitution and has spread division in the Country far and wide. And THAT is, in part, why Trump is able to garner so much support. people are mad frustrated and pissed off.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 26, 2016 10:49 AM (mw8Dm)

594
Reagan used to get the Dixiecrats. This feels like that. Trump does pull from outside the party.

Posted by: ThunderB at February 26, 2016 10:49 AM (zOTsN)

595
354 So I listened to part of the debate on the radio and I finally started to get a glimpse of Donald Trump's appeal. Without the distraction of his facial expressions and his insane hair, the radio format allowed me to see how differently he SPEAKS from a normal politician. Although his answers are often simple minded and he repeats them over and over again, he doesn't use the typical nerdy politicians talking points.
Posted by: Max Power at February 26, 2016 09:41 AM (QCc6B)

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I heard about 15 mins of the debate on the radio and was thinking the same. Trump comes off much better just hearing and not seeing him. The opposite effect of JFK/Nixon debates.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 26, 2016 10:50 AM (0LHZx)

596
@435 And Noel Coward, who wasn't one actually, commanded a destroyer in the Royal Navy. Nevertheless. Poke around in the literature a little, after the current flurry of Evelyn commentary dies down. The English, they are an odd race.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at February 26, 2016 10:50 AM (xq1UY)

597
Wait what? Not the opposite. The same effect. Need more coffee I think.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 26, 2016 10:50 AM (0LHZx)

598
The only people I know who have told me they will vote for Trump are democrats who will vote for Hillary in the general but want Trump to win the nomination.

But obviously Trump supporters exist - he is winning. But I am suffering from the Pauline Kael effect myself.

Posted by: SH at February 26, 2016 10:50 AM (gmeXX)

599
@Rastus What policies that Cruz has harped about been tried a "thousand times"?

600
There are Trump supporters right here on this blog. They heard Trump say stuff at the beginning that sounded like he would do something about our borders and immigration and sounded like he would stick it to the GOPe. They've listened to nothing he has said since and blindly will follow him right over a cliff and drag the rest of the country (us) with them as we continue our hard lurch to the left.

What has the GOPe done to stop the hard lurch to the left over the last 30+ years?

Show your work. We'll wait.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 26, 2016 10:51 AM (wKcYr)

601
591 Every politician will stab you in the back. Every single one of them. It's just a matter of degrees.

And that includes Trump.

Which, after 30+ years of my party doing it TO me and not the opposition, I'm willing to try Trump.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 26, 2016 10:48 AM (wKcYr)

602
>>No, they haven't. My facebook feed is filled with articles written by liberals quaking in fear of Trump. Hitler references left and right. He's the literal anti-Christ. Just sample news.google.com, it's an ocean of anti-Trump
Posted by: Rastus at

On Facebook and here and there. I am talking about a full on assault on him by every major news organizations. We have yet to see that and it will be Yuuuuge!

Posted by: Cheri at February 26, 2016 10:52 AM (oiNtH)

603
I know of two who are, I believe, staunch democrats. Confirms polls that claim Trump draws support from disgruntled democrats.

Posted by: Basic Argyle at February 26, 2016 10:46 AM

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That's one of my many fears with Trump. I believe that a good amount of his support is coming from democrats who will turn on a dime in the general and cast their vote for the Hildebeast.

I also believe that the "conservatives" who support Trump are not conservative at all, and likely never were. They are populists.

Posted by: IrishEi at February 26, 2016 10:52 AM (E6RIJ)

604the most important thing before you are ready to use a military and cost men their lives is the cause. That requires faith in the judgement of the leader. I didn't see anything last night that inspired that kind of faith

Posted by: ThunderB at February 26, 2016 10:44 AM (zOTsN)

Hard to argue with that, I would add that there is more than just the faith in the leader required, there should also be faith in the "government" (read that as back-stabbing Democrats and RINO squishes) to prosecute and support a war in the long term. Sadly, this latter condition I never expect to occur in my lifetime.

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 26, 2016 10:52 AM (wYnyS)

605
"blog poll to see how many people will stay home if Trump gets the nod."

I won't decide until I put pencil to ballot.
I won't even decide to vote until I'm backing the car out of the garage.

Posted by: Basic Argyle at February 26, 2016 10:52 AM (+XvV5)

606590 Ace should do a blog poll to see how many people will stay home if Trump gets the nod. It would be interesting to see. I know it would be a yes vote for me.
Posted by: spypeach at February 26, 2016 10:48 AM (nyYhO)

This time we KNOW the consequences of sitting it out with Hillary or Bernie as the other choice.

We also know that impeachment will not be "off the table" with Trump.

I suspect the GOPe might now be getting the message. Suspect and might being the operative words, though.

I'll hold my nose and vote.

Posted by: jwb7605 at February 26, 2016 10:53 AM (DofIg)

607
I am really mystified as to why people think Trump will do this? Being president is nothing like being the boss of your company.

Pen & phone.
President Precedent has set the bar.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 26, 2016 10:53 AM (wKcYr)

608
I get how a Cruz supporter could easily reject Trump because Trump is not a Conservative.

What about the Rubio supporters?

They support a genuine RINO.

Would they argue against Trump by saying he is too much like a Democrat? That they claim he is dishonest? Sneaky?
Can't trust him?

612
What has the GOPe done to stop the hard lurch to the left over the last 30+ years?

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Well Ted Cruz - who is also running for President - tried to shutdown the government.

What has Trump done?

Posted by: SH at February 26, 2016 10:54 AM (gmeXX)

613
>> I am really mystified as to why people think Trump will do this? Being president is nothing like being the boss of your company.

Sure it is. It only seems that way to you because it's been run by attorneys and professional bureaucrats up to this point. POTUS has the power to force things to operate in the black. Having spent a lot of time in government, in the military, and also on civilian side in DOD contracting, the executive has a lot of power to trim the fat.

Posted by: Rastus at February 26, 2016 10:54 AM (0l2PT)

614
So I listened to part of the debate on the radio and I finally started to get a glimpse of Donald Trump's appeal. Without the distraction of his facial expressions and his insane hair, the radio format allowed me to see how differently he SPEAKS from a normal politician.
Posted by: Max Power at February 26, 2016 09:41 AM (QCc6B)

I'm pretty sure this is how Trump consummated his current marriage to his hot wife.

Please clap.

Posted by: Arson Wells at February 26, 2016 10:54 AM (UnJ7w)

615
590 Ace should do a blog poll to see how many people will stay home if Trump gets the nod. It would be interesting to see. I know it would be a yes vote for me.
Posted by: spypeach at February 26, 2016 10:48 AM (nyYhO)

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That strategy worked great in Nevada in 2010. Angle? She's a crazy person, no way I'm voting for her!! And so Harry Reid won another term. You showed them.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 26, 2016 10:55 AM (0LHZx)

616
"People are tired of the conservative nerds that over-promise with their gamed out Dungeons and Dragons policy fantasies."

lol

(Homer voice) it's funny because it's true

there is widespread feeling that the USA is on the wrong track and that our political class is basically entrenched toilet bowl scum

we have rejected the Bush dynasty, are well on our way to rejecting the Clinton dynasty, and are apparently eager to listen to a P.T. Barnum capitalist who waves away every single political nicety because he can. and some of the youngsters are openly voting for an old fossil socialist.

in short, America wants to kick something over

the old order is dead

time for something new

Posted by: Feh at February 26, 2016 10:55 AM (QFRx/)

617
I am really mystified as to why people think Trump will do this? Being president is nothing like being the boss of your company.

Pen & phone.
President Precedent has set the bar.

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Yes because Obama is an ideologue who wants to do things. What makes you think Trump wants to cut the government? He wants to be beloved. Cutting the government means pissing certain people off.

Granted I didn't follow politics closely up until 10 years ago or so. So I must have missed the time when Trump held a prominent elected office.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 26, 2016 10:56 AM (0LHZx)

620
Sure it is. It only seems that way to you because it's been run by attorneys and professional bureaucrats up to this point. POTUS has the power to force things to operate in the black. Having spent a lot of time in government, in the military, and also on civilian side in DOD contracting, the executive has a lot of power to trim the fat.

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You assume Trump wants to trim fat. I have no clue why people thinks he wants to do this.

Posted by: SH at February 26, 2016 10:57 AM (gmeXX)

621
"Nobody has a fucking clue what he would do if he got the job, least of all Trump. That doesn't fill me with joy." JackStraw

well he has made some commitments. On immigration last night he said when some are kicked out others will get the message and go on their own. He also supports e-verify. The wall would be about half the border he said... 1000 miles. He has a lot of details.

People act like he is clueless, but this appearance before a congressional hearing has them fawning over his every word of tax policy, and thanking him for understanding trade issues, even as they get into "the weeds". He knows how to win elections, separately he knows intricate details and policy off the top of his head. Obviously being a wonk doesn't always work so well in running for president.

I share your concern on what he will really do ... but Trump is the lower risk option by far, imo.

This is almost an hour, but any part is good ... I listened to the whole thing ... he is a smart guy, understood then the stock market "bubble" even before Greenspan made his "irrational exuberance" comment. He also comments briefly on the trade issues, one rep thanking him for understanding our export of jobs ... 1991.

He testifies right after Bill Seidman. If people would watch they would maybe quit calling him a buffoon. (or not)

624
Granted I didn't follow politics closely up until 10 years ago or so. So I must have missed the time when Trump held a prominent elected office.

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He just gave to Democrats.

Posted by: SH at February 26, 2016 10:58 AM (gmeXX)

625
608 I get how a Cruz supporter could easily reject Trump because Trump is not a Conservative.

What about the Rubio supporters?

They support a genuine RINO.

Would they argue against Trump by saying he is too much like a Democrat? That they claim he is dishonest? Sneaky?
Can't trust him?

Posted by: eman at February 26, 2016 10:53 AM (MQEz6)

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That's my point above. Rubio's support is moderate to slightly conservative. Seems to me Rubio's people will end up swarming to Trump. And there goes the "if only Rubio will drop out Cruz can win" theory.

626This time we KNOW the consequences of sitting it out with Hillary or Bernie as the other choice.

The problem is that I don't see how Bernie could be much worse than Trump, apart from immigration and possibly a slight improvement in the budget. Foreign policy, judges, planned parenthood, general corruption - I expect that while the approach may be quite different the effect will be the same.

Posted by: Grey Fox at February 26, 2016 10:59 AM (bZ7mE)

627
"the most important thing before you are ready to use a military and cost men their lives is the cause. That requires faith in the judgement of the leader. "

Thus my squeamishness with George W going into Iraq.

First: war is an uncertain business, and I was amazed at how well DOD waged war especially after media reports about the 'elite' Republican Guard. Equally amazing was George HW's liberation of Kuwait. There should be no doubt about the US Military's ability to wage war.

Second: My fear the anti war democrats would sabotage the effort, and squander the victory.

Vietnam is a sore point with me.

Posted by: Basic Argyle at February 26, 2016 10:59 AM (+XvV5)

628590 Ace should do a blog poll to see how many people will stay home if
Trump gets the nod. It would be interesting to see. I know it would be a
yes vote for me.

Posted by: spypeach at February 26, 2016 10:48 AM (nyYhO)

_________

Would be really cool if we could agree, for those of us unwilling to vote for the eventual nominee, to write in 'Ace of Spades' for the POTUS spot. I will never stay home because the other races are too important, but it would be interesting to see how a write-in for Pres (which in the general is more a beauty contest than anything else) would work.

Posted by: mustbequantum at February 26, 2016 11:00 AM (MIKMs)

629
It won't bother his followers because none of his blatant hypocrisies do. Everyone else? Well, that's a different matter.
Posted by: Donna and V.

I can see that as well. I can see Hillary and him in a debate where she cackles "Donald, you're fired!" for a big applause line. Ugh.

Posted by: Cheri at February 26, 2016 11:00 AM (oiNtH)

630
Yeah, this is just ego talking cuz the chances of this happening are zero:

I wish Cruz would sit down with me face to face for about 30 minutes.

I could absolutely give him the talking points and the phrasing-

that would increase his share of the vote considerably.

A big part of my job is selling stuff to people that they don't want but they need.

Some folks, intelligent - STEM, or higher business types are relatively easy-

I can just show them the facts and figures as it were-

This is where Cruz is anyone who's a conservative- philosophically- has already been sold.

Where he's stuck is at the making an emotional/personal/life connection with all the other voters-

to get them to buy what they do not necessarily want

but what they need.

That is the help he needs and is not getting it from the bozos he's hired to advise him.

TL/DR, I know.

Also, ego, I know.

Posted by: naturalfake at February 26, 2016 11:00 AM (0cMkb)

631
>> You assume Trump wants to trim fat. I have no clue why people thinks he wants to do this.

I have no clue why people automatically assume the worst, that he's some epic fire-breathing wolf in sheep's clothing. Could he be a big liar? Yeah, that's possible. At some point you gotta have some faith in something though. Burned countless times by the politicians, the senators, the governors, the reps. I'm done with career lawyers warming a senate seat. Senators aren't executives. They aren't leaders. They are damned professional debaters. They are seedy academicians.

Posted by: Rastus at February 26, 2016 11:03 AM (0l2PT)

632
The winner last night was Presdent Obama for doing such a great job fixing Bush's mess. Bush lied to us for eight years and Presdent Obama is still finding out some of the problems. Also Brattleboro is proud to announce that the City Clouncil voted unamoiusly yesterday to name Present Obama the "Best Black Presdent" this country ever had. We love our Presdent of Color and will miss him dearly if he must depart in 2018.

633
Oh I see many of the so-called "conservatives" are going to take their ball and go home if Trump is the nominee. Some are even saying they will vote for The Hag instead.

Oh yes, this is after spending the last week insulting voters over their education. By the way, the same voters who have not shown up in several elections and have a better demographic mix than at least the last three general elections.

But you go girl. Because, you know "it's principled".

What a bunch of buffoonish, partisan idiots.

Posted by: Marcus T at February 26, 2016 11:04 AM (GGCsk)

634
That's my point above. Rubio's support is moderate to slightly conservative. Seems to me Rubio's people will end up swarming to Trump. And there goes the "if only Rubio will drop out Cruz can win" theory.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at February 26, 2016 10:59 AM (LXJ1e)

Is seems as though you feel that everyone would swarm to Trump. Perhaps I'm wrong, but that is the way it seems.

650
Would be really cool if we could agree, for those of us unwilling to vote for the eventual nominee, to write in 'Ace of Spades' for the POTUS spot. I will never stay home because the other races are too important, but it would be interesting to see how a write-in for Pres (which in the general is more a beauty contest than anything else) would work.

Posted by: mustbequantum at February 26, 2016 11:00 AM (MIKMs)

I should clarify, I will vote local election, but will not pull the lever for Trump, I think a write in would be nice.

Well, you see, that's like saying, 'All Perot has to do is get in office'.

There is not a scintilla of evidence that Trump has a chance. Aside from cult-of-personality 'Followers', he has no support from anyone.

Look, I know that there are people here who support the image that THEY have in their head regarding Trump, and it is not my intent to insult them. My intent is to point out that:

A. The guy does not have chance of being elected.

B. The rational alternatives are being damaged/destroyed by the guy.

C. His candidacy assures a Hillary triumph.

See, I'm actually concerned about WHO is going to be President for at least the next four years. You know, SCOTUS and all that.

Oddly, if Trump manifested the SLIGHTEST indication that he was a Constitutional Conservative, I might feel at least a twinge of enthusiasm, but he never has, because he isn't. He is a blusterous blowhard, and people mistake blusterous blowhards for people of substance.

In this case, the stakes are very, very real and very, very dangerous.

652Oh I see many of the so-called "conservatives" are going to take their
ball and go home if Trump is the nominee. Some are even saying they will
vote for The Hag instead.

Oh yes, this is after spending the
last week insulting voters over their education. By the way, the same
voters who have not shown up in several elections and have a better
demographic mix than at least the last three general elections.

But you go girl. Because, you know "it's principled".

What a bunch of buffoonish, partisan idiots.

Posted by: Marcus T at February 26, 2016 11:04 AM (GGCsk)

No conservative would vote for Hillary... the establishment people I know are threatening to (I remind them of her very criminal an d shady history and hope it penetrates.

As far as conservatives not voting for Trump... I won't. I have never voted progressive in my life and I don't intend to start now. To me, likely policy matters and character matters even more (here is where Trump lost any hope of my vote when he started blatantly lying about Cruz). Its not a matter of me "taking my ball and going home" if Cruz the guy doesn't win. It's a matter of Cruz the conservative is the only one left in the race who supports my ideals.

As much as you and other Trump supporters refuse to hear it, "burn it all down" is not a way forward. I am all for destroying the Washington uniparty but there has to be consideration of the "and then what". Judging from his entire almost 70 year life before he decided to run for office as a Republican, the "and then what" under Trump (if he even goes in as a destroyer which I think is doubtful) would be very short on respect for my inalienable rights and very long on crony deals and progressive policies.

For instance, whatever Trump says about repealing Obamacare, he is fully supportive of the worst parts of it that abrogate our rights as supposedly free citizens.

No one here has insulted anyone over their education level (at least none of the regular posters have) and no one will. For that matter neither has Cruz ever done that. He has repeatedly spoken in favor of greater emphasis on trades for people instead of useless degrees in philosophy. But your guy, while not being openly contemptuous like the establishment, is pretty damn condescending to "the uneducated"... thank God for small favors, at least he didn't refer to them as "the poors".

656
Ben Shapiro faced up to the brown shirts, and I suspect that'll become more common as this election proceeds. The leftists are feeling stronger than they have been in 80 years, those fucks.
Posted by: MTF at February 26, 2016 09:21 AM (TxJGV)

I saw a Trump supporter on twitter last night refer to Shapiro as "foreskinless benny s".

I know the twitter skinheads are a tiny minority of Trump supporters, but they make my skin crawl.

Posted by: stace at February 26, 2016 11:51 AM (ozZau)

657
Probably a dead thread, but just so you know...my neighbor's son has a Trump sticker on his car. he's working a factory job, since graduating from high school last year. This is WA state, so not exactly red.

Your physicians don't support Trump because they are in that protected class Noonan talks about. Most of us out here in blue land are smart enough not to advertise who we are going to vote for. We don't like having our car keyed. Bumper stickers mean nothing. And there are a whole lot of folks that will vote Trump because they are sick and tired of their "betters" telling them who they should support.

658
Rev. Al Sharpton told attendees at a Center for American Progress Action
Fund event Thursday he would flee the country if Donald Trump won the
election, in order to avoid being deported by Trump.
BS...
Posted by: colin at February 26, 2016 08:34 AM

They never really do, see Alec Baldwin, Babs Striesand.
But this goes into the column...reasons to vote Trump.