Ya, that was the closet call I ever had with one of my nitros, LOL. I had to check my pants after that flight.

Thanks for the criticism, I have come to most of the same conclusions as you, I need to do more piros and piro maneuvers. I will start working on those on the sim.

The piro flip style transitions you mention , can you give me a brief description on what you mean and how to do them. I am the top pilot at my local field and I need people to learn from. I tend to feed off of people and right now I am the one who helps everyone out, but I'm left on my own to browse and learn on the forums. This recent trip to the heli phenomenon got me looking for some heli guys to fly with and learn from. I want to thank you for opening this section and writing such great descriptions on how to perform the maneuvers.

I will work on your suggestions for homework and once done, I'll come back for some new assignments

Any tips on how to not accidentally apply any collective when applying rudder?

The piro flip style transitions you mention , can you give me a brief description on what you mean and how to do them.

Check out the piro flip video. In the beginning section after half flips I show a maneuvar called a mobius. This is a basic style of piro transition you should start working on when you get comfortable with half flips.

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Originally Posted by ForceFedDSM

Any tips on how to not accidentally apply any collective when applying rudder?

loosen the rudder axis and or tighten the collective axis. Otherwise make a mental effort to concentrate on not mixing the 2 accidentally. Using the sim you can watch the axis positions. Spend a few minutes working the rudder at various collective positions and try not to apply any accidental collective.

Take a look at my piro flip vid again and try to follow the steps. Looks like you have the first half of the half flip working pretty well, but you need to work on the second half.

Start with the heli tail in inverted and practice just the second half. go back to tail in inverted and do it again. Keep working on it until you have it a bit more solid. Then start working on putting the first and second parts together.

Also you should maybe slow down your tail a bit. The tail whipping around that fast will make things a lot harder to "lock in" when you are trying to learn piro maneuvars

As I'm still working on the second half of the piroflip.. I realise something..

look at is this way.. start off your piroflip in inverted nose-in..practice this half of the piroflip to reach upright tail in.. then connect this half of the piroflip to go back to inverted nose in..

I think this will help a lot in connecting everything up..

At lease this help me me getting the whole piroflip connected better..

hope this make sense..

cheers
quest

Depends on how much of piro you want to do...

For example if you are upright tail in:

Half flip (180 rudder rotation for each half of a flip)
a half flip from there will end inverted tail in
a half flip again will go back to upright tail in

Now if you do a full flip (360 rudder rotation for each half flip)
full flip will end inverted nose in
full flip back will go back to upright tail in

Anything that is a multiple of 360 will end nose in on the first half forward flip

Now to answer your question...

Since I'm guessing you are just needing to practice half flips right now you cannot start nose in inverted and expect to end upright tail in. You will need to do a 360 piro rotation to do this. Stick to 180 rotations to start until you get the hang of it... Watch the piro flip video again and just attempt the very basic separated movements I show at the very beginning

I.E. from inverted tail in:
pull back on the stick until the nose is down
give left rudder until the tail is pointing down
push forward to level out

Half flip (180 rudder rotation for each half of a flip)
a half flip from there will end inverted tail in
a half flip again will go back to upright tail in

Now if you do a full flip (360 rudder rotation for each half flip)
full flip will end inverted nose in
full flip back will go back to upright tail in

Anything that is a multiple of 360 will end nose in on the first half forward flip

Now to answer your question...

Since I'm guessing you are just needing to practice half flips right now you cannot start nose in inverted and expect to end upright tail in. You will need to do a 360 piro rotation to do this. Stick to 180 rotations to start until you get the hang of it... Watch the piro flip video again and just attempt the very basic separated movements I show at the very beginning

I.E. from inverted tail in:
pull back on the stick until the nose is down
give left rudder until the tail is pointing down
push forward to level out

repeat that about 50 times

Hi sorry for the confusion.. Because I use the (half ) word in my explanation of the full flip..what I was trying to explain is the full flip that you explain above.. start inverted nose in and end upright tail in..

And yes.. I'm now moving back to the half flip to master it first.. before attempting the full flip again..

cheers
quest

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