If you’ve watched any of the footage of Antifa over the last year, one thing is clear. They’re serious. They think their form of activism – if you could call it that – is serious, too. They have little to no sense of humor about themselves.

With that in mind, it has been quite remarkable to watch them become an object of ridicule in venues which are known to be liberal.

Antifa Organizers Announce Plans To Disrupt Neo-Nazi Rally Or Whatever Else Going On That Day

Vowing to derail whichever event it is by any means necessary, local Antifa organizers announced plans Monday to disrupt an upcoming neo-Nazi rally or whatever else is going on that day. “We will stop at nothing to prevent these vile fucking neo-Nazi hatemongers from gathering, or, if not them, someone else,” said Sarah Jackson, 26, adding that the only way to end the spread of fascism is to physically confront Nazis, peaceful right-wing protesters, or just random people going about their daily lives.

“We need to tell these Hitler-loving fucks or whoever else is standing there, ‘Get out of our city!’ Remember, we’re talking about white supremacist terrorists, people running errands on their lunch breaks, or a group of tourists, so if we have to throw a punch or two, then so fucking be it.”

It doesn’t end there. The Daily Show, regarded by the left as their exclusive domain for mocking all things Republican has also gotten in on the act.

But it turns out they have nothing to do with the democratic party; as much as you need them to be in order to justify Trump’s attachment to Nazis, White Power & the KKK.

They are a tiny fringe group that is associated with no one in the democratize party. Name one mainstream democratic politician who has endorsed them, rationalized them or when asked didn’t disavow them emphatically. Trump, on the other hand …………..

When you openly associate yourself with a given political party by action, when members of that party- especially leaders -go out of their way to make apologies for you, yeah, y

“as much as you need them to be in order to justify Trump’s attachment to Nazis, White Power & the KKK.”

Ok, I’ll bite. WHAT ATTACHMENT TO NAZIS, WHITE POWER, OR THE KKK?

WHAT ATTACHMENT/

AT POINT HAS TRUMP EVER ATTACHED HIMSELF TO THEM? (And note the way that goes: i am not talking about scumbags in the Nazis, white Power, or the KKK attaching themselves to Trump, or at least trying to with antics like “Heil Trump.”

I am asking for a specific case in which TRUMP attached himself to any one of these. A case in which Space Shuttle Trump said something did something, or the like that explicitly showed attachment to Space Station White Powah. Got it?)

The truth is, THERE IS NO Such attachment.

Trump Watchers who are MUCH saner, more reasonable, and still critical than you like Neo-Neocon and the guy who wrote this- who was Fanatically anti-Trump- pointed out that for whatever OTHER flaws he has, there is zero indication he has a racist bone in his Body.

Firstly: “Antifa” are not a single Group, they are a bunch of different groups operating under the Banner of Antifa (what with them at least nominally being Anarcho-Synds).Much like the Black Bloc is not a single group but one doing it. In this they are even less organizated or united than the “Golden Age” Klan of the 1920’s, because at least the Sheetheads of the Roaring Twenties nominally answered to one united structure.

Secondly: They are NOT tiny. Especially not in objective numbers. I know because I actually made it my job to help track and study extremist groups. And the various petty Klans- if you added them all up together- PROBABLY can muster numbers in the low thousands NATIONWIDE, *IF* I’m being generous with how I count. (Yet good luck saying they are a tiny fringe group).

The New Black Panther Party and Nation of Islam are actually staggeringly large for an American fringe extremist group, and it at last count I know about clocked in at a staggering 40,000-50,000 or strong members or fellow travellers closely alligned enough to follow the organization’s call to action.

In contrast, Antifa mobs routinely put hundreds if not thousands of people into the field at any given event, and if we’re lucky probably have seen just under 90,000 active members across the US. If we’re not, we might have seen as many as twice that, with god knows how many “fellow travellers” or budding recruits.

THAT IS NOT TINY, STUPID.

“that is associated with no one in the democratize party.”

Bullocks.

Take a look at The Nation’s coverage of them, and the SPLC for a change.

” Name one mainstream democratic politician who has endorsed them, ”

Gladly, stupid.

Keith Ellison.

Who I assume as SIC of the Democratic Party counts enough as a “mainstream democratic politician.”

EVERY SINGLE DEMOCRATIC POLITICIAN that dared to attack Trump because he pointed out the violence and hate came from both sides in Charleston, not just the White Supremacists, in effect rationalizing away the well documented violence committed by the blackshirts against the sheetheads.

… has a remarkably consistent and admirable record over the past decades of condemning white supremacist garbage. As shown i nthe first link I mentioned, by *someone who despises Trump* but whose love of the truth and his patients outweighs his hatred, and who actually knows how to research worth a GOD DAMN compared to peddling smears.

Now, I expect you to give one Example of Trump attaching himself to one of the groups you claimed he did- and remember, that means TRUMP attaching himself to them, not the other way around, Space Shuttle Trump connecting with Space Station White Powah, not some chowderhead saying “Heil Trump”-, or for you to apologize for pedddling this and never repeat it again.

Wow. Do you really imagine that anyone here cares whether you are impressed or that we consider you or your expectations in anything, ever? That’s really something. Are you this delusional all the time or do you just save it up for our amusement?

No, but I would guess that every once in awhile, someone gets an uncomfortable though; sort of how Tom Lehrer once put it: “Like a Christian Scientist with appendicitis”

I know you can’t be correct when everything always comes down to a conspiracy by George Soros. He is, at one time and the same time, the greatest conspirator of all time and the worst at keeping it secret. I once heard a hard right type claim that Soros must be deviously evil or he would have died in the Holocaust.

It is hard not to notice that even the article you linked to named a number of cabals, but the Jewish guy gets named as the center of every alleged nefarious plot. I can’t quite remember, but don’t the Nazis and KKK have overwhelming antipathy towards a particular group? Oh, the KKK may hate blacks the most, but when it comes to whites we all know who tops their list.

So when Soros dies can we expect, in short order, the 2nd coming or will you just invent some other bogeyman that snatches the world from righteousness? Meanwhile you have left us at the mercy of a true humanitarian or if you prefer, a true man of god. What, DJT is neither?

When you openly associate yourself with a given political party by action, when members of that party- especially leaders -go out of their way to make apologies for you, yeah, y

“as much as you need them to be in order to justify Trump’s attachment to Nazis, White Power & the KKK.”

Ok, I’ll bite. WHAT ATTACHMENT TO NAZIS, WHITE POWER, OR THE KKK?

WHAT ATTACHMENT/

AT POINT HAS TRUMP EVER ATTACHED HIMSELF TO THEM? (And note the way that goes: i am not talking about scumbags in the Nazis, white Power, or the KKK attaching themselves to Trump, or at least trying to with antics like “Heil Trump.”

I am asking for a specific case in which TRUMP attached himself to any one of these. A case in which Space Shuttle Trump said something did something, or the like that explicitly showed attachment to Space Station White Powah. Got it?)

The truth is, THERE IS NO Such attachment.

Trump Watchers who are MUCH saner, more reasonable, and still critical than you like Neo-Neocon and the guy who wrote this- who was Fanatically anti-Trump- pointed out that for whatever OTHER flaws he has, there is zero indication he has a racist bone in his Body.

Firstly: “Antifa” are not a single Group, they are a bunch of different groups operating under the Banner of Antifa (what with them at least nominally being Anarcho-Synds).Much like the Black Bloc is not a single group but one doing it. In this they are even less organizated or united than the “Golden Age” Klan of the 1920’s, because at least the Sheetheads of the Roaring Twenties nominally answered to one united structure.

Secondly: They are NOT tiny. Especially not in objective numbers. I know because I actually made it my job to help track and study extremist groups. And the various petty Klans- if you added them all up together- PROBABLY can muster numbers in the low thousands NATIONWIDE, *IF* I’m being generous with how I count. (Yet good luck saying they are a tiny fringe group).

The New Black Panther Party and Nation of Islam are actually staggeringly large for an American fringe extremist group, and it at last count I know about clocked in at a staggering 40,000-50,000 or strong members or fellow travellers closely alligned enough to follow the organization’s call to action.

In contrast, Antifa mobs routinely put hundreds if not thousands of people into the field at any given event, and if we’re lucky probably have seen just under 90,000 active members across the US. If we’re not, we might have seen as many as twice that, with god knows how many “fellow travellers” or budding recruits.

THAT IS NOT TINY, STUPID.

“that is associated with no one in the democratize party.”

Nonsense.

Take a look at The Nation’s coverage of them, and the SPLC for a change.

” Name one mainstream democratic politician who has endorsed them, ”

Gladly.

Keith Ellison.

Who I assume as SIC of the Democratic Party counts enough as a “mainstream democratic politician.”

EVERY SINGLE DEMOCRATIC POLITICIAN that dared to attack Trump because he pointed out the violence and hate came from both sides in Charleston, not just the White Supremacists, in effect rationalizing away the well documented violence committed by the blackshirts against the sheetheads.

… has a remarkably consistent and admirable record over the past decades of condemning white supremacist garbage. As shown i nthe first link I mentioned, by *someone who despises Trump* but whose love of the truth and his patients outweighs his hatred, and who actually knows how to research worth a GOD DAMN compared to peddling smears.

Now, I expect you to give one Example of Trump attaching himself to one of the groups you claimed he did- and remember, that means TRUMP attaching himself to them, not the other way around, Space Shuttle Trump connecting with Space Station White Powah, not some chowderhead saying “Heil Trump”-, or for you to apologize for pedddling this and never repeat it again.

They have at least as much to do with the Democratic Party as any nazi, white supremacist, or KKK person has to do with the Republican Party. Much more, actually.

as much as you need them to be in order to justify Trump’s attachment to Nazis, White Power & the KKK.

Now that is an outright f—ing lie. If you said that to Trump’s face he’d have every right to punch you.

They are a tiny fringe group that is associated with no one in the democratize party. Name one mainstream democratic politician who has endorsed them, rationalized them or when asked didn’t disavow them emphatically.

The mayor of Berkeley, a Democrat, is one of them, though just recently he’s started to realise it doesn’t look good.

Trump, on the other hand …………..

Trump, on the other hand, what?. He has never once endorsed or rationalized them, or when asked failed disavow them emphatically (leaving aside the time he had a senior moment and forgot who the **** David Duke was).

Nothing I say would justify Trump punching me in the face, you idiot. If he were to punch me in the face, he would be committing battery and opening himself to a lawsuit.

The Mayor of Berkeley? You win the rhetorical award for triviality – assuming that is even true. I guess I should have specified a figure of national import; unless you wish to equate Trump with the mayor of Berkeley.

Trump has been coy and ambiguous with his comments about the extreme right-wing. Dismiss it if you wish. This isn’t an academic debate. Trump has made his sympathies well know with a wink and a nod. If that makes you uncomfortable, take it up with Trump. My guess is you are more upset with reading it, than with knowing it. The PR isn’t so pleasant – but Trump has a habit of ‘dog whistling’.

Nothing I say would justify Trump punching me in the face, you idiot. If he were to punch me in the face, he would be committing battery and opening himself to a lawsuit.

He would indeed, but he would be 100% justified, and no jury would award you more than $1.

The Mayor of Berkeley? You win the rhetorical award for triviality – assuming that is even true. I guess I should have specified a figure of national import; unless you wish to equate Trump with the mayor of Berkeley.

It is indeed true. Moving the goalposts, I see. Well, just go back a week and two weeks and there is no shortage of nationally prominent Democrats pointedly refusing to distance themselves. At most they condemn the violence while praising the thugs who commit it.

Trump has been coy and ambiguous with his comments about the extreme right-wing.

The “extreme right wing” is neither violent nor racist.

Dismiss it if you wish. This isn’t an academic debate. Trump has made his sympathies well know with a wink and a nod. If that makes you uncomfortable, take it up with Trump. My guess is you are more upset with reading it, than with knowing it. The PR isn’t so pleasant – but Trump has a habit of ‘dog whistling’.

This is a pack of outright lies. It’s funny that dog whistles are supposed to be audible only to dogs, and yet it seems that Republican alleged “dog whistles” are audible only to Democrats.

See “fighting words”. Also see Bill Buckley’s reaction when Gore Vidal called him a “crypto-nazi”.

And if you thought I didn’t understand that “dog whistle” is a metaphor then you’re a lot stupider than you seem. My comment makes it very obvious that I do understand that, which is exactly how I destroyed it.

“Noah began by noting that antifa had many different dimensions, including peaceful activism and unmasking white supremacists. But he denounced the increasing use of violence at Antifa demonstrations.”

Noah says it all in his own words! Let me translate for you…
We really liked them until the camera caught them and we don’t want to be publically attached to you.

Color supremacy is to one-child as [color] diversity is to selective-child. Both groups deny individual dignity (e.g. judge people by the “color” of their skin) and should be shunned by moral people. The “selective-child” group, as other Pro-Choice factions, is worse, because they represent a normalized state of judging individuals by the “color of their skin”, which denies individual dignity, thereby representing a progressive condition in a society.

The antifascists facists. Left vs Left. Hopefully, the Left will lose.

Yes, we all know that you are obsessed to distraction with sex performed for other than procreation. I’ll bet you spend a lot of time ‘studying’ pornography and ‘self-testing’ the things you despise just to make sure. Is that how you get to be a self-proclaimed expert?

How much do you think it takes to pile into a beat up van and crash on someone’s floor? Do you think ‘Soros’ is funding them? I am all in favor of following the money as long as you follow Trump’s money, too.

Well, if a dozen black shirts were showing up at these events, you might have a point. However several dozen to several hundred such people show up to these events. This takes communication, coordination and, transportation. All of this costs money. Now, Antifa does not have a GoFundMe account, of which I am aware. Nor does it seem to have any fund raising organ at all. So, one has to ask, were is the money to allow these people to operate all over the country come from?

Even a couple of hundred is not a lot of people to be dedicated to some extreme ideology – assuming there were that many.

All you have in innuendo. At least the liberals, democrats, whatever are disavowing them. Soros funds a lot of organizations that claim to be in favor of democracy – maybe not your idea of democracy. He is quite open about it. Maybe he has a secret arm that supports more nefarious groups. But so far your speculation is just that.

BTW, during the anti-war movement we would pile 20 people into a van and drive from NYC to DC for a demonstration – like the one where Nixon he didn’t care and would be watching football. Someone would put us up and we would make a big bowl of pasta. So when I suggested that, it was because I know it can be done and it can be done for virtually no money. These people are anarchists. They don’t need much to do what they do.

Now, could you get Trump to disavow the neo-Nazis and quasi-Klan. Please don’t tell me he already has. There was so much hemming and hawing, backtracking and false equivalency that it was just BS. Like everything else about Trump. I am just waiting for him to weasel out on DACA.

“But it’s actually worth taking a look at those contexts. In 2000, Trump was already considering running for President. His friend Jesse Ventura suggested he seek the Presidential nomination of Ross Perot’s Reform Party. Trump agreed and started putting together a small campaign (interesting historical trivia: he wanted Oprah Winfrey as a running mate). But after some infighting in the Reform Party, Ventura was kicked out in favor of a faction led by populist Pat Buchanan, who had some support from David Duke. Trump closed his presidential bid, saying: “The Reform Party now includes a Klansman, Mr. Duke, a neo-Nazi, Mr. Buchanan, and a communist, Ms. Fulani. This is not company I wish to keep.” Later he continued to condemn the party, saying “You’ve got David Duke just joined — a bigot, a racist, a problem. I mean, this is not exactly the people you want in your party.”

So we have Trump – who loudly condemned Duke before February 28th, and who loudly condemned Duke after February 28th – saying on February 28th that he wanted to “look into” who David Duke was before refusing his (non-existent) endorsement.”

” There was so much hemming and hawing, backtracking”

No, not really.

As the guy who wrote the link above shows. Compared to most chowderheads on the Left regarding the likes of Soros, Antifa, and other groups Trump has been markedly consistent about his opposition to white Power groups.

As you might have guessed from the fact that he’s basically a New York Democrat when you draw down into it.

” and false equivalency-”

In order to make charges of false equivalency, the equivalency has to be FALSE.

In the case of Charleston, that was absolutely not true. No matter what you farqing think of Richard Spencer and the “Heil Trump” gits- and it is Nott nearly as harsh as my own opinion- they have the same republican, innate right to spew their garbage in an orderly and legal fashion.

“Bash the Fash” and “Punch a N&zi” are not appropriate stances for a peaceful gathering, even if that peaceful gathering amounts to scumbags. And yet Antifa and related groups came together with hundreds of thugs to start a fight.

You and your fellow scumsuckers want to turn Trump’s announcement about Charleston into some kind of defense of White Power goons, but the fact was that it wasn’t, and it was a perfectly reasoned response to what happened.

“that it was just BS. ”

Then pray tell mem, what does Kamala Harris’s refusal to condemn Antifa when pressed amount to? What does Keith Ellison’s insistence that the Charleston Gons represented the very best tradtions of America?

“Like everything else about Trump. I am just waiting for him to weasel out on DACA.”

The problem with your logic is that it fails to address the fact that 100-200 masked Antifa people are showing up at every event and these events stretch from coast to coast. To house, feed and ove these people over any significant distance over and over requires money. And, it is unlikely that the members of this organization are working steady jobs and paying their own way.

See, most activist organizations have some kind of fund raising arm. Even Greenpeace raised funding foe their activities. Antifa has no visible fund raising organization. Neither did its predecessors, Occupy Wall Street, and the FTAA protests in 2003. The anarchist groups involved seem to have no fund raising organs at all. The only fund raising that is done is by Anarchist publications and that is restricted to paying for the continuance of the publication. So, the question then becomes, who is funding these anarchist demonstrations? The same is rue of BLM and most communist organizations. They may have limited contributions from members otherwise they do not seem to have any source of finances. Yet, leaders of these organizations seem to be well paid, well fed, housed and to have transportation to various speaking gigs and appearances. This costs money and someone is paying the freight. Follow the money and you will find out what this is all about.

Do you actually know anything or are you simply picking a rich Jewish guy because he contributes to liberal causes? If you were Sherlock Holmes and you really could eliminate all other possibilities, you would have a case. But you haven’t. If I stipulated that someone is funding them, how could you possibly know who it is.

Besides, you are dead wrong about ‘Occupy Wall Street’. I visited Zuccotti Park. They got by on a shoestring. People funded their own way to the park. They had to work to stay. Once it was established, they got small donations from all kinds of people. I dropped a couple of few bucks in the pot and I thought they were stupid. Unlike the Tea Party they eschewed political action. How were they going to effect change?

If you want to believe it, I can’t stop you. But I have to tell you that I have heard an awful lot of conspiracy theories put out by the left. I didn’t buy them either.

Someone on this site gave me chapter and verse on how Obama couldn’t possibly have been born in this country. If you buy that, I have just wasted my time.

Now, could you get Trump to disavow the neo-Nazis and quasi-Klan. Please don’t tell me he already has. There was so much hemming and hawing, backtracking and false equivalency that it was just BS.

He already has. Many times. There was no more hemming or hawing than his usual vagueness about everything, there was no backtracking, but there was true equivalency.

It’s Democrats’ insistence that there is no equivalence between the two sides in Charlottesville, and that every person on the alt-right is evil while the left-wing thugs who outnumber them at least 10 to 1 are good people at heart with a noble cause which they pursue somewhat stupidly, that’s a true scandal. These people are enemies of America and of all decent people, and Democrats must accept that or people will know where their hearts are.

Not at all. It is the explicit claim of every Democratic spokesman and every single one of Trump’s critics on the left that there were no good or decent people among the demonstrators in Charlottesville, and there are no good or decent people on the alt-right. That the mere holding of alt-right views automatically makes a person evil, whereas holding ctl-left views does not, and only the violent acts that sometimes accompany those views are wrong.

That the ctl-left vastly outnumbers the alt-right — especially if the latter is defined by white supremacist views — is obvious and clearly visible every time either side holds a demonstration. The total population of neo-nazis, klansmen, etc. in the entire country is probably no more than 2000, and they can rarely get more than 20 in one place. The various “Occupy” events a few years ago involved many times that many people, as did those who show up to riot at Trump events, global summits, campus speeches by anyone they don’t like, Evergreen, Missouri, Ferguson, et many many cetera.

BLM is an inherently racist, violent, and illegitimate group numbering supporters in the tens of thousands, founded on idolizing and whitewashing human garbage like Michael Browne and Trayvon Martin, and dedicated to spreading the false proposition that there are policemen who think that the lives of ordinary decent black people don’t matter. Talk about strawmen. There is no significant set of Americans who think that, whether in police forces or anywhere else. (What many people do think, correctly, is that the lives of vicious thugs, of any color, don’t matter, and the world is a better place when they are removed from it. They chose to become thugs and remove themselves from the civilized comunity.)

I didn’t pick ANYONE, let alone a rich Jewish guy, for anything. Perhaps you have some knowledge of who is financing these groups which I don’t. Of course, given your apparent participation in anti-government activism spanning many decades, you may well have such knowledge.

Now. let’s deal with financing of specific events, shall we. As you know, apparently having been in the biz for a long time, all organized protest events are composed to two distinct groups. One is the rank and file loons who flock to these things and usually simply take up space are a nuisance. The second group is comprised of the organizational staff. This is usually professional or semi-professional, paid agitators. They receive compensation [money] to organize and facilitate these large scale protest events. These events are usually presented as some grass roots, largely spontaneous event, even though they are usually well organized and well advertised. And, of course, the quisling media goes along with this hoax.

In any staged disruptive event, or movement, which impacts a large portion of the population, the economy or the government always follow the money. Usually, someone [be it an individual or a group] is funding the core actors involved. The most heavily involved groups during the Veitnam War anti-war movement were; Students for a Democratic Society (SDS), Committee for Sane Nuclear Policy (SANE), War Resisters League (WRL), Committee for Nonviolent Direct Action (CNVA), the Vietnam Moratorium Committee, Clergy and Laity Concerned (CALC), the Youth International Party (Yippies), and the Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW). All, except the VVAW were heavily supported by communist organizations, which back then meant the KGB. The funding for the VVAW is not publicly known. But, they apparently had substantial funding after 1969. Though a very small, largely unknown organization until the election of Richard Nixon, is mysteriously gained large resources, both monetary and membership following Nixon’s election. Sound familiar? Follow the money, grasshopper. Always follow the money.

Perhaps you have some knowledge of who is financing these groups which I don’t. Of course, given your apparent participation in anti-government activism spanning many decades, you may well have such knowledge.

Yeh, I have knowledge of who is doing the financing. They all have me on speed dial. But, since I am a billionaire, I kicked in a little, too.

What? Are you the last holdout who thinks the Vietnam War was a good thing? Bedsides, you were involved in anti-government activity, too. By your definition if you opposed Obama, you were anti-government.

@Evil Otto – Prove what? The assertion at the head of this thread is that Antifa is funded by Soros. I asked for proof and the closest to proof was ‘He must be’. So I said ‘Trump is funding the Nazis’. I will prove it right after anyone on this site proves that Soros funds Antifa.

Don’t you look at Berkley and wonder how the various “front guard” profa happened to have nearly identical shields? All saying the same thing, all with pictures of kittens or puppies? Shrug, maybe you don’t wonder about that kind of thing, but profa is not grassroots and organic. These insanely violent radicals are being organized, provided illegal, mass-produced shields and direction in how to conduct themselves, etc. Is their primary funder Soros? Probably. His history is replete with instances of backing violent insurrection to topple governments (that’s how he made much of his billions), and he definitely, demonstrably funded Occupy and BLM. I dd some posts on this, so be sure to read them and follow the links.

I read the hit piece you linked to. “ultra-secretive Democracy Alliance” that the author knows all about. Why don’t they kill him?

I guess if you throw enough mud, some my stick when viewed by people where special ‘red mud detection’ glasses.

He allegedly supports an organization that allegedly launders money for an allegedly subversive organization – and here’s the killer. He gave amounts in the high thousands! My god, he has give 100K since 2004! That is almost 8K per year!

He is a currency manipulator! Not a speculator. I guess being a speculator would have been OK.

He is also guilty by association – twice removed!

OWS ran on

a grand total of $435,000 from all sources, including donations made by individuals online and in person, according to reports

Oh YellowSnake/ORDA, you are so cute with your wildly-undisciplined and disorganized “defense” of Soros. It’s the sort of thing that tugs at my heart strings . . . kind of like a wee bitty baby cooing and pointing in the general direction of pretty mobile pictures circling above their crib before becoming distracted by their own foot or belly button.

It’s a genuine pleasure to have you here. Nothing so confirms the rightness of the right as an unhinged leftist burbling nonsense day after day. My very favorite thing right now is how everything the left does consolidates not just Trump’s support but the general feeling in fly-over country that the nation’s regressive and leftist elites are out-of-touch, sneering, and floundering.

By all means, keep tilting at windmills, keep attempting to divide us even on the scale of the LI community. It’s not working, but it’s highly amusing.

Speaking of funding, did you ever wonder who funds the Phelps Family Travelling Circus? The idea that they fund themselves by suing those who are provoked to beat them up is popular but not really tenable if you think about it for more than a few seconds. There are very few such incidents, and those who do it are unlikely to have significant assets, and if they were raking it on on the sort of scale they’d need to fund their activities there’d be public legal records. So where is their funding really coming from?

Don’t forget that they are genuine Democrats, with deep and official roots in the mainstream Democratic Party, unlike Lyndon LaRouche who was never welcome there (or David Duke who was never welcome in the GOP). When did they stop being Democrats; or did they? Buzzsawmonkey is convinced they never did, and that from the very beginning they’ve been a Democratic front, paid to cast discredit on religious people and Republicans.

It is almost, because that is how the conservative movement does it. Limbaugh says something and then Hannity, et al. The problem is that Trump doesn’t read memos or anything else. That is weird – you elected a man who often shoots his mouth off without reading the memo.

All I have is rumor, but predictions among the kiddies started a while back that ANTIFA was going to get thrown under the bus. The alleged reason is that they had been thoroughly infiltrated by the FBI and were headed for some serious prosecutions.

All the facts I have are that 1) there is a LOT of video of the recent riots, 2) there are people with the patience and the ability to identify masked miscreants in crowds, and 3) members of ANTIFA insulted some of the people in 2).

According to my local paper, the ANTIFA involvement in riots has been a total non-story, to the point that a local member of the citizen’s advisory board wrote an op-ed praising their rioting in Charlottesville. However, even the local newspaper has recognized that the Berkeley mayor is responsible for keeping the peace. If they ever get around to covering ANTIFA’s activities, public opinion will turn. ANTIFA is unAmerican.

Berkeley black bloc antifa Maoists are the military arm of the California democratic party. Think IRA sans the charming accent. Thousands upon thousands of hooded militant psychopaths living in the SF bay area. Nancy Pelosi said not a damn word last summer when Yvette Felarca and BAMN went on an assault spree. Kowtow to Herr Jerry Brown or get the leftist COEXIST fist mashed into your stomach. California Uber Alles!

And now we’re supposed to be grateful that ofay Manhattanite white-boy leftist apparatchiks deign take notice? How frak’n big of them. So comforting to know that they kinda-sorta-maybe object to their school teacher-professor bullyboys pepper spraying innocent gawkers and smacking people in the face with ten pound U-shaped cudgels.

Make the democratic party eat this everyday for bfast, lunch and dinner. Own it, fascist sympathizers. Go slap a few Guy Fawkes masks off your hater pals. Stop lending tacit approval. Take responsibilty for this monster you’ve constructed.

First, it is not an official organ of any political party. This organization is composed of a number of groups, mostly anarchists and communists [the real hard core kind, not Sanders supporters or Russians]. It exists to destroy the US. It is being funded from a source or sources which has deep pockets. Also, it seems to have some type of central control organization. And, its core organization has been around for at least twenty years. It was initially an anti-capitalist/Western Civilization [anarchist] movement. With the inclusion of the communists, the social grievance groups, such as BLM and others, and other liberal protest groups its influence has increased.

Second, though it is not a true arm of the Democrat party, the Democrats embraced Antifa’s actions as a means to obstruct the Trump agenda and to discredit his election by making it look as if there were widespread grassroots opposition to him. Whether the Democrat party actually provides direct logistical support to these groups is unknown. But, the Dems supported Antifa’s actions and now share responsibility for those actions.

Third, Antifa is very dangerous. Its goal is to foment unrest and a violent push back from conservative groups. So far, the violence has been quite light from the right. This has caused Antifa to ratchet up it violence by attacking any group.

Fourth, Antifa operates mainly in areas where they can count upon support from liberal local politicians [mostly Democrats] and news media. And, they were getting that support in those areas.

What happened is that the Democrat party and the liberal establishment does not control the Antifa hierarchy. What control exists is not in their hands. So, Antifa continued pursuing its own agenda, which is not strictly the removal of Donald Trump, but the destruction of the USA and Western Civilization. And, in so doing, it made a classic mistake. It alienated one of its strongest supporters, the media, especially the liberal media. As soon as Antifa began attacking reporters, they became the Antichrist in the eyes of the media. With diminishing, or no, media support, liberal politicians have to disavow the organization.

But, it is doubtful that Antifa will go away, or even significantly reduce its violent actions. The threat of expanded violence, such as bombings and mass shootings is very real. As more radicals are drawn into the Antifa sphere, the ability of any rational leadership within the organization to control its affiliates lessens. Antifa is very, very dangerous. This is why the current strategy of the liberal establishment is to ridicule Antifa. It is designed to present this alliance of radicals as just an amusing summertime diversion. And, if and when Antifa does something really heinous, the libs, including the Democrat Party, can say they never realized that they were such a threat and that they denounced them early.

Until the Trump campaign it wasn’t “quite light”, it was practically non-existent. Some Trump supporters, with his initial encouragement, introduced violence on the right, where it had been unknown. Naturally they weren’t nearly as good at it as the radical left, which has had long experience with violence and is therefore much more skilled, as well as more numerous.

BTW there is a sort of informal organizational link between the violent movement now calling itself “antifa” and the Democratic Party, via the SEIU. There’s some overlap between these two violent groups, with some shared thugs.

I would say it is still practically non-existent, unless one agrees to label a misplaced banana peel in Mississippi as “violence”.

Almost every claim of “right wing violence” has turned out to be either a) a hoax carried out by either a leftist, or someone out for insurance money, b) some thug lamely reacting to an assault of some sort by some other thug, or c) a ridiculously ordinary interaction made to look like it is something nefarious by a media that is desperately scouring the country every day for something, anything, they can call “right wing violence”.

I mean come on, any Saturday night bar fight has more punches thrown than all of the supposed “right wing violence”, cumulative, over the last year across this entire country.

I’m mainly thinking of the violence at Trump rallies, that Trump openly encouraged, and that Creamer famously took advantage of by sending people to provoke it.

(No, he did not send people to engage in violence. The Veritas videos show him talking of sending people to be beaten by stupid violent Trump supporters, in order to provide material for Democratic propaganda. They were under strict orders not to start anything themselves. The whole point was to be the victims. Unfortunately they were often successful.)

Down votes? They are a badge of honor. All I am trying to do is offer is an antidote to Group Think. Have you not noticed the decidedly right spin of the articles and the comments?

How does a comment that, for instance, says “Every liberal thinks like X or Y or Z” get an up vote? For 1 thing, it is unoriginal and hardly worthy of a comment at all. For another, I don’t know 2 liberals who think alike. That is not written with any claim of pride. It is just that people who generally agree, still disagree of tactics or specific points. They listen to different sources, have different degrees of skepticism and different experiences.

To guys act like you root for a sports team and your team is the best and anytime you lose it is because the referees were blind or cheated. If it makes you feel better, believe that. Personally I prefer reality which is much more complicated and messy.

If I recall correctly it was well-documented that Soros funded the riots in Ferguson

You don’t recall correctly and claims made by biased right-wing media that distorted the purpose of Mr. Soros’ contributions and have purposely misrepresented and misunderstood Ferguson protests and BLM, with malice, do not constitute fact – just a self-serving scenario.

Your denials, like the rest of what you say, won’t wash. Kenneth Zimmerman, the head of George Soros’ misnamed “Open Society Foundation” publicly and openly admitted that Soros had supplied the funding for them.

Unlike you, I can do actual research:

“Buses of activists from the Samuel Dewitt Proctor Conference in Chicago; from the Drug Policy Alliance, Make the Road New York and Equal Justice USA from New York; from Sojourners, the Advancement Project and Center for Community Change in Washington; and networks from the Gamaliel Foundation — all funded in part by Mr. Soros — descended on Ferguson starting in August and later organized protests and gatherings in the city until late last month.”

The entire Ferguson enterprise was illegitimate. The protests were illegitimate. Sure, people have the right to peacefully protest anything they like. (They don’t have the right to block traffic while doing so; that’s not peaceful.) Klansmen have the right to protest the election of a black president, and BLM has the right to protest a policeman’s refusal to let himself be murdered. But both causes are equally illegitimate, and when they erupt into violence, even by a fringe, everyone who came to support this illegitimate cause in the first place shares responsibility for the result. Peaceful BLMers are no different from peaceful Klansmen, who would never throw a punch themselves, and tut-tut those who do throw them, but understand the motivation for it.

I guess you didn’t read my citation. You don’t have to agree with it, but you do need to read it before attempting to refute it. You provide no citations (not one). Are your quotes from primary sources or right-wing paraphrases that misrepresent or willfully misunderstand the original?

It is your opinion that the OSF is misnamed.

Apparently your ‘research’ lumped together organizations with different goals and different tactics – a common fallacy of a propagandist. I am personally familiar with Sojourners – decidedly non-violent; and the Drug Policy Alliance – education and lobbying (non-violent).

descended on Ferguson starting in August and later organized protests and gatherings in the city until late last month.”

So what? The right of peaceful assembly and to petition the government is guaranteed by the 1st Amendment. Which of these organizations were part of Antifa, wore black masks and engaged in violence? Most of those who ‘descended’ were engaged in peaceful, lawful protest. You simply lumped anyone whom you disagree with into the small group that engaged in illegal activities. Do you have any evidence that Soros, knowingly, financed or provided transportation for anyone in Antifa?

If anything, you have shown me that you are intolerant, a tool, pass on misinformation by rote, and did no research of your own from primary sources

You placed quotation marks on statements that were not verbatim quotes or you quoted 2nd hand items that you read, heard or saw on suspect, partisan and inflammatory sources.

The financial tether from Mr. Soros to the activist groups gave rise to a combustible protest movement that transformed a one-day criminal event in Missouri into a 24-hour-a-day national cause celebre.

Soros-sponsored organizations helped mobilize protests in Ferguson, building grass-roots coalitions on the ground backed by a nationwide online and social media campaign.

Other Soros-funded groups made it their job to remotely monitor and exploit anything related to the incident that they could portray as a conservative misstep, and to develop academic research and editorials to disseminate to the news media to keep the story alive.

First of all it was not a one-day criminal event. The rioting lasted much longer than one day, and the violence this movement has spawned elsewhere still goes on, including the murders of policemen in Dallas, Baton Rouge, and NYC.

Second, the “exoneration” of Soros consists entirely of the assertions that (1) since “quite obviously does not personally oversee and approve every single grant made by the OSF network”, therefore he couldn’t have overseen or approved these grants; and that (2) just because “such groups may have received part of their funding from the OSF network doesn’t mean those funds were given for the specific purpose of organizing Ferguson-related protests, or with the knowledge or intent they would be used thusly”. It doesn’t necessarily mean that, but it doesn’t mean they weren’t either. All this amounts to is that we can’t prove Soros was personally involved, or that even his flunkies intentionally did this, which is to say the evidence is circumstantial, not direct. Circumstantial evidence is often enough even for a criminal conviction, but it’s certainly enough for public discourse. Most cases of alleged public corruption are based on nothing more than this sort of inference. Certainly the ridiculous allegations that Trump or his campaign were somehow complicit in the cracking of the DNC and Podesta email accounts is based on nothing more than a very weak inference chain of this sort.

Black bloc antifa Maoists are in fact connected to the national democratic party in exactly the same way the ‘little green men’ of Crimea and Donbas are connected to Putin. Credit flows through cutouts and NGO’s from off shore bank accounts which then distribute those illicit funds to ATM accounts in the US.

Yellowsnake is an amusing f***. How dare we generalize about the left while he generalizes about everyone who isn’t left. How dare we accuse the Democrats of having anything to do with antifa while he acts like it’s a given that Trump is funding neo-Nazis and white supremacists.

If I were to try to come up with a computer simulation of the utter absurdity of the left, I couldn’t do better than you, Yellowsnake.

@Milhouse Apparently you don’t know what a Strawman argument is since you keep doing it. You put words in my mouth or democrats or anyone else you want to attack and then you triumphantly (/sarcasm) knock those arguments down. Is that the best you’ve got? Then you better stick to this little playpen. Do you think you are smart – your mama must have told you that you were a cute little snowflake!

Not at all. It is the explicit claim of every Democratic spokesman and every single one of Trump’s critics on the left that there were no good or decent people among the demonstrators in Charlottesville, and there are no good or decent people on the alt-right.

explicit claim of every Democratic spokesman and every single one of Trump’s critics on the left Every? That is a pretty broad claim. You have reviewed every Democratic spokesman? Were those official spokesmen or unofficial. You listened or read everyone? I pity you.

Perhaps there were decent people marching among the ones who wore swastikas and KKK emblems and the ones chanting “We will not be replaced by Jews.” But if they were decent, they wouldn’t have wanted to be associated with those who were not ‘good ones’ and should have dropped out; and signaling their disapproval of the goons.

Decent people among the alt-right? That is a hard sell. The term was coined by bigots and provocateurs.

I am curious – if the Antifa was so large among the counter-protestors and so violent, how many were arrested and how many fascists did Antifa put in the hospital? More than zero?

Yes, the fascists were the ones playing storm trooper. I know you guys have a new meme about how communists and fascists are one in the same. I hope that keeps you warms at night. But to reverse Gertrude Stein: A Nazi or a Klansman by any other name would smell as foul.

I gather you are a lawyer. I pity your clients. I hope you carry a lot of malpractice insurance (assuming you can qualify) because your arguments are juvenile, facile and disingenuous. It is tedious to try to educate someone of you tiny caliber.

By your own admission you were actively engaged in “protesting” the Vietnam War and have been present at other anti-government activities. So, you might have more personal knowledge that I have cnocerning who bankrolls these organizations and activities.

As to thinking the Vietnam War was a GOOD thing, good is always relative. In the case of the Vietnam War, the original goals of the war, stopping the communist conquest of South Vietnam and the rest of Indochina would seem worthwhile. However, just as with the prosecution of the Iraq War, in 2003, the prosecution of the war was sadly horrible. General Giap spoke candidly, following the end of the war. He said that North Vietnam was actively drafting proposals for a DRV capitulation to include a NV/SV division similar to that in Korea, following the disastrous Tet Offensive. However, first LBJ and then Nixon removed the pressure from the North and allowed them to rearm and back away from capitulation and continue prosecuting the war. Of course, following the fall of the South, communist regime rose in Cambodia.

But, my point concerning the Vietnam War anti-war movement was that it was heavily financed by various groups who had another agenda. In the case of the VVAW, their funding and anti-war activities increased exponentially upon the election of Richard Nixon, a Republican President. And, some notible future Democratic leaders, such as John Kerry were highly visible members of the VVAW. makes you wonder where all of the money came from, doesn’t it?

As to merely being opposed to the actions of Barack Obama being involved in Anti-government activities, this is ludicrous. Engaging in disruptive public demonstrations against the government or specific government policies IS engaging in anti-government actions. Simply stating that you are opposed to the actions of the government is not.

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