Perhaps you aren't aware, people in LFR are the vast majority of the 'raiders'... its those dollars that they invest in Warcraft that ALLOW the development of raids, the content you so preciously covet. Do you truly think that if LFR didn't exist that you'd have 5 raids and 16 bosses to kill in MOP? If you do, then you are delusional.

Awesome and massive raids have existed way before LFR. Your argument is invalid.

Yes I would not go lfr if they removed loot, I don't need much atm because I have most of what I need but I only do lfr for the gear in order to help my guild progress faster in new tiers, hell as a warrior I used coins in order to get weapn from elegon
However I do not enchant etc if I know said lfr items would be replaced fast.
I acctually wish I had enchanting to de the few items I don't need

like original Naxx where I think it was like, what, 3% of all guilds in the game ever cleared it, with only marginally more actually stepping foot inside

I think people that raid forget that, especially when all the dedicated sites generally point you towards raiding (all dps & gear guides are 90% raiding guides and maybe 10% PVP). Forums like this are classic for people thumping their chest and saying they raided this or that.

In reality, it's more likely 5-10% of the people that play WOW actually raid and I might be slightly generous.

Sounds like you are trying to portray an elitist raider who is very jealous of the casual player. Anyone who has ever raided knows you have to put in triple the effort or more to get the tiny item level upgrades that sets hardcore endgame raiders apart from the casual players. Your signature displays a character with a lower item level than 6 of my alts..(I am the Queen of casual players as I retired from hardcore raiding years ago). You should update your sig or have a real raider do your posting

*Late answer, didnt see before now* This is a message forum my friend - A forum with inactive players, and active. Also I have raided every tier since 1# on varying schuduels/levels (Nothing super hard-core trough at all Id say), thanks.

One reason for WoW decline I often hear is that its an old game and naturally people get bored with it. But TV is much older and people still watch that. Surely if a thing you once enjoyed keept staying fun, you would still use it?

I think people that raid forget that, especially when all the dedicated sites generally point you towards raiding (all dps & gear guides are 90% raiding guides and maybe 10% PVP). Forums like this are classic for people thumping their chest and saying they raided this or that.

In reality, it's more likely 5-10% of the people that play WOW actually raid and I might be slightly generous.

I think people need to realize this more than anything. Even if masses of raiders are leaving it's nothing to the overall population.

Why perform such a useless, cynical test? Honestly, how people can care so much about others getting inferior loot from inferior PVE experiences, is beyond me.

Remove gear from all difficulties and see the reaction, if anything. That'd be interesting.

My collection of mounts
WoW without flying is like having a pizza you know that you enjoy but then have someone treating you like a moron and telling you that "No, you won't enjoy THESE particular toppings for reasons WE made up". And some people are dumb enough to accept being told what to like.

Think about this logically for a moment or two. More subscribers equals more income. Yes? More income means more available resources for development. Yes? If they are trying to attract folks to a certain 'feature' they develop it more. Yes?

It is logical and reasonable that they want more subscribers... so they are producing more content... if you stiffle the subscriber growth, then you are cutting your income stream then you WONT HAVE MORE CONTENT.[/QUOTE

What you are reffering to exactly? developing more content and different development philosphy. I was reffering to the second. You?

If loot was removed, and Blizzards statement would be "It's there to let you see content, not use as a loot pinata"

What would be the communitys reaction?
Discuss.

It should come with the following:
"Heroic raids are about wanting an additional challenge that caters to the needs of a tiny sliver of the playerbase, the challenge and titles are rewards in of themselves, and heroic raids will no longer drop improved loot over their regular versions"

I think people would leave or at least stop running lfr in large part. My hope is that they actually do this. I mean they're not stupid enough to actually do it ( at least I don't think) but they really ought to if they want to be honest about this whole lfr is for content bullshit and furthermore their 10/25 shared lock out crap. They won't do it because it's suicide but at the same time if they want to be consistent they really ought to do exactly that. Or make it share a lockout with 10 and 25.