Obama and Liberals are a Threat

Understood. Of course, depending on where you live in Idaho you could be quite isolated. I live near DC. The most congested area around. The cool
thing is that there is so much diversity that you can be comfortable being what you want and beleiving what you want. First rule is to turn off the
TV. Second rule is dont go to the Mall.

Yeah, we are going to make everything legal and at the same time try to make you healthy and feed you. the reason for that is because Liberals have a
more difficult time sleeping at night knowing people are oppressed, abused and hungry than Republicans do. Look at the agendas of the 2 parties. The
birth control issue is a classic example. One is against birth control on this planet. That's just plain stupid.

One is against conservation.

One is against equality.

One gives the front seat to corporate interest and makes the public ride shotgun.

The other is the opposite of that and yes it is corrupted as well because "people" can be corrupted.
But it is the agenda we are paying attention to. The people come and go while the agenda stays the same.
War and world domination no matter what the cost. Yeah - that's an agenda.

Originally posted by darkbake
I used to be a liberal. I used to be an atheist. I used to be a feminist. And I still might be. But after seeing how these three things are causing
society to decay first-hand, I am under the impression that however ideal these ideologies might be, they are not going to actually work. I am
starting to doubt.

Does anyone remember what happened with Hitler or Stalin? They both had great ideas, they were out to help humanity, to make the world a better place,
to create God's gift to society, they had followers, they were worshiped, they believed in their ideologies so firmly that they thought everyone else
was expendable or insane for not following their beliefs. But once they started implementing their plans, things went terribly wrong.

Has anyone seen Obama speak? I saw him speak in person, and immediately made the connection. I didn't vote that year but I told all of my friends I
voted for Obama in order to avoid being disowned. Try having a reasonable discussion about feminism or religion in this country right now and see what
happens.

The same thing could be happening in America. It's not anyone's fault who is a Democrat, they are kind-hearted people. But in the words of Admiral
Akbar, "It's a trap!"

Anyway, I've written pro-feminist posts on here, pro-atheist posts on here, anti-religious posts on here, whatever, this is just a reaction to
finally getting fed up with all of the B.S. I've gone through in the current emerging society.

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Put the rat mask on her! Put the rat mask on her!

Quit looking for people to blame. Liberals are no more a threat than Libertarians or Republicans. The threat is small minded people who take political
issues so seriously they start placing human value on someone based on whether they agree politically. Sounds like you jumped from one side of the
ring to the other... Just get out of the ring. It's all fake and it's all pathetic. Arguing politics is like like arguing on the internet, and we
all know that meme.

Think for yourself. Discover yourself. Ignore the voices that say you should think like them.

Yeah, we are going to make everything legal and at the same time try to make you healthy and feed you. the reason for that is because Liberals have a
more difficult time sleeping at night knowing people are oppressed, abused and hungry than Republicans do. Look at the agendas of the 2 parties. The
birth control issue is a classic example. One is against birth control on this planet. That's just plain stupid.

One is against conservation.

One is against equality.

One gives the front seat to corporate interest and makes the public ride shotgun.

The other is the opposite of that and yes it is corrupted as well because "people" can be corrupted.
But it is the agenda we are paying attention to. The people come and go while the agenda stays the same.
War and world domination no matter what the cost. Yeah - that's an agenda.

Prime example of why I have problems with extremism. It is the use of that word "MAKE" as in "we are going to make you" that immediately sets of
alarms.

I view poilitics as a circle where at the top and just a bit left and right of top center is the place most americans reside. As one shifts further
left or right, eventually one ends up meeting your extreme controlling power hungry brethen at the bottom of that circle. You reside at the bottom of
that circle by forcing your views and beliefs upon others who are unwilling by using or abusing power and trampling all over others free rights to
choose how to live and what to believe. Whether left or right, you people at the bottom of that circle are very dangerous and are an absolute hazard
to my childrens future.

You may have arrived at the bottom of that circle by different agendas but in the end you are one and the same to me - tyranical in thought, deed and
action.

I reside about 2 o'clock to the right by my free choice and thought and one difference apparent to me is that further left one seems to be the less
concerned they seem with protecting my constitutional rights, rights that I have no trouble protecting for them even were it to come to a fight for
those rights. My observation is one has to go much further around the circle on the right to get to those who do not care one whit for the
constitution and others rights - an example is the "religious right" who also wants to dictate lifestyle.

Basically I have no business telling you how to live your life, your speech, your education, your diet, your enviroment, your property, your
willingness to pay taxes, your birth control, your drugs, your sexual proclivities, who you marry, what arms you keep, how to belive, your politics,
or any of a miriad of other social issues - it none of my dang business period! - let me tell you - its none of your dang business how I choose to do
things either.

The extreme left has control of government and is trampling all over the constitution and peoples rights no different than the lefts expressed fears
of having the religious right take control of the levers of government - sure its couched in different terms andmotivations but the result is the same
- TYRANNY

Atheist, feminist, Liberal societies are all the healthiest societies on the planet.

All the model countries in the world have an abundance of those 3 qualities. The problem for America is not too much of those, the problem for America
is that you have BARELY ANY of those 3 things. Liberalism, atheism and feminism are still dirty words in America, and that's why your country is
controlled by right wing hicks like Obama.

Incorrect! The threat is anyone or group of people thinking their the keeper/possessor of something so profound, that they know exactly what everyone
else should but doesn't know/do or is incapable of knowing/doing as a result of socio-economic/political, cultural , racial, etc... belief/lifestyle.
Most of us know instinctively and intuitively what is right/wrong or will result in some form of discomfort or harm to others or ourselves but due to
our free will and self worship do wrong things anyway. I do not believe anyone has a corner on the market of enlightement and/or the "right way" to
live and die, those who think they do are the biggest threat to our contentment and survival. If the day comes we can all Love and Respect each other
as different as we are and seek to truly make the World a better place for all, we will have accomplished Nirvana. I however, think we're incapable
of such
(on our own) and will be needing and seeing the loving Master return to lead us back to our our purely Spiritual creation. Unfortunately, like all
things relative to human learning/understanding, their is going to be considrable pain and suffering, some more than others.

America has been subverted from within. Just exactly as lots of people predicted.

Obama is more dangerous than Stalin and Hitler combined. He is a narcissistic, power hungry sociopath just like most of the mental defectives that are
running things in D.C.

People have in their stupidity elected the same people to office over and over again. The voters have created the monster that the founding fathers
wanted to avoid. A ruling class who consider themselves royalty with special privileges. Political office was never supposed to be a "career path".

The only thing that protects us is the 2nd amendment. IF we are stupid enough to let them take the only protection we have left then we deserve the
slavery that we will endure.

I have no problems with liberal ideals of peace and harmony, to each according to his needs. Liberal ideology is noble and I have always respected
noble ideas.

I've been railing against those ideas for 20 years because in this society THEY ARE A LIE. They are a propaganda tool to enslave people.

The problem is the people at the top and who they work for. They know they can appeal to the noble ideas of humanity and obtain power. They can then
wield that power to control.

Off one teleprompter they ask us to rise to the ideals of liberalism and then off the other they inject depravity and immorality in to society and
attack the value of human life while lauding the values of a medicated populace. Aldous Huxley pushed the idea that we may one day be medicated and
perfectly content slaves. That is their vision of a utopia now. To be free we must all be slaves and to be content we must all submit to them.

These shootings have nothing to do with guns. They have everything to do with the loss of morality, religion (theirs), and corruption.

Liberalism is DEAD in this country. It was quietly replaced with Lenin, Stalin, and Mao's version of collectivism where power grows out of the
barrel of a gun and 1 dead child is a tragedy and a million is a statistic.

I applaud you, sir. Gender roles are being redefined, but you give a very accurate and positive description of how things used to be. Things are much
less clear now and I respect your way of life deeply, there are a lot of issues we have to deal with as a society that have never been dealt with
before.

I am not sure what the root causes of these issues are. A feminist I talked to once told me it was the industrial revolution, that once women weren't
needed in a relationship due to the efficiency of machines, they lost equality and respect, and this lead to them seeking it once more.

The advent of electronics like the internet and texting have brought new challenges to be faced. Gender roles are being redefined, as is the whole
family structure. How does transgender dating work, what about a guy who thinks like a girl who wants to date a girl who thinks like a guy, what about
urban tribes (groups of guys or girls living together with no family ties?)

No one knows what is going on, I don't think? I certainly don't?

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The feminist movement is redefining gender roles. Now they don't like what they got. There is a difference in a man and a woman. Women and men are
treated differently because of it. Men are discriminated against too. Women have gotten away with murder (literally) just because they are women.
Women are treated much better than men in the judicial system. Society generally coddles women. I don't know where you live but where i am men are
men and women are women, there is no confusion about the fact. Several quotes that ring true come to mind "You are the company you keep" and "Be
careful what you wish for, you might get it". People throw the word friend around, let me assure you, if you are blessed with one true friend in your
lifetime, count yourself lucky.

As far as politics goes, I said in an earlier post that George Washington was the only perfect President. There is a reason for that. Government
was small and well defined in it's role for America. If you study history it is easy to see that the bigger government got the more problems America
had. Today government is on the verge of collapse under it's own weight. I support smaller government because it is less intrusive and allows the
people to thrive through opportunity instead of entitlements. We are on the brink of disaster today because we allowed government to get too big.

You do yourself no favor by allowing the changes you perceive in society define you. There will always be changes and fads. Twenty years from now
your ideals will be fodder for the next generation to use against you. In the end you are what you make of yourself. It makes no difference if you are
a woman or a man. It sounds like you are in the wrong place. Try going somewhere that the men are men and the sheep know it.

Originally posted by jimmiec
If you study history it is easy to see that the bigger government got the more problems America had. Today government is on the verge of collapse
under it's own weight. I support smaller government because it is less intrusive and allows the people to thrive through opportunity instead of
entitlements. We are on the brink of disaster today because we allowed government to get too big.

They were certainly different times;

At the time the U.S. Constitution was signed the population was only 4 million people.

More like, more tax money because of a larger population equates to bigger government. Individual states should decide what is best for the people of
their state, not the fed. If we do it that way people could move to a state that more closely relates to their principles. That would send a message
to the state that their policies are not appreciated and effect change. The fed did not have to create a huge bureaucracy to service it's people.
They did not have to create public unions. etc. They did it for power over the people it supposedly serves. What we have now is an ever increasing
overreach of government equivalent to servitude instead of service.

What is sad is that you talk of leaving one for the other. Like there is only two choices. Personally, i believe you drank the Kool-Aid from
both camps. Obviously you are bright enough to realize that each offer agreeable stances yet when considering the total merits of either you find
neither meet your standards.
Well...welcome to the club! Both parties are guilty of malfeasance and each is crafted in such a means to attract followers. It is no accident that
each offer platitudes that will foster disagreements as we can see in the "Right vrs. Left" argument. Keeping the country hotly divided directs the
spotlight away from their treasonous and criminal activities. If govt. is working for the interests of anyone you will see it's not you or yours who
will benefit. Govt. only pursues the benefits of maintaining a fascist state with Corporate America.
You'r Rights as outlined in the Constitution and Bill of Rights are now questioned and as we see now have been placed in the "Privileges" category.
To question the Govt. and it's policies and or demand Due Process of law may lead you to the "Enemy of the State" file. Recent laws and
Presidential decrees tend to suggest everyone in the country poses a threat and as a result we are possible terrorists.
If i was to advise you i'd suggest you show no preference to either. That will show you are capable of thinking for yourself and you wont allow
yourself to be boxed into a strict mindset. To be a "Progressive" will be hated by both camps and personally i love pissing off both. What they
think is of not important to me for my attention is focused on the treasonous behavior by those who wish deny me of my Rights. And, by no means commit
a crime for that is all that is needed today to nullify you'r significance.

Those from outside of the US commenting on US Politics really don't see the real issues of our politics. Sometimes the 3rd person perspective is
usually the most enlightening, but the same time, you often miss the subtle nuances what you are observing. Liberalism, Conservatism is not the issue
in the US. Atheism or Theism isn't the issue in this country either. Feminism is the closest thing that touches what is wrong with this country.
Now, feminism isn't what's wrong with this country, but how feminism acts is. And don't get me wrong, it isn't feminism, because you also see
the same issues happening in Liberalism, Conservatism, Theism, and Atheism. And the issue is Extremism. Feminism was originally created to bring
equality to women. This is good. But modern day feminism is not at the roots seeking this. They are seeking a reverse chauvinism in which instead
of Men being "the superior sex", instead of men and women being equal, they are looking to make women "the superior sex".

What we really need in the US is actually moderation. Some conservative values are good, as are some liberal/progressive values are good. Theism and
Atheism does not belong in Politics, nor does it belong trying to interfere with each other. You don't believe in a God, or a religion? Good for
you. You are a Christian? A Muslim? A Jew? Good for you. Let people practice what they choose to practice, just don't force your beliefs (or
lack thereof in the case of Atheists) onto other people. It is simple as that.

As far as politics go, We the People keep electing far-rightists in the Republican Party and far-leftists in the Democratic Party. Essentially, we
keep electing extremists. The danger of Extremism is the fact that Extremist mindsets do not allow for compromise, which goes against almost every
tenet of a Democratic society.

You have yet to tell me exactly HOW the "meat and potatoes of most religions are the same".

Or maybe, you are just here to throw rocks instead of engaging in actual dialogue.

Sure, Ill try.
Be hard for me as I think all religions are for weak minded people that need outside Influence to give them Direction.

That's not any "explanation" at all. It is rocks being thrown by a bitter, angry, resentful, fatalistic human being.

"Meat and Potatoes" of them all,Is the Master Creator, a Higher Being, Unseen, Unheard , but is all knowing , (sounds silly I know)

Not all of them make those claims.

Didn't you know that?

Oh, sorry, I thought you thought you are an expect that knows everything perfectly.

I guess I was wrong about that.

That is true, there are some religions such as Taoism that explain a way of life that leads to a particular outcome.

That is pragmatism. But does not answer the great existential questions of life.

I prefer these as they are logically sound and the existence of a deity is irrelevant

Sure, lots and lots of people do not want there to be a Supreme Creator Being that they are accountable to.

In my opinion, the function of a deity in a religion is to give a personification of the religion's values.

Christianity does not do that.

Some people think that Christianity actually has origins in extra-terrestrial... mythology.

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Yeah, and some people think that the earth is hollow too.

So?

Do you have an actual point?

Uh, yes. My point was that either the deities involved could refer to extra-terrestrial war generals, or I was also going to point out that there is
the possibility that when Christianity is referring to the Holy Spirit, it is referring to the universal consciousness.

What you are trying to do is to interpret Christianity through the lens of your own paradigm rather than truly investigating what Biblical
Christianity teaches.

In Biblical Christianity, the Holy Spirit is One of the Persons of the Triune God.

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