Sun Fin wrote:Looking at what to ask for from my parents for Christmas and one of my options is Early Medieval China: A Sourcebook which I noticed you've just bought Jia. Any thoughts?

I haven’t spent a ton of time with Sourcebook yet so I don’t want to sell you on it quite yet. I’ll definitely take a good look at it over the next few days. I might be a bit biased in the end though because it has Jen-Der Lee's biography of Xu Yi in it, which is one of my favorite academic works.

I’ll let you know asap!

Have you had a chance to become more acquainted with the Sourebook, Jia?

Sun Fin wrote:Looking at what to ask for from my parents for Christmas and one of my options is Early Medieval China: A Sourcebook which I noticed you've just bought Jia. Any thoughts?

I haven’t spent a ton of time with Sourcebook yet so I don’t want to sell you on it quite yet. I’ll definitely take a good look at it over the next few days. I might be a bit biased in the end though because it has Jen-Der Lee's biography of Xu Yi in it, which is one of my favorite academic works.

I’ll let you know asap!

Have you had a chance to become more acquainted with the Sourebook, Jia?

Oof! I completely forgot to post. I'm sorry!

I spent some time with it today.

I read the section that's relevant to my interests (Ch. 6, Relations with the Unseen World) and loved each article in it. Especially Campany's articles... but I am a huge fan of him already. I then went back and browsed through the other sections, and will likely read the whole book over the next couple weeks.

There are 38 articles it total, covering all sorts of topics, such as government, culture, poetry, religion and the supernatural. Honestly I think it'd be hard to not find a bunch of articles relevant to your interests; they did a good job covering all bases. Some of the articles are short (2-3 pages) whereas others can be much longer (25-30 pages).

However, one thing to weigh before you commit to a purchase: the articles cover topics relevant to years 180 through 590. Only 3 articles address pre-3K events. There's 9 articles addressing 3K and Western Jin. The remaining 26 articles address post-Western Jin, meaning the majority of the book focuses primarily on the Eastern Jin, 16K, and Song eras.

Some of these later articles reflect on past Han and 3K events, however.

Personally, I think it's probably my second favorite book I've bought this year. But I could understand someone being disappointed with the lack of Han- and 3K-era articles.

PDF:Sima Guang's ZZTJ from De Crespigny's siteMan From MarginGenerals of the SouthLatter Han religious mass movements and the early Daoist church by Grégoire Espesset (I used Jia Nanfeng's link)De Crespigny's A Three Kingdoms and Western JinLadies of the Court of Emperor Huan of Han from De CrespignyZZTJ from Emperor Huan to Cao Cao's deathPortents of Protest in Later Han Dynasty (not yet read)Some poems and Rhapsodies of the Later Han and Three KingdomsThe Development of the Chinese Empire in the South, a thesis by De Crespigny

I can borrow or discuss (might need a day or two to get hold of it depending what is asked)Fire Over LuoyangImperial WarlordMay have a few more things in months ahead for thise segment

“You, are a rebellious son who abandoned his father. You are a cruel brigand who murdered his lord. How can Heaven and Earth put up with you for long? And unless you die soon, how can you face the sight of men?”

That's alright! I hate to think of how many threads are littered around this forum where I've forgotten to reply to someone!

Jia Nanfeng wrote:There are 38 articles it total, covering all sorts of topics, such as government, culture, poetry, religion and the supernatural. Honestly I think it'd be hard to not find a bunch of articles relevant to your interests; they did a good job covering all bases. Some of the articles are short (2-3 pages) whereas others can be much longer (25-30 pages).

However, one thing to weigh before you commit to a purchase: the articles cover topics relevant to years 180 through 590. Only 3 articles address pre-3K events. There's 9 articles addressing 3K and Western Jin. The remaining 26 articles address post-Western Jin, meaning the majority of the book focuses primarily on the Eastern Jin, 16K, and Song eras.

Some of these later articles reflect on past Han and 3K events, however.

Personally, I think it's probably my second favorite book I've bought this year. But I could understand someone being disappointed with the lack of Han- and 3K-era articles.

That doesn't put me off! Trying to find a source exclusively about the Later Han/3K era, which isn't written by Rafe and costing a small fortune is virtually impossible. Most of my library only contain sections on our period. I'm definitely interested, will look to buy it when I can!

Dong Zhou wrote:I use oneline resources like the biographies here, the novel itself, the De Crespigny papers and xuesangou's sgz. I fear google sheets might be beyond me

PDF:Sima Guang's ZZTJ from De Crespigny's siteMan From MarginGenerals of the SouthLatter Han religious mass movements and the early Daoist church by Grégoire Espesset (I used Jia Nanfeng's link)De Crespigny's A Three Kingdoms and Western JinLadies of the Court of Emperor Huan of Han from De CrespignyZZTJ from Emperor Huan to Cao Cao's deathPortents of Protest in Later Han Dynasty (not yet read)Some poems and Rhapsodies of the Later Han and Three KingdomsThe Development of the Chinese Empire in the South, a thesis by De Crespigny

I can borrow or discuss (might need a day or two to get hold of it depending what is asked)Fire Over LuoyangImperial WarlordMay have a few more things in months ahead for thise segment

Thanks Dong! I would love a copy of Rafe's tome! Farmer's book is also high on my priority list. Hoping I might win a copy in the next month or so...

There are too many books in the £20-£40 bracket that I would like at the moment .

Sun Fin wrote:That doesn't put me off! Trying to find a source exclusively about the Later Han/3K era, which isn't written by Rafe and costing a small fortune is virtually impossible. Most of my library only contain sections on our period. I'm definitely interested, will look to buy it when I can!

Most of my books are that way too.

I just wanted to let you know the ratio so you can weigh what you’re willing to pay. I think you’ll like the book! A lot of the articles cover more “obscure” topics that don’t fit into other books; especially those involving translations.

I've tried to get accustomed to Google Sheets, but yeah. Me give up big time on that thing. SO I'll post my list here.

Physical

Empresses and Consorts: Selections from Chen Shou's Records of the Three States with Pei Songzhi's Commentary by Robert Joe Cutter and William Gordon CrowellZhu Xi's Reading of the Analects (with commentary by <3 He Yan <3) by Daniel K. GardenerXun Xu and the Politics of Precision in Third-Century AD China By Howard L. Goodman The Calligrapher Chung Yu (Ca. 163-230) and the Demogaphics of a myth by Howard L. Goodman

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Imperial Warlord by Rafe de CrespignyBiographical Dictionary of the Later Han to Three Kingdoms by Rafe de CrespignyFires over Luoyang by Rafe de CrespignyHow I came to doubt Qing Scholarship: The Csae of Yao Zhenzong and Qiao Zhou's Records of the Later Han by Michael J. FarmerThe Reunification of China in AD 280: Jin's Conquest of Eastern Wu by John W. KilligrewA case study of Chinese civil warfare: The Cao‐Wei conquest of Shu‐Han in AD 263 by John W. KilligrewOn Reading Cao Zhi's "Three Good Men": Yong shi shi or Deng lin shi? by Robert Joe Cutter Shishuo xinyu and the Death of Cao Zhang by Robert Joe CutterBecoming Wen: The Rhetoric in the "Final Edicts" of Han Emperor Wen and Wei Emperor Wen by Meow Hui GohWriting History, Writing Fiction by Anne E. MclarenCao Zhi's (192-232) Symposium Poems by Robert Joe CutterCai Yan and the Poems Attributed to Her by Hans H. FrankelThe Accession of Sima Yan, AD 265: Legitimation by Ritual Replication by Carl LebanThe Craft of a Chinese Commentator: Wang Bi on the Laozi by Rudolf G. WagnerA Chinese Reading of the Daedejing: Wang Bi's Commentary on the Laozi with Critical Text and Translation by Rudolf G. WagnerThe Death of Empress Zhen: Fiction and Historiography in Early Medieval China by Robert Joe CutterHe Van, Xuanxue and the Editorship of the Lunyu by John MakehamA History of Court Lyrics in China during Wei-Chin Times by Howard L. GoodmanShouchun and Its Pivotal Role Between North and South in Early Medieval China by Bill CrowellHeaven and Death According to Huangfu Mi, A Third-century Confucian by Keith N. KnappJia Nanfeng, Yang Yan, Yang Zhi biographies by Michael J. FarmerJian’an Literature Revisited: Poetic Dialogues in the Last Three Decades of the Han Dynasty by Hsiang-Lin ShihThe Life and Legacy of Liu Biao: Governor, Warlord, and Imperial Pretender in Late Han China by Andrew ChittickThe Last Word? Lu Yun's "Nanzheng Fu" by Sujane WuThe Biography of Lu Yun (262-303) in Jin shu 54 by Sujane WuNeo-Taoism and the "Seven Sages of the Bamboo Grove" in Chinese Painting by Ellen Johnston LaingOn the composition of Zhang Hua's "Nushi Zhen" by Michael J. FarmerA Hundred and Seventy Chinese Poems by Arthur WaleyRanking Men and Assessing Talent: Xiahou Xuan’s Response to an Inquiry by Sima Yi by Timothy M. DavisPoetry and Politics: The life and Works of Juan Chi, A.D. 210-263 by Donald HolzmanRuan Ji's and Xi Kang's Visits to Two “Immortals” by Tim Wai-Keung ChanSsu-ma I (179-251): Wei statesman and Chin founder. An historiographical inquiry by Anthony Bruce FairbankFrom Sanguo zhi to Sanguo zhi yanyi: The Role of Sun Quan and the Development of the Three Kingdoms Historiography by Hyung-Jong LeeNaturalness and Authenticity: The Poetry of Tao Qian by Yim-tze KwongRewriting a Recluse: The Early Biographers' Construction of Tao Yuanming by Wendy SwartzTs'ao P'i Transcendent: The Political Culture of Dynasty-Founding in China at the End of the Han by Howard L. GoodmanAncient and Early Medieval Chinese Literature A Reference Guide Part Two by David R. Knechtges and Taiping ChangAncient and Early Medieval Chinese Literature A Reference Guide Part Three by David R. Knechtges and Taiping ChangFrom Spirited Youth to Loyal Official: Life Writing and Didacticism in the Jin shu Biography of Wang Dao by Matthew V. WellsWei-Jin Sacrificial Ballets: Reform versus Conservation by Kevin A. JensenSites of Recognition: Burial, Mourning, and Commemoration in the Xun Family of Yingchuan, AD 140–305 by Howard L GoodmanWet Nurses in Early Imperial China by Jen-der LeeXun Xu and the Politics of Precision in Third-Century AD China By Howard L. Goodman A QUESTION OF LOYALTY: Xun Yu, Cao Cao and Sima Guang by Rafe de Crespigny Zhang Hua (232-300) by Michael J. FarmerMing Audiences and Vernacular Hermeneutics: The Uses of "The Romance of the Three Kingdoms" by Anne E. McLarenZhong Hui's "Laozi" Commentary and the Debate on Capacity and Nature in Third-Century China by Alan K.L. ChanA Garden of Marvels: Tales of Wonder from Early Medieval China by Robert Ford CampanyThe Orphan Ts’ao P’i, His Odd Poem, and Its Historiographic Frame by Howard L. GoodmanThe Kung-sun Warlords of Liao-tung by K. H. J. Gardiner

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Gosh, your pdf collection really is impressive DaoLun! There are a few things on there I hadn't heard of before! If you could recommend one non-RDC source which would it be?

@Jia - I seem to recall asking that a page or two ago? I did look recently, I picked it up for £9, the cheapest its on amazon.co.uk now is £60+. I was following it for three years before it got to a price I was prepared to pay.

Jia Nanfeng wrote:So many people have Empresses and Consorts... why the heck haven't I bought it yet.

You're crazy? It's a terrific book, though if you're just looking for the biographies Xuesanguo has translated nearly all of them over on tumblr. I think the commentary from Crowell and Cutter is fantastic though.

Sun Fin wrote:Gosh, your pdf collection really is impressive DaoLun! There are a few things on there I hadn't heard of before! If you could recommend one non-RDC source which would it be?

Non-RDC source, eh? Hmm... Probably Zhong Hui's "Laozi" Commentary and the Debate on Capacity and Nature in Third-Century China by Alan K.L. Chan, but that's also about my favorite historical figure of all time, and does a terrific job showing his life and his relationships to others, along with delving into his views on the dao for those into that sort of thing. Ts'ao P'i Transcendent: The Political Culture of Dynasty-Founding in China at the End of the Han by Howard L. Goodman is another I'd recommend, though it's extremely pricey. I'm a Wei guy, I make no secret about it but this book does an incredible job to speak to Wei's foundation, many of the families and delves into Cao Pi. Fascinating read for sure.

DaoLunOfShiji wrote:Non-RDC source, eh? Hmm... Probably Zhong Hui's "Laozi" Commentary and the Debate on Capacity and Nature in Third-Century China by Alan K.L. Chan, but that's also about my favorite historical figure of all time, and does a terrific job showing his life and his relationships to others, along with delving into his views on the dao for those into that sort of thing. Ts'ao P'i Transcendent: The Political Culture of Dynasty-Founding in China at the End of the Han by Howard L. Goodman is another I'd recommend, though it's extremely pricey. I'm a Wei guy, I make no secret about it but this book does an incredible job to speak to Wei's foundation, many of the families and delves into Cao Pi. Fascinating read for sure.

That's cool! I've not come across the Zhong Hui source before, is it a book, a chapter of a book, a jornal entry or something else?

I've added some more pdfs to my library - RDC's books that his published online and the Talons thesis I shared a few months ago!