I'm a big fan of Javid Best ... but I still don't consider him an every down back. I really see LB and OL as the Lion's greatest needs, but if Leshoure is available I think he's just too much of a beast to pass up...

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Re: Declared Juniors so far....

I.E. wrote:

I'm a big fan of Javid Best ... but I still don't consider him an every down back. I really see LB and OL as the Lion's greatest needs, but if Leshoure is available I think he's just too much of a beast to pass up...

Are you talking about in the first or second round? He's reach in the first round, but I agree he'd be a deal with their #44 pick. But then again it would depend on who else is left on the board.

I know I've said I'd like to see the Lions take Bruce Carter at that spot, but I recently read that he had to have his entire knee basically reconstructed. I knew he had significant damage, but not that much. I thought it was only two (ACL, MCL) ligaments he tore. He actually tore all three. Not cool. Based on that, I'd like pass on taking Carter that soon. Hope is not a strategy.

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January 11th, 2011, 11:31 am

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Re: Declared Juniors so far....

Ouch, this is the first I heard of all three... he's gonna slide far...

Maybe? If he gets a clean bill of health and has a good combine he'll be fine. Ernie Sims had 5 concussions in college, and he went in the top 10 (but that was Millen). Some guys can get injured in college and not have any issues in the pros, and vice versa, see Matt Stafford.

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January 11th, 2011, 11:43 am

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Re: Declared Juniors so far....

Wayne Fontes wrote:

Maybe? If he gets a clean bill of health and has a good combine he'll be fine. Ernie Sims had 5 concussions in college, and he went in the top 10 (but that was Millen). Some guys can get injured in college and not have any issues in the pros, and vice versa, see Matt Stafford.

You are comparing a concussion, which requires no surgery, to a knee that was basically destroyed. Recovering from a concussion and major knee reconstruction aren't even close to being the same. Sorry, but Bruce won't be running at the Combine or a Pro Day. He'll still be on cruches at that time. He has months of rehabbing ahead of him. Reports are that the BEST he can hope for is to be able to do light workouts involving running (no cutting) by July. At that point, they'll look to see how the knee holds up and if it swells.

Also, Ernie Sims would have been held out many more games in college if those concussions were happening now. Just two or three years ago, if he could see how many fingers the coaches held up, he was considered to be fine and expected to take the field again.

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January 11th, 2011, 12:06 pm

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Re: Declared Juniors so far....

Bruce is screwed, unfortunate, but it's life. We can only hope he makes a great recovery, but he will never be the same.

Jason Fox was a legit 2nd rounder last year, and he slid to the 4th. I wouldn't be surprised if Carter was an early 3rd rounder.

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January 11th, 2011, 12:11 pm

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Re: Declared Juniors so far....

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Jason Fox was a legit 2nd rounder last year, and he slid to the 4th. I wouldn't be surprised if Carter was an early 3rd rounder.

True, but Jason Fox played the entire season on that bad knee, because the injury wasn't nearly as serious. With an injury like Bruce Carter suffered, he could slide even lower than the third round. Who knows? I can't recall a player suffering that serious of an injury that late in the season getting picked any earlier than the third round.

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January 12th, 2011, 10:18 am

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Re: Declared Juniors so far....

When did he have the surgery? I was getting him confused with the plethora of other players from UNC that got suspended. For some reason I thought he was one. Now that I see he wasn't, I retract my previous statement. I do think though, that some teams are more willing to take a shot on a guy with an injury than others. However, I don't think the Lions are in any position yet to spend a 2nd round pick on a guy who might not come back to his previous playing level.

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January 12th, 2011, 10:46 am

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Re: Declared Juniors so far....

Robert Sands is a very underrated prospect as is Tandon Doss

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January 12th, 2011, 3:20 pm

m2karateman

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Re: Declared Juniors so far....

Wayne Fontes wrote:

When did he have the surgery? I was getting him confused with the plethora of other players from UNC that got suspended. For some reason I thought he was one. Now that I see he wasn't, I retract my previous statement. I do think though, that some teams are more willing to take a shot on a guy with an injury than others. However, I don't think the Lions are in any position yet to spend a 2nd round pick on a guy who might not come back to his previous playing level.

If I'm not mistake some time in December was when they did surgery.....but I could be wrong.

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As expected and I expect his teammate Nick Farley to join him today. His star is very bright right now and he would be a fool to stay. I'm guessing he would get drafted higher then Newton since he is ready to step in and start right away at a position with a fairly easy transition.

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