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Re: Tell me more about Andreus

Of course. But if on top of that you had a fantastically fishy over the top life story and we confirmed your name didn't exist, I'd question all the rest of it as well.

Only reasonable no?

Indeed it would be questioned.

But if it were you and I, and we're talking about loyalty to someone you know away from JUB... perhaps when it was worked out the name was fake, rather than reveal your real name, I'd panic and not sign in again until the dust had settled.....

Re: Tell me more about Andreus

Originally Posted by LaughOutLoud

Indeed it would be questioned.

But if it were you and I, and we're talking about loyalty to someone you know away from JUB... perhaps when it was worked out the name was fake, rather than reveal your real name, I'd panic and not sign in again until the dust had settled.....

Like many others here, I have no personal stake in Andreus.

I've heard enough of his story though and I've been on the net long enough and heard enough fake stories made up for the purposes of attention-getting, and enough fake deaths to say I woudn't have believed his story even if I'd been here personally at the time. The fact that his name appears to not have really existed only confirms to me what I would have expected anyway, which is that this was someone trying to draw attention with, if not entirely lies, over the top exaggerations about who and what they were for the purposes of making a big splash in an anonymous setting where no one would be able to prove otherwise.

Or in short if someone else came forward with a story just as straining to credibility as Andreus's, I'd disregard it as role playing unless I saw something concrete like a newspaper article about him or a personal facebook page or anything that corroborated such an incredible story out of the confines of an anonymous forum account.

That's me. I'm not saying anyone is wrong to have been less skeptical back when Andreus was around, but I do think that the "skepticism of the skepticism" is ratcheting up to enormous proportions over a story which frankly doesn't sound all that credible or lifelike to begin with and it's hard for me to accept so many people believed at face value.

Re: Tell me more about Andreus

Hey, don't get me wrong, I'm just like you - I've been on the internet and used forums long enough to spy a fake when it's right in front of me....

I just preferred this thread when it was a discussion, so I wanted to open people's eyes to other possibilities other than HE IS A HUGE FAKE AND BOSTON PIRATE IS IN ON IT!!!

I think many of us (myself included) are curious what he has to say. I can tell you what I believe but I've never said anything is "definitely true", other than the very few hard things we know for sure.

I think many emotional people are kneejerking and coming into this thread and having that reaction to something few or no people have actually in fact said.

Re: Tell me more about Andreus

Originally Posted by xbuzzerx

I think many of us (myself included) are curious what he has to say. I can tell you what I believe but I've never said anything is "definitely true", other than the very few hard things we know for sure.

I think many emotional people are kneejerking and coming into this thread and having that reaction to something few or no people have actually in fact said.

I think I've made my standpoint on this topic clear, between previous posts and my last few - I don't know anyone involved enough to care either way, all I can offer is an outsiders POV.

I agree that many people are "knee-jerking" into reactions.

Everything laid out on the table, all we can say for certain is that Andreus was not the real name of anyone living in the USA (legally), and that someone was (possibly - mods have yet to confirm) signed into that account in the last week.

If I read nothing in this thread other than those 2 facts, I'm not sure I'd be jumping to the same conclusions as others.....

Re: Tell me more about Andreus

Originally Posted by sixthson

Kahil's ubiquitous stocking caps were very suspicious in my opinion. Was he secretly bald??

Kahil has nice hair under those caps

Originally Posted by stacy

2 points.

1) Despite the way I am taking part in this thread I do not care if Andreus is fake or real. Either way the events Andreus at JUB put in play still exist in my life. Whether or not they were put there by a fake persona or a real one, they still happened, for better or worse.

Amen. Andreus is real to me regardless and was a huge part of my online life during my early JUB days.

Re: Tell me more about Andreus

Indeed the drive by posts and pictures have pertained towards a witch hunt, and for that reason I try to put them to one side.

Johann, don't get me wrong, I KNOW that some of which you have posted has been undeniable fact - it's how we read into them that differs.

You have proven that no one of that name ever lived (legally) in the USA. I'm on board with that. That's fine.

But go find me a similar register for the UK and search "LaughOutLoud".... I'm almost certain it will come up with no results....but I can assure you I am a real person, I am the only person with access to this account, and I do not have any other accounts registered with this website.....

Re: Tell me more about Andreus

Originally Posted by JohannBessler

^But LaughoutLoud, BostonPirate insists it was his real name. A second JUBber PMed me to say that Andreus Thanos was his first and middle name. This JUBber gave me the third name (which I won't reveal out of respect for this JUBber)

"Andreus" himself signed his photography with his "real name".

Now, think about it. What genuine photographer would sign his work with a phony name?

Besides all that: no one in this thread has been accused of being a fake. Not Jasun, not Stacy, not JohannBessler, not you, not Pat Grimshaw, not anybody"

The only identity in question is Andreus Thanos.

Show me where they said in this thread that was his full, legal, real name and I'll shut up (I fully expect you to be able to do so, as I keep saying - I can't remember every single detail in this thread).

RE: His photography

You can't choose to believe he was a professional photographer (signing his name) only long enough to use that evidence against him. Either you believe he was a professional photographer (and thus believe the "signatures") or you don't (thus rendering your point moot ).

Re: Tell me more about Andreus

Originally Posted by LaughOutLoud

You have proven that no one of that name ever lived (legally) in the USA. I'm on board with that. That's fine.
....

You also have to consider the pure unlikelihood of certain events. You're suggesting that there needed to be some sort of collusion between Andreus and Boston Pirate, if ever Boston Pirate should join Jub, in regards to making people believe that Andreus' real name was Thanos. This discussion between them would have had to have taken place in 2007. We have heard how BP wishes he was here when Andreus was. So why did he not join until June 2010, coincidently just one month after the last appearance of Mitri, when he had obviously been getting such rave reviews about it from Andreus back in 2007? Also coincidently, there have been just 2 very prolific posters from Boston on JUB, from what I can make out. How likely would it be for both these huge posters to have known each other so intimately? On the balance of probabilities, you would expect one to make a few posts and then drop out pretty quickly (the norm for most people signing up here). On top of that, there was plenty of opportunity early on in the thread for BP to indicate that Thanos was not the real name, once he began being questioned.

Re: Tell me more about Andreus

Originally Posted by xbuzzerx

Santa Claus isn't real either though.

Nooooooo, lies, lies, all lies!!!

Now, back to the real (possible) lies, someone was saying that this was like the Night Listener by Armistead Maupin so, I went to see the movie (), I'm sorry but that lady was sloppy, she wrote a book, she was asking to be caught, Andreus beats her any day of the week, he never let someone come near at all!

Anyway, if I had to guess, I would say that (s)he's from Boston and at least knows the area where the photographer is located, someone noted some pages ago that there is also an hospital in the area so, it was probably there that most of the details came to his/her mind... And that makes me think, who was on the other side and how sad can that person be? More than any lie, this was a very lonely and probably sick (either because (s)he was in the hospital or even the mental illness that caused all this) person.

Re: Tell me more about Andreus

1. He told everybody he was a photographer. Corny asked him a question about this, and he failed it.
2. He put forward a photograph he'd supposedly taken. At the bottom of that photograph, he signed it.
3. Photographers would almost certainly use their "real name" as a signature.
4. We can deduce then, with a reasonable certainty, that Andreus Thanos wants us to believe that that was his real name

^Do you find any flaw in that logic?

How many photographers actually sign their work?
I re-read the first few pages of this thread. BP said Andreus was a translator - Egyptian/French, mainly. I didn't see in the first few pages where Andreus was a photographer.
Anything artsy fartsy I do with the intention of posting on the web, I'd put my Screen name on, not my real name.

Re: Tell me more about Andreus

Originally Posted by borg69unimatrix

How many photographers actually sign their work?
I re-read the first few pages of this thread. BP said Andreus was a translator - Egyptian/French, mainly. I didn't see in the first few pages where Andreus was a photographer.
Anything artsy fartsy I do with the intention of posting on the web, I'd put my Screen name on, not my real name.

It makes little sense to suppose they'd sign it but put a fake name.

Presuming that's what happened, all that implies is that the dishonesty extended further than a screenname, since this is the name that he and BP both purported to be offline real.

Re: Tell me more about Andreus

From what I can gather, this Boston Pirate character is the only one who has claimed to have had personal dealings with the mysterious Andreus outside of J U B. He seemed quite passionate about this when he was posting early in this thread, so why has he now gone AWOL, amidst all the hoopla over this long-gone Jubber's identity? Seems to me that unless and until BP returns and provides us with some kind of absolute, irrefutable proof that:

a) Andreus was who he says he was, and that
b) BP knew the fellow and had dealings with him in the 'real' world,

then this thread is just going to keep on going around & around in circles and therefore, probably should be closed.

I dunno, maybe it's because I don't really give a rats one way or the other whether Andreus was real or not. It does amuse me, though, the way some of you have been carrying on about it as if your future happiness and fulfilment in life totally depends on knowing the 'truth'!

Re: Tell me more about Andreus

I went through some of his post history and the faux-intellectualism was off-putting and annoying. I'm thankful for not having known him...or whoever he was.

Originally Posted by mikey3000

Holy moly!! I can't believe this thread is still going on.

We've basically learned one can make an elaborate persona, have half a dozen on the side claim your 'real', have exceptionally odd and sketchy events occur in your life and a handful of people online will fall for it and honour your 'life'. Odd, but hey, their choice. Just makes them look silly, but whatever.

So...in a nut shell, we have a boat load of mentally ill people hopping on the Internet at any given moment. No surprise.

How many photographers actually sign their work?
I re-read the first few pages of this thread. BP said Andreus was a translator - Egyptian/French, mainly. I didn't see in the first few pages where Andreus was a photographer.
Anything artsy fartsy I do with the intention of posting on the web, I'd put my Screen name on, not my real name.

Well there's a point.

Originally Posted by JohannBessler

Now, think about it. What genuine photographer would sign his work with a phony name?

Not sure. But I'm done with this. I'm going to go make better use of my time, looking at the works of Andrej Varhola or perhaps Emmanuel Radnitzky, or Marcus Rothkowitz. Given the subject however, I should probably stick with Dominikos Theotokópulos, or maybe Touko Laaksonen but ultimately I'll probably just fall back on Banksy. We still don't know his real name.

I'll leave you with a puzzle. What if Boston Pirate never knew Andreus but read about him online and couldn't resist the opportunity to write himself into the story? Figure out that conspiracy.

Re: Tell me more about Andreus

Originally Posted by Kahaih

justaguy Posts 55

I'm trying to get back up to 1000 posts so I can change my user title.

Actually I am a bit embarrassed by that figure. But I don't think I've been quite so much of a jerk since about page 5. It's just that I've always fancied myself as a male version of Angela Lansbury from Murder She Wrote. But now I think I'd much rather be an Austin Powers, who is more like what I'm here for, I've remembered .... so I think I've done my dash in this thread. Unless something startling comes up which changes my scepticism either way.

Re: Tell me more about Andreus

Originally Posted by JohannBessler

2. He put forward a photograph he'd supposedly taken. At the bottom of that photograph, he signed it.
3. Photographers would almost certainly use their "real name" as a signature.
4. We can deduce then, with a reasonable certainty, that Andreus Thanos wants us to believe that that was his real name

^Do you find any flaw in that logic?

Yes.

Lewis Carroll's real name is Charles Lutwig Dodgson, but is known professionally as Lewis Carroll. The same can be said for any number of musicians and actors who have a professional or stage name.

Here in .za, the indigenous people were obliged to use "white" names in order to please their colonial masters. Those who didn't have a white name as a second name - sadly still a common practice even in this day and age - were given one and forced to use it.

So.... any chance Andreus Thanos was just an anglicised half-version of his full Greek or ?Serbian (I seem to recall there being a link to old Yugoslavia in his heritage somewhere) name, made easy for us filthy foreigners and for him to work more easily in an English-speaking country which he used full time in the end?

Re: Tell me more about Andreus

Back in the Dark Ages when people read books, I read mystery or detective stories voraciously. One week, I read five--yes, five--Agatha Christie mysteries.

Having said that, you will note that in the beginning of this thread, I believed Andreus was absolutely real. Someone said something that began to sow the seeds of doubt in my mind, which led to an investigation that unearthed a fraud.

I believe that almost everybody in here now believes he was probably a fake. (There might be one or two holdouts). In this sense, at least, we can probably call this most tantalizing mystery "solved".

The End.

(bibliography comes next. )

you know, it's truly not the end until someone confirms that he was a fraud. it's funny how bostonpirate hauled ass out of this thread about a week and some change ago now over this. you think he'll ever come back or he's forever on the 1am?

one thing about the closet/you don't have to hurry/it will be bad tomorrow/so brother, don't you worry

Re: Tell me more about Andreus

justaguy responded with embarrassment. notice that everybody else on the list has by noticably silent.

Why would I post conceding embarrassment? I was only responding to the number of people who come in and say something like "lol lock this" or "not worth our time" or "witch hunt" yet make the time to keep coming back and saying something to that effect.

Re: Tell me more about Andreus

Originally Posted by xbuzzerx

.... I was only responding to the number of people who come in and say something like "lol lock this" or "not worth our time" or "witch hunt" yet make the time to keep coming back and saying something to that effect.

But it's so fucking entertaining!!! I'm with Ravenstar on this ... it's like a soapie that I'm hooked on ... can't wait for the next installment!! Plus I'm still waiting for that Boston Pirate character to come back ... he's got some explaining to do!!!

Re: Tell me more about Andreus

Originally Posted by ozguy

But it's so fucking entertaining!!! I'm with Ravenstar on this ... it's like a soapie that I'm hooked on ... can't wait for the next installment!! Plus I'm still waiting for that Boston Pirate character to come back ... he's got some explaining to do!!!

As another member who was around during the whole of Andrus 'life 'on JUB I have followed this thread with interest but I think if the discussion continues we must go back to the first posting from BostonPirate.
Within a few minutes of Hooded Rat,( who has definately been around during the whole saga), claiming that Andreus was a fake, BostonPilot started posting claiming he personally knew Andreus.
I do not think BostoPilot, who was a very prolific poster, had previously posted anything about Andreus. He claimed for the first time that he personally knew him in Boston. No other member has throughout this Thread claimed that honour! At the time concerned presumably around 2006 there was another regular poster in Boston, forgot his name, but he met other members. Surely he would have been aware of Andreus in the gay community.
For two days BostonPilot posted continuously further details of Andreus's life as he knew it first hand ! Attacking anyone who challanged his views! Very much like Andreus himself did . After only two days of posting he completely disappears from JUB. If you remove BostonPilot's posts from this Thread you are very short of true facts and I think if it had not been for his intervention this Thread would have died a 'natural ' life!
I also think Enchanted's innocently raising this subject must have some doubt attached to it. In his last posting here before he was banned for a second time he makes other suggestions.
If people want to start another chase to keep this Thread alive BostonPilot or Enchanted have some answering to do !

Re: Tell me more about Andreus

It's hard to say if he'll come back. I hope he does, because only he can shed some light on a few things.

If he does, I reckon he'll remain mum on the subject and refuse to be drawn on it.

Originally Posted by BiMike

I do not think BostoPilot, who was a very prolific poster, had previously posted anything about Andreus. He claimed for the first time that he personally knew him in Boston. No other member has throughout this Thread claimed that honour! At the time concerned presumably around 2006 there was another regular poster in Boston, forgot his name, but he met other members. Surely he would have been aware of Andreus in the gay community.

You might be referring to our beloved bi-guy, nicknamed JimmyDozen, officially known as James1200 who was fairly prolific back then but has since fallen off the face of the earth. I do recall a thread in which the two of them threatened to meet up since they were both in Bahston, but I don't recall hearing anything beyond that.

Re: Tell me more about Andreus

Originally Posted by BiMike

As another member who was around during the whole of Andrus 'life 'on JUB I have followed this thread with interest but I think if the discussion continues we must go back to the first posting from BostonPirate.
Within a few minutes of Hooded Rat,( who has definately been around during the whole saga), claiming that Andreus was a fake, BostonPilot started posting claiming he personally knew Andreus.
I do not think BostoPilot, who was a very prolific poster, had previously posted anything about Andreus. He claimed for the first time that he personally knew him in Boston. No other member has throughout this Thread claimed that honour! At the time concerned presumably around 2006 there was another regular poster in Boston, forgot his name, but he met other members. Surely he would have been aware of Andreus in the gay community.
For two days BostonPilot posted continuously further details of Andreus's life as he knew it first hand ! Attacking anyone who challanged his views! Very much like Andreus himself did . After only two days of posting he completely disappears from JUB. If you remove BostonPilot's posts from this Thread you are very short of true facts and I think if it had not been for his intervention this Thread would have died a 'natural ' life!
I also think Enchanted's innocently raising this subject must have some doubt attached to it. In his last posting here before he was banned for a second time he makes other suggestions.
If people want to start another chase to keep this Thread alive BostonPilot or Enchanted have some answering to do !

I’ll bet you’re thinking of the bus guy. He had, at one time, built a small/model town he called JUBville with his model trains and some of the model busses he had collected over the years, and posted some fun pictures of it for us.

I don’t want to mention his name, here, as he may not want the attention doing so might arouse.

As I recall, he worked at the University, in the dinning room/kitchen, and yes, he did meet up with JUBbers from time to time.

I have thought about him more than a few times while watching this thread, and wondered what he might have added to it.

Re: Tell me more about Andreus

At the time concerned presumably around 2006 there was another regular poster in Boston, forgot his name, but he met other members. Surely he would have been aware of Andreus in the gay community.

Are you thinking of Bradlee?

Bradlee would have been aware of two gay Greek brothers, for sure, especially when one claimed to work as a prostitute. Even in large gay communities there must be stars. A dancer at gay clubs with a 10 inch Greek cock must, at least, get lots of word of mouth.

This thread would have died long ago had Boston Pilate not have overplayed his hand.