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Apologies if I'm flogging a dead horse by now, but I feel it would be interesting if the relationship between Mewtwo and Genesect was like that of Batman and the Joker. It feels like Genesect would work really well as the anti-Mewtwo (partly due to having type advantages over him and similar yet different backstories), and perhaps a reflection of what Mewtwo probably would have become had it not been for Ash's sacrifice - a cold, heartless killer who has strayed too far to be turned back. I want N's belief of "Pokémon modified by science lose their natural beauty" to be more of a belief - I want it to look like N had a point in stopping the development of Genesect by having it (them?) behave irrationally and perhaps slightly insane (assuming N was involved in Genesect's animé backstory).

Holy hell, I second this theory all the way. I don't think the writers are smart (or daring) enough to do this kind of clever writing, but that would be glorious.

The more I think about it, even if it takes place during Episode N, I still don't think any team changes are gonna occur outside of Charizard possibly leaving the group before the movie. That would just be too confusing for those who don't always watch certain episodes

I mean if Person A were not to watch the episode where Oshawott hypothetically evolves, but watches the Genesect movie AND sees Oshawott, I'm pretty sure they aren't going to be puzzled, unless they knew about Dewott, even though they didn't watch it evolve.

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Meaningless. The movie websites have been wrong before (Movie 14's showed TR in black uniforms even long after they went back to white) and even if you ignore that, if the movie website actually mentioned Kanto or the islands, it would have spoiled us far in advance of this being revealed.

He is in Unova as of the time the site was created, therefore, it is not actually inaccurate.

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I mean if Person A were not to watch the episode where Oshawott hypothetically evolves, but watches the Genesect movie AND sees Oshawott, I'm pretty sure they aren't going to be puzzled, unless they knew about Dewott, even though they didn't watch it evolve.

That actually makes a lot of sense... which means I really need to put a lot more thought into my posts :/

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That actually makes a lot of sense... which means I really need to put a lot more thought into my posts :/

That was weird, I was literally just about to respond to your last post saying exactly what dman said (aside from the Oshawott=Dewott reasoning).

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I can't believe Movie 16's placement is causing this much debate.

I feel it fits better in Episode N, that's my opinion but am i complaining? No.

It's either going to place in Episode N, or DA. Nothing more nothing less. Is it not possible to wait for more information? Or have people actually resorted to caving in on the confusing/misleading information despite it going on for 16 years?

That was weird, I was literally just about to respond to your last post saying exactly what dman said (aside from the Oshawott=Dewott reasoning).

I've have weirder coincidences XD

I can't believe Movie 16's placement is causing this much debate.

I feel it fits better in Episode N, that's my opinion but am i complaining? No.

It's either going to place in Episode N, or DA. Nothing more nothing less. Is it not possible to wait for more information? Or have people actually resorted to caving in on the confusing/misleading information despite it going on for 16 years?

Like right now, because I was gonna say something like this, though I don't care about which season it fits more into...

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That was weird, I was literally just about to respond to your last post saying exactly what dman said (aside from the Oshawott=Dewott reasoning).

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I can't believe Movie 16's placement is causing this much debate.

I feel it fits better in Episode N, that's my opinion but am i complaining? No.

It's either going to place in Episode N, or DA. Nothing more nothing less. Is it not possible to wait for more information? Or have people actually resorted to caving in on the confusing/misleading information despite it going on for 16 years?

The only reason I even brought it up was so people would stop with the movie poster crap.

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There is no reason why it cant occur during dekoroa. was kingdom of the vale located near nimbasa city? Was roshan city and the train tracks anywhere around icirrus? well then why can't they go from dekoroa to new tork? Oh BTW miju is still not evolving

There is no reason why it cant occur during dekoroa. was kingdom of the vale located near nimbasa city? Was roshan city and the train tracks anywhere around icirrus? well then why can't they go from dekoroa to new tork? Oh BTW miju is still not evolving

That doesn't change the fact that they were still in Unova and that those movies weren't actually cannon.

No one wants him to I want him to leave lol

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Meaningless. The movie websites have been wrong before (Movie 14's showed TR in black uniforms even long after they went back to white) and even if you ignore that, if the movie website actually mentioned Kanto or the islands, it would have spoiled us far in advance of this being revealed.

He is in Unova as of the time the site was created, therefore, it is not actually inaccurate.

It may not be conclusive proof, but it is definitely not meaningless. The biography didn't have to mention any region; the Movie 8 website didn't say anything about Hoenn or Kanto.

If you went by that logic, Movie 1 shouldn't be canon since in the games Mewtwo never had anything to do with Team Rocket at all (and we all know Movie 1 had scenes in the anime regardless). Also, Movie 2 shouldn't be canon since there is no statement Lugia controls the bird trio.

There are tonnes more reasons why you're logic isn't correct, but you get the point.

Besides, as of right now Kyurem hasn't appeared in the anime so we don't know it's anime story yet.

Not true about Lugia, PMD (while a spin off game) made mention that Lugia is indeed the Trio Master of the birds. Plus it makes sense since Ho-Oh is the Trio Master of the beast.

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Not true about Lugia, PMD (while a spin off game) made mention that Lugia is indeed the Trio Master of the birds. Plus it makes sense since Ho-Oh is the Trio Master of the beast.

Ah, never noticed it in the MD games, but still i'd be weary about it since the main series is different to the spin-offs. In the MD games remember that Pokemon (legendaries specifically) all have different roles and background stories. It's an entirely different universe.

Anyway, I agree it makes sense Lugia is the master but nothing has been confirmed in the main series games at least.

Ah, never noticed it in the MD games, but still i'd be weary about it since the main series is different to the spin-offs. In the MD games remember that Pokemon (legendaries specifically) all have different roles and background stories. It's an entirely different universe.

Anyway, I agree it makes sense Lugia is the master but nothing has been confirmed in the main series games at least.

Fair enough, though by today's standards, most people consider Lugia the master, as all trios (except the Tao trio) have one. Before you say the weather trio, Rayquaza is said to be the internal master, much like Landorus

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The guys at Cinnabar Mansion did create Mewtwo in the games, but Team Rocket had no part in it. And there wasn't any intention of bringing a dead girl back to life, they just made Mewtwo because someone said "You know what? Let's make the world's strongest Pokémon!"

Shokotan: "And then, in Extremespeed Genesect: The Awakening of Mewtwo, we meet another Mewtwo!"
Yuyama: "Yes, I thought it'd be better if it was a different Mewtwo."

Good for you Yuyama. Too bad you've singlehandedly torpedoed any lingering respect I and anyone else had for you.

The guys at Cinnabar Mansion did create Mewtwo in the games, but Team Rocket had no part in it. And there wasn't any intention of bringing a dead girl back to life, they just made Mewtwo because someone said "You know what? Let's make the world's strongest Pokémon!"

There is no way to tell what the game background behind Mewtwo's creation is. The mere fact that Dr. Fuji became Mr. Fuji implies that the story is a lot more involved than what you're suggesting.

There is no way to tell what the game background behind Mewtwo's creation is. The mere fact that Dr. Fuji became Mr. Fuji implies that the story is a lot more involved than what you're suggesting.

Read the journals in Cinnabar Mansion. They describe Mewtwo's backstory pretty well (even saying that Mewtwo was born like real clones, not grown independently). And if Mewtwo was always meant to have been made by Team Rocket, then why haven't the games mentioned it by now? Even Genesect had Team Plasma mentioned in it's Pokédex entry, so why would Game Freak leave out what's a pretty important detail?

Shokotan: "And then, in Extremespeed Genesect: The Awakening of Mewtwo, we meet another Mewtwo!"
Yuyama: "Yes, I thought it'd be better if it was a different Mewtwo."

Good for you Yuyama. Too bad you've singlehandedly torpedoed any lingering respect I and anyone else had for you.

Read the journals in Cinnabar Mansion. They describe Mewtwo's backstory pretty well (even saying that Mewtwo was born like real clones, not grown independently). And if Mewtwo was always meant to have been made by Team Rocket, then why haven't the games mentioned it?

You misunderstood me. I don't think that Team Rocket had anything to do with Mewtwo in the games, but your claim that the in-game Dr. Fuji just randomly created Mewtwo has no factual support. I'm aware of the in-game quotes (not just the one from the journal), and they hint at a deeper story.