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Comment by Thundurmaul

Requires a Dragon's Eye, so it's possible it may be adjusted to be JC only. Hopefully it will remain as an upgrade over the previous prismatics that everyone could use as a quick way to meet meta requirements for gear sets with low socket counts.

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Comment by TheAshenVerdict

Does anyone use these gems? Honestly, I'm a mage, I don't understand the whole +stats business.

Comment by gunman22

only hunters really benifet from all 10 to stats, but its still crap compared to regular gems\\

why down rate this is obviously a waste of a gem imo look at the other new gems in the next patch.

Comment by TheAshenVerdict

I would suspect somewhere theres some paladin spec that does.

Comment by Supercool

Any non-Jewelcrafting warrior pre-3.2 should have been using Relentless Earthsiege Diamond with a single Enchanted Tear as his "blue" gem being a very slight upgrade to Sovereign Twilight Opal (Jewelcrafters could just use Chaotic Skyflare and not have to worry about it). Come 3.2, with the changes to Dragon's Eyes making them non-prismatic, that setup with be true for all warriors with this replacing the Tear.

Comment by akkon

Useles? As an enhancement shaman this gem will be far from useles, Compared to a Bright Cardinal Ruby this gives me 31 AP, which is only 9 AP under. And ofc you would not put this gem into a red/ yellow socket, you'd wait for a blue with some nice AP/ agility on it as socket bonus. So lets say it's socket bonus is 12 AP and we end up slightly over the Bright Cardinal Ruby and then, we allso have the +crit from the agility which is 0.16 crit.

And in any normal raid you'll have BoK, here's the calculation with that included:

I know that your point of wiev where not from my angle, and mine not from yours, but just becouse you can't properly use it dose'nt mean no one can.

Comment by Ramsay

Remember that this gem is prismatic and it will allow you to fill a meta gem requirement. Given that the +10 stats boost can be quite powerful, there is no reason why anyone shouldn't have atleast one of these in their gear. Especially jewelcrafters.

Comment by drooood

Pretty stupid that there exists a gem that is equal to the best-in-slot chest enchant. Just saying.

Comment by AlphaKlams

Something to note for plate DPS, since most will be aiming for http://www.wowhead.com/?item=41285 as their meta gem, is that this will likely become the popular gem for reaching the 2 blue gem requirement. Most people have been using the Str / Stam gems to meet the requirement, and since the 3.2 version (http://ptr.wowhead.com/?item=40129) only provides +10 Str / +15 Stam, most plate DPS will readily take this for the +10 to Agility in addition to the Strength bonus while only losing a worthless +5 Stam.

Edit: With the introduction of this, Relentless Earthsiege Diamond is becoming popular for plate DPS, since you can fulfill the meta requirement using only this prismatic, whereas the requirement for Chaotic Skyflare Diamond would require you to sacrifice another gem. Thanks for the corrections from those who replied :)

Comment by Calibro

Great for a kitty. Choose a piece with the best bonus and place this baby there.

Comment by xstaindx

(Orange + Purple) (Pure Agility, Agility/Hit/Crit, Agilty/Stam)(Red + Green) <=== Poor for the Hit Capped Hunter (Red, Blue, Yellow) <=== You should never have a raw blue. We are not Healers/Tanks(Red + Prismatic) The Best for Pure DPS.

Hunters obviously know the smallest about the gem sockets you need to turn on your meta the better. The problem is that the non prismatic way of doing this is poor. Prismatic gems are sweet as they count for 1 of every color towards your meta.

Our problem is that the green Epic Gems provide very little DPS help to the Hit capped hunter, these gems also can offer haste or crit rating. By going about this the prismatic way we can get an additional 10 raw dps stats out of the deal by using the +10 All stats somewhere in our gear and just Red Gems everywhere else to activate the Relentless meta. This is because it only takes 1 additional socket to activate your meta gem instead of 2.

Comment by Chariot

Attack power has higher value than crit rating. So, using a Nightmare Tear and a 10 strength/15 stamina to sustain the 2 blue gem requirement of http://www.wowhead.com/?item=41285 will provide less dps than the alternative. Not using this meta allows you to gem for more strength while sustaining +3% to critical strike damage. It's a dps gain. Don't believe me? Here's the Elitist Jerks threads on all of the classes you mentioned (plate dps):

Comment by Aknazer

This is a rather good gem for enh shaman. We gain 31AP (before buffs), some minor melee/spell crit, and can fill a blue gem slot for the meta. And if you use it in PvP gear you will get even more use out of it thanks to the stam and mana (which don't matter a whole lot in PvE). While I wouldn't regem my gear to have nothing but these (which you obviously can't do given that it's unique-equipped), I would certainly use one of these in my gear if given the option to do so.

Comment by Sebastionleo

This is a very good gems for a rogue as well. We would normally put a 10 agi 15 stam gem into our Footpads of Silence blue socket (or whatever else you have with a blue) in order to make our meta. Instead, we can use this, which amounts to 10 agi and 10 ap (from strength) which is 10 AP more than we get from the epic purple we would normally use.

That said, its much better for hunters, enhance shaman, and kitties, but very worth using for a rogue.

Comment by xenee

Placing this gem in the Eternal Belt Buckle slot (prismatic) counts for one of each of the gems towards meta gem activation!

Comment by Ryucchi

Chaotic Skyflare Diamond is for Caster DPS, I think you men Relentless Earthsiege Diamond?

Comment by Divez

I don't know why several comments here have been down voted.

I would say Relentless Earthseige would be preferred for a warrior over Chaotic, barring two very good socket bonuses requiring blue gems, and no good socket bonus requiring a yellow. I only do this math for a warrior because that's what I play, but any other class could just follow the same steps, replacing the agi to crit% ratio and determine which is better for them.

The former is effected by kings, gaining 2.1 agi which equals .0336% crit. 3360+.0336=3696% crit.

Now, what has to be considered here is the meta gem requirements. Let's ignore socket bonuses for this example, and just say that for the Chaotic you would use 2 Sovereign epic gems (10str/15stam), and for Relentless you use 1 Sovereign and 1 Inscribed (10str/10crit). So, if you are considering 15 stam relatively useless, you gain 10 crit by chooseing Relentless.

Now, obviously socket bonuses are going to change things, so to determine what is actually best for you, you really have to look at the best socket bonuses in your gear. If you have two +8 str bonuses that each require a blue gem, that may turn out to be better.

Taking this particular gem into consideration though, makes Relentless even better, because you no longer even need a yellow gem (if I'm not mistaken and this counts as both a blue and a yellow). So you get 10 str for using Relentless over the same 10 stam.

Comment by palaka

First of all sorry for my bad english:

There's something I don't understand here and I need help. Let's see:

My meta gem requires 1 Red, 1 Yellow and 1 Blue.If I only had 1 socket to put a gem on it appart from the one I put the meta... and if I put this gem on it will it activate the meta? Or does it only counts as ONE of any color that you need to activate the meta, only one?

Thanks in advance, I would appreciate responses of ppl who has this gem and can recreate this experiment by going nude and just equip the helmet and the piece with this gem on it and see if it activates even though you have more than one (at least two) gems missing to activate teh meta.

Comment by Xhougnaamn

Chariot, there is no logic in your math. No matter who your sources are, here is the real math.

Now, all hit-capped plate-dps will obviously have to choose between Sovereign Dreadstone and Nightmare Tear at one point in order to be able to use an effective meta. There really is no comparison. You are choosing between +10 strength, +15 stamina from the purple gem, or +10 all stats from the prismatic.

It is clear that the only useful plate dps stats here are strength and agility (hence why I crossed all the others out). The only difference being that one gives you only strength, and the other gives you the same amount of strength with the addition of 10 agility.

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Comment by xenee

It doesn't work like that, it "matches any socket" meaning if you place in a Yellow socket it only counts as Yellow towards meta gem, saying that placing in a prismatic socket such as one supllied by the Eternal Belt Belt it will Do as you say.

Comment by Synkage

First off, there seems to be an issue with the understanding of prismatic gems; since the gem is prismatic, it instantly counts as ANY gem that could possibly be socket-ed.

Since the Nightmare Tear and the Enchanted Tear are two different prismatic gems, it would be beneficial for someone who doesn't want to socket gems of another color to socket both, as it would then equate to:

2 Prismatic Gems = 2 Blue / 2 Red / 2 Yellow

A rogue is a poor example, but if for any reason a rogue needed more than one yellow or blue socket and only stacked agility like I do, they could socket two prismatic gems to fill a two blue, two yellow, or two red socket requirement without actually having to use a blue, yellow, or red gem.

ROGUESI personally stack agility like no other, all of my gems being +20/+34 with 2 +16 gems that I intend to switch out. This satisfies the requirement for the Relentless Earthsiege Diamond and ALSO provides just as much attack power as the +20 agility gem (+10 str / +10 agi = +20 atp). The crit is a little lower, but it's so low it doesn't even matter. I guess the +10 stam can be nice if you like to PvP.

This works very nicely on the Tier 8 legs because I'm able to put a +20 / +34 in the red slot and then put the prismatic in the yellow slot, which gives me the +6 agi bonus so it's as if I had a +16 agi gem in there to begin with on TOP of the +10 str.

Furthermore, the only green gem that would be worthwhile tends to increase stamina and crit (Jagged Forest Emerald / Jagged Eye of Zul) , which is MUCH better spent in agility for a PvE rogue - and in some cases, a PvP rogue.

A very, very nice addition to the already overpowered Jewelcrafting profession :D.

- Synkage, Shattered Halls

Comment by Silvaitos

Great for feral druids, particularly if you are, just for instance, trying to get a socket bonus from a blue slot. Compared to, say, the next best choice, http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40130, you sacrifice a measly five stamina for a whole 22 more attack power (given talents--24 with kings) and, if you happen to be a PvPer, some spare intellect for power shifting and the like. Is five stamina really that important to you? Not to me!

Comment by Vonriel

Don't forget the wonderfully delicious 1-of-each-gem meta requirements, which this will fulfill all in one. For ret paladins, this is a godsend; every other gem in our gear can be +20 strength as a result, while we get the Relentless Earthsiege Diamond meta requirement met by a +10 to all stats. You just can't make up for that.

Comment by BaneDrasol

If you'd pay attention to what you're reading you'd see that he said PLATE dps, nothing in there about casters.

Comment by Whybag

This gem will activate that meta, with no other gems, correct.

Comment by Slepner

some of my guild mates keeps saying that only one of this kind of gem can be use on a character.

any proof of it ?

Comment by Baddy36

Yes, u can use both of them.

Just checked it :)

Comment by TheMardraum

In terms of mages on this gem, there's not much I can say aside from it's good when you have one too many blue sockets.Sure, you can skip the bonus if it's not good and just shove more spellpower in there, but if any mage at all would ever use this, it would only be an arcane mage because they'd get additional spirit and int from it, which are some key arcane stats.

Comment by Chitzkoi

If you're a Holy Paladin, like myself, you never EVER use this gem in your gear. Intellect is still an awesome and primary stat for us, but if you're looking for that extra kick to your survivability, you might as well go for Timeless Eye of Zul instead.

Comment by Herethbane

Hey people!

When Cataclysm comes, values such as Mana Per 5 Second, Defense, Dodge, Haste, Armor Penetration will be removed and gained through the 5 primary stats(Stamina, Strength, Agility, Intellect, Spirit) and the Mastery System.

So this and enchantments that add values to all stats will be very powerful. Of course, Blizzard will do something about it. But if they did not notice it, this should be placed into a socket to gain all that bonus till Blizzard make a change. By then, you are most likely level 85.

=)

Comment by Harvstr

just wondering, does this give any haste?

Comment by swirlyeyes

I believe that a recent patch made it so that Prismatic gems don't give a +1 count to each color anymore.

If you socket it into a blue it counts as a blue and only blue gem for the meta requirement.

Comment by wye43

It's pretty difficult to make a short tooltip that correctly describes the functionality of this gem

There are two sides of it:

For META requirements: one nightmare tear will count as 3 gems (1 red and 1 blue and 1 yellow)

For socket bonuses: one nightmare tear will count as 1 gem (1 red or 1 blue or 1 yellow)

Comment by bathazar

yes you can

Comment by Bersuch

ok i got a question for this gem, and for RET paladins, every where ive been reading has been for warriors and no paladin info. So, my question is, should i get this gem and get the 21 agi/ 3% crit dmg for a meta (req. 1 red, 1 blue, 1 yellow) or keep the 21 crit strike/ 3% crit dmg?

I keep getting told if i go with the Agi way my dps will go up cause ill have more room to stack STR = more AP, but ive noticed a fellow ret paladin of my guild goes the way that ive been getting told to go, He has more STR, and more agi than i but i have about 200 less Dps then him, and im in almost 232 gear not 245 like him. so will some one please let me know if im doing something wrong or doing something right?

a friend of mine also states that i will get more Str and Agi out of this, lol yes i get more agi i knew that, but as i was saying b4, a fellow ret paladin has more Str and more agi than I but i deal almost his dps (and he is in pure 245 gear and im in 219-232 gear)

Thanks

PS, am i an exception to the whole 21 agi vs the 21 crit lol

Comment by Chancelot

Yes, for retribution paladins this is great for activating your meta (21 agi, 3% crit damage). You do not want to go with the skyflare diamond since you have to sacrifice another gem slot to place a blue/purple gem in it. Furthermore, agility scales with raid blessings (i.e. kings), while crit does not.

I believe the Agi/Crit conversion for paladins is 52 agi = 1% crit.

So, find one of your blue sockets that has a worthwhile socket bonus (i.e. strength). Slap the nightmare tear into that. Reds = Str, Yellow = Str, unless you have 2pc of Tier 9+. In that case, if the socket bonus on the yellow is +4 Str or better, go with a 10 Str/10 crit orange gem.

Comment by kurtykat

I would like to know if you can equip more then one of them in your gear total because of the "unique-equipped" in it's description.

Comment by fLhy

You can put them in as many gear parts as you want, but you will only be able to wear one of those at once. So for example having one in your healing gear and one in your dps gear works fine.

Comment by kurtykat

Ahh, no I mean't two in my dps. Thanks, btw I'm a warrior, not a druid/pally. I don;t heal. xD

Comment by demoliser

Erhmm,, DKs use the blue gems sockets for +25 spell penetration

we use that because of the druids / paladins with there MoTW and shadow resistance aura - same as for mage armor and priests shadow prot...

we have to penetrate that resistance so our scourge strike/ chainz of ice etc. wont be resisted or reduced from damage.

and we use the cloack enchant (35+ spell pen) aprox you need to get between 110-135 spell pen.

so DK's if you have this gem use it on a yellow socket since crit isnt to much necessary,, higher normal hits are more important.

cya

PS: yes its for pvp >< why downrate this? :S

Comment by Kirandir

Isn't there a cap on the number of Nightmare Tears one can use? I tried to gem it and I got a message such as "you cannot use more of those gems". Can anyone confirm this?

Comment by Elorivan

Read the posts/item description before asking...

To quote DynamicBits:

The phrase "Unique-Equipped" should be enough proof.

You can only equip one of these.

edit: Clarity.

Comment by Elvaan

Does This Gem Affect The Whole Gear? Or only the item which its attached on?

please someone explain ;)

Comment by Hankscorpio

Should tanks use this? I put it in the red slot on Verdigris Chain Belt

Comment by pnukup

Will this check off one red spot, one green spot and one blue spot?Regarding activating a meta gem.

For example: I have a meta gem that need 1 yellow, 1red and 1blue to function.Is it possible for me to activate this meta gem with this Nightmare Tear and rest yellow gems?

Comment by Oroleen

Stupid newb question time: is the unique equipped on this seperate from the "unique: 3 Dragon's Eye gems" on DE gems? In other words, can I have this equipped AND three Dragon eyes? I'm thinking most likely yes, even if it is made using a Dragon's Eye, it isn't listed as one in the name - but I really would rather be safe than sorry when I blow those 3 tokens on my 3rd dragon's eye & new cut for it - only to find out it's my FOURTH.

Comment by IbFeeshin

Remove before fighting algalon.

Comment by Tuknar

Alright, it's noob question time again...I was just wondering if i could gem all of my brand new gear with this beauty, but some JCs tell me that it's not possible, that it only lets me have 1 of this in my whole armor set... on the other hand I clearly remember seeing quite recently some of you guys armor set with this gem on all sockets in all of the pieces...

So, please, can anyone confirm before buying a dozen of these, if I can use it on all my armor sockets at the same time?

Comment by Nihlo

in 4.0.1 "stats" means int,str,agi & sta...but not spirit since it is a 2nd stat

Comment by urza311

I'm 99.9% sure I know the answer to this, but want to get perfectly clear. This adds +10 to "all stats". I'm assuming this means *just* str, agi, sta, int and spirit. Anyone know -for sure- that it does not also add to armor, dodge, parry, etc?

Comment by Silrod

Your English isn't bad at all, It's good that you learned a new language in the first place. Don't listen to anyone judging the way you speak.

Comment by Natteravn

Still gives 10 SPIRIT after 4.0.1It adds 10 points to all stats, and by that Blizzard mean "Attributes". They are shown under "Character Information"/"Attributes"

Strength

Agility

Stamnia

Intellect

Spirit

This has been confirmed. This also mean it does not affect your ratings like haste, crit, dodge etc. unless your tallents transform some of the "Attributes" into those ratings.

Comment by Lautoa

now that agi does nothing for us, i can't think of any remote reason for any type of warrior to use this.

Comment by rivellangel

I used up my spare Dalaran JC tokens on Dragon's Eye to make these to level up JC (went green at 452 and grey at 465).

It will be different for every server but I've sold over 50 since the start of cata for 100-150g each. I'm not really sure why.

Comment by bigboyscout

This one is not like the other wotlk gems, which say that they cannot be placed in level 300 or higher gear. That may be why it was selling well. I intend to use it until i can make or afford to get the Cata equivalent, if there is one.

Comment by unknowen9000

Sadly, no Cata equivalent. At least, not yet.

Comment by Seezer

I've been selling these for 500-600g a piece on my server since launch? I didn't think to start them that high, but another JC had a few up for that price, so i started selling them. My question is this. Who the hell is paying that much for them, and why?

Comment by bojan112

could be really good for some classes, exaple enchancement shaman: agi=dmg, str=dmg, int=dmg and mana, spirit=hit which means more dmg, stamina=hp

Comment by meohmy

Some people ask why people would buy this and pay so much well here's what i think.

Reason these sell so high is due to the Belt enchant adding a slot for 1 Prismatic and now in the game most dont use it for any other ger then for their belt Bonus and like most people they want the best in Prismatic and far as i know this is the highest for stats in Prismatic. Even at a high lvl a belt +10 to all stats is a big deal. Who would not want to give their toon a 1 up over others.

Comment by Centrisian

Since the advent of scaling stats on gems/enchants and the removal of level requirements for enchants, this gem has started providing less stats for 80s than it did originally, down to +4 from +10. Just something that people gearing for Herald of the Titans may want to take into consideration when gemming.

Comment by Bucher999

Ok I gotta ask, I saw a 550 pvp arms warrior with this gem in his belt socket... Why?

Comment by Lepto

I created two of these and on my JC they are +10 stats. I moved them to my bank alt (non-JC) to sell at AH and now they are only +2 stats. Looks like JC get a bigger bonus from these.

Comment by weibe23

after patch 5.4 enchants/gems scale base on level and also scale in BGs

since then it has been bugged......it shows +0 stats on offical WOW site, in game shows +2 stats but actually gives +8 stats when in a BGs for players 70+. only level 90's get. +10 stats

Comment by Aciago

This gem will give you +10 to all stats ONLY at level 90.

If you are trying to use it as level 80 (for Ulduar achievement for example), this gem will give +4 stats.This is scaling system for all kinds of enchants, so working as intended.

Comment by Skullhawk13

This now gives a smaller stat bonus than the blue equivelent...Rather strange.