Post by RichterB on Aug 8, 2018 21:18:23 GMT -6

The thing that's been largely overlooked is that the ENTIRE LIST of E3 "rumors/leaks" noted in the Castlevania Dungeon Forums have come true now--even this one about Simon that some said was far-fetetched--except for the new Castlevania game project. So, if Ridley and Ice Climbers and Simon were real, and the Resident Evil 2 Remake for PS4 was real...I think we may be looking at least at a teaser of a new Castlevania game (or a collection*) by the time E3 2019 rolls around.

*I'm having trouble remembering if the "collection" in the rumors was just Hyper Sports R or not. But there was definitely a second "game" mentioned by Gamekult and at least one other source that seemed to strongly suggest a new Castlevania game. One "leaker" went so far as to note it was to counter Bloodstained's rise, as I recall. And given Konami's statements about Switch during Bomberman R, and all this Smash Bros action, it could be that Switch will be the test system for the revival.

Considering this thread, I made this other thread in error, apparently. Maybe it should be merged into this thread about Simon.

Post by Autumn on Aug 9, 2018 15:15:24 GMT -6

The thing that's been largely overlooked is that the ENTIRE LIST of E3 "rumors/leaks" noted in the Castlevania Dungeon Forums have come true now--even this one about Simon that some said was far-fetetched--except for the new Castlevania game project. So, if Ridley and Ice Climbers and Simon were real, and the Resident Evil 2 Remake for PS4 was real...I think we may be looking at least at a teaser of a new Castlevania game (or a collection*) by the time E3 2019 rolls around.

Ridley was nothing short of a shock, but Simon, Ice Climbers, and Resident Evil 2 weren't exactly difficult to predict.

Simon was one of the last huge NES icons not yet represented in Smash.

The only reason the Ice Climbers ever left us is because of technical difficulties involving the 3DS version of the previous game.

The development of Resident Evil 2 Remake was announced back in 2015; it would have been weird to hear no news about it by E3 2018.

I don't think I've seen Castlevania Dungeon's rumor/leak list, though, so there might be some more details I'm unaware of.

Post by RichterB on Aug 9, 2018 17:28:50 GMT -6

I'm maybe getting a little too excited, and I don't mean to undercut Bloodstained at all, but here's basically the gist of what was going down around Castlevania Dungeon Forums (CDF) during E3:

Sorry to double post but the guy who started/pushed the Ridley, Ice Climbers, Simon in Smash rumor is now claiming Konami is bringing a new Castlevania and a collection to E3;

As I understand it, a GameFAQ post by a user named Vergeben said the following:

Castelvania is making a comeback with two new titles.I believe each are multiplatform releases (one may be Switch exclusive but haven't been able to verify that).One is a new title and the other a collection of classic Castlevania games, with Symphony of the Night being the headline game.

I heard a few months back that Wii's Castlevania: The Adventure ReBirth would be coming to Switch, so it's probably part of that collection of classic Castlevania games.But I'm not entirely sure if there's connection between my hearing that back then and this info pretty recently about these Castlevania games.But this info about the two Castlevania games come from someone mighty reputable (who also has heard the same Smash leaks that I have, in case you are curious) so I have no reason to not believe them first and foremost.Meaning, put that information in front of Castlevania: The Adventure ReBirth re-releasing on Switch. Though there is a possible overlap between the two things and part of the compilation.

Apparently, I guess this user also spoke of a recent, new Shonen Jump fighting game before it was announced as well. Then...

A user by the name of Dusk Golem who posts on ResetERA, who's been in the know about REmake 2 for ages, said Konami has a game to "counter" Bloodstained.

(It was pointed out that the above user was wrong [at least at this point] about continued support for Marvel vs. Capcom Infinite, though.) Then, a French gaming site came into things about their interactions with Konami...[accurate translation is important about this "evidence," and I don't speak French to confirm one way or the other, but a second CDF user seemed to back it up after the first]:

Gamekult talk about being invited to a closed doors presentation to an unannounced game today at around the 38:00 mark.

It's in French, but a few dudes on ResetERA indeed confirm that's what is spoken about in the video at around that timeframe. I'll just quote one of the users who summarized the segment, as I imagine all of can't understand French.

"They are talking about it at 38.00The gamekult team has a meeting for a unnanounced game.This isn't PES or the sport compilation (i don't know a thing about this game).The editor in chief knows some things on this game but can't talk about it yet."

Then...

Interesting. One of the guys [at Gamekult] asks if it's horror-related and the guy who knows about the game hesitates before dismissing the question. Really smells like it could be Castlevania.

There was one last post by the original "leaker," which a CFD user noted:

Vergeben is claiming the embargo was for the sports game they announced, but still says the two Castlevania games he spoke about exist.

After this, there was no Simon or Castlevania at E3, and it became a pretty negative and/or dead thread. But to this conversation, I personally added a look at the curious trends and news blips surrounding these rumors--again, Simon was at the time thought to be a false rumor:

1.) As reported on numerous sites in June 2017 from Konami rep: "All I can say is that there is lots of internal discussions going on within Konami regarding what games we can bring to the Nintendo Switch, other than Bomberman, a game which we are well aware of its heritage and how loved it and Castlevania is. So much so that Castlevania is getting is getting its own show on Netflix and because of that, we’re hearing a lot of desires from our fans for a new Castlevania series. So we do know there is a demand for a new game, but right now nothing is set in stone as the discussions are still on going." (i.e. www.nintendolife.com/news/2017/06/konami_on_super_bomberman_r_support_and_the_possibility_of_producing_more_games_for_switch)

4.) Curse of the Moon had "100,000 downloads less than a week after it launched...56% of them on Nintendo platform," and Ritual of the Night scored $5,545,991 on Kickstarter and has again recently gotten buzz as a replacement for Castlevania. (https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2018-06-07-half-of-bloodstained-curse-of-the-moons-week-one-sales-were-on-switch & Google search game and Castlevania pops up in headlines).

What we see above is active interest in Switch's market, an apparently successful (and continued) revival of Castlevania's branding to a broader audience via the Netflix series, and what could be seen as "brand-poaching" of sorts with a new franchise getting compared to Castlevania and showing decent sales buzz.

I think we are gradually moving toward Konami doing something, in the same way that Capcom made their move with Mega Man 11. I don't believe it will be a truly bold move (i.e. expanding on the style of Castlevania 64/LoD), but it should be a lateral move that will complement Bloodstained's emergence. I wouldn't be surprised if we get 1.) A Castlevania 1 remake, 2.) A Castlevania III clone, perhaps even tied in to the Netflix series 3.) A mid-level Metroidvania. If any of the rumors are true, I do not believe it will be a return to Lords of Shadow or a straight GoS port, though the latter is the more likely of these two. I'm imagining it will either be done in-house with one of the seemingly newer teams, like the one that did Metal Gear Survive, or have it passed off to a company like WayForward, who I believe expressed their interest in Castlevania in the past. I'm pretty sure it will be either 2D or 2.5D when/if it does happen.

After a few responses to my trend reporting and conjecture, I clarified...

Well, I wouldn't say I have supreme confidence in Konami, but I want to pump the brakes a little, because here's what I'm left wondering...

First: What was the other Nintendo Switch game from Konami at E3? The official E3 site suggests two Switch games were supposed to be at E3 from Konami: "Action/Adventure > Nintendo Switch" and, later down the list, "Compilations > Nintendo Switch" (https://mp1630k065.mapyourshow.com/7_0/exhibitor/exhibitor-details.cfm?ExhID=4XTDjeQv). Hyper Sports R is a next-gen Wii Sports-style compilation game of various sports activities. So, was the E3 listing above suggesting that one game fit two categories--you could make a loose argument there because of the nature of sports in culture--or was the "Action/Adventure" game pulled or shown behind closed doors with some kind of extra restrictions to media? Secondly: The embargo seems to have been about Hyper Sports R, yet Gamekult, if translations were correct, said that the game being shown was not PES or Hyper Sports R and deflected the questioning when asked if it was "horror-related." (You could still make an argument for some sort of development related to Silent Hill or Metal Gear Survive, but Castlevania also fits there.) So, there are some questions there...

If we're speculating a little, besides the trends* posted earlier in this thread that are in favor of an eventual Castlevania return at some level, one has to wonder if it was decided it was too early in development to really showcase it, or if Nintendo changed their Smash reveal plans related to Simon, and therefore the potential tie-in with a Switch Castlevania was pulled for a later showing in a Nintendo Direct...

Knowing what the Gamekult editor was referring to, and if they are allowed to talk about it, would be huge. But if Simon is ever confirmed for Smash from the earlier roster rumors that already turned out to be correct, I think Castlevania for Switch will probably happen in some capacity, because that will be one too many rumors around the alleged game that will have come true when you consider the RE2 Remake confirmation, too.

In closing, sure, Konami is primarily more of a casino- and sports-focused company at this point, but given that they did something like Super Bomberman R (and now Hyper Sports R), I don't think they won't do games under the right conditions--i.e. potential profits to be made from market timing-driven properties.

*In that earlier post, I forgot to add that Solid Snake is back in Smash (and Bomberman was added as an Assist Trophy), which is a licensing deal with Konami, showing some continued partnership on Konami's part with Nintendo Switch.

Now, I understand there was speculation about RE2 Remake for a while, so it would depend partially on when the person above got involved with that. It sounds like it was a long time ago given the poster used the term "ages ago." But anyway, there's the gist of what I've been talking about. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts.

Edit: I guess Vergeben also said Snake would return, and that Isabelle from Animal Crossing would be in Smash. (https://www.inverse.com/article/47570-super-smash-bros-ultimate-roster-new-leak-vergeben). Snake did indeed return, but nothing on Isabelle yet...on the other hand, Sakurai said more characters are coming, and that would be an easy Echo Fighter to make, I think).

Post by Autumn on Aug 9, 2018 19:44:44 GMT -6

Hmm...

I'm a little torn. On one hand, I don't want anything to potentially hurt Bloodstained's success, but on the other hand, more great 2D Halloween-y games just makes the world a better place to live. Using WayForward as an example is horrible because now my imagination is getting way out of hand. Gosh, imagine a Castlevania game with the production values of DuckTales Remastered or Shantae: Half-Genie Hero.

Post by aiddon on Aug 9, 2018 22:26:30 GMT -6

Sakurai is a lunatic. I know there are other rumors floating around predicting Dante from DMC, Heihachi, etc but we'll see. At the very least Castlevania didn't get just one but TWO representatives with the Dracula's Castle stage being full of Easter Eggs, including Kid Dracula

Post by crocodile on Aug 10, 2018 0:02:17 GMT -6

I've heard of the Vergeben name before and I'm pretty sure they are full of it. They've gotten too many things wrong for me to buy they actually have insider knowledge. Some of the things they've suggested are things one could reasonably infer/guess/suspect on one's own. I wouldn't put too much stock in their rumors.

Post by RichterB on Aug 10, 2018 0:22:51 GMT -6

I'm a little torn. On one hand, I don't want anything to potentially hurt Bloodstained's success, but on the other hand, more great 2D Halloween-y games just makes the world a better place to live. Using WayForward as an example is horrible because now my imagination is getting way out of hand. Gosh, imagine a Castlevania game with the production values of DuckTales Remastered or Shantae: Half-Genie Hero.

I understand, and nothing's for sure by any means. Still, if something does happen, I think both can co-exist, especially if Castlevania goes more Classicvania. I just wanted to lay it out. But for the record, here was one of the sources I found that WayForward would be interested in Castlevania if given the opportunity (from back in 2014): castlevaniadungeon.net/forums/index.php?topic=7058.0 And they did team with Konami for Contra 4 back in 2007. Not saying it would be WayForward, but there is some small possibility.

Also, this is going into the realm of TOTAL speculation now...but Nintendo's president said after E3 that they have more surprise projects in store for 2018 than they've let on at E3. One of those was probably the recently announced new Nintendo Labo kit. But part of me wondered, given that Bomberman R was a Switch launch title and we saw the "Smash x Castlevania" logo, if there isn't some slim chance that Nintendo is actually pulling a Platinum Games Bayonetta here and is partially paying for a Castlevania Switch exclusive to round out their year-end lineup. That's pretty far-fetched, but the thought came to me. Still, if preliminary discussions of possibly doing anything with Castlevania on Switch only started in mid-2017 according to the Konami rep I referenced in the previous post, could they really have an actual game ready this year that would be of any significance? Whatever they do or don't do, I just hope it doesn't simply follow the Netflix series.

Finally, whatever does or doesn't happen, I think Bloodstained will end up a much more elaborate game with a much different aesthetic in the end.

Personally, if Castlevania were ever resurrected, I'm looking for it to continue a strain of games in the vein of pre-SotN entries for 2D and the N64 titles for 3D. Bloodstained is more covering the SotN category just fine, particularly the style from, say, Aria of Sorrow onward. But if I see another God of War/Devil May Cry reimagining trying to pass itself off as the sustainable future of Castlevania, I'm gonna slap my forehead.

I've heard of the Vergeben name before and I'm pretty sure they are full of it. They've gotten too many things wrong for me to buy they actually have insider knowledge. Some of the things they've suggested are things one could reasonably infer/guess/suspect on one's own. I wouldn't put too much stock in their rumors.

Today, I found a report on this individual: www.ssbwiki.com/list_of_rumors#Vergeben_leak According to this, Vergeben has a sort of 50/50 record, so hard to tell. Could all just be luck/coincidence, as you said. This article notes that Vergeben has been impersonated before, too, with extra information Vergeben didn't agree with, and came out and said: "Disregard ALL people claiming leaks that don't have these two characters [Simon and Isabelle]."

But Vergeben or not, this still brings into question what the Gamekult people were discussing at E3. Maybe someone who speaks French can refute what was reported. And it doesn't change the fact that there are apparently internal discussions at least since June 2017 regarding Castlevania and Switch according to a Konami rep I noted.

EDIT:What's additionally interesting about all this is why would an individual leaking stuff about Smash Bros go out of his/her way to post about Simon in Smash being tied to the return of Castlevania...and in two games, no less. Like, why not just stick to Simon if you're straight-up guessing. That would be a way safer bet than saying, Simon's coming--oh, and by the way, it's tied to two new Castlevania games, one a collection, one an original game. I mean, this individual already had a list that included characters like Ridley entering Smash, there was no need to start speculating about a separate franchise's new entries.

Post by purifyweirdshard on Aug 10, 2018 9:01:14 GMT -6

RichterB yes, I've been following the leaks, rumors and the CV Dungeon thread (I checked it earlier yesterday as well as the overall board, and was doing so daily during and after E3 - yay Hyper Sports R). We've had a few topics and discourse over this on the forum here as well. I know the context for thinking it would be happening, and agree the timing and data/market line up with it properly, but Konami is just not the same as these other groups. The leaker(s) may very well have even heard first-hand talk at a show of something coming straight from a rep (or are the employee themselves) and I'd still not buy it.

Thank you for laying out a summary though for people who might need/want to catch up though.

Only one potential unknown remains in my mind, that being Konami's Switch "Action/Adventure" title, that may/may not be horror-related and may/may not exist entirely.

About Bloodstained though, absolutely no worries. There's very little danger of this negatively effecting the game. Something new 'vania actually brings us more attention (our FB group has blown up in numbers since the Smash reveal for instance) and I would never expect Konami or even a potentially licensed partner ever attempt an Iga-style game anyways. That's entirely too much work for too little reward, in Konami's eyes, the very antithesis of what they're about. If they did though, that itself would bring more attention than draw it away, I'd say.

If something happens (already a low chance), I'd break the chances down further like this myself, in order of most to least likely:

In the instance of actually doing anything at all with the franchise via console, some manner of compilation is inevitable"Remasters" (as in not so much of an actual remake, see ZoE2 recently) are just slightly less likely, but probableRemakes, less still, but far from impossible. Best candidate being a CV ReBirth of sorts to match Netflix show's recent popularity, hopefully again with M2 or some another competent devNew game of a new genre from an outside dev, about as likely as remakes, such as say a 3D character action game or Warriors style game as a big crossoverNew game of a "3D Castlevania" style, something like or between LoS or the PS2 games, less still than the above, but a workable path for themCompletely new Classicvania in 2.5D, going into pretty unlikely territory here, but in dreamland this could be a thing a la MM11Completely new Metroidvania/Igavania in 2.5D: 0.001% chanceCompletely new Classic in 2D: zero chanceCompletely new M'vania in 2D: zero chance

I also don't think a GoS port would work or make sense as that/those types of games are structured to work for a mobile platform only. It'd take a lot of rearranging and effort just to make something with PSP graphics that only barely qualifies as a game to itself workable on a console.

Post by BalancedHydra on Aug 10, 2018 12:25:22 GMT -6

Hold on. Am I the only one who noticed that Nintendo didn't show off Richter's Final Smash?

I know the vast majority would say "It's the same as Simon's... but with different colors." I get that and I agree that is the likely thing but there is a logical falacy to that. That is not the only option Nintendo has.

Maybe, just maybe, Richter's Final Smash is Hydro Storm. We already have a "Hurt everyone in the screen" FS thanks to Olimar+Pikmin.

Post by crocodile on Aug 10, 2018 13:17:56 GMT -6

Hold on. Am I the only one who noticed that Nintendo didn't show off Richter's Final Smash?

I know the vast majority would say "It's the same as Simon's... but with different colors." I get that and I agree that is the likely thing but there is a logical falacy to that. That is not the only option Nintendo has.

Maybe, just maybe, Richter's Final Smash is Hydro Storm. We already have a "Hurt everyone in the screen" FS thanks to Olimar+Pikmin.

Occam's Razor denotes that Simon and Richter should share a Final Smash. This is especially true because Simon's Final Smash is just a variant of Richter's Cross Item Crash. Furthermore, there was an explicit reference to Hydro Storm in the Castlevania trailer. If Richter had Hydro Storm as his Final Smash, they would have just shown us that, not obviously reference it in the trailer.

Post by RichterB on Aug 10, 2018 13:28:04 GMT -6

...Thank you for laying out a summary though for people who might need/want to catch up though...

Only one potential unknown remains in my mind, that being Konami's Switch "Action/Adventure" title, that may/may not be horror-related and may/may not exist entirely.

About Bloodstained though, absolutely no worries. There's very little danger of this negatively effecting the game. Something new 'vania actually brings us more attention (our FB group has blown up in numbers since the Smash reveal for instance) and I would never expect Konami or even a potentially licensed partner ever attempt an Iga-style game anyways. That's entirely too much work for too little reward, in Konami's eyes, the very antithesis of what they're about. If they did though, that itself would bring more attention than draw it away, I'd say.

If something happens (already a low chance), I'd break the chances down further like this myself, in order of most to least likely:

In the instance of actually doing anything at all with the franchise via console, some manner of compilation is inevitable"Remasters" (as in not so much of an actual remake, see ZoE2 recently) are just slightly less likely, but probableRemakes, less still, but far from impossible. Best candidate being a CV ReBirth of sorts to match Netflix show's recent popularity, hopefully again with M2 or some another competent devNew game of a new genre from an outside dev, about as likely as remakes, such as say a 3D character action game or Warriors style game as a big crossoverNew game of a "3D Castlevania" style, something like or between LoS or the PS2 games, less still than the above, but a workable path for themCompletely new Classicvania in 2.5D, going into pretty unlikely territory here, but in dreamland this could be a thing a la MM11Completely new Metroidvania/Igavania in 2.5D: 0.001% chanceCompletely new Classic in 2D: zero chanceCompletely new M'vania in 2D: zero chance

I also don't think a GoS port would work or make sense as that/those types of games are structured to work for a mobile platform only. It'd take a lot of rearranging and effort just to make something with PSP graphics that only barely qualifies as a game to itself workable on a console.

Yeah, I was just trying to get everyone up to speed who may not be familiar with those aspects. That was a very thoughtful breakdown of probability. Proof to your point about what Konami is willing to do is Super Bomberman R for Switch. Everything I've seen and read suggests it's a very old-school, minimalist Bomberman title compared to the more ambitious titles like Bomberman 64 or Bomberman Hero, and I know that Konami sadly cancelled a 3DS Bomberman that was a bit more ambitious when they bought out Hudson Soft. That said, it does have rather slick, attractive 2.5D production values.

If anything, I'm starting to lean toward a 2.5D Castlevania in that vein that is a straight-up remake or (Rebirth-style reimagining) of Castlevania 1 or Castlevania 3--or lesser so, Belmont's Revenge. (Outside of a collection, my wishlist for Castlevania, given the likely limitations, is pretty short right now: I'd love a better-than-PSP DXC-looking 2.5D Castlevania game that mixes Castlevania IV's moodiness and dynamic whip gameplay, with III's branching paths and diverse levels, with a few newer or more eccentric level themes ala the castles from Belmont's Revenge. You could even remove III's branching paths and give me really strong, dense level design over about nine stages, and I might be happy. At the absolute minimum, I would need a strong Castlevania 1 remake that includes the ability to whip-swing over gaps. In a dream world, I'd like that sort of game first, and then--or barring that--a real successor to the N64 era of Castlevania that irons out its issues without becoming the style-over-substance PS2 and PS3 era of 3D Castlevania. I sadly know it's not going to happen since no one in the industry has the guts to make a game like that right now--3D action-platforming doesn't exist anymore, only 3D action games or 3D platforming games.)

You know, it's interesting that we got two Castlevania characters in Smash for the price of one, plus Bomberman and Snake. (And there's this whole Hyper Sports R thing hovering in the background of Switch, based on a Konami property from 1984). Clearly there is some dusting off of properties over at Konami right now. I'm curious what the negotiations were like for Castlevania and Smash coming together, because I thought I heard that the Snake conversations were contentious and that's why he left the Wii U/3DS era. It could be that someone over at Konami is starting to show some passion for its assets, but doesn't yet have the influence to go big with it. It really only takes a few people, a passionate creator and an executive to get the ball rolling. I mean, IGA kept Castlevania running when no one else seemingly wanted to (aside from KCEK, who were either broken up by Konami or made obsolete by IGA's return with Harmony of Dissonance. I know some of that team was absorbed by IGA by the time we got to the DS games, but the vision for CV was clearly more IGA's than KCEK's post-Circle of the Moon). And Mega Man 11, I'm not totally convinced that it is a no-expenses-spared, all-hands-on-deck affair at Capcom. I think it's living based on some nostalgia sales trends and a handful of passionate workers at the company.

Hold on. Am I the only one who noticed that Nintendo didn't show off Richter's Final Smash?I know the vast majority would say "It's the same as Simon's... but with different colors." I get that and I agree that is the likely thing but there is a logical falacy to that. That is not the only option Nintendo has.Maybe, just maybe, Richter's Final Smash is Hydro Storm. We already have a "Hurt everyone in the screen" FS thanks to Olimar+Pikmin.

There is a brief moment in the Richter part of the trailer where it looks like he's performing the Hydro Storm stance, and it is raining. But based on the timing of the move, I think that might just be a taunting pose. Here it is:

Also, in the new Youtube-posted Simon character trailer, he can latch onto the edge of the Smash platforms with his whip like Zero Suit Samus, Samus, and Link. (This is the kind of move I want in all whip-wielding Castlevania games). Here it is:

Post by Scuttlest on Aug 10, 2018 17:00:04 GMT -6

For what it's worth, Chrom is an echo of Roy, and his Final Smash is mechanically similar to Roy's, but a bit different. (Roy swings his sword in a 360 style, while Chrom just seems to attack forward.)

Perhaps it could be that Simon and Richter have largely the same Final Smash, but the initial attack that you have to land to hit with the Final Smash proper is slightly different. With maybe some animation difference with the Final Smash itself.

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RichterB: So now that the Simon, Ice Climbers, and Ridley E3 rumors for Smash are true, and RE2 Remake is real...the other E3 rumor connected to those was about a new Castlevania game project in development. I'm intrigued!Aug 8, 2018 21:36:25 GMT -6

Bardic Knowledge: I think it would be cool if the Belmonts' Amiibos had functionality with Bloodstained.Aug 9, 2018 10:21:02 GMT -6

Enkeria Gin: Bloodstained does not belong in Smash. There I said it.Aug 9, 2018 12:11:57 GMT -6

Brainiac: But what about Smash (amiibos) in Bloodstained?Aug 9, 2018 13:54:52 GMT -6

Brainiac: And if Miriam and co. get as popular as Shovel Knight, she might at least make Assist Trophy status.Aug 9, 2018 13:55:31 GMT -6

Bardic Knowledge: I'm more interested in playing as Richter. But that's partly because Symphony of the Night was my first Castlevania.Aug 12, 2018 11:32:54 GMT -6

Yän: You're not alone. Richter as a character just has more appeal to me.Aug 12, 2018 12:51:05 GMT -6

purifyweirdshard: I started with NES too and I still like Richter way more. Simon probably isn't even top 5 hahaAug 12, 2018 14:36:09 GMT -6

Scuttlest: Based on my limited Castlevania experience (Portrait of Ruin, Order of Ecclesia, Rondo X PSP remake, and Symphony of The Night) Richter is the Belmont I'm most familiar with, so I'm game with his inclusion.Aug 12, 2018 15:53:58 GMT -6

MorningSun: Simon is iconic for being in the first game, and in many that came after, however, because he is the first one, he's a bit more basic as a character compared to later ones (I still like him too, but Richter is really cool).Aug 12, 2018 18:21:52 GMT -6

MorningSun: Oh, also, I am quite happy about the amount of Castlevania music in Smash right now, to say the least. The series has so much good music it's not surprising that they just decided to go crazy with it. hahaAug 12, 2018 18:23:57 GMT -6

MorningSun: (Even Go! Getsu Fuuma, which is not even originally from Castlevania! And I really like that game, so I always enjoy when anything from that game is referenced anywhere really).Aug 12, 2018 18:24:59 GMT -6

purifyweirdshard: I was surprised Fuuma was on there myself, especially funny considering it made it over other potential CV classics lol. I think Konami OGs really like/respect that game. It's interesting also how Noisycroak did the game's main theme, as Yan pointed outAug 13, 2018 7:39:15 GMT -6*