It's interesting that Gene has talked with Chip and compared notes, has heard from contacts at UA and others, but still we have almost nothing from within FSU. I don't say that as a shot to Gene, but to point out that however much other logic there is out there, nothing happens if our leadership sits on its hands. And I have not seen anything in the last 5 years to suggest we will do anything but sit back and maybe react to things. I am very worried that while there may be options out there, we won't take advantage of even looking into them.

11/27 12:10 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by AllNoles:It's interesting that Gene has talked with Chip and compared notes, has heard from contacts at UA and others, but still we have almost nothing from within FSU. I don't say that as a shot to Gene, but to point out that however much other logic there is out there, nothing happens if our leadership sits on its hands. And I have not seen anything in the last 5 years to suggest we will do anything but sit back and maybe react to things. I am very worried that while there may be options out there, we won't take advantage of even looking into them.

Don't assume that because I don't specifically mention talking to an FSU source or sources that I haven't. I have spoken to a couple people tied into the program for some of this information. And I'll add that for the first time there is legitimate talk among the decision makers that the ACC may not be in FSU's long term best interests.

11/27 12:28 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by Dot:

I'll add that for the first time there is legitimate talk among the decision makers that the ACC may not be in FSU's long term best interests.

This IMHO is the most significant statement in this entire thread and on this subject. This would indicate that some of those decision makers at FSU have finally taken their heads out of the sand, looked around and discovered just maybe they better investigate what all the hubbub is about. A little late maybe but now that everyone is at least considering the options this is huge. We know our egghead president prefers the ACC but maybe he finally realizes his own arse may be in jeopardy if he doesn't make the right moves here.

11/27 3:16 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by Dot Com:

Originally posted by AllNoles:It's interesting that Gene has talked with Chip and compared notes, has heard from contacts at UA and others, but still we have almost nothing from within FSU. I don't say that as a shot to Gene, but to point out that however much other logic there is out there, nothing happens if our leadership sits on its hands. And I have not seen anything in the last 5 years to suggest we will do anything but sit back and maybe react to things. I am very worried that while there may be options out there, we won't take advantage of even looking into them.

Don't assume that because I don't specifically mention talking to an FSU source or sources that I haven't. I have spoken to a couple people tied into the program for some of this information. And I'll add that for the first time there is legitimate talk among the decision makers that the ACC may not be in FSU's long term best interests.

Fair enough. I was not assuming you were not taking to anyone at FSU. I was simply assuming that if you were, there was nothing you could report about yet. To me, that was bad news. Very bad news.

It's great to hear our leadership is finally at least reasliizing there is a problem. However, it is mind boggling that it's taken this long to realize that. That our leadership crapped on the idea of leaving, bad talked the B12 when the issues were being floated, and never apparently even reached out to find out what our options might be. Whether looking now or not, our leadership on all this has been crappy. Whatever FSU's long term goals last summer, there is NO excuse for not having at least been talking with the B12 and even the SEC. Public statements like the ones we made, which did not just publicly support where we are (which I understand everyone does, even while negotiating their way out) but went so far as to set up the arguments for why we have no interest in going anywhere, served absolutely no purpose other than to further isolate FSU and limit its choices.

I hope to hear more and more about our administration actually DOING SOMETHING about this crisis rather than hear that they are always late to even realize there is a crisis. But, I have to say I am not optimistic.

11/27 1:46 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by AllNoles:

Originally posted by Dot Com:

Originally posted by AllNoles:It's interesting that Gene has talked with Chip and compared notes, has heard from contacts at UA and others, but still we have almost nothing from within FSU. I don't say that as a shot to Gene, but to point out that however much other logic there is out there, nothing happens if our leadership sits on its hands. And I have not seen anything in the last 5 years to suggest we will do anything but sit back and maybe react to things. I am very worried that while there may be options out there, we won't take advantage of even looking into them.

Don't assume that because I don't specifically mention talking to an FSU source or sources that I haven't. I have spoken to a couple people tied into the program for some of this information. And I'll add that for the first time there is legitimate talk among the decision makers that the ACC may not be in FSU's long term best interests.

Fair enough. I was not assuming you were not taking to anyone at FSU. I was simply assuming that if you were, there was nothing you could report about yet. To me, that was bad news. Very bad news.

It's great to hear our leadership is finally at least reasliizing there is a problem. However, it is mind boggling that it's taken this long to realize that. That our leadership crapped on the idea of leaving, bad talked the B12 when the issues were being floated, and never apparently even reached out to find out what our options might be. Whether looking now or not, our leadership on all this has been crappy. Whatever FSU's long term goals last summer, there is NO excuse for not having at least been talking with the B12 and even the SEC. Public statements like the ones we made, which did not just publicly support where we are (which I understand everyone does, even while negotiating their way out) but went so far as to set up the arguments for why we have no interest in going anywhere, served absolutely no purpose other than to further isolate FSU and limit its choices.

I hope to hear more and more about our administration actually DOING SOMETHING about this crisis rather than hear that they are always late to even realize there is a crisis. But, I have to say I am not optimistic.

How do you know they havent been on top of this the entire time but kept their real move of going to SEC quiet for as long as possible? By leaking info of move to big 12. Disguise plan B as plan A as to not draw to much attention to plan A. Smart if you ask me not incompetant at all. We can go to the big 12 whever we want to; lets be real here. The goal is the SEC. We are an SEC football school. No 2 ways about it.

11/27 1:55 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by Dot Com:

Originally posted by AllNoles:It's interesting that Gene has talked with Chip and compared notes, has heard from contacts at UA and others, but still we have almost nothing from within FSU. I don't say that as a shot to Gene, but to point out that however much other logic there is out there, nothing happens if our leadership sits on its hands. And I have not seen anything in the last 5 years to suggest we will do anything but sit back and maybe react to things. I am very worried that while there may be options out there, we won't take advantage of even looking into them.

Don't assume that because I don't specifically mention talking to an FSU source or sources that I haven't. I have spoken to a couple people tied into the program for some of this information. And I'll add that for the first time there is legitimate talk among the decision makers that the ACC may not be in FSU's long term best interests.

<<INSERT DANCING BANANA>>

THANK GOD!!

11/27 1:05 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by Dot Com:

Originally posted by AllNoles:It's interesting that Gene has talked with Chip and compared notes, has heard from contacts at UA and others, but still we have almost nothing from within FSU. I don't say that as a shot to Gene, but to point out that however much other logic there is out there, nothing happens if our leadership sits on its hands. And I have not seen anything in the last 5 years to suggest we will do anything but sit back and maybe react to things. I am very worried that while there may be options out there, we won't take advantage of even looking into them.

Don't assume that because I don't specifically mention talking to an FSU source or sources that I haven't. I have spoken to a couple people tied into the program for some of this information. And I'll add that for the first time there is legitimate talk among the decision makers that the ACC may not be in FSU's long term best interests.

That part is big.

11/27 12:34 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by Nole Daddy:

Originally posted by Dot Com:

Originally posted by AllNoles:It's interesting that Gene has talked with Chip and compared notes, has heard from contacts at UA and others, but still we have almost nothing from within FSU. I don't say that as a shot to Gene, but to point out that however much other logic there is out there, nothing happens if our leadership sits on its hands. And I have not seen anything in the last 5 years to suggest we will do anything but sit back and maybe react to things. I am very worried that while there may be options out there, we won't take advantage of even looking into them.

Don't assume that because I don't specifically mention talking to an FSU source or sources that I haven't. I have spoken to a couple people tied into the program for some of this information. And I'll add that for the first time there is legitimate talk among the decision makers that the ACC may not be in FSU's long term best interests.

That part is big.

Sure is.

11/27 12:37 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by TheBrickhouse:

Originally posted by Nole Daddy:

Originally posted by Dot Com:

Originally posted by AllNoles:It's interesting that Gene has talked with Chip and compared notes, has heard from contacts at UA and others, but still we have almost nothing from within FSU. I don't say that as a shot to Gene, but to point out that however much other logic there is out there, nothing happens if our leadership sits on its hands. And I have not seen anything in the last 5 years to suggest we will do anything but sit back and maybe react to things. I am very worried that while there may be options out there, we won't take advantage of even looking into them.

Don't assume that because I don't specifically mention talking to an FSU source or sources that I haven't. I have spoken to a couple people tied into the program for some of this information. And I'll add that for the first time there is legitimate talk among the decision makers that the ACC may not be in FSU's long term best interests.

That part is big.

Sure is.

Agreed.

11/27 12:41 PM | IP: Logged

Found a diamond in the ruff.

Meangin what was said about the chatter amoung the FSU decision makers.

This post was edited on 11/27 2:38 PM by BiminiBound

11/27 2:16 PM | IP: Logged

Originally posted by AllNoles:It's interesting that Gene has talked with Chip and compared notes, has heard from contacts at UA and others, but still we have almost nothing from within FSU. I don't say that as a shot to Gene, but to point out that however much other logic there is out there, nothing happens if our leadership sits on its hands. And I have not seen anything in the last 5 years to suggest we will do anything but sit back and maybe react to things. I am very worried that while there may be options out there, we won't take advantage of even looking into them.

How do you know that FSU hasn't been talking to other conference leaders secretly since last summer? You don't. In fact, none of us do, even Borasch.

11/27 12:23 PM | IP: Logged

OK, I have some dumb questions - so if we joined the SEC, what new money would that bring into that conference in the way of TV money? FSU already is on almost every weekend here in Jax and surrounding areas, and I assume it's the same for GT in Atlanta as it is for UGA or Clemson as it relates to USCe...these markets would already get the SEC Network channels...I could definitely see where the Big 10/12 would pay more to get us due to getting new viewers potentially...

Would joining the SEC impact the future of the Miami rivalry? I know they are down now, but in 5-6 years they could be back...

I know I would definitely miss the basketball rivalries we now have with Duke and UNC if we left the ACC tho, as bad as we are in football, with the additions of Pitt and Syracuse, I was REALLY looking forward to basketball upcoming seasons...but then again, getting past UF and Kentucky would be just as difficult...just wondering if playing in the SEC would hurt basketball recruiting versus telling recruits they could play in the ACC?