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GaVgAs on "ROYAL MAIL privatisation, whats the point."http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/royal-mail-privatisation-whats-the-point/page/4#post-5436928
Sat, 19 Oct 2013 08:59:00 +0000GaVgAs5436928@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/<p>I work as a parcel delivery driver and since the re-vamp of the local posties hours, and increased charging have seen a big rise in mail pack deliveries (Moto Gp, Concert, flight tickets etc) apparently the RM previously delivered these,just saying like.
</p>monkeycmonkeydo on "ROYAL MAIL privatisation, whats the point."http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/royal-mail-privatisation-whats-the-point/page/4#post-5436746
Sat, 19 Oct 2013 00:39:53 +0000monkeycmonkeydo5436746@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/<p>Whoever you buy your power from buy some shares in that company.Give and take etc.Its what I,ve done.
</p>teamhurtmore on "ROYAL MAIL privatisation, whats the point."http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/royal-mail-privatisation-whats-the-point/page/4#post-5435846
Fri, 18 Oct 2013 18:43:41 +0000teamhurtmore5435846@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/<p>Why do people refer to the market for energy as a free market when it is nothing of the sort?</p>
<p>RM over a £5 <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_smile.gif" title=":-)" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p>ernie_lynch on "ROYAL MAIL privatisation, whats the point."http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/royal-mail-privatisation-whats-the-point/page/4#post-5435768
Fri, 18 Oct 2013 18:14:45 +0000ernie_lynch5435768@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/<p><blockquote> but it's not like that</blockquote></p>
<p>No, but that's exactly what would happen if your suggestion was a reality - it would be the logical conclusion.</p>
<p>But as it exists at the present the system relies heavily on a significant amount of people paying more than they should for their energy supply, without that caveat the system would collapse leaving only one energy supplier. </p>
<p>So you can't on the one hand claim that everybody should go for the cheapest supplier whilst on the other hand hope that not everyone goes with the cheapest supplier. </p>
<p>BTW I can't believe that you are comparing the car insurance market with an energy market dominated by six big energy companies.</p>
<p>A week ago SSE announced price rises more than 3 times the rate of inflation, simultaneously it was widely reported that it was expected this would trigger similar huge price rises from the other energy suppliers.</p>
<p>No one felt the need to explain precisely why the other energy suppliers would also increase their prices by a similar amount. Apparently just the fact that one has increased its prices is enough to justify others doing the same.</p>
<p>So there you have it, the "free market" in the utility/energy sector drives prices <u>up</u>, the very opposite of what we are told is suppose to happen.</p>
<p>.</p>
<p><blockquote>im paying virtually the cheapest gas prices in Europe </blockquote></p>
<p>You are not paying the cheapest gas prices in Europe, although you are paying the lowest taxes on gas in Europe. This is a direct reflection on government policy and has absolutely nothing to do with the energy companies. </p>
<p>And you would expect the UK to have some of the lowest gas prices in Europe, the UK is after all a significant producer of natural gas, ie, the UK is the 18th largest producer of natural gas in the world, how many other European countries compare with that ?</p>
<p>If you exclude the taxes, which has nothing to do with the energy companies, French domestic consumers pay approximately the same for their gas as British domestic consumers. </p>
<p>France ranks 68th in the world with regards to natural gas production, a far cry from being 18th.</p>
<p><img src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-6D61FF1iOgg/UgozkNoBMuI/AAAAAAAAA0Y/wsNFFqrYuLI/s1600/ggp.jpg">
</p>mudshark on "ROYAL MAIL privatisation, whats the point."http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/royal-mail-privatisation-whats-the-point/page/4#post-5435004
Fri, 18 Oct 2013 14:21:06 +0000mudshark5435004@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/<p><blockquote>If everyone switched to the cheapest gas and electricity supplier all the others would go bust.</blockquote></p>
<p>Well that would apply to any market but it's not like that. Do all people use the same car insurer? Suppliers price at a level that reflects how keen they are to attract people, if prices are so low that everyone starts to switch over at some point they'll just start to increase prices - they can only deal with so many customers anyway.
</p>Sancho on "ROYAL MAIL privatisation, whats the point."http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/royal-mail-privatisation-whats-the-point/page/4#post-5434519
Fri, 18 Oct 2013 12:27:36 +0000Sancho5434519@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/<p>Well I'm quite happy that according to that web site im paying virtually the cheapest gas prices in Europe
</p>ernie_lynch on "ROYAL MAIL privatisation, whats the point."http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/royal-mail-privatisation-whats-the-point/page/4#post-5434468
Fri, 18 Oct 2013 12:15:24 +0000ernie_lynch5434468@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/<p><blockquote>Too many people don't switch when they could/should which does rather mess up the free market thing. </blockquote></p>
<p>How does it mess up the free market thing ? If everyone switched to the cheapest gas and electricity supplier all the others would go bust. How would that help the "free market".</p>
<p>The free market for the utilities is false and artificial.
</p>binners on "ROYAL MAIL privatisation, whats the point."http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/royal-mail-privatisation-whats-the-point/page/3#post-5434460
Fri, 18 Oct 2013 12:14:01 +0000binners5434460@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/<p>So you really believe that within a week all the other energy companies won't have raised their prices the exact same amount as British Gas?</p>
<p>You're probably right. The fact that that's whats happened every single other time since the whole ridiculous charade of 'choice' was foisted on us, is probably just a massive and wholly inexplicable coincidence. And definitely not a cartel at all
</p>mudshark on "ROYAL MAIL privatisation, whats the point."http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/royal-mail-privatisation-whats-the-point/page/3#post-5434453
Fri, 18 Oct 2013 12:09:55 +0000mudshark5434453@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/<p>Too many people don't switch when they could/should which does rather mess up the free market thing.
</p>binners on "ROYAL MAIL privatisation, whats the point."http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/royal-mail-privatisation-whats-the-point/page/3#post-5434442
Fri, 18 Oct 2013 12:06:25 +0000binners5434442@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/<p>Well I'm thanking the Gods of the Free Market for my 10% energy price hike announced yesterday. I will simply follow the gospel of capitalism, and the endless choice of competition it offers me, and switch to one of the multitude of rival suppliers ruthlessly fighting for my custom in this most cut-throat of markets. </p>
<p>I feel sure that this will deliver huge savings, as none of the others will do anything so cynical as raise their prices exactly in line with British Gas within 3 days, as that would render the whole exercise utterly futile an pointless. And would also bring about suggestions of operating a cartel. And we all know that just isn't how capitalism works at all</p>
<p>God bless Milton Friedman and privatisation
</p>MSP on "ROYAL MAIL privatisation, whats the point."http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/royal-mail-privatisation-whats-the-point/page/3#post-5434424
Fri, 18 Oct 2013 12:00:12 +0000MSP5434424@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/<p>Actually just looking deeper at that page, the chart on renewables is misleading, the UK are well behind, the chart shows the shortfall from the 2020 target, bit of a silly way to present the data IMO.
</p>Northwind on "ROYAL MAIL privatisation, whats the point."http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/royal-mail-privatisation-whats-the-point/page/3#post-5434409
Fri, 18 Oct 2013 11:52:57 +0000Northwind5434409@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/<p>We're averagey/just under for energy and telecoms. Hard things to compare, especially telecoms, as there's no simple like-for-like.</p>
<p><blockquote>MSP - Member</p>
<p>some interesting stuff on that page, I never realised how good the UK was doing on implementing renewables.</blockquote></p>
<p>It's either the single biggest source, or just about to become the biggest energy source, in Scotland. I was really surprised by that tbh.
</p>MSP on "ROYAL MAIL privatisation, whats the point."http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/royal-mail-privatisation-whats-the-point/page/3#post-5434376
Fri, 18 Oct 2013 11:45:02 +0000MSP5434376@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/<p>Energy costs are competative, but not the cheapest. according to this</p>
<p><a href="http://www.energy.eu/" rel="nofollow">http://www.energy.eu/</a></p>
<p>some interesting stuff on that page, I never realised how good the UK was doing on implementing renewables.</p>
<p>Can't find a similar chart for comms, Yesterday we had a trhead and Sweden was certainly cheaper and better than the UK. I would say here in Germany costs are about the same, but services(technical) are better.
</p>Sancho on "ROYAL MAIL privatisation, whats the point."http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/royal-mail-privatisation-whats-the-point/page/3#post-5434342
Fri, 18 Oct 2013 11:33:29 +0000Sancho5434342@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/<p>Sorry for being slow. But referring to a couple of posts earlier do we or don't we have the cheapest telecoms and utilities charges in Europe
</p>ninfan on "ROYAL MAIL privatisation, whats the point."http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/royal-mail-privatisation-whats-the-point/page/3#post-5434303
Fri, 18 Oct 2013 11:23:37 +0000ninfan5434303@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/<p>Topped a fiver this morning <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_eek.gif" title="8O" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p>monkeycmonkeydo on "ROYAL MAIL privatisation, whats the point."http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/royal-mail-privatisation-whats-the-point/page/3#post-5428714
Wed, 16 Oct 2013 17:07:18 +0000monkeycmonkeydo5428714@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/<p>The free market will set you free!Good luck.
</p>postierich on "ROYAL MAIL privatisation, whats the point."http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/royal-mail-privatisation-whats-the-point/page/3#post-5428710
Wed, 16 Oct 2013 17:02:58 +0000postierich5428710@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/<p>Well as it stands £3500 but unable to "cash in" for 3 years so if I,m still around probably retrain as a cycle mechanic <img src="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/my-plugins/bbcode-buttons/default/icon_smile.gif" title=":-)" class="bb_smilies" alt=""/> </p>
<p>Rich
</p>monkeycmonkeydo on "ROYAL MAIL privatisation, whats the point."http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/royal-mail-privatisation-whats-the-point/page/3#post-5428562
Wed, 16 Oct 2013 16:22:47 +0000monkeycmonkeydo5428562@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/<p>Just spent some of my well deserved investment on Champagne and cigars. Wonder what PostieRICH will spend his £900.00 on?
</p>kimbers on "ROYAL MAIL privatisation, whats the point."http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/royal-mail-privatisation-whats-the-point/page/3#post-5427210
Wed, 16 Oct 2013 10:41:10 +0000kimbers5427210@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/<p><img src="https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1374335_10151922569312417_530277152_n.jpg">
</p>mudshark on "ROYAL MAIL privatisation, whats the point."http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/royal-mail-privatisation-whats-the-point/page/3#post-5427159
Wed, 16 Oct 2013 10:24:56 +0000mudshark5427159@http://singletrackworld.com/forum/<p>Well I got some but am holding - bit of a drop today I see, no doubt due to the likelihood of a strike from people who own part of their employer. Anyway, I'm interested to see how the company deals with the challenges it faces now it has the freedom of being a private company.
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