Mantle needs to forget about Battlefield 4 and focus on a game that's actually finished at launch.

Releasing it with BF4 as their debut is just going to bring its value down and attach Battlefield 4's bad press to it.

Iv'e been thinking/saying this for awhile now, but I keep getting told "mantle only needs adaptation by developers to survive, press doesn't matter" not sure how much I agree with this. You know the less educated people will start to associate BF4 problems with mantle.

Yeah but from what I've read Dice is its own entity now and other than the fact Battlefield is using their engine there's not really to much of connection between the 2 no?

Yes and no, the Frostbite team were the ones that separated from DICE, not that DICE is its own entity now.

Bottom line is that Battlefield 4 is still Frosbite's team/DICE's crown jewel, there's no way they wouldn't want Mantle to debut with Battlefield 4, after all they are the ones putting Mantle together with AMD, and the last time I looked game performance was completely separate to netcode (which is without a doubt the main gripe about Battlefield 4).

As long as Mantle does not break the game even further, and actually lives up to the "up to" 45% performance improvement, I don't see how launching Mantle with Battlefield 4 would be a bad thing, the game at the end of the day looks absolutely breath taking.

As long as Mantle does not break the game even further, and actually lives up to the "up to" 45% performance improvement, I don't see how launching Mantle with Battlefield 4 would be a bad thing, the game at the end of the day looks absolutely breath taking.

I totally agree on that part and would love to see that actually be the way things play out, but to be honest I don't think that's the way it going to pan out. I really want to see it succeed, but all Im saying is that it might bring down the publics appeal to it with Battlefield 4's issues.(or vice versa if it does really well)

In the end (what I think anyway) developers are going to take the route of less resistance that deals in greater profits. If the customers want mantle then they'll do their best to incorporate it to net higher profits. I the customers are indifferent to it then it will be to much effort for little profits. If im understanding things correctly as it sits right now mantle means more work correct?

I totally agree on that part and would love to see that actually be the way things play out, but to be honest I don't think that's the way it going to pan out. I really want to see it succeed, but all Im saying is that it might bring down the publics appeal to it with Battlefield 4's issues.(or vice versa if it does really well)

In the end (what I think anyway) developers are going to take the route of less resistance that deals in greater profits. If the customers want mantle then they'll do their best to incorporate it to net higher profits. I the customers are indifferent to it then it will be to much effort for little profits. If im understanding things correctly as it sits right now mantle means more work correct?

But the public will be focused on the game's performance, is not that people will play the Mantle build of BF4 and blame all of the netcode issues on Mantle, it just doesn't make sense to me.

I'm actually tired of talking about mantle. mantle will only bring us enhanced performance. The engine is still frostbite. Mantle has nothing to do with net code and even how the game looks. you can make a game look 10x better with directx it's just that mantle will make the game smoother. mantle is just the way the engine talks to your graphics cards. That's all. I also see no problem with the net code from my end. I also feel people are getting carried away with the issues in Battlefield 4. Battlefield 4 is not that bad. I know mantle will give me 96FPS on 2560x1440 as I get some drops due to cpu being utilized at 90+ percent and my crossfire R9-280x don't have enough cpu power to be fully utilized. So for me i think mantle will make many systems run the game much better and smoother. I would love to see how the game performs with an i3 CPU or even old Socked 775 cpu's. I think mantle is going to help people out with low end cpu's.