B) Attacks a continually neutral Kirin Tor village that was simply trying to mind its own business utilizing stealth agents, and massacres the entire town INCLUDING the sick, elderly, and injured (Theres a quest you do and its even called No Mercy or something along those lines- you go in, plague them all, massacre them so they are raised, and basically turn the lot of them into forsaken. This Kirin Tor village, which wasn't even aligned with the alliance beyond the Forsaken being a common enemy bent on killing all humans and claiming territory/resources for themselves.

Are you kidding me? Ambermill went to another dimension for the sole purpose of preparing and later joining the alliance in their assault.

And dont worry about their "souls" or other such crap. Chances are that most of those idiots brainwashed by the Church of "Holy" Light killed themselves after their ressurection.

Originally Posted by Mokaproductionist

By that logic someone would make a similar thread about Jaina taking the route of a child molester.

She isnt?

"To the ordinary, we are unknowable. Fallen, corrupted; rightly feared. You cannot understand our origins, our motives. The dawning realization, that we are not fallen... we are ascended!"

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That's sure a lot of words to justify a straw man. I like it how you pick and choose when it comes to the Worgen and use only Sylvanas to represent the whole of Forsaken. It's like you are saying that only certain Americans are bad but all Saudis are evil because of Osama. Good job.

Having said, I'm not arguing Sylvanas way of fighting. I'm just pointing out how Gen Greymane would prone on using demonic magic and necromancy as that would be only resort. He has no tech, his has only few packs, so he need greater power; Burning Legion as well as Lich King. as well as he need Night Elf and Draenei Warlocks.

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Originally Posted by Mokaproductionist

By that logic someone would make a similar thread about Jaina taking the route of a child molester.

Sure, why not? Go ahead I guess if that's your cup of tea.

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Originally Posted by Raugnaut

There is absolutely no precedence of Greymane using any kind of demonic power OR necromancy ever. Please do not use the word "We" in any of your posts. Only you have this opinion that Greymane will resort to dealing with dark forces to fuel his agenda.

If its supposed to be a parody its pretty well made.. With another menber making a SUPER long post detailing a aliance retaking of gilneas..

I think your all just having pipe dreams.. If blizz does touch gilneas it will most likely be in a book.. The backlash they got from the redoing of zones during cata assured they wont go back to redo stuff for a long time if ever again..

Soldiers are issued armour for their flesh and bones, but they must fashion their own for their souls. Piece by piece.

If its supposed to be a parody its pretty well made.. With another menber making a SUPER long post detailing a aliance retaking of gilneas..

I think your all just having pipe dreams.. If blizz does touch gilneas it will most likely be in a book.. The backlash they got from the redoing of zones during cata assured they wont go back to redo stuff for a long time if ever again..

Gnomeraggan, Troll Capital City, Kezan, revisit the wandering isle, Kul Tiras,, all of these, you just crashed my dreams with your single post

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That's sure a lot of words to justify a straw man. I like it how you pick and choose when it comes to the Worgen and use only Sylvanas to represent the whole of Forsaken. It's like you are saying that only certain Americans are bad but all Saudis are evil because of Osama. Good job.

Having said, I'm not arguing Sylvanas way of fighting. I'm just pointing out how Gen Greymane would prone on using demonic magic and necromancy as that would be only resort. He has no tech, his has only few packs, so he need greater power; Burning Legion as well as Lich King. as well as he need Night Elf and Draenei Warlocks.

She is their racial leader, she DO represent them. And he wrote following "and even some forsaken are honorable", but you grasp after straws yourself.

Unfortunately, a lot of the points of this concept aren't very close to the actual lore laid out in the game. I don't find worgen that evil at all - they never were. There's a difference between "feral" and "evil". And they worgen don't resort to necromancy or fel energy by default, since they're much more attuned to the druidic powers of the Emerald Dream because of their curse. Plus, worgen are immune to the plague of undeath (except when it's given to them by the Lich King, it seems, thus Worgen DKs) - this point was brought up in Silverpine (and I believe Gilneas?) where the Forsaken couldn't raise the worgen as undead with their plague. Necromancy is about the last thing a worgen would use to fight their battles, considering their opposition from Sylvanas.

As others have pointed out many times, feral worgen and Gilnean worgen are very different from one another, and should not be confused. And, once again, "feral" isn't "evil".

Draenei and Night Elves are not warlocks. At all. Those two races are highly opposed to the demonic arts, considering the Burning Legion has screwed over their entire cultures and planets. The closest thing would be Demon Hunters for Night Elves, but even they are social misfits, outcasted from the regular Kaldorei society for using demonic magic.

This is clearly wishful thinking, and unrealistic. Blizzard wouldn't add a raid that the Alliance couldn't participate in, and they wouldn't take out a race completely. Next time, I suggest reading some of the lore. You've laid out this concept, but there are too many things wrong with it, and then lash out at people who know the lore calling them "lore nerds". Don't ask for an opinion if you don't want one, hm?

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1.) If you have an opinion, someone will say that it is wrong
2.) If you have a source, there will be people who refuse to believe it
3.) If you use logic, it will be largely ignored
btw: Spires of Arak = Arakkoa.

Unfortunately, a lot of the points of this concept aren't very close to the actual lore laid out in the game. I don't find worgen that evil at all - they never were. There's a difference between "feral" and "evil". And they worgen don't resort to necromancy or fel energy by default, since they're much more attuned to the druidic powers of the Emerald Dream because of their curse. Plus, worgen are immune to the plague of undeath (except when it's given to them by the Lich King, it seems, thus Worgen DKs) - this point was brought up in Silverpine (and I believe Gilneas?) where the Forsaken couldn't raise the worgen as undead with their plague. Necromancy is about the last thing a worgen would use to fight their battles, considering their opposition from Sylvanas.

As others have pointed out many times, feral worgen and Gilnean worgen are very different from one another, and should not be confused. And, once again, "feral" isn't "evil".

Draenei and Night Elves are not warlocks. At all. Those two races are highly opposed to the demonic arts, considering the Burning Legion has screwed over their entire cultures and planets. The closest thing would be Demon Hunters for Night Elves, but even they are social misfits, outcasted from the regular Kaldorei society for using demonic magic.

This is clearly wishful thinking, and unrealistic. Blizzard wouldn't add a raid that the Alliance couldn't participate in, and they wouldn't take out a race completely. Next time, I suggest reading some of the lore. You've laid out this concept, but there are too many things wrong with it, and then lash out at people who know the lore calling them "lore nerds". Don't ask for an opinion if you don't want one, hm?

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In no way I mentioned Worgen would be raised. Gen would use Necromantic powers to CONTROL the undead, to bind them to his will. next time I suggest you read the post and don't go fanboying or fangirling or stuff without reading.

And we all know that feral is just a step away from being bloodthirst evil kind of crazy make sense, like how Jaina is now. out th

You are right about the Emerald Dream part. It seems you accidentally discovered how the demons can take over the Emerald Dream; Via the worgen, pure genius!

You mean Horde cannot participate in raiding Garrosh? Wishful thinking I guess. What taking out race completely? do you mean killing Garrosh kills all the Orc? I'm confused with your fanboyisggirl logic.

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Originally Posted by Ironjaws-Mike

Yes. They DO represent them. Garrosh represented the Orcs in his Horde, as Sylvanas represent the undead in her Forsaken. I can't even understand why you can't grasp that concept?

Oh that is why a lot of Orcs are agaisnt him. Man, you sure grasp a lot.

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In no way I mentioned Worgen would be raised. Gen would use Necromantic powers to CONTROL the undead, to bind them to his will. next time I suggest you read the post and don't go fanboying or fangirling or stuff without reading.

And we all know that feral is just a step away from being bloodthirst evil kind of crazy make sense, like how Jaina is now. out th

You are right about the Emerald Dream part. It seems you accidentally discovered how the demons can take over the Emerald Dream; Via the worgen, pure genius!

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Oh that is why a lot of Orcs are agaisnt him. Man, you sure grasp a lot.

Yeah, you're the one grasping dude. Considering there's an Old God controlling the Emerald Nightmare, the Legion wouldn't fit in well with that storyline. also, way to ignore the fact that Blizzard wouldn't do this. Constructive criticism isn't exactly "fanboying" - I'm not overly attached tot he Worgen or Forsaken one way or another. Notice how I never gave a negative point to Sylvanas or the Forsaken in that entire post? If I had bashed her at all, that would be fanboying.

3 hints to surviving MMO-C forums:
1.) If you have an opinion, someone will say that it is wrong
2.) If you have a source, there will be people who refuse to believe it
3.) If you use logic, it will be largely ignored
btw: Spires of Arak = Arakkoa.

See you agree as well how Worgens would use demonic powers to invade Gilneas!

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Originally Posted by Destinas

Yeah, you're the one grasping dude. Considering there's an Old God controlling the Emerald Nightmare, the Legion wouldn't fit in well with that storyline. also, way to ignore the fact that Blizzard wouldn't do this. Constructive criticism isn't exactly "fanboying" - I'm not overly attached tot he Worgen or Forsaken one way or another. Notice how I never gave a negative point to Sylvanas or the Forsaken in that entire post? If I had bashed her at all, that would be fanboying.

Well, I like this. Not just Gen would use demonic powers, but he would use Old Gods. He is truly evil!

Actually, worgen from Gilneas (player characters - not feral breeds) are stable. They took part in a ritual and all that to regain their humanity, thus the spell Two Forms, and their re-introduction into the Alliance, and partnership with the Night Elves as part of the Cenarion Circle. The worgen and orcs both undid whatever bloodlust they had before, so...pretty stable.

3 hints to surviving MMO-C forums:
1.) If you have an opinion, someone will say that it is wrong
2.) If you have a source, there will be people who refuse to believe it
3.) If you use logic, it will be largely ignored
btw: Spires of Arak = Arakkoa.