Isis King and Janet Mock are two women of noteworthy achievement. Isis King is a fashion model and clothing designer who has competed twice on America’s Next Top Model. Janet Mock is a writer and staff editor for People.com.

Both King and Mock are also transgender.

In the Life Media—an organization dedicated to reducing injustice and chronicling LGBT life—has released a video of Janet interviewing Isis about her experiences as a transgender celebrity and her perceptions of media attitudes toward trans people.

King, the first transgender contestant on America’s Next Top Model, recalls being approached in a restaurant by a mother and her five-year-old daughter who wanted to meet Isis, the television star. “I never would have thought that a parent would let their child come up to a transgender woman. It really was touching…. I didn’t grow up and see people that transitioned unless they were on Maury or the Jerry Springer show.”

The nine-minute clip is a steady stream of illuminating sound bites on the power of television to shape a new generation’s LGBT acceptance, taking advantage of teachable moments with Howard Stern, how being called tranny is “the same as the N word,” the crucial difference between transsexual and transgender, and why RuPaul should be more responsible.

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