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Comment by Souleagle

If you ask me, mograine's might was a perfect model for a high level mace, that was a sick weapon model and i know i was very sad when i had to let it go at like lvl 47 or something, i still have mograine's in my bank :)

Comment by Staffan

The graphics for this mace (and Mograine's) is by far the coolest there is ingame atm. Now you can look like Sauron and still smashsmash endgame :P

Comment by Khasm

Changed to a recolored Torch of the Damned on PTR

Comment by Hatsmash

What are the thoughts of this compared to Stormherald?

Anyone find Stormherald still better because of the 4 sec stun on it?

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Comment by immanis

Well, the difference is if you are able to get nether vortexes or not.If you are, I would definately use Stormherald over this, and rather spend the arena points to other items.

Comment by Worry

Your numbers are seriously flawed.

I'm currently using partial S2 gear, which is far off from the maximum resilience you can stack, and I reduce crit chance by 9%. So, no, it's actually quite a bit more than 7%. If I recall correctly, if you max resilience, it's a 12% reduction, and a 25% reduction on the damage of all critical strikes, which is actually pretty huge.

Nothing sidesteps resilience, really--DoTs did, but that was fixed, and if you think stacking only AP will make you an arena monster, you're in for an ugly awakening.

Comment by Geronin

All armor and weapons that require a personal rating now also require your team to have atleast same rating in order to buy.

Comment by paladrood

This mace is THE choice for retadins. It has 616 DPS while Torch has 619. Pretty darn close, especially if you can't get into BT just yet.

Comment by crazywarrior

so once we get this weapon do we need to always keep 1850+ personal or what happens if we dont?

Comment by vendrel

what about shamans this or dual wielding the weaponsmithing rewards with another good off-hand?

Comment by hexium69

When season 4 comes out will these weapons or even the shoulders still require 1850 and 2000 personal / team raiting ??

Comment by phastus

althought this weapon has more damage and ignores armour and more crit with all s3 your loosing hit... which ive noticed is afecting me alot in arena so im just wondering if its all worth it in the end?

Comment by Jickles

I currently don't use an arena weapon at all, and still manage to have 78 hit. 80 is the golden number. There's nothing wrong with socketing hit to get 80 hit. I should get a 5 str 4 hit gem, but I'm rather lazy.

Comment by Konstantyne

Like all of the S3 two-handers, just put executioner on it and you will see an increase in damage.

Comment by Wazu

A good alternitive to this is Stormherald ( http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28442 ), the extra 1% to stun can come in handy and so can the +crit from the +agility. I personally would use Stormherlad.

Comment by Fallout

The difference is not ability to get Stormherald. Firstly anyone can get the vortecies as long as you do gold grinding (dailies/mining/etc), and pay a guild to take you. 500g per nether used to be average on KT.

Secondly this mace smokes Stormherald and here is why: 1) The hit rating could free up either gems or an item like, for example, Red Belt of Battle that you'd only be wearing for hit once the S3 honor belt arrives. This is dependent on your gear, of course. 2) The stun effect on SH was and still is negligible compared to Mace Specialization. 3) Resilience. 4) Armor Penetration. 5) 42agi vs 46crit rating?

The fact that the hit rating is very situational and the benefit will vary based on your personal gear is obvious, but the last 3 reasons are fairly major.

Resilience as we all well know by now is absolutely crucial, so having it on your weapon is a clear plus. Then there's armor penetration which is the new thing. It allows you to hit harder, consistently, thereby diminishing the effect (to some extent) of casters stacking resilience. Granted the two have no direct relation but it will be an overall increase in damage output if you go for armor penetration. So you'll want to be stacking as much of that as possible.

Lastly the conversion rate from agility to crit for warriors is something like 34 to 1%, whereas the conversion from crit rating to crit is 22.1 to 1%. So Vengeful gives essentialy 2.08% crit while Stormherld gives 1.23%

In short, there's simply nothing better about Stormherald. Arena points were made for spending, and the arena gear is designed for arenas... so choose accordingly.

Quoted from above; S3 weapon is superior in all cases.

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Comment by Mourant

I think that if Blizzard would have made Stormherald better than this they would have their heads up their own arse...Of course, altogether, as an arena player, i choose this over Stormherald. but if your struggling on working at that 1850, Stormherald is a very good choice until you get this, if you have the rating, get this.T6 is better than T5, this is Vice-versa really, Vengeful is like T6-quality content and Stormherald is more commonly noticed as being around T5 content.And of course, the +crit on Vengeful gives more crit than all the agility on Stormherald.So i think that there is no doubt, that this is a better all-rounder than Stormherald, and a very good mace indeed!

Comment by Scud

These now cost 3000 honor in S4, with a personal rating requirement of 1800. Seems like the discount on last season's 2H weapons is significantly more than it was from S2>S3.

Comment by Mecantar

I think you mean arena points ?

Comment by warwizard07

Here is the Stat comparison to the Season 1 Gladiator's Bonegrinder for all who are making the larger leap from S1 to S3:+15.6 Dps+14 Strength+14 Stamina-5 Hit Rating+11 Crit Rating+5 Resilience+98 Armor Penetration (Armor Penetration not present on Season 1 Gladiator's Bonegrinder)

Comment by catspats31

As of June 24, 2008, this weapon, along with other Season 3 weapons, now have a 15% discount and 50 point reduced rating requirement for both personal and team arena ratings. The price for this weapon should be around 3188 arena points, and 1800 personal and team arena rating requirement.

Comment by Eporter

With transmog comming out...will you be able to get this mace?

Comment by swordfan

As of 10/6/11, Ecton Brasstumbler in Gadgetzan is selling all the Vengeful gear on the PTR. Here's hoping that it stays this way.

Comment by Narrano

This item is once again available for purchase from Kezzik the Striker in Netherstorm.Cost: 1500 Honor

Comment by Heartblossom

Suites nice with Ruthless set of Dk

Comment by Inphusion

So is this mace still available? Cuz I tried getting it on my 70 pally and it didn't show up in tanaris.. It's available in nether storm Then?

Comment by faerogue

Easy to acquire mace with a nice death knight aesthetic. It looks quite nice with the DK's T10 (available from Horace Hunderland in Dalaran for JP) as well as with the raid finder version of their T13 (though the shoulders look a little off).