From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 1 09:00:34 2006
From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch)
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 05:00:34 -0400
Subject: Linux on the GPL3 @ Groklaw
Message-ID: <44CF1832.2000409@telly.org>
Here's the piece he wrote:
http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20060727140038810&title=DRM+%26quot%3BMisunderstood%26quot%3B&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=465722#c465745
And the full thread:
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20060727140038810#comments
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From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 1 13:38:56 2006
From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 09:38:56 -0400
Subject: Sending email on a schedule?
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On Mon, Jul 31, 2006 at 05:18:12PM -0400, John Van Ostrand wrote:
> On Mon, 2006-07-31 at 16:58 -0400, William Park wrote:
>
> Yes, it's called 'at' and 'crontab'. It would be helpful if we know
> what ways that at/crontab were deficient.
>
> There is more than that. You will need to know how to send email via
> command line.
Thank you William and John. Yes, I can do all that. What's missing
from at and cron? A unified, simple, easy-to-use interface, that's
what. Remind and wyrd (or calendar) are close, but they don't send
email by default, and that's what I need.
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From stephenc-wtWqQT8woy8 at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 1 13:58:33 2006
From: stephenc-wtWqQT8woy8 at public.gmane.org (Stephen W. Clarke)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 09:58:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Linux Gigabit NIC
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Len (and everyone else on this list),
Thanks for your tips, but I think I must be missing something important.
Can you tell me where I went wrong?
Distro: WhiteBox EL4
Kernel: 2.6.9-34.0.1.EL
gcc: 3.4.5
I installed the card.
When I run:
lspci | grep -i ethernet
I get:
00:0a.0 Ethernet controller: D-Link System Inc: Unknown device 4b01 (rev 11)
00:12.0 Ethernet controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6102 [Rhine-II] (rev
78)
I added:
alias eth1 sk98lin at the end of /etc/modprobe.conf
but when I run:
ifconfig eth1 192.168.xxx.xxx netmask 255.255.255.0 up
I get:
SIOCSIFADDR: No such device
eth1: unknown interface: No such device
SIOCSIFNETMASK: No such device
SIOCGIFADDR: No such device
SIOCSIFBROADCAST: No such device
eth1: unknown interface: No such device
On boot I get:
eth1 does not appear to be present delaying initialization.
What am I missing?
Thanks,
Stephen
> On Wed, Jul 26, 2006 at 10:48:25AM -0400, Stephen W. Clarke wrote:
>> Can any of you recommend a Gigabit NIC that will work easily with
>> multiple
>> versions of linux? I'd like to limit the time spent mucking about with
>> drivers. I'm currently using a mix of WhiteBox EL4, CentOS EL4, Fedora
>> Core 4, Fedora Core 5 and Ubuntu 6.06.
>>
>> I've been looking at the D-Link - DGE-530T but mostly because of the
>> price
>> point.
>
> That one should work well. It uses the marvel yukon / sysconnect chip,
> which is supported by the sk98lin/skge driver in linux.
>
> I have mainly used the same chip onboard, but never had a problem in the
> last 2 years of using it.
>
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From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 1 15:11:47 2006
From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 11:11:47 -0400
Subject: Sending email on a schedule?
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Message-ID: <20060801151147.GA3627@wp.magstar.net>
On Tue, Aug 01, 2006 at 09:38:56AM -0400, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 31, 2006 at 05:18:12PM -0400, John Van Ostrand wrote:
> > On Mon, 2006-07-31 at 16:58 -0400, William Park wrote:
> >
> > Yes, it's called 'at' and 'crontab'. It would be helpful if we know
> > what ways that at/crontab were deficient.
> >
> > There is more than that. You will need to know how to send email via
> > command line.
>
> Thank you William and John. Yes, I can do all that. What's missing
> from at and cron? A unified, simple, easy-to-use interface, that's
> what. Remind and wyrd (or calendar) are close, but they don't send
> email by default, and that's what I need.
If you mean GUI interface to all those time/date fields, then a quick
GTK dialog box may be an answer. If you mean a third-party software
designed to read your mind, well... :-)
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From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 1 20:15:50 2006
From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso)
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 16:15:50 -0400
Subject: Linux on the GPL3 @ Groklaw
In-Reply-To: <44CF1832.2000409-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>
References: <44CF1832.2000409@telly.org>
Message-ID:
Evan Leibovitch wrote:
> Here's the piece he wrote:
>
> http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20060727140038810&title=DRM+%26quot%3BMisunderstood%26quot%3B&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=465722#c465745
>
>
> And the full thread:
>
> http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20060727140038810#comments
I get the feeling that there might be some context missing here? I think
that that bottom link should be as follows:
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20060727140038810
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From william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 1 17:06:36 2006
From: william.ohiggins-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (William O'Higgins Witteman)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 13:06:36 -0400
Subject: Sending email on a schedule?
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On Tue, Aug 01, 2006 at 11:11:47AM -0400, William Park wrote:
>> Thank you William and John. Yes, I can do all that. What's missing
>> from at and cron? A unified, simple, easy-to-use interface, that's
>> what. Remind and wyrd (or calendar) are close, but they don't send
>> email by default, and that's what I need.
>
>If you mean GUI interface to all those time/date fields, then a quick
>GTK dialog box may be an answer. If you mean a third-party software
>designed to read your mind, well... :-)
Actually, a curses or CLI interface is what I was hoping for. However,
if you know of software designed to read my mind, that *would* be
easier.
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From john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 1 17:29:53 2006
From: john-Da48MpWaEp0CzWx7n4ubxQ at public.gmane.org (John Van Ostrand)
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 13:29:53 -0400
Subject: Sending email on a schedule?
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On Tue, 2006-08-01 at 13:06 -0400, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote:
> Actually, a curses or CLI interface is what I was hoping for. However,
> if you know of software designed to read my mind, that *would* be
> easier.
Ahh, that's DWIMNWIS: Do what I mean, not what I say.
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From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 1 18:34:08 2006
From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 14:34:08 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Obnoxious self promotion
Message-ID: <20060801183408.44418.qmail@web88201.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Just a little self promotion.
The August issue of Tux Magazine is out, and there is
an article by me about KDETV (pages 21 - 24).
Funny things can happen when working to a deadline.
During the writing of the article I had a bit of
trouble with the TV tuner card I was using, so I could
only get a handful of channels. Now, to illustrate the
screen capture function I needed an image taken from
the TV. Ideally I would have loved to grab screen
shots from "Space" or the "Discovery" channel (my
favourites :-) ), but that wasn't an option for me and
I was running out of time. Any event, I caught Jan
Wong, a journalist with the Globe and Mail Newspaper
being interviewed on Vision TV. Not ideal in my books,
but good enough. So, I figure the editor will put that
in as a little thumbnail image to show the screen
capture feature works... Last page of the article and
a BIG image of Jan Wong... You never know...
Well, next up on my plate articles on "Doom 3 & Quake
3" (almost done), "Procmail" and "Freespire".
Colin McGregor
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From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 1 22:54:05 2006
From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso)
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 18:54:05 -0400
Subject: Obnoxious self promotion
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Message-ID:
Colin McGregor wrote:
> Just a little self promotion.
>
> The August issue of Tux Magazine is out, and there is
> an article by me about KDETV (pages 21 - 24).
>
> Funny things can happen when working to a deadline.
> During the writing of the article I had a bit of
> trouble with the TV tuner card I was using, so I could
> only get a handful of channels. Now, to illustrate the
> screen capture function I needed an image taken from
> the TV. Ideally I would have loved to grab screen
> shots from "Space" or the "Discovery" channel (my
> favourites :-) ), but that wasn't an option for me and
> I was running out of time. Any event, I caught Jan
> Wong, a journalist with the Globe and Mail Newspaper
> being interviewed on Vision TV. Not ideal in my books,
> but good enough. So, I figure the editor will put that
> in as a little thumbnail image to show the screen
> capture feature works... Last page of the article and
> a BIG image of Jan Wong... You never know...
>
> Well, next up on my plate articles on "Doom 3 & Quake
> 3" (almost done), "Procmail" and "Freespire".
Shouldn't that now be Quake 4? The linux port is great. Wine and
Halflife 2 would be good as well. What about tremulous? It's based on
the q3 engine but is heavily modified. Totally free too :)
Jamon
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From rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 1 19:05:22 2006
From: rbrockway-wgAaPJgzrDxH4x6Dk/4f9A at public.gmane.org (Robert Brockway)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 15:05:22 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Sending email on a schedule?
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On Tue, 1 Aug 2006, John Van Ostrand wrote:
> On Tue, 2006-08-01 at 13:06 -0400, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote:
>
>> Actually, a curses or CLI interface is what I was hoping for. However,
>> if you know of software designed to read my mind, that *would* be
>> easier.
>
>
> Ahh, that's DWIMNWIS: Do what I mean, not what I say.
Richard Stallman has a story about that. He tells the story that he
worked on a (non-unix) system once with an rm command that attempted to
use the DWIMNWIS principal - with predictable consequences. Since then I
understand he's been rather hostile to the idea of DWIMNWIS.
Cheers,
Rob
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From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 1 19:22:06 2006
From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 15:22:06 -0400
Subject: Sending email on a schedule?
In-Reply-To: <20060801170636.GA7304-dS67q9zC6oM7y9Lc2D0nHSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org>
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Message-ID: <20060801192206.GA15834@wp.magstar.net>
On Tue, Aug 01, 2006 at 01:06:36PM -0400, William O'Higgins Witteman wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 01, 2006 at 11:11:47AM -0400, William Park wrote:
> >> Thank you William and John. Yes, I can do all that. What's missing
> >> from at and cron? A unified, simple, easy-to-use interface, that's
> >> what. Remind and wyrd (or calendar) are close, but they don't send
> >> email by default, and that's what I need.
> >
> >If you mean GUI interface to all those time/date fields, then a quick
> >GTK dialog box may be an answer. If you mean a third-party software
> >designed to read your mind, well... :-)
>
> Actually, a curses or CLI interface is what I was hoping for. However,
> if you know of software designed to read my mind, that *would* be
> easier.
Play around with
select minute in 0 15 30 45; do
[ "$minute" ] && break
done
echo "minute={$minute}"
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From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 1 19:26:29 2006
From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 15:26:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Obnoxious self promotion
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <20060801192629.85273.qmail@web88203.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
--- Jamon Camisso wrote:
> Colin McGregor wrote:
> > Just a little self promotion.
> >
> > The August issue of Tux Magazine is out, and there
> is
> > an article by me about KDETV (pages 21 - 24).
[snip]
> > Well, next up on my plate articles on "Doom 3 &
> Quake
> > 3" (almost done), "Procmail" and "Freespire".
>
> Shouldn't that now be Quake 4? The linux port is
> great. Wine and
> Halflife 2 would be good as well. What about
> tremulous? It's based on
> the q3 engine but is heavily modified. Totally free
> too :)
During the exchange of e-mails between myself and
editor Kevin Shockey, I was looking at what was
already on my shelf to write about. Yes, I likely
should have suggested Quake 4, but I noted Quake 3
because I already had a copy of that on hand. As is,
Doom 3 gets about 3/4 of the text in my current draft.
Nice thing about Quake 3 is that you can run that on a
Pentium II quite nicely, assuming you have a half
decent video card (Quake 3 and Doom 3 are both
somewhat fussy in that area).
As for the other games, I may suggest those for future
articles, as doing some justice to Quake 3 and Doom 3
in 2,000 words is a tight fit...
Colin McGregor
> Jamon
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From tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 1 20:38:46 2006
From: tlug-neil-8agRmHhQ+n2CxnSzwYWP7Q at public.gmane.org (Neil Watson)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 16:38:46 -0400
Subject: ethernet bonding in Redhat AS 4 64bit
Message-ID: <20060801203846.GC13297@ettin.watson-wilson.ca>
I've been attempting to bond two NICs together in an active-passive
mode. I cannot do this reliably. When I do get it working and run
"service network restart" without error, connectivity is permanently
dropped. I think is has something to do with how the bonding module is
loaded. I've duplicated this behaviour on two separate servers.
modprobe.conf lines:
alias bond0 bonding
options bond0 miimon=100 mode=1
ifcfg-bond0:
DEVICE=bond0
USERCTL=no
ONBOOT=yes
BROADCAST=176.16.1.255
NETWORK=172.16.1.0
NETMASK=255.255.255.0
GATEWAY=172.16.1.1
IPADDR=172.16.1.203
ifcfg-eth0:
DEVICE=eth0
USERCTL=no
ONBOOT=yes
MASTER=bond0
SLAVE=yes
BOOTPROTO=none
ETHTOOL_OPTS="duplex full autoneg off"
ifcfg-eth1:
DEVICE=eth1
USERCTL=no
ONBOOT=yes
MASTER=bond0
SLAVE=yes
BOOTPROTO=none
ETHTOOL_OPTS="duplex full autoneg off"
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From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 1 21:15:15 2006
From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 17:15:15 -0400
Subject: Linux-friendly PCI dialup modem?
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On Mon, Jul 31, 2006 at 12:16:59PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote
> An internal modem has a 16550A compatible UART that does 115200.
> A serial port card has a 16550A compatible UART that does 115200.
>
> I fail to see what could possibly make any speed difference between the
> internal and external modem. Unless the internal modem is very badly
> designed and gets lots of interference from noise in the computer case
> itself, then there should be no difference.
I find that my 1999 Dell with a USR PCI internal gets 45,300 connect
versus 50,666 for an old external X2 flash-upgraded to v90. This is
true for linux, and was also true for Windows (The Dell came with 98SE,
my last Windows purchase).
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From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 1 23:07:35 2006
From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott)
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 19:07:35 -0400
Subject: Linux-friendly PCI dialup modem?
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Walter Dnes wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 31, 2006 at 12:16:59PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote
>
>> An internal modem has a 16550A compatible UART that does 115200.
>> A serial port card has a 16550A compatible UART that does 115200.
>>
>> I fail to see what could possibly make any speed difference between the
>> internal and external modem. Unless the internal modem is very badly
>> designed and gets lots of interference from noise in the computer case
>> itself, then there should be no difference.
>
> I find that my 1999 Dell with a USR PCI internal gets 45,300 connect
> versus 50,666 for an old external X2 flash-upgraded to v90. This is
> true for linux, and was also true for Windows (The Dell came with 98SE,
> my last Windows purchase).
>
Years ago, when modems were popular, there were often differences
between different modem brands and models. For example, the US Robotics
Couriers often out performed the USR Sportsters.
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From jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 2 00:47:48 2006
From: jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (John Myshrall)
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 20:47:48 -0400
Subject: Obnoxious self promotion
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Jamon Camisso wrote:
> Colin McGregor wrote:
>> Just a little self promotion.
>>
>> The August issue of Tux Magazine is out, and there is
>> an article by me about KDETV (pages 21 - 24).
>> Funny things can happen when working to a deadline.
>> During the writing of the article I had a bit of
>> trouble with the TV tuner card I was using, so I could
>> only get a handful of channels. Now, to illustrate the
>> screen capture function I needed an image taken from
>> the TV. Ideally I would have loved to grab screen
>> shots from "Space" or the "Discovery" channel (my
>> favourites :-) ), but that wasn't an option for me and
>> I was running out of time. Any event, I caught Jan
>> Wong, a journalist with the Globe and Mail Newspaper
>> being interviewed on Vision TV. Not ideal in my books,
>> but good enough. So, I figure the editor will put that
>> in as a little thumbnail image to show the screen
>> capture feature works... Last page of the article and
>> a BIG image of Jan Wong... You never know...
>>
>> Well, next up on my plate articles on "Doom 3 & Quake
>> 3" (almost done), "Procmail" and "Freespire".
>
> Shouldn't that now be Quake 4? The linux port is great. Wine and
> Halflife 2 would be good as well. What about tremulous? It's based on
> the q3 engine but is heavily modified. Totally free too :)
>
> Jamon
And it runs quite well on a 900 Mhz Sempron with nVidia 64 MB video
card. I would also add Nexuiz to this list.
Kudos to the ports on Quake 4 and Doom 3. Doom Resurrection of Evil was
a bit different on the install.
John
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From zleap-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 2 02:00:42 2006
From: zleap-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (paul sutton)
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 03:00:42 +0100
Subject: Linux cd burning and meeting up in toronto
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I am looking at getting a laptop to use while in canada, As most seem to
come with XP installed I will probably download kanotix (debian sid), to
use instead of windows,
Do I need any extra software in order to burn a kanotix iso file to a cd-r
so I can boot and install.
Also I am in toronto on Aug 4th to 7th and staying at the global village
backpackers (King / spadina intersection) so if anyone wants to meet up we
could do, hopefully I will have a laptop by then so we could perhaps have a
go at at least burning an iso usintg doze.
am used to kde right click and burn but I know windows is not that easy when
it comes to handling iso files.
The global village has free wireless, which is helpful.
thanks for any help.
Paul Sutton
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From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 2 04:50:18 2006
From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 00:50:18 -0400
Subject: Linux Gigabit NIC
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On Tue, Aug 01, 2006 at 09:58:33AM -0400, Stephen W. Clarke wrote
> I added:
> alias eth1 sk98lin at the end of /etc/modprobe.conf
>
> but when I run:
> ifconfig eth1 192.168.xxx.xxx netmask 255.255.255.0 up
>
> I get:
> SIOCSIFADDR: No such device
> eth1: unknown interface: No such device
> SIOCSIFNETMASK: No such device
> SIOCGIFADDR: No such device
> SIOCSIFBROADCAST: No such device
> eth1: unknown interface: No such device
>
> On boot I get:
> eth1 does not appear to be present delaying initialization.
>
> What am I missing?
I noticed a thread at...
http://www.linuxcompatible.org/Driver_for_DLink_DGE-530T_Gigabit_PCI_on_FC4_t33856.html
According to it, you should use the "skge" driver. If loaded as a
module, change /etc/modprobe.conf to read...
alias eth1 skge
Make sure skge is built. For nic drivers, I just build them right
into the kernel, but that's my personal preference.
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From mr6re9-mI4xJ4qlgtBiLUuM0BA3LQ at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 2 11:30:19 2006
From: mr6re9-mI4xJ4qlgtBiLUuM0BA3LQ at public.gmane.org (Gregory D Hough)
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 07:30:19 -0400
Subject: ethernet bonding in Redhat AS 4 64bit
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Neil Watson wrote:
> I've been attempting to bond two NICs together in an active-passive
> mode. I cannot do this reliably. When I do get it working and run
> "service network restart" without error, connectivity is permanently
> dropped. I think is has something to do with how the bonding module is
> loaded. I've duplicated this behaviour on two separate servers.
>
> modprobe.conf lines:
> alias bond0 bonding
> options bond0 miimon=100 mode=1
>
> ifcfg-bond0:
> DEVICE=bond0
> USERCTL=no
> ONBOOT=yes
> BROADCAST=176.16.1.255
> NETWORK=172.16.1.0
> NETMASK=255.255.255.0
> GATEWAY=172.16.1.1
> IPADDR=172.16.1.203
>
> ifcfg-eth0:
> DEVICE=eth0
> USERCTL=no
> ONBOOT=yes
> MASTER=bond0
> SLAVE=yes
> BOOTPROTO=none
> ETHTOOL_OPTS="duplex full autoneg off"
>
> ifcfg-eth1:
> DEVICE=eth1
> USERCTL=no
> ONBOOT=yes
> MASTER=bond0
> SLAVE=yes
> BOOTPROTO=none
> ETHTOOL_OPTS="duplex full autoneg off"
>
Maybe don't use "service network restart" if you can bring it all up
manually. Something must be amiss in the start-up scripts. And who cares
if it don't come up ONBOOT when uptime is measured in years.
Are they identical nics using the same driver? Are they using the same
interrupt? I don't have any answers, but I am interested in why you're
attempting to do this. Are you trying to create something like a full
duplex port aggregator tap? Wouldn't you need to bond three nics
together for that? Or is this just to passively monitor the fused nic box?
The reason I'm curious is because I searched for something like this,
and the closest I came to it was an iTap from Net Optics. But with a
sticker of 4k each, they're quite out of my reach.
Good Luck,
greg
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From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 2 13:48:43 2006
From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 09:48:43 -0400
Subject: Linux cd burning and meeting up in toronto
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On 8/1/06, paul sutton wrote:
> I am looking at getting a laptop to use while in canada, As most seem to
> come with XP installed I will probably download kanotix (debian sid), to
> use instead of windows,
Always interesting to see what distros people choose ;-)
>
> Do I need any extra software in order to burn a kanotix iso file to a cd-r
> so I can boot and install.
your burning software has to know how to deal with .iso files (disk images)
What I have done, in the past, is to use a bootable linux to burn a
disk (presumes CD AND CDR drives) cause not all Winders burning apps
can cope. (almost all linux apps, though)
If you want to take the easy road, c'mon down to linuxcaffe and slap
$6 (+tax) on the counter !
>
> Also I am in toronto on Aug 4th to 7th and staying at the global village
> backpackers (King / spadina intersection) so if anyone wants to meet up we
> could do, hopefully I will have a laptop by then so we could perhaps have a
> go at at least burning an iso usintg doze.
If you're yearning to hang with fellow enthusiasts, we got geek chic
AND caffe cachet ! (warning; the coffee's so good, it will spoil you
!)
>
> am used to kde right click and burn but I know windows is not that easy when
> it comes to handling iso files.
Windose ... yawn !
we have free-as-in-beer disks, too ! snap up an ubuntu 5.10 to do your
burning dirtywork !
>
> The global village has free wireless, which is helpful.
Our wireless is SO free.. like.. ya don't even have to pay for it !
... wait.. it's even freeer than that !
I would go on and on, but I gotta go bake muffins !
:-D
happy travels,
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From mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 2 14:10:57 2006
From: mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Kallies)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 10:10:57 -0400
Subject: Linux cd burning and meeting up in toronto
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> am used to kde right click and burn but I know windows is not that easy when
> it comes to handling iso files.
Sometimes it can be tough to find software that works at all on Windows.
This'll let you burn ISOs. Free as in beer:
http://www.cdburnerxp.se/
http://www.snapfiles.com/get/cdburnerxp.html
http://www.cdburnerxp.se/help/license
Their site is slow today, you might have to go straight to that second URL.
(Hey, this is on-topic. It's how to burn an ISO on Windows so as to
install Linux.)
-Mike
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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 2 14:24:53 2006
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 10:24:53 -0400
Subject: Linux-friendly PCI dialup modem?
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On Tue, Aug 01, 2006 at 05:15:15PM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
> I find that my 1999 Dell with a USR PCI internal gets 45,300 connect
> versus 50,666 for an old external X2 flash-upgraded to v90. This is
> true for linux, and was also true for Windows (The Dell came with 98SE,
> my last Windows purchase).
Well it is possible that the internal modem does get interference in
that machine. I don't think I ever managed over 45333 on an external
USR that was upgraded to v90 as well. Which model was the external?
I have the courier v.everything, although I hardly ever use it for
anything anymore.
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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 2 14:36:00 2006
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 10:36:00 -0400
Subject: Linux Gigabit NIC
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On Tue, Aug 01, 2006 at 09:58:33AM -0400, Stephen W. Clarke wrote:
> Len (and everyone else on this list),
>
> Thanks for your tips, but I think I must be missing something important.
> Can you tell me where I went wrong?
>
> Distro: WhiteBox EL4
> Kernel: 2.6.9-34.0.1.EL
> gcc: 3.4.5
>
> I installed the card.
>
> When I run:
> lspci | grep -i ethernet
>
> I get:
> 00:0a.0 Ethernet controller: D-Link System Inc: Unknown device 4b01 (rev 11)
> 00:12.0 Ethernet controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6102 [Rhine-II] (rev
> 78)
The problem is that dlink's PCI device ID wasn't in the driver yet in
that old kernel. Also 2.6.17 had a few versions where someone
accidentally moved the PCI ids to the sky2 driver, breaking the dlink
card supposedly. The driver works fine with the card, it just doesn't
know it.
You need a newer kernel, or to patch in the device ids to the source of
your current kernel, and compile it again.
Adding the dlink PCI id to skge or sk98lin sources should deal with it
as far as I know. Someone at least thought the sky2 driver should work,
and moved the dlink to there. Not sure if that is the right driver for
it (although the sky2 is certainly not in 2.6.9).
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From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 2 14:45:58 2006
From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 10:45:58 -0400
Subject: Dual core Intel... how hot?
Message-ID: <20060802144557.GA17952@wp.magstar.net>
How hot (temperature wise) does Intel's dual core run, compared to
Pentium-4 3.0GHz?
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From stephenc-wtWqQT8woy8 at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 2 14:48:18 2006
From: stephenc-wtWqQT8woy8 at public.gmane.org (Stephen W. Clarke)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 10:48:18 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Linux Gigabit NIC
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This suggestion was the ticket.
The thread below let me to this thread.
http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=187770
Which in turn made me check the cd that came with the card. (Duh!)
The D-Link CD includes a script that rebuilds the kernel with the drivers
in it. Unzip. Make a simlink to the kernels directory and run the
install.sh file. Vola. Drivers installed and NIC works!
Go figure!
Stephen
> On Tue, Aug 01, 2006 at 09:58:33AM -0400, Stephen W. Clarke wrote
>
>> I added:
>> alias eth1 sk98lin at the end of /etc/modprobe.conf
>>
>> but when I run:
>> ifconfig eth1 192.168.xxx.xxx netmask 255.255.255.0 up
>>
>> I get:
>> SIOCSIFADDR: No such device
>> eth1: unknown interface: No such device
>> SIOCSIFNETMASK: No such device
>> SIOCGIFADDR: No such device
>> SIOCSIFBROADCAST: No such device
>> eth1: unknown interface: No such device
>>
>> On boot I get:
>> eth1 does not appear to be present delaying initialization.
>>
>> What am I missing?
>
> I noticed a thread at...
> http://www.linuxcompatible.org/Driver_for_DLink_DGE-530T_Gigabit_PCI_on_FC4_t33856.html
>
> According to it, you should use the "skge" driver. If loaded as a
> module, change /etc/modprobe.conf to read...
> alias eth1 skge
>
> Make sure skge is built. For nic drivers, I just build them right
> into the kernel, but that's my personal preference.
>
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From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 2 14:59:36 2006
From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 10:59:36 -0400
Subject: Linux In The Park 2006
Message-ID:
Well hello there, my fine, fat and flightless friends !
How's the herring ?
I bet you could go for a nice cold glacier, about now !
If I understand correctly, the members of the GTAlug executive (you
know who you are) have agreed the Linux In The Park (or LitP) will be
held this year
on
Saturday, August 26 (event times TBA)
at
Bickford Park, across from linuxcaffe.
http://www.linuxcaffe.ca/contact
The date is one day after the famous initial usenet post, my Linus
Torvals, announcing the first release of linux. We would have LITP on
the 25th, but we'll have more fun on a Saturday.
The agenda is still up in the air, but we have several major thrusts;
1) outreach
Lets use this as an occasion to introduce our hairy own selves to
non-geek members of the community. Between now and then, let's
identify other communities/ organizations who (whether they know it or
not) would greatly benefit from some help in the Open Source
department, and invite representatives for some stimulating dialog.
2) exchange
We got skillz and we got stuff !
Methinks it's an opportunity for a repeat of last years, highly
successful, high-tech yard-sale/ swap-meet. It's also an opportunity
for the larger propellers amongst us to help the newbies get their
systems working properly. How about a wireless workshop ? or demos of
brilliant open source apps ? (if things need infrastructure, we can
shuffle groups through the caffe)
3) fun
and frivolity ! Let's bring games and be prepared to get silly !
(no lawn darts please !) How about a water slide ?
4) food
(yes, I know, this should be #1)
Bar-B-Q, salads, beverages, baked good, ethnic treats, BRING IT ON !
We'll be putting together some sort of wiki to ensure that we don't
end up with 67 kilos of potato salad and 2 bottles of coke ! maybe on
the GTAlug site ? Sy ?
just a couple of things that we're working on;
a 10ft inflatable tux ! (IMHO, a must-have)
an outdoor screening of revolutionOS (after dark, obviously)
lots of free stuff !
So mark the date on your calendar and be ready to do some prep work !
see you there,
djp
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From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 2 15:51:22 2006
From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 11:51:22 -0400
Subject: Linux In The Park 2006
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <20060802155122.GA18132@wp.magstar.net>
On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 10:59:36AM -0400, David J Patrick wrote:
> on
> Saturday, August 26 (event times TBA)
> at
> Bickford Park, across from linuxcaffe.
> http://www.linuxcaffe.ca/contact
> 4) food
> (yes, I know, this should be #1)
> Bar-B-Q, salads, beverages, baked good, ethnic treats, BRING IT ON !
> We'll be putting together some sort of wiki to ensure that we don't
> end up with 67 kilos of potato salad and 2 bottles of coke ! maybe on
> the GTAlug site ? Sy ?
That's too complicated. I want 2 sausages and 1 coke. How much?
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From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 2 15:53:44 2006
From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 11:53:44 -0400
Subject: Linux In The Park 2006
In-Reply-To: <20060802155122.GA18132-SBOj+Tp9hCvc29vQ/UIUOA@public.gmane.org>
References:
<20060802155122.GA18132@wp.magstar.net>
Message-ID:
On 8/2/06, William Park wrote:
>
> That's too complicated. I want 2 sausages and 1 coke. How much?
that'll be $7,
NEXT !
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From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 2 16:14:34 2006
From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 12:14:34 -0400
Subject: Linux In The Park 2006
In-Reply-To:
References:
<20060802155122.GA18132@wp.magstar.net>
Message-ID: <99a6c38f0608020914t736b87f9x95d594d994a0e612@mail.gmail.com>
On 8/2/06, David J Patrick wrote:
> On 8/2/06, William Park wrote:
> >
> > That's too complicated. I want 2 sausages and 1 coke. How much?
>
> that'll be $7,
> NEXT !
How much to get it super sized? =)
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From stephenc-wtWqQT8woy8 at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 2 16:25:35 2006
From: stephenc-wtWqQT8woy8 at public.gmane.org (Stephen W. Clarke)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 12:25:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Secure Linux Distros
Message-ID: <32190.72.38.22.170.1154535935.squirrel@72.38.22.170>
I was just visiting http://distrowatch.com/ and noticed that EnGarde
Secure Linux 3.0.8 was released today. I am always trying to find more
secure ways of setting up my servers and was wondering if any of you have
any experience with this distro or perhaps have a high security distro
you'd recommend.
So far my preference has been to use WhiteBox EL4, but I keep thinking
that there should be something better.
Any Thoughts?
Stephen
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From ahammond-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 2 16:48:21 2006
From: ahammond-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw at public.gmane.org (Andrew Hammond)
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 12:48:21 -0400
Subject: Linux In The Park 2006
In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f0608020914t736b87f9x95d594d994a0e612-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
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Scott Elcomb wrote:
> On 8/2/06, David J Patrick wrote:
>> On 8/2/06, William Park wrote:
>> >
>> > That's too complicated. I want 2 sausages and 1 coke. How much?
>>
>> that'll be $7,
>> NEXT !
>
> How much to get it super sized? =)
As a member of TLUG, chances are good that you're already super-sized.
Perhaps, in the interest of maintaining our existing membership, we
should serve crappy tasting tofu-dogs in a low-carb wrap, a tossed
garden salad, dressing on the side and a diet soda.
How about ribs. I loooooove BBQ ribs.
Drew
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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 2 17:27:16 2006
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 13:27:16 -0400
Subject: Secure Linux Distros
In-Reply-To: <32190.72.38.22.170.1154535935.squirrel-u5iS8elThxsi7FR4L9eesA@public.gmane.org>
References: <32190.72.38.22.170.1154535935.squirrel@72.38.22.170>
Message-ID: <20060802172716.GW13640@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 12:25:35PM -0400, Stephen W. Clarke wrote:
> I was just visiting http://distrowatch.com/ and noticed that EnGarde
> Secure Linux 3.0.8 was released today. I am always trying to find more
> secure ways of setting up my servers and was wondering if any of you have
> any experience with this distro or perhaps have a high security distro
> you'd recommend.
>
> So far my preference has been to use WhiteBox EL4, but I keep thinking
> that there should be something better.
I recently saw an article that looked at how long it took different
distributions to fix security issues. The "secure" distributions were
basicaly the slowest, along with the enterprise ones (which of course
have much higher testing standards to go through before releasing the
fix. Actually RHEL was among the fastest, the others were not).
http://searchsecurity.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid14_gci1202417,00.html
Interesting read, whether it is accurate or not.
I am sticking with Debian.
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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 2 17:46:25 2006
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 13:46:25 -0400
Subject: Dual core Intel... how hot?
In-Reply-To: <20060802144557.GA17952-SBOj+Tp9hCvc29vQ/UIUOA@public.gmane.org>
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Message-ID: <20060802174625.GX13640@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 10:45:58AM -0400, William Park wrote:
> How hot (temperature wise) does Intel's dual core run, compared to
> Pentium-4 3.0GHz?
Well the temp depends on your cooling system. The power use also has
something to say though. So here is what I have managed to find:
Pentium 4 HT 3.0 (northwood) 81.9W Socket 478
Pentium 4 HT 3.0E (prescott) 89.0W Socket 478
Pentium 4 HT 531 (prescott) 84W LGA 775
Dual core:
Smithfield Pentium D:
805,820 95W
830,840 130W
Presler Pentium D:
915,920,925,930,945 95W
940,950,960 130W
Of course the new dual core chips (Core 2 Duo) run in about half that
power, and faster in pretty much everything, making buying anything
based on the pentium 4 rather silly, unless you have a board that
supports upgrading the cpu and can get one of them at the now very
discounted prices.
Right now it looks like when I build a new machine for my farther this
fall, it will be a Core 2 Duo based system. His previous two machines
have been Athlon based, with a PPro200 and 486 before those. Have to go
with what is the best after all. The Pentium 2, 3 and especially 4 were
never considered an option by me.
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From talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 2 17:31:23 2006
From: talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Beamish)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 13:31:23 -0400
Subject: Open Source song - "Write Code With You"
In-Reply-To: <99a6c38f0607261344s2ba633abrb43ef72a0de2569a-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
References: <99a6c38f0607261344s2ba633abrb43ef72a0de2569a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID:
On 7/26/06, Scott Elcomb wrote:
>
> A friend came up with some song lyrics a couple weeks ago. We'd been
> talking about Linux, Open Source, and Atomic OS over some drinks. He
> picked up a guitar and went to town.
>
> Anyway, we produced a quick recording last night on a laptop running
> Ubuntu (thx Colin!) It's not a professional job by any means, but
> we'd like to see what people think.
>
> http://atomos.sourceforge.net/#%5B%5BWrite%20Code%20With%20You%5D%5D
Well, listening to Scott's recording of Write Code WIth You made me think ..
I want to play too!
So after some thought and some noodling around, I recorded, mixed and
produced a recording of my own, and have uploaded it to a spare domain of
mine .. please see
http://www.prosco.ca/
for more on my take on Scott's song. Enjoy!
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From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 2 18:48:14 2006
From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 14:48:14 -0400
Subject: Dual core Intel... how hot?
In-Reply-To: <20060802174625.GX13640-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
References: <20060802144557.GA17952@wp.magstar.net> <20060802174625.GX13640@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Message-ID: <20060802184814.GA18495@wp.magstar.net>
On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 01:46:25PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 10:45:58AM -0400, William Park wrote:
> > How hot (temperature wise) does Intel's dual core run, compared to
> > Pentium-4 3.0GHz?
>
> Well the temp depends on your cooling system. The power use also has
> something to say though. So here is what I have managed to find:
>
> Pentium 4 HT 3.0 (northwood) 81.9W Socket 478
> Pentium 4 HT 3.0E (prescott) 89.0W Socket 478
> Pentium 4 HT 531 (prescott) 84W LGA 775
>
> Dual core:
> Smithfield Pentium D:
> 805,820 95W
> 830,840 130W
> Presler Pentium D:
> 915,920,925,930,945 95W
> 940,950,960 130W
Thanks Lennart. Is Core 2 Duo cooler than current AMD 64?
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From wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 2 18:50:39 2006
From: wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Tom Watts)
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 14:50:39 -0400
Subject: Open Source song - "Write Code With You"
In-Reply-To:
References: <99a6c38f0607261344s2ba633abrb43ef72a0de2569a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44D0F3FF.7000709@uoguelph.ca>
Alex Beamish wrote:
> On 7/26/06, *Scott Elcomb* >
> wrote:
>
> A friend came up with some song lyrics a couple weeks ago. We'd been
> talking about Linux, Open Source, and Atomic OS over some drinks. He
> picked up a guitar and went to town.
>
> Anyway, we produced a quick recording last night on a laptop running
> Ubuntu (thx Colin!) It's not a professional job by any means, but
> we'd like to see what people think.
>
> http://atomos.sourceforge.net/#%5B%5BWrite%20Code%20With%20You%5D%5D
>
>
>
> Well, listening to Scott's recording of Write Code WIth You made me
> think .. I want to play too!
>
> So after some thought and some noodling around, I recorded, mixed and
> produced a recording of my own, and have uploaded it to a spare domain
> of mine .. please see
>
> http://www.prosco.ca/
>
> for more on my take on Scott's song. Enjoy!
>
> --
> Alex Beamish
> Toronto, Ontario
>
Is it just me or is this song basically the same as the song that Adam
Sandler plays for Drew Barrymore at the end of the movie "The Wedding
Singer" (with different lyrics of course)? I haven't seen anyone point
this out yet so I was under the impression that I'm crazy or that it's
very obvious to everyone else.
-Tom
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From talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 2 19:05:58 2006
From: talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Beamish)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 15:05:58 -0400
Subject: Open Source song - "Write Code With You"
In-Reply-To: <44D0F3FF.7000709-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org>
References: <99a6c38f0607261344s2ba633abrb43ef72a0de2569a@mail.gmail.com>
<44D0F3FF.7000709@uoguelph.ca>
Message-ID:
Hmm ..
http://www.lyricsfreak.com/a/adam+sandler/grow+old+with+you_20003919.html
I would have to admit that the lyrics on that page do fit the chord
structure of Write Code With You pretty well. I was just doing a cover, so I
didn't think about whether or not I'd heard the song before.
I wonder if that counts as Fair Use.
On 8/2/06, Tom Watts wrote:
>
>
> Alex Beamish wrote:
> > On 7/26/06, *Scott Elcomb* >
> > wrote:
> >
> > A friend came up with some song lyrics a couple weeks ago. We'd
> been
> > talking about Linux, Open Source, and Atomic OS over some
> drinks. He
> > picked up a guitar and went to town.
> >
> > Anyway, we produced a quick recording last night on a laptop running
> > Ubuntu (thx Colin!) It's not a professional job by any means, but
> > we'd like to see what people think.
> >
> > http://atomos.sourceforge.net/#%5B%5BWrite%20Code%20With%20You%5D%5D
> > <
> http://atomos.sourceforge.net/#%5B%5BWrite%20Code%20With%20You%5D%5D>
> >
> >
> > Well, listening to Scott's recording of Write Code WIth You made me
> > think .. I want to play too!
> >
> > So after some thought and some noodling around, I recorded, mixed and
> > produced a recording of my own, and have uploaded it to a spare domain
> > of mine .. please see
> >
> > http://www.prosco.ca/
> >
> > for more on my take on Scott's song. Enjoy!
> >
> > --
> > Alex Beamish
> > Toronto, Ontario
> >
>
> Is it just me or is this song basically the same as the song that Adam
> Sandler plays for Drew Barrymore at the end of the movie "The Wedding
> Singer" (with different lyrics of course)? I haven't seen anyone point
> this out yet so I was under the impression that I'm crazy or that it's
> very obvious to everyone else.
>
> -Tom
>
>
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From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 15:24:18 -0400
Subject: Open Source song - "Write Code With You"
In-Reply-To:
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<44D0F3FF.7000709@uoguelph.ca>
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> On 8/2/06, Alex Beamish wrote:
> Hmm ..
>
> http://www.lyricsfreak.com/a/adam+sandler/grow+old+with+you_20003919.html
>
> I would have to admit that the lyrics on that page do fit the chord
> structure of Write Code With You pretty well. I was just doing a cover, so I
> didn't think about whether or not I'd heard the song before.
>
> I wonder if that counts as Fair Use.
I hope so. Growing old with Open Source would be good, but...
[...]
> > On 8/2/06, Tom Watts wrote:
> > Is it just me or is this song basically the same as the song that Adam
> > Sandler plays for Drew Barrymore at the end of the movie "The Wedding
> > Singer" (with different lyrics of course)? I haven't seen anyone point
> > this out yet so I was under the impression that I'm crazy or that it's
> > very obvious to everyone else.
I've no idea; I've never seen the Wedding Singer. I watch movies
periodically (mostly sci-fi, horror, or documentaries) and gave up TV
years ago.
We were having a couple beers and talking about the stuff that I'm
into. He picked it up and ran with some of the ideas. It wasn't mean
to be disrepectful in any way.
I'll pull up the gmane thread and see what the folks at Digital
Copyright Canada think. If there's a conflict, then I suppose we can
take the files down and hopefully rework the music.
Murphy hates me. I swear it. >:(
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From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 2 19:33:11 2006
From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 15:33:11 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Dual core Intel... how hot?
In-Reply-To: <20060802174625.GX13640-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
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--- Lennart Sorensen
wrote:
> Right now it looks like when I build a new machine
> for my farther this
> fall, it will be a Core 2 Duo based system. His
> previous two machines
> have been Athlon based, with a PPro200 and 486
> before those. Have to go
> with what is the best after all. The Pentium 2, 3
> and especially 4 were
> never considered an option by me.
While the numbers do vary somewhat over time plus
things vary somewhat between AMD and Intel there is
something that seems to stay constant. Namely, of
CURRENT generation CPU chips, the cutting edge has
about 1.5 - 2 times the performance of the trailing
edge. Yet, the cutting edge chip will be 4 - 8 times
the price of the trailing edge chip. In other words
you pay a MASSIVE premium for a fairly modest
performance boost.
This explains why ALL of the boxes I have put together
(starting with a AMD 386SX-25, back a lot of years ago
:-) ) have been current technology, but near the
trailing edge of the technology curve.
While I am sure there are a FEW situations where going
to the cutting edge is cost effective, that doesn't
apply to 99% + of desktop users.
Colin McGregor
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From ahammond-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 2 20:06:18 2006
From: ahammond-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw at public.gmane.org (Andrew Hammond)
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 16:06:18 -0400
Subject: Women in IT (Aug 3). Online freedom of speech (Aug 5th)
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Robert Brockway wrote:
> Years ago a female friend had lost her car in an accident. One Saturday
> I drove her from dealership to dealership as she selected a new vehicle.
>
> One salesguy saw us walk in. He looked directly at me (ignoring my
> friend) and said "What sort of car are you looking for sir?" To which I
> answered "I'm not looking for a car". Even he realised immediately he'd
> blown a potential sale out of the water. *sigh*.
On the subject of Male Chauvinist Pig Car Salesmen...
Before I settled on my Subaru STI, I tried out a number of alternatives,
including the MazdaSpeed 6. It's a nice enough car, but I was really put
off by the sales guy's comment: "I'm telling you man, it's a real pussy
moistener."
Not all guys who are looking for a car that's a fast ride are looking
for the same features in a woman.
I called his manager about that.
Drew
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From wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 2 20:22:12 2006
From: wattst-dxuVLtCph9gsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Tom Watts)
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 16:22:12 -0400
Subject: Open Source song - "Write Code With You"
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Scott Elcomb wrote:
>> On 8/2/06, Alex Beamish wrote:
>> Hmm ..
>>
>> http://www.lyricsfreak.com/a/adam+sandler/grow+old+with+you_20003919.html
>>
>> I would have to admit that the lyrics on that page do fit the chord
>> structure of Write Code With You pretty well. I was just doing a
>> cover, so I
>> didn't think about whether or not I'd heard the song before.
>>
>> I wonder if that counts as Fair Use.
>
> I hope so. Growing old with Open Source would be good, but...
>
> [...]
>> > On 8/2/06, Tom Watts wrote:
>> > Is it just me or is this song basically the same as the song that Adam
>> > Sandler plays for Drew Barrymore at the end of the movie "The Wedding
>> > Singer" (with different lyrics of course)? I haven't seen anyone point
>> > this out yet so I was under the impression that I'm crazy or that it's
>> > very obvious to everyone else.
>
> I've no idea; I've never seen the Wedding Singer. I watch movies
> periodically (mostly sci-fi, horror, or documentaries) and gave up TV
> years ago.
>
> We were having a couple beers and talking about the stuff that I'm
> into. He picked it up and ran with some of the ideas. It wasn't mean
> to be disrepectful in any way.
>
> I'll pull up the gmane thread and see what the folks at Digital
> Copyright Canada think. If there's a conflict, then I suppose we can
> take the files down and hopefully rework the music.
>
> Murphy hates me. I swear it. >:(
>
lol, sorry, I didn't mean to wear the hat of captain bringdown, but I
think it's fine; I once heard a Christmas song on the Maccast podcast
from the podsafe music network which was essentially a song I knew but
with different lyrics. If that's possible, I think this would be this
is fine.
-Tom
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From ahammond-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 2 20:31:23 2006
From: ahammond-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw at public.gmane.org (Andrew Hammond)
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 16:31:23 -0400
Subject: Women in IT (Aug 3). Online freedom of speech (Aug 5th)
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Ahmad wrote:
> Andrew Hammond wrote:
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>>
>>> I agree on that. As IT globalises (read: outsources), those
>>> that are specialised have a hard time, because they're replaced in
>>> waves.
>>
>> Outsourcing has turned out to be less cost-effective than originally
>> imagined. People who whine about having lost their job to India, in my
>> experience either were
>>
>> 1) code grinders or data entry technicians (assuming there's a
>> difference)
>> 2) working on boring crap anyway
>>
>
>
> No this is wrong. I use to think that India would never get decent
> software engineering jobs and especially not R & D jobs but they have.
> Oracle has lots of development jobs in India. Microsoft has a poured
> lots of cash into a company to do R & D and software engineering for new
> Microsoft products. Let's hope Indian software developers are worse
> than U of Waterloo ones. Heck Microsoft has poured a lot of money into
> Indian I.T. period. IBM is right behind them. Linux and Unix work in
> India too. Check Monster India to see the jobs they have there. I saw
> job postings that seem to fit the experience you have. Nothing like
> hearing from the business drones in the media "Jobless recovery.". "I.T.
> sector down 17% in Canada this year."
Large companies that are IT oriented are one of the few cases for which
it turns out to be cost-effective to off-shore. However since all of Big
Biz supplies less than 30% of the jobs in IT, that's not a terribly big
loss.
Furthermore, it appears that while it's possible to off-shore structured
development such as maintenance coding and stuff like 1st tier
phone/email support, it is not a good idea to off-shore things like RAD
efforts, anything that involve much user-interaction, and most sysadmin
type stuff. Hence my comment about the interesting stuff still being
local. I will however agree that it has made entry level positions
harder to find.
> I guess I might stay here and practice saying "Would you like to super
> size that?" or I can try and get a visa to India(I think it is tough to
> get one) and write software for about the same salary as a Fry
> Technician here.
Currently salaries for non-junior people in India range from 1/4 to 1/2
what you'd pay a Canadian. Which is indeed close to what you'd pay a
burger flipper.
> Awww yeah Dorothy, I.T. is going bye bye.
Got any numbers to substantiate that? The numbers I've seen say that IT
is still growing (albeit slower) in North America, despite off-shoring.
This has apparently been driven by the small business sector, especially
in geographic areas which are not traditionally tech-sectors. I wonder
if that includes Kansas?
Drew
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From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 2 20:32:24 2006
From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 16:32:24 -0400
Subject: Open Source song - "Write Code With You"
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References: <99a6c38f0607261344s2ba633abrb43ef72a0de2569a@mail.gmail.com>
<44D0F3FF.7000709@uoguelph.ca>
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On 8/2/06, Tom Watts wrote:
[...]
> > I'll pull up the gmane thread and see what the folks at Digital
> > Copyright Canada think. If there's a conflict, then I suppose we can
> > take the files down and hopefully rework the music.
> >
> > Murphy hates me. I swear it. >:(
> >
>
> lol, sorry, I didn't mean to wear the hat of captain bringdown, but I
> think it's fine; I once heard a Christmas song on the Maccast podcast
> from the podsafe music network which was essentially a song I knew but
> with different lyrics. If that's possible, I think this would be this
> is fine.
Heh. Actually, I appreciate the heads up - much better to know than not.
A response came in from the DCC list that suggests it is not "Fair
Dealing," so I've removed access to the recording on our BBS. That
email also suggests seeking Mr Sandler out, and seeing if he might be
interested.
Not sure how or where to start (other than the web) but if he's
interested, it'd make one helluva story.
Live and learn I guess. Thanks again.
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From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 2 20:53:18 2006
From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott)
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 16:53:18 -0400
Subject: eWEEK
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From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 2 21:10:29 2006
From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 17:10:29 -0400
Subject: Dual core Intel... how hot?
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On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 03:33:11PM -0400, Colin McGregor wrote:
> While the numbers do vary somewhat over time plus
> things vary somewhat between AMD and Intel there is
> something that seems to stay constant. Namely, of
> CURRENT generation CPU chips, the cutting edge has
> about 1.5 - 2 times the performance of the trailing
> edge. Yet, the cutting edge chip will be 4 - 8 times
> the price of the trailing edge chip. In other words
> you pay a MASSIVE premium for a fairly modest
> performance boost.
True. But, we can only buy what's available. I hear that non Dual Core
will be massively discounted soon, due to overstocking. At the moment,
my main concern is heat. I'm already plagued by my harddisk coffee
warmer. I don't think I can handle CPU toaster.
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From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 2 21:11:50 2006
From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch)
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 17:11:50 -0400
Subject: Women in IT (Aug 3). Online freedom of speech (Aug 5th)
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References: <20060727160659.25705.qmail@web88210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <44C9052D.5020003@telly.org> <44C90BAD.4030104@alteeve.com> <44C914F6.9000304@telly.org> <44D105BA.8080105@ca.afilias.info>
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Andrew Hammond wrote:
>"I'm telling you man, it's a real pussy moistener."
>
>
At this point, I suggest that comparisons between the automotive and IT
industries aren't quite so valid anymore.
>I called his manager about that.
>
>
... and he likely got applauded, certainly not punished, after you were
gone. That kind of tactic can be very attractive to some when selling a
car, (somewhat less useful when selling a computer or OS), especially if
the car fails on more-practical criteria.
\begin{digression}
Some people indeed buy certain things for their potential
pussy-moistening (or dick-hardening, depending on context) qualities;
get over it. That such qualities are of no interest to you is just fine,
but please spare the indignation -- of all possible things to be upset
about in the world, this should be at the bottom of anyone's list (if on
the list at all).
Life's too short to be offended so easily.
\end{digression}
- Evan
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From michael.r.newman-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 2 21:26:07 2006
From: michael.r.newman-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Michael Newman)
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 17:26:07 -0400
Subject: External 56k USR Sportster modem up for grabs
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Hi list,
I have an external 56k US Robotics modem. It is assuredly *not* a
Winmodem. Unfortunately it is missing the serial cable, but they are not
hard to find. If you could use it, e-mail me and I can bring it to a
GTALUG meeting or Linux in the Park.
-Mike
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From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 2 21:36:22 2006
From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso)
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 17:36:22 -0400
Subject: Open Source song - "Write Code With You"
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Scott Elcomb wrote:
> On 8/2/06, Tom Watts wrote:
> [...]
>> > I'll pull up the gmane thread and see what the folks at Digital
>> > Copyright Canada think. If there's a conflict, then I suppose we can
>> > take the files down and hopefully rework the music.
>> >
>> > Murphy hates me. I swear it. >:(
>> >
>>
>> lol, sorry, I didn't mean to wear the hat of captain bringdown, but I
>> think it's fine; I once heard a Christmas song on the Maccast podcast
>> from the podsafe music network which was essentially a song I knew but
>> with different lyrics. If that's possible, I think this would be this
>> is fine.
>
> Heh. Actually, I appreciate the heads up - much better to know than not.
>
> A response came in from the DCC list that suggests it is not "Fair
> Dealing," so I've removed access to the recording on our BBS. That
> email also suggests seeking Mr Sandler out, and seeing if he might be
> interested.
>
> Not sure how or where to start (other than the web) but if he's
> interested, it'd make one helluva story.
>
> Live and learn I guess. Thanks again.
Not that you shouldn't be law abiding, but what does it really matter if
you guys came up with a song, around a couple of beers, had a laugh.
Screw Adam Sandler, it's your friend's song. There's absolutely no
reason to give an inch -- no one is being hurt, no profits infringed
(which is by no means harmful to anyone *being*). If everyone just gave
up and stopped making music because it sounded like something else we'd
all be listening to Muzak and Brittany Spears since they both come from
a can.
I'd say leave it up and come what may. Just like with code, if you
haven't seen the original but wrote function or library that did
something similar to a patented piece of code, it isn't really
infringing is it? Ask Andrew Tridgell and see what he thinks. While the
same may not go for inspired works of art, it damn well should.
Apparently you've pulled it so I can't say for sure without hearing the
song, but there are only so many chords to go around, and you can't
patent or copyright those *yet* I hope. Without having written a song
I'm in no position to say of course...
The Barenaked Ladies nailed it with their song "It's all been done":
"And if I put my fingers here, and if I say
"I love you dear,"
And if I play the same three chords,
will you just yawn and say
It's all been done before?"
Jamon
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From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 2 23:17:08 2006
From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch)
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 19:17:08 -0400
Subject: 4M more Linux laptops sold
Message-ID: <44D13274.6020009@telly.org>
The One Laptop Per Child initiative appears to be gaining momentum,
though I can't say I'm surprised at which countries have each ordered
one million systems: Thailand, Nigeria, Brazil and Argentina.
http://ct.enews.eweek.com/rd/cts?d=186-4150-31-89-122426-483633-0-0-0-1
It wouldn't surprise me if Mexico, Malaysia and some eastern European
countries were close behind.
- Evan
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From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 2 23:42:54 2006
From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 19:42:54 -0400
Subject: Linux-friendly PCI dialup modem?
In-Reply-To: <20060802142453.GU13640-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
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On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 10:24:53AM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote
> Well it is possible that the internal modem does get interference in
> that machine. I don't think I ever managed over 45333 on an external
> USR that was upgraded to v90 as well. Which model was the external?
It was a USR X2, near the end of the model run. That was fortunate,
because that meant it was flash-upgradeable.
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From sacha-ctE++fEYmiYdc6zLPptBHg at public.gmane.org Thu Aug 3 00:07:37 2006
From: sacha-ctE++fEYmiYdc6zLPptBHg at public.gmane.org (Sacha Chua)
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 20:07:37 -0400
Subject: Women in IT (Aug 3). Online freedom of speech (Aug 5th)
In-Reply-To: <20060727202833.35079.qmail-W5RQQfbthkOB9c0Qi4KiSl5cfvJIxWXgQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org> (Colin McGregor's message of "Thu, 27 Jul 2006 16:28:33 -0400 (EDT)")
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Hello, everyone!
Colin McGregor writes:
> sample. So beyond the poor social skills idea, to toss
> another idea out, does it help to be born outside
> Canada to become a woman techie?
I'd say this suggests the idea that you have to be a pretty good and
pretty lucky techie to travel. There are a *lot* of women in
technology who don't get that opportunity.
If anything, it's probably harder for foreign-born IT professionals to
make it here, and _particularly_ hard for women. You think women in
technology have to deal with bias and stereotype? I get compliments on
my English all the time. I have so far managed to resist the urge to
tell people I got perfect scores on the verbal portions of my GRE and
other standardized tests. If people are getting hung up on language,
how are they going to trust my technical skills? ;)
Then there's the entire problem of networking. It's much harder for
people from elsewhere to speak up or to even know where to find
interesting people and opportunities.
That said, though, the organizing meeting for this Social Tech Brewing
event was pretty interesting. Most people there could be considered
part of visible minorities.
We wanted to run a separate session aimed at helping foreign-born IT
professionals integrate into Canadian society, but that didn't work
out this month. Still, the need is there.
Best regards,
Sacha
aforementioned Philippine-born UofT grad. student
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From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Aug 3 00:50:35 2006
From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott)
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 20:50:35 -0400
Subject: Linux-friendly PCI dialup modem?
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Message-ID: <44D1485B.5040208@rogers.com>
Walter Dnes wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 10:24:53AM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote
>
>> Well it is possible that the internal modem does get interference in
>> that machine. I don't think I ever managed over 45333 on an external
>> USR that was upgraded to v90 as well. Which model was the external?
>
> It was a USR X2, near the end of the model run. That was fortunate,
> because that meant it was flash-upgradeable.
>
I bought my USR Courier about 15 years ago. It started life at 14.4K
and was then upgraded to V.42 56K. It's flashable. I recall
downloading and installing the various "almost" V.42 updates. I also
received a free upgrade daughter board. I still have that modem
connected to my computer, but rarely use it these days.
p.s I bought that modem from Canada Remote Systems (anyone remember
them?), for a few hundred $.
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From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Aug 3 01:18:56 2006
From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 21:18:56 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Linux-friendly PCI dialup modem?
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--- James Knott wrote:
> Walter Dnes wrote:
[snip]
> p.s I bought that modem from Canada Remote Systems
> (anyone remember
> them?), for a few hundred $.
Yes, I remember CRS, my first Internet e-mail account
was via them, colin.mcgregor-IGXxzrTDBvzQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org . Later on I
worked with CRS founder Jud Newell (after he had left
CRS) in the early days of the Toronto Free-Net. In
doing a Google search I double cheched on one of those
half remembered events (i.e.: was it at convention X
or Y that I did A, B, and C). Any event in 1992 at the
World Science Fiction Convention in Orlando Florida I
attended an @ party. To attend the party you had to
have a valid e-mail address with an "@" sign, which at
the time made it semi-exclusive (now days who wouldn't
have such an e-mail address?). Anyway it was my
canrem.com address that got me into that party :-) .
As for modems, I paid $499 for a 9,600 bps modem
(OUCH!!! but it seemed like a good deal at the
time...).
Colin McGregor
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From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Aug 3 01:33:38 2006
From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott)
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 21:33:38 -0400
Subject: Linux-friendly PCI dialup modem?
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Colin McGregor wrote:
> --- James Knott wrote:
>> Walter Dnes wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>> p.s I bought that modem from Canada Remote Systems
>> (anyone remember
>> them?), for a few hundred $.
>
> Yes, I remember CRS, my first Internet e-mail account
> was via them, colin.mcgregor-IGXxzrTDBvzQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org . Later on I
> worked with CRS founder Jud Newell (after he had left
> CRS) in the early days of the Toronto Free-Net.
He also used to work with my aunt, at Consumer's Glass, before he
started CRS.
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From meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org Thu Aug 3 01:39:43 2006
From: meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org (Meng Cheah)
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 21:39:43 -0400
Subject: Linux-friendly PCI dialup modem?
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Colin McGregor wrote:
>As for modems, I paid $499 for a 9,600 bps modem
>(OUCH!!! but it seemed like a good deal at the
>time...).
>
>
>
How much did you pay for your computer?
Meng
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From jeff-/qp0DKbAOldBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Aug 3 02:03:45 2006
From: jeff-/qp0DKbAOldBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Jeff)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 22:03:45 -0400
Subject: OT: Unix computers and some give away
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Hello All,
I have a small collection of unix machines that I would like to give away. I
have no more storage for them. I prefer to have them all taken away at once.
For your kindness I will give you a Ultra 10 machine.
This is just a list of various items that you will get when you pickup the
lot.
SGI
Indy
Indigo 2 x 3
Indigo with 1 pair of special keyboard & mouse
With various cables and accessories
Sun
Ultra 10
SPARCstation 2
SPARCstation 4 x 2
SPARCstation 5
SPARCstation 10 x 2
SPARCstation 20
Two Sun Monitors (one comes for the Ultra 10)
With varions cables and accessories, external drives and external cd-rom,
keyboard & mouse
Apple PowerMac 7500 with 300MHz G3 upgrade, 128RAM, etc
DEC
Multia (shorted) Some parts might be good?
Two Alpha powered DEC machines
IRIX 6.5.3, 6.2 and 5.3 cd's
Various Solaris and SGI books/guides
You must pickup the items by Friday this week. Or if someone wants to store
them and then distribute this to fellow TLUG members that would work for me
too. Please respond to my email first come first serve.
Thanks
Jeff
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From dwarmstrong-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Aug 3 02:21:24 2006
From: dwarmstrong-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Daniel Armstrong)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 22:21:24 -0400
Subject: 4M more Linux laptops sold
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On 8/2/06, Evan Leibovitch wrote:
> The One Laptop Per Child initiative appears to be gaining momentum,
> though I can't say I'm surprised at which countries have each ordered
> one million systems: Thailand, Nigeria, Brazil and Argentina.
>
> http://ct.enews.eweek.com/rd/cts?d=186-4150-31-89-122426-483633-0-0-0-1
>
> It wouldn't surprise me if Mexico, Malaysia and some eastern European
> countries were close behind.
Cool machines... some interesting tech involved:
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/14.08/laptop.html
I gather from what I have read earlier that the distinctive look is
supposed to dissuade theft, i.e. if you are using one of these
laptops, and you are not a kid from the developing world... you
probably got one on the black market? Which is a shame, because they
could probably find paying customers *here*...
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From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Aug 3 02:31:33 2006
From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 22:31:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Women in IT (Aug 3). Online freedom of speech (Aug 5th)
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--- Sacha ChChuasasacharee.net.phphwrote:
> Hello, everyone!
>
> Colin McMcGregor colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org> writes:
> > sample. So beyond the poor social skills idea, to
> toss
> > another idea out, does it help to be born outside
> > Canada to become a woman techie?
>
> I'd say this suggests the idea that you have to be a
> pretty good and
> pretty lucky techie to travel. There are a *lot* of
> women in
> technology who don't get that opportunity.
Not quite what I am saying. One of the women I
e-mailed about this event was born in (West) Germany,
moved to the UK when she was age 12, and then on to
Canada a few years later. She moved with her family,
but as stands, lives, works, etc., here in Canada. So,
she has fairly good social skills (better than mine
:-( ), but the moment she opens her mouth people
instantly know she isn't from around here (a mostly
German accent with traces of her time in the UK).
So, having come to Canada for what ever reason at what
ever age is that a help in becoming a techie? Is the
fact that you sound different, and/or look different
and/or have a slightly different outlook an asset in
becoming a techie?
> If anything, it's probably harder for foreign-born
> IT professionals to
> make it here, and _particularly_ hard for women. You
> think women in
> technology have to deal with bias and stereotype? I
> get compliments on
> my English all the time. I have so far managed to
> resist the urge to
> tell people I got perfect scores on the verbal
> portions of my GRGREnd
> other standardized tests. If people are getting hung
> up on language,
> how are they going to trust my technical skills? ;)
I was at a tradeshow event, within ear shot of the
above noted woman as she was doing a sales pitch to
one guy. He was focused on attempting to figure out
her accent, and when he found out joked about how she
should date Canadian guys (her answer, she had, and it
had never helped). Needless to say the whole sales
pitch got lost in the shuffle, sigh...
People do get fixated on stuff, be it clothes worn,
cars driven, and yes, gender, accents, etc., are all
part of that nasty mess. I don't know of any easy
solutions there...
> Then there's the entire problem of networking. It's
> much harder for
> people from elsewhere to speak up or to even know
> where to find
> interesting people and opportunities.
Yes, but ... At least to a degree that doesn't happen
in some other fields, technology is a leveler. For
example, a women web designer that I crossed paths
with was deaf. She had been born hearing, had survived
a cancer in her skull (the doctors had destroyed the
cancer and in the process she had lost her hearing,
lesser of two very nasty evils). Ok, so you have a
woman who by nature would not I gather have been a
techie, but when you need to find a job where you can
do effectively everything via e-mail a lot of job
avenues are closed to you...
> That said, though, the organizing meeting for this
> Social Tech Brewing
> event was pretty interesting. Most people there
> could be considered
> part of visible minorities.
So, your like my brother Gordon, only much less
visible :-) . Semi-serious, Gordon is teaching English
in South Korea, where ALL non-Koreans (Chinese,
Caucasian, etc.) make up under 0.1% of the population.
So, Gordon has had something of a hard time of it, and
has found the Internet a life line of sorts in that it
does allow him to keep in touch with people...
> We wanted to run a separate session aimed at helping
> foreign-born IT
> professionals integrate into Canadian society, but
> that didn't work
> out this month. Still, the need is there.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Sacha
> aforementioned Philippine-born UofT grad. student
Colin McGregor
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From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Aug 3 02:41:05 2006
From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 19:41:05 -0700
Subject: Women in IT (Aug 3). Online freedom of speech (Aug 5th)
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On 8/2/06, Christopher Browne wrote:
whoops - hit "send" too early...
> On 8/2/06, Andrew Hammond wrote:
> > > Awww yeah Dorothy, I.T. is going bye bye.
> >
> > Got any numbers to substantiate that? The numbers I've seen say that IT
> > is still growing (albeit slower) in North America, despite off-shoring.
> > This has apparently been driven by the small business sector, especially
> > in geographic areas which are not traditionally tech-sectors. I wonder
> > if that includes Kansas?
>
> The "mature" markets are always ones that are obvious, and, since
> their niches are already filled, they aren't terribly open to
> newcomers. That's certainly true of the situations in large
> businesses.
>
> Once a large business stabilizes, the opportunities are severely
> limited to outsiders as you have only a few kinds of situations:
>
> - If you're in an area where jobs are relatively stable, the larger
> the company, the *less* the proportion of jobs that
... the *less* the proportion of jobs that turn over each year. In
effect, if it's a stable place, you get to compete for a vanishingly
small number of new positions each year.
The other possibility is to be at one of the EDSes or such (E&Y, KPMG,
D&T, ...) where the route upwards is an absolutely ferocious rat-race
where they have 20% turnover per year because people either leap
towards living for partnership, trying to bill 80h/week to their
clients, or fail, and become part of that 20% turnover.
Big business may be highly visible; that doesn't mean it's all that
wonderful a place to be...
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From ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Thu Aug 3 02:18:27 2006
From: ekg_ab-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (E K)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 22:18:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Secure Linux Distros
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Interesting reading indeed. I had migrated my servers from RH to Ubuntu recently maily for security reason. So far Ubuntu I am happy with it, both on server and desktop front. I liked the fact that the root user is disabled from logging, locally or remotely, though I would like to know what security limitation it may have.
EK
Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 12:25:35PM -0400, Stephen W. Clarke wrote:
> I was just visiting http://distrowatch.com/ and noticed that EnGarde
> Secure Linux 3.0.8 was released today. I am always trying to find more
> secure ways of setting up my servers and was wondering if any of you have
> any experience with this distro or perhaps have a high security distro
> you'd recommend.
>
> So far my preference has been to use WhiteBox EL4, but I keep thinking
> that there should be something better.
I recently saw an article that looked at how long it took different
distributions to fix security issues. The "secure" distributions were
basicaly the slowest, along with the enterprise ones (which of course
have much higher testing standards to go through before releasing the
fix. Actually RHEL was among the fastest, the others were not).
http://searchsecurity.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid14_gci1202417,00.html
Interesting read, whether it is accurate or not.
I am sticking with Debian.
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From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 22:43:30 -0400
Subject: ADSL modem VPI/VCI settings for Cybersurf/3Web in Ontario?
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I've ordered a replacement combo modem/router from an ebay store. It
should be here in a week or so. My old unit is so dead that I can't get
in to view the VPI/VCI settings. Does anybody know for certain what
they are? Any other Cybersurf/3Web ADSL customers on this list? Can
you check your settings please?
My searching on Google indicates 0/35 for ADSL in Ontario. The script
reader at Cybersurf didn't know what I was talking about. His
supervisor suggested checking on Google, which I had already done.
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From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Aug 3 02:33:19 2006
From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 19:33:19 -0700
Subject: Women in IT (Aug 3). Online freedom of speech (Aug 5th)
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On 8/2/06, Andrew Hammond wrote:
> > No this is wrong. I use to think that India would never get decent
> > software engineering jobs and especially not R & D jobs but they have.
> > Oracle has lots of development jobs in India. Microsoft has a poured
> > lots of cash into a company to do R & D and software engineering for new
> > Microsoft products. Let's hope Indian software developers are worse
> > than U of Waterloo ones. Heck Microsoft has poured a lot of money into
> > Indian I.T. period. IBM is right behind them. Linux and Unix work in
> > India too. Check Monster India to see the jobs they have there. I saw
> > job postings that seem to fit the experience you have. Nothing like
> > hearing from the business drones in the media "Jobless recovery.". "I.T.
> > sector down 17% in Canada this year."
>
> Large companies that are IT oriented are one of the few cases for which
> it turns out to be cost-effective to off-shore. However since all of Big
> Biz supplies less than 30% of the jobs in IT, that's not a terribly big
> loss.
>
> Furthermore, it appears that while it's possible to off-shore structured
> development such as maintenance coding and stuff like 1st tier
> phone/email support, it is not a good idea to off-shore things like RAD
> efforts, anything that involve much user-interaction, and most sysadmin
> type stuff. Hence my comment about the interesting stuff still being
> local. I will however agree that it has made entry level positions
> harder to find.
Part of that, I think, is business-cycle related, too.
We saw, in this locale, some really excessively optimistic growth from
four notable perspectives:
0. Y2K work meant that anyone with something resembling credentials
got drawn into an effort that companies didn't want to continue to pay
for one week after 01-01-00 rolled around.
1. There was an "Internet bubble" where any idiot that could figure
out a bit of HTML and VB could become an ASP programmer with
aspersions on starting an endeavour to try to outdo Spamazon.
2. Combine some "cellular inflation" where every cell company beefed
up imagining they would be The One.
3. These sets of growth caused Internet "infrastructure" companies
building and selling hardware, notably, here, Nortel, that carried
hardware used for both cellular and Internet networking, to make
spectacularly overoptimistic plans. Ottawa's JDS Uniphase was
building components for many of the same folks, and got similarly
overextended...
When the overexuberance fell, this led to quite a lot of fallback. In
Ottawa, the government was in a fascinating situation of growth which
meant that all the ex-Nortel managers were re-minted as government
managers. Not so for the techies; the government didn't have the
need. Similarly, Toronto didn't instantly re-absorb the ex-techies.
Those that had been "idiots barely able to write HTML" were wise, if
they had been playing enough politics to make themselves *appear*
indispensable. The true techies, with less political skill, hadn't
been similarly entrenched...
The result, from 2001 to probably a year or so ago, has been pretty
challenging to those that weren't entrenched somehow.
There being some simultaneous pressure, in large companies, to move
some of their work to India/China/Russia has evidently been mistaken
for being the *only* effect in play. If all you choose to see is the
"jobs moving to India" effect, then you're choosing a particular bit
of blindness...
> > I guess I might stay here and practice saying "Would you like to super
> > size that?" or I can try and get a visa to India(I think it is tough to
> > get one) and write software for about the same salary as a Fry
> > Technician here.
>
> Currently salaries for non-junior people in India range from 1/4 to 1/2
> what you'd pay a Canadian. Which is indeed close to what you'd pay a
> burger flipper.
>
> > Awww yeah Dorothy, I.T. is going bye bye.
>
> Got any numbers to substantiate that? The numbers I've seen say that IT
> is still growing (albeit slower) in North America, despite off-shoring.
> This has apparently been driven by the small business sector, especially
> in geographic areas which are not traditionally tech-sectors. I wonder
> if that includes Kansas?
The "mature" markets are always ones that are obvious, and, since
their niches are already filled, they aren't terribly open to
newcomers. That's certainly true of the situations in large
businesses.
Once a large business stabilizes, the opportunities are severely
limited to outsiders as you have only a few kinds of situations:
- If you're in an area where jobs are relatively stable, the larger
the company, the *less* the proportion of jobs that
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From: cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 03:29:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Linux-friendly PCI dialup modem?
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Message-ID:
On Wed, 2 Aug 2006, Colin McGregor wrote:
>
> As for modems, I paid $499 for a 9,600 bps modem
> (OUCH!!! but it seemed like a good deal at the
> time...).
I remember when $1 per baud was the norm.
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From kb2spp-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Aug 3 11:41:48 2006
From: kb2spp-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Juan Rico)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 04:41:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: ADSL modem VPI/VCI settings for Cybersurf/3Web in Ontario?
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More than a year ago, I used an ADSL BB0060A modem/router
and certainly the settings were VPI=0, VCI=35 for
connections across the ATM network. It worked like a
charm....
Juan Rico
--- Walter Dnes wrote:
> I've ordered a replacement combo modem/router from an
> ebay store. It
> should be here in a week or so. My old unit is so dead
> that I can't get
> in to view the VPI/VCI settings. Does anybody know for
> certain what
> they are? Any other Cybersurf/3Web ADSL customers on
> this list? Can
> you check your settings please?
>
> My searching on Google indicates 0/35 for ADSL in
> Ontario. The script
> reader at Cybersurf didn't know what I was talking about.
> His
> supervisor suggested checking on Google, which I had
> already done.
>
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From davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org Thu Aug 3 12:09:24 2006
From: davec-zxk95TxsVYDyHADnj0MGvQC/G2K4zDHf at public.gmane.org (Dave Cramer)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 08:09:24 -0400
Subject: looking for a contract system admin
Message-ID: <34D891EF-66BE-49DB-A75B-03B3FE53B2EC@visibleassets.com>
I have a need for a part time sysadmin. Responsibilities would
include keeping systems up to date, ensuring backups were running, etc.
Upgrading a number of systems
Please contact me offlist only if you have relevant experience.
Dave
Dave Cramer
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2330 Southfield Rd
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From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 08:13:57 -0400
Subject: looking for a contract system admin
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On 8/3/06, Dave Cramer wrote:
>
> I have a need for a part time sysadmin. Responsibilities would include
> keeping systems up to date, ensuring backups were running, etc.
>
> Upgrading a number of systems
>
> Please contact me offlist only if you have relevant experience.
Hi Dave,
I'm not really in the market for a position, but I do have the
experience (in the field, not just school) and know a few other's that
do as well.
Can you describe the position further - in effect, how many systems
and what distro(s) in particular you need to support?
If I can, I'll forward your message to qualified folks I know that
aren't very active on the TLUG list.
Take care,
- Scott.
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From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Aug 3 12:19:59 2006
From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 08:19:59 -0400
Subject: Open Source song - "Write Code With You"
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On 8/2/06, Jamon Camisso wrote:
> Not that you shouldn't be law abiding, but what does it really matter if
> you guys came up with a song, around a couple of beers, had a laugh.
> Screw Adam Sandler, it's your friend's song. There's absolutely no
> reason to give an inch -- no one is being hurt, no profits infringed
> (which is by no means harmful to anyone *being*). If everyone just gave
> up and stopped making music because it sounded like something else we'd
> all be listening to Muzak and Brittany Spears since they both come from
> a can.
>
> I'd say leave it up and come what may. Just like with code, if you
> haven't seen the original but wrote function or library that did
> something similar to a patented piece of code, it isn't really
> infringing is it? Ask Andrew Tridgell and see what he thinks. While the
> same may not go for inspired works of art, it damn well should.
>
> Apparently you've pulled it so I can't say for sure without hearing the
> song, but there are only so many chords to go around, and you can't
> patent or copyright those *yet* I hope. Without having written a song
> I'm in no position to say of course...
>
> The Barenaked Ladies nailed it with their song "It's all been done":
>
> "And if I put my fingers here, and if I say
> "I love you dear,"
> And if I play the same three chords,
> will you just yawn and say
> It's all been done before?"
Ok, a couple points here:
#1 - I agree with you wholeheartedly. Unfortunately the Canadian
Legal System may not.
#2 - The Barenaked Ladies have at least one connection to/at/with
Digital Copyright Canada and is part of the reason that I've relied on
their guidance for as long as I have.
I'd say that's a doubleplusgood reason to play things safe and by the
book. At least until reality hits the GoC in the head.
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From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Thu Aug 3 13:30:27 2006
From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch)
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 09:30:27 -0400
Subject: Linux-friendly PCI dialup modem?
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References: <20060803011856.26954.qmail@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <44D1FA73.5080102@telly.org>
Colin McGregor wrote:
>As for modems, I paid $499 for a 9,600 bps modem (OUCH!!! but it seemed like a good deal at the time...).
>
>
Well, when that's all there was...
I had one of the original Telebit Trailblazers (dark grey case, just
like the one in the photo at
http://www.tonh.net/museum/telebittrailblazer.html ). I was able to get
it for the _discounted_ price of $1K because the 386 it was attached to
was a known UUCP/Usenet mail/news forwarder. That box served a bunch of
sites and was for quite a long time the southern Ontario gateway for the
entire biz.* hierarchy. Once a night (at 11pm, once the long distance
rates went down) it would call Chicago and exchange all sorts of stuff,
which would then get unpacked, forwarded and expired by the hours-long
run of Cnews. I think my site and Drew's "lethe" must have between us
sometimes served the half of the city that didn't get fed by UofT. But
you could do that with Trailiblazers. :-)
(By comparison, the USRobotics HSTs that all the BBS and FIDOnet kiddies
were playing with at the time were mere toys that couldn't do half the
bandwidth.)
Sometimes, when one reads about the net-neutrality garbage and the way
email is spammed and snooped, it's easy to get nostalgic for the days
when you could trust the others on the UUCP network as a simple and
straightforward place to get your mail, FAQs, porn and flamewars.
"You send 'mail' to people by typing at a computer? What a stupid idea,
it'll never catch on..."
Evan Leibovitch
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From matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Thu Aug 3 14:03:12 2006
From: matt-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (G. Matthew Rice)
Date: 03 Aug 2006 10:03:12 -0400
Subject: Open Source song - "Write Code With You"
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Jamon Camisso writes:
> I'd say leave it up and come what may. Just like with code, if you haven't
That's a pretty cavalier attitude considering you aren't the one that would be
dragged into court.
Although, if it was me, I'd leave it up, too. "It's easier to ask forgiveness
than permission" ;)
Besides, if jibjab can get away with their "This Land" spoof and all the
exposure it received:
http://www.jibjab.com/JokeBox/JokeBox_JJOrig.aspx?movieid=65
I don't think this one will raise an eyebrow. IANAL...
> Apparently you've pulled it so I can't say for sure without hearing the song,
> but there are only so many chords to go around, and you can't patent or
> copyright those *yet* I hope. Without having written a song I'm in no
> position to say of course...
I listened to both version but didn't read much of the thread. I thought it
was _meant_ to be based on the song from the wedding singer.
> The Barenaked Ladies nailed it with their song "It's all been done":
>
> "And if I put my fingers here, and if I say
> "I love you dear,"
> And if I play the same three chords,
> will you just yawn and say
> It's all been done before?"
Yeah, but that's just a spin on McCartney's "Silly Love Songs" ;)
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From mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Aug 3 17:26:52 2006
From: mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Kallies)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 13:26:52 -0400
Subject: Open Source song - "Write Code With You"
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On 03 Aug 2006 10:03:12 -0400, G. Matthew Rice wrote:
> Jamon Camisso writes:
> > I'd say leave it up and come what may. Just like with code, if you haven't
>
> That's a pretty cavalier attitude considering you aren't the one that would be
> dragged into court.
>
> Although, if it was me, I'd leave it up, too. "It's easier to ask forgiveness
> than permission" ;)
What I heard on the site currently sounds like a derivative of John
Cage's work. It wouldn't be the first time there was trouble:
Although I expect the incorrect attribution was the real problem, not
the chord progressions themselves.
The safest course of action at this point would be to put up some
randomly generated notes. Be sure to gain sufficient entropy though,
else you might be violating somebody's copyright.
-Mike
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From ahammond-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw at public.gmane.org Thu Aug 3 17:28:59 2006
From: ahammond-swQf4SbcV9C7WVzo/KQ3Mw at public.gmane.org (Andrew Hammond)
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 13:28:59 -0400
Subject: Women in IT (Aug 3). Online freedom of speech (Aug 5th)
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Sacha Chua wrote:
> If anything, it's probably harder for foreign-born IT professionals to
> make it here, and _particularly_ hard for women. You think women in
> technology have to deal with bias and stereotype? I get compliments on
> my English all the time.
1) Any non-native speaker who can master the grotesquely complex and
ugly language that is English deserves the compliment. I suspect that
others feel the same way.
2) I like it when pretty women smile at me. I think there are other guys
who like it too. To get smiled at by pretty women, I sometimes try to
say nice things to them. I doubt I'm alone in following this tactic.
You're a pretty woman and honest compliments about a skill are innocuous...
> I have so far managed to resist the urge to
> tell people I got perfect scores on the verbal portions of my GRE and
> other standardized tests.
Wow. Uh... I can swear in Russian pretty good...
> If people are getting hung up on language,
> how are they going to trust my technical skills? ;)
Er... the more I work in this field, the more I am convinced that
communication skills are at least as important as technical skills. If
it's an interesting problem, then it will certainly require some
research and probably some collaboration too. The value of the solution
will in large part be a function of how it is communicated, from
comments in the code through to presentations at a conference. All of
these things are to some degree language related.
Drew
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From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Aug 3 18:43:13 2006
From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 14:43:13 -0400
Subject: Open Source song - "Write Code With You"
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On 8/3/06, Mike Kallies wrote:
> What I heard on the site currently sounds like a derivative of John
> Cage's work. It wouldn't be the first time there was trouble:
>
>
>
> Although I expect the incorrect attribution was the real problem, not
> the chord progressions themselves.
>
> The safest course of action at this point would be to put up some
> randomly generated notes. Be sure to gain sufficient entropy though,
> else you might be violating somebody's copyright.
LOL - That's almost disturbing. Now I'm doubly glad I ran across the
Infinite Game Universe Algorithm article[1] on Gamasutra.com a few
years back - well before I even heard of Linux.
About 2 years ago, I ran across the book "Infinite Game Universe:
Level Design, Terrain, and Sound" [2] at Chapters, which is based on
(I believe) the Gamasutra article.
The techniques used in both cases are about controlled use of
pseudo-random number generators. Will have to get on the silence
thing asap!
[1] http://www.gamasutra.com/features/19990917/infinite_02.htm
(requires registration)
[2] http://www.charlesriver.com/Books/BookDetail.aspx?productID=18860
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From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Aug 3 18:58:01 2006
From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 14:58:01 -0400
Subject: Producing Musical Notes with Linux (Was: Open Source Song - "Write Code With You")
Message-ID: <99a6c38f0608031158r70084355ue9f1e997b0ee29a2@mail.gmail.com>
Is anyone aware of any command line tools or scripts that produce
musical notes under linux? I'm thinking in a similar vein as
Festival, just producing pure notes?
I started programming on a C-128 when I was like 10 or so; one of my
all time favorite Commodore Basic (v7 I think?) intructions was the
PLAY command. Really, really simple way to create music, and music
keyboards. Of course that was mid 80's...
Besides playing with SDL and perl, I've never tried to write sound
apps on Linux.
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From interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org Thu Aug 3 19:02:09 2006
From: interlug-vSRlqIl1h/9eoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org (Interlug)
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 15:02:09 -0400
Subject: Producing Musical Notes with Linux (Was: Open Source
Song - "Write Code With You")
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On Thu, 2006-03-08 at 14:58 -0400, Scott Elcomb wrote:
> Is anyone aware of any command line tools or scripts that produce
> musical notes under linux?
shutdown -r now
makes a beep, but there is some latency and no pitch or duration
control. ;-)
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From yanni-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Aug 3 19:12:43 2006
From: yanni-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Yanni Chiu)
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 15:12:43 -0400
Subject: Producing Musical Notes with Linux (Was: Open Source Song -
"Write Code With You")
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Scott Elcomb wrote:
> Is anyone aware of any command line tools or scripts that produce
> musical notes under linux? I'm thinking in a similar vein as
> Festival, just producing pure notes?
Does it have to be command line? Wouldn't Squeak be better?
See: http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/squeak/uploads/squeak_music.gif
to start; check out the rest of the wiki, maybe starting from:
http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/squeak/3480. Then you can ask more
questions of the Squeak community. You can find the mailing list
at www.squeak.org.
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From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Aug 3 19:21:34 2006
From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 15:21:34 -0400
Subject: Producing Musical Notes with Linux (Was: Open Source Song - "Write Code With You")
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On 8/3/06, Yanni Chiu wrote:
> Scott Elcomb wrote:
> > Is anyone aware of any command line tools or scripts that produce
> > musical notes under linux? I'm thinking in a similar vein as
> > Festival, just producing pure notes?
>
> Does it have to be command line?
Actually, it's to create, programmatically, pseudo-random sound so
that Alex and I don't get ourselves sued due to violating somebody's
copyrighted work of silence. =)
A command line tool that can be scripted with Bash or Perl, or some c
source (and identification of a sound library) would be just about
perfect.
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From mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Thu Aug 3 19:57:44 2006
From: mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Merv Curley)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 15:57:44 -0400
Subject: Open Source song - "Write Code With You"
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On Wednesday 02 August 2006 16:32, Scott Elcomb wrote:
>
> Heh. Actually, I appreciate the heads up - much better to know than not.
>
> A response came in from the DCC list that suggests it is not "Fair
> Dealing," so I've removed access to the recording on our BBS. That
> email also suggests seeking Mr Sandler out, and seeing if he might be
> interested.
>
I would be very surprised to hear that Sandler had anything to do with the
writing of the song. Maybe someone with a copy of the movie could look at
the end credits and see who gets the credits for music and lyrics. After
that it is probably the studio who has copyright.
> Not sure how or where to start (other than the web) but if he's
> interested, it'd make one helluva story.
>
> Live and learn I guess. Thanks again.
--
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From mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Thu Aug 3 20:02:20 2006
From: mervc-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Merv Curley)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 16:02:20 -0400
Subject: Linux-friendly PCI dialup modem?
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Message-ID: <200608031602.20396.mervc@eol.ca>
On Thursday 03 August 2006 03:29, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Aug 2006, Colin McGregor wrote:
> > As for modems, I paid $499 for a 9,600 bps modem
> > (OUCH!!! but it seemed like a good deal at the
> > time...).
>
> I remember when $1 per baud was the norm.
Surely I'm not the only one who gave Radio Shack $150 or so for a 300 baud
modem and then occasionally had large bills from Compuserve for logging on
too often.
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From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Thu Aug 3 20:06:51 2006
From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 20:06:51 +0000
Subject: Producing Musical Notes with Linux (Was: Open Source Song - "Write Code With You")
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Message-ID:
On 8/3/06, Scott Elcomb wrote:
> Is anyone aware of any command line tools or scripts that produce
> musical notes under linux? I'm thinking in a similar vein as
> Festival, just producing pure notes?
One of the following might be suitable for producing notes...
These tools usually include staffs, clefs, and such, too, not merely
pure notes...
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http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/linux.html
Oddly enough, this is completely standard behaviour for shells. This
is a roundabout way of saying `don't use combined chains of `&&'s and
`||'s unless you think G?del's theorem is for sissies'.
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From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Thu Aug 3 20:12:59 2006
From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 16:12:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Open Source song - "Write Code With You"
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--- Scott Elcomb wrote:
> Ok, a couple points here:
>
> #1 - I agree with you wholeheartedly. Unfortunately
> the Canadian
> Legal System may not.
> #2 - The Barenaked Ladies have at least one
> connection to/at/with
> Digital Copyright Canada and is part of the reason
> that I've relied on
> their guidance for as long as I have.
>
> I'd say that's a doubleplusgood reason to play
> things safe and by the
> book. At least until reality hits the GoC in the
> head.
Ok, so play by the book, just use a very old play
book. Take a tune that is old enough to be in the
public domain and use that for your new lyrics. This
way if someone says "Hey, you ripped that tune off
mega-recording star X!" you will be able to reply with
something like "No, we both based the tune on a
traditional Scottish folk tune that was published in
1805, so the tune is in the public domain, and nobody
can legally touch me on that score!" :-) .
In other words put yourself in a position where yes,
your knowingly "ripping" off another (now long dead)
artist, but in a way where nobody can legally touch
you.
The Toronto Central Reference Library (Yonge near
Bloor) has a large printed music collection from the
19th and early 20th centuries that you might want to
look at....
Colin McGregor
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From cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org Thu Aug 3 20:22:31 2006
From: cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 16:22:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Open Source song - "Write Code With You"
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<44D0F3FF.7000709@uoguelph.ca>
Message-ID:
On Wed, 2 Aug 2006, Tom Watts wrote:
>
> Alex Beamish wrote:
>> On 7/26/06, *Scott Elcomb* >
>> wrote:
>>
>> A friend came up with some song lyrics a couple weeks ago. We'd been
>> talking about Linux, Open Source, and Atomic OS over some drinks. He
>> picked up a guitar and went to town.
>>
>> Anyway, we produced a quick recording last night on a laptop running
>> Ubuntu (thx Colin!) It's not a professional job by any means, but
>> we'd like to see what people think.
>>
>> http://atomos.sourceforge.net/#%5B%5BWrite%20Code%20With%20You%5D%5D
>>
>>
>>
>> Well, listening to Scott's recording of Write Code WIth You made me think
>> .. I want to play too!
>>
>> So after some thought and some noodling around, I recorded, mixed and
>> produced a recording of my own, and have uploaded it to a spare domain of
>> mine .. please see
>>
>> http://www.prosco.ca/
>>
>> for more on my take on Scott's song. Enjoy!
>
> Is it just me or is this song basically the same as the song that Adam
> Sandler plays for Drew Barrymore at the end of the movie "The Wedding Singer"
> (with different lyrics of course)? I haven't seen anyone point this out yet
> so I was under the impression that I'm crazy or that it's very obvious to
> everyone else.
I thought it sounded familiar, but like something much older than
the Wedding Singer, probably from the 1960s.
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From jeff-/qp0DKbAOldBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 4 02:39:56 2006
From: jeff-/qp0DKbAOldBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Jeff)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 22:39:56 -0400
Subject: OT: Unix computers and some give away
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Hello all,
Thanks for the reponses. Derek has taken all the machines and offered to
give away some of them. Please contact him off list.
His email address is:
derekm-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org
Thanks
Jeff
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From: owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org [mailto:owner-tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Jeff
Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 10:04 PM
To: tlug-lxSQFCZeNF4 at public.gmane.org
Subject: [TLUG]: OT: Unix computers and some give away
Hello All,
I have a small collection of unix machines that I would like to give away. I
have no more storage for them. I prefer to have them all taken away at once.
For your kindness I will give you a Ultra 10 machine.
This is just a list of various items that you will get when you pickup the
lot.
SGI
Indy
Indigo 2 x 3
Indigo with 1 pair of special keyboard & mouse With various cables and
accessories
Sun
Ultra 10
SPARCstation 2
SPARCstation 4 x 2
SPARCstation 5
SPARCstation 10 x 2
SPARCstation 20
Two Sun Monitors (one comes for the Ultra 10) With varions cables and
accessories, external drives and external cd-rom, keyboard & mouse
Apple PowerMac 7500 with 300MHz G3 upgrade, 128RAM, etc
DEC
Multia (shorted) Some parts might be good?
Two Alpha powered DEC machines
IRIX 6.5.3, 6.2 and 5.3 cd's
Various Solaris and SGI books/guides
You must pickup the items by Friday this week. Or if someone wants to store
them and then distribute this to fellow TLUG members that would work for me
too. Please respond to my email first come first serve.
Thanks
Jeff
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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 4 12:53:51 2006
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 08:53:51 -0400
Subject: Dual core Intel... how hot?
In-Reply-To: <20060802184814.GA18495-SBOj+Tp9hCvc29vQ/UIUOA@public.gmane.org>
References: <20060802144557.GA17952@wp.magstar.net> <20060802174625.GX13640@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20060802184814.GA18495@wp.magstar.net>
Message-ID: <20060804125351.GY13640@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 02:48:14PM -0400, William Park wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 01:46:25PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
> > On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 10:45:58AM -0400, William Park wrote:
> > > How hot (temperature wise) does Intel's dual core run, compared to
> > > Pentium-4 3.0GHz?
> >
> > Well the temp depends on your cooling system. The power use also has
> > something to say though. So here is what I have managed to find:
> >
> > Pentium 4 HT 3.0 (northwood) 81.9W Socket 478
> > Pentium 4 HT 3.0E (prescott) 89.0W Socket 478
> > Pentium 4 HT 531 (prescott) 84W LGA 775
> >
> > Dual core:
> > Smithfield Pentium D:
> > 805,820 95W
> > 830,840 130W
> > Presler Pentium D:
> > 915,920,925,930,945 95W
> > 940,950,960 130W
>
> Thanks Lennart. Is Core 2 Duo cooler than current AMD 64?
Depends on the model of Athlon 64.
Power use on Athlon 64's are:
Single core:
89W for 130nm Athlon 64
67W for 90nm Athlon 64
62W for 90nm Athlon 64 (new revision with virtialization support)
89W for FX51/53
104W for FX55/57
Dual core:
89W for some Athlon 64 X2, 110W for others, depending on revision and
speed.
89W for Athlon 64 X2 with virtualization support
65W for Athlon 64 X2 EE (energy efficient models)
35W for Athlon 64 X2 3800+ EE SF (small form factor model)
110W for Athlon 64 FX60
125W for Athlon 64 FX62
So I would think any of the X2 EE models are a good match for the Core 2
Duo on power consumption vs. permance, while the 3800 EE SF needs a
mobile chip to match it by the looks of it.
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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 4 12:57:30 2006
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 08:57:30 -0400
Subject: Dual core Intel... how hot?
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On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 03:33:11PM -0400, Colin McGregor wrote:
> While the numbers do vary somewhat over time plus
> things vary somewhat between AMD and Intel there is
> something that seems to stay constant. Namely, of
> CURRENT generation CPU chips, the cutting edge has
> about 1.5 - 2 times the performance of the trailing
> edge. Yet, the cutting edge chip will be 4 - 8 times
> the price of the trailing edge chip. In other words
> you pay a MASSIVE premium for a fairly modest
> performance boost.
>
> This explains why ALL of the boxes I have put together
> (starting with a AMD 386SX-25, back a lot of years ago
> :-) ) have been current technology, but near the
> trailing edge of the technology curve.
>
> While I am sure there are a FEW situations where going
> to the cutting edge is cost effective, that doesn't
> apply to 99% + of desktop users.
The thing is, I consider the cost and performance of the whole system
when deciding what parts are worth it. If you are going to spend say
$3000 on the base components of a system, then a $200 cpu that runs half
the speed of a $800 cpu, may still not be a good deal, if you can use
the speed, since the slow system will cost you $3200, while the system
at twice the speed will cost you $3800. It all depends on how much the
other components cost. In a bargain system for $500, upgrading the cpu
is often not cost effective. Mixing high end components into a low end
system generally isn't.
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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 4 13:53:10 2006
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 09:53:10 -0400
Subject: Linux-friendly PCI dialup modem?
In-Reply-To: <20060802234254.GA13205-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
References: <20060730225702.GA12330@waltdnes.org> <20060731161659.GS13640@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20060801211515.GA6950@waltdnes.org> <20060802142453.GU13640@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20060802234254.GA13205@waltdnes.org>
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On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 07:42:54PM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
> It was a USR X2, near the end of the model run. That was fortunate,
> because that meant it was flash-upgradeable.
Was it a sportster, or a courier? Both came in X2 models. I suspect a
sportster, since the courier was always flashable (I got mine about 2
weeks before x2 came out, so I managed to flash it soon after getting it
which made it a 56k rather than the 33.6 it shipped as, and of course a
while later it was flashed to v90).
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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 4 14:01:31 2006
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 10:01:31 -0400
Subject: Linux-friendly PCI dialup modem?
In-Reply-To: <44D1485B.5040208-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
References: <20060730225702.GA12330@waltdnes.org> <20060731161659.GS13640@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20060801211515.GA6950@waltdnes.org> <20060802142453.GU13640@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20060802234254.GA13205@waltdnes.org> <44D1485B.5040208@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <20060804140131.GB13640@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 08:50:35PM -0400, James Knott wrote:
> I bought my USR Courier about 15 years ago. It started life at 14.4K
> and was then upgraded to V.42 56K. It's flashable. I recall
> downloading and installing the various "almost" V.42 updates. I also
> received a free upgrade daughter board. I still have that modem
> connected to my computer, but rarely use it these days.
Those modems had some serious overkill. I believe the flash chip is
512KB, and they have quite a lot of ram too, and the DSP is either 20 or
25MHz depending on the model (probably slower back on the 14.4 models
before they were upgraded). Modular circuit board to allow upgrading
just the components that had to be upgraded for new features.
I remember one modem test I read many years ago when 56k modems had just
started taking off, and the v.everything had the highest throughput
(many other modems didn't have the processing power to actually do full
v.42bis compression at full speed doing full duplex, the courier did),
and when they simulated various line problems, including bad satelite
links, the courier had the highest connect speed, and was the only modem
that didn't drop the line on the worst tests (short of actually cutting
the line). This only worked that well when it was two couriers
connected to each other of course, although even between brands, a
courier would often do better with another modem, than the other modem
would together with another of the same model. ISPs loved them (except
the cost I imagine), but at least they were reliable which helped
justify the cost.
Now whatever happened to the HST protocol? :)
> p.s I bought that modem from Canada Remote Systems (anyone remember
> them?), for a few hundred $.
I downloaded SLS 1.03 from there back in 93. Took forever at 2400.
I remember they used to have piles of couriers before switching to
digital lines with USR Total Control Hubs.
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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 4 14:11:55 2006
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 10:11:55 -0400
Subject: ADSL modem VPI/VCI settings for Cybersurf/3Web in Ontario?
In-Reply-To: <20060803024330.GB13205-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
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Message-ID: <20060804141155.GC13640@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 10:43:30PM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
> I've ordered a replacement combo modem/router from an ebay store. It
> should be here in a week or so. My old unit is so dead that I can't get
> in to view the VPI/VCI settings. Does anybody know for certain what
> they are? Any other Cybersurf/3Web ADSL customers on this list? Can
> you check your settings please?
>
> My searching on Google indicates 0/35 for ADSL in Ontario. The script
> reader at Cybersurf didn't know what I was talking about. His
> supervisor suggested checking on Google, which I had already done.
0/35 is correct for all ADSL around here, since that is what Bell Canada
uses. I think some parts of western canada might be different. The
majority of ISPs in north america use the 0/35 setting though. Of
course many ADSL modems just auto negotiate the setting (or at least try
to, since on most networks there is only traffic on one channel, so you
will find it. On a few networks there is other traffic, in which case
auto might just fail).
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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 4 14:17:39 2006
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 10:17:39 -0400
Subject: OT: Unix computers and some give away
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On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 10:03:45PM -0400, Jeff wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> I have a small collection of unix machines that I would like to give away. I
> have no more storage for them. I prefer to have them all taken away at once.
>
> For your kindness I will give you a Ultra 10 machine.
>
> This is just a list of various items that you will get when you pickup the
> lot.
>
> SGI
> Indy
> Indigo 2 x 3
> Indigo with 1 pair of special keyboard & mouse
> With various cables and accessories
>
> Sun
> Ultra 10
> SPARCstation 2
> SPARCstation 4 x 2
> SPARCstation 5
> SPARCstation 10 x 2
> SPARCstation 20
> Two Sun Monitors (one comes for the Ultra 10)
> With varions cables and accessories, external drives and external cd-rom,
> keyboard & mouse
>
>
> Apple PowerMac 7500 with 300MHz G3 upgrade, 128RAM, etc
>
> DEC
> Multia (shorted) Some parts might be good?
> Two Alpha powered DEC machines
>
> IRIX 6.5.3, 6.2 and 5.3 cd's
>
> Various Solaris and SGI books/guides
>
> You must pickup the items by Friday this week. Or if someone wants to store
> them and then distribute this to fellow TLUG members that would work for me
> too. Please respond to my email first come first serve.
I love old stuff, and would love a few of such machines (I have one
SGI, but no sparcs, alphas or ppcs). Unfortunately my wife would kill
me if I brought that many old machines into the house, and I don't think
I would be able to get that many anyhow.
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From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 4 15:50:43 2006
From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 11:50:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Linux-friendly PCI dialup modem?
In-Reply-To: <20060804140131.GB13640-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
References: <20060804140131.GB13640@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Message-ID: <20060804155043.58378.qmail@web88211.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
--- Lennart Sorensen
wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 08:50:35PM -0400, James
> Knott wrote:
> > p.s I bought that modem from Canada Remote Systems
> (anyone remember
> > them?), for a few hundred $.
>
> I downloaded SLS 1.03 from there back in 93. Took
> forever at 2400.
>
> I remember they used to have piles of couriers
> before switching to
> digital lines with USR Total Control Hubs.
If memory serves (and it has been a few years), CRS
was a Hayes shop. As for Internet Direct (who I used
to work for), they had hundreds of USR Sportster
external modems before going to the Total Control Hubs
(which caused me a great deal of grief. We knew we had
air conditioning problems in the office that housed
the Total Control Hubs, what it took us a while to
understand was just how heat sensitive those units
were... Also explains why I now hate Vivali's "The
Four Seasons" (a basically innocuous bit of classical
music) which USR used to use as their on-hold music (I
heard that way too often and way too long :-( ).
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From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 4 16:17:24 2006
From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 12:17:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Dual core Intel... how hot?
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--- Lennart Sorensen
wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 03:33:11PM -0400, Colin
> McGregor wrote:
> > While the numbers do vary somewhat over time plus
> > things vary somewhat between AMD and Intel there
> is
> > something that seems to stay constant. Namely, of
> > CURRENT generation CPU chips, the cutting edge has
> > about 1.5 - 2 times the performance of the
> trailing
> > edge. Yet, the cutting edge chip will be 4 - 8
> times
> > the price of the trailing edge chip. In other
> words
> > you pay a MASSIVE premium for a fairly modest
> > performance boost.
> >
> > This explains why ALL of the boxes I have put
> together
> > (starting with a AMD 386SX-25, back a lot of years
> ago
> > :-) ) have been current technology, but near the
> > trailing edge of the technology curve.
> >
> > While I am sure there are a FEW situations where
> going
> > to the cutting edge is cost effective, that
> doesn't
> > apply to 99% + of desktop users.
>
> The thing is, I consider the cost and performance of
> the whole system
> when deciding what parts are worth it. If you are
> going to spend say
> $3000 on the base components of a system, then a
> $200 cpu that runs half
> the speed of a $800 cpu, may still not be a good
> deal, if you can use
> the speed, since the slow system will cost you
> $3200, while the system
> at twice the speed will cost you $3800. It all
> depends on how much the
> other components cost. In a bargain system for
> $500, upgrading the cpu
> is often not cost effective. Mixing high end
> components into a low end
> system generally isn't.
One computer magazine columnist 10+ years ago noted,
tongue in cheek, that the PC you want was always about
$5,000 U.S. (i.e.: the box with ALL the high end
goodies). Now, these days I am sure that number has
dropped, even with $500+ video cards, and top of the
line CPUs, etc..
Still, the question comes back to where/when can you
reasonably justify such costs? If you are talking an
engineer doing high end CAD work, where saving say 30
minutes per day at $N per hour, well, the numbers can
be crunched and likely a top of the line CPU (or
CPUs)can be justified over the course of a year (in
which case go as nuts as the numbers justify). On the
other hand a shipping clerk who needs to type up
Fed-Ex shipping labels, well, forget it, a faster CPU
will not make him type any faster, and that will be
the speed bottleneck. In other words for ALMOST all
business applications the sub-$1,000 no-name PC clones
will do just fine.
Likewise, for home use what, besides some games, will
come even close to taxing trailing edge current
generation CPU chips? Again, unless one is doing
something BIZARRE I can not see any need/point in
using a high end CPU/system for home use...
Colin McGregor
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From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 4 16:42:55 2006
From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso)
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 12:42:55 -0400
Subject: Dual core Intel... how hot?
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Message-ID:
Colin McGregor wrote:
> --- Lennart Sorensen
> wrote:
>> On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 03:33:11PM -0400, Colin
>> McGregor wrote:
>>> While the numbers do vary somewhat over time plus
>>> things vary somewhat between AMD and Intel there
>> is
>>> something that seems to stay constant. Namely, of
>>> CURRENT generation CPU chips, the cutting edge has
>>> about 1.5 - 2 times the performance of the
>> trailing
>>> edge. Yet, the cutting edge chip will be 4 - 8
>> times
>>> the price of the trailing edge chip. In other
>> words
>>> you pay a MASSIVE premium for a fairly modest
>>> performance boost.
>>>
>>> This explains why ALL of the boxes I have put
>> together
>>> (starting with a AMD 386SX-25, back a lot of years
>> ago
>>> :-) ) have been current technology, but near the
>>> trailing edge of the technology curve.
>>>
>>> While I am sure there are a FEW situations where
>> going
>>> to the cutting edge is cost effective, that
>> doesn't
>>> apply to 99% + of desktop users.
>> The thing is, I consider the cost and performance of
>> the whole system
>> when deciding what parts are worth it. If you are
>> going to spend say
>> $3000 on the base components of a system, then a
>> $200 cpu that runs half
>> the speed of a $800 cpu, may still not be a good
>> deal, if you can use
>> the speed, since the slow system will cost you
>> $3200, while the system
>> at twice the speed will cost you $3800. It all
>> depends on how much the
>> other components cost. In a bargain system for
>> $500, upgrading the cpu
>> is often not cost effective. Mixing high end
>> components into a low end
>> system generally isn't.
>
> One computer magazine columnist 10+ years ago noted,
> tongue in cheek, that the PC you want was always about
> $5,000 U.S. (i.e.: the box with ALL the high end
> goodies). Now, these days I am sure that number has
> dropped, even with $500+ video cards, and top of the
> line CPUs, etc..
>
> Still, the question comes back to where/when can you
> reasonably justify such costs? If you are talking an
> engineer doing high end CAD work, where saving say 30
> minutes per day at $N per hour, well, the numbers can
> be crunched and likely a top of the line CPU (or
> CPUs)can be justified over the course of a year (in
> which case go as nuts as the numbers justify). On the
> other hand a shipping clerk who needs to type up
> Fed-Ex shipping labels, well, forget it, a faster CPU
> will not make him type any faster, and that will be
> the speed bottleneck. In other words for ALMOST all
> business applications the sub-$1,000 no-name PC clones
> will do just fine.
>
> Likewise, for home use what, besides some games, will
> come even close to taxing trailing edge current
> generation CPU chips? Again, unless one is doing
> something BIZARRE I can not see any need/point in
> using a high end CPU/system for home use...
Why aren't we all driving smart cars and riding motorcycles instead of
Lincoln Navigators, BMW X5s, or Acura MDX's? It's not a matter of what
people need in a computer, because when you think about it, that old 266
can run firefox and thunderbird just fine.
Also that (hypothetical) $5000 266 machine lasted you 7~8 years or more,
which when you think about it, means that the $1000 you'd spend a year
(high estimate i know) keeping your old system up to date with new
processor, ram, hdd's, dvd's etc. adds up to more in the end. It's a
longterm or short term problem, that in the end, comes back to Wall
Street and Bay Street -- marketing and sales, profit margins are all
that matter. If that means selling people a new computer every 3 years
even though they don't need one, then so be it.
I do commend those who are still driving their mid 80s or 90s Toyota and
still hacking on their old Commodore for holding out against the
temptation to condemn that old unit to it's seemingly escaped built in
obsolescence. I haven't purchased a "new" system for years, and I've
never spent more than $500 in a year on new equipment, even with my
shiny amd64 3700+ processor :)
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From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 4 17:10:46 2006
From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott)
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 13:10:46 -0400
Subject: Linux-friendly PCI dialup modem?
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Message-ID: <44D37F96.2030809@rogers.com>
Colin McGregor wrote:
> --- Lennart Sorensen
> wrote:
>> On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 08:50:35PM -0400, James
>> Knott wrote:
>>> p.s I bought that modem from Canada Remote Systems
>> (anyone remember
>>> them?), for a few hundred $.
>> I downloaded SLS 1.03 from there back in 93. Took
>> forever at 2400.
>>
>> I remember they used to have piles of couriers
>> before switching to
>> digital lines with USR Total Control Hubs.
>
> If memory serves (and it has been a few years), CRS
> was a Hayes shop.
CRS had a variety of modem brands, so they could work with all the
various "standards". However, it was the USR Couriers that they were
selling.
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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 4 17:15:51 2006
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 13:15:51 -0400
Subject: Linux-friendly PCI dialup modem?
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Message-ID: <20060804171551.GG13640@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
On Fri, Aug 04, 2006 at 11:50:43AM -0400, Colin McGregor wrote:
> If memory serves (and it has been a few years), CRS
> was a Hayes shop. As for Internet Direct (who I used
> to work for), they had hundreds of USR Sportster
> external modems before going to the Total Control Hubs
> (which caused me a great deal of grief. We knew we had
> air conditioning problems in the office that housed
> the Total Control Hubs, what it took us a while to
> understand was just how heat sensitive those units
> were... Also explains why I now hate Vivali's "The
> Four Seasons" (a basically innocuous bit of classical
> music) which USR used to use as their on-hold music (I
> heard that way too often and way too long :-( ).
Hmm, I may have mixed up the modems of CRS with Netcom Canada. Too many
old companies that don't really do what they used to anymore (or even
exist in some cases).
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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 4 17:18:01 2006
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 13:18:01 -0400
Subject: Dual core Intel... how hot?
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Message-ID: <20060804171801.GH13640@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
On Fri, Aug 04, 2006 at 12:17:24PM -0400, Colin McGregor wrote:
> One computer magazine columnist 10+ years ago noted,
> tongue in cheek, that the PC you want was always about
> $5,000 U.S. (i.e.: the box with ALL the high end
> goodies). Now, these days I am sure that number has
> dropped, even with $500+ video cards, and top of the
> line CPUs, etc..
>
> Still, the question comes back to where/when can you
> reasonably justify such costs? If you are talking an
> engineer doing high end CAD work, where saving say 30
> minutes per day at $N per hour, well, the numbers can
> be crunched and likely a top of the line CPU (or
> CPUs)can be justified over the course of a year (in
> which case go as nuts as the numbers justify). On the
> other hand a shipping clerk who needs to type up
> Fed-Ex shipping labels, well, forget it, a faster CPU
> will not make him type any faster, and that will be
> the speed bottleneck. In other words for ALMOST all
> business applications the sub-$1,000 no-name PC clones
> will do just fine.
The machine for my farther will be a new one to run SolidWorks, so yes
it is CAD. He thinks the Dell 3007 would be a nice monitor for CAD work
too to replace the failing 21" CRT.
> Likewise, for home use what, besides some games, will
> come even close to taxing trailing edge current
> generation CPU chips? Again, unless one is doing
> something BIZARRE I can not see any need/point in
> using a high end CPU/system for home use...
My own machine is an athlon 700, and an athlon 1700+ in the mythtv box.
Plenty for my needs. :)
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From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 4 17:33:05 2006
From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 13:33:05 -0400
Subject: [OT] Finally some payback for Online Scammers
Message-ID: <99a6c38f0608041033h5a5e398fsd47ca5400212f071@mail.gmail.com>
I found this to really fun read. =)
Baiters Teach Scammers A Lesson
"They pilfer nearly $200 million from Americans annually and drive
some of their victims to suicide, but Nigeria's notorious e-mail scam
artists may finally have met their match -- and the results can be
hilarious.
British online vigilante "Shiver Metimbers" is leading tens of
thousands of "scambaiters" in a crusade to shut down advance-fee
fraudsters, grifters who spam unwitting victims with elaborate,
e-mailed sob stories promising a share of nonexistent fortunes in
return for upfront payments.
So-called 419 scams, named after the section of Nigeria's criminal
code that covers the conduct, are the most common type of con; victims
are sometimes left penniless.
But Metimbers and crew turn the tables on scammers one by one,
boomeranging the tricksters' own tactics to entice them into
performing outlandish tasks in desperate pursuit of cash -- then
trumpeting evidence of the con artists' na?vet? for the online world's
amusement."
Full Story at: http://www.wired.com/news/technology/internet/0,71387-0.html
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From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 4 17:51:06 2006
From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 13:51:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [OT] Finally some payback for Online Scammers
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--- Scott Elcomb wrote:
> I found this to really fun read. =)
>
> Baiters Teach Scammers A Lesson
>
> "They pilfer nearly $200 million from Americans
> annually and drive
> some of their victims to suicide, but Nigeria's
> notorious e-mail scam
> artists may finally have met their match -- and the
> results can be
> hilarious.
>
> British online vigilante "Shiver Metimbers" is
> leading tens of
> thousands of "scambaiters" in a crusade to shut down
> advance-fee
> fraudsters, grifters who spam unwitting victims with
> elaborate,
> e-mailed sob stories promising a share of
> nonexistent fortunes in
> return for upfront payments.
>
> So-called 419 scams, named after the section of
> Nigeria's criminal
> code that covers the conduct, are the most common
> type of con; victims
> are sometimes left penniless.
>
> But Metimbers and crew turn the tables on scammers
> one by one,
> boomeranging the tricksters' own tactics to entice
> them into
> performing outlandish tasks in desperate pursuit of
> cash -- then
> trumpeting evidence of the con artists' na?vet? for
> the online world's
> amusement."
>
> Full Story at:
>
http://www.wired.com/news/technology/internet/0,71387-0.html
I am not sure I would have the nerve to try that sort
of thing against a scammer, but I do love reading
about such events... Also here is a story about one
guy who scammed an auction scammer out of a few $$ :
http://easynetworknyc.com/powerbook/
Colin McGregor
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From evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 4 18:13:45 2006
From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch)
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 14:13:45 -0400
Subject: [OT] Finally some payback for Online Scammers
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Scott Elcomb wrote:
> I found this to really fun read. =)
>
> Full Story at:
> http://www.wired.com/news/technology/internet/0,71387-0.html
Better still, go right to the source and read some of the first-hand
exploits of Mr. Metimbers at www.419eater.com
I've been following it off and on for a while, and I have some favourite
scenarios:
http://www.419eater.com/html/moses_hand.htm
http://forum.419eater.com/john_boko.htm
http://www.419eater.com/html/bandofdavid.htm
http://www.419eater.com/html/george.htm
Have a listen to some of the recorded phone conversations too...
- Evan
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From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 4 20:47:43 2006
From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso)
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 16:47:43 -0400
Subject: [OT] Finally some payback for Online Scammers
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Message-ID: <44D3B26F.5050204@utoronto.ca>
Evan Leibovitch wrote:
> Scott Elcomb wrote:
>
>> I found this to really fun read. =)
>>
>> Full Story at:
>> http://www.wired.com/news/technology/internet/0,71387-0.html
>
> Better still, go right to the source and read some of the first-hand
> exploits of Mr. Metimbers at www.419eater.com
>
The BBC posted this article on it:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/3887493.stm
I think Scotland Yard actually came out at one point a few years ago and
told UK citizens to stop scamming the scammers as the "vigilantes" were
being a little too effective and violating some law or another. I can't
remember the details, but I think As it Happens did an interview with
someone from Scotland Yard dealing with just this topic and people like
Shiver Metinbers.
The RCMP have had a dedicated page for reporting these emails for years:
http://www.rcmp.ca/scams/west_african_e.htm
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From rickl-ZACYGPecefkm4kRHVhTciCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Fri Aug 4 22:50:52 2006
From: rickl-ZACYGPecefkm4kRHVhTciCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Rick Tomaschuk)
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 18:50:52 -0400
Subject: the supermarket will be a supermarket from now on.
In-Reply-To:
References:
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The Register ... Touching on a broad gamut of competitors and markets,
Turner summed up: "We must out run, out think and out execute our
competition every day blah, blah, blah... we won't let them steal food
from our plates...blah, blah, blah.....we have entitlement....blah,
blah, blah...blah, blah, blah......
Create companies which compete in the business world using *nix which
neither require nor want their crap software. Build *nix skills. Just go
about your business and ignore them. They are irrelevant.
RickT
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On Fri, 2006-07-28 at 21:55 +0300, Peter wrote:
> And it will not be outhustled. The eula will be shorter but more
> expensive. Pity, that was the only well-engineered part in their
> products imho. Worded exactly like the GPL, but does not allow users to
> keep anything, and it allows them to keep the money.
>
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/07/27/microsoft_coo_art_of_selling/
>
> Peter
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From be_a_sport-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Aug 5 03:58:16 2006
From: be_a_sport-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Kush)
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 23:58:16 -0400
Subject: [Fwd: RE: [TORONTO] for those who need help in technology related
matters in Toronto]
Message-ID: <44D41758.60104@rogers.com>
There is a politically related guy who is pushing microsoft stuff at
this yahoogroup. Can you give me any URLs related to open source sites
so that I can counter him? Most of techsoup.org softwares are Microsoft
related types.
Kush
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: [TORONTO] for those who need help in technology related
matters in Toronto
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 21:28:59 -0400
From: Advisor
Reply-To: MEGACITY-TORONTO-hHKSG33TihgD7/nhltJ10Q at public.gmane.org
To:
For non profit's in Canada the following website is a great resource.
Reduced pricing in software and hardware.
http://www.techsoup.org/stock/default.asp?visit=1
www.techsoup.org
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*Subject:* [TORONTO] for those who need help in technology related
matters in Toronto
For small business owners, schools, colleges and even large
organizations including government and non profits in Toronto, pls know
that most types of software's are becoming free and better and Toronto
seems to have a lot of business savvy tech people now.
http://www.torontonui.ca/
www.tlug.ca
www.ubuntu.ca
www.cluecan.ca
www.trug.ca
www.taug.ca
www.openschools.ca
http://debian.yorku.ca
www.telly.org
and sites like www.blender.org etc www.opensource.org www.sourceforge.net
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From: ican-rZHaEmXdJNJWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (bob)
Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 07:11:06 -0400
Subject: why I fear open source can't win the war
Message-ID: <200608050711.06195.ican@netrover.com>
My inlaws purchased a new computer which came with XP preinstalled. The shop
also configured the Sympatico dialup Internet and Outlook email. The whole
system worked for a week or so.
Being the security conscious son-in-law, I took it upon myself suggest a safe
computing strategy: OFT (OO, Firefox, Thunderbird). Armed with my copy of
The Open CD, I was invited to install OFT (OO, Firefox, Thunderbird) on
their box.
That is when everything stopped working.
The first problem was a "known" or at least an anticipated one. Sympatico was
in the process of "upgrading" all their customers to their new "hm" (Hot
Mail) oursourced servers. From my previous experience with OFT on my
mother's computer, my brother's computer and local forums on the Net I knew
that Thunderbird (and possibly Norton) + Sympatico hm simply do not work.
(My mother had to switch providers, my brother went back to Outlook).
The solution was to switch to the local Cambridge ISP: Sentex ... which was
known to work with Thunderbird.
Of course when my inlaws call Sentex tech support to get the new dialup setup
they give them the standard line "we only support Outlook email". Nonsense
I say, Thunderbird will work. After a quick visit, sure enough
Thunderbird is indeed sending and receiving email.
However, now the dialup is cutting out after a few minutes online with
Firefox. Sentex tech support cannot pin the problem to anything in their
logs.
In frustration my in-laws go back to the computer shop and have everything
reinstalled.
Now Sentex dials correctly, Outlook email works, no timeouts on IE.
However, needless to say my "credibility" on the subject of safe computing
is significantly diminished. (Memo to self: don't volunteer to sys admin for
family). That is until my in-laws encounter their first major worm, virus
and/or spyware infection ...
This tale bothers me on a number of fronts.
a) that a major national provider can hook up with a convicted monopolist to
"ensure" that standard email software doesn't function
b) that some obscure "bug" may exist in the combination of OO, Firefox,
Thunderbird, The Open CD, Windows XP home, Norton that renders dialup
"useless" ... and more importantly that the effort to sort this out will mean
that it likely will remain a bug
c) that problems like a) and b) are what will ultimately prevent open source
software from ever reaching the mainstream home user
bob
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From mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Aug 5 13:36:04 2006
From: mike.kallies-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Mike Kallies)
Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 09:36:04 -0400
Subject: why I fear open source can't win the war
In-Reply-To: <200608050711.06195.ican-rZHaEmXdJNJWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
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Message-ID: <92ee967a0608050636n71670007u74a2a66a5a794088@mail.gmail.com>
On 8/5/06, bob wrote:
...
> This tale bothers me on a number of fronts.
>
> a) that a major national provider can hook up with a convicted monopolist to
> "ensure" that standard email software doesn't function
>
> b) that some obscure "bug" may exist in the combination of OO, Firefox,
> Thunderbird, The Open CD, Windows XP home, Norton that renders dialup
> "useless" ... and more importantly that the effort to sort this out will mean
> that it likely will remain a bug
>
> c) that problems like a) and b) are what will ultimately prevent open source
> software from ever reaching the mainstream home user
...
If I understand correctly though, you just described how a partnership
with MSN cost Sympatico a customer.
I installed Firefox on a machine which I gave to my parents. I hid IE
as best I could and gave them a restricted account on the machine.
It's just a Win2k system.
The worst which has happened so far was my father trying to order
tickets through AirCanada and being told by an automated message to
upgrade his browser. They wanted something which would support
ActiveX.
I told him that the computer was set up to be robust and relatively
easy to use while requiring minimal fidgeting and customizing. Air
Canada doesn't respect that.
He was happy with that answer.
The machine has OO and uses dial up too. It hasn't been a problem at
all. Although I'll have to go look at it to see how many worms,
viruses and trojans it has picked up :-)
Microsoft seems to recognize that between personal firewalls,
antivirus, antispam and system updates, MacOS or Linux are becoming
more and more attractive to their userbase. Microsoft has been
losing quite a few battles as of late.
-Mike
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From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sat Aug 5 13:41:05 2006
From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso)
Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 09:41:05 -0400
Subject: why I fear open source can't win the war
In-Reply-To: <200608050711.06195.ican-rZHaEmXdJNJWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
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Message-ID:
bob wrote:
> My inlaws purchased a new computer which came with XP preinstalled. The shop
> also configured the Sympatico dialup Internet and Outlook email. The whole
> system worked for a week or so.
>
> Being the security conscious son-in-law, I took it upon myself suggest a safe
> computing strategy: OFT (OO, Firefox, Thunderbird). Armed with my copy of
> The Open CD, I was invited to install OFT (OO, Firefox, Thunderbird) on
> their box.
>
> That is when everything stopped working.
>
> The first problem was a "known" or at least an anticipated one. Sympatico was
> in the process of "upgrading" all their customers to their new "hm" (Hot
> Mail) oursourced servers. From my previous experience with OFT on my
> mother's computer, my brother's computer and local forums on the Net I knew
> that Thunderbird (and possibly Norton) + Sympatico hm simply do not work.
> (My mother had to switch providers, my brother went back to Outlook).
Two things: you can use (as I do) sympatico's other smtp servers. try
smtp1 and smtp8.sympatico.ca -- I think both of those work in Ontario
with your b1 userid (not your user-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org login). Second, Norton
will work with Sympatico and any email program if you disable the email
monitoring portion. It sounds bad, but as long as you have the rest of
norton configured to protect the filesystem, nothing will get through
that norton wouldn't normally allow through.
> The solution was to switch to the local Cambridge ISP: Sentex ... which was
> known to work with Thunderbird.
>
> Of course when my inlaws call Sentex tech support to get the new dialup setup
> they give them the standard line "we only support Outlook email". Nonsense
> I say, Thunderbird will work. After a quick visit, sure enough
> Thunderbird is indeed sending and receiving email.
If they tried calling Sympatico r.e. Thunderbird they'd get the same
line. They are still with Sentex? At least if they are you've got them
on a local ISP, there's something to be said for that (waiting for my
contract to end so I ca switch).
> However, now the dialup is cutting out after a few minutes online with
> Firefox. Sentex tech support cannot pin the problem to anything in their
> logs.
>
> In frustration my in-laws go back to the computer shop and have everything
> reinstalled.
>
> Now Sentex dials correctly, Outlook email works, no timeouts on IE.
> However, needless to say my "credibility" on the subject of safe computing
> is significantly diminished. (Memo to self: don't volunteer to sys admin for
> family). That is until my in-laws encounter their first major worm, virus
> and/or spyware infection ...
>
> This tale bothers me on a number of fronts.
>
> a) that a major national provider can hook up with a convicted monopolist to
> "ensure" that standard email software doesn't function
Rogers has the same sort of deal with Yahoo. Synergy...
> b) that some obscure "bug" may exist in the combination of OO, Firefox,
> Thunderbird, The Open CD, Windows XP home, Norton that renders dialup
> "useless" ... and more importantly that the effort to sort this out will mean
> that it likely will remain a bug
Not sure of this one, but perhaps a home router might help? I'd imagine
that PPPoe and Norton would be the biggest problem, with the router at
least they'd have a little more of a hardware firewall and a nice stable
(read not looked after by Windows) connection. Are they only on dialup
or on DSL with dialup as their alternate system?
> c) that problems like a) and b) are what will ultimately prevent open source
> software from ever reaching the mainstream home user
>
>
> bob
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From pw.armstrong-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sat Aug 5 14:06:17 2006
From: pw.armstrong-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (PW Armstrong)
Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 10:06:17 -0400
Subject: anyone ever run starry night or open-source equivalent on linux?
In-Reply-To: <200608050711.06195.ican-rZHaEmXdJNJWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
References: <200608050711.06195.ican@netrover.com>
Message-ID: <44D4A5D9.4000702@gmail.com>
anyone ever run starry night or open-source equivalent on linux?
http://www.starrynight.com/
-peter
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From skrishnan-PeCUgM4zDv73fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org Sat Aug 5 14:25:34 2006
From: skrishnan-PeCUgM4zDv73fQ9qLvQP4Q at public.gmane.org (Srinivasan Krishnan)
Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 10:25:34 -0400
Subject: why I fear open source can't win the war
In-Reply-To: <200608050711.06195.ican-rZHaEmXdJNJWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
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Message-ID: <1154787934.1633.27.camel@ambipapa>
> This tale bothers me on a number of fronts.
>
> a) that a major national provider can hook up with a convicted monopolist to
> "ensure" that standard email software doesn't function
>
You don't know the half of it. My workplace had a routed Bell internet
line with a /28 subnet, which we used to host our web and mail servers,
all running Linux. A few months ago, I noticed a huge speed drop on the
line, and called Bell tech support (their enterprise support, not
Sympatico). I explained my problem to the support rep, and also told
him that the line had worked fine since 2003.
The response I got was: we need to test your line. Please take all your
computers off of it, and hook up a single Windows PC to it for testing.
When I asked why, he responded that he wanted to make sure that none of
our servers had a virus that was creating network traffic, thus using up
available bandwidth. I explained very politely that we had live web and
mail servers connected to the line, and that I could not possibly take
them down. I also explained that (a) all our servers ran Linux and were
tightly secured, so the possibility of a virus or rootkit (he did not
know what that meant) were extremely low, (b) that I had checked each
box and sniffed outgoing traffic on each system with netstat and tcpdump
(again, the support rep did not know what these were) in any case, just
to make sure, and (c) we did not have *any* Windows system connected, so
there was almost no chance of malware tying up the bandwidth and slowing
things down.
Well, the gentleman from Bell would have none of it. He asked me if I
knew what I was talking about and said that Linux was as suceptible to
virii as Windows, and that it was probably a "Linux virus" that was
causing the problem. No amount of arguing or explanation worked, and I
finally asked to speak to his supervisor. That worthy was no better,
and said that we had to do what tech support had demanded, in order to
debug the line. Ultimately I told him we would have to shift critical
systems to our backup line, that it would take a day or so to do it, and
would they please check their connectivity and the local loop in the
meantime.
The line was fixed in a few hours after that. I did not have to do
anything, so it was something on their end that was causing the problem.
The message I got from this incident was that Bell seemed to be going
out of their way to be Linux unfriendly. As a result, I have now
shifted to an MCI T1. The bandwidth is great for uplink, their support
is awesome in terms of quality as well as response time, and their
pricing is not all that much higher (significantly lower than Bell's T1
pricing, incidentally).
If you're running Linux and use Bell for internet connectivity, caveat
emptor!
Cheers,
Krishnan
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From mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Aug 5 14:28:11 2006
From: mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (John McGregor)
Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 10:28:11 -0400
Subject: Sympatico + Norton + OFT
Message-ID: <44D4AAFB.4030206@rogers.com>
Its been my experience that the various Norton products do no work well
/ at all with Win XP and can be the root cause of major problems over
and above sending / receiving email.. When a client presents me with a
new PC, the first thing I do is to look for Norton Antivirus / Internet
Security and then uninstall it. I replace it with the free version of
AVG Antivirus:
http://free.grisoft.com/doc/avg-anti-virus-free/lng/us/tpl/v5
and the free version of Zone Alarm.
Thunderbird will work with Sympatico's new servers if you select the
'use TLS, if available' security option for both incoming and outgoing
connections.
A far better option, of course, is to switch them to Linux at the
earliest possible convenience.
HTH
John
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From mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Aug 5 15:03:03 2006
From: mr.mcgregor-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (John McGregor)
Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 11:03:03 -0400
Subject: Starry Night
Message-ID: <44D4B327.3010205@rogers.com>
try Celestia:
http://www.shatters.net/celestia/download.html
HTH
John
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From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Aug 5 18:07:35 2006
From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott)
Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 14:07:35 -0400
Subject: why I fear open source can't win the war
In-Reply-To:
References: <200608050711.06195.ican@netrover.com>
Message-ID: <44D4DE67.7060009@rogers.com>
Jamon Camisso wrote:
>> a) that a major national provider can hook up with a convicted
>> monopolist to "ensure" that standard email software doesn't function
>
> Rogers has the same sort of deal with Yahoo. Synergy...
Rogers works fine for me. I use fetchmail to download email to my IMAP
server and standard SMTP for sending. I can also access their POP
server with MOzilla etc.
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From rickl-ZACYGPecefkm4kRHVhTciCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Sat Aug 5 22:30:41 2006
From: rickl-ZACYGPecefkm4kRHVhTciCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Rick Tomaschuk)
Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 18:30:41 -0400
Subject: why I fear open source can't win the war
In-Reply-To: <1154787934.1633.27.camel@ambipapa>
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<1154787934.1633.27.camel@ambipapa>
Message-ID: <1154817041.9335.22.camel@spot1.localhost.com>
A simple router is all that is required to maintain a connection with
Rogers or Bell...not a window$ machine. I had a similar blow up with
Rogers last year as I have a Win98 hard drive ready to boot at all times
and proved them wrong in a flash and then poked and prodded them about
window$ vs Linux. I got the tech to admit that there was no problem at
my end but rather they had been upgrading their equipment and this led
to my connectivity problem. You should explain to Bell tech that if they
are not qualified to assess the problem they should look for employment
elsewhere and that as a customer you have the right to run what ever
software you please. If they say they don't support Linux tell them they
are stupid and don't know what they are talking about then ask for the
next supervisor up the chain till you get results. Sometimes just
suggesting that you want to talk to a supervisor gets them to move
faster. Educate these a_holes. Micro$oft is only relevant to non-tech
types. Anyone in the know about basic computer operating systems is
aware that business tasks can be done with a PIII running anything
except window$. There is no 'war'. What we have is a self image problem
in that (Linux/Unix) techs feel worthless unless the daily paper is
plastered with ads promoting their favorite operating system. How many
ads to you see about basic toothbrushes? or automotive engine pistons?
or fuel injectors? or copper wire? or the brand of plastic used to make
a toilet seat? or the milk used to make ice cream? or ..... Start a
business, however small and use only software you want to support your
product/service offering.
RickT
http://www.TorontoNUI.ca
On Sat, 2006-08-05 at 10:25 -0400, Srinivasan Krishnan wrote:
> > This tale bothers me on a number of fronts.
> >
> > a) that a major national provider can hook up with a convicted monopolist to
> > "ensure" that standard email software doesn't function
> >
>
> You don't know the half of it. My workplace had a routed Bell internet
> line with a /28 subnet, which we used to host our web and mail servers,
> all running Linux. A few months ago, I noticed a huge speed drop on the
> line, and called Bell tech support (their enterprise support, not
> Sympatico). I explained my problem to the support rep, and also told
> him that the line had worked fine since 2003.
>
> The response I got was: we need to test your line. Please take all your
> computers off of it, and hook up a single Windows PC to it for testing.
> When I asked why, he responded that he wanted to make sure that none of
> our servers had a virus that was creating network traffic, thus using up
> available bandwidth. I explained very politely that we had live web and
> mail servers connected to the line, and that I could not possibly take
> them down. I also explained that (a) all our servers ran Linux and were
> tightly secured, so the possibility of a virus or rootkit (he did not
> know what that meant) were extremely low, (b) that I had checked each
> box and sniffed outgoing traffic on each system with netstat and tcpdump
> (again, the support rep did not know what these were) in any case, just
> to make sure, and (c) we did not have *any* Windows system connected, so
> there was almost no chance of malware tying up the bandwidth and slowing
> things down.
>
> Well, the gentleman from Bell would have none of it. He asked me if I
> knew what I was talking about and said that Linux was as suceptible to
> virii as Windows, and that it was probably a "Linux virus" that was
> causing the problem. No amount of arguing or explanation worked, and I
> finally asked to speak to his supervisor. That worthy was no better,
> and said that we had to do what tech support had demanded, in order to
> debug the line. Ultimately I told him we would have to shift critical
> systems to our backup line, that it would take a day or so to do it, and
> would they please check their connectivity and the local loop in the
> meantime.
>
> The line was fixed in a few hours after that. I did not have to do
> anything, so it was something on their end that was causing the problem.
>
> The message I got from this incident was that Bell seemed to be going
> out of their way to be Linux unfriendly. As a result, I have now
> shifted to an MCI T1. The bandwidth is great for uplink, their support
> is awesome in terms of quality as well as response time, and their
> pricing is not all that much higher (significantly lower than Bell's T1
> pricing, incidentally).
>
> If you're running Linux and use Bell for internet connectivity, caveat
> emptor!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Krishnan
>
>
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From be_a_sport-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Aug 5 23:38:49 2006
From: be_a_sport-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Kush)
Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 19:38:49 -0400
Subject: why I fear open source can't win the war
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Message-ID: <44D52C09.30608@rogers.com>
Though IBM and others seem to back linux, yet when one goes to buy
branded laptops, even IBM is selling windows xp preinstalled. Not to
mention sony, hp, dell etc and the others.
I went with a friend to a computer shop to look at some of the laptops
and the sales assistants were not ready to uninstall XP from the IBM
machines and take off its cost from the sales price.
Why are these companies paying only lip service to backing linux and
what can be done? Is the problem unique to Canada or is it prevalent in
the US also where I believe there is much more competition and consumer
choice?
Kush
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From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sat Aug 5 23:47:01 2006
From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott)
Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 19:47:01 -0400
Subject: why I fear open source can't win the war
In-Reply-To: <44D52C09.30608-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
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Message-ID: <44D52DF5.8040804@rogers.com>
Kush wrote:
> Though IBM and others seem to back linux, yet when one goes to buy
> branded laptops, even IBM is selling windows xp preinstalled. Not to
> mention sony, hp, dell etc and the others.
http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS7778908329.html
BTW, IBM got out of the desktop/notebook computer business about a year ago.
>
> I went with a friend to a computer shop to look at some of the laptops
> and the sales assistants were not ready to uninstall XP from the IBM
> machines and take off its cost from the sales price.
Would you expect to go into the same computer store and have the clerk
remove the DVD drive and reduce the price?
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From zleap-Tp5KeRqLOeNeoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org Sat Aug 5 23:41:36 2006
From: zleap-Tp5KeRqLOeNeoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org (Paul Sutton)
Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 19:41:36 -0400
Subject: why I fear open source can't win the war
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acer are selling laptops pre installed with Linux,
Paul
Kush wrote:
> Though IBM and others seem to back linux, yet when one goes to buy
> branded laptops, even IBM is selling windows xp preinstalled. Not to
> mention sony, hp, dell etc and the others.
>
> I went with a friend to a computer shop to look at some of the laptops
> and the sales assistants were not ready to uninstall XP from the IBM
> machines and take off its cost from the sales price.
>
> Why are these companies paying only lip service to backing linux and
> what can be done? Is the problem unique to Canada or is it prevalent in
> the US also where I believe there is much more competition and consumer
> choice?
>
> Kush
>
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From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Aug 6 00:06:45 2006
From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso)
Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 20:06:45 -0400
Subject: why I fear open source can't win the war
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Kush wrote:
> Though IBM and others seem to back linux, yet when one goes to buy
> branded laptops, even IBM is selling windows xp preinstalled. Not to
> mention sony, hp, dell etc and the others.
>
> I went with a friend to a computer shop to look at some of the laptops
> and the sales assistants were not ready to uninstall XP from the IBM
> machines and take off its cost from the sales price.
Buying from stores at College and Spadina, no XP preloaded. For the same
price as the Lenovo unit, you can customize your barebones chassis,
purchase manufacturer's extended warranty, and still end up cheaper than
purchasing a unit from Lenovo or a large(r) computer shop who won't
remove Windows. Have you considered purchasing a unit, disagreeing with
the license and taking it back to the store? If you make enough of a
fuss there isn't much they can do but give you your money back. Better
to buy at a smaller shop though -- support the locals :)
> Why are these companies paying only lip service to backing linux and
> what can be done? Is the problem unique to Canada or is it prevalent in
> the US also where I believe there is much more competition and consumer
> choice?
Walmart sells Linux on laptops, so there is some penetration there I
think, not much I'd imagine.
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From be_a_sport-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Aug 6 00:11:58 2006
From: be_a_sport-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Kush)
Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 20:11:58 -0400
Subject: why I fear open source can't win the war
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Jamon Camisso wrote:
> Walmart sells Linux on laptops, so there is some penetration there I
> think, not much I'd imagine.
> --
>
Walmart does not sell linux laptops/desktops in Canada but in the US, I
believe. I had seen their websites a few months back and there was a big
difference between what they sell here in Ca and in the uS.
Kush
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From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Aug 6 00:13:48 2006
From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott)
Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 20:13:48 -0400
Subject: why I fear open source can't win the war
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Paul Sutton wrote:
> acer are selling laptops pre installed with Linux,
Here's a company that sells notebook computers with Linux or no OS for
less than the same computer with Windows. They're local too.
http://www.angelcomputer.com
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From be_a_sport-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Aug 6 00:19:22 2006
From: be_a_sport-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Kush)
Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 20:19:22 -0400
Subject: why I fear open source can't win the war
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James Knott wrote:
> Kush wrote:
>
>> Though IBM and others seem to back linux, yet when one goes to buy
>> branded laptops, even IBM is selling windows xp preinstalled. Not to
>> mention sony, hp, dell etc and the others.
>>
>
> http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS7778908329.html
>
This is some news but will it happen in Toronto is the key question.
Here we don't generally see Lenovo computers but more of IBM.
> BTW, IBM got out of the desktop/notebook computer business about a year ago.
>
>
>> I went with a friend to a computer shop to look at some of the laptops
>> and the sales assistants were not ready to uninstall XP from the IBM
>> machines and take off its cost from the sales price.
>>
>
> Would you expect to go into the same computer store and have the clerk
> remove the DVD drive and reduce the price?
>
>
>
Maybe the clerk would be more customer oriented if there was competition
in the market (like the US) and more people knew or asked for what they
wanted. At present this place looks to be a sellers market where the
sellers have an attitude--take it or leave it.
Kush
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Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 20:20:27 -0400
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James Knott wrote:
> Paul Sutton wrote:
>
>> acer are selling laptops pre installed with Linux,
>>
>
> Here's a company that sells notebook computers with Linux or no OS for
> less than the same computer with Windows. They're local too.
>
> http://www.angelcomputer.com
>
>
Thanks
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From: be_a_sport-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Kush)
Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 20:21:29 -0400
Subject: why I fear open source can't win the war
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Paul Sutton wrote:
> acer are selling laptops pre installed with Linux,
>
>
> Paul
Thanks for the info.
Kush
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From zleap-Tp5KeRqLOeNeoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org Sun Aug 6 00:17:45 2006
From: zleap-Tp5KeRqLOeNeoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org (Paul Sutton)
Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 20:17:45 -0400
Subject: debian install can anyone help please,
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Hi
I know this is short notice but does anyone have a copy of debian or
kanotix (debian sid based), that they could drop over to the global
village backpackers between now and monday evening please.
I have a laptop, it's just a basic ibm thinkpad with windows 98, which
is great for mail etc, however I want to update my website and perhaps
the one for the rugby club and it would really help to have Linux for that.
I seem to have a 15 gb hdd, 12 gb free space so thats should be plenty,
I am a bit concerned however about deleting the doze partition
completly as I would have to back up the drivers in case I need to put
windows back on for what ever reason, it's good to have dual boot
sometimes anyway.
the backpackers hostel is at 460 king street, on the junction of king
and spadina, i have some blank cd's here so if you bring one over you
can have a blank one to replace the one you used.
sorry it's short notice but I have to be back at summer camp on tuesday
and the bus leaves from yorkdale at 7:30, so that only leaves sunday
and monday to get hold of something,
what I intend to do is dual boot, if everything works then I have no
real need for windows, but I can't risk not having something work, I
think the wireless network card should be ok (SMC), any one had any
experince with this.
thanks
paul
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From be_a_sport-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Aug 6 00:28:34 2006
From: be_a_sport-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Kush)
Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 20:28:34 -0400
Subject: why I fear open source can't win the war
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Jamon Camisso wrote:
> Better
> to buy at a smaller shop though -- support the locals :)
>
>
One would buy from the locals if there was some way to rate them. I saw
www.torontopcstores.com but its hardly used as the local better business
bureau for the computer/tech market. Maybe there are other competing
sites I have no idea of.
Nobody has ever done a requirement specifications for what a customer
wants in a site which evaluates and monitors a particular industry and
is the defacto local BBB.
Kush
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From be_a_sport-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Aug 6 00:35:52 2006
From: be_a_sport-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Kush)
Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 20:35:52 -0400
Subject: debian install can anyone help please,
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Is your problem that of making a CD because of
a lack of a good net connection ?
or lack of a cd/dvd writer?
I could pass on a debian/kanotix CD if you let me know which Exact
version you want. But the delivery will only be tomorrow as tonight will
go in downloading the iso from the net if you let me know soon.
Kush
Paul Sutton wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> I know this is short notice but does anyone have a copy of debian or
> kanotix (debian sid based), that they could drop over to the global
> village backpackers between now and monday evening please.
>
> I have a laptop, it's just a basic ibm thinkpad with windows 98,
> which is great for mail etc, however I want to update my website and
> perhaps the one for the rugby club and it would really help to have
> Linux for that.
>
> I seem to have a 15 gb hdd, 12 gb free space so thats should be
> plenty, I am a bit concerned however about deleting the doze
> partition completly as I would have to back up the drivers in case I
> need to put windows back on for what ever reason, it's good to have
> dual boot sometimes anyway.
>
> the backpackers hostel is at 460 king street, on the junction of king
> and spadina, i have some blank cd's here so if you bring one over you
> can have a blank one to replace the one you used.
>
> sorry it's short notice but I have to be back at summer camp on
> tuesday and the bus leaves from yorkdale at 7:30, so that only leaves
> sunday and monday to get hold of something,
>
> what I intend to do is dual boot, if everything works then I have no
> real need for windows, but I can't risk not having something work, I
> think the wireless network card should be ok (SMC), any one had any
> experince with this.
>
>
> thanks
>
> paul
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From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Aug 6 01:08:21 2006
From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso)
Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 21:08:21 -0400
Subject: why I fear open source can't win the war
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Kush wrote:
> Jamon Camisso wrote:
>> Better
>> to buy at a smaller shop though -- support the locals :)
>>
>>
> One would buy from the locals if there was some way to rate them. I saw
> www.torontopcstores.com but its hardly used as the local better business
> bureau for the computer/tech market. Maybe there are other competing
> sites I have no idea of.
>
> Nobody has ever done a requirement specifications for what a customer
> wants in a site which evaluates and monitors a particular industry and
> is the defacto local BBB.
There are about 5 stores in the area that I frequent. In no particular
order:
Filtech (SE corner on spadina at college)
Alpha Plus (SW corner on college at spadina)
Sonnam (NE corner on spadina at college)
Canada Computers (N side of college about 1.5 blocks west of bathurst).
There's one other that I only know by sight, either Fortune (which I
doubt) or COMing computers. I can't remember. I've also visited
PC4Canada just south of Filtech and met with excellent service and prices.
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From phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org Sun Aug 6 01:12:16 2006
From: phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org (phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org)
Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 21:12:16 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: why I fear open source can't win the war
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> Canada Computers (N side of college about 1.5 blocks west of bathurst).
^^^^ east
or
> Canada Computers (N side of college about 1.5 blocks west of bathurst)
Spadina
^^^^^^^^
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From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Aug 6 01:21:15 2006
From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso)
Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 21:21:15 -0400
Subject: why I fear open source can't win the war
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phiscock-g851W1bGYuGnS0EtXVNi6w at public.gmane.org wrote:
>> Canada Computers (N side of college about 1.5 blocks west of bathurst).
> ^^^^ east
> or
>
>> Canada Computers (N side of college about 1.5 blocks west of bathurst)
> Spadina
> ^^^^^^^^
Right, their move from Augusta to the other side of the street got me
very confused there. They are at Brunswick and College on the north
side, pretty much directly between Bathurst and Spadina.
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From hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Aug 6 02:48:20 2006
From: hugh-pmF8o41NoarQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (D. Hugh Redelmeier)
Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 22:48:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Dual core Intel... how hot?
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| From: Lennart Sorensen
| On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 02:48:14PM -0400, William Park wrote:
| > Thanks Lennart. Is Core 2 Duo cooler than current AMD 64?
|
| Depends on the model of Athlon 64.
Thanks for all those figures. I am guessing that they are the
"thermal design power" ("TDP") figures for each chip.
One problem with TDP is that AMD and Intel specify them differently.
In particular, AMD's TDP is the most power that a chip can use when
the "inputs" are within spec. Intel's TDP is a nice
high-but-not-worst-case number; they demand you throttle when the
temperature gets too high. So Intel's numbers appear lower.
This article is quite interesting:
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article169-page3.html
I found this from
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_Design_Power
BTW, speed throttling might not be the most rational approach. Given
a fixed amount of computation to perform, full-speed processing
followed by sleep-when-done may be more energy-efficient than
throttled-speed processing followed by less sleep. If sleep can be
entered and exited quickly enough, this may be generalized to
interactive computational loads.
| 62W for 90nm Athlon 64 (new revision with virtualization support)
I didn't realize that this was out already.
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From glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Sun Aug 6 03:32:45 2006
From: glayng-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (Gary Layng)
Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 23:32:45 -0400
Subject: why I fear open source can't win the war
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I find it ironic that we're complaining about not being able to buy computers
with Linux preinstalled, the day after Lenovo, the company that bought IBM's
PC business, announced that they will preload SuSE Linux on one model of
their Thinkpads.
Story here:
http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS7778908329.html
On August 5, 2006 19:38, Kush wrote:
> Though IBM and others seem to back linux, yet when one goes to buy
> branded laptops, even IBM is selling windows xp preinstalled. Not to
> mention sony, hp, dell etc and the others.
>
> I went with a friend to a computer shop to look at some of the laptops
> and the sales assistants were not ready to uninstall XP from the IBM
> machines and take off its cost from the sales price.
>
> Why are these companies paying only lip service to backing linux and
> what can be done? Is the problem unique to Canada or is it prevalent in
> the US also where I believe there is much more competition and consumer
> choice?
>
> Kush
>
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From rob-3Aypa9sX/B7wvR0lvYjcXw at public.gmane.org Sun Aug 6 03:50:46 2006
From: rob-3Aypa9sX/B7wvR0lvYjcXw at public.gmane.org (Rob Sutherland)
Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 23:50:46 -0400
Subject: Open Source MMORPGs
Message-ID: <200608052350.46178.rob@luckdancing.com>
I'm trying to organize a small LAN party and I'm looking for some pointers to
Open Source MMORPGS and other types of networked game/social space MUD/MUSH
type things that are easy to set up and get newbies started on. I'm trying to
get examples of different types of games, from first person shooters through
multi-player strategy games to looser, more socially oriented kinds of
things, so any suggestions are welcome.
Rob
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From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Sun Aug 6 05:15:02 2006
From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 01:15:02 -0400
Subject: Linux-friendly PCI dialup modem?
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On Fri, Aug 04, 2006 at 09:53:10AM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote
> Was it a sportster, or a courier? Both came in X2 models.
"Sportster with X2"
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From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Sun Aug 6 05:53:37 2006
From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 01:53:37 -0400
Subject: My ADSL modem/router revived!
Message-ID: <20060806055337.GC32295@waltdnes.org>
Don't know why, but after a week of vacation, my ADSL modem/router has
come back refreshed and full of zip... sort of like me after a week off.
The one change I noticed is that it's now at 2784/800 kbps down/up,
rather than the previous 3008/800. I remember that IStop restricted me
to approx 2200, because they felt the line quality was marginal for 3
megabits. Cybersurf automatically pushed it to 3008/800 when they took
over IStop's customers.
One of the first things I did was to go to the setup screens and take
screen captures of the parameters. I've already ordered a used Netgear
4-port unit from an ebay store. It's too late to back out now. And the
experience of a week on dialup has convinced me of the need for a backup
ADSL modem... he says as he sits typing and downloading Gentoo updates
and listening to a 64Kbit internet radio station.
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From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Sun Aug 6 08:58:40 2006
From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sy Ali)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 03:58:40 -0500
Subject: Open Source MMORPGs
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Doom/Quake are good for FPS.
I don't know of a decent and finished open source MUD, but there are
some free ones like aardwolf.org which have 400+ players on at any
moment.
Depending on your audience, you could even try things like networked
card games or strategy games.
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From james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Aug 6 11:31:39 2006
From: james.knott-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (James Knott)
Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2006 07:31:39 -0400
Subject: Open Source MMORPGs
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Rob Sutherland wrote:
> I'm trying to organize a small LAN party and I'm looking for some pointers to
You could have a sing along.
"This lan is your lan, this lan is my lan" ;-)
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From colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Sun Aug 6 13:31:56 2006
From: colinmc151-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Colin McGregor)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 09:31:56 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Open Source MMORPGs
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Message-ID: <20060806133156.27641.qmail@web88202.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
--- Rob Sutherland wrote:
> I'm trying to organize a small LAN party and I'm
> looking for some pointers to
> Open Source MMORPGS and other types of networked
> game/social space MUD/MUSH
> type things that are easy to set up and get newbies
> started on. I'm trying to
> get examples of different types of games, from first
> person shooters through
> multi-player strategy games to looser, more socially
> oriented kinds of
> things, so any suggestions are welcome.
I have not tried it yet, but you may want to have a
look at the Cube engines:
www.cubeengine.com
Bottom line, two open source first person shooter
games, Cube 1 is reminisent of Doom 1/2 (psudo-3D
terain), Cube 2 is reminisent of the Quake 1/2 (true
3D terain). Both games have single player and
multi-player modes. Cube 2 is available for Linux, Mac
and Windows.
Colin McGregor
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From zleap-Tp5KeRqLOeNeoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org Sun Aug 6 14:17:50 2006
From: zleap-Tp5KeRqLOeNeoWH0uzbU5w at public.gmane.org (Paul Sutton)
Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2006 10:17:50 -0400
Subject: why I fear open source can't win the war - Linux laptops
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References: <200608050711.06195.ican@netrover.com> <44D52C09.30608@rogers.com> <200608052332.46051.glayng@sympatico.ca>
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Perhaps we could have links on the website to companies that sell
computers with Linux pre-installed, in return for this perhaps those
shops could have flyers for the user group, so new users can then get
in touch and get help if they are new to Linux, ok this would work out
as either free tech support or helping out the community depending on
how you look at things,
if this works, word will spread that a) the support is there and b) the
expertise is out there, and more importantly the community is helpful,
I have a flyer from the computer shop at 298 college street
they have an Acer aspire 3623 NWXNi for $569
Paul
Gary Layng wrote:
> I find it ironic that we're complaining about not being able to buy computers
> with Linux preinstalled, the day after Lenovo, the company that bought IBM's
> PC business, announced that they will preload SuSE Linux on one model of
> their Thinkpads.
>
> Story here:
> http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS7778908329.html
>
> On August 5, 2006 19:38, Kush wrote:
>> Though IBM and others seem to back linux, yet when one goes to buy
>> branded laptops, even IBM is selling windows xp preinstalled. Not to
>> mention sony, hp, dell etc and the others.
>>
>> I went with a friend to a computer shop to look at some of the laptops
>> and the sales assistants were not ready to uninstall XP from the IBM
>> machines and take off its cost from the sales price.
>>
>> Why are these companies paying only lip service to backing linux and
>> what can be done? Is the problem unique to Canada or is it prevalent in
>> the US also where I believe there is much more competition and consumer
>> choice?
>>
>> Kush
>>
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From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Sun Aug 6 21:39:23 2006
From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso)
Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2006 17:39:23 -0400
Subject: OT: 2.5" hdd data recovery
Message-ID:
I've a friend who's Hitachi Travelstar has packed it in after 4 years of
service. Of course he doesn't have a backup. The drive is unrecognized
in both my external USB enclosure and in another laptop, leading me to
believe that something is wrong with the power connection, and/or the
internals themselves.
This in mind then: does anyone on this list do 2.5" physical recovery or
know of anyone who is reasonably priced who does? By reasonable I'm
talking home user prices, not corporate datacenter, globally deployed
swat team recovery experts. I'm talking a maximum of $500 or there is no
recovery. A near impossible request, I know what the larger services
sometimes charge.
A grim situation, so TIA for any contacts of offers to help. I know of
the large companies like CBL and Ontrack of course, google is useful,
but... someone mentioned a downtown company a while ago (last year) that
starts with an R, something like R-Tools, or RT soft? I can't remember,
but they were reasonable and local.
Jamon
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From meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org Mon Aug 7 01:59:47 2006
From: meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org (Meng Cheah)
Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2006 21:59:47 -0400
Subject: OT: Hackers crack new biometric passports
Message-ID: <44D69E93.3040508@pppoe.ca>
*Hackers crack new biometric passports*
*Bobbie Johnson, technology correspondent
Monday August 7, 2006
The Guardian *
Hi-tech biometric passports used by Britain and other countries have
been hacked by a computer expert, throwing into doubt fundamental parts
of the UK's ?415m scheme to load passports with information such as
fingerprints, facial scans and iris patterns.
Speaking at the Defcon security conference in Las Vegas, Lukas Grunwald,
a consultant with a German security company, said he had discovered a
method for cloning the information stored in the new passports. Data can
be transferred onto blank chips, which could then be implanted in fake
passports, a flaw which he said undermined the project.
The revelation also casts another shadow over the government's plan for
a national ID card, which would contain much of the same information.
/More at http://technology.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,1838751,00.html
There is also a link to a 200 page report on ID cards (in pdf)
/
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From dcbour-Uj1Tbf34OBsy5HIR1wJiBuOEVfOsBSGQ at public.gmane.org Mon Aug 7 02:10:41 2006
From: dcbour-Uj1Tbf34OBsy5HIR1wJiBuOEVfOsBSGQ at public.gmane.org (Dave Bour)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 22:10:41 -0400
Subject: OT: 2.5" hdd data recovery
Message-ID: <5F47429283BD2A4C8FF1106E3F27F4730A3262@mse2be2.mse2.exchange.ms>
Jason,
This is one of the things I do regularly.
Give me a call tomorrow in the morning to discuss further. I'm based out of Burlington.
D
Dave Bour
Desktop Solution Center
905.381.0077
dcbour at desktopsolutioncenter.ca
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Giving you complete IT peace of mind.
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From: owner-tlug at ss.org
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Sent: Sun Aug 06 17:39:23 2006
Subject: [TLUG]: OT: 2.5" hdd data recovery
I've a friend who's Hitachi Travelstar has packed it in after 4 years of
service. Of course he doesn't have a backup. The drive is unrecognized
in both my external USB enclosure and in another laptop, leading me to
believe that something is wrong with the power connection, and/or the
internals themselves.
This in mind then: does anyone on this list do 2.5" physical recovery or
know of anyone who is reasonably priced who does? By reasonable I'm
talking home user prices, not corporate datacenter, globally deployed
swat team recovery experts. I'm talking a maximum of $500 or there is no
recovery. A near impossible request, I know what the larger services
sometimes charge.
A grim situation, so TIA for any contacts of offers to help. I know of
the large companies like CBL and Ontrack of course, google is useful,
but... someone mentioned a downtown company a while ago (last year) that
starts with an R, something like R-Tools, or RT soft? I can't remember,
but they were reasonable and local.
Jamon
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Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 22:10:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: OT: 2.5" hdd data recovery
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> I've a friend who's Hitachi Travelstar has packed it in after 4 years of
> service. Of course he doesn't have a backup. The drive is unrecognized
> in both my external USB enclosure and in another laptop, leading me to
> believe that something is wrong with the power connection, and/or the
> internals themselves.
>
If the drive is not being recognized, that might indicate as you say that
the power supply or electronic circuit has failed. If that's the case, you
could find an identical drive and change the electronics board. (I opened
up one failed drive to find a large black hole in one of the IC's. This
suggested that the electronics was fried.)
This might be a suitable course of action if (a) you're desperate (b) you
have very little money (c) you can find the same drive at a reasonable
price (d) you have excellent eyesight and (e) you have the necessary
desoldering tools and expertise.
When I'm put in this situation I insist that my friend ply me with food,
drink and interesting stories while I attempt the electronic surgery.
Peter
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From be_a_sport-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org Mon Aug 7 03:06:47 2006
From: be_a_sport-bJEeYj9oJeDQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org (Kush)
Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2006 23:06:47 -0400
Subject: OT: Hackers crack new biometric passports
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The problem with an information in electronic form is that its very easy
to duplicate and replicate by atleast 4 orders of magnitude once the
security codes are cracked.
Kush
Meng Cheah wrote:
> *Hackers crack new biometric passports*
>
> *Bobbie Johnson, technology correspondent
> Monday August 7, 2006
> The Guardian *
>
> Hi-tech biometric passports used by Britain and other countries have
> been hacked by a computer expert, throwing into doubt fundamental
> parts of the UK's ?415m scheme to load passports with information such
> as fingerprints, facial scans and iris patterns.
>
> Speaking at the Defcon security conference in Las Vegas, Lukas
> Grunwald, a consultant with a German security company, said he had
> discovered a method for cloning the information stored in the new
> passports. Data can be transferred onto blank chips, which could then
> be implanted in fake passports, a flaw which he said undermined the
> project.
>
> The revelation also casts another shadow over the government's plan
> for a national ID card, which would contain much of the same information.
>
> /More at http://technology.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,1838751,00.html
>
> There is also a link to a 200 page report on ID cards (in pdf)
> /
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From ralphellis1-VsqqI1RANlEsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Aug 7 06:51:45 2006
From: ralphellis1-VsqqI1RANlEsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ralph Ellis)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 23:51:45 -0700
Subject: OT: 2.5" hdd data recovery
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <200608062351.45521.ralphellis1@netscape.ca>
I don't know if it could help but SpinRite is a program with a strong success
rate with date recovery but you would have to connect the drive so some sort
of IDE controller. See
www.grc.com
Good luck
Ralph Ellis
On Sunday 06 August 2006 2:39 pm, Jamon Camisso wrote:
> I've a friend who's Hitachi Travelstar has packed it in after 4 years of
> service. Of course he doesn't have a backup. The drive is unrecognized
> in both my external USB enclosure and in another laptop, leading me to
> believe that something is wrong with the power connection, and/or the
> internals themselves.
>
> This in mind then: does anyone on this list do 2.5" physical recovery or
> know of anyone who is reasonably priced who does? By reasonable I'm
> talking home user prices, not corporate datacenter, globally deployed
> swat team recovery experts. I'm talking a maximum of $500 or there is no
> recovery. A near impossible request, I know what the larger services
> sometimes charge.
>
> A grim situation, so TIA for any contacts of offers to help. I know of
> the large companies like CBL and Ontrack of course, google is useful,
> but... someone mentioned a downtown company a while ago (last year) that
> starts with an R, something like R-Tools, or RT soft? I can't remember,
> but they were reasonable and local.
>
> Jamon
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From jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Aug 7 04:03:54 2006
From: jamon.camisso-H217xnMUJC0sA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Jamon Camisso)
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 00:03:54 -0400
Subject: OT: Hackers crack new biometric passports
In-Reply-To: <44D69E93.3040508-D1t3LT1mScs@public.gmane.org>
References: <44D69E93.3040508@pppoe.ca>
Message-ID:
Meng Cheah wrote:
> *Hackers crack new biometric passports*
>
> *Bobbie Johnson, technology correspondent
> Monday August 7, 2006
> The Guardian *
How to clone the copy-friendly biometric passport
By John Lettice
Published Friday 4th August 2006 13:08 GMT
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/08/04/cloning_epassports/
"... The ICAO documentation Grunwald consulted is publicly available,
and explains the detail of the various levels of security of the
ePassport system, the baseline level being something not unadjacent to
zero..."
For proponents of security though obscurity, that sentence there is
pretty much all you'd need to construct a rhetorically charged, loosely
factually based, FUD mongering condemnation of the whole notion of open
source (I use the term loosely, not specifically in the software sense
of the word).
What this really means is that, despite the apparent failures of the
system presently, the next version or updates to the chips will likely
be secured in a more secretive manner. i.e. no more open access to the
ICAO's how and what documentation. Just imagine how secretive they'll be
allowed to be once DNA imprinting becomes commonplace.
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From meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org Mon Aug 7 05:00:09 2006
From: meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org (Meng Cheah)
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 01:00:09 -0400
Subject: OT: 2.5" hdd data recovery
In-Reply-To: <200608062351.45521.ralphellis1-VsqqI1RANlEsA/PxXw9srA@public.gmane.org>
References: <200608062351.45521.ralphellis1@netscape.ca>
Message-ID: <44D6C8D9.8060600@pppoe.ca>
Ralph Ellis wrote:
>I don't know if it could help but SpinRite is a program with a strong success
>rate with date recovery but you would have to connect the drive so some sort
>of IDE controller. See
>www.grc.com
>Good luck
>
>
Has anyone personal experience of data recovery with SpinRite?
I want to know the general consensus with regard to data recovery before
spending the money.
A couple of my former colleagues have used it for checking drives; they
liked it.
There was a drive which while being formatted, hung.
After a couple of hours, the box was rebooted.
I tried SpinRite among other utilities, nothing worked.
The drive was "fubar"ed.
Thanks in advance.
Meng Cheah
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From ralphellis1-VsqqI1RANlEsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org Mon Aug 7 14:52:54 2006
From: ralphellis1-VsqqI1RANlEsA/PxXw9srA at public.gmane.org (Ralph Ellis)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 07:52:54 -0700
Subject: OT: 2.5" hdd data recovery
In-Reply-To: <44D6C8D9.8060600-D1t3LT1mScs@public.gmane.org>
References: <200608062351.45521.ralphellis1@netscape.ca> <44D6C8D9.8060600@pppoe.ca>
Message-ID: <200608070752.55115.ralphellis1@netscape.ca>
On Sunday 06 August 2006 10:00 pm, Meng Cheah wrote:
> Ralph Ellis wrote:
> >I don't know if it could help but SpinRite is a program with a strong
> > success rate with date recovery but you would have to connect the drive
> > so some sort of IDE controller. See
> >www.grc.com
> >Good luck
>
> Has anyone personal experience of data recovery with SpinRite?
> I want to know the general consensus with regard to data recovery before
> spending the money.
>
> A couple of my former colleagues have used it for checking drives; they
> liked it.
> There was a drive which while being formatted, hung.
> After a couple of hours, the box was rebooted.
> I tried SpinRite among other utilities, nothing worked.
> The drive was "fubar"ed.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Meng Cheah
>
>
>
>
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In my case SpinRite fixed a persistent disk error that would not go away
rather than data recovery. If a sector has been trashed at the lowest
hardware level then there is no recovery. If the data is still there at the
hardware level and the damage is at the level where the formating is then you
have a chance of recovery.
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From jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org Mon Aug 7 13:01:39 2006
From: jmyshrall-6duGhz7i8susTnJN9+BGXg at public.gmane.org (John Myshrall)
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 09:01:39 -0400
Subject: OT: 2.5" hdd data recovery
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <44D739B3.4080707@golden.net>
Jamon Camisso wrote:
> I've a friend who's Hitachi Travelstar has packed it in after 4 years of
> service. Of course he doesn't have a backup. The drive is unrecognized
> in both my external USB enclosure and in another laptop, leading me to
> believe that something is wrong with the power connection, and/or the
> internals themselves.
>
> This in mind then: does anyone on this list do 2.5" physical recovery or
> know of anyone who is reasonably priced who does? By reasonable I'm
> talking home user prices, not corporate datacenter, globally deployed
> swat team recovery experts. I'm talking a maximum of $500 or there is no
> recovery. A near impossible request, I know what the larger services
> sometimes charge.
>
> A grim situation, so TIA for any contacts of offers to help. I know of
> the large companies like CBL and Ontrack of course, google is useful,
> but... someone mentioned a downtown company a while ago (last year) that
> starts with an R, something like R-Tools, or RT soft? I can't remember,
> but they were reasonable and local.
>
> Jamon
>
You may want to check out the drive manufacturers utilities. I seen
drives not boot up however as slaves they have been accessible.
John
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From: evan-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg at public.gmane.org (Evan Leibovitch)
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 11:28:00 -0400
Subject: why I fear open source can't win the war
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References: <200608050711.06195.ican@netrover.com> <44D52C09.30608@rogers.com> <44D52DF5.8040804@rogers.com> <44D5358A.4090108@rogers.com>
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> This is some news but will it happen in Toronto is the key question.
> Here we don't generally see Lenovo computers but more of IBM.
That's just a matter of clearing out old stock. Go to IBM's product page
at http://www.ibm.com/products/ca/en/ and there's no mention of desktops
and laptops. Just a link for "PC products from Lenovo", which takes you
to the Lenovo Canada website.
Frankly, I don't see the fuss over this subject, and I don't see the
logic that goes from "Sympatico won't support Linux" to "open source
can't win the war". There are a few points to consider:
1) OEM problems with Linux diversity
When an OEM goes to pre-install Windows, there's almost never an issue
of "which Windows". They install the one Microsoft gives them to
install. When they go to install Linux, they have to answer the complex
and often controversial question "which Linux"?
The US Walmart Linux systems come with Linspire pre-installed. To listen
to some Linux people talk about Linspire, they'd wipe that system off
their hard disk as fast as they'd wipe off Windows. The new Thinkpad
deal pre-installs Novell, yet TLUG couldn't even find someone to talk
about Novell/SuSE for the LinuxWorld distro comparison earlier this
year. No matter _what_ an OEM chooses, a significant piece of the
already-small market for Linux laptops will find the choice
unacceptable. If Lenovo supports Novell and HP supports Red Hat, then
going with either constitutes a subtle form of vendor lock-in (if
official vendor support matters to you).
In the server world, OS options are greater, it's easier to buy systems
with no OS so you can just add your favourite. Moreover, servers are
more likely sold by VARs and consultants who are capable of handling
installation, integration and support issues. Laptops and desktops,
OTOH, are part of a numbers game in which high-volume retailers work on
thin margins for a small number of items and want as little diversity as
possible.
For the foreseeable future, Linux laptops and desktops will be the realm
of do-it-yourselfers or companies who specialize in doing inexpensive
"upgrades" of existing mainstream fare (see "Emperor Linux" for the
archetype of this model).
2) Sympatico support
I have two brief things to say about that;
a) Again, it's a numbers game. Bell serves people who don't ready care
(let alone know) about their computers. The first few levels of tech
support are dumbed-down and heavily scripted to deal with this reality.
Most people using Linux, by their very act of choosing Linux,
demonstrate more awareness of their computers than Bell support can
generally cope with. This is a good reason to have at least one system
in your house that you can dual-boot into Windows, if for no other
reason than as a diagnostic tool to help Bell support work within their
limitations. Remember, you choose to be the exception to the masses
they're used to dealing with. Anyone for whom you install Linux need to
be aware of that in advance.
b) It's corporate culture; Bell support stinks, and that's not limited
to Sympatico. Your experience with doesn't sound anywhere as nightmarish
as what I've gone through regarding their regular phone service. That
"Emily" voice-response cyber-operator is the most horrid implementation
of such a system I've ever encountered; and I've waited a half-hour on
hold for the privilege of being connected to "your call cannot be
completed as dialled". Rogers, which has its own significant set of
warts, couldn't be this bad on its worst day.
3) The future versus the present
Your experience with Bell doesn't indicate Linux's ability to become
mainstream so much as it reflects on the current reality. To a certain
extent there is some chicken-and-egg character to this (what comes
first? Support for Linux or demand for it?), so breaking into the
mainstream is a slow process that's more evolution than a war with a
definitive battle. What we _do_ know is that:
- there have been sporadic attempts in North America to market Linux
pre-loaded by HP and Dell, and these attempts have generally not succeeded
- there are many successful companies marketing Linux laptops outside
North America; within the past week alone I posted a pointer to a story
about the sale of four million systems in Asia, Africa and South
America. In southeast Asia companies _must_ offer Linux on laptops to be
competitive.
So the issue is not a matter of "is Linux going mainstream" so much as
it is "when will we catch up to the rest of the world"? The answer to
this is (or should be, IMO) one of impatience rather than despair.
- Evan
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From sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org Mon Aug 7 16:22:10 2006
From: sciguy-Ja3L+HSX0kI at public.gmane.org (Paul King)
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 12:22:10 -0400
Subject: why I fear open source can't win the war
In-Reply-To: <44D75C00.4060800-ieNeDk6JonTYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>
References: <44D5358A.4090108@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <44D73072.3312.203A7E41@sciguy.vex.net>
On 7 Aug 2006 at 11:28, Evan Leibovitch wrote:
> That
> "Emily" voice-response cyber-operator is the most horrid implementation
> of such a system I've ever encountered; and I've waited a half-hour on
> hold for the privilege of being connected to "your call cannot be
> completed as dialled". Rogers, which has its own significant set of
> warts, couldn't be this bad on its worst day.
>
I have joked with my wife that "Emily", with her 1-second Disneyish
flourish at the beginning, has become our "Bell telephone fairy"
or, depending on the service, our "Bell Mobility fairy".
I can't understand how they could have seriously thought that this
was a good idea. It must have cost hundreds of thousands of dollars
to put her together.
Paul
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From jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Mon Aug 7 21:01:25 2006
From: jason-xgs8i/e9EeWTtA8H5PvdGCwD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Jason Shein)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 17:01:25 -0400
Subject: OT: 2.5" hdd data recovery
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <200608071701.25879.jason@detachednetworks.ca>
On Sunday 06 August 2006 17:39, Jamon Camisso wrote:
> I've a friend who's Hitachi Travelstar has packed it in after 4 years of
> service. Of course he doesn't have a backup. The drive is unrecognized
> in both my external USB enclosure and in another laptop, leading me to
> believe that something is wrong with the power connection, and/or the
> internals themselves.
>
> This in mind then: does anyone on this list do 2.5" physical recovery or
> know of anyone who is reasonably priced who does? By reasonable I'm
> talking home user prices, not corporate datacenter, globally deployed
> swat team recovery experts. I'm talking a maximum of $500 or there is no
> recovery. A near impossible request, I know what the larger services
> sometimes charge.
>
> A grim situation, so TIA for any contacts of offers to help. I know of
> the large companies like CBL and Ontrack of course, google is useful,
> but... someone mentioned a downtown company a while ago (last year) that
> starts with an R, something like R-Tools, or RT soft? I can't remember,
> but they were reasonable and local.
>
> Jamon
Well Jamon, I hate to be the one to break it to you, but the IBM /
Hitachi "Deathstar" series of drives have an extremely poor data recovery
rate.
We do data recovery regularly, and have a 97% success rate as long as the bios
can see the drive. See:
http://www.detachednetworks.ca/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=12&Itemid=28
Unfortunately, the exception of this rule is the Travelstar and Deskstar
drives manufactured by Hitachi ( rebranded by IBM ), where the rate falls to
5%.
If you have a Travelstar or Deskstar hard drive, regular backups are a must.
Or better yet, replace it now before it dies, and use it as a nice paperwight
for your desk.
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From sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Mon Aug 7 21:14:48 2006
From: sy1234-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Sy Ali)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 16:14:48 -0500
Subject: why I fear open source can't win the war
In-Reply-To: <44D73072.3312.203A7E41-TElMtxJ9tQ95lvbp69gI5w@public.gmane.org>
References: <44D5358A.4090108@rogers.com> <44D75C00.4060800@telly.org>
<44D73072.3312.203A7E41@sciguy.vex.net>
Message-ID: <1e55af990608071414k64de68c0j830794d126fa45d2@mail.gmail.com>
On 8/7/06, Paul King wrote:
> I can't understand how they could have seriously thought that this
> was a good idea. It must have cost hundreds of thousands of dollars
> to put her together.
Because someone said "hey, wouldn't it be cool if..." to someone who
had signing power, and away it went.
It's the same reason bad "anything" happens.. someone cons the right
person and it gets done. Think advertising.. the agency cons the
company and the crappy ad gets made.
I think Emily is a neat idea.. I like the idea of its open beta test. ;)
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From meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org Mon Aug 7 23:39:40 2006
From: meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org (Meng Cheah)
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 19:39:40 -0400
Subject: OT: AOL Releases Search Logs of 657,427 Users
Message-ID: <44D7CF3C.1090603@pppoe.ca>
Words fail me.
/http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/08/06/aol-proudly-releases-massive-amounts-of-user-search-data//
*"The utter stupidity of this is staggering.* AOL has released very
private data about its users without their permission. While the AOL
username has been changed to a random ID number, the abilitiy to analyze
all searches by a single user will often lead people to easily determine
who the user is, and what they are up to. The data includes personal
names, addresses, social security numbers and everything else someone
might type into a search box.
The most serious problem is the fact that many people often search on
their own name, or those of their friends and family, to see what
information is available about them on the net. Combine these ego
searches with porn queries and you have a serious embarrassment. Combine
them with ?buy ecstasy? and you have evidence of a crime. Combine it
with an address, social security number, etc., and you have an identity
theft waiting to happen. The possibilities are endless."
The apology from AOL:
All ?
This was a screw up, and we?re angry and upset about it. It was an
innocent enough attempt to reach out to the academic community with
new research tools, but it was obviously not appropriately vetted,
and if it had been, it would have been stopped in an instant.
Although there was no personally-identifiable data linked to these
accounts, we?re absolutely not defending this. It was a mistake, and
we apologize. We?ve launched an internal investigation into what
happened, and we are taking steps to ensure that this type of thing
never happens again.
Here was what was mistakenly released:
* Search data for roughly 658,000 anonymized users over a three
month period from March to May.
* There was no personally identifiable data provided by AOL with
those records, but search queries themselves can sometimes include
such information.
* According to comScore Media Metrix, the AOL search network had
42.7 million unique visitors in May, so the total data set covered
roughly 1.5% of May search users.
* Roughly 20 million search records over that period, so the data
included roughly 1/3 of one percent of the total searches conducted
through the AOL network over that period.
* The searches included as part of this data only included U.S.
searches conducted within the AOL client software.
We apologize again for the release.
Andrew Weinstein
AOL Spokesman
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From meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org Mon Aug 7 23:56:53 2006
From: meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org (Meng Cheah)
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 19:56:53 -0400
Subject: OT: AOL Releases Search Logs of 657,427 Users
In-Reply-To: <44D7CF3C.1090603-D1t3LT1mScs@public.gmane.org>
References: <44D7CF3C.1090603@pppoe.ca>
Message-ID: <44D7D345.6030902@pppoe.ca>
Meng Cheah wrote:
> Words fail me.
>
> /http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/08/06/aol-proudly-releases-massive-amounts-of-user-search-data//
>
>
> *"The utter stupidity of this is staggering.* AOL has released very
> private data about its users without their permission. While the AOL
> username has been changed to a random ID number, the abilitiy to
> analyze all searches by a single user will often lead people to easily
> determine who the user is, and what they are up to. The data includes
> personal names, addresses, social security numbers and everything else
> someone might type into a search box.
>
> The most serious problem is the fact that many people often search on
> their own name, or those of their friends and family, to see what
> information is available about them on the net. Combine these ego
> searches with porn queries and you have a serious embarrassment.
> Combine them with ?buy ecstasy? and you have evidence of a crime.
> Combine it with an address, social security number, etc., and you have
> an identity theft waiting to happen. The possibilities are endless."
>
> The apology from AOL:
> All ?
>
> This was a screw up, and we?re angry and upset about it. It was an
> innocent enough attempt to reach out to the academic community with
> new research tools, but it was obviously not appropriately vetted,
> and if it had been, it would have been stopped in an instant.
>
> Although there was no personally-identifiable data linked to these
> accounts, we?re absolutely not defending this. It was a mistake, and
> we apologize. We?ve launched an internal investigation into what
> happened, and we are taking steps to ensure that this type of thing
> never happens again.
>
> Here was what was mistakenly released:
>
> * Search data for roughly 658,000 anonymized users over a three
> month period from March to May.
>
> * There was no personally identifiable data provided by AOL with
> those records, but search queries themselves can sometimes include
> such information.
>
> * According to comScore Media Metrix, the AOL search network had
> 42.7 million unique visitors in May, so the total data set covered
> roughly 1.5% of May search users.
>
> * Roughly 20 million search records over that period, so the data
> included roughly 1/3 of one percent of the total searches conducted
> through the AOL network over that period.
>
> * The searches included as part of this data only included U.S.
> searches conducted within the AOL client software.
>
> We apologize again for the release.
>
> Andrew Weinstein
> AOL Spokesman
From the README file with the original release:
500k User Session Collection
----------------------------------------------
This collection is distributed for NON-COMMERCIAL RESEARCH USE ONLY.
Any application of this collection for commercial purposes is STRICTLY PROHIBITED.
Brief description:
This collection consists of ~20M web queries collected from ~650k users over three months.
The data is sorted by anonymous user ID and sequentially arranged.
The goal of this collection is to provide real query log data that is based on real users. It could be used for personalization, query reformulation or other types of search research.
The data set includes {AnonID, Query, QueryTime, ItemRank, ClickURL}.
AnonID - an anonymous user ID number.
Query - the query issued by the user, case shifted with
most punctuation removed.
QueryTime - the time at which the query was submitted for search.
ItemRank - if the user clicked on a search result, the rank of the
item on which they clicked is listed.
ClickURL - if the user clicked on a search result, the domain portion of
the URL in the clicked result is listed.
Each line in the data represents one of two types of events:
1. A query that was NOT followed by the user clicking on a result item.
2. A click through on an item in the result list returned from a query.
In the first case (query only) there is data in only the first three columns/fields -- namely AnonID, Query, and QueryTime (see above).
In the second case (click through), there is data in all five columns. For click through events, the query that preceded the click through is included. Note that if a user clicked on more than one result in the list returned from a single query, there will be TWO lines in the data to represent the two events. Also note that if the user requested the next "page" or results for some query, this appears as a subsequent identical query with a later time stamp.
CAVEAT EMPTOR -- SEXUALLY EXPLICIT DATA! Please be aware that these queries are not filtered to remove any content. Pornography is prevalent on the Web and unfiltered search engine logs contain queries by users who are looking for pornographic material. There are queries in this collection that use SEXUALLY EXPLICIT LANGUAGE. This collection of data is intended for use by mature adults who are not easily offended by the use of pornographic search terms. If you are offended by sexually explicit language you should not read through this data. Also be aware that in some states it may be illegal to expose a minor to this data. Please understand that the data represents REAL WORLD USERS, un-edited and randomly sampled, and that AOL is not the author of this data.
Basic Collection Statistics
Dates:
01 March, 2006 - 31 May, 2006
Normalized queries:
36,389,567 lines of data
21,011,340 instances of new queries (w/ or w/o click-through)
7,887,022 requests for "next page" of results
19,442,629 user click-through events
16,946,938 queries w/o user click-through
10,154,742 unique (normalized) queries
657,426 unique user ID's
Please reference the following publication when using this collection:
G. Pass, A. Chowdhury, C. Torgeson, "A Picture of Search" The First
International Conference on Scalable Information Systems, Hong Kong, June,
2006.
Copyright (2006) AOL
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From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 8 01:31:27 2006
From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 21:31:27 -0400
Subject: OT: AOL Releases Search Logs of 657,427 Users
In-Reply-To: <44D7CF3C.1090603-D1t3LT1mScs@public.gmane.org>
References: <44D7CF3C.1090603@pppoe.ca>
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On 8/7/06, Meng Cheah wrote:
> Words fail me.
>
Well put, but IMO people should discuss it.
Large organizations are having a very difficult time keeping pace with
the people's needs. Look at Sony BMG and the rootkit fiasco. Or the
SCO garbage. Or the RIM scenario. Or, or, or. Even Governments are
having difficulty.
I feel sorry for the People who were unwittingly involved in AOL's
little experiment.
History says that it's never wise to infuriate the masses. (With the
internet is a new development. ;-)
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From psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 8 02:59:41 2006
From: psema4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Scott Elcomb)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 22:59:41 -0400
Subject: [OT]: Apple releases Kernel sources for Intel Macs and "Mac OS Forge"
Message-ID: <99a6c38f0608071959n757cb044qa389e45a8e60d2fd@mail.gmail.com>
Apple has released the Darwin Intel Kernel source code, and created a
new community site "Mac OS Forge"
http://lists.apple.com/archives/Darwin-dev/2006/Aug/msg00067.html
M$ is going to get eaten alive over the next few years if they don't
open up Windows.
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From cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 8 03:26:15 2006
From: cbbrowne-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Christopher Browne)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 20:26:15 -0700
Subject: [OT]: Apple releases Kernel sources for Intel Macs and "Mac OS Forge"
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Message-ID:
On 8/7/06, Scott Elcomb wrote:
> Apple has released the Darwin Intel Kernel source code, and created a
> new community site "Mac OS Forge"
>
> http://lists.apple.com/archives/Darwin-dev/2006/Aug/msg00067.html
>
> M$ is going to get eaten alive over the next few years if they don't
> open up Windows.
Of direct, practical interest to fans of kernels other than those from
Apple is that they have made code for other things available under
Apache-style licenses
- An iCal server (which will give the OSAF folks a run for the money...)
- launchd, which is kind of a modernized "rc.d" system
- bonjour, a system for network self-discovery/self-construction
All are at least moderately useful things.
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From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 8 04:13:14 2006
From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer)
Date: 08 Aug 2006 00:13:14 -0400
Subject: Tom's HW Guide: Linux for gaming
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Evan Leibovitch writes:
> http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/07/12/geforce_and_radeon_take_on_linux/
>
> I've often trusted Tom's Hardware Guide for good reviews of hardware
> components, especially motherboards. It was interesting to see the site
> actually tackle something Linux-ish, let alone the use of Linux as a
> games system.
>
> Those reading this list who are involved with ATI (you know who you are)
> are invited to use this article to help prod the company to match and
> surpass nVidia's level of support.
Here's a counterpoint:
http://www.phoronix.com/redblog/
ATI is working very hard to improve their Linux support. They release a
driver every month so improvements come quickly.
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From: ican-rZHaEmXdJNJWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (bob)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 09:30:07 -0400
Subject: C warning that I can't seem to track down
Message-ID: <200608080930.08148.ican@netrover.com>
In newer versions of the GCC compiler the block of C code:
int length;
...
if(getsockname(s, (struct sockaddr *)&sin, &length))
gives a warning below
socketUtils.c:259: warning: pointer targets in passing argument 3 of
'getsockname' differ in signedness
I tracked it down to a define called "socklen_t". Damned if I can find
where that is defined.
Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
bob
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From hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 8 13:52:42 2006
From: hgibson-MwcKTmeKVNQ at public.gmane.org (Howard Gibson)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 09:52:42 -0400
Subject: why I fear open source can't win the war
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On Sat, 5 Aug 2006 07:11:06 -0400
bob wrote:
> My inlaws purchased a new computer which came with XP preinstalled. The shop
> also configured the Sympatico dialup Internet and Outlook email. The whole
> system worked for a week or so.
>
> Being the security conscious son-in-law, I took it upon myself suggest a safe
> computing strategy: OFT (OO, Firefox, Thunderbird). Armed with my copy of
> The Open CD, I was invited to install OFT (OO, Firefox, Thunderbird) on
> their box.
>
> That is when everything stopped working...
Bob,
My friends regard me as a computer geek, and they ask me technical questions all the time. I remind them that I have not installed or configured a Windows operating system since 3.1. When I mess with a computer, I assume everything will work out because I have the install CD, and I can reformat the hard drive and start all over again. Short of that, I know where the configuration files are, and I know to back them up before I mess with stuff.
A very strong argument against Windows as far as I am concerned, is that I am not familiar with it. I bought my mom a computer and I installed Linux on it so that it would be stable and reliable, and so that when we called me for help, I would know what to do.
If someone asks me about Windows security, I tell them they need a firewall and virus scanner, and that they should avoid IE. I prefer to let them install this stuff themselves, or better yet, let the store install it.
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From talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 8 13:51:54 2006
From: talexb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Alex Beamish)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 09:51:54 -0400
Subject: C warning that I can't seem to track down
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On 8/8/06, bob wrote:
>
> In newer versions of the GCC compiler the block of C code:
>
> int length;
>
> ...
>
> if(getsockname(s, (struct sockaddr *)&sin, &length))
>
> gives a warning below
>
> socketUtils.c:259: warning: pointer targets in passing argument 3 of
> 'getsockname' differ in signedness
Hi Bob,
Google tells me at
http://www.penguin-soft.com/penguin/man/2/getsockname.html?manpath=/man/man2/getsockname.2.inc
that getsockname has the following prototype:
int getsockname(int s , struct sockaddr * name , socklen_t * namelen );
so you need to cast length to a pointer to socklen_t, even if that works out
to an int in the end. Change your line to
if(getsockname(s, (struct sockaddr *)&sin, (socklen_t *)&length))
and re-compile. Let us know how it all works.
I tracked it down to a define called "socklen_t". Damned if I can find
> where that is defined.
Google is your friend. :)
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From: rob-3Aypa9sX/B7wvR0lvYjcXw at public.gmane.org (Rob Sutherland)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 09:56:55 -0400
Subject: Open Source MMORPGs
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On Sunday 06 August 2006 09:31, Colin McGregor wrote:
> I have not tried it yet, but you may want to have a
> look at the Cube engines:
>
> ? www.cubeengine.com
Thanks for the suggestion Colin. I checked it out and it actually looks pretty
good if you have a good enough box. It's a little heavy for what I'm looking
for though, since my target systems are salvaged and donated boxen.
Here are some of the other games I've looked at over the last few days,
just to give a little feedback to the community.
The jeweled crest - http://sourceforge.net/projects/thejeweledcrest
This is a basic web based dungeon type thing. It's a beta and a little rough,
but it doesn't look too bad.
Blacknova - http://www.blacknova.net/
A web based variation of Tradewars, if anyone remembers that :-) For
sentimental reasons I'm running a version at
http://www.luckdancing.com/blacknova
Liquid War - http://www.ufoot.org/liquidwar/
This is kind of wierd, but it runs OK on a wide range of platforms and has
been around for a while. Each player is a body of water, trying to surround
and engulf other players. Works for me :-)
Planeshift http://www.planeshift.it/main_01.html and Eternal Lands
http://www.eternal-lands.com/
These are both free to use hosted 3D virtual worlds, you need a pretty good
box and connection to play them, but they're kind of fun and have active
communities
I also found The Mana World, http://themanaworld.org/, which looks
interesting, but the client needs a bunch of dependencies that I don't have
time to mess with - anyone tried it?
There's a meeting tomorrow night for anyone interested in helping out with
this event - 7:00pm Wednesday August 8th, Secular Freethought Center, 216
Beverly St.
Rob
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From opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 8 14:39:12 2006
From: opengeometry-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (William Park)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 10:39:12 -0400
Subject: C warning that I can't seem to track down
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On Tue, Aug 08, 2006 at 09:30:07AM -0400, bob wrote:
> In newer versions of the GCC compiler the block of C code:
>
> int length;
>
> ...
>
> if(getsockname(s, (struct sockaddr *)&sin, &length))
>
> gives a warning below
>
> socketUtils.c:259: warning: pointer targets in passing argument 3 of
> 'getsockname' differ in signedness
>
>
> I tracked it down to a define called "socklen_t". Damned if I can find
> where that is defined.
>
> Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
Probably, 'socket_t' is defined as unsigned, just like 'size_t'.
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From jvetterli-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 8 15:15:25 2006
From: jvetterli-zC6tqtfhjqE at public.gmane.org (John Vetterli)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:15:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: C warning that I can't seem to track down
In-Reply-To:
References: <200608080930.08148.ican@netrover.com>
Message-ID:
On Tue, 8 Aug 2006, Alex Beamish wrote:
> On 8/8/06, bob wrote:
>> int length;
>> ...
>> if(getsockname(s, (struct sockaddr *)&sin, &length))
>> socketUtils.c:259: warning: pointer targets in passing argument 3 of
>> 'getsockname' differ in signedness
> that getsockname has the following prototype:
> int getsockname(int s , struct sockaddr * name , socklen_t * namelen );
> so you need to cast length to a pointer to socklen_t, even if that works out
> to an int in the end. Change your line to
> if(getsockname(s, (struct sockaddr *)&sin, (socklen_t *)&length))
It might be preferable to just declare length as a socklen_t. That way,
if you ever move to a platform where socklen_t is a different size than
int, you're still covered.
HTH
JV
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From ican-rZHaEmXdJNJWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 8 16:11:37 2006
From: ican-rZHaEmXdJNJWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (bob)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:11:37 -0400
Subject: C warning that I can't seem to track down
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Of course. I'll try that once I get back to my system with the newer GCC
installed.
Thanks.
bob
PS.
Still can't believe how obtuse the Linux headers have become since I last
looked in any detail. Maybe Google can tell me where socklen_t is actually
defined ...
On Tuesday 08 August 2006 09:51 am, Alex Beamish wrote:
> On 8/8/06, bob wrote:
> > In newer versions of the GCC compiler the block of C code:
> >
> > int length;
> >
> > ...
> >
> > if(getsockname(s, (struct sockaddr *)&sin, &length))
> >
> > gives a warning below
> >
> > socketUtils.c:259: warning: pointer targets in passing argument 3 of
> > 'getsockname' differ in signedness
>
> Hi Bob,
>
> Google tells me at
>
>
> http://www.penguin-soft.com/penguin/man/2/getsockname.html?manpath=/man/man
>2/getsockname.2.inc
>
> that getsockname has the following prototype:
>
> int getsockname(int s , struct sockaddr * name , socklen_t * namelen );
>
> so you need to cast length to a pointer to socklen_t, even if that works
> out to an int in the end. Change your line to
>
> if(getsockname(s, (struct sockaddr *)&sin, (socklen_t *)&length))
>
> and re-compile. Let us know how it all works.
>
> I tracked it down to a define called "socklen_t". Damned if I can find
>
> > where that is defined.
>
> Google is your friend. :)
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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 8 16:34:45 2006
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:34:45 -0400
Subject: Sympatico + Norton + OFT
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On Sat, Aug 05, 2006 at 10:28:11AM -0400, John McGregor wrote:
> Its been my experience that the various Norton products do no work well
> / at all with Win XP and can be the root cause of major problems over
> and above sending / receiving email.. When a client presents me with a
> new PC, the first thing I do is to look for Norton Antivirus / Internet
> Security and then uninstall it. I replace it with the free version of
> AVG Antivirus:
>
> http://free.grisoft.com/doc/avg-anti-virus-free/lng/us/tpl/v5
>
> and the free version of Zone Alarm.
>
> Thunderbird will work with Sympatico's new servers if you select the
> 'use TLS, if available' security option for both incoming and outgoing
> connections.
>
> A far better option, of course, is to switch them to Linux at the
> earliest possible convenience.
In my experience, both norton and zone alarm are to be avoided. Life is
better without them.
AVG seems decent enough, although I wish there was an option in the free
version to tell it to always quarentine a virus when found, rather than
the popup question that disappears after 30 seconds.
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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 8 16:39:25 2006
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:39:25 -0400
Subject: Dual core Intel... how hot?
In-Reply-To:
References: <20060802144557.GA17952@wp.magstar.net> <20060802174625.GX13640@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <20060802184814.GA18495@wp.magstar.net> <20060804125351.GY13640@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
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On Sat, Aug 05, 2006 at 10:48:20PM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote:
> Thanks for all those figures. I am guessing that they are the
> "thermal design power" ("TDP") figures for each chip.
>
> One problem with TDP is that AMD and Intel specify them differently.
> In particular, AMD's TDP is the most power that a chip can use when
> the "inputs" are within spec. Intel's TDP is a nice
> high-but-not-worst-case number; they demand you throttle when the
> temperature gets too high. So Intel's numbers appear lower.
That is certainly true. Some people think intel's "typical max" are
nice, while others (like me) prefer AMD's true max. After all if you
design the cooling system for the typical max, there is a small
possibility that it won't be enough for some loads, in which case the
system will start to throttle itself to keep cool.
> This article is quite interesting:
> http://www.silentpcreview.com/article169-page3.html
> I found this from
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_Design_Power
>
> BTW, speed throttling might not be the most rational approach. Given
> a fixed amount of computation to perform, full-speed processing
> followed by sleep-when-done may be more energy-efficient than
> throttled-speed processing followed by less sleep. If sleep can be
> entered and exited quickly enough, this may be generalized to
> interactive computational loads.
It is certainly possible, at least if you have to spin up a disk to
access some of the data, the quicker you can get it all, the sooner you
can spin down the disk again. In the same way I suspect some laptops
would save power by having more ram, even though ram uses power too,
just because they could reduce disk accesses in some cases.
> | 62W for 90nm Athlon 64 (new revision with virtualization support)
>
> I didn't realize that this was out already.
It has been for quite a while actually. Probably the last year or so.
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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 8 16:46:54 2006
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:46:54 -0400
Subject: OT: Hackers crack new biometric passports
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On Mon, Aug 07, 2006 at 12:03:54AM -0400, Jamon Camisso wrote:
> How to clone the copy-friendly biometric passport
> By John Lettice
> Published Friday 4th August 2006 13:08 GMT
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/08/04/cloning_epassports/
>
> "... The ICAO documentation Grunwald consulted is publicly available,
> and explains the detail of the various levels of security of the
> ePassport system, the baseline level being something not unadjacent to
> zero..."
>
> For proponents of security though obscurity, that sentence there is
> pretty much all you'd need to construct a rhetorically charged, loosely
> factually based, FUD mongering condemnation of the whole notion of open
> source (I use the term loosely, not specifically in the software sense
> of the word).
>
> What this really means is that, despite the apparent failures of the
> system presently, the next version or updates to the chips will likely
> be secured in a more secretive manner. i.e. no more open access to the
> ICAO's how and what documentation. Just imagine how secretive they'll be
> allowed to be once DNA imprinting becomes commonplace.
When will they learn that you can not do either of:
1) Leave it totally open and readable by anyone with the right
equipment. Just because the equipment is hard to get or expensive now,
doesn't mean it always will be, or that people can't get it.
2) Making things secret is no better. The spec has to be open, designed
by people who know what they are doing, and designed to be secure (which
almost never means it should be secret). CSS was secret, look how that
went. 802.11's WPE was just plain bad. Secrets have a tendency to
become non-secret, so it is better to not make them secret in the first
place and just make it secure instead.
Of course copying the chip on a passport, doesn't help you much if the
chip contains an image or fingerprint that doesn't match the person
carrying the passport. It is still a concern though.
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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 8 16:50:41 2006
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:50:41 -0400
Subject: C warning that I can't seem to track down
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On Tue, Aug 08, 2006 at 09:30:07AM -0400, bob wrote:
> In newer versions of the GCC compiler the block of C code:
>
> int length;
You didn't specify, so perhaps it is a signed int.
> ...
>
> if(getsockname(s, (struct sockaddr *)&sin, &length))
>
> gives a warning below
>
> socketUtils.c:259: warning: pointer targets in passing argument 3 of
> 'getsockname' differ in signedness
>
>
> I tracked it down to a define called "socklen_t". Damned if I can find
> where that is defined.
>
> Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
socklen_t is defined as an unsigned 32 bit value. Try making your int
unsigned as well.
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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 8 16:53:38 2006
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:53:38 -0400
Subject: [OT]: Apple releases Kernel sources for Intel Macs and "Mac OS Forge"
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On Mon, Aug 07, 2006 at 10:59:41PM -0400, Scott Elcomb wrote:
> Apple has released the Darwin Intel Kernel source code, and created a
> new community site "Mac OS Forge"
>
> http://lists.apple.com/archives/Darwin-dev/2006/Aug/msg00067.html
>
> M$ is going to get eaten alive over the next few years if they don't
> open up Windows.
Shouldn't that be phrased as: "Apple re-releases darwin intel kernel
source code". After all it used to be free, and then suddenly it wasn't
for a while, and now it is again.
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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 8 17:00:20 2006
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 13:00:20 -0400
Subject: Open Source MMORPGs
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On Sat, Aug 05, 2006 at 11:50:46PM -0400, Rob Sutherland wrote:
> I'm trying to organize a small LAN party and I'm looking for some pointers to
> Open Source MMORPGS and other types of networked game/social space MUD/MUSH
> type things that are easy to set up and get newbies started on. I'm trying to
> get examples of different types of games, from first person shooters through
> multi-player strategy games to looser, more socially oriented kinds of
> things, so any suggestions are welcome.
bzflag! :)
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From aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 8 18:11:21 2006
From: aaronvegh-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org (Aaron Vegh)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 14:11:21 -0400
Subject: [OT]: Apple releases Kernel sources for Intel Macs and "Mac OS Forge"
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Not to be too pedantic, but this is the first time the _INTEL_ Darwin
kernel is being released; the PowerPC version has always been
available under an open source license. Because of the delay in
getting this version out (which Apple "regretted"), there was
speculation that they would be changing their practice of maintaining
the Darwin code into the Intel era. Now thanks to this release, and
the larger open source initiative that includes other projects, we
know that Apple is still very serious about open source. And that's
good news for everyone.
Cheers,
Aaron.
On 8/8/06, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 07, 2006 at 10:59:41PM -0400, Scott Elcomb wrote:
> > Apple has released the Darwin Intel Kernel source code, and created a
> > new community site "Mac OS Forge"
> >
> > http://lists.apple.com/archives/Darwin-dev/2006/Aug/msg00067.html
> >
> > M$ is going to get eaten alive over the next few years if they don't
> > open up Windows.
>
> Shouldn't that be phrased as: "Apple re-releases darwin intel kernel
> source code". After all it used to be free, and then suddenly it wasn't
> for a while, and now it is again.
>
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From tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org Tue Aug 8 18:25:49 2006
From: tim-s/rLXaiAEBtBDgjK7y7TUQ at public.gmane.org (Tim Writer)
Date: 08 Aug 2006 14:25:49 -0400
Subject: C warning that I can't seem to track down
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Lennart Sorensen writes:
> On Tue, Aug 08, 2006 at 09:30:07AM -0400, bob wrote:
> > In newer versions of the GCC compiler the block of C code:
> >
> > int length;
>
> You didn't specify, so perhaps it is a signed int.
>
> > ...
> >
> > if(getsockname(s, (struct sockaddr *)&sin, &length))
> >
> > gives a warning below
> >
> > socketUtils.c:259: warning: pointer targets in passing argument 3 of
> > 'getsockname' differ in signedness
> >
> >
> > I tracked it down to a define called "socklen_t". Damned if I can find
> > where that is defined.
> >
> > Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
>
> socklen_t is defined as an unsigned 32 bit value. Try making your int
> unsigned as well.
The correct solution is to define length as:
socklen_t length;
as pointed out by an earlier poster. Otherwise, if sizeof(socklen_t) is not
the same as sizeof(int), casting &length to a pointer to socklen_t will be
disastrous.
Types like socklen_t are your friends. Use them to help you.
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From meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 9 03:51:04 2006
From: meng-D1t3LT1mScs at public.gmane.org (Meng Cheah)
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 23:51:04 -0400
Subject: Sympatico + Norton + OFT
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Lennart Sorensen wrote:
>On Sat, Aug 05, 2006 at 10:28:11AM -0400, John McGregor wrote:
>
>
>>Its been my experience that the various Norton products do no work well
>>/ at all with Win XP and can be the root cause of major problems over
>>and above sending / receiving email.. When a client presents me with a
>>new PC, the first thing I do is to look for Norton Antivirus / Internet
>>Security and then uninstall it. I replace it with the free version of
>>AVG Antivirus:
>>
>>http://free.grisoft.com/doc/avg-anti-virus-free/lng/us/tpl/v5
>>
>>and the free version of Zone Alarm.
>>
>>Thunderbird will work with Sympatico's new servers if you select the
>>'use TLS, if available' security option for both incoming and outgoing
>>connections.
>>
>>A far better option, of course, is to switch them to Linux at the
>>earliest possible convenience.
>>
>>
>
>In my experience, both norton and zone alarm are to be avoided. Life is
>better without them.
>
>
>
I've heard of complaints about Norton but Zone Alarm?
Perhaps you can share your experiences.
Thanks in advance.
>AVG seems decent enough, although I wish there was an option in the free
>version to tell it to always quarentine a virus when found, rather than
>the popup question that disappears after 30 seconds.
>
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From waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 9 03:54:19 2006
From: waltdnes-SLHPyeZ9y/tg9hUCZPvPmw at public.gmane.org (Walter Dnes)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 23:54:19 -0400
Subject: Booby trap when setting up another router
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On Sun, Aug 06, 2006 at 01:53:37AM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote
> Don't know why, but after a week of vacation, my ADSL modem/router has
> come back refreshed and full of zip... sort of like me after a week off.
> One of the first things I did was to go to the setup screens and take
> screen captures of the parameters.
Now it's dead again, but at least I copied the settings for future
use... newsflash... the Post Office left a note that the package had
arrived. I was able to pick it up at the Pharma-Save in the local
shopping Mall and it's now up and running. It should've been a 10 minute
operation, but took half an hour. The task looked simple enough...
change the default LAN settings of the refurbished Netgear to match the
dead GVC. I had several anxious minutes trying to get through to the
router on 192.168.0.1 network 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 so I
could switch it to 192.168.123.254 network 192.168.123.248 netmask
255.255.255.248.
I eventually remembered that I had set up my iptables rules to only
allow network 192.168.123.248 netmask 255.255.255.248... dohhh. I shut
down iptables and immediately logged on to the router. A few minutes
later, it was up and running on the new settings, with iptables enabled
again. Now I'm listening to a 64 kbit oldies station on Live365 whilst
surfing and emailing... life is good again.
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From mwilson-4YeSL8/OYKRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 9 12:14:03 2006
From: mwilson-4YeSL8/OYKRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Mel Wilson)
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 08:14:03 -0400
Subject: C warning that I can't seem to track down
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bob wrote:
> Of course. I'll try that once I get back to my system with the newer GCC
> installed.
>
> Thanks.
>
> bob
> PS.
> Still can't believe how obtuse the Linux headers have become since I last
> looked in any detail. Maybe Google can tell me where socklen_t is actually
> defined ...
:-/
mwilson at darkstar:/usr/include$ grep socklen_t *
netdb.h:extern struct hostent *gethostbyaddr (__const void *__addr,
__socklen_t __len,
netdb.h:extern int gethostbyaddr_r (__const void *__restrict __addr,
__socklen_t __len,
netdb.h: socklen_t ai_addrlen; /* Length of socket address. */
netdb.h: socklen_t __salen, char *__restrict
__host,
netdb.h: socklen_t __hostlen, char *__restrict
__serv,
netdb.h: socklen_t __servlen, unsigned int
__flags);
unistd.h:# ifndef __socklen_t_defined
unistd.h:typedef __socklen_t socklen_t;
unistd.h:# define __socklen_t_defined
So there it is, in unistd.h
Now if we only knew what __socklen_t was, we'd be set. Obtuse?
yeah, I sort of agree.
Mel.
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From mwilson-4YeSL8/OYKRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 9 13:13:16 2006
From: mwilson-4YeSL8/OYKRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Mel Wilson)
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 09:13:16 -0400
Subject: C warning that I can't seem to track down
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Mel Wilson wrote:
> bob wrote:
>> Still can't believe how obtuse the Linux headers have become since I
>> last looked in any detail. Maybe Google can tell me where socklen_t
>> is actually defined ...
>
> :-/
> unistd.h:# ifndef __socklen_t_defined
> unistd.h:typedef __socklen_t socklen_t;
> unistd.h:# define __socklen_t_defined
>
> So there it is, in unistd.h
> Now if we only knew what __socklen_t was, we'd be set. Obtuse?
> yeah, I sort of agree.
Turns out __socklen_t is defined in /usr/include/bits/types.h
It's hard to spot because it's defined by a __STD_TYPE statement
which is a #defined extension to typedef. It's a __U32_TYPE
which is a defined stand-in for unsigned int.
Found this with a little Python thing that scrambles through
the directory tree finding strings in files.
Mel.
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From cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 9 13:16:39 2006
From: cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 09:16:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: C warning that I can't seem to track down
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On Wed, 9 Aug 2006, Mel Wilson wrote:
> Mel Wilson wrote:
>> bob wrote:
>> > Still can't believe how obtuse the Linux headers have become since I
>> > last looked in any detail. Maybe Google can tell me where socklen_t
>> > is actually defined ...
>>
>> : -/
>> unistd.h:# ifndef __socklen_t_defined
>> unistd.h:typedef __socklen_t socklen_t;
>> unistd.h:# define __socklen_t_defined
>>
>> So there it is, in unistd.h
>> Now if we only knew what __socklen_t was, we'd be set. Obtuse?
>> yeah, I sort of agree.
>
> Turns out __socklen_t is defined in /usr/include/bits/types.h
>
> It's hard to spot because it's defined by a __STD_TYPE statement
> which is a #defined extension to typedef. It's a __U32_TYPE
> which is a defined stand-in for unsigned int.
>
> Found this with a little Python thing that scrambles through
> the directory tree finding strings in files.
Python???
What's wrong with 'grep -r'?
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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 9 13:22:38 2006
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 09:22:38 -0400
Subject: [OT]: Apple releases Kernel sources for Intel Macs and "Mac OS Forge"
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On Tue, Aug 08, 2006 at 02:11:21PM -0400, Aaron Vegh wrote:
> Not to be too pedantic, but this is the first time the _INTEL_ Darwin
> kernel is being released; the PowerPC version has always been
> available under an open source license. Because of the delay in
> getting this version out (which Apple "regretted"), there was
> speculation that they would be changing their practice of maintaining
> the Darwin code into the Intel era. Now thanks to this release, and
> the larger open source initiative that includes other projects, we
> know that Apple is still very serious about open source. And that's
> good news for everyone.
Originally the Darwin kernel code was released for both x86 and PPC. It
is less than a year ago that they pulled the source for the darwin
kernel as far as I recall. People had already been playing with darwin
on x86 for a long time before Apple decided to switch to x86. I
remember articles of people complaining about apple pulling the source
code, with questions about how commited they really were to open source
after all.
It happend back in May:
http://www.infoworld.com/article/06/05/17/78300_21OPcurve_1.html
Maybe they were just trying to figure out what they wanted to do.
Darwin 1.3 apparently was rather easy to compile and run on x86
hardware, which was released quite a while ago.
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From lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 9 13:25:58 2006
From: lsorense-1wCw9BSqJbv44Nm34jS7GywD8/FfD2ys at public.gmane.org (Lennart Sorensen)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 09:25:58 -0400
Subject: Sympatico + Norton + OFT
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On Tue, Aug 08, 2006 at 11:51:04PM -0400, Meng Cheah wrote:
> I've heard of complaints about Norton but Zone Alarm?
> Perhaps you can share your experiences.
> Thanks in advance.
Too many stupid questions being asked of users who generally have no
clue whatsoever what the question means. Windows really needs to have
firewalls that don't require user interaction to work. We have that on
linux, but apparently no one can figure out how to make one for windows.
Does anyone make a stateful windows firewall, or are they all just
application/port based the way things used to be a decade ago?
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From kru_tch-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 9 13:41:40 2006
From: kru_tch-FFYn/CNdgSA at public.gmane.org (Stephen Allen)
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 09:41:40 -0400
Subject: Sympatico + Norton + OFT
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Lennart Sorensen wrote:
> AVG seems decent enough, although I wish there was an option in the free
> version to tell it to always quarentine a virus when found, rather than
> the popup question that disappears after 30 seconds.
You might want to try clam/clamwin best of breed, (IMO) even if it
doesn't provide a great eye candy GUI. It's quite reliable and most
important OSS.
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From mwilson-4YeSL8/OYKRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 9 14:40:00 2006
From: mwilson-4YeSL8/OYKRWk0Htik3J/w at public.gmane.org (Mel Wilson)
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 10:40:00 -0400
Subject: C warning that I can't seem to track down
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Chris F.A. Johnson wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Aug 2006, Mel Wilson wrote:
>> Found this with a little Python thing that scrambles through
>> the directory tree finding strings in files.
>
> Python???
>
> What's wrong with 'grep -r'?
It's what I do best. AND 'grep -r' isn't listed in
_Linux in a Nutshell_ (note to self -- what's up with that?)
Cheers, Mel.
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From cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 9 15:06:48 2006
From: cfaj-uVmiyxGBW52XDw4h08c5KA at public.gmane.org (Chris F.A. Johnson)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 11:06:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: C warning that I can't seem to track down
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On Wed, 9 Aug 2006, Mel Wilson wrote:
> Chris F.A. Johnson wrote:
>> On Wed, 9 Aug 2006, Mel Wilson wrote:
>> > Found this with a little Python thing that scrambles through
>> > the directory tree finding strings in files.
>>
>> Python???
>>
>> What's wrong with 'grep -r'?
>
> It's what I do best. AND 'grep -r' isn't listed in
> _Linux in a Nutshell_ (note to self -- what's up with that?)
Even without the -r option, you don't need Python:
find /usr/include -type f -print0 | xargs -0 grep PATTERN /dev/null
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From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 9 17:03:24 2006
From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 13:03:24 -0400
Subject: LITP06 wikis and commitees
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Hi All !
looks like this years bunfest
http://linuxcaffe.com/node/439
needs a bee in it's bonnet, so, I propose a few pages of real estate
is carved out of the gtllug.org wiki;
litp
-activities
-invitations
-food
-music
-permits
-promo
for starters, k? (Sy ?) and then lets get the ideas flowing !
(sorry for being all stormtrouper-like, but hey, who's really got time
for diplomacy ? ;-)
I think we really CAN make this a way fun, and totally memorable gathering !
djp
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From davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org Wed Aug 9 17:08:53 2006
From: davidjpatrick-rieW9WUcm8FFJ04o6PK0Fg at public.gmane.org (David J Patrick)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 13:08:53 -0400
Subject: LITP06 inter-LUG
Message-ID: