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The philosophies of men mingled with the philosophies of women.Thu, 22 Feb 2018 04:05:25 +0000hourly1http://wordpress.com/Comment on Near Death Experiences and Mormon Doctrine, Part I by Mikehttps://wheatandtares.org/2018/02/21/near-death-experiences-and-mormon-doctrine-part-i/#comment-172042
Thu, 22 Feb 2018 04:05:25 +0000http://wheatandtares.org/?p=41109#comment-172042What would constitute convincing proof of dying and coming back? Perhaps we could ask an easier but similar question. What would constitute proof of going to Japan and returning? A pocket full of Japanese coins? But I have some in a box from my mission and my kids could get them. Perhaps acquiring knowledge only available there ? Secrets about future Honda automobiles?

The most interesting NDE I have heard was told to me by my grandmother about a childhood friend of her mother. This person when 12 years old contracted a severe infection and died on a Sunday during stake conference. A visiting apostle went to her home after she had been dead for a couple of hours. He brought her back and restored her health. She related seeing a bright light and meeting loved ones who had gone before her. She was given a choice to return or stay and she wanted to comeback. So far pretty typical.

What was so interesting; while in heaven she met a man wearing fishing boots. She did not know him but he introduced himself as an uncle who drowned in the Bear river many years before she was born. He had a message for his wife who always wondered what happened to him. He had gone fishing without telling anyone, and he disappeared without a trace. He told the 12 year old girl the exact location where he drowned and where his bones could be found still in the fishing boots like he was wearing.

The older members of her family were astonished when the 12 year old girl told them this story from beyond the grave. They had assumed this uncle had ran off to California and they had never told any of the next generation about him. The following day they made a trip to the Bear river and quickly found his body where the 12 year old girl told them it would be, and the leg bones still in the fishing boots she described and also other personal items known to belong to him. His remains were taken to the family cemetery and he was given a proper burial and memorial service. His wife was greatly comforted, especially since she had remarried and had children and always worried that he might return and ruin her new life.

This 12 year old girl brought back accurate, tangible information from the other side that could be verified and she had no other way of knowing it. Of course, the story is third hand like most really great folk tales.

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Thu, 22 Feb 2018 02:58:59 +0000http://wheatandtares.org/?p=41109#comment-172040When the NDE involves seeing Buddha or some other God other than a Christian one, or some other aspect does not jive with our Mormon world view, we dismiss it.
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Thu, 22 Feb 2018 01:08:38 +0000http://wheatandtares.org/?p=41098#comment-172037if you want a great site that has all of the modern brethren and all of their talks, public ones anyways check this site outhttp://instituteofreligion.org/?&z=n&ga=4

It has all of a person’s conference talks, articles, BYU devotionals and any other publicly available talk

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Thu, 22 Feb 2018 00:46:39 +0000http://wheatandtares.org/?p=41098#comment-172035Troy Cline: Well said.
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Thu, 22 Feb 2018 00:22:48 +0000http://wheatandtares.org/?p=41109#comment-172034whizzbang, interesting you should bring up suicides. It turns out that most NDEers report very positive experiences, but a small percentage report seeing things that we’d consider quite negative (eg., hell). There is some evidence to suggest that NDEs induced from suicide are more likely to be more negative than is usual. However, it’s hard to make too much out of that, considering the mind-state of those attempting suicide is usually quite negative to start with. Regardless whether the experience was negative or positive (and I’ve read compelling versions of each), NDEers whose experience comes from a suicide attempt are unlikely to try suicide again.
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Wed, 21 Feb 2018 23:53:50 +0000http://wheatandtares.org/?p=41109#comment-172033I was recently thinking about this and talking with a friend about it as well. We don’t know why some people commit suicide but come back and others commit suicide and don’t come back. I recall reading about how some people kill themselves in a graphic way but come back all in one piece, what divine law is working there? but others don’t seem to have that option.Why do some suicides have a NDE and others don’t?In going further i’ve read numerous NDE’s and to me it seems so random and almost personalized and as you say some have some experiences and others don’t have that.
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Wed, 21 Feb 2018 23:12:32 +0000http://wheatandtares.org/?p=41098#comment-172032Well, regardless of how influenced Nelson is by his wife’s ideas, it is staggering to me that somebody who is educated in issues of family life and sexuality in the year 2018 can think that it is possible to change one’s sexuality through prayer. And it is frightening that she has the ear of the president of the church. God help us.
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Wed, 21 Feb 2018 22:38:27 +0000http://wheatandtares.org/?p=41109#comment-172029Oops. I left out the footnotes and nobody called me out on them! There… fixed!
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Wed, 21 Feb 2018 21:43:07 +0000http://wheatandtares.org/?p=41109#comment-172027felixfabulous: Actually, that is very Mormon in one sense. Mormons don’t like to admit that they don’t know a lot about the afterlife, but we really don’t. I think it’s as much a mystery to us as it is to anyone. It’s just that we don’t like to admit it.
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Wed, 21 Feb 2018 21:39:27 +0000http://wheatandtares.org/?p=41109#comment-172026I love reading them all! I find all the details fascinating.
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