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thesecrettruth.co.uk
2:54pm Sun 24 Aug 14

Reading these comments is so frustrating.
Going by the negative feedback on the comments that make sense, it seems to me that a lot of people don't realise what is actually going on.
What Paramjit said is very true.
People only look at what is happening NOW and not what has lead up to this point.
Israel is an illegal occupier in the majority of the land in what IS Palestine.
The people of Gaza are being oppressed.
This is not by the Orthodox Jews, but being driven by the Zionist regime.
Many Orthodox Jews are against the Zionist movement.
The Palestinians have a right to resist occupation.
When Gaza resists what is being put on them, and Israel 'defends' itself, it makes my laugh.
Can the oppressor defend itself from the oppressed - the answer is NO - they should stop oppressing.
If and when there is a ceasefire, the Palestinians are still being targeted by the IDF, as in the case of Gaza, they have been for a very long time.
The west side of Gaza is open water which is patrolled by the Israeli Navy, there is normally a 6 mile exclusion zone, which recently has been reduced to 3 miles. Even when fishermen are not breaching the exclusion limit, they still risk being injured or killed by the Navy.
This is the same with people who venture near the 'border' of Gaza / Israel.
I've been following this since operation Castlead (2008/2009), this sort of thing happens too routinely, weekly if not at times daily, our media never reports on it, but the minute an Israeli gets injured or killed it is headline news.
One commenter mentioned about the Israelis being hard workers and if the Palestinians did the same.
I notice that produce is being sold around the world including the UK that was grown on Palestinian land which was stolen by Israeli settlers - but that is okay is it.
Well, as you should know, Gaza has a restriction on all products entering the area. They are in effect in a prison. They have restrictions on building supplies, food and medical supplies to name but three in normal times. During this war things have got worse, people are dieing from the lack of medical equipment / medicines.
If you haven't heard of the BDS movement against Israel, then you should have.
BDS = Boycotts Divestment Sanctions.
There is a massive public outcry against the actions of Israel worldwide, hence the BDS movement. Although you will not read about this in our media, it is big news around the world. Many companies are bowing down to public pressure.
If there were no restrictions there would be no need for the tunnels.
Contrary to our media, the tunnels primary use is to 'smuggle' into Gaza much needed supplies.
If there were no product restrictions there would be no need for tunnels.
Also, the last time I checked, it was a war crime if you targeted a civilian populated area, you cannot compare Hamas to the IDF.
There are many ways to support the Palestinians, one such charity is MAP (Medical Aid for Palestinians).

Reading these comments is so frustrating.
Going by the negative feedback on the comments that make sense, it seems to me that a lot of people don't realise what is actually going on.
What Paramjit said is very true.
People only look at what is happening NOW and not what has lead up to this point.
Israel is an illegal occupier in the majority of the land in what IS Palestine.
The people of Gaza are being oppressed.
This is not by the Orthodox Jews, but being driven by the Zionist regime.
Many Orthodox Jews are against the Zionist movement.
The Palestinians have a right to resist occupation.
When Gaza resists what is being put on them, and Israel 'defends' itself, it makes my laugh.
Can the oppressor defend itself from the oppressed - the answer is NO - they should stop oppressing.
If and when there is a ceasefire, the Palestinians are still being targeted by the IDF, as in the case of Gaza, they have been for a very long time.
The west side of Gaza is open water which is patrolled by the Israeli Navy, there is normally a 6 mile exclusion zone, which recently has been reduced to 3 miles. Even when fishermen are not breaching the exclusion limit, they still risk being injured or killed by the Navy.
This is the same with people who venture near the 'border' of Gaza / Israel.
I've been following this since operation Castlead (2008/2009), this sort of thing happens too routinely, weekly if not at times daily, our media never reports on it, but the minute an Israeli gets injured or killed it is headline news.
One commenter mentioned about the Israelis being hard workers and if the Palestinians did the same.
I notice that produce is being sold around the world including the UK that was grown on Palestinian land which was stolen by Israeli settlers - but that is okay is it.
Well, as you should know, Gaza has a restriction on all products entering the area. They are in effect in a prison. They have restrictions on building supplies, food and medical supplies to name but three in normal times. During this war things have got worse, people are dieing from the lack of medical equipment / medicines.
If you haven't heard of the BDS movement against Israel, then you should have.
BDS = Boycotts Divestment Sanctions.
There is a massive public outcry against the actions of Israel worldwide, hence the BDS movement. Although you will not read about this in our media, it is big news around the world. Many companies are bowing down to public pressure.
If there were no restrictions there would be no need for the tunnels.
Contrary to our media, the tunnels primary use is to 'smuggle' into Gaza much needed supplies.
If there were no product restrictions there would be no need for tunnels.
Also, the last time I checked, it was a war crime if you targeted a civilian populated area, you cannot compare Hamas to the IDF.
There are many ways to support the Palestinians, one such charity is MAP (Medical Aid for Palestinians).thesecrettruth.co.uk

Reading these comments is so frustrating.
Going by the negative feedback on the comments that make sense, it seems to me that a lot of people don't realise what is actually going on.
What Paramjit said is very true.
People only look at what is happening NOW and not what has lead up to this point.
Israel is an illegal occupier in the majority of the land in what IS Palestine.
The people of Gaza are being oppressed.
This is not by the Orthodox Jews, but being driven by the Zionist regime.
Many Orthodox Jews are against the Zionist movement.
The Palestinians have a right to resist occupation.
When Gaza resists what is being put on them, and Israel 'defends' itself, it makes my laugh.
Can the oppressor defend itself from the oppressed - the answer is NO - they should stop oppressing.
If and when there is a ceasefire, the Palestinians are still being targeted by the IDF, as in the case of Gaza, they have been for a very long time.
The west side of Gaza is open water which is patrolled by the Israeli Navy, there is normally a 6 mile exclusion zone, which recently has been reduced to 3 miles. Even when fishermen are not breaching the exclusion limit, they still risk being injured or killed by the Navy.
This is the same with people who venture near the 'border' of Gaza / Israel.
I've been following this since operation Castlead (2008/2009), this sort of thing happens too routinely, weekly if not at times daily, our media never reports on it, but the minute an Israeli gets injured or killed it is headline news.
One commenter mentioned about the Israelis being hard workers and if the Palestinians did the same.
I notice that produce is being sold around the world including the UK that was grown on Palestinian land which was stolen by Israeli settlers - but that is okay is it.
Well, as you should know, Gaza has a restriction on all products entering the area. They are in effect in a prison. They have restrictions on building supplies, food and medical supplies to name but three in normal times. During this war things have got worse, people are dieing from the lack of medical equipment / medicines.
If you haven't heard of the BDS movement against Israel, then you should have.
BDS = Boycotts Divestment Sanctions.
There is a massive public outcry against the actions of Israel worldwide, hence the BDS movement. Although you will not read about this in our media, it is big news around the world. Many companies are bowing down to public pressure.
If there were no restrictions there would be no need for the tunnels.
Contrary to our media, the tunnels primary use is to 'smuggle' into Gaza much needed supplies.
If there were no product restrictions there would be no need for tunnels.
Also, the last time I checked, it was a war crime if you targeted a civilian populated area, you cannot compare Hamas to the IDF.
There are many ways to support the Palestinians, one such charity is MAP (Medical Aid for Palestinians).

Score: 0

southy
12:14pm Sun 24 Aug 14

forest hump wrote…

Cyber__Fug wrote…

WarwickNights wrote…

Why are all the people saying "Why are they not protesting against ISIS?" not actually doing this themselves? i.e. getting off their backsides and protesting against ISIS

Apart from the obvious religious stance, it doesn't look there is a great deal of difference between the EU & ISIS..... Both are a colonisation of similarly minded people being run on a dictatorship style basis.

Of course there is a difference you blithering idiot! The EU might be the biggest con of the century but it does not fire rockets across borders or attempt to infiltrate through tunnels.

No what they do is destablise a country that will not play ball, Like in the Ukraine between the USA and UK government contractors Blackwater and G4 there is over 400 merc's fighting with the Fascist Army.

[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]WarwickNights[/bold] wrote:
Why are all the people saying "Why are they not protesting against ISIS?" not actually doing this themselves? i.e. getting off their backsides and protesting against ISIS[/p][/quote]Apart from the obvious religious stance, it doesn't look there is a great deal of difference between the EU & ISIS..... Both are a colonisation of similarly minded people being run on a dictatorship style basis.[/p][/quote]Of course there is a difference you blithering idiot! The EU might be the biggest con of the century but it does not fire rockets across borders or attempt to infiltrate through tunnels.[/p][/quote]No what they do is destablise a country that will not play ball, Like in the Ukraine between the USA and UK government contractors Blackwater and G4 there is over 400 merc's fighting with the Fascist Army.southy

forest hump wrote…

Cyber__Fug wrote…

WarwickNights wrote…

Why are all the people saying "Why are they not protesting against ISIS?" not actually doing this themselves? i.e. getting off their backsides and protesting against ISIS

Apart from the obvious religious stance, it doesn't look there is a great deal of difference between the EU & ISIS..... Both are a colonisation of similarly minded people being run on a dictatorship style basis.

Of course there is a difference you blithering idiot! The EU might be the biggest con of the century but it does not fire rockets across borders or attempt to infiltrate through tunnels.

No what they do is destablise a country that will not play ball, Like in the Ukraine between the USA and UK government contractors Blackwater and G4 there is over 400 merc's fighting with the Fascist Army.

Score: -3

yellowhedgepig
4:06pm Sat 23 Aug 14

Any of them marching in disgust at the emergence of ISIS or the cowardly murder of the American journalist......No thought not

Any of them marching in disgust at the emergence of ISIS or the cowardly murder of the American journalist......No thought notyellowhedgepig

Any of them marching in disgust at the emergence of ISIS or the cowardly murder of the American journalist......No thought not

Score: 31

BeyondImagination
4:28pm Sat 23 Aug 14

Stop firing rockets. In the west Israel gains more sympathy with every rocket fired by the Palestinians. That may not seem just but non violence is the only way to achieve peace.

Stop firing rockets. In the west Israel gains more sympathy with every rocket fired by the Palestinians. That may not seem just but non violence is the only way to achieve peace.BeyondImagination

Stop firing rockets. In the west Israel gains more sympathy with every rocket fired by the Palestinians. That may not seem just but non violence is the only way to achieve peace.

Score: 10

Paramjit Bahia
4:17pm Sat 23 Aug 14

If there were oil fields in Gaza, especially owned by Western oil giants as in Khurd region of Iraq, Obama, Cameron and others of their ilk would have protected Gaza. But unfortunately poor Palistinian people have nothing, whatever little they had was grabbed by the Zionist dominated Israel with the blessings of United Nations.

If there were oil fields in Gaza, especially owned by Western oil giants as in Khurd region of Iraq, Obama, Cameron and others of their ilk would have protected Gaza. But unfortunately poor Palistinian people have nothing, whatever little they had was grabbed by the Zionist dominated Israel with the blessings of United Nations.Paramjit Bahia

If there were oil fields in Gaza, especially owned by Western oil giants as in Khurd region of Iraq, Obama, Cameron and others of their ilk would have protected Gaza. But unfortunately poor Palistinian people have nothing, whatever little they had was grabbed by the Zionist dominated Israel with the blessings of United Nations.

Score: -14

IronLady2010
4:17pm Sat 23 Aug 14

A hundred people March in Southampton, the worrying thing is where are the thousands?

A hundred people March in Southampton, the worrying thing is where are the thousands?IronLady2010

A hundred people March in Southampton, the worrying thing is where are the thousands?

Score: -8

Kirsty666
4:23pm Sat 23 Aug 14

Here we go again I'm getting tired of reading this every week

Here we go again I'm getting tired of reading this every weekKirsty666

Here we go again I'm getting tired of reading this every week

Score: -2

Heinz Kiosk
5:59pm Sat 23 Aug 14

What on earth is Socialist Worker (placard to left of picture) doing in this? Do they now support a theocracy in Palestine or just the usual SW sh*t- stirring?

What on earth is Socialist Worker (placard to left of picture) doing in this? Do they now support a theocracy in Palestine or just the usual SW sh*t- stirring?Heinz Kiosk

What on earth is Socialist Worker (placard to left of picture) doing in this? Do they now support a theocracy in Palestine or just the usual SW sh*t- stirring?

Score: 3

Chris storey
5:47pm Sat 23 Aug 14

So they elect a terrorist organization as their government, who then proceed to fire rockets at Israel with the intention wiping Israel off the map, Israel retaliates by breaking lots of things in Gaza and now they want us to pay for it to be fixed, AGAIN!
Non of the other muslim states want to know so why should we pay for it?

So they elect a terrorist organization as their government, who then proceed to fire rockets at Israel with the intention wiping Israel off the map, Israel retaliates by breaking lots of things in Gaza and now they want us to pay for it to be fixed, AGAIN!
Non of the other muslim states want to know so why should we pay for it?Chris storey

So they elect a terrorist organization as their government, who then proceed to fire rockets at Israel with the intention wiping Israel off the map, Israel retaliates by breaking lots of things in Gaza and now they want us to pay for it to be fixed, AGAIN!
Non of the other muslim states want to know so why should we pay for it?

Score: 10

saint188
6:53pm Sat 23 Aug 14

Why are they not protesting about ISIS and the Internet video of a Western journalist being beheaded ! Why are they not protesting at the rape of under age girls, and the lack of education, and the execution on non Muslims!!!!!!!!!!!!!
! I rest my case , fair play to Israel and if you want to protest about Palestine then tell the terrorist organisation running Gazza to stop firing rockets into Israel, and then just then you might be able to sit down like civilized adults and come to a solution!

Why are they not protesting about ISIS and the Internet video of a Western journalist being beheaded ! Why are they not protesting at the rape of under age girls, and the lack of education, and the execution on non Muslims!!!!!!!!!!!!!
! I rest my case , fair play to Israel and if you want to protest about Palestine then tell the terrorist organisation running Gazza to stop firing rockets into Israel, and then just then you might be able to sit down like civilized adults and come to a solution!saint188

Why are they not protesting about ISIS and the Internet video of a Western journalist being beheaded ! Why are they not protesting at the rape of under age girls, and the lack of education, and the execution on non Muslims!!!!!!!!!!!!!
! I rest my case , fair play to Israel and if you want to protest about Palestine then tell the terrorist organisation running Gazza to stop firing rockets into Israel, and then just then you might be able to sit down like civilized adults and come to a solution!

Score: 21

BeyondImagination
6:55pm Sat 23 Aug 14

Paramjit Bahia wrote…

If there were oil fields in Gaza, especially owned by Western oil giants as in Khurd region of Iraq, Obama, Cameron and others of their ilk would have protected Gaza. But unfortunately poor Palistinian people have nothing, whatever little they had was grabbed by the Zionist dominated Israel with the blessings of United Nations.

There aren't any oilfields in Israel. The country has a highly successful industrial and technical based economy despite few natural resources. When the oil runs out, what will happen to the rich Islamic states then?

[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote:
If there were oil fields in Gaza, especially owned by Western oil giants as in Khurd region of Iraq, Obama, Cameron and others of their ilk would have protected Gaza. But unfortunately poor Palistinian people have nothing, whatever little they had was grabbed by the Zionist dominated Israel with the blessings of United Nations.[/p][/quote]There aren't any oilfields in Israel. The country has a highly successful industrial and technical based economy despite few natural resources. When the oil runs out, what will happen to the rich Islamic states then?BeyondImagination

Paramjit Bahia wrote…

If there were oil fields in Gaza, especially owned by Western oil giants as in Khurd region of Iraq, Obama, Cameron and others of their ilk would have protected Gaza. But unfortunately poor Palistinian people have nothing, whatever little they had was grabbed by the Zionist dominated Israel with the blessings of United Nations.

There aren't any oilfields in Israel. The country has a highly successful industrial and technical based economy despite few natural resources. When the oil runs out, what will happen to the rich Islamic states then?

Score: 15

peter sowerby
10:22pm Sat 23 Aug 14

The zionist war and propaganda machine turned the Paliestine land into a Israeli controlled concentration camp long before the Gaza and Hamas problems. Unfortunately they democratically elected Hamas to represent them in Gaza, resulting in no chance of any peace talks as it suits both sides to continue fighting each other.

The zionist war and propaganda machine turned the Paliestine land into a Israeli controlled concentration camp long before the Gaza and Hamas problems. Unfortunately they democratically elected Hamas to represent them in Gaza, resulting in no chance of any peace talks as it suits both sides to continue fighting each other.peter sowerby

The zionist war and propaganda machine turned the Paliestine land into a Israeli controlled concentration camp long before the Gaza and Hamas problems. Unfortunately they democratically elected Hamas to represent them in Gaza, resulting in no chance of any peace talks as it suits both sides to continue fighting each other.

Score: 2

Burt HInkler
7:10pm Sat 23 Aug 14

I think we should all look at some of these march organisers and their extremist beliefs. One in particular this week shared a Facebook video suggesting that the american journalist wasnt beheaded and it was nothing more than a hoax to increase US attacks in Iraq ! This wrongun also shares another video saying that 9 11 attacks on the WTC was done by Israelis.

These free palestine idiots clearly have a total religious hatred of Jews.

I think we should all look at some of these march organisers and their extremist beliefs. One in particular this week shared a Facebook video suggesting that the american journalist wasnt beheaded and it was nothing more than a hoax to increase US attacks in Iraq ! This wrongun also shares another video saying that 9 11 attacks on the WTC was done by Israelis.
These free palestine idiots clearly have a total religious hatred of Jews.Burt HInkler

I think we should all look at some of these march organisers and their extremist beliefs. One in particular this week shared a Facebook video suggesting that the american journalist wasnt beheaded and it was nothing more than a hoax to increase US attacks in Iraq ! This wrongun also shares another video saying that 9 11 attacks on the WTC was done by Israelis.

These free palestine idiots clearly have a total religious hatred of Jews.

Score: -4

forest hump
7:15pm Sat 23 Aug 14

BeyondImagination wrote…

Paramjit Bahia wrote…

If there were oil fields in Gaza, especially owned by Western oil giants as in Khurd region of Iraq, Obama, Cameron and others of their ilk would have protected Gaza. But unfortunately poor Palistinian people have nothing, whatever little they had was grabbed by the Zionist dominated Israel with the blessings of United Nations.

There aren't any oilfields in Israel. The country has a highly successful industrial and technical based economy despite few natural resources. When the oil runs out, what will happen to the rich Islamic states then?

Don't waste your breath. Paramjit is in the same club as Southy. Blinkered, ill informed lefty.

[quote][p][bold]BeyondImagination[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote:
If there were oil fields in Gaza, especially owned by Western oil giants as in Khurd region of Iraq, Obama, Cameron and others of their ilk would have protected Gaza. But unfortunately poor Palistinian people have nothing, whatever little they had was grabbed by the Zionist dominated Israel with the blessings of United Nations.[/p][/quote]There aren't any oilfields in Israel. The country has a highly successful industrial and technical based economy despite few natural resources. When the oil runs out, what will happen to the rich Islamic states then?[/p][/quote]Don't waste your breath. Paramjit is in the same club as Southy. Blinkered, ill informed lefty.forest hump

BeyondImagination wrote…

Paramjit Bahia wrote…

If there were oil fields in Gaza, especially owned by Western oil giants as in Khurd region of Iraq, Obama, Cameron and others of their ilk would have protected Gaza. But unfortunately poor Palistinian people have nothing, whatever little they had was grabbed by the Zionist dominated Israel with the blessings of United Nations.

There aren't any oilfields in Israel. The country has a highly successful industrial and technical based economy despite few natural resources. When the oil runs out, what will happen to the rich Islamic states then?

Don't waste your breath. Paramjit is in the same club as Southy. Blinkered, ill informed lefty.

Score: 7

Stubs
7:20pm Sat 23 Aug 14

I saw about 5 people marching and that I wouldn't say marching. It looked as though it was more of a pub cruel with some one holding a sign that looked as if it was made 5 minutes before the march.

I saw about 5 people marching and that I wouldn't say marching. It looked as though it was more of a pub cruel with some one holding a sign that looked as if it was made 5 minutes before the march.Stubs

I saw about 5 people marching and that I wouldn't say marching. It looked as though it was more of a pub cruel with some one holding a sign that looked as if it was made 5 minutes before the march.

Score: -4

BeyondImagination
7:23pm Sat 23 Aug 14

forest hump wrote…

BeyondImagination wrote…

Paramjit Bahia wrote…

If there were oil fields in Gaza, especially owned by Western oil giants as in Khurd region of Iraq, Obama, Cameron and others of their ilk would have protected Gaza. But unfortunately poor Palistinian people have nothing, whatever little they had was grabbed by the Zionist dominated Israel with the blessings of United Nations.

There aren't any oilfields in Israel. The country has a highly successful industrial and technical based economy despite few natural resources. When the oil runs out, what will happen to the rich Islamic states then?

Don't waste your breath. Paramjit is in the same club as Southy. Blinkered, ill informed lefty.

I like Southy. Makes me laugh. I need something with all the evil in the name of religion that is presented to us every day.

[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]BeyondImagination[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote:
If there were oil fields in Gaza, especially owned by Western oil giants as in Khurd region of Iraq, Obama, Cameron and others of their ilk would have protected Gaza. But unfortunately poor Palistinian people have nothing, whatever little they had was grabbed by the Zionist dominated Israel with the blessings of United Nations.[/p][/quote]There aren't any oilfields in Israel. The country has a highly successful industrial and technical based economy despite few natural resources. When the oil runs out, what will happen to the rich Islamic states then?[/p][/quote]Don't waste your breath. Paramjit is in the same club as Southy. Blinkered, ill informed lefty.[/p][/quote]I like Southy. Makes me laugh. I need something with all the evil in the name of religion that is presented to us every day.BeyondImagination

forest hump wrote…

BeyondImagination wrote…

Paramjit Bahia wrote…

If there were oil fields in Gaza, especially owned by Western oil giants as in Khurd region of Iraq, Obama, Cameron and others of their ilk would have protected Gaza. But unfortunately poor Palistinian people have nothing, whatever little they had was grabbed by the Zionist dominated Israel with the blessings of United Nations.

There aren't any oilfields in Israel. The country has a highly successful industrial and technical based economy despite few natural resources. When the oil runs out, what will happen to the rich Islamic states then?

Don't waste your breath. Paramjit is in the same club as Southy. Blinkered, ill informed lefty.

I like Southy. Makes me laugh. I need something with all the evil in the name of religion that is presented to us every day.

Score: 8

Valentine11
7:41pm Sat 23 Aug 14

Oh you poor people. Hamas as done their job in you believing that all these people have been killed. The media have been telling you lies, and you all believe it. If rockets were being fired to the UK, would you expect your government to protect you? yes of course you would. Israel has the right to defend itself. They have all along asked the Palestine's to move out and that they will be firing rockets, but Hamas put them in the line of fire, they (Hamas) are killing their own people, which is so so sad. Did you not see that Hamas executed 18 people today, because they wanted freedom and help from Israel....Open your eyes people, things are happening in this country that is scary...

Oh you poor people. Hamas as done their job in you believing that all these people have been killed. The media have been telling you lies, and you all believe it. If rockets were being fired to the UK, would you expect your government to protect you? yes of course you would. Israel has the right to defend itself. They have all along asked the Palestine's to move out and that they will be firing rockets, but Hamas put them in the line of fire, they (Hamas) are killing their own people, which is so so sad. Did you not see that Hamas executed 18 people today, because they wanted freedom and help from Israel....Open your eyes people, things are happening in this country that is scary...Valentine11

Oh you poor people. Hamas as done their job in you believing that all these people have been killed. The media have been telling you lies, and you all believe it. If rockets were being fired to the UK, would you expect your government to protect you? yes of course you would. Israel has the right to defend itself. They have all along asked the Palestine's to move out and that they will be firing rockets, but Hamas put them in the line of fire, they (Hamas) are killing their own people, which is so so sad. Did you not see that Hamas executed 18 people today, because they wanted freedom and help from Israel....Open your eyes people, things are happening in this country that is scary...

Score: 13

WarwickNights
8:30pm Sat 23 Aug 14

Why are all the people saying "Why are they not protesting against ISIS?" not actually doing this themselves? i.e. getting off their backsides and protesting against ISIS

Why are all the people saying "Why are they not protesting against ISIS?" not actually doing this themselves? i.e. getting off their backsides and protesting against ISISWarwickNights

Why are all the people saying "Why are they not protesting against ISIS?" not actually doing this themselves? i.e. getting off their backsides and protesting against ISIS

Score: 2

Cyber__Fug
7:44am Sun 24 Aug 14

WarwickNights wrote…

Why are all the people saying "Why are they not protesting against ISIS?" not actually doing this themselves? i.e. getting off their backsides and protesting against ISIS

Apart from the obvious religious stance, it doesn't look there is a great deal of difference between the EU & ISIS..... Both are a colonisation of similarly minded people being run on a dictatorship style basis.

[quote][p][bold]WarwickNights[/bold] wrote:
Why are all the people saying "Why are they not protesting against ISIS?" not actually doing this themselves? i.e. getting off their backsides and protesting against ISIS[/p][/quote]Apart from the obvious religious stance, it doesn't look there is a great deal of difference between the EU & ISIS..... Both are a colonisation of similarly minded people being run on a dictatorship style basis.Cyber__Fug

WarwickNights wrote…

Why are all the people saying "Why are they not protesting against ISIS?" not actually doing this themselves? i.e. getting off their backsides and protesting against ISIS

Apart from the obvious religious stance, it doesn't look there is a great deal of difference between the EU & ISIS..... Both are a colonisation of similarly minded people being run on a dictatorship style basis.

Score: 1

Paramjit Bahia
8:38pm Sat 23 Aug 14

Valentine11 wrote…

Oh you poor people. Hamas as done their job in you believing that all these people have been killed. The media have been telling you lies, and you all believe it. If rockets were being fired to the UK, would you expect your government to protect you? yes of course you would. Israel has the right to defend itself. They have all along asked the Palestine's to move out and that they will be firing rockets, but Hamas put them in the line of fire, they (Hamas) are killing their own people, which is so so sad. Did you not see that Hamas executed 18 people today, because they wanted freedom and help from Israel....Open your eyes people, things are happening in this country that is scary...

Very true. Hamas fires rockets from densely populated civilian areas. Even Indian TV station NDTV, which was sympathetic with Gaza ended up showing rockets being fired from are next to their crew's hotel. And a leader of Hamas has now bragged that they killed 3 Isreali youngsters, which started the latest conflict.

Sadly in this mess not only people of Israel but ordinary Palistinian people also suffer. They should be co-existing and living in peace.

Most of the problems are caused neither by ordinary Israeli folks not their equal numbers in Gaza and West Bank areas. But by likes of Hamas and Zionist elements on the other side.

But sadly on this website, many supposedly well informed contributors deliberately tend to blur the boundaries between Hamas and the rest of the ordinary people or tarnish every Israeli as Zionist. But what about the poor innocent children being killed on both sides?

Organisations like Hamas ans ISIS do not represent most Muslims, in fact vast majority of Muslims view them as threat to their communities. But who provides them financial support and all the arms?..... Mostly super rich well placed people in various Middle East nations who also badly treat and exploit their own people...... And who sells them arms which get handed over to likes of Hamas?..... Armsmanufactures including British sell all the weapons with the help of our other similar governments.

[quote][p][bold]Valentine11[/bold] wrote:
Oh you poor people. Hamas as done their job in you believing that all these people have been killed. The media have been telling you lies, and you all believe it. If rockets were being fired to the UK, would you expect your government to protect you? yes of course you would. Israel has the right to defend itself. They have all along asked the Palestine's to move out and that they will be firing rockets, but Hamas put them in the line of fire, they (Hamas) are killing their own people, which is so so sad. Did you not see that Hamas executed 18 people today, because they wanted freedom and help from Israel....Open your eyes people, things are happening in this country that is scary...[/p][/quote]Very true. Hamas fires rockets from densely populated civilian areas. Even Indian TV station NDTV, which was sympathetic with Gaza ended up showing rockets being fired from are next to their crew's hotel. And a leader of Hamas has now bragged that they killed 3 Isreali youngsters, which started the latest conflict.
Sadly in this mess not only people of Israel but ordinary Palistinian people also suffer. They should be co-existing and living in peace.
Most of the problems are caused neither by ordinary Israeli folks not their equal numbers in Gaza and West Bank areas. But by likes of Hamas and Zionist elements on the other side.
But sadly on this website, many supposedly well informed contributors deliberately tend to blur the boundaries between Hamas and the rest of the ordinary people or tarnish every Israeli as Zionist. But what about the poor innocent children being killed on both sides?
Organisations like Hamas ans ISIS do not represent most Muslims, in fact vast majority of Muslims view them as threat to their communities. But who provides them financial support and all the arms?..... Mostly super rich well placed people in various Middle East nations who also badly treat and exploit their own people...... And who sells them arms which get handed over to likes of Hamas?..... Armsmanufactures including British sell all the weapons with the help of our other similar governments.Paramjit Bahia

Valentine11 wrote…

Oh you poor people. Hamas as done their job in you believing that all these people have been killed. The media have been telling you lies, and you all believe it. If rockets were being fired to the UK, would you expect your government to protect you? yes of course you would. Israel has the right to defend itself. They have all along asked the Palestine's to move out and that they will be firing rockets, but Hamas put them in the line of fire, they (Hamas) are killing their own people, which is so so sad. Did you not see that Hamas executed 18 people today, because they wanted freedom and help from Israel....Open your eyes people, things are happening in this country that is scary...

Very true. Hamas fires rockets from densely populated civilian areas. Even Indian TV station NDTV, which was sympathetic with Gaza ended up showing rockets being fired from are next to their crew's hotel. And a leader of Hamas has now bragged that they killed 3 Isreali youngsters, which started the latest conflict.

Sadly in this mess not only people of Israel but ordinary Palistinian people also suffer. They should be co-existing and living in peace.

Most of the problems are caused neither by ordinary Israeli folks not their equal numbers in Gaza and West Bank areas. But by likes of Hamas and Zionist elements on the other side.

But sadly on this website, many supposedly well informed contributors deliberately tend to blur the boundaries between Hamas and the rest of the ordinary people or tarnish every Israeli as Zionist. But what about the poor innocent children being killed on both sides?

Organisations like Hamas ans ISIS do not represent most Muslims, in fact vast majority of Muslims view them as threat to their communities. But who provides them financial support and all the arms?..... Mostly super rich well placed people in various Middle East nations who also badly treat and exploit their own people...... And who sells them arms which get handed over to likes of Hamas?..... Armsmanufactures including British sell all the weapons with the help of our other similar governments.

Score: -3

tootle
9:29pm Sat 23 Aug 14

Just what good are they doing "marching" through Southampton. Gaxa, Iraq, Syria, Ukraine all seem to be permanently on TV. We do not need reminding of any of them. Visiting your MP, emailing your MP, writing to your MP may or may not do more - at least he'll have something to read on his hols. A few people marching in our little City is not going to do anything to raise interest or promote the cause nationally.

Besides which if they don't like presumably innocent people being killed why aren't they protesting about Iraq as well?

There are no easy answers just violent thugs on all sides of the political and religious divide all over our world. If we protest who do we protest against or to, if we join in we become the violent thug, if we turn the other cheek we are just as culpable. No easy answers.

Just what good are they doing "marching" through Southampton. Gaxa, Iraq, Syria, Ukraine all seem to be permanently on TV. We do not need reminding of any of them. Visiting your MP, emailing your MP, writing to your MP may or may not do more - at least he'll have something to read on his hols. A few people marching in our little City is not going to do anything to raise interest or promote the cause nationally.
Besides which if they don't like presumably innocent people being killed why aren't they protesting about Iraq as well?
There are no easy answers just violent thugs on all sides of the political and religious divide all over our world. If we protest who do we protest against or to, if we join in we become the violent thug, if we turn the other cheek we are just as culpable. No easy answers.tootle

Just what good are they doing "marching" through Southampton. Gaxa, Iraq, Syria, Ukraine all seem to be permanently on TV. We do not need reminding of any of them. Visiting your MP, emailing your MP, writing to your MP may or may not do more - at least he'll have something to read on his hols. A few people marching in our little City is not going to do anything to raise interest or promote the cause nationally.

Besides which if they don't like presumably innocent people being killed why aren't they protesting about Iraq as well?

There are no easy answers just violent thugs on all sides of the political and religious divide all over our world. If we protest who do we protest against or to, if we join in we become the violent thug, if we turn the other cheek we are just as culpable. No easy answers.

Score: 4

[deleted]
9:20pm Sat 23 Aug 14

[deleted]

Blair & Bush should never have poked their stick in the middle eastern 'honey pot'.
It now seems that the entire mess out there is all our fault.
Islam is always bleating on about peace & such, but I ain't seen nothing but hatred from Islam.
We will now have a bunch of 'moronic' Muslim idiots coming back here from Syria & Iraq & we now have to protect ourselves from these mindless deluded Islamic idiots.
The only thing affected when they march through town is a distinct lack of anywhere to buy a flippin' 'doner' kebab :(Popcorn Sutton

Blair & Bush should never have poked their stick in the middle eastern 'honey pot'.
It now seems that the entire mess out there is all our fault.
Islam is always bleating on about peace & such, but I ain't seen nothing but hatred from Islam.
We will now have a bunch of 'moronic' Muslim idiots coming back here from Syria & Iraq & we now have to protect ourselves from these mindless deluded Islamic idiots.
The only thing affected when they march through town is a distinct lack of anywhere to buy a flippin' 'doner' kebab :(

Score: 3

solomum
10:19pm Sat 23 Aug 14

Stubs wrote…

I saw about 5 people marching and that I wouldn't say marching. It looked as though it was more of a pub cruel with some one holding a sign that looked as if it was made 5 minutes before the march.

Then you obviously saw someone on the way to the march. There were a lot of people outside the BBC studio when I went past, including children. That did disturb me as children do not need to be troubled by all the goings on in the world.

[quote][p][bold]Stubs[/bold] wrote:
I saw about 5 people marching and that I wouldn't say marching. It looked as though it was more of a pub cruel with some one holding a sign that looked as if it was made 5 minutes before the march.[/p][/quote]Then you obviously saw someone on the way to the march. There were a lot of people outside the BBC studio when I went past, including children. That did disturb me as children do not need to be troubled by all the goings on in the world.solomum

Stubs wrote…

I saw about 5 people marching and that I wouldn't say marching. It looked as though it was more of a pub cruel with some one holding a sign that looked as if it was made 5 minutes before the march.

Then you obviously saw someone on the way to the march. There were a lot of people outside the BBC studio when I went past, including children. That did disturb me as children do not need to be troubled by all the goings on in the world.

Score: 6

riverbanks
8:38am Sun 24 Aug 14

I feel bad for all the civilians out there, but if it was England would they help us? Hell no. There's enough problems in England that aren't being dealt with.

I feel bad for all the civilians out there, but if it was England would they help us? Hell no. There's enough problems in England that aren't being dealt with.riverbanks

I feel bad for all the civilians out there, but if it was England would they help us? Hell no. There's enough problems in England that aren't being dealt with.

Score: 2

190385saints
7:46am Sun 24 Aug 14

saint188 wrote…

Why are they not protesting about ISIS and the Internet video of a Western journalist being beheaded ! Why are they not protesting at the rape of under age girls, and the lack of education, and the execution on non Muslims!!!!!!!!!!!!!

! I rest my case , fair play to Israel and if you want to protest about Palestine then tell the terrorist organisation running Gazza to stop firing rockets into Israel, and then just then you might be able to sit down like civilized adults and come to a solution!

So your tar all Muslims with the same brush. Do you think they support Isis? Do all British people support the BNP? Your remarks are toyallu ignorant and offensive. Gaza is an open air prison and its population is being slaughtered.

[quote][p][bold]saint188[/bold] wrote:
Why are they not protesting about ISIS and the Internet video of a Western journalist being beheaded ! Why are they not protesting at the rape of under age girls, and the lack of education, and the execution on non Muslims!!!!!!!!!!!!!
! I rest my case , fair play to Israel and if you want to protest about Palestine then tell the terrorist organisation running Gazza to stop firing rockets into Israel, and then just then you might be able to sit down like civilized adults and come to a solution![/p][/quote]So your tar all Muslims with the same brush. Do you think they support Isis? Do all British people support the BNP? Your remarks are toyallu ignorant and offensive. Gaza is an open air prison and its population is being slaughtered.190385saints

saint188 wrote…

Why are they not protesting about ISIS and the Internet video of a Western journalist being beheaded ! Why are they not protesting at the rape of under age girls, and the lack of education, and the execution on non Muslims!!!!!!!!!!!!!

! I rest my case , fair play to Israel and if you want to protest about Palestine then tell the terrorist organisation running Gazza to stop firing rockets into Israel, and then just then you might be able to sit down like civilized adults and come to a solution!

So your tar all Muslims with the same brush. Do you think they support Isis? Do all British people support the BNP? Your remarks are toyallu ignorant and offensive. Gaza is an open air prison and its population is being slaughtered.

Score: -1

skeptik
7:58am Sun 24 Aug 14

'What will they do when the oil runs out?' Hence buying up much of UK Plc and other assets. As for why are they not protesting against? Folk have differing views that affect them or their thinking. When you have to deal with terrorists on both sides of a divide in another 'trouble' and you hear 'this is a problem of 800 years and talk of Cromwell the 'murderer'. To most of us that is a history lesson too far. Perceived injustices are indeed part of world history and the 'lessons' of the past are drummed into each generation with recent 'injustices' given as proof of the past We can stand aloof and say what on earth are they talking about - however, it is real to them. Soldiers often wonder why we can find vast sums of money to destroy and then to rebuild when the money could have been used in the first place to assist in joining the world of trade and commerce.

'What will they do when the oil runs out?' Hence buying up much of UK Plc and other assets. As for why are they not protesting against? Folk have differing views that affect them or their thinking. When you have to deal with terrorists on both sides of a divide in another 'trouble' and you hear 'this is a problem of 800 years and talk of Cromwell the 'murderer'. To most of us that is a history lesson too far. Perceived injustices are indeed part of world history and the 'lessons' of the past are drummed into each generation with recent 'injustices' given as proof of the past We can stand aloof and say what on earth are they talking about - however, it is real to them. Soldiers often wonder why we can find vast sums of money to destroy and then to rebuild when the money could have been used in the first place to assist in joining the world of trade and commerce.skeptik

'What will they do when the oil runs out?' Hence buying up much of UK Plc and other assets. As for why are they not protesting against? Folk have differing views that affect them or their thinking. When you have to deal with terrorists on both sides of a divide in another 'trouble' and you hear 'this is a problem of 800 years and talk of Cromwell the 'murderer'. To most of us that is a history lesson too far. Perceived injustices are indeed part of world history and the 'lessons' of the past are drummed into each generation with recent 'injustices' given as proof of the past We can stand aloof and say what on earth are they talking about - however, it is real to them. Soldiers often wonder why we can find vast sums of money to destroy and then to rebuild when the money could have been used in the first place to assist in joining the world of trade and commerce.

Score: 0

skeptik
8:03am Sun 24 Aug 14

My late father a pre wartime regular - a true cynic - suggested that we had the same god on our side as did the enemy. Later in his life he suggested that at least now we have different gods fighting each other. 'Nearer to god they got the more barbaric they appeared to be'. - His words!

My late father a pre wartime regular - a true cynic - suggested that we had the same god on our side as did the enemy. Later in his life he suggested that at least now we have different gods fighting each other. 'Nearer to god they got the more barbaric they appeared to be'. - His words!skeptik

My late father a pre wartime regular - a true cynic - suggested that we had the same god on our side as did the enemy. Later in his life he suggested that at least now we have different gods fighting each other. 'Nearer to god they got the more barbaric they appeared to be'. - His words!

Score: 0

forest hump
11:27am Sun 24 Aug 14

BeyondImagination wrote…

forest hump wrote…

BeyondImagination wrote…

Paramjit Bahia wrote…

If there were oil fields in Gaza, especially owned by Western oil giants as in Khurd region of Iraq, Obama, Cameron and others of their ilk would have protected Gaza. But unfortunately poor Palistinian people have nothing, whatever little they had was grabbed by the Zionist dominated Israel with the blessings of United Nations.

There aren't any oilfields in Israel. The country has a highly successful industrial and technical based economy despite few natural resources. When the oil runs out, what will happen to the rich Islamic states then?

Don't waste your breath. Paramjit is in the same club as Southy. Blinkered, ill informed lefty.

I like Southy. Makes me laugh. I need something with all the evil in the name of religion that is presented to us every day.

He is quite funny. Almost too funny to be real!

[quote][p][bold]BeyondImagination[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]BeyondImagination[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote:
If there were oil fields in Gaza, especially owned by Western oil giants as in Khurd region of Iraq, Obama, Cameron and others of their ilk would have protected Gaza. But unfortunately poor Palistinian people have nothing, whatever little they had was grabbed by the Zionist dominated Israel with the blessings of United Nations.[/p][/quote]There aren't any oilfields in Israel. The country has a highly successful industrial and technical based economy despite few natural resources. When the oil runs out, what will happen to the rich Islamic states then?[/p][/quote]Don't waste your breath. Paramjit is in the same club as Southy. Blinkered, ill informed lefty.[/p][/quote]I like Southy. Makes me laugh. I need something with all the evil in the name of religion that is presented to us every day.[/p][/quote]He is quite funny. Almost too funny to be real!forest hump

BeyondImagination wrote…

forest hump wrote…

BeyondImagination wrote…

Paramjit Bahia wrote…

If there were oil fields in Gaza, especially owned by Western oil giants as in Khurd region of Iraq, Obama, Cameron and others of their ilk would have protected Gaza. But unfortunately poor Palistinian people have nothing, whatever little they had was grabbed by the Zionist dominated Israel with the blessings of United Nations.

There aren't any oilfields in Israel. The country has a highly successful industrial and technical based economy despite few natural resources. When the oil runs out, what will happen to the rich Islamic states then?

Don't waste your breath. Paramjit is in the same club as Southy. Blinkered, ill informed lefty.

I like Southy. Makes me laugh. I need something with all the evil in the name of religion that is presented to us every day.

He is quite funny. Almost too funny to be real!

Score: 1

forest hump
11:33am Sun 24 Aug 14

Cyber__Fug wrote…

WarwickNights wrote…

Why are all the people saying "Why are they not protesting against ISIS?" not actually doing this themselves? i.e. getting off their backsides and protesting against ISIS

Apart from the obvious religious stance, it doesn't look there is a great deal of difference between the EU & ISIS..... Both are a colonisation of similarly minded people being run on a dictatorship style basis.

Of course there is a difference you blithering idiot! The EU might be the biggest con of the century but it does not fire rockets across borders or attempt to infiltrate through tunnels.

[quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]WarwickNights[/bold] wrote:
Why are all the people saying "Why are they not protesting against ISIS?" not actually doing this themselves? i.e. getting off their backsides and protesting against ISIS[/p][/quote]Apart from the obvious religious stance, it doesn't look there is a great deal of difference between the EU & ISIS..... Both are a colonisation of similarly minded people being run on a dictatorship style basis.[/p][/quote]Of course there is a difference you blithering idiot! The EU might be the biggest con of the century but it does not fire rockets across borders or attempt to infiltrate through tunnels.forest hump

Cyber__Fug wrote…

WarwickNights wrote…

Why are all the people saying "Why are they not protesting against ISIS?" not actually doing this themselves? i.e. getting off their backsides and protesting against ISIS

Apart from the obvious religious stance, it doesn't look there is a great deal of difference between the EU & ISIS..... Both are a colonisation of similarly minded people being run on a dictatorship style basis.

Of course there is a difference you blithering idiot! The EU might be the biggest con of the century but it does not fire rockets across borders or attempt to infiltrate through tunnels.

Score: 3

southy
12:16pm Sun 24 Aug 14

BeyondImagination wrote…

Paramjit Bahia wrote…

If there were oil fields in Gaza, especially owned by Western oil giants as in Khurd region of Iraq, Obama, Cameron and others of their ilk would have protected Gaza. But unfortunately poor Palistinian people have nothing, whatever little they had was grabbed by the Zionist dominated Israel with the blessings of United Nations.

There aren't any oilfields in Israel. The country has a highly successful industrial and technical based economy despite few natural resources. When the oil runs out, what will happen to the rich Islamic states then?

Try reading what Paramjit as posted, he did say "If"

[quote][p][bold]BeyondImagination[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote:
If there were oil fields in Gaza, especially owned by Western oil giants as in Khurd region of Iraq, Obama, Cameron and others of their ilk would have protected Gaza. But unfortunately poor Palistinian people have nothing, whatever little they had was grabbed by the Zionist dominated Israel with the blessings of United Nations.[/p][/quote]There aren't any oilfields in Israel. The country has a highly successful industrial and technical based economy despite few natural resources. When the oil runs out, what will happen to the rich Islamic states then?[/p][/quote]Try reading what Paramjit as posted, he did say "If"southy

BeyondImagination wrote…

Paramjit Bahia wrote…

If there were oil fields in Gaza, especially owned by Western oil giants as in Khurd region of Iraq, Obama, Cameron and others of their ilk would have protected Gaza. But unfortunately poor Palistinian people have nothing, whatever little they had was grabbed by the Zionist dominated Israel with the blessings of United Nations.

There aren't any oilfields in Israel. The country has a highly successful industrial and technical based economy despite few natural resources. When the oil runs out, what will happen to the rich Islamic states then?

Try reading what Paramjit as posted, he did say "If"

Score: -4

BeyondImagination
12:35pm Sun 24 Aug 14

forest hump wrote…

Cyber__Fug wrote…

WarwickNights wrote…

Why are all the people saying "Why are they not protesting against ISIS?" not actually doing this themselves? i.e. getting off their backsides and protesting against ISIS

Apart from the obvious religious stance, it doesn't look there is a great deal of difference between the EU & ISIS..... Both are a colonisation of similarly minded people being run on a dictatorship style basis.

Of course there is a difference you blithering idiot! The EU might be the biggest con of the century but it does not fire rockets across borders or attempt to infiltrate through tunnels.

Agree they don't fire rockets but not so sure about the tunnel.

[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]WarwickNights[/bold] wrote:
Why are all the people saying "Why are they not protesting against ISIS?" not actually doing this themselves? i.e. getting off their backsides and protesting against ISIS[/p][/quote]Apart from the obvious religious stance, it doesn't look there is a great deal of difference between the EU & ISIS..... Both are a colonisation of similarly minded people being run on a dictatorship style basis.[/p][/quote]Of course there is a difference you blithering idiot! The EU might be the biggest con of the century but it does not fire rockets across borders or attempt to infiltrate through tunnels.[/p][/quote]Agree they don't fire rockets but not so sure about the tunnel.BeyondImagination

forest hump wrote…

Cyber__Fug wrote…

WarwickNights wrote…

Why are all the people saying "Why are they not protesting against ISIS?" not actually doing this themselves? i.e. getting off their backsides and protesting against ISIS

Apart from the obvious religious stance, it doesn't look there is a great deal of difference between the EU & ISIS..... Both are a colonisation of similarly minded people being run on a dictatorship style basis.

Of course there is a difference you blithering idiot! The EU might be the biggest con of the century but it does not fire rockets across borders or attempt to infiltrate through tunnels.

Agree they don't fire rockets but not so sure about the tunnel.

Score: -1

forest hump
3:11pm Sun 24 Aug 14

southy wrote…

forest hump wrote…

Cyber__Fug wrote…

WarwickNights wrote…

Why are all the people saying "Why are they not protesting against ISIS?" not actually doing this themselves? i.e. getting off their backsides and protesting against ISIS

Apart from the obvious religious stance, it doesn't look there is a great deal of difference between the EU & ISIS..... Both are a colonisation of similarly minded people being run on a dictatorship style basis.

Of course there is a difference you blithering idiot! The EU might be the biggest con of the century but it does not fire rockets across borders or attempt to infiltrate through tunnels.

No what they do is destablise a country that will not play ball, Like in the Ukraine between the USA and UK government contractors Blackwater and G4 there is over 400 merc's fighting with the Fascist Army.

Why do you make all this cr@p up?

[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]WarwickNights[/bold] wrote:
Why are all the people saying "Why are they not protesting against ISIS?" not actually doing this themselves? i.e. getting off their backsides and protesting against ISIS[/p][/quote]Apart from the obvious religious stance, it doesn't look there is a great deal of difference between the EU & ISIS..... Both are a colonisation of similarly minded people being run on a dictatorship style basis.[/p][/quote]Of course there is a difference you blithering idiot! The EU might be the biggest con of the century but it does not fire rockets across borders or attempt to infiltrate through tunnels.[/p][/quote]No what they do is destablise a country that will not play ball, Like in the Ukraine between the USA and UK government contractors Blackwater and G4 there is over 400 merc's fighting with the Fascist Army.[/p][/quote]Why do you make all this cr@p up?forest hump

southy wrote…

forest hump wrote…

Cyber__Fug wrote…

WarwickNights wrote…

Why are all the people saying "Why are they not protesting against ISIS?" not actually doing this themselves? i.e. getting off their backsides and protesting against ISIS

Apart from the obvious religious stance, it doesn't look there is a great deal of difference between the EU & ISIS..... Both are a colonisation of similarly minded people being run on a dictatorship style basis.

Of course there is a difference you blithering idiot! The EU might be the biggest con of the century but it does not fire rockets across borders or attempt to infiltrate through tunnels.

No what they do is destablise a country that will not play ball, Like in the Ukraine between the USA and UK government contractors Blackwater and G4 there is over 400 merc's fighting with the Fascist Army.

Why do you make all this cr@p up?

Score: 4

BeyondImagination
1:29pm Sun 24 Aug 14

southy wrote…

BeyondImagination wrote…

Paramjit Bahia wrote…

If there were oil fields in Gaza, especially owned by Western oil giants as in Khurd region of Iraq, Obama, Cameron and others of their ilk would have protected Gaza. But unfortunately poor Palistinian people have nothing, whatever little they had was grabbed by the Zionist dominated Israel with the blessings of United Nations.

There aren't any oilfields in Israel. The country has a highly successful industrial and technical based economy despite few natural resources. When the oil runs out, what will happen to the rich Islamic states then?

Try reading what Paramjit as posted, he did say "If"

You miss the point Southy. Israel has no oil yet is rich through the hard work of its citizens. If the Palestinians had put as much energy into their economy as they put into hating Jews they would be richer and safer.

[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]BeyondImagination[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote:
If there were oil fields in Gaza, especially owned by Western oil giants as in Khurd region of Iraq, Obama, Cameron and others of their ilk would have protected Gaza. But unfortunately poor Palistinian people have nothing, whatever little they had was grabbed by the Zionist dominated Israel with the blessings of United Nations.[/p][/quote]There aren't any oilfields in Israel. The country has a highly successful industrial and technical based economy despite few natural resources. When the oil runs out, what will happen to the rich Islamic states then?[/p][/quote]Try reading what Paramjit as posted, he did say "If"[/p][/quote]You miss the point Southy. Israel has no oil yet is rich through the hard work of its citizens. If the Palestinians had put as much energy into their economy as they put into hating Jews they would be richer and safer.BeyondImagination

southy wrote…

BeyondImagination wrote…

Paramjit Bahia wrote…

If there were oil fields in Gaza, especially owned by Western oil giants as in Khurd region of Iraq, Obama, Cameron and others of their ilk would have protected Gaza. But unfortunately poor Palistinian people have nothing, whatever little they had was grabbed by the Zionist dominated Israel with the blessings of United Nations.

There aren't any oilfields in Israel. The country has a highly successful industrial and technical based economy despite few natural resources. When the oil runs out, what will happen to the rich Islamic states then?

Try reading what Paramjit as posted, he did say "If"

You miss the point Southy. Israel has no oil yet is rich through the hard work of its citizens. If the Palestinians had put as much energy into their economy as they put into hating Jews they would be richer and safer.

Score: 4

forest hump
2:56pm Sun 24 Aug 14

BeyondImagination wrote…

forest hump wrote…

Cyber__Fug wrote…

WarwickNights wrote…

Why are all the people saying "Why are they not protesting against ISIS?" not actually doing this themselves? i.e. getting off their backsides and protesting against ISIS

Apart from the obvious religious stance, it doesn't look there is a great deal of difference between the EU & ISIS..... Both are a colonisation of similarly minded people being run on a dictatorship style basis.

Of course there is a difference you blithering idiot! The EU might be the biggest con of the century but it does not fire rockets across borders or attempt to infiltrate through tunnels.

Agree they don't fire rockets but not so sure about the tunnel.

There is the obvious tunnel of course but it is within (at the moment!)

[quote][p][bold]BeyondImagination[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]WarwickNights[/bold] wrote:
Why are all the people saying "Why are they not protesting against ISIS?" not actually doing this themselves? i.e. getting off their backsides and protesting against ISIS[/p][/quote]Apart from the obvious religious stance, it doesn't look there is a great deal of difference between the EU & ISIS..... Both are a colonisation of similarly minded people being run on a dictatorship style basis.[/p][/quote]Of course there is a difference you blithering idiot! The EU might be the biggest con of the century but it does not fire rockets across borders or attempt to infiltrate through tunnels.[/p][/quote]Agree they don't fire rockets but not so sure about the tunnel.[/p][/quote]There is the obvious tunnel of course but it is within (at the moment!)forest hump

BeyondImagination wrote…

forest hump wrote…

Cyber__Fug wrote…

WarwickNights wrote…

Why are all the people saying "Why are they not protesting against ISIS?" not actually doing this themselves? i.e. getting off their backsides and protesting against ISIS

Apart from the obvious religious stance, it doesn't look there is a great deal of difference between the EU & ISIS..... Both are a colonisation of similarly minded people being run on a dictatorship style basis.

Of course there is a difference you blithering idiot! The EU might be the biggest con of the century but it does not fire rockets across borders or attempt to infiltrate through tunnels.

Agree they don't fire rockets but not so sure about the tunnel.

There is the obvious tunnel of course but it is within (at the moment!)

Score: 0

Torchie1
3:24pm Sun 24 Aug 14

thesecrettruth.co.uk wrote…

Reading these comments is so frustrating.
Going by the negative feedback on the comments that make sense, it seems to me that a lot of people don't realise what is actually going on.
What Paramjit said is very true.
People only look at what is happening NOW and not what has lead up to this point.
Israel is an illegal occupier in the majority of the land in what IS Palestine.
The people of Gaza are being oppressed.
This is not by the Orthodox Jews, but being driven by the Zionist regime.
Many Orthodox Jews are against the Zionist movement.
The Palestinians have a right to resist occupation.
When Gaza resists what is being put on them, and Israel 'defends' itself, it makes my laugh.
Can the oppressor defend itself from the oppressed - the answer is NO - they should stop oppressing.
If and when there is a ceasefire, the Palestinians are still being targeted by the IDF, as in the case of Gaza, they have been for a very long time.
The west side of Gaza is open water which is patrolled by the Israeli Navy, there is normally a 6 mile exclusion zone, which recently has been reduced to 3 miles. Even when fishermen are not breaching the exclusion limit, they still risk being injured or killed by the Navy.
This is the same with people who venture near the 'border' of Gaza / Israel.
I've been following this since operation Castlead (2008/2009), this sort of thing happens too routinely, weekly if not at times daily, our media never reports on it, but the minute an Israeli gets injured or killed it is headline news.
One commenter mentioned about the Israelis being hard workers and if the Palestinians did the same.
I notice that produce is being sold around the world including the UK that was grown on Palestinian land which was stolen by Israeli settlers - but that is okay is it.
Well, as you should know, Gaza has a restriction on all products entering the area. They are in effect in a prison. They have restrictions on building supplies, food and medical supplies to name but three in normal times. During this war things have got worse, people are dieing from the lack of medical equipment / medicines.
If you haven't heard of the BDS movement against Israel, then you should have.
BDS = Boycotts Divestment Sanctions.
There is a massive public outcry against the actions of Israel worldwide, hence the BDS movement. Although you will not read about this in our media, it is big news around the world. Many companies are bowing down to public pressure.
If there were no restrictions there would be no need for the tunnels.
Contrary to our media, the tunnels primary use is to 'smuggle' into Gaza much needed supplies.
If there were no product restrictions there would be no need for tunnels.
Also, the last time I checked, it was a war crime if you targeted a civilian populated area, you cannot compare Hamas to the IDF.
There are many ways to support the Palestinians, one such charity is MAP (Medical Aid for Palestinians).

With open country available in Gaza, Hamas continue to cynically locate their rocket sites within heavily populated areas knowing that the response will kill their own people. You list the shortages within Gaza but one thing that never runs out is the constant supply of rocket building material which clearly can only come through the tunnels which would be better used for humanitarian supplies. Hamas don't care about the Gaza population or they would take steps to ease the suffering by either moving the launch sites or using the tunnels for humane purposes but they are on a mission to obliterate Israel with no regard for whose lives are paying the bill. As for you assertions about 'stolen' land, if the Arab uprising hadn't occurred after the UN declaration in 1948, Israel wouldn't have been handed the land on a plate as the borders changed following a war in the same way that they do in conflicts worldwide, and is currently happening in Ukraine. I feel sorry for the Palestinians but mostly because people won't let them make any sort of peace with their neighbour and Hamas supported by the 'useful idiots' demonstrating while safely distant from the problem are just as much to blame.

[quote][p][bold]thesecrettruth.co.uk[/bold] wrote:
Reading these comments is so frustrating.
Going by the negative feedback on the comments that make sense, it seems to me that a lot of people don't realise what is actually going on.
What Paramjit said is very true.
People only look at what is happening NOW and not what has lead up to this point.
Israel is an illegal occupier in the majority of the land in what IS Palestine.
The people of Gaza are being oppressed.
This is not by the Orthodox Jews, but being driven by the Zionist regime.
Many Orthodox Jews are against the Zionist movement.
The Palestinians have a right to resist occupation.
When Gaza resists what is being put on them, and Israel 'defends' itself, it makes my laugh.
Can the oppressor defend itself from the oppressed - the answer is NO - they should stop oppressing.
If and when there is a ceasefire, the Palestinians are still being targeted by the IDF, as in the case of Gaza, they have been for a very long time.
The west side of Gaza is open water which is patrolled by the Israeli Navy, there is normally a 6 mile exclusion zone, which recently has been reduced to 3 miles. Even when fishermen are not breaching the exclusion limit, they still risk being injured or killed by the Navy.
This is the same with people who venture near the 'border' of Gaza / Israel.
I've been following this since operation Castlead (2008/2009), this sort of thing happens too routinely, weekly if not at times daily, our media never reports on it, but the minute an Israeli gets injured or killed it is headline news.
One commenter mentioned about the Israelis being hard workers and if the Palestinians did the same.
I notice that produce is being sold around the world including the UK that was grown on Palestinian land which was stolen by Israeli settlers - but that is okay is it.
Well, as you should know, Gaza has a restriction on all products entering the area. They are in effect in a prison. They have restrictions on building supplies, food and medical supplies to name but three in normal times. During this war things have got worse, people are dieing from the lack of medical equipment / medicines.
If you haven't heard of the BDS movement against Israel, then you should have.
BDS = Boycotts Divestment Sanctions.
There is a massive public outcry against the actions of Israel worldwide, hence the BDS movement. Although you will not read about this in our media, it is big news around the world. Many companies are bowing down to public pressure.
If there were no restrictions there would be no need for the tunnels.
Contrary to our media, the tunnels primary use is to 'smuggle' into Gaza much needed supplies.
If there were no product restrictions there would be no need for tunnels.
Also, the last time I checked, it was a war crime if you targeted a civilian populated area, you cannot compare Hamas to the IDF.
There are many ways to support the Palestinians, one such charity is MAP (Medical Aid for Palestinians).[/p][/quote]With open country available in Gaza, Hamas continue to cynically locate their rocket sites within heavily populated areas knowing that the response will kill their own people. You list the shortages within Gaza but one thing that never runs out is the constant supply of rocket building material which clearly can only come through the tunnels which would be better used for humanitarian supplies. Hamas don't care about the Gaza population or they would take steps to ease the suffering by either moving the launch sites or using the tunnels for humane purposes but they are on a mission to obliterate Israel with no regard for whose lives are paying the bill. As for you assertions about 'stolen' land, if the Arab uprising hadn't occurred after the UN declaration in 1948, Israel wouldn't have been handed the land on a plate as the borders changed following a war in the same way that they do in conflicts worldwide, and is currently happening in Ukraine. I feel sorry for the Palestinians but mostly because people won't let them make any sort of peace with their neighbour and Hamas supported by the 'useful idiots' demonstrating while safely distant from the problem are just as much to blame.Torchie1

thesecrettruth.co.uk wrote…

Reading these comments is so frustrating.
Going by the negative feedback on the comments that make sense, it seems to me that a lot of people don't realise what is actually going on.
What Paramjit said is very true.
People only look at what is happening NOW and not what has lead up to this point.
Israel is an illegal occupier in the majority of the land in what IS Palestine.
The people of Gaza are being oppressed.
This is not by the Orthodox Jews, but being driven by the Zionist regime.
Many Orthodox Jews are against the Zionist movement.
The Palestinians have a right to resist occupation.
When Gaza resists what is being put on them, and Israel 'defends' itself, it makes my laugh.
Can the oppressor defend itself from the oppressed - the answer is NO - they should stop oppressing.
If and when there is a ceasefire, the Palestinians are still being targeted by the IDF, as in the case of Gaza, they have been for a very long time.
The west side of Gaza is open water which is patrolled by the Israeli Navy, there is normally a 6 mile exclusion zone, which recently has been reduced to 3 miles. Even when fishermen are not breaching the exclusion limit, they still risk being injured or killed by the Navy.
This is the same with people who venture near the 'border' of Gaza / Israel.
I've been following this since operation Castlead (2008/2009), this sort of thing happens too routinely, weekly if not at times daily, our media never reports on it, but the minute an Israeli gets injured or killed it is headline news.
One commenter mentioned about the Israelis being hard workers and if the Palestinians did the same.
I notice that produce is being sold around the world including the UK that was grown on Palestinian land which was stolen by Israeli settlers - but that is okay is it.
Well, as you should know, Gaza has a restriction on all products entering the area. They are in effect in a prison. They have restrictions on building supplies, food and medical supplies to name but three in normal times. During this war things have got worse, people are dieing from the lack of medical equipment / medicines.
If you haven't heard of the BDS movement against Israel, then you should have.
BDS = Boycotts Divestment Sanctions.
There is a massive public outcry against the actions of Israel worldwide, hence the BDS movement. Although you will not read about this in our media, it is big news around the world. Many companies are bowing down to public pressure.
If there were no restrictions there would be no need for the tunnels.
Contrary to our media, the tunnels primary use is to 'smuggle' into Gaza much needed supplies.
If there were no product restrictions there would be no need for tunnels.
Also, the last time I checked, it was a war crime if you targeted a civilian populated area, you cannot compare Hamas to the IDF.
There are many ways to support the Palestinians, one such charity is MAP (Medical Aid for Palestinians).

With open country available in Gaza, Hamas continue to cynically locate their rocket sites within heavily populated areas knowing that the response will kill their own people. You list the shortages within Gaza but one thing that never runs out is the constant supply of rocket building material which clearly can only come through the tunnels which would be better used for humanitarian supplies. Hamas don't care about the Gaza population or they would take steps to ease the suffering by either moving the launch sites or using the tunnels for humane purposes but they are on a mission to obliterate Israel with no regard for whose lives are paying the bill. As for you assertions about 'stolen' land, if the Arab uprising hadn't occurred after the UN declaration in 1948, Israel wouldn't have been handed the land on a plate as the borders changed following a war in the same way that they do in conflicts worldwide, and is currently happening in Ukraine. I feel sorry for the Palestinians but mostly because people won't let them make any sort of peace with their neighbour and Hamas supported by the 'useful idiots' demonstrating while safely distant from the problem are just as much to blame.

Score: 2

Paramjit Bahia
5:52pm Sun 24 Aug 14

georgerm wrote…

Once again Mr Bahia puts his anti Jewish head on, but of course he has given up his Muslim faith, so we must believe him and then along comes Mr Thesechrttruth, fact Palestine was created by us Brits, Israel was given to the Jews by God. the same God we Christian's and Muslims believe in, they were push out and victimised by Christians and Muslims alike, killed in there millions by us civilised Christians and Muslims, Israel was given its on state in their own country, the Arabs refused to recognise the UN Charter, and attack Israel they attacked Israel 2 more times, the Israeli's are fighting annulation, they have every right to defend themselves, as an ex serviceman, I can tell you there is no such thing as over reacting in war, make no mistake this is a war. The Israelis had agreed that in return for giving Gaza to the Palestinians it was to be demilitarised, it was agreed by both parties, Hamas has broken that agreement repeatedly, for years since their existence, they have fired missile into Israel not caring who they kill. A point which really gets on my nerves, is this arms rubbish, trotted out every time, is we supplied these weapons to Arab country's so where to blame, The biggest supplier of arms to these country's is Russia and China, fact, tanks t54-55,t62,t80, which you saw in Iraq, Libya, Syria, APC Russian, aircraft, self propelled guns, mortars, rocket launchers, helicopters, scud missile, anti aircraft guns, anti aircraft missiles, RPG, rifles, Machine guns and Helicopters all Russian and Chinese, nearly every weapon that has been used in all these conflicts are Russian and Chinese " as any well trained serviceman in the Uk will tell you" but you won't say that because Russia and China don't give a dam what you think,

I wonder what substance have you may have consumed for hallucinating that I was ever follower of Muslim faith or ever hated Jews??????

Fact: I do not believe in any religion, but have always respected others right to follow any fictional mumbo jumbo of their own choice provided they don't try to force it on others like me and keep the consumtion of intoxicating stuff within the confines of their places of worship.

All the religious people should be making sure that the brand name of their religions can't be manipulated by evil elements for creating conflict or even wars.

[quote][p][bold]georgerm[/bold] wrote:
Once again Mr Bahia puts his anti Jewish head on, but of course he has given up his Muslim faith, so we must believe him and then along comes Mr Thesechrttruth, fact Palestine was created by us Brits, Israel was given to the Jews by God. the same God we Christian's and Muslims believe in, they were push out and victimised by Christians and Muslims alike, killed in there millions by us civilised Christians and Muslims, Israel was given its on state in their own country, the Arabs refused to recognise the UN Charter, and attack Israel they attacked Israel 2 more times, the Israeli's are fighting annulation, they have every right to defend themselves, as an ex serviceman, I can tell you there is no such thing as over reacting in war, make no mistake this is a war. The Israelis had agreed that in return for giving Gaza to the Palestinians it was to be demilitarised, it was agreed by both parties, Hamas has broken that agreement repeatedly, for years since their existence, they have fired missile into Israel not caring who they kill. A point which really gets on my nerves, is this arms rubbish, trotted out every time, is we supplied these weapons to Arab country's so where to blame, The biggest supplier of arms to these country's is Russia and China, fact, tanks t54-55,t62,t80, which you saw in Iraq, Libya, Syria, APC Russian, aircraft, self propelled guns, mortars, rocket launchers, helicopters, scud missile, anti aircraft guns, anti aircraft missiles, RPG, rifles, Machine guns and Helicopters all Russian and Chinese, nearly every weapon that has been used in all these conflicts are Russian and Chinese " as any well trained serviceman in the Uk will tell you" but you won't say that because Russia and China don't give a dam what you think,[/p][/quote]I wonder what substance have you may have consumed for hallucinating that I was ever follower of Muslim faith or ever hated Jews??????
Fact: I do not believe in any religion, but have always respected others right to follow any fictional mumbo jumbo of their own choice provided they don't try to force it on others like me and keep the consumtion of intoxicating stuff within the confines of their places of worship.
All the religious people should be making sure that the brand name of their religions can't be manipulated by evil elements for creating conflict or even wars.Paramjit Bahia

georgerm wrote…

Once again Mr Bahia puts his anti Jewish head on, but of course he has given up his Muslim faith, so we must believe him and then along comes Mr Thesechrttruth, fact Palestine was created by us Brits, Israel was given to the Jews by God. the same God we Christian's and Muslims believe in, they were push out and victimised by Christians and Muslims alike, killed in there millions by us civilised Christians and Muslims, Israel was given its on state in their own country, the Arabs refused to recognise the UN Charter, and attack Israel they attacked Israel 2 more times, the Israeli's are fighting annulation, they have every right to defend themselves, as an ex serviceman, I can tell you there is no such thing as over reacting in war, make no mistake this is a war. The Israelis had agreed that in return for giving Gaza to the Palestinians it was to be demilitarised, it was agreed by both parties, Hamas has broken that agreement repeatedly, for years since their existence, they have fired missile into Israel not caring who they kill. A point which really gets on my nerves, is this arms rubbish, trotted out every time, is we supplied these weapons to Arab country's so where to blame, The biggest supplier of arms to these country's is Russia and China, fact, tanks t54-55,t62,t80, which you saw in Iraq, Libya, Syria, APC Russian, aircraft, self propelled guns, mortars, rocket launchers, helicopters, scud missile, anti aircraft guns, anti aircraft missiles, RPG, rifles, Machine guns and Helicopters all Russian and Chinese, nearly every weapon that has been used in all these conflicts are Russian and Chinese " as any well trained serviceman in the Uk will tell you" but you won't say that because Russia and China don't give a dam what you think,

I wonder what substance have you may have consumed for hallucinating that I was ever follower of Muslim faith or ever hated Jews??????

Fact: I do not believe in any religion, but have always respected others right to follow any fictional mumbo jumbo of their own choice provided they don't try to force it on others like me and keep the consumtion of intoxicating stuff within the confines of their places of worship.

All the religious people should be making sure that the brand name of their religions can't be manipulated by evil elements for creating conflict or even wars.

Score: -2

Heinz Kiosk
3:32pm Sun 24 Aug 14

thesecrettruth.co.uk wrote…

Reading these comments is so frustrating.
Going by the negative feedback on the comments that make sense, it seems to me that a lot of people don't realise what is actually going on.
What Paramjit said is very true.
People only look at what is happening NOW and not what has lead up to this point.
Israel is an illegal occupier in the majority of the land in what IS Palestine.
The people of Gaza are being oppressed.
This is not by the Orthodox Jews, but being driven by the Zionist regime.
Many Orthodox Jews are against the Zionist movement.
The Palestinians have a right to resist occupation.
When Gaza resists what is being put on them, and Israel 'defends' itself, it makes my laugh.
Can the oppressor defend itself from the oppressed - the answer is NO - they should stop oppressing.
If and when there is a ceasefire, the Palestinians are still being targeted by the IDF, as in the case of Gaza, they have been for a very long time.
The west side of Gaza is open water which is patrolled by the Israeli Navy, there is normally a 6 mile exclusion zone, which recently has been reduced to 3 miles. Even when fishermen are not breaching the exclusion limit, they still risk being injured or killed by the Navy.
This is the same with people who venture near the 'border' of Gaza / Israel.
I've been following this since operation Castlead (2008/2009), this sort of thing happens too routinely, weekly if not at times daily, our media never reports on it, but the minute an Israeli gets injured or killed it is headline news.
One commenter mentioned about the Israelis being hard workers and if the Palestinians did the same.
I notice that produce is being sold around the world including the UK that was grown on Palestinian land which was stolen by Israeli settlers - but that is okay is it.
Well, as you should know, Gaza has a restriction on all products entering the area. They are in effect in a prison. They have restrictions on building supplies, food and medical supplies to name but three in normal times. During this war things have got worse, people are dieing from the lack of medical equipment / medicines.
If you haven't heard of the BDS movement against Israel, then you should have.
BDS = Boycotts Divestment Sanctions.
There is a massive public outcry against the actions of Israel worldwide, hence the BDS movement. Although you will not read about this in our media, it is big news around the world. Many companies are bowing down to public pressure.
If there were no restrictions there would be no need for the tunnels.
Contrary to our media, the tunnels primary use is to 'smuggle' into Gaza much needed supplies.
If there were no product restrictions there would be no need for tunnels.
Also, the last time I checked, it was a war crime if you targeted a civilian populated area, you cannot compare Hamas to the IDF.
There are many ways to support the Palestinians, one such charity is MAP (Medical Aid for Palestinians).

Many companies are bowing down to public pressure" = being successfully blackmailed. That explains the SWP placard. Where the SDP flourishes is in the swamp of lawlessness.
So many words when 4 are sufficient STOP FIRING THE ROCKETS!
In passing you presumably think that descendants of German forefathers in Alsace Lorraine should be firing rockets at Paris and those of Austrian descent in Trieste should be firing rockets at Rome. And indeed I could give you a hundred further examples and the answer will be the same. It is because those people are sane and civilized and those of whom you speak share the general Middle Eastern love of chaos.

[quote][p][bold]thesecrettruth.co.uk[/bold] wrote:
Reading these comments is so frustrating.
Going by the negative feedback on the comments that make sense, it seems to me that a lot of people don't realise what is actually going on.
What Paramjit said is very true.
People only look at what is happening NOW and not what has lead up to this point.
Israel is an illegal occupier in the majority of the land in what IS Palestine.
The people of Gaza are being oppressed.
This is not by the Orthodox Jews, but being driven by the Zionist regime.
Many Orthodox Jews are against the Zionist movement.
The Palestinians have a right to resist occupation.
When Gaza resists what is being put on them, and Israel 'defends' itself, it makes my laugh.
Can the oppressor defend itself from the oppressed - the answer is NO - they should stop oppressing.
If and when there is a ceasefire, the Palestinians are still being targeted by the IDF, as in the case of Gaza, they have been for a very long time.
The west side of Gaza is open water which is patrolled by the Israeli Navy, there is normally a 6 mile exclusion zone, which recently has been reduced to 3 miles. Even when fishermen are not breaching the exclusion limit, they still risk being injured or killed by the Navy.
This is the same with people who venture near the 'border' of Gaza / Israel.
I've been following this since operation Castlead (2008/2009), this sort of thing happens too routinely, weekly if not at times daily, our media never reports on it, but the minute an Israeli gets injured or killed it is headline news.
One commenter mentioned about the Israelis being hard workers and if the Palestinians did the same.
I notice that produce is being sold around the world including the UK that was grown on Palestinian land which was stolen by Israeli settlers - but that is okay is it.
Well, as you should know, Gaza has a restriction on all products entering the area. They are in effect in a prison. They have restrictions on building supplies, food and medical supplies to name but three in normal times. During this war things have got worse, people are dieing from the lack of medical equipment / medicines.
If you haven't heard of the BDS movement against Israel, then you should have.
BDS = Boycotts Divestment Sanctions.
There is a massive public outcry against the actions of Israel worldwide, hence the BDS movement. Although you will not read about this in our media, it is big news around the world. Many companies are bowing down to public pressure.
If there were no restrictions there would be no need for the tunnels.
Contrary to our media, the tunnels primary use is to 'smuggle' into Gaza much needed supplies.
If there were no product restrictions there would be no need for tunnels.
Also, the last time I checked, it was a war crime if you targeted a civilian populated area, you cannot compare Hamas to the IDF.
There are many ways to support the Palestinians, one such charity is MAP (Medical Aid for Palestinians).[/p][/quote]Many companies are bowing down to public pressure" = being successfully blackmailed. That explains the SWP placard. Where the SDP flourishes is in the swamp of lawlessness.
So many words when 4 are sufficient STOP FIRING THE ROCKETS!
In passing you presumably think that descendants of German forefathers in Alsace Lorraine should be firing rockets at Paris and those of Austrian descent in Trieste should be firing rockets at Rome. And indeed I could give you a hundred further examples and the answer will be the same. It is because those people are sane and civilized and those of whom you speak share the general Middle Eastern love of chaos.Heinz Kiosk

thesecrettruth.co.uk wrote…

Reading these comments is so frustrating.
Going by the negative feedback on the comments that make sense, it seems to me that a lot of people don't realise what is actually going on.
What Paramjit said is very true.
People only look at what is happening NOW and not what has lead up to this point.
Israel is an illegal occupier in the majority of the land in what IS Palestine.
The people of Gaza are being oppressed.
This is not by the Orthodox Jews, but being driven by the Zionist regime.
Many Orthodox Jews are against the Zionist movement.
The Palestinians have a right to resist occupation.
When Gaza resists what is being put on them, and Israel 'defends' itself, it makes my laugh.
Can the oppressor defend itself from the oppressed - the answer is NO - they should stop oppressing.
If and when there is a ceasefire, the Palestinians are still being targeted by the IDF, as in the case of Gaza, they have been for a very long time.
The west side of Gaza is open water which is patrolled by the Israeli Navy, there is normally a 6 mile exclusion zone, which recently has been reduced to 3 miles. Even when fishermen are not breaching the exclusion limit, they still risk being injured or killed by the Navy.
This is the same with people who venture near the 'border' of Gaza / Israel.
I've been following this since operation Castlead (2008/2009), this sort of thing happens too routinely, weekly if not at times daily, our media never reports on it, but the minute an Israeli gets injured or killed it is headline news.
One commenter mentioned about the Israelis being hard workers and if the Palestinians did the same.
I notice that produce is being sold around the world including the UK that was grown on Palestinian land which was stolen by Israeli settlers - but that is okay is it.
Well, as you should know, Gaza has a restriction on all products entering the area. They are in effect in a prison. They have restrictions on building supplies, food and medical supplies to name but three in normal times. During this war things have got worse, people are dieing from the lack of medical equipment / medicines.
If you haven't heard of the BDS movement against Israel, then you should have.
BDS = Boycotts Divestment Sanctions.
There is a massive public outcry against the actions of Israel worldwide, hence the BDS movement. Although you will not read about this in our media, it is big news around the world. Many companies are bowing down to public pressure.
If there were no restrictions there would be no need for the tunnels.
Contrary to our media, the tunnels primary use is to 'smuggle' into Gaza much needed supplies.
If there were no product restrictions there would be no need for tunnels.
Also, the last time I checked, it was a war crime if you targeted a civilian populated area, you cannot compare Hamas to the IDF.
There are many ways to support the Palestinians, one such charity is MAP (Medical Aid for Palestinians).

Many companies are bowing down to public pressure" = being successfully blackmailed. That explains the SWP placard. Where the SDP flourishes is in the swamp of lawlessness.
So many words when 4 are sufficient STOP FIRING THE ROCKETS!
In passing you presumably think that descendants of German forefathers in Alsace Lorraine should be firing rockets at Paris and those of Austrian descent in Trieste should be firing rockets at Rome. And indeed I could give you a hundred further examples and the answer will be the same. It is because those people are sane and civilized and those of whom you speak share the general Middle Eastern love of chaos.

Score: 0

georgerm
4:17pm Sun 24 Aug 14

Once again Mr Bahia puts his anti Jewish head on, but of course he has given up his Muslim faith, so we must believe him and then along comes Mr Thesechrttruth, fact Palestine was created by us Brits, Israel was given to the Jews by God. the same God we Christian's and Muslims believe in, they were push out and victimised by Christians and Muslims alike, killed in there millions by us civilised Christians and Muslims, Israel was given its on state in their own country, the Arabs refused to recognise the UN Charter, and attack Israel they attacked Israel 2 more times, the Israeli's are fighting annulation, they have every right to defend themselves, as an ex serviceman, I can tell you there is no such thing as over reacting in war, make no mistake this is a war. The Israelis had agreed that in return for giving Gaza to the Palestinians it was to be demilitarised, it was agreed by both parties, Hamas has broken that agreement repeatedly, for years since their existence, they have fired missile into Israel not caring who they kill. A point which really gets on my nerves, is this arms rubbish, trotted out every time, is we supplied these weapons to Arab country's so where to blame, The biggest supplier of arms to these country's is Russia and China, fact, tanks t54-55,t62,t80, which you saw in Iraq, Libya, Syria, APC Russian, aircraft, self propelled guns, mortars, rocket launchers, helicopters, scud missile, anti aircraft guns, anti aircraft missiles, RPG, rifles, Machine guns and Helicopters all Russian and Chinese, nearly every weapon that has been used in all these conflicts are Russian and Chinese " as any well trained serviceman in the Uk will tell you" but you won't say that because Russia and China don't give a dam what you think,

Once again Mr Bahia puts his anti Jewish head on, but of course he has given up his Muslim faith, so we must believe him and then along comes Mr Thesechrttruth, fact Palestine was created by us Brits, Israel was given to the Jews by God. the same God we Christian's and Muslims believe in, they were push out and victimised by Christians and Muslims alike, killed in there millions by us civilised Christians and Muslims, Israel was given its on state in their own country, the Arabs refused to recognise the UN Charter, and attack Israel they attacked Israel 2 more times, the Israeli's are fighting annulation, they have every right to defend themselves, as an ex serviceman, I can tell you there is no such thing as over reacting in war, make no mistake this is a war. The Israelis had agreed that in return for giving Gaza to the Palestinians it was to be demilitarised, it was agreed by both parties, Hamas has broken that agreement repeatedly, for years since their existence, they have fired missile into Israel not caring who they kill. A point which really gets on my nerves, is this arms rubbish, trotted out every time, is we supplied these weapons to Arab country's so where to blame, The biggest supplier of arms to these country's is Russia and China, fact, tanks t54-55,t62,t80, which you saw in Iraq, Libya, Syria, APC Russian, aircraft, self propelled guns, mortars, rocket launchers, helicopters, scud missile, anti aircraft guns, anti aircraft missiles, RPG, rifles, Machine guns and Helicopters all Russian and Chinese, nearly every weapon that has been used in all these conflicts are Russian and Chinese " as any well trained serviceman in the Uk will tell you" but you won't say that because Russia and China don't give a dam what you think,georgerm

Once again Mr Bahia puts his anti Jewish head on, but of course he has given up his Muslim faith, so we must believe him and then along comes Mr Thesechrttruth, fact Palestine was created by us Brits, Israel was given to the Jews by God. the same God we Christian's and Muslims believe in, they were push out and victimised by Christians and Muslims alike, killed in there millions by us civilised Christians and Muslims, Israel was given its on state in their own country, the Arabs refused to recognise the UN Charter, and attack Israel they attacked Israel 2 more times, the Israeli's are fighting annulation, they have every right to defend themselves, as an ex serviceman, I can tell you there is no such thing as over reacting in war, make no mistake this is a war. The Israelis had agreed that in return for giving Gaza to the Palestinians it was to be demilitarised, it was agreed by both parties, Hamas has broken that agreement repeatedly, for years since their existence, they have fired missile into Israel not caring who they kill. A point which really gets on my nerves, is this arms rubbish, trotted out every time, is we supplied these weapons to Arab country's so where to blame, The biggest supplier of arms to these country's is Russia and China, fact, tanks t54-55,t62,t80, which you saw in Iraq, Libya, Syria, APC Russian, aircraft, self propelled guns, mortars, rocket launchers, helicopters, scud missile, anti aircraft guns, anti aircraft missiles, RPG, rifles, Machine guns and Helicopters all Russian and Chinese, nearly every weapon that has been used in all these conflicts are Russian and Chinese " as any well trained serviceman in the Uk will tell you" but you won't say that because Russia and China don't give a dam what you think,

Score: -1

georgerm
5:02pm Sun 24 Aug 14

The Palestinian's have been kicked of their land, you mean the land the Israeli's used to own before they were kick off by the Arabs, Because of course there was no Palestine then. Solomum, do you really believe that what Blair and Bush did was the cores of all this, you need to wake up, Muslims have been attacking counties all over the world killing thousands of innocent people for years, Muslims have sworn to attack any western country and have, blown up trains, in Spain, Italy, Uk, murdered people on the streets of Europe, hijack Plaines and the most heinous crime, blow up 3000 innocent civilians of all nationalities, you name it they've done it. Now you can conveniently forget all this and believe, Mr Bahia and his like, but Al Qaeda and ISIS are not just a small group of people down the road they are in there thousand's, so dream on if you think by sitting hoping its not coming here, your going to be in for a nasty shock. Make no mistake they are already hear. Mr Bahia likes to keep saying its not all Muslims, the problem is when Muslims poor onto the street cheering, when 3000 civilians are murdered, when isis who number in their thousands, kill men women and children in the name of Allah and more Muslims join them and so far I haven't heard one Muslim leader in this country condemn them, Muslims in this country know who these people are, you choose not to turn them in, you choose in your own sick way to support them, you make excuses for them, there is no other race of people in this country who actively try to destroy us from within.

The Palestinian's have been kicked of their land, you mean the land the Israeli's used to own before they were kick off by the Arabs, Because of course there was no Palestine then. Solomum, do you really believe that what Blair and Bush did was the cores of all this, you need to wake up, Muslims have been attacking counties all over the world killing thousands of innocent people for years, Muslims have sworn to attack any western country and have, blown up trains, in Spain, Italy, Uk, murdered people on the streets of Europe, hijack Plaines and the most heinous crime, blow up 3000 innocent civilians of all nationalities, you name it they've done it. Now you can conveniently forget all this and believe, Mr Bahia and his like, but Al Qaeda and ISIS are not just a small group of people down the road they are in there thousand's, so dream on if you think by sitting hoping its not coming here, your going to be in for a nasty shock. Make no mistake they are already hear. Mr Bahia likes to keep saying its not all Muslims, the problem is when Muslims poor onto the street cheering, when 3000 civilians are murdered, when isis who number in their thousands, kill men women and children in the name of Allah and more Muslims join them and so far I haven't heard one Muslim leader in this country condemn them, Muslims in this country know who these people are, you choose not to turn them in, you choose in your own sick way to support them, you make excuses for them, there is no other race of people in this country who actively try to destroy us from within.georgerm

The Palestinian's have been kicked of their land, you mean the land the Israeli's used to own before they were kick off by the Arabs, Because of course there was no Palestine then. Solomum, do you really believe that what Blair and Bush did was the cores of all this, you need to wake up, Muslims have been attacking counties all over the world killing thousands of innocent people for years, Muslims have sworn to attack any western country and have, blown up trains, in Spain, Italy, Uk, murdered people on the streets of Europe, hijack Plaines and the most heinous crime, blow up 3000 innocent civilians of all nationalities, you name it they've done it. Now you can conveniently forget all this and believe, Mr Bahia and his like, but Al Qaeda and ISIS are not just a small group of people down the road they are in there thousand's, so dream on if you think by sitting hoping its not coming here, your going to be in for a nasty shock. Make no mistake they are already hear. Mr Bahia likes to keep saying its not all Muslims, the problem is when Muslims poor onto the street cheering, when 3000 civilians are murdered, when isis who number in their thousands, kill men women and children in the name of Allah and more Muslims join them and so far I haven't heard one Muslim leader in this country condemn them, Muslims in this country know who these people are, you choose not to turn them in, you choose in your own sick way to support them, you make excuses for them, there is no other race of people in this country who actively try to destroy us from within.

Score: -1

Paramjit Bahia
5:30pm Sun 24 Aug 14

skeptik wrote…

My late father a pre wartime regular - a true cynic - suggested that we had the same god on our side as did the enemy. Later in his life he suggested that at least now we have different gods fighting each other. 'Nearer to god they got the more barbaric they appeared to be'. - His words!

That is why people should not be believing in unscientific fictional myths like God or his/her dealers in the shape of various religions, which are often exploited by unsavoury people and create conflicts.

[quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote:
My late father a pre wartime regular - a true cynic - suggested that we had the same god on our side as did the enemy. Later in his life he suggested that at least now we have different gods fighting each other. 'Nearer to god they got the more barbaric they appeared to be'. - His words![/p][/quote]That is why people should not be believing in unscientific fictional myths like God or his/her dealers in the shape of various religions, which are often exploited by unsavoury people and create conflicts.Paramjit Bahia

skeptik wrote…

My late father a pre wartime regular - a true cynic - suggested that we had the same god on our side as did the enemy. Later in his life he suggested that at least now we have different gods fighting each other. 'Nearer to god they got the more barbaric they appeared to be'. - His words!

That is why people should not be believing in unscientific fictional myths like God or his/her dealers in the shape of various religions, which are often exploited by unsavoury people and create conflicts.

Score: -1

georgerm
8:38pm Sun 24 Aug 14

Now you are lying Mr Bahia, you stated in one of your other post on this subject that your family were not happy with you because you had given up your faith, you should remember what you posted, as an ex marine I don't need drugs or any other stuff as you put it, I now know I am winning the augment not just on facts, but you have resorted to insults, I have told the truth, you don't like that do you.

Now you are lying Mr Bahia, you stated in one of your other post on this subject that your family were not happy with you because you had given up your faith, you should remember what you posted, as an ex marine I don't need drugs or any other stuff as you put it, I now know I am winning the augment not just on facts, but you have resorted to insults, I have told the truth, you don't like that do you.georgerm

Now you are lying Mr Bahia, you stated in one of your other post on this subject that your family were not happy with you because you had given up your faith, you should remember what you posted, as an ex marine I don't need drugs or any other stuff as you put it, I now know I am winning the augment not just on facts, but you have resorted to insults, I have told the truth, you don't like that do you.

Score: 1

Paramjit Bahia
11:35pm Sun 24 Aug 14

georgerm wrote…

Now you are lying Mr Bahia, you stated in one of your other post on this subject that your family were not happy with you because you had given up your faith, you should remember what you posted, as an ex marine I don't need drugs or any other stuff as you put it, I now know I am winning the augment not just on facts, but you have resorted to insults, I have told the truth, you don't like that do you.

Geogerm, I leave habit of lying to likes of you, who may enjoy making up false stories. Because I never wrote any such thing. I suggest for the sake of your own credibility I suggest you recheck where you imagine you may have read it and correct yourself.

I have the feeling that you may have confused yourself with a comment on this website few days ago without reading it properly.

Fact: Few days ago some other person wrote that he'd left his religion (Islam) against the wishes of his family with whom he has nothing to do anymore. Because I replied to him hoping he won't be falling out of one religious frying pan into another fire (or words to that effect) that person wrote back asking if I am a Muslim. You will find that I'd replied to him saying I DO NOT follow any religious faith and am not neither any of my family or relatives are Muslims, but have many close friends who are Muslims.

So please read it again and stop making a fool out of yourself or copy cut and paste with link to that comment to prove that you are not a LIAR.

You need not apologise for insulting me by suggesting that I belong to the Islamic battalion of God Brigade, because I think you may have made a genuine mistake, which we all can do sometimes.

[quote][p][bold]georgerm[/bold] wrote:
Now you are lying Mr Bahia, you stated in one of your other post on this subject that your family were not happy with you because you had given up your faith, you should remember what you posted, as an ex marine I don't need drugs or any other stuff as you put it, I now know I am winning the augment not just on facts, but you have resorted to insults, I have told the truth, you don't like that do you.[/p][/quote]Geogerm, I leave habit of lying to likes of you, who may enjoy making up false stories. Because I never wrote any such thing. I suggest for the sake of your own credibility I suggest you recheck where you imagine you may have read it and correct yourself.
I have the feeling that you may have confused yourself with a comment on this website few days ago without reading it properly.
Fact: Few days ago some other person wrote that he'd left his religion (Islam) against the wishes of his family with whom he has nothing to do anymore. Because I replied to him hoping he won't be falling out of one religious frying pan into another fire (or words to that effect) that person wrote back asking if I am a Muslim. You will find that I'd replied to him saying I DO NOT follow any religious faith and am not neither any of my family or relatives are Muslims, but have many close friends who are Muslims.
So please read it again and stop making a fool out of yourself or copy cut and paste with link to that comment to prove that you are not a LIAR.
You need not apologise for insulting me by suggesting that I belong to the Islamic battalion of God Brigade, because I think you may have made a genuine mistake, which we all can do sometimes.Paramjit Bahia

georgerm wrote…

Now you are lying Mr Bahia, you stated in one of your other post on this subject that your family were not happy with you because you had given up your faith, you should remember what you posted, as an ex marine I don't need drugs or any other stuff as you put it, I now know I am winning the augment not just on facts, but you have resorted to insults, I have told the truth, you don't like that do you.

Geogerm, I leave habit of lying to likes of you, who may enjoy making up false stories. Because I never wrote any such thing. I suggest for the sake of your own credibility I suggest you recheck where you imagine you may have read it and correct yourself.

I have the feeling that you may have confused yourself with a comment on this website few days ago without reading it properly.

Fact: Few days ago some other person wrote that he'd left his religion (Islam) against the wishes of his family with whom he has nothing to do anymore. Because I replied to him hoping he won't be falling out of one religious frying pan into another fire (or words to that effect) that person wrote back asking if I am a Muslim. You will find that I'd replied to him saying I DO NOT follow any religious faith and am not neither any of my family or relatives are Muslims, but have many close friends who are Muslims.

So please read it again and stop making a fool out of yourself or copy cut and paste with link to that comment to prove that you are not a LIAR.

You need not apologise for insulting me by suggesting that I belong to the Islamic battalion of God Brigade, because I think you may have made a genuine mistake, which we all can do sometimes.

Score: 0

Heinz Kiosk
6:30pm Mon 25 Aug 14

"That is why people should not be believing in unscientific fictional myths like God or his/her dealers in the shape of various religions, which are often exploited by unsavoury people and create conflicts."
I think you'll find that it's a rather average scientist e.g. Dawkins , who would exclude the possibility of a god , or many.
We've deviated from the subject a long way. Hamas is, of course, a terrorist group, but it uses a cloak of pseudo-religion. I think it would say that all the poor people upon whom it draws down fire by its moronic behaviour will make it to some Euro Disney heaven. I suspect those people would rather have a life than take a gamble on something when they're dead. I just wish they'd kill the pathetic adolescents firing their stupid rockets.

"That is why people should not be believing in unscientific fictional myths like God or his/her dealers in the shape of various religions, which are often exploited by unsavoury people and create conflicts."
I think you'll find that it's a rather average scientist e.g. Dawkins , who would exclude the possibility of a god , or many.
We've deviated from the subject a long way. Hamas is, of course, a terrorist group, but it uses a cloak of pseudo-religion. I think it would say that all the poor people upon whom it draws down fire by its moronic behaviour will make it to some Euro Disney heaven. I suspect those people would rather have a life than take a gamble on something when they're dead. I just wish they'd kill the pathetic adolescents firing their stupid rockets.Heinz Kiosk

"That is why people should not be believing in unscientific fictional myths like God or his/her dealers in the shape of various religions, which are often exploited by unsavoury people and create conflicts."
I think you'll find that it's a rather average scientist e.g. Dawkins , who would exclude the possibility of a god , or many.
We've deviated from the subject a long way. Hamas is, of course, a terrorist group, but it uses a cloak of pseudo-religion. I think it would say that all the poor people upon whom it draws down fire by its moronic behaviour will make it to some Euro Disney heaven. I suspect those people would rather have a life than take a gamble on something when they're dead. I just wish they'd kill the pathetic adolescents firing their stupid rockets.

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