1. Citizens may now register official organizations known as a "Caucus" with the Registrar General and Census Bureau.

2. Membership in a caucus is optional and no restrictions may be placed on membership beyond limiting citizens to registering membership in no more than three caucuses. Leadership and administrative functions of a caucus shall be determined by the caucus itself.

3. A caucus shall be considered an "established caucus" when it gains five or more members.

1. "Established" caucus names shall appear on election ballots next to the candidate's party. The Secretary of Federal Elections shall ensure that parties and caucuses are distinguished, such as by not but limited to different text sizes and bold text.

(Slot: Forum Affairs/Emergency)(I'm interpreting these as forum affairs laws, and holding off on introducing any of the other amendments to that act to avoid confusion, because there's two more amendments to the original Act in the que right now and that could all be a clusterfukc.)

This is a disaster waiting to happen. Anyone who votes in favor of this bill is an idiot. There isn't even a point in having parties when you have other parties undermining that. Keep your caucuses off of my ballot!

Yeah, after four years of being a non-disruptive poster on the forum, never considered a troublemaker, even someone who was liked well enough to be elected Atlasian President, Napoleon should be allowed to stay.

Now that the two parties have agreed to dissolve, there isn't really any reason to oppose this.

So the new parties don't deserve any sort of legitimacy? Definitely not fair. People can have their stupid multiparty caucuses and they can also keep them off of ballots, the way any normal democracy functions. Or else why even limit caucuses? Why not five caucuses? Three caucuses certainly isn't enough.

Yeah, after four years of being a non-disruptive poster on the forum, never considered a troublemaker, even someone who was liked well enough to be elected Atlasian President, Napoleon should be allowed to stay.

Now that the two parties have agreed to dissolve, there isn't really any reason to oppose this.

So the new parties don't deserve any sort of legitimacy? Definitely not fair. People can have their stupid multiparty caucuses and they can also keep them off of ballots, the way any normal democracy functions. Or else why even limit caucuses? Why not five caucuses? Three caucuses certainly isn't enough.

I was mostly referring to the part about removing restrictions on caucus membership, since that was the most controversial part last time. Here's my solution, if people still have a problem with that: Allow caucuses to decide for themselves if they want to be multi-party or intra-party. Otherwise, I'm ambivalent about caucuses appearing on the ballot, with really no preference either way.

The only point of this bill is to put multiparty caucuses on the ballot, wholly undermining the parties we already have for no good reason at all. Caucuses can have whoever they want as a member but they don't need to be recognized by the SoFE. It isn't as if we are restricting freedom of assembly by not passing this.

Yeah, after four years of being a non-disruptive poster on the forum, never considered a troublemaker, even someone who was liked well enough to be elected Atlasian President, Napoleon should be allowed to stay.

While at this point, I agree with you on this bill, calling your colleagues idiots is completely unnecessary in this chamber. There are much better ways you can get your point across.

None of my colleagues have voted in favor of this bill!

But yeah I do take my comment back. Seriously, though, this does more bad than good. Even if I did support this I would want to wait and see how the new parties develop before I go around stirring up trouble with such disruptions.

Yeah, after four years of being a non-disruptive poster on the forum, never considered a troublemaker, even someone who was liked well enough to be elected Atlasian President, Napoleon should be allowed to stay.

Now that the two parties have agreed to dissolve, there isn't really any reason to oppose this.

So the new parties don't deserve any sort of legitimacy? Definitely not fair. People can have their stupid multiparty caucuses and they can also keep them off of ballots, the way any normal democracy functions. Or else why even limit caucuses? Why not five caucuses? Three caucuses certainly isn't enough.

I am open to a different number of caucuses; that's not the main point of this bill, which, by the way was written long before the dissolution votes when it looked as if the RPP was not going to dissolve. I just fail to see why caucuses need to be limited to one party. Listing caucuses on the ballot at all is a little strange, but it's an interesting way to try to make them relevent, which otherwise would probably not happen.

Immediately following the passage of the first caucus bill, there was a rush to join caucuses and a widespread confusion from non-members of the RPP and JCP as to why they were not allowed to officially join them. My purpose in this amendment is to fix that issue so that anyone can join.

Yeah, after four years of being a non-disruptive poster on the forum, never considered a troublemaker, even someone who was liked well enough to be elected Atlasian President, Napoleon should be allowed to stay.

Basically, more or less, a citizen can be a part of four organizations - 1 party and 3 caucus. Am I correct in that? We might as well let citizen's join as many parties as they want. Sure would help in securing zombie voters.

I support multiparty caucuses, but I'm willing to let them go for a little while because the party situation right now is quite hectic and deserves to shake out on it's own for awhile. And even if we did let multiparty caucuses into law, there's no way I would support allowing people be a member of multiple multiparty caucuses.

I will not at all, however, support the abolition of caucuses. They have worked quite well so far and deserve to continue forward as part of Atlasia in the future. This mad dash Napoleon keeps trying to make to shutting down, limiting, or amending out of existence, any of the reforms this Senate passes, is baffling.

Yeah, after four years of being a non-disruptive poster on the forum, never considered a troublemaker, even someone who was liked well enough to be elected Atlasian President, Napoleon should be allowed to stay.

This is ridiculous. Caucuses have no negative side effects, and there is absolutely no harm in letting them continue as a permanent fixture of the game. I don't understand where this desire comes from to immediately try and wipe away things we just worked our asses off to pass for literally no reason.

Forgive me for getting a little pissed off at the thought of months and months of campaigning and screaming at people and writing legislation and compromising with people getting tossed aside just because some people think that just because we dissolved the big parties we're now perfectly solved and can just go back to the way things were. That is insane.

This is ridiculous. Caucuses have no negative side effects, and there is absolutely no harm in letting them continue as a permanent fixture of the game. I don't understand where this desire comes from to immediately try and wipe away things we just worked our asses off to pass for literally no reason.

Forgive me for getting a little pissed off at the thought of months and months of campaigning and screaming at people and writing legislation and compromising with people getting tossed aside just because some people think that just because we dissolved the big parties we're now perfectly solved and can just go back to the way things were. That is insane.

and I still think it's silly to have two sets of parties on the ballot....

Yeah, after four years of being a non-disruptive poster on the forum, never considered a troublemaker, even someone who was liked well enough to be elected Atlasian President, Napoleon should be allowed to stay.