Received a voicemail for my husband stating that they are going to bring legal action against him. I attempted to call 254-863-1200 back and spoke to this very unprofessional, rude woman claiming from "Division of Processing". She told me that the purpose of the call to my husband was none of my business and I needed to just pass the message for him to call. My husband call her back and she claims that they were hired by HSBC to resolve a "debt" that he apparently owed. She was asking for $900 to settle. He told her to validate this so called debt and her response was "We don't have to provide you any supporting docs and that he already had a judgment for failing to appear in court". We laughed because my husband has A+ credit and she started to get irritated with him. She ended up hanging up on my husband. One week later, their office starts calling his brother and sisters telling them that my husband is about to be sued. Well - again we called them back and requested that they cease and desist all calls to his cell phone and all family members that they have on file. They refused to cease and refused to put a manager on the phone. They are definitely a bunch of unhappy crooks looking to collect a dime from anyone willing to buy into their bull. DO NOT DO IT - THEY ARE SCAMMERS!!!

Caller ID on Verizon wireless showed "World Travel". Google showed lots of reports about this number calling and offering a $1200 certificate to stay at one of their resorts in the Bahamas or wherever. Sounds like one of many vacation scams...go to the place, get high-pressured sales talks, and stay in less than prime setting unless you decide to sign up immediately for their resort/timeshare.

800-322-5443 and 714-843-9999 and 714-847-4332 are the PhoneGuys. Website is www.phoneguys.com. These guys continuously SPAM websites like Craigslist, Backpage, Facebook, etc. We dealt with these guys once. Just once. They were a scam outfit claiming to sell a phone system between for $450-$490, but once they arrived they tried to push a $1200-$1900 phone system really hard and refused to take NO for an answer. Finally called the cops to have them removed from our property and to take their crappy phones with that. Claimed phones were NEW, yet were clearly USED. Staff/Owners are Andrew, Bob, and Mike. AVOID these guys at all costs.

800-322-5443 and 714-843-9999 and 714-847-4332 are the PhoneGuys. Website is www.phoneguys.com. These guys continuously SPAM websites like Craigslist, Backpage, Facebook, etc. We dealt with these guys once. Just once. They were a scam outfit claiming to sell a phone system between for $450-$490, but once they arrived they tried to push a $1200-$1900 phone system really hard and refused to take NO for an answer. Finally called the cops to have them removed from our property and to take their crappy phones with that. Claimed phones were NEW, yet were clearly USED. Staff/Owners are Andrew, Bob, and Mike. AVOID these guys at all costs.

800-322-5443 and 714-843-9999 and 714-847-4332 are the PhoneGuys. Website is www.phoneguys.com. These guys continuously SPAM websites like Craigslist, Backpage, Facebook, etc. We dealt with these guys once. Just once. They were a scam outfit claiming to sell a phone system between for $450-$490, but once they arrived they tried to push a $1200-$1900 phone system really hard and refused to take NO for an answer. Finally called the cops to have them removed from our property and to take their crappy phones with that. Claimed phones were NEW, yet were clearly USED. Staff/Owners are Andrew, Bob, and Mike. AVOID these guys at all costs.

Posted something on facebook of large value (1200) responded within a few hours after i posted my item. Says someone will pick up from here in California but hes in Florida. is asking for my paypal email.

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Woman from the philipines called asking it's time to update your alarm system, I don't have one, never did. and had to have been a spoofed number as the area code said my local area, nobody had 145 as a prefix.
Usually I just don't answer these calls (I don't know the number) but we are expecting certain people to call and I don't know their phone number, so now it's blocked. with t lock call blocker, it allows me to block 1200 + phone numbers, I don't even hear the phone ring if it's blocked, but the screen lights up (phone) and doesn't allow them leave a message, (unlike my cell phone blocker, dang it).

04-08-2016 Received a bill today with this # for over $1200.00 for a supposed medical account for a location that I have never been treated at. I called number listed (305-777-7100) and after many rings a male answered and just said Hello. I asked who this was and he momentarily hesitated; then loudly stated "GOD" and hung up.

Calls our do-not-call listed number as private caller. Recorded message promises biz loan in two days up to 250.000 dollars. Talked Miguel who gave me this number. When I asked him to remove us from his list, he became nasty quickly, and said he had given me a false call back number. Soo, thank you Miguel at Merchant Funding Group for being dishonest and misleading.

Yet another FOP number that I have blocked. I have told them I am not interested in donating. I say send me something in writing. Nothing ...but they keep these annoying calls coming all times of the day. I block one number they call from another until I block that one. Do they think I am going to donate if they keep calling from different numbers? Because of these annoyances, I would never donate a dime to them. I have purchased a 1200 number call blocker just for them. Most of the blocked calls are FOP.

402-934-0759 just called our business. Caller ID shows up as SELECT VEHICLE. This is nothing more than a boiler room filled with monkeys with scripts calling people they find on Craigslist and offering to help them sell their Car, Boat, RV, Truck, SUV, 4 Wheeler, Motorcycle, etc, for the small sum of $499 to $699 or more. When an ad is placed on Craigslist and it is located under the For Sale By Owner section, within the ad it clearly states : do NOT contact me with unsolicited services or offers. Guess what your company just did, Select Vehicle? Your company not only ignored that personal request, but it also violated the rules governing the use of the Craigslist website, as well as violating Federal Laws (see the DNC, the Do-Not-Call Improvement Act of 2007, the TCPA, and 47 CFR 64.1200; 16 CFR 310). As such, we will be filing a formal complaint with the FCC, the FTC, the BBB, and the AG's office in regards to your illegal actions.

Verizon now spoofing calls to get you to "enroll" in their call blocking service for an additional 12.95 a month... 155.40 a year.... to block calls from your phone... Gee Verizon... on 'mazzon I have seen 1200 number call blockers for ~ 65.00 that last years.. Why would I pay you DOUBLE to do the same thing?

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Calls saying they are a law firm and have serious allegations against you. Then you speak to a "Mr. John" in legal who informs you that their client is willing to settle with you for $1200.00, but only if you pay today before close of business. Otherwise, they will send the police to your residence to serve you with court papers and or arrest. 1. The police don't arrest people for civil accusations. 2. By law, they have to provide a debt letter stating to whom you owe the debt and the amount. 3. Phone threats are illegal. 4. Why would a law firm have a "legal dept." ? SCAM ALERT!!!!!!

-aka- 561-314-2692 -aka- 866-220-1051 -aka- 866-466-1712 -aka- 866-647-0506 -aka- 866-798-2489 -aka- 866-942-2489 -aka- 877-298-2489 -aka- 877-305-2489 -aka- 877-798-2489 just called our business for the 8th time this week. We tell them that we are not interested, and yet they keep calling. Caller ID shows up as City Twist. Their company name is City Twist. They are located at 1200 N Federal Hwy #417, Boca Raton, FL 33432. They are connecting through Bellsouth Telecommunications via Peerless Network Landline. Their BBB rating is somehow and A+ and is located here - ( http://www.bbb.org/south-east-florida/business-reviews/advertising-agencies-and-counselors/citytwist-in-boca-raton-fl-90033448 ) Since they have called repeatedly after asking for them to remove our business from their calling list, we are now left with no choice but to report their calls as harassment to the BBB, the FCC.gov, and the Boca Raton Attorney General's Office.

Yes, it's Conn's. These people are just what the name implies - con's! They call numerous times a day, is there a law against that? You tell them it is in the mail, or you will bring it in on Friday and they STILL call umpteenth times every day until you do. Don't buy anything from them no matter how good a deal you think you are getting. Paying 1200.00 for a 549.00 refrigerator. If paid off early - 829.00. DON'T DO IT!

9:19AM CST - Amazing they bypassed my answer machine and got on my voice mail leaving a message about updating my medical insurance. Why? Don't know. We live in Florida and this number is from Maryland? Again they didn't ask for anyone by name but the message beginning was cut off so it may have been prerecorded and didn't respond until after the answer machine turned off. Johns Hopkins University Clinical Practice Association Phone: 410-933-1200 Toll Free: 800-657-0066. Maybe just a wrong number. We do have friends, hustlers and other relatives in that state.

They left recorded msg on answering machine claiming a "free" emergency alert system including $1200 worth of equipment and installation. Then they try to "make it legal" by giving you a chance to remove your name from their calling list. They aren't supposed to be calling in the first place!

Same story here from California - Kevin Cooper, Jeff Miller, tax fraud, deportation. I called and told them I knew it was a scam - then when I called back they wouldn't answer from that phone! So I called from my cell and chatted a bit. Got this address: 1200 Waters Place, Bronx, NY 10461. Called the Bronx Police Dept but they said they can only investigate if someone actually sends money. I'm calling the IRS next.

8323565089: Guy, says his name is Rob Walker at this number text me saying he wanted to buy my boat. Said he put $33,500 in PayPal to pay for the boat, sent all kinds of "official" looking PayPal documents, but no funds received. In order to complete the PayPal transfer, I simply needed to send $1200 to his "purchasing agent".

Called twice - 8:05 a. m. and again at 8:10 a.m. - number is now blocked. I understand now why many people are dropping land lines. I understand there are apps for smartphones and other options to help prevent unwanted jackasses from calling your private number. The National Do Not Call Registry is a joke. I have a Call Blocker with a 1500 capacity - I am already past 1200 numbers blocked and counting!

Said they were with a home alarm company and wanted to offer me a $1200 alarm system at no cost. I told them I already had an alarm system and I was reporting them since I am on the Do Not Call list and they should not be calling my number.

If you get a call from 419 asking for someone else and you happen to be in Ohio, it may be the United Collection Bureau. I called them at (614) 263-1200 (I had to listen to the message even though the message says if I continued listening I acknowledged I was someone else. That was literally the only way I could find out who the hell kept calling).

Gentleman called from this number today, asked for someone who retired many, many years ago, so not sure where they're getting their information. They keep calling asking for this individual. He wasn't exactly rude...but not very forthcoming either.

I receieved a call at my employer yesterday from this wanting to know the policies on how to serve me at work. I was baffled because I was not aware I was in any kind of danger of being sued or anything. I spoke w/ a guy who acted like they have done all this investigation on me and told me they have already try to serve me once at my home. Stated he even knew I had a large property, he had my name last 4 of my social, who my car loan was with and a few other things. This had me terrifed as he said they were suing and were going to freeze/levy my bank account. After much research and a nights lost of sleep I have figured this out.... A collection agency can get all that information very easily, name social and who you have have loans with its all on your credit reort. As for him saying the server told them I had a large property, any body can look up my address and know that I live on 2 acres. They can not freeze your accounts or levy them without a court judgement. I checked the courts here, there is nothing against me. As for serving me papers they did not show. I will admit I do have an old debt that written off by the cc company about 5 years ago. This company bought the debt recently and is harrassing me for it apparently. Funny thing is the debt was only a couple of hundred dollard and they were asking for a near 2700.00 but I could settle for 1200.00. DO NOT GIVE YOUR MONEY RIGHT AWAY TO THESE PEOPLE. They are scammers for a large amount of money. Do your research first and dont loose sleep like I did.

These people are a pain in the neck (or Lower) they call me everyday at least 2x a day trying to get me to pay a debt that is over 7 years old that has been sold and re-sold to different collection companies.....It was originally 1200 dollars and they want 4800 now....GOOD LUCK GETTING IT!!!!

Tey were trying to collect money saying they were investagotors on check fraud, when i looked up th number they are a collection agency, I want them to be blocked from my phone. Please,,,,,,They have really upset saying they have a mediator sais they were going to wave the procession fee of 1200 and needed me to send 150.oo by money gram until i paid back 786.00,This acc has been sold 5 times. please beaware of this if they call you..........

Verizon called me back I did not pick up the call. I disconnected the call after having an argument and being lied to by one of their tech support people. In the Prepaid cell dept. I worked for Alltel for 10 years I know what's what and when the BS is getting chest deep its time to pull the plug. I will not be lied too after spending 25 minutes waiting to speak to a person to have that person read a script and not even listen to what I am telling her the problem is. I know what the matter is, and she could not even be bothered to take the time to listen to what I told her the problem was, just kept reading her script and going down the line, next step, then do this, if it does not work try this. FOr the love of the Anti-Christ I used to write those scripts for idiots to use in call centers the ones that can't think for themselves. Verizon has the worst customer support for prepaid services ever. And tries to get you to buy a new phone and sign a contract that will solve all your problems just like magic. Spend more money with there company and all your problems go away. Never mind that they own your butt for 2 years and you're screwed and the customer service gets even worse after that. They deny saying it will all get better. Sprint pulled the same thing too, not to mention overcharging for services and then threatening the state with if they persecuted them that they would close all there call centers terminate 1200 employees in KS. I think I will come up with a way to give away Cell phone service, Internet, other services for free for every person on the planet for life. Make it all free all of the time. Stand back and watch them all come crashing down around themselves. A couple of simple SAT's and cheap towers Solar powered and cheap switching making its own bubble or network like global wifi networks only cell phone services via Sat phones and they are all done for. No more pigs getting rich off screwing everyone.

Was on the phone (I made the call) and another call came in while I was on the phone at 5:39pm; therefore, no Caller ID to identify who might be calling me. Phone number 570.218.1200 called (per my voice mail). Here's part of the message I received: "... all the details of generating a weekly income of $3-7,000 a week or press 9 to be removed from our list. Press 1 now." Don't know what they were selling/scamming and since my voice mail doesn't know how to press buttons, I'll never know. But how annoying! I'm on the DNC list! Will be filing a complaint with them next.

i got a call saying that if i send $825 i would get a $5000 loan from CITIZEN INVESTMENT GROUP it sounded legit and they sent the loan agreement to my email so i sent the money thru western union and they said the money would be in there that day. turns out they said before they send the loan they do a second credit check and since i was a high risk client i had to send an insurance payment of 750, i said thats too much so he said to he would talk to his manager and they "settled" on sending 450. i sent the 450 and now they dont answer any calls. im out 1200 plus the cost of western union sending fees. anyone with more info please write back. http://www.nobledrugstore.com

Have had several people call from this number. Main two I spoke with last are Jena and Mason, and was informed of a John Deer lawn mower that I registered for in the Colonial Mall in Greenville, NC, but was also chosen to win a free $1200 GE security system. Callers want to know why it hasn't been installed. I've told several callers I was not interested. Yesterday I even set up an appointment for an installer to come today (12/20), but never showed up, not even a phone call to explain. I've tried calling this number numerous times today and tonight, and only get a busy signal. It's amazing you register for something and others get old of your information and then can't be reached back.

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To Resident47: I have to question your comment. You are the only person legitimizing this company. Multiple sites and personal experience have shown me that this company is what is known as a zombie debt collector. They stole over $1200 from my mother in law, a little old lady who lives on her social security. They convinced her she owed a debt over 5 years old from a company that she does not remember nor has any recent history of being in business. FRAUD!

Surely you realize the republicans are farming U.S. jobs outside of the U.S, including but not limited to Information Technology jobs, Financial Sector jobs and any other job they can push overseas. If you call IBM, HP, Avaya or Aquin/Princeton Financial services as examples, the person on the other end of the phone is not in the U.S. Those same overseas employees have access to your private financial information and the companies overseas don't begin to enact the same data network security requirements, legally required in the U.S., meaning that anyone can hack those systems and access your financial data and at some point electronically empty your bank account. The employees are also not paying U.S. income tax, since they are not U.S. citizens, thereby eroding our tax base further and increasing the deficit. The republicans don't want the ultra wealthy to pay more and they farm the middle class jobs overseas, so that leaves no one to pay off the deficit created by two wars (at the cost of 7 billion per month per John MCain's own mouth) and the cost of the global financial meltdown caused by the U.S. republican policy of 'less government' meaning, 'let the ultra wealthy', like Mitt Romney steal legally with no one watching or regulating what they are doing. So the ultra wealthy get richer, while you get poorer. So not sure why you would support unpatriotic policies like that. 'Corporate' welfare costs this country 1000 fold more then what some low income person down on their luck or scamming the sytem costs us. The tea party and conservative working class men support policies that cost them thousands of dollars per year compared to the scammers cost of penny's on the dollar. I don't like paying for scammers either, but I resent the ultra-wealthy thieves who don't need to scam more so then some poor manipulative guy who doesnt begin to cost us as much as the deregulated corporations have cost us. There are 1200 billionaires in this country who collectively are worth 4.7 trillion dollars. It doesn't seem to me, that they will be hurting that much if we tax corporations for farming jobs overseas to make up for the lost tax base, or better yet, keep the jobs over here and retian the income tax base. It is hard to understand why anyone would support Mitt Romney and the republican party who will just continue to eliminate American jobs and as a result, the employees income tax. If you are not one of the 1200 U.S. billionaires, I recommend you re-think any support for the republicans, because you may be the next person who loses out when the economy continues to spiral downward, as government deregulation causes U.S jobs to disappear. I'm not an isolationist and understand the merits of a global economy, but the repbulicans have dismantled our American way of life through extreme deregulation and 'less government' and are turning this country into a third world country of extreme wealth and extreme poor and no one in the middle. The United States is a country, it is not a business, we need to run it like a country not a business. Unless of course we want virtual police and fireman (i.e. not in person, but remote over the internet - they can walk you through stopping a fire or acosting a burglar over the phone) and we could always subcontract our military and weapons development to the Chinese government. Why we could even not have politicians, we could have the Chinese and Indian governments govern us. Of course, the Chinese can't even make proper pharmaceuticals without screwing it up, so it would be interesting to see how much more of a mess they could create in this country. So vote republican and that is what you will have to look forward to.

We ordered several ink and toners and did receive a brand new ipad 3. We were not scammed. There was a minimum order of $1200 but we exceeded that and the ink and toner lasted longer than the brand name. I am however receiving these irritating calls since then.

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I pay my bills. The reason I have medical in collections is between 2008 and 2011 - my company did not offer health insurance and I am a contractor with a pre-existing condition. For me to have purchased insurance from a special pool for "High Risk Patients" because of the pre-existing condition - it would have costed more than $1200 a month for limited services which I cant afford. During that time I started to have alot of problems related to that initial condition with ddd, a failed fusion from 2002, spinal stenosis and on and on. There were times where I had no choice but to go get treatment or risk being paralyzed.One visit to the ER encompasses 4 seperate bills that I can only pay a certain amount at a time. Then the episodes became more and more frequent and was admitted to the hospital for 2 days at $22,000 total bill. I dont make a ton of money and cannot take a second job because of the injuries. So my medical debt was uncontrollable through nobodies fault. I even sent letters to the Govenoner of TN to help. He responded and apologized for my situation and was referred to TENCARE - which will not cover a working single male.Long story short. I needed surgery or I would risk not being able to walk again. I begged and begged my employer to make a special exception in my case to put me on the company policy even though I was a contactor to have the necessary surgey - and because of my hard work, loyalty, honesty and character - they put me on the policy. And I had my surgery and I am still in alot of pain - but doing better - thank you. And paying what I can to those old bills and my child support and my taxes and my insurance (health/auto/life/renters) and my rent and the extras that my children need, it will take me a lifetime to pay those medical bills off. And as a result my 97% of the negative item on my credit report are medical collections, and I have to suffer with the results of that - by having to pay higher interest rates on used car - having to have a secured credit card because of the collections and so on - I accept my plight - even though it is not my fault - I make the best of it day to day. So, before you spout off with the general statement of people not paying their bills and labeling them as pieces of sh**, you need to see and feel my story and my pain. And if I could meet you face to face you would be sorry you ever opened your stupid mouth.

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Received calls four times during week (4/30-> 5/4/2012) Two calls occured within fifteen minutes of 1200 PDT and twice more around 8:17pm PDT. Background noise is detected. No voice acknowledgement from the caller occurs.

Calls from NRA:
10/22/11 - #877-859-3653
10/21/11 - #855-348-2371
10/20/11 - #855-333-0712
10/19/11 - #877-858-4958
10/18/11 - #855-232-9534
10/15/11 - #855-348-2371
10/12/11 - #855-333-0712
10/11/11 - #703-267-1200
I have been a member of NRA for many years. I have supported them by recruiting members, contributions, volunteering at NRA events, etc. I cancelled my membership yesterday. I refuse to be a member of any organization that uses telemarketers to harass people. I called their member services and sent them a message saying so.

Claim of $1200 towards "energy management system". No company name was ever provided. It was clearly a stock recording. Living in a townhouse I've never expressed any interest in this to anyone so it's not a preexisting business relationship either.

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Scam call. "you just won a honeywell security system, for free!" Oops, they forgot to tell you that by accepting this "$1200" package (which you could buy for $235 elsewhere) that you have obligated yourself to a $65/month monitoring fee, that automatically renews annually, and has an "early" cancellation fee of over $400 no matter when you try to cancel.

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Invariably some no-name defender of BofA/Countrywide's constant calls will read comments such as mine and submit a non-disguisable comment revealing the defender's background. Until then, let's see: The 1-800-669-0102 calls are billed to BofA/Countrywide at local rates instead of as long-distance calls. If Stacy calls from the U.S., then it's a 2c/min rate. If a person or robocaller in India calls, then it's something like a 1 rupee/min rate. Stacy and the Indian call centers will continue to call persons non-stop, as others continue to report here and at 800notes.com and at whocallsme.com and at everycall.us. These calls may or may NOT be returned. Simple mathematics tells us that the aggressive 25 calls/week average will be costing BofA/Countrywide a mere 50cents or 25rupees per week. This comes out to $2 or 100 rupees per month, and then $24 or 1200 rupees per year, albeit still a trivial amount. On the other hand, multiply this yearly figure by the number of persons targeted by these calls, then add possible additional costs (legal?) levied against BofA/Countrywide, and eventually the constant [non-returned] calls from this 1-800 number will slowly start to cost BofA/Countrywide a SIGNIFICANT amount of change.

To that no-name defender responding to the comments here, go ahead and feed these figures back to your BofA/Countrywide bosses before you or they spin these away :)

I'm in Albany, NY area and received today a sms (text message) from 213-241-9305.It is a scammer sending unwanted text message "Need some quick cash? You can easily get $1200.00 in your bank account today. For info just reply back the word pay...". According to the website the phone is in LA area. The best suggestion: install call + sms (text) blocker on your phone. I did.

this came to our cell phone as a text it says "need some quick cash? you can easily get $1200.00 wired into your bank account today! for info, just reply back the word "PAY", to cancel reply "STOP"
which we did neither

I donate through the Gulf Coast Regional Blood Center and only get phone calls from them to remind me of my appointments. If you do not wish to receive their calls, you can call their customer service number (1-888-482-5663 or 713-790-1200) and request to not be contacted. You can also go to their website (www.giveblood.org), register (if you have enough details) and change your contact preferences to opt out (or just change your phone number to something else).

We received this call on a sunday. Our 9 year old daughter answered the phone and was asked if we were home. When she told the caller that we were unavailable the caller said that they would call back. The caller i.d. came up as: CHILD SERVICES. Being that our daughter was involved in the call, we went about trying to locate the origin of the phone number. This is what we found online: The call is from a residential landline, located at 6162 Red Tail Dr. Milton, FL. 32570. The home is a rental ($1200. per month) under the name of Ericka Thompson/Ericka Slay. I've yet to find out what this about, but it is looking very shady. Beware

I got a call from this company today. The said that they were with Visa services and said that they can lower my interest rate on my card. Seeing that I was ay 14%, I said okay. They wanted my cc # an I hesitated but I gave it to them since I'm protected anyway from unauthorized charges. They then had someone else call me back within 30 minutes. The second call came from 805-357-1666. They said that can lower my rate to 6% so I said sure. Then he quickly mentioned that there would be a $1200 charge for the savings...He went over that part very quickly so I had to stop him and ask what for...He said that's their fee. I started asking more questions such as the name of the company, his name, where they are located + mentioned I would like to think about it all of which offended him and he turned nasty by belittleing me for having revolving debt on my card so I simply hung up. Would like to know who these people are. They are very shady. Be careful.

I got a call from these people offering me a job. They said that I would be a Sales Rep and would go to the store and see if I could save the customer anywhere from $500 to $1500 a month in credit card charges. So I was like yeah I could do that. He told me that they where getting a lot of calls from my area. (Jackson, Ms) He said that it was a commission based job and I could earn anywhere from $1200- 4500 a week. Told me they even had Blue Cross Blue Shield Health Insurance. It sounded great to me until I started Googling the company!!!!

He broke into my garage and took my car causing $1200 in damages. I called the police and the police said there was nothing I could do as he had a court order. I contacted an attorney and he informed me that what had happened to me was perfectly legal in Arizona. He called it a Repliven. I don't know what to do I guess I am going to buy a used car ASAP before the repo hits my credit.

Rude and said collection for a bank I have NEVER had an account with at anytime. Said demanding nearly $1200; sent 4 letters (which I have not received) had an old address from 6 yrs ago! Again stated I never had a checking account with the bank he stated and for him to send me PRINTED information; refused request. I finally ended the call and put a block on that number. Sounded like a SCAM to me and not paying for anything I do not owe! Guess I'll have to print out all the various telephone numbers they use and the block each on of many! I'm no the Do Not Call List, so I have no idea how they got my current unlisted number! Besides, they didn't even have my correct name!!!

As for the group on this page, it would be a good idea to let your fundraiser know we are out here and now you know that we are looking at them too. I would not let them misrepresent because the first time they do and we catch them, it's all over with but the crying.

If you are reading this message then you were just called by a potentially fraudulent fundraiser for a Police Fire Veteran’s or Children’s Charity. Call your local police department immediately. These organization’s count of the fact that 99% of you do not follow through on your complain about them. That attitude is going to let them call your Grandmother next and believe me when I say they WILL take advantage of her. Give everyone you know our website address www.badgefraud.com and there they will learn everything they need to know to protect themselves and their neighbor’s. No one need donate to us for us to have your backs in this matter.

No Non Profit or Charity has to ever hear from us and they will not unless we find them using the fraudulent techniques that so many States have declared with one voice are illegal and deceptive.

It’s quite simple; if the group is operating legally, we can’t touch them. And they should not be upset with us. They will not have to compete with these shady operators in the future and will have more successful fund drives giving them more money. We have done our job’s.

WE NEED YOUR HELP – WE NEED YOUR HELP – WE NEED YOUR HELP – WE NEED YOUR HELP
We are currently tracking these people through about 1200 of their actual phone lines on message boards like this one and the only way to shake us is to change phone numbers. We expect that number to rise to around 10,000 in the coming months. Every time they get a new number to work from, as soon as they start calling they generate complaints that show up on boards like 800notes.com among others giving us their new phone number to track. In other words every time a fraud pops up, anywhere in the world, we know about it within a day or two of it beginning and can report it and attack it right away.

Please include as much information about the call as you can.

Specifically we need to know the phone number that called you? (we are building a database of every phone number that these groups use to track their call’s.)

Exactly what they told you?

Did they say they were a police officer or a fireman or a veteran? Active or Retired?

Did they say they were calling “with” or “on behalf” of an organization?

Did they say they were a charity or a non profit labor organization?

Did they try to guilt you in to giving?

Did they imply or infer that they were actual officers making the calls?

Did they use intimidation tactics? (if you felt intimidated then yes they used them)

Did they say the phrase “you not in trouble or anything” implying that you should think you might be?

Did they thank you for your past donation?

Did they imply a local connection?

The techniques these organizations employ are by their very nature, deceptive and illegal.

If they have mailed you ANY marketing material, please scan it and email it to ely@pfcl.org to include the full contents of any communication, letter, sticker, return envelope, etc etc etc. *we are only interested in what they tell you so please whit out your personal information before you email it in) we want it from every group that contacts you not just the one on this board. We are looking for sales techniques that many States have already stated are illegal. Once we find them, that information is sent to the Attorney General in the States where they are operating.

Our investigation techniques differ from the Government. We investigate from the outside in while they go after the numbers from the inside out. The numbers do not matter to us, to be quite blunt about it, if the illegal techniques are there, the numbers are too.
Please remember the people that employ these techniques don’t care if you are rich or poor, young or old, sick or well, Republican or Democrat, they do not care what color we are, what gender we are or whether we are Christian, Muslim, Buddhist or 100 other Religion’s, they ONLY care that our money is green and spends like water.

We need you, THE PEOPLE THAT THEY TRIED TO SCAM, we need you to tell your neighbors, friends, associates, family especially, but also, go to your churches and tell your Pastors and Priests tell the everyone who will listen about us and what we do. That helps us more than anything else. Get the word out that we are out here. Give them our web address and or email, the more people that learn about this the better it is for everyone else in the Country when the groups that use these techniques and tactics to pressure you into giving your hard earned money to them.

EXAMPLE OF A CURRENT ATTACK FROM US

Officer Down Foundation,

This is a message from Rev. James revjames@pfcl.org of the Holy Land Spiritual Church Inc. in Maryland and its integrated auxiliary Police Fire Crimeline (The Badge Fraud Tip Reporting Hotline) www.badgefraud.org

I am only going to tell you this one time. Don't you dare come out here on to this or any other board and try to say you are trying to help fallen police officers. You are not trying to help anyone but yourselves. You think I am going to let you talk to these people who are trying to protect themselves from you in that condescending manner. Let me see if I can explain this to your two week on the job backside. Officer Down Foundation's program is to teach Crisis Chaplaincy to Chaplains, it is not to provide benefits to the families of officers killed, they only pitch that because their real program would not get them one single donation, and every time you say they are providing benefits to families of officers killed it is a lie and a misrepresentation and is potentially criminally actionable against you personally as well as your bosses David Fair, Paul Kutac, Phil Leconte and David Deriks. http://ag.ca.gov/cms_attachments/press/pdfs/n1746_american_association_of_police_officers.pdf

I will bet you did not know that those are the same group of guys that run the Police Protective Fund and American Association of Police Officers and the Junior Police Academy. These men are so honest and hard working that even after several states sued the pants off of them they had to go out and start another identical fake charity. Remember "Operation False Charity"? Yeah, wow, they were part of it, and now look at who has come to defend them and their new carbon copy of the Multi State proven fraud the Police Protective Fund and by extension The Crisis Chaplin Project. http://www.wmctv.com/Global/story.asp?S=12576824#

You, a person that I already know has maybe 2 weeks experience on the phone. I am going to offer you some sage advice from one of your elders in what is left of that industry. GET A NEW JOB! This one is about to disappear. http://blogs.tampabay.com/bizarre/2010/05/workplace-brawl-costs-coworker-a-tooth.html (one fundraiser for Officer Down Foundation beat up another fundraiser right in the call center a few weeks ago. Type his name in here and see what you get. https://www2.myfloridacounty.com/ccm/do/docket?county=51&data=57608f8ddc597f1f978bd1ca0550fc96 Here is a link to the Sheriff of Pasco county, call him up and ask him to protect you from this group trying to scam you in the name of fallen officers http://www.pascosheriff.com/webapps/psofbdt.pgm
Check out the House of David Deirks, is your house that big? http://maps.google.com/maps?li=rwp&q=67+Rusty+Ln,+Mammoth+Lakes,+CA+93546
Check out page 5 of the book describing the “Police Protective Fund” it’s the exact same program as that of the Officer Down Foundation. How do you suppose that Officer Down Foundation wound up with the exact same program run by the exact same guy as The Police Protective Fund? They must have bought from the Police Protective Fund since it is a program and an asset of the Police Protective Fund. Whether it is a good program or not it still belongs to the people who donated to the Police Protective Fund which paid to develop and implement it. It is an asset that has mysteriously been transferred to another non profit, The Officer Down Foundation.

Now, you have called into 6 of my 50 states and misrepresented yourselves, Maryland, Virginia, Indiana, Illinois, Tennessee and North Carolina and that is a problem for your organization because that is where my organization is located and our mission is to protect charitable dollars specifically raised in the name of Officers Killed in the Line of Duty. Now let me tell you what my organization does. We search out and report fraudulent Police Fire Veteran's and Children's Charities and their professional fundraisers. We protect the money of the people who protect us.

If anyone reading this wants to help with a donation for us to keep going after these scams, feel free to email me and lets talk. revjames@pfcl.org And unlike David Fair attempting to claim 501 c3 status before it is granted, Churches, like the Holy Land Spiritual Church in the United States are granted automatic 501 c3 status so you know you can deduct your donation from your taxes when the law allows.

We also recruit former professional police fundraisers as volunteers to help us go after groups like yours and you would be welcome to join us as well. And we always want to hear any tips on fraudulent activity in public safety charities so we can report them too. The days of diverting money from non profits and charities that really give their money to the families of officers killed in the line of duty, are OVER!

What a coincidence that would be huh? A church and a Minster going after a Chaplain, I would say God called one of us and the other has a big problem not just on earth, but after life too.

Do you know how much easier our job would be if your Officer Down Foundation did not exist?

I am not the kind of minister you are probably familiar with that gets up on Sunday morning to preach about Fire and Brimstone. I am the kind of minister that BRINGS Fire and Brimstone to your doorstep.

See the problem for your organization is that because of your fraudulent activity, you are making us expend our donor’s money to investigate you because you see, that is what OUR donors (Holy Land Spiritual Church) gave their money too and they knew full well that they were giving their money for us to go after groups like yours.

That would be the exact opposite of your group where the donor’s think they are giving to the families of officers killed in the line of duty but what you dont tell them is that the money they donate is really going to David Fair's personal mission of this "Crisis Chaplain" concept.

Well if you did not know we existed before I am not surprised, they never tell you phone jockey's anything, but you are about to know we exist now.

It is our duty and responsibility to protect our donor’s money and the only way for us to do that in the case of the Officer Down Foundation is for them to shut down voluntarily or we must sue the pants off of your group until you are ended. Oh and that is not all you have to look forward too, in North Carolina where you are calling, what you are doing is considered to be a class H felony.

As for the group on this page, it would be a good idea to let your fundraiser know we are out here and now you know that we are looking at them too. I would not let them misrepresent because the first time they do and we catch them, it's all over with but the crying.

If you are reading this message then you were just called by a potentially fraudulent fundraiser for a Police Fire Veteran’s or Children’s Charity. Call your local police department immediately. These organization’s count of the fact that 99% of you do not follow through on your complain about them. That attitude is going to let them call your Grandmother next and believe me when I say they WILL take advantage of her. Give everyone you know our website address www.badgefraud.com and there they will learn everything they need to know to protect themselves and their neighbor’s. No one need donate to us for us to have your backs in this matter.

No Non Profit or Charity has to ever hear from us and they will not unless we find them using the fraudulent techniques that so many States have declared with one voice are illegal and deceptive.

It’s quite simple; if the group is operating legally, we can’t touch them. And they should not be upset with us. They will not have to compete with these shady operators in the future and will have more successful fund drives giving them more money. We have done our job’s.

WE NEED YOUR HELP – WE NEED YOUR HELP – WE NEED YOUR HELP – WE NEED YOUR HELP
We are currently tracking these people through about 1200 of their actual phone lines on message boards like this one and the only way to shake us is to change phone numbers. We expect that number to rise to around 10,000 in the coming months. Every time they get a new number to work from, as soon as they start calling they generate complaints that show up on boards like 800notes.com among others giving us their new phone number to track. In other words every time a fraud pops up, anywhere in the world, we know about it within a day or two of it beginning and can report it and attack it right away.

Please include as much information about the call as you can.

Specifically we need to know the phone number that called you? (we are building a database of every phone number that these groups use to track their call’s.)

Exactly what they told you?

Did they say they were a police officer or a fireman or a veteran? Active or Retired?

Did they say they were calling “with” or “on behalf” of an organization?

Did they say they were a charity or a non profit labor organization?

Did they try to guilt you in to giving?

Did they imply or infer that they were actual officers making the calls?

Did they use intimidation tactics? (if you felt intimidated then yes they used them)

Did they say the phrase “you not in trouble or anything” implying that you should think you might be?

Did they thank you for your past donation?

Did they imply a local connection?

The techniques these organizations employ are by their very nature, deceptive and illegal.

If they have mailed you ANY marketing material, please scan it and email it to ely@pfcl.org to include the full contents of any communication, letter, sticker, return envelope, etc etc etc. *we are only interested in what they tell you so please whit out your personal information before you email it in) we want it from every group that contacts you not just the one on this board. We are looking for sales techniques that many States have already stated are illegal. Once we find them, that information is sent to the Attorney General in the States where they are operating.

Our investigation techniques differ from the Government. We investigate from the outside in while they go after the numbers from the inside out. The numbers do not matter to us, to be quite blunt about it, if the illegal techniques are there, the numbers are too.
Please remember the people that employ these techniques don’t care if you are rich or poor, young or old, sick or well, Republican or Democrat, they do not care what color we are, what gender we are or whether we are Christian, Muslim, Buddhist or 100 other Religion’s, they ONLY care that our money is green and spends like water.

We need you, THE PEOPLE THAT THEY TRIED TO SCAM, we need you to tell your neighbors, friends, associates, family especially, but also, go to your churches and tell your Pastors and Priests tell the everyone who will listen about us and what we do. That helps us more than anything else. Get the word out that we are out here. Give them our web address and or email, the more people that learn about this the better it is for everyone else in the Country when the groups that use these techniques and tactics to pressure you into giving your hard earned money to them.

EXAMPLE OF A CURRENT ATTACK FROM US

Officer Down Foundation,

This is a message from Rev. James revjames@pfcl.org of the Holy Land Spiritual Church Inc. in Maryland and its integrated auxiliary Police Fire Crimeline (The Badge Fraud Tip Reporting Hotline) www.badgefraud.org

I am only going to tell you this one time. Don't you dare come out here on to this or any other board and try to say you are trying to help fallen police officers. You are not trying to help anyone but yourselves. You think I am going to let you talk to these people who are trying to protect themselves from you in that condescending manner. Let me see if I can explain this to your two week on the job backside. Officer Down Foundation's program is to teach Crisis Chaplaincy to Chaplains, it is not to provide benefits to the families of officers killed, they only pitch that because their real program would not get them one single donation, and every time you say they are providing benefits to families of officers killed it is a lie and a misrepresentation and is potentially criminally actionable against you personally as well as your bosses David Fair, Paul Kutac, Phil Leconte and David Deriks. http://ag.ca.gov/cms_attachments/press/pdfs/n1746_american_association_of_police_officers.pdf

I will bet you did not know that those are the same group of guys that run the Police Protective Fund and American Association of Police Officers and the Junior Police Academy. These men are so honest and hard working that even after several states sued the pants off of them they had to go out and start another identical fake charity. Remember "Operation False Charity"? Yeah, wow, they were part of it, and now look at who has come to defend them and their new carbon copy of the Multi State proven fraud the Police Protective Fund and by extension The Crisis Chaplin Project. http://www.wmctv.com/Global/story.asp?S=12576824#

You, a person that I already know has maybe 2 weeks experience on the phone. I am going to offer you some sage advice from one of your elders in what is left of that industry. GET A NEW JOB! This one is about to disappear. http://blogs.tampabay.com/bizarre/2010/05/workplace-brawl-costs-coworker-a-tooth.html (one fundraiser for Officer Down Foundation beat up another fundraiser right in the call center a few weeks ago. Type his name in here and see what you get. https://www2.myfloridacounty.com/ccm/do/docket?county=51&data=57608f8ddc597f1f978bd1ca0550fc96 Here is a link to the Sheriff of Pasco county, call him up and ask him to protect you from this group trying to scam you in the name of fallen officers http://www.pascosheriff.com/webapps/psofbdt.pgm
Check out the House of David Deirks, is your house that big? http://maps.google.com/maps?li=rwp&q=67+Rusty+Ln,+Mammoth+Lakes,+CA+93546
Check out page 5 of the book describing the “Police Protective Fund” it’s the exact same program as that of the Officer Down Foundation. How do you suppose that Officer Down Foundation wound up with the exact same program run by the exact same guy as The Police Protective Fund? They must have bought from the Police Protective Fund since it is a program and an asset of the Police Protective Fund. Whether it is a good program or not it still belongs to the people who donated to the Police Protective Fund which paid to develop and implement it. It is an asset that has mysteriously been transferred to another non profit, The Officer Down Foundation.

Now, you have called into 6 of my 50 states and misrepresented yourselves, Maryland, Virginia, Indiana, Illinois, Tennessee and North Carolina and that is a problem for your organization because that is where my organization is located and our mission is to protect charitable dollars specifically raised in the name of Officers Killed in the Line of Duty. Now let me tell you what my organization does. We search out and report fraudulent Police Fire Veteran's and Children's Charities and their professional fundraisers. We protect the money of the people who protect us.

If anyone reading this wants to help with a donation for us to keep going after these scams, feel free to email me and lets talk. revjames@pfcl.org And unlike David Fair attempting to claim 501 c3 status before it is granted, Churches, like the Holy Land Spiritual Church in the United States are granted automatic 501 c3 status so you know you can deduct your donation from your taxes when the law allows.

We also recruit former professional police fundraisers as volunteers to help us go after groups like yours and you would be welcome to join us as well. And we always want to hear any tips on fraudulent activity in public safety charities so we can report them too. The days of diverting money from non profits and charities that really give their money to the families of officers killed in the line of duty, are OVER!

What a coincidence that would be huh? A church and a Minster going after a Chaplain, I would say God called one of us and the other has a big problem not just on earth, but after life too.

Do you know how much easier our job would be if your Officer Down Foundation did not exist?

I am not the kind of minister you are probably familiar with that gets up on Sunday morning to preach about Fire and Brimstone. I am the kind of minister that BRINGS Fire and Brimstone to your doorstep.

See the problem for your organization is that because of your fraudulent activity, you are making us expend our donor’s money to investigate you because you see, that is what OUR donors (Holy Land Spiritual Church) gave their money too and they knew full well that they were giving their money for us to go after groups like yours.

That would be the exact opposite of your group where the donor’s think they are giving to the families of officers killed in the line of duty but what you dont tell them is that the money they donate is really going to David Fair's personal mission of this "Crisis Chaplain" concept.

Well if you did not know we existed before I am not surprised, they never tell you phone jockey's anything, but you are about to know we exist now.

It is our duty and responsibility to protect our donor’s money and the only way for us to do that in the case of the Officer Down Foundation is for them to shut down voluntarily or we must sue the pants off of your group until you are ended. Oh and that is not all you have to look forward too, in North Carolina where you are calling, what you are doing is considered to be a class H felony.

As for the group on this page, it would be a good idea to let your fundraiser know we are out here and now you know that we are looking at them too. I would not let them misrepresent because the first time they do and we catch them, it's all over with but the crying.

If you are reading this message then you were just called by a potentially fraudulent fundraiser for a Police Fire Veteran’s or Children’s Charity. Call your local police department immediately. These organization’s count of the fact that 99% of you do not follow through on your complain about them. That attitude is going to let them call your Grandmother next and believe me when I say they WILL take advantage of her. Give everyone you know our website address www.badgefraud.com and there they will learn everything they need to know to protect themselves and their neighbor’s. No one need donate to us for us to have your backs in this matter.

No Non Profit or Charity has to ever hear from us and they will not unless we find them using the fraudulent techniques that so many States have declared with one voice are illegal and deceptive.

It’s quite simple; if the group is operating legally, we can’t touch them. And they should not be upset with us. They will not have to compete with these shady operators in the future and will have more successful fund drives giving them more money. We have done our job’s.

WE NEED YOUR HELP – WE NEED YOUR HELP – WE NEED YOUR HELP – WE NEED YOUR HELP
We are currently tracking these people through about 1200 of their actual phone lines on message boards like this one and the only way to shake us is to change phone numbers. We expect that number to rise to around 10,000 in the coming months. Every time they get a new number to work from, as soon as they start calling they generate complaints that show up on boards like 800notes.com among others giving us their new phone number to track. In other words every time a fraud pops up, anywhere in the world, we know about it within a day or two of it beginning and can report it and attack it right away.

Please include as much information about the call as you can.

Specifically we need to know the phone number that called you? (we are building a database of every phone number that these groups use to track their call’s.)

Exactly what they told you?

Did they say they were a police officer or a fireman or a veteran? Active or Retired?

Did they say they were calling “with” or “on behalf” of an organization?

Did they say they were a charity or a non profit labor organization?

Did they try to guilt you in to giving?

Did they imply or infer that they were actual officers making the calls?

Did they use intimidation tactics? (if you felt intimidated then yes they used them)

Did they say the phrase “you not in trouble or anything” implying that you should think you might be?

Did they thank you for your past donation?

Did they imply a local connection?

The techniques these organizations employ are by their very nature, deceptive and illegal.

If they have mailed you ANY marketing material, please scan it and email it to ely@pfcl.org to include the full contents of any communication, letter, sticker, return envelope, etc etc etc. *we are only interested in what they tell you so please whit out your personal information before you email it in) we want it from every group that contacts you not just the one on this board. We are looking for sales techniques that many States have already stated are illegal. Once we find them, that information is sent to the Attorney General in the States where they are operating.

Our investigation techniques differ from the Government. We investigate from the outside in while they go after the numbers from the inside out. The numbers do not matter to us, to be quite blunt about it, if the illegal techniques are there, the numbers are too.
Please remember the people that employ these techniques don’t care if you are rich or poor, young or old, sick or well, Republican or Democrat, they do not care what color we are, what gender we are or whether we are Christian, Muslim, Buddhist or 100 other Religion’s, they ONLY care that our money is green and spends like water.

We need you, THE PEOPLE THAT THEY TRIED TO SCAM, we need you to tell your neighbors, friends, associates, family especially, but also, go to your churches and tell your Pastors and Priests tell the everyone who will listen about us and what we do. That helps us more than anything else. Get the word out that we are out here. Give them our web address and or email, the more people that learn about this the better it is for everyone else in the Country when the groups that use these techniques and tactics to pressure you into giving your hard earned money to them.

EXAMPLE OF A CURRENT ATTACK FROM US

Officer Down Foundation,

This is a message from Rev. James revjames@pfcl.org of the Holy Land Spiritual Church Inc. in Maryland and its integrated auxiliary Police Fire Crimeline (The Badge Fraud Tip Reporting Hotline) www.badgefraud.org

I am only going to tell you this one time. Don't you dare come out here on to this or any other board and try to say you are trying to help fallen police officers. You are not trying to help anyone but yourselves. You think I am going to let you talk to these people who are trying to protect themselves from you in that condescending manner. Let me see if I can explain this to your two week on the job backside. Officer Down Foundation's program is to teach Crisis Chaplaincy to Chaplains, it is not to provide benefits to the families of officers killed, they only pitch that because their real program would not get them one single donation, and every time you say they are providing benefits to families of officers killed it is a lie and a misrepresentation and is potentially criminally actionable against you personally as well as your bosses David Fair, Paul Kutac, Phil Leconte and David Deriks. http://ag.ca.gov/cms_attachments/press/pdfs/n1746_american_association_of_police_officers.pdf

I will bet you did not know that those are the same group of guys that run the Police Protective Fund and American Association of Police Officers and the Junior Police Academy. These men are so honest and hard working that even after several states sued the pants off of them they had to go out and start another identical fake charity. Remember "Operation False Charity"? Yeah, wow, they were part of it, and now look at who has come to defend them and their new carbon copy of the Multi State proven fraud the Police Protective Fund and by extension The Crisis Chaplin Project. http://www.wmctv.com/Global/story.asp?S=12576824#

You, a person that I already know has maybe 2 weeks experience on the phone. I am going to offer you some sage advice from one of your elders in what is left of that industry. GET A NEW JOB! This one is about to disappear. http://blogs.tampabay.com/bizarre/2010/05/workplace-brawl-costs-coworker-a-tooth.html (one fundraiser for Officer Down Foundation beat up another fundraiser right in the call center a few weeks ago. Type his name in here and see what you get. https://www2.myfloridacounty.com/ccm/do/docket?county=51&data=57608f8ddc597f1f978bd1ca0550fc96 Here is a link to the Sheriff of Pasco county, call him up and ask him to protect you from this group trying to scam you in the name of fallen officers http://www.pascosheriff.com/webapps/psofbdt.pgm
Check out the House of David Deirks, is your house that big? http://maps.google.com/maps?li=rwp&q=67+Rusty+Ln,+Mammoth+Lakes,+CA+93546
Check out page 5 of the book describing the “Police Protective Fund” it’s the exact same program as that of the Officer Down Foundation. How do you suppose that Officer Down Foundation wound up with the exact same program run by the exact same guy as The Police Protective Fund? They must have bought from the Police Protective Fund since it is a program and an asset of the Police Protective Fund. Whether it is a good program or not it still belongs to the people who donated to the Police Protective Fund which paid to develop and implement it. It is an asset that has mysteriously been transferred to another non profit, The Officer Down Foundation.

Now, you have called into 6 of my 50 states and misrepresented yourselves, Maryland, Virginia, Indiana, Illinois, Tennessee and North Carolina and that is a problem for your organization because that is where my organization is located and our mission is to protect charitable dollars specifically raised in the name of Officers Killed in the Line of Duty. Now let me tell you what my organization does. We search out and report fraudulent Police Fire Veteran's and Children's Charities and their professional fundraisers. We protect the money of the people who protect us.

If anyone reading this wants to help with a donation for us to keep going after these scams, feel free to email me and lets talk. revjames@pfcl.org And unlike David Fair attempting to claim 501 c3 status before it is granted, Churches, like the Holy Land Spiritual Church in the United States are granted automatic 501 c3 status so you know you can deduct your donation from your taxes when the law allows.

We also recruit former professional police fundraisers as volunteers to help us go after groups like yours and you would be welcome to join us as well. And we always want to hear any tips on fraudulent activity in public safety charities so we can report them too. The days of diverting money from non profits and charities that really give their money to the families of officers killed in the line of duty, are OVER!

What a coincidence that would be huh? A church and a Minster going after a Chaplain, I would say God called one of us and the other has a big problem not just on earth, but after life too.

Do you know how much easier our job would be if your Officer Down Foundation did not exist?

I am not the kind of minister you are probably familiar with that gets up on Sunday morning to preach about Fire and Brimstone. I am the kind of minister that BRINGS Fire and Brimstone to your doorstep.

See the problem for your organization is that because of your fraudulent activity, you are making us expend our donor’s money to investigate you because you see, that is what OUR donors (Holy Land Spiritual Church) gave their money too and they knew full well that they were giving their money for us to go after groups like yours.

That would be the exact opposite of your group where the donor’s think they are giving to the families of officers killed in the line of duty but what you dont tell them is that the money they donate is really going to David Fair's personal mission of this "Crisis Chaplain" concept.

Well if you did not know we existed before I am not surprised, they never tell you phone jockey's anything, but you are about to know we exist now.

It is our duty and responsibility to protect our donor’s money and the only way for us to do that in the case of the Officer Down Foundation is for them to shut down voluntarily or we must sue the pants off of your group until you are ended. Oh and that is not all you have to look forward too, in North Carolina where you are calling, what you are doing is considered to be a class H felony.

As for the group on this page, it would be a good idea to let your fundraiser know we are out here and now you know that we are looking at them too. I would not let them misrepresent because the first time they do and we catch them, it's all over with but the crying.

If you are reading this message then you were just called by a potentially fraudulent fundraiser for a Police Fire Veteran’s or Children’s Charity. Call your local police department immediately. These organization’s count of the fact that 99% of you do not follow through on your complain about them. That attitude is going to let them call your Grandmother next and believe me when I say they WILL take advantage of her. Give everyone you know our website address www.badgefraud.com and there they will learn everything they need to know to protect themselves and their neighbor’s. No one need donate to us for us to have your backs in this matter.

No Non Profit or Charity has to ever hear from us and they will not unless we find them using the fraudulent techniques that so many States have declared with one voice are illegal and deceptive.

It’s quite simple; if the group is operating legally, we can’t touch them. And they should not be upset with us. They will not have to compete with these shady operators in the future and will have more successful fund drives giving them more money. We have done our job’s.

WE NEED YOUR HELP – WE NEED YOUR HELP – WE NEED YOUR HELP – WE NEED YOUR HELP
We are currently tracking these people through about 1200 of their actual phone lines on message boards like this one and the only way to shake us is to change phone numbers. We expect that number to rise to around 10,000 in the coming months. Every time they get a new number to work from, as soon as they start calling they generate complaints that show up on boards like 800notes.com among others giving us their new phone number to track. In other words every time a fraud pops up, anywhere in the world, we know about it within a day or two of it beginning and can report it and attack it right away.

Please include as much information about the call as you can.

Specifically we need to know the phone number that called you? (we are building a database of every phone number that these groups use to track their call’s.)

Exactly what they told you?

Did they say they were a police officer or a fireman or a veteran? Active or Retired?

Did they say they were calling “with” or “on behalf” of an organization?

Did they say they were a charity or a non profit labor organization?

Did they try to guilt you in to giving?

Did they imply or infer that they were actual officers making the calls?

Did they use intimidation tactics? (if you felt intimidated then yes they used them)

Did they say the phrase “you not in trouble or anything” implying that you should think you might be?

Did they thank you for your past donation?

Did they imply a local connection?

The techniques these organizations employ are by their very nature, deceptive and illegal.

If they have mailed you ANY marketing material, please scan it and email it to ely@pfcl.org to include the full contents of any communication, letter, sticker, return envelope, etc etc etc. *we are only interested in what they tell you so please whit out your personal information before you email it in) we want it from every group that contacts you not just the one on this board. We are looking for sales techniques that many States have already stated are illegal. Once we find them, that information is sent to the Attorney General in the States where they are operating.

Our investigation techniques differ from the Government. We investigate from the outside in while they go after the numbers from the inside out. The numbers do not matter to us, to be quite blunt about it, if the illegal techniques are there, the numbers are too.
Please remember the people that employ these techniques don’t care if you are rich or poor, young or old, sick or well, Republican or Democrat, they do not care what color we are, what gender we are or whether we are Christian, Muslim, Buddhist or 100 other Religion’s, they ONLY care that our money is green and spends like water.

We need you, THE PEOPLE THAT THEY TRIED TO SCAM, we need you to tell your neighbors, friends, associates, family especially, but also, go to your churches and tell your Pastors and Priests tell the everyone who will listen about us and what we do. That helps us more than anything else. Get the word out that we are out here. Give them our web address and or email, the more people that learn about this the better it is for everyone else in the Country when the groups that use these techniques and tactics to pressure you into giving your hard earned money to them.

EXAMPLE OF A CURRENT ATTACK FROM US

Officer Down Foundation,

This is a message from Rev. James revjames@pfcl.org of the Holy Land Spiritual Church Inc. in Maryland and its integrated auxiliary Police Fire Crimeline (The Badge Fraud Tip Reporting Hotline) www.badgefraud.org

I am only going to tell you this one time. Don't you dare come out here on to this or any other board and try to say you are trying to help fallen police officers. You are not trying to help anyone but yourselves. You think I am going to let you talk to these people who are trying to protect themselves from you in that condescending manner. Let me see if I can explain this to your two week on the job backside. Officer Down Foundation's program is to teach Crisis Chaplaincy to Chaplains, it is not to provide benefits to the families of officers killed, they only pitch that because their real program would not get them one single donation, and every time you say they are providing benefits to families of officers killed it is a lie and a misrepresentation and is potentially criminally actionable against you personally as well as your bosses David Fair, Paul Kutac, Phil Leconte and David Deriks.

I will bet you did not know that those are the same group of guys that run the Police Protective Fund and American Association of Police Officers and the Junior Police Academy. These men are so honest and hard working that even after several states sued the pants off of them they had to go out and start another identical fake charity. Remember "Operation False Charity"? Yeah, wow, they were part of it, and now look at who has come to defend them and their new carbon copy of the Multi State proven fraud the Police Protective Fund and by extension The Crisis Chaplin Project.

You, a person that I already know has maybe 2 weeks experience on the phone. I am going to offer you some sage advice from one of your elders in what is left of that industry. GET A NEW JOB! This one is about to disappear.

Now, you have called into 6 of my 50 states and misrepresented yourselves, Maryland, Virginia, Indiana, Illinois, Tennessee and North Carolina and that is a problem for your organization because that is where my organization is located and our mission is to protect charitable dollars specifically raised in the name of Officers Killed in the Line of Duty. Now let me tell you what my organization does. We search out and report fraudulent Police Fire Veteran's and Children's Charities and their professional fundraisers. We protect the money of the people who protect us.

If anyone reading this wants to help with a donation for us to keep going after these scams, feel free to email me and lets talk. revjames@pfcl.org And unlike David Fair attempting to claim 501 c3 status before it is granted, Churches, like the Holy Land Spiritual Church in the United States are granted automatic 501 c3 status so you know you can deduct your donation from your taxes when the law allows.

We also recruit former professional police fundraisers as volunteers to help us go after groups like yours and you would be welcome to join us as well. And we always want to hear any tips on fraudulent activity in public safety charities so we can report them too. The days of diverting money from non profits and charities that really give their money to the families of officers killed in the line of duty, are OVER!

What a coincidence that would be huh? A church and a Minster going after a Chaplain, I would say God called one of us and the other has a big problem not just on earth, but after life too.

Do you know how much easier our job would be if your Officer Down Foundation did not exist?

I am not the kind of minister you are probably familiar with that gets up on Sunday morning to preach about Fire and Brimstone. I am the kind of minister that BRINGS Fire and Brimstone to your doorstep.

See the problem for your organization is that because of your fraudulent activity, you are making us expend our donor’s money to investigate you because you see, that is what OUR donors (Holy Land Spiritual Church) gave their money too and they knew full well that they were giving their money for us to go after groups like yours.

That would be the exact opposite of your group where the donor’s think they are giving to the families of officers killed in the line of duty but what you dont tell them is that the money they donate is really going to David Fair's personal mission of this "Crisis Chaplain" concept.

Well if you did not know we existed before I am not surprised, they never tell you phone jockey's anything, but you are about to know we exist now.

It is our duty and responsibility to protect our donor’s money and the only way for us to do that in the case of the Officer Down Foundation is for them to shut down voluntarily or we must sue the pants off of your group until you are ended. Oh and that is not all you have to look forward too, in North Carolina where you are calling, what you are doing is considered to be a class H felony.

6:2
When any of you sin and commit a trespass against the Lord by deceiving a neighbor in a matter of a deposit or a pledge, or by robbery, or if you have defrauded a neighbor,

6:3
or have found something lost and lied about it—if you swear falsely regarding any of the various things that one may do and sin thereby—

6:4
when you have sinned and realize your guilt, and would restore what you took by robbery or by fraud or the deposit that was committed to you, or the lost thing that you found,

6:5
or anything else about which you have sworn falsely, you shall repay the principal amount and shall add one-fifth to it. You shall pay it to its owner when you realize your guilt.

We stand on the First Amendment to the
United States Constitution.

Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

As for the group on this page, it would be a good idea to let your fundraiser know we are out here and now you know that we are looking at them too. I would not let them misrepresent because the first time they do and we catch them, it's all over with but the crying.

If you are reading this message then you were just called by a potentially fraudulent fundraiser for a Police Fire Veteran’s or Children’s Charity. Call your local police department immediately. These organization’s count of the fact that 99% of you do not follow through on your complain about them. That attitude is going to let them call your Grandmother next and believe me when I say they WILL take advantage of her. Give everyone you know our website address www.badgefraud.com and there they will learn everything they need to know to protect themselves and their neighbor’s. No one need donate to us for us to have your backs in this matter.

No Non Profit or Charity has to ever hear from us and they will not unless we find them using the fraudulent techniques that so many States have declared with one voice are illegal and deceptive.

It’s quite simple; if the group is operating legally, we can’t touch them. And they should not be upset with us. They will not have to compete with these shady operators in the future and will have more successful fund drives giving them more money. We have done our job’s.

WE NEED YOUR HELP – WE NEED YOUR HELP – WE NEED YOUR HELP – WE NEED YOUR HELP
We are currently tracking these people through about 1200 of their actual phone lines on message boards like this one and the only way to shake us is to change phone numbers. We expect that number to rise to around 10,000 in the coming months. Every time they get a new number to work from, as soon as they start calling they generate complaints that show up on boards like 800notes.com among others giving us their new phone number to track. In other words every time a fraud pops up, anywhere in the world, we know about it within a day or two of it beginning and can report it and attack it right away.

Please include as much information about the call as you can.

Specifically we need to know the phone number that called you? (we are building a database of every phone number that these groups use to track their call’s.)

Exactly what they told you?

Did they say they were a police officer or a fireman or a veteran? Active or Retired?

Did they say they were calling “with” or “on behalf” of an organization?

Did they say they were a charity or a non profit labor organization?

Did they try to guilt you in to giving?

Did they imply or infer that they were actual officers making the calls?

Did they use intimidation tactics? (if you felt intimidated then yes they used them)

Did they say the phrase “you not in trouble or anything” implying that you should think you might be?

Did they thank you for your past donation?

Did they imply a local connection?

The techniques these organizations employ are by their very nature, deceptive and illegal.

If they have mailed you ANY marketing material, please scan it and email it to ely@pfcl.org to include the full contents of any communication, letter, sticker, return envelope, etc etc etc. *we are only interested in what they tell you so please whit out your personal information before you email it in) we want it from every group that contacts you not just the one on this board. We are looking for sales techniques that many States have already stated are illegal. Once we find them, that information is sent to the Attorney General in the States where they are operating.

Our investigation techniques differ from the Government. We investigate from the outside in while they go after the numbers from the inside out. The numbers do not matter to us, to be quite blunt about it, if the illegal techniques are there, the numbers are too.
Please remember the people that employ these techniques don’t care if you are rich or poor, young or old, sick or well, Republican or Democrat, they do not care what color we are, what gender we are or whether we are Christian, Muslim, Buddhist or 100 other Religion’s, they ONLY care that our money is green and spends like water.

We need you, THE PEOPLE THAT THEY TRIED TO SCAM, we need you to tell your neighbors, friends, associates, family especially, but also, go to your churches and tell your Pastors and Priests tell the everyone who will listen about us and what we do. That helps us more than anything else. Get the word out that we are out here. Give them our web address and or email, the more people that learn about this the better it is for everyone else in the Country when the groups that use these techniques and tactics to pressure you into giving your hard earned money to them.

EXAMPLE OF A CURRENT ATTACK FROM US

Officer Down Foundation,

This is a message from Rev. James revjames@pfcl.org of the Holy Land Spiritual Church Inc. in Maryland and its integrated auxiliary Police Fire Crimeline (The Badge Fraud Tip Reporting Hotline) www.badgefraud.org

I am only going to tell you this one time. Don't you dare come out here on to this or any other board and try to say you are trying to help fallen police officers. You are not trying to help anyone but yourselves. You think I am going to let you talk to these people who are trying to protect themselves from you in that condescending manner. Let me see if I can explain this to your two week on the job backside. Officer Down Foundation's program is to teach Crisis Chaplaincy to Chaplains, it is not to provide benefits to the families of officers killed, they only pitch that because their real program would not get them one single donation, and every time you say they are providing benefits to families of officers killed it is a lie and a misrepresentation and is potentially criminally actionable against you personally as well as your bosses David Fair, Paul Kutac, Phil Leconte and David Deriks.

I will bet you did not know that those are the same group of guys that run the Police Protective Fund and American Association of Police Officers and the Junior Police Academy. These men are so honest and hard working that even after several states sued the pants off of them they had to go out and start another identical fake charity. Remember "Operation False Charity"? Yeah, wow, they were part of it, and now look at who has come to defend them and their new carbon copy of the Multi State proven fraud the Police Protective Fund and by extension The Crisis Chaplin Project.

You, a person that I already know has maybe 2 weeks experience on the phone. I am going to offer you some sage advice from one of your elders in what is left of that industry. GET A NEW JOB! This one is about to disappear.

Now, you have called into 6 of my 50 states and misrepresented yourselves, Maryland, Virginia, Indiana, Illinois, Tennessee and North Carolina and that is a problem for your organization because that is where my organization is located and our mission is to protect charitable dollars specifically raised in the name of Officers Killed in the Line of Duty. Now let me tell you what my organization does. We search out and report fraudulent Police Fire Veteran's and Children's Charities and their professional fundraisers. We protect the money of the people who protect us.

If anyone reading this wants to help with a donation for us to keep going after these scams, feel free to email me and lets talk. revjames@pfcl.org And unlike David Fair attempting to claim 501 c3 status before it is granted, Churches, like the Holy Land Spiritual Church in the United States are granted automatic 501 c3 status so you know you can deduct your donation from your taxes when the law allows.

We also recruit former professional police fundraisers as volunteers to help us go after groups like yours and you would be welcome to join us as well. And we always want to hear any tips on fraudulent activity in public safety charities so we can report them too. The days of diverting money from non profits and charities that really give their money to the families of officers killed in the line of duty, are OVER!

What a coincidence that would be huh? A church and a Minster going after a Chaplain, I would say God called one of us and the other has a big problem not just on earth, but after life too.

Do you know how much easier our job would be if your Officer Down Foundation did not exist?

I am not the kind of minister you are probably familiar with that gets up on Sunday morning to preach about Fire and Brimstone. I am the kind of minister that BRINGS Fire and Brimstone to your doorstep.

See the problem for your organization is that because of your fraudulent activity, you are making us expend our donor’s money to investigate you because you see, that is what OUR donors (Holy Land Spiritual Church) gave their money too and they knew full well that they were giving their money for us to go after groups like yours.

That would be the exact opposite of your group where the donor’s think they are giving to the families of officers killed in the line of duty but what you dont tell them is that the money they donate is really going to David Fair's personal mission of this "Crisis Chaplain" concept.

Well if you did not know we existed before I am not surprised, they never tell you phone jockey's anything, but you are about to know we exist now.

It is our duty and responsibility to protect our donor’s money and the only way for us to do that in the case of the Officer Down Foundation is for them to shut down voluntarily or we must sue the pants off of your group until you are ended. Oh and that is not all you have to look forward too, in North Carolina where you are calling, what you are doing is considered to be a class H felony.

6:2
When any of you sin and commit a trespass against the Lord by deceiving a neighbor in a matter of a deposit or a pledge, or by robbery, or if you have defrauded a neighbor,

6:3
or have found something lost and lied about it—if you swear falsely regarding any of the various things that one may do and sin thereby—

6:4
when you have sinned and realize your guilt, and would restore what you took by robbery or by fraud or the deposit that was committed to you, or the lost thing that you found,

6:5
or anything else about which you have sworn falsely, you shall repay the principal amount and shall add one-fifth to it. You shall pay it to its owner when you realize your guilt.

We stand on the First Amendment to the
United States Constitution.

Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

As for the group on this page, it would be a good idea to let your fundraiser know we are out here and now you know that we are looking at them too. I would not let them misrepresent because the first time they do and we catch them, it's all over with but the crying.

If you are reading this message then you were just called by a potentially fraudulent fundraiser for a Police Fire Veteran’s or Children’s Charity. Call your local police department immediately. These organization’s count of the fact that 99% of you do not follow through on your complain about them. That attitude is going to let them call your Grandmother next and believe me when I say they WILL take advantage of her. Give everyone you know our website address www.badgefraud.com and there they will learn everything they need to know to protect themselves and their neighbor’s. No one need donate to us for us to have your backs in this matter.

No Non Profit or Charity has to ever hear from us and they will not unless we find them using the fraudulent techniques that so many States have declared with one voice are illegal and deceptive.

It’s quite simple; if the group is operating legally, we can’t touch them. And they should not be upset with us. They will not have to compete with these shady operators in the future and will have more successful fund drives giving them more money. We have done our job’s.

WE NEED YOUR HELP – WE NEED YOUR HELP – WE NEED YOUR HELP – WE NEED YOUR HELP
We are currently tracking these people through about 1200 of their actual phone lines on message boards like this one and the only way to shake us is to change phone numbers. We expect that number to rise to around 10,000 in the coming months. Every time they get a new number to work from, as soon as they start calling they generate complaints that show up on boards like 800notes.com among others giving us their new phone number to track. In other words every time a fraud pops up, anywhere in the world, we know about it within a day or two of it beginning and can report it and attack it right away.

Please include as much information about the call as you can.

Specifically we need to know the phone number that called you? (we are building a database of every phone number that these groups use to track their call’s.)

Exactly what they told you?

Did they say they were a police officer or a fireman or a veteran? Active or Retired?

Did they say they were calling “with” or “on behalf” of an organization?

Did they say they were a charity or a non profit labor organization?

Did they try to guilt you in to giving?

Did they imply or infer that they were actual officers making the calls?

Did they use intimidation tactics? (if you felt intimidated then yes they used them)

Did they say the phrase “you not in trouble or anything” implying that you should think you might be?

Did they thank you for your past donation?

Did they imply a local connection?

The techniques these organizations employ are by their very nature, deceptive and illegal.

If they have mailed you ANY marketing material, please scan it and email it to ely@pfcl.org to include the full contents of any communication, letter, sticker, return envelope, etc etc etc. *we are only interested in what they tell you so please whit out your personal information before you email it in) we want it from every group that contacts you not just the one on this board. We are looking for sales techniques that many States have already stated are illegal. Once we find them, that information is sent to the Attorney General in the States where they are operating.

Our investigation techniques differ from the Government. We investigate from the outside in while they go after the numbers from the inside out. The numbers do not matter to us, to be quite blunt about it, if the illegal techniques are there, the numbers are too.
Please remember the people that employ these techniques don’t care if you are rich or poor, young or old, sick or well, Republican or Democrat, they do not care what color we are, what gender we are or whether we are Christian, Muslim, Buddhist or 100 other Religion’s, they ONLY care that our money is green and spends like water.

We need you, THE PEOPLE THAT THEY TRIED TO SCAM, we need you to tell your neighbors, friends, associates, family especially, but also, go to your churches and tell your Pastors and Priests tell the everyone who will listen about us and what we do. That helps us more than anything else. Get the word out that we are out here. Give them our web address and or email, the more people that learn about this the better it is for everyone else in the Country when the groups that use these techniques and tactics to pressure you into giving your hard earned money to them.

EXAMPLE OF A CURRENT ATTACK FROM US

Officer Down Foundation,

This is a message from Rev. James revjames@pfcl.org of the Holy Land Spiritual Church Inc. in Maryland and its integrated auxiliary Police Fire Crimeline (The Badge Fraud Tip Reporting Hotline) www.badgefraud.org

I am only going to tell you this one time. Don't you dare come out here on to this or any other board and try to say you are trying to help fallen police officers. You are not trying to help anyone but yourselves. You think I am going to let you talk to these people who are trying to protect themselves from you in that condescending manner. Let me see if I can explain this to your two week on the job backside. Officer Down Foundation's program is to teach Crisis Chaplaincy to Chaplains, it is not to provide benefits to the families of officers killed, they only pitch that because their real program would not get them one single donation, and every time you say they are providing benefits to families of officers killed it is a lie and a misrepresentation and is potentially criminally actionable against you personally as well as your bosses David Fair, Paul Kutac, Phil Leconte and David Deriks.

I will bet you did not know that those are the same group of guys that run the Police Protective Fund and American Association of Police Officers and the Junior Police Academy. These men are so honest and hard working that even after several states sued the pants off of them they had to go out and start another identical fake charity. Remember "Operation False Charity"? Yeah, wow, they were part of it, and now look at who has come to defend them and their new carbon copy of the Multi State proven fraud the Police Protective Fund and by extension The Crisis Chaplin Project.

You, a person that I already know has maybe 2 weeks experience on the phone. I am going to offer you some sage advice from one of your elders in what is left of that industry. GET A NEW JOB! This one is about to disappear.

Now, you have called into 6 of my 50 states and misrepresented yourselves, Maryland, Virginia, Indiana, Illinois, Tennessee and North Carolina and that is a problem for your organization because that is where my organization is located and our mission is to protect charitable dollars specifically raised in the name of Officers Killed in the Line of Duty. Now let me tell you what my organization does. We search out and report fraudulent Police Fire Veteran's and Children's Charities and their professional fundraisers. We protect the money of the people who protect us.

If anyone reading this wants to help with a donation for us to keep going after these scams, feel free to email me and lets talk. revjames@pfcl.org And unlike David Fair attempting to claim 501 c3 status before it is granted, Churches, like the Holy Land Spiritual Church in the United States are granted automatic 501 c3 status so you know you can deduct your donation from your taxes when the law allows.

We also recruit former professional police fundraisers as volunteers to help us go after groups like yours and you would be welcome to join us as well. And we always want to hear any tips on fraudulent activity in public safety charities so we can report them too. The days of diverting money from non profits and charities that really give their money to the families of officers killed in the line of duty, are OVER!

What a coincidence that would be huh? A church and a Minster going after a Chaplain, I would say God called one of us and the other has a big problem not just on earth, but after life too.

Do you know how much easier our job would be if your Officer Down Foundation did not exist?

I am not the kind of minister you are probably familiar with that gets up on Sunday morning to preach about Fire and Brimstone. I am the kind of minister that BRINGS Fire and Brimstone to your doorstep.

See the problem for your organization is that because of your fraudulent activity, you are making us expend our donor’s money to investigate you because you see, that is what OUR donors (Holy Land Spiritual Church) gave their money too and they knew full well that they were giving their money for us to go after groups like yours.

That would be the exact opposite of your group where the donor’s think they are giving to the families of officers killed in the line of duty but what you dont tell them is that the money they donate is really going to David Fair's personal mission of this "Crisis Chaplain" concept.

Well if you did not know we existed before I am not surprised, they never tell you phone jockey's anything, but you are about to know we exist now.

It is our duty and responsibility to protect our donor’s money and the only way for us to do that in the case of the Officer Down Foundation is for them to shut down voluntarily or we must sue the pants off of your group until you are ended. Oh and that is not all you have to look forward too, in North Carolina where you are calling, what you are doing is considered to be a class H felony.

6:2
When any of you sin and commit a trespass against the Lord by deceiving a neighbor in a matter of a deposit or a pledge, or by robbery, or if you have defrauded a neighbor,

6:3
or have found something lost and lied about it—if you swear falsely regarding any of the various things that one may do and sin thereby—

6:4
when you have sinned and realize your guilt, and would restore what you took by robbery or by fraud or the deposit that was committed to you, or the lost thing that you found,

6:5
or anything else about which you have sworn falsely, you shall repay the principal amount and shall add one-fifth to it. You shall pay it to its owner when you realize your guilt.

We stand on the First Amendment to the
United States Constitution.

Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

As for the group on this page, it would be a good idea to let your fundraiser know we are out here and now you know that we are looking at them too. I would not let them misrepresent because the first time they do and we catch them, it's all over with but the crying.

If you are reading this message then you were just called by a potentially fraudulent fundraiser for a Police Fire Veteran’s or Children’s Charity. Call your local police department immediately. These organization’s count of the fact that 99% of you do not follow through on your complain about them. That attitude is going to let them call your Grandmother next and believe me when I say they WILL take advantage of her. Give everyone you know our website address www.badgefraud.com and there they will learn everything they need to know to protect themselves and their neighbor’s. No one need donate to us for us to have your backs in this matter.

No Non Profit or Charity has to ever hear from us and they will not unless we find them using the fraudulent techniques that so many States have declared with one voice are illegal and deceptive.

It’s quite simple; if the group is operating legally, we can’t touch them. And they should not be upset with us. They will not have to compete with these shady operators in the future and will have more successful fund drives giving them more money. We have done our job’s.

WE NEED YOUR HELP – WE NEED YOUR HELP – WE NEED YOUR HELP – WE NEED YOUR HELP
We are currently tracking these people through about 1200 of their actual phone lines on message boards like this one and the only way to shake us is to change phone numbers. We expect that number to rise to around 10,000 in the coming months. Every time they get a new number to work from, as soon as they start calling they generate complaints that show up on boards like 800notes.com among others giving us their new phone number to track. In other words every time a fraud pops up, anywhere in the world, we know about it within a day or two of it beginning and can report it and attack it right away.

Please include as much information about the call as you can.

Specifically we need to know the phone number that called you? (we are building a database of every phone number that these groups use to track their call’s.)

Exactly what they told you?

Did they say they were a police officer or a fireman or a veteran? Active or Retired?

Did they say they were calling “with” or “on behalf” of an organization?

Did they say they were a charity or a non profit labor organization?

Did they try to guilt you in to giving?

Did they imply or infer that they were actual officers making the calls?

Did they use intimidation tactics? (if you felt intimidated then yes they used them)

Did they say the phrase “you not in trouble or anything” implying that you should think you might be?

Did they thank you for your past donation?

Did they imply a local connection?

The techniques these organizations employ are by their very nature, deceptive and illegal.

If they have mailed you ANY marketing material, please scan it and email it to ely@pfcl.org to include the full contents of any communication, letter, sticker, return envelope, etc etc etc. *we are only interested in what they tell you so please whit out your personal information before you email it in) we want it from every group that contacts you not just the one on this board. We are looking for sales techniques that many States have already stated are illegal. Once we find them, that information is sent to the Attorney General in the States where they are operating.

Our investigation techniques differ from the Government. We investigate from the outside in while they go after the numbers from the inside out. The numbers do not matter to us, to be quite blunt about it, if the illegal techniques are there, the numbers are too.
Please remember the people that employ these techniques don’t care if you are rich or poor, young or old, sick or well, Republican or Democrat, they do not care what color we are, what gender we are or whether we are Christian, Muslim, Buddhist or 100 other Religion’s, they ONLY care that our money is green and spends like water.

We need you, THE PEOPLE THAT THEY TRIED TO SCAM, we need you to tell your neighbors, friends, associates, family especially, but also, go to your churches and tell your Pastors and Priests tell the everyone who will listen about us and what we do. That helps us more than anything else. Get the word out that we are out here. Give them our web address and or email, the more people that learn about this the better it is for everyone else in the Country when the groups that use these techniques and tactics to pressure you into giving your hard earned money to them.

EXAMPLE OF A CURRENT ATTACK FROM US

Officer Down Foundation,

This is a message from Rev. James revjames@pfcl.org of the Holy Land Spiritual Church Inc. in Maryland and its integrated auxiliary Police Fire Crimeline (The Badge Fraud Tip Reporting Hotline) www.badgefraud.org

I am only going to tell you this one time. Don't you dare come out here on to this or any other board and try to say you are trying to help fallen police officers. You are not trying to help anyone but yourselves. You think I am going to let you talk to these people who are trying to protect themselves from you in that condescending manner. Let me see if I can explain this to your two week on the job backside. Officer Down Foundation's program is to teach Crisis Chaplaincy to Chaplains, it is not to provide benefits to the families of officers killed, they only pitch that because their real program would not get them one single donation, and every time you say they are providing benefits to families of officers killed it is a lie and a misrepresentation and is potentially criminally actionable against you personally as well as your bosses David Fair, Paul Kutac, Phil Leconte and David Deriks.

I will bet you did not know that those are the same group of guys that run the Police Protective Fund and American Association of Police Officers and the Junior Police Academy. These men are so honest and hard working that even after several states sued the pants off of them they had to go out and start another identical fake charity. Remember "Operation False Charity"? Yeah, wow, they were part of it, and now look at who has come to defend them and their new carbon copy of the Multi State proven fraud the Police Protective Fund and by extension The Crisis Chaplin Project.

You, a person that I already know has maybe 2 weeks experience on the phone. I am going to offer you some sage advice from one of your elders in what is left of that industry. GET A NEW JOB! This one is about to disappear.

Now, you have called into 6 of my 50 states and misrepresented yourselves, Maryland, Virginia, Indiana, Illinois, Tennessee and North Carolina and that is a problem for your organization because that is where my organization is located and our mission is to protect charitable dollars specifically raised in the name of Officers Killed in the Line of Duty. Now let me tell you what my organization does. We search out and report fraudulent Police Fire Veteran's and Children's Charities and their professional fundraisers. We protect the money of the people who protect us.

If anyone reading this wants to help with a donation for us to keep going after these scams, feel free to email me and lets talk. revjames@pfcl.org And unlike David Fair attempting to claim 501 c3 status before it is granted, Churches, like the Holy Land Spiritual Church in the United States are granted automatic 501 c3 status so you know you can deduct your donation from your taxes when the law allows.

We also recruit former professional police fundraisers as volunteers to help us go after groups like yours and you would be welcome to join us as well. And we always want to hear any tips on fraudulent activity in public safety charities so we can report them too. The days of diverting money from non profits and charities that really give their money to the families of officers killed in the line of duty, are OVER!

What a coincidence that would be huh? A church and a Minster going after a Chaplain, I would say God called one of us and the other has a big problem not just on earth, but after life too.

Do you know how much easier our job would be if your Officer Down Foundation did not exist?

I am not the kind of minister you are probably familiar with that gets up on Sunday morning to preach about Fire and Brimstone. I am the kind of minister that BRINGS Fire and Brimstone to your doorstep.

See the problem for your organization is that because of your fraudulent activity, you are making us expend our donor’s money to investigate you because you see, that is what OUR donors (Holy Land Spiritual Church) gave their money too and they knew full well that they were giving their money for us to go after groups like yours.

That would be the exact opposite of your group where the donor’s think they are giving to the families of officers killed in the line of duty but what you dont tell them is that the money they donate is really going to David Fair's personal mission of this "Crisis Chaplain" concept.

Well if you did not know we existed before I am not surprised, they never tell you phone jockey's anything, but you are about to know we exist now.

It is our duty and responsibility to protect our donor’s money and the only way for us to do that in the case of the Officer Down Foundation is for them to shut down voluntarily or we must sue the pants off of your group until you are ended. Oh and that is not all you have to look forward too, in North Carolina where you are calling, what you are doing is considered to be a class H felony.

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When any of you sin and commit a trespass against the Lord by deceiving a neighbor in a matter of a deposit or a pledge, or by robbery, or if you have defrauded a neighbor,

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or have found something lost and lied about it—if you swear falsely regarding any of the various things that one may do and sin thereby—

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when you have sinned and realize your guilt, and would restore what you took by robbery or by fraud or the deposit that was committed to you, or the lost thing that you found,

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or anything else about which you have sworn falsely, you shall repay the principal amount and shall add one-fifth to it. You shall pay it to its owner when you realize your guilt.

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United States Constitution.

Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.