My father was an illegal immigrant from Canada. He came down during the great depression of the 1930's. He worked for the Union Pacific Railroad for over 40 years before he retired. None of us knew that he was an illegal until after he died.

Of his 7 children, all but one got a B.A. or higher (and that one made more money that the rest of us combined). Three of us served in the U.S. Armed Forces, and all of us are responsible citizens of this country.

NOBODY provided for my father or for his family. He worked his entire life, until retirement. he BOUGHT his home, he didn't live in government housing. All of his children earned their way through school.

I didn't particularly like him, he and my mother split up when I was only two. I didn't really get to know him until after I was an adult.

But he EARNED his way through life, as most illegal aliens do. They don't get welfare, etc., they WORK for their keep.

Once again, you jump to all of the wrong conclusions. You are so quick to condemn others, when you know nothing at all.

Tell us oh smart one, how far have YOU gone through school? What is YOUR profession? How have any of YOUR children done in life?

You and your ilk want those of us that have worked hard, to provide a comfortable life for you. Why should we? What have you done to earn a more comfortable life? I suspect that my older brother pays more in taxes every year than you make. He got there throuh her own very hard work and his inate talent.

Nobody gave anyone in my family a damn thing, so why should we share our success with losers like you? You're right, I don't want to see people like you obtain all of the benefits of hard work, while doing nothing.

If you want it, WORK FOR IT! GET OFF YOUR LAZY ASS, GET AN EDUCATION AND WORK HARD FOR THE BENEFITS. If you are not willing to do that, then just shut up.

I will repeat some rather famous words: "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country."

And tell me, why are you advocating so hard for American benefits, on a Canadian forum? Doesn't make much sense, does it?

Blue, you must believe in fairies, the "little people" and many other fantasies.

Where does government get the money to provide anything for anyone? They get it through taxes. In other words, those of us that have made a success of ourselves have to pay for the government to provide benefits for people like you that want to take, take , take.

Is it my fault that you did not get an adequate education so you could enter a profession? Is it my fault if you had more children than you could afford? Is it my fault that you toiled at a low paying job all of your life?

No, those things are NOT MY fault, so why should I have to pay for YOUR mistakes?

That is the difference between you and me, I believe that people should be self sufficient, and you believe that you are entitled to have whatever you want.

It doesn't fall off the trees my dear Blue. The government has to raise the money to pay for programs like you want. The only way they can raise money is to raise taxes.

Plus, if they provide the service, they will also control that service. So, you could easily end up like my grandmother, denied surgery, so you die!

ILLEGAL ALIEN: An "illegal alien" is a foreigner who (1) does not owe allegiance to our country; and (2) who has violated our laws and customs in establishing residence in our country. He or she is therefore a criminal under applicable U.S. laws.

The term "illegal alien" is used by U.S. citizens who believe that non-citizens entering our country must comply with our immigration laws.

The term "illegal alien" is predicated upon U.S. immigration law which requires foreigners entering the U.S. to comply with our country's rules and laws regarding entry into, and residence within, our country.

P.S. Obviously, you don't know this, but Club Conspiracy is about the world. Just because the FORUM originates from Canada, doesn't mean the only subject matter that can be discussed is about that COUNTRY!

I would think you would be able to comprehend this just by looking at the format.

I am for a minefield between Mexico and America. Post warnings in English and Spanish. ALso, a two story tall wall.
If they want to come across illegally and blow themselves up, that's their problem.

Good for you BA, but if you think that everyone coming across the border illegally has the same values as you do, you are sadly mistaken. The border should be closed, by whatever means necessary. Period.

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