You shills ought to give this up. His mother was an American citizen, and any child born to an American citizen is an American citizen, no matter where in the world the child is born.Here's something so simple that even a denier like you can do it. Here it comes...

Give the definition of what a natural born citizen is according to the Constitution.

It is ironic that you should use a word like shill to describe people on a thread like this.

People, like myself, who believe the constitution is worthy to defend are entitled to see the evidence that is admissible in a court of law that shows Barack Hussein Obama is a natural born citizen. The first item in that determination is his birth record(s) from the state of Hawaii that shows the hospital and his parent(s) (I am not discounting he could have been a bastard child on his original record).

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posted on 04/16/2010 5:14:49 AM PDT
by missnry
(The truth will set you free ... and drive liberals Crazy!)

His mother was an American citizen, and any child born to an American citizen is an American citizen, no matter where in the world the child is born.

That is correct. However, the Constitutional requirements for a President are "Natural born citizen". That means both parents must be American citizens, and the child is to be born on soverign American soil. (That includes consulates or military bases.)

Last night.O’Reilly held up a copy of Obama’s birth announcement in the Hawaii paper as proof of O’s Hawaiian birth. When any of my grandchildren were born all I had to do was e-mail an announcement to the local paper, about their births, and it would be printed in the next edition. So, I say big deal O’Reilly. He also held up the short form birth certificate as proof.

When I return to the USA, my citizenship is doubted and so I must show a passport. To get my first passport I had to show a certified copy of my birth certificate. I can put my hands on such a copy and on all of my old passports within minutes. The only reason I might not want to show any of these to anyone would be if I wanted to travel to an Arab country, some might not like the Israeli stamps on the visa pages. (And soon maybe even England won't like them either!)

Further there is no evidence, nor any suspicion, that I ever was a citizen of some other country nor that I renounced my American citizenship.

By comparison, the is such evidence that Obama was an Indonesian citizen. There is evidence that his parents renounced his American citizenship on his behalf. There is evidence that he was born in Kenya. He refuses to make certified copies of his birth certificate available or to produce his old passports available for inspection.

I cannot imagine why anyone would NOT harbor some doubt about Obama citizenship.

It must be too early in the morning for trolls since the majority of comments in this thread are on point. Your comment however is not, though perhaps you don't understand the definition used as late as 2008 by the entire senate in Senate Res. 511. A natural born citizen is “born in the country of parents who are its citizens.” Since Obama told us that his father was never a citizen, and was in fact a British subject, making Junior a British Subject, no birth certificate, and no other document is necessary or relevant. Obama is not a natural born citizen. He does not believe the Constitution is inviolate, even though he swore an oath to uphold it. He knows it, but is clearly confident that he has the power to shield himself from having to answer any questions. He clearly believes no one in government will dare to challenge him. What is missing is a judicial system with the courage to uphold the Constitution, or legislators with the courage, since they signed a similar oath, or enough military officers, since only a few have have challenged Obama’s eligibility, Dr. Lakin the latest.

Read about Breckenridge Long in the Post and eMail. Long was later AG for FDR. Woodrow Wilson's opponent in 1916, Charles Evans Hughes, had a British father. Breckenridge wrote a perfectly clear essay for the Chicago Law Journal explaining that Hughes, later chief justice of the supreme court, was ineligible because he was born of British parents. Read about Dr. David Ramsay, President of the Congress United (Continental Congress) in 1785, before the Constitution. Ramsay was the author of History of the U.S. Before the Revolution. He wrote an essay about citizenship, restating and explaining the history of the definition “born in the country of citizen parents.” You can find the Ramsay essay in the appendix to the Kerchner Appuzo suit at http://puzo1.blogspot.com.

If the house is returned to conservative majority in November, there may be the will to raise the issue. The supreme court will need to confirm the historical - common law - definition. Obama appointees will probably need to recuse themselves. Turmoil will follow, but no worse than the the impending failure of our economic system. Then there will be another election, since every senator refused to investigate Obama’s eligibility and both Hillary and Joe Biden were among them. Nancy Pelosi signed at least two vouchers stating that Obama was a natural born citizen. This is not about birth certificates, it is about dereliction of duty by our representatives. Obama is patently ineligible because of a definition confirmed by three supreme court chief justices, Marshall, Waite, and, ironically, Charles Evans Hughes in Perkin v. Elg in 1936, even though he tried to ignore Article II Section 1 when he ran for president. It was also clearly stated by the remarkable author of the 14th Amendment John Bingam, the abolitionist congressman from Ohio who prosecuted Lincoln's assassins.

You shills ought to give this up. His mother was an American citizen, and any child born to an American citizen is an American citizen, no matter where in the world the child is born.

And you should learn the law that existed in 1961(and still does today with some slight changes). His mother didn't meet the criteria necessary for him to be a US citizen if he was born out of the country, to ONE US citizen parent, it has to be two if the criteria isn't met. Look it up or simply pay attention. It has been explained about 10,000 times on FR alone. Why else do you think Bozo is fighting so hard to keep this out of the courts?

I am not a birther but I would love to see this guy's BC, the real one, not the fake POS paper that was touted as his.

Don't break out the champaign yet. All he did was render the original MTD moot when Orly amended her complaint. A little bit of legalese that birthers (who've never shown any understanding of how the legal process is played out) will naturally misinterpret as a huge victory.

He can(?) be an American citizen, but there is NO way he IS or have ever BEEN a natural born citizen. Native citizen, maybe, but also in question. Dual, triple and quadruple of his citizenship are at play here. Illegal to occupy the White House as the “Resident”!!!

...trying to change America...And one of those changes could be who can and can't run for POTUS.

I can just see it now. The claim will be "Mr. Dunham was elected even though he wasn't eligible so I should be able to run for POTUS too. A precedent has been set and it must be followed." Somebody had better act soon!

“By comparison, the is such evidence that Obama was an Indonesian citizen. There is evidence that his parents renounced his American citizenship on his behalf.”

The Supreme Court has ruled that the actions of a parent cannot change the citizenship of someone born in the USA. Nor is there evidence (in the form of legal documents) that Obama was made an Indonesian citizen.

If Obama was born outside the USA then you are entirely correct - he cannot be President. That will require proof that overturns the COLB from Hawaii.

“Since Obama told us that his father was never a citizen, and was in fact a British subject, making Junior a British Subject, no birth certificate, and no other document is necessary or relevant. Obama is not a natural born citizen.”

50 states, the voters, Electoral College, Congress and the Supreme Court disagree. I don’t know who else you think will change the definition and overturn the election for you...

By what law? Is it the one that says if you claim it you are? (And he really has to be a natural-born citizen, but I guess you think those are just superfluous words in the Constitution.)

If you want to do ANYTHING in this country that requires citizenship, you must produce some official document that is evidence of citizenship. Period. Except for some who think that to be President, this is not necessary.

The Supreme Court has ruled that the actions of a parent cannot change the citizenship of someone born in the USA. Nor is there evidence (in the form of legal documents) that Obama was made an Indonesian citizen.

Really? Could you point me to such a decision? I do not doubt that someone in Obama's circumstance is entitled to reclaim his supposed citizenship, but it is my understanding that some action would be required on his part to do so.

There is no certificate of anything from Hawaii. All there have been are some disputed jpeg images which supposedly, if presented and valid, would not be sufficient documentation to enable one to obtain a passport.

Maybe the two of you can help me. Just what law of the first Congress is being discussed here... From the text of S. RES. 511...Whereas such limitations would be inconsistent with the purpose and intent of the `natural born Citizen' clause of the Constitution of the United States, as evidenced by the First Congress's own statutedefining the term `natural born Citizen';I'd like to know which law they're talking about and get the text of the law. I've looked at the Statutes at Large, 1789-1875 and don't find any laws that seem to cover this issue. Perhaps ya'll will help me out here and have better luck.

The Courts and Congress have held it to mean anyone born in the USA, or born abroad of two American parents.Can you give the cases where that was decided or the statute where it was enacted into law? I would just take your word for it, but I'd like something more tangible than just your assurances or your word.

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