Bas Rutten is ground and pound in the ring only. He is very against going to the ground unless you are in total control. No buddy of the opponent around and such.

The ground techniques are shown to increase your knowledge of how to defend against them. If you can get away with a ground and pound it wins one on one. He uses a lot of throws that don't get you to tangled in the enemy. Very simple stuff.

His motto is that if it is not simple he would not be able to do it.

BTW, I am not teaching soldiers. I am teaching fighters. People that want to know how to fight to defend themselves and their loved ones. They are not wearing all that stuff. At the least 80% of the fools they will come up against are amature at best. Knowledge is very powerful in a fight or flight situation. It allows you to be calmer and perform better.

J.P.

I teach the use of the palm. It is huge compared to the size of your knuckles. That and the forearm, it is like your personal peice of lead pipe. I also plan on teach in a way that most of the techniques can be simply modified for use with and improvised weapon. I understand that a lot of it is attitude. Then knowledge and experience.

Oh yeah, Bas teachs mostly techniques that can be used to break bones and dislocate joints in quick order and be back on your feet. I have seen most of what he has to offer on free fighting and street fighting.

This guy has been in some brawls from hell.

EDIT: Plus Rutten teaches Pancrace. It is a european MA. So I like it for that reason too. Maybe I am biased. He does hang out with jews though. He knows what he is doing either way.

Yes but the army also teaches idiotic stances and punches that leave you wide open to attack. In a street fight you shouldn't be going for the knockout, wrist locks actually work well because they are painful and many street fights begin with someone putting a hand on you in one way or another. I would also recommend that trips are probably better than throws, especially if you're really tall like me because tall people cannot use hip or even shoulder throws against most people(because those throws require you to lower your hips under theirs).

There is one piece of military advice that works on the street as well- NEVER fight without a weapon unless you absolutely have to. Use bottles, keys, rolls of change, pens, and anything that is handy.

The new Military Combatives techniques are not like the old ones. They have revised it. Mostly Jujitsu and Krav Maga these days. Plus tried and true take out techniques like the kidney stab and rear naked choke into a take down to break the neck.

I agree with the manual for the most part. I am not military. I found the manual and it was very useful in understanding vital targets and what to expect when they are hit. Also taught me many strong counters to moves that are very common on the street like stand up chokes, grabs and headlocks.

They are all pretty standard stuff in any martial art of substance. I was suprised by the new incarnation of the manual. Some people disagree with it. But I find it very scientific in its approach. Start training on the ground to instill a feel for the fight. Then progress upward as the new fighter gains confidence and skill.

I of course feel this kind of training should be started at a very young age. So during the first many years of study, there would be little need for the skills. The kids would fight if they have to but I doubt they would. This gives the kids time to develop comfort with the techniques and by the time they ever would be expected to use them they are reflex.

A crash course would also be easy enough. But you would of course progress faster in teaching the techniques to adults. Teach them how, the rest is practice.

There is one piece of military advice that works on the street as well- NEVER fight without a weapon unless you absolutely have to. Use bottles, keys, rolls of change, pens, and anything that is handy.

I have a close experience with it. It's 85% fake. The demonstrations are... just demonstrations. As you have seen they are moving slowly, the adversary attack with long single blows that never happens in a full contact fight, I am no saying about the street fight.

I had a sparring with a guy who is learning Sistema from it's founder this winter - when it came to a contact fight he quickly forgot everything he was tought and returned to karate - as he has practiced it before.

I know real stories about "Systema masters" being knocked out by ordinary boxers. Sportsmen and thinking military people here in Russia laugh on it.

I've found this article about Russian Martial Arts by Scott Sonnon:http://www.kgb-militaryschool.com/vi...n_Martial_Arts
Here is some more info about so-colled "Systema" of Kadochnikov:"
A.A.Kadochnikov works as teacher of theoretical mechanicks in Krasnodar military colledge of rocketry and artillery. On the base of Spiridonov's work(sambo master) and his own knoledges about mechanics of movement he developed his own system of hand-to-hand combat. This is science-based investigations of our time, useful in real fighting. He tried to establish his system as basic system for army's hand-to hand combat, but without success. But later, at 1980s, several students of Kadochnikov began to claim, that their system is old russian martial art, that they able to prepare a good fighter during four months and instructor - during two years. At the same time they outraged all other martial arts, claimed that oriental martial arts are "unnatural" for western people; but they didn't accept challenges from representatives of oriental martial arts. Several years later their popularity in USSR became very low, but some of them were successful in opening schools in other countries. Usually they claims that this is an old russian martial art, or that this is a system of russian special forces ("spetsnaz"). In real life, russian special forces use simplified hand-to-hand combat systems, based on shotokan karate, taekwondo and sambo. "
Btw. they sell Kadochnikov system videos as well:http://www.kgb-militaryschool.com/view/video (in English!)
Even more info on Kadochnicovs personal site (info in English):http://kadochnikov.org/about/
They sell their videos as well but only in Russian.

I have those same tapes, and I admit I didn't know what to think of them at first either. I think the problem may be: 1) the production quality was pretty low and 2) there weren't many full speed demos.

I have some Systema .wmv files I could email you if you want, also here are some links to more realistic applications of Systema.

I feel a need to contribute here, having done systema for few years now, coming into it with already 15 years of martial arts background and a few free style championships, I was actually very impressed.

You have to remember, that just like in any martial arts you will find "master" that are just crap, doesnt mean the fighting style is crap, the guy sucks using it.

I trained personally with Vlad, and I'll tell you he will lay waste to most opponents, considering I saw him spar with Oleg Taktarov, he didnt break a sweat. For those of you who dont know who Oleg is, check the UFC.
Now if you are coming into Systema with asianic martial arts background like I was, you will be surprised by the methodology used to teach. The videos you are watching are meant to be that way, because if anything was done at full speed or even 1/2 speed, you wouldnt have the eye reflexes to see all the movements done thus wouldnt learn anything.

continuing on, I think systema is a great addon skill and really teaches close quaters combat well. I had a strong background in Karate and Kickboxing before joining Systema, and would usually lose to my buddies who were doing Kung-Fu when it came to pure hand work, but after a few months of systema, I laid waste to their efforts, it was great.
I've also met a few Systema guys from Vlad's school that never did anything but Systema, and they hold themselves really well in a fight.

Anyways, I can go on talking about it for a while, pm me if you want to know more.

New to the forum, and I saw these thread.
I knew some guys who trained under Kadochnikov's system in the USA under Matt Powell. I went to a class or too. My friend swore that the guy used to be a skinhead, so I took interest.

I know he went to Russia a good bit and trained under Kadochnikov and other people. Looked like a skin, but we didn't talk about that much. I don't know if he's sympathetic or not.

He seemed like a good teacher and fighter, late 20's, good shape, quick as hell. I've done some BJJ, and this seemed like a good street and military system...everything was geared for hurting the other person quickly and putting them down hard. Good weapons work from what I saw. We did talk a lot of Western history and German military stuff, and he had a good grasp of the subjects. He even told me about old SS manuals that showed how to defend against the British WW2 self defense stuff.

My buddy said he had done a demo on how to get a riot shield away from riot police, so I asked, and he refused. When I pressed the issues on police tactics he told me he didn't teach that kind of stuff to the public. At that point I quit going, but I know he still teaches in Atlanta under his new system he's creating. I know there was a lot of science involved, as well.