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All Flash

This thread is to discuss all the changes happening in the world of the Speedsters.

Updates:

Barry Allen

Spoiler:

The Silver Age Flash is back. It was rumored for quite a while but he came back and played a pivotal role in Final Crisis.

Wally West

Spoiler:

Wally ended his run just recently. The issue wrapped up pretty raggedly, but nothing is set in stone. His kids have been cured of the disease that was making them grow old very fast.

Bart Allen

Spoiler:

Bart died in Flash #13 a summer or two ago. The Rogues destroyed his face with their weapons after being egged on by Inertia. In the latest Final Crisis: Legion of the 31st Century, Bart Allen came back out of the Speed Force. He is back as Kid Flash.

Inertia

Spoiler:

Wally came back in the Lightning Saga and immediately took down Inertia. He was in the Flash museum, forever a statue. In Rogues' Revenge, Inertia is killed by the Rogues after he turned Hunter Zolomon back to his wheelchair bound self.

Jay Garrick
To be honest, I don't know much about Jay Garrick. I'm still reading my way through Flash VOL2 and I know he plays a part in some of that.

The News:

Flash: Re-birth comes out April 1. Geoff Johns is involved so there is a pretty good chance it'll be good. There is a preview here:

Johns gave some hints about Flash: Rebirth. “It starts April 1, April Fool’s Day. It will come out.” The writer talked about the return of Bart Allen, and said the goal is to have fun in the Flash universe in the same way they’re currently having fun with the Green Lantern universe.

With 4 generations of Flash, I think they could really set up a great story that involves all 4 of them.

Jay Garrick is interesting because he doesn't tap into the speed force the same way as the other 3. He is quite a bit slower than them, but he also has a shitload of experience and wisdom. If you are looking for some good Jay Garrick stories, you should read Geoff Johns' JSA books because Garrick is a member of the JSA. I would say that's the book where he is most prominently featured right now.

Jay Garrick - He's got the most experience and he's sort of the "dad" figure that all of the other guys look up to. He isn't as fast, because he doesn't tap the speed force. But what he lacks in speed he makes up for in determination and being a clever old bastard.

Barry Allen - He's the "Greatest" of the Flashes. He is the Silver Age star. He is definitely the fastest of them, and he's the one whom Wally and Bart both look up to as a hero.

Wally West - Got the job and lived perpetually in the shadow of Barry. He's basically the Kyle Rayner of the Flash family. However, he's been around as a character for about 20 years now, so he definitely has a strong following and a lot of history.

Bart Allen - Kid Flash, the youngest and most inexperienced. His attempt to fill Wally's place was a noble effort, but ended tragically. Will be interesting to see him back in the role of the youngest Flash.

Wally West - Got the job and lived perpetually in the shadow of Barry. He's basically the Kyle Rayner of the Flash family. However, he's been around as a character for about 20 years now, so he definitely has a strong following and a lot of history.

Jay Garrick - He's got the most experience and he's sort of the "dad" figure that all of the other guys look up to. He isn't as fast, because he doesn't tap the speed force. But what he lacks in speed he makes up for in determination and being a clever old bastard.

Barry Allen - He's the "Greatest" of the Flashes. He is the Silver Age star. He is definitely the fastest of them, and he's the one whom Wally and Bart both look up to as a hero.

Wally West - Got the job and lived perpetually in the shadow of Barry. He's basically the Kyle Rayner of the Flash family. However, he's been around as a character for about 20 years now, so he definitely has a strong following and a lot of history.

Bart Allen - Kid Flash, the youngest and most inexperienced. His attempt to fill Wally's place was a noble effort, but ended tragically. Will be interesting to see him back in the role of the youngest Flash.

I'm pretty sure Barry Allen is not the fastest.

While I'm not able to give any examples, I remember writers pointing out that Wally was able to do stuff that no other Flash was able to do before. It was part of the process of installing him as The Flash, rather than just Kid Flash. The same thing happened with Bart Allen, who had the entire speed force in him. It made him the fastest Flash ever.

Bart is better with his speed because he was born with it and it's instinctive to him. Like how Wally had to figure out how to vibrate through stuff (and then vibrate through stuff without exploding it), whereas Bart just instinctively vibrated through bullets

I really, really didn't care for the Flash preview. You know how Green Lantern was, for the first several issues, basically just Johns blowing Hal Jordan? The new Flash book looks to be the exact same thing.

Wally was established multiple times as being The Fastest Man Alive, and the whole arc with Zoom impersonating Barry led to Wally getting over his fear of replacing Barry and reaching that potential

wasn't Bart significantly faster then Wally was at the same age? That seems to imply that Bart might be able to beat Wally in time...

Bart is like five years old. It doesn't really count.

reading comprehension is not one of your super powers, is it?

I'm just saying that Wally didn't have powers when he was five. It seems to me that you're making too many assumptions by using an age-to-speed ratio as an indicator of eventual top speed. Maybe it's more prudent to use a ratio based on the speed and the time the speedsters have had their powers.

That's just assuming there's no top speed both Bart and Wally will eventually reach.

I really, really didn't care for the Flash preview. You know how Green Lantern was, for the first several issues, basically just Johns blowing Hal Jordan? The new Flash book looks to be the exact same thing.

The dialogue between Jay and the rest of the JSA is painful.

I don't really mind Barry's colleagues praising the dude at a party in his honor, but an overlong love letter to the Silver Age will turn me off pretty quickly.

Wally was established multiple times as being The Fastest Man Alive, and the whole arc with Zoom impersonating Barry led to Wally getting over his fear of replacing Barry and reaching that potential

wasn't Bart significantly faster then Wally was at the same age? That seems to imply that Bart might be able to beat Wally in time...

Bart is like five years old. It doesn't really count.

reading comprehension is not one of your super powers, is it?

I'm just saying that Wally didn't have powers when he was five. It seems to me that you're making too many assumptions by using an age-to-speed ratio as an indicator of eventual top speed. Maybe it's more prudent to use a ratio based on the speed and the time the speedsters have had their powers.

That's just assuming there's no top speed both Bart and Wally will eventually reach.

Bart is the same age Wally was when he was Kid Flash. I know you think calling Bart five is clever, but that doesn't make it true.

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When I was a little kid, I always pretended I was the hero,' Skip said.
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Wally was established multiple times as being The Fastest Man Alive, and the whole arc with Zoom impersonating Barry led to Wally getting over his fear of replacing Barry and reaching that potential

wasn't Bart significantly faster then Wally was at the same age? That seems to imply that Bart might be able to beat Wally in time...

Bart is like five years old. It doesn't really count.

reading comprehension is not one of your super powers, is it?

I'm just saying that Wally didn't have powers when he was five. It seems to me that you're making too many assumptions by using an age-to-speed ratio as an indicator of eventual top speed. Maybe it's more prudent to use a ratio based on the speed and the time the speedsters have had their powers.

That's just assuming there's no top speed both Bart and Wally will eventually reach.

Bart is the same age Wally was when he was Kid Flash. I know you think calling Bart five is clever, but that doesn't make it true.

But he is, though. He was born with a connection to the speed force and grew at an accelerated rate. That's why he was so disconnected with reality when he was Impulse. Because it wasn't in reality where he learned his ABCs. Sure, I'll make allowances for the time he spent in an alternate Earth (with Superboy Prime) and the years in the present. But he can't be older than 8 or 9 years old.

Wally was established multiple times as being The Fastest Man Alive, and the whole arc with Zoom impersonating Barry led to Wally getting over his fear of replacing Barry and reaching that potential

wasn't Bart significantly faster then Wally was at the same age? That seems to imply that Bart might be able to beat Wally in time...

Bart is like five years old. It doesn't really count.

reading comprehension is not one of your super powers, is it?

I'm just saying that Wally didn't have powers when he was five. It seems to me that you're making too many assumptions by using an age-to-speed ratio as an indicator of eventual top speed. Maybe it's more prudent to use a ratio based on the speed and the time the speedsters have had their powers.

That's just assuming there's no top speed both Bart and Wally will eventually reach.

Bart is the same age Wally was when he was Kid Flash. I know you think calling Bart five is clever, but that doesn't make it true.

Bart's not an actual teenager. He was 12 when he was actually 2. His aging was slowed to normal when he was "14" or so