Green politicians slam police for keeping ‘secret database’

GREEN politicians have criticised police for keeping a secret database that tracked their ‘domestic extremist’ colleagues.

Caroline Lucas, Green MP for Brighton Pavilion, said police files recording the political movements of Green London Assembly Member Jenny Jones and Kent councillor Ian Driver were “bemusing and deeply unsettling”.

The official files show the force kept a log of Ms Jones over an 11-year period – including when she stood to become Mayor of London.

The documents recorded tweets she sent about possible police tactics at a pro-cycling protest and details of public meetings she addressed on police violence.

Scotland Yard said its domestic extremism unit has been monitoring thousands of political activists to identify the “hardcore minority” who have broken, or are about to break, the law during protests.

But Ms Jones said she had never been arrested and the “unjustified” information held about her related to her work as an elected politician.

Dr Lucas said the issue highlighted questions around the “absence of police transparency and accountability”.

She said: “Many of these are people who have never broken the law, who do not hold a criminal record.

‘Extremists’ “They have simply participated in peaceful protests or openly questioned some activities of the authorities – as I do, for example, in Parliament, on behalf of the general public: hardly the activities of ‘domestic extremists’.”

John Catt, 89, from Brighton, won a lawsuit against the Met Police last year after judges ruled the force unlawfully logged details of his presence at 55 protests between 2005 and 2009, where he sketched scenes of demonstrations.

Mr Catt said: “The erosion of freedom to demonstrate has got to such a bad state that anybody that disagrees or shows conviction is immediately shown police attention.”

The Met has since lodged an appeal against Mr Catt’s ruling at the Supreme Court.

Comments

HJarrs
7:03am Tue 17 Jun 14

The police and security services are more like the Stasi every day. How quickly we have turned into being a nation spied upon by corporations and arms of the state and how little fuss we, most of our politicians or the “free press” make.

A staggering amount of the erosion of our privacy happened under Labour Home Secretaries and continues under the Tories. Labour wanted further intrusion by introduction of identity cards. Can you imagine the joy for every little Hitler if they could demand your ID card!

We know the security services can at a whim listen to your phone calls, read your emails, turn on the microphones and cameras of computers, phones and smart TVs, and they do. The only thing holding them back is a lack of computer power. We are now under constant surveillance.

If it was proposed that someone should open your mail and you had a person in your house watching your every move, taking pics and recordings, there would be outrage, yet exactly this is happening.

We need to stand up and demand that it is our data, not Google's, not Apples's, not GCHQ's. The first thing we can do is to vote out Labour and Conservatives at the next election, parties that have and continue to treat the British people with contempt.

The police and security services are more like the Stasi every day. How quickly we have turned into being a nation spied upon by corporations and arms of the state and how little fuss we, most of our politicians or the “free press” make.
A staggering amount of the erosion of our privacy happened under Labour Home Secretaries and continues under the Tories. Labour wanted further intrusion by introduction of identity cards. Can you imagine the joy for every little Hitler if they could demand your ID card!
We know the security services can at a whim listen to your phone calls, read your emails, turn on the microphones and cameras of computers, phones and smart TVs, and they do. The only thing holding them back is a lack of computer power. We are now under constant surveillance.
If it was proposed that someone should open your mail and you had a person in your house watching your every move, taking pics and recordings, there would be outrage, yet exactly this is happening.
We need to stand up and demand that it is our data, not Google's, not Apples's, not GCHQ's. The first thing we can do is to vote out Labour and Conservatives at the next election, parties that have and continue to treat the British people with contempt.HJarrs

The police and security services are more like the Stasi every day. How quickly we have turned into being a nation spied upon by corporations and arms of the state and how little fuss we, most of our politicians or the “free press” make.

A staggering amount of the erosion of our privacy happened under Labour Home Secretaries and continues under the Tories. Labour wanted further intrusion by introduction of identity cards. Can you imagine the joy for every little Hitler if they could demand your ID card!

We know the security services can at a whim listen to your phone calls, read your emails, turn on the microphones and cameras of computers, phones and smart TVs, and they do. The only thing holding them back is a lack of computer power. We are now under constant surveillance.

If it was proposed that someone should open your mail and you had a person in your house watching your every move, taking pics and recordings, there would be outrage, yet exactly this is happening.

We need to stand up and demand that it is our data, not Google's, not Apples's, not GCHQ's. The first thing we can do is to vote out Labour and Conservatives at the next election, parties that have and continue to treat the British people with contempt.

Score: -18

Maxwell's Ghost
7:16am Tue 17 Jun 14

Caroline, some people are normal and protest. Some people seem normal and protest but aren't. You are so quaint and middle class you don't seem to be aware that there are some thoroughly nasty people about.
Unfortunately since the UK has been subjected to some of the worst terrorism attacks since the war, ie the London tube bombings, most people don't care if the police track people they fear may be a threat whatever people may be up to.
It's now the way of life in the UK. Caroline I was extremely concerned that one Green councillor sent messages out that a fellow councillor was wearing a swasitka and a faith school was a cult. I wouldn't want that man living next door to me, that is threatening. I hope he is tracked.

Caroline, some people are normal and protest. Some people seem normal and protest but aren't. You are so quaint and middle class you don't seem to be aware that there are some thoroughly nasty people about.
Unfortunately since the UK has been subjected to some of the worst terrorism attacks since the war, ie the London tube bombings, most people don't care if the police track people they fear may be a threat whatever people may be up to.
It's now the way of life in the UK. Caroline I was extremely concerned that one Green councillor sent messages out that a fellow councillor was wearing a swasitka and a faith school was a cult. I wouldn't want that man living next door to me, that is threatening. I hope he is tracked.Maxwell's Ghost

Caroline, some people are normal and protest. Some people seem normal and protest but aren't. You are so quaint and middle class you don't seem to be aware that there are some thoroughly nasty people about.
Unfortunately since the UK has been subjected to some of the worst terrorism attacks since the war, ie the London tube bombings, most people don't care if the police track people they fear may be a threat whatever people may be up to.
It's now the way of life in the UK. Caroline I was extremely concerned that one Green councillor sent messages out that a fellow councillor was wearing a swasitka and a faith school was a cult. I wouldn't want that man living next door to me, that is threatening. I hope he is tracked.

Score: 19

Maxwell's Ghost
7:22am Tue 17 Jun 14

How naive HJarrs, most people submit more personal data into the public arena than ever before. Many years ago I had to traipse the streets door knocking to trace people and get background details and work hard on people to get info out of them about other people, now I can get every cough and spit of someone's life from the web which people have uploaded themselves.
It's a sweet dream for anyone tracking anyone. As for the Stasi, there are often posters on here calling the Greens the Stasi with their approach to issuing diktats. There was one of your colleagues stating that girls should not have pink bikes and Caroline Lucas says women should not be allowed to be on Page 3 and telling us not to eat meat on a Monday.
Get with it HJarrs, move into the real world and poke out of people's lives yourself.

How naive HJarrs, most people submit more personal data into the public arena than ever before. Many years ago I had to traipse the streets door knocking to trace people and get background details and work hard on people to get info out of them about other people, now I can get every cough and spit of someone's life from the web which people have uploaded themselves.
It's a sweet dream for anyone tracking anyone. As for the Stasi, there are often posters on here calling the Greens the Stasi with their approach to issuing diktats. There was one of your colleagues stating that girls should not have pink bikes and Caroline Lucas says women should not be allowed to be on Page 3 and telling us not to eat meat on a Monday.
Get with it HJarrs, move into the real world and poke out of people's lives yourself.Maxwell's Ghost

How naive HJarrs, most people submit more personal data into the public arena than ever before. Many years ago I had to traipse the streets door knocking to trace people and get background details and work hard on people to get info out of them about other people, now I can get every cough and spit of someone's life from the web which people have uploaded themselves.
It's a sweet dream for anyone tracking anyone. As for the Stasi, there are often posters on here calling the Greens the Stasi with their approach to issuing diktats. There was one of your colleagues stating that girls should not have pink bikes and Caroline Lucas says women should not be allowed to be on Page 3 and telling us not to eat meat on a Monday.
Get with it HJarrs, move into the real world and poke out of people's lives yourself.

Score: 12

Maxwell's Ghost
7:22am Tue 17 Jun 14

How naive HJarrs, most people submit more personal data into the public arena than ever before. Many years ago I had to traipse the streets door knocking to trace people and get background details and work hard on people to get info out of them about other people, now I can get every cough and spit of someone's life from the web which people have uploaded themselves.
It's a sweet dream for anyone tracking anyone. As for the Stasi, there are often posters on here calling the Greens the Stasi with their approach to issuing diktats. There was one of your colleagues stating that girls should not have pink bikes and Caroline Lucas says women should not be allowed to be on Page 3 and telling us not to eat meat on a Monday.
Get with it HJarrs, move into the real world and poke out of people's lives yourself.

How naive HJarrs, most people submit more personal data into the public arena than ever before. Many years ago I had to traipse the streets door knocking to trace people and get background details and work hard on people to get info out of them about other people, now I can get every cough and spit of someone's life from the web which people have uploaded themselves.
It's a sweet dream for anyone tracking anyone. As for the Stasi, there are often posters on here calling the Greens the Stasi with their approach to issuing diktats. There was one of your colleagues stating that girls should not have pink bikes and Caroline Lucas says women should not be allowed to be on Page 3 and telling us not to eat meat on a Monday.
Get with it HJarrs, move into the real world and poke out of people's lives yourself.Maxwell's Ghost

How naive HJarrs, most people submit more personal data into the public arena than ever before. Many years ago I had to traipse the streets door knocking to trace people and get background details and work hard on people to get info out of them about other people, now I can get every cough and spit of someone's life from the web which people have uploaded themselves.
It's a sweet dream for anyone tracking anyone. As for the Stasi, there are often posters on here calling the Greens the Stasi with their approach to issuing diktats. There was one of your colleagues stating that girls should not have pink bikes and Caroline Lucas says women should not be allowed to be on Page 3 and telling us not to eat meat on a Monday.
Get with it HJarrs, move into the real world and poke out of people's lives yourself.

Score: 4

asterixobelix
10:09am Tue 17 Jun 14

HJarrs how dare you compare the freedom and democracy we have in this country to the Nazis or the Stasi. My mother grew up under the Nazis...they lost everything! My mother's cousin then lived under the Stasi for decades. You cannot imagine how she suffered and lived in fear.
Your comments are disgusting and you should apologise publicly to all those in Britain and around the world that you have offended.

HJarrs how dare you compare the freedom and democracy we have in this country to the Nazis or the Stasi. My mother grew up under the Nazis...they lost everything! My mother's cousin then lived under the Stasi for decades. You cannot imagine how she suffered and lived in fear.
Your comments are disgusting and you should apologise publicly to all those in Britain and around the world that you have offended.asterixobelix

HJarrs how dare you compare the freedom and democracy we have in this country to the Nazis or the Stasi. My mother grew up under the Nazis...they lost everything! My mother's cousin then lived under the Stasi for decades. You cannot imagine how she suffered and lived in fear.
Your comments are disgusting and you should apologise publicly to all those in Britain and around the world that you have offended.

Score: 11

Uncle Ruckus (No Relation)
7:36am Tue 17 Jun 14

HJarrs wrote…

The police and security services are more like the Stasi every day. How quickly we have turned into being a nation spied upon by corporations and arms of the state and how little fuss we, most of our politicians or the “free press” make.

A staggering amount of the erosion of our privacy happened under Labour Home Secretaries and continues under the Tories. Labour wanted further intrusion by introduction of identity cards. Can you imagine the joy for every little Hitler if they could demand your ID card!

We know the security services can at a whim listen to your phone calls, read your emails, turn on the microphones and cameras of computers, phones and smart TVs, and they do. The only thing holding them back is a lack of computer power. We are now under constant surveillance.

If it was proposed that someone should open your mail and you had a person in your house watching your every move, taking pics and recordings, there would be outrage, yet exactly this is happening.

We need to stand up and demand that it is our data, not Google's, not Apples's, not GCHQ's. The first thing we can do is to vote out Labour and Conservatives at the next election, parties that have and continue to treat the British people with contempt.

Taking into account Welsh Green Party leader Pippa Bartolotti's links with the Hamas terror group (and her connections with the fascist Syrian National Party), I think the Police are more than justified in keeping tabs on certain members of the Marxist Green Party

[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote:
The police and security services are more like the Stasi every day. How quickly we have turned into being a nation spied upon by corporations and arms of the state and how little fuss we, most of our politicians or the “free press” make.
A staggering amount of the erosion of our privacy happened under Labour Home Secretaries and continues under the Tories. Labour wanted further intrusion by introduction of identity cards. Can you imagine the joy for every little Hitler if they could demand your ID card!
We know the security services can at a whim listen to your phone calls, read your emails, turn on the microphones and cameras of computers, phones and smart TVs, and they do. The only thing holding them back is a lack of computer power. We are now under constant surveillance.
If it was proposed that someone should open your mail and you had a person in your house watching your every move, taking pics and recordings, there would be outrage, yet exactly this is happening.
We need to stand up and demand that it is our data, not Google's, not Apples's, not GCHQ's. The first thing we can do is to vote out Labour and Conservatives at the next election, parties that have and continue to treat the British people with contempt.[/p][/quote]Taking into account Welsh Green Party leader Pippa Bartolotti's links with the Hamas terror group (and her connections with the fascist Syrian National Party), I think the Police are more than justified in keeping tabs on certain members of the Marxist Green PartyUncle Ruckus (No Relation)

HJarrs wrote…

The police and security services are more like the Stasi every day. How quickly we have turned into being a nation spied upon by corporations and arms of the state and how little fuss we, most of our politicians or the “free press” make.

A staggering amount of the erosion of our privacy happened under Labour Home Secretaries and continues under the Tories. Labour wanted further intrusion by introduction of identity cards. Can you imagine the joy for every little Hitler if they could demand your ID card!

We know the security services can at a whim listen to your phone calls, read your emails, turn on the microphones and cameras of computers, phones and smart TVs, and they do. The only thing holding them back is a lack of computer power. We are now under constant surveillance.

If it was proposed that someone should open your mail and you had a person in your house watching your every move, taking pics and recordings, there would be outrage, yet exactly this is happening.

We need to stand up and demand that it is our data, not Google's, not Apples's, not GCHQ's. The first thing we can do is to vote out Labour and Conservatives at the next election, parties that have and continue to treat the British people with contempt.

Taking into account Welsh Green Party leader Pippa Bartolotti's links with the Hamas terror group (and her connections with the fascist Syrian National Party), I think the Police are more than justified in keeping tabs on certain members of the Marxist Green Party

Score: 14

HJarrs
7:40am Tue 17 Jun 14

Maxwell's Ghost wrote…

How naive HJarrs, most people submit more personal data into the public arena than ever before. Many years ago I had to traipse the streets door knocking to trace people and get background details and work hard on people to get info out of them about other people, now I can get every cough and spit of someone's life from the web which people have uploaded themselves.
It's a sweet dream for anyone tracking anyone. As for the Stasi, there are often posters on here calling the Greens the Stasi with their approach to issuing diktats. There was one of your colleagues stating that girls should not have pink bikes and Caroline Lucas says women should not be allowed to be on Page 3 and telling us not to eat meat on a Monday.
Get with it HJarrs, move into the real world and poke out of people's lives yourself.

If people wish to post personal information on the internet, that is their prerogative.

Unbelievable that elected politicians are subject to such spying. Despite a terrorist threat live during the safest period possibly ever; no threat of invasion, little foreseeable threat of nuclear Armageddon and our own civil war in Northern Ireland largely over. Yet spying and monitoring of the population has increased tremendously.

We are drifting into a surveillance state, yet countries where this happened under communism or Nazism are fighting this. Any idea why that might be Maxwell?

[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote:
How naive HJarrs, most people submit more personal data into the public arena than ever before. Many years ago I had to traipse the streets door knocking to trace people and get background details and work hard on people to get info out of them about other people, now I can get every cough and spit of someone's life from the web which people have uploaded themselves.
It's a sweet dream for anyone tracking anyone. As for the Stasi, there are often posters on here calling the Greens the Stasi with their approach to issuing diktats. There was one of your colleagues stating that girls should not have pink bikes and Caroline Lucas says women should not be allowed to be on Page 3 and telling us not to eat meat on a Monday.
Get with it HJarrs, move into the real world and poke out of people's lives yourself.[/p][/quote]If people wish to post personal information on the internet, that is their prerogative.
Unbelievable that elected politicians are subject to such spying. Despite a terrorist threat live during the safest period possibly ever; no threat of invasion, little foreseeable threat of nuclear Armageddon and our own civil war in Northern Ireland largely over. Yet spying and monitoring of the population has increased tremendously.
We are drifting into a surveillance state, yet countries where this happened under communism or Nazism are fighting this. Any idea why that might be Maxwell?HJarrs

Maxwell's Ghost wrote…

How naive HJarrs, most people submit more personal data into the public arena than ever before. Many years ago I had to traipse the streets door knocking to trace people and get background details and work hard on people to get info out of them about other people, now I can get every cough and spit of someone's life from the web which people have uploaded themselves.
It's a sweet dream for anyone tracking anyone. As for the Stasi, there are often posters on here calling the Greens the Stasi with their approach to issuing diktats. There was one of your colleagues stating that girls should not have pink bikes and Caroline Lucas says women should not be allowed to be on Page 3 and telling us not to eat meat on a Monday.
Get with it HJarrs, move into the real world and poke out of people's lives yourself.

If people wish to post personal information on the internet, that is their prerogative.

Unbelievable that elected politicians are subject to such spying. Despite a terrorist threat live during the safest period possibly ever; no threat of invasion, little foreseeable threat of nuclear Armageddon and our own civil war in Northern Ireland largely over. Yet spying and monitoring of the population has increased tremendously.

We are drifting into a surveillance state, yet countries where this happened under communism or Nazism are fighting this. Any idea why that might be Maxwell?

Score: -10

TonyTony
8:44am Tue 17 Jun 14

"She earned her PhD from the University of Exeter in 1989 with a thesis entitled Writing for Women: a study of woman as reader in Elizabethan romance" (From Wikipedia). Is this why she is refered to as a Doctor?

"She earned her PhD from the University of Exeter in 1989 with a thesis entitled Writing for Women: a study of woman as reader in Elizabethan romance" (From Wikipedia). Is this why she is refered to as a Doctor?TonyTony

"She earned her PhD from the University of Exeter in 1989 with a thesis entitled Writing for Women: a study of woman as reader in Elizabethan romance" (From Wikipedia). Is this why she is refered to as a Doctor?

Score: 4

[deleted]
8:43am Tue 17 Jun 14

[deleted]

This has really nothing to do with the Green Party - this is just about how the Police love tracking, tracing and keeping dossiers on innocent people instead of investigating crime (clearly far too boring) When I made a complaint about the Senior Investigation Officer into my mother\s death, PC Kelly Newton, of Sussex Police Road Investigating Unit, her bosses, led by Chief Inspector Nicholas and Supt Derrick led a campaign to discredit me, even fabricating documents and evidence to refer me to mental health services and informing the Metropolitan Police I should be placed on a database for 'vulnerable people' even though I had been at work in perfect health. Their covert methods - including a dossier to which they invited the Coroner and members of the College of Policing is fully documented but was only brought to light through doing a subject access request to East Sussex County Council and the Metropolitan Police - Sussex refusing to comply with the Data Protection Act - a failure which is itself, a criminal act - claiming - that they couldn't release personal information to me on what was contained - on me - in their dossier because this related to the investigation into my mother. Asides from the fact that if this were true, I could not have obtained the information elsewhere, it shows the extreme to which the police will cover up, at all costs the misconduct of their own officers by attempting to discredit members of the public who complain. As for their mental health claims - what does this say about how Sussex Police regard the 'mentally ill' in Sussex? Without any rights. Come on Argus. Do some REAL reporting!Caute3

This has really nothing to do with the Green Party - this is just about how the Police love tracking, tracing and keeping dossiers on innocent people instead of investigating crime (clearly far too boring) When I made a complaint about the Senior Investigation Officer into my mother\s death, PC Kelly Newton, of Sussex Police Road Investigating Unit, her bosses, led by Chief Inspector Nicholas and Supt Derrick led a campaign to discredit me, even fabricating documents and evidence to refer me to mental health services and informing the Metropolitan Police I should be placed on a database for 'vulnerable people' even though I had been at work in perfect health. Their covert methods - including a dossier to which they invited the Coroner and members of the College of Policing is fully documented but was only brought to light through doing a subject access request to East Sussex County Council and the Metropolitan Police - Sussex refusing to comply with the Data Protection Act - a failure which is itself, a criminal act - claiming - that they couldn't release personal information to me on what was contained - on me - in their dossier because this related to the investigation into my mother. Asides from the fact that if this were true, I could not have obtained the information elsewhere, it shows the extreme to which the police will cover up, at all costs the misconduct of their own officers by attempting to discredit members of the public who complain. As for their mental health claims - what does this say about how Sussex Police regard the 'mentally ill' in Sussex? Without any rights. Come on Argus. Do some REAL reporting!

Score: 4

spa301
9:03am Tue 17 Jun 14

Bit paranoid today are we H.Jarrs?
I doubt they'll be tracking you as they'll know you'll be certain to be by your computer spouting endless dull green drivel.

Bit paranoid today are we H.Jarrs?
I doubt they'll be tracking you as they'll know you'll be certain to be by your computer spouting endless dull green drivel.spa301

Bit paranoid today are we H.Jarrs?
I doubt they'll be tracking you as they'll know you'll be certain to be by your computer spouting endless dull green drivel.

Score: 5

fredflintstone1
9:06am Tue 17 Jun 14

TonyTony wrote…

"She earned her PhD from the University of Exeter in 1989 with a thesis entitled Writing for Women: a study of woman as reader in Elizabethan romance" (From Wikipedia). Is this why she is refered to as a Doctor?

Yes.

It might be more convincing to see her calling for free speech here, so people can express their thoughts on the Council's traveller policy and actions on these messageboards, which I believe some of her Green colleagues helped to block?

[quote][p][bold]TonyTony[/bold] wrote:
"She earned her PhD from the University of Exeter in 1989 with a thesis entitled Writing for Women: a study of woman as reader in Elizabethan romance" (From Wikipedia). Is this why she is refered to as a Doctor?[/p][/quote]Yes.
It might be more convincing to see her calling for free speech here, so people can express their thoughts on the Council's traveller policy and actions on these messageboards, which I believe some of her Green colleagues helped to block?fredflintstone1

TonyTony wrote…

"She earned her PhD from the University of Exeter in 1989 with a thesis entitled Writing for Women: a study of woman as reader in Elizabethan romance" (From Wikipedia). Is this why she is refered to as a Doctor?

Yes.

It might be more convincing to see her calling for free speech here, so people can express their thoughts on the Council's traveller policy and actions on these messageboards, which I believe some of her Green colleagues helped to block?

Score: 6

Fight_Back
10:46am Tue 17 Jun 14

Maybe the police would like to add Ben Duncan to their list - he after all supports violent protest.

Maybe the police would like to add Ben Duncan to their list - he after all supports violent protest.Fight_Back

Maybe the police would like to add Ben Duncan to their list - he after all supports violent protest.

Score: 6

Fight_Back
10:55am Tue 17 Jun 14

HJarrs wrote…

Maxwell's Ghost wrote…

How naive HJarrs, most people submit more personal data into the public arena than ever before. Many years ago I had to traipse the streets door knocking to trace people and get background details and work hard on people to get info out of them about other people, now I can get every cough and spit of someone's life from the web which people have uploaded themselves.
It's a sweet dream for anyone tracking anyone. As for the Stasi, there are often posters on here calling the Greens the Stasi with their approach to issuing diktats. There was one of your colleagues stating that girls should not have pink bikes and Caroline Lucas says women should not be allowed to be on Page 3 and telling us not to eat meat on a Monday.
Get with it HJarrs, move into the real world and poke out of people's lives yourself.

If people wish to post personal information on the internet, that is their prerogative.

Unbelievable that elected politicians are subject to such spying. Despite a terrorist threat live during the safest period possibly ever; no threat of invasion, little foreseeable threat of nuclear Armageddon and our own civil war in Northern Ireland largely over. Yet spying and monitoring of the population has increased tremendously.

We are drifting into a surveillance state, yet countries where this happened under communism or Nazism are fighting this. Any idea why that might be Maxwell?

I seen you post some rubbish but really ! You are seriously comparing our police and security services to the Stasi who killed people at will and tortured thousands and the Nazis who were directly responsible for 50 MILLION deaths ????? And you wonder why people don't like the Greens ?

[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote:
How naive HJarrs, most people submit more personal data into the public arena than ever before. Many years ago I had to traipse the streets door knocking to trace people and get background details and work hard on people to get info out of them about other people, now I can get every cough and spit of someone's life from the web which people have uploaded themselves.
It's a sweet dream for anyone tracking anyone. As for the Stasi, there are often posters on here calling the Greens the Stasi with their approach to issuing diktats. There was one of your colleagues stating that girls should not have pink bikes and Caroline Lucas says women should not be allowed to be on Page 3 and telling us not to eat meat on a Monday.
Get with it HJarrs, move into the real world and poke out of people's lives yourself.[/p][/quote]If people wish to post personal information on the internet, that is their prerogative.
Unbelievable that elected politicians are subject to such spying. Despite a terrorist threat live during the safest period possibly ever; no threat of invasion, little foreseeable threat of nuclear Armageddon and our own civil war in Northern Ireland largely over. Yet spying and monitoring of the population has increased tremendously.
We are drifting into a surveillance state, yet countries where this happened under communism or Nazism are fighting this. Any idea why that might be Maxwell?[/p][/quote]I seen you post some rubbish but really ! You are seriously comparing our police and security services to the Stasi who killed people at will and tortured thousands and the Nazis who were directly responsible for 50 MILLION deaths ????? And you wonder why people don't like the Greens ?Fight_Back

HJarrs wrote…

Maxwell's Ghost wrote…

How naive HJarrs, most people submit more personal data into the public arena than ever before. Many years ago I had to traipse the streets door knocking to trace people and get background details and work hard on people to get info out of them about other people, now I can get every cough and spit of someone's life from the web which people have uploaded themselves.
It's a sweet dream for anyone tracking anyone. As for the Stasi, there are often posters on here calling the Greens the Stasi with their approach to issuing diktats. There was one of your colleagues stating that girls should not have pink bikes and Caroline Lucas says women should not be allowed to be on Page 3 and telling us not to eat meat on a Monday.
Get with it HJarrs, move into the real world and poke out of people's lives yourself.

If people wish to post personal information on the internet, that is their prerogative.

Unbelievable that elected politicians are subject to such spying. Despite a terrorist threat live during the safest period possibly ever; no threat of invasion, little foreseeable threat of nuclear Armageddon and our own civil war in Northern Ireland largely over. Yet spying and monitoring of the population has increased tremendously.

We are drifting into a surveillance state, yet countries where this happened under communism or Nazism are fighting this. Any idea why that might be Maxwell?

I seen you post some rubbish but really ! You are seriously comparing our police and security services to the Stasi who killed people at will and tortured thousands and the Nazis who were directly responsible for 50 MILLION deaths ????? And you wonder why people don't like the Greens ?

Score: 8

Nosfaratu
3:35pm Tue 17 Jun 14

Just one thing. If you have nothing to say you will not be noticed, oops !

Just one thing. If you have nothing to say you will not be noticed, oops !Nosfaratu

Just one thing. If you have nothing to say you will not be noticed, oops !

Score: -1

HJarrs
8:45pm Tue 17 Jun 14

BtnLaurence wrote…

Maxwell's Ghost wrote…

Caroline, some people are normal and protest. Some people seem normal and protest but aren't. You are so quaint and middle class you don't seem to be aware that there are some thoroughly nasty people about.
Unfortunately since the UK has been subjected to some of the worst terrorism attacks since the war, ie the London tube bombings, most people don't care if the police track people they fear may be a threat whatever people may be up to.
It's now the way of life in the UK. Caroline I was extremely concerned that one Green councillor sent messages out that a fellow councillor was wearing a swasitka and a faith school was a cult. I wouldn't want that man living next door to me, that is threatening. I hope he is tracked.

Middle class? Ha, common as muck with ideas above her station.

But quite true, we are living in a world where there is a constant threat of terrorism, and if tracking helps to fight it I'm afraid I have to agree with it.
It's not a nice feeling knowing that almost everything we email or post online or text etc can be held and looked at, but what else can they do with an ever increasing threat?

In the 40's to 80's we lived with potential nuclear Armageddon and possible invasion, during the 70's to 2000's we faced domestic terrorism that resulted in thousands of deaths. We have always faced terrorist threats, but without the need to spy on the whole population or elected politicians.

As exposed by the press and in the courts, the police have sent in undercover agents and provocateurs into peaceful protest groups and no doubt the Greens seemingly to defend corporate interests. These resources should have been used to concentrate on the real terrorists.

[quote][p][bold]BtnLaurence[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote:
Caroline, some people are normal and protest. Some people seem normal and protest but aren't. You are so quaint and middle class you don't seem to be aware that there are some thoroughly nasty people about.
Unfortunately since the UK has been subjected to some of the worst terrorism attacks since the war, ie the London tube bombings, most people don't care if the police track people they fear may be a threat whatever people may be up to.
It's now the way of life in the UK. Caroline I was extremely concerned that one Green councillor sent messages out that a fellow councillor was wearing a swasitka and a faith school was a cult. I wouldn't want that man living next door to me, that is threatening. I hope he is tracked.[/p][/quote]Middle class? Ha, common as muck with ideas above her station.
But quite true, we are living in a world where there is a constant threat of terrorism, and if tracking helps to fight it I'm afraid I have to agree with it.
It's not a nice feeling knowing that almost everything we email or post online or text etc can be held and looked at, but what else can they do with an ever increasing threat?[/p][/quote]In the 40's to 80's we lived with potential nuclear Armageddon and possible invasion, during the 70's to 2000's we faced domestic terrorism that resulted in thousands of deaths. We have always faced terrorist threats, but without the need to spy on the whole population or elected politicians.
As exposed by the press and in the courts, the police have sent in undercover agents and provocateurs into peaceful protest groups and no doubt the Greens seemingly to defend corporate interests. These resources should have been used to concentrate on the real terrorists.HJarrs

BtnLaurence wrote…

Maxwell's Ghost wrote…

Caroline, some people are normal and protest. Some people seem normal and protest but aren't. You are so quaint and middle class you don't seem to be aware that there are some thoroughly nasty people about.
Unfortunately since the UK has been subjected to some of the worst terrorism attacks since the war, ie the London tube bombings, most people don't care if the police track people they fear may be a threat whatever people may be up to.
It's now the way of life in the UK. Caroline I was extremely concerned that one Green councillor sent messages out that a fellow councillor was wearing a swasitka and a faith school was a cult. I wouldn't want that man living next door to me, that is threatening. I hope he is tracked.

Middle class? Ha, common as muck with ideas above her station.

But quite true, we are living in a world where there is a constant threat of terrorism, and if tracking helps to fight it I'm afraid I have to agree with it.
It's not a nice feeling knowing that almost everything we email or post online or text etc can be held and looked at, but what else can they do with an ever increasing threat?

In the 40's to 80's we lived with potential nuclear Armageddon and possible invasion, during the 70's to 2000's we faced domestic terrorism that resulted in thousands of deaths. We have always faced terrorist threats, but without the need to spy on the whole population or elected politicians.

As exposed by the press and in the courts, the police have sent in undercover agents and provocateurs into peaceful protest groups and no doubt the Greens seemingly to defend corporate interests. These resources should have been used to concentrate on the real terrorists.

Score: -1

P.Dant
2:37pm Tue 17 Jun 14

Police always claim,disingenuosly, to be apolitical.Secretly collecting information on democratically elected politicians,on the basis that they "might commit a crime" is as blatantly political an act as there could be.

Police always claim,disingenuosly, to be apolitical.Secretly collecting information on democratically elected politicians,on the basis that they "might commit a crime" is as blatantly political an act as there could be.P.Dant

Police always claim,disingenuosly, to be apolitical.Secretly collecting information on democratically elected politicians,on the basis that they "might commit a crime" is as blatantly political an act as there could be.

Score: -5

PorkyChopper
2:55pm Tue 17 Jun 14

HJarrs wrote…

The police and security services are more like the Stasi every day. How quickly we have turned into being a nation spied upon by corporations and arms of the state and how little fuss we, most of our politicians or the “free press” make.

A staggering amount of the erosion of our privacy happened under Labour Home Secretaries and continues under the Tories. Labour wanted further intrusion by introduction of identity cards. Can you imagine the joy for every little Hitler if they could demand your ID card!

We know the security services can at a whim listen to your phone calls, read your emails, turn on the microphones and cameras of computers, phones and smart TVs, and they do. The only thing holding them back is a lack of computer power. We are now under constant surveillance.

If it was proposed that someone should open your mail and you had a person in your house watching your every move, taking pics and recordings, there would be outrage, yet exactly this is happening.

We need to stand up and demand that it is our data, not Google's, not Apples's, not GCHQ's. The first thing we can do is to vote out Labour and Conservatives at the next election, parties that have and continue to treat the British people with contempt.

I can't believe that 15 people have given you the thumbs down. They must like being spied upon.

[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote:
The police and security services are more like the Stasi every day. How quickly we have turned into being a nation spied upon by corporations and arms of the state and how little fuss we, most of our politicians or the “free press” make.
A staggering amount of the erosion of our privacy happened under Labour Home Secretaries and continues under the Tories. Labour wanted further intrusion by introduction of identity cards. Can you imagine the joy for every little Hitler if they could demand your ID card!
We know the security services can at a whim listen to your phone calls, read your emails, turn on the microphones and cameras of computers, phones and smart TVs, and they do. The only thing holding them back is a lack of computer power. We are now under constant surveillance.
If it was proposed that someone should open your mail and you had a person in your house watching your every move, taking pics and recordings, there would be outrage, yet exactly this is happening.
We need to stand up and demand that it is our data, not Google's, not Apples's, not GCHQ's. The first thing we can do is to vote out Labour and Conservatives at the next election, parties that have and continue to treat the British people with contempt.[/p][/quote]I can't believe that 15 people have given you the thumbs down. They must like being spied upon.PorkyChopper

HJarrs wrote…

The police and security services are more like the Stasi every day. How quickly we have turned into being a nation spied upon by corporations and arms of the state and how little fuss we, most of our politicians or the “free press” make.

A staggering amount of the erosion of our privacy happened under Labour Home Secretaries and continues under the Tories. Labour wanted further intrusion by introduction of identity cards. Can you imagine the joy for every little Hitler if they could demand your ID card!

We know the security services can at a whim listen to your phone calls, read your emails, turn on the microphones and cameras of computers, phones and smart TVs, and they do. The only thing holding them back is a lack of computer power. We are now under constant surveillance.

If it was proposed that someone should open your mail and you had a person in your house watching your every move, taking pics and recordings, there would be outrage, yet exactly this is happening.

We need to stand up and demand that it is our data, not Google's, not Apples's, not GCHQ's. The first thing we can do is to vote out Labour and Conservatives at the next election, parties that have and continue to treat the British people with contempt.

I can't believe that 15 people have given you the thumbs down. They must like being spied upon.

Score: -9

HJarrs
6:47pm Tue 17 Jun 14

asterixobelix wrote…

HJarrs how dare you compare the freedom and democracy we have in this country to the Nazis or the Stasi. My mother grew up under the Nazis...they lost everything! My mother's cousin then lived under the Stasi for decades. You cannot imagine how she suffered and lived in fear.
Your comments are disgusting and you should apologise publicly to all those in Britain and around the world that you have offended.

Hmmmm. You didn't actually read what I posted did you?

I am sure that you relatives did suffer, I was only talking to somebody who was on the Stasi watch list yesterday.

You will note that the issue of spying on the citizenry is a big story in Germany where the memory of the Stasi of the DDR is still raw. The Stasi spied upon its citizenry and our security services and police are spying more and more on us, hence the comparison. The NSA and possibly GCHQ tapped well known terrorist Angela Merkal's phone and who knows what else they have been up to. They are out of control.

We are a form of democracy and total surveillance undermines that democracy. Perhaps you should ask your relatives whether they feel uneasy at the intrusive access to their personal information.

[quote][p][bold]asterixobelix[/bold] wrote:
HJarrs how dare you compare the freedom and democracy we have in this country to the Nazis or the Stasi. My mother grew up under the Nazis...they lost everything! My mother's cousin then lived under the Stasi for decades. You cannot imagine how she suffered and lived in fear.
Your comments are disgusting and you should apologise publicly to all those in Britain and around the world that you have offended.[/p][/quote]Hmmmm. You didn't actually read what I posted did you?
I am sure that you relatives did suffer, I was only talking to somebody who was on the Stasi watch list yesterday.
You will note that the issue of spying on the citizenry is a big story in Germany where the memory of the Stasi of the DDR is still raw. The Stasi spied upon its citizenry and our security services and police are spying more and more on us, hence the comparison. The NSA and possibly GCHQ tapped well known terrorist Angela Merkal's phone and who knows what else they have been up to. They are out of control.
We are a form of democracy and total surveillance undermines that democracy. Perhaps you should ask your relatives whether they feel uneasy at the intrusive access to their personal information.HJarrs

asterixobelix wrote…

HJarrs how dare you compare the freedom and democracy we have in this country to the Nazis or the Stasi. My mother grew up under the Nazis...they lost everything! My mother's cousin then lived under the Stasi for decades. You cannot imagine how she suffered and lived in fear.
Your comments are disgusting and you should apologise publicly to all those in Britain and around the world that you have offended.

Hmmmm. You didn't actually read what I posted did you?

I am sure that you relatives did suffer, I was only talking to somebody who was on the Stasi watch list yesterday.

You will note that the issue of spying on the citizenry is a big story in Germany where the memory of the Stasi of the DDR is still raw. The Stasi spied upon its citizenry and our security services and police are spying more and more on us, hence the comparison. The NSA and possibly GCHQ tapped well known terrorist Angela Merkal's phone and who knows what else they have been up to. They are out of control.

We are a form of democracy and total surveillance undermines that democracy. Perhaps you should ask your relatives whether they feel uneasy at the intrusive access to their personal information.

Score: -4

BtnLaurence
8:29pm Tue 17 Jun 14

Maxwell's Ghost wrote…

Caroline, some people are normal and protest. Some people seem normal and protest but aren't. You are so quaint and middle class you don't seem to be aware that there are some thoroughly nasty people about.
Unfortunately since the UK has been subjected to some of the worst terrorism attacks since the war, ie the London tube bombings, most people don't care if the police track people they fear may be a threat whatever people may be up to.
It's now the way of life in the UK. Caroline I was extremely concerned that one Green councillor sent messages out that a fellow councillor was wearing a swasitka and a faith school was a cult. I wouldn't want that man living next door to me, that is threatening. I hope he is tracked.

Middle class? Ha, common as muck with ideas above her station.

But quite true, we are living in a world where there is a constant threat of terrorism, and if tracking helps to fight it I'm afraid I have to agree with it.
It's not a nice feeling knowing that almost everything we email or post online or text etc can be held and looked at, but what else can they do with an ever increasing threat?

[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote:
Caroline, some people are normal and protest. Some people seem normal and protest but aren't. You are so quaint and middle class you don't seem to be aware that there are some thoroughly nasty people about.
Unfortunately since the UK has been subjected to some of the worst terrorism attacks since the war, ie the London tube bombings, most people don't care if the police track people they fear may be a threat whatever people may be up to.
It's now the way of life in the UK. Caroline I was extremely concerned that one Green councillor sent messages out that a fellow councillor was wearing a swasitka and a faith school was a cult. I wouldn't want that man living next door to me, that is threatening. I hope he is tracked.[/p][/quote]Middle class? Ha, common as muck with ideas above her station.
But quite true, we are living in a world where there is a constant threat of terrorism, and if tracking helps to fight it I'm afraid I have to agree with it.
It's not a nice feeling knowing that almost everything we email or post online or text etc can be held and looked at, but what else can they do with an ever increasing threat?BtnLaurence

Maxwell's Ghost wrote…

Caroline, some people are normal and protest. Some people seem normal and protest but aren't. You are so quaint and middle class you don't seem to be aware that there are some thoroughly nasty people about.
Unfortunately since the UK has been subjected to some of the worst terrorism attacks since the war, ie the London tube bombings, most people don't care if the police track people they fear may be a threat whatever people may be up to.
It's now the way of life in the UK. Caroline I was extremely concerned that one Green councillor sent messages out that a fellow councillor was wearing a swasitka and a faith school was a cult. I wouldn't want that man living next door to me, that is threatening. I hope he is tracked.

Middle class? Ha, common as muck with ideas above her station.

But quite true, we are living in a world where there is a constant threat of terrorism, and if tracking helps to fight it I'm afraid I have to agree with it.
It's not a nice feeling knowing that almost everything we email or post online or text etc can be held and looked at, but what else can they do with an ever increasing threat?

Score: 1

Plantpot
10:51am Wed 18 Jun 14

HJarrs wrote…

BtnLaurence wrote…

Maxwell's Ghost wrote…

Caroline, some people are normal and protest. Some people seem normal and protest but aren't. You are so quaint and middle class you don't seem to be aware that there are some thoroughly nasty people about.
Unfortunately since the UK has been subjected to some of the worst terrorism attacks since the war, ie the London tube bombings, most people don't care if the police track people they fear may be a threat whatever people may be up to.
It's now the way of life in the UK. Caroline I was extremely concerned that one Green councillor sent messages out that a fellow councillor was wearing a swasitka and a faith school was a cult. I wouldn't want that man living next door to me, that is threatening. I hope he is tracked.

Middle class? Ha, common as muck with ideas above her station.

But quite true, we are living in a world where there is a constant threat of terrorism, and if tracking helps to fight it I'm afraid I have to agree with it.
It's not a nice feeling knowing that almost everything we email or post online or text etc can be held and looked at, but what else can they do with an ever increasing threat?

In the 40's to 80's we lived with potential nuclear Armageddon and possible invasion, during the 70's to 2000's we faced domestic terrorism that resulted in thousands of deaths. We have always faced terrorist threats, but without the need to spy on the whole population or elected politicians.

As exposed by the press and in the courts, the police have sent in undercover agents and provocateurs into peaceful protest groups and no doubt the Greens seemingly to defend corporate interests. These resources should have been used to concentrate on the real terrorists.

I think you meant to say that previously mass surveillance was difficult, but now, in the age of the internet, and with the apparent co-operation of the suppliers of comms equipment, it is much easier.

Intelligence is about prevention, not putting together the pieces after an atrocity.

I for one am pleased that we are proactively targeting people that may be a threat, whether they mean to be or not. I also believe that this is something we have always done, but have never needed to point out, as it is safe to assume that our spies are busy spying, as they should be. My guess is that there are plenty of brave, patriotic people working for our intelligence services, that we should be grateful for, along with the inevitable bad apple or two, but they are found in every walk of life.

[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]BtnLaurence[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote:
Caroline, some people are normal and protest. Some people seem normal and protest but aren't. You are so quaint and middle class you don't seem to be aware that there are some thoroughly nasty people about.
Unfortunately since the UK has been subjected to some of the worst terrorism attacks since the war, ie the London tube bombings, most people don't care if the police track people they fear may be a threat whatever people may be up to.
It's now the way of life in the UK. Caroline I was extremely concerned that one Green councillor sent messages out that a fellow councillor was wearing a swasitka and a faith school was a cult. I wouldn't want that man living next door to me, that is threatening. I hope he is tracked.[/p][/quote]Middle class? Ha, common as muck with ideas above her station.
But quite true, we are living in a world where there is a constant threat of terrorism, and if tracking helps to fight it I'm afraid I have to agree with it.
It's not a nice feeling knowing that almost everything we email or post online or text etc can be held and looked at, but what else can they do with an ever increasing threat?[/p][/quote]In the 40's to 80's we lived with potential nuclear Armageddon and possible invasion, during the 70's to 2000's we faced domestic terrorism that resulted in thousands of deaths. We have always faced terrorist threats, but without the need to spy on the whole population or elected politicians.
As exposed by the press and in the courts, the police have sent in undercover agents and provocateurs into peaceful protest groups and no doubt the Greens seemingly to defend corporate interests. These resources should have been used to concentrate on the real terrorists.[/p][/quote]I think you meant to say that previously mass surveillance was difficult, but now, in the age of the internet, and with the apparent co-operation of the suppliers of comms equipment, it is much easier.
Intelligence is about prevention, not putting together the pieces after an atrocity.
I for one am pleased that we are proactively targeting people that may be a threat, whether they mean to be or not. I also believe that this is something we have always done, but have never needed to point out, as it is safe to assume that our spies are busy spying, as they should be. My guess is that there are plenty of brave, patriotic people working for our intelligence services, that we should be grateful for, along with the inevitable bad apple or two, but they are found in every walk of life.Plantpot

HJarrs wrote…

BtnLaurence wrote…

Maxwell's Ghost wrote…

Caroline, some people are normal and protest. Some people seem normal and protest but aren't. You are so quaint and middle class you don't seem to be aware that there are some thoroughly nasty people about.
Unfortunately since the UK has been subjected to some of the worst terrorism attacks since the war, ie the London tube bombings, most people don't care if the police track people they fear may be a threat whatever people may be up to.
It's now the way of life in the UK. Caroline I was extremely concerned that one Green councillor sent messages out that a fellow councillor was wearing a swasitka and a faith school was a cult. I wouldn't want that man living next door to me, that is threatening. I hope he is tracked.

Middle class? Ha, common as muck with ideas above her station.

But quite true, we are living in a world where there is a constant threat of terrorism, and if tracking helps to fight it I'm afraid I have to agree with it.
It's not a nice feeling knowing that almost everything we email or post online or text etc can be held and looked at, but what else can they do with an ever increasing threat?

In the 40's to 80's we lived with potential nuclear Armageddon and possible invasion, during the 70's to 2000's we faced domestic terrorism that resulted in thousands of deaths. We have always faced terrorist threats, but without the need to spy on the whole population or elected politicians.

As exposed by the press and in the courts, the police have sent in undercover agents and provocateurs into peaceful protest groups and no doubt the Greens seemingly to defend corporate interests. These resources should have been used to concentrate on the real terrorists.

I think you meant to say that previously mass surveillance was difficult, but now, in the age of the internet, and with the apparent co-operation of the suppliers of comms equipment, it is much easier.

Intelligence is about prevention, not putting together the pieces after an atrocity.

I for one am pleased that we are proactively targeting people that may be a threat, whether they mean to be or not. I also believe that this is something we have always done, but have never needed to point out, as it is safe to assume that our spies are busy spying, as they should be. My guess is that there are plenty of brave, patriotic people working for our intelligence services, that we should be grateful for, along with the inevitable bad apple or two, but they are found in every walk of life.

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