What Steve Jobs And Bill Gates Really Thought About Each Otherhttp://www.businessinsider.com/steve-jobs-and-bill-gates-quotes-2013-5/comments
en-usWed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 -0500Fri, 09 Dec 2016 13:11:04 -0500Jay Yarowhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/51aca83beab8eaaf1a000019spikey27Mon, 03 Jun 2013 10:29:15 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51aca83beab8eaaf1a000019
Each thought the other was a turd.
And, both were right.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51a85aaeecad046811000002NgoniFri, 31 May 2013 04:09:18 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51a85aaeecad046811000002
FTA: "There's no relationship in history like that of Steve Jobs and Bill Gates."
This is not true... Guglielmo Marconi and Nikola Tesla had exactly the same relationship involving a vicious rivalry, an almost resentful respect of each other and often pilfering off each others inventions as they leapfrogged each other through the years.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51a64559eab8ea4f0e000022Jobs did it for the moneyWed, 29 May 2013 14:13:45 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51a64559eab8ea4f0e000022
Just read the bullying e-mails he sent to Palm's CEO, demanding that he cease making job offers to Apple employees who sought employment there.
Read about the massive conspiracy he spearheaded throughout Silicon Valley, instituting a "no-hire" clause to reduce job mobility and hold down wages across the tech business.
The first thing he did when he returned to Apple was to shut down its charitable giving -- and never reopened it.
Then there's the 40% to 60% gross margins and outsourcing to low-wage countries.
He was ALL about the money. It was always about the money.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51a537ef6bb3f7361e000031James PaigeTue, 28 May 2013 19:04:15 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51a537ef6bb3f7361e000031
What does it mean?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51a51e2a6bb3f75d72000008pepsimaxTue, 28 May 2013 17:14:18 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51a51e2a6bb3f75d72000008
I don't think you know what the phrase "15 minutes of fame" means.....http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51a4fbf4ecad049f3300000aJames PaigeTue, 28 May 2013 14:48:20 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51a4fbf4ecad049f3300000a
Yes, thanks to his monopolistic control over the industry. Gates will be remember well past his 15 minutes of fame. But, it is jobs who really innovated the computer industry. It is easy to sell software. It is much hard to sell a whole new way of doing things. MSFT never did this or will it ever. Mac is the true star of the Tech world. Not cheap PC'shttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/51a4d9d7ecad044174000002ItisopenfordevelopersTue, 28 May 2013 12:22:47 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51a4d9d7ecad044174000002
Windows and Office are completely open in the sense that they are highly customizable and they are completely programmable to automate just about anything, and especially for the last it has documentation to program it that is miles beyond what any other company or group has ever produced. They are/were also completely open in the sense that anyone and everyone can write programs for it and distribute them as they see fit.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51a4d646eab8ea3050000009WHRTue, 28 May 2013 12:07:34 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51a4d646eab8ea3050000009
Right, I have always been amazed that MSFT could effectively copy CPM and sell it to IBM. The they copied Apple's graphic interface and got away with that.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51a4cc1269beddb629000008yorllleTue, 28 May 2013 11:24:02 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51a4cc1269beddb629000008
That's no way to speak about Steve Jobs!!!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51a4bf6b6bb3f73e3e000009howisitopen?Tue, 28 May 2013 10:30:03 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51a4bf6b6bb3f73e3e000009
"Bill Gates was an upper class kid from Washington who believed in open products"
I just dont get this comment ... how does he believe in "open" products? what is the article writers definition of open? The only way I see it is they do not control the hardware directly! They did control it indirectly though! .... Mac OS X is much more of an open product as the kernel and underlying OS is open sourced!!!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51a4768b69beddbb54000018Julien SorelTue, 28 May 2013 05:19:07 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51a4768b69beddbb54000018
"Visionary" Steve Jobs made the worst call in the history of personal computing! He famously decreed that preemptive processing, the technical name for an operating-system feature that makes so-called multitasking possible, was a ridiculous specification for a personal computer. Not if you want to browse the Internet, check your e-mail, and listen to music at the same time! This error forced Apple to panic and grab a decades-old open-source operating system (a version of BSD Unix) and graft their tarted-up GUI onto it: OSX was born! Gates, on the other hand, hired one of the developers of the widely-admired and proven DEC minicomputer OS VMS to lead development of Windows 95 and guess whose OS is running corporate network infrastructure now?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51a41bc4ecad04ad0a00000aold indieMon, 27 May 2013 22:51:48 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51a41bc4ecad04ad0a00000a
Couple of points here.
Yes, MS DID loan Apple money, and Jobs would have probably failed without the $100Millions from Gates.
And, Yes, Office for Mac made much more gross margin than Office for Windows. In other words, the fact that Mac users pay much more for software was a very good thing for Microsoft.
This isn't an NFL game. Both sides needed each other.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51a41ae2ecad043508000012old indieMon, 27 May 2013 22:48:02 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51a41ae2ecad043508000012
The press loves the hateful rivals.
I have met and talked to both guys. The are totally different, as you would expect. Jobs only talks to 'little people' when he is angry at them. Not a snob, just doesn't see the need to waste his time unless there is a specific reason to talk. He had many personality flaws, but build a better company and much better products.
Gates would ask you questions and actually listen to the answer. He had an incredible mind. I do not like MS products or strategy, but do admire Bill, the company he created, and the way he and his wife are trying to change the world.
I would guess that they had many deep conversations in private, outside of the world's ears. Both changed the world in quite different ways.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51a3af1feab8eaab40000009Speaking of brainsMon, 27 May 2013 15:08:15 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51a3af1feab8eaab40000009
You were saying what about AAPL at $1,000 ? Oh, I remember now. Inevitable.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51a3845deab8eaa366000002Rann XeroxxMon, 27 May 2013 12:05:49 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51a3845deab8eaa366000002
Obviously not Jobs since during his reign Apple was rather stingy with charity and Jobs was never much for giving his own wealth away. I assume it is then Gates whom will give a greater percent of his wealth away and encourage other million/billionaires to do the same and will make a real difference in the world to where if I were to guess, the percent you give away of your own wealth is much smaller.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51a3699469beddec48000009James PaigeMon, 27 May 2013 10:11:32 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51a3699469beddec48000009
What history. Oh yeah he stole DOS From another guy and made it his own then sold it ti IBM and made Trillions. Same thing they did to Nokia.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51a368f46bb3f7513b00000cJames PaigeMon, 27 May 2013 10:08:52 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51a368f46bb3f7513b00000c
He is an economist. He doesn't know anything about shat he speaks. Microsoft has done everything in its power to control the world. Buying up smaller rivals to keep competition away. MS being open is a joke.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51a3555c69bedd6f16000007david emMon, 27 May 2013 08:45:16 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51a3555c69bedd6f16000007
While the other can hoard wealth while being held up as a god by the small minded sheep who worship him...http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51a3518169bedd660a000012Freddy beeMon, 27 May 2013 08:28:49 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51a3518169bedd660a000012
You truly are a moron.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51a336ed69beddbc4000003cSteve Jobs never did it for moneyMon, 27 May 2013 06:35:25 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51a336ed69beddbc4000003c
While you made most of your points valid, you are absolutely wrong Steve Jobs did it for the money. Steve Jobs has always been passionate in making products with great user experience. If he was for the money, he would have been richer than he already was.
The money has always been bonus for Steve Jobs, but his ultimate goal was to build product with great design (in Steve Jobs' definition: great user experience & how it works). He's certainly flawed in many ways, but he definitely deserve more respects and free from wrong perception that he was up for money.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51a30effeab8eaff63000006Beltway GregMon, 27 May 2013 03:45:03 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51a30effeab8eaff63000006
It must be so fortunate to have been born without a brain. Makes things much easier eh? Actually, as a CEO Jobs left a lot to be desired. One thing you need to know about all that money is that it tends to, in many cases stifle creativity. People start doing what Gates' wants done in the manner in which Gates' wants it done to attract those crazy research dollars.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51a2fa0669bedd3b4000001bSimo76voMon, 27 May 2013 02:15:34 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51a2fa0669bedd3b4000001b
I couldn't agree more ... No doubt about who you are talking abouthttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/51a2edf2eab8eafd11000047SouinadMon, 27 May 2013 01:24:02 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51a2edf2eab8eafd11000047
Of course Microsoft products ARE open, much more than Adobe or Apple products, especially for developers. Open does not mean "open source".http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51a2cdf06bb3f7bb13000013todddSun, 26 May 2013 23:07:28 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51a2cdf06bb3f7bb13000013
I read that and said WTF as well. Gates had a lawsuit for anti-trust....how non-open does it get when you're being sued for being a monopoly?
Microsoft owns patents that Android (a UNIX, OPEN OS) has to pay.
I realize there are kids on here that were toddlers when Google started searching the web. They've never had the pleasure of seeing how Microsoft soaked all developers and hardware designers.
Or how they stopped shipping Windows to PC manufacturers that offered Linux as an alternative.
And ask anyone that knew Gates in the early days of computers. Most traded circuit designs and code, early computer fanatics were tantamount to hippies, but it was Gates that pushed for protecting intellectual property and most hated him.
I guess it's just relative to Jobs to say Gates was a fan of open architecture.
Remember, Gates was the first to limit your OS installation to one PC. The guy is a dooshbag.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51a2bb41eab8eaf532000008Seems likeSun, 26 May 2013 21:47:45 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51a2bb41eab8eaf532000008
They were friends. Only friends can talk that way about each other.
We'll never care what Zuckerberg and the guy from Twitter say about each other in 30 years.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51a2b0796bb3f7355a000014elllroySun, 26 May 2013 21:01:45 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51a2b0796bb3f7355a000014
Obviously, one can have all of the ill-gotten gains in the world, give away lots of it in a vain attempt to secure a ticket to heaven while being praised for it by some, and still be a vindictive, pig-headed, sore loser.
guess about whom i am talking about.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51a2af8d6bb3f7755e000008sgoyerSun, 26 May 2013 20:57:49 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51a2af8d6bb3f7755e000008
we're talking about open platforms, not open source....http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51a2af22ecad041b5b000026mel o deeSun, 26 May 2013 20:56:02 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51a2af22ecad041b5b000026
"Open" is somewhat subjective. In a "pure" sense, you are correct.
But, life is rarely "pure."
Microsoft gladly licensed their software to many vendors. They didn't exclude anyone, not even Apple (Office for Apple remains fairly standard, especially for academic use).
Apple on the other hand licensed nothing to no one. They were a hardware company with proprietary software.
So, yes, Apple was more "closed" than Microsoft, even if Microsoft was never "Open" in a pure sense of the word.
Regardless, this is a stupid discussion - The point of the article was about two guys who really were quite unique separately and together. I remember when Microsoft invested in Apple back in the 90s to keep it afloat. There was competition, but there was respect. Something we don't see nearly enough of these days.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51a2abcf6bb3f78a51000015elllroySun, 26 May 2013 20:41:51 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51a2abcf6bb3f78a51000015
open? what is open about windows and office? they are as proprietary as it gets. clueless tech bloggers as jay don't even know what "open" means anymore.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51a2ab7ceab8eac206000013Bill Gates will make history. Jobs, not so much.Sun, 26 May 2013 20:40:28 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/51a2ab7ceab8eac206000013
Bill will leave a legacy of accomplishments in many fields. He will leave a foundation that has done more good for people in poor countries than their own governments. And while he was a fierce competitor he sought to lower prices so that everybody had access to a PC. The PC revolutionized the world thanks to Microsoft and Intel.
Jobs was a superior designer and a shrewd CEO. No one will take that away from him. But he was in it for the money. Fair enough but that disqualifies him from comparisons with BG. BG is a great person with a great heart. SJ was an asshole.