Wednesday, May 18, 2005

[Manchester_United_2004] Digest Number 748

------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Help save the life of a child. Support St. Jude Children's Research Hospital's'Thanks & Giving.'http://us.click.yahoo.com/6iY7fA/5WnJAA/Y3ZIAA/GtUolB/TM--------------------------------------------------------------------~->

i think its over ........glazer issue can be put to rest n i think the time has come to think abt the future................. the new signins .......transfer.n........ loads of stuff...........

till then.........

vichar hari

P.S " TILL I LIVE " just came out of mind n its not going to be a cliche........

Preston Adams <preston_adams101@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:"TILL I LIVE"???wow, we found a new cliche!!!:)Normally its "TILL I DIE"but who's gonna argue with this dude, easier to shoot shakespeare thn argue with this guy.- Tejas

hey deck ................... I AM AND I WiLL BE A MANCHESTER UNITED TILL I LIVE.

till then...........

vichar hari

Preston Adams <preston_adams101@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:Oh hey, hi Donovan,Back after a long time, did you really go to Florida? Hey mate, I was counting on you to appear in Oregon News, alas! I guess you didnt use the address that I had posted it seems :)Anyways, coming to this vichar dude, seriously he needs to be a lot more circumspect before posting crap here. But yeah, I guess he's just another lurker, but you know Donovan, if we keep replying to his shit it will be like giving the guy attention, so lets just ignore him ok?- PA

Today we the RED ARMY are supporters without a club and are called todefend our beloved history of Manchester United from Glazer and hisassociates. Our grief has turned to anger, and our anger has to bereleased. Whether we bring our enemies to justice, or bring justiceto our enemies, justice will be done.

On May 12, 2005, enemies of Red Army committed an act of war againstus. The Glazer Family have known wars of soughts -- but for the past2 years, they have been wars of words and peaceful protests, exceptfor the one that has now begun. The Glazer family have known thecasualties of war, (Tampa Bay Season Ticket Holders). Here in UnitedKingdom we will not allow the hated Leprechaun to have a peacefulday, while him, his family and associates conduct their greedybusiness in our home of Old Trafford, a great stadium that has beenerected to house our following and built with our money and support.In the world of business never before have thousands of civiliansconducted revenge on a single business and lost. All of this wasbrought upon us in a single day, and night fell on a different world,a world where our club itself is no longer our own club, ManchesterUnited is temporary no longer. Until the day we have our Clubreturned to us it shall be known as Glazer United.Malcolm Glazer is to United fans what Adolph Hitler was to Europe.The darkest of shadows now cast over Old Trafford, the once richestclub in the world, a club of winning championships and seekingsuccess now banished to HELL with Satan at the helm. His goal is toreap as much income as possible, regardless of where and how it issought.Today the RED ARMY make the following requirements of the Glazerfamily: Deliver our club back to us, reinstate all that was before.Release all your shares back to the market. Protect yourself andyour family as well as your associates and workers. Closeimmediately all ties with Manchester United and permanently stay awayfrom Manchester United and all of its business. If you are willingto abide with our terms, then every employee at Old Trafford and theCarrington training camp will remain unharmed. In the meantime untilour requirements are met, it has been considered that all youremployees and their families are now our enemies. Any person, group,trust, organisation, business, sponsor or affiliate who in theirsupport or structure, have to appropriate any business with you onthe day to day running of Glazer United are now deemed enemies of theRED ARMY.These requirements are not open to negotiation or discussion. TheGlazer family must act, and act immediately. They will hand back ourManchester United, or they will share in their fate.

We also want to speak today directly to all Manchester UnitedSupporters throughout the world. We welcome and respect your supportfrom all the millions of RED ARMY followers, and by thousands more incountries that have supported Manchester United via television thatwe count as friends. We already have the support of our followingfrom Norway, Arabia, South Africa to China, and Australia toArgentina. Our support has been good and peaceful, and for those whocommit to our cause, to execute the removal of the evil Glazer familyfrom Manchester are welcome to unleash their frustations and venttheir anger for the Cause. The Irish duo of Magnus and Mangier aretraitors to our faith, once trying to hijack United themselves, thento commit deceit, so treacherous an act that they have committed andis therefore deemed punishable. As for all others who sold out toGlazer you have made yourself a target for punishment. All of yourdaily interests and social activities are now under scrutiny and aremarked to be attacked as you are now our enemy. We shall leave nostone unturned until these traitors are left to burn in Hell.

The RED ARMY would like to make it clear; it is NOT our many Americanfriends, which have become our enemy. For we have widespread supportthroughout America in our war on Glazer. Our enemy is the radicalnetwork of Glazer and his associates, and every organisation that hasassisted him in acquiring our club.Our war on Glazer begins today, but it does not end overnight. Itwill not end until every piece of acquisition of Manchester United ishanded back to the RED ARMY and Glazer defeated.

People are asking, why do we hate him? We hate what we see righthere as a capitalist venture for an individual that will ruin theEnglish game of football not only for Manchester United but forsmaller clubs in the lower leagues. Their leaders are self-appointedand not democratically elected, not allowing any input or a voicefrom the supporters The Glazer family hate the freedom of speech,you only have to ask the Season Ticket Holders of Tampa BayBuccaneers. Malcolm Glazer took them to court and sued them. Canyou imagine a European football club taking its own fan base tocourt? Our religion of United, our freedom of speech, our right toassemble and disagree with the board of directors is banished foreveruntil we rid Manchester United of the Glazer family.

People are asking: How will we fight and win this war? We willdirect every resource at our command, every means of diplomacy, andevery tool of intelligence, every instrument of law, every financialinfluence, and every necessary weapon of war, to the disruption andto the defeat of the Glazer network.This war will not be like the war of words and protest that havetaken place in the past. We also believe it will not be a swiftconclusion. In Manchester, the uprising has begun. This will moveto Cardiff and other major cities in England; we will take this warto the capital cities of Europe. Glazer is counting on a majorfinancial income from European sources which will be one of our mainobjectives. We are willing to allow Glazer United to be removed fromChampions League football. Once this objective is successful,sponsorships will begin to dry and wither. All current sponsors,NIKE, Vodafone, Budweiser, Ladbrokes, Endsleigh Insurance, DimensionData, PEPSI, Wilkinson Sword, AUDI, Fuji Film, and Century Radio arenow legitimate targets of the RED ARMY. Let this be a warning to anyother potential sponsor for Glazer United. Any person promoting orprofiting from Glazer United will also be deemed the enemy and leavethemselves open to attack. There will also include impromptu raidson people entering Old Trafford to support Glazer United. Theseraids though will only serve as a re education so that these peopleare aware of the RED ARMY cause. Other legitimate targets includeall staff and employees and their families of Old Trafford, suppliersand their employees and families. This will also include any mediaentering Old Trafford.

IF YOU WANT TO STAY IN GOOD HEALTH, DO NOT BE ASSOCIATED, CONNECTEDOR WORK FOR GLAZER UNITED.

Our response involves far more than instant retaliation and isolatedstrikes. Glazer United should not expect one battle, but a lengthycampaign, unlike any other that has been known in the world ofsport. It may include dramatic strikes, visible on TV, and covertoperations, secret even in success. We will starve Glazer offunding, turn them one against another, drive them from Old Traffordback to Florida, until there is no refuge. In addition, we willpursue associates of Glazer and those that sold us down the riverthat provided a path for Glazer to enter Manchester. Everysupporter, in every region, in every nation around the World now hasa decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with theGlazer. From this day forward, any person or business thatcontinues to support Glazer United will be regarded by the RED ARMYas a hostile.

Our followers have been put on notice: That we are not immune fromattack. We will take defensive measures against Glazer to protectour following. Today, 374 members of the MEC-RED ARMY have agreed inprincipal to the agreement to take up their stance and begin thewar. These efforts are being coordinated at the highest level. Aswell as individual level as to confuse the authorities as much aspossible.These measures are essential. But the only way to defeat Glazer as athreat to our history and future of Manchester United is to stop him,eliminate him, and destroy him while he has a grip on ManchesterUnited.

What is at stake is not just Manchester United's future. The wholefuture of the English football is at risk. This is civilization'sfight against a greedy man, he is not entering Manchester as a herosaving a club from extinction; he cannot do what Manchester Unitedwas not doing already. He can only be here for one reason and thatis to destroy the good name of English football. Does this man thinkthat this is the best way to import soccer into America? He is sowrong; the American culture does not accept our game of football on ascale in comparison to their own sports of baseball and such likes.

We ask every football fan to join us. We will ask, and we will need,the help of the real united fans from across the world. The RED ARMYis grateful that many of you here in the UK and many internationallyorganised have already responded, with sympathy and with support.With the conductance to not purchasing the merchandise associatedwith Glazer United or other products of these companies, Glazer shallfeel the financial pressure, and we estimate that the indicators willshow this by January 2006.

Supporters are asking: What is expected of us? We only ask that youlive your lives, and be ready to fight. We know many supporters havefears today, and we ask you to be calm and resolute, even in the faceof a continuing menace of Malcolm Glazer. We ask you to uphold thevalues of the true and historical United fan, and remember why somany have been to Old Trafford in our glorious history. We are in afight for our principles, and our first responsibility is to live bythem. Only our enemies should be singled out for unfair treatment orunkind words because of their unethical business dealing with theGlazer family and the background to this takeover. Companies andemployees such as J P Morgan, N M Rothschild, to name a few areall legitimate targets. We will not forget this wound to our clubor those who inflicted it. We will not yield; we will not rest; wewill not relent in waging this struggle for freedom and security forthe RED ARMY to return home to a Glazer free Old Trafford.

It is our hope that in the months, years ahead, that life will returnto normal. When our own VE Day arrives we will go back to our homeof Old Trafford and our Saturday routines, and that is good. Evengrief recedes with time and grace. But our resolve must not pass.Each of us will remember what happened that day the 12th May, and towhom it happened. We'll remember the moment the news came, where wewere and what we were doing. Some will remember an image of fire, orof news that felt like death. Some will carry memories of a game anda roaring voice gone forever.

Today we thank our fellow RED ARMY followers for what you havealready done and for what you will do. To the ladies and gentlemenof the formerly Manchester United, we thank you, for yourrepresentations and information that has put us in good stead for ourWar with Glazer UnitedThe course of this conflict is not known, yet its outcome iscertain. For freedom and fear, justice and cruelty, have always beenat war, and we know that God is not neutral between them.

And, finally, please continue praying that one day soon Glazer andhis family will leave Manchester and our great country. Prayer hascomforted us in sorrow, and will help strengthen us for the journeyahead.

n who do u think glazer will be more interested in... may be arockstar...he can be sold in the US...or may be he'll bring jackie chan towin over asian audience thinking that he's more popular than anyfootballers...or yeah he may bring in any nfl or nba player...God knowsglazer with a zilch knowledge about football can really give such idioticideas..

ciao..curtz.. born devil 'o'

P.S. - Glazer wants beckham back...pray that he does not spend the wholetransfer money allocated on beckham...coz real definitely wont let him goeasily...coz perez like glazer only cares about money....

> hey guys.......>> i think its over ........glazer issue can be put to rest n i think the> time has come to think abt the future................. the new signins> .......transfer.n........ loads of stuff...........>> till then.........>> vichar hari>> P.S " TILL I LIVE " just came out of mind n its not going to be a> cliche........>> Preston Adams <preston_adams101@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:> "TILL I LIVE"???> wow, we found a new cliche!!!:)> Normally its "TILL I DIE"> but who's gonna argue with this dude, easier to shoot shakespeare thn> argue with this guy. - Tejas>> vichar hari <vichie_87@yahoo.co.in> wrote:> yeah yeah .......... i know .u can ignore me............but not my> spirit .................>> hey deck ................... I AM AND I WiLL BE A MANCHESTER UNITED TILL> I LIVE.>> till then...........>> vichar hari>> Preston Adams <preston_adams101@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:> Oh hey, hi Donovan,> Back after a long time, did you really go to Florida? Hey mate, I was> counting on you to appear in Oregon News, alas! I guess you didnt use> the address that I had posted it seems :) Anyways, coming to this vichar> dude, seriously he needs to be a lot more circumspect before posting> crap here. But yeah, I guess he's just another lurker, but you know> Donovan, if we keep replying to his shit it will be like giving the guy> attention, so lets just ignore him ok? - PA>> Dekock Donovan <Donovan.Dekock@process.glta.co.za> wrote:> v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}w\:*> {behavior:url(#default#VML);}.shape> {behavior:url(#default#VML);}st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } The> only waste of time here is me reading your pathetic posts !>>>> U are not a United fan ,. . . so what the hell are you doing here !>>>>>> --------------------------------->>> From: vichar hari [mailto:vichie_87@yahoo.co.in]> Sent: 15 May 2005 04:33 PM> To: Manchester_United_2004@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [Manchester_United_2004] WAR DECLARED ON GLAZER-MEC, RED> ARMY STATEMENT>>>>> cha cha ............>>>>>> a real waste of time typing this note..............>>>>>> till then ................>>>>>> vichar hari>>>>> mec_red_army <mec_red_army@yahoo.com> wrote:>>> STATEMENT FROM RED ARMY>> Today we the RED ARMY are supporters without a club and are called to> defend our beloved history of Manchester United from Glazer and his> associates. Our grief has turned to anger, and our anger has to be> released. Whether we bring our enemies to justice, or bring justice to> our enemies, justice will be done.>> On May 12, 2005, enemies of Red Army committed an act of war against us.> The Glazer Family have known wars of soughts -- but for the past 2> years, they have been wars of words and peaceful protests, except for> the one that has now begun. The Glazer family have known the> casualties of war, (Tampa Bay Season Ticket Holders). Here in United> Kingdom we will not allow the hated Leprechaun to have a peaceful> day, while him, his family and associates conduct their greedy> business in our home of Old Trafford, a great stadium that has been> erected to house our following and built with our money and support. In> the world of business never before have thousands of civilians> conducted revenge on a single business and lost. All of this was> brought upon us in a single day, and night fell on a different world, a> world where our club itself is no longer our own club, Manchester United> is temporary no longer. Until the day we have our Club> returned to us it shall be known as Glazer United> .> Malcolm Glazer is to United fans what Adolph Hitler was to Europe. The> darkest of shadows now cast over Old Trafford, the once richest club in> the world, a club of winning championships and seeking> success now banished to HELL with Satan at the helm. His goal is to reap> as much income as possible, regardless of where and how it is sought.> Today the RED ARMY make the following requirements of the Glazer> family: Deliver our club back to us, reinstate all that was before.> Release all your shares back to the market. Protect yourself and> your family as well as your associates and workers. Close> immediately all ties with Manchester United and permanently stay away> from Manchester United and all of its business. If you are willing to> abide with our terms, then every employee at Old Trafford and the> Carrington training camp will remain unharmed. In the meantime until our> requirements are met, it has been considered that all your> employees and their families are now our enemies. Any person, group,> trust, organisation, business, sponsor or affiliate who in their> support or structure, have to appropriate any business with you on the> day to day running of Glazer United are now deemed enemies of the RED> ARMY.> These requirements are not open to negotiation or discussion. The> Glazer family must act, and act immediately. They will hand back our> Manchester United, or they will share in their fate.>> We also want to speak today directly to all Manchester United> Supporters throughout the world. We welcome and respect your support> from all the millions of RED ARMY followers, and by thousands more in> countries that have supported Manchester United via television that we> count as friends. We already have the support of our following> from Norway, Arabia, South Africa to China, and Australia to> Argentina. Our support has been good and peaceful, and for those who> commit to our cause, to execute the removal of the evil Glazer family> from Manchester are welcome to unleash their frustations and vent> their anger for the Cause. The Irish duo of Magnus and Mangier are> traitors to our faith, once trying to hijack United themselves, then to> commit deceit, so treacherous an act that they have committed and is> therefore deemed punishable. As for all others who sold out to> Glazer you have made yourself a target for punishment. All of your daily> interests and social activities are now under scrutiny and are marked to> be attacked as you are now our enemy. We shall leave no> stone unturned until these traitors are left to burn in Hell.>> The RED ARMY would like to make it clear; it is NOT our many American> friends, which have become our enemy. For we have widespread support> throughout America in our war on Glazer. Our enemy is the radical> network of Glazer and his associates, and every organisation that has> assisted him in acquiring our club.> Our war on Glazer begins today, but it does not end overnight. It> will not end until every piece of acquisition of Manchester United is> handed back to the RED ARMY and Glazer defeated.>> People are asking, why do we hate him? We hate what we see right> here as a capitalist venture for an individual that will ruin the> English game of football not only for Manchester United but for> smaller clubs in the lower leagues. Their leaders are self-appointed and> not democratically elected, not allowing any input or a voice> from the supporters The Glazer family hate the freedom of speech,> you only have to ask the Season Ticket Holders of Tampa Bay> Buccaneers. Malcolm Glazer took them to court and sued them. Can> you imagine a European football club taking its own fan base to> court? Our religion of United, our freedom of speech, our right to> assemble and disagree with the board of directors is banished forever> until we rid Manchester United of the Glazer family.>> People are asking: How will we fight and win this war? We will> direct every resource at our command, every means of diplomacy, and> every tool of intelligence, every instrument of law, every financial> influence, and every necessary weapon of war, to the disruption and to> the defeat of the Glazer network.> This war will not be like the war of words and protest that have> taken place in the past. We also believe it will not be a swift> conclusion. In Manchester, the uprising has begun. This will move> to Cardiff and other major cities in England; we will take this war to> the capital cities of Europe. Glazer is counting on a major> financial income from European sources which will be one of our main> objectives. We are willing to allow Glazer United to be removed from> Champions League football. Once this objective is successful,> sponsorships will begin to dry and wither. All current sponsors,> NIKE, Vodafone, Budweiser, Ladbrokes, Endsleigh Insurance, Dimension> Data, PEPSI, Wilkinson Sword, AUDI, Fuji Film, and Century Radio are now> legitimate targets of the RED ARMY. Let this be a warning to any other> potential sponsor for Glazer United. Any person promoting or profiting> from Glazer United will also be deemed the enemy and leave themselves> open to attack. There will also include impromptu raids on people> entering Old Trafford to support Glazer United. These> raids though will only serve as a re education so that these people are> aware of the RED ARMY cause. Other legitimate targets include> all staff and employees and their families of Old Trafford, suppliers> and their employees and families. This will also include any media> entering Old Trafford.>> IF YOU WANT TO STAY IN GOOD HEALTH, DO NOT BE ASSOCIATED, CONNECTED OR> WORK FOR GLAZER UNITED.>> Our response involves far more than instant retaliation and isolated> strikes. Glazer United should not expect one battle, but a lengthy> campaign, unlike any other that has been known in the world of> sport. It may include dramatic strikes, visible on TV, and covert> operations, secret even in success. We will starve Glazer of> funding, turn them one against another, drive them from Old Trafford> back to Florida, until there is no refuge. In addition, we will> pursue associates of Glazer and those that sold us down the river> that provided a path for Glazer to enter Manchester. Every> supporter, in every region, in every nation around the World now has a> decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the> Glazer. From this day forward, any person or business that> continues to support Glazer United will be regarded by the RED ARMY as a> hostile.>> Our followers have been put on notice: That we are not immune from> attack. We will take defensive measures against Glazer to protect> our following. Today, 374 members of the MEC-RED ARMY have agreed in> principal to the agreement to take up their stance and begin the> war. These efforts are being coordinated at the highest level. As> well as individual level as to confuse the authorities as much as> possible.> These measures are essential. But the only way to defeat Glazer as a> threat to our history and future of Manchester United is to stop him,> eliminate him, and destroy him while he has a grip on Manchester> United.>> What is at stake is not just Manchester United's future. The whole> future of the English football is at risk. This is civilization's> fight against a greedy man, he is not entering Manchester as a hero> saving a club from extinction; he cannot do what Manchester United was> not doing already. He can only be here for one reason and that is to> destroy the good name of English football. Does this man think that this> is the best way to import soccer into America? He is so> wrong; the American culture does not accept our game of football on a> scale in comparison to their own sports of baseball and such likes.>> We ask every football fan to join us. We will ask, and we will need, the> help of the real united fans from across the world. The RED ARMY is> grateful that many of you here in the UK and many internationally> organised have already responded, with sympathy and with support.> With the conductance to not purchasing the merchandise associated> with Glazer United or other products of these companies, Glazer shall> feel the financial pressure, and we estimate that the indicators will> show this by January 2006.>> Supporters are asking: What is expected of us? We only ask that you live> your lives, and be ready to fight. We know many supporters have fears> today, and we ask you to be calm and resolute, even in the face of a> continuing menace of Malcolm Glazer. We ask you to uphold the values of> the true and historical United fan, and remember why so> many have been to Old Trafford in our glorious history. We are in a> fight for our principles, and our first responsibility is to live by> them. Only our enemies should be singled out for unfair treatment or> unkind words because of their unethical business dealing with the> Glazer family and the background to this takeover. Companies and> employees such as J P Morgan, N M Rothschild, to name a few are> all legitimate targets. We will not forget this wound to our club> or those who inflicted it. We will not yield; we will not rest; we will> not relent in waging this struggle for freedom and security for the RED> ARMY to return home to a Glazer free Old Trafford.>> It is our hope that in the months, years ahead, that life will return to> normal. When our own VE Day arrives we will go back to our home of Old> Trafford and our Saturday routines, and that is good. Even> grief recedes with time and grace. But our resolve must not pass.> Each of us will remember what happened that day the 12th May, and to> whom it happened. We'll remember the moment the news came, where we were> and what we were doing. Some will remember an image of fire, or of news> that felt like death. Some will carry memories of a game and a roaring> voice gone forever.>> Today we thank our fellow RED ARMY followers for what you have> already done and for what you will do. To the ladies and gentlemen of> the formerly Manchester United, we thank you, for your> representations and information that has put us in good stead for our> War with Glazer United> The course of this conflict is not known, yet its outcome is> certain. For freedom and fear, justice and cruelty, have always been at> war, and we know that God is not neutral between them.>> And, finally, please continue praying that one day soon Glazer and his> family will leave Manchester and our great country. Prayer has comforted> us in sorrow, and will help strengthen us for the journey ahead.>> Remember this; the Flower of Manchester belongs in our hearts not in the> bank account of Malcolm Glazer.>>>>>>> Join the army! Travel the world, Meet interesting people, and kill them>>>> Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partner online.>>>> ---------------------------------> How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for> FREE with Yahoo! Photos. Get Yahoo! Photos>> Join the army! Travel the world, Meet interesting people, and kill them>>> Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partner online.>>> ---------------------------------> How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for> FREE with Yahoo! Photos. Get Yahoo! Photos>> ---------------------------------> Yahoo! Groups Links>> To visit your group on the web, go to:> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Manchester_United_2004/>> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:> Manchester_United_2004-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.>>>> Join the army! Travel the world, Meet interesting people, and kill them>>> Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partneronline.

Do you know simer who these ppl are? Have you ever been to any derby game?

I would say if you dont have answers to these questions, keep your trapshut, coz you are crossing the proverbial line when you say, "i want to slapthis fella...", just be a little careful the next time you post suchshitload of crap.

simer narulla <re_mis@yahoo.com.sg> wrote:

some ppl are just too fucking childish.i wish i could slap the fella whowrote this, cut the crap, fuckface.

mec_red_army <mec_red_army@yahoo.com> wrote:

STATEMENT FROM RED ARMY

Today we the RED ARMY are supporters without a club and are called todefend our beloved history of Manchester United from Glazer and hisassociates. Our grief has turned to anger, and our anger has to bereleased. Whether we bring our enemies to justice, or bring justiceto our enemies, justice will be done.

On May 12, 2005, enemies of Red Army committed an act of war againstus. The Glazer Family have known wars of soughts -- but for the past2 years, they have been wars of words and peaceful protests, exceptfor the one that has now begun. The Glazer family have known thecasualties of war, (Tampa Bay Season Ticket Holders). Here in UnitedKingdom we will not allow the hated Leprechaun to have a peacefulday, while him, his family and associates conduct their greedybusiness in our home of Old Trafford, a great stadium that has beenerected to house our following and built with our money and support.In the world of business never before have thousands of civiliansconducted revenge on a single business and lost. All of this wasbrought upon us in a single day, and night fell on a different world,a world where our club itself is no longer our own club, ManchesterUnited is temporary no longer. Until the day we have our Clubreturned to us it shall be known as Glazer United.Malcolm Glazer is to United fans what Adolph Hitler was to Europe.The darkest of shadows now cast over Old Trafford, the once richestclub in the world, a club of winning championships and seekingsuccess now banished to HELL with Satan at the helm. His goal is toreap as much income as possible, regardless of where and how it issought.Today the RED ARMY make the following requirements of the Glazerfamily: Deliver our club back to us, reinstate all that was before.Release all your shares back to the market. Protect yourself andyour family as well as your associates and workers. Closeimmediately all ties with Manchester United and permanently stay awayfrom Manchester United and all of its business. If you are willingto abide with our terms, then every employee at Old Trafford and theCarrington training camp will remain unharmed. In the meantime untilour requirements are met, it has been considered that all youremployees and their families are now our enemies. Any person, group,trust, organisation, business, sponsor or affiliate who in theirsupport or structure, have to appropriate any business with you onthe day to day running of Glazer United are now deemed enemies of theRED ARMY.These requirements are not open to negotiation or discussion. TheGlazer family must act, and act immediately. They will hand back ourManchester United, or they will share in their fate.

We also want to speak today directly to all Manchester UnitedSupporters throughout the world. We welcome and respect your supportfrom all the millions of RED ARMY followers, and by thousands more incountries that have supported Manchester United via television thatwe count as friends. We already have the support of our followingfrom Norway, Arabia, South Africa to China, and Australia toArgentina. Our support has been good and peaceful, and for those whocommit to our cause, to execute the removal of the evil Glazer familyfrom Manchester are welcome to unleash their frustations and venttheir anger for the Cause. The Irish duo of Magnus and Mangier aretraitors to our faith, once trying to hijack United themselves, thento commit deceit, so treacherous an act that they have committed andis therefore deemed punishable. As for all others who sold out toGlazer you have made yourself a target for punishment. All of yourdaily interests and social activities are now under scrutiny and aremarked to be attacked as you are now our enemy. We shall leave nostone unturned until these traitors are left to burn in Hell.

The RED ARMY would like to make it clear; it is NOT our many Americanfriends, which have become our enemy. For we have widespread supportthroughout America in our war on Glazer. Our enemy is the radicalnetwork of Glazer and his associates, and every organisation that hasassisted him in acquiring our club.Our war on Glazer begins today, but it does not end overnight. Itwill not end until every piece of acquisition of Manchester United ishanded back to the RED ARMY and Glazer defeated.

People are asking, why do we hate him? We hate what we see righthere as a capitalist venture for an individual that will ruin theEnglish game of football not only for Manchester United but forsmaller clubs in the lower leagues. Their leaders are self-appointedand not democratically elected, not allowing any input or a voicefrom the supporters The Glazer family hate the freedom of speech,you only have to ask the Season Ticket Holders of Tampa BayBuccaneers. Malcolm Glazer took them to court and sued them. Canyou imagine a European football club taking its own fan base tocourt? Our religion of United, our freedom of speech, our right toassemble and disagree with the board of directors is banished foreveruntil we rid Manchester United of the Glazer family.

People are asking: How will we fight and win this war? We willdirect every resource at our command, every means of diplomacy, andevery tool of intelligence, every instrument of law, every financialinfluence, and every necessary weapon of war, to the disruption andto the defeat of the Glazer network.This war will not be like the war of words and protest that havetaken place in the past. We also believe it will not be a swiftconclusion. In Manchester, the uprising has begun. This will moveto Cardiff and other major cities in England; we will take this warto the capital cities of Europe. Glazer is counting on a majorfinancial income from European sources which will be one of our mainobjectives. We are willing to allow Glazer United to be removed fromChampions League football. Once this objective is successful,sponsorships will begin to dry and wither. All current sponsors,NIKE, Vodafone, Budweiser, Ladbrokes, Endsleigh Insurance, DimensionData, PEPSI, Wilkinson Sword, AUDI, Fuji Film, and Century Radio arenow legitimate targets of the RED ARMY. Let this be a warning to anyother potential sponsor for Glazer United. Any person promoting orprofiting from Glazer United will also be deemed the enemy and leavethemselves open to attack. There will also include impromptu raidson people entering Old Trafford to support Glazer United. Theseraids though will only serve as a re education so that these peopleare aware of the RED ARMY cause. Other legitimate targets includeall staff and employees and their families of Old Trafford, suppliersand their employees and families. This will also include any mediaentering Old Trafford.

IF YOU WANT TO STAY IN GOOD HEALTH, DO NOT BE ASSOCIATED, CONNECTEDOR WORK FOR GLAZER UNITED.

Our response involves far more than instant retaliation and isolatedstrikes. Glazer United should not expect one battle, but a lengthycampaign, unlike any other that has been known in the world ofsport. It may include dramatic strikes, visible on TV, and covertoperations, secret even in success. We will starve Glazer offunding, turn them one against another, drive them from Old Traffordback to Florida, until there is no refuge. In addition, we willpursue associates of Glazer and those that sold us down the riverthat provided a path for Glazer to enter Manchester. Everysupporter, in every region, in every nation around the World now hasa decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with theGlazer. From this day forward, any person or business thatcontinues to support Glazer United will be regarded by the RED ARMYas a hostile.

Our followers have been put on notice: That we are not immune fromattack. We will take defensive measures against Glazer to protectour following. Today, 374 members of the MEC-RED ARMY have agreed inprincipal to the agreement to take up their stance and begin thewar. These efforts are being coordinated at the highest level. Aswell as individual level as to confuse the authorities as much aspossible.These measures are essential. But the only way to defeat Glazer as athreat to our history and future of Manchester United is to stop him,eliminate him, and destroy him while he has a grip on ManchesterUnited.

What is at stake is not just Manchester United's future. The wholefuture of the English football is at risk. This is civilization'sfight against a greedy man, he is not entering Manchester as a herosaving a club from extinction; he cannot do what Manchester Unitedwas not doing already. He can only be here for one reason and thatis to destroy the good name of English football. Does this man thinkthat this is the best way to import soccer into America? He is sowrong; the American culture does not accept our game of football on ascale in comparison to their own sports of baseball and such likes.

We ask every football fan to join us. We will ask, and we will need,the help of the real united fans from across the world. The RED ARMYis grateful that many of you here in the UK and many internationallyorganised have already responded, with sympathy and with support.With the conductance to not purchasing the merchandise associatedwith Glazer United or other products of these companies, Glazer shallfeel the financial pressure, and we estimate that the indicators willshow this by January 2006.

Supporters are asking: What is expected of us? We only ask that youlive your lives, and be ready to fight. We know many supporters havefears today, and we ask you to be calm and resolute, even in the faceof a continuing menace of Malcolm Glazer. We ask you to uphold thevalues of the true and historical United fan, and remember why somany have been to Old Trafford in our glorious history. We are in afight for our principles, and our first responsibility is to live bythem. Only our enemies should be singled out for unfair treatment orunkind words because of their unethical business dealing with theGlazer family and the background to this takeover. Companies andemployees such as J P Morgan, N M Rothschild, to name a few areall legitimate targets. We will not forget this wound to our clubor those who inflicted it. We will not yield; we will not rest; wewill not relent in waging this struggle for freedom and security forthe RED ARMY to return home to a Glazer free Old Trafford.

It is our hope that in the months, years ahead, that life will returnto normal. When our own VE Day arrives we will go back to our homeof Old Trafford and our Saturday routines, and that is good. Evengrief recedes with time and grace. But our resolve must not pass.Each of us will remember what happened that day the 12th May, and towhom it happened. We'll remember the moment the news came, where wewere and what we were doing. Some will remember an image of fire, orof news that felt like death. Some will carry memories of a game anda roaring voice gone forever.

Today we thank our fellow RED ARMY followers for what you havealready done and for what you will do. To the ladies and gentlemenof the formerly Manchester United, we thank you, for yourrepresentations and information that has put us in good stead for ourWar with Glazer UnitedThe course of this conflict is not known, yet its outcome iscertain. For freedom and fear, justice and cruelty, have always beenat war, and we know that God is not neutral between them.

And, finally, please continue praying that one day soon Glazer andhis family will leave Manchester and our great country. Prayer hascomforted us in sorrow, and will help strengthen us for the journeyahead.

hey deck ................... I AM AND I WiLL BE A MANCHESTER UNITED TILL ILIVE.

till then...........

vichar hari

Preston Adams <preston_adams101@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Oh hey, hi Donovan,

Back after a long time, did you really go to Florida? Hey mate, I wascounting on you to appear in Oregon News, alas! I guess you didnt use theaddress that I had posted it seems :)

Anyways, coming to this vichar dude, seriously he needs to be a lot morecircumspect before posting crap here. But yeah, I guess he's just anotherlurker, but you know Donovan, if we keep replying to his shit it will belike giving the guy attention, so lets just ignore him ok?

Today we the RED ARMY are supporters without a club and are called todefend our beloved history of Manchester United from Glazer and hisassociates. Our grief has turned to anger, and our anger has to bereleased. Whether we bring our enemies to justice, or bring justiceto our enemies, justice will be done.

On May 12, 2005, enemies of Red Army committed an act of war againstus. The Glazer Family have known wars of soughts -- but for the past2 years, they have been wars of words and peaceful protests, exceptfor the one that has now begun. The Glazer family have known thecasualties of war, (Tampa Bay Season Ticket Holders). Here in UnitedKingdom we will not allow the hated Leprechaun to have a peacefulday, while him, his family and associates conduct their greedybusiness in our home of Old Trafford, a great stadium that has beenerected to house our following and built with our money and support.In the world of business never before have thousands of civiliansconducted revenge on a single business and lost. All of this wasbrought upon us in a single day, and night fell on a different world,a world where our club itself is no longer our own club, ManchesterUnited is temporary no longer. Until the day we have our Clubreturned to us it shall be known as Glazer United.Malcolm Glazer is to United fans what Adolph Hitler was to Europe.The darkest of shadows now cast over Old Trafford, the once richestclub in the world, a club of winning championships and seekingsuccess now banished to HELL with Satan at the helm. His goal is toreap as much income as possible, regardless of where and how it issought.Today the RED ARMY make the following requirements of the Glazerfamily: Deliver our club back to us, reinstate all that was before.Release all your shares back to the market. Protect yourself andyour family as well as your associates and workers. Closeimmediately all ties with Manchester United and permanently stay awayfrom Manchester United and all of its business. If you are willingto abide with our terms, then every employee at Old Trafford and theCarrington training camp will remain unharmed. In the meantime untilour requirements are met, it has been considered that all youremployees and their families are now our enemies. Any person, group,trust, organisation, business, sponsor or affiliate who in theirsupport or structure, have to appropriate any business with you onthe day to day running of Glazer United are now deemed enemies of theRED ARMY.These requirements are not open to negotiation or discussion. TheGlazer family must act, and act immediately. They will hand back ourManchester United, or they will share in their fate.

We also want to speak today directly to all Manchester UnitedSupporters throughout the world. We welcome and respect your supportfrom all the millions of RED ARMY followers, and by thousands more incountries that have supported Manchester United via television thatwe count as friends. We already have the support of our followingfrom Norway, Arabia, South Africa to China, and Australia toArgentina. Our support has been good and peaceful, and for those whocommit to our cause, to execute the removal of the evil Glazer familyfrom Manchester are welcome to unleash their frustations and venttheir anger for the Cause. The Irish duo of Magnus and Mangier aretraitors to our faith, once trying to hijack United themselves, thento commit deceit, so treacherous an act that they have committed andis therefore deemed punishable. As for all others who sold out toGlazer you have made yourself a target for punishment. All of yourdaily interests and social activities are now under scrutiny and aremarked to be attacked as you are now our enemy. We shall leave nostone unturned until these traitors are left to burn in Hell.

The RED ARMY would like to make it clear; it is NOT our many Americanfriends, which have become our enemy. For we have widespread supportthroughout America in our war on Glazer. Our enemy is the radicalnetwork of Glazer and his associates, and every organisation that hasassisted him in acquiring our club.Our war on Glazer begins today, but it does not end overnight. Itwill not end until every piece of acquisition of Manchester United ishanded back to the RED ARMY and Glazer defeated.

People are asking, why do we hate him? We hate what we see righthere as a capitalist venture for an individual that will ruin theEnglish game of football not only for Manchester United but forsmaller clubs in the lower leagues. Their leaders are self-appointedand not democratically elected, not allowing any input or a voicefrom the supporters The Glazer family hate the freedom of speech,you only have to ask the Season Ticket Holders of Tampa BayBuccaneers. Malcolm Glazer took them to court and sued them. Canyou imagine a European football club taking its own fan base tocourt? Our religion of United, our freedom of speech, our right toassemble and disagree with the board of directors is banished foreveruntil we rid Manchester United of the Glazer family.

People are asking: How will we fight and win this war? We willdirect every resource at our command, every means of diplomacy, andevery tool of intelligence, every instrument of law, every financialinfluence, and every necessary weapon of war, to the disruption andto the defeat of the Glazer network.This war will not be like the war of words and protest that havetaken place in the past. We also believe it will not be a swiftconclusion. In Manchester, the uprising has begun. This will moveto Cardiff and other major cities in England; we will take this warto the capital cities of Europe. Glazer is counting on a majorfinancial income from European sources which will be one of our mainobjectives. We are willing to allow Glazer United to be removed fromChampions League football. Once this objective is successful,sponsorships will begin to dry and wither. All current sponsors,NIKE, Vodafone, Budweiser, Ladbrokes, Endsleigh Insurance, DimensionData, PEPSI, Wilkinson Sword, AUDI, Fuji Film, and Century Radio arenow legitimate targets of the RED ARMY. Let this be a warning to anyother potential sponsor for Glazer United. Any person promoting orprofiting from Glazer United will also be deemed the enemy and leavethemselves open to attack. There will also include impromptu raidson people entering Old Trafford to support Glazer United. Theseraids though will only serve as a re education so that these peopleare aware of the RED ARMY cause. Other legitimate targets includeall staff and employees and their families of Old Trafford, suppliersand their employees and families. This will also include any mediaentering Old Trafford.

IF YOU WANT TO STAY IN GOOD HEALTH, DO NOT BE ASSOCIATED, CONNECTEDOR WORK FOR GLAZER UNITED.

Our response involves far more than instant retaliation and isolatedstrikes. Glazer United should not expect one battle, but a lengthycampaign, unlike any other that has been known in the world ofsport. It may include dramatic strikes, visible on TV, and covertoperations, secret even in success. We will starve Glazer offunding, turn them one against another, drive them from Old Traffordback to Florida, until there is no refuge. In addition, we willpursue associates of Glazer and those that sold us down the riverthat provided a path for Glazer to enter Manchester. Everysupporter, in every region, in every nation around the World now hasa decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with theGlazer. From this day forward, any person or business thatcontinues to support Glazer United will be regarded by the RED ARMYas a hostile.

Our followers have been put on notice: That we are not immune fromattack. We will take defensive measures against Glazer to protectour following. Today, 374 members of the MEC-RED ARMY have agreed inprincipal to the agreement to take up their stance and begin thewar. These efforts are being coordinated at the highest level. Aswell as individual level as to confuse the authorities as much aspossible.These measures are essential. But the only way to defeat Glazer as athreat to our history and future of Manchester United is to stop him,eliminate him, and destroy him while he has a grip on ManchesterUnited.

What is at stake is not just Manchester United's future. The wholefuture of the English football is at risk. This is civilization'sfight against a greedy man, he is not entering Manchester as a herosaving a club from extinction; he cannot do what Manchester Unitedwas not doing already. He can only be here for one reason and thatis to destroy the good name of English football. Does this man thinkthat this is the best way to import soccer into America? He is sowrong; the American culture does not accept our game of football on ascale in comparison to their own sports of baseball and such likes.

We ask every football fan to join us. We will ask, and we will need,the help of the real united fans from across the world. The RED ARMYis grateful that many of you here in the UK and many internationallyorganised have already responded, with sympathy and with support.With the conductance to not purchasing the merchandise associatedwith Glazer United or other products of these companies, Glazer shallfeel the financial pressure, and we estimate that the indicators willshow this by January 2006.

Supporters are asking: What is expected of us? We only ask that youlive your lives, and be ready to fight. We know many supporters havefears today, and we ask you to be calm and resolute, even in the faceof a continuing menace of Malcolm Glazer. We ask you to uphold thevalues of the true and historical United fan, and remember why somany have been to Old Trafford in our glorious history. We are in afight for our principles, and our first responsibility is to live bythem. Only our enemies should be singled out for unfair treatment orunkind words because of their unethical business dealing with theGlazer family and the background to this takeover. Companies andemployees such as J P Morgan, N M Rothschild, to name a few areall legitimate targets. We will not forget this wound to our clubor those who inflicted it. We will not yield; we will not rest; wewill not relent in waging this struggle for freedom and security forthe RED ARMY to return home to a Glazer free Old Trafford.

It is our hope that in the months, years ahead, that life will returnto normal. When our own VE Day arrives we will go back to our homeof Old Trafford and our Saturday routines, and that is good. Evengrief recedes with time and grace. But our resolve must not pass.Each of us will remember what happened that day the 12th May, and towhom it happened. We'll remember the moment the news came, where wewere and what we were doing. Some will remember an image of fire, orof news that felt like death. Some will carry memories of a game anda roaring voice gone forever.

Today we thank our fellow RED ARMY followers for what you havealready done and for what you will do. To the ladies and gentlemenof the formerly Manchester United, we thank you, for yourrepresentations and information that has put us in good stead for ourWar with Glazer UnitedThe course of this conflict is not known, yet its outcome iscertain. For freedom and fear, justice and cruelty, have always beenat war, and we know that God is not neutral between them.

And, finally, please continue praying that one day soon Glazer andhis family will leave Manchester and our great country. Prayer hascomforted us in sorrow, and will help strengthen us for the journeyahead.

n who do u think glazer will be more interested in... may be arockstar...he can be sold in the US...or may be he'll bring jackie chan towin over asian audience thinking that he's more popular than anyfootballers...or yeah he may bring in any nfl or nba player...God knowsglazer with a zilch knowledge about football can really give such idioticideas..

ciao..curtz.. born devil 'o'

P.S. - Glazer wants beckham back...pray that he does not spend the wholetransfer money allocated on beckham...coz real definitely wont let him goeasily...coz perez like glazer only cares about money....

> hey guys.......>> i think its over ........glazer issue can be put to rest n i think the> time has come to think abt the future................. the new signins> .......transfer.n........ loads of stuff...........>> till then.........>> vichar hari>> P.S " TILL I LIVE " just came out of mind n its not going to be a> cliche........>> Preston Adams <preston_adams101@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:> "TILL I LIVE"???> wow, we found a new cliche!!!:)> Normally its "TILL I DIE"> but who's gonna argue with this dude, easier to shoot shakespeare thn> argue with this guy. - Tejas>> vichar hari <vichie_87@yahoo.co.in> wrote:> yeah yeah .......... i know .u can ignore me............but not my> spirit .................>> hey deck ................... I AM AND I WiLL BE A MANCHESTER UNITED TILL> I LIVE.>> till then...........>> vichar hari>> Preston Adams <preston_adams101@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:> Oh hey, hi Donovan,> Back after a long time, did you really go to Florida? Hey mate, I was> counting on you to appear in Oregon News, alas! I guess you didnt use> the address that I had posted it seems :) Anyways, coming to this vichar> dude, seriously he needs to be a lot more circumspect before posting> crap here. But yeah, I guess he's just another lurker, but you know> Donovan, if we keep replying to his shit it will be like giving the guy> attention, so lets just ignore him ok? - PA>> Dekock Donovan <Donovan.Dekock@process.glta.co.za> wrote:> v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}w\:*> {behavior:url(#default#VML);}.shape> {behavior:url(#default#VML);}st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } The> only waste of time here is me reading your pathetic posts !>>>> U are not a United fan ,. . . so what the hell are you doing here !>>>>>> --------------------------------->>> From: vichar hari [mailto:vichie_87@yahoo.co.in]> Sent: 15 May 2005 04:33 PM> To: Manchester_United_2004@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [Manchester_United_2004] WAR DECLARED ON GLAZER-MEC, RED> ARMY STATEMENT>>>>> cha cha ............>>>>>> a real waste of time typing this note..............>>>>>> till then ................>>>>>> vichar hari>>>>> mec_red_army <mec_red_army@yahoo.com> wrote:>>> STATEMENT FROM RED ARMY>> Today we the RED ARMY are supporters without a club and are called to> defend our beloved history of Manchester United from Glazer and his> associates. Our grief has turned to anger, and our anger has to be> released. Whether we bring our enemies to justice, or bring justice to> our enemies, justice will be done.>> On May 12, 2005, enemies of Red Army committed an act of war against us.> The Glazer Family have known wars of soughts -- but for the past 2> years, they have been wars of words and peaceful protests, except for> the one that has now begun. The Glazer family have known the> casualties of war, (Tampa Bay Season Ticket Holders). Here in United> Kingdom we will not allow the hated Leprechaun to have a peaceful> day, while him, his family and associates conduct their greedy> business in our home of Old Trafford, a great stadium that has been> erected to house our following and built with our money and support. In> the world of business never before have thousands of civilians> conducted revenge on a single business and lost. All of this was> brought upon us in a single day, and night fell on a different world, a> world where our club itself is no longer our own club, Manchester United> is temporary no longer. Until the day we have our Club> returned to us it shall be known as Glazer United> .> Malcolm Glazer is to United fans what Adolph Hitler was to Europe. The> darkest of shadows now cast over Old Trafford, the once richest club in> the world, a club of winning championships and seeking> success now banished to HELL with Satan at the helm. His goal is to reap> as much income as possible, regardless of where and how it is sought.> Today the RED ARMY make the following requirements of the Glazer> family: Deliver our club back to us, reinstate all that was before.> Release all your shares back to the market. Protect yourself and> your family as well as your associates and workers. Close> immediately all ties with Manchester United and permanently stay away> from Manchester United and all of its business. If you are willing to> abide with our terms, then every employee at Old Trafford and the> Carrington training camp will remain unharmed. In the meantime until our> requirements are met, it has been considered that all your> employees and their families are now our enemies. Any person, group,> trust, organisation, business, sponsor or affiliate who in their> support or structure, have to appropriate any business with you on the> day to day running of Glazer United are now deemed enemies of the RED> ARMY.> These requirements are not open to negotiation or discussion. The> Glazer family must act, and act immediately. They will hand back our> Manchester United, or they will share in their fate.>> We also want to speak today directly to all Manchester United> Supporters throughout the world. We welcome and respect your support> from all the millions of RED ARMY followers, and by thousands more in> countries that have supported Manchester United via television that we> count as friends. We already have the support of our following> from Norway, Arabia, South Africa to China, and Australia to> Argentina. Our support has been good and peaceful, and for those who> commit to our cause, to execute the removal of the evil Glazer family> from Manchester are welcome to unleash their frustations and vent> their anger for the Cause. The Irish duo of Magnus and Mangier are> traitors to our faith, once trying to hijack United themselves, then to> commit deceit, so treacherous an act that they have committed and is> therefore deemed punishable. As for all others who sold out to> Glazer you have made yourself a target for punishment. All of your daily> interests and social activities are now under scrutiny and are marked to> be attacked as you are now our enemy. We shall leave no> stone unturned until these traitors are left to burn in Hell.>> The RED ARMY would like to make it clear; it is NOT our many American> friends, which have become our enemy. For we have widespread support> throughout America in our war on Glazer. Our enemy is the radical> network of Glazer and his associates, and every organisation that has> assisted him in acquiring our club.> Our war on Glazer begins today, but it does not end overnight. It> will not end until every piece of acquisition of Manchester United is> handed back to the RED ARMY and Glazer defeated.>> People are asking, why do we hate him? We hate what we see right> here as a capitalist venture for an individual that will ruin the> English game of football not only for Manchester United but for> smaller clubs in the lower leagues. Their leaders are self-appointed and> not democratically elected, not allowing any input or a voice> from the supporters The Glazer family hate the freedom of speech,> you only have to ask the Season Ticket Holders of Tampa Bay> Buccaneers. Malcolm Glazer took them to court and sued them. Can> you imagine a European football club taking its own fan base to> court? Our religion of United, our freedom of speech, our right to> assemble and disagree with the board of directors is banished forever> until we rid Manchester United of the Glazer family.>> People are asking: How will we fight and win this war? We will> direct every resource at our command, every means of diplomacy, and> every tool of intelligence, every instrument of law, every financial> influence, and every necessary weapon of war, to the disruption and to> the defeat of the Glazer network.> This war will not be like the war of words and protest that have> taken place in the past. We also believe it will not be a swift> conclusion. In Manchester, the uprising has begun. This will move> to Cardiff and other major cities in England; we will take this war to> the capital cities of Europe. Glazer is counting on a major> financial income from European sources which will be one of our main> objectives. We are willing to allow Glazer United to be removed from> Champions League football. Once this objective is successful,> sponsorships will begin to dry and wither. All current sponsors,> NIKE, Vodafone, Budweiser, Ladbrokes, Endsleigh Insurance, Dimension> Data, PEPSI, Wilkinson Sword, AUDI, Fuji Film, and Century Radio are now> legitimate targets of the RED ARMY. Let this be a warning to any other> potential sponsor for Glazer United. Any person promoting or profiting> from Glazer United will also be deemed the enemy and leave themselves> open to attack. There will also include impromptu raids on people> entering Old Trafford to support Glazer United. These> raids though will only serve as a re education so that these people are> aware of the RED ARMY cause. Other legitimate targets include> all staff and employees and their families of Old Trafford, suppliers> and their employees and families. This will also include any media> entering Old Trafford.>> IF YOU WANT TO STAY IN GOOD HEALTH, DO NOT BE ASSOCIATED, CONNECTED OR> WORK FOR GLAZER UNITED.>> Our response involves far more than instant retaliation and isolated> strikes. Glazer United should not expect one battle, but a lengthy> campaign, unlike any other that has been known in the world of> sport. It may include dramatic strikes, visible on TV, and covert> operations, secret even in success. We will starve Glazer of> funding, turn them one against another, drive them from Old Trafford> back to Florida, until there is no refuge. In addition, we will> pursue associates of Glazer and those that sold us down the river> that provided a path for Glazer to enter Manchester. Every> supporter, in every region, in every nation around the World now has a> decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the> Glazer. From this day forward, any person or business that> continues to support Glazer United will be regarded by the RED ARMY as a> hostile.>> Our followers have been put on notice: That we are not immune from> attack. We will take defensive measures against Glazer to protect> our following. Today, 374 members of the MEC-RED ARMY have agreed in> principal to the agreement to take up their stance and begin the> war. These efforts are being coordinated at the highest level. As> well as individual level as to confuse the authorities as much as> possible.> These measures are essential. But the only way to defeat Glazer as a> threat to our history and future of Manchester United is to stop him,> eliminate him, and destroy him while he has a grip on Manchester> United.>> What is at stake is not just Manchester United's future. The whole> future of the English football is at risk. This is civilization's> fight against a greedy man, he is not entering Manchester as a hero> saving a club from extinction; he cannot do what Manchester United was> not doing already. He can only be here for one reason and that is to> destroy the good name of English football. Does this man think that this> is the best way to import soccer into America? He is so> wrong; the American culture does not accept our game of football on a> scale in comparison to their own sports of baseball and such likes.>> We ask every football fan to join us. We will ask, and we will need, the> help of the real united fans from across the world. The RED ARMY is> grateful that many of you here in the UK and many internationally> organised have already responded, with sympathy and with support.> With the conductance to not purchasing the merchandise associated> with Glazer United or other products of these companies, Glazer shall> feel the financial pressure, and we estimate that the indicators will> show this by January 2006.>> Supporters are asking: What is expected of us? We only ask that you live> your lives, and be ready to fight. We know many supporters have fears> today, and we ask you to be calm and resolute, even in the face of a> continuing menace of Malcolm Glazer. We ask you to uphold the values of> the true and historical United fan, and remember why so> many have been to Old Trafford in our glorious history. We are in a> fight for our principles, and our first responsibility is to live by> them. Only our enemies should be singled out for unfair treatment or> unkind words because of their unethical business dealing with the> Glazer family and the background to this takeover. Companies and> employees such as J P Morgan, N M Rothschild, to name a few are> all legitimate targets. We will not forget this wound to our club> or those who inflicted it. We will not yield; we will not rest; we will> not relent in waging this struggle for freedom and security for the RED> ARMY to return home to a Glazer free Old Trafford.>> It is our hope that in the months, years ahead, that life will return to> normal. When our own VE Day arrives we will go back to our home of Old> Trafford and our Saturday routines, and that is good. Even> grief recedes with time and grace. But our resolve must not pass.> Each of us will remember what happened that day the 12th May, and to> whom it happened. We'll remember the moment the news came, where we were> and what we were doing. Some will remember an image of fire, or of news> that felt like death. Some will carry memories of a game and a roaring> voice gone forever.>> Today we thank our fellow RED ARMY followers for what you have> already done and for what you will do. To the ladies and gentlemen of> the formerly Manchester United, we thank you, for your> representations and information that has put us in good stead for our> War with Glazer United> The course of this conflict is not known, yet its outcome is> certain. For freedom and fear, justice and cruelty, have always been at> war, and we know that God is not neutral between them.>> And, finally, please continue praying that one day soon Glazer and his> family will leave Manchester and our great country. Prayer has comforted> us in sorrow, and will help strengthen us for the journey ahead.>> Remember this; the Flower of Manchester belongs in our hearts not in the> bank account of Malcolm Glazer.>>>>>>> Join the army! Travel the world, Meet interesting people, and kill them>>>> Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partner online.>>>> ---------------------------------> How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for> FREE with Yahoo! Photos. Get Yahoo! Photos>> Join the army! Travel the world, Meet interesting people, and kill them>>> Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partner online.>>> ---------------------------------> How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for> FREE with Yahoo! Photos. Get Yahoo! Photos>> ---------------------------------> Yahoo! Groups Links>> To visit your group on the web, go to:> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Manchester_United_2004/>> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:> Manchester_United_2004-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.>>>> Join the army! Travel the world, Meet interesting people, and kill them>>> Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partneronline.

yeah glazer wants him back..he has already discussed the matter with SirAlex...who has said he has no problems if beckham comes back..even bechkamis reported to be happy hearing this....abt glazer he thinks..bechkam willbe his road towards earning more money (wut else does the fuckface thinkapart from money)....so glazer might even pitch in unreasonable amount forbeckham..coz perez has said he wont let go beckham off cheaply...

also there was a report in some forums that u might also see figo inunited..coz real does not want him..n glazer that idiot may think..figobeing a big brand will be a good signing...also some young U.S players mayalso land up in united...but that's a slim chance...

ciao..curtz.. born devil 'o'

> Oh god . . . . beckham back . . . we will be deader than dead !>>> -----Original Message-----> From: saikatbose06@imi.edu [mailto:saikatbose06@imi.edu]> Sent: 18 May 2005 03:08 PM> To: Manchester_United_2004@yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [Manchester_United_2004] WAR DECLARED ON GLAZER-MEC, RED> ARMY STATEMENT>> n who do u think glazer will be more interested in... may be a> rockstar...he can be sold in the US...or may be he'll bring jackie chan> to win over asian audience thinking that he's more popular than any> footballers...or yeah he may bring in any nfl or nba player...God knows> glazer with a zilch knowledge about football can really give such> idiotic ideas..>> ciao..> curtz.. born devil 'o'>> P.S. - Glazer wants beckham back...pray that he does not spend the whole> transfer money allocated on beckham...coz real definitely wont let him> go easily...coz perez like glazer only cares about money....>>>> hey guys.......>>>> i think its over ........glazer issue can be put to rest n i think the>> time has come to think abt the future................. the new signins>> .......transfer.n........ loads of stuff...........>>>> till then.........>>>> vichar hari>>>> P.S " TILL I LIVE " just came out of mind n its not going to be a>> cliche........>>>> Preston Adams <preston_adams101@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:>> "TILL I LIVE"???>> wow, we found a new cliche!!!:)>> Normally its "TILL I DIE">> but who's gonna argue with this dude, easier to shoot shakespeare thn>> argue with this guy. - Tejas>>>> vichar hari <vichie_87@yahoo.co.in> wrote:>> yeah yeah .......... i know .u can ignore me............but not my>> spirit .................>>>> hey deck ................... I AM AND I WiLL BE A MANCHESTER UNITED>> TILL I LIVE.>>>> till then...........>>>> vichar hari>>>> Preston Adams <preston_adams101@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:>> Oh hey, hi Donovan,>> Back after a long time, did you really go to Florida? Hey mate, I was>> counting on you to appear in Oregon News, alas! I guess you didnt use>> the address that I had posted it seems :) Anyways, coming to this>> vichar dude, seriously he needs to be a lot more circumspect before>> posting crap here. But yeah, I guess he's just another lurker, but you>> know Donovan, if we keep replying to his shit it will be like giving>> the guy attention, so lets just ignore him ok? - PA>>>> Dekock Donovan <Donovan.Dekock@process.glta.co.za> wrote:>> v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}o\:*>> {behavior:url(#default#VML);}w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}.shape>> {behavior:url(#default#VML);}st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }>> The only waste of time here is me reading your pathetic posts !>>>>>>>> U are not a United fan ,. . . so what the hell are you doing here !>>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------->>>>>> From: vichar hari [mailto:vichie_87@yahoo.co.in]>> Sent: 15 May 2005 04:33 PM>> To: Manchester_United_2004@yahoogroups.com>> Subject: Re: [Manchester_United_2004] WAR DECLARED ON GLAZER-MEC, RED>> ARMY STATEMENT>>>>>>>>>> cha cha ............>>>>>>>>>>>> a real waste of time typing this note..............>>>>>>>>>>>> till then ................>>>>>>>>>>>> vichar hari>>>>>>>>>> mec_red_army <mec_red_army@yahoo.com> wrote:>>>>>> STATEMENT FROM RED ARMY>>>> Today we the RED ARMY are supporters without a club and are called to>> defend our beloved history of Manchester United from Glazer and his>> associates. Our grief has turned to anger, and our anger has to be>> released. Whether we bring our enemies to justice, or bring justice to>> our enemies, justice will be done.>>>> On May 12, 2005, enemies of Red Army committed an act of war against>> us. The Glazer Family have known wars of soughts -- but for the past 2>> years, they have been wars of words and peaceful protests, except for>> the one that has now begun. The Glazer family have known the>> casualties of war, (Tampa Bay Season Ticket Holders). Here in United>> Kingdom we will not allow the hated Leprechaun to have a peaceful day,>> while him, his family and associates conduct their greedy>> business in our home of Old Trafford, a great stadium that has been>> erected to house our following and built with our money and support.>> In the world of business never before have thousands of civilians>> conducted revenge on a single business and lost. All of this was>> brought upon us in a single day, and night fell on a different world,>> a world where our club itself is no longer our own club, Manchester>> United is temporary no longer. Until the day we have our Club>> returned to us it shall be known as Glazer United>> .>> Malcolm Glazer is to United fans what Adolph Hitler was to Europe. The>> darkest of shadows now cast over Old Trafford, the once richest club>> in the world, a club of winning championships and seeking>> success now banished to HELL with Satan at the helm. His goal is to>> reap as much income as possible, regardless of where and how it is>> sought. Today the RED ARMY make the following requirements of the>> Glazer family: Deliver our club back to us, reinstate all that was>> before. Release all your shares back to the market. Protect yourself>> and your family as well as your associates and workers. Close>> immediately all ties with Manchester United and permanently stay away>> from Manchester United and all of its business. If you are willing to>> abide with our terms, then every employee at Old Trafford and the>> Carrington training camp will remain unharmed. In the meantime until>> our requirements are met, it has been considered that all your>> employees and their families are now our enemies. Any person, group,>> trust, organisation, business, sponsor or affiliate who in their>> support or structure, have to appropriate any business with you on the>> day to day running of Glazer United are now deemed enemies of the RED>> ARMY.>> These requirements are not open to negotiation or discussion. The>> Glazer family must act, and act immediately. They will hand back our>> Manchester United, or they will share in their fate.>>>> We also want to speak today directly to all Manchester United>> Supporters throughout the world. We welcome and respect your support>> from all the millions of RED ARMY followers, and by thousands more in>> countries that have supported Manchester United via television that we>> count as friends. We already have the support of our following>> from Norway, Arabia, South Africa to China, and Australia to>> Argentina. Our support has been good and peaceful, and for those who>> commit to our cause, to execute the removal of the evil Glazer family>> from Manchester are welcome to unleash their frustations and vent>> their anger for the Cause. The Irish duo of Magnus and Mangier are>> traitors to our faith, once trying to hijack United themselves, then>> to commit deceit, so treacherous an act that they have committed and>> is therefore deemed punishable. As for all others who sold out to>> Glazer you have made yourself a target for punishment. All of your>> daily interests and social activities are now under scrutiny and are>> marked to be attacked as you are now our enemy. We shall leave no>> stone unturned until these traitors are left to burn in Hell.>>>> The RED ARMY would like to make it clear; it is NOT our many American>> friends, which have become our enemy. For we have widespread support>> throughout America in our war on Glazer. Our enemy is the radical>> network of Glazer and his associates, and every organisation that has>> assisted him in acquiring our club.>> Our war on Glazer begins today, but it does not end overnight. It will>> not end until every piece of acquisition of Manchester United is>> handed back to the RED ARMY and Glazer defeated.>>>> People are asking, why do we hate him? We hate what we see right here>> as a capitalist venture for an individual that will ruin the English>> game of football not only for Manchester United but for>> smaller clubs in the lower leagues. Their leaders are self-appointed>> and not democratically elected, not allowing any input or a voice>> from the supporters The Glazer family hate the freedom of speech, you>> only have to ask the Season Ticket Holders of Tampa Bay>> Buccaneers. Malcolm Glazer took them to court and sued them. Can you>> imagine a European football club taking its own fan base to>> court? Our religion of United, our freedom of speech, our right to>> assemble and disagree with the board of directors is banished forever>> until we rid Manchester United of the Glazer family.>>>> People are asking: How will we fight and win this war? We will>> direct every resource at our command, every means of diplomacy, and>> every tool of intelligence, every instrument of law, every financial>> influence, and every necessary weapon of war, to the disruption and to>> the defeat of the Glazer network.>> This war will not be like the war of words and protest that have taken>> place in the past. We also believe it will not be a swift>> conclusion. In Manchester, the uprising has begun. This will move to>> Cardiff and other major cities in England; we will take this war to>> the capital cities of Europe. Glazer is counting on a major>> financial income from European sources which will be one of our main>> objectives. We are willing to allow Glazer United to be removed from>> Champions League football. Once this objective is successful,>> sponsorships will begin to dry and wither. All current sponsors, NIKE,>> Vodafone, Budweiser, Ladbrokes, Endsleigh Insurance, Dimension Data,>> PEPSI, Wilkinson Sword, AUDI, Fuji Film, and Century Radio are now>> legitimate targets of the RED ARMY. Let this be a warning to any other>> potential sponsor for Glazer United. Any person promoting or profiting>> from Glazer United will also be deemed the enemy and leave themselves>> open to attack. There will also include impromptu raids on people>> entering Old Trafford to support Glazer United. These>> raids though will only serve as a re education so that these people>> are aware of the RED ARMY cause. Other legitimate targets include>> all staff and employees and their families of Old Trafford, suppliers>> and their employees and families. This will also include any media>> entering Old Trafford.>>>> IF YOU WANT TO STAY IN GOOD HEALTH, DO NOT BE ASSOCIATED, CONNECTED OR>> WORK FOR GLAZER UNITED.>>>> Our response involves far more than instant retaliation and isolated>> strikes. Glazer United should not expect one battle, but a lengthy>> campaign, unlike any other that has been known in the world of>> sport. It may include dramatic strikes, visible on TV, and covert>> operations, secret even in success. We will starve Glazer of>> funding, turn them one against another, drive them from Old Trafford>> back to Florida, until there is no refuge. In addition, we will>> pursue associates of Glazer and those that sold us down the river that>> provided a path for Glazer to enter Manchester. Every>> supporter, in every region, in every nation around the World now has a>> decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the>> Glazer. From this day forward, any person or business that>> continues to support Glazer United will be regarded by the RED ARMY as>> a hostile.>>>> Our followers have been put on notice: That we are not immune from>> attack. We will take defensive measures against Glazer to protect our>> following. Today, 374 members of the MEC-RED ARMY have agreed in>> principal to the agreement to take up their stance and begin the war.>> These efforts are being coordinated at the highest level. As well as>> individual level as to confuse the authorities as much as possible.>> These measures are essential. But the only way to defeat Glazer as a>> threat to our history and future of Manchester United is to stop him,>> eliminate him, and destroy him while he has a grip on Manchester>> United.>>>> What is at stake is not just Manchester United's future. The whole>> future of the English football is at risk. This is civilization's>> fight against a greedy man, he is not entering Manchester as a hero>> saving a club from extinction; he cannot do what Manchester United was>> not doing already. He can only be here for one reason and that is to>> destroy the good name of English football. Does this man think that>> this is the best way to import soccer into America? He is so>> wrong; the American culture does not accept our game of football on a>> scale in comparison to their own sports of baseball and such likes.>>>> We ask every football fan to join us. We will ask, and we will need,>> the help of the real united fans from across the world. The RED ARMY>> is grateful that many of you here in the UK and many internationally>> organised have already responded, with sympathy and with support. With>> the conductance to not purchasing the merchandise associated with>> Glazer United or other products of these companies, Glazer shall feel>> the financial pressure, and we estimate that the indicators will show>> this by January 2006.>>>> Supporters are asking: What is expected of us? We only ask that you>> live your lives, and be ready to fight. We know many supporters have>> fears today, and we ask you to be calm and resolute, even in the face>> of a continuing menace of Malcolm Glazer. We ask you to uphold the>> values of the true and historical United fan, and remember why so>> many have been to Old Trafford in our glorious history. We are in a>> fight for our principles, and our first responsibility is to live by>> them. Only our enemies should be singled out for unfair treatment or>> unkind words because of their unethical business dealing with the>> Glazer family and the background to this takeover. Companies and>> employees such as J P Morgan, N M Rothschild, to name a few are>> all legitimate targets. We will not forget this wound to our club or>> those who inflicted it. We will not yield; we will not rest; we will>> not relent in waging this struggle for freedom and security for the>> RED ARMY to return home to a Glazer free Old Trafford.>>>> It is our hope that in the months, years ahead, that life will return>> to normal. When our own VE Day arrives we will go back to our home of>> Old Trafford and our Saturday routines, and that is good. Even>> grief recedes with time and grace. But our resolve must not pass. Each>> of us will remember what happened that day the 12th May, and to whom>> it happened. We'll remember the moment the news came, where we were>> and what we were doing. Some will remember an image of fire, or of>> news that felt like death. Some will carry memories of a game and a>> roaring voice gone forever.>>>> Today we thank our fellow RED ARMY followers for what you have>> already done and for what you will do. To the ladies and gentlemen of>> the formerly Manchester United, we thank you, for your>> representations and information that has put us in good stead for our>> War with Glazer United>> The course of this conflict is not known, yet its outcome is>> certain. For freedom and fear, justice and cruelty, have always been>> at war, and we know that God is not neutral between them.>>>> And, finally, please continue praying that one day soon Glazer and his>> family will leave Manchester and our great country. Prayer has>> comforted us in sorrow, and will help strengthen us for the journey>> ahead.>>>> Remember this; the Flower of Manchester belongs in our hearts not in>> the bank account of Malcolm Glazer.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Join the army! Travel the world, Meet interesting people, and kill>> them>>>>>>>> Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partner online.>>>>>>>> --------------------------------->> How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for>> FREE with Yahoo! Photos. Get Yahoo! Photos>>>> Join the army! Travel the world, Meet interesting people, and kill>> them>>>>>> Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partner online.>>>>>> --------------------------------->> How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for>> FREE with Yahoo! Photos. Get Yahoo! Photos>>>> --------------------------------->> Yahoo! Groups Links>>>> To visit your group on the web, go to:>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Manchester_United_2004/>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:>> Manchester_United_2004-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com>>>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of>> Service.>>>>>>>> Join the army! Travel the world, Meet interesting people, and kill>> them>>>>>> Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partneronline.>>>>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links>>>>>>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links>>>>

yeah glazer wants him back..he has already discussed the matter with SirAlex...who has said he has no problems if beckham comes back..even bechkamis reported to be happy hearing this....abt glazer he thinks..bechkam willbe his road towards earning more money (wut else does the fuckface thinkapart from money)....so glazer might even pitch in unreasonable amount forbeckham..coz perez has said he wont let go beckham off cheaply...

also there was a report in some forums that u might also see figo inunited..coz real does not want him..n glazer that idiot may think..figobeing a big brand will be a good signing...also some young U.S players mayalso land up in united...but that's a slim chance...

ciao..curtz.. born devil 'o'

> Oh god . . . . beckham back . . . we will be deader than dead !>>> -----Original Message-----> From: saikatbose06@imi.edu [mailto:saikatbose06@imi.edu]> Sent: 18 May 2005 03:08 PM> To: Manchester_United_2004@yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [Manchester_United_2004] WAR DECLARED ON GLAZER-MEC, RED> ARMY STATEMENT>> n who do u think glazer will be more interested in... may be a> rockstar...he can be sold in the US...or may be he'll bring jackie chan> to win over asian audience thinking that he's more popular than any> footballers...or yeah he may bring in any nfl or nba player...God knows> glazer with a zilch knowledge about football can really give such> idiotic ideas..>> ciao..> curtz.. born devil 'o'>> P.S. - Glazer wants beckham back...pray that he does not spend the whole> transfer money allocated on beckham...coz real definitely wont let him> go easily...coz perez like glazer only cares about money....>>>> hey guys.......>>>> i think its over ........glazer issue can be put to rest n i think the>> time has come to think abt the future................. the new signins>> .......transfer.n........ loads of stuff...........>>>> till then.........>>>> vichar hari>>>> P.S " TILL I LIVE " just came out of mind n its not going to be a>> cliche........>>>> Preston Adams <preston_adams101@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:>> "TILL I LIVE"???>> wow, we found a new cliche!!!:)>> Normally its "TILL I DIE">> but who's gonna argue with this dude, easier to shoot shakespeare thn>> argue with this guy. - Tejas>>>> vichar hari <vichie_87@yahoo.co.in> wrote:>> yeah yeah .......... i know .u can ignore me............but not my>> spirit .................>>>> hey deck ................... I AM AND I WiLL BE A MANCHESTER UNITED>> TILL I LIVE.>>>> till then...........>>>> vichar hari>>>> Preston Adams <preston_adams101@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:>> Oh hey, hi Donovan,>> Back after a long time, did you really go to Florida? Hey mate, I was>> counting on you to appear in Oregon News, alas! I guess you didnt use>> the address that I had posted it seems :) Anyways, coming to this>> vichar dude, seriously he needs to be a lot more circumspect before>> posting crap here. But yeah, I guess he's just another lurker, but you>> know Donovan, if we keep replying to his shit it will be like giving>> the guy attention, so lets just ignore him ok? - PA>>>> Dekock Donovan <Donovan.Dekock@process.glta.co.za> wrote:>> v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}o\:*>> {behavior:url(#default#VML);}w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}.shape>> {behavior:url(#default#VML);}st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }>> The only waste of time here is me reading your pathetic posts !>>>>>>>> U are not a United fan ,. . . so what the hell are you doing here !>>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------->>>>>> From: vichar hari [mailto:vichie_87@yahoo.co.in]>> Sent: 15 May 2005 04:33 PM>> To: Manchester_United_2004@yahoogroups.com>> Subject: Re: [Manchester_United_2004] WAR DECLARED ON GLAZER-MEC, RED>> ARMY STATEMENT>>>>>>>>>> cha cha ............>>>>>>>>>>>> a real waste of time typing this note..............>>>>>>>>>>>> till then ................>>>>>>>>>>>> vichar hari>>>>>>>>>> mec_red_army <mec_red_army@yahoo.com> wrote:>>>>>> STATEMENT FROM RED ARMY>>>> Today we the RED ARMY are supporters without a club and are called to>> defend our beloved history of Manchester United from Glazer and his>> associates. Our grief has turned to anger, and our anger has to be>> released. Whether we bring our enemies to justice, or bring justice to>> our enemies, justice will be done.>>>> On May 12, 2005, enemies of Red Army committed an act of war against>> us. The Glazer Family have known wars of soughts -- but for the past 2>> years, they have been wars of words and peaceful protests, except for>> the one that has now begun. The Glazer family have known the>> casualties of war, (Tampa Bay Season Ticket Holders). Here in United>> Kingdom we will not allow the hated Leprechaun to have a peaceful day,>> while him, his family and associates conduct their greedy>> business in our home of Old Trafford, a great stadium that has been>> erected to house our following and built with our money and support.>> In the world of business never before have thousands of civilians>> conducted revenge on a single business and lost. All of this was>> brought upon us in a single day, and night fell on a different world,>> a world where our club itself is no longer our own club, Manchester>> United is temporary no longer. Until the day we have our Club>> returned to us it shall be known as Glazer United>> .>> Malcolm Glazer is to United fans what Adolph Hitler was to Europe. The>> darkest of shadows now cast over Old Trafford, the once richest club>> in the world, a club of winning championships and seeking>> success now banished to HELL with Satan at the helm. His goal is to>> reap as much income as possible, regardless of where and how it is>> sought. Today the RED ARMY make the following requirements of the>> Glazer family: Deliver our club back to us, reinstate all that was>> before. Release all your shares back to the market. Protect yourself>> and your family as well as your associates and workers. Close>> immediately all ties with Manchester United and permanently stay away>> from Manchester United and all of its business. If you are willing to>> abide with our terms, then every employee at Old Trafford and the>> Carrington training camp will remain unharmed. In the meantime until>> our requirements are met, it has been considered that all your>> employees and their families are now our enemies. Any person, group,>> trust, organisation, business, sponsor or affiliate who in their>> support or structure, have to appropriate any business with you on the>> day to day running of Glazer United are now deemed enemies of the RED>> ARMY.>> These requirements are not open to negotiation or discussion. The>> Glazer family must act, and act immediately. They will hand back our>> Manchester United, or they will share in their fate.>>>> We also want to speak today directly to all Manchester United>> Supporters throughout the world. We welcome and respect your support>> from all the millions of RED ARMY followers, and by thousands more in>> countries that have supported Manchester United via television that we>> count as friends. We already have the support of our following>> from Norway, Arabia, South Africa to China, and Australia to>> Argentina. Our support has been good and peaceful, and for those who>> commit to our cause, to execute the removal of the evil Glazer family>> from Manchester are welcome to unleash their frustations and vent>> their anger for the Cause. The Irish duo of Magnus and Mangier are>> traitors to our faith, once trying to hijack United themselves, then>> to commit deceit, so treacherous an act that they have committed and>> is therefore deemed punishable. As for all others who sold out to>> Glazer you have made yourself a target for punishment. All of your>> daily interests and social activities are now under scrutiny and are>> marked to be attacked as you are now our enemy. We shall leave no>> stone unturned until these traitors are left to burn in Hell.>>>> The RED ARMY would like to make it clear; it is NOT our many American>> friends, which have become our enemy. For we have widespread support>> throughout America in our war on Glazer. Our enemy is the radical>> network of Glazer and his associates, and every organisation that has>> assisted him in acquiring our club.>> Our war on Glazer begins today, but it does not end overnight. It will>> not end until every piece of acquisition of Manchester United is>> handed back to the RED ARMY and Glazer defeated.>>>> People are asking, why do we hate him? We hate what we see right here>> as a capitalist venture for an individual that will ruin the English>> game of football not only for Manchester United but for>> smaller clubs in the lower leagues. Their leaders are self-appointed>> and not democratically elected, not allowing any input or a voice>> from the supporters The Glazer family hate the freedom of speech, you>> only have to ask the Season Ticket Holders of Tampa Bay>> Buccaneers. Malcolm Glazer took them to court and sued them. Can you>> imagine a European football club taking its own fan base to>> court? Our religion of United, our freedom of speech, our right to>> assemble and disagree with the board of directors is banished forever>> until we rid Manchester United of the Glazer family.>>>> People are asking: How will we fight and win this war? We will>> direct every resource at our command, every means of diplomacy, and>> every tool of intelligence, every instrument of law, every financial>> influence, and every necessary weapon of war, to the disruption and to>> the defeat of the Glazer network.>> This war will not be like the war of words and protest that have taken>> place in the past. We also believe it will not be a swift>> conclusion. In Manchester, the uprising has begun. This will move to>> Cardiff and other major cities in England; we will take this war to>> the capital cities of Europe. Glazer is counting on a major>> financial income from European sources which will be one of our main>> objectives. We are willing to allow Glazer United to be removed from>> Champions League football. Once this objective is successful,>> sponsorships will begin to dry and wither. All current sponsors, NIKE,>> Vodafone, Budweiser, Ladbrokes, Endsleigh Insurance, Dimension Data,>> PEPSI, Wilkinson Sword, AUDI, Fuji Film, and Century Radio are now>> legitimate targets of the RED ARMY. Let this be a warning to any other>> potential sponsor for Glazer United. Any person promoting or profiting>> from Glazer United will also be deemed the enemy and leave themselves>> open to attack. There will also include impromptu raids on people>> entering Old Trafford to support Glazer United. These>> raids though will only serve as a re education so that these people>> are aware of the RED ARMY cause. Other legitimate targets include>> all staff and employees and their families of Old Trafford, suppliers>> and their employees and families. This will also include any media>> entering Old Trafford.>>>> IF YOU WANT TO STAY IN GOOD HEALTH, DO NOT BE ASSOCIATED, CONNECTED OR>> WORK FOR GLAZER UNITED.>>>> Our response involves far more than instant retaliation and isolated>> strikes. Glazer United should not expect one battle, but a lengthy>> campaign, unlike any other that has been known in the world of>> sport. It may include dramatic strikes, visible on TV, and covert>> operations, secret even in success. We will starve Glazer of>> funding, turn them one against another, drive them from Old Trafford>> back to Florida, until there is no refuge. In addition, we will>> pursue associates of Glazer and those that sold us down the river that>> provided a path for Glazer to enter Manchester. Every>> supporter, in every region, in every nation around the World now has a>> decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the>> Glazer. From this day forward, any person or business that>> continues to support Glazer United will be regarded by the RED ARMY as>> a hostile.>>>> Our followers have been put on notice: That we are not immune from>> attack. We will take defensive measures against Glazer to protect our>> following. Today, 374 members of the MEC-RED ARMY have agreed in>> principal to the agreement to take up their stance and begin the war.>> These efforts are being coordinated at the highest level. As well as>> individual level as to confuse the authorities as much as possible.>> These measures are essential. But the only way to defeat Glazer as a>> threat to our history and future of Manchester United is to stop him,>> eliminate him, and destroy him while he has a grip on Manchester>> United.>>>> What is at stake is not just Manchester United's future. The whole>> future of the English football is at risk. This is civilization's>> fight against a greedy man, he is not entering Manchester as a hero>> saving a club from extinction; he cannot do what Manchester United was>> not doing already. He can only be here for one reason and that is to>> destroy the good name of English football. Does this man think that>> this is the best way to import soccer into America? He is so>> wrong; the American culture does not accept our game of football on a>> scale in comparison to their own sports of baseball and such likes.>>>> We ask every football fan to join us. We will ask, and we will need,>> the help of the real united fans from across the world. The RED ARMY>> is grateful that many of you here in the UK and many internationally>> organised have already responded, with sympathy and with support. With>> the conductance to not purchasing the merchandise associated with>> Glazer United or other products of these companies, Glazer shall feel>> the financial pressure, and we estimate that the indicators will show>> this by January 2006.>>>> Supporters are asking: What is expected of us? We only ask that you>> live your lives, and be ready to fight. We know many supporters have>> fears today, and we ask you to be calm and resolute, even in the face>> of a continuing menace of Malcolm Glazer. We ask you to uphold the>> values of the true and historical United fan, and remember why so>> many have been to Old Trafford in our glorious history. We are in a>> fight for our principles, and our first responsibility is to live by>> them. Only our enemies should be singled out for unfair treatment or>> unkind words because of their unethical business dealing with the>> Glazer family and the background to this takeover. Companies and>> employees such as J P Morgan, N M Rothschild, to name a few are>> all legitimate targets. We will not forget this wound to our club or>> those who inflicted it. We will not yield; we will not rest; we will>> not relent in waging this struggle for freedom and security for the>> RED ARMY to return home to a Glazer free Old Trafford.>>>> It is our hope that in the months, years ahead, that life will return>> to normal. When our own VE Day arrives we will go back to our home of>> Old Trafford and our Saturday routines, and that is good. Even>> grief recedes with time and grace. But our resolve must not pass. Each>> of us will remember what happened that day the 12th May, and to whom>> it happened. We'll remember the moment the news came, where we were>> and what we were doing. Some will remember an image of fire, or of>> news that felt like death. Some will carry memories of a game and a>> roaring voice gone forever.>>>> Today we thank our fellow RED ARMY followers for what you have>> already done and for what you will do. To the ladies and gentlemen of>> the formerly Manchester United, we thank you, for your>> representations and information that has put us in good stead for our>> War with Glazer United>> The course of this conflict is not known, yet its outcome is>> certain. For freedom and fear, justice and cruelty, have always been>> at war, and we know that God is not neutral between them.>>>> And, finally, please continue praying that one day soon Glazer and his>> family will leave Manchester and our great country. Prayer has>> comforted us in sorrow, and will help strengthen us for the journey>> ahead.>>>> Remember this; the Flower of Manchester belongs in our hearts not in>> the bank account of Malcolm Glazer.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Join the army! Travel the world, Meet interesting people, and kill>> them>>>>>>>> Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partner online.>>>>>>>> --------------------------------->> How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for>> FREE with Yahoo! Photos. Get Yahoo! Photos>>>> Join the army! Travel the world, Meet interesting people, and kill>> them>>>>>> Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partner online.>>>>>> --------------------------------->> How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for>> FREE with Yahoo! Photos. Get Yahoo! Photos>>>> --------------------------------->> Yahoo! Groups Links>>>> To visit your group on the web, go to:>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Manchester_United_2004/>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:>> Manchester_United_2004-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com>>>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of>> Service.>>>>>>>> Join the army! Travel the world, Meet interesting people, and kill>> them>>>>>> Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partneronline.>>>>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links>>>>>>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links>>>>

tch tch, saikat, not you too,I am an American and I love my "football", now before you go on an imaginative hike of bringing 50 cent to Man Utd or Jackie Chan to hit a volley with his trademark flying kick, I would like to point out some suitable American signings that Glazer could and would bring to United to attract US ppl.1. Freddy Adu, position: Attacking Midfielder, plays for DC United, tipped to be the next Pele, age 15, already tipped for an International call.2. Demarcus Beasley, position: Winger,age 21, plays for PSV, a major reason for their success this season both at home and in the Champion's League.Now, I dont know much abt Asian superstars, I guess you may know better about who plays well in say China or South Korea, Ji Sung Park looked the most promising of those I have seen.And have you guys forgotten of the players that we already have??3. Jonathon Spector, born in Chicago.4. Giuseppe Rossi, an Italian but do you guys know, he has an American passport, and is thus a dual citizen.5. Tim Howard!! Well he just signed a new deal rite?Now how many Americans have I named so far?? So, all I want to say is, Glazer is a twat, agreed, but he is gonna keep Fergie, Keane, Giggs, Howard, and all the boardroom staff, coz he knows he himself cant do anything, plus Donovan, Fergie is gonna receive a £20Mn tranfer kitty this season in addition to any money he gets from departures. So atleast as far as on-field performances are concerned there is a ray of hope that we may improve, but I guess only time can be the judge.- Preston Adams

saikatbose06@imi.edu wrote:n who do u think glazer will be more interested in... may be arockstar...he can be sold in the US...or may be he'll bring jackie chan towin over asian audience thinking that he's more popular than anyfootballers...or yeah he may bring in any nfl or nba player...God knowsglazer with a zilch knowledge about football can really give such idioticideas..

ciao..curtz.. born devil 'o'

P.S. - Glazer wants beckham back...pray that he does not spend the wholetransfer money allocated on beckham...coz real definitely wont let him goeasily...coz perez like glazer only cares about money....

> hey guys.......>> i think its over ........glazer issue can be put to rest n i think the> time has come to think abt the future................. the new signins> .......transfer.n........ loads of stuff...........>> till then.........>> vichar hari>> P.S " TILL I LIVE " just came out of mind n its not going to be a> cliche........>> Preston Adams <preston_adams101@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:> "TILL I LIVE"???> wow, we found a new cliche!!!:)> Normally its "TILL I DIE"> but who's gonna argue with this dude, easier to shoot shakespeare thn> argue with this guy. - Tejas>> vichar hari <vichie_87@yahoo.co.in> wrote:> yeah yeah .......... i know .u can ignore me............but not my> spirit .................>> hey deck ................... I AM AND I WiLL BE A MANCHESTER UNITED TILL> I LIVE.>> till then...........>> vichar hari>> Preston Adams <preston_adams101@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:> Oh hey, hi Donovan,> Back after a long time, did you really go to Florida? Hey mate, I was> counting on you to appear in Oregon News, alas! I guess you didnt use> the address that I had posted it seems :) Anyways, coming to this vichar> dude, seriously he needs to be a lot more circumspect before posting> crap here. But yeah, I guess he's just another lurker, but you know> Donovan, if we keep replying to his shit it will be like giving the guy> attention, so lets just ignore him ok? - PA>> Dekock Donovan <Donovan.Dekock@process.glta.co.za> wrote:> v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}w\:*> {behavior:url(#default#VML);}.shape> {behavior:url(#default#VML);}st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } The> only waste of time here is me reading your pathetic posts !>>>> U are not a United fan ,. . . so what the hell are you doing here !>>>>>> --------------------------------->>> From: vichar hari [mailto:vichie_87@yahoo.co.in]> Sent: 15 May 2005 04:33 PM> To: Manchester_United_2004@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [Manchester_United_2004] WAR DECLARED ON GLAZER-MEC, RED> ARMY STATEMENT>>>>> cha cha ............>>>>>> a real waste of time typing this note..............>>>>>> till then ................>>>>>> vichar hari>>>>> mec_red_army <mec_red_army@yahoo.com> wrote:>>> STATEMENT FROM RED ARMY>> Today we the RED ARMY are supporters without a club and are called to> defend our beloved history of Manchester United from Glazer and his> associates. Our grief has turned to anger, and our anger has to be> released. Whether we bring our enemies to justice, or bring justice to> our enemies, justice will be done.>> On May 12, 2005, enemies of Red Army committed an act of war against us.> The Glazer Family have known wars of soughts -- but for the past 2> years, they have been wars of words and peaceful protests, except for> the one that has now begun. The Glazer family have known the> casualties of war, (Tampa Bay Season Ticket Holders). Here in United> Kingdom we will not allow the hated Leprechaun to have a peaceful> day, while him, his family and associates conduct their greedy> business in our home of Old Trafford, a great stadium that has been> erected to house our following and built with our money and support. In> the world of business never before have thousands of civilians> conducted revenge on a single business and lost. All of this was> brought upon us in a single day, and night fell on a different world, a> world where our club itself is no longer our own club, Manchester United> is temporary no longer. Until the day we have our Club> returned to us it shall be known as Glazer United> .> Malcolm Glazer is to United fans what Adolph Hitler was to Europe. The> darkest of shadows now cast over Old Trafford, the once richest club in> the world, a club of winning championships and seeking> success now banished to HELL with Satan at the helm. His goal is to reap> as much income as possible, regardless of where and how it is sought.> Today the RED ARMY make the following requirements of the Glazer> family: Deliver our club back to us, reinstate all that was before.> Release all your shares back to the market. Protect yourself and> your family as well as your associates and workers. Close> immediately all ties with Manchester United and permanently stay away> from Manchester United and all of its business. If you are willing to> abide with our terms, then every employee at Old Trafford and the> Carrington training camp will remain unharmed. In the meantime until our> requirements are met, it has been considered that all your> employees and their families are now our enemies. Any person, group,> trust, organisation, business, sponsor or affiliate who in their> support or structure, have to appropriate any business with you on the> day to day running of Glazer United are now deemed enemies of the RED> ARMY.> These requirements are not open to negotiation or discussion. The> Glazer family must act, and act immediately. They will hand back our> Manchester United, or they will share in their fate.>> We also want to speak today directly to all Manchester United> Supporters throughout the world. We welcome and respect your support> from all the millions of RED ARMY followers, and by thousands more in> countries that have supported Manchester United via television that we> count as friends. We already have the support of our following> from Norway, Arabia, South Africa to China, and Australia to> Argentina. Our support has been good and peaceful, and for those who> commit to our cause, to execute the removal of the evil Glazer family> from Manchester are welcome to unleash their frustations and vent> their anger for the Cause. The Irish duo of Magnus and Mangier are> traitors to our faith, once trying to hijack United themselves, then to> commit deceit, so treacherous an act that they have committed and is> therefore deemed punishable. As for all others who sold out to> Glazer you have made yourself a target for punishment. All of your daily> interests and social activities are now under scrutiny and are marked to> be attacked as you are now our enemy. We shall leave no> stone unturned until these traitors are left to burn in Hell.>> The RED ARMY would like to make it clear; it is NOT our many American> friends, which have become our enemy. For we have widespread support> throughout America in our war on Glazer. Our enemy is the radical> network of Glazer and his associates, and every organisation that has> assisted him in acquiring our club.> Our war on Glazer begins today, but it does not end overnight. It> will not end until every piece of acquisition of Manchester United is> handed back to the RED ARMY and Glazer defeated.>> People are asking, why do we hate him? We hate what we see right> here as a capitalist venture for an individual that will ruin the> English game of football not only for Manchester United but for> smaller clubs in the lower leagues. Their leaders are self-appointed and> not democratically elected, not allowing any input or a voice> from the supporters The Glazer family hate the freedom of speech,> you only have to ask the Season Ticket Holders of Tampa Bay> Buccaneers. Malcolm Glazer took them to court and sued them. Can> you imagine a European football club taking its own fan base to> court? Our religion of United, our freedom of speech, our right to> assemble and disagree with the board of directors is banished forever> until we rid Manchester United of the Glazer family.>> People are asking: How will we fight and win this war? We will> direct every resource at our command, every means of diplomacy, and> every tool of intelligence, every instrument of law, every financial> influence, and every necessary weapon of war, to the disruption and to> the defeat of the Glazer network.> This war will not be like the war of words and protest that have> taken place in the past. We also believe it will not be a swift> conclusion. In Manchester, the uprising has begun. This will move> to Cardiff and other major cities in England; we will take this war to> the capital cities of Europe. Glazer is counting on a major> financial income from European sources which will be one of our main> objectives. We are willing to allow Glazer United to be removed from> Champions League football. Once this objective is successful,> sponsorships will begin to dry and wither. All current sponsors,> NIKE, Vodafone, Budweiser, Ladbrokes, Endsleigh Insurance, Dimension> Data, PEPSI, Wilkinson Sword, AUDI, Fuji Film, and Century Radio are now> legitimate targets of the RED ARMY. Let this be a warning to any other> potential sponsor for Glazer United. Any person promoting or profiting> from Glazer United will also be deemed the enemy and leave themselves> open to attack. There will also include impromptu raids on people> entering Old Trafford to support Glazer United. These> raids though will only serve as a re education so that these people are> aware of the RED ARMY cause. Other legitimate targets include> all staff and employees and their families of Old Trafford, suppliers> and their employees and families. This will also include any media> entering Old Trafford.>> IF YOU WANT TO STAY IN GOOD HEALTH, DO NOT BE ASSOCIATED, CONNECTED OR> WORK FOR GLAZER UNITED.>> Our response involves far more than instant retaliation and isolated> strikes. Glazer United should not expect one battle, but a lengthy> campaign, unlike any other that has been known in the world of> sport. It may include dramatic strikes, visible on TV, and covert> operations, secret even in success. We will starve Glazer of> funding, turn them one against another, drive them from Old Trafford> back to Florida, until there is no refuge. In addition, we will> pursue associates of Glazer and those that sold us down the river> that provided a path for Glazer to enter Manchester. Every> supporter, in every region, in every nation around the World now has a> decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the> Glazer. From this day forward, any person or business that> continues to support Glazer United will be regarded by the RED ARMY as a> hostile.>> Our followers have been put on notice: That we are not immune from> attack. We will take defensive measures against Glazer to protect> our following. Today, 374 members of the MEC-RED ARMY have agreed in> principal to the agreement to take up their stance and begin the> war. These efforts are being coordinated at the highest level. As> well as individual level as to confuse the authorities as much as> possible.> These measures are essential. But the only way to defeat Glazer as a> threat to our history and future of Manchester United is to stop him,> eliminate him, and destroy him while he has a grip on Manchester> United.>> What is at stake is not just Manchester United's future. The whole> future of the English football is at risk. This is civilization's> fight against a greedy man, he is not entering Manchester as a hero> saving a club from extinction; he cannot do what Manchester United was> not doing already. He can only be here for one reason and that is to> destroy the good name of English football. Does this man think that this> is the best way to import soccer into America? He is so> wrong; the American culture does not accept our game of football on a> scale in comparison to their own sports of baseball and such likes.>> We ask every football fan to join us. We will ask, and we will need, the> help of the real united fans from across the world. The RED ARMY is> grateful that many of you here in the UK and many internationally> organised have already responded, with sympathy and with support.> With the conductance to not purchasing the merchandise associated> with Glazer United or other products of these companies, Glazer shall> feel the financial pressure, and we estimate that the indicators will> show this by January 2006.>> Supporters are asking: What is expected of us? We only ask that you live> your lives, and be ready to fight. We know many supporters have fears> today, and we ask you to be calm and resolute, even in the face of a> continuing menace of Malcolm Glazer. We ask you to uphold the values of> the true and historical United fan, and remember why so> many have been to Old Trafford in our glorious history. We are in a> fight for our principles, and our first responsibility is to live by> them. Only our enemies should be singled out for unfair treatment or> unkind words because of their unethical business dealing with the> Glazer family and the background to this takeover. Companies and> employees such as J P Morgan, N M Rothschild, to name a few are> all legitimate targets. We will not forget this wound to our club> or those who inflicted it. We will not yield; we will not rest; we will> not relent in waging this struggle for freedom and security for the RED> ARMY to return home to a Glazer free Old Trafford.>> It is our hope that in the months, years ahead, that life will return to> normal. When our own VE Day arrives we will go back to our home of Old> Trafford and our Saturday routines, and that is good. Even> grief recedes with time and grace. But our resolve must not pass.> Each of us will remember what happened that day the 12th May, and to> whom it happened. We'll remember the moment the news came, where we were> and what we were doing. Some will remember an image of fire, or of news> that felt like death. Some will carry memories of a game and a roaring> voice gone forever.>> Today we thank our fellow RED ARMY followers for what you have> already done and for what you will do. To the ladies and gentlemen of> the formerly Manchester United, we thank you, for your> representations and information that has put us in good stead for our> War with Glazer United> The course of this conflict is not known, yet its outcome is> certain. For freedom and fear, justice and cruelty, have always been at> war, and we know that God is not neutral between them.>> And, finally, please continue praying that one day soon Glazer and his> family will leave Manchester and our great country. Prayer has comforted> us in sorrow, and will help strengthen us for the journey ahead.>> Remember this; the Flower of Manchester belongs in our hearts not in the> bank account of Malcolm Glazer.>>>>>>> Join the army! Travel the world, Meet interesting people, and kill them>>>> Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partner online.>>>> ---------------------------------> How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for> FREE with Yahoo! Photos. Get Yahoo! Photos>> Join the army! Travel the world, Meet interesting people, and kill them>>> Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partner online.>>> ---------------------------------> How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for> FREE with Yahoo! Photos. Get Yahoo! Photos>> ---------------------------------> Yahoo! Groups Links>> To visit your group on the web, go to:> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Manchester_United_2004/>> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:> Manchester_United_2004-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.>>>> Join the army! Travel the world, Meet interesting people, and kill them>>> Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partneronline.

---------------------------------Yahoo! Groups Links

To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Manchester_United_2004/

To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:Manchester_United_2004-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

---------------------------------How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos. Get Yahoo! Photos

preston my post was that of sarchasm..i never doubt quality players..nnever said the other places dont produce quality players...but the pointis glazer blindfolded with the insane passion for money might overlookreal talent n go for brand name purchase..old players or players who mightbe big names but not fit for united game plan...

also he may not do much of chopping n changing this season just to try nride over fans protest...he may try to act as messiah..n try to portraythat he really loves the current players n kind ....but the thing is forhow long...he masscared a perfectly good buccaneers team after they wonthe championship...u see...

ciao..curtz.. born devil 'o'

> tch tch, saikat, not you too,> I am an American and I love my "football", now before you go on an> imaginative hike of bringing 50 cent to Man Utd or Jackie Chan to hit a> volley with his trademark flying kick, I would like to point out some> suitable American signings that Glazer could and would bring to United> to attract US ppl. 1. Freddy Adu, position: Attacking Midfielder, plays> for DC United, tipped to be the next Pele, age 15, already tipped for an> International call. 2. Demarcus Beasley, position: Winger,age 21, plays> for PSV, a major reason for their success this season both at home and> in the Champion's League. Now, I dont know much abt Asian superstars, I> guess you may know better about who plays well in say China or South> Korea, Ji Sung Park looked the most promising of those I have seen. And> have you guys forgotten of the players that we already have??> 3. Jonathon Spector, born in Chicago.> 4. Giuseppe Rossi, an Italian but do you guys know, he has an American> passport, and is thus a dual citizen. 5. Tim Howard!! Well he just> signed a new deal rite?> Now how many Americans have I named so far?? So, all I want to say is,> Glazer is a twat, agreed, but he is gonna keep Fergie, Keane, Giggs,> Howard, and all the boardroom staff, coz he knows he himself cant do> anything, plus Donovan, Fergie is gonna receive a £20Mn tranfer kitty> this season in addition to any money he gets from departures. So atleast> as far as on-field performances are concerned there is a ray of hope> that we may improve, but I guess only time can be the judge. - Preston> Adams>> saikatbose06@imi.edu wrote:> n who do u think glazer will be more interested in... may be a> rockstar...he can be sold in the US...or may be he'll bring jackie chan> to win over asian audience thinking that he's more popular than any> footballers...or yeah he may bring in any nfl or nba player...God knows> glazer with a zilch knowledge about football can really give such> idiotic ideas..>> ciao..> curtz.. born devil 'o'>> P.S. - Glazer wants beckham back...pray that he does not spend the whole> transfer money allocated on beckham...coz real definitely wont let him> go easily...coz perez like glazer only cares about money....>>>> hey guys.......>>>> i think its over ........glazer issue can be put to rest n i think the>> time has come to think abt the future................. the new signins>> .......transfer.n........ loads of stuff...........>>>> till then.........>>>> vichar hari>>>> P.S " TILL I LIVE " just came out of mind n its not going to be a>> cliche........>>>> Preston Adams <preston_adams101@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:>> "TILL I LIVE"???>> wow, we found a new cliche!!!:)>> Normally its "TILL I DIE">> but who's gonna argue with this dude, easier to shoot shakespeare thn>> argue with this guy. - Tejas>>>> vichar hari <vichie_87@yahoo.co.in> wrote:>> yeah yeah .......... i know .u can ignore me............but not my>> spirit .................>>>> hey deck ................... I AM AND I WiLL BE A MANCHESTER UNITED>> TILL I LIVE.>>>> till then...........>>>> vichar hari>>>> Preston Adams <preston_adams101@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:>> Oh hey, hi Donovan,>> Back after a long time, did you really go to Florida? Hey mate, I was>> counting on you to appear in Oregon News, alas! I guess you didnt use>> the address that I had posted it seems :) Anyways, coming to this>> vichar dude, seriously he needs to be a lot more circumspect before>> posting crap here. But yeah, I guess he's just another lurker, but you>> know Donovan, if we keep replying to his shit it will be like giving>> the guy attention, so lets just ignore him ok? - PA>>>> Dekock Donovan <Donovan.Dekock@process.glta.co.za> wrote:>> v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}o\:*>> {behavior:url(#default#VML);}w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}.shape>> {behavior:url(#default#VML);}st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }>> The only waste of time here is me reading your pathetic posts !>>>>>>>> U are not a United fan ,. . . so what the hell are you doing here !>>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------->>>>>> From: vichar hari [mailto:vichie_87@yahoo.co.in]>> Sent: 15 May 2005 04:33 PM>> To: Manchester_United_2004@yahoogroups.com>> Subject: Re: [Manchester_United_2004] WAR DECLARED ON GLAZER-MEC, RED>> ARMY STATEMENT>>>>>>>>>> cha cha ............>>>>>>>>>>>> a real waste of time typing this note..............>>>>>>>>>>>> till then ................>>>>>>>>>>>> vichar hari>>>>>>>>>> mec_red_army <mec_red_army@yahoo.com> wrote:>>>>>> STATEMENT FROM RED ARMY>>>> Today we the RED ARMY are supporters without a club and are called to>> defend our beloved history of Manchester United from Glazer and his>> associates. Our grief has turned to anger, and our anger has to be>> released. Whether we bring our enemies to justice, or bring justice to>> our enemies, justice will be done.>>>> On May 12, 2005, enemies of Red Army committed an act of war against>> us. The Glazer Family have known wars of soughts -- but for the past 2>> years, they have been wars of words and peaceful protests, except for>> the one that has now begun. The Glazer family have known the>> casualties of war, (Tampa Bay Season Ticket Holders). Here in United>> Kingdom we will not allow the hated Leprechaun to have a peaceful day,>> while him, his family and associates conduct their greedy>> business in our home of Old Trafford, a great stadium that has been>> erected to house our following and built with our money and support.>> In the world of business never before have thousands of civilians>> conducted revenge on a single business and lost. All of this was>> brought upon us in a single day, and night fell on a different world,>> a world where our club itself is no longer our own club, Manchester>> United is temporary no longer. Until the day we have our Club>> returned to us it shall be known as Glazer United>> .>> Malcolm Glazer is to United fans what Adolph Hitler was to Europe. The>> darkest of shadows now cast over Old Trafford, the once richest club>> in the world, a club of winning championships and seeking>> success now banished to HELL with Satan at the helm. His goal is to>> reap as much income as possible, regardless of where and how it is>> sought. Today the RED ARMY make the following requirements of the>> Glazer family: Deliver our club back to us, reinstate all that was>> before. Release all your shares back to the market. Protect yourself>> and your family as well as your associates and workers. Close>> immediately all ties with Manchester United and permanently stay away>> from Manchester United and all of its business. If you are willing to>> abide with our terms, then every employee at Old Trafford and the>> Carrington training camp will remain unharmed. In the meantime until>> our requirements are met, it has been considered that all your>> employees and their families are now our enemies. Any person, group,>> trust, organisation, business, sponsor or affiliate who in their>> support or structure, have to appropriate any business with you on the>> day to day running of Glazer United are now deemed enemies of the RED>> ARMY.>> These requirements are not open to negotiation or discussion. The>> Glazer family must act, and act immediately. They will hand back our>> Manchester United, or they will share in their fate.>>>> We also want to speak today directly to all Manchester United>> Supporters throughout the world. We welcome and respect your support>> from all the millions of RED ARMY followers, and by thousands more in>> countries that have supported Manchester United via television that we>> count as friends. We already have the support of our following>> from Norway, Arabia, South Africa to China, and Australia to>> Argentina. Our support has been good and peaceful, and for those who>> commit to our cause, to execute the removal of the evil Glazer family>> from Manchester are welcome to unleash their frustations and vent>> their anger for the Cause. The Irish duo of Magnus and Mangier are>> traitors to our faith, once trying to hijack United themselves, then>> to commit deceit, so treacherous an act that they have committed and>> is therefore deemed punishable. As for all others who sold out to>> Glazer you have made yourself a target for punishment. All of your>> daily interests and social activities are now under scrutiny and are>> marked to be attacked as you are now our enemy. We shall leave no>> stone unturned until these traitors are left to burn in Hell.>>>> The RED ARMY would like to make it clear; it is NOT our many American>> friends, which have become our enemy. For we have widespread support>> throughout America in our war on Glazer. Our enemy is the radical>> network of Glazer and his associates, and every organisation that has>> assisted him in acquiring our club.>> Our war on Glazer begins today, but it does not end overnight. It will>> not end until every piece of acquisition of Manchester United is>> handed back to the RED ARMY and Glazer defeated.>>>> People are asking, why do we hate him? We hate what we see right here>> as a capitalist venture for an individual that will ruin the English>> game of football not only for Manchester United but for>> smaller clubs in the lower leagues. Their leaders are self-appointed>> and not democratically elected, not allowing any input or a voice>> from the supporters The Glazer family hate the freedom of speech, you>> only have to ask the Season Ticket Holders of Tampa Bay>> Buccaneers. Malcolm Glazer took them to court and sued them. Can you>> imagine a European football club taking its own fan base to>> court? Our religion of United, our freedom of speech, our right to>> assemble and disagree with the board of directors is banished forever>> until we rid Manchester United of the Glazer family.>>>> People are asking: How will we fight and win this war? We will>> direct every resource at our command, every means of diplomacy, and>> every tool of intelligence, every instrument of law, every financial>> influence, and every necessary weapon of war, to the disruption and to>> the defeat of the Glazer network.>> This war will not be like the war of words and protest that have taken>> place in the past. We also believe it will not be a swift>> conclusion. In Manchester, the uprising has begun. This will move to>> Cardiff and other major cities in England; we will take this war to>> the capital cities of Europe. Glazer is counting on a major>> financial income from European sources which will be one of our main>> objectives. We are willing to allow Glazer United to be removed from>> Champions League football. Once this objective is successful,>> sponsorships will begin to dry and wither. All current sponsors, NIKE,>> Vodafone, Budweiser, Ladbrokes, Endsleigh Insurance, Dimension Data,>> PEPSI, Wilkinson Sword, AUDI, Fuji Film, and Century Radio are now>> legitimate targets of the RED ARMY. Let this be a warning to any other>> potential sponsor for Glazer United. Any person promoting or profiting>> from Glazer United will also be deemed the enemy and leave themselves>> open to attack. There will also include impromptu raids on people>> entering Old Trafford to support Glazer United. These>> raids though will only serve as a re education so that these people>> are aware of the RED ARMY cause. Other legitimate targets include>> all staff and employees and their families of Old Trafford, suppliers>> and their employees and families. This will also include any media>> entering Old Trafford.>>>> IF YOU WANT TO STAY IN GOOD HEALTH, DO NOT BE ASSOCIATED, CONNECTED OR>> WORK FOR GLAZER UNITED.>>>> Our response involves far more than instant retaliation and isolated>> strikes. Glazer United should not expect one battle, but a lengthy>> campaign, unlike any other that has been known in the world of>> sport. It may include dramatic strikes, visible on TV, and covert>> operations, secret even in success. We will starve Glazer of>> funding, turn them one against another, drive them from Old Trafford>> back to Florida, until there is no refuge. In addition, we will>> pursue associates of Glazer and those that sold us down the river that>> provided a path for Glazer to enter Manchester. Every>> supporter, in every region, in every nation around the World now has a>> decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the>> Glazer. From this day forward, any person or business that>> continues to support Glazer United will be regarded by the RED ARMY as>> a hostile.>>>> Our followers have been put on notice: That we are not immune from>> attack. We will take defensive measures against Glazer to protect our>> following. Today, 374 members of the MEC-RED ARMY have agreed in>> principal to the agreement to take up their stance and begin the war.>> These efforts are being coordinated at the highest level. As well as>> individual level as to confuse the authorities as much as possible.>> These measures are essential. But the only way to defeat Glazer as a>> threat to our history and future of Manchester United is to stop him,>> eliminate him, and destroy him while he has a grip on Manchester>> United.>>>> What is at stake is not just Manchester United's future. The whole>> future of the English football is at risk. This is civilization's>> fight against a greedy man, he is not entering Manchester as a hero>> saving a club from extinction; he cannot do what Manchester United was>> not doing already. He can only be here for one reason and that is to>> destroy the good name of English football. Does this man think that>> this is the best way to import soccer into America? He is so>> wrong; the American culture does not accept our game of football on a>> scale in comparison to their own sports of baseball and such likes.>>>> We ask every football fan to join us. We will ask, and we will need,>> the help of the real united fans from across the world. The RED ARMY>> is grateful that many of you here in the UK and many internationally>> organised have already responded, with sympathy and with support. With>> the conductance to not purchasing the merchandise associated with>> Glazer United or other products of these companies, Glazer shall feel>> the financial pressure, and we estimate that the indicators will show>> this by January 2006.>>>> Supporters are asking: What is expected of us? We only ask that you>> live your lives, and be ready to fight. We know many supporters have>> fears today, and we ask you to be calm and resolute, even in the face>> of a continuing menace of Malcolm Glazer. We ask you to uphold the>> values of the true and historical United fan, and remember why so>> many have been to Old Trafford in our glorious history. We are in a>> fight for our principles, and our first responsibility is to live by>> them. Only our enemies should be singled out for unfair treatment or>> unkind words because of their unethical business dealing with the>> Glazer family and the background to this takeover. Companies and>> employees such as J P Morgan, N M Rothschild, to name a few are>> all legitimate targets. We will not forget this wound to our club or>> those who inflicted it. We will not yield; we will not rest; we will>> not relent in waging this struggle for freedom and security for the>> RED ARMY to return home to a Glazer free Old Trafford.>>>> It is our hope that in the months, years ahead, that life will return>> to normal. When our own VE Day arrives we will go back to our home of>> Old Trafford and our Saturday routines, and that is good. Even>> grief recedes with time and grace. But our resolve must not pass. Each>> of us will remember what happened that day the 12th May, and to whom>> it happened. We'll remember the moment the news came, where we were>> and what we were doing. Some will remember an image of fire, or of>> news that felt like death. Some will carry memories of a game and a>> roaring voice gone forever.>>>> Today we thank our fellow RED ARMY followers for what you have>> already done and for what you will do. To the ladies and gentlemen of>> the formerly Manchester United, we thank you, for your>> representations and information that has put us in good stead for our>> War with Glazer United>> The course of this conflict is not known, yet its outcome is>> certain. For freedom and fear, justice and cruelty, have always been>> at war, and we know that God is not neutral between them.>>>> And, finally, please continue praying that one day soon Glazer and his>> family will leave Manchester and our great country. Prayer has>> comforted us in sorrow, and will help strengthen us for the journey>> ahead.>>>> Remember this; the Flower of Manchester belongs in our hearts not in>> the bank account of Malcolm Glazer.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Join the army! Travel the world, Meet interesting people, and kill>> them>>>>>>>> Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partner online.>>>>>>>> --------------------------------->> How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for>> FREE with Yahoo! Photos. Get Yahoo! Photos>>>> Join the army! Travel the world, Meet interesting people, and kill>> them>>>>>> Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partner online.>>>>>> --------------------------------->> How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for>> FREE with Yahoo! Photos. Get Yahoo! Photos>>>> --------------------------------->> Yahoo! Groups Links>>>> To visit your group on the web, go to:>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Manchester_United_2004/>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:>> Manchester_United_2004-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com>>>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of>> Service.>>>>>>>> Join the army! Travel the world, Meet interesting people, and kill>> them>>>>>> Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partneronline.>>>>>> ---------------------------------> Yahoo! Groups Links>> To visit your group on the web, go to:> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Manchester_United_2004/>> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:> Manchester_United_2004-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.>>>> ---------------------------------> How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for> FREE with Yahoo! Photos. Get Yahoo! Photos

I am sure its just a rumor, I read the article on tribalfootball.com and am pretty certain that its nothing more than a flash in the pan. I am sure Glazer knows that if he buys beckham, the ppl will just dust their old Sharp shirts and wear them again, so no shirt sale boost :)- Preston

saikatbose06@imi.edu wrote:yeah glazer wants him back..he has already discussed the matter with SirAlex...who has said he has no problems if beckham comes back..even bechkamis reported to be happy hearing this....abt glazer he thinks..bechkam willbe his road towards earning more money (wut else does the fuckface thinkapart from money)....so glazer might even pitch in unreasonable amount forbeckham..coz perez has said he wont let go beckham off cheaply...

also there was a report in some forums that u might also see figo inunited..coz real does not want him..n glazer that idiot may think..figobeing a big brand will be a good signing...also some young U.S players mayalso land up in united...but that's a slim chance...

ciao..curtz.. born devil 'o'

> Oh god . . . . beckham back . . . we will be deader than dead !>>> -----Original Message-----> From: saikatbose06@imi.edu [mailto:saikatbose06@imi.edu]> Sent: 18 May 2005 03:08 PM> To: Manchester_United_2004@yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [Manchester_United_2004] WAR DECLARED ON GLAZER-MEC, RED> ARMY STATEMENT>> n who do u think glazer will be more interested in... may be a> rockstar...he can be sold in the US...or may be he'll bring jackie chan> to win over asian audience thinking that he's more popular than any> footballers...or yeah he may bring in any nfl or nba player...God knows> glazer with a zilch knowledge about football can really give such> idiotic ideas..>> ciao..> curtz.. born devil 'o'>> P.S. - Glazer wants beckham back...pray that he does not spend the whole> transfer money allocated on beckham...coz real definitely wont let him> go easily...coz perez like glazer only cares about money....>>>> hey guys.......>>>> i think its over ........glazer issue can be put to rest n i think the>> time has come to think abt the future................. the new signins>> .......transfer.n........ loads of stuff...........>>>> till then.........>>>> vichar hari>>>> P.S " TILL I LIVE " just came out of mind n its not going to be a>> cliche........>>>> Preston Adams <preston_adams101@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:>> "TILL I LIVE"???>> wow, we found a new cliche!!!:)>> Normally its "TILL I DIE">> but who's gonna argue with this dude, easier to shoot shakespeare thn>> argue with this guy. - Tejas>>>> vichar hari <vichie_87@yahoo.co.in> wrote:>> yeah yeah .......... i know .u can ignore me............but not my>> spirit .................>>>> hey deck ................... I AM AND I WiLL BE A MANCHESTER UNITED>> TILL I LIVE.>>>> till then...........>>>> vichar hari>>>> Preston Adams <preston_adams101@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:>> Oh hey, hi Donovan,>> Back after a long time, did you really go to Florida? Hey mate, I was>> counting on you to appear in Oregon News, alas! I guess you didnt use>> the address that I had posted it seems :) Anyways, coming to this>> vichar dude, seriously he needs to be a lot more circumspect before>> posting crap here. But yeah, I guess he's just another lurker, but you>> know Donovan, if we keep replying to his shit it will be like giving>> the guy attention, so lets just ignore him ok? - PA>>>> Dekock Donovan <Donovan.Dekock@process.glta.co.za> wrote:>> v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}o\:*>> {behavior:url(#default#VML);}w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}.shape>> {behavior:url(#default#VML);}st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }>> The only waste of time here is me reading your pathetic posts !>>>>>>>> U are not a United fan ,. . . so what the hell are you doing here !>>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------->>>>>> From: vichar hari [mailto:vichie_87@yahoo.co.in]>> Sent: 15 May 2005 04:33 PM>> To: Manchester_United_2004@yahoogroups.com>> Subject: Re: [Manchester_United_2004] WAR DECLARED ON GLAZER-MEC, RED>> ARMY STATEMENT>>>>>>>>>> cha cha ............>>>>>>>>>>>> a real waste of time typing this note..............>>>>>>>>>>>> till then ................>>>>>>>>>>>> vichar hari>>>>>>>>>> mec_red_army <mec_red_army@yahoo.com> wrote:>>>>>> STATEMENT FROM RED ARMY>>>> Today we the RED ARMY are supporters without a club and are called to>> defend our beloved history of Manchester United from Glazer and his>> associates. Our grief has turned to anger, and our anger has to be>> released. Whether we bring our enemies to justice, or bring justice to>> our enemies, justice will be done.>>>> On May 12, 2005, enemies of Red Army committed an act of war against>> us. The Glazer Family have known wars of soughts -- but for the past 2>> years, they have been wars of words and peaceful protests, except for>> the one that has now begun. The Glazer family have known the>> casualties of war, (Tampa Bay Season Ticket Holders). Here in United>> Kingdom we will not allow the hated Leprechaun to have a peaceful day,>> while him, his family and associates conduct their greedy>> business in our home of Old Trafford, a great stadium that has been>> erected to house our following and built with our money and support.>> In the world of business never before have thousands of civilians>> conducted revenge on a single business and lost. All of this was>> brought upon us in a single day, and night fell on a different world,>> a world where our club itself is no longer our own club, Manchester>> United is temporary no longer. Until the day we have our Club>> returned to us it shall be known as Glazer United>> .>> Malcolm Glazer is to United fans what Adolph Hitler was to Europe. The>> darkest of shadows now cast over Old Trafford, the once richest club>> in the world, a club of winning championships and seeking>> success now banished to HELL with Satan at the helm. His goal is to>> reap as much income as possible, regardless of where and how it is>> sought. Today the RED ARMY make the following requirements of the>> Glazer family: Deliver our club back to us, reinstate all that was>> before. Release all your shares back to the market. Protect yourself>> and your family as well as your associates and workers. Close>> immediately all ties with Manchester United and permanently stay away>> from Manchester United and all of its business. If you are willing to>> abide with our terms, then every employee at Old Trafford and the>> Carrington training camp will remain unharmed. In the meantime until>> our requirements are met, it has been considered that all your>> employees and their families are now our enemies. Any person, group,>> trust, organisation, business, sponsor or affiliate who in their>> support or structure, have to appropriate any business with you on the>> day to day running of Glazer United are now deemed enemies of the RED>> ARMY.>> These requirements are not open to negotiation or discussion. The>> Glazer family must act, and act immediately. They will hand back our>> Manchester United, or they will share in their fate.>>>> We also want to speak today directly to all Manchester United>> Supporters throughout the world. We welcome and respect your support>> from all the millions of RED ARMY followers, and by thousands more in>> countries that have supported Manchester United via television that we>> count as friends. We already have the support of our following>> from Norway, Arabia, South Africa to China, and Australia to>> Argentina. Our support has been good and peaceful, and for those who>> commit to our cause, to execute the removal of the evil Glazer family>> from Manchester are welcome to unleash their frustations and vent>> their anger for the Cause. The Irish duo of Magnus and Mangier are>> traitors to our faith, once trying to hijack United themselves, then>> to commit deceit, so treacherous an act that they have committed and>> is therefore deemed punishable. As for all others who sold out to>> Glazer you have made yourself a target for punishment. All of your>> daily interests and social activities are now under scrutiny and are>> marked to be attacked as you are now our enemy. We shall leave no>> stone unturned until these traitors are left to burn in Hell.>>>> The RED ARMY would like to make it clear; it is NOT our many American>> friends, which have become our enemy. For we have widespread support>> throughout America in our war on Glazer. Our enemy is the radical>> network of Glazer and his associates, and every organisation that has>> assisted him in acquiring our club.>> Our war on Glazer begins today, but it does not end overnight. It will>> not end until every piece of acquisition of Manchester United is>> handed back to the RED ARMY and Glazer defeated.>>>> People are asking, why do we hate him? We hate what we see right here>> as a capitalist venture for an individual that will ruin the English>> game of football not only for Manchester United but for>> smaller clubs in the lower leagues. Their leaders are self-appointed>> and not democratically elected, not allowing any input or a voice>> from the supporters The Glazer family hate the freedom of speech, you>> only have to ask the Season Ticket Holders of Tampa Bay>> Buccaneers. Malcolm Glazer took them to court and sued them. Can you>> imagine a European football club taking its own fan base to>> court? Our religion of United, our freedom of speech, our right to>> assemble and disagree with the board of directors is banished forever>> until we rid Manchester United of the Glazer family.>>>> People are asking: How will we fight and win this war? We will>> direct every resource at our command, every means of diplomacy, and>> every tool of intelligence, every instrument of law, every financial>> influence, and every necessary weapon of war, to the disruption and to>> the defeat of the Glazer network.>> This war will not be like the war of words and protest that have taken>> place in the past. We also believe it will not be a swift>> conclusion. In Manchester, the uprising has begun. This will move to>> Cardiff and other major cities in England; we will take this war to>> the capital cities of Europe. Glazer is counting on a major>> financial income from European sources which will be one of our main>> objectives. We are willing to allow Glazer United to be removed from>> Champions League football. Once this objective is successful,>> sponsorships will begin to dry and wither. All current sponsors, NIKE,>> Vodafone, Budweiser, Ladbrokes, Endsleigh Insurance, Dimension Data,>> PEPSI, Wilkinson Sword, AUDI, Fuji Film, and Century Radio are now>> legitimate targets of the RED ARMY. Let this be a warning to any other>> potential sponsor for Glazer United. Any person promoting or profiting>> from Glazer United will also be deemed the enemy and leave themselves>> open to attack. There will also include impromptu raids on people>> entering Old Trafford to support Glazer United. These>> raids though will only serve as a re education so that these people>> are aware of the RED ARMY cause. Other legitimate targets include>> all staff and employees and their families of Old Trafford, suppliers>> and their employees and families. This will also include any media>> entering Old Trafford.>>>> IF YOU WANT TO STAY IN GOOD HEALTH, DO NOT BE ASSOCIATED, CONNECTED OR>> WORK FOR GLAZER UNITED.>>>> Our response involves far more than instant retaliation and isolated>> strikes. Glazer United should not expect one battle, but a lengthy>> campaign, unlike any other that has been known in the world of>> sport. It may include dramatic strikes, visible on TV, and covert>> operations, secret even in success. We will starve Glazer of>> funding, turn them one against another, drive them from Old Trafford>> back to Florida, until there is no refuge. In addition, we will>> pursue associates of Glazer and those that sold us down the river that>> provided a path for Glazer to enter Manchester. Every>> supporter, in every region, in every nation around the World now has a>> decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the>> Glazer. From this day forward, any person or business that>> continues to support Glazer United will be regarded by the RED ARMY as>> a hostile.>>>> Our followers have been put on notice: That we are not immune from>> attack. We will take defensive measures against Glazer to protect our>> following. Today, 374 members of the MEC-RED ARMY have agreed in>> principal to the agreement to take up their stance and begin the war.>> These efforts are being coordinated at the highest level. As well as>> individual level as to confuse the authorities as much as possible.>> These measures are essential. But the only way to defeat Glazer as a>> threat to our history and future of Manchester United is to stop him,>> eliminate him, and destroy him while he has a grip on Manchester>> United.>>>> What is at stake is not just Manchester United's future. The whole>> future of the English football is at risk. This is civilization's>> fight against a greedy man, he is not entering Manchester as a hero>> saving a club from extinction; he cannot do what Manchester United was>> not doing already. He can only be here for one reason and that is to>> destroy the good name of English football. Does this man think that>> this is the best way to import soccer into America? He is so>> wrong; the American culture does not accept our game of football on a>> scale in comparison to their own sports of baseball and such likes.>>>> We ask every football fan to join us. We will ask, and we will need,>> the help of the real united fans from across the world. The RED ARMY>> is grateful that many of you here in the UK and many internationally>> organised have already responded, with sympathy and with support. With>> the conductance to not purchasing the merchandise associated with>> Glazer United or other products of these companies, Glazer shall feel>> the financial pressure, and we estimate that the indicators will show>> this by January 2006.>>>> Supporters are asking: What is expected of us? We only ask that you>> live your lives, and be ready to fight. We know many supporters have>> fears today, and we ask you to be calm and resolute, even in the face>> of a continuing menace of Malcolm Glazer. We ask you to uphold the>> values of the true and historical United fan, and remember why so>> many have been to Old Trafford in our glorious history. We are in a>> fight for our principles, and our first responsibility is to live by>> them. Only our enemies should be singled out for unfair treatment or>> unkind words because of their unethical business dealing with the>> Glazer family and the background to this takeover. Companies and>> employees such as J P Morgan, N M Rothschild, to name a few are>> all legitimate targets. We will not forget this wound to our club or>> those who inflicted it. We will not yield; we will not rest; we will>> not relent in waging this struggle for freedom and security for the>> RED ARMY to return home to a Glazer free Old Trafford.>>>> It is our hope that in the months, years ahead, that life will return>> to normal. When our own VE Day arrives we will go back to our home of>> Old Trafford and our Saturday routines, and that is good. Even>> grief recedes with time and grace. But our resolve must not pass. Each>> of us will remember what happened that day the 12th May, and to whom>> it happened. We'll remember the moment the news came, where we were>> and what we were doing. Some will remember an image of fire, or of>> news that felt like death. Some will carry memories of a game and a>> roaring voice gone forever.>>>> Today we thank our fellow RED ARMY followers for what you have>> already done and for what you will do. To the ladies and gentlemen of>> the formerly Manchester United, we thank you, for your>> representations and information that has put us in good stead for our>> War with Glazer United>> The course of this conflict is not known, yet its outcome is>> certain. For freedom and fear, justice and cruelty, have always been>> at war, and we know that God is not neutral between them.>>>> And, finally, please continue praying that one day soon Glazer and his>> family will leave Manchester and our great country. Prayer has>> comforted us in sorrow, and will help strengthen us for the journey>> ahead.>>>> Remember this; the Flower of Manchester belongs in our hearts not in>> the bank account of Malcolm Glazer.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Join the army! Travel the world, Meet interesting people, and kill>> them>>>>>>>> Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partner online.>>>>>>>> --------------------------------->> How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for>> FREE with Yahoo! Photos. Get Yahoo! Photos>>>> Join the army! Travel the world, Meet interesting people, and kill>> them>>>>>> Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partner online.>>>>>> --------------------------------->> How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for>> FREE with Yahoo! Photos. Get Yahoo! Photos>>>> --------------------------------->> Yahoo! Groups Links>>>> To visit your group on the web, go to:>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Manchester_United_2004/>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:>> Manchester_United_2004-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com>>>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of>> Service.>>>>>>>> Join the army! Travel the world, Meet interesting people, and kill>> them>>>>>> Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partneronline.>>>>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links>>>>>>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links>>>>

---------------------------------Yahoo! Groups Links

To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Manchester_United_2004/

To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:Manchester_United_2004-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

---------------------------------How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos. Get Yahoo! Photos

really gd point.but boy would i love to see beckham in the red of united again.

Preston Adams <preston_adams101@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:I am sure its just a rumor, I read the article on tribalfootball.com and am pretty certain that its nothing more than a flash in the pan. I am sure Glazer knows that if he buys beckham, the ppl will just dust their old Sharp shirts and wear them again, so no shirt sale boost :)- Preston

saikatbose06@imi.edu wrote:yeah glazer wants him back..he has already discussed the matter with SirAlex...who has said he has no problems if beckham comes back..even bechkamis reported to be happy hearing this....abt glazer he thinks..bechkam willbe his road towards earning more money (wut else does the fuckface thinkapart from money)....so glazer might even pitch in unreasonable amount forbeckham..coz perez has said he wont let go beckham off cheaply...

also there was a report in some forums that u might also see figo inunited..coz real does not want him..n glazer that idiot may think..figobeing a big brand will be a good signing...also some young U.S players mayalso land up in united...but that's a slim chance...

ciao..curtz.. born devil 'o'

> Oh god . . . . beckham back . . . we will be deader than dead !>>> -----Original Message-----> From: saikatbose06@imi.edu [mailto:saikatbose06@imi.edu]> Sent: 18 May 2005 03:08 PM> To: Manchester_United_2004@yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [Manchester_United_2004] WAR DECLARED ON GLAZER-MEC, RED> ARMY STATEMENT>> n who do u think glazer will be more interested in... may be a> rockstar...he can be sold in the US...or may be he'll bring jackie chan> to win over asian audience thinking that he's more popular than any> footballers...or yeah he may bring in any nfl or nba player...God knows> glazer with a zilch knowledge about football can really give such> idiotic ideas..>> ciao..> curtz.. born devil 'o'>> P.S. - Glazer wants beckham back...pray that he does not spend the whole> transfer money allocated on beckham...coz real definitely wont let him> go easily...coz perez like glazer only cares about money....>>>> hey guys.......>>>> i think its over ........glazer issue can be put to rest n i think the>> time has come to think abt the future................. the new signins>> .......transfer.n........ loads of stuff...........>>>> till then.........>>>> vichar hari>>>> P.S " TILL I LIVE " just came out of mind n its not going to be a>> cliche........>>>> Preston Adams <preston_adams101@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:>> "TILL I LIVE"???>> wow, we found a new cliche!!!:)>> Normally its "TILL I DIE">> but who's gonna argue with this dude, easier to shoot shakespeare thn>> argue with this guy. - Tejas>>>> vichar hari <vichie_87@yahoo.co.in> wrote:>> yeah yeah .......... i know .u can ignore me............but not my>> spirit .................>>>> hey deck ................... I AM AND I WiLL BE A MANCHESTER UNITED>> TILL I LIVE.>>>> till then...........>>>> vichar hari>>>> Preston Adams <preston_adams101@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:>> Oh hey, hi Donovan,>> Back after a long time, did you really go to Florida? Hey mate, I was>> counting on you to appear in Oregon News, alas! I guess you didnt use>> the address that I had posted it seems :) Anyways, coming to this>> vichar dude, seriously he needs to be a lot more circumspect before>> posting crap here. But yeah, I guess he's just another lurker, but you>> know Donovan, if we keep replying to his shit it will be like giving>> the guy attention, so lets just ignore him ok? - PA>>>> Dekock Donovan <Donovan.Dekock@process.glta.co.za> wrote:>> v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}o\:*>> {behavior:url(#default#VML);}w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}.shape>> {behavior:url(#default#VML);}st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }>> The only waste of time here is me reading your pathetic posts !>>>>>>>> U are not a United fan ,. . . so what the hell are you doing here !>>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------->>>>>> From: vichar hari [mailto:vichie_87@yahoo.co.in]>> Sent: 15 May 2005 04:33 PM>> To: Manchester_United_2004@yahoogroups.com>> Subject: Re: [Manchester_United_2004] WAR DECLARED ON GLAZER-MEC, RED>> ARMY STATEMENT>>>>>>>>>> cha cha ............>>>>>>>>>>>> a real waste of time typing this note..............>>>>>>>>>>>> till then ................>>>>>>>>>>>> vichar hari>>>>>>>>>> mec_red_army <mec_red_army@yahoo.com> wrote:>>>>>> STATEMENT FROM RED ARMY>>>> Today we the RED ARMY are supporters without a club and are called to>> defend our beloved history of Manchester United from Glazer and his>> associates. Our grief has turned to anger, and our anger has to be>> released. Whether we bring our enemies to justice, or bring justice to>> our enemies, justice will be done.>>>> On May 12, 2005, enemies of Red Army committed an act of war against>> us. The Glazer Family have known wars of soughts -- but for the past 2>> years, they have been wars of words and peaceful protests, except for>> the one that has now begun. The Glazer family have known the>> casualties of war, (Tampa Bay Season Ticket Holders). Here in United>> Kingdom we will not allow the hated Leprechaun to have a peaceful day,>> while him, his family and associates conduct their greedy>> business in our home of Old Trafford, a great stadium that has been>> erected to house our following and built with our money and support.>> In the world of business never before have thousands of civilians>> conducted revenge on a single business and lost. All of this was>> brought upon us in a single day, and night fell on a different world,>> a world where our club itself is no longer our own club, Manchester>> United is temporary no longer. Until the day we have our Club>> returned to us it shall be known as Glazer United>> .>> Malcolm Glazer is to United fans what Adolph Hitler was to Europe. The>> darkest of shadows now cast over Old Trafford, the once richest club>> in the world, a club of winning championships and seeking>> success now banished to HELL with Satan at the helm. His goal is to>> reap as much income as possible, regardless of where and how it is>> sought. Today the RED ARMY make the following requirements of the>> Glazer family: Deliver our club back to us, reinstate all that was>> before. Release all your shares back to the market. Protect yourself>> and your family as well as your associates and workers. Close>> immediately all ties with Manchester United and permanently stay away>> from Manchester United and all of its business. If you are willing to>> abide with our terms, then every employee at Old Trafford and the>> Carrington training camp will remain unharmed. In the meantime until>> our requirements are met, it has been considered that all your>> employees and their families are now our enemies. Any person, group,>> trust, organisation, business, sponsor or affiliate who in their>> support or structure, have to appropriate any business with you on the>> day to day running of Glazer United are now deemed enemies of the RED>> ARMY.>> These requirements are not open to negotiation or discussion. The>> Glazer family must act, and act immediately. They will hand back our>> Manchester United, or they will share in their fate.>>>> We also want to speak today directly to all Manchester United>> Supporters throughout the world. We welcome and respect your support>> from all the millions of RED ARMY followers, and by thousands more in>> countries that have supported Manchester United via television that we>> count as friends. We already have the support of our following>> from Norway, Arabia, South Africa to China, and Australia to>> Argentina. Our support has been good and peaceful, and for those who>> commit to our cause, to execute the removal of the evil Glazer family>> from Manchester are welcome to unleash their frustations and vent>> their anger for the Cause. The Irish duo of Magnus and Mangier are>> traitors to our faith, once trying to hijack United themselves, then>> to commit deceit, so treacherous an act that they have committed and>> is therefore deemed punishable. As for all others who sold out to>> Glazer you have made yourself a target for punishment. All of your>> daily interests and social activities are now under scrutiny and are>> marked to be attacked as you are now our enemy. We shall leave no>> stone unturned until these traitors are left to burn in Hell.>>>> The RED ARMY would like to make it clear; it is NOT our many American>> friends, which have become our enemy. For we have widespread support>> throughout America in our war on Glazer. Our enemy is the radical>> network of Glazer and his associates, and every organisation that has>> assisted him in acquiring our club.>> Our war on Glazer begins today, but it does not end overnight. It will>> not end until every piece of acquisition of Manchester United is>> handed back to the RED ARMY and Glazer defeated.>>>> People are asking, why do we hate him? We hate what we see right here>> as a capitalist venture for an individual that will ruin the English>> game of football not only for Manchester United but for>> smaller clubs in the lower leagues. Their leaders are self-appointed>> and not democratically elected, not allowing any input or a voice>> from the supporters The Glazer family hate the freedom of speech, you>> only have to ask the Season Ticket Holders of Tampa Bay>> Buccaneers. Malcolm Glazer took them to court and sued them. Can you>> imagine a European football club taking its own fan base to>> court? Our religion of United, our freedom of speech, our right to>> assemble and disagree with the board of directors is banished forever>> until we rid Manchester United of the Glazer family.>>>> People are asking: How will we fight and win this war? We will>> direct every resource at our command, every means of diplomacy, and>> every tool of intelligence, every instrument of law, every financial>> influence, and every necessary weapon of war, to the disruption and to>> the defeat of the Glazer network.>> This war will not be like the war of words and protest that have taken>> place in the past. We also believe it will not be a swift>> conclusion. In Manchester, the uprising has begun. This will move to>> Cardiff and other major cities in England; we will take this war to>> the capital cities of Europe. Glazer is counting on a major>> financial income from European sources which will be one of our main>> objectives. We are willing to allow Glazer United to be removed from>> Champions League football. Once this objective is successful,>> sponsorships will begin to dry and wither. All current sponsors, NIKE,>> Vodafone, Budweiser, Ladbrokes, Endsleigh Insurance, Dimension Data,>> PEPSI, Wilkinson Sword, AUDI, Fuji Film, and Century Radio are now>> legitimate targets of the RED ARMY. Let this be a warning to any other>> potential sponsor for Glazer United. Any person promoting or profiting>> from Glazer United will also be deemed the enemy and leave themselves>> open to attack. There will also include impromptu raids on people>> entering Old Trafford to support Glazer United. These>> raids though will only serve as a re education so that these people>> are aware of the RED ARMY cause. Other legitimate targets include>> all staff and employees and their families of Old Trafford, suppliers>> and their employees and families. This will also include any media>> entering Old Trafford.>>>> IF YOU WANT TO STAY IN GOOD HEALTH, DO NOT BE ASSOCIATED, CONNECTED OR>> WORK FOR GLAZER UNITED.>>>> Our response involves far more than instant retaliation and isolated>> strikes. Glazer United should not expect one battle, but a lengthy>> campaign, unlike any other that has been known in the world of>> sport. It may include dramatic strikes, visible on TV, and covert>> operations, secret even in success. We will starve Glazer of>> funding, turn them one against another, drive them from Old Trafford>> back to Florida, until there is no refuge. In addition, we will>> pursue associates of Glazer and those that sold us down the river that>> provided a path for Glazer to enter Manchester. Every>> supporter, in every region, in every nation around the World now has a>> decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the>> Glazer. From this day forward, any person or business that>> continues to support Glazer United will be regarded by the RED ARMY as>> a hostile.>>>> Our followers have been put on notice: That we are not immune from>> attack. We will take defensive measures against Glazer to protect our>> following. Today, 374 members of the MEC-RED ARMY have agreed in>> principal to the agreement to take up their stance and begin the war.>> These efforts are being coordinated at the highest level. As well as>> individual level as to confuse the authorities as much as possible.>> These measures are essential. But the only way to defeat Glazer as a>> threat to our history and future of Manchester United is to stop him,>> eliminate him, and destroy him while he has a grip on Manchester>> United.>>>> What is at stake is not just Manchester United's future. The whole>> future of the English football is at risk. This is civilization's>> fight against a greedy man, he is not entering Manchester as a hero>> saving a club from extinction; he cannot do what Manchester United was>> not doing already. He can only be here for one reason and that is to>> destroy the good name of English football. Does this man think that>> this is the best way to import soccer into America? He is so>> wrong; the American culture does not accept our game of football on a>> scale in comparison to their own sports of baseball and such likes.>>>> We ask every football fan to join us. We will ask, and we will need,>> the help of the real united fans from across the world. The RED ARMY>> is grateful that many of you here in the UK and many internationally>> organised have already responded, with sympathy and with support. With>> the conductance to not purchasing the merchandise associated with>> Glazer United or other products of these companies, Glazer shall feel>> the financial pressure, and we estimate that the indicators will show>> this by January 2006.>>>> Supporters are asking: What is expected of us? We only ask that you>> live your lives, and be ready to fight. We know many supporters have>> fears today, and we ask you to be calm and resolute, even in the face>> of a continuing menace of Malcolm Glazer. We ask you to uphold the>> values of the true and historical United fan, and remember why so>> many have been to Old Trafford in our glorious history. We are in a>> fight for our principles, and our first responsibility is to live by>> them. Only our enemies should be singled out for unfair treatment or>> unkind words because of their unethical business dealing with the>> Glazer family and the background to this takeover. Companies and>> employees such as J P Morgan, N M Rothschild, to name a few are>> all legitimate targets. We will not forget this wound to our club or>> those who inflicted it. We will not yield; we will not rest; we will>> not relent in waging this struggle for freedom and security for the>> RED ARMY to return home to a Glazer free Old Trafford.>>>> It is our hope that in the months, years ahead, that life will return>> to normal. When our own VE Day arrives we will go back to our home of>> Old Trafford and our Saturday routines, and that is good. Even>> grief recedes with time and grace. But our resolve must not pass. Each>> of us will remember what happened that day the 12th May, and to whom>> it happened. We'll remember the moment the news came, where we were>> and what we were doing. Some will remember an image of fire, or of>> news that felt like death. Some will carry memories of a game and a>> roaring voice gone forever.>>>> Today we thank our fellow RED ARMY followers for what you have>> already done and for what you will do. To the ladies and gentlemen of>> the formerly Manchester United, we thank you, for your>> representations and information that has put us in good stead for our>> War with Glazer United>> The course of this conflict is not known, yet its outcome is>> certain. For freedom and fear, justice and cruelty, have always been>> at war, and we know that God is not neutral between them.>>>> And, finally, please continue praying that one day soon Glazer and his>> family will leave Manchester and our great country. Prayer has>> comforted us in sorrow, and will help strengthen us for the journey>> ahead.>>>> Remember this; the Flower of Manchester belongs in our hearts not in>> the bank account of Malcolm Glazer.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Join the army! Travel the world, Meet interesting people, and kill>> them>>>>>>>> Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partner online.>>>>>>>> --------------------------------->> How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for>> FREE with Yahoo! Photos. Get Yahoo! Photos>>>> Join the army! Travel the world, Meet interesting people, and kill>> them>>>>>> Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partner online.>>>>>> --------------------------------->> How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for>> FREE with Yahoo! Photos. Get Yahoo! Photos>>>> --------------------------------->> Yahoo! Groups Links>>>> To visit your group on the web, go to:>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Manchester_United_2004/>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:>> Manchester_United_2004-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com>>>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of>> Service.>>>>>>>> Join the army! Travel the world, Meet interesting people, and kill>> them>>>>>> Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partneronline.>>>>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links>>>>>>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links>>>>

---------------------------------How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos. Get Yahoo! Photos

---------------------------------Yahoo! Groups Links

To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Manchester_United_2004/

To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:Manchester_United_2004-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com

Are you stupid or something?Beckham=Useless Wanker=United castoff=Madrid's misery manEver since Madrid bought Liar 23, they havent won a single silverware.Boy, simer its good that this is an unmoderated group, if you were on some other moderated one, I am sure you would have got a Red card for your comments here :)- Preston

simer narulla <re_mis@yahoo.com.sg> wrote:really gd point.but boy would i love to see beckham in the red of united again.

Preston Adams <preston_adams101@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:I am sure its just a rumor, I read the article on tribalfootball.com and am pretty certain that its nothing more than a flash in the pan. I am sure Glazer knows that if he buys beckham, the ppl will just dust their old Sharp shirts and wear them again, so no shirt sale boost :)- Preston

saikatbose06@imi.edu wrote:yeah glazer wants him back..he has already discussed the matter with SirAlex...who has said he has no problems if beckham comes back..even bechkamis reported to be happy hearing this....abt glazer he thinks..bechkam willbe his road towards earning more money (wut else does the fuckface thinkapart from money)....so glazer might even pitch in unreasonable amount forbeckham..coz perez has said he wont let go beckham off cheaply...

also there was a report in some forums that u might also see figo inunited..coz real does not want him..n glazer that idiot may think..figobeing a big brand will be a good signing...also some young U.S players mayalso land up in united...but that's a slim chance...

ciao..curtz.. born devil 'o'

> Oh god . . . . beckham back . . . we will be deader than dead !>>> -----Original Message-----> From: saikatbose06@imi.edu [mailto:saikatbose06@imi.edu]> Sent: 18 May 2005 03:08 PM> To: Manchester_United_2004@yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [Manchester_United_2004] WAR DECLARED ON GLAZER-MEC, RED> ARMY STATEMENT>> n who do u think glazer will be more interested in... may be a> rockstar...he can be sold in the US...or may be he'll bring jackie chan> to win over asian audience thinking that he's more popular than any> footballers...or yeah he may bring in any nfl or nba player...God knows> glazer with a zilch knowledge about football can really give such> idiotic ideas..>> ciao..> curtz.. born devil 'o'>> P.S. - Glazer wants beckham back...pray that he does not spend the whole> transfer money allocated on beckham...coz real definitely wont let him> go easily...coz perez like glazer only cares about money....>>>> hey guys.......>>>> i think its over ........glazer issue can be put to rest n i think the>> time has come to think abt the future................. the new signins>> .......transfer.n........ loads of stuff...........>>>> till then.........>>>> vichar hari>>>> P.S " TILL I LIVE " just came out of mind n its not going to be a>> cliche........>>>> Preston Adams <preston_adams101@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:>> "TILL I LIVE"???>> wow, we found a new cliche!!!:)>> Normally its "TILL I DIE">> but who's gonna argue with this dude, easier to shoot shakespeare thn>> argue with this guy. - Tejas>>>> vichar hari <vichie_87@yahoo.co.in> wrote:>> yeah yeah .......... i know .u can ignore me............but not my>> spirit .................>>>> hey deck ................... I AM AND I WiLL BE A MANCHESTER UNITED>> TILL I LIVE.>>>> till then...........>>>> vichar hari>>>> Preston Adams <preston_adams101@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:>> Oh hey, hi Donovan,>> Back after a long time, did you really go to Florida? Hey mate, I was>> counting on you to appear in Oregon News, alas! I guess you didnt use>> the address that I had posted it seems :) Anyways, coming to this>> vichar dude, seriously he needs to be a lot more circumspect before>> posting crap here. But yeah, I guess he's just another lurker, but you>> know Donovan, if we keep replying to his shit it will be like giving>> the guy attention, so lets just ignore him ok? - PA>>>> Dekock Donovan <Donovan.Dekock@process.glta.co.za> wrote:>> v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}o\:*>> {behavior:url(#default#VML);}w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}.shape>> {behavior:url(#default#VML);}st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }>> The only waste of time here is me reading your pathetic posts !>>>>>>>> U are not a United fan ,. . . so what the hell are you doing here !>>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------->>>>>> From: vichar hari [mailto:vichie_87@yahoo.co.in]>> Sent: 15 May 2005 04:33 PM>> To: Manchester_United_2004@yahoogroups.com>> Subject: Re: [Manchester_United_2004] WAR DECLARED ON GLAZER-MEC, RED>> ARMY STATEMENT>>>>>>>>>> cha cha ............>>>>>>>>>>>> a real waste of time typing this note..............>>>>>>>>>>>> till then ................>>>>>>>>>>>> vichar hari>>>>>>>>>> mec_red_army <mec_red_army@yahoo.com> wrote:>>>>>> STATEMENT FROM RED ARMY>>>> Today we the RED ARMY are supporters without a club and are called to>> defend our beloved history of Manchester United from Glazer and his>> associates. Our grief has turned to anger, and our anger has to be>> released. Whether we bring our enemies to justice, or bring justice to>> our enemies, justice will be done.>>>> On May 12, 2005, enemies of Red Army committed an act of war against>> us. The Glazer Family have known wars of soughts -- but for the past 2>> years, they have been wars of words and peaceful protests, except for>> the one that has now begun. The Glazer family have known the>> casualties of war, (Tampa Bay Season Ticket Holders). Here in United>> Kingdom we will not allow the hated Leprechaun to have a peaceful day,>> while him, his family and associates conduct their greedy>> business in our home of Old Trafford, a great stadium that has been>> erected to house our following and built with our money and support.>> In the world of business never before have thousands of civilians>> conducted revenge on a single business and lost. All of this was>> brought upon us in a single day, and night fell on a different world,>> a world where our club itself is no longer our own club, Manchester>> United is temporary no longer. Until the day we have our Club>> returned to us it shall be known as Glazer United>> .>> Malcolm Glazer is to United fans what Adolph Hitler was to Europe. The>> darkest of shadows now cast over Old Trafford, the once richest club>> in the world, a club of winning championships and seeking>> success now banished to HELL with Satan at the helm. His goal is to>> reap as much income as possible, regardless of where and how it is>> sought. Today the RED ARMY make the following requirements of the>> Glazer family: Deliver our club back to us, reinstate all that was>> before. Release all your shares back to the market. Protect yourself>> and your family as well as your associates and workers. Close>> immediately all ties with Manchester United and permanently stay away>> from Manchester United and all of its business. If you are willing to>> abide with our terms, then every employee at Old Trafford and the>> Carrington training camp will remain unharmed. In the meantime until>> our requirements are met, it has been considered that all your>> employees and their families are now our enemies. Any person, group,>> trust, organisation, business, sponsor or affiliate who in their>> support or structure, have to appropriate any business with you on the>> day to day running of Glazer United are now deemed enemies of the RED>> ARMY.>> These requirements are not open to negotiation or discussion. The>> Glazer family must act, and act immediately. They will hand back our>> Manchester United, or they will share in their fate.>>>> We also want to speak today directly to all Manchester United>> Supporters throughout the world. We welcome and respect your support>> from all the millions of RED ARMY followers, and by thousands more in>> countries that have supported Manchester United via television that we>> count as friends. We already have the support of our following>> from Norway, Arabia, South Africa to China, and Australia to>> Argentina. Our support has been good and peaceful, and for those who>> commit to our cause, to execute the removal of the evil Glazer family>> from Manchester are welcome to unleash their frustations and vent>> their anger for the Cause. The Irish duo of Magnus and Mangier are>> traitors to our faith, once trying to hijack United themselves, then>> to commit deceit, so treacherous an act that they have committed and>> is therefore deemed punishable. As for all others who sold out to>> Glazer you have made yourself a target for punishment. All of your>> daily interests and social activities are now under scrutiny and are>> marked to be attacked as you are now our enemy. We shall leave no>> stone unturned until these traitors are left to burn in Hell.>>>> The RED ARMY would like to make it clear; it is NOT our many American>> friends, which have become our enemy. For we have widespread support>> throughout America in our war on Glazer. Our enemy is the radical>> network of Glazer and his associates, and every organisation that has>> assisted him in acquiring our club.>> Our war on Glazer begins today, but it does not end overnight. It will>> not end until every piece of acquisition of Manchester United is>> handed back to the RED ARMY and Glazer defeated.>>>> People are asking, why do we hate him? We hate what we see right here>> as a capitalist venture for an individual that will ruin the English>> game of football not only for Manchester United but for>> smaller clubs in the lower leagues. Their leaders are self-appointed>> and not democratically elected, not allowing any input or a voice>> from the supporters The Glazer family hate the freedom of speech, you>> only have to ask the Season Ticket Holders of Tampa Bay>> Buccaneers. Malcolm Glazer took them to court and sued them. Can you>> imagine a European football club taking its own fan base to>> court? Our religion of United, our freedom of speech, our right to>> assemble and disagree with the board of directors is banished forever>> until we rid Manchester United of the Glazer family.>>>> People are asking: How will we fight and win this war? We will>> direct every resource at our command, every means of diplomacy, and>> every tool of intelligence, every instrument of law, every financial>> influence, and every necessary weapon of war, to the disruption and to>> the defeat of the Glazer network.>> This war will not be like the war of words and protest that have taken>> place in the past. We also believe it will not be a swift>> conclusion. In Manchester, the uprising has begun. This will move to>> Cardiff and other major cities in England; we will take this war to>> the capital cities of Europe. Glazer is counting on a major>> financial income from European sources which will be one of our main>> objectives. We are willing to allow Glazer United to be removed from>> Champions League football. Once this objective is successful,>> sponsorships will begin to dry and wither. All current sponsors, NIKE,>> Vodafone, Budweiser, Ladbrokes, Endsleigh Insurance, Dimension Data,>> PEPSI, Wilkinson Sword, AUDI, Fuji Film, and Century Radio are now>> legitimate targets of the RED ARMY. Let this be a warning to any other>> potential sponsor for Glazer United. Any person promoting or profiting>> from Glazer United will also be deemed the enemy and leave themselves>> open to attack. There will also include impromptu raids on people>> entering Old Trafford to support Glazer United. These>> raids though will only serve as a re education so that these people>> are aware of the RED ARMY cause. Other legitimate targets include>> all staff and employees and their families of Old Trafford, suppliers>> and their employees and families. This will also include any media>> entering Old Trafford.>>>> IF YOU WANT TO STAY IN GOOD HEALTH, DO NOT BE ASSOCIATED, CONNECTED OR>> WORK FOR GLAZER UNITED.>>>> Our response involves far more than instant retaliation and isolated>> strikes. Glazer United should not expect one battle, but a lengthy>> campaign, unlike any other that has been known in the world of>> sport. It may include dramatic strikes, visible on TV, and covert>> operations, secret even in success. We will starve Glazer of>> funding, turn them one against another, drive them from Old Trafford>> back to Florida, until there is no refuge. In addition, we will>> pursue associates of Glazer and those that sold us down the river that>> provided a path for Glazer to enter Manchester. Every>> supporter, in every region, in every nation around the World now has a>> decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the>> Glazer. From this day forward, any person or business that>> continues to support Glazer United will be regarded by the RED ARMY as>> a hostile.>>>> Our followers have been put on notice: That we are not immune from>> attack. We will take defensive measures against Glazer to protect our>> following. Today, 374 members of the MEC-RED ARMY have agreed in>> principal to the agreement to take up their stance and begin the war.>> These efforts are being coordinated at the highest level. As well as>> individual level as to confuse the authorities as much as possible.>> These measures are essential. But the only way to defeat Glazer as a>> threat to our history and future of Manchester United is to stop him,>> eliminate him, and destroy him while he has a grip on Manchester>> United.>>>> What is at stake is not just Manchester United's future. The whole>> future of the English football is at risk. This is civilization's>> fight against a greedy man, he is not entering Manchester as a hero>> saving a club from extinction; he cannot do what Manchester United was>> not doing already. He can only be here for one reason and that is to>> destroy the good name of English football. Does this man think that>> this is the best way to import soccer into America? He is so>> wrong; the American culture does not accept our game of football on a>> scale in comparison to their own sports of baseball and such likes.>>>> We ask every football fan to join us. We will ask, and we will need,>> the help of the real united fans from across the world. The RED ARMY>> is grateful that many of you here in the UK and many internationally>> organised have already responded, with sympathy and with support. With>> the conductance to not purchasing the merchandise associated with>> Glazer United or other products of these companies, Glazer shall feel>> the financial pressure, and we estimate that the indicators will show>> this by January 2006.>>>> Supporters are asking: What is expected of us? We only ask that you>> live your lives, and be ready to fight. We know many supporters have>> fears today, and we ask you to be calm and resolute, even in the face>> of a continuing menace of Malcolm Glazer. We ask you to uphold the>> values of the true and historical United fan, and remember why so>> many have been to Old Trafford in our glorious history. We are in a>> fight for our principles, and our first responsibility is to live by>> them. Only our enemies should be singled out for unfair treatment or>> unkind words because of their unethical business dealing with the>> Glazer family and the background to this takeover. Companies and>> employees such as J P Morgan, N M Rothschild, to name a few are>> all legitimate targets. We will not forget this wound to our club or>> those who inflicted it. We will not yield; we will not rest; we will>> not relent in waging this struggle for freedom and security for the>> RED ARMY to return home to a Glazer free Old Trafford.>>>> It is our hope that in the months, years ahead, that life will return>> to normal. When our own VE Day arrives we will go back to our home of>> Old Trafford and our Saturday routines, and that is good. Even>> grief recedes with time and grace. But our resolve must not pass. Each>> of us will remember what happened that day the 12th May, and to whom>> it happened. We'll remember the moment the news came, where we were>> and what we were doing. Some will remember an image of fire, or of>> news that felt like death. Some will carry memories of a game and a>> roaring voice gone forever.>>>> Today we thank our fellow RED ARMY followers for what you have>> already done and for what you will do. To the ladies and gentlemen of>> the formerly Manchester United, we thank you, for your>> representations and information that has put us in good stead for our>> War with Glazer United>> The course of this conflict is not known, yet its outcome is>> certain. For freedom and fear, justice and cruelty, have always been>> at war, and we know that God is not neutral between them.>>>> And, finally, please continue praying that one day soon Glazer and his>> family will leave Manchester and our great country. Prayer has>> comforted us in sorrow, and will help strengthen us for the journey>> ahead.>>>> Remember this; the Flower of Manchester belongs in our hearts not in>> the bank account of Malcolm Glazer.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Join the army! Travel the world, Meet interesting people, and kill>> them>>>>>>>> Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partner online.>>>>>>>> --------------------------------->> How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for>> FREE with Yahoo! Photos. Get Yahoo! Photos>>>> Join the army! Travel the world, Meet interesting people, and kill>> them>>>>>> Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partner online.>>>>>> --------------------------------->> How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for>> FREE with Yahoo! Photos. Get Yahoo! Photos>>>> --------------------------------->> Yahoo! Groups Links>>>> To visit your group on the web, go to:>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Manchester_United_2004/>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:>> Manchester_United_2004-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com>>>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of>> Service.>>>>>>>> Join the army! Travel the world, Meet interesting people, and kill>> them>>>>>> Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partneronline.>>>>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links>>>>>>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links>>>>