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Hi,
Thanks to Josh for starting this discussion. I think that you summarized
most arguments very well in your mail.
Am 12.10.2011 23:39, schrieb Josh Triplett:
> Not every system needs an MTA, and I'd argue that today most systems
> don't. End-user systems (desktops, laptops) typically handle mail via
> one or more smarthosts elsewhere, driven by MUAs that know how to talk
> SMTP. Other tools which send mail have learned to send SMTP as well,
> and tools that cannot still have the option of recommending or depending
> on an MTA without needing one in standard. And many servers don't need
> an MTA either, unless they run programs which need to send mail by
> calling sendmail.
I agree with the counter-arguments in this thread, that a default UNIX
server setup should contain an MTA. This also is true for desktop
systems of advanced UNIX sysadmins.
But if Debian cares about desktop users which don't know the internals
of a Linux/UNIX system, we need to accept that they have a very
different vision of a default installation. For them a system should be
kept easy, with as few daemons as possible. For them things like power
consumption and RAM usage of default systems count much more than
whether the system has all required elements of a standard UNIX system.
I suggest that there is no "one size fits all" for servers, desktops and
mobile systems. Either we distingush between different needs, or we
focus on one target user group. In case we want a "universal operating
system", we need to provide _different_ sane defaults depending on the
needs.
Why not use tasksel for this? It should be easy to introduce a basic
server task which contains things like default MTA, SSH server, etc.
while a basic desktop task doesn't.
To make my point clear: I'm much in favour of supporting default
installations without a MTA.
Regards,
jonas
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