While tide turned quite some time ago, the movements taking place in our world for true freedom, peace and abundance for all are continuing to grow and converge. Part of this convergence has been a unification of former U.S. Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney and former CIA spy Robert Steele to call for and help co-create a peaceful American (and global) revolution against the forces that foment war, poverty, division and destruction. With both people having spent substantial time inside “The System,” McKinney and Steele offer a unique perspective and inspire a vision for a truly free, healthy and abundant world for all. With the current “System” standing in the way of such a world, which is controlled by the Deep State, McKinney and Steele are taking a different route to try and create a peaceful revolution.

Their latest tactic they are about to launch will be one of teaming up with a broad range of politicians, activists and world leaders, to create a movement that has nothing to do with the “Two-Party” scam that is holding the United States hostage. It will be a movement that draws from the concepts of Open-Source movements, decentralized political actions and decisions and much more.

Yesterday, Robert Steele and Cynthia McKinney released their new manifesto, both free online and also a Kindle Short. #UNRIG: Beyond Trump & Sanders may be the most sensible, revolutionary, cosmic document to be published since Martin Luther King’s “I have a dream,” with one big difference: in just sixteen pages – the last three offering 38 linked references by Steele (McKinney wrote the Foreword)– Steele and McKinney have outlined a simple, inexpensive game plan for restoring integrity to the US election process and thence to the US government, economy, and society. I was able to interview both of them.

Dr. McKinney, you are the experienced political leader – what led you to embrace Robert Steele’s idea for election reform?

Well, I introduced the Voter’s Choice Act when I was in Congress and have always known our system is rigged. I lost my seat to very deliberate gerrymandering organized by Zionists furious over my support of the Palestinian people. Serious election reform legislation has been introduced in the House nine times, four of those times by Ron Paul. I have known of Robert since 2008 and I met him in 2009. In the time I have known him he has not only convinced me that he is authentic – a true patriot who believes in transparency, truth, and trust. His work is notable in that he is able to pull together the best ideas from thousands of people because he is also a prolific reader. As a result, he offers an integrated Election Reform Act summarized by the core graphic below, Robert’s Manifesto:

As good as Robert’s ideas are – and he tells me every day they are not his ideas but the best ideas aggregated from many others — Robert believes that his Manifesto would not be possible if it had not been for Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders in combination. Robert believes that they helped a majority of the public to understand that we live in rigged system where terms like Deep State, False Flag, and Fake News – easily suppressed in the past by the complicit mainstream media – are now at the forefront of the public’s consciousness. And on this, I agree with him. This is why I join Robert in saying that we thank them for opening this door of opportunity through which we must now step through so that the people can take back their power as soon as possible. Robert credits you with both the wording of the logo for We the People – Unity for Integrity – and with attempting to bring African-American community leaders together with Alt Right leaders.

You feature the Deep State as the common enemy. What is the value proposition that you and Robert and your third co-founder Ellen Brown are offering?

Peter Dale Scott, who was on my PhD committee and is a dear friend and respected mentor to me, wrote the original book The American Deep State: Big Money, Big Oil, and the Struggle for U.S. Democracy, first published in 2010. Scott, who also is a scholar at the U.S. drug trade, U.S. war policy, and U.S. political assassination policy, is the foremost scholar documenting the manner in which financial families control our government and the world economy, one central bank at a time. The military-industrial complex, big oil, organized crime, the two-party tyranny, secret intelligence and militarized police all come together to comprise the Deep State, making everyone its servant. What Robert has done is make the Deep State meme central to the Alt-Right world, and now that meme is moving out to other communities.

The core value proposition that we are offering is rooted in my experience during the Civil Rights Movement where people were able to come together and make change in this country– to take back control of their communities and to transform themselves and others in the process. I believe that is possible once again. However, it’s not only possible, it’s imperative because the U.S. itself is up for grabs and somebody’s going to get it. Will it be We the People or will it be that faction of the Deep State that doesn’t care one whit about us or the United States? That is the question. In that context, if Donald Trump were to take on the Deep State, then he would be a friend of the progressives – the Sandernistas, the Independents, the small parties, as well as a champion around the world. One can be President of the United States or one can be viewed as a champion for the world. I did coin the phrase Unity for Integrity – where Robert and I are one is in suggesting to the 99% that we all agree that the Deep State is our common enemy and election reform is one common solution. I would like to see an end to the regime change wars– also something that Trump commented positively about in his campaign for the Presidency, only to flip flop after the Inauguration. What Robert and I are doing is 1) setting an example for others– and that’s very important for others to see two people from vastly different walks of life able to come together to save this country from the Deep State; and 2) reminding the President that he can unite the people around his campaign promises and by taking the fight to The Deep State, or we can unite ourselves and take appropriate action around his failure to keep those promises.

We are proposing that the 99% resist the efforts of George Soros and others in the Deep State who are seeking to divide and conquer, and that we come together in unity for integrity. I agree with Robert that because of Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders, there is a window of opportunity, this summer when Congress is in recess and Members cannot avoid their constituents, We the People should let them know that we intend to take back the power that is rightfully ours.

Robert, you have always been about intelligence reform. When did you start thinking about electoral reform?

Around 2004 I was working with Jock Gill and Tom Atlee, and realized that intelligence reform was not possible without election reform. Never mind that we have a largely worthless secret intelligence community, portions of which are predatory – spying on and blackmailing our politicians and judges, assassinating innocents with drones, torturing with impunity – the fact is that even if we had a perfect intelligence community able to provide decision support on all threats across all policies, the intelligence would be ignored. As long as Washington DC is a “pay to play” environment where 40 billionaires are known to own the two-party tyranny – my attack logo is below – election reform is “root.” This view of mine was further confirmed in 2014 when Tom Steyer admitted that $74 million spent on the climate change issue had yielded no results. No issue will ever get an honest hearing; no government decision will ever be evidence-based; until we achieve election reform. Then Occupy happened, and in 2011 I took my ideas to them in a six-minute video that went viral when it made the front page of Reddit.

That led to my running briefly for president, one of three accepted by the Reform Party, and it was that experience that showed me with great clarity what I had not known before: that there are eight accredited political parties in the USA, six of them blocked from ballot access by the two-party tyranny, and all Independents are completely shut out as well. The below graphic is the one I have sent to Donald Trump via surrogates trying to show him that he must create a power base that is larger than the 30% controlled by the “Establishment” that is so against him.

Put simply, what is your objective?

Our objective is to restore integrity to how we elect our representatives, and in so doing restore Article 1 of the Constitution and the relationship between the public and the elected representatives. Today the Members work for one of the two parties in power, not for their constituents. Few realize that Newt Gingrich is the person that destroyed what integrity was left in our bi-partisan Congress. He turned the Members into foot-soldiers for their party, totally dependent on the party for salaries, staff, and committee assignments. That story is told by John Barry in The Ambition and the Power: The Fall of Jim Wright: A True Story of Washington.

Again, at its most simple, by what methods do you propose to achieve this revolution over the coming summer months?

I myself will not achieve anything. While Cynthia and I are interviewing some potential managers of a 501c4 and a 527 – Quantum Communications with Ed Rollins is at the top of my list – and we have Russ Verney, who managed United We Stand for Ross Perot tapped as our campaign manager – only the public can make this revolution. If this idea goes viral, I don’t need to do anything at all, but of course I will gladly make the rounds speaking to the common threat and the common solution, if invited to do so. #UNRIG is a very powerful hashtag.

I propose that the Alt-Right and Alt-Left come together at the Congressional district level, with people of color, Latinos, Greens, Libertarians, other small parties, and of course the 50% who are Independent or No Party Preference, and talk about the Election Reform Act of 2017. If they agree that this makes sense, then they should plan to occupy the home offices and front lawns of their Member of Congress – and their Senator if resident in their district – and present the Statement of Demand I provide, and the Integrity Pledge that Jim Turner inspired me to develop. If the Member signs the pledge, we hold them to it in September. If they refuse to do so, then the constituents should mobilize to destroy that Member’s career and replace them with someone who does sign the pledge. Both incumbents and aspirants for office should be required to sign the Integrity Pledge.

In theory, if this idea takes off it should not be difficult to raise $25 million for 90 days of intensive public education and mobilization. In theory, we should even be able to raise a billion dollars – 100 million voters giving $10, 50 million voters giving $20, 25 million voters giving $40. This is not money I want to touch – it needs to be properly channeled into a 501c4 and a 527. My role as an educator ends with the publication of the manifesto.

Robert, as you have championed the Electoral Reform Act since 2012, what has surprised you the most?

First, let me say that the Act has evolved since 2012. I am constantly delighted when citizens write in and point out things I did not know, for example, that Congressional Districts are based on all adults including foreigners and illegal immigrants, not just eligible voters. What has surprised me most is the degree of international interest in these ideas. The leadership of the United Kingdom Independence Party (UKIP) has engaged, and fully a third of the donations to the educational non-profit are from outside the USA. Australia, Canada, France, the Netherlands – there is a growing understanding that the Deep State is everywhere and election reform is the common solution. Integrity is what the 99% wants everywhere, not just here.

The cover of your manifesto features you and Cynthia McKinney in what looks remarkably like a 2020 campaign banner. Will you run as a ticket in 2020?

The short answer is probably not. My goal is to get a swing vote into Congress with the passage of the Election Reform Act of 2017 and honest elections in 2018. Donald Trump is our legitimately elected president and all things being equal I would rather support him in both his first term and a second term if he does not self-destruct. If Mike Pence steals the White House from Donald Trump with help from the Deep State, I will absolutely run for president in 2020 and I would be honored if Cynthia McKinney cared to be co-president. I call myself a Chief Enabling Officer (CeO). The days of electing one person with 27% of the eligible votes and then having that person “decide” everything are over.

The next president needs to be a den mother, not an executive. The next president needs to stand for one thing and one thing only: systemic integrity and evidence-based decision-making in the public interest – the one original idea in the election reform act that is truly my own is that which requires that each candidate name a coalition cabinet in advance of election day, which makes cabinet-level debates possible. America needs to elect a team with a holistic vision backed up by a balanced budget, also announced in advance of Election Day.

I am very worried about Donald Trump’s health. He is surrounded by traitors and mediocrities. I am not giving up on him, he is one of the smartest, hardest- working presidents we have ever had, and I know he can unrig the system if he connects with those of us that know how to do that.

My bottom line: I would rather help Donald Trump be the greatest president in modern history, achieving peace and prosperity for all. If he will not take my hand, then we move on, as the sub-title says, Beyond Trump & Sanders.

God Bless Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders. They made it possible for my voice, and Cynthia’s voice, and many other voices, to finally be heard.

#UNRIG.Seize the day or be a slave for the rest of your life. It’s crunch time.

Who else would you like to come on board with this movement, in terms of well known names?

Thank you both for your time and all the best to you on your endeavor.

Robert Steele and Cynthia McKinney’s new manifesto #UNRIG: Beyond Trump & Sanders is both free online and also a Kindle Short.

Dr. Cynthia McKinney has been elected six times to the U.S. House of Representatives from Georgia and was the 2008 Green Party nominee for President of the United States. She is an activist against war and for human rights.

Robert David Steele is a former spy and co-founder of the Marine Corps Intelligence Center who created the Open Source Intelligence movement and more recently the Open Source Everything Engineering movement. He was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize in the 2017 cycle.

Lance Schuttler graduated from the University of Iowa with a degree in Health Science. He is passionate about holistic and naturopathic medicine as well as helping to bring awareness to an efficient, sustainable and health-promoting transition that our world’s current socio-economic model is rapidly undergoing.

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