Dudley: Just a general comment- any line where white fianchettos his QB to oppose blacks KB fianchetto is touchy for white to handle because blacks KB is protected by his king, and white's bishop is usually en prise. This creates dangerous surprise tactics with double attacks, etc. Black moves his f6 knight and attacks something, and the poor b2 bishop gets snapped up.As an acc dragon player, I definitely do not fear an opposing fianchetto- I dislike playing against the closed Sicilian much more.

morostyle: hi all iam asking all the e4 players 2 questions. 1)its harder for you guys to play against the pirc defense or the sicilian dragon accelerated fiancetto? 2)in wich defense white has the better attack? pirc or sicilian dragon acceleratd fiancetoo? thanks all

Dudley: <The OddFella> Yes it is very good as an accelerated dragon reference. Silman hasn't written too many opening books but this opening is a particular favorite that he played himself and it is pretty detailed. Also covers anti-sicilians. <morostyle> If you want a line where you can leave your king in the center (very strange) then the accelerated dragon is definitely not it. One of the attractive features of the defense is that Black can and should castle king side in relative safety. Some people who play the Pirc seem to think they can go without castling but they're usually wrong.

morostyle: ok dudley have to think bout my king in the middle but i just think its flexible more in the middle for example in endgames and i just want him as early as possible (cause of the endgames) right from the begining also iam saving a move !!! and white has a tempo right form the begining maybe i can equalize with that king staying in the middle one tempo maybe i just try to improve my game as black with white i have no probs

Dudley: Probably that Black can later gain time on the queen by something like ...Rb8,...Bd7. 8...Ng8 is safer, intending to recycle the knight with ...Nh6, ...Nf5 and attacking the e5 pawn with ...d6 or ...f6.

Dudley: Possibly, but its's pretty hard to run a decent wing attack when the center is falling apart (referring to the Ng8 retreat). I dont't think that Nd5 is that good of a move- it is a !? or ?! kind of move.

vampiero: the thing is i have the accerlated Dragon dvd by Bad Bishop and they guy says that the pawn sacrifice gives black strong counterplay, it jsut seems that by the time blacks development is done and ready for an attack, white could easily have finished and set its defense, or possibly have already started a counter-attack.

FICSwoodpusher: How about an acclerated dragon in the following move order:
1. e4 g6 2. d4 Bg7 3. Nc3 c5 ?
I have not played this opening before, I have been told that the idea is for black to get in d5 in one move. How is this achieved?

FICSwoodpusher: <mack> I have seen this opening before and that is indeed how the game could go. What I had in mind with the above line was a transposition to the accelerated dragon sicilian.

1. e4 g6 2. d4 Bg7 3. Nc3 c5 4. Nf3 cxd for example. What I want to know is how black is able to play d5 in one move instead of first playing d6 and then later d5. I don't know if this is possible since I can't remember where I saw this claim being made.

jjp: If white fails to control the d5 square with his light square Bishop or his c pawn then black can develop and play d5 in one move I.e.. 1. e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 g6 5.Nc3 Bg7 6.Be3 Nf6 7.Be2 0-0 8.0-0 d5 (=). Black can also play d5 in one move if he winds up with a slight lead in development and would benefit from the open lines I.e, 1. e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 g6 5.Nc3 Bg7 6.Be3 Nf6 7.Bc4 0-0 8.Bb3 a5 9. f3 d5. (Which is one of the mainlines). That being said doesn’t your move order allow white a great deal of flexibility? What about 3. c4 are you going to play some sort of Benoni the Maroczy bind or pick a different system?

FICSwoodpusher: <jjp> The idea is that after 1. e4 g6 2. d4 Bg7 3. Nc3 c5 white can no longer move the c pawn. If instead 1. e4 g6 2. d4 Bg7 3. Nf3 ... I have the option of not playing c5. Instead I might go for a more flexible system such as 3. ... d6.

jjp: Kriegspiel
I know your question wasn’t directed at me, but I am going to answer it anyway. White can play 1.e4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.Nf3 c5 4.c4. This position is given in Donaldson and Silman’s Accelerated Dragons as a line coming from the Hyper-Accelerated Dragon. Attempts to avoid the Maroczy’s Bind most notably 4.Qb6 do not seem to give black better wining chances then the mainlines of the Maroczy. Then again, I am using an outdated source for this analysis and there could be new developments in this line. I agree with FICSwoodpusher’s attempts to use the non-Maroczy lines of the Accelerated Dragon to form part of a repertoire for black, (he has indicated that he will only attempt to transpose into the accelerated dragon if white plays Nc3). The Maroczy’s Bind is a very drawish opening. Unless white blunders black should not be able to win.

Kriegspiel: <jjp> That's fine, it was really a general question to all parties (especially those involved in the recent exchange regarding this question) but I thought I might have better chances for a reply if it was directed toward one of them, and <FICSwoodpusher> had initiated the thread of discussion.

It may simply be that I don't have enough experience, but for some reason openings of this sort where White has pawns on e4 and c4 but no d-pawn, don't seem to me as problematic as those where he has a united pawn front giving him flexibility in the advance of various members of a coherent line of pawns.

<The Maroczy Bind is a very drawish opening. Unless White blunders Black should not be able to win.>

Well, at the risk of being facile, isn't every opening a theoretical draw unless one side or the other blunders? The question is, does the opening lend itself more to a closed game and positional play, or an open game and more immediate tactical maneuvering, and which suits one's taste? The Maroczy bind is almost a middle course, because, while White has control over the d5 square, he doesn't have a full classical pawn center either.

Having said that, I don't think it is necessary (or perhaps desirable) to transpose to an Accelerated Dragon in such a case -- in the further sense of the opening, that is. If Black is opening 1...g6 2...Bg7 then White has the option of the Maroczy bind regardless. So, for me it isn't a question of stopping White so much as a question of how Black is to reply. Offhand, giving myself control over d4 as well as an egress for the queen and more room for queenside development with an early ...c5 doesn't seem like such a bad idea.

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