However, a comment from Fross cuts to the chase (methinks Fross is not long for UD!) † † † †

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two words:

Lee Strobel.

Letís assume these guys want a purely scientific debate. Having Lee Strobel on the bill makes it look like a religious seminar aimed at trying to make their views seem scientific. The guy is 100% a Christian apologist and a strict Bible literalist.

Erm, Fross, it's your side that's organised this debate!

Oh, Fross went off script a couple times yesterday. Check out this comment (in part): † †

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Would something like dog breeding be considered ID? (and therefore something like eugenics?)

TTBOMK, †Fross had always been on our side. (s)he has 43 posts here, the last one being on page 466.