Cop should be fired on the spot. His sergeant that advised him to go ahead with it should also be fired. His partner who agreed with him should be fired. Every cop that watched this unfold and had no problem with it should be fired.

This shit will never, ever be fixed unless this blue wall authoritah bullshit gets purged from any given precinct. If there's a cop like this on the force and he still has a job then that's a cultural problem in his entire precinct. He's not just one bad apple. There's an entire system and culture around him in that precinct that enables if not supports him.

If an ER nurse has a better grasp of the law and the Constitution then you do, you shouldn't be a fucking cop. If her demonstrating to you that she has a better grasp of the law and Constitution then you do makes you snap and assault her like the limp dicked man child you are you shouldn't be a fucking cop.

Oh the cops in Salt Lake City have done a far worse thing than beat up a nurse. There is a retired sheriff of SLC that has been for years investigating a case where his son in law was killed by the SLC SWAT team. Basically, the sheriff's son in law was hold up in a car claiming he was going to kill himself, then the SWAT team unloaded rounds upon rounds on the guy.

Cop should be fired on the spot. His sergeant that advised him to go ahead with it should also be fired. His partner who agreed with him should be fired. Every cop that watched this unfold and had no problem with it should be fired.

This shit will never, ever be fixed unless this blue wall authoritah bullshit gets purged from any given precinct. If there's a cop like this on the force and he still has a job then that's a cultural problem in his entire precinct. He's not just one bad apple. There's an entire system and culture around him in that precinct that enables if not supports him.

If an ER nurse has a better grasp of the law and the Constitution then you do, you shouldn't be a fucking cop. If her demonstrating to you that she has a better grasp of the law and Constitution then you do makes you snap and assault her like the limp dicked man child you are you shouldn't be a fucking cop.

Oh the cops in Salt Lake City have done a far worse thing than beat up a nurse. There is a retired sheriff of SLC that has been for years investigating a case where his son in law was killed by the SLC SWAT team. Basically, the sheriff's son in law was hold up in a car claiming he was going to kill himself, then the SWAT team unloaded rounds upon rounds on the guy.

Yep. This actually seems to be a growing problem in most precincts. Under trained guys who aren't cut out to have a gun in their hands shoot first ask questions later. The justification is that the cop "made the best judgement" for the situation. IE, he was scared and decided that he needed to protect himself without full assessment. It's not that most cops undervalue human life by and large. It's more than likely that their fear for their own safety is causing a lot of them to make bad decisions. This is what happens when you have a system that allows guns and a lot of guys who don't have any business discharging them. Why? Because our incarceration rate is too damn high and we have far to many cops in general doing every which task that an old lady and her friends ask of cops. This turns the system into more of an assembly line because of the quantity of things that need to be done and less into what it needs to be.

ranran-001wrote:
Oh the cops in Salt Lake City have done a far worse thing than beat up a nurse. There is a retired sheriff of SLC that has been for years investigating a case where his son in law was killed by the SLC SWAT team. Basically, the sheriff's son in law was hold up in a car claiming he was going to kill himself, then the SWAT team unloaded rounds upon rounds on the guy.

Unfortunately, sounds about right. Certainly not the first time cops in the US have simply shot a suicidal person rather than help them. Though escalating to a SWAT team is new. ><

There was actually a case a couple months ago where a cop got fired for NOT shooting a suicidal guy. Let me see if I can find it...

Silentveilwrote:
I have to ask a stupid question, but why do people expect the police to know how to deal with a suicidal person?

That isn't their job.

Cops encounter people with mental illness on a fairly regular basis. It is their job. Whether they like it or not. American cops are woefully under trained in this regard though. But I mean, especially with a suicidal person. If they have a weapon they're threatening themselves with whose job is it then? What if they're on a ledge/roof or something and you might need to grab them before they can jump? Not exactly in the skill set of an random EMT.

Cops are the foremost first responders and typically the first on any given scene because they actively patrol. They can't just throw up their hands and say it isn't their job.

GrandMasterTimewrote:
I think your response minimises the victim a little. The police officer/investigator/whatever was incompetent and probably on a power trip. That was the issue.

My response was a cynical observation of the state of American policing and legal system in general. I already stated my direct feelings on the subject pretty bluntly prior to that.

There is no way in hell that this is that cop's first time doing something like this to someone. It's just the first time he did it to someone the department couldn't quietly sweep under the rug.

and this is why i feel we should have cameras on. i don't think all cops are bad, but i do feel a few abuse the power and we could not only have proof but prevent crimes. i mean, i'm a barista, there's cameras everywhere except on the bar area, do you know how much stupid stuff we do off camera [make drinks cuz we're bored, throw coffee beans, arm wrestle, stand around talking] because everywhere else the cameras would catch us. [unless we're in the bathroom and honestly who hangs out in bathrooms?] so as someone who sells coffee for a living, worst case i pour decaf in your cup off camera, cops can do far worse off camera.

Randompyratewrote:
Another shitty cop making a shitty move. At least he didn't pull his gun out on her, I guess....?

Well, she was white.

No. Likely the only thing that would of changed would of been the media perception of a possible racial motivation. Contextually I can find no good justification on why the outcome would change if she wasn't 'white'. Firstly at the time of her arrest she was on shift working as a nurse, I know its america but the chances of a nurse conceal carrying is pretty low right? Secondly the environment was not only close spaced it was also highly populated gunfire would likely harm others and lastly the made up crime she was being suspected of was non violent.

I think your response minimises the victim a little. The police officer/investigator/whatever was incompetent and probably on a power trip. That was the issue.

Are you from U.S? Have you read about many unarmed people being killed by police, some in the very scenarios you just painted as a reason it wouldn't of happened?

All of the police officers there should of been fired immediately. It isn't difficult to understand law and as law ENFORCERS I would expect them to recognize when they are overstepping a law. A hospital generally isn't going to interfere with matters like this unless there is a legal reason to do so as it opens them up for liability. They could be sued and so they would want to prevent that.

The moment that lady read to the police the reasons she can't draw (even going as far as giving him a legal document and her supervisor on the phone), is the moment he should of stepped down.

The guy was obviously on a power trip as there was no rush to grab this guy's blood, the guy in the hospital isn't going anywhere if he doesn't want him to.