tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post8464496578577590984..comments2016-12-09T03:05:35.152-08:00Comments on John K Stuff: Direction 6: Dave Fleischer Willard Bowsky - Wild ElephinksJohnKhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14033480276168015590noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-18290077349225161732010-04-08T07:35:30.886-07:002010-04-08T07:35:30.886-07:00Even though it was stock music and thus didn&#39;t...Even though it was stock music and thus didn&#39;t always follow a scene movement for movement like the classic cartoons, I always thought Ren &amp; Stimpy (yes, even the Games episodes) did a good job with timing the music to what was happening on-screen: Enhancing a mood for whatever the setting required or what emotion was displayed by the characters, not hanging in the background like some Speedy Borishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01195728329160552516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-903241294109371422010-04-07T15:51:20.711-07:002010-04-07T15:51:20.711-07:00I forget when I ever bashed Disney for animating t...I forget when I ever bashed Disney for animating to music.JohnKhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14033480276168015590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-5874765647869834442010-04-07T15:33:23.155-07:002010-04-07T15:33:23.155-07:00John,
I agree but you can&#39;t have this both wa...John,<br /><br />I agree but you can&#39;t have this both ways. Disney did fabulous work to music, yet you bash them all the time. Hypocrite much?Dianahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13277754934834132731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-40454919632313598192010-04-07T15:19:10.931-07:002010-04-07T15:19:10.931-07:00I have a hard time timing animation and stories WI...I have a hard time timing animation and stories WITHOUT music. I guess MTV/Soundies and the vintage cartoon influence is the reason why all of my films are music based. The same goes for my comic. I make a playlist and write according the flow of songs. I flop back and forth with the arrangement of music and story.<br />Music also helps ensure that I FINISH my projects as well. There&#39;s SoleilSmilehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09355590810554892175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-82892861618480662022010-04-07T13:29:17.751-07:002010-04-07T13:29:17.751-07:00That&#39;s a great shot of Dave Fleischer with the...That&#39;s a great shot of Dave Fleischer with the guys in suits.Jeff Overturfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02292248615715408243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-24946688127336617142010-04-07T12:36:32.221-07:002010-04-07T12:36:32.221-07:00&quot;Maybe because there is no such thing as melo...&quot;Maybe because there is no such thing as melody anymore?&quot;<br /><br />Amazon user comment on an album of classical music, after rating it one star: &quot;Nobody would be interested in this music. It&#39;s old fashioned and corny.&quot; I think that&#39;s pretty typical of attitudes about a lot of stuff these days. You know, interesting stuff.Paul Pennahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15675804395438758118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-55926426882622962462010-04-07T06:28:47.743-07:002010-04-07T06:28:47.743-07:00Back then I didn&#39;t really understand how much ...Back then I didn&#39;t really understand how much senseless violence is amusing, but my 3 year old brother enjoyed watching that clip! He hasn&#39;t really laughed at those silly brain-dead preschool shows, but Popeye is just amazing.<br /><br />Now I want more senseless violence for children!<br />And for me too!Ashelnauthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00573907836887651067noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-3101322984926117192010-04-07T01:32:33.142-07:002010-04-07T01:32:33.142-07:00I noticed in the latest Super Mario Brothers Wii g...I noticed in the latest Super Mario Brothers Wii game, Shigeru Miyamoto tried to return a bit of the musical comedy animation in, as the enemies would often pause briefly, do a sidestep or tap dance, and resume their activities, all to the beat of the music.seckscabhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11505109326221435024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-44284504719131052012010-04-07T00:13:01.992-07:002010-04-07T00:13:01.992-07:00Hey John,
did you guys try to apply the same prin...Hey John,<br /><br />did you guys try to apply the same principle on Ren and Stimpy using the APM library music? Was it part of your production system?<br /><br />The most obvious episode that springs to my mind where the action is timed to music would be Stimpy&#39;s Invention, though in this case, well, it&#39;s not really subtle.Oliver_Ahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12457187224201712751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-59008938744180507882010-04-06T20:38:10.481-07:002010-04-06T20:38:10.481-07:00John, I&#39;d really like to hear your opinion on ...John, I&#39;d really like to hear your opinion on this new Scooby Doo cartoon. I personally can&#39;t stand it, but everyone else seems to be eating it up.Craig Somethinghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16769828125666991249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-54101679086952299932010-04-06T20:11:37.518-07:002010-04-06T20:11:37.518-07:00Music is great and all, but a good helping of sens...Music is great and all, but a good helping of senseless violence always helps. I&#39;d watch Popeye beat the crap out of endangered animals any day!Tony W.http://www.blogger.com/profile/13623165256315524643noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-32586980326392973162010-04-06T19:02:24.858-07:002010-04-06T19:02:24.858-07:00Gen Z is going to get it worse.Gen Z is going to get it worse.Lampshadehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14691947569204768485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-66691782731588301152010-04-06T18:10:51.878-07:002010-04-06T18:10:51.878-07:00Sven, we may be seeing the cycle of animation repe...Sven, we may be seeing the cycle of animation repeat itself.<br /><br />JK commentaries refer to 30&#39;s to 60&#39;s animation birth and decline, 60&#39;s to 80&#39;s stagnation, brief reflowerings in the 80&#39;s and 90&#39;s (R.Bakshi and Spumco).<br /> <br />Since the 90&#39;s we&#39;ve seen big increases in &quot;realistic&quot; video games, internet animation, and anime. None of these kurtwilhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01126470936272556396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-84785038494388121782010-04-06T17:49:52.890-07:002010-04-06T17:49:52.890-07:00I feel guilty to have bit cares to the Fleischer c...I feel guilty to have bit cares to the Fleischer cartoons.<br /><br />I remember one of my uncles like Betty Boop and one Holiday, we watched a Betty Boop tape and i was amazed in one of this cartoons. Every scenes, actions and movements was pure magic, creativity and fun! And the beautiful music helped to make the action much in contrast!<br /><br />We need real cartoons yes, but also real musicMartin Juneauhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00193943985570930659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-774067005515088912010-04-06T16:38:06.574-07:002010-04-06T16:38:06.574-07:00That is some great information to absorb.
The oce...That is some great information to absorb.<br /><br />The ocean moves so fluidly and the music is amazing! Cartoons and great melodies have to become part of popular culture again.Calvinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01659946292751352978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-88809288905007989902010-04-06T16:33:20.238-07:002010-04-06T16:33:20.238-07:00John: The Popeye and Gulliver dolls were posable m...John: The Popeye and Gulliver dolls were posable mannequins, not costumed people.(see how thin Popeye&#39;s neck is?)The Popeye doll was used for a lot of publicity photos around Paramount Studios. Gulliver, on the other hand, was an oversized mannequin, which was used to display in theatre lobbys playing Gulliver&#39;s Travels. There were also two hand sized figures of Gabby and Princess Glory John Ahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12298128571900918624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-28091020498837169102010-04-06T15:45:21.251-07:002010-04-06T15:45:21.251-07:00I love it when characters kick stuff, or scenery m...I love it when characters kick stuff, or scenery moves just to match the music. Nobody understands rhythm these days. Dancers, even talented ones, just flail randomly around without matching the music at all. <br /><br />The best music cartoon I&#39;ve seen was Pigs in a Polka.Chttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00517939187661110409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-6532041731676807012010-04-06T15:24:57.654-07:002010-04-06T15:24:57.654-07:00Haha! What a great cartoon. Leave it to you to bri...Haha! What a great cartoon. Leave it to you to brighten my afternoon with such a gem (I&#39;ve been nuts for the Fleischers, lately!) Even the first few seconds of this cartoon illustrate your point beautifully. Great stuff.<br /><br />Anyway, you&#39;re right. I think there are lots of problems... one of them being that new compositions like the ones in this cartoon aren&#39;t being made, reallyGenevahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11089208459716563319noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-12411982762704847292010-04-06T15:20:47.677-07:002010-04-06T15:20:47.677-07:00I love the music of Fleischer Studios- especially ...I love the music of Fleischer Studios- especially the Betty Boop cartoonsElana Pritchardhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02749589555148552752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-58771861313835580802010-04-06T15:00:50.073-07:002010-04-06T15:00:50.073-07:00Cartoon and music go together like bread and butte...Cartoon and music go together like bread and butter. <br /><br />Unfortunately most studios today seem to think children will be entertained by characters standing hands down, feet out-turned with a generic expression, no music and the only real movement going on is the mouths moving as they deliver a cliched punchline.Scrawnypumpkinseedhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09066657846295073326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-88592721330631541002010-04-06T14:44:46.292-07:002010-04-06T14:44:46.292-07:00I always get a kick out of musical timing and musi...I always get a kick out of musical timing and musically times things. Thats probably why I like Friz Freleng cartoons so much. We need more!Zartok-35http://www.blogger.com/profile/00449976580118722879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-59549641710075376082010-04-06T14:07:53.106-07:002010-04-06T14:07:53.106-07:00Cartoons were visual music when they were good. B...Cartoons were visual music when they were good. But people keep going to these awful animated features these days. <br /><br />I was shocked to read people praising these shitty looking cartoons on a cartoon blog. And drooling with anticipation for the next piece of garbage that plops out of Disney&#39;s ass. <br /><br />I think its no accident that all media is so involved with &quot;realism&Sven Hoekhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06577214251916614307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-7506025922277485812010-04-06T12:01:32.261-07:002010-04-06T12:01:32.261-07:00Cartoons and music got together like bread and but...Cartoons and music got together like bread and butter.RooniManhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17284662120928553055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-63486725091474994552010-04-06T11:58:46.125-07:002010-04-06T11:58:46.125-07:00Music and muscical timing justify style and cartoo...Music and muscical timing justify style and cartoony animation. Sounds right to me. The Popeye cartoon you put up was a perfect example.Eddie Fitzgeraldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07729949238666234774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22406604.post-10009938645288416342010-04-06T11:25:01.257-07:002010-04-06T11:25:01.257-07:00We owe a lot to the 1930&#39;s it set the stage fo...We owe a lot to the 1930&#39;s it set the stage for the virtuosos in the forties who developed their skill in the thirties studio system. <br /><br />I think that the reason the forties artists were so good was because in the thirties they build their skills on an industry that was making artistic and technical progress. Disney was especially doing this.,In 1930 every studio was doing rubber hoseRustyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16567290166047460824noreply@blogger.com