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Personally, I think Pattaya was much better when there weren't many non mongers there at all. Hopefully your friends will go and tell their other non mongering friends how shit it is and they will stay away. On the other hand, with the Chinese invasion it's probably too late to save Pattaya.

That’s your interpretation, not mine. Of course there are people in the MGTOW world who want to change things. Why would they make political statements, demonstrate, write articles, social media if they didn’t want change ?
Luckily I don’t spend all day on the forum as I do have a life, but I do love a discussion and preferably about something else than pussy so I have to grab the opportunity when I can, as interesting subjects are getting harder to find.

No George, not correct. Nobody is getting any money back. A 67 yr old bloke considers retiring outside of the UK jurisdiction...anywhere outside, doesn't have to involve sex although, I think you'll agree, it would be preferred. In such a case, he should receive incentives to do so because it would clearly be in the UK's best interest if he did fuck off and live abroad. Currently, Thailand retirees are punished for retiring abroad, because their pension does not attract any increases that they would receive if back in the UK. So really, it's not ok to reward retirees who go abroad, whilst obtaining an obvious pecuniary benefit from that, but it is ok to punish them, by disallowing pension increases, whilst obtaining an obvious pecuniary benefit.
Now the benefits to the UK are not just purely monetary, for example housing benefit, but also involve other factors, such as less people cluttering up and costing the NHS and housing freed up. For me it's a win win, but you might see it different.

For sure mate, our choice to use or not to use. I've used one occasionally for example at the bottom of Soi 6 when in a group and wanted to go to LK Metro. 4 bike fares would have been minimum 160 baht, negotiate a Songthaew for 150 baht, safer and same price or cheaper and a lot faster than using the buses.
Unless using Grab I've found it not so easy to get a regular taxi these days and they can be very cramped for a group, so I'm glad that some Songthaew's can be hired as taxis.
Cheers

Never said you where a woman hater or a bitter cunt , but I stand by my case that there are a lot of angry bitter dudes with woman issues who call thelmselves MGTOW. I just don’t like the movement. If you look at the MGTOW levels 1-4 it sounds more like a road to anarchism than anything else , it’s no cozy dudes who have choose not to get married ...but It’s like everything else, people take what they like without swallowing it all. Yep I go my own way but I feel no kindership with the MGTOW.

Haha, yeah that gave me a good laugh, what a way to phrase ‘picked up a freelancer ‘.
Then this at the end “Pattaya Police, led by the new Police Chief, gave Mr. Ashook flowers and apologized on behalf of the city for the poor experience.”
So if a monger has a bad experience with a freelancer he gets flowers from the BIB? 555

Yeah it is very clear that all the board members who just called themselves mgtow in this thread on a monger forum are avoiding any kind of interaction with women 5555.
But as a loser bitter cunt woman hater, what do I know?

Your suggesting that because people are not using services they should get money back as a subsidy to move abroad? Correct? That is what my original question was responding to. So as it follows, everybody else will want their money back also. Or does it just apply to those who want to live in tropical sex destinations but haven’t saved the requisite amounts?

I'm on holiday in Pattaya at the moment, and happen to be staying 3 nights in the "Urban Attitude" block of flats. It is a nice apartment, with a pool, and small gym. Nothing special, but very modern. Reasonable quiet. Just under a mile from the coast/beach road.
I got the room from Agoda from a normal hotel search. OP might be best advised to try doing this with the map search to try staying in an apartment building to try it out.

Up to you if you want to accociate yourself with a brunch of guys who want to avoid interactions with 50% of the earths population ....sounds bloody unhealthy to me. You should look into the type of guys who are calling themselves MGTOW and see what they discuss on the internet, it’s not men going their own way, they discuss.

If you are suggesting everybody getting back what they have paid in minus what they actually use (which in principle you are), then I totally agree. End the massive redistribution of money in the UK and every pensioner can live according to what they have saved. They can then spend it how and where they want. If they save nothing - tough shit. Every high-rate taxpayer would champion your idea, they will be in for a massive refund and rightly so.

The MGTOW movement is not monolithic. Some want to withdraw all contact with women, but my sense is that these are a minority within the movement. It seems that most are just against getting married, which is quite different from cutting off all contact with women.

You will end up paying one way or another. There is no free lunch or free sex. You are paying if you agree to take care of a woman, as often happens in LOS. It's not straight out payment for sex, but it amounts to the same thing.