-Dequindre-:That's a pretty ambitious goal for a 3 cylinder, the 1.6L turbo only has about 178 HP. Ford can pull it off though. If they can make a mid-size sedan almost as efficient as a Prius, they can do anything!

MunaH:The EPA classifies the Prius as s mid-sized car as well, so I don't know why, when Ford does it, it's extra-impressive to you.

Bellanca5.0:Here's an issue I take with that, they rate it based on interior volume, no? Well yes a hatchback theoretically has X amount of cargo space, but do you mean to tell me that it's safe to drive when you can't even see out of the back window because you have your car jam packed with items?

The Prius isn't even close to being the same size as the Fusion. It's an absolute joke to even suggest they're in the same class. The Fusion is more than 15 inches longer and 4 inches wider than the Prius. The EPA classification system is flawed at best.
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-Dequindre-:That's a pretty ambitious goal for a 3 cylinder, the 1.6L turbo only has about 178 HP. Ford can pull it off though. If they can make a mid-size sedan almost as efficient as a Prius, they can do anything!

MunaH:The EPA classifies the Prius as s mid-sized car as well, so I don't know why, when Ford does it, it's extra-impressive to you.

Bellanca5.0:Here's an issue I take with that, they rate it based on interior volume, no? Well yes a hatchback theoretically has X amount of cargo space, but do you mean to tell me that it's safe to drive when you can't even see out of the back window because you have your car jam packed with items?

THE_atvman:The Prius isn't even close to being the same size as the Fusion. It's an absolute joke to even suggest they're in the same class. The Fusion is more than 15 inches longer and 4 inches wider than the Prius. The EPA classification system is flawed at best.

Flawed as it may be, it is what it is and that's what they call the Prius.

-Dequindre-:That's a pretty ambitious goal for a 3 cylinder, the 1.6L turbo only has about 178 HP. Ford can pull it off though. If they can make a mid-size sedan almost as efficient as a Prius, they can do anything!

MunaH:The EPA classifies the Prius as s mid-sized car as well, so I don't know why, when Ford does it, it's extra-impressive to you.

Bellanca5.0:Here's an issue I take with that, they rate it based on interior volume, no? Well yes a hatchback theoretically has X amount of cargo space, but do you mean to tell me that it's safe to drive when you can't even see out of the back window because you have your car jam packed with items?

THE_atvman:The Prius isn't even close to being the same size as the Fusion. It's an absolute joke to even suggest they're in the same class. The Fusion is more than 15 inches longer and 4 inches wider than the Prius. The EPA classification system is flawed at best.

Zoomin:Flawed as it may be, it is what it is and that's what they call the Prius.

Whatever the EPA classifies it as is irrelevent anyways, especially since they've moved to the footprint method when calculating CAFE. Per my math, they both have the same +23 rating in regards to CAFE mpg vs. CAFE requirement.
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You can have an opinion, just be prepared to be relentlessly mocked for it.

-Dequindre-:That's a pretty ambitious goal for a 3 cylinder, the 1.6L turbo only has about 178 HP. Ford can pull it off though. If they can make a mid-size sedan almost as efficient as a Prius, they can do anything!

MunaH:The EPA classifies the Prius as s mid-sized car as well, so I don't know why, when Ford does it, it's extra-impressive to you.

Bellanca5.0:Here's an issue I take with that, they rate it based on interior volume, no? Well yes a hatchback theoretically has X amount of cargo space, but do you mean to tell me that it's safe to drive when you can't even see out of the back window because you have your car jam packed with items?

THE_atvman:The Prius isn't even close to being the same size as the Fusion. It's an absolute joke to even suggest they're in the same class. The Fusion is more than 15 inches longer and 4 inches wider than the Prius. The EPA classification system is flawed at best.

Zoomin:Flawed as it may be, it is what it is and that's what they call the Prius.

THE_atvman:Whatever the EPA classifies it as is irrelevent anyways, especially since they've moved to the footprint method when calculating CAFE. Per my math, they both have the same +23 rating in regards to CAFE mpg vs. CAFE requirement.

Some publications divide cars based on EPA class size, in which case the Fusion and Prius would be in the same category. I would argue the Prius could be more useful with is practical hatchback design.

Frisky_Dingo:It's pretty sound speculation given the issues they've already had with the current EcoBoost 4's, and that it'd be a mass-produced engine with a specific output 133hp per liter.

Like I said, that's not an engine, it's a time bomb.

THE_atvman:What problems are they having with the 2.0L?

There was just recently a recall over fire risk for first fuel lines and then some issue that led to coolant loss. If they can have oversights on an engine that isn't worked very hard, what kinds of issues are going to pop up on an engine that will be pushed so hard??

-Dequindre-:That's a pretty ambitious goal for a 3 cylinder, the 1.6L turbo only has about 178 HP. Ford can pull it off though. If they can make a mid-size sedan almost as efficient as a Prius, they can do anything!

MunaH:The EPA classifies the Prius as s mid-sized car as well, so I don't know why, when Ford does it, it's extra-impressive to you.

Bellanca5.0:Here's an issue I take with that, they rate it based on interior volume, no? Well yes a hatchback theoretically has X amount of cargo space, but do you mean to tell me that it's safe to drive when you can't even see out of the back window because you have your car jam packed with items?

THE_atvman:The Prius isn't even close to being the same size as the Fusion. It's an absolute joke to even suggest they're in the same class. The Fusion is more than 15 inches longer and 4 inches wider than the Prius. The EPA classification system is flawed at best.

Zoomin:Flawed as it may be, it is what it is and that's what they call the Prius.

THE_atvman:Whatever the EPA classifies it as is irrelevent anyways, especially since they've moved to the footprint method when calculating CAFE. Per my math, they both have the same +23 rating in regards to CAFE mpg vs. CAFE requirement.

Zoomin:Some publications divide cars based on EPA class size, in which case the Fusion and Prius would be in the same category. I would argue the Prius could be more useful with is practical hatchback design.

Not really, I've never seen a compact hatch (which are classified as midsizes, just like the Prius) invited to a midsize sedan comparison. Subcompact hatches don't get invited to compact sedan comparisons either.
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Frisky_Dingo:It's pretty sound speculation given the issues they've already had with the current EcoBoost 4's, and that it'd be a mass-produced engine with a specific output 133hp per liter.

Like I said, that's not an engine, it's a time bomb.

THE_atvman:What problems are they having with the 2.0L?

Frisky_Dingo:There was just recently a recall over fire risk for first fuel lines and then some issue that led to coolant loss. If they can have oversights on an engine that isn't worked very hard, what kinds of issues are going to pop up on an engine that will be pushed so hard??

that was for the 1.6 and the issue was with the supplier bosch delivering them flawed fuel lines. thats not a problem with fords engineering or the engine in general
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-Dequindre-:That's a pretty ambitious goal for a 3 cylinder, the 1.6L turbo only has about 178 HP. Ford can pull it off though. If they can make a mid-size sedan almost as efficient as a Prius, they can do anything!

MunaH:The EPA classifies the Prius as s mid-sized car as well, so I don't know why, when Ford does it, it's extra-impressive to you.

Bellanca5.0:Here's an issue I take with that, they rate it based on interior volume, no? Well yes a hatchback theoretically has X amount of cargo space, but do you mean to tell me that it's safe to drive when you can't even see out of the back window because you have your car jam packed with items?

THE_atvman:The Prius isn't even close to being the same size as the Fusion. It's an absolute joke to even suggest they're in the same class. The Fusion is more than 15 inches longer and 4 inches wider than the Prius. The EPA classification system is flawed at best.

Zoomin:Flawed as it may be, it is what it is and that's what they call the Prius.

THE_atvman:Whatever the EPA classifies it as is irrelevent anyways, especially since they've moved to the footprint method when calculating CAFE. Per my math, they both have the same +23 rating in regards to CAFE mpg vs. CAFE requirement.

Zoomin:Some publications divide cars based on EPA class size, in which case the Fusion and Prius would be in the same category. I would argue the Prius could be more useful with is practical hatchback design.

THE_atvman:Not really, I've never seen a compact hatch (which are classified as midsizes, just like the Prius) invited to a midsize sedan comparison. Subcompact hatches don't get invited to compact sedan comparisons either.

You could fit a laser calibration system much easier into a Prius than a Fusion.

I could fit myself much easier into a Fusion than I could a Prius. I find it far more likely that I'd be fitting myself in a car than I would a laser calibration system, but everybody's different.
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THE_atvman:I could fit myself much easier into a Fusion than I could a Prius. I find it far more likely that I'd be fitting myself in a car than I would a laser calibration system, but everybody's different.

Badstang08:Your speculating man. Like Ford is gonna launch the new 3cyl and let warranty claims skyrocket. I'm sure they will develop it for longevity.

HemiPoweredNBG:200 horsepower out of a 1.5l 3 cylinder... think about this logically for a second and not as a ford fanboy. its way to much power for a little turd of a motor. its not speculation. the 4 cylinders arent doing to hot why the hell would you get even smaller.

I really doubt the 1.0 would be upsized to 1.5 anyways. I'm thinking 1.2 and/or 1.4L 3cyl variants depending on the market. The 1.0 turbo makes 125hp so an larger version would produce 140-170hp on a production engine.
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Badstang08:Your speculating man. Like Ford is gonna launch the new 3cyl and let warranty claims skyrocket. I'm sure they will develop it for longevity.

HemiPoweredNBG:200 horsepower out of a 1.5l 3 cylinder... think about this logically for a second and not as a ford fanboy. its way to much power for a little turd of a motor. its not speculation. the 4 cylinders arent doing to hot why the hell would you get even smaller.

Badstang08:I really doubt the 1.0 would be upsized to 1.5 anyways. I'm thinking 1.2 and/or 1.4L 3cyl variants depending on the market. The 1.0 turbo makes 125hp so an larger version would produce 140-170hp on a production engine.

i just think being excited about a three cylinder is incredibly depressing.
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