Old style directives work just fine, splits and mirrors go astray. The second screenie is Robotic, uploaded in themes here. Compare this screenie tothe theme's original screenshot http://blackbox4wind...otic-by-pitkon/

Margins and other toolbar things may look weird, but that's only because the style was made based on XZero's 1.16 build. These can be easily adjusted.

I get more or less the same results on the toolbar and the windows' labels. And colors change if you move the pointer over them or, say, switch desktops. Thanks, moj, I though something was wrong with my setup. Which only makes me wonder what setup Jon tested it on - although he didn't show the toolbar and the windows, just the menu which usually has no issues. So, the problem may lay with bbleanbar and bbleanskin?Also, bbi has no issues - which brings us back to bbleanbar and bbleanskin. Moj, do me a favor and unload bbleanbar. Use BB's native toolbar and let me know it it works better. Thanks! I also noticed there is no menu grip on the menu I don't think I want to give that up

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Jon, the gradients do NOT work. At least not the way I want them to be. Look again at the original theme screenie. These are NOT the colors I picked for the toolbar. And, like moj says, they change with mouse overs. Since the problem remains when using BB's native toolbar, bbleanbar is not the culprit, maybe the core is. Just a thought. What do you mean by plugins with red squares? These are bbleanskin's window grips.

Jon, the gradients do NOT work. At least not the way I want them to be. Look again at the original theme screenie. These are NOT the colors I picked for the toolbar. And, like moj says, they change with mouse overs. Since the problem remains when using BB's native toolbar, bbleanbar is not the culprit, maybe the core is. Just a thought. What do you mean by plugins with red squares? These are bbleanskin's window grips.

Here's the deal.. If the menu renders incorrectly then the gradients are broken, or at the very least.. incorrect. The menu's render with the exact gradient code of blackbox, where all the style items and everything style related is defined. There is no wiggle room with the menu's, no questions.. If you told me that I have the colors out of order in the menu's - I could fix that and would accept that..

Now for the real issue.....

A lot of plugins have their own gradient rendering code (Look at what I posted the other day(!): Post 7) which means that they need to be updated when you add colors, gradients, or anything style related.. or.. they need to be rewritten so they don't need these updates, like I had mentioned in my earlier post. The gradients ARE NOT broken, theplugins are broken. Now, I really don't care for bbLeanBar - which translates to not a very high priority for me, and I look at LeanSkin as something that will need to be rewritten for Windows 8 support. In either case I, or someone, needs to determine whether to fix these plugins for the short term, or long term..and I made no progress on either because I spent my evening proving the issues were not in the blackbox gradient code, but rather that the issues existed in the plugins.

Here's the deal.. If the menu renders incorrectly then the gradients are broken, or at the very least.. incorrect. The menu's render with the exact gradient code of blackbox, where all the style items and everything style related is defined. There is no wiggle room with the menu's, no questions.. If you told me that I have the colors out of order in the menu's - I could fix that and would accept that..

Now for the real issue.....

A lot of plugins have their own gradient rendering code (Look at what I posted the other day(!): Post 7) which means that they need to be updated when you add colors, gradients, or anything style related.. or.. they need to be rewritten so they don't need these updates, like I had mentioned in my earlier post. The gradients ARE NOT broken, theplugins are broken. Now, I really don't care for bbLeanBar - which translates to not a very high priority for me, and I look at LeanSkin as something that will need to be rewritten for Windows 8 support. In either case I, or someone, needs to determine whether to fix these plugins for the short term, or long term..and I made no progress on either because I spent my evening proving the issues were not in the blackbox gradient code, but rather that the issues existed in the plugins.

Jon, BB's native toolbar is also part of the code like the menu, right? Well, that breaks too. In fact, the only build that works flawlessly at the core and with ANY plugin is your BlackboXZ 1.16. Maybe this should be a starting point to push BB further? As for systembarex, I would gladly use it instead of bbleanbar, but the irony is it's the only plugin that breaks under 1.16...

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Trying to find out what you did here... You changed my colorspitto and color1 colors, right? And then, what? Are there two bbleanbars and one systembar running here? And why the top one renders like that? Yes, the two bottom bars seem to be rendering fine.