Ketosis and sleep.

I have been doing proper keto diet for 3 weeks now with less than 25g of carbs per day. Since starting that I've come down from 59kgs to just under 56 and must say I feel less bulky and the layer of fat that was covering my abs is pretty thin now.

But what I have noticed is that my sleep patterns are terrible. I put myself to bed around 830 knowing that regardless of the time I go to bed I will still wake up at 230am and I wake up a couple of times during that time as well.

I don't feel tired throughout the day or ever really - why is this diet changing my sleep patterns and do I need to worry about this lack of sleep?

I have been doing proper keto diet for 3 weeks now with less than 25g of carbs per day. Since starting that I've come down from 59kgs to just under 56 and must say I feel less bulky and the layer of fat that was covering my abs is pretty thin now.

But what I have noticed is that my sleep patterns are terrible. I put myself to bed around 830 knowing that regardless of the time I go to bed I will still wake up at 230am and I wake up a couple of times during that time as well.

I don't feel tired throughout the day or ever really - why is this diet changing my sleep patterns and do I need to worry about this lack of sleep?

Also some tips on 'carbing up' would be great

Pixie xx

Not sure about the sleep issue but I would carb up once a week with healthy carbs, no junk. Looks up CKG, its keto with carb cycling (a carb up every week).

A kg is 2.2 lbs...that in a week is not slow at all. Unless you're obese, it's going to be extremely difficult to sustain that kind of pace. Congratulations because I know that takes hard work and determination but keep that in mind

A kg is 2.2 lbs...that in a week is not slow at all. Unless you're obese, it's going to be extremely difficult to sustain that kind of pace. Congratulations because I know that takes hard work and determination but keep that in mind

True! They do say a pound a week - I always get confused with a kg a week.

Thanks - I had a dessert last week would that be enough for a carb up or not really??

I'm doing a similar program, and I've lost ~20 lbs since April. I usually do 20-40g/ carbs daily to remain in ketosis. Then once a week I eat a meal with about 100-150 carbs. to reset (not on a rest day). Also, about once a month (in place of that cheat meal) I binge eat around 300 carbs in a 2-3 hour window to reset. It took me a long time to figure out what works for my own body.

I'm doing a similar program, and I've lost ~20 lbs since April. I usually do 20-40g/ carbs daily to remain in ketosis. Then once a week I eat a meal with about 100-150 carbs. to reset (not on a rest day). Also, about once a month (in place of that cheat meal) I binge eat around 300 carbs in a 2-3 hour window to reset. It took me a long time to figure out what works for my own body.

Oh okay cool 20lbs - pretty good effort.
Good guidelines there. I'm in my 4th week of getting leaner and will need to build some more muscle soon. What changes do you suggest there? Carbs post workout and otherwise keep eating keto?

The reason keto can mess with your sleep is due to serotonin. When you eat carbs serotonin is released. A lack of carbs can cause this to drop which can cause sleep disturbances until your body gets used to it.

For me on a keto diet it was the worst about 9 weeks in once cals were decreased and cardio was increased. I literaly dreamed about carbs at night. It was pretty crazy.

The reason keto can mess with your sleep is due to serotonin. When you eat carbs serotonin is released. A lack of carbs can cause this to drop which can cause sleep disturbances until your body gets used to it.

For me on a keto diet it was the worst about 9 weeks in once cals were decreased and cardio was increased. I literaly dreamed about carbs at night. It was pretty crazy.

Haha yes my dreams have been getting pretty crazy!! Other night I'm just waking up regularly and waking at 2:30am each morning regardless of the time I go to bed.

I'm doing a similar program, and I've lost ~20 lbs since April. I usually do 20-40g/ carbs daily to remain in ketosis. Then once a week I eat a meal with about 100-150 carbs. to reset (not on a rest day). Also, about once a month (in place of that cheat meal) I binge eat around 300 carbs in a 2-3 hour window to reset. It took me a long time to figure out what works for my own body.

I'm doing something similar, except not quite keto. Lower carb during the week, and include a refeed on Sundays. In the past I used it an excuse to eat every single carb that was put in front of me, but the wasn't really optimal for me. Now I keep it around ~150/g and split that between 3 meals.

@ pixie - Depends how your body handles carbs. Some people can get away with more carbs than others. You can try adding in sweet potatoes, rice, oatmeal, quinoa, etc. Keep fats on the lower end that day. Oh, and eating some dessert should be fine.

Oh okay cool 20lbs - pretty good effort. Good guidelines there. I'm in my 4th week of getting leaner and will need to build some more muscle soon. What changes do you suggest there? Carbs post workout and otherwise keep eating keto?

If you want to keep your diet Lower carb to stay leaner while building, I would encourage carbs "periworkout" meaning directly before and after. Or you could look up carb cycling. lots of folks on here do it.

If you want to keep your diet Lower carb to stay leaner while building, I would encourage carbs "periworkout" meaning directly before and after. Or you could look up carb cycling. lots of folks on here do it.

Yes I've tried carb cycling before and didn't really enjoy it. Where as with this keto diet I have so much energy and as long as I have coconut oil pre workout I have no struggles getting through my workout. However I am going to need to spike my insulin post work out if I want to build muscle right?

carb cycling is great, i do 2 low carb day (under 80 g of carbs) and 1 high carb day (200+g of carbs) when done right it works well however my diet has been complete crap these past two days . Also on low carb days, carbs are only directly pre and post workout so you arent sluggish when you are lifting/doing cardio.

carb cycling is great, i do 2 low carb day (under 80 g of carbs) and 1 high carb day (200+g of carbs) when done right it works well however my diet has been complete crap these past two days . Also on low carb days, carbs are only directly pre and post workout so you arent sluggish when you are lifting/doing cardio.

When I was doing it id have a higher carb day on Thursday and Sunday but can't recall how many carbs I was having on my high carb days. and was only having carbs post workout on my low carb days. Might be something to touch on again when I need to mix it up a little

3 more days and it's been 4 weeks of a strict keto diet. I did a re feed last night (Japanese - lots of rice and sushi) hoping it would help me get more sleep. Unfortunately I only got 2.5 hours and I'm now wide awake.

Are there any suggestions of what I can do that might help? Other than supplement with 5htp to boost serotonin as its not pay day yet.

Thanks tomahawk. I'm off to nz for 4 days tomorrow when I get back ill be changing it up to gain some muscle - was thinking carbs post workout and at night.... '

Nice have fun. That is what I am planning on doing for this week. It has been harder to sleep while being ultra low carb 4-6 days in a row. Hoping this week plus will help reset my internal clock a bit. Then go back on once a week Carb Nites to get rid of more fat.

I think you will be safe experimenting with carbs post workout and at night.

Nice have fun. That is what I am planning on doing for this week. It has been harder to sleep while being ultra low carb 4-6 days in a row. Hoping this week plus will help reset my internal clock a bit. Then go back on once a week Carb Nites to get rid of more fat.

I think you will be safe experimenting with carbs post workout and at night.

Looking forward to some awesome seafood in nz haha - so good!!

Yeah it's crazy how much it affects your sleep. No more than 2 or 3 hours at a time for me !!

interesting thread, im on im on the same diet to lose last remaining fat, my sleeping patterns are **** aswell. what i noticed is my hands and feet felt cold alot of times i think its got to do with thyroid and metabolism slow down so i increased my carbs and felt better.

interesting thread, im on im on the same diet to lose last remaining fat, my sleeping patterns are **** aswell. what i noticed is my hands and feet felt cold alot of times i think its got to do with thyroid and metabolism slow down so i increased my carbs and felt better.

Yeah I felt amazing on this diet and it amazing results also but I don't think I was doing
The carb ups correctly which caused my sleep to get disrupted -

Just wondering what the thoughts are on
Post workout shakes? Would you of would you not have some carbs in your post workout shake to prevent muscle breakdown?

I didn't add carbs post workout as I thought it would disrupt the ketosis however it felt wrong.