This is the result of two arguments: (1) Free agent cannot be created and (2) Something which cannot be created cannot be annihilated. The first argument is discussed in here. The second argument is discussed in here.

This is the result of two arguments: (1) Free agent cannot be created and (2) Something which cannot be created cannot be annihilated. The first argument is discussed in here. The second argument is discussed in here.

bahman, before I can address the topic of this thread, would you please clear something up for me?

In your thread “Free agent cannot be created,” you stated the following:

This is the result of two arguments: (1) Free agent cannot be created and (2) Something which cannot be created cannot be annihilated. The first argument is discussed in here. The second argument is discussed in here.

bahman, before I can address the topic of this thread, would you please clear something up for me?

In your thread “Free agent cannot be created,” you stated the following:

This is the result of two arguments: (1) Free agent cannot be created and (2) Something which cannot be created cannot be annihilated. The first argument is discussed in here. The second argument is discussed in here.

Just to be clear; Is this the one and only 'Mind' that is eternal? Or, Is it each and EVERY one of the at least two 'minds' that is eternal?

This is the result of two arguments: (1) Free agent cannot be created and (2) Something which cannot be created cannot be annihilated. The first argument is discussed in here. The second argument is discussed in here.

Just to be clear; Is this the one and only 'Mind' that is eternal? Or, Is it each and EVERY one of the at least two 'minds' that is eternal?

Wouldn’t each of the living, self-aware replications of the original “free agent”...

(replications that are in possession of the exact same attributes and capabilities as the original)

...again, wouldn’t each of the (caused and structured) replications be free agents themselves? - thus refuting your conclusion in point number 5?
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(5) is the result of (3) and (4). So you need to refute (3) or (4) in order to refute (5). I guess that you don't have any problem with (3) therefore what is left is (4). Why (4) is true? Because the behavior of anything which is structured is a function of behavior of parts, parts being irreducible. Why? Because we don’t have anything but the parts. Therefore anything which is structured cannot be free (unless parts are free but that again require the creation of something which is free so we are back to the point (1)).

1) Causation requires knowledge
2) Knowledge is structured
3) Therefore any caused thing is structured
4) Anything which is structured cannot be free
5) Therefore one cannot cause a thing which is free

Seeds, replication is not a possibility for a free agent (according to the above) because "any caused thing is structured", and anything that is structured cannot be free. So the alleged god is either structured, in which case it can't be free, or it's free, but then it is not structured as per the above; therefore god has no knowledge, therefore it can't create anything.

(A) God is not structured: (3 and 4) or else god is not free (4)

According to the above 1 through five, god either lacks the know-how (since it has no knowledge) or it lacks the freedom (since it is structured).

So, at any rate, this god of Bahman's can't reproduce, can't create, because it needs both knowledge and freedom at the same time and in the same respect to do so, and either it can have freedom, (as per the above 5 points) or else it can have knowledge (as per the same points) but NOT BOTH at the same time and in the same respect, because according to the above, anything that has knowledge is structured, therefore it is not free, and anything that is free, is not structured, therefore it has no knowledge.

There are other problems with the definitions / hypotheses that form the basis of Bahman's argument. However, there is no need to worry about them, since according to the Bahman, the Creator was completely and irrefutably argued out of His potential to create anything.

1) Causation requires knowledge
2) Knowledge is structured
3) Therefore any caused thing is structured
4) Anything which is structured cannot be free
5) Therefore one cannot cause a thing which is free

Seeds, replication is not a possibility for a free agent (according to the above) because "any caused thing is structured", and anything that is structured cannot be free. So the alleged god is either structured, in which case it can't be free, or it's free, but then it is not structured as per the above; therefore god has no knowledge, therefore it can't create anything.

(A) God is not structured: (3 and 4) or else god is not free (4)

According to the above 1 through five, god either lacks the know-how (since it has no knowledge) or it lacks the freedom (since it is structured).

So, at any rate, this god of Bahman's can't reproduce, can't create, because it needs both knowledge and freedom at the same time and in the same respect to do so, and either it can have freedom, (as per the above 5 points) or else it can have knowledge (as per the same points) but NOT BOTH at the same time and in the same respect, because according to the above, anything that has knowledge is structured, therefore it is not free, and anything that is free, is not structured, therefore it has no knowledge.

You almost got it all. Congratulation. The only thing that you missed is that a being is made of many minds so it could have knowledge. One mind however, which is the basic element of reality cannot have knowledge.