Oklahoma Police Kill Deaf Man for the Crime of Holding a Walking Stick

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People alone without any defense are most vulnerable to a dog attack, especially elderly victims. Carry a walking stick or cane with you when you go on walks. It's not proven that this technique is successful because I have heard of incidents where witnesses come to the defense of a victim with a baseball bat or stick and the dog just doesn't let go.

However, it gives that immediate block and few seconds in between what could be a devastating first bite."

Now you have to worry about not being able to defend youself against dogs or being killed by cops. Seeing someone running with a club is a death sentence from the police after all.

Around here "fish wackers" are small and often brightly colored to avoid looking like a weapon. Almost as if someone understands they could be viewed as a weapon.

I'm not the kind of fisherman who color coordinates his fishing gear. A wooden stick is wood colored, even if someone has gone to the trouble of carving a handle and drilling a hole for a wrist strap.

People carry ****. Carrying **** while talking is not illegal. That cops can't properly handle people carrying **** while walking and talking is major failing of the cops, not the people who can carry **** walk and talk.

If you really think this is a good outcome, that this should be taught as best practices and not used a point that we can improve from, then we just view life differently. Police need to get better at their jobs before every jurisdiction is bankrupted by their incompetence.

I'm not the kind of fisherman who color coordinates his fishing gear. A wooden stick is wood colored, even if someone has gone to the trouble of carving a handle and drilling a hole for a wrist strap.

People carry ****. Carrying **** while talking is not illegal. That cops can't properly handle people carrying **** while walking and talking is major failing of the cops, not the people who can carry **** walk and talk.

If you really think this is a good outcome, that this should be taught as best practices and not used a point that we can improve from, then we just view life differently. Police need to get better at their jobs before every jurisdiction is bankrupted by their incompetence.

Or people could not advance on police wroth what could be considered a weapon.

I'd assume they were trying to close the distance in such a way that my action would be delayed enough they could effectively use the pipe. Screaming " you are gonna die mother ****ers " isn't a good strategy.

Did he shout that? According to neighbours he had to communicate through notes and mime.

Or people could not advance on police wroth what could be considered a weapon.........

Agreed. But they absolutely should not wind up dead if they do, unless the life of the policeman/men is in immediate danger as a result, and there is no other way of dealing with the matter.

__________________"The Conservatives want to keep wogs out and march boldly back to the 1950s when Britain still had an Empire and blacks, women, poofs and Irish knew their place." The Don That's what we've sunk to here.

It's as if you don't mind your own contradiction. You found that walking aids start at 2.3' and then say they could be 2.0'.

It was a pipe. The article says he ambled towards the cop(s) while swinging it. That is aggressive.

The exact sequence of events isn't prefectly clear from reading the articles. We know there was a Taser, but we don't know of its use or effect. The OP article can even have you thinking that he was Tasered after being shot to death...

Taser is fired simultaneous with bullets, or after bullets, or before bullets, or what?

No, I posted that the recommendations for me, at well over 6 feet, went from 2.3 to 2.5 for the kind of cane one pushes down on. Not that 2.3 feet was the minimum and applied to people of more normal height. More so, what I posted was specifically in reaction to your blanket statement that a 2 foot stick could not possibly be a walking cane for anyone but a pigmy. It could have been a walking aid. Or equally it could have been a stick that, as described up thread, the guy used to gesture, to point, and as protection against dogs.

The big question of course is does having a stick of any kind in your hands (in this case in front of one's own house) justify being shot to death by the police What if one is a plumber? Or just returned from baseball practice? Or carrying a broomstick? I've carried (even swung) sticks, pipes, rods, and poles of all kinds, widths, and lengths in public in areas near and far from my own home- was I risking my life each time should a LEO see me and feel threatened? Would being deaf and unable to respond to police commands as this guy justify me being shot? And remember- this guy hadn't committed any crime and the neighbors were trying to tell the cops that he was deaf.

As I indicated upthread facts may be revealed with time that provide a stronger justification for the cop shooting this guy. Okay - I haven't formed a permanent conclusion and I will be happy to modify it. But for now, based on the information currently available to us, it appears that yet another innocent person was killed by a jumpy cop. I seem to remember growing up that cops took pride in being emotionally strong and brave- ha that changed?

All of the sudden a jogging club is a thing. Okay I won't even argue that.

Mark it brightly, just like they do with most other things that could be seen as a weapon. The guy was deaf not blind he could work a spray paint can.

And if that doesn't work, drop the thing when someone points a gun at you. I've been there, unless you are intending combat drop anything and go prone.

Yes the only people allowed to panic are the cops who draw their guns. They can refuse to hear things, but being confronted by some maniac with a gun, the public needs to keep a cool head at all times.

Yes the only people allowed to panic are the cops who draw their guns. They can refuse to hear things, but being confronted by some maniac with a gun, the public needs to keep a cool head at all times.

All cops are maniacs now? Please define maniac and show evidence that ALL cops fit this description.

There is no difference between someone holding a pipe in America or Europe. If there is please explain what it is.

A shoe can be a deadly weapon. A pen. A fist. That is a pretty low bar you've set for killing people.

And for the umpteenth time the neighbours told the police he was deaf. Which it says in the articles. The ones you say shows it was a good shoot. So which is it? Shooting a deaf man is ok or not? Because that is condradictory.

American police routinely carry (and use) handguns.

I think that's the main difference that is relevant.

I would not even think of approaching a cop in the USA with a pipe made into a weapon.

The pipe made into a weapon might even be illegal where this happened, but I have not checked.

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All cops are maniacs now? Please define maniac and show evidence that ALL cops fit this description.

Where did you pull this from?

__________________"The Conservatives want to keep wogs out and march boldly back to the 1950s when Britain still had an Empire and blacks, women, poofs and Irish knew their place." The Don That's what we've sunk to here.

Parcher,
You are distorting the descriptions to try to justify your reflexive defense of the cop.
"ambled toward the cops..." Ambled is not threatening:
"amble [am-buh l] to go at a slow, easy pace; stroll; saunter:
He ambled around the town."

"He had it in his right hand and was holding it up" Up as opposed to what? Up over his head as if to strike? Or up at chest or waist height as one might often do when carrying a stick or using it to gesture?

They seemed to be on point, they asked for him to comply, he didn't. It stains credulity to think that someone would have no idea what the cops were asking of them in that situation.

I think that his mental handicap may have prevented him from understanding that it was urgent that he drop the pipe on the ground. Having hearing ability is not necessary to understand that but having good mental faculty is necessary for that.

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Don't need to hear, he saw the cops, saw them aiming weapons. I couldn't hear the cop in my situation either but I sure as hell knew he wasn't just showing me his gun for the hell of it.

You know this for sure? I mean, it was night. You knew that though, didn't you? You wouldn't have just jumped to conclusions, and just automatically defended police killing people, would you. How was the scene lit? Were the police holding torches, relying on headlights, what? How do you think this may have affected the ability of their victim to determine who was invading and threatening his home?

__________________"The Conservatives want to keep wogs out and march boldly back to the 1950s when Britain still had an Empire and blacks, women, poofs and Irish knew their place." The Don That's what we've sunk to here.

I think that his mental handicap may have prevented him from understanding that it was urgent that he drop the pipe on the ground. Having hearing ability is not necessary to understand that but having good mental faculty is necessary for that.

If his disability is so bad he cannot understand that someone aiming a gun at him means to stop, he should be being watched or in an appropriate facility.

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