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I've had it with Bush and Cheney

Original post made
by js, Charleston Meadows,
on Oct 24, 2007

I've just about had it with this President. And I've had it with the Democrats. I thought the Dems would end the war, they have not. Instead I've got a President who seems hell bent on starting World War III.

I've had it. I've called Pelosi and asked her to pursue impeachment. I've called Eshoo and asked her to pursue impeachment and neither have listened.

The both of them, Pelosi and Eshoo will not receive my vote next time round unless I see Bush and Cheney out, now.

Impeachment is something I vehemently and deeply want, and I don't see my interests being represented in any way shape or form by the democrats.

It's a complete failure of government.

If I don't see any action from Pelosi and Eshoo, they won't be getting any action from me next voting season.

Posted by ten18
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Oct 24, 2007 at 9:17 pm

The media and elite schools are right-wing? You've got to be kidding.

I'd also love to know how you can "end the war," when your enemy has shown no interest in doing so. Turn tail and run? God, I hope that's not how we end up. I don't want any part of appeasement either.

Posted by js
a resident of Charleston Meadows
on Oct 24, 2007 at 10:10 pm

Gary,
Interesting that your solution to the injustice is - hey, go get drunk.

The answer is not to go lose my mind to drugs or alcohol as you suggest. The solution to finding truth and justice are impeachment hearings. That's where the true American spirit of doing what's right and doing good will emerge.

The Dems said they didn't want to pursue impeachment because they wanted to focus on getting work done. And Bush blames Congress for not getting anything done, yet threatens to veto everything that comes his way. End result? The Dems still get nothing done and Bush is still in office with more war ranting and threats of starting World War III.

If we see the U.S. bomb Iran sometime in the next 1.3 years, you will have no one else to blame but yourself for not taking action against this President and Vice-president.

I will not for anyone who refuses to pursue anything other than impeachment. I believe this is the single most important agenda our country faces. Keeping Bush and Cheney in power impacts every aspect of society from child health care, education, the environment, the U.S. reputation abroad and beyond.

Posted by SF Marcher 10/27
a resident of Community Center
on Oct 24, 2007 at 11:46 pm

While it isn't getting much press, there is a world-wide effort to demonstrate against the war on Saturday. SF is one of the main march sites. www.oct27.org is the main website and has a link to the SF march details. Time to show up and make our collective voices heard!

Posted by Walter_E_Wallis
a resident of Midtown
on Oct 25, 2007 at 4:13 am

This world wide demonstration against the war - will demonstrators in Islamic countries be demanding an end to Jihad? Will Iranians demand a halt to exporting land mines to Iraq? Will Syrians demand a halt to supplying weapons to Hezbolah?
No, the demonstration will be a demand that the civilized world surrender to the knackers.

Posted by huh?
a resident of South of Midtown
on Oct 25, 2007 at 7:42 am

Well said, Walter...

2 cents: Millions killed and a country destroyed? Time to read better news outlets. Saddam murdered about 70,000/year on average for 25 years....I would rather be in Iraq now where the will of the majority of the people, who are good, is taking root, than in the country when a brutal despot raped, pillaged and started senseless wars for power and money with nobody to stop him or his family.

I know you are going to answer that "this is about power and money also", and simply answered..no it isn't, but I don't really care if anyone thinks it is. Keep sniping..history is unfolding and putting comments like yours into context, just like the Chamberlain supporters and isolationists of our country before the 2nd World War are now in context.

I guess you haven't been reading any papers. The middle class, which could have left when Saddam was in power, is fleeing the country in droves, because they can hardly step out side their front doors or go to their businesses without being shot or raped. Saddam was scum, but the country under U.S. "control" (that was a joke, folks) is in far worse shape.

Posted by Carol Mullen
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Oct 25, 2007 at 10:23 am

The conservatives who are dismayed at the loss of American prestige and power, and the former commanders in Iraq, may be the people who get us out of this quagmire. Certainly, Congress appears to want to keep us in Iraq, at least until the election. No signs of intelligent life have emerged there since 2006. They seem oblivious to the fact that we know they're also to blame, so perhaps we need to stop calling it Bush's war?

Also, many corporations are dismayed at the loss of sales, as "brand America" has become Iraq. Nike, CocaCola, have gone public about their loss of sales overseas.

Posted by at last..hope
a resident of Midtown
on Oct 25, 2007 at 11:28 am

We get out through leaving a stable democracy capable of defending itself, not through retreating in defeat.

That has been the plan from the beginning.

Looks like it is happening. We were too soft, trying to "win hearts and minds", and paid a high price. The "surge" was finally the right thing to do, and what many of us wanted to do for at least 2 years before, but it would have never been allowed politically here because of our left-wing.

Posted by D
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Oct 25, 2007 at 1:34 pm

last..hope:
How, exactly, did the "left-wing" prevent the surge "for at least 2 years"? If you recall, the surge started after the midterm elections. So for most of those two years, it was Republicans who ran all branches of the government.

Posted by Big stick, speak softly
a resident of South of Midtown
on Oct 25, 2007 at 1:58 pm

The left wing, including the media, was trying to size us down and get us out of Iraq no matter what. Everytime there was even a little increase in troop levels, like right before an election, there was screaming about "escalation" etc. I completely agree with you, the Republicans were in charge and could have ignored it, but the problem with the Repubs is that they kept trying to "please" the left..So, yes, it is at the Repub's feet, that we didn't do it sooner, including small footprint thinkers ( admire the intent, but it was failing soon after Fallujah)

As soon as Bush announced that he was going to support a surge, the left started yelling about a bigger quagmire, pretending that they hadn't been agitating for a different plan for months and months. Even Reid, who had been calling for a surge, suddenly fought it, because Bush was for it.

Honestly, that was when I finally realized that it didn't matter what Bush did, the "opposition party" was always going to take the "opposition" side. They lost a lot of points with me on that glaring reversal. I had actually been agreeing with them as they called for more troops.

Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on Oct 25, 2007 at 3:43 pm

The U.S. is the superpower. Were are not, by temperment, a diplomatic people. One of our state flags says, "Live Free or Die". WWI was probably the best of the liberation wars that we have fought, in terms of that temperment (when Johnny came marching home, he was ready to party after kicking some Hun ass...Europe could take care of itself). That attitude (formally called isolationism) lead, directly, to WWII. After WWII, the U.S. decided to stay involved, basically taking the place of Britain. If we had not, all of Europe would have fallen to the communists. It was a long road, but we hung in there, and won the Cold War (thank you, Mr. Reagan).

Now we are engaged in a titantic battle against Islamist aggression. We get very little help from our erstwhile allies on this one (Britain, under Blair, and Australia, under Howard, are exceptions). The left in this country and in Europe, are still hypnotized by socialist thoughts...worse, many are also pacifists (unless the fight is to end capitalism).

On the one hand, I wouldn't mind seeing the U.S. pull back to isolationism, if only to watch European women being forced to wear the veil, by their Islamist masters. It might serve as a good object lesson for their American sisterhood. On the other hand, I prefer to see Western freedoms expand, not contract. So far, I am on the side of freedom, but there could come a time when I say (like the left in this country does), "Cut and run". The irony is that the left would suddenly become terrified, and I would not.

In fact, recommended reading for all journalists who want to think about this..

Tammy Bruce's book "The New Thought Police".

For a preliminary for how she arrives at this book, read her first book, "The Death of Right And Wrong". It will open your eyes to what happened to her during the OJ Simpson trail back when she was in charge of NOW in L.A. Just to really blow all your minds about what you BELIEVE to be true because of the media, Dr. Laura Schlessinger is a good friend of Tammy Bruce ( a completely out Dyke and die-hard pro-choicer) and wrote the intro to this book.

Start with these two books. When anyone is done with them and wants other recommendations, just ask for "Conservative Dyke" somewhere, and I will get you more.

This is what I wrote in my last post that was deleted..only this time I took out the names of the religions..( you know, those are bad words)... Any thoughts anyone on the deletion?

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Ok, why was my post deleted that people like me, gays and women, ( as well as all the people in the Gay Pride parade, all abortionists and women who have abortions, all unmarried women who live with men, all women who wear revealing clothing, anyone who speaks out against the government, anyone who speaks out against the abuses of a certain religion, etc) would be the first to "go" if the fundamentalist fascists of a certain religion were to succeed in their stated goal which they are desperately trying to accomplish..to take over the Western World? Why did you delete the point that the groups most belligerently opposed to fighting the spread of any more of a certain group's fringe fascist leanings (please look up the word fascist and then tell me it is an inappropriate use) are the very groups that would be the first to fall, imprisoned or massacred?

If I had condemned the religious terrorists in Ireland, the extremist __________ and ________ who were blowing up innocent people trying to force their way on the people, as _________-Fascists ( look up the word) would you have deleted it? Any intelligent person knows that such a sunlight shining on TRUTH needs to stay on in order to keep the mold of fringes from spreading.

Is it because I used the "(certain religion)" word? Did you notice I didn't care one whit that someone else used the "Judeo-Fascist" word, I simply asked for an example of one?

Come on guys, you can NOT keep protecting intolerant people who can not stand having opinions given. We will slide into dictatorship little by little if you keep it up.

the democrats dont do anything but cement their reputation for being stupid spineless hippy crybabies every time they go running away with their tail through their legs and spewing apologies when a republican calls them unpatriotic. what they need to say is BUSH LOST THE WAR AND HE HATES THE MILITARY

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