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After reading your reply I have to say that is one of the best posts I have ever read. I don't agree with you, but you clearly show your commitment and are resolute. Again, I don't agree with you, but you are the only person in this discussion thread that has shown backbone and commitment. For what it's worth, I respect that.

I personally know three woman that are happy, 20 years after the fact, that they had abortions and are quite happy with their decision.

If I can be presumptuous, I think you are making a mistake by thinking that everyone thinks like you do. Some of us aren't religious and some of us don't melt at the sight of a defenseless infant. Some of us don't get all gooey inside when we hold a baby and think they are cute and cuddly and adorable.

That's not what I asked. How many women do you know who considered abortion, had the baby, and now wish they'd aborted?

How many had abortions they will regret forever?

That some are OK with it is well known. That many, many are not is well known. How many did NOT abort, and can look at the child and wish they had?

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In actual dollars, President Obamaís $4.4 trillion in deficit spending in just three years is 37 percent higher than the previous record of $3.2 trillion (held by President George W. Bush) in deficit spending for an entire presidency. Itís no small feat to demolish an 8-year record in just 3 years.

Under Obamaís own projections, interest payments on the debt are on course to triple from 2010 (his first budgetary year) to 2018, climbing from $196 billion to $685 billion annually.

Laws simply don't deter some things effectively, is all. Especially when over half the country is sympathetic to the idea or act in question.

It will take laws + enforcement + time for something to work. Over half the country was sympathetic to slavery at the time of the abolitionists. Yet does that make slavery right? Of course not. Many people followed Hitler. Does that justify his acts? No. Terrorists are also supported by many people, but are their killings right? No. Because some people think something is right does not make it right.

Originally Posted by wilbur

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I can second that...even though I am a Christian that was a pretty lame answer considering that wilbur isn't and doesn't believe in any of that. Useless argument. You can't convince Muslims that Jesus said not to do something because Muslims are not Christians.

"Government's first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives."
-Ronald ReaganLife is a story; if you stay on the same page forever you will never finish it.
"There are days you are the pigeon and days you are the statue."

I've really addressed everything you have said about 50 times over by now... so I'm tired of repeating myself... but..

When exactly was man or the world better or more civilized than it is today?

So, because we've always practiced evil, we should not attempt to reduce the evil we do?

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In actual dollars, President Obamaís $4.4 trillion in deficit spending in just three years is 37 percent higher than the previous record of $3.2 trillion (held by President George W. Bush) in deficit spending for an entire presidency. Itís no small feat to demolish an 8-year record in just 3 years.

Under Obamaís own projections, interest payments on the debt are on course to triple from 2010 (his first budgetary year) to 2018, climbing from $196 billion to $685 billion annually.

So, because we've always practiced evil, we should not attempt to reduce the evil we do?

I didnt say that at all. But if one is going to talk about today as if everythings going downhill and to hell and a handbasket, while referencing some unspecified time in the past when everything was allegedly peachy, you are going to get called on it.