Pope says Catholic Church must stand firm against “intolerant agnosticism” - Atheist Nexus2018-03-19T15:00:51Zhttp://atheistnexus.org/forum/topics/pope-says-catholic-church-must-stand-firm-against-intolerant?commentId=2182797%3AComment%3A2145363&xg_source=activity&feed=yes&xn_auth=noThey want us to be scared of…tag:atheistnexus.org,2013-01-17:2182797:Comment:21456252013-01-17T01:57:30.014ZLoren Millerhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/LorenMiller
<p>They want us to be scared of their god, scared of excommunication, scared of hell, and, of course, scared of them. That way, they stay in power and everyone else remains under their individual and collective thumbs, which they LIKE. Not gonna happen, of course, not here, anyway.<br/><br/>But so long as there are people who fear death and must imagine their own unknown continuation into a life after death, the RC guys or someone like them will prosper onward.</p>
<p>They want us to be scared of their god, scared of excommunication, scared of hell, and, of course, scared of them. That way, they stay in power and everyone else remains under their individual and collective thumbs, which they LIKE. Not gonna happen, of course, not here, anyway.<br/><br/>But so long as there are people who fear death and must imagine their own unknown continuation into a life after death, the RC guys or someone like them will prosper onward.</p> This pope, and the catholic c…tag:atheistnexus.org,2013-01-17:2182797:Comment:21453632013-01-17T01:47:56.369ZDaniel Whttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/Daniel62301
<p>This pope, and the catholic church's representatives continue to push their orwellian newspeak lies. To them, freedom is tyrrany and tyranny is freedom. </p>
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<p>I really think this pope will only be happy if there was a return to when there was the catholic demagogue's true freedom of religion. No government to stand in the way of catholic hegemony, no resistance to the catholic church's burning of "witches" and heretics, torture of people who are threats to the church's power, no…</p>
<p>This pope, and the catholic church's representatives continue to push their orwellian newspeak lies. To them, freedom is tyrrany and tyranny is freedom. </p>
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<p>I really think this pope will only be happy if there was a return to when there was the catholic demagogue's true freedom of religion. No government to stand in the way of catholic hegemony, no resistance to the catholic church's burning of "witches" and heretics, torture of people who are threats to the church's power, no person who can stand up to bishops and popes forcing peasant to walk across europe and the middle east in attempts to return the "holy land" - that accursed place - into the hands of the "mother"church. </p> They do not necessarily guara…tag:atheistnexus.org,2013-01-17:2182797:Comment:21453492013-01-17T00:14:30.741ZJames Kzhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/JamesKz
<p>They do not necessarily guarantee their own extinction. Especially the more Fundamentalist religious sects.</p>
<p>There is a reason for that.</p>
<p>How many atheists here are actually willing to go to war and possibly suffer death to preserve the pernicious creep of religion in politics? Are you willing to die for your belief (or in this case, no belief)?</p>
<p>They are. Martyrdom is a reward, not an ending. They are willing to die to impose their beliefs on us, the minority, those that…</p>
<p>They do not necessarily guarantee their own extinction. Especially the more Fundamentalist religious sects.</p>
<p>There is a reason for that.</p>
<p>How many atheists here are actually willing to go to war and possibly suffer death to preserve the pernicious creep of religion in politics? Are you willing to die for your belief (or in this case, no belief)?</p>
<p>They are. Martyrdom is a reward, not an ending. They are willing to die to impose their beliefs on us, the minority, those that are Christian and Muslim.</p>
<p>It is why there is a gradual takeover of the US military by evangelicals. It is why radicals in the name of Islam sponsor terror acts around the globe.</p>
<p>If you are not willing to die for the cause of secularism, then you -will- lose, because they are willing to die for their cause, and there are more of them than us. The tree of Liberty must be watered from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants; it is its natural manure.</p>
<p>There are few who espouse the causes of atheism or secularism that will even admit it in the open public forum, much less stand and die for those principles. That is why I keep mentioning that atheists (as they stand today) do not deserve their rights.</p>
<p>They are not willing to defend their rights. You do not gain or keep rights by letting others do the heavy lifting.</p>
<p>Thus the cause of secularism, unless things change, is already lost. This nation's unique experiment in secular government is in mortal peril.</p>
<p>There is a reason ever-more-religiously-radical politicians get elected and no atheists. No atheist will even stand for office (except for me, and I was appointed, not elected, in a town so far removed from civilisation that we wouldn't know if the sun went nova for three weeks, but we have lots of Minuteman III missiles around here, run by the ever-more evangelical military).</p>
<p>Remember the phrase from hippie days gone by? Better dead than red? Fortunately there were enough folk like me that didn't buy the nonsense there is no cause worth dying for, that were willing to serve and even die if that's what it took to preserve the idea of western democracy over communism.</p>
<p>There are few or none that will even stand up and say they are an atheist (in public not here). They will not defend it, and they will become irrelevant.</p> Initially I thought "Whoah!!…tag:atheistnexus.org,2013-01-16:2182797:Comment:21452272013-01-16T19:42:50.015ZGreghttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/GregPeyton
<p>Initially I thought "Whoah!! Right on Popester!", don't change a thing. They guarantee their own extinction if they continue with their absolutely obsolete ideas. Then it occurred to me, their authority rests in large part in being immune to change. To change would be to invite the idea that god himself changes his mind and is therefore less than perfect. Ok, I give them points for at least seeing the pothole in front of them. I'm still unsure how perfect the pope is supposed to be in light…</p>
<p>Initially I thought "Whoah!! Right on Popester!", don't change a thing. They guarantee their own extinction if they continue with their absolutely obsolete ideas. Then it occurred to me, their authority rests in large part in being immune to change. To change would be to invite the idea that god himself changes his mind and is therefore less than perfect. Ok, I give them points for at least seeing the pothole in front of them. I'm still unsure how perfect the pope is supposed to be in light of that whole Galileo fiasco. Anyway...</p>
<p>I'm surprised agnosticism has caught their eye. As opposition, what makes it inviting enough for special attention. Don't they have their hands full with the whole atheism war? All I can figure is they see questioning, completely free of dogma as being especially dangerous. At least with positive atheism they can respond that it's a misguided dogmatic religion with zealots making claims based on less than proof. Pot, meet kettle. Agnosticism?...yeah whatever guys, you go on and we'll be over here doing our own thing.</p>
<p>Maybe open mindedness is the real enemy to the church. We've been here quite a while so I just don't get what has them throwing the latest hissy.</p> they had JFK taken out imho
w…tag:atheistnexus.org,2013-01-16:2182797:Comment:21451472013-01-16T19:07:23.659ZAgeOfAtheists14http://atheistnexus.org/profile/secularorbust
they had JFK taken out imho<br />
why lie? it's all about the real estate and laundering @ that little spec on the globe called vaticant citay
they had JFK taken out imho<br />
why lie? it's all about the real estate and laundering @ that little spec on the globe called vaticant citay they had JFK taken out imho
w…tag:atheistnexus.org,2013-01-16:2182797:Comment:21451442013-01-16T19:07:17.361ZAgeOfAtheists14http://atheistnexus.org/profile/secularorbust
they had JFK taken out imho<br />
why lie? it's all about the real estate and laundering @ that little spec on the globe called vaticant citay
they had JFK taken out imho<br />
why lie? it's all about the real estate and laundering @ that little spec on the globe called vaticant citay he firmly rejected suggestion…tag:atheistnexus.org,2013-01-15:2182797:Comment:21439692013-01-15T00:11:38.404ZGila Guerillahttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/GilaGuerilla
<p><em><strong>he firmly rejected suggestions the Church should change to suit public opinion</strong></em></p>
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<p>And of course that wouldn't count as intolerance - of public opinion - would it?</p>
<p><em><strong>he firmly rejected suggestions the Church should change to suit public opinion</strong></em></p>
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<p>And of course that wouldn't count as intolerance - of public opinion - would it?</p> According to that thinking he…tag:atheistnexus.org,2013-01-12:2182797:Comment:21427222013-01-12T22:51:54.366ZChizu_Sandohttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/Pallida
<p>According to that thinking he still endorses slavery but is too chicken to say so. He really is Palpatine.</p>
<p>According to that thinking he still endorses slavery but is too chicken to say so. He really is Palpatine.</p> And that is why Bennie is a D…tag:atheistnexus.org,2013-01-12:2182797:Comment:21424142013-01-12T20:21:52.129ZLoren Millerhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/LorenMiller
<p>And that is why Bennie is a DICK.</p>
<p>And that is why Bennie is a DICK.</p> "In a homily to about 10,000…tag:atheistnexus.org,2013-01-12:2182797:Comment:21426582013-01-12T20:16:19.188ZEddie Baileyhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/EddieBailey
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<p><em>"In a homily to about 10,000 people in St Peter's Basilica in Vatican City, <strong>he firmly rejected suggestions the Church should change to suit public opinion</strong>."</em></p>
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<p>Like the public opinion that, perhaps, covering up the rape of <em>countless</em> young boys is probably a poor choice?<em><br></br></em></p>
<p>Yeah, I think he's already proven that he's "firmly rejected" a lot of things.</p>
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<p>And now, with this as my first post on this site, I'd…</p>
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<p><em>"In a homily to about 10,000 people in St Peter's Basilica in Vatican City, <strong>he firmly rejected suggestions the Church should change to suit public opinion</strong>."</em></p>
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<p>Like the public opinion that, perhaps, covering up the rape of <em>countless</em> young boys is probably a poor choice?<em><br/></em></p>
<p>Yeah, I think he's already proven that he's "firmly rejected" a lot of things.</p>
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<p>And now, with this as my first post on this site, I'd like to leave you with a song:<br/><a rel="nofollow" href="http://vimeo.com/11338327" target="_blank">Tim Minchin - The Pope Song</a></p>
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