It's
possible that this is an elliptical clip with one side of the ellipse
interrupted by a curved clip. Far less likely is a corner clip interrupted by
a curved clip.

I should be in a better position to assess the nature of
this clip after it arrives.

Mike Diamond

Actually, I do now remember seeing an elliptical clip cent with a much smaller curved clip along one side of the ellipse. So such errors do happen. Whether

Message 2 of 13
, Jun 8, 2011

Actually, I do now remember seeing an elliptical clip cent with a much smaller curved clip along one side of the ellipse. So such errors do happen. Whether this dime belongs in the same category remains to be seen.

this seller in my opinion isnt the the most knowledgeable about errors,but hes been around for some time,and ive never seen a bogus error from him.ive also

Message 5 of 13
, Jun 9, 2011

this seller in my opinion isnt the the most knowledgeable about errors,but hes been around for some time,and ive never seen a bogus error from him.ive also bought several times from him with no problems.good seller.

The seller is merely a conduit for coins sent by her consigner. While some have been inaccurately described, I ve never encountered a fake. I m reasonably

Message 6 of 13
, Jun 10, 2011

The seller is merely a conduit for coins sent by her consigner. While some have been inaccurately described, I've never encountered a fake.

I'm reasonably confident this is genuine because the reverse face shows finning of the rim. This is a common side-effect of large clips, as all the force of the strike is concentrated in a smaller area.

--- In errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com, iberdy2 <no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> I saw this too....the lack of metal flow... AND a small picture with a large description lettering PLUS the "NO RETURNS ACCEPTED" made me shy away from it. BUT your expertise has always amazed me. GL
>
>
>
> --- In errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Diamond" <mdia1@> wrote:
> >
> > I don't recall having seen another clip exactly like this:
> >
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260793748395
> >
> > It's possible that this is an elliptical clip with one side of the ellipse interrupted by a curved clip. Far less likely is a corner clip interrupted by a curved clip.
> >
> > I should be in a better position to assess the nature of this clip after it arrives.
> >
>

fred_weinberg

Yes, as Mike mentiioned, the coin is a genuine clip, and I m looking forward to your analysis of it. The seller is a relative of the owner, and as you said, he

Message 7 of 13
, Jun 10, 2011

Yes, as Mike mentiioned, the coin is a genuine clip,
and I'm looking forward to your analysis of it.

The seller is a relative of the owner, and as you
said, he knows pretty much what's a genuine error
and what's damage......

I've purchased tens of thousands of errors from
him in the past 10 years or so, but now, due to
the new presses, he gets substantially less material
that in the past, and he has the relative put the
material up on Ebay.

He's a great guy, and he'll be in Chicago during
the ANA. A few of his 'put aside' errors will be
in the Heritage Pre-ANA auction - a couple of really
nice items that he wanted to auction......

--- In errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Diamond" <mdia1@...> wrote:
>
> The seller is merely a conduit for coins sent by her consigner. While some have been inaccurately described, I've never encountered a fake.
>
> I'm reasonably confident this is genuine because the reverse face shows finning of the rim. This is a common side-effect of large clips, as all the force of the strike is concentrated in a smaller area.
>
> --- In errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com, iberdy2 <no_reply@> wrote:
> >
> > I saw this too....the lack of metal flow... AND a small picture with a large description lettering PLUS the "NO RETURNS ACCEPTED" made me shy away from it. BUT your expertise has always amazed me. GL
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Diamond" <mdia1@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I don't recall having seen another clip exactly like this:
> > >
> > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260793748395
> > >
> > > It's possible that this is an elliptical clip with one side of the ellipse interrupted by a curved clip. Far less likely is a corner clip interrupted by a curved clip.
> > >
> > > I should be in a better position to assess the nature of this clip after it arrives.
> > >
> >
>

Mike Diamond

The key to figuring out what kind of clip(s) I m dealing with will be edge texture and asymmetry in core exposure. If I see a nice cut-and-tear texture along

Message 8 of 13
, Jun 10, 2011

The key to figuring out what kind of clip(s) I'm dealing with will be edge texture and asymmetry in core exposure. If I see a nice cut-and-tear texture along the outer edge two angled ends that will support these being the ends of an elliptical clip. Any odd, irregular texture will support some other scenario.

If the visible core is closer to one face, that will also support an interrupted elliptical clip as the explanation for the two angled ends. If the asymmetry along the normal, reeded edge is the same as that seen on the two angled ends, that will add further support to the idea of an interrupted elliptical clip. If the asymmetry along the edge of the curved clip is in the opposite direction, that will provide the final, necessary piece of evidence.

Of course, the coin could be so thin from the extra pressure that none of this will be visible.

--- In errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com, fred_weinberg <no_reply@...> wrote:
>
>
> Yes, as Mike mentiioned, the coin is a genuine clip,
> and I'm looking forward to your analysis of it.
>
> The seller is a relative of the owner, and as you
> said, he knows pretty much what's a genuine error
> and what's damage......
>
> I've purchased tens of thousands of errors from
> him in the past 10 years or so, but now, due to
> the new presses, he gets substantially less material
> that in the past, and he has the relative put the
> material up on Ebay.
>
> He's a great guy, and he'll be in Chicago during
> the ANA. A few of his 'put aside' errors will be
> in the Heritage Pre-ANA auction - a couple of really
> nice items that he wanted to auction......
> --- In errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Diamond" <mdia1@> wrote:
> >
> > The seller is merely a conduit for coins sent by her consigner. While some have been inaccurately described, I've never encountered a fake.
> >
> > I'm reasonably confident this is genuine because the reverse face shows finning of the rim. This is a common side-effect of large clips, as all the force of the strike is concentrated in a smaller area.
> >
> > --- In errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com, iberdy2 <no_reply@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I saw this too....the lack of metal flow... AND a small picture with a large description lettering PLUS the "NO RETURNS ACCEPTED" made me shy away from it. BUT your expertise has always amazed me. GL
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Diamond" <mdia1@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I don't recall having seen another clip exactly like this:
> > > >
> > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260793748395
> > > >
> > > > It's possible that this is an elliptical clip with one side of the ellipse interrupted by a curved clip. Far less likely is a corner clip interrupted by a curved clip.
> > > >
> > > > I should be in a better position to assess the nature of this clip after it arrives.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Mike Diamond

With the coin in hand, I can now confirm that the two angled ends most likely represent the ends of an elliptical clip interrupted by a curved clip. The

Message 9 of 13
, Jun 13, 2011

With the coin in hand, I can now confirm that the two angled ends most likely represent the ends of an elliptical clip interrupted by a curved clip. The exposed copper core is closest to the reverse face on the normal reeded edge and the outer edge of the two angled ends. In fact, there's unbroken continuity between the exposed core in these areas. By contrast, the exposed core along the edge of the curved clip is closer to the obverse face.

It may be that a blank with a curved clip hung up in its hole in the coin metal strip and was then sliced through again by the blanking die. Alternatively, an elliptical clip blank may have gotten trapped beneath the moving coin metal strip and gotten sliced through by the blanking die on a second (or, more accurately, a third) pass.

I think this is a pretty cool blanking error that's worth a write-up in Coin World. It goes well with my quadruple-struck dime in which one clip is elliptical and the other three curved. If any of you have any multi-clip/elliptical clip combination errors you'd like to have included in the treatment, let me know.

--- In errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Diamond" <mdia1@...> wrote:
>
> The key to figuring out what kind of clip(s) I'm dealing with will be edge texture and asymmetry in core exposure. If I see a nice cut-and-tear texture along the outer edge two angled ends that will support these being the ends of an elliptical clip. Any odd, irregular texture will support some other scenario.
>
> If the visible core is closer to one face, that will also support an interrupted elliptical clip as the explanation for the two angled ends. If the asymmetry along the normal, reeded edge is the same as that seen on the two angled ends, that will add further support to the idea of an interrupted elliptical clip. If the asymmetry along the edge of the curved clip is in the opposite direction, that will provide the final, necessary piece of evidence.
>
> Of course, the coin could be so thin from the extra pressure that none of this will be visible.
>
> --- In errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com, fred_weinberg <no_reply@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Yes, as Mike mentiioned, the coin is a genuine clip,
> > and I'm looking forward to your analysis of it.
> >
> > The seller is a relative of the owner, and as you
> > said, he knows pretty much what's a genuine error
> > and what's damage......
> >
> > I've purchased tens of thousands of errors from
> > him in the past 10 years or so, but now, due to
> > the new presses, he gets substantially less material
> > that in the past, and he has the relative put the
> > material up on Ebay.
> >
> > He's a great guy, and he'll be in Chicago during
> > the ANA. A few of his 'put aside' errors will be
> > in the Heritage Pre-ANA auction - a couple of really
> > nice items that he wanted to auction......
> > --- In errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Diamond" <mdia1@> wrote:
> > >
> > > The seller is merely a conduit for coins sent by her consigner. While some have been inaccurately described, I've never encountered a fake.
> > >
> > > I'm reasonably confident this is genuine because the reverse face shows finning of the rim. This is a common side-effect of large clips, as all the force of the strike is concentrated in a smaller area.
> > >
> > > --- In errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com, iberdy2 <no_reply@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I saw this too....the lack of metal flow... AND a small picture with a large description lettering PLUS the "NO RETURNS ACCEPTED" made me shy away from it. BUT your expertise has always amazed me. GL
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Diamond" <mdia1@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't recall having seen another clip exactly like this:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260793748395
> > > > >
> > > > > It's possible that this is an elliptical clip with one side of the ellipse interrupted by a curved clip. Far less likely is a corner clip interrupted by a curved clip.
> > > > >
> > > > > I should be in a better position to assess the nature of this clip after it arrives.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Travis

Mike. Are you looking for combination clip errors only, or are you looking for clip errors combined with other errors (such as striking errors)?

Message 10 of 13
, Jun 13, 2011

Mike. Are you looking for combination clip errors only, or are you looking for clip errors combined with other errors (such as striking errors)?

--- In errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Diamond" <mdia1@...> wrote:
>
> With the coin in hand, I can now confirm that the two angled ends most likely represent the ends of an elliptical clip interrupted by a curved clip. The exposed copper core is closest to the reverse face on the normal reeded edge and the outer edge of the two angled ends. In fact, there's unbroken continuity between the exposed core in these areas. By contrast, the exposed core along the edge of the curved clip is closer to the obverse face.
>
> It may be that a blank with a curved clip hung up in its hole in the coin metal strip and was then sliced through again by the blanking die. Alternatively, an elliptical clip blank may have gotten trapped beneath the moving coin metal strip and gotten sliced through by the blanking die on a second (or, more accurately, a third) pass.
>
> I think this is a pretty cool blanking error that's worth a write-up in Coin World. It goes well with my quadruple-struck dime in which one clip is elliptical and the other three curved. If any of you have any multi-clip/elliptical clip combination errors you'd like to have included in the treatment, let me know.
>
> --- In errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Diamond" <mdia1@> wrote:
> >
> > The key to figuring out what kind of clip(s) I'm dealing with will be edge texture and asymmetry in core exposure. If I see a nice cut-and-tear texture along the outer edge two angled ends that will support these being the ends of an elliptical clip. Any odd, irregular texture will support some other scenario.
> >
> > If the visible core is closer to one face, that will also support an interrupted elliptical clip as the explanation for the two angled ends. If the asymmetry along the normal, reeded edge is the same as that seen on the two angled ends, that will add further support to the idea of an interrupted elliptical clip. If the asymmetry along the edge of the curved clip is in the opposite direction, that will provide the final, necessary piece of evidence.
> >
> > Of course, the coin could be so thin from the extra pressure that none of this will be visible.
> >
> > --- In errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com, fred_weinberg <no_reply@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes, as Mike mentiioned, the coin is a genuine clip,
> > > and I'm looking forward to your analysis of it.
> > >
> > > The seller is a relative of the owner, and as you
> > > said, he knows pretty much what's a genuine error
> > > and what's damage......
> > >
> > > I've purchased tens of thousands of errors from
> > > him in the past 10 years or so, but now, due to
> > > the new presses, he gets substantially less material
> > > that in the past, and he has the relative put the
> > > material up on Ebay.
> > >
> > > He's a great guy, and he'll be in Chicago during
> > > the ANA. A few of his 'put aside' errors will be
> > > in the Heritage Pre-ANA auction - a couple of really
> > > nice items that he wanted to auction......
> > > --- In errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Diamond" <mdia1@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The seller is merely a conduit for coins sent by her consigner. While some have been inaccurately described, I've never encountered a fake.
> > > >
> > > > I'm reasonably confident this is genuine because the reverse face shows finning of the rim. This is a common side-effect of large clips, as all the force of the strike is concentrated in a smaller area.
> > > >
> > > > --- In errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com, iberdy2 <no_reply@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I saw this too....the lack of metal flow... AND a small picture with a large description lettering PLUS the "NO RETURNS ACCEPTED" made me shy away from it. BUT your expertise has always amazed me. GL
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Diamond" <mdia1@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I don't recall having seen another clip exactly like this:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260793748395
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It's possible that this is an elliptical clip with one side of the ellipse interrupted by a curved clip. Far less likely is a corner clip interrupted by a curved clip.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I should be in a better position to assess the nature of this clip after it arrives.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Travis

Now that I have reread, I m guessing you meant quadruple-clipped dime instead of quadruple-struck.

Message 11 of 13
, Jun 13, 2011

Now that I have reread, I'm guessing you meant quadruple-clipped dime instead of quadruple-struck.

--- In errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Diamond" <mdia1@...> wrote:
>
> With the coin in hand, I can now confirm that the two angled ends most likely represent the ends of an elliptical clip interrupted by a curved clip. The exposed copper core is closest to the reverse face on the normal reeded edge and the outer edge of the two angled ends. In fact, there's unbroken continuity between the exposed core in these areas. By contrast, the exposed core along the edge of the curved clip is closer to the obverse face.
>
> It may be that a blank with a curved clip hung up in its hole in the coin metal strip and was then sliced through again by the blanking die. Alternatively, an elliptical clip blank may have gotten trapped beneath the moving coin metal strip and gotten sliced through by the blanking die on a second (or, more accurately, a third) pass.
>
> I think this is a pretty cool blanking error that's worth a write-up in Coin World. It goes well with my quadruple-struck dime in which one clip is elliptical and the other three curved. If any of you have any multi-clip/elliptical clip combination errors you'd like to have included in the treatment, let me know.
>
> --- In errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Diamond" <mdia1@> wrote:
> >
> > The key to figuring out what kind of clip(s) I'm dealing with will be edge texture and asymmetry in core exposure. If I see a nice cut-and-tear texture along the outer edge two angled ends that will support these being the ends of an elliptical clip. Any odd, irregular texture will support some other scenario.
> >
> > If the visible core is closer to one face, that will also support an interrupted elliptical clip as the explanation for the two angled ends. If the asymmetry along the normal, reeded edge is the same as that seen on the two angled ends, that will add further support to the idea of an interrupted elliptical clip. If the asymmetry along the edge of the curved clip is in the opposite direction, that will provide the final, necessary piece of evidence.
> >
> > Of course, the coin could be so thin from the extra pressure that none of this will be visible.
> >
> > --- In errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com, fred_weinberg <no_reply@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes, as Mike mentiioned, the coin is a genuine clip,
> > > and I'm looking forward to your analysis of it.
> > >
> > > The seller is a relative of the owner, and as you
> > > said, he knows pretty much what's a genuine error
> > > and what's damage......
> > >
> > > I've purchased tens of thousands of errors from
> > > him in the past 10 years or so, but now, due to
> > > the new presses, he gets substantially less material
> > > that in the past, and he has the relative put the
> > > material up on Ebay.
> > >
> > > He's a great guy, and he'll be in Chicago during
> > > the ANA. A few of his 'put aside' errors will be
> > > in the Heritage Pre-ANA auction - a couple of really
> > > nice items that he wanted to auction......
> > > --- In errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Diamond" <mdia1@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The seller is merely a conduit for coins sent by her consigner. While some have been inaccurately described, I've never encountered a fake.
> > > >
> > > > I'm reasonably confident this is genuine because the reverse face shows finning of the rim. This is a common side-effect of large clips, as all the force of the strike is concentrated in a smaller area.
> > > >
> > > > --- In errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com, iberdy2 <no_reply@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I saw this too....the lack of metal flow... AND a small picture with a large description lettering PLUS the "NO RETURNS ACCEPTED" made me shy away from it. BUT your expertise has always amazed me. GL
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Diamond" <mdia1@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I don't recall having seen another clip exactly like this:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260793748395
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It's possible that this is an elliptical clip with one side of the ellipse interrupted by a curved clip. Far less likely is a corner clip interrupted by a curved clip.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I should be in a better position to assess the nature of this clip after it arrives.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Mike Diamond

Sorry, yes. I meant a quadruple-clipped dime.

Message 12 of 13
, Jun 13, 2011

Sorry, yes. I meant a quadruple-clipped dime.

--- In errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com, "Travis" <travisbolton543@...> wrote:
>
> Now that I have reread, I'm guessing you meant quadruple-clipped dime instead of quadruple-struck.
>
> --- In errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Diamond" <mdia1@> wrote:
> >
> > With the coin in hand, I can now confirm that the two angled ends most likely represent the ends of an elliptical clip interrupted by a curved clip. The exposed copper core is closest to the reverse face on the normal reeded edge and the outer edge of the two angled ends. In fact, there's unbroken continuity between the exposed core in these areas. By contrast, the exposed core along the edge of the curved clip is closer to the obverse face.
> >
> > It may be that a blank with a curved clip hung up in its hole in the coin metal strip and was then sliced through again by the blanking die. Alternatively, an elliptical clip blank may have gotten trapped beneath the moving coin metal strip and gotten sliced through by the blanking die on a second (or, more accurately, a third) pass.
> >
> > I think this is a pretty cool blanking error that's worth a write-up in Coin World. It goes well with my quadruple-struck dime in which one clip is elliptical and the other three curved. If any of you have any multi-clip/elliptical clip combination errors you'd like to have included in the treatment, let me know.
> >
> > --- In errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Diamond" <mdia1@> wrote:
> > >
> > > The key to figuring out what kind of clip(s) I'm dealing with will be edge texture and asymmetry in core exposure. If I see a nice cut-and-tear texture along the outer edge two angled ends that will support these being the ends of an elliptical clip. Any odd, irregular texture will support some other scenario.
> > >
> > > If the visible core is closer to one face, that will also support an interrupted elliptical clip as the explanation for the two angled ends. If the asymmetry along the normal, reeded edge is the same as that seen on the two angled ends, that will add further support to the idea of an interrupted elliptical clip. If the asymmetry along the edge of the curved clip is in the opposite direction, that will provide the final, necessary piece of evidence.
> > >
> > > Of course, the coin could be so thin from the extra pressure that none of this will be visible.
> > >
> > > --- In errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com, fred_weinberg <no_reply@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yes, as Mike mentiioned, the coin is a genuine clip,
> > > > and I'm looking forward to your analysis of it.
> > > >
> > > > The seller is a relative of the owner, and as you
> > > > said, he knows pretty much what's a genuine error
> > > > and what's damage......
> > > >
> > > > I've purchased tens of thousands of errors from
> > > > him in the past 10 years or so, but now, due to
> > > > the new presses, he gets substantially less material
> > > > that in the past, and he has the relative put the
> > > > material up on Ebay.
> > > >
> > > > He's a great guy, and he'll be in Chicago during
> > > > the ANA. A few of his 'put aside' errors will be
> > > > in the Heritage Pre-ANA auction - a couple of really
> > > > nice items that he wanted to auction......
> > > > --- In errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Diamond" <mdia1@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > The seller is merely a conduit for coins sent by her consigner. While some have been inaccurately described, I've never encountered a fake.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm reasonably confident this is genuine because the reverse face shows finning of the rim. This is a common side-effect of large clips, as all the force of the strike is concentrated in a smaller area.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com, iberdy2 <no_reply@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I saw this too....the lack of metal flow... AND a small picture with a large description lettering PLUS the "NO RETURNS ACCEPTED" made me shy away from it. BUT your expertise has always amazed me. GL
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Diamond" <mdia1@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I don't recall having seen another clip exactly like this:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260793748395
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It's possible that this is an elliptical clip with one side of the ellipse interrupted by a curved clip. Far less likely is a corner clip interrupted by a curved clip.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I should be in a better position to assess the nature of this clip after it arrives.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

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