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Generally speaking a UL will have a useable range of about 3-8 mph (1or2-7 mph for a SUL) after that you're better using a standard. That said, there are several standards that will fly down to probably 4mph.

From what you say eventually you would probably be best with a UL and a standard, but if you have to go with one kite go for a standard with a good low range.

Hi Dano, I'm in the process with a Nexus.I can control it well and try to have a good hand position.I control turns (push, pull & combined), can start to Stall & Axel.So I will not smash a kite any more (not that I have at any point though )Cheers,

Simple answer to your question is Norm's Widow Maker sale in the swap meet. One price - two kites.

Right Gamelord, but... at a price... I will go little by little.

N.

As someone who has spent far too much on kites in the past ( and I'm probably not alone), I can tell you that 'stepping stones', gradually getting better kites, isn't the way to go. Once you're past the nosediver stage and can land the kite safely it's better to go for the best kite you can afford. It'll be easier to fly and learn on and will last you a long long time. Those Widow Makers would set you up for a long while and probably work out cheaper in the long run than buying 'stepping stones'.

I do agree with hadge on this one...My kite bag is FULL of mediocre kites that just dont get flown much.I am in the market for a widow maker but i do agree that the panel layout is not very appealing.I find too much colour and panels make a kite look cheap.If your looking for a good UL for a beginner i would have to say the flying wings silverfoxes are a great choice.The UL's can def take a beating and are def trick capable.They sell for around $150-160 canadian depending on whether u want the 2.3 or 2.5I have every silverfox they make....i might be willing to sell one if your interested.

I am in the market for a widow maker but i do agree that the panel layout is not very appealing.I find too much colour and panels make a kite look cheap.If your looking for a good UL for a beginner i would have to say the flying wings silverfoxes are a great choice.

If you like the Silver Foxes you might want to also take a look at the Flying Wings Soul, very very nice kite, very capable and a real step up from the Silver Fox.

The soul is an amazing kite! I have two of them and they both fly great!Jacobs ladders the best out of all of my kites thats forsure.Brand new they are not very cheap but i have seen a few go on the swap meet for a fair price.

Ara,Your quest is something i did sometimes ago Sometimes when there will be no wind at all, i would have loved to fly one of those no wind kite and enjoy the feeling of flying something.Then with experience and as my flying skills got better, i sat at the beach on a no wind day and thought to myself what i would have done if i had a SUL that day. With my flying style which is more of the roll-ups and sometime speedy, an SUL would not fit in my bag and my flying style. Then one day i came across a deal here for a Zephyr and read some good reviews about it. It has a low wind range, even if more of a L than UL, it will cover the lightest winds i have here and stands the gusts that may arise during that same day/flying sessions. It was large enough for my tricking style and had the speed i fly in and made me move a lot on the field to keep it in the air. So think about what you would like to do with a kite and what is your flying style before going for a new kite.As for sail design and patterns, i think the Zephyr is a good masterpiece

Wish you good luck in your quest of the perfect kite matching your conditions

If you want to fly in winds that are 2 - 4 mph, learning to fly a UL is a great pleasure. It is a different style and can be very relaxing. You don't have to spend a great amount for an ok UL. My first was an HQ City Session. It flys fine in 3 to 4 mph. From there I have spend a good deal on very nice UL, SUL and zero wind kites. It doesn't hurt to "step" into them.

Some ideas you might find "previously loved" for an attractive price

Level One - Easy LiteLevel One - Merlin, Genesis, Century 21, Jumping Jack Flash in a UL (often called extreme) model If you can find a nice used Century 21 UL that could be a very good start for a ULPrism - Flash Light

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ericforum member since 04/21/2001and still can't fly like those darn videos

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