Re: Rate The Ret Paladin Above You

[size=6pt]1) Using hit food instead of Str food is a dps loss, when you can get it by gemming (usually at the cost of crit) or enchanting (less AP loss, than the food) instead.

2) Now....
-2 : Move points out of Divinity and get Aura Mastery + Seal of Command.
-1 : Use Glyph of Seal of Vengeance instead of Exorcism as long as you need at least 2 Expertise (you need 3)
-1 : Str Cloak, because Exp/Arp is just horrible you're better of taking the Agi one instead or just about any other cloak.
-1 : There are plenty +4 (cloak + ring) and even a +6 yellow slot (gloves) you have skippped this is a dps loss: if you place 2*10Hit/10Str in them you'll get Hit capped with a Draenei only (no more useless hit food !_!) and the 3rd one should be a 10Crit/10Str instead of pure Str.
-1 : Expertise on bracers is bad get AP instead and use glyph of Seal of Vengeance -.-
=> 4/10

[size=8pt]Thanks allot for your help and tips, much appreciated.

Changed almost everything you told me I did wrong except the gem in my back. Since the back is not optimal for a paladin I will try to replace it as fast as I can.

My question; what cloak would you take instead of this one?
With raiding 10/12 ICC10, 6/15 ICC25 normal

Re: Rate The Ret Paladin Above You

Originally Posted by Brael

Shadowvault Slayer's Cloak from Gunship 25.

The Gear checks out, hit/expertise checks out (the hit is a bit high, but thats thanks to TaJ, no harm done either way ), the spec however I have my reservations to and would recomment the following changes.

Drop 3/3 Healing Light, take 2/2 Unyielding Faith and 3/5 Divine Intellect and then head for Aura Mastery

The reason why:
As a retribution paladin you do not have the mana to heal, hence your 3/3 Healing Light falls short
2/2 Unyielding faith applies to fears cast by i.e Blood Queen Lana'thel and the dragons before Sindragosa, why UF is situational to say the least - it at least has some practice.

If you as a ret paladin need to help out with healing, then I'm sorry to say but your healers are doing something terribly wrong and you either a) need to replace them or b) have a serious word with them. You neither have the cooldowns nor the mana to spam Holy Light (the only thing that'll even make a difference on a boss fight) and if you stop to heal - then you're not doing your job which is to DPS.

I've seen people who take 5/5 Divine Intellect also and...ehm...yeah...A ret paladin in a 25man has what....400 intellect? 10% of that is 40...meaning you get another 400 mana. On top of your 6k mana pool. Is it Really worth 5 talent points? - I don't think so

p.s
Only have my shoulders as heroic (and not chest/helm first) because we were incredibly unlucky on getting the Conqueror 264 tokens in ICC 25 for a very long time. It doesn't matter anyways, more 277 tokens are bound to drop anyways (soon I hope, we've been having a god damn warr/hunt/shaman and rogue/mage/dk/druid spree on the tokens AGAIN for 277 tokens)

Re: Rate The Ret Paladin Above You

Originally Posted by Eärendil

The Gear checks out, hit/expertise checks out (the hit is a bit high, but thats thanks to TaJ, no harm done either way ), the spec however I have my reservations to and would recomment the following changes.

Drop 3/3 Healing Light, take 2/2 Unyielding Faith and 3/5 Divine Intellect and then head for Aura Mastery

The reason why:
As a retribution paladin you do not have the mana to heal, hence your 3/3 Healing Light falls short
2/2 Unyielding faith applies to fears cast by i.e Blood Queen Lana'thel and the dragons before Sindragosa, why UF is situational to say the least - it at least has some practice.

If you as a ret paladin need to help out with healing, then I'm sorry to say but your healers are doing something terribly wrong and you either a) need to replace them or b) have a serious word with them. You neither have the cooldowns nor the mana to spam Holy Light (the only thing that'll even make a difference on a boss fight) and if you stop to heal - then you're not doing your job which is to DPS.

I've seen people who take 5/5 Divine Intellect also and...ehm...yeah...A ret paladin in a 25man has what....400 intellect? 10% of that is 40...meaning you get another 400 mana. On top of your 6k mana pool. Is it Really worth 5 talent points? - I don't think so

p.s
Only have my shoulders as heroic (and not chest/helm first) because we were incredibly unlucky on getting the Conqueror 264 tokens in ICC 25 for a very long time. It doesn't matter anyways, more 277 tokens are bound to drop anyways (soon I hope, we've been having a god damn warr/hunt/shaman and rogue/mage/dk/druid spree on the tokens AGAIN for 277 tokens)

Was rated several pages back Was just giving my opinion on the cloak. Not fixed things because of work recently^^

Next poster rate Eärendil please since i'm going to bed after a 14hour shift :P

EDIT: I was curious Earendil so had to do it myself, 9.5/10, replace that 10str 10hit gem in ur belt plox. Everything else is fine.

Next poster do not rate me, you can rate one of the people on last few pages that have been skipped

Re: Rate The Ret Paladin Above You

It's my alt, and I was wondering of getting shadows edge but since its a alt it's no biggie, but is it like super uber duper good for me?( <-- nab when it comes to alts :< )

Slightly wrong, 9.5/10 for Earendil's wrong gem in his belt, unless ofc he can justify gemming hit after hitcap .. Wanted to make sure he didn't miss me saying it, next posted rate Earthfury as I really am off to bed..

Re: Rate The Ret Paladin Above You

Originally Posted by Eärendil

Drop 3/3 Healing Light, take 2/2 Unyielding Faith and 3/5 Divine Intellect and then head for Aura Mastery

The reason why:
As a retribution paladin you do not have the mana to heal, hence your 3/3 Healing Light falls short
2/2 Unyielding faith applies to fears cast by i.e Blood Queen Lana'thel and the dragons before Sindragosa, why UF is situational to say the least - it at least has some practice.

If you as a ret paladin need to help out with healing, then I'm sorry to say but your healers are doing something terribly wrong and you either a) need to replace them or b) have a serious word with them. You neither have the cooldowns nor the mana to spam Holy Light (the only thing that'll even make a difference on a boss fight) and if you stop to heal - then you're not doing your job which is to DPS.

I've seen people who take 5/5 Divine Intellect also and...ehm...yeah...A ret paladin in a 25man has what....400 intellect? 10% of that is 40...meaning you get another 400 mana. On top of your 6k mana pool. Is it Really worth 5 talent points? - I don't think so

It's either 6% more mana or 12% more heal - neither of them is going to do much, but I'd rather have 12% more heal
- when shit hits the fan like having too many stacks at Sindra or some healers being dead at her, some ghost exploding near you at LDW, having only 2 stacks at festergut with no CD ready...
- at bosses, where you're not always dpsing like Valithria or BQL air phase or Marrowgar Bonestorm can never hurt.

Got rated a few weeks back, got some new goodies in the meanwhile, and yes i need to get rid of those horrid wrists for polar bear claw so i can swap my waist to the heroic ones from sindra but rng dislikes me :<

Got rated a few weeks back, got some new goodies in the meanwhile, and yes i need to get rid of those horrid wrists for polar bear claw so i can swap my waist to the heroic ones from sindra but rng dislikes me :<

cheers, yeah waiting on H Winding sheet to drop havent got it yet and i only changed the neck coz i was waay over hit, also i just changed to glyph of exorcism because i have enough expertise, dont need anymore from the glyph

Re: Rate The Ret Paladin Above You

Was rated several pages back Was just giving my opinion on the cloak. Not fixed things because of work recently^^

Next poster rate Eärendil please since i'm going to bed after a 14hour shift :P

EDIT: I was curious Earendil so had to do it myself, 9.5/10, replace that 10str 10hit gem in ur belt plox. Everything else is fine.

Actually I Just did that right after I made the post I had to gem str/hit in the belt before since I was undercapped before I replaced my old bracers

Originally Posted by Nillo

It's either 6% more mana or 12% more heal - neither of them is going to do much, but I'd rather have 12% more heal
- when shit hits the fan like having too many stacks at Sindra or some healers being dead at her, some ghost exploding near you at LDW, having only 2 stacks at festergut with no CD ready...
- at bosses, where you're not always dpsing like Valithria or BQL air phase or Marrowgar Bonestorm can never hurt.

Again, your job is to DPS, not to heal - if shit hits the fan then it's time to pop a Divine Shield/HoSac/Lay on hands on the tank, not stand there and oom yourself with HL spamming, mate. And as BQL air-phase- you're out of combat for a total of 8 seconds while she is in the air shooting at the raid.

Reason why I say that about BQL is that I pop my racial at the beginning, run to the middle and stand there alone, I smack her once to keep my SoV stack up and pop Aura mastery (with shadow res aura). On the second airphase, repeat the procedure, I pop my Divine Shield this time and run to the middle (because second paladin with AM/Dsac does what I did in the first airphase), keep my SoV stack up on BQL and once she lands, I cancel my DS and keep hitting her - the downtime for dps itself is very short.

As for downtime on Valithria...you do not heal on Valithria. Ever. Ever. *Ever.* You don't have the mana, and god forbid a frostbolt goes through the melee's interrupts and starts draining your already rather small manapool... Again: if you need to heal as a retribution paladin on a boss fight with a 20% buff to your raid's healing - then your healers are doing something wrong. Terribly wrong.

My point is: 12% more healing or 6% more mana (or whatever) isn't really worth speccing fully into, because it's not your job/role to do that. We simply both lack the cooldowns and the mana do do that effectively.

p.s
Now I do admit that a good ret paladin knows when to stop dps and chug a few HLs at the tank, but in ICC that should never happen. Tank cooldowns, healer cooldowns and even raid cooldowns should be more than enough to keep your tank up - including on hardmodes.