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Re: Who's Going to Take Down Vergo?

This
We've never seen Smoker get a decent fight, and this is a good occasion to show what he has, and to prove that he got the strenght to be what Garp was to Roger

I think Coby is the most suited to confront Luffy, he's being trained by Garp after all.

Smoker to me is one of the worst characters in One Piece. He's following a kid abroad the world just because he break his record in Loguetown. It's a childish one who despite has badass moments, he never reach what he wants, it's like a woman to Sanji, simply pitiful.

Re: Who's Going to Take Down Vergo?

It wasn't because his record was broken. Smoker has become determined to capture Luffy due to what happened in Loguetown when Buggy almost killed him. He was surprised that Luffy was willing to accept death and was laughing in a similar matter to Roger the day he was executed.

Re: Who's Going to Take Down Vergo?

Smoker will at least fight Vergo, since characters in One Piece always get their grudge matches He will probably beat Vergo, since it's important that Smoker be useful somehow, and not be just a jerk who chases Luffy all the time.

The Strawhats will have plenty of people to fight, I think they're going to sail over to Doflamingo's island and beat up his whole crew.

Re: Who's Going to Take Down Vergo?

Here the two episodes where sum of events happen that pushed Smoker to set sail and to pursue Luffy through the Grand line: Episode 52 and Episode 53 Man this takes me back.IMO one of the most cool funniest moments in One piece
Anyway i think Smoker will(should) be the one who will defeat Vergo even though i doubt he would be able to do it alone.He will probably get help from Traffy.
But the battom line is,Smoker mission remain the same regardless of the outcome betwen him and Vergo and that mision is to capture Luffy and to be the witness of his death just like he witnessed Gold D. Roger's death.And in order for him to accomplish that Smoker,yes he needs to be strong but not necessarly among the strongest.If we compare him to Garp,i dont recall any statement about him being equal to Gold D. Roger.Edward Newgate was.Besides in the end Roger turned himself in and i suppose Luffy will do the same.And if Luffy does,i bet you it will be to Smoker that he will do.

Originally Posted by Mr. Arashi

I think Coby is the most suited to confront Luffy, he's being trained by Garp after all.

Smoker to me is one of the worst characters in One Piece. He's following a kid abroad the world just because he break his record in Loguetown. It's a childish one who despite has badass moments, he never reach what he wants, it's like a woman to Sanji, simply pitiful.

If Vergo loses with him, i'm really will be dissapointed.

Ho come on!Don't be so harsh on Smoky .By pursuing Luffy Smoker is simply trying to understand something that he saw when he was a kid which is the smile of the Pirate King while he was getting executed.And it is simply something that he could not understand.How come someone who is about lose his head can have a smile on his face.A similarity that he also found in Luffy right before to get executed by buggy.He set sail to chase after Luffy so he could solve the mistery of the Dying smile . I don't think that's a bad dream at all.

But i do agree with you that Coby is the most suited to fight against Luffy since IMO he has a dream that is equivalent to Straw hat.I think also think that he would the one who will surprise us the most.

Re: Who's Going to Take Down Vergo?

I think it's going to be Smoker for a simple reason : Vergo has to be killed. This was stated by Smoker and Tashigi. That's why Tashigi has been saying that bad Vergo is an impostor to her marines. They never planned the truth to be revealed, but to bury him with Punk Hazard's events.

So there has to be a death fight between Smoker and Vergo. I don't see Smoker killing Vergo after Luffy beat him - that would ruin Smoker's honor - as I don't see Luffy letting Smoker kill the opponent he's just beaten. For Smoker to kill Vergo, it has to be a real fight.

Anyway, I hope Luffy and Vergo have an interaction - short fight - like Sanji and Vergo did.

Re: Who's Going to Take Down Vergo?

Originally Posted by Fox666

To be fair, he defeated Luffy in all their encounters, who could do nothing but run from him.

without haki, kairoseki and more importantly no knowledge of what the hell logia was in loguetown before we saw them fight on their current form we cant say what is what. but knowing smoker he would put up a good fight.dont think he can win though.

Originally Posted by Rody naruto

Here the two episodes where sum of events happen that pushed Smoker to set sail and to pursue Luffy through the Grand line: [URL="http://www.animecrazy.net/one-piece-episode-52/"]If we compare him to Garp,i dont recall any statement about him being equal to Gold D. Roger.Edward Newgate was.Besides in the end Roger turned himself in and i suppose Luffy will do the same.And if Luffy does,i bet you it will be to Smoker that he will do.

But i do agree with you that Coby is the most suited to fight against Luffy since IMO he has a dream that is equivalent to Straw hat.I think also think that he would the one who will surprise us the most.

well we can say garp and roger was somewhat equals.if without that much strength at the very least do you really think he would have managed to pursue him? besides WB himself acknoweldged garp and sengoku.roger turned himself in cause he was gonna die anyway. he was sick. if the same thing happened to luffy (which we can say it will since oda keeps slashing his life)luffy wont do the same.luffy sickness will be when chopper achieves his dream.

smoker's involvement with luffy is as u say it is.he cant understantd how some1 can accept death that easily.

about coby, i actually think he might even become a V.A. right about know(has haki and all though it is just kenboushaki). he is the first friend luffy ever made, so if anything they will fight a lot. but in the end he will end up helping luffy in the end is what i feel.

oooh, i forgeot about vergo, smoker will fight him. law cant help him since his heart is with vergo.(CC gave it back i think) sanji broke his leg though movement doesnt seem much problem, he might not give the fight 100%.so somehow smoker had to do something about him. can he win? probably not.

Re: Who's Going to Take Down Vergo?

Originally Posted by Lord Rayleigh

I think it's going to be Smoker for a simple reason : Vergo has to be killed. This was stated by Smoker and Tashigi. That's why Tashigi has been saying that bad Vergo is an impostor to her marines. They never planned the truth to be revealed, but to bury him with Punk Hazard's events.

Well, if it's for the killing option, then Smoker is none. Of all the ones named in the list being capable of killing a character are Doflamingo, and single Admirals or Vice Admirals (I'm counting in Akainu). But not Smoker, as he has both the complete wrong weapon and DF ability to kill.

Re: Who's Going to Take Down Vergo?

I believe it should be Luffy to get him down as he should show how strong he has gotten, otherwise how can he take down Doflamingo if he can't take down Vergo. Also I believe From the current ones among Luffy's crew, Law and Smoker the only ones to have a chance against Vergo are Luffy, Law and Smoker. The problem for Smoker is that he was even beaten by Law, while Vergo has Law's heart as well, so I believe it should be Luffy who takes Vergo down.

P.S. We don't know everything about Vergo. I believe the guy still has more to show as he was obviously not serious against Sanji and also I believe he might not be that bad and might get back to Marines after his and Doflamingo's defeat. I believe Doflamingo might have someone who Vergo cherishes under his custody...

Re: Who's Going to Take Down Vergo?

Originally Posted by hoeru

Well, if it's for the killing option, then Smoker is none. Of all the ones named in the list being capable of killing a character are Doflamingo, and single Admirals or Vice Admirals (I'm counting in Akainu). But not Smoker, as he has both the complete wrong weapon and DF ability to kill.

So one can't be killed if their heart is stabbed using his weapon nor killed with his smoke logia ability? Honestly? If smoke was so harmless, so many people wouldn't die in house-fires...

Re: Who's Going to Take Down Vergo?

Originally Posted by hoeru

We're talking about manga and One Piece. Smoker hasn't killed anyone yet. Him now making him start killing off other characters is ooc. Simple.

Just because it's a manga doesn't mean we can throw all logic out of the window. He has the ability to kill, there is no use arguing against that. Whether it's out of character or not is another discussion entirely. Just because he hasn't killed anyone yet doesn't mean that it's not within his character to do so, he wants to capture Luffy (someone who hasn't exactly committed any crimes, quite the opposite) so that he can be executed just because he is a pirate, I don't see why it's such a massive leap to go from that to actually killing a pirate who made a mockery of Smoker and the marines and went around slaughtering Smoker's subordinates.

Re: Who's Going to Take Down Vergo?

Originally Posted by abc1233

Just because it's a manga doesn't mean we can throw all logic out of the window. He has the ability to kill, there is no use arguing against that. Whether it's out of character or not is another discussion entirely. Just because he hasn't killed anyone yet doesn't mean that it's not within his character to do so, he wants to capture Luffy (someone who hasn't exactly committed any crimes, quite the opposite) so that he can be executed just because he is a pirate, I don't see why it's such a massive leap to go from that to actually killing a pirate who made a mockery of Smoker and the marines and went around slaughtering Smoker's subordinates.

logically speaking you r right. but one piece way, says death should only occur in the past. (marineford was somewhat exception as to give Luffy's back story) so i believe that every human is capable is killing (smoker is also human) but since this manga doesnt seem to show death unless heroic it will not happen. (WB, ace)
humiliated maybe but death is so low a chance.