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It's Psychedelic Baby is an independent, music magazine. We are covering alternative, underground, non-commercial and non-mainstream artists in variety of shapes and genres. Exclusive interviews, reviews and articles. A place where musicians can express themselves. We serve an international readership.

It's a great pleasure to have you on our magazine, Andy! How are you these days?

I am extremely well, and all things considered, that's a miracle. Having been as far down as one can go, and then to have come back with a feeling of youthful vigor, is a wonderful surprise. To be free of constant pain, have so much to keep me busy, I am privileged. Having started a Label, mctrax.com

a total surprise twist of events, we are having great success with our first signing TOBI. A 16 yr. old from London, who I would describe as a cross between John Mayer and Justin Beiber, with a bit of Hendrix / Clapton thrown in. A great singer and songwriter to boot. We will doing the Isle of Wight festival, in June with Bruce Springsteen and Tom Petty among others, after a long radio / promo tour before hand. Check out mctrax.com and http://tobiofficial.com/

You grew up in London and I would like to know what are some memories and influences, that had great impact on you back then?

I lived in London until I was 22 about, so it encompasses quite a bit. I started classical piano tuition from the age of 5 (very precocious) until about 12 then got more interested in guitar, the Beatles, and all the other great groups of the time. From about the age of 12 until 15 I was in R+B, blues kinda bands playing Motown, Stax, and blues covers, scaring my mother to death, as I would get home at 4 or 5 in the morning after gigs, and I was 12. A major influence on me was meeting Alexis Korner. I had gone to college after being expelled from school for refusing to cut my hair, and became very close with Sappho, Alexis daughter. Spent a lot of time at their home, playing his guitars, listening to his records, and getting educated in the music industry.

You were really young when you joined Bluesbreakers. How did you saw them back then?

I was 15, and very excited to be playing with such musicians, respected them as my elders. Felt especially close to Mick Taylor as he was 19 and the next youngest. Used to sneak off and share a joint, something Mayall would have fired us for, as he was a Bemax and corn flakes kinda guy, nothing like his image suggests. But I held them all in high esteem, considered them my seniors, and learnt all I could Alexis Korner helped you through your early years of carrier.

What was he like? He probably helped you to get »deeper« into the roots of blues music?

Alexis was like a substitute father. My own was an asshole. Alexis did everything humanly possible to educate me, share his experience, get us a manager, then get us w / Chris Blackwell's Island records, absolutely the best label for us, had us open for gigs with him. Can't give the guy enough credit. He was a fun guy, very intelligent, spoke about 15 languages, and thought I rolled an excellent joint. I spent so much time there w / Sappho listening to his blues records, it was the best education I could have had.

How did you join Free and what do you remember from some of the early sessions you had together?

The other 3 were looking for a bass player, tried many and were unhappy. When I left the Bluesbreakers, Alexis had talked with Mike Vernon the owner of Horizon Records a little blues label, who mentioned Koss and crew were looking for a bass player. Koss came around to my mums house, we jammed a little, and suggested we all get together at the Nags Head pub, in Battersea, which had a little blues club upstairs where we could rehearse when closed. It was instant magic. We all knew it. Alexis promised he would try and show up, but it was his birthday, and a party was being held for him, but made the last 15 minutes, and immediately got it. He Christened us FREE after his band, Free at Last. So thus we were on out way.

Tons of Sobs is an amazing debut full of heavy blues rock. What can you tell me about recording and producing this LP?

Except for Koss, who had done a few sessions for Bluesman Rambling Jack, we had never been in a studio before, so we were real green. The sterilized atmosphere minus an audience really threw us. Guy Stevens who was the producer and can be described as somewhere between a genius and a mad-hatter on speed, eventually said just play your LIVE set, which we did, and they recorded it.

You played on so many concerts. How do you remember the early ones?

At one time I could remember every single show, promoter, how much we were paid, and what we sounded like that night. Breaking up, and the ugliness that followed forced me to start blanking out memories and move on.

Would you like to share some interesting short stories that involve Paul Kossoff and you?

Kossoff was a born comedian. Because it was cold in UK, Koss would often wear a very long coat. He could go into character, for example "Ena Sharples" from the long running English series"Coronation Street' - an old woman with an attitude, and proceed to take any of us apart, by telling the truth, but in character. The funniest thing!!

I remember driving home from one gig, me and Koss in the back, PR in front passenger seat, where PR was going on and on about koss over some little issue, and koss, just casually rummages through his bag, brings out a mirror, turns on the overhead light and puts it in front of PR's face, until even he had to laugh at himself.

In 1969 you released self titled album and a year later Fire and Water. Your sound changed a bit from the first album. How do you look at that now?

Evolvement! We were grounded in Blues, rock, and wanted to keep it as an underlay to more original things. That was our first step in a forward direction. Not always successful, but generally moving in the right direction to something that was totally us. We kept reaching for the horizon until we imploded. Me personally, I always want to keep moving forward, discovering, keeping it an adventure, and not re-doing one's old party tricks until you get stuck in some past decade. Fire and water probably nailed it at our best, and opened many doors with "All Right Now".

Isle of Wight Festival 1970. How was it to be on the stage? Did you perhaps met Hendrix?

Quite the experience! To play in front of what I am told exceeded half a million people requires matching the vast energy thrust towards you and returning it in performance. We were exhausted afterwards. I am looking forward to re-doing it this year with TOBI. I never met Hendrix, a different I think, but he is still the best guitarist of all time I think. Tobi has a little Hendrix in his fluidity and sense of adventure. Among others met Tiny Tim. Man - what planet is he from?

You left the band in 1971 and you formed a trio called Toby and actually record material. What can you tell me about Toby and if I may ask what was the reason for leaving Free at that time?

FREE had become unglued. Paul and myself were going in different directions. He thought I acted like an emperor, and decided he was now gonna run things. I think it was the beginning of him wanting to do a Bad Co. type thing. Get a manager that broke legs, and be a less subtle, striped down, stadium ready version of FREE. I wanted to keep moving forward creatively, not formulate a cash machine. All the while Koss was becoming a junkie. We had basically broken up. As spokesman, it fell to me to announce it. I was viewed as the one leaving. TOBY was my first start at learning to get confidence in my voice. A long process, which I chose as opposed to forming a 'supergroup' to cash in. A feeling of starting again at the bottom.

Later you joined again and in June 1972 you left for good and formed Sharks. With them you recorded their first LP called First Water. What is your opinion on that LP?

I thought it sucked. That whole band I have to take responsibility for allowing myself to drift into a situation that I shouldn't have. I had been at home working on new songs and strengthening my voice when Marty Simon, a very good drummer by the way, got himself invited down, we jammed, and it was good. We thought let's get a guitarist, which ended up being Chris Spedding, a good guitarist BTW, and I thought we were gonna do my songs, and I would continue working on my voice. Somewhere along the line, someone decided my singing wasn't strong enough, and before i knew it Snips was the singer, who I never got along with. The whole thing started off kilter from the start, and I was suddenly being asked by the press about this new band I formed. I felt stuck in a very bad situation. Fortunately, on the way home from a gig, Spedding for no reason at all at 5 miles an hour drove the fucking Sharkmobile into a tree. I twisted up my thumb and couldn't play for a while, and suggested they get another bass player, That was my out.

In 1975 you and former Sharks keyboardist Nick Judd and drummer Kim Turner formed The Andy Fraser Band and record an album, which is a great one! What happened next to you, Andy?

Nick wasn't in Sharks. Can't remember what happened next, but while on this subject, let me mention that Kim Turner went on to co-manage The Police and Sting, had incredible success, managed me for a while during the "Fine, Fine Line" period, a very generous personality who tragically died of cancer couple years back. Nick Judd's wife now works for Tobi's parents, showed TOBI to me, and got me involved in what will be a long career for him She works in his management, and their son Aiden is now with Tobi, for most LIVE shows. He is also super talented, and although only 16 and out of school yet, will go on be consistently in the top 100 bass player of all time.

Naked and Finally Free is your latest album from 2005. Would you like to share a few words about it?

Well before it , I had almost considered myself retired, was still writing songs, I need to as therapy, with some vague thought of sometime I would release an album, then the news hit that I had died. Suddenly I felt I needed to show I was still very much alive, and pulled together some of the songs that I thought fitted together well, and voila - "Naked ... and finally Free. As you can tell, it is a very personal expression, and I sort of regard it as my 'coming out' album. Recently I have released "On assignment" - check mctrax.com, but my attention has been promoting TOBI instead, tho' I like the album.

Thank you for taking your time, Andy. Would you like to send a message to your fans and Psychedelic Baby readers?

"Psychedelic Babies" - brings Mike Myers to mind - and we all need a good laugh. Check out mctrax.com for all things Andy Fraser and TOBI. It is where you will find all the new releases. You can download or stream many songs and videos.

Tim, thank you very much for taking your time and effort for this interview with me. Where did you grow up and what were some of the influences at the time?

It is my pleasure to do this with you Kemen. I grew up in Owen Sound, Ontario Canada on the south shore of Georgian Bay, part of the Great Lakes system. A landscape comprised of rocks, trees and water and very beautiful. My musical influences were from listening to a rocket radio which clipped onto a curtain rod as an ariel and brought Southern Ontario's strongest radio signal...CKLW. I heard all the motown hits as they were brought out and a ton of what we called R&B...Wilson Pickett, Sam and Dave etc. Locally the area was settled basically Scots and so there were a number of fiddlers in the area. I also got turned onto folk music by my older brother who was into Dylan and Joan Baez. I ended up with a healthy dose of R&B and folk as my major influences...and of course that makes me a huge Van Morrison fan.

When did you first got involved with music?

I guess to be fair I first "got involved" with music when my parents sent us for piano lessons as children. You could say that music "involved" me as I was captured from the start...the sounds, the chords! I soon fell for the guitar, however, and was playing it at song circles from around age 11 or 12 and then my next eldest brother David and I had an acoustic duo which played local coffee house.

Wytchwood did not release anything. Those were very early days and the band split up after a tour of Northern Ontario. A standard tour that agents sent bands on so they could "tighten up". Instead we broke up!!

What can you tell me about period before releasing first album in 1978?

Prior to my first release several things had happened. I had gotten a taste of the big stage at age 20 when living on Prince Edward Island. I was a musician/puppeteer and some of us were asked to play a festival in Charlottetown....I wrote some songs for it and was totally hooked on writing. I then moved to Toronto where I was under contract to Chappel Music as a songwriter but that ended when the music business moved to target marketing and singer/songwriters were out on their butts. Even John Prine had to start his own record company in 1979. So I moved back home for a while in 1976 and my oldest brother John was president of the local arts council. We cooked up the idea together to do a folk festival in Owen Sound, we called it Summerfolk and it still runs today...37 years later.

Train Going East was released in 1978. Album was produced by Stan Rogers and engineered by Daniel Lanois. I would love if you could share a story about it?

I had met Stan Rogers when I booked him into the festival and had known him a couple of years when I asked him to produce "Train Goin' East." We had got on so he readily agreed. Danny Lanois ran Grant Avenue Studios in Hamilton, Ontario at the time and it was the best bet for sound so that's where we went. Danny was ultra professional and helpful and contributed lots of great ideas to the production. He was also a wizard at slicing and editing tape which was the only way to edit then...he could carve windows in 24 track tape and make it all work! There was a bit of a funny incident with Stan. I had told him that since he was producing the record for free, I would record one of his tunes on it so he could get the royalties! The tune I chose was "Turnaround" and my interpretation of it was quite different from Stan's....I had to watch him pacing the control room the whole time I recorded the vocal! But in the end I thing he liked it, at least he gave it a OK to be on the record!

What happened next? Your next albums were from mid-nighty's and your last one is from 2005.

Actually I had recorded an album in 85 for Stan's widow's label Cole Harbour, but it only got realeased on cassette tape. I had a rockin' band at the end of the 80's but my son was born in 1990 and I stayed home to look after him. In the mid nineties I began to record again and released 5 CDs from 97 to 2006. I toured to England and Scotland, but mostly did a lot of touring trough the States and Canada...drove everywhere...loved it!. I had finished up with my last festival (The Eaglewood Folk Festival) in 1999 as Artistic Director and so, like I said, I hit the road and recorded for 8 years. At the end of 2007 I had gotten ill, split up with my manager, and generally things were not so good. My health problems increased until 09 when I was able to get some help, had surgery and now things are much better.

What are you doing these days and do you have any future plans?

I started to play again last year, but as with evey musician, you have to be putting out new material. To that end I have just set up my recording gear here on Gabriola Island where I have been living the last 3 years, and I am moving forward with a new recording which I hope to complete by the fall.

I'm really happy you agreed to this interview. The Outsiders were so influential garage psych band, that I'm really proud I can have you on my magazine. First I would like to talk about your childhood and teen years. What were some of the influences you had as a young kid. You were not so into Beatles, but more into Stones and Pretty Things, right?

When I met Wally Tax at school, we were both fans of Buddy Holly and Chuck Berry. I bought also records of The Ventures and The Shadows. Later when we started to play with The Outsiders we did covers of The Kinks, Rolling Stones, Pretty Things and also some Beatles. But I prefered The Rolling Stones. You know, just the famous bands. And while playing these covers I learned a lot about the structure and chordprogress of the songs.

Were you or others in any bands before forming The Outsiders? Any releases with that perhaps?

Before forming The Outsiders with Wally Tax, I had an electric guitar but had no band. I remember it was an italian blue sparkled guitar guitar called “Welson”. Appie and Leen were in a band before The Outsiders.

When and how did you guys come together to form The Outsiders? I really like the name of the band. You were definitely outsiders back then in your country.

In the beginning Wally Tax had some friends in his neighborhood. When I met them we started to rehearse in the attic of our singer Leendert Groenhoff. It was very cold over there but we did not feel the cold because we were in the heat of playing Buddy Holly songs. I was a great experience for me to play in a band for the first time. Wally and me played guitar and there was also a bass guitar player in the band called Pietje Sanstra. There was no drummer in the band. Pietje Sanstra left the band soon because his parents thought the band had a bad influence. So we were looking for a new bass guitar player and a drummer. We placed an advert on the window of a music instrument store. There came some guys and the best were Appie Rammers and Leen Busch. We took them in the band and they were great. After some trouble with the singer Leendert Groenhoff, we decided to put him out of the band. Wally Tax became our new singer and I also sung some songs.

Do you perhaps remember some of the early sessions you had?

In the meantime we had already a reputation in Amsterdam East. We were asked to play in the nightclub “Las Vegas”. We played and were thrown out of the nightblad bacause we were playing too bad. We decided to improve our music technically and tried again to play at “Las Vegas”. It was a big success! We played there about 9 months. The owner of the nightclub did not want us to leave to play somewhere else and threatened us with a sledgehammer. After reasoning with him, that was my job, we were allowed to leave the nightclub. We had a big name at that moment in Amsterdam.

You released many 45's singles starting with You Mistreat Me / Sun's Going Down, back in 1965. In 1967 you released your first LP on Relax Records. The album was recorded at concert. What can you remember from it? What can you tell about the cover artwork?

The album “Outsiders” was one side recorded live and one side recorded in the studio. We did a special gig at Breda for the live recordings and it was great. The audience reacted the same like on our other gigs. A lot of screaming, noise, throwing beer, trouble and fun.

The photo of the front of the album was taken in the old harbor of Amsterdam. We had to climb in a crate and were craned as high as possible to be thrown into the water at the and of the photo shooting session. At the same time there was also a film session for a documentary about the Amsterdam harbor by a famous Dutch film director. The film was screened at the cinemas in the Netherlands. Unfortunately the film is lost later. The backside of the album is a collage of newspaper and magazine articles and photographs. It was done by the director of our record company Relax Willem Duys who was also a famous tv and radio personality.

In 1968 you released legendary CQ album. Here you started to grow up and start to experiment with psychedelia. I would like if you could tell me what do you remember from recording and producing this legendary LP of yours...

The LP is also known for it's cover artwork, would you like to tell me more about it?

Polydor was our new record company and we had the freedom to make a new album in 2 weeks. We did not want our manager in the studio anymore because we wanted to produce the album without a time consuming producer, just us with Erik Bakker the sound engineer. No other people were allowed in the GTB studio. Some songs were ready and some songs were just sketches to be worked out in the studio. In the beginning of the recording process we had no idea what kind of album we were going to make. After recording and rejecting some songs we had a glimps of an idea where we were heading. There was no concept or subject but somehow the songs became connected to each other. We did not use alcohol or drugs, we all were clean and concentrating on the sound because the sound became a very important part of the album. We had all an equal part in songwriting that was also new for us. On the records before Wally wrote the lyrics and I wrote the music. But now Frank Beek and me wrote the music and chord progression, Leen Busch wrote the drum and percussion parts and Wally wrote the lyrics. We listened to the ideas of each other and worked it out immediately. Erik Bakker the sound engineer did a lot of sound effects on the record table. When we had finished recording the album we celebrated outside the studio on the street with a bottle of cognac.

Anton van der Gulik was a friend of Wally Tax and Leen Busch, he was an artist and came from the Amsterdam art scene. They asked him to make the artwork for CQ. Wim Davids made the photographs of our heads and IBM computer tape-units on the background. I thought it was a stupid idea that you could not find the name of The Outsiders on the cover artwork, but the band decided that it was no big deal and not important.

How about some concert/touring experience. Would you like to share some interesting stories that happened to you?

We were on the road every day. We rehearsed 3 times a week in the morning from about 08.00 till 11.00 o’clock. In the afternoon interviews, photo shoots, studio, openings, radio, TV etc. In late afternoon evening travel by our Volkswagen (later Ford Transit) bus to the gigs and playing there till the night and back home if there were no bad jokes. In the beginning there was a lot of talking and joking in the bus but later it went more serious. I hated traveling and thought it was a waste of time. Every gig was an adventure, often something went wrong. Fighting in the audience between drunken people was bad. Most of the time it was great with and it was fun.

Well, what is an interesting story?

We were on TV on a national popular show with our hit “Monkey On Your Back” and there was also a fishermen choir from the place Urk in the studio. They made all kind of remarks about our long hair and asked if we were girls and if we wanted money for a haircut. A day later Wally Tax did an interview for a magazine and newspaper and told the journalists that the choir was scum. A couple of days later we had of course to play at Urk and the whole village came out to take revenge and indeed we had a lot of trouble. But they did not scare us off we just started playing like nothing happened. Hey, we come from Amsterdam East! Sometimes we had to take a microphone standard to keep them from our backs.

One day we had to play on a market sqaure at Gorinchem with thousands of people. The mayer was a notorious right wing man called “Ridder van Rappart”. He did not like young people with long hair and we were not allowed to play in his city. But we had a contract with the organisation and had to play. It went wrong of course. While we were playing the power went down a couple of times and the people thought we did it on purpose and started shouting and some guys wanted to climb the stage to give us some punches. We had to run to the city-hall and barricaded the door. Unfortunately our roady was still outside and was beaten down by the stampeding mass and he had a crack in his skull. We took him inside and waited for an ambulance and went home much later. After a week our roady was recovered and was driving the bus again.

I can tell you a lot more, maybe later. It was not only just violence but there was also a lot of fun.

Did you play at any festivals?

We played at a lot of festivals. By example, Den Bosch in 1966 with The Rolling Stones. Paris, Olympia with Little Richard and The Moody Blues. Amsterdam, Paradiso with Pink Floyd and a lot more festivals.

What happened next? Why did you disbanded?

1969 was a bad and dark year for me. I had some mental trouble. CQ was not well received by our fans, they wanted only to hear the hits. So what do do next? I felt burned out and wanted a fresh start with my family. When I waited one day for the traffic light till the light went green, I decided to quit and told the boys in the band. I left and the band fell apart. In an interview Wally told that without the motor the band could not exist.

Wally formed Tax Free band and I would love if you could share some information about it...

Wally asked me to try playing with Tax Free but I did not like the music. I tried one time to rehearse with Tax Free. It was too soft and it gave me a miserable feeling. I saw Jody Purpora sitting on the floor playing his guitar singing about misery and broken love. It was too much. My ego was too small and I left and did not touch my guitar for about 20 years.

In 1997 you had a reunion. How do you remember that?

It was Appie’s 50th birthday and Leen wanted me to come. So we went to Appie’s farmhouse in Friesland. That day had a very nice atmosphere and everybody was happy. Leen and Appie wanted me to play some Outsiders songs. I told them I did not play anymore. They kept asking me to play and after a couple of beers after midnight I decided okay let’s do it. I played the songs without any problems and Appie and Leen were crying and all the people had a good time. Leen had a plan for a reunion tour and we started to rehearse with the 3 of us. We had to ask Wally to sing with us again and he refused. He wanted a bank guarantee of 300.000 guilders. I told him that was not realistic because there was no money at all, we had to earn it with playing. He decide to join us for 4 months. Mojo bookings were booking the tour and after a some rehearsal we were on the road again and it was a success. There was of course trouble again. Appie was put out of the band by Wally. After 4 months we stopped just in time because Wally started drinking again and using dope. We had a great time.

What were you doing after The Outsiders and what are you doing these days?

After The Outsiders I did a psycho technical test for computer operator and went working for the newspaper “Het Vrije Volk”. I was in the IT business from that time. After the reunion tour I started the band Ron & the Splinters. We made a CD and it was well received, we played a couple of years. I also played with The Outsiders with a new singer and we did some festivals and the usual gigs. I started another band called “The Dam”. I wrote songs together with the singer and the CD called “Beautiful Trash” was also well received by the music magazines. I quit the band in 2006, “The Dam” does not exist anymore. In march I played in Italy with an Italian band called “The Rookies”. Of course songs of The Outsiders and it was a great success. In November this year I am going back to Italy for a tour with them. Next month I play with the “Cynics” a couple of Outsiders songs in Utrecht Netherlands.

I would like to thank you for your time and effort. Would you like to add something else?

It was nice to do this interview. I realise it is a privilege to be a small part of the history of music and that makes me a happy man. Thank you.

Hi Dave, its great pleasure talking to you regarding your music. Where did you grow up and what can you tell me about first music involvements?

I was born into a musical family in Birmingham, England. My Father was a singer and Mother a pianist. I have two Brothers both of whom are musicians. Music was always an important part of life at home. We had a piano on which first Brother Pete studied to Grade 7 or 8, then Brother Denny to maybe Grade 3. My lessons never started because we had by now discovered guitars!

We started playing at home with Denny on Piano, Pete on Guitar (he had bought one from a friend at school for £2) and me actually playing 'drums' on Dad's old Banjo (skin), with knitting needles for sticks and 2 brass ornaments for cymbals. I actually wanted to be the drummer at that early time.

Well, our Father bought us guitars in the end so even though I continued with some drumming periodically (even with lessons when I was 15 years old) I became the “official” Rhythm Guitarist in our band – which was called The Deadbeats.

Dude in Germany is me from early 1967 in Germany with the Madding Crowd

Some of the early bands you played with are Applejacks and Ace Kefford Stand. With Ace Kefford Stand you released a single on Atlantic titled For Your Love / Gravy Booby Jam. It sounds really fresh and the guitar has a very »big« sound…

Thank you. That guitar was a Les Paul Junior – single pick-up guitar (bought in Turkey from a kid on an American Airbase for $30 by the way).

I played with a number of local bands before Ace Kefford Stand and the way we got together with Ace was that Cozy, Denny and me had been jamming around a 3 piece line-up at home – playing Cream, Hendrix style songs.

We did a live radio show on the BBC in which we called ourselves Ideal Milk (which was a nod to a poor man's Cream since Ideal Milk was the brand name of a condensed Milk product in England).

Cozy Dave is from around 1966 or 67 when Cozy first arrived to live with us.

Because we thought we had the makings of a great band, and knowing that Ace was no longer with the Move, we simply went to visit him and suggested we should team up. He agreed and so we became Ace Kefford Stand (that was another bad pun – from Move to Stand).

Ace Kefford Stand publicity picture (taken in Hamburg)

Interestingly, we were the first UK band to release a single (For Your Love) on the Atlantic Label in the UK. Prior to us, all Atlantic records went out on their subsidiary label Polydor. The SECOND band to sign direct to Atlantic was Led Zeppelin!

The two major differences between us and Zep were Management and Material. (I won't get into a debate about how good they were here (compared to us), but I saw their very first gig as the New Yardbirds at the Marquee Club in London, and it took them a while to get their signature sound.

As I said, their management through Peter Grant (with Jimmy Page directing) was first class, whereas ours was crap (with Ace directing). Also, we had no decent material. None of us at the time were writing and this made a huge difference because we were playing covers basically – albeit with a Heavy sound. We had very little studio experience and – well, I cannot even remember who produced that first single – but I do know it could have been so much better. The opportunity really got wasted. Ace was a terrific Front Man – as was Robert (Plant): We had Cozy – albeit in his early days of heavy drumming but we know how that turned out: and Den and I who had all that potential.

Such a shame we weren't properly managed.

Out of Ace Kefford Stand Big Bertha formed with Pete French on vocals, Denny Ball on bass and Cozy Powell on drums. There was also Pete Ball on keyboards and Dave McTavish on vocals, but I don't know exactly, so please tell us what the story behind Big Bertha is?

Ace wasn't coping too well with being thrust back into the music business so the band broke up. We had a contractual obligation to produce another single on Atlantic Records (This Worlds an Apple). Although this was effectively after the band had already split up, it was better produced and much more commercial than our first effort. The B-Side (Gravy Booby Jam) was reused on the basis that nobody would have noticed the first time it came round.

Big Bertha posing for family picture in 1969 ish. Left to right, Our Mum, Dave McTavish in his underwear, Me, Denny at the back, Barbara Etherington (friend), Cozy and Brother Pete.

Cozy Denny and I had already begun to form Big Bertha which is why that single went out as Big Bertha featuring Ace Kefford. Probably a bit of a collector’s item now.

We decided to fatten the sound out for Big Bertha by adding Brother Pete (Ball) on Hammond. I think we envisaged a heavy sound, but slightly more towards Vanilla Fudge than say, Cream or Zep. We brought in Pete French on vocals to begin with, but even though Pete had (still has) all the high end Rock screaming (a-la Plant), it wasn't quite fitting in the idea for Fudge style harmonies so we traded him in for Dave McTavish – formerly of Tintern Abbey. Dave couldn't handle the top-end rock screaming but he COULD write songs which was something we desperately needed. So this became the official Big Bertha.

You did some serious touring, but officially never released anything except a single Munich City / Funky Woman on United Artists and a show recorded in Hamburg back in 1970, but that was shelved, why is that so? Was the sound not good enough?

We managed to find ourselves a lousy manager – and a disinterested record company (we clearly weren't very good on the business side of things) and made a single called Munich City with Funky Woman (misspelt on the record cover as Sunny Woman) on the B-Side. This went out on the Liberty / UA label. We got an advance that bought us a set a few stacks of WEM amplifiers; Cozy got a double Ludwig Kit (in Red) and the Manager bought himself a new lounge suite.

We didn't do a hell of a lot of live gigs to be honest. The manager was more interested in putting us on to back his Son on club gigs. The UA A&R man was totally useless and with no real prospects we broke up. Pete had found himself another gig with a show band and wanted out, Cozy was head-hunted by Jeff Beck so it just died a death.

The only good thing to come out of it – after Cozy had official left and the band had split, was a quick tour in Germany as a 3 piece. The single had started being played a lot in Germany and UA actually agreed to help get us out there for a couple of weeks of gigs. Really there were only the three of us left to do it (Cozy, Denny and myself) so we threw together a set – actually quickly wrote some songs, and stole some standards from e.g. Cream's set, and headed off to Hamburg. On one of the dates a couple of guys turned up with an old reel-to reel Revox tape recorder and two mikes which they set up facing the stage and recorded a gig.

Sometime later Denny cleaned up the tape (we had a copy of it) and put together the Big Bertha Live in Hamburg CD. Now – the sound is terrible; the playing – whilst high-voltage and (I think) very exciting is random; the vocals – well Denny and I did our best under the circumstances – was under rehearsed, BUT it was and is a truly exciting show – warts and all. Basically what loud live rock & roll always used to be.

Procol Harum was you next move. How did that happen? You were replacing Robin Trower. We can hear you on the best-selling Procol Harum album »Live with the Edmonton Symphony Orchestra« and you also start recording “Grand Hotel”, but then you left. Please share background story of this events…

I had been playing in one or two bands around London when I saw an advertisement for a Lead Guitarist to join Procol Harum. This was for Robin's replacement yes. I answered the ad, and even though they had already scheduled 80 guitarists to audition, managed to get myself put on to the bottom of the list. Lucky-Last!

When Number 81 arrived at the Rolling Stones Rehearsal Rooms in London Bridge for the audition, it was quite clear that the band were exhausted from listening to 80 guitar players – probably all trying to sound like Robin, etc. Well, I plugged in and we played through a few warm-up RnB things; played a couple of their tunes, and it was just fizzling out. They were clearly fed up with the whole process, so I said 'Anybody fancy a beer?' at which point they all started smiling and agreeing that this was a fine idea, so we went down the road to the local pub. Drank steadily for a while swapping jokes and generally getting on really well, then I just said – thanks, see you later ... and walked (or staggered) off to the Tube to go home. I really didn't expect anything to come of it, but first thing the next morning I had a call from their office saying you're in!

So it was all about the beer. Here was a true 'Procol' Man.

The next 18 months or so were non-stop. We toured – mostly in North America, but also Europe, Japan and just a few UK dates – and recorded the Live album in Edmonton, Canada, AND were playing the material for Grand Hotel prior to going into the studio, so it was absolutely full-on. The Edmonton album became their biggest success ever (apart from the Whiter Shade of Pale single obviously – and what a BUZZ that was to play on stage with Gary singing!)

Shot from the album sleeve of Grand Hotel (before I left the band and Mick Grabham's head was glued onto the picture

Now I am often asked about why I would leave just when we were in the middle of recording a new album and the band were riding high … well, I had had a bit of a falling out with BJ Wilson the drummer. Without going through all the gory details, I believe that BJ wanted me out, and he had seniority (and let’s be honest, I was always going to be much easier to replace than him) so I was asked to fall on my sword.

I phoned Long John Baldry and said – ‘You want a new guitar player?’ and bless him – he said YES please. We only did a couple of gigs and recorded the Good to be Alive album, but it was fun – and he was such an awesome talent. They don’t make blokes like that anymore I reckon!

Leaving Procol Harum you formed legendary Bedlam with Cozy and Dennis. What can you tell me about formation of Bedlam?

Bedlam USA is from the 1974 tour with Black Sabbath

Well, it happened that Cozy's run with Jeff (Beck) had come to an end. He was looking at joining Spirit (US Band) but then suggested should we put 'The Band' back together. I agreed the timing was right and so we grabbed Denny – who was with Long John Baldry at the time – and worked out a cunning plan. We knew Frank Aiello from some session work we had done together – he sang on a couple of Denny's projects – and basically said OK – this is the band and we will call ourselves 'The Beast'. Slight digression here but The Beast was the name of Dave Pegg's old A38 Van. (Dave has been in Fairport Convention, Jethro Tull, etc. And has been a friend since the Birmingham days). So we got management sorted with Jeff Becks manager (another arsehole it turned out later) – bought up a load of Jeff’s old touring gear and got down to rehearsing.

At this point – and having already started generating Posters and an Album Sleeve as The Beast, some smart-arse manager guy in the States claimed to 'own' the name The Beast on behalf of his client (a keyboard player apparently) and could we either a) Give them $50,000 for the rights to the name OR b) Give his sad-case-organ-dude a gig in the band. We told him to fuck-off and changed the name to Bedlam. (Not many people know that).

So, we wrote original material (one or two adapted from the Big Bertha stuff) rehearsed a show, got a Tour Manager, Roadies, a Van, a group car and started gigging. We signed with Chrysalis Records (whom I had known from Procol of course) and that’s it. Up and running.

In 1973 you released your legendary LP. What are some of the strongest memories from producing and releasing it?

Strongest Memories? The sheer NOISE in the studio (we did NOT understand restraint in those days); the laughs – we enjoyed this band and were always messing around having fun; the Freedom to play what we wanted – how we wanted with nobody to tell us to be 'commercial' – we were designed to be an Albums band basically, oh, and Felix (Pappalardi) falling asleep at the desk whilst we tried to mix the first album in New York.

We recorded most of the album at Olympic Studios in Barnes, London, then mixed and did additional (guitar) overdubs at the Record Plant in New York. Felix (and Gail his Wife) came over and we went through the material. Gail added some words here and there (not just to get on the writing credits of course) and they came up with one of their own tunes to do. A nice tune actually, and probably a good contrast to all our thrashing around.

I think we were pretty quick in terms of playing time, though it took ages to get Cozy's monster drum kit miked and under control. The Engineer was good value. Bob DeOrleans was his name, and he had worked often with Felix on Mountain stuff.

So having got the basic 16 tracks recorded in London, Cozy Felix and I went in to the Record Plant to do the mixing. I did a couple of solo overdubs – most notably on Gail’s tune Looking Through Loves Eyes. I remember this so well because I had been struggling to get it just right when Felix put out a line of some brown 'stuff' for me to snort, and I remember walking out of the control room (feeling VERY relaxed and glowing – some of you know what this was) – I threw up in a waste bin outside the main room, went in – picked up the guitar and nailed it in one. Then we sat around being useless for a while before calling it a night!

Unfortunately, Felix was spending more and more time being 'relaxed and 'glowing' and Bob (bless him) tried his best to get the mix right. Cozy & I went home without hearing the masters and when the album finally got pressed we were very disappointed with it. They had chopped out whole solos, the pressing wasn't really HEAVY ... nothing we could do though. Out it went.

It wasn't that we didn't like the album – I still think it was a good first shot – just not quite what it could have been. Now – as a footnote to this, Denny managed to recover the original 16 track tapes – everything was there including the edits which Bob had taped onto a separate reel, so Den simply put things back together (after baking the tape!) and he now has the whole thing loaded onto digital. There are better individual parts he has isolated, and so far – this is a work in progress – the mix is just what we wanted in the first place. There is also a complete track that wasn't originally issued. This will get completed sometime this year ready for release.

What gear did you guys use?

As I said earlier, we had purloined a bunch of Jeff's old touring gear. The back-line for Denny and me was all Sun-Coliseum gear. I had 4 x 4/12 Cabinets all with JBL-Lansing Metal Cone Speakers, powered by a 750 Watt main stage and 750 watt booster stage amps.

Did I mention that we were LOUD?

Denny had the Bass version of this.

Cozy used a bright red double Ludwig Kit. His monitors were a hoot! 2 x Bass (PA) Bins with horns pointing straight at him from either side of the kit.

PA was a 2000 Watt thing – couldn't tell you the make.

I used Gibson Les Pauls generally. A 2 pick-up Black Beauty (circa. 1964) and a really special Wine Red 3 pick-up Black Beauty (yes – I know ...) which was a one-off built around 1960. Wish I still had that one for sure!

Yes – now ask me about my Tinnitus! WHAT? DID YOU SAY SOMETHING?

What can you tell me about the cover artwork?

Well – lots – actually – everything. I had been working on the theme for The Beast – album cover, ads, etc. and had the idea of the Arm. When we changed to Bedlam we simply changed the plasticine letters and re-shot the pictures – but the design stayed the same.

Bedlam Album sleeve design phases

(Just so you can see I am not making this up I have attached my original drawings as I worked this all out).

I had a good friend called Rowland Scherman who was also a well-known photographer (see the Grammy Award winning photo on the 1968 Dylan Album “Greatest Hits” THAT Rowland Scherman!) He was working out of London and I asked him to do a shoot for us. We talked through the concept and he suggested somebody he knew that made sculptured props for films - and - whose speciality was severed limbs for Horror Films. She (sadly cannot remember her name) was commissioned to do this and did an awesome job. It was life-size and brilliantly constructed – bones and veins popping out of the shattered elbow! Broken fingernails – the lot!

Early one morning armed (sorry!) just with the arm and some blue plasticine Rowland and I headed out into the London streets to find a suitable location. Turns out some demolition work provided the perfect spot. We made the letters up for The Beast (first time round); sprayed some blood; started a fire around the base and presto - one Album cover. We had to do it all again when we changed the name of course but the result was pretty much the same. We also had a lot of fun by putting the arm in the gutter and photographing horrified passers-by … hehe – evil Rock & Roll Dudes!

Where did you tour and do you have any particular memories you would like to share from it? Also you recorded Long John Baldry’s 1973 album "Good to be Alive” around this time.

The Album with John Baldry was a bit of pay-back for leaving so suddenly. It was fun to do – Denny was playing Bass also on this – and (apparently) it was John’s favourite record. Sam Mitchell who is playing Slide Guitar on it was particularly good!

Back to Bedlam - we started touring in the UK. University gigs and clubs. It happened that after the album had been released that Cozy did his Drum Single called Dance With The Devil; well when that took off into the charts we started getting a lot more bookings – and for more money – but in the end it is what killed the band off. I’ll explain how that came about in a minute.

We started touring extensively in Europe – Germany, Nederland, and France mainly. The band was going really well and we thought we would finally make it after all these years. Then we got booked onto a USA tour supporting Black Sabbath on about 30 shows. This was where we really started to find our place, and we were received REALLY well. We were SO powerful that the Sabbath manager started pulling back our stage time as we were becoming too hard to follow! Touring with Ozzy and the Boys was a lot of fun. We had known each other since their beginnings in Birmingham and it was a good mix of lunatic personalities. I can’t tell you all of the stories from on the road for fear of arrest!

When the tour finished, we did a TV show in LA called The Midnight Special (which was quite a coup for us) and headed home.

What happened to Bedlam?

That’s when it all went wrong. Our manager greeted us with the news that a) Chrysalis Records didn’t want to pick up their option for the second album b) There were NO gigs booked (and – apparently nobody wanted us) and c) we were broke (no money). We – well, 3 out of 4 of us – were totally gob-smacked. How could this be?

Well, the manager (I did mention that he was an arsehole didn’t I?) said – well there is Mickey Most – he wants to meet with you to discuss an idea ….

Now Mickey Most was a well-known “Hit Maker” of those days. Bit like Simon Cowell today with his X-Factor cronies. We turned up at the RAK Record offices to see Mickey, and he was all upbeat and enthusiastic – the conversation opener being something like “We’ll follow up Dance with the Devil with another single – call it Cozy Powell & Bedlam – we’ll get Top of the Pops … “and so on.

We were being totally sold-out. I blew my top – abused everybody in earshot – said that Bedlam was – IS an Album Band; a Heavy Band – not some pop band on kiddie TV shows, etc. I walked out. Denny followed me too. Cozy and Frank stayed.

That was it. Just like that – all that work – everything – gone.

Just to show how this had all been manoeuvred by our manager and Mickey, I had a call from Felix’s old Record Company offices in New York. The guy who ran it – Gary Kurfurst – said he had heard that Bedlam had broken up and would I come out to the States and put something together with his company. I said sure – send me a ticket and I’ll come.

I was sitting in Gary’s office in Manhattan being treated like really nicely – sort of Rock Royalty if you like – when he asked me what I would like to do – form a band, join somebody, go Solo - whatever I wanted they would support me. I said, well, all I ever wanted really was to get Bedlam going and that’s all.

Now – here’s the kicker – he replied with “Well, that’s all I wanted too! I asked your manager if I could take over managing you guys in the States, and I was going to put you on a Rod Stewart Tour in 5 weeks’ time across the whole of the Continental USA, playing to 20,000 seater stadiums”. I was flabbergasted! What?

You WANT us? Yes he said and went on to say he had repeatedly asked our manager (the arsehole you remember) about getting us. Well, I said can I get Cozy on the phone – right now – I rang him and excitedly told him the news - - all ok – move to the States – Tour – Album Deal with Windfall Records – everything we had worked for.

You know what the reply was? “I’ve already signed with Mickey.”

So the whole thing had been a set-up between Cozy (who had clearly decided he wanted to be a Pop Star on TV playing crappy singles like his follow up Na Na Na (No No No!) and the arsehole-manager and Mickey looking to make some fast money.

Well, I thought “Stuff This” and I hung up my guitars and became a soldier in the British Regular Army.

On 4th MAY 2012 you launched not only your solo album “Don’t Forget Your Alligator” but also your autobiography “Half Hippie-Half Man. You are still very active these days. What can you tell me about your solo album?

Well, I left the mainstream music business back in 1974 and spent the next few decades in a variety of unusual professions and lived in a few different countries. On the way I had three kids and generally have had a good and exciting life. When I left Music, I was not at all well. I had indulged in all the excesses that the industry had to offer, and by my own reckoning might not have lasted much longer.

Making that change really saved my life. I got fit and healthy (the Army did that for me) and met all kinds of nice people along the way. I didn’t even pick up a guitar for a few years, but when I did it was as exciting for me as the first time, so I would play to amuse myself, and occasionally play with a band here and there. I always liked to play Blues, so I could go and jam without having to get on the music business treadmill (and have to deal with the arseholes again – and trust me – they may be a younger crew now but they are STILL out there!

Now I have always been a compulsive writer and artist (drawing) and have accumulated diaries and drawings and paintings from the 60’s to the present day. I found – in about 2000, that I could write song lyrics quite well, then that I could find a tune to go with them, so slowly I started getting these songs written and basically recorded.

By 2010 I had around a hundred songs written and demoed just to tape with me playing guitar or piano and singing the melody.

I was working in IT (Computers) at this point and on my 60th year, I decided to quit the day-job and try to get my stuff – not just the records, but the art and the writing I had accumulated – out into the world. That was the mission I set for myself, and 2 years later I was ready to put this out into the public domain. I moved back to the Midlands of England where it had all started and formed a company called Worldslump Limited to house all of my ‘stuff’

The Solo album (Don’t Forget Your Alligator) and the Bedlam album (Bedlam in Command 1973) were both released on Angel Air Records in April (UK and Europe) and June (USA and the rest of the World), and the book is out now but only available on Kindle, although I have nearly finished preparing it for general EPublishing standards - so iBooks, Blio, etc. will be coming soon.

I have the playlists already prepared for another 6 albums by the way! I hope they will be commercially successful of course, but the main motivation for me is to actually DO them. It is part of my Bucket List if you like.

I am also selling T-Shirts with my pictures on and Prints of my drawings. The website is having a refit at the moment. The domain is www.worldslump.com but the shop won’t be there until the new site arrives.

How was it to write autobiography? Was it hard to remember everything?

The book sort of evolved from a few short articles for a magazine in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia where I was working for a while. Having delivered a few pages to the editor, he suggested that I write a book – in the same anecdotal style as the articles. Well, I thought that might be fun and so started scribbling in notebooks and it just took off from there. It was fun dredging through my memory for stories from childhood through to the present day. It is a very cathartic process also (if you have underlying “issues” or “angst” left over from childhood). You can say what you want to whomever you please; justify actions that you took but never had the time to explain back when they happened, and generally empty all the baggage from the hidden or long forgotten corners of your memory.

The book is funny (I think) not because I tried to write a humorous book – just that that is how I am and, my life has generally been very funny and eventful.

Oh – and I am asked – particularly by people who knew me when I was at my worst in the early 70’s HOW I can actually remember ANYTHING about those days! Well, I cannot explain it exactly, but I find I do have a prodigious memory, and even though I may take licence in the stories I tell – ok – to make them funnier – I haven’t actually made any of it up! Now – THAT’S funny!

Thanks for taking your time! Would you like to send a message to It's Psychedelic Baby readers?

Well Klemen, first let me thank you for giving me the opportunity to rant on for nearly 5000 words (probably FAR too long for your magazine!) and I hope I haven’t bored too many people.

I suppose at 62 years old, I am in that age bracket where you can impart fatherly and wise advice to those younger than you, but to be honest I never listened to the old-guys when they tried to tell me what to do, so I don’t expect your readers will be too bothered by my words either – and you know – that’s just fine and right and proper.

The world and human beings would never innovate if they took all the good advice they were offered. It is important to be yourself, follow your wild and crazy ideas – whether it is in the arts, (music, painting, writing, whatever), or even in business, medicine, trades or scrubbing floors in some rich dudes house – it really doesn’t matter.

If you are not someone who has these kinds of crazy notions then that is also fine, because it is just as important for those crazies to have somebody that will listen to them; maybe take the idea and actually make it work! Remember, the crazy ideas person is not usually the “finisher”. It takes a different sort of person to make it happen.

So that’s it – just live your life – have FUN – don’t expect any big bonus at the end – live for NOW … and – this is important HAVE NO FEAR. Don’t let the politicians, religious people, marketing and media people make you scared – of anything!

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Dedicated to British psychedelic folk. New issue of printed version projected from the well-known, leading psych on-line site It’s Psychedelic Baby. After the previous issue covering exclusively the US psychedelic folk scene (IPB 002, 2016), this new issue covers the 1960s and 1970s British folk scene, with exclusive interviews of members from acts such as Fresh Maggots, Comus, Mellow Candle, Dr Strangely Strange, Spirogyra, C.O.B., Incredible String Band, Fairport Convention, Pererin, Courtyard Music Group, Magic Carpet, Sunforest, Oberon, etc. Also includes a few pages of record reviews. Cover by Justin Jackley.