After hearing that guy wine about what Christians ask him, specifically about morality, I had a thought. Bear with me.

Why aren't more atheists/non-believers murders, thieves, and down right immoral people?

The reason the winy Atheist video got me thinking about this is because the guy thinks the question "Do you have morals?" Is ridiculous. But why? What's the point of morals for someone who believes they are an accident?

The bible refers to our life on earth as a puff of air. LIke on a cold morning when you exhale and you see your breath. In the grand scheme of things, that's our lives. That breath has little effect on anything. What would be the point of 'being good'?

Our base morality is all founded in some form of religion or another. I'm not saying just the ten commandments, there are plenty of other influences. Either way though, those morals are derived from the fear or respect to a deity. Which non-believers and atheists have no care for. Why do they then still behave? Does it come off as lunacy to anybody else?

As a non-believer, I have a very good sense of right and wrong. I did have a Christian upbringing, so there's no doubt that influenced that. I see nothing wrong with the teachings of Christianity, just the misguided bullshit around it. Except the turn the other cheek thing....just can't get behind that.

I believe in being a good person. I like to help others because it makes me feel good, and not because it's supposed to buy me an afterlife.

I think most of us were raised with a basic sense of right and wrong. It may have been based on religion, but not necessarily. Every society, whether they believe in a supreme being or not, has rules of conduct. It's a part of what makes up civilized.

For those that missed learning right from wrong while growing up we have laws and a criminal justice system.

Are you saying that the only thing keeping you from being a horrible person is fear of god, and not your regard for your fellow man?

I think most of us were raised with a basic sense of right and wrong. It may have been based on religion, but not necessarily. Every society, whether they believe in a supreme being or not, has rules of conduct. It's a part of what makes up civilized.

For those that missed learning right from wrong while growing up we have laws and a criminal justice system.

Are you saying that the only thing keeping you from being a horrible person is fear of god, and not your regard for your fellow man?

It's all hypothetical, or course, but yes. Like I said, I understand we have morals because they allow us to be civilized and all that comes with it. However, My question is what's the point?

If I'm an accident, you're an accident, everybody is an accident, why should we care? My life has very little impact on the future, at the most maybe 500 years of 'oh yeah, he was a great guy'. So why not just live it up while I can and die when I die?

Even more, aren't the horrible people remembered better then the 'good' people? I may be able to impact people for 7 or 800 years if I'm a horrible, twisted, sick person.

I hope you realize I'm just trying to make a point. Even if morals may have come from non-religious beginnings, they were used to control the masses by the leaders of the society. Which is no different then what 'religion does'.

This is kind of fun acting like the crazy person.....I may have to do this more often.

Perhaps, but shouldn't you want to help others simply because you want to do good, and not because it's supposed to buy you a ticket to "heaven"?

1) enjoying life is a goal, but not a purpose.
2) for clarity; Christians do not believe that their work on earth buys them a ticket to heaven. Some other religions do believe that personal acts = salvation; but Christians believe that only the sacrifice made by God (the Father and the Son) can wash away sin.

1) enjoying life is a goal, but not a purpose.
2) for clarity; Christians do not believe that their work on earth buys them a ticket to heaven. Some other religions do believe that personal acts = salvation; but Christians believe that only the sacrifice made by God (the Father and the Son) can wash away sin.

Ok, so my question back to you is why is a purpose needed? Why does their need to be an explanation, even though it could be wrong?

I think people need to have an explanation to make them feel better, regardless if it's right or not.

Everything has a purpose. Name one thing you don't think has a purpose.

Brewmenn.

All things we use have a purpose, as do parts of nature. That purpose can easily be questioned as being insignificant.

What do you think our purpose is? If the purpose of concrete is to build stuff, is that really it's purpose or is there supposed to be something deeper? If you agree that concrete does have that specific purpose, why isn't enjoying life ours?