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Mill rescue vetoed due to lack of cash

Calls for Bournemouth council to try again to secure the future of the historic Throop Mill have been rejected.

More than 40 years since the mill stopped working, Independent councillor Ron Whittaker is once again pleading with the council to contact owners Heygates and find out what their plans are for the Grade 2 listed building.

Northamptonshire-based owners Heygates have never tried to sell the mill and Cllr Whittaker said residents wanted to know whether they ever intended to do so.

“I hoped the family would see the massive advantage in testing the market. Sadly nothing has ever happened and this building continues to attract much criticism from residents and visitors to the area as to why nothing is happening,” he said.

Ken Mantock, chair of Bournemouth Civic Society, said: “It remains a real concern that a lack of vision of the great potential of Throop Mill as a publicly accessible heritage asset persists, despite the campaigning by Cllr Ron.”

He said hundreds of people visited the mill when it was opened by volunteers in the 1990s.

Last year, teenager Kieran Selby, left, started a petition calling for the council to buy Throop Mill and collected almost 2,400 signatures.

He said he had been talking to Heygates, the Heritage Lottery Fund and potential investors to try and purchase the mill.

“I believe I am now past the halfway point and the thousands of people that support the Take Back Throop Mill Campaign will be celebrating soon,” he said.

But council leader John Beesley said the council was not in a financial position to buy and operate the mill, even if Heygates were minded to sell, and said Heygates were doing “a significantly better job of preserving an empty listed building than most”.

Comments

kalebmoledirt
8:44pm Tue 8 Jul 14

retry69 wrote…

kalebmoledirt wrote…

Knock.it down there's obviously only a few that are interested in the building it as little architectural value and even less aesthetic value .give an artist impression of the view , demolition would give the locals .sure there are better things to spend council money on No need of criticism of my grammar or spelling I went to Oakmead

[quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]kalebmoledirt[/bold] wrote:
Knock.it down there's obviously only a few that are interested in the building it as little architectural value and even less aesthetic value .give an artist impression of the view , demolition would give the locals .sure there are better things to spend council money on No need of criticism of my grammar or spelling I went to Oakmead[/p][/quote]What years ?[/p][/quote]1958-1962 - George Levit Jappy Williams .Ghengis Khan head boy ,went on to conquer Asia .I fink ,Dirty Duncan waiting outside with ice cream bloke shouting "issa lolla popper" keep the girl names a secret but must say thanks brilliant timekalebmoledirt

retry69 wrote…

kalebmoledirt wrote…

Knock.it down there's obviously only a few that are interested in the building it as little architectural value and even less aesthetic value .give an artist impression of the view , demolition would give the locals .sure there are better things to spend council money on No need of criticism of my grammar or spelling I went to Oakmead

Bournemouth council say they can't afford to buy it,what about the £17.million pounds they have in reserve.

Bournemouth council say they can't afford to buy it,what about the £17.million pounds they have in reserve.60plus

Bournemouth council say they can't afford to buy it,what about the £17.million pounds they have in reserve.

Score: 10

Anneaa
1:54pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Surely buildings of note and listed at that, are more important than the monstrosities that the Council support time after time eg the Imax, the old Bus Station site and that proposed for outside the Pavilion!! But of course the Mill would not be a building offering "commissions"!

Surely buildings of note and listed at that, are more important than the monstrosities that the Council support time after time eg the Imax, the old Bus Station site and that proposed for outside the Pavilion!! But of course the Mill would not be a building offering "commissions"!Anneaa

Surely buildings of note and listed at that, are more important than the monstrosities that the Council support time after time eg the Imax, the old Bus Station site and that proposed for outside the Pavilion!! But of course the Mill would not be a building offering "commissions"!

Score: 5

speedy231278
2:31pm Tue 8 Jul 14

I expect the Bournemouth Development Company will soon be offering to build another Lemon Building on the site at the taxpayer's expense and their own profit.....

I expect the Bournemouth Development Company will soon be offering to build another Lemon Building on the site at the taxpayer's expense and their own profit.....speedy231278

I expect the Bournemouth Development Company will soon be offering to build another Lemon Building on the site at the taxpayer's expense and their own profit.....

Score: 1

Marty Caine UKIP
3:05pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Maybe the council could loan the money to someone to turn it into a nice restaurant, I hear they are doing business loans with all the taxpayers money they have managed to accumulate.

Maybe the council could loan the money to someone to turn it into a nice restaurant, I hear they are doing business loans with all the taxpayers money they have managed to accumulate.Marty Caine UKIP

Maybe the council could loan the money to someone to turn it into a nice restaurant, I hear they are doing business loans with all the taxpayers money they have managed to accumulate.

Score: 1

Positano
5:11pm Tue 8 Jul 14

I think a Restaurant Coffee Shop would be fab even a Hotel as they do in other areas with properties like this But at the end of the day this property is owned by individuals who are quite happy to leave it as it is and it simply is nobody else's business what goes on This Mill is not an exceptional Building there are many Mills all over Dorset some turned over to Tourism some Commercial Enterprises
What is needed in this area is Houses for Local People to Live In

I think a Restaurant Coffee Shop would be fab even a Hotel as they do in other areas with properties like this But at the end of the day this property is owned by individuals who are quite happy to leave it as it is and it simply is nobody else's business what goes on This Mill is not an exceptional Building there are many Mills all over Dorset some turned over to Tourism some Commercial Enterprises
What is needed in this area is Houses for Local People to Live InPositano

I think a Restaurant Coffee Shop would be fab even a Hotel as they do in other areas with properties like this But at the end of the day this property is owned by individuals who are quite happy to leave it as it is and it simply is nobody else's business what goes on This Mill is not an exceptional Building there are many Mills all over Dorset some turned over to Tourism some Commercial Enterprises
What is needed in this area is Houses for Local People to Live In

Score: -5

Kieran S
6:05pm Tue 8 Jul 14

I am still working very hard, I'm not sure if cllr Beasley is out of his mind though. "But council leader John Beesley said the council was not in a financial position to buy and operate the mill, even if Heygates were minded to sell, and said Heygates were doing “a significantly better job of preserving an empty listed building than most”." That is the biggest load of rubbish I have ever heard and it shows how little he cares about anything that isnt in Bournemouth Town Centre.

The Take Back Throop Mill campaign severed ties with the council a few months ago and things have been moving on slowly, but things have been moving. I dont have a time frame at the moment, but I am confident Throop Mill will be exchanging hands soon.

I haven't given up.

I am still working very hard, I'm not sure if cllr Beasley is out of his mind though. "But council leader John Beesley said the council was not in a financial position to buy and operate the mill, even if Heygates were minded to sell, and said Heygates were doing “a significantly better job of preserving an empty listed building than most”." That is the biggest load of rubbish I have ever heard and it shows how little he cares about anything that isnt in Bournemouth Town Centre.
The Take Back Throop Mill campaign severed ties with the council a few months ago and things have been moving on slowly, but things have been moving. I dont have a time frame at the moment, but I am confident Throop Mill will be exchanging hands soon.
I haven't given up.Kieran S

I am still working very hard, I'm not sure if cllr Beasley is out of his mind though. "But council leader John Beesley said the council was not in a financial position to buy and operate the mill, even if Heygates were minded to sell, and said Heygates were doing “a significantly better job of preserving an empty listed building than most”." That is the biggest load of rubbish I have ever heard and it shows how little he cares about anything that isnt in Bournemouth Town Centre.

The Take Back Throop Mill campaign severed ties with the council a few months ago and things have been moving on slowly, but things have been moving. I dont have a time frame at the moment, but I am confident Throop Mill will be exchanging hands soon.

I haven't given up.

Score: 4

Kieran S
6:09pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Also, the mill is not being cared for by the council as it should be. Cllr Beasley has not ordered the External Survey he promised me, he flat out refused to have an internal survey completed.

The council have Sec 215 powers to force the owners to comply with the Grade 2 Listing requirements, but they choose not to. I believe the council themselves are breaking the law by choosing to ignore their options.

I dont think the council would be the best owners and I would rather they focused on enforcement rather then purchase.

Also, the mill is not being cared for by the council as it should be. Cllr Beasley has not ordered the External Survey he promised me, he flat out refused to have an internal survey completed.
The council have Sec 215 powers to force the owners to comply with the Grade 2 Listing requirements, but they choose not to. I believe the council themselves are breaking the law by choosing to ignore their options.
I dont think the council would be the best owners and I would rather they focused on enforcement rather then purchase.Kieran S

Also, the mill is not being cared for by the council as it should be. Cllr Beasley has not ordered the External Survey he promised me, he flat out refused to have an internal survey completed.

The council have Sec 215 powers to force the owners to comply with the Grade 2 Listing requirements, but they choose not to. I believe the council themselves are breaking the law by choosing to ignore their options.

I dont think the council would be the best owners and I would rather they focused on enforcement rather then purchase.

Score: 5

kalebmoledirt
7:55pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Knock.it down there's obviously only a few that are interested in the building it as little architectural value and even less aesthetic value .give an artist impression of the view , demolition would give the locals .sure there are better things to spend council money on No need of criticism of my grammar or spelling I went to Oakmead

Knock.it down there's obviously only a few that are interested in the building it as little architectural value and even less aesthetic value .give an artist impression of the view , demolition would give the locals .sure there are better things to spend council money on No need of criticism of my grammar or spelling I went to Oakmeadkalebmoledirt

Knock.it down there's obviously only a few that are interested in the building it as little architectural value and even less aesthetic value .give an artist impression of the view , demolition would give the locals .sure there are better things to spend council money on No need of criticism of my grammar or spelling I went to Oakmead

Score: -3

Minty Fresh
8:12pm Tue 8 Jul 14

So the Council can waste vast amounts of our money on rubbish schemes like the Imax and the surf reef, but it can't do anything to secure a local treasure and transform it into something special for the local community and visitors to enjoy alike?

Typical.

So the Council can waste vast amounts of our money on rubbish schemes like the Imax and the surf reef, but it can't do anything to secure a local treasure and transform it into something special for the local community and visitors to enjoy alike?
Typical.Minty Fresh

So the Council can waste vast amounts of our money on rubbish schemes like the Imax and the surf reef, but it can't do anything to secure a local treasure and transform it into something special for the local community and visitors to enjoy alike?

Typical.

Score: 1

Minty Fresh
8:17pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Kieran S wrote…

Also, the mill is not being cared for by the council as it should be. Cllr Beasley has not ordered the External Survey he promised me, he flat out refused to have an internal survey completed.

The council have Sec 215 powers to force the owners to comply with the Grade 2 Listing requirements, but they choose not to. I believe the council themselves are breaking the law by choosing to ignore their options.

I dont think the council would be the best owners and I would rather they focused on enforcement rather then purchase.

Keep up the good work Kieron. Throop Mill has been part of my life for nearly 50 years and more than anything I would love to see it properly restored and enjoyed by all.

The Council and the owners, Heygates, should be ashamed of themselves for allowing this local landmark to fall into disrepair.

[quote][p][bold]Kieran S[/bold] wrote:
Also, the mill is not being cared for by the council as it should be. Cllr Beasley has not ordered the External Survey he promised me, he flat out refused to have an internal survey completed.
The council have Sec 215 powers to force the owners to comply with the Grade 2 Listing requirements, but they choose not to. I believe the council themselves are breaking the law by choosing to ignore their options.
I dont think the council would be the best owners and I would rather they focused on enforcement rather then purchase.[/p][/quote]Keep up the good work Kieron. Throop Mill has been part of my life for nearly 50 years and more than anything I would love to see it properly restored and enjoyed by all.
The Council and the owners, Heygates, should be ashamed of themselves for allowing this local landmark to fall into disrepair.Minty Fresh

Kieran S wrote…

Also, the mill is not being cared for by the council as it should be. Cllr Beasley has not ordered the External Survey he promised me, he flat out refused to have an internal survey completed.

The council have Sec 215 powers to force the owners to comply with the Grade 2 Listing requirements, but they choose not to. I believe the council themselves are breaking the law by choosing to ignore their options.

I dont think the council would be the best owners and I would rather they focused on enforcement rather then purchase.

Keep up the good work Kieron. Throop Mill has been part of my life for nearly 50 years and more than anything I would love to see it properly restored and enjoyed by all.

The Council and the owners, Heygates, should be ashamed of themselves for allowing this local landmark to fall into disrepair.

Score: 1

retry69
8:27pm Tue 8 Jul 14

kalebmoledirt wrote…

Knock.it down there's obviously only a few that are interested in the building it as little architectural value and even less aesthetic value .give an artist impression of the view , demolition would give the locals .sure there are better things to spend council money on No need of criticism of my grammar or spelling I went to Oakmead

What years ?

[quote][p][bold]kalebmoledirt[/bold] wrote:
Knock.it down there's obviously only a few that are interested in the building it as little architectural value and even less aesthetic value .give an artist impression of the view , demolition would give the locals .sure there are better things to spend council money on No need of criticism of my grammar or spelling I went to Oakmead[/p][/quote]What years ?retry69

kalebmoledirt wrote…

Knock.it down there's obviously only a few that are interested in the building it as little architectural value and even less aesthetic value .give an artist impression of the view , demolition would give the locals .sure there are better things to spend council money on No need of criticism of my grammar or spelling I went to Oakmead

What years ?

Score: 1

retry69
9:09pm Tue 8 Jul 14

kalebmoledirt wrote…

retry69 wrote…

kalebmoledirt wrote…

Knock.it down there's obviously only a few that are interested in the building it as little architectural value and even less aesthetic value .give an artist impression of the view , demolition would give the locals .sure there are better things to spend council money on No need of criticism of my grammar or spelling I went to Oakmead

You were gone 2/3 years before I arrived Levit and jap were still there of course and I assume dirty Duncan was the same dirty Duncan with the Morris minor? Happy Days :)

[quote][p][bold]kalebmoledirt[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]kalebmoledirt[/bold] wrote:
Knock.it down there's obviously only a few that are interested in the building it as little architectural value and even less aesthetic value .give an artist impression of the view , demolition would give the locals .sure there are better things to spend council money on No need of criticism of my grammar or spelling I went to Oakmead[/p][/quote]What years ?[/p][/quote]1958-1962 - George Levit Jappy Williams .Ghengis Khan head boy ,went on to conquer Asia .I fink ,Dirty Duncan waiting outside with ice cream bloke shouting "issa lolla popper" keep the girl names a secret but must say thanks brilliant time[/p][/quote]You were gone 2/3 years before I arrived Levit and jap were still there of course and I assume dirty Duncan was the same dirty Duncan with the Morris minor? Happy Days :)retry69

kalebmoledirt wrote…

retry69 wrote…

kalebmoledirt wrote…

Knock.it down there's obviously only a few that are interested in the building it as little architectural value and even less aesthetic value .give an artist impression of the view , demolition would give the locals .sure there are better things to spend council money on No need of criticism of my grammar or spelling I went to Oakmead

You were gone 2/3 years before I arrived Levit and jap were still there of course and I assume dirty Duncan was the same dirty Duncan with the Morris minor? Happy Days :)

Score: 2

rozmister
11:07pm Tue 8 Jul 14

60plus wrote…

Bournemouth council say they can't afford to buy it,what about the £17.million pounds they have in reserve.

Personally I'd like to see that money spent on the most vulnerable in our community. I hope Throop Mill gets restored by a private investor but I think that the majority of council money should be spent on core services and the vulnerable not restoring old buildings that are privately owned by people who have a legal responsibility to keep them in good repair.

[quote][p][bold]60plus[/bold] wrote:
Bournemouth council say they can't afford to buy it,what about the £17.million pounds they have in reserve.[/p][/quote]Personally I'd like to see that money spent on the most vulnerable in our community. I hope Throop Mill gets restored by a private investor but I think that the majority of council money should be spent on core services and the vulnerable not restoring old buildings that are privately owned by people who have a legal responsibility to keep them in good repair.rozmister

60plus wrote…

Bournemouth council say they can't afford to buy it,what about the £17.million pounds they have in reserve.

Personally I'd like to see that money spent on the most vulnerable in our community. I hope Throop Mill gets restored by a private investor but I think that the majority of council money should be spent on core services and the vulnerable not restoring old buildings that are privately owned by people who have a legal responsibility to keep them in good repair.

Score: 2

rozmister
11:07pm Tue 8 Jul 14

60plus wrote…

Bournemouth council say they can't afford to buy it,what about the £17.million pounds they have in reserve.

Personally I'd like to see that money spent on the most vulnerable in our community. I hope Throop Mill gets restored by a private investor but I think that the majority of council money should be spent on core services and the vulnerable not restoring old buildings that are privately owned by people who have a legal responsibility to keep them in good repair.

[quote][p][bold]60plus[/bold] wrote:
Bournemouth council say they can't afford to buy it,what about the £17.million pounds they have in reserve.[/p][/quote]Personally I'd like to see that money spent on the most vulnerable in our community. I hope Throop Mill gets restored by a private investor but I think that the majority of council money should be spent on core services and the vulnerable not restoring old buildings that are privately owned by people who have a legal responsibility to keep them in good repair.rozmister

60plus wrote…

Bournemouth council say they can't afford to buy it,what about the £17.million pounds they have in reserve.

Personally I'd like to see that money spent on the most vulnerable in our community. I hope Throop Mill gets restored by a private investor but I think that the majority of council money should be spent on core services and the vulnerable not restoring old buildings that are privately owned by people who have a legal responsibility to keep them in good repair.

Score: 4

kalebmoledirt
6:59am Wed 9 Jul 14

retry69 wrote…

kalebmoledirt wrote…

retry69 wrote…

kalebmoledirt wrote…

Knock.it down there's obviously only a few that are interested in the building it as little architectural value and even less aesthetic value .give an artist impression of the view , demolition would give the locals .sure there are better things to spend council money on No need of criticism of my grammar or spelling I went to Oakmead

You were gone 2/3 years before I arrived Levit and jap were still there of course and I assume dirty Duncan was the same dirty Duncan with the Morris minor? Happy Days :)

I have a demolition company now looking at some old building in throop the council want me to knock down.

[quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]kalebmoledirt[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]kalebmoledirt[/bold] wrote:
Knock.it down there's obviously only a few that are interested in the building it as little architectural value and even less aesthetic value .give an artist impression of the view , demolition would give the locals .sure there are better things to spend council money on No need of criticism of my grammar or spelling I went to Oakmead[/p][/quote]What years ?[/p][/quote]1958-1962 - George Levit Jappy Williams .Ghengis Khan head boy ,went on to conquer Asia .I fink ,Dirty Duncan waiting outside with ice cream bloke shouting "issa lolla popper" keep the girl names a secret but must say thanks brilliant time[/p][/quote]You were gone 2/3 years before I arrived Levit and jap were still there of course and I assume dirty Duncan was the same dirty Duncan with the Morris minor? Happy Days :)[/p][/quote]I have a demolition company now looking at some old building in throop the council want me to knock down.kalebmoledirt

retry69 wrote…

kalebmoledirt wrote…

retry69 wrote…

kalebmoledirt wrote…

Knock.it down there's obviously only a few that are interested in the building it as little architectural value and even less aesthetic value .give an artist impression of the view , demolition would give the locals .sure there are better things to spend council money on No need of criticism of my grammar or spelling I went to Oakmead

You were gone 2/3 years before I arrived Levit and jap were still there of course and I assume dirty Duncan was the same dirty Duncan with the Morris minor? Happy Days :)

I have a demolition company now looking at some old building in throop the council want me to knock down.

Score: 1

TheDistrict
10:31am Wed 9 Jul 14

Keep up the good work Cllr Whittaker and Keiran Selby. The Throop Mill is part of our local heritage, and needs to be preserved as such, but at the same time, making good use of the internal sections, such as described above, where the public and visitors can enjoy a working mill. This has been done in other parts of the country, one claiming its own television programme during its renovation.

Cllr Beesley is breaking the law in not ensuring the maintenance of the outside of a listed building, yet can afford to pay his Councillors £750k last year, fork out £12m for the Boscombe renovation, including the failed, mega failed, £3.6m Surf Reef. £8m to purchase a building for destruction, which was rightly for owned by Bournemouth. Yet he will not help in anyway in saving the Throop Mill. Why not start with a compulsory purchase order to save a delapidated building from further decay. Why not offer some sort of price towards the purchase, something to make those who do care about Throop Mill that Bournemouth Council and Cllr Beesley do care.

Saving Throop Mill has my support.

Keep up the good work Cllr Whittaker and Keiran Selby. The Throop Mill is part of our local heritage, and needs to be preserved as such, but at the same time, making good use of the internal sections, such as described above, where the public and visitors can enjoy a working mill. This has been done in other parts of the country, one claiming its own television programme during its renovation.
Cllr Beesley is breaking the law in not ensuring the maintenance of the outside of a listed building, yet can afford to pay his Councillors £750k last year, fork out £12m for the Boscombe renovation, including the failed, mega failed, £3.6m Surf Reef. £8m to purchase a building for destruction, which was rightly for owned by Bournemouth. Yet he will not help in anyway in saving the Throop Mill. Why not start with a compulsory purchase order to save a delapidated building from further decay. Why not offer some sort of price towards the purchase, something to make those who do care about Throop Mill that Bournemouth Council and Cllr Beesley do care.
Saving Throop Mill has my support.TheDistrict

Keep up the good work Cllr Whittaker and Keiran Selby. The Throop Mill is part of our local heritage, and needs to be preserved as such, but at the same time, making good use of the internal sections, such as described above, where the public and visitors can enjoy a working mill. This has been done in other parts of the country, one claiming its own television programme during its renovation.

Cllr Beesley is breaking the law in not ensuring the maintenance of the outside of a listed building, yet can afford to pay his Councillors £750k last year, fork out £12m for the Boscombe renovation, including the failed, mega failed, £3.6m Surf Reef. £8m to purchase a building for destruction, which was rightly for owned by Bournemouth. Yet he will not help in anyway in saving the Throop Mill. Why not start with a compulsory purchase order to save a delapidated building from further decay. Why not offer some sort of price towards the purchase, something to make those who do care about Throop Mill that Bournemouth Council and Cllr Beesley do care.

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