phenn:The driver did it. Clear as farking day day on the Zapruder film. The uncropped one they released a couple of years ago, that is.

Funny how not a single one of the dozens of eyewitnesses, Abraham Zapruder himself not excepted, ever reported seeing William Greer with a gun in his hand at any time while the President's limousine was on Elm Street.

tirob:phenn: The driver did it. Clear as farking day day on the Zapruder film. The uncropped one they released a couple of years ago, that is.

Funny how not a single one of the dozens of eyewitnesses, Abraham Zapruder himself not excepted, ever reported seeing William Greer with a gun in his hand at any time while the President's limousine was on Elm Street.

Mayhaps. I just know what that footage looked like to me. Obviously, you're welcome to form your own opinion.

phenn:tirob: phenn: The driver did it. Clear as farking day day on the Zapruder film. The uncropped one they released a couple of years ago, that is.

Funny how not a single one of the dozens of eyewitnesses, Abraham Zapruder himself not excepted, ever reported seeing William Greer with a gun in his hand at any time while the President's limousine was on Elm Street.

Mayhaps. I just know what that footage looked like to me. Obviously, you're welcome to form your own opinion.

As are you, of course, although your opinion flies in the face of every piece of evidence that I have ever seen.

Lee Harvey Oswald also tried to assassinate Gen. Walker in April 1963, but no one knew about that until after he [Oswald] died. He used the same rifle that killed the President in November, he took surveillance photos of the General's house, left instructions for his wife on what to do if he didn't come back home....he committed himself to being a political assassin. Gen. Walker was a segregationist and virulent anti-communist, both of which clashed with Oswald's own ideology.

I understand that in order to invest the President's death with more meaning, we feel compelled to lump more names in with Oswald's, to make it seem as though Kennedy died for something greater than one screwball's egotistic ambitions, but it just didn't happen that way. He did this on his own. He was tired of being ignored, tired of being forgotten, and tired of being ordinary. He wanted to be famous, he wanted to be somebody. He got his wish.

Coco LaFemme:I understand that in order to invest the President's death with more meaning, we feel compelled to lump more names in with Oswald's, to make it seem as though Kennedy died for something greater than one screwball's egotistic ambitions, but it just didn't happen that way. He did this on his own. He was tired of being ignored, tired of being forgotten, and tired of being ordinary. He wanted to be famous, he wanted to be somebody. He got his wish.

Whether Oswald knew it or not--and I suspect that he *did* know it--Oscar Collazo and Griselio Torresola, who tried and failed to kill Harry Truman in 1950 (an event that occurred when Oswald was eleven years old) *are* "somebodies" in their native Puerto Rico, at least among the local nationalists; they're heroes. I have for some time harbored a suspicion that it was Collazo and Torresola's deed that inspired Oswald to try to kill JFK.

Within the 1st paragraph of the article it states "One year before the 50th anniversary of John F. Kennedy's assassination..." Perhaps the subby and the person who green lit this need to bother to even read the article. Just sayin'

tirob:As are you, of course, although your opinion flies in the face of every piece of evidence that I have ever seen.

I'm just telling you that what I saw on that film has me pretty much convinced the driver got off a shot. Search it on YouTube and you'll find one that goes on for quite a number of minutes. They slow it down, stabilize it, show it again, etc. You'd have to really work it to convince me otherwise, after my having seen that.

Also, the Garrison Files is a worthwhile watch - if you are interested. It is a documentary that features lengthy interviews with none other than James Garrison. He produces a goodly amount of evidence as well. I believe it was one of the tipping points for Oliver Stone in pursuing the film JFK.

There is abundant evidence that Kennedy's fatal wound was received from the front and that multiple shots were fired that day (bullet holes in the car, etc).

It's hard to establish much more of a case with the brain missing. Odd, that. A slain president's brain just goes missing.

In any event, the truth is that no one will ever know the entire truth. All we really have left are theories - you and me both. Mine is that Kennedy's CIA did him on the behest of the bankers. Recall his Executive Order a few weeks previous that - effectively - abolished the Federal Reserve's authority and privileges. Recall, as well, that Kennedy wanted American soldiers out of Vietnam. LBJ and his wife both had financial interests in General Dynamics - kind of like the Cheneys' relationship with Halliburton. Most improper.

Anywho, here's some links, should you have the time and inclination to check into them.

Zapruder film stabilized - LinkSorry, but I could not find the original I mentioned, but this one includes some of that footage. Yes, there are people on YouTube who claim to debunk this theory. Proceed with your own judgment.