lpgrl, CB wasn't the difference. The defense was totally disorganized and overmatched. Boston is playing with the reckless abandon and swagger of a champ.

Most of our young pups are all yap, but little bite. Amir has been a washout. Stuckey has a really low bball IQ for a PG. Compound that with the Pistons forcing AI to play differently (and he was, they keep taking the darn ball out of his hands!) and making Tay the playmaker.

Tay is a great playmaker in a fast game, because he brings halfcourt balance.

Against Boston, Tay just kills clock and stalls the offense. The guy with the ball MUST be able to get his own shot. That was neither Stuckey nor Tay.

Chauncey led memorable collapses against Boston last year. How quickly you seem to forget that they beat us handily twice in the season, and we beat them on luck free throws once.

And except beating them soundly in Game 1 of the ECF, they gave us a sound beating 4 of the remaining 5 games. Remember, Chauncey couldn't stop Rondo either.

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You know I completely forgot about that. I kept wondering to myself why the hell was Tay playing pg as a rule. I could see one or two trips down the floor or during a trap, but doing that as a rule is a horrible idea.

watched at the bar, and early in the game i turned to my friend and said "we're gonna lose by 20 tonight". just didn't have it. the pistons are going to have to figure out boston at some point, get back the mental edge, whatever. they've got plenty of time to work on it.

but i agree, ai needs to play more off the ball because rondo is actually quite a pesky defender.

A baboon fresh out of the jungle could be a better father to my kid (soon to kids) than me. My wife is babbling on and on about something relating to her pregnancy and I'm sitting there like John Rambo having flashbacks to this beating the Pistons took last night.

Can anyone remember the last time Tay took a charge? How can you be regarded as a top defensive player when you are both significantly weaker and slower than the man you are guarding?

Are we trying to go with more of a "set-up" offense since AI got here? Seems like we are trying to run more sets rather then beat people up and down the floor. We subbed out KB for Amir which makes us slower. Tay is running the point which makes us slower. Stuck is walking the ball up the floor instead of racing it up.

Are we trying to get AI acclimated to our sets first and then slowly increase the speed or are we going backwards.

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I think you are right. We have not (at least as of yet) adjusted our offense to fit AI's game. We seem to be undecided about whether to make AI adjust to our preexisting offensive philosophy, or to adust our philosophy to match his strengths. The result at times is the worst of all possible worlds. If we are committed to an up tempo game, then that will dictate that faster players be on the floor, and will also dictate a different kind of playmaking and execution. Curry has no experience with that kind of up tempo game, either as a player under Rick C. or as as an assistant last year.

We looked bad because we don't really have a system in place at either end. New coach, key player and playing the youth whose game swings up and down. The Celtics play within their system like we used to do. We will not beat them until we have some continuity in how we are going to play.

Other observations: we may have to conclude at some point that our youth is not as good as we think they are. I was big on Stuckey but he has been figured out by the league. He cannot rely on a jumper to open things up. None of our youth are great shooters. Maxiel's shot is an adventure, etc. It is hard to say for sure because everyone looks bad when a system breaks down.

Dyss will not be enough to change the situation entirely. We will win a lot of games but we cannot get over the top without developing offensive and defensive continuity. And, we have to figure out fast if the youth will be able to help us.

Rip is lost because he is not getting the ball where he has in the past. Tay was disappointing today. I can excuse a Le Bron game, but he did not handle the ball well. Against Boston, he probably should be shooting spot up threes on passes from AI as Boston packs in the lane.

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Wow, this says it ALL!!!!! Nothing more needs to be - or should be said.

Wow, this says it ALL!!!!! Nothing more needs to be - or should be said.

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I agree also Kgreg and I feel that after 12 games altogether with this new coach, new system and new star player we are doing just fine. I cannot reiterate enough that things could be alot worse and that we could be easily 5-7 as oppose to 8-4. We have had to go out West, play Boston twice, and Cleveland on the front end of a back to back. The main thing that I'm concerned with this is team and it has been said is our identity. Are we going to be a quick hitting team on offense that runs loose sets or are we going to be a "grind it out" team? Are we gonna impose our will on the other team with suffocating D or are we going stop teams just enough to allow us to outscore the other team consistently?

We are still a work in progress and playing Boston twice in this young season makes us look a lot worse than what we actually are. There have been signs of brilliance and looks of being dazed and confused on both ends of the floor. What we have to remember is that this right now is like preseason for us especially with the acquisiton of AI. We will be fine no need to panic yet.

I don't think Curry sucks. I just think he needs to figure out how to inspire these guys not to get pushed around. Roscoe has been right from day one...these guys can't take a punch. It doesn't even seem to bother them. I would at least expect these guys to get angry...get a tech...get tossed out, but for the love of God, fight back!

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It's far too early to tell if Curry sucks. But I'm going to judge him anyways. He doesn't seem to make many adjustments. Rasheed plays even less down low now than last season. He's inarticulate. He's Scott Skiles.

It's far too early to tell if Curry sucks. But I'm going to judge him anyways. He doesn't seem to make many adjustments. Rasheed plays even less down low now than last season. He's inarticulate. He's Scott Skiles.

I agree also Kgreg and I feel that after 12 games altogether with this new coach, new system and new star player we are doing just fine. I cannot reiterate enough that things could be alot worse and that we could be easily 5-7 as oppose to 8-4. We have had to go out West, play Boston twice, and Cleveland on the front end of a back to back. The main thing that I'm concerned with this is team and it has been said is our identity. Are we going to be a quick hitting team on offense that runs loose sets or are we going to be a "grind it out" team? Are we gonna impose our will on the other team with suffocating D or are we going stop teams just enough to allow us to outscore the other team consistently?

We are still a work in progress and playing Boston twice in this young season makes us look a lot worse than what we actually are. There have been signs of brilliance and looks of being dazed and confused on both ends of the floor. What we have to remember is that this right now is like preseason for us especially with the acquisiton of AI. We will be fine no need to panic yet.

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i agree with this as well. and, moreover, i don't necessarily mind if we are flying under the radar and teams think we're more of a wreck than we are. i think there are important question marks out there that will need to be addressed. but i think it's too early for them to be addressed, and too early to assume that they won't be. and i definitely think there's no cause for certainty that, come playoff time, we can't beat boston (or anyone else for that matter).

i just keep thinking of "body memory". tay, sheed, and, especially rip, have how many hundreds of games in which their bodies have gotten used to doing certain things over and over again. now they have to get used to doing other things (the same probably goes for AI). that takes time (though I don't think it takes hundreds of games).

Like I have said in other threads, even after Dice comes back at least one or two of these three players (Rip, Max and Amir), need to be traded for some toughbeef...or course I have to stop here because at the moment I have no clue whom that should be, but even though it is early and they have .666 winning pct, something is amiss here. So far we are making Doc Rivers one of the greatest coaches of all time (the Lakers helped too) and setting up Rondo for the all-star game.

The scoring is up, but the defense has dropped from # 1 to #13 and Curry seems to have no clue how to get his players to play it on a consistent basis. They shut down the Lakers, but tonight there was no baseline cutoffs and they got caught leaving to many men wide open for three point ops.

Two other issues have popped up since the Laker win, Tay has gone soft again and Stuckey has lost his cohesiveness. Neither has been consistent since Leaving LA. :(