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iheartscotch:Does this sound like a frame job to anybody else? It wouldn't be the first time the CIA shot down a passenger jet.

From the comments:

"Oh and take note of this: it might not be the first Malaysian airplane that the Russians have brought down... The other time was when ALL THE WORLD was looking at what happened in Crimea and all of a sudden mysteriously an entire airplane disappeared from the face of the earth... so nobody had time to look at Crimea anymore. "

stuffy:Will these idiots ever learn that accepting blame for farking up is way less damaging than the cover up.

It's a matter of scale. Ding the car, drink too much and puke on the bathroom floor, forget to add some figures into the TPS report; those are things you should accept blame for and move on. Most people view you as upstanding and reliable when you do. When you've graduated to "Oops, I just killed a few hundred civilians (including 3 infants)" it's time to spin-spin-spin. Outside of a major 3rd party military intervention they really can't make it much worse for themselves.

dywed88:Wow, people really should have headline writers at least read the first sentance of the article.

There is a difference between "Russia" and "pro-Russian separatists".

And "we cannot rule out Russian assistance" is not the same as saying "we believe Russia shot the plane down".

True, but separatists are like children, they're not really responsible for what they do. It's like if you gave your five year old nephew a katana, and then he stabbed someone. We all know he did the stabbing, but it's still your fault. The Russians probably didn't shoot down the plane themselves, but they made it possible.

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I've been loving the quickly growing crop of conspiracy theories that Ukraine did this. The two main ones:

1) Standard conspiracy fan response that the EXIF data on the phone call says the recording was made before the plane was shot down, so it was a fabricated ahead of time so Ukraine could shoot down the plane and blame the rebels.

2) The pro-rebel faction is quickly getting behind the idea that it could have been Putin's plane targeted and as such are going into "this was an assassination attempt and act of war by Ukraine; Russia must invade in response."

iheartscotch:Well, we all know if I had any actual proof; hold on, there's someone at the door....

/ I'm not saying that it was the CIA; I'm just saying that I am reserving judgment for a later date

Yes. You're very "concerned." Because it's so likely that the CIA got a giant Buk launching truck into a war zone right in Russia's backyard, pretended to be rebels, shot down an airliner, faked rebel phone transmissions, and then GTFO without anyone noticing. Certainly, we must reserve judgment until we are absolutely sure that ridiculous scenario didn't play out.

It's a taped confession. You can't do much better than that. They still need to be absolutely clear that it wasn't faked, OF COURSE, but to claim that it's "no proof whatsoever" when you combine it with the other facts -- the plane was shot down over rebel territory, we have photographic evidence and a public admission from the rebels that they had Buk launchters, eye-witnesses in the area saw the missile launch, etc., etc., etc. -- to say that it's "absolutely no proof whatsoever" is retarded.

shower_in_my_socks:iheartscotch: Well, we all know if I had any actual proof; hold on, there's someone at the door....

/ I'm not saying that it was the CIA; I'm just saying that I am reserving judgment for a later date

Yes. You're very "concerned." Because it's so likely that the CIA got a giant Buk launching truck into a war zone right in Russia's backyard, pretended to be rebels, shot down an airliner, faked rebel phone transmissions, and then GTFO without anyone noticing. Certainly, we must reserve judgment until we are absolutely sure that ridiculous scenario didn't play out.

iheartscotch:shower_in_my_socks: iheartscotch: Does this sound like a frame job to anybody else? It wouldn't be the first time the CIA shot down a passenger jet.

If the recorded conversations between rebels talking about the fact that they just shot the plane down are real, then no.

Random sound clips of guys speaking in foreign languages, or were they talking in English, or were there subs?

/ that's a big If you've got there

Here is the audio in question, with subtitles. I admit taking a grain of salt as to the accuracy of the recording considering what clear and damning evidence it is, but the "Ukraine and her Western allies orchestrated the framing of the innocent rebels and then shot the plane down" thing is laughable.

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This is very informative. Thank you for posting.

Don't you get it? This website and all of the "data" within WERE PLANTED BY THE CIA! Because America wants and needs another costly war

Don't you get it? The separatists are working for the CIA. The CIA wants the Ukraine to rejoin the Russians, so that the Great Leap Forward can come to the US, and when it does, Russia will be embiggened by their brethren in arms across the ocean, and then they can retake all of Europe, which is 95% Socialisms anyway. The Commies never lost power, they were just biding their time, and all this was a plot to lull True Americans into a false sense of security, and that gave them the time to infiltrate the CIA and the American government.