"Doing more exercise with less intensity,"
Arthur Jones believes, "has all but
destroyed the actual great value
of weight training. Something
must be done . . . and quickly."
The New Bodybuilding for
Old-School Results supplies
MUCH of that "something."

This is one of 93 photos of Andy McCutcheon that are used in The New High-Intensity Training to illustrate the recommended exercises.

==Scott==
In the first place Joshua is not about powerlifting but about Bodybuilding. He is extremely strong though for one who hasn't really trained as a power lifter . Secondly to suggest that he needs to win a powerlifting competition to prove the worth of REN-EX is ridiculous.

Josh wrote:
I don't believe any amount of "other" training(other than RenEx), or practice, or even intent to just make weights move up and down could have made me strong enough [to do a partial deadlift with 1.2x bodyweight].

I disagree Josh, 300 lbs isn't a lot of weight to aspire to for a deadlift, particularly with a partial ROM. I think you're selling yourself short with the claim that a high rep set of partial dl's with 1.2x bodyweight would have been unsurmountable without Ren-Ex; I think John Christy or CW could have had you deadlifting 600 lbs or more and easily hitting 405x20 with a full range of motion by now.

I see many problems here Marc; they will expect a full ROM movement in the meet which will reduce the load. There will be no leveraged advantage equipment allowed, which will reduce the load. The athlete will be expected to perform within the alactic window, and Josh trains outside the glycolytic widow; great for endurance and mitochondria but not optimal for powerlifting.

Scott wrote:
==Scott==
In the first place Joshua is not about powerlifting but about Bodybuilding. He is extremely strong though for one who hasn't really trained as a power lifter . Secondly to suggest that he needs to win a powerlifting competition to prove the worth of REN-EX is ridiculous.

Scott,
OK; could you suggest a better way to test the belief that Ren-Ex builds the better dl?

Dr. Ken's 23 reps at 405 lbs at a bodyweight of 170 and age 53 proves the superiority of barbell training. That is much more impressive and telling than your 300 lbs for 42 reps at age 40 and bodyweight of 240.

Josh please stop using yourself as an example of RenEx superiority, it is not proof.

Tomislav wrote:
Josh wrote:
I don't believe any amount of "other" training(other than RenEx), or practice, or even intent to just make weights move up and down could have made me strong enough [to do a partial deadlift with 1.2x bodyweight].

I disagree Josh, 300 lbs isn't a lot of weight to aspire to for a deadlift, particularly with a partial ROM. I think you're selling yourself short with the claim that a high rep set of partial dl's with 1.2x bodyweight would have been unsurmountable without Ren-Ex; I think John Christy or CW could have had you deadlifting 600 lbs or more and easily hitting 405x20 with a full range of motion by now.

I see many problems here Marc; they will expect a full ROM movement in the meet which will reduce the load. There will be no leveraged advantage equipment allowed, which will reduce the load. The athlete will be expected to perform within the alactic window, and Josh trains outside the glycolytic widow; great for endurance and mitochondria but not optimal for powerlifting.

Scott wrote:
==Scott==
In the first place Joshua is not about powerlifting but about Bodybuilding. He is extremely strong though for one who hasn't really trained as a power lifter . Secondly to suggest that he needs to win a powerlifting competition to prove the worth of REN-EX is ridiculous.

Scott,
OK; could you suggest a better way to test the belief that Ren-Ex builds the better dl?

Scott,
OK; could you suggest a better way to test the belief that Ren-Ex builds the better dl?

==Scott==
I could be wrong but I don't think Joshua ever contended that REN-EX is the best way to train for deadlifts and that point aside Joshua does not have the structure for deadlifting well no matter how good REN-EX or any other form of exercise he chose for himself to compete with those better suited to deadlifting like a short stocky Columbo.

as for the rest of the comments i might have time to get to them tonight.

i'm not sure if anyone actually read the article past 300x42.lol from what i can see here.

as for the comment about r.o.m, the XPload machine was set at handle #1 it's the deepest ROM, i think i used 2 or 3 for the 1000# demonstration

as for another comment...i have no desire to build a Deadlift, but rather build muscles.

largely it looks like the intent of the article was missed here,my first guess would be that my writing is poor, but the comments on the renex site were more consistent with what i was trying to convey

here.... same mental blocks or people are just trying to be argumentive rather than discuss

entsminger wrote:
Tomislav wrote:
Josh wrote:
I don't believe any amount of "other" training(other than RenEx), or practice, or even intent to just make weights move up and down could have made me strong enough [to do a partial deadlift with 1.2x bodyweight].

I disagree Josh, 300 lbs isn't a lot of weight to aspire to for a deadlift, particularly with a partial ROM. I think you're selling yourself short with the claim that a high rep set of partial dl's with 1.2x bodyweight would have been unsurmountable without Ren-Ex; I think John Christy or CW could have had you deadlifting 600 lbs or more and easily hitting 405x20 with a full range of motion by now.

I see many problems here Marc; they will expect a full ROM movement in the meet which will reduce the load. There will be no leveraged advantage equipment allowed, which will reduce the load. The athlete will be expected to perform within the alactic window, and Josh trains outside the glycolytic widow; great for endurance and mitochondria but not optimal for powerlifting.

Scott wrote:
==Scott==
In the first place Joshua is not about powerlifting but about Bodybuilding. He is extremely strong though for one who hasn't really trained as a power lifter . Secondly to suggest that he needs to win a powerlifting competition to prove the worth of REN-EX is ridiculous.

Scott,
OK; could you suggest a better way to test the belief that Ren-Ex builds the better dl?

Scott,
OK; could you suggest a better way to test the belief that Ren-Ex builds the better dl?

==Scott==
I could be wrong but I don't think Joshua ever contended that REN-EX is the best way to train for deadlifts...
like a short stocky Columbo.
Yes, you are challenging the training topic Scott; just reread Josh's quote at the top of this post - his contentions are clear.

db144 wrote:
Dr. Ken's 23 reps at 405 lbs at a bodyweight of 170 and age 53 proves the superiority of barbell training. That is much more impressive and telling than your 300 lbs for 42 reps at age 40 and bodyweight of 240.

Josh please stop using yourself as an example of RenEx superiority, it is not proof.

d

I dont want to offend you but it might be that you miss the point.

Joshua dosent claim its the best way to demonstrate strenght, just that he become quite stronger without practising DL.

Maybe somebody can lift more, by practisising the lift, still that wasent the message in the article IMO.

An important to point to consider, while no one is saying. me especially the squat and deadlift are not effective BARBELL exercises, IF done properly. The inherent problem with them, is in fact there execution, most don?t do them properly and thus makes them very dangerous, they are very difficult to teach which wastes valuable workouts, the list goes on.

Ren Ex is a STANDARDISATION of a protocol, there is no room for interpretation, nor should there be, there is some teaching required but this more to do with making the protocol as effective and efficient as possible. thus the trainees results are that much faster..the choice is yours.

I didn't miss the point at all. Josh is stating the RenEx protocol has allowed him to execute this DL challenge without practicing DLs regularly because it is that much better than anything else. Again I say Josh needs to stop using himself as an example of RenEx.

Take an untrained person off the street train him for a year and then show me what they have attained compared to other more traditional methods. Until that happens it is all hearsay and nothing more.

Josh has every right to report himself as a single case study. He has demonstrated apparently that he is well adapted to the deadlift. But that is all he can claim. As others have said, to prove that his system is superior, he would have to produce a comparison study. We don't know if Josh had performed conventional training, he would have demonstrated the same or even perhaps a better result. Any claims other than "this is what I did" would seem to be in the imagination of the author.