North Korea

Perhaps I’m overly sensible, but why exactly does the US need to get involved defending South Korea from an attack by North Korea? Would your life appreciably change for the worse if those two duked it out on their own terms?

Last I checked, South Koreans hated America, and protests against our military presence there are a regular occurrence. It used to be the Code of the Tribe that when another tribe ostensibly under your tribe’s umbrella of protection hates the living fuck out of you and your kind, you at the least stop protecting them if no natural resource they own and which you use is in danger of mass disruption.

Given the anti-white male animus that percolates like boiling magma through every corridor of the Cathedral, it’s a wonder there are white men left willing to fight for the US of Majority-Minority. I’d call them fools if I didn’t think there’s still a chance they might see the light one day. And by “see the light”…

also what are you talking about? some few anti americans don’t reflect the whole people, most south koreans are ok with america, United States wants Korea to grow stronger and more powerful with more people, in case they absorb and fusion the north, also if the north wins what the south made would be a waste, they can’t protect themselves of course they need United States, Korea is the country of Samsung and Psy

Why do we need to care? Need to stop the Chinesse from spreading Communism. Dictarships and commies tend to start lots of wars and at times are rather eratic.

Reference, World War II, Wolrd War I…..and the Japanse Emperlistic nightmare.

The real question you should be asking is why Truman was such a pussy and didnt’ let McArthur make the place a fucking parking lot in the 1950’s. The only reason the DMZ exists is because Truman sided with the Chinesse and told McArthur to stop at the 38th parallel and not move any farther north.

I bet Truman was a beta. Eisenhower was the Alpha.

Whatever it was, we got some nimrod in the north who lives in a sea of famine and can’t even keep the lights on fucking with an entire hemisphere.

The strategic US thinking at the time of the Korean invasion was that it was a feint and that the real threat to US interests was from the Russians in Europe. We didn’t want to spread our reserves too thin and Europe was vastly more important to us than South Korea. Ever play “Risk”?

Why didn’t we go nuclear? One – our inventory of weapons and production rate capacity were both very low. We would be like Biden’s double barrel shot gun – shoot your wade and then the Commies say “Is that all you got?”

Second, nukes at that time wouldn’t have been all that effective. The biggest we had in 1950 was maybe 40 kT or twice the Hiroshima/Nagasaki power (and effects scale as 2/3 power function) although we had 100 kT by war’s end. Weaponized H-bombs were a few years off.

Targets were we could use a nuke as a battlefield weapon were few and far between – plus we had little tactical doctrine on how to use them – Davey Crocketts were also years away.

So I think Truman made the right calls under the circumstances although Dewey might have handled MacArthur better.

All we act as is a deterrent. All the deterrence has done is allow for 50 years of bullshit. South Korea could defend itself and likely destroy North Korea– and if they can’t it is only because they know the US will back them and consequently haven’t built a military.

Your country is based on its ability on printing money and not hyper-inflate. You can do it because dollar is the universal currency for global trade. You keep it this way by projecting power anywhere anytime. And when the need to project power comes, you need to be able to do it.

Hitchens pointed out that the Midget Kingdom has been programmed into some very hate-filled crazy asses. They are moar racist than South Ko, and actually think they can kick our asses. Speaking of SouthKo racism, Hines Ward can tell you that they hate all kinds of americans, but some types even more. Yet here we are.

Would the US be comfortable without a war to fight, or without a conflict on the horizon they could get involved with? I’m no history major, but when was the last time the US wasn’t involved in some sort of conflict?… WW2, Cold War, Korean War, Vietnam, Gulf War 1+2, Afghan…

South Korea have long treated North Korean rhetoric with indifference, the noisy neighbour to be put up with. The US needed to take a page out of their book. It’s all hot air.

You forgot WWI, the Spanish-American War, the conflicts with Indian tribes, the Civil War, the Mexican-American War, the War of 1812, the War for Independence, the French and Indian War, more conflicts with the Indians…..what did I forget?

There we go then. The defence contractors, arms manufacturers need to be kept in business some how. Perhaps it would never be in the US Government’s interest for the world to ever be at peace. The public becomes easier to control, legislation gets passed easier when there under shadows of hypothetical threat…

South Korea needs to be saved because some of us want phones larger than the squinty 4″ models offered by Apple. And the S-Pen is certainly a welcome addition, I think it is a good move to pull out the S-Pen and actually give it to the girl to write you her number on your phone’s screen.

Barry should grow a pair and tell the Red Chinese it’s their problem and their responsibility to tell Baby So-Ronery to STFU. If the Red Chinese had stayed the f*ck out of the war 60 years ago then the whole peninsula would be churning out phones and guys who spank off to videogame rendered hussies.

Better yet, send Alec Baldwin and the Film Actors Guild over there to solve it.

A lot of us white males enjoy us some war-murder and that’s why we still join up. I wondered how long that will last when we start going after our own but it seems like local and federal law enforcement paramilitary types have no problem with that. So, we’re fucked by nature.

Joking aside, I think Mark Steyn pointed out that the two Bushes squandered conservatism by using it for foreign adventurism instead of defending the brand at home. And here we are, we let the commies march through the institutions since at least 1992 and now any vestige of the sources of american greatness are quickly mocked and destroyed by the Cathedral. And our current leadership has pretty much bought into it too.

Its not quite so simple as the USA being nosey, hatred of white men, or Obama being a wimp.

Analogy: North Korea is a schizophrenic homeless man who is always waving a grenade and screaming “I gonna pull the pin and throw this someone!!!”. Meanwhile, all the folks in the neighborhood (US, China, Russia, Japan, South Korea, etc) are NOT quite sure how to deal with the ‘neighborhood schizo’.

North Korea threatens the global economy. It has the capacity to destroy or cripple some the US’s most important trading partners (Japan, Taiwan, South Korea) and by extension impact the US economy and thereby impact the Chinese economy and thereby DESTROY the global economy.

Most importantly, the immediate loss of life would be catastrophic. Additionally, the deaths and illness stemming from radiation poisoning in the global air and sea is literally incalculable.

Google: “”chernobyl human mutations”. Things might get a little more clearer for you.

It has the capacity to destroy or cripple some the US’s most important trading partners (Japan, Taiwan, South Korea) and by extension impact the US economy and thereby impact the Chinese economy and thereby DESTROY the global economy.

Actually, if NK nuked those countries and wrecked their manufacturing, it would force us to make our own stuff once again and bring down our trade deficit.

We’re the ones who supply them with food, and they sell us more expensive manufactured goods. In other words, we’re in the exact same trading relationship the British tried to impose on us to keep us poor and underdeveloped, before we rebelled.

“the deaths and illness stemming from radiation poisoning in the global air and sea is literally incalculable.”

Bunk. A 20 kT ground burst loses a lot of general area destruction but does spread LOCAL fallout. It would be bad at the GZ and could kill as far out as 100 miles in a very narrow pencil-shaped stripe, depending on the winds. It is doubtful that the NoKos can even do 20kT and they have damn few at that.

Now, during the Cold War the US has 25 MT war loads on Titan II missile and on B-52s just for bunker busting duty and for Russian missile silos. Enough of those and regional fallout would be fatal but globally dangerous? No..

The best nuclear story I’ve heard about the NoKo – their dirty bomb they sold Hamas.

Remember the ship the Somali pirates captured where the pirates started dropping dead from “a mystery illness”? The ship was loaded with reprocessing waste from the NoKo’s fuel reprocessing and was headed for the coast off Israel, there to be exploded into dust when the wind was right to cover Israel.

What if they were to nuke fukushima reactors that are already weak from the tsunami? When it first hit they projected the fallout from a catastrophic meltdown would spread radiation all the way to Colorado over the course of 3 days. I’m not sure of the exact affect of a nuke on a reactor is however unless it somehow dispersed the radiation, as the initial storm blowing the fallout of fukushima south away from tokyo, it could possibly render California (one of the largest economies in the world) a waste land iirc.

This however doesn’t alter the fact that yes most Koreans are uber racist xenophobes with an irritating mix of industrialized China corruption and Japanese reservations. The only true attack the N. Koreans have is in the domino reactions of their first shot. They could crush maybe Seoul and then it’s complete and total destruction. The status quo most likely beats whatever benefit may be derived from access to NK otherwise we’d have found an excuse to fight them already.

Frankly, you have no idea of which you speak. California is NOT at risk – there’s thousands of miles of ocean and bad weather between Korea/Japan and the US West Coast.

Why waste a precious nuke on a ruined power plant when Tokyo has millions of people?

The release and transport of nuclear materials from a reactor accident or a nuclear explosion is vastly over-estimated in the popular mind. Decades of fear-mongering has been the cause. Do some research before you spout off in public on topics that you are ignorant of

First read “The Effects of Nuclear Weapons” by Glasstone. The NRC has radioactive dispersal and dose studies on their website on nuclear accidents.

“A lie can go around the world before the truth can put on its boots.” – Mark Twain.

They don’t have the capability to “destroy” anyone. To cause damage, yes. But if they did they’d be utterly smashed by the resulting war. The biggest danger is making them feel like they have nothing to lose, which is what provoking them will do

It’s all about the disputed islands and the security of future oil supplies in the region. Not really North Korea vs South Korea, but China vs anyone else in the region. China has absolute control over North Korea. This conflict is just a prelude to an energy grab by China in the region to ensure their expansion in the decades to come.

North Korea is just their attack dog. China are pulling the strings. Hence why the US is more willing to get involved than if it was just a dispute between two-pint sized nations, with nothing to gain from the ground underneath.

The US won’t be the world’s foremost Super Power forever. Empires rise and fall, but it isn’t going to let up-and-comers take the crown without a fight.

Tend to doubt there will be a war because (A) North Korea will be utterly destroyed; (B) The South would still suffer heavy casualties. Estimates are north of 100,000 KIA and hundreds of billions in damages. If we don’t honor our commitment to an ally of 50 years why would any other country trust us? The North is doing this to try to get more aid and concessions from the West. Look for a missile launch by North Korea on or about April 15th to further rattle the world.

I fully concur. Any white male who volunteers for the armed forces in a day when he will come back to nothing (that is, if he comes back at all) after his tour of duty is over needs some serious mental evaluation.

As always, Rodney Dangerfield’s take on MacArthur and Truman kicks the most ass:

Sam Kinison (teacher): “How come we didn’t cross the3 9th parallel…and push those rice-eaters back to the Great Wall of China…and take it apart brick by brick…and nuke them back intothe fuckin’ stone age forever? How come? Tell me?Why? Say it! Say it!”

Rodney Dangerfield (student): “All right, I’ll say it. ‘Cause Truman was too much of a pussy whimp to let Mccarther in there and blow out those commie bastards!”

On one hand Truman was not a total beta, he dropped two nuclear bombs on Japan.
He has my respect for that.

but on the other (based on a PBS documentary I saw a couple years ago) with his wife he was a beta. She gave him the cold shoulder and he was begging for her love. She never appreciated him. He was President of the most succesfull nation in the history of the word but she made him feel small.

“Perhaps I’m overly sensible, but why exactly does the US need to get involved defending South Korea from an attack by North Korea?”

NK is directly threatening U.S. territory, and actively seeking weapons which will expand their reach and threat. It’s not just about NK/SK.

Also: a handful of stupid, loud, unemployed and therefore constantly protesting liberal protesters does not a majority opinion make. In national polling SK overwhelmingly favors and supports the U.S. Should we abandon a treaty made in good faith because a minority group doesn’t like us?

Nothing is going to happen any way. NK’s posturing is classic little man syndrome. They know what will happen to them if they dare attack.

Turns out poor Korea has been a punching bag for the U.S. Empire since the 1870s! No wonder the North Koreans are a little nutty about it. All that ginseng and kimchee: Koreans are tough and fiery tempered.

The U.S. has no business there anyway; it’s all about (a) more money for the Military-Industrial Complex, (b) “fern-bar Napoleons at National Review and Commentary” (Fred Reed) who can’t get enough war (so long as they don’t have to fight it), and (c) the terminal insanity of a dying empire that feels insanely compelled to prove its “masculinity” by sending dykes into battle.

Why that much fuss about Korea at all?
Your military has been there since the end of the war in 53′, and yet now you’re asking “why”?

North Korea can be crushed by South Korea even without your 28 000 soldiers in there.
What your country needs is a base against China.

Japan, Phillipines, S.Korea, and Taiwan are the only ones in the region willing to offer the ground for your bases, and voila! indeed all of this countries indeed (except Taiwan, offcourse) have either your troops or military advisors on their teritory, you even tried to lure Kyrgistan into your sphere of influence, (former USSR republic) but that base is now tightly controled by local army as Russia has gained her’s strenght once more.

Envelopement of China is the goal here.
Even Vietnam, have good relations with USA. You obviously putted much effort in that one, and it seems that USA is triing really hard to make that envelopement happen.

You’re not occupiers, you protect yourself, and by doing so you protect them, from China. And they know it. If they didn’t know it, you would have left like you left Iraq, and South Vietnam.

You’re not occupiers of these countries, since they do have free elections.
Russians today are not occupiers either, since they learned your school well, now they instigate coups if something goes off the tracks. Don’t self flagelate, you’re good.

Japan, Philippines, Korea, and especially Vietnam and Taiwan are all friendly towards the US not because the US coerced or enticed them… but rather, because these countries have long memories of the Chinese.

This is exactly right (except that the region’s just as scared and resentful of Japan as they are of China – they remember the Co-Prosperity Sphere and the cultural genocide efforts). America’s presence in East Asia keeps the Pacific from going up irradiated flames because we’re the only country they actually trust.

I think its two things:
Kim Jung the new guy has to make his bones in NK gov. There are probably a bunch of 50 yr old generals vying for his position. All this noise to show them that hes the big shit and not to fuck with him. Also to show the NK people that hes a tough leader.

The US generals on the other hand make a bunch of noise over this, scare the people, and secure more funding for the war machine. Who loses? US taxpayer funding all this nonsense.

We still serve because, really, not too many other places left. Britan is already fem-city and its spreading all across Europe and Europe really needs to get it’s shit together and have a military reform so that it can protect itself properly in the future. Too much trust in the U.N. when history has shown when shit hits the fan the realm divides so the U.N. won’t be of much help to anyone.
Personally I serve to kill terrorists and stop them dead in their tracks for trying to AMOG me and blow themselves up killing people. I just really hate them. I also want America to remain free and what it was in the 1950s. True, these are dark times and things seem to be getting worse n worse, but I hope people come to their senses and cast out the feminazis and introduce the truly age-old tenants that the manosphere has to offer to offer some balance. Maybe in another 20 years this country won’t be fighting for, but as it is right now, I think so. And I won’t quit just because some shit COULD happen.

It’s not about the Feminazis. It’s about women in a post-industrial economy.

Women have never had any appreciation for men’s contributions and sacrifice, nor empathy for men’s plight. They merely view men as a machine that serves them. They’ll subjugate you as much as economics will allow them.

All of them play on team vaj and they can recruit many of their fathers, brothers, sons, boyfriends, husbands to fight you and each other. They simply express that everything victimizes them, and the white knight button turns on.

Bad economy: restrict female mobility and keep males as enslaved as possible.
Good economy: liberate females and keep males as hated as possible.

lol. Our resident negro shows just how dumb he is: apparently, yellow and brown people, despite being nuclear physicists, can’t make weapons.it’s true whitey invented them, however, good job darky. Ya know, along with discovering how to harness nuclear energy–the thing that will power your TV so you can watch your relatives on Maury.

But one thing is clear: no black people were smart enough to ever invent or make nuclear weapons. You bone-in-the-nose subhumans are too stupid to master the stapler, let alone the secrets of the atom.

Thats my point Uncle Elmer. Not only did white people share the “secret” with other white people (which should be expected), they shared it with nonwhite people too.

Its not really and indictment of white people, its human nature. Whenever I get some good weed, I gots to “spread the love” at the same time I deny Im the perpetuator. The difference is, I don’t try to blame it on white people.

Can’t keep their lips shut when it comes to treasonous divulging of classified info… especially the usual suspect rad socs, outright reds, and of course, our old friends, the ubiquitous-in-these-sorts-of-affairs YKWs.

I used to live in South Korea. Feelings there about the US and the US military are mixed and a bit complicated. Most South Koreans don’t mind the US much at all and appreciate the military help, BUT since over the years there have been a number of rapes and murders of Korean women by US soldiers, and it doesn’t take more than one or two of those sorts of things to piss off the population, even if they are isolated incidents. And generally, the US soldiers have a reputation in SK for being a rude, noisy and inconsiderate lot; which they are, at least relatively speaking, because SK has a very reserved, polite sort of culture, not unlike Japan. So yea, mixed sentiments over there on the whole.

During the Japanese occupation of Korea, the “house negro Koreans” were in the south and the “field negro Koreans” were in the north. In Asian culture, all Asians hate the Japanese (cause they are like the white man). Notice how quickly the U.S made friends with the Japs. Chinese and Koreans hate this. How can a South Korean really support the U.S when the U.S supports the Japs; who commited all kinds of atrocities during their occupation of Korea?

S. Koreans “hate” US because they don’t like your army being stationed in their country(it’s the masses not the ones that understand politics), but you shouldn’t be dismayed by it, if China ever threatens they will be begging for you to return…

I know the feel though. Your Humwees had been passing down the road below my window for 5 years and i despised you for that. I knew even than(was 6 yrs old when you arrived) that you imposed peace/your will upon us.
It’s not something very rational, but it gets to you.

You can’t resist it, you just can’t stand the army of another country marching through your streets, be them peacemakers, occupiers, or even liberators(well liberators you can tolerate much longer i suppose). We knew you’re the superpower and that ther’s nothing we can do about it.

You in your humwees obeyed no traffic regulations, and were always speeding, and so it happened once that one humwee trashed a car and killed the couple inside on the spot. When the local people saw what happened and started to approach the crash site, one soldier got out of the humwee that crashed the car to unrecognisability and started to shot in the air, to chase off those that wanted to help the couple. I guess he did that in panic, but that’s when i started to wiew you really badly.

Our government had no amnesty over the American soldiers and they walked free. Our government appeased us, and we trusted the government and did nothing, but now we started to feel really preassured, since it became clear that you can do such things without any reprimands.

You can come to our country, crash, kill people, and shoot on our streets on whim, and ther’s absolutely nothing we can do about it. Or you’ll bomb us to ashes.

If somebody from our own army does something like this, the general feel is: “punish the individual”, if somebody from some foreign army that is inside your country in force(+acting a bit arrogantly)does that – “it’s the whole army’s fault” – especially if he doesn’t get the punished, much prefferably by our government… But it’s not that he wasn’t punished by our authority, he wasn’t punished by any authority…

After it, though i don’t remember any other similar incidents, and it just went under rug, because our government didn’t wanted to stirr things up, and the general feel was to bear you, until you do for what you came for, so you can leave our country to us.

And now try to imagine all that for 50 yrs, and many more than few incidents like this, and you’ll get close to the picture we’re looking at in South Korea.

Yes it’s different: Korea was litterally saved by you, we weren’t: when we asked you to come(during war) you refused, when we manged to liberate ourselves somehow and were finally in a position to deliver fatal blow to the enemy you intervened, and stopped us(now we see it’s good that you did stop us but at a time things looked very much different).

Besides that there is one very important factor to consider: I live in Croatia, and we always considered us a part of the West(regardless that by many things we still aren’t), and wanted to join the NATO, and be officially part of the West once more, and because of that our sentiment was: “let Americans do their own thing”.
Now imagine Afghanistan. For them you’re litterally occupiers. You’re infedels, and unbelivers defiling their holy land, + you imposed the northern government on the Pashtun majority country. You’ve got yourself into a clustershit in there and won’t pass better than Russians did.

Same thing in Japan – rapes are one of the reasons why 8K Marines are being moved from Okinawa to Darwin, AUS. But the Japanese know what happens to their country when their own military is allowed any kind of influence at all, so most of them are pretty much okay with America picking up the bulk of its defense for them.

To show other allies that the US still has their back. Otherwise, they may choose to remilitarise (Japan) or pick more aggressive strategy (Israel) and destabilise whole regions.

Also, because they don’t quite have the umpf of the US military, they will need to be more reactive (like betas) which can easily lead to a confrontation that gets out of hand (China vs Japan, China vs Taiwan, various followers of the religion of peace vs Israel).

Our client states and umbrella-sharers should get cracking (atom-cracking that is) and remilitarize and if regions become unstable they will be sure to find a new steady state without wasting the lives of our kids. We don’t have their back, we are well on our way to becoming a failed state ourselves. It isn’t possible nor even desirable to act as the world police anymore. The cooperative non-proliferation regime cobbled together for all those years died during the last Iraq war.

The US needs to fight for South Korea for the same reason the US needs to do anything: It provides an excuse to take resources away from the Americans that earned them, and pass the control of them to some government stooge. That’s all there ever was to anything the US needs to do.

Government programs never die, they just keep on going on into perpetuity under some completely different mission. The IMF and the Department of Education are no different; they exist only to perpetuate the bureaucracy which feeds them. The US military presence in Korea has long outlived its usefulness (and is even counter-productive), but the strange relationship between US and Korean generals, ministers, and contractors has kept alive the lie that a big physical commitment of soldiers and equipment is needed there and that the Korean people want it.

South Korea has double the population and 40 times the GDP of North Korea.Why can’t they defend themselves again? Is America not going broke? Would a fully armed Japan and South Korea not be a deterrent? You seem to be the one poorly educated on foreign affairs.

North Korea is to China as Al Qeada is to the U.S. Both nations use their respective “crazy uncle who just got out of prison” to scare their friends into “acting right”. The Saudi royal family is never more than a week away from having their heads cut off.

Eventually we will give up trying to police the world because the financial reality that we can’t afford it will catch up with us. It will no longer be a question of whether or not we should, but that we simply can’t.

I took a class in state and local government at Cal Poly in the mid-90’s. My professor happened to also be the mayor of our liberal college town.

After a whole quarter of him running down Prop 13 and 3 other ballot measures over the years to constrain government, I finally had had enough. I raised my hand then stood up and mentioned that I had voted for all four measures as had the MAJORITY of other California voters.

He had deliberately understated and underplayed the reasons we had felt necessary to rein in our governments from taking and wasting more and more of our money.

We’re still in Korea honoring the commitment that President Truman made to the UN and the ROK in 1950, sealed with a lot of American blood. It’s the same mission.

Our forces in Korea pose no threat to China nor do they have a regional mission. Their only mission and posture in Korea is to defend South Korea from a north Korean attack.

From day one, since Truman made the call, the Korea mission has been a world cop role. You might as well ask why cops continue to risk their lives policing neighborhoods where the residents resent police presence.

As far as South Koreans hating America, that’s not true. They don’t like the foreign military presence in their country, but Korea isn’t Okinawa. The vast majority understand and accept the obvious reason for the US military presence. They’re used to the threat as a fact of life, but that doesn’t mean they dismiss the notion that north Korea is a threat. After all, South Korea has compulsory military service. Respect and preparation for the north Korean threat is also a fact of life in South Korea.

Assuming the war stays cold, Korea is a good duty station for American soldiers, depending how far south you’re stationed. The Koreans are good hosts and KATUSAs make a difference.

Heartiste, as a soldier in Korea I can tell you many, many of us agree. It makes no fucking sense. The locals hate us. They’re always trying to goad us into fights so they can tape them and the media, who also hates us, can play back the parts where the little Korean men are getting their heads bashed in rather than the parts where they threw a beer on the American soldier and slapped him in the face while he was just standing there in the train station. I don’t know why we are protecting these people. The only Koreans who like us are #1 a lot of Korean females because their men are uber beta and #2 South Korean soldiers because we have a brotherhood with our fellow soldier. There is a reason US Army bases in Korea are a morale abyss and lead the way in drunken incidents, rapes, depression, etc.

Additionally, many of us have seen the light, so to speak. You won’t find a community of men who “get it” more than enlisted combat arms. The Army loses 80% of its best first-enlistment soldiers because they refuse to reenlist, so you can imagine how the leadership is given who stays (although sometimes the Army will just “stop loss” you against your own will and even when your contract is over it’s not over – only the government…). BTW here’s a fun fact: At the entrance to our bases is a huge bulletin board outlining where all the anti-American protests will be so we can avoid those locations and a mugging/beating from dozens of angry Koreans. And it’s hard to be too angry with them – American soldiers are caught raping, breaking and entering, acting like huge dicks in public (tons of soldiers are huge dicks) and they’re sick of a foreign occupier treating their people like shit and single handedly keeping their prostitution industry functioning.

Odd. I did 2 separate tours as an American soldier in Korea during the late 1990s. My experiences, while having some points in common, were very different than the negative experience you describe in this comment. My experiences ranged from neutral to positive.

They changed after the military accident which resulted in the deaths of two schoolgirls in 2002. But most of us were happy to be in Seoul or Pyongtaek rather than Iraq. The negative comment sounds more like it’s from a disgruntled English teacher. Am I right, “Charisma Man”?

It’s very possible. The Internet gives people access to something they didn’t have before: Information. Hence people in countries that we are occupying are waking up the reality of what we are doing, and what we have done, and they want us the fuck out of their country…the same way we would want a foreign army the fuck out of our country. If anything, these countries are surprisingly tolerant of our presence.

In my experience talking with Koreans about the issue, they don’t like US troops in Korea and they want US troops out of their country *when they no longer need us*. But their bigger concern is that the US will cut and run from South Korea in case of war with north Korea like we cut and run from South Vietnam.

The South Koreans fully realize and are sensitive that an America that abandoned one Asian ally to a brutal enemy can abandon them to a brutal enemy, too.

That’s why the ROK sent troops to Vietnam and Iraq, so they can remind us they helped us when we’re tempted not to help them.

I was a soldier over there from September 2003 until September 2006 and was in the U.S. Army from 2003 until 2011. I understand your sentiments and see how you got there. I would say that Korean feelings about us U.S. military personnel are mixed. They logically know that we need to be there to deter North Korean aggression from becoming worse, but they also know that emotionally no one wants foreign soldiers on their soil even as liberators at best and occupiers at worst even though most know we are liberators. You are correct that they know that many soldiers have poor behavior, but they know the majority of soldiers are good or at least ok people. I do feel that they don’t appreciate how much we do for them at our own expense, and that we should leave.

However, do not believe for a moment that American military keep their prostitution industry going. Prostitution around American military installations is small and well hidden in comparison to what Koreans have. There’s a reason why no American military is allowed to get a haircut from barber shops off American military installations as most Korean barber shops off installation were and probably still are fronts for prostitution. They also had red light districts in every major city and even a few medium sized cities to rival whatever is found in Amsterdam. They had massage parlors and coffee girls who would show up and serve more than coffee as they were prostitutes. They had escorts, hostess bars(juicy bars etc. This was for Koreans and not foreigners. The only thing you will see off American military installations is hostess bars(juicy bars), and a percentage of the women are prostitutes and a percentage aren’t and it needs to be hidden. The American military has become more bueracraucratized,, feminized and homosexualized. American military men have a hard time trying to hire prostitutes as a result which Korean men have considerably less problems with since General LaPorte was in charge since 2002. No one has changed a thing on whoring since he left as far as I know. This was all done to please feminazis religious busy bodies and people who are stupid enough to believe most prostitutes are exploited which they are not, and most whores volunteer for the money whether they don’t like their profession or not. Hey, that last clause in my last sentence sounds a lot like most American military personnel in that they do it for the money!!!!!!! I’m not saying that these military people aren’t patriotic and self sacrificing because they are, but they are looking to get fed, clothed and housed as well as afford a few luxuries too just like the rest of world, but in order to get that usually requires money!!!

The U.S. is nowhere near the SE Asia region and yet has a larger political and economic influence from afar than China has for countries on its own doorstep. Any concessions made by the US are gains for China. Other countries would become involved quickly and there would be a race to reassert power by other countries where vacuums are formed. U.S. is the gaffa out there at the moment, the costs vs. the payoff makes it worthwhile.

The US just wants an excuse to invade North Korea so that it can set up military bases right on the border of China. You’ll be going to war with them soon enough to deal with their “nuclear missiles” that they may or may not have. And, sure enough, the UK will follow like the good little bitch that we are.

First, the parameters of the mission have long been openly defined. Second and related, the entire US military posture in Korea is defensive. No part of our go-to-war plans or training in Korea is based on invading the north, preemptively or otherwise. The premise of all of our go-to-war plans in Korea is nK initiating hostilities and our forces acting in defense. Third, it’s an internationalized UN mission, albeit the standing non-US military presence in Korea is a token force, more a UN honor guard, though still a functional war-fighting unit. Other nations, including the UK, carry the same commitment to provide military forces to defend the ROK via the UN as they did for the Korean War. The US military presence in Korea (and Japan) functions to facilitate the entry of other national forces into Korea as much as to directly defend South Korea, especially Seoul.

We are not protecting anyone. We are getting raped by the military industrial complex and corrupt bureaucrats. They are spending our future tax dollars that we don’t have on false flag operations. War makes people rich. Soldiers are being used, lied to. To be fair, politicians aren’t stupid. They know what to say and how to use propaganda to get you to believe what we are doing is necessary. I believed it for awhile. My dad was in Vietnam, and I’m a vet as well, and so what? Nixon was a murderer, not only of Cambodians, Laotians, Vietnamese, but also American soldiers. Bush the same. Clinton too. Obama is just carrying on the legacy. What would happen if we left S. Korea to rot? Nothing. Let them fucking rot. Americans are warriors, and if a real threat came to our shores we would die before we let them come into our country and take over. If you pay attention you will occasionally catch a glimpse of what these cretins are up to, and it aint benevolence.

The economy is global enough that if South Korea were wrecked in a war it would have an impact on the US economy.

Secondly, when we pull into port in Korea we are always well received. Any protestors are the same kind of people who protest the military in the US.

Finally, the South Koreans actually do quite a bit to help the US military. We do exercises with their Navy all the time.

Its all about geopolitical balance. South Korea helps the US balance against China and Japan which in turn keeps East Asia stable. Ultimately North Korea isn’t a threat. Their goal is regime survival. They know that by acting crazy and like they are willing to go to war it keeps other countries from trying to foment unrest that could topple their government.

“The economy is global enough that if South Korea were wrecked in a war it would have an impact on the US economy.”

So we are there for money. Boy if that don’t get you all patriotic I don’t know what will. Here’s another thought: the military industrial complex is now too big to fail. All those people in all those bases around the world and around the US would raise the unemployment rate by a LOT if they were downsized. The military is essentially another welfare program. Politicians won’t touch downsizing with a 10 foot pole. So they make it their job to scare the shit out of us on a daily basis so we think we need to be the world’s cop.

“Secondly, when we pull into port in Korea we are always well received. Any protesters are the same kind of people who protest the military in the US.”

Pimps love money. Yes, the people/businesses in the country making money off the US soldiers and sailors are happy to let us buy their shit. They are also happy to kick some of that money up the chain so the corrupt police and politicians of S Korea can quickly crush any open opposition to our presence. But the country has become more democratic over the years, and hence the resentment is becoming more difficult to ignore. And it’s growing.

“Finally, the South Koreans actually do quite a bit to help the US military. We do exercises with their Navy all the time.”

Exercises? We don’t need help. From anybody. It’s just for show, like giving your kid a toy lawnmower so he can feel like he’s doing something useful. Like putting a baggy military uniform on an Afghani desert dweller so we can point to him and say “see, they’re helping! They want us here! Yeah we paid them in bags of cash and lost like hundreds of millions, but we gotz more playa! That shitz bein printed right now y’all!”

When it’s all said and done we’ll probably have just as many troops left in Afghanistan, maybe more in Iraq as we do in S Korea. This is how an empire eventually goes down. Why would we be any different?

“Its all about geopolitical balance.”

Heard that before. Sounds a lot like domino theory, axis of evil, etc etc. We can crush just about anyone now from a distance with our ridiculously advanced technology. But hey, after we crush them we get to go in and fix them back up. It’s a job-creation program! The broken-country theory of global economics! Gotta spend money to make money niggaz!

Heartiste, now is a fine time to tell this story of mine, which can serve as proof #4151912 that Chicks Dig Jerks.

I once visited the DPRK on a group tour. We spent most of our time in Pyongyang but went to a few other places too; we mostly saw what our handlers wanted us to see.

One thing that was hard to get used to was just how total the anti-American propaganda is. Everyone is taught from birth that the USA and all its people are pure unadulterated baby-killing grandma-burning evil.

At one point we were eating and singing karaoke with some young-ish DPRK girls, who certainly seemed to enjoy talking to us, and with our pidgin Korean, their pidgin English, and our joint pidgin Mandarin (drawing characters on paper quite often), we somehow managed to communicate.

At one point the 17- or 18-year old girl who seemed somewhat smitten with me asks what country I come from. Someone says “America” and there are a few gasps as they realize an enemy (an enemy on a group tour, mind you) is among them.

She looks at me for confirmation and I look right at her, point to myself, and say, in my broken Korean but with complete confidence,”Miguk saram“; “[I’m an] American person.”

Now keep in mind that this is basically the equivalent of saying, “Yes, I am a member of the Nazi Party” in the West.

And as the group continues talking, she leans into me, even closer than before, while her facial expression and speech betrayed nothing. But the way she leaned on me was unmistakable. Had there been pressure sensors in our clothes, she would have been in a gulag the next day.

Chicks Dig Jerks, gentlemen. Jerks; assholes; enemy combatants; whatever you want to call them. They love us and even a giant totalitarian regime that can and will starve you to death in a labor camp can’t totally snuff out their expressions of it.

“Given the anti-white male animus that percolates like boiling magma through every corridor of the Cathedral, it’s a wonder there are white men left willing to fight for the US of Majority-Minority. I’d call them fools if I didn’t think there’s still a chance they might see the light one day. And by “see the light”…

I saw the light when I joined the Army in the late 1980s. Went in a liberal, came out a Jared Taylor fan.

Most of the whites who join just need a job or money for college anyway. The days of hokey whites who feel a “duty to country” have ended or are coming to an end.

Interesting. I joined the Army for the job and GI bill. I came out a patriot and more open minded. Both the shit bags and high-speed soldiers of different ethnicities from different parts of the country I served with in the Army challenged my preconceived notions.

South Koreans don’t hate the US. At least not any more than our european allies hate us. Koreans not only idolize white foreigners, they emulate our features with plastic surgery. The older Koreans that were around during the war love us since our soldiers saved their butts.

There’s animosity sure, but its largely from the drunk military crowd and its no worse than anywhere else we have bases.

In actuality, north Korea isnt much of a threat. Their country is a giant concentration camp. Even their military officers have to sell drugs (and sometimes their own children) to get food. Air drop a couple kimchi mcgriddles and they’ll be on our side in no time.

Ass Neck – You are wrong about your assessment. If the majority of white soldiers only joined for money , then why are 75-80% of our combat arms jobs filled with White males? That’s correct…the mail room, Kitchen, laundry room, Motor transportation etc are filled with every kind of minority (not to mention females)

Any sort of combat facing job (normally done so out of of sense of duty) is typically majority white, followed by Hispanic then Asian and Black. That “Anglo” % is even higher for Spec Ops. Being fair about it, the Hispanic % of combat troops rises with their larger representation in the USA and they tend to make good soldiers. They too have some self respect and “machismimo” left in their culture which lends itself to fighting for something instead of taking women’s work to get a GI bill.

Sense of duty and pride in defending your nation is a GOOD thing. However it is not good when, as the author suggests, you are defending those who don’t give a shit about you because of a perverted version of history, self entitlement and basic lies.