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"It's a very serious thing, you think well actually can we really afford to have the heating on all day long, no we can't, so you have to be selective about when you have it on , and sometimes it's well actually you need to feed the children so put an extra jumper on and manage.

It's kind of like that it's really difficult, and you think it's a bit strange in a society like ours you shouldn't be having to think actually basics like heating and food we've got to make a choice between them when we're both working in a western society"