43 year old male in Georgia here. I also want this horrible law removed. Frustratingly, these legislators and governor were not voted in by a landslide; a few more votes changes the entire landscape here.

White male progressive here. Not enough of us speaking out. Not from GA, but this could go nationwide if used to defeat Roe v Wade. We have to make sure this does not happen. Religious law is not, and should not, govern our lives in any way.

No, religion adopted these concepts from natural human sensibilities. These concepts all exist because they offer a shared benefit to a society of people. Religion then twists the definitions of morality and human value to it’s purposes, but your claim that religion is the only thing preventing anarchy is a bit weak.

There's a really neat hidden brain episode, 'Creating God's, on just this topic. It discusses why societies have relied on religion as a moral supervisor which creates accountability for a society under threat of divine punishment. It's a great conversation, and as always the host Shankar Vedantam is lovely.

In fact, the Georgia Constitution explciitly provides for freedom of religion and the separation of church and state.

Article I, Section I, Paragraph IV. Religious opinions; freedom of religion. No inhabitant of this state shall be molested in person or property or be prohibited from holding any public office or trust on account of religious opinions; but the right of freedom of religion shall not be so construed as to excuse acts of licentiousness or justify practices inconsistent with the peace and safety of the state.

Article I, Section II, Paragraph VII. Separation of church and state. No money shall ever be taken from the public treasury, directly or indirectly, in aid of any church, sect, cult, or religious denomination or of any sectarian institution.

Let us in when the time comes? Regardless of the fact we’re trying to stop others from escaping governmental corruption on our southern border. America is really scaring me these days. I love my country so much, but things have gotten so bad. So far from what the founding fathers intended.

I seriously see the seeds of the Handmaid’s Tale (at least from the political/power perspective) being planted. It’s terrifying, as I’m soon to have my first child. What kind of world are we bringing a child into?

But to help now — everyone needs to be speaking out. Speak out in your country. Encourage American friends to speak out and to organize against these types of things. We need to get people to VOTE and to run for office.

There are gonna be a bunch of film and TV production companies who will need a place to shoot their shows soon. Invite them to Toronto and Vancouver, maybe give them some incentives to do so. Make it really attractive for them, so that they follow through on their threat to not shoot in Atlanta, Georgia anymore.

When Atlanta doesn't make money, the backwater parts of the state don't have any way to fund their bullshit, and their bullshit will presumably stop.

You can help even just by acknowledging and supporting liberal Americans. We exist in every city and every state, no matter how many times that state has gone "red" in the Electoral College.

The majority of Americans did not vote for Trump. Most Americans want to stay in the Paris Accord, to do something about climate change, to be respectful and appreciative of our NATO allies. Most Americans are opposed to putting children in cages and to relegating women to being baby factories. Most Americans want universal healthcare. We do not want and did not vote for Trump's version of America. Our system is broken, and deliberately so.

The average American, even in "red states," isn't all that different from the average Canadian, but the powerful are suppressing the ability of those Americans to vote. Kemp wouldn't even be governor of Georgia if he hadn't suppressed hundreds of thousands of votes in order to ensure his victory.

Outside of the U.S., it can be trendy to criticize us for our backward ways, especially conservative states. But this really isn't what Americans want.

Outside of the U.S., it can be trendy to criticize us for our backward ways, especially conservative states. But this really isn't what Americans want.

The average American, even in "red states," isn't all that different from the average Canadian, but the powerful are suppressing the ability of those Americans to vote. Kemp wouldn't even be governor of Georgia if he hadn't suppressed hundreds of thousands of votes around metro Atlanta in order to ensure his victory.

I agree that we have lots of issues but it’s not a bad thing to speak out about shit like this when you have MPs and MPPs (in Ontario at least) refusing to say they support a woman’s right to choose. We’re seeing more and more of the toxicity from our southern neighbors in our politics and rhetoric.

No matter how loudly they yell, the truth is that the draconian right wing is NOT in the majority in America. They only win when people who would otherwise care choose to be silent. Make your voice heard. The silent majority is not now, and never was, on the right.

Is this a joke? The left are far more vocal than the right in every way. Just look at Hollywood, mainstream media, silicon valley, every social media platform. Reddit itself is left leaning apart from the Donald.

Let me remind you that the left created one of the biggest protests in history following the presidential election.

It got me thinking, it’s based around the idea that a foetus is a person with full legal rights and protection when the heartbeat is detected, does that mean that child support is required to be paid from that moment?

I think so because the bill specifically stated that the fetus has full personhood for insurance and census purposes and stated that it can be claimed as a dependent. Idk how you would prove paternity that early though without risk to the fetus and mother.

Encourage your female friends to deny physicians any and all information regarding their reproductive system. They do not have to talk about their menstruation or ovulation cycles. They do not have to talk about their plans to become pregnant. They do not have to talk about their sexual activity. They do not have to provide urinary samples. Deny it all! You should too!

There are ways to access care that deny informational access to any and all things to do with pregnancy. If you want to get pregnant and want to stay pregnant then make sure that is documented. Don't want to be accused of a forced miscarriage now!

But access to bc? For PCOS or anaemia that is interrupting your lifestyle. Maybe for acne for a child. Cramps so severe you become non-functional.

A UTI? Oh I've just been drinking lots of sugary drinks. Please no pregnancy tests! Won't pay for it.

Are you having sex? Nope! Not this one. No sex just dildos in this one.

Oops! Used someone else's. Can I get std testing? Still no sex for me!

You're right, some things will be unavoidable. But if they're going to make women's lives harder then those women get to be as difficult as they damn well please and they should be rightfully encouraged to do so.

Birth control is a very misleading title. It can be used for many and any ailments and maladies that come with having a uterus. I know plenty who have used bc for acne. Others because their cramps are so horrid that if they had a typical menstrual cycle they'd be unable to be functioning one week of every month. In highschool friends took it because they heard a certain kind made their tits bigger. Talk about their health sure, but nothing to do with reproducing another being. No sex, no ovulation, no plans on child-rearing, and certainly no urine tests for a false positive leading to a false theory on a forced miscarriage.

Right, as a woman in her early 20’s I know quite a bit about birth control. But for example, if I miss a dose of my depo even by a day, they require multiple pregnancy tests to even be allowed my next dose. You can’t refuse the tests or they won’t give you birth control. Once, I made an appointment on time but when I arrived they “didn’t have any available staff to give injections” and I had to reschedule for 2 weeks later, boom, mandated pregnancy test. They also always question my periods, etc, but I guess you could refuse to answer those. But my point is they can refuse you birth control if you refuse a pregnancy test

So if you know quite a bit, you know there are plenty of alternatives. If they make you jump through so many hoops why allow them to?

I don't know anything about your life and the choices you've made and why you made them. So I don't know if you can even take an alternative. Only you do. If you can use an alternative, there has got to be other bc methods that don't require just strict testing for missed doses.

If you can't be on an alternative, help educate your friends and aquaintances who can. If they're going to be difficult with you be difficult with them. It's not easy and it won't ever be easy. It's intense emotional labor that some people just don't have the energy for. If you don't, then these words mean nothing and don't apply.

Okay let me reiterate the fact that I do not live in Georgia and am only asking for the benefit of those that do. Also, I don’t understand what you’re saying. It doesn’t matter which type of birth control you’re using, depo, the pill, an implant, if it’s given by a doctor, you are REQUIRED to take a pregnancy test before you have access to the method of birth control. If you have been on active birth control for years but it lapses, you again MUST take a pregnancy test.

So by “alternative” you literally mean women should use condoms and just not use prescription birth control because then doctors can access their health records? That seems counterintuitive to me. It seems like the people that wanted abortion to be illegal would love it if we didn’t feel comfortable/safe using birth control either.

No, you know more than I do clearly. You're right, I'm sure the people who are behind this would love if we feared using bc and I'd still just as soon not use it.

I have refused and always refused bc because of condoms and partners with vasectomies and strict monitoring. I have actively forced miscarriages upon myself. I'm sure I can call myself lucky. I have anaemia and ovarian cysts that sure would bother me much less with bc. But if they are truly this strict with medicine for our bodies then I feel I have made the right decision. You are free to make a different one, as others are as well.

Mmkay. So, this person seems to be a psycho, can anyone else answer my original question about what a woman can do that doesn’t want to take a pregnancy test but has to in order to access birth control? You know, besides in-home abortion?

If it stands, you do not want a pregnancy on record. If you're reported after a loss, you could be investigated for having an abortion out of state OR purposefully damaging your own body to cause a miscarriage. Tell your obgyn you want the pill for ovarian cysts, acne, pcos, menstrual regulation, ANYTHING other than being sexually active... let them put in your records you're celibate or single.

I keep reading this fear that they'll start investigating women for having miscarriages, but I did not read anything like that in the bill. Are you saying it's implied? I agree the bill is terrible, but I still did not see anything like that written in it. Am I missing something?

Two things at play here: HB 481 could not be used to successfully prosecute women. But if a woman had a miscarriage, she could be pulled into an investigation looking at whether someone performed an illegal abortion on her. (This bill targets DOCTORS instead of women as a way to get around Roe v Wade.)

The second is that women can be investigated for CAUSING their own miscarriage via drug or alcohol use. Given most women don't know they're pregnant for the first 6-10 weeks, if she went to the ER with extreme stomach pain, found out she was miscarrying, and there were drugs/alcohol in her system, she could be charged, or at least investigated.

Having to miss work to go through either could cause you to lose your job, and in turn, your home, etc.

After reading the bill, I can see where you're coming from in the first paragraph, but I still feel like the second paragraph is a bit of a stretch since, like you said, the bill seems to be targeting abortion providers (though it did seem ambiguous on whether women would be investigated for "providing" or causing their own abortion).

I've seen (in reddit comments so it might be bullshit) that there's a provision in the bill that would penalize women for going out of state to have abortions. This might be a way to prevent that? If no Georgia doctors know that you could be pregnant, the option remains open.

These bills are written to be appealed all the way to SCOTUS to overturn Roe v Wade and Planned Parenthood v Casey. Alito and Gorsuch have pretty much been begging for it. The only way to stop this from happening is to vote every cycle for everything and encourage everyone you know to do the same. Volunteer for candidates, and actively campaign for them. Take people to the polls to vote early. We've lost SCOTUS for the next 40 years, but we can get the reps who write and vote for these bills out of office if we have an informed voter base.

I disagree with this specific sign for this strategy. Attacking a religious group doesn't help make your point, it makes you look like you're a jerk who doesn't understand what's going on. I like the idea of picketing and making signs, this one just doesn't seem like it would (or should) be taken seriously.

Perhaps if you want to go with something like this, make it a reference to the Handmaids Tale? "Under his eye" etc

Look, I see the Handmaid's references just like the rest of us, but Handmaid's themed protests aren't working. The only people who get it are already on our side, the right wing slimebags who got us into this situation just laugh because people are standing out in the Georgia heat covered in fabric from head to toe.

Leave Georgia! If you don’t like this law, there are probably other laws, or things about the culture that you don’t agree with... Find somewhere else to live where the people embrace your values and morals. I expect there will be a mass exodus of people and money from the states that are bringing these draconian laws and ideas into being. Once enough people and businesses leave, then they’ll either get the idea and reverse course, or it won’t matter because the people who stay, or move, there like that flavor of kool-aid, anyways.

It is a little bit more complex than that. Besides not everyone being able to move on a whim, there is political calculus behind this law being passed. They want the law to be challenged in the courts as unconstitutional (which it is) so it will make it's way up through the courts system to the supreme court where the (purposely, stolen) conservative majority will rule it constitutional overturning Roe v Wade. This is a threat to all women.

I agree with everything you say here, and that’s kind of my point to the comment I made. The OP asked what he could do about the situation to protest it. The time for voting the legislators who passed this awful bill out of office prior to it being signed into law has already passed.

The local cultures in these areas (bible belt) may be something that the OP was born into, but doesn’t agree with; his options seem to be changing the culture, or leaving it. If he chooses to try changing it, and he succeeds at getting this law removed from the books, he will still live in a local culture that still supports these (and other) awful ideas and they will try to change the law again, and again, with other back door methods. I fully support people who fight the good fight for the purpose of doing what is good for society, but I also realize that it can be frustrating to one’s life living around people whose values are different than yours, and what an endlessly uphill battle it is to try and wake a society that’s so dedicated to remaining asleep.

You’re right! These are the opening salvos in an attempt to overturn Roe vs Wade after the two conservative additions to the SCOTUS. The larger battle will be fought nationally, so the OP could donate money, or fund raise for the ACLU, since they’re the ones who will be active in challenging these laws in court

Being able to up and leave would be great. But that’s not the reality for most women just straight up due to finances.

I’m in Texas, a state that is rushing to follow in Georgia’s footsteps. It’s also a state that I am bound, by court order, to remain in for the next ten years until my child turns 18 because of my abusive ex. So for me it’s not even financial, I would lose my son.

Holy shit Texas is doing WHAT?? As a Texan what can I do? I was in the women's March a couple years ago and we all saw what good that did (didn't really do anything imo). I feel so powerless but I still cannot just stand idly by!

Georgia is more purple than red, and the people in charge are not winning by landslides. If more progressive or liberal people leave, you make life worse for those who cannot leave. As far as Georgia republicans are concerned, they want us to leave so they can act like assholes in peace

Talk about it with your fiends and family - educate as many people as possible at how inhumane this law is.

Be sure to vote and get your friends to vote.

And, thank you for being someone who is willing to stick their neck out on this issue.

The sad thing is, the men will be left with a ton of grief if these anti-abortion bills pass. You’re only 20. Your generation will be dealing with this longer than mine. I’m doing everything I can - including talking about it and getting people registered to vote.

I’m terrified and horrified over these bills. I don’t want to see that much human suffering. It would be extremely tragic if they overturn Roe.

The right is extremely well mobilized. We have to make sure the left is united against this -

This won't apply to all situations, but the men will be on the hook for helping raise said children, including financially. What I'm saying is that maybe if men really thought about it they be up in arms and ready to over turn the law.
Maybe more men should think about that.
Thank you for caring about your fellow humans.

Anyone who calls this a religious law does not understand religion. Or they see religion as what these conservative hypocrites are portraying it as.

I am a religious, practicing human being. And i do not tolerate this law at all!

If you believe in God and you are in favor of this law then you are the biggest hypocrite on the face of this Earth. And you know where Hypocrites will end up? In the lowest circle of Hell!

If you are religiou and believe in God, you believe that he is the ultimate and Supreme power! His word is the last word, his command is the last command! And if you are Christian, Muslim, or Jewish, all three of these faiths (and every other faith) categorically states that God made humans and then gave them FREEWILL to choose as they lived their life. He gave them a code of good or bad, but left it upto them to decide if they want to follow it or not. And then everyone will be responsible for their own actions at the end. So to all the "religious" conservative hypocrites, are you bigger than God? Is your wisdom bigger than God's wisdom? Is your wish bigger than God's wish?

He gave human beings the power to Choose, to have a freewill. But you want to stand tall and preach about how you are so pious because you took away something that God himself granted humans.

This bill has nothing to do with religion, or faith, or even to save lives. It is all about ego and politics and "I am right!" mentality.

Hypocrites, Oi Oi! Hypocrites, Oi Oi! Hypocrites, Oi Oi!

I am moving from this shit pile of a city they call Atlanta, and dirt pile of a state they call Georgia. I have lived in the Bible belt for 2 years now, and i am a PRACTICING religious man, and I AM DISGUSTED!

Run for office, win, make real changes. Standing on a street corner feels nice, but rarely initiates the change. Usually some dumb person does something stupid or a group hijacks the agenda. Want real change? Then replace your elected officials.

Me and my twin sister were part of an accidental pregnancy between my Mom and Dad. They had a one night stand and never intended on being together, nor we're they compatible at all for each other long term. They had discussed an abortion once discovering our pregnancy, but finally decided against it. Me and my twin sister wouldn't be here today if my mom had an abortion. There are so many cases similar to mine that you all want to ignore, in fact majority of abortions are from accidental pregnancy.

And if your mom had a miscarriage through no fault of her own, she could be in prison for double homicide under this new law. They could have used evidence that she considered an abortion as her intent.

This is not true, they would investigate her if they had reason to be suspicious. In majority of cases this wouldn't be true. Even if they do choose to investigate, it's pretty easy to see the difference between a miscarriage and in home abortion, and she would never be prosecuted.

This is not just about people who have an accidental pregnancy and don’t want a child.

It’s about bodily autonomy - the right to decide what happens to your body. A 6 week old embryo is not equivalent to a fully grown adult human woman.

People want the choice about what happens to their own bodies, and to avoid situations like what happened in Ireland where a woman died because she had an incomplete miscarriage - the foetal tissue had a heartbeat and doctors wouldn’t perform an abortion that would have saved her life.

This issue is not black and white and the only people who need to be deciding about an abortion is the pregnant woman (+ their family depending on their situation) and their doctor.

That's very optimistic. It's been my experience as a woman posting on women's forums on the Internet that men get very uncomfortable when the conversation isn't about them. So they "whataboutmen?", "asaman", or play hero by aligning themselves with feminist causes while stressing that they are a man, for head pats.

Most of what people can do to protest is not going to be split down gender lines.

I'm tired of pandering to men, cossetting them and applauding them. Being gentle, pleading, persuasive, fair and gentle doesn't stop men from treating us like shit so there is really no point. I believe his motives are questionable so I am not going to bother with being polite. I'm polite to people if I think their conduct warrants it.

I mean you don't have to act like he's doing something special, just say what he can do to help and leave it at that. You don't have to pad his ego just to give him an answer. I mean honestly you could have even given some ways to help along with your original message and that would have been fine imo

Taking a glimpse at your post history it looks like you're MtF. If you haven't spent a lifetime as a woman being repeatedly dismissed, gaslighted, reduced, talked over, demeaned and ignored by men I can see how you wouldn't yet be jaded.

Men (not saying you are a man, I know you're a woman but you've been raised, socialised and treated as a man your whole life) are almost always, in 99.99% of cases, fundamentally clueless about and oblivious to the way in which women are trodden down by men.

If you've just started HRT and are starting to pass - welcome to your new status quo.

In a few years' time you may start to understand the phenomenon (although mercifully for you, at least you won't have been treated as inferior / gaslighted from birth in the way that natal females have been).

Fuck off would you. He stated his gender so people won't give him information which is useless to him; if you look at the rest of the thread people are providing useful tips on how to help while you are trying to act as a victim and at the same time insulting and putting down val_ium.

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If you don't like men helping, that is fine, but don't attack them for no reason. The OP might not have known how to help and therefore this is a reasonable question to ask, all you're doing is making people less likely to help in the future.

Chill. It’s hardly labour to type out a few sentences with a good suggestion.

Edit: I saw part of your reply before you removed it. You called me a man. I think you said that I couldn’t be expected to understand. You probably assumed this from my name and from the fact I disagree with you. I’m guessing you went through my post history and saw that I’m not a man, or trans, as you used this to make an argument against someone else. Can you think of an argument that doesn’t centre around the privileges of the person that disagrees with you?

Both great ideas, but neither of which OP is able to utilize if he's not a woman. Thus, the search for other options to join the fight.

Are (largely baseless) accusations of impure motives really helpful at this point? Is that really where we should be spending our energy—running an inquisition on each other to see who's the purest?

I mean, let's say you're right. Let's say OP is actually a pile of shit in human form and only wants to help to be seen helping. I don't think anything in this post indicates that, but let's have it your way and assume that's the case.

Does it even matter? Are the dollars donated to the ACLU by an evil, image-obsessed OP somehow less helpful than the dollars sent from someone less secretly sinister?

I love when men participate in these conversations- and I stand for equal treatment of all genders in public life. We can not promote the rights of women and other genders without including men in the conversation.

You know... there are still different standards we hold men to because of their gender. NO gender stereotypes should exist.

Why the fuck do men need to be "made more comfortable" about standing up for women's rights? That is the most self-involved nonsense.
Placating men and your weirdly fragile egos does not help our cause. To OP: what helps is standing up for women with as much masculine bullheaded attitude as any mysogninist. Fight the stereotype that real men don't care about women. And if you aren't doing this for head pats and attention, ask the women in your life how you can help. Be ready to drive them out of state if they need it

I interpreted it as, "I am a white man and I acknowledge that, unfortunately, that means I have a lot more privilege power. How can I use that privilege to greatest positive effect in this circumstance?"

I really don't care about the opinion of a person who actually thinks abortion is self defense. I'm pro abortion and I still can't wrap my head around how retarded that idea is. You sound like one of those rabid radicals that make arguments for post birth "abortions".

Where was there bad faith? When it comes to the abortion issue feminists consistently state that men shouldn't have a say in what happens to a woman's body. And I've seen many feminists stating that, in general, men need to be quiet and let women do the speaking now.

I was not nasty, nor did I attack anyone personally and yet here you are trying to reprimand me as if I were a child who did something wrong. Whilst at the same time you're supporting a person who went out of their way to insult and attack somebody for having an opinion they don't agree with. If you feminists didn't have double standards you'd have none at all.

I'm sure you're perfectly fine with the fact that it was a bunch of white men that created and this law and pushed it through in the first place though right? Signed into law by a white man? I have to assume you were very vocal that they have no place doing that right?

It has nothing to do with promoting rights or fighting for equality. It is a political ideology that has one goal, the accretion of more and more power.

Tell me, how do things like the Duluth Model help promote the rights of everybody? This is a system that literally states that men are violent abusers that assert their patriarchal dominance over women via abuse. It actually pushes the idea that only men can be abusers and openly states that when a woman is violent she must be defending herself against a man. This "model" is the framework our police departments use when dealing with DV. This is exactly why you hear so many stories of men being abused only to end up being arrested and thrown in jail.

I'm not ostracized from the feminist movement, I actively reject it. And have ever since it was originally tried to be crammed down my throat back in elementary/middle school.

Are you actually so stupid that you think pointing out awful things feminism promotes and institutes is a bad faith argument? That also seems to be the only thing your pee brain is capable of articulating. Perhaps this is proof positive that feminism rots your brain.

If feminism hasn't deteriorated your IQ down to the low 60's maybe you'll be capable of explaining what is "wrong" with showing policies put in place by feminism, that are astoundingly sexist and have had extremely detrimental affects on society at large. Our entire justice system is predicated on the idea that we would rather let 10 guilty men go free than see 1 innocent one punished. You're disgusting movement has made it so that innocent men have their lives destroyed, freedom taken away, all at the word (lies) of women. And you morons have the audacity to claim women have no power and that men have it all. Only one of the sexes can bring the power and violence of the state down upon the other, simply at their unverified word.

And I do have personal experience with this system. I was almost the victim of this unacceptable situation that was instituted by hate filled sexist feminists such as yourself.

Uuuum, this is literally a post about trying to help women being threatened by systemic violence by the gov for wanting a choice in their bodily autonomy. Men in power are actively opposing women’s access to healthcare. Don’t be the asshole who says “but what about the vague threat of white men being called mean names in response!!” Look beyond yourself mate, and think about the struggles of other people before whining about how hard it is being a guy online in a women’s forum.

No, I just draw a line between “women’s rights” and being able to abort a baby for mental health in the 3rd trimester that is now legal in NY. Got no problem with abortion in 1st trimester but extreme positions keep getting pushed. The majority of Americans including women do not support 3rd trimester abortions.

This conversation is not about that. And that’s a major problem with discourse in America these days. You took a thread about a ridiculously sweeping law that could kill women and punish doctors for things that are out of their control and went to the other extreme with your response.

Please stick to the topic or don’t reply at all. Women in Georgia need our help, and they number FAR more under this new law than any perceived threatened fetuses in NY under that law. At six weeks, MANY women wouldn’t even know they’re pregnant. And that isn’t accounting for the terrible ways some women come to BE pregnant OR the fact that the pregnancy could kill them OR the fact that they may receive no support after the baby is born OR the fact that they may even be forced to coparent with their rapists. All of these are actual risks in forcing a woman to carry an embryo without ANY other consideration besides early cardiac activity.

Honestly I don’t care if it “never happens”. Don’t disagree it’s not common and I ignore far right news that spams it because I understand it’s not common. The fact it’s legally allowed anyway by law is disgusting. It’s a viable human life during the 3rd trimester no question about it. I’m sure many Redditors were born early. I don’t care about your economic situation or any other excuse each individual decides their path and nobody has the right to decide it for them.

No you’re just deranged and unable to hear opposing arguments. Stick to your ecochambers. Even as a conservative I still browse these subs so I can hear different points of views even if I oppose them. I’m sure you don’t need to though mr self righteous

3rd Trimester abortions cost as much as a down payment on a house, are almost as dangerous as giving birth, and do very little to mitigate the long term effects of pregnancy on a woman's body. No one has them because they didn't realize their pregnancy was going to run through bikini season, they happen because death has entered the equation at some point. Either the fetus is dead or dying, or at risk of killing the mother. The idea that women are evilly murdering fully grown but not actually born babies just for spite is ridiculous. Even the most callous people have motives. What do you believe the motive is for a cavalier 3rd trimester abortion?

So I should sit out a barbaric, awful legislation because of my genitals?

Excuse me, but what the heck? I’m not part of minority but I protest malicious laws that target minorities. Or should I sit that one out as well?

Because going by this logic, I’ll only be able to participate in discussing laws that target straight, white men and correct me if I’m wrong but that’s how majority of this crap started in the first place.

I’m not saying women are weak. I’m saying everyone should protest hateful legislation regardless of the fact if that legislation personally affects them.

Really weird comments, especially coming from someone with a history of posting in r/mensrights. Yes, women can benefit from male activism and in a sense we are completely reliant on it as sexism can't be defeated without male support.

If men want to help they should just do it rather than making the focus about how they are a man and still helping us, hence expecting fawning hero treatment from women.

.... i was told men should not make legislation about abortion ecause they are not females and should not dictate what a woman can or cannot do with her body...
Now that a man want to have an opinion about what a woman can or cannot or with her body, he should do something...
Weird logic indeed...

If men should not have a word to say in a legislation about abortion, they should not have a word to say against it either...
I am in favor of allowing abortion and i respect the fact that women should decide what is good or not for them this is why i cannot show support one way or another, this is their fight, i should respect it and sit out of the debate