A question to you Planetpink would be why on Earth do you call yourself a Muslim?

Like how would you classify yourself as a Muslim currently?

Do you not feel ashamed that you are labelling yourself a Muslim, doing things which are clearly FORBIDDEN in Islam, then going into public and continuing to labelling yourself a Muslim? No to mention the fact that (although it sounds harsh it is true) that people like you give Islam a bad name.

And why do you feel you are a Lesbian (as in the cause of this)? The reason I ask this because in the majority of cases it is to do with something that has happened eg:
1. Dysfunctional family atmosphere
2. Emotional Insecurities
3. Physical Flaws
4. Pornography
5. Hatred towards Men

And so on.

Would be really interesting to hear your answers to all of the above questions, so please do answer when you get the chance

I'm not a lesbian because of the points you mentioned rather I'm just attracted to the same sex

Presumably because of the beliefs involving the oneness of God and His final messenger to be Prophet Muhammad.

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Like how would you classify yourself as a Muslim currently?

Same question, just phrased differently

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Do you not feel ashamed that you are labelling yourself a Muslim, doing things which are clearly FORBIDDEN in Islam, then going into public and continuing to labelling yourself a Muslim?

So according to you, anyone that commits a sin is outside the fold of Islam not a muslim?

So every muslim has been a non muslim at some point of their life?

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No to mention the fact that (although it sounds harsh it is true) that people like you give Islam a bad name.

Firstly, this contradicts all those who say "we should only care if Allah is happy with us, not other people" and quote the verse about the people of the book only being happy with muslims until they leave their faith.

He has a point.Somewhat badly phrased maybe less swearing would be better.Still they are all valid questions and if you don't want to answer them it's probably because you are scared of the answer that might be revealed. But I think it is a choice between religion and sexuality.Islam is clearly deeply homophobic and it's probably not possible to be both Muslim and gay.

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I would say the exact same things to them. Exactly the same. My disgust would be portrayed in the same manner...

It does sound like you are trying to shame those people and you didn't really answer the question
Your thread is about you so I commented on you. I ask again:
1) Why do you call yourself a Muslim? What do you that classifies you a Muslim?
2) Do you not feel ashamed that you are giving Islam a bad name while not even following its teachings?

Because from what it sounds like, you don't want to be a Muslim. You certainly are not following the religion, and if you are then due to your same sex acts your prayers etc are likely not to be accepted. So I am still confused why label yourself as a Muslim?

4) Are you proud to be a lesbian?
5) Why don't you tell your parents? They will be angry of course (you know you are doing something wrong) but at least they can discuss and help you. But then again think twice, I assume your parents are good people and I know stories where parents have found their child (eg masturbating to pornography) and their wife tried commiting suicide and his dad died at the news. Please do not put your parents through that because it sounds like they are nice people who tried to raise you as best they could but you slipped unfortunately

And how did this come about?

Or would you like me to think that you "have always been that way"?

1. I call myself a Muslim because I'm a Muslim. Me being a lesbian I don't think takes me out of the fold of Islam correct me if I'm wrong. I believe in Allah as my Lord and Muhammad as his messenger.

2. I don't think I'm giving Islam a bad name.

3. How dies it sound like I don't want to be Muslim? Statement about my prayers are likely not to be accepted, I don't thin that's true. I label myself as Muslim because I am.

4. Proud? Well I'm not ashamed.

5. I simply don't want to.

How did what come about?
Me being a lesbian?
I just became sexually attracted to girls since I was in Secondary and I still like girls so I don't know what you want me to say. I don't hate men I'm just not physically attracted to them.

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In many cases and situations it allows both parties to understand better the causes and solutions etc. I mentioned this so in case she didn't realise why I spoke of Islam to a fair extent is because I am a Muslim myself.
If saying what religion I am is a problem with you, then wake up buddy. World is full of people who you are yet to meet.

Yes it does put a context to your answer, and no I have no problem with you defining yourself as a muslim. However, just because you're a muslim doesn't mean what you say is correct, which is all I said.

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Firstly, that question was directed at OP. Hence why I tagged her in at that point.

It was a public comment and therefore the public are entitled to comment. A PM would be fully exclusive to the user.

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Regardless, secondly, if that is the case then it is no good to simply say you believe. The intention and mindset must be true and correct. This would also involve acting on what the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said and obeying the message from God through the Quran.

I understand your contention : intention and actions should follow. However, I disagreed with your initial comment of committing a sin causes you to become a non muslim (well that's what you wrote anyway)

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Ok?
But to respond, I was summarising my point by ending with the question so OP would remember it and respond hopefully (even though she clearly still forgot/avoided it).
So there really is no harm in asking it again. Must I spell everything out for you?

I didn't say there was anything wrong with asking again; I just stated an basic observation.

Sin = something that is forbidden and if acted upon, will result in punishment (unless repented)

Haram = anything that is forbidden and also results in punishment if acted upon (of course, this changes with repentance)

Therefore, there's no difference (unless you're referring to the language?)

(and unless you can offer more accurate definitons and explain the apparent difference)
QED

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Doing something bad, and doing something which is forbidden to the extent that it is mentioned in our holy book how much more severe the consequences are for these actions, is different.

This doesn't answer the question though. You're simply emphasizing the severity of punishment.

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Sins can be forgiven... through repentance. In Islam repentance involves a whole-heartedly apology (sincere) to you Lord, not doing that sin ever again, and basically trying to become a better Muslim.

I am already cognisant of this.

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This tends to apply for the bigger sins (haram) which answers the next part too. No. Not every Muslim has been a non-Muslim at some point. You have the wrong mentality here. Obviously sins are bad, minor ones can be forgiven by asking for forgiveness and stopping but the bigger ones involve a lot of repentance. Please note it involves stopping which OP clearly isn't.

I was just going by your words.

What's the difference if you repeatedly commit a "big" or "small" sin, in the context of being a muslim?

So you have an issue with the fact that she may not stop the sinning, as opposed to committing an individual sin? Could've mentioned that before!

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From what I can understand from your post; "we should only care if Allah is happy with us, not other people." Can you please explain to me through what mentality of yours, you think Allah would be happy with someone clearly committing sins which are outright haram?

(The irony comment was more humour originating from else where but was applicable here but don't worry about that)

You said : "people like you give Islam a bad name."

This comment explicitly shows that you care about other people's opinions (including that of non muslims)

I therefore showed an inconsistency with the popular argument of only caring what God thinks.

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You talk about irony. Well, I am a Muslim (yes I said it again, get mad). I am trying to help another 'Muslim' realise what they are doing is forbidden and that people then think this is what Islam is. It is not that at all. So there is infact no irony.

I am not mad at all if you're a muslim, I'm not too sure why you keep referring to this?

The irony being you claim the other user "gives Islam a bad name" but if you really consider your own actions, whether they are in agreement of Islamic teachings or not, they are doing exactly what you accuse others of.

Hence why (often) muslims only care what God thinks

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Unless you define irony as "helping others understand what they are doing is wrong"?

Hi, question about marriage. My best friend is a gay Muslim guy and his parents do expect him to eventually get married.
Now this poses the obvious problem of the fact that he can't marry a guy because his parents would disown/stop talking to him and he's in no way attracted to guys, would you consider marrying a gay Muslim as a sort of convenience marriage where both of you win-win?

I am so proud of you! Regardless, as long as you can accept yourself, everybody else will follow. The fact you have acknowledged your sexuality is amazing because you are one step further to greatness. Life is too short, do not waste it being somebody that you are not. Keep doing what you're doing hunny, you are doing great xx