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Now for someone like you, Knotty, that's just trying to improve sight reading, where is the delay coming from, the Deciphering of the note or the finger going to the note?

I'm just wondering if my time away from the piano can be used for building up the deciphering speed, particulary of chord shapes.

When I read my kid's beginner piano books, it is clear that they only want you to look at the starting note, and everything else is based on interval moves (without thinking of the notes). If this is the case, then trying to improve my deciphering doesn't do anything.

>> Now for someone like you, Knotty, that's just trying to improve sight reading, where is the delay coming from, the Deciphering of the note or the finger going to the note?

I don't know if there is a delay. Nothing in music comes fast, you know that. I think I'm making great progress so I'm happy to recommend it. In addition, I'm enjoying it.

But the difficulty are those I stated above. When RH drives, then LH drives, I get confused. See what I mean, sometimes you'll have a line in the RH, that stops, and then you need to tell your head that the line you are now reading is in the LH, and the RH is playing support roles. Also, reading 2 staves is always a source of confusion. Especially when the motion inverts. Rhythms can be tricky.

And the delay comes from the fact that this method is intended to be slow. 1 4 measure tune per day.

Seems to me like you already know all the notes, so that really great. I'm sure rhythms are also easy. You just need to train yourself to follow the notes as you read, and read ahead.

How many times do you do each book? If you've sight read it once, then the next time it would be too easy to memorize? I have a natural habit of memorizing what I see (as I mentioned before).

BTW - my level would be above this book. This is simpler than what my kid is doing. I can sight read what my kid plays.

I was at a lesson with my teacher and I explained my sight reading problem. Then he tested me on playing various chords without looking at the keyboard. He said I had no problem with that. So maybe my issue is as simple as never moving my head or not freezing in fear.

Seriously, you cannot play a piece like Chopin's 10/1 if you cannot feel the keyboard. There's no time.

I do those Phone apps where it shows a note and you play it on the keyboard. I do well on those too. But I don't have to look away since the keyboard and note are on the same little screen.

I can read the melody of any Real Book leadsheet, though I memorize it.

What is wrong with me?!!! I conclude I have a psychological problem. I need a shrink to analyze.

>>Then he tested me on playing various chords without looking at the keyboard. Playing chord? Reading Chords. I have no doubt you can play chords. That's what we do. But how is it related to sight reading?

>>BTW - my level would be above this book. This is simpler than what my kid is doing. I can sight read what my kid plays.

Earlier you said:>>The kid stuff IS designed for sight reading. In fact, at this level, it seems to be the main point of the books. It is easy for me to read them. But the reaction time is the issue.

That indicates to me that you cannot sight read those pieces. If you have a delay, or a reaction time, then it's deciphering, not sight reading.

So I assume you did that with the piece that says 5th day. You sat down, and played it through perfect the first time. If there was no struggling, then you are above that level.

I can show you mid of book 3 or beginning of book 4 if you'd like.

>> What is wrong with me?!!! I conclude I have a psychological problem. smile I need a shrink to analyze.You're just at a particular level like anyone else, but I'm not able to understand what that level is yet. There is a point where you are no longer able to sight read a piece. And then there's a point right before where you can still sight read, keeping time, but making a few mistakes. That's your level right there.

In the end, it doesn't matter if you look at your hands, or what. What matters is whether you can play the piece the first time. If you have a good ear, you can read the piece ahead and hear it all in your head, therefore playing by ear. That counts, that's all good.

>>Then he tested me on playing various chords without looking at the keyboard. Playing chord? Reading Chords. I have no doubt you can play chords. That's what we do. But how is it related to sight reading?

Just to answer this, it means I don't need to look at my hands to play since I can play complex chords without looking.

The point is, I can read the notes (I can say them out loud), I can play without looking -- YET I cannot sight read. I freeze.

It's like parts of the elements of sight reading are in me but I'm missing something that I don't understand.

I did your exercise last night and found a weakness with looking at the bass clef at the same time. Other than that delay, this was a doable exercise. Am I allowed to try it again to build up speed?

Since I am not practiced in simultaneously reading the bass clef, I just spent a lot of time going through the Real Book melodies of tunes I don't know to see if I could read them. I guess if I just forced myself to never look away, it was doable.

Maybe this is not as bad as it seems. If I can sight read even just the head, then it would be major progress.

>>Am I allowed to try it again to build up speed?Yes. I gave myself the goal that I should be able to play them at 60bpm the first time around. But then I come back the next day and speed it up. Not all in one day because it's too easy to memorize.

>> Maybe this is not as bad as it seems. If I can sight read even just the head, then it would be major progress.Some melodies in the realbooks are really hard to read.

>> So what book are you on now?I'm still on book 3. I think 1 book is about 6 months or so. At least at my pace. Note that book 12, which is last, is very advanced. If I make it there, 4 or 5 years sounds reasonable. I think you get the most out of it by doing it slowly, each day.

You'll find out soon enough. Book 3 gets tricky for folks like me, not used to playingreading 2 staves at a time. However, it's not very advanced. Minimum chords, minimum hand movement. But it's because it's a the right level, and simple enough that I'm able to keep my eyes on the paper, not look at the hand, and make some decent progress.

It's key to find your level. I don't about know your teacher, but jazz teachers are usually not very experienced teaching reading, while classical teachers can tell you pretty quick what your sight reading level is. It's what they do.

Hey Knotty, I went with 4 Stars Book 4 and I just received it. It looks fine. I can still read it (though not fast). This was marked 'Early Intermediate'. It's still simple, the only difference are the keys (this one starts in the Key of D and F in the first couple of pages.

Crossing my fingers here but it looks like I was on the verge of figuring it out and I may have reached a milestone here.

TLT - there is no doubt I know what I am not good at I've been embarrassed more than a few times when I freeze in front of my teacher. But it seems like reading away from the piano has helped (I've been doing that in the last few months).

OT: I just joined a few days ago because I am in the buying process... haven't owned a piano for 7 years. I just saw this forum/thread and am excited! Looks like there is great support not only for buying but for learning and improving.

I've played Naima more as a solo piano piece and it sounds great for that. But to do it combo style and double-timing the solo was harder than I thought. After awhile I was repeating ideas...

All non-functional harmony.

I still hate the term 'non-functional' harmony, so I'll just pretend that no one is saying it anymore.

In any case, I'm wondering about some typos in the Real Book Hal Leonard version for Naima. I've got the original real book and the versions are virtually identical except for an A or Ab chord in the 4th bar. Both sound good with the right voicing, but I'm thinking the chord should be Ab, given the same progression later on has Ab.