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It’s my turn to say hello. My name is Saito and I am Japanese QA in Desktop, working in Wroclaw, Poland.

I’d like to announce another Opera web browser update, just before Christmas. Since this is an update to our stable branch, you don’t need to do anything special. Just sit and wait for the auto-update, but remember to restart your favorite browser. That’s all!

If you are eager to catch up right away, “OMenu (Opera Menu) > About Opera” will check it if the update is ready.

This is obviously not what people refer to as bookmarks. QAB is far too rudimentary to pass though as “bookmarks”, that’s why it is called QAB in the first place. I think the core question of the OP is valid, maybe for Xmas?

Anderson Araujo

Opera Link/Sync or whatever works in this build already?

rafaeljvieira

Opera 18 is on stable channel, which means it is feature-complete and won’t get any other new features. New features will only be released on the Dev channel, which is Opera 20 at the moment.

AFAICT, build 18.0.1284.49 was the “official” Opera 18 stable release (http://blogs.opera.com/desktop/2013/11/opera-18-landed/). If so, I don’t see any blog posts corresponding to the 18.0.1284.57 build listed in the changelog. So I’m wondering if perhaps the 18.0.1284.57 build info in the changelog is mislabeled and should be labeled 18.0.1284.63 ???

(The 18.0.1284.57 build info was the most recent listed in the changelog when I downloaded v18.0.1284.63, but I missed the v18.0.1284.57 download if there was one… …Maybe someone who has been tracking it more closely or who downloaded 18.0.1284.49, 18.0.1284.57, and 18.0.1284.63 can clarify ???)

BTW, I really like these single-page cumulative changelogs listing each build, but it would be nice if the release date were posted next to each build.

Marcin Mitek

Thank’s for pointing it out. I’ll try to fix it before holiday break.

gdv

Thanks!
That was quick! 🙂

Marcin Mitek

I answered up there, there was a mistake when we were preparing changelog for one of the 18 minor updates (.63) and we left the primary number (.57). So 57 is actually 63 which was released, quite a mess, sorry for that. Should now be fixed. We will consider adding date from now on.

Spent about an hour 5 days ago trying to figure out when/how I had missed the fabled 18.0.1284.57. 😛

It didn’t help that the only specific mentioned in the blog post (“…crashes when enabling notifications in Gmail.”) didn’t seem to match any of the items in the changelog. I see now in another post in this thread) you have linked the Gmail crashes to the changelog item: “DNA-12725 wykop.pl link crashes renderer in Opera master” (which certainly would not be apparent to most of us users).

I appreciate your efforts to clear up the confusion! 🙂

Marcin Mitek

No problem 🙂 Sometimes it’s hard to keep a clean changelog when a lot of stuff is going on around. Next time we will try to make it better and more obvious for you.

gdv

Thanks. A little slow getting back to you, but you mentioned earlier that “We will consider adding date from now on”, and I just want to give a (:thumbsup:) reminder how helpful I think that would be. 🙂

As I was trying to sort out the confusion, I also noticed it was very helpful to have the build number included in the blog post title (e.g., “Another Opera stable update, 18.0.1284.68” rather than “Opera 18 stable update” or “Opera 18 has landed!”).

That makes it easier to keep track of which blog posts have already been read, or to find a specific blog post again by searching for the build number. It would also tie a blog post announcing a new build to the build info in the changelog just as well as a date would.

…(Although I’d still like to see the date in the changelog as well, for ease of tracking progress chronologically without having to refer back to the blog post date.)

Marcin Mitek

It’s actually small thing that may be very useful for tracking. I’ll try not to forget (and I’m sticking post-it note to my screen right now) 🙂

gdv

Thanks! 🙂

blackcoder

Thank you. Updated. 🙂

L33t4opera

Thanks for the info about the update Saito 😉
Nevertheless, and with all due respect to you, Opera’s gals and guys, but my patience to such announcements of new versions, which contain such ridiculously insignificant amount of info about the changes, is over.
“Chromium Update” – to which version of Chromium?
“Several important crash fixes”
1. How many changes, and crash fixes?
2. What are the changes in detail?
3. What are the impacts of these changes?
5. What they improve?
6. What are known bugs in this version, comparing to the previous version?

Presumably, that I will do automatic update, or download new version, and install it, because I trust you, but what in case, if I just want to know, what exactly has been changed, since the last version to the latest version, before the upgrade?
You do not provide any specific info about what exactly has been changed in new version, and you expect, that we will update without questioning?
Again with all due respect, but this is not acceptable for me any longer, seriously Opera’s developers, but lack of basic info about the changes can cause, that even the archangel may be upset 😉

Marcin Mitek

Whoa, slow down 🙂 This one was the small one, maybe “several important” was a bit of exaggeration.

L33t4opera

It’s ok Marcin 😉 I’m just a little tired, because, many times it was so, that the change log has not been published at all, or was published, but the link to it, hasn’t been attached in the contents of the post.

Marcin Mitek

What’s so mysterious about it? Maybe I can help you 🙂

L33t4opera

I can’t find the file on the ftp server, which would include “18.0.1284.57” in its name, if you are able to find it, and give me the link to it, I will be very grateful and the mistery is no longer a mistery 😉

Marcin Mitek

Mystery solved, .57 was later released as .63 Changelog requires some cleanup 🙂

The one about wykop.pl was the original issue, we didn’t change the summary.

DNA-12725 wykop.pl link crashes renderer in Opera master

L33t4opera

Ok, thanks again, much appreciated, and by the way: could you please, change/fix also the id number here: “18.0.1284.63”, thanks in advance 😉

icetom

html5 videos still not working here and in 20dev, Apple HD trailers still not working (I reported 4 months ago). Why do you use Chromium when there is no h.264 support? It seems Google is fooling you as they said they will drop h.264 support in their browser but still, their Chrome can play the videos. Why dont you get a license from Microsoft or Apple? Also Cisco seems to have released a free binary for h.264

wikipedia says “The element was proposed by Opera Software in February 2007” – now it is sad that Opera browser cannot really use it to its full potential. It seems you are waiting for Google to take action.

Well the first rule of a real Stable version should be a browser with no Crashes by default and in the first place… and After all Crashes are fixed then we should name Opera the real Stable version…. no ? or better let release the stable version just to be only a real instable.. ? well it is better late than never… but the first rule should be no Crashes at all for a Stable version and without any questions for sure.

Marcin Mitek

Not sure what is your point. There are two crashes listed in the changelog, is that too many?. There is nothing like “testing is done” or “this is bug free” in software development, especially when it comes to quite complex piece of code the browser is. So yeah, crashes happen, even in stable versions.

Well for now we have only 2 fixed crashes that we know them but the ones that we do not know them ? Probably there are more for sure no ? But we could not find a more better way to avoid them ? Or to at least to isolate or to separate them from making all the browser to crash ? An example will be how Flash Player crash it only need to restart Flash Player element only to work again and not to restart the entire browser….
If we find a better way to avoid the Crashes then we will have a real stable version. I for now I have always see Crashes on the Chrome engine in all there versions… But if we could find and fix the crashes then we will be one step in front of all browsers that are crashing…

Marcin Mitek

Trust me, we do what we can to avoid as many crashes as possible. One of the crashes listed here never made it to public build. We have our own tools and good practices to avoid as many of them as possible, for example – we keep Next branch for 6 weeks (more or less). This is enough time to mitigate the risk of some nasty (and by nasty, I mean something bigger than those two listed in this changelog) crasher slipping through to the Final version. As for isolating – in Opera 15+ each tab is a different process, and it is probably a better solution than what we have in O12.

http://blogs.opera.com/desktop/2013/12/last-2013s-opera-developer/#comment-1167947066
Yes Opera is a real stable version just open a new tab and then Opera 18 will just crash if you will just close the last opened tab. A more easy crash like this I have never seen in all the Browser out there… so keep up the good work for nothing…. The Chrome engine the best engine fro the best crashes that you will never have seen before….

Marcin Mitek

I’ve seen easier crashes 😉

Serious mode on. Try to reproduce, report a bug with steps required for reproduction, your OS, etc. Post the DNA number here for reference. Fill up the email field so someone can contact you in case of troubles with reproducing it from our side. If you are able to reproduce it everytime you will be asked at some point to fill in a crash report. Use valid e-mail address there (you can post it here later) so I can find it in our crashlog tool and match it with other crashes or file the new one.

hmm I understand 🙂 but this minimum problem will necessitate to much work for nothing from my side and then to opera side. so I for now do not use so much opera…. plus I think this will be just be a waist of time because crashes will always reappear on the Chrome engine… like an infinite loop…. at least if they will not find a more better and faster way to fix all the crashes in there engine.

Thybak

I added DuckDuckGo between my search engines list. Why I can’t select it as my default search engine? It’s very painful to choose it in every search I do in the omnibar.

Dark Magician

Type the letter for that search engine like ”g” for google, than space and enter your search.

Well they could just make 2 search bars one that is default that you could not change it at all in the first place and the second you could change all you want and to be only user changeable only…. and to have the option to chose between 2 of them. But I think it will be to hard for Opera to do something with more intelligence inside no ? We have infinite possibility’s to do any thing if we really want no ? And this problems for me seems to be just to lite compared to other real Browser problems…

Leonardo Gomes

Answered dozens of times : that option will come back when rhey find the best way to avoid third part hijack.

Well for now they have started from 0 with the new Chrome Engine… if you want bookmarks from Opera use there old engine 12.16 version of Opera it is full features to much full features they say…

Jack O’Neill

Is there any hope that the old Opera 12 gestures come back? Especially opening links with the right mouse button.

stiankrosd

After i installed the newest update for opera 18, the memory usage hit the roof. When im going to start up opera from the last time i used it,
in the last update it took maybe ten min to get all tabs to show all they where suposed to. In this update after half an hour the tabs are still loading.

Alireza Aminian

Just a quick question, i noticed that after i update Opera, the folders for previous versions of Opera still exist in my Program Files folder. Do i just simply delete those folders which for older versions? Isn’t Opera supposed to do that after updating?

Leonardo Gomes

And Opera does it, but the last two (or three, don’t remember now) are kept for backup reasons.

Darkdeity9194

Thank you for finally fixing the youtube bug that made watching videos in high quality useless!

Hello, guys. I have some problem with this version. It worked stable, but at one day browser stoped open some web pages (page is not available or not found). I can to open only gmail.com . Other browsers (Firefox, IE, Safari, Chrome) work fine. Problem is not in firewall or antivirus. I don’t change anything in my Windows 8.1 properties, i only create several folders at my opera’s speed deal. What info do you need to fix it? 🙂

Operaro

I’m getting delays when closing tabs (not instantly closed).

Sumit Malwadkar

When bookmark functionality will be added? Please return all the functionality & customization of looks in 12.16. I love opera, I love this new build for performance & stability, but why removed bookmark, session saving, speed dial customization & appearance customization? In 12.16 I can add any button, move my address and tab bar to bottom, why I cant do this in this version?

UMaster 7

proxy usage for extension is only for Opera 19+, right?

Razvan Dragos

Why in Gmail the displaying of some buttons are white? And using another browser with Chromium technolofy this buttons are displayed coretcly? I atach 2 prints to to view exatcly what i wanna say.

“Later Edit: for some youtube videos in the first 3 seconds the next message is displayed: http://s27.postimg.org/sm1vzsb… This message does not appear for all videos.”

Confirmed! Also with 19 and 20 (Next/Dev) sometimes.

UMaster 7

(1) large flash games often make Opera 18 crash… 🙁

kongregate…

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(2) is there already an option to let Opera ask if you really want to close the Browser to avoid closing by accident?

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Win8.1×64

UMaster 7

continuing downloads from bong.tv doesn’t work (mp4 ~1GB)

Vux777

You should really publish stable build with bookmarks bar from latest Dev and Next.
This one (QAB in stable) is annoying (almost useless) with canceling folder menu on click, no continues opening folders with mouse move, not be able to open folder with MMC (multiple bookmarks)…
The one from dev and next is pretty good and stable

The Opera 19.0.1326.40 reached stable channel, enjoy 😉
Edit: Someone from the Opera has removed it, so maybe they want to postpone this for later, or it’s mistake?
Can I expect official statement, and clarification on that matter from the Opera, please?
By the way: Could you be so kind, and stop remove my post, please? I just asked for clarification…