This car is faster, after incrementally changing WR's now it is much faster.
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Pekka Salminen

09-02-2018, 15:59

The patch notes said that the LMP2 cars were given around 50 bhp more power. It should help multiclass racing with GTE cars.

blinkngone

09-02-2018, 17:10

The patch notes said that the LMP2 cars were given around 50 bhp more power. It should help multiclass racing with GTE cars.
Yeah I am showing around 518 and the Car Details are still showing 460 so it sounds reasonable to get the performance increase. However before the LMP2 Marek was about 0.550 seconds slower than the Ford GTE and now it's 0.957 faster so maybe the balance has swung too far the other way?
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Invincible

09-02-2018, 17:17

Don't complain. Now the LMP2 (all of them) can finally easily overtake the GTE cars which was an issue before the patch

blinkngone

09-02-2018, 17:48

Don't complain. Now the LMP2 (all of them) can finally easily overtake the GTE cars which was an issue before the patch
Not complaining, it was a question. I ran the Ligier JS P2 Honda.
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blinkngone

09-02-2018, 18:09

Ran the RWD LMP2, it's almost a second slower than the Ligier Honda but again much faster than the Marek LMP2. It seems as though the Marek has enough power to pull a higher gear but there is none available so it will be a significantly slower car in this class. Why would you choose a Marek?
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Invincible

09-02-2018, 18:11

Ran the RWD LMP2, it's almost a second slower than the Ligier Honda but again much faster than the Marek LMP2. It seems as though the Marek has enough power to pull a higher gear but there is none available so it will be a significantly slower car in this class. Why would you choose a Marek?
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Isn't there a longer gearing available in the setup?

blinkngone

09-02-2018, 18:16

Nope, here is the gearing I ran, I couldn't get it longer. Final Drive is locked, 6th(overdrive) is the longest I could adjust to. EDIT, it's the same as the Ligier overall gearing but it does have 20 horsepower less so maybe that is the reason it's slower? And the Marek, it has the longest gearing by far and isn't adjustable really so there is something else wrong with it? EDIT nevermind, it is the setup. 3rd spring was f'd up in Default, set to 0. Didn't change much yet but now it is closer to the JSP2 and it is the horsepower handicap that holds it back.
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Marek with 3rd spring adjustment.
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Bealdor

09-02-2018, 19:24

Did you have a chance to check the balance on a non ovel track?
LMP2 cars aren't really BoP'd for Super Speedways...

blinkngone

09-02-2018, 20:01

Did you have a chance to check the balance on a non ovel track?
LMP2 cars aren't really BoP'd for Super Speedways...

No sorry, Bealdor, I can only do Ovals. Down to one arm and one leg now. But I think everything is better after I adjusted the 3rd spring on the Marek, the cars are much closer now. Sorry I was confused. I have the Marek within 2 tenths of the JSP2 and considering it is down 20 horsepower that's pretty good. I'll work the setups more and see what the final balance is after more adjustments.

blinkngone

09-02-2018, 20:31

Ok, here is the Marek after some additional work, the Default 3rd spring settings were way off. If you compare the runs made previously with this car to now there is over 3 seconds improvement.
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VelvetTorpedo

09-02-2018, 20:38

OT but I hope the doctors can help you out, you were a great help on lots of courses in the Garage, and not have to suffer with it anymore.

It's pretty awesome that you were still able to figure out how to close the gap between the lmp2's for ovals

blinkngone

09-02-2018, 20:41

Here is the Ligier JSP2, yeah, maybe I could do better but it looks like the difference in horsepower pretty much is going to define these cars but it's not bad when you look at a comparison of the spread in GT3 performance so I think SMS did a good job here in balancing. I'll work on the RWD P20.
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Elmo

09-02-2018, 20:42

Just to clarify. The idea was not to make LMP2 and GTE perform on the same level.

The LMP2s have been given more power to make passes on the GTE cars easier.

So expect that all the LMP2 world records will be broken :)

Bealdor

09-02-2018, 20:52

No sorry, Bealdor, I can only do Ovals. Down to one arm and one leg now. But I think everything is better after I adjusted the 3rd spring on the Marek, the cars are much closer now. Sorry I was confused. I have the Marek within 2 tenths of the JSP2 and considering it is down 20 horsepower that's pretty good. I'll work the setups more and see what the final balance is after more adjustments.

Damn, that sounds really bad. Get well soon buddy.

blinkngone

09-02-2018, 21:48

RWD P20 LMP2, this one is kicking me. Different behavior to the Marek so far. Improved 4 tenths over previous PB but I am struggling.
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Fight-Test

09-02-2018, 21:51

I don't know if it's still the case on pcars 2 but the Marek had big advantage in fuel use. I could squeeze in 13 laps( with some lifting) at LeMans while the others were 11 laps but over a sec and half faster. But since most don't run longer distances you don't see the advantage by just using lap times. Might be totally different in pcars 2 but don't forget endurance cars have advantages and disadvantages based on other things besides pace. Fuel tank size, tire wear etc. That differ from car to car over longer stints.

blinkngone

09-02-2018, 22:01

I think I get it. There must be a huge difference between the RL 2017 LMP2 cars and the 2016 cars we have in the game. At LeMans the 2017 LMP2's were over 20 seconds quicker than the GTEPROs. I am assuming that the Ligier JS2P Honda will be quickest and the Judd and Nissan will be perform similar to the Marek. Does anyone have an idea if the P20 has too much weight forward? I have the weight all the way back and it still seems I am overweight on the front.

blinkngone

09-02-2018, 22:08

First attempts with the JS P2 Nissan, very close to the Marek.
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blinkngone

09-02-2018, 22:28

Judd.
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blinkngone

09-02-2018, 23:32

The RWD P20 is not responding very well to my adjustments. I improved it slightly. When I looked up the results before Patch 4.0 it seems a lot of people were having issues with it, mostly slower than the Marek.
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blinkngone

11-02-2018, 17:23

I don't know if it's still the case on pcars 2 but the Marek had big advantage in fuel use. I could squeeze in 13 laps( with some lifting) at LeMans while the others were 11 laps but over a sec and half faster. But since most don't run longer distances you don't see the advantage by just using lap times. Might be totally different in pcars 2 but don't forget endurance cars have advantages and disadvantages based on other things besides pace. Fuel tank size, tire wear etc. That differ from car to car over longer stints.

Hi Flight-Test, I don't run the LMP2 cars but I noticed the that before the patch the Marek performed horribly compared to the Nissan and Honda Ligier cars. Over 10 seconds slower against the Nissan at Le Mans and 3 seconds at Brands for example. The Judd and Marek were closer. There are just a few of us running these cars at the Tri-Oval and so far we have the Nissan at 44.800, the Marek at 44.879 and the Judd at 44.939. It would seem that they might be able to get closer on the road courses but like you said, there are other factors. If you run the Nissan with the 3rd spring at 0 it only slows down by 0.090(the Judd slows by 3 tenths, the Honda 5 tenths) but if you run the Marek with the 3rd spring at 0 it slows down by 0.680 for some reason. It looks like the LMP2's are divided into 2 groups, Honda vs. Nissan and Judd vs Marek.