Posted Jun-6-2012 By

Bawbag

Posted Jun-6-2012 By

gosst60

@gosst60 yep and now replaced by the F/A-18F superhornets even though many wanted the F-22 but at the end of the day they were to expensive and were not ideal for ground support. The sad part is the F-35 is turning into a 3 legged dog so we may get F-22's anyway.

Posted Jun-6-2012 By

gosst60

@Penguinister Australia basically got majorly screwed over the F35., and had to buy Super Hornets because of lack of life in the Hornet airframes. They were expecting F35s in 2012 or 2014 LATEST, and I doubt any one will see them before 2020.

Total cock up. Not AUS fault though,. and the UK in a similar predicament, with a pair of state of the art carriers coming online with nothing to fly off them except Lynx and Merlin. Our perfectly good Harriers flogged of to the US for parts for their AV8sMore...

A lowdown stinking disgrace all round, but Im sure someone gets rich off the whole debacle.

Oh and if you want your pilots coughing up black goo when they dismount from their planes, by all means buy the F22 at 200 million + a copy xD (Im sure it will be fine in the end though, after 20 years development they cant be far off)Less..

Posted Jun-6-2012 By

DEADBEEF

@kingfordlm - the record of survival in F-111 crashes with ejections is mixed. It's a very complicated system in which the entire capsule containing the crew detaches, rockets up, then parachutes down and lands on airbags. It's amazing when it works (worked), but one thing going wrong meant death or serious injury.

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Posted Jun-6-2012 By

Ratiocinator

@Ratiocinator Im not a supporter of the wars in Iraq or Afghanistan, (they both seem quite pointless given the cost/reward equation) but I still appreciate that they do not deliberately target civilians.

The wars would have been over much more quickly if they had subjected those countries to a truly unrestricted aerial campaign believe me.

I think this 'humane' form of warfare that NATO indulges in these days is actually more cruel in the end, having the effect of drawing out conflicts that coMore..uld have ended in months, if the airforces were given carte blanche to deliver the true violence of NATO airpower on whoever had the misfortune to find themselves beneath it.

I kind of see where you are coming from, modern war is shit and brutal beyond anything before in history but do you honestly think an Air Marshall sits there in the mission briefing saying something like 'Today we bomb village X, there are many civilians there, and its your job today to wipe them out'...?Less..

Posted Jun-6-2012 By

gnark1ll

The wars are contrived. The reasons given for them are lies. The entire Middle East region has been devastated by depleted uranium (which is also killing the stupid troops carrying out their blind orders). Any enemy that exists does so as a result of years of manipulation and demonization by the west; any real enemy has been manufactured to be just that. However, most of what is regarded as real enemies is in fact intelligence agents playing a war of deception and manipulation. It's More..all a deadly theatre show; the real enemies are the scumfucks in suits in Washington, Israel, London, and other such places. If it smiles, shakes hands, salutes a flag, and wears a suit & tie it's your fucking deadly enemy.Less..