word is that some dumb ass "burners" have already broken 2 pieces of art, nearly completely, because they thought it was ok to CLIMB on the fucking things, even when people were pleading with them not to. what the hell is wrong with people?! THIS is why Burning Man is suffering... disrespectful fucktards who don't give a shit..makes me sick

After telling a bunch of fucks to stay put of our yard(s).. We remove the hinges and board the gate closed.. This morning one of the fuckwads climbs over the 6 foot board fence.. He had to go through two other peoples yards to jump into mine..

What art was destroyed? How devastating I have worked temple guardian almost every year I have gone. I thought there were Art guardians that worked with Artery? Is there not, if not I would be happy to help create some for 2012! TOTALLY FUCKED UP! FUCKING HIPPIES~!

It doesn't take alot of sense to stay off the artists creations. Selfish fucks not knowing how to read the situation, probably bummed a ride, brought a tent and a gallon of water, stealing bikes when they want, mouching food and drink, and crashing where and when they want. Not so much a hippie, but more of a non participating, non sharing, freeloading, destructive, burden. Worse thing is they don't think/notice that they've done anything wrong.

If only they didn't ban firearms then we could have armed guards watching over the pieces. I heard of 2 CORE projects that collapsed and had to be re-built.

Though I will say, that if your art projects looks climbable, then you should anticipate people climbing it and build accordingly. And if it doesn't, and some fucktard does climb it and ruins it, then they should be staked to the open playa with a sign next to them stating they are a new porto design. It'll be one way to stay hydrated while enjoying the clouds.

Oh look! that one looks like a kitty!

Excuse me Ma'am, your going to feel a small prick._______________________________________

What are you thinking!?!!?! You ass wipes!! That art isnt interactive - dont go near it!! Oh.. wait...

Hey you asshat!!! Don't climb on that enormous pice of art that looks like it was built to climb on!!! Crap.. wait...

While I do understand issue with people disregarding the wishes of an artist, I do wonder about who is it that is truly behind the power curve on this one...

Holy shit!!! You asshole!!! Don't burn that man!!!! Damn.. wait...

If it isn't supposed to be climbed on, I certainly hope signs were posted.. if not.. chill... if so - then a cattle prod would be appropriate. However, it is Burning Man and art is for the community - or am I missing something? Isn't the idea behind the concept of the burn the immediacy of the art? That once is is out of the artist's system that it is time to move onto the next project? I have a plan for a large piece next year... Once it is complete and installed on playa, it is dead. Used up. It will be burned or carted off...

Maybe I am just an asshat that doesn't understand... and for that I humbly apologize.

hookahdude wrote:Ok.. At first I thought this was a joke.. Stay off the art..

What are you thinking!?!!?! You ass wipes!! That art isnt interactive - dont go near it!! Oh.. wait...

Hey you asshat!!! Don't climb on that enormous pice of art that looks like it was built to climb on!!! Crap.. wait...

While I do understand issue with people disregarding the wishes of an artist, I do wonder about who is it that is truly behind the power curve on this one...

Holy shit!!! You asshole!!! Don't burn that man!!!! Damn.. wait...

If it isn't supposed to be climbed on, I certainly hope signs were posted.. if not.. chill... if so - then a cattle prod would be appropriate. However, it is Burning Man and art is for the community - or am I missing something? Isn't the idea behind the concept of the burn the immediacy of the art? That once is is out of the artist's system that it is time to move onto the next project? I have a plan for a large piece next year... Once it is complete and installed on playa, it is dead. Used up. It will be burned or carted off...

Maybe I am just an asshat that doesn't understand... and for that I humbly apologize.

Unfortunately, one of the elements that artists need to ruggedize their pieces for on the playa is humanity. It's easily as destructive as the alkali dust or high winds.

Back in 2007 my girlfriend and I spent the entire spring and summer working to mutate and transform our cargo van into a 30 foot inter-dimensional cruiser. We battled the costs, design challenges, terrible weather conditions, and some painful red tape issues at the DMV, and finally got The Great Abyss approved and onto the playa on Wednesday night. However, on Thursday morning some otherwise wonderful people decided that leaning and hanging on the fragile frameworkof the wings (made of EMT conduit and fittings covered with fabric) would be the best way to spend their morning. That put just enough of a bend in the wing that when Thursday's rager of a dust storm kicked up, the wing took on the properties of a sail and was wrenched 40 degrees in an unintended direction. Heartbreaking doesn't even begin to describe how it felt, we spent the rest of the week trying to make things right. Lesson learned.

hookahdude wrote:Ok.. At first I thought this was a joke.. Stay off the art..

What are you thinking!?!!?! You ass wipes!! That art isnt interactive - dont go near it!! Oh.. wait...

Hey you asshat!!! Don't climb on that enormous pice of art that looks like it was built to climb on!!! Crap.. wait...

While I do understand issue with people disregarding the wishes of an artist, I do wonder about who is it that is truly behind the power curve on this one...

Holy shit!!! You asshole!!! Don't burn that man!!!! Damn.. wait...

If it isn't supposed to be climbed on, I certainly hope signs were posted.. if not.. chill... if so - then a cattle prod would be appropriate. However, it is Burning Man and art is for the community - or am I missing something? Isn't the idea behind the concept of the burn the immediacy of the art? That once is is out of the artist's system that it is time to move onto the next project? I have a plan for a large piece next year... Once it is complete and installed on playa, it is dead. Used up. It will be burned or carted off...

Maybe I am just an asshat that doesn't understand... and for that I humbly apologize.

So, You think that buying a ticket to burning man and the art there is just going to be destroyed in the end.. Your ticket gives you the right to act out your subhuman asshole self to destroy art work at will? Before other have had a chance to view it? I think people have been been mating with monkeys more recent than we know.. Suggest you check your linage..

hookahdude wrote:Ok.. At first . . .Maybe I am just an asshat that doesn't understand... and for that I humbly apologize.

So, You think that buying a ticket to burning man and the art there is just going to be destroyed in the end.. Your ticket gives you the right to act out your subhuman asshole self to destroy art work at will? Before other have had a chance to view it? I think people have been been mating with monkeys more recent than we know.. Suggest you check your linage..

We're not saying attendees have the right to be vandals but if something looks climbable people will climb it. Tragically this means the downfall of art pieces that can not withstand the stress. It is not the artist's fault that somebody broke their creation but taking the context of their installation into account may make for fewer failures. While we all want to go big, I would rather make a smaller piece I can afford to fortify than one that will be a pile of ruble by the wednesday flood.

theCryptofishist wrote:Then there is the fact that signs don't stop a lot of the asshats...

Very true Fishy! Which is why I specified that if there were signs, then the people who climbed on shit were cattle prod worthy. Never intended to give the impression otherwise. If people insist on being morons, then we can only hope that they are weeded out - via survival or the fittest, etc.

unjonharley wrote:So, You think that buying a ticket to burning man and the art there is just going to be destroyed in the end.. Your ticket gives you the right to act out your subhuman asshole self to destroy art work at will? Before other have had a chance to view it? I think people have been been mating with monkeys more recent than we know.. Suggest you check your linage..

Wow. Nice vitriol.

Pretty sure I didn't say that I think it gives me free reign and I am also pretty sure I stated that if the art is identified with a sign that says "Don't Climb" that the people who do are cattle prod worthy. I am also pretty sure that I said nothing about feeling free to destroy artwork at will - neither before or after people have seen it. Feel free to insult my lineage (proper spelling) because if that is how you feel you must react to someone who presents an idea or concept different from what you think or believe, then there is nothing I can do or say to change that, nor would I be arrogant enough to attempt. Not sure if it is a chip on your shoulder or just a genreal character trait.

The point of my post, though it seems lost on you, is that "Stay off the fucking art" seems to be a fairly sweeping statement for an interactive art festival. If the comment was "Respect the fucking art" I would have been "Hell yeah! respect the art and artist you asshats!!" But it wasn't. For the dumbass who caused the "COG" to be cordoned off by falling from it, cattle prod. For anyone who damaged art - cattle prod. People who feel the need to be blatantly stupid should be held accountable - period.

I will leave you with my favorite quote from about any movie I have ever seen - "You are in more dire need of a blowjob than any white man in history."

Your bike: Don't want it borrowed? lock it up, or at least don't leave it alone in the deep playa.Your camp: Don't want it walked through? Don't have paths through your camp.Your Beer: Don't want to share it? Don't leave it sitting on a table unattended at the front end of your camp.Your art: Don't want it climbed? Make it impossible to climb, have a crew guarding it, or don't bring it.

I'm not saying that it's right or wrong, but that's the way it is.

I climb all kinds of shit out there, and it's one of my favorite things about the event. This thread is oblivious enough that I half wonder if it's trollin'.

ZaphodBurner wrote:The difference between buying a ticket from a scalper and prostituting yourself for one is, if you suck dick for a ticket and brag about it, burners will still respect you.

A Jester wrote:Your bike: Don't want it borrowed? lock it up, or at least don't leave it alone in the deep playa.Your camp: Don't want it walked through? Don't have paths through your camp.Your Beer: Don't want to share it? Don't leave it sitting on a table unattended at the front end of your camp.Your art: Don't want it climbed? Make it impossible to climb, have a crew guarding it, or don't bring it.

I'm not saying that it's right or wrong, but that's the way it is.

I climb all kinds of shit out there, and it's one of my favorite things about the event. This thread is oblivious enough that I half wonder if it's trollin'.

So hope your not to surprised if I hot shot your smart ass.. And clam it's my way of enjoying "my" burn..

It looked like it could be climbed and it was designed to be climbed. I designed the central platform. I'm no architect and I made some mistakes, so you could probably stack 4 cars on top of it before it would start to think about collapsing. My design goal was simply that the entire top platform could be packed with a crowd of people — most of the overengineering was that the concentrated pressure at the bottom of the posts would sink into the Playa.

So unlike an art gallery where everything is "do not touch", Burning Man is entirely the opposite. I understand how disheartened things can be when they go wrong, and how it can seem like a personal attack. I mean, my Bike With 2 Brains suffered a complete frame failure (it snapped in half in two places) when I was assembling it at Burning Man so I had to figure out a way to weld it. If that frame failure had happened out-of-sight at the hand of unknown strangers, I would probably blame them, but the result would have been the same.

In other words, making art for Burning Man is as much about durability as it is about appearance. I consider that just one of the design elements to consider.

A Jester wrote:Your bike: Don't want it borrowed? lock it up, or at least don't leave it alone in the deep playa.Your camp: Don't want it walked through? Don't have paths through your camp.Your Beer: Don't want to share it? Don't leave it sitting on a table unattended at the front end of your camp.Your art: Don't want it climbed? Make it impossible to climb, have a crew guarding it, or don't bring it.

I'm not saying that it's right or wrong, but that's the way it is.

I climb all kinds of shit out there, and it's one of my favorite things about the event. This thread is oblivious enough that I half wonder if it's trollin'.

So hope your not to surprised if I hot shot your smart ass.. And clam it's my way of enjoying "my" burn..

A Jester wrote:Your bike: Don't want it borrowed? lock it up, or at least don't leave it alone in the deep playa.Your camp: Don't want it walked through? Don't have paths through your camp.Your Beer: Don't want to share it? Don't leave it sitting on a table unattended at the front end of your camp.Your art: Don't want it climbed? Make it impossible to climb, have a crew guarding it, or don't bring it.

I'm not saying that it's right or wrong, but that's the way it is.

I climb all kinds of shit out there, and it's one of my favorite things about the event. This thread is oblivious enough that I half wonder if it's trollin'.

So hope your not to surprised if I hot shot your smart ass.. And clam it's my way of enjoying "my" burn..

I'm not exactly sure what a hot shot is, why is would be *my* "not to surprised", or why you would bring a clam to the desert, so I don't have a lot of response to that. Though, if I have a sign that says, "please hot shot my smart ass" I'd pretty much expect you to do that, clam and all.

ZaphodBurner wrote:The difference between buying a ticket from a scalper and prostituting yourself for one is, if you suck dick for a ticket and brag about it, burners will still respect you.

Used to be that folks did all kinds of nasty things to the "art" including incinerating it on Saturday night. Far as Im concerned -the last thing I want to see in the desert is a dusty museum with velvet ropes - a dusty hotty in velvet ropes however...

You should always plan that people will try and climb your art, even if you don't want them to, especially if it is easy to climb like the female-shaped sculpture this year. The playa is no place for delicate structures and you should assume that people there have the responsibility judgment of a 4-year-old. Put steep edges on your stuff, or barbed wire if you must. If that's not possible, put a sign on it telling people not to climb if you're worried about liability.

"The essence of tyranny is not iron law. It is capricious law." -- Christopher Hitchens

In 2010 the creators of Spire of Fire used an electric fence to keep people from climbing the structure. I observed another interesting approach to proctecting art in 2006. In Center Camp were two of Das Man's figures, Leaping Giants. When people started chaining their bicycles to the figures, contrary to the signs asking them not to, Das Man took security to another level. He brought out his wire feed and welded the bikes to the figures. Priceless!!!!

Those who think they can and those who think they can't are both right.