Nigel Stephenson next to Stevo. Jeff Grayshon in the back row next to, I think, Harry Beverley.

Crown Flatt was a great ground to go and watch a game.

Why did all the old grounds look better and more atmospheric than the new ones?IMO

but you and I weve been through that and this is not our fate.
So let us so let us not talk falsely now.
The hour is getting late
FROM 2004,TO DO WHAT THIS CLUB HAS DONE,IF THATS NOT GREATNESSTHEN i DONT KNOW WHAT IS.

Why did all the old grounds look better and more atmospheric than the new ones?IMO

The one time I went to Crown Flatt it was after the main stand had burnt down, and there wasn't a stick of cover in the place, and a nasty cold wind blowing. My mate had forgot his gloves, stuck his hands in his pockets and said he was only clapping for tries. Pity we ran in about ten.

The one time I went to Crown Flatt it was after the main stand had burnt down, and there wasn't a stick of cover in thie place, and a nasty cold wind blowing. My mate had forgot his gloves, stuck his hands in his pockets and said he was only clapping for tries. Pity we ran in about ten.

That league Championship league win ( and dosn't that league championship trophy put the SL trash can to shame) has to be the greatest upset in the history of British Rugby League. Challenge cup wins are great but this was a much more sustained win. I think they were 8th in the final table, which, by itself was a great achievment, and then they won the playoffs and beat Leeds no less in the final at Odsal I was there and it was a great day. Contrast that with Leeds recent win from 5th, this was comparable with Wakefield winning this last season from 8th.

Such victories are great sustenance to us dreamers and supporters of no hope CC clubs.

That league Championship league win ( and dosn't that league championship trophy put the SL trash can to shame) has to be the greatest upset in the history of British Rugby League. Challenge cup wins are great but this was a much more sustained win. I think they were 8th in the final table, which, by itself was a great achievment, and then they won the playoffs and beat Leeds no less in the final at Odsal I was there and it was a great day. Contrast that with Leeds recent win from 5th, this was comparable with Wakefield winning this last season from 8th.

Such victories are great sustenance to us dreamers and supporters of no hope CC clubs.

yet imagine the furore of a team winning the championship frim 8th nowadays.

That league Championship league win ( and dosn't that league championship trophy put the SL trash can to shame) has to be the greatest upset in the history of British Rugby League. Challenge cup wins are great but this was a much more sustained win. I think they were 8th in the final table, which, by itself was a great achievment, and then they won the playoffs and beat Leeds no less in the final at Odsal I was there and it was a great day. Contrast that with Leeds recent win from 5th, this was comparable with Wakefield winning this last season from 8th.

Such victories are great sustenance to us dreamers and supporters of no hope CC clubs.

Yes I remember it too Stevo was great

but you and I weve been through that and this is not our fate.
So let us so let us not talk falsely now.
The hour is getting late
FROM 2004,TO DO WHAT THIS CLUB HAS DONE,IF THATS NOT GREATNESSTHEN i DONT KNOW WHAT IS.

It was controversial then, and of course led directly to the finish-top=champions system which was introduced the following year.

I think it's fair to say the top-8 system never had the cachet, or the crowd drawing power, of the old top-4 system. It took a long time for the Premiership/GrandFinal to recover the lost ground and give us two showpiece games a year again.

On a related note, does anybody have a definitive answer as to why the two division format used from 1962 to 1964 was abandoned so quickly, or indeed why it was introduced in the first place?

I think it's fair to say the top-8 system never had the cachet, or the crowd drawing power, of the old top-4 system. It took a long time for the Premiership/GrandFinal to recover the lost ground and give us two showpiece games a year again.

On a related note, does anybody have a definitive answer as to why the two division format used from 1962 to 1964 was abandoned so quickly, or indeed why it was introduced in the first place?

I remember those two seasons very well. Keighley came second to Hunslet that year and won promotion. The only home loss was to Rochdale for whom Joe Levula scored the winning try. This was the first inkling of the potential of the Pacific islanders as RL stars.

Swinton were the 1st Division winners in both seasons. One of the years they had the worst winter for as century or something similar and hundreds of fixtures were postponed giving a huge backlog.

From memory, I think the Division 2 clubs lost the big attendances they used to get under the old system with visits from all the big boys in their county every season and the winner takes all nature of the 1st division meant the loss of the very lucrative top championship final and semi finals playoffs.

I don't remember exactly why they discontinued it but those facts were part of it.