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You don't need a shadow in South Australia, Victoria or NSW (Not sure about ACT or Tasmania, but who really cares?)

There are restrictions and rules.

Eg. In NSW cannot exceept 90kph and cannot ride between midnight and 5am.

In Victoria the learner must wear a hi-vis vest.

What are your thoughts on this system vs requiring a shadow in WA?

As you know I grew up over east but recently got my license in WA. Having never ridden a motorbike before I got my Ls I was more than happy to have shadows with me. I learnt alot of valuable tips from them and felt alot safer (albeit perhaps a purely psychological sense of security) having experienced riders with me.

It can be inconvenient needing to organise a shadow any time you want to jump on your bike, and there will be vastly different opinions, but I was glad to have shadows. Oh and for the record, I never once expected them to act an an instructor. They offered tips and advice but I still did paid lessons. It's all about being able to distinguish between good riding techniques and bad habits and using common sense

Since 2012, the fatal accident rate for motorcyclists (per 10,000 riders) in Vic and SA has been better or the same as WA. Roads in the eastern states are considerably more technical and in worse condition than WA.

It would be nice to have more Evidence based policies and procedures from Government, licensing and Policing, the L plate differences are probably a good thing to write to your politician about to reduce bureaucracy and make motorcycling in WA less elitist and more accessible.

It's also mind numbing that Transport, Policing and a few other bureaucracies aren't federally handled rather than every state having their own duplication of services which must be costing the country a staggering sum of money and lost opportunity compared with more efficiently governed countries.

In California if you fluke the theory you get a paper provisional license to drive around for 12 months before you have to sit the practical. No shadow, no L plates, no nothing. Who the hell couldn't figure out how to drive in 12 months. You would either become competent or get killed.

You don't need a shadow in South Australia, Victoria or NSW (Not sure about ACT or Tasmania, but who really cares?)

There are restrictions and rules.

Eg. In NSW cannot exceept 90kph and cannot ride between midnight and 5am.

In Victoria the learner must wear a hi-vis vest.

What are your thoughts on this system vs requiring a shadow in WA?

If I didn't need a shadow (or if I ignored the law) I would have had a lot more practice and become a competent rider much sooner. I lived a 5 minute ride away from the large empty parking lot that all bike instructors in my area use (Ocean Reef Marina) and all I wanted to do each day was get down there and try, fail, try again on my bike... I would have also probably got my license 15 years ago when money became the obstacle due to high cost of lessons. Earn $80 per week... lessons cost at least $50... go figure.

Maybe under 25's and/or people without a currently held car license need a shadow, but once you get a bit older and less impulsive and have been on the roads in a car for a few years, it's safe to say you're probably not as likely to go completely bat-shit-crazy on your bike L's than your younger self.

I think the current system is a preferable one from a safety point of view although the eastern states way would be likely to give more time on the roads Possibly a combination of the 2 with a 2 stage learning process whereby you need to do xx hours under instruction/supervision before being allowed to go by themselves but maybe restricted to 50kmh zones