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I was saddened to read about the death of murdered schoolgirl Sarah Payne’s dad, Michael at the relatively young age of 45.

Mind you, it quickly became obvious to me at the time of Sarah’s disappearance that her mother, Sara Payne – Michael’s wife at the time – was made of much stronger stuff than her husband and that he appeared to be a lot more reliant on her, than she was on him.

Therefore, I wasn’t in the least surprised when the couple split up just three years later… Not that I am having a pop at Michael in any way, shape or form.

Indeed, losing a young daughter is undoubtedly devastating for any parents, but losing a daughter, knowing that she had first been raped and tortured whilst frightened out of her mind… Well, I can’t even begin to comprehend how you live with something like that. Indeed, such torment must surely have played heavily on Michael & Sara’s minds everyday.

Moreover, as a man myself, I would imagine that he was plagued by needless feelings of guilt at not being there to protect his daughter when she most needed him. Worse still, he has had to live with the fact that the monster is still alive, whilst doubtlessly wanting to inflict extreme pain on the cunt yet frustrated in knowing that he cannot get near him.

I also note that Michael was sent to prison in 2011 for 16 months after attacking his brother, whilst drunk.

Course, like most MSM articles there is a lack of detail but going on what is supplied this would appear to be an extremely harsh sentence, giving mind to the fact that his brother tried to retract his statement along with Michael having to live with his inner demons and torment over his daughters death… Surely under the circumstances there was scope for leniency.

In the event, the Jon & Vangelis song; “Somehow I’ll find my way home“, will forever be associated with the death of little Sarah Payne, following the haunting piece of music being played at her funeral. However, the lyrics are also somewhat befitting to her fathers passing.

After nearly 15 years of torment, I truly hope that Michael is at least now in peace.

Michael Payne struggled with addiction for years after his daughter Sarah was abducted and murdered by paedophile Roy Whiting

The father of murdered schoolgirl Sarah Payne has died at the age of 45.

Michael Payne was found dead at his home in Maidstone, Kent. He had spent years battling alcohol addiction following his daughter’s tragic murder in 2000.

Eight-year-old Sarah was abducted by paedophile Roy Whiting as she played in a field outside her grandparents’ rural home in Kingston Gorse, West Sussex in July 2000.

Appeal: Michael and his wife Sara at an appeal after their little girl was snatched in July 2000

Her brutal death remains one of Britain’s highest profile child murders and led to the introduction of Sarah’s Law following a lengthy campaign by her mother.

Whiting was jailed for life in 2011 and is held at HMP Wakefield, dubbed the Monster Mansion due to the number of high risk sex offenders imprisoned there.

Whiting had previously been convicted of abducting and indecently assaulting an young girl before Sarah’s murder.

Three years after Sarah’s murder, her father admitted his marriage had collapsed after he and his wife Sara struggled with their grief as the loss of their beloved daughter tore apart their 18-year marriage.

PA

Tragic: Michael and Sara split up after they lost their daughter

His ex-wife Sara Payne tweeted a link to a report of her former husband’s death.

As news of his death was made public, condolences started pouring in on the social networking site.

Twitter user Abby Kildunne @Abby_7 said: “Wow, sad news about Michael Payne. Years of being unable to cope with the loss of a child has literally destroyed him.”

Struggle: Michael battled with alcohol addiction

In December 2011, Michael was jailed for 16 months for attacking his brother in an booze fuelled rage.

He glassed Stephen Payne on the back of the head, arm and hand after both men had drunk a large amount of alcohol, though his brother pleaded for the unlawful wounding charges to be dropped and issued a retraction statement to the judge.

Sentencing Payne, Judge Jeremy Carey said he had the “deepest sympathy” for the loss of his daughter but the offence warranted a jail sentence – even though his brother had tried to retract his statement to police.

Sarah’s Law allows concerned parents or grandparents to contact police to find out if someone who has contact with a child has a history of child sex offending.

Michael Payne’s children paid tribute to him following his tragic death.

Son Lee, 27, a personal trainer from Walton-on-Thames, Surrey, wrote on his public Facebook page: “Dad, you had your demons and troubles but you had a good heart and was a decent man! I hope you have found peace at last! RIP, you will be missed. We are all heartbroken.”

Daughter Charlotte, 19, of Hersham wrote on Facebook: “Heartbroken to say the least, no matter what happened and how many mistakes we all made. You will always be my Daddy.”

It is understood that police are not treating Michael’s death as suspicious.

He is believed to have lived alone in his first-floor flat in Maidstone, Kent.

A neighbour said: “The police were concerned for his welfare and forced their way in to his flat a few days ago.”

117 Comments

The animal that did this didn’t just murder Sarah, he destroyed the whole family… Only the hangman’s noose is fit for him…

THECRUISEROctober 30, 2014 @ 7:20 am

Very respectful Chris. The poor man must surely have been tormented to the end.

LesleyOctober 30, 2014 @ 7:48 am

Oh, That was a wonderful post. I didn’t know the story. What a mess that judge made of things. May we all be safe soon.

delOctober 30, 2014 @ 8:57 am

Great post, RIP Michael.

raine1October 30, 2014 @ 9:58 am

Rest in peace Michael. The song by Jon and Vangelis ‘I’ll find my way home’ is a personal favourite of mine……………you are with your beloved daughter Michael…….you have found your way home, lorraine, xxx

SteveOctober 30, 2014 @ 10:03 am

Spoken like a real dad. Very respectful post. No one can really know the hell the murderer put the whole family through.

fuck the stateOctober 30, 2014 @ 10:10 am

Had a bit much to cope with in his life didn’t he. Nice to see he got the full sympathy of “The State” and all of those others who allow us to be told what is acceptable as they pursued their business interests. The support from such self serving institutions must have been overwhelming for him.

moosterOctober 30, 2014 @ 10:17 am

that poor poor family,

MarkOctober 30, 2014 @ 10:26 am

Rest in peace Michael and the judge Jeremy Carey was obviously a heartless cunt for sending him to prison. Good article Chris even though it is very sad.

Sara is in a new relationship now, and last time I looked, was having a baby,I don’t know if she’s given birth yet! I really hope that this child brings some happiness into her life, she deserves to have happiness after what her and her family have been through! I genuinely believe Whiting was set up by others to take the fall for the death of that poor little kid, probably by highly placed masonic members! He’s no angel, anyone can see that, but then with his previous history, he was the perfect patsy to hang this vile crime on! Her drawing has always made me feel unsettled to start with, a little girl having the insight at that very young age to be drawing pics that are so masonic in their content, what’s all that about?
And what about the reports about that lady on a motorway services up North saying she saw a little girl answering the child’s description crying in the toilets the night after she went missing!
I quite often wonder if Savile was somehow connected to this outrage too?, his grimey little paws were everywhere, and it makes me wonder, and where were the Philpotts at this period in time?

Question EverthingOctober 30, 2014 @ 12:16 pm

@ nailtown slim. is there more to this?

In July 2011 it was revealed that Sara Payne had been among those targeted in the News International phone hacking scandal.[39] Payne refused to believe it, since they had been so helpful in championing Sarah’s Law. She even wrote an editorial in the newspaper’s final edition. Investigators initially thought she was not hacked because her name did not come up in records. However, personal details relating to her were found that were attributed to another suspected victim. Sara’s phone that was hacked was gifted to her by the News of the World’s editor at the time of the murder, Rebekah Brooks.

hmmmmmmmmmmm Rebekah brooks eh? tc Trish.

nailtown slimOctober 30, 2014 @ 4:14 pm

Q E,
in my mind at least, everything fell into place too neatly with Whiting, every little bit of the puzzle fitted tightly and I thought at the time are they fitting him up, or is some other group fitting him up? The area she was found in for instance is part of a ley line grid, and if I remember correctly, I think the area had already been ‘searched’ by the police. And not too far away is a weird area outside Worthing called ‘Clapham Woods’ where people have reported strange rituals, dogs have gone missing, or been found dead, all sorts of weird shit goes on in that area! Locals say it’s a group called ‘The friends of Hecate’ that do all these things, I wonder if it’s more a masonic cover myself! Google ‘Friends of Hecate’ or ‘Clapham Woods’ Or even ‘Chanctonbury Ring’ another strange area near to Clapham woods, I won’t spoil it for you, but you’ll be surprised by the results, and the people who have gone missing in that area too!

johnrOctober 30, 2014 @ 5:10 pm

read an article about the soham murders..it mentioned about whiting..hinted at doubt about his conviction.
v.sad about the father.

Question EverthingOctober 30, 2014 @ 9:41 pm

@ nailtown slim. Thanx, I will certainly take a look, because as we find out, not just on this site but many other sites too, of reports about all sorts, it pays to keep an open mind, tc Trish.

louiseOctober 31, 2014 @ 3:42 pm

Hi nailtown slim-If the plod squad were doing their job properly they’d take these reports seriously and catch the demented bastards-Then again wouldn’t surprise me if some of them were the ones participating in these sick perverted practices…Expect those dogs were someone’s beloved pets-hope they roast in hell the lot of them….TC Louise xx

raine1October 31, 2014 @ 1:56 pm

nailtown slim ‘wonder if savile was connected…..’

Hiya Nailtown slim. I am convinced that savile was part and parcel of many of Britain’s most horrific crimes over the years, such as the Yorkshire ripper murders in which Peter Sutcliffe was ‘thrown under the bus’ so to speak. If you google: Ellis c. Taylor and the Sarah Payne murder you will discover a huge amount of freemason-satanic symbolism in this little girl’s murder. I must be clear on this: Unlike the McScams, Sarah’s parents were as much the victim’s of this monstrous crime as their beautiful daughter was. The despicable Mr. and Mrs. McScam were very much IN on their daughter’s ‘disappearance’ in Portugal, of that I am convinced. When you look at pictures of Michael and Sara Payne after their daughter’s murder, their grief is almost palpable….unbearable and heartbreaking to see; unlike Mr. McScam who was out playing tennis several days after little Maddie ‘went missing’ and Mrs. McScam who wore co-ordinated outfits and matching ear-rings every day to greet her ‘press and public.’ Pair of cunts. lorraine

ps. Memo to the McScams. There is no point in suing me ‘cos I don’t have a pot to piss in and going to prison would not shut me up either.

louiseOctober 31, 2014 @ 3:34 pm

Bravo Lorraine-Spot on……..TC Louise xx

DiverseNovember 4, 2014 @ 4:46 pm

Hi Lorraine, Catching up with all the writing from Chris I was now reading this page. I immediately thought about this, too. I read Elliot’s article quite some time ago and thought it very convincing. Here’s the link:
http: //ellisctaylor.homestead.com/SARAHSPAINTING.html

Question EverthingOctober 30, 2014 @ 11:01 am

No-one could ever imagine [unless they are cruelly put into that situation] just what this poor family has had to endure.

R I P Michael and join your little Angel Sara, in peace x

melaniefOctober 30, 2014 @ 11:04 am

Sad news indeed my thoughts are with the family who have already suffered intolerable pain I hope they find some peace x

Danny MalpasOctober 30, 2014 @ 11:49 am

I have a feeling there is more to this

VelmaNovember 8, 2014 @ 10:50 am

Whiting was a patsy. Another in a long line of convenient stitch-ups and trial by media… Huntley, Bridger, Hazell…?

This poor family man, struggling alone with his grief. Using booze to self-medicate away the pain, becoming, over time that must have lost all meaning to him, the victim of that deadly poison mix – alcohol and grief – which rots you away from the inside…

If someone wants to destroy themselves it is very hard to stop them. Often those closest to this victim have to leave – for their own sanity and well-being. The surviving ex-wife and children know this, unfortunatley. The brother too, and all the family. My sincerest condolences to them all.

That a judge chose to ‘treat’ Michael to a prison environment is frankly monstrous, when clearly some sort of sustained grief counciling was needed. This was no ordinary incident but a case of National importance, so much so that a new Law was brought into being.

So easy too, for the press to simply play lip service to the blame culture, a ‘battle with the booze’ – when the reality of what this whole family have been through is, as Chris says, unimaginable. None of us knows how strong, or weak, we really are until we meet that sort of fate. What happened to Michael, what happened to his wife might be any one of us. Be vigilant, always.

The story is in bleak contrast to how authority chose to deal with the ‘Scams – but with deepest sympathy and respect for Michael’s friends and family still dealing with their sad news, no more of them today.

Ann OnymouseOctober 30, 2014 @ 4:51 pm

“That a judge chose to ‘treat’ Michael to a prison environment is frankly monstrous, when clearly some sort of sustained grief counciling was needed. This was no ordinary incident but a case of National importance, so much so that a new Law was brought into being.” This poor man, his whole family suffer(ed) from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, and the “solution” is to to put him in prison…only if you have sh*t for brains and NO compassion! May The Creator bless his soul and that of his child. Everyone give an extra kiss today to those you know and love…

OhTheGoatsOctober 31, 2014 @ 5:40 pm

Michael Payne got a prison sentence instead of help to cope with his grief and anger, despite pleas from his brother. A paedophile with indecent images of children and animals on his computer gets a non-custodial sentence.

“…Judge who let father-of-two caught with nearly 2,000 indecent images of children walk free after telling him ‘you are not a paedophile.’

The judiciary in this country are not fit for purpose. Their corrupt and selfish incestuous ‘system’ has done away with Magna Carta.
Under the extenuating circumstances, had Michael been tried by his fellow men has proscribed by Magna Carta, he would have been helped, not imprisoned.

Keith ThomasOctober 30, 2014 @ 12:16 pm

Bless you Michael your pain and suffering is over now at last. RIP.

louiseOctober 30, 2014 @ 12:39 pm

Hope Michael’s poor tormented soul can now find solace where he’ll be reunited with his beautiful Sarah xxxx -Wonder how Sara’s coping with the news? As this tragedy also took it’s toll on her with her tireless campaign to introduce’ Sarah’s Law’ which seen up to 700 Paedophiles identified [ to which she suffered a serious stroke in 2009 brought on by a brain aneurysm].This family’s been to hell and back-i sure hope Michael has found his way home…may he Rest in Peace……xxxxxx

raine1October 30, 2014 @ 2:56 pm

Hi Louise. As you pointed out, Sara Payne and her close friend Shy Keenan (herself a survivor of horrifying abuse) have campaigned tirelessly for the rights of children to be protected against those monsters who violate them. Did you know that Shy Keenan also suffered a terrible tragedy several years ago when her Son committed suicide? I think it was just after Sara Payne had suffered the stroke that almost killed her. Makes you wonder if the freemason-paedo-satanists did a bit of their ‘dark arts’ on these two remarkable and courageous Women doesn’t it? tc mate, lorraine, xx

louiseOctober 30, 2014 @ 4:59 pm

Hi Lorraine-hope you’re ok-Yes there’s definitely something suspicious with these tragedies these women have endured throughout the years-Coincidence? no don’t think so it’s to obvious…….TC Louise xx

Keith ThomasOctober 30, 2014 @ 1:13 pm

My dog ! the grief on this couple’s face’s is almost to much for me to bear.
A message to the McCanns, Rigby’s, Sandy Hook fakers, Boston bombing fakers, beheading fakers and many many other’s to many to mention, YOU make a mockery of this poor couples grief and distress DAMN YOU ! DAMN YOU ! DAMN YOU may you rot in hell.
Can’t write any more am too upset.

Glen COctober 30, 2014 @ 1:51 pm

Couldn’t have put it better myself Keith….those scum have no morals and no conscience and will never know the pain of true grief as the Payne family did.
Sleep tight Michael and may Sarah be waiting to hold you in her arms. My thoughts are with the rest of the Payne family.

It makes my flesh creep every time I’m listening to this song ,very moving and joyful in its sound

Always summatOctober 30, 2014 @ 2:23 pm

Me too. Very powerful, and especially tingly where he starts to sing: “Your friend is close by your side..”.

MaureenOctober 30, 2014 @ 3:57 pm

The first photograph says it all! That’s how people look when they have lost a child not like Lee Rigby’s lot!

nailtown slimOctober 30, 2014 @ 5:49 pm

Very true indeed, whatever the Rigby’s try to bullshit us with won’t wash, that pic is a true and genuine family suffering a real loss!

BabsOctober 30, 2014 @ 4:19 pm

RIP Michael you have gone to a far better place xxx

MoOctober 30, 2014 @ 4:25 pm

Aw, bless that poor tortured man .. the hurt and grief was forever etched into every deep line on his face and his puffed eyes mirrored the agony in his soul .. for any judge to sentence Michael Payne to 16 months, for what was a family assault, is disrespecting what happened to Sarah, imo .. it’s only as we grow older we understand the meaning of “s/he is in a better place” ..
I hope the first thing he saw when he shut his eyes and took his last breath, at the young age of 45, was the face of his darling daughter waiting to embrace him ..

Very sad news. May you be with your sweet angel baby and rest in peace. xxx

Anyone in the Northeast could you please got to the forum section for the area and sign a petition , they are bringing UCG to the area. It will be devastating to our lives and land.
Sorry for putting this here , i didn’t know where to put it to raise awareness.

TheMancOctober 30, 2014 @ 5:24 pm

Heartbreaking, hope the poor man has gone to a better place. This is broken Britain where rapists and paedophiles run free and decent people like Chris and his family pay the price for speaking the truth.

So true theManc really is sad, only 45 all because of a vile sub human, it makes you feel down,hope he’s in a better placex

twinkiedooterOctober 30, 2014 @ 7:29 pm

No matter what this man did he could never be free of the horrors of what happened to his daughter. No child deserves to be raped and then murdered. The paedos ALL need to be given the death penalty period for their crimes. Maybe THAT would deter them(?) from doing this(?) to innocent children. The law must be changed to protect the children. They cannot be constantly be left free to do this again and again with NO consequences to them. The rich, famous, etc should NOT be immune to punishment unlike the way they are treated now.

twinkiedooterOctober 30, 2014 @ 7:31 pm

Death penalty by hanging OR imprisoned for LIFE with no parole. Get them off the streets once and for all. Build more prisons just for them. It would be well worth the money spent. Stuff it with the rich, famous, politicians, etc.

Question Everthing 1November 2, 2014 @ 7:41 pm

Yes, bring back the death penalty for this heinous crime, also when the vile “elites” get found out, it will be SWEET JUSTICE for the victims families, that have had to live with the pain/grief and heartache for so many years.

DogmanOctober 30, 2014 @ 7:56 pm

I can understand the struggle to carry on every single day, and the constant thought that if only he had done something differently.
There are some that believe that there were others involved.
ht tp://merovee.wordpress.com/2009/07/12/suffer-the-little-children/

Hi QE-Thanks-did you watch the video link as well? Terre Des Hommes-International used Sweetie who was a computer enhanced girl to trap Paedos.Within a short space of time they trapped up to a 1,000 Paedos-this is why they launched this Petition to put pressure on the Global Governments to put a halt to this filth….TC Louise xx

Question EverthingOctober 31, 2014 @ 3:28 pm

@ Louise. Hi hope you are well?, no I didn’t want to watch it. I get angry [even if the police actually did do something for a change] but so glad that those dirty sub humans got caught out. tc Trish x

louiseOctober 31, 2014 @ 4:38 pm

Hi Question Everything-I appreciate you not wanting to watch the link-it didn’t show anything upsetting-just the Computer image of Sweetie and an analysis of the wonderful work these individuals are bringing to light of these perverts.Believe you me i get angry as well over this- even discussing it upsets me-but we must face up to what’s going on and to expose the truth-As i used to work with children who were abused it makes it all the more poignant for me-therefore all the more determined to stop this horrific abuse and atrocities occuring daily on the innocent.Apparently there’s up to 750,000 perverts that go on these web cams after vulnerable children Globally everyday….And GCHQ are worried about us on here voicing our opinions to expose the truth-when they could stop this filth at the flick of a switch-Dirty EVIL SCUMBAGS……Much Love to you QE…TC Louise xx

icit2November 5, 2014 @ 10:22 am

Question Everything, I know exactly how you feel as when i was reading one of your very recent comments on how upset and stressed you get when reading about all the shit that goes on and how angry you get over it all,it could have been me that was writing it as you hit the nail on the head,lol, i get so enraged by what goes on i take it all on board and can get to the point where it feels as though my blood is really close to be near that of boiling, Human Combustion is a bit to close to be a real factor for my liking due to the heat factor,with nervous Ha ha ha, from infant school i would always stick up for myself and any other kids that would or did get bullied, i could not just stand there and allow them to be abused by nasty big mouth & no trousers type who got their sick fun/kicks, no way it is not in my nature, throughout the whole time at school i had got a reputation but i ‘never once had a fight’ with anyone from school, which was thanks to my explosive temper and all my childhood spent with a brother 3 and a half years older than me we would antagonize each other to the extreme where i would end up crying and shaking with rage my temper gone to that point where adrenalin kicks in big time and from saying you could kill someone to then know you can as in certain times not always been conscience at the time what you have done,like frenziedly punching my brother several times in the head NOT THE NORMAL THING EVEN FOR ME, LOL,and ramming the hoover so hard over his foot taking his big toenail. . . . .Can anyone remember not that long ago there was a lovely old man on here telling us about him and his wife who had their twin daughters taken from them and put them into care? who also left a link to the newspaper article as he was pointing out that a woman around the same time had her child taken from her and got a gun and shot dead the person who had been responsible to that happening or had taken advantage of her child,even though he had not felt the way she had over it, he could understood totally with her reason for killing them, as did the judge who gave her a lenient sentence, which i could on behalf of someone as the rage and anger i feel at times is to intense to get a grip over and i know it will be the death of me as does everyone else who has told me it will. . . . .Also QE your list of things you do to calm down are really some of the best for anyone to do and are actually proven to work as from a raving looney to a ‘normal’ whatever ‘normal’ is can vouch for, lol x.

Question Everthing 1November 5, 2014 @ 1:37 pm

Icit2… Hi, I have only just read your reply to me so apologies for late reply, and yes I do know what you are saying “THE RED MIST” eh? believe you me, I have suffered with that too!
I haven’t read those comments that you mention on here, but can understand what those poor people went through at the time. We all have now got to keep calm, positive, in the hope with helping Chris and backing him up in any way we can, that we get some justice someday,tc Trish x

louiseNovember 5, 2014 @ 4:15 pm

Hi QE and Ici2-Hope you’re both well-everyone no matter how placid they are has to have an outlet for their ‘temper-fruatration’ etc.When i was first adopted i used to have screaming fits especially where i thought i may have been going back to the nursery after being adopted at the age of 5 by exceptional parents.I also can’t watch any form of abuse or cruelty to a child or animal as i get sleepless nights and it plays on my mind.I also find if i get really angry inside [which i do] and want to harm the perpetrators it doesn’t make me feel any better wishing the crime had been prevented in the first place -though obviously some form of justice is paramount with such heinous crimes-I’m more likely to take a back seat than perform an execution on the perpetrator unless of course i actually caught anyone committing an unspeakable offence then i’d intervene in an instant-not knowing what the consequences would be as i wouldn’t be responsible for my actions…….TC Louise xx

DogmanNovember 5, 2014 @ 4:44 pm

QE, icit2 and Louise, it’s only natural to feel the way you do about abusers and victims. Some stories keep me awake at night and after I found out what had happened to my eldest daughter (9 yrs later) I would often shake with rage and frustration and my dogs would look up at me wondering why I was so angry. I guess they could feel their chain leads vibrating. I had re-married by the time I found out and I had to promise to behave to prevent several lives being ruined. Nothing I do will ever erase it for my daughter and I have to live with that too. I can do red mist rage and it is a menace!

Question Everthing 1November 5, 2014 @ 4:45 pm

Icit2 that’s a good response… but it could be better. I signed it and emailed it 2 everyone I could think of. Tc Trish x

Question Everthing 1November 5, 2014 @ 4:50 pm

Louise Hi, I have been in situations where I could have quite easily lost it! Its a natural reaction if you are a caring soul, I am so glad you finally had a lovely ending and found love in your life. T C much love Trish x

Question Everthing 1November 5, 2014 @ 4:56 pm

Dogman, I feel for you and I know where you are coming from, when my husband passed I had to get tough and be both dad and mum to my lads, believe me its not easy to not do anything, when faced with such horrors that you were faced with, you did the right thing by your daughter and I bet she loves the bones of you for it tc Trish x

DogmanNovember 5, 2014 @ 5:22 pm

Thanks Trish, but not all the time she didn’t. She once said (in a bad moment) that she wished I was a psycho Dad. Shades of grey not black and white unfortunately. She’d kept it secret for 9 yrs, until she was 18. Thing is, I could snap the scum in half and he knows it and I will ALWAYS be able to, and he knows that too!

louiseNovember 5, 2014 @ 5:09 pm

Hi Dogman-Glad to hear your daughter has been blessed with a lovely dad such as yourself.As i can well understand her terrible past won’t alter no matter what you do-but can only say how hard it really must have been for you to restrain yourself-where probably the Majority wouldn’t have been able to.Your reward though probably shines through where’s she’s matured into a loving caring daughter like her dad of today…….TC Louise xx

louiseNovember 5, 2014 @ 5:13 pm

Hi QE-Yes i’ts easy to be in situations where you can ‘let go’ but it’s not always a wise choice-thankyou for your kind comment…..TC Louise xx

louiseNovember 5, 2014 @ 7:06 pm

PS Dogman-Hope you understood my post about your daughter-What i meant was you now being the father she should have always had and not the piece of scum that abused her.The way it was worded appeared it was interpreted towards you-my apologies for the misinterpretation…TC Louise xx

DogmanNovember 6, 2014 @ 7:00 am

No worries Louise. The abuser was a 14 yr old friend of her brothers. He lived in the same road as me and as i was divorced from her mum, she spent a lot of time at my house. All weekend and every night after work and i never suspected that anything had happened. I had to go past the abuser’s family house to get out of the close. I don’t know where he lives now though.

FreebornOctober 30, 2014 @ 8:44 pm

The Huntley and Whiting cases exposed the lengths to which the police will go to fabricate evidence against innocent men.

Both cases are covered here: ht tp://www.justjustice.org

Peter ReesOctober 31, 2014 @ 7:29 pm

Hey Freeborn, just spotted your post… Yep, I know exactly what you mean.

Peter ReesOctober 31, 2014 @ 7:26 pm

I read some stuff about there being a question mark over Whiting’s guilt in the Payne case and that there has since been a strong suspicion that Levi Bellfield may in fact be guilty of the murder along with a very strong possibility that he was also responsible for the hammer attack on the Russell family.

Bellfield was convicted of the murder of Millie Dowler in Feb 2008 but at the time the police thought that he may have been involved in other similar crimes. Michael Stone (Convicted of the Russell murders) has always protested his innocence (Ok, not exactly unusual under the circumstances). My concern about these cases is that there is a lot of what I call Barry George syndrome involved in policing today – that is, when you’re under pressure to get a result – i.e. a conviction, you just go out and pick up the nearest known nutter, paedo, or whatever and make the suspect fit the crime. It’s just fucking lazy policing. While those convicted wrongly or otherwise are, (particularly in the case of Whiting – scumbags) the whole thing is dangerous as it means that the real culprit is still out there and a danger to the public as is the case in the Jill Dando murder.

xrayOctober 31, 2014 @ 9:44 pm

Finally! Pleased to see Fiona Woolf has at last done the right thing and resigned from Project Whitewash – aka the CSA Inquiry.

xrayOctober 31, 2014 @ 10:02 pm

If the inappropriate selections of Elizabeth Butler-Sloss and Fiona Woolf were meant as *delaying tactics*, then the ‘fiasco’ being attributed to the Home Secretary is in fact nothing of the sort.

If you’re an MI5 or Special Branch operative with CSA files that need losing, Theresa May just bought you a few extra months to ‘lose’ them.

And if you’re a current or former politician feeling the heat, May has allowed you extra time to ‘develop dementia’ or ‘pass away in Italy’.

The rest of Westminster can breathe a sigh of relief that Theresa May might have successfully delayed the Inquiry until after the next General Election.

Finally, we also must be mindful that — having selected 2 thoroughly inappropriate Inquiry chairs — the 3rd individual that the Government names as Inquiry chair may be the one they really wanted all along…

xrayOctober 31, 2014 @ 10:05 pm

The Royal Family: 16 reasons why all of them must be compelled to answer questions for the CSA Inquiry

ht tp://www.scribd.com/doc/245022424/Britain-s-Royal-Family

Keith ThomasOctober 31, 2014 @ 11:12 pm

What about Mike Mansfield QC for the job? What are your thoughts?

WolfieNovember 1, 2014 @ 1:35 am

I approached him , asshole didn’t even reply , another gatekeeper allowed to win certain case’s to make the legal system look like a level playing field , POA , Legal Advisor to Tittsworth & Grabbe and Goodnight.

Keith ThomasNovember 1, 2014 @ 8:47 am

Thanks Wolfie, enough said!!

what-a-carry-onNovember 1, 2014 @ 3:33 pm

Esther Rancid has been suggested as a suitable person to chair the Child Abuse Enquiry. It would be funny if it wasn’t so fucking sad that there are still so many blind morons out there that “just don’t get it”!!!

Question EverthingNovember 1, 2014 @ 4:12 pm

WHAT! It looks like we will all need to get emailing if she gets to chair the enquiry.

GallowsNovember 1, 2014 @ 4:23 pm

That would be the biggest kick in the nuts to the survivors, I’m fairly sure we could get her booted before she could make her first statement.

Who, apart from Chris and Bill do we think would be a good choice?

louiseNovember 1, 2014 @ 7:39 pm

Hi Gallows-Good choice for starters Chris and Bill-Robert Green and maybe an expert in law as well think would make a good panel.Do you think could set up a petition to send to Paedo Parliament to forward their names to chair the enquiry-If we could raise enough names then they’d have to comply wouldn’t they? What do you think Gallows?……..TC Louise xx

Hello there Louise.
A lot of years ago I was the victim of a con man who, has it turned out, was aided and abetted in his deceptions by lawyers who had helped him procure his Legal Aid Certificates by deception.
At that time I wrote a 13 paged letter to Esther Rantzen begging her to help me by publicising the rank injustice that was happening.
She did not even reply and I went on to lose everything that I had to an unscrupulous fraudster who got his own house at my expense.
She is interested only in promoting herself and I for one believe that she will toe the ‘establishment’ line rather than act in the public interest.
For this reason I do not believe her to be the right person for the job.

louiseNovember 1, 2014 @ 9:25 pm

Hi Colin-Sorry to hear you were scammed-I for one totally agree with you that Esther Rantzen’s a bad choice to chair the enquiry on Child Abuse.Though something needs to be done as it wouldn’t surprise me if Paedo Parliament doesn’t invent some excuse to put forward some concotion of a new ballot to put through the House of Lords-so the idea of an Independant Enquiry will be harder to put forward….TC Louise xx

icit2November 6, 2014 @ 9:36 am

NO OTHER THAN MY ALL TIME TAKE NO PISS OTHER THAN BE @ YOUR OWN PERIL N01 MR JOHNNY ROTTEN AKA MR. J. LYDON. DO NOT FORGET THE FACT THAT ANY LETTERS WHICH ARE ADDRESSED TO ANY KNOWN PERSON WILL HAVE P.RS AND OTHER STAFF THAT THE LATTER WILL NOT BE IN ANY CONTROL OTHER TO HER OWN EMPLOYERS,THE BBC CORPORATION GREEDY FAT PIGS P.S SEND AS MANY LETTERS AS YOU LIKE OR YOUR T.V MAN. HA HA HA!

bennyNovember 1, 2014 @ 10:14 am

Could we all please email or tweet Matthew Hancock and ask him why he thinks investigating child abuse is not a priority.

He’s the MP at the end of the video that demand the withdrawal of the statement whilst clearly saying that the Labor party had its priorities wrong by wanting to pursue this issue.

He is more that aware of the allegations against Leon and the rest of the nonce establishment because i have written to him a number of times asking for his support and help getting to the bottom of this.

It might be nice to Email Jim Hood to say thanks for sticking his neck out and putting this out in the open – http://jimhoodmp.org.uk

louiseNovember 1, 2014 @ 11:19 am

Hi Benny-done-here’s a copy of email i sent to Mr Hancock-It has been brought to my attention you don’t consider Child Abuse a priority.I would have thought Mr Hancock that this should almost certainly be a priority considering the amount of children that have been and still are being abused in the ‘system’ especially as no one appears to know the exact numbers of these atrocities being committed.Waiting for your swift reply
Regards L M R

bennyNovember 1, 2014 @ 11:28 am

Thank you so much Louise, iv been writing to this fella about this for a while, he’s a career politician so won’t do anything that rocks the party boat. X

louiseNovember 1, 2014 @ 2:04 pm

Hi Benny-you’re more than welcome-there’s so many of these Politicians that appear to be busy doing nothing about any of the corruption from the top to the bottom.Well now something’s got to give before long with all the pressure coming from different sources-Onwards and Upwards Benny-hopefully many will be ex-Politicians in the forseeable future-Much Love to you and your family Benny TC Louise xx

what-a-carry-onNovember 1, 2014 @ 3:12 pm

Sorry if this is the wrong place to post. This world gets sicker by the day :(.

Paediatrician admits sex offences against young boys and possession of more than 1million indecent images

Hi G. If that puke-inducing photo was meant to elicit sympathy then it was a massive fail! I think Plan C will be to say he’s had a massive stroke/heart attack over the monstrous allegations he’s had to face and WE killed him. Meanwhile, LB is in paedo paradise on some lovely island in the sun, where he can swop his warped/disgusting tales with the likes of McA and company … A Nonce heaven in the sun …

GallowsNovember 1, 2014 @ 4:18 pm

Probably, he’s not going to go down for any of it.

Ever read any of James Herberts fiction?
Ash the last one he wrote is very interesting in regards to this subject.
I have no trouble believing a place like Comraich Castle exists.

what-a-carry-onNovember 1, 2014 @ 4:56 pm

They say truth is stranger than fiction …

When I think of King/Herbert/Koontz – it’s a bit like Kubrick. All in the “know” but are they drip feeding us for good or bad purposes, i.e. to enlighten or frighten?

jeff brownNovember 5, 2014 @ 5:20 am

hi gallows
yea i thought of that when reading that book
funny james herbert published ash in august 2012 and then died (suicided) in march 2013, first thing i thought of (my mum also did after reading ash) was they got him in the end,always wondered how much he knew what was going on.
jeff

I was talking to a bloke the other week who said that Roy Whiting was a Tyler for the local lodge. There is more to this case than what was presented. The painting the little girl did in the weeks prior to her murder is chilling. Dog rest her soul and her fathers. May they be united once more.

raine1November 1, 2014 @ 9:25 pm

Colin Peters letter to Esther Rantzen…..’

Hi Colin. A few years ago I was a volunteer for the NSPCC/CHILDLINE. I heard about the Hollie Greig case in Scotland and I wrote and e-mailed Ms. rancid several times asking if she would please help Hollie in her quest for justice against the Scottish establishment paedos who had systematically raped Hollie when she was a little girl and teenager. There was a deafening silence from Ms. Rancid. I explained to the despicable Esther that I worked voluntarily for the organisation (Childline) that she had set up and I asked her why she was not highlighting Hollie’s case. Another deafening silence. that is when the penny dropped for me. I realized that Ms. Rancid was a gatekeeper. I walked out of NSPCC/CHILDLINE. What finally convinced me beyond a doubt that the NSPCC/CHILDLINE was a paedo protecting organisation is when that filthy pervert ‘mandy’ (he who likes rodents up his arse) was made the boss of this outfit. A bit like asking Rose West to baby-sit your kids. I would urge anyone who donates to NSPCC/CHILDLINE to PLEASE stop doing so. lorraine

Thank you Raine1. You confirm my thoughts that Esther Rantzen has, or did have at the time when I wrote to her, the public face of a caring and compassionate campaigner eager to expose wrongdoings in society, and then her other more private face which the public don’t see.

what-a-carry-onNovember 3, 2014 @ 3:30 pm

and who can forget that memorable photo with her and so-vile? Of course, she denied knowing him until, miracluously, after many “promptings”, her pathetic memory recall came back. Didn’t she also “host” parties in her secluded country house with questionable guest lists … tick, tock …

Smash TVNovember 3, 2014 @ 3:41 pm

She is one grim bitch that Rancid. She also withdrew her support from Robert Green when he was nominated as Child Abuse Champion a few years ago. There’s a YT video by Bill Maloney somewhere regarding that.

Abuse campaigner Shy Keenan said she alerted her 19 years ago, but Rant couldn’t recall the conversation You’d have thought that hearing the name of a TV star or household name would have stuck in her memory!

icit2November 5, 2014 @ 10:42 am

Paula Barrow just posted an update on the petition you signed, .@David_Cameron Change the law to better protect vulnerable children like Daniel Pelka #DanielsLaw. . . . . FANTASTIC TIMING I GOT THIS FROM A PART OF MY EMAIL I RECEIVED ON THE 3RD NOVEMBER FROM THE PETITION SITE “CHANGE.ORG” THE FOLLOWING IS FROM THEIR SITE;- 3 Nov 2014 — Daniel Pelka’s Law has moved a step closer to becoming a reality after a public consultation was announced in the Lords last week, in response to continued pressure on government to introduce the mandatory reporting of child abuse in regulated settings.

When I launched the Campaign for Daniel’s Law in August 2013, it was difficult to persuade any MP to lend support because of the potential cost involved in the introduction of mandatory reporting, and the necessary overhaul of child protection infrastructure to support it.

Tremendous progress has been made.

The Lib Dems recently voted unanimously in support of mandatory reporting at their party conference, Labour are supportive in principle but appear unclear as to how it might be applied, and the Conservatives have been conspicuously quiet since both Cameron and Gove suggested it may be time to consider new legislation… after which the Cabinet was reshuffled.

As the UK struggles to progress high profile child abuse enquiries, we embark on the road to the next General Election, May 2015. It’s up to the public to put child protection firmly at the top of the political agenda and make it a vote winner.

Today, we stand at 188,000 signatures – let’s make certain our numbers continue to grow and make us impossible to ignore. Please keep signing and sharing for change; children can’t stop child abuse – adults can.

Thank you.

raine1November 5, 2014 @ 5:42 pm

Hi Dogman. Hope you are well mate. Don’t ever doubt that you did the right thing in controlling the red-mist rage that you undoubtedly felt towards your daughter’s abuser. What good would you have been to your daughter sitting in a prison cell? As a Man and a Dad I understand that the burning rage towards the filth that did this to your child will never go away, but your daughter is VERY lucky to have you for a Father, and I guarantee that even when she gets days when she perhaps takes her anger out on you, that deep down she adores you. speak soon, lorraine, xxx

DogmanNovember 5, 2014 @ 6:06 pm

Thank you for that Lorraine. She does, she tells me often enough and I’m very proud of her deciding to study at college and she plans to eventually be a personal trainer, which is something I regret not doing myself, but I’ll be chuffed if she does it. She lives her life for my grandson and boyfriends aren’t a priority at the moment.
I’ll catch up with you and Wolfie at the weekend
Take care xx

DogmanNovember 5, 2014 @ 6:07 pm

Thank you for that Lorraine. She does, she tells me often enough and I’m very proud of her deciding to study at college and she plans to eventually be a personal trainer, which is something I regret not doing myself, but I’ll be chuffed if she does it. She lives her life for my grandson and boyfriends aren’t a priority at the moment.
I’ll catch up with you and Wolfie at the weekend
Take care xxx

icit2November 6, 2014 @ 11:03 am

12 hours or more on here too fucking long x

raine1November 5, 2014 @ 7:19 pm

Brilliant article Chris.
As with all of the crimes and false flags committed by the freemason-paedo-satanic elites, this Rigby debacle is full of satanic/luciferian symbolism. The date of birth that was chosen for the non-existent Lee Rigby is first of July 1987. The first of July is a date in the satanic calendar that requires ‘blood rituals and sex with demons.’ Also, the numbers 7 and 11 are hugely important to these sick fucks. If you add the date of birth up you get 33. (1 + 7 + 1 + 9 + 8 + 7 = 33). 33 is 3 times 11. Also, the number 33 is the highest you can reach as a freemason after you have earned your ‘honour’ by raping and killing huge numbers of kids for the ’cause.’ I THINK there is a 45th degree (which it is RUMOURED savile was but I can not substantiate this with proof just yet). But I digress: Back to the Rigby hoax. ‘Lee’ was apparently ‘married’ to Rebecca on the 8th september 2007. 20 + 7 + 8 + 9 = 44……..eleven FOUR times. Rigby was ‘murdered’ on 22nd of May 2013. 22 + 5 + 2 + 1 + 3 = 33. Rigby’s ‘funeral’ took place on July 12th 2013. 7 + 1 + 2 + 2 + 1 + 3 = 16 (1 + 6 = 7 ). And the name ‘Lee?’ In ancient Pagan beliefs, it means a meadow, woodland or forest. And the Pagan ‘God’ of such places was Pan, the deity who represents every kind of sexual perversion imaginable: Paedophilia, incest, rape…..you get the picture. Then there is the area where ‘lee’ grew up: Middleton, in Manchester. In ‘honour’ Kate Middleton, future queen of this cesspit country? Possibly. I am certain there is loads more satanic/luciferian symbolism involved in this false flag…I will do a bit more digging. lorraine.

raine1November 6, 2014 @ 10:57 am

I wonder who the next piece of shit will be that the government deems fit to chair an inquiry in to historic child abuse? And folks, don’t be in the least bit surprised if a ‘false flag’ occurs in order to take deflect attention away from those foul cunts who have been raping and murdering our nation’s kids for decades. Perhaps we will have another ‘lee Rigby’ (I suspect that one of the main reasons for the Rigby hoax was to take the peasants minds off of the j. savile scandal). Or perhaps another ‘Terrorist Attack’ like the 7/7 bombings in London. Oh dear. I have just realized that cunt caMORON has stated that any person who posts on the net that these outrages are the work of the government may face prison. caMORON, I have news for you: You are a cunt of the highest department, and you can’t keep everyone quiet by threatening them with prison because the genie is well and truly out of the bottle. So go fuck yourself. lorraine.

Question Everything 1November 7, 2014 @ 1:00 pm

Lorraine, you might like to read this by Dr Martin Roberts, scroll down about half way to see a pic of the mcscams, hardly grieving parents eh? Unlike the poor parents of little Sarah Payne……….. hope you and yours are well tc Trish x

Trish, there are far too many sick individuals that glory in abusing people on twitter and facebook. Back in the day, they’d say fuck all in a pub until they’d had enough to drink and grown beer muscles. Then they’d more often than not end up bloodied. I allow some trolls thru cos it makes it easier to catalogue them. Tech stuff, otherwise I’d just flush their shit away. Rimjob is today’s name, but the little boy uses spread ’em and other such names. Puberty is a problem for some people.

question everything 1November 18, 2014 @ 4:00 pm

Dogman, Hi, I agree, these sort of people are obviously lacking in social skills so they come onto sites where they feel they can cause havoc because they thrive on it, thank dog we have you good moderators on here for us, take care my friend Trish x

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