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Except the 2008 Lions are the only team that have ever had an 0-16 season, though I do understand you're saying that because it's hard to get fired from the Lions organization. I know a lot of Lions fans blame Ford for the decades of mediocrity, because "he doesn't care about the team enough" to get a coach and GM that would be capable of leading the Lions to a championship. I used to be in that camp. I would always proclaim that the Lions would never win a Super Bowl as long as Ford owned the team.

Which is silly. Ford won't ever sell the team.

Minny won't have an 0-16 season anytime soon. In fact, because the football gods hate the Lions, I'm going to predict we'll never see an 0-16 team again, at least not in our lifetime.

Except the 2008 Lions are the only team that have ever had an 0-16 season, though I do understand you're saying that because it's hard to get fired from the Lions organization. I know a lot of Lions fans blame Ford for the decades of mediocrity, because "he doesn't care about the team enough" to get a coach and GM that would be capable of leading the Lions to a championship. I used to be in that camp. I would always proclaim that the Lions would never win a Super Bowl as long as Ford owned the team.

Which is silly. Ford won't ever sell the team.

Minny won't have an 0-16 season anytime soon. In fact, because the football gods hate the Lions, I'm going to predict we'll never see an 0-16 team again, at least not in our lifetime.

I guess I should have worded that better. We'll call it a metaphorical "0-16" Season. I just mean when things crumble and then things gets build back up. Like MIA for example. I don't know if I'd put IND on that list as it was just a QB issue.

I would probably blame Ford, but I don't know enough about the issue to point fingers. I just remember the Bears firing some head people and they did a 180 and it's worked out for them so I'm wondering if that's what the Lions need. They have the talent to be a consistent .500+ team

Nah, the Lions don't need to fire anyone. They're not sucking, after all.

Btw, here's PoD's preview for the game. They're predicting a Lions win, and they're usually pretty accurate. This guy's not a homer Lions fan, either. FWIW, he actually predicted the Vikings would beat the Lions the first time around. As usual, I pretty much agree 100% with him.

I just feel like the Vikings season is over and we'll be lucky to hit .500. We started out good, but Ponder's episode really has screwed us over. Not to mention the fact we only have Harvin doing any receiving.

Now as for the game, I expect it to be close and of course I hope for a MIN win, but if we lose I wouldn't be surprised. I know it shows lack of faith in my team but I just realize we aren't where we need to be nor are we in a good spot atm.

I've given up all hope of you getting to the playoffs this year. I've given up hope of you even finishing the season at .500. At this point, my expectations of you couldn't possibly be any lower. I just ask this: beat the Cowboys tomorrow. The Cowboys are probably the only team in the league with about as many ridiculous turnovers as you.

Offensive line? Please wake up. Vick? For the love of God, man, quit with the turnovers. Defense? How about actually getting a stop when it matters? You were the best thing about Philly in the beginning of the season. What happened? And for the whole team... the constant penalties are getting really old. In short, just please get it together.

I just feel like the Vikings season is over and we'll be lucky to hit .500. We started out good, but Ponder's episode really has screwed us over. Not to mention the fact we only have Harvin doing any receiving.

Now as for the game, I expect it to be close and of course I hope for a MIN win, but if we lose I wouldn't be surprised. I know it shows lack of faith in my team but I just realize we aren't where we need to be nor are we in a good spot atm.

Nah, the Vikings aren't as bad as they've looked in their past few games, though I do think they overachieved against SF. I think you guys will finish pretty close to .500, if not at .500.

I feel the same about the Lions. I hope they win, I expect them to win, but if they lose, I wouldn't be surprised. These two teams are pretty even, in my opinion.

And thanks for not being so dismissive of the Lions, like I know a lot of NFC North fans are.

Yeah, I tend to get a little angry, because like I said, it feels like people (especially NFC North fans) are dismissive of the Lions almost entirely because of their history. I do try to give credit where it's due and not be a homer, but sometimes, my Lions fandom does get in the way of that.

That's what I saw with the Minny-SF game. They had one good game, but they're not there yet.

In college football news: Holy cow, I can't believe U-M won that game. I mean, beating Northwestern isn't that big of a deal or anything, but when Gardner threw that last interception, I thought U-M had lost for sure. What an exciting game that was! Just need Nebraska to lose to Penn State now, and this will be a good day.

As an OSU fan I'm really incensed we can't go to a bowl this year while UM can. Hopefully UM will lose its last two and have to settle for the Heart of Dallas Bowl instead of a BCS game or one of the B1G-SEC games.

As an OSU fan I'm really incensed we can't go to a bowl this year while UM can. Hopefully UM will lose its last two and have to settle for the Heart of Dallas Bowl instead of a BCS game or one of the B1G-SEC games.

Don't worry. Nebraska will probably win the Legends division. They've already proven to be a better team than UM overall, and there's no way they're going to lose to Minny and Iowa. And OSU is by far the best team in the B1G and will treat the last game like a bowl game. They won't lose to UM, though I do think UM will beat Iowa.

I'm just sick of these slow starts, is all, and I wish we could have more games like last week's Jags game or last year's Lions-Chargers game, where the Lions come out swinging right away and play a full 60 minutes instead of playing down to their opponent and getting behind early.

EDIT: Yep. This is not the Lions team that beat the Seahawks and Jaguars. This is the Lions team that lost to the Vikings. They won't win this one.

I hate to admit it, but the Lions will probably only win the Cardinals game and lose everything else. On the bright side, that means a high draft pick so they can draft an elite safety and an easy schedule for next year.