The reason for the question was that I read the article and found it to be in contrast to information I'd heard previously.

Basically, the article contradicts both the message I'd heard and and the rankings on the conference website, so I asked the question looking for something definitive. Not sure if anything like that exists (the conference rules don't clarify which "record" they refer to really) but thought it was worth a shot

Looked up the San Jose state schedule after reading this and realized Borges just had to watch Michigan tape to scout their game against Oregon State, then they got beaten by the team M handled easily.

Not onlu that but SJSU still has UNLV and BYU, on the schedule! Probably not fun days ahead even if he will be watching the defense not the offense.

Great guy with an extraordinary devotion to the university. Sad to see him go as he was a constant source of positive energy and moved the program in the right direction academically and in terms of recruiting talent.

I am going to renew and ask to move into better seats when all you people decide to drop. Next year might be bad but the year after that we have both MSU and OSU at home with what will be a great team by then.

So to all of you I say: please, give up your tickets, I will gladly move into your prime real estate.

I don't think SC's or anyone else's disagreements mean that they don't appreciate the vast knowledge you, Brian, have about Michigan football from watching and studying it. So why take the comments so personally? SC's posts add quite a bit of value to this site, and the debate is not as black and white as "I'm on this side of the fence you're on that side." It's helpful to have opposing points of view for me, at least.

And where does it get us if everyone agrees anyway? We all clamor more for Borges to be fired? Clearly part of the problem is execution and part of the problem is they're doing something difficult. When an offense performs like M has the past few games no one is really "dying on Borges Hill," even SC. The debate is really about where the coaches failed - in playcalls or preparing the players to execute hard assignments ahead of time.

It seems to me that every team that has won the national championship has controlled the line of scrimmage with a physical attack. Even the spread teams that have won the national championship (Florida, Auburn, Texas to some degree) did it with physical, downhill rushing QBs and an offensive line that could run over people.

I don't mean to say running a spread couldn't work, but I think the Stanford-Oregon game does indicate that there is nothing inherently wrong with power offense (I hate the pejorative term Manball). We just need to pick an identity and stick with it - that has been the problem lately not the move away from the spread.

Makes little sense on a few levels. First, Harbaugh is no longer there. Second, we are recruiting on Harbaugh levels. Third, you don't know that about Hoke based on anything other than his answers to dumb press conference questions.

This game should be encouraging to everyone that the program is headed in the right direction.

This is pretty much the call to reason I was hoping to read. While no one is happy with performances like Saturday's, I see this team on a very upward trajectory, mainly due to recruiting and the "crater" where the senior class should be. Firing is the easy part of the equation, but unless there is someone better suited for the job who those people think would realistically take the job and they can name them, it's only half an argument.

I had a lot of hope for this year that obviously isn't going to be fulfilled, but the idea of going through yet another coaching change is completely unpalatable. Borges bears much fo the blame for the performance this year, but I also think the offense-without-an-identity is partially due to the fact that he ran a spread (which we all applauded) for 2 years. It's technically year 3, but really only year 1 in the Borges system. They should still be farther along, but that with the youth should at least cast doubt on the "he needs to be fired immediately" argument.

Brian's point about transitions is the one everyone seems to forget. - they take time. Let the guy prove he can't win with his own class of seniors before jumping back into the cesspool of coaching changes.