All religions, arts, and sciences are branches of the same tree. All these aspirations are directed toward ennobling man's life, lifting it from the sphere of mere physical existence and leading the individual towards freedom. -Albert Einstein-

When Eve consumed the fruit of the tree of knowledge, she automatically had the knowledge that --made Her as Gods, knowing good and evil.

A Great thing.

Eve’s thoughts would have turned to Adam.
Should She uphold God’s initial wishes and tell Adam the same thing that God told Her, not to eat, or should She draw Adam to Godly knowledge?

We know what She did. The right thing.

But why did She NOT uphold the ideals of God if She had the same knowledge as God.
It should be a given that She would matched God’s thinking, in this issue and think it a bad idea to have humans be that bright and know good and evil.

The answer is that She was, not so much, more moral than God, but that She was more suited to interpret the knowledge of good and evil for mankind. She was after all, a human.
She was better in this role than God was because She was of the species known as mankind.

She did it out of Love to Her species. Adam was to be the first to enjoy the fruits of Her wise and godly choice. The good sense of that choice is evident to this day. Her pleasure and pain would show profit in so many ways.
By showing Her loyalty to mankind, as She should have, instead of what to her would be an alien God, She launched us into our wondrous history.

Wow!

We were given the tree of life and God vanished to never more be seen or heard from again.

This means that our first God was a Goddess.

Adam has been peeved ever since. It took him many generations, right on up to today, to recognize that might does not mean right. Some have not quite received that common wisdom as yet.

Adam better be careful, Eve is looking at Her world and is getting peeved Herself because man is so slow to learn this simple lesson.

I have admitted an apotheosis and did not recognize till recently that the Godhead that I found was born of a Female. This may be because I am a male but I think that it may have other reasons having to do with rights of passage.

I think Women should move from the back of the Church, where they was told to sit down and shut up, to the front of the Church, where they belong.
The world needs for all women to step up, now that they have the systems in place to protect them from the assaults of men who would control by more brutish methods.

Eve instinctively knew the right decision to make for mankind by knowing that mankind should be lead by a human and not by an alien God.

I see more of her sister stepping up and hope that more will step up soon because the world seems to be in need of guidance.

Man’s character and nature was perhaps necessary in the past, because of condition, where more brawn than brain were required to lead, but I think that those days are gone, and that mankind should be bright enough to recognize that without female leadership now, we may regress back to a rather unpleasant condition.

I believe that Eve and Her action in the beginning showed God the rightness of humans leading humans and that that is why we have dominion over all that we know and that is why He has never returned to fix what is not broken.

Man has not been able to elect himself a new God as revelation promises and I believe it is because women have the necessary character to lead us as Eve showed in Genesis.

I encourage all women to step up once more and take your rightful place as the leaders of mankind. Our oldest relics are of a mother goddess, not of a father God.

Ladies, the world depends on you because as you can see, men have reached their level of incompetence in dealing with our modern problems. It is to you that the burden MUST fall, to insure that your children and grandchildren have a decent world to live in. Your men are failing you.

I beg you to remember your true place of leadership and rise to the occasion.

(02-03-2010 03:12 PM)Greatest I am Wrote: Was our first God, a Goddess?

When Eve consumed the fruit of the tree of knowledge, she automatically had the knowledge that --made Her as Gods, knowing good and evil.

A Great thing.

Eve’s thoughts would have turned to Adam.
Should She uphold God’s initial wishes and tell Adam the same thing that God told Her, not to eat, or should She draw Adam to Godly knowledge?

We know what She did. The right thing.

But why did She NOT uphold the ideals of God if She had the same knowledge as God.
It should be a given that She would matched God’s thinking, in this issue and think it a bad idea to have humans be that bright and know good and evil.

The answer is that She was, not so much, more moral than God, but that She was more suited to interpret the knowledge of good and evil for mankind. She was after all, a human.
She was better in this role than God was because She was of the species known as mankind.

She did it out of Love to Her species. Adam was to be the first to enjoy the fruits of Her wise and godly choice. The good sense of that choice is evident to this day. Her pleasure and pain would show profit in so many ways.
By showing Her loyalty to mankind, as She should have, instead of what to her would be an alien God, She launched us into our wondrous history.

Wow!

We were given the tree of life and God vanished to never more be seen or heard from again.

This means that our first God was a Goddess.

Adam has been peeved ever since. It took him many generations, right on up to today, to recognize that might does not mean right. Some have not quite received that common wisdom as yet.

Adam better be careful, Eve is looking at Her world and is getting peeved Herself because man is so slow to learn this simple lesson.

I have admitted an apotheosis and did not recognize till recently that the Godhead that I found was born of a Female. This may be because I am a male but I think that it may have other reasons having to do with rights of passage.

I think Women should move from the back of the Church, where they was told to sit down and shut up, to the front of the Church, where they belong.
The world needs for all women to step up, now that they have the systems in place to protect them from the assaults of men who would control by more brutish methods.

Eve instinctively knew the right decision to make for mankind by knowing that mankind should be lead by a human and not by an alien God.

I see more of her sister stepping up and hope that more will step up soon because the world seems to be in need of guidance.

Man’s character and nature was perhaps necessary in the past, because of condition, where more brawn than brain were required to lead, but I think that those days are gone, and that mankind should be bright enough to recognize that without female leadership now, we may regress back to a rather unpleasant condition.

I believe that Eve and Her action in the beginning showed God the rightness of humans leading humans and that that is why we have dominion over all that we know and that is why He has never returned to fix what is not broken.

Man has not been able to elect himself a new God as revelation promises and I believe it is because women have the necessary character to lead us as Eve showed in Genesis.

I encourage all women to step up once more and take your rightful place as the leaders of mankind. Our oldest relics are of a mother goddess, not of a father God.

Ladies, the world depends on you because as you can see, men have reached their level of incompetence in dealing with our modern problems. It is to you that the burden MUST fall, to insure that your children and grandchildren have a decent world to live in. Your men are failing you.

I beg you to remember your true place of leadership and rise to the occasion.

Thoughts?

Regards
DL

It doesn't work. You've only exchanged Father for Mother and as long as the sun's influence on life on earth rules over the moon's influence, Father will be the more important face of the Godhead in the minds of human beings. The Gospel of Humanity restores to human conception a complete and holistic conceptualization of the Godhead as a Holy Family, without which conception Father rules believers in God to the detriment of Mother and all women. For women to regain their spiritual authority they do need Mother in the Godhead but please, without Father in the Godhead, Mother is without meaning, and vice-versa. Actually, without Son and Daughter the Holy Family is incomplete. And some would say without animals in the Godhead animals become victims of bad treatment. We are Holy One. Let's act like it.

That's all rather gnostic, isn't it? The view of the wisdom from the tree of knowledge being spiritually beneficial, and of a goddess figure imparting wisdom seems very familiar. If you are a gnostic, then perhaps you can make some sort of allegorical sense out of those tales. Such is not my calling, but I will say that the only deity of mine I ever heard of winning an argument with the creator was fate herself. She compliments him as a feminine side- the Mara/Marsa (Sounds like Mary, no?) to his Dievs. Let the goddesses never be forgotten.

(02-03-2010 11:46 PM)Venedi Sporoi Wrote: That's all rather gnostic, isn't it? The view of the wisdom from the tree of knowledge being spiritually beneficial, and of a goddess figure imparting wisdom seems very familiar. If you are a gnostic, then perhaps you can make some sort of allegorical sense out of those tales. Such is not my calling, but I will say that the only deity of mine I ever heard of winning an argument with the creator was fate herself. She compliments him as a feminine side- the Mara/Marsa (Sounds like Mary, no?) to his Dievs. Let the goddesses never be forgotten.

It does sound a bit Gnostic as well as the old Hebrew thinking where they see Genesis as not a fall but a fall up to man having a moral sense.

Christianity took a good talking snake and made it evil when they consolidated many of the old religions into theirs.

(02-03-2010 11:46 PM)Venedi Sporoi Wrote: That's all rather gnostic, isn't it? The view of the wisdom from the tree of knowledge being spiritually beneficial, and of a goddess figure imparting wisdom seems very familiar. If you are a gnostic, then perhaps you can make some sort of allegorical sense out of those tales. Such is not my calling, but I will say that the only deity of mine I ever heard of winning an argument with the creator was fate herself. She compliments him as a feminine side- the Mara/Marsa (Sounds like Mary, no?) to his Dievs. Let the goddesses never be forgotten.

It does sound a bit Gnostic as well as the old Hebrew thinking where they see Genesis as not a fall but a fall up to man having a moral sense.

Christianity took a good talking snake and made it evil when they consolidated many of the old religions into theirs.

Almost nothing of Christianity is original.

Regards
DL

Yet you are referring to the Old Testament when you speak of a talking snake, aren't you? What bearing could that have on Christian responses to other religions centuries later? I'm confused.

(02-03-2010 11:46 PM)Venedi Sporoi Wrote: That's all rather gnostic, isn't it? The view of the wisdom from the tree of knowledge being spiritually beneficial, and of a goddess figure imparting wisdom seems very familiar. If you are a gnostic, then perhaps you can make some sort of allegorical sense out of those tales. Such is not my calling, but I will say that the only deity of mine I ever heard of winning an argument with the creator was fate herself. She compliments him as a feminine side- the Mara/Marsa (Sounds like Mary, no?) to his Dievs. Let the goddesses never be forgotten.

It does sound a bit Gnostic as well as the old Hebrew thinking where they see Genesis as not a fall but a fall up to man having a moral sense.

Christianity took a good talking snake and made it evil when they consolidated many of the old religions into theirs.

Almost nothing of Christianity is original.

Regards
DL

Yet you are referring to the Old Testament when you speak of a talking snake, aren't you? What bearing could that have on Christian responses to other religions centuries later? I'm confused.

As far as I can see as to how Christians respond to other religions has not changed at all over the years. It has always been --- turn or burn.
Vatican II tried to change old ideas but that seems to have fizzled out since I do not hear of the R C C following through with anything in the west.
The snake, I admit, is a tool for checking just how literal some are so that I do not waste too much time with those who have bought into the fantasy of scripture instead of the allegory.
It is always hard trying to reason with fundamentals and literalists. They tend to idol worship their book without realizing that that is what they are, in reality, doing.

Well, there's a stronger dividing line being established now in Christianity. Old Christianity is Pauline Christianity which follows the teachings of Paul as opposed to the teachings of Jesus Christ. There were alternative Christian doctrines right from the very first, e.g. the Gospel of Thomas, but Paul's wish to have Christianity and Christians accepted as good citizens in the Roman Empire made him make sure Christians kow towed to Roman governmental authority, e.g. Romans 13:1-3 wherein Paul tells Christians their very soul is dependent on them obeying established rulers. A terrible blow to those following the teachings of Jesus Christ who was clearly a model for rebellion against established authority. Under Paul's influence Christianity and Christians joined the Roman Empire under Constantin and that was that for the non-violent reputation of Christians in action. Whatever nincompoop sat on the thrown or Oval Office was an established authority and Christians went off to kill non-Christians and other Christians.

Oddly enough Mother as a Goddess was preserved in strange strangled form within the Catholic Church's adoration of Mary. I recommend those interested in how Catholicism spread so rapidly through Mexico, Central and South America, see the movie La Otra Conquista, The Other Conquest, which shows how Mary was taken as a most powerful Goddess by essentially Goddess worshiping native cultures. Mary is the one who brought Christianity into Latin America, not Jesus Christ.

The old Gnostics preserved worship of Her in the ethereal form of Sophia, Goddess of Wisdom, somewhat stronger than the Shekkinah, the Jewish ethereal form of the Divine Feminine, but both of these goddesses were weak compared to the earth Mother goddesses like Asherah or the Warrior Maiden goddesses like Ishtar or Diana.

(02-04-2010 10:39 PM)biomystic Wrote: Well, there's a stronger dividing line being established now in Christianity. Old Christianity is Pauline Christianity which follows the teachings of Paul as opposed to the teachings of Jesus Christ. There were alternative Christian doctrines right from the very first, e.g. the Gospel of Thomas, but Paul's wish to have Christianity and Christians accepted as good citizens in the Roman Empire made him make sure Christians kow towed to Roman governmental authority, e.g. Romans 13:1-3 wherein Paul tells Christians their very soul is dependent on them obeying established rulers. A terrible blow to those following the teachings of Jesus Christ who was clearly a model for rebellion against established authority. Under Paul's influence Christianity and Christians joined the Roman Empire under Constantin and that was that for the non-violent reputation of Christians in action. Whatever nincompoop sat on the thrown or Oval Office was an established authority and Christians went off to kill non-Christians and other Christians.

Oddly enough Mother as a Goddess was preserved in strange strangled form within the Catholic Church's adoration of Mary. I recommend those interested in how Catholicism spread so rapidly through Mexico, Central and South America, see the movie La Otra Conquista, The Other Conquest, which shows how Mary was taken as a most powerful Goddess by essentially Goddess worshiping native cultures. Mary is the one who brought Christianity into Latin America, not Jesus Christ.

The old Gnostics preserved worship of Her in the ethereal form of Sophia, Goddess of Wisdom, somewhat stronger than the Shekkinah, the Jewish ethereal form of the Divine Feminine, but both of these goddesses were weak compared to the earth Mother goddesses like Asherah or the Warrior Maiden goddesses like Ishtar or Diana.

Interesting.
Thanks for this.

We see Constantine's Church the same way.
They were the same as Hitler's rise to power. Burning books and killing to enforce their views.

Worship of Asherah and Ishtar has survived within the Judeo-Christian traditions, albeit in hidden form. Asherah as the Tree of Life and Ishtar with Easter celebration by Christians which includes such things eating raisin cakes as hot cross buns, Ishtar's favorite munchies according to the Old Testament.

Here's how both EL and Asherah made it from ancient Canaan to modern times.