Bethany: Jersey's pretty far from McHenry, may I ask what brought you here?

Jay: Some fark named John Hughes.

Bethany: "16 Candles" John Hughes?

Jay: You know that guy too? That farkin' guy. He made this flick, "16 Candles". Not bad, there's tits in it but no bush. But Ebert over here don't give a shiat about that kind of thing, 'cause he's like, all in love with this John Hughes guy.

[Silent Bob shakes his head with a "whatever" look on his face]

Jay: He goes out and rents, like, every one of his movies. farkin' "Breakfast Club", where all these stupid kids actually show up for detention. farkin' "Weird Science", where this babe wants to take her gear off and get down, but oh no, she don't, 'cause it's a PG movie. And then "Pretty in Pink", which I can't even watch with this tubby biatch anymore 'cause every time he gets to the part where the redhead hooks up with her dream guy, he starts sobbin' like a little biatch with a skinned knee and shiat. And there's nothing worse than watching a farkin' fat man weep.

[Silent Bob blows out his cigarette smoke angrily]

Bethany: What exactly brought you to Illinois?

Jay: See, all these movies take place in this small town called Shermer in Illinois, where all the honeys are top-shelf but all the dudes are whiny pussies. Except for Judd Nelson, he was farkin' harsh.

[he and Silent Bob bump fists]

Jay: But best of all, there was no one dealin', man. And then it hits me: we could live like FAT rats if we were the blunt connection in Shermer, Illinois. So we collected some money we were owed and caught a bus. But you know what the fark we found out when we got there? There IS no Shermer in Illinois. Movies are farkin' bullshiat.

One of the things that bugs me about the movie was Alison's image makeover at the end. Maybe it is supposed to be symbolic of her willingness to let be people be nice to her and not be such a loner or something, but it's a peeve when I see it today. Thought she looked fine before.

Mark Ratner:One of the things that bugs me about the movie was Alison's image makeover at the end. Maybe it is supposed to be symbolic of her willingness to let be people be nice to her and not be such a loner or something, but it's a peeve when I see it today. Thought she looked fine before.

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Yah, it was the symbolism. I agree she looked hot before the makeover too. But I'm so sorry- I'm going to jack off to that second pic. Again.

Mark Ratner:One of the things that bugs me about the movie was Alison's image makeover

It's a horrible message. Change who you are so the popular boy will like you!

They also all still take advantage of Brian having him write the assignment! They even touch on it in the movie that nothing is going to change. Monday morning Bender and Claire will ignore each other, Emilio Estevez will quietly "break up" with Ally Sheedy when she slips back into her "weirdo" ways and he'll politely nod at Anthony Michael Hall, at best.

Mark Ratner:One of the things that bugs me about the movie was Alison's image makeover at the end. Maybe it is supposed to be symbolic of her willingness to let be people be nice to her and not be such a loner or something, but it's a peeve when I see it today. Thought she looked fine before.

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Claire was second best in this movie. Allison is who I'd be going for.

The one thing that bugged me (but didnt surprise me) was that Claire went for Judd Nelson's character despite him deliberately shiatting all over her. Girls are weird.

OregonVet:Mark Ratner: One of the things that bugs me about the movie was Alison's image makeover at the end. Maybe it is supposed to be symbolic of her willingness to let be people be nice to her and not be such a loner or something, but it's a peeve when I see it today. Thought she looked fine before.

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Yah, it was the symbolism. I agree she looked hot before the makeover too. But I'm so sorry- I'm going to jack off to that second pic. Again.

Should have walked into Molly Ringwalds arms and started to go to town on each other...grab a handful of pixie sticks and head off to the womens room...

buntz:Mark Ratner: One of the things that bugs me about the movie was Alison's image makeover

It's a horrible message. Change who you are so the popular boy will like you!

They also all still take advantage of Brian having him write the assignment! They even touch on it in the movie that nothing is going to change. Monday morning Bender and Claire will ignore each other, Emilio Estevez will quietly "break up" with Ally Sheedy when she slips back into her "weirdo" ways and he'll politely nod at Anthony Michael Hall, at best.

Actually, as I look back at the movie now as an adult, it's really quite brilliant and captures something real about high school kids, and even some young adults. You take a kid from several of the different groups or cliques in a school and put them together, away from the rest of their group for an extended length of time and you'll find that they may start off rough and unfriendly towards each other, but they'll get along and do stuff they normally wouldn't if they were with their chosen group. Once released, they'll go right back to the status quo from before they were separated. The message wasn't "Change who you are and the boy will like you" at all. IIt was a commentary on teenager/young adult behavior.

profplump:Dingleberry Dickwad: It was a commentary on teenager/young adult behavior.

Are you suggesting the same thing doesn't happen to older people in similar social settings?

Not quite. Teen and young adult groups/cliques tend to be more rigid with less crossing over of individuals between groups. As adults, many of those groups just kind of disappear, and you aren't likely to be made fun of by your peers for being around someone dissimilar from you.

For example, Joe is a stereotypical high school jock and Bob is a stereo typical high school nerd/dork/geek. If for some reason Joe were to hang out with Bob of his own free will and not because of a teacher assignment, Joe would typically receive a bit of a hazing from his buddies. If Joe were to continue hanging out with Bob, he would face possible ostracization from his jock buddies. Likewise Bob's buddies would likely be giving him shiat for hanging out with a dumb jock. All this despite it being quite possible that Joe and Bob get along surprisingly well and work ok together.

Now fast forward 10 years. Joe is still a sports nut and Bob is an IT consultant. If the two of them met up again and hung out together no one would think twice about it. Joe's current crop of buddies aren't likely to give him shiat or as much shiat for hanging around a poindexter.

I'll grant you I'm heavily oversimplifying it and going with older school groups as an example. I'm not even going to attempt to implement other social factors like financial standing and so forth. Yes some adults do the same thing, but to a far lesser degree than high school kids.