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What you describe is not low risk, it's NO risk. Every single part of what you describe is not a risk for hiv transmission. What happened is called mutual masturbation and mutual masturbation is not a risk for hiv infection.

Please read through the Welcome Thread and follow the Lesson links so you can become better informed about hiv transmission.

You didn't have a risk. If your lymph glands continue to worry you, see a doctor. In the mean time, keep your hands off them because touching them will cause them to swell and keep them swollen.

"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

i think pre-cum may have gotten on my penis and that could have been the risk

er,

No, sorry, but you are wrong. That is not a risk for hiv infection. Hiv is a fragile, difficult to transmit virus. Successful transmission and infection takes place INSIDE the human body (as in unprotected anal or vaginal intercourse). When the virus is exposed to the environment, it quickly becomes damaged and unable to infect a new host.

Not one person in the 25+ years of this pandemic has ever become infected with hiv through mutual masturbation and you will NOT be the first.

"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

thank you so much Ann for your response, i just have a few questions...

Does lymph sweeling usually come befor/after/or with the flu?

I am still really scared because my right lymph node on my neck is huge and is sticking out of the side of my neck. Well, actually the actual lymph node isnt so big, i think its the skin/fat around it thats big.

Also, r u sure i couldnt get affected by precum getting on my penis head? i had depression for like 3 days and now im seeing that thats a symptom too, i havent seen any other symptoms though as of yet.

thank you so much Ann for your response, i just have a few questions...

Does lymph sweeling usually come befor/after/or with the flu?

I am still really scared because my right lymph node on my neck is huge and is sticking out of the side of my neck. Well, actually the actual lymph node isnt so big, i think its the skin/fat around it thats big.

Also, r u sure i couldnt get affected by precum getting on my penis head? i had depression for like 3 days and now im seeing that thats a symptom too, i havent seen any other symptoms though as of yet.

Er1,

Swollen lymph nodes can be caused by many things, including prodding and poking them. They're not specific to HIV infection. Many HIV+ people don't experience swollen nodes at all. Depression is not a symptom of HIV infection. Please read the lessons on HIV transmission. You'll find the relevant links in our Welcome Thread. You need to understand that there are no specific symptoms of HIV infection as such.

Getting precum on the head of your penis is in no way a risk for HIV infection. As Ann has told you, there is no risk of HIV infection in anything you describe. If you're feeling ill you need to see your doctor and have it checked out.

Yeah, all us with HIV tend to ejaculate pure baking powder. It's really one of the telltale signs. Well, that and the donkey ears.

Get a grip.

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"Many people, especially in the gay community, turn to oral sex as a safer alternative in the age of AIDS. And with HIV rates rising, people need to remember that oral sex is safer sex. It's a reasonable alternative."

Diet, stress, frequency of ejaculation, hydration, all have a lot to do with the consistency of ejaculate. It can be thin, thick, clumpy, even bloody if you are using a dildo or vibrator roughly. None of these things is necessarily unusual (though repeated bloody ejaculation might indicate an injury worth seeing a doctor over, or kidney trouble).

Please read this sentence:

You do not get HIV from mutual masturbation.

No way, no how.

You can get HIV from unprotected anal and/or vaginal sex.

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"Many people, especially in the gay community, turn to oral sex as a safer alternative in the age of AIDS. And with HIV rates rising, people need to remember that oral sex is safer sex. It's a reasonable alternative."

"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

i thank u guys for the responses, its' just that i think u see the mutual masturbation part and run with it, the thing is, i think pre cum got on my penis head and could have went in the opening... thats what has me scared sick, not so much just the mutual masturbation

No we read what you wrote. And to think you are the only guy who got semen or pre-cum on his penis and rubbed it is ludicrous. It's a very common thing to happen. And it does not transmit HIV.

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"Many people, especially in the gay community, turn to oral sex as a safer alternative in the age of AIDS. And with HIV rates rising, people need to remember that oral sex is safer sex. It's a reasonable alternative."

And to think that the rubbing of that pre-cum or semen made it get inside your urethra and resulted in immediate infection is also erroneous thinking. Transmission doesn't happen that way. It never has in over 25 years of this pandemic and you won't be the first.

You had no risk. And yes, I read all your details the first time. If you'll notice, I quoted you in response #3.

"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

You have been advised that it is impossible for hiv to be transmitted this way.

You have been advised that you do not need to test over this as there was no risk.

You have been advised to see a doctor if you have physical concerns that bother you.

Am I missing something? Or are you just not bothering to read any of the responses?

It's sad that you are continuing to fixate on hiv... you know, the thing you absolutely KNOW you DON'T have, when in fact you may have something wrong with you that is easily fixed with a quick trip to the doctor

you do not have hiv... PERIOD. but you could have strep or mono or one a bazillion other issues that needs medical attention.

Until you go to a doctor, continued posting here will earn you a 4 week time out.

HIV is the absolute one thing you don't need to worry about.

How many times do we need to say that? If you choose not to believe it, it is your perogative, but don't expect anyone to answer any more questions you pose, becuase we are just wasting our time.

You do not seek to be educated or informed about transmission risks... you have a complex (0cd) that you are infected.... well.. this isn't a mental health website. we don't cotton to, nor enable, ocd people.

go to a doctor if you have something bothering you. DO NOT POST HERE again till you have.

your thread is becoming a laughingstock... well, it would be if it weren't so sad.

How many times do you plan on asking the exact same question? The answers here aren't going to change. Perhaps you should try a new forum or a psychiatrist if you ocd continues.

and the thing is... when you swap spit with somebody, you can catch a whole bunch of things.... BUT HIV AIN'T ONE OF EM...

Wrap you mind around that fact. This forum is toxic to you and I withdraw from this conversation. I suggest others do as well until you seek the mental therapy you need for your irrational fears.

I agree with dingoboy, and respectfully withdraw from enabling this person any further.

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"Many people, especially in the gay community, turn to oral sex as a safer alternative in the age of AIDS. And with HIV rates rising, people need to remember that oral sex is safer sex. It's a reasonable alternative."

Just for the record guys, I'm sure Dingo meant to say that you MIGHT have a disorder known as OCD. To say that you DO have that disorder would be handing out a diagnosis and of course, nobody can diagnose you over the internet.

You simply MUST see a doctor and you really should seek the face-to-face support of a mental health care professional as well. We cannot diagnose any of your ills over the internet. We can only tell you that you did NOT have a risk of hiv infection through mutual masturbation.

"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

sorry guys for posting again but i was told to post any questions to this topic...

hi guys, i would really like to thank you all for everything. I dont know if u understand it or not but you are really all i have during this tough time in my life, so thanks for being there for me.

now to my question...

Can HIV be transmitted through mutual masturbation WHEN the infected partners pre-cum comes in contact with the uninfected partners urethra? i think this may have happend to me and i am about 75-85% sure the other person had HIV...

also, immediately after i put on my underwear (which were very tight briefs) and the semen did get on the unerwear and could have rubbed on my penis opening while walking...

Also, this morning I woke up with pain in my groin area and i see that I have another swollen lymph node on my upper leg near my groin! i think i am having anxiety attacks now and i am just so scared you guys...

<< Can HIV be transmitted through mutual masturbation WHEN the infected partners pre-cum comes in contact with the uninfected partners urethra? i think this may have happend to me and i am about 75-85% sure the other person had HIV...>>

HIV has never, ever been transmitted through mutual masturbation. Never.

Now, if you have found a novel way to mutually masturbate, that has never, ever been tried in humanity before, I eagerly await the details of this groundbreaking experience.

Seriously, Even using your partner's pre-ejaculatory fluid or semen for lube does not transmit HIV. It can, however, transmit other, more robust pathogens like syphilis and gonnorrhea, HPV (the virus that causes gneital warts) and herpes. But not HIV. No matter what sort of spin you put on it, mutual masturbation is, insofar as HIV is concerned, safer sex. Period.

By the way, you are 75-80% sure the person was HIV? Isn't that a little but, um, Shroedinger of you? I mean, do you practice sexual acts based on the likelihood of your partner's HIV status, or do you go on the assumption that any and all partners are HIV positive until such time as you are in a securely monogamous relationship and test together?

The person's status is irrelevant. YOUR knowledge about HIV and its transmission are the only important facts you need.

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"Many people, especially in the gay community, turn to oral sex as a safer alternative in the age of AIDS. And with HIV rates rising, people need to remember that oral sex is safer sex. It's a reasonable alternative."

On this site, we really don't talk about symptoms because symptoms are useless in determining HIV infection.

And I am thinking that the way you have determined your lymph nodes are swollen is by touch, right?

Stop it.

Touching, prodding, poking, whatever you call it, causes lymph nodes to swell. Lymph nodes also swell during periods of stress. So I urge you to acquaint yourself with the Welcome Thread (I post a link in my signature line) and the transmission lessons regarding HIV infection. That is more or less our Bible here, and its all backed up by the most recent first-tiered, peer-reviewed scientific quantification.

Sorry you are scared. There is absolutely no reason.

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"Many people, especially in the gay community, turn to oral sex as a safer alternative in the age of AIDS. And with HIV rates rising, people need to remember that oral sex is safer sex. It's a reasonable alternative."

actually the way i determined that my nodes were swollen is because i felt pain in them. them when i looked at the one on my neck it looked like it might explode, seriously it was huge and the one on my leg just has theis pain that wont go away.

i think i will go try and go to sleep and not think about this for a while, i promise i wont post anymore for quite a bit, i hope you guys understand what i'm going through though

I've locked your other thread. I'm telling you here so I don't have to bump the other one up by posting to it. Don't start any new threads, ok? Thanks.

Have you read the Welcome Thread yet like you've been repeatedly asked to do? Yes? Good. Because then you will have read the following:

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Anyone who continues to post excessively, questioning a conclusive negative result or no-risk situation, will be subject to a four week Time Out (a temporary ban from the Forums). The purpose of a Time Out is to encourage you to seek the face-to-face help we cannot provide on this forum.

If it takes giving you a time out to get you to seek the appropriate help, such as seeing a doctor about your lymph glands that we cannot possibly diagnose for you, then so be it. Please consider yourself warned.

You did not have a risk of hiv infection. That much we can tell you. See your doctor about the physical things that are bothering you. What ever is going on, it has nothing to do with hiv.

"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

I had a sore throat but it went away and the swelling in my necks nodes has went down, but now i have 3 swollen nodes in my groin area that all hurt. I was reading and I found that with HIV several nodes swell as opposed to other infections where swelling of nodes is usually centralized. I just think that it's all too iornic that I get this swelling 4 weeks from time of exposure...

i think u guys are really overlooking that there WAS a possibility that seminal fluids got into my urethra...

I know you guys ae saying that there was no risk but I just really think that this is too ironic for this stuff to be happening to me now...

OK, so you can "think" what you want to about your symptoms. Of course, those thoughts which you are expressing here have absolutely no basis in HIV science, but that's a mere detail for you I guess.

The point is we've gone as far as we can in addressing your concerns. Your insisting otherwise about your situation is something we can't resolve for you.

I'm wondering how much experience you have had sexually with men, and if it's something you're new to, perhaps all of this panic on your part is related to that. But that's just a guess. What is not a guess is that you were not at risk for HIV in this incident.

As Ann has suggested you should speak to a doctor about the symptoms. For the emotional stuff, which I would say are driving your obsessive concern, you need to talk with a therapist or other professional and get some help sorting things out.

Well I think I will go ahead and "disable" myself for the wait period. In a few weeks I will try one of those Home Access test and see what the result is, if that turns our negative then I will go to the doctor and get checked for other STI's. Thanks everyone for your help. I really appreciate what you all do here.