Number 10 to clarify Cameron nanny row

Great excitement in Westminster today over David Cameron’s Nepalese nanny (as a member of James Brokenshire’s metropolitan elite) and whether the Prime Minister had a role in Gita Lima obtaining British citizenship.

At this morning’s lobby briefing, a Number 10 spokesperson was asked whether Cameron had played a role in getting Lima a British passport. The spokesperson replied that they were ‘not aware’ of any involvement from the PM. Now I understand that Number 10 have checked the relevant documents and are shortly to release a statement confirming that the Camerons did not write a letter in support of their nanny’s passport application. Samantha Cameron was simply named as the nanny’s employer on the application form, as is required.

But what this shows is the danger of clever moralising speeches from ministers, be they on immigration, tax, or marriage. They always trigger a hunt for the ‘hypocrite’ among that minister’s colleagues – in this case, those who employ cheap foreign labour, which Brokenshire appeared to be criticising yesterday. Perhaps in this case, Brokenshire’s speech was awkward for Cameron because relations between Number 10 and the Home Office are so bad that its content wasn’t flagged as being a potential problem.

Probably said before, but why is Cameron, our Prime Minister, not employing a British nanny? We produce the best: nannies wanted throughout the world. Don’t tell me he and Sam can’t afford it.

Terence Hale

Hi,
I quite understand the dilemma of the family Cameron, a “jester” of human rights. I like most mortals hate washing-up, cleaning and ironing. God invented women for such triviality and giving a disproportionate weight to trivial issues is senseless. In a feet of endeavor I have invented a nannymat based on the old 3-86 processor like the liberals it works fine.

IJMO_DS

Apparently Theresa May employs a Brazilian cleaner who became a British citizen.

Daniel Maris

Does Theresa pay her enough to live on, or does she expect the taxpayer to support her cleaner through income support and housing benefit?

Bill Thomas

Re your BBC Politics prog this morning. Why on earth do politicians need to be told to hide their bl**dy papers when walking along Downing Street? What is missing from their brain cells?

Daniel Maris

Civil servants as well.

Surely it would be the first thing on your mind.

James Strong

It wasn’t an accident or mistake.

Conway

That would be a better explanation than mere incompetence.

John_Page

“Relations between Number 10 and the Home Office are so bad that its content wasn’t flagged as being a potential problem.”

Given Theresa May’s reputation for micro-management, it’s inconceivable she didn’t know what the speech would say.

Rockin Ron

Just great. This from a PM who, famously claimed, ‘We’re all in this together.”

Tim Reed

…by ‘all’ he obviously meant the whole damn world, who he’s happy to see imported, presumably.

Frank

What I love about this story is that you would think that Dave and Sam might, just might, be smart enough to realise that having any part at all in their nanny’s application for citizenship could only land them in the doodah.
Have we had an abject confession from Mrs May that she also assisted her nanny to get citizenship, from Nick Clegg, etc, etc?

Thatcherite Lee

It’s a legal requirement to have details of their employer on the application form. Do you suggest the Camerons should have broken the law by hiding her employment with them?

southerner

The useless un-conservatives plumb new depths. Their new immigration minister makes his first speech pointing out the metropolitan elite have benefited the most from immigration and the rest of the week Number 10 and various cabinet ministers are revealed to be among the culprits and spend their time fielding questions from the press. Useless May is on the front pages this morning.
Look how many comments Camerluvvies like Hooky has posted just on this thread.
The government has nothing to do. No point Liz spending the time getting all dressed up and coming to the House for the Queen’s speech. Be easier just to send us all a brief text.

Kitty MLB

I would like to make the point as a Classical Conservative that I am
not an apologist for the Camservatives or a Pavlov dog!
But I have every right to support the care of a dying child regardless
of whom his parents happen to be.
If this person was the best women for that very sad and difficult job then
so be it, and I would even feel the same if the poor mites parent was Brown.
Some here are being very spiteful and vindictive.

Does that proposal encompass cocaine snorting, alcoholiic and heroin using MPs?

Retired Nurse

प्रहरी बोलाउनुहोस् (he can get his kids to translate that for him)

ogga1

He simply does not like the English/GB nation.

McClane

Pure coincidence, Isabel Hardman, but are you related to the Jane Hardman who was seen dining with her partner, Sir Alan Parker, and the Camerons at a roof-top restaurant in Stratford on Avon recently?

Some seem to forget she , I believe was employed
to look after their very sick little boy, and I am
Sure regardless of what one thinks of Cameron
that they paid for the little mites care out of their
own pocket.

Agrippina

They claimed DLA for him and the local authority provided the adaptations to his home and respite carer, a Brit, paid for by us tax payers. If you want to defend someone make sure you have the facts.

HookesLaw

So can everyone. Usual sour faced comments from the nutjobs.

ogga1

Doing a cameron, sticks and stones,etc.

HookesLaw

Your misery guts don’t bother me.

the viceroy’s gin

…will Dave’s head mounted on a spike 14 months from now bother you?

Thatcherite Lee

Like the fact the Camerons are also taxpayers?

Rockin Ron

Ivan Cameron was disabled, not sick. Get your facts straight. At least remember the child’s name.

Kitty MLB

He was a poorly little mite, I did not know him personally &
he was not in pubic life. So I shall refrain from over-familiarity.

Rockin Ron

How is being cloying and patronising by using phrases like ‘poorly sickly mite’ and ‘very sick little boy’ not being over familiar?

CraigStrachan

Ms Lima was hired by the Camerons to help look after Ivan, which she evidently did with some skill and dedication. She seems like exactly the kind of person Britain needs.

Lady Magdalene

I fail to see how you can draw the conclusion that she is exactly the kind of person Britain needs. Why do we need to import nannies? They are hardly going to make a meaningful contribution to our economy.
She was obviously exactly the kind of person the Cameron’s needed ….. and that may well have had something to do with the fact that she was prepared to work far more cheaply than a British nanny.

CraigStrachan

How do you know what her salary is?

Lady Magdalene

I said “MAY well have SOMETHING to do with the fact that she was prepared to work far more cheaply than a British nanny.”
The fact remains that an immigrant nanny does not qualify as “the brightest and the best” – which is the kind of immigrants Cameron says the country needs ….. ignoring the fact that we are attracting millions of low-skilled workers who enter the country in search of a better life …. which the settled population is paying a very high price towards.

HJ777

To be fair, we don’t know what qualifications (or lack of qualifications) Cameron’s nanny has.

Well-qualified nannies can demand high wages and work anywhere in the world (which is what my wife did before I met her). On the other hand, some people want to pay less than they would for a cleaner…

CraigStrachan

Okay, so you were merely speculating about her salary. I in turn speculate that it would have been above-average, given the extra demands placed by the needs of a severely disabled child.

Now, how do you know that Ms Lima is not among the best and brightest carers? Or is it simply that you regard all carers as dullards?

HookesLaw

I imagine we need to import nannies because we are not training enough of them ourselves, or those that we do prefer to go to work in some exotic location abroad.

Kitty MLB

Wholeheartedly Agree.

HJ777

But do we know that the ‘imported’ nanny is qualified?

If she’s not, then your point is hardly valid since there are plenty of unqualified UK citizens.

Daniel Maris

Maybe, but there are probably at least a billion people in the world who could add something good to this country. Are we going to invite them all in?

HookesLaw

Stupir pointlkess remark. As ever. What a crass place this is becoming, infested as it is with kipperesque numpties.

Daniel Maris

It’s a perfectly valid point to make. In a world of billions, you can’t just say it’s nice to let nice people come live here…you have to say how many. Currently the figure is running at 500,000 per annum. Is that just right, too many or not enough?

I don’t accept the question is irrelevant, and neither do 70% of the British people.

HookesLaw

Of course its not valid – in a country of 60 million maybe we will all emigrate.

500,000 are not coming to live here. The majority of visas are for students. EU migrants are transient. Some will stay but many will return to their own countries. Many immigrants are former migrants returning.

Daniel Maris

If you want to play the numbers game how about the semi-permanent residents from all the corrpt regimes all around the world: Russia, China, Saudi Arabia etc. How about the hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants.

Daniel Maris

I think the number of students who stay is something like 80%.

Most immigrants are in their 20s and 30s and soon have children after arriving here. So before you know it 2 becomes 4 or more – hence our out of control population rise, the biggest ever seen in this country. The population is rising about 500,000 per annum.

Because we are a small island that has to import a lot of its food, and which does not have much suitable land for building, and which is already huddled in old crowded urban centres (which makes infrastructure costs very high), this population growth is impoverishing us, not enriching us. That’s why disposable income is continuing to fall even though we are coming out of a recession.

ogga1

You are talking cameroneese.

HookesLaw

More misery guts – maybe I should employ someone from China to do my typing.

Daniel Maris

Judging from your other post I think you did.

HookesLaw

Sorry to show off but I have a new tablet and I can’t type for toffee at the best of times without spending double the time correcting myself.

And several billion who would only damage this country. We need an immigration policy that discriminates between the two.

Kitty MLB

I cannot believe the utter piddle sticks that posters
are saying here: ‘ cheap immigrant labour,
‘The working classes pay for this’, ‘she is not English’ etc..
Regardless of the issues regarding immigration and employment,
this is no one’s goddammed business.
The wretched man may work in public life but whoever
looks after his children is no one elses business, and
you may chose cheap Labour to fix the roof but not look
after your precious children .

Ron Todd

If the money he uses to pay the nanny comes from the tax payer then the tax payer can legitimately consider it their business.

John Lea

Of course it’s our business you pompous idiot. This story cuts to the very heart of the immigration debate. If the PM of this country is financially benefitting from immigration – legal or otherwise – that should be investigated. The point is that the people who tend to benefit from mass immigration are the wealthy (and clearly in many cases the political class), while those who suffer are the low-paid and low-skilled.

Agrippina

You are absolutely right. It’s our business because he is PM elected to deal with our issues as citizens of this country. Not to enrich himself and ignore the very real issue effecting us, namely too much immigration and his last nanny was aussie.

IJMO_DS

You forget he has power of the Home Office, who ultimately decide who leaves and who stays. Do as I say not as I do.

GraveDave

I think it’s just Dave and Sham not thinking clearly. Remember the baby left behind at the pub. The ‘selfies’ with Obama. And all that gay marriage and ‘green crap’.

HookesLaw

The pub – this is the pub that some say Cameron never visits?

GraveDave

Course he visits the pub. Just not the sort of pubs would let me in.

HookesLaw

Was he even leader of the Conservative Party when Ivan was born?

HookesLaw

Dear Kitty – the ‘she is not english’ line is the default position by kipper numpties.

ogga1

Again cameronesses, you type people naver learn, maybe after the 22May your attention will be focused.

HookesLaw

Why should the antics of a party of thick racist bigots worry me?

As for Farage – this is the man who wants your Euro vote but never turns up in the Euro parliament to do anything with it.

Are you new to this UKIP/Farage smearing
campaign because your material is so old hat.

HookesLaw

But true all the same. Funny how Saint Nigel must be immune to all criticism and when you – do oh dear me its a smear. You really are deep into the cult aren’t you.

He behaves like something straight out of the Blair / Ecclestone playbook and its suddenly oh so passée to complain.

Noa

Well Hooky, Mr Farage is the leader of a small party with no Parliamentary representation, wheras Mr Cameron is the Prime Minister and leader of the party with the biggest number of MPs and nominally at least, he runs the country, until next year.

So why are you trying to make the two equivalent, or are you just anticipating?

Noa

“Why should the antics of a party of thick racist bigots worry me?”
Yes indeed. why does it? Surely they should be beneath you and the soaring ethics and intellect of your beloved David, the employer of cheap Philipino labour.

Kitty MLB

‘ cheap Philipino Labour’
A comment very much beneath a gentleman of your integrity,
Noa.
It’s apparently very difficult to find the right carer with the capabilities and ability to make a connection with a dying
child, especially one with that little mites issues.
Somehow this has become about Cameron the man,
and immigration rather then simply one women caring for
a poor little boy who lived a very short life.

Noa

What was the key determinant between them in the contract of employment? We can see that it wasn’t the maid’s qualifications.
But you’re right, it was cheap ex-Nepalese labour, not Philipina,
And was one of the implied terms in her contract support from Downing Street for her passport application?
Do you think we will ever find out?

the viceroy’s gin

They may have, but I think they assumed they might be able to Leveson it all away. That’s their ultimate plan, apparently.

edward

Dave is just in politics for his personal enrichment. He lives in a completely different world to us plebs – as this shows.

Thatcherite Lee

So the millions of us are not in work for our own personal enrichment?
Because if that’s what you think then I beg to differ.

Halix

I’m not in work for personal enrichment, but for survival. Very few reach that level of Maslow.

Kitty MLB

Eh! Yes you would expect the first minister
of the Queen to live in a different world to everyone
else, they have a tendency not to turn up in the local
pub.This is the issue of expecting everyone to
be like you. The plague of Tony Blair.

ogga1

“Not to turn up at the local pub”
And there could lie the problem and the answer.

HookesLaw

No it could not. And indeed Cameron does go to the pub – he took Hollande to one.
Go away and come back when you have grown up. Only an infant would cheer Saint ‘Terry Thomas’ Nigel.

ogga1

So juvenile.

HookesLaw

A garbage comment floating on a crass cesspit of garbage comments made by an endless stream of undredged loony tune pea brains.

But your problem is that 70% of the great British public identify this as the top political priority. So if we are nutjobs then so are the great British public…

the viceroy’s gin

I think this muppet is on Farage’s payroll. That’s the only possible explanation, as he’s the best UKIP recruiter that money could possibly buy.

BarkingAtTreehuggers

And you are the best airhead Putin/the Tea Party (yes, they have fully congruent interests on British soil) could sponsor. It’s obvious.

the viceroy’s gin

…what are you blathering about now, lad?

BarkingAtTreehuggers

Blairite Britain the lapdog of Obama?
Of course not, Cameron’s Britain is Putin’s lapdog now – 40% of all coal imports clarify that. Without those imports ‘the lights would go out’. Of course you are in favour of either scenario, pal.
It’s obvious — with everything you write elsewhere. Anything but a strong Britain in an even stronger Europe.

the viceroy’s gin

Impenetrable gibberish again, lad. You best go find your translator.

BarkingAtTreehuggers

No, you understand well, pal.
The pro EU types (a clear majority) understand that you represent the Tea Party – Putin axis of evil.
You will of course be ignored, like you always are.

Dave has money, family, but I do not see him gaining any ‘personal enrichment’ in his working life, so I think you are a bit wonky in your thinking.

I do however, 100% agree with your last line.

Agrippina

His 1st job after uni was at tory office, thanks to a word from his aunt the lady in waiting to the Queen (Dugdale).

When his term is over he will go onto the various boards of companies due to his current position.

BarkingAtTreehuggers

Exactly, losers are affected most. And winners are too, gainfully.

Now, will the losers kindly crawl back into their caves of obscurity and let the doers get on with making da money?

Pier66

You’re wrong Dave is in Politics to save this country from labour and lib dem!

Lady Magdalene

I wonder if Mr Cameron would like to explain to the British people why their Nanny qualifies as being one of the “brightest and the best.” Perhaps she has a Masters Degree in Nannying?
It rather sounds like she was just cheap immigrant labour. And that’s UKIP’s (and now Mr Brokenshire’s) point.
The Elite benefit from mass immigration; it keeps wages low. The working classes pay for it, in more ways than one.

Agrippina

Cameron’s last nanny was from Australia, he just can’t find a suitable nanny in the UK. We only have 3million plus unemployed but no-one good enough for his children.

Kitty MLB

Indeed no one is ever good enough for ones own
children and rightly so.

IJMO_DS

Maybe there are no yes sir / no sir British nanny’s. Anyway what does Samantha do all day, why can’t she look after her own children? Dave could let Nick cover for him if he had to look after them for a while.

Agrippina

Design expensive bags for her directorship at Smythson’s of Bond St. I doubt if any of the working class could afford to buy anything from that shop. A lovely bag named nancy after her daughter will set you back £5k.

BarkingAtTreehuggers

Then how about taking the job Lady M?
Why not just take.the.job?
You won’t? Why not?

Are you making a case for socialist wage control by sector?
What are you making a case for?
All you are saying is that YOU won’t work for nowt (!) but then you don’t want to pay for nowt either (!!!)

Full size socialist nutjobs you UKIP lot are.

Lady Magdalene

Because I’m gainfully employed elsewhere in the economy.

BarkingAtTreehuggers

Not you ‘you’ Lady M? Why are the punters not bothering about getting gainful employment? It appears to me this is an ‘in-house’ issue. Sort yourself out.

the viceroy’s gin

…it’s amusing that the schizophrenic with a basketful of screen names is talking about “nutjobs”.

Did you take a vote of all your alter egos to approve that comment, lad?

BarkingAtTreehuggers

what are you on about, johnny?
I mix you up, you should be grateful.

the viceroy’s gin

…yes, everybody’s grateful for you socialist nutters, lad.

BarkingAtTreehuggers

Just rebalancing your Tea Party – Putin axis of evil, pal.

Kitty MLB

Nothing can beat a good ole madhatters
tea party you know, the more fruitcake,
and the more nutty the better.
Beats the old Leftie vicar tea parties.

the viceroy’s gin

No, indecipherable again. Can any other of you socialist nutters help with the translation here?

some here have lady issues and like to appear
the knuckle dragging type so would love that invite
especially if neo N Types are in attendance.
As well as a few lefties .

the viceroy’s gin

…that’s more decipherable than your usual, but nowhere near worth bothering with, lad.

BarkingAtTreehuggers

it’s not any more or less decipherable than the rest, pal.

And of course we will not bother with it, we will just acknowledge what we knew all along. You are a Putin-Tea Party double agent, with everything you fabricate, you гайка работа.

the viceroy’s gin

…no, this gibberish is definitely a setback, lad. You seemed to be making progress, too.

Lady Magdalene

From the DT ” the Camerons have now provided direct employment for at least two foreign domestic staff, including Miss Lima – who is not known to have arrived in the country with any significant educational or vocational qualifications. ”
So not one of the brightest and the best then. But no doubt cheap.

Noa

Isobel.

“…relations between Number 10 and the Home Office are so bad that its content wasn’t flagged as being a potential problem.”

Really? First I knew about it, not that that’s saying much. Please expound, your final tidbit is the most interesting aspect of this oleaginous tale of the nanny state.

BarkingAtTreehuggers

Isobel? now where have I heard that before?

Noa

…necessary on a bicycle?

Ta, corrected

the viceroy’s gin

…the Londonistan bubble is finally accepting that Dave’s history, and now they’re trying to protect their other favs, such as in the Home Office, so they don’t get flushed when Dave does. So you’ll likely see some bubble-fantasized “strained relations” between various members of the bubble clan and Dave. Best to ignore the pantomime.

IJMO_DS

The minister was right to say what he said, it’s not his fault his boss in one of them too. I want to know how much he pays her and whether she came here under Tier 5 i.e. foreign servant. Theresa changed the rules so they can’t switch employer. If he wanted to keep her she would need citizenship or settlement.

HookesLaw

The minister himself is ‘one of them too’ in many ways. The plain fact is that for people in work and seeking the use of the service industry then immigration is a boon. For skilled people looking to maximise their potential then the easy opportunity of work abroad is a great oppotunity as well. For people who want to retire overseas then more ‘open’ borders is a great idea.
The numbers of jobs in the economy has continued to rise. The main sufferers are those on benefits who are disincentivised to search for work. The way immigration works alongside the benefits system has corrupted these people.
I suppose nosy people who like to listen in on tube conversations suffer as well.

Lady Magdalene

The main sufferers are the working class British people who find themselves being crowded out of the jobs market; their children crowded out of schools; anyone who tries to use the NHS and discovers that there is a lengthy wait for an appointment to see a doctor or a 6 hr wait in A & E.
Young British people trying to buy their first home; either in an inflated housing market or trying to rent (demand being driven up by an influx of foreigners). Not a hope, if they expect to get social housing: immigrant families “needs” take priority over a British couple with no children.
Then there are Communities which find they are being overwhelmed by immigrants, totally changing the character of their town/village, resulting in a breakdown in social cohesion.
Mass immigration is ruining the UK and the British people know it. But the political class and Big Business don’t care.

BarkingAtTreehuggers

Are we having yet another ‘I love going out in NY, love all the food there and the people who produce it but I hate Mexicans’ moment?

Lady Magdalene

No.

BarkingAtTreehuggers

Oh yes you are!

HookesLaw

I’ve never had a lengthy wait to see my doctor.

Labours lax immigtration policy and their willingness to park people on benefits was a disgrace – not least to their own constituency.
In terms of the current immigration numbers there are larger numbers of student visas than work visas and for instance a lot of these are from the USA. Most are from China. We make money out of them.
The USA and Australia count for a significant number of work related visas after India.

There has been a massive fall in student numbers from Pakistan and India which shows the bogus students that Labour did not bother about have been stopped by this govt.

BarkingAtTreehuggers

Bingo.
‘Labour’s lax immigration policy and their willingness to park people on benefits was a disgrace’

Come on chaps, you must agree – everyone who will not must be a UKIP nutjob.

AnotherDave

Everyone has suffered.

John Reid admitted in a recent TV interview that one of the objectives of Labour’s open door immigration policy was to lower wages paid to UK workers.

No you numpty, the main sufferers are our own kids who cant get jobs here in the land of their birth. This problem is shown up by people like the Camerons who dont give a monkey`s about them and are happy to give jobs to foreigners. Is Dave seriously trying to tell us no British Nanny fitted his bill??..well not at the price he was willing to pay..and you constantly berate people for not voting for him……Dear God

HookesLaw

Cobblers – there are lots of jobs in the economy. More are employed than ever.

GraveDave

Have you been looking up IDS’ arse-hole again.

HookesLaw

Never mind IDS – Tony Benn’s f@rts make more sense than any of your comments.

Holly

Why do you need to know how much Samantha Cameron pays her nanny?
It is none of our business.
They are their children and it is well within reasonable boundaries for them to decide who they employ to do such an important job.

How the nanny was allowed into the UK is a different matter, and we DO have a right to know that.

Mynydd

What is my business is; does she live in 10 Downing Street or other public buildings and is it rent free, does she claim benefits,

Conway

Hasn’t she got citizenship?

Ron Todd

As long as the political class benefit from cheap immigrant labour they will never get serious about controlling immigration.

HookesLaw

That’s an idle notion.

John Lea

No it isn’t, it’s spot on. Cui bono?

IJMO_DS

What we need is cheap east European journalists and politicians. If they were forced to take a wage cut because their jobs were under pressure from people who were prepared to work for less, they would soon change their tune.

Agrippina

It is simple we simply stop voting for the trio of troughers who clean us out with their expense claims and then eventually, they may realise they work for us.