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Hi there. Anyone can put in first post, or post here info how start with new font rendering?

Just add "fontconfig -cleartype ubuntu" use flags, remerge what need it, remerge for example firefox and should work? IIRC I have been using it a long time ago and there was need to use eselect fontconfig but now I see sub-pixel conf's there.

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Hi there. Anyone can put in first post, or post here info how start with new font rendering?

Just add "fontconfig -cleartype ubuntu" use flags, remerge what need it, remerge for example firefox and should work? IIRC I have been using it a long time ago and there was need to use eselect fontconfig but now I see sub-pixel conf's there.

You should definitely play with eselect fontconfig to find your favorite settings.

SlashBeast wrote:

Also, @bi3l why you using tar to publish your overlay? I think a way better would be put it in git, at github for example and it will make super easy to merge your overlay into another.

There is no good answer to that question, except because I'm a bit lazy. I'll switch to github or gitorious one day or another.

The more I read this thread, the less I understand any of it. I've tried installing from the overlays mentionned in this thread but I couldn't see any difference in KDE. Could anyone be kind enough to take a couple of screenshot both with antialiasing and full hinting, one with the default Gentoo stuff (with the cleartype use flag) and another with any of devnull/lcd-filtering/callisto overlays (as it seems they all share the same patches?) to highlight the difference between the two? That would be really great, thanks!

I've been tweaking my ~/.fonts.conf a lot recently, and here it is - any decent feedback?

I'm especially interested in fontconfig ruleset tweaks, if anyone has them, for fonts that I've ignored, or where they greatly disagree with my choice (then we'll get into the complexities of e.g. DPI, screen resolutions, font versions, etc.).

I've been tweaking my ~/.fonts.conf a lot recently, and here it is - any decent feedback?

I was testing your config earlier, some fonts are still too fat. Example: the font of the name of the blog isn't fat, that's good, but the headline is. I'm running Windows and configuring my fonts in Linux in VirtualBox, so I can compare easily.

My bad. I later found out it was tahoma and I didn't have that installed.

I've been testing a lot of different stuff lately, using your conf as a guide. Not that I mind, but issuing the kill command over and over again (kill, kill, kill, kill, kill, kill...) makes me a bit uneasy.

I like your conf, and it pretty much renders stuff correctly as far as I can tell, but it does make everything look too thin. Perhaps preferential, but I do like my fonts to look slightly fuzzy. (Rather too fuzzy than too thin.) I'm using my own fonts.conf right now, using anti-alias, rgb, hintslight, and hintnone for Arial specifically. Testing this stuff out isn't the easiest thing to do. Is there a website that displays fonts that are used very often in their oft-used sizes? That would make comparing fonts between Windows and Linux so much easier.

Too fat or too thin, based on whether we use hintmedium or hintfull Maybe we need hintabitmorebutnottoomuch

Well, state specific examples, so I can look at tweaking them. Within the confines of what fontconfig provides, obviously.

Arial is the font that I hate the most - it won't look great when small, no matter what options are chosen. Most of my font-specific tweaking is for Arial small/bold, at e.g. digg. I think I might even replace it (with Calibra? Liberation Sans?).

It will be easy to create a test HTML page (example), and I'll do this soon. Also, typetester may be useful.

A lot of this also depends on the Xorg driver being used. I've tested nouveau and nvidia, the former has absolutely no anti-aliasing, the latter does have some form of anti-aliasing in nvidia-settings. Though I am not sure how and to what decides applying it. I like microfonts (really tiny) and the Nouveau driver made them blurry and had some sort of glitch where in terminals bold r's would stick out like an overgrown wart full of hair.

Using 'nvidia-settings' I have anti-aliasing at max and now changed to 'Use Application Settings', it was set to 'Override Applications Settings'.

so ppl, please bear this in mind when making accusations about fonts!! radeonhd, fglrx, nvidia, nouveau, vesa, your screen resolution etc, there isn't a silver bullet to fix ALL fonts in ALL systems.

Also another thing I've noticed is that some settings only take effect after re-starting X. For instance testing terminal fonts xrdb -load .Xdefaults just changes the font but not the hinting and anti-aliasing settings that are either in .Xdefaults or .fonts.conf file.

Having said that, I am using for my terminal Inconsolata font and firefox uses the following:

nvidia-settings is for opengl anti-aliasing - this thread is talking about 2D apps like Abiword, Openoffice, geany, etc. What apps are you using, in which nvidia-settings' anti-aliasing affects text rendering?

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Also another thing I've noticed is that some settings only take effect after re-starting X

Wrong. You just need to restart the app (maybe you had multiple xterms open, and need to close every instance?). This is easily proved in e.g. qtconfig:

That is most certainly absolute nonsense. Try the sample font HTML I provided above, and experiment with your settings, and you'll see that some fonts need e.g. hintslight/hintfull to prevent looking ugly or too bold, whereas other fonts may need e.g. autohint (a good example is Luxi Sans at Market Ticker, which looks ridiculously mis-shapen with hintmedium instead of hintslight). Look at my ~/.fonts.conf above, and you'll see the tweaks that I've found that can be used to improve the look of the fonts.

In other news, I've updated my ~/.fonts.conf above to replace Arial *sometimes*, because it looks so poor when small/bold and cannot be fixed, and it's so ubiquitous that I cannot tolerate its ugliness, when other fonts manage to look decent at the same size

nvidia-settings is for opengl anti-aliasing - this thread is talking about 2D apps like Abiword, Openoffice, geany, etc. What apps are you using, in which nvidia-settings' anti-aliasing affects text rendering?

oops, you are right I got confused then. I assumed anti-aliasing always referred to fonts LAWL!! Didn't think linux actually HAD 3D games needing anti-aliasing and associated games and anti-aliasing with m$$ games.