Comments on: Editor Deleted Post of J Street U Students’ Misconducthttp://www.jewishpress.com/news/editor-deleted-post-of-j-street-u-students-misconduct/2013/12/10/
News of the Jews, Israel & the WorldTue, 03 Mar 2015 22:42:56 +0000hourly1http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.3By: Anonymoushttp://www.jewishpress.com/news/editor-deleted-post-of-j-street-u-students-misconduct/2013/12/10/#comment-76860
Mon, 16 Dec 2013 16:29:46 +0000http://www.jewishpress.com/?p=156397#comment-76860There's a special place in Gehinnom for members of JStreet and the rasha who funds them, George Soros.
]]>By: Anonymoushttp://www.jewishpress.com/news/editor-deleted-post-of-j-street-u-students-misconduct/2013/12/10/#comment-76861
Mon, 16 Dec 2013 16:29:46 +0000http://www.jewishpress.com/?p=156397#comment-76861There's a special place in Gehinnom for members of JStreet and the rasha who funds them, George Soros.
]]>By: Anonymoushttp://www.jewishpress.com/news/editor-deleted-post-of-j-street-u-students-misconduct/2013/12/10/#comment-74831
Wed, 11 Dec 2013 06:36:39 +0000http://www.jewishpress.com/?p=156397#comment-74831you wanna write an op-ed that is a personal attack every time someone is rude then? im not a J-Streeter, but jeez calm down. "according to multiple reports" were you even at the event? because i was and all i heard was a challenge by philip, a response by raz, and a subsequent comment from the "breaking the silence" spokesperson saying "you're wrong" (something that has yet to be reported) followed by J streeters clapping. so things got a little out of hand in the moment, but i dont think dwelling on that and complaining about one person's behavior is very helpful, do you?
]]>By: Lloyd Bergnerhttp://www.jewishpress.com/news/editor-deleted-post-of-j-street-u-students-misconduct/2013/12/10/#comment-74670
Tue, 10 Dec 2013 21:52:27 +0000http://www.jewishpress.com/?p=156397#comment-74670J Street Jewish activists who attend Brandeis and other "institutions of higher learning",with their crass,denigrating comments about Israel, would soon recant if they attended the virulent, vitriolic Jew bashing Al-Kuds University in East Jerusalem.
]]>By: Dor Cohenhttp://www.jewishpress.com/news/editor-deleted-post-of-j-street-u-students-misconduct/2013/12/10/#comment-74499
Tue, 10 Dec 2013 13:14:12 +0000http://www.jewishpress.com/?p=156397#comment-74499In an article recently published in The Jewish Exponent, the co-presidents of the Brandeis University chapter of JStreet U, Eli Philip and Catie Stewart, stated that the Jewish community on college campuses values unity over values and necessary debate. Their major example was a disagreement between Philip and Barak Raz, a former spokesman for the Israeli Defense Forces, at a recent event at Brandeis over the nature of checkpoints in the disputed territories.
First off, I would like to apologize to the audience that was subjected to the intellectual dishonesty that Philip and Stewart provided in their article. This manipulation of fact is not an accurate representation of the academic standard at Brandeis University. Philip failed to mention that the “student leader” referred to in their article was Philip himself. Also absent from their article is that fact Philip came to the event over an hour late and missed Raz’s explanation about what constitutes a checkpoint versus security position, thereby not understanding what Raz meant when he said there were no more checkpoints in the West Bank, and that the only students who clapped after Philip’s interruption were his fellow JStreet members. There was no support for his statement from other members of the student body that were present. Another conspicuously missing article of information was the fact that the day after the event Philip took to social media to personally attack Raz and call him an outright liar.
Philip and Stewart do not understand the difference between fact and opinion. What for them is a “checkpoint” designed to discriminate against Palestinians is for Raz, and many others, a security position necessary to protect Israel from terrorist attacks. Barak Raz, in a response to Philip’s Facebook attack, stated,
“Of the 44 checkpoints that divided the West Bank and prevented free traffic between Palestinian cities that once existed, essentially none are left…What you have are ten positions which remain…they are better likened to forward positions that can look for a vehicle when AND IF there is related intelligence.”
What Stewart and Philip don’t realize is that it they themselves who are causing the tension within the pro-Israel tent at Brandeis. The other members of the tent are not telling JStreet to not voice its opinions, as Philip believes, but rather to voice them with civility and the professional manner expected from the head of a campus organization. What was at issue was not the beliefs that Philip and Stewart hold, but rather how they expressed them. As Raz himself stated, “Criticism is fine, even necessary in a democracy (Israel), however, your criticisms would be better served when presented in a way that falls in line with basic behavioral norms.” Philip, according to multiple reports, was disruptive from the moment he set foot into the event, which, again, was over an hour after it began. The hypocrisy here is astounding: Philip and Stewart allege that it is their voices being shut down; generally, however, interrupting someone means not allowing them to speak their mind. JStreet members are allowed to repress the views of others, but when their own viewpoints are challenged they retreat into a victim position. I hope that in the future Philip and Stewart can give a more accurate perspective of events rather than slanting the story to fit their narrative.
Philip and Stewart further asserted, “When having pro-Israel unity consistently means we must compromise on our democratic and Jewish values, perhaps it is time we forego it.” In this they are correct – if JStreet refuses to cooperate with other pro-Israel groups in an appropriate manner, perhaps it is time the pro-Israel community foregoes its connection with JStreet, an organization that seems to only promote views contrary to the very meaning of what being “pro-Israel” is.
]]>By: Eliyahu Ben Abrahamhttp://www.jewishpress.com/news/editor-deleted-post-of-j-street-u-students-misconduct/2013/12/10/#comment-74497
Tue, 10 Dec 2013 13:07:03 +0000http://www.jewishpress.com/?p=156397#comment-74497Peace movements often serve to bring about war, according to this article at link. There was even a "Peace Now movement" during WW2 in America that was pro-Nazi. J Street says it is "pro-Israel and pro-peace." We know that it is not pro-Israel. According to this article, it may be pro-war.

]]>By: Eliyahu Ben Abrahamhttp://www.jewishpress.com/news/editor-deleted-post-of-j-street-u-students-misconduct/2013/12/10/#comment-74494
Tue, 10 Dec 2013 12:58:59 +0000http://www.jewishpress.com/?p=156397#comment-74494The truth about J Street is that it is a tool of wealthy, powerful Judeophobes. Some of its funding comes from the likes of George Soros who collaborated with Nazis in Budapest during the war. Some comes from persons close to the Iranian ayatollahs' regime. J Street's leader, Jeremy Ben Ami, openly stated that he had Obama's back. Obama uses the vast power of the US Government to unjustly pressure Israel to surrender Jewish human and civil rights in the Jewish homeland, the Land of Israel, specifically in Judea-Samaria. Olbama and Kerry's policy favors anti-Jewish racism and anti-Jewish apartheid. After all, if Jews can't live in their own ancestral homeland, then where do they have the right to live?? In other words, Obama & Co. also threaten the human and civil rights of Jews in the United States –and elsewhere in the world. Recall that US policy toward saving Jews during the Holocaust was NOT to save them. That was the policy of Franklin Delano Roosevelt, one of Obama's idols. And Obama in turn is the idol of Jeremy Ben Ami of J Street. So J Street works for the enemies of the Jews and J Street favors anti-Jewish racism and apartheid.
]]>By: Gil Gilmanhttp://www.jewishpress.com/news/editor-deleted-post-of-j-street-u-students-misconduct/2013/12/10/#comment-74461
Tue, 10 Dec 2013 09:31:10 +0000http://www.jewishpress.com/?p=156397#comment-74461All I am seeing here from J street sympathizers is censure and censoriousness, meaning they can "dish it out," but they can't take it, a sure sign of a weak argument. I wasn't standing in Hitler's bunker, but surely i have a right to argue the merits of the historical record, as does H Fragman Abramson. But no worries, their casual thought process is undoubtedly an adolescent mistake they will eventually out grow.
]]>By: Natan Epsteinhttp://www.jewishpress.com/news/editor-deleted-post-of-j-street-u-students-misconduct/2013/12/10/#comment-74416
Tue, 10 Dec 2013 07:24:38 +0000http://www.jewishpress.com/?p=156397#comment-74416First of all it was rude by him to enter in the middle and then claim that Barak Raz was lying when in fact Barak stated that had this student entered the lecture at the beginning he would have heard that Barak had addressed the checkpoint issue , further more, insisting on asking a question that focuses specifically on the "Checkpoint" issue shows exactly what type of organization is J-street, it is an anti israel organization .
]]>By: Natan Epsteinhttp://www.jewishpress.com/news/editor-deleted-post-of-j-street-u-students-misconduct/2013/12/10/#comment-74406
Tue, 10 Dec 2013 07:16:56 +0000http://www.jewishpress.com/?p=156397#comment-74406and so the face of "J street Hooligans " is shown and proven right here…. Please guys the j-street people are swarming like bees here, they need to be taught a lesson by combating with written words their lies, so please respond to them on each comment they make here , its important .
]]>By: Yori Yanoverhttp://www.jewishpress.com/news/editor-deleted-post-of-j-street-u-students-misconduct/2013/12/10/#comment-74404
Tue, 10 Dec 2013 07:06:58 +0000http://www.jewishpress.com/?p=156397#comment-74404liam194894 – By stating "Are there checkpoints in the West Bank? Yes" you are not promoting a productive conversation, rather you are forcing the reader to ignore facts and context in favor of a yes/no, court room type question. You're entitled to do it, but you cannot possibly say you're promoting discussion.

The difference between the former checkpoint policy, which was essentially preventive, and the new policy, which is based on specific, localized intelligence information, is that the former made life very difficult for Arab and also Jewish residents on an ongoing basis — while the current approach is less annoying and restrictive. Those are the facts appears to have been making, only to be ignored — as you are ignoring the information now.

You may say that since you disapprove of Israeli rule in the disputed territories, anything Israel would do there is inherently illegal — but Israel's right to the territories is not the topic of discussion here, and to make it the topic is to disrupt and confuse the discussion — just as the J Street people did.

The IDF is deposited with an assignment to maintain law and order in the territories. It used to do it in a way that disrupted life there a lot, and now it has switched to methods that make life more tolerable. That's the point being discussed, and to ignore it is to do precisely what you're accusing Lori and the Jewish Press of doing — imbuing a report about facts with political messages.

]]>By: Avi Yudkowskyhttp://www.jewishpress.com/news/editor-deleted-post-of-j-street-u-students-misconduct/2013/12/10/#comment-74398
Tue, 10 Dec 2013 06:43:23 +0000http://www.jewishpress.com/?p=156397#comment-74398The issue was not whether or not Eli Phillip was right or wrong to question the information, the issue is that he was rude and disruptive, then wrote an article saying that he did not receive a warm and welcoming response. Political views have nothing to do with this.
]]>By: Cowfy Kaufmanhttp://www.jewishpress.com/news/editor-deleted-post-of-j-street-u-students-misconduct/2013/12/10/#comment-74402
Tue, 10 Dec 2013 06:31:16 +0000http://www.jewishpress.com/?p=156397#comment-74402the longer free men hesitate to confront those who would deny them their freedom be it by intention their hesitation or by circumstance will equate to the amount of blood which will evenyually be shed defending their freedom.
]]>By: Anonymoushttp://www.jewishpress.com/news/editor-deleted-post-of-j-street-u-students-misconduct/2013/12/10/#comment-74387
Tue, 10 Dec 2013 06:28:09 +0000http://www.jewishpress.com/?p=156397#comment-74387Mael and Marcus claim to be on the side of "facts and honesty," but instead seem set out to attack and defame college students.
Are there checkpoints in the West Bank? Yes.
Was Philip wrong in insisting that a former IDF spokesperson present facts? No.
It seems that Mael and Marcus are using this incident (which seems to have occurred months ago, by the way), as an opportunity to bash on organization with which they disagree politically. Marcus is a well-known opponent of J Street and its opinions. From their ad hominem and repeated public statements about Philip and J Street, it seems that they are much more focused on discrediting an organization that they disagree with, rather than actually promoting a positive and productive conversation about the issues.
If there is any example of "angry rhetoric" "factual misrepresentations" "threatening members of the pro-Israel tent" than this piece as well as Mael's are perfect examples.
]]>By: Anonymoushttp://www.jewishpress.com/news/editor-deleted-post-of-j-street-u-students-misconduct/2013/12/10/#comment-74383
Tue, 10 Dec 2013 06:17:18 +0000http://www.jewishpress.com/?p=156397#comment-74383@H Fragman Abramson- I'm going to assume by clicking on your profile picture that you were not at the event in question. So, I'm going to have to say that you can't determine what truthful reporting is in this situation
]]>By: Anonymoushttp://www.jewishpress.com/news/editor-deleted-post-of-j-street-u-students-misconduct/2013/12/10/#comment-74375
Tue, 10 Dec 2013 05:57:59 +0000http://www.jewishpress.com/?p=156397#comment-74375Hi. I'm Meir kahane. I want to kick all the arabs out of Israel and make it an un-democratic state. I'm also a former editor of the Jewish Press

Hi. I'm a young Jew. I, unlike Z street, do not support kahanism or terrorism.

]]>By: Anonymoushttp://www.jewishpress.com/news/editor-deleted-post-of-j-street-u-students-misconduct/2013/12/10/#comment-74374
Tue, 10 Dec 2013 05:55:42 +0000http://www.jewishpress.com/?p=156397#comment-74374First of all, Eli and other members of J Street U Brandeis were late for this event b/c they were wrapping up their own event which featured another former IDF soldier. The group hosting Barak Raz knew that people would be late and seemed totally fine with it. Furthermore, I dont know if being there for the beginning would make Raz's claim of there being ‘no checkpoints in the West Bank’ any more legitimate. As a Brandies student, I am proud that someone stood up to Raz and questioned him. I think questioning people is an integral part of the discourse involving Israel, and a key aspect of Jewish life in general. To demonize a student for questioning a statement that is empirically false (there are still many checkpoints in the West Bank) is unjust and unwarranted. The only debate following this event should be on the merits of checkpoints, not if a student walked in late, or didn’t use the right tone. There are real issues at hand – let’s talk about them please.
]]>By: Anonymoushttp://www.jewishpress.com/news/editor-deleted-post-of-j-street-u-students-misconduct/2013/12/10/#comment-74367
Tue, 10 Dec 2013 05:43:25 +0000http://www.jewishpress.com/?p=156397#comment-74367Give the kid a break. #moveon #pickonsomeoneyourownsize
]]>By: H Fragman Abramsonhttp://www.jewishpress.com/news/editor-deleted-post-of-j-street-u-students-misconduct/2013/12/10/#comment-74377
Tue, 10 Dec 2013 05:37:50 +0000http://www.jewishpress.com/?p=156397#comment-74377Let’s see: truthful reporting about someone who acts like an ass is now taboo? I guess we can forget about the first amendment? And of course politicians should go unchecked as well?
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