We're already at war with China, and have been for at least a couple decades now. At least, economically.

And the worst part of it is, is that China is the only one who understood that. We've literally been playing for the other side because people mostly haven't recognized it for what it is. People understood the Cold War: The Soviet Union didn't like us, we didn't like the Soviet Union, and relations were mostly chilly.

China has been different. They have had a plan, pretty much from the beginning, to supplant the United States as the premier superpower in the World. The 21st Century is supposed to be, in their eyes, "China's Century" much like the 20th Century was "America's Century".

They haven't done this by antagonizing the US, and starting proxy wars and fomenting revolution in Third World nations like the Soviet Union tried (and ultimately failed. Hard). No, China has taken Lenin's (probably apocryphal) words to heart: The Capitalists Will Sell Us the Rope with Which We Will Hang Them.

The People's Republic of China is an authoritarian state that is in competition with the United States. To the extent that they have been friendly with the US, it's only because it was to the advantage of China, not because of any shared value system. Even so, they have consistently gamed that relationship, mostly economically, to benefit China.

Now that they have become a major economic powerhouse, either #1 or #2 depending on how you count it, they're looking to expand their influence.

I'm afraid there is going to be a conflict of some kind in the future between the US and the PRC. I have no idea of how it's going to play out, or when, but the way things are going, it's almost inevitable. Maybe it'll be proxy wars. Maybe it'll be a conventional war between the US and the PRC. Maybe it'll be China merely waiting until it can destroy the US economically.

dittybopper:We're already at war with China, and have been for at least a couple decades now. At least, economically.

And the worst part of it is, is that China is the only one who understood that. We've literally been playing for the other side because people mostly haven't recognized it for what it is. People understood the Cold War: The Soviet Union didn't like us, we didn't like the Soviet Union, and relations were mostly chilly.

China has been different. They have had a plan, pretty much from the beginning, to supplant the United States as the premier superpower in the World. The 21st Century is supposed to be, in their eyes, "China's Century" much like the 20th Century was "America's Century".

They haven't done this by antagonizing the US, and starting proxy wars and fomenting revolution in Third World nations like the Soviet Union tried (and ultimately failed. Hard). No, China has taken Lenin's (probably apocryphal) words to heart: The Capitalists Will Sell Us the Rope with Which We Will Hang Them.

The People's Republic of China is an authoritarian state that is in competition with the United States. To the extent that they have been friendly with the US, it's only because it was to the advantage of China, not because of any shared value system. Even so, they have consistently gamed that relationship, mostly economically, to benefit China.

Now that they have become a major economic powerhouse, either #1 or #2 depending on how you count it, they're looking to expand their influence.

I'm afraid there is going to be a conflict of some kind in the future between the US and the PRC. I have no idea of how it's going to play out, or when, but the way things are going, it's almost inevitable. Maybe it'll be proxy wars. Maybe it'll be a conventional war between the US and the PRC. Maybe it'll be China merely waiting until it can destroy the US economically.

This is common right-wing crap I see my dad and other old farts posting. It's meaningless, as are most of your posts. China is only doing what the United States and any other country has done: pursue its economic interests. Because the US gleefully pushed its labor into China and gleefully gave them access to our intellectual capital, meanwhile killing off our own soft power for some stupid reason, we've lost standing in many ways. We've gutted ourselves and China is only doing what anyone else would in their position. They are, have been, and continue to be, an important partner in the creation of all the crap American consumers want. Our prosperity has been built largely on Chinese labor. And it's worked. It's made things cheaper. For example, back when I was a kid, my mother patched our jeans, because jeans were relatively expensive. Who patches jeans anymore? No one, because China is happy to make us more.

Who is investing in Africa? China. Is that an 'attack' on the United States? No. The reason for the United States' decline in the United States. The people who are at war with the United States are people like you, and other right-wing morons.

dittybopper:We're already at war with China, and have been for at least a couple decades now. At least, economically.

And the worst part of it is, is that China is the only one who understood that. We've literally been playing for the other side because people mostly haven't recognized it for what it is. People understood the Cold War: The Soviet Union didn't like us, we didn't like the Soviet Union, and relations were mostly chilly.

China has been different. They have had a plan, pretty much from the beginning, to supplant the United States as the premier superpower in the World. The 21st Century is supposed to be, in their eyes, "China's Century" much like the 20th Century was "America's Century".

They haven't done this by antagonizing the US, and starting proxy wars and fomenting revolution in Third World nations like the Soviet Union tried (and ultimately failed. Hard). No, China has taken Lenin's (probably apocryphal) words to heart: The Capitalists Will Sell Us the Rope with Which We Will Hang Them.

The People's Republic of China is an authoritarian state that is in competition with the United States. To the extent that they have been friendly with the US, it's only because it was to the advantage of China, not because of any shared value system. Even so, they have consistently gamed that relationship, mostly economically, to benefit China.

Now that they have become a major economic powerhouse, either #1 or #2 depending on how you count it, they're looking to expand their influence.

I'm afraid there is going to be a conflict of some kind in the future between the US and the PRC. I have no idea of how it's going to play out, or when, but the way things are going, it's almost inevitable. Maybe it'll be proxy wars. Maybe it'll be a conventional war between the US and the PRC. Maybe it'll be China merely waiting until it can destroy the US economically.

That's an awfully distorted view of reality you have there. China has power because the US gave them power by asking China to make stuff and sell it to us. The US or someone else could have made those things, but boardrooms saw that they could make their product overseas and import it at a lower cost than making it at home. The boardrooms did exactly that and got richer in the process. Business-people gave China power.

And the worst part of it is, is that China is the only one who understood that. We've literally been playing for the other side because people mostly haven't recognized it for what it is. People understood the Cold War: The Soviet Union didn't like us, we didn't like the Soviet Union, and relations were mostly chilly.

China has been different. They have had a plan, pretty much from the beginning, to supplant the United States as the premier superpower in the World. The 21st Century is supposed to be, in their eyes, "China's Century" much like the 20th Century was "America's Century".

They haven't done this by antagonizing the US, and starting proxy wars and fomenting revolution in Third World nations like the Soviet Union tried (and ultimately failed. Hard). No, China has taken Lenin's (probably apocryphal) words to heart: The Capitalists Will Sell Us the Rope with Which We Will Hang Them.

The People's Republic of China is an authoritarian state that is in competition with the United States. To the extent that they have been friendly with the US, it's only because it was to the advantage of China, not because of any shared value system. Even so, they have consistently gamed that relationship, mostly economically, to benefit China.

Now that they have become a major economic powerhouse, either #1 or #2 depending on how you count it, they're looking to expand their influence.

I'm afraid there is going to be a conflict of some kind in the future between the US and the PRC. I have no idea of how it's going to play out, or when, but the way things are going, it's almost inevitable. Maybe it'll be proxy wars. Maybe it'll be a conventional war between the US and the PRC. Maybe it'll be China merely waiting until it can destroy the US economically.

This is common right-wing crap I see my dad and other old farts posting. It's meaningless ...

I patch my jeans until I can't then I make them into shorts.You know those things the younger generation makes fun , ala Jorts.So yes America has been competing w/ China. The people who think China is just a more authoritarian super power are wrong. The ones that see China as a benevolent heir, are wrong. The people in charge have been selling the idea of the century of shame. You have a very young, male, virile population w/ a chip on their shoulder looking for a chance to get their spot. To come up and make it. Oh and they don't have enough females, so yeah there has been an ongoing spat of "kidnapped brides," in neighboring countries. At some point the old farts are gonna lose control of their simmering pot, and all hell will break loose.

/ Also the battle will not be won w/ bullets and bombs, but instead w/ ideas and people.// This won't make the fallout any less bloody/// But enough reality, go back to watching cat videos, while i question the wisdom of wasting time w/ you.//// Yes I am being dismissive, it got old watching empty heads rattle on about world affairs 30 years ago. Nothing ever changes. Yes I am qualified. Thankfully I can sit back and laugh at the rookie mistakes.

US corps had no problem off-shoring their manufacturing to keep their profit margins high and pay less in wages. China was simply able to offer labor at rates American business found more attractive than supporting their workforce at home.

The way things are going now however, We will see another Great Depression before we see war with China over any of this shiat. The only way we break away from the cheap manufacturing centers for real is: To completely debase and devalue the American workforce. And how does one do that - crash the economy and create bread lines again. Soon you won't have any choice but to work for a dollar a month and live in corporate dorms like the Chinese do.

So the American answer to china is to - become authoritarian and devalue our economy and workforce to compete.

dittybopper:And the worst part of it is, is that China is the only one who understood that. We've literally been playing for the other side because people mostly haven't recognized it for what it is. People understood the Cold War: The Soviet Union didn't like us, we didn't like the Soviet Union, and relations were mostly chilly.

Yeah, but the Rooskies didn't produce all kinds of shiny plastic shiat we can buy at Walmart with our leftover sheckles. Because I need a big screen TV to watch Kim Kardashian tell me about her latest enema recipe.

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste:Who is investing in Africa? China. Is that an 'attack' on the United States? No. The reason for the United States' decline in the United States. The people who are at war with the United States are people like you, and other right-wing morons.

And Russia.

China doesn't want to see us fail. It's not in their interests for that to happen. But Russia? They hate us and absolutely want to see us crash and burn.

Keep your panties on. We're not going to war with China. Short of the US telling Taiwan to declare independence, it won't happen. Worst case scenario is a military collision by plane (like what happened 20 years ago) or by ship. China will get indignent and both sides will exchange apologies. BFD. Even our Asian allies know not to bother counting on the US if they get into a shooting war with China.

China is interested in keeping the economic gravy train going and gradually becoming a bona fide superpower- war with the US would wreck those ambitions real quick. It's really as simple as that.

Honestly, at this point, we deserve to be ruled by China. They appear to be at least intelligent, unless the stupid farking assholes running things now.

And like others have said, if Mattis is any resistance at all, President Sniveling Asshole will get rid of him. Can't have any adults in the room, that makes Sniveling Asshole look bad. He prefers useless assholes so he doesn't look so bad by compararison.

dittybopper:We're already at war with China, and have been for at least a couple decades now. At least, economically.

You seem to have fallen for Trump's narrative that trade is some sort of zero sum game. Trade imbalance doesn't mean Jyna is taking dollars away from the US. Simply means US businesses are buying more of certain products from Chinese businesses.

Much of our economic growth during the past few decades was driven by US businesses earning increasing profits from more efficient global supply chain: importing intermediate goods, tooling, inputs and whole products and reselling to customers in the US as well as overseas. Massively increased volume of trade (including trade deficits) led to huge GDP gains and the record decline of unemployment within the US.

Certain kinds of labor is always going to be cheaper in developing economies. US businesses buying lots of goods from businesses in those countries shifts some production offshore, but also stimulates US production which uses many imported inputs. US manufacturing output has nearly tripled since 1990s. Manufacturing jobs have disappeared primarily due to automation. US businesses that manufactured using imported inputs and those that retail imported goods have grown tremendously during this time and added millions of jobs.

Is there any reason to place higher value on labor intensive domestic manufacturing jobs over jobs in other sectors? If people are looking for high wage unskilled jobs they need retraining to become skilled.

Different countries specialize in different sorts of exports. In the case of the US we dominate exporting services as well, nearly $800 billion yearly in services exports with $243 billion trade surplus in 2017. Our total exported goods and services last year were 2.3 trillion.

And the worst part of it is, is that China is the only one who understood that. We've literally been playing for the other side because people mostly haven't recognized it for what it is. People understood the Cold War: The Soviet Union didn't like us, we didn't like the Soviet Union, and relations were mostly chilly.

China has been different. They have had a plan, pretty much from the beginning, to supplant the United States as the premier superpower in the World. The 21st Century is supposed to be, in their eyes, "China's Century" much like the 20th Century was "America's Century".

They haven't done this by antagonizing the US, and starting proxy wars and fomenting revolution in Third World nations like the Soviet Union tried (and ultimately failed. Hard). No, China has taken Lenin's (probably apocryphal) words to heart: The Capitalists Will Sell Us the Rope with Which We Will Hang Them.

The People's Republic of China is an authoritarian state that is in competition with the United States. To the extent that they have been friendly with the US, it's only because it was to the advantage of China, not because of any shared value system. Even so, they have consistently gamed that relationship, mostly economically, to benefit China.

Now that they have become a major economic powerhouse, either #1 or #2 depending on how you count it, they're looking to expand their influence.

I'm afraid there is going to be a conflict of some kind in the future between the US and the PRC. I have no idea of how it's going to play out, or when, but the way things are going, it's almost inevitable. Maybe it'll be proxy wars. Maybe it'll be a conventional war between the US and the PRC. Maybe it'll be China merely waiting until it can destroy the US economically.

This is common right-wing crap I see my dad and other old farts posting. It's meaningless, as are most of your posts. China is only doing what the United States and any other country has done: pursue its economic interests. Because the US gleefully pushed its labor into China and gleefully gave them access to our intellectual capital, meanwhile killing off our own soft power for some stupid reason, we've lost standing in many ways. We've gutted ourselves and China is only doing what anyone else would in their position. They are, have been, and continue to be, an important partner in the creation of all the crap American consumers want. Our prosperity has been built largely on Chinese labor. And it's worked. It's made things cheaper. For example, back when I was a kid, my mother patched our jeans, because jeans were relatively expensive. Who patches jeans anymore? No one, because China is happy to make us more.

Who is investing in Africa? China. Is that an 'attack' on the United States? No. The reason for the United States' decline in the United States. The people who are at war with the United States are people like you, and other right-wing morons.

Don't be stupid. But seriously, don't be stupid.

The IS decline is far more likely to be Great Britain then Rome. China will still need us plane and simple. The most important thing to China is stability. Also China has plenty of problems to navigate along their rise. I agree the odds of with China are slim.

And the worst part of it is, is that China is the only one who understood that. We've literally been playing for the other side because people mostly haven't recognized it for what it is. People understood the Cold War: The Soviet Union didn't like us, we didn't like the Soviet Union, and relations were mostly chilly.

China has been different. They have had a plan, pretty much from the beginning, to supplant the United States as the premier superpower in the World. The 21st Century is supposed to be, in their eyes, "China's Century" much like the 20th Century was "America's Century".

They haven't done this by antagonizing the US, and starting proxy wars and fomenting revolution in Third World nations like the Soviet Union tried (and ultimately failed. Hard). No, China has taken Lenin's (probably apocryphal) words to heart: The Capitalists Will Sell Us the Rope with Which We Will Hang Them.

The People's Republic of China is an authoritarian state that is in competition with the United States. To the extent that they have been friendly with the US, it's only because it was to the advantage of China, not because of any shared value system. Even so, they have consistently gamed that relationship, mostly economically, to benefit China.

Now that they have become a major economic powerhouse, either #1 or #2 depending on how you count it, they're looking to expand their influence.

I'm afraid there is going to be a conflict of some kind in the future between the US and the PRC. I have no idea of how it's going to play out, or when, but the way things are going, it's almost inevitable. Maybe it'll be proxy wars. Maybe it'll be a conventional war between the US and the PRC. Maybe it'll be China merely waiting until it can destroy the US economically.

This is common right-wing crap I see my dad and other old farts posting. It's meaningless ...

It's almost like the "Buy American" claptrap that the right has always espoused might have diverted this, too bad Wal-Mart and its $29 DVD players were so irresistable for everyone. The first time I heard your post was in 85... by an 8th grader from South Korea in school (my junior high was 60% asian). Almost like this was obvious even back then.

dittybopper:We're already at war with China, and have been for at least a couple decades now. At least, economically.

And the worst part of it is, is that China is the only one who understood that. We've literally been playing for the other side because people mostly haven't recognized it for what it is. People understood the Cold War: The Soviet Union didn't like us, we didn't like the Soviet Union, and relations were mostly chilly.

China has been different. They have had a plan, pretty much from the beginning, to supplant the United States as the premier superpower in the World. The 21st Century is supposed to be, in their eyes, "China's Century" much like the 20th Century was "America's Century".

They haven't done this by antagonizing the US, and starting proxy wars and fomenting revolution in Third World nations like the Soviet Union tried (and ultimately failed. Hard). No, China has taken Lenin's (probably apocryphal) words to heart: The Capitalists Will Sell Us the Rope with Which We Will Hang Them.

The People's Republic of China is an authoritarian state that is in competition with the United States. To the extent that they have been friendly with the US, it's only because it was to the advantage of China, not because of any shared value system. Even so, they have consistently gamed that relationship, mostly economically, to benefit China.

Now that they have become a major economic powerhouse, either #1 or #2 depending on how you count it, they're looking to expand their influence.

I'm afraid there is going to be a conflict of some kind in the future between the US and the PRC. I have no idea of how it's going to play out, or when, but the way things are going, it's almost inevitable. Maybe it'll be proxy wars. Maybe it'll be a conventional war between the US and the PRC. Maybe it'll be China merely waiting until it can destroy the US economically.

Russia is currently doing this in the USA(and have succeeded beyond their wildest dreams)

Right wing fascists are in Power in Turkey, Brasil, Colombia, and a slew of other third world countries where Russia has interfered.

Kirablue42:China has built concentration camps that are holding over a million people, and are separating tens of thousands of people from their children to indoctrinate them.

China is not just interested in "economic development". They plan on ruling the world.

Economic development leads to superpower status. Military took a backseat to economic development in the 80's and 90's... so much so, the military was actually told to go make money. As a result, the military invested in various manufacturing industries and even areas one wouldn't associate with a military - like real estate and hotels.

This priority was only in the past decade or so reversed and that's when we started seeing much better Chinese military equipment.

And the worst part of it is, is that China is the only one who understood that. We've literally been playing for the other side because people mostly haven't recognized it for what it is. People understood the Cold War: The Soviet Union didn't like us, we didn't like the Soviet Union, and relations were mostly chilly.

China has been different. They have had a plan, pretty much from the beginning, to supplant the United States as the premier superpower in the World. The 21st Century is supposed to be, in their eyes, "China's Century" much like the 20th Century was "America's Century".

They haven't done this by antagonizing the US, and starting proxy wars and fomenting revolution in Third World nations like the Soviet Union tried (and ultimately failed. Hard). No, China has taken Lenin's (probably apocryphal) words to heart: The Capitalists Will Sell Us the Rope with Which We Will Hang Them.

The People's Republic of China is an authoritarian state that is in competition with the United States. To the extent that they have been friendly with the US, it's only because it was to the advantage of China, not because of any shared value system. Even so, they have consistently gamed that relationship, mostly economically, to benefit China.

Now that they have become a major economic powerhouse, either #1 or #2 depending on how you count it, they're looking to expand their influence.

I'm afraid there is going to be a conflict of some kind in the future between the US and the PRC. I have no idea of how it's going to play out, or when, but the way things are going, it's almost inevitable. Maybe it'll be proxy wars. Maybe it'll be a conventional war between the US and the PRC. Maybe it'll be China merely waiting until it can destroy the US economically.

This is common right-wing crap I see my dad and other old farts posting. It's meaningless, as are most of your posts. China is only doing what the United States and any other country has done: pursue its economic interests. Because the US gleefully pushed its labor into China and gleefully gave them access to our intellectual capital, meanwhile killing off our own soft power for some stupid reason, we've lost standing in many ways. We've gutted ourselves and China is only doing what anyone else would in their position. They are, have been, and continue to be, an important partner in the creation of all the crap American consumers want. Our prosperity has been built largely on Chinese labor. And it's worked. It's made things cheaper. For example, back when I was a kid, my mother patched our jeans, because jeans were relatively expensive. Who patches jeans anymore? No one, because China is happy to make us more.

Who is investing in Africa? China. Is that an 'attack' on the United States? No. The reason for the United States' decline in the United States. The people who are at war with the United States are people like you, and other right-wing morons.

Don't be stupid. But seriously, don't be stupid.

Your personal reliability rating has increased, Comrade. Thank you for participating in the advancement of the People's Republic. When victory is achieved, you will be rewarded.

LL316:Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Who is investing in Africa? China. Is that an 'attack' on the United States? No. The reason for the United States' decline in the United States. The people who are at war with the United States are people like you, and other right-wing morons.

And Russia.

China doesn't want to see us fail. It's not in their interests for that to happen. But Russia? They hate us and absolutely want to see us crash and burn.

Except China could at some point foster relations with the rest of the world as the US becomes more isolationist. Once that happens, they dump all of their investments in the US. Already happening in Canada, that was the whole intent for the pipeline that the Canadian govt bought. It was supposed to open up China as a secondary customer for our oil.

Smelly Pirate Hooker:Honestly, at this point, we deserve to be ruled by China. They appear to be at least intelligent, unless the stupid farking assholes running things now.

They shoot people in the head for disagreeing with the ruling party.

Do you think that's intelligent? Do this experiment: Go to the front of the White House and carry a sign that says "Fark Donald Trump and the Republican Party" and walk around for a few hours. See what happens. Then go to Tienanmen Square and walk around with a sign that says "Fark Xi Jiping and the Communist Party".

I'll even put up the money that they'll charge your next of kin for the bullet they use to execute you, so that they can get your body back, because I'm such a nice guy.

dittybopper:China has been different. They have had a plan, pretty much from the beginning, to supplant the United States as the premier superpower in the World.

Oh, look, it's this crap again. Look, China didn't take our economic power from us, our business leaders gleefully gave it away to pocket nice bonuses and make investors rich far in excess of what they had a right to expect.

But you are right that this started decades ago. Let's say 30+ years. That's right about when the Wall Street greed era began. What an amazing coincidence, eh?

rikkards_alt:LL316: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Who is investing in Africa? China. Is that an 'attack' on the United States? No. The reason for the United States' decline in the United States. The people who are at war with the United States are people like you, and other right-wing morons.

And Russia.

China doesn't want to see us fail. It's not in their interests for that to happen. But Russia? They hate us and absolutely want to see us crash and burn.

Except China could at some point foster relations with the rest of the world as the US becomes more isolationist. Once that happens, they dump all of their investments in the US. Already happening in Canada, that was the whole intent for the pipeline that the Canadian govt bought. It was supposed to open up China as a secondary customer for our oil.

Well yeah. That could happen if we're stupid enough to start a trade war...ah, crap. Never mind. I was speaking more under the assumption that under normal circumstances, China wants us to succeed so they keep getting our $.

dittybopper:Smelly Pirate Hooker: Honestly, at this point, we deserve to be ruled by China. They appear to be at least intelligent, unless the stupid farking assholes running things now.

They shoot people in the head for disagreeing with the ruling party.

Do you think that's intelligent? Do this experiment: Go to the front of the White House and carry a sign that says "Fark Donald Trump and the Republican Party" and walk around for a few hours. See what happens. Then go to Tienanmen Square and walk around with a sign that says "Fark Xi Jiping and the Communist Party".

I'll even put up the money that they'll charge your next of kin for the bullet they use to execute you, so that they can get your body back, because I'm such a nice guy.

You're a foreigner with US citizenship. It's a foreign political issue. It is most likely they will detain you and then eventually put you on the next plane out of the country. You will go on their blacklist, meaning you will never be allowed in the country again. They will not execute you - that's nonsense.

However, if you are Chinese in ethnicity, you may be farked . Your US citizenship may not protect you and you may become a guest of their prison system for a while.

I lived in that country for several years. And yes, foreigners do lots of dumb things but generally political stuff they handle with kid gloves depending on which country you're from. Best if you're from US or the European countries.

SirEattonHogg:Keep your panties on. We're not going to war with China. Short of the US telling Taiwan to declare independence, it won't happen. Worst case scenario is a military collision by plane (like what happened 20 years ago) or by ship. China will get indignent and both sides will exchange apologies. BFD. Even our Asian allies know not to bother counting on the US if they get into a shooting war with China.

China is interested in keeping the economic gravy train going and gradually becoming a bona fide superpower- war with the US would wreck those ambitions real quick. It's really as simple as that.

Do you know Trump used to scream racist obscenities at his Chinese business partners when he found out he couldn't screw them over? The Chinese shrugged and finished the deal ASAP.