Marine1:Is wearing gender-appropriate clothing a part of that? Maybe, because you know some smartass teenager is gonna find a way to use this to be a smartass.

My response to this story hinges on the answer to one question: If a girl shows up in an appropriate female designed three piece suit, are they willing to accept that a suit designed for the body wearing it is formally appropriate. For example, do ROTC women have the option of wearing dress blues with dress slacks?

Let's just all agree that they can wear whatever the fark they want to their idiotic farking proms and can take whoever they want and jesus fark why the hell does this even concern people so damn much.

Shut up school admins. Just shut your farking coont whore mouths and let the kids dye their hair rainbow or whatever. It bothers me that I had more personal freedoms in high school in WV in the 90s then kids seem to now. Perhaps waste your energy trying to cut down on bullying and rape and shiat among the bastards.

In one incident, a teacher told a student who commented that he did not have a valentine on Valentine's Day, that that's "because you're gay and nobody wants to be with you." In another, an administrator referred to a gay student's campaign for homecoming queen as a "joke." Another teacher told a student to "take the gay headband off."

The gay student's campaign probably WAS halfway between joke and protest, and you can't make a big stink about wearing self identifying clothing and then complain when people refer to your clothing by the label it endorses. You don't both get to have "gay pride" and complain "gay" is pejorative. Labels restrict the thinking of the person doing the labeling, not the one being labeled.

Whether or not gender specific clothing should be required entirely depends on what the uniform is otherwise. School is a place where you are safe to learn, not a place where you are free from restrictions. What matters more is whether the restrictions are applied evenly. As long as you are equally not allowed to endorse ANY overtly political position, which specific one being restricted isn't important. Likewise, specific dress code for the purpose of conformity isn't a burden all by itself, just because you don't personally express yourself that way. Express yourself on your own time, and self identify with divisive issues on your own time as well.

mekki:FTA: Kyle Bodda, president of the Sultana Gay Straight Alliance, said the atmosphere has proven distracting to learning."All students should feel safe and free to be themselves at school," Bodda said.

*pinches cheek* Oh, you are adorable. Now get in line behind the punks, goths, skaters and ravers who also want to "be themselves at school" but the dress code says no.

Though I have to admit "gender appropriate" clothes is a dick move. If I wanted to be flashy with silk and lace, the way I would go about is dressing up in Rococo style clothing. Then I could dandy up as much as I want because I would be within the rules. After all, they said gender appropriate, not era appropriate.

Hickory-smoked:BraveNewCheneyWorld: ciberido: BraveNewCheneyWorld: The fact that someone tends to agree with Freud's assessment of homosexuality doesn't make one homophobic. The fact that you're quick to label those who don't agree with you so negatively only shows that it's you who are the intolerant one.

"You're a bigot if you don't tolerate my intolerance!"

Yeah, sure, whatever.

I'm not intolerant, I'm just unwilling to agree with your delusional thinking. There's a rather large difference, and I'm sure you understand it, but you have spin that needs spinning.

I understand that you think there's a difference, but then again there used to be segregationists who didn't consider themselves racist.

They were on the wrong side of history. So are you.

It was in the latter half of the 90s when a then family friend sat in my family's living room and proclaimed that he wasn't a racist, he just believed that the Bible clearly taught that the races were supposed to be separate. It was quite the educational experience for me because dude and his wife assumed that because my parents were good conservative Christians that they'd agree that race mixing was a sin. We had no idea they were so ridiculously racist because they never brought their racism up because they assumed everyone agreed with them. But no, no siree, they weren't racist, race mixing was just unnatural and everyone knew that and the only way someone would race mix was if they were rebelling against their parents.

In other words, same tune, different lyrics to what we hear now about gay people.

FilmBELOH20:Lost Thought 00: Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT. Whats the Q for? Questioning? Quixotic? Quonfused? Honest question, no troll bro. Just can't figure it out.

Questioning

Oh for farks sake. I'm all for gay rights, I really am. But we're now going to classify people that may have a tendancy to think that it's a possibility that they might have an issue with what they think they want to do in the sack or what type of clothes to wear?

Don't blame me. As far as I'm concerned, it's all about getting gay men the same (superior) rights that straight men have. Everybody else is just coattailing it into the news and into antidiscrimination legislation. I have nothing in common with lesbians - at least straight women have enough sense to like dick. Bisexuals are always going to scamper back to their hetero side whenever things get ugly (and speaking of ugly, how come none of these alleged "I love the INNER person, gender means NOTHing!" bisexuals never have same sex dates that are ugly?) Transgender is a whole other pile of crap that has nothing to with orientation. And if you don't know your orientation, you are just disoriented - it's not a goddam essential part of your identity. Besides, who you want to have sex with and how well you fit into standard gender identity models are absofarkinglutely different things and I am farking sick of people not bothering to differentiate. I am not a sissy, I don't do drag, I can't queen to save my life, I HATE musicals, Glee is worse than waterboarding, I only have three pairs of shoes, and I am the biggest homo there ever was. Did I get crap for it when I was a kid? No, because of all the sissy boys who just hadn't learned how to act like a man yet. The boys who were too polite, the boys who were fussy about their appearance, the boys who were afraid to jump into the scrum - THEY got massive vileness heaped upon them for their insufficiently testosteroney behaviour, while I slid under the radar and then traded bjs with their tormentors behind the gym after school. It's almost never antigay discrimination or abuse. It's anti-sissy, and it is only about forcing gender appropriate behaviour, just like we teach all kind of other this- or that- appropriate behaviour. It has nothing to do with what your dick smells like when you're done with it. Besides, these days most of the Q is just snotty bored kids going to the safest "bad" place to go to scare their pearl-and-anus-clutching parents before settling into a life of failed aspirations, exponential ennui, and quiet substance abuse. It's like an entire generation grew up without googling David Bowie.

I'm pretty tollerant, but this shiat is pretty far over the edge. Can't this possibly be "Occasion specific" dress? Meaning,don't wear a farking T shirt and try to look nice? There is a big difference between a transgender teen and a drag queen.

After you graduate, kids, nobody will care what minutely differentiated point of sexuality you claim; they'll want to know whether you can program, design cars or, in the case of arts graduates, clean the coffee machine. But beyond all this terribly earnest college-level agonising about labels, who really cares what people wear to and end of term dance at school? As long as it's reasonably smart, what's the big deal about a girl in a dinner jacket or a boy in a skirt? Haven't these people got better things to worry about?

FirstNationalBastard:Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT. Whats the Q for? Questioning? Quixotic? Quonfused? Honest question, no troll bro. Just can't figure it out.

I say they should change it to LGTBBQ, because who doesn't love a BBQ?

I think you just stumbled on what could bring bigots and us LGBTQs together: BBQ! We both love a good cookout, so let's party! I'm telling ya it would be one hell of a Peace Treaty/Truce after a few lbs of food and a few beers, lol!

bmwericus:I always try and rememeber that for those traditionalists, High School is the peak of their lives - being football captain or wrestling star or state champ pitcher is as GOOD as their life will get

What, you didn't just get pregnant and drop out your senior year, then move in to a trailer park with your 26 year old unemployed babbydaddy? You unamerican or something?

Why is it just the people from this one group of paraphilias that feel compelled to force the world to accept their behavior? Do that shiat at home, we don't want to see you bringing your fetish into public places.

Next thing you know those black kids are going to want to show up to the white prom! I mean come on I'm sure they realize that being black is frowned upon and they can have their own prom later if they want to go. But we can't let them show up black because you just know that some kid is going to put on blackface just to see if the black kids complain!

FilmBELOH20:Lost Thought 00: Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT. Whats the Q for? Questioning? Quixotic? Quonfused? Honest question, no troll bro. Just can't figure it out.

Questioning

Oh for farks sake. I'm all for gay rights, I really am. But we're now going to classify people that may have a tendancy to think that it's a possibility that they might have an issue with what they think they want to do in the sack or what type of clothes to wear?

THIS My son is gay and even he thinks that the continuous sub-grouping is getting pretty farking stupid. "I'm one of you...but I don't identify with anything you've spelled out so far, so add another letter for me"

FilmBELOH20:Lost Thought 00: Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT. Whats the Q for? Questioning? Quixotic? Quonfused? Honest question, no troll bro. Just can't figure it out.

Questioning

Oh for farks sake. I'm all for gay rights, I really am. But we're now going to classify people that may have a tendancy to think that it's a possibility that they might have an issue with what they think they want to do in the sack or what type of clothes to wear?

You're missing the point - the rest of us aren't classifying them, this is how they classify themselves.

There are formal pantsuits that are cut for women and not actually necessarily cross-dressing, and obviously a kilt is a male-specific item of clothing that's essentially a skirt of you want to go that route.

Or you could stop being a damned troll and just wear jeans and a tee shirt like everyone else on picture day so that they can get that shiat over with and go back to class. Bloody AWing teenage nonsense wasting everyone's time. I mean, sure, identity's nice and all, but you're in school to learn Algebra and Geography and so on, go learn about how to optimize your self-image on your own time.

Same goes for teachers, stop farking trolling your students over their social shiat and make sure they can add and goddamned subtract when they get into my classroom. I'm about one engineering undergrad who can't figure out how Newton's fitting method works from the textbook (something requiring basically Algebra 1) from snapping and building an army of death-bots to spot targets for my giant farking moon laser, so please at least consider actually doing your jobs for once in your lives instead of trying to "raise" the little buggers.

//Unfortunately intimately familiar with the lack of professional discipline in CA primary/secondary teachers.

TheGreatGazoo: They say that until some douche guy wears a dress to mock the gay kids.

"Ha ha! You're so gay that I'M wearing a dress!"

Yeah, I'm fairly certain that doesn't happen.

Never under estimate the power of douche-baggary. I could easily see a straight guy wearing a dress to with the intention to piss off the gay ones to see if they complain. If the homosexual kids do, then they are hypocrites, and he has successfully shown how some homosexuals expect tolerance but are unwilling to give the same respects.

I have nothing against homosexuals, just the ones who expect better treatment then everyone else because of their sexual preference.

Aurric:Farce-Side: Lost Thought 00: Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT. Whats the Q for? Questioning? Quixotic? Quonfused? Honest question, no troll bro. Just can't figure it out.

Questioning

Thanks, that's kinda what I figured. I think it would have been better if they went with "Uncertain". That way the acronym could be LGBUT. You know, like "Large Butt". Then again, I'm kind of childish like that.

Q can mean Queer as well. Some places use I and A as well (Intersex and Asexual), and the acronym is getting so long that a lot of groups are reverting to the classic GSA, but instead of "Gay-Straight Alliance," they use "Gender and Sexuality Alliance."

Yeah... gay dudes, you guys gotta get the acronyms set. It's getting confusing. Not sure if that's intentional or not.

As for the Prom... well... if I showed up dressed like Kurt Cobain on a severe bender, they'd probably send me home. They enforce standards as to what you can wear. Is wearing gender-appropriate clothing a part of that? Maybe, because you know some smartass teenager is gonna find a way to use this to be a smartass.

/retired smartass teenager//every time I try to get out of the game, they pull me back in.

Lost Thought 00:mekki: *pinches cheek* Oh, you are adorable. Now get in line behind the punks, goths, skaters and ravers who also want to "be themselves at school" but the dress code says no.

Well, Gender is a federally protected class, whereas I don't think the government has yet to recognize the discrimination against the goths

Gender is a protected class. Clothing, on the other hand, isn't. Especially since the majority of gay men do not crossdress. It is not seen as traditional dress for men to wear traditionally feminine attire.

victrin:Q stands for Queer/Questioning, referring to those exploring their sexual identity (Questioning) and those who define their sexual identity in the abstract (Queer).

I always thought queer was a touchy word with most homosexuals. Well, at least most that I've met I guess, but then again most homosexuals I've met weren't the flaming queen types but just dudes or chicks who happened to like other dudes or chicks. Kind of like the N word or calling a little person a midget? Again, not trying to troll, honestly trying to learn more.

Farce-Side:Lost Thought 00: Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT. Whats the Q for? Questioning? Quixotic? Quonfused? Honest question, no troll bro. Just can't figure it out.

Questioning

Thanks, that's kinda what I figured. I think it would have been better if they went with "Uncertain". That way the acronym could be LGBUT. You know, like "Large Butt". Then again, I'm kind of childish like that.

Q can mean Queer as well. Some places use I and A as well (Intersex and Asexual), and the acronym is getting so long that a lot of groups are reverting to the classic GSA, but instead of "Gay-Straight Alliance," they use "Gender and Sexuality Alliance."

Lost Thought 00:Farce-Side: I saw LGBTQ in the article, and I'm used to seeing LGBT. Whats the Q for? Questioning? Quixotic? Quonfused? Honest question, no troll bro. Just can't figure it out.

Questioning

Oh for farks sake. I'm all for gay rights, I really am. But we're now going to classify people that may have a tendancy to think that it's a possibility that they might have an issue with what they think they want to do in the sack or what type of clothes to wear?

FTA: Kyle Bodda, president of the Sultana Gay Straight Alliance, said the atmosphere has proven distracting to learning."All students should feel safe and free to be themselves at school," Bodda said.

*pinches cheek* Oh, you are adorable. Now get in line behind the punks, goths, skaters and ravers who also want to "be themselves at school" but the dress code says no.

Though I have to admit "gender appropriate" clothes is a dick move. If I wanted to be flashy with silk and lace, the way I would go about is dressing up in Rococo style clothing. Then I could dandy up as much as I want because I would be within the rules. After all, they said gender appropriate, not era appropriate.