Cleveland is a bad sports town. All they do is biatch about their teams for not winning, and then complain when the good players they do have leave in search of a chance to win. Here's a thought, Cleveland: HOLD THE TEAM OWNERS ACCOUNTABLE, NOT THE PLAYERS! Maybe if the owners brought in good players and coaches, and didn't force their few good players to go elsewhere to seek a championship, then maybe their teams would actually win from time to time!

Cleveland does not deserve an NBA team.Cleveland does not deserve an MLB team.Cleveland especially does not deserve an NFL team.

So wipe away your tears, Clevelanders. LeBron has two rings, and until you hold your team owners accountable for not putting together teams that can win, you'll never hang a championship banner from those rafters or in your stadium.

MmmmBacon:Cleveland is a bad sports town. All they do is biatch about their teams for not winning, and then complain when the good players they do have leave in search of a chance to win. Here's a thought, Cleveland: HOLD THE TEAM OWNERS ACCOUNTABLE, NOT THE PLAYERS! Maybe if the owners brought in good players and coaches, and didn't force their few good players to go elsewhere to seek a championship, then maybe their teams would actually win from time to time!

Cleveland does not deserve an NBA team.Cleveland does not deserve an MLB team.Cleveland especially does not deserve an NFL team.

So wipe away your tears, Clevelanders. LeBron has two rings, and until you hold your team owners accountable for not putting together teams that can win, you'll never hang a championship banner from those rafters or in your stadium.

They might have won the year that Jordan went to put a dagger in them, but we shall never know. They had a pretty talented team, Craig Ehlo, Ron Harper, Steve Kerr, Brad Daugherty, Larry Nance and more... Jordan prevented so many great teams getting to the Finals, but that was his gig.

We shall see what the Cavs do with these young kids and their multiple draft picks.

/you know who needs to release some more comic sans hilarity? Dan Gilbert//"Ok he's won two titles but the Cavaliers will definitely win one before the so called King wins a third. For real this time."///I want LeBron to go back to Cleveland just to see Gilbert's head explode trying to distance himself from his previous asshattery

LucklessWonder:Cleveland is still on notice for giving us Drew Carey as far as I'm concerned.

DREW CAREY IS A NATIONAL TREASURE.

Also, the overwhelming response to the Heat's Finals win here has been an overwhelming, "Meh". Calling us all bitter assholes because of one bitter asshole (who, by the way, I believe did this same stunt last year) is just unfair.

Furthermore, I don't know who this chucklehead up toward the top of the thread is, but he can go get f*cked with a wooden bat, orally and anally.

/you know who needs to release some more comic sans hilarity? Dan Gilbert//"Ok he's won two titles but the Cavaliers will definitely win one before the so called King wins a third. For real this time."///I want LeBron to go back to Cleveland just to see Gilbert's head explode trying to distance himself from his previous asshattery

What do you bet they meet in secret during the offseason to plan how they're going to troll the media?

Oh, shut the fark up. What's the worst thing LeBron did? Make millions of dollars for Dan Gilbert and the city of Cleveland? Cavs fans got to watch the best player of this generation for seven years. The NBA is a farking business and no one - especially Dan Gilbert - has any right to be pissed at LeBron for making a business decision to go play for another team where he could win a championship. After seven years, it was clear that Gilbert couldn't build a team around LeBron that could win a title, so LeBron went somewhere where he could win multiple rings instead. No one in Cleveland is entitled to LeBron's services.

I hope all the young talent on Cleveland's roster bolts as soon as they can to go win championships for better owners of teams with fan bases that actually deserve a championship.

Oh, shut the fark up. What's the worst thing LeBron did? Make millions of dollars for Dan Gilbert and the city of Cleveland? Cavs fans got to watch the best player of this generation for seven years. The NBA is a farking business and no one - especially Dan Gilbert - has any right to be pissed at LeBron for making a business decision to go play for another team where he could win a championship. After seven years, it was clear that Gilbert couldn't build a team around LeBron that could win a title, so LeBron went somewhere where he could win multiple rings instead. No one in Cleveland is entitled to LeBron's services.

I hope all the young talent on Cleveland's roster bolts as soon as they can to go win championships for better owners of teams with fan bases that actually deserve a championship.

That escalated quickly.

/hypothetical q: would we still be having this discussion if 'The Decision' (i.e. The media circus around James when his contract came up) never happened?

I wish all you non-Clevelanders would get it through your heads that the Cavs did EVERYTHING LeBron asked for - he was worshiped in this town - and he threw it in our face on national television in that ridiculous excuse for a show on ESPN. He could have left with grace and class, thanked the people of Cleveland and just said 'it's time to move on', and we would have been fine, but no, he had to be a major asshat about it. One does not forgive that easily.

DeadlockVictim:I wish all you non-Clevelanders would get it through your heads that the Cavs did EVERYTHING LeBron asked for - he was worshiped in this town - and he threw it in our face on national television in that ridiculous excuse for a show on ESPN. He could have left with grace and class, thanked the people of Cleveland and just said 'it's time to move on', and we would have been fine, but no, he had to be a major asshat about it. One does not forgive that easily.

Didn't his specific timing of "The Decision" also further screw the Cavs? A friend of mine explained something along those lines but I had trouble following since I don't really follow sports off-season.

Oh, shut the fark up. What's the worst thing LeBron did? Make millions of dollars for Dan Gilbert and the city of Cleveland? Cavs fans got to watch the best player of this generation for seven years. The NBA is a farking business and no one - especially Dan Gilbert - has any right to be pissed at LeBron for making a business decision to go play for another team where he could win a championship. After seven years, it was clear that Gilbert couldn't build a team around LeBron that could win a title, so LeBron went somewhere where he could win multiple rings instead. No one in Cleveland is entitled to LeBron's services.

I hope all the young talent on Cleveland's roster bolts as soon as they can to go win championships for better owners of teams with fan bases that actually deserve a championship.

I agree with you here, but can I also agree with the other guy that Lebron is a douchebag?

I don't fault him for going to the Heat, I just think he has always been a douchebag. Amazing player, has the chance to possibly surpass Jordan at some time (and I'm a Chicago homer), but still, just a douchebag.

snake_beater:/hypothetical q: would we still be having this discussion if 'The Decision' (i.e. The media circus around James when his contract came up) never happened?

That was what upsetted me about the whole thing.

It wasn't the fact he left, it was the fact he kept teasing Cleveland into thinking that he might stay when in the back of his mind, he was already out of Cleveland.

Albert Pujols was less of a douche when he left St. Louis for Los Angeles but Cardinals fans took it better because he didn't keep dicking them around. People were less upset about him actually leaving than they were at the lame-ass excuses he gave about leaving "It's not about the money", "I didn't feel wanted by the team", "This is what God wanted me to do", etc.

Oh, shut the fark up. What's the worst thing LeBron did? Make millions of dollars for Dan Gilbert and the city of Cleveland? Cavs fans got to watch the best player of this generation for seven years. The NBA is a farking business and no one - especially Dan Gilbert - has any right to be pissed at LeBron for making a business decision to go play for another team where he could win a championship. After seven years, it was clear that Gilbert couldn't build a team around LeBron that could win a title, so LeBron went somewhere where he could win multiple rings instead. No one in Cleveland is entitled to LeBron's services.

I hope all the young talent on Cleveland's roster bolts as soon as they can to go win championships for better owners of teams with fan bases that actually deserve a championship.

Yeah, that escalated WAY too quickly. Someone writes two sentences & your Weeners is "shut the fark up?" You don't get to decide who gets pissed at LeBron. It wasn't THAT he made the decision. It's HOW he went about it. Cleveland isn't entitled to LeBron's services. But they do get to be bitter when he very, overly ceremoniously left his hometown & his home state for a stacked team with his buddies. They get to be bitter. You are not the arbiter of who gets to be mad about it or for how long.

Oh, shut the fark up. What's the worst thing LeBron did? Make millions of dollars for Dan Gilbert and the city of Cleveland? Cavs fans got to watch the best player of this generation for seven years. The NBA is a farking business and no one - especially Dan Gilbert - has any right to be pissed at LeBron for making a business decision to go play for another team where he could win a championship. After seven years, it was clear that Gilbert couldn't build a team around LeBron that could win a title, so LeBron went somewhere where he could win multiple rings instead. No one in Cleveland is entitled to LeBron's services.

I hope all the young talent on Cleveland's roster bolts as soon as they can to go win championships for better owners of teams with fan bases that actually deserve a championship.

Yeah, that escalated WAY too quickly. Someone writes two sentences & your Weeners is "shut the fark up?" You don't get to decide who gets pissed at LeBron. It wasn't THAT he made the decision. It's HOW he went about it. Cleveland isn't entitled to LeBron's services. But they do get to be bitter when he very, overly ceremoniously left his hometown & his home state for a stacked team with his buddies. They get to be bitter. You are not the arbiter of who gets to be mad about it or for how long.

LeBron is still a douchebag.

Cleveland gets to be bitter.

I think Scott Raab put it best when he said, "The real hypocrites are the morons telling Cleveland to 'get over it,' as if the place hasn't gotten over it, or as if 'over it' is best defined by some asshole who likes telling other people how to feel and act."

Oh, shut the fark up. What's the worst thing LeBron did? Make millions of dollars for Dan Gilbert and the city of Cleveland? Cavs fans got to watch the best player of this generation for seven years. The NBA is a farking business and no one - especially Dan Gilbert - has any right to be pissed at LeBron for making a business decision to go play for another team where he could win a championship. After seven years, it was clear that Gilbert couldn't build a team around LeBron that could win a title, so LeBron went somewhere where he could win multiple rings instead. No one in Cleveland is entitled to LeBron's services.

I hope all the young talent on Cleveland's roster bolts as soon as they can to go win championships for better owners of teams with fan bases that actually deserve a championship.

Yeah, that escalated WAY too quickly. Someone writes two sentences & your Weeners is "shut the fark up?" You don't get to decide who gets pissed at LeBron. It wasn't THAT he made the decision. It's HOW he went about it. Cleveland isn't entitled to LeBron's services. But they do get to be bitter when he very, overly ceremoniously left his hometown & his home state for a stacked team with his buddies. They get to be bitter. You are not the arbiter of who gets to be mad about it or for how long.

LeBron is still a douchebag.

Cleveland gets to be bitter.

Mutters something about Tony Romo having a Decision type show about joining the Giants...

MmmmBacon:Cleveland is a bad sports town. All they do is biatch about their teams for not winning, and then complain when the good players they do have leave in search of a chance to win. Here's a thought, Cleveland: HOLD THE TEAM OWNERS ACCOUNTABLE, NOT THE PLAYERS! Maybe if the owners brought in good players and coaches, and didn't force their few good players to go elsewhere to seek a championship, then maybe their teams would actually win from time to time!

Cleveland does not deserve an NBA team.Cleveland does not deserve an MLB team.Cleveland especially does not deserve an NFL team.

So wipe away your tears, Clevelanders. LeBron has two rings, and until you hold your team owners accountable for not putting together teams that can win, you'll never hang a championship banner from those rafters or in your stadium.

Well, seeing as the Indians are in the bottom five of the MLB in attendance for the second year in a row, I say that Indians fans are punishing the owners pretty heavily.

/LeBron should have left the Cavs, but "The Decision" was still douchey.//Of course, I blame the sports network shiatstain for that more than I blame LeBron.

llortcM_yllort:MmmmBacon: Cleveland is a bad sports town. All they do is biatch about their teams for not winning, and then complain when the good players they do have leave in search of a chance to win. Here's a thought, Cleveland: HOLD THE TEAM OWNERS ACCOUNTABLE, NOT THE PLAYERS! Maybe if the owners brought in good players and coaches, and didn't force their few good players to go elsewhere to seek a championship, then maybe their teams would actually win from time to time!

Cleveland does not deserve an NBA team.Cleveland does not deserve an MLB team.Cleveland especially does not deserve an NFL team.

So wipe away your tears, Clevelanders. LeBron has two rings, and until you hold your team owners accountable for not putting together teams that can win, you'll never hang a championship banner from those rafters or in your stadium.

Well, seeing as the Indians are in the bottom five of the MLB in attendance for the second year in a row, I say that Indians fans are punishing the owners pretty heavily.

And with customary Cleveland timing, too: The very year they have a contending team, they decide to give 'em a pass.

Having dealt with the Cleveland fans and media, lemme just say: Mmmbacon is a douchebag, but he has a bit of a point. It's not that the fans don't hold the teams accountable (the Browns having two owners, three GMs, and four coaches in six years can attest to that), it's that they don't know shiat about getting what they want. And they're so impatient about it that the minute one of their teams goes on a minor losing streak, they're calling for everyone's head (hell, I'm pretty sure I heard "fire Shurmur" chants after their first preseason loss in 2011). At the very least, the Indians have done great things to turn their luck around: Getting Francona, spending a little money, and putting together a decent team. Will they have any traction as the season rolls along? We'll see. But, of course, Cleveland fans don't see that. They just see them sitting around .500, and they're getting their "fire Terry" signs ready to go for next season.

IlGreven:llortcM_yllort: MmmmBacon: Cleveland is a bad sports town. All they do is biatch about their teams for not winning, and then complain when the good players they do have leave in search of a chance to win. Here's a thought, Cleveland: HOLD THE TEAM OWNERS ACCOUNTABLE, NOT THE PLAYERS! Maybe if the owners brought in good players and coaches, and didn't force their few good players to go elsewhere to seek a championship, then maybe their teams would actually win from time to time!

Cleveland does not deserve an NBA team.Cleveland does not deserve an MLB team.Cleveland especially does not deserve an NFL team.

So wipe away your tears, Clevelanders. LeBron has two rings, and until you hold your team owners accountable for not putting together teams that can win, you'll never hang a championship banner from those rafters or in your stadium.

Well, seeing as the Indians are in the bottom five of the MLB in attendance for the second year in a row, I say that Indians fans are punishing the owners pretty heavily.

And with customary Cleveland timing, too: The very year they have a contending team, they decide to give 'em a pass.

Having dealt with the Cleveland fans and media, lemme just say: Mmmbacon is a douchebag, but he has a bit of a point. It's not that the fans don't hold the teams accountable (the Browns having two owners, three GMs, and four coaches in six years can attest to that), it's that they don't know shiat about getting what they want. And they're so impatient about it that the minute one of their teams goes on a minor losing streak, they're calling for everyone's head (hell, I'm pretty sure I heard "fire Shurmur" chants after their first preseason loss in 2011). At the very least, the Indians have done great things to turn their luck around: Getting Francona, spending a little money, and putting together a decent team. Will they have any traction as the season rolls along? We'll see. But, of course, Cleveland fans don't see that. They just see them sitt ...

I've been to eleven Indians games already this year. Am I good or am I an asshole for "not holding the owners accountable"? I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S REAL ANYMORE.

IlGreven:they're getting their "fire Terry" signs ready to go for next season.

Interesting that you say that, as I haven't seen any of this, and I live in Cleveland.

We're not that impatient, really. But the last major league championship we've had here in any sport (except indoor soccer, and does that really count?) was in 1964 when the Browns last won the NFL Championship. (Yes, before the Super Bowl existed, the NFL still had a championship.) The last MLB Championship was in 1948, and we've never won the NBA. (Don't get me started on NHL - I drive to Columbus and have partial season tickets to the Blue Jackets.)

Mrtraveler01:It wasn't the fact he left, it was the fact he kept teasing Cleveland into thinking that he might stay when in the back of his mind, he was already out of Cleveland.

a) he didn't tease them - it's not like he can just go and say mid-season "hey guys, just so you know, at the end of the year I'm leaving town because you guys suck."b) he announced his decision in the first week of free agency

Raging Whore Moans:Didn't his specific timing of "The Decision" also further screw the Cavs? A friend of mine explained something along those lines but I had trouble following since I don't really follow sports off-season.

No, it didn't because no one was going to Cleveland anyway. And he went via sign-and-trade instead of directly signing, which allowed the Cavs to get two first-rounders instead of jack sh*t.

DeadlockVictim:I wish all you non-Clevelanders would get it through your heads that the Cavs did EVERYTHING LeBron asked for

Except provide him with a supporting cast capable of winning a championship. BTW, if you're going to go the whiny route with the "But they brought in the people he wanted" maybe management shouldn't be such simps. Jordan didn't want the Bulls to draft Pippen - he wanted some dude from UNC who never did anything in the NBA instead. If you're letting a player make your personnel decisions rather than making them based on your own basketball and management knowledge, you have a moron as an owner and as a GM.

You people realize that when you start to do everything someone asks of you, no questions asked, against what you want to do, that you're their b*tch, not that you're in a relationship, right? You're a bunch of doormats? Cleveland's organization was run by a bunch of b*tches. And you can't win with an office full of simps.

No, you wouldn't. I hear that a lot since I think it makes you guys feel better, but no city would have been fine with the best player leaving their town and not hold a grudge. Hell, Bosh left without The Decision and he still gets booed in Toronto as bad as Bron does in Cleveland.

As a magic fan that lost Shaq, I can understand the way Clevelanders feel. We had Nick Andersen, Penny Hardaway, Shaq, and Dennis Scott. I'm guessing two rings.Thank god the internet/ESPN were not what they are now. It took a while to get over that. Now I love Shaq. I can totally understand moving from Orlando to go to L.A.

Oh, shut the fark up. What's the worst thing LeBron did? Make millions of dollars for Dan Gilbert and the city of Cleveland? Cavs fans got to watch the best player of this generation for seven years. The NBA is a farking business and no one - especially Dan Gilbert - has any right to be pissed at LeBron for making a business decision to go play for another team where he could win a championship. After seven years, it was clear that Gilbert couldn't build a team around LeBron that could win a title, so LeBron went somewhere where he could win multiple rings instead. No one in Cleveland is entitled to LeBron's services.

I hope all the young talent on Cleveland's roster bolts as soon as they can to go win championships for better owners of teams with fan bases that actually deserve a championship.

Yeah, that escalated WAY too quickly. Someone writes two sentences & your Weeners is "shut the fark up?" You don't get to decide who gets pissed at LeBron. It wasn't THAT he made the decision. It's HOW he went about it. Cleveland isn't entitled to LeBron's services. But they do get to be bitter when he very, overly ceremoniously left his hometown & his home state for a stacked team with his buddies. They get to be bitter. You are not the arbiter of who gets to be mad about it or for how long.

LeBron is still a douchebag.

Cleveland gets to be bitter.

Akron. His hometown is Akron, not Cleveland. Cleveland needs to grow up and get over it. While they are at it, demand more of their teams' ownership, rather than blaming players who leave.

You know who would love to have the Browns right now? Portland. Same with the Indians. Portlanders know how to be good fans, who love their teams, but don't sit idly by while their team owners refuse to field a good team (such as during the Jailblazers fiasco).

CavalierEternal:Having dealt with the Cleveland fans and media, lemme just say: Mmmbacon is a douchebag, but he has a bit of a point

Thank you, I'll accept that. It just grinds my gears to see "fans" in a town that has four pro teams continually biatching about them (all the while continuing to buy tickets and support those owners financially), while a town like Portland has only one major pro team. We support our Blazers better than Clevelanders ever could, and if we were lucky enough to have an MLB, NHL or NFL team, we'd support them just as well, but we'd also demand change, if the owners were not doing their jobs (or just being cheapskates).

DeadlockVictim:I wish all you non-Clevelanders would get it through your heads that the Cavs did EVERYTHING LeBron asked for - he was worshiped in this town - and he threw it in our face on national television in that ridiculous excuse for a show on ESPN. He could have left with grace and class, thanked the people of Cleveland and just said 'it's time to move on', and we would have been fine, but no, he had to be a major asshat about it. One does not forgive that easily.

I completely understand. He always wanted to be the best player ever and that is apparently judged by how many rings you have on your fingers. So what did he do? He called Wade and Bosh to make a "Dream Team"

Another tough year for Cleveland. First the Ravens win the Super Bowl, then LeBron wins title number two (with a team that may have been worse than some of his Cleveland teams). Who should I wager on for the World Series?

MagicBus:Another tough year for Cleveland. First the Ravens win the Super Bowl, then LeBron wins title number two (with a team that may have been worse than some of his Cleveland teams). Who should I wager on for the World Series?

Devo:MagicBus: Another tough year for Cleveland. First the Ravens win the Super Bowl, then LeBron wins title number two (with a team that may have been worse than some of his Cleveland teams). Who should I wager on for the World Series?

Good point. Who do they loathe the most? B-More or Lebron?

It'll always be Baltimore. You can make the argument that LeBron wasn't completely in the wrong because LeBron left in free agency, but Art Modell turned down a deal with the city that would have allowed for the construction of a new stadium for the Browns and then violated his lease with the city while claiming that they'd "left him no choice".

MmmmBacon:While they are at it, demand more of their teams' ownership, rather than blaming players who leave.

"Demand more of the ownership." Man, have I heard that before. It might've been from you, who knows. What do you want them to do? Write an angry letter? Make angry posts on the internet? They didn't elect their ownership.

And anyone saying the Cleveland doesn't have faithful fans is dumb. Those whackjobs are faithful to a fault & they'll never leave their teams & they shouldn't.

MmmmBacon:You know who would love to have the Browns right now? Portland. Same with the Indians. Portlanders know how to be good fans, who love their teams, but don't sit idly by while their team owners refuse to field a good team (such as during the Jailblazers fiasco).

Uh. Hm, where to start with this. First of all, talking up Portland like it's some sports fan's paradise is ridiculous & narrow-minded. And IF they were to move a team there, it wouldn't be the Browns. And IF the NFL thought Portland could support an NFL team, don't you think they'd be looking into it? You've got the Seahawks right there. And how did those pristine wonderful Portland fans spring into action when your team owners refused to field a good team? Do tell us, since you're apparently the only good fan in here.

And seriously? Shut up about Portland. Can you imagine if we all went around boasting about how our own city is the best & everyone should just come here because we're the best and know how to REALLY treat a sports team! Whatever. Grow up.