Whitcomb conceded that Longley's abrasive demeanor likely fell short of the department's new community policing credo of "Listening and Explaining with Equity and Dignity," but added that Longley was above the law so stfu.

Unfortunately, the law enforcement occupation attracts folks who are too stupid for business but with a bit more ambition than McDonalds employees. They are given guns and taught that they are above the law. Add to that a bit of protection money and a thorough indoctrination of which criminals are allowed to practice with impunity, and you have a bunch of thugs who are not really concerned about law enforcement.

Check your local laws, you might be a violator. It is illegal in Genesee County, MI to leave a vehicle unlocked and running. Although, I think it has more to do with protecting the insurance companies from having to pay morans for letting their cars be stolen so easily.

Koodz:At one point, after the officer questioned him about the number of keys on his key ring, Ocak complained, "Why are you being so rude to me?"

Longley responded: "I don't have to be nice to you."

Wait....what's the proper number of keys on a key ring? I have three. Is that too few or too many? I'd better stay out of Seattle just in case it's the wrong number.

I checked and I have three rings with eleven keys. Now you have me worried that I could be a class A misdemeanor. Could it be worse that I have two different car brand keys, also? I know driving a Ford in the wrong town will get a little extra road rage, but what if they find out I chose to drive the Ford instead of the Chevy. Would that be a separate charge?

/drive a Ford near a GM plant and you will see what I mean//hoping to trade in Chevy for second Ford, look out Flint you better be ready to cut me off everytime I leave my house.///GM products suck, if you own a vehicle with a 3400 chevy motor, get rid of it

Dinjiin:On par for SPD. Not only to they "not have to be nice", they excel at it. Never understood how such a progressive city ended up with such a Gestapo-like police force.

As I understand it Seattle has a bunch of nerds and hippies. These groups of people tend to irritate the everloving piss out of anyone trying to control a situation that attracts attention or needs investigation. Nerds continually ask "why" for every little thing like a 5 year old or start quoting laws out of context and internet fighting. Hippies start rambling out of date psudo cosmic yammerings about barriers and community or yelling things that they think socialist revolutionaries would say.

What you end up with is cops with absolutely NO patience for anyone or anything.

Between the armor, steroids, taser, stick, pepper spray, and ability to call for backup, I can see no reason for a police officer to ever PUNCH someone. Yes, hitting someone with a stick is more likely to cause injury than a punch, but there's something so visceral about balling up a fist and punching somebody in the face. It's too intimate to be a police action. Does that make sense?

MerelyFoolish:Unfortunately, the law enforcement occupation attracts folks who are too stupid for business but with a bit more ambition than McDonalds employees. They are given guns and taught that they are above the law. Add to that a bit of protection money and a thorough indoctrination of which criminals are allowed to practice with impunity, and you have a bunch of thugs who are not really concerned about law enforcement.

"At the time, Ocak was being questioned and was not under arrest, according to police Sgt. Sean Whitcomb. The incident escalated when Ocak resisted the officers' attempts to handcuff him for flight and officer-safety reasons, Whitcomb said."

I'm no police apologist but if they cops want to handcuff you and take you to jail resisting them is stupid. You will ALWAYS lose. Go to the station quietly and sort out your problems with them through a lawyer.

I have never heard that shoplifters leave their cars running. It would seem pretty easy to squash that racket if all the store security had to do was put a wheel lock on every car left running in the lot.

"At the time, Ocak was being questioned and was not under arrest, according to police Sgt. Sean Whitcomb. The incident escalated when Ocak resisted the officers' attempts to handcuff him for flight and officer-safety reasons, Whitcomb said."

I'm no police apologist but if they cops want to handcuff you and take you to jail resisting them is stupid. You will ALWAYS lose. Go to the station quietly and sort out your problems with them through a lawyer.

Idiot.

the kid was a bit of a smart-ass...but you really should watch the video.Typically when I hear about cops getting shot... I imagine them being like that guy and it makes it feel ok.

These guys better not ever come to the mountains of Colorado in the winter. They'd have a whole lot of "questioning" to do with *everybody* leaving their cars running if it's a short enough period of time.

The officers goaded this person into getting agitated and then beat him down (up?) for it. For parking improperly.

Koodz:balling up a fist and punching somebody in the face. It's too intimate to be a police action. Does that make sense?

Considering it is not the officer's duty to dispense justice or punishment then yes, he is out of line. That was no act of self defense.

Just Another OC Homeless Guy:MerelyFoolish: Add to that a bit of protection money and a thorough indoctrination of which criminals are allowed to practice with impunity, and you have a bunch of thugs who are not really concerned about law enforcement.

2/10

The irony is we have police forces because we don't want armed gangs of vigilantes roaming the streets dispensing their own brand of justice. But guess what?

When I see these things, and read about people describing police work as difficult and dangerous in order to "cut them slack" I usually just try to remember that police officers WANT the job. They know it's mostly dealing with a_holes in bulk while barfing up rainbows of niceness. They know it's dangerous. They sign up for it anyway. Who on Earth wants a job dealing day-to-day with thugs who might just hunt them down and kill them and their entire families someday??

The second a cop is dick enough to give me shiat about the number of keys on my key-ring, you better just mirandize me now and let me call my lawyer, because nothing I say to you is likely to make it to court. What a group of shiatty thugs.

FTFA: ...officers' attempts to handcuff him for flight and officer-safety reasons...

So there were three gun-toting, taser-carrying, mace-sporting, body armor-wearing, baton-equipped LEOs vs. one 20 year-old smartass. And the cops tried to cuff him for their OWN safety? Oh, he was a flight risk. Yeah, because if he took off running, Chief Wiggum would be farked.

Koodz:Between the armor, steroids, taser, stick, pepper spray, and ability to call for backup, I can see no reason for a police officer to ever PUNCH someone. Yes, hitting someone with a stick is more likely to cause injury than a punch, but there's something so visceral about balling up a fist and punching somebody in the face. It's too intimate to be a police action. Does that make sense?

Especially when it was clearly in retaliation for the fingers you just purposefully crammed in to the "suspect's" mouth so he could bite you in the pointless struggle of four officers to detain an otherwise law-abiding-citizen that was already feeling threatened and intimidated by four white guys with anger issues and all the amnesty the badge allows.

Why do people continue to try to limit evil police to xyz city/county? The line should be "On par for police". It's no different in any other place. Violent criminal gangs are violent in any location not just L.A., Seattle, or Detroit.

Not only to they "not have to be nice", they excel at it. Never understood how such a progressive city ended up with such a Gestapo-like police force.

Power attracts pathological personalities. It is not that power corrupts but that it is magnetic to the corruptable. Such people have a tendency to become drunk on violence, a condition to which they are quickly addicted.--- Frank Herbert - Chapterhouse Dune

"At the time, Ocak was being questioned and was not under arrest, according to police Sgt. Sean Whitcomb. The incident escalated when Ocak resisted the officers' attempts to handcuff him for flight and officer-safety reasons, Whitcomb said."

I'm no police apologist but if they cops want to handcuff you and take you to jail resisting them is stupid. You will ALWAYS lose. Go to the station quietly and sort out your problems with them through a lawyer.

Idiot.

"No, we're not arresting you, we just want to cuff you."What the fark? No, I would totally not be comfortable with that. Either arrest and cuff me, or get the fark out of my face.

mike_d85:Dinjiin: On par for SPD. Not only to they "not have to be nice", they excel at it. Never understood how such a progressive city ended up with such a Gestapo-like police force.

As I understand it Seattle has a bunch of nerds and hippies. These groups of people tend to irritate the everloving piss out of anyone trying to control a situation that attracts attention or needs investigation. Nerds continually ask "why" for every little thing like a 5 year old or start quoting laws out of context and internet fighting. Hippies start rambling out of date psudo cosmic yammerings about barriers and community or yelling things that they think socialist revolutionaries would say.

What you end up with is cops with absolutely NO patience for anyone or anything.

/plus too much coffee

I was going to pose the question "If you had to be a cop in one of the most hipster populated cities in the country, do you think YOU would be nice after sometime dealing with those tards?"

But I digress, part of law enforcement is dealing with all types of people, its just a shame the career attracts the wrong type to deal with said people.

Pretty much always recorded somehow. Speak loudly and clearly, ask if you are under arrest. If not, you are free to go. If they get physical, do not resist, ask them why they are arresting and assaulting you. Then sue them.

One of the biggest things parents can teach their children, is their rights and how police will almost always try to abuse them.

By the way, it is completely legal to give the cops the finger, and tell them to fark off. It will enrage them, causing some beat down, but ultimately, money for you.