<quoted text>More wisdom from the forum halfwit. Brian wanders all over the place with his wit and never makes sense. Now we've got you bringing in the military standards. We're talking about access to marriage.Can you,BTW, show proof of the housing rules allowing gays to room together but not straights?

Traditionally men quarter with men and women with women regardless of sexual orientation in the US military.

When I was in Vietnam, I served side by side with one of the bravest men I ever met. He happened to be gay. We slept in the same compartment aboard ship. This was in the days when if someone was suspected of being gay, he disappeared. Discharged and gone and no one hardly even asked why. Many of us knew. No one said a word about it.

Barring gays from the military was always just plain stupid if you ask me. We need all the help we can get and so what if he's secretly eyeballing your willy! At least someone wants you!

<quoted text>TrolletteFirst I not "against gay marriage", if a same sex couple wish to marry so be it, they can find themselves a minister, priest, rabbi, imam, temple priestess, etc.

Why do you play games? Nobody gives a crap about that. The only issue is the legal recognition of gay marriages. You know that, why play games? Oh, yeah, games are all you got.

Pietro Armando wrote:

and marry, that doesn't mean the state has to, or should, legally designate the relationship as marriage. Second I believe the state should offer some form of legal framework for SSCs or others, that doesn't require fundamentally altering the understanding of marriage as the conjugal union of husband and wife.

That means you're against gay marriage. You are against equal rights.

Pietro Armando wrote:

Lastly, whine and complain all you want, but Kody and his ladies are knocking on the marriage equality clubhouse door. Are ya gonna let them in, or ignore the obvious hypocrisy in ignoring them, and their parallel quest for legal recognition?

They already have marriage equality. Whoever they are, they are treated equally when it comes to marriage.

How intelligent is it for government to decide husbands and fathers are disposable and marriage can be gender segregated without harming diversity and integration? What's the point of forcing government to become gender blind and refuse to distinguish between brother and sister, mother and father or husband and wife? Same sex marriage is unintelligent.

<quoted text>Traditionally men quarter with men and women with women regardless of sexual orientation in the US military.When I was in Vietnam, I served side by side with one of the bravest men I ever met. He happened to be gay. We slept in the same compartment aboard ship. This was in the days when if someone was suspected of being gay, he disappeared. Discharged and gone and no one hardly even asked why. Many of us knew. No one said a word about it.Barring gays from the military was always just plain stupid if you ask me. We need all the help we can get and so what if he's secretly eyeballing your willy! At least someone wants you!

Your one experience overrules all other situations?

Do you know the rape/abuse issues that have arisen since women have moved into more positions?

Do you know about the unwanted 'pillow fights' a gay Congressman conducted in the Navy?

I made no assertion anyone was not brave.

I pointed out the discrimination of orientation segregation for heterosexuals. That is simply a fact.

I pointed out the issue of sexual behavior risking military competency. That is simply a fact.

I pointed out that standards were lowered/ignored to satisfy politically 'correct' stupidity.

<quoted text>Your one experience overrules all other situations?Do you know the rape/abuse issues that have arisen since women have moved into more positions?Do you know about the unwanted 'pillow fights' a gay Congressman conducted in the Navy?I made no assertion anyone was not brave.I pointed out the discrimination of orientation segregation for heterosexuals. That is simply a fact.I pointed out the issue of sexual behavior risking military competency. That is simply a fact.I pointed out that standards were lowered/ignored to satisfy politically 'correct' stupidity.Thank you for your service.

I don't like the government using the military for social experiments I'll agree with you there, it's not the place for it.

But I have no objection at all to homosexuals serving openly in the military. In my experience they make fine soldiers, airmen and sailors.

<quoted text>Traditionally men quarter with men and women with women regardless of sexual orientation in the US military.When I was in Vietnam, I served side by side with one of the bravest men I ever met. He happened to be gay. We slept in the same compartment aboard ship. This was in the days when if someone was suspected of being gay, he disappeared. Discharged and gone and no one hardly even asked why. Many of us knew. No one said a word about it.Barring gays from the military was always just plain stupid if you ask me. We need all the help we can get and so what if he's secretly eyeballing your willy! At least someone wants you!

For this post you get lemons, red Xs, and spam! I'll go in the right direction and thank you for your service to this fine country.

<quoted text>How intelligent is it for government to decide husbands and fathers are disposable and marriage can be gender segregated without harming diversity and integration? What's the point of forcing government to become gender blind and refuse to distinguish between brother and sister, mother and father or husband and wife? Same sex marriage is unintelligent.

Brian, you do make up a bunch of toss. The gubbamint ain't deciding fathers and husbands are disposable. As far as the gender segregation bit, you're blowing things all out of proportion. 2%, Brian, 2%. Mountain out of a mole hill. No one is refusing to distinguish between brother, father, husband, wife, sister, mother, amoeba, duck billed platypus, etc. I'll still be my wife's husband, my mother and father (RIP dad) will still be my mother and father, and my brothers' children will still have me for an uncle. Nothing, not one tiny little bit, will change for those of us who happen to be heterosexual.

You keep making these allegations yet you don't show any substance to back them up. I asked you, repeatedly, to back up your assertions and you fail miserably. The ONLY time you've attempted to back them up you proved yourself wrong. That would be all those forced marriages occuring in prisons in Canada. Remember that, Brian? Nada, zip, zilch, your fears are irrational and unfounded. They're based upon allegations without proof, now that is unintelligent.

<quoted text>How intelligent is it for government to decide husbands and fathers are disposable and marriage can be gender segregated without harming diversity and integration? What's the point of forcing government to become gender blind and refuse to distinguish between brother and sister, mother and father or husband and wife? Same sex marriage is unintelligent.

So, when are members of pro sports teams going to be forced to marry each other in states with gay marriage? You said that would happen!Speaking of unintelligent!LOLSER!

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