Tuesday, May 5, 2020

More Comments from Readers – Part VII

Here are more comments that we have received from readers of
this website blog:Comment #1: “If
the islands of Indonesia were impossible for Hagoth to navigate, then how did
Lehi do it 400 years earlier?” Sithu M.

Lehi’s
Course to the 30º South Latitude, landing in Chile, South America

Response: If you were to read those areas of the blog that
have been posted about Lehi's direction of travel, you would see he went south,
southeast down the Sea of Arabia and Indian Ocean to the Southern Ocean, then
east across to the Humbolt current and north from there. The winds and currents
do not move west to east through the Sea of Arabia and Indonesia, but east to
west, coming off the South Pacific gyre and through Indonesia. While trade ships (shallow bottom, frail craft) of the
ancient period moved along the coastal waters and maneuvered through the
islands, no deep ocean vessel could have done that—neither Nephi's ship or
those Hagoth built, since at least the former was "driven forth before the
wind," it would have necessitated moving wherever the winds drove his ship
and that would not have been from coastal Oman toward Indonesia, but south
toward the Indian Ocean. If you look through the blog, you will see maps and
plenty of explanation.

Lehi’s
course from Salalah, Oman, to Coquimbo Bay, Chile

Comment #2: “I was looking at the map of the swirling waters around South
America and up into Central America.. it occurred to me... wait.. this would
not be the way the land looked at the time of Lehi. South America and Central
America are not connected above water. So
that being true.. would not the ocean currents actually had been somewhat
different?” Mr.
Nirom.Response: We have posted a
couple of articles on this issue in the past. Keep in mind that land is not far
below the surface in the cases of where it moves to the surface as it did both
with the Panama Knot and also with the Amazon Basin in central and eastern
South America. As such, the shelf is close enough to the surface to effect
tidal waters as well as major currents. It is one of the reason the currents
through Indonesia and around some of the South Sea island chains are so
difficult to negotiate at times because other parts of the islands are not far
beneath the surface (not all islands, but many). Thus, while the land area that
eventually rose to block off the channel between the Pacific and the Atlantic
allowed for that waterway to exist, it was not so deep it did not affect the
currents when we add in the Coriolis Effect from the gravitational pull of the
Earth turning on its axis. For more information, see our posts on this.Comment #3: “We know
that the Lord is keeping many great truths from us among the Gentiles (Ether
4:6, etc) So we cannot assume there will not be further things revealed that
may be stumbling blocks to us because it contradicts “our understanding” of
what has been given already” erichard.

The Lord
commanded the Brother of Jared not to publish what he had seen and heard unto
the world, but that he was to write it down and show it to no man

Response: Ether 4:6 is not about withholding information
needed by the members or Gentiles in general, but the unique and advanced
knowledge given to the Brother of Jared on the mountain. He told him: “Behold, thou shalt not suffer
these things which ye have seen and heard to go forth unto the world, until the
time cometh that I shall glorify my name in the flesh; wherefore, ye shall
treasure up the things which ye have seen and heard, and show it to no man. And
behold, when ye shall come unto me, ye shall write them and shall seal them up,
that no one can interpret them; for ye shall write them in a language that they
cannot be read. And behold, these two stones will I give unto thee, and ye
shall seal them up also with the things which ye shall write. For behold, the
language which ye shall write I have confounded; wherefore I will cause in my
own due time that these stones shall magnify to the eyes of men these things
which ye shall write” (Ether 3:21-24). It would seem from this, that at least
some of what the Brother of Jared wrote down and sealed up came forth after
Christ's resurrection, perhaps through Joseph Smith. On the other hand, he also said, “And the Lord commanded the
brother of Jared to go down out of the mount from the presence of the Lord, and
write the things which he had seen; and they were forbidden to come unto the
children of men until after that he should be lifted up upon the cross; and for
this cause did king Mosiah keep them, that they should not come unto the world
until after Christ should show himself unto his people. And after Christ truly
had showed himself unto his people he commanded that they should be made
manifest” (Ether 4:1-2). Obviously, the Nephites had some of this information,
perhaps all of it during those 200 years of time following the Lord's advent in
America. Whether we have any or all of it through modern-day revelation, such
as in the Doctrine & Covenants, etc., is not known (at least to me).
Finally, the Lord told the Brother of Jared, “For the Lord said unto me: They
shall not go forth unto the Gentiles until the day that they shall repent of
their iniquity, and become clean before the Lord” (Ether 4:6). There is no indication or suggestion here that the Lord
withholds information to create “stumbling blocks” or to hinder the development
of his children, Gentiles or anyone. He does reserve some advanced information
from time to time until people are ready for it. If members understood how much
information would be available to them if they lived more righteously, perhaps
we would all be doing much better in our lives.

On the other hand,
some people, especially critics of the Church, many scientists, all
evolutionists, etc., are going to be greatly surprised, even shocked, when all
of the truth of the Lord is revealed, for much of it will set aside the errors
of man and enthrone the truth of God.Comment #4: “I found your article on the fortress of
Kuelap fascinating. It really helps picture the scriptures in alma 48 and 49” David K.

An artist’s rendition of what the fortress
of Kuelap looked like when it was occupied. The slit in the wall (lower right)
is one of only three such entrances into the city that could be heavily guarded
and next to impossible to penetrate

Response: Thank you.
No amount of words can do Kuelap justice in its importance, strategic position,
and overall comparison with Nephite construction of the time.Comment #5: “I was
reading an extensive article by Lynn and David Rosenvall “From the Sea West to
the Sea East,” published in July 2009, in which they said, after an extensive
discussion on the seas mentioned in the Book of Mormon, that: “All of the geographical features
described in the Book of Mormon can be readily identified I n Baja California
with the sea west being the Pacific Ocean, stretching along the entire west
coast of North America, and the sea east being the Sea of Cortez (also called
the Gulf of California), extending north along the east coast of Baja
California to the mouth of the Colorado River. This narrow, elongated and
ladder-like configuration of Baja California aligns perfectly with the lands
and seas described in the Book of Mormon.” What do you think of their work?”
Pamela M.Response: We have
written numerous articles in our blog regarding Baja California. While there
are some features that can be applied to Mormon’s overall descriptions of the
Land of Promise (but then, many places can qualify with a few matches);
however, in total, there is simply no justifiable argument for Baja. In their “extensive
discussion,” they reject two very important concepts: 1) A prophet, Jacob,
speaking in the temple, describes the fact that the Land of Promise is an
island in the midst of the sea over which Nephi’s ship sailed; and 2) There is also
mention of a Sea North as a Sea South, however, the Rosenvalls reject the Sea
North, because it disagrees with their peninsula theory, while accepting the
Sea South for the same reason, even though both seas are described in the exact
same terms. That is hardly a
scholarly approach to interpretation. In addition, while the Land of Promise is
described as an island, it is never described as a Peninsula, nor referred to
one in any way. Additionally, the distance in the Midriff Area across the Sea
of Cortez, at his narrowest point (which is around their narrow neck of land)
is about 38 miles, and easily visible across the Gulf.

Top: Map of the Midriff Islands at what the
Rosenvalls call their Narrow Neck of Land; Bottom: The distance across their “east
sea” can easily be seen, looking at Baja from the Island of Tiburon adjacent to
the Mexico mainland

While crossing from
Baja California to the Mainland of Mexico would be a simple matter as can be
seen from the above photo, there is no suggestion of anything like that, or
that there was anything to the East of the East Sea (Gulf of California).