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but a lot of the songwriting on it just went way into that "we sound like all the other emo bands that are starting to get popular in 2002/2003" vibe.

I wish lots of other bands could pull off such an impressive album. It's their peak for me. BS and AOD are great, but it's clear they haven't mastered it all musically. On DU and CL they are trying different things with questionable results.

STS is definitely solid, and it's kind of still bridging their classic two albums with the newer "not for me" stuff, it's still recognizably very AFI which I like. And the arrangements are good. It's just the point where the "you're losing me" elements started to creep in.

I didn't think Crash Love was bad, just really, really boring. I don't think i've listened to it much after a month after its release.

Same here, aside from a couple of songs. Also it was once pointed out to me that the mixing was kinda bad too, so now I always notice it when I hear a song from it.

I like both songs. I Hope You Suffer embraces a new direction while still keeping some elements of past stuff like Sing The Sorrow, which is pretty cool. 17 Crimes is pretty solid too. It sounds a little bit like Alkaline Trio to be honest. Not that that's a bad thing; I like them too.

Originally Posted by Vera

If two guys loving Offspring together is wrong, I don't want anything to be right.