Monday, November 12, 2007

SEASON 2 EPISODE 8 - "FOUR MONTHS AGO"

WARNING – SOME SPOILERS ARE CONTAINED WITHIN

Tonight’s episode was written by Tim Kring, and directed by me – your humble blogger. Oh, also, I’m doing the online commentary with Milo tonight on nbc.com. I know some of you enjoyed the commentary Greg Grunberg and I did a few weeks ago. So hopefully you’ll enjoy this one too.

I was really excited when I first read the script for this one. There were a lot of really fun opportunities in it – the structure which started four months ago, and then moved forward – to “three months ago,” “two months ago,” etc. was an interesting storytelling device that I had never done before.

I was also excited to work with Leonard Roberts again, and to tell the story of what happened to DL. He is a nice guy, who is always a pleasure to have on set.

Whenever I first read a script I always let an emotional impression wash over me. I try not to jump to quickly to “how am I going to shoot it?” or “what are the problems here?” I just try to let the emotions speak to me. For me, the emotional arc of the story will determine the visual design choices I make.

This episode felt like it wanted to be simple and elegant. It opens with a bang (Peter and Nathan flying and exploding), and it ends with a bang (Peter being hunted down by Elle and the Haitian.) But in between there was a methodical nature to it, which to me indicated a sense of constant, but gentle pressure. As I began to plan and develop the look and the blocking, I kept thinking of simple camera moves that were always moving in or around, not a lot of coverage (i.e. angles), and a constant sense of rising pressure.

One of the fun things that we do on HEROES, is that we frequently open an episode at the exact minute, or perhaps a minute before the end of the previous episode. In episode 7 Peter re-appeared in the present having abandoned Caitlin there. He screamed “Caitlin” and fell to his knees and we went to commercial. Later, after the commercial break and several scenes, we ended the show on Peter shooting a bolt of energy at Adam. Well, in this one, I had the idea of combining both of those two, previously separated moments, into one. After the “previously on heroes” segment, we come up on a shot of Peter, seen from above. Using a techno-crane, which is a crane with a telescoping arm - a device that can, effectively, both crane and dolly from a fixed platform, I moved through all of the previously seen moments in one unbroken shot. I wanted to do a long take to start the episode, because I thought it would give the viewers a sense of things happening in real time – which is an important theme of the episode.

I re-used a few shots from episode 7 as Adam first comes out, but then shifted to new film which was all shot hand held, to add tension.

After the camera zooms into Peter’s eye, we reprise some film from last year’s finale’, and then we go into the sequence of what happened when Nathan flew away with Peter. I knew this was a very important sequence on many levels. First of all, lots of you fans have had questions about this event since the beginning of this season. I also knew that I had to make the flying look great.

Trust me, flying is hard to do right. This year we’ve done OK a few times, (I liked when West flew outside Claire’s bedroom in the first episode, and when Claire leapt off the Hollywood sign in episode 4.) But in other places, notably episode 3 – we haven’t done flying so well. Bottom line, to even attempt to do flying right is a time consuming, and therefore expensive, proposition. In my experience, first off, you have to design and storyboard the shots very specifically, then you have to have a lot of very specific dialogues with the stunt coordinator and the effects riggers and the visual effects producers. In this case we had to pre-select the pre-existing helicopter backplates of New York, which the actors would be dropped into, and design the shots around them. Different rigging is required for each of the shots, and you have to be organized about this – not just so that you can do it all well, but also so that you can move efficiently through the day – going out of story sequence if needed so that you can shoot all similar rigs in sequence. Then, the actors have to be harnessed in unnatural (i.e. horizontal positions) on a green screen stage, and you have to design specific flying moves for them to perform and specific camera moves that support these performances. Then, you have to blow a crapload of wind on the actors. And then, in editing, you have to cut it altogether real fast so the viewer never gets a real good look at any one shot. When we haven’t done so well, this year, is when we’ve succumbed to budget pressures and said, “Just stand the actors on a box on the blue screen, move the camera around and stay in close-ups.” It just doesn’t work.

I knew I had a shot on this one though, because I had my two best athletes on the floor. A lot of what it takes to make flying right, is for the actors to have good abdominal muscle control. Both Adrian and Milo are strong and have excellent stamina and they were both into it. If you can imagine being hoisted fifteen feet into the air, in a tight fitting harness that squeezes your guts, and then being asked to lay out flat with your (unsupported) legs and arms straight (kind of like doing a “plank” in yoga) and then having to emote and do dialogue at the same time – well then you can get a picture of what we were asking the actors to do.

I hope you feel we did well. There are two specific shots where Milo really impressed me. The first is where Peter pushes away from Nathan and tumbles away into the distance. We had the two actors harnessed separately. When Milo pushed off we, literally, towed him on a line about twenty yards away from Adrian. He enhanced this by tumbling head over heels like a Cirque du Soleil performer. Another one was where (what I call) “Crispy” Nathan is falling and Peter flies up and catches him. We actually had a stunt performer doing Nathan’s role for that shot. (Not so much because Adrian couldn’t do it, and more because of the three hours the makeup took to do) “Stunt” Nathan had to hold himself in a very unnatural position with his arms and legs extended upward. I kept going up on a ladder to adjust his arms and legs. We rolled. Then, as the camera swooped down onto Nathan, Milo was released on a line, which he rode down like a bullet – maybe thirty or forty yards and he smacked into the stuntman like a linebacker hitting a tackling dummy. I jumped out of my chair on set and screamed “Yeah!!!”

I think the whole thing is nicely integrated, with the VFX boys adding mist, ocean, clouds and Nathan’s scorching face.

HEROES – IT’S LIKE A TV SHOW, ONLY BIGGER

MILO AND ADRIAN FLYING – IT’S ALL IN THE ABS BABAY!

In the scene where Angela comes and stands over Nathan’s bed, I had an interesting problem. I didn’t want to show Nathan’s burned body until the very end of the scene – so that the audience sees the extent of the burns at the same moment that the character does. I joked with the other producers later, saying, “Man it takes a lot more shots to NOT show somebody than it does to show them.” And it’s true. If I’d been willing to show Nathan’s burns early in the scene, then I could have just shot a close up of Angela, a close up of Nathan, and maybe one or two wider angles. But as it was, I had to shoot many angles, in which Nathan was either staged to not be seen (like a super low angle from below the bed onto Angela,) draped in shadows (like the super high down, super wide angle from above the bed) or shots where he was seen only in details. (Like the super tight close-ups of Nathan’s eyes and lips.) But, ultimately, this scene was all about Cristine Rose. More so than most scenes, she had to carry all the weight of the first 90% of the scene. Since I wasn’t showing Nathan, only her shocked reaction, tells you the extent of his injuries. Cristine and I talked about how she should feel this gut wrenching emotion, seeing her cherished first born so disfigured, but that she then had to hide her emotions so that she wouldn’t unduly upset him. I love working with Cristine. She’s a pro. She’s happy to be here. And she is an exceptional actor who always makes surprising, yet subtle choices. Having said that, I also want to compliment Adrian. We did four takes of the moment where he rises up and sees himself for the first time. He “discovered” it a little more each take. And, on the fourth, he surprised me with the take that’s in, where he put his hand to his mouth in an almost childlike reaction. I loved it!

Kudos, also, to our special-effects-makeup team from Optic Nerve. This makeup, literally took months to design, with Adrian going to their shop several time to be molded. Every day Adrian had to wear this makeup, it took 3 or 4 hours to apply, and an hour to get off at the end of the day. But it was magnificent. It holds up to really tight close-ups, which is very rare. Both Cristine and Adrian commented on how easy this makeup made their jobs. An actor’s job is, largely, to create honest emotional reactions to imaginary situations. In this case, the makeup took away a lot of the obligation to imagine, because it was so good.

CRISTINE ROSE (HOW AWESOME IS SHE?) AND “CRISPY” ADRIAN PASDAR

MILO AND “CRISPY” ADRIAN – KIDS, SEE! MOM TOLD YOU NOT TO PLAY WITH MATCHES (OR BUTANE LIGHTERS) AND HERE’S WHY

“CRISPY” ADRIAN PASDAR UNDERGOES A BIZARRE FORM OF PHYSICAL THERAPY

This episode also really introduces Kristen Bell into the show. She had been in a handful of scenes in episode 5, but now she comes in full force. First of all, I love her, and love having her around. She, like most of our cast, comes to play. As a director, on the most fundamental level, you want your cast to come prepared. They need to know their lines, and hit their marks (as Spencer Tracy once said.) And they should have a take on what they’re saying and doing. I know this sounds so obvious, but you’d be shocked how often it’s not the case – where an actor either can’t deal with the technical fundamentals of blocking with crew and camera – or where they really haven’t thought through the psychological underpinnings of their character and why they’re doing what they’re doing in a scene. The more organized the cast and the director are, coming in, the more they can play and invent the scene to maximum benefit. Kristen comes ready and she participates and invents very well with the rest of the cast. Luckily we shot, largely, in order. The first scene I did with her was the long one where Milo awakens in Bob’s office. Tim Kring had described to me how he saw Kristen’s character of Elle. That she had grown up her whole life inside the company, rarely traveling outside of the building and almost never unsupervised – all of which resulted in mal-adjusted social skills. How she had a, kind of, sexualization of her electrical power. And how she responded to everything on a very emotional, almost infantile level. This first scene, was very much one where she was discovering this character. It, I believe, was very different from anything she’s done before. As we progressed through the scene, I kept encouraging her to take more and more chances and be odder with the character. I discovered a sense that the character was very A/B -1/2, meaning, she viewed everything simplistically as something she desired or didn’t desire, and she either got her way or didn’t. So everything is very “want-get,” “want-don’t get,” “don’t want-get”, or “don’t want- don’t get.” Elle appears a very mature sexualized young woman, but she has a child’s perspective on the world. Anyway, after the firsts scene she grabbed a hold of the character and ran with it. Most of her scenes were with Milo in the cell and the two had a good time playing off each other. As I mentioned before, I kept my coverage simple. There are usually only a few shots in each scene and I tried to let the masters play as long as I could wherever I could. Shooting less coverage, ultimately, gave the actors more time to play with each other in the scenes. I hope for good benefit.

KRISTEN AND MILO PART ONE

KRISTEN AND MILO PART DEAUX

KRISTEN AND MILO - “AN ACTOR PREPARES”

That’s almost it. I also want to thank our hair people for creating a great wig for Milo Ventimiglia. Wigs are tough and this was a good one. It was interesting that when Milo put it on, it seemed to throw him immediately back into last year’s character.

AND NOW – ONTO THE PIX!!!

HYDEN PANITIERRE – GREEN ON GREEN

THE PAPERAZZI STALK ADRIAN WHEREVER HE GOES

ADRIAN, HAYDEN AND MILO

MICAH’S TV BIRTHDAY

ALI AND LEANORD RE-LIVE THE DISCO YEARS

ALI, BLOODY ALI

BATTLE OF THE DOMINICAN BEAUTIES

DANIA RAMIREZ – THE SCENE GOT CUT BUT THE LIGHTING IS SOOO PRETTY!!!

SISTER DANIA (SUNDAY SCHOOL REGISTRATION JUST WENT UP!!!)

JIMMY JEAN LOUIS LOVES YOU

ONE COLD NIGHT MY OLD PAL MICHAEL ROSENBAUM (I.E. LEX FROM ‘SMALLVILLE”) SHOWED UP TO VISIT

THERE WERE MANY CELEBRITIES THAT NIGHT

ZACHARY LEVI (FROM NBC’S “CHUCK”) EVEN SHOWED UP – LIKE I SAID IT WAS A CELEB HEAVY NIGHT

JEPH LOEB AND I LAUGH IT UP ON SET (BUT IS IT ME? OR JESSA-GREG IN THE MIRROR???)

MILO ON THE DOCK SET (WE USED BLUE SCREEN IN THE BACKGROUND TO MATTE IN NEW YORK – WE ALSO ADDED THE SNOW)

MILO VENTIMIGLIA – SHIRT OR NO SHIRT A MAN’S GOTTA TEXT!

PETER BATTLES THE HAITIAN

AND IF THAT WEREN’T ENOUGH – HERE’S STORYBOARDS!!! (I THINK YOU’LL FIND WE FOLLOWED THEM PRETTY CLOSELY)

355 comments:

I just got done watching the episode. I was very excited for tonight, but I found myself a little underwhelmed. Not sure why. I wasn't much surprised by anything that happened (granted, I have treated myself to much speculation and spoilers). I think I just need some time to 'digest' this. and let it all fit together for me.

Thanks for doing this blog! I enjoy coming here every week to peek behind the scenes and let my "Heroes time" continue a little longer.

I was excited to read what Tim Kring said about the season so far. Hopefully he doesn't take any fan feedback to an extreme. Although I have had complaints this season, I really love this show. I think the show will hit an equilibrium before long (as long as this strike gets resolved soon). Regardless, I will be watching until there is no more.

I really loved this week's episode and I feel like the show I know and love is coming back in a way. It's refreshing.

It's great that even though you like to keep it simple there were still so many fantastic shots in this episode! I definitely have to watch it a few more times to comment properly, but yeah...some great shots. Obviously the shot of the pills going down the drain is significant but it was such a quick thing and you made it looks so beautiful.

I also loved all of the focus on the Angela/Heidi interaction. It's all about the touching. I remember last year, people were speculating about Angela's abilities and now everyone is excited because their suspicions are being confirmed.

I really dug the phasing thing too. I can't remember if we got to see the inside of the walls last season. Either way, it was a nice touch.

What a horrible way for DL to die, by some creepy dude in a night club. How sad :'(

I'm still curious about where Sylar went, how Matt/Mohinder/Molly (or M3) got together. I found it kind of odd that you had Alejandro and Maya go back four months ago.. when they're new to the show. It was basically the same stuff they've been doing in the past. Maya freaks.. Alejandro looks like he's constipated.. everyone heals. We know what happens with them. I think the time spent on them could've went to the original characters we care about more. I literally fast forwarded their scenes on my DVR. I just don't care.

Not to say that the directing and writing wasn't flawless. It was, because you guys are awesome. I just think that taking the twins back in time was pointless.

The Petrelli storyline was everything I'd hoped it would be and more, and I'd built up some BIG expectations, so major kudos for that. Thank you! The flying scenes not only looked great, but, most importantly, worked perfectly emotionally.

I'll keep this short this week (I know, shocking!), but I would, of course, like to throw in a plug for Angela again. As ever, she was amazing and scene-stealing, and if I'm not mistaken, we got a particularly strong hint at her power tonight. So, when is Christine Rose going to be made a regular???

I found myself left with several issues, small and large, still not making sense: How did Adam know everything that had happened outside? How did Nathan grow that massive hobo-beard in two weeks? If D.L. could phase his head to avoid a punch, why couldn't he phase his chest to avoid a gunshot?

That said, the flying scene? Awesome! I love the way Milo carries himself when Peter is using all of his powers, and those shots (and the hospital as well) were just solid. Keep up the good work.

First and foremost I want to join my voice to the chorus of thank yous for taking the time to interact with us, the fans, and to give us insight to the behind the scenes inner workings of the show. It is a very gracious act on your part.

On to tonight's episode. Overall it did a great job of getting the show back on track and getting us ready for the adreline rush. It stinks that the writers strike is going to steal the momentum that was long in coming.

The good. The pieces fit together very nicely in regards to Nathan, Peter, and Elle. Kristen Bell is a fabulous actor who plays her infantile egomaniac character to perfection.

The bad. I still havent figured out where the mysterious box Peter was carrying came from that the Irish thugs used as leverage against him(the one containing his identity). Its hard to imagine that Peter could hold on to it in the midst of running from the Haitan. I am also having a problem figuring out how being beyond harm also guards against all signs of aging. At what point do you stop aging? Will Claire remain looking 17 for the rest of her life?

The Ugly. I have to agree that the tme spent on the "new heroes" would have been much better spent telling us what happened to Sylar at the end of season 1. Who told miss shape shifter to snatch him? Why? Why doesnt he have his powers now?

And the miscellaneous. Geeze louise did DL get a raw deal! Didnt he learn his lesson about not phasing out when someone is pointing a gun at him from his encounter with Lindeman? I was laughing to myself remembering that an old college professor of mine once told me that "the bane of every great man is a woman that never deserved him in the first place." (True Story).

I am still hopeful that the Adam, Nightmare-man Parkman, first generation of heroes tie-in is going to be a good one. "Save the city from the virus" is too similar to "save it from a bomb" to be the season's glue. IMHO the tie in coupled with the heroes being not as successful as they would like to be in the end is the key for a great transition.

I thought everything involving the Petrellis was awesome in this episode. Adam and Elle were great as well. However, I absolutely HATED the storyline involving the twins -- it literally added nothing new to what we already knew. I'm sorry, but it really felt like a waste of time.

Thanks for taking the time to write this blog. I always look forward to reading it each week.

Fantastic episode tonight. Having said that, I think people would have been more impressed if this was the first episode that we saw in the season.

The good stuff: Nathan and Peter flying across the ocean was awesome. The special fx, the facial expression on both actors, the bond that you know exist between the brothers it's all there. One question though: does Nathan being able to grow his beard so quickly is because he now has Kensei's regeneration power?

Angela manipulating Heidi in the hospital. It was really cruel of her to say something like that about the son who was suffering from burns. But that's Angela for you. Good acting from Christine Rose though although again, Angela makes me angry just thinking about it.

The ok stuff: The Haitian helping Peter when he got to Ireland. Niki and DL story although I can't believe we see another personality coming out of her.

The bad stuff: the wonder twins. I feel sorry for Dania Ramirez because her acting is awesome just like Ali Larter but the character is just not interesting like the others.

Elle. Well, I'm not sure if it's the acting or what but I really don't like the over-the-top personality. Her scene with Peter was annoying to say the least

I agree with everything the second anonymous poster stated. It was great to see Leonard back, but I wish he could have gone out a different way. Ah well, at least we got to see a little bit of D.L.

The Petrelli stuff in here was awesome, and I loved everything between Peter and Nathan and Angela and Heidi (I guess we know what Mrs. P's power is now!)

However I wondered why Sylar was completely left out of the storyline when the promo said we'd find out about him. I know we can fill in the blanks, but I would have loved to see if Bob had anything to do with his treatment and possibly experimenting the "Haitian pills" on him. Shalim and Dania are great actors, don't get me wrong, but I found their backstory unnecessary. Also, what about Molly, Mohinder, and Matt? I thought we were going to see how they decided to all move in together.

All that said, your directing was amazing as always and I love reading your blog. The storyboard and pics are great and I'm still looking forward to the next episode!

THis episode really hit me hard in making me realize just how much I missed DL and how sad it is to think that Leonard isn't going to be on the show anymore. His character hit all the right notes this episode, and it just seems like such a waste to have DL killed off in such a way.

I'm quite interested in Adam/Kensei (Kensadam? Adamsei?) so seeing more and more of him was definitely a huge plus!

I do have to echo my fellow posters here though in asking where Sylar was. It's too bad that the promos hyped him up and we didn't find out anything regarding him. I was really looking forward to that.

In the end though, I wanna thank you and the rest of the Heroes team for continuing to make the show something that I look forward to week after week!

A good episode. Love the flashback with Nathan and Peter. But like others have said, we should have seen this in the first episode. That way we won't have a repeat of the twins losing control of their power again and again and again. It's the repetition that's killing the series.

As someone who does storyboarding as a part of my major, I was so excited to see the boards for this episode. The art is very interesting, and provided lots of detail! There was nice likeness for a lot of the characters, DL and HRG in particular. But there seemed to be issues with screen direction, heh. I think it translated quite well on screen, however! Great work on the episode, you guys, it was fantastic.

The Petrelli stuff was done fairly good and Niki having another personality was done well, but everything was just as anyone could predict. Nothing really happened in the episode. And what everyone wanted to know was what happened exactly to Sylar and why within those four months....and nothing, just more rehash of the twins in exactly the same scenario we've seen all season. No one's really developed at all with the exception of Peter. However, at least Kring has recognized that these episodes this season are not up to snuff, and that all these issues should be fixed after the strike. It's just disheartening to go back to mediocre after I thought the last episode was getting the show on track towards the "now" season finale.

Greg, you gotta have a one on one with Tim Kring and convince him to write every episode ala Straczynski. OK, that's not fair, but he needs to write many of the episodes because he gets it right most of the time. Oh, you should do all the directing, too. You and Tim make a great team.

Love the blog, never felt a reason to post, but I enjoyed the episode emmensely and just had to say something.

My only problem was with the way DL died, but then, that's probably the intent.

Fine, "everyone" may be reaching, but its one of the smarter things that begs explaining if you actually remember what happened in the episode. Candice didn't just save him because she felt like it, she was ordered to. She did get a call, and had to hang up because Sylar was waking up. And I did say "why", not just how, there must be a reason they were chosen to be in the forest for no good reason. What exactly happened within that time frame was never explained entirely also, unless it was four months worth of recovery time, which is pushing it a bit. They might explain all this stuff later in the season, but "Four Months Ago" would've been a perfect time to do so and end on a good cliffhanger. I understand that you want to defend the show, but there's no need to start attacking, I just miss how great the show was last season.

first...i wanna kiss gregs ass...he really brings out the best in all the actors, even milo...which must be a chore, as his acting chops are as limited as keanu reeves...the only complaint i have is with micah...the giggling has gotta go, especially when you see that he has been helping hannah find out about her family...let the kid be a little more serious

i thought it was a good epi...not great, and not earth shattering

sorry, but the xfile wonder twins still bring the show to a screeching halt...i really didnt care about their origin

im also not enamored with the plot device of kensei having healing blood

nor did i like the death of dl, which was telegraphed and obvious, especially since he was able to phase a sucker punch, but not a gun pressed to his chest

i would really like kring to turn over head writing duties to someone else, and stay in the exec producer's chair

i really hope that kensei is the brains behind the entire operation...would hate to think that the company was so stupid as to put him in a cell next to peter

oh...and bob must die

the crispy nathan effects were indeed excellent...and really cool that rosenbaum showed up on set...he is the only reason why i continue to watch smallville...now there is a great villian

yeah cool episode and all but what did happen to sylar????? that was not answered in the episode like it led you to belive from last weeks preview ... im expecting for him to come threw and kill alot of people and kick alot of ass here soon ... or this season was a a wast ...thats three more episodes to make him look like a bad ass again ... im doubtful for it comeing threw ...

>> Candice didn't just save him because she felt like it, she was ordered to. She did get a call, and had to hang up because Sylar was waking up.

I don't think finding out who hired Candace to take Sylar to the jungle and the purpose need full flashback. It could just be referred to in the next episode. I think the problem here is NBC marketing monkeys didn't just do a promo for episode 8 but rather for the whole 4 remaining episodes (thus the flashes of Claire running in the beach, HRG awakes looking shocked, etc). People, however, assumes that Sylar will be on this episode.

>> They might explain all this stuff later in the season, but "Four Months Ago" would've been a perfect time to do so and end on a good cliffhanger.

Yeah, but all of the slots for flashback are occupied. The only characters who don't really need flashback here are the twins. And maybe they could have cut down the Elle part of the story. But those oversight themselves are not good enough reason to make one condemn the entire episode.

>> I just miss how great the show was last season.

That kind of statement is just silly especially after you admitted that the only reason you're upset is because Sylar is not in the episode. Ever wonder that it's probably because at this stage, ZQ already has to film "Star Trek" and can't find a time to shoot his part for the episode? Meanwhile, shooting for the episode must go on, so they end up having a "Four Months Ago" without him.

Personally I think this is a great episode. I've been waiting for an explanation behind Nathan and Peter's situation and the episode deliver on that. Ditto with the mysterious death of DL (although I'm not to keen on the actual delivery - I thought he died from virus or something like that) and the involvement of Angela and the Haitian in the big picture.

Having said that, I can understand why others are upset with the lack of their favorite characters. I think this episode should have been a two-parter (ie. "Four Months Ago part 1" and "Four Months Ago part 2"). Let's face it, the addition of the new characters reduces the already tight screen time available for the original regulars.

Just wanted to say... its BACK! The show is now making sense. I KNEW this would be the episode to do it. I have enjoyed this season. One thing I will not like is if the strikers cant come up with a deal... (or..heck maybe the writers could...uhhh underground write or something and magically a few new scripts appear for a few of the shows.....hmmm lol) I do not think I can wait until next September to see new episodes!!!! Yeah I know.. 3 more new episodes...It just feels like the season is getting started. It just isn't fair~!

I am a bit concerned with the mistreatment of female and minority characters on the show. It seems that the minority characters are not being expanded so they become expendable. And the female characters are being written physically strong but mentally weak. What is up with that?

And I hope that you don't forget about Caitlin. I would be a missed opportunity if you didn't save her or expand her character. The show could really use a female without abilities within the central storyline as you have done with HRG, Mohinder and Ando.

Mr. Beeman, thanks once again so much for the blog. The info was top notch and the pictures and story boards were awesome. I just watched both "Out of Time" and "4 Months Ago" back to back and I was totally blown away. I'll be greatly excited to watch the behind the scenes commentary on both of these episodes.

Someone said above that they were confused about Peter's box in Ireland and how he ended up with it. The box wasn't Peter's (correct?) Ricky simply took Peter's belongings (the plane ticket, passport, photo, etc... that Adam had given him) when he found Peter and put them in a box and then used the box as leverage to get Peter to help him. The box was really hyped up, I know, but the box wasn't actually something that Peter was carrying around with him. Just the container that Ricky put his items into.

I agree on one point about Sylar. Why was he included in the promo for 4 Months Ago if he wasn't going to be in the episode? I realize he his busy filming Star Trek right now and that's fine. I really like him, but the show doesn't suffer for me without him. But, it was a little irritating to see him in the preview and not in the episode. The other poster may be correct in saying that the promo for 4 Months Ago was really a promo for the rest of Volume 2 and that's fine, but it made it "seem" like he was going to be in the episode.

I think the show is progressing wonderfully. I hate that Tim Kring has taken so much flak from so many of the fans about slow story progression and too many new characters/too many unanswered questions... because that's not how all of us feel. I personally LIKE a lot of unanswered questions. I like mystery. I like trying to figure things out. And while some people feel like they are being strung along... I feel like that is the way the show keeps us coming back... we keep tuning in for the answers. And I understand that you are going to have to introduce new characters from time to time to keep the show fresh and new and evolve new story plots. The twins aren't my favorite storyline, but I have a feeling that by the end of the season, that opinion might change. I know there is a point to them and probably a pretty significant one.

I hate that the strike is continuing. I feel for the writers but I hope things are resolved soon so that the end of volume 2 doesn't have to be the end of season 2. That would be really disappointing.

Anyway, thanks for the awesome blog as always Greg!!! Loved all the info and I'll look forward to next weeks (off to watch your commentary with Milo) :)

However, I think it would have worked better if it had come earlier in the season. As it was, the on media res stuff was more frustrating than tension-building.

It was so awesome seeing DL again; I really wish he wasn't dead! The Nikki-DL-Micah family unit was great; they were so cute together. Getting shot by a skeezy dude in a nightclub at the conclusion of a nice character arc is better than dying off-screen with no explanation, but he's still not around any more! :( I have a friend who is still convinced it's a comic-book-style fake-out (nobody ever dies for good in comics), but all that blood-spray was pretty convincing to me.

(I agree with the other posters that it seems arbitrary that NOW he fails to phase at the last minute, when he previously managed to miraculously rescue himself from snipers, sucker-punches, etc. And yes, I get that random violence happens, but couldn't have happened to somebody else?)

one thing i would have liked to have seen in the episode was a reveal of adam being kaito's killer, but i can see why they might hold that for later if they're going for some sympathy for our immortal friend.

I'm on board with almost everyone else in saying that this episode (and the last) were good, and shows that Heroes is starting to come back around. However, there are still some things that drive me absolutely nuts about this show, and I can't understand how these things make it into the show.

For example, everyone has already talked about this, but DL dying... are you kidding me? He phases out to avoid a punch that comes out of nowhere, but he can't phase out to avoid a bullet from a gun that he sees coming? Did he suddenly get ridiculously stupid? How does something like that, something that pivotal, make it from idea to script to actual filming and no one stops to say "Hey, why doesn't he just phase out? That gun is really hard to miss." It makes NO sense to me.

I understand if there's a need to kill a character, but don't do it in such an insulting manner to both the character and the viewers watching.

Another example: Peter spends two months in the facility before realizing that he's actually in a prison? And a month goes by talking to Adam before he even tells him his name? It smacks of sloppy writing to me, really sloppy, and I wish... no I pray that someone up there would say "Hey, this doesn't make any sense."

Even though it's a show about people with superpowers, there has to be SOME sense of realism in the character portrayals for us as viewers to buy in to it, and things like this make it really hard. I could list about 18 more examples of these moments where I just go "Hrnh...?" but I really don't want to, because I'm not here rip anyone. At least not a lot.

So... overall, it was a good show. But there are some truly ridiculous moments scattered throughout that just drive me crazy, especially with so many talented people working on this show.

An awesome episode! It answered almost all my questions in an unexpected and brilliant way. I loved the flight scene with Peter and Nathan when Peter went nuclear and how, after exploding, he managed to recall his flying ability and save his brother. You managed to clear once and for all why Peter didn't manage to fly away on his own from Kirby Plaza at the end of season 1. The nuclear explosion he was preparing was preventing him to use his other abilities. That's why once he went boom he managed to fly back and save his brother from falling.I loved how the mistery concerning Nathan's distorted image in the forst episodes of this season was solved and how you managed to fit Adam in the storyline.I was sorry you didn't manage to give us an insight into how Molly, Mohinder and Matt became a family, but we got a general idea from the previous episodes. Instead you chose to answer more burning questions (Peter and Nathan's fate, Nathan's distorted face and why his marriage was over, Maja and Alejandro's story, Elle's story, DL's fate) in this episode.You have done a remarkable job for just a 42 minute episode!

Again, some people complain about the fact that time was given to explain Maja and Alejandro's background. I don't agree. IT was interesting and scary, too. I feel pretty much the same about them as I did last year concerning Nikki/Jessica. I simply couldn't understand what her power really was and what her purpose was in the storyline, but it became cleared later on in the season.I'm sure it will be the same here, that's why I'm really looking forward to the next three episodes!

I can say that the whole wedding scene with the twins and the flight scene with my brothers from a different mother were very cool.

However, you guys wasted a lot of time in this episode whether it be the second twins scene or any of the multitude of Niki scenes.

The storytelling style you used this week was great, a nice departure from the typically character based story telling to a time based one. I really liked the change of pace it brought.

Another complaint is, besides Peter's story and Niki's story line. We didn't see much else. It would've been neat to see more of the aftermath of the bomb (how would they explain that to the authorities?!). Again, as everyone is echoing, SYLAR! it was a huge mistake on your guys' part to not include one of the shows most beloved and revered villain/anti-hero...whatever! The point is, many were expecting an explanation of how Sylar lost his abilities and if they had a scene with Bob, Sylar, and Candice...that would've rocked!

Another thing I loved can be summed up in two words: David Anders! He is my favourite character this season and h has such this charming and yet manipulative way to him that I can never quite understand what his true motivations may be. Which made this whole escape thing and "saving the world" thing making me wonder if he's showing Peter his full deck or if he's simply using Peter as a weapon as he did with Maury Parkman.

That brings me to my final (I swear!) point. This episode cut corners! When Elle shocked Adam, I so wanted there to be some sort of fight. Tag team match! And even though this show is a character based drama, you could've tossed us (the fans) a bone and made that scene a tad longer to include a better fight.

All in all, I felt this episode was an improvement above the others this season. Story wise I was dissapointed that you guys focused on DL and Niki and not Sylar!

Maybe you can make it up to us and just give Sylar his abilities back so he can kill Alejondro and fall in love with his dominican princess

Last night's show was fantastic, Greg! I had a blast on set last month with you and Jeph. It was awesome seeing the finished version of the scene with Maya using her powers for the first time. Keep up the amazing work, and keep up the blogs too!Have a great week!

Thanks so much for the amazing in-depth blogs! I just wanted to say that Heroes is back on track, and I am finished making less than positive comments about things I didn't agree with and just go with the flow of great storytelling. The e-mail I recieved from my dad this morning pretty much sums it up.

"I do not like Bob. I do not like Bob indeed. And just when I think I might have a handle on what is going on, that sadist Tim Kring does a juke dance on my quivering brain again !!! I do believe his purpose with this show is to remind me each week that he is a story telling God and that I should grovel and praise his presence in my meager existence. AND THE HAITIAN DUDE !!!"

Exactly. I am wondering about these last three episodes though. Is the last going to wrap up this storyline, like a finale? Or is it going to be open? I just really hope that things don't get rushed to have a pretty conclusion because of the strike. Let's all just make peace, give the writers the money they deserve, and get back to doing and enjoying what we love. Okay?

I second the "underwhelmed" part. The Nathan and Peter stories were just fine, but the twins were just lame. Sure, show the wedding death, but then, leave it!

I almost turned off the TV when Niki developed yet *another* alter-ego.

And what's with promising us, in the preview, to find out what happened to Sylar, and then not showing us?

Heroes is *dragging* this season. I find myself wishing to see more of Bob than the other characters, and that's just bad. I hope the Kensei/Adam plotline goes places quickly, but I can't imagine how to tell a really big story without it feeling rushed now.

Congratulations on yet another amazing episode. I was disappointed by this season up to 2.06, but the last 2 eps have just been amazing.

After watching "Out of Time" and "4 Months Ago," I've come to the conclusion that I enjoy the show a lot more when Hiro and Peter are back in the main action. There were lots of good moments and scenes before, but having these guys tie everything together gives the show a cohesiveness, makes it more than the sum of its parts. It makes Heroes feel like Heroes, if you know what I mean.

There hasn't yet been a profanity invented that can express how great that episode was, so I'll just say "That was extremely good, and thank you again, Greg and Tim." You're fast becoming my favorite script/director team on the show. The bullet train is back on track!

I would have liked more revelation about some characters that weren't in the episode - maybe I was expecting something like Six Months Ago, instead of an episode that focused on Peter's escape. But it was still a fantastic episode - flying scenes were great!

I wonder if I'm the only one that likes the twins' story. The only issue I had with their scene is we still haven't found out what exactly their powers are doing and why. So I will wait til next week...I wonder if Mr. Bennett will die.

At the picture of Ali Larter with blood on her face : Wasn't the scene shot with DL to her left? So wouldn't all the blood be on the left side of her face? I remember watching the episode and all the blood went to the left side or her face didn't it?

I'd like to thank Tim Kring for what he said on the article http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20158840,00.html

That was very impressive and it was done in such an elegant way.

Related to the 8th episode, Kris Kramer wrote the key points in this post, again. I agree with the entire comments.

Adding more to them, it seems that the story of the twins was completely unnecessary. It doesn't explain anything or adds anything to the story. If you watch the episode without the twins segments, you'll realize that it doesn't affect the storyline of that episode or the general one.

It could have used that time to tell the story of other characters like Parkman and Mohinder renting a place and taking Molly with them. As well as the alliance with Noah to go after The Company.

The show really needs the life that was never there in the beginning. It was an improvement but there still remains to see the next episodes.

One way to do this is by getting rid of some characters, specially the ones that add nothing to the story while keeping the ones thatare vital part of it. Example, keep Sylar (I can't stand the character) but he is vital part of it.

If you get rid of:

- One of the twins, thus still having the change of developing one of them (both are annoying on scene)- Sparky (electricity chick..I don't even care to remember the character's name)- Caitlin (What was her role again?)- West

It was good to see sparks of what made this show an awesome show in the first season.

what a waste of time with the mexican twins... should have used that to show sylar man. They are the worst thing about this season. Lame... I like elle.. probably the only character worth adding. The show has so much potential to be the best. Maybe we need a better filter as to what gets on screen.. or fire the lame writer who came up with the twins... boooring... still... Heroes is the BEST show on TV congrats on that fact. peace - Rob

Voice over - great - and the effects were ok this time. The problems I have are with the script I guess, not just this one but the general direction, we get a shorter "volume" by design yes it doesn't seem to move faster just slower, many new characterswho'm I have entirely failed to connect with except possibly Adam/Kensei,in no small part due to David Anders I'm sure (and I'm a man) - Kristen Bell is generally good but we haven't really seen enough of her to get pastthe annoying psychopath stage and for me the twins have failed to be anythingbut annoying since they seem to run in place doing the same things over and over,yes we get it she kills people and its bad. Anyway, good shot you got ofHayden there, you made her look tall! *g* (Even if she is standing out of focus)

Oh, and enough of the gender discrimination, if you are going to showtopless men, show topless women as well!

All in all, nice episode.I want to thx you for the blog and for that great series, and Tim kring for his 'apologies' because i really think it takes guts to do so, plus he made a good analysis of what went( a bit) wrong in season 2. Thank you, Mr Kring, for listening and caring! Bravo!'4 months ago'was well-built.Not really surprising but interesting.Like most of the people, i tried but just can't get interested in the twins story: Sure, she killed a LOT of people...But not willingly,it was an accident! I mean, it has much less impact than when Sylar kills, in his sexy predatory way: AND with humor! ('It is usually the part when ppl start screaming ':-)I need more humor, and cynism and Sylar is in pole position for that.Speaking of him!!!!! What? Zachary was only available for a few episodes in this half-season and you bury him in a second-hand story with nothing really happening, spending most of his time in a car...Let me tell you:BAD CHOICE! I guess we will at last, see some typical (or not) Sylar action but we have only 3 zodes left anyway: not enough for this strong character.I can't buy Elle too. She's acting like a femme fatale from 1940 with Peter.Turn the electricity into a cigarette, you'll see.It's too weird.Not her sadism, but the way she's speaking or moving.Its like: she's an actor playing an actor who is acting...It's FAKE.Even when she's starting to reveal herself'i never went swimming..blabla' it's not natural at all...I don't know..Ok: i'm french, maybe i don't perceive the things the same...In french forums, they disliked the way DL died: they think it's so stupid, after NOT dying from Linderman bullets, he dies from a small gangster's gun for nothing..I don't agree, in fact,i do think it's a great idea: Showing how life is nothing, how you can lose it without warnings, being a hero or not, if taken off guard only for a few seconds.It takes nothing to make a hero fall.Une pichenette.It's an important idea to let ppl realise that in fact!Thanks again for the great show, i really hope the strike will lead to a resolution, as soon as possible, though im totally with the strickers! (do you say strickers in english?)I myself will strike soon:-)

Does Peter need to make out with every girl on the show..seriously? I mean everybody rides on him he's like a man whore. I like him, I do but please enough pimping of him with girls. There are other guys too in the show.

And also since he came in contact with Adam, does this mean he's immortal too or if not immortal , will he age slowly? If yes, then how many more women are you gonna hook up with him?

Every women who will come into his life will age and die eventually while he will remain young and alive. eeeh. Have the writers thought about that one? He is basically doomed when it comes to relationships. Imagine, him looking young and then his wife or gf is 60 years old.lol

There was a very important question answered last night. Peter apparently absorbs abilities whether they are dormant or not. That said he has super-hearing and the ability to melt things down thanks to his second encounter with Sylar (amazing how he has never struggled with it when Dale and Sylar both did), not to mention his new phase out and the ability to block others powers/steal memories compliments of the Haitan. I am curious though if the blocking power is always on naturally or if the Haitan has to focus on that (remember season 1 when Parkman unbeknownst to the Haitan was trying to read his mind, but having extreme difficulty).

Peter now has so many different powers that it is virtually impossible for him to use them all or how to logically decide which one to use (e.g. does he phase through a wall when he could melt it ala Ted or liquify it). It was cool to see him use invisibility again (my personal favorite).

BTW Any word on Claud Raines. It seems that when he walked out the door he really walked out the door.

Thank you for sharing all those behind the scene pictures and storyboards. This is such a treat each week.

I found myself intrigued by the Peter-Elle-Adam storyline. Interesting dynamics between those three and great chemistry between Milo and Kristen and Milo and David. But my favorite part was the Petrelli brothers backstory. I'm really missing their interacting this season.

The Petrelli brothers interaction was probably the best part of last night's episode. I wonder if we'll ever get stories where the two work together. They never had the chance last season because Nathan was too busy with his campaign but it should be interesting to see them in an adventure or case solving stories like Nathan and Parkman a few episodes ago.

- And probally worst of all... The way DL died... Am I the only one disappointed on the way DL died? He becomes a hero, only to be gunned down like a poor sap... And to think, I actually liked his character in this episode... A fire man suited him... I guess all good deeds don't come unpunished.. I hope he comes back one day... It would of been better if he died of complications in the hospital... At lease than, he would of died more heroically... Saving his wife from Linderman... -_-

I'm sorry Greg, you did a really great job directing this episode... And I love the show, but this was just too much to grasp... Too many questions left unanswered...But I have a great feeling about Exodus!!!! :)

Listen Greg, I'm a big fan of heroes and i really like it but you guys REALLY messed up season 2. I wish you could see it from the viewer's pov. For you, the story works out fine coz, well, you wrote it but we get the story in weekly installments. So obviously we can't remember everything, and things stop making sense when that happens. What i hate the most is how you leave out some characters in each episode. i just lose interest when that happens.

I really hate the way Claire and Hiro dominated the early episodes of the season. I think all of their scenes could have been trimmed down and given to other characters. Similarly, we really didn't need to see the twins doing their "cry and spill" act every single episode. The premiere should have started with the wedding scene from this week's episode and then just let them meet Sylar right away.

Thankfully this episode is a step towards improvement. It was nice to see all of the original characters reunited on screen at Kirby plaza and the fallout from Nathan and Peter's fireworks in the sky. Despite this, there are still some misfirings. Elle, for example was annoying and unnecessary in this episode. She should have been left out so we can find out what happened to Sylar and Matt/Mohinder after the incident. The twins were not bad but after 7 episodes of watching them crying black oil, it's a case of too much. And oh God, next week we have to see West and Claire. Again.

Hello. Yes, it's me again. I watched the commentary. Very enjoyable - nice eye candy. LOL (sorry, Milo) But I always enjoy "your" commentaries the most. They are the most lively and informative, I think. Can you tell us which episode you will be doing commentary on next? Will you do any of the last 3 episodes? (cries - please let the strike end soon) And if so, which actor will be doing commentary with you next time? ~Nicky

oh my god this is soo crap.. i mean i totally feel for the writters and i think they should continue to strike until they get a fair deal, but man i hope they succeed soon. this season was just beginning to build up to what could have been an even better season than last and now its going to be wrapped up in three more epiodes:( i would rather be left hanging for however long it takes for the strike to end that to have to see them wrap season 2 up in 11 eps.

I agree. If the strike isn't resolved by the eleventh episode then we (the audience) should just wait until they are ready to continue their high quality work. It seems a waste to finish season two so soon.

The last 2 posters don't seem to realize that Chapter 2 was scheduled to end on Episode 11 anyway (even if there had been no strike). Episode 11 would air as the final part of the "Generations" chapter, and then we would go on the winter hiatus, and then Ep 12 would have been the start of Chapter 3. So the strike will just be stopping us from going to Chapter 3.

My only concern is about the last minute rewrite of Ep 11. Hopefully the rewrite is not too different from the original ending they had planned.

I've just seen this blog for the first time, keep doing it, I just love your commentaries and - yeah, I'm a little bit curious - I've always wanted to know how it was on set. I guess I know, now =]You guys are making an incredible job on 'Heroes' I must congratulate you and the whole team... I don't watch TV a lot but this show is the only one I can't miss, it's kinda philosophic (sp?) I just love it. By the way, this episode was just perfect, and Elle - performed by amazing Kristen Bell - is wonderful !

Despite the mediocre feedback this season, I have been a HUGE fan of every episode. And I truly hope the writer's strike doesn't keep you all from moving forward with the rest of this stellar season. I can't live without guys! I dream about Sylar every night!

Hey I dont mind if Milo goes shirtless just as long as Kirsten, Ali and Hayden all do the same (equal time and all). Heck in the interest of being fair, they could even keep their tops on if any or all three pranced around in a thong for a little while ;).

i am so bumped out that you guys have to cut the season short. its just been getting real good. but hopefully you guys have been listening to the criticism that the fans have been making... i just love this episode though awesome job with the effects and telling the story the way you did!

just got finishing this episode, I thought it was one of the best so far. I loved it. But I do agree with the other post-er. What happened to sylar, mohinder, matt. I would also love to Mohinder's story sketched out more. He is hot! Maybe something about his dad, or a long lost brother, sister, cousin or friends shows up in NY and they have some powers, and why his father didnt tell Mohinder about them, anything, But great work, I'll be watching til the end.

Part 2: *Avi, God bless you. "I wonder if I'm the only one that likes the twins' story", you said. Well, I'm starting to think that it's just the two of us. But I am FED UP with people being SO hateful and rude about Maya y Alejandro. As someone who is half-Latin American, I am sensing an anti-immigrant, borderline racist feelings in this anti-"wonder twins" sentiment. Think maybe Maya should be the maid for Claire and the Bennett family and Alejandro can do their yard work? As for their story being the same over and over, it's a LONG trip to get to US. And each time it's slightly different; in the premiere, we didn't see her power actually in use; next ep, first time we see her ability in action; next ep, it's the first time she uses her ability on purpose; next ep, we see Sylar start to influence her and it brings up questions of morality and abusing one's power.

*I know I might get attacked for this, but I wish Sylar had not made it to the 2nd season. How long can his story possibly go on?? He likes to kill people. Steal their powers sometimes. That's about it. I'd say one season is enough.

If it makes you feel any better, as much as I like Maya y Alejandro, I can't see how their storyline could last more than 1 season.

Also, I fear that Peter is simply getting TOO powerful. Now he presumedly has the Haitian's abilities, so he could dampen the powers of any enemies. And then use pretty much any ability that's ever been on the show. A Rogue-like limited time use of powers would have been better than a permanent storage of powers. The show could get boring if Peter can do EVERYTHING.

Haha this is gonna be a long one; I haven't really commented on anything, so I have SO much built up.

*Mama Petrelli - some kind of telepathy/mind control? That's my guess. In the 'future', did she 'make' Peter remember things?

*Speaking of Peter remembering things, um, healing power does NOT equal regaining memory. Especially since the Haitian's power is mental, and cellular regeneration is physical

*West = devil.

*Niki - I'm pretty sure that's not how Multiple Personality Disorder (more appropriately, Dissociative Identity Disorder) works. You don't just get a new personality cuz one went away. And Gina seems... well, lame, compared to Jessica.

*Sad to see D.L. go, especially like that. Strange, isn't it, the 3 main characters not to make it to season 2 (Simone, Isaac, and D.L.) are all minority characters. Hmm...

* I agree with all who say "save New York from virus" is WAYYY too similar to "save New York from nuclear explosion". Seriously, every season can't involve time travel to learn about ANOTHER catastrophe to save New York from.

*As for new characters, the show HAS to have new characters or it would really get old. Some characters' storylines just can't last as long as others'. (i.e. Sylar; Maya y Alejandro, etc.)

To heroes4ever: I'm not impressed by the twins so far, and it's NOT because of their ethnicity. I understand your frustration with having people you identify with being unpopular characters, but race has nothing to do with it. That would be like me saying that you hate West because he's white, (and I'm sure that you really don't).

People are tired of the twins because their plotline is so repetitive, plus their scenes always include a showcasing of their powers. This would be more necessary if they were involved with the storyline (like when Hiro would teleport or when Sylar would steal someone's power), but this is more like when Claire would have strange, clumsy moments that only served to show us that she can heal. A lot of people were annoyed and said, "We GET it already!" The twins also been traveling for so long without any elaborate character development. That might change in the future but for now, everyone is bored with their storyline because it is both repetitive and static, much like Hiro's and Peter's storylines were until now. I do think that the twins will become important to the main plot, but they might get killed off since the majority of the fans are so dissatisfied with them.

That all said, I agree with you that Peter is getting too powerful now. I'm still confused as to how he managed to tap into D.L.'s power when we never saw Peter's empathy work that way before.

What the? The boring twins non-popularity is not because of their color (I can't believe people actually still believe that kind of thing in this day and age) but because their storyline is repetitive and boring. No one has said anything unpleasant about Monica because her character is interesting. Similarly, Claire and West gets more heat than the twins because they are BORING and CREEP-TASTIC. And wow, they are actually white.

I think the problem here is that the writers tried to introduce too many new characters and make them regulars immediately. This should never be the case. New characters should start out as supporting so the audiences can get used to them instead of being forced to accept them. Otherwise the original regulars get to do nothing and have to sit around while the new characters catch up with them.

"*As for new characters, the show HAS to have new characters or it would really get old"

"Star Trek", "The X-Files", "Buffy the Vampire Slayer", "Stargate", etc all features the same characters throughout their 5-god knows how many seasons and yet they are successful and never got old. It's not a matter of having new characters. It's about using your characters in interesting ways and improving upon their personalities. With the show having so many regulars, I'm sure they'll never run out of character development for these characters. I mean each one probably don't get more than one hour of screen time per season.

I just started watching the show. I'm catching up on Netflix, watching 4 or 5 episodes every night. I am hooked. I'm not going to read this blog until I'm all caught up but at this rate- it should not take long!!! Love it!!!!

I enjoyed this episode but seeing how easily the two short scenes with the Petrelli brothers were the best part of the episode makes you wonder why the characters are kept apart for so long. Separating the brothers was a risk that didn't pay off and I hope their reunion does the 11 episode built up justice.

I thought it was a great episode. I loved learning what happened after last year. Also....who was the bouncer guy at the Los Angeles club? was he someone? I am very suspicious! besides being extremely attractive.....he has "it" I smell spin-off!

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