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This is what he said would follow if the next government made public spending cuts having failed to prepare the public for them. And that is what he says the government is failing to do and used every word for dishonest other than "liar" to describe the prime minister.

Actually he's got a point. At some future date even this administration will have to make severe cutbacks; it's better the govt. started being honest now to prepare public opinion (not much chance of that though!)

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Ah, but is that because of the tactics they are using which stops them from rioting or is it because they weren't going to riot anyway?

In the case of the G20, it was mostly rounding up people at their first protest and make them piss their pants by not letting them move for hours, while those who turned up to hit things where elsewhere, hitting things.

Can't see how it achieved anything, really. Failed both ends up.

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"It is also a glimpse of what Labour has been hoping for. They are counting on the fact that the public will come to associate cuts and their consequences with the Conservative party. They hope that, if the economy recovers before the next election, voters will regard cuts as ideological rather than based on economic necessity or good house-keeping."

Asking 30 Million people to vote for cuts and savings seems harder than promising to borrow more.

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but the issues as i see it is that if they majorly cut spending on the public sector 9dont forget the emergency services are public sector) then there will be little or no police to control the crowd 9whoch with out supervision will turn into a riot/looting) and there will be no/little fire brigade ot sort out the mess.

and/or those police/fire people may be on the rioters side if they have lost their jobs due ot public cuts etc

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but the issues as i see it is that if they majorly cut spending on the public sector 9dont forget the emergency services are public sector) then there will be little or no police to control the crowd 9whoch with out supervision will turn into a riot/looting) and there will be no/little fire brigade ot sort out the mess.

and/or those police/fire people may be on the rioters side if they have lost their jobs due ot public cuts etc

The police will not be cut, neither will defence spending. The police will get lots of new equipment and be quids in with the overtime to deal with rioting masses, and the army can always be counted on to back them up.

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Actually he's got a point. At some future date even this administration will have to make severe cutbacks; it's better the govt. started being honest now to prepare public opinion (not much chance of that though!)

riots are generally what happen when you rob the poor to subsidise billionaires - which is the conservative economic model. the conservatives in the UK and republicans in the US offer socialism for rich people.

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I'd love a bit of a riot and would be delighted to chuck an egg at my theiving MP

Careful what you wish for...

The whole 'thieving MP' meme is really catching on. Over the weekend, I was in a hurry to catch a shop in Bath before it closed - and was rushing through the pedestrian area when I was approached by a man with a clipboard asking if I was "angry about MPs expenses". "No." I said.... Clipboard-man acted staggered... and asked for an explanation. "In context, it's hilarious." I said - as I didn't have time to lecture him on systemic debasement of currency and how the British Treasury and failed UK banking regulations are at the heart of a global monetary system in utter crisis... and how this could plausibly lead to a depression to eclipse the great depression of the 30s.

I think the abuse of the expenses system merely exposes MPs as the dishonest hypocrites the informed always knew them to be - little more and little less.

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The whole 'thieving MP' meme is really catching on. Over the weekend, I was in a hurry to catch a shop in Bath before it closed - and was rushing through the pedestrian area when I was approached by a man with a clipboard asking if I was "angry about MPs expenses". "No." I said.... Clipboard-man acted staggered... and asked for an explanation. "In context, it's hilarious." I said - as I didn't have time to lecture him on systemic debasement of currency and how the British Treasury and failed UK banking regulations are at the heart of a global monetary system in utter crisis... and how this could plausibly lead to a depression to eclipse the great depression of the 30s.

I think the abuse of the expenses system merely exposes MPs as the dishonest hypocrites the informed always knew them to be - little more and little less.

Oh bugger, you have immortalised my speelung mistake.

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riots are generally what happen when you rob the poor to subsidise billionaires - which is the conservative economic model. the conservatives in the UK and republicans in the US offer socialism for rich people.

You mean just like labour has allowed to happen (or rather incentivated) for the last 12 years?

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riots are generally what happen when you rob the poor to subsidise billionaires - which is the conservative economic model. the conservatives in the UK and republicans in the US offer socialism for rich people.

12 years of a Labour Govt. and some people still don't get it.

Nu Lab inherited sound public finances and had a benign economic environment for a decade the millionaires are now billionaires and the rest are struggling to keep a roof over their heads.

But apart from a bit of detail I would blame the Tories "as its the right thing to do" if you are a blinkered nu labour stooge.

I bet Fred the Shred can't wait for a Tory Govt so he can really coin it in of course under this Nu Lab Govt he didn't have any opportunity for a bit of redistribution did he?

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riots are generally what happen when you rob the poor to subsidise billionaires - which is the conservative economic model. the conservatives in the UK and republicans in the US offer socialism for rich people.

Where did you dream up that little fantasy from?

You obviously have no idea what traditional conservatism is all about..........which ain't surprising really because we haven't had real small government conservatism in the UK EVER. If we had, we wouldn't have ended up in this mess.

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In the case of the G20, it was mostly rounding up people at their first protest and make them piss their pants by not letting them move for hours, while those who turned up to hit things where elsewhere, hitting things.

Can't see how it achieved anything, really. Failed both ends up.

Presumably that allows them to arrest people for urinating in a public place ?

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You obviously have no idea what traditional conservatism is all about..........which ain't surprising really because we haven't had real small government conservatism in the UK EVER. If we had, we wouldn't have ended up in this mess.

So this a fantasy conservative party that people vote for in your head?

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You obviously have no idea what traditional conservatism is all about..........which ain't surprising really because we haven't had real small government conservatism in the UK EVER. If we had, we wouldn't have ended up in this mess.

i know exactly what it is all about - if conservatives were honest about their policy (even to their members) - they would be unelectable - as their policies involves screwing the majority in favour of a minority - that minority being entirely un-meritocratic. That is why they rely on PR specialists (starting properly with Saatchi under Thatcher) to lie about what they stand for - current leader is actually a PR specialist (i.e. professional liar). To be fair labour are now as appalling as Conservatives on PR - but it is a fair assumption that the injustice is not as bad under labour as the conservatives.

if you think conservative/republican values are about meritocracy, hard work, just getting on with it - you need to review some academic studies of the reagan thatcher era. Reagan gave enormous subsidies to private companies - just straight public money to private.

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Actually he's got a point. At some future date even this administration will have to make severe cutbacks; it's better the govt. started being honest now to prepare public opinion (not much chance of that though!)

This is something I wrote on a previous post.

I don't think Cameron will be able to put forward the changes to taxation and spending that need to be made. The best outcome would be for the IMF to take over the running of the country before the next election.

We are actually seeing Democracy as a political doctrine hitting the buffers.

In a system where people can vote for the party that gives them access to the government coffers the democratic process eventually fails as the coffers become depleted.

We are at that stage now.

What is needed next would not be acceptible to the voters and the choice is bankrupcy and destitution for the country or a dictatorship (possibly an IMF dictatorship). Or more likely one followed by the other.

Regarding the G20 riots - it was the police who went out of control and killed people so it was a riot of sorts.