Yet another day passes, and Puddy still refuses to repudiate Beck’s characterization of the victims in Nortway as attendees at a “Hitler Youth Camp”. Apparantly he approves of the murder of innocent teens, as long as their families vote differently than he does.

Good on you, Carl, for including mention of Rachel Beckwith in starting this open thread. It is thousands of small donations that is making this happen. That kid showed us the way, folks. Let’s keep it going.

I somehow suspect that you need my help, Goldy, with your selection of verse for this week’s Bible Study. How about instead of setting up your usual Bible bash, how about you post a verse like this and let all of us see you get on board for Rachel’s cause?

“In my view, the American dream of striking it rich is merely a well-marketed fantasy that keeps the bottom 99.5% hoping for better and prevents social and political instability. The odds of getting into that top 0.5% are very slim and the door is kept firmly shut by those within it.”

Yet another day passes, and Puddy still refuses to repudiate Beck’s characterization of the victims in Nortway as attendees at a “Hitler Youth Camp”. Apparantly he approves of the murder of innocent teens, as long as their families vote differently than he does.

Up yours Cass Sunstein idiot. I’m not in country and I surely skip over some of your horsemanure! Since I have no idea whayt Glenn Beck said and I surely don’t take your words for anything… see his commentary over Jim McDimWitt, when I am free I’ll view Glenn’s comments.

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Puddybud, identifying northwest liberals who elected an underexperienced man to the presidency weighed down by an oversized egospews:

The Tea Party advocates within the Republican Party and in Congress claim to represent the ideals of the Founding Fathers. But some are actually encouraging a default: some say it would be a way to push the “re-boot” button on the American economy, others merely hope to use it as a campaign tactic against the president.

So it is a bit ironic that in the book I happened to be reading before work this morning, I came across a discussion of the problems of the budget and financing the Revolutionary War. In 1777 the rapidly depreciating “Continental” paper currency was causing huge price increases, and the Congress resolved that it could no longer continue issue paper money (basically, on “credit”), and instead use taxes to raise the needed money to fund the war. But since Congress had no power to impose a tax itself, it was compelled to ask each of the states to do it for them, and to remit the money to Congress so it could pay it’s bills.

In a resolution issued to each of the states in 1777, the Congress stated:

“A bankrupt faithless republic would be a novelty to the political world, and appear among reputable nations like a common prostitute among chaste and respectable matrons….The pride of America revolts from the idea, her citizens know for what purposes these emissions were made, and have repeatedly plighted their faith for the redemption of them… knowing the value of national character, and impressed with a dues sense of the immutable laws of justice and honor, it is impossible that America should think without horror of such an execrable deed”.

Another do as I say not as I do DUMMOCRAPTIC! Arschloch don’t read this one either…

New regulations require hedge funds with more than $150m under management to report details about investments, employees and investors, and also makes them subject to possible inspections by the SEC. Mr Soros’ decision contrasts with his own reputation as an advocate for both government and corporate transparency.

Running away from Dodd-Frank becuz it will expose his left-wing dealings with so many leftist pinhead web sites

Puddy @ # 9 said: “I’m not in country and I surely skip over some of your horsemanure!”

Well, I skip over most of your comments also, since a majority of them are simply indecipherable. But it’s been almost two days now, and I’ve made repeated calls on you to repudiate Beck’s comments, and you’ve danced back and forth on this board commenting on posts on that thread and others, including some comments by me, so the “out of country” excuse doesn’t cut it.

Besides, Beck’s comments have been all over the news for the past three days.

Speak plainly. Do you condemn Beck, try to excuse him, or agree with him?

Puddy: While we are at it, do you agree or disagree with the thoughts of the Founding Fathers on the consequences of a default on the national debt, as evidenced by their own proclamation in 1777? Or do you dismiss that and accept the Tea Party claim that causing a national default is an acceptable tactic in a political dispute?

Hmmm… it seems there may be some truth to the leftist PINHEAD Piers Morgan involved in phone hacking at The Daily Mirror. It seems the Brits are on the case. All the way from back in 2002. So why hasn’t Media Morons jumped on this…?

It probably because we all know Piers Morgan is a leftist PINHEAD Obummer loving host and his old employer The Daily Mirror is a VERY leftist PINHEAD tabloid. And you know the rest of the story… therefore, because you are a leftist you can do whatever you like without any retribution!

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Puddybud, identifying northwest liberals who elected an underexperienced man to the presidency weighed down by an oversized egospews:

Sorry rhp6033, I haven’t read all the threads and your “threats” do nuthin for me. When I get to it I’ll cruise to Beck’s web site and read the whole comment in it’s entirety. Glad you admit being a Cass Sunstein malleable idiot!

Apparantly he approves of the murder of innocent teens, as long as their families vote differently than he does.

U R an idiot… Beck compared the killer to Osama Bin Laden and the 9/11 terrorists and you make that comment above rhp6033?

“I want to make this very, very clear. This is the act of a madman. This is the act of somebody who needs to be in prison for the rest of their life. This is not anything that anyone should ever engage in. There is no difference between him and the 9/11 bombers. Nothing. No difference. He is just as bad as Osama Bin Laden, period.”

Yet you and others immediately came on this blog and blamed US Conservative and Tea party members for the Norway moron and because you are a lefty that’s A-OK. The crazed HA databaze arschloch screen scraped Google looking for a comparison. He probably failed since I haven’t browsed each site.

Oh BTW Glenn Beck is NOT COVERED where I am at. In fact I don’t understand much of what is broadcasted on TV and I don’t read the newspapers ya idiot! Oh and I usually stay far away from the George Soros based moron sites you love to visit!

Republicans have a terminal case of assfascia over the debt ceiling which they’ve raised happily for Republican Preznits. They also are stuck on “balance” in the face of a freaking economic DEPRESSION. Funny they never cared about that either when the chimpanzee was preznit.

Obama’s ace in the hole:

Invoke the 14th..

Former President Bill Clinton has said he would invoke that option “without hesitation” and leave it to the courts to figure it out.

@16- As always, ButtPutty just smells bad. By following ButtPutty’s own link you find out he’s talking about someone who was also a former Murdock employee and who may have been involved in the British phone hacking scandal.

One must ask the question: This story should be of interest to us…how?

Puddy @ 19: Hmmm, you didn’t address his controversial comments. This raises two possibilities: (a) you went to Beck’w web site and he has cleaned it up since the controversy arose, or (b) you have chosen to “excuse” the controversial comments, by pointing to his other comments.

In case you didn’t see it, the comments which have been frequently quoted here, and in many places elsewhere, were:

“The camp “sounds a little like the Hitler Youth or whatever,” Beck said. “Who does a camp for kids that’s all about politics? Disturbing.”

I know that if the positions were reversed (a liberal gunman attacked a youth camp sponsored by the Republican Party, and anybody other than Fox News made such a comment, you would be outraged and calling for his head. Why the silence here?

Oh, and despite Beck’s feigned incredulity, it seems Beck has himself sponsored political youth camps under the guise of “teaching young people about their heritage and the Constitution” (as he interprets it).

Christian TerrorismIf Muslims are responsible for Islamic terrorism, are Muslim-bashers responsible for the massacre in Norway?

On Friday, anti-Islamist blogger Pamela Geller pounced on news of a massacre in Oslo. “Jihad in Norway?” she asked. She posted a second item—”You cannot avoid the consequences of ignoring jihad”—and linked to a previous one: “Norway: ALL Rapes in Past 5 Years Committed by Muslims.” As the Oslo body count grew, she piled on: “if I hear another television or radio reporter refer to muhammad as ‘the Prophet Muhammad,’ I think I am going to puke. He’s not your prophet, assclowns.”

Then things went horribly wrong. It turned out that the suspected terrorist in Norway wasn’t a Muslim. He hated Muslims. And he admired Geller.

In another of today’s history lessons, let’s look at 1940-41, when Republicans in Congress blocked proposals to fund the new Philipine Army for over two years. Republicans insisted that the territory should pay for it’s own defense. The logjam was only broken when a “sugar tax” was imposed on imports of sugar cane and by-products from the Philipines, with the funds to be used to pay for the Philipine Army. This was, if my memory serves me correct, about August of 1941.

So Gen. MacArthur, who held the dual role of head of U.S. forces in the Philipines and head of the Philipine Army, quickly put together a plan to train the initial core of an army in three groups, with the first to report in November, 1941, after their training camp was established. Those who reported barely had enough time to get organized into units, learn the basics of drill, and issued uniforms before the war began on Dec. 8, 1941 (Philipine time).

Despite being poorly armed and having received only two or three weeks of training, they still fought bravely with the American forces against the Japanese attack, and upon the surrender at Bataan actually suffered worse at the hands of the Japanese victors than did the U.S. forces (which was brutal in and of itself).

So here we have yet one more example of how Republican tax and spending policies are an example of being penny-wise and pound-foolish. They have yet, to this day, failed to accept their share of the responsibility for the fate of the Philipines in WWII, instead trying to float conspiracy theories blaming F.D.R. with for-knowledge of the attack on Pearl Harbor.

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Puddybud, identifying northwest liberals who elected an underexperienced man to the presidency weighed down by an oversized egospews:

@16- As always, ButtPutty just smells bad. By following ButtPutty’s own link you find out he’s talking about someone who was also a former Murdock employee and who may have been involved in the British phone hacking scandal.

Does Murdoch own The Daily Mirror moron? It looks like it happened there in 2002 idiot! And when did he work for Murdoch? Until 1996.

@22 What’s hilarious, or as Beck says, “Disturbing”, is that Beck runs his own political youth camps. I think I ran across that little tidbit on Crooks & Liars yesterday. I’ll dig around and see if I can find it.

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Puddybud, identifying northwest liberals who elected an underexperienced man to the presidency weighed down by an oversized egospews:

In 1915, a new klan (KKK) was started in Stone Mountain, Georgia, by William Simmons, a Methodist minister who had taken inspiration from the favorable portrayal of the klan in D.W. Griffith’s epic film, The Birth of a Nation. Emphasizing costumes, rallies and secret rituals, the klan grew rapidly in the South. The initial targets were blacks, whom many whites felt had been warped by wartime experiences. Black workers on the home front had earned respectable wages and expected the same after the war, and black veterans, who had witnessed a racially tolerant society in France, longed for a more accepting America. Perturbed whites believed the blacks had to be put back in their place.

The appeal of the klan spread to the North and West, and at its peak in the mid-1920s achieved a total membership of four million or more. Members served in state legislatures and Congress, and were elected to the governorship in several states. Indiana, Oklahoma, Texas and Oregon saw significant klan influence.

The central klan offices marketed regalia and literature to local units, but agendas were molded by community conditions and concerns. Blacks were the subject of klan activity in both the North and South, as were Jews, Catholics and immigrants. The klan also organized to oppose the teaching of evolution in the schools, dissemination of birth control devices and information, and efforts to repeal prohibition.

The KKK of the 1920’s sounds a lot like the Teahadist dominated Rethug party today. New target, same old hatred.

35. ButtPutty who just smells bad spews:
I love how you thought The Daily Mirror was owned by Rupert Murdoch.

And I quote the 3rd paragraph of the article you linked to:

In that appearance, below, Morgan said he’s not going to join the “witch hunt” against Rupert Murdoch, who made him the youngest editor of News of the World ever at the age of 28, and had always run both that paper and the Mirror within the bounds of the law.

Be one of the first Patriots to hold a Patriot Camp in your community–and become part of a great team of Americans that feel it is a priority to educate our children about our history and Founding. Includes:

Adweek’s D.M. Levine reports that, despite the heavy coverage CNN has given to the phone-hacking scandal, it has yet to cover the calls from some members of British parliament that Piers Morgan answer questions about phone-hacking at the Daily Mirror when he was editor there.

First paragraph. I realize reading is not fundamental to someone of your “mental stature” here on HA. The issue was did Morgan use phone hacking while he was editor of THE DAILY MIRROR! Of couse facts such as these are lost on ekim, joining the dumb duo of asrchloch and the cinder block rujax.

Now there is a dumb trio, ekim, arschloch, and the reservation dweller! Or is it stupid, very stupid and too stupid? You make the call!

Changing the subject rhp6033? NOPE you DOPE. I strangely remember before anyone listened to Glenn Beck were the comments on this blog equating that jackASS to tea party conservatives. Now where was rhp6033? Shall we revisit that thread and replay his comments?

So chronologically speaking rhp6033… You step up to the plate first and condemn those on visit this blog!

Redistribution of Wealth:
• Divide group in half. One half ‘earns’ Tootsie Rolls by doing 25 jumping jacks
• The other half is not required to do jumping jacks, but can relax or do what they want
• Teacher suggests that it’s “not fair” that one group has no Tootsie Rolls, then instructs
‘jumping jack’ group to give half of their Tootsie Rolls to the other group to even things
up – kids immediately understand that principles behind redistribution of wealth are NOT
fair
• Emphasize that America guarantees equal opportunity, not equal results
• Emphasize that it is our own individual responsibility to be charitable, not the
government’s job to redistribute our wealth, or take our money to give to others

Assfacia – I gave them that definition long ago. Write them and ask were you part of the definition. That’s my calling card to you! Oh wait you don’t take orders. That’s why you are where you are today and I’m somewhere having a blast each day.

You will notice I didnt comment on whether or not the “youth political camp” was conservative or progressive, because it doesnt matter. ANY “youth political camp” is fucking sick. your worlds revolves around party affiliation, mine revolves around using my brain – which is probably why I am so much better off and happier than you.

I bet you sent your kids to one didnt you, you sick little she-man freak.

Sigh! If only my Mom had sent me to a golf camp instead of the YMCA’s Camp Orkila. All I learned there was some pagan rituals involving campfires and scarves. Damn! I could have been learning Hogan’s five fundamentals of golf at seven years old! Now that would have changed my life for the better. If I had to have something instilled in me, why couldn’t it have been Hogan’s swing?

Sigh! I still carry a 2-iron, (my old 1970’s Ram tour blades are still kickin’) but that old 1-iron of mine hasn’t been in the bag for years. I think it was Trevino who once said, “Only God and Jack Nicklaus can hit a 1-iron”. Spot on, Lee.

Please be advised that you science-hating, flat earther freaky types shouldn’t follow the link. Your delusional world view might be shattered and I certainly wouldn’t want to be held responsible for something as awful as that.

64. ButtPutty who smells bad spews:
Can someone help ekim out? Apparently a well known lefty involved phone hacking at a leftist paper before NoTW doing it has no bearing to his leetle bitty mind.

I’m done trying to lead him through a story. He fits the toooooooo stupid moniker perfectly.

“well known lefty”
Brittish journalist with no connection to this country.

“phone hacking at a leftist paper before NoTW doing it”
Brittish paper with no connection to this country.

“NoTW”
Part of the Murdoch empire until it was shut down by Murdoch in an attempt to mitigate the growing scandal. NoTW is connected to News Corp, a US business which is subject to US laws for crimes committed in other countries.

And from the NYT…

In response to requests from members of Congress and to at least one news report, the Federal Bureau of Investigation in New York opened a preliminary inquiry on Thursday into allegations that News Corporation journalists sought to gain access to the phone records of victims of the Sept. 11 attacks, according to several people briefed on the matter.

So ButtPutty, why the hangup on an irrelevant story that has no connection to the US when there is a much much bigger one you seem to take great effort to ignore?

What’s missing from the daily rat-a-tat of charges on what Rupert Murdoch’s minions did and did not do is the larger picture of his business practices, into which the UK hacking fits rather neatly.
…
There’s an eerie similarity to the situation in Britain, where, once again, people working for Murdoch were taking illegal actions advantageous to his interests, and where his company disclaimed all knowledge.

@79 When Rupert Murdoch is finally frog-marched, the loon will probably call him a “well known lefty” as well. It’s just another symptom of his psychosis. Mind you, this is no Psych 101 thing. This is the stuff of a doctoral thesis. The short of it, nothing can intrude on the world he’s created in what is left of his feeble mind.

In most cases it isn’t right to make fun of the feeble minded. But this guy’s personality is so damned ugly, and the hatred in him runs so deep, what else is a person to do with him? Too bad he’s not a dog. Rabid as he is, we’d be quite justified in putting him down.

Puddy @ #44 is still trying to change the subject, by saying that before he will do something he knows he should do on his own volition, I must first bow to his conditions.

And quite frankly, I don’t even know what he is talking about, or what it is he’s asking me to do.

But I’ve tired of playing this game. Puddy’s had multiple opportunities to denounce Beck, and after almost two days of silence (at least on this issue), he first tries to deflect, and then he tries to change the subject, then he tries to condition his denial on me first jumping through whatever hoops he can think of to put in front of me.

Apparantly he thinks that what Beck said isn’t bad, despite the outrage his comments are creating from our fellow NATO allies of Norway and Great Britain, among others.

It’s pretty similar to current GOP tactics over the debt ceiling. Every President and Congress since the early 20th century has routinely approved debt limit increases to allow for payment of previously incurred obligations. Only the current GOP-controlled House hasn’t done what it knows it should do, and instead is trying to put the country’s economy at risk by playing a game of chicken and demanding a political ransom in exchange for doing what they are morally required to do in the first place.

He once made a statement on the radio criticizing his fellow Christians for not taking a stronger stand about the “gay” rights lobby promoting homosexuality in schools. According to the ministry announcement, he made a strong reference to Muslims taking the issue more seriously than Christians, referring to Islamic law, but did not condone their practices. It was Bradlee’s intent to focus attention on the issue, not to advocate harm to anyone, the statement said.

Despite the clear statement by Dean on his ministry’s website and elsewhere that he was not calling for the execution of homosexuals, according to the announcement, “MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow and others seized on and accused Dean on her show of supporting the killing of homosexuals, as is the practice in some radical Islamic countries. This seriously has harmed Dean and the ministry, who pride themselves on respect and love for all people.”

But what did Bradley say?

Last year, he even had kind words for the way Islam deals with a group he abhors even more—homosexuals. “Muslims are calling for the executions of homosexuals in America,” he said on his radio show, The Sons of Liberty . “It shows you they themselves are upholding the laws that are even in the Bible of the Judeo-Christian God, but they seem to be more moral than even the American Christians do, because these people are livid about enforcing their laws. They know homosexuality is an abomination ”http://www.thedailybeast.com/a.....proar.html

He said
Muslims who kill gays are more moral than Christians
Therefore,
Christians, be more moral, have to kill gays.

And that logic is NOT somehow supporting the killing of homosexuals?
How does that logic further “respect and love for all people”?

Puddy, please hurry up and move to your conservative utopia of Somalia or even Uganda. They will love you there.

“The CEO of Wal-Mart Stores Inc. and other major U.S. employers told Congress Wednesday they would be willing to give up tax breaks … in return for a steep drop in the … corporate tax rate. Companies … pay a much lower overall effective rate by exploiting tax breaks, … that in 2011 are costing the government about $102 billion in lost revenue.”

Roger Rabbit Commentary: Let’s start this discussion with this fact: Corporate taxes, as a percentage of GDP, have dropped dramatically since the end of World War 2, from 6% in 1948 to 1% in 2009 — a sixfold decrease. Nominal corporate tax rates are pretty meaningless; two-thirds of U.S. corporations pay no corporate income tax at all. General Electric, for example.

Conservatives used to argue that taxing corporate income, and then making individuals pay income taxes on dividend income, was “double taxation,” i.e. the same income is being taxed twice. This argument has always been dubious, because it rests on the assumption that a corporate entity and its shareholders are one and the same — an idea that has been blown completely out of the water, not only by Citizens United, but also by a whole string of court decisions that have effectively deprived shareholders of any say in corporate governance. Until the notion of corporate personhood is abolished, this argument just won’t hold water.

But now, conservatives want to go even farther by replacing “double taxation” with “no taxation” — i.e., neither corporations nor shareholders would pay any tax. They also want to abolish capital gains and inheritance taxes, so that only wages would be taxed, and hourly workers would have to bear the entire burden of supporting the federal government — a greedy, dishonest, mean, immoral, and selfish idea if there ever was one.

This is not to say that corporate tax reform is a bad idea. The current corporate tax code sucks, simply because so few companies pay taxes under it, and individual taxpayers have had to make up the revenue losses from the steadily shrinking corporate tax take.

I more or less agree with the CEOs on coupling a lower nominal rate with aboliton of the loopholes that allow many companies to pay little or no corporate tax. Corporate tax reform shouldn’t be revenue-neutral, though; with corporate tax revenues near an all-time low, it’s time to shift some of the overall tax burden back onto corporations.

Let’s take a look at what would happen if corporate taxes were eliminated. Conservatives argue this would stimulate investment and job creation. This theory is pretty easy to test, because many corporations pay no taxes now, so all you have to do is ask yourself whether employment went up or down during that steep drop in the tax curve from 2007 – 2009. Or, if you like, you can look at the employment statistics for 1980 – 1983, when corporate tax revenues were in another period of steep decline.

Eliminating corporate taxes tomorrow probably wouldn’t create a single job. Why? Because companies already have more cash than they know how to spend. Jobs aren’t being created, but that’s because of lack of demand, not lack of capital. The corporate world is awash with idle capital. Much of that money is simply sitting in banks, but some of it is being used for acquisitions, stock buybacks, or dividend increases — because CEOs and directors can’t figure out ways to reinvest it in their own businesses.

No, you can’t eliminate corporate taxes — that’s a cockamamie idea. But let’s streamline corporate taxes. By all means, give all companies a lower rate — but make all companies pay taxes, and do away with special tax breaks that create economic distortions.

I’m sure you all know how economic distortions work. If you give Company A a tax subsidies for making more Widgets, but make Company B pay taxes on its profits from making Gadgets, you’re gonna end up with too many Widgets and not enough Gadgets, as sure as it rains in Seattle in winter.

One more thing: Talk of giving corporations a “tax holiday” on foreign profits is nonsense. With the federal government drowning in red ink, the last thing we need to do is give rich corporations a massive new tax break. According to MSNBC, “A prior tax holiday was later proven to have created few, if any, new jobs.” So there’s absolutely no rationale for doing it.

Roger @ 91: More to the point, corporations don’t need a tax break in order to hire more workers because corporate spending on workers isn’t taxed. It’s an expense, and therefore deductable.

Any corporation which is concerned that this year’s obscene profit accumulation will subject it to taxation only has to hire more workers and the problem is solved. At the same time, they can put those workers to work doing any number of things they have been putting off for years (or decades). Heck, maybe they might actually start making a product or two – that would be a change!

By the way, it looks like the first lawsuit on health insurance reform will make it to the Supreme Court this year. The challengers to the law who lost in an appeals court decision earlier this summer have asked the court to consider the appeal in it’s October session.

Although there is no guarantee the court will accept the case (it could refuse to issue the writ of certiori and allow the Court of Appeals ruling to stand), there is every reason to believe it will accept the case, in light of the differences in district court rulings on the issue.

So by next June, right in the middle of the presidential campaign season, the court might well issue an opinion which will put health care reform right into the middle of the election battle.

If I had the money, I would love to make a series of TV commercials which would run every day, between now and the next election. The subject would be “Why no one should ever vote for a Republican”. Each day, we would provide a different reason, with an example from the recent news.

We could get several commercials just by showing the faces of the Republican nominees to the Supreme Court, and recount the decisions they made which showed them to be tools of the GOP and big corporate interests. Then remind voters that the person who wins the 2012 election will also probably select at least one or two new Supreme Court justices.

Rick Kaminski, 67, passed away Tuesday at Kirkland’s Evergreen Hospital due to complications from a brain aneurysm, a family spokesperson said.

Rick Kaminski is shown at the Kingdome in this 1997 file photo. (Photo: Seattlepi.com File / SL) Kaminski, also known simply as “Rick the Peanut Guy” was famous for his wide smile, sense of humor, and pinpoint accuracy in tossing bags of peanuts to hungry fans.

Sometimes the bags fly in overhand, sometimes underhand, and most times behind the back, but always on target, even from several rows away.

His partner Candi said Rick loved what he did.

“He loved going and being with the fans and interacting with his city,” Candi Mindt-Keener said. “It was his city.”

The next important date on Wisconsin’s political calendar is Aug. 9, when 6 GOP state senators face recall elections. Democrats need a net gain of 3 seats to take control of the state senate. Here’s what the latest polling shows:

The big surprise here is Sen. Darling, a big fish, is locked in such a tight race that GOP backers have been forced to pour at least $400,000 into her campaign.

In general, it looks like Democrats should easily win one of these races, have a good shot at three more, and all six are potentially winnable.

A week later, on Aug. 16, Democrats have to defend two senate seats against GOP-led recall efforts. One of those seats looks safe, the other one is contested but should be a Dem win. Four wins on Aug. 9 probably is enough to ensure the Dems will take control of the state senate.

Meanwhile, Gov. Walker could be in real trouble when he faces a likely recall drive next year. The latest Badger Poll by the University of Wisconsin shows 37% of Wisconsin residents approve of the job he’s doing while 59% disapprove.

i dont know why you all have such a hard time figuring out what we can do about the terrorism in norway and elsewhere. we can just take a lesson from history. how did we handle the terrorist acts by the founder of israel, david ben-gourian? lets just follow that game plan. problem solved.

i dont know why you all have such a hard time figuring out what we can do about the terrorism in norway and elsewhere. we can just take a lesson from history. how did we handle the terrorist acts by the founder of israel, david ben-gourian? lets just follow that game plan. problem solved.

07/27/2011 at 5:59 pm

I got an idea…

…let’s print all the nasty shit this piece of crap writes, pin it on him and ship him off to a kibbutz.

LANGLEY AIR FORCE BASE, Va. – The gold-tinted canopy closed and a wave of apprehension swept over Air Force pilot Wade Tolliver as he started the jet engines for his first flight in an F-22 Raptor.

“I was scared I’d scratch the jet,” Tolliver said.

The lieutenant colonel, a veteran of more than 2,000 hours in jets, had reason to worry. A mistake could be very costly. The plane he sat in cost $339 million.
…
So far, the Air Force has 62 Raptors. Current plans call for a total of 183. Cost: about $63.2 billion, counting research and development, aircraft and construction of new facilities.

http://daily.sightline.org/201.....king-lots/
There’s no better measure of our perverse relationship with cars than the fact that nearly every city and town in North America has laws requiring drinking establishments to provide parking, and yet roadside memorials to victims of drunk driving are mostly illegal.

#112 reminds me of something I saw on Westlake Avenue years ago. Traffic was fairly busy, but there was a big hole in it. In the center of the hole was a late-model Rolls Royce moving along at about 5 mph below the speed limit. All the traffic behind it was also doing 5 mph under the limit. Nobody was passing. Nobody wanted to get anywhere near that Rolls, a fender scratch to which could cost your insurance company $7,500. And that Rolls was CHEAP compared to an F-22.

Full Disclosure: The super-expensive F-22 is built by Lockheed Martin. Roger Rabbit owns Lockheed Martin stock. With a pricetag of $339 million per plane, imagine what the profit margin is! But if the plane ain’t cheap, the stock is, you can buy a share of LMT for less than it cost five years ago — and the dividend has doubled since then! I ain’t stupid, when a company gets away with ripping off taxpayers like this company does, I gotta own it!!!

The stock market was down only 194 Dow points today, but I’m not worried. There’s still time for a real plunge, and the uneducable GOPers are pushing ahead with a scheme Obama has promised to veto if it somehow passes the Senate, so it looks enough like a default is gonna happen that the markets are getting nervous. I expect we’ll see more triple-digit selloffs tomorrow and Friday, but the real fun will come next week! It doesn’t matter if the government actually defaults, this’ll work out fine if the GOPers simply scare the living shit out of investors. I’m not greedy, I’ll be happy with a 40% market drop. THANK YOU REPUBLICANS!!!

ylb, i could never figure out why you side with those who hate this country since you claim you’re not jewsish. but, after seeing you write code, now i know why. you’re a physical creatin and spend your days with your only friend, your keyboard.
too bad

@90. Roger Rabbit spews:
Conservatives used to argue that taxing corporate income, and then making individuals pay income taxes on dividend income, was “double taxation,” i.e. the same income is being taxed twice. This argument has always been dubious, because it rests on the assumption that a corporate entity and its shareholders are one and the same — an idea that has been blown completely out of the water, not only by Citizens United, but also by a whole string of court decisions that have effectively deprived shareholders of any say in corporate governance. Until the notion of corporate personhood is abolished, this argument just won’t hold water.
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income is taxed at the corporate level and again when dividends are paid, why is this not double taxation.

Let’s take a look at what would happen if corporate taxes were eliminated. Conservatives argue this would stimulate investment and job creation. This theory is pretty easy to test, because many corporations pay no taxes now, so all you have to do is ask yourself whether employment went up or down during that steep drop in the tax curve from 2007 – 2009. Or, if you like, you can look at the employment statistics for 1980 – 1983, when corporate tax revenues were in another period of steep decline.
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this is nonsense, in a recession corporate income and employment both go down because of a decline in economic activity

Eliminating corporate taxes tomorrow probably wouldn’t create a single job. Why? Because companies already have more cash than they know how to spend. Jobs aren’t being created, but that’s because of lack of demand, not lack of capital. The corporate world is awash with idle capital. Much of that money is simply sitting in banks, but some of it is being used for acquisitions, stock buybacks, or dividend increases — because CEOs and directors can’t figure out ways to reinvest it in their own businesses.
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this is also nonsense, your argument amounts to the assertion that business decisions are made without consideration of tax effects. Apparently you haven’t been able to find any support for that argument even in the leftwing Brit economics website that you claim is pro-business.

No, you can’t eliminate corporate taxes — that’s a cockamamie idea. But let’s streamline corporate taxes. By all means, give all companies a lower rate — but make all companies pay taxes, and do away with special tax breaks that create economic distortions.

I’m sure you all know how economic distortions work. If you give Company A a tax subsidies for making more Widgets, but make Company B pay taxes on its profits from making Gadgets, you’re gonna end up with too many Widgets and not enough Gadgets, as sure as it rains in Seattle in winter.
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right, good to see your sensible side appear

One more thing: Talk of giving corporations a “tax holiday” on foreign profits is nonsense. With the federal government drowning in red ink, the last thing we need to do is give rich corporations a massive new tax break. According to MSNBC, “A prior tax holiday was later proven to have created few, if any, new jobs.” So there’s absolutely no rationale for doing it.
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That doesn’t make sense to me either, why foreign and not domestic, what “talk of giving corporations a “tax holiday” on foreign profits” do you refer to?

“well known lefty”
Brittish journalist with no connection to this country.

“phone hacking at a leftist paper before NoTW doing it”
Brittish paper with no connection to this country.

He works for CNN taking over Larry King’s show. CNN has been actively covering the phone hacking scandal in England.

Man this ekim is an idiot. CNN! Why are you changing the subject ekim? I brought up the Piers Morgan phone scandal. You are changing the subject.

Piers is a lefty. CNN is leftist. Media Morons who has said it’s their job to get Murdoch skips this story. It seems there was a phone hacking act before NoTW. Yet you can’t seem to get it through your skull that if a lefty who now works for leftist CNN did it first it’s excusable. British Parliament wants Morgan to respond to his own actions of 2002.

You on the other hand misread the article so now you are in coverup mode with deflection and subject change bringing up some NY Times article I never referenced. You are very stupid.

@120 It’s now at $489,000, Roger. It picked up over $20K in just two hours.

If you haven’t yet visited the site, here’s Rachel’s own plea to those she knew to help the less fortunate rather than give her gifts for her ninth birthday.

On June 12th 2011, I’m turning 9. I found out that millions of people don’t live to see their 5th birthday. And why? Because they didn’t have access to clean, safe water so I’m celebrating my birthday like never before. I’m asking from everyone I know to donate to my campaign instead of gifts for my birthday. Every penny of the money raised will go directly to fund freshwater projects in developing nations. Even better, every dollar is “proved” when the projects are complete, and photos and GPS coordinates are posted using Google Earth. My goal is to raise $300 by my birthday, June 12, 2011. Please consider helping me.

Thank you so much!!!

I reckon little boys and girls all over the world offer similar small sacrifices like Rachel’s for some good cause such as this every day. Alas, not very many people hear their voices. Perhaps little Rachel had to die to be heard, but now that she is, she’s speaking to the world not only for them, but for the good in all of us.

If you can’t give, maybe you can just visit her donation site, read some of the comments of the donors from all over the world and see for yourself the human spirit at its finest.

Puddy @ #44 is still trying to change the subject, by saying that before he will do something he knows he should do on his own volition, I must first bow to his conditions.

And quite frankly, I don’t even know what he is talking about, or what it is he’s asking me to do.

You know exactly what you need to do rhp6033, or as I have called it you really are Cass Sunstein’s prime Homer Simpson malleable idiot.

You were on this blog cheer leading all the rabid moronic HA leftists claiming the Norwegian shooter was a Tea Party “teahadist”. This happened before Glenn Beck EVER said his comment.

Yet you want me to condemn Glenn Beck while excusing your friends here who equated that Norwegian moron with US Conservatives. Sorry dude it AIN’T gonna happen. What HA libtardos did by saying he was motivated by US Tea Party Conservatives is reprehensible. Yet that’s A-OK to you because you don’t like the Tea Party.

Well, until you can see the beam in your own eye and own up to your own actions, my “stick” remains so to speak.

http://www.latimes.com/news/na.....7765.story
Sen. John McCain on Wednesday took on conservatives reluctant to raise the national debt ceiling, calling them “tea party hobbits” and saying that if they reject the House Republican plan, they will help reelect President Obama.

At times reading from a Wall Street Journal editorial during his floor speech, the Arizona Republican also ridiculed Democrats, saying Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s plan is “full of smoke and mirrors.”

But he directed the most biting sarcasm at his own party.

The “hobbits” remark came from the Journal editorial, a reference to the little people of Middle-earth in J.R.R. Tolkien’s “The Lord of the Rings” trilogy.

McCain said conservatives’ insistence that an increase in the debt ceiling be accompanied by a balanced budget amendment was “worse than foolish” because it couldn’t get through the Senate.

@148 It’s really amazing how that took off. It’ll taper off someday, of course, but at the moment it still seems to be picking up speed and rolling along. So, yes, a million seems very much reachable. My dear Ms. Wingnut knew the family somehow. She said that little Rachel was everything she seems to be through her story and much more. She must have been really something.

@131 “That doesn’t make sense to me either, why foreign and not domestic, what “talk of giving corporations a “tax holiday” on foreign profits” do you refer to?”

Many U.S. corporations now derive a substantial part of their revenue and profits overseas. They’re reluctant to repatriate those foreign profits because doing so would subject them to U.S. taxes. The business lobby has been asking Congress for a “tax holiday” that would allow them to bring that money into the U.S. tax-free.

@150 It’s one of those cases that tugs at the heartstrings. Her tragic death has brought a previously obscure charity to the attention of a broad public via the news media. For the charity, this is the kind of public relations that can’t be purchased for any amount of money. The little girl got involved with it through her church.

The change of heart is a time-honored part of American political theater. As public sentiments (read: polling) change, politicians often find a way to alter their positions through seemingly heart-felt rhetoric. But there are rare occasions when the change of heart is real. And according to one of the Muslim community members Herman Cain visited with Wednesday, the Republicans newfound respect for Islam is completely genuine.

This phony debt crisis has now passed through the looking glass into the realm where madness reigns. What should have been an uneventful moment in which lawmakers make good on the nation’s contractual obligations has instead been seized upon by Republican hypocrites as a moment to settle ideological scores that have nothing to do with the debt.

Hypocrites, because their radical free market ideology, and the resulting total deregulation of the financial markets, is what caused the debt to spiral out of control this last decade. That and the wars George W. Bush launched but didn’t have the integrity to responsibly finance. The consequence was a banking bubble and crash leading to a 50 percent run-up of the debt that has nothing to do with the “entitlements” that those same Republicans have always wanted to destroy.

# 160: I think the GOP is split on Social Security. One-half wants to do away with it entirely, forcing people to work until they drop dead from old age, just on general principle. The other half don’t want to do away with it entirely – they are drooling at all the surpluses it accumulates (as savings toward the Baby-Bommer’s retirements), and trying to figure out how to get their hands on it through privitization.

Continuation of # 161: The key to deciphering the GOP strategy is to ignore what they are saying and concentrate on their actions. Their actions show that they are entirely within the control of the wealthiest financial interests in the world, and their goal is to take whatever the rest of us still have and convert it to our own use.

Let’s review recent history:

1. In year 2000, we have a balanced budget and are on track to pay off the ENTIRE FEDERAL DEBT before the end of the decade. Using the concept of OPM (using “other people’s money” to make investments), the Republican Party gives tax breaks to the wealthiest Americans, paid for entirely by federal debt owed by the American public at large. Since the rich are astute at avoiding taxes, and the poor don’t have any money with which to pay more in taxes, the bill is expected to be paid by future generations of the American middle class.

2. Now their eyes focused on a growing source of wealth and security of the American people: the equity in their homes. The 2005-2007 housing bubble, along with complete cooperation by the Republican Congress and the White House and the various regulatory agencies under it’s control, accomplished two things in one fell swoop: it encouraged homeowners to re-finance (and take more money out against the equity for other spending), and giving wall street and brokerage firms obscene profits on “finders fees”, real-estate backed mortgage securities, etc. When the house of cards collapsed, and American homeowners found themselves owing far more on their houses than they were worth, they approached Congress with an ultimatum: “Give us a trillion dollars in bail-out funds, with no strings attached, or you will face another Great Depression. Oh, and you have 48 hours to make up your mind”. Congress relented, the TARP bailout was made under the Bush administration, and Republicans immediately began working to try to pass the blame on the Democrats.

3. In 2005 Bush offered his Social Security privitazation plan, which met with a resounding thud among the American people. IN 2011 Paul proposed a similar plan: give all the social security trust funds to wall street and give vouchers to seniors for them to try to shop for insurance on the open market. Paul’s plan also met with a resounding thud, so the “crisis” created by the Republicans in refusing to pay America’s debts, already incurred, in just the sort of excuse they look for in trying to do something which would otherwise be political suicide.

Why would the Republicans want to kill Social Security? It’s not contributing to the deficit or the national debt by one thin dime, it’s currently running surpluses which are going toward paying off other debt incurred under the Bush administration. You would think, if debt and deficits were a bad thing, Republicans would LOVE Social Security. But the fact that they can’t wait to get their greedy little paws on all that money.

They want it to be dispersed in individual accounts which Wall Street firms will offer to manage (for an annual fee, plus transaction fees, plus statement fees, plus a percentage of the total funds managed fee, plus fees to access the money or call your broker, etc.). In return for such a windfall, helpful Republican Congressmen can expect to receive (in the future) very profitable positions on corporate boards, do-little executive positions with big stock options and bonuses, etc.

@162 The GOP flim-flammers’ scheme didn’t work on me. I saw through the whole debt-consumption binge years ago. Instead of buying into it, and buying stuff (at inflated prices with money borrowed at inflated interest rates), I paid off all my debts. When the debt tsunami hit, I was sitting pretty, and profited from the stock market crash brought on by the credit market crash. Now, I’m going to profit once again from their attempts to manipulate the financial markets.

Mr. Christie said the people Mr. Mohammed represented were inappropriately detained by the FBI after what he called a very difficult time for law enforcement.

“It’s just crazy, and I’m tired of dealing with the crazies,” he said. “It’s just unnecessary to be accusing this guy of things just because of his religious background.” Mr. Christie added: “I’m happy that he’s willing to serve after all this baloney.”

64. ButtPutty who still smells bad spews:
Can someone help ekim out? Apparently a well known lefty involved phone hacking at a leftist paper before NoTW doing it has no bearing to his leetle bitty mind.

Eh, ButtPutty, as usual your logic is skewed. We don’t know the date when NoTW began phone hacking or the alleged (as in not been proven yet) date The Daily Mirror began hacking phones. So you have proven nothing, except in your own mind.

“well known lefty”
Brittish journalist with no connection to this country.

“phone hacking at a leftist paper before NoTW doing it”
Brittish paper with no connection to this country.

He works for CNN taking over Larry King’s show. CNN has been actively covering the phone hacking scandal in England.

Man this ekim is an idiot. CNN! Why are you changing the subject ekim? I brought up the Piers Morgan phone scandal. You are changing the subject.

Ah, finally, some sort of connection to CNN. First time you mentioned he was a CNN employee. Specifically a talk show host. I’ve never watched his program and didn’t know he was there.

So far your so called “Piers Morgan phone scandal” is no more than an allegation, unlike the NoTW phone scandal, which has shut down NoTW and launched an FBI investigation into News Corp in this country as a followup to the British investigation.

By this time should we not know which corporations have been creating jobs? Should they not prove they have created jobs. Good jobs?

Take Walmart as an example. Basically the only jobs Walmart has created in their stores are low paying part time jobs. They drive other retailers out of business by using unfair business practices, businesses that use to pay decent wages. They have forced their suppliers to relocate their manufacturing outside the country costing our country even more good paying jobs.

Rep. Joe Walsh (R-Ill.), who has made the media rounds bashing President Obama on the national debt, is being sued for $117,437 in back child support he allegedly owes his ex-wife and their three children, the Chicago Sun-Times reported, according to divorce documents filed in court in December.

Walsh’s ex-wife Laura Walsh asked a judge to suspend Walsh’s driver’s license until he paid his child support, the newspaper reports. In response, Walsh asks his ex-wife’s lawyer: “Have you no decency?”

Did I get the numbers wrong or are the Republicans, you know the people that want to cut spending and are all freaked out about the debit, offering fewer spending cuts and less debit reduction than the Democrats?

Are you referring to the “Rethug producers” over on the East side of the state? If so, has anybody told you that they are a bunch of Welfare Queens? The Yakima County “Rethug producers” alone are sucking over $400,000,000 a year from the state’s teat.

The same farmers who had the very large CLINT! billboards on their property during the last election. The same farmers who cheat their illegal employees out of decent wages. The same farmers who suck up the farm subsidies from the government and bitch about their taxes.

It’s now almost 10 pm in D.C. and still no vote on the GOP’s hellbound-for-veto plan to balance the budget excesses of the spendthrift Bush years on the backs of senior citizens … looks like Boner doesn’t have the votes from his own caucus to pass this turkey … so the Senate won’t have to shoot it down after all.

@175 So now our newest troll is blaming the debt crisis on immigrants? That figures! Hey, if you’re mad about the national debt, throw all the Republicans out of the country and let the Mexicans stay! Here’s where the debt actually came from:

Koch whore @179 spews
I wouldnt know…never met either of the Koch brothers..havent cashed a check from them either.

The Koch brothers wouldn’t deal with trash like you directly. You may be a useful tool, but not worth socializing with. Nor would they write a check to you either. On the other hand, the Kochs do write checks to Americans For Prosperity and other such cut out organizations who don’t have any such qualms.

Many years ago we had a few illegals around. Not many, though. You see, if an employer got caught hiring illegals, well he went to jail and had to pay fines. Not many employers wanted to risk that.

Then we got a new President by the name of Reagan. He changed the law. Then it was OK for employers to hire illegals. But not for the illegals to be hired. And all of a sudden, there was an ever expanding number of illegals flooding into this country willing to work for shit wages.

Of course now, if you changed the law back to pre-Reagan, you’d get a lot of screaming from said employers because they can’t hire any Americans for shit wages.

http://www.nytimes.com/interac.....ation.html
AGUA NEGRA, Mexico — The extraordinary Mexican migration that delivered millions of illegal immigrants to the United States over the past 30 years has sputtered to a trickle, and research points to a surprising cause: unheralded changes in Mexico that have made staying home more attractive.

A growing body of evidence suggests that a mix of developments — expanding economic and educational opportunities, rising border crime and shrinking families — are suppressing illegal traffic as much as economic slowdowns or immigrant crackdowns in the United States.

Here in the red-earth highlands of Jalisco, one of Mexico’s top three states for emigration over the past century, a new dynamic has emerged. For a typical rural family like the Orozcos, heading to El Norte without papers is no longer an inevitable rite of passage. Instead, their homes are filling up with returning relatives; older brothers who once crossed illegally are awaiting visas; and the youngest Orozcos are staying put.

“I’m not going to go to the States because I’m more concerned with my studies,” said Angel Orozco, 18. Indeed, at the new technological institute where he is earning a degree in industrial engineering, all the students in a recent class said they were better educated than their parents — and that they planned to stay in Mexico rather than go to the United States.

The vast majority of illegal immigrants in the U.S. come from Mexico. That shouldn’t surprise anyone. A big surprise is that Mexican migration appears to have fallen to a trickle because of several factors, not the least of which is an improving job market south of the border.

Exhaustive academic research suggests multiple, overlapping circumstances are affecting the migration decline, creating a perfect storm of good news for both sides of the border.

Yes, a growing anti-illegal immigrant sentiment across the U.S. is one ingredient, but this is no cause for hardliners to claim victory. Bigger, yet subtler, economic and social forces are at play, some of them years in the making.

A major factor is the drooping U.S. economy, which continues to take a heavy toll on immigrants as U.S. employers come under increasing federal pressure to stop hiring anyone who can’t prove legal work status. If migrants can’t find jobs, the higher expense of life in America cancels out any meager economic benefit from being here.

All of the sudden, life in Mexico is looking a lot better.

At the same time, Mexico’s economy is taking off, having reached a 5.5 percent growth rate last year according to The New York Times. Job growth is particularly strong in the manufacturing and export sector along the U.S. border. Even in violence-plagued Ciudad Juarez, job growth rivals that of the healthiest U.S. cities. An 8.2 percent increase in Mexican manufacturing jobs appears to be providing much of the incentive for workers to stay in their own country, rather than migrate north.

Earlier this year the MN House Republicans invited ButtPutty’s hero, Bradlee Dean, to give the morning prayer, and Bradlee did so. After the prayer, Republican House leader Zellers issued a written statement:

“I respectfully apologize to all members in the Minnesota House of Representatives and all citizens of this state for today’s morning prayer. As Speaker of the House, I take responsibility for this mistake. I am offended at the presence of Bradlee Dean on the floor of the Minnesota House of Representatives. I denounce him, his actions and his words. He does not represent my values or the values of this state.”

Later Zellers also said:

“I can only ask you for your forgiveness … That type of person will never, ever be allowed on the House floor again.”

Muslims are calling for the executions of homosexuals in America. This just shows you they themselves are upholding the laws that are even in the Bible of the Judeo-Christian God, but they seem to be more moral than even the American Christians do, because these people are livid about enforcing their laws

At the same time, Mexico’s economy is taking off, having reached a 5.5 percent growth rate last year according to The New York Times. Job growth is particularly strong in the manufacturing and export sector along the U.S. border. Even in violence-plagued Ciudad Juarez, job growth rivals that of the healthiest U.S. cities. An 8.2 percent increase in Mexican manufacturing jobs appears to be providing much of the incentive for workers to stay in their own country, rather than migrate north.
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Good point, yet another Obama promise kept. He solved the illegal immigration problem by ruining our economy to the point that the Mexican economy does far better than the American.

@182. Roger Rabbit spews:

@175 So now our newest troll is blaming the debt crisis on immigrants? That figures! Hey, if you’re mad about the national debt, throw all the Republicans out of the country and let the Mexicans stay! Here’s where the debt actually came from:

Yep, that’s right, Wingnut Whack-O-Nomics caused nearly all of it!
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Another good point, what about that Obama promise to cut the debt in half? Put your glasses on and look for the largest spike in debt since WWII; that would be right after Obama and the Dims came to power.

@181. Roger Rabbit spews:
… looks like Boner doesn’t have the votes from his own caucus to pass this turkey … so the Senate won’t have to shoot it down after all.
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You fell for that bullshit?

@174. Ekim pointing out that ButtPutty just smells bad spews:
The Yakima County “Rethug producers” alone are sucking over $400,000,000 a year from the state’s teat.
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Yet another good job at stepping on your own point; Yakima County probably has the highest per capita illegal alien rate in the state.

@163. Roger Rabbit spews:
Republicans are now opting for Solyent Green.
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You date yourself with that one.

@154. Roger Rabbit spews:
Many U.S. corporations now derive a substantial part of their revenue and profits overseas. They’re reluctant to repatriate those foreign profits because doing so would subject them to U.S. taxes. The business lobby has been asking Congress for a “tax holiday” that would allow them to bring that money into the U.S. tax-free.
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Thanks, I do remember hearing of that now and it makes more sense.

@174. Ekim pointing out that ButtPutty just smells bad spews:
The Yakima County “Rethug producers” alone are sucking over $400,000,000 a year from the state’s teat.
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Yet another good job at stepping on your own point; Yakima County probably has the highest per capita illegal alien rate in the state.

Not so, oh shit for brains. The illegals would not be there if your “Rethug producers” did not hire them.

And all the Rethug counties in the state, except for one, suck at the state’s teat, and the one that doesn’t, only contributes a small cash flow to the state. They are a nothing but a bunch of fucking Welfare Queens who bitch about their taxes being too high.

@201
The really bad part about the welfare queens in Yakima county is that all that state and federal money distorts the markets. It makes it harder for farmers, who don’t have all those connections and get all those subsides* to farm, it makes it harder to keep land closer to population centers in production and leads to the building of ticky-tacky subdivisions on farm land and so on.

The House vote is still on hold. The Boner has got to be feeling very limp right now. His hobbits are in revolt and the DJ is going down. And the best the Rethugs can spin it is that this is the fault of the Senate Dems. If it wasn’t so sad it would be funny.

Oh, what is a Boner to do?

Lawrence O’Donnell spelled out one answer. The Boner could work a deal with the House Dems. You know, a compromise bill a majority from both sides could agree on. Then all the Boner would need is maybe 50 of his saner (non hobbit) Rethugs to vote for it and the Dems could round up the rest of the needed votes.

@201. Ekim pointing out that ButtPutty just smells bad spews:
Not so, oh shit for brains. The illegals would not be there if your “Rethug producers” did not hire them.
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The farmers aren’t paying for the illegals’ welfare, food stamps and health care, the taxpayers do that. Try to focus on what you were talking about, nitwit;
@174. Ekim pointing out that ButtPutty just smells bad spews:
The Yakima County “Rethug producers” alone are sucking over $400,000,000 a year from the state’s teat.

However it is good to see you recognize that the laws against hiring illegals are not being enforced by Obama, and I’m sure you support tougher enforcement.

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