Nazis debate: How Nazi should Nazis be when they’re out Nazi-ing around in public?

So roughly 150 neo-Nazis, alongside some alt-rightists who are basically Nazis but kind of like to pretend that they aren’t, went a-marching in Pikeville, Kentucky this past weekend, dressed to the 88s in an assortment of Nazi-esque uniforms, carrying flags festooned with swastikas and an assortment of other Nazi-ish symbols, chanting chants containing the word “heil” and occasionally breaking out in Nazi — sorry, “Roman” — salutes. A few even brought assault rifles along with them, in case they needed to invade Poland or something.

Now some Nazis are wondering if the Nazi marchers were maybe a bit too obviously Nazi-ish during their Nazi march.

On the neo-Nazi internet tabloid The Daily Stormer, Eric Striker declares the rally “a sleeper hit,” predicting that it will lead to even bigger rallies in the future as “millions of hidden Alt-Right and Nationalsocialists in America” overcome their fears and embrace an explicitly racist agenda.

But Striker is worried that his Nazi buddies were perhaps a bit too blatant about the whole Nazi thing.

I actually support unironic use of the Roman salute, but only in its historic context as a gesture of honor to fellow comrades and leaders. When the goal is to lure Antifa to take off their “peaceful” masks, triggering them by Roman saluting them is also appropriate.

But at this demonstration, where nationalists outnumbered the increasingly irrelevant left, the two NSM affiliated individuals who were doing Roman salutes at a local media outlet zooming in on them committed an extreme propaganda error. It’s not so much the Roman salute itself, but that the image projected was that the rally was about shock value rather than real issues impacting local whites.

So maybe cool it with all the salutes, fellas? They’ll be time for those later!

Striker also has issues with some of the marchers’ fashion choices.

The citizens of Pikeville agree with 99% of what the Nationalists there believe, but superficial blunders like this, and the poor attire choice of wearing Schutzstaffel [SS] collars, distract from the frame we’re trying to build, and cause people to tune-out.

Also, maybe try to hide all your Nazi tchotchkes when the lugenpresse is nearby? In one Youtube clip, Striker notes,

there’s Third Reich memorabilia laying around, which should’ve at least been put away when the press was arriving. Again, optics aren’t everything, but this kind of stuff just triggers inculcated defenses of common folk who otherwise agree with us from joining. After winning them over, you can teach them the truth about the Third Reich, but getting them to listen first is the most important part. …

[F]ew will disagree that if the [National Socialist Movement] toned some of the outward eccentricities, they would have far greater appeal along with way fewer agent provocateurs/federal informants/misfits harassing them.

I guess if they didn’t leave so many swastika souvenirs lying around no one would have ever figured out that a group called the National Socialist Movement was really a bunch of Nazis.

Here are some of the Pikeville marchers in all-out Nazi mode:

Nazis Nazi-ing

And here are some of the same people in STEALTH MODE:

The subtle approach

Clearly, without all the “seig heils” no one could have possibly figured out they were Nazis.

In the end, Striker urges his fellow Nazis to emulate European fascist groups like Greece’s Golden Dawn and the Nordic Resistance Movement.

There is no reason their methods can’t be applied to America, with a few adaptations. Being a National Socialist isn’t about flying a Swastika or having an edgy tattoo, it’s about what you project from the inside: Honor, strength, courage, pride, love, loyalty and most importantly: confidence in the final victory.

Daily Stormer publisher Andrew Anglin follows up Striker’s post with a few of his own thoughts on Nazi “optics.” Anglin, who’s been known to throw “Roman salutes” around in public himself, isn’t worried that Nazi outfits and the like are too “edgy” to appeal to Americans, but that they really aren’t hip or sexy enough to get the cool millennial kids on board.

“The Golden Dawn and Nordfront,” Anglin writes, have created an

aesthetic which is both serious and sexy, and that is the model we need to be following. Nazi uniforms, swastika flags and people in bad physical shape are a part of an aesthetic which has been tried for a very long time in this country, with very little in terms of results.

I wonder how Carl “I can’t read for shit” Benjamin would excuse this rally, given his tendency to flippantly disbelieve that someone is a Neo-Nazi or fascist because they don’t have “tell-tale signs.”

It really is pathetic that he keeps trying to pass himself off as progressive and yet everything he spouts is borderline authoritarianism. I mean, for fuck’s sake, he started a petition demanding universities stop teaching social justice course ’cause he just happened to not like them.

…Third Reich memorabilia laying around, which should’ve at least been put away when the press was arriving. Again, optics aren’t everything, but this kind of stuff just triggers inculcated defenses of common folk who otherwise agree with us from joining.

Dude, you’d have a much better chance of success if you just learned to use English grammar, syntax, spelling and punctuation correctly. Your sentences are such a mess, you don’t need Third Reich kitsch lying around to scare people off.

“Surely you can’t be talking about the Superior Intelligent White Male who single-handedly crafted civilization with his bare white hands and a naked blonde white woman clutching at his loins while birthing two pure, genetically white children,” Fransceca said, her voice soaked in irony. “I thought that they were supposed to be utterly perfect in every single action they undertake! What is this awful heresy you speak?”

“Surely you can’t be talking about the Superior Intelligent White Male who single-handedly crafted civilization with his bare white hands and a naked blonde white woman clutching at his loins while birthing two pure, genetically white children,” Fransceca said, her voice soaked in irony. “I thought that they were supposed to be utterly perfect in every single action they undertake! What is this awful heresy you speak?”

O for the confidence of these worse-than-mediocre white dudes, eh? Well met!

Even at their most subtle, Nazis are always laughably obvious with their Sooper secrit codes and whatnot. But even if they somehow managed to actually camouflage themselves, the minute I see a political movement that’s uniformly white I’m already running for the hills.

Being the cradle of human fucking beings isn’t enough for Pony Nazis, even.

No, you have to have top hats.

The fuckface I’m talking about on this fucking pony fanfic site posted a fucking picture of a fucking top-hat wearing white man in a jungle with naked black tribespeople around him and stated that this is why Africans are inferior.

That’s just lazy. I mean, at the very least they could have drawn a picture of a white pony wearing a pith helmet. That at least would have taken some creative effort. Instead, they post a picture of a human on a pony board. They probably didn’t take the picture themselves either. Such superior. So creative. Wow.

As Bina says, why are the champions of the white race always the worst examples of it?

Appallingly, I have seen pictures of white ponies enslaving Zebras (the Equestrian equivalent of black people until very recently).

For a very long time, partly because the idiots who made the show had a black woman voice the single Zebra character, the fandom decided that normal ponies were white and zebras were black, when drawing them as humans.

There were exceptions, but they mostly served to prove the rule. Drawing Celestia, the mane 6, and the rest of the normal ponies as black people was ‘shocking’ or ‘subversive’ and there are hardly any examples.

On this site I speak of, there was a black girl who made the mistake of writing a fanfic about a black girl who makes friends with the ponies, and people just fucking downvoted that shit to hell, until she deleted it. I was extremely upset when that happened and I never forgot it.

Returning to my original point…it seems DHX and Hasbro realized they messed up and brought in a black woman to voice a non-Zebra pony in the latest movie.

Ironically, her character is a sea-pony. A seahorse, basically. And this is amusing because white people like to say black people can’t swim.

I swim very well and have recently considered taking up a job as a swimming instructor. I’d like to be posted somewhere there’s rich white people with privileged white children, just to see the looks on their faces when they realize that n-words can’t just swim, but they can teach others to swim.

I once tried to see if I had any interesting ancestry, but going back a couple of hundred years just threw up English all the way, so I figured any further back didn’t really matter and stopped looking. Can’t say it’s anything I take pride in, it just is what it is.

@Francesca Torpedo: I love your modern interpretation of Norse legends. One of my middle name’s is Iduna (she who held the apples of youth) and a little sister called Freya(she has a chariot pulled by cats!), so I’ve always had an interest in them as passed down by my mum.

The fuckface I’m talking about on this fucking pony fanfic site posted a fucking picture of a fucking top-hat wearing white man in a jungle with naked black tribespeople around him and stated that this is why Africans are inferior.

In a place that hot and humid (like a jungle), it’s smart to not wear a lot of clothes. The British inflicted a lot of unnecessary suffering on themselves and the people they colonized by insisting that everyone dress like they were in England, regardless of the climate.

Of course, the British also refused to adopt the custom of resting in the middle of the day in hot climates. “Mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the midday sun.” I don’t see infliciting heat stroke and skin cancer upon oneself as a sign of superiority.

Even at their most subtle, Nazis are always laughably obvious with their Sooper secrit codes and whatnot. But even if they somehow managed to actually camouflage themselves, the minute I see a political movement that’s uniformly white I’m already running for the hills.

I’m with you! And I’m a middle-aged, white-as-it-gets American housewife. Seeing a group of old, white politicians on the tee vee really gets my hackles up nowadays because they’re generally up to no good.

Francesca Torpedo said

The fuckface I’m talking about on this fucking pony fanfic site posted a fucking picture of a fucking top-hat wearing white man in a jungle with naked black tribespeople around him and stated that this is why Africans are inferior.

A friend of mine worked for the UN. One time they had to emergency evac from somewhere dodgy. They had to abandon everything. On her return (and that’s another story, involving my truck nearly floating out to sea, but I digress) I helped her fill out the compensation forms.

“Who takes three cocktail dresses to a warzone? Who even takes one cocktail dress to a warzone?”

She looked at me with an air of genuine bewilderment.

“I suppose you’d wear the same thing to an evening function as a luncheon one?”

Of course, the British also refused to adopt the custom of resting in the middle of the day in hot climates.

The British Army did adopt the shemagh though (those Arab headscarf things). They’re amazing (I have several), and the only bit of non uniform kit you’re allowed to wear on duty.

Also, there’s a few white people in my family tree – I imagine they owned my African ancestors at one point and had sex with them – and, consequently, an ancestry-tracing website revealed that I am, on my mother’s side, related to Anglo-Norman Nobility. I have my own coat of arms and everything.

12-year-old me who read TONS of Arthurian legends and sword-and-sorcery and medieval fantasy (this was before the recent epiphany I had regarding all the racists in this fandom/genre) would have been so happy to find out about this.

I found out about this very recently after my enjoyment of such things was spoiled, however, so I am not really stoked about it.

Doesn’t change the fact that it makes even less sense than other racist memes I’ve been exposed to.

This one is rooted in the racist nature of American public spaces. Whole books could be written on the topic (and have been), but the short of it is that public swimming pools have historically not been built in black neighbourhoods, and the ‘public’ pools that were built elsewhere were segregated or simply closed to black people.

Hey, if it works for ya! Only problem is I’m 17 and low on liquid funds, and while my parents might fund me getting a trainer, they…Well, they’re conservative with all that entails. Also, you don’t seem to live in Kentucky, or at least in any part of it I’ve lingered in.

@Dalillama

Yeah, that was one of two things I came up with (worded as “Maybe black people just didn’t have access to public pools because racist city planning and shit?”) as theories as to why that could be. The other thing thought it might have had to do with claiming that natural hair is some kind of massive impediment.

Unfortunately, where I am right now isn’t where I’ll be for much longer.

I’ll tell you this much: I’m in a program that lets me take all uni classes on a uni campus, while staying on said uni campus, while still technically in high school and getting credit for that.

The semester’s about to let out. (Next week is finals week.)

My mom lives about two hours away; my dad, two hours and change. I’ll be switching between them weekly over the summer.

Then one more year of this program (assuming disaster doesn’t strike), and…I’m going to have to start climbing. Dunno where that’ll be yet, but it’ll probably be in the Indiana-Ohio-Kentucky tri-state.

an ancestry-tracing website revealed that I am, on my mother’s side, related to Anglo-Norman Nobility. I have my own coat of arms and everything.

I hear that US white families who had an odd dark-skinned ancestor a few generations ago (usually a woman, either black or native) often retcon her to be an “Indian princess” or specifically “Cherokee princess”.

Then I had this random mental image of a Cherokee (or other native or black) person claiming, “My great-grandmother was an Anglo-Saxon princess”.

Yeah, I know what you’re thinking, it doesn’t make any sense. Obviously to 99% of us, My little Pony isn’t pro white supremacy. I guess that these racist idiots are just desperate to find something on mainstream television that endorses with their backwards worldview.

You can always trust Nazis to overestimate their support among other white people.

And especially among Germans. THIS German right here has no fucking use for them, since the original gangsters dragged both sides of my family tree into a war they wanted no part of, made refugees of my mom’s side (they were ethnic Germans in Serbia, at least until the Russians invaded in ’44), and proved themselves only too happy to threaten my grandpa on my dad’s side when he complained that you couldn’t get decent shoes in Germany ever since “that shitty Austrian” had backroom-bullied his way into office. Any party that would do such things, never mind killing 6 million Jews outright, has no fucking right to call itself a champion of anything or anybody. Nazis are THUGS. Period. End of story.

I think the whole ‘Black people can’t swim’ nonsense dates back even farther than public pools, all the way back to slavery. Slave owners would punish Black people for swimming since it could be used to escape. I’ll have to look it up to be sure, though.
Some racist white hotel manager poured acid into a pool because a Black woman was swimming in it.

I was in Pikeville that day, and feel the need to say that the Nazis most definitely did not outnumber us and it’s hilarious to see them blatantly make shit up. If anything the numbers were pretty even.

I can’t find that page anymore, but if I remember correctly I read an article of the Italian translation of the focus magazine website long ago (2009, maybe) in which they explained that the reason black people can’t swim (or “why there isn’t any black Olympic champion in swimming”, the real title of the article), which stated that the reason you don’t see very often black winners or competitors in swimming championships has to do with the fact that black people had denser bones compared to other races, meaning their body were less adept than other races for activities such as swimming, even tough they did state that there were exceptions like Ethiopians and Somalians who were capable enough to compete if trained properly.

Also, can you tell me in which anime does it come from the character that you use as your avatar?

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