fusillade762:So they're pledging to clean up their own mess? How responsible of them.

/not usually a UN hater, but in this case it appears they done farked up

Lesson for next time: never try to help people after natural disasters; you may spread diseases from exotic places. Best to sit on the couch and send good thoughts their way. Good vibes can't spread disease.

That Guy Jeff:fusillade762: So they're pledging to clean up their own mess? How responsible of them.

/not usually a UN hater, but in this case it appears they done farked up

Lesson for next time: never try to help people after natural disasters; you may spread diseases from exotic places. Best to sit on the couch and send good thoughts their way. Good vibes can't spread disease.

Or adopt modern standards of hygeine and medicine, instead of insisting that a chant from a local witch doctor is more effective because nobody has the right to judge your culture.

/nah, it's the UN//Syria is in charge of WMD inspections, Zimbabwe is in charge of economics, and Sudan is in charge of human rights///having Nepal in charge of medical operations is par for the course

That Guy Jeff:fusillade762: So they're pledging to clean up their own mess? How responsible of them.

/not usually a UN hater, but in this case it appears they done farked up

Lesson for next time: never try to help people after natural disasters; you may spread diseases from exotic places. Best to sit on the couch and send good thoughts their way. Good vibes can't spread disease.

Maybe you're being sarcastic, but I think the lesson is "common sense is not optional".

They farked up, and as far as I know, they still refuse to follow their own recommendations on this, which include medical screening, prophylactic medication for peacekeepers traveling from areas with cholera to areas without cholera, and properly treating their own wastewater. Those seem like common sense things you'd be eager to do if you care about not murdering the people whose water supply you're going to dump all your feces into. It's not like cholera is a mysterious new disease where nobody knew this could happen. Civilizations have been quarantining travelers to protect their people from it for almost 200 years.

Tatterdemalian:That Guy Jeff: fusillade762: So they're pledging to clean up their own mess? How responsible of them.

/not usually a UN hater, but in this case it appears they done farked up

Lesson for next time: never try to help people after natural disasters; you may spread diseases from exotic places. Best to sit on the couch and send good thoughts their way. Good vibes can't spread disease.

Or adopt modern standards of hygeine and medicine, instead of insisting that a chant from a local witch doctor is more effective because nobody has the right to judge your culture.

/nah, it's the UN//Syria is in charge of WMD inspections, Zimbabwe is in charge of economics, and Sudan is in charge of human rights///having Nepal in charge of medical operations is par for the course

Is it your contention that we should not help them because they were born into a society of abject poverty and ignorance?

That Guy Jeff:fusillade762: So they're pledging to clean up their own mess? How responsible of them.

/not usually a UN hater, but in this case it appears they done farked up

Lesson for next time: never try to help people after natural disasters; you may spread diseases from exotic places. Best to sit on the couch and send good thoughts their way. Good vibes can't spread disease.

There is no good reason to be there in person spreading disease when you can be helping just as much by tweeting hashtags from home.

freewill:That Guy Jeff: fusillade762: So they're pledging to clean up their own mess? How responsible of them.

/not usually a UN hater, but in this case it appears they done farked up

Lesson for next time: never try to help people after natural disasters; you may spread diseases from exotic places. Best to sit on the couch and send good thoughts their way. Good vibes can't spread disease.

Maybe you're being sarcastic, but I think the lesson is "common sense is not optional".

They farked up, and as far as I know, they still refuse to follow their own recommendations on this, which include medical screening, prophylactic medication for peacekeepers traveling from areas with cholera to areas without cholera, and properly treating their own wastewater. Those seem like common sense things you'd be eager to do if you care about not murdering the people whose water supply you're going to dump all your feces into. It's not like cholera is a mysterious new disease where nobody knew this could happen. Civilizations have been quarantining travelers to protect their people from it for almost 200 years.

This.

It isn't farking magic.

It spread there because some farking idiots at the UN thought getting people there to 'help' no matter who or how then getting them help they could use.

freewill:That Guy Jeff: fusillade762: So they're pledging to clean up their own mess? How responsible of them.

/not usually a UN hater, but in this case it appears they done farked up

Lesson for next time: never try to help people after natural disasters; you may spread diseases from exotic places. Best to sit on the couch and send good thoughts their way. Good vibes can't spread disease.

Maybe you're being sarcastic, but I think the lesson is "common sense is not optional".

They farked up, and as far as I know, they still refuse to follow their own recommendations on this, which include medical screening, prophylactic medication for peacekeepers traveling from areas with cholera to areas without cholera, and properly treating their own wastewater. Those seem like common sense things you'd be eager to do if you care about not murdering the people whose water supply you're going to dump all your feces into. It's not like cholera is a mysterious new disease where nobody knew this could happen. Civilizations have been quarantining travelers to protect their people from it for almost 200 years.

They would have been better off if rather than UN peacekeepers they had asked for a flat out US invasion. We keep our camps clean, and, while we hate spending money on infrastructure here, we love giving money to countries we're stationing troops in.

Dedmon:Tatterdemalian: That Guy Jeff: fusillade762: So they're pledging to clean up their own mess? How responsible of them.

/not usually a UN hater, but in this case it appears they done farked up

Lesson for next time: never try to help people after natural disasters; you may spread diseases from exotic places. Best to sit on the couch and send good thoughts their way. Good vibes can't spread disease.

Or adopt modern standards of hygeine and medicine, instead of insisting that a chant from a local witch doctor is more effective because nobody has the right to judge your culture.

/nah, it's the UN//Syria is in charge of WMD inspections, Zimbabwe is in charge of economics, and Sudan is in charge of human rights///having Nepal in charge of medical operations is par for the courseIs it your contention that we should not help them because they were born into a society of abject poverty and ignorance?

No, it's because, provided the knowledge and training to improve their society, the Nepalese have insistently chosen instead to remain a society of abject poverty, ignorance, and medicines made of endangered rhino horns and snow tiger penises.

I hope America won't be wasting even one cent or minute on this. The whole little tremor thing has been milked enough already. We are in deep enough with our domestic problems and failures which keep getting ignored.

Tatterdemalian:Dedmon: Tatterdemalian: That Guy Jeff: fusillade762: So they're pledging to clean up their own mess? How responsible of them.

/not usually a UN hater, but in this case it appears they done farked up

Lesson for next time: never try to help people after natural disasters; you may spread diseases from exotic places. Best to sit on the couch and send good thoughts their way. Good vibes can't spread disease.

Or adopt modern standards of hygeine and medicine, instead of insisting that a chant from a local witch doctor is more effective because nobody has the right to judge your culture.

/nah, it's the UN//Syria is in charge of WMD inspections, Zimbabwe is in charge of economics, and Sudan is in charge of human rights///having Nepal in charge of medical operations is par for the courseIs it your contention that we should not help them because they were born into a society of abject poverty and ignorance?

No, it's because, provided the knowledge and training to improve their society, the Nepalese have insistently chosen instead to remain a society of abject poverty, ignorance, and medicines made of endangered rhino horns and snow tiger penises.

/outspending China on rhino horns, 2.4 to 1 per capita

According to Wikipedia (and the CIA) about 25% of Nepal's population lives below the poverty line. In Haiti it's 80%. The two are not comparable in that respect.

Tatterdemalian:Dedmon: Tatterdemalian: That Guy Jeff: fusillade762: So they're pledging to clean up their own mess? How responsible of them.

/not usually a UN hater, but in this case it appears they done farked up

Lesson for next time: never try to help people after natural disasters; you may spread diseases from exotic places. Best to sit on the couch and send good thoughts their way. Good vibes can't spread disease.

Or adopt modern standards of hygeine and medicine, instead of insisting that a chant from a local witch doctor is more effective because nobody has the right to judge your culture.

/nah, it's the UN//Syria is in charge of WMD inspections, Zimbabwe is in charge of economics, and Sudan is in charge of human rights///having Nepal in charge of medical operations is par for the courseIs it your contention that we should not help them because they were born into a society of abject poverty and ignorance?

No, it's because, provided the knowledge and training to improve their society, the Nepalese have insistently chosen instead to remain a society of abject poverty, ignorance, and medicines made of endangered rhino horns and snow tiger penises.

/outspending China on rhino horns, 2.4 to 1 per capita

I was talking about Haiti... Do they deserve to die of cholera because they were born into abject ignorance and poverty?

Good. I was in Borel, Haiti and the surrounding areas for a week this past November shooting photos and video for a couple of non profit relief organizations to use for fundraising purposes. The one I most enjoyed was a water project. Run by a couple Americans(mostly doing logistics and fundraising) but most of the labor was done by locals who were learning new skills. Bio sand water filters that I drank from daily (in the same river valley the cholera outbreak started in). They cost $50USD to make (labor, materials, delivery) and are sold for $5USD so they are affordable but not just given away as most people don't have a tendency to maintain things they are given, especially when compared to something they had to save for. All delivered filters are geotagged so they can be checked and found (other than by so and so's sister's husband's fifth son's house kind of directions).Haiti is beautiful and I want to go back. It's got a lot of problems and hopefully one day not only will there be sufficient infrastructure, but enough skilled labor to maintain and expand it as necessary. Education and sanitation will go a long way there.

You're dealing with a culture that blew up its extremely productive coral reefs, cut down every single tree they could, and burned every green thing they could find. The UN, US, and France are not responsible for the ecological disaster that is Haiti.

Khazar-Khum:You're dealing with a culture that blew up its extremely productive coral reefs, cut down every single tree they could, and burned every green thing they could find. The UN, US, and France are not responsible for the ecological disaster that is Haiti.

Why do you think they cut down and burned every goddamned thing they could get their hands on?

Hint: they can't afford market rates for cooking and heating fuel.

Sidebar: the deforestation has led to topsoil erosion, which means starvation is in the cards for Haitians who remain there.

95BV5:Khazar-Khum: You're dealing with a culture that blew up its extremely productive coral reefs, cut down every single tree they could, and burned every green thing they could find. The UN, US, and France are not responsible for the ecological disaster that is Haiti.

Why do you think they cut down and burned every goddamned thing they could get their hands on?

Hint: they can't afford market rates for cooking and heating fuel.

Sidebar: the deforestation has led to topsoil erosion, which means starvation is in the cards for Haitians who remain there.

The damage has been going on for a lot longer than since the earthquake. Why do you think the Dominican Republic keeps the Haitians out? Hint: They want to keep their forests.

Khazar-Khum:95BV5: Khazar-Khum: You're dealing with a culture that blew up its extremely productive coral reefs, cut down every single tree they could, and burned every green thing they could find. The UN, US, and France are not responsible for the ecological disaster that is Haiti.

Why do you think they cut down and burned every goddamned thing they could get their hands on?

Hint: they can't afford market rates for cooking and heating fuel.

Sidebar: the deforestation has led to topsoil erosion, which means starvation is in the cards for Haitians who remain there.

The damage has been going on for a lot longer than since the earthquake. Why do you think the Dominican Republic keeps the Haitians out? Hint: They want to keep their forests.

Tatterdemalian:Or adopt modern standards of hygeine and medicine, instead of insisting that a chant from a local witch doctor is more effective because nobody has the right to judge your culture.

This.

"Fixing" this problem essentially amounts to educating the public and having an infrastructure of safe water and appropriate waste disposal. These are things Haiti will never do because the cronies in charge would rather keep that money for themselves.