Piers Morgan ripped to pieces on national television!

He probably went home crying after that, he just got utterly destroyed. :neener:

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nathan

January 17, 2013, 04:30 PM

Last night he was resorting to tactics used by Scotland Yard Constabulary and British MI 6 in conducting interrogations of suspects to squeeze out a confession. He is now beginning to sound very irrational and obsessed about the AR carbine. WHy , why does anyone need to have an AR? This is the same thing he spews everytime he faces the camera. CNN editors were scripting him to do it again and again . They got the White House backing so there goes Pierce, the mouthpiece of the antigunners. Since he's a Briton the more they wanna irk the American gunowners as it reminds them of 1774 American Revolution.

SharpsDressedMan

January 17, 2013, 04:36 PM

I didn't think it was quite the decisive "win" that you think it was. They both had some strong points, but Shapiro should have used the references to incidents in the US where citizens DID use semi-auito rifles to re-take control of corrupt government (that "Battle of Athens" recently brought up on THR), and the fact that those types of guns have been in the hands of peaceful and legitimate citizens for over 60 years, many of which were SOLD by the government TO the citizens (carbines, M1 Garands, etc). I would have asked that if Morgan himself owned an "assault rifle" whether he would go out and shoot children. Mere possession of one doesn't make for a crime, except soon, in NY. I also thought it interesting that a GUNS IN AMERICA sign was flashing in the back of Piers everytime the camara panned that direction, which was to emphasize some subliminal effect on the viewer, but no SUPPORT THE 2ND AMENDMENT sign was flashing behind Mr Shapiro. :rolleyes:

PT92

January 17, 2013, 04:43 PM

I didn't think it was quite the decisive "win" that you think it was. They both had some strong points...

What in your opinion were Morgan's pertinent point/s?

somerandomguy

January 17, 2013, 04:45 PM

What in your opinion were Morgan's pertinent point/s?
When does Piers Morgan ever have any pertinent points?

PT92

January 17, 2013, 04:56 PM

When does Piers Morgan ever have any pertinent points?
Hence the question for my own edification ;).

robb01

January 17, 2013, 04:59 PM

Well done!

skeeziks

January 17, 2013, 05:15 PM

Wow! He looks just like Jeff Gordon....

sawdeanz

January 17, 2013, 05:25 PM

Reminds me of the discussion I had with my father last night. Most people can't get through their head that there are legitimate reasons for having an ar-15, and its even harder to convince them that we don't need a reason in the first place. My favorite point is the one Ben Sharpiro made saying if the "left" really wanted to stop violence they should ban handguns.
This question always stumps the person who doesn't believe we need a total ban (though they try not to appear stumped) but they want to ban assault rifles. The usual comeback is to change the subject to "why does anyone need an assault rifle, they are mass killing machines." People just don't get that assault weapons are just like other semi-auto rifles, and that in the grand scheme of things they don't matter. If assault weapons were as dangerous as people make them out to be, wouldn't they be the weapon of choice for everyday criminals? If we are talking numbers handguns are the most dangerous (no matter what the caliber).

This is an easy way to find out what kind of person you are dealing with. Most people don't want to ban handguns or other "normal" guns, or if they do then you can jump right into the 2A debate! That said I can't get my dad to see the light. He didn't even know what a muzzle break was but when he heard about it on the news he assumed it must be a dangerous feature we should ban.

nathan

January 17, 2013, 05:37 PM

If someone can invite him to shoot an AR 15 at the range to see what it can do . ANd once he gets the hanged of it, then ask him the question. Okey , you have an AR with a .30 rd mag and a Smith and wesson revolver that only carries six rounds as your home defense firearms. Suddenly a group of heavily armed robbers smashed through your front gate and you can see them from afar. He has time to grab a gun to defend himself. Which of the two firearms , AR or revolver , would he choose ?

figment

January 17, 2013, 05:44 PM

not a win at all but less loony than Nugent :(

skeeziks

January 17, 2013, 06:19 PM

Yeah, I finally finished watching it and Shapiro didn't rip him to shreads at all. If anything, Morgan ripped him.
Unfortunately, it didn't turn anyone "on the fence" towards our side, I suspect.

I admire Shapiro for sticking to the real reason for "why does anyone need an AR15?" but the people who know nothing about guns and, as a result, fear them, don't want to hear "Because it's our God-given Right" anymore.

When someone asks me the question ("why do you need") I tell them because when a gang of bad guys invade my home armed to the teeth, I'm going to need enough firepower to protect my family...that's why!

M-Cameron

January 17, 2013, 06:28 PM

when someone asks me why i NEED a gun.....i ask them why they NEED the First Amendment......and when they answer "so they cant take away my free speech"....i answer "...and thats why i NEED a gun".

PT92

January 17, 2013, 06:51 PM

when someone asks me why i NEED a gun.....i ask them why they NEED the First Amendment......and when they answer "so they cant take away my free speech"....i answer "...and thats why i NEED a gun".
Invariably the antis respond "yeah but you can't yell "Fire"! It's like clockwork :rolleyes:...

RockyMtnTactical

January 17, 2013, 07:17 PM

I had no idea who Piers Morgan was prior to Sandy Hook, now he is the mouth piece of the gun control movement. Interesting. How appropriate that he is British.

SharpsDressedMan

January 17, 2013, 07:25 PM

Piers brought up the four recent shooting involving "assault rifles". Hard to dispute that. And, hard to ignore. Now guys, try to forget you are pro-gun for a minute. If you think like a lib, or just allow yourself a few minutes away from the emotions your feeling, if a guy wants to try to offer a solution to the MAJORITY that doesn't cost them anything (I think semi-auto rifle owners MIGHT be in the minority), then they might stop and listen to what he has to say. That is scary, and simple minds will jump on simple "solutions" (they are not really solutions, but someone is selling them on it right now anyway). We have to be ready to refute any and ALL points they bring up, with articulated reasoning. Anything less, and we look like we are scrambling, grabbing ast straws, or making things up.

MedWheeler

January 17, 2013, 07:42 PM

When someone asks me why I need a gun, I respond that I don't. I then tell her (it's usually a "her") that, should that ever change, it will probably change quite suddenly.

Kind of like a fire extinguisher in the home. Not needed at all, until it is.

I also don't believe that, just because something is likely never to be needed (such as a car capable of exceeding the highest speed limit in the state), it should not be permitted.

Cosmoline

January 17, 2013, 07:46 PM

People need to stop watching him! His ratings were horrible until he found this hook. They were about ready to can him.

I get what you're saying in that we cannot appear to be implacable and averse to a discussion of 2A.

That said, I would start by telling Mr. Morgan that I do not accept (his definition) that a civilian AR is, in fact, an "Assault Rifle." In fact, its cartridge (.223) is actually far less powerful than "your Father's" old hunting rifle in .308. As we know one must pull the trigger on either platform each time to discharge a round (all of this is obvious and elementary for us I'm just sayin'). My definition of an "Assault Rifle" is one with single, select and automatic fire (only LE/Mil & criminals possess such).

I am willing to have a discussion with the antis but only provided the fundamentals have "properly" been defined.

jamesbeat

January 17, 2013, 07:51 PM

I have to say that I'm rather offended at the anti-British sentiment in a couple of posts here.

It was my understanding that this forum had strict rules against bigotry.

I am British, and I care about the Second Amendment way more than most of my American family members, friends and acquaintances do.

meanmrmustard

January 17, 2013, 07:53 PM

Anyone watch him and Dana Loesch last nite?

PT92

January 17, 2013, 07:58 PM

Anyone watch him and Dana Loesch last nite?
Yup--I am a resident in STL as well and she's a very popular Tea Party leader in our area (her talk show is based out of here).

Why does Mr. Morgan NEED to be on television? Why does he NEED to be in America at all?

I respect his rights, why does he not respect mine?

MedWheeler

January 17, 2013, 08:03 PM

The last highly-publicized shootout I can recall that involved something that might be considered an "assault rifle" was the North Hollywood Bank of America robbery, in which two assailants were armed with, and fired dozens of rounds from, fully-automatic AK-47 weapons. Eleven LEOs and at seven civilians were shot, but there were no fatalities among them.

Incidentally, this occurred in 1997, just over halfway into the ten-year "assault-weapons" ban.

PT92

January 17, 2013, 08:03 PM

I have to say that I'm rather offended at the anti-British sentiment in a couple of posts here.

It was my understanding that this forum had strict rules against bigotry.

I am British, and I care about the Second Amendment way more than most of my American family members, friends and acquaintances do.
I agree that there are exceptions in just about every case including the Brits etc..

However, I do have a question (seriously as I do not know), do the Brits have SO many Americans on British News and TV in general (at least proportionately in line with the ratio of Brits here on American TV)? If so, are those Americans usually espousing left or right like doctrine? In general here, my experience has been that outside of Stuart Varney on Fox, the Brits on American media "tend" to be quite liberal but that's only surmising from what I watch.

--Cheers

justice06rr

January 17, 2013, 08:05 PM

He got even more torn up on the Colbert Show on Jan 14th. Watch it, its hilariuos and it only took Colbert less than 5mins to break him down.

In short, Colbert asked Morgan how he can tell us how to live here in the US and about all our Rights, when Morgan has never had those rights and does not know what he's talking about. Colbert gave him 3 copies of the Bill of Rights just for kicks LOL.

Piers brought up the four recent shooting involving "assault rifles". Hard to dispute that. And, hard to ignore. Now guys, try to forget you are pro-gun for a minute. If you think like a lib, or just allow yourself a few minutes away from the emotions your feeling, if a guy wants to try to offer a solution to the MAJORITY that doesn't cost them anything (I think semi-auto rifle owners MIGHT be in the minority), then they might stop and listen to what he has to say. That is scary, and simple minds will jump on simple "solutions" (they are not really solutions, but someone is selling them on it right now anyway). We have to be ready to refute any and ALL points they bring up, with articulated reasoning. Anything less, and we look like we are scrambling, grabbing ast straws, or making things up.

Hard to dispute? Not at all.

Assault rifles are not the issue. Its more like mental health, security of schools and the public, etc.

Some of us are actually not involved emotionally with all the mass shooting tragedies and still think logically, unlike others who jump at people and misuse their emotions to gain foothold on gun control.

meanmrmustard

January 17, 2013, 08:09 PM

Yup--I am a resident in STL as well and she's a very popular Tea Party leader in our area (her talk show is based out of here).

He gets roiled by the answers he gets, when he allows an answer, then recycles his own rhetoric to try and win an argument that he can't.

Plus, Loesch is hot.

Jolly Rogers

January 17, 2013, 08:12 PM

Remember that the police where impotent in fighting off the real "assault" weapons the armed robbers used until they were able to borrow LEGAL semi auto sporting rifles from local gunshops. Thank god there were some in the area!
This in reference to the North Hollywood event.
Joe

jamesbeat

January 17, 2013, 08:13 PM

No, I'd say America has more Brits on TV than Britain has Americans, and the Americans on British TV do seem to be more on the liberal side.

I think that's just the fact that the media tends to be liberal though.

Believe me, in my experience, Brits in general aren't nearly as anti-gun as a lot of Americans think they are, and Americans rarely fit the stereotype that they have in Britain.

The problem is the media. Both countries are dictated to by their liberal media, including Piers Morgan...

PT92

January 17, 2013, 08:15 PM

He got even more torn up on the Colbert Show on Jan 14th. Watch it, its hilariuos and it only took Colbert less than 5mins to break him down.

MUST SEE TV--I know "Colbert" is a "character" but WOW did he not convey to Morgan the 'comedic' hypocrisy of a "Red Coat" dictating "once again" to America to follow the British lead--IMO both poignant and freaking hilarious!

Assault rifles are not the issue...

Am I the only one in the thread that rejects the antis definition of an "assault rifle?" As I see it, if we don't immediately make clear to ALL that there are no "assault rifles" in civilian hands we will never sway public opinion...

In NY this Ruger 10/22 is now ILLEGAL and classified as an assault rifle :rolleyes::Are you kidding me.....?
http://i608.photobucket.com/albums/tt163/markewall/1022_zpsa49eafb9.jpg

PT92

January 17, 2013, 08:25 PM

St Louis boy here, too.

He gets roiled by the answers he gets, when he allows an answer, then recycles his own rhetoric to try and win an argument that he can't.

I'm getting more and more annoyed with people who think the Constitution is a "buffet". That they can select the parts they like and ignore the others. It's one big pill that you have to swallow whole. Do so or go someplace where you'll feel more comfortable.

jamesbeat

January 17, 2013, 08:51 PM

Bingo!

That's what is really ironic to me, the entire media is based upon the First Amendment. If it wasn't for the First Amendment, we wouldn't have a media (we'd have a propaganda machine, but not what we think of as the media).
If the First Amendment was treated as disrespectfully as they treat the Second Amendment, they would be up in arms (no pun intended).
All of the amendments are there for a reason, and are all equally important.

skeeziks

January 17, 2013, 09:04 PM

"Am I the only one in the thread that rejects the antis definition of an "assault rifle?"

No...you're not. There's you, and there's me. ;)

It's been bugging the crap out of me as well. Someone from the left made this nick-name up years ago and now everyone refers to them as such.

jamesbeat

January 17, 2013, 09:13 PM

Another one here, "assault rifle" has been deliberately misused (along with news footage of full auto fire) to fool the general public into believing that people can walk into a store and buy a machine gun.

I guess it's ok to lie as long as it's for the kids...

Trent

January 17, 2013, 10:26 PM

Is this groundhog day?

We had this thread a few days ago.

Either that or I'm really losing it.

:)

col.lemat

January 17, 2013, 10:30 PM

The only point Morgan can make is on the the top of his head

PT92

January 17, 2013, 10:42 PM

Is this groundhog day?

We had this thread a few days ago.

Either that or I'm really losing it.

:)

Not to veer off on a Tangent, but it's amazing the "cult-like" following that film has garnered over the years...? It's almost replaced "Deja Vu" in our vernacular...

But I get your point in that we have read so much about a few topics in particular of late (all over the Net) it's hard to keep track :confused:...

sig228

January 17, 2013, 10:51 PM

Great interview. Worth taking the 15 minutes to watch. I especially like the fiery beginning.

blarby

January 17, 2013, 10:56 PM

Unfortunately, coming across as a tyranny wonk at the end of the discussion will indeed make americans make their own choice.

The correct answer to that question is :

" I believe that we need any weapon obtainable, including the AR-15, to defend us from tyranny both from within and without-. Especially against those landed foreign nationals who cchoose to come to our land dictating the terms of our constitution that freed us from the specific tyranny of their homeland. "