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scouting staff: drafting history speaks 4 itself. missing out on guys like iggy, granger for guys like graham and araujo consistently year after year. Also never having any success in the second round. scouting d needs an overhaul.

Moving forward we need 2 trade and or amnesty to get rid of the big euro 3. clear the dead weight and clear some cap.

Fire BC and hire a young gm whos patient, with an eye 4 talent who can draft well and sign players to reasonable extension ala sam presti <okc>

Lastly build around coach casey, lowry, dd, ed,ross, val and amir. guys who will work hard to improve and play both sides of the ball.
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lets your first rounders develop 2gether and if we lose we can continue 2 build the right way through the draft. just my thoughts on what needs to happen 4 this franchise 2 ever succeed.

i think this is a record. the panic button has been abused and it is 7 games into the season.. 7 games!! 3 of which were close losses without our best player. give it till the ASB before you start calling for every body's head.

Overall I'm not opposed to the idea of cleaning house a bit. I'm not sure I'd take all the steps you did though, but you targeted a lot of keys areas. Much of it can/should wait until the off-season though. Which gives management more time to assess what they want to do and who they want to build around long-term.

For example Calderon is an expiring contract. If you can get value for him in a trade, great, but I doubt we'll be seeing him back next year anyways. I can't see Kleiza having much value on the trade market. But he does have a player option for next season, and he may not be happy with his limited role here. I could see him looking for a 2-3 year deal with a team that has a role for him even if it means less money per year.

The team does have an amnesty still but can't use it until the off-season. So depending on their plans for Amir, Kleiza (if he opts in) and Bargnani, that's something that can be done in the off-season too. I don't think we can offer Lowry any type of extension until next off-season either, so we have to find out if he has any interest in sticking around long-term too.

I certainly expect the team will have a lot of moving pieces at some point in the season or during the off-season that will answer some of your concerns. For now though, they have to learn to compete more consistently.

This isnt overracting its a long time coming. Casey has tried to change the culture of the team. He wants to do that by having a tough, physical defensive team. How can he do that when he "face of the franchise" is Andrea Bargnani?? hes not tough, he cant defend, rebounding is a joke, and his offense is replacable. I just heard on the Hayes show on TSN radio a reporter writting an article about how Barnani needs to be moved, and totally agree. This team will go no where with Bargnani as "the guy"

scouting staff: drafting history speaks 4 itself. missing out on guys like iggy, granger for guys like graham and araujo consistently year after year. Also never having any success in the second round. scouting d needs an overhaul.

Moving forward we need 2 trade and or amnesty to get rid of the big euro 3. clear the dead weight and clear some cap.

Fire BC and hire a young gm whos patient, with an eye 4 talent who can draft well and sign players to reasonable extension ala sam presti <okc>

Lastly build around coach casey, lowry, dd, ed,ross, val and amir. guys who will work hard to improve and play both sides of the ball.
start
lowry
ross
dd
ed
val

lets your first rounders develop 2gether and if we lose we can continue 2 build the right way through the draft. just my thoughts on what needs to happen 4 this franchise 2 ever succeed.

I could not agree more. Our euros dont have the mental toughness to do what it takes to win consistantly. This is logical conclusion from years of losing and continued under performance to start the season... Any thought of playoffs is long gone with this start.

This isnt overracting its a long time coming. Casey has tried to change the culture of the team. He wants to do that by having a tough, physical defensive team. How can he do that when he "face of the franchise" is Andrea Bargnani?? hes not tough, he cant defend, rebounding is a joke, and his offense is replacable. I just heard on the Hayes show on TSN radio a reporter writting an article about how Barnani needs to be moved, and totally agree. This team will go no where with Bargnani as "the guy"

preach, its like i said you cant continue 2 build around a flawed player, because all it does is create a flawed team.

I could not agree more. Our euros dont have the mental toughness to do what it takes to win consistantly. This is logical conclusion from years of losing and continued under performance to start the season... Any thought of playoffs is long gone with this start.

even if we made the playoffs, i dont want a soft 35 win team every year. toronto deserves a tough winner, year in year out. if the spurs can do it the raps should be able 2.

I've been saying for the longest time that we need to gut the team. We never really rebuilt and because of that we missed out on what should have been a really important pick last year. It's quite obvious that this team is missing 'franchise' level talent and Ross was probably the worst consolation for a **** season I've ever seen. Management can say all they want about building a winning mentality but at the end of the day they blew it. We're not going to attract winning talent and the draft was supposed to be our way out of mediocrity.

I don't think we'll ever be successful with Bargnani as the starting PF for multiple reasons and it's pretty obvious that we're in deep **** as a franchise right now. Anyone who thinks Lowry will stay after next season if we miss out on the playoffs or get bounced in the first round is a nut case.

It's an all around bad situation and management should be canned because of it.

As for the scouting staff I have no complaints. Derozan, Ed, and Val were all solid picks for 9, 13, and 5 respectively.