hmm, I'm not sure it would be fair to expect the Maldives to have to take all the members of the Houses of Parliament and the Lords though, as they are all at it :D
(as indeed are most of the UK workforce / employers if they get the chance!)

hmm, I'm not sure it would be fair to expect the Maldives to have to take all the members of the Houses of Parliament and the Lords though, as they are all at it

(as indeed are most of the UK workforce / employers if they get the chance!)

[quote]Hmm, I'm not sure it would be fair to expect the Maldives to have to take all the members of the Houses of Parliament and the Lords though, [b]as they are all at it[/b] :D
([b]as indeed are most of the UK workforce / employers if they get the chance![/b])[/quote]
A rather sweeping condemnation.

Quote:Hmm, I'm not sure it would be fair to expect the Maldives to have to take all the members of the Houses of Parliament and the Lords though, as they are all at it

(as indeed are most of the UK workforce / employers if they get the chance!)

[quote]Hmm, I'm not sure it would be fair to expect the Maldives to have to take all the members of the Houses of Parliament and the Lords though, as they are all at it :D
(as indeed are most of the UK workforce / employers if they get the chance!)
A rather sweeping condemnation.[/quote]
I can only tell it as I see it (doesn't make me right of course) but every single person I've met from the "lowest" to "highest" in business and politics has, whenever the chance was there, padded their expenses or tried for some other angle to get a few extra benefits (and I have met an awful lot in my work and travels). The UK is pretty benign compared to the rest of the world however and our rules on bribery and corruption are some of the strongest in the world. If I'm honest I do get pissed off with things like the current Maria Miller nonsense, most of the noise being made by those she was trying to curtail in their own wrong doing and the rest being totally hypocritical and playing for personal / political benefit or self-satisfaction (like I say, my views don't make me right but I have a pretty low opinion of humanity as expressed by this sort of crap)

Quote:Hmm, I'm not sure it would be fair to expect the Maldives to have to take all the members of the Houses of Parliament and the Lords though, as they are all at it

(as indeed are most of the UK workforce / employers if they get the chance!)
A rather sweeping condemnation.

I can only tell it as I see it (doesn't make me right of course) but every single person I've met from the "lowest" to "highest" in business and politics has, whenever the chance was there, padded their expenses or tried for some other angle to get a few extra benefits (and I have met an awful lot in my work and travels). The UK is pretty benign compared to the rest of the world however and our rules on bribery and corruption are some of the strongest in the world. If I'm honest I do get pissed off with things like the current Maria Miller nonsense, most of the noise being made by those she was trying to curtail in their own wrong doing and the rest being totally hypocritical and playing for personal / political benefit or self-satisfaction (like I say, my views don't make me right but I have a pretty low opinion of humanity as expressed by this sort of crap)

[quote]Hmm, I'm not sure it would be fair to expect the Maldives to have to take all the members of the Houses of Parliament and the Lords though, as they are all at it :D
(as indeed are most of the UK workforce / employers if they get the chance!)
A rather sweeping condemnation.[/quote]
+1
If I fiddled my expenses I would be sacked for gross misconduct, as would most employees.

Quote:Hmm, I'm not sure it would be fair to expect the Maldives to have to take all the members of the Houses of Parliament and the Lords though, as they are all at it

(as indeed are most of the UK workforce / employers if they get the chance!)
A rather sweeping condemnation.

+1

If I fiddled my expenses I would be sacked for gross misconduct, as would most employees.

[quote]Hmm, I'm not sure it would be fair to expect the Maldives to have to take all the members of the Houses of Parliament and the Lords though, as they are all at it :D
(as indeed are most of the UK workforce / employers if they get the chance!)
A rather sweeping condemnation.
+1
If I fiddled my expenses I would be sacked for gross misconduct, as would most employees.[/quote]
Absolutely. Most of the 'lower' working population don't have an opportunity to fiddle expenses because they don't get any. This is not to dispute some would given the opportunity and I expect there are many who look at their money being used to eg. pay bankers vast bonuses for failing, who are wondering what is really going on.
As brian 1208 states its easy to lose faith in humanity but I often wonder how much of a divisive and unregulated economic system contributes to that. The idea that it controls or runs itself is nonsense. Governments make decisions, its unfortunate that some of those in government choose to contribute to their own pockets as well as those of their corporate 'interests'. Until the political class are held to account it will continue. That it would seem depends on us.
But hey, we always have X Factor ;)

Quote:Hmm, I'm not sure it would be fair to expect the Maldives to have to take all the members of the Houses of Parliament and the Lords though, as they are all at it

(as indeed are most of the UK workforce / employers if they get the chance!)
A rather sweeping condemnation.

+1

If I fiddled my expenses I would be sacked for gross misconduct, as would most employees.

Absolutely. Most of the 'lower' working population don't have an opportunity to fiddle expenses because they don't get any. This is not to dispute some would given the opportunity and I expect there are many who look at their money being used to eg. pay bankers vast bonuses for failing, who are wondering what is really going on.

As brian 1208 states its easy to lose faith in humanity but I often wonder how much of a divisive and unregulated economic system contributes to that. The idea that it controls or runs itself is nonsense. Governments make decisions, its unfortunate that some of those in government choose to contribute to their own pockets as well as those of their corporate 'interests'. Until the political class are held to account it will continue. That it would seem depends on us.

Back to the original post, the girl was an immigrant who shouldn't have been here. Irrespective of her personal ambition she had been denied the right to stay. If the press are to be believed, their reason for asylum was "an abusive family member in her own country". What nonsense that this should be considered a right and proper reason fro granting asylum. Cameron and the government are right to deport her.

Back to the original post, the girl was an immigrant who shouldn't have been here. Irrespective of her personal ambition she had been denied the right to stay. If the press are to be believed, their reason for asylum was "an abusive family member in her own country". What nonsense that this should be considered a right and proper reason fro granting asylum. Cameron and the government are right to deport her.

[quote]Back to the original post, the girl was an immigrant who shouldn't have been here. Irrespective of her personal ambition she had been denied the right to stay. If the press are to be believed, their reason for asylum was "an abusive family member in her own country". What nonsense that this should be considered a right and proper reason fro granting asylum. Cameron and the government are right to deport her.[/quote]
Thats half of it, the other was about a MP abusing position. Any comment?

Quote:Back to the original post, the girl was an immigrant who shouldn't have been here. Irrespective of her personal ambition she had been denied the right to stay. If the press are to be believed, their reason for asylum was "an abusive family member in her own country". What nonsense that this should be considered a right and proper reason fro granting asylum. Cameron and the government are right to deport her.

Thats half of it, the other was about a MP abusing position. Any comment?

[quote]This is the sort of crap that makes me so jaundiced in my view of people at large
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151934077271739&set=gm.644031055670380&type=1&theater[/quote]
Sorry Brian, whats wrong with it? Is that not her voting record ? Is she minister for equality? has she not been caught fiddling her expenses?
personally I don't know the answer to any of those questions, just wondering what makes it "crap" ?

Quote:This is the sort of crap that makes me so jaundiced in my view of people at large

Sorry Brian, whats wrong with it? Is that not her voting record ? Is she minister for equality? has she not been caught fiddling her expenses?
personally I don't know the answer to any of those questions, just wondering what makes it "crap" ?

[quote]Now here's an idea Corrupt Bankers can we add Corrupt Politicians to the list for the firing squads.
[/quote]
will do for starters
The pasting the word "Thief" across the face of someone who was cleared of fraudulent claims, if this is the level of political debate that is considered acceptable these days I'm clearly too old for our modern world
I found this interesting too, from the "Grauniad"
[quote]Maria Miller expenses scandal: failure to show remorse may seal MP's fate
It may be a lack of humility rather than her £90,000 expenses claim that pushes the culture secretary out of the door[/quote]
So, we couldn't get her for fraudulent claims so we'll have a go at her for not kowtowing to the parliamentary committee (I think one phrase I saw used was here "Legalistic approach" - when they were accusing her of fraud it seems perfectly right to me to be "Legalistic")
One big problem I see more and more is that the standards of acceptable behaviour now depend more on which part you believe in than any rational comparable basis of judgement
As I say, I'm too old for this nonsense :(
(at least I'm consistent, I despise the lot of them from which ever party and I despise the so called Political Commentators even more)

Quote:Now here's an idea Corrupt Bankers can we add Corrupt Politicians to the list for the firing squads.

will do for starters

The pasting the word "Thief" across the face of someone who was cleared of fraudulent claims, if this is the level of political debate that is considered acceptable these days I'm clearly too old for our modern world

It may be a lack of humility rather than her £90,000 expenses claim that pushes the culture secretary out of the door

So, we couldn't get her for fraudulent claims so we'll have a go at her for not kowtowing to the parliamentary committee (I think one phrase I saw used was here "Legalistic approach" - when they were accusing her of fraud it seems perfectly right to me to be "Legalistic")

One big problem I see more and more is that the standards of acceptable behaviour now depend more on which part you believe in than any rational comparable basis of judgement

As I say, I'm too old for this nonsense

(at least I'm consistent, I despise the lot of them from which ever party and I despise the so called Political Commentators even more)