Hand was so underwhelming. We saw how badass they were in DD S2. I mean matt struggled against them because they could hide their heartbeats and were deadly silent.

In IF they were generic thugs lol.

Matt would wipe the floor with every single one of them without a scratch.

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It seems like the Hand itself is quite complex and there are tons of different levels of threat in there. From Gao's badass assassins to Bakuto's entry level brainwashed college kids. In the end The Hand shows up again and apparently attacked K'un Lun, so that means that there is a more badass section of The Hand still around.

Had its moments but it was quite often dull. Writing is quite poor. Characters are inconsistent. Plot points all over the place. No character had any motivation at all and if they did, it made no sense.

Fight scenes were good but nowhere near as good as they were in DD1 and DD2.

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DD S1Jessica JonesDD S2Luke CageIron Fist

That's really not a good trajectory.

It's basically like this with every superhero show.

Arrow has gotten worse every season from season 2.Flash worse every seasonEvery season of a Netflix show or new series gets worse.

Except for Legends of Tomorrow

Although it still hasn't had it's mortal 3rd season that CW supershows seem to have.

Did enjoy it, had some really good parts but yeah was madly inconsistent. The end with Joy lmaoooo wtf is that. 10 minutes after finding out Danny is set up by her father, the father he protected along with her and Ward 400000 times she's cool with discussing his death. After being built up as the shows voice of morality and reason. wtf is that. Horrible.

The Hand smh. More like rent-a-thugs. Prime Nobu is turning in his grave. Him and the hand we seen with him were on a different level to these jobbers. That Mo Salah Bukakke feller was a jobber. Tbh his watered down version of the hand were probably the good guys. They were right about society being run by corporations and they would've probably done more good than Danny & friends.

Speaking of Danny, for somebody that was borderline going psychotic at the end with rage, as well as being a living weapon he sure did well to not actually try and take anybodies life

If the hand are the main enemy to Danny, DD, JJ and LC I hope they resemble something more like Nobu because they're absolute jobbers right now. Bunch of not even black belt kung fu dropouts

Mo Salah did say there was a member of the hand that looked forward to working with Danny in the 2nd last ep. Hope that person doesn't turn out to be some jobber too.

7/10. Should've been 8-8.5 with the potential it had.

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Weak story, meh actors and characters. Danny can't fight for shit, needs atleast a year of training before filming.

Agree that they should've casted someone else but if you read his comments it's clear that it's not just down to him not being good enough.

“But really, I was learning the fight scenes 15 minutes before we actually shot them because the schedule was so tight,” Jones tells Metro. "So 15 minutes before, the stunt director would talk me through the choreography and I'd just jump straight into it. It really was a baptism of fire and I just learned on the job and I've been doing it for 12 months now. With practice, you just get better and better with dealing with that kind of schedule.”[...]“It was very intense, to begin with,” Jones says. “When I first moved over to New York, before I started actually filming, I had three weeks of very intense martial arts and weight training preparation. But then unfortunately once the show started, the filming schedule was just so tight – I was working 14 hours every day, six days a week, days into nights, nights into days – and actually my schedule didn’t allow me to continue the training as much as I really hoped.” http://comicbook.com/marvel/2017/03/25/iron-fist-finn-jones-fight-scenes/

They really just didn't give a shit about having good fights in a show about a martial arts master

Watched it. The writing was absolutely terrible and some of the characters were really stupid. There's just too many bad moments for me to list them. The first couple of episodes were slow paced, boring and dull as hell. Thankfully it got better in the middle but the endgame fell flat too. I can see why critics savaged it. Arrow season 2 was better, so was Flash season 1 and all the MCU Netflix shows so far. This was on par with Arrow season 1 for me.

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My favorite part of the show was when Danny was fighting all the other kung fu guys. They really should have based the show around that instead of convoluted schemes involving the Meachums. The fights against three of the Hand's chosen and the drunk guy, yeah those parts were really entertaining even though the choreography was not top notch. The show fell apart again when Bakuto was introduced (props to Tom for pointing out the resemblance to Salah )

I appreciated Finn Jones's acting. He was a great Danny, its not his fault his character was a depowered moron. They really should not have butchered the source material WHICH IS SO GOOD and perfect for TV like that. Show dont tell. SHOW us Danny rising through the ranks at Kun Lun, kicking ass and facing the dragon. That would have been entertaining. Also the writing, jeez wouldn't it be better if Danny returned to New York because he learns The Hand is operating there. How convenient was it that he returns after fifteen years and his sworn enemies are controlling his company and he also happen to bump into Coleen a member of The Hand on the street?

If there is a season 2 Scott Buck should not touch it with a 10 foot pole. He ruined Dexter and he is gonna ruin Iron Fist too.

Yeah that was hilariously overly complicated too. So the primary focus of this group is to defeat the hand, secondary goal obviously would be to guard the city from enemies like the hand. Danny, by disgusting plot convenience but from the characters POV was more like destiny, stumbled upon the Hand. In his own *bleep* company after falling into the monks hands as a kid. And he's the bad guy for 'deserting' them to do his primary job? Gtfo. Absolutely baffling his mate and any other monks didn't put 2 + 2 together being all spiritual and think maybe it's destiny he went back and ended up fighting the hand.

Not sure why they're too worried about such an organisation though. Aside from their 1 or 2 respectable members and their ability to bring people back from the dead we learned their recruits are mostly purposeless kids with ok martial arts skills. Doubt you need mythical human weapons for that. Pretty sure Jessica Jones would have smashed the hand in Iron Fist

The more I think of it the more I am annoyed with as M99 said the lack of showing us the shit Danny went through and how awful the villains were. Marvels Netflix success has been arguably mostly down to the fantastic villains we've had. But since Cottonmouth died and got replaced with imo a terrible, terrible villain we've also had these jobbers. Marvel TV shows are declining almost from DD S1 back the way which is disappointing because they should in theory get marginally better if not at least stay at a similar level. They seem to be 10x better at building up villains with mystery and suspense than they are executing it and showing us the villains. They're turning out to be jobbers as of now. Thank f prime Kingpin will be a thing soon.

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Studying about those good ol' days and who shall wear, the starry crown gooood lawd. Show me the waaaaay.

To... well... Can't actually find anything on bakuto on youtube outside of the last fight because he's such a shit villain that nobody had any interest in. For a leader of a supremely evil organisation he was truly shit.

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Studying about those good ol' days and who shall wear, the starry crown gooood lawd. Show me the waaaaay.

The only superhero show worse than this is Supergirl. For a character that's supposed to be the best fighter in the Marvel universe, this had by far the worst fight scenes I've ever seen. Even Arrow as shit as it is had better fights. I was disappointed with everything about this show. Meh actors (except maybe Harold and Ward), shit story that also manages to be inconsistent, shit plot points, shit music and almost historically shit fight scenes. What a waste of time! 4/10.

Harold was great. Ward annoyed me at first, typical person in denial even though their *bleep* city has seen alien invasions and avengers etc, couldn't believe a danny looking guy is danny after reasonable proof. But he came into his own and by the time he was bordering on a breakdown he was in some of my favourite scenes.

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Luke Harper wrote:We are the ones... the ones that you've been told about. And WE... are walking upright.

Studying about those good ol' days and who shall wear, the starry crown gooood lawd. Show me the waaaaay.