Why The Left Doesn’t Want You To Know About The Tripolitan Pirate Wars

FitzRoy is a British and American Nationalist who refuses to apologize for the British Empire. As a young man, he "took a President's shilling" and served in the U.S. Army. In his free time, he enjoys studying history and destroying the SJW revisionist narrative.

The great historian George Santayana is often quoted as saying,

Progress, far from consisting in change, depends on retentiveness. When change is absolute there remains no being to improve and no direction is set for possible improvement: and when experience is not retained, as among savages, infancy is perpetual. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

One of the greatest weapons in the arsenal of the social justice warriors is the revision of history. This is nothing new: every totalitarian or tyrannical regime has used the revision of history as a means to control its population. Like the confiscation of arms, tyranny is always preceded by a rewriting of history.

While the revision of history is a terrible intellectual crime, alongside is the omission of history. The simple act of omitting certain historical events that contradict the politically acceptable narrative: white Christian heterosexual men are the only villains in the world.

The events this article will explore a significant part of history that is often left out of history texts. It is given token treatment in the name of “tolerance.” Its heroes are white, Christian, heterosexual men. The villains are non-white, non-European Muslims of the Barbary Coast.

The Arab Slave Trade

Whenever a SJW brings up slavery, it is always about white people bringing slaves to the New World for work on plantations. However, a far more ghastly slave trade existed almost a thousand years before molasses was traded for black people: the Arab Slave Trade.

Starting in 650 (before the Crusades) and lasting until 1960, approximately 18 million people were enslaved from various Arab states, from the Barbary Pirate States to Turkey itself. Between 1500 and 1850, 1.25 million white Europeans were enslaved by Arab slave traders.

After being captured, these Europeans were typically given two choices: remain Christian and be a slave, or convert to Islam, as it was against Islamic law for a Muslim to enslave another Muslim.

Enter The United States

In the years immediately after the American Revolution, American merchantmen were no longer under the protection of the most powerful navy in the world: the British Royal Navy. Trade was vital to the fledgling young nation, and her merchantmen traveled the Mediterranean to deliver and purchase goods to support the new economy.

Being located in North Africa, the Barbary Pirate states were uniquely situated to take advantage of vulnerable American shipping. A large portion of the northern coast of Africa was under their control (and ostensibly, that of the Ottoman Empire). They captured American merchantmen, stole the cargo and enslaved the crews. The only way to secure release of American sailors was to pay ransom, which was insanely high: at times, $600,000 for a crew of 50, when the entire annual budget of the United States in 1803 was $8.2 million.

At the time, Great Britain was still putting down the first social justice warrior “revolution”: the French Revolution. It was an all-out murder-fest of anyone who was not ideologically in line with the Third Estate. Conflict with Napoleon meant the Royal Navy and British Army were unable to deal with the threat, so the British Empire regretfully paid “protection money” to the Barbary Pirate states. However, England would redeem itself a year after Waterloo in 1816 when the Royal Navy bombarded Algiers to free over a thousand white, Christian slaves.

The French Revolutionaries executed anyone who wasn’t in line with their quasi-socialist agenda. Don’t think for a moment that SJWs or feminists wouldn’t do the same today.

There is no god but Gold, and Muhammad is his prophet

Thomas Jefferson and John Adams were well aware of the threat posed by the Barbary Pirate states. In 1786, Adams, ambassador to Great Britain, and Jefferson, ambassador to France, met with the Tripolitan envoy, Sidi Haji Abdrahaman. They hoped to negotiate the release of several dozen Americans being held as slaves.

Abdrahaman told Jefferson and Adams “all nations which have not acknowledged the Prophet are sinners, whom it is the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave.”

SJW axiom: “Islam is a religion of peace.”

A Paper Tiger

When Thomas Jefferson took office as our third President in 1801, the United States was unprepared to defend its national interest. Both Republicans and Federalists were wary of a strong military, and the United States had yet to take its role as world police (the British Empire still held that unofficial distinction).

Thomas Jefferson supported building a strong U.S. Navy

For the first 30 years of her existence, the United States paid tribute to Tripoli, Algiers and Tunis. This is comparable to “foreign aid” paid to questionable Middle Eastern countries. These efforts were not always successful: the Barbary leaders always wanted more, and demanded princely six-figure sums when the entire Federal budget was still seven-figures.

Thomas Jefferson was determined to end the humiliation of the United States and the paying of tribute to Islamic masters. However at the moment, the United States barely had a Navy and possessed no ability to project its power overseas.

At this point in history, the United States truly was a paper tiger: although it had successfully outlasted a war with the most powerful Empire in history, it was still incapable of protecting itself. The United States was “beta” to the Tripolean pirates “alpha”: the U.S. had no choice but to concede to Barbary demands.

The Humiliation Of The U.S.S. George Washington

In 1800, the U.S.S. George Washington, under the command of Captain William Bainbridge departed to deliver tribute to the Dey of Algiers. It was a humiliating mission for a Captain in the United States Navy. The already bad situation turned into disaster: The Dey of Algiers broke all protocols of diplomatic recourse and held Captain Bainbridge and his crew hostage unless they would agree to ferry plunder for the Dey to Constantinople.

With little choice and the George Washington in the sights of Tripolean shore batteries, Captain Bainbridge conceded and carried out the mission on behalf of the Dey. Angrily, he wrote a letter to the President telling of the savage insult to the United States. Note: Captain Bainbridge wasn’t even sure who was president, as he had been at sea during the election of 1800.

Captain William Bainbridge would serve in both Barbary Pirate Wars.

Millions For Defense, But Not One Cent For Tribute!

The incident involving the U.S.S. George Washington, coupled with other crimes against the United States and Tripoli’s official declaration of war in May 1801, gave Jefferson the support he needed to build the U.S. Navy. To protect American interest and free Christian slaves, Jefferson needed a force to be reckoned with.

The United States built six frigates to protect American shipping and endorsed a plan by William Eaton to attack Tripoli. Eaton would have eight U.S. Marines under the command of Lieutenant Presley O’Bannon and a few hundred local mercenaries under the command of Hamet Karamanli.

William Eaton was appointed “General and Commander in Chief” for the fight against Tripoli.

…To the shores of Tripoli!

On April 27th, 1805, after a harrowing march through the desert, General William Eaton attacked the Tripolitan city of Derne off the North African coast. Using military tactics he learned as a Sergeant during the American Revolution, he split his force in two: Hamet and the Arab mercenaries would attack on the left where the Governor’s palace was located and fortifications weak. Eaton, along with his Marines and Greek mercenaries, would attack the right. The U.S.S. Nautilus, U.S.S. Hornet and U.S.S. Argus would bombard the port. Commanding the Nautilus was Captain Oliver Hazard Perry, who would later distinguish himself in the War of 1812.

The attack began at about 3pm. While the shore batteries in the harbor were quickly silenced by the U.S. Navy, one of the guns brought ashore by Eaton malfunctioned. Its crew was unable to fire the cannon. Quite suddenly, Eaton’s ground attack on the right had lost its artillery support. Any officer or NCO knows this can lead to disaster. Thinking quickly, Eaton adjusted his game to overcome the odds: a bayonet charge down the hill into the Tripolitan defensive line.

Amid a flash of musket fire and a twirl of bayonets, General Eaton charged the enemy defenses, with the American flag blazing in the hot North African sun. He would later write: “We rushed forward against a host of savages more than ten to our one.”

Eaton was injured in his left wrist, and found five musket ball holes in his tunic. But General Eaton, the U.S. Marines and Hamet’s mercenaries carried the day, smashing through the defensive perimeter to take the city. That evening, Lieutenant Presley O’Bannon raised the American flag over Derne. The nation that had existed for less than 30 years and was incapable of protecting its own people from enslavement now turned the tables on their would-be Muslim masters.

General Eaton and Lieutenant O’Bannon prepared their men for the march to Tripoli. A force to be reckoned with, they were now in position to put the fear of God in the Tripolitan Dey.

Betrayal Of The Lowest Order

American Forces break through the defenses of Derne.

When news reached the Pasha of Tripoli, Yusuf Karamanli (brother of Hamet Karamanli, leader of the mercenaries under General Eaton), he was positively shocked and dreadfully afraid. The man who had once scoffed at America and whose ambassador had declared the absolute superiority of Islam was now prepared to “make peace and give up the American prisoners… without consideration of money…”

However, the efforts of General Eaton, Lieutenant O’Bannon, Hamet and the U.S. Navy would be betrayed. Diplomat (and Consul General) Tobias Lear made a blunder of negotiation that would not be equaled until U.S. President Barack Obama’s negotiations with Iran.

The treaty that Lear negotiated with Pasha Yusuf included payment of $60,000 for the captured Americans as well as returning the city of Derne to Tripolitan control. Had Lear held his nerve, and put his personal interests aside, he could have secured the release of the Americans held as slaves for no payment. And he most likely could have secured the remittance of several hundred thousand dollars of previous tribute payments.

It was a betrayal of the lowest order. Not only had Lear betrayed the efforts of Eaton and the U.S. Navy, but he also made the United States break its word with Hamet: the U.S. had promised to give the throne of Tripoli to him. Hamet and his brother, Pasha Yusuf, had been fighting over the throne for years and Yusuf held Hamet’s family hostage in Tripoli. For the sake of honor, the U.S. would later force the release of Hamet’s wife and children.

This would not be the last time the United States would break its word or make a grave mistake in the Middle East.

Final justice for the Barbary Pirate States would have to wait until after the War of 1812. Commodore Stephen Decatur would lead American forces to defeat the city-state of Algiers on June 18, 1815. On that same day, the Duke of Wellington and Gerhard von Blucher would defeat the French Revolutionaries at the Battle of Waterloo.

Some Inconvenient Truths

The lessons of the Barbary Pirate wars are highly applicable to our current situation in the region, and our culture as Americans overall. The facts about the enslavement of whites and the Barbary pirates are very inconvenient to the social justice warrior narrative of history (which is mostly written by socialist Howard Zinn). The words of Abdrahaman to Jefferson and Adams should be broadcast in a similar vein to the South Park episode “In the Closet” which lampooned Scientology: “This is what Muslims in the region actually believe.”

Politicians like Tobias Lear are trying to force a mass influx of Muslim immigration into Europe and the United States. Just as Lear gave up America’s victory at the Battle of Derne, so too do corrupt politicians wish to give up American interest when we are the remaining world superpower.

America does not need immigrants anymore. This is not the 1800s when we needed settlers to build homesteads out west. Immigrants need the United States, and the only way they should ever be allowed to enter is if they can provide some tangible benefit to America (and more votes for the Democrat Party is not a benefit).

Never forget our heroes of old. Do not let the social justice warriors write them out of history to serve their own political ends. Men such as William Eaton, Presley O’Bannon, and Stephen Decatur fought bravely to rescue white Christians from Muslim enslavement. Do not allow their good names to be sacrificed for the benefit of dishonest politicians and social justice warriors.

If we allow the SJWs to rewrite history, our infancy will be perpetual.

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Absolutely. The amount of propaganda in the west is staggering. I just read a headline today saying they have “evidence” that Putin planned both Malaysian plane disasters. I mean… fuck off, anyone with half a brain can work out it was a failed assassination attempt on Putin because the Malaysian plane and the Russian plane fly with the same colours, and Putin flew over the exact same flight path 30 minutes before (or after) the downed Malaysian plane.

And that’s just ONE headline in a sea of propaganda that I read today. Makes me almost want to start a “day-late” paper, deconstructing the lies told to us each day… only the amount of writers you would need to pull off an operation like that would be in the thousands.

Infowars is tainted by Alex Jones. He’s a deliberately place icon for “crazy conspiracy nut,” since he’s so unlikeable and OTT. He can sprout truth, then follow it up with a bout of crazy and most people just tune out. Fuck that cunt, 10 bucks says he’s a CIA puppet (how’s that for a conspiracy nut theory).

Firstly, I’m not saying I have the time or energy to do this, I’m just throwing that idea out there. BUT if I did it I would offer is a brief synopsis of the article in question, then a breakdown with links proving that it is false information, and a final summery of what their end goal brainwashing was trying to achieve. Bullet points would suffice (and would make it appeal to men more).

I would read that!
This week in the news we’ve had the “Adolf Hitler had a tiny deformed penis” story. His body was burnt immediately after death and yet they somehow just discovered great detail about soft tissue.
The whole story was “angry man has small penis”. Imagine the outrage a story about Queen Victoria’s deformed roast beef vagina would cause.

I wasn’t implying they weren’t there, I’m just saying in every story somebody somewhere is leaving something out or changing something in some aspect. It’s hard to learn from history when it’s not told in full honesty

“I spent 33 years and four months in active military service as a member of our country’s most agile military force — the Marine Corps. I served in all commissioned ranks from second lieutenant to Major General.

During that period I spent more of my time being a high-class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I suspected that I was just a part of a racket at the time. Now I am sure of it.

Like all members of the military profession I never had an original thought until I left the service. My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of the higher-ups. This is typical with everyone in the military service.

Thus I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street.

The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-12. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested.

During those years, I had, as the boys in the back room would say, a swell racket. I was rewarded with honours, medals and promotion.

Looking back on it, I feel I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three city districts. I operated on three continents”

JUST KEEP SINGING ALONG AND RISK YOUR LIFE TO MAKE DICK CHENEY AND THE BOYS RICHER!

>I honestly believe that everything taught in America about history is somehow distorted or out right altered.

True, except the greatest distortions are found right here on ROK.

The 1M-1.5M white slaves in Arabia are pretty much manufactured by one historian who admits he used effectively a random number generator to get the number.

“In the absence of detailed written records such as customs forms Prof Davis decided to extrapolate from the best records available indicating how many slaves were at a particular location at a single time and calculate how many new slaves were needed to replace those who died, escaped or were freed.
Prof Davis conceded his methodology was not ideal.”

The number of black slaves taken by whites in America was north of 10M and that number is well defined. Largest enforced slavery entirely decided by race in recent history. Let’s not create false equivalencies as much as it fits the “Damn the Mooslims” ethos we now have.

Consider the diffence:
Whites PURCHASED black slaves rounded up by other blscks.
Muslims rounded up whites to use and sell as slaves.
One is trading in what was a commodity, the other actively engaging in kidnapping.

Which is worse, a set of demented blacks who rounded up and sold men into slavery (and btw, this is exaggerated when you actually look at how the practice took place; they didn’t have 12M blacks lying around in slave-chains to be transferred to America; it was white pressure if you read actual history). The practice declined after the US exhausted its demand. Or a society that accepted them as property, treated them like animals, enshrined their right to do so in its legal structure, and did it entirely along racial lines. Those African governments were not facillitating the slave trade the same way the American government legitimized slave ownership here.

So, white people saw their own people being turned into slaves and fought back. Black people saw their people turned into slaves and decided to get in on the action.
You just lost this argument on that point alone. Any race that sells it’s own people out (in the case of blacks it was literal) deserves what it gets.
If your mother sold you for booze money, who is worse, your mother or the guy who bought you? You’re arguing the guy who bought you, but if your mother hadn’t been selling, then there’s be no buyer.

You are one of those people who actually believes that Native Americans actually sold wide swaths of land for trinkets or beads. You actually believe it because you don’t know history. I’m sure you look back and say “Well….if that’s what they wanted to do, then…” Yet if you were to bother, you would find that this was all done at gunpoint, usually after the Natives were subdued, and the contract just formalized with a legal document what had already been conquered by force. History’s a little more complicated than you think.

You are one of those people who, upon realizing he’s losing the debate, resorts to shifting the topic and attacking the person.
You are introducing the topic of native land rights and bring with that introduction no links to any evidence. Did you go to a SJW college where you’re able to decide facts on feelings?
Let me guess, Russia sold Alaska to America at gunpoint too.
We all agree slavery is bad, but we mustn’t judge people of yesteryear with the standards of today, lest we all end up bad people for some reason.
Imagine if it’s discovered that cocoa plants are actually intelligent sentient beings. Well, we’d all be judged as monsters for either eating chocolate, trading in it or growing it.
“But, we didn’t know” is as poor a defense as it is for any slavers back in those days.
Also, as one of the other posters has pointed out how heavily Jews were involved in trading and using of slaves, does that make you anti-Semitic for hating on slavers or a full SJW for pretending Jews are completely removed from the topic?

Have you ever noticed that the Nation of Islam doesn’t get nearly as much (((media))) exposure as, say, Al and Jesse? I’m not a big Farrakhan fan, and they were responsible for the Zebra killings (now memory-holed), but you have to give them credit for that “Secret Relationship” book. I don’t think the tribe is ever going to forgive them for that one.

i’d argue that the african slave trade of whites being less efficient doesn’t make it somehow “better” than the white slave trade of africans. if the saracens and barbary pirates could have captured and sold more europeans, they certainly would have.

also, i would imagine the numbers climb quite a bit when you factor in the turkish slave trade. all those old slave market paintings seem to be set in turkey.

The difference is that whites engaged in slavery solely for economical purposes, while Arabs/Muslims did it out of religious (blacks are a slave race), cultural (blacks are inferior) and economical (selling slaves brings in money) reasons.

Of course, slavery = slavery, but Arabs had different reasons to do it. That’s why you still see slavery in Muslim countries. It’s deeply rooted in their religion and culture.

What is your heritage boy ?
You seem to be after ONLY one thing … the white woman.
But if you ‘re disgusted so much by the women of your race, does that mean you hate your mother as well ?? Ah, the horror … How can you look at your mother again, knowing that you actually hate her guts for making you look the way you do ? … I feel for you.

You understand of course, that Roosh is promoting chastity for women, which means your only chance of ever getting laid is getting married at the age of 18, like all Jehoba’s witnesses do … THE MAN HAS A PLAN, RIGHT ? …

How terrible would you find it to be forced to mate only with women of your tribe ? Is the white woman all you ‘re living for ?

Not just “Arabia.” North Africa and of course the entire Ottoman Empire. “Slave” shares an etymological root with “Slav,” coming from the constant slave raids by the Ottoman Empire and associated Muslim states into the Ukraine, the Balkans, Russia, Poland, etc. Turkish, Arab, and North African Muslim society was based on slavery to a far greater degree than any white Christian culture. The Arab slave trade began in the middle of the seventh century and survives today in Mauritania and Sudan. At the Battle of Lepanto alone, 12,000 white Christian galley slaves were freed from Turkish slavery by the victorious forces of Christendom. Let’s not forget that, after the North African Moors invaded Spain, the system there enslaved white Christians for 700 years.

The slave trade between the Crimean Khanate and the Ottoman Empire lasted for hundreds of years, until the Russians conquered Crimea. The Crimean Tatars frequently mounted raids into the Danubian principalities, Poland-Lithuania, and Muscovy, using this as the basis for a massive slave trade with the Ottoman Empire and the Middle East, exporting about 2 million slaves from Russia and Poland-Lithuania, ending in the 1700s. Of course, the Muslims enslaved far more Africans than Europeans did, but that’s another post.

This can be seen in the modern Arab world as well. Slavery was banned in the Muslim world entirely due to Western pressure– there were no anti-slavery movements within those societies. Slavery was formally prohibited in Saudi Arabia in 1969; in Yemen and Oman in 1970, though of course it continues on an unofficial basis.

“The number of black slaves in taken by whites in America was north of 10 million.” This appears to be either a deliberate distortion, or someone mindlessly parroting what they learned in white guilt class. 400,000 is the correct figure for America; 10 million is the AMERICAS– most slaves went to South America, Central America, and the Caribbean. Only 4% of the total came to the US. There are more blacks in the US now than in all of Latin America and the Caribbean not because of the size of the founding population, but because of the worse conditions and far higher mortality rate in the rest of the Americas, where slaves mostly died, while they survived and reproduced in the US

The reason why 400,000 black slaves in what became the US expanded into a population > 50 million now is that the conditions of their slavery were more tolerable than that of most slaves throughout history, and certainly better than the white Christian slaves of the Arabs, Turks, and North Africans, who were often castrated, and typically worked to death as galley slaves or in similar positions and left no descendants (the males, of course– the females were typically taken as sex slaves). Most of the slaves, black and white, who worked the cane fields of the Caribbean and Latin America didn’t last more than a couple of years. They died without leaving descendants. Same for the mines in Central and South America.

TL; DR: Slavery has been a near-universal feature of human societies in the past, especially Arab and Muslim ones. White Europeans didn’t start slavery; they abolished it. The only reason the international slave trade ended in the 1900s was the British anti-slavery movement, backed by the Royal Navy. You can take your “white guilt” and “Islamophobia” propaganda and shove it where the sun don’t shine.

When I learned the truth about Joe McCarthy, I realized that the truth is so different from what I was told in school that I can’t trust anything that I learned in school. I don’t know anything about history not despite a public school education, but BECAUSE of a public school education.

WOW!!! Your comment made me research “real history of WW2” My eyes have been opened thank you for that. So far I have The Bad War: The Truth NEVER Taught About World War II by M.S. King on my wish list.

1. Name someone falsely accused by McCarthy.
2. Read “Blacklisted by History”
3. For an example of an actual witch hunt, look up “Great Sedition Trial of 1944.” Didn’t learn about that one in school, did you?

“I was told.” That’s the problem right there. We get told a lot of things that aren’t true. If you rely on what you learned in school, or saw on TV, or in the movies, then you have a warped perspective. Not your fault, but you should be aware of it.

“Witch hunt” means using legal or quasi-legal methods to hunt down innocent people, usually for motives other than the stated ones. McCarthy did not accuse a single innocent person, yet is held up as an example of a vicious, horrible witch hunt. In a real witch hunt, like the Great Sedition Trial of 1944, every person on trial was falsely accused. Yet it’s been memory-holed.

McCarthy had good sources at the FBI, who had broken the code the KGB was using, exposing a number of Communist Soviet agents in the US. This was confirmed when the Venona transcripts were declassified in the early 90s; also confirmed by Soviet Archives after the fall of Communism. This failed to get much publicity. Almost like the media weren’t interested in publicizing it. McCarthy had no sources for info on Soviet military intelligence (GRU) spies, so he underestimated the problem considerably. Don’t believe everything you see on TV.

I was told but never quite believed it entirely. I mean, Google is always a finger taps away for me to research it and I did. There is no doubt that a few innocent were raked in with the rest of the “red leaves” and had their carries broken bit the important bit is that was a small price to pay for freedom.

Oh? As I said before, name an innocent who was “raked in” and had his career broken. The whole standard narrative is BS. McCarthy got too close to exposing people that weren’t supposed to be exposed, so they shut it down.

Sadly though this article also distorts history. The French Revolution was an SJW revolution? That’s daft.

I have never read anywhere that the Barbary Pirates were anything less than despicable. Not only that, we all recognize that slavery anywhere at any time is an appalling crime but we must recognize that while the US was fighting the Barbary Pirates they also had slavery continuing at home.

Burke was a Whig, a constitutional monarchist and statist – a royalist of his times who cleaved to the idea of natural law and monarchy as part of it, who wrongly claimed there were no sovereign, inherent rights of (common) man. This is understood today to be true. Locke was correct in this matter and remains correct to this day.

Sorry, but Locke and Paine were where the enlightenment went wrong. Your assertions are meaningless. The French Revolution prefigured the horrors of Communism. It was the first real “It’s the year zero, throw away all of traditional society and try impose our utopian vision in defiance of human nature, natural law, and regardless of the human cost” modern revolution. The Terror, the massacres in the Vendee, all of the other atrocities of the Revolution, and the eventual rise of a dictator were not some aberration, but the inevitable course that these movements follow.

Disagreed. Locke was a visionary and the US Constitution, and a new and better form of representative democracy arose from those ideals. France needed to be rid of it’s ruinous absolute monarchy and the vile incest between church and state, this was the prime reason for revolution, and they are better for it still. Soviet revolution, communism, arose in a completely different time, carried out in a completely different, modern – industrial mindset. The two are but thinly related.

Cuck? I take it you are referring to ‘cuckservative’ are you yank? Oh dear, you appear to have left your lane, crashed and then burned in the undergrowth. The rest of the world awaits your next revolution Amerika, it’s going to be a fun-fest, but not for you.

Well the original principles were good, you have some of the first SJW buzzwords such as “equality”.
I personal support it until the moment when the king was executed and the full terror of the totalitarian regime came out.

As Ayn Rand said, the greatest evils have only happened as a result of people trying to do good or acting for the good of the people (Nazism, Communism, the Reign of Terror in the French Revolution)

Yes but we also have to consider what it replaced (Absolute Monarchy). I won’t say the French Revolution was bloody (few revolutions are not) but it was one further step upon the path of true liberty. In fact it was born out of the principles of liberty.

I am finding your comments difficult to reconcile with reality. Sir, The French revolution was the first time avowed atheists took control and it was, as always with atheists, wonderful slogans and a bloodbath in reality. People are glad to have tyranny after every Atheist revolution. Even Islam does not compare to atheism in mass destruction, though it comes in a solid terrorist second.

The fact that you are ignorant about something does not make this thing false…:

“The Black American expert on the slave trade, Dr. Tony Martin, has endorsed the book, as he has made it assigned reading in his courses. I have investigated at least some of the sources and they do indeed check out.
In the book’s introduction we read:
“Deep within the recesses of the Jewish historical record is the irrefutable evidence that the most prominent of the Jewish pilgrim fathers used kidnapped Black Africans disproportionately more than any other ethnic or religious group in New World history and participated in every aspect of the international slave trade.”

“An incredible documentary that is full of direct quotes from celebrated Jewish historians who have boasted of two thousand years of Jewish domination of the slave trade, including the horrific trade in slaves from Africa to the Americas. A video that will forever change your views of the real masters of the slave trade.”

“hundreds of thousands of White slaves who were worked to death in this country from the early l7th century onward.

Up to one-half of all the arrivals in the American colonies were Whites slaves and they were America’s first slaves. These Whites were slaves for life, long before Blacks ever were. This slavery was even hereditary. White children born to White slaves were enslaved too.

Whites were auctioned on the block with children sold and separated from their parents and wives sold and separated from their husbands. Free Black property owners strutted the streets of northern and southern American cities while White slaves were worked to death in the sugar mills of Barbados and Jamaica and the plantations of Virginia.

The Establishment has created the misnomer of “indentured servitude” to explain away and minimize the fact of White slavery. But bound Whites in early America called themselves slaves. Nine-tenths of the White slavery in America was conducted without indentures of any kind but according to the so-called “custom of the country,” as it was known, which was lifetime slavery ”

Hey, I never said it was false, was just asking for data. Unfortunately a lot of historical information about those topics tends to be exaggerated and forged, so I was curious. Will look into the info you gave.

Yea I had recently stumbled across that info the other week and how only 5% of white Americans actually owned slaves while upwards of 40% of the fake Jews had slaves but us southerners are made out to have all had slaves. Even in Steven spielbergs amistad movie he painted it as a white Christian ordeal when really it was run and sold by the fake Jews, which all goes back to my original comment, gotta be a skeptic of everything these days

Since Needham there is a revisionist in science, school books are full of non white science and math and also women. A well known example is Ada Lovelace who is regarded as the first programmer,despite when Charles Babbage built the Analytical Machine then made several programmes to use for first time it. Another is Diophantine mathematician who invented algebra.
What this people pretend is absurd, show us how advanced civilisations are everywhere but there is no clue of them.

You mean “outright”? Not meaning to be pedantic but at first I thought you meant the “right” had altered history.

You are entirely correct though. Most of what you learn about history in school or through the media is bullshit. Case in point: the Civil War was not about slavery. Most people have swallowed that one though hook, line and sinker.

It’s not just the SJW’s who need a serious history lesson, a whole lot of Americans need one too!

There is such easy access now to the millions of pages which were written at the time, yet many young men today would rather follow the rantings of some lazy blogger on Huffpo, or the other commie rags instead of developing their mind. It’s okay to chase skirts, be lifting, or making bank, but actual knowledge is real power!

The simple fact of the matter is that Europeans DISCOVERED the slave trade that the Africans, the Arabs, and all the rest had used for centuries, and just adopted it as a means to build America in the early days. Blacks today whine endlessly about how they are owed reparations for something they never experienced, what they never endured, and have no real understanding of.

The Mexicans, Arabs, Africans, and more all want to come here to America, or other European nations yet their countries are thousands of years old, and then they cry about how much they deserve, how the host nation needs to pay them back, or that the house rules need to change to suit them because “diversity” is so wonderful? It’s odd how those countries are NOT taking in millions, or expected to be multicultural and have all their rules and customs changed.

Europeans didn’t invent it, we just bet blamed for it, and the problem is far to many men have lost their thirst for knowledge., they no longer seek wisdom, and instead salivate over some tramp, just to have a high notch count.

Do you know any other culture as obsessed with racism, sexism and discrimination outside of White European cultures? Because I don’t. Even today, Arabs still practice slavery in North Africa. All cultures practiced slavery. Only one culture put an end to it and yes, it is that simple.

The equivalent would be if China came here, carted 12M white people back to Beijing, and had them owned by Chinese familiies, shoveling coal all day. And the Chinese government wrote into law this was perfectly fine.

If you do not understand evolution, you should refrain from presenting us with your brain farts.
Whatever happens is evolution, therefore desired, therefore good.
If it happens IT IS FINE. The Chinese government making a low for it would be fine as well.

Don’t worry my friend, the Mongolian turkic tribes have enslaved enough central and eastern Europeans so the whites do know about other races and slave trading first hand. It rwcoiled.right in theor genetic makeuo when the Russians went after their women, land and horses. There are big cities in Asia with vast white majority. The blacks wee the most popular of slaves in the Americas but if we compare the number of slaves taken to the population they were taken from then it might seem a big uninteresting for you.

“LMFAO! You can’t possibly believe that!” isn’t an argument. Do you have some data that contradicts it? If so, I’d like to see it. Otherwise, I have the strong suspicion that you can’t tolerate facts which contradict your emotional beliefs.

Islamic cultures owned slaves for far longer, in far greater numbers and with far more brutality. Most slaves who ended up in the Americas could marry and have families. Whereas the vast majority of male slaves, destined for the Middle East, were castrated (i.e. dick and balls) and the children born to the women were killed at birth.﻿ Even today, Arabs still view Blacks as subhuman. This is also in recent history but you were unaware of it, so in your mind it’s nonequivalent.

I find it interesting you are comparing us with a culture everyone here detests- Muslim Arab culture. Imagine if people were attacking you and you said “Well, look at Oscar the molestor over there; I’m better than him!”. Comparing favorably to Arab culture is really not saying much. I thought we had higher standards. Look at India, China – countries we’ll actually be competing against. They didn’t enslave by race in recent history like we did. Compared to civilizations that have more in common with us; we did an awful job. Casting about for what the worst societies on earth also did- not sure that changes anything.

Your line of reasoning is what’s called an overwhelming exception fallacy. Still, even by your criteria (i.e. RECENT history) you’re still wrong, as the Arabs enslaved people from 650 until the 1960s and slavery is still practiced today in Northern Africa. Still, White European culture is the only culture to end slavery.

No one hear “detests” them, we just honestly evaluate their strengths and weaknesses. Certainly they have a healthier, less decadent culture than ours in a lot of ways– best illustrated by the fact that their response to some faggot trying to guilt them over their forefathers’ alleged misdeeds would likely be puzzlement and laughter.

There also being Irish slaves simultaneously kind of drives a whole in your argument , native Americans also got thrown into the mix .nobody at the time seemed to care about selling their brothers to make a buck. I would also like to point out that throughout history it has been a trait of oppressed people to revolt . Greek slaves did it, Roman slaves , Muslim slaves ,and so on . I imagine the average situation would have been about 12-24 slaves to a family of about 5 . These plantations are out in the middle of nowhere . The slaves can get their hands on farm equipment and they outnumbered their captures by at least 2-1 . In some instances they didn’t even sleep in separate quarters …but through all that you barley hear of any uprisings hmm. Lack of education? No, the common Greek or Roman slave couldn’t read or write either . Smaller numbers ? Of their were 10 million of them then no. Slavery is wrong but if the situation was so deplorable that you feel the need to bring it up 150 years after the fact then why not revolt like everyone else did ? A mass revolt during the civil war would have crippled the south and due to most of the men being on the front lines their was nothing but women and young children…seemed liked the perfect time..

Of the 10M enslaved, 500K came to the US. The rest went to South America and the various “Indies” of the British, Dutch, French, as well as the Spanish Empire. In other words, 9.5M of your 10M weren’t “used” by America. Take your white guilt BS back to campus, boy.

This is the first time you used the phrase “The Americas” instead of America (which would be referring to the US)

In your previous comments you said this:

“America’s use of over 10M black slaves…”
“The practice declined after the US exhausted its demand”
“The number of black slaves taken by whites in America was north of 10M”

Until IvyMike corrected you and informed you that the number sent to the US was 500 thousand not 10-12 million you seemed to refer to the black slaves as being sent to the United States, hence why you never said “The Americas” which would include all of North and South America.

And then when this is brought to your attention you quickly pivot and make it seem like you knew all along. Telling him he is “diluting the white guilt”

You are one of two things:

An outright white knight to “minorities”
Or a beta male who thinks he is taking the red pill but until last week spent 10-12 hours a week on Jezebel and Huffington Post.

I first saw you in the massive comment war on Roosh’s article about the AltRight where you again were defending non white races and attacking the National Socialists. I won’t say I agreed with them but I found their arguments to appear vastly more intelligent and articulate than yours (As well as several other RTK faithful). I was embarrassed at the immature way you threw out memes and millennial phrases to make your points. But with this article it is clear what you are so I can be more at peace knowing that you are not one of us.

I am certainly not one of you. I’m so glad you caught me with your legalistic hair-splitting. Good, throw your lot in with them. Look forward to see you raging in fury 10 years from now on Stomfront, still wondering “who let in the muds?” and “we need to storm the jews if someone could only tell us which one is in charge”.

I wish I could have had a childhood at school where I got to learn about American and European history without it being poisoned by liberal race-baiters. Only after I graduated did I read more history and realize that we have a rich cultural heritage.

My wife went to a rich suburban Californian school. Her American history classes were all about Native Americans. She knows more about making bread from acorns and stuff than the founding of the nation. Her friend said that schools have to teach Howard Zinn to offset the conservative background they were raised in. Except there is ZERO conservative background where they were raised. They’re just indoctrinated liberals with hippie parents. I suppose their grandparents may have said something conservative once or twice?

If it isn’t Howard Zinn than it is a book that is preaching the same slant. My US History book in college changed editions the year I took the class. The previous edition had a patriot with a drum on the cover. The new edition is split into 2 parts continuing through 2008. The cover of the first volume is a romantic painting of Native Americans hunting buffalo (A pretty cool picture but still trying to push a narrative: This is what America was before the white man came and ruined it [Irony is that Buffalo were being hunted to extinction]). The second volume’s cover? A photograph of Barack Obama giving a speech.

Interesting. The other question is, are people like Howard Zinn just deluded whites of European ancestry who hate their own people, or do they see themselves as part of a different people whose interests diverge from those of European Americans, and are motivated to destroy them? Let’s see:

Wikipedia: “Zinn was born to a Jewish immigrant family in Brooklyn on August 24, 1922.”

islam is evil. I don’t care what any muslim anywhere on planet Earth has to say about their religion, I only care about muhammed’s interpretation of islam. His is the only interpretation that counts. No muslim alive today will ever outrank muhammed. If muhammed did it, said it, commanded it, or allowed it, then it is islam. I’ve read the quran, the hadith (traditions of muhammed), and the sira (biography of muhammed), and I’ve come away with the following conclusion: muhammed was an asshole.

What if you allowed large numbers of people into your country, but your women gave birth to 8 children each … You wouldn’t be in trouble.

Even if you throw out all muslims, the birth rates of the white race are devastating. THIS IS THE REAL problem that needs to be addressed. How many 30 year olds with no children do you know ? We need to make it a purpose to make our women have 3 kids minimum.

There is nothing wrong with some natural depopulation, especially with the current overcrowding, job automation, etc.

The only reason it’s considered a bad thing is because the market will shrink slightly and multinational corps won’t meet their quarterly profit projections.

The problem is that we let millions and millions of those third-world muds into our countries and spend billions of our own dollars on these people in foreign aid, in some misguided attempt to change things, instead of just taking care of our own and letting them take care of themselves (or letting nature take care of them if they are not able).

Then there would be a bunch of fat pigs with blown out axe wounds and a small, fanatical and evil group of terrorists living around your 8 kids which, btw, you can’t afford so will be more apt to buy into the muzzie bs

But if we stop immigration, at least we have time to answer that question. Look at Japan. They have lower birth rates than ours, yet they respond with increasing automation, and still refuse to allow significant immigration, despite constant pressure from the usual suspects. So what if their population drops by 50%? The price of housing and other costs of living will drop, and the culture can recover. Destroy the demographic basis of Western society, and we’re done. Can Brazil ever turn into something like Iceland? Or Sweden 40 years ago? Or Britain 100 years ago? I don’t think so.

Yeah, but the larger point is that, even in the absence of Islam, letting millions of Arabs and North Africans from a violent, tribal, clannish population that has a median IQ in the 80s, and high levels of consanguineous marriage, is destructive to high-trust white European societies. Islam or not, they’re not us. They have their own countries. I don’t hate them; I just don’t want them here.

Our immigration system is screwed up. I know two educated, intelligent Czechoslovaks (one from each nation) who are here on journalism visas, speak fluent English, and are diehard anti-communists. Yet when I asked them how easy it would be for them to become citizens, they said very difficult unless they got married, which one of them is doing.

Meanwhile the liberals are asking for people of dubious quality to come here, be given free things, and be considered the same as people who actually grew up here.

And what if there were 300.000.000 Czechoslovakians (I presume you do not accept the division of that State into the Czech Republic and Slovakia) and 100.000.000 of them where “QUALITY” individuals, and they all wanted to come to the US. Would you accept that ? …
How long would it be before those people TOOK OVER the US ? …
And how would you react if 100.000.000 hotties (By hotties I mean that even if they were Asian or African, they would have white aesthetics) were to migrate to the US ? Would you accept that ? I think you would …
And how would you feel if lets say ONLY 100.000 hot model looking intelligent men were to come to your country. Would you accept that ? I don’t think you would. You KNOW that ONLY 100.000 of those Alphas would slay 100 females each …

So you see my friend, my superior intelligence, has understood the true nature of the problem. When we talk about undesired immigrants, we talk about :
1.non hot female immigrants
2.men that would pose a threat to our sexual endeavors.
3.populations that could potential take over the country

I don’t think your point really conflicts with his. Yes, we should drastically limit immigration, but if we are going to allow some, why would we chose Somalians and mestizos over educated white Europeans?

To this day, the jews like to hunt down “nazis” and arrest them for being complicit with the holocaust. And the excuse that they had to go along with it out of fear or that they didn’t know any better cannot be used. They’re arresting 90 year olds.

Leftist laws were installed in the 1960s to discriminate against white christian males which are crimes against humanity. HR cunts working at corporations gladly go along with those laws and give away jobs and higher salaries to those that are female or non-white males. I see it all the time. This can damage a man in many different ways, even preventing him from getting married and having children since his salary potential was lowered or denied a job in favor of a female. Or a guy could have had one extra child on this earth, or retired earlier. Preventing a future birth is genocide. HR cunts are complicit in crimes against humanity by implementing affirmative action and EEO policies. Once the system falls, all HR cunts should be hunted down, arrested, and tried for crimes against humanity. And the HR cunts cannot use the excuse that they didn’t know any better or “they were just going along with it out of fear”.

The system WILL FALL. It is mathematically impossible for it to go on forever. And when it does, even if it’s tomorrow or 20 years from now, any HR cunt or former HR cunt that is still alive, will be hunted down and arrested. Affirmative action and EEO laws are fascist laws and wrong. They are crimes against western christian civilization. HR cunts are no different than nazi guards “just going along with orders”. If I’m still around after the system falls, I will do all I can to push through a directive to arrest every female that has worked in a human resource department post 1965.

Cartels. This is why we don’t see massive failure of industry beholden of these HR policies. They all have quotas reported to their large customers and the government. Plus, they cross-feed each other’s cartels: buying health insurance, requiring college degrees, etc. etc. Cartels are suppose to be illegal, but they are not.

Yeah good point, HR cunts must be added to the list, right along side the Rotherham police department, Child protective service, David Cameron, Angela Merkel, everyone associated with the EU, and (((((Barbara Spectre)))))

I believe the author is missing a very important consideration in why the American government agreed to ransom demands. Impressment was a very real threat to the US at the hands of the Royal Navy. I also disagree with the Iran insertions and comparison. I am including a link for those who wish to understand more…

That first line of the Marines’ Hymn commemorates the Battles of Chapultapec and Derne.

The Arab army the Marines led across the desert came close to mutiny, and the Marines literally stood back to back threatening violence to bring them in line and finish the march to Derne.

The Mameluke swords still worn by Marine Corps officers on their dress uniforms are replicas of the one Hamet gave to Liuetenant O’Bannon as a gesture of respect for the Marines’ heroism during the battle.

The other battle in the Hymn is also reflected in the uniform. The red “blood stripe” Marine NCOs and Officers wear on their blue dress trousers commemorates the battle of Chapultapec, where Marines led the charge up the hill (with Army troops alongside) to take the fortification. Ninety percent of the officers and NCO’s were killed. Having been to Chapultapec, I am glad I did not make the charge, as it would seem suicidal.

Excellent. Thanks for this, Mr. Sommerset. My father is a retired history teacher (we’re in Canada, Sicilian descent), and it has become painfully lamentable how little he seems to fear the expansion of islam in the West. Canadian liberal indoctrination – I’m “right wing scary” when I warn of the impending clash of civilizations. He can harmonize on the greatness of the Roman Empire, but even he is not well versed on the subject of the rotten arab/islam retarding of European life since the vile birth of the cult of evil.

The mass media brainwashing is powerful indeed. We are living history. It’s all around us.

Readers, if I may be so bold, check Bill Warner, a great American patriot. The uncomfortable, humiliating history that we seem doomed to relive if we don’t wake up.

If Roosh is advocating keeping women chaste till marriage, and for men to marry a woman and have a big family with her, HOW is that different from Islam ?
(THINK ABOUT THIS : If all women are to remain chaste, and if there is ONE woman per man, that would mean that EVERY man and every woman are to have sex ONLY with their husband, for the entirety of their live)

In other words your decadent, servile, bone-picking, nihilistic circle jerk masquerading as hard-as-fuck alpha masculinity facade is coming to an end. In order to give way to some type of virile patriarchy.

THINK HARD on this one buddy …
After you ‘ve forced all women to be chaste
After you ‘ve taken them away from the workplaces
After you ‘ve put them in the house …
HOW will your society be different from the Islamic one ?

The usual problem is going too far. This culture would be ok, if it hadn’t gone too far.

There is ONLY one question you need to answer with honesty :
Would you be willing to NEVER watch pornography again, or pictures or movies of other women than your wife and spend your life with only one woman (your wife), which of course you must find SOON (lets say at the age of 20) if you don’t want to get crazy from celibacy ?

So how do you feel about Roosh and his obviously decadent lifestyle ?
If you say something like “he’s a good man now, he wants to have a family now”, may I suggest you say the same thing about a woman after she ‘s had 30 partners. Why not.

Do you think that Roosh has stopped fucking women ?? He is still living the decadent lifestyle. He will NOT miss the chance to fuck a virgin. …
What do you have to say now ?

Crazy people on all sides.
You probably deserve each other.
I say you better focus simply on stopping mass immigration and the proliferation of foreign populations in a country. That is logical.

All that other stuff you ‘re talking about is a one way road to death. In a society of the best, what stops the society from constantly getting rid of the ones who are at the bottom ? The fact that it will be a “National-socialistic” society ? You will find that after this system is established, they will move on to the next stage, which will be to CONSTANTLY eliminate THEIR OWN PEOPLE who do not keep up. It won’t be long before NOONE will be deemed worthy.

The chastity question notwithstanding, there are core differences between the belief systems of islam and those of any other way of life – whether we call it religion, culture, mores, behavior, whatever.
Freedom of choice, manifested in all aspects of modern life – freedom to believe or disbelieve, freedom to marry outside of one’s religion, freedom to leave the faith without fear of apostasy, and yes, freedom for woman to dress provocatively (I may not like or respect it, but I have no right to molest another person’s body) without being killed or raped.
Islam vs. my culture, that I support and will fight for? Big difference.

White male patriarchy is the root of whatever the fuck it wants to be.
How about that for a statement ?
I find your lack of ability to be a badass disturbing …
You realize of course, that you are following a website, whose owner promotes the removal of choice from women. Are you up for it, or are you gonna chicken out, cause it’s “a bit evil to try to control people” ? OR, could it be that women are not actual people, so it’s ok if you control their actions ?
Ah, the cognitive dissonance huh ?

False. Get your facts straight. Actually often we advocate for limiting a woman’s choices and decisions regarding substantially important things. And for good reason, I might add.

If I’m going to be expected to bear the cost & ultimate responsibility for a woman’s life/well-being/whatever I’m sure as hell not going to let her blow it by getting emotionally upset and making a poor decision.

Excerpts from Ibn Warraq “Why the west is best”. Highly recommended book.

ABOUT BLACK ON BLACK SLAVERY

«John Thornton of Boston University, a leading historian of slavery, likewise dispels a number of myths about the slave trade in his book Africa and Africans in the Making of the Atlantic World, 1400–1680. Thornton argues that Africans, far from being passive, were firmly in control of their continent’s destiny and their interactions with Europeans. They were active participants in trade with Europe, including the slave trade. “Europeans did not possess the military power to force Africans to participate in any type of trade in which their leaders did not wish to engage. Therefore all African trade with the Atlantic, including the slave trade, had to be voluntary,” Thornton explains.9 Europeans did not conquer and pillage Africa. Instead, they engaged in a peaceful, well-regulated trade, tapping into an existing slave market.

Thornton notes that slavery had a long history in African societies, where “relatively large numbers of people were likely to be slaves at any one time.”10 These societies were inegalitarian, and slavery was deeply rooted in their legal and institutional structures. Since there was no private ownership of land, African entrepreneurs bought slaves as “the only form of private, revenue-producing property recognized in African law.”11 Slaves were the major form of private investment and a sign of wealth and social prestige. Many worked in agriculture or in mines; some performed administrative duties or military service. Thus, economic growth in Africa was closely tied to slavery.

Africans began exporting slaves as soon as they discovered there was an outside market for them. Thornton notes that the rapid growth of Congo’s slave trade with Europeans “had to draw on a well-established and developed system of slavery, slave marketing, and slave delivery that pre-existed any European contact.” Such a system was in place because “the capture, purchase, transport, and sale of slaves was a regular feature of African society.” This reality, Thorton argues, was “as much responsible as any external force for the development of the Atlantic slave trade.”12 African leaders were not forced into participating in the slave trade. The African slavers had total control of the entire operation from the moment of capture to the delivery of the slaves to European ships.»

ABOUT ARAB SLAVE TRADE

«Olivier Pétré-Grenouilleau, a specialist on the history of slavery, concludes that between the seventh century and the 1920s, Arab merchants handled more than seventeen million black slaves, of which more than one and a half million died en route, many across the Sahara.17 In the nineteenth century alone, over a million slaves were exported from eastern ports of Africa to Yemen, Saudi Arabia, and the Persian Gulf; millions more were transported around the African interior and along the eastern coast.18 A large number of slaves were used in East Africa itself, on clove plantations in Zanzibar or on plantations growing cereals, oilseeds, sugar, and cotton. Others were set to work digging up gum copal or collecting orchilla lichens, which were used for making dyes.19 Many of the slaves transported across the Red Sea and the Gulf of Aden were eventually sent to Anatolia, Iran, northern India, or back to Egypt. Eunuchs were especially prized by wealthy Turkish and Iranian families.20

Jan Hogendorn has documented the plight of the young black males who were captured to be sold as eunuchs, in what has been called “the hideous trade.” Slave eunuchs, mainly from sub-Saharan Africa, were in demand primarily to supervise the harems of wealthy men in the Muslim Mediterranean region, since they “could be trusted with large numbers of nubile women.”21 They were usually castrated in boyhood, when they had the best chance of surviving the very risky operation, usually a total removal of the testicles and penis. The first danger was hemorrhaging, which could cause a very quick death. Another danger was the high risk of infection in tropical climes, which could result in death within a few days. Death rates could reach 90 percent or even higher. This mortality rate made the surviving eunuch slaves especially valuable: “Turkish merchants are said to have been willing to pay 250 to 300 (Maria Theresa) dollars each for eunuchs in Borno (north-east Nigeria) at a time when the local price of young male slaves does not seem to have exceeded about 20 dollars.”22 Although the British ended the use of eunuchs in Egypt and India, the demand persisted in Iran. Eunuchs were still being exported from East Africa in the early twentieth century.23»

ABOUT ABOLITIONISM

«The abolition of slavery was very much a Western initiative. It was Europe that “first decided to set the slaves free: at home, then in the colonies, and finally in all the world,” as Bernard Lewis said.32 Abolitionism was a concept that did not resonate well either in black Africa, where slavery was not opposed in principle, or in the Islamic world, where it was believed to be supported by religion.33

In black Africa, slavery was a mainstay of local economies. Thus, some African chiefs reacted with disbelief to news that trafficking in slaves would be illegal as of May 1, 1807, and the announcement led to riots on the Gold Coast. The slave trade had shaped and supported too many African societies for it to be ended without resistance. The king of Bonny told an English captain, “We think that this trade must go on. That is the verdict of our oracle and the priests. They say that your country, however great, can never stop a trade ordained by God himself.”34 As late as 1840, the king of Dahomey said that he dealt in about nine thousand slaves each year, selling three thousand himself and giving the others to his troops to sell. The king received a sizable income from these transactions and taxes on exports. He was willing to do anything the British government asked of him “except to give up the slave trade,” for which nothing else was considered an adequate substitute. “The slave trade has been the ruling principle of my people,” he said. “It is the source of their glory and wealth. Their songs celebrate their victories and the mother lulls the child to sleep with notes of triumph over an enemy reduced to slavery. Can I, by signing . . . a treaty, change the sentiments of a whole people?”35

The abolitionist movement was resisted for a longer time in the Islamic world, in large part because slavery is accepted in the Koran. In 1872, Sir Bartle Frere was sent by the British foreign office to Zanzibar to negotiate a treaty with the sultan, Barghash bin Said, to end the slave traffic. Barghash first insisted that abolishing slavery would ruin Zanzibar’s agriculture and that slavery was approved in Islamic law. Eventually, in 1873, he signed a treaty agreeing to close all public slave markets and prohibit the transport of slaves over water.36

In the Ottoman Empire, slavery was taken for granted: “Accepted by custom, perpetuated by tradition and sanctioned by religion,” as Ehud R. Toledano put it. Abolitionism was considered a foreign idea, barely understood and vigorously resisted.37 The Turkish historian Y. H. Erdem confirmed that no antislavery movement ever emerged from Ottoman society; there were no abolitionist tracts to spotlight the suffering of slaves or bring the subject to wide attention. In modern Turkey, the abolition of slavery is not a part of the educational curriculum.38

“The anti-slavery measures of European colonial powers were generally viewed by Muslims not only as a threat to their very livelihood but also as an affront to their religion,” said John Azumah, a Ghanaian with a doctorate in “Islam and Slavery” from the University of Birmingham. “Muslims therefore resisted all abolition efforts and chattel slavery persists in Muslim countries today.”39»

And what if it were 100% perpetrated by Whites ? SO WHAT ?
Why are you unable to be a badass ? I find your lack of badassery disturbing. Are you a white man or not ?
If you do not accept your desires unapologetically, you are no different from the liberals … You ‘re just as weak as they are, only you want to keep on existing, while they want to disappear.

This is a bogus number from a discredited historian. His methodology was the equivalent of guessing. But who cares, f*ck the Muslims; they are evil, let’s just make up stuff about them.

“Prof Davis’s unorthodox methodology split historians over whether his estimates were plausible but they welcomed any attempt to fill a gap in the little-known story of Africans subjugating Europeans.”

In the absence of detailed written records such as customs forms Prof Davis decided to extrapolate from the best records available indicating how many slaves were at a particular location at a single time and calculate how many new slaves were needed to replace those who died, escaped or were freed.

To keep the slave population stable, around one quarter had to be replaced each year, which for the period 1580 to 1680 meant around 8,500 new slaves per annum, totalling 850,000.

It’s quite obvious this arcterex721 person is :
1.non white
2.only interested in fucking as many white women, who will make the mistake of giving him a chance

Can you imagine how much he must hate his own mother, for making him someone who has to “steal” sex away from a white girl ? Can you imagine how he must hate her, for making him someone who can never ever be truly loved by a normal white girl ?

Ah the horror … And now that Roosh is going “pro-marriage” you ‘re gonna have to find one and ONLY one white girl to marry. It ‘s gonna get tough buddy …

It wasn’t just “Arabs.” It was North Africa and of course the entire Ottoman Empire. “Slave” shares an etymological root with “Slav,” coming from the constant slave raids by the Ottoman Empire and associated Muslim states into the Ukraine, the Balkans, Russia, Poland, etc. Turkish, Arab, and North African Muslim society was based on slavery to a far greater degree than any white Christian culture. The Arab slave trade began in the middle of the seventh century and survives today in Mauritania and Sudan. At the Battle of Lepanto alone, 12,000 white Christian galley slaves were freed from Turkish slavery by the victorious forces of Christendom. Let’s not forget that, after the North African Moors invaded Spain, the system there enslaved white Christians for 700 years.

The slave trade between the Crimean Khanate and the Ottoman Empire lasted for hundreds of years, until the Russians conquered Crimea. The Crimean Tatars frequently mounted raids into the Danubian principalities, Poland-Lithuania, and Muscovy, using this as the basis for a massive slave trade with the Ottoman Empire and the Middle East, exporting about 2 million slaves from Russia and Poland-Lithuania, ending in the 1700s. Of course, the Muslims enslaved far more Africans than Europeans did, but that’s another post.

This can be seen in the modern Arab world as well. Slavery was banned in the Muslim world entirely due to Western pressure– there were no anti-slavery movements within those societies. Slavery was formally prohibited in Saudi Arabia in 1969; in Yemen and Oman in 1970, though of course it continues on an unofficial basis.

“The number of black slaves in taken by whites in America was north of 10 million.” This appears to be either a deliberate distortion, or someone mindlessly parroting what they learned in white guilt class. 400,000 is the correct figure for America; 10 million is the AMERICAS– most slaves went to South America, Central America, and the Caribbean. Only 4% of the total came to the US. There are more blacks in the US now than in all of Latin America and the Caribbean not because of the size of the founding population, but because of the worse conditions and far higher mortality rate in the rest of the Americas, where slaves mostly died, while they survived and reproduced in the US

The reason why 400,000 black slaves in what became the US expanded into a population > 50 million now is that the conditions of their slavery were more tolerable than that of most slaves throughout history, and certainly better than the white Christian slaves of the Arabs, Turks, and North Africans, who were often castrated, and typically worked to death as galley slaves or in similar positions and left no descendants (the males, of course– the females were typically taken as sex slaves). Most of the slaves, black and white, who worked the cane fields of the Caribbean and Latin America didn’t last more than a couple of years. They died without leaving descendants. Same for the mines in Central and South America.

TL; DR: Slavery has been a near-universal feature of human societies in the past, especially Arab and Muslim ones. White Europeans didn’t start slavery; they abolished it. The only reason the international slave trade ended in the 1900s was the British anti-slavery movement, backed by the Royal Navy. You can take your “white guilt” and “Islamophobia” propaganda and shove it where the sun don’t shine.

Never forget, muslims are weak and cowardly. They puff out their chests when they are on top, but the moment things head south – and they do the moment we decide to fight back – they give up and give in to every demand.

As it applies to tattoos and big muscles, I think it goes like this. Some men who rely too much on the tough guy persona i.e. looking the part instead of actually being the part will tend to fail real tests such as BUDs or Q Course. I’d wager that they cheated with the muscles (roids) and Tats are an easy way to look “tough” without earning it. They’re the same guys that shoot their mouth off and then get their ass kicked by the silent ones. Again, its easy to learn to talk tough. The absolute best example of this are women today. They watch tv and see a persona of “tough” and then think by just simply imitating that and getting not just a couple but a bunch of tattoos that, voila, they’re now legitimately “tough”. And worse, many of the white knights who would ordinarily call out that behavior in men in a second, do nothing and, in fact, enable this ridiculous behavior. I can take a man who acts tough but really isn’t, so long as he doesn’t F with me. After all, the trials of being a real tough man are very, well, tough. And I can see through the veneer and into the real insecurities of the man, which is sad. However, I have a very difficult time with these “tough guy” women, because when you have spaghetti arms and weight 90 lbs you are NOT tough. Such a display is soooo foolish it deserves an asskicking, but, I’d never do it for the same reasons the white knights don’t. Because they’re women. However, I can choose to snicker, shake my head, look down at them and use my body language to very clearly let them know I am pulling their punk card and do not honor any of this fake bravado. As it is, the ultimate insult to all those men who went the distance.

I think my osut class will be one of the first to allow women in infantry roles. Luckily I’m going beyond , they claim that the standards won’t be lowered so it’s a 235-240 on the apft (male standard ) to graduate

Did anyone ever give an estmate of the number of women who are actually intereseted in serving in combat roles? I know leftists and feminists are all high fiving each other, but none of them will actually serve.

That’s the real rub. When you look at the people who applaud this they’re slimey fat bodies or skinny freaks. Its the typical feminists, a loser in practically everything (that’s why they’re feminists). The worst is they’ve become so detached from reality they can sit there and champion fat acceptance to make excuses for their obese bodies so they can continue to munch on shitty food whenever they want. This is the total opposite of the necessary discipline to even make it through boot, and in their own little minds somehow think themselves as worthy a Chesty Puller in warrior acumen.

They have no idea what the military is or the demands it places on the people who serve. I saw women in the Gulf War and most were pure dead weight. They were burdens on their male counter-parts. There is a place for women who want to serve, although I would distract any of my female kin of signing up, would be nursing, admin, etc…REMF duties in CONUS are fine.

I met none at meps or at our in formal PTs but I’ll guess I’ll find out . Was talking to a woman who made it sound like he sister was marine infantry but when I asked she turned out to be POG . I read about the women rangers being allowed to start the course 2 weeks early and redo land navs up to 3 times . I’m hoping it’s just a “here’s your tab now go away ” type deal were they still go back to POG jobs . I know from talking that most of the older guys (sf,ranger, infantry) aren’t happy

I did a 4 hitch in army years ago and never met one woman in uniform who ever did. I worked with, and still know, some SF.

I know about the OC females who went Ranger… they failed despite the extra benefits and politics ensured they (I think it was 2) got tabs. If they lowerd the standards deep enough, you can pin a Ranger tab on a ham sandwich.

B-b-but I saw a movie where Angelina Jolie was kicking the asses of all these 220 lb men. You mean that wasn’t real? I don’t get it. Hollywood presents a distorted view of reality? Why would they do that?

But you were the one spouting off about how you knew who would and wouldn’t make it because you read it in a book . You remind me of a slack jawed know it all faggot who likes to sound tough on the internet.

This is true-they’re a pack of chickenshits and only ever are brave when they are fighting an incapacitated enemy or in numbers. Just as well I’m descended from history’s greatest asskickers, the Greeks, and we gleefully butchered that filth like hogs to regain our independence and would revel it in again if the shit does hit the proverbial fan.

1.You claim to have reached the intellectual level where you are able to
sense Meaninglessness. … Although admirable as an achievement, it is
nonetheless a miserable achievement. The Fanboys don’t get
meaninglessness. Only you and I do. And we know it sucks.

2.You are harmless (That is in and on itself miserable).Of course you want to
steal sex from a girl, since you don’t believe you actually deserve her
attention (one other thing that is miserable about you), but you don’t
want to hurt anybody. Others would call that rape. It’s not. It’s just a
game. Any person with half a brain can tell that. Unfortunately half
the world’s population has an IQ below average. Go figure … You have
to deal with such people, and that’s miserable as well.

3.On one hand you advocate chastity for all women, and on the other hand you
talk about how people want to limit other people’s sexual choice. So I
gather you ‘re complaining that other people won’t let you freely choose
your bride ? … So you ‘re done with having sex until you find your
bride ? … And what about all the people who congregate to your forum.
Are they supposed to remain celibate till marriage ? … And after
marriage they ‘re supposed to stay with the same woman with the rest of
their lives ? … THIS IS THE PLAN ???
SO LET ME GET THIS ONE : You ‘re complaining about any restriction to sexual freedom,while you ‘re advocating the biggest possible restriction to it, which
is to find a mate and spend the rest of your life with it ?
You ‘re contradicting yourself. THIS is also miserable. Actually it’s pathetic …

All in all a great guy … But not that bright.
If you want to ask me for advice, do so. But the real question is whether you can accept any advice.
I don’t think you ‘re really there when you talk to anybody. It seems
like you ‘re always giving out a speech, even when you ‘re supposedly
conversing. Your eyes are always empty … Like you ‘re simply not there.

Wow. You started out as a halfway decent troll, too. It’s just sad to see you degenerate like this. Perhaps my nephew, Dr. Goldbergstein, can assist you with your psychological problems. I’ll talk to him– he can give you a good rate.

The Arab Slave trade was truly vicious. Many of the captured slaves would die en route due to starvation. The males were all castrated. The females were made as domestic servants and concubines. The Arabs captured slaves all across Europe. They were so feared that many coastal cities in Italy, Greece and Spain were depopulated. The Arab slavers went as far north as Ireland and Scandinavia. As noted above, the Arab Slave trade was monumentally larger than the trade to the Americas and it lasted into modern times (1960’s), but we were never taught this in our world history education.

I can’t help but wonder whether the downfall of King George III is somehow related to these events, in terms of the age of uneven taxation which benefited monopoly trade interests (tea and rum; cotton, hemp, and tobacco), such that upstart competitors were thrown to the wolves (and perhaps slavery!)

Some families have made a grand career out of playing both sides of the U.S. duopoly against each other, while ostensibly embodying partisan interests. A particular family comes to mind who is perfectly happy to play ball with The House of Saud. I am reminded of the fascinating book, American Dynasty: Aristocracy, Fortune, and the Politics of Deceit in the House of Bush by Kevin P. Phillips. I wonder if the apparent loyalty is returned and at what cost.

There is more parallel than that. Throughout our reign in India, we often kept the peace by playing the various factions against each other. If anything, the United States needs to do this more in the Middle East: keep the Shia and Sunni slaying each other so they aren’t slaying Christians, Jews, Atheists or Agnostics or what have you. In fact, U.S. oil companies might be able to move in and take control (similar to operations in South America) if we could get a big war between Sunni and Shia going.

Unfortunately, we’d have to “enable” Iran in certain ways that could seriously backfire. We’d have to keep them more angry at each other than with us.

At this point, the West is too unwilling to return to an Imperial ruthlessness tempered by traditional morality. In the Cold War, we didn’t hesitate to support some extremely uncivilized regimes to support very civilized ends (destroying Communism).

Saul Alinksy once wrote that the question should not be “do the ends always justify the means?” but rather “do these ends justify these means?”

Ironically, Alinksy’s polar opposite politically, Henry Kissinger, once said something similar: We cannot have a foreign policy that is completely realpolitik or completely based in morality. To do either puts too great a restriction on possible actions.

My admittedly guarded point however is that “our” and “we” and “us” may have already long been infiltrated by “them” in terms of the long game of Jihad. As for military and cold war strategics, I’ll gratefully leave that to less passionate minds than mine. I’m just opining that I suspect that the PSYOPS and historical cover-ups have been going on for a very long time, while benefiting a few Islamic as well as non-Islamic bloodlines, similarly benefiting from suppressing history even today.

I think (or hope) that we’re due for a shake-up in Western Civilization that will hopefully retain control of Western Civilization in similar but not exactly the same bloodlines which have been owning the narrative thus far. Articles like this show that this narrative is crumbling.

Meanwhile the demographics of Western Civilization are at each other’s throats, and so obviously “divide and conquer” goes both ways.

Simply motivating farmers and homesteaders to sacrifice themselves for the sake of “Independence” from “Tyranny” was its own issue. I suspect that this was the same robust, disinclined-to-be-tamed demographic more likely sacrificed on the high seas.

I don’t want to be in charge but it would seem that some intrigue surrounds the notion that U.S. shipping and import/export interests were ever disinclined to sacrifice in-group competitors to political and ideological enemies. The British East India Tea Company (and all the offshoots) were, according to Kevin Phillips but one of the commercial and political sources of the power of the Bush and Walker clans. Would they have made a deal with the pirates? Why not?

The shake up that could benefit the west is not any shake up currently in the works. I suspect you are not complaining that rich and powerful men and families control the world for their own benefit.

The families which are controlling things may need to change. However, when the left complains about how rich people have more power than poor people, I sigh. I sigh the same when when I hear tradcons complain than “suddenly, wealthy, successful men are trying to have sex with multiple younger, attractive women.” Like any of this is new.

If anything, we need the families in power to be *less* concerned with the poor, because by having to feign that they give two shits about poor people, they have to pander to feminists and quasi-Marxist elements within society.

This is why I have advocated for a return to the Victorian Era British Empire, and scaling back social justice to the same era (sans only racism). Wealthy, powerful families help society the most when they are wealthy and powerful. Not when they try to pretend to be something they aren’t: people who give two shits about poor people.

Similarly, women help society the most when they raise children, keep a house in good order, and support powerful men. Not when they try to be men. While there are a few genetic outliers, such as Elizabeth I or Margaret Thatcher, they are far from the norm.

King George III did not fall from office. He became mentally ill with a disorder not satisfactorily diagnosed even now. While he was incapacitated his heir (also George, later King George IV) reigned as Prince Regent. The prince was ,unfortunately an inveterate rake who brought his generation of the monarchy into disrepute.

That would have been difficult. If you think modern background checks are extensive, the Georgian ones for jobs with access to the King were even tighter.There wouldn’t even have been much point bumping him off or incapacitating him – by then the monarch was effectively a figurehead with the real power in the hands of Parliament.

You have to watch out when you start a discussion with white/western people, because almost all of them have some white guilt in them. It can be about Jews, blacks or any other ‘minority’.

In Western Europe we have a lot of problems with Muslims and a few months ago they attacked and robbed a Jewish woman. A right-wing site started a crowdfunding action to help her. I said to them: When a non-Jewish white woman gets attacked, robbed and raped by Muslims, nobody gives a fuck. And now a Jewish woman gets attacked everybody wants to help her? I was immediately called an anti-semite, a racist, a lowlife etc.. And realize: these people are right-wing and are against Muslims, blacks and immigrants in general.

The hypocrisy is big among people who claim to be right wing. They will easily change their opinions if it will benefit them and turn against you. It’s not bad that they helped the woman, but they are too retarted to see how they put Jews above their own people and when you say something about it, they will call you an anti-semite. Western countries are just fake. It’s better to focus on your own life and business instead of caring about your country, society and retarted countrymen.

The war against the Barbary Pirates was undeclared and thus of questionable legality. But then they weren’t really a nation so it’s a gray area. But the war was fought to protect wealthy merchants who didn’t like their trade being interrupted. Didn’t do much for US national security.

The public school system I graduated from in the 80’s, which rated very highly at the time, required all students to go through a two-year course of American history, in the 8th and 9th grades (roughly ages 13-14). Two years ought to be enough to study over two centuries of history in a reasonable level of detail, you would think. Yet, I have no recollection of this war whatsoever. They just skipped over it entirely.

And yet, the information was always out there, in bits and pieces. Lyrics of songs (“to the shores of Tripoli” in the Marine anthem), to scary stories told about women being kidnapped and made into sex slaves in some sultan’s harem (there were even movies about that). So it’s not like nobody knew about it.

So when one confronts the omisson of this war from the standard historical narrative, and combines it with fictions such as the revolutionary war being mainly about freeing the colonies from the tyranny of “the King of England” (when the reality is that, at that point in history, Parliament was already running things)

I’d take issue with only one assertion here – lumping the ambitious Napoleon with the bloodthirsty revolutionaries of the Terror.
Napoleon was effectively a French Julius Caesar (and called so by the Assembly when he enacted the coup d’etat that put him in charge) a ruthless careerist who stepped in to end the chaos and make a bid for world domination.

History is not black and white there is a lot of gray. For example while the barbary wars are certainly not taught in American schools what is also not taught is the fact that the Kingdom of Morocco was the first state to recognize the newly independent US as a nation state.

This treaty was signed around the same time as the Barbary wars and so the relationship between Christian America and Muslim states was never outright hostility though some here would love that to be. This treaty is still one of the longest lasting treaty in our history.

Except that the US was paying the Barbary states protection money, so of course Moroccan Muslims recognized the US, but as dhimmis. Sometimes history is shades of gray, but more often than not, it is indeed black and white.

Red Ice Radio has some good stuff on this. I actually think at times Henrik crosses the line and actually does seem a little racist. I appreciate how nationalistic paganism can lead people to reject PC. So I listen to a lot of his broadcasts, even though there are times when his critics are right to call him racist. At the same time, with all that is happening in his country, Sweden, I feel for the dude.

But he has had some excellent broadcasts on the Moors and the slave trade. I appreciate the fact that he brings Christians on his show even if he is Norse pagan.

I just think Christianity is the best religion for opposing both racism and PC.

SO check out Red Ice Radio. Listen critically. Some stuff crosses the line of what I can accept. Especially being in a bi-racial and by-cultural marriage. But he says a lot of stuff that needs to be said.

Washington fought the British and their tax tyranny, then he became a tax tyrant in the Whiskey Rebellion where he personally led troops to force citizens to pay taxes – no different than the British tea taxes and stamp taxes

Jefferson wanted to live without foreign interference in his home land, then he created a military to go out and go out and harass and kill people in their homes and to protect corporate interests…

Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

Textbooks are all approved by the federal government, if you went to a public high school or read a textbook go ahead and consider all of that propaganda. If you control what people know, you control how they think, if you control how they think you control them.

some of the greatest pirate captains were european renegades,bit rich anyway coming from an advocate of the british empire,you are too stupid to realize thats its just two powers at play and their is no right or wrong,british empire my hole

Superb article, as many of the comments. re McCarthy and FDR for example.

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