Comments on: Are Palestinians Allowed to Resist?http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/02/are-palestinians-allowed-to-resist-2/
a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justiceSat, 27 Sep 2014 17:28:19 +0000hourly1https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6.1By: Barryhttp://dissidentvoice.org/2009/02/are-palestinians-allowed-to-resist-2/#comment-40256
Thu, 05 Mar 2009 02:10:33 +0000http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=6979#comment-40256Mebosa is crying crocodile tears over the death of Palestinians. He should be so diligently concerned about the repeated Israeli massacres.

Forget it mebosa. You have no argument. Palestine is the one and only illegally occupied land in the world – that’s the law of the world. And Israel is the last remaining Apartheid state on the planet. This too shall pass. So mutterings about behavior in Occupied Palestine are beyond irrelevant. It’s like a discussion of a fight among two slaves as a counter to an argument about the evils of the institution of slavery.

Senior Islamic Jihad commander Khaled Shalan was killed on Wednesday night in an IAF missile strike on his car in Gaza.
Another member of the terror group was critically hurt in the attack on the vehicle that was traveling from Jabalya to Beit Lahiya, in northern Gaza.

According to the IDF, Shalan was responsible for the recent rocket fire on Ashkelon.

Hamas officials said the two jumped out of the vehicle when they heard the approaching aircraft, but were hit by the incoming missile.

Five others were reportedly wounded in the strike.

Shortly after the attack, the Islamic Jihad vowed that it would retaliate.

“The [attempted] assassination points to the fact that the Zionist entity is not interested in calm,” the group said in a statement. “Therefore, [Israel should] expect our reaction, and more rockets.”

“This crime will not pass without a response,” the group warned.

Since the end of Operation Cast Lead in January, Palestinians have continued to fire rockets and mortar shells into Israeli territory, often provoking a military response. On Tuesday, two waves of air strikes targeted smuggling tunnels along the Gaza-Egypt border, wounding seven people.

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Wed, 04 Mar 2009 18:55:49 +0000http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=6979#comment-40222Let’s face it Gideon – you have no arguments whatsoever why Israel should continue to illegally occupy any of Palestine. Occupation of Gaza is illegal by the very UN documents you reference.

Israel did not leave Gaza in 2005. You will find no documentation that Israel left Gaza. They merely played chess with the settlers. Israel then intensified the siege of Gaza and ‘thickened’ (the Israeli term for it) their settlements in the West Bank. Gaza is entitled to resist both their own siege and occupation as well as the occupation of the West Bank. Obviously, none of Palestine is free until it is all free.

I will ask you again – do you want to count Palestinian rocket attacks and related Israeli deaths versus Israeli missile attacks and related Palestinian deaths? Anytime, guy!

Terrorist’s intent, will and means are there to KILL as Many Israelis as possible INDISCRIMINATELY!

Can you imagine what may happen when Terrorists get hold of more powerful, more accurate weapons?

In such a scenario even less than 10% success may bring massive casualties!

That’s why to access the Israeli casualties you need to take into consideration the Terrorists failure rate and adjust the casualties number.

A dream of any Law Enforcement officer is to be able to prevent the crime, rather than just investigate and find the criminal.

Israeli security forces have demonstrated amazing success of preventing more than 90% of terrorist’s attacks.

This success masks the real number of casualties should terrorists have succeded in their Indiscriminate Murder plans.

]]>By: Barryhttp://dissidentvoice.org/2009/02/are-palestinians-allowed-to-resist-2/#comment-40207
Wed, 04 Mar 2009 15:55:38 +0000http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=6979#comment-40207Addendum: I perused the ages of the children killed by Israeli Occupation Forces from Sept, 2000 until end of 2008 (the several hundred child killings by Israel in its January 2009 invasion are not included here.)
Israel has taken the lives of 146 children who were 9 years of age or less (down to infancy). So about 15% of the children Israel kills are little children, toddlers, infants or newborns. If I had counted all pre-teens as well (ages 10 – 13) the number would have increased considerably.

Target practice.

]]>By: Barryhttp://dissidentvoice.org/2009/02/are-palestinians-allowed-to-resist-2/#comment-40203
Wed, 04 Mar 2009 15:09:39 +0000http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=6979#comment-40203Gideon – So if Barry Bonds had hit a homerun in every 2001 plate appearance he’d have had 664 homeruns instead of 73! OK – lets start with that number. Bonds had 664 homeruns – ’cause you know he could have done it if he really wanted to. Man was he amazing, or what? Now in the other league there were 2506 homeruns – but when you consider that so many were hit against weak pitching and in small ballparks it really amounts to about 500 legit homeruns. Holy smackers! Bonds hit more homeruns than the entire American League, a ratio of 664:500. And when you consider that Bonds was only really trying to hit a homerun about half the time, we can say with some assurance that he should be credited with 1328 homeruns that year – at least. And it should be recalled that American League umps practically give the homerun call if you just put the bat on the ball – so really, effectively speaking, there were maybe only 50 legit homeruns in the AL that year. If you do the math you’ll will see that Bonds, for all intents and purposes killed the ball 1328 times in 2001, the AL, 50. Wow what a ratio! – 1328:50. Bond’s was more dangerous than the entire AL – by far!

That is Gideon style math. Here are the real numbers. Since 2000 until the present, Israel has killed approx. 6300 Palestinians. Over that period about 1075 Israelis (including 335 IDF) have been killed. That’s a 5.8 to 1 ratio. Where are these Palestinians being killed? In their homeland: Palestine (98.9%). Where are the Israelis being killed? Many (44.8%) are killed in…Palestine.

We should also note that about 1,450 Palestinian children have been killed (virtually all in Palestine). About 85 Israeli children have been killed (some in Palestine because their parents put the political cause of a bigger Israel over the lives of their children). So the children’s death ratio is about 17 to 1!!!!!!! Thus Palestinian children make up about 23% of all Palestinian deaths while Israeli children make up about 8% of all Israeli deaths. It is clear that the IDF invades the West Bank and Gaza with the express purpose of targeting children- the long term strategy being that Palestinians will leave if there is no hope for the future – and killing their children means killing their future.

Too many deaths on either side one might say. But just remember where the Palestinians are dying, who invades whom, and who illegally occupies whom.

And by the way, as Palestine has no military forces – all of its death are to civilians. (And one might note that because all but a few Israeli-Jews serve in the military – they are all military.)

Since Gideon believes – and has stated so – in the right to resist attack – it is safe to say that the Palestinians were not engaging in hostilities, they were resisting the invaders.

Why such a high percentage of Men and “boys” (14-17 is considered a child)?
Is it because these men and some of these “boys” are engaged in “hostilities”?

“It is considerably more difficult to distinguish precisely who amongst those Palestinians killed were civilians. Since September 2000, of Palestinians killed by Israeli security forces, WHOSE STATUS WAS KNOWN, 59% were civilians and 41% were engaged in hostilities at the time of their death.”

Adjusting the number of Men, WHOSE STATUS WAS KNOWN to be “civilians” by 50%, it shows that
70% of men killed were engaged in “hostilities”.

That’s a Ratio of Israeli to Palestinian deaths of 5!
Of course one should not limit the number of Israelis to die should Israeli security forces were not successful to stop these attacks to just 10, 240.
Terrorist’s objective is to MAXIMIZE the number of Targeted and Killed. So Terrorists would like their number to be much bigger: 20,000, 50,000, 100,000?

Any of these numbers will bring the ratio to 10, 25, 50!

Deaths from the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict Sep 2000 – Jul 2007

Of those killed in the conflict, 4,228 have been Palestinians, 1,024 Israelis, and 63 foreign citizens.

(OCHA) (Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs ) reports prepared with the help of Palestinian organizations Aug 31 2007 report.

“The goal is to kill as many Palestinians as possible SO THAT THE REST FLEE”

That strategy goes all the way back to the pre-state era when the goal was to ‘spirit the penniless poor to the transit countries.’ And it worked in 47-49.

]]>By: Mozhttp://dissidentvoice.org/2009/02/are-palestinians-allowed-to-resist-2/#comment-40150
Wed, 04 Mar 2009 00:46:30 +0000http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=6979#comment-40150To be presumptuous and offer an answer of my own ritchie,
not even Israel could get away with murdering 1.5m in one “war”.

I mean, can you imagine the BBC/CNN etc. trying to spin that as self defence?

if israel wanted to kill as many arabs as possible in gaza,as you claim,why didn’t it just carpet bomb and flatten the whole area?

]]>By: Barryhttp://dissidentvoice.org/2009/02/are-palestinians-allowed-to-resist-2/#comment-40145
Tue, 03 Mar 2009 23:23:05 +0000http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=6979#comment-40145Hey Gideon – Weight of numbers. Since 2000 until the present Israel has killed approx. 6300 Palestinians. Over that period less than 600 Israelis have been killed. That’s a 10.6 to 1 ratio. Where are these Palestinians being killed? In their homeland: Palestine. Where are the Israelis being killed? Many are killed in…Palestine. All so Israel can be bigger! How does shooting boys and girls in tummies and faces make Israel bigger? The goal is to kill as many Palestinians as possible so that the rest flee. It worked for the Jews in 48-49 and they expect it will work again. Israeli-Jews are emotionally damaged. Israel may need to be made a ward of the UN. And then Israeli Jews can be sent to re-education camps to purge the hatred out of them.
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Tue, 03 Mar 2009 20:47:40 +0000http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=6979#comment-40130Moral Clarity: MINIMIZING collateral damage vs MAXIMIZING civilian casualties. Us vs Them. Choice is clear.

In today asymmetric war on terror, our military leaders are called to make death and live decisions on a daily basis. When target is identified and there is a window of opportunity to hit it, the loss of innocent life around the target (collateral damage) is carefully reviewed and analyzed with an objective to MINIMIZE collateral damage. At the end a decision is made, weighing the risk to our security and their human life price.

On the other side, selection of targets and window of opportunity is based on one objective only: MAXIMIZE our civilian casualties!

Palestinian homicide bombings and Hamas rocket launches target innocent civilians with a goal to maximize the number of killed.

90% of these attempts do not succeed because of Israeli heavy security measures.

We can believe terrorists when they declare what they wanted to achieve.

When you look at these numbers you can really get the whole picture.

]]>By: Gideonhttp://dissidentvoice.org/2009/02/are-palestinians-allowed-to-resist-2/#comment-40127
Tue, 03 Mar 2009 19:24:50 +0000http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=6979#comment-40127Is there a need for another Mandate over Gaza? Who would be a natural choice? Hamas has zero international credibility.
]]>By: Mozhttp://dissidentvoice.org/2009/02/are-palestinians-allowed-to-resist-2/#comment-40112
Tue, 03 Mar 2009 13:47:43 +0000http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=6979#comment-40112At the end of the day, no matter how unpalatable Hamas may be they are not the issue.

Settlements, land theft, imprisonment without trial all under diplomatic cover of the US. For decades. This is the issue.

Hamas is a relatively recent phenomena which would not have occured had the descisions not been made by Israel to continually deny the right of the Palestinians. “There is no such thing as a Palestinian!”

Kick a nest of hornets, by all means, but don’t be surprised when they start stinging the sh*t out of everything…..