Anybody else get annoyed by parks that dont have jump lines with same size jumps?

Alot of parks have jump lines that get bigger and bigger from one jump to the next. I cant stand this. I dont want to have to constantly be adjusting my speed to make sure im hitting the right speed on each jump; i just want a jump line where you know exactly how fast you need to go for the next one because you just hit the same size jump before it. Last time i was at mammoth they had a perfect jump line like this, every jump was the same size and hitting each one at the right speed was easy.
If a resort wants to have one final jump thats larger than the rest, thats fine, but do it on the moneybooter only; DONT have the entire god damn line of jumps get bigger and bigger. Im too old and lazy to have to stress out calculating how much speed i need to add from one kicker to the next.

The entire purpose of a traditional jump line is that you're hitting larger and larger jumps in succession. The key to a good jump line is fine tuning them so that the larger landings (the in-run for the next jump) require a minimum amount of speed checks going into the next take off.

Places like mammoth who know what they're doing put a lot of time into getting their jumplines dialed. It's likely they were getting slightly bigger but that's another thing about a good jump line. To the rider, it seems effortless. It's actually the entire purpose of a park crew that tests features. If somethings not riding right, that information is supposed to make it's way to the cat operators to fix it asap.

DIRTYBUBBLEI don’t mind when jump size progresses but I really hate when you have to skip a jump to get the speed right

That’s just a poorly laid out jump line. Should be able to roll into the next one with no speed checks,
Maybe conditions? It’s good to keep the park sticks well waxed at all times. I also find that the difffernece in speed required between skis can be quite a bit

RusticlesThat’s just a poorly laid out jump line. Should be able to roll into the next one with no speed checks,
Maybe conditions? It’s good to keep the park sticks well waxed at all times. I also find that the difffernece in speed required between skis can be quite a bit

Sounds like Big Boulder to me lol I remember they had a 3 in a row last year where u either had to skip the first or second kicker in order to get a nice launch on the 3rd one. its not that they got bigger, its just that the first jump was so steep it made landing a hassle. idk who all rides at BB but I think they wasted sooo much space with the "pro sized" park last year building like 5 MASSIVE kickers. (like Red Bull type big) that would get hit maybe once a month by like 3 semi pros. Very hyped to see how they set it all up this year tho .

KilaTsunamiSounds like Big Boulder to me lol I remember they had a 3 in a row last year where u either had to skip the first or second kicker in order to get a nice launch on the 3rd one. its not that they got bigger, its just that the first jump was so steep it made landing a hassle. idk who all rides at BB but I think they wasted sooo much space with the "pro sized" park last year building like 5 MASSIVE kickers. (like Red Bull type big) that would get hit maybe once a month by like 3 semi pros. Very hyped to see how they set it all up this year tho .

I love what big boulder puts out 99% of the time but when you dedicate massive time, acreage, and resources for .05% of your customer base; at some point you have have to justify that from a good business standpoint. Ya gotta ask the question of whether or not that's the best use of those resources.

They seem to be able to make it work though because they kill it. Regularly...

The entire purpose of a traditional jump line is that you're hitting larger and larger jumps in succession. The key to a good jump line is fine tuning them so that the larger landings (the in-run for the next jump) require a minimum amount of speed checks going into the next take off.

Places like mammoth who know what they're doing put a lot of time into getting their jumplines dialed. It's likely they were getting slightly bigger but that's another thing about a good jump line. To the rider, it seems effortless. It's actually the entire purpose of a park crew that tests features. If somethings not riding right, that information is supposed to make it's way to the cat operators to fix it asap.

At least when i skied there mammoths mid line was like perfect copies from one jump to the next. They didnt get bigger at all. The idea that jumps should get progressively bigger so you can just point it from jump to jump and the increased speed will hit the kicker perfectly is just stupid. One skier of a certain clothing baggyness
And weight might be able to point it and have the right speed, but another skier might completely clear the landing and crush themselves. Its a ton safer to have even sized jumps.

T.L.I love what big boulder puts out 99% of the time but when you dedicate massive time, acreage, and resources for .05% of your customer base; at some point you have have to justify that from a good business standpoint. Ya gotta ask the question of whether or not that's the best use of those resources.

They seem to be able to make it work though because they kill it. Regularly...

More power to em

Personally I don't believe that park riders are ".05%" of there customer base, I think its definitely more, and I see it as increasing too. I hope they turn the entire hill into a park. Its so small they might as well. They should nut up & embrace the niche. Do it UP like Big Bear CA and have LOTS of events/amateur competitions!! MORE LIVE MUSIC ACTS!! More team rider edits. Film Festivals. Peep there IG comments.. ALL PARK RIDERS. ALL HYPED TO GET BACK OUT (bruhv) Besides, what real Alpine-skiing ass mans is pulling up at Big Boulder to get in his Long All mountain runs ? You literally cant lol. There seriously on the right track right now. The best is yet to come for Big Boulder.

T.L.I love what big boulder puts out 99% of the time but when you dedicate massive time, acreage, and resources for .05% of your customer base; at some point you have have to justify that from a good business standpoint. Ya gotta ask the question of whether or not that's the best use of those resources.

They seem to be able to make it work though because they kill it. Regularly...

More power to em

It’s no surprise or new news that Peak Resorts and BB just suck at figuring out how to have a balance sheet that’s not in the red.

BB is the step child of the Mount Snow parks but probably better. They don’t get their balls held every day by management so they can do their own thing a bit better.

KilaTsunamiPersonally I don't believe that park riders are ".05%" of there customer base, I think its definitely more, and I see it as increasing too. I hope they turn the entire hill into a park. Its so small they might as well. They should nut up & embrace the niche. Do it UP like Big Bear CA and have LOTS of events/amateur competitions!! MORE LIVE MUSIC ACTS!! More team rider edits. Film Festivals. Peep there IG comments.. ALL PARK RIDERS. ALL HYPED TO GET BACK OUT (bruhv) Besides, what real Alpine-skiing ass mans is pulling up at Big Boulder to get in his Long All mountain runs ? You literally cant lol. There seriously on the right track right now. The best is yet to come for Big Boulder.

I think he meant that 0.5% of park riders there can hit the pro line...

DolanReloadedAlot of parks have jump lines that get bigger and bigger from one jump to the next. I cant stand this. I dont want to have to constantly be adjusting my speed to make sure im hitting the right speed on each jump; i just want a jump line where you know exactly how fast you need to go for the next one because you just hit the same size jump before it. Last time i was at mammoth they had a perfect jump line like this, every jump was the same size and hitting each one at the right speed was easy.
If a resort wants to have one final jump thats larger than the rest, thats fine, but do it on the moneybooter only; DONT have the entire god damn line of jumps get bigger and bigger. Im too old and lazy to have to stress out calculating how much speed i need to add from one kicker to the next.

**This thread was edited on Nov 3rd 2018 at 8:24:04pm

Dude, you funny. That's the way it supposed to be in most cases.
If you hair ball out on the second jump...........don't take the third!

Stand around a while and watch others.
How are they doing?
Does your place have any "hot riders"?
If they can do it so can you.
Maybe ask someone if you can follow them down the jump line as you go over the knuckles and not the ramps.
This will give you an idea of the speed needed. (If they can do it) Ha ha.
Keep in mind Mammoth has an ass wipe of money and space. Not every place has that.
Bla bla bla bla.

RusticlesThat’s just a poorly laid out jump line. Should be able to roll into the next one with no speed checks,
Maybe conditions? It’s good to keep the park sticks well waxed at all times. I also find that the difffernece in speed required between skis can be quite a bit

You said no speed checks, then you say wax your skis.
Yes......if your skis are running like lightning, then one may need to make a few turns.
If you are on "speed controlled skis" (skis that are not taken care of and glide sucks wind)
Then you better straight line it and pray! Tucking may help as you pray as well.

T.L.I love what big boulder puts out 99% of the time but when you dedicate massive time, acreage, and resources for .05% of your customer base; at some point you have have to justify that from a good business standpoint. Ya gotta ask the question of whether or not that's the best use of those resources.

They seem to be able to make it work though because they kill it. Regularly...

More power to em

I rarely if ever hit all of the jumps in boulders "pro" line, but really I don't think they are that insanely big. I also fee like I see plenty of people hitting them as long as conditions are right. I'd say 7Springs gets the award for stupid big jumps that people don't hit from what I've seen.

DIRTYBUBBLEThat all helps but nothing will ever help my home hill jumps any steeper :(

Yea, I hear you. Some places do a much better job than others.
We had an awesome park boss for several years at Bachelor. He moved on and now we have a much sadder situation.
Then again, they only give the one stick of bubble gum to hold the parks together. Budget is always part of the equation.
That said, some folks can do more with one stick than another.

SkiBum.It’s no surprise or new news that Peak Resorts and BB just suck at figuring out how to have a balance sheet that’s not in the red.

BB is the step child of the Mount Snow parks but probably better. They don’t get their balls held every day by management so they can do their own thing a bit better.

If I remember correctly, and I could be wrong, but that’s not often. Peak tried the all mountain park concept at Big Boulder back in like 05 maybe? Then they realized it was possible. And then they bought mount snow in 07? Because the park concept wasn’t a total flop at Boulder we now have carinthia.

But besides that. OP, back in my day, if you couldn’t figure out speed between jumps you just switched to snowboarding. It’s that easy.

people act like its so easy to have the perfect slope angle and snow to have a line with exactly the same size and shape of jumps. Thats not how mountainous terrain works, you are always limited in some ways by the mountain and the slope itself, you naturally gain speed going downhill. park crew aren't magicians. Most respected terrain parks have a pretty intuitive flow after a few runs practicing, and i for one really like a gradual progression in size. it allows you to work on new grabs or rotations on smaller jumps, and if that goes well, do something sick and go big at the bottom.

Meh. Fair enough. By the time your my age you probably will be on tgr talking about how backcountry is what real skiers ski bc you tore you rectum open on a tall rail. That being said you probably bleed from your crotch once a month already.

karlmarxpeople act like its so easy to have the perfect slope angle and snow to have a line with exactly the same size and shape of jumps. Thats not how mountainous terrain works, you are always limited in some ways by the mountain and the slope itself, you naturally gain speed going downhill. park crew aren't magicians. Most respected terrain parks have a pretty intuitive flow after a few runs practicing, and i for one really like a gradual progression in size. it allows you to work on new grabs or rotations on smaller jumps, and if that goes well, do something sick and go big at the bottom.

Mammoth does it easily. And californians are fucking
Retards if they can do it everyone can do it.
Its easier to remember a certain speed needed for every jump than it is to balance the amount of speed you need to gain vs how much you transfered from the last landing etc.. when the jumps are getting bigger and bigger.
If you dont believe its easier to gauge a single speed youre a retard and a towel

DolanReloadedMammoth does it easily. And californians are fucking
Retards if they can do it everyone can do it.
Its easier to remember a certain speed needed for every jump than it is to balance the amount of speed you need to gain vs how much you transfered from the last landing etc.. when the jumps are getting bigger and bigger.
If you dont believe its easier to gauge a single speed youre a retard and a towel

It all depends on the terrain though. For example at my home hill the jumps go 35-55-50, but it works perfectly because of the steepness of the hill and where they place the jumps.