Who really are the Rothchilds?

I'm positive I don't want to enter this thread but.... *sigh* maybe just one post.

Contrary to some earlier posts, this video clip is VERY relevant and belongs to "The Secret Rulers of the World". The full doc contains a lot of
relevant information. That being said, it's not a good intro for those being "awakened to the real way of the world". It's heavy hitting and well
researched. The proof is there, do your research.

NovusOrdoMundi's comments are correct.

...I had to laugh at someone's earlier post claiming the Rothchild's are now nothing more than a run of the mill rich family after loosing most of
their fortune.

As far as the video's comment about them "watching the show" from their apartment, it's called putting emphasis on the fact that they 100% new it
would have been going down. The comment wasn't literal. If they wanted to watch, I wouldn't put it past them, is the point.

Thank you for posting the video. I found it very interesting. I did not know the wealth of the Rothschilds was so recently acquired.

I also wonder why Mayer (sp?) Rothschild never bought new clothes. One would think with all that money he could have given up the paupers rags at SOME
point....

Someone else brought up the fact that the Rothschilds helped finance the Nazis. It seems to me the big power players and the super rich have a
tendency to stack the deck in their favor by making money off both sides of a conflict. This technique of provoking conflict, then selling arms to
both sides (or loaning money, etc) seems to be a very successful and popular one. Didnt grandpa Bush also have something to do with banking or finance
and the Nazi's?

Lord knows provoking wars and conflicts and profiting from them seems to be the way that lots of people in the military industrial complex are
bleeding America dry.

Anyway, very informative. I know all videos like this have to be taken with a grain of salt, you cant just take it at face value, but as someone else
said thats why there is google. It has given me lots of questions to pursue, and that in my opinion in the most valuable part of sharing information.
It inspires others to look deeper. Good job.

Just to add a bit: The Rothchilds dynasty is indeed mentioned in public education, at the university level in europe.

They are the predominante banking figures from the the 18th century onwards, and afaik there has never been an event that made them lose power or
influence. They have never been audited and are probably not directly taxed. They cornered the world's gold market and are said to have most of the
actual gold horded in private complexes at secret locations. Their current networth, as a family, is estimated conservatively at around 100 Trillion,
with a T. They have shaped the evolution of the financial market and with it the world, and I suspect they use all their power, wealth and influence
to shape the minds of men to their agenda. They use kings and presidents as proxies.

I have always been curious as to whether there is a power, either political, material or spiritual guiding their actions, but as far as I can see if
anyone really wants to know where the hub of influence, the center of power, of our civilization is, well, the Rothchilds are the prime candidate for
such a role.

Their bloodline is reported to be of the Ashkenazi jews, coming from somewhere in the middle east, maybe the caucasus, which might correlate with
caucasian and eugenics in the Nazi regime, as there is a certain etymological relation there, I don't know but it could be worth researching and
would link to the whole "hitler is a rothschild" meme. There seems to be indeed a higher than average IQ test score amongst ashkenazi jews, as
described in wiki: en.wikipedia.org...

Pesonally I don't find this that impressive, as I've scored as high as 142 on IQ tests yet I'm smart enough to know I'm not that smart, and these
tests are loaded, to get any sort of idea of how smart a person really is there has to be some sort of correlation to an emotional intelligence level,
which is what actually guides decision based on the data given by empirical intelligence. Funnily enough I score lower on EQ tests, and this
correlates to my personal life experience. This post itself might not be that good an idea... oh well.

Anyways, back on track, it does indeed seem that the Rothchilds are major players and as such deserve some more atention. I have read they own
directly or indirectly both AP and Reuters, which would explain why they are so seldom mentioned. For anyone not likeing how human society is
developing and where it is going the Rothchilds are fair game as an explanation, as they do seem to be the spiritual descendents of the venezian black
nobility, which is at the genesis of mercantile international capitalism in the modern world. Of course, all of this is nothing new, I bet the romans
and the greek had their own financial elites, money has been enslaving populations for eons. And populations have been rebelling against it for eons
too...

One last word of caution, when analyzing something as complex as a secular family at the top of the social structure, it would be apropriate to have
some caution when judgeing, as I am sure as with all families, there are good Rothchilds and bad Rothchilds, and I am also pretty sure that some of
the stories told about them might not be true.

But, as long as people are wakeing up, they might as well wake up to the richest people in the world. So, people, Rothchilds; Rothchilds, people.

For those who are interested in researching the subject further you will have to look into the "Jewish" faith, as all the Rothschild's are Jewish.
There, you will find the driving force behind their mindset.

Regardless of what you perceive as "Jewish" whether it is the Jewish bloodline, or Religion, they all, without exception, view themselves to be the
same bloodline family. Also, regardless of bloodline or Religion, the State of Israel considers all "Jews" globally to be citezens of Israel.
Therefore, they can be considered "Duel" citezens of any country they may live in.

It's tricky to make judgements of someone I haven't met and spent time with, but from my vantage point I would tend to consider than most elitists
do not follow religion, but use it as a tool to control others.

Or, to put it another perspective, I don't see any use of lableing the elite by their ethnicity, because once they reach a certain mass in wealth and
once their social circle is other likeminded people, they have no allegience to anyone but themselves.

Or, to put it yet another way, if these people do follow a religious agenda, it is not because of their religion but because of the advantages that
agenda would give them, as it would place them at the top of the social pyramid. Religion has been used this way for millenia, if anyone wants true
spirituality they must search within themselves, not submit themselves to others.

"It is absurd to say our country can issue bonds and cannot issue currency. Both are promises to pay, but one fattens the usurer and the other helps
the people." --Thomas Edison

International bankers live in fear.

Not of starvation, disease or war. These are the concerns of children in the Third World.

Bankers are terrified we might object to paying them billions each year in interest for money they create out of nothing, guaranteed by our taxes.
(The Federal Reserve Board, a private cartel of mostly foreign banks, finagled this monopoly in 1913.)

The bankers are frightened that, like the homeless man's dog, we might say, "I can do this myself."

They are scared the government might go even further and "default" on trillions of make-believe "debt."

They are frightened of losing "control." They toss and turn at night.

In order to sleep more soundly, the bankers have taken "steps."

These precautions help us to understand the world we live in, why it is becoming safer for bankers but less safe and more bizarre for everyone else.

First, people who own money machines tend to have a lot of friends. The bankers helped their friends establish monopolies in oil, chemicals,
pharmaceuticals, transportation, media,etc. and took a healthy stake. As you can imagine, these people are thick as thieves. Lawyers, journalists and
intellectuals all vie for a piece of the action. (Servicing this cartel of cartels is what passes for "success" these days.)

The bankers' first precaution is to buy all the politicians. The second is to buy the major media outlets in order to promote the illusion
politicians make decisions and represent our interests. The third precaution is to take control of the education system, ensuring that people stop
thinking at an early age.

Then the bankers use the government and media to convince us that religion, nationalism and nuclear family are unfashionable, and we want what they
want.

We "want" world government ("globalization"). The bankers need to eliminate nation states, freedom and democracy in order to streamline their
business and consolidate their power. The UN, the IMF and World Bank, -- glorified loan sharks and collectors -- will make the laws.

We "want" diversity. Countries are not allowed to maintain their national identities or traditions. Last Christmas, my provincial Premier tried to
rename the Christmas tree at the legislature a "multicultural tree." Diversity is respecting every culture but our own. Every nation must be
heterogeneous as a box of Smarties -- no one in a position to challenge the bankers.

Or take "feminism." Masquerading as equal rights for women, this ideology is designed to spread lesbian dysfunction. If women focus on careers, it
means they give less importance to husband and children. They have fewer or no children who will be raised in state day cares.

Under the guise of "womens" and "gay" rights we are being re engineered to behave like homosexuals, easier to control. Psychological and
biological differences between men and women are not "stereotypes." But signatories to the latest UN "CEDAW" Convention ( passed by the US Senate
Foreign Relations Committee) will be required to "take all appropriate measures to modify all social and cultural patterns of conduct of men and
women." (Article 5)

This kind of Communist-inspired social engineering is simply persecution of heterosexuals. It is intended to arrest our natural development: the birth
rate has halved while the divorce rate has doubled. An army of highly paid lawyers, social workers and bureaucrats treat the casualties. These
self-serving do-gooders are the bankers' biggest constituency.

People --stunted, love-starved, sex-obsessed -- without family, religious or national identity, are easy to control. (They'll join anything; they're
looking for a family.) But in case of resistance, the bankers have created a bogeyman, "terrorism" to justify a huge security apparatus.

The Office of Homeland Security is designed to control us -- the domestic population. Why would this be necessary? We're "in debt" trillions of
dollars and the bankers intend that we pay. One day they will take away our toys. In case that's a problem, an Orwellian police state will be in
place. But first,the Muslims must be subjugated and robbed.

Talking about the United States as if it were an independent country is silly. American politicians pawned U.S. sovereignty in 1913. Ever since, U.S.
soldiers have been bullyboys for international bankers, and nothing else.

SUPERPOWER AS BANKER GO'FER

The American taxpayer and soldier made the First World War possible. It started just six months after the establishment of the "Fed". Its purpose
was to increase debt, cripple the great European nation states, slaughter a generation, and establish two of the bankers' pet projects: Communism
(Russia) and Zionism (Palestine.) After the war ended, banker world government -- The League of Nations (a.k.a., "The League to Enforce Peace") was
established.

The US didn't enter the Second World War in Dec. 1941 to save Western Civilization. England had stood alone against Germany for more than two years.
The U.S. entered the war just six months after Hitler attacked Russia. The purpose was to save Communism! [I am indebted to A.K. Chesterton ("The New
Unhappy Lords," 1969) for this insight] For the same reason, the USSR got $5 billion in U.S. lend-lease after the war ended.

After the smoke cleared, Communists instead of Nazis tyrannized Eastern Europe. Soviet agents/ US diplomats Alger Hiss and Harry Hopkins established
the United Nations on land donated by John D. Rockefeller. One of the UN's first acts was to create the State of Israel.

Ben Hecht (in A Child of the Century) wrote "the Twentieth Century was cut off at its knees by World War One." Before committing suicide in 1942,
Stefan Zweig (The World of Yesterday) spoke in the same tones about the demise of Western Civilization.

The planet has been hijacked. Our leaders are dupes, opportunists, traitors or all three. Almost everything we know about modern history is a hoax. A
stench of moral compromise hangs over our public and cultural life. Anything promoted by the media, education, or government is suspect. This is what
happens when we deny Moral Order i.e. God.

This is what our children will inherit, a world that is safe ... for international bankers.

Originally posted by StrangeBrew
NovusOrdoMundi's comments are correct.

Definition of Zionism : A Jewish movement that arose in the late 19th century in response to growing anti-Semitism and sought to reestablish a
Jewish homeland in Palestine. Modern Zionism is concerned with the support and development of the state of Israel.

If the Rothschilds are Zionists, that means they are devoted to fighting anti-Jewish sentiments and they are also devoted to maintaining Israel
as a Jewish state (hence the term, Zionist refers to Mt. Zion).

Yet on the previous page NovusOrdoMundi agreed to the theory that the Rothschilds funded the German war machine and allowed millions of Jews to be
killed. How could be be Zionists if they were FOR the greatest anti-Jewish campaign in history, and if they knowningly cooperated in the deaths of
millions of jews?

Originally posted by StrangeBrew
Lastly, it almost seems like this breakdown is needed for some:
Anti-Zionist = good
Anti-Semite = bad
Neo-Nazi = bad
This film isn't remotely neo-Nazi. That doesn't even make sense.

It is as though they have agents everywhere. They have all the power. We have been conquered, not by military defeat and not by genius but through
their collective deceit. They have poisoned our hearts, our spirits, and our minds with their complete control over the media. Not all Jews of course,
but the extremist Jews. Jews nonetheless as they will call themselves. But they will also use their own Jewish Communities when
they try to push their own agendas.

So many of you wonder why people like myself seem to be obsessed with Jewish people. And you insist that they aren’t “the real” issue.
Now none of us should blame all of our problems on Jewish people, Zionists, whatever you want to call them. But we simply cannot overlook the
role they play in our collective demise.

Of course if you ever accuse Jewish people of anything, especially when they are guilty, they will call you an anti-Semite, which of course
makes you a Nazi and by extension an murder of millions.

Some great and very subtle graphics included in those videos too:

So let me just make sure I undestand this. Neo-Nazi’s are bad, the people that produce these videos and post those pictures are NOT neo-Nazis. And
their rants are NOT anti-Semetic, they are anti-Zionist, and they have no problems with Jews, just Zionists even though they seem to use the word Jew
frequently along with words like "deceitful and sneaky".

So I guess since y'all do NOT identify with Neo-Nazi's...cause they are bad, and this new movement is completely different, as you explained, well I
guess that means you won't be wearing the snazzy uniforms or learning to speak German huh?

Originally posted by Sonya610
Definition of Zionism : A Jewish movement that arose in the late 19th century in response to growing anti-Semitism and sought to reestablish a
Jewish homeland in Palestine. Modern Zionism is concerned with the support and development of the state of Israel.

Just because Zionism was started by some Jewish people doesnt mean all Jewish people are Zionists. Thus being against Zionism doesnt
equate anti-Semitism. It just means you are anti-Zionist. I do not have to agree with all Christian's beliefs about Christ, or their beliefs about
politics, to maintain a status as someone who is not "anti-Christian." It is kind of a dirty intellectual trick to say someone is racist because
they do not agree with an ideology some members of a particular ethnic group hold. The Nazi's sold their ideology as being good for whites, but it
doesnt mean I am "anti-white" because I think they were very, very wrong.

Originally posted by Sonya610
If the Rothschilds are Zionists, that means they are devoted to fighting anti-Jewish sentiments and they are also devoted to maintaining Israel
as a Jewish state (hence the term, Zionist refers to Mt. Zion).

Again, neo-Nazi's have a similar idea about protecting "the white race" from things they feel harm it, and would like to create a white state as
well, but I can dislike their agenda and disagree with them and not be anti-white.

Originally posted by Sonya610
Yet on the previous page NovusOrdoMundi agreed to the theory that the Rothschilds funded the German war machine and allowed millions of Jews to be
killed. How could be be Zionists if they were FOR the greatest anti-Jewish campaign in history, and if they knowningly cooperated in the deaths of
millions of jews?

Well, just to play devil's advocate, Zionism is about Zion, or Israel, not so much individual Jewish people. We are talking about a family that by
the accounts I have read seem quite comfortable making money and furthering their own ends via the death and suffering of many, many others.
If their end, or goal was to create the state of Israel, no matter how many Jewish people died in the process, they succeeded. They are not alone in
being willing to sacrifice millions of their own people to achieve personal gain and influence. Look at all the infamous world leaders. Stalin for
one example. It seems more par for the course in the mindset of those who seek extreme wealth and power than an anomaly.

Your point that the other videos posted by the same person display an anti-Semitic view is noted. I did not look at all of them, I just limited my
initial viewing to the one clip provided. I am not disagreeing with you that the individual who posted ALL the clips may have some ax to grind with
Jewish people in general. Only that anti-Zionism by itself is NOT anti-Semitic.

I thought the image of Mayer (sp?) Rothschild sniffing his gold in ecstasy in the little clip was a bit inflammatory and stereotypical. And the
continual wearing of the paupers clothing also seemed to further some prejudices about Jews being cheap hoarders. Just because something is a
stereotype, however, doesnt mean it isnt true for a specific individual. I will be the first of my Scots/Irish direct family in several generations
NOT to die of alcoholism, for instance, unless I take up drink in earnest tomorrow. Just because my Scots/Irish family has had a drinking problem
does not mean ALL Scots/Irish people do. However just because there is a stereotype about Scots/Irish people drinking themselves silly doesnt mean it
isnt true in SOME cases.

Yes, and to be honest I am anti-zionist. But I also recognize over the top propoganda even if the initial video was "soft selling" it to lure in the
masses.

I would have far more respect for white nationalists or Nazi sympathizers that were HONEST about their beliefs and agenda, rather than this $^% that
promotes a hateful message, along with pictures of hooked nosed, dirty looking jews groveling over their gold, yet tries to pass it off as
"educational and pc".

White pride (as I am part Cherokee) is not my stance or thought!
Pride of any persons is wrong.
Zionism (according to the Old Testament and Talmud) when practiced as a military and social structure is VERY dangerous.
Jesus said, "My kingdom is Not of this world, else would my servants fight."
Genocide of non-jews in the Old Testament is real. It was against the rebel Babylonian-cults and even God had a point of grace extended to gentiles
(Jonah and Nineveh)

Gentiles are allowed (even muslims) to have salvation and forgiveness from God.
To want a nation of Israel is good, but, when was the last time Norway wanted to take out switzerland or take away land from iceland
little-by-little?
Or run over students from the U.S. with a bulldozer? Rachel Corrie

I know there are extremist muslims.
I don't like it either, but, if you look at palestine in pre-Israel days, Muslims were VERY moderate and there was more peace among the different
religions.

Rothschilds famously stated : " Give me your country's banks to run, and I care not which fool you elect to govern you" sounds lovely.....but their
banks now own these politicians, so he got two....for the price of one, hahaha you suckers

Oh dear... I said one post. I'm going to give in though because I think I can help you with your misconceptions.

Originally posted by Sonya610
Definition of Zionism : A Jewish movement that arose in the late 19th century in response to growing anti-Semitism and sought to reestablish a
Jewish homeland in Palestine. Modern Zionism is concerned with the support and development of the state of Israel.
If the Rothschilds are Zionists, that means they are devoted to fighting anti-Jewish sentiments and they are also devoted to maintaining Israel
as a Jewish state (hence the term, Zionist refers to Mt. Zion).

You're still confused with Zionism. It is the support and development of the state of Israel as a Jewish state. This means a state belonging to a
people based on religion.

Originally posted by Sonya610
Yet on the previous page NovusOrdoMundi agreed to the theory that the Rothschilds funded the German war machine and allowed millions of Jews to be
killed. How could be be Zionists if they were FOR the greatest anti-Jewish campaign in history, and if they knowingly cooperated in the deaths of
millions of Jews?

This is a good question. Here's the answer. They really could careless about those lives lost. The holocaust was a major reason that Israel was given
to the Jewish people after WWII by the allies and the British Empire. Make no mistake though, the land (Palestine) was slated to be given to the
Jewish people after WWI (see Rothschild in British parliament) however, it didn't happen as planned. It took something like the holocaust to happen
for the kind of worldwide sympathy needed to give a country to a people based on religion. This time mission accomplished immediately. It's also
important to note the Rothschild's weren't by any means the only people funding both sides of the war.

Originally posted by Sonya610

Not all Jews of course, but the extremist Jews. Jews nonetheless as they will call themselves. But they will also use their own
Jewish Communities when they try to push their own agendas.

Extremist Jews could be referred to as Zionists, sure. However, not all Jews are Zionists. Not all of them believe they are entitled to the land of
Israel. Unfortunately many mistakenly believe that they are.

Originally posted by Sonya610
So many of you wonder why people like myself seem to be obsessed with Jewish people. And you insist that they aren’t “the real” issue.
Now none of us should blame all of our problems on Jewish people, Zionists, whatever you want to call them. But we simply cannot overlook the
role they play in our collective demise.

Once again, Jewish people and Zionists are very different.

Originally posted by Sonya610
So let me just make sure I understand this. Neo-Nazi’s are bad, the people that produce these videos and post those pictures are NOT neo-Nazis. And
their rants have NOTHING to do with Jewish people even though they seem to talk a LOT about Jewish people and love to use words like "deceitful and
sneaky".

I'm not saying there isn't a lot of confusion between Jewish and Zionist. I can also believe how some may get too consumed with anti-Zionism that it
can unrightfully spills into anti-Semitism. It still makes it incorrect.

Originally posted by Sonya610
That video is obviously produced as Neo-Nazi propoganda.And yes the Rothchilds are a very wealthy family and they have been for a long time, like all
wealthy families they are involved in all sorts of things.

I guess because the video left out the Swastika, and simply used words like "Zionist" that makes it perfectly acceptable to all the posters here.
Usually anything of a less than pc nature brings forth more criticism.

[edit on 20-7-2008 by Sonya610]

Edit to add:

That seems to be a unresearched viewpoint. I dont blame you. The education system is not the greatest. The internet is great tho. Use diligence
tho.

[snip]

Are you forgetting that the Bush family help create hitler and profited directly from the killing of Jews, Chinese, Russians and other good
people?

Are you forgetting that its these same people that used WMD's on japanese civilians twice?

Are you forgetting that the Palestinians were removed from the land with force becuase the wanted a new banking state and call it Israel?

Actually, Sonya has some good points. If someone were not interested in conducting some Jew-bashing, that entire clip could have been made with
absolutely no reference to the Rothschilds religion. It is of no consequence to me that these particular abusers of wealth and power happen to be
Jewish. I am interested in them as an individual person who began this dynasty and as a family that continues it.

The Bush's are not Jewish, as far as I know, yet as you point out they are engaging in the same behavior. Stalin as far as I know wasnt a practicing
Jew. It seems to me that narcissism and extreme sociopathic behavior doesnt limit itself to members of any particular religion or ethnicity.

Sonya was just more sensitive to the imagery the clip used to depict Mayer (sp?) Rothschild and had a greater understanding that stereotypes were
being used than some of us did. It doesnt mean the point of the whole clip was wrong, about the Rothschilds that is, but if the maker was trying to
stir up anti-Semitic sentiment by using those specific images, that would be pretty shabby. They were not necessary to make the point about the
Rothschilds.

Originally posted by StrangeBrew
Oh dear... I said one post. I'm going to give in though because I think I can help you with your misconceptions.

No I am NOT confused. If it was about "Zionism" and not JEWS then why on earth would the videos keep using the word JEWS and posting hateful
pictures about JEWS????

I am truly shocked. I can't believe that "mainstream" posters on ATS can look at the pix I posted, read the TEXT that came from the same collection
of videos, and somehow think terminology makes all the difference in the world.

I did not cast judgment, let the reader of history do that. All I did was offer an optional direction for research.

Agreed, most of the elite do not practice their religion openly. But when their religious book, the Babylonian Talmud teaches that they are Gods onto
themselves, religion becomes nothing to them, or the morals, if any.

It is the "Jews" themselves that claim this heritage, except those that are known as "Morrano". And I agree, Judaism is only a cover religion, it
appears.
I can not help that most, if not all of the Global "Owners", or as you call them "Elite", are those impostors that call themselves Jews, who are
in fact, not.

List of the "Owners" of the Federal Reserve, not complete.

" 1. Rothschilds of London and Berlin
2. Lazard Brothers of Paris
3. Israel Moses Seaf of Italy
4. Kuhn, Loeb & Co. of Germany and New York
5. Warburg & Company of Hamburg, Germany
6. Lehman Brothers of New York
7. Goldman, Sachs of New York
8. Rockefeller Brothers of New York

All of the above listed men are Jews. Note that ALL are also "foreign" with established headquarters in Europe even the ones in New York are only
"branches" of European establishments. There are an additional three hundred people, approximately, mostly relatives, who hold stock or shares, and
they comprise the ownership of this monster, the massive wealth of which is beyond man's comprehension"

Originally posted by StrangeBrew
Oh dear... I said one post. I'm going to give in though because I think I can help you with your misconceptions.

No I am NOT confused. If it was about "Zionism" and not JEWS then why on earth would the videos keep using the word JEWS and posting hateful
pictures about JEWS????

I am truly shocked. I can't believe that "mainstream" posters on ATS can look at the pix I posted, read the TEXT that came from the same collection
of videos, and somehow think terminology makes all the difference in the world.

Okay, that's fine. You can continue to stay non-confused. I'm pretty well done here now. I was sincerely trying to help. The reason being is that I
basically had your exact attitude a couple years ago before I learned better. Now I'm utterly embarrassed and ashamed I held that attitude.

Answer : The Rothschilds, are those, that your mummy was referring to as " Bulluloos" when she wanted to put you off to sleep.....hey, watch
out, the
" Bulluloos" are out there, better go off to sleep. It was true then....and it is true today, except that you just cannot go off to sleep, because
the usury meter is ticking faster, harder and bigger.

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