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Jewell,The only purpose is to realize God and Love him.Here is an excerpt from The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna:

"Siva was seated in Kailas. His companion Nandi was near Him. Suddenly a terrific noisearose. 'Revered Sir,' asked Nandi, 'what does that mean?' Siva said: 'Ravana is born. That isits meaning.' A few moments later another terrific noise was heard. 'Now what is thisnoise?' Nandi asked. Siva said with a smile, 'Now Ravana is dead. Birth and death are likemagic: you see the magic for a second and then it disappears. God alone is real and all elseunreal. Water alone is real; its bubbles appear and disappear. They disappear into the verywater from which they rise."Namaskar.

I just want to convey again as a good friend, i do not have absolutely anything person against you. my persistence in debating with you is to only bring to your awareness the dangers of traps of knowledge. I do not deny you do come up with good pointers of truth, but it is evident that you are caught up rather strongly in possessing knowledge, if you can only give up the sprouting owner in your, it will be sweet and nice, more than to anybody else to your own good self.

Once Paul Brunton asked Bhagavan Ramana:

"To attain enlghtenment, should I give up all possessions?" Bh: "Give up the possessor too!"

There will be an ocean of paradigm shift if you present your expressions as such a one. Why all these speeches in trying to enlighten everybody else? Why engage in illusive speeches of pointers to others? when Others themselves are illusions ultimately?

Just request you to introspect for your own self in the millions of other pointers, i hope you may consider this for your own good

"Explaining" , the "one who is explaining" and the "explained to" are all three mithya.Self neither explains nor is the teacher or student.one who knows he is the Self is comfortable with explaining as well as remaining mute! and he is also clear as to the difference between he who knows and he who does not know ... coz they are all mithya. vyavaharika. and mithya does not vanish upon jnana.

No. Jnana Viheena Sarvamathena, bhajati na muktim janma shatena. One without jnana, what ever religious system he practises, will not find liberation even in a 100 births.Lets not discuss this here however. These are like my musings ... if they seem dry to some its ok.

What jnana you are talking about? can you please elaborate the Jnana? what is the basis of your saying 'NO'

When you said "Brahma-atma-aikyam" is jnanam/bhakti ...what do you mean ?Who needs this ?Self ? Which is ever one with Brahma-atma-aikyam does not need it.Body ? Does not need it !so you are left with mind... plz tell me ...

यस्य For whom देवे to God परा भक्तिःSupreme devotionयथा देवे as to God तथा So गुरौ To the Master ।तस्यैते To that [high souled] one कथिता expounded ह्यर्थाः these truths प्रकाशन्ते shine महात्मनः to that high souled॥प्रकाशन्ते महात्मन इति shine as High Soul indeed.

These truths, when taught, shine forth only in that high-souled one who has Supreme Devotion to God, and an equal degree of devotion the Spiritual Master. They shine forth in that High-Souled one only.

Nagaraj/Friends,What is Brahma-atma aikya?What is Brahma?What is atma?What is aikya? I thought ,let me also use my rusty reasoning and give it some work.

Reminded of a painting competition where children participated.All but one child were busy Drawing and then colouring and when the time was up ,they handed over their painting to the teacher.One child which just did not use either pencil or colour handed over a Blank sheet.On being questioned,she said that she had drawn a Goat with Grass and aTiger?On being further questioned she said,'Yes,The Goat had eaten the Grass and the Tiger sprang on the Goat and has carried it away;Now nothing is left to be seen'.Namaskar.

Dear Nagaraj, Please also explain that to us in simple english Because I did not read this upanishad.and more importantly a upanishad study means i have to look into what shankara says there.so you can express your exact view on this. that would be good. question is single pointed: who gets brahma-atma-aikyam ?body, mind or Self ... or anything else ! like a ghost may be ?

Please take time and see what Shankara has to say. Just to let you know that Adi Shankara called this Upanishad as the Mantra Upanishad. A key feature of the Svetasvatara Upanishad is its emphasis on the bhakti or Upasana aspect to realise the Supreme. It has passages allied in thought to the Sankhya Yoga, with the Upanishad laying equal stress on jnana, bhakt and other spiritual paths.

I do not have any personal view Udai, i am just re-producing as it is, i do not try to instill my own personal views on upanishads, any personal views, I occasionally express in my thread "My Musings"

यस्य For whom देवे to God परा भक्तिःSupreme devotionयथा देवे as to God तथा So गुरौ To the Master ।तस्यैते To that [high souled] one कथिता expounded ह्यर्थाः these truths प्रकाशन्ते shine महात्मनः to that high souled॥प्रकाशन्ते महात्मन इति shine as High Soul indeed.

These truths, when taught, shine forth only in that high-souled one who has Supreme Devotion to God, and an equal degree of devotion the Spiritual Master. They shine forth in that High-Souled one only.

What is Brahma-atma aikya?What is Brahma?What is atma?What is aikya? I thought ,let me also use my rusty reasoning and give it some work.

Reminded of a painting competition where children participated.All but one child were busy Drawing and then colouring and when the time was up ,they handed over their painting to the teacher.One child which just did not use either pencil or colour handed over a Blank sheet.On being questioned,she said that she had drawn a Goat with Grass and aTiger?On being further questioned she said,'Yes,The Goat had eaten the Grass and the Tiger sprang on the Goat and has carried it away;Now nothing is left to be seen'.

only the child is left to disappear further , perhaps, upon handing over the paper to the teacher, he is no more to be seen

Friends,Let us keep things simple.Bhakti is the love and attraction that one feels towards God who is more oneself than oneself!Even if it be dualistic,what is the problem?Absolutely none.Jnana is to be aware of the presence of the one we love.Magnetic poles are two but magnetic field is one.Such is jiva Brahma aikya.This is how Sri Ramakrishna puts it simply :"The mind is like a needle covered with mud, and God is like amagnet. The needle cannot be united with the magnet unless it is free from mud. Tearswash away the mud, which is nothing but lust, anger, greed, and other evil tendencies, andthe inclination to worldly enjoyments as well. As soon as the mud is washed away, themagnet attracts the needle, that is to say, man realizes God. Only the pure in heart see God".