Like is the final sports education not redundant since people pay for runaways? or is most of the Law not redundant since you are never in jail long enough to bust or buy yourself out let alone anyone else? why does it take so long to complete them when they mean nothing?

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Posted to on 22:41:31 - 29/07/14 (8 month ago)

Becuz merits.

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Posted to on 22:56:09 - 29/07/14 (8 month ago)

That would be a fine argument if said merits weren't spent on things that cant be gained from education, is education not suppose to give us a boost that others who didn't do them not have? how is "Gain two bonuses: Busting is 50% easier and buying is 50% cheaper" useful if ,for the last year, no one has been in jail long enough to bust or buy? <<-- that alone is about 6 months waste for a special that means nothing

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Posted to on 23:01:38 - 29/07/14 (8 month ago)

I don't know if redundant is the correct word, but some aren't really worth a whole lot cause of certain aspects of the game. †I suppose they are set up in the hopes that those aspects eventually get corrected some and become more worthwhile. † A lot of the education classes become kinda worthless or of lesser value as you get stronger. †Still though, it's not like you have to invest a whole lot to do the education classes. †Even if you keep getting the drug boot, monetarily and from an e spent aspect, you don't spend a lot. †With the exception of the dual course. †And in that case the item you receive is always gonna be a greater value than the $100 mil or whatever to take it.

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Posted to on 23:21:59 - 29/07/14 (8 month ago)

I'm going to state the obvious here. †Educations were designed a long time ago (prior to my age), and most likely...even longer. †So that's over 2 years ago. †Expecting these old educations to stay relevant for such a long time span is a rather big expectation considering how old this game is and the important fact that they were not modified or updated at any point in this time. †At least in my opinion.

I'm going to state the obvious here. †Educations were designed a long time ago (prior to my age), and most likely...even longer. †So that's over 2 years ago. †Expecting these old educations to stay relevant for such a long time span is a rather big expectation considering how old this game is. †At least in my opinion.

But two years ago they were relevant because the jail was always full and "runaways" was luck not a choice,† they aren't relevant now since when they were created they had a purpose but since then shit is allowed to make them irrelevant so they have no purpose

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Posted to on 23:40:27 - 29/07/14 (8 month ago)

If Ched took away the exclusivity of access to the museum and let everyone access it before the education and no one had to rely on flower buyers to pay their bills anymore I'm willing to bet 30% of you with museum access would be f**ked because the stock that feeds you could fend for themselves

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Posted to on 00:03:37 - 30/07/14 (8 month ago)

I agree and disagree with you. †With the Law degree as a person who does PA OCs this is very useful. †I am pretty patient with my bust attempts to not over due it, and I have nearly a 9-1 ratio of success to jailing from busting, and I have seen stats that are close to 12-1 on some people. †When I was busting just for giggles when I first started I did 500 busts at a ratio of 3-1. †I have less than 4000 busts now, so my real ratio now is probably like 10-1. †That is a very nice savings of energy. †Yes the jail is mostly empty, but it is not that bad if you are really focusing on it.

As far as the runaway "bonus," this has gone from redundant to counterproductive. †It makes me wish that for the bachelors you could choose between a few specials like a focus in your studies. †I have zero interest in that merit until I get at least a few of the runaway merits. †Another one is the fist damage bonus. †Isn't that what melee weapons are for? †That is truly redundant, but at least it does not have a negative impact like the other one does.

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Posted to on 01:02:23 - 30/07/14 (8 month ago)

@MadameButterfly "2 years ago they were relevant"

You're basically highlighting the points of my argument...which was if you ONLY look back roughly two years there have already BEEN "redundant" and "unnecessary" courses that almost serve no purpose.

I can't speak of game play prior to 2 years ago, because I wasn't playing. †

Examples:

Runaways haven't been luck based HAF3111:†Bachelor of Health Sciences was already bad for it even 2 years ago while I just started playing

Any course that offers nothing but working stat gain (there on average 3 per bachelor). † Already lackluster prior to Company update(along with the General Education Bachelors).

LAW3102:†Bachelor of Law(50% easier busts) -† still probably quite relevant for those that actually manage to bust people in jail(i.e. PA Busters), just because you never find anyone in the jail does not mean it is not being put to use by someone more active.

LAW2900:†Common Law replaced by†Lawyer Business Card since its creation

Intermediate & Advanced Biochemistry Gain a bonus of 10% to medical item effectiveness (Both Courses are bad if you are trying to unlock the Meds used merit)

HIS2160:†Ancient Japanese History is bad if you plan on getting dual weapons via education

Law of Property -†5% discount is a joke now that property market has crashed/HRG stock/time

MTH2310:†Discrete Mathematics &†MTH3330†- bad unless you like gimping yourself by using ranged weapons, completely outstat your opponent, or defending with a shotgun, or have a Golden AK

CMT3620:†Bachelor of Computer Science - If you like scamming, harassing i guess?

DEF3770:†Master of Self Defense - +100%†fist dmg is probably bad for stalemates until you get a pillow, without knowing the base hit % using fists this probably will continue to get ignored

DEF2720:†Kick Boxing -†Pretty sure kicking has be used the least out of most attack options, (might see use in new attack system)

Again, all of this was available for the past 2 years. †Some courses remain relevant sure, but a lot have been irrelevant or extraneous even if you only look back 2 years.

I wouldn't say shit is allowed. †Lack of development and updates, which Ched already knows about and is hopefully designing an update for..."soon" †

Why would you be surprised by the increase in useless courses when they haven't been updated in over 2 years as everything else gets updated? That makes no sense, you would expect every education to be come obsolete as the game ages.

Suggest an education update? people are completing all the educations and some of them are a tad silly or even counter-intuitive to some degree. I think its long overdue for a revamp.

as for bust/bails...as unpopular as this idea may be, we may need to just nerf the exp gained from busting and, at the same time, provide alternative things to spend energy on that increases crime exp. I think with the factions update, territories would be a prime opportunity to make special actions available for owning particular areas. Jail's a joke because the busting is so good, not because no one is going to jail.

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Posted to on 05:12:57 - 30/07/14 (8 month ago)

If there is going to be any education update or revamp , as there should be , I think it should be after Torn 2.0 is complete so that the new education system is as relevant as possible , and it should be expandable , like Chedburn says the other things will be.

I think it may take at least an year for Education 3.0 to be released

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Posted to on 05:14:54 - 30/07/14 (8 month ago)

I find pretty much every education from law relevant to me, I bust a lot and would not be able to even come close to the amount I can do without law.

Even bailing myself serves a purpose, there's still a random element to being caught, if I am caught when I definitely know I'm not yet at my busting limit I'm able to quickly bail myself and retry to bust a person I failed at & others before someone else can get them. Being able to bail myself increases the amount of busts I can do.

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Posted to on 06:02:12 - 30/07/14 (8 month ago)

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My point is there are some educations that are now redundant

Okay some education courses are redundant...now what?

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Posted to on 07:03:25 - 30/07/14 (8 month ago)

No one is forced to take education courses.† Some are more useful than others, just like real life :)

And I'm not sure if you're suggesting that people should just be able to buy museum access but I like the idea that some things still have to be 'earned' through putting in the time rather than just bought

19 days left on Law Degree (Pending edu kick which I'm super paranoid about)

I couldn't agree more about how much waste there was in the law courses - Way longer than the other courses

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Posted to on 08:46:41 - 02/08/14 (7 month ago)

The education system was put in place many years ago, the game has changed since then.

Hopefully a new education system will be brought in soon

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Posted to on 13:55:26 - 02/08/14 (7 month ago)

I completed the anonymous mail course a few weeks back. It was a pointless course to begin with but now that you can see quite clearly who can send you anonymous mail- it's completely and utterly redundant.†

I hope they fix it so that they're anonymous again, I think it would be fun to have anonymous conversations with people.

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Posted to on 14:16:23 - 02/08/14 (7 month ago)

Loads of the education courses are useless, but shit gotta be done to get those merits.

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Posted to on 14:16:25 - 02/08/14 (7 month ago)

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I completed the anonymous mail course a few weeks back. It was a pointless course to begin with but now that you can see quite clearly who can send you anonymous mail- it's completely and utterly redundant.†

I hope they fix it so that they're anonymous again, I think it would be fun to have anonymous conversations with people.

I reported it twice and it was supposed to be fixed twice but it wasn't, I gave up on it after that.