tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post6407751273733988701..comments2015-08-01T14:48:02.421+01:00Comments on separated by a common language: bogy, bogey, boogie, boogerlynneguisthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10171345732985610861noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-1014628737874242462012-09-01T01:20:53.218+01:002012-09-01T01:20:53.218+01:00According to the OED, &#39;buggy&#39; (in the carr...According to the OED, &#39;buggy&#39; (in the carriage sense) first appeared in 1773. Although the etymology is unknown, it is conjectured to be related to bogie.<br /><br />Gentleman&#39;s Magazine: &quot;Driving a post coach and four against a single horse chaise, throwing out the driver of it, and breaking the chaise to pieces..ludicrously denominating mischief of this kind, ‘Running down the Buggies’.&quot;Gracehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14644859183662353936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-14003084311811155262012-08-19T20:53:31.682+01:002012-08-19T20:53:31.682+01:00This here copy of Chambers English Dictionary says...This here copy of Chambers English Dictionary says of the golfing bogey:<br /><br />&quot;[…] The score, for a given hole or for the whole course, of an imaginary good player, Colonel Bogey, fixed as a standard: the bogey can be higher than par or sometimes equivalent to it, now usually a score of one stroke above the par for any hole.&quot;<br /><br />I think originally the relation between bogey and par was an indicator of the difficulty of the hole.<br />enitharmonhttp://enitharmon.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-190862671150006032011-05-29T14:16:41.376+01:002011-05-29T14:16:41.376+01:00My two-year-old daughter has learnt &quot;booger&q...My two-year-old daughter has learnt &quot;booger&quot; from her American mother. She pronounces it exactly as my Yorkshire parents would pronounce &quot;bugger&quot;, though they rarely stoop to such language. I&#39;m looking forward to seeing their reaction when they first hear her say it - I&#39;m fairly sure they won&#39;t know the American word, so they will assume our daughter is swearing in good broad Yorkshire.<br /><br />Such mutual incomprehensiveness makes several decent puns unworkable on the wrong side of the Atlantic. In the British children&#39;s book Fungus the Bogeyman, bogey = snot but bogeyman = troll, monster, etc. In the Joni Mitchell song God Must Be a Boogieman, boogie refers to music while boogieman also suggests a frightening or unbelievable ghost.John Garthhttp://www.johngarth.co.uknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-39205561459191537212011-02-06T16:12:06.411+00:002011-02-06T16:12:06.411+00:00The &quot;bogey&quot; as &quot;par&quot; dates fro...The &quot;bogey&quot; as &quot;par&quot; dates from the early days of golf (and refers to a &quot;ghost player&quot; to match scores with). When gutta perca (sp?) balls were replaced with modern ones, the ideal score went down, and they had to invent a new term (thus &quot;par&quot; displaced bogey as the average).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-74214042253876349372009-02-18T18:30:00.000+00:002009-02-18T18:30:00.000+00:00Apropos of bogeys, boogers, and other things that ...Apropos of bogeys, boogers, and other things that come out of your nose, my husband generally calls them "snobs". He spent a lot of his childhood in Australia -- is this an Oz term?<BR/><BR/>"Snobs" has the advantage (as far as I can make out) of referring equally to discrete solid objects or to blots of liquid substance.<BR/><BR/>And yes, this is probably the most disgusting thread on this blog.Robbienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-16575000666915523102008-11-27T18:50:00.000+00:002008-11-27T18:50:00.000+00:00In any generic "northern" BrE accent I think your ...In any generic "northern" BrE accent I think your "booger" would match "bugger". - Hence we would also avoid your pronunciation of "boogie".<BR/><BR/>(As a southerner in Manchester one of the weird shifts in pronunciation is how my "buck" gets pronounced by them as I would pronounce "book", and they then pronounce "book" to match your ghostly "boo".)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-16266267573930375482008-02-11T22:40:00.000+00:002008-02-11T22:40:00.000+00:00that is, in a Lancashire accent, it sounds like bu...that is, in a Lancashire accent, it sounds like <I>bugger</I>?lynneguisthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10171345732985610861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-72548665783251190342008-02-11T22:26:00.000+00:002008-02-11T22:26:00.000+00:00My mother-in-law is from Oldham and she will not a...My mother-in-law is from Oldham and she will not allow the word BOOGER in her house. After years of asking her to tell me she finally said that in Lancashire they use that term for bestiality.Poqui Moquihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12584501606760972424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-12269385179473634772007-11-04T06:31:00.000+00:002007-11-04T06:31:00.000+00:00All this discussion of bogies and not a single men...All this discussion of bogies and not a single mention of Humphrey Bogart?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-54123285764307309592007-09-27T23:30:00.000+01:002007-09-27T23:30:00.000+01:00the 'A kind of cart with low wheels and long shaft...the 'A kind of cart with low wheels and long shafts' bit reminds me of a teacher taking assembly one day at junior school. He was from SUnderland and for some reason it was all about go-karts. I'm sure the only reason he did it so he could say "bogey" a lot to a large group of giggling pre-teens.<BR/><BR/>This meaning is also used to describe the base of a railway carriage.DeeDubyahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02787109203736547656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-50921644994125710202007-09-26T22:51:00.000+01:002007-09-26T22:51:00.000+01:00There's an old Weird Al Yankovic song -- for the u...There's an old Weird Al Yankovic song -- for the unfamiliar, he's an American singer best known for his parodies of pop songs, though AFAIK this one is an original -- done in a disco style which starts off:<BR/><BR/>Gotta boogie<BR/>Gotta boogie<BR/>Gotta boogie<BR/>Gotta boogie on my finger and I can't shake it off<BR/><BR/>And of course it goes on to describe the many ways in which he fails to remove the "boogie" (booger) from his finger.Chris C.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-56517591773366506472007-09-26T13:24:00.000+01:002007-09-26T13:24:00.000+01:00I did just think of an American (or atleast milita...I did just think of an American (or atleast military American) usage of "boey" in the sense of "par." At least in the Air Force budgeting process, a bogey is the target budget number a program or set of programs is given by the planning and programming shop. It may be related to the radar usage if you think of it as a target.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-90002217400886259452007-09-22T10:52:00.000+01:002007-09-22T10:52:00.000+01:00My dear, dear, dear Cameron, surely it is unnecess...My dear, dear, dear Cameron, surely it is unnecessarily <A HREF="http://separatedbyacommonlanguage.blogspot.com/2007/07/patronisze.html" REL="nofollow">patroni{s/z}ing</A> in any dialect to use a term of endearment to correct someone you've not met in a public forum, is it not? ;)<BR/><BR/>Anyhow, I didn't see my comment as contradicting you, but as giving you credit for raising the point about the non-northernness of the term earlier (though not as extreme a point north-south-wise as we later had evidence for). <BR/><BR/>Interface, the last examples that the OED has for <I>bog(e)y</I>-'bathing place' are from the 1940s, so it could well have died out or be more geographically/age-limited now. Here's one of the last citations for it:<BR/>"1945 -- <I>Austral. Lang.</I> xiii. 223 Then there are the aboriginal words which we have borrowed and extended in meaning, e.g. <I>bogie</I> or <I>bogey</I>, to bathe, from which we have taken <I>bogiehole</I>, a swimming hole, <I>bogiehouse</I>, a bathroom, and <I>bogieing</I>, bathing." <BR/><BR/>It seems to have been used in meanings related both to bathing in the 'swimming' sense and in the 'cleaning' sense (given the 'bathroom' reference in the quotation).<BR/><BR/>I wondered whether this could be related to the surfing equipment <I><B>boogie boards</I></B> (since there's a lot of surfing in Australia), but the OED lists that as originally AmE and related to the music/dance sense of <I>boogie</I>.lynneguisthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10171345732985610861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-47886080533426114482007-09-22T02:06:00.000+01:002007-09-22T02:06:00.000+01:00My dear, dear Lynne, I certainly was not claiming ...My dear, dear Lynne, I certainly was not claiming that anything was more southern than Newcastle. Glasgow could not be described so, at least not accurately. <BR/><BR/>But it's okay, you're foreign and don't know any better.Cameronnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-61348258392945567772007-09-22T02:02:00.000+01:002007-09-22T02:02:00.000+01:00As an Australian of 56 years standing, I have to s...As an Australian of 56 years standing, I have to say I have never heard a bath called a bogey. And it isn't listed in any local slang dictionary.Interfacehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10270650386605534373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-75586641097453386562007-09-21T18:08:00.000+01:002007-09-21T18:08:00.000+01:00You're not contradicting what I meant, Peter, thou...You're not contradicting what I meant, Peter, though you may be interpreting the word 'ghost' differently from how I meant it. I meant that it was a spooky unknown thing...lynneguisthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10171345732985610861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-452869149141196582007-09-21T17:10:00.000+01:002007-09-21T17:10:00.000+01:00Lynne, sorry to contradict: a “bogey” was a defini...Lynne, sorry to contradict: a “bogey” was a definite blip normally indicating an aircraft, whose identity was not known. Very occasionally there were very brief almost ethereal signals, which were probably caused by flock of birds, insects or metrological conditions and these were known as “angels”.Peterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13478343480167882044noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-88925682201970328462007-09-21T11:50:00.000+01:002007-09-21T11:50:00.000+01:00Joe, I think the radar meaning for bogey is the sa...Joe, I think the radar meaning for <I>bogey</I> is the same as the 'spooky thing' meaning that's found in <I>bogeyman</I>. It's a 'ghost' in the radar.<BR/><BR/>Howard, OED doesn't know where <I>bogie</I> ('cart') comes from--but says it's clearly not related to <I>bog(e)y</I> since that word came to the North later. (Backing up Cameron's claim above that it's more southern.)lynneguisthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10171345732985610861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-41602727384566202112007-09-21T11:39:00.000+01:002007-09-21T11:39:00.000+01:00I'm wondering: is 'bogie' in the sense of 'cart' o...I'm wondering: is 'bogie' in the sense of 'cart' or 'train's wheeled assembly' is etymologically related to 'buggy', meaning a horse-drawn or human-pushed carriage?Howardhttp://www.ukusforum.com/index.phpnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-50257437943364040602007-09-21T09:28:00.000+01:002007-09-21T09:28:00.000+01:00I served as an RAF radar operator in the late1950’...I served as an RAF radar operator in the late1950’s and the word “bogey”(an unidentified blip) was seldom used. I think it was considered “naff” or pretentious among conscript airman to use RAF slang as it would not do to appear to be entering in the spirit and you had to maintain your stance that you were in the RAF under protest! It was just before the cold War hotted-up, so we were not too busy and often the Fighter Controller would be standing next to you with a mug of tea in his hand and if you saw a “blip” you would just say ”Sir, I have something here”. If there was a separate plotting room, if I remember correctly, you would just commence reading out the position and it was up to the Fighter Controller to designate the “blip” friendly or hostile. Furthermore “bogey” probably originated in the USAF. However there was (and I believe there still is) a tradition going back to the Battle of Britain and when practicing interceptions pilots would often say “Tally-ho” or “bandit at 1o’clock” etc. when they had visual contact with their target and I am sure despite all the technological advances somebody, who worked in a wartime control room, would still feel at home in a modern radar station.Peterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13478343480167882044noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-19840729188751279022007-09-21T03:36:00.000+01:002007-09-21T03:36:00.000+01:00Joe: I think that in "bogey at six o'clock", the b...Joe: I think that in "bogey at six o'clock", the bogey is an enemy or unknown/sinister craft (i.e. ghost, goblin, scary creature).<BR/><BR/>My personal reverse-engineering of the "bogey"/"par" distinction is that "bogey" is a good score for an average weekend hacker (say an 18-handicapper), while "par" is a good score for a strong player (off scratch).mollymoolynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-23677857404541261512007-09-21T03:17:00.000+01:002007-09-21T03:17:00.000+01:00Another meaning for bogey is "blip on the radar sc...Another meaning for bogey is "blip on the radar screen". For example, during a movie scene involving warplanes you might hear dialogue like "Bogey at 6 o'clock". How does this meaning relate to the others, and is it known in Great Britain?Joenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-52926396411204098532007-09-21T01:32:00.000+01:002007-09-21T01:32:00.000+01:00Meant to add: the trans-Atlantic distinction isn't...Meant to add: the trans-Atlantic distinction isn't quite so clear-cut, since some AmE speakers say [bugi] instead of [bʊgi] for "boogie (woogie)", particularly in the Upper Midwest. I believe the [bugi] pronunciation used to be quite widespread among (white) Americans (listen to the Andrews Sisters' "Boogie Woogie Bugle Boy"), but [bʊgi] took over with the popularization of "boogie" (in music/dance senses) in the '60s and '70s. More discussion in <A HREF="http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usage.english/browse_thread/thread/62b9ad83b0799a7f/f43978cf2b51148b#f43978cf2b51148b" REL="nofollow">this</A> alt.usage.english thread.Ben Zimmerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02927962158447853691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-41777083734770508632007-09-20T21:55:00.000+01:002007-09-20T21:55:00.000+01:00US and some European train/rail cars/carriages hav...US and some European train/rail cars/carriages have an assembly called a bogie on either end that usually has either four or six wheels. The assembly rotates to allow the vehicle to round curves at speed. The wheels thereon are bogie wheels.<BR/><BR/>Additionally, tracked armored vehicles have unpowered wheels that support some of the weight of the vehicle and keep the track aligned between the sprocketed wheels at the front and rear of the track. These are also called bogies or bogie wheels.<BR/><BR/>MW 10C has additional senses that I'd not previously heard:<BR/><BR/>"1 : a low strongly built cart"<BR/><BR/>2 "b : the driving-wheel assembly consisting of the rear four wheels of a 6-wheel automotive truck"<BR/><BR/>FWIW, the etymology of this sense of "bogie" is "[origin unknown] 1835".Doug Sundsethhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01848091504066560951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28787909.post-39471231762121125032007-09-20T20:50:00.000+01:002007-09-20T20:50:00.000+01:00I was obliged to play golf when young. The old Br...I was obliged to play golf when young. The old British meaning of bogey was not one-over-par - that was viewed as an American error - but par-ish.deariemenoreply@blogger.com