Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

One last question before I go back to listening from afar. Did you 'know' that you would meet your girlfriend at that point of time? forgive me if this was already asked.

Edit*I ask because I have a feeling about a girl. Don't laugh Chaol! ha

Quoting: Issius Ulmonus

Quoting: Issius Ulmonus

care to say hi and see where it leads?

Quoting: Chaol

It's not like that at all, we hang out at least every other weekend. It's just that whenever i'm around her everything is so convenient. Like everything just falls into place. Ah I don't know, like I said just a feeling ha.

Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

Yes, I switched my goal to Wealth. Then, I purchased a lottery ticket as the symbol. I didn't make a symbol because you told me once it's better to get something new to you.[snips]

Quoting: Unit3

To create something new, rather than get something new.

(tuuuuur's representation of his "old" toy car is somewhat different as I interfered somewhat in the process in order to illustrate, similar to an interference with your 'island' query)

Quoting: Chaol

Chaol, I love ya but I am confused. The bold above, you tell me to create something new.

You told me in a post (in the link below) that symbols we create ourselves are not as powerful. I can make my own sigils and would prefer to do so but because of the post in this link, I quit making them and started finding symbols...such as a lottery ticket.

I am sure I have probably misinterpreted. No problem with that. But, check what again? In the first post, I asked about using a symbol I received in meditation. You said no, it's not as powerful because it came from my mind.

Anyway, the question is: is it more powerful to start off with a new symbol I create myself, for example taking toothpicks and taping them together....or is it more powerful to find something, like purchase a lottery ticket, which is a new symbol to me?

Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

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Chaol, it's time for you to get over yourself. I appreciate your the purity of your intentions that we get the message and separate it from the messenger. But, it's just not possible. Our anthropologists and scientists have realized themselves, that they cannot study an environment without influencing it.

You are one of us now. We will learn this as fast as we can so you can just be a regular guy, but until then, you are still our friend. And, teaching us something we want to learn.

Of course, you're hearing this from someone who is tired of virtual reality, tired of being on the Truman Show....really, we have over 250,000 views on this thread alone? Who are you?

And a hand full of people posting? Why aren't the rest of you people posting? Tell us hi. Tell us you want to learn. Tell us when you can help us. Or not!

Plus, it's a little difficult to learn when the land beneath your feet and the sky above your head is changing so rapidly.

Major Man, I'm in on your experiment. And thank you for offering. As we can all see, Chaol appreciates it. He has repeatedly told us he doesn't want to be seen as anything other than a regular guy.

I'll think about your proposal and be back with input if I have any. TY.

OK....

Quoting: Unit3

Do you think there is a possibility we could scare him away with requests like this? I mean, how firm are you willing to be? I believe Chaol's credibility is rooted in the uncertainty on who or what he/she/it is.

I'd still follow these threads if he came clean on the possibility he is fantasizing the whole thing. What if he admitted to reminding us this is all just "light entertainment" to absolve himself of any sense of guilt? I think any of it could be possible, or none of it. The information he provides is ambiguous, intelligent, intriguing, fascinating and resonates with me.

Quoting: Jesse Sovoda

Do you mean it could be scary to him if I see him as my friend and I want to learn from him? I'm firm enough that I'm presenting as clean a slate as I can to learn Ecsys.

I appreciate your input so please talk to me about this. The last thing I want to do is scare him away.

Is the uncertainty factor something that makes this all better for you? I do believe he has encouraged us to make this what we need for ourselves....light entertainment or whatever. I've come to the place where I don't care what his agenda is. I see the value in the message.

Edit: Btw Jesse, one reason I love to talk to you is that you always bring in a factor that I don't usually think of. Thank you for that.

Quoting: Unit3

Na, I don't think that's really the case. I just over-analyze.

Thank you for your sincere concern, though. If he takes off and gives up on all this(which he will have to eventually anyway) then I'll move on. He is one of many sources of information. I just happen to like his flavor.

There is something fascinating about the unknown, ANYTHING could be there. What better place for the Genius to discover? I was just trying to express a fear (that Chaol is a complete doucher and made it all up as a messianic fantasy) and a fantasy (that he's providing the Truth he denies "exists").

Quoting: Jesse Sovoda

Thanks for your honesty.

Yes, there is something fascinating about the unknown and I am exploring it the best I can.

I admit, I don't look forward to the day when Chaol might take off. That's one reason I'm trying to learn this for myself. I don't like depending on someone else.

As far as his agenda, I don't care what it is. I see truth in what he is teaching and that's what I care about. I want to learn this....really bad, LOL!

"We are the music makers. And we are the dreamers of dreams." Willy Wonka

Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

Yes, I switched my goal to Wealth. Then, I purchased a lottery ticket as the symbol. I didn't make a symbol because you told me once it's better to get something new to you.[snips]

Quoting: Unit3

To create something new, rather than get something new.

(tuuuuur's representation of his "old" toy car is somewhat different as I interfered somewhat in the process in order to illustrate, similar to an interference with your 'island' query)

Quoting: Chaol

Chaol, it's time for you to get over yourself. I appreciate your the purity of your intentions that we get the message and separate it from the messenger. But, it's just not possible. Our anthropologists and scientists have realized themselves, that they cannot study an environment without influencing it.

You are one of us now. We will learn this as fast as we can so you can just be a regular guy, but until then, you are still our friend. And, teaching us something we want to learn.

Of course, you're hearing this from someone who is tired of virtual reality, tired of being on the Truman Show....really, we have over 250,000 views on this thread alone? Who are you?

And a hand full of people posting? Why aren't the rest of you people posting? Tell us hi. Tell us you want to learn. Tell us when you can help us. Or not!

Plus, it's a little difficult to learn when the land beneath your feet and the sky above your head is changing so rapidly.

Major Man, I'm in on your experiment. And thank you for offering. As we can all see, Chaol appreciates it. He has repeatedly told us he doesn't want to be seen as anything other than a regular guy.

I'll think about your proposal and be back with input if I have any. TY.

OK....

Quoting: Unit3

Good to know.

However, I mentioned that I'd rather talk about Ecsys, not myself. I know that I can only be perceived as a "regular guy" walking down the street.

If I ask Unit3 to talk about Ecsys rather than Chaol, of course I am over myself all ready ;)

I'd like all of you to do what I can do, in more. You do it when you're dreaming. You may as well do it when you're awake, too.

Quoting: Chaol

"We are the music makers. And we are the dreamers of dreams." Willy Wonka

Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

So is anyone against helping me achieve a position on the PGA Tour earning $5M per year for 10 years using the November 17th nexus?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5877556

I'm not against helping you but I'm not on first base with this stuff yet. Why don't you list your Genius steps and maybe we can all go from there?

Quoting: Unit3

I would like to start from scratch and have one of the students, say Chaol help out with using the genius.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5877556

That's what I'm saying. Post your steps. They are outlined in The Genius. People will respond and most likely learn, from what you post. I am sure Chaol will respond too because he wants us to learn this.

Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

So is anyone against helping me achieve a position on the PGA Tour earning $5M per year for 10 years using the November 17th nexus?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5877556

Well...I am not against the idea, but I am unable to come up with an angle that would make your success relevant to my experience, other than to have you confirm the Genius works. And I already know it does.

I was thinking a joint effort would be more powerful if it manifested in outcomes relevant to all of our immediate experiences. I could be wrong though.

Could you not alter your perspective a little, and join our shared exercise? Acquiring wealth seems to be a large part of your goal anyway. Would not the fact that you have already done so much work on this matter, make your personal path of least resistance to wealth that which involved your golfing ambitions?

Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

I guess we'd have to do some modifications to the key since the key aloe already has meaning assigned to it. Lets wrap some tape around it. Use a key we don't use anymore and remodel it a bit. Maybe add some colors.

Quoting: (MaJorMan)

I like the idea of the key, though it is already assigned meaning, perhaps it would be preferable to use a key that you cannot recall it's purpose, or never did know what it unlocked? And yes, modify it, make it unique of course.

The Possibility would be our pockets. Though I think I shall modify it in a way that means I can wear it as a pendant or bracelet to increase the Possibilities for Interaction.

We could encourage Interaction by posting pictures online of our symbol, for those on the thread to view, or at least a description of our Symbol.

With respect to structure the only one which comes to mind right now is the intent to expose my Symbol directly to the sun everyday. At a time as close to midday as I can, for a minimum period of one hour. An other rule, will be to explain to any person that asks about this key, that 'this is a symbol of my wealth'. I trust that will lead to further discussion and therefore further interaction.

Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

I guess we'd have to do some modifications to the key since the key aloe already has meaning assigned to it. Lets wrap some tape around it. Use a key we don't use anymore and remodel it a bit. Maybe add some colors.

Quoting: (MaJorMan)

I like the idea of the key, though it is already assigned meaning, perhaps it would be preferable to use a key that you cannot recall it's purpose, or never did know what it unlocked? And yes, modify it, make it unique of course.

The Possibility would be our pockets. Though I think I shall modify it in a way that means I can wear it as a pendant or bracelet to increase the Possibilities for Interaction.

We could encourage Interaction by posting pictures online of our symbol, for those on the thread to view, or at least a description of our Symbol.

With respect to structure the only one which comes to mind right now is the intent to expose my Symbol directly to the sun everyday. At a time as close to midday as I can, for a minimum period of one hour. An other rule, will be to explain to any person that asks about this key, that 'this is a symbol of my wealth'. I trust that will lead to further discussion and therefore further interaction.

Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

Hi Chaol, teachers and class,

Can a person by a symbol, used with the Genius?

Curious.

Thanks!:)

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 918001

*be a symbol!

Can a person be a symbol, used with the Genius?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 918001

Not when used with the Genius*. Too much pre-extant meaning.

*more advanced uses, perhaps. But we're still on the basics.

Quoting: Chaol

Okay, understood.

So... Can a sound be a symbol? A word?

I'm not trying to ask silly questions, haha, I'm just finding it challenging to "create" a new symbol that does not have *any* prior meaning attached to it.

For example, the key idea. I will all ways still have an existing relationship with said key... It is antique? Then it's like a prop I once used, which has loads of meaning attached. Is it plain and modern? Well, it reminds me of my house key. And on and on, for every variation of a key I could see or use, there is at least some meaning all ready there. Because "key" is all ready in my perspective.

If I wrap the key in gold wire or tape, it does not become something "new" so much as two existing things now blended/bonded together. (And it will probably remind me of a shoddy craft project, which is instantly "Girl Scouts" or "tacky".)

So, I am looking for a way of introducing a new symbol into my perspective. Words that I don't know can possibly work... Like Hiksahh or Olo. These are just words that I made up, that are blank slates. How do I make a physical symbol from these?

Maybe my understanding of creating a new symbol is off? Any clarity appreciated.

Despite this confusion over creating a new symbol, I do know I've had success using the Genius. But in each case, I have just decided that the new meaning assigned to my symbol is the only meaning. Wiped and re-programmed, so to speak. (Even though you have advised against this. I decided to do it any way ;P)

This is what has led me to think about how some "things" might be symbols (like people or sounds or arts or intersections of beams in my home). In fact, I am beginning to believe that every thing (including thought, including me) is a symbol, interacting, logically, in "space".

Also, on a slightly different trajectory, is it possible to use an existing meaning to draw that desired experience in? If I obtained a key to a room at the Bellagio and used that as my symbol, would that not poke a hole into my perspective to where that key would need a slot to fit into? And then presto! Before long I will find myself in Vegas. Perhaps not the best example, but I'm trying to keep it simple in the hopes of understanding. If I somehow got my hands on keys to a Ferrari on ebay or something, would the car to match show up?

Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

I showed my lottery ticket (symbol of wealth) to 2 barking dogs today. I had it with me, the dogs were barking, so I thought, why not?

Quoting: Unit3

You know, this shines a new light on Alzheimers!

Quoting: Marshwiggle

Are you sayhing I have Alzheimers?

Quoting: Unit3

Not that -

people with Alzheimers' often are found doing 'strange' things such as putting the toothpaste in the fridge.... and what we do with the Genius and Expanded Perspective reminds me of what society can call crazy behaviour ;)

Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

Talked to my dad, mother, wife and father in law... and they all strongly advise against getting this car.

If it's my car, I'll apparently get there by rowing against the stream...

Quoting: tuuuuur

you already are or going own it, all this drama,

have 'anything' to trade for it?

Quoting: SpawnX

Not anything by the same value that I can think of. Well, a thing or two obviously (1970s tube bass amp plus cab, a few home made guitars), but I actually use those and am not willing to miss them... ;-)

You mean, against you...Take a loan (don't need to be a bank loan), or sell whatever you don't need or use anymore, that's why I invented ebay...

Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

So is anyone against helping me achieve a position on the PGA Tour earning $5M per year for 10 years using the November 17th nexus?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5877556

Well...I am not against the idea, but I am unable to come up with an angle that would make your success relevant to my experience, other than to have you confirm the Genius works. And I already know it does.

I was thinking a joint effort would be more powerful if it manifested in outcomes relevant to all of our immediate experiences. I could be wrong though.

Could you not alter your perspective a little, and join our shared exercise? Acquiring wealth seems to be a large part of your goal anyway. Would not the fact that you have already done so much work on this matter, make your personal path of least resistance to wealth that which involved your golfing ambitions?

Quoting: curve

I think that me being a role model for children and community would be very relative to all of you. At the very least all of you are someone's child and live in a community.

Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

I guess we'd have to do some modifications to the key since the key aloe already has meaning assigned to it. Lets wrap some tape around it. Use a key we don't use anymore and remodel it a bit. Maybe add some colors.

Quoting: (MaJorMan)

I like the idea of the key, though it is already assigned meaning, perhaps it would be preferable to use a key that you cannot recall it's purpose, or never did know what it unlocked? And yes, modify it, make it unique of course.

The Possibility would be our pockets. Though I think I shall modify it in a way that means I can wear it as a pendant or bracelet to increase the Possibilities for Interaction.

We could encourage Interaction by posting pictures online of our symbol, for those on the thread to view, or at least a description of our Symbol.

With respect to structure the only one which comes to mind right now is the intent to expose my Symbol directly to the sun everyday. At a time as close to midday as I can, for a minimum period of one hour. An other rule, will be to explain to any person that asks about this key, that 'this is a symbol of my wealth'. I trust that will lead to further discussion and therefore further interaction.

Quoting: curve

I like your ideas, especially sharing pictures of our symbol on the thread. I'm on the fence about wearing this weird key thingy around our neck and explaining to those who ask what it's about. A little uncomfortable for me, I know it shouldn't be. For lack of a better idea for our space and structural elements I say that will safice and is actually strong in interacting with a majority of our daily lives. If I may suggest a change in the rules, how about we wear the necklace inside of our shirt mostly and take it out whenever we interact with money or bank cards? We purchase a magazine that rich people read like the other poster suggested and use our symbol as a paperweight while looking through it. At night we take off the necklace and put it inside of our wallets.

For specifics, we will be shifting perspectives to $50 million dollars in each of our accounts, unless that's not enough for some of our intentions lol.

Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

Now lets come up with a name for our symbol using neuronicons. Lets say the sound of +S I +L +P

Quoting: (MaJorMan)

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I'm in! The only question is, what is our logic for going from current bank account balances to $50 million? Don't we need to provide that idea to our subconscious?

Oh, and do you have phonetics for the sound of the symbol?

Quoting: Unit3

Our logic is we take out the necklace with the symbol on it when interacting with money, using it as a paperweight while reading magazine (Forbes), we put it in our wallets while sleep.

We don't need a specific map of how exactly it will happen. That's why we create a symbol and interact with it on our own terms with a predefined outcome of our interactions. The symbol shows us the way..

Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

Now lets come up with a name for our symbol using neuronicons. Lets say the sound of +S I +L +P

Quoting: (MaJorMan)

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I'm in! The only question is, what is our logic for going from current bank account balances to $50 million? Don't we need to provide that idea to our subconscious?

Oh, and do you have phonetics for the sound of the symbol?

Quoting: Unit3

Our logic is we take out the necklace with the symbol on it when interacting with money, using it as a paperweight while reading magazine (Forbes), we put it in our wallets while sleep.

We don't need a specific map of how exactly it will happen. That's why we create a symbol and interact with it on our own terms with a predefined outcome of our interactions. The symbol shows us the way..

What is phonetics?

Quoting: (MaJorMan)

OK, thank you.

Phonetics is how something sounds, rather than correct spelling.

What we need to figure out is how those symbols you gave sound as one word. So far we have book read. So it would be pronounced phonetically: ugh ee.

But we still need the middle symbol prounounciation.

Edit: We also need to connect it to the Nov. 17 nexus. We can inquire about a safari that starts Nov. 17.

Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

Our logic is we take out the necklace with the symbol on it when interacting with money, using it as a paperweight while reading magazine (Forbes), we put it in our wallets while sleep.

We don't need a specific map of how exactly it will happen. That's why we create a symbol and interact with it on our own terms with a predefined outcome of our interactions. The symbol shows us the way..

Quoting: (MaJorMan)

You say it well here, MM. I didn't read this before I posted the above