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I just saw that it's shutting down at the end of the year. Yes, yes, I'm late to know. Anyone know where the WAR players are finding a new home? On that note, can someone suggest a good PVP heavy game and why they find it better than others that is sub based.

I was going to go back to the game to see how it was doing but now I have to go elsewhere, maybe Darkfall is the closest? I need a sub based game, no free to stay away. Full loot pvp scares the beejeebluss out of me because I like to craft and losing progress there would break my wittle heart. Do tell if you know where the sub based rough and tumble games are that you are enjoying.

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Originally posted by greenreen

I just saw that it's shutting down at the end of the year. Yes, yes, I'm late to know. Anyone know where the WAR players are finding a new home? On that note, can someone suggest a good PVP heavy game and why they find it better than others that is sub based.

I was going to go back to the game to see how it was doing but now I have to go elsewhere, maybe Darkfall is the closest? I need a sub based game, no free to stay away. Full loot pvp scares the beejeebluss out of me because I like to craft and losing progress there would break my wittle heart. Do tell if you know where the sub based rough and tumble games are that you are enjoying.

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the only game out there currently close to war is DAOC or GW2 with GW2 having the heaviest population. There is no full loot pvp in either of them and both have a heavy crafting focus being able to craft the almost the best stuff in both games etc. Darkfall is a full loot pvp game not sure why you would want to even try that if your not into full loot. Guild Wars 2 is zergy though in their realm vs realm (world vs world) zones and you can start at level 1 and get bolstered to level 80 though your gear and skills will not be on the same level as a real level 80. Guild Wars 2 has keep takes though and a scoring system similiar to warhammer and most of the population does pvp in GW2. There is no trinity in guild wars 2 though so its either you support build damage build or control etc. No tanks , no true healer classes though some can heal in tight situations and small skirmish etc. The way GW2 WvW system works is closer to daoc than warhammer though with your entire realm gaining passive bonuses for the more keeps you take and towers bases etc. Its a score point system and there is 4 battlegrounds each per server where you are fighting against 2 other servers for 2 week seasons etc. Read up on it some if your looking for realm vs realm , its buy to play with a cash shop but the shop isnt gear based and purely cosmetic and quality of life improvements such as bag space and potions etc.

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I've tried GW2 and had some problems there. They banned my forum account and ascended gear didn't sit well with me. Plus they didn't fix PVP for awhile... have they even done anything about the dolyaks giving no reward but a tick that they disabled a few mos. into the game. Meh, I'm not going back there and it isn't sub based anyway, it's about buying random box chances at goodies. Thanks anyway for the mentions, I could have mentioned I had tried GW2 but I didn't think of it as strong PVP, more of an afterthought for them.

Slim pickings for this subset of MMOs but I'll keep hunting and research others listed.

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A lot of us that played DAOC and Warhammer have kicked in our money to Mark Jacobs kickstarter a while back and now awaiting alphas for Camelot Unchained. The game won't be out until 2015 at the earliest, but we hang around the forums and chat and read all the info we can from each update. It will be a realm vs. realm game with crafting/housing/seiging.

I'm just kicking around in WoW atm, just to have something to play around with til CU alpha.

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well, pvp heavy games which are f2p today and which are like WAR's RvR are :-

DAOC Classic (uthgardt server)

Champions of Regnum

Aika Online

I dont like Aika because it has really weird fuzzy bloom gfx and also it sounds like a very political game. DAOC Classic is fine but it still has that skating animation during combat which i dont really like. So I'm present playing Regnum. Just had another 15vs15vs15 bridge fight 10 minutes ago. Here's an example video of a battle in Regnum :-

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Planetside 2
It's a 3 sided permenantly on rvr game with distinct factions on huge world of just 3 zones which are each bigger than all 4 Wvw zones put together, where guilds matter and with a nice daoc like progression. and its free

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TBH GW2 i know you said you were banned on forums, could always buy it was a new email idk. I like this game more than I did a year ago and getting more into. They have made more and more improvements in the game. I really like the ruins they introduced in WvW. More chances to to get the smaller scale pvp. Ascended gear really isnt that hard to get. To respond to your statement I think doylaks do have rewards now. I would recommend giving it another try. Personally, I find the game to be growing. IMO its one of the truly active games that has released after WoW.

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Alternatives to DAOC for f2P RvR open PvP combat are :-

Shadowbane emu

Champions of Regnum

Aika

Aion

All of these are outlasting Warhammer... poor Warhammer :/ I didn't include Lineage 2 style mmos in this list because L2 pvp is flag based - you get some sort of karma penalty if you kill the wrong enemy player.

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Originally posted by ringdany

Alternatives to DAOC for f2P RvR open PvP combat are :-

Shadowbane emu

Champions of Regnum

Aika

Aion

All of these are outlasting Warhammer... poor Warhammer :/ I didn't include Lineage 2 style mmos in this list because L2 pvp is flag based - you get some sort of karma penalty if you kill the wrong enemy player.

WAR is 1000x better than all those games listed.

Even DAOC, imo.. it's just too dated and sluggish.

Darkfall:Unholy Wars is the ONLY alternative to WAR if your looking for sieging, open pvp, and RvR.

The only differance between Darkfall and traditional RvR, is that the players create alliances that serve as Realms, and there's more than 3 player created factions in the game.

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[quote] Originally posted by LustmordWAR is 1000x better than all those games listed.[/b] Even DAOC, imo.. it's just too dated and sluggish.Darkfall:Unholy Wars is the ONLY alternative to WAR if your looking for sieging, open pvp, and RvR.The only differance between Darkfall and traditional RvR, is that the players create alliances that serve as Realms, and there's more than 3 player created factions in the game.[/quote]

i dunno, if WAR was that good it would have survived. it's no point building a gloriously colourful gfx world if the gameplay/balance is shit. it's not going to survive. at least regnum was smart enough to aim for gameplay and commercial survival. at least the hours we put into learning regnum's combat still lets us play.

Darkfall:UW isn't really an alternative to WAR for me. Darkfall is rumoured to be riddled with corruption. This makes pvp pointless when you know your opponents are given OP and free items by biased devs.

Shadowbane may be a better alternative than Darkfall. Shadowbane is f2p, has seiges, factions made by players (more than 3), cities built by players and open pvp. Shadowbane even has flight. But the big negative for Shadowbane is this: it doesn't have official IP support (yuck).

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Originally posted by ringdany

Darkfall:UW isn't really an alternative to WAR for me. Darkfall is rumoured to be riddled with corruption. This makes pvp pointless when you know your opponents are given OP and free items by biased devs.

What is the source of the rumor that makes you believe as a fact? I feel bias in here...

. I give you a proof that AV is a company that actually fights cheaters, gold buyers, etc. They publicly publish the cheaters, hacker, etc in this website:

If Darkfall is not your type of game that is fine, however please stop propagating these kinds false information... If you been playing games for last 10 years, you will know that hacking is common in any game these days. The difference is what does the game company do about it.

Now Playing: DARKFALL Unholy Wars "Return to Open World, Full Loot PvP, Conquest in a Sandbox MMO with player driven economy! Just like classic MMOs!"

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Originally posted by gamekid2kWhat is the source of the rumor that makes you believe as a fact? I feel bias in here.... I give you a proof that AV is a company that actually fights cheaters, gold buyers, etc. They publicly publish the cheaters, hacker, etc in this website:http://www.unholybanhammer.com/BH/If Darkfall is not your type of game that is fine, however please stop propagating these kinds false information... If you been playing games for last 10 years, you will know that hacking is common in any game these days. The difference is what does the game company do about it.

sadly, the news of widespread corruption is true, and apparently persisted even in darkfall 1:-http://www.reddit.com/r/Darkfall/comments/1ljhew/state_of_the_game/

and yes, a lot of mmos publish lists of players banned but if you read the reddit thread, it is quite clear this is aventurine themselves condoning the corruption. the devs can't ban themselves.

(note: ive been thinking about this more. i think... maybe stuff like this happens in every mmo to varying degrees. im just not sure how it fits in morally exactly)

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Originally posted by ringdany

Originally posted by gamekid2kWhat is the source of the rumor that makes you believe as a fact? I feel bias in here.... I give you a proof that AV is a company that actually fights cheaters, gold buyers, etc. They publicly publish the cheaters, hacker, etc in this website:http://www.unholybanhammer.com/BH/If Darkfall is not your type of game that is fine, however please stop propagating these kinds false information... If you been playing games for last 10 years, you will know that hacking is common in any game these days. The difference is what does the game company do about it.

sadly, the news of widespread corruption is true, and apparently persisted even in darkfall 1:- http://www.reddit.com/r/Darkfall/comments/1ljhew/state_of_the_game/

and yes, a lot of mmos publish lists of players banned but if you read the reddit thread, it is quite clear this is aventurine themselves condoning the corruption. the devs can't ban themselves.

(note: ive been thinking about this more. i think... maybe stuff like this happens in every mmo to varying degrees. im just not sure how it fits in morally exactly)