Exclusive: Pamela Geller traces death of the republic to 2 short words

The United States of America was created as an independent nation whose founding ideal was the principle of individual rights. Freedom. Ayn Rand said that freedom, in a political context, means freedom from government coercion. America was the first moral government based on individual rights, the nation of the Enlightenment.

In this age of Obama, that ideal has been tossed aside for free stuff.

I have, for some time, struggled with the new reality: America void of her reason, existing without the reason for her existence, her morality. It did not seem possible. And yet what now seems impossible is that America ever was. As we revert back to the age of the primitive, the fact that America happened at all is nothing short of a miracle.

The United States of America was the rational mans shining hour.

Rabbi Steven Pruzansky of Congregation Bnai Yeshurun in Teaneck, N.J., recently wrote an analysis of the 2012 presidential election that is the best thing I have read on Romneys election loss and the broader question of the loss of America.

It is a different world, wrote Pruzansky, and a different America. Obama is part of that different America, knows it, and knows how to tap into it. That is why he won. What kind of different America? Pruzanskys explanation is devastating: Romney lost, he writes, because the conservative virtues  the traditional American virtues  of liberty, hard work, free enterprise, private initiative and aspirations to moral greatness  no longer inspire or animate a majority of the electorate. The notion of the Reagan Democrat is one cliché that should be permanently retired. Ronald Reagan himself could not win an election in todays America. The simplest reason why Romney

Romney lost because he was a crappy candidate who ran a crappy campaign and had one of the worst GOTV programs in history.

Bullshit. Even if Romney ran no campaign the American people knew what they were getting by allowing obama to be re-elected. The people CHOSE obama! The ones who voted for him and stupendously stupid and arrogant assholes who stayed home because Romney was a (pick your favorite...liberal, socialist, globalist, mormon, etc).

obama is the outward symptom of the cancer that has attached itself to America. The actual cancer is the 51% and more who voted for other people's money!

Romney lost because Democrats CHEAT, STEAL, BEG, BORROW, BRIBE, EXTORT, LIE, OR DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO GET THEIR WAY. Democrats are shameless and have NO MORAL COMPASS. 0bama, Pelosi, Reid, Schumer, and the entire 0bama regime are misrepresenting their TRUE agenda.. The big LIE, if you will. Team 0bama drove people to the polls and the unions, ACORN, the Black Panthers and the U.N. 'poll monitors' all engaged in all of the above, including FRAUD to keep 0bama in the White House. The news media conspired in hiding from the public anything incriminating to 0bama. There is no TRUTH in media anymore because 'political consequences' not truth determines what we see or hear.

Our government and the media is infested with shameless traitors and there's only one way to beat them. Discussion and elections won't cure this problem. There is no reasoning with evil because they are shameless compulsive liars with NO MORAL COMPASS.

Wrong. Obama pulled in fewer votes than he did in 2008. He was beatable by a campaign that 1) stood for something, 2) took the attack to him, 3) could differentiate itself from Obama in key areas such as Obamacare, 4) had a candidate who people could relate to and 5) built on the GOTV model created by Karl Rove in 2000 and 2004 (a model that was the basis for Obama’s GOTV camapigns). Romney failed to do all five. And the stinkin’ GOP-E is learning all the wrong lessons in rushing to cave to the Dems’ free stuff mentality instead of realizing they pushed about the worst possible candidate in 2012.

If you think that America of today is even a shadow of what it was 30 years ago you’re living a dream man. That country is GONE. The takers figured out that they can vote themselves our money. They now have the numbers.

The United States of America was created as an independent nation whose founding ideal was the principle of individual rights.

This is only part of the truth, in reality the US Constitution set up a true republic with limited powers to the Federal and unlimited powers to the state(s). Somehow that got reversed and now we are paying the price. The BOR, while important, has been a shield for the corrupt statist to undermine the republic.

If a state wants to set up a socialist society that would be fine, since the state cant print money it WOULD have to be paid for. Now the socialism is coming top down and that NEVER ends well.

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posted on 01/02/2013 10:14:43 AM PST
by central_va
( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)

Thats a little misleading. His kid also said he did it out of a sense of duty. I prefer that to some psycho like Clinton who set out from high school to be president, or to an Obama who in elementary school seriously wanted to be king.

Being president is a little like being a cop, if you desperately covet the position, it’s probably better for us all if you don’t get it. Id rather have had Romneys attitude towards the office than King Obama’s, any day.

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posted on 01/02/2013 10:16:29 AM PST
by DesertRhino
(I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)

Romney lost because he is a Mormon. How many right here on FR during the primary season said they would sit out the election rather than vote for a Mormon? A lot. It is fundamentalist christians that won Obama a second term.

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posted on 01/02/2013 10:19:45 AM PST
by jdub
(A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.)

Romney lost because the current GOP can’t be defended at the ‘Facebook level’. What I mean is that if you argue with the man on the street, in short, bumper sticker level phrases, you’re holding a losing hand. For instance:

“The GOP is the party of endless war.”

“If Obamacare is so bad, then why is Romneycare okay?”

“If spending is bad, why wasn’t it bad when it skyrocketed under Bush?”

“Why does the GOP only want tax breaks and subsidies for big corporations and the rich? Why not for the poor? Don’t they need it more? Why not let the free market be free, like you said works so well?”

“If domestic surveillance under Obama is so bad, why was it okay under Bush?”

“If the GOP is the party of freedom *and* responsibility, then why can’t I smoke weed, but alcohol is legal, when alcohol is objectively more dangerous? “

And so on. The problem is that the people that could be swayed away from the Big Government leviathan of the Democrats can’t be swayed by the GOP, because the GOP is short sighted and hypocritical. It’s afraid to stand up for freedom when freedom needs defending, and it’s ashamed to stand up for conservatism when conservatism needs defending. Including from when these two need to be defended from each other. (Sir, The Patriot Act is on line one.)

Now, we have a semi-rogue version of the Democrats, thanks to Bush, Romney and every other ‘compassionate conservative’, that is basically just Democrat-lite. And people don’t want Democrat-lite. They can get the real thing anytime they want. Would you buy a beer that was 50% watered down? No. That doesn’t please people that want beer, and it doesn’t please people that want water.

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posted on 01/02/2013 10:20:11 AM PST
by Steel Wolf
("Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master." - Gaius Sallustius Crispus)

He lost because of a complicit media who hid and is still hiding the fact that there was massive, massive Democrat voting fraud in key precincts in the critical battleground states. It’s as simple as that.

His GOTV indeed totally sucked. And given the large number of techie google exec types who flocked to Obama, i’m still not convinced that there wasn’t some nasty electronic landmines going off that day.
The thing was working, then crashes without explanation on election day?
I don’t believe in coincidences of that nature. Some of them would have to befall the other side sometimes. But things of that nature always break against us. Another example is election machines, where were the complaints that an Obama vote was changed to a Romney vote on the screen?
Where were the GOP counties that had 150% turnout?
Every funny break goes one way only.

ANd i was unhappy with Romney over his treachery against Sarah, and disgusted with his getting all the other serious GOP candidates remved via litigation back east. (NC or Virginia, can’t remember offhand)
But after all that, i wish he was getting sworn-in in 3 weeks. He would be better than Obama, and we could use him as a stepping stone away from what i think is an actual marxist revolution.
It’s going to be a brutal 4 more years. And worst of all, we will never get the pleasure of seeing Obama have to face rejection. He will be a pain an Americas a$$ for decades after he leaves office and will not ever be quite the joke that Carter was for example.

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posted on 01/02/2013 10:30:12 AM PST
by DesertRhino
(I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)

His GOTV indeed totally sucked. And given the large number of techie google exec types who flocked to Obama, im still not convinced that there wasnt some nasty electronic landmines going off that day.

Quite frankly, as poorly conceived and executed as ORCA was across the board, it didn't need any sabotage to fail as badly as it did. I passed along accounts about ORCA to junior employees as an example of how NOT to go about systems design and implementation.

I agree with you 100%. Romney was not one of my favorite choices but this election was about getting rid of Obama. I did have a few friends that didn't vote at all because Romney was or is a Rino. A couple my friends even voted for Johnson to make a statement. A few even voted for Obama because they didn't have or couldn't afford health care insurance. Well the statement was made. Four more years of Obama.

Yep, Philly, Florida, Ohio, Virgina, and Wisconsic all had rampant fraud. Wisconsin had large numbers come vote from safe Chicago districts, and Florida had numerous New Yorkers who vote in both states. Cross checking databases is not done. And all black districts are their playground because they know nobody dares come watch or investigate.
They know that even with solid proof nobody would dare try to prosecute the fraud.

Obama is a fraudulent usurper, placed into the position by the worst communists and radicals America ever produced.

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posted on 01/02/2013 10:41:47 AM PST
by DesertRhino
(I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)

In a 1987 Bicentennial of the Constitution Volume entitled "Our Ageless Constitution", Dr. Russell Kirk ("The Conservative Mind") contributed an essay entitled, "The Responsibility of Citizens." That essay's premise is pertinent to the subject of this thread and is reprinted, with permission, below:

THE RESPONSIBILITY OF CITIZENS

"Cherish, therefore, the spirit of our people, and keep alive their attention. If once they become inattentive to the public affairs, you and I, and Congress and Assemblies, judges and governors, shall all become wolves. It seems to be the law of our general nature." - Thomas Jefferson (Letter to Edward Carrington January 16, 1787

Background And Original Intent

"A good constitution is the greatest blessing which a socie­ty can enjoy." So said James Wilson, in his oration at Philadelphia on July 4, 1788, celebrating the adoption of the Constitution of the United States. Wilson, who signed both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, preached startlingly democratic theories - more democratic than the ideas of any other delegate to the Constitutional Convention.

Yet Wilson emphasized the duties, as well as the rights, of citizens:

"Need I infer, that it is the duty of every citizen to use his best and most unremitting endeavours for preserving it [the Constitution] pure, healthful, and vigorous? For the accomplishment of this great purpose, the exertions of no one citizen are unimportant. Let no one, therefore harbour, for a moment, the mean idea, that he is and can be of no value to his country: let the contrary manly impres­sion animate his soul. Every one can, at many times, perform, to the state, useful services; and he, who steadily pursues the road of patriotism, has the most inviting prospect of being able, at some times, to perform eminent ones."

Wilson's argument is quite as sound now as it was two centuries ago. The success of the American Republic as a political structure has been the consequence, in very large part, of the voluntary participation of citizens in public affairs - enlisting in the army in time of war; serving on school boards; taking part unpaid in political campaigns; petitioning legislatures; sup­porting the President in an hour of crisis; and in a hundred other great ways, or small-assuming responsibility for the com­mon good. The Constitution has functioned well, most of the time, because conscientious men and women have given it flesh.

The Premises of Americans' Responsibility Under the Constitution of 1787

The Framers' first assumption was that all just authority for government comes from the people, under God; not from a monarch or a governing class, but from the innumerable citizens who make up the public. The people delegate to government only so much power as they think it prudent for government to exercise. Government is the people's creation, not their master. Thus, if the people are sovereign, it is the citizens' responsibility to take upon their shoulders the task of seeing that order, justice, and freedom are maintained.

The Framers' second assumption was that American citizens would undertake responsibility for the ordinary functioning of the civil social order and that local communities would manage their own affairs. Under their system, the roles of the various levels of government would be minimal and would not unnecessarily intrude into the day-to-day lives of the citizens.

In the matters which most immediately affect private life, power should remain in the hands of the citizens, or of the several states - not in the possession of federal government. So, at least, the Constitution declares. Americans have no official cards of identity, or internal passports, or system of national registration of all citizens - obligations imposed upon citizens in much of the rest of the world. This freedom results from Americans' voluntary assumption of responsibility.

In matters of public concern, it was the original intent to keep authority as close to home as possible. The lesser courts, the police, the maintenance of roads and sanitation, the levying of real-property taxes, the control of public schools, and many other essential functions still are carried on by the agen­cies of local community: the township, the village, the city, the county, the voluntary association. Citizens' cooperation in voluntary community throughout the United States has been noted and commended in the books of Alexis de Tocqueville, Lord Bryce, Julian Marias, and other distinguished visitors to the United States, over the past two centuries:

America's citizens, most of them, have believed in a moral order ordained by divine wisdom; and so they have assumed moral responsibilities, including personal responsibility for constitutional government. The more thoughtful citizens have seen society as primarily moral in origin: a community of souls. Behind the outward forms of American political structure lie the old convictions that citizens have duties toward a Creator and toward other members of the society, and that a just government must recognize moral law.

In family, church, and school, until the middle of the twentieth century, the rising generation of Americans were taught that they must be personally responsible for their own welfare, for the care of their aging family members, for the security and prosperity of their community, for their patrimony of order and justice and freedom, A sense of responsibility is developed by severe lessons, by private risk and accountability, by a humane education, by religious understanding, by knowledge of the past. Once upon a time, this sense of responsibility was diffused throughout the American nation. If it drains away, the consequences will be dreary.

A republic whose citizens - whose leaders, indeed - are concerned chiefly with "looking out for Number One," and ig­noring their responsibilities of citizenship, soon cannot "insure domestic tranquillity, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare" - or carry on the other major duties of the state. When the crisis comes, the people may turn in desperation to the hero-administrator, the misty figure somewhere at the summit. But in the end, that hero­administrator will not save the republic, although he may govern for a time by force. A democratic republic cannot long endure unless a great many of its citizens stand ready and will­ing to brighten the corner where they are, and to sacrifice much for the nation, if need be.

Has The Consciousness of Responsibility Withered in America?

For the past five or six decades, several perceptive observers have remarked, an increasing proportion of the American population has ceased to feel responsible for the common defense, for productive work, for choosing able men and women to represent them in politics, for accepting personal responsibility for the needs of the community, or even for their own livelihood. Unless this deterioration is arrested, the responsible citizens will be too few to support and protect the irresponsible. By 1978 there were more people receiving regular government checks than there were workers in the private sector.

What follows, if we are to judge by the history of fallen civilizations, is described by Albert Jay Nock in his book Memoirs of a Superfluous Man (1943):

"... closer centralization; a steadily growing bureaucracy; State power and faith in State power increasing; social power and faith in social power diminishing; the State absorbing a continually larger proportion of the national income; production languishing; the State in consequence taking over one 'essential industry' after another, managing them with ever-increasing corruption, inefficiency, and prodigality, and finally resorting to a system of forced labor. Then at some point in this process a collision of State interests, at least as general and as violent as that which occurred in 1914, will result in an industrial and financial dislocation too severe for the asthenic [weak] social structure to bear; and from this the State will be left to 'the rusty death of machinery' and the casual anonymous forces of dissolution."

Modem civilization offers a great variety of diversions, amusements, and enticements - some of them baneful. But modem civilization does not offer many inducements to the performance of duties, except perhaps monetary payment, and certainly it does not teach people that the real reward for responsible citizenship is the preservation of a free society.

It is not money that can induce citizens to labor and sacrifice for the common good. They must be moved by patriotism and their attachment to the Constitution. And patriotism alone, ignorant boasting about ones native land, would not suffice to preserve the Republic.

Thus it is that on the occasion of the Bicentennial celebrating of the Constitution, a mighty effort ought to be made to restore the American public's awareness of the principles of their government, of their responsibilities toward their country, their neighbors, their children, their parents, and themselves to be sure that their patrotism is based on this solid foundation. No one knows how late the hour is; but it is later than most people think. Love of the Republic shelters all our other loves; and that love is worth some sacrifice.

Responsibilities Are Readily Forgotten

Nearly all of us are quick to claim benefits, but not everybody is eager to fulfill obligations. We have become a nation obsessed with rights, forgetful of responsibilities. In an age of seeming affluence, a great many people find it easy to forget that all good things must be paid for by somebody or other - paid for through hard work, through painful abstinence, sometimes through bitter sacrifice. Below we set down some of the causes for the decline of a sense of responsibility among some American citizens.

The growth of an American welfare state, over the past half-century, has produced in the minds of a good many men and women the illusion that somehow somebody in Washington can provide for all needs: so why make much effort to fulfill what used to be considered personal responsibilities? As Alexis de Tocqueville remarked, a century and a half ago:

"Democracy in the United States will endure until those in power learn that they can perpetuate themselves through taxation."

In other words, the temptation of public men in Washington is always to offer to have the federal government assume fresh responsibilities - with consequent decay of local and private vigor (it might be argued that, at least in part, a failure in the proper exercise of citizens' responsibility permitted the development of the welfare state syndrome - that the government owes them a living. In any event, once it got under way and the welfare state grew, the sense of citizens' responsibility and rugged individualism deteriorated).

The increase of the scale of society and the size of government has bewildered many Americans, inclining them to think that the individual can accomplish little or nothing in a responsible way, engulfed as he seems to be by the overwhelmingness of it all. It was easier to see ones personal responsibilities in a Massachusetts township or next door to a Virginia courthouse, in 1787, than it is to perceive what one's duties to country and community may be in the New York or Los Angeles of 1987. When one contemplates the enormous size of the federal government, then the exercise of individual citizen responsibility seems almost hopeless.

Until the 1930s, and in many schools later than that, young people learned their responsibilities through the lively study of history, government, and especially imaginative literature that taught them about human dignity and human duties. But in recent decades, especially during the 1960s and 1970s, the disciplines of history and government have been supplanted by a vague social stew," and the study of great literature and philosophical ideas has given way to anthologies of relevant" - and often depressing - third-rate recent writing. So the function of the schools as places where responsibility would be taught - an expressed hope of several of the Framers of the Constitution, John Dickinson among them - has been ignored.

Of all social institutions, formerly the family was most active and successful in teaching young people their responsibilities. But since the Second World War particularly, the American family has been weakened by economic changes, both parents being gainfully employed (often to pay for increases of taxation, in large part), the triumph of the television set over family conversations, the influence of periodicals read by young people, and a considerable range of challenges to parental authority - many times encouraged by judicial decisions and actions of the education establishment. At the same time, the influence of school teachers and of the clergy in perpetuating this strong sense of responsibility has diminished. So, in some degree, the restoration of a sense of responsibility depends upon the family's recovery of authority.

The fundamental impulse to accept responsibilities and perform duties, in every society, has been religious in origin. Individuals obey moral laws and do their duty because of awareness of duties toward God. Religion teaches that there exist natural laws; and that if individuals try to ignore those natural laws, they find themselves in peril, individually and as a society. People who deny the reality of the Divine tend to shrug off their responsibilities to other men and women. Thus, weakness in religious awareness commonly leads to the decay of personal responsibility in many walks of life.

These are only some of the reasons why a 'permissive" society speaks often of rights and seldom of responsibilities. A time comes, in the course of events, when abruptly there is a most urgent need for men and women ready to fulfill high and exacting and dangerous responsibilities. And if there are no such citizens, then liberty can be lost. It must be remembered that the great strength of the Signers of the Declaration and the Framers of the Constitution was that they knew their classical history, and how the ancient Greek cities had lost their liberties, and how the Roman system had sunk to its ruin under the weight of proletariat and military state.

Prospects For The Renewal Of Responsibility

What may be done by way of remedy? Although America's social difficulties are formidable, probably they are less daunting than those of any other great nation today. The economic resources of the United States remain impressive; and the country's intellectual resources are large.

This essay cannot offer, in its small compass, a detailed program for the popular recovery of devotion to duty. Here we can only suggest healing approaches:

Like moral virtue, responsibility is first acquired in fami­ly and home. Nobody does more to injure a sense of responsibility than a parent who abandons children to the television set and the peer group, "liberating" them from household chores and study at home. Assigning and enforcing duties within home and family, though it may seem stern at first, is kindness to everybody in the long run.

In the family, as well as in the school, the imagination and the intellect can be introduced to the literature of responsibility - for such does exist, and young people are much taken with this literature if they have not already been absorbed into a juvenile "counter-culture." It was not many years ago that boys read, for instance, Theodore Roosevelt's and Henry Cabot Lodge's Hero Tales from American History, with its stirring descriptions of George Washington; of George Rogers Clark conquering the Northwest; of the battles of Trenton, Bennington, King's Mountain, and Stony Point - to confine ourselves to Revolutionary fighting - of Gouverneur Morris, the most brilliant delegate to the Constitutional Convention, with his one leg and his crippled arm, refusing to flee from the Jacobins in Paris. In such true tales one learns what responsibility requires. And it was not many years ago that girls were reading about the heroines of ancient times and modern - about Hypatia, Joan of Arc, Abigail Adams. We learn our duties from learning about men and women who did theirs. One recalls James Wilson's words, quoted at the beginning of this essay: "He, who steadily pursues the road of patriotism, has the most in­viting prospect of being able, at some times, to perform eminent ones."

In schools, the pupils need to be rescued from the sham subjects of "social studies" and "civics," ordinarily the most boring and empty disciplines in school curriculum, and introduced instead to real history and to the Con­stitution and American political institutions. From studying genuine historical figures and genuine politics and literature of the past, young people can come to apprehend what a citizen can do for his country.

Perhaps the best way to renew responsibility in American society is to assume responsibilities one's self. It may be difficult to find the time, and painful to fight one's way into politics at any level; nevertheless, some honest men and women must do so if the Republic is to endure another two centuries - or perhaps to the end of the twentieth century. From running for Congress to cam­paigning for the office of drain commissioner; from publishing a newspaper to writing a letter to the editor - ­there is no end to the responsibilities that may be under­taken, to the general benefit. The apparatus for doing one's political duty still exists, thanks to our Constitution.

To fulfill one's moral responsibilities through the agen­cies of a church, neighborhood, and personal charity may not be exciting; yet the example of duty does win converts, and one lays up treasure in a place unaffected by manipulated currency. To give aid and comfort to fugitives from Communist lands, say, is such an act as the Signers and the Framers would have approved heartily; and it teaches moral responsibility to one's children.

Ultimately, the recovery of a sense of responsibility is bound up with the recovery of the old concept and vir­tue of piety - gratitude toward God for his gift of life, gratitude toward one's ancestors, concern for one's children and descendents. Such a sense of responsibility is in keeping with the philosophy upon which the na­tion was built - Creator-endowed rights and responsibilities.

In your own circumstances, you may encounter oppor­tunities for the renewal of responsibility more promising where you live than any suggested here. In any society, it always has been a minority who have upheld order and justice and freedom. If only one out of every ten citizens of the United States of America should vigorously fulfill his responsibilities to our civil social order - why, we would not need to fear for the future of this nation.

Consider

In all previous cultures, children ordinarily accepted responsibility for the well-being of their parents in old age; and in various societies, the children were so held accountable in law. Why has this form of responsibility decayed in the twentieth century? Can you think of political and social causes for the care of elderly parents being turned over to public agencies?

Can you name seven or eight voluntary associations or organizations, not subsidized or directed by government, that perform important services in your community or in America generally? Explore the benefits from this kind of involvement as opposed to "letting the government do it."

Responsible citizenship sometimes brings risks - all the way from unpopularity in some local dispute to pushing forward under enemy fire in military action. How may schools help to teach the rising generation the high importance of performing duties that may be dangerous?

Are you and I personally responsible for our decisions and actions, or are we simply creatures of our environment, "conditioned" to respond in one way or another to events and challenges? Marshal the arguments on either side of this question, and then consider the probable social consequences of believing in freedom of the will, or believing that society, rather than the individual person, is responsible for citizen's actions.

What are you doing to help preserve the great principles on which this nation and your personal freedoms are based?

No, I think most of them came over and supported Romney. However, he had little appeal to independents who simply could not relate to the guy and his campaign did not, as far as I could see, look aggressively for potential unregistered GOP voters and get them registered and to the polls - the way Rove did in 2000 and 2004 and the way Obama did with similar potential Dems in 2008 and 2012.

The socialist Left dominates the press, the entertainment media, and the schools and unversities. They get to define what is news and what did or didn’t happen. They get to define what is the good life. And they get access to your kids for 12 or 16 years.

jdub wrote--It is fundamentalist christians that won Obama a second term.

varon wrote--Romney lost because..................the purist conservatives stayed home and bitched instead of voting!

Why would you both say the opposite of the truth? What is your agenda? Why post against the only people who did vote for Romney?

Evangelicals voted 79% for Romney, they held their noses and did what they saw as their duty, it seems to have been that the millions of votes that the vague, vacuous, Romney left on the table were definitely not the Evangelical conservative purists (and fundamentalist Christians), but the less defined people who Romney failed to make any impression on.

“The problem is that the people that could be swayed away from the Big Government leviathan of the Democrats cant be swayed by the GOP, because the GOP is short sighted and hypocritical.”

That’s the money quote.
I think a lot of voters asked themselves why if deficits were so bad under Obama they were ok under Bush. Same with spending and just about every other issue.

It’s not just the GOP elites either. I saw Freepers defend things Bush did that were questionable.
Now that the other side is doing pretty much the same borrow and spend, well, it’s the end of this nation and we have to secede and the revolution starts now and all kinds of other over the top rhetoric.

IMHO the moderates and the middle of the road voters are who swing eections. I think when the moderates looked at the GOP the last few years what they’ve seen is bald face hypocrisy.

It’s really hard to beat an incumbent whose signature legislation is the same as your signature legislation. The fact is Romneycare wasn’t going to beat Obamacare because there weren’t enough differences. Romney had nothing to stake his ground on, the most he had was being a better speaker than Obama.

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posted on 01/02/2013 12:34:40 PM PST
by discostu
(I recommend a fifth of Jack and a bottle of Prozac)

War on the media? Been wondering myself.. I suppose the FIRST requirement is to identify them and label them. 'Media' doesn't cut it because it's become too cliche'..

Americans get their NEWS from propagandist whores working on behalf of the Socialist regime, not all that unlike PRAVDA. We here at FR know WHAT the problem is, but HOW to awaken Americans to the fact that our news outlets are working FOR KING 0BAMA is the million $$$ question.

My best answer to your question is WE NEED TO ABANDON THE REPUBLICAN PARTY FOR A NEW PARTY WHOSE NUMBER ONE MISSION IS TO LIFT THE VEIL OFF THE MEDIA AND EXPOSE TO REGULAR AMERICANS THAT THE MAJOR MEDIA IS GOVERNMENT-OPERATED. The Republicans won't say SQUAT about the media so we must abandon them for a party that will.

Most of us did come over, most of us knew the horrible consequences of reelecting the Marxist scum.

Unfortunately, there were about 2-3% that stayed home, or voted third party as some kind of "protest" or stand for purity as well as a few who couldn't abide a Mormon as president. There are a fair amount of posters here that regularly trumpeted their views, even after FR came to its senses, they are a fair representation of those that didn't show up.

I have to say, there were a lot of reasons for the loss, but that one sticks in my craw. These people continue to crow about their "purity" on FR, while we watch the consequences of the dems destruction on all of us. They bitch and moan about our powerlessness to stop the slide, and the irony and horror of what they did (or didn't do) doesn't even dawn on them.

Yeah those damned voters!!! How dare they expect a candidate running for office in a representative government actually represent even some of the same values.

When your team doesn't win the championships, do you blame the people in the crowd too?

It's been awhile since I posed these questions (and out of all the times have had ZERO reasoned responses), but lets ask again.

Myth Romney supports platforms near the same as those supported by Hillary Clinton - anti-gun; socialized medicine; "rare, safe, and legal abortion;" pro-queer "marriage," arming Al-Qa'ida rebels in Syria. So the questions I have posed:

If Hillary became an (R) and was running against 0 would you vote for her?

If so/not why/why not?

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posted on 01/02/2013 2:14:08 PM PST
by Repeat Offender
(What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)

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