Since I just watched the EPA carbon pollution video, I couldn’t stomach watching this – I lasted about 2 minutes of “the cost of carbon” which doesn’t really mean carbon at all, but carbon dioxide. If you are going to promote something Gore, at least call it by it’s real name. I’m getting sick of this ruse!

I love your attitude on this. :) I agree, and I can’t be bothered either. Hey, why give that clown any viewing numbers at all? Yeah, I know, it’s wise to keep an eye on the Beasts of Doomsday, but we don’t need all of us to do that.

Wake me up if something interesting happens. Better still, I’ll read about it here, tomorrow, the next day, whenever.

YOU’re Gore’s harshest critic? Well, you do have the world’s leading climate website, so you are serious indeed.

I call Gore MASS MURDERER–can you top that? He kills because carbon dioxide, as plant and autotroph food, is the basis of ALL life on Earth. When carbon dioxide is sequestered underground, “the planet” (which means the biosphere) and “the environment” (which also means the biosphere in this context) can support less life. Al Gore is one of the most dangerous things there is to endangered species. They have to eat. Like everything else.

He is also a mass murderer of human beings. All the shrieking about the sky falling led to the use of corn ethanol in cars, to reduce fossil use. That meant less food–and it was the price of food that sparked the “Arab Spring” riots which killed at least 10 000 Arabs. Riots are never about freedom–always about the price of food. There have probably been tens to hundreds of thousands of others who have starved to death–or been weakened by hunger and succumbed to other things as a direct result.

Fighting energy has also crushed the poor in America and elsewhere, undoubtedly leading to deaths from heat stroke (no air conditioner) and freezing, even in America. World unemployment is seriously high now. That leads to family arguments, and that leads to murders. Crushing energy crushes business, and then they can’t hire people. It is not just death that Gore has caused, but a stupendous amount of suffering. One word for people like that is “monster.”
There are many other words that you do not want on your website.

I skipped the videos and went straight to the Cost of Carbon Tool. It turns out that here in London, UK we are at risk of flood, drought and wildfire. That can result in, among other dangers all presented with neat little icons: higher food prices, water scarcity, ecological damage and – most shockingly – loss of wildlife. Gosh, just the thought of losing all those poor rats, foxes and pigeons to flood or wildfire! The horror!

Happily, there is no alarming icon of a human in flames, so I take it there is no need to panic.

1. The IEA said last year that $5 trillion is needed through 2020 to moderate temperature gains since industrialization to 2 degrees Celsius (3.6 Fahrenheit), a UN target. That’s on top of a projected $19 trillion of spending by the energy industry in a business-as-usual scenario, and is equivalent to an extra $625 billion a year for eight years.

So, we have one side that advocates spending $24 trillion through just 2020 to address the projected outcome of global temperatures from global climate models that use equations that represent what climate scientist theorize are the physics in our atmosphere(even though they have been wrong for 15 years)

Or, we can do nothing, save $24 trillion and reap trillions in benefits from crop yeilds and world food production that we know for certain will continue to occur because of the proven laws of photosynthesis and the profound contribution from CO2.

There are countless men that did far less harm to the human race/planet than Al Gore has, that received life in prison or the death penalty for their crimes.
Instead, he was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, an Emmy for his movie and hundreds of millions of dollars.

22 Oct: BBC: Matt McGrath: UN climate chief’s tears over future generations
The head of the UN body tasked with delivering a global climate treaty broke down in tears at a meeting in London as she spoke about the impact of global warming on coming generations.
Christiana Figueres told the BBC that the lack of an agreement was “condemning future generations before they are even born”.
Ms Figueres said this was “completely unfair and immoral”…
Speaking to the BBC on the sidelines of a climate conference at Chatham House in London, Ms Figueres became tearful when she reflected on the impact that climate change might have on coming generations.
“I’m committed to climate change because of future generations, it is not about us, right? We’re out of here,” she said…
“We have a choice about it, that’s the point, we have a choice. If it were inevitable then so be it, but we have a choice to change the future we are going to give our children.” ….
She said she was determined to avoid the mistakes that were made in the run up to Copenhagen in 2009, when expectations of a far reaching global compact faltered.
“We are not going to have another Copenhagen – the leaders of the world are not just being brought in at the last minute, to face 300 pages of text that is completely impossible to digest…
This year’s Conference of the Parties to the UNFCCC will take place next month in Poland.
Chasing pirates
***Some environmental campaigners are concerned that because of the country’s heavy dependence on coal, it is less committed to strong action on climate change.
Critics took issue with comments on an official website for the conference that suggested there were many positives to the unprecedented melting of Arctic ice, including the opportunity to chase “pirates, terrorists and ecologists”…http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-24615946

“Shows you just how much he’s fallen off the radar..”
Poor chap fell from grace when he muddied the cry-oh-spherics blaming soot rather than sticking strictly to the CO2 script-http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2009/apr/28/black-carbon-emissions
Blaming the dung and wood-burners, for much of ‘the problem’, was of course heresy for Western liberal progressive self-loathers.
Mind you whipping up mass hysteria over a colourless odourless gas in our fizzy drinks is hard going, so naturally they always ‘wanna put a price on carbon pollution’. Gore was a bit stupid in not fully appreciating the finer nuances of the game. Nevertheless you have to give him credit for seizing all that green stuff he did as an early adopter of the gravy train.

Gore Blimey! He’s probably “staging” his project so he can sell another TV station to the Middle East. The 19 million hits on the news East Africans are moving away from an eroded coastline is a measure of the hyperbole to be expected. There isn’t a tenth that many that would even know there was such a happening. I’m sure he has engaged a re-election team of old to get the faithful to just give him a lot of hits. In the rating game, he’s competing with the World Series of Baseball, the NBA preseason play, the beginning of the NHL 13-14 season, the Real Housewives of New Jersey…….

Preliminary lines for a poem — nothing is finished here. Some of these lines will just disappear and certainly more will be added. Sometimes writing a poem is just not straightforward.

AL GORE — AMERICAN BLOVIATOR

Forever, forever, its all Al Gore!
Now, in the future and always before!
Spinning himself with the words he can whirl
The earth is his oyster, he is its pearl

—-Carbon dioxide is filling the air!
And there’s no escaping — IT’S EVERYWHERE!
It’s up in the sky and under your bed!
It’s deep in your lungs, comes out of your head!
The polar caps melt from CO2’s heat!
The seas will be rising twenty five feet!
The ocean conveyor ceasing to flow!
Where water goes stagnant algae will grow!
A growth in plant life that carbon promotes!
A Sargasso Sea that seamlessly floats!
The teddy bears — wait! — the polar bears drown!
As carbon goes up survival goes down!

More lines need to be written and some discarded. The poem will end like this.

Whatever Al says he fully believes
First before others himself he deceives
Then sure of THE TRUTH his dictums are hurled
Like God, by The Word, creating the world

Just out of curiosity I had a quick look at it about 20 minutes in. I vaguely recall I saw that it had something like 17.5 million views (presumably the total number of views ever for the climate-reality ustream account–last year’s effort went up to 16.3 million when it finished so would have started from at least there). Prompted by Anthony’s post, I’ve had another look at it just now and they’ve disabled reporting of the viewing figures.

I started some work last year analysing the viewing figures, but was eventually overcome by apathy (Gore etc. are so not worth the effort). I did manage to put together a couple of videos (click my name), basically showing the viewing figures magically increasing. The “two minute” version is quite amusing if you want to see implausibly increasing viewer counts, and you’re into that kind of thing.

Mr. Gore, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

I watched some of the stream from “24 hours of climate reality” this morning. To call it reality is fraudulent, its just more one sided, unrealistic arguments using cherry picked data. Much the same as we’ve seen from Gore and co for the last 20 years.

Ok, I admit to actually having listened to their Climate Surreality (Salvador Dali still is with us) program which means that I have no social life this Tuesday evening. Seated between Al Gore and some other self important know-it-all was a young, blonde haired woman named Samantha. She described how she had lost her home due to Hurricane Sandy. And, of course, the implication was that global warming had something to do with this.

Now, certain personal situations have encouraged me to investigate home prices in an upper middle class Western Chicago suburb. It’s a long story and has zip to do with an intended purchase. Anyway, what I noticed early on was, ‘Foreclosure Sale,’ attached to one home on the market. Shortly thereafter was another ‘Foreclosure Sale’ and another one. For a change of pace one home was for sale ‘Ahead of bank foreclosure.’

I wonder what these home losses feel like to these families? Unlike a catastrophic loss where there’s likely to be insurance coverage, however inadequate it may or may not be, in a foreclosure there’s no insurance to cover that loss. And how many foreclosures will the brave new economies of global climate governance encourage? We all know, that the most significant part of the reduction in CO2 emissions in the industrial nations is the direct result of the drop in output due to the 2008 recession and the lackluster, piddling recovery that followed.

For some reason, I have a strong suspicion that if we spent just a teensy bit of time searching we could discover a whole boatload of young, blonde foreclosettes to plant at that table between Mr. Take Your Tragedy and Run With It Gore, and Mr. Know-it-all. Of course that table wouldn’t be adequate. They’d then need a table far to big to fit in that studio.

Couldn’t bring myself to help their viewer count. All the word plays that came to mind have been done. Forcing my way through AIT just to see what was being said was more Gore than I want in my head. Nevermore.

“I’d rather watch re-runs of the South Park episodes with ManBearPig” (Taphonomic at 4pm)

Me, too (or Oss Qss’ great post of Inofe at 6:51pm — thanks OQ!).

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Hey, Tom J, (re: 6:14pm) I think I know why you’re out in the snow looking at “comparables.” If I’m right, I am so sorry. Just in case (and God knows what it is, so I prayed He would apply the prayer per reality), I just prayed for you (and for your health, too). Hang in there. Take it one day at a time and know that a new, happier, chapter will begin. It’s just a matter of time. Take care, super-cool WUWT poster. (and in case I don’t get to say it closer to the day (I already attempted to after you had abandoned the thread a week or so ago) — HAPPY HALLOWEEN! — it IS a great holiday — so much fun). J.

Thanks. Actually I wasn’t looking at ‘comparables’ for anything other than property tax issues. Thanks for the concern though. And guess what; Al Gore’s not visiting this area so that’ll keep the snow away for a little bit. But it is coming.

Shall I tell Al and friends, that doom is coming soon?
Our primeval myths talk of walking trees, OK I just made that up blame Tolkien, but if one was to dress up the fantasy that trees are currently immobile and speechless, in a hibernation state due to a shortage of CO2 in their air.
And when the dark evil engines of modern civilization, bring atmospheric co2 levels up to, say 457.25 ppm, the trees will awake from this comatose state and go forth to destroy the works of man.
Absolute rubbish, but I believe this doom scenario could be sold to the cult.
A couple of science-cy reports in Nature, a few fearful AP reports and a new myth is of and running.
Some official looking statements of killer plants in commercial greenhouses and the myth becomes a new truth of the anti humanists eco-cultists.

Well — phew! — glad to hear that, Tom J. You men (head shake). “Personal issues” used cryptically has a completely different connotation for me. Hope all goes well. Thanks for taking the time to respond. J. Moore

(can’t brag about a neat ride, but…. I, too, thumb my nose at the Envirostalinists: I drive a low-geared Chevy Suburban into which I put non-ethanol gas (get it from Cenex) AND which gets less than 15 miles to the gallon around town.

—- and I accelerate sharply and drive FAST whenever I can. (That is, when I’m not behind some control freak like I was last Thursday evening — on the back of her stupid car were 3 bumper stickers: “Drive 25 (that’s 40km/hr!)” — “Buy organic” — forgot the third, I’m sure it was edifying).

The “Cost of Carbon Tool” is appalling. It lists ordinary cyclones that have hit Samoa and Australia as if they were somehow a result of “Carbon”. They list cyclone Ilui which hit Queensland in 2010 and they claim it killed one person. Aside from the fact that a single death seems not so severe, the death in fact was a teenage competitor in a surf life saving event held during the large swell generated by Ilui so I think it is pretty far fetched to attribute that death the “Carbon”! What a load of CR(a)P!

This UN official has openly stated that the bush fires currently raging here in New South Wales, Australia, are linked to climate change. Her science qualifications in relation to climate change are? ZIP!

Shall I tell Al and friends, that doom is coming soon?
Our primeval myths talk of walking trees, OK I just made that up blame Tolkien, but if one was to dress up the fantasy that trees are currently immobile and speechless, in a hibernation state due to a shortage of CO2 in their air.
And when the dark evil engines of modern civilization, bring atmospheric co2 levels up to, say 457.25 ppm, the trees will awake from this comatose state and go forth to destroy the works of man.
Absolute rubbish, but I believe this doom scenario could be sold to the cult.
A couple of science-cy reports in Nature, a few fearful AP reports and a new myth is of and running.
Some official looking statements of killer plants in commercial greenhouses and the myth becomes a new truth of the anti humanists eco-cultists.

I’m amazed it falls to me to mention Al Gore was on Jimmy Kimmel last night to push the show. I thought of posting, but I forgot I’d be giving the west coast 3h10m warning. You didn’t miss much. Well, the stuff before Al was moderately entertaining.

Al did stay it’s not too late to prevent the most dire consequences, so he’s still hoping you’ll donate to saving the world from demon carbon.

Al Gore was interviewed by ABC TV 7.30 Report tonight about the NSW bush fires being Climate Change related. He should be put in jail for his lies and propaganda. Since the fires started the ABC has relentlessly featured “the fires caused by Climate Change” every day. It is so obvious, it’s embarrassing. The only good thing is the majority of Australians are turning against the ABC which we, the taxpayers, fund. No effort is made to present the other side of the debate – their bias is juvenile. One of their prominent and biased hosts, Barry Cassidy of Insiders, is rumoured to lose his position on that show because of the number of complaints about him from the viewers/listeners/”shareholders”.

I see Yahoo Finance is flogging Al and his “reality” project. The finance page is the only Yahoo thing I look at, and it’s getting pretty liberal preachy – anybody have suggestions for a finance site with the basic financial info?

What are the odds on a bet that Obama stayed up all night watching the Gore-a-thon; zealously hanging on every doom and gloom moment? Also, what are the odds on a bet that he probably ordered his staff to watch it with him?

Damaged goods are Gore and his three stooges; Hansen, Oreskes and Revkin.

I have other interests including secular research in biblical archaeology.

Reading an issue of Biblical Archaeology Review May-June 2011, I started the article titled “The Birth & Death of Biblical Minimalism”.

In the mid-1980s the principal argument involved the dating of the final writing of the text of the Hebrew Bible. The minimalist school claimed then that it had been written only in the Hellenistic period, nearly 700 years after the time of David and Solomon, and that the Biblical descriptions were therefore purely literary.

That position has fallen, however and the minimalists reacted in panic, described as “Paradigm-Collapse Trauma and manifesting itself in “literary compilations of groundless arguments masquerading as scientific writing, through footnotes, references and publication in professional journals”.

According to the cost of carbon tool here in the hills of Mid Wales, on a Watershed (Cambrian Mountains) near the sources of the rivers Wye and Severn we are about to suffer from drought, flooding and landslides.
Also the “24 hours of Reality” drivel in the background saying that the 1st world should look to Africa for solutions to CAGW. Wonder what they’re smoking?

“The world invested almost a billion dollars a day in limiting global warming last year, but the total figure – $359 billion – was slightly down on last year, and barely half the $700 billion per year that the World Economic Forum has said is needed to tackle climate change.”

Please forgive me for my offending you by being sexist in my post at 9:47pm on 10/22. I’ll try to be more careful from now on.

Not that it excuses me, but, sometimes I feel like this site is a little sexist at times by its allowing the posting by commenters of certain pejoratives about women and videos of scantily clad women weatherpersons and the like. I haven’t said anything and I’m not going to start saying anything when I see it in the future, but, it sure doesn’t make me, a female, feel welcome here. I would not have even brought this up, now, but for my (being a bit defensive, lol) being called out for sexism above.

Anyway, this is a GREAT SITE. Thank you for moderating and for your care to make WUWT a place where all feel welcome.

Thank you. I needed some encouragement. I was really ashamed of myself. I felt like I did when I was sent out into the hall for telling my second grade teacher that I thought chanting “Ta, ta, tee, tee, ta” for a music lesson was “dumb.” I deserved to be reprimanded, but it was embarrassing.

I’m so thankful that you (and, I think, most of the men on WUWT) have such a fine sense of humor.

BTW, glad to see you posting again this week after being absent for awhile. Hope all is well.

Hey, Johanna! (high-five) You — go — girl! I read you. My general policy is ignore-and-avoid, but, lol, if I ever come across another one …. I will certainly do that ….. for the sake of truth and for the morale of us females. It will, of course, have ZERO impact on the jerk, as you no doubt are well aware.

FYI — To anyone: there was no such “jerk” encountered on this particular thread.

gbaikie says:
October 22, 2013 at 4:27 pm
[LifeGrows said]
“Wow, I am the only skeptic commenting right now.”

It must be like beauty queen visiting a prison

Well, it turned out that I was the only live person commenting. I thought I was reading comments of a bunch of idiots and suckers, but they were ALL fake and part of the show. I was watching a movie and I thought it was live.