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Poch disappointed but not frustrated by Stoke draw

Mauricio Pochettino declared himself disappointed but not frustrated as Saints were held to a 2-2 draw by Stoke.

The Saints boss felt his side, who twice led in the game at St Mary’s, were good value for the win at St Mary’s but still praised the performance of his players.

He said: “I wouldn’t say it was frustrating, I would say it was disappointing.

“I think over the full 90 minutes we deserved to win the game but in football you can’t deserve to win a game, you need to show you can win the game and it wasn’t to be.”

Rickie Lambert fired in a brilliant free kick after six minutes to give Saints the lead but they had to settle for a draw.

“It was a great goal but the only but I would say to that is that after we got that first goal we weren’t aggressive enough to go on and get the second that would have put the game to bed,” said Pochettino.

“We conceded a soft goal, it was 1-1, then we got the lead again and it was 2-1 but we weren’t able to hold onto that lead and conceded a second goal and perhaps we needed a bit more aggressiveness to maintain the lead.

“In the second half we practically nullified Stoke and were creating all the chances but in the end it just wasn’t to be.”

I'm disappointed and frustrated. No vision, imagination up front. Mayo always looking for the back pass to AB playing the whole defence In to trouble (again & again).

Disappointed in MOPO in not making the necessary sub/s to change the game in the 2nd half.

Another two points lost!

I'm disappointed and frustrated. No vision, imagination up front. Mayo always looking for the back pass to AB playing the whole defence In to trouble (again & again).
Disappointed in MOPO in not making the necessary sub/s to change the game in the 2nd half.
Another two points lost!Rank Xerox

Rank Xerox wrote:
I'm disappointed and frustrated. No vision, imagination up front. Mayo always looking for the back pass to AB playing the whole defence In to trouble (again &amp; again).

Disappointed in MOPO in not making the necessary sub/s to change the game in the 2nd half.

Another two points lost!

Rank xerox it doesn't take much to disappoint you!
Can't be good every week.Stoke got what they came for. We had all of the second half but couldn't break them down. It happens.move on to the Tigers mid week.

[quote][p][bold]Rank Xerox[/bold] wrote:
I'm disappointed and frustrated. No vision, imagination up front. Mayo always looking for the back pass to AB playing the whole defence In to trouble (again & again).
Disappointed in MOPO in not making the necessary sub/s to change the game in the 2nd half.
Another two points lost![/p][/quote]Rank xerox it doesn't take much to disappoint you!
Can't be good every week.Stoke got what they came for. We had all of the second half but couldn't break them down. It happens.move on to the Tigers mid week.saint61

Rank Xerox wrote:
I'm disappointed and frustrated. No vision, imagination up front. Mayo always looking for the back pass to AB playing the whole defence In to trouble (again &amp; again).

Disappointed in MOPO in not making the necessary sub/s to change the game in the 2nd half.

Another two points lost!

Rank xerox it doesn't take much to disappoint you!
Can't be good every week.Stoke got what they came for. We had all of the second half but couldn't break them down. It happens.move on to the Tigers mid week.

Also Sunderland next weekend. They had Brown sent off too, should have gone for the tackle on Ramirez funny how things come around.

[quote][p][bold]saint61[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Rank Xerox[/bold] wrote:
I'm disappointed and frustrated. No vision, imagination up front. Mayo always looking for the back pass to AB playing the whole defence In to trouble (again & again).
Disappointed in MOPO in not making the necessary sub/s to change the game in the 2nd half.
Another two points lost![/p][/quote]Rank xerox it doesn't take much to disappoint you!
Can't be good every week.Stoke got what they came for. We had all of the second half but couldn't break them down. It happens.move on to the Tigers mid week.[/p][/quote]Also Sunderland next weekend. They had Brown sent off too, should have gone for the tackle on Ramirez funny how things come around.IanqaRC

jasons odd wrote:
More often than not , we are not getting the points our performances deserve .
Too often we are the dominant better team ... but fail to win .

It doesn't help if over hall the team are frightened to hit it from outside the 18yd box as they appeared to be today.

[quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote:
More often than not , we are not getting the points our performances deserve .
Too often we are the dominant better team ... but fail to win .[/p][/quote]It doesn't help if over hall the team are frightened to hit it from outside the 18yd box as they appeared to be today.Rank Xerox

Rank Xerox wrote:
I'm disappointed and frustrated. No vision, imagination up front. Mayo always looking for the back pass to AB playing the whole defence In to trouble (again &amp; again). Disappointed in MOPO in not making the necessary sub/s to change the game in the 2nd half. Another two points lost!

Who would you have brought on? The bench wasn't exactly overflowing with attacking options, was it?

A draw's not great but it's ok. Three points on Tuesday would be most welcome though.

[quote][p][bold]Rank Xerox[/bold] wrote:
I'm disappointed and frustrated. No vision, imagination up front. Mayo always looking for the back pass to AB playing the whole defence In to trouble (again & again). Disappointed in MOPO in not making the necessary sub/s to change the game in the 2nd half. Another two points lost![/p][/quote]Who would you have brought on? The bench wasn't exactly overflowing with attacking options, was it?
A draw's not great but it's ok. Three points on Tuesday would be most welcome though.Santa Retfordia

Rank Xerox wrote:
I'm disappointed and frustrated. No vision, imagination up front. Mayo always looking for the back pass to AB playing the whole defence In to trouble (again &amp; again). Disappointed in MOPO in not making the necessary sub/s to change the game in the 2nd half. Another two points lost!

Who would you have brought on? The bench wasn't exactly overflowing with attacking options, was it?

A draw's not great but it's ok. Three points on Tuesday would be most welcome though.

I would have got Guly on, JR was just not doing it today. I feel it would have been better than leaving JR on.

[quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Rank Xerox[/bold] wrote:
I'm disappointed and frustrated. No vision, imagination up front. Mayo always looking for the back pass to AB playing the whole defence In to trouble (again & again). Disappointed in MOPO in not making the necessary sub/s to change the game in the 2nd half. Another two points lost![/p][/quote]Who would you have brought on? The bench wasn't exactly overflowing with attacking options, was it?
A draw's not great but it's ok. Three points on Tuesday would be most welcome though.[/p][/quote]I would have got Guly on, JR was just not doing it today. I feel it would have been better than leaving JR on.Rank Xerox

Rank Xerox wrote:
I'm disappointed and frustrated. No vision, imagination up front. Mayo always looking for the back pass to AB playing the whole defence In to trouble (again &amp; again). Disappointed in MOPO in not making the necessary sub/s to change the game in the 2nd half. Another two points lost!

Who would you have brought on? The bench wasn't exactly overflowing with attacking options, was it?

A draw's not great but it's ok. Three points on Tuesday would be most welcome though.

I would have got Guly on, JR was just not doing it today. I feel it would have been better than leaving JR on.

Given the players on the bench, I wasn't surprised MP didn't use any, other than Chambers.

It clearly highlights, with Gaston injured and Osvaldo on the naughty step, that we have very few attacking options, once you get past the usual front three.

The only option, may have been JWP, purely for his crossing ability, IMO.

[quote][p][bold]Rank Xerox[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Rank Xerox[/bold] wrote:
I'm disappointed and frustrated. No vision, imagination up front. Mayo always looking for the back pass to AB playing the whole defence In to trouble (again & again). Disappointed in MOPO in not making the necessary sub/s to change the game in the 2nd half. Another two points lost![/p][/quote]Who would you have brought on? The bench wasn't exactly overflowing with attacking options, was it?
A draw's not great but it's ok. Three points on Tuesday would be most welcome though.[/p][/quote]I would have got Guly on, JR was just not doing it today. I feel it would have been better than leaving JR on.[/p][/quote]Given the players on the bench, I wasn't surprised MP didn't use any, other than Chambers.
It clearly highlights, with Gaston injured and Osvaldo on the naughty step, that we have very few attacking options, once you get past the usual front three.
The only option, may have been JWP, purely for his crossing ability, IMO.Costa Baz

Rank Xerox wrote: I'm disappointed and frustrated. No vision, imagination up front. Mayo always looking for the back pass to AB playing the whole defence In to trouble (again &amp; again). Disappointed in MOPO in not making the necessary sub/s to change the game in the 2nd half. Another two points lost!

Who would you have brought on? The bench wasn't exactly overflowing with attacking options, was it? A draw's not great but it's ok. Three points on Tuesday would be most welcome though.

I would have got Guly on, JR was just not doing it today. I feel it would have been better than leaving JR on.

Given the players on the bench, I wasn't surprised MP didn't use any, other than Chambers. It clearly highlights, with Gaston injured and Osvaldo on the naughty step, that we have very few attacking options, once you get past the usual front three. The only option, may have been JWP, purely for his crossing ability, IMO.

Innit. No Osvaldo, Gallagher or Ramirez does rather leave us without a plan B. But we're just going to have to deal with that for the foreseeable.

[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Rank Xerox[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rank Xerox[/bold] wrote: I'm disappointed and frustrated. No vision, imagination up front. Mayo always looking for the back pass to AB playing the whole defence In to trouble (again & again). Disappointed in MOPO in not making the necessary sub/s to change the game in the 2nd half. Another two points lost![/p][/quote]Who would you have brought on? The bench wasn't exactly overflowing with attacking options, was it? A draw's not great but it's ok. Three points on Tuesday would be most welcome though.[/p][/quote]I would have got Guly on, JR was just not doing it today. I feel it would have been better than leaving JR on.[/p][/quote]Given the players on the bench, I wasn't surprised MP didn't use any, other than Chambers. It clearly highlights, with Gaston injured and Osvaldo on the naughty step, that we have very few attacking options, once you get past the usual front three. The only option, may have been JWP, purely for his crossing ability, IMO.[/p][/quote]Innit. No Osvaldo, Gallagher or Ramirez does rather leave us without a plan B. But we're just going to have to deal with that for the foreseeable.Santa Retfordia

So difficult the Wanyama / Cork debate. Jack is always close to MOTM, constantly harrying, making challenges and keeping the ball morning. Wanyama’s contribution is less obvious, however at the start of the season a key reason for our fantastic defensive record was that we didn’t even concede opportunities of shots on our goal in the first place. Jack is brilliant a helping sorting out any problems, whereas with Victor those problems didn’t exist in the first place. Who knows what could have been, but the problems we were caused today but a mediocre attacking team show Victor is under-rated by many.

So difficult the Wanyama / Cork debate. Jack is always close to MOTM, constantly harrying, making challenges and keeping the ball morning. Wanyama’s contribution is less obvious, however at the start of the season a key reason for our fantastic defensive record was that we didn’t even concede opportunities of shots on our goal in the first place. Jack is brilliant a helping sorting out any problems, whereas with Victor those problems didn’t exist in the first place. Who knows what could have been, but the problems we were caused today but a mediocre attacking team show Victor is under-rated by many.Kamawoop

Rank Xerox wrote: I'm disappointed and frustrated. No vision, imagination up front. Mayo always looking for the back pass to AB playing the whole defence In to trouble (again &amp; again). Disappointed in MOPO in not making the necessary sub/s to change the game in the 2nd half. Another two points lost!

Who would you have brought on? The bench wasn't exactly overflowing with attacking options, was it? A draw's not great but it's ok. Three points on Tuesday would be most welcome though.

I would have got Guly on, JR was just not doing it today. I feel it would have been better than leaving JR on.

Given the players on the bench, I wasn't surprised MP didn't use any, other than Chambers. It clearly highlights, with Gaston injured and Osvaldo on the naughty step, that we have very few attacking options, once you get past the usual front three. The only option, may have been JWP, purely for his crossing ability, IMO.

Innit. No Osvaldo, Gallagher or Ramirez does rather leave us without a plan B. But we're just going to have to deal with that for the foreseeable.

Not defending Rank Xerox - it says it all that I can't remember him commenting after we won last week - but I tend to agree that, with Guly and Victor on the bench, there were some options. Furthermore, if MP has no faith in those he picked for the bench, there is (unless they're unavailable for any reason) Omar Rowe and Ryan Seagar. Jay was well below his recent standards, so why not change things? Especially as we have a road trip midweek.

[quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Rank Xerox[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rank Xerox[/bold] wrote: I'm disappointed and frustrated. No vision, imagination up front. Mayo always looking for the back pass to AB playing the whole defence In to trouble (again & again). Disappointed in MOPO in not making the necessary sub/s to change the game in the 2nd half. Another two points lost![/p][/quote]Who would you have brought on? The bench wasn't exactly overflowing with attacking options, was it? A draw's not great but it's ok. Three points on Tuesday would be most welcome though.[/p][/quote]I would have got Guly on, JR was just not doing it today. I feel it would have been better than leaving JR on.[/p][/quote]Given the players on the bench, I wasn't surprised MP didn't use any, other than Chambers. It clearly highlights, with Gaston injured and Osvaldo on the naughty step, that we have very few attacking options, once you get past the usual front three. The only option, may have been JWP, purely for his crossing ability, IMO.[/p][/quote]Innit. No Osvaldo, Gallagher or Ramirez does rather leave us without a plan B. But we're just going to have to deal with that for the foreseeable.[/p][/quote]Not defending Rank Xerox - it says it all that I can't remember him commenting after we won last week - but I tend to agree that, with Guly and Victor on the bench, there were some options. Furthermore, if MP has no faith in those he picked for the bench, there is (unless they're unavailable for any reason) Omar Rowe and Ryan Seagar. Jay was well below his recent standards, so why not change things? Especially as we have a road trip midweek.Strasbourg Saint

Just seen the Chelsea penalty. Contact? Sure. But Jose was wrestled to the ground with far greater force from one of our corner, yet we got nothing.

Chelsea seem to get a penalty every week. I guess Mourinho practises these things.

Just seen the Chelsea penalty. Contact? Sure. But Jose was wrestled to the ground with far greater force from one of our corner, yet we got nothing.
Chelsea seem to get a penalty every week. I guess Mourinho practises these things.Strasbourg Saint

Stoke were good in the first half but faded badly in the second. We huffed and puffed but couldn't break them down. A couple of silly mistakes cost us. The strength of the bench meant no fresh legs to bring on. Artur looks like he's put on a few pounds since Xmas, or maybe his top shrunk in the wash?

Stoke were good in the first half but faded badly in the second. We huffed and puffed but couldn't break them down. A couple of silly mistakes cost us. The strength of the bench meant no fresh legs to bring on. Artur looks like he's put on a few pounds since Xmas, or maybe his top shrunk in the wash?donni1437

Rank Xerox wrote: I'm disappointed and frustrated. No vision, imagination up front. Mayo always looking for the back pass to AB playing the whole defence In to trouble (again &amp; again). Disappointed in MOPO in not making the necessary sub/s to change the game in the 2nd half. Another two points lost!

Who would you have brought on? The bench wasn't exactly overflowing with attacking options, was it? A draw's not great but it's ok. Three points on Tuesday would be most welcome though.

I would have got Guly on, JR was just not doing it today. I feel it would have been better than leaving JR on.

Given the players on the bench, I wasn't surprised MP didn't use any, other than Chambers. It clearly highlights, with Gaston injured and Osvaldo on the naughty step, that we have very few attacking options, once you get past the usual front three. The only option, may have been JWP, purely for his crossing ability, IMO.

Innit. No Osvaldo, Gallagher or Ramirez does rather leave us without a plan B. But we're just going to have to deal with that for the foreseeable.

Not defending Rank Xerox - it says it all that I can't remember him commenting after we won last week - but I tend to agree that, with Guly and Victor on the bench, there were some options. Furthermore, if MP has no faith in those he picked for the bench, there is (unless they're unavailable for any reason) Omar Rowe and Ryan Seagar. Jay was well below his recent standards, so why not change things? Especially as we have a road trip midweek.

I wasn't criticising Rank Xerox; just interested in his thoughts, really. We're without attacking options for a variety of reasons (all of them valid) but I guess MoPo just thought a slightly off the boil J-Rod had more chance of popping up with a goal than Guly, who I do rate but who isn't really an instinctive striker.

Anyway, it was another crazy day of results and ours could have been worse. But a decent striker needs to be top of our summer shopping list.

[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rank Xerox[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rank Xerox[/bold] wrote: I'm disappointed and frustrated. No vision, imagination up front. Mayo always looking for the back pass to AB playing the whole defence In to trouble (again & again). Disappointed in MOPO in not making the necessary sub/s to change the game in the 2nd half. Another two points lost![/p][/quote]Who would you have brought on? The bench wasn't exactly overflowing with attacking options, was it? A draw's not great but it's ok. Three points on Tuesday would be most welcome though.[/p][/quote]I would have got Guly on, JR was just not doing it today. I feel it would have been better than leaving JR on.[/p][/quote]Given the players on the bench, I wasn't surprised MP didn't use any, other than Chambers. It clearly highlights, with Gaston injured and Osvaldo on the naughty step, that we have very few attacking options, once you get past the usual front three. The only option, may have been JWP, purely for his crossing ability, IMO.[/p][/quote]Innit. No Osvaldo, Gallagher or Ramirez does rather leave us without a plan B. But we're just going to have to deal with that for the foreseeable.[/p][/quote]Not defending Rank Xerox - it says it all that I can't remember him commenting after we won last week - but I tend to agree that, with Guly and Victor on the bench, there were some options. Furthermore, if MP has no faith in those he picked for the bench, there is (unless they're unavailable for any reason) Omar Rowe and Ryan Seagar. Jay was well below his recent standards, so why not change things? Especially as we have a road trip midweek.[/p][/quote]I wasn't criticising Rank Xerox; just interested in his thoughts, really. We're without attacking options for a variety of reasons (all of them valid) but I guess MoPo just thought a slightly off the boil J-Rod had more chance of popping up with a goal than Guly, who I do rate but who isn't really an instinctive striker.
Anyway, it was another crazy day of results and ours could have been worse. But a decent striker needs to be top of our summer shopping list.Santa Retfordia

Rank Xerox wrote: I'm disappointed and frustrated. No vision, imagination up front. Mayo always looking for the back pass to AB playing the whole defence In to trouble (again &amp; again). Disappointed in MOPO in not making the necessary sub/s to change the game in the 2nd half. Another two points lost!

Who would you have brought on? The bench wasn't exactly overflowing with attacking options, was it? A draw's not great but it's ok. Three points on Tuesday would be most welcome though.

I would have got Guly on, JR was just not doing it today. I feel it would have been better than leaving JR on.

Given the players on the bench, I wasn't surprised MP didn't use any, other than Chambers. It clearly highlights, with Gaston injured and Osvaldo on the naughty step, that we have very few attacking options, once you get past the usual front three. The only option, may have been JWP, purely for his crossing ability, IMO.

Innit. No Osvaldo, Gallagher or Ramirez does rather leave us without a plan B. But we're just going to have to deal with that for the foreseeable.

Not defending Rank Xerox - it says it all that I can't remember him commenting after we won last week - but I tend to agree that, with Guly and Victor on the bench, there were some options. Furthermore, if MP has no faith in those he picked for the bench, there is (unless they're unavailable for any reason) Omar Rowe and Ryan Seagar. Jay was well below his recent standards, so why not change things? Especially as we have a road trip midweek.

I wasn't criticising Rank Xerox; just interested in his thoughts, really. We're without attacking options for a variety of reasons (all of them valid) but I guess MoPo just thought a slightly off the boil J-Rod had more chance of popping up with a goal than Guly, who I do rate but who isn't really an instinctive striker.

Anyway, it was another crazy day of results and ours could have been worse. But a decent striker needs to be top of our summer shopping list.

Yep! Did you get there today?

[quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rank Xerox[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rank Xerox[/bold] wrote: I'm disappointed and frustrated. No vision, imagination up front. Mayo always looking for the back pass to AB playing the whole defence In to trouble (again & again). Disappointed in MOPO in not making the necessary sub/s to change the game in the 2nd half. Another two points lost![/p][/quote]Who would you have brought on? The bench wasn't exactly overflowing with attacking options, was it? A draw's not great but it's ok. Three points on Tuesday would be most welcome though.[/p][/quote]I would have got Guly on, JR was just not doing it today. I feel it would have been better than leaving JR on.[/p][/quote]Given the players on the bench, I wasn't surprised MP didn't use any, other than Chambers. It clearly highlights, with Gaston injured and Osvaldo on the naughty step, that we have very few attacking options, once you get past the usual front three. The only option, may have been JWP, purely for his crossing ability, IMO.[/p][/quote]Innit. No Osvaldo, Gallagher or Ramirez does rather leave us without a plan B. But we're just going to have to deal with that for the foreseeable.[/p][/quote]Not defending Rank Xerox - it says it all that I can't remember him commenting after we won last week - but I tend to agree that, with Guly and Victor on the bench, there were some options. Furthermore, if MP has no faith in those he picked for the bench, there is (unless they're unavailable for any reason) Omar Rowe and Ryan Seagar. Jay was well below his recent standards, so why not change things? Especially as we have a road trip midweek.[/p][/quote]I wasn't criticising Rank Xerox; just interested in his thoughts, really. We're without attacking options for a variety of reasons (all of them valid) but I guess MoPo just thought a slightly off the boil J-Rod had more chance of popping up with a goal than Guly, who I do rate but who isn't really an instinctive striker.
Anyway, it was another crazy day of results and ours could have been worse. But a decent striker needs to be top of our summer shopping list.[/p][/quote]Yep! Did you get there today?Strasbourg Saint

[quote][p][bold]Rank Xerox[/bold] wrote:
I'm disappointed and frustrated. No vision, imagination up front. Mayo always looking for the back pass to AB playing the whole defence In to trouble (again & again).
Disappointed in MOPO in not making the necessary sub/s to change the game in the 2nd half.
Another two points lost![/p][/quote]effin ell mate , doom and gloom merchant or what, go and have a beer u t sflorida saint

Should have been 1-0 the Rickie goal, the other three were all poor defending. We were poor just not enough about us to get it over the line and with Newcastle losing, as expected, it's a chance missed. Still fancy us for 8th or 9th but the Hull ad Wet Spam games need to yield 4 points min.

Should have been 1-0 the Rickie goal, the other three were all poor defending. We were poor just not enough about us to get it over the line and with Newcastle losing, as expected, it's a chance missed. Still fancy us for 8th or 9th but the Hull ad Wet Spam games need to yield 4 points min.Seedhouse the Unrepentant

stoke are one of the most boring, dullest team to player after west spam. they came to Southampton for the point and got it by sitting 10 men behind crouch. you cant expect saints to put in a display like they did against arsenal when playing against a team like stoke who like sitting back.
anyway, a point is better than nothing.
i do have to point out that a) i honestly feel Boruc gets too comfortable in goal. he makes some wordly saves then follows it up with some school boy errors. b) we no impact subs. we've got some defensive midfielders but no decent attackers to change a game. look at the likes of city, Chelsea, united..they've got the likes of navas, Oscar and hernandez than can come on later and change the game. we need to shop in the summer if we are to push for top 5 next season

stoke are one of the most boring, dullest team to player after west spam. they came to Southampton for the point and got it by sitting 10 men behind crouch. you cant expect saints to put in a display like they did against arsenal when playing against a team like stoke who like sitting back.
anyway, a point is better than nothing.
i do have to point out that a) i honestly feel Boruc gets too comfortable in goal. he makes some wordly saves then follows it up with some school boy errors. b) we no impact subs. we've got some defensive midfielders but no decent attackers to change a game. look at the likes of city, Chelsea, united..they've got the likes of navas, Oscar and hernandez than can come on later and change the game. we need to shop in the summer if we are to push for top 5 next seasonDubai-saints89

No other clubs get caught by sucker punches then dud you watch the Arsenal game then what a stupid comment !!

[quote][p][bold]Fatty x Ford Worker[/bold] wrote:
Wise up Saints caught again by a sucker punch![/p][/quote]No other clubs get caught by sucker punches then dud you watch the Arsenal game then what a stupid comment !!Simmo13

That's probably the first game of the season he has watched stoke came for point beat Man U at old Trafford weather conditions against decent game and you read twaddle like that !

[quote][p][bold]florida saint[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Rank Xerox[/bold] wrote:
I'm disappointed and frustrated. No vision, imagination up front. Mayo always looking for the back pass to AB playing the whole defence In to trouble (again & again).
Disappointed in MOPO in not making the necessary sub/s to change the game in the 2nd half.
Another two points lost![/p][/quote]effin ell mate , doom and gloom merchant or what, go and have a beer u t s[/p][/quote]That's probably the first game of the season he has watched stoke came for point beat Man U at old Trafford weather conditions against decent game and you read twaddle like that !Simmo13

miltonarcher wrote:
Draw a fair result in the end, tell you what, this is the sort of game we would have lost in the past.

So true.

Absolutely

[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote:
Draw a fair result in the end, tell you what, this is the sort of game we would have lost in the past.[/p][/quote]So true.[/p][/quote]AbsolutelySimmo13

No other clubs get caught by sucker punches then dud you watch the Arsenal game then what a stupid comment !!

What do you expect from a bone idle ex Ford worker? A sensible comment.

[quote][p][bold]Simmo13[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Fatty x Ford Worker[/bold] wrote:
Wise up Saints caught again by a sucker punch![/p][/quote]No other clubs get caught by sucker punches then dud you watch the Arsenal game then what a stupid comment !![/p][/quote]What do you expect from a bone idle ex Ford worker? A sensible comment.saint61

If ever there was a game set up for Wanyama it was this one. Our mid-field was out muscled and were usually second to the ball especially in the first half. Hence the service to our strikers was poor. Its been the same in the 1st Division, and in the Championship as well, we do not seem to know how to play against teams whose main object is to defend, which Stoke did effectively.

If ever there was a game set up for Wanyama it was this one. Our mid-field was out muscled and were usually second to the ball especially in the first half. Hence the service to our strikers was poor. Its been the same in the 1st Division, and in the Championship as well, we do not seem to know how to play against teams whose main object is to defend, which Stoke did effectively.Harby

3 goals against Fulham all fast counter attacks…when we take our time in the build up we rarely score as all routes to goal are blocked….

Speed up at the front and a clinical finisher, SRL is a great provider and lethal finsher but speed is not his game, JRod has speed but his conversion ratio is decidedly average.

3 goals against Fulham all fast counter attacks…when we take our time in the build up we rarely score as all routes to goal are blocked….
Speed up at the front and a clinical finisher, SRL is a great provider and lethal finsher but speed is not his game, JRod has speed but his conversion ratio is decidedly average.warrens 76

Stoke at home; very wet; very windy; Hughes looking for a point - a dull draw very predictable.

But.....

Thirty six points; pushing for 8th position; well clear of the nine or so clubs now locked in a really grim relegation battle; still in the FA Cup - and plenty of hugely enjoyable games this season now in the memory locker.

I'm happy.

Stoke at home; very wet; very windy; Hughes looking for a point - a dull draw very predictable.
But.....
Thirty six points; pushing for 8th position; well clear of the nine or so clubs now locked in a really grim relegation battle; still in the FA Cup - and plenty of hugely enjoyable games this season now in the memory locker.
I'm happy.Confucious

Definitely a superior performance and he stats show our dominance. The worrying stat however is the # of shots on target, a paltry 5 (1 was a cross that went in!!) Begovic had quite a comfortable game...we can only score if we make keepers work!! This needs to be 'fixed' if we are serious about climbing the table. Overall a good performance in v v difficult conditions..

Definitely a superior performance and he stats show our dominance. The worrying stat however is the # of shots on target, a paltry 5 (1 was a cross that went in!!) Begovic had quite a comfortable game...we can only score if we make keepers work!! This needs to be 'fixed' if we are serious about climbing the table. Overall a good performance in v v difficult conditions..Wembley76

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Should have been 1-0 the Rickie goal, the other three were all poor defending. We were poor just not enough about us to get it over the line and with Newcastle losing, as expected, it's a chance missed. Still fancy us for 8th or 9th but the Hull ad Wet Spam games need to yield 4 points min.

Playing both Hull & West Ham away maybe to our advantage. Both clubs need points and with both at home they will surely feel it necessary to have to go for a victory as opposed to settling for a draw and a point as they would if the games were at St Marys. This, hopefully, will leave room in the opponent's half as they press forward leaving Lambert & Co more room to exploit any goal scoring opportunities. Speed on the break will be essential to ensure West Ham & Hull lack time to reorganise their defence once an attack breaks down.

[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote:
Should have been 1-0 the Rickie goal, the other three were all poor defending. We were poor just not enough about us to get it over the line and with Newcastle losing, as expected, it's a chance missed. Still fancy us for 8th or 9th but the Hull ad Wet Spam games need to yield 4 points min.[/p][/quote]Playing both Hull & West Ham away maybe to our advantage. Both clubs need points and with both at home they will surely feel it necessary to have to go for a victory as opposed to settling for a draw and a point as they would if the games were at St Marys. This, hopefully, will leave room in the opponent's half as they press forward leaving Lambert & Co more room to exploit any goal scoring opportunities. Speed on the break will be essential to ensure West Ham & Hull lack time to reorganise their defence once an attack breaks down.JohnItaly

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Should have been 1-0 the Rickie goal, the other three were all poor defending. We were poor just not enough about us to get it over the line and with Newcastle losing, as expected, it's a chance missed. Still fancy us for 8th or 9th but the Hull ad Wet Spam games need to yield 4 points min.

Playing both Hull &amp; West Ham away maybe to our advantage. Both clubs need points and with both at home they will surely feel it necessary to have to go for a victory as opposed to settling for a draw and a point as they would if the games were at St Marys. This, hopefully, will leave room in the opponent's half as they press forward leaving Lambert &amp; Co more room to exploit any goal scoring opportunities. Speed on the break will be essential to ensure West Ham &amp; Hull lack time to reorganise their defence once an attack breaks down.

Yep I think you're right. We do struggle to break down teams that park the bus but the disappointing thing yesterday was we did break them down twice but squandered the lead both times. Two goals at home against Stoke should be enough to win a game.

[quote][p][bold]JohnItaly[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote:
Should have been 1-0 the Rickie goal, the other three were all poor defending. We were poor just not enough about us to get it over the line and with Newcastle losing, as expected, it's a chance missed. Still fancy us for 8th or 9th but the Hull ad Wet Spam games need to yield 4 points min.[/p][/quote]Playing both Hull & West Ham away maybe to our advantage. Both clubs need points and with both at home they will surely feel it necessary to have to go for a victory as opposed to settling for a draw and a point as they would if the games were at St Marys. This, hopefully, will leave room in the opponent's half as they press forward leaving Lambert & Co more room to exploit any goal scoring opportunities. Speed on the break will be essential to ensure West Ham & Hull lack time to reorganise their defence once an attack breaks down.[/p][/quote]Yep I think you're right. We do struggle to break down teams that park the bus but the disappointing thing yesterday was we did break them down twice but squandered the lead both times. Two goals at home against Stoke should be enough to win a game.Seedhouse the Unrepentant

so match of the day and goals on sundays pundits have both blamed luke for stokes first goal, yet no one on here has said anything about it. now I think luke is one of the best left backs in the country and should go to the world cup ahead of the non-playing cole, but if fox had made the same mistake these threads would be full of abuse aimed at him, `should never wear a saints shirt again`, `waste of space`, `would be better with 10 men than with him`, etc....
I`m not saying we should give luke any abuse, but surely the posters who gave fox so much stick should feel the need to criticize luke. or is it the case that certain players allowed to make mistakes whilst others aren't?

back to the game, we are going to face similar tactics from blunderland and wet spam in the next couple of weeks and will need to find a way to break through their walls. perhaps big sam will give us a different option from the bench.

so match of the day and goals on sundays pundits have both blamed luke for stokes first goal, yet no one on here has said anything about it. now I think luke is one of the best left backs in the country and should go to the world cup ahead of the non-playing cole, but if fox had made the same mistake these threads would be full of abuse aimed at him, `should never wear a saints shirt again`, `waste of space`, `would be better with 10 men than with him`, etc....
I`m not saying we should give luke any abuse, but surely the posters who gave fox so much stick should feel the need to criticize luke. or is it the case that certain players allowed to make mistakes whilst others aren't?
back to the game, we are going to face similar tactics from blunderland and wet spam in the next couple of weeks and will need to find a way to break through their walls. perhaps big sam will give us a different option from the bench.el caballo santos101

I agree with Mopo disappointing but Saints didn't lose, if they had won they would of gone above Newcastle. I thought that bogey sides were a thing of the past but apparently not because Stoke have always been a bogey and Peter Crouch but Saints are sill ahead of the rest of the pack after the top 6/7 Teams.

When I Googled to go into Saints Site there is an article to click on below the one that takes me into Saints Site from the Daily Mirror about the rumour of Real Madrid sniffing out MoPo and it mentioned that MoPo has a reputation of nurturing home grown talent that of Jay, Adam and Paul Lambert, isn't this unbelievable, who the hell is this idiot Reporter?

I agree with Mopo disappointing but Saints didn't lose, if they had won they would of gone above Newcastle. I thought that bogey sides were a thing of the past but apparently not because Stoke have always been a bogey and Peter Crouch but Saints are sill ahead of the rest of the pack after the top 6/7 Teams.
When I Googled to go into Saints Site there is an article to click on below the one that takes me into Saints Site from the Daily Mirror about the rumour of Real Madrid sniffing out MoPo and it mentioned that MoPo has a reputation of nurturing home grown talent that of Jay, Adam and Paul Lambert, isn't this unbelievable, who the hell is this idiot Reporter?Malcombe

That's probably the first game of the season he has watched stoke came for point beat Man U at old Trafford weather conditions against decent game and you read twaddle like that !

I've been to every home game actually.

I apologise for having an opinion and airing it. I guess this forum is only for the regular bunch who post and god help you if you post something that is negative.

Strasbourg Saint was the only one who tended to agree I had a point - maybe he was watching the same game as me!!!!!

[quote][p][bold]Simmo13[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]florida saint[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Rank Xerox[/bold] wrote:
I'm disappointed and frustrated. No vision, imagination up front. Mayo always looking for the back pass to AB playing the whole defence In to trouble (again & again).
Disappointed in MOPO in not making the necessary sub/s to change the game in the 2nd half.
Another two points lost![/p][/quote]effin ell mate , doom and gloom merchant or what, go and have a beer u t s[/p][/quote]That's probably the first game of the season he has watched stoke came for point beat Man U at old Trafford weather conditions against decent game and you read twaddle like that ![/p][/quote]I've been to every home game actually.
I apologise for having an opinion and airing it. I guess this forum is only for the regular bunch who post and god help you if you post something that is negative.
Strasbourg Saint was the only one who tended to agree I had a point - maybe he was watching the same game as me!!!!!Rank Xerox

el caballo santos101 wrote:
so match of the day and goals on sundays pundits have both blamed luke for stokes first goal, yet no one on here has said anything about it. now I think luke is one of the best left backs in the country and should go to the world cup ahead of the non-playing cole, but if fox had made the same mistake these threads would be full of abuse aimed at him, `should never wear a saints shirt again`, `waste of space`, `would be better with 10 men than with him`, etc....
I`m not saying we should give luke any abuse, but surely the posters who gave fox so much stick should feel the need to criticize luke. or is it the case that certain players allowed to make mistakes whilst others aren't?

back to the game, we are going to face similar tactics from blunderland and wet spam in the next couple of weeks and will need to find a way to break through their walls. perhaps big sam will give us a different option from the bench.

You are right, if certain players get criticised the thumbs down brigade come out in force. Boruc is another one above reproach yet for me he has made more mistakes this season than Shilton did during his entire stay with the club.

[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote:
so match of the day and goals on sundays pundits have both blamed luke for stokes first goal, yet no one on here has said anything about it. now I think luke is one of the best left backs in the country and should go to the world cup ahead of the non-playing cole, but if fox had made the same mistake these threads would be full of abuse aimed at him, `should never wear a saints shirt again`, `waste of space`, `would be better with 10 men than with him`, etc....
I`m not saying we should give luke any abuse, but surely the posters who gave fox so much stick should feel the need to criticize luke. or is it the case that certain players allowed to make mistakes whilst others aren't?
back to the game, we are going to face similar tactics from blunderland and wet spam in the next couple of weeks and will need to find a way to break through their walls. perhaps big sam will give us a different option from the bench.[/p][/quote]You are right, if certain players get criticised the thumbs down brigade come out in force. Boruc is another one above reproach yet for me he has made more mistakes this season than Shilton did during his entire stay with the club.Seedhouse the Unrepentant

Confucious wrote:
Stoke at home; very wet; very windy; Hughes looking for a point - a dull draw very predictable.

But.....

Thirty six points; pushing for 8th position; well clear of the nine or so clubs now locked in a really grim relegation battle; still in the FA Cup - and plenty of hugely enjoyable games this season now in the memory locker.

I'm happy.

I agree, every reason to be happy. Our progress has been one of improvement every season since Saint Markus came to town and this year is no different. There is always scope for better results and hopefully the squad will be stronger next year to cope with the injuries that come along.

Well done to the fans that turned up yesterday and gave it a go in what looked liked horrible conditions. Credit to Stoke, they achieved what they came for. It isn’t always pretty when a team comes with a negating game plan, but it is up to Mauricio to solve the puzzle each week. We were missing the X-factor on the bench due to injuries, let’s hope Katharina is generous with the transfer funds in the summer to go up another level again.

Stoke and Wet Spam visits are never pleasing on the eye, but going back a bit Wimbledon were in a different class of awfulness when they came to town. Large volumes of pre-match alcohol was always a necessity to soften the blow of what was to follow.

[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote:
Stoke at home; very wet; very windy; Hughes looking for a point - a dull draw very predictable.
But.....
Thirty six points; pushing for 8th position; well clear of the nine or so clubs now locked in a really grim relegation battle; still in the FA Cup - and plenty of hugely enjoyable games this season now in the memory locker.
I'm happy.[/p][/quote]I agree, every reason to be happy. Our progress has been one of improvement every season since Saint Markus came to town and this year is no different. There is always scope for better results and hopefully the squad will be stronger next year to cope with the injuries that come along.
Well done to the fans that turned up yesterday and gave it a go in what looked liked horrible conditions. Credit to Stoke, they achieved what they came for. It isn’t always pretty when a team comes with a negating game plan, but it is up to Mauricio to solve the puzzle each week. We were missing the X-factor on the bench due to injuries, let’s hope Katharina is generous with the transfer funds in the summer to go up another level again.
Stoke and Wet Spam visits are never pleasing on the eye, but going back a bit Wimbledon were in a different class of awfulness when they came to town. Large volumes of pre-match alcohol was always a necessity to soften the blow of what was to follow.Mush On The Beach

Rank Xerox wrote:
I'm disappointed and frustrated. No vision, imagination up front. Mayo always looking for the back pass to AB playing the whole defence In to trouble (again &amp; again).

Disappointed in MOPO in not making the necessary sub/s to change the game in the 2nd half.

Another two points lost!

with sam not available who would mp of brought on santa

[quote][p][bold]Rank Xerox[/bold] wrote:
I'm disappointed and frustrated. No vision, imagination up front. Mayo always looking for the back pass to AB playing the whole defence In to trouble (again & again).
Disappointed in MOPO in not making the necessary sub/s to change the game in the 2nd half.
Another two points lost![/p][/quote]with sam not available who would mp of brought on santaup saints

warrens 76 wrote:
3 goals against Fulham all fast counter attacks…when we take our time in the build up we rarely score as all routes to goal are blocked…. Speed up at the front and a clinical finisher, SRL is a great provider and lethal finsher but speed is not his game, JRod has speed but his conversion ratio is decidedly average.

Agree about slow build up, other teams in this league retain the ball but move it forward much faster. It's good that we keep the ball but lets get it forward to the last third instead of playing on the half way line. And when we get near their goal will someone please SHOOT. The conditions yesterday were crying out for someone to put their boot throuh the ball and take a chance. Disappointed with one point but not downhearted. Were 9th in the PREMIER LEAGUE and only 2 wins and a draw away from safety. We can then relax , play our football and see where we need to buy next season. Sunderland without Brown for the cup game , 3 points at Hull Tuesday , another good week being a SAINTS fan. Loving it COYR.

[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote:
3 goals against Fulham all fast counter attacks…when we take our time in the build up we rarely score as all routes to goal are blocked…. Speed up at the front and a clinical finisher, SRL is a great provider and lethal finsher but speed is not his game, JRod has speed but his conversion ratio is decidedly average.[/p][/quote]Agree about slow build up, other teams in this league retain the ball but move it forward much faster. It's good that we keep the ball but lets get it forward to the last third instead of playing on the half way line. And when we get near their goal will someone please SHOOT. The conditions yesterday were crying out for someone to put their boot throuh the ball and take a chance. Disappointed with one point but not downhearted. Were 9th in the PREMIER LEAGUE and only 2 wins and a draw away from safety. We can then relax , play our football and see where we need to buy next season. Sunderland without Brown for the cup game , 3 points at Hull Tuesday , another good week being a SAINTS fan. Loving it COYR.hedge end bob

el caballo santos101 wrote:
so match of the day and goals on sundays pundits have both blamed luke for stokes first goal, yet no one on here has said anything about it. now I think luke is one of the best left backs in the country and should go to the world cup ahead of the non-playing cole, but if fox had made the same mistake these threads would be full of abuse aimed at him, `should never wear a saints shirt again`, `waste of space`, `would be better with 10 men than with him`, etc.... I`m not saying we should give luke any abuse, but surely the posters who gave fox so much stick should feel the need to criticize luke. or is it the case that certain players allowed to make mistakes whilst others aren't? back to the game, we are going to face similar tactics from blunderland and wet spam in the next couple of weeks and will need to find a way to break through their walls. perhaps big sam will give us a different option from the bench.

You cannot compare the number of mistakes Luke makes against Fox. LUKE is still learning as a young lad of 18. Fox is more near to the end of his playing days but still never learned . For his age and experience Fox was ten times worse than Luke is , and i don't think Fox was playing PREMIER LEAGUE football at 18?? Maybe, i coudl be wrong, that that is the reason no comments have been made about Luke's mistake.

[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote:
so match of the day and goals on sundays pundits have both blamed luke for stokes first goal, yet no one on here has said anything about it. now I think luke is one of the best left backs in the country and should go to the world cup ahead of the non-playing cole, but if fox had made the same mistake these threads would be full of abuse aimed at him, `should never wear a saints shirt again`, `waste of space`, `would be better with 10 men than with him`, etc.... I`m not saying we should give luke any abuse, but surely the posters who gave fox so much stick should feel the need to criticize luke. or is it the case that certain players allowed to make mistakes whilst others aren't? back to the game, we are going to face similar tactics from blunderland and wet spam in the next couple of weeks and will need to find a way to break through their walls. perhaps big sam will give us a different option from the bench.[/p][/quote]You cannot compare the number of mistakes Luke makes against Fox. LUKE is still learning as a young lad of 18. Fox is more near to the end of his playing days but still never learned . For his age and experience Fox was ten times worse than Luke is , and i don't think Fox was playing PREMIER LEAGUE football at 18?? Maybe, i coudl be wrong, that that is the reason no comments have been made about Luke's mistake.hedge end bob

el caballo santos101 wrote:
so match of the day and goals on sundays pundits have both blamed luke for stokes first goal, yet no one on here has said anything about it. now I think luke is one of the best left backs in the country and should go to the world cup ahead of the non-playing cole, but if fox had made the same mistake these threads would be full of abuse aimed at him, `should never wear a saints shirt again`, `waste of space`, `would be better with 10 men than with him`, etc.... I`m not saying we should give luke any abuse, but surely the posters who gave fox so much stick should feel the need to criticize luke. or is it the case that certain players allowed to make mistakes whilst others aren't? back to the game, we are going to face similar tactics from blunderland and wet spam in the next couple of weeks and will need to find a way to break through their walls. perhaps big sam will give us a different option from the bench.

You cannot compare the number of mistakes Luke makes against Fox. LUKE is still learning as a young lad of 18. Fox is more near to the end of his playing days but still never learned . For his age and experience Fox was ten times worse than Luke is , and i don't think Fox was playing PREMIER LEAGUE football at 18?? Maybe, i coudl be wrong, that that is the reason no comments have been made about Luke's mistake.

but I`m not comparing the players, luke is far, far better than fox.
what I`m comparing is certain fans reactions to certain players. no one, absolutely no one has even mentioned that luke had made a mistake. yet if fox had played and made that same mistake then these threads would have been full of the same old people saying that fox had cost us the win and 2 points etc. I don't even mind that luke made a mistake, he will make more in the future and as you said he is young and will learn from them. however if luke makes a mistake its almost seen as blasphemy to mention it by the same people who were so quick to jump all over fox. it shouldn't matter that fox hadn't played prem football at an earlier age, SRL didn't until his thirties. fox might have been `out of his depth` but he was brought in to help get us into the prem, like several others, and who would have thought we would go straight up from the championship? I fully expect the club were thinking that we would play at least another season in the champ and by then luke would be ready for the first team. its not fox`s fault that he wasn't good enough for the prem but I bet the club were hoping he would be good enough for a season so that they wouldn't have to throw luke in too early or be forcedto buy another LB. unfortunately he wasn't, again not his fault. he shouldn't though have been given the abuse that he was, no saints player should, but as I said certain players aren't allowed to make a single mistake (some even get booed when their names are announced before the game, or when they come on as a sub) whilst others can have poor games and its never mentioned.

[quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote:
so match of the day and goals on sundays pundits have both blamed luke for stokes first goal, yet no one on here has said anything about it. now I think luke is one of the best left backs in the country and should go to the world cup ahead of the non-playing cole, but if fox had made the same mistake these threads would be full of abuse aimed at him, `should never wear a saints shirt again`, `waste of space`, `would be better with 10 men than with him`, etc.... I`m not saying we should give luke any abuse, but surely the posters who gave fox so much stick should feel the need to criticize luke. or is it the case that certain players allowed to make mistakes whilst others aren't? back to the game, we are going to face similar tactics from blunderland and wet spam in the next couple of weeks and will need to find a way to break through their walls. perhaps big sam will give us a different option from the bench.[/p][/quote]You cannot compare the number of mistakes Luke makes against Fox. LUKE is still learning as a young lad of 18. Fox is more near to the end of his playing days but still never learned . For his age and experience Fox was ten times worse than Luke is , and i don't think Fox was playing PREMIER LEAGUE football at 18?? Maybe, i coudl be wrong, that that is the reason no comments have been made about Luke's mistake.[/p][/quote]but I`m not comparing the players, luke is far, far better than fox.
what I`m comparing is certain fans reactions to certain players. no one, absolutely no one has even mentioned that luke had made a mistake. yet if fox had played and made that same mistake then these threads would have been full of the same old people saying that fox had cost us the win and 2 points etc. I don't even mind that luke made a mistake, he will make more in the future and as you said he is young and will learn from them. however if luke makes a mistake its almost seen as blasphemy to mention it by the same people who were so quick to jump all over fox. it shouldn't matter that fox hadn't played prem football at an earlier age, SRL didn't until his thirties. fox might have been `out of his depth` but he was brought in to help get us into the prem, like several others, and who would have thought we would go straight up from the championship? I fully expect the club were thinking that we would play at least another season in the champ and by then luke would be ready for the first team. its not fox`s fault that he wasn't good enough for the prem but I bet the club were hoping he would be good enough for a season so that they wouldn't have to throw luke in too early or be forcedto buy another LB. unfortunately he wasn't, again not his fault. he shouldn't though have been given the abuse that he was, no saints player should, but as I said certain players aren't allowed to make a single mistake (some even get booed when their names are announced before the game, or when they come on as a sub) whilst others can have poor games and its never mentioned.el caballo santos101

el caballo santos101 wrote:
so match of the day and goals on sundays pundits have both blamed luke for stokes first goal, yet no one on here has said anything about it. now I think luke is one of the best left backs in the country and should go to the world cup ahead of the non-playing cole, but if fox had made the same mistake these threads would be full of abuse aimed at him, `should never wear a saints shirt again`, `waste of space`, `would be better with 10 men than with him`, etc.... I`m not saying we should give luke any abuse, but surely the posters who gave fox so much stick should feel the need to criticize luke. or is it the case that certain players allowed to make mistakes whilst others aren't? back to the game, we are going to face similar tactics from blunderland and wet spam in the next couple of weeks and will need to find a way to break through their walls. perhaps big sam will give us a different option from the bench.

You cannot compare the number of mistakes Luke makes against Fox. LUKE is still learning as a young lad of 18. Fox is more near to the end of his playing days but still never learned . For his age and experience Fox was ten times worse than Luke is , and i don't think Fox was playing PREMIER LEAGUE football at 18?? Maybe, i coudl be wrong, that that is the reason no comments have been made about Luke's mistake.

but I`m not comparing the players, luke is far, far better than fox.
what I`m comparing is certain fans reactions to certain players. no one, absolutely no one has even mentioned that luke had made a mistake. yet if fox had played and made that same mistake then these threads would have been full of the same old people saying that fox had cost us the win and 2 points etc. I don't even mind that luke made a mistake, he will make more in the future and as you said he is young and will learn from them. however if luke makes a mistake its almost seen as blasphemy to mention it by the same people who were so quick to jump all over fox. it shouldn't matter that fox hadn't played prem football at an earlier age, SRL didn't until his thirties. fox might have been `out of his depth` but he was brought in to help get us into the prem, like several others, and who would have thought we would go straight up from the championship? I fully expect the club were thinking that we would play at least another season in the champ and by then luke would be ready for the first team. its not fox`s fault that he wasn't good enough for the prem but I bet the club were hoping he would be good enough for a season so that they wouldn't have to throw luke in too early or be forcedto buy another LB. unfortunately he wasn't, again not his fault. he shouldn't though have been given the abuse that he was, no saints player should, but as I said certain players aren't allowed to make a single mistake (some even get booed when their names are announced before the game, or when they come on as a sub) whilst others can have poor games and its never mentioned.

Yes the trouble with Fox is that he made mistake after mistake and never learned from them.

[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote:
so match of the day and goals on sundays pundits have both blamed luke for stokes first goal, yet no one on here has said anything about it. now I think luke is one of the best left backs in the country and should go to the world cup ahead of the non-playing cole, but if fox had made the same mistake these threads would be full of abuse aimed at him, `should never wear a saints shirt again`, `waste of space`, `would be better with 10 men than with him`, etc.... I`m not saying we should give luke any abuse, but surely the posters who gave fox so much stick should feel the need to criticize luke. or is it the case that certain players allowed to make mistakes whilst others aren't? back to the game, we are going to face similar tactics from blunderland and wet spam in the next couple of weeks and will need to find a way to break through their walls. perhaps big sam will give us a different option from the bench.[/p][/quote]You cannot compare the number of mistakes Luke makes against Fox. LUKE is still learning as a young lad of 18. Fox is more near to the end of his playing days but still never learned . For his age and experience Fox was ten times worse than Luke is , and i don't think Fox was playing PREMIER LEAGUE football at 18?? Maybe, i coudl be wrong, that that is the reason no comments have been made about Luke's mistake.[/p][/quote]but I`m not comparing the players, luke is far, far better than fox.
what I`m comparing is certain fans reactions to certain players. no one, absolutely no one has even mentioned that luke had made a mistake. yet if fox had played and made that same mistake then these threads would have been full of the same old people saying that fox had cost us the win and 2 points etc. I don't even mind that luke made a mistake, he will make more in the future and as you said he is young and will learn from them. however if luke makes a mistake its almost seen as blasphemy to mention it by the same people who were so quick to jump all over fox. it shouldn't matter that fox hadn't played prem football at an earlier age, SRL didn't until his thirties. fox might have been `out of his depth` but he was brought in to help get us into the prem, like several others, and who would have thought we would go straight up from the championship? I fully expect the club were thinking that we would play at least another season in the champ and by then luke would be ready for the first team. its not fox`s fault that he wasn't good enough for the prem but I bet the club were hoping he would be good enough for a season so that they wouldn't have to throw luke in too early or be forcedto buy another LB. unfortunately he wasn't, again not his fault. he shouldn't though have been given the abuse that he was, no saints player should, but as I said certain players aren't allowed to make a single mistake (some even get booed when their names are announced before the game, or when they come on as a sub) whilst others can have poor games and its never mentioned.[/p][/quote]Yes the trouble with Fox is that he made mistake after mistake and never learned from them.David Crook

el caballo santos101 wrote:
so match of the day and goals on sundays pundits have both blamed luke for stokes first goal, yet no one on here has said anything about it. now I think luke is one of the best left backs in the country and should go to the world cup ahead of the non-playing cole, but if fox had made the same mistake these threads would be full of abuse aimed at him, `should never wear a saints shirt again`, `waste of space`, `would be better with 10 men than with him`, etc.... I`m not saying we should give luke any abuse, but surely the posters who gave fox so much stick should feel the need to criticize luke. or is it the case that certain players allowed to make mistakes whilst others aren't? back to the game, we are going to face similar tactics from blunderland and wet spam in the next couple of weeks and will need to find a way to break through their walls. perhaps big sam will give us a different option from the bench.

You cannot compare the number of mistakes Luke makes against Fox. LUKE is still learning as a young lad of 18. Fox is more near to the end of his playing days but still never learned . For his age and experience Fox was ten times worse than Luke is , and i don't think Fox was playing PREMIER LEAGUE football at 18?? Maybe, i coudl be wrong, that that is the reason no comments have been made about Luke's mistake.

but I`m not comparing the players, luke is far, far better than fox.
what I`m comparing is certain fans reactions to certain players. no one, absolutely no one has even mentioned that luke had made a mistake. yet if fox had played and made that same mistake then these threads would have been full of the same old people saying that fox had cost us the win and 2 points etc. I don't even mind that luke made a mistake, he will make more in the future and as you said he is young and will learn from them. however if luke makes a mistake its almost seen as blasphemy to mention it by the same people who were so quick to jump all over fox. it shouldn't matter that fox hadn't played prem football at an earlier age, SRL didn't until his thirties. fox might have been `out of his depth` but he was brought in to help get us into the prem, like several others, and who would have thought we would go straight up from the championship? I fully expect the club were thinking that we would play at least another season in the champ and by then luke would be ready for the first team. its not fox`s fault that he wasn't good enough for the prem but I bet the club were hoping he would be good enough for a season so that they wouldn't have to throw luke in too early or be forcedto buy another LB. unfortunately he wasn't, again not his fault. he shouldn't though have been given the abuse that he was, no saints player should, but as I said certain players aren't allowed to make a single mistake (some even get booed when their names are announced before the game, or when they come on as a sub) whilst others can have poor games and its never mentioned.

Yes the trouble with Fox is that he made mistake after mistake and never learned from them.

True, but the point 101 is making (backed up by Seed and now me) is that certain players immediately get jumped on when they make a mistake. Yet other players seem never to get jumped on. Personally, I don't jump on any player after a mistake, they're all human and are entitled to make the occasional mistake.

During the match thread yesterday, Displaced and then I commented on the poor defending for the first equaliser but neither of us put the blame on Luke and I doubt either of us would have blamed Fox if it had been him. Luke should have done better, but was a great through ball.

Like all of us, I have opinions about who I'd play and who I'd be happy to sell, but I rarely spout negative stuff about players. If they are giving their all for the cause, that will do me.

[quote][p][bold]David Crook[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote:
so match of the day and goals on sundays pundits have both blamed luke for stokes first goal, yet no one on here has said anything about it. now I think luke is one of the best left backs in the country and should go to the world cup ahead of the non-playing cole, but if fox had made the same mistake these threads would be full of abuse aimed at him, `should never wear a saints shirt again`, `waste of space`, `would be better with 10 men than with him`, etc.... I`m not saying we should give luke any abuse, but surely the posters who gave fox so much stick should feel the need to criticize luke. or is it the case that certain players allowed to make mistakes whilst others aren't? back to the game, we are going to face similar tactics from blunderland and wet spam in the next couple of weeks and will need to find a way to break through their walls. perhaps big sam will give us a different option from the bench.[/p][/quote]You cannot compare the number of mistakes Luke makes against Fox. LUKE is still learning as a young lad of 18. Fox is more near to the end of his playing days but still never learned . For his age and experience Fox was ten times worse than Luke is , and i don't think Fox was playing PREMIER LEAGUE football at 18?? Maybe, i coudl be wrong, that that is the reason no comments have been made about Luke's mistake.[/p][/quote]but I`m not comparing the players, luke is far, far better than fox.
what I`m comparing is certain fans reactions to certain players. no one, absolutely no one has even mentioned that luke had made a mistake. yet if fox had played and made that same mistake then these threads would have been full of the same old people saying that fox had cost us the win and 2 points etc. I don't even mind that luke made a mistake, he will make more in the future and as you said he is young and will learn from them. however if luke makes a mistake its almost seen as blasphemy to mention it by the same people who were so quick to jump all over fox. it shouldn't matter that fox hadn't played prem football at an earlier age, SRL didn't until his thirties. fox might have been `out of his depth` but he was brought in to help get us into the prem, like several others, and who would have thought we would go straight up from the championship? I fully expect the club were thinking that we would play at least another season in the champ and by then luke would be ready for the first team. its not fox`s fault that he wasn't good enough for the prem but I bet the club were hoping he would be good enough for a season so that they wouldn't have to throw luke in too early or be forcedto buy another LB. unfortunately he wasn't, again not his fault. he shouldn't though have been given the abuse that he was, no saints player should, but as I said certain players aren't allowed to make a single mistake (some even get booed when their names are announced before the game, or when they come on as a sub) whilst others can have poor games and its never mentioned.[/p][/quote]Yes the trouble with Fox is that he made mistake after mistake and never learned from them.[/p][/quote]True, but the point 101 is making (backed up by Seed and now me) is that certain players immediately get jumped on when they make a mistake. Yet other players seem never to get jumped on. Personally, I don't jump on any player after a mistake, they're all human and are entitled to make the occasional mistake.
During the match thread yesterday, Displaced and then I commented on the poor defending for the first equaliser but neither of us put the blame on Luke and I doubt either of us would have blamed Fox if it had been him. Luke should have done better, but was a great through ball.
Like all of us, I have opinions about who I'd play and who I'd be happy to sell, but I rarely spout negative stuff about players. If they are giving their all for the cause, that will do me.Strasbourg Saint

It has been said before, but we do not score as many goals as our play deserves. Again, the stats show Saints had 60% possession and this happens pretty well every week. More goals should be scored with such dominance.

But the biggest surprise is the match where we got only 43% possession and that was, would you believe it, against YEOVIL!!!

Funny old game. Up the Saints!

The Saints are a good team and have had a pretty good season.
It has been said before, but we do not score as many goals as our play deserves. Again, the stats show Saints had 60% possession and this happens pretty well every week. More goals should be scored with such dominance.
But the biggest surprise is the match where we got only 43% possession and that was, would you believe it, against YEOVIL!!!
Funny old game. Up the Saints!saintbobby

Classic defense splitting pass - pure quality and would have caught out many a defender. That's why I am not going to criticise Luke Shaw. Think we seem to be vulnerable to that when Yoshida plays (Aston Villa game comes to mind.)

Talking of Yoshida - think he had a stone wall penalty late on when he was wrestled to the ground in their area, in much the same way as E'to for the Chelski penalty. But this went un-noticed on the MOTD highlights - go figure!!

Classic defense splitting pass - pure quality and would have caught out many a defender. That's why I am not going to criticise Luke Shaw. Think we seem to be vulnerable to that when Yoshida plays (Aston Villa game comes to mind.)
Talking of Yoshida - think he had a stone wall penalty late on when he was wrestled to the ground in their area, in much the same way as E'to for the Chelski penalty. But this went un-noticed on the MOTD highlights - go figure!!DragonSaint

The game kind of summed up our season. Good posession, positive play, couple of goals but just lacking the final ability to kill of a game and susceptible to a soft goal given away. We are much better than last year and a positive summer in terms of moving one or two on and bringing in another quality CB, Striker and maybe goalkeeping cover and we'll push on again next season. 8th is achievable and would mark another step on our journey. Lets get something from the Hull game and a win in the cup....It's all good!

The game kind of summed up our season. Good posession, positive play, couple of goals but just lacking the final ability to kill of a game and susceptible to a soft goal given away. We are much better than last year and a positive summer in terms of moving one or two on and bringing in another quality CB, Striker and maybe goalkeeping cover and we'll push on again next season. 8th is achievable and would mark another step on our journey. Lets get something from the Hull game and a win in the cup....It's all good!bathsaints

Back in Scotland from a weekend jolly down to the south coast. The weather was rather b0llocks, which made the game tough and unpredictable, illustrated by the stat pointed out by Wembley76 that we had a mere 28% of shots (and crosses!) on target. Slightly annoyed by the fact that the screens no longer continue to show the live action, as I missed three goals whilst queuing and drinking my half time pint.

Still, at least we stuffed the Jocks in the egg chasing :-)

Back in Scotland from a weekend jolly down to the south coast. The weather was rather b0llocks, which made the game tough and unpredictable, illustrated by the stat pointed out by Wembley76 that we had a mere 28% of shots (and crosses!) on target. Slightly annoyed by the fact that the screens no longer continue to show the live action, as I missed three goals whilst queuing and drinking my half time pint.
Still, at least we stuffed the Jocks in the egg chasing :-)Beer Monster