Well, I guess my experiences here in Monroe County are not a reflection of the state overall. Wait times used to be quite long here but have gotten more reasonable over the last year or so. Our application lists 3 permit types: conceal carry; carry on premises; possess/carry during employment. The least restrictive carry type (conceal carry) is issued quite readily so long as you put a reasonable justification (self defense seems to work just fine).

I've never heard of a 'hunting only' permit. It would seem that type of permit pretty much qualifies as a regular conceal carry permit. The patchwork of different regulations is quite ridiculous, but that's par for the course for NY.

issued quite readily so long as you put a reasonable justification (self defense seems to work just fine).

When I got my unrestricted license many years ago (in Lewis County, by the way), my local instructor and signing reference sponsor vouching for me was at the time a most well known trophy hunter and hunting magazine author with a number of world records to his name. When he looked at my draft application he told me to "never list 'personal protection' as a justification" because he guaranteed that the judge, who was well known (in a positive friendly sense both to him and to my family) will decline your application. Using any form of "self defense" was a no-no to list for regular civilian carry.

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When I got my unrestricted license many years ago (in Lewis County, by the way), my local instructor and signing reference sponsor vouching for me was at the time a most well known trophy hunter and hunting magazine author with a number of world records to his name. When he looked at my draft application he told me to "never list 'personal protection' as a justification" because he guaranteed that the judge, who was well known (in a positive friendly sense both to him and to my family) will decline your application. Using any form of "self defense" was a no-no to list for regular civilian carry.

People use that justification all the time where I live and I've never heard of anyone's application getting rejected for listing that reason.

What's funny is this whole issue is a big facade. I've heard other people make the same comment as you: don't list "self-defense" or else your permit will be denied. But what the heck else are you supposed to list for a justification? Picking flowers?

You get a pistol, or any firearm, for only a few reasons, and self-defense seems to be the most prominent and logical reason in my view. And literally the only justification to conceal carry a pistol off your premises is self-defense. So why would a judge get angry about seeing that written out? If NY judges really are rejecting permits which have that justification, maybe the NYSRPA and NRA need to start some lawsuits on behalf of the lawful gun owners.

Getting back to recert process for a sec.....a couple of guys from work did their recert through the mail...compared to online, you don't know much about its acceptance unless they plan on mailing you a confirmation. The online recert gave you a confirmation number and reply email. I hope the snail mailers used certified/signatures/tracking when they sent them in.

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