There's a new French R-L21 today: LeNormand, kit N6464, Ysearch S2YSN. As you could probably tell by the surname, he's a Norman. His most distant y-dna ancestor came from Ige in Orne in Basse-Normandie.

One of the most recent R-L21 WTY tests is from France and came out as L96+, so what does this imply? I can't find any other L96+ in the R-L21 Project. I didn't find any in ysearch either.

OK, I found an R-L96 in the FTDNA Brock Family Project (Kit #34465) whose earliest known ancestor is supposed to be a Cherokee called Aaron Brock Chief Red Bird of Clay County, Kentucky. Interesting for these two people to both be R-L96. Chief Red Bird is well documented on the web.

One of the most recent R-L21 WTY tests is from France and came out as L96+, so what does this imply? I can't find any other L96+ in the R-L21 Project. I didn't find any in ysearch either.

OK, I found an R-L96 in the FTDNA Brock Family Project (Kit #34465) whose earliest known ancestor is supposed to be a Cherokee called Aaron Brock Chief Red Bird of Clay County, Kentucky. Interesting for these two people to both be R-L96. Chief Red Bird is well documented on the web.

And some sources (I don't know how credible) say that Aaron Brock (whose direct male ancestors were Ashkenazi Jews) married a local Cherokee woman. I would believe an Ashkenazi Jewish connection to R-L21 France before I would believe a Cherokee one.

One of the most recent R-L21 WTY tests is from France and came out as L96+, so what does this imply? I can't find any other L96+ in the R-L21 Project. I didn't find any in ysearch either.

OK, I found an R-L96 in the FTDNA Brock Family Project (Kit #34465) whose earliest known ancestor is supposed to be a Cherokee called Aaron Brock Chief Red Bird of Clay County, Kentucky. Interesting for these two people to both be R-L96. Chief Red Bird is well documented on the web.

And some sources (I don't know how credible) say that Aaron Brock (whose direct male ancestors were Ashkenazi Jews) married a local Cherokee woman. I would believe an Ashkenazi Jewish connection to R-L21 France before I would believe a Cherokee one.

And another source (this one seems more credible) claims the Brock who is R1b-L96 descends from George Brock who lived in the same area as Aaron Brock' son Jesse, and was about the same age. The descendant believes George to be Jesse's son, but the descendant is the R1b-L96, and therefore no paternal relation to Jesse's "documented" sons' haplogroup of J1, where all the Ashkenazi references derive. Well whoever he is, we should get him to join the R-L21 project as a known R-L96.

One of the most recent R-L21 WTY tests is from France and came out as L96+, so what does this imply? I can't find any other L96+ in the R-L21 Project. I didn't find any in ysearch either.

OK, I found an R-L96 in the FTDNA Brock Family Project (Kit #34465) whose earliest known ancestor is supposed to be a Cherokee called Aaron Brock Chief Red Bird of Clay County, Kentucky. Interesting for these two people to both be R-L96. Chief Red Bird is well documented on the web.

He's Ysearch EBN2H, although that entry doesn't say anything about any Cherokee chiefs.

Ryan and Carrucan are L96-. To me this warrants Ryan, Daniels, Longacre and Rawlings all testing for L96.

Also, Brock, Gontaut and Rawlings are 446=13, which is L21 modal. Carrucan, Daniels, Ryan and Longacre are 446=14, which is +1 of modal.Based on that my prediction is Rawlings will be L96+ and the others may not. However, I'll hedge that and say that Rawlings's closest GD is to Longacre, not one of the two L96+ guys.

Here is another way to look at it. At 67 markers, here are your closest GD's up to 15, in order

I don't know. My guess is L96 is a pretty small subclade, at least as far as the British Isles go. This doesn't mean much as France is vastly undertested. L96+ may be a subset of "1121". It is probably at least a 1000 years old though as your GD with Brock is 10.

...Yes, it is Gontaut. Interesting that a few in your 1121 are negative for L96. Do you know anyone else that is L96+ ?

What I was calling "1121" is based on this STR signature which is off-modal for L21: 537=11 520=21 391=10 (464c=15)

Here are several more potential "1121" members from ysearch all with a Roberts ancestor, none of whom are as yet listed as L21 nor in the L21 project. They all have the right STR signature (but not 464c=15) and are all within a GD of 11 or 12 to Gontaut at 67 markers. Perhaps L96+ candidates?

I beleive 464 is considered a fast mutation rate. Nothing would surprise me when we are talking L21. It's been around for 1000's of years, and 464 has had the opportunity to change many times. As far as 464 goes I like the "float around the model" idea.I remember a poster mentioning this idea. I think it was Maliclavelli.