Patch Note 2016-09-01

Deity

Posted 05 September 2016 - 08:41 PM

Deity

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I feel the same here. As a person with 2 level 300+ characters, obviously I would like the rewards but realistically, it's probably greedy to be asking for rewards when you've already gotten them once. It's like asking to get paid twice for the same job done.

I think this occurred due to poor planning. For example, prior to these current changes, they should have systematically added mileage points to all characters in the game that were over Lv. 130, Lv. 150, etc. That way, old players would still receive their mileage points. The only apparent flaw to this is that old players who haven't collected their rewards hitherto this patch would be able to double collect mileage points, but a solution to that is easily found: Just as how mileage points were added automatically in the past, the same should have been done here as well.

Just a tiny insight prior to a patch can lead to many happier players.

AlwaysXtut

Posted 06 September 2016 - 03:09 AM

just make a new character! its not that hard really, and whats so bad about it?

on a side note, asking to be additionally rewarded for your previous effort thats already been rewarded is ridiculous.

its like in work, when they rise your pay are you gonna complain because you didn't get paid more before?

In my opinion, making a new character is very fallacious argument and misses the point of impartiality for new and old players. "Don't like this game? then play a new game." It doesn't solve the problem per se, but it is a view that is highly optimistic. Making a new character is not difficult, but here are many players who already finished leveling their characters and have 10, 20, or even 30 accounts, who may have missed out on thousands and thousands of mileage points. Your analogy of pay raise is not akin to the current situation. A pay raise is an expected amount received each year, and is generally a small percentage. This is a situation where new players receive 6x as much mileage points and veteran players who have finished making characters do not advantage much from it.

P.S

Do not mistake my view and initial statement as pessimistic. A suggestion is merely a suggestion, and nothing more than that.

The improvement to the Lv. rewards is a step forward, and hopefully, will motivate and entice new players to level up.

SheepieChan

Posted 06 September 2016 - 04:53 PM

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Okay...here's an easy suggestion to represent ALL FOXES within Trickster who are conquering the Tower of Chaos

I've tested this many times, but I noticed that the skills Hide + Poison Assault NEVER, I mean, NEVER work on the bosses. 12-72F, and Ed at the Requiem level. However, I noticed that it works for Koiosu who is MUCH harder (in my fox opinion ^^). Will there be a way to update this? When I was a lower level player, it was always difficult to solo and kill the bosses as I was limited on my options and since pure DA foxes aren't as strong, I always needed to ask fellow guild members or pros for help.

Again, just a thought and suggestion. I've reached the point where I can solo the tower bosses (through blood, sweat, and tears T_T), but I feel like it'd be beneficial for other fox characters to get the advantage of poison assault on the bosses. I had to reach around lvl 310 to actually solo 72F...then I saw buffs do it at level 210 and I raged...RAGE! RAWR.

And this next part is a question, not a suggestion, but how frequent are the MS bonus charges? I just want to know so I can save up money and donate at the right time ^^

Deity

Posted 06 September 2016 - 05:43 PM

People who have already taken their level up rewards cannot get another level up rewards at the same levels again.

We have the rights to change the rewards we give at any time.

We can also stop giving rewards at any time.

No, it is not poor planning.

There is no problem here; no issue to solve.

Please do not make this patch note unpleasant.

I agree with your comments, but I disagree with the patch note being unpleasant and there being an absolute correct solution which is yours. In fact, there is nothing unpleasant about constructive arguments and it should be condoned to stimulate conversation and ideas. Having no conflicting ideas or views is generally a bad sign - a lack of creativity, innovation and improvement. Everyone has different ideas on how something should be implemented or done and a broad perspective can be enlightening. Well handled conversations as AlwaysXTut and Kita have demonstrated are a learning experience.

fate0023

Posted 06 September 2016 - 05:48 PM

what? no its not, a pay rise is not a consistent rise per year, its a random thing that doesn't even get implemented every year.

but lets change the analogy, if new olympic gold medalists were to get 10times the reward money, would the old runners demand the same compensation?

this happened on my country before, the government denied old runners to get the higher reward money, stating that they've previously settled with an agreement.

to begin with levelup rewards shouldn't even exist, its simply a bonus you get.

I agree that people who already have gotten their rewards shouldn't get the updated one. But by your example, let's say i leveled up my character before and did not get the previous reward, wouldn't that mean that I should still be getting the old rewards?

Raia

Posted 07 September 2016 - 12:00 PM

Raia

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Hi! I would like to suggest something new. Perhaps a "Customized Wedding Title". This can be a MS item. Similar to the MS wedding ring.If it can't be made into an MS Item, maybe it could be added to the list of Wedding Titles available?

Aran

Posted 07 September 2016 - 01:11 PM

Aran

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I agree with your comments, but I disagree with the patch note being unpleasant and there being an absolute correct solution which is yours. In fact, there is nothing unpleasant about constructive arguments and it should be condoned to stimulate conversation and ideas. Having no conflicting ideas or views is generally a bad sign - a lack of creativity, innovation and improvement. Everyone has different ideas on how something should be implemented or done and a broad perspective can be enlightening. Well handled conversations as AlwaysXTut and Kita have demonstrated are a learning experience.

P.S Kita, you Olympics example is spot-on.

You always have to disagree about something.

I never claim that my solution is an absolute correct solution.

But this is a private server and my solution, which is usually GM's solution, who owns this server, is the one that is implemented.

Posted 07 September 2016 - 02:04 PM

But this is a private server and my solution, which is usually GM's solution, who owns this server, is the one that is implemented.

I disagree with only what I disagree with, which is a very small amount - maybe 1% of the time. What is true however, is that the community is scared of disagreement due to backlash from the staff, and will not disagree with anything. Many players voice their dissatisfaction with me and I represent the voice of those players. Do not mistake - all the suggestions I bring up do not benefit me at all. I disagree with your latter words too, but I will withhold my comments regarding it as this is not the place for an argument.

Aran

Posted 07 September 2016 - 02:57 PM

You do not seem to understand that being antagonistic towards the staff does not get yourself be listened to.

I have had people who disagreed with me in the past, even had major fights with me privately, but now they are contributing well to the game after they changed their approach from being antagonistic to being cooperative.

I do not agree with you that the community is scared of disagreement due to backlash - otherwise, why do I still have a lot of people communicating with me about their ideas privately? They are just afraid to put out their ideas openly for fear of being contradicted and argued with by people like you.

You do not hold the pulse of this community in your hand.

You only know people who think just like you; people who share your antagonism towards us. That is your community.

Like I have said many times, I do not like unpleasantness in patch note.

I do not like coming across annoying posts when I go through patch note when making item lists for the next month.

Deity

Posted 07 September 2016 - 03:11 PM

You do not seem to understand that being antagonistic towards the staff does not get yourself be listened to.

I have had people who disagreed with me in the past, even had major fights with me privately, but now they are contributing well to the game after they changed their approach from being antagonistic to being cooperative.

I do not agree with you that the community is scared of disagreement due to backlash - otherwise, why do I still have a lot of people communicating with me about their ideas privately? They are just afraid to put out their ideas openly for fear of being contradicted and argued with by people like you.

You do not hold the pulse of this community in your hand.

You only know people who think just like you; people who share your antagonism towards us. That is your community.

Like I have said many times, I do not like unpleasantness in patch note.

I do not like coming across annoying posts when I go through patch note when making item lists for the next month.

If this continue, I will lock this patch note.

I may send you a private memo to you later because I disagree, assuming you do read private messages since you haven't read my message nor my friends for a month now. I mention many times I am in no way antagonistic - I disagree and I voice my disagreements here. I do not engage in personal attacks, and I have never personally attacked you. What is antagonistic however, are your personal attacks such as the above. "You, you, you and you." Furthermore, the forum account you cite is incorrect. Let's end this here, and we may continue this in private.