Comments on Jesus was a raging homo sexual.

Do you reckon the head of your christian church the pope guy has allowed his preachers into heaven but not ordinary gay people? That would all have to change. This is no dou t the news scandal of tommorow. Hey its sunday. Are you doing christian rituals ? You know like what we talked about. Well according to the pope guy he wont allow you into heaven for followin christian rituals. According to the pope guy gays are barred from heaven. They Ll have togo to the other place to find jesus.

According to your scriptures. Jesus is not in your heart. Jesus the sodomite is after getting into another part of your anatomy. I suppose. That is the way they will get you christians to scream out the name of jesus.

Of course upon reflection your christian preacher might not know a whole lot about pussies.

Dont forget to mention my cat pixie walking on water and pissing out wine. Those christians like to log miracles. Pixie also began farting out the national anthem in tune yesterday. Methinks it could be a sign. Would you go ask your vicar what it might mean. They speak in tongues and know all about signs being blown out of the ass. Oh but be tactful because ass is a touchy thing for christian preachers.

If your christian preacher gets all exited and wants to exercise the cat. Do explain pixie is not a christian either and wont be subjected to any exorcism. I bung it out of the kitchen window it vanishes and so it is getting its own exercise without christian interference.

This is an evil in all that is done under the sun, that there is one fate for all men Furthermore, the hearts of the sons of men are full of evil and insanity is in their hearts throughout their lives. Afterwards they go to the dead

A point that has been made by the holy ghost Starjade is that all claims of the new testament are made by unknown obscure writers saying this or that happened or this or that was claimed to have been said. I thought that was a relevant point. Why should we believe things said by people who were not witness to any of those events. They could say anything they wanted. It is easy for a writer to claim someone walked on water yet another thing for them to prove it.

My neighbours cat pixie for example is holy and gods cat. It walked on water the other day then pissed Into a bucket and hallelujah it turned into wine.

No doubt a thousand years from now christians will want to worship it just like the Egyptions. I

I use the cat as a metaphor because if I said a human some jackass troll would believe the tale. Even worse if the cat was called jesus. The point being made is obvious. Who says so? Who are they. People believe allsorts of things still that does not make it true.

It is true the new testament states jesus was gay with a foot fetish. And he and some pals hung around deserted places laying in wait for young males to pass by. And when those young males passed by jesus and his mates would pounce on him ripping off his clothes obviously intending to gang rape him. Now why would any writer comment on that sort of aggressive sexual behaviour and do so at length.

All christians who believe the words of the new testament must also accept that their main idol was gay kinky and a dangerous sexual preditor. Monkey see monkey do. As christian priests show by their example. They use the biblical text to groom young children.

Clearly the new testament is dangerous and should be burned and its preachers crucified. Yes bring back crucifixion it was said to have worked before bringing down the crime rate.

One has to wonder about jesus. Which does he prefer? Sucking on a cock or a toe. Bit of a choice. Either way any christian would be reaching for a bar of soap.

How the hell did those stories get believed by obvious lonely fanatics and become a religion. Sounds goofy to me.

Tell us all ass troll have you been munching on a sweaty toe or do you prefer cock first are these like christian rituals that you lot have to do each sunday. / is that what your vicar told you? I suppose its too late and pointless now. Your a christian troll so your not going to listen to my opinion.

I see your still Trolling across the pages. Obviously the religious question go over your head.

So you have no faith in my neighbours cat pixie who has walked on water and pissed out wine into a bucket. Yet you believe because you heard or read it that a man walked on water and turned water into wine. Well wheres your proof then? Not got any have you. So then the tales of pixie the cat stand just as true.

Actually reading the above a thought crossed my mind about jesus getting naked to wash his disciples feet. So jesus was the one who bent down to pick up the soap. we hear prison tales and know the symbolism surrounding bending over to pick up the soap. So that must be where the phrase came from.

Surely even a dopey troll like you must see that behaviour of stripping naked to wash mens feet is weird behaviour not normal in society. Yet in gay communities it would be seen normal as a prelude to sex amongst foot fetishers.

Is this some kind of christian ritual that troll christians like you get up to on sundays. ?

You can see how such act of bending down to pick up the soap while naked amongst homosexuals could be seen as a little queer. What do you say about jesuses strange behaviour. You can understand why Starjade made such accusations cant you.

After all there is no smoke without fire. Why was jesus getting naked and picking up the soap. It is very very strange behaviour. That is what the new testament says clearly.

Obviously jesus wanted some willy action. There can be no other explanation. Everyone knows the meaning of bending over for the soap. It is an open invitation for homo sex. Weirder still was the writers portraying jesus with a creepy obsessive foot fetish. Such things are known today but years ago did they know foot fetish was a kink of homosexuals Obviously it was on someones mind.

What an odd thing to write in something they claimed to be holy scripture. maybe this bowing action is a similar prelude to the soap incident. Christians do seem obsessive about people bending over. One should keep an eye on the vicar if you do. I

I am sure no god real or imaginary gives a damn about homosexuals despite new testament writers obsessions with them.

We are what we are. Havent you listened to the wisdom of sexy goddess lady gaga. Instead of condemnation it is far more enlightened to simply have understanding and acceptance. Christian priests dont seem to be worried as they butt fuck young choir boys. So why would the ordinary man in the street be concerned. Unless he is asked to pick up the soap.

Of course Pixie would not and has not hung around deserts to rip the clothes off young men. Yet your idol jesus has. Do you think that attacking young men and ripping off their clothes is acceptable behaviour. Just because some writer says jesus did that.

So you say homosexual gang rape is ok. Is that because your a christian. Or are you that twisted way.

QUOTE DOUBTING THOMAS a writer to claim someone walked on water yet another thing for them to prove it.........

stupid boy

TRUTH and FACTS do not have to be proved to doubting thomases, it does not matter whether they believe it or not truth does not fall to the beliefs of godless men TRUTH stands in its OWN strength supported by the TRUE GOD and not your false god satan

It is true the new testament states jesus was gay with a foot fetish...........................................

NO what the new testament teaches is that JESUS washed his disciples feet to show that they should no longer walk in the way of the world to do evil but should from that day on they should walk in his ways and teachings .

its obvious from your posts that your feet have NOT been washed for they are still filthy as is your heart and mind

One version of St. Mark's gospel - which is still the subject of academic dispute - alludes to Jesus having a homosexual relationship with a youth he raised from the dead. This does imply the Roman writers of the new testament were in fact necromancers. Obsessed with having sex with the dead.

Was this the reality behind the claims of raising people from the dead. ?

Mark 14:51And there followed him a certain young man, having a linen cloth cast about his naked body; and the young men laid hold on him:

52- And he left the linen cloth, and fled from them naked.

? Does that mean they sodomised the young chap. And he later ran off. It does appear that was what happened. So Jesus also gang raped the young man with his 12 disciples. Tsk tsk tsk. That in not a very nice thing for anyone to be doing is it now. Or as Jesus was your idol bumlight was this something you think was ok with you. ?

Makes me wonder what you do in your Christian life. Such paedophile perverts usually take up jobs as social workers Christian priests or teachers just to get close to the innocent children. So what do you do for a living then?

Who was this boyfriend of Jesus then did they tell you in Sunday school. JohnCh 13: v 23 Now there was leaning on Jesus' bosom one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved.

Was this Mark. I have heard some rumours that Mark and Jesus were buttfucking each other. Was this the boyfriend of Jesus? Or was it John. I suppose it could have been just about anyone, as clearly they all loved thy fellow man often in the desert as well as anything that passed by. Of course I did hear it was John who was leaning on the breast of Jesus. Not normal behaviour for a heterosexual man but for a homosexual well it would be natural and Jesus did love John in a special way according to the Christian gospels.

But the most intriguing passage of all is found not in the standard Gospel of Mark, but in the so-called “Secret Mark”, supposedly found by Morton Smith in an eighteenth century copy of a previously unknown letter of Clement of Alexandria, found in 1958. The authenticity is disputed, but some scholars accept that it authentic, and is taken from an earlier, longer version of Mark’s Gospel than the one we use today. I’m not going to get into the details of the origin or significance of this fragment – see Jennings for that – but here is the bit that intrigues:Gospel of Mark,

And they came into Bethany, and a certain woman, whose brother had died, was there. and, coming, she prostrated herself before Jesus and says to him, “Son of David, have mercy upon me.”. But the disciples rebuked her. And Jesus, being angered, went off with her into the garden where the tomb was, and straightaway a great cry was heard from the tomb.

The cry was probably Jesus cos we know what that means. Penetration. It would cause anyone to screech Jeeeesus. As I am sure you know.

And going near Jesus rolled away a stone from the door of the tomb. And straightaway, going in where the youth was, he stretched forth his hand nad raised him, seizing his hand.

Was Nad another name for a penis. We have all heard of gonads. Is this where the saying comes from the secret sex life of the gay Jesus.

But the youth, looking upon him, loved him and began to beseech him that he might be with him.

Clearly the lad was begging for it and as Jesus was a gang banger then the lad was going to be calling out his name all night Jeeeesus. We all know what that means.

And going out of the tomb they came into the house of the youth, and he was rich. And after six days Jesus told him what he wast to do and in the evening the youth comes to him, wearing a linen cloth over his naked body. And he remained with him that night, for Jesus taught him the mystery of the kingdom of God. And then, arising, he returned to the other side of Jordan.

So who was this other Geezer Jordon then.? Clearly Jesus spent 6 days having sex with this fellow. Pure evidence that Jesus was really a faggot all along.

Faggot by the way is an English expression that is often heard screamed by people in Birmingham at people who are homosexual just before they go over to give them what is known as a queer bashing. I have to use words that a specific Christian here who would be interested would understand. So do pardon the language. It is the way those English sorts speak.

Well the evidence was right there for the seeing. I noticed that right away when I first read the new Testament. Even though Jesus just an imaginary character he was depicted by the Roman sodomite writers as being gay.

Jesus and Santa Claus along with the tooth fairy never really existed. Romans writing out these deceptive christian tales were all sodomites and so their sexuality was bound to get mentioned. These Romans were such dreamers and any hole in the night will do.

This passage has two literary connection to the two earlier passages from canonical Mark: the verb used here for he youth “looking at “Jesus is the same (“emblepein“) as that that used to describe Jesus when he “looked at” (and “loved”) the rich young man; and here again, he is described as wearing just a linen cloth over his naked body. (This is not on being raised from the dead, when such a cloth would have been expected, abut when he came to Jesus six days later.

Now, be honest: if a young man came to you, “in the evening”, wearing “nothing but a linen cloth over his naked body”, what do you suppose he was after? And if he came not to you, but to another man, and then stayed the night, what do you suppose your conclusion would be in the morning?

Now we are all men of the world and we all know what was really going on. As with all cults the leader wants to butt fuck his followers and they beg their cult leader for it. However, let us not pretend that the new testament character Jesus was anything other than just a faggot out on the prowl cruising for a bit of ass to bounce off.

The New Testament character Jesus was depicted as having no qualms with appearing naked before his disciples, and revelled in his appearance.

John records that jesus ‘riseth from supper, and laid aside his garments; and took a towel, and girded himself’, and in another instance, jesus was asked by his disciples, ‘When will you be revealed to us and when shall we see you?’, to which jesus replied, ‘When you disrobe without being ashamed and take up your garments and place them under your feet like little children.’

I understand that it can be disturbing hearing such a character of the New Testament appearing of dreaming of little children being naked. Christian priests dream of such things all the time. You are right to be disturbed however one must remember that some Roman Writer was inventing these tales and so they were his dreams really and did not actually take place in reality. However the Christians believe that it did and would refuse to believe otherwise for they are obsessed with idol worshipping. A worrying thought is that monkey see monkey do. So remain watchful around Christians.

The so-called ‘transfiguration on the mountain’ also suggests that jesus was naked, and, in fact, with another man (from The Acts of John):

Then I, since he loved me, went quietly up to him, as if he could not see, and stood there looking at his hinder parts, and I saw him not dressed in clothes at all, but stripped of those that we usually saw upon him, … he, turning about, appeared as a small man, … and I saw another like him coming down …

The ‘transfiguration on the mountain’event ended with jesus performing some kind of dance for his disciples – in the nude?

Starjade doth sayeth. Christian gospels are not showing jesus as being a heterosexual but as clearly a homosexual who was always up for a bit of bump and grind with any male walking. Males do not get naked with each other and dance around to show their hind parts without those males being homosexuals.

Now I have nothing and I mean nothing against homosexuals. Live and let live. A person’s sexuality is his or her own business.

However, there are children reading these New Testament books and so it is not right to mislead them. Such behaviour is ok for homosexuals but normal society does not do those sorts of things. It is not the normal practice for Breeding a continuity of the human race. It is simply the desires of homosexual men allowing their sexuality to run away into dark worlds of fantasy.

The New Testament when examined closely is a book of lies and deceptions and outright pornography.

The End of Times Deuteronomy Doomsday Prophet.The Lord King and King of Kings Starjade. The Crown of the Living White Sphere of Kether.

Deuteronomy law that Starjade spoke of says you need two or three witnesses to establish if a thing is true or not. The writers of the new testament were not witnesses to the e ents they wrote as if it happened. So gods law says none of it is true. Of course trolls like you do not comprehend the truth.

Starjade wrote:Actually Doc I deleted all my more interesting statements due to the insults being spewked out in the threads by that asshole sunlight. Now I am writing here just to wind that wanker up and doing a real good job of it.

Now he has a new buttbuddy another religiously ignorant asshole called metamorpha. Neither of them are capable of any actual religious dialogue nor are they able to defend their religious beliefs from the actual word of the “Living God” .

Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verses 15 onwards is a law that determines matters of the truth regarding any crimes of iniquity or sin. The claims of the New Testament and Christians are blasphemous. As can be seen I invited both bumlight and metamorpha to produce two or three actual witnesses and show their statements to the claimed appearance of this Angel Gabriel appearing to Zacharias in the Temple to proclaim the birth of the New Testament characters John the Baptist and of the baby Jesus.

To name two or three actual witnesses to the claimed birth of Jesus and show their statements.

To name two or three actual witnesses to any and all miracles performed by the New Testament character Jesus and show their statements.

To name two or three witnesses to Jesus being beaten crowned with thorns and carrying a cross and being nailed upon it until death and show their statements.

To name and two or three actual witnesses to Jesus being pieced with a spear whiles on the cross and show their statements.

To name two or three actual witnesses to the resurrection of Jesus and show their statements.

If they cannot provide two or three witness statements to these claimed events then in accord with the law of Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verses 15 onwards those claims are established by the actual word of the “Living God” as being untrue.

So both those assholes are standing against the actual word of the “Living God” with their petty pathetic excuses.

I further add that I opened up this thread as a slap in the face of bumlight who was targeting me with his offensive insulting blabberwocky. Now he writes in a thread where his idol the new testament character Jesus is exposed as being a homosexual as were also his claimed disciples.

Despite your claims those facts were shown chapter and verse and already written new testament statements that neither of those jackasses are in a position to deny. Their crap that flows from their rear ends shows they took the news badly. Just as I expected and I confess it did give me a giggle. As for more deeper religious dialogue I would of course visit other forums where actual religious scholars exist who know the topics of conversations.

Here in this forum it can be seen that both Metamorpha and bumlight have no religious dialogue and bumlight simply copy cuts and pastes his crap from the Old and New Testaments. Of course I did point out that the Old Testament is Hebrew and not Christian however the point just goes way over the heads of both of them.

Apparently they believe that this Romans New Testament character Jesus must be the Son of God and the long awaited Deuteronomy Prophet because some dead roman said so and in a special story that has obviously got them both astounded this dead Roman claimed the New Testament character Jesus prophesied a fig tree withering. So that was the thing that seemed to convince them the most. A true pair of self indulged idiots. Meanwhile I shall continue to giggle as I wind them both up, which is the price they pay for their insulting banter.

By the way the character paul was clearly depicted as being homosexual and sunlight also is the same way for he admits he is in love with a fictional gay character of a Roman sodomites imagination. A character claimed to be dead over 2000 years ago, which is even queerer. Of course there is no evidence the character Jesus lived as a real person yet proof does exist that the character Jesus was just a figment of imagination.

So now you got a brief explanation of things you can move on. Of course do note that neither Metamorpha or bumlight has shown any evidence to back up their religious claims or two or three actual witness statements for all that I have suggested

They need to produce two or three actual witnesses and show their statements to the claimed appearance of this Angel Gabriel appearing to Zacharias in the Temple to proclaim the birth of the New Testament characters John the Baptist and of the baby Jesus.

To name two or three actual witnesses to the claimed birth of Jesus and show their statements.

To name two or three actual witnesses to any and all miracles performed by the New Testament character Jesus and show their statements.

To name two or three witnesses to Jesus being beaten crowned with thorns and carrying a cross and being nailed upon it until death and show their statements.

To name and two or three actual witnesses to Jesus being pieced with a spear whiles on the cross and show their statements.

To name two or three actual witnesses to the resurrection of Jesus and show their statements.

If they cannot provide two or three witness statements to these claimed events then in accord with the law of Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verses 15 onwards those claims are established by the actual word of the “Living God” as being untrue.

The law of Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verses 15 onwards of course is a Hebrew law.

Christians do forget the long awaited Deuteronomy Prophet is from the Hebrews religion. Not the Christian or Islamic religions. This a point they just do not realise due to their own religiously ignorant stupidity.

Perhaps if you think yourself so clever you might help them to find two or three actual witnesses and show their statements. That on its own would be so very funny watching someone attempt to do such an impossible task.

Starjade says; The character Jesus did not make any statements in the Romans new testament. It was all just some Roman saying Jesus said this or that. However, as you are just a small asshole who believed the crap of that obscure writer here is such a claimed statement.

Starjade says; The law of Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verses 15 onwards is a law brought down by Moses from the “Living God” and so that law is the actual word of the “Living God” stating you need two or three actual witnesses to establish the matter to be true or not.

So why not stop pissing about. Produce those claimed witnesses for the new Testament character Jesus.

Show the two or three witnesses to The claimed appearance of this Angel Gabriel appearing to Zacharias in the Temple to proclaim the birth of the New Testament characters John the Baptist and of the baby Jesus.

Name two or three actual witnesses to the claimed birth of Jesus and show their statements.

Name two or three actual witnesses to any and all miracles performed by the New Testament character Jesus and show their statements.

Name two or three witnesses to Jesus being beaten crowned with thorns and carrying a cross and being nailed upon it until death and show their statements.

Name and two or three actual witnesses to Jesus being pieced with a spear whiles on the cross and show their statements.

Name two or three actual witnesses to the resurrection of Jesus and show their statements.

If you cannot provide two or three witness statements to these claimed events then in accord with the law of Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verses 15 onwards those claims are established by the actual word of the “Living God” as being untrue.

The law of Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verses 15 onwards is the law that can determine if the matter is true or not by the guidance of the actual word of the “Living God”. Clearly as no such witnesses exist that is the proof that the New Testament is all fabricated lies. Most of its text was already stolen from the Old Testament.

Of course you sheep that bleat could not understand such religious dialogue. Monkey sees monkey do is your stance on things. Just stupid religiously ignorant brainwashed old farts. You are both an embarrassment to all Christians.

These things are already well known amongst religious scholars it is not a secret however many Christians just follow by the nose accepting that things they are told must be true because they were convinced or really brainwashed as children and never did actually study their own religion.

Petty idol worshippers. How funny it was to see their reaction when I exposed their idol Jesus as being fictitious and depicted in the New Testament as being a homosexual loving his fellow man by putting a penis up their butts. The Roman writers were sodomites most Romans of those times long ago were homosexual bisexual or simply promiscuous in their orgy type of lifestyle.

This does show the Roman writers of the New Testament were of some importance in the Roman Empire to be able to read and write and hold orgies and clearly also slaves to indulge their sexual activities with. Should a reader be the sort who can analyse hidden details such as that in their writings? Not just random slaves then as their lifestyle does show, Their fantasies were bound to emerge in their writings.

Today their Roman Catholic priests continue to love thy fellow man. Of course behind closed doors they usually go for the younger choirboys age after all their fabricated idol Jesus was claimed to prefer young men and was not chasing after old farts like the age of sunlight.

So produce actual witnesses. We already know a pathetic lying troll like you cannot comply.

So you think jesus getting naked to wash the feet of his buddies is normal do you. You sound very queer thinking that way. Obviously you have twisted mind. Dont forget jesus and his so called disciples were known to hide about deserted plces to rip clothes off passing young men. So when jesus got naked to wash his buddies feet he knew they were gay. Jesus was after a cock and toe sucking session. With some butt fucking on the side.

You just wish it was down to summat else however the new testament says otherwise. You do believe the new testament crap. So you must also accept jesus was a gay boy who sucked cocks and toes and butt fucked boys. Hey that rhymed. It could become a gay pride rap.

Starjade wrote:“John” often refers to himself as the “disciple Jesus loved”. As if it was a special love, possibly a sexual love. John known as the “beloved” disciple.

During the Last Supper the Gospel of John describes how the “beloved” disciple laid himself on Jesus’ inner tunic — his undergarment – John 13:25 and 21:20.

It is stated that Mark 7:14-16 demonstrates Jesus approves of homosexual relationships. “There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him…”-

Mark 14:51-52 describes how one of Jesus’ followers was scantily dressed when the religious police arrived. The King James Version says he had a linen cloth cast on his naked body.

JOHN 13:4-5

John chapter 13 describes the events of the Passover dinner when Jesus washed his disciples feet.

In verse 4-5, it states:

4. "He riseth from supper, and laid aside his garments; and took a towel, and girded himself."

5. "After that he poureth water into a basin, and began to wash the disciples’ feet, and to wipe them with the towel wherewith he was girded."

The average Christian would not see anything wrong with these verses. To them Jesus was simply demonstrating an act of humility by washing his disciples’ feet. But, what most of them don’t see is that when scriptures said that Jesus "laid aside his garments," it meant that he took off his clothes! And, without making a distinction, this suggests that he took off his clothes in front of his disciples, as if while they watched.

If this was the case, it was an improper thing for a man to do before other men, especially a holy man before his disciples. The reason why is because it disrespects the brotherhood and shows a lack of judgement and consideration on the Messiah’s part.

Also, when John 13:4 says that he "took a towel, and girded himself," this suggests that the rest of his body was left uncovered or naked.

Now, let me bring your attention to when John 13:4-5 said that after Jesus undressed, before his disciples, "he poureth water into a basin, and began to wash the disciples’ feet." Just think. A "basin" is really not that big. One person can easily carry it. And, a man does not have to take off his clothes to fill it up with water and wash peoples' feet no more than the people who got their feet washed did not take off their clothes for it to be done!

The writers of the Gospels want you to believe that our jesus took his clothes and got naked before other men, to fill up a basin with water, so he could wash their feet. But, common sense should tell you that it was not necessary at all for him to take off his clothes to do this! Where are the Roman sodomite scribes taking us after telling us this unlikelihood?

Let's see.

Verse 5 tells us that after he finished washing their feet, he wiped them dry "with the towel wherewith he was girded." Now, since Jesus wrapped the towel around his waist, which covered his sexual organs, then to use that towel to dry his disciples’ feet suggests that he was so naked before them that they could see his sexual organs!

There’s something wrong with this picture. What was on the mind of Jesus when he ended up completely naked with his disciples able to see his penis and testicles? Of course anyone who is homosexual or has some common sense knows very well what was on the mind of such a character in that porn story. What his disciples thought when he ended up naked with his sexual organs before their eyes, while they were fully clothed, as he was drying their feet.

Truly a kinky foot fetish activity accepted of course amongst the homosexual community in any age when they saw Jesus naked with his penis before them? I wonder if the thoughts of Jesus having a small or large penis came across the minds of any of his disciples when they saw it? Of course some knew it intimately according to the writers of the new testament.

JOHN 13:12, 15

12. "So after Jesus had washed their feet, and had taken his garments, and was set back down again, he said unto them, Know ye what I have done to you? 15. "For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you."

Based on this order he gave to his disciples, they knew that they would have to take turns getting naked before each other and wash each other’s feet, with their penises in plain view, like Jesus did. I am certain, that the disciples with small penises wished that the other disciples did not have to see how small their penises were.

JOHN 13:23-25

23. "Now there was leaning on Jesus’ bosom one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved."

24. "Simon Peter therefore beckoned to him, that he should ask who it should be of whom he spake."

25. "He then lying on Jesus breast saith unto him, Lord, who is it?"

Take a close look at these verses. In them, you see an act between men which is improper and unnatural!

"13. If a man also lie with mankind as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

Now, let’s do a verse-by-verse break down of John 13:23-25.

23. "Now there was LEANING on Jesus’ bosom on of his disciples, whom Jesus loved."

According to verse 23, one of the disciples was "leaning" on the "bosom" of Jesus. The word "leaning" suggest that the disciple was in some kind of upright position. The word "bosom" means the chest or breast of Jesus. If a disciple was "leaning" on Jesus’ "bosom," chest, or breast, the only way this can happen is if he was in between Jesus’ arms! Now, let us use our imagination to visualize the most likely positions this verse suggest Jesus was in with his disciple:

1. Visualize both of them standing with one man "LEANING" on the other’s chest while between his arms. Does this seem right to you?

2. Visualize one man sitting in a chair, with the other man sitting on his lap and "LEANING" on his chest while between his arms. Does this seem right to you?

3. Visualize both men sitting on a flat surface, like a floor or bed, with one of them sitting on the other man’s lap or between the other’s legs and "LEANING" on the other’s chest while between his arms. Does this seem right to you?

4. Visualize one man sitting in a chair with the other man standing between his legs and "LEANING" on his chest while in between his arms. Does this seem right to you? Hey, it most certainly should not seem right to you! The reason why is because this example results in the man’s sexual organs (who is "LEANING" on Jesus chest while standing between his legs) being only inches away from Jesus' mouth if Jesus is sitting in a chair! Regardless, how a person interprets this verse about the disciple "leaning" on Jesus' chest, the fact remains that this is an intimate encounter we’re seeing here!

Now consider that John 13:23-25 also make the following suggestions:

1. the man who was intimate with Jesus was a homosexual playing the role of a woman2. that Jesus was a homosexual who was acting like his male lover was a woman3. that both Jesus and his disciple were homosexuals who often had oral and anal sex with each other4. that the other disciples of Jesus were accustomed to them having homosexual relations while they watched because they did not react, at all, as if it was normal for them to see Jesus' and his lover behaving in a homosexual way

5. at least one or more of the other disciples had to wonder which one of them would be the next one Jesus would want to perform oral sex on or penetrate anally

We saw, above, that Jesus got naked with his disciples to the point that his penis and testicles could be seen by them. And, now we see, that, afterward, he allowed one of them "leaning," intimately, between his arms, upon his chest. Normally, when this happens between two people, the one with the person "leaning" upon his chest, between his arms, usually has at least one of his arms around that person!

Now, let’s break down the following verses and see the suggestions they make!

24. "Simon Peter therefore beckoned to him, that he should ask who it should be of whom he spake." Here in verse 24 of John chapter 13, we see where Simon Peter signalled to the disciple "leaning" between Jesus’ arms, upon his chest, for him to find out who Jesus was talking about. Simon Peter must have felt that this disciple had a greater power, than he did, at finding out who Jesus was talking about or he would have asked Jesus himself. So, he signalled to the disciple who was between Jesus arms, to find out who Jesus was talking about. This suggests that this person had a strange power over Jesus like a woman does with a man who is in love with her.

Or was the power like that which a feminine male homosexual has over a masculine male homosexual that is in love with him?

Consider the next verse of John 13:

25. "He then LYING on Jesus breast saith unto him, Lord, who is it?" We saw, in verse 23, that the disciple was "leaning" upright on Jesus' chest. Now, in verse 25, it says that he was "lying" on his breast. This suggests that the intimacy involved became even more intimate! This also suggests that after Simon Peter signalled him to find out who Jesus was talking about, the disciple started seducing Jesus, like a woman does a man who she wants something from, and he ended up lying on top of him as if for sex!

This also suggests that the disciples were watching while the man was seducing Jesus! All this proves that I am correct when I say that the Romans New Testament Gospels suggest that Jesus was a homosexual!

Clearly. Starjade knew his stuff and I am far too smart to argue with him. I have seen him crucify religious scholars on other forums.

A troll like you believes jesus was a real person dont you? Well then your idol jesus was a sexual preditor a homo rapist cock sucker and toe sucker all in one. The new testament says so. That is who you worship.

Of course whether jesus existed or not isnt relevant. Jesus was a new testament charactor and the new testament does exist. You believe what you have been told. Your beliefs that you got sucked into exist in that new testament. But is it true. ? I dont think so.

As for that question did jesus ever exist? Well do you think you have proof. Well then trolling old testament text isnt proof or christianity. The old testament is jewish. They dont believe the tales of the new testament. The jews religious laws also state the new testament is not true.

Why dont you name and shame two actual witnesses to the new testament claims about jesus. We can examine the evidence. Of course if no actual witnesses exist then deuteronomy law and gods word backs up the words of Starjade. Of course he knew that hence the confidence in the way that he spoke. I know I could not find and flaws in the statements he made so I would listen now without any doubt he knew what he was talking about.

It made me rethink a lot of things. Seeing those things in a new light.

We both know a religiously ignorant grunt like you cannot back your mouth up for you would have done that by now. Your own silence then confirms everything Starjade has said. He no doubt silently scoffed at the stupidy and religious ignorance of a troll like you.

Your new testament also backs up the words of Starjade. The new testaments lies and deceptions prove the word of Starjade to be true. Nout you can do about those facts.

Your new testament says jesus was a cocksucker sodomite rapist and toe sucker. Chapters and verse. You are arguing against your own new testament.

Starjade the holy ghost. wrote:Actually Doc I deleted all my more interesting statements due to the insults being spewked out in the threads by that asshole sunlight. Now I am writing here just to wind that wanker up and doing a real good job of it.

Now he has a new buttbuddy another religiously ignorant asshole called metamorpha. Neither of them are capable of any actual religious dialogue nor are they able to defend their religious beliefs from the actual word of the “Living God” .

Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verses 15 onwards is a law that determines matters of the truth regarding any crimes of iniquity or sin. The claims of the New Testament and Christians are blasphemous. As can be seen I invited both bumlight and metamorpha to produce two or three actual witnesses and show their statements to the claimed appearance of this Angel Gabriel appearing to Zacharias in the Temple to proclaim the birth of the New Testament characters John the Baptist and of the baby Jesus.

To name two or three actual witnesses to the claimed birth of Jesus and show their statements.

To name two or three actual witnesses to any and all miracles performed by the New Testament character Jesus and show their statements.

To name two or three witnesses to Jesus being beaten crowned with thorns and carrying a cross and being nailed upon it until death and show their statements.

To name and two or three actual witnesses to Jesus being pieced with a spear whiles on the cross and show their statements.

To name two or three actual witnesses to the resurrection of Jesus and show their statements.

If they cannot provide two or three witness statements to these claimed events then in accord with the law of Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verses 15 onwards those claims are established by the actual word of the “Living God” as being untrue.

So both those assholes are standing against the actual word of the “Living God” with their petty pathetic excuses.

I further add that I opened up this thread as a slap in the face of bumlight who was targeting me with his offensive insulting blabberwocky. Now he writes in a thread where his idol the new testament character Jesus is exposed as being a homosexual as were also his claimed disciples.

Despite your claims those facts were shown chapter and verse and already written new testament statements that neither of those jackasses are in a position to deny. Their crap that flows from their rear ends shows they took the news badly. Just as I expected and I confess it did give me a giggle. As for more deeper religious dialogue I would of course visit other forums where actual religious scholars exist who know the topics of conversations.

Here in this forum it can be seen that both Metamorpha and bumlight have no religious dialogue and bumlight simply copy cuts and pastes his crap from the Old and New Testaments. Of course I did point out that the Old Testament is Hebrew and not Christian however the point just goes way over the heads of both of them.

Apparently they believe that this Romans New Testament character Jesus must be the Son of God and the long awaited Deuteronomy Prophet because some dead roman said so and in a special story that has obviously got them both astounded this dead Roman claimed the New Testament character Jesus prophesied a fig tree withering. So that was the thing that seemed to convince them the most. A true pair of self indulged idiots. Meanwhile I shall continue to giggle as I wind them both up, which is the price they pay for their insulting banter.

By the way the character paul was clearly depicted as being homosexual and sunlight also is the same way for he admits he is in love with a fictional gay character of a Roman sodomites imagination. A character claimed to be dead over 2000 years ago, which is even queerer. Of course there is no evidence the character Jesus lived as a real person yet proof does exist that the character Jesus was just a figment of imagination.

So now you got a brief explanation of things you can move on. Of course do note that neither Metamorpha or bumlight has shown any evidence to back up their religious claims or two or three actual witness statements for all that I have suggested

They need to produce two or three actual witnesses and show their statements to the claimed appearance of this Angel Gabriel appearing to Zacharias in the Temple to proclaim the birth of the New Testament characters John the Baptist and of the baby Jesus.

To name two or three actual witnesses to the claimed birth of Jesus and show their statements.

To name two or three actual witnesses to any and all miracles performed by the New Testament character Jesus and show their statements.

To name two or three witnesses to Jesus being beaten crowned with thorns and carrying a cross and being nailed upon it until death and show their statements.

To name and two or three actual witnesses to Jesus being pieced with a spear whiles on the cross and show their statements.

To name two or three actual witnesses to the resurrection of Jesus and show their statements.

If they cannot provide two or three witness statements to these claimed events then in accord with the law of Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verses 15 onwards those claims are established by the actual word of the “Living God” as being untrue.

The law of Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verses 15 onwards of course is a Hebrew law.

Christians do forget the long awaited Deuteronomy Prophet is from the Hebrews religion. Not the Christian or Islamic religions. This a point they just do not realise due to their own religiously ignorant stupidity.

Perhaps if you think yourself so clever you might help them to find two or three actual witnesses and show their statements. That on its own would be so very funny watching someone attempt to do such an impossible task.

Starjade says; The character Jesus did not make any statements in the Romans new testament. It was all just some Roman saying Jesus said this or that. However, as you are just a small asshole who believed the crap of that obscure writer here is such a claimed statement.

Starjade says; The law of Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verses 15 onwards is a law brought down by Moses from the “Living God” and so that law is the actual word of the “Living God” stating you need two or three actual witnesses to establish the matter to be true or not.

So why not stop pissing about. Produce those claimed witnesses for the new Testament character Jesus.

Show the two or three witnesses to The claimed appearance of this Angel Gabriel appearing to Zacharias in the Temple to proclaim the birth of the New Testament characters John the Baptist and of the baby Jesus.

Name two or three actual witnesses to the claimed birth of Jesus and show their statements.

Name two or three actual witnesses to any and all miracles performed by the New Testament character Jesus and show their statements.

Name two or three witnesses to Jesus being beaten crowned with thorns and carrying a cross and being nailed upon it until death and show their statements.

Name and two or three actual witnesses to Jesus being pieced with a spear whiles on the cross and show their statements.

Name two or three actual witnesses to the resurrection of Jesus and show their statements.

If you cannot provide two or three witness statements to these claimed events then in accord with the law of Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verses 15 onwards those claims are established by the actual word of the “Living God” as being untrue.

The law of Deuteronomy Chapter 19 verses 15 onwards is the law that can determine if the matter is true or not by the guidance of the actual word of the “Living God”. Clearly as no such witnesses exist that is the proof that the New Testament is all fabricated lies. Most of its text was already stolen from the Old Testament.

Of course you sheep that bleat could not understand such religious dialogue. Monkey sees monkey do is your stance on things. Just stupid religiously ignorant brainwashed old farts. You are both an embarrassment to all Christians.

These things are already well known amongst religious scholars it is not a secret however many Christians just follow by the nose accepting that things they are told must be true because they were convinced or really brainwashed as children and never did actually study their own religion.

Petty idol worshippers. How funny it was to see their reaction when I exposed their idol Jesus as being fictitious and depicted in the New Testament as being a homosexual loving his fellow man by putting a penis up their butts. The Roman writers were sodomites most Romans of those times long ago were homosexual bisexual or simply promiscuous in their orgy type of lifestyle.

This does show the Roman writers of the New Testament were of some importance in the Roman Empire to be able to read and write and hold orgies and clearly also slaves to indulge their sexual activities with. Should a reader be the sort who can analyse hidden details such as that in their writings? Not just random slaves then as their lifestyle does show, Their fantasies were bound to emerge in their writings.

Today their Roman Catholic priests continue to love thy fellow man. Of course behind closed doors they usually go for the younger choirboys age after all their fabricated idol Jesus was claimed to prefer young men and was not chasing after old farts like the age of sunlight.

As for myself. I would once said I was an atheist. I didnt believe any of this religious crap. However along came Starjade and he said things that shattered all those religious delusions people were under. The way he said it cut deep to the bone. Marvellous thought I religion has just been killed off at its source. I was right all along.

But then I learned he claimed he was that doomsday prophet and a son of god. What the f+++ with a gob like that saying stuff like that destroying established religions. Whats going on?

Well he got my attention and now I am being converted. Maybe there is a god after all and as an atheist god just sent me a real live saviour.

Not that pretentious sort like jesus,muhammad,and the moonies. But someone who calls a spade a spade without any of the bullshit. It was a bonus getting a link to his website.

And there was a stupid troll like you claiming starjade made no prophecies. God help us all if they do come true.

robpocket wrote:

Actually reading the above a thought crossed my mind about jesus getting naked to wash his disciples feet. So jesus was the one who bent down to pick up the soap. we hear prison tales and know the symbolism surrounding bending over to pick up the soap. So that must be where the phrase came from.

Surely even a dopey troll like you must see that behaviour of stripping naked to wash mens feet is weird behaviour not normal in society. Yet in gay communities it would be seen normal as a prelude to sex amongst foot fetishers.

Is this some kind of christian ritual that troll christians like you get up to on sundays. ?

You can see how such act of bending down to pick up the soap while naked amongst homosexuals could be seen as a little queer. What do you say about jesuses strange behaviour. You can understand why Starjade made such accusations cant you.

After all there is no smoke without fire. Why was jesus getting naked and picking up the soap. It is very very strange behaviour. That is what the new testament says clearly.

Obviously jesus wanted some willy action. There can be no other explanation. Everyone knows the meaning of bending over for the soap. It is an open invitation for homo sex. Weirder still was the writers portraying jesus with a creepy obsessive foot fetish. Such things are known today but years ago did they know foot fetish was a kink of homosexuals Obviously it was on someones mind. What an odd thing to write in something they claimed to be holy scripture. maybe this bowing action is a similar prelude to the soap incident. Christians do seem obsessive about people bending over. One should keep an eye on the vicar if you do. I

I am sure no god real or imaginary gives a damn about homosexuals despite new testament writers obsessions with them.

We are what we are. Havent you listened to the wisdom of sexy goddess lady gaga. Instead of condemnation it is far more enlightened to simply have understanding and acceptance. Christian priests dont seem to be worried as they butt fuck young choir boys. So why would the ordinary man in the street be concerned. Unless he is asked to pick up the soap.

robpocket wrote:We have noticed ass troll that you have not made any comments about those serious errors found existing in the new testament.

Havent you got some glib copy paste that could explain them away from your point of view.

I can see how brainwashed people can suffer from the ostrich syndrome. It is obvious your suffering hence your bitter hostile reactions.

You can see that serious errors do exist in the new testament that conflicts with the christians claims that the new testament is the gospel truth. Obviously it is not as true as christian preachers claim.

You want to shoot the messenger for giving insight and revelations about the religion you follow and having religious knowledge clearly with depth that shows he is a shepherd not a sheep. That he examines religious doctrines rather than just following with blind faith.

This living god spoken about did say we should not follow false gods and false prophets. A religious person if genuine should be grateful to someone who could prove and show those religious communities have been misled.

Yet illogically you prefer to become offensive and abusive because your religious beliefs were proven to be wrong. How weird is that? Does it not matter to you that your religion was exposed as being bullshit. Even with that knowledge how do you justify following a religion and its beliefs knowing it was proven to be untrue. Isnt that just the same as the jews worshipping a golden calf.

Of course Starjade was cruelly blunt and pulled no punches. But you were offensive to him causing his aggressive banter. The plain fact is beside that aggressive banter the truth of his words can set you free. It seems as if you unfortunately are chained to the obsession of faith and thus lost forevermore.

As you continued following a proven false religion then your a pretentious christian. Your certainly not a genuine religious person. Your following a religion that is clearly false. Doesnt that bother you at all. Perhaps that is the reason why your prayers never get answered. God simply does not like you.

Meanwhile perhaps god thinks it is hilarious that you choose to worship an established homosexual preditor who is a sodomite and sucks on cocks and toes. That is fate biting you in the ass before your idol jesus takes a pop at it. With a bar of soap first of course. Christians say cleanliness is next to godliness and we now know why they make such a claim.

I would have thought a person who genuinly wanted to worship god for whatever reason would not want To be misled into following some false god. Yet here it seems that you do and that makes you a very queer fellow. A sad sack troll no less,an asstroll.

KING JAMES BIBLEBut the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up

I can see how brainwashed people can suffer from the ostrich syndrome. It is obvious your suffering hence your bitter hostile reactions.

You can see that serious errors do exist in the new testament that conflicts with the christians claims that the new testament is the gospel truth. Obviously it is not as true as christian preachers claim.

You want to shoot the messenger for giving insight and revelations about the religion you follow and having religious knowledge clearly with depth that shows he is a shepherd not a sheep. That he examines religious doctrines rather than just following with blind faith.

This living god spoken about did say we should not follow false gods and false prophets. A religious person if genuine should be grateful to someone who could prove and show those religious communities have been misled.

Yet illogically you prefer to become offensive and abusive because your religious beliefs were proven to be wrong. How weird is that? Does it not matter to you that your religion was exposed as being bullshit. Even with that knowledge how do you justify following a religion and its beliefs knowing it was proven to be untrue. Isnt that just the same as the jews worshipping a golden calf.

Of course Starjade was cruelly blunt and pulled no punches. But you were offensive to him causing his aggressive banter. The plain fact is beside that aggressive banter the truth of his words can set you free. It seems as if you unfortunately are chained to the obsession of faith and thus lost forevermore.

As you continued following a proven false religion then your a pretentious christian. Your certainly not a genuine religious person. Your following a religion that is clearly false. Doesnt that bother you at all. Perhaps that is the reason why your prayers never get answered. God simply does not like you.

Meanwhile perhaps god thinks it is hilarious that you choose to worship an established homosexual preditor who is a sodomite and sucks on cocks and toes. That is fate biting you in the ass before your idol jesus takes a pop at it. With a bar of soap first of course. Christians say cleanliness is next to godliness and we now know why they make such a claim.

I would have thought a person who genuinly wanted to worship god for whatever reason would not want To be misled into following some false god. Yet here it seems that you do and that makes you a very queer fellow. A sad sack troll no less,an asstroll.