Nobody - ever - owes anybody sex or a relationship. Nobody ever, ever, ever owes anyone a satisfactory explanation, good excuse or 3-point justification for not wanting to fuck you. A 'bad' reason, in the particular scenario of a straight man and a transwoman, is as good as a good one.

That a some feminists (and I'm talking otherwise intelligent, thoughtful, mainstream feminists) can suddenly forget all their most deeply held and sacred beliefs that they've bravely championed and become rape advocates in a particular context is creepy as shit and serves to remind me that, deep down, most people are rotten to to the core when you put them in certain revealing situations.

poorwillI'm not justifying violence - just sort of using this as a springboard to talk about a related issue. Seen a couple of friends lately 'like' statuses by transwomen who were basically saying that men not wanting to have sex with them are bigots and I got pretty upset. These are bigtime local feminists with generally mainstream views.

garcet71283Bill Cosby's victims were Buford for not wanting to have sex with him.

tesla_weaponI would never beat up a tranny. I would probably suck that dick if it had breasts and lipstick, why not?

Quad9DamageI am not a fan of hers. A right-wing conservative transwoman is a pretty big anomaly for me, her residing on the spectrum end known for dragging trans people behind pickups and all that.

But she has a point. If I were still in the dating game a cock or fake vagina would be the dealbreaker. This is important information to disclose before any physical relationship. No one deserves assault for something that is not their choice, but deceiving sex partners IS a choice and in this case borderline criminal.

This is where the hard Left crowd loses me, and the issue sinks into swampy, rapey philosophical meandering. If there are actual people advocating this then that's fucked.

GQ"Borderline criminal?" If we were talking about them having AIDS, or a dangerous STD, I could see the criminal argument, but she is arguing that lying about your genitals before sex is worth beating someone ever. An argument, I can get, but this is actively advocating violence against trans people. Blaire White is fucking scum willing to demonize other trans people for support from online bigots.

Quad9Damage"If you don't suck my cock then you're a bigot" is pretty problematic.

Quad9DamageI watched the first two minutes of the video and that was all I could take.

Transgendered people don't deserve beatings. Starting off a relationship based on blatant dishonesty, especially if it involves hiding a penis, is not going to end well.

If she supported beatings in the other three minutes I didn't watch then fuck her, but don't end the third date with a cis person by whipping out a penis they didn't know about, and don't call them transphobic for not wanting anything to do with the penis.

bawbagWhat a surprise that all the usual edgelord brigade here totally believe this literal talking 4chan meme on shit they have zero personal experience of.

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For those interested, here's one of the numerous articles taking this edgy bullshit apart: https://cursede.blog/2017/06/15/how-trannies-actually-get-beat-up- re-blaire-white/

GQREally, when this was all relegated to online shittalking, I could laugh at edgier humor easier. This shit is spilling into the real world more and more, and bigotry, ironic or not, isn't so funny. Especially when the ironic ones don't realize the harm it's causing.

GmorkWhy are you trying to involve me, exactly? The only way you could have any problem with my views on this issue is if you're misrepresenting them (bobonne, holy shit bobonne) or don't understand what they are.

Here's the problem. If a homophobe believes that you were born a woman for just a moment, and you weren't, and if he happened to to be attracted to you, for just a moment, even if you didn't say a word to him, there's a good chance that he's going to blame you, because otherwise he might start doubting his sexuality. I suspect that this trope of "trans women tricking straight men" is frequently evoked when no one is intentionally fooling anyone, long before things escalate to the Crying Game phase. Obviously there's an obligation to reveal oneself before real intimacy, but what about a little flirting? Is that tricking a, man? I bet some men think so.

BobonneI wasn't going to post in this delightful video at all, but I'll just say this:

It doesn't take flirting. It doesn't take any show of interest from the woman involved at all. It just takes fragile male egos, homophobia, transphobia, and "relationships built on lies (being out in public where men can see them and get a boner)" in a neat little rolled-up ball.

All it takes is a guy feeling attracted to a trans woman, then realizing she's trans, then feeling the need to expunge his homophobic (well, transphobic, but trans women are all really men so that's just sjw semantics) shame by beating or murdering them.

That's "how trannies get beat up (tricking men)".

The vast majority of trans women that are murdered or assaulted every year were not intimate with their murderers/attackers.

A majority of them did not, in fact, even engage in any flirting or displays of interest, romantic or otherwise, toward their murderers/attackers.

They just had the misfortune to be found attractive by a man who then realized/discovered their trans status and felt the need to prove just how not-gay they definitely were.

Oh, and a large minority of the other cases where trans women get murdered/"beat up"?

When being honest up-front with a potential partner who has, up to that point, been 100% eager to get to the enthusiastic and consensual banging with someone that they were clearly extremely attracted to.

But hey, yeah, it's all about honesty, because trans women have to fight every single minute of the day to go against their TRICKING MEN INTO HAVING SEX WITH THEM instincts, overpowering and underhanded rapists-by-deception that they are.

I feel really bad for all these men who worry so much about being tricked into having sex with a woman they find attractive and enjoying having sex with them and wanting to have more sex with them, only to find out the woman WAS REALLY A MAN ALL ALONG JUST A FILTHY LYING MAN and it turns out they didn't really feel attracted to them or want to have sex with them or enjoy having sex with them after all, because they'll be the first one to tell you they aren't attracted to trannies because they're only attracted to women and trannies aren't women, and plus now they're gay forever.

GmorkI'm not sure who Bobonne is posting for the benefit of. I agree with Miss White in this video, but that doesn't mean she gets a pass for everything else she's ever said, or the horrible people who flock to her because she occasionally uses critical thinking and anti-trans people love to glom onto ideas that they feel justify their prejudice. Sometimes stupid/wrong people can make a valid point in the middle of a bunch of other wrong/stupid shit. It happens.