My opinion of Louis is pretty much the same as Harvey's. I was surprised that Jessica was treating Louis so respectfully. Louis already got a partnership that he did not deserve, and now on top of everything else, Jessica treats him with respect after all of Louis' lies and betrayals. I could understand if Jessica was just doing it for strategic reasons, but that was not the impression that I had.

It doesn't have to do with my cable provider, it has to do with what time the episode airs. Same thing happens on Mad Men, Sunday morning reruns are bleeped. If I'd caught it in the normal 9 or 10pm slot, it wouldn't be edited.

And yes, I was sad Louis was leaving. He is a fun character to watch and though he is flawed and makes wrong decisions, he is also sympathetic. Not to mention smart and a great lawyer. He's almost more interesting than Harvey, who is perfect.

Almost.

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And yes, I was sad Louis was leaving. He is a fun character to watch and though he is flawed and makes wrong decisions, he is also sympathetic. Not to mention smart and a great lawyer. He's almost more interesting than Harvey, who is perfect.

I do not have any sympathy for Louis. He is a whiner, sniveller, brown-noser, liar, and a petty tyrant to the associates.

And I disagree that Louis is a great lawyer. He is book smart and knows his specialty in the law very well. But there is a lot more to being a great lawyer than just knowing the law. Mike knows the law better than Harvey, but Harvey is the better lawyer.

Although I do agree that the character is interesting to watch. He makes a good foil for Mike and Harvey.

Louis is a bad person but Harvey is the living embodiment of every negative stereotype I have about lawyers. I know I'm not supposed to like Louis and I don't really, but I can see that he's a lonely man who feels under appreciated by his bosses. I can have a little empathy for him. Harvey, on the other hand, has everything but is still a total dick.

It doesn't have to do with my cable provider, it has to do with what time the episode airs. Same thing happens on Mad Men, Sunday morning reruns are bleeped. If I'd caught it in the normal 9 or 10pm slot, it wouldn't be edited.

And yes, I was sad Louis was leaving. He is a fun character to watch and though he is flawed and makes wrong decisions, he is also sympathetic. Not to mention smart and a great lawyer. He's almost more interesting than Harvey, who is perfect.

Almost.

It seems on TV, a lot of these lawfirms have a "Louis". The loyal bulldog that gets things done at the firm that nobody else wants to. I remember LA Law had Brackman to do that. And yes, I was a little sad about Louis leaving. While I don't like him, he's about the only character not afraid to take on Harvey, who really is just as much of a bully, but in a different way. They mesh well together as adversaries.

Still loving this show. Again, I'm sure it's not very realistic, and they take a lot of liberties with the truth, but the characters are fun. I enjoy it.

I wouldn't say I "Like" Louis, but he is a hard worker. Harvey tends to bully and belittle him. Jessica does too. It was no surprise when he ran to the other side. At that point, Daniel had found an under-appreciated lawyer that he could manipulate.

Harvey is the closer. Mike has the law books memorized. Louis' specialty is accounting. I thought they did another good example of highlighting his value in this episode.

I'd be fine with dumping the show at this point. The only character I used to hate was Rachel. Now I somewhat despise Harvey and Mike as well. I wasn't a big fan of the Daniel Hardman storyline last season and the character attitudes are ruining it for me this season. Only problem is my wife has such a big crush on Mike and Harvey that she is going to want to stick with it far longer than I will.

I like Loius. If he would have left the show that probably would have been enough for me to dump it. He just wants to belong so bad. It is hard not to feel sympathy for him.

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Harvey's a bully and a smug one at that. Him hiring Mike can potentially do far more damage to the firm than anything Louis ever did.

That's just not true. Louis was instrumental in Hardman gaining control. That was far worse for the firm than hiring Mike.

Also, Louis treats the associates like crap. The associates are the future of the firm, and they need to be mentored well to insure the firm's future. Harvey is doing a good job of mentoring Mike. And Mike helps the other associates.

The thing I like about this show is that the characters are not black and white.

Few of them are "good" or "bad". They are all imperfect. Like real people. Sometimes they do bad things. Sometimes they do good things. But I think the writers are giving us some fully fleshed-out characters so that we understand the motivation behind what they do. Even if we don't LIKE what they do. I don't think anything anyone has done has been out of character.

That's just not true. Louis was instrumental in Hardman gaining control. That was far worse for the firm than hiring Mike.

Also, Louis treats the associates like crap. The associates are the future of the firm, and they need to be mentored well to insure the firm's future. Harvey is doing a good job of mentoring Mike. And Mike helps the other associates.

If Mike gets exposed, don't Harvey and Jessica (potentially) lose their license and every case he touched potentially get thrown out? Fines and lost clients?

If Mike gets exposed, don't Harvey and Jessica (potentially) lose their license and every case he touched potentially get thrown out? Fines and lost clients?

If you think that would ever happen, you don't know Harvey and Jessica very well.

Besides, if you want to forego suspension of disbelief, in any realistic scenario Mike would be legal by now (well, except for the fake Harvard credentials). He could have gone through some accelerated law program, gotten a degree, and retaken the bar with very little effort.

And yes, I was sad Louis was leaving. He is a fun character to watch and though he is flawed and makes wrong decisions, he is also sympathetic. Not to mention smart and a great lawyer. He's almost more interesting than Harvey, who is perfect.

I agree. Harvey and Louis are like Israel and Palestine. Who hurt who first? Yeah Louis can be a total dick, but usually it's because he has perceived that someone is being a dick to him first (leaving out the associates).

Mike started off as pretty likeable, but for some reason they are going out of their way to make him unlikeable.

I think Mike is still likable, but very flawed. He always wants to do the "right thing" for the clients, but doesn't always do the "right thing" in his own life. That's part of what makes him interesting. Even Harvey and Louis have a bit of that in them, even though they are bullies to their underlings.

I can't stand Rachel's character now. She is a fickle, judgmental child. She expects Mike to pine away over her while she makes up her mind and they flies off the handle when he doesn't. I want to ffw through her on the screen.

I'm confused. Is everyone saying Louis left? I thought the scene at the end was Harvey tearing up his resignation letter. Interesting how it wasn't enough for Louis that Jessica personally asked him to stay; Harvey's approval is what it took.