every year I hear this story from hunters who saw the biggest rack they ever saw and missed,

well here is the lowdown on why they missed.

after overcomming the shock of seeing a buck let alone one with an enormous rack, their window of making a productive shot has passed in to the window of the shot of dispare. this shot is has a 98% miss probability and if you hit the deer at all you have a 99% chance of sevearly injuring the animal to the point were it may die weeks later.

this shot I am refering to is the fleeing shot.

I know I know every one is a marksman because the spent hundreds of hours and dollars buying the best product on the market and time on the range and can shoot a poker chip out of the beak of a crow at a hundred yards. Well that just may be. I am going to show you a picture of a deer and you tell me you have a kill target. and show me where it is. I am loading the pic twice, one to post here and one that is full size for arguements sake.

now I wont say it is imposible to take a deer on a fleeing run, I am saying is you have better odds of hitting the lotto than you have of killing and taking home a chunck of meat.

now the story I would like to hear is I did not shoot cause I could not get a kill shot. (hopfuly it is a true story and the trigger was not pulled) It is important to know your limitations. I may be true your gun shoots as well as you say it dose, and it may also be true that you can shoot a poker chip out of a crow at a hundred yards. the fact of thematter is, I can too...

no this picture is not misleading, infact it is the most realistinc veiw you will ever hope to see to show you just what it is you are looking at in the woods.

there are two deer in this picture, those of you who have seen a fleeing deer I am sure you reconized the second deer right off. for those of you who have not seen a fleeing deer or posibly were just in shock when you saw it this is what you saw.

two deer, one at a stance broawd side 75 feet away (left side of photo), the other only 20 feet away, that right 20 feet, It is fleeing from me, the second deer in this pic is on the right side of this photo, and resembles a leaning mail box on the side of the road where this photo was taken.

this target is why I say dont shoot, your windo of a good kill will only be when the rear of the head is raised above the deers shoulders, and the posibilities of where the head is going to come up is like hitting calling the balls as they fall out of the lotto machein. you just dont know. your target at this piont is between 2 inches wide on the neck area to 4 inches wide on the scull and is moving at a clip of 20-30+ miles per hour. shooting in to the rear end of this animal even with a high powered rifle the shot is most likly to be sheared off by the hip bone in to any direction posibly endangering unknowingly other hunters in the woods.

this same deer on the same run going braud side as the deer standing still on the left provides a better shot even though it is moving at top speeds. this target is 20 times larger than the one fleeing. you now have an entire chest area to make a clean kill, even if the deer is at a full run his head will be lowered and less bobbing giving you even a greater posibility of hitting your target.

lol I know what ya meen about them houses, you are right is saying you need to be aware of the distances and if you are shooting in to no shooting zones. Thanks for pointing that out, I know that there many hunters in the woods who do not pay attention to these conditions, and axidents do accure do to these inpercausions.

what is amazing is that, what you are seeing from the deer on the right, is that when seeing a deer running from you with its tail up insted of down, the target is the same, (a near imposible shot)

haha joe! hole in one?? i don,t think so george! haha i,d never make a shot like that. not worth it. and havin him suffer a terrible death,. i like a clean down shot. i don,t need the meat that bad. that way. i like to check the hole area out before i ever hunt it first when i,m huntin a new area too. no different than when i was ridin my ponies. checkin fer woodchuck holes and my motorcycles. it,s a good thing to know all the area when to shoot when not to in the area. got alot of open there. no backin. i dont like that. like youy guys said thee may be another hunters in there too. make ne nervous. later mare oh we are takin off sat. or sun. fer the week. goin fishin new york have a good week guys mare. i,ll catch some good fish fer ya haha and be thinkin of ya.hey there flag how ya doin// been fishin?? later mare dave too! hey! . Lou

hi Lou , Yes I've been out , but we've been doing more looking with the underwater camera , than we have fishing ! It sure is fun watching those fish , and its fun to see the structure on the bottom of the lake , and why the fish hold up in certain spots ! We have caught a few eaters , but nothing to talk about !. Have a safe trip and let us know how you did !!!!!

hey flag!!! i sure will haha hey what ya catch?? and i bet it is fun lookin at the bottom. how fer is it down?? ya got it hooked up to dash board and got a screen or do ya just look thru it over the boat?? i think i,ve seen some that ya hook up to the dash board like the car?? sounds fun though!! wish i could go! haha later have fun i hope we leave saturday. i know i,m sure gonna miss talkin to ya guys but am gonna mke up fer it with PARTY!! HAHA FISHIN!!1 MY SON CAN,T WAIT NEITHER. . Lou

hey dave! you betcha!!111111 that must a hurt preety good! yes it is good to hear. we,re leavin today! can,t wait. couldn,t sleep haha talk to ya in a week and let ya know how many fish we caught! tell ssor i said hi and hope he,s doin fine and family. you all take care too. mare louie,s goin too haha. he was afraid he weren,t. this mornin.all casited haha later . Lou

hi dave lonehunter!!1 how ya doin! WE HAD FUN!!! HAHA CLIFF MY BOY CAUGHT A NICE KING SALMON 14 LBS EASY IN THE RIVER. WE ATE HIM THAT NITE!1 HAHA DID HIM OUT ON THE GRILL!! TASTED GOOD!! anyways we didn,t git to go on the boat vcause oif the weather this week. just didn,t turn out right. but we still fished every day and cliff got a big walleye. too. jack went and hooked a couple salmon but didn,t git em. in. too bad. but we fished in the rain from mornin till dark haha and still felt good to be there. thought of you guys! later mare . Lou

hey dave! i would but we don,t have any way of doin it. that,s ok i like lookin at you guys pictures anyways. hey i went out and splurged!! and even went against my beliefs in lours hahahaha ain,t that cool. i guess ya got to be willin to change sometimes haha huh?? haha well i went and got some trout lures. and bass ones. rappella and some mepps. huh? ain,t that cool huh?? haha gonna go try some out tonite. at the pond i was tellin ya about last year. the BIG BOYS! WELL CATCH YA LATER MARE . Lou

OK DAVE! I,LL TRUST YA ON THAT ONE HAHA!! WAS TICKED WENT DOWN TO WHERE I CATCH THEM BIG BASS AND SOMEBODY HAD POSTED IT. GOT TO FIND OUT IF THEY CAN DO IT LEGALLY CAUSE IT WAS ALWAYS THE TOWN POND. BUT THERE WAS NO NAME ON THE POSTED SIGNS AND NOT LEGALLY POSTED AS EVERY 100 FT. LIKE ITSUPPOSE TO BE. BEEN THERE SINCE I WAS A KID AND CLIFF TOO. ALL THIS POSTIN STUFF, CONTROL STUFF WHERE YA CAN,T GO WHERE OR DO WHAT YA WANT ANYMORE. LITTLE STINKIN TOWNS LIKE THIS. MAKES ME HOT. SOMEBODY,S ALWAYS GOT TO RUIN SOMETHIN FER THE OTHER GUY. YA KNOW WHAT I MEAN??? HOT!OR JUST CAN,T PLAIN MIND THEIR OWN BUSINESS. TICKS ME OFF.CAN,T JUST LET THINGS BE. . Lou

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that the reason we all go to a hunters safety class. How come nobody has mentioned anything about ethics. I know everybody knows better but when they see that buck they go nuts. Shooting everything but the deer and if they do hit it they let it run off and say I guess I missed but the deer is dead and they are to lazy to walk over and check for blood. Seen this way to many times I quite rifle hunting. Last year I seen people shot over a couple hundred shots and only seen 2 people tag deer. Some people even blasted a couple holes thru our trailer until we started yelling. Now I'll only bow and muzzleloader hunt. Atleast I don't have to worry about getting shot at more then once.

unfortunatly, we got um here in this state (michigan) as well. yse they had to pass a manditory hunters safety cource, (any one born after 12 am jan 1st 1960 is required by law no matter what their age to have passed a hunter safety cource before they may perchase a hunting license.

it seem that what they learned in class stayed in the class, they did not take any of it with them in to the woods.

every year I find 5-6 dead deer in the woods because of bad kill shots. (shots that kill but allow the deer to run off.)

It is my hope that the vary first thing my dad told me when hunting (when not to shoot) will aid others who are inexperanced to understand just what is going on here with out having to pay the price of learning the hard way.

yessa i believe in all the ethics there is but as far as the fishin it just gits me hot when yabeen there all your life and someone had to be misereable. it,s just too bad. but my point i guess i didn,t say is i think someone just posted it not bein anyones land. it,s owned by the town fer town use, water fer the firedept. there just bein miserable and don,t want anyone down there havin fun with the kids. but i hear ya as fer as the huntin but it,s also true that their is some that just don,t git it when it comes to huntin. there just not carin. i can tell ya good many stories of ones who caome up here and do the same. leave their --- in the woods beer cans ya i want to be huntin with them out there. but i also know of some of my own here as well that are the same so it isn,t just out of staters. but god help em if they fire at me or my own. and god help em if i see em shoot a doe without a permit. and drinkin in the woods and leavin stuff. we,ll have a problem.not in my territory. i did see sone one year who,d shoot and find out later whether it was a buck or doe and leace the doe. but tell me why are you quittin rifle, you know what you do! and you don,t! have to hunt with them, go somewhere they ain,t. why should you pay the price fer what they do?? i wouldn,t quit my rifle, just cause of others. we also have the hunters safety. but ya know whats funny, i took my son and his friend jeff when they were 12 to git it. i,d had cliff out since he was 8 years old huntin learnin, the woods holdin his rifle, learnin signs, tracks, the scents of a doe and buck when the buck is not in heat, listenin to the sounds in the woods, and i seen those kids git it before most adults ever got it. and some didn,t haha and still dont. i guess it,s in attidtudes. horray fer me and to == with you attitudes. i got a fryin pan. haha later . Lou

hey flag ya we did but my camara srewed up actually the film. but c;iff took some and jack got it onthe video camara. the first mornin i looked out the winder ,couln,t sleep haha all casited, and thre was a big beautiful buck gonna be 6 point in the velvet and a nice doe goin cross the lawn. neat! then that night a bear dumped over the garbage. one swipe! hahawent flyin!pulaski, not a big town. not quite a city like here in windsor. beautiful town nice people. the guys at the bait shop membered me from years ago. that made me feel good. we set talkin bout crappies/ haha. i told em i talk to you guys bout em on here. cause i,d never seen one. the boys there go out there fer em all the time they said. cool/it,s alwas fun talkin bout fishin and huntin to new guys. love it.the guys here in windsor i chun with sometimes i guess i surprized, one day. haha cuase we got talkin bout smellin a deer. haha they never did.they said. you can,t smell a deer" o hate to tell ya i said. haha i guess i bent their noses alittle cause, i told em they can smell us, comin, why can,t you smell them. haha to me, ya have to think like a deer use all your scents like animals do, thats how they survive, in their surroundins, and know when somethins wrong in it, and go by their instincts why can,t you use yours, i said. haha well i guess i bent their noses bein a female hhahahaha. but it,s funny, some can listen to me and not have a problem and some can,t haha. but that,s their problem haha. ain,t no different than when i,m playin pool. haha all in the attitudes haha poor cliff went thru hell stixkin up fer ma, haha but what he could never see is he really didn,t have to haha but THAT,S MY BOY!! HAHA GOOD THING I HAD ABOY HAHA BUT MY GIRL WOULDN,TOV BEEN NO SISSY EITHER HAHA JUST JOSHIN HAHA. later . Lou

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