Looking at AO stats today, I saw Murray has only hit one double fault the entire tournament and I thought that was pretty impressive. It got me thinking, has anyone in history ever won a tournament without double faulting?

LanEvo

01-21-2013 04:37 PM

Wait what? I dont get your first sentence...

papertank

01-21-2013 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by LanEvo
(Post 7145522)

Wait what? I dont get your first sentence...

Murray has only double faulted once in the entire tournament so far. I'm wondering if anyone has won a tournament without double faulting.

OHBH

01-21-2013 04:46 PM

Not sure, but I bet there are at least couple out there. Mats Wilander comes to mind, a very good player that got the first serve in all the time to start the point. Very few opportunities for double faults to crop up.

axel89

01-21-2013 05:29 PM

ask mustard he should know

peRFection

01-21-2013 05:36 PM

Roger the GOAT did it in Halle not sure what year though.. he didn't double faulted the entire tournament

Defcon

01-21-2013 10:48 PM

Hingis did it, at the USO of all places I believe. She was awesome!

SystemicAnomaly

01-21-2013 10:53 PM

Don't know about the DF question but I do recall seeing an Agassi match back in the 90s where he did not even "single fault" on his serve. He had just come back from a wrist injury and was taking it a bit easy on his serves. Fairly certain, but not absolutely sure, that he hit 100% of his serves in and still won the match.

kidbourbon

01-22-2013 12:33 AM

I wouldn't be surprised if Edberg did it.

Moose Malloy

01-26-2013 10:56 AM

So Murray has only 2 doubles through 6 matches.

does anyone know how that compares with other slam finalists/winners over the years?

ATP only started keeping serve stats in '91, not sure I've seen a major winner serve so few doubles since then, maybe Agassi?

Tennis had limited tv coverage(and limited statisticians) in the 80s so I really have no idea about Borg, Wilander, etc(only saw semis & finals for many of their wins)

and Murray has 71 aces. what a great ratio.

Moose Malloy

01-28-2013 10:39 AM

Murray finishes with 7 df's in 7 matches.

Nadal won '08 French with 5 df's(can't seem to find one lower than that in a major in recent years)

0 double faults in a whole tournament is not something necessarily good.

For example, I don't expect Goran having 0 DF in a tournament, because his second serve was so potent, with such spin and well placed that it is impossible for him to not DF many times in a whole tournament.

On the other hand, his super-aggresive second serve gave him totally the command of the points (if not the point directly because of it being an unreturned second serve), so it was a good strategy for him even if he double-faulted 10 times per match or so on average.

Didn't Ivanisevic hit over 200 aces in 2001 Wimbledon? He probably hit a lot of DF's as well (that final game :)), but his differential should still be very good.

Edit: 212 aces and 58 DF's = 154 (I did a quick count, so I could've made a mistake)

I doubt anyone beats that. In fact, I'm not even sure anyone else hit over 154 aces in 1 tournament.

vive le beau jeu !

01-28-2013 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by papertank
(Post 7145487)

Looking at AO stats today, I saw Murray has only hit one double fault the entire tournament and I thought that was pretty impressive. It got me thinking, has anyone in history ever won a tournament without double faulting?

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Originally Posted by Moose Malloy
(Post 7174804)

Murray finishes with 7 df's in 7 matches.

Nadal won '08 French with 5 df's(can't seem to find one lower than that in a major in recent years)

0 double faults in a whole tournament is not something necessarily good.

For example, I don't expect Goran having 0 DF in a tournament, because his second serve was so potent, with such spin and well placed that it is impossible for him to not DF many times in a whole tournament.

On the other hand, his super-aggresive second serve gave him totally the command of the points (if not the point directly because of it being an unreturned second serve), so it was a good strategy for him even if he double-faulted 10 times per match or so on average.

it's not a slam but i've got roddick with 70 aces and 1 DF when winning lyon in 2005... now beat me that ! ;)

Moose Malloy

01-28-2013 06:14 PM

^nice. do you have any info on any of his deep runs in slams?

dafinch

01-28-2013 06:19 PM

He had only 2 in 6 matches, then, suddenly, he had 5 in the finals....clutch! The first 2, I remember, were at 40-0, and of no consequences. The ones after that, well, that was a different story....

kishnabe

01-28-2013 06:36 PM

Davydenko.....he just push the ball in just to start the rally. Recent years his serve has improved to 130 mph.....before it was a crap.

vive le beau jeu !

02-07-2013 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by vive le beau jeu !
(Post 7175109)

it's not a slam but i've got roddick with 70 aces and 1 DF when winning lyon in 2005... now beat me that ! ;)

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Originally Posted by Moose Malloy
(Post 7176020)

^nice. do you have any info on any of his deep runs in slams?

i didn't find anything comparable in his slam runs...

but i also found a 106-2 (ace-DF) record for karlovic when winning stockholm in 2007... in only 4 matches !(roddick played 5 matches when winning lyon 2005)
... 34-0 and 30-0 in 1st two matches ! ;)