Upcoming Productions for June/July/August

I hope everyone found the "March/April/May" thread as useful as I intended it to be. Again, if there's something out there I've missed (whether live-action, animated or audio of any era of StarTrek) that you'd like to see here, feel free to put a post in this thread about it or PM it to me.

My only request is that we focus on new projects here. I do review some older films and other productions in my Fan Film Friday column, so I hope that here we can all find some shiny new goodies to enjoy!

Yeah, I don't quite know how Captain Randy Hall can qualify Star Trek: Lost Frontier as 'mature content' if he hasn't listened to a single episode yet; then again, it was like pulling teeth to even get it listed...

Seems to me this list, while mostly inclusive, is decidedly subjective, according to Captain Randy Hall's tastes. Oh well.

Can someone explain what "Mature Content" means? I just watched "Reclamation" and didn't find anything worthy of such an off-putting label.

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One of the best definitions I've heard about that term is that it's something adults don't want children to see or hear. It includes but is not limited to nudity, vulgarity, extreme violence, things like that.

To be honest, I have a problem with using the word "Mature." That's putting a positive word for something several folks think is just plain wrong. I'd go with "Adult" since that seems to indicate things that grups can take in and not kids.

It's like the current use of the word "controversial." News folks (and I'm one of that group) often say that when what they really mean is it's wrong but they want it and so they couch it in better-sounding terms.

I realize that stating this is lighting a match for a flame war, but what the heck. It's Friday....

Yeah, I don't quite know how Captain Randy Hall can qualify Star Trek: Lost Frontier as 'mature content' if he hasn't listened to a single episode yet; then again, it was like pulling teeth to even get it listed...

Seems to me this list, while mostly inclusive, is decidedly subjective, according to Captain Randy Hall's tastes. Oh well.

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So now I can't post something I haven't had the time to listen to? And I should discount the recommendations of people I trust in the independent production field? Well then, I'll take Lost Frontier off the weekly list until I have time to listen to it "someday."

You sure do love to moan and complain, Double. Of COURSE the list is going to reflect my tastes as it would with anyone else doing the same thing. If you think you can actually do this job better than I am, then I say fire away and blind us with your brilliance. Up until now, your positive suggestions have been few and far between. So go ahead and post links to all the fan films I'm supposedly missing.

And whatever happened to you starting an "Adult Content" thread? I recommend you put your energy into something constructive instead of trying to bring down someone who is doing his best to provide a service for people who visit this forum.

I also don't understand why you continue to come here if all you're going to do is moan and groan all the time. Life is too short to waste on something you apparently don't like.

Yeah, I don't quite know how Captain Randy Hall can qualify Star Trek: Lost Frontier as 'mature content' if he hasn't listened to a single episode yet; then again, it was like pulling teeth to even get it listed...

Seems to me this list, while mostly inclusive, is decidedly subjective, according to Captain Randy Hall's tastes. Oh well.

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So now I can't post something I haven't had the time to listen to?

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I never suggested that. I merely asserted that I didn't understand your logic in qualifying "Star Trek: Lost Frontier" as 'mature content' when you had yourself admitted you hadn't even listened to a single show. That's a far cry from saying "you can't post about what you don't listen to," so please don't mix and mingle what I'm saying.

And I should discount the recommendations of people I trust in the independent production field? Well then, I'll take Lost Frontier off the weekly list until I have time to listen to it "someday."

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I don't understand. Someone in the independent production field who you trust told you "Lost Frontier" was a mature content show? If so, how do they know? Have they listened to it? What constitutes 'mature content' anyway?

You sure do love to moan and complain, Double. Of COURSE the list is going to reflect my tastes as it would with anyone else doing the same thing.

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If by what you call "moaning" you are referring to my essentially stating what is blatantly obvious about your listing here, well carry on. While I understand it's your baby, I don't see the need for you to be so petulant when someone dares bring up some inconsistency or issue they've noticed.

If you think you can actually do this job better than I am, then I say fire away and blind us with your brilliance. Up until now, your positive suggestions have been few and far between. So go ahead and post links to all the fan films I'm supposedly missing.

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Up till now, my only positive suggestions had been to request that one fan film I am associated with be included on your list, despite your childish and reactive behavior anytime someone has the gall to suggest something you don't like, or disagree with you.

Further, I never suggested I could do better. I never said I would. I actually think your idea here for cataloging all the fan films is a good idea, and one that should be supported. If I've spoken up about issues, it's because I've considered them issues worthy of being discussed. And every time, you just fly off the handle and crybaby your way through it. ("Well then, I'll take Lost Frontier off the weekly list until I have time to listen to it "someday."" -- sound familiar?)

And whatever happened to you starting an "Adult Content" thread? I recommend you put your energy into something constructive instead of trying to bring down someone who is doing his best to provide a service for people who visit this forum.

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Again with the overreacting. Where did this idea about me starting an adult content thread come from? I never agreed to such, nor do I recall it being discussed. Additionally, I don't see how you can interpret my asking a few silly questions as 'trying to bring [you] down." --and that's not even putting aside the heavily melodramatic, self-sacrificial tone of this particular paragraph.

I also don't understand why you continue to come here if all you're going to do is moan and groan all the time. Life is too short to waste on something you apparently don't like.

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Again, you are off the mark. As I've stated, I like this idea of yours, and what I don't understand is why you are incapable of answering any questions posed directly to you (frankly, I'll be amazed if your next response contains any direct answers) or why you become so vehement when I do dare ask a question.

Nothing I said in my previous response was untrue. It did take significant effort to get you to include LF on the list, and you haven't listened to the show, so I was genuinely curious as to by what logic you concluded the show should be listed under "mature content."

I had initially planned to raise the issue a few weeks ago, when you finally did include the show and link on your list, but given the rocky nature of our interaction and clearly the inability for any type of constructive criticism to be received as anything other than an attack on you, I declined. And in the interim? You know what happened? A dear friend's father died, and I've been dealing with the fallout from that, made doubly worse by the fact that my friend's younger sister had passed away as well, not three months ago too. So don't get on your high horse about "life being too short" or some other platitude when you can't be held accountable to answer a single question.

Can someone explain what "Mature Content" means? I just watched "Reclamation" and didn't find anything worthy of such an off-putting label.

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One of the best definitions I've heard about that term is that it's something adults don't want children to see or hear. It includes but is not limited to nudity, vulgarity, extreme violence, things like that.

To be honest, I have a problem with using the word "Mature." That's putting a positive word for something several folks think is just plain wrong. I'd go with "Adult" since that seems to indicate things that grups can take in and not kids.

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All I'm asking is what exactly about this production are you objecting to?

I realize that stating this is lighting a match for a flame war, but what the heck. It's Friday....

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I'm not asking to start a flame war with you, Randy. I just want to know for my own edification what exactly do you find worthy of the "mature content" warning in "Reclamation." I'm asking because we're about to start filming, and I want to know if something we're planning to do would result in such a warning label to be placed on our fan film.

"Dark Frontier" classified THEMSELVES as "Mature Content" at one point, although I no longer see that warning on their website. That was MY source on that. Frankly, if a producer so classifies themselves, I take their word for it. That warning is now down, and at some point I plan to watch their series. If I think the warning was inappropriate, I will change their location in my website complex to reflect that opinion.

I have no idea where Randy got his opinion about the audio show. Lost Frontier. It is not classified as "adult content" at my website, and it won't be unless somebody says it should be, and justifies that, or I listen to it myself and conclude that.

>>All I'm asking is what exactly about this production are you objecting to?<<

I'm not objecting to anything. I'm trying to classify independent productions so people can find the fan films that they're more likely to enjoy.

>>I just want to know for my own edification what exactly do you find worthy of the "mature content" warning in "Reclamation." I'm asking because we're about to start filming, and I want to know if something we're planning to do would result in such a warning label to be placed on our fan film.<<

What I said above seems to be a pretty good definition: "One of the best definitions I've heard about that term is that it's something adults don't want children to see or hear. It includes but is not limited to nudity, vulgarity, extreme violence, things like that."

Also, I haven't sampled either "Frontier" entries, but if I take out everything I haven't seen myself, then I wouldn't have to worry about the "Adult" classification. Stupid me for putting in some productions I haven't seen before putting up the list. Next week's list is very likely to be much shorter....

>> I don't understand. Someone in the independent production field who you trust told you "Lost Frontier" was a mature content show? If so, how do they know? Have they listened to it? What constitutes 'mature content' anyway?<<

They checked it out and told me about it with the proviso that it would likely be offensive to children. They’ve recommended other projects in the past and were right on. As for “mature content,” check out the post above this one.

>>Up till now, my only positive suggestions had been to request that one fan film I am associated with be included on your list, despite your childish and reactive behavior anytime someone has the gall to suggest something you don't like, or disagree with you.<<

And you accuse ME of overreacting? Sigh.

>>And every time, you just fly off the handle and crybaby your way through it. ("Well then, I'll take Lost Frontier off the weekly list until I have time to listen to it "someday."" -- sound familiar?)<<

Overreaction #2...

>>You know what happened? A dear friend's father died, and I've been dealing with the fallout from that, made doubly worse by the fact that my friend's younger sister had passed away as well, not three months ago too. So don't get on your high horse about "life being too short" or some other platitude when you can't be held accountable to answer a single question.<<

Judging from what’s going on in your life, I’d think that would resonate with you. I’m sorry for your losses, but as they say on DS9, there are only 26 hours in a day, and I’d rather use as much of that time as possible looking for new projects to review than haggle with the same people over and over again about one entry in the list.

>>All I'm asking is what exactly about this production are you objecting to?<<

I'm not objecting to anything. I'm trying to classify independent productions so people can find the fan films that they're more likely to enjoy.

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But how can you "classify" something you haven't even seen? I went and watched "Reclamation" today (it was slow at work), and I didn't see anything that I would define as "mature content." If you're claiming it's got "mature content," then you should be able to back up that claim, and frankly, Randy, you can't.

>>I just want to know for my own edification what exactly do you find worthy of the "mature content" warning in "Reclamation." I'm asking because we're about to start filming, and I want to know if something we're planning to do would result in such a warning label to be placed on our fan film.<<

What I said above seems to be a pretty good definition: "One of the best definitions I've heard about that term is that it's something adults don't want children to see or hear. It includes but is not limited to nudity, vulgarity, extreme violence, things like that."

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But you've labeled a production you admittedly haven't seen with the loaded (and negative) description "mature content" -- how am I to know whether or not you're going to slap that on my fan film, especially if you don't see it?

Also, I haven't sampled either "Frontier" entries, but if I take out everything I haven't seen myself, then I wouldn't have to worry about the "Adult" classification. Stupid me for putting in some productions I haven't seen before putting up the list. Next week's list is very likely to be much shorter....

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That's an odd and off-putting threat/remark. I've not asked you to do that. I've asked you to explain why you think "Reclamation" has "mature content." You've defined "mature content" as having" nudity, vulgarity, extreme violence, things like that." You admit that you haven't seen "Reclamation," but rather than correct the matter and remove this "mature content" warning, you threaten simply to remove all the productions that you haven't seen.

Frankly, that's just an unwarranted response, but then so is labeling a production that you haven't seen as having "mature content." Is there some sort of agenda you're pushing? I'm honestly curious...

>> I don't understand. Someone in the independent production field who you trust told you "Lost Frontier" was a mature content show? If so, how do they know? Have they listened to it? What constitutes 'mature content' anyway?<<

They checked it out and told me about it with the proviso that it would likely be offensive to children. They’ve recommended other projects in the past and were right on. As for “mature content,” check out the post above this one.

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Who is "they" ? And why do you have such an issue with confronting the fact that because you have not listened to any episodes of Lost Frontier, you are unable to make an informed qualification about its content? I personally don't see what could be construed as 'adult content' in any of the shows we've done, but I'd be willing to bow down to your preferential opinion on the matter had you actually taken the time to listen to any of our shows. Right now, you haven't done that, and have mislabled the podcasts. All I've done is say "Hey, I don't think that's a fair qualification."

>>Up till now, my only positive suggestions had been to request that one fan film I am associated with be included on your list, despite your childish and reactive behavior anytime someone has the gall to suggest something you don't like, or disagree with you.<<

And you accuse ME of overreacting? Sigh.

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Dude, anyone reading your responses in this thread can tell you are overreacting.

>>And every time, you just fly off the handle and crybaby your way through it. ("Well then, I'll take Lost Frontier off the weekly list until I have time to listen to it "someday."" -- sound familiar?)<<

Overreaction #2...

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>>You know what happened? A dear friend's father died, and I've been dealing with the fallout from that, made doubly worse by the fact that my friend's younger sister had passed away as well, not three months ago too. So don't get on your high horse about "life being too short" or some other platitude when you can't be held accountable to answer a single question.<<

Judging from what’s going on in your life, I’d think that would resonate with you.

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Clearly it did resonate with me, hence my earlier reply.

I’m sorry for your losses, but as they say on DS9, there are only 26 hours in a day, and I’d rather use as much of that time as possible looking for new projects to review than haggle with the same people over and over again about one entry in the list.

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So, rather than argue this point you'd rather look for new projects to review. Excellent. There's one I'd like to recommend. It's called "Star Trek: Lost Frontier."

>>All I'm asking is what exactly about this production are you objecting to?<<

I'm not objecting to anything. I'm trying to classify independent productions so people can find the fan films that they're more likely to enjoy.

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But how can you "classify" something you haven't even seen? I went and watched "Reclamation" today (it was slow at work), and I didn't see anything that I would define as "mature content." If you're claiming it's got "mature content," then you should be able to back up that claim, and frankly, Randy, you can't.

>>I just want to know for my own edification what exactly do you find worthy of the "mature content" warning in "Reclamation." I'm asking because we're about to start filming, and I want to know if something we're planning to do would result in such a warning label to be placed on our fan film.<<

What I said above seems to be a pretty good definition: "One of the best definitions I've heard about that term is that it's something adults don't want children to see or hear. It includes but is not limited to nudity, vulgarity, extreme violence, things like that."

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But you've labeled a production you admittedly haven't seen with the loaded (and negative) description "mature content" -- how am I to know whether or not you're going to slap that on my fan film, especially if you don't see it?

Also, I haven't sampled either "Frontier" entries, but if I take out everything I haven't seen myself, then I wouldn't have to worry about the "Adult" classification. Stupid me for putting in some productions I haven't seen before putting up the list. Next week's list is very likely to be much shorter....

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That's an odd and off-putting threat/remark. I've not asked you to do that. I've asked you to explain why you think "Reclamation" has "mature content." You've defined "mature content" as having" nudity, vulgarity, extreme violence, things like that." You admit that you haven't seen "Reclamation," but rather than correct the matter and remove this "mature content" warning, you threaten simply to remove all the productions that you haven't seen.

Frankly, that's just an unwarranted response, but then so is labeling a production that you haven't seen as having "mature content." Is there some sort of agenda you're pushing? I'm honestly curious...

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OK, you win. I'll take that entry off the list until I get a chance to look at it myself. I thought I was giving fan films free puiblicity, but I should have known better, I guess. I'll let you know once I've done that and take it from there.

OK, you win. I'll take that entry off the list until I get a chance to look at it myself. I thought I was giving fan films free puiblicity, but I should have known better, I guess. I'll let you know once I've done that and take it from there.

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No one asked you to take "Reclamation" off the list. I'm asking you to explain why you place the notice for it in your "WARNING: ADULT CONTENT" section.

Geez, dude, take a chill pill, and admit you screwed up. Put it in your regular section unless after you review it personally, and decide and explain WHY it has "adult content."

Deleting it only hurts fan films such as this, perhaps more than you hurt them from labeling them as having "adult content" when you simply don't know the facts. EDIT: And it hurts your reputation and this "service" you're providing.

Your actions suggest you have some sort of agenda, giving favorable recognition to some while disregarding others or mislabeling them with the off-putting "WARNING: ADULT CONTENT."

>> I don't understand. Someone in the independent production field who you trust told you "Lost Frontier" was a mature content show? If so, how do they know? Have they listened to it? What constitutes 'mature content' anyway?<<

They checked it out and told me about it with the proviso that it would likely be offensive to children. They’ve recommended other projects in the past and were right on. As for “mature content,” check out the post above this one.

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Who is "they" ? And why do you have such an issue with confronting the fact that because you have not listened to any episodes of Lost Frontier, you are unable to make an informed qualification about its content? I personally don't see what could be construed as 'adult content' in any of the shows we've done, but I'd be willing to bow down to your preferential opinion on the matter had you actually taken the time to listen to any of our shows. Right now, you haven't done that, and have mislabled the podcasts. All I've done is say "Hey, I don't think that's a fair qualification."

>>Up till now, my only positive suggestions had been to request that one fan film I am associated with be included on your list, despite your childish and reactive behavior anytime someone has the gall to suggest something you don't like, or disagree with you.<<

And you accuse ME of overreacting? Sigh.

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Dude, anyone reading your responses in this thread can tell you are overreacting.

>>You know what happened? A dear friend's father died, and I've been dealing with the fallout from that, made doubly worse by the fact that my friend's younger sister had passed away as well, not three months ago too. So don't get on your high horse about "life being too short" or some other platitude when you can't be held accountable to answer a single question.<<

Judging from what’s going on in your life, I’d think that would resonate with you.

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Clearly it did resonate with me, hence my earlier reply.

I’m sorry for your losses, but as they say on DS9, there are only 26 hours in a day, and I’d rather use as much of that time as possible looking for new projects to review than haggle with the same people over and over again about one entry in the list.

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So, rather than argue this point you'd rather look for new projects to review. Excellent. There's one I'd like to recommend. It's called "Star Trek: Lost Frontier."

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OK, same here. I'll take that item off the list, too, until I have a chance to peruse it for myself because some friends I've met whille covering fan films (and audios) still say it's going to offend, so with people on either side of the issue, I can't really post it until I've had a chance to look into the projects.

This is becoming a colossal waste of time. Again, I thought I was giving fan projects free publicity, but don't worry. I'll remove the "Adult Content" subhead tootsweet.

OK, you win. I'll take that entry off the list until I get a chance to look at it myself. I thought I was giving fan films free puiblicity, but I should have known better, I guess. I'll let you know once I've done that and take it from there.

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No one asked you to take "Reclamation" off the list. I'm asking you to explain why you place the notice for it in your "WARNING: ADULT CONTENT" section.

Geez, dude, take a chill pill, and admit you screwed up. Put it in your regular section unless after you review it personally, and decide and explain WHY it has "adult content."

Deleting it only hurts fan films such as this, perhaps more than you hurt them from labeling them as having "adult content" when you simply don't know the facts. EDIT: And it hurts your reputation and this "service" you're providing.

Your actions suggest you have some sort of agenda, giving favorable recognition to some while disregarding others or mislabeling them with the off-putting "WARNING: ADULT CONTENT."

Don't you see that?

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First off, my only agenda is to include as many fan projects as I can, with the understanading that I can't check every last film or audio before I put them in the list even though I do my best to check them all.

But let's be honest here: One side tells me it's inappropriate for family viewing, while you folks say it's as pure as the wind-driven snow. After all this forth-and-back, I simply CAN'T post your and Double's programs until I have the chance to cast the deciding vote.

And at home, I only have a dialup connection, which means I have to trudge over to the main library (because the auto accident I was in last year totaled my car), which has super computers as long as I can meet their schedules. Such is life.

I'm sorry if this hurts your project, but it's the only way I can be really sure I'm referring items that are appropriate for the various folks who read this thread.

Randy, first of all, "Reclamation" is NOT my project. I happened to have watched it yesterday at work, and didn't find anything in it worthy of the notation "WARNING: ADULT CONTENT."

I simply wanted clarification to see what was so "adult" about "Reclamation" so that my fan film when it's released won't be labeled "WARNING: ADULT CONTENT."

You admittedly didn't watch the movie, but based on hearsay from "one side" you decide it's "inappropriate for family viewing," thereby impugning it without evidence.

Now, in a huff, you've decided to remove the listing for it altogether until you "have the chance to cast the deciding vote." Now you're further punishing a fan film project you've never viewed based on whomever you're getting your information from.

Frankly, this whole situation has sullied my view of you, your "service"/efforts, your posts and "SciFiPulse" in particular. You've been called out for making an error, and rather than correct the problem by removing the "WARNING: ADULT CONTENT" label from "Reclamation," you're going to punish the producers by removing its listing.

I don't understand why you don't admit the error, make the correction, and move along...