If you do not know why i think his opinion should be carefully considered check out his Bio....

In fact, there is nothing but hypothesis that microbes are existing on Mars.

The very first test for life on Mars was positive and the instrument which disputed that test could not subsequently find life in Antarctica either.
With what we know so far the evidence is very strongly in favour of current life on Mars and until they do better that's where we stand.

Another find in the two decades-plus Viking treasure-trove of data was outlined by Joe Miller, associate professor in the Department of Cell and
Neurobiology at the Keck School of Medicine of the University of Southern California in Los Angeles.
Miller has recently reviewed the Viking LR data in great detail.

"To my surprise, in their LR experiment, they seemed to have clear periodic oscillations in the release of gas from a Martian soil sample injected
with a nutrient solution. The oscillations in gas release had a period of what appeared to be one Martian day. Being a circadian biologist, I became
very excited," Miller told SPACE.com.

On Earth, Miller said, circadian rhythms -- oscillations with a period of nearly 24 hours -- are present in every species examined down to blue-green
algae. Was it possible, he asked, that the LR experiment was recording the circadian rhythm of a Martian soil-dwelling microbe?
NASA worked with Miller, providing him the 1976 LR data sets, as well as converting the information to an electronic format. That allowed the
circadian biologist to study the data using modern computer-based analytical tools."I found that the gas release was indeed rhythmic, with a period
of precisely 24.66 hours, a Martian day," Miller said. This finding, along with other painstaking assessments about LR operations, the scientist
feels that a Martian circadian rhythm in the experiment may constitute a biosignature - a sign of life.

Maybe Mars even has life today. The evidence sent back from Mars by two Viking Landers in 1976 and 1977 was not clearcut (6). In fact, NASA's
first press release about the Viking tests announced that the results were positive. The "Labelled Release" (LR) experiments had given positive
results. But after lengthy discussions in which Carl Sagan participated, NASA reversed its position, mainly because another experiment detected no
organics in the soil. Yet Gilbert V. Levin, the principal designer of the LR experiment, still believes the tests pointed to life on Mars (7). When
the same two experiments were run on soil from Antarctica, the same conflicting results were obtained (LR - positive; organics - negative.) Soil from
Antarctica definitely contains life. The test for organics was negative because it is far less sensitive than the LR experiment. The same problem
could have caused the organics test on Mars to give a false negative.

Warmflash said that the failure of the Viking GCMS to find organic molecules has been called to question. "More recent findings suggesting that
the Viking GCMS would have missed such molecules if present necessitates a re-evaluation of the Viking LR data as well as a continued search for
organic material and life at the Martian surface," he said.

At the SPIE meeting in San Diego, Levin said that after years of tests, and over two dozen non-biological explanations later, "none of the many
attempts to establish the oxidant's mimicry of the LR data did so," he said.

Furthermore, Levin reported that direct evidence exists against any highly oxidizing substance in the surface material of Mars - tucked away and
apparently overlooked in the Viking data itself.

in 1998, NASA's Associate Administrator Wesley Huntress, Jr., stated, "Wherever liquid water and chemical energy are found, there is life. There
is no exception."

Could there, then, be life on Mars? In the mid-1970s, the Viking Lander mission's Gas Exchange Experiment detected strong chemical activity in the
martian soil. Liquid water seems to be the one element needed for the equation of life on Mars. The presence of water there, however, is still hotly
contested.

Data from the Mars Pathfinder support this theory, as the Pathfinder temperature readings noted that temperatures one meter above the surface were
often dozens of degrees colder than the temperatures closer to the ground.

This layer of cold air, say the Levins, provides a form of insulation, trapping the water moisture below. Since the atmosphere is too cold to hold the
water as vapor and the ground is warm enough to melt the ice, the water melts into a liquid. This liquid water, the Levins believe, remains on the
surface until the temperature of the atmosphere rises enough to allow the water to evaporate. In this way, they argue, the martian soil becomes
briefly saturated with liquid water every day.

"The meteorological data fully confirm the presence of liquid water in the topsoil each morning," says Gilbert Levin. "The black-and-white as well
as the color images show slick areas that may well be moist patches."

“The fact that there have been warm and wet places beneath the surface of Mars since before life began on Earth, and that some are probably
still there, means that there is a possibility that primitive micro-organisms survive on Mars today," study co-leader John Murray at the Open
University in the UK said in today's statement. "This mission has changed many of my long-held opinions about Mars – we now have to go there and
check it out."

Other researchers have speculated that if life ever formed on Mars, it could have gone underground and survived to the present day. (Lack of surface
water now, plus the harsh radiation at Mars, suggest it's very unlikely there is any modern-day surface life.)

Many other scientists have said firm proof of life on Mars, if it exists, would require a new mission. The rovers on Mars and spacecraft orbiting
there are not equipped to find life directly.

WASHINGTON -- Researchers using NASA's Mars Global Surveyor spacecraft announced Thursday that they found puzzling signs of water seeping into
what appear to be young, freshly-cut gullies and gaps in the Martian surface.
The startling discovery of recently-formed, weeping layers of rock and sediment has planetary experts scratching their heads.

The wet spots show up in more than 120 locations on Mars and in the coldest places on the planet, said Michael Malin of Malin Space Science Systems in
San Diego, California, which built the spacecraft's camera.

And that presents a "perplexing problem," he said, because logic says that Mars sub-zero temperatures and thin atmosphere should have kept those wet
spots from ever forming.

The wet spots, which turn up in 200 to 250 different images from the Global Surveyor spacecraft, "could be a few million years old but we cannot
rule out that some of them are so recent as to have formed yesterday," Malin said.

And here they are apparently finding that that higher concentrations of methane corresponds with higher concentrations of Water vapour over areas they
know they have subsurface water ice...

Recent analyses of ESA's Mars Express data reveal that concentrations of water vapor and methane in the atmosphere of Mars significantly overlap.
This result, from data obtained by the Planetary Fourier Spectrometer (PFS), gives a boost to understanding of geological and atmospheric processes on
Mars, and provides important new hints to evaluate the hypothesis of present life on the Red Planet.

Here, the concentration is two to three times higher than in other regions observed. These areas of water vapor concentration also correspond to the
areas where NASA's Odyssey spacecraft has observed a water ice layer a few tens of centimeters below the surface, as Dr Vittorio Formisano, PFS
principal investigator, reports.

New in-depth analysis of PFS data also confirms that methane is not uniform in the atmosphere, but concentrated in some areas. The PFS team
observed that the areas of highest concentration of methane overlap with the areas where water vapor and underground water ice are also concentrated.
This spatial correlation between water vapor and methane seems to point to a common underground source.

Originally posted by lost_shaman I'm intending to ask you about the dis-information campaign that has obviously in my mind been
perpetuated by the U.S. and U.S.A.F. N.A.S.A. and others.

The disinformation/misinformation campaign on UFO's works like this: "We (the gov) do not investigate UFO's because whatever they are does not
represent a threat to national security." Any calls to the FAA or Air force bases are handed off to the ufo group in Seattle. Its classic. Now if a
saucer happens to crash they have teams of highly organized, very mobile and extremely talented personnel that deal with that in extraordinarily
ingenious ways. They have pools of equipment in most cities that can be accessed within minutes. For instance lets say a saucer (or for that matter
some of our highly advanced secret aircraft/vehicles) accidentally crashes near a city. Portable wallls can be erected within minutes around the
object. Those who may have accidentally seen something are rounded up and deprogrammed. And yes, they used to cart these people off to relocation
centers one of which was on the Nevada/Utah border for deprograming but they don't have to do that anymore, there are more efficient ways of dealing
with that problem. Mind control is so highly advanced these days that an engineer can work on a project all day long, walk out of his office, go home,
be with his family and never think about what he did or worked on and it never bothers him, for instance he doesn't have that nagging feeling of
'what in the heck did I do today'. Back to the crashed saucer, once the area is secure and the witnesses are rounded up a diversion is created like
a tanker fire or chemical spill nearby to direct all attention away from the real crash. The real crashed vehicle is loaded up and carted away with no
one the wiser. In 1953 they had a saucer about 150 feet in diameter crash about 25 or 30 miles southeast of Garrison, UT. It was too big to move so
they buried it on the spot and its still there. They built a few houses for scientists to stay in and built an underground tunnel from the houses to
the craft. The area was called the Desert Range Experimental Station. But the bottom line is that the government disinformation/misinformation
campaign is as ingenious as it is effective. Remember I told you that somebody knows what you are doing every single second of your life? If you
happen to see something you shouldn't have somebody will be notified and the problem dealt with.

As you really are THE John Lear, I'm not going to pass up the chance to ask you a few questions about something that seems so far away to me (We
don't have many UFO sightings and secret alien bases here in Sweden)

1. If the aliens are doing this harvesting of our souls for good, I assume you mean that the aliens are indeed, well, good rather than evil. But if
Dulce do exist, then I assume the Dulce wars did indeed occur. And if that is the case, then the rumors of Dulce's level 6 ("The Nightmare
Hall"...that name still gives me the creeps), must be true as well. So, are these the same aliens harvesting our souls, and if that's the case, how
can you say they are good?

2. Now, these "martians" you speak of are obviously not the only aliens there is, since you mentioned that every planet was populated. How about the
greys? Are they real, and if they are, is it true that they were made by the Annunaki/Draconians/Lizards, whatever you want to call them? Do the
Annunaki truly exist, or is it just a hoax? (And what about the Nordics?)

3. Have you ever met with Whitley Strieber? What did you think of him? I seem to remember in his second book (been a while since I read it, I might be
mistaken), he wrote that he began to realize the aliens (greys, I assume) were evil, that they were rather treating us as cattle. If so, what's your
opinion on this?

There is a theory that I have often considered at least sensible however unlikely. The theory goes something like , the aliens are abducting Humans
and doing what appear to medical tests on them for the purpose of reclaiming or cleansing their (alien's) dna woth our dna.

The variations on that theory include these aliens are truly Human Beings of the future come back in time to save the Human race from dna
manipulaitons gone awry and the aliens are another race all together that have spent the dna pool and need an infusion of sorts to keep their own
species/genus going.

That certainly sounds a little like harvesting but it's harvesting biological rather than spiritual material.

1. Am I to understand that the "soul harvesting aliens" are different than the greys or the ones described in the Dulce compound?

The following is an opinion. I do not represent anything as 'iron' clad' fact:

I think the greys are cybernetic organisms (glorified robots) who manage or 'take care of' mankind on behalf of another species of aliens, much
higher up. The greys manage the day to day monitering of mankind, they do the abductions usually once when the human reaches 3 years of age, once at 7
years of age and once about 11 to 13 years of age. What they look for or tweak I do not know. Our government is well aware of this and in their
incredible, unbounded ignorance, thought that someday we (the U.S.) were going to defeat the greys which is much like a bunch of ants in one of those
rectangular glass ant farms getting together and saying, "OK, heres my plan for breaking out of here." As a matter of fact thats exactly what its
like. In the middle 80's the secret government came to the shocking conclusion that there wasn't one single thing they were going to able to do
about the greys. They realized the absolute control the aliens had over us. In the words of one shocked military official "Its futile".

So they decided to put a 'spin' on the 'grey' problem. There was way too information out there to deny it so they decided to 'spin' it their way
in a 20 to 30 year program. And this is the way I think they are heading: they took some real information and 'spin' information (the classic mix)
and created "Project Serpo". Project Serpo would be about a species of male/female aliens (bogus, they are glorified robots) who came from the 4th
planet from Zeta Reticuli 2 (true) who live there with there families (bogus, no families) tell time with a sundial (bogus) and play soccer (bogus).
And that we sent a team of 12 (Bogus, it was 3) to check out Planet Serpo and found out it was to hot to enjoy(I don't know what the temperature is
there). The day on Reticulum 4 (the true name for Planet Serpo) is 90 earth hours long, but I haven't seen this particular fact come up on the
Project Serpo disinfo yet. The reason for Project Serpo is to 'spin' the glorified robots in control to just an 'mom and pop' alien species
checking us out. No big deal. Project Serpo has taken 20 years to put together so although we at ATS know whats going on we don't have control of the
world media, so there will be some interesting twists and turns in this story for a long time to come.

If the soul harvesters are trying (?) to lead us to enlightenment, wouldn't they eliminate the harmful aliens?

I don't know the answer to this question.

Or maybe the soul harvesters view the alleged situation/deal between the government and the harmful aliens as part of the process?

Nice speculation. I'd go along with that.

Also, when you say that they want to "put us in the right direction", I conclude that you mean towards enlightenment?

I don't like the word enlightenment (although its probably accurate). It sounds too much like crystals, beads and incense to me.

2. Do you have any opinions/ insights to aliens that live in the ocean? Just wondering, as I seem to have dreams that pertain to
this.

There are huge alien bases in the ocean. The U.S. Navy knows of many.

3. Are we the only planet that is being harvested for souls?

I am afraid that I have unintentially created a monster with my word 'harvest' when 'enlightenment' would be more accurate but is a word that
sounds phoney to me. So choose the word that works best for you.

No, we are not the only planet being harvested/enlightened. We are one of billions all either just like earth or similar. All are in different stages
of development, some way ahead of us, some way behind.

Do you believe Earth was designed for this purpose?

Yes, designed, built, 'moon' towed into orbit, just like all the other billions of earths.

4.There is a lot of talk about "silencing" people who get to close to the truth - Do you ever feel threatened or have you ever had a close
call with this type of thing?

I don't know. I don't know whether or not I have been threatened. Certainly not overtly. But threats can be very subtle. You also have to have a
reasonable level of intelligence to recognize a threat. I may not qualify.

Thank you John. I appreciate your responses. And for the record, I used the word 'enlightenment" for lack of a better word. I was very tired and,
like I said, am working on becoming more educated (with discussion).

The ocean bases in my dreams and the "soul cultivation" aliens really ring true to me. It's like I am on the verge of an explosion of clarity, but
it is stifled. It is very irritating. Kind of like when you start to sneeze and then don't. Have I lost anybody yet?

I have more questions, but will wait until I can articulate them better. I do not normally conduct these kinds of dialouge, so I want to make sure I
am not redundant.

1. If the aliens are doing this harvesting of our souls for good, I assume you mean that the aliens are indeed, well, good rather than evil.
But if Dulce do exist, then I assume the Dulce wars did indeed occur. And if that is the case, then the rumors of Dulce's level 6 ("The Nightmare
Hall"...that name still gives me the creeps), must be true as well. So, are these the same aliens harvesting our souls, and if that's the case, how
can you say they are good?

I don't have answer for that. Dulce is real. Nightmare Hall exists. As a matter of fact I'd like somebody to explain that one to me.

The Dulce war did happen (I don't know why its called the Dulce Wars, plural, it was one incident/disaster). I think it was in 1979. A group of
scientists were being instructed in a classroom by a grey. The greys permitted no firearms or ammuntion of any kind anywhere around them. For some
reason, a security guard (ours) walked into or by the classroom and was instantly killed (don't know how, all were killed with head wounds but don't
know from what.) Delta Force security tried to retaliate against the alien teacher. I don't know if they were successful. The final result was 66
scientists and Delta Force killed. The government had a real problem on their hands accounting to families of dead scientists on this one. Phil
Schneider was there. To my great regret I did not believe his story.

2. Now, these "martians" you speak of are obviously not the only aliens there is, since you mentioned that every planet was populated. How
about the greys? Are they real, and if they are, is it true that they were made by the Annunaki/Draconians/Lizards, whatever you want to call them? Do
the Annunaki truly exist, or is it just a hoax? (And what about the Nordics?)

Greys are real. Don't know who they were made by. The story of the Annunaki would seem to be true, not a hoax. The Nordics exist (check out "Inside
the Aquarium" forget the Russian authors name), don't know who they are.

3. Have you ever met with Whitley Strieber? What did you think of him? I seem to remember in his second book (been a while since I read it, I
might be mistaken), he wrote that he began to realize the aliens (greys, I assume) were evil, that they were rather treating us as cattle. If so,
what's your opinion on this?

Just after he wrote Communion I met Whitley and we became friends. Whitley would call me about 11pm (2am his time) and expound on aliens for several
hours. I eventually started recording these conversations because Whitley did not remember calling me and I had to record it to show him. This went on
for weeks. Val Valerian borrowed one of the tapes and played it for a local UFO group. Whitley found out about it and was rightfully upset. I returned
all the tapes to Whitley and he hasn't spoken to me since. "Treating us like cattle' might be the wrong metaphor because as far as I know the greys
don't use us for food. Others may. But not the greys. Whether or not the greys are 'evil' might depend on whether or not your abduction was a
pleasant experience or not. If it was horrifying, which it usually is, they are 'evil'. If it was pleasant (unlikely) then they are all 'goodness
and light'.

There is a theory that I have often considered at least sensible however unlikely. The theory goes something like , the aliens are abducting
Humans and doing what appear to medical tests on them for the purpose of reclaiming or cleansing their (alien's) dna woth our dna.

The variations on that theory include these aliens are truly Human Beings of the future come back in time to save the Human race from dna
manipulaitons gone awry and the aliens are another race all together that have spent the dna pool and need an infusion of sorts to keep their own
species/genus going.

That certainly sounds a little like harvesting but it's harvesting biological rather than spiritual material.

I may be wrong but I belive this scenario (and its variations. i.e. the 45's and 56's) is part of the Project Serpo disinformation campaign and
here is why I believe that to be true. I heard the same theory being expounded by Dan Burisch during the 6 hours of video that I have seen on him. Now
I believe Dan Burish worked at S-4 and I believe he worked with the J-Rod (EBE 3), I believe him to an honest and forthright scientist. But I also
believe that he is being used unwittingly to bolster the Project Serpo disinformation campaign

Thanks for the answers, John. I think I'll have to take some time and think about all of this now....

But you're right, I shouldn't have said cattle. The correct term, I think seems to be "guinea pigs"... But I read somewhere, although this is just
a mass-produced unproven "fact" in the UFO community, that the greys use body parts of humans to create a goo which they then feed on. I
think I read about it in the Dulce papers, but I'm not sure...

Here is one thing that I can't quite wrap my mind around. What could the motivation be for members of the secret astronaut corps on Mars to go out
and "prolong" the life of the rovers?

If the heads of this group don't want anyone to know that we have a base on Mars, then it stands to reason that they don't want anyone to know
anything about what has, or is, going on on Mars either.

I'm left with two conclusions to ponder on.

1) The secret group and NASA are working together. Be that the case, NASA would know that there are men on the ground, so why even send
rovers to perform any science to begin with? A dog and pony show for the public? Still, if it is just for show, why not let the rovers get
encumbered by dust and die off after 90 days like everyone expected them to? No one would have questioned it, and then they could have pored our
money into something else that we already know about.

2) NASA has no idea that the secret group is even there, or even exists. Be that the case, why help NASA? Could there possibly be rogue
members of the secret corps who want some of the secrets of Mars coming out, by subtly prolonging the rovers' lives in hopes it finds something? I
think that NASA conceals any "find" from the public's eyes anyway, so I don't know what that would accomplish. Or are they not trying to help,
but rather, just screwing with NASA?

John Lear: All we know is that the Greys are cybernetic organisms, glorified robots if you will, who work here at the behest of their employers
monitoring us through abductions. We were never able to find out what the experiment is all about except that we have been externally corrected about
65 times. And they, the aliens, refer to us as "Containers." There's been speculation that the souls our bodies contain is the reason for
the experiments. But nothing's been proven or determined.

[...]

In 1954, President Eisenhower met with a representative of another alien species at Muroc Test Center, which is now called Edwards Airforce Base. This
alien suggested that they could help us get rid of the Greys but Eisenhower turned down their offer because they offered no technology.

At this point it became apparent to all involved that there was no such thing as a God, at least how the public perceives God. Certainly some form of
computer recorder stores information and an occasional miracle is displayed by the aliens to influence a religious event. This so unnerved
Eisenhower that he had "In God We Trust" put on paper money and coins and put in the Pledge of Allegiance to reaffirm the public belief in God.
Shortly after this it was determined in meetings between the US and the Russians that the situation was serious enough that a cold war should be
manufactured as a ruse to divert attention of the public away from UFOs towards some other scary threat like the H-bomb. It was also decided to keep
the ruse secret from any elected or appointed officials within both the US and Russian governments as it took so long to vet these officials and the
ruse was easier to manage if the top people didn't know about it.

[...]

And this last clip is of the Kennedy assassination. You've heard of the second gunman theory? Well, this is the second camera that recorded exactly
what happened and we had 4 gunmen. And the bottom line was that Kennedy had to go. He insisted on releasing what little alien information we had
told him about and he was trying to withdraw troops from Vietnam which we were using as a diversion for the public. After Kennedy we never told any
President anything. Nixon knew because he was briefed as VP in 1952. That's how we knew where to take Jackie Gleason to Homestead Air Force Base
to see the alien bodies we had in storage there.

Harvesting souls? or using our physical bodies to get something they desperately need in order to survive, like our DNA perhaps, which apperently
contains a sub atomic particle that will be discovered in our DNA in the near future which is supposed to demonstrate that we are connected to all
things including the Force of all things, could that be why they might be trying to harvest us to hybryd themselves with a soul? just a theory...
it's very hard for some to make a connection between religion and science fact or fiction for that matter.. I think thats why there's so much
confusion..thats the problem with a free for all website, people don't follow the stories linearly the way they should and get lost being bounced
around from theory to theory..not everybody is on the same playing-field.. but that's all by design.

A baby deer is born deep in the forests of Canada soon thereafter, deer wanders off to go explore and eat, when all of a sudden its startled by the
sound of something overhead and just at that moment its thoughts go blank, it wakes up suddenly somewhere else and scared heads back to find its
mother, 'what happenned you've been gone for a while,what are those marks on your body?
" i dont know all i remeber was sound overhead and then i was somewhere else" meanwhile... in a helicopter further away "did you mark it in red or
blue?"
"red" good will come back and check on it in a year from today...

Originally posted by longhaircowboy
And do you still buy into the human eating Martians or are they from somewhere else?
Val Valerian is a hoax. It's really John Grace.

Hi LHC, nice to see you back again! Val Valerian is not a hoax. It is the name John Grace used to publish the Matrix series while he was still in the
Air Force. He still uses it. John was stationed at Nellis Air Force Base and lived just down the street from me. John and I worked together on
Matrix 1, as a matter of fact most of the information in Matrix 1 came right off the top of my desk.

Please tell me more about your human eating Martians I don't think I've heard that one before. I'm curious LHC, where else would 'Martians' be
from?

Where do we stand on the Mars colour issue Springer? I will assume that you read it ( you said as much ) and i would appreciate a response to that
part of my post. Kano's work is but a small subset of the whole and it proved not a thing.

Originally posted by mecheng
Mr. Lear,
Do you know why some people are abducted and others aren't? Is there some trait in those people that the aliens are looking for?
Thanks.

Sorry, I don't know the answer to that question. I do know that if one member of a family has been abducted, then all members of the family,
including brothers and sisters. mother and father, grandmother and grandfather etc etc have all been abducted.

This information comes to me first hand from personal 'face to face' contacts I have or have had with persons within the secret government. It is
information I believe to be true. As I have not been to Mars yet, the information remains an 'opinion'.

I wish you guys would stop brainwashing our young children. I saw a saturday morning cartoon recently which was teaching our yourth not to invade
other people's privacy and then said, "unless you are part of the secret underground government, then it is okay...."

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