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NBA top ten shooting guards SI.COM

I'm not sure I agree with this positioning.

9Paul George, Indiana Pacers George was just one of many good players on a very good Pacers team last season. But with his athletic ability, he has the potential to be much more than that. At 22, he's already an excellent 3-point shooter and defender, not to mention an explosive dunker. If he improves his ballhandling and develops more of an intermediate game, he could become Indiana's first genuine star since Reggie Miller.

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I wouldn't have put Gordon on that list at all. Personally, I think someone has to actually PLAY in order to make a top ten list.

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I didn't expect PG to be there. Tyreke, Kevin Martin, and Rip had bad years. Shumpert was good.

Shumpert was no where near top 10 last year IMO his decision making and shooting is horrendous. On top of that he is coming off an ACL tear. He does have some Tony Allen like defense though. I hope he can improve his decision making but it was really bad last year just like in college.

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That looks about right to me. Martin and Afflolo aren't good enough offensively for me to rank them over Paul.

I'd generally agree, but Martin looks better defensively right now than in years past. He actually tries, he's just not very physically gifted. I think offensively there's a bigger gap than defensively.

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I think you have to give more consideration for injurys. If a player is never on the court they can't impact a game. EG doesn't belong on any top list until he proves he can play a full season. Iggy as usual is over rated.

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I just ran an eFG% list (FGM plus bonus .5 make for each 3PM/FGA) for all G or G-F with at least 30 games played for the last 3 seasons, meaning players can have 3 entries on the list.

Gordon's 1st appearance is 68th. 68th from a top 10 SG who's main role is shooting/scoring? Even if every other guy ahead of him had 3 listings, that still puts him at 23rd. Now maybe if it also features not only PGs and SGs but also all SFs (it doesn't) then he might be hitting into the 7-10 range.

But guys like Wes Matthews, Jodie Meeks, JJ Redick, Afflalo, JRich, and Sefalosha all show up with recent seasons shooting better than him. His 10-11 season is 16th in Points per Minute among 30 games played guys with at least 15 mpg, but it's no better than Jamal Crawford's season. Kobe, KMart, Wade and Ellis all have multiple appearances before him on that list.

And he doesn't have a season in the top 100 by those same criteria (last 3, 30 GP, 15 mpg) when you go by 3P%. For that you want Ben Gordon, Courtney Lee, Avery Bradley, not to mention Ray Allen, Matthews, Affalo or even OJ Mayo.

By Basketball-Ref Paul George is a straight F and doesn't show up on these queries. Expanding it to include F and F-G adds in not only Paul George but other shooters like Mike Miller and Kyle Korver, as well as Brandon Rush (F-G). And they all shoot the deep ball better and natually maintain a higher overall eFG%.

Tony Allen and Paul George also make a nice case due to steals.

Eric Gordon is a nice kid, but he's only been really an average scoring guard who is injured a lot. He's not proven to be any more unstoppable than a lot of other players when he's on the court, and being at his best maybe 12-15th in wing/SG style scoring is not enough to overcome his injuries and push him into a top 10 SG ranking.

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I'm sorry, Manu Ginobili is still pretty disrespected. Am I overrating him by saying I'd take him over anyone not named Wade and Kobe?

Paul George..um...you know what, I do think he's in the top third of starting shooting guards, so if you think about it that way, maybe the ranking isn't that off.

And I think I'd take Kobe with one arm and one leg (which is essentially what he is) over any other shooting guard. Wade is often injured and is losing his athleticism himself - and he's not nearly as skilled as Kobe.

Re: NBA top ten shooting guards SI.COM

I'm sorry, Manu Ginobili is still pretty disrespected. Am I overrating him by saying I'd take him over anyone not named Wade and Kobe?

Paul George..um...you know what, I do think he's in the top third of starting shooting guards, so if you think about it that way, maybe the ranking isn't that off.

And I think I'd take Kobe with one arm and one leg (which is essentially what he is) over any other shooting guard. Wade is often injured and is losing his athleticism himself - and he's not nearly as skilled as Kobe.

Kobe's athleticism has all but left him, and he's still probably the best pure perimeter scorer not named Durant right now. His use of angles, shot fakes, and pace is fundamental to a Tee.

Wade has relied on his strength and athleticism for years, and it's finally starting to catch up to him. If he doesn't make some changes to his game, his scoring numbers will fall off as he continues to age and his athleticism erodes.

Also: I don't think Ginobili has "it" any more. Can he get up for a playoff game or two? Sure. But during the reg season, and over the course of a series, he wears down. Maybe he was still recovering from his injuries the times I saw him last year, but he definitely didn't seem like Manu of old.