The issue here is you think both us and Arsenal did everything possible and Ramsey simply choose Arsenal over us for whatever reason. The story at the time was that Ramsey was approached by Wenger, who outlined his plan for him and shown around the club and this was the motivating factor. And it makes sense. You're an 18 year old lad being courted by a lot of club, what's going to appeal to you as a footballer the most? Having the manager personally outline his plan for you, or hearing it from another player (who lets face it has no say on tactics or playing time?).

I might be wrong and the media misrepresented our pursuit of him, but it seems that while Fergie was on vacation in the US, Wenger was showing the lad around the Emirates and THAT's why he signed for them. Despite claiming that he was a united fan, and that he wanted to play alongside his idol Giggs he chose Arsenal. Their case of presenting him with a better footballing future was more compelling then ours, and if the story of how he was courted is true then i'm not sure i can argue he wasn't right to choose the team he did.

You seem to be defending our chase of the player and that's fine, but I personally don't believe we did enough to sign him. How much that hurts us only time will tell.

For 5 million he was a fecking steal. We should have done more. And yes, hypnotizing him should have been considered. It obviously wasn't...

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The small problem with what you've said there is it sounds like you're implying Ferguson isn't entitled to have a holiday during the off season, which is, of course, preposterous.

Also, I think Wenger flew Ramsay and his family over to France on a private jet.

He choose Arsenal because he wanted to go there, SAF and Wenger probably had little to do with the situation in terms of it as both have a proven track record with young players. I think in the end he probably wanted to live in London and also probably thought it would be easier to get into the Arsenal first team at the time.

Ramsey will be top class, no doubt about it.. he has the same vibe about him that Rooney, Ronaldo had at the same age albeit he's a central midfielder. Unless he gets injured I can only envisage great things.

It makes me sick that Arsenal paid £5million for Ramsey, while we payed £18 million for Anderson. And they got the better player.

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Not so sure about that comment, Ramsay while has shown great improvement this season still has plenty of improving to do. Though the same can be said for Anderson, haven't seen him play more recently but has looked a bit hit and miss at times.

Not so sure about that comment, Ramsay while has shown great improvement this season still has plenty of improving to do. Though the same can be said for Anderson, haven't seen him play more recently but has looked a bit hit and miss at times.

Your double win wasn't down to Anderson and to call him ever present in that midfield is pushing it, Carrick, Scholes and Hargreaves were all clearly better than him that season.

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Nah, Hargreaves had his moments but they were few and far between, really. Scholes really wasn't at his best either, though that was one hell of a strike against Barca.