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Inspired from a classic MRA document, the Catalog of Anti-Male Shaming tactics,” this is the first draft of a hopefully growing list of rote-response Talking Points used by Atheism cultists routinely to shift the subject away from the dogmatic, unproven, pseudoscience and/or pseudohistory peddled by the modern Atheism cult.

If Atheism is not a movement why do they have logos?

To be clear, these are things that routinely come out of Atheist mouths these days. I am open to input for any I have missed. The list may also benefit from categorization–this is a second draft for public scrutiny, the first, with little difference, is on my blog –DE

Scripted Robotic Atheist Comments – Draft Two:

You’re simpleminded and childish.

I don’t believe in your particular Sky fairy I understand Science!

You have an Imaginary Friend you call God or whatever.

You’re in denial about reality.

You’re just afraid to die.

You can’t accept that Science has defeated your Bronze Age superstition.

No matter what you say, Evolution is still right!

Learn Science! Didn’t anyone tell you about the Big Bang?

You don’t want to give up your cherished beliefs

You’re bitter because Atheism is now popular and your religion is dying.

All religion is dying science has triumphed over it and that makes you afraid.

You just want people’s minds to be controlled.

You’re afraid to think for yourself.

You’re exaggerating the hatefulness of Atheism.

You’re paranoid about Atheists and see Atheists everywhere.

I’m not even an Atheist! I’m just agnostic/apatheist/Christian who agrees with all Atheism cult Talking Points.
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You just want your religion in charge of everything.

You just hate that anyone is having sex without your permission.

You hate gays and want to control/convert/brainwash/imprison/kill them.

You hate women and want to control them.

You hate all Atheists.

You’re delusional/crazy.

Real men don’t kneel to anyone or anything!

Independent minds worship nothing!

You just want to force women/men to get married and have children.

Your religion is scary: [insert random Futrellized Bible verse here]

Inquisitions

Witch hunts

Crusades

Religion creates war.

You’re one of those right-wing wackos.

You’re a closet commie.

You’re an extremist.

You sound like the KKK. The KKK was Christian and responsible for all the lynchings and racism.

Stop generalizing! Not All Atheists Are Like That!

That’s an anti-Atheist stereotype!

Why do you hate women?

You are insensitive to the plight of your religion’s victims!

You are mean-spirited.

You want to roll back civil rights of women!

You’re being rude and that makes me think I should avoid your religion.

Shouldn’t you be nice to people? Isn’t that what Jesus said?

You’re unstable.

You have issues.

You need therapy.

Weirdo!

You just want money for your religious scam.

How can you be so rude to someone who was abused by religious authority figures?

You were never really an Atheist.

You just don’t understand True Atheism.

I just worship one less god than you!

You have no evidence!

NB: More suggestions are welcome! –DE

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At the prompting of they guys at the “Rome Is Burning” Show (please click here please go check them out). This is not a paid endorsement as we do not do any product endorsements at this time on Escaping Atheism (though we’re not opposed to it since Escaping Atheism is most assuredly NOT an authorized ministry of any Church).

So a few weeks ago I had an interesting conversation with Wil at Placeholder Films. I ran my mouth long as I often do, but it was an interesting conversation. I explained how I walked all the way from Atheism Central to Vatican City, but in the second half hour I had some questions for him that I was certain would convince a rational person that there is something intensely ideological and rather predictable about the way Atheists think. I was really pretty sure that with some reflection, almost all his answers were faith statements, or let’s call them sentiment. I got them all from conversations with Atheists and things I would sometimes think when I was an Atheist.

A lot of people found these questions and answers interesting so I’m pasting them below the video conversation we had. And we’re scheduled to talk with Wil again tomorrow around 2pm Eastern on his channel. Can’t wait!

Here were the questions I asked this bright young man. Do you the listener/supporter or even critic/”skeptic” have suggestions on how to sharpen the questions? Because I think this informal experiment bears repeating for any Christians or members of other religions:

Answer Yes or No (or “lean mostly yes” or “lean mostly no”):

1 Atheism is not a belief, it’s lack of belief. It is totally non-ideological.
2 Atheism says nothing whatsoever about your personality or your views.
3 Atheism is about science, logic, reason, and evidence. Religion is the opposite of those things.
4 Atheism is about facts over feelings.
5 Atheism frees minds and teaches people how to think for themselves.
6 There is no evidence for God

7 Science is how we determine if things are true or not.
8 The reason we can trust science is that it frequently overturns itself if it turns out to be wrong.
9 Science is something that helps you overcome religion.
10 Religion is delusional or brainwashing.
11 Overcoming religion is a good thing because it’s backward superstition holding back human progress and enlightenment.

12 Skepticism is a scientific principle or is inherently scientific.
13 Occam’s Razor is a scientific principle or is inherently scientific.

14 If you see something that seems impossible, you must have imagined it or were always just fooled.
15 The laws of physics don’t change or, if they do, they only change in ways scientists can predict and measure.

16 The human mind is entirely a property or function or emergent effects of chemicals in the brain and/or Central Nervous System.
17 There are no forces, phenomena, or entities which exist outside of or apart from physical nature.
18 The laws of physics are explained by science.

19 If God exists, human beings are intelligent, wise, and moral enough to pass judgement on God’s actions and motives.

20 It is appropropriate to worry about the effects of religion on people, but there’s no reason to worry about Atheism.

(Prepared for a podcast.)

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Update: Screen shot of original article before this update here: http://imgur.com/a/BuBlw

(Provided because Atheists tend to quickly pounce on any deviation as an act of bad faith):

Here is how I marked Wil’s answers:

1 Atheism is not a belief, it’s lack of belief. It is totally non-ideological. Yes
2 Atheism says nothing whatsoever about your personality or your views. Yes
3 Atheism is about science, logic, reason, and evidence. Religion is the opposite of those things. No/not
4 Atheism is about facts over feelings. Yes
5 Atheism frees minds and teaches people how to think for themselves. Neutral
6 There is no evidence for God. Yes

7 Science is how we determine if things are true or not. Yes
8 The reason we can trust science is that it frequently overturns itself if it turns out to be wrong. No
9 Science is something that helps you overcome religion. NO
10 Religion is delusional or brainwashing. Yes
11 Overcoming religion is a good thing because it’s backward superstition holding back human progress and enlightenment. Yes

12 Skepticism is a scientific principle or is inherently scientific. No (but core, needed)
13 Occam’s Razor is a scientific principle or is inherently scientific. Yes

14 If you see something that seems impossible, you must have imagined it or were always just fooled. NO
15 The laws of physics don’t change or, if they do, they only change in ways scientists can predict and measure. No* (quantum objection)

16 The human mind is entirely a property or function or emergent effects of chemicals. in the brain and/or Central Nervous System. Yes
17 There are no forces, phenomena, or entities which exist outside of or apart from physical nature. Yes
18 The laws of physics are explained by science. Yes

20 It is appropropriate to worry about the effects of religion on people, but there’s no reason to worry about Atheism. No

Once again Wil is not to be crucified for his responses (pun intended) because they were asked off the top of his head, the fact that they are general sentiment not ironclad ideas is accepted, where he took exception I noted he took some exception and you can decide what you think. But here were his answers. And any serious Non-Atheist would answer “No” to most or all these questions, and almost any Atheist would be predicted to lean “Yes” on most of them.

“Atheist/Skeptic/Rationalist” community you have an ideology problem and it’s quite glaring. Especially when you keep screaming that you can ‘t have one.

Wil’s answers:

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1 Atheism is not a belief, it’s lack of belief. It is totally non-ideological. Yes
2 Atheism says nothing whatsoever about your personality or your views. Yes
3 Atheism is about science, logic, reason, and evidence. Religion is the opposite of those things. No
4 Atheism is about facts over feelings. Yes
5 Atheism frees minds and teaches people how to think for themselves. Neutral
6 There is no evidence for God. Yes

7 Science is how we determine if things are true or not. Yes
8 The reason we can trust science is that it frequently overturns itself if it turns out to be wrong. No
9 Science is something that helps you overcome religion. No (some maybe)
10 Religion is delusional or brainwashing. Yes
11 Overcoming religion is a good thing because it’s backward superstition holding back human progress and enlightenment. Yes

12 Skepticism is a scientific principle or is inherently scientific. No (but core, needed)
13 Occam’s Razor is a scientific principle or is inherently scientific. Yes

14 If you see something that seems impossible, you must have imagined it or were always just fooled. NO
15 The laws of physics don’t change or, if they do, they only change in ways scientists can predict and measure. No* (quantum objection)

16 The human mind is entirely a property or function or emergent effects of chemicals. in the brain and/or Central Nervous System. Yes
17 There are no forces, phenomena, or entities which exist outside of or apart from physical nature. Yes
18 The laws of physics are explained by science. Yes

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Nowadays, atheists define their position as “lack of a belief in God or gods”. This definition itself is idiotic. By defining their position as lack of belief, that means that bricks, dust motes, and people in comas are atheists.

If we add a reasonable clause to this, changing it to “Atheism is lack of a belief in God or gods, in an agent that is capable of such a belief.” we end up with a psychological property. Psychological properties are uninteresting for philosophical discussion. “I lack a belief in God.” Well, we do believe in God. So what? Do you hold that lack of belief to be rationally justified?

They claim this lack of belief doesn’t have any additional impact on other beliefs.

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My name is Dean Esmay, and I am a secular social critic. I am also a former Atheist, and what I call a “Little-o” orthodox Christian. Orthodox Christianity is very different from the Bible-only, “believe or burn” type of Christianity so often stereotyped in the media and that are so often the loudmouths of the Internet, flinging Bible verses at people and giving you their own opinions, telling people that they’ll burn if they don’t believe in Jesus, etc.

Orthodox type Christians are not like that and don’t behave that way. We don’t knock on your doors either. We don’t believe in treating people of different races badly. We don’t believe in mistreating people, or treating them as less valuable than anyone else—even if they do things we think are bad for them, like sex outside of marriage and stuff like that. We don’t tell them how to live or think to judge them. We try to accept people for who they are, while telling them what we think is a Godly life. You aren’t required to believe us.

I’ve started Escaping Atheism as a new project with some of my fellow little-o Orthodox Christians. Our goal isn’t to get you to believe or burn. Our goal isn’t even to get you to become a Christian, although obviously we’d be happy if you did. On the other hand, if you told us you accepted Jesus Christ as your personal savior right here and now, we would tell you that doesn’t mean anything, that the Demons in Hell know Jesus is Lord. You’ve got way more work to do than just saying the magic words and believing.