stonelotus:everyone seems to be overlooking the important question here and that is... did the crime rate go up or down in Zimmerman's neighborhood after Martin got plugged? Because I'd be highly amused if all those unsolved break-ins coincidentally stopped.

birdmanesq:Phinn: birdmanesq: stonelotus: everyone seems to be overlooking the important question here and that is... did the crime rate go up or down in Zimmerman's neighborhood after Martin got plugged? Because I'd be highly amused if all those unsolved break-ins coincidentally stopped.

Because black people, am I right?

Zimmerman's former neighborhood didn't have a rash of break-ins by elderly Chinese women, that's for sure.

Want to guess the actual demographic?

You know what my second favorite fallacy is? Any guesses?

What's funny is this Phinn guy has spent the last year defending Zimmerman and pretending there was no racial motive, but by trying to be clever with that last post, he just admitted that yes, Zimmerman was following Trayvon because he was black.

Apparently his plan didn't work out. He was threatening them in the hopes that one of them would try to protect themselves from him so he could shoot them (in self defense) and not get convicted for it... just like last time.

Bf+:100 Watt Walrus: There's simply no way this could possibly be true.

I know, right? This doesn't sound like Zimmermen at all.Now if she had been shot dead... I mean, stand-your-grounded.

He does have a point. What are the odds that he *did* punch her father, smash and gouge her iPad with a knife, and then threaten them with a handgun, and they both stood there and gave the police that statement and the police showed up and were like:

Bf+:ThatDarkFellow: naughtyrev: steamingpile: naughtyrev: Wow. Someone went and derped hard in the comments of this story.

Its subby, questioned does not equal arrest but just the same as the other side wanted OJ the left is frothing in its attempt to get him, I think this lady was a biatch the whole time and out for her own deals.

I was referring specifically to the fact that some crazy was bringing up Benghazi in the comments to a Zimmerman story.

ZIMMERGATE

Benghazimmermen?

Of course, this whole Zimmerman affair is just a clever ruse by the MSM to distract us from BENGHAZI!

George Zimmerman is as worthless as a broken dildo and just as useful. The only reason this shiatstain is a national name is because Florida is a few fries short of a Happy Meal. Whatever your personal opinion of the Trayvon Martin case, one of them was armed with the gun, the other had iced tea and Skittles, and the one with the gun isn't in jail.

I expect it's just a matter of time before he kills someone else. But in this case, evidence looks weak, and this would not be the first estranged wife to make up a story in the middle of divorce proceedings, and considering she lied under oath, her word isn't enough to be convincing.

Those are due process rights. Felons cannot have guns. Just because the NY Times says that this is a gun rights issue doesn't make it so. The word "blender" can be substituted for "Gun" and the law is still the same.

you are a puppet:birdmanesq: Phinn: birdmanesq: stonelotus: everyone seems to be overlooking the important question here and that is... did the crime rate go up or down in Zimmerman's neighborhood after Martin got plugged? Because I'd be highly amused if all those unsolved break-ins coincidentally stopped.

Because black people, am I right?

Zimmerman's former neighborhood didn't have a rash of break-ins by elderly Chinese women, that's for sure.

Want to guess the actual demographic?

You know what my second favorite fallacy is? Any guesses?

What's funny is this Phinn guy has spent the last year defending Zimmerman and pretending there was no racial motive, but by trying to be clever with that last post, he just admitted that yes, Zimmerman was following Trayvon because he was black.

Zimmerman's known for standing up for that community as a whole, including helping quite a few African Americans. If you know the person actually doing all the crimes is witnessed as black and relatively young, that's not racial profiling... that's just profiling. If you assume they're black, now you're racial profiling... need to get the terms right.

Weaver95:I wonder what might happen to zimmerman if we started pelting him with skittles?

CSB time...

I went to the same high school that my dad went to when he was in high school. We also had thesame english teacher, Mrs. H. During my dad's tenure at RMHS, a bunch of students locked herin her supplies closet and chucked pennies at the door for an entire period. She kind of...well...fractured... a bit after that.

Flash forward the 20 or so some odd years to when I am in her class. Some kid found out aboutthat incident and would roll pennies across the floor during class to see her spaz out. It was sosad. She was a sweet lady, too. Kid got detention and then some for tormenting her, as I recall.

Same teacher, some assh0le jocks superglued a half dissected frog to the inside drawer of herdesk. One half of the frog had been reduced to the skeleton and the other half was flayed open.

Zim better watch his step. Next time he goes over there to get his socks or something, he just might get his head farking blown off all legal and everything. His soon-to-be-ex wife and father-in-law have laid the foundation for a stand your ground shooting of their own. All they need to say is something like,"Well, George came over and started yelling and shiat. He always carries a gun and he started reaching back where he keeps it. I was scarred to death and grabbed the shotgun. Next thing I know, George's head was dripping down the kitchen wall."

you are a puppet:birdmanesq: Phinn: birdmanesq: stonelotus: everyone seems to be overlooking the important question here and that is... did the crime rate go up or down in Zimmerman's neighborhood after Martin got plugged? Because I'd be highly amused if all those unsolved break-ins coincidentally stopped.

Because black people, am I right?

Zimmerman's former neighborhood didn't have a rash of break-ins by elderly Chinese women, that's for sure.

Want to guess the actual demographic?

You know what my second favorite fallacy is? Any guesses?

What's funny is this Phinn guy has spent the last year defending Zimmerman and pretending there was no racial motive, but by trying to be clever with that last post, he just admitted that yes, Zimmerman was following Trayvon because he was black.

This ... is why you fail.

What I've been arguing all this time is that Zimmerman had the RIGHT to follow Martin, whether he actually did so because Martin was black, or whether Zimmerman happened to have a level of racial neutrality that you personally find to be politically acceptable. I have no way of knowing why Zimmerman actually followed Martin, other than to say that he thought he was suspicious. His contemporaneous statements at the time, on the recorded call to the police, stand as the only un-rebutted evidence on his motive.

And, considering that Zimmerman went into business with a black friend, is himself one-eighth black, and organized a protest for the police's lack of response to the beating of a black man, I'd say that the evidence of racial animus is pretty much non-existent.

Whether Zimmerman was following Martin out of race-tainted suspicion, or just by virtue of Martin being a single teenaged male walking aimlessly at night with no other apparent purpose, the fact remains that Zimmerman was suspicious, and that he had the RIGHT to observe and report people he subjectively found to be suspicious. Police actively encourage that. It's legal.

If, however, Zimmerman was, in fact, suspicious of Martin "because he was black," then that, too, would have been entirely rational, because (not knowing anything else about Martin at the time, such as his history of possessing jewelry that had been stolen from a residence near his high school), young black males commit a highly disproportionate number of residential burglaries. And that his particular neighborhood had actually been recently burglarized by actual young black males.

That's reality. Accepting reality is rational, and rationality does not care about your fee-fees, or how much it may offend your politics.

stonelotus:everyone seems to be overlooking the important question here and that is... did the crime rate go up or down in Zimmerman's neighborhood after Martin got plugged? Because I'd be highly amused if all those unsolved break-ins coincidentally stopped.

If I knew there was a guy who may or may not follow, then shoot me when walking around a neighborhood, I'd probably stop walking it whether I was planning on burgling it or not. I'd invest in a treadmill.

Bf+:Carth: Were there any witnesses?PunGent: key point for me will be third-party witness testimony, if any.

FTFA:"He punched my dad in the nose my dad has a mark on the nose. I saw his glasses were on the floor," Shellie Zimmerman said in the call. He then accosted my father then took my iPad out of my hands. He then smashed it and cut it with a pocketknife, and there is a Lake Mary city worker across the street that I believe saw all of it."

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Yes, reading IS fundamental. You'll note that's ALL Shellie's testimony. Let's wait to actually get, at a minimum, a direct quote from the alleged worker who allegedly saw something, hmm?