If this forum is going to devolve into religious bickering, we will all hate each other by the end of it. Religion, as with politics, is a hard topic to debate

It is hard to have a rational debate when one premise is not founded in rational thought, and thus actually arguing about it is, to a degree, irrational. Necessary in some settings... but still irrational. With that being said:

No religious theory should ever be substituted for science in the class room. If you want to teach your own children about your beliefs; take them to church. If you want your child to get an education; send them to school.

Please don't waste my tax dollars on ideology. World religion courses are fine because they teach within a broad sociological context and teach about the world in doing so. Substituting untestable religious ideas for science is simply wasting my tax dollars.

Would we ever consider substituting science for a Native American's explanation? How bout a Buddhist's explanation? How bout an African tribe's explanation? How bout a Scientologist's explanation?
Most wouldn't even consider it and these are all just as valid explanations as christian "creationism".

I don't mean to continue to stir the pot, but this is important to who we are as a state. We can still have strongly rooted religious values, whatever they might be, but we need to draw the line and show that we are serious about clearly defining the role of government in our lives. This is beyond the scope of what the government is here to do.

***For the sake of sanity, civility, and the purpose of this thread I will not comment any further or respond to other comments on this subject.***

__________________I happen to think that things are going to happen for Indianapolis...

HOWEVER: I will not take kindly to the "right to work" protesters who are now in the super bowl village protesting this morning in front of St Lukes church. That is one thing I won't put up with if its near me and affecting my time of enjoyment etc...

This is about the SUPER BOWL. Not Right to Work so the protestors better not screw this up.

I'm afraid that's the right to free speech my friend. So long as they do not disrupt others or break any laws, then they are fine. They are Hoosiers, and have far more of a claim to the plazas and streets than any tourist or sponsor.

Would it be distasteful? Yes, but this is a very serious issue to them.

__________________"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything"- Alex Hamilton

"I don’t know what it is about Hoosiers, but wherever you go there is always a Hoosier doing something very important there."-Kurt Vonnegut

Just finished watching Naptown to Super City. It was really, really great. Although the Star refreshes their page automagically every 15 minutes to recycle ads and thus blows up the video. Nice job fellas.

I was thinking this might come across very boosterish. But honestly, I thought while a few areas were over the top, the tone was right on. Honestly, it was pretty amazing to see the journey of the city.

When you compare Indy to cities like Cincinnati and such, you've always got to begin with this in mind: Indy started with virtually nothing and built something, and in the modern era. It's a record not too many cities can claim, especially in the Frost Belt.

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And... Blocked. Not for political reasons, but because intelligent discussion demands respect for your adversary. I might not agree with everything said on here, but no respect is lost from rigorous debate on the merits. No matter what your point is you will always lose when you use overly charged propaganda punchlines to try to make the other party feel small. Those tactics tell everyone else that you don't have a good argument and that you are not able or willing to listen to the other position. You have already made up your mind and have chosen to be rude instead of defending your stance. You wreck your own credibility and you will never change anyone's mind with those tactics.

__________________I happen to think that things are going to happen for Indianapolis...

I drove by the City Way site yesterday on my way home and they have the "visitors center for potential renters" building set up across South Street where people can stop in and learn about the features of the community and pick up brochures, etc. They have two very nice large screen televisions that you can see through the doors from outside showing a continuous video of what the complex will be like. The video is pretty impressive. I didn't go in because the center had closed already -- but they did leave the videos running inside.

Nice, thanks for heads up.

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Just finished watching Naptown to Super City. It was really, really great. Although the Star refreshes their page automagically every 15 minutes to recycle ads and thus blows up the video. Nice job fellas.

I was thinking this might come across very boosterish. But honestly, I thought while a few areas were over the top, the tone was right on. Honestly, it was pretty amazing to see the journey of the city.

When you compare Indy to cities like Cincinnati and such, you've always got to begin with this in mind: Indy started with virtually nothing and built something, and in the modern era. It's a record not too many cities can claim, especially in the Frost Belt.

Back in the early 80's, one of the few street-level downtown restaurants was J. Pierpont's on East Market. When dining there, it was always possible to park a block or less away on the newly-bricked corridor. Coming from the East Coast, I preferred late dining...730 seating. By the time my companion(s) and I were done with dessert, typically the whole waitstaff was standing around waiting for us to leave. At 845 or 9pm.

This is a cultural norm that I am glad has changed, though I do miss easy parking downtown. And I am fuddy-duddy enough to miss dress-code dining. There's always Red Key.

Demo Work started up again out of nowhere at the Uptown site. I walked out the door yesterday morning to that pleasant surprise. There's still one house being rented at the 50th street side of the block, but after this every thing else shall have been cleared for development.

From what I understand, this is a trailer for the light show. Unbelievably bad place to locate it. This has the potential to ruin the most photographed spot in the city. Not a good look for Indy and I believe details like this matter greatly.

Just finished watching Naptown to Super City. It was really, really great. Although the Star refreshes their page automagically every 15 minutes to recycle ads and thus blows up the video. Nice job fellas.

I was thinking this might come across very boosterish. But honestly, I thought while a few areas were over the top, the tone was right on. Honestly, it was pretty amazing to see the journey of the city.

When you compare Indy to cities like Cincinnati and such, you've always got to begin with this in mind: Indy started with virtually nothing and built something, and in the modern era. It's a record not too many cities can claim, especially in the Frost Belt.

Yes and that was an EPIC AND GREAT DOCUMENTARY!
Made me cry a little in happiness to see such progress.

And... Blocked. Not for political reasons, but because intelligent discussion demands respect for your adversary. I might not agree with everything said on here, but no respect is lost from rigorous debate on the merits. No matter what your point is you will always lose when you use overly charged propaganda punchlines to try to make the other party feel small. Those tactics tell everyone else that you don't have a good argument and that you are not able or willing to listen to the other position. You have already made up your mind and have chosen to be rude instead of defending your stance. You wreck your own credibility and you will never change anyone's mind with those tactics.

And I think that the discussion should not continue! Watch Moneyball, in the scouts discussions... It is going that way.

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Actually i would like to see the Market Square Arena site be transformed into the Indianapolis Exchange Center.
Make the Skyscraper 1000+ Feet tall and add some major corporations to it.
Chicago Board Options Exchange Inc CEO recently said he was embarassed to live in Illinois and heck thats a perfect opportunity EVEN after the corporate welfare given by Ill-Annoy to bring a major financial company like that here. Heck building a skyscraper like that we could also consolidate the HQ's of companies like HHGregg and Finish Line and Republic Airway holdings into downtown and move the jobs to downtown from the Suburbs.
Having a skyscraper that tall and with that much spaces gives Indy the chance to target major companies. CME group when they looked at Indianapolis only had the Chase Tower to choose from cause they demanded so much room.
Another great thing about this idea is even if we can't get a bunch of major corporations to relocate their HQ to the Indianapolis Exchange Center as i said before we can move some of the companies in the suburbs into Downtown.

I thought i would add on a little bit to this proposal that would make it easier to fill up a new skyscraper.
Currently Indiana is reducing our Corporate Business Tax from 8.5% to 6.5%.
Why don't we set a new Corporate Tax rate of 0% for companies Headquartered in Indiana? That would be a very powerful weapon to recruit businesses with along with Right to Work.
One way to make up for lost revenue on this is eliminate Township level of Government and if needed raise the Personal Income Tax from 3.4% to 3.5%. Curious to see if you guys have any other ideas to make Indiana more business friendly and cut Government Waste.

A Lake County Republican lawmaker wants to rearrange Marion County local government in an amendment that, if enacted, could lead to Democrats losing the majority on the City-County Council.

Sen. Sue Landske, R-Cedar Lake, has filed an amendment that would eliminate the four at-large council districts in Marion County. Democrats won all four of the at-large seats, which gave them a 16-13 majority on the council after the November municipal elections.

Without those, Republicans would hold a 13-12 majority.

Under Landske's amendment to Senate Bill 110, the council would drop from 29 to 25 members in January 2016, affecting the November 2015 ballot.