No 1080p games for PS3 this year, predicts Microsoft exec

Throwing cold water on Sony's talk of 1080p output for its PlayStation 3 console, Microsoft's Andre Vrignaud has warned consumers that the company's claims are nothing but hype.

In a post on his blog, Vrignaud - who is director of technical strategy for Xbox Live - argues that developers looking to create a game for the next generation consoles will be aiming for 720p in order to maximise compatibility between Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3, as well as ensuring compatibility with the majority of HD television sets.

It's funny because phony seems to have negative comments any time 360 has something new to report. I wouldn't say to much considering not many people have had hands on time with the Gaystation 3. So before you go bashing another console you may want to play the one you speak so highly of you lame azz!

Please give me links moron where does sony bash MS everytime the have something new to report.Ms is scared of sony thats why they bash any and everything about ps3.They are scared that the ps3's features are going to be popular so they bash it or copy it such as eye toy,1080p,pathetic hd dvd add on,motion sensing controller nuff said.

Put Sony and Microsoft aside for one moment and look around you at other things. 1 being the market of TV’s. HD TV’s only have 8 to 11% market penetration. What does that mean? Most people don’t even own an HD TV. The 8 to 11% most own an HD TV that’s 720p or less. So what does that tell you? Most people don’t have 1080p and don’t care about it. Let’s look at HDMI its digital yes but the reviewers of home entertainment equipment are saying most people won’t see a difference from HDMI to Component (Which is no diss on Sony but fact). Next if people have the old TV’S why do they need HDMI, it’s over kill and the TV doesn't support it. Next Blu-Ray and HD-DVD, output quality for HD not standard TV’s, so please again tell me why we need them? I think before we buy into this hype most of us need to get HD TV’s. Sony is betting that if they can push the PS3 they can push users adopting a Blu-Ray which will give Sony royalty money. Microsoft is going based on how long in the past it’s taken new Technologies to take hold in the consumer market, and around 2011 most homes will have HD TV’s because the cost will be down and the next Xbox will be out. Who knows 1080p could be old news by then. Look at all the people who got the first HD TV’s at 480p (those people paid the cost of getting a 1080p HD TV now then. Not to say they didn’t even get to view that many items in HD, so the TV was a bit of a waste.) Be smart just cause Sony says you need it doesn’t mean you do, that’s all Microsoft is saying.

All I want is a gaming system to play games. I don't want a freakin Blu-Ray drive that will only go 1-2X speed. Then you wont be able to use most of the capabilities of the system for a couple of years. I want to choose my own player and refuse to pay the enormous price to PLAY GAMES. This is not a game system, its a company trying to push its products on us and people are going to buy it "just because".

And furthermore, again: no single game (besides a demo of GT4 HD smugged up PS2 version) is running in 1080p. All in the non real HD 720p like Sony should have to state when calling 1080p only real HD

Fony Freaking Fanboys have just again been raped by Sony for paying for potential that you'll never get. Just with PS2 that would be the best graphical choice and had an emotion engine. Well Dreamcast and XBOX kicked it's but on graphics and the emotion engine only made me cry.

Marketplace,achievments, motion sensing controller a week before E3. Your right Sony is completely original. I also love all the links you've added to prove your point if you ever read any articles on this website you can clearly see Sony does the same thing I could give a rats azz who wins the silly console war I'm happy with my 360 I hope Sony does do well so the competition to makes great games exists. You need to learn to keep your co-k holster shut until you know what your talking about. Like I said jack azz your playstion 3 isn't out yet so I'll leave it at that chomo!!!!!!!

this is a dumb article. this year after the ps3 launch, there's only 1 1/2 months left until the year is over. the MS execs make it seem like it's really a terrible thing. this sounds really deperate on the MS exec side.

He's just saying his opinion what does he know about PS3 he works for microsoft. He's doing what any exec. from any other company ( including Sony) would do. You try to make your product seem better so it will sell. Desperate? I don't think so. He's just doing his job to boost up his company. You really can't blame him or Sony exec's for trying. In the end amidst all of the bs only time will tell and I think both systems will do just fine.

You little fanboys are pathedic Sony could crap on a paper plate and sell for 500 dollars and you losers would still buy it I love how Gates thinks he knows what everyone thinks. Why would I give a sh1t who sells more systems I don't make any money out of the deal I owned a Ps2 and xbox and as far as I know there both still around so you fanboys find a quiet room and go make out in there leave these Message boards to the adults.

Am I sensing a little hostility from one of the many jealous M$ fanboys?…naughty, naughty little man.

“You little fanboys are pathedic Sony could crap on a paper plate and sell for 500 dollars and you losers would still buy it”

According to your logic, if I was a “little fanboy” who would buy “crap” from a company, I would already own a 360…hahahahah because that is precisely what the machine is CRAP…hahahha

It’s OK to be jealous you LOSER!! But don’t call me a “little fanboy” because I’m a “big fanboy”..hahahha

I own all three systems now and so far the only one I continue to play is the PS2 because Sony is still supporting it with great games, and many more still to come. I feel shafted by M$ for not supporting the xbox1 after just 3+ years. This time around I’ll only be purchasing the Wii, and the PS3 because there lies the future of gaming/entertainment for this coming gen. The 360 offers NOTHING new.

PS1- CD’s - more space because it was going to benefit gaming

PS2- DVD’s - more space because it was going to benefit gaming SONY had NOTHING to gain from it.

1. CD's/DVD's weren't Sony's invention 2. CD's/DVD's were already standard when Sony started to use them in their consoles 3. All other Sony push formats have died an early death: Betamax, Minidisc, UMD 4. All Sony formats are always expensive, that's why they ALWAYS fail

HD-DVD standalone 500 Euro/dollar. BetaBluRay double, 1.000 euro/dollar. But HD-DVD has the best quality is stated in reviews.

Last gen gaming:

98% of the games 2 to 3 GB 1% 3 to 5 GB's 1% larger then 5 GB's (DL-DVD)

This time around, programming techniques have evolved. Even seen the 3D shooter of almost 100 KB? I guess not. Bigger drives won't be needed. Sony just tries to earn money for nothing.

98% 4 to 5 GB's 1% 6 to 7 GB's 1% more then 7 GB's. In case over 8.5 GB's they use 2 DL-DVD's. Done. Only with less then 1% of all games. Furthermore, BetaBluRay makes you pay for the discs while you don't need them

Expect 79, 89 up to max 100 dollar/euro per game like Sony said it could happen. And there you go, the paystation again

Every exec talks crap about other companies. Look at Sony they do it the most, how the next gen starts with them, how the ps3 is "cheap" and how they are 4D. It just that the ps3 fans beleive every work that they say.

all execs like to talk up their product (and why wouldn't they, you should be confident and proud in the product you are trying to sell), but not all execs downplay the competition. I find that that is something that is common place in the U.S. and less common elsewhere (did a paper on that for a marketing class at college). But in regards to Sony and MS, yeah, they both talk alot of sh!t. It just seems to me that MS is alot more responsive/defensive and that goes all the way back to the unveiling of the PS3 specs at E3 05 (where as everyone knows, MS rushed to release a "side-by-side" comparison of the 360 and PS3 that was slanted to heavily favor the 360). Yeah Sony talked crap about MS's marketing decisions, but they have never directly talked sh!t about the 360's capabilities. Since both consoles are pretty simliar, that'd be like someone talking crap about how another person gets around by using those primitive things called legs and feet.

As a techie, I can’t help but laugh at statements and comparison sheets that broadly note that the “PS3 = 1080p and the 360 = 720p”. You see, one of the many benefits of the Xenos GPU’s 10mb of embedded D-RAM is that it gives the 360 a fill rate of over 16 gigasamples per second using 4 x MS - Anti Aliasing at 720p. The catch here though; is that unlike the RSX, or any other traditional PC GPU; the Xenos GPU can achieve this with absolutely NO PERFORMANCE LOSS! Unfortunately, the same cannot be said for the lowly PS3’s RSX…

The biggest enemy to graphics in the next-generation is resolution and (without going into the specifics of an entire console comparison) …developers for the PS3 will basically be forced to output at 720p – if they want to even have a hope in hell of matching the graphically fidelity of the 360.

Furthermore, 99% of all HD-TV’s that have been sold to date; cannot accept 1080p signals – even though they might claim to be able to display at a 1080p resolution. These “1080p” televisions essentially will take in a 1080i signal at 60 frames per second and “up convert” to 1080p by displaying all of the lines at once, at 30 frames per second. Obviously, HD-TV’s that can accept 1080p signals have (just recently) arrived on the market but unless you want a 70” – plus TV; or you are sitting way too close to your existing 720p HD-TV; the difference is really fairly minimal. Personally, I sit far enough back from my 52” HD-TV (i.e. the recommended distance) that I can honestly say that 1080p wouldn’t be worth the cost. Any ways, even if you do prefer a 1080p and are one of those people that claim that “there is such a big difference” – well do I have a shocker for you!

I guarantee you that a 720p signal with 4 x MSAA looks 100% better than a 1080p signal without any anti-aliasing at all – especially on BIG SCREEN HD-TV’s! On computers that statement doesn’t really hold true but on a big screen TV; it most certainly does and Microsoft knew this. So in the process of limiting game output on the 360 to 720p – you were also being essentially given a guarantee that: 1) there would be a minimum of 4 x MSAA; and 2) that developers wouldn’t be wasting unnecessary resources and sacrificing the graphical fidelity of the game.

Sony on the other hand; didn’t have the same luxury as Microsoft with their vastly inferior RSX GPU – so rather than doing nothing they decided that they really had nothing to lose by leaving it up to the developers to decide whether or not they output at 1080p. Meanwhile, their spinsters could take it and claim that the PS3 is more powerful than the 360 because obviously the number 1080 is greater than 720. A complete joke when you consider that most PS3 games will be in 720p and there is no guarantee if there will be any anti-aliasing at all!

At any rate, next time you see a “comparison sheet” that says “360 = 720p and Ps3 = 1080p” – you too can laugh at how unrepresentative that is to the actual situation and laugh at Sony fan boys claiming that that is proof that their console is more powerful. The lesson here is don’t take everything at face value!

what are the RSX's specs again? I must have missed the article that went into detail about the final specs for the RSX and its capabilities. I would be most obliged if you could give me a link so that I may do a little research of my own. Thank you in advance.

bla bla bla. why do the ps3 games have not so many jaggies than the xbox360 games ? because the ps3 will handle anti-alising better than the xbox360. you know nothing about the ps3 and its specs, but you know that the screens have not so many jaggies than the xbox360 games. lol

Man he just gave lots of information and still talking about nothing you Sony fanboys. No jaggies in PS3 gameplay? Well urm what did we actually see then? Not so much huh?

Genji 2. Well yeah running PS2 games won't take so much of the PS3 hardware I guess. Warhawk? Same story, PS2 game only nice water, Motorstorm textures low res seen on the mountains. The N64 sparks look really sh!t.

Then the titles Sony fanboys are screaming about: Resistance. Man it couldn't even stand in the light of Gears of War. There you also see the problems of having no 4 x FSAA. For real. The [email protected] is going down on it's 'paper specs'. In realtime it stinks big time. TFLOPS, 1080p, 2 x HDMI, 3 x Gigabit ethernet ports, CGI shown as ingame. Lies not worth anything

Your right,GameTime, It seems MS has some kind of internal agenda to downplay and malign the PS3 as much as they can before it launches, because they know sony has their balls in a salad shooter.Its kind of funny because I heard news that MS eventually plans on releasing a 1080p cable for the 360 down the line.So now their downplaying it and even going as far as to call it "meaningless" but when 1080p is compatible with the 360 (if it ever happens)THEN they will have nothing but positive and optimistic comments about it.God,MS seriously pisses me off sometimes. If they had any involvement with the blu-ray technology, it would be the same story.

Microsoft's long-standing motto: If we don't have it,it sucks...until we can get our hands on it.

Microsoft has, from day one, said "choice." Later, they will release a 1080p cable so if you choose to buy an expensive, cutting-edge HD-TV (which less that 10% of the people buying a new game system have) you can dispay at that resolution-- but it is up to you. Same with the camera, the HD DVD drive, the 2-sku launch, etc. They let the consumer decide; Sony tries to decide for you. They copy MS and Nintendo's ideas, then claim these companies are copying them. Bullsh1t. The 360 came out a year ago, and at the time Sony said "2 sku's just confuse the consumer, we would never do that." Oh, really. The fact is that the PS3 is a trojan horse designed to help get crappy blu-ray players into people's homes, because they realize otherwise their inferior technology at twice the price will fail, just like Betamax, Minidisc, UMD, etc.

MS's giving people the option to buy the 1080p cable for the few that wan't and can afford the TV's that can surrport it down the road. Sony's selling 1080p in the hope rich people will buy it and is also hoping a large number of people will buy it PS3 not really understanding whats involved but are still tricked from the 1080p as it is the latest thing and who can resist that. It's the same thing with the masses waiting to buy an HDTV untill there more HD channels and for the tech to come down in price.

that the blu-ray disc looks like a psp game disc? its almost indentical but blue, u can see from the pic.

i hope it is like dat because my games wont scratch like my ps games and x-box games. they should do it like the psp because games will almost never get scratched. by the way the ps3 is worth the price and works out cheaper in the long term, than the 360.

I know people(friends) that would never buy an add-on or use came console's to watch movies(won't be as good as an standalone) and could care less about more storage(no time) for gaming some have just started families (have a life)some can save money and buy the parts(game player) they need.

You a funny little man, if the demand for 1080p was an issue the problem could be solved in no time(no ones developing games in 1080p). Why add to cost when no one will use it. 360 has universal ports in the back it doesn't have deticated ports asigned to any one kind of divice, fool. STFU and GTF out of here.

read most of the technical reviews on 1080p, they all since that in is little to no difference between 1080i and 1080p, unless you are watching it on a tv larger than 60 inches, and from a distance of less than 8 ft.

go read for yourself, google helps:). there are many good things to argue about when it comes to the 360 and ps3, but 1080p vs 1080i/720p is not one of them.

Nobody knows the RSX specs. It was 1.8 Tflops at 550 mhz. Xbox360 has 1Tflop with the CPU and GPU combined. That's about all we know. Out of all the PS3 gameplay videos I've watched only Full Auto 2 and Coded Arms have aliasing, and even then it's not very noticeable, so I dunno where all the hate's coming from. Blaming Sony for the talent, or lack thereof, of 3rd party developers is like blaiming Dell for software that they never had a hand in creating. Yell at the developers for their shortcomings; Sony's made a hell of a system.

1080p isn't a requirement. It's totally optional and I don't understand why Microsoft thinks that talking crap about a rival system's 1080p capabilities will somehow make their system look better. It's been 9 months since launch, so you'd think they'd be paying more attention to their own product by now. Too bad for them. The more they talk the more publicity Sony recieves, and thus the more consumers learn about the advantages Sony's system has.

The only thing other than a lump of coal MS will recieve this christmas is bills for all the money they owe due to there looses on the 360 because no one is buying it and everyone is buying the PS3, go on take your GOW game and scrat! PS3 is the future, should be sweet!

and more and more. 360 has double the number of exclusives then the PSZero has. More innovative, better and new exclusives around. This Christmas there is not ONE game that can answer the thing that 360 brings. 160 games this Christmas and Gears of War and Forza 2 on the demopods against... Warhawk? We've just seen that one! PS2! Genji 2? Well yeah let's have a laugh about the giant enemy crab then!

y are they talking [email protected]#$ about ps3? because they know ps3 will kill 306 and its game they know nobody like 360 "yea just in u.s.a." see sony know what they are doing on ps3 and MS is talking [email protected]#4 cause they know ps3 will be better than 360. so ps3 fans please don't get mad about what MS said about ps3 cause they are scared. "This is not a joke" please 360 fans do not come here and talk about ps3 cause ya cant say [email protected]#4 about ps3 cause look at MS, there talking [email protected]#4 about ps3 cause they know ps3 will be better than 360. i was a MS fan but when i got a xbox and halo one i was waiting for good games and i got mad, then i got a ps2 and i was so happy, i'm getting a ps3, cause ps3 will have good games and i'm not getting 360 right now cause 360 dosen't have good games, they got the same problem they had on xbox 1. so MS do me a favor kill yourself cause i'm not listen to u.

oh my god i was loughing so hard. i cant belive it MS is scareeeeeeeeeddddddddd. they are trying to make us go out and buy a 360 before ps3 came out. i just cant belive it they are scared. NOVEMBER IS COMING.

My teacher his 29 years old and his waiting for a ps3, he said ps3 will be better than 360 and his american! he wants a blu-ray so his getting a ps3, oh 360 fans ya said nobody need a blu-ray so nobody is getting a ps3 even teachers like ps3. i aint lying he just told me this morning. ps3 fans are waiting for the king to come out and we gonna play good games while 360 fans are waiting for gears of war 360's only hope. that's the truth.

how many fanboys in here has 1080p set? You fanboys swear you need it to enjoy a game. MS is right it would be stupid to come out with 1080p games when just 20% percent of users here in the us have HDTV. Right now only wealthy people can afford them new 1080p sets, but then again not a whole lot difference from 1080i.(if any with a 34inch or less)

You sonyfanboys "orgasm" everytime you read an article about an aspect of PS3 thats "usesless".....Just plain fools....

Example:

SonyFANBOYS are the equvillant to "ESKIMOS" while "SONY" sells them "ICE". They will certainly experience buyer’s remorse when reality sets in.