nm, I got it. so I now have what I want a 20 player server with 5 zbots and 5 joebots. I know I should say 5 joebot bots and so on, but whatever. This is a very interesting mix. needless to say they are alot more unpredictable since joebot has 3 different moods and zbot has an "allow_rogues" option witch allows the bots to run and gun randomly. If you are running a linux server and would like me to help you get these two bots going, just let me know. zibbley@yahoo.com 205.218.67.54:27015 www.ripklan.com