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Why I'm Supporting Tulsi

Submitted by Lookout on Thu, 02/21/2019 - 9:56am

I want to preface this piece with the notion that I find politics in general ineffective in the US. What the majority of the citizens want is NOT reflected in the policies of this nation. Our government is owned and controlled by the multi-national corporations and their will is abetted by the mafia branch of the government, the CIA (et al). Secondly, we face the existential threat of rapid impending climate disaster and extinction, the future shock of which probably makes politics moot. That said, when looking at next years primary season, I think Tulsi is a better candidate than Bernie. Here's why...

Really it boils down to foreign policy. Consider the response of Tulsi and Bernie to the US coup in Venezuela...

Tulsi Gabbard
‏Verified account @TulsiGabbard

The US needs to stop using our military for regime change & stop intervening in Venezuela’s military. Throughout history, US-led regime change has been waged in the name of humanitarianism, but has resulted in more suffering, destruction & lives lost. #HandsOffVenezuela

Bernie posted 3 tweets

The Maduro government has waged a violent crackdown on Venezuelan civil society, violated the constitution by dissolving the National Assembly and was re-elected last year in an election many observers said was fraudulent. The economy is a disaster and millions are migrating. 1/3

The United States should support the rule of law, fair elections and self-determination for the Venezuelan people. We must condemn the use of violence against unarmed protesters and the suppression of dissent. 2/3

But we must learn the lessons of the past and not be in the business of regime change or supporting coups—as we have in Chile, Guatemala, Brazil & the DR. The US has a long history of inappropriately intervening in Latin American nations; we must not go down that road again. 3/3

He is incorrect about several things. Abby Martin reported from the streets of Venezuela and documented the violence was primarily from the US funded opposition. They literally were burning Chavistas. The election was not fraudulent. The opposition largely declined to participate, and instead attacked polling places dominated by Chavistas. The economic collapse in the country is due primarily to our illegal sanctions. The third tweet is better, but the sequence shows a lack of understanding of the situation.

Now I'm not going to run down Bernie. I know many of you support him and I'm certain he stands a better chance at the nomination than Tulsi. Many people vote strategically. In 2016 many of my friends voted for the $hill rather than Bernie because they thought she had a better chance to win in the general.

I feel similar to Caitlin about a possible Sanders presidency....

While Bernie might not start any new hot wars or engage in the kind of obscene regime change interventionism we’re seeing from Trump in Venezuela, under a President Sanders we can expect to see a continued escalation of the world-threatening cold war against Russia, continued starvation sanctions against nations which fail to comply with the demands of the US empire, continued military expansionism around the world, and very little pushback against the depraved agendas of military and intelligence agencies. We can expect to see him play right along with the establishment narrative if the political/media class decides that Assad is gassing civilians and needs a dose of Tomahawk missiles, and we can probably expect him to facilitate the persecution of Julian Assange as well.

So what's so great about Tulsi. Well she has issues too. Neither she nor Bernie are calling out Israel. As we saw with Ilhan last week...just mention Israel and they go off the rails. More evidence of the dysfunctional nature the US government, media, corporate stranglehold. However she is a strong anti-interventionist. On Cross-Talk yesterday they spent the half hour discussing Tulsi as the "Peace Candidate". (25 min)

Tulsi isn't just against regime change war (although that is what arouses most of the ire against her). She has introduced and supported many progressive policies. Here's a nice clip...What does Tulsi stand for? (12 min)

You may have noticed that the MSM rarely even mentions her as a candidate. They exclude her in many polls. The way in which they sideline her makes me think she better represents the people than the corporations.

Here in Alabama the general election will go to Trump. However, the primary does provide an opportunity to have some effect. None the less keeping in mind Tim's comment in the clip above, in 2016 the outcome of the Alabama dim primary differed by 18 points from the exit polls (in the $hill's favor). So it is obvious the momentum is for Bernie, but my preferred candidate is Tulsi.

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I think Bernie is most electable and can bury Trump. He appeals to all stripe of people. I like that his focus is on economic populism and not social justice where they are pulling him now. If they pull him too far into the "liberal" weeds, he will lose his broad appeal.

I like Tulsi's anti-war positions better than Bernies. I don't think she is able to beat Trump. In the group that formed on Twitter to beat Kos' poll, the animosity for Tulsi is shocking. It is all the old canards: homophobe, anti-Muslim, blah, blah, blah. All of it was very long ago.

I like Warren on the money. She really knows her stuff when it comes to banks and billionaires and the millions of ways they rip people off. I don't think she can beat Trump, and it is the same old BS about used to be a Republican and the so-called phony claim to being native American.

I would like to see Warren and Tulsi in a Bernie cabinet. Some of the Bernie crowd won't even consider Tulsi for SoS. I feel as if I'm surrounded by a bunch of stupid people who are mired in minutia to such a degree that they shouldn't be allowed to play with scissors without adult supervision. When I look at the life and death damage done to Americans by Obama and his predecessors, I can't believe not being native American enough is some huge sin.

This clip is about 17 minutes. Kyle pretty well sums up what's important. It is the policies and the track record to support that the person will actually do more than a promise to implement them. Obama truly did destroy what was left of the parties.

...and I do think he has the best chance at the nomination. However, I'm a product of the peace movement and feel drawn to someone putting that out front.

Warren is already back pedaling on medicare 4 all, failed to support Bernie when it might have made a difference, and was silent on Standing Rock. Her foreign policy is Milquetoast too. Tulsi went to standing rock.

If Tulsi was competitive I think she would suffer RFK's fate. She's calling out the CIA.

So the plan is to keep her off the debate stage. I think she needs 65,000 separate donations and so many points in polls of the DNC's choice. She needs to make it to the debates if nothing else.

I think Bernie is most electable and can bury Trump. He appeals to all stripe of people. I like that his focus is on economic populism and not social justice where they are pulling him now. If they pull him too far into the "liberal" weeds, he will lose his broad appeal.

I like Tulsi's anti-war positions better than Bernies. I don't think she is able to beat Trump. In the group that formed on Twitter to beat Kos' poll, the animosity for Tulsi is shocking. It is all the old canards: homophobe, anti-Muslim, blah, blah, blah. All of it was very long ago.

I like Warren on the money. She really knows her stuff when it comes to banks and billionaires and the millions of ways they rip people off. I don't think she can beat Trump, and it is the same old BS about used to be a Republican and the so-called phony claim to being native American.

I would like to see Warren and Tulsi in a Bernie cabinet. Some of the Bernie crowd won't even consider Tulsi for SoS. I feel as if I'm surrounded by a bunch of stupid people who are mired in minutia to such a degree that they shouldn't be allowed to play with scissors without adult supervision. When I look at the life and death damage done to Americans by Obama and his predecessors, I can't believe not being native American enough is some huge sin.

This clip is about 17 minutes. Kyle pretty well sums up what's important. It is the policies and the track record to support that the person will actually do more than a promise to implement them. Obama truly did destroy what was left of the parties.

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Do you want to see Tulsi on the debate stage? The DNC wants to see 65k unique donors for a candidate to qualify to for debates―there is only 1 person who can get her on that debate stage: YOU. If you haven't donated yet, we need your help. Link: https://t.co/VGmmimmYir

...and I do think he has the best chance at the nomination. However, I'm a product of the peace movement and feel drawn to someone putting that out front.

Warren is already back pedaling on medicare 4 all, failed to support Bernie when it might have made a difference, and was silent on Standing Rock. Her foreign policy is Milquetoast too. Tulsi went to standing rock.

If Tulsi was competitive I think she would suffer RFK's fate. She's calling out the CIA.

So the plan is to keep her off the debate stage. I think she needs 65,000 separate donations and so many points in polls of the DNC's choice. She needs to make it to the debates if nothing else.

Do you want to see Tulsi on the debate stage? The DNC wants to see 65k unique donors for a candidate to qualify to for debates―there is only 1 person who can get her on that debate stage: YOU. If you haven't donated yet, we need your help. Link: https://t.co/VGmmimmYir

Thank you so much for the mailing address for donations--I couldn't find it on her website. For some reason ActBlue (which I don't like anyways) would not accept my credit card number even though I tried 4 times and it works everywhere else. Now I can actually participate!

Thank you so much for the mailing address for donations--I couldn't find it on her website. For some reason ActBlue (which I don't like anyways) would not accept my credit card number even though I tried 4 times and it works everywhere else. Now I can actually participate!

Who would you make the check out to, though? I'll look around.

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“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

If the gatekeepers can't stand her message, maybe the people will respond differently. And if the people do, the gatekeepers will begin to lose their hold. The most remote chance of that is worth some pocket change.

Do you want to see Tulsi on the debate stage? The DNC wants to see 65k unique donors for a candidate to qualify to for debates―there is only 1 person who can get her on that debate stage: YOU. If you haven't donated yet, we need your help. Link: https://t.co/VGmmimmYir

Do you want to see Tulsi on the debate stage? The DNC wants to see 65k unique donors for a candidate to qualify to for debates―there is only 1 person who can get her on that debate stage: YOU. If you haven't donated yet, we need your help. Link: https://t.co/VGmmimmYir

Do you want to see Tulsi on the debate stage? The DNC wants to see 65k unique donors for a candidate to qualify to for debates―there is only 1 person who can get her on that debate stage: YOU. If you haven't donated yet, we need your help. Link: https://t.co/VGmmimmYir

the original contribution to another pot. They said no. The only money they take is the the money to donate to them when you contribute. I could be wrong, but when you click donate on Bernie's official site, it takes you to act blue.

Yet another Bay Area rentier taking a cut of every transaction.huh Of course every contract is probably different, and comes with its own Non-Disclosure Agreement. silicon valley proprietary crapification

6,080,000 ActBlue Express users and counting…

We’re the go-to place for progressive fundraising, and donors love to store their information with us because they can give to all their favorite candidates and organizations with just a single click. We call these donors ActBlue Express users, and they’re exclusive to ActBlue.

UniParty employment for the win.

P.S. Thanks for the comment with the Post Office address for sending paper checks. You never know who you reach on the Internets, could be a few, could be a few million. good luck

Yet another Bay Area rentier taking a cut of every transaction.huh Of course every contract is probably different, and comes with its own Non-Disclosure Agreement. silicon valley proprietary crapification

6,080,000 ActBlue Express users and counting…

We’re the go-to place for progressive fundraising, and donors love to store their information with us because they can give to all their favorite candidates and organizations with just a single click. We call these donors ActBlue Express users, and they’re exclusive to ActBlue.

UniParty employment for the win.

P.S. Thanks for the comment with the Post Office address for sending paper checks. You never know who you reach on the Internets, could be a few, could be a few million. good luck

the original contribution to another pot. They said no. The only money they take is the the money to donate to them when you contribute. I could be wrong, but when you click donate on Bernie's official site, it takes you to act blue.

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“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

Yet another Bay Area rentier taking a cut of every transaction.huh Of course every contract is probably different, and comes with its own Non-Disclosure Agreement. silicon valley proprietary crapification

6,080,000 ActBlue Express users and counting…

We’re the go-to place for progressive fundraising, and donors love to store their information with us because they can give to all their favorite candidates and organizations with just a single click. We call these donors ActBlue Express users, and they’re exclusive to ActBlue.

UniParty employment for the win.

P.S. Thanks for the comment with the Post Office address for sending paper checks. You never know who you reach on the Internets, could be a few, could be a few million. good luck

@dkmich
sorry I was so grouchy in my other comment, even programmers have to eat. 3%+ is pretty standard financial transaction fee, too bad Wall Street doesn't pay it in tax on every one of their txns. huh

@dkmich
she could get the 65K separate donations and still fail the (rigged) DNC polling threshold. I'll give a buck, but the DNC controls the results, as we learned the last go around. Call me skeptical.

Do you want to see Tulsi on the debate stage? The DNC wants to see 65k unique donors for a candidate to qualify to for debates―there is only 1 person who can get her on that debate stage: YOU. If you haven't donated yet, we need your help. Link: https://t.co/VGmmimmYir

@QMS
many tries without success. maybe it doesn't bother for a buck? this what our system is like. frustrating

#1.1.1
she could get the 65K separate donations and still fail the (rigged) DNC polling threshold. I'll give a buck, but the DNC controls the results, as we learned the last go around. Call me skeptical.

Do you want to see Tulsi on the debate stage? The DNC wants to see 65k unique donors for a candidate to qualify to for debates―there is only 1 person who can get her on that debate stage: YOU. If you haven't donated yet, we need your help. Link: https://t.co/VGmmimmYir

Do you want to see Tulsi on the debate stage? The DNC wants to see 65k unique donors for a candidate to qualify to for debates―there is only 1 person who can get her on that debate stage: YOU. If you haven't donated yet, we need your help. Link: https://t.co/VGmmimmYir

...and I do think he has the best chance at the nomination. However, I'm a product of the peace movement and feel drawn to someone putting that out front.

Warren is already back pedaling on medicare 4 all, failed to support Bernie when it might have made a difference, and was silent on Standing Rock. Her foreign policy is Milquetoast too. Tulsi went to standing rock.

If Tulsi was competitive I think she would suffer RFK's fate. She's calling out the CIA.

So the plan is to keep her off the debate stage. I think she needs 65,000 separate donations and so many points in polls of the DNC's choice. She needs to make it to the debates if nothing else.

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@UntimelyRippd
I sent a donation to Bernie and one to Tulsi because they are the only ones who are genuine. The worries about Bernie on foreign policy are legitimate but Tulsi takes care of that. The two together would give us a complete candidate who could maybe reverse the suicidal course that the military-industrial complex has us on now. We certainly need an ethical adult in the race.

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gabbard in the early debates (assuming there will be any), the other female candidates will implode.

if she actually got the nomination, i think she would win running away.

if sanders got the nomination, he would be under enormous pressure to select a right wing neolib for the veep, but if he recruited gabbard instead, i think the result would be a dem tsunami.

the ideal (unbeatable - except for meddling) ticket. Caitlin claims it can't happen, but hey we can hope.

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I sent a donation to Bernie and one to Tulsi because they are the only ones who are genuine. The worries about Bernie on foreign policy are legitimate but Tulsi takes care of that. The two together would give us a complete candidate who could maybe reverse the suicidal course that the military-industrial complex has us on now. We certainly need an ethical adult in the race.

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“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

...and I do think he has the best chance at the nomination. However, I'm a product of the peace movement and feel drawn to someone putting that out front.

Warren is already back pedaling on medicare 4 all, failed to support Bernie when it might have made a difference, and was silent on Standing Rock. Her foreign policy is Milquetoast too. Tulsi went to standing rock.

If Tulsi was competitive I think she would suffer RFK's fate. She's calling out the CIA.

So the plan is to keep her off the debate stage. I think she needs 65,000 separate donations and so many points in polls of the DNC's choice. She needs to make it to the debates if nothing else.

@Lookout
I think maybe the last time around he did what he had to do in order to maintain his position. But who knows really? All I can hope is that if, (should I say when?) they screw him over again, he'll speak out this time....

he would win on the first ballot before the supers get to select a corporatist, and I'll hope that with you.

#1.1.3.1 I think maybe the last time around he did what he had to do in order to maintain his position. But who knows really? All I can hope is that if, (should I say when?) they screw him over again, he'll speak out this time....

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@Lookout
Hopefully, Sanders has gamed out the nomination process this time for a Plan B when the DNC manages to install their preferred candidate again. If he goes third-party, not only does he beat Trump, but he also destroys the Democrats as a national institution permanently.

The issue is getting a third party on the ballot in all 50 states in time.

#1.1.3.1
Hopefully, Sanders has gamed out the nomination process this time for a Plan B when the DNC manages to install their preferred candidate again. If he goes third-party, not only does he beat Trump, but he also destroys the Democrats as a national institution permanently.

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@Lookout@Lookout@Lookout
and he has time and resources. Notice he hasn’t declared which party’s nomination he’s running for? Make the Dems squander their resources trying to stop him and then hop on the horse he already had saddled up and waiting.

I just read in a different thread that Bernie hired someone from Nancy Pelosi's camp to run his campaign.

Kinda speaks for itself.

As a former supporter, I find myself oddly more pissed about this than I was about 2016. I'm not going to vote for a duopoly candidate no matter what, but it still feels like another betrayal.

I truly wish we could all figure out a way to work together to change this shitty system of ours rather than shrug and say, "Well, this is the best we can do."

I mean, geez, seven PMs just up and walked out on Teresa May and declared themselves as a new party! Why can't our politicians do something like that?

(I know this is a facile question).

Just my opinion.

#1.1.3.1
Hopefully, Sanders has gamed out the nomination process this time for a Plan B when the DNC manages to install their preferred candidate again. If he goes third-party, not only does he beat Trump, but he also destroys the Democrats as a national institution permanently.

@Shahryar
The 7 Labour leavers are Blairite neolibs who are trying to weaken Corbyn. They have been joined by three Tory neolibs. All want to return to the halcyon days of neoliberalism--all of Europe and most of the world uniting to funnel vast quantities of money into the bank accounts of the already obscenely wealthy, while invading selected countries just to keep the security complex wealthy.--kind of like diehard Hillary supporters.

@Roy Blakeley
I told you it was facile, and I didn't even have my facts straight.

Consider me schooled.

#1.1.3.1.2.2.1 The 7 Labour leavers are Blairite neolibs who are trying to weaken Corbyn. They have been joined by three Tory neolibs. All want to return to the halcyon days of neoliberalism--all of Europe and most of the world uniting to funnel vast quantities of money into the bank accounts of the already obscenely wealthy, while invading selected countries just to keep the security complex wealthy.--kind of like diehard Hillary supporters.

@Eagles92
wait, I thought you had a valid question going, Corbyn is straw. Why shouldn't Bernie weaken the Ds? Why shouldn't Tulsi weaken the Ds? The whole point is to crush the big club UniParty. No one answered your Pelosi rumor, who are Bernie's campaign advisors, surrogates, etc.? I don't know and I hate digging for info like that, it should be right up front. "Not for Billionaires" is so '16. Be transparent or get the F out, that's my voter reality. The Law is a cluster f-bomb on purpose, everything passed this millennium. Repeal repeal repeal. No forward until reverse gets fixed. heh Overton stretch

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#1.1.3.1.2.2.1.1 I told you it was facile, and I didn't even have my facts straight.

And, for diversity's sake, Weaver will not serve as his campaign manager (he's Caucasian). Instead, he will serve as a senior campaign 'advisor.' Think I saw someone post (here) that one of Pelosi's staffers is taking that slot--which I didn't know.

(Frankly, identity politics aside, it's no loss. Weaver was a centrist Dem, at best, as illustrated by the interview that I posted of him with the old team of 'now disgraced' Mark Halperin and John Heilemann of Bloomberg News. Don't know anything about Pelosi's Guy.)

(CNN) Sen. Bernie Sanders plans to sign a party pledge affirming that he will run for president as a Democrat in 2020 and serve as one if elected, senior campaign adviser Jeff Weaver told CNN on Wednesday.

The Democratic National Committee said on Tuesday that it planned to meet in the coming week with the presidential primary campaigns and distribute a form to the candidates, who under bylaws agreed on last August will be required "to affirm in writing" that they "are a member of the Democratic Party, will accept the Democratic nomination" and "will run and serve as a member of the Democratic Party."

Blue Onyx

“If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die, I want to go where they went.”~~Will Rogers, Actor & Social Commentator

#1.1.3.1
Hopefully, Sanders has gamed out the nomination process this time for a Plan B when the DNC manages to install their preferred candidate again. If he goes third-party, not only does he beat Trump, but he also destroys the Democrats as a national institution permanently.

And, for diversity's sake, Weaver will not serve as his campaign manager (he's Caucasian). Instead, he will serve as a senior campaign 'advisor.' Think I saw someone post (here) that one of Pelosi's staffers is taking that slot--which I didn't know.

(Frankly, identity politics aside, it's no loss. Weaver was a centrist Dem, at best, as illustrated by the interview that I posted of him with the old team of 'now disgraced' Mark Halperin and John Heilemann of Bloomberg News. Don't know anything about Pelosi's Guy.)

(CNN) Sen. Bernie Sanders plans to sign a party pledge affirming that he will run for president as a Democrat in 2020 and serve as one if elected, senior campaign adviser Jeff Weaver told CNN on Wednesday.

The Democratic National Committee said on Tuesday that it planned to meet in the coming week with the presidential primary campaigns and distribute a form to the candidates, who under bylaws agreed on last August will be required "to affirm in writing" that they "are a member of the Democratic Party, will accept the Democratic nomination" and "will run and serve as a member of the Democratic Party."

Blue Onyx

“If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die, I want to go where they went.”~~Will Rogers, Actor & Social Commentator

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@Lookout
who allowed Bernie's campaign to be infiltrated by Shillary and Deep State operatives, including one from Britain? And, BTW, when are American leftists going to get over the fixation with any twit with a Brit. accent?

[Ro] Khanna, who was one of only nine Democratic House members to endorse Sanders over Hillary Clinton in 2016, was named Thursday as one of the national co-chairs of the senator’s run for the 2020 Democratic nomination. Joining him are former Ohio state Sen. Nina Turner; Carmen Yulín Cruz, mayor of San Juan, Puerto Rico; and Ben Cohen, co-founder of Ben & Jerry’s ice cream.

Cohen, of course, is an old friend; Nina was there in 2016; Khanna was a supporter then as well; and Cruz is probably the best catch of all, someone the Republicans will dismiss at their peril.

And, for diversity's sake, Weaver will not serve as his campaign manager (he's Caucasian). Instead, he will serve as a senior campaign 'advisor.' Think I saw someone post (here) that one of Pelosi's staffers is taking that slot--which I didn't know.

(Frankly, identity politics aside, it's no loss. Weaver was a centrist Dem, at best, as illustrated by the interview that I posted of him with the old team of 'now disgraced' Mark Halperin and John Heilemann of Bloomberg News. Don't know anything about Pelosi's Guy.)

(CNN) Sen. Bernie Sanders plans to sign a party pledge affirming that he will run for president as a Democrat in 2020 and serve as one if elected, senior campaign adviser Jeff Weaver told CNN on Wednesday.

The Democratic National Committee said on Tuesday that it planned to meet in the coming week with the presidential primary campaigns and distribute a form to the candidates, who under bylaws agreed on last August will be required "to affirm in writing" that they "are a member of the Democratic Party, will accept the Democratic nomination" and "will run and serve as a member of the Democratic Party."

Blue Onyx

“If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die, I want to go where they went.”~~Will Rogers, Actor & Social Commentator

[Ro] Khanna, who was one of only nine Democratic House members to endorse Sanders over Hillary Clinton in 2016, was named Thursday as one of the national co-chairs of the senator’s run for the 2020 Democratic nomination. Joining him are former Ohio state Sen. Nina Turner; Carmen Yulín Cruz, mayor of San Juan, Puerto Rico; and Ben Cohen, co-founder of Ben & Jerry’s ice cream.

Cohen, of course, is an old friend; Nina was there in 2016; Khanna was a supporter then as well; and Cruz is probably the best catch of all, someone the Republicans will dismiss at their peril.

They wanted someone who would push Bernie harder to do what he doesn't want to do like maybe give a care about those damn emails. They want Bernie to be a lot more aggressive against his primary opponents from what I read. And while they're at it, they'll use this as an opportunity to push "diversity".

And, for diversity's sake, Weaver will not serve as his campaign manager (he's Caucasian). Instead, he will serve as a senior campaign 'advisor.' Think I saw someone post (here) that one of Pelosi's staffers is taking that slot--which I didn't know.

(Frankly, identity politics aside, it's no loss. Weaver was a centrist Dem, at best, as illustrated by the interview that I posted of him with the old team of 'now disgraced' Mark Halperin and John Heilemann of Bloomberg News. Don't know anything about Pelosi's Guy.)

(CNN) Sen. Bernie Sanders plans to sign a party pledge affirming that he will run for president as a Democrat in 2020 and serve as one if elected, senior campaign adviser Jeff Weaver told CNN on Wednesday.

The Democratic National Committee said on Tuesday that it planned to meet in the coming week with the presidential primary campaigns and distribute a form to the candidates, who under bylaws agreed on last August will be required "to affirm in writing" that they "are a member of the Democratic Party, will accept the Democratic nomination" and "will run and serve as a member of the Democratic Party."

Blue Onyx

“If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die, I want to go where they went.”~~Will Rogers, Actor & Social Commentator

María Urbina, national policy director for the progressive group Indivisible, said that after years of being pushed by activists, the Democratic Party was getting closer to applying its liberal values to racial equality. Policies like reparations or “baby bonds” that seek to close the racial wealth gap, she said, should be viewed similarly to idealistic programs that have been embraced by Democrats seeking the presidential nomination, including the Green New Deal and “Medicare for all.”

“We want folks who are being ambitious, not just working within the margins and the contours of what we had before, but sort of reimagining things on our own terms and being really aspirational,” Ms. Urbina said.

Sandy Darity, a Duke University professor who is a leading scholar on reparations and the racial wealth gap, said he believes more black Americans may come to see reparations as a defining issue for their support.

This is exactly the line that the (so-called liberal) MSM is has been pushing since the midterms. It's one of their main jabs against Bernie, and his policy stances. So, it's my 'guess' that Weaver might be correct--Bernie is trying to immunize himself against charges that he doesn't garner heavy support from the AA Community. What will be interesting, is to see how far he and his campaign allow the MSM to push them (along these lines).

Blue Onyx

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They wanted someone who would push Bernie harder to do what he doesn't want to do like maybe give a care about those damn emails. They want Bernie to be a lot more aggressive against his primary opponents from what I read. And while they're at it, they'll use this as an opportunity to push "diversity".

#1.1.3.1
Hopefully, Sanders has gamed out the nomination process this time for a Plan B when the DNC manages to install their preferred candidate again. If he goes third-party, not only does he beat Trump, but he also destroys the Democrats as a national institution permanently.

@The Voice In the Wilderness
Their elaborate mythologies of Ralph Nader and "third parties." Being a Democrat today is like being a Whig in 1856, only the Whig Party was dead in 1856 and the Democrats of today are still trying to make their Whig Party work rather than splitting up into the Republican Party and the American Party, which is what the Whigs of old did in 1856.

@Cassiodorus
makes the same analogy (Dems=Whigs) as me. IIRC, they imploded because of corruption and no social purpose.

#1.1.3.1.2.4 Their elaborate mythologies of Ralph Nader and "third parties." Being a Democrat today is like being a Whig in 1856, only the Whig Party was dead in 1856 and the Democrats of today are still trying to make their Whig Party work rather than splitting up into the Republican Party and the American Party, which is what the Whigs of old did in 1856.

...and I do think he has the best chance at the nomination. However, I'm a product of the peace movement and feel drawn to someone putting that out front.

Warren is already back pedaling on medicare 4 all, failed to support Bernie when it might have made a difference, and was silent on Standing Rock. Her foreign policy is Milquetoast too. Tulsi went to standing rock.

If Tulsi was competitive I think she would suffer RFK's fate. She's calling out the CIA.

So the plan is to keep her off the debate stage. I think she needs 65,000 separate donations and so many points in polls of the DNC's choice. She needs to make it to the debates if nothing else.

@dkmich
Bernie is the only one I trust for domestic policy.
Tulsi is the only one I trust for foreign policy.
Liz is the one I most trust for taking on Wall Street (but not for much else).

I think Bernie is most electable and can bury Trump. He appeals to all stripe of people. I like that his focus is on economic populism and not social justice where they are pulling him now. If they pull him too far into the "liberal" weeds, he will lose his broad appeal.

I like Tulsi's anti-war positions better than Bernies. I don't think she is able to beat Trump. In the group that formed on Twitter to beat Kos' poll, the animosity for Tulsi is shocking. It is all the old canards: homophobe, anti-Muslim, blah, blah, blah. All of it was very long ago.

I like Warren on the money. She really knows her stuff when it comes to banks and billionaires and the millions of ways they rip people off. I don't think she can beat Trump, and it is the same old BS about used to be a Republican and the so-called phony claim to being native American.

I would like to see Warren and Tulsi in a Bernie cabinet. Some of the Bernie crowd won't even consider Tulsi for SoS. I feel as if I'm surrounded by a bunch of stupid people who are mired in minutia to such a degree that they shouldn't be allowed to play with scissors without adult supervision. When I look at the life and death damage done to Americans by Obama and his predecessors, I can't believe not being native American enough is some huge sin.

This clip is about 17 minutes. Kyle pretty well sums up what's important. It is the policies and the track record to support that the person will actually do more than a promise to implement them. Obama truly did destroy what was left of the parties.

@gjohnsit
or possibly as Secretary of the Treasury in a Sanders admin.

I love Caitlin and despise Bolton, but I will register one small disagreement with Caitlin; I am not feeling sorry for foreign officials, whomever they are, who are dumb enough to have relatives living in the USA when they are about to resist American policies. The Lord doesn't love fools.

I will mail Gabbard a check.

What is important about Bernie is coattails. Without his 2016 campaign, there would be no AOC, no Rashida Tlaib, and no one would even be mentioning the words 'Medicare for All'.

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Bernie is the only one I trust for domestic policy.
Tulsi is the only one I trust for foreign policy.
Liz is the one I most trust for taking on Wall Street (but not for much else).

I love Caitlin and despise Bolton, but I will register one small disagreement with Caitlin; I am not feeling sorry for foreign officials, whomever they are, who are dumb enough to have relatives living in the USA when they are about to resist American policies. The Lord doesn't love fools.

I will mail Gabbard a check.

What is important about Bernie is coattails. Without his 2016 campaign, there would be no AOC, no Rashida Tlaib, and no one would even be mentioning the words 'Medicare for All'.

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No one needs to be kept either place. Any strategy that depends on support from either the House or the Senate is hot air. I want people in the administration where they can impact policy directly, independently, and not what the Congress condescends to allow Bernie and his administration to do. That argument with all due respect reminds me of the sheepdogging dkos and the party always does. Just look at all the changes to policy in all of the departments/agencies the Trump administration has done. Hard to recognize any of them - not ed, ag, epa -they all reflect Trump.

I love Caitlin and despise Bolton, but I will register one small disagreement with Caitlin; I am not feeling sorry for foreign officials, whomever they are, who are dumb enough to have relatives living in the USA when they are about to resist American policies. The Lord doesn't love fools.

I will mail Gabbard a check.

What is important about Bernie is coattails. Without his 2016 campaign, there would be no AOC, no Rashida Tlaib, and no one would even be mentioning the words 'Medicare for All'.

No one needs to be kept either place. Any strategy that depends on support from either the House or the Senate is hot air. I want people in the administration where they can impact policy directly, independently, and not what the Congress condescends to allow Bernie and his administration to do. That argument with all due respect reminds me of the sheepdogging dkos and the party always does. Just look at all the changes to policy in all of the departments/agencies the Trump administration has done. Hard to recognize any of them - not ed, ag, epa -they all reflect Trump.

No one needs to be kept either place. Any strategy that depends on support from either the House or the Senate is hot air. I want people in the administration where they can impact policy directly, independently, and not what the Congress condescends to allow Bernie and his administration to do. That argument with all due respect reminds me of the sheepdogging dkos and the party always does. Just look at all the changes to policy in all of the departments/agencies the Trump administration has done. Hard to recognize any of them - not ed, ag, epa -they all reflect Trump.

the so-called Democrats for years. It is a game. Not a damn one of them doesn't believe they are above the law and the entire GD constitution. Time to quit pretending we are anything but gangs of thugs.

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But what could either do with a Republican congress otherwise. And I count the Corporacrats as Republican-lite.

Watching Kyle deconstruct his arrogant ass was very instructive. He sees clearly the poison that the elite mouthpieces pour into the discussion to cheapen the public's standards. Kyle also did a great job defending the millennials. A lot of their lives are going to be complete crap because of the shitty hand they were dealt by the greedy.

I think Bernie is most electable and can bury Trump. He appeals to all stripe of people. I like that his focus is on economic populism and not social justice where they are pulling him now. If they pull him too far into the "liberal" weeds, he will lose his broad appeal.

I like Tulsi's anti-war positions better than Bernies. I don't think she is able to beat Trump. In the group that formed on Twitter to beat Kos' poll, the animosity for Tulsi is shocking. It is all the old canards: homophobe, anti-Muslim, blah, blah, blah. All of it was very long ago.

I like Warren on the money. She really knows her stuff when it comes to banks and billionaires and the millions of ways they rip people off. I don't think she can beat Trump, and it is the same old BS about used to be a Republican and the so-called phony claim to being native American.

I would like to see Warren and Tulsi in a Bernie cabinet. Some of the Bernie crowd won't even consider Tulsi for SoS. I feel as if I'm surrounded by a bunch of stupid people who are mired in minutia to such a degree that they shouldn't be allowed to play with scissors without adult supervision. When I look at the life and death damage done to Americans by Obama and his predecessors, I can't believe not being native American enough is some huge sin.

This clip is about 17 minutes. Kyle pretty well sums up what's important. It is the policies and the track record to support that the person will actually do more than a promise to implement them. Obama truly did destroy what was left of the parties.

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Thank you for making this argument. I was supporting Tulsi until Bernie declared and was going to cancel her, but now I think I’ll let it continue for a bit.

Plus I’m a bit concerned about Bernie’s age. I’m not averse to buying some insurance.

I think Bernie is most electable and can bury Trump. He appeals to all stripe of people. I like that his focus is on economic populism and not social justice where they are pulling him now. If they pull him too far into the "liberal" weeds, he will lose his broad appeal.

I like Tulsi's anti-war positions better than Bernies. I don't think she is able to beat Trump. In the group that formed on Twitter to beat Kos' poll, the animosity for Tulsi is shocking. It is all the old canards: homophobe, anti-Muslim, blah, blah, blah. All of it was very long ago.

I like Warren on the money. She really knows her stuff when it comes to banks and billionaires and the millions of ways they rip people off. I don't think she can beat Trump, and it is the same old BS about used to be a Republican and the so-called phony claim to being native American.

I would like to see Warren and Tulsi in a Bernie cabinet. Some of the Bernie crowd won't even consider Tulsi for SoS. I feel as if I'm surrounded by a bunch of stupid people who are mired in minutia to such a degree that they shouldn't be allowed to play with scissors without adult supervision. When I look at the life and death damage done to Americans by Obama and his predecessors, I can't believe not being native American enough is some huge sin.

This clip is about 17 minutes. Kyle pretty well sums up what's important. It is the policies and the track record to support that the person will actually do more than a promise to implement them. Obama truly did destroy what was left of the parties.

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@Hawkfish
the point being that even if she doesn't win this election she should be around for a long time and will be a positive force. Plus, she will bring an important viewpoint to the debate stage and I kind of like the idea of a surfing President. Also, she really exposes the asses that use IDPol as an excuse for excluding candidates that they really don't like because of their progressive politics.

She sure seems sincere. I know we've all been fooled before. As with AOC I'm looking for actions.

No matter what it's uphill from here.

#1.4 the point being that even if she doesn't win this election she should be around for a long time and will be a positive force. Plus, she will bring an important viewpoint to the debate stage and I kind of like the idea of a surfing President. Also, she really exposes the asses that use IDPol as an excuse for excluding candidates that they really don't like because of their progressive politics.

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Only have to listen to the first two and a half minutes of this to see Sanders stance on Israel:

Foreign policy may not be Sanders' strong point, but he does disagree with regime change and has made that clear. He also is the person who submitted and got passed the Senate bill to curtail the atrocities being perpetrated on Yemen.

Is he perfect? No. Is anyone?

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Only have to listen to the first two and a half minutes of this to see Sanders stance on Israel:

Foreign policy may not be Sanders' strong point, but he does disagree with regime change and has made that clear. He also is the person who submitted and got passed the Senate bill to curtail the atrocities being perpetrated on Yemen.

Is he perfect? No. Is anyone?

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I do like her. I just feel at this time there are better places in the administration for her...like I said earlier...SoS. Other than SoS, I would like to see a Sanders/Gabbard 2020 ticket to cover both domestic and foreign issues. I would certainly support her if she won the nomination, but that happening is almost 100% unlikely.

My post was mainly to point out the fact that Sanders has spoken out about Israel (you had stated that he hadn't) and there are many interviews to show that he has.

You also implied that he called the Venezuela election fraudulent. He didn't. He said "many observers" claimed that it was fraudulent. There is a huge difference. Maduro is by no means innocent of violence, but that does not mean he should be overthrown as Sanders states.

On Venezuela because of the socialist label. Tulsi is calling them dictators too...which bothers me. I remember Bernie sending a tape to AIPAC rather than attending their conference while he was campaigning. I find it frustrating that no politician is calling out the weekly shooting of protesting Palestinians.

I do like her. I just feel at this time there are better places in the administration for her...like I said earlier...SoS. Other than SoS, I would like to see a Sanders/Gabbard 2020 ticket to cover both domestic and foreign issues. I would certainly support her if she won the nomination, but that happening is almost 100% unlikely.

My post was mainly to point out the fact that Sanders has spoken out about Israel (you had stated that he hadn't) and there are many interviews to show that he has.

You also implied that he called the Venezuela election fraudulent. He didn't. He said "many observers" claimed that it was fraudulent. There is a huge difference. Maduro is by no means innocent of violence, but that does not mean he should be overthrown as Sanders states.

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On Venezuela because of the socialist label. Tulsi is calling them dictators too...which bothers me. I remember Bernie sending a tape to AIPAC rather than attending their conference while he was campaigning. I find it frustrating that no politician is calling out the weekly shooting of protesting Palestinians.

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@WindDancer13
was one of many that monitored the election in Venezuela and called it the 'gold standard' of elections. Or maybe the widely shared report where Venezuela requested even more monitors and he needs to question his 'some say' approach and look at the sources/interests putting out that misinformation. In the meantime he has repeated every false allegation made by the 'opposition' (and most of tRump's) while the truth is very much available and I'd love to see Abby Martin interview/educate Bernie about the facts on the ground in Venezuela.

I do like her. I just feel at this time there are better places in the administration for her...like I said earlier...SoS. Other than SoS, I would like to see a Sanders/Gabbard 2020 ticket to cover both domestic and foreign issues. I would certainly support her if she won the nomination, but that happening is almost 100% unlikely.

My post was mainly to point out the fact that Sanders has spoken out about Israel (you had stated that he hadn't) and there are many interviews to show that he has.

You also implied that he called the Venezuela election fraudulent. He didn't. He said "many observers" claimed that it was fraudulent. There is a huge difference. Maduro is by no means innocent of violence, but that does not mean he should be overthrown as Sanders states.

Sure, "some" say that the elections were fraudulent. However, official observers from several different camps all call it a pretty damned clean election. In point of fact, it was way cleaner and more verifiable than any US election... AND it had outside monitors.

#2.1.1 was one of many that monitored the election in Venezuela and called it the 'gold standard' of elections. Or maybe the widely shared report where Venezuela requested even more monitors and he needs to question his 'some say' approach and look at the sources/interests putting out that misinformation. In the meantime he has repeated every false allegation made by the 'opposition' (and most of tRump's) while the truth is very much available and I'd love to see Abby Martin interview/educate Bernie about the facts on the ground in Venezuela.

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@WindDancer13@WindDancer13@WindDancer13
Norman Finkelstein on Democracy Now!
'...And the people of Gaza—it’s unusual in the world today. As the United Nations Relief and Works Agency pointed out, they said Gaza is different than all the other humanitarian crises. Why? If there is a natural disaster, like a drought, people move. If there’s a human-made disaster, like Syria, people move. Gaza is the only place on Earth where the place is unlivable and the people can’t move. They can’t leave. They’re trapped.

And then that raises, for me, what’s the fundamental question. Even the human rights organizations which haven’t been bad, even they refer to Israel’s use of excessive force. They refer to Israel’s use of disproportionate force. Implicit in that language is, Israel has the right to use proportionate force. Israel has the right to use moderate force. In fact, leaving aside the legalities and the technicalities, let’s just look at the picture raw. Israel doesn’t have the right to use any force. Two million people, half of whom are children, are trapped, caged in an unlivable space where they are, to quote Sara Roy, “slowly being poisoned.” Unless you believe that Israel has the right to poison 1 million children, it has no right to use any force against the people of Gaza. They have the right to break free from the cage Israel has created for them.

Only have to listen to the first two and a half minutes of this to see Sanders stance on Israel:

Foreign policy may not be Sanders' strong point, but he does disagree with regime change and has made that clear. He also is the person who submitted and got passed the Senate bill to curtail the atrocities being perpetrated on Yemen.

on under 30s voting for Sanders in 2016, including blacks and Latinos. I am not sure if I can find it again though.

On a side note: There was a movie, I think in the 60s or 70s, about killing off people over 30. I believe one of the people in it was Shelley Winters. While I would not recommend this as a solution (being over 30 myself), and I do not really remember the reason for the act of getting rid of older people, educating the older population as to what they are leaving for future generations is vital and would be a good issue for younger (as well as informed older) people to address.

The Fix
More young people voted for Bernie Sanders than Trump and Clinton combined — by a lot
By Aaron Blake June 20, 2016

on under 30s voting for Sanders in 2016, including blacks and Latinos. I am not sure if I can find it again though.

On a side note: There was a movie, I think in the 60s or 70s, about killing off people over 30. I believe one of the people in it was Shelley Winters. While I would not recommend this as a solution (being over 30 myself), and I do not really remember the reason for the act of getting rid of older people, educating the older population as to what they are leaving for future generations is vital and would be a good issue for younger (as well as informed older) people to address.

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on under 30s voting for Sanders in 2016, including blacks and Latinos. I am not sure if I can find it again though.

On a side note: There was a movie, I think in the 60s or 70s, about killing off people over 30. I believe one of the people in it was Shelley Winters. While I would not recommend this as a solution (being over 30 myself), and I do not really remember the reason for the act of getting rid of older people, educating the older population as to what they are leaving for future generations is vital and would be a good issue for younger (as well as informed older) people to address.

on under 30s voting for Sanders in 2016, including blacks and Latinos. I am not sure if I can find it again though.

On a side note: There was a movie, I think in the 60s or 70s, about killing off people over 30. I believe one of the people in it was Shelley Winters. While I would not recommend this as a solution (being over 30 myself), and I do not really remember the reason for the act of getting rid of older people, educating the older population as to what they are leaving for future generations is vital and would be a good issue for younger (as well as informed older) people to address.

He does a great interview most of the time. He works to stay objective and follow the facts wherever they may lead. Sometimes he and his guests turn into 14-year-old adolescents in the boy's locker room. They get way too macho and slutty for my taste. I've learned to pick and chose from his stuff.

In the year 2274, young residents enjoy an idyllic, hedonistic lifestyle within the protective confines of a domed city. The general belief is that when each person turns 30, they are reincarnated for another blissful life cycle. Those who know the much darker truth become "runners"...

I do believe that voting should have an upper limit of 55 year old. Or 60. At that age people vote their fears and young people have to live in their projected nightmare while they escape in death. I'm for lowering the voting age to 15, as well. They vote their dreams. I think we would have a better country. This duck and cover Russia bullshit is a perfect example of what goes wrong.

on under 30s voting for Sanders in 2016, including blacks and Latinos. I am not sure if I can find it again though.

On a side note: There was a movie, I think in the 60s or 70s, about killing off people over 30. I believe one of the people in it was Shelley Winters. While I would not recommend this as a solution (being over 30 myself), and I do not really remember the reason for the act of getting rid of older people, educating the older population as to what they are leaving for future generations is vital and would be a good issue for younger (as well as informed older) people to address.

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In the year 2274, young residents enjoy an idyllic, hedonistic lifestyle within the protective confines of a domed city. The general belief is that when each person turns 30, they are reincarnated for another blissful life cycle. Those who know the much darker truth become "runners"...

I do believe that voting should have an upper limit of 55 year old. Or 60. At that age people vote their fears and young people have to live in their projected nightmare while they escape in death. I'm for lowering the voting age to 15, as well. They vote their dreams. I think we would have a better country. This duck and cover Russia bullshit is a perfect example of what goes wrong.

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@WindDancer13
but I will say, watching my then 80 something parents vote consistently Repugnant over the years while living off of their own SS and not giving one shit about climate, they just don't "believe in that" for God's sake, has made me start to really think about an age limit.

Yes, some of my animus is most assuredly personal but the gall of my idiot stepmother voting Trump, voting to cut taxes on the high end consistently, voting to cut my SS and Medicare while living off of hers, voting to gut Medicaid when both my dad and her own sister died in Skilled Nursing using that program, and yes, bleating on about the "prosperity gospel" and exceptional America and just "staying positive" while the world burns really shows me the damage the willfully ignorant elderly can do to the future they won't be around to face. I don't know the solution but damn I'm tired of watching a bunch of people who will escape the consequences of voting in lunatics.

#3.1.4.1 but I will say, watching my then 80 something parents vote consistently Repugnant over the years while living off of their own SS and not giving one shit about climate, they just don't "believe in that" for God's sake, has made me start to really think about an age limit.

Yes, some of my animus is most assuredly personal but the gall of my idiot stepmother voting Trump, voting to cut taxes on the high end consistently, voting to cut my SS and Medicare while living off of hers, voting to gut Medicaid when both my dad and her own sister died in Skilled Nursing using that program, and yes, bleating on about the "prosperity gospel" and exceptional America and just "staying positive" while the world burns really shows me the damage the willfully ignorant elderly can do to the future they won't be around to face. I don't know the solution but damn I'm tired of watching a bunch of people who will escape the consequences of voting in lunatics.

In 1996, 55% of voters 18-24 and 54% of voters 25-29 put Bill Clinton in office. (Note: compare to 50% of over 65 voted for him). His sins are too many to list.

#3.1.4.1 but I will say, watching my then 80 something parents vote consistently Repugnant over the years while living off of their own SS and not giving one shit about climate, they just don't "believe in that" for God's sake, has made me start to really think about an age limit.

Yes, some of my animus is most assuredly personal but the gall of my idiot stepmother voting Trump, voting to cut taxes on the high end consistently, voting to cut my SS and Medicare while living off of hers, voting to gut Medicaid when both my dad and her own sister died in Skilled Nursing using that program, and yes, bleating on about the "prosperity gospel" and exceptional America and just "staying positive" while the world burns really shows me the damage the willfully ignorant elderly can do to the future they won't be around to face. I don't know the solution but damn I'm tired of watching a bunch of people who will escape the consequences of voting in lunatics.

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...and the formation of FAUX News (made legal by Clinton's telecommunication act) has provided manufactured consent on steroids. The propaganda machine is powerful. Friends have been brainwashed by this apparatus...hell we're all brainwashed by the media apparatus.

Older folks largely supported the Vietnam war too.

#3.1.4.1 but I will say, watching my then 80 something parents vote consistently Repugnant over the years while living off of their own SS and not giving one shit about climate, they just don't "believe in that" for God's sake, has made me start to really think about an age limit.

Yes, some of my animus is most assuredly personal but the gall of my idiot stepmother voting Trump, voting to cut taxes on the high end consistently, voting to cut my SS and Medicare while living off of hers, voting to gut Medicaid when both my dad and her own sister died in Skilled Nursing using that program, and yes, bleating on about the "prosperity gospel" and exceptional America and just "staying positive" while the world burns really shows me the damage the willfully ignorant elderly can do to the future they won't be around to face. I don't know the solution but damn I'm tired of watching a bunch of people who will escape the consequences of voting in lunatics.

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...and the formation of FAUX News (made legal by Clinton's telecommunication act) has provided manufactured consent on steroids. The propaganda machine is powerful. Friends have been brainwashed by this apparatus...hell we're all brainwashed by the media apparatus.

Older folks largely supported the Vietnam war too.

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#3.1.4.1 but I will say, watching my then 80 something parents vote consistently Repugnant over the years while living off of their own SS and not giving one shit about climate, they just don't "believe in that" for God's sake, has made me start to really think about an age limit.

Yes, some of my animus is most assuredly personal but the gall of my idiot stepmother voting Trump, voting to cut taxes on the high end consistently, voting to cut my SS and Medicare while living off of hers, voting to gut Medicaid when both my dad and her own sister died in Skilled Nursing using that program, and yes, bleating on about the "prosperity gospel" and exceptional America and just "staying positive" while the world burns really shows me the damage the willfully ignorant elderly can do to the future they won't be around to face. I don't know the solution but damn I'm tired of watching a bunch of people who will escape the consequences of voting in lunatics.

I spend a lot of my online time on Reddit. There are a lot of people in the Bernie subs, for example, who said that they were too young to vote in the last election but volunteered for the campaign, and they are on fire to vote this time.

I am really annoyed by the DNC stipulating requirements for candidates to participate in their debates. Tulsi declared her candidacy, so she's in - let people hear her. The ONLY reason I would want to see that smarmy Joe Biden on a debate stage as a candidate is to see and hear Tulsi lay the smackdown on his foreign policy record. Same goes for any candidate.

I spend a lot of my online time on Reddit. There are a lot of people in the Bernie subs, for example, who said that they were too young to vote in the last election but volunteered for the campaign, and they are on fire to vote this time.

Glad you jumped into the conversation. There's a trick when you forget to use the reply button. Go to the comment you wanted to reply to. Hit reply. There will be a number code in the message box. Copy it. Go to your comment and edit. Add the number code to the top of you message. save.

I am really annoyed by the DNC stipulating requirements for candidates to participate in their debates. Tulsi declared her candidacy, so she's in - let people hear her. The ONLY reason I would want to see that smarmy Joe Biden on a debate stage as a candidate is to see and hear Tulsi lay the smackdown on his foreign policy record. Same goes for any candidate.

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It's been a while since I've been here. I'm also a graduate of TOP after the infamous March banning of the last election. As a Bernie supporter, I knew that Donald Trump would be elected as soon as Hillary Clinton got the nomination stolen - er, secured, for herself, so I checked out of the rest of the election and subsequently out of American politics (I am Canadian.) It wasn't until Bernie Sanders declared this week that I came back but I've been lurking! Nice to see everyone!

Glad you jumped into the conversation. There's a trick when you forget to use the reply button. Go to the comment you wanted to reply to. Hit reply. There will be a number code in the message box. Copy it. Go to your comment and edit. Add the number code to the top of you message. save.

It's been a while since I've been here. I'm also a graduate of TOP after the infamous March banning of the last election. As a Bernie supporter, I knew that Donald Trump would be elected as soon as Hillary Clinton got the nomination stolen - er, secured, for herself, so I checked out of the rest of the election and subsequently out of American politics (I am Canadian.) It wasn't until Bernie Sanders declared this week that I came back but I've been lurking! Nice to see everyone!

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It's been a while since I've been here. I'm also a graduate of TOP after the infamous March banning of the last election. As a Bernie supporter, I knew that Donald Trump would be elected as soon as Hillary Clinton got the nomination stolen - er, secured, for herself, so I checked out of the rest of the election and subsequently out of American politics (I am Canadian.) It wasn't until Bernie Sanders declared this week that I came back but I've been lurking! Nice to see everyone!

I am really annoyed by the DNC stipulating requirements for candidates to participate in their debates. Tulsi declared her candidacy, so she's in - let people hear her. The ONLY reason I would want to see that smarmy Joe Biden on a debate stage as a candidate is to see and hear Tulsi lay the smackdown on his foreign policy record. Same goes for any candidate.

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the HBO film with Kerry Washington about Anita Hill's testimony (and the surrounding events). Being reminded of what a weenus Joe Biden was got me so wound up I was petting the cats too hard while watching the film. How he has perpetuated this wholesome, statesman Uncle Joe image for himself makes me sick. I can't stand him.

The tern "uncle" has a lot of connotations, some that are not so wholesome. He is way too touchy-feelie with woman to make me comfortable. There are plenty of political reasons to dislike him, though, so my personal feelings do not get in the way of my recognizing him as just another DINO.

the HBO film with Kerry Washington about Anita Hill's testimony (and the surrounding events). Being reminded of what a weenus Joe Biden was got me so wound up I was petting the cats too hard while watching the film. How he has perpetuated this wholesome, statesman Uncle Joe image for himself makes me sick. I can't stand him.

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The tern "uncle" has a lot of connotations, some that are not so wholesome. He is way too touchy-feelie with woman to make me comfortable. There are plenty of political reasons to dislike him, though, so my personal feelings do not get in the way of my recognizing him as just another DINO.

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the touchy-feely handsiness. The best example I can think of is what happened to Stephanie Carter, Ashton Carter's wife, when her husband was making his speech and Stephanie had Joe Biden behind her, hands on both shoulders, whispering in her ear, just gross.

The tern "uncle" has a lot of connotations, some that are not so wholesome. He is way too touchy-feelie with woman to make me comfortable. There are plenty of political reasons to dislike him, though, so my personal feelings do not get in the way of my recognizing him as just another DINO.

The tern "uncle" has a lot of connotations, some that are not so wholesome. He is way too touchy-feelie with woman to make me comfortable. There are plenty of political reasons to dislike him, though, so my personal feelings do not get in the way of my recognizing him as just another DINO.

I spend a lot of my online time on Reddit. There are a lot of people in the Bernie subs, for example, who said that they were too young to vote in the last election but volunteered for the campaign, and they are on fire to vote this time.

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I spend a lot of my online time on Reddit. There are a lot of people in the Bernie subs, for example, who said that they were too young to vote in the last election but volunteered for the campaign, and they are on fire to vote this time.

and that burnout feeling is real. It is so difficult to articulate what that looks like on a day-to-day basis. That article does a good job explaining the mass hopelessness. I was speaking with my boomer dad recently and he was talking about investing and his pension, and he made a comment about how I have that to look forward to, and I said "you think I'll have a pension? I'm currently paying for yours, how do you figure I'll have one?" And he quickly changed the subject.

and that burnout feeling is real. It is so difficult to articulate what that looks like on a day-to-day basis. That article does a good job explaining the mass hopelessness. I was speaking with my boomer dad recently and he was talking about investing and his pension, and he made a comment about how I have that to look forward to, and I said "you think I'll have a pension? I'm currently paying for yours, how do you figure I'll have one?" And he quickly changed the subject.

@Le Frog
plans are offered today--I believe less than one-fifth of plans, and, mostly provided to government, or quasi-government employees (such as TVA).

FWIW, Social Security hasn't changed much since my parents and grandparents participated in the system--except, with Boomers, our return is less than that of our parents (generally) due to the 'reforms' enacted in the 1980's. (Actually, there were a couple of beneficial reforms, as well, for some.)

Another hit to Social Security benefits was in the 1970's when Carter overturned the inflation increases enacted during the Nixon Administration. Carter (who was my Governor) was a super fiscal conservative.

Regarding the Nixon increases--he recommended a 10% immediate across-the-board increase in social security cash benefits. He also recommended automatic adjustments of Social Security benefits tied to future increases in the Consumer Price Index, plus he recommended other benefits increases.

Of course, 'O' worked hard to strike a Grand Bargain by changing the bend points used to figure one's PIA, and, advocating for a Chained CPI, which didn't get passed--thank goodness!

Truthfully, it's more the fault of lawmakers in both parties, than individual Boomers, that Social Security benefits are diminishing.

I do hope that your generation can fix the problem, if others don't.

Welcome, and good luck!

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and that burnout feeling is real. It is so difficult to articulate what that looks like on a day-to-day basis. That article does a good job explaining the mass hopelessness. I was speaking with my boomer dad recently and he was talking about investing and his pension, and he made a comment about how I have that to look forward to, and I said "you think I'll have a pension? I'm currently paying for yours, how do you figure I'll have one?" And he quickly changed the subject.

Great essay by Caitlin--very insightful and true words. On Russia, Bernie must be using Maddow as his editor. Maybe he understands that Russiagate smearing will be used against him, so he is trying to inoculate himself with his statements/tweets.

Problem is that Russiagate has been the Ground Zero, Patient Zero on so much horrid shit which will only get worse. Is not about some conspiracy anymore. It is about it being the justification for the significant growth of both state and private censorship that has literally wiped clean off the internet important alternative voices. It is reason one for the massive increase in the total defense budgets of NATO and the US (by my crude count $200 billion), and literally calls for war against nuclear armed Russia.

Russiagate is not benign. And Bernie has assented to it.

Tulis is the candidate for peace, and if I am a one issue voter, it is on peace.

Now, if Bernie is the democratic party pick, then I will vote for him. I gladly voted for him in 2016. And if he wins, I hope he can control the neocon deep state unlike Trump who has let them run wild. In case of a Bernie win, I hope he appoints her to a major cabinet position.

...in her piece. A Sander's run will be interesting, and I wish him well.

Sanders campaign will get the mass media manipulators working very hard to control the narrative and keep everyone herded into their lanes, and they often expose themselves for the malignant liars they are when they do that. Anything that causes the propagandists to lose control of the narrative is a good thing, and the Sanders campaign may do just that.

Great essay by Caitlin--very insightful and true words. On Russia, Bernie must be using Maddow as his editor. Maybe he understands that Russiagate smearing will be used against him, so he is trying to inoculate himself with his statements/tweets.

Problem is that Russiagate has been the Ground Zero, Patient Zero on so much horrid shit which will only get worse. Is not about some conspiracy anymore. It is about it being the justification for the significant growth of both state and private censorship that has literally wiped clean off the internet important alternative voices. It is reason one for the massive increase in the total defense budgets of NATO and the US (by my crude count $200 billion), and literally calls for war against nuclear armed Russia.

Russiagate is not benign. And Bernie has assented to it.

Tulis is the candidate for peace, and if I am a one issue voter, it is on peace.

Now, if Bernie is the democratic party pick, then I will vote for him. I gladly voted for him in 2016. And if he wins, I hope he can control the neocon deep state unlike Trump who has let them run wild. In case of a Bernie win, I hope he appoints her to a major cabinet position.

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a peace POTUS? (And not for lack of intentions. You just made me wonder.) A cornerstone of American foreign policy is Regime Change, with or without direct military intervention: Cuba, Honduras, Nicaragua, Phillipines, Iran, Guatemala, Chile, Panama, Iraq, Afghanistan and on and on and on. I could go on all day. I just remembered that this is how Hawaii became a state.

I hope that Tulsi, or someone, proves it is possible. Out of all the candidates, she's come the closest to giving me hope.

Great essay by Caitlin--very insightful and true words. On Russia, Bernie must be using Maddow as his editor. Maybe he understands that Russiagate smearing will be used against him, so he is trying to inoculate himself with his statements/tweets.

Problem is that Russiagate has been the Ground Zero, Patient Zero on so much horrid shit which will only get worse. Is not about some conspiracy anymore. It is about it being the justification for the significant growth of both state and private censorship that has literally wiped clean off the internet important alternative voices. It is reason one for the massive increase in the total defense budgets of NATO and the US (by my crude count $200 billion), and literally calls for war against nuclear armed Russia.

Russiagate is not benign. And Bernie has assented to it.

Tulis is the candidate for peace, and if I am a one issue voter, it is on peace.

Now, if Bernie is the democratic party pick, then I will vote for him. I gladly voted for him in 2016. And if he wins, I hope he can control the neocon deep state unlike Trump who has let them run wild. In case of a Bernie win, I hope he appoints her to a major cabinet position.

you've said here, Lookout, about Gabbard, and she's the only candidate I have enthusiasm about. I will send her campaign a donation. Thank you for the addresses.

The fact that she's being erased by DKos and by the mainstream media just emphasizes how threatening she is to the deep state. Excellent. The fact that she won't be able to compete with corporate cash for mainstream media coverage is a given for any anti-war candidate. So she'll be like Bernie in that respect, forced to connect in person and online. Fine.

She's military, she'a a woman, and she's a peace candidate. She has had the courage to say the so-called help we brought to the people of Syria was worse than what they had with Assad. Duh. Obvious. Clear. But it's the kind of common sense the mainstream media can't abide. She's courageous to speak that truth, so I support her.

If her critics think her opposition to same-sex marriage in her past is a deal-breaker, they are ignoring President Obama's statements saying the same thing. And I'm still stunned that they could support Hillary and Bill Clinton, who wrote the Defense of Marriage Act! So I think their opposition to Gabbard is dishonest if it's about that one thing. It's a way of dismissing her peace positions without dealing with the truth and logic of her statements on foreign policy.

you've said here, Lookout, about Gabbard, and she's the only candidate I have enthusiasm about. I will send her campaign a donation. Thank you for the addresses.

The fact that she's being erased by DKos and by the mainstream media just emphasizes how threatening she is to the deep state. Excellent. The fact that she won't be able to compete with corporate cash for mainstream media coverage is a given for any anti-war candidate. So she'll be like Bernie in that respect, forced to connect in person and online. Fine.

She's military, she'a a woman, and she's a peace candidate. She has had the courage to say the so-called help we brought to the people of Syria was worse than what they had with Assad. Duh. Obvious. Clear. But it's the kind of common sense the mainstream media can't abide. She's courageous to speak that truth, so I support her.

If her critics think her opposition to same-sex marriage in her past is a deal-breaker, they are ignoring President Obama's statements saying the same thing. And I'm still stunned that they could support Hillary and Bill Clinton, who wrote the Defense of Marriage Act! So I think their opposition to Gabbard is dishonest if it's about that one thing. It's a way of dismissing her peace positions without dealing with the truth and logic of her statements on foreign policy.

you've said here, Lookout, about Gabbard, and she's the only candidate I have enthusiasm about. I will send her campaign a donation. Thank you for the addresses.

The fact that she's being erased by DKos and by the mainstream media just emphasizes how threatening she is to the deep state. Excellent. The fact that she won't be able to compete with corporate cash for mainstream media coverage is a given for any anti-war candidate. So she'll be like Bernie in that respect, forced to connect in person and online. Fine.

She's military, she'a a woman, and she's a peace candidate. She has had the courage to say the so-called help we brought to the people of Syria was worse than what they had with Assad. Duh. Obvious. Clear. But it's the kind of common sense the mainstream media can't abide. She's courageous to speak that truth, so I support her.

If her critics think her opposition to same-sex marriage in her past is a deal-breaker, they are ignoring President Obama's statements saying the same thing. And I'm still stunned that they could support Hillary and Bill Clinton, who wrote the Defense of Marriage Act! So I think their opposition to Gabbard is dishonest if it's about that one thing. It's a way of dismissing her peace positions without dealing with the truth and logic of her statements on foreign policy.

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...voting would be a real thing. I say that with some surprise since I've never looked at an election from that perspective. I could actually "feel" something like excitement and hope for a minute there. I forgot about that feeling. Your discussion of Tulsi was the perfect vehicle to reawaken it. She stays awfully close to truth and self-awareness, doesn't she?

... in 2016 the outcome of the Alabama dim primary differed by 18 points from the exit polls (in the $hill's favor).

And, then there's that.
Lookout, that's a really high number, even in the US. By global standards, the race wouldn't likely be certified. It's just as well that most people don't know that because it's hurtful in an insidious way.

I've always been aware that Bernie is a "domestic" candidate. He is a realist about foreign policy issues: President's have no power in these matters, which are 100 percent owned and operated by a rogue faction of our corporate-owned government. It's unthinkable that a President would ever step onto that political battlefield and attempt to call the shots. He or she would be completely alone, without a single elected peer to stand beside them. Actually, I don't think that would be allowed to happen as the result of any election. It would be prevented, whatever it took.

To get to something like self-government, we the People are missing a step. We can't get there from here. It requires an electorate that truly respects itself and feels empowered and confident of their place in the civilization that they inherited from those who came before. They know they were never meant to be put in the position of dogs fighting over scraps. Always on the outside, looking in at their betters who control this place.

I think a Bernie or a Tulsi have what it takes to usher People into the self-respect and human rights they need to empower them to make the most of their individual potential; so they can stand as equals on the high plain of Liberty with the resources to compete in shaping the nation's destiny. I believe that is the original vision of the perfect nation and the ideal society we began with. I think some of the other candidates have the talent to actualize the American people into their true roles of self-government, but they may not have the vision to keep them on course. Then, there are the authoritarians candidates who want to do nothing of the kind. And, of course, there are some candidates who have no idea what I am talking about.

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The self-respect is spot-on. Plutocratic and conservative ideas have changed the narrative on people, that if they are poor or struggling or on the receiving end of some other discriminatory shite, it is their own fault for not working hard enough to rise up fast enough. We get the shite and we get the blame.

...voting would be a real thing. I say that with some surprise since I've never looked at an election from that perspective. I could actually "feel" something like excitement and hope for a minute there. I forgot about that feeling. Your discussion of Tulsi was the perfect vehicle to reawaken it. She stays awfully close to truth and self-awareness, doesn't she?

... in 2016 the outcome of the Alabama dim primary differed by 18 points from the exit polls (in the $hill's favor).

And, then there's that.
Lookout, that's a really high number, even in the US. By global standards, the race wouldn't likely be certified. It's just as well that most people don't know that because it's hurtful in an insidious way.

I've always been aware that Bernie is a "domestic" candidate. He is a realist about foreign policy issues: President's have no power in these matters, which are 100 percent owned and operated by a rogue faction of our corporate-owned government. It's unthinkable that a President would ever step onto that political battlefield and attempt to call the shots. He or she would be completely alone, without a single elected peer to stand beside them. Actually, I don't think that would be allowed to happen as the result of any election. It would be prevented, whatever it took.

To get to something like self-government, we the People are missing a step. We can't get there from here. It requires an electorate that truly respects itself and feels empowered and confident of their place in the civilization that they inherited from those who came before. They know they were never meant to be put in the position of dogs fighting over scraps. Always on the outside, looking in at their betters who control this place.

I think a Bernie or a Tulsi have what it takes to usher People into the self-respect and human rights they need to empower them to make the most of their individual potential; so they can stand as equals on the high plain of Liberty with the resources to compete in shaping the nation's destiny. I believe that is the original vision of the perfect nation and the ideal society we began with. I think some of the other candidates have the talent to actualize the American people into their true roles of self-government, but they may not have the vision to keep them on course. Then, there are the authoritarians candidates who want to do nothing of the kind. And, of course, there are some candidates who have no idea what I am talking about.

...voting would be a real thing. I say that with some surprise since I've never looked at an election from that perspective. I could actually "feel" something like excitement and hope for a minute there. I forgot about that feeling. Your discussion of Tulsi was the perfect vehicle to reawaken it. She stays awfully close to truth and self-awareness, doesn't she?

... in 2016 the outcome of the Alabama dim primary differed by 18 points from the exit polls (in the $hill's favor).

And, then there's that.
Lookout, that's a really high number, even in the US. By global standards, the race wouldn't likely be certified. It's just as well that most people don't know that because it's hurtful in an insidious way.

I've always been aware that Bernie is a "domestic" candidate. He is a realist about foreign policy issues: President's have no power in these matters, which are 100 percent owned and operated by a rogue faction of our corporate-owned government. It's unthinkable that a President would ever step onto that political battlefield and attempt to call the shots. He or she would be completely alone, without a single elected peer to stand beside them. Actually, I don't think that would be allowed to happen as the result of any election. It would be prevented, whatever it took.

To get to something like self-government, we the People are missing a step. We can't get there from here. It requires an electorate that truly respects itself and feels empowered and confident of their place in the civilization that they inherited from those who came before. They know they were never meant to be put in the position of dogs fighting over scraps. Always on the outside, looking in at their betters who control this place.

I think a Bernie or a Tulsi have what it takes to usher People into the self-respect and human rights they need to empower them to make the most of their individual potential; so they can stand as equals on the high plain of Liberty with the resources to compete in shaping the nation's destiny. I believe that is the original vision of the perfect nation and the ideal society we began with. I think some of the other candidates have the talent to actualize the American people into their true roles of self-government, but they may not have the vision to keep them on course. Then, there are the authoritarians candidates who want to do nothing of the kind. And, of course, there are some candidates who have no idea what I am talking about.

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"under a President Sanders we can expect to see a continued escalation of the world-threatening cold war against Russia, continued starvation sanctions against nations which fail to comply with the demands of the US empire, continued military expansionism around the world, and very little pushback against the depraved agendas of military and intelligence agencies. We can expect to see him play right along with the establishment narrative if the political/media class decides that Assad is gassing civilians and needs a dose of Tomahawk missiles, and we can probably expect him to facilitate the persecution of Julian Assange as well"

I'm sorry to say. I think that is the primary basis of her analysis.
From her piece -

...he actively fanned the flames of the establishment Russia hysteria which the Democratic Party used to completely kill the narrative about primary rigging. Contrary to the belief of some Bernie supporters I’ve spoken to, Sanders didn’t just pay lip service to some Russian interference once or twice and then change the subject back to healthcare and income inequality: he has gone full Rachel Maddow promoting the Russian collusion narrative many, many times. As we discussed recently, this baseless Russia hysteria that he has sold to American progressives will be used to attack him throughout the primary, and it will be partly his fault for promoting that narrative.

"under a President Sanders we can expect to see a continued escalation of the world-threatening cold war against Russia, continued starvation sanctions against nations which fail to comply with the demands of the US empire, continued military expansionism around the world, and very little pushback against the depraved agendas of military and intelligence agencies. We can expect to see him play right along with the establishment narrative if the political/media class decides that Assad is gassing civilians and needs a dose of Tomahawk missiles, and we can probably expect him to facilitate the persecution of Julian Assange as well"

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@Lookout
and didn't find anything that supports some of the odd statements she made. In your link, she references several times that Bernie had videos that addressed Russia, and I couldn't find them (she had no link). I did find an article that criticized him for buying the 'Russia influenced the election.' and there were direct quotes of his in support.

As to Bernie supporting sanctions, continuing Mideast wars, or entirely adopting the HRC/GWB/BC/GHWB war strategies, I just don't see it.

And this from Bernie's SOTU response, "How can he not talk about the reality that Russia, through cyberwarfare, interfered in our election in 2016, is interfering in democratic elections all over the world, and according to the heads of his own national security agencies, attempted to interfere in the 2018 midterm elections?" is really weak tea in and of itself. This is the only part of Bernie's response to the SOTU that discusses Russia.

I am not saying that you are wrong or that Caitlin is wrong. I am just having trouble finding much to support her assertions, but I only poked around for about 15 minutes (thinking if he did it so much, why didn't more pop up about the topic).

I'm sorry to say. I think that is the primary basis of her analysis.
From her piece -

...he actively fanned the flames of the establishment Russia hysteria which the Democratic Party used to completely kill the narrative about primary rigging. Contrary to the belief of some Bernie supporters I’ve spoken to, Sanders didn’t just pay lip service to some Russian interference once or twice and then change the subject back to healthcare and income inequality: he has gone full Rachel Maddow promoting the Russian collusion narrative many, many times. As we discussed recently, this baseless Russia hysteria that he has sold to American progressives will be used to attack him throughout the primary, and it will be partly his fault for promoting that narrative.

#10.1 and didn't find anything that supports some of the odd statements she made. In your link, she references several times that Bernie had videos that addressed Russia, and I couldn't find them (she had no link). I did find an article that criticized him for buying the 'Russia influenced the election.' and there were direct quotes of his in support.

As to Bernie supporting sanctions, continuing Mideast wars, or entirely adopting the HRC/GWB/BC/GHWB war strategies, I just don't see it.

And this from Bernie's SOTU response, "How can he not talk about the reality that Russia, through cyberwarfare, interfered in our election in 2016, is interfering in democratic elections all over the world, and according to the heads of his own national security agencies, attempted to interfere in the 2018 midterm elections?" is really weak tea in and of itself. This is the only part of Bernie's response to the SOTU that discusses Russia.

I am not saying that you are wrong or that Caitlin is wrong. I am just having trouble finding much to support her assertions, but I only poked around for about 15 minutes (thinking if he did it so much, why didn't more pop up about the topic).

I'll caucus for either Bernie or Tulsi.

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I disagree with her take on Sanders' foreign war stances almost totally, and it make me suspicious of her motives. Yes, I know a lot of people swear by her, but everyone can be wrong occasionally. Although, this far off the mark is a bit hard to understand.

I too did a search, several hours worth, and only found a few statements and/or videos from Sanders or in interviews regarding the Russia thing. Granted, I am not thrilled with some of what he said (although to be honest a lot of it was filler), but what he has had to say is infinitesimal next to Maddow whom this author chose to compare him against.

#10.1 and didn't find anything that supports some of the odd statements she made. In your link, she references several times that Bernie had videos that addressed Russia, and I couldn't find them (she had no link). I did find an article that criticized him for buying the 'Russia influenced the election.' and there were direct quotes of his in support.

As to Bernie supporting sanctions, continuing Mideast wars, or entirely adopting the HRC/GWB/BC/GHWB war strategies, I just don't see it.

And this from Bernie's SOTU response, "How can he not talk about the reality that Russia, through cyberwarfare, interfered in our election in 2016, is interfering in democratic elections all over the world, and according to the heads of his own national security agencies, attempted to interfere in the 2018 midterm elections?" is really weak tea in and of itself. This is the only part of Bernie's response to the SOTU that discusses Russia.

I am not saying that you are wrong or that Caitlin is wrong. I am just having trouble finding much to support her assertions, but I only poked around for about 15 minutes (thinking if he did it so much, why didn't more pop up about the topic).

I'll caucus for either Bernie or Tulsi.

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I disagree with her take on Sanders' foreign war stances almost totally, and it make me suspicious of her motives. Yes, I know a lot of people swear by her, but everyone can be wrong occasionally. Although, this far off the mark is a bit hard to understand.

I too did a search, several hours worth, and only found a few statements and/or videos from Sanders or in interviews regarding the Russia thing. Granted, I am not thrilled with some of what he said (although to be honest a lot of it was filler), but what he has had to say is infinitesimal next to Maddow whom this author chose to compare him against.

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category as Rachel Maddow. Even with the examples she posts, Sanders comes no way close. In addition, Sanders states known facts and then poses a question. This is standard in critical thinking/logic exercises, by the way. If A and B are true, is C true? (cf syllogism)

Some of the posts Johnstone uses for her argument in your link are not even actually related to the Russia investigation but about Trump's and his administration's lies and questioning Trump's praise of Putin. Yet people will just look at her statement of "Over and over again, month after month" and not check the links to see if they prove her point. I call that manipulation.

While there are a number of things Sanders has said that I think are part of the Russia "thing", I think she is way off referring to this as a massive outpouring from Sanders about the Russia "thing," just as she is off in his stance on wars and regime change. I question why she thought we needed another article about the Russia "thing."

In the link you posted, she even goes so far to lay nuclear annihilation at Sanders' feet because in one of those tweets she posted he called for sanctions on Russia. The US has been putting sanction on Russia since 1948 and all through the height of the Cold War.

Has the president and his administration lied to the American people? Has the president shown support for and/or admiration for dictators? These are some of the questions I think we should care about rather than the constant distractions of Russia! Russia! Russia! of which Johnstone's article is one of.

comparison (of Bernie) to Rachel Maddow was over-the-top, considering that the Russia Ruse is the primary catalyst and/or basis for the slow-moving soft coup we've been witnessing for over two years, I can hardly consider it to be just a distraction.

If anything, since the same thing could happen to Bernie or Tulsi--that is, if either of them were allowed to get past the primary election, and actually take the White House--I've been very surprised that more Dems have not found the entire scenario to be quite alarming. For me, the power that the Deep State has demonstrated is more than unsettling, and, IMO, sets a very dangerous precedent.

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category as Rachel Maddow. Even with the examples she posts, Sanders comes no way close. In addition, Sanders states known facts and then poses a question. This is standard in critical thinking/logic exercises, by the way. If A and B are true, is C true? (cf syllogism)

Some of the posts Johnstone uses for her argument in your link are not even actually related to the Russia investigation but about Trump's and his administration's lies and questioning Trump's praise of Putin. Yet people will just look at her statement of "Over and over again, month after month" and not check the links to see if they prove her point. I call that manipulation.

While there are a number of things Sanders has said that I think are part of the Russia "thing", I think she is way off referring to this as a massive outpouring from Sanders about the Russia "thing," just as she is off in his stance on wars and regime change. I question why she thought we needed another article about the Russia "thing."

In the link you posted, she even goes so far to lay nuclear annihilation at Sanders' feet because in one of those tweets she posted he called for sanctions on Russia. The US has been putting sanction on Russia since 1948 and all through the height of the Cold War.

Has the president and his administration lied to the American people? Has the president shown support for and/or admiration for dictators? These are some of the questions I think we should care about rather than the constant distractions of Russia! Russia! Russia! of which Johnstone's article is one of.