First we need a solid definition of terrorist.....It is very losely defined.... Gangs tend to go after themselves... I wouldnt consider them terrorists..... UNLESS they are targeting innocent people. Which they do..... But their end objective is not to dethrone a government. Its usually guns, drugs, colors or styles they go after.... Gangs usually dont want to leave their own "hood". When they do its to smuggle crap...then you start the boarder line for cartels...... eek... see so many gray areas on this subject....but simple hood gangs....meh....

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 05:54 AM

aztek, on 10 October 2012 - 06:51 PM, said:

unless you fight agains gvmnt, or ways it conducts its buissnes, you aren't terrorists.

government, and rich (the untochable), and banks, are rulling class\elite, you'll get more jailtime, and a lot higher bail, if you try to rob a bank, or assult a federal emploee, than if you would rape someone not important.
just afact of life,.

Umm, nope. Wrong. There are terrorists that don't fight governments, and don't care how a certain government conducts it's business. Those that do, are called "political terrorists"... there is a huge difference.

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The danger that some people aren't perceiving here is that if you can be labled a terrorist they don't need to press charges to lock you up or freeze your bank accounts. It also makes it OK for them to use 'enhanced interrogation' (torture) on you.

So once you say gang members are terrorists, then that will by definition include militias, motorcycle clubs, gun clubs, etc. See the danger? Terrorists need to be defined by thier political goals not just someone who may or may not inspire terror in some of you.

The topic is about whether a gang member should be termed a terrorist or a criminal. You're the one who brought in the personal story. What relevance does your story have to do with the topic?

I had a feeling someone would bring that up, does 9/11 and the terrorists taking lives of innocents bring relevance? A terrorist is a criminal.

Thomas Paine wrote in The Age of Reason that “Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous execution, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be consistent that we called it the word of a demon, than the word of God."http://www.astrology...hp?albumid=1164http://www.astrology...ead.php?t=81593

Thomas Paine wrote in The Age of Reason that “Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous execution, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be consistent that we called it the word of a demon, than the word of God."http://www.astrology...hp?albumid=1164http://www.astrology...ead.php?t=81593

So it should be that anyone wearing a 1%'ers patch can be locked up indefinetly, have thier assets frozen, and be subjected to enhanced interrogation techniques? Because that's what can be done to anyone that is classifiable as a terrorist. Don't act like the rest of us are stupid just because you want to say anyone that scares you is a terrorist.

So it should be that anyone wearing a 1%'ers patch can be locked up indefinetly, have thier assets frozen, and be subjected to enhanced interrogation techniques? Because that's what can be done to anyone that is classifiable as a terrorist. Don't act like the rest of us are stupid just because you want to say anyone that scares you is a terrorist.

Criminals and terrorists. Two different things. Get it yet?

I never said criminals are terrorists, I said terrorists are criminals, I never said they should have their assets frozen and be subjects to interrogation techniques (what they do though is far far worse.) And they intentionally set out to scare people, technically they would be terrorists.

And you didn't answer my question, do you know what the 1% patch means?

Edited by HavocWing, 11 October 2012 - 07:15 PM.

Thomas Paine wrote in The Age of Reason that “Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous execution, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be consistent that we called it the word of a demon, than the word of God."http://www.astrology...hp?albumid=1164http://www.astrology...ead.php?t=81593

I never said criminals are terrorists, I said terrorists are criminals, I never said they should their assets frozen and be subjects to interrogation techniques (what they do though is far far worse.) And they intentionally set out to scare people, technically they would be terrorists.

Yes I do, and have friends that are in the gypsy jokers out of battlefield WA. Nice guys. And yeah terrorist are criminals unless they fulfill thier political agenda, such as in the case of Isreal.

If they are nice guys, then they aren't true one percenters.

Edited by HavocWing, 11 October 2012 - 07:19 PM.

Thomas Paine wrote in The Age of Reason that “Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous execution, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be consistent that we called it the word of a demon, than the word of God."http://www.astrology...hp?albumid=1164http://www.astrology...ead.php?t=81593

LOL! Know many bikers? They are true one percenters and if you're friends of thiers they will go out of thier way to watch your back if they feel you need them to. You can be a gun runner and a nice person you know.