It will be interesting to see the fallout from this.People mocking electrical carsGPS data being releasedAccusations of lyingThe journalist ranks closing on Tesla motors so they don't get any more reviews as they "undermined' one of the their own

What! You don't say. A media member has once again took a bias view and tweeked the test to get the desired results. Good thing the car didn't have a gas tank. They would've added a sparking device to blow the tank (chevy truck). Or like the Ford Explorer, when a tv crew ran a test to prove how safe the vehicle was by only blowing a rear tire while driving a straight line.

Nezorf:It will be interesting to see the fallout from this.People mocking electrical carsGPS data being releasedAccusations of lyingThe journalist ranks closing on Tesla motors so they don't get any more reviews as they "undermined' one of the their own

I want to see the Tesla blog details to find out if this is idiot error of if the journalist out and out made shiat up. If he charged the battery to 90% and ran out of juice, MAYBE that's an excuse. If he started driving with a 50% chard and took a roundabout way home, that's inexcusable.

I read his article and it seems it should be pretty easy to cross check his multiple phone calls to Tesla, verify the story with the tow truck driver, and check (from Tesla) that the car went where he said it did.

I do have to say, I have a 2006 Infiniti G35 sedan and the EPA estimates were a little low. It was listed at 17/22 and I get about 23 on the highway. They've only dropped about .2 mpg over the years, but the car has 140,000 miles on it, so that's expected. When the AWD kicks in it can really hurt the mileage so it's good it doesn't snow much around here.

Lsherm:I do have to say, I have a 2006 Infiniti G35 sedan and the EPA estimates were a little low. It was listed at 17/22 and I get about 23 on the highway. They've only dropped about .2 mpg over the years, but the car has 140,000 miles on it, so that's expected. When the AWD kicks in it can really hurt the mileage so it's good it doesn't snow much around here.

What's strange is that it seems that every car I've had with a huge motor and low mileage estimates does better while fuel efficient vehicles do worse than the EPA numbers.

Popcorn Johnny:Lsherm: I do have to say, I have a 2006 Infiniti G35 sedan and the EPA estimates were a little low. It was listed at 17/22 and I get about 23 on the highway. They've only dropped about .2 mpg over the years, but the car has 140,000 miles on it, so that's expected. When the AWD kicks in it can really hurt the mileage so it's good it doesn't snow much around here.

What's strange is that it seems that every car I've had with a huge motor and low mileage estimates does better while fuel efficient vehicles do worse than the EPA numbers.

Maybe because the bigger engine hits the overdrive gear faster and can stay there because of the extra torque? Just guessing.

Mine's a 3.5L V6, which is now on the bigger end of things, but it's not a huge engine. However, during normal driving it hits 5th at 40mph and stays there. A tree fell on it last year and I rented a Honda Civic for a week, and the Civic shifted gears all the time. The Honda still got better mileage because it had a tiny engine, but it was definitely working harder. If I was going 70 on the highway and had to accelerate, it would drop a gear. I suppose that adds up over time.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say they both have reasons to lie, but they're just different. And it's a well known fact that the NYT has been an administration mouthpiece for quite some time. Like since at least the Vietnam war. SIgned,

Popcorn Johnny:Lsherm: I do have to say, I have a 2006 Infiniti G35 sedan and the EPA estimates were a little low. It was listed at 17/22 and I get about 23 on the highway. They've only dropped about .2 mpg over the years, but the car has 140,000 miles on it, so that's expected. When the AWD kicks in it can really hurt the mileage so it's good it doesn't snow much around here.

What's strange is that it seems that every car I've had with a huge motor and low mileage estimates does better while fuel efficient vehicles do worse than the EPA numbers.

My father has a 99 Corvette. At 75 mph, it gets about 33 mpg. In 6th gear it's almost idling along.

Popcorn Johnny:Lsherm: I do have to say, I have a 2006 Infiniti G35 sedan and the EPA estimates were a little low. It was listed at 17/22 and I get about 23 on the highway. They've only dropped about .2 mpg over the years, but the car has 140,000 miles on it, so that's expected. When the AWD kicks in it can really hurt the mileage so it's good it doesn't snow much around here.

What's strange is that it seems that every car I've had with a huge motor and low mileage estimates does better while fuel efficient vehicles do worse than the EPA numbers.

The EPA doesnt actually test vehicles these days they just apply a math formula based on weight and hp. Anyways the formula consistantly over estimates mileage for small vehicles andunderestimates mileage for large vehicles because it doesnt account for the fact that volume increases by the cube area increases by the square, so it does not take aerodynamics in to account at all.

I read the NYT article. What I don't get is why the author didn't just stop at a conventional electric car charging station. Those are all over the place (well, compared to Tesla's own ever few hundred miles). I assume the Tesla also has an adapter for the standard electric car chargers.

Some writer that barely got out of J School trying to cut corners got burned by his stupidity and tried to blame the car. Only problem is, cars today know more than the people driving them. OBD III for the win.

ameeriklane:I read the NYT article. What I don't get is why the author didn't just stop at a conventional electric car charging station. Those are all over the place (well, compared to Tesla's own ever few hundred miles). I assume the Tesla also has an adapter for the standard electric car chargers.

Maybe they don't? He said the tow truck had to attach a special Tesla adapter to charge the car on the side of the road.

Oldiron_79:Tesla has every reason to lie, NYT has none, guess which Im gonna believe.Or are you libs just gonna label the NYT a conservative rag now?

NYT has practiced poor journalism for about 2 decades now. This view was only reinforced when my father-in-law shared the same opinion, but what does he know? He only graduated Summa cum laude from the NYU School of Journalism.

Popcorn Johnny:Lsherm: I do have to say, I have a 2006 Infiniti G35 sedan and the EPA estimates were a little low. It was listed at 17/22 and I get about 23 on the highway. They've only dropped about .2 mpg over the years, but the car has 140,000 miles on it, so that's expected. When the AWD kicks in it can really hurt the mileage so it's good it doesn't snow much around here.

What's strange is that it seems that every car I've had with a huge motor and low mileage estimates does better while fuel efficient vehicles do worse than the EPA numbers.

Depends. I've seen two or three different sets of EPA fuel ratings for my car, but the latest numbers from fueleconomy.gov are way lower than I usually get.* (Hell, they're barely higher than my my brother used to get out of his 1990 F-150.)

*I usually see high 20s around town and commuting to work. (Rush hour sucks.) If I drive over to WI and put high-octane, no-ethanol gas in the tank (all the gas here is E10), I can get 35+ over long distances.

My favorite story about mileage is a Saturn I had in college. I'd get low 30s around town, 40+ on the freeway. (Personal best was 42, on a trip where I also... shall we say... drove very fast, through much of Pennsylvania.)

But the first few months I had it, I just drove to and from school. (I shouldn't have - I should have been walking, biking, or taking a bus, but I was geeked about having a car.) It was about two miles each way, which gave the engine just enough time to remember it was an engine, and maybe consider warming up, before I shut it off.

My second tank of gas lasted me the entire month of February. Average mileage? About 18mpg.

Nezorf:It will be interesting to see the fallout from this.People mocking electrical carsGPS data being releasedAccusations of lyingThe journalist ranks closing on Tesla motors so they don't get any more reviews as they "undermined' one of the their own

Actually the opposite would happen. A reviewer lying undermines all other reviewers more than it undermines the company. Reviewers will flock to Tesla even knowing their results are monitored it is win win for the reviewers. Either you get a bunch of them showing that the Times reviewer (and Top Gear) were full of shiat and you maintain the integrity of the reviewing system. Or you get a bunch of them showing that hey there may be something to these reports and you maintain the integrity of the reviewing system.

When looking at reviews integrity means a lot to the majority of people. To people that love Tesla or hate Tesla they are going to listen to whatever biased review they want.

The same goes with the rest of the world, although the media seems to be fairly successful at selling opinion over fact now.

Oldiron_79:Tesla has every reason to lie, NYT has none, guess which Im gonna believe.Or are you libs just gonna label the NYT a conservative rag now?

Throw in the fact that there is an actual log of actual data, and motives dont matter. The data will indicate who is lying. No need to motive speculation.

Given that many others have run the same test which has given the same results that Tesla claims, AND they claim that the logs vindicate them. If the reporter's story was accurate/truthful, Tesla would simply say "99 out of 100 times it works, as shown by all these other testers, this was an outlier"

I think there is a 99.99999% chance that this reporter will be out of a job in less than a month.