The Department of Homeland Security’s release of the “right-wing extremism” report should anger everyone. Janet Napolitano’s faux apology to veterans glossed over the real message of this memo: to intimidate the 60 million Americans who voted against Obama.

Consider the current Department of Homeland Security’s definitions of “extremists” according to this memo: those worried about the usurpation of the Constitution, illegal immigration, and the threat of gun control legislation. Consider the way these real fears are cast: “Many right-wing extremist groups perceive recent gun control legislation as a threat to their right to bear arms”; also they have the “perception that illegal immigrants were taking away American jobs” (emphases added).

This administration labels those who see such real dangers for what they are as delusional. Perhaps they see us as needing a little help from government psychiatrists?

Obama himself, far from the bipartisan spirit promised — indeed, even the respect expected from the officeholder — mocks opposing opinions. He did it recently by ridiculing those who listen to Rush Limbaugh and he did it during his “town hall” meeting in Arnold, Missouri, to mark his first 100 days. He cast tea party participants as those “waving tea bags around.” His assertion then that he would be happy to have a “conversation” about federal spending and his warning that while “we have to tighten belts, [we] have to do it in an intelligent way” were audacious displays of disdain for Americans in light of his midnight-3:00 p.m. push-through of the “stimulus” bill. Does he think we have forgotten how much time he gave Congress to sign a bill over a thousand pages long — and after promising five days for public review of all bills?

In light of the events of just the first 100 days, we should be worried.

Those who would be concerned about Obama’s anti-America rhetoric and friendliness to world dictators, as well as appointments of advisors who believe international law should trump American law, might very well and quite logically fear “a world government that would usurp the sovereignty of the United States and its Constitution, thus infringing upon their liberty.” But it’s a belief that Homeland Security casts as extreme.

There is nothing in Obama’s background to suggest a love for his country, from the church he attended for twenty years to his work for the subversive ACORN to his law school teaching of anti-constitutional critical race theory courses. Obama rivals the tyrants of history in his race to nationalize companies and banks. Although he asserted during his town hall meeting that he has no interest in running companies, he has forced financial institutions to accept TARP money and then refused to allow them to pay that money back. He has fired the top GM executive and forced the merger of Chrysler with a foreign car company. He told bank executives that only he stands between them and the “pitchforks” — after Soros-supported “protesters” showed up at executives’ homes days earlier. The repeated refrains by Obama and his administration that “we won” to upbraid dissenters reveal a profound divergence from the traditional notions of national service. This refrain is suited to the leader of a coup.

Just like the war on terror it is taking time for the American people to realize that their government is at war with them. We still cannot believe that the current government is taking us down the totalitarian path all in the name of making things more fair. Each step whether it is firing a private company’s CEO to owning companies in partnership with their political allies, to parcelling out billions of dollars of our money to their political friends to continue the subversive destruction of our political system – takes us one step closer to a totalitarian state. We might not see the formal palace coup where Mr. Obama and his ilk take complete control – but we will see the institutionalization of the left’s political legacy in every facet of our government.

Obama is not the start of this process – only the logical extension of what has been going on since the 1970′s. The tactics of the left were carefully disguised through environmental controls to social controls to ultimately economic controls. All were carefully orchestrated to lull us into a fall sense that each of these actions were done to make our lives better (and all we had to do was surrender a little bit of our freedoms with each taking by the government).

To maintain all of this the left took control of our educational system, our news sources and our government bureacracy. Then through our legislative processes they carefully eliminated our choice – not by outright banning but by imposing controls on the sources that either made our choices too expensive or made the manufacturing of these choices too difficult. Remember the gas prices last summer? This came about because for over 30 years the left systematically eliminated large sources of U.S. owned reserves and the ability to process those reserves into useable products. At no time did they say that we can’t drive cars or buy SUVs. Yet they did say the in order to save the environment they had to restrict our ability to utilize our own natural resources.

We are now on a path that may become irreversible if we don’t act soon. The Republican party is not the answer since they have never had the courage to actually roll back the omnipresent federal government. At best they may try to slow down the rate of growth – but never say we have gone too far and must take it back.

The tea parties were a start but of little real political significance unless they turn into political action. At least for now we still have the ability to recall our elected representatives and hold them accountable for what they have done over the past 100 days. Massive recalls of vulnerable members of the house and U.S. Senators (including the one who has not yet been seated from the last election) will send a powerful message to current incumbents that we are indeed angry. It will also set up the 2010 election with a clear message that those candidates who have the political courage to not only say STOP but are ready, willing and able to roll it back are the real American peoples choice. Now that is they kind of change that I can believe in.

Wow, Mary. You nailed it. It’s a dark time for America, we really need to keep our candles lit. Thanks.

1. “Intellectuals have the arrogance to believe that they can use their brains to tell humanity how to conduct its affairs. In so doing, they turn their backs on natural law, inherited wisdom, and the religious background that have traditionally defined the aims of society. … They find it hard to admit that there is a higher authority than their own judgment; they have a deep-rooted and tremendously powerful arrogance.”

Powerful quote–spot on! How the dark hates the light. They live in a constant state of rebellion. They have to destroy everything that bears evidence of higher authority than themselves, be it moral, ethical or certainly religious. They are driven by negative emotions and destructive tendencies–and in its furor this defiant rebellious mindset always resorts to oppression. We see good and bad, good and evil–they read the story of Cain and Abel and see it as a class on how to level the playing field.

2. “This administration is arrogant enough to believe that they can mock and intimidate the opposition into submission.” Arrogance, haughty disdain–why couldn’t the Obamavoters see this from the beginning? Can’t you hear the RabidRev. Wright just ringing in your ears? Obummer did for 20!!

3. “Their report was intended to get the moderates in the Republican Party to distance themselves from conservatives so as not to be labeled “extremist.”
-the silence from the Republicans on all this is deafening. From the reports of the thuggery from the White House coming out maybe they really are scared.
Pitiful excuses for leadership, any way you look at it.
They apparently know the formula–good men, do nothing…evil triumphs.

This administration is arrogant enough to believe that they can mock and intimidate the opposition into submission.

Mockery and intimidation may be successful tactics on people who are more like BHO, they desperately want to be liked, can’t handle criticism and think that talk is the ultimate weapon. Bring it on, Sunshine.

Until he suspends the right to assemble, to vote and free speech, I’ll try to give him and Janet something to worry about. I don’t agree with his ideas and the direction he wants to take this country. I don’t think that makes me extreme, I think it makes me patriotic.

Wow, paranoia like this is common on nut-job blogs from the left and the right but to read it here is very sad. The author has a Ph.D. in English yet an amazing inability to read. Ma’am go back and read the DHS report once you understand the words “some”, “may” and “could”. Nowhere did it say conservatives are extremists or dangerous. The simple fact is that anyone paying attention KNOWS that the next wave of violence in this country will be from the right. If you bothered to read what flows from the white power groups, some of the anti-gay religious groups, some of the anti-immigration groups etc. you would see that the hostility and hate is growing and the election of a non-Aryan, liberal President has thrown gasoline on the fire.

There are legitimate concerns about some of the actions of Obama’s but until you can separate that message from the ridiculous hysteria demonstrated in this article you will never be heard. Fact is, Wright hates the USA no more than the right wing preachers who have been predicting doom for decades. Obama’s “contempt” for the middle class is no different than that of the rich white men who have been running the country. The poor blogger whose website was visited by DHS should take a look at the spying that the Bush admin did on peaceful groups whose only “sin” was that they disagreed with him. Fact is, Michelle Obama scares you because you can’t keep her in her “proper” place, the same reason you hated Hillary.

The incredible din of whining from the right that has been heard since before Obama was sworn in will drown out legitimate and important concerns that we all should be paying attention to. Grow up, for the time being you are not in control. Deal with it and try to do something positive rather than acting just as ludicrous as the Bush haters did for the last 8 years. If you truly love the US, act like it and fight the real threats.

Nut Dave 2–what?
“Fact is, Wright hates the USA no more than the right wing preachers who have been predicting doom for decades.” You consider that a fact? You’re deliberate ignorance and negative stereotyping is more mindless than I thought.

“Obama’s “contempt” for the middle class is no different than that of the rich white men who have been running the country.” Wow, you guys DO feed on class envy. Sorry for whatever happened to you growing up. It’s not too late.

“The poor blogger whose website was visited by DHS should take a look at the spying that the Bush admin did on peaceful groups whose only “sin” was that they disagreed with him.”
Peaceful groups? He was looking for genuine terrorists in a time of war. What’s with you? Your relativism really is a disease. It just doesn’t make any sense. Obama’s after political opponenents–you don’t see that? And how do you explain changing all the terms for terrorism and our enemies–rectifying hate speach perpetrated by that nasty Bush?

“Fact is, Michelle Obama scares you because you can’t keep her in her “proper” place, the same reason you hated Hillary.” Say it–c’mon, say it. We’re all racist sexist pigs. Now, report back to Garafolo.

“The incredible din of whining from the right that has been heard since before Obama was sworn in will drown out legitimate and important concerns that we all should be paying attention to.”
Yes–I wish those prisoners in the dungeon would shut up too–can’t eat my cake with all that noise.

Now, what legitimate concerns are we talking about? Oh yeah, the “restructuring and redistribution”…let’s see, now that it’s quiet we can get about our business….

What Obama would do when in power was so obvious, given his past associations, his rhetoric, his “change” and “hope” campaign, slogans must misused in other controversial mass movements of yore.

That he was not a friend of the US, government or not, or what it represented for much of its history, was also very obvious, but still he got all these votes. Those who voted for him that now know they should not have, are experiencing a great hangover, but it is too late. We all have to concentrate in the immediate future, on how to bring back those who care for America and how to boot out this sorry ass in 4 years, ACORN notwithstanding.

You should have begun and ended with “There are legitimate concerns about some of the actions of Obama.”

I have no interest in Obama’s People’s Republic of America. I want my government to stick to its limited, enumerated powers. Since most of what he is doing is an illegal usurpation of my rights, I’m concerned.

Nobody “knows” where the next wave of violence will come from, or if it will come–this claim from #9 is just a way of putting in place the distinction between those who “are paying attention” (smart people like me) and those who aren’t (dumb rubes like you). The DHS report and those who defend it thoughtlessly and narcissistically assume that only people driven by hate could be against Obama. This is what makes it dangerous: if there are specific websites and organizations making threats or committing crimes then investigate them. But once you “predict” who is going to turn violent you just reveal your own prejudices and hatreds or, even worse, a deliberate political strategy to bully your opponents. I suspect that law enforcement has enough to do keeping up with genuine criminal activity and doesn’t have the time to amuse itself with imagined possibilities.

I thought Dr. Mary Grabar’s comments were quite correct. I must disagree with “Not Dave 2″, he should not allow his sexual orientation to be the controlling factor in his judgements. There are isolated incidents of hate crimes, but there are far more children being sexually assualted and murdered by gays than there are gays being assualted and killed in hate crimes. I know Dave would write that those are pedophiles, not gays, but the distinction is only drawn to protect the gay community, political correctness.

I know of no organized religious movement that would execute gays, except for Muslims. I know of no one who is anti-immigration, when it is done legally, as under the law. Hate is not growing, distrust of those in power who ignore the law is.

The real threats to the US are the infringements on our Constitutional rights, and the imposition of Sociailism.

There’s nothing conservative about right-wing extremists. I’ve read many wet dreams in the comments on this site about Texas seceding, about armed overthrow of the totalitarian government, about “going galt” and withdrawing from the world or moving out of the country. None of that is “conservative.” Instead of finding common cause with the extremists, REAL conservatives should push back on that stuff. But nah…much better to embrace the extremists.

The issuance of the Homeland report about the right wing potential for violence just before the tea parties indicates a degree of political sophistication that bears close scrutiny. Only communists and anarchists are so well skilled in manipulation. These tactics put Carl Rove to shame.

The manner in which these decision are reached is instructive as well. Discussions are held with premises that exclude values, ideals, goals, limits of knowledge, and consequences to the general population. The underlying theme of these discussions is how to further the limited goals of policy implementation and electoral success. Here is the face of evil. When there is no one to say, “Gee, that course of action would really hurt a lot of people who have no access to the decision-making process,” you know you have reached the social marxist zone.

It was instead disingenuously implied. There was simply no rational reason to highlight the relatively low risk of ultraconservative violence. Islamic radicalism remains our number one threat—by far. Janet Napolitano obviously wishes to distract the American citizenry to advance a political agenda. Let us also not forget that this report was released while the tea party activists were becoming prominent. I’m sure it is no coincidence.

Not Dave 2, it is you who seems unable to read. I guess you have supped the Obama Kool-Aid. The evidence is overwhelming. Obama has been reared a radical socialist from youth, and has studied, taught, and employed Alinsky’s radical tactics (from Rules for Radicals) in his working life. Now he’s using them as (America’s first inelegible) President.

It doesn’t take hysterical whining from “white power groups” to see what’s going on. All it takes is history. The youtube flicks of Obama’s speeches and Hitler’s speeches are chilling in their similarity of style, content, and crown reaction. Then you get down to his tactics, which are indeed a focused process meant to divide and conquer not only the shreds of the Republican party, but the country as a whole. Or what used to be a whole. And yes, this process has been going on for a very long time. Some elements of this country have wanted to replace the democratic/capitalist country on this continent with their version of communism.

It’s ironic, isn’t it, that NBC designated the states that voted Republican as “Red States”–and we have not only put up with that, but have accepted it into our own lexicon?

The Factor (not me) doesn’t quite believe the whining and victimhood emanating from the right . . .

Did any of you happen to notice or care about Homeland Security’s mention of “left wing extremism?” It describes them as people who “embrace a number of radical philosophical components of anticapitalist, antiglobalization, communist, socialist, and other movements.” That seems equally sweeping. Critics of the right wing memo also decry the description of “right wing extremists” as violence-prone. But the left wing memo — which is dated January 26th — also explicitly warns of violence from left wing extremists.

“Many leftwing extremists use the tactic of direct action to inflict economic damage on businesses and other targets to force the targeted organization to abandon what the extremists deem objectionable,” it says. “Direct actions range from animal releases, property theft, vandalism, and cyber attacks — all of which extremists regard as nonviolent — to bombings and arson.”

Why didn’t I hear about this on Fuk Snooze?

As for #7 LeighB she says . . . “I don’t agree with his ideas and the direction he wants to take this country. I don’t think that makes me extreme, I think it makes me patriotic.”

Oh, LeighB, LeighB, LeighB . . . hope you enjoyed your eight-year nap. Your quote is EXACTLY what the left and liberals had been saying about W while you snoozed. Guess what. Nobody on the right listened or cared. They just called us unpatriotic extremists. Tell me, why do you think you deserve to be treated any differently?

“They [intellecuals] find it hard to admit that there is a higher authority than their own judgment; they have a deep-rooted and tremendously powerful arrogance.”

This is little more than a rehash of the same argument that was proferred during the Age of Enlightenment. It was wrong then; it is wrong now. “Intellectuals” reckoned that man sets his own course and is not governed by a god or the gods. All scientific inquiry since then has proven the truth of this: the earth isn’t the center of the universe, man’s existence came about via the natural process of evolution, and so on. Not *once* has any christian/religious dispute with science regarding the nature of the reality been proven in favour of the religious.

Surely it’s possible for you to write an essay without (mis)playing the religion card? Ummm…. no, it’s not. This is all you have. Your entire argument is little more than a silly attempt at muckraking by invoking christian persecution: “they’re out to get us!”

No wonder the left paints non-socialists as nutjobs. You can’t even write an essay that contains an original thought.

Virtually everything you needed to see in the socialista arsenal in one post. Dave’s got it allllll nailed. BTW Dave2 , I’ll bet DHS is watching these “white power” sites too. you might want to use your mom’s computer.

I don’t see what the problem is. This is essentially a DHS analysis that came out the Bush Administration, it identifies the (obvious and, frankly, historically known) potential sources of violence and terrorism from the Right, and it follows a companion analysis that identified the likeliest sources of violence from the Left, including ecoterrorists.

This is a big “Duh!” as far as deep, dark revelations go, but it obviously has the Rex88 conspiracy loons and the violence-minded patriots-with-guilty-consciences in a tizzy. How quickly they forget J. Edgar Hoover, who bugged BOTH SIDES, indiscriminately, and NEVER would have tipped them off by publishing a list. The fact that DHS made their findings public in a tepid document full of qualifiers and caveats — rather than arresting every PJM reader in the middle of the night — actually seems to militate against knee-jerk hyperventilation.

Oh, and “natural law, inherited wisdom, and the religious background that have traditionally defined the aims of society” — WTF? Don’t you mean “irrelevant models, non-logical inferences, prejudices and superstitions?” It does no honor to dress up ignorance and a lazy mind with appeals to Hobbes, The Farmer’s Almanack and “Godspell.”

Notdave needs to remove his ideological blinders and read the document, if such commentaries were written identifying Blacks and Hispanics there would be such a din across the media as to leave the impression that there was no other news.

The danger of the document is not that people already think this way, it is the fact that the document gives legitimate intellectual cover to those who would actively discriminate, deselect and criminalize. I wrote this to the NY Post regarding Ralph Peter’s evisceration of the document:

“As usual Mr Peters dispenses with tirade and goes after the meat of the issue, this overeagerness to paint those who sacrifice as less intelligent, and easily manipulated by the forces of the radical right. Add to that the lack of proofs, events, or even the names of organizations and you have a document that seeks to subtly change the perceptions of it\’s target audience, the law enforcement community and employers.. It\’s tough enough to get employers (who should know better) to seriously consider hiring transitioning service-members, a paper like this (through slander and innuendo) enables those who would discriminate to have a rationale. It enables those who already have an agenda prepared to demonize these troops to have cover from a \”government\” organization charged to \”protect\” the nation. Finally it starts the trend of rationalia required to alter individual rights and freedoms. This is a dangerous document”.

Attacking core philosophies as threat enables the regime to demonize the “ideologies”, how long is it before members of (whatever) faith are identified thusly?

My frame of reference is the Military community (which I am part of and work with every day). The ease with which HR “Professionals” would passively discriminate against us (before) was frustrating, this document provides grounds for the “rationalia” that (perhaps for some) was visceral, this only makes things worse.

There’s no way that even you believe what you’re trying to get us to believe.

Of course that “report” doesn’t explicitly say “conservatives=terrorists.” It does worse than that: It equates people who have legitimate concerns about real policy directions taken by Obama’s administration with terrorists. The most offensive part of the whole thing was its singling out of veterans returning from Iraq and Afghanistan as people of particular concern for law enforcement, as if they were all in the Middle East committing criminal acts (which is, I’m sure, how Barack and Michelle would like to have them viewed).

Dr. Grabar explains all this very well in her post. I think it is you, and not she, who needs to learn to read.

“The simple fact is that anyone paying attention KNOWS that the next wave of violence in this country will be from the right.”

Well this is nothing more than an article of pseudo-religious dogma, with a little bit of bogus social pressure (“anyone paying attention KNOWS”) thrown in to try and reinforce it. No, everyone does NOT know this, and the people who are educated, who pay attention to events and who are honest with themselves and other people know that the “violence” is already being carried out against individual rights and liberties.

Maybe you’re just a beginner, but the sophistry you use to try to carry your argument is comically amateurish.

“The author has a Ph.D. in English yet an amazing inability to read. Ma’am go back and read the DHS report once you understand the words “some”, “may” and “could”.”

Yes, thanks for pointing out how the language of this report reveals it is nothing but frivolous speculation. Don’t worry, that’s not a point that’s lost on us. We also notice the report’s characterization of ‘right wing extremists’ as people who worry about attacks on the constitution, gun rights, illegal immigration. In other words, the cowardly left broadly condemn those who hold mainstream conservative views as possible extremists and as a risk to national security. And we also notice the impeccable timing from the Obama administration to leak this report in response to the tea party protests.

Perhaps Obama is such a narcissist that he doesn’t notice he rules like a totalitarian dictator. Perhaps he genuinely believes that no one could possibly disagree with him for legitimate reasons. It doesn’t really matter why he does this, he is obviously telling us that he will not tolerate anyone disagreeing with him, and he is willing to intimidate American citizens who show political dissent.

The best way to deal with this is to mock those who carry on with this tactic. At every opportunity conservative leaders and commentators need to mention how their views meet the current administration’s definition of a ‘right wing extremist’. Conservatives need to push the point until the White House and MSM are too ashamed to use this language in public.

We should all fear the power of the Federal government, be it run by Republicans or Democrats. This is what our founders preached and warned us about.
Does anybody really believe the Constitution really applies or matters any longer.
You live in a fantasy if you do.

sick, sorry, deluded,
hate crime legislation designed to help us “understand” pedophiles
same sex marriage
quoting alinsky in speeches
average americans designated as potential “threats”
scotus appointments of touchy feely socialists/marxists
open disdain of working class americans/white people
nationalization of industries/banks
reparations on the way/called some generic type name to confuse the issue
openly bowing to a islamofacist
birth certificate “issues”
1 billion dollars to a known terrorist group
cancel vital defense programs
“citizen” brigades
outing intelligence agents/show trials
attempt to curb distribution of ammunition for public consumption

this is a partial list
how long does this have to continue
just how long before it is too late
HOW LONG
I WANT A ANSWER

Grow up, for the time being you are not in control. Deal with it and try to do something positive rather than acting just as ludicrous as the Bush haters did for the last 8 years. — Nut Dave 2

In response to the stupid polemic by Nut Dave 2 and as evidence that he is more stupid—or worse—than he seems, I offer this little bit of ‘compare and contrast’ about the crucial differences between Bush and Obama…..

You linked today to a Washington Examiner editorial regarding the dismissive statements made by the Obama administration on the tax protests. What struck me about the statement from President Obama was how much change there has been from the days of that Darth Vader of civil liberties, President Bush. I can’t recall a single instance during his eight years where President Bush derided American citizens who took to the streets to protest his administration. In fact, I think that President Bush always acknowledged the right of citizens to disagree with him and he was always respectful of that dissent. If Obama’s mocking of dissent is the change he promised I don’t think I like it. — UPDATE: Reader Marc Greendorfer emails @ Instapundit

What is more troubling is not that they state the intention of purging the community of those viewed as radical, but that such ideologues as Napolitano are being allowed to set the definitions. It seems while the current White House embraces former radicals who committed actual crimes in the name of the Weather Underground, middle class people concerned about their children’s futures are labeled as radical. It’s like the scene from Alice in Wonderland where one syrup makes you bigger and one wafer makes you smaller. It’s too subjective and that makes it dangerous. Is it just me, or do I feel the cold winds of a totalitarian regime in the making? Sadly, those regimes usually fall only after bloodshed. I hope that’s not where we are headed.

What makes me worry even more are the language, the tone, and the attitude of the trolls posting here (and of the bots on the MSM): they show that they have deeply misunderstood EVERYTHING important of our Republic,that they cultivate a factious spirit, anger, and hopes for a “revenge” against God knows what …(???their own stupidity ????).
These mobs are the necessary ingredient to build any kind of fascist regime (socialist, social-democrat, commie… the degree of folly does not matter).

I keep hoping in the good will and the intelligence of our Senators and Representatives: I know that many commies have been elected in the last few years but they are still a minority.
The large majority of Americans and of Congressmen is surely faithful to the Constitution, I hope that they will show it before it is too late, before the dreams of civil war cultivated by the radicals bring our wonderful Country to a catastrophe.

You better believe conservative websites are being monitored! Big brotha is watching us right wing extremists. Well, I am a proud right wing extremist who was swinging around tea bags on February 27th and April 15th. I will be doing the same with 50,000 Dallas/Ft. Worth patriots (right wing extremists to our Constitution hating present leaders) on July 4th. Freedom!!! Fear the tea party!

To all my critics who claim that the Right Wing Extremist report was ordered under the Bush administration, this may be so, but this is clearly a document of the Obama administration. For example, under “Key Findings” on page 2, we read, “Rightwing extremists have capitalized on the election of the first African American president, and are focusing their efforts to recruit new members, mobilize existing supporters, and broaden their scope and appeal through propaganda, but they have not yet turned to attack planning.”

This is a very curious statement, for there have been a couple reports of white supremacists who were upset about Obama’s candidacy, and they were arrested because they were caught PLANNING. Surely, these are a legitimate focus of prosecution.

The current DHS, therefore, is ADMITTING to engaging in speculation about a group so broadly described as to include all conservatives. Furthermore, they attribute racism to us; they imply that we may BEGIN planning. No action yet. No plans even yet. So this seems to be a preemptive order, an attempt to read the tea leaves or minds.

And what do they mean by “propaganda,” I wonder? If we’re not planning any attacks, then could it be that we’re simply disseminating political opinions? And how do they define “propaganda”? Is it any opinion of the targeted people who share the characteristics of conservatives (except for the racism that DHS smears us with)? I find this passage to be quite interesting.

The report on Left Wing Extremism differs, though, because it targets specific groups and tactics that have already been used. It describes specific grievances of these groups.

sit down and read a copy of our Constitution (if you have a copy). Your paranoia is our recognition of facism racing into our country on the backs of folks like you. Oh, yeah, you better read up on what facism is too. I’m quite sure you don’t really know

So Chuck, your years of service should have given you more wisdom that to resort to threats of violence against those who disagree with you. 99.99999% of those who have served our country and deserve our thanks would never consider violence against US citizens an answer. Then there’s those like Chuck. And y’all try to say DHS is wrong? Oh and Chuckie, #41 isn’t slightly related to anything I said, try reading.

jjkrn – “I WANT A ANSWER” – try looking at reality, stop ignorant judgment and perhaps a little therapy thrown in. Maybe you could car pool with RWS. When you start a list with hate crimes and SSM you reveal that rationality is not one of your strong points.

#18 – since I never mentioned anything about my sexual orientation or hate crimes legislation you just revealed exactly what YOUR problem is.

“Say it–c’mon, say it. We’re all racist sexist pigs.”

No, I wouldn’t call you pigs. And being scared doesn’t make you racist or sexist, just scared.

“The DHS report and those who defend it thoughtlessly and narcissistically assume that only people driven by hate could be against Obama. ” Not at all Prospero, I accept that there are many reasons why one would be against him and defend your right to those reasons and to shout them loud and clear. Only people driven by hate would take the next step and there’s nothing wrong with someone pointing out areas where that hate might arise. And I’m not speaking from prejudices or hate or spouting stereotypes. I’m speaking from the standpoint of one who has watched what is going on, has read the websites, listened to the rhetoric and observed that mainstream “conservatism” does NOTHING about it, and in fact many comments on here show that they will defend and justify much of it.

As Herb said, “Instead of finding common cause with the extremists, REAL conservatives should push back on that stuff.”

Wake up kiddies, you are experts at playing “us against them” and it’s time you stopped.

Bush had “derided” some of the nuts and liars who hounded his administration and him personally, as they deserved to be, things might be very different now.

Truth is, there’s a huge difference between deriding the people who disagree with you and asking law enforcement, as a matter of national security, to keep an eye on people who disagree with you. — Juvenal

Correlates well with the comments made by John Hawkins….

When I was in college, I studied Southern Long Fist Kung Fu for more than a year and my teacher told me something that I never forgot. He said that when you’re being attacked, the aggressor sets the rules and if you want to survive, you have to play by those rules. In other words, if your opponent is trying to cut your head off with a sword while you’re trying not to hurt him, chances are that you’re going to end up dead. This is a lesson that conservatives can and should apply to politics. — John Hawkins

The point being, here, that you respond to the attack in the form and nature of the attack itself.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. I’m seeing the pattern of attack used by Lenin in the 1920s after the kulaks—too busy running their ‘business as usual’—failed to defeat him and his Red Army during the Russian Civil War after the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917.

In the end, the kulaks were all marched off to ‘re-education’ camps, from which few returned ‘re-educated’. The rest died from the training pogrom.

27 Sheesh
‘It describes them as people who “embrace a number of radical philosophical components of anticapitalist, antiglobalization, communist, socialist, and other movements.” That seems equally sweeping. Critics of the right wing memo also decry the description of “right wing extremists” as violence-prone. But the left wing memo — which is dated January 26th — also explicitly warns of violence from left wing extremists.’

Actually it describes them as “groups or individual who embrace redical elements of the anarchist, animal-rights and environmental movements”. The definition of RW extremist uses no qualifiers such as “embrace radial elements”, but it does cite “adherents” to viewspoints that are fairly common among conservatives. That is the broad brush difference. Your claim that the LW version also warns agianst violence from LW groups is factually false. The report goes out of its way to emphasize the non-violent nature of LW groups-most of the threat definition centers around cyber crimes. Just do a word count of the following words in each version.

“Oh, LeighB, LeighB, LeighB . . . hope you enjoyed your eight-year nap. Your quote is EXACTLY what the left and liberals had been saying about W while you snoozed. Guess what. Nobody on the right listened or cared. They just called us unpatriotic extremists. Tell me, why do you think you deserve to be treated any differently?”

Conservatives did not call people who “disagreed with” GWB unpatriotic. They called people who releasied classified military intel or stood on a pulpit reciting propaganda talking points of the enemy in a time of war treasonous. Big difference. But of course many liberals think that engaging in treasonous behaviour is in fact patriotic, so the distinction is probably lost on them.

So Chuck, your years of service should have given you more wisdom that to resort to threats of violence against those who disagree with you. 99.99999% of those who have served our country and deserve our thanks would never consider violence against US citizens an answer. — Nut Dave 2

….you don’t understand:

[1] English and/or
[2] rhetoric

Did I ‘threaten’ you? Why is that? Are you an enemy of the Constitution of the United States? Why am I suddenly reminded of the dinner party at House Atredes on Arakis? Where someone ‘holds up a general garment’ and someone ‘jumps up’ and makes like it was ‘made to fit’ them?

How is that? I do believe I quoted you accurately in Item #41, where you said….

Grow up, for the time being you are not in control. Deal with it and try to do something positive rather than acting just as ludicrous as the Bush haters did for the last 8 years. — Nut Dave 2 @ Item #9, paragraph 3

Look who’s talking about “try reading”. But still and all, it correlates well with my comment about you’re problems with ‘English’ in the RE: above in this comment.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. Thanks for proving my point with your own finger-tips…..

If you truly love the US, act like it and fight the real threats. — Nut Dave 2

And maybe the rest of US SHOULD look more closely for the “real threats”. Indeed, I think we are becoming more and more aware of them on a daily basis.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Our safety, our liberty, depends upon preserving the Constitution of the United States as our fathers made it inviolate. The people of the United States are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. -- Abraham Lincoln]

“As for hoping in the goodwill of other elected officials: Are you kidding?”

Well, no, I am not kidding.
If the budget will pass as it is, it will be the end of America as we know it: free economy will suffer a deadly blow.
If the policies of appeasement will be approved, America will receive another deadly blow.
If the general “regime-building” work of the Obavez administration will be allowed to go on we will not have free elections in any foreseeable future.

And unluckily there is not (YET ??????) a HUGE mass movement to stop these attacks against Freedom and America.

I MUST hope in the honesty of the elected officials.
If they will fail us, we are bound to a civil war, the trolls make it very clear with every single post here and with every single declaration on the MSM.
Hence, I keep hoping in the “impossible”.

The Light of God can ALWAYS enlighten a soul…if that soul opens its gates to that Light.

…. are you just mentally handicapped… or full on retard. The leftist report reported REAL facts on REAL groups that do REAL damage. Many of these groups have ppl on the FBI’s most wanted list… in fact I believe 7 of the 10 most wanted are left winger eco-terror nut jobs.

Left wing terror groups on avg do 10 million to 100 million dollars worth of damage EVERY YEAR. Can you tell me what rightwing groups do anywhere near that type of damage? Can you tell me where rightwing groups have done anything? Most of the rightwing groups hide in the mountains and do everything they can do AVOID ppl can contact with ppl. Most leftwing groups actively seek out to attack ppl, places and objects and destroy them. Name me 1 massive rightwing attack/burning/damage to the public in the last 5 year and I can name you a good 10-15 massive attacks by leftwingers.

In fact I’ll name them now.
Leftwing eco-terrorist burned down roughly 40 middle homes in CA. Each home was worth roughly 200k… thats almost 1 million dollars of damage in 1 attack.
Leftwing eco-terrorists attack car deallerships and set SUVs on fire(believe it was also CA) causing roughly 2 millions dollars in damage.
Leftwing racists/bigots attacks and commit hate crimes against mormons, christians, voters and so forth after prop 8 was passed. They likely would have lynched ppl if not for the fear of police stopping them. They repeatably attacked/harassed and intimated anyone who disagreed with their OPINION and didn’t vote the way they wanted them to.

Please do inform me where have rightwing attacks created millions of dollars with of damages?

The leftwing reports nothing of the racist actions of the left, the leftwing report reports history and facts… the rightwing reports a long fricking time ago history with zero facts. White supremacist number roughly 5,000 according to the FBI… 5,000 ppl. Leftwing eco-terrorist allow number in the 10k+. That doesn’t include all the leftwing hate groups and the rest.

Yet the whole rightwing report is based solely on linking white racists and rightwing “ideals” together to make them look the same. Any idiot reading it could see it was designed to place the 2 together. Their isn’t 1 mention of hate groups on the left… and if anyone knows history most hate groups are leftwing and normally attached to the democrat party. Be it everything from the KKK to the black panthers they started democrat and almost always vote democrat. This is once again basic history.

I would also point to the fact that you are right in one point… the future violence will come from the right… just like in 1936 germany the future violence will come from the jews….

To 53. Not Dave 2

“As Herb said, “Instead of finding common cause with the extremists, REAL conservatives should push back on that stuff.”

I find it amusing how the “rightwingers” must “reject” sane thought… but leftwinger give cabnit positions and so forth to their extremists and are mouth pieces to them…

When will leftwinger push back against their extremists and nutjobs… groups like ELF, PETA and a host of others are all but openly endorsed and worshiped by the leftwing… and those are just the eco-terrorist are committing real terrorism… that doesn’t include hundreds of other groups committing terror and lynchings by lawyers all across the US.

Not Dave . . . there is a huge difference in identifying left groups generically, and identifying particular “rights” that are being argued (by some). The act of spiking a tree in the northwest is one designed to hurt or kill the forestry workers (anonymous terrorism?). The act of releasing experimental animals (possibly being dangerous ones) is an act of disobedience? Or terror? Firebombing a car/truck dealership (putting the lives of locals and firefighters at risk) is an act of civil disobedience or terror? These are the acts not particularly defined as “Terrorist”, in the DHS document Timothy McVeigh is the prototype, template, and only example presented of the future “radicalized” returning troops . . . on one hand we have acts perpetrated (by a very small group) over 14 years ago, on the other we have acts of “disobedience” (?) being perpetrated now . . . which threat is theory and which is real NOW?

Much easier to define the “opposition” as racist “tea baggers” (I still do not understand the humor of the term) capable of being national threat, than to engage in honest argument (I know, honesty and politics is an oxymoronic phrase).

Not Dave, when we tolerate the demonization (and criminalization) of entire groups of people, what happens when they come for you? The reason we have much of the Democrat party being rolled up without so much as a whimper is it’s happening to someone else, but, with informal “enforcement” through quasi-political/quasi-criminal/Union movements (really organized racketeers) like ACORN and SEIU, who can afford to stand up?

99.99999% of those who have served our country and deserve our thanks would never consider violence against US citizens an answer. — Nut Dave 2

Would you care to place a bit of a ‘wager’ on that?

I’ve been to TEA Parties. I’d say that about 50-60% of the participants on 15 April were indicating pride in THEIR military service. I was particularly impressed with the numbers wearing US Marine memorabilia. And many of them were younger than MY 27 years of service.

I think you’re ‘whistling past the graveyard’, here Nut-Dave-2.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Fear rather the mage amongst his books than the dragon in its lair.]

Thank you Mary for continuing to speak out. It seems that part of the plaan is to creat so many issues that people will lose focus and become to tired to fight. It’s like I’m seeing a great battle using psychological warfare against America.

….I don’t expect Nut Dave 2 to accept any wager. Why? Because I doubt if he can understand a concept such as “Duty. Honor. Country.”

He’s just another hypocritical character who does what he thinks he can get away with in order to promote his own personal agenda. And the rest of the people in this country can be d—–d, for all he cares. Just as long as his ‘team’ wins.

Sane thought isn’t the issue, if you can’t tell true conservatism from the hate groups than you (we) are truly in trouble.

“….you don’t understand:

[1] English and/or
[2] rhetoric”

No Chuck, I understand you completely and just a reminder – how we “deal with it” in this country is by voting, try and remember that.

Yes, you did quote me but your response is not related, I’m talking about the ridiculous behavior of those opposed to the Presidents, past and present. In a few short weeks y’all have gone way over the top with your predictions of doom, gloom, collapse and overthrow. It’s insanity and it’s exactly that insanity that creates the potential for actions and reactions that this country will not recover from. You are intent on playing the victim and in time the “victim” can justify any action against the “oppressor”. Braindead comparisons to dictators or Nazi Germany are nothing more than inflammatory BS thrown about for one reason. To demonize your “opponents”. When you look at your fellow citizens as the ENEMY then there are no boundaries to what comes next. If you do not take an honest look at the tone and harshness of the “conservative” rhetoric right now you will unleash what you cannot control. Violent leftwing groups have been brought up and the statement was made that mainstream left doesn’t “pushback” on them. True, but if conservatism is so much better and so much saner then PROVE IT.

I’m taking a very simple approach to these Obama supporters and what they’re doing: Just say no. No material support. I don’t and won’t assist or get involved with them in any way. We’ve actually had a group that fed the hungry go underground to keep them from hijacking our larger purpose. “Just say no” works in lots of way. No, I won’t be in town to work on your project. No, I can’t have dinner with you this evening. No, I’m reading other stuff than your book club. &c. No. No. No.

i would just like to apologize my vote. i like many of my friends who voted for obama are now regretting it and we are scared at the change happening in america for the worst. a lot of us are wishing we could take our votes back and start over. i am really sad over my stupid decision and i know some of you will probably be angry at me which is understandable but i would just like to say on behalf of me and others like me that i am truly sorry. i have never been this scared of my own leaders in my whole life. i hope the republicans can right some of the wrongs obama is doing before it is too late.
again i am so sorry and i will do what i can but i have always voted democrat and i bought obama without thinking hard or critically enough which i know is my and many of my camrades fault.
please forgive those of us who helped put us where we are right now. we are not all bad. everyone makes mistakes. unfortunately this was a big one. i really liked bill clinton but this is no bill clinton. most of my democrat friends are not hard core left minded people but we have gotten lazy and used to voting democrat without really analyzing the issues or the incumbents. we have become used to letting everyone else make the decisions for us and then we just vote d and that is that.
i am truly sad the veterans are being targeted as my own brother is still in iraq and when he comes home i do not want him to be some target just because he served his country. this makes me very very sad.
thank you for letting me comment here.

It’s an upside crazy world when:
1. The Chicoms and Vladimir Putin criticize the US for fiscal policy.
2. Holder says GITMO detainees can be released to a hotel.
3. The White House threatens a preferred Chrysler debtholder that the administration will use the “White House press corps” to drag him through the mud if he doesn’t take 29 cents on the dollar.
4. BHO listens to a 50 min tirade by Daniel Ortega and accepts an anti American book from Chavez
5. Democrats orchestrate a staged outrage against AIG bonuses and send ACORN thugs to intimidate AIG employees at home. Reichstag anyone?
6. Previous policy differences over interrogation techniques are to be criminalized.

I’ve never seen anything like this. We are getting close to a tipping point.

Unfortunately unless Hussein is removed from the oval office Americans will see the imposiiton of Stalin, Lenin, Mao and Pol Pot like governmental rule in America with the eventually mass murders of dissenters.

There is absolutely no comparison between the report on left wing extremism and right wing extremism. While the report on left wing extremism targeted specific groups with a specific type of illegal activity (mostly cyberterrorism) the report on right wing extremism was so broad and so vague that almost half the people in the country would qualify as right wing extremists under its claims.

As for the Obama/Soros version of the Reichstag fire, it may have already happened. How about the finanacial crisis that just happened to hit when McCain had pulled ahead in the polls, triggered by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, both of which are packed with Obama supporters.

For all who consider whether or not the federal government, vis-a-vis the DHS, has determined many of US who support the Constitution of the United States are threats to the ‘state’, here’s additional information as to WHAT they are ‘Thinking’….or rather ‘angling’.

Here’s the ‘interesting’ item….

“Rightwing extremism,” the lexicon defines as those “who can be broadly divided into those who are primarily hate-oriented, and those who are mainly antigovernment and reject federal authority in favor of state or local authority. — the article

So. By definition, anyone who believes in the Bill of Rights, specificlaly, the 10th Amendment therein, is an ‘enemy of the state’.

RE: Hey! Marines! Get THIS….

“Dress may include a shaved head or very short hair,” — the article

I’m reminded of a stupid comment made by then commander of 1-508 (ABN) IN when he suggested in the 1970s that anyone who parted his hair down the middle was a ‘radical’. That night at the O-club, one company commander of the ‘annointed’ persuasion, showed up with his hair parted in such a manner.

“What is it with these masculinised-looking Democrat broads?”
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They are the muscle for the Democrats emasculated “men-pretty boys” whatever. All to often Republican women have to step up and push out RINOs too but Conservative women tend to be good looking. At least that is how we Extremist look at it.

sheesh 27 – I am new to this site so I’d be surprised if you have any comments from me before 2009. I have been many things but rarely caught napping when it comes to politics. For the record, I voted for the Democratic candidate in 1984, 1988, 1992, 1996, 2000, and 2004. I am a centrist (Reagan & Hillary Democrat) and BHO was and is too far left, too much in favor of talk vs. action, and too vague to get my support. The incongruency between his words and actions is startling and on that, he is consistent.

56 Andrew, thanks for your post. My father served in WWII, as did my uncle who is buried in France. My brother was in the Navy and both grandfathers served in WWI. I did not always agree with Bush but I never doubted his patriotism. If the current labeling choices are “right wing extremist” or Obama supporter, I’ll take option #1.

1. If an attack against this country takes place it will focused upon a large LIBERAL population that is located near a large Jewish constituency.
(I don’t live in that which I have described)

2. The population group that will fuel any serious rebellion will be those who will be hurt the most. These folks will turn 180 on the ilk because they have been listening to militant diatribes for most of their lives and live out their programmed frustrations first.
(Blacks and Hispanics with a High School diploma or less)

3. My extra income will be put into gold, silver and tangible assets until the masses figure out how much of a rat Obama really is. Then he and those just like him, will get shown the alley.

4. I will keep my books and recording well protected so that I can consantly research the facts instead of the narcissistic fabrications that Obama continues to throw out there.

“He’s just another hypocritical character who does what he thinks he can get away with in order to promote his own personal agenda. And the rest of the people in this country can be d—–d, for all he cares. Just as long as his ‘team’ wins.”

Chuck: The implications of the officers’ oath if a President openly defies the Constitution of the United States are staggering. I’m sure something similar affected the outcome of Salvador Allende’s attempts to turn Chile into a socialist people’s republic in violation of the Chilean constitution — as you know doubt know, almost uniquely in South America, the Chilean military had a tradition of staying out of politics for over 100 years before it intervened.

People like Not Dave 2, and others on the left, are riding high right now as they move the country in directions those of us who opposed Bambi feared, but most of the people who voted form him did not believe could happen. The curious thing is that as much as the lefties use variations of street thuggery, as have communists and fascists, most American lefties (other than union thugs) neither have the familiarity with weapons nor the training to use them that the tens of millions of veterans have. It’s mostly people on the left, and their supporters, who fear firearms, and those on the right who not only embrace them but own them in significant numbers. Not Dave 2 should be careful what he wishes for….

The American people are slow to anger, but if the sleeping giant is awakened, there will be no going back. I think it was Sen. Phil Gramm who said that if Clintoncare passed, within 10 years people would be hunting Democrats with dogs….

#42: its a great talk Chuck, but it seems you use military allusions to denounce others while not having anything to back it up.

As asked elsewere, what have you ever done to justify all this tiresome bravado laced with military language? Ever been in real action?

Are your constant questions to others asking if they have ever put life on the line for the country something you’ve never done? Not sleeping under scratchy army blankets in the US or almost poking your eye out making a bed for inspection in Thailand. I mean what did you do to put your “life on the line” as you put it?

Or were you just the guy typing reports at some rear base trying to put a veneer of real action on your “time served” by all those remarks? I’m all for the military, but guys that puff up the experience to try and put others down–like John Kerry–have to expect some sharp questions. In fact, Kerry probably got more action than you, didn’t he?

You don’t have to answer, but frankly, all your tedious quotations and suggestions that others didn’t put their “life on the line” is meant to suggest that you did. I rather doubt it. None of the guys I know that were in action talk like you do.
So? How about it?

You’re claiming that veterans will take up arms against civilians? — G Alston

I suggest that those who swore their lives to defend the Constitution of the United States would defend the ideals of that document, as originally intended, against “….all enemies, foreign and domestic”.

Do you have problems with English as a tertiary language?

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples' liberty's teeth. -- George Washington]

Are your constant questions to others asking if they have ever put life on the line for the country something you’ve never done? Not sleeping under scratchy army blankets in the US or almost poking your eye out making a bed for inspection in Thailand. I mean what did you do to put your “life on the line” as you put it? — Saul A

The blankets weren’t all that ‘scratchy’.

As for ‘poking your eye out making a bed’, I had more ‘fun’ with venomous snakes and insects.

And as for ‘putting MY life on the line’…..

…how about, as I said, 27 years in the infantry.

I’ve been shot at, bombed, shelled, frostbitten, bones-broken and friend DIED in that time.

And I have to ask you….

….what the HELL have YOU done for US???!?!?!

I mean, besides being a bed-wetting little twit in the blogosphere?

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. The ‘guys you know’….

None of the guys I know that were in action talk like you do. — Saul A

Show us their names, grades, MOS’s, units, terms of service and other information. Then we might have something to ‘discuss’ about their ‘service’…..these ‘guys’ you talk about.

Otherwise, you’re just blowing ‘smoke’. And as a First Shirt I used to work with would put it…..

SAUL, ARE YOU TRYING TO SOUND LIKE THAT TYPICAL BRAVE SOUL ON THE LEFT SIDE? THE TYPE THAT USES ONE METHODOLOGY . . . DENY, DISTRACT AND COUNTER ACCUSE? The type that uses the criminal enterprises like ACORN to intimidate the opposition . . . and keep fellow travelers in line? The type that can’t answer questions, nor counter arguments without diatribe and personal attack? The type who demonizes any who disagree by calling them “Racists”, “Homophobes” (fear of men?), “Tea Baggers” . . . etc? Kerry was and is a class a phoney (s’all about John!!), about as genuine as his fellow traveler AlGore (the cardboard cutout masquerading as the son of one of the “Dixiecrat” leadership).

I’m sure in your company you’ve got the HR dept infused with the belief in the potential “radical” nature of possible former military hires. I’m sure your one that points at Vets who have difficulties adjusting using them as a rationale to say “See, that’s how they are”. I’m sure the DHS memo received an “Amen” chorus from you and your fellow travelers . . .

Well, once again, this conversation is sure to result in nobody’s mind being changed about anything.

I’ll just point out that proposing a resort to political violence in reaction to a report that suggests people might resort to political violence is a bit of a self-fulfilling prophesy. It’s a little bit like the essence of the Danish cartoon protests–”Don’t call us violent or we’ll kill you!”

Chuck, the ONLY ‘team’ I want to win is the United States of America. And that won’t happen if the little boys and girls on the right and the little boys and girls on the left don’t stop throwing sh*tballs at each other and actually work together against very real enemies who want to grind us into the ground.

It was Ayers and his cohorts who carried out bombings, killings, conspiracies, bank robberies, and talked about putting Americans into “re-education camps” and even killing those who refused to be re-educated.

Some of my fellow conservatives, including me, only talk about rebellion/civil war only as a last resort: when the political process has failed and our grievances regarding the shredding of the Constitution are laughed out of court. Only when backed into a corner and properly understood as true patriotic loyal opponents, would we pick up the rifle and make war on the Left. I’m a God-fearing man. I live my life peacefully and humbly. I am not a violent person. But if the cause is right and with no other choice, I can turn on a dime. And given the fact that I was once an openly practicing Marxist (I did not lie to people and follow orders to call myself a “progressive” or “liberal”), I know what these people are after and what they are about. We must not let these people have their way with us. It would be a disaster not just for our nation, but for the world and Western Civilization itself. So, yeah, I appreciate the gravity of where we are. If I had to kill fellow Americans who are Leftists, I would do it. No question about it.

But right now it is my hope we are long way from that moment. Yet, it does not help matters that this administration is criminalizing the policy of a former President. The practice is called proscription and it is reprehensible. It sets a bad precedent.

I can well understand why the Chilean military acted as it did in 1973. As a Leftist many years ago I regarded it as odious, until I began to understand exactly what results from Communism/socialism. Now, I see what Pinochet did to Allende and his supporters as necessary to save the country.

I was an academic Marxist, not an activist one. I went very deeply into the corpus of Marxist thought, from Marx on up to the Frankfurt School thinkers and Antonio Gramsci. I know these people on the Left very well. Do not underestimate them. Watch what they do and not what they say.

Not Dave 2: Of course we are throwing sh*tballs at Obama. This administration is deliberately raising propaganda against mainstream conservatives. And the reason he does this is to protect HIMSELF by trying to marginalize and intimidate those who criticize him. I think that you know all of this is true. This is not a man with a great deal of integrity. Nor is he curious to think about things in a different way or ‘work together’ with conservatives.

Besides, how can we work together against the ‘very real enemies who want to grind us into the ground’ when you support Obama and he has no intention of joining us? This is a man who made a last ditch effort to try to compel a withdrawal from Iraq right when it became abundantly clear that America was going to prevail (he is the MOVEON.ORG, no military solution in Iraq president). He has only a secondary interest in defeating terrorists. He would have preferred to see Iraq either return to chaos to save his non-policy on Iraq or rob the American military of credit for bringing peace to Iraq (and falsely vindicate the position that withdrawal was going to bring peace to Iraq).

It is a serious thing when a president targets responsible law abiding citizens with propaganda for the sake of protecting his own ass. If he doesn’t want people to call him a totalitarian dictator then he should stop acting like one. How much more must he do before you’re willing to throw a sh*tball?

In fact I’ll name them now.
Leftwing eco-terrorist burned down roughly 40 middle homes in CA. Each home was worth roughly 200k… thats almost 1 million dollars of damage in 1 attack.

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I’ll meet your torched neighborhood – an eco friendly street of finished homes in Washington state, estimated damage $7 million. Not all their incendiary devices functioned correctly, so not all homes they attacked were burned to the ground. (re: could have cost more $$$) ELF claimed responsibility (one of the groups mentioned in Bush’s version of the report) by leaving signs all over the place.
I’ll raise you the University of Washington Center for Urban Horticulture – $6 million dollars in damage. (and lost research notes/data? priceless) Also an ELF victim.

Just two attacks by ultra-left radicals in WA. One $7 million, the other $6 million. (oh, the UW CUH came first – so their arson’s are getting more extensive/exspensive.)

#88
Then maybe the “little boys and girls on the left” had better stop trying to destroy the US Constitution and stop demonizing those on the right. Obama looks to be a reprise of the Carter Administration, but worse. All thepolicies Obama wants to implement, except those he’s retaining from the Bush Administration (at least for a while) have been tried and found disastrous before, from nationalizing industries to debouching the currency to appeasing unappeaseable enemies. But Obama and his consiglieri are too arrogant and stupid to recognize the facts.

According to a saying attributed to Otto von Bismarck “The Good Lord looks out for fools, drunks, children, and the United States of America.” I just wish we would not make Him work so hard.

“Chuck, the ONLY ‘team’ I want to win is the United States of America. And that won’t happen if the little boys and girls on the right and the little boys and girls on the left don’t stop throwing sh*tballs at each other and actually work together against very real enemies who want to grind us into the ground.”

The problem is, when “Not Dave” & his friends speak of “enemies” they aren’t referring to the Mohammed Attahs of this world. They’re referring to the old lady next door who dares to have a McCain/Palin bumper sticker on her car. Compare the typical Leftist hyperbole about Conservative “Godbags”, “Homophobes”, and “Christofascists” with their attitude towards enemy combatants captured during the WOT. Which group is a typical left winger more likely to insult? Which group does the Left constantly act as apologists for? How much time does the average Blue Stater spend condemning Islamic Extremism, as opposed to countrymen who happen to have different political leanings?

And who among you who are regular visitors to the other right wing sites *did not* see any post election comments basically hoping for Obama being shot or killed?

Just put a cork in it, or better yet target Bush for really damaging privacy and personal liberties, including greatly expanding domestic spying & wiretapping, as well as updating and expanding Reagan’s dumbass (with the help of Oliver North) “Rex 84″ martial law plan to suspend the constitution in the event of some not too well defined national emergency.

Chuck, I don’t support ANY hate crimes laws. I also think that the hypocrisy of some members of groups already covered under existing laws (religious and ethnic) opposing any expansion of it is sickening. If it’s wrong, if it’s really a thought crime law then it is such for all groups not just those potentially being added now.

#96 “The problem is, when “Not Dave” & his friends”

No, the real problem is that you have no clue who my “friends” are and who I consider the enemy. I don’t think you have a clue what a “typical” left winger is and are simply upset because you feel that slinging stupid and usually false insults at the other side is a “privilege” that only the right should have. Are you willing to admit that there is Christian extremism and anti-gay people who resort to extreme measures (I don’t use the word homophobe, it doesn’t begin to describe the issue) or are you just “opposed to countrymen who happen to have different political leanings”?

Defense of ANY violence based on religion and ANY attempt to force a particular religious belief on others is reprehensible.

Barak Hussein Obama, aka Barry Soetero, POTUS No. 44 moved into the White House on January 20, 2009. At the end of his 100 days in office, a very clear and foreboding picture has emerged.

Pretender
Born of a Moslem father, and later adopted by a Moslem, he grew up as Barry Soetero in Moslem Indonesia, and received sufficient Islamic tutelage during his formative years to assure that he is a Moslem first and foremost. He has maintained close ties with his Moslem family in Kenya, an action which further enhances his Islamic credentials. While he pretends to be otherwise, his fifth columnist actions are increasingly revealing.

In his book, THE AUDACITY OF HOPE (his Mein Kampf), he vowed to side with Moslems against the Jews (Israel). He is clearly an anti-Semite who pretends to be otherwise, and is thus effectively following long established Moslem practices and strategies of using misguided useful fool Jews (because of their superior capabilities) against other Jews and gentiles, a form of divide and conquer.
For twenty years, he attended a Chicago church and became close with his spiritual mentor, Jeremiah Wright, a faux pastor rumored to be a former Moslem. Wright’s sermons often mentioned ‘god’ in contexts similar to when Moslem preachers speak of Allah. It would appear that Wright cleverly used ‘god’ rather than Allah to avoid drawing attention to himself and the content of his anti-Semitic, anti-American, hate-the-white-man tirades.
Obama/Soetero’s wife, Michelle has an anti-white (anti-American) history, and only developed pride in America after Obama/Soetero won the Democratic party primary election.

Subsequent to his being elected as President, Obama/Soetero has spent about a million dollars with teams of lawyers to block as many of his records as possible, records that the American people deserve to know about. One of those records is his birth certificate, if one even exists. A simple birth certificate should be available to everyone, but he has done everything possible to block revealing this information. His efforts to block this are clear to anyone with reasonable cognitive skills. There is a probability bordering on absolute certainty that his American birth certificate does not exist. Lacking a legitimate, bonafides, verifiable and legal American birth certificate, he is not eligible to be President of the USA.

Among other things, using other restraining efforts he blocked Occidental college from releasing transcripts and school records until this blockage was released under an appeal. Those now revealed records show that he was an adult (age eighteen) when he enrolled as an Indonesian citizen.

Agenda

During one of his addresses, Obama/Soetero declared that the Constitution “needs improving.” This is incredible audacity! Clearly this means that Obama-Soetero does not like the Constitution, one that has served America well for going onto four centuries. What ‘improvements’ does he have in mind?

Obama-Soetero clearly has an agenda that is NOT in the best interests of the American people. Obama/Soetero Is a manipulative narcissist who is moving his fascist agenda along adroitly and very fast, bewilderingly fast.
 His writings (AUDACITY OF HOPE) speak for him.
 His speeches replete with double meanings speak for him.
 His actions during his first 100 days bode ill for America.

He has a willing congress of Demo-Lemings doing his bidding as they willingly move his agenda along at a frighteningly fast pace.

Obama-Soetero is sly, extremely sly and clever. Obama-Soetero knows better than to make a frontal assault on the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

Obama-Soetero has made a number of key appointments. Among them, are Moslems, reportedly 15% of his political appointments to critical positions. This is NOT representative of the American population.

Chief among his appointments is Eric Holder who has serious (seriously) bad baggage. The Attorney General is supposed to be the chief law enforcement officer. Holder will likely do that, big time. Unfortunately, he will be highly selective in his enforcement, and chief among his activities will be to protecting Obama-Soetero.
In one of Holder’s first speeches (conveniently rebutted by Obama after the fact), he called White Americans social cowards. Implicit in his message was that white Americans, the honkeys and Jews will be expected to fess up more than what we have already done in fulfilling some sort of social agenda. The target is fixed, it’s you and I.

Obama-Soetero and his crooked financial wrecking crew are responsible for the current financial crisis, one that George bush started sounding the alarms about in 2001. Obama-Soetero’s appointment of Timothy Geithner as Treasury Secretary has put a key player in an important position. (Geithener’s dad and Obama-Soetero’s mom enjoyed a ‘unique’ relationship many years ago in Indonesia, but that’s another story).
Geithner changed the banking bailout rules and placed the government in ownership of banks. The ignoramuses in Congress rolled over for this. This act gave Obama-Soetero’s government unfettered access to the nations’ financial records, the most sensitive and intimate financial records of just about every American. Tie these personal banking records to the IRS and a powerful cabal has been assembled.
Obama-Soetero can (and will) unleash the IRS on any and all political opponents and enemies. Assuredly, this will happen.
It is now incumbent upon any and all patriotic Americans who understand what Obama-Soetero is up to, to begin to move their money out of the system and into tangibles such as precious metals, food, cash, property, guns, bullets, any commodity that the IRS can’t readily access electronically and seize under whatever pretext they choose.

Obama-Soetero put a dupe, Janet Napolitano, into position as the head of the Department of Homeland Security and immediately put her to work on his agenda. She took a work, which was started under Bush, and assembled a database on any and all organizations, entities, and groups (including individuals) who might oppose Obama-Soetero’s fascist regime. Many of the readers of this will fit five or more of these categories that will land them on this hit list, i.e. Christians, Orthodox Jews, conservatives (bloggers, writers, voters, etc.), patriotic groups, gun owners, Minutemen, former law enforcement officers, hunters, anti-abortionists and pro-lifers, anyone who is pro-family and anti-gay, members of social groups, volunteers, scouts, opponents of unions, groups opposed to illegal immigration, everyone who is anti-Islam, veterans, VFW, tax protesters, Black Separatists (the inclusion of this group is just horsepookey to befuddle real people), Mormons, American Legion, even strict Constitutionalists, and the list can go on. The list is designed to include so called “right wing nut-jobs” but will surely omit left wing extremist whackos like Alex Baldwin, Rosie O’Donnell, and semen repository Perez Hilton, all of whom tote firearms.

Obama-Soetero is a proponent of ‘norming’. Norming is an activity where he and his crew will work at the United/Usless Nations to commit the USG to a variety of treaties and agreements that will fly under the radar. Then, at some point, such a treaty can be attached to legislation in an amendment where they can tell the congress that 199 nations have signed on and agreed, and it is just good sense for America to agree. This is behavioral science, and the Congress would likely want to join in with the rest of the world. Following such a ruse, the Congress could be duped into agreeing to treaties that call for actions that would override the Constitution. Chief among these are Islamic goals which outlaw any form of speaking out against Islam, an Islamic version of hate speech.

The First Amendment is a prime target of Obama-Soetero, and the first spin of the wheel has resurrected the doctrine of fairness which clearly targets talk radio which is dominated by conscientious, loyal, patriotic Americans who have a huge audience. He has told political leaders that they should not even listen to Rush Limbaugh. He was NOT joking, here. He was serious. Speaking out against Islam would become a criminal offense. Obviously our Freedom of Speech is in jeopardy here! Are thought police next?

The Second Amendment is the vital document that protects the First Amendment. Obama-Soetero and his backers (George Soros, the Saudis, and others) absolutely hate this document and it is essential to their fascist agenda that America be disarmed.
Obama-Soetero effectively lulled America’s gun owners, the National Rifle Association, and other defenders of the Constitution with his commitment to not pursue the Brady gun banner circus’ style and modus operanda of gun banning. This was very deceptive.
He has already started this assault on freedom. Obama-Soetero’s Congress is moving a bill through that calls for firearms registrations only. It will compel every gun owner register their firearms, with a promise that none will be confiscated. This is a ruse, and anyone who believes this is a genuine fool or Demo-Leming. Anyone who fails to register can be sent to jail for five years or more, and have their money and property confiscated. Once registered, it is a small step to confiscate all firearms.

Obama-Soetero has one more trick coming: Health care. He is already moving forward to get all medical information on every American into a database. His early admission that such a program would be used to ‘assist’ insurance companies in determining who to euthanize by withholding ‘costly’ medical care and procedures is just the beginning.

Tie all of this together, our medical, tax, banking, and gun ownership records with a list of enemies (most of us), and our freedom is gone. This is non-violent jihad at its best, psychological warfare designed to demoralize and terrorize we the citizenry. If we resist, they’ll take our money, our property, sic the IRS and BATF after us, and then jail us in segregated facilities where ‘costly and unnecessary’ medical care can be denied, and we will be euthanized, thus eliminated as a counter to his fascism.

This can take place in this generation. Our Republic is in the greatest danger ever.

Physical anarchy where people get hurt and property is destroyed is bad. Civil protest is not anarchy, even though it sows righteous confusion.

We need to take action now to protect the United States of America from a fascist takeover:
- As I mentioned earlier, begin moving your assets into tangibles that you can control so that the fascist Obama-Soetero regime cannot access them.
- Retrieve your paper records from your doctors, and keep them in your control. This may be futile, but is worth the effort nonetheless.
- Speak out loud and often, and get everyone you know to do so. Write often, and get others to do so. If 50%+ of Americans are on record as being opposed to Obama-Soetero’s fascism, it will be difficult to put 150+ million people into jails. Oppose all politicians who are riding Obama-Soetero’s bandwagon. Get new people, genuine patriots elected to public offices, especially in the Senate and House of Representatives. Get crooked Obama-Soetero groupies un-elected.
- Confound the BATF with firearms registrations. They want to charge a fee to register a gun. We gun owners owned our guns prior to enactment of this law thus charging a fee ex-post facto is illegal. Protest all fees because they will be illegal.
Make the registration program collapse in confusion. Claim ownership of 100’s of guns, and gin up bogus serial numbers and send tons of reports in. Don’t report your real guns, or only report the obvious (like my .38 Police Special which is already on record). Then, send bunches of bogus sold and transfer reports, about five to ten every day giving names of recipients or purchasers such as Mickey Mouse (poor Mickey will wind owning a billion guns) as the new owners, and give addresses of libraries, and other government buildings to confound the system making the whole thing collapse.
Twenty million illegal immigrants have gotten phony IDs. Do what they do, and go and get a phony ID. Get a few or several of them. Send reports under the phony IDs. Register to vote with the phony IDs (just like Obama’s ACORN did) and vote early and often at multiple precincts, for candidates who oppose fascism.

WHEN GOVERNMENT DISRESPECTS THE PEOPLE,
WE HAVE TYRANNY!

WHEN GOVERNMENT RESPECTS THE PEOPLE,
WE HAVE LIBERTY!

Those who hammer their guns into plows
will plow for those who don’t.
Thomas Jefferson

The new motto on currency and buildings should change from “E Pluribus . . .” to “Service to the State”, just as ACORN (in their capacity as the political shock troops of the new left) should adopt the phrase(as their motto) “Strength through Joy”, a rallying cry that can’t help but foment loyalty to the state and it’s leader.

As far as digitizing medical records for the use of the insurance industry (and the repository’s keeper), why not? Who are we to decide what care we deserve? Frankly we need that database used to grant or deny birthrights as well. Abortion should be the norm with only the well screened (and approved) granted reproductive rights. The state has a great burden trying to take care of an undisciplined, chaotic mass, the mass must be trained to understand it’s place, and willfully submit to decisions made by the state for their own good.

We have a chance under the Obama to remake America as a home to a race combined and transformed into one unrecognizable today, a race of genetically stronger smarter and more submissive freepersons who willingly sacrifice everything for the good of the state. The old mankind needs to adopt the new agenda, give up their selfish ideas of “free will” and submit to true economic, political, and mental freedom (which submission to the state ensures).

“Take me to the Brig. I want to see the real Marines.” — Lewis B. Puller, LtGen, USMC

THAT is a ‘keeper’.

Thanks!

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. Reminds me of the DC May Day Riots in ’71.

I honestly believe there was more of a REAL riot at Andrews AFB between TEAM MARINE up for Le Juene and TEAM GREEN up from Bragg. Despite the 2-miles of distance between the encampments at either end of the LONG runways.

And who among you who are regular visitors to the other right wing sites *did not* see any post election comments basically hoping for Obama being shot or killed? — BC

….I for one “did not”.

Show me the URLs. And, while you’re at it. Show me the reports of such statements being made on television. Like the one where a sniper’s sight reticle was superimposed on the face of President Bush with the words “Snipers Wanted” on the screen during a prime-time show.

….I don’t support ANY hate crimes laws. I also think that the hypocrisy of some members of groups already covered under existing laws (religious and ethnic) opposing any expansion of it is sickening. If it’s wrong, if it’s really a thought crime law then it is such for all groups not just those potentially being added now. — Nut Dave 2

First you say you “don’t support ANY hate crimes laws”.

Then in the rest of that paragraph you support them. Typical ‘progressive’ hypocrite. And, as I see it an enemy of the Constitution of the United States.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[The Truth will out....and usually, it comes out of the 'mouths' of the perp themselves.....]

Make the registration program collapse in confusion. Claim ownership of 100’s of guns, and gin up bogus serial numbers and send tons of reports in. Don’t report your real guns, or only report the obvious (like my .38 Police Special which is already on record). Then, send bunches of bogus sold and transfer reports, about five to ten every day giving names of recipients or purchasers such as Mickey Mouse (poor Mickey will wind owning a billion guns) as the new owners, and give addresses of libraries, and other government buildings to confound the system making the whole thing collapse. — Jim Horn

It was a fine Spring evening off the Potomac. We had stood down from MACA support.

Someone had brought in a USO Show for our ‘entertainment’. The dancing girls were cute. The stand-up comic was dying on his feet.

I was in the front row in the reclining position, when I saw a small white object sail over the comic’s head going back into the crowd of paratroopers behind me. Then I saw another such object in a similar trajectory.

There was something of a ‘stir’ in the crowd of paras. Then someone close behind me stood up and shouted, “IT’S THE MARINES!” Followed closely by someone else shouting “LET’S GET ‘EM!”

Suddenly, as if on ‘command’, everybody STOOD UP. [Note: As I some jumpmaster said, "All personnel STAND UP!".]

The crowd began moving towards the flatbed on which the sorry comic now was showing an expression of REAL FEAR. I suspect he was completely unaware of what had happened and thought we were coming for HIM. Such a lousy show it was.

But, as the crowd of under-exercised….as there was no REAL ‘rioting’ where the paratroopers were….and over-stimulated….the egg tossing….paratroopers reached the flat-bed trailer on which the USO Show as being presented, it parted like a wave around a rock and at least a thousand paratroopers ran 2 miles down the runway at Andrews AFB in order to get rid of some excessive levels of ‘frustration’ and ‘testosterone’ with their comrades-in-arms, the US Marines.

I do believe that the Marines in their encampment were pretty much taken by ‘surprise’.

We never figured out WHO exactly hurled the eggs that set the whole thing off…..

Chuck, I don’t know what you are reading but it’s certainly not what I said. It’s really quite simple, many who are fighting against expanded hate crime laws are not doing so because they are against hate crimes laws but because they are against WHO is trying to get included. That is hypocrisy – one cannot claim that hate laws are bad and really thought control laws if one belongs to a group that is currently named in those laws. I personally believe that the laws, no matter who is covered, are wrong.

I’ll not stoop to your level and throw around juvenile insults but I do suggest that before you make such statements you know what you are talking about.

I personally believe that the laws, no matter who is covered, are wrong. — Nut Dave 2

Maybe….just MAYBE, if he could calm down off of whatever sort of ‘high’ he is on and explain how he says, in one sentence, he opposes such laws, and then spends the rest of the paragraph I quoted him from where he apparently supports such laws…..

….MAYBE….we’d get a better appreciation of the sort of mentality that can’t recognize it’s own contradictions.

But, instead, we get more of the same hypocritical, and now totally confusing, statements as THIS….

That is hypocrisy – one cannot claim that hate laws are bad and really thought control laws if one belongs to a group that is currently named in those laws. — Nut Dave 2

Or maybe someone could take the time to ‘translate’ that to me.

I’d appreciate it.

Or, perhaps, we’re witnessing what I like to refer to as ‘sympathetic detonations’. I’ve seen them often enough in the past.

You hit the target and all of a sudden LOTS of other thinks start to ‘blow-up’.

…the real message of this (Napolitano’s) memo: to intimidate the 60 million Americans who voted against Obama.

Scary sh!t, eh wot ?

As you mention, Janet spewed just before Tea Party day, followed up by a concerted & collective effort by the Axelrods & Carvilles of the planet to diss and dismiss those poor, misguided 60 million who see straight through The One™ and his minions.

Chuck, I apologize for thinking that you had a normal ability to understand the English language. As I’ve found with many others who call themselves conservative, you read what YOU want into the words NOT what they actually say. That’s your issue not mine. You can quote me all you want but when you then turn around and claim that my words say something that they don’t even remotely say that means you are either a total ignorant jerk or you truly have comprehension difficulties. I’m betting the first on this one and have no more time to waste on you.

Its not you. Chuck is a prime reason the GOP loses elections, as he defines everyone by what he disagrees with and demeans those light years smarter than him with comments that leave you wondering how he keeps a driver’s license or reads even a comic book unaided..

He sees everything through the prism of 27 uneventful years in the military, where he was a bystander but picke dup enough lingo to be annoying. He is a prime example of Winston Churchill remark, (I paraphrase) “imagine never doing anything great! Never saying anything clever!” He routinely makes up things he allegedly did and intimates that he did all kinds of crucial things in the Army, when he was probably as tedious there as now. PJM has had to delete seevral of his comments and some sites have banned him.

Its admittedly funny once or twice to see him fizz on and off, but once you realize you are fighting with an unarmed man in a battle of wits its just boring.

Hi Chuck: how’s that “major earthquake” in Oregon? You know–the one you claimed struck oregon after you helped them prepare for it–the one that in fact never occurred? But the one you claime dexisted to pump up a list of acomplishments? (yes I am still here and I do remember!)

#112 Chuck Pelto:
“…at least a thousand paratroopers ran 2 miles down the runway at Andrews AFB in order to get rid of some excessive levels of ‘frustration’ and ‘testosterone’ with their comrades-in-arms, the US Marines.

I do believe that the Marines in their encampment were pretty much taken by ’surprise’.”

I’m not sure I would call it a “surprise” so much as afailure to communicate.

Let me explain:

As a Marine sentry, and at that time and place probably a Viet Nam vet, I really wouldn’t want to yell:

“Gooks in the wire!”

While this,(a gross contextual error),would undoubtedly be the PROPER alarm to get the platoons on instant action deployment, the character of that deployment would be a wee bit extreme for normal Pee-Gee County, Merlin Saturday-night funnin’ with our esteemed gallant Army Airborne chums, right?

Now on the other hand, should I have hollered out:

“Airborne attack!”

All of my mates would undoubtedly have dropped what they had been doing and started gaping at the skies…and this would be possibly even MORE innapropriate for a 1970-era Extracurricular MWR Interservice Hootenanny, right?

Points to your lads for choosing an unconventional form of maneuver…paratroopers running, on foot, down a runway?

Inane rant about icky homophobic conservatives follows from the 0bammunist-drone.

Thus proving my point for me. These people are at war with whoever Dear Leader sics them on – in other words, the non-Leftist US citizenry, and not the reactionary death-cults abroad. Look at how Napolitano, Negro-Jeebus, and the PJM trolls remain fixated on the “threat” from domestic political opponents, at a time when Stone Age death cultists are perhaps weeks from capturing the Pakistani gov’ts nuclear arsenal. And that’s just one of several “interesting” events likely to blow up this summer. But don’t worry – at least Hussein-boy will keep us safe from the dreaded red staters.

“Its [sic] not you. Chuck is a prime reason the GOP loses elections, as he defines everyone by what he disagrees with and demeans those light years smarter than him with comments that leave you wondering how he keeps a driver’s license or reads even a comic book unaided..”

As opposed to that always-civil sock puppet Saul-A, no?

Good to see that IT’S mastered the fine art of using ad hominems while complaining about ad hominems. Here’s an ad hom for ya: Learn the difference between its and it’s, you knuckle-dragging Alinsky drones.

What’s the world coming to when you can’t get a decent troll on Monday night? I swear, Negro Jeebus must be tossing in his 3rd stringers…

“When economic conditions deteriorate, greater attention is paid to persons who are without work and seeking jobs—the unemployed. At such times, there is also greater interest in a group of persons who do not meet the official definition of unemployment but who have shown interest in labor force participation. These individuals—referred to as “marginally attached to the labor force”—wanted and were available for work and had looked for a job sometime in the prior 12 months. They were not counted as unemployed because they had not actively searched for work in the past 4 weeks. The number of persons who were marginally attached to the labor force increased sharply during the current recession, rising to 2.1 million in the first quarter of 2009.”

Yes, folks that’s 2.1 MILLION “marginally attached” or disenfranchised workers. Add those who fit the regular definition of unemployed and you’ve got some serious numbers. Stir in an expensive “stimulus” package that was railroaded through Congress, and provided millions in bailouts to too-big-to-fail companies and banks, with carefully “unread” provisions and manufactured protests at executives’ homes. What companies plan to go on hiring sprees? Have the layoffs subsided? Will government jobs be long term and enough to cover all these people? What happens when unemployment benefits run dry?

Now if you are this Administration whom do you want those people to talk to or get their news from, and whom do you want to discredit? Do you undermine news sources that track government policy closely, point to ignored whistle blowers in Congress, and question unchecked government borrowing and spending (and who benefits), or those that continue to play up class envy, racial animosity, fear-based decision making, ammunition shortages and date night in the White House?

All this garbage about Republicans not having a big enough tent is nothing more than a concoction of the liberal media as a tactic to divide and isolate. The sad part is that some conservatives buy into this drivel.

Democrats are the most dogmatic, narrow-minded people in the world. Try making a pro-life speech at a democrat rally. Or say anything even the least bit sympathetic to the enhanced interrogation techniques the Bush administration used. Or something opposed to “gay marriage” (Oops, Obama opposes “gay marriage” too yet for some strange reason Republicans are villified as prejudiced and divising for holding the same position.)

Ronald Reagan did invite everyone into his tent, but he didn’t change his core beliefs or the platform he ran on one bit. If you were a democrat you were welcome in his tent as long as you went along with his philosophy.

When i thought CP had looked under every stone for an ally, I didn’t mean it literally but here you are.

Look, I’ll speak slowly and won’t use big words–when I criticize Pelto, I am talking–and accurately–about a particuar poster and what he does to squelch all reasonable debate. I am not the only one that notices it and its a fact that PJM has deleetd some of his horrific comments and that other sites have banned him. Its not ad hominem to note things that are true and relevant, although in your case it seems you don’t see a difference.

The particular poster, CP, implies and demeans without any basis whatever.

Pardon me if I don’t take time to deal with your feeble contribution of pulling the “grade school-teacher-with sterile mind-typo hunter” cloak around your narrow shoulders. Wow that’s a real contribution: typo hunting. (I’m a little busy and don’t proof my stuff all the time–my apologies).

Oh..PS since you missed the entire point: CP costs the republicans votes; that type of mean-spirited discussion does not win votes at all. And since you presumably care about winning an election, you might pay attention more and mindlessly emote less.

The particular poster, CP, implies and demeans without any basis whatever. — Saul A

Saul, you sorry excuse for a rational being…..[Note: As opposed to the famous SNL line from Dan Ackroyd, "Saul, you ignorant slut...."]

I’m just adopting the ‘progressive’ approach to debate, as suggested in John Hawkins article from a few days ago.

But I did wait until you showed your true form of debate in the first place. THEN I became like you and/or Nut Dave 2. Your ilk are not interested in ‘reasonable debate’. It’s either that or you have no concept of ‘debate’ or ‘reason’. Look at Nut Dave 2′s self-contradiction regarding ‘hate crime’ laws.

And as for YOU, and you’re ‘reasonable debate’, I invite you to go back to your first post on this thread, item #81. And read it again. Then tell me again about my ‘ad homs’ vis-a-vis YOU.

All of my mates would undoubtedly have dropped what they had been doing and started gaping at the skies…and this would be possibly even MORE innapropriate for a 1970-era Extracurricular MWR Interservice Hootenanny, right?

Points to your lads for choosing an unconventional form of maneuver…paratroopers running, on foot, down a runway?

PJM has deleetd [sic] his posts? oh, dear. Quick! Kick him off the site!

Wow. We are in uncharted territory right now, and these poor fools think that Alinsky’s Chicago bagman is going to get us out. It must be comforting to place so much faith in an Affirmative Action hack whose strategy thus far has been to “fail upwards” before people realize he knows FA about what he’s doing. As the racially-selected president of the Harvard Law Review he managed to write less than I had to write for my 2L writing requirement. When he was an “associate” he spent his days with his feet on his desk typing his “memoirs” (keep in mind that this was verified by a liberal lawyer who planned to vote FOR him). Now that he’s failed upwards into the highest office (in less time than it took to get a mid-level promotion at my last job), what happens? Unaccustomed to being held accountable, he starts to flounder. Day after day we watch him stutter and stammer his way through gaffe after gaffe – and yet this is the man that the trolls insist will save us.

To get back on topic I can’t say I blame 0bama for his jihad against the Red States – he’s a superficially-bright but lazy charlatan who, were it not for his father’s race, would probably be a bureaucrat or middle manager right now. Since his incompetence/lack of managerial XP is so glaringly obvious he needs a manufactured crisis (right wing extremism) to distract attention from his inability to solve real, existing crises.

Correction: I could not confirm that the lawyer in question was a Democrat; however, several former colleagues who supported 0bama have indeed called attention to his poor work ethic and lies about his past:

So Chuck, your years of service should have given you more wisdom that to resort to threats of violence against those who disagree with you. 99.99999% of those who have served our country and deserve our thanks would never consider violence against US citizens an answer.

“Anybody who says that the words “some,” “may,” “possibly,” etc. are marks of restraint (rather than groundless speculation)..”

They could be marks of restraint. They could be speculation. My money is on the viewpoint that no lawyer could never come back and pin anything on them. I write sales and marketing stuff for large, well-known companies for a living, and none of their legal folks will ever let you state something definitively. So, your product or service can never “ensure” that something will happen. It can only “help ensure”. You can’t say something will or will not — only that it “may, possibly, could, can… ” You get my drift.

#125 Saul A:
“its a fact that PJM has deleetd some of his horrific comments and that other sites have banned him.”

And this means….what?

I’ve had comments deleted here, and the Happy Bicyclist banned me from his Little Green Testicles site because I wouldn’t join his Lizardoid mob in denouncing an essay by one El Ingles.

I’ve known Col. Pelto for 15 years, and while you may think he is a jerk, I can vouch that in hot debate against real, honest-to-Gosh neo-Nazis and Klansmen, he exacted enough pounds of their flesh that they detested him mightily.

So, getting deleted and/or banned isn’t necessarily a Badge of Shame.

“Oh..PS since you missed the entire point: CP costs the republicans votes;”

He did, huh?
That’s pretty astounding, when you think about it. Are you trying to say that some dullard went into the voting booth and chose Obama in order to “hurt” Col. Pelto?
Frankly,if that be so I’d opine that we are all the better for it…Bravo Zulu, Cunnel!

“that type of mean-spirited discussion does not win votes at all.”

It’s a shame that you have apparently no appreciation at all for an ally’s resources and capabilities.

Let me ‘splain to you what cyber-Chuck Pelto is:

Do you remember the character “Animal Mother” in the movie “Full Metal Jacket”?

Our Chuck Pelto is “Animal Mother” with eagles on his collar instead of “skeeter-wings” on his sleeves…and yes, he’s happiest of all when he’s playing “pitch and catch” with live grenades.

Is it my imagination or is there a larger quantity of the progressive lurkers showing up on this web site?
Progressive= communist/fascist/hater of the good/liberal
Progressive does not mean progress, it means regress.
Liberal used to mean liberty/freedom from intrusion by big government, now it means chains/big government/ more chains.
The progressive does not believe in black and white or good and evil, just gray.
Gray is confusion, gray is can’t make a decision, gray is unbelief.

DHS is going to have to write a document naming its own Obama administration as a terrorist threat because of its un-American activities for:

Trying to undermine and intimidate American corporations, thereby destabilizing the American economy and ruining private citizen’s lives by using the main stream media to attack them verbally.

Chumming up to America’s avowed enemies’ therefore indicating weakness and encouraging more terror attacks against American interests. Just wait and see.

Endorsing and enabling the killing of innocent children in America and abroad.

Attacking free speech and therefore the U.S. Constitution by naming and calling out individual talk show hosts and private citizens for speaking their minds in public.

Appointing known enemies of America’s Constitutional right to bear arms to positions of authority where they can damage the rights of the American people.

I can go on and on and on here but remember the President swore on the bible to protect, defend and uphold the Constitution of the United States of America.

Instead we have the DHS looking at everday citizens of this nation as if they were terrorists.

There is no moral justification for the UN-American activities of the current administration, there is no moral justification for lying about what it is doing.
As we can all see, this admistrations activities are not remaining hidden but are being exposed by those seeking the truth daily. The exposure will continue and intensify until the light is so great that they will have to leave or lash out.
Either way its just a matter of time.
Keep praying, those of you who love the truth, for every rat and liar and hater of America to be exposed and driven out.
Keep standing up, keep speaking up.

Pelto, your effort to argue always reminds ME of the Akroyd “Bassomatic” skit–messy mix of repellent goo that is of no use whatever. Or the nutty guy in ET that ruins a meeting about UFO’s with his “I saw Bigfoot once,” remark that reduces the entire meeting to shambles. Your “bassomatic” contribution to any debate–along with the quotations that can be found to support any point of view –ruin it. If you want to help the GOP, wear a gag, stay home and let people who are in touch with the country nurse it back to health.

Don’t play golf. Dangerous game. Got nailed by a drive my first time on the course, age 9. Reminded me of my first game of baseball, at age 4, smacked in the head with a bat on a follow-through. Ten days in Walter Reed while they pulled bone frags out of the gray matter.

Interesting thing was that Ike was just down the hall from me. He’d had a heart attack.

I claim he heard about my accident…..

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. I suspect between those two incidents, I took up jumping out of perfectly good airplanes in flight. Must be something of a masochist after all….I keep coming back HERE!

Last game of paintball, at a buddies bachelor party, I was teamed with a former SEAL sniper.

We were hunkered down in a warehouse full of bricka-brack, back to back covering a choke-point. I think we nailed about ten of the opposing side before he got hit. About a minute later, I was nailed too.

#140:
“Last game of paintball, at a buddies bachelor party, I was teamed with a former SEAL sniper.”

You gotta watch those Swabbie Ninjas, my Boss/Friend is one.(He’s my Froend when he’s not my Boss, and vice-versa).

On one of the ships I’ve sailed, the SEALS would use us for Boarding and Clearing exercises.

I was changing out our welding bottles one day, and as I opened the hatch, right there on the other side was a Ninja-Swabbie, with the muzzle of his MP-5 pointed right at my “center mass”.

Neither of us said a word for a split second, and then I leaned in towards him and said:

“Do NOT discharge your weapon, this bottle holds 100 pounds of acetylene gas. Puncturing it in these close confines with a firearm would be…VERY BAD!”.

He nodded exactly once, and without saying a word, he and his team moved on down the ladderway from the landing.

I watched him go and noticed that he was right-handed, so that his MP-5 muzzle was pointed down and towards the steel bulkhead to his left, so that to engage an enemy lower down the ladder, he’d have had to do some kind of intricate SEAL-Team Disco Dancing maneuver.

I couldn’t resist loudly suggesting that he should maybe give some thought to swapping hands on his piece to make target engagement a bit easier.

Got the impression that he definitely wasn’t the brightest sailor ever to run up and down Coronado Beach with a telephone pole on his shoulders…

138. Chuck Pelto:
Don’t play golf. Dangerous game. Got nailed by a drive my first time on the course, age 9. Reminded me of my first game of baseball, at age 4, smacked in the head with a bat on a follow-through. Ten days in Walter Reed while they pulled bone frags out of the gray matter.

124. Steve:
“Ronald Reagan did invite everyone into his tent, but he didn’t change his core beliefs or the platform he ran on one bit. If you were a democrat you were welcome in his tent as long as you went along with his philosophy.”

That’s what politicians call bi-partisanship. So don’t complain when you don’t get your way.

Something more to think about: you may already have noted this but I think it worth repeating. I haven’t said it perfectly, but I think you’ll get my point.

Obama has no deep roots in our common American culture. His mother was a Margaret Mead wannabe who “married around” cross-culturally and spent her life wandering other countries, studying other cultures, and pursuing further education in Anthropology. Obama spent important formative years in Indonesia (as an outsider), also Pakistan, then was dumped on his grandparents in Hawaii, one of the most multicultural (and virulently anti-white) states in the union. He went to school in the Ivy League, hardly a bastion of American cultural values and identity, and then chose to live as an adult in heavily Black Chicago to establish a political base.

Even that is revealing. While his wife, Michelle, is thoroughly invested in Black culture, I don’t think Obama himself embraces it as part of his identity except for political convenience; it’s a sort of particular example of a higher intellectual model that is really his way of seeing the world. He could indeed sit through Reverend Wright for 20 years and think little of it, except as a typically angry voice of a particular ethnic Proletariat. He doesn’t internalize ANY culture.

Most presidents have had a solid grounding in the broad American culture growing up; thus, even where they haven’t had much exposure to various American subcultures, they are at least steeped in a general culture of hot dogs, baseball, hunting with dad, and free-ice-cream-for-kids on the 4th of July that provides a commonality of experience and identity with other Americans. As you point out, Obama strikes a pose on superior intellectual high ground to understand this country’s history, politics, and culture. Intellectually informed by an Ivy League, Leftist education, he thus interprets one strongly American subculture as emotionally-damaged whites “clinging” to guns due to “unemployment,” an economic “factor.”

You can see his belief in the superior clarity and understanding of detached intellectualism in the way he phrases much of what he says: “let me make one thing absolutely clear…” “we must think clearly about this…” (It shouldn’t surprise us that Biden is his VP, a pompous blowhard who thinks his IQ is higher than 90% of the people he meets.)

To me,then,Obama seems oddly insulated from any formative, specifically American cultural experience and identity that would seem to be basic in a leader of this country. He has replaced the gut-level cultural understanding that comes from such experience with an Olympian intellectual detachment that “understands” American culture better than it understands itself.

My question to you is: just how important is President Obama’s lack of a distinctively American cultural upbringing?