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By: GWB https://chicagoboyz.net/archives/61919.html#comment-1030600
Thu, 12 Mar 2020 14:04:50 +0000https://chicagoboyz.net/?p=61919#comment-1030600Gavin Longmuir Says:
For a time, Lefties were happy to use the Supreme Court and the Law
I disagree. they were happy to abuse the Courts and the Law.

Mike K Says:
I think what we see is classic fascism with the violence still coming.
Oh, the violence is here. It’s just not pervasive, except in a few locales, at this point.

Mike-SMO Says:
And there is that bare spot on the wall …….
Precisely.

Sgt. Mom Says:
When lawful folk no longer trust the apparatus of the state … they tend to do what they do best … organize and administer law.
Here’s the thing: that’s the natural state according to the Founders. Setting up a law apparatus is an exercise of the power of the people. Setting and enforcing the law is the duty of the demos, and a legislature and police force are merely ways to streamline the responsibility. It’s up to the people to rein in the apparatus they have constructed.
And yes, there’s a difference between what we would call “mob justice” and true vigilantism. The “mob justice” is done without the deliberation and adherence to real justice. Vigilantism is simply the people exercising their due power.

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By: Jerryskids https://chicagoboyz.net/archives/61919.html#comment-1030599
Thu, 12 Mar 2020 12:38:52 +0000https://chicagoboyz.net/?p=61919#comment-1030599Gavin Longmuir says: What happens when the rest of us decide to treat the Law with the same contempt that Lefties already do?

You get Donald Trump. It’s been obvious for a while now that “the rule of law” only applies to some of us and when the law applies only to some it applies to none.

I’m sure you’ve seen articles from time to time about various agencies buying large amounts of guns and ammunition when there’s no apparent reason for them to be doing so, but when you couple their enforcement arms with the Auer and Chevron deference cases wherein the Supreme Court has said it’s not their place to be second-guessing the decisions of the executive branch agencies in interpreting their own rules, the executive branch agencies have become a law unto themselves.

Oh, sure, they don’t actually create laws, merely rules and regulations, which is why you face civil penalties rather than criminal, but time was when the EPA or OSHA or whoever wanted to enforce a decision, they had to involve the courts or the guys with guns over at the DoJ who might be able to second-guess their enforcement decisions. Now, they have their own guns and their own judges – there’s nobody to act as a check on their unilateral decisions. And try telling a businessman who has run afoul of some obscure and vague provision of the voluminous rules and regulations of some agency that a ruinous fine isn’t a criminal punishment but merely a civil penalty. It’s really not going to cheer him up.

And that goes to the heart of the problem – the social contract, like any other contract, relies on the informed consent of both parties to the agreement and if you think for one second anybody here can claim to understand the myriad terms and conditions of the laws the government has laid upon us enough to be said to have given their informed consent to the law, you’re out of your cotton-picking mind. Nobody has agreed to this bureaucratic Leviathan spawned in the deepest, darkest, foulest, most odoriferous parts of the swamp in Washington, DC and nobody has any obligation to be bound by contracts they have not agreed to.

Whilst I agree that Schumer and his crew of felons is not the most likely place to look for any reform of the failing institutions of the law, can we perhaps loosen our clutch on our pearls and admit that criticism of judges is not a challenge to the rule of law. Exempting criticism of judges from the scope of the First Amendment is a far greater danger.

There are lazy, incompetent, biased, corrupt and senile judges on the benches. Article Three institutions shouldn’t be exempt from any review. Everyone else goes through regular reviews and there’s no time like the present.

It is not only when the ordinary folk do not trust “the law” to discipline the criminal class. When the ordinary folk, Deplorables if you will, reach the conclusion that the law is primarily an instrument of oppression intended to be used against law abiding ordinary folk as a matter of course . . .

If those who rule are not bound by the Constitution or the law, what bounds restrain the ruled? q.v. Thomas Hobbes’ LEVIATHAN.

Subotai Bahadur

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By: Sgt. Mom https://chicagoboyz.net/archives/61919.html#comment-1030572
Thu, 12 Mar 2020 00:19:02 +0000https://chicagoboyz.net/?p=61919#comment-1030572Take away trust in “the law” – when the ordinary folk no longer trust the “law” to discipline the criminal class? After a time, you get an organised vigilante set to go after the criminal class. Not a mob, per se – but a disciplined, well-organized organization. Going after the criminals.http://www.celiahayes.com/archives/633
When lawful folk no longer trust the apparatus of the state … they tend to do what they do best … organize and administer law.
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By: Mike-SMO https://chicagoboyz.net/archives/61919.html#comment-1030571
Wed, 11 Mar 2020 22:46:30 +0000https://chicagoboyz.net/?p=61919#comment-1030571[Expletive!] the Law?

They should remember how many “Deplorables” are out there, looking for something to hang over the fireplace in their mobile home. Many people seem to “tolerate” the Law, due to the alternatives. Take away [Expletive!] The Law and there are only the alternatives.

Amateur “Mob Control” is always very, very messy. A lot of us are here (US) since our Grandparents’ generation saw their family/village/profession/class murdered by the mob. We grew up waiting for that mob to return.

And there is that bare spot on the wall …….

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By: miguel cervantes https://chicagoboyz.net/archives/61919.html#comment-1030561
Wed, 11 Mar 2020 19:41:09 +0000https://chicagoboyz.net/?p=61919#comment-1030561I grew up in Miami, which was the nexus of the Nicaraguan resistance, the likes of john Kerry and the christics institute, were spinning their tales, the former accepted really odious people, like the cartel accountant, to defame the supporters of same, in return for sentence recommendation, the latter headed by Daniel sheehan, the same guy behind pfc Nathan phillips, mostly worked their narrative in Hollywood, above the law, (with a thinly disguised john Kerry as heroic figure ) lethal weapon, were examples of their work,
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By: Anonymous https://chicagoboyz.net/archives/61919.html#comment-1030546
Wed, 11 Mar 2020 15:10:39 +0000https://chicagoboyz.net/?p=61919#comment-1030546one would like to say it started with Trump but it really goes back (in my lifetime) to Reagan.separate

LBJ, doncha know? Smothers Brothers in PrimeTime and not only on VietNam but deportations, union “busting” and NASA… They disagrred therefore the president was evil and stupid and heartless.

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By: Mike K https://chicagoboyz.net/archives/61919.html#comment-1030544
Wed, 11 Mar 2020 14:51:29 +0000https://chicagoboyz.net/?p=61919#comment-1030544With Reagan, Congress was still in Democrat hands. The Boland Amendment was an attempt to run foreign policy. The Iran-Contra thing was close to an attempt to impeach Reagan over the foreign policy differences. Remember that Dodd and Kennedy were seeking help from the communists to thwart Reagan. The majority of Democrats were still sane, however, and it did not go beyond that.

When Bush won the 2000 election, it put the whole government in GOP hands. They went nuts.

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By: Bill Brandt https://chicagoboyz.net/archives/61919.html#comment-1030527
Wed, 11 Mar 2020 07:32:54 +0000https://chicagoboyz.net/?p=61919#comment-1030527I have thought a lot about the reasons for such hostility that the Left has – while one would like to say it started with Trump but it really goes back (in my lifetime) to Reagan. Look at how they have treated every Republican President.

Look at the reception Jean Kirkpatrick got in Berkeley.

I think Trump has garnered such vitriol because he has largely undone what Obama enacted by executive fiat. When they realized that Hillary would have just solidified the push Obama had, that brings out their rage.

But I am sure getting sick of their tactics and uncivilty.

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By: Mike K https://chicagoboyz.net/archives/61919.html#comment-1030507
Wed, 11 Mar 2020 01:33:56 +0000https://chicagoboyz.net/?p=61919#comment-1030507I think what we see is classic fascism with the violence still coming.

In an end run around Republican legislators, Oregon’s Democratic governor ordered the state on Tuesday to lower greenhouse gas emissions, directing a state agency to set and enforce caps on pollution from industry and transportation fuels.

Gov. Kate Brown’s sweeping executive order, one of the boldest in the nation, aims to reduce carbon emissions to at least 45% below 1990 levels by 2035 and an 80% reduction from 1990 levels by 2050. It more than doubles a clean fuels program, making it the most ambitious goal for clean fuels in the country, Brown said at a news conference.

This is not based on science but they claim science by political allies, many of whom have no credentials. They drove Judith Curry, a real scientist, out of academia.

The physical attacks aren coming, especially in Portland where they have already occurred.

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By: Gavin Longmuir https://chicagoboyz.net/archives/61919.html#comment-1030505
Wed, 11 Mar 2020 01:13:07 +0000https://chicagoboyz.net/?p=61919#comment-1030505For a time, Lefties were happy to use the Supreme Court and the Law as a way to get around the messy business of winning public support and making reasonable compromises in Congress. Roe vs Wade is the classic example, but far from the only one.

Now, Lefties have moved beyond that. If they don’t like a law, they ignore it — and do so with impunity. “Sanctuary Cities” are a good example, but again far from the only one.

After decades of excessive legislation and regulation, every one of us breaks some rule or regulation every day. But only some of us get to be prosecuted with the full force of the law, while others commit obvious crimes without any suggestion of prosecution — and that is not just Hillary!

The issue which is yet to be addressed is — What happens when the branch the Lefties have already sawn half-way through breaks? What happens when the rest of us decide to treat the Law with the same contempt that Lefties already do?