I have a vent... And, this may sound completely silly; but, it's slightly a continuation of someone else's vent about professional work and being approached by those not interested in realizing the value of time.

Just because someone does not work at a mega-corporation: does not mean they are not professionals. When someone is a consultant; it is just that. I, personally dislike driving, and thus do not take the higher wages that can come with being a translator to work at some corporate office. I do, however; provide translation services. When people ask, "ooh, will you translate my novel for me?" I usually raise my eyebrow and just glare until the point is made. (I'm not talking about people who willingly pay my going-rates, I'm talking about the person who asks it 'as a favor'.)

Could be worse Wyrm, if we did not have threads like this, how many bell towers will be filled with people with high powered rifles? Sometimes it just takes someone venting what ticks them off to alleviate such needs for bell towers. :)

New vent: I want to kill my new Cat this morning - we got a group of semi-wild kittens here (3 or 4 months old) and over the past couple weeks we have gotten some of them to come in to the kitchen on their own (in an effort to socialize them to humans). This morning one of the more timid ones came in, completely on her own and my large house cat (Sister) attacked her, then me when I tried to stop her from attacking the much smaller animal.
Sister is a very large black cat, and I am learning a bit of a bully to other animals (I inherited her last month when her owner died). Oddly Sister is normally a sweet-heart to humans. All lovey and soft pawed around us.
Needless to say I feel rather disappointed in Sisters behavior.

Wyrm member, 568 postsWed 22 Jul 2015at 16:07

msg #7

Re: Vents with allowed responses - 3

In reply to ShadoPrism (msg # 6):

Ah, yeah. The problem is that it is an older cat, dealing with new interlopers in it's recently claimed territory. Something the new kittens would have learned otherwise.

Just like integrating cats to humans, you have to integrate cats to cats. Especially if they start showing weakness or start sniffing by "important" parts of the house like the food dish...it might seem random but there are just variables at play you can't sense because you're not a cat (probably :P)

I have a very hostile cat and it took years before my second cat was "accepted" and they still fight occasionally. For the first several months the hostile cat would hiss and howl and swipe at the other cat but over time it learned it didn't have to really compete for food or attention and in the winters they would cuddle up next to each other for warmth.

Brianna member, 1987 postsWed 22 Jul 2015at 21:00

msg #9

Re: Vents with allowed responses - 3

Some cats just won't consider the existence of other cats. Molly, the cat who lives downstairs, is one of those. She is a terrible bully whenever another cat is around; she even still stalks the door between our place and there, looking for the cat who lives up here. I'm told she's so territorial that when they take our cat's litter box downstairs to wash it, she immediately hops in and uses it, even if she just used her own. When there was a foster down there for a while, she would climb over the gate put up to separate them, though she's in her late teens and normally well beyond anything so strenuous. They had to put another gate on top of the first, not just to prevent violence, but for fear she would hurt herself. Of course, then the two of them sat one each side and hissed, even though they couldn't see one another, and she wouldn't have been able to hear him.

Also our cat had previously lived her entire life with another cat, both about eight or nine, but the other cat still picked on her (the main of several reasons she now lives somewhere else as the only cat). It didn't tend to be so violent, but it was still unpleasant.

Sister may be like that, especially if she didn't previously have to share.

Actually she did share, but the other cat IS a stereotypical scaredy cat. Just looking at him can cause him to run away. He is 10 years older than her (Charlie), he now roams around the neighborhood cause the Only person he would let near him is the woman who died.
He still comes around and eats at the outside cat's bowls though, so we know he is around.

Sister barely tolerates our dog to. He gets with in a foot of her and the claws come out. Though she doesn't hiss at him (she prefers stealth attacks with our Golden Retriever). He learned very quickly that she Only behaves herself when a human is near by, the rest of the time he has learned to avoid her.

If I receive another submission in one of my games for some uber-secret special forces, mega-powered, untouchable, past-filled-with-tragedy character, I'm going to shut down any and all submissions.

Shapeshifters are already killing machines, so why do people feel the need to make them so insanely over the top with their background? You weren't always a monster. At one point you had a life, maybe a family, went to school, had friends. Why does that life HAVE to be a selection of the most poorly-written, over-used, dystopian sludge that people can come up with?

I get excited when people send an RTJ asking if they can join, and then dread opening the next PM, knowing it will probably contain the hack concept that will kill another little piece of my faith in humanity.

While I don't get submissions like those, I understand your frustration. Seems to me the point of role playing is the create a character who has all of those traits thru the playing of the game! I can't count how many games I've played where the first level character I am playing beside is first level and has already defeated all the greatest swordsmen in their homeland, or something equally outlandish.

Disclaimer: I feel like maybe I'm supposed to be angry in order to vent, because that's what I keep reading in these threads but... I dunno. I guess I think maybe there are other emotions that might need some venting too, you know? Anyways, this is one of those non-angry posts so, if you're looking for anger, you might want to scroll down. Sorry if this is the wrong place for this, I just... suffice it to say, I needed to vent.

Sometimes, I feel alone. I'm not alone, almost ever. I'm surrounded by people at work, I've got two roommates and an overbearingly affectionate cat (when he's not scared by some gentle noise or a soft movement from across the ocean), and I'm online all the time talking to people, roleplaying, and generally interacting with a few dozen people everyday. But I feel alone, and I guess that's important.

I've always liked to roleplay because it takes my mind off of things, off of that loneliness I feel. It whisks me away to be somewhere else, to be someone else who isn't so alone. It's why I write. It's why I read. And, sometimes, I feel like it wouldn't be such a bad thing if it would just work all the time. It doesn't though. I don't know of anything that works every single time (some things are getting mighty close though).

I don't mean to sound like one of those people that relies on escapism to avoid my problems. I don't. I face a lot of my problems head on (well, maybe at an angle) and I keep on going until I've found a solution, until I've found something that works for me and works within the system I'm in. I don't run from everything, I just have to run occasionally because when I say I tackle everything that comes my way what I mean is that I take on responsibilities and problems I really shouldn't in order to help other people. I break myself in order to make certain that, when the day's done, everyone else can smile, can feel better, can go to sleep and not wake up in a cold sweat because something was left undone.

I'm killing myself to make other people happy, and that's why I feel alone.

I don't think anyone really gets it. I think there are a lot of people who can understand it. I think there are even more who can give advice - perfect and wonderful advice, the kind of advice I would give out to anyone who came asking - but that advice never works for me. Why? Because the advice always comes from the same place. It comes from wanting to help me, and I am wholly unconcerned with helping me. I survive. I push through. I withstand whatever it is the world can muster up to throw at me because that's what it takes to be the person I want to be: the person who can help people when they need it. I don't really need to worry about me, because I've made it through more than most people do in a lifetime already. I should know; everyone says so once they've heard my story (does that mean it's true? Maybe. Maybe not. I don't really know and I don't think it's all that important).

I'm no saint. I'm stubborn as a wall made of mules for the same reasons that I'm endlessly patient with friends and family. I'm blinded by my own ambitions, because in trying to see and handle everything I miss so much. I'm slipping. Slowly, but surely, I'm slipping into something. Madness or depression or who-knows-what. It doesn't really matter. I'm just slipping.

In the end though, I haven't met someone who really gets it. Someone who can understand the mindset without pushing all of these outside ideas onto it. Someone who doesn't think that my drive to be a martyr (yes, I know, I'm Tyr the Martyr, we'll all laugh about it later) is inherently bad, because I don't see it that way. And I guess that's why I feel alone.

I'm tired, and rambling, and this is all really just a way to get my mind to stop screaming at me so I can finally get some sleep, but thank you for reading, if you have. I should perhaps save this, go back over it in the morning and make my points more eloquently and completely than they appear here, but that would defeat the purpose, neh? You don't choose to keep some of the noxious fumes inside. You don't pretty up the smoke before you left it out the chimney. Right? Right...

Before I get any advice though, I just want to make certain people know what I would say to myself if someone else came to me like this because, well, I feel this is as much a part of the vent as the rest of it. I know better, I can make the arguments for why I should stop, but I don't because of what I've said above. Humor me, I suppose, if you're still reading.

Being a martyr isn't all it's cracked up to be. It's dirty. It's rough. And it will break you. It's meant to. And you can't help anyone if you're broken. You need to fix yourself, you need to take care of yourself if you ever hope to effectively take care of anyone else. Sure, you might be able to stumble through and support someone on your broken leg, but you'd be able to support two if you'd just let your leg heal.

No one wants to see you hurting. Your worst enemies might, but who actually has enemies these days? Some people hold grudges. Some people don't like other people. But it's rare - so rare that it's almost extinct - that anyone would actually want to see you slowly wither away just so you could help someone else. No matter what you think there are people who care, people who want to help you, and you're hurting them by hurting yourself. It's a vicious cycle and you need to be a part of the solution if you want to break it. You can still help people. You can still do the right thing. You just might need to take it a bit more slowly, but you'll do it better if you do. You will; you just have to trust me on that.

And... I guess that's all. Sorry for the disorganization and the almost childish nature of my complaints, but... yeah. Maybe I should've used more colors...

I have to say this. I get where your coming from. Been through allot of it myself over my lifetime. Though the last few years it feels like I hit a wall and yet something keeps trying to push me through it.
So I come here, read other peoples problems, or thoughts, or games or what ever. Sometimes I offer my 2.5 cents (.5 is for inflation), try to mix in a little humor (I know my humor is strange, I have people tell me that allot). The Depression and Madness are pretty much the same really. The mind trying to cope with and defend against the insanity of life I suppose. (The Madness part is not so bad really. Helps with the Gaming stuff from time to time, especially if your a GM).

That said, venting need not be about anger, its a thread to get things off ones chest, for good or ill, to let go of some things and try and help or get help from others. To find those of us who are like us but just different enough to be able to offer help or support or just an ear to listen (well eyes to read, this is a blog site after all).

At any rate, despite how your feeling, your not really alone, there are other people out there in similar boats, just paddling different streams. (I imagine a few trying to go against the flow to, some people are just like that).

Take heart man, we few good souls need to look out for each other to. (we few, pig headed, do or die or blue-tch till we die types)

kouk member, 580 postsThu 23 Jul 2015at 22:28

msg #15

Re: Depression and Madness, the good side

I take on too much myself, and am still trying to learn to let stuff go.

I won't say any of that hackneyed normal stuff Tyr. It's simpler and more effective to go to a psychiatrist, with an eye toward a low dosage anti-depressant. Not to "fix your loneliness" but just to take the self-hating edge off a bit and give you the breathing room to work on the boring long term solutions you already know.

Humans use tools. Medicine is a tool. Doctor-prescribed is better than self-prescribed because you can use an eyeglass screwdriver with some low dosage stuff compared to a hammer of recreational drugs and alcohol.

After years of paying people hundreds of dollars to replace my brakes, I decided to learn to do it myself. Heck, I recently replaced the water pump, powersteering pump, and did a coolant system and transmission flush/filter change on my Grand Cherokee, so I figured I'd try the brakes on the Civic next.

Once more I'm furious at how mechanics rip people off. Start to finish, replacing the front rotors and pads on my Civic cost me $80 and took 45 minutes. The local shops want over $300 for the service. When the rain stops I'll be going back out to do the same to my Jeep. That one was estimated at almost $500, but it's costing me $150 in parts.

Noooot to be that guy or anything because, to a certain extent, I'm sure you're right, but there's a lot to consider with a price like $300. It not only includes the parts and the 45 minutes of base labor to replace, but it also usually includes multiple tests (including the time and equipment it takes to run those tests), the parts that they order may be of a different quality than the one you bought, and they are trying to make a profit, not just break even as a business. So... while you're absolutely right that you can save yourself a ton of money doing it yourself, they're not necessarily trying to rip you off just because they charge 6 times as much as you spent doing it yourself.

Just a thought. I don't know the whole story, so please feel free to correct me. Just going off of the experiences I have in jobs like those and with family in jobs like those. Lots of rip-off artists in the business, but it's not necessarily that way.

I bought the highest quality brake parts available and know for a fact that if I drove my car into the local Midas or Meinike and said "replace the rotors and pads", they wouldn't bother with any tests. I had worn rotors: there's nothing to test on those unless I wanted them to turn them down (and that's simply measuring the thickness of the rotors to see if there's enough meat left to them to turn; as an Air Force machinist, I know how to do all that). As for tests for the other parts I worked on, I paid for the diagnostic tests separately -- and then got the "oh look, a woman; let's tell her a bunch of BS about expensive repairs that need to be done."

Seriously, I had a dealer tell me that it would cost $2200 to replace the transmission control modules in my Jeep (1 TCM, 1 shifter control module). They said it would be $1300 for parts and 9 hours for installation. I bought the parts myself from the same place the dealership was buying them -- for $500 total. I, an individual purchaser, should not be able to broker a better deal with a parts supplier than a business making hundreds of thousands of dollars in purchases in a year. Well, one part took me FIFTEEN MINUTES to install because it was literally a piece that plugged in right under the steering wheel (the TCM). That included the time it took me to disconnect and reconnect the battery before touching the computer parts. The other part took me forty-five minutes because I had to remove parts of the dash to get the cover off the shifter and I'm not as familiar with pulling those. I find it hard to believe that it would take someone who does this kind of thing for a living eight hours longer to install these parts than it took me, someone with only basic mechanic skills.

And I've caught mechanics trying to play me, thinking I don't know anything about auto repair. First was the dealer who told me I needed a complete transmission replacement, this was after the TCM replacement. No, what I needed was a transmission flush and filter change. Then I had a mechanic at one place doing an oil change on my Odyssey come out telling me that my radiator was "gushing" fluid and that I would need a radiator repair. I'm disabled, female, and driving a minivan: they clearly thought I was a sucker. I said "funny, the engine temp hasn't been high, and there've been no puddles in my pristine concrete driveway. Heck, there isn't even a drip out there in the handicapped spot where you just pulled it from. How about you take me back there and show me this gushing leak. And bring your manager." I get back to the car and the mechanic is hemming and hawing over there being no fluid anywhere to be seen, not on the ground, not in a collection tray, not on my engine which was up on a lift. Oh, and my coolant reservoir was full. He finally pointed to a green stain on a bolt where some thread lock had dripped down. When I informed him that a drip of threadlock was in no way cause to tell me I needed $1500 of radiator repair on a two year old car, he got pissed and asked if I was calling him a liar. I told him that's exactly what I was calling him, and told the manager I wanted someone else to finish the oil change while I watched and I wouldn't be leaving the garage area until my car was ready to put back in the parking lot. Oh, and I wanted corporate's number.

If a mechanic wants to charge whatever the market will bear for their hourly rate, more power to them. My complaint is that they will lie about what repairs are needed, lie about how much the parts will cost, lie about how long those repairs actually take, and use that to pad their wallets. I get that people need to make a profit, but that is just a rip off no matter which way you cut it.

Having gone through some of what Evil is saying, i get it to. I shopped around allot till I found a good trust worthy mechanic. Been using his services for over 20 + years now. He guarantee's his work and has even gone in and fixed things that did not work right for no additional cost (save parts cost, but no work fee). THAT is rare in any business these days, but it works very well. (The hardest thing there is getting my car looked at cause the place is usually packed with we locals, who come from all over the county, to get things done by him and his crew.)

For a single mother (not actually mine but is my child) why is everything so stereotyped nowadays? Like because I have a child and I'm in my very early twenties it made me a teen mother, someone who just wants benefits and more children?

What happened to getting to know someone? Learning their story?

That and it makes dating so much harder, being single I've had my fair shares of... (Couple of dates in or first)

Me: Oh yeah my little one loves watching the superhero movies. (Example)Date: You have a child? Do you keep in contact with the dad? Are you on good terms? How old were you when you had her/him?

Pretty soon the date turns into 20 questions and it's a fine line between making your date go "Awh" to "Where the Figs the exit?"

I just wish people would listen to others stories before judging them and give them a chance to explain themselves. I have no problem telling you my reasons and my logic if you just stick around to hear it.

Not to discount a whole slew of possibilities, but I'm just going to focus on one tiny little part of what's going on: many guys do not want to be instant dads, especially if there will constantly be another man in the relationship (the baby daddy). How you came to be a momma at whatever age is also of importance for someone looking for particular qualities. Yes, it's judgmental to say that a teen mom made bad choices to get where she is, but in the dating scene many people don't want to waste time on something that are going to be odds on against them.

But don't lose hope: if there's someone out there who can deal with my strawberries for the last twenty years, there's someone who can handle yours. ;-)

Little_Devil member, 141 postsTue 28 Jul 2015at 02:03

msg #26

Re: Single Mothers & Judging/Stereotypes

Oh no I completely understand that. In my case they wouldn't be a Dad anyway, but I can see in many cases that sort of responsibility may just not be for them at that time and age.

The stereotypes that come from it, just makes it seem not worth it, you know? Especially when in my case all of them are incorrect.

And thanks, I shall keep looking. After all, if I find someone who can first put up with me, now that's a winner ;-)

silverelf member, 143 postsTue 28 Jul 2015at 20:12

msg #27

Re: Single Mothers & Judging/Stereotypes

A little pet peeve,
So I am not on to get on a soap box,but I find elitists to be so very irritating. When there are things like Only experienced writers need to apply, it irks me. Not for myself but for those people who are new, experienced doesn't always mean good. I have seen newcomers that were just awesome, and excellent at writing posts, quality of quantity. We were all there at some point, where we started out. So sorry for the little vent, but I just needed a moment.

Brianna member, 1988 postsTue 28 Jul 2015at 21:48

msg #28

Re: Single Mothers & Judging/Stereotypes

In reply to Little_Devil (msg # 26):

Try to learn to use that to your advantage too? I mean the guys are 'screening' you based on some information, use what you learn about them to do your own screening. You will surely miss out on some who might be fun to the moment, but do you really want to try and have a serious relationship with someone who judges you that way?

ShadoPrism member, 819 postsWed 29 Jul 2015at 04:06

[deleted]| msg #29

Is Bumping a thread against the rules ?

This message was deleted by a moderator, as it was against the forum rules, at 04:26, Wed 29 July 2015.

Beltain5001 member, 1 post Blessed Be!Wed 29 Jul 2015at 04:58

msg #30

One line respones Blarg

Okay so I am not a beginner or an expert when it comes to Rpol but I currently play in 2 different games. And I can't help but noticed that I have come a crossed players that give a one line replies. If the owner of a game clearly asks you to at least give a small paragraph in your post, why would not do that. It just simply erks me to no end. I write nice detailed posts and then you have Joe smoe giving you crappy one line replies...Argh...sorry I just had to get that out. -_-

Do you mean newcomers to the site? Because newcomers to the site don't necessarily have to be newcomers to writing/RPing.

I understand that some people can be intimidated by the requirement that they be 'experienced' in order to apply for a game, but I see nothing wrong with that. We're here to have fun, and some of us, like myself, and like Beltain5001 who posted just before me, don't have fun, and in fact get frustrated, if we have to deal with people making one-line responses. Typically if someone asks for 'experienced' writers they're not going to ask how long you've been writing and what your 'credentials' are, they're going to look at the quality of your writing, and if it's not good enough, they won't accept you, regardless of how long you've been doing it, and if your writing is good, they won't care if you're fairly new. The simple fact of the matter is though, that writing is a skill that takes practice. Even people with natural talent can't be fantastic the first time they put pen to paper, so if you are looking for a certain quality of writing, looking for 'experienced' writers is probably a decent way to go.

I have to say that it's one of my pet peeves when people complain about 'elitists.' We're not trying to upset anyone, and believe me we often feel terrible when we have to turn people away. But we're entitled to look for the kind of writing experience we want and create an environment that encourages it, especially since this is our leisure activity. There are plenty of games that welcome new players. If someone is put off of RPing completely because they see one or two games that won't accept them because they're new, they need to grow a thicker skin.

silverelf member, 144 postsWed 29 Jul 2015at 16:02

msg #32

Re: One line respones Blarg

Beltain5001:

Joe smoe giving you crappy one line replies...Argh...sorry I just had to get that out. -_-

It happens, we have all been there. Have you tried to ask him to increase the amount he writes ?

Beltain5001 member, 2 posts Blessed Be!Wed 29 Jul 2015at 16:07

msg #33

Re: One line respones Blarg

In reply to silverelf (msg # 32):

It's not my place to say. I have brought it up with the owner of the game. I leave it on his hands.

silverelf member, 145 postsWed 29 Jul 2015at 16:07

msg #34

Re: One line respones Blarg

@Silver_Cat
Yeah new comers on the site. I was in a group at one point that had people unwilling to accept new blood, since they "don't know the site" and the person wasn't new to writing just the place.

I recognize where your coming from. I do very detailed posts, but I also like to help others, as you mentioned its suppose to be fun, each persons view of fun is different, and I know that it was just something that made me grrr at the moment. It wasn't directed at you, as I do not know you, and I don't believe we've been in any games together.

Wyrm member, 571 postsWed 29 Jul 2015at 16:31

msg #35

Re: One line respones Blarg

THere is also the "Looking for GM/game" thread as well as the gaming idea thread. Good places to cut your teeth one.

Well personally I don't see how someone being new to the site should matter at all. As long as they can figure out how to post, it shouldn't impact the quality of their RPing, and GMs should be willing to help people with technical issues even if they only want advanced writers, in my opinion. That seems like it should just be one of the responsibilities that goes along with GMing.

I have the feeling I know what prompted that vent from you, and I'm not involved in that game at all, so I'm not personally offended by anything you said in particular. It's just the general attitude I run across sometimes where people get angry about GMs expecting a certain level of skill that can get on my nerves, because I've gotten abuse from those people in the past.

what matters most to me is when i get rtjs like this i cant handle posts with no punctuation or capitalization i mean really whos going to want to read pages like this

kouk member, 581 postsWed 29 Jul 2015at 22:33

msg #38

Re: One line respones Blarg

In reply to Evil Empryss (msg # 37):

IKR? H8 th@t sheet <3

Sometimes one-liners are supremely appropriate. Sometimes people don't have the time but feel they have to put something out. Although more for daily games, if you go several days and produce the one liner it's a bit ... disappointing.

Wyrm member, 572 postsWed 29 Jul 2015at 22:55

msg #39

Re: One line respones Blarg

In reply to kouk (msg # 38):

I'm guilty of that. But usually my one-liners are indicative of a quick jump from my previous post. I usually only post changes in tone, posture or other non-verbal clues when it is pertinent to my partner(s)'s own post. But I never do a series of One-liners.

jait member, 332 postsThu 30 Jul 2015at 01:14

msg #40

Aspiring Model - Photo-Shoot, No-Show

Rargh.

An hours drive north to work with a model who's brand new to the industry. I'm one of the better "staged model" photographers in the area. So, when I drive an hour out of my way to shoot with you, it's your responsibility to tell me that you're not going to bother to show up to the shoot session, when you decide.

I get it, you're new. This is uncomfortable to you. You're going to have to suck it up at some point, because the new stuff is always uncomfortable. Set up your safety-protocols and follow-them. Don't go into a shoot blind and unprepared. You're not just wasting my time, you could be wasting the makeup-artists time, the hairdresser's time, and other support-people's time. It's not unusual to have four or five support-people on-set for a shoot.

It's experiences like this that make me want to stop shooting with new people. I don't want to be an elitist, but I don't have time for this.

This message was lightly edited by the user at 01:15, Thu 30 July 2015.

Send the new model a nice fat for the windshield time it took to drive there and then the drive home.

silverelf member, 146 postsThu 30 Jul 2015at 12:06

msg #42

Re: Aspiring Model - Photo-Shoot, No-Show

@Silver_Cat I don't think that people should be abusing you either,-hugs- I think your quiet charming from what I have seen and spoken to you here!

@Kouk I've seen that with history ,someone wrote two lines of history for an 18th level character. In a game I was co-dming at the time. Than had a go at the dm over being not accepted because she was looking for something to work with.

Personally, I write to match my rp partner.

Eggy member, 590 postsThu 30 Jul 2015at 16:42

msg #43

Re: More appointment woes

I work on call. Recently, I had a dental appointment with a follow up scheduled for the 4th at 9:30. I let my boss know and put it on his calendar. Today, I got a notice from him. I'm scheduled for a job from 10 to 2 on the 4th. I reminded him of the dental appointment and asked for a bit of time before I commit to the job. I figured I could reschedule with the dentist or get someone to fill in for me on site. I went to the dental clinic because I like to do reschedules in person just so there's no mix ups. My new appointment is for 3pm on the 4th. Great. On my way back to the boss, I got a text reminder from the clinic:

Your next appointment is scheduled for 3pm on Tuesday, August 4th. Please be 15 minutes early.

8:45, I confirmed times and location with my boss and committed to the job. 9:10, I met with some coworkers to make travel arrangements. I'm on hold with an airline right now and two minutes ago I got a new text from the dental clinic:

Your next appointment is scheduled for 11am on Tuesday, August 4th.

I got on another line to call the dental clinic. My appointment was rescheduled because the dentist's schedule changed. If I can't make it on the 4th at 11, the next available slot is on the 14th of September. I need to go to the dentist more than I need to take this job, but I'm going to look like such a flaky jerk. :c

This message was last edited by the user at 16:43, Thu 30 July 2015.

OceanLake member, 912 postsThu 30 Jul 2015at 20:22

msg #44

Re: More appointment woes

Regarding the model: Is there a policy that allows the model to bring a friend/relative, who will stay out of the way, to observe...sort of a duenna.

kouk member, 584 postsFri 31 Jul 2015at 10:09

msg #45

Re: More appointment woes

Isn't there some sort of introductory pamphlet to give new people, explaining the process?