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Trump at his most ridiculous. The USA suffers under a government shutdown forced by this clown's ego and his desperation to prove to his moronic "base" that he will keep his promise. Although, his ranting about getting Mexico to pay for it has gone mysteriously silent...……..

Even Republican gynecologists are starting to agree that clinically, Trump is a cunt.

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Shitstain is threatening again to declare a National Emergency over the border wall. But we can agree that at least Shitstain isn't arrogant. Anyways, this is a Chekov's Gun thing at this point. Yes, it's stupid but he's promised this stupid thing to his stupid people who will be quite upset if they don't get their daily dose of stupidity.

Tom and our other Fakebertarians will be along shortly to beam about how resolute Shitstain is in addressing a clear and present danger. Jeff will remind us that at least we don't have Hillary who the Democrats shouldn't have nominated before running off to a gun thread. Guy will be concerned but cautiously optimistic.

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Shitstain is threatening again to declare a National Emergency over the border wall. But we can agree that at least Shitstain isn't arrogant. Anyways, this is a Chekov's Gun thing at this point. Yes, it's stupid but he's promised this stupid thing to his stupid people who will be quite upset if they don't get their daily dose of stupidity.

Tom and our other Fakebertarians will be along shortly to beam about how resolute Shitstain is in addressing a clear and present danger. Jeff will remind us that at least we don't have Hillary who the Democrats shouldn't have nominated before running off to a gun thread. Guy will be concerned but cautiously optimistic.

I'll be concerned when/if it looks like it will happen. Guess what, O? It's still not going to put Mme Clinton in the White House for you.

Firstly, congratulations for agreeing that tRump is daft. Many people are saying it.

Second, 19, mostly Saudi citizens, who flew into the country on visas and then overstayed. Totally irrelevant to the discussion of a wall, except to demonstrate how, in fact, irrelevant a wall is to border security.

I would like to offer a comment if I may,

Domestic terrorism over the last 18 years since 9/11 has been a far greater threat to the country's safety and stability than anything foreign bred or born.

The terrorism being practiced at the Oval Office, by Presidunce Dolt 45, is theatening the Country's safety and stability!!

No. The Republican party primary voters choosing a batshit crazy lunatic who'd yell wish fulfillment bullshit got us here. They had plenty of people to choose from and the picked the least qualified - by whatever metric you want to use, capability, intelligence, morals, work ethic - candidate in the history of the US. Then the Republican party went all in supporting this moron.

No. The Republican party primary voters choosing a batshit crazy lunatic who'd yell wish fulfillment bullshit got us here. They had plenty of people to choose from and the picked the least qualified - by whatever metric you want to use, capability, intelligence, morals, work ethic - candidate in the history of the US. Then the Republican party went all in supporting this moron.

I think you two are talking about different things

Trump's success in the primary? Yeah that's a very telling point about just how fucked up the core of the Republican Party is..... and therefor it shouldn't come as a surprise that an advertising campaign of essentially the same substantiveness as "If you like Pepsi, you gotta fuckin' hate-hate-HATE Coke" succeeded in convincing an even greater number of Republicans that "anybody but Clinton" was the desired result. Helped by the KKK and Nazis.

The fact that the enthusiasm of the KKK and Nazis and other assorted lowlifes is what put Trump over the top and gave him the win ought to be a huge wake-up for American politics in general.

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The fact that the enthusiasm of the KKK and Nazis and other assorted lowlifes is what put Trump over the top and gave him the win ought to be a huge wake-up for American politics in general.

Jeff will be by shortly to correct you. He'll tell you that if Democrats had only nominated anyone but Hillary, that Republicans, perhaps even Jeff himself would have gladly voted for whomever it was. Indeed that we only have Democrats to blame for our sorry situation. The KKK and Nazis, some of who I assume are good people, are not responsible. And those KKK and Nazis are only reacting to antifa provocation. And stuff.

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Jeff will be by shortly to correct you. He'll tell you that if Democrats had only nominated anyone but Hillary, then Republicans, perhaps even Jeff himself, would have gladly voted for whomever it was. Indeed that we only have Democrats to blame for our sorry situation. The KKK and Nazis, some who I assume are good people, are not responsible. And stuff. ﻿

JHC first you miss a comma and then write a sentence like "The KKK and Nazis, some who I assume are good people, are not responsible."﻿

We're trying to hold the non-reich-wingers here to some standard of literacy, at a minimum it should be "some of whom" if not a completely different (non-Prussian preferably) word order.

Did you never diagram sentences in grade school? Philistine!

-DSK

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Trump's success in the primary? Yeah that's a very telling point about just how fucked up the core of the Republican Party is..... and therefor it shouldn't come as a surprise that an advertising campaign of essentially the same substantiveness as "If you like Pepsi, you gotta fuckin' hate-hate-HATE Coke" succeeded in convincing an even greater number of Republicans that "anybody but Clinton" was the desired result. Helped by the KKK and Nazis.

The fact that the enthusiasm of the KKK and Nazis and other assorted lowlifes is what put Trump over the top and gave him the win ought to be a huge wake-up for American politics in general.

-DSK

Oh, sure, they hated Hillary. They still hate Hillary. But hating Hillary doesn't require supporting Trump much less liking him.

And Republicans love Trump. He gets stellar ratings from them in everything he does. 100+ weeks of the Trump presidency and Republicans haven't felt bad about a damn thing he's done and still support him in droves. We are where we are because Republicans picked the crazy lunatic and still support the crazy lunatic. So, lets treat them as the party of the crazy lunatic, err Donald Trump. Lets not pretend they are what they obviously aren't anymore. Flake/Corkers/Romney - they just bullshit to make themselves feel better and fall right back in line supporting Trump.

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Oh, sure, they hated Hillary. They still hate Hillary. But hating Hillary doesn't require supporting Trump much less liking him.

And Republicans love Trump. He gets stellar ratings from them in everything he does. 100+ weeks of the Trump presidency and Republicans haven't felt bad about a damn thing he's done and still support him in droves. We are where we are because Republicans picked the crazy lunatic and still support the crazy lunatic. So, lets treat them as the party of the crazy lunatic, err Donald Trump. Lets not pretend they are what they obviously aren't anymore.

Here's a great idea: why don't you, and as many other libby-rull whackoes as you can get, act like assholes yourselves?

That will certainly do the trick of convincing a lot of Republicans who are uncomfortable with Trump to get off the bus.

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Here's a great idea: why don't you, and as many other libby-rull whackoes as you can get, act like assholes yourselves?

That will certainly do the trick of convincing a lot of Republicans who are uncomfortable with Trump to get off the bus.

-DSK

Seriously, Republicans are quite happy with Shitstain and there's absolutely nothing we can do or not do to change that situation. He polls at like 90% amongst Republicans. Liberals are trying to convince independents and judging from November, we've done a decent job.

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Tom and our other Fakebertarians will be a﻿long shortly to beam about how resolute Shitstain is in addressing a clear and present danger. Jeff will remind us that at least we don't have Hillary who the Democrats shouldn't have nominated before running off to a gun thread. Guy will be concerned but cautiously optimistic.﻿﻿

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From 1958: A con man named Trump.

What the fresh hell. This is REAL. Filmed in 1958- about a conman who grifts a small town of suckers into building a wall. History not subtle enough for you? GUESS THE GRIFTER'S NAME
(And watch until the end)

From 1958: A con man named Trump.

What the fresh hell. This is REAL. Filmed in 1958- about a conman who grifts a small town of suckers into building a wall. History not subtle enough for you? GUESS THE GRIFTER'S NAME
(And watch until the end)

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It's not going to be a concrete wall, he's now talking about a steel barrier. Should be good for business if you own a scrapyard in Mexico near the border. Sales of ladders and oxy torches will be brisk. Far from paying for it, Mexicans will profit from it.

Meanwhile, the majority of illegal immigrants will simply continue to fly in and stay when their visa runs out. Similarly the vast majority of smuggled drugs will continue to come in disguised in commercial shipments.

I read a costing of $20million per mile. Fuckwit's $5billion would get him 200 miles of a near-2000 mile border.

Trump keeps reminding me of Governor LePetomaine from the classic movie Blazing Saddles. The similarities (apart from the hair) are just uncanny.

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"Border Patrol agents apprehended 27,518 members of family units in December, the highest monthly total on record. That figure has steadily climbed for five months, even as Trump made stopping migrant caravans the centerpiece of his midterm election strategy and drove Washington into a partial government shutdown over funding for his border wall".

"Border Patrol agents apprehended 27,518 members of family units in December, the highest monthly total on record. That figure has steadily climbed for five months, even as Trump made stopping migrant caravans the centerpiece of his midterm election strategy and drove Washington into a partial government shutdown over funding for his border wall".

In 2005, however, Trump was delighted to find that the Supreme Court had okayed the brand of government-abetted theft that he’d twice attempted. “I happen to agree with it 100 percent,” he told Fox News’s Neil Cavuto of the Kelo decision.

Amazing that the poster boy for crony capitalism is somehow seen as a person who won't use government to screw people.

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I'd expect, well, more violations of procedural rights and shortchanging property owners. How about you?

By the way, do you agree with Trump about this?

You convinced me that a continuous wall through remote areas is not necessary. However that our border is not secure is obvious to anyone not in denial and I don't doubt that more barrier (call it whatever you want) in some areas would be helpful.

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You convinced me that a continuous wall through remote areas is not necessary. However that our border is not secure is obvious to anyone not in denial and I don't doubt that more barrier (call it whatever you want) in some areas would be helpful.

I disagree, until you take the "help wanted" sign down they will find a way. You need to fix immigration but that won't happen because the powers that be need to take advantage of the cheap illegal labor. You demand cheap Chinese made goods from sweat houses and cheap produce from slave labor or you will call it a "tax" (bad) while at the same time demanding higher taxes (good)! You ever heard the term, "herd animal mentality"?

You are 20 plus trillion in debt, mate. Throwing good money after bad is not a good strategy. You should not be discussing a spending bill. Get a fucking grip.

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You convinced me that a continuous wall through remote areas is not necessary. However that our border is not secure is obvious to anyone not in denial and I don't doubt that more barrier (call it whatever you want) in some areas would be helpful.

Trump knows a wall can't stop people from a dream of a better life.

“Never ever give up,” he urged graduates at Wagner College on New York’s Staten Island:

“Don’t give up. Don’t allow it to happen. If there’s a concrete wall in front of you, go through it, go over it, go around it, but get to the other side of that wall.”

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You're partially correct - but, the continued jackass behavior will certainly do one thing, and that's to convince anyone who might be on the fence to make sure that they don't come down on your side.

Ahhh, the usual double standard. Right wingers are allowed to be jackasses without recourse or remorse. The left wing, not so much. It's our fault we want the Republicans to accept responsibility for the primary candidate they selected, the president they elected, and the president they still support. Trump is the Republican party. He is the face of "conservatism". If you don't like that, change it. Right now all you guys do is pearl clutch... and fall right back in line supporting him. Like the party is doing with the Wall.

Republicans have had 2 years to fund this wall. A majority of them in the House thought it was stupid. Leaders have repeatedly said it was a dumb idea. It didn't get well funded. Now with a showdown fueled by Trumps ego they suddenly crow it's the Democrats fault? Bullshit. That's just cheap opportunism to support the party and Trump. There was a choice between honesty and consistency or supporting the party line and Trump. From the base on up you guys chose Trump. Own it. He's a moronic babbling sexpest who couldn't negotiate out of a wet piece of toilet paper. He's the Republican Party.

I'd expect, well, more violations of procedural rights and shortchanging property owners. How about you?

By the way, do you agree with Trump about this?

You convinced me that a continuous wall through remote areas is not necessary. However that our border is not secure is obvious to anyone not in denial and I don't doubt that more barrier (call it whatever you want) in some areas would be helpful.

I agree with all of that, but none of it answers any of the questions asked about using eminent domain to acquire the needed property.

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You convinced me that a continuous wall through remote areas is not necessary. However that our border is not secure is obvious to anyone not in denial and I don't doubt that more barrier (call it whatever you want) in some areas would be helpful.

Since the primary source of undocumented immigrants is visa overstays after legal entry (primarily though airports) and drugs through legal ports of entry, what does a physical barrier do, other than allow the President to fulfill a campaign promise?

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Since the primary source of undocumented immigrants is visa overstays after legal entry (primarily though airports) and drugs through legal ports of entry, what does a physical barrier do, other than allow the President to fulfill a campaign promise?

Provide something shiny to distract his base from the walls closing in?

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This is too funny. Trump gonna need more money to make his wall out of Titanium. Emphasis on COMMON TOOLS

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Department of Homeland Security testing of a prototype of the steel-slat design that Donald Trump favors for his Mexico border wall proved that it could be cut through with a saw, NBC News reports. A photo obtained by the network shows the slats with a gaping hole in the middle after experts from the Marine Corps were instructed to attempt to destroy the barriers with common tools. Testing by DHS in late 2017 showed all eight prototypes, including Trump’s favored steel slats, were vulnerable to breaching, according to a Customs and Border Protection report from last February

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This is too funny. Trump gonna need more money to make his wall out of Titanium. Emphasis on COMMON TOOLS

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Department of Homeland Security testing of a prototype of the steel-slat design that Donald Trump favors for his Mexico border wall proved that it could be cut through with a saw, NBC News reports. A photo obtained by the network shows the slats with a gaping hole in the middle after experts from the Marine Corps were instructed to attempt to destroy the barriers with common tools. Testing by DHS in late 2017 showed all eight prototypes, including Trump’s favored steel slats, were vulnerable to breaching, according to a Customs and Border Protection report from last February

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The United States has very loose tool control. In fact, there was this program that got started in the W administration which let tool owners in the US send their tools into Mexico. This was actually a bad thing but Republicans only started complaining about it when the Kenyan got elected.

"On the 20th day of the shutdown, the GOP group tried to jump start bipartisan talks before Trump declares a national emergency to get his wall. But the president rejected their idea to allow congressional committees to sort out his border wall request while the government reopened, deeming the idea likely to leave him with nothing to show for the shutdown."

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The republicans better get used of being the opposition because this sort of win at all costs democracy is such a winning strategy it’s just pissing a whole lot of thinking and capable people on both sides of the aisle right of.

The country is being lied to by a conman and they are collectively nodding in agreement FFS it’s a travesty.

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President Donald Trump, with US Customs and Border Protection agents surrounding him during a mostly substance-free Fox News interview with Sean Hannity, made the federal employees — working without pay due to the shutdown — seem a bit like props.

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If there are tens of thousands of government employees not getting paid because of this crap, why the fuck aren't they on strike and raising hell in the streets?

Seems Americans, just like Australians, and unlike Europeans, will take just about any amount of shit from their leaders and accept it like sheep.

From what I have read, today is the day. Today is the day that the first checks will not be paid. So while there has been a 21 day shutdown, no one has gone without pay to date.

So now reality strikes and the chickens come home to roost. Would seem that the pressure for our representatives and the executive to take a step forward has now come.

Another interesting point. Unless there are mass defections, there are not enough votes in Congress to overturn a presidential veto of any bills that come through and McConnell brings up for a vote in The Senate. McConnell has said he will not bring any bills to the floor for a vote that do not include border wall funding.

So since Pelosi and Schumer have dug in for what appears the long haul, and seeing that this is something other than about a partition along a small portion of the southern border, they are not leaving Trump, regardless of how you feel about him, many options. That said I should think we will see The Corps of Engineers and/or Sea Bees dispatched to the border, en masse with orders to secure the border and build more permanent partitions.

Now once that happens it will be interesting to see how Pelosi and Schumer respond. What I find curious is that P&S had a great opportunity to drive the bus regarding immigration reform and DACA...… and they passed on it over 5billion in wall funding.

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If there are tens of thousands of government employees not getting paid because of this crap, why the fuck aren't they on strike and raising hell in the streets?

Seems Americans, just like Australians, and unlike Europeans, will take just about any amount of shit from their leaders and accept it like sheep.

Exactly. They are complicit in that they’re not fighting this.

Yesterday the blob went down to the border and listened to the border patrol tell him how wonderfull he was and how all they needed was a wall. Oh and hannity was brought along to regurgitate this on national TV. (Props to non Fox News channels for not showing it).