Group sales

From Openmoko

Openmoko have announced a scheme to sell the forthcoming Neo Freerunner at a discount if bought in multiples of 10 (US$369, instead of 399), to be shipped in one package. Group buying will thus save money on the purchase, and on the shipping. This page is to to organise group purchases by region.

For calculating shipping costs, the dimensions of one 10-pack is 435mm x 371mm x 119mm. The weight should be around 3kg.

Steve from Openmoko announced "Every 10 pack, will come with a box of stuff. 10 pouches and 10 head sets."
So join us within a local group !

Austria

There is a group-buy page at MetaLab, available here: http://metalab.at/wiki/OpenMoko .. we almost have the full 10 slots assigned, and its quite possible that we will order *20* phones, so please register on the Metalab pages and let us know if you're interested ..

Estonia

Tallinn

Let's see if we can get ten people together for this. I'm willing to organise the local distribution if we can. Spread the word and try to get more locals interested in it. Yogiz 08:22, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Finland

Uusimaa

Note to gta02v6 waiting people:"The A5 boards have been reworked to remove the [LED] issue. So WRT
LEDs a5 and a6 have the same power consumption". So, no problem? Also a quote from Neo FreeRunner GTA02 Hardware#GTA02v6: "Capacitor and resistor change A6 also on mass production A5".

Alpes de Haute Provence

Manosque

Provence Alpes Cote d'Azur

Sophia Antipolis

Midi-Pyrénées

Toulouse

Germany

Baden-Württemberg

Karlsruhe

Spacemarine I'm out. Since the Freerunner is available for 300 Euro in Germany, I don't see any point in organizing a groupbuy anymore. I've sent an email to everyone else interested in the groupbuy. If you are in this list or if I met you on the Kalug Meeting, you should have gotten it.

If we don't reach the 10 phones limit in each city, maybe we could place an order in the "most requested city", and from shipping to other buyers. We'll have anyway a good discount although the "double-shipping". (Read here for reference).

Rotterdam

Utrecht

Utrecht

Status

30/30

New Zealand

Networks

As Telecom are using the 850MHz network for their GSM network, and Vodafone/northelia (possibly aka orcon) are using 900/1800MHz, please state which version you want. This may need more research, I'm not 100%; see [14] for more info

Shipping

Based on info from steve (openmoko marketing) concerning weight and size, shipping via UPS will be about US$185 (NZ$24 each phone) to Auckland.
UPS are far from the cheapest, but (again according to steve), OM have a contract with them, so this is what we are stuck with

Someone on the community list suggested using [15], a shipping company that will re-post items overseas at decent rates. They claim US$66 for a 3kg package, or NZ$8 per phone. Of course, the cost of shipping the phone from OM to the shipping company has to be added in as well.

Purchase cost

As of 2008-06-21, US$369 is worth NZ$484

Duty/taxes/other charges

import duty on mobile phones is 0%[16], and GST is 12.5% so the GST added to each phone will be NZ$64; 12.5% * (484 + 24), cos we pay GST on postage too...

So, the total cost of a Freerunner as part of a 10 pack, will be:
484 + 24 + 64
= NZ$572

+ any possible charges to get it posted elsewhere in New Zealand

You'll also need to add on disbursement fees etc. If it's UPS it's not too bad (~NZ$40) if it comes through NZ Post then it can be ~NZ$120.

Auckland

Status:10 phones requested, the required minimum (10 phones) is reached, but more buyers are still welcome to join.
13/20

Intermediary

Glen ogilvie made a suggestion, that we could use a company (e.g. someone's employer, who are likely to have easily found contact details and thus be trustworthy) to buy the phones on our behalf (after we'd paid for them), and then deliver them to us.
any volunteers? do any of you have understanding bosses/your own company that could help out here?
Dave Lane: I think Egressive would be willing to act as an intermediary. Contact me to discuss it...

Purchaser List

i'm quite happy to organise the purchase, if no-one has any objections. to ease any worries about me running off with the money, we could use an escrow service such as [18], or paypal. or does anyone have any other ideas?

Xuân Baldauf User:xbaldauf[21] Auckland CBD, 900MHz+1800MHz GSM with an EU charger clip instead of an Australian one (if this is in need to be selected). This is conditional: the transaction must complete by 2008-06-30, else I cannot participate, because I'm leaving the country afterwards.

Portugal

We also need to have a cost estimation for Portuguese customs (like the Australians did). 20% sales tax + customs tax is to be expected both for individual or bulk sales, because the price is quite high. But freedom is priceless :)

If we end up with more than one 10-pack in Sweden, my guess is that it would probably pay to order everything in one shipment to one address in Sweden to save on the international shipping, and then remail domestically.

Norrland

Umeå

Luleå

mh 1 unit, mailto:mh@rcc.se If not up to 10 by launch. i'd join any group and either pick it up or have it remailed nationally

Switzerland

1x 10 Pack ordered from pulster for the group Zürich! Read more below --Tuxfux.ch 17:20, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

??? should organize the 3 x 10pack for Zürich
Luca Capello could organize the 10pack for Geneva.
Mathieu will organisze the 2 x 10pack for Lausanne EPFL CH-fr

All payment in advance (a 10pack will cost approx 3'800 USD).

Probably we will organize shippings, if we cannot all move to Zürich/Genève/Lausanne to get our Neo.

François Bianco is trying to create a new group of 10 (will be mostly for French Switzerland). -> The group moved to the EPFL group, which will try to reach 20 persons. --Fbianco 11:42, 11 June 2008 (UTC)Gabriel Ambuehl would volunteer to order the initial 10pack. <- still accurate ? -> Gabriel will not organize the 10packs for Zürich due to not being in Switzerland. We are in contact to find a solution so please wait until we know what to do. Order in Germany (each for himself or as a group, not clear yet) could be as cheap as a 10pack. We are in contact with pulster.de and will be contacted form pulster about the price. We will contact you guys in the Zürich list as soon as we know more --Tuxfux.ch 10:26, 6 June 2008 (UTC)Alexandre Ghisoli will not organize the second 10pack, since the order moved in the Lucca's group.

Customs and Postage

I called the Swiss Federal Customs Administration and it seems that we only need to pay VAT (7.6%) and the UPS taxes as well (since the parcel will be sent through UPS). Thus I called UPS and it seems that UPS directly pays the VAT instead of the customer, then asking the customer for refund (plus a fixed tax of EUR13.00). So I think the following per-phone cost for a Swiss bulk order should be a good estimate.

Charles Wheeler (Status confirmed) Contact Note: Work in Bellevue, live in Federal Way. May not have money till mid-July.

Gino O (Status confirmed) (i n f o @ seatlewebcreations.com) I live on Beacon Hill and own 2 companies, one for web and another for opensource mobile development. I'd like to get @ least one, and may be able to cover the difference for a group purchase if need be.

Nevada

Reno/Sparks

UK

Stroller (Milton Keynes, can travel) mailto:stroller@stellar.eclipse.co.uk 01908 663 513. Thinks that breaking the UK up into regions - at least outside London - is silly. There are unlikely to be 10 people in $your_town who want a Freerunner, so some posting of Freerunners will surely be required; see the talk page. This is the same cost anywhere in the UK.

Scotland

Edinburgh

The Wiki's e-mail feature (those URLs with “Special:Emailuser” in them) does not seem to be working. I tried contacting Dave Ball and Stuart MacKinnon that way and got no reply. Later, Stuart and Dave (who I reached by writing a message here) told me they never got the e-mail. So the Wiki's e-mail feature might be broken. So please contact me by going to my web page and using my e-mail address listed there. Stuart, George, and Dave have been in contact with me by e-mail. I am happy to put anyone in Scotland who sends me e-mail in touch with the others.

Not enough people have gotten in touch so far (as of 2008-06-28) to justify a bulk order of a 10-pack. Also, there is now a UK distributor: TrueBox. Because TrueBox appears to be ordering 10-packs (and thereby getting the bonus goodies (headphones and pouches) that come in the 10-packs), it seems there is little motivation to try to organize a Scottish bulk order. So I am likely to give up on the idea of a Scottish bulk order for myself (unless lots of people contact me in the next day or so!).

Bahrain

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Openmoko have announced a scheme to sell the forthcoming Neo Freerunner at a discount if bought in multiples of 10 (US$369, instead of 399), to be shipped in one package. Group buying will thus save money on the purchase, and on the shipping. This page is to to organise group purchases by region.

For calculating shipping costs, the dimensions of one 10-pack is 435mm x 371mm x 119mm. The weight should be around 3kg.

Steve from Openmoko announced "Every 10 pack, will come with a box of stuff. 10 pouches and 10 head sets."
So join us within a local group !

Austria

There is a group-buy page at MetaLab, available here: http://metalab.at/wiki/OpenMoko .. we almost have the full 10 slots assigned, and its quite possible that we will order *20* phones, so please register on the Metalab pages and let us know if you're interested ..

Estonia

Tallinn

Let's see if we can get ten people together for this. I'm willing to organise the local distribution if we can. Spread the word and try to get more locals interested in it. Yogiz 08:22, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Finland

Uusimaa

Note to gta02v6 waiting people:"The A5 boards have been reworked to remove the [LED] issue. So WRT
LEDs a5 and a6 have the same power consumption". So, no problem? Also a quote from Neo FreeRunner GTA02 Hardware#GTA02v6: "Capacitor and resistor change A6 also on mass production A5".

Alpes de Haute Provence

Manosque

Provence Alpes Cote d'Azur

Sophia Antipolis

Midi-Pyrénées

Toulouse

Germany

Baden-Württemberg

Karlsruhe

Spacemarine I'm out. Since the Freerunner is available for 300 Euro in Germany, I don't see any point in organizing a groupbuy anymore. I've sent an email to everyone else interested in the groupbuy. If you are in this list or if I met you on the Kalug Meeting, you should have gotten it.

If we don't reach the 10 phones limit in each city, maybe we could place an order in the "most requested city", and from shipping to other buyers. We'll have anyway a good discount although the "double-shipping". (Read here for reference).

Rotterdam

Utrecht

Utrecht

Status

30/30

New Zealand

Networks

As Telecom are using the 850MHz network for their GSM network, and Vodafone/northelia (possibly aka orcon) are using 900/1800MHz, please state which version you want. This may need more research, I'm not 100%; see [14] for more info

Shipping

Based on info from steve (openmoko marketing) concerning weight and size, shipping via UPS will be about US$185 (NZ$24 each phone) to Auckland.
UPS are far from the cheapest, but (again according to steve), OM have a contract with them, so this is what we are stuck with

Someone on the community list suggested using [15], a shipping company that will re-post items overseas at decent rates. They claim US$66 for a 3kg package, or NZ$8 per phone. Of course, the cost of shipping the phone from OM to the shipping company has to be added in as well.

Purchase cost

As of 2008-06-21, US$369 is worth NZ$484

Duty/taxes/other charges

import duty on mobile phones is 0%[16], and GST is 12.5% so the GST added to each phone will be NZ$64; 12.5% * (484 + 24), cos we pay GST on postage too...

So, the total cost of a Freerunner as part of a 10 pack, will be:
484 + 24 + 64
= NZ$572

+ any possible charges to get it posted elsewhere in New Zealand

You'll also need to add on disbursement fees etc. If it's UPS it's not too bad (~NZ$40) if it comes through NZ Post then it can be ~NZ$120.

Auckland

Status:10 phones requested, the required minimum (10 phones) is reached, but more buyers are still welcome to join.
13/20

Intermediary

Glen ogilvie made a suggestion, that we could use a company (e.g. someone's employer, who are likely to have easily found contact details and thus be trustworthy) to buy the phones on our behalf (after we'd paid for them), and then deliver them to us.
any volunteers? do any of you have understanding bosses/your own company that could help out here?
Dave Lane: I think Egressive would be willing to act as an intermediary. Contact me to discuss it...

Purchaser List

i'm quite happy to organise the purchase, if no-one has any objections. to ease any worries about me running off with the money, we could use an escrow service such as [18], or paypal. or does anyone have any other ideas?

Xuân Baldauf User:xbaldauf[21] Auckland CBD, 900MHz+1800MHz GSM with an EU charger clip instead of an Australian one (if this is in need to be selected). This is conditional: the transaction must complete by 2008-06-30, else I cannot participate, because I'm leaving the country afterwards.

Portugal

We also need to have a cost estimation for Portuguese customs (like the Australians did). 20% sales tax + customs tax is to be expected both for individual or bulk sales, because the price is quite high. But freedom is priceless :)

If we end up with more than one 10-pack in Sweden, my guess is that it would probably pay to order everything in one shipment to one address in Sweden to save on the international shipping, and then remail domestically.

Norrland

Umeå

Luleå

mh 1 unit, mailto:mh@rcc.se If not up to 10 by launch. i'd join any group and either pick it up or have it remailed nationally

Switzerland

1x 10 Pack ordered from pulster for the group Zürich! Read more below --Tuxfux.ch 17:20, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

??? should organize the 3 x 10pack for Zürich
Luca Capello could organize the 10pack for Geneva.
Mathieu will organisze the 2 x 10pack for Lausanne EPFL CH-fr

All payment in advance (a 10pack will cost approx 3'800 USD).

Probably we will organize shippings, if we cannot all move to Zürich/Genève/Lausanne to get our Neo.

François Bianco is trying to create a new group of 10 (will be mostly for French Switzerland). -> The group moved to the EPFL group, which will try to reach 20 persons. --Fbianco 11:42, 11 June 2008 (UTC)Gabriel Ambuehl would volunteer to order the initial 10pack. <- still accurate ? -> Gabriel will not organize the 10packs for Zürich due to not being in Switzerland. We are in contact to find a solution so please wait until we know what to do. Order in Germany (each for himself or as a group, not clear yet) could be as cheap as a 10pack. We are in contact with pulster.de and will be contacted form pulster about the price. We will contact you guys in the Zürich list as soon as we know more --Tuxfux.ch 10:26, 6 June 2008 (UTC)Alexandre Ghisoli will not organize the second 10pack, since the order moved in the Lucca's group.

Customs and Postage

I called the Swiss Federal Customs Administration and it seems that we only need to pay VAT (7.6%) and the UPS taxes as well (since the parcel will be sent through UPS). Thus I called UPS and it seems that UPS directly pays the VAT instead of the customer, then asking the customer for refund (plus a fixed tax of EUR13.00). So I think the following per-phone cost for a Swiss bulk order should be a good estimate.

Charles Wheeler (Status confirmed) Contact Note: Work in Bellevue, live in Federal Way. May not have money till mid-July.

Gino O (Status confirmed) (i n f o @ seatlewebcreations.com) I live on Beacon Hill and own 2 companies, one for web and another for opensource mobile development. I'd like to get @ least one, and may be able to cover the difference for a group purchase if need be.

Nevada

Reno/Sparks

UK

Stroller (Milton Keynes, can travel) mailto:stroller@stellar.eclipse.co.uk 01908 663 513. Thinks that breaking the UK up into regions - at least outside London - is silly. There are unlikely to be 10 people in $your_town who want a Freerunner, so some posting of Freerunners will surely be required; see the talk page. This is the same cost anywhere in the UK.

Scotland

Edinburgh

The Wiki's e-mail feature (those URLs with “Special:Emailuser” in them) does not seem to be working. I tried contacting Dave Ball and Stuart MacKinnon that way and got no reply. Later, Stuart and Dave (who I reached by writing a message here) told me they never got the e-mail. So the Wiki's e-mail feature might be broken. So please contact me by going to my web page and using my e-mail address listed there. Stuart, George, and Dave have been in contact with me by e-mail. I am happy to put anyone in Scotland who sends me e-mail in touch with the others.

Not enough people have gotten in touch so far (as of 2008-06-28) to justify a bulk order of a 10-pack. Also, there is now a UK distributor: TrueBox. Because TrueBox appears to be ordering 10-packs (and thereby getting the bonus goodies (headphones and pouches) that come in the 10-packs), it seems there is little motivation to try to organize a Scottish bulk order. So I am likely to give up on the idea of a Scottish bulk order for myself (unless lots of people contact me in the next day or so!).