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I understand, Tech! Part of me wishes that Zen could make some Nintendo tables. You know how awesome that would be?! Of course you do. LOL I like pretty much everything about the new console EXCEPT for the name. It will probably grow on me, but definitely not at the moment.

I'm not sure if I'd buy Zen tables on the Switch or not. Tables were always late or simply never arrived on the Wii U, so I don't trust them not to treat the next Nintendo console the same way.

I totally agree with you. Both Nintendo and Zen have failed to deliver. Nintendo didn't market the Wii U well and didn't do enough to attract the 3rd party providers for the platform. Out of the gate Zen struggled with the Wii U, delaying the initial release from the December launch window into March. That seemed to set the stage for what would always be the case with the Wii U.

I'll keep my eye on the Switch to see if the huge list of 3rd party support that Nintendo is claiming to have actually provide any content. I'll also be interested to see if Zen provides support to the platform on par with what the other platforms receive or if we will start hearing that it is a hard platform to design for as we heard with the Wii U.

Basically I'll need to see performance from both companies, not promises.

I totally agree with you. Both Nintendo and Zen have failed to deliver. Nintendo didn't market the Wii U well and didn't do enough to attract the 3rd party providers for the platform. Out of the gate Zen struggled with the Wii U, delaying the initial release from the December launch window into March. That seemed to set the stage for what would always be the case with the Wii U.

I'll keep my eye on the Switch to see if the huge list of 3rd party support that Nintendo is claiming to have actually provide any content. I'll also be interested to see if Zen provides support to the platform on par with what the other platforms receive or if we will start hearing that it is a hard platform to design for as we heard with the Wii U.

Basically I'll need to see performance from both companies, not promises.

Ditto Everly, CaPPa. I am not happy with the outcome of my Zen investment on the Wii U and the Wii U in greneral. I hold Nintendo equally responsible for my Wii U and Zen investment, and being short changed on tables as well. The Hyna gang was the best people in the world to play with however and they are only on Nintendo LOL.

At this point for myself as a digital pinball enthusiast, the XBOX one is soooo compelling, and I won't have to re-buy Zen tables I have invested in the 360. I am probably moving to that system, unless something comes soon from Zen regarding the Switch and potential cross buy for those like us who shelled out a considerable amount of dough for Zen and other pinball on the Wii U.

I wouldn't trust my money on another ZEN/Nintendo combination. Moved over the the PS4 and hapily playing all the new tables with working leaderboards, etc... Still not happy though with how ZEN handeld the WiiU owners though.
But, since Nintendo is very good at keeping the big software houses away from their systems, I have no doubt that they will do the same with the Switch, making it end up with not enough titles and not enough users...

Yeah I'm not re-buying a bunch of tables here. Zen needs to find a way for us to import our current games to the Switch. I have no doubt they will bring their tables over but just how many will we see and what.

I'm optimistic about it though. Been hearing good thing about easy to port for but I will be curious as to how good the tables will look. The biggest plus here though is I can still play those tables off tv and that's a HUGE pull for me with sharing tv time.

Oh and lastly I'm starting to get the feeling the Switch will be different then last gen. Everything I'm hearing leads me to believe we are going to be blown away at just what's revealed both games wise and system. I never said that with the Wii U and hopefully Nintendo can finally get this right. Really like what I'm hearing from Bethesda and just the fact they're a partner after never having been one. They must know something we don't or Nintendo stepped out of their shell and reached out to them.

Yep, I'm drinking the Kool-Aid and guess what, it tastes good!! Can't blame anyone for not trusting either though but I will be paying close attention.

Yeah I'm not re-buying a bunch of tables here. Zen needs to find a way for us to import our current games to the Switch. I have no doubt they will bring their tables over but just how many will we see and what.

I'm optimistic about it though. Been hearing good thing about easy to port for but I will be curious as to how good the tables will look. The biggest plus here though is I can still play those tables off tv and that's a HUGE pull for me with sharing tv time.

Oh and lastly I'm starting to get the feeling the Switch will be different then last gen. Everything I'm hearing leads me to believe we are going to be blown away at just what's revealed both games wise and system. I never said that with the Wii U and hopefully Nintendo can finally get this right. Really like what I'm hearing from Bethesda and just the fact they're a partner after never having been one. They must know something we don't or Nintendo stepped out of their shell and reached out to them.

Yep, I'm drinking the Kool-Aid and guess what, it tastes good!! Can't blame anyone for not trusting either though but I will be paying close attention.

Don't blame you at all Tech! Deep down, I hope you are right. You are an optimist and there is nothing wrong with that take on it. I am hoping that soon we hear something. Because I am still playing on my current systems, I am giving Zen and Nintendo some time yet, probably about 6-9 months, to influence my decision on my next console. Since I am only financially able to go in one direction with it, I have really been dragging my feet. My mind is made up, but because I am not moving on it until later next year, there is one more opportunity for it to change. We'll see what transpires over the summer Would like your take on it to be right.

Yeah I'm not re-buying a bunch of tables here. Zen needs to find a way for us to import our current games to the Switch. I have no doubt they will bring their tables over but just how many will we see and what.

That would impress me. I know that is standard practice with Zen when you look at XBox and the PS family. So you would assume those that have supported the Wii U library would be rewarded by being able to import those purchased tables to the Switch, but I can almost hear it now. Zen will say they really wanted to do that but, "The way Nintendo has set up their digital purchases we can't do it. Sorry. But stay tuned because we have some big things coming."

In either case, like I mention earlier, I will need to see a big improvement from both sides before I would even consider going down the Nintendo/Zen Studios road again.

Originally Posted by Tech101

Everything I'm hearing leads me to believe we are going to be blown away at just what's revealed both games wise and system. I never said that with the Wii U and hopefully Nintendo can finally get this right. Really like what I'm hearing from Bethesda and just the fact they're a partner after never having been one. They must know something we don't or Nintendo stepped out of their shell and reached out to them.

Yep, I'm drinking the Kool-Aid and guess what, it tastes good!! Can't blame anyone for not trusting either though but I will be paying close attention.

I appreciate your positive view but I don't share it. I haven't seen Nintendo get anything correct since 2012. The position they have taken and seem to continue to take with regard to marketing, third party cooperation, and hardware construction always stifles the end results. A big list of third party companies that Nintendo says are on board to support the Switch do not convince me anything is different. Third parties that say they are excited about the Switch also do nothing for me. If the system doesn't sell well (probably because Nintendo fails to market it well or provide enough to satisfy the initial demand as we have seen with the recent NES Mini) then that third party support starts to drop off.

I think my position is to expect little to nothing from the Switch and its library. Then I will be happy with anything that ends up happening instead of disappointed that it failed to meet expectations.

I did take advantage of a Best Buy sale and got a $50 eShop card for $42, so I treated myself to the Iron and Steel Pack. Those were the last 2 tables that Zen released to the Wii U that I was interested in. Surprised they didn't do a sale on their Star Wars tables with the release of Rogue One coming out....but it isn't often that Wii U was included in those anyway.

Explain.... I am slow, lol. I have not yet nearly been convinced of the system myself, if that's what you mean.

You basically said it. What reason is there to own a system till like Mario comes out. Those of us with Wii U's can get Zelda anyways and other then Splatoon 2 I'm not missing anything. I was expecting to be blown away and was bored through the first half of that underwhelming reveal. I wanted to see more and for the people Nintendo wants to convince to buy the system they needed to show more. We are less then 6 weeks away from launch and all they did was leave more questions unanswered. The fact that more of these 3rd parties had nothing to show leads me to believe Nintendo once again screwed up and gave everyone dev kits like 6 months ago. I expected no less then 3 heavy hitters at launch and we got one and even that's not really a heavy hitter because I can get it for Wii U. They should've just cancelled the Wii U version or delayed it till summer or something because now people have a very good reason to not buy the system and that will leave 3rd parties wondering if they should even bother.

I'll get it because the games will be there from Nintendo eventually but I have to ask myself if now is that time. I think Nintendo needed to come out of this reveal with everything they had and if they did they dropped the ball.

You basically said it. What reason is there to own a system till like Mario comes out. Those of us with Wii U's can get Zelda anyways and other then Splatoon 2 I'm not missing anything. I was expecting to be blown away and was bored through the first half of that underwhelming reveal. I wanted to see more and for the people Nintendo wants to convince to buy the system they needed to show more. We are less then 6 weeks away from launch and all they did was leave more questions unanswered. The fact that more of these 3rd parties had nothing to show leads me to believe Nintendo once again screwed up and gave everyone dev kits like 6 months ago. I expected no less then 3 heavy hitters at launch and we got one and even that's not really a heavy hitter because I can get it for Wii U. They should've just cancelled the Wii U version or delayed it till summer or something because now people have a very good reason to not buy the system and that will leave 3rd parties wondering if they should even bother.

I'll get it because the games will be there from Nintendo eventually but I have to ask myself if now is that time. I think Nintendo needed to come out of this reveal with everything they had and if they did they dropped the ball.

Yeah I agree with that so far... thanks for clarifying, Tech. As a potential buyer of probably just one current gen system (switch included), and what is out there now for under 300, the sun may be setting on Nintendo for me. Microsoft's system is very compelling at this point and it's almost time for that tax refund hehe..Nintendo still has time but not a whole lot Under 15 million Wii Us sold in all that time, the Switch HAS to be making headlines out of the gate for me to consider it.

You basically said it. What reason is there to own a system till like Mario comes out. Those of us with Wii U's can get Zelda anyways and other then Splatoon 2 I'm not missing anything. I was expecting to be blown away and was bored through the first half of that underwhelming reveal. I wanted to see more and for the people Nintendo wants to convince to buy the system they needed to show more. We are less then 6 weeks away from launch and all they did was leave more questions unanswered. The fact that more of these 3rd parties had nothing to show leads me to believe Nintendo once again screwed up and gave everyone dev kits like 6 months ago. I expected no less then 3 heavy hitters at launch and we got one and even that's not really a heavy hitter because I can get it for Wii U. They should've just cancelled the Wii U version or delayed it till summer or something because now people have a very good reason to not buy the system and that will leave 3rd parties wondering if they should even bother.

I'll get it because the games will be there from Nintendo eventually but I have to ask myself if now is that time. I think Nintendo needed to come out of this reveal with everything they had and if they did they dropped the ball.

OK Reggie what's your name! End of life for Wii U. Nice comment. Fine! Be that way. Your company ain't getting another penny of my money, and I hope your Switch goes down in flames. Nice underpowered, overpriced system you got going there! You are out of the hardware business, better start making your games for other platforms. I'll be playing Zen on my new XBOX one.

Watching and waiting.....

Originally Posted by steven120566

Yeah I agree with that so far... thanks for clarifying, Tech. As a potential buyer of probably just one current gen system (switch included), and what is out there now for under 300, the sun may be setting on Nintendo for me. Microsoft's system is very compelling at this point and it's almost time for that tax refund hehe..Nintendo still has time but not a whole lot Under 15 million Wii Us sold in all that time, the Switch HAS to be making headlines out of the gate for me to consider it.

If I may be so bold as to venture a guess at this point. Zen Studios executives are closely watching the launch of the switch, which is just a few weeks away. Zen has a plan to possibly bring the game to the switch. Probably got a plan on how to execute it, but have not yet decided. A team is probably on stand-by. Alot depends on the first 3-6 months of the system's sales. So, Barbiebomb will not have any news for awhile.

I will be watching from the sidelines on Xbox One and Wii U, and not jumping onboard for the switch. My Wii U experience was just too stressful to invest in the big "N" any more. However, I will certainly remain forever interested in what happens with Zen and the Switch

If I may be so bold as to venture a guess at this point. Zen Studios executives are closely watching the launch of the switch, which is just a few weeks away. Zen has a plan to possibly bring the game to the switch. Probably got a plan on how to execute it, but have not yet decided. A team is probably on stand-by. Alot depends on the first 3-6 months of the system's sales. So, Barbiebomb will not have any news for awhile.

I will be watching from the sidelines on Xbox One and Wii U, and not jumping onboard for the switch. My Wii U experience was just too stressful to invest in the big "N" any more. However, I will certainly remain forever interested in what happens with Zen and the Switch

Having a one man conversation in here? 😉

I still believe Zen is actually working on it now but got a dev kit late. C ant see why they wouldn't be on the Switch within this year but what do I know. Maybe they don't want to announce till they are closer to a launch date and have some good footage to show. Or maybe they actually have Nintendo content this time around (wishful thinking)!

I still believe Zen is actually working on it now but got a dev kit late. C ant see why they wouldn't be on the Switch within this year but what do I know. Maybe they don't want to announce till they are closer to a launch date and have some good footage to show. Or maybe they actually have Nintendo content this time around (wishful thinking)!

Actually, yeah. I talk to myself if nobody answers.

What do YOU know? Usually more than I do.

So, maybe they are developmet then? Would be cool. I could have saved my venting about my Wii U investment for a Nintendo forum, I suppose, but I don't follow those much lol.

Nintendo Switch

The big Switch news of the week, beyond a doubt, is the announcement of the Fortnite bundle for the console - a link-up with arguably the planets biggest game of the moment, which may be a bit underwhelming in its substance okay, its extremely underwhelming in its substance, but is a dramatic statement in its intent.
Nintendo putting a third-party game on the packaging for its consoles is a moderately rare occurrence, though this is far from the first time it has happened, as some have been quick to claim - just off the top of my head the Wii U launched with a ZombiU bundle and there was a Just Dance bundle for the Wii, among plenty of others. A bundle with a non-exclusive, cross-platform title, though? Now thats worth raising an eyebrow over. And the sheer cultural status of Fortnite right now means that for Nintendo to make an implicit claim that Switch is the place to come and play this game is the industry equivalent of fighting talk.
"A bundle with a non-exclusive, cross-platform title, though? Now thats worth raising an eyebrow over"