GUN Bill Springfield Trigger Jobs for an AR

I don't know how many of you have heard of bill springfield but he does trigger work for ptr-91's, hk, and ar's. I sent him the trigger from my stag parts kit and had it back about a week and a half later. The creep this trigger had is gone and it feels much better now.

Now I've always heard that if you mess with an ar's trigger you can expect it to fail. I spent a great deal of time searching around and here's the only example I could find of a failure http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=8260

Here's what he says he does

Trigger work in short detail: I weld and fit a small tab to reduce the trigger pre-travel. This in turn, minimizes the amount of stoning work needed on the trigger face. The hammer notch face is stoned enough to remove any factory machine marks. I reduce the hammer notch height just enough to remove any residual "perceived" creep. I adjust the disconnecter engagement with just a hair of overlap with the hammer; this reduces the chances of doubling. Disconnecters with ruff contact points have this area stoned smooth for proper function. 50% or so of these do from the stamping process.

3lbs trigger receive a reduced power trigger kit, the hammer tail is removed as well for extra insurance for primer ignition.

I consider these to be a nice optimized "field/target" grade trigger, not match grade by any means. I stand behind my work and if anything arises, just contact me.

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I also asked him specifically about failure (doubles or hammer falling without a pull) and hardening, and if one kit was better than others and he said

Different manufactures have different hardening depths for
hardness. I take the least amount as possible, keeping lubed with a dab of
grease will help greatly. I also adjust the overlap of the disconnector for
minimal tolerance to minimize doubling. Stag parts are nice, so are DPMS, Stag provides a better pull in stock form, DPMS can require a little more work.

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Take it however you will but I'm very happy with my 4 pound trigger and it seems like a vast improvement. I still may try one of the new double stage triggers coming out but in the meantime, Bill's work feel great.

Anyone have a spare hammer spring, btw? I fuckt mine up trying to do the 5 minut trigger job on my AR. It has you trim one of the springs. I found that the half spring walked one of the pins out.

PM me with cost w/shipping.

SJ

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If I recall the advice in it suggests bending the spring legs and clipping one. I'm not comfortable with bending or stretching spings but you should be able to work around the clipped leg problem. One of the trigger pins has an extra groove cut into it for a leg of the hammer pin to sit in holding it in place. It sounds like you clipped the leg on that side. Flip the pin and put it in so the groove is under the remaining long leg and your pin will probably quit walking.

You went with the 3 right? I sent off another one last week for a 3 pound job to go with my 4

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Yeah... I got my CTR from USPS today and I was like well...can't do shit with it until the trigger gets here. I dunno how they got delivered seperately because they dropped off the CTR at the front door and the trigger wasn't in my mailbox but my roommate randomly left it in my bathroom

Put the whole thing together just now and it's night and day compared to the trigger in my A1

I shot a chip McCormick drop in 2 stage trigger for a few years. Not a bad trigger but it has a lot of pretravel. I kind of liked the 2 stage for long range precision work.

When I had Rob Melhorn redo my ar (mostly lightened bolt work) he demanded to redo my trigger. He used a single stage jard kit and the trigger is about 2lbs and most importantly the reset on the trigger is shorter.

I have nice triggers on all my guns. I pretty much budget $200 for each gun for trigger jobs. It's worth it.

I can't stand long resets on my handguns and i pretty much just expect short ones when I go to rifles after that. What does the average 2 stage ar trigger like say the geisselieilselielizelielseilseselie do to the reset? I've asked at arfcom before and they all just described what a 2 stage trigger was I just kept with the tweaked single stage since I was in doubt.

To be honest the worked over single stage triggers using timmy, jard, jp, geisselieilselielizelielseilseselie are all good. Probably more who fits it than who makes it.

I would not buy the geisselieilselielizelielseilseselie because it just sounds gay. I might consider it if it was better, but I don't think it is. My suggestion is to use what your AR smith wants to install.

Of the 2 stage triggers I liked the CMC. I've pulled on all of them at the various shot shows and they all have more pre travel, and slightly longer resets than a stock trigger. If I had it to do over again I would not of messed with a 2 stage and went strait to a single. If I shot high power or similar accuracy is everything game I might change my mind.