Regarding the osteoporosis claim. Resistance training and some moderate impact training are widely established as improving bone strength, however there are a lot of factors which need to be accounted for. Firstly and probably most relevantly, there needs to be a stimulus sufficient enough to tell the bone it needs to remodel itself due to stress being placed on it, however not strong enough to cause significant trauma and possibly result in a fracture, etc. So there is basically a sweet spot of force/impact/stress that can be applied, anything over will be harmful anything under will have little to no effect. With conditions such as osteoporosis this zone gets narrowed due to the person's low bone mineral density (BMD).

BMD is at its peak around the 25-30 year old mark for men (can't remember the figure for all the ladies out there). After this point it starts to decline naturally. So ideally, before and during this period you want to do as much as possible to increase it (ie drink your milk, do training involving a suitable level of resistance/impact). However, even as you age taking up appropriate activity that will stimulate bone remodelling will assist in improving your bone strength.

So to answer the question of whether its going to improve BMD in people with osteoporosis.... Possibly, if its done appropriately and within the limits to prevent significant damage. However if the training went out of this zone, you could be looking at some pretty severe consequences for the individual with osteoporosis.

Ah. That sounds like a mess. Thanks for explaining the iron training stuff. I was a bit confused by the phrasing and his method (Dale uses bean bags rather than boards if I am not mistaken). As for the concept of Iron Skills training, I never doubted that (if I could find a good place where I lived I would try to get Iron Body training ASAP), I just thought his method looked a bit different from what Dale did (plank thin vs bean bag), and some of his claims about his iron whatever training made me feel rather suspicious.

Ah. That sounds like a mess. Thanks for explaining the iron training stuff. I was a bit confused by the phrasing and his method (Dale uses bean bags rather than boards if I am not mistaken). As for the concept of Iron Skills training, I never doubted that (if I could find a good place where I lived I would try to get Iron Body training ASAP), I just thought his method looked a bit different from what Dale did (plank thin vs bean bag), and some of his claims about his iron whatever training made me feel rather suspicious.

Iron training methods have a very simple, natural premise:

stress + time - injury = progress

Here, it's easy to see how IP is often abused/misused by people with fake/poor training:

Too much stress = BAD
Too little time = BAD
Any injury = BAD

Combine any of these with old age and frailty disease = VERY BAD

Jake seems to have had a mixed bag of IP exposure...I based that on the fact that his IP exercise is fabricated (ie not a standard IP practice that I know of). It looks like something he either made up or was shown that was made up. IP methods are traditionally done standing, with far less striking force and on a far more forgiving surface.

One of the red flags of poor/fake IP training is somebody actually hitting something hard and loud (ie for effect) repeatedly. Real masters of tid sa jeurng can practice nearly silently, if they choose. One of my favorite IP tools is a section of rubber tire innertube, tied off at both ends and filled with shot. Quiet, humble, effective, cheap. NO fancy woods, engravings, or sound effects.

The pushups part, I would love to see one of his "80 year old students" do that. Sorry, the LAST thing I would ever suggest is an elderly person with frailty bone disease doing IP training...they will not get stronger bones through slow, careful microfracturing the way nature intended and IP can somewhat stimulate, but fractures instead.

Jake seems to have had a mixed bag of IP exposure...I based that on the fact that his IP exercise is fabricated (ie not a standard IP practice that I know of). It looks like something he either made up or was shown that was made up. IP methods are traditionally done standing, with far less striking force and on a far more forgiving surface.

I just explained this and you still type this silliness? He didn't make it up, it was what he was taught.

One of the red flags of poor/fake IP training is somebody actually hitting something hard and loud (ie for effect) repeatedly. Real masters of tid sa jeurng can practice nearly silently, if they choose. One of my favorite IP tools is a section of rubber tire innertube, tied off at both ends and filled with shot. Quiet, humble, effective, cheap. NO fancy woods, engravings, or sound effects.

You need to stop with your uneducated CMA bullshit.

The pushups part, I would love to see one of his "80 year old students" do that. Sorry, the LAST thing I would ever suggest is an elderly person with frailty bone disease doing IP training...they will not get stronger bones through slow, careful microfracturing the way nature intended and IP can somewhat stimulate, but fractures instead.

Seriously? Stop typing. If you are going to copy Dale, do it effectively. Don't put your poor knowlegde and spin into something you do not fully know or understand

Nope, that's your own windmill.. Ghost55' said "hilariously bad kung fu" and that's where I am at. You found something to nitpick and I am calling you out on some of the hyperbole concerning iron palm.

I've long said Sin The had legit training somewhere, then he decided to jump on the Shaolin bandwagon. I'm defending him from hilariously bad and that is it.