Thank you, Lester.<br><br>Massachusetts is one of only two states where equal marriages are allowed. Everything is hunky dory here also.<br><br>I've seen too many cases where gay and lesbian couples have lost out because they are not legally married. <br>This is especially true in custody cases involving children.<br><br><br>

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<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Civil Unions are not recognized by the federal government...<p><hr></blockquote><p>Well, that argument doesn't really help your case because same-sex marriages aren't recognised by the federal government either.<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>there is a long-term understanding that separate is not equal.<p><hr></blockquote><p> No there's not - what do you mean 'equal?' When you board an aeroplane you want a pilot who's qualified by his status to fly you safely to your destination. You wouln't want a doctor in the cockpit any more than you would want a pilot in your surgery. You're getting confused between inequality and distinctions of status. Are doctors and pilots equal or not?<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Marriage is a unique legal status conferred by and recognized by governments all over the world.<p><hr></blockquote><p>Yeah, and I've already pointed to several reasons why all over the world it doesn't extend to same sex couples... for one thing a marriage to be valid has to be consummated which is not biologically possible with same sex arrangements - the world-wide argument doesn't assist your case because in most countries marriage is limited to heterosexuals.<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p> Every day we fill out forms... misrepresenting oneself on official documents can be considered fraud and can carry potential serious criminal penalties.<p><hr></blockquote><p>Forms can be re-designed to include civil union status but a person who does his best to accurately complete a badly drafted form does not commit fraud. Like any other offence there has to be a criminal intent.<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>If you are married, you can get divorced<p><hr></blockquote><p>That's not a problem... what's needed there is something like a 'civil union separation order.' <br><br>No, I'm afraid that your case for same sex marriages is not coherent. To argue that all the nations, Britain included, that have sought to remove discrimination based on sexual orientation by legislating for civil unions, usually with the active participation of the gay community, are practising discrimination is an absurd position. But your argument happens to ignore the most important point of all - that same-sex marriage represents a needless affront to millions of married couples who for whatever reason would be upset by the change of meaning.<br><br>km<br><br>

Massachusetts may be a tad more expensive but there are several things that make me proud to be a Bay Stater.<br><br>1) No capital punishment.<br>2) Gay marriage.<br>3) Gay adoption.<br><br>These things have very little real effect upon my life. I have gone to gay marriage ceremonies and one couple has even divorced. Wow, these gay people seem to be just like heteros! <br><br>But although these laws have little effect on my life I can still be proud of my state government that they do the right thing. Thank you for pointing out what a great state we live in.<br><br><br><br><br><br>

You really have to curb that kind of talk. It pushes the homesick button. <br><br>Now, all they have to do is work the kinks out in the health care bill and cut housing prices by 50% and I'll call the mover. <br><br>

I forgot, I am also proud that my state has mandatory health care for everyone. The bill is working way better than expected with very high sign up rates. Housing prices for a single family just dropped 16 percent from last September and sales on those houses are up 8%. If you want an affordable house you better act now. <br><br><br><br><br><br>

---------------------<br>But your argument happens to ignore the most important point of all - that same-sex marriage represents a needless affront to millions of married couples who for whatever reason would be upset by the change of meaning.<br>------------------------<br><br>The reason would be homophobia and as with any phobia (a persistent, irrational fear of a specific object, activity, or situation that leads to a compelling desire to avoid it), once you realize it is not going to harm you or impact your life, you let it go.<br><br>The "millions of married couples" got over it real quick in Canada and now we all play in the same sand box! <br><br>It is not even a shadow of an issue now for 95% of Canadians.<br><br>

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>The reason would be homophobia<p><hr></blockquote><p>Oh yeah, so Britain France and Germany and their governments are all homophobic by refusing to legislate for same sex marriages? I don't think so... I'll tell you what you've got with this minority campaign to hijack marriage... "heterophobia" that's what.<br><br>km<br><br>

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