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Re: Is Kaname tousen equal to Gin or stronger with hollow mask?

Is Kaname tousen equal to Gin or stronger with hollow mask? He was INCREDIBLY fast with it and had great physical strength, so could he be on par with gin or higher? (im talking about this form)

And why didn't he use it against kenpachi? or did he not have it then?

Tousen with the Mask is leagues stronger than Gin.
Gin is much stronger naturally though. Without Tousen's Mask he wouldn't match Gin.

Tousen didn't have the mask against Kenpachi. Even if he did it's obvious he wouldn't have used it because of the plot. Arrancar/Vizards weren't introduced back then. He wouldn't have used it period.

Tousen was nothing to Aizen. He was a lab rat which is probably why he gave him Hollow powers. Tousen was blinded by his so-called "justice" and followed Aizen like a puppy. Aizen had no reason to ever trust Tousen who isn't at the mercy of his Kyoka Suigetsu.

The only one Aizen even remotely trusted/favored was Gin. Even when he suspected Gin had his own agenda he still led him around

Re: Is Kaname tousen equal to Gin or stronger with hollow mask?

Re: Is Kaname tousen equal to Gin or stronger with hollow mask?

Gin > Tousen

No matter what kind of power-up you throw on him, Tousen will always be inferior to Gin. For one simple reason (which some of you have already mentioned): Gin did not allow Aizen to make him into a hybrid arrancar, Gin has pride, while Tousen was simply an idiot who abandoned all of his ideals in the end just to be able to see again and grow a bit more powerful. Remember that Gin was the one who back-stabbed Aizen, because he knew the situation was getting out of hand.

Re: Is Kaname tousen equal to Gin or stronger with hollow mask?

Originally Posted by VinceD

Gin > Tousen

No matter what kind of power-up you throw on him, Tousen will always be inferior to Gin. For one simple reason (which some of you have already mentioned): Gin did not allow Aizen to make him into a hybrid arrancar, Gin has pride, while Tousen was simply an idiot who abandoned all of his ideals in the end just to be able to see again and grow a bit more powerful. Remember that Gin was the one who back-stabbed Aizen, because he knew the situation was getting out of hand.

I've got to disagree with you. With the mask, I believe Tousen would overpower Gin. Tousen was able to overpower Komamura's Bankai. Someone who is known for his brute strength. Gin is more of an agile and speedy fighter, but it's also a fact that along with Hollowification comes a boost in nearly all other attributes (strength, speed, agility, etc) which stands to reason it's plausible that Tousen would be able to keep up with Gin's speed (if not outspeed him even)

Without the mask, however, Gin would demolish Tousen. That much is clear

Re: Is Kaname tousen equal to Gin or stronger with hollow mask?

Re: Is Kaname tousen equal to Gin or stronger with hollow mask?

Originally Posted by NLee

I've got to disagree with you. With the mask, I believe Tousen would overpower Gin. Tousen was able to overpower Komamura's Bankai. Someone who is known for his brute strength. Gin is more of an agile and speedy fighter, but it's also a fact that along with Hollowification comes a boost in nearly all other attributes (strength, speed, agility, etc) which stands to reason it's plausible that Tousen would be able to keep up with Gin's speed (if not outspeed him even)

Without the mask, however, Gin would demolish Tousen. That much is clear

I'm not too sure. Brute force isn't the only thing that makes someone a good fighter. Even though Tousen's hollowifcation did increase his destructive capability, it lessened his awareness which led to him being killed by Hisagi. That aspect of him kept him from being as strong as someone like Gin.

As for Tousen just using the mask rather than the ressurrecion, lets not forget Gin was able to toy with Ichigo even with Ichigo using his mask; I don't think Tousen with his mask was as strong at that point.

And lets be honest, had it been Gin against Komamura it would have been over in seconds. There's no way Komamura's bankai would be capable of dodging Gin's attacks due to its size, and we know that with one attack Gin could leave a speck of dust in Komamura's bankai and it would have been over.