tomspc

If you understood evolution you would understand that there are no apes or monkeys depicted on this shirt. They are all hominids. So where, might I ask, does the race card come into play?

Since it's a silhouette, you really can't say that it's not an ape. Do me a favor, wear that shirt through Atlanta, Selma, Montgomery, Jackson, etc. and let me know how the ape and hominid conversation works out for you.

jspickler

tomspc wrote:Since it's a silhouette, you really can't say that it's not an ape. Do me a favor, wear that shirt through Atlanta, Selma, Montgomery, Jackson, etc. and let me know how the ape and hominid conversation works out for you.

I'm from Columbus, Georgia and am currently living in Virginia and as a biologist, would have no problem wearing this.

Edit: It's not an ape, silhouette or not, since it's in the context of evolutionary progression. If the first silhouette were standing alone then I would agree with you since it appears ape-like. However, it's shown here in the context of human evolution which would make it a common ancestor, not an ape. Anyone exposed to this image in school should understand that.

wirdou

tomspc

jspickler wrote:I'm from Columbus, Georgia and am currently living in Virginia and as a biologist, would have no problem wearing this.

Edit: It's not an ape, silhouette or not, since it's in the context of evolutionary progression. If the first silhouette were standing alone then I would agree with you since it appears ape-like. However, it's shown here in the context of human evolution which would make it a common ancestor, not an ape. Anyone exposed to this image in school should understand that.

"No, that's not a Swastika I'm wearing. It's an equilateral cross with four arms bent at right angles. And did you know that it's an ornament that was widely used in the Indus Valley Civilization of Ancient India? What? You didn't learn ancient history in school. You're joking, right?"

Yeah, I see how my education can easily explain that to people who might be offended. Thanks for the pointers!

chachachino

meandsecoya

I think it's interesting that an identical shirt (which was probably submitted to prove a point) was rejected for "photos, halftones, racist" but this one still stands. Yes, the other one was a direct copy of this one, so it should have been rejected, but being a copy of this one wasn't WHY it was rejected.

This is a great shirt, but Tesla had a huge argument in 1884 with Edison over money (He improved Edison's system and added controls) and they later had a huge rivalry over DC vs AC power. In '82, Edison was the star and Tesla was an unknown, but I love the irony of putting Tesla in front. (Bizarre wording used to avoid woot filters for the word F*I*R*S*T.)

I'm curious as to why the ban on the premier ordinal number. Can someone enlighten me?

Mavyn

meandsecoya wrote:I think it's interesting that an identical shirt (which was probably submitted to prove a point) was rejected for "photos, halftones, racist" but this one still stands. Yes, the other one was a direct copy of this one, so it should have been rejected, but being a copy of this one wasn't WHY it was rejected.

Look again. That one (as of now) has not been rejected (it shows 0 votes and can still be voted on). The design was MADE with the REJECTED stamp and the design name is Rejected: ect ect. So that is not from woot at all.

meandsecoya

Mavyn wrote:Look again. That one (as of now) has not been rejected (it shows 0 votes and can still be voted on). The design was MADE with the REJECTED stamp and the design name is Rejected: ect ect. So that is not from woot at all.

Yeah, I saw that right after I posted and edited my post to reflect it. Apparently, I haven't had enough coffee yet.

Mavyn

akayeh wrote:I'm curious as to why the ban on the premier ordinal number. Can someone enlighten me?

Because people have the ridiculous thought that it's clever to be the initial responder to a post with nothing more than said premier ordinal number as their only comment. And woot likes to mock common phrases.

akayeh

Mavyn wrote:Because people have the ridiculous thought that it's clever to be the initial responder to a post with nothing more than said premier ordinal number as their only comment. And woot likes to mock common phrases.

Thank you so very much! Yes, I have run across many of said posters on other lists before. It may be a necessary evil, but a good trip through Roget's can always help.

citizencoyote

phoenixgirrl wrote:In addition to this being offensive, it's also a pop culture riff. How is this not rejected?

For the same reason all of the "Keep Calm and Carry On" derivatives are not being rejected.

deboraho wrote:I believe RAMYB must be a WOOT employee.... only thing that makes SENSE !

I hope you're being sarcastic.

As for this particular entry, I have mixed feelings about it. I think Ramy should have chosen a different font for the slogan, but as this is clearly parody use of Obama's old slogan I don't think it runs afoul of any copyright. The evolution image is so burned into my mind after years of science and anthropology classes that I didn't think twice about his rendition of it. I can see where people could infer racism or such from the juxtaposition of the image with the slogan, but not everyone would see it and I certainly don't think it's reflective of Ramy's views.

I will say that when a Ramy entry generates a huge discussion, it feels like the old Woot again.

ochopika

I really like this! It's very well-drawn. You've got a great sense of perspective and depth going on with all those objects. Everything stands out and looks believable even though it's all clumped together. +1

seenkylie

Johndis5

Edit for on topicness. I think the shirt is genuinely funny.. really funny! Outside of this derby I'd probably even buy it. That said, the clip art, the definitely pop-culture slogan, and the lack of propaganda style is plenty of reason not to vote for it. And, the clip art/ pop culture should be reason enough for rejection.

tomspc wrote:No one will look at this design as evolution humor. I doubt Ramyb meant it that way however I would not risk offending people by wearing that shirt.

By that logic, all of the voters that put this piece in the fog must go ape-Gaaar, Peter! for racist humor. Shame on them!

Also, If a person or persons misunderstand or misinterpret something to be racist, the something then becomes racist, even if it wasn't racist to begin with?

tomspc

Johndis5 wrote:By that logic, all of the voters that put this piece in the fog must go ape-Gaaar, Peter! for racist humor. Shame on them!

Also, If a person or persons misunderstand or misinterpret something to be racist, the something then becomes racist, even if it wasn't racist to begin with?

Ok I will try to explain it in simple terms for you. We all have the knowledge that the design is based on science and WWII propaganda, armed with that knowledge, the design is not racist. However outside the derby, in the real world, people who see the design will not be armed with that knowledge. This is when the design can be misunderstood and appear racist.

No one remembers Bush or Clinton's campaign slogans so down the road after Obama has left office, his campaign slogan will be forgotten as well. Then the design will not be offensive because no one will remember that it's tied to Obama. The timing is bad.

I've said this before, if you have to explain the design to people then there is something wrong with the design.

Johndis5 wrote:Edit for on topicness. ...That said, the clip art, the definitely pop-culture slogan, and the lack of propaganda style is plenty of reason not to vote for it. And, the clip art/ pop culture should be reason enough for rejection.

EDIT: Agree 100% but apparently Woot is not going to reject this design for those reasons, even though they have rejected many in the past for those same offenses.

justynadorsz

ochopika wrote:I really like this! It's very well-drawn. You've got a great sense of perspective and depth going on with all those objects. Everything stands out and looks believable even though it's all clumped together. +1

thank you very much!

It's a pity I entered the derby so late though, my design won't probably get a lot of votes.

paxdomino

growgreen wrote:Does anyone else care that the only part of this design that is truly halftoned is the writting on the hat? You all need to recognize that this will not look like this when printed.

The only part that is SHOWN as halftone is the writing on the hat, to show a sample of the halftone detail. Rest assured, the full file that got sent to Woot is fully halftoned in five colors. Thanks for your concern.

growgreen

paxdomino wrote:The only part that is SHOWN as halftone is the writing on the hat, to show a sample of the halftone detail. Rest assured, the full file that got sent to Woot is fully halftoned in five colors. Thanks for your concern.

Why would a file get sent to woot that is fully halftoned? Did they request it? They request when the shirt has a serious potential for print.
Your shirt comp is to be fully halftoned and version that woot receives is to be gradient, then they will convert to halftone.
Unless I missed a change somewhere?
The biggest concern is that the halftone on the hat is obviously halftoned, even without the enlargement, but nothing else in this composition even looks remotely halftoned... Many artist work very hard to make their composition look really great in halftone, and sometimes even make concessions to their design to accommodate how the final print will look, knowing Woot's specific printing abilities... This one simply looks like all gradient.

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