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Re: Drew Stubbs

Earl Weaver didn't have to carry 12 pitchers either, which is a huge reason why platooning is not as widespread as it once was.

Some teams carry 13 which is borderline crazy IMHO.

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Re: Drew Stubbs

Originally Posted by reds44

You've seen Drew bat lately, no?

That's a loaded question. Yes, I've seen him bat lately. His results are about as bad as can be. Two-week slumps happen in baseball all the time. Have you seen Zack Cozart over the past two weeks? Terrible. Ryan Hanigan? Even worse. Let's cut bait with both of them while we can still get something of value for them. Or are you going to say that two weeks isn't enough of a sample size?

Instead of complaining about Stubbs, why don't we complain about Heisey? In terms of WAR, Heisey has been even worse over the past month. Let's trade him, too. And who would you rather have on the roster? Drew Stubbs or Miguel Cairo? Wilson Valdez? Why single out Stubbs? Because he's in a slump? Where's your patience?

A few weeks isn't enough time to judge how good of a baseball player someone is. If so, nearly every Hall of Famer would've been cut multiple times in his career. I understand being frustrated with Stubbs' performance, but we need to be patient. I'm not saying he's a future All-Star, and I'm not even saying he'll be good. But he's the Reds' best option, and when his numbers start to get closer to the mean, you'll realize it was a bad idea to try to get rid of him when his stock was at an all-time low.

Re: Drew Stubbs

Originally Posted by camisadelgolf

That's a loaded question. Yes, I've seen him bat lately. His results are about as bad as can be. Two-week slumps happen in baseball all the time. Have you seen Zack Cozart over the past two weeks? Terrible. Ryan Hanigan? Even worse. Let's cut bait with both of them while we can still get something of value for them. Or are you going to say that two weeks isn't enough of a sample size?

Instead of complaining about Stubbs, why don't we complain about Heisey? In terms of WAR, Heisey has been even worse over the past month. Let's trade him, too. And who would you rather have on the roster? Drew Stubbs or Miguel Cairo? Wilson Valdez? Why single out Stubbs? Because he's in a slump? Where's your patience?

A few weeks isn't enough time to judge how good of a baseball player someone is. If so, nearly every Hall of Famer would've been cut multiple times in his career. I understand being frustrated with Stubbs' performance, but we need to be patient. I'm not saying he's a future All-Star, and I'm not even saying he'll be good. But he's the Reds' best option, and when his numbers start to get closer to the mean, you'll realize it was a bad idea to try to get rid of him when his stock was at an all-time low.

Well yeah, the last two weeks, or the last season and a half. Same difference.

Originally Posted by PuffyPig

Let's face it, you mis-hit the bun with the mustard squirter, no one will really care.

Re: Drew Stubbs

Originally Posted by RedlegJake

Right now I like Valdez at the plate a lot more than Stubbs even giving up the defensive difference. Never thought I'd say that

I agree with you. I've about given up on Stubbs. He just doesn't get it. Use your talents, which is speed. But instead he goes up there hacking away every ab. Maybe they can pick up a leadoff CF before the trading deadline. I'm not holdng my breath though.

Re: Drew Stubbs

Originally Posted by reds44

Well yeah, the last two weeks, or the last season and a half. Same difference.

Up until about a month or so ago, you probably could've said the same about Ludwick. Drew Stubbs isn't the problem. In fact, he's not even a problem. He's utilized incorrectly. Any team would be thrilled to have him. The problem is the lack of depth and complementary pieces.

Re: Drew Stubbs

Originally Posted by camisadelgolf

Up until about a month or so ago, you probably could've said the same about Ludwick. Drew Stubbs isn't the problem. In fact, he's not even a problem. He's utilized incorrectly. Any team would be thrilled to have him. The problem is the lack of depth and complementary pieces.

I think the Reds should be looking to upgrade in LF too. Preaching to the choir there. And good, if any team would be thrilled to have Stubbs I hope they deal him by the 31st and get something in return.

Originally Posted by PuffyPig

Let's face it, you mis-hit the bun with the mustard squirter, no one will really care.

Re: Drew Stubbs

Originally Posted by camisadelgolf

Up until about a month or so ago, you probably could've said the same about Ludwick. Drew Stubbs isn't the problem. In fact, he's not even a problem. He's utilized incorrectly. Any team would be thrilled to have him. The problem is the lack of depth and complementary pieces.

Agree to disagree here. Hes absolutely used incorrectly, but I'm firmly entrenched in the camp that says he's sub par, regardless of the the current 0-fer.

Originally Posted by nate
Chapman can be downright pornographic at times.

Re: Drew Stubbs

Originally Posted by camisadelgolf

That's a loaded question. Yes, I've seen him bat lately. His results are about as bad as can be. Two-week slumps happen in baseball all the time. Have you seen Zack Cozart over the past two weeks? Terrible. Ryan Hanigan? Even worse. Let's cut bait with both of them while we can still get something of value for them. Or are you going to say that two weeks isn't enough of a sample size?

Instead of complaining about Stubbs, why don't we complain about Heisey? In terms of WAR, Heisey has been even worse over the past month. Let's trade him, too. And who would you rather have on the roster? Drew Stubbs or Miguel Cairo? Wilson Valdez? Why single out Stubbs? Because he's in a slump? Where's your patience?

A few weeks isn't enough time to judge how good of a baseball player someone is. If so, nearly every Hall of Famer would've been cut multiple times in his career. I understand being frustrated with Stubbs' performance, but we need to be patient. I'm not saying he's a future All-Star, and I'm not even saying he'll be good. But he's the Reds' best option, and when his numbers start to get closer to the mean, you'll realize it was a bad idea to try to get rid of him when his stock was at an all-time low.

Stubbs' #'s and production have been declining steadily since the end of 2010. A hot streak won't increase his value either.

I don't know what they do with him exactly, but just about anybody who can play CF adequately is a better option at this point.

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