Why don't we just merge all these stupid ****ing threads it to the one "Spider Thread"....
A thread starts off ok. Then Spider makes a comment. Then everyone and they momma gets him riled up and this is what we get every ****ing time! ****-balls!

13 games of ****, and three games of OK, and people just go ga-ga. It's truly ****ing stupid.

Its called a winning record and attitude. Its called normal for most basically second year pros to improve. Few like whats his face from Cincy ....Dalton.... play all that well their basically first year and everyone hear understands this but the haters. Even Peyton Manning played crappy his first year so who's to say.

Yes SPIDER you numb nuts I know its his actual third year coming up but he has had a total of one year of games under his belt at this time. Have to spell stuff out for some.

What a moron. 9-7 with a playoff win. This, with a team that was 4-14 without him. Pretty terrible for his first 16 starts... 32/16 TD/turnover ratio, with 3785 yards. Again, terrible! He shouldn't get another game!

What a moron. 9-7 with a playoff win. This, with a team that was 4-14 without him. Pretty terrible for his first 16 starts... 32/16 TD/turnover ratio, with 3785 yards. Again, terrible! He shouldn't get another game!

Didn't you know He likes losing in style with a QB who has a stronger arm than Elway's... or one that crawls into a fetal position as a defensive mechanism...

"Oh, man, can Russell flick it," says NFL Network analyst Greg Cosell, who has broken down film of Russell and Quinn. "Like Elway, he has the ability to see and make downfield throws 50 yards when he's on the move.

"If you think JaMarcus Russell is one of those special quarterbacks — and in the NFL right now, there's Peyton Manning, Tom Brady and Carson Palmer— you have to take him. I don't know how the Raiders have him evaluated. But I can tell you watching him on film, he wowed me."

Cosell also thinks Russell has all the tools to be great. "This kid is a special passer, and he's got a complete inventory of throws," he says. "He's got that football intuition. He throws from different platforms, doesn't always have to be perfectly set and can move within the boxing-ring space of the pocket to find the quiet area."

He's hardly the only person who had that opinion of Russell. He had a great arm. Just didn't have the head and the discipline for the game. Similar story with Ryan Leaf. You need the tools and the head.

He's hardly the only person who had that opinion of Russell. He had a great arm. Just didn't have the head and the discipline for the game. Similar story with Ryan Leaf. You need the tools and the head.

The same Ryan Leaf that you claim is better than Tebow?

"If you think JaMarcus Russell is one of those special quarterbacks — and in the NFL right now, there's Peyton Manning, Tom Brady and Carson Palmer—"

He's hardly the only person who had that opinion of Russell. He had a great arm. Just didn't have the head and the discipline for the game. Similar story with Ryan Leaf. You need the tools and the head.

Here's the beginning of Tony backing into another contradiction. Ready?