Why would God warn us about these things? If he wants this stuff to happen (he controls all yes??) why warn anyone. Or if he wants us to be spared
from this anguish then why not just stop if from happening. (he controls all yes?)

Nonsense. And, I see now....you have SPAMMED the same crap in other threads.

A bunch of superstitious ramblings, from of all things?? Yet another silly text...allegedly "holy".....called the "Quran". No more authority than
the "bible", nor any other ficitonal books written BY humans, FOR humans....as a means of control OVER other humans....

Load of rubbish...... and a belief in a supernatural being, lionized in that manner? Poppycock.

I can't say if it was changed or not.I do know that i have been following it for a few months now and i have not seen any changes in future line
ups. I do belive we will see earthquakes On larger scales when the said object is closer. That all will depend on it's size.

I also see a connection to the sun's solar activity and affects on earth. I also see the connection between harp readings and earthquakes.

So here is my conclusion to it all. Whatever is causing and will cause normal earthquake activity To become More frequent and much stronger may be a
natural cause and affect that the earth goes through. So if this is something that will wipe out mankind,I am just happy to be here for the end.

many millions of people have died since the beginning of mankind. We are very lucky to be here for such an event. And if we survive, Well that would
be a bonus.

I am at the point now, I dont really care about what might happen. Because reality says to me that nothing major will happen and we should all get a
grip. We have some big problems ahead that are far more serious because they are fact. So far all i see for the last few years is paranoia and fear
mongering. So much speculation and crap to sift through that it is all bull.

Good luck with your journy through life and lets all try to come back to earth for awhile.

Because it's still an issue and more people are coming on board, even PHDs. There is a correlation between planetary and heavenly body alignment that
is tied to geological activity on earth. It sadly is a real issue, perhaps correct or not, there are things happening on this planet at the moment
that perpetuate this thread, things people outside of debunkers can not make sense of and people are looking for answers.

Astrologers have always been fascinated by planetary alignments, and the doomsayers of 2012 have been prophesying a mystical alignment on Dec. 21,
2012. The modern tools of astronomers, such as planetarium software, show otherwise: absolutely no alignment at any time in 2012. But they also
reveal a beautiful alignment visible during the month of May this year.

Because it's still an issue and more people are coming on board, even PHDs.

You do realize having a PhD means nothing right? a PhD can be given to a large range of people from doctors to chiropractors to computer scientists.
Put some names behind these PhD's so we can track their history in the science of astronomy.

Just for the record I wish to let you know that ELENIN is very clearly visible to the naked eye in the constellation of Gemini as it moves in the
ecliptic into Taurus. You need to be watching the sun setting as very quickly the position of ELENIN [directly west at sunset] is such that it is
lost in the haze of the horizon. As viewed from Earth ELENIN is currently moving towards the Sun. It out shines all the stars and is even brighter
than Saturn. ELENIN looks really impressive when viewed through binoculars. It has a bright sparkle to it. No sign of a comet tail. My observation
makes me think that ELENIN is at least a planet and might even be an extinct dark star object. The collapsed husk of a once mighty star. It does not
produce light of its own. Thus as it gets nearer to the Sun its brightness will out shine everything else in the sky with the exception of the Moon
and the Sun. The astronomer who discovered ELENIN reported that according to his observation and mathematics ELENIN is 80,000 kilometers diameter.
That means that ELENIN is a planet as big as Uranus or Neptune. To have that coming so close to us on 16 October 2011 is something of great beauty but
also something to be feared.

As previously reported ELENIN is moving far too slowly to be a traditional comet and it is moving in the plane of the ecliptic which also is a strong
indication that ELENIN is not a traditional comet. Take into consideration that ELENIN is having a substantial gravity such that it has already caused
major earthquakes at each of its previous alignments with the Earth and the Sun, in Chile in South America quake on the 27 February 2010, and
the Christchurch in New Zealand quake on the 4 September 2010, and the Sendai in Japan mega-quake on the 11 March 2011.

The next alignment that ELENIN will make between the Earth and the Sun will be on 27 September 2011 as it will pass in front of the Sun. Then
it and the Earth will begin moving towards each other such that on 16 October 2011 it will pass by the Earth at very close proximity. Close
enough to be of very grave concern to all who are familiar with these phenomenon. Assuming that there will be no actual collision then ELENIN will
from then onwards be moving away from the Earth and will be a very spectacular sight in the morning sky and will be an incredible sight. A once in a
lifetime event. However due to earthquakes and tsunami and volcano eruptions it might not be very comfortable. There is also the solar flare problem,
which we have already experienced at the 11 March 2011 alignment. Solar flare activity will cause major damage to all our computers and electronics
generally. Perhaps a magnetic polarity reversal. The close approach will stir up atmospheric storms of such great intensity that this could be the
trigger for the next great Ice Age cycle. In other words ELENIN is a catastrophic disaster of unparalleled proportions.

Sorry brother, I have no wish to offend you, but you're pre-supposing that ELENIN is a traditional comet. My observations are that it is not a
traditional comet. How does a traditional comet cause major earthquakes ? Traditional comets are nothing more than asteroidal in size and made mostly
of dirty ice. Obviously because of its gravitational effects [earthquakes] it is at least a planet. ELENIN is travelling in the plane of the ecliptic.
Traditional comets are always everywhere except the plane of the ecliptic. I looked at it personally and I failed to see any comet tail. Without a
comet tail there is therefore no coma. Traditional comets because of their coma and tail are always fuzzy in the binoculars or telescope. ELENIN looks
very sharp and clearly defined. No fuzziness about it.

If ELENIN is just a mere six kilometres diameter as you insist [show us your observations and calculations] then ELENIN would not be visible to the
naked eye. That ELENIN is not just an object visible to the naked eye, but is so bright is sure indication that it is something BIG coming along.
Please do not waste my time by insisting that ELENIN is a mere six kilometres diameter when my observations indicate it is something much larger.

You need to see it for yourself to appreciate my point of view. I suggest that you stake out this evening to see it due west at sunset. Interestingly
compare it to Saturn which is visible due south at sunset. Compare the two. See how much brighter ELENIN is ? At present all the other planets are on
the other side of the Sun being visible in the morning at sun rise. Observe them all and see that ELENIN is brighter than any of them. See how ELENIN
is brighter than the proper stars. Highly visible to naked eye observation ELENIN is near to and out shines the proper stars Castor and Pollux of the
constellation of Gemini.

Comets cannot "cause" earthquakes. Neither can the other planets in our Solar System (and they are far, far more massive than any comet).

Traditional comets are nothing more than asteroidal in size and made mostly of dirty ice.

Yes, correct. Some comets, it is being learned, may have more or less ice, by percentage, in their composition. Nothing is ever exactly identical,
in the cosmos.

I looked at it personally and I fail to see any comet tail. Without a comet tail there is therefore no coma.

No, there is always a coma, when it is near enough to the "host" star for the coma to form. The tail? You must think on the angle, at
present.....as you are viewing it. Research into that...I don't know, top of head the exact relationships and angles right now. BUT, if the tail
cannot be seen, two things:

Either it is too far away, yet, for a defined tail to be readily visible, or;

The angle is such that ay tail is foreshortened, from our current point of view. (As in, you are looking at the comet "head on", with the
tail streaming out of view). Recall that the tail will always point AWAY from the star .... it is a result of the solar winds ... and is contrary to
the conventional thinking of a "tail", in other situations).

No fuzziness about it.

Have to take your word, I don't own a telescope. But, that is open to interpretation, by the person doing the viewing.

If ELENIN is just a mere six kilometers diameter as you insist [show us your observations and calculations] then ELENIN would not be visible to
the naked eye.

You ARE seeing the coma, whether you realize it or not.

Hmmmm....about the tail, I was just surmising, but upon research, found this:

It’s diameter exceeds 1 minute of arc, or 80,000 km! It is possible that such a rapid growth of the coma is associated with the apparent
superposition over it of the comet’s dust tail, which after opposition, still remains invisible to the Earthly observer.

"So you've got a modest-sized icy dirtball that is getting no closer than 35 million kilometers," said Yeomans. "It will have an immeasurably
miniscule influence on our planet. By comparison, my subcompact automobile exerts a greater influence on the ocean's tides than comet Elenin ever
will."

Originally posted by CAELENIUMJust for the record I wish to let you know that ELENIN is very clearly visible to the naked eye in the constellation of Gemini as it moves in the
ecliptic into Taurus.

If you're looking in Gemini, you're not seeing Elenin. Elenin is currently in Leo, and far too dim to see:

Originally posted by CAELENIUM
The astronomer who discovered ELENIN reported that according to his observation and mathematics ELENIN is 80,000 kilometers diameter. That means that
ELENIN is a planet as big as Uranus or Neptune.

An analysis of the results of the observations shows a rapid growth of the coma. Besides the internal compact gas envelope, the forming rarified
external coma is also visible in the image. It’s diameter exceeds 1 minute of arc, or 80,000 km! It is possible that such a rapid growth of the coma
is associated with the apparent superposition over it of the comet’s dust tail, which after opposition, still remains invisible to the Earthly
observer.

The coma was 80,000 km across. The coma is an extremely diffuse atmosphere of tiny particles and gas that surrounds the much smaller solid nucleus of
a comet. The coma is so rarefied, there's less stuff in it than the best laboratory vacuum we can produce here on Earth.

Originally posted by CAELENIUM
As previously reported ELENIN is moving far too slowly to be a traditional comet and it is moving in the plane of the ecliptic which also is a strong
indication that ELENIN is not a traditional comet.

Can you give us the velocity of Elenin and of "traditional" comets?

Originally posted by CAELENIUM
Take into consideration that ELENIN is having a substantial gravity such that it has already caused major earthquakes at each of its previous
alignments with the Earth and the Sun, in Chile in South America quake on the 27 February 2010, and the Christchurch in New Zealand quake on
the 4 September 2010, and the Sendai in Japan mega-quake on the 11 March 2011.

There's no evidence Elenin caused any earthquakes.
It wasn't ever in a perfect linear alignment with the Earth and Sun in 3D space, and those earthquakes happened days before or after the point of
least separation between Elenin, the Earth, and Sun.

Originally posted by CAELENIUM
The next alignment that ELENIN will make between the Earth and the Sun will be on 27 September 2011 as it will pass in front of the
Sun.

Actually, the point of least separation (which is still going to be in 2° range) is around 18:00 UTC on September 26.

Originally posted by CAELENIUM
Then it and the Earth will begin moving towards each other such that on 16 October 2011 it will pass by the Earth at very close proximity.

Close in astronomical terms, perhaps. But it will be almost a quarter of the distance from the Earth to the sun away from us, not much closer than
Venus gets to us every 8 months.

Originally posted by CAELENIUM
Close enough to be of very grave concern to all who are familiar with these phenomenon. Assuming that there will be no actual collision then ELENIN
will from then onwards be moving away from the Earth and will be a very spectacular sight in the morning sky and will be an incredible sight.

Actually, as with any comet, the best viewing is shortly before or after perihelion, the closest approach to the Sun. In Elenin's case, it will peak
around September 26th, and will be a fair bit dimmer by mid October. It might be naked-eye visible at its peak, but will not maintain that brightness
for long.

Originally posted by CAELENIUM
However due to earthquakes and tsunami and volcano eruptions it might not be very comfortable. There is also the solar flare problem, which we have
already experienced at the 11 March 2011 alignment. Solar flare activity will cause major damage to all our computers and electronics generally.
Perhaps a magnetic polarity reversal. The close approach will stir up atmospheric storms of such great intensity that this could be the trigger for
the next great Ice Age cycle. In other words ELENIN is a catastrophic disaster of unparalleled proportions.

There is no scientific evidence
any of those things will happen.

Originally posted by CAELENIUM"these are my calculations, but I've revised the 0.24AU's down to 0.0004617 AU's on 21.42pm 16th Oct 2011 (pretty god dam close!)" Scientist
at NASA

No, that was not posted by a NASA scientist. It was posted in the Facebook comments on a video. Here's a screen capture of the comment:

As we can see, it's just some anonymous person (name is listed as Facebook User). And he got that number by looking at the ephemeris incorrectly, as
pointed out by ATS user loopback in this post

Originally posted by CAELENIUM. I looked at it personally and I failed to see any comet tail. Without a comet tail there is therefore no
coma. Traditional comets because of their coma and tail are always fuzzy in the binoculars or telescope. ELENIN looks very sharp and clearly defined.
No fuzziness about it.

Elenin is too dim to see in binoculars now. And as I pointed out above, if you're looking in Gemini, you're not
looking at Elenin. Based on your description of a object brighter than Saturn, due west just after sunset, I'd guess you are looking at the star
Procyon, Betelgeuse, or Capella. All of those are brighter than Saturn currently appears. Capella is the brightest of those.

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