On August 6, the California Fish and Game Commission will be holding its final meeting to consider adoption of the Proposed Resident Small Game & Migratory Upland Game Lead Ban in the Condor Zone.

CRPA and NRA urge you to speak out now on the Lead Ammunition Ban issue. This might be your final opportunity to stop this lead ban proposal. By stopping the adoption of this proposed regulation, we might be able to halt the Lead Ammunition Ban expansion in California.

Apply the pain. Cellphone owners - take time from your snack/smoke/lunch break and call early and often. Emails and faxes help too.

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Bill Wiese
San Jose, CA

CGF Board Member / NRA Benefactor Life Member / CRPA life memberNo postings of mine here, unless otherwise specifically noted, areto be construed as formal or informal positions of the Calguns.Netownership, The Calguns Foundation, Inc. ("CGF"), the NRA, or my employer. No posts of mine on Calguns are to be construed as legal advice, which can only be given by a lawyer.

I am all over this however, there seems to be a lack of traction here on this subject, I hope everyone gets behinds this like AB296.

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--James Madison
'Letter to Edmund Pendleton', 1792

__________________Fighting for the restoration and preservation of the Second Amendment, right here in California since 1989! H. Paul Payne
NRA Liaison to the Executive Vice President
NRA Members' Councils Program Administrator
(951) 683-4NRA Office nrausmc@earthlink.net Email http://www.calnra.com California NRA Web Site ----- CLICK HERE to Join NRA's California Team of Volunteers

PLEASE MAKE THOSE CALLS AND SEND THOSE EMAILS. And please continue doing so until Thursday morning, August 6th.

Thank you for all of your effort.

In liberty.

Paul

__________________Fighting for the restoration and preservation of the Second Amendment, right here in California since 1989! H. Paul Payne
NRA Liaison to the Executive Vice President
NRA Members' Councils Program Administrator
(951) 683-4NRA Office nrausmc@earthlink.net Email http://www.calnra.com California NRA Web Site ----- CLICK HERE to Join NRA's California Team of Volunteers

Just got off the phone with Paul Payne... "...We kicked their X-X-X!..."

Didn't get any details except "Victory, Victory, Victory" but Paul and Ed wanted to thank Bill W, Chris, Brandon and everyone else from calguns that showed.

GREAT JOB!

------------ UPDATE: from Paul...
Report from NRA following the California Fish and Game Commission Hearing

To All:

We have been successful in our effort to stop the expansion of the Lead Ammo Ban!

We won this issue with a vote of 4 - 1.

PLEASE CIRCULATE THIS TO EVERYONE!!!!

Paul

Just to expand on this important issue a bit.

As Bill Wiese and the other Calgunners in attendance can tell you, the team led (personally) by Chuck Michel of Michel and Associates made their presentations in both written and verbal form and the points made could not be (reasonably) refuted.

In short, our team presented data to prove that the so-called "Church Study" was wrong when the authors/proponents claims that lead ammunition is the primary cause of lead poisoning in the few remaining California Condors. The Church Study was used as the primary reason/excuse for passing AB821 and the resulting regulations.

NRA California State Liaison Ed Worley and CRPA Governmental Relations Liaison Tom Pederson did fantastic jobs representing our associations in a very positive manner. Bill Gaines, representing the California Outdoor Heritage Association (aka COHA) also presented his thoughtful and rational positions quite well. Based upon these presentations, we should all be proud!

In short, today's vote was a victory for firearms owners, hunters, sportsmen, and (most of all) common sense.

Although it is now time to celebrate, we will not let our guard down. This effort has many more battles to come.

Thank you for all of your help.

Paul

__________________Fighting for the restoration and preservation of the Second Amendment, right here in California since 1989! H. Paul Payne
NRA Liaison to the Executive Vice President
NRA Members' Councils Program Administrator
(951) 683-4NRA Office nrausmc@earthlink.net Email http://www.calnra.com California NRA Web Site ----- CLICK HERE to Join NRA's California Team of Volunteers

great job guys.
I hope one day we will no longer be the Tax-Raising, Latte-Drinking, Sushi-Eating, Volvo-Driving, New York Times-Reading, Body-Piercing, Hollywood-Loving, Left-Wing Gun-Grabbing Freak Show and be once again the "Golden State"

great job guys.
I hope one day we will no longer be the Tax-Raising, Latte-Drinking, Sushi-Eating, Volvo-Driving, New York Times-Reading, Body-Piercing, Hollywood-Loving, Left-Wing Gun-Grabbing Freak Show and be once again the "Golden State"

Uh, whats wrong with Lattes, Sushi, or Piercings?

(Also, you forgot tattoos.)

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Theseus

Damned criminals! When will they learn that they can't carry guns in prohibited places? I call for a ban on criminals! With a ban on criminals in place we will be assured that this kind of thing can't happen!

If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them, Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in, I would have done it. Senator Dianne Feinstein, CBS-TV's 60 Minutes, February 5, 1995

great job guys.
I hope one day we will no longer be the Tax-Raising, Latte-Drinking, Sushi-Eating, Volvo-Driving, New York Times-Reading, Body-Piercing, Hollywood-Loving, Left-Wing Gun-Grabbing Freak Show and be once again the "Golden State"

This small-town Californian that "cling" to guns and religion, likes Sushi

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Have a great day

"Opposing secession changes the nature of government "from a voluntary one, in which the people are sovereigns, to a despotism where one part of the people are slaves."--New York Journal of Commerce 1/12/61

"[I]t is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery!"--Patrick Henry

We all saw the "presenters" and they did a great job. But, as the late Paul Harvey used to talk about "the rest of the story" there is much more to this story. Much of it will never be spoken about in public, but an important part needs to be told now.

Because of scheduling allotments, speaking time was a critical factor at the CA Fish & Game Commission hearing. Time limits had been imposed on the presenters and the only way to receive an extra minute was to have another person "cede" their time to you. That extra minute made the maximum possible time for presentation four minutes each.

Four minutes does not seem like a lot of time, but when you only have three minutes to start with -- that extra minute means quite a bit. So, the presentation had to be planned-out in advance. And that's what we did.

But where would we get those extremely valuable minutes????

I gave my time to Ed Worley, other good folks in attendance gave their time to others on our team. We received time from COHA representatives and CALGUNNERS at the hearing so it was truly a team effort.

Without everyone doing their part and working together we could not have won. And don't forget all of those calls, letters, emails and faxes. They made a tremendous difference for our side.

So, as Mr. Harvey used to say on the radio, "Now you know, the rest of the story."

Thanks for being part of the team.

Paul

__________________Fighting for the restoration and preservation of the Second Amendment, right here in California since 1989! H. Paul Payne
NRA Liaison to the Executive Vice President
NRA Members' Councils Program Administrator
(951) 683-4NRA Office nrausmc@earthlink.net Email http://www.calnra.com California NRA Web Site ----- CLICK HERE to Join NRA's California Team of Volunteers

This goes to show how with deep preparation & skill we can beat the opposition. It helps when nationally-recognized experts are on our side.

I already knew we had a buncha smart guys in the room, but to see how well the presentation(s) were choreographed - esp in the face of very short time limits in part due to crowded F&GC agenda - was stunning.

Time limits were pressing so presentations had to be reduced to their core, and things had to be kept tight & concise.

[And one of the experts in our holster was the scientist involed in taking down the FBI ballistic lead matching 'evidence' (before this takedown, if dead guy had a lead mix somewhat matching that of the box of rounds on your shelf, the FBI'd say you were guilty of killing the dead guy. This was proved to be junk science and is no longer allowed.)]

But you feel damned good when you see a 4-1 vote against

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Bill Wiese
San Jose, CA

CGF Board Member / NRA Benefactor Life Member / CRPA life memberNo postings of mine here, unless otherwise specifically noted, areto be construed as formal or informal positions of the Calguns.Netownership, The Calguns Foundation, Inc. ("CGF"), the NRA, or my employer. No posts of mine on Calguns are to be construed as legal advice, which can only be given by a lawyer.

HI,
I beliveve the hype over everything is bad for you has gone way beyond our reality, we have had Lead in our meat since it could br shot from a gun and I know ingested into our bodys?
Somehow we over the past 100 years have gone from the stone age to Man on the moon and Nukes we have gotten smarter, and in a blink of a eye over the timeline of time in general we are a pinhead in that line.
My big brother is a world reknown Microbiologist and also a MD he has his Phd in microbiology. Over the Thanksgiving Table I had to shoot fun of the mecury poisioning and the lead poisioning making the human's stupid. My brother and I bit split shot wheights when we where young fishing. I told him I guess it really mess you up David? He is all over the world giving Lectures and also is a Lab Tech at Stanford now. Lead in food has been out there since the metal was added to the gun? Pewter has lead in it, correct?
daily serving plate's. Duhh?? Whats up Man?? Cheech and Chong will be a real brain washer, Legalize the dope, there is a real brain killer. I used to be there. I woke up and didn't want to be a couch potato! Years ago.
kp

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Born here in 63 this State Makes me sick and may have to move out , Every freedom stripped, Enviromentalism over food production? Sick Politicians in love with a minnow, Be Real !!