[QUOTE=steelz09;576819]Ignorance at it's finest. You can't fix stupid.[/QUOTE]Living in 1920 is more ignorant.

09-30-2013, 10:54 PM

LordVile

[QUOTE=Shawn;576618]What I find interesting is that as soon as Tomlin loses his core of leaders developed under Cowher his team struggles for identity. His teams are more penalized and have worse turnover/takeover ratios than Cowhers, yet he is beyong reproach? I believe much of Tomlin's success was off the fumes of Cowhers talent and leaders. He did well with what was handed to him, a franchise QB and the best D in the NFL. But, he has failed to make a mark with his own players. He has failed to find real leaders within a new generation of player. That is why it's time to at least have that discussion.

My thinking? Tomlin will get one more season even if he goes 0-16.[/QUOTE]

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yah, and Cowher had 14 years to build his team. Shouldn't Tomlin get time to build his own team or is that only for WHITE COACHES?? [SIZE=4][/SIZE]

09-30-2013, 10:56 PM

Steelhere10

[QUOTE=LordVile;576839]
yah, and Cowher had 14 years to build his team. Shouldn't Tomlin get time to build his own team or is that only for WHITE COACHES?? [/QUOTE]Like someone said earlier , the standard is not the standard when it comes to Tomlin.

09-30-2013, 10:59 PM

pittpete

And there it goes....
Race being brought up :rolleyes:

09-30-2013, 11:01 PM

Steelhere10

[QUOTE=pittpete;576845]And there it goes....
Race being brought up :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]That is what happens when the team we love so much lay eggs, some haven't brought it up but the agenda remains the same.

09-30-2013, 11:03 PM

steelz09

[QUOTE=LordVile;576839]
yah, and Cowher had 14 years to build his team. Shouldn't Tomlin get time to build his own team or is that only for WHITE COACHES?? [/QUOTE]

Like I said... I only listed players that Tomlin inherited. If you want me to include all players in the Cowher era then it would a landslide in favor of Cowher. And please spare me of the race card BS. That instantly loses all credibility.

10-01-2013, 12:25 AM

LordVile

[QUOTE=steelz09;576848]Like I said... I only listed players that Tomlin inherited. If you want me to include all players in the Cowher era then it would a landslide in favor of Cowher. And please spare me of the race card BS. That instantly loses all credibility.[/QUOTE]

well what OTHER reason would you not give him time to "build his own" team?? wouldn't that be "FAIR" ? I see plenty of ppl who hate him because he is black..

My point is valid..

10-01-2013, 06:01 AM

Slapstick

Actually, Cowher went through something similar to what Tomlin is experiencing right now...

If your "Cowher's players" theory is correct, then you should really look at Cowher's career:

A lot of his early success came when Cowher had "Noll's players"...Greg Lloyd, Rod Woodson, Dermontti Dawson, etc., and in the mid-to-late 90s, when those players left the team (Woodson and Lloyd) or were injured (Dawson), Cowher went through a three-year playoff drought while the team rebuilt with players like Joey Porter, Aaron Smith and Hines Ward...

We even went through the obligatory "letting young talent go (Chad Brown) while keeping an aging vet (Lloyd)" and "blown premium draft picks (Jamain Stephens, Troy Edwards, Jeremy Staat)"....

10-01-2013, 06:49 AM

The Man of Steel

Todd Haley is the cancer on the coaching staff, not Tomlin. It's no coincidence that Haley's arrival and losing have become synonymous.

10-01-2013, 07:29 AM

Shawn

[QUOTE=LordVile;576839]
yah, and Cowher had 14 years to build his team. Shouldn't Tomlin get time to build his own team or is that only for WHITE COACHES?? [/QUOTE]

Please don't pull the race card with me. I'm not a subscriber to white guilt. I base judgments of players and coaches upon their skill set, and performance only. That was ignorant.

As for Cowher, he took a 7-9 team and turned them (without a franchise QB mind you) into an 11-5 team...first season. The team immediately had a new swagger, a new attitude you could feel...and you just knew it was going to be different. And it was different. He brought success back to the Burgh. Cowher had three straight crap seasons later...and trust me...we were calling for his head as well. Cowher started fresh with his coaching staff as well. He only kept on Hoak. He wanted new blood and his picks as coaches.

As for Tomlin, this is his 7th season. He kept most of Cowhers staff on. Had the player leadership built by Cowher. He walked into a perfect situation where he had a franchise QB and the best D in the NFL. Under Tomlin, the Steelers went from having one of the best turnover/take away ratios to being in the middle of the pack...same with penalties. Tomlin experienced success off the back of Cowhers staff and players.

Cowher's staff is gone...many of his leaders are gone. Tomlin AND Colbert have done nothing to groom and replace that leadership. These Steelers are the worst I have seen in my history as a fan. And you want to make this about race? That is just weak.