There was some confusion about this before: Reddit admins apparently had tried to shut it down earlier, but it was still visible to some users who had turned off custom css; now it’s really down.

And Redditors have reacted, well, just about as predictably as you could imagine.

Violentacrez, the guy who started the Jailbait subreddit (and many other equally horrible ones), responded with an indignant post in his own personal subreddit calling the shutdown “bullshit” – and linking to the various remaining subreddits where pictures of underage girls are still being posted freely.

My favorite comments are the ones complaining that r/jailbait is being shut down but r/trees, a subreddit devoted to talking about weed, is still up. DeliriousZeus got 45 upvotes for this idiotic comment:

[T]he two subreddits are celebrations of something frowned upon by others. … both are places where joy is the aim, but many view them with hostility.

Poor suffering Jailbaiters, whose only sin is that they’re simply trying to share a little bit of joy. Oh, and pornographic pictures of 14-year-old girls. Why would anyone get all hostile about that little bit of innocent fun?

Jailbait, gone but not forgotten. And because there are still a whole mess of other jailbaity subreddits, not even really gone.

The femmes are the hateful ones. They are the misandrists, the man-haters, the hate mongers, the Her Holy Highnesses. They ARE, and the sooner you recognize that, the sooner we can move forward into a better world, a world in which bitches will no longer be permitted to use men as objects.This is the most important fight in the Western world, in my opinion, and I have a high IQ.

MRAL, unbowed, stares across the wreckage of the recent conflict and sheds a single glittery tear. Behind him, the Blue Angels scatter flaming roses from their jet engines…exhaust-thingies…you know what, let’s just move past that, I’m not sure what those things are. But anyway, there are roses. And they are on fire. Like MRAL’s heart, with love. Love for America and its men, manly alpha men, men who flame (as it were) with love just like he does, men who hate femmes, men who’ve never been near a vagina, as the design flaws repulsed them: no engines… exhaust ports…Jefferies tubes — you know what, just forget this. You know what I mean, things that stick out.

Ridiculous. The femmes are the hateful ones. They are the misandrists, the man-haters, the hate mongers, the Her Holy Highnesses. They ARE, and the sooner you recognize that, the sooner we can move forward into a better world, a world in which bitches will no longer be permitted to use men as objects. This is the most important fight in the Western world, in my opinion, and I have a high IQ.

As Men’s Rights Space Pope, I decree that “and I have a high IQ” be MRAL’s sign out.

DKM = PEACE AND FREEDOM!!!1
MRAL = and I have a high IQ.
NWOslave =

Hm. I don’t remember what NWOslave’s was supposed to be. It’s hard being a Space Pope sometimes.

I couldn’t care less about you, specifically, CWiles. I care that you managed to do the same jackass thing privileged people always do, and added some novel jackassery.

It is a weird kind of appropriation to not only try to claim the struggles of others’ as your own, but to insult them in doing so. This isn’t me not liking you because you were an MRA; that raised a red flag, but I said nothing to see if you would actually not be an asshole. Then you said that feminism was born as a hate movement, and all doubt was lost. Who the fuck do you think you are, that you think anyone should accept you after that?

I mean, that’s putting aside your erasing the shit we still have to worry about because of Men’s Right’s Idiots. Seriously, this?

I don’t speak for other people and they don’t speak for me.

Oh. Fucking. Really?

Feminism as the original suffrage movement started off with a whole lot of hate and anger. I think this is how most movements are born.

This is speaking for a lot of people here, and as it happens those people made their opinions known.

@Rutee If that is your biggest beef than I’ll try and elaborate and rephrase my thoughts it to see if it helps at all. I was not trying to suggest that the first wave of feminism began as a hate movement. What I was trying to convey was that all movements and protests begin with anger, frustration, and even hate sometimes. That does not make it a hate movement or illegitimate at all. To suggest so would be a tone argument.

And yes this is a generalization. Not every individual joins a movement because they are angry or pissed off. I think it is common knowledge or at least pretty sensible that movements are born though frustration. Saying so does not equate to me speaking for other people.

The fact that winter is fast approaching and there is less sunshine makes me angry. Not to worry though, men who are scared of women – once it starts to get really dark and cold I’ll be too severely afflicted by SAD to be a danger to anyone.

Hey everybody! I’m back in good old Utah for a 21 day stint, I hope anyway.

Seen a bunch of comments about what feminism is, so I just thought I’d remind that if you the right to life, freedom, property and vote, you’re equal. That’s all there is there ain’t no more. So everything else Big Daddy gives ya is a privilege/entitlement above anything any man gets. So if ya lobbied for any of those perks or you’re silent about having them, you’re complicent in passive hatred of men.

On topic, I must reiterate. If ya don’t want 14 year old girls pictures floating about, you should teach girls to be responsible for their own actions. I could see if those pictures were taken clandestinly that’d be a problem. However, if the girl took the pictures herself, or posed for them, she’s the problem.

I mean age aside, didn’t Weiner send pictures of himself out on the old internet, or those pictures at least got on the internet? Did we blame the women who looked at those pics? Of course not, he was held responsible for his actions. I don’t care if you’re 14 or 40, you need to be held accountable for your own actions. If she didn’t do her homework, or snuck out at night, or did anything she wasn’t supposed to do, you’d hold her accountable.

Since women already have the right to life, freedom, property and vote, maybe feminism should turn it’s attention towards personal responsibilty. In other words, if a woman/girl can’t or refuses to control her animal instincts. Don’t blame men for your shortcomings.

I don’t care if you’re 14 or 40, you need to be held accountable for your own actions. If she didn’t do her homework, or snuck out at night, or did anything she wasn’t supposed to do, you’d hold her accountable.

According to Owlyslave, a teenager’s brain is the same as an adult’s. Sorry, bub, that’s demonstrably wrong and has played a role in some court cases. Judgement in teenagers is inhibited.

I could see if those pictures were taken clandestinly that’d be a problem. However, if the girl took the pictures herself, or posed for them, she’s the problem.

Damn those teenage girls, compelling men with their uncontrolled animal sexuality to distribute naked photographs of them on the internet! Where’s the personal responsibility these days, I asks ya!

Going on my prior observations of Slavey this means that your interpretation is probably the correct one. If any translation offered results in a sentence that makes sense then we can pretty much assume that we’re translating the word incorrectly.

Seen a bunch of comments about what feminism is, so I just thought I’d remind that if you the right to life, freedom, property and vote, you’re equal. That’s all there is there ain’t no more. So everything else Big Daddy gives ya is a privilege/entitlement above anything any man gets.

Yes, because men have no right to go to school, be protected from crime, receive healthcare, be represented in government, seek employment, walk on public streets, form or dissolve a marriage…

Either you’re posting from the Mad Max universe, NWO, or you’re just extraordinarily dense.

(There is the issue that men aren’t often the recipients of “equal rights” legislation, but that’s just because in practice it generally means equal to men, and men are already equal to men.)

@Cwiles704
The words and (admittedly limited) deeds of self proclaimed MRAs have led to the term having a very specific meaning. There is so much overlap with “anti-feminist” that there isn’t much distinguishable. This is the reasons why I asked you for clarity. The misplaced, incoherent and visceral anger, hatred and crudeness of the overwhelming majority of MRAs mean that the term is toxic to any right-thinking person, at least without a firm caveat. If you are genuine, and I have no reason to doubt this, then I apologize for this generalization but I hope that you accept my reasons for asking?

Feminists, except for a very few celebrated (by MRAs) examples are committed to rights for all and to equality. MRAs are committed only to constantly iterating their perceived victimhood and, bizarrely, proclaiming great victories in combating “feminist governance” etc
As a proud feminist, I applaud and support your work with victims of DV – the gender of the victim, or perpetrator, is of no interest to me. However, MRAs want there to be as little support for female victims of DV as possible – this is unacceptable and that is why MRAs are the enemy.

You noted, then rephrased, that Suffragettes were motivated by anger, hatred,and frustration etc – the makings of a rational point. The difference is that they were angry at legislation denying them suffrage. MRAs are angry at (white, western) women in general (they don’t know what a feminist is, if they did I would say ‘feminists in particular’). MRAs are almost exclusively misogynists, often racist and, as many of David’s posts show, they have highly questionable (and immature) attitudes to sex and sexuality. I think that all of these are linked.

David Futrelle treats MRAs as they should be treated – with derision, humor and scorn.

Might I ask if there are any MRA bloggers/writers that you support?

To those who have been suspicious of CW – give him a chance – he deserves one.

However, if the girl took the pictures herself, or posed for them, she’s the problem.

Because a 14 year old girl could never be manipulated. The 20 something man involved had no agency.

Nope, she “posed” for those pictures, so he 1: Had to take them (maybe she was so desperate to have naked pictures of herself posted on the intarwebz that she sat down and cried in the street until some man came up and was required to do as she asked), and 2: then had to post them on reddit.

Because you know, it’s always the woman’s fault, and anyone who has curves is a woman, not a child.

don’t care if you’re 14 or 40, you need to be held accountable for your own actions. If she didn’t do her homework, or snuck out at night, or did anything she wasn’t supposed to do, you’d hold her accountable.

And for those I would, but there is another actor in this, and you are absolving him completely. Why? Because he’s a a man, and you don’t blame men for anything; even exploiting children, if those children are female.

I begin to think you work in milking because you like it. You like hooking females up to machines and strapping suction pumps to their breasts, so you can force them to give you milk because they were forced to have calves.

You’d rather it was human women you had that much control over, but in a pinch cows will do.

I mean, seriously, why would they make Wonder Woman the daughter of Zeus!? I hate that!

Maybe I missed the context of this quote (and I’m certainly not all that up on my superhero canon) but isn’t Wonder Woman supposed to be Athena? That was my assumption, at least. IIRC, her name is Diana, who was the Roman counterpart to the Greek Athena. And Athena was the daughter of Zeus. Pretty much everyone was, really.

Where in the hell did he get the idea that Wondie is Zeus’s daughter? She’s Hippolyta’s daughter, born from clay that was brought to life by various female goddesses. There was no man involved in her conception.

“Where in the hell did he get the idea that Wondie is Zeus’s daughter? She’s Hippolyta’s daughter, born from clay that was brought to life by various female goddesses. There was no man involved in her conception.”

I was not trying to suggest that the first wave of feminism began as a hate movement.

Then why would you compare them to the MRM? You’re either lying or ignorant in doing so; you either are completely fucking blind to what the majority of it is saying and doing, or you are dissembling and familiar with the rather large differences in reasonability and respectability.

What I was trying to convey was that all movements and protests begin with anger, frustration, and even hate sometimes.

You’re still trying to weasel it in.

Anti-MRAs: He got enough rope, he chose to hang himself rather than crawl out of the pit he dug. I’m glad he’s doing useful work but it ain’t gonna be enough given the intersection fail.

@HAMRA. I am thrilled at your response actually. I figure as long as I’m honest and transparent as possible without being retaliatory than people should accept me and my beliefs as non-contradictory, like many feminists and MRAs argue.

I debate other MRAs on occasion. I’ve changed a few minds about what and who is to blame. Some feminists say some troubling things, as most know. But I understand that they are a minority. Most feminists are just like me, trying to help people who have been wronged or unfairly treated do to sexism. My biggest problem that some people have pointed out to me in the past is that my definition of equal treatment is just treating everyone how I would treat “the guys”. Or that I try to be completely genderblind. Some argue that that is problematic as well, but I am doing my best.

I also identify as a masculinist, gender egalitarian, equal rights activist. Whatever, in the end we are all working towards the same goal. I can’t stop the vitriol and misogyny in the MRA boards through debate. I can only work to change one mind at a time by being and example to others.

I don’t follow a ton of blogs, I have a busy schedule and spend most of my free time either on steam or derping on reddit. I follow No, Seriously, What about the menz? , Danny’s Corner, Toy Soldier’s blog, and Shakesville. I should probably note that I don’t agree with everything I see on all of those blogs. Well except maybe NSWATM.. that place is awesomesauce. Particular writers? Not really no. My personal theory about mainstream gender politics blogs is that nobody is going to write agreeable, non-controversial things. Because it’s boring! Controversy means more hits. It’s the way it works unfortunately.

If I had a blog myself it would be so lame. “Hey I think everyone should be treated equally! No it’s no ones fault really. We should just work little by little to make the world a better place. Oh and feminist’s aren’t the problem. ok? oook.”
Totally gonna get a million followers with that.

And, idiot, it’s not that it’s technically impossible to work on men’s issues and not be a feminist. The contradiction is because you identify as part of a hate movement. I’ve seen TED talks by a number of feminists who try to help with men’s issues. They just don’t identify as a shit movement that isn’t worth redeeming. It’s too much trouble to reclaim a shitty movement. Just find a new name and gather under that banner. It’s not useful to pretend the MRA as it exists is realistically ‘redeemable’.

“Give him a chance”? He’s had time to equate the MRA as it is now to early feminism and the suffragettes, keeps trying to downplay the jackassitude of the MRM, and already said he follows Toy Fucking Soldier, who’s on the Feminism or Death thread in case you forgot what a rabid asshole, anti-feminist, and useless jackass he is. Where, pray tell, is the line? Do I wait for a glowing appraisal of Breivik?

@HAMRA:
As I’ve said I really don’t consider myself a part of any blogosphere, it’s just not my thing. But even though I’ve never visited them once in my life, it really seems the spearhead and mgtow forums that David features all the time to be pretty pathetic places.

For feminists blogs, well. Even on blogs like shakesville I see problems all the time. I empathize with Melissa though. She’s expected to make 4-5 posts daily. It’s impossible to have every post be quality material. The nastiest blogs I’ve seen are at Radfemhub and Factcheckme. I know they don’t represent mainstream feminism. But I’ve had enough real-life exposure to them that the label is forever tainted to me.

An MRA is one of those self-defining terms. Male’s rights activist. One who is an activist for male’s rights. In practice, most of them spend time on blogs in an eternal circlejerk. They become extremely defensive when provoked, and they are provoked constantly. Much of the anger is outright misogyny. They hate women and love privlidge. I have another personal theory that basically goes “not all MRAs are misogynists, but all misogynists are MRAs. Not all feminists are misandrists, but all misandrists are feminists.” Do I have any proof of that, no of course not.

Many MRAs, like myself, are angry at the many injustices that happen to men get no attention by anyone. It is basically only the Men’s rights movement that notice these injustices and puts them in the spotlight. Many blame feminists that define feminism as “for everyone” while giving only lip-service to men. For this reason I define feminism as a women’s rights movement. And a feminist to be a person who works towards women’s rights. Honestly I’m pretty stubborn on that point, because it makes sense to me. If you are fighting for women’s rights, you’re a feminist. If you’re fighting for equal rights, you’re a gender egalitarian.

I think most of today’s modern feminists, not on the blogosphere but in the real world are both feminists and gender egalitarians. But there are many who aren’t. Some don’t give a single shit about men’s rights. And through anecdotal experience, it is those feminists that are the loudest and in the positions of most influence.

Unfortunately, as much as I would love to stay and defend the weakest points of my argument. I’m afraid I won’t be posting here anymore. It is clear I am unwelcome. I am sorry for invading your space.

“not all MRAs are misogynists, but all misogynists are MRAs. Not all feminists are misandrists, but all misandrists are feminists.”

Still not sure if stupid or evil. Not good evidence for either specifically.

Assuming you’re stupid, you are aware that while misandry is not really an extant force on anywhere near the level of misogyny, right? That pretty much everyone puts forth misogynist memes, and that most misogyny doesn’t really relate to the MRM because it’s too pathetic to really have that much influence? You’re aware that most tropes that hurt some men not only aren’t generally misandristic (Because they benefit the whole of men, even while hurting individuals), but that they are enforced by patriarchal notions and people (See the previous point)? Your ‘theory”, such as it is, at no point intersects reality.

t is basically only the Men’s rights movement that notice these injustices and puts them in the spotlight.

Now this is complete bullshit, you just don’t notice because you spend way too much time listening to anti-feminists. Most of the useful work done on the problems of men is *still* done by feminists.

Many blame feminists that define feminism as “for everyone” while giving only lip-service to men.

Completely untrue. IF anything, feminists waste far too much time trying to assuage the fears of men because we have to fight an uphill battle against a culture that enshrines men.

But there are many who aren’t.

Not unlike your idiotic theory, you have presented 0 evidence for this proposition.

OK, give the fellow a break – I don’t agree with him but he has interesting views.

Only if one redefines “interesting” to mean “Shallow and ill-thought out”

This guy is somewhat less interesting than watching paint dry. At least when the paint dries the end result will be pleasing and useful.

Also, about the idea that all misandrists are feminists…some of the nastiest commentary about men coming from women that I’ve ever seen has come from very conservative and traditional women. Seriously, have you heard what those women think of you? It’s not a pretty picture that they paint, overall.

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