first of all, to be president, the person must be more than a citizen. he must be a naturla born citizen.do you even know what that means, you idiot? it means, born on american, to two parents, both of whomare citizens at the time, without being citizens to another country.

even if he was born in hawaii, that does not make him a natural born american.

would this be good enough for a law suit. the governor confirms he was born in hawaii.

she does not even say they have a birth certificate. where are the documents.

It's quite impossible to refute paranoid fantasies, as you'd well know if you weren't suffering from paranoid fantasies.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson

For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama

You're so far gone, you no longer even recognize the words "paranoid fantasy." Seriously, old bean, get some medical attention.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson

For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama

Okydoke. So now, in light of the Utube link, how can we be sure we don't have a fake?

Becuase Hawaiian state officials have said that it's genuine?

Oh but wait, that's just a fact.

Wouldn't it be nice for the man to just produce the signed notorized long form and put it all to rest?

Wouldn't it be nice for any Hawaiian to obtain a "signed notorized long form" and thereby prove that this is in fact something that a citizen of Hawaii can actually do, rather than a feat only possible in the fantasies of lunatics?

I note that the great state of Hawaii has over a million citizens. Couldn't just one of them put Obama to shame by getting the Hawaiian State Department of Health to issue just one Hawaiian with just one of these "signed notorized long forms", to prove that the thing is possible?

We now return you to La-la-land, where the bleedin' obvious is invisible, where the laws of logic have been repealed, and ...

It is interesting to note, that when something occurs that you just cannot believe, that it is easier to believe some vast conspiracy is involved rather than that what occurred is real. This, of course, is really cognitive dissonance in action, rather than any real skepticism or logic.

In 2000, it was the election of Schrubbia that seemed so incredible to the liberal democrats, that it was obvious (to them) that the election was stolen by a conspiracy of vast electoral fraud. The Schrubbia conspiracy also expanded to the question of his discharge papers from the Texas National Guard, which curiously, could not produce the "long form" of required documentation that should be available for all members of any branch of the armed forces.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson

For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama

Wouldn't it be nice for any Hawaiian to obtain a "signed notorized long form" and thereby prove that this is in fact something that a citizen of Hawaii can actually do, rather than a feat only possible in the fantasies of lunatics?

Is it asking too much for any Hawaiian to obtain a photocopy of a "signed notorized long form" and thereby prove that this is in fact something that a citizen of Hawaii can actually do, rather than a feat only possible in the fantasies of lunatics?

I note that the great state of Hawaii has over a million citizens. Couldn't just one of them put Obama to shame by getting the Hawaiian State Department of Health to issue just one Hawaiian with just one of these photocopied "signed notorized long forms", to prove that the thing is possible?