Broadlands Hospital Approved!

Chris, I read it as a guideline, and not a rule. That appears to be the stance taken by the Administrators.

Obviously, if a segment of the Broadland community wants to limit open dialog, and officially adopt a policy of isolationism, they have that option.

I believe by having me and others, continue to be part of this forum, most Broadland residents are not accepting that myopic view of the community.

However, if it is your wish to lobby to silence voices like mine, within this forum, push for it. It is your right, and certainly will be a further reflection on the type of community you wish Broadlands to become.

My opinion is you and a few others are in a minority on this issue. Most seem to view Broadlands as a viable part of the Ashburn Community and certainly a signficant part of Loudoun County. Your approach is a large reason why your opinion is considered comical, you continue to push views only related to your neighborhood, not the bigger picture. You are a classic example of a NIMBY advocate. You should take guidance, and advice from most of your neighbors, they seem to have a more open view on the overall situation.

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Welcome to the Broadlands Community Forums!
These forums are available for use by the residents of the Broadlands to ask questions about life in the Broadlands, such as homeowner questions about their house, questions about landscaping, questions about the pools, etc.

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Dear afgm: Please see the snippet above taken from the "Forum Rules and Information" posted by the Admin. You regularly admit that you are NOT a Broadlands resident. Therefore, you are violating the forum's rules. I have no problem with your presence here (though your maniacal ranting is a tad tiring), but you are self admittedly in violation of the Admin's rules. Of course, others posting here may not live here either. However, you have admitted to not living here on numerous occassions. Either the forum's rules should be changed, or you should not post here...if the forum is going to follow its own rules.

I suggest you look in a mirror because you are the one that continues to attack me for no reason. How about providing an example of my "vicious attack". This is suppose to be a discussion forum for the hospital, not your personal attack forum!

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GCyr: I might actually believe that are not opposed to free speech and letting people speak their mind if you did not viciously attack anyone who disagrees with you.

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Either the forum's rules should be changed, or you should not post here...if the forum is going to follow its own rules.

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afgm: See above. (Thank you, VACLIFF for understanding the point of my comment. Finally there's something we can agree on.) I said that the forum's rules should be changed to allow non-residents or you should not post on here. I prefer that we all follow the rules of the forum, not just the ones that we like. If enforcement of the forum's rules is arbitrary, then someone could easily assume that the Admins are letting you break the rules (while actively censoring others) only because the Admins agree with your comments. I am not saying that this is case; however, unless rules are enforced, someone could easily make that assumption.

GCyr: You label my comments as "vile" and have the audacity to say that you're not engaging in attacks. Is the color of the sky over your section of the Broadlands plaid?

Chris, trying to follow you on this subject, and your other frivilous comments, is a "goat rope". I have come to the conclusion you only want to rabble rouse, and divert attention to yourself. Some people use forums for just entertainment value and not for real discussion. It is apparent you are using this as a personal game, and not related to any real debate. Maybe we should start a forum just for your antics. Let's see how many people listen in then.

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Either the forum's rules should be changed, or you should not post here...if the forum is going to follow its own rules.

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afgm: See above. (Thank you, VACLIFF for understanding the point of my comment. Finally there's something we can agree on.) I said that the forum's rules should be changed to allow non-residents or you should not post on here. I prefer that we all follow the rules of the forum, not just the ones that we like. If enforcement of the forum's rules is arbitrary, then someone could easily assume that the Admins are letting you break the rules (while actively censoring others) only because the Admins agree with your comments. I am not saying that this is case; however, unless rules are enforced, someone could easily make that assumption.

GCyr: You label my comments as "vile" and have the audacity to say that you're not engaging in attacks. Is the color of the sky over your section of the Broadlands plaid?

Sk8r - really?? geee, we would never have thought of that! Gosh, thanks for pointing that out for us. Next time something happens we will certainly consult with you first.

WE will decide what is best for our child, not you or anyone else. Oh, and to satisfy your requirements, our son fell down several brick stairs and required a CT scan.

Want to pile anything else on??? Maybe something about how bad we are at parenting to let our child fall?

You can move in 2-3 DAYS for all I care.

Have a lovely day Nurse Ratchet

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You know, you do not have to run to the ER every time you son gets hurt or has an ear infection.
That is one of the reasons ERs are so backed up. 2/3's of the people do not need emergency care.
I know, I worked as a nurse in an ER for two years...
There are plenty of places you can go when your child is ill or sick and your regular doctor is not available.
Emergency rooms are for EMERGENCIES. So next time you complain about being in the ER for 5 hours think about all of the other people that had your idea. You get what you deserve.
We dont need a hospital here in B-lands b/c this is the wrong place for a hospital -- not in a neighborhood. There are plenty of places for a hospital in Loudoun County and the only reason HCA wants to build here is because this is where they think they will get a good run for the money. It is poor planning for Loudoun County.
:-/ I dont care really -- we are moving in 2-3 years and I just dont care.

T8: it must have not been that important to the ER triage if you sat for 5 hours. We had head injuries in the ER and if they assessed as urgent they go up to the front of the line. Obviously your son was not in crtical danger especially since you had to "entertain" him the whole time. A CT scan is standard procedure in most head injuries. X rays don't show enough.
Actually I was initially referring to your ear infection. Going to the ER for an ear infection is never a good idea unless you enjoy sitting. (Ear infections are over rated).
Yes, You may decide what is best for your child but then don't come out and cry about how you suffered at the ER. You decided to go there.
I am a nice person so don't call me names. It is not kind anyway.
If you ever need advice regarding anything medical I would be very happy to help.

The hospital can't do much more for a fever of 104.4 than you can do at home.
When your child spikes a temp you need to cover his forehead (and arms and legs if you can...) with moist cool damp (not dripping) cloths and get the fever down as soon as possible. Keep changing the cloths to keep them cool.
Give him Tylenol or Motrin. All kids spike high temps. My youngest daughter used to get delirious when she had a fever over 103 and it was frequent. Number one thing is get the fever down. If you can't get the fever down, put them in the tub with coolish water and a bunch of fun toys.
There are a few very good child care books out there that have pretty good advice about childhood illnesses. One I always recommend is "Your Baby and Child" by Penelope Leach. The other is good ole' Dr. Spock.
I have never been to the ER with either of my kids and they have had everything, and a lot of scary stuff too.

The hospital can't do much more for a fever of 104.4 than you can do at home.
When your child spikes a temp you need to cover his forehead (and arms and legs if you can...) with moist cool damp (not dripping) cloths and get the fever down as soon as possible. Keep changing the cloths to keep them cool.
Give him Tylenol or Motrin. All kids spike high temps. My youngest daughter used to get delirious when she had a fever over 103 and it was frequent. Number one thing is get the fever down. If you can't get the fever down, put them in the tub with coolish water and a bunch of fun toys.
There are a few very good child care books out there that have pretty good advice about childhood illnesses. One I always recommend is "Your Baby and Child" by Penelope Leach. The other is good ole' Dr. Spock.
I have never been to the ER with either of my kids and they have had everything, and a lot of scary stuff too.

Oh, one more thing. We don't need a hopsital in Broadlands

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For high fevers, our doctor has instructed us in the past to give both tylenol and</u> motrin. It worked like a champ, inducing a rapid decrease in our son's fever. I don't think you are supposed to do it on a regular basis, however.

We don't need a hospital at Broadlands. HCA's decision to build at Broadlands is nothing short of a preditory act designed to force Loudoun Hospital to close. The competition which many believe would improve the service at both hospitals would never happen.

Residents of South Riding, Middleburg, Purcellville and Lovettsvlle need local healthcare facilities, not two hospitals located within 5 miles of each other in the north-east corner of the County.

Fortunately the Loudoun County Board of Supervisors have proposed an amendment to the Comprehensive Plan for the County locates healthcare facilities for the benefit the residents of Loudoun County, rather than a Tennessee based corporation. The State Health Commissioner approved a hospital in Planning District 8, so HCA could easily modify its application and build in South Riding. Then Broadlands residents could choose the hospital to go to, which is true competition.

Whenever there is a situation of this magnitude, no matter the outcome, people will be upset. Whether it be a highway, new home development or a hospital, there is no way to please everyone. Our elected officials need to make a decision based on how they perceive the facts. That is their job and that's what we pay them to do! Many (not all) elected officials are too spineless to make a decision until they know how it will affect their re-election potential. Since the community is basically split 50/50, for and against, our elected clowns will drag it out until a majority begins to emerge which, in the case of the hospitals, isn't going to happen anytime soon.
Both sides agree that more medical services are needed in Loudoun, be it from a new hospital or an expansion of Loudoun Hospital. Either way, as long as our elected officials drag their feet, no new hospital will be built, LHC will never be able to expand, southern and western Loudoun residents will have to drive 30 miles to get medical attention, all Loudoun residents will be without local cardiac care and every last one of us will suffer because of their indecisiveness! We need to press these officials to get of the pot, do their job and make a decision!

OP, I appreciate your view, but would like to clarification portions of your statement.

It may be a fair statement to say Broadlands is split 50/50, but I would consider it a leap to say the entire County is split. I am not sure if you agree with this distinction, but thought it worth clarification from another perspective.

Those who are not looking at this from a "not in my backyard" perspective are seeing this with a clearer view of the facts. Those facts are being debated. Some seem to be taking this very emotionally, rather than calmly evaluating the healthcare requirements of the entire county, not just a relatively small neighborhood.

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...Since the community is basically split 50/50, for and against, our elected clowns will drag it out until a majority begins to emerge which, in the case of the hospitals, isn't going to happen anytime soon.
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OP, I appreciate your view, but would like to clarification portions of your statement.

It may be a fair statement to say Broadlands is split 50/50, but I would consider it a leap to say the entire County is split. I am not sure if you agree with this distinction, but thought it worth clarification from another perspective.

Those who are not looking at this from a "not in my backyard" perspective are seeing this with a clearer view of the facts. Those facts are being debated. Some seem to be taking this very emotionally, rather than calmly evaluating the healthcare requirements of the entire county, not just a relatively small neighborhood.

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...Since the community is basically split 50/50, for and against, our elected clowns will drag it out until a majority begins to emerge which, in the case of the hospitals, isn't going to happen anytime soon.
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AFGM,
I will admit the 50/50 split is not from any official polls only from what I read in the local papers, Loudoun Easterner, Leesburg Today, Washington Post,etc. If there has been any official polling done of Loudoun residents I would love to see it.
That said, I think you will agree that this issue has been dragged out too long and a decision needs to be made. I feel the local government has enough info to make in informed decision.
As far as the NIMBY factor, you are correct that it influences some opinions in this forum. I even made note of that fact in a past posting. I am willing to bet there are NIMBY's in Landsdowne fighting Loudoun Hospital's expansion plans because it would increase traffic in their community.
Personally, I lean toward building BRMC but, I won't lose any sleep if it goes the other way.

Election results are always based on the total number of votes cast. The results are never calculated using the total number of potential voters. Giving the percentages in the way they were reported in the community newsletter was nothing more than an attempt by the author(s) to hide the fact that 46.3% of the respondents were against the hospital. A majority!

In my opinion, a 5% margin shouldn't be considered a tie, but shows a clear majority of the respondents are against the hospital. As far as the 60% no replies, that is about right for a survey of any particular population. Actually, a 40% response rate could even be considered high.

I don't expect to find professional journalism in a community newsletter, but it was very surprising and disheartening to find so much blatant advocacy journalism, bordering on plain propaganda.

I am forwarding this post to the editor of the community newsletter, requesting a clarification be printed in the next issues, using the standard method of reporting poll results.

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"most"? Are you referring to the "statistically" tied survey.

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As the minority of HCA proponents starts to rejoice, keep in mind that most of the families of the Broadlands did not want this hospital based on the HOA's own survey.

Thank you Joseph and Taghrid for stating the correct procedure when it comes to posting the results of a survey. I used those percentages when speaking to the Board of Supervisors and our HOA VP basically said I was misinformed about the correct percentages and he quoted percentages that included the entire possible voting area. His percentages were 17% and 15% (or about). I thought it was very interesting because I pulled the percentages off of this website and used the percentages he listed in his post. I also informed the BOard of Supervisors that the MAJORITY of the respondents were AGAINST HCAs plan. Good thing you mentioned it so that I couldn't be accused of being biased, devious and misinformed. (not that would ever happen here on this forum).