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Obama Says He Wants to Debate Civil Liberties With Romney LOL!!!!!

During last night's campaign speech at the Ritz-Carlton in Los Angeles, President Obama said:

So on every issue domestically we’ve got differences, and I haven’t even—we haven’t talked about the fact that my opponent feels comfortable with Washington making decisions about women’s health care that women, Michelle tells me, are perfectly capable of making themselves. (Laughter and applause.)
We haven’t talked about what's at stake with respect to the Supreme Court. We haven’t talked about what's at stake with respect to civil liberties. And obviously there's a lot at stake internationally. And an opponent who calls me ending the war in Iraq "tragic," or suggests that somehow we should stay longer in Afghanistan has a very different world view, different perspective.

Let's put aside for a minute that Obama rejected the FDA's science-based recommendation to allow girls under the age of 17 over-the-counter access to emergency contraception; that a Republican-appointed Supreme Court justice saved Obamacare; and that Obama's "different world view" manifests in funding (and directing) a Mexican drug war that's claimed 60,000 lives, bombing an incalculable number of Muslim civilians, and lying about a terrorist attack on U.S. soil.
Let's instead just focus on this: "We haven’t talked about what's at stake with respect to civil liberties."
"If Obama wants to discuss civil liberties, he should be held accountable for the obliteration of the First, Fourth, and Fifth amendments occurring under his watch, if not under his direction,"writes Jesselyn Radack, National Security & Human Rights Director for the Government Accountability Project. If Radack were moderating, Obama would have to answer for his secret kill list, expanded surveillance, his assassination of American citizens, secret laws created by the PATRIOT Act, and his war on both whistleblowers and journalists.
He should also be asked to answer for at least a few of the following:

As angry as people are at Obama's job with civil liberties, i cant recall Republicans objecting there is to much, only that there isnt enough. You know, except for money or healthcare. Then its big government take over.

As angry as people are at Obama's job with civil liberties, i cant recall Republicans objecting there is to much, only that there isnt enough. You know, except for money or healthcare. Then its big government take over.

How???

Besides the now pro-gay marriage rhetoric from Obama. How are they any different??

Patriot Act, NDAA, Warrantless Wiretaps and Searches, Killing Americans without due process, Drug War, Gitmo, Torture/Rendition and going after whistleblowers. I don't see how you can say Obama will win this debate by a long shot. The fact is Obama is just as much a threat to our civil liberties as Bush/Romney no matter how many happy gay people there are.

Besides the now pro-gay marriage rhetoric from Obama. How are they any different??

Patriot Act, NDAA, Warrantless Wiretaps and Searches, Killing Americans without due process, Drug War, Gitmo, Torture/Rendition and going after whistleblowers. I don't see how you can say Obama will win this debate by a long shot. The fact is Obama is just as much a threat to our civil liberties as Bush/Romney no matter how many happy gay people there are.

Is there any civil liberty issue where you prefer Romney's position to Obama's? Not making an accusation in the form of a question. Legitimately curious.

Besides the now pro-gay marriage rhetoric from Obama. How are they any different??

Patriot Act, NDAA, Warrantless Wiretaps and Searches, Killing Americans without due process, Drug War, Gitmo, Torture/Rendition and going after whistleblowers. I don't see how you can say Obama will win this debate by a long shot. The fact is Obama is just as much a threat to our civil liberties as Bush/Romney no matter how many happy gay people there are.

What could Romney argue with?

If both candidates are exactly the same but one candidate wants to increase drone strikes and regulate marriage and abortions, doesnt that mean the candidate who uses drone strikes less and is against regulating marriage and abortions wins?

Theres very little Romney could say other then try and convince people increasing all the things you listed is necessary.

If both candidates are exactly the same but one candidate wants to increase drone strikes and regulate marriage and abortions, doesnt that mean the candidate who uses drone strikes less and is against regulating marriage and abortions wins?

Theres very little Romney could say other then try and convince people increasing all the things you listed is necessary.

It's like having a debate about which one is better.....Hanging or Firing Squad. Obama or Romney have no problem trappling our liberties. It'a a sad state of affairs when these 2 represent our best hope for freedoms.

It's like having a debate about which one is better.....Hanging or Firing Squad. Obama or Romney have no problem trappling our liberties. It'a a sad state of affairs when these 2 represent our best hope for freedoms.

That's not the analogy I would choose, since both hanging and fire squad produce exactly the same results.

I think your points on this issue are generally well considered -- neither of them are good on civil liberties -- but at least in the case of abortion rights and marriage rights I don't think it can be argued that Obama's and Romney's positions are the same. Perhaps you consider these issues to be of relatively low importance but I think Spesh's basic point is valid here.