martincisneros

Sounds like a juvenile expression of a marriage support group for women. From their description on the homepage of their site, I'm wondering if there's any remote chance that any women happen to hang around there that are single.

1 Timothy 2:3-4 ...God our Savior; Who will have all men to be saved...John 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

The first 2 are good.But the third one is albout the best verse ever for me.It seems to destroy all arguments that we should read "all" in a limited way as in "elect"

Either you are saved by the first verse because you are in the (limited) 'all group'.If you somehow don't fit into that group you are ungodly and are saved by the 3rd verse.

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1 Timothy 2:3-4 ...God our Savior; Who will have all men to be saved...John 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

Not meaning to be dirt clod in the punch bowl, but couldn't it be said John 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. Means that Jesus didn't come to judge the world that time around, but He will judge it on Judgment Day?

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For it is for this we labor and strive, because we have fixed our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of believers. 1 Timothy 4:10

Maybe so Brian. I think not but can't really backup that claim.But if I read the 3rd verse it won't be very busy in the courtroom on judgement day.If the ungodly are declared rightous they are no longer sinners.I simply read that verse as: I, God, hereby declare you/the sinner worthy to be in heaven.I'm sure you know what declare means but I feel that in this case it's a keyword that need to brought under extra attention. God declares. He doesn't offer, suggest, beg, give a choice. He simply says this is the deal. Period. End of conversation. No moaning because my decision is final.

Finally isn't judgement done after death?That would make the words of Jesus weird because He didn't came to judge the living because the living are/were never judged anyway.

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1 Timothy 2:3-4 ...God our Savior; Who will have all men to be saved...John 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

Judgment of Christ is not based on condemnation or wrath . .but on love. The consuming fire is judgment . . .it assess there is carnality, and carnality is removed. In the end, we stand cleansed by judgment of righteousness.