It seems that the rpcgen and rpcinfo executables created by the build scripts are corrupt.

01:21

When I run rpcinfo I get "-su: ./rpcinfo: No such file or directory"

01:21

When I run ldd on it, I get a similar "No such file or directory error."

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<jernst>

sep: thanks, your advices worked

05:08

I have some issues though

05:09

issue #1: when activating sound in lts.conf I have this error message when starting GNOME: http://img300.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capturewb3.png

05:10

(gnome-settings-daemon seems to crash)

05:10

however sound works fine

05:10

issue #2 evolution-alarm-notify crashes

05:11

issue #3 I feel everything is quite slow and it doesn't seem to be network,memory or cpu bound

05:11

<ogra>

only if you have running another evo with the same user somewhere

05:11

<jernst>

ogra: that might explain why i didn't got this message everytime

05:11

<ogra>

g-s-d seems to have a race condition with dbus starting to slow ...

05:11

<jernst>

but issue #1 and #3 are still there when there are no other client

05:12

<ogra>

the timing was adjusted, but on slow machines or on delayed networks you might still see it

05:12

<jernst>

ogra: is there a workaround ?

05:12

<ogra>

no idea, i cant reproduce it since the final release anymore

05:13

<jernst>

I have this problem even with gigabit connection and two dual core cpus with 1 and 2 gigs of memory, don't think it's too slow

05:13

<ogra>

i think there is some gconf key for g-s-d you can set to make it wait longer for dbus

05:13

for #3 try to switch to 16bit colors ...

05:13

<jernst>

ogra: what is strange is that it's only happening when activating sound

05:14

I'm already using 16bit, maybe I should not be using auto as graphic driver

05:16

I couldn't find a document that describes all the settings available in lts.conf... is there any ?

05:17

<ogra>

dont set the graphics drive at all

05:17

auto is the default anyway

05:17

setting it wil just slow down booting

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<jernst>

ogra: ok will do

05:19

<SWAT>

is there a way (a rule of thumb) to calculate the server requirements for an X number of clients?

05:19

<jernst>

ogra: remote X doesn't seem to output it's logs somewhere so I cannot tell what graphic driver is used, shouldn't it be in /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?

05:20

SWAT: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/ServerSizing

05:21

<SWAT>

jernst, merci

05:22

<jernst>

de rien ;-)

05:25

<SWAT>

I'm currently looking into the possibilities of thin-client usage using linux. Offcourse this isn't applicable for applications that require thick client (e.g. AutoCAD etc.). Is this ltsp 'safe'? I'm also very security oriented

05:25

<jernst>

everything is ssh encrypted, so I would say yes

05:26

<SWAT>

ow great :)

05:26

<jernst>

Does anyone knows if it is possible to have input sound working ?

05:27

<ogra>

SWAT, if you use a gnome or KDE desktop the reqs are a lot higher than on that wikipage ... 256M to run the server and for gnome 128M/KDE 150M per client at least ...

05:27

if youur users all use the same apps this drops again due to mem sharing ...

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* ogra has to go now ... bbl

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<mighty-d>

Hi, can somebody help me, im trying to get ltsp to work. I'm using slackware 11 and ltsp 4-2 with etherboot from rom-o-matic, so far the thin client gets its IP address but won't load the vmlinuz.... file

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<cliebow>

might-d:still there?

10:01

mighty-d:..you have tftp installed..via inetd?

10:03

check in /etc/inetd.conf..is there a -s parameter?

10:04

which is part of the path tftp assumes when it looks for files.

10:05

if grep filename /etc/dhcpd.conf that will show what is appended to the -s parameter in inetd.conf

10:11

<mighty-d>

yes

10:11

inetd

10:11

yes there is a -s parameter

10:12

ok

10:12

wait

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filename "/lts/2.6.16.1-ltsp-2/pxelinux.0";

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filename "/lts/vmlinuz-2.6.16.1-ltsp-2";

10:12

from dhcpd

10:12

.conf

10:12

cliebow are you there?

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<mighty-d>

hello ? i closed this window by mistake, if you wrote something please paste ???

that should be ok..check that /tftpboot/lts contyains that exact file..you can comment the -s and specify the entire path to that file for debugging purposes..just in case your tftp migth not ohnor the -s parameter

10:18

in dhcpd.conf

10:19

i have to run in a sec

10:20

you can also check to see if tftp is in fact running with...netstat -anp|grep ":69"

older ltspadmin my give you ltsp-1 not ltsp-2 for 2.6.16.1 in /tftpboot/lts

10:25

have an appt...gotta run..

10:25

<mighty-d>

ok, thanks a lot

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<jammcq>

g'morning

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<mighty-d>

it keeps printing dots

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<jernst>

hello, is it possible to make audio input work on the clients ?

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<efra>

Hi everybody

10:52

<jernst>

hi efra

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<vagrantc>

jernst: should check the sound wiki

10:54

!sound

10:54

<ltspbot>

vagrantc: "sound" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Sound

10:59

<jernst>

vagrantc: I already read it thanks, but I don't see anything about sound input (only output), maybe it just works...

11:00

<vagrantc>

probably not.

11:00

remote sound is tricky.

11:01

<jernst>

so it seems but some of my users will need it for skype/ekiga

11:01

<vagrantc>

jernst: run it as a local app.

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<mighty-d>

i'm trying to set a ltsp, im using inetd and slackware 11.. so far i get dhcp address on the thin client, and i can see the tftp request on ethereal but i dont see any response from tftp... can anyone help me?

11:05

<KBON>

does your client display an tftp error or something?

11:06

<jernst>

vagrantc: i'm using muekow on edgy, do you know about some documentation for running local apps ? Another "problem" is that if I chroot to the ltsp chroot and apt-get skype for example, it will pull out all the dependencies

11:06

<vagrantc>

jernst: what do you mean by "pull out" ?

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<vagrantc>

jernst: there isn't much documentation for running local apps with the muekow stuff yet. it's easier if you run all applications locally than just some applications locally.

11:08

<jernst>

I mean downloading and installing the whole gnome desktop when installing ekiga for example

11:08

<vagrantc>

ok, so behaving the way it should :P

11:08

<KBON>

can't you just use the rc.d scripts for those local apps? That's what I do anyway, true, they run as root, but who cares :)

11:09

<vagrantc>

jernst: to run local apps, you need the dependencies satisfied in the chroot.

11:10

<jernst>

vagrantc: ok, and then when I'm on the remote session, how am I supposed tu run the apps drom the chroot ?

11:12

vagrantc: must I tell my user to chroot to /opt/ltsp/i386 and then run the application from there ?

11:12

vagrantc: forget what I just said... it won't be local then ;-)

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<vagrantc>

jernst: you have a number of options, none of which are well documented.

11:16

jernst: you can set up network authentication and network mounting of home directories on the client, and ssh -X back to the client to run the application.

11:17

jernst: you can not log in to the server at all, install a local display manager (gdm/kdm) and run the whole environment locally.

11:18

<jernst>

then it won't be a thin client anymore isn't it ?

11:18

<vagrantc>

jernst: you can set up network authentication and network mounting of home directories on the client, and ssh back to the client with DISPLAY and XAUTHORITY variables properly exported, and run the application.

11:19

those are the 3 basic options.

11:20

jernst: that method only works with fairly powerful thin clients, yes. though the root filesystem is shared and management is shared.

11:20

so it's not as bad as many hard drive installations.

11:21

<jernst>

indeed

11:22

<vagrantc>

be sure to document whatever you work on, so the next person has a head start :)

11:22

<jernst>

vagrantc: yes I have a great deal of difficulties to find accurate documentation

11:22

<vagrantc>

jernst: oh, there might be a /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/workstation mini-howto, that describes how to run all applications locall.

11:23

<jernst>

there is some documentation on the Ubuntu wiki about mukow but there are a lot of broken links (I will fix them)

11:23

<vagrantc>

jernst: you're working with a very new ltsp.

11:24

jernst: the first implementation of it was released only a little over a year ago.

11:24

<jernst>

vagrantc: I'm very new to thinclients and it seems to work quite well (I feel it's a little bit slow, but I guess it will improve over time)

11:24

<vagrantc>

jernst: what kind of hardware for your thin clients?

11:26

<jernst>

I'm currently making some experiments with ltsp in my father's company

11:27

I have some PIII's and PIVs with ~512MB but I was planning to buy a HP Compaq Thin Client t5125 to make tests

11:27

users there are mostly doing office work (openoffice, firefox, evolution)

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<vagrantc>

jernst: what specs are the compaq thin clients?

11:30

jernst: another way to improve speed (at the expense of security) is to configure gdm on your server to do xdmcp, and configure the thin-clients to log in via that.

11:30

<jernst>

VIA Eden 400 MHz, 128MB DDR, 32MB flash

11:31

vagrantc: xdmcp is a lot faster than ssh ?

11:31

<vagrantc>

jernst: way faster.

11:31

<KBON>

are you going to run skype locally on those VIA's?

11:31

<jernst>

KBON: I was hoping to run everything on the server

11:32

vagrantc: and if I choose to keep ssh I guest deactivating compression would make it faster too (at least until the network bandwith is big enough)

jernst: and install gdm on your server, and futz around in /etc/gdm/gdm.conf for enableing xdmcp or maybe it's called remote login

11:36

jernst: or there's also a GUI gdm configuration thing that would probably work.

11:38

<jernst>

vagrantc: gdmsetup

11:38

<vagrantc>

the documentation for using xdmcp from ltsp 4.2 will probably be similar, too.

11:39

<jernst>

vagrantc: I will try it and let you know when I'll get a chance to go there.

11:40

vagrantc: thanks by the way. I'll try to contribute a bit to the documentation

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<KBON>

vagrantc: I'm now running LTSP-4.2 thin clients from my Debian server, works great. However I'd like to run Ubuntu on the clients (fat). I have extracted the root Ubuntu installs. How should I do this? Replace /opt/ltsp-4.2/i386 with the ubuntu-root? I suppose I have to keep some LTSP-files from the "old" root, but which ones?

11:42

<vagrantc>

KBON: the ubuntu ltsp will install in /opt/ltsp/i386, so it shouldn't be a problem.

11:42

<bronze>

kbon thereis a fat client article on the LTSP wiki

11:42

<KBON>

sure but I want to keep my server running Debian

11:42

<vagrantc>

KBON: what version of debian?

11:43

<KBON>

hmm... mixed, a bit of that, a bit of that, but recent, I'm mostly running unstable

11:43

<vagrantc>

KBON: you could just use the ltsp utilities from debian to create debian-based ltsp environments.

11:44

KBON: specifically, ltsp-server package.

11:44

<KBON>

can't I use the ltsp-utilities from ubuntu on debian to create ubuntu-based ltsp environments?

11:44

<vagrantc>

with a lot of hacking, maybe.

11:44

<KBON>

I like debian on servers, but ubuntu on clients, and I like to make things over-complicated :)

11:45

<jernst>

I will start by fixing the dead links in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ThinClientHowto

11:45

<vagrantc>

KBON: it's definitely possible, but will require a fair bit of work, as it assumes you want to install the same distribution that you're installing.

11:45

<KBON>

but thanks for the help, I'll try and hack my way out of it myself

11:46

okay, I'm not affraid of work :-) ... perhaps I can just point the ltsp-utilities to use another root (ubuntu) as "source" distribution

11:46

<vagrantc>

KBON: if you're using the tarballs, though, all you need to do is unpack them in /opt/ltsp and run ltsp-update-kernels and configure dhcp and tftp appropriately.

11:47

<KBON>

which tarballs are you referring to? LTSP or ubuntu?

11:47

<vagrantc>

KBON: use ltsp-server. and it won't "just work" to point them to a different source distribution.

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<pr>

hi all

11:48

<vagrantc>

KBON: you said "I have extracted the root Ubuntu installs.", and i assumed you had downloaded one of ogra's pre-built LTSP-Ubuntu tarballs.

11:48

<pr>

i need help

11:48

how can i safely diconnect the terminal client???

11:48

if there exist a command which is doing this ...

11:48

or something like it??

11:48

<KBON>

no, I couldn't find anything appropriate so I downloaded the ISO image of ubuntu and unpacked the squasfs containing the ubuntu root

11:49

<pr>

please help me

11:49

<vagrantc>

KBON: actually, the simplest option to get ubuntu LTSP on a debian server is to install an ubuntu chroot on your debian server, apt-get install ltsp-server, run ltsp-build-client there, and then copy /opt/ltsp/i386 (ubuntu) to /opt/ltsp/i386 (on the debian server)

11:49

<neuralis>

pr: there is no need to "safely disconnect"

11:50

pr: just have the user log out of the desktop environment if she's logged in, and then unplug the terminal or power it off.

11:50

<KBON>

vagrantc: damnit, ofcourse, that's really easy! Thanks!!

11:50

<vagrantc>

KBON: in fact, you could even do: mount --bind /opt/ltsp/ /path/to/ubuntu/chroot/opt/ltsp

11:51

<pr>

but it happened when i done this and appeared after the login that the panel is already running ...

11:51

<vagrantc>

and then you wouldn't even have to copy it.

11:51

<KBON>

isn't that like making a symlink then?

11:52

<vagrantc>

KBON: a symlink won't work properly in the chroot, probably.

11:52

though it depends on how you set it up.

11:52

<KBON>

good point, didn't knew the mount --bind command, it's usefull

11:55

<vagrantc>

very useful.

11:56

mount --move is scary.

11:57

<KBON>

got to go, dinner calls. Thanks for the nice support!

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<jernst>

good night

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<pr>

pls help me how it is possible to disconnect thin client

12:21

when the user is logging out and it's simply powering down the thin client without pressing disconnect, the workstation is coming back after the login with a strange error like "unable to put desktop panel" because it's locked

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<chupacabra>

a darn spam made its way to the list. dern it.

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<jammcq>

ogra: hey

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<chupacabra>

hey jim, you know about wine at all?

14:53

<jammcq>

well.... I know red goes with beef, and white goes with pasta

14:53

and fish

14:53

what else is there to know?

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<chupacabra>

lol

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<ogra>

jammcq, ho

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<chupacabra>

i inherited a wine box full of apps and know nothing about it.

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<efra>

xDDDD

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<jammcq>

ogra: quite a trip you are on, eh?

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<ogra>

need to give the cable back to RichEd ... so i'll drop out again ...

14:54

<jammcq>

or are yo uback yet

14:54

<chupacabra>

i hate windows.

14:54

<ogra>

seen my blog ?

14:54

<jammcq>

yeah, very nice story

14:54

<ogra>

no, i'll have to hang around here until monday morning 5am

14:55

<jammcq>

wow

14:55

<ogra>

there is more to come ;)

14:55

he coference ended today

14:55

i got assigned the leadership for the development of the project ... ;)

14:55

<jammcq>

ogra: that'll be a great story to tell, next time scotty tells his story of the trout princesses

14:55

<ogra>

hahaha

14:55

<jammcq>

ogra: which project?

14:55

<ogra>

edulinux

14:55

<jammcq>

oh?

14:56

how is that different from edubuntu ?

14:56

<ogra>

an EU sponsored project to establish an remote e-learning platform

14:56

<jammcq>

hmmmmmmm, sounds very cool

14:56

<ogra>

i.e. a totally spoiled moodle ;)

14:57

its a bit beyond my scope for edubuntu, but the EU will pay money for an moodle programmer ... so i can get a cool enhanced moodle for free for edubuntu and they get edubuntu as a base for their server

14:57

<jammcq>

ogra: so, you'll become a moodle programmer?

14:57

<ogra>

nah

14:58

i think we'll contract one ... not sure yet, i have no idea what mark wil say about all this

14:58

<jammcq>

heh

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<ogra>

but i wont have time to do more than delegating in that project, else edubuntu will suffer

14:59

ok, rich needs the cable ... bll

14:59

err

14:59

bbl

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<cliebow>

jammcq: no if there is anything weird iin Slack 11 re tftp?

15:22

jammcq:id bet his prob is next-server

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<cliebow>

daniq:Hey!!

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<daniQ>

hello

15:40

i'm having printer issues on the ubuntu side

15:43

cliebow - on the microcrap side Bill has to unplug and replug the printer cable in to get it to work...

15:45

<cliebow>

i odnt know of any reason.

15:45

perhaps googling by mthe model of printer may help

15:50

so probs on both sides?

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<cliebow>

ogra:you hiring?

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<knitoperu>

Hi Evribody!

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<knitoperu>

Ihave an k12ltsp server instaled and working. I have read about "freenx" and I know that it's included in k12ltsp...

16:19

I've read that it's an excellent choice, that is faster than anything and things like that

16:21

has somebody experience with freenx? it's so wonderfull like I've read?

16:21

It's a differrent thing from ltsp? an alternative? or a complement?

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<daniQ>

cliebow - i can't get "kingdom of loathing" to work on the ubuntu side either and it's a super fun game...

16:28

<cliebow>

knito: i use freenx all the time..it is Awesome

16:28

daniq:it wont compile?

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<daniQ>

cliebow - it must have been a quirk...it just worked....huh...the game not the printer

16:30

<cliebow>

is that web based game?

16:31

knitoperu: i use freenx all the time..it is Awesome

16:32

<daniQ>

cliebow - yes and it rocks...

16:32

<cliebow>

daniQ:sometinme we have to bite the bullet and upgrade to edgy..it means the modem wont work without recompiling the driver

16:33

<daniQ>

cliebow - the printer is my main annoyance...it prints when i reboot...printing something i had tried to print days earlier

16:34

<cliebow>

hmm, cups must be dying or somethjing?

16:34

you can use lpq -aa to see what is in the printqueue

16:34

you can use lpq -a to see what is in the printqueue

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<daniQ>

cliebow - turlough has a REALLY bad haircut and looks silly.....(make sure to pass it on to leigh)

16:36

cliebow - i just erased print que stuff...i had checked it earlier and it didn't show any documents...

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<cliebow>

wht model printer?

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<daniQ>

cliebow - lexmark Z22

16:38

cliebow - it's kinda old...

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<cliebow>

perhaps the drivers are flaky..ill google a litle

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<daniQ>

thanks

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<ogra>

vagrantc, !

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<vagrantc>

ogra: hi!

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* vagrantc is setting up an IP phone.

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<ogra>

cool

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* ogra is sitting in poland

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* cliebow_ cliebow waves to ogra

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* ogra waves back

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* vagrantc is worried firewalling is getting in the way

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<vagrantc>

dial tone!

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* vagrantc dances

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<ogra>

:)

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<cliebow_>

Cool

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<edgarin>

Hi to all

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how are all people?

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<ball>

hello edgarin

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<edgarin>

hello ball where are you from?

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<ball>

I'm from Britain, but I live in the U.S.

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<edgarin>

ohh cool!

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ball, Im from Guatemala city

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<ball>

Is it nice there?

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<edgarin>

ltsp?

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<ball>

:-)

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<edgarin>

ball, you are talking about the popularity of ltsp in Guatemala?

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<ball>

I wasn't, but that's a good on-topic question.

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<edgarin>

ok

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The popularity of LTSP in Guatemala is very little

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<ball>

Do you use it?

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<edgarin>

because, not exist a popularity of free software

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ball, yeahh of course

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I use LTSP since the 2005 year

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excuseme for my english but i'm learning english my language natal is the spaish