Carnival in Trinidad and Tobago. The woman on the lower left is incredibly beautiful. She also has African features and dark skin.

The woman next to her actually looks Asian. Many of the guys appear Amerindian, but a friend of mine who lives in Trinidad and Tobago (T &T) told me that they are mixed with East Indian, Black and White. Strange. How do you mix those three and come up with an Amerindian look?

How could any White man look at that Black woman and not think she is beautiful? You know, growing up White, we were all socialized to think that all Black women are ugly. The socialization continues into adulthood. A lot of us never bought it, but it kind of sinks in anyway.

I suspect that this woman may be mixed race? Some of the most beautiful Black women of all are fairly mixed. We have some Black women around here who look like this woman. A couple of them are part Black, part White and part Indian, creole from Arkansas. One of them also has Filipino. Her sister won a beauty contest here in the Central Valley. She’s a knockout!

Creoles from Louisiana and Arkansas do have more White in them than other Blacks. I’ve known a few of them and they take great pride in this. It’s kind of funny actually. They think they are better than other Blacks because they have more White in them. Creoles also associate with Whites a lot, and often seem to get along with them pretty well. One Creole woman I know refers to other Blacks as “niggers,” but it’s like she’s not one herself. She’s Creole! She’s better! It’s funny.

The Trinidadians are said to be some of the most mixed race people on Earth. Black Trinidadians are 45% Black, 25% White, 25% East Indian and the other 5% is Asian and Amerindian.

There are two schools of thought about mixed race people. The White nationalists say that mixed race people are automatically ugly mutts. There is another group who thinks they often look better than the purer races. I suppose it’s possible to get the worst physical qualities of both races. The Whites used to say that about the “half-breed” Indian-White mixes in the Old West – they had the worst qualities of the White man and the Red man.

But just as often or maybe more often, mixed race people seem to be better looking than purer single race people. Let’s face it, the purer races have their beauties, but they also have harsh features in the extreme.

With Whites, they can look like Neandertals at the extreme. Asian men often say they find White women to be too masculine looking. I never thought of it before, but when I started looking, lo and behold! Our women are somewhat masculine looking, especially as compared to Asian women, who are ultra-feminine.

Pure Asians can have high cheek bones and almost look like aliens.

Pure Blacks can be prothagnous.

On and on.

But when you mix well, you often tone down the harsher qualities that you find in the purer folks and it seems, paradoxically, that they more subtle qualities of beauty are heightened. I don’t know how that works.

Sort of like a recipe, I guess, like of this, little of that, fantastic. Too much of this, too much of that, overwhelming.

Animal and plant breeders of ten breed all sorts of strains together to get the ultimate strain of this or that.

I do tend to think people who are closer towards the human mean are more attractive, and as they get more racially extreme, the less attractive. Not in any case of course, just in general. There are of course ugly mixed race people and beautiful pure race(in the census sense) people.

I think 90% of the reason that Brazil, Columbia and Venezuela do well is Southern Europeans are hot and a trend towards exoticism though. Since Southern Europeans are hot anyway, it’s kind of hard to say it’s a random sample. I definitely think that race mixing might yield benefits in a very small degree to which alleles which are rare in one population or another means that natural selection or random variation has more to work with in some mixed populations, in the long term but I’m very skeptical of the greater attractiveness of first generation crossings.

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Anyway, as to the mixed=beautiful thing: Are Central Asians really that hot (compared to Iranians and Chinese)? Or Cape Coloured South Africans?

Also, if average features are hot, then why aren’t the admittedly generalized, but robust Australian Aborigines seen as hot?

“I think 90% of the reason that Brazil, Columbia and Venezuela do well is Southern Europeans are hot and a trend towards exoticism though. Since Southern Europeans are hot anyway, it’s kind of hard to say it’s a random sample.”

Then why do the South American women out compete the purer Southern European women at these beauty contests?

“I definitely think that race mixing might yield benefits in a very small degree to which alleles which are rare in one population or another means that natural selection or random variation has more to work with in some mixed populations, in the long term but I’m very skeptical of the greater attractiveness of first generation crossings.”

Evidence from both the US and Britain has found that first generation mixed people are more attractive than those of one race.

I don’t think southern European women are all that hot. There are hot women there, but I didn’t think I saw a huge number of great beauties in Italy or Spain, nor Argentina. Most the women were pretty average looking, average as compared with most other countries. Brazil however was bursting at the seam with hotties.

I never understood this craze about Brazilian women. Yes there are many attractive women there. One Indian friend of mine who has been to Brazil said a lot of them look like Indian chicks except that they have much better physiques.
But I think there would be more attractive women per capita in Scandinavia or Eastern Europe. In India, Iranian/Persian women are the most popular and admired for their beauty. A lot of the stars in Bollywood have Persian/ Afghan blood somewhere. There are many attractive women in India but they make just a tiny part of the Indian female population.

Besides as far as beauty contests are concerned, I really doubt that they truly measure beauty, as I have seen far better looking women walking on the streets than many of the contestants of beauty contests.

Actually Trinidad has some Chinese as well as Jamaica and have been there for well over hundred years, just like the East Indians. So, the woman on the right may have Chinese blood. Also, you got to remember that the East Indians in the Caribbean are of low caste, who tend to have substantial Austro-Asiatic (these are people who all the East and South East Asians can trace their ancestry back to as well) in their DNA hence mixing whites, blacks and East Indians and you can sometimes come with people that look a tad Amerindian.

I am not sure if the Indians from the Caribbean are predominantly of lower caste origin. V.S. Naipaul was a Brahmin and by his writings you get the feeling that there was a large upper caste population in Guyana. Besides except a sizable minority, most lower caste Indians do not look much like South East Asians. Most lower caste people look like Australian aboriginals or look Negroid. Indeed I know a lot of upper caste people who though predominantly Caucasoid in looks display some East Asian features.
Udita Goshwami for example is a pure Brahmin but she has a East Asian look fused into her predominantly Caucasian look.

Well, people of any colour can be really beautiful , whether they are mixed or otherwise. If the parents are good looking there is a good chance the kids will be too, and of the parents aren’t, the kids will likely not be very good looking. The white supremacists are idiots and a good many of them are not pure whites either (if they go for a DNA test).

There is an East Indian (man) and Chinese (woman) couple who were both British raised but now live in India and they have the two most cutest kids you will see. One is is 8 and the other is around 4. I have seen a lot of kids of all races in flesh or on screen and very few will match them for cuteness. Who knows how they will look when they are grown up, but for now they look extremely beautiful children. So, what I am saying is that beauty really does come in all colours.

Thing is, I’ve seen many cases where an ugly black and an ugly white manage to produce a beautiful offspring. I don’t know what Alicia Keyes dad looks like, I can’t find a pic of him online(his name is Craig Cook), but her mom is nothing much to look at, yet the daughter is incredibly hot. If the mom had got together with a white man equal to her on the attractiveness scale, it’s unlikely Alicia would be as pretty as she is.

On a related subject, did you know the Nazis considered pure Gypsies more admirable than mixed race Gypsies, e.g. Gyp/Deutcsch hybrids
and others? They seemed to have reserved their worst contempt for “Jenische” i.e. Nordics who had
for generations, and for obscure reasons, adapted
a wandering, imitative Gypsy lifestyle.

Agree about Alicia Keys. I have always found her one for the most beautiful famous black women, much more attractive (in my opinion) than Halle Berry. Keys has the beauty but also the girl next door type look about her – a combination that is really attractive.

But I hate it when she puts too much powder on and makes herself really pale for some events. Her natural brown colour suits her much better.

I’m all for race mixing. There’s a reason Brazil, Columbia and Venezuela have a disproportionate number of models and beauty contest winners.

Not buying it. Since multiracial people are a minority and most of the multiracial people we see are prominent and attractive people, then we subconsciously come to associate attractiveness with racial mixture.

For every Halle Berry (whom I don’t even regard as that attractive), you have a Joakim Noah (for those of you who don’t follow the NBA, look him up).

I’ve also seen many black and Hispanic women, and those women come from mixed race groups. Believe me, while there certainly are attractive black and Hispanic women, they definitely don’t take the cake when it comes to good looks.

I’ve always despised this whole notion of biracial beauty.

For one, it’s just not true.

Also, it’s an insult to pure white guys like me. When people celebrate the multiracial future of this nation, in many ways they’re celebrating the fact that guys like me won’t be around any longer. Praising multiracialism and diversity are euphemistic ways of saying that “we need fewer whites.”

That so many whites buy into this amazes me.

Our women are somewhat masculine looking, especially as compared to Asian women, who are ultra-feminine.

However, I can see where you get that idea. It has to do with this tomboy, masculine attitude among white women that goes all the way back to Scout Finch, but became especially pervasive following women’s liberation.

I knew this very mouthy, tomboyish girl in high school.

Robert, to the extent that white women are masculine, it has everything to do with behavior, and nothing to do with looks.

P.S. Some of this bias also has to do with the fact that I prefer black women such as Oluchi Onweagba over Lisa Bonet.

I think Halle Berry is attractive, but I’m not crazy about her either. Anyway, the point of that study I posted from the BBC PROVES that most people find mixed races more attractive. They samples a bunch of faces of black, white and mixed race and then asked people to rate them. They rated the mixed people as on average more attractive than the blacks or whites. It sounds like a scientifically sound methodology.

I know that there’s this perception that multiracial people are more attractive, but that doesn’t make it so. Again, since multiracial people in western nations are a minority, whenever you do see an attractive multiracial people, you jump to conclusions that most of them are.

There are many ugly people of mixed heritage. If people surveyed were shown more photos of those mixed race people, then I’m guessing their answers would be different.

Dienekes and Razib Khan at GNXP have critiqued the methodology somewhat. It’s probably better to look at dienekes.blogspot.com and http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/04/daily-data-dump-10/ if you are more interested, rather than me try and explain their criticisms. I have doubts about how sound it is. I basically agree that “scientists sometimes know what findings are congenial to the Zeitgeist, and will keep looking until they find them”.

“Creoles from Louisiana and Arkansas do have more White in them than other Blacks. I’ve known a few of them and they take great pride in this. It’s kind of funny actually. They think they are better than other Blacks because they have more White in them. Creoles also associate with Whites a lot, and often seem to get along with them pretty well. One Creole woman I know refers to other Blacks as “niggers,” but it’s like she’s not one herself. She’s Creole! She’s better! It’s funny.”

I have heard people claim that the Louisiana Creoles are quite colorist or racist towards those darker than themselves. I’m not certain about the veracity of these reports, however. They are one of the few groups in the country that has tried to maintain an identity outside of the black-white racial dichotomy, and that has certainly earned them enemies among blacks and whites who favor polarized race relations.

I guess an easy way to delegitimize the group and it’s rich culture is to invoke the One Drop Rule and frame them as blacks who discriminate against other blacks. Such an argument appears liberal on its face, but no doubt has an underlying reactionary motivation in some cases.

Anything that stirs up the gene pool–even within races and ethnicities–tends to have salutary effects. At one time, Americans of pure Anglo-Saxon ancestry were more robust and better looking than pure Anglo Saxons from the British Isles. The reason? The British had been marrying and inbreeding within the same few square miles for centuries, whereas Americans of similar ancestry were breeding with people they would have never even encountered had their ancestors remained in England.

For similar reasons, Israelis are much better looking than American or other diaspora Jews, because widely separated people of the same basic ethnicity managed to finally meet and mate.

Robert,
AS you probably know, a statistic oft-qouted by WNs is that each year there are *zero* rapes of black women by white men, whilst black men rape tens of thousands of white women.
This statistic holds for year after year, so its likely that no black woman is raped by a white man for literally decades on end! – which is truly remarkable since there are at least 50 million men of the sexual age in the USA, who must as a matter of fact have many thousands of ‘opportunities’ to rape black women.
I know I will get excoriated for this (not least by the ‘feminist’ cunts you rightly hate), but surely this points to something very deep and instinctive – namely on the most primal level white men find something repugnant about the hought of balck women as sexual partners.

Actually that statistic is not true. This has been a rallying cry for WNs, but that particular study was based on a crime SURVEY using a small sampling size. Other years have indicated numbers in the 4 figures of white men that rape black women. I mean come on, in a country of 300 million do you SERIOUSLY believe that zero black women were raped by a white man? That’s a pretty extreme claim.

East Asian women look more feminine because the mongoloid race is more neotenized and more developed than any other race. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongoloid_race#Features
Pure negro women have coarse features and must appear ugly to anyone, even black men prefer white women.

Oh yeah, they “must” appear ugly to everyone because clearly you think so. And your aesthetic preferences that are the product of western upbringing are clearly some sort of universal law, correct?

Black men don’t prefer white women. That’s a WN hysteria(“The niggers all want to rape our wives and daughters!!”). If you want to know what black men prefer, then look at lifestyle magazines marketed to black men, such as King magazine which is like the black version of Maxim. Or who black men put in their music videos. They know better than anyone what black men’s preferences are. You won’t see many white women there. What you will see is usually caramel-complexioned voluptuous black women with long hair and huge asses. For example: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3111/2900417265_69a95e0c51.jpg

I’d say most black men don’t prefer dark women, but they don’t prefer white women either. I hate when WNs keep going on and on about that myth. I’m sick of your conjectures.

That Agbani Darego is hot! Whoa dude. I think there is something wrong with a lot of these people. They’ve been brainwashed. We Whites get socialized early to think Black = ugly. The brainwashing starts quick and continues into adulthood. It never worked that great on me, but it worked somewhat.

There still a tendency of mine to look at a woman and think, “Ugh, Black,” at first. Definitely, if they are really dark, you think, “Ugh, really dark! No thanks.” I think mostly that means I’m not into Black women these days. I’ve supposedly sworn off them. But recently I started looking at them in a new light.

You see some of these really dark women and you think, “Ugh, no, forget it,” but then you get past that and really look closely at their faces, and some of these very dark women are extremely beautiful! It’s just that the darkness kind of obscures the beauty and makes you overlook it at first.

I don’t think there’s anything inherently ugly about dark skin, or even really dark skin. When we were growing up on the beach, we were all trying to get really dark. We hated pale White chicks and said they were really ugly. LOL. None of us got all that dark really, but those surfer chicks could get awfully brown.

The whole notion that there is anything scientific, universal or genetic about what men find beautiful is a little weird. Females are beautiful to men, particularly the ones that they grew up with and are exposed to, I’m sure.

There’s this notion that even Black men find Black women abhorrent and can hardly wait to get their hands on a White woman.

I’m sure you could go to Africa and find a lot of groups with minimal exposure to Whites. They’ve grown up with and only seen in real life Black women. I highly doubt these guys find their own chicks repulsive. They probably think some are really hot, some are average and some are homely. I bet you could find the hottest women in those villages and take pics of them and those guys would be going nuts over them.

Also, I have seen some internet forums like for porn and hookers. Some of the porn forums are for Black porn stars. They’re chock filled with Black guys who go apeshit over these Black female porn stars. That’s who buys that Black porn product, you know, Black guys.

On the hooker forums, there’s sections on Africa, and there are some US Black guys with $ who go there and try to pick up women. In their posts, they say, “Well, you know, I really love Black women, which is why I go to Africa.” Then there are all these enthusiastic replies from other Black guys.

I think you are on to it, Robert. I think a lot of non-Blacks simply don’t SEE us. They look, but it’s as if their brains fill in the blanks for them and tell them what they are seeing. They don’t see what is actually in front of them, it seems.

There are so many times that I have heard Whites swear that one Black person was actually some other. I would be amazed, because I couldn’t see any resemblance.

The Igbo people of Nigeria are interesting. They tend to have lighter skin and look virtually indistinguishable from African-Americans. Most Africans are easily distinguishable from African-Americans. Not sure why the Igbos look so different from other Nigerians.

Something else I just stumbled across that I thought was interesting to add in this thread: a black African child in Sudan with bright green eyes. It looks very weird to me. I wonder how that happened and how common this is.

Those Blacks in that region – Darfur – they live in a place called the Sahel. A lot of the people around there are up to 50% Caucasoid. The Caucasoid is often ancient Caucasian though, from 40-45,000 YBP in the Middle East when the Caucasians first left Africa and were being created.

Also, about 15-20,000 YBP, ancient Caucasians from Europe (maybe looked like Arabs) invaded North Africa and pushed the Blacks down into the Sahel. Previous, all North Africa was pretty much Black except for Berbers. That also put a lot of Caucasoid genes in those Blacks.

When I was doing my race chart for North Africa, a couple of times I ended up with Whites and Blacks in some little microrace. I think I had Nubians and Algerians, Berbers and Beja. I had to break my rules and split them up because it seemed too stupid to have these little microraces made up both Blacks and Caucasians. Also I had to throw them into either Caucasians or Africans, one or the other.

Bottom line is that Blacks in that region are very heavily mixed with Caucasian, whether they appear that way or not.

There is a small minority of white men primarily attracted to black women – fetishists is the right word to describe them, a small segregated minority bound together by a particular sexual preferrence.
Mainly it’s a ‘big -butt’ obsession.It’s the big-butts that turn them on to black women in the first place.A very ancient and primal thing (cf the ‘Willenberg Venus’).Magazines like ‘Black Tail’ cater to this specialist market.
The cartoonist Robert Crumb seems to have been in the grip of this fetish, I don’t know about a certain other unconventional, free-wheeling Robert.

“Black Trinidadians are 45% Black, 25% White, 25% East Indian and the other 5% is Asian and Amerindian.”

I am not surprised about the 25% Asian Indian genes in black. In Guyana and Trinidad and Tobago, both tiny populations which are roughly half black and half East Indian (with tiny percentages of Whites, Arabs, East Asians and Native Americans) there is extreme segregation where you have villages (even those close to each other) which are either 100% Asian Indian or 100% African. Guyana has two political parties one for the blacks other for the Indians. They hardly mix. Besides half Indian-half Black children are completely rejected by the East Indians but openly accepted and raised by blacks. Thus East Indian genes have been regularly flowing into the African population but black genes never flowed into the East Indian population. It is a type of the ‘one drop’ rule. It is not impossible for the East Indians to have absorbed White, other Asian and Native American genes as they are probably more open to accepting half castes with these groups as their own.
But what is surprising is that East Indians from the Caribbean are looked down upon by the rest of the Indian Diaspora because it is believe that they have mixed with blacks. Nobel prize winner Paul Naipaul’s brother Shiva Naipaul faced this when he came across a Guajarati Indian trader family in Africa who proclaimed proudly that unlike the Indians of the Caribbean, they never mixed with black people.
And yes I agree that woman at the bottom left is quite attractive.

I am sorry it is not Paul Naipaul in my my earlier post but V.S. Naipaul.
The sentence should be-
Nobel prize winner V.S. Naipaul’s brother Shiva Naipaul faced this when he came across a Guajarati Indian trader family in Africa who proclaimed proudly that unlike the Indians of the Caribbean, they never mixed with black people

@freud your just talking out your but i guess you dont know the americas history because the white men raped blacks and indian women from north and south america and the carribean i am of mixed race my father white mother black from trini he like that black have body breast, butts hips full lips my face looks white green/gray eyes, small nose,thin lips, butt have black butt and white women tits the white i date they can’t believe i have black in me mixing is great it made me i say sex every race and make babies

Not all mixed-race pairings in Colonial America were rapes.
Not all were white man/black woman, white man/amerindian woman either. Some pairings in my family tree were amerindian man/white woman and black man/white woman!