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itwbennett writes "One of the new features that both Sony and Microsoft touted for their next-gen gaming consoles was easy sharing of gameplay videos. Peter Smith has put sharing to the test on both consoles, and (spoiler alert), found that both have plenty of room for improvement. There are pros and cons to each, but ultimately, which console does sharing best comes down to personal preference: 'I really hate that the Playstation 4 is limited to sharing on Facebook and I really like that the Xbox One saves to my Skydrive,' says Smith. 'But I hate having to wait for that upload to happen before I can go back to gaming.'"

Uhhh..somebody that likes having actual control of their files instead of handing everything over to FB maybe?

As for TFA the answer is....they BOTH SUCK, you should buy a PC instead. You can get a damned nice PC cheaper than ever, controllers? hundreds to pick from. Games? There is easily a dozen different places you can buy them and thanks to actual competition (a free market instead of a monopoly? What a concept!) prices have never been better and you can find sales all the time.

The more I hear about PS 4 and xBox One -- the more I realize my next gaming platform is going to be a computer.

Every other day I have to fix the finicky networking on the xBox, and every month verify that it's "really me".

Of course every week now I've got a new blog to quit using because they want me to verify by FaceBook. I hate trolls as much as the next person, but I'd rather anonymous jerks than everyone installing that trojan horse POS, that has nothing better to do than find new ways to insert itself

Look at the AMD quads and hexas, if you want the biggest bang for the buck ATM they are an incredible value. Go look on Tiger and you can get a barebones starting at just $189 [tigerdirect.com] and I've built a few of those and I can tell ya....its a monster. You pair that with a nice HD77xx or HD78xx? You got a system that games like mad, does transcoding, editing, hell anything you want. you really can't beat the price either.

As far as FB? make you a bullshit FB account, pretty much all you can do anymore if you want to

As for TFA the answer is....they BOTH SUCK, you should buy a PC instead. You can get a damned nice PC cheaper than ever, controllers? hundreds to pick from. Games? There is easily a dozen different places you can buy them and thanks to actual competition (a free market instead of a monopoly? What a concept!) prices have never been better and you can find sales all the time.

Cost? Lots of PC games cost $60. Oh look, same as console games! (This only happened the past couple of years).

I almost wonder if a PC ends up being cheaper in the long run. You can get a lot of games on sale for really cheap now, while buying for a console is still going to run you 60 dollars, even if the game is old, the price will hardly drop, while you can grab best of the year games at the end of the year for 7 - 15 dollars on the PC. If you couple this with free to play games that are done well where you are having fun without spending any extra in them, you have way, way more gaming available to you for way l

They solved that quite some time ago with the PS3...at least if you have PSN+. With the PS4 it's all backgrounded.

I turn my console on about once a month. Every time... "we want to update this if you want to play your games *at all*"

Use it more often.

Oh look my PC will update itself and still let me play.

Your PC might, but the games that need updating won't...you'll have to wait till the update finishes....just like you do on consoles. So you'll be reading Slashdot while Pando-whatever updates your MMO client.

Not if you use Steam, my games are updated in the background, it even updates my mods when a new version comes out, couldn't be simpler.

It doesn't change the fact that the first year of a console's life is shit. Sorry i didn't think to save the link but there was an article just the other day showing that the best games for a system? Usually come late year 2 and early year 3. Just because its X86 isn't gonna change that as its still using a funky shared memory model and like with every launch its more abo

It doesn't change the fact that the first year of a console's life is shit.

For game releases I would agree, mostly, but early model hardware hasn't been affected by any cost-reduction measures, a la removal of the link and expansion ports in the PSone, the lack of a hard drive bay in the PS2 slim, and the various things that Slim and Super-slim PS3's don't have that the Deluxe Fat PS3's do, in the name of getting the cost down.

Hmmm. Two of my favorite posters, Hillman and Martian... obviously, I would like to honor you both with a nod from this post, rather than a mod from anonymity, and somehow still come out looking incredible myself. Magnanimouselfish, if you will. You're both right, and in this case 'right' is not mutually exclusive. The probability that a man with a sub-genius intellect could be aware of this is on the order of nil.

No, it's obviously consoles. PC gamers don't actually play games, they just play benchmarks for bragging points on their e-peens. Besides, after spending so much on their hardware they don't have money for games, that's why PC gamers in Europe and Asia are such pirates, and why PC GAmers in America are the "Only buy $5.00 games at steam sales" sorts of guys.

And if they do play a game it's just "one" game that they play over and over and over to the exclusion of everything else. Whether it be Starcraft, L

I'm wrong...in regards to YOU, that doesn't mean that there aren't Filthy PC Gamer Bourgeoisie that fulfill the stereotypes I mentioned.

You may buy games at full price, but many of the Filthy Gabe Newell Worshipping PC Gamer Bourgeoisie here on Slashdot brag of paying no more than $5 per game... and then wonder why the PC version of cross-platform games is an afterthought.

I've not met many of the "Filthy Gabe Newell Worshipping PC Gamer Bourgeoisie" here on Slashdot. The typical stereotype is open source, Linux and anti DRM. For most of Steam's existence, it's been the antithesis of all three of these things.

The reason lots of people are supporting Steam here, as I see it (and quite a lot are, despite the DRM), is that locking down hardware is bad for the consumer, always. Paying full price for the games is not the issue.

I couldn't agree more. I don't want a game console to anything else than play games. Period. To me, when xbox started the 'entertainment' features with HULU and Netflix, it seemed most of my friends list was watching some movie. Nobody is going to stop a movie to play a game. So at that point xbox went from being a game console to another tivo. And six seats? wow who wants to peer into that tiny screen?

I remember when the previous gen released all my friends were extremely excited about picking up the xbox 360. This time around none of us actually gives a fuck. We might/probably pick one or the other once a few good games come out (maybe late next year) but definitely in no rush. It seems they are really pushing all this other shit when all I want are good fucking games. But neither console has even one game that is close to appealing...

Agreed. If you really care about sharing gameplay videos, you're probably going to invest in a HD PVR [amazon.com] so you can control your own content, edit/annotate/narrate and upload wherever you want.

Exactly that sharing feature is one of those big touted however, I really don't care type of feature.

Now I see two big problems with both the PS 4 and XBox One.

Problem 1: Subscription for more services. Yes it isn't too much, however I really don't want want an other bill to pay for, and if times get tough, games will be the first to go. the PS 4 is a bit better then XBox One is. At least I can still watch Netflix without paying Sony extra fees.

I sure hope someone does, until they get the message. The design is awful. It's a waste of space and makes browsing the comments--the main attraction here (for me)--a major pain in the ass. Make a redesign that puts the focus where it belongs.

Can you completely disable/ignore content shared by other users if you're playing against them online?

Yes, nothing shows up during actual gameplay.

You misinterpreted the question. If I don't want any video of my gameplay shared, but I'm playing against some kid who records and shares his uber-mad-leet skillz all the time, does his game not record the gameplay featuring me because of my preferences? I believe I'm SOL in that case and the footage of me gets shared against my wishes.

So now that the current generation can't make the same technological jump that the previous one did (owing to the fact that it'd probably bankrupt them this time round), the "important" stuff is secondary done-in-software fluff like sharing?

Here's me thinking "filesharing on a game console?" and then it's about posting your gaming "achievements" on a "social network". To me, gaming with friends means getting together with friends and playing games. Now get off my LAN.

PSX had lots of "goods" for developers; at a little 'developer studio' along a backstreet in Shinjuku I saw and talked about using PSX with Flash (MX) and other code. And I saw lots of very awesome video renders.

To quote, from the PS4 section: "When you tap the button your game is paused and the Share screen opens. Here you'll have 3 options: "Upload video clip," "Upload screenshot," and "Broadcast gameplay." The latter starts Twitch streaming, which the Xbox One doesn't yet support, so I won't cover it today."

So there's a feature on the PS4 to allow a form of sharing the XBOne doesn't have yet, so its not included in the line-up? How's that a fair comparison? People who want to share to Twitch should surely know that the PS4 already lets them do that *right now* and that should be included in the comparison, should it not?

The narrative is that they're both pretty much equivalent choices. Never mind the Xbox One's higher price tag (a good Kinect title is bound to come out some day!) or its much weaker specs (here they mention that no one can even see 1080p anyways. Or even better, a comparison to the PS3's shining later in its life despite its weaker GPU, despite that being because the PS3 and 360 had completely different architectures, while the PS4 and XBOne are extremely similar)

I don't understand why people would want to watch other peoples mediocre gaming skills."Look at me as a play a level in some generic shooter". zzzzThere are a few exceptions where I want to see the graphics, maybe to checkout the gameplay or a hint/guide/learn from someone. But let's face it 99% of the gameplay videos out there are just filling hard drives with useless pixels.

And I don't get what makes people think you would want to watch them do something as ordinary as playing a game?

Actually the one of the guys from Penny Arcade plays at times, and while he's not very good he is interesting to listen too as it sometimes turns into a running Q&A about Penny Arcade which can be very interesting.

Yeah 90% of streams are probably boring as hell to watch. But it opens up a lot of creative opportunity for people and I wouldn't dismiss it as worthless just because it follows Sturgeon's Law like everything else.

I've only used the Xbox One, but when you record something (generally by just saying "Xbox record that" after something cool happens) it's automatically shared with your friends in a constantly updating "Friends clips" playlist. Being able to turn on your console when you get home from work and watch a highlights-reel of all the funny/weird/awesome stuff your friends thought was worth recording is a feature which is difficult to overrate.

I'm sorry but I will not buy another MS box that wants to charge me for access to services they don't even provide like watching Netflix or Hulu. I've paid enough MS taxes over the years as one time expenses, buying a computer, android phone, etc... With the PS removal of "Other OS" and the Wii forcefully removing dvd playback at a hardware level, I hope the steam box drives them both under. Till then steam gets preferred status followed by wii and games that play on an un-updated PS3 followed b

I really agree that Xbox360 should not charge for using streaming clients. Unfortunately, they seem to be the best clients for those services. Less skipping and lagging. Maybe its more memory to play with or a faster processor, but I prefer to watch on 360. And I dont want to prefer that because I dont want to pay again. And again. And again. Forever. Its intolerable! I need to figure out how much money a used 360 will bring. Maybe a roku3 will be just as good and I can put the money to

I'm not sure where you're getting that from. The Wii didn't remove DVD playback "at a hardware level." Nintendo just didn't pay the licensing fees necessary for DVD playback in order to reduce the cost of the system, so they can't legally let you play DVDs on the Wii. If for some reason you don't have any other devices that can play DVDs, you can hack the Wii and install homebrew software that will play DVDs on it.

The PS4 can share to twitch.tv, which is the equivalent of uploading a video clip to the "Sky drive", except the upload is done in real time. Also, I suspect Youtube opened up their live streaming feature because of the release of the consoles (especially PS4); now that everyone can share their gameplay, they want to be a viable option.

Occasionally I notice in my Facebook feed that an acquaintance has unlocked a level in some inane IOS game.
I wonder if anyone cares to read or even deliver such updates?
It seems that MS and Sony think that it would be good, but it sure doesn't make my life better.

Nintendo of Japan President Satoru Iwata: "The primary use of Twitter and Facebook is not gaming, but a means of communication. Although I don't use either of them, if I did, I imagine I'd use it to talk about my outings and vacations to people who aren't exactly video game enthusiasts. I don't think my former classmates would care to hear about my new Mario Kart record and so on."

Actually I think it's quite fitting, now rather than reading drivel from people about how they're new baby shat itself again or how someone broke down at some traffic lights - people whom I only begrudgingly accepted their friend requests so I don't have to answer that awkward "Why did you ignore my friends request on Facebook" if I ever bump into them in real life because I'm averse to crushing their souls by being honest and saying "Because you're really actually quite a boring, annoying, pointless person

I didn't say anything about disgusting babies, you seem to be projecting your own view or something there, I just said I really don't give a shit if someone's baby has shat itself, it's uninteresting and I just don't care, and judging by the clear lack of response to such posts, I guess neither does anyone else.

As for bumping into people from my past whom I only begrudgingly add then yes you're absolutely right, it doesn't happen too often. I always figured this was normal given that I live amongst a popula

Personally I'd be more amenable to the console that shares the least, or at least has switches that control its behaviour. I would be more impressed by a console which strikes a good balance between privacy and the ability to share and allows users to adjust it further one way or the other as they see fit. And if someone doesn't want to Tweet, Like, live cast or whatever then there should be a simple checkbox in the settings which removes all that shit from the UI.

Personally I'd be more amenable to the console that shares the least, or at least has switches that control its behaviour. I would be more impressed by a console which strikes a good balance between privacy and the ability to share and allows users to adjust it further one way or the other as they see fit. And if someone doesn't want to Tweet, Like, live cast or whatever then there should be a simple checkbox in the settings which removes all that shit from the UI.

Exactly.

When I read the headline, my first thought was that they were obscurely talking about which console invades your privacy more (i.e., shares 'better')...disappointing to read the summary and realize they're talking about a fringe feature that only self-obsessed little wankers would care about.

>>> 'I really hate that the Playstation 4 is limited to sharing on Facebook and I really like that the Xbox One saves to my Skydrive,

Translated:I believe you are all stupid enough to not spot the obvious inconsistency in my claiming to really hate one proprietary locked down site but loving another. I also have a vested interest in only promoting and saying good things about Microsoft products.

Well that proves the article wrong in stating you can only share to Facebook. In fact you can share to an "Online Service" see here [playstation.com] although at the moment (it is coming) you can't upload to Youtube. Still I do agree with the first poster that games are more important and for those who need to share they have to realize that this feature is only available if the game actually permits it.

In the interim I will stick with my PS3 since I am not interested in the initial games for the PS4. Of course later on

They only disabled streaming for PlayRoom, which is what was used to do that video. For those who don't know, PlayRoom is an Augmented Reality thingy that shows off the features of the PS4 Camera and DS4. It does so in a sort of EyePet style fashion, so you can see the room behind the little robots or whatever.

There was one couple who used the Playroom to create a sort of Talk Show that became a bit popular.

You're not alone. This beta site is much, much worse than any of the previous redesigns that have been forced upon us over the years. While they made the site less-enjoyable and harder to use, they at least maintained some shred of what makes Slashdot worth visiting. The beta site loses all of it. It is by far the worst redesign I have seen of any website, ever.

Indeed, we all must speak up about this whenever and wherever we can. I don't think anyone who hasn't been forced into using the beta site yet knows

Slashdot now looks like an old Blogger page. I hate blogger pages, they're last decade thing. If Beta becomes all I can have, I'm leaving slashdot. They weren't getting anything from me anyway, so I guess it's one less connection to their crappy servers anyway.

It's a weak console hardware-wise, but like the original Wii it will do good due to exclusive content. I still play Wii Sports, Super Mario Galaxy, and Super Mario Bros Wii.... Some of the best games ever were for crappy underpowered gaming consoles, but the game developers had to write a compelling game...not rely on great graphics and sound. There are some kick ass games nowadays but games like Donkey Kong, Ms. Pac Man, Asteroids, Karateka, Ultima I-IV, Final Fantasy, Bard's Tale, Eye of the Beholder,