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Re: Gaara Runs the Gauntlet

@ juUnior

Originally Posted by naruto the best

@ juUnior

The Mizukage’s genjutsu affects the person’s mental aspect through confusion, which is different from Itachi’s Tsukuyomi that does not confuse the opponent, but provides mental suffering.The psychological breakdown done by Tsukuyomi is the direct effect on the mind of the opponent I meant, which differentiates it from the confusion or deception exhibited by Mizukage’s technique.

I already made clear that up what I meant in my previous post. The effect in the mind is pertained to the mental suffering experienced by the opponent which differentiates from the deception of Mizukage with no psychological damage. That’s it.

I was noting mainly for Itachi’s Tsukuyomi since you did quote first my Gaara vs Itachi scenario, and then I gave some comments about how Gaara countered the Mizukage’s illusion with the presence of the 3rd Eye as moot in Itachi’s case. I think with your post we can agree to this.

Regarding your battle scene among Sound 4 and Gaara it’s already planned for Gaara’s victory and anybody rooting for the Sound 4 can also counter and make his own battle scenario to fit his objective, so I’m not gonna delve myself about it except for the genjutsu thing because that’s the main question here.

Originally Posted by juUnior

- Gaara's probably falling down, using Third Eye technique he knows whats happening, he makes himself hurt <going by the fact that Gaara is a mixed version of Naruto/Sasuke characters and was called genius I would say he knows how to counter genjutsus though its my guess that he would do sth like Shika did>, breaks up from genjutsu;

I forgot what panel it was mentioned. Can you link me? Thanks.

Shikamaru broke Tayuya’s genjutsu with his shadow breaking his finger. I wonder how Gaara’s gonna hurt himself. If he does it with his sand then most likely he’s fine. But still I wonder how he’ll react immediately to it compared to Shika’s immediate counter. The counter for Mizukage was pretty obvious because of the latter’s declaration. So the odds are different. So basically it depends upon Gaara himself if he can immediately think of the counter to hurt himself. Otherwise, he’s screwed.

Re: Gaara Runs the Gauntlet

Originally Posted by naruto the best

Nope. The sand being some type of sealing barrier won’t do anything to stop Tsukuyomi. Hurting Gaara from the outside will just ruin his condition more. And there’s no such thing as the sand sending chakra to disrupt or break the Tsukuyomi inside Gaara’s mind, which is happening instantly in reality though days in that powerful illusion. Again only someone with Sharingan will be able to break it.

Why not? What makes you think itachi can't use his tsukuyomi/genjutsu to kabuto? because he closed his eyes right? Closing gaara's eyes would make itachi's tsukuyomi useless.

Originally Posted by naruto the best

His ultimate defense gives his opponents problems, but we’ve seen occasions how he was hurt many times even with that type of defense.

When was that? way back in part 1?

Gaara can change the mountain/rocks into a sand for his jutsu in an instant. So it doesn't matter if itachi will use his susanoo, amaterasu and tsukuyomi, he'll swim into the sand down to the hellish place.

No. Your itachi isn't really that freaking strong. He's just an average guy without his so called treasure weapons. And no no no. The reason why gaara's sand known as ultimate and best defense is simply because it act on his own for gaara's protection. Itachi can hit gaara if he's so damn fast. But that's the sad thing, itachi is just too slow.

Oh, i think gaara would just fly above and let his sand in the ground rape itachi. Gaara just need his eye jutsu and control those sand from above while throwing his sand ball of rain to itachi's ass. What would itachi can do in that situation? pray? His tsunami of sand and his rain of sand ball are enough to kill itachi who just have a low level capacity of chakra.

Originally Posted by naruto the best

Exaggerating. Even in Lee fight this didn’t happen.

I'm talking about the current gaara and not gaara in part 1. From your POV, You used Gaara's caliber in part 1 vs itachi's caliber in part 2? What the hell is that?

Remember, that it was gaara's sand who sensed muu's presence. He literally control those sand that was flying/floating all around that area. Then controlling those sand and shoot them to itachi's eyes, will make itachi into a fodder ninja. Without his sharingan, he's just as astrong as iruka, from my POV.

Re: Gaara Runs the Gauntlet

Why not? What makes you think itachi can't use his tsukuyomi/genjutsu to kabuto? because he closed his eyes right? Closing gaara's eyes would make itachi's tsukuyomi useless.

When was that? way back in part 1?

Gaara can change the mountain/rocks into a sand for his jutsu in an instant. So it doesn't matter if itachi will use his susanoo, amaterasu and tsukuyomi, he'll swim into the sand down to the hellish place.

No. Your itachi isn't really that freaking strong. He's just an average guy without his so called treasure weapons. And no no no. The reason why gaara's sand known as ultimate and best defense is simply because it act on his own for gaara's protection. Itachi can hit gaara if he's so damn fast. But that's the sad thing, itachi is just too slow.

Oh, i think gaara would just fly above and let his sand in the ground rape itachi. Gaara just need his eye jutsu and control those sand from above while throwing his sand ball of rain to itachi's ass. What would itachi can do in that situation? pray? His tsunami of sand and his rain of sand ball are enough to kill itachi who just have a low level capacity of chakra.

I'm talking about the current gaara and not gaara in part 1. From your POV, You used Gaara's caliber in part 1 vs itachi's caliber in part 2? What the hell is that?

Remember, that it was gaara's sand who sensed muu's presence. He literally control those sand that was flying/floating all around that area. Then controlling those sand and shoot them to itachi's eyes, will make itachi into a fodder ninja. Without his sharingan, he's just as astrong as iruka, from my POV.

marshall no offense

but itahi could wipe out all of the previous kazekages and granny chiyo + sasori

Re: Gaara Runs the Gauntlet

but itahi could wipe out all of the previous kazekages and granny chiyo + sasori

their is no way i could see gaara beating itachi

Huh? How? Gaara is more than enough. He can activate his tsunami sand in an instant. Meaning, it's already block itachi's eye sight. And itachi will go directly to the sinkhole.

And by adding his father, a gold dust user and the third kazegake, the magnet sand user. Then itachi's chance goes down to .0000000 %.

The only chance itachi got is his never ending favorite jutsu of all time, genjutsu/tsukuyomi. BUt if gaara can fly directly using his sand, then i don't see him being defeated by itachi. Then he'll just use his ultimate sand to chase itachi until he run out of chakra. Well, specifically, itachi is just an average ninja in tems of chakra capacity. So he won't last for more than 5 or 10 minutes.

Re: Gaara Runs the Gauntlet

but itahi could wipe out all of the previous kazekages and granny chiyo + sasori

their is no way i could see gaara beating itachi

What marshall is saying somehow makes a lot of sense...and I rarely ever say that.

I don't want to get in to this too much, so I will just say this : While Itachi is overall obviously stronger than Gaara, that doesn't mean he will win against him. A battle between these two is not something so simple as "the strongest wins."

Re: Gaara Runs the Gauntlet

Why not? What makes you think itachi can't use his tsukuyomi/genjutsu to kabuto? because he closed his eyes right? Closing gaara's eyes would make itachi's tsukuyomi useless.

You are forgetting that Kabuto was in his Dragon Sage Mode which enhanced his perception ability, and thus evade the Uchiha brothers’ attacks. Gaara was seen to be waving his hands to have full control of his sand, so it wouldn’t be that effective by letting his eyes closed. Just No. He has to keep his eyesight in this fight. While closing would render his tsukuyomi useless, it would render his other techniques useful. Gaara can cover himself with his sand and not look at Itachi’s eyes to avoid genjutsu, hence opening himself to Itachi’s Blade and seal him with his sand.

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When was that? way back in part 1?
Gaara can change the mountain/rocks into a sand for his jutsu in an instant.
So it doesn't matter if itachi will use his susanoo, amaterasu and tsukuyomi, he'll swim into the sand down to the hellish place.

No. Your itachi isn't really that freaking strong. He's just an average guy without his so called treasure weapons. And no no no. The reason why gaara's sand known as ultimate and best defense is simply because it act on his own for gaara's protection. Itachi can hit gaara if he's so damn fast. But that's the sad thing, itachi is just too slow.

Funny.
The guy just was able to hold his ground against CM Naruto, and dodge Killer Bee’s Samehada even when he has his taijutsu duel with Naruto. He’s shown to end battles quickly and he did manage to get his treasures which are not innate in his Susanoo. We’ve seen how fast enough the Blade of Totsuka is to pierce an opponent even at high range. So even if Gaara is above he’ll still be reached by Magatama projectiles and totsuka.No offense but seriously you’re discrediting the guy and put too much bias in your post really.. And one more thing here: He is not ‘My Itachi’ unlike ‘Your Minato’. I’m a fan, not a fanboy.

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Oh, i think gaara would just fly above and let his sand in the ground rape itachi. Gaara just need his eye jutsu and control those sand from above while throwing his sand ball of rain to itachi's ass. What would itachi can do in that situation? pray? His tsunami of sand and his rain of sand ball are enough to kill itachi who just have a low level capacity of chakra.

I’ve already said how an incomplete Susanoo tank not just sand balls but added with other attacks. It’s pretty much inferior compared to Itachi’s susanoo having Totsuka and Yata Mirror that deflects anything. So the sand balls are useless. Again we’ve already seen Itachi can just jump above, activate his susanoo there and pierce Gaara.

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I'm talking about the current gaara and not gaara in part 1. From your POV, You used Gaara's caliber in part 1 vs itachi's caliber in part 2? What the hell is that?
Remember, that it was gaara's sand who sensed muu's presence. He literally control those sand that was flying/floating all around that area. Then controlling those sand and shoot them to itachi's eyes, will make itachi into a fodder ninja. Without his sharingan, he's just as astrong as iruka, from my POV.

Nope. I am talking about the current Gaara. I mentioned Lee in the context of you saying about the sand being shoot in the eyes, not comparing Gaara’s caliber in part 1 vs Itachi’s caliber in part 2 because common sense tells us that’s dumb. Even then your assumed setting didn’t happen in part 2.
Then again you’re exaggerating your statements by downplaying an Uchiha and taking away his sharingan asset. Well I don’t want to get myself delved on that because it’s your opinion anyway. But seriously just come to think of it if Minato doesn’t have his hiraishin asset.

Re: Gaara Runs the Gauntlet

Originally Posted by naruto the best

You are forgetting that Kabuto was in his Dragon Sage Mode which enhanced his perception ability, and thus evade the Uchiha brothers’ attacks. Gaara was seen to be waving his hands to have full control of his sand, so it wouldn’t be that effective by letting his eyes closed. Just No. He has to keep his eyesight in this fight. While closing would render his tsukuyomi useless, it would render his other techniques useful. Gaara can cover himself with his sand and not look at Itachi’s eyes to avoid genjutsu, hence opening himself to Itachi’s Blade and seal him with his sand.

No. YOu misunderstood my statement. You just stated that gaara can't do anything to itachi's tskuyomi. So i said that gaara has the ability to make that into a useless jutsu for him by closing his eyes like kabuto, and he'll let his sand do the offense and defense. And no. Don't make gaara a fodder/idiot in this fight. What's the use of his flying ability if he don't use it? By flying above, almost of itachi's jutsu are useless. Then controlling his sand to attack itachi in every angle at the same time will make itachi run for his money.

Huh? jump and go with the flow of sand? and then he can deflect sand attack there and finally stomp with his amazing treasure weapon? Where? to the underground? Have you ever seen a sinkhole? and how will itachi jump above of the tsunami sand? and you forgetting something that you can't walk or jump on gaara's sand. So my point still stand.

Originally Posted by naruto the best

Funny.
The guy just was able to hold his ground against CM Naruto, and dodge Killer Bee’s Samehada even when he has his taijutsu duel with Naruto. He’s shown to end battles quickly and he did manage to get his treasures which are not innate in his Susanoo. We’ve seen how fast enough the Blade of Totsuka is to pierce an opponent even at high range. So even if Gaara is above he’ll still be reached by Magatama projectiles and totsuka.No offense but seriously you’re discrediting the guy and put too much bias in your post really.. And one more thing here: He is not ‘My Itachi’ unlike ‘Your Minato’. I’m a fan, not a fanboy.

And we've also seen how fast gaara can activate his sand, and we've seen how fast his sand attack really was, So Susanoo, magatama and totsuka are all useless. Because itachi needs to focus for that attack. Gaara can attack to his opponent in every angle at the same time. Above, below, left and right. That alone will make itachi's run for his money.

And no, if you're a fan of itachi, then it means you're a fanboy. You're a fan and a boy, so it makes you a fanboy.

Originally Posted by naruto the best

I’ve already said how an incomplete Susanoo tank not just sand balls but added with other attacks. It’s pretty much inferior compared to Itachi’s susanoo having Totsuka and Yata Mirror that deflects anything. So the sand balls are useless. Again we’ve already seen Itachi can just jump above, activate his susanoo there and pierce Gaara.

It's not about how itachi would tank the sand balls, but rather how will his susanoo would going to escape on a sinkhole. Itachi can jump above but it goes the same to gaara's sand. In fact, it can attack midair. Sinkhole in the ground and sand in the midair, how will itachi escape that hellish attack?

Originally Posted by naruto the best

Nope. I am talking about the current Gaara. I mentioned Lee in the context of you saying about the sand being shoot in the eyes, not comparing Gaara’s caliber in part 1 vs Itachi’s caliber in part 2 because common sense tells us that’s dumb. Even then your assumed setting didn’t happen in part 2.
Then again you’re exaggerating your statements by downplaying an Uchiha and taking away his sharingan asset. Well I don’t want to get myself delved on that because it’s your opinion anyway. But seriously just come to think of it if Minato doesn’t have his hiraishin asset.

without his hiraishin, minato is still minato. YOu just take one of his jutsu.

But for itachi, without his sharingan, you're already taking the source of his power/jutsu.

And the fact that i just said that gaara can send some of his sand to itachi's eyes to sealed his sharingan. Seriously, how would itachi fight if his eyes had a sand? I've never take itachi's sharingan just to downplay him, i'm just giving you a scenario for gaara to counter itachi's sharingan.

Re: Gaara Runs the Gauntlet

Originally Posted by marshall313

No. YOu misunderstood my statement. You just stated that gaara can't do anything to itachi's tskuyomi. So i said that gaara has the ability to make that into a useless jutsu for him by closing his eyes like kabuto, and he'll let his sand do the offense and defense. And no. Don't make gaara a fodder/idiot in this fight. What's the use of his flying ability if he don't use it? By flying above, almost of itachi's jutsu are useless. Then controlling his sand to attack itachi in every angle at the same time will make itachi run for his money.

Nope. I clearly understood your statement that’s why I emphasized the Kabuto’s difference as you made him an example. And made it clear that Gaara cannot just close his eyes in this fight while his sand do the booming. Just no. In the manga we didn’t see him close his eyes against the likes of Deidara and Second Mizukage and let his sand blow, have we?. Instead we saw his eyes open and that’s needed to wave his hands and guide his sand to increase its effectiveness and overwhelm his opponents. Again we many times saw it. I’m not making him a fodder/idiot, it was you by putting that example which never did happen in the manga and is awful for him. Kabuto did it with SM that’s why Itachi resorted to Izanami. And Gaara’s case is very different.

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Huh? jump and go with the flow of sand? and then he can deflect sand attack there and finally stomp with his amazing treasure weapon? Where? to the underground? Have you ever seen a sinkhole? and how will itachi jump above of the tsunami sand? and you forgetting something that you can't walk or jump on gaara's sand. So my point still stand.

Mizukage and Raikage got out of Gaara’s sand. What makes you think Itachi with his Susanoo cannot get out from that?. Just wow. And where is this underground thing coming when Itachi can just get of the sand and catch Gaara with his ethereal blade above which we’ve seen instantly to pierce at considerable range.? Just wow. Gaara is sealed with his sand. That can actually be the end of it. Really Itachi’s susanoo with its weapons cannot just be restrained by Gaara’s sand.

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And we've also seen how fast gaara can activate his sand, and we've seen how fast his sand attack really was, So Susanoo, magatama and totsuka are all useless. Because itachi needs to focus for that attack. Gaara can attack to his opponent in every angle at the same time. Above, below, left and right. That alone will make itachi's run for his money.

Just when Gaara is controlling the sand to attack at different angles (of which he can’t do when he has his eyes closed lol), he’ll be surprised to be pierced by Totsuka just as when Orochimaru was pierced above. (as this thread doesn’t grant that they know each other’s abilities fully) So it’s not useless and will never be when activated.

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And no, if you're a fan of itachi, then it means you're a fanboy. You're a fan and a boy, so it makes you a fanboy.

Just Literal and Funny. Meh.

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It's not about how itachi would tank the sand balls, but rather how will his susanoo would going to escape on a sinkhole. Itachi can jump above but it goes the same to gaara's sand. In fact, it can attack midair. Sinkhole in the ground and sand in the midair, how will itachi escape that hellish attack?

without his hiraishin, minato is still minato. YOu just take one of his jutsu.
But for itachi, without his sharingan, you're already taking the source of his power/jutsu.

Nope. Hiraishin makes Minato the fastest in the manga. Take that away from him and he loses that title.
So let’s not take away from these guys their assets. That’s what they have and let’s accept it as it is, well unless if we have Uchiha hatred I understand.

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And the fact that i just said that gaara can send some of his sand to itachi's eyes to sealed his sharingan. Seriously, how would itachi fight if his eyes had a sand? I've never take itachi's sharingan just to downplay him, i'm just giving you a scenario for gaara to counter itachi's sharingan.

Hmp.

Originally Posted by marshall313

No. Your itachi isn't really that freaking strong. He's just an average guy without his so called treasure weapons. And no no no. The reason why gaara's sand known as ultimate and best defense is simply because it act on his own for gaara's protection. Itachi can hit gaara if he's so damn fast. But that's the sad thing, itachi is just too slow.
He literally control those sand that was flying/floating all around that area. Then controlling those sand and shoot them to itachi's eyes, will make itachi into a fodder ninja. Without his sharingan, he's just as astrong as iruka, from my POV.

Aside from the fact that it didn’t happen in the manga and that ‘shooting of sand to seal sharingan scenario’ is moot, no offense but it’s a fact that you’re downplaying him with your words, despite the fact that we witnessed what he’s capable of. Again it’s a fact with your words, but it’s your opinion anyway so you’re very free to expose it.