I was skeptical with another English version of the scriptures, lets face it, without proper training in the original languages we are handicapped :confused:, right from the start we are linguistically challenged, lacking the ability to see the beauty and understanding of foreign languages. But, that's another subject.

What I was wanting to express is that the notes are great! In my opinion they are far more accurate then that of the NIV's Life Application Bible. Please understand, I am not slamming the NIV LAB, just expressing my opinion, my Pastor loves the NIV LAB.

I also e-mailed (info@rohrproductions.com) ROHR Productions Ltd. to see if I could acquire the Maps. They e-mailed me back and basically said yes.

If anyone is interested, contact Beth Guthrie at 616 974 2593.

David

Dan Phillips

02-04-2005, 03:08 PM

The notes are impressive. I'm very disappointed in the translation itself, however -- not the concept, but the execution. What a mish-mash.

ugotdave

02-04-2005, 06:43 PM

Dan - I agree 100% on the mish-mash. When I read some of the text, I said :eek: !!

MGVH

02-05-2005, 04:06 PM

We required all our students to buy the diglot NET / NA27 here at my seminary. The main reason was for the notes, which for the most part are quite good. Do note that there is quite a difference between the print version of the notes and the online/downloadable version. (The online has more, especially with their "sense notes.") With the notes, but even more so with the translation, I have noticed a mixed quality. It strikes me, as the NET does indicate, that this is a work in progress and that it is not fully a committee project that has been equally edited across all the books.

Dan Phillips

02-10-2005, 09:27 AM

Dan - I agree 100% on the mish-mash.

There's one I looked for and haven't found, Dave, where the translator clearly misread the word, and no one caught it. Like dabar is translated as if it were derek, or the reverse. I think it's Psalms or Proverbs, but I haven't re-found it yet.

I'm chuckling now at Proverbs 19:18, where the textual note contradicts the in-text rendering! Definitely need for a more thorough peer-review process!

Dan

GenRev1611

02-10-2005, 04:01 PM

I stuggle myself with all these english translations. They make my head spin. I'm learning greek myself. I'm enjoying learning the language. It may take me years to learn, but Lord willing, I'll do it. I keep wondering about a software called "Introduction to NT Greek"? I'd like to get a software for all levels of learning greek. BW has Greek Beyond the Basics. Can anyone tell me about this software that I speek of. Here's the link: http://www.logos.com/products/details/1065. If anyone can let me know it would be much appreciated.

David
IPeter 3:15

Dan Phillips

02-15-2005, 09:14 AM

Ah! I found the one I saw earlier. It's pretty conscpicuous, as it's both in the text and in the footnote.

In Psalm 119:37, the translator clearly took derek as if it were dabar. Check it out.

Michael Hanel

02-15-2005, 09:49 AM

I wasn't quite sure what the intent of your msg was Dan, but I want to defend NET a little bit. If you check your hard copy of BHS you'd see on that verse that one Hebrew Manuscript and the Targums have in your word, and says to compare with verse 25. Anyway point is that their translation might be different, but not a typo or a "mistake" since it does have textual evidence.

Dale A. Brueggemann

02-15-2005, 10:45 AM

I wasn't quite sure what the intent of your msg was Dan, but I want to defend NET a little bit. If you check your hard copy of BHS you'd see on that verse that one Hebrew Manuscript and the Targums have in your word, and says to compare with verse 25. Anyway point is that their translation might be different, but not a typo or a "mistake" since it does have textual evidence.

And there we have a good argument for getting the BHS apparatus in BW if at all possible. Just as the NLT without poetic line breaks is not quite the NLT, so to the BHS 4th ed. without the apparatus is not quite BHS4. I know the German Bible Society is hanging on to it, but we can keep begging for it on the principle that they might come to pity us and let go of it.

Michael Hanel

02-15-2005, 11:29 AM

I know the German Bible Society is hanging on to it, but we can keep begging for it on the principle that they might come to pity us and let go of it. I would think w your last name, you would know German stubbornness a little better ;) But i agree, if the texts themselves are available, there is no reason that the apparati shouldn't be.

Dan Phillips

02-15-2005, 10:21 PM

My point, Michael, was to continue the discussion of the errors and oddities in the NET. This, I think, is another, though your guess is possible. Occam's Razor favors taking it my way, given that no footnote indicates that the translator is intentionally parting from the BHS text, the LXX, and most translations in favor of reading dbr over drk.

Dan

JAMiller

02-28-2005, 08:27 PM

e-mailed (info@rohrproductions.com)[/color] ROHR Productions Ltd. to see if I could acquire the Maps. They e-mailed me back and basically said yes.

If anyone is interested, contact Beth Guthrie at 616 974 2593.

David

David,

I thought the Maps were included in the BW 6 module or are you referring to something else?

Jim

ugotdave

03-04-2005, 10:10 PM

Jim -
Some of the maps come with BW 6, but only in low res. I think if you purchase the NET bible you get some maps in the back of the bible as well. But the real beauty of these maps are available through ROHR Productions Ltd. They can be reached at info@rohrproductions.com or 616 974 2593 (ask for Beth Guthrie). Sorry for any confusion.

JAMiller

03-15-2005, 01:09 AM

Dave,

Thanks for the information. Also, I have downloaded the maps but I cannot figure out how to access them from within BibleWorks. I have figured out most everything else in BW 6, but not that. I would really like to look at them to evaluate them as an educational tool, so any help you can offer would be appreciated.

Blessings,

Jim

MGVH

03-15-2005, 10:23 AM

Two ways to get to the maps:
1) In the menu bar, click on Resources, then Quick Bible Maps.
2) When viewing the NET Bible, when you come across a verse with a geographical reference, look in the Autoinfo window. There usually is a MAP note with hotlinks to the appropriate maps.