yea.. well i was to post that.. once the "release" version was out.. darn it.. i didn;t realize they got all those features functional soo fast.. sweet.

Hikaru79

Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 11:59 pm Post subject: (No subject)

NetBeans has always been my Java IDE of choice, and I've been drooling over Matisse since I first saw the demo about five months ago. I installed the beta two days ago, and man is it sweet 8)

turboliux

Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2005 4:27 am Post subject: (No subject)

whats so sweet about Net Beans? maybe i m still a noob, but I use JCreator and it saves my day 8)

rizzix

Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2005 10:48 am Post subject: (No subject)

netbean's matisse is one of the greatest GUI building tools available for Java for free..

Netbeans wasn't really comparable with Eclipse sometime ago.. now it has a chance to compete.. eitherway Eclipse's VE (visual editor) is pathetic!

I've seen some demos of IntelliJ's IDEA. Oh man that was sweet! Didn't know coding can be so much fun. (too bad it's not free)

I can't wait for Netbeans 5.0 though... the beta one has some serious bugs.. The most apparent one is it's code-folding mechanism. Try it out and you'll see.

But Netbeans 5.0 will "really" rock on Mustang. Cuz mustang has such great enhancements to it's swing library.. you are gonna drool. like for example.. everything swing is OpenGL rendered (woots!).. the new opengl singlethreaded pipeline for maximum performance (another woots!). and then you get free font sub-pixel anti-aliasing throughout ur app. (finally!).. and much more..

infact since everythign is opengl rendered.. there were discussions on makeing a 3D PLAF (that would be kinda cool)

yep can't wait till mustang.

Hikaru79

Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2005 11:00 am Post subject: (No subject)

Something wierd's happened to my netbeans5.0-beta install (on Linux). It crashed once while I was using Matisse, and now the JVM is failing whenever I try to run it. Netbeans 4.1 is still good though. I guess I'll file a bug report and try to reinstall.

rizzix

Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2005 11:20 am Post subject: (No subject)

worked fine on windows... hmm

Ultra Jugulator

Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2005 2:59 pm Post subject: (No subject)

Don't bother using it on Linux. It's way better in Windows.

It runs marvelous!

Hikaru79

Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2005 3:03 pm Post subject: (No subject)

Ultra Jugulator wrote:

Don't bother using it on Linux. It's way better in Windows.

Can you elaborate on that?

An important bug fix made in the Linux version of NetBeans -- loading Projects directly off of mounted NFS shares. Didn't work before, works great now. Yay NetBeans!

goomba

Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 9:06 pm Post subject: (No subject)

Eclipse IMO is much better and more stable than NetBeans on all platforms. Matisse is nice, but it still generates code that is way too verbose and convoluted.

rizzix

Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 10:04 pm Post subject: (No subject)

goomba wrote:

Matisse is nice, but it still generates code that is way too verbose and convoluted.

how so?

goomba

Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 11:27 pm Post subject: (No subject)

It uses full names for every single object instead of just importing at the top (not sure if there's a way to change this) and I don't like the fact that it relies on its own nonstandard packages for many of its layout features. I also like to have more control over how the GUI initialization methods are handled.

Maybe some people like to have an IDE write code for them, but I prefer to either do it myself entirely or have it done without interfering with the code, the way Interface Builder works.

Hikaru79

Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 11:45 pm Post subject: (No subject)

goomba wrote:

It uses full names for every single object instead of just importing at the top (not sure if there's a way to change this)

Good point. This has always annoyed the heck out of me, and I don't know if/how it can be changed. Perhaps rizzix does?

Despite a few shortcomings, Netbeans is what I'm most familiar with, and at the end of the day, thats really what matters most, all else being approximately equal.

rizzix

Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 12:19 am Post subject: (No subject)

goomba wrote:

Maybe some people like to have an IDE write code for them, but I prefer to either do it myself entirely or have it done without interfering with the code, the way Interface Builder works.