There was none that hit my case.. so I took agnostic deist. Which is propably more than I believe, but still the closest one.

Welcome to the forum, Humanoid. Can you expand on that a bit? Is it that you think the universe has a creator now disinterested in it?

I think that this world is result of physical laws. There is a possibility that there is a certain force ( lets call it God) that formed the physical laws. I do not know if I believe it or not. It is possible or it is not. I am questioning it.. and searching.

I used to be a christian, but I have lost my theological point of view to it.

This is my very first post and I'll probably do something wrong so apologies for my mistakes. I was born a nonbeliever because as a baby I didn't know about anything. I was raised by nonpracticing catholics who explained what God was and that I should follow. I did and even attended a catholic school going to church every Wednesday. I started to question God's plan and even his existence when I realized that I could confess my sins and be clean again for the price of 4 Our Fathers and 3 Hail Mary's. I am now in my 40's and I believe he doesn't exist. I know something created us because we are here. I don't presume to know what that was or why. I try to be a good person and take care of my family. My religious position is set to 0. No one has been able to prove to me without a doubt that there is a God that any religion subscribes to. Last week I was going to begin a journey trying to prove to the world that God does not exist and I came across this site. It's been done so i don't have to start. I love this site.

Welcome lg12811. I think you are going to find yourself in very good company here. Lots of very smart people, who have also come to the conclusion that god does not exist, or were raised with that understanding of the world, as well as some theists. And lots of people here who try to live good lives and take care of our families. Probably, there will be gobs of scientists who are happy to point you in the direction of learning about the origins of life, and welcome you on this new journey in your life.

In terms of doing something wrong, please take a little time to read how to do quotes and whatnot, and you'll probably mess up a few times before you get the hang of it. In terms of saying something that rubs someone the wrong way, well, there are a lot of strong personalities here too. But there is also a community of people who welcome you.

Agnostic atheist would be the best description for me. I'm baptised and a protestant because of my mum. I'm not religious at all though. Mum is a ''christian'' but compared to ''real'' ones she'd be considered to be fake easily while dad is just an atheist. She told me that she only prays when she feels like it. I guess her faith simply could be considered to be very personal. She also said that she thinks people who rely of their faith all the time and finds that you at times must be realistic. Having that said I don't remember any religious things in my childhood at all. Mum said we used to pray sometimes but I can't remember it at all. I also think it's years that she prayed for something.

Hmmm . . .I certainly believe in a Creator of sorts (God, I guess) but I can't reconcile such a Creator with the tyrannical acts of the God of the Bible. What does this say about my religious position?

Hmmm . . .I certainly believe in a Creator of sorts (God, I guess) but I can't reconcile such a Creator with the tyrannical acts of the God of the Bible. What does this say about my religious position?

Deist maybe? Usually implies that you believe that a 'god' figure created the universe, but remains largely aloof of human concerns and does not actively intervene in human lives.

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"If we look back into history for the character of the present sects in Christianity, we shall find few that have not in their turns been persecutors, and complainers of persecution."

Hmmm . . .I certainly believe in a Creator of sorts (God, I guess) but I can't reconcile such a Creator with the tyrannical acts of the God of the Bible. What does this say about my religious position?

hehehe.you are a theist if whatever god you believe in has human characteristics emotion/shape/form/gender/humor

Hmmm . . .I certainly believe in a Creator of sorts (God, I guess) but I can't reconcile such a Creator with the tyrannical acts of the God of the Bible. What does this say about my religious position?

Deist maybe? Usually implies that you believe that a 'god' figure created the universe, but remains largely aloof of human concerns and does not actively intervene in human lives.

A good subject for a thread: Why would a god go to the trouble of creating a universe and all that is in it, and then clear off? Have they ever done this before? Will they do it again? Are they doing it now?

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Nobody says “There are many things that we thought were natural processes, but now know that a god did them.”

A good subject for a thread: Why would a god go to the trouble of creating a universe and all that is in it, and then clear off?

I can think of at least one good reason: just to watch what happens.

Have you ever seen those sand pendulum things?

The way it works is, you hold the pendulum to one side of the tray, then let it go, perhaps with a slight sideways push so that when it swings back, it doesn't immediately swing back thru the middle of the sand. Then, you just sit back and watch. When the pendulum finally stops swinging around some minutes later, the result is some very intricate and beautiful patterns in the sand, which vary depending on how the pendulum's motion started. This is just one possibility of many:

It's quite fascinating to watch the various patterns appear, and there have been times when I sat with one for minutes turning into hours, just trying different ways of swinging the pendulum and observing the different patterns. So there's one possibility, at least: the universe could be god's sand pendulum.

"I'd be surprised to meet many people in category 7, but I include it for symmetry with category 1, which is well populated. It is in the nature of faith that one is capable, like Jung, of holding a belief without adequate reason to do so (Jung also believed that particular books on his shelf spontaneously exploded with a loud bang). Atheists do not have faith; and reason alone could not propel one to total conviction that anything definitely does not exist. Hence category 7 is in practice rather emptier than its opposite number, category 1, which has many devoted inhabitants. I count myself in category 6, but leaning towards 7-1 am agnostic only to the extent that I am agnostic about fairies at the bottom of the garden." (The God Delusion).

I hate to pick nits, but as I have said in other threads, I'm a bit anal about one point: agnosticism is not "I do not know", but rather "It is impossible to know". I am an agnostic atheist: It is impossible to know for certain whether a god exists, but I don't believe there is one.

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I can live with questions I cannot answer, but I cannot live with questions I cannot ask.