Posted 3 years ago on Jan. 5, 2012, 7:24 a.m. EST by aahpat
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United States Constitution;

Article One, Section Eight:

"The Congress shall have power..."

"To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;"

The Second Amendment to the Constitution of the united States of America:

"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

There are those who assert that the Second Amendment gives Americans the right to use deadly force against the federal government should they decide that the federal government has slipped into "tyranny". Ron Paul, last week upon the signing of the National Defense Authorization Act, said that the bill amounted to the government sliding into tyranny.

So, do Americans have the right, under the Second Amendment, to assassinate members of Congress who voted for the NDAA? Can Americans now assassinate Bark Obama?

Is the Second Amendment a license to assassinate American federal officials and elected leaders?

Would anyone want to be elected to, appointed or hired by the federal government knowing that the Second Amendment is a death writ with their name on it should someone put their name on a list of American government leaders or workers who have become tyrannical?

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Let "those who assert that the Second Amendment gives Americans the right to use deadly force against the federal government" stand up and be counted. Next find out if they agree with Ron Paul. You may find you're group consists of several dozen individuals living in scrap wood shacks in the woods, or some other obscure minority. If that's the case, then there would be no right to take up arms against the will of the majority.

"act of armed rebellion" not in the Second Amendment or the United States Constitution. That is a psychotic libertarian rationalization for assassination and armed insurrection against the Constitutional government of the United States of America.

Whether the constitution says it is right or wrong is quite beside the point. Your morals and ethics should tell you it is wrong to kill other human beings. Would you want someone to assassinate you? I think not.

"Would anyone want to be elected to, appointed or hired by the federal government knowing that the Second Amendment is a death writ with their name on it should someone put their name on a list of American government leaders or workers who have become tyrannical?"

Probably not. So I suggest that the government not become tyrannical, and we won't have a problem....

They sell drugs then lock people up for re-selling them. I don't believe they have any rules or moral road blocks. Overstepping law enforcement, war, and overpaid middlemen is why I support the movement.

Unfortunately it is a common sting practice by law enforcement. Watch practically any Cop's episode they cover these operations all the time. The hope in a lot of this is to get the buyer to turn in their normal supplier. So it's not actually selling drugs but in some places it is a legal form of entrapment.

You need to learn to read for comprehension. It is not I who advocate this. It is libertarians with their 'watering the tree of liberty with the blood of tyrants' rhetoric who are advocating it.

Yes, I am playing with the paulites. It is so easy and so much fun. And in this issue it is necessary, I believe, that people see how crazy they are.

It is important that people understand that the threat of declaring a leader a 'tyrant' has a real impact in coercing and intimidating American political leaders. This shoves our political leaders to the right whether or not that is what the American people want. Political leaders capitulate to the threat of assassination rather than risk the possibility of assassination. So every time a right-winger aggressively advocates the Second Amendment in a public discourse they are shoving the politicians into capitulation to them under threat of assassination.

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by ZenDogTroll
(13032)
from South Burlington, VT
3 years ago

Would anyone want to be elected to, appointed or hired by the federal government knowing that the Second Amendment is a death writ with their name on it should someone put their name on a list of American government leaders or workers who have become tyrannical?

I didn't write that.

you did.

You are suggesting violence and assassination. It is all in how you phrased the question:

Ron Paul, last week upon the signing of the National Defense Authorization Act, said that the bill amounted to the government sliding into tyranny.

So, do Americans have the right, under the Second Amendment, to assassinate members of Congress who voted for the NDAA? Can Americans now assassinate Bark Obama?

I'm sure that is not a typo . . . Bark Obama

It is a suggestion, that the President is nothing more than a dog, one to be put down.

I've seen a ton of this same shit - suggestions that just appear to be in the air

Can you at least stop bringing it up? It's over and it's in the past. Wouldn't it be better to just forget about it and move on. It's just a really awful thing to keep talking about. I'm sure you two can find plenty of other things to argue about. Just not that. Please.

No I wasn't there. You were the one that told me about. He explained he didn't do that, it was a fake. And I believe him, he would never do anything like that. There were so many fakes using his name in order to get attention. It only makes sense that it was a fake. He would never do that. There have been lots of fakes using others user names around here. You know this. Can you absolutely positively say that it wasn't a fake?

If trashy now wants to defend him, that is his choice. By all means. He is welcome to that position. I don't mind at all.

I'm not defending aahpat at all. I disagree with his position and agree with yours. Reread my comment. I asked that you please stop using profanity and insults when discussing issues. You calling aahpat asshat speaks for itself. You should learn to be an adult, and, no, I don't want to kiss your ass fat.

Being a little radical aren't you .I don't think this movement is about overthrowing this government but changing it back to a government for the people like it was suppose to be. I think you watch too much fox news.

hey they went out of their way to interfere with my life, i didnt do anything to them, i mean i cant own a chicken or a cow on my land, and they are telling me i have to wear a seatbelt when its none of their gd business. in fact seatbelts dont cause accidents, following too close to the car in front of you does, but government workers are so dumb you never see them pull people over for that! I dont need other men to tell me what to do, Im already the only guy on the road with 6-10 car lengths in front of mine, and ive never been in an accident nearly 50 years old, i know i must be a fricking genius! ha

i think anyman who interferes with another mans freedom should be hung by the neck publically government or any other, because they are not my judge, and good rope is only about $50 and is reusable, but our dumb government workers, tax us up to $50k a year to imprison someone.

well i thought the insurance companies could be grouped together with corporations who are buying our politicians making laws to favor them and ignore the 99% of our wishes, was pretty well spoken of already. im not knowledgeable enough about insurance companies to say they need to be dissolved, but i do believe several large banks should be desolved and i can prove why in writing.

"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." -- (Thomas Jefferson)

"What country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms." (Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, Dec. 20, 1787, in Papers of Jefferson)

"The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them. And yet, though this truth would seem so clear, and the importance of a well regulated militia would seem so undeniable, it cannot be disguised, that among the American people there is a growing indifference to any system of militia discipline, and a strong disposition, from a sense of its burthens, to be rid of all regulations. How it is practicable to keep the people duly armed without some organization, it is difficult to see. There is certainly no small danger, that indifference may lead to disgust, and disgust to contempt; and thus gradually undermine all the protection intended by this clause of our national bill of rights." (Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States; With a Preliminary Review of the Constitutional History of the Colonies and States before the Adoption of the Constitution [Boston, 1833])

"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials." -George Mason

"To disarm the people (is) the best and most effectual way to enslave them..." -George Mason

"The Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms." -Samuel Adams

"If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no recourse left but in the exertion of that original right of self defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government..."-Alexander Hamilton

"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom of Europe. the supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any bands of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States." -Noah Webster

"And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants" (Thomas Jefferson in a letter to William S. Smith in 1787. Taken from Jefferson, On Democracy 20, 1939)

So, do Americans have the right, under the Second Amendment, to assassinate members of Congress who voted for the NDAA?END--------

No, not until due process is completed and it is proven that the Constitution and the republic for which it stands will fall without it.

Due process equals all citizens to give notice to congress that they will be considered unconstitutional and agains the constitution if they do not convene an Article 5 convention within 45 days of the first notice. People who have taken oaths to defend the constitution from domestic enemies, and take the oath seriously, to join together and use military and civilian justice systems to make inquiry into constitutional civilan government and lawful military authority status. Courts must accomodate this or be working against soldiers seeking to defend the Constitution, constitutionally by protecting life by FIRST putting real effort into making the legal system work.

If that fails, THEN something more drastic is fully lawful and justified.

i thought about this too, and feel its a shame that the authority rests in the states, cause the states is bought out by the feds, we the people need to have some authority, we should make all branches of government report to we the people, and we should establish a "whitewater" army to protect us citizens of their rights, should our government go completely amuck!

RonPaul openly opposes and denounces the democratically instituted agencies and institutions of the United States government even though those institutions were created by democratic process. RonPaul then does not respect America's democratically constituted Republic. This makes Ron Paul a tyrant who would impose his libertarian anti democratic form of government on America.

The real goal of libertarian crazies who defend the Second Amendment is to intimidate elected government leaders into doing as the libertarians dictate or face being declared a "tyrant" worthy of Second Amendment assassination.

Libertarians have been using the threat of Second Amendment retribution against our government for decades which is how the government has been shoved to the right in the past few decades.

If you work for or are elected to the federal government and the libertarians declare you a "tyrant' the libertarians then reserve their Second Amendment right to assassinate you. If you uphold your sworn duty, as a law enforcement officer or member of the armed forces, to defend federal elected officials and employees the libertarians assert a Second Amendment right to wage insurrection against you and murder you.