Grass Roots Talk of a Preemptive Strike on North Korea is Reaching Critical Levels

Grass roots means the people, and I haven't seen the people around me talking much about North Korea at all. So I'm not sure how much grass roots
appeal there is for this.

I do think something needs to be done. You have someone firing off ICBMs in an economically important area - South Korea, Japan, even China. What
happens if he loads on up with a warhead one of these days? Is that what we wait for?

And how do we divide just showing us he can from he really will until it's too late for someone?

It's the same "weapons of mass destruction" line the military industrial complex always uses when it wants to boost it's bottom line. North Korea
tests an ICBM that may be able to reach some remote Aleutian island and it might be capable of carrying a nuclear payload that North
Korea doesn't have. So that's justification for spending billions, if not trillions, of dollars that we don't have along with the deaths and maiming
of tens of thousands of Americans who have enough patriotic sense of duty to enlist in the military.

Best case scenario is international bankers and arms manufacturers get fat as the government borrows another 20 trillion that taxpayers have to pay
back; the best and most courageous young people of another generation are sacrificed while the worst of that generation remain to bolster crime
statistics; and in the end we wonder how we were stupid enough to get fooled by the same lies again.

I find it really hard to believe that average Americans are so concerned about North Korea that they are considering another genocidal invasion
without being prompted by the US propaganda machine. Even if North Korea had as many nuclear weapons as Israel does, had attacked a US Navy ship like
Israel did, committed acts of terrorism against Americans like Israel did, and was trying to genocide and entire group of people like Israel is, I
think most Americans would still be focused on problems closer to home.

I think most Americans are more worried that some desperate drug addict will try to break into their house to steal enough for their next fix. Or
that their children may be kidnapped and sold to some pimp. Or how they are going to be able to afford an average medical bill. Or how to pay for
higher education. Or a thousand other real problems that can and do affect their daily lives.

I believe the people most concerned about North Korea are the ones that will make bank on another protracted military operation, and I believe they
are the ones driving this "grass roots" talk of an invasion.

diplomacy just binds your nation to the will of other nations and gives them the rope to hang you with, the greatest empires have always avoided
diplomacy unless it suits them to do so but otherwise they act on their will and do as they say will regardless of their image.
america has been too much of a pushover and needs to be more decisive and stop the exploitation and blackmail by other nations before it ruins us.

originally posted by: audubon
"Grass roots talk" in this thread's title means "armchair generals wibbling nonsense on the internet."

Yeah the same internet nonsense that put Trump in office, and shoved that nonsense in your face.

Grass roots, because of what I have seen personally, researching the subject. It's not my fault you choose to be blind to it.

Oh wait, I see, you must be one of those that watches cable news all the time.

And you're trying to have a conversation with people? And you throw around insults and just generally talk down to anybody wit ha differing view
point?

And yet you call other people blind? Okay. Just addressing that first.

As for the topic, it would be good for a country to stand up to North Korea and initiate some kind of campaign to remove that despot from power.

North Korea is the only country in the world that would benefit from Western intervention, followed by south Korean occupation and then a unified
Korea.

The whole peninsula would be better for it, unless China and Russia tried to land grab what was left after the NK regime is removed.

But overall, conflict with NK is inevitable one way or another. I just hope they don't wait until NK has the means to attack with a nuclear payload,
or a biological one, because they will. It's not empty threats.

It seems completely insane to me that we haven't acted on NK by now. They've been threatening to use nukes against us while actually trying to build
said nukes. It'd be like if someone says they're going to go on a shooting rampage tomorrow at work and then they go out and buy a bunch of guns and
ammo and nobody does anything about it because they'd rather just wait and see if they actually carry through.

And you're trying to have a conversation with people? And you throw around insults and just generally talk down to anybody wit ha differing view
point?

And yet you call other people blind? Okay. Just addressing that first.

No, but this is the Mud Pit. Different rules in here. They gonna just dismiss my opinion as nonsense and talk down to me, when what I have witnessed
myself out there enough to come here and make a thread about it, then they better be ready. I talk nice to people who talk nice to me.

No, but this is the Mud Pit. Different rules in here. They gonna just dismiss my opinion as nonsense and talk down to me, when what I have
witnessed myself out there enough to come here and make a thread about it, then they better be ready.

Let me know how calling people idiots, works out for you getting your message across.

I never called anyone an idiot. I merely defended myself, which I believe in the Mud Pit I am allowed to do. Especially against one or two liner smart
asses. Now apparently I must defend myself against outright lies. Show me the post where I directly called someone an idiot. I didn't. So take it
back.

China needs America's consumers FAR more than it needs NK. An embargo on all products from any country that "directly or indirectly" supports those
that threaten us would have them dropping NK within a month.

War is hell. Far better for the NK people to free themselves than Americans should die "exporting democracy".

Talking down to people, implies you are smarter than them, which means calling them stupid.

The tone you chose to use, in many of these posts, displays that. Most of your posts in this thread, directed at members who didn't even reply to YOU
specifically, just the information in your OP, have snide remarks in some form or another.

Anyway, my intention wasn't to come in here and start a discussion about you, it was merely to point out that your tactic of talking down to people
just because you can ( ie, the Muddpitt) does you a disservice.

If you want to just talk about things with people who agree with you, there are plenty of echo chambers for that.

Not anymore. They have certainly demonstrated the capability of hitting any region of South Korea with a nuke ... and very quickly. Things might
come to a head when they demonstrate they have a miniaturized warhead production capability.

I fully believe NK is being harped up for ulterior purposes. What they are exactly, I don't know. But I'm much more concerned about Pakistan's
arsenal than NK's.

I don't know. A small warhead weighing a couple hundred pounds can be carried in the cargo hold of any commercial aircraft. I could easily envision
North Korea selling these like hotcakes on the blackmarket.

If this is about China ... a unilateral US strike on North Korea ... would only be reasonable to expect simultaneous strikes on China and Pakistan
(for the purpose of eliminating their strategic response capabilities). Three minutes. That's all it takes. It's almost not even a gamble. Yet, if
China produced a blue-water naval capability ... we're talking about a strategic game-changer.

It seems that the former US gets the war it needs so badly, to deflect from the problems at home.

What about "Lil Kim"?
He lived and became educated for three years in Europe, in the Switzerlands.
Time enough for a western secret service to turn him around?
Because, he is exactly doing what the former US wants, needs now.

But then there are the chinese, they don´t want to have former US troops in NK...

I truly believe it's the China factor. If it was the Philippines just above NK, we probably would have taken care of it a while back.

The US doesn't want to start a conflict with the billion man army lol

~Tenth

Korea was originally part of Japan. After the end of World War II, that land was split up between China and the Allies forming North and South Korea.
Even then, the Communists were still determined to get South Korea and started the Korean War in 1948. They got pushed back by the Allies, but only at
a cost of millions of lives.

China want North Korea to remain as a buffer zone and prevent the influence of democracy from South Korea creeping into their country. So they are
keeping a military presence near the North border. At the very least, they don't want millions of starving refugees streaming into their country.

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