Nothing, except that VG ABUs are non mil-spec. In fact they aren't even "ABUs", they are "CAP ABUs".

When compared side-by-side, they have a distinct pink hue, and the colors in general are more vibrant.

I say "should" be acceptable to members as since this is the official uniform source, then it doesn't need to be available anywhere else, however those excited about wear the ABU want to wear the same brands as the guys on TV, thus they want the "real thing"and will purport a "shortage" will occur after the USAF adopts a new pattern.

Since they should be getting their uniforms from the official supplier, it's a non-issueunless you want to interject tangential questions about what is worn and people's motivations.

VG seems very capable of ramping up pac-rim surplus production on anything CAP needs, so "shortages" should be a thing.

The AF did not goto the OCP because the Army is already wearing it. There is more to that decision.

Actually, that is the EXACT reason the Air Force went to it.

The ABU wasn't working and a replacement was desired. Adopting the OCP was seen as an economical way to do it since the Army had already spent the money needed to field it. And the Air Force had some experience wearing it already since by order of CENTCOM everybody in the AOR had to wear it.

More to it than that bro..

I read about the change in Stars and Strips. The AF needed a better field uniform, and it seemed a ‘no brainer’; cost, combat field use, and the AF can start issuing theses uniforms more quickly.

Why make this so mysterious? Cost, combat usage, availability. Seems simply to me. Google AF and OCP. Get back with the class with what you find 😆

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The AF did not goto the OCP because the Army is already wearing it. There is more to that decision.

Actually, that is the EXACT reason the Air Force went to it.

The ABU wasn't working and a replacement was desired. Adopting the OCP was seen as an economical way to do it since the Army had already spent the money needed to field it. And the Air Force had some experience wearing it already since by order of CENTCOM everybody in the AOR had to wear it.

More to it than that bro..

I read about the change in Stars and Strips. The AF needed a better field uniform, and it seemed a ‘no brainer’; cost, combat field use, and the AF can start issuing theses uniforms more quickly.

Why make this so mysterious? Cost, combat usage, availability. Seems simply to me. Google AF and OCP. Get back with the class with what you find 😆

There is also those folks in DC who said no more newly designed service specific field uniforms.

Actually, that is the EXACT reason the Air Force went to it.The ABU wasn't working and a replacement was desired. Adopting the OCP was seen as an economical way to do it since the Army had already spent the money needed to field it. And the Air Force had some experience wearing it already since by order of CENTCOM everybody in the AOR had to wear it.I read about the change in Stars and Strips. The AF needed a better field uniform, and it seemed a ‘no brainer’; cost, combat field use, and the AF can start issuing theses uniforms more quickly.Why make this so mysterious? Cost, combat usage, availability. Seems simply to me. Google AF and OCP. Get back with the class with what you find 😆

Yep.And soon CAP will be wearing it too. Going to looks awesome.

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Actually, that is the EXACT reason the Air Force went to it.The ABU wasn't working and a replacement was desired. Adopting the OCP was seen as an economical way to do it since the Army had already spent the money needed to field it. And the Air Force had some experience wearing it already since by order of CENTCOM everybody in the AOR had to wear it.I read about the change in Stars and Strips. The AF needed a better field uniform, and it seemed a ‘no brainer’; cost, combat field use, and the AF can start issuing theses uniforms more quickly.Why make this so mysterious? Cost, combat usage, availability. Seems simply to me. Google AF and OCP. Get back with the class with what you find 😆

Yep.And soon CAP will be wearing it too. Going to looks awesome.

"Soon" is relative. Based on my experience with uniform changes and transition times, and the recent change to ABUs, It could be until way into the 2020s before CAP sees OCPs.

I say "should" be acceptable to members as since this is the official uniform source, then it doesn't need to be available anywhere else, however those excited about wear the ABU want to wear the same brands as the guys on TV, thus they want the "real thing"and will purport a "shortage" will occur after the USAF adopts a new pattern.

Since they should be getting their uniforms from the official supplier, it's a non-issue unless you want to interject tangential questions about what is worn and people's motivations.

Many do want to wear "the Real Deal," and not what might be considered a "knock off." It can be a valid point of concern. I don't like the idea of a knockoff from a sole source.

VG seems very capable of ramping up pac-rim surplus production on anything CAP needs, so "shortages" should be a thing.

Not sure of Vanguard' sources on there products, so not sure what I think. I doubt Vanguard's ABUs meet anything near the same spec as Air Force ones.

I could see Vanguard wanting to extend wear on their sole source product. Not sure I like that idea either, especially with their history of harassing other suppliers. CAP would be better off going with military spec and standards. Vanguard will take a hit, but it's not like they're the best thing since sliced bread.

National Uniform Committee (NUC) stated they have no plans for asking the AF for the new uniforms. Even if it was authorized it wouldn’t be until ALL Air Force Members’s including Reserve, ROTC, and JROTC get theirs.

I've got a set of Propper (I think?) and a set of DLATS ABUs. I prefer the mil-spec quality (that's a first!). They're just the right comfort level (material-wise).

The pink hue looks funky to me. I always figured there was some slight variation to the fabric, but I'm also color deficient (so a lot of times that's me just accepting that my eyes are playing tricks). So it's not me after all.....

National Uniform Committee (NUC) stated they have no plans for asking the AF for the new uniforms. Even if it was authorized it wouldn’t be until ALL Air Force Members’s including Reserve, ROTC, and JROTC get theirs.

What?! No new uniforms?!?! But now what are we supposed to debate?!?!?!?!

National Uniform Committee (NUC) stated they have no plans for asking the AF for the new uniforms. Even if it was authorized it wouldn’t be until ALL Air Force Members’s including Reserve, ROTC, and JROTC get theirs.

Mandatory wear date for Active Duty, Air Guard and Reserve is Sept 30, 2021. A good chunk of the force already has this uniform because they've deployed in the past 5 years.

A good chunk of the force already has this uniform because they've deployed in the past 5 years.

Which is, according to the tubes, causing it's own CAP-type controversy in that some of those early-issued materials and patterns don't match the OCP of today, an maybe not what is ultimately the final pattern.

A good chunk of the force already has this uniform because they've deployed in the past 5 years.

Which is, according to the tubes, causing it's own CAP-type controversy in that some of those early-issued materials and patterns don't match the OCP of today, an maybe not what is ultimately the final pattern.

Nice to see sometimes that Big Brother has the same problems.

Actually not a problem. You're allowed to wear them until they become unserviceable. The only restriction is that the trousers and the blouse have to match.

So as we talked about earlier, I think some of the stuff that's being done over on the "Ma Blue" side can be adapted. I had this made by VG for a go bag, but here it is on that "CAP-OCP" in the manner I was suggesting.

See the same:

This type of badge wear modification could be done for an OCP-style corporate top as well like the TRU from Truspec.