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Re: Jake Query: Peyton's out for the year

Is it sad (or typical) that I'm already thinking we should consider tanking the season?

I really don't think we are going to have to. Everything this team has done for the past decade was based around Peyton Manning. He makes this entire team function. The offense is advanced and tailored to Manning's no-huddle, fast paced, highly complex approach. Our running backs aren't playmakers so much as blockers for picking up the blitzes Manning gets. Our special teams doesn't need to give us great field position because Manning and the offense are so effective at driving downfield (in a hurry, if need be). The defense is most effective when playing with a lead. Force the other team into passing situations so Freeney and Mathis can wreak havoc on opposing quarterbacks. It's up to Manning to get us that lead in the first place. The two minute offense at the end of halves and games has been critical for our success in the Manning era; that's now gone. We have done such a poor job of drafting that we don't have many playmakers on offense, our offensive line is still a huge question mark...I mean, yeah. I don't think it's a stretch to say that Manning is the most indispensable player in football, maybe even team sports. I want to give us 3 or 4 wins this year, but I think our winning culture we have sustained will have us in the 6 win range.

People I know in Indy just have a totally different attitude toward their team when they lose as opposed to people in D.C. who have lived here forever and live and die by the Redskins. The Redskins are absolutely awful and have the worst owner in sports but you never hear people say, "I hate the Redskins" when they lose. People still go to the games, wear Redskins gear, and cheer the team. However, my buddies in Indy get completely visceral when the Colts lose and typically say that they hate the Colts and the Colts suck. Basically, they have no tolerance for a losing team and seem to take it for granted that they will always be there. In contrast, people here enjoy the Redskins no matter what because even though they've been here forever you can never really know with crazy Dany Snyder.

Look, everyone on here knows that I question Polian's decision making, but I have loved the Colts since I was a little kid when the QB was Jeff George and we were losing field goal battles to the Buffalo Bills. I'll always support the Colts even from hundreds of miles away. I just wish others would do the same.

Yeah, I tend to agree. I have been in Cleveland just over three months and I can tell you that these fans are on a whole other level than Indy fans. Their teams suck but they still support them with enthusiasm. It's really great to see it actually, and I wish Indy fans were a little better in that regard. I think I have a bad taste in my mouth from this whole Pacers episode. When they were winning, they were the toast of the town and the Colts were afterthoughts. When the tables turn, suddenly we have the worst attendance in the league and apathy is running rampant through the streets of Indy. It just kind of pisses me off.

Well yeah, that column was spot on at the time. Manning was at the top of his game in 2010 and was showing no signs of slowing down. He looked like he easily had 4-5 years left in him. That column was written before Peyton even had the surgery.

Re: Jake Query: Peyton's out for the year

Well yeah, that column was spot on at the time. Manning was at the top of his game in 2010 and was showing no signs of slowing down.

I wouldn't say "no signs".

In 2010 he has his lowest passer rating since 2002 (just 10th best in the league), his highest number of interceptions since 2002, his lowest number of yards per attempt in his career, his lowest number of yards per completion in his career.

20/20 hindsight, I know, but there was pretty clear evidence that he was not physically right last year, especially late in the year.

Re: Jake Query: Peyton's out for the year

Those are the numbers you get when you're passing to players like Blair White and Jacob Tamme.

Ryan Kerrigan, a rook for the Redskins, had this exact procedure. (from what I've been told) He was a DE at Purdue, and is now playing linebacker for Wash. If a player taking that much contact can hold up, I would think Peyton has a pretty good shot at it.

Re: Jake Query: Peyton's out for the year

In 2010 he has his lowest passer rating since 2002 (just 10th best in the league), his highest number of interceptions since 2002, his lowest number of yards per attempt in his career, his lowest number of yards per completion in his career.

20/20 hindsight, I know, but there was pretty clear evidence that he was not physically right last year, especially late in the year.

He had one more interception (17) than he did in his spectacular 2009 MVP season (16). He threw for the same amount of touchdowns in 2010 as he did in 09 (33). He's thrown 33 three times (00,09,10), which is the second highest total of his career. He also threw for 4700 yards last year, the highest of his career.

He had a couple of really bad games that put a dent on his stats. He was dealing with a revolving door of injuries and a bad o-line with no run game. Not making excuses, just stating facts. Overall, he was spectacular as usual. Yeah it was his lowest rating sine 02, but like I said, it was a couple of games that dragged him down. Besides, 03-09 are a collection of some of the greatest passer ratings ever. He was still a fantastic QB last year.

EIGHT of Manning's 17 picks last year came in the SD and Dallas games (4 each). So he basically had half of his season picks in those two games. He threw 4 TD's total in those two games. So that means he threw for 29 TDs and just 9 picks in the other 14 games. See, overall he was superb last season. Not his best season ever, but still a pretty darn good one. A typical Manning one. If weren't for those two godawful games then he would have had a QB rating in the mid-high 90's.

There was no reason to think Manning was on the downside last year.

Have the Pats started planning for life without Brady? He's only 17 months younger than Peyton, you know.

Re: Jake Query: Peyton's out for the year

In 2010 he has his lowest passer rating since 2002 (just 10th best in the league), his highest number of interceptions since 2002, his lowest number of yards per attempt in his career, his lowest number of yards per completion in his career.

20/20 hindsight, I know, but there was pretty clear evidence that he was not physically right last year, especially late in the year.

IT pretty tough to separate the forest from the trees here. The Colts had to many injuries on the offensive side of the ball to really point to his lower production.

He had a operation though last year so it was something that was nagging IMO at some point well before the season started.

Re: Jake Query: Peyton's out for the year

More form Kravitz, consider these statements

Kravitz in May (linked earlier):

It’s hard to pinpoint exactly when the Colts should begin looking for Manning’s replacement, but I know this much: not now and not for another year or three. (Note; there was nothing in the article indicating he was against this idea!)

Kravitz, in August:

The Colts continue to play with fire with their backup quarterback spot....If Manning does go down, and the Colts are stuck with their current pair, I retain the right to say, 'I told you so.'

Re: Jake Query: Peyton's out for the year

Itís hard to pinpoint exactly when the Colts should begin looking for Manningís replacement, but I know this much: not now and not for another year or three. (Note; there was nothing in the article indicating he was against this idea!)

Kravitz, in August:

The Colts continue to play with fire with their backup quarterback spot....If Manning does go down, and the Colts are stuck with their current pair, I retain the right to say, 'I told you so.'

Re: Jake Query: Peyton's out for the year

Itís hard to pinpoint exactly when the Colts should begin looking for Manningís replacement, but I know this much: not now and not for another year or three. (Note; there was nothing in the article indicating he was against this idea!)

Kravitz, in August:

The Colts continue to play with fire with their backup quarterback spot....If Manning does go down, and the Colts are stuck with their current pair, I retain the right to say, 'I told you so.'

Re: Jake Query: Peyton's out for the year

He had one more interception (17) than he did in his spectacular 2009 MVP season (16). He threw for the same amount of touchdowns in 2010 as he did in 09 (33). He's thrown 33 three times (00,09,10), which is the second highest total of his career. He also threw for 4700 yards last year, the highest of his career.

He had a couple of really bad games that put a dent on his stats. He was dealing with a revolving door of injuries and a bad o-line with no run game. Not making excuses, just stating facts. Overall, he was spectacular as usual. Yeah it was his lowest rating sine 02, but like I said, it was a couple of games that dragged him down. Besides, 03-09 are a collection of some of the greatest passer ratings ever. He was still a fantastic QB last year.

EIGHT of Manning's 17 picks last year came in the SD and Dallas games (4 each). So he basically had half of his season picks in those two games. He threw 4 TD's total in those two games. So that means he threw for 29 TDs and just 9 picks in the other 14 games. See, overall he was superb last season. Not his best season ever, but still a pretty darn good one. A typical Manning one. If weren't for those two godawful games then he would have had a QB rating in the mid-high 90's.

There was no reason to think Manning was on the downside last year.

Have the Pats started planning for life without Brady? He's only 17 months younger than Peyton, you know.

Of course they have ever since he tore his ACL/MCL 3 years ago. Belichick isn't attached to anyone if he can find someone younger and better than Brady he'll dump him ASAP.

They think ahead and plan for everyone.

The Colts clearly have not otherwise we wouldn't be having this problem right now.

They didn't even ask him to take a physical before signing that contract how stupid are they for that?