tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30832682.post2694770274189727615..comments2017-12-13T01:09:28.429-05:00Comments on Joanne Mattera Art Blog: Marketing Mondays: CareerismJoanne Matteranoreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30832682.post-3552927119097889872009-04-15T03:31:00.000-04:002009-04-15T03:31:00.000-04:00This certainly is an interesting question.
I used ...This certainly is an interesting question.<br />I used to work as a financial officer for an art association in the Netherlands. The artist always treated me with a little contempt, because I wasn't an artist but just 'did the money', but every one of them thought it important that their work got sold and if it did were very eager to get their money asap, they would have liked to get it the day Margeethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16241811293827991932noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30832682.post-6713260975398353322009-04-03T12:34:00.000-04:002009-04-03T12:34:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Terryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06709683518897702916noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30832682.post-91529265491941841122009-04-03T10:51:00.000-04:002009-04-03T10:51:00.000-04:00Thanks, Anon, for your comment.Imagine how ridicul...Thanks, Anon, for your comment.<BR/>Imagine how ridiculous it would be if we applied your friend's outmoded thinking to other careers:<BR/><BR/>. A talented dentist with a thriving practice because she does good work and provides follow-up care. Sellout or good dentist?<BR/><BR/>. A brilliant opera singer who performs regularly, and to critical acclaim, at the Met (and whose appearances, not Joanne Matterahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02564594823192456546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30832682.post-17725072787158748452009-04-03T10:50:00.000-04:002009-04-03T10:50:00.000-04:00Although not familiar with the word 'careerism,' I...Although not familiar with the word 'careerism,' I know the phrase 'selling out.' <BR/>After telling a friend (who's yet to give herself permission to make art) recently about the enormous Dale Chilhuly sculpture at a CT casino, her reply was, 'oh, so he sold-out.'<BR/>My response was, "no, he was just commissioned to do a sculpture."<BR/>My definition of selling out is if you make art not for Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30832682.post-19753604998886946502009-04-01T14:05:00.000-04:002009-04-01T14:05:00.000-04:00EAG,That's the one. Thanks. Folks, two responses a...EAG,<BR/>That's the one. Thanks. Folks, two responses above you'll find the link to the comic I was thinking of.<BR/><BR/>And, Terry, I totally agree with you. I was just lamenting, as EAG's comic says visually and succinctly, that without the marketing component a life's work may find a sad end.Joanne Matterahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02564594823192456546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30832682.post-47067015616744896672009-04-01T13:58:00.000-04:002009-04-01T13:58:00.000-04:00I believe the path of the artist is a unique one a...I believe the path of the artist is a unique one and our culture ask us to wear many hats in order to be financially successful and make our work. I know many artists who make wonderful work but just don't have the personality to go after the exposure they deserve. In my eyes this does not make them hobbyist any more than selling thousands of dollars worth of art every year would make them Terryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06709683518897702916noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30832682.post-75048922199442144512009-04-01T11:28:00.000-04:002009-04-01T11:28:00.000-04:00I couldn't find it either. I must have lost it whe...I couldn't find it either. I must have lost it when I switched over from livejournal. I just did a new version and posted it on my blog. I am not sure how to post an image in a blog comment. Here is the link. <BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://eageageag.blogspot.com/2009/04/purity.html" REL="nofollow">Purity</A>eageageaghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02264515780209171036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30832682.post-62076953534191509412009-04-01T10:06:00.000-04:002009-04-01T10:06:00.000-04:00Yes, the dumpster one. It so relates to the exact ...Yes, the dumpster one. It so relates to the exact situation I describe.Joanne Matterahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02564594823192456546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30832682.post-17137053235353874362009-04-01T09:46:00.000-04:002009-04-01T09:46:00.000-04:00You mean the dumpster one or a different one? Desc...You mean the dumpster one or a different one? Describe it and I will find it for you. I haven't deleted any of them.eageageaghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02264515780209171036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30832682.post-70670973445239299652009-03-31T20:58:00.000-04:002009-03-31T20:58:00.000-04:00A few thoughts:. I love Deborah's story about the ...A few thoughts:<BR/><BR/>. I love Deborah's story about the "secret course" at RISD that provided career information.<BR/><BR/>. Namastenancy says: "Maybe I'm just being pragmatic because if you haven't 'made it' by 65, it's not very likely that you will." Interesting. What exactly constitutes making it? I'm going to post that topic in a future Marketing Modays post. Thanks. <BR/><BR/>. Eva says:Joanne Matterahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02564594823192456546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30832682.post-18450975413695780982009-03-31T09:07:00.000-04:002009-03-31T09:07:00.000-04:00Having never set foot in an art class (at least no...Having never set foot in an art class (at least not since 8th grade) my mind hasn't been filled with romantically self-destructive ideas like trying to be an artist uninterested in making a career as an artist.<BR/><BR/>Joanne, your questions makes me ask a variation of your questions -- Is it possible to be an artist without being interested in developing a career as an artist?<BR/><BR/>I think,Rob Hitzighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12213131293368857479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30832682.post-54578068935150662912009-03-31T08:56:00.000-04:002009-03-31T08:56:00.000-04:00Hi Joanne- You ask, &quot;does age make a differen...Hi Joanne- You ask, &quot;does age make a difference in the perception of careerism? That is, are mid-career artists still clinging to outdated and negative notions about self promotion, ambition and success?&quot; Although it shouldn&#39;t, I think age does make a difference in the openness and ability to share that mid-career artists seem to have. I have struggled for years with the ideas Deborahhttp://deborahcolter.com/in-the-studio/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30832682.post-10704731895274888522009-03-31T07:44:00.000-04:002009-03-31T07:44:00.000-04:00I think the answer to your question, "If you're dr...I think the answer to your question, "If you're driven but ethical, is it still careerism?" lies in the studio. <BR/><BR/>If you're making art that you care about and that is truly a reflection of your experience, then you're fine. <BR/><BR/>If you are making a particular kind of art because you think it might sell, or it has sold, or it fits someone else's mold (a curator, a particular show, aCatherine Carterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00436800214622635920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30832682.post-59699387650082063742009-03-31T00:23:00.000-04:002009-03-31T00:23:00.000-04:00Joanne, this is a great topic and very timely with...Joanne, this is a great topic and very timely with regard to the economy.<BR/>I believe that as artists, personal integrity is all we have. We may have talent. We may have great ideas. And we may have ambition.<BR/>I do think promotion is necessary but this subject (for me) brings to mind the 'wave' of artists who produce multiple copy giclee prints and reproductions on canvas - hoping to sell Ian MacLeodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12156358530437628328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30832682.post-26940311618414072452009-03-30T22:36:00.000-04:002009-03-30T22:36:00.000-04:00Camille Paglia defended Sarah Palin...SARAH PALIN!...Camille Paglia defended Sarah Palin...SARAH PALIN! 'nuf said forever.eageageaghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02264515780209171036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30832682.post-30896874391787300052009-03-30T19:58:00.000-04:002009-03-30T19:58:00.000-04:00I sure wish there had been more talk -heck, ANY ta...I sure wish there had been more talk -heck, ANY talk - of a career when I went to art school. How you were to make a living was not a topic that ever came up. I think it was accepted that the men would paint and the women would support them by working as waitresses and secretaries. There wasn't a lot of support for women artists in the 60's (at least in SF) and if there was any, I sure missed it.namastenancyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12116290968007398337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30832682.post-69963252108194888632009-03-30T18:44:00.000-04:002009-03-30T18:44:00.000-04:00These words still exist: Who does she think she is...These words still exist: <I>Who does she think she is?</I> Isn't there a new film called exactly that, about women artists?<BR/><BR/>I don't think you stop hearing that until you are all wrinkled and shriveled up and then they can all say "Oh but we always liked her! So influential!" But I digress (and of course I am joking a little too)....<BR/><BR/>Careerism is a dirty word when you are living Evahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04526963554623770078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30832682.post-8463461761057470782009-03-30T16:32:00.000-04:002009-03-30T16:32:00.000-04:00Honestly, I'd like to keep this a Camille Paglia-f...Honestly, I'd like to keep this a Camille Paglia-free zone.Joanne Matterahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02564594823192456546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30832682.post-49069992797894755152009-03-30T15:50:00.000-04:002009-03-30T15:50:00.000-04:00Careerism = ambition(2) + ethics(1)... I see gend...Careerism = ambition(2) + ethics(1)... <BR/><BR/>I see gender as a possible factor here. And if so, then age (or age as the passage of time) as well, because attitudes and trends do change over time. One consideration may be that successful, professional, career-focused women are more prevalent now than in any other time in history. The polished resumes and well-crafted proposals may actually Kate Beckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13706010003235949420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30832682.post-61717282885292818442009-03-30T15:04:00.000-04:002009-03-30T15:04:00.000-04:00I graduated Art School in 1988 and spent the next ...I graduated Art School in 1988 and spent the next dozen years slowly unwinding the brainwashing of professors who did not need to make a living selling their art but believe in this rarely attainable ideal of being an artist. Hey no curators, gallery owners, or art critics came to my shack in the woods so I finally realized I needed to get out there.<BR><BR/>For over a dozen years I have made a Stephanie Sachshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11377131627540380362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30832682.post-6777190915644440722009-03-30T12:14:00.000-04:002009-03-30T12:14:00.000-04:00Careerism has always had the connotation in my min...Careerism has always had the connotation in my mind of marketing the work despite the quality/integrity of the work so that&#39;s my benchmark, if the work is good, then promote, promote, promote! Although there is also the more subtle questions about if you can promote your work yourself while you are working with commercial galleries and the perception of quality in relation to scarcity and Donna Dodsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17068704959733467515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30832682.post-13144244690934623242009-03-30T11:47:00.000-04:002009-03-30T11:47:00.000-04:00Those artists who are accused of careerism are usu...Those artists who are accused of careerism are usually successful enough that they don't have to worry about or do not pay attention to criticisms they receive. In terms of art school, there should definitely be a very practical art business course that is required in every MFA program. How can it hurt? Will it pollute the purity of the students' creative urges? I don't think so. It would be eageageaghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02264515780209171036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30832682.post-78134906599062102932009-03-30T10:43:00.000-04:002009-03-30T10:43:00.000-04:00At my school there wasn't much talk about careers....At my school there wasn't much talk about careers. My professors mostly talked about "doing the work". It was "work, work, work and keep working." At the end of my senior year, I asked my painting Professor "What now?" He said "Keep painting... you'll be all right... what about grad school, teaching?" Among my friends and peers, who were mostly from NYC, it was talk about getting a studio/Billhttp://www.billsantelli.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30832682.post-15514604949628203612009-03-30T10:32:00.000-04:002009-03-30T10:32:00.000-04:00Thanks for posting this. At Artful Home we are st...Thanks for posting this. At Artful Home we are starting an emerging artist program, and talking to schools around the country. To some professors, you would think we were talking about trying to kill the arts, to kill the creative process. Marketing one's work is critical to artists in all fields, whether the activity is liked or not. The better the marketing, the more time for the artist to lisa baynehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00931164074030089488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30832682.post-3481484701633709102009-03-30T10:19:00.000-04:002009-03-30T10:19:00.000-04:00Oh boy! I understand this! I heard those professor...Oh boy! I understand this! I heard those professors’ voices back in the late 70's. Ha! I remember during a grad school seminar, the M.F.A. candidates were humiliated just for wanting that degree. I too thought like you. (Ah...hey buddy. You already have an M.F.A. so shut up!)<BR/><BR/>Coming from that era has made it challenging to embrace the art career ways of today. I have been online since Sheree Renselhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04950399494568831822noreply@blogger.com