HillTopWV

I wonder how many lies the Edgars can tell in these letters before it starts having a negative impact on their time off from purgatory they get for writing these political letters. Apparently they think they get a lot of freebies on violating the “bearing false witness” commandment.

ContraryOne

KalvaChomer

Have you been watching the PBS series "The Abolitionists" HillTop ? Was that movement predominently "single issue" ? While some of the notables were active in and spoke to other issues, like the temperance movement, they are most noted for their advocacy for an end to slavery. Some, I would imagine, were wholly devoted to that cause. Should their efforts to address what they perceived to be the greatest evil of their day now be seen as pompous whining ? Many embraced the misery and death brought by the resulting war as inevitable and necessary to the culmination of their cause. Should we judge that as a sign that their cause was illegitimate ? Slavery was as legal then as abortion is today - does that make one moral and the other not ?

KalvaChomer

If the Edgar's chose to crank out a letter a day to be published here on each of the issues you imply they have no concern about, would the paper be likely to publish them all ? This is a "limited" resource they choose to use for the issue they feel most passionately about. Do you know that they don't speak to these other issues in other ways, and in other forums, such as a letter to a representative, or a LTE in another paper ? Is it a proper concern for you what they write about ? Have they ever written a letter concerning the the imbalance of your comments toward the bashing of faith ?

KalvaChomer

How does your naturalistic philosophy justify abortion, the purposeful ending of a pregnancy, with the fact that many pregnancies end spontaneously ? In the days when many born children died in early childhood, was that considered reason to allow the killing of some who remained healthy because nature "did it too" - or did societies and science seek to overcome it ? Should the efforts, such as the charity March of Dimes, shut down the fight to address birth defects just because it is a "natural" occurance ?

HillTopWV

I did not “try” to show the Edgars inconsistent, I proved that they are. Their concern for human life only goes as far is their right-wing politics and warped religion allow. They cry crocodile tears for fertilized eggs and undeveloped fetuses which can neither know nor feel anything, and use the abortion controversy as a partisan weapon reaching far beyond just abortion.

For another example: the Republicans have been willing to sacrifice the future of ALL life on the entire planet for the profits of a few by resisting ANY effort to mitigate the long-term effects of global warming. Yet the Edgars are primarily concerned about making sure all fertilized eggs are born, and they think the best way to do that is to elect Republicans and support the entire Republican political platform (e.g., capital punishment, guns for everyone, wars, abuse of the environment, neglect of the poor, profits before people, etc.) regardless of the impact on humanity.

HillTopWV

The abolitionists were trying to end ACTUAL human suffering and injustice. Anti-abortion extremists make the unsubstantiated and religion-based assertion that fertilized eggs and undeveloped fetuses in the bodies of women (or in petri dishes) are separate and wholly human beings whose right to be born is superior to the woman's right to decide whether or not to give birth, regardless of the woman's or fetus's health, level of development, or the circumstances of the conception.

The Edgars and their holier-than-thou brethren are not competent to make reproductive choices for other people.

HillTopWV

The Edgars clearly are NOT concerned about the other issues I mentioned because they demand political loyalty ONLY to the politicians and political party which promise to end abortion, regardless of their position on ANY other question of political or moral importance.

The Edgars and their ilk have hitched their wagon to the Republican party, are willing to go wherever the Republican party takes them, are ready to lie repeatedly for their cause, and insist everyone else do likewise or be branded “baby killers.”

They have perverted their “moral” cause into merely a political one, and made their cause morally bankrupt, as has the Christian Right generally.

HillTopWV

You cannot just leap to equating fertilized eggs and undeveloped fetuses to actual born children or adults. It is a dishonest and false comparison, so making it is a waste of time.

If the comparatively few induced abortions are a “holocaust” requiring radical political action, as the Edgars like to claim, I would expect someone who believes what the Edgars do about fertilized eggs and fetuses to describe and react to the phenomenal number of natural abortions with even greater horror and urgency. But they don't.

KalvaChomer

Then you say "The Edgars clearly are NOT concerned about the other issues I mentioned because they demand political loyalty ONLY to the politicians and political party which promise to end abortion, regardless of their position on ANY other question of political or moral importance."

This right after sermonizing on on your own religion with "For another example: the Republicans have been willing to sacrifice the future of ALL life on the entire planet for the profits of a few by resisting ANY effort to mitigate the long-term effects of global warming."

KalvaChomer

"The Edgars and their ilk have hitched their wagon to the Republican party ..."

And to whose party is our wagon hitched ? Any if the Edgar's "are ready to lie repeatedly for their cause, and insist everyone else do likewise or be branded “baby killers.” Are you not just as ready to lie for Al Gore and insist everyone else do likewise or be labeled "deniers" - a term meant to equate them with holocaust deniers ?

"You cannot just leap to equating fertilized eggs and undeveloped fetuses to actual born children or adults."

Why ? Do you know a single person who did begin their "life" as a fertilized egg and then an undeveloped fetus " ?

KalvaChomer

"The Edgars and their ilk have hitched their wagon to the Republican party ..."

And to whose party is our wagon hitched ? Any if the Edgar's "are ready to lie repeatedly for their cause, and insist everyone else do likewise or be branded “baby killers.” Are you not just as ready to lie for Al Gore and insist everyone else do likewise or be labeled "deniers" - a term meant to equate them with holocaust deniers ?

KalvaChomer

"...I would expect someone who believes what the Edgars do about fertilized eggs and fetuses to describe and react to the phenomenal number of natural abortions with even greater horror and urgency."

Why should they ? If their faith in God accepts it as His will, how is it different from your "naturalism" accepting it as a natural occurance ? What have you done to address it ? Why wouldn;t be just as incumbet on you since you seem obessed with it ?

realitycheck

Looks like the Edgars hit a nerve with a few. I have never seen anything like the hate that is directed toward these people for simply expressing their views. Some of you act if the Edgars were forcing something on you. Such intolerance and yet some folks express support for the likes of Bill Ayers, Bernadine Dohrn and others of that "ilk". If the Edgars are tied to the Republicans and Ayers and Dohrn are joined at the hip with the Democrats, GUESS WHO I CHOOSE TO STAND WITH.

realitycheck

"the Republicans have been willing to sacrifice the future of ALL life on the entire planet for the profits of a few by resisting ANY effort to mitigate the long-term effects of global warming."

Hilltop, you never disappoint, you are a real piece of work. Now the Republicans are going to wipe out mankind, that takes your level of stupidity to new heights. Question, are you trying to position yourself as a possible VP on the Biden ticket?

deadhead

If you think abortion is wrong. Don't have one. But - you have zero right to impose your own morals or views on anyone else so long as their actions do not infrnge upon your own personal liberty. STAY OUT of the VAGINAS of women!!! You are not welcome. Keep your opposition to yourself. The argument is over. ABORTION IS LEGAL. It is always a choice. It needs to be legal, safe and rare. But since the woman owns the vagina and the womb, they get to make the choice on what to do with their body and life.

KalvaChomer

Yeah, right ! While the left has you brainwashed into believing that a "theocracy" is right around the corner, they convince you that the control they seek over every aspect of day-to-day life, such as seat belt laws, sin-taxes, what kind of light bulb you can buy, control over your health care, etc. etc., is all for your own good and you buy it. Next time you are on the road, watch for those signs that say "Click-it or Ticket". Then watch for a sign that says "Pray or Pay". When you see the latter, let me know and I'll join your Christian-bashing club.

KalvaChomer

To borrow a sentiment from Sir Walter Raleigh: Of all sad words of tongue or pen, the saddest are these - if you don't like abortion, don't have one. Couldn't we say the same for the killing of abortion doctors - if you disagree with it, then don't kill them. I've seen that foolishness on bumper stickers. Imagine a wagon headed west to Kansas territory in 1855 with a family and their 10 slaves in tow and a sign on the back of the wagon saying: If you don't like slavery, don't own any slaves ! The Jim Crow states of the South said pretty much the same thing during the civil rights movement. They were happy to let the northeners run their affairs as they wished and they wanted to run their southern states as they saw fit. I don't remember anyone being stymied by a slogan such as: If you dont like segregation, don't segregate ! It is a mighty poor mind that would entertain such an argument.