Flies buzz around human remains poking through the dusty earth in the Iraqi town of Dhuluiyah, 90 kilometres (55 miles) north of Baghdad, at a hastily-dug pit containing the bodies of dozens of IS fighters killed in 2015. “They should have ended up in the stomachs of stray dogs,” local police officer Mohammed al-Juburi told AFP. “We buried them here not out of love but because we wanted to avoid diseases.” . . . “We could have thrown them into the water, but we love the river too much to pollute it,” said the local policeman, who lost his own brother in the violence. “The people here as well as their animals drink from the Tigris.” Locals finally decided to dig a mass grave for the fighters—but they said they refused to honor them with Islamic rites.

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The Religion of Dissonancetag:https:,2017:/forum.samharris.org/forum/viewthread/.701792017-08-21T02:54:53Z1970-01-01T00:00:00ZDumaya
I need something reconciled — something that has gnawed away at me, like a splinter in my mind, ever since first running afoul of the mind-mulching quandary it presents. It relates to the following, two, oft spouted, du jour memes — relating to the Islamic strain of the Avrahamic, idolatrous, sky-god worshipping cults:

1.ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF PEACE.

2.ISLAMIC TERRORISM / VIOLENCE, MOSTLY AFFECTS MOSLEMS.

*po-faced silence*

To clarify (in the remote case that someone does not ‘get’ what I’m getting at here):HOW CAN A RELIGION THAT CLEARLY, ADMITTEDLY, HISTORICALLY AND STATISTICALLY POSES A GREATER RISK TO THOSE CONTAINED WITHIN ITS OWN, HOMOGENEOUS BIOME, ALSO PURPORT TO BE PEDDLING A DOCTRINE ROOTED IN PEACEABLE COMMUNION — MUCH LESS, WHEN RELATING TO THE WIDER, NON ADHERENT WORLD?

Anyone…?

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Islam is next on the listtag:https:,2017:/forum.samharris.org/forum/viewthread/.701572017-08-17T19:24:15Z1970-01-01T00:00:00ZSkipshot
With all the kerfuffle over Nazis in Charlottesville, VA lately, I would like to remind Islam that the watchful eye of speech inciting violence is highly focused and will be trained on Islam, too. No more religious protections for speech inciting violence. All that stuff about killing Jews, infidels, and apostates isn’t cool anymore. OK?
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Ex-Muslim Seeking Helptag:https:,2017:/forum.samharris.org/forum/viewthread/.701082017-08-08T00:06:18Z2017-08-08T00:35:08ZSecularSociety
Hi everyone, give this a look. I love seeing this, gives one hope for the next generation.

In the last Friday’s sermon, this peaceful Muslim Imam tells his congregation about how all Muslims, not only Palestinians or Syrians, will be called upon to kill all the Jews on “the last day.” For the uninformed, this message is nurtured daily multiple times by reciting how Jews have incurred Allah’s wrath and therefore condemned in the ubiquitous prayer called “Al Fatiha”. The first chapter in Qur’an. Is it any wonder the Mosques are terrorist breeding grounds!

I was at a funeral past weekend. Christians recited “the Lord’s Prayer”. I paid attention to the words. It was a spiritual collective recitation. Though the words did not resonate with me, I felt the humanity in somber tone without any references to other religions or faiths. This is NOT the case in Islam. Islam takes every opportunity to condemn Jews, Christians.

Why does such ideology get a pass in the west? Is it not a cultural suicide?

Thus is merely a du jour example of the “acid attack” epidemic that is belatedly being revealed as gripping European countries (among others) who accept, house and commune with people who designate themselves as Moslems. For further elaboration on this seeming endemic problem, refer to this short exposé: The Rise of Acid Attacks in the UK: VICE Reports (YouTube)

Which leads me to my question:Does a “tipping point” exist, whereat nations accept, address and work to redress the inherent virulent misogyny and underlying malevolence contained in Islamic doctrine?

It is unarguably clear that violent predilections do exist within text contained in The Holy Qu’ran. This is an assayable, buttressable, irrefutable fact, and no debate implying the contrary should ever be entertained — lest it legitimises said ‘strain’ of Avrahamic sky-god worship through its discourse. Having said that, it is indeed a professed Moslem’s interpretation of the religious tenets in question (eisegesis), that gives rise to the primordial barbarism that we see exhibited in corporeal form today. Herein lies the rub: How to reconcile a scripture that is dubbed “the infallible word of God”, with its antiquated, bellicose prescriptions…(?)

There is a notional “tipping point” for Islamic influence within a dar al-Harb society (lit. a non Islamic society within which Moslem exist / coëxist), that is often cited as five percent (5%) of the total populace. Once this threshold is reached, Moslems are said to become both emboldened and empowered enough to begin making demands that they would otherwise not have the sway to impose — e.g., Islamic jurisprudence / Shari’ah law. If, for argument’s sake — and given the U.K. and France have surpassed this so-called precipice (6.1 and 8.3%, respectively), and thus serve to reënforce this hypothesis — we take this measure as a starting point; then factor in “ISIS” (or the like) extremism; those who interpret the religious scripture verbatim-literally (i.e., without vetting its ‘less savoury’ aspects, in line with the prescriptions of the societies they inhabit); those who are otherwise motivated, perhaps on impulse, to enact the more belligerent elements of the dogma (e.g., jilted lovers; filial ‘honour’ punishments); and those who carry tumultuous baggage from their previous lives (e.g., PTSD afflicted immigrants from war-torn origins) — is it not an inordinate risk to import peoples who are statistically [more] likely to fall into one or more of the aforecited anti-social categories?

When will we develop the gumption to call a spade a spade, and to start addressing issues that plague us—in order to find redress? How long can we bury our heads to the correlation of malignant ideologies, to the malicious acts they—at very least—inspire? And what of the arrant lack of acknowledgement, that once the neural pathways are wrought in the human brain (@ ~25 years), it is impracticable (if not impossible) to ‘re-wire’ peoples’ predispositions — does this scientific fact, alone, not negate any ensuing “integration” or “assimilation” arguments…?

Thought for the day:If, as is forever promulgated, the overwhelming majority of ‘Islam related’ violence is indeed directed at Moslems [themselves], and not at non Moslems (*accepted statistical fact), then how can Islam be the “religion of peace” — as its actions and dispositions are so often mollified with, by its apologists? That is, given the clear implication that Moslems cannot exist in peace, even within their own, homogeneous biome — much less, when they find themselves in non Islamic societies; wherein their proselytising bent default renders Moslems in a state of perpetual jihad (“struggle”) — how can such an ideology be one of equanimity, and not one of eradication—of all those who fail to cede to its whims…?

quote: “But Kemp’s stunning admission that these figures on the number of jihadists may be vastly understated lends evidence to the claim that the extent of the threat in the UK may exceed authorities’ ability to deal with it.

The pace of terror attacks in the UK this year has been staggering.”

Can UK jihadists travel to U.S. as tourists, business people, students, religious teachers etc.? Anything on their passport/visa to inform U.S. security?

question: What happens when the number of jihadists ‘exceed authorities ability to deal with it?’

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Outspoken Female Muslims (In light of most recent episode)tag:https:,2017:/forum.samharris.org/forum/viewthread/.698722017-06-10T02:07:19Z1970-01-01T00:00:00Ztonycatman
We all try to take care not to be seen as sexist, racist, or xxx..phobic.

However, in the light of a BBC podcast I heard a few weeks ago, numerous youtube videos, and an unpleasant recent experience, I’ve come to an unavoidable conclusion.

Almost without exception, Muslim women who are outspoken are really, really dim. Dim to the extent that they aren’t worth talking to. Dim to the extent that they aren’t worth listening to.

Conversely, those who have escaped Islam seem to be among the smartest people you can meet.

Is Islam actively causing women to switch off their cognitive faculties, or is this the result of a thousand years of selective breeding ?