BaldBeardyDude wrote:Surely this is again, a matter of consent? - they are your childs fingerprints after all and if they do not consent to give them, how can they be 'forced' to do it?

I am deffo home-schooling my little one, no way they get their claws into her!

unfortunately bud been speaking to a few gypsy friends of mine and if the children dont attend then they get seriously screwed and even have had children removed from their custody! scary scary shit!i asked my nephew the other day if he had to put his finger on a machine like the laptop recognition thing i had and he said no a girl in my class had to tho! straight to my sister what the fuck is going on there then she said ahhh it was just to show them what the police done get them whilst they're young is a shitty statement made by the police get them whilst theyre in the womb is even worse made by our x pm!children dont have the understanding as adults do they are innocent and uncorrupt and accept that older people are right rather then challenging it!now that 1 person has done a finger scan how many others will want to line up and try it to see themselves on the screen?my bet is most of the school!curriosity made the cat die noseyness is part of human nature!

In rolling out identity cards, the Government also intends to focus attention on young people, for whom they will act as a proof of age, helping prove an individual's right to enter premises or buy goods

these cards will benefit young people who, on average, have to prove their age more than twice as often as adults and I want to make that process simple and secure."

The Government will also be looking at options which could allow pensioners aged 75 and over to receive an identity card free of charge

from 25 November 2008 compulsory identity cards began to be issued to foreign nationals who come to the UK to work or study; in the first half of 2009 contracts were awarded for application and enrolment, biometrics storage systems and the production of passports; before the end of this year voluntary identity cards will be issued to airside workers - starting with an 18 month evaluation at Manchester and London City airports. Volunteers in Greater Manchester will also be given the chance to enrol for the first identity cards. A further contract will be signed to cover production of cards for the medium term; from early 2010, identity cards will be issued on a voluntary basis to residents in the North West; and from 2011/12 identity cards will roll out to the wider population on an entirely voluntary basis

so that's all under 25, over 75, foreigners, some airport staff and all those who think they are a good idea, how many does that leave to fight against them?

What is going to make people get these is that in all the shops they are going to refuse to take your credit or debit cars without showing the ID card because the banks are going to demand this. Is this the real reason why the banks do nothing about credit card fraud.

If you're scared of 'them' poisoning 'us' with some shit then maybe you haven't noticed the shit they are already poisoning us with.- prajna- fmotl.co.uk forum 2011

What is going to make people get these is that in all the shops they are going to refuse to take your credit or debit cars without showing the ID card because the banks are going to demand this. Is this the real reason why the banks do nothing about credit card fraud.

The more I think about it, the more I am convinced you are right, Farmer.

No doubt it'll be 'for our own best interests' and 'to prevent fraud' - they still won't stop the biggest fraudsters, however. BoE and the Rothroyals will still be raking it....

They must find it hard to take Truth for authority who have so long mistaken Authority for Truth - Gerald Massey

I bet this is being pushed through so the conservatives can say "well its already had so much money spent on it, lets try it out and see what happens" when they get into power. I am never going to get one; they can go to hell.

One thing that was made very clear to me by my parents, being German and living through the Nazi period, was that you give as little information to the government or anyone else as possible. The standard reply is: mind your own business.

There are two things that I never forget:

1. The Dutch introduced ID cards in 1933. The Nazis then used them to round up the Jews.2. Every government/country so far that has banned guns from its populations have later started killing their own people. So far Britain and Australia are the only exceptions; but its early days yet. The longest period it took from memory was in China, being either 30 or 50 years. When the Nazis got into power in Germany, banning guns was one of the first things they did.

If you're scared of 'them' poisoning 'us' with some shit then maybe you haven't noticed the shit they are already poisoning us with.- prajna- fmotl.co.uk forum 2011

I've just seen the new design for the ID card...... big who ha about it not having the Union Flag on it BUT nobody posting mentions the fact that it has the Serpent Cult's coat of arms taking up a large amount of space!! One might ask why it is necessary to have this on our passports and now ID cards? In my opinion the Union Flag issue is just a divide and conquer tactic to deflect from the main issue.

Matt Delooze will certainly have something to say about the symbolism (if he hasn't already) - it probably channels energy to them so they can grow and fester. Any thoughts on the alternative meaning to the coat of arms?