I want to start out by thanking Judgement Day and the whole Athletix team for allowing me to log this.

I got my bottle of Licogenix in on the 8th. Didnt get it till late afternoon so I decided to wait till the 9th to start dosing. Interested to try this out because it has so many extra benefits other than just being an AI.

Diet:
I have been doing Lean Gains. So far it has been working well. It suits me well and seems to help with my goals. On lifting days I will take in more carbs. Try and keep my food selection Paleo when it suits me. Definitely not hardcore into the Paleo. I have to have my Jasmine rice.

Training is always changing. I have a hard time picking one method to the madness. Right now I feel like Dorian Yates Blood and Guts will be fun to try out. I tend to excel at lower volume workouts. The only bad thing is my workout partner is a high volume junkie. Will have to reign him in as far as sets and number of exercises. We usually see eye to eye when it comes to lifting. I swear he is probably one of the fierest competitors when it comes to lifting. No matter what I lift he tries to match or better it.

Cardio will be done when possible. Most likely on nonlifting days and days where I do chest/biceps and shoulders/triceps. I dont like the idea of doing cardio on days I do legs or back. Plus it will be done when I wake up in a fasted state.

FINAL REVIEW:
Ok time for the final review. I suck at these just a fair warning.

Strength on this was very good. Seemed to add weight on my lift each week. Basically had to guess what I was going to use each workout it was increasing that much. In addition to strength I really seemed to harden up. More muscular than I thought possible in such a short time on an AI. Seemed like the gda properties helped keep me lean when I woke up after killing some carbs post workout in the PM.

The thing that set this apart most though was the joint pain. I didnt have any. Which anyone who runs AIs knows it is a fine line between being effective and killing joints. This alone makes it worth a shot in my book.

Would be interested to see how it performed at a higher dosing for an extended period of time.

Hey for the lean gains how do you have the set up, like when I did it I had a pre-workout meal, than 2 meals after, but I see a lot of guys doing a fasted workout on it, are you doing fasted workouts?

Right now I have only been doing 2 large post workout meals. Before my workout I will drink some BCAAs. Will start sipping on BCAAs during cardio too. Dont like the full feeling when I lift. Plus when I break my fast all bets are off. I try to eat healthy/lean things first to help satisfy that intial craving.

lemme know about your joints homie.... erase dried my knees out so bad that im still achy and its been three months since last cycle...

Ya Erase even low dose can do a number on my joints. Mainly my elbows get effected. So far no complaints.

Originally Posted by JudgementDay

aha don't be ashamed of your weights, your a powerhouse Tom!

I WAS a powerhouse maybe haha.

Originally Posted by madds87

yeah tom, your a powerhouse bro. no worries dog.

Maybe in a little while I can claim that status again. In fact this girl at a party I went to brough it up. Basically these guys were slapping the HELL out of her little booty. Later we were standing around talking while smoking a hookah. She asked me not to spank her ass. I point blank said I feel bad for you haha. She is a petite girl and they were getting some solid shots in. She said "thanks because I have seen you on Facebook." All I could think about is the fact I am so weak now haha.

Today I went to the gym and did about 30 minutes on the ellitpical. Get that blood flowing to aid in recovery. I was 25 plus minutes into it and out of the corner of my eye I see this petite woman standing at the door. Had been watching her the whole time. Only decent looking female there. She had left her keyes so I hopped off and got them for her. Get back to the machine and it had completely restarted. I did another 2 minutes and said screw it.

Alright now fastforward to the party. Decided I was going to be healthy. Took with me an apple, tuna, and almonds. Was planning on not drinking, but ended up playing one game of beer pong so no big deal. Still in my 8 hour window. At the end of it all they decide to go to Waffle House. I am driving home and before I get to the light that Waffle House the light turns red. I took it as a sign to go to Waffle House. Was tempted to eat, but decided it wasnt worth it. I would say the night turned alright.

Ya Erase even low dose can do a number on my joints. Mainly my elbows get effected. So far no complaints.

I WAS a powerhouse maybe haha.

Maybe in a little while I can claim that status again. In fact this girl at a party I went to brough it up. Basically these guys were slapping the HELL out of her little booty. Later we were standing around talking while smoking a hookah. She asked me not to spank her ass. I point blank said I feel bad for you haha. She is a petite girl and they were getting some solid shots in. She said "thanks because I have seen you on Facebook." All I could think about is the fact I am so weak now haha.

Today I went to the gym and did about 30 minutes on the ellitpical. Get that blood flowing to aid in recovery. I was 25 plus minutes into it and out of the corner of my eye I see this petite woman standing at the door. Had been watching her the whole time. Only decent looking female there. She had left her keyes so I hopped off and got them for her. Get back to the machine and it had completely restarted. I did another 2 minutes and said screw it.

Alright now fastforward to the party. Decided I was going to be healthy. Took with me an apple, tuna, and almonds. Was planning on not drinking, but ended up playing one game of beer pong so no big deal. Still in my 8 hour window. At the end of it all they decide to go to Waffle House. I am driving home and before I get to the light that Waffle House the light turns red. I took it as a sign to go to Waffle House. Was tempted to eat, but decided it wasnt worth it. I would say the night turned alright.

awful waffle! that stuff is heartattack city.... good though....
you should told the girl bend over anyway, and take it!

I know the hash browns were calling out to me. Last time I went to a breakfast place the burned the hell out of my hash browns too. There was no way I could eat them.

Originally Posted by miniarnold

Your muscles dont know what weights there lifting, they just know when there being maximally worked and stimulated, forget whats on the bar its how you lift it mate

I know it just sucks knowing how strong I have been in the past. Trust me I made the most of the weights I used. Used the Dorian Yates trick of the never ending "just one more rep" haha.

Originally Posted by miniarnold

How much ursobolic do you take daily and do you get a definate leaning effect from it??, did zero for me

Well I try to take 2 Fat-Free(has Ursobolic Acid in it), but sometimes I only get in one. Plus I take 5 and 5 for a total of 10 of the Epharm brand. By no means a mega dose like I have seen others use. I am hoping I am one of the lucky/unlucky people.

Just got home a little bit ago from the gym. It was a damn good workout, but I feel like I still have more left in me. The workout definitely destroyed my workout partner. He seemed a bit out of it afterwards.

Leg ext
Leg press 630*16, this made it clear we need to do legs when it is a dead day
Hack squats 230*9, leg knee popped and I set the weight down haha

The workout took longer than I would like. I want it to be balls to the wall huffing and puffing. My cardio is not what it should be. So I should be dying. Old men with hair problems made us wait on the hack squat machine.

omg now you have me craving those tiny hash browns from buger king Been so long since I've had any.

Originally Posted by CaptHowdy5150

Mmmmm, hash browns....

Haha you bunch of fatties. I had to fight the urge to not order any food. One the stuff is VERY unhealthy TWO it was past my feeding window. It was funny to watch the girls somehow consistently drop food on themselves.

Tomorrow after cardio I am swinging by a friend's house to pick up some beef casserole that is low carb. Will probably eat that as part of my 2nd meal.

Haha you bunch of fatties. I had to fight the urge to not order any food. One the stuff is VERY unhealthy TWO it was past my feeding window. It was funny to watch the girls somehow consistently drop food on themselves.

Tomorrow after cardio I am swinging by a friend's house to pick up some beef casserole that is low carb. Will probably eat that as part of my 2nd meal.

Tomorrow morning I'm going to get those mini hashbrowns at burger king, just for you Tom

Tomorrow morning I'm going to get those mini hashbrowns at burger king, just for you Tom

Haha you do that. I will be going and doing cardio. Then not eating till probably like 6 pm.

Felt sick trying to finish eating today. Force fed myself on 2 fronts. I was full and it tasted so bad haha. Salmon from a can cant be made better by jasmine rice and bbq sauce. Took me a while to get it down.

On a good note I feel more full lately. As far as muscle fullness goes. A nice sign if you ask me. Libido hasnt been raging, but it has been present.

If you wana bodybuild and look good dont worry bout what your lifting
if you wana be strong THEN worry about what your lifting

Ya it is a little harder to have both.

Surprisingly my legs dont feel that sore today. Last time I did legs they were destroyed. They feel less sore than they did yesterday. Maybe the soreness just hasnt hit me yet and is just delayed. Going to go do a little light cardio in a bit.

Sleep was good last night. Joints are still feeling well minus my left arm, but that has been bugging me.

So I just did a "shirt test." Last week I put on my red and blue IForce shirt and it was quite loose. Right now it is tight on me. I mean it could just be that it got shrunk(Id be pissed). Just figured I would make note of it.

So I just did a "shirt test." Last week I put on my red and blue IForce shirt and it was quite loose. Right now it is tight on me. I mean it could just be that it got shrunk(Id be pissed). Just figured I would make note of it.

Makes me realize how much I need a girl for situations like this.

You getting bigger bro!!! Doing good...keep it up!!!

"Difficult things take a long time, impossible things take a little longer."OG Punjabi Avenger

No and to be honest I would be too ashamed to show them. Might try and take some pics for myself soon. Need to mess with my webcam a bit to see what all features it has.

Anyone have experience with Thermolife's ECDY supplement? Not E-Bol but their ECDY only supplement. Been wanting to test ECDY out myself. M-Stak is also another option. Right now the store I use is out of E-Bol but has M-Stak and Ecdypure(?Thermolife).