11/21/2018

So I have a rentals gatcha at my office. I try to copy the methods of stores : )

It's only $5, and it has a week's free rental anywhere, or the "one month free anywhere".

Most people try the gatcha a few times and move on, because they aren't gaming the system.

But every once in awhile you get someone who tries to game it. It's not just that they play it until they win. People do that and I don't have a limit on the times you can play. It's not just that they win and then pick the largest lot -- I don't have any rule like that. Go wild.

No, it's that they play it in order to gain a bunch of free months in a row.

So that's why I put on the machine that you can apply the "one free month anywhere" token only once every 60 days.

So along comes this girl, who wins the free month, and despites to apply it to one of the most expensive rentals, $1300 in Hector, which is fully furnished with landscaping, house and dock. Nothing wrong with that, I don't have any rule against picking the larger, more expensive lots with your "free month anywhere" because it is ANYWHERE.

She then asks to have everything removed. I said, "Read the lease, there are no removals on that one, because a tenant decorated it." (I had bought the land from him and then asked if he could leave the stuff which he kindly did.

So then she plunks a trailer house on it. Not trailer. But trailer house -- the double wide from Chin Rey which is a cool house but when plunked down over landscaping right in front of an existing cabin, it looked stupid. Unfortunately, I didn't see this until the day it expired. So off it went anyway.

So, ok, she got her FREE MONTH ANYWHERE but didn't read the sign.

Next thing I know, this same person surfaces with another winner, a free full month again. Now she wants the $2800 Mainland island LOL. Alright, there's nothing against THAT. But I do have the rule in a hover text saying "one free month" can only be used every 60 days. Which means she has to wait a month. She had already rented another place by then (a $1200 island lot) and wanted the extra month applied. So I said she'd have to wait a month and sent her back the token. She refunded.

She seemed to accept that, but then was back again soon, asking if "her friend" could rent the lot. She says she's willing to go on voice with both of us to prove that they are different people. Sigh. I could put that the prizes aren't transferable, but honestly, most people don't keep trying to cadge a free rental like this LOL. But no, you can't "give it to a friend" to avoid the "every 60 days" rule.

So right at that moment this other person shows up and says he has won a free month and wants to claim it. He has played the machine probably 50 times, I swear. He doesn't want any free gatcha gifts or any other thing he's won. That is, first he wants a week free B&B. But then he's back saying he wants "one month free anywhere."

Hmm.

Given that this machine gets played perhaps at most once a day, if that, and usually only by existing tenants, naturally you have to wonder if this is Gamer Girl in yet another incarnation, now not claiming to be a friend, but a completely separate person. Or an actual separate person, but a friend of Gamer Girl who is now playing on his own.

Now, maybe this really is a separate person. And maybe it's not her friend. But you know, I'm done. Every so often, that happens. I'm done.

[22:44] brïαηηα ṿεɾïταṡ (singsorrow) has given you this object:Ravenglass Prize 23 + ONE FREE MONTH OF RENT RARE[22:44] brïαηηα ṿεɾïταṡ (singsorrow) has given you this notecard:Turning in RARE gacha for month rent[22:48] Prokofy Neva: Hi, if you read the sign on the gatcha machine, it says you can use the "one free month" prize only once every 60 days. You already had a free month on Hector where your alt brigasm had a house on top of a house. So in another month you can use this one. I'm returning it to you.[22:49] Inventory item 'Ravenglass Prize 23 + ONE FREE MONTH OF RENT RARE' offered[22:49] brïαηηα ṿεɾïταṡ (singsorrow): ohhh ok,thank you. Could you please also return the week I just paid? It was 1,200L[22:49] Prokofy Neva: you can click refund on the same box you paid[22:49] Prokofy Neva: it takes out a cancellation fee which you only get returned if you rent another parcel[22:50] brïαηηα ṿεɾïταṡ (singsorrow): So just to clarify, I can't get a physical linden refund?[22:51] Prokofy Neva: Like I said: you click the same box you paid and select REFUND, it's an option on the box[22:51] Prokofy Neva: it takes out an early cancellation fee[22:51] Prokofy Neva: that is not refundable unless you rent another rental[22:51] brïαηηα ṿεɾïταṡ (singsorrow): ohhh ok. Thank you! I asked again because it's very late for me.[22:51] brïαηηα ṿεɾïταṡ (singsorrow): So I wanted to make sure I was understanding correctly.[22:53] SingSorrow: I really appreciate your whole rentals operation,thank you![22:55] SingSorrow: So my friend wants to rent the parcel instead with my rare. Should we voice with you to to let you know we're different people?[22:56] Prokofy Neva: No, sorry, that doesn't fly[22:56] SingSorrow: okie doke[22:56] Prokofy Neva: I don't need "voicing with me" please, give me a break[22:56] Prokofy Neva: there are always people who want to game the system[22:56] Prokofy Neva: you're obviously one[22:59] SingSorrow: I offered voice so you'd know I wasn't lol. But it's ok, I can understand the frustration since you have been at the rental thing for many years. I do mean it when I say I appreciate the whole system, like refunds and the gacha machine. I do hope you have a good day(night?) Mr. Neva.[23:00] Prokofy Neva: No, dear, I'm not "frustratedD" LOL right back at you. I am informing you that you are gaming the system. So move along. Who puts a trailer on a nice expensive lot with a cabin? OK then[23:03] SingSorrow: I'm sorry you're having a bad day but I can tell this is no longer a conversation. Please don't IM me again after my post,thank you. And thank you for the well wishes. :)

[22:44] VampireDraegan: (Saved Wed Nov 21 00:58:22 2018)avenglass Prize 2 - + Free B&B 1 Wk[22:44] VampireDraegan: (Saved Wed Nov 21 01:01:54 2018)nvm[22:44] VampireDraegan: (Saved Wed Nov 21 01:02:01 2018)sorry i dont wanna use that right now[22:44] VampireDraegan: (Saved Wed Nov 21 01:07:44 2018).[22:51] ღSαναηηαh ℳøøƝ Ɗäηєкöღ (vampiredraegan): hello[22:58] VampireDraegan: i got the Ravenglass Prize 20 + Linden Home 1 MO Free , and was wondering how i claim it[22:58] Prokofy Neva: You can claim it by not being a friend of SingSorrow : )[23:00] VampireDraegan: I Bought my rare fairly , i dont have alts , this is my only account[23:01] Prokofy Neva: well you have the misfortune then to come along just went someone is gaming the system and trying every angle. So if you aren't that person's alt, I'm sorry, but I'm not interested in playing now[23:01] VampireDraegan: i am not that persons alt[23:01] VampireDraegan: i swear[23:01] VampireDraegan: Why are you being rude to me when i didnt do anything[23:02] VampireDraegan: the Machine does not have a sign on it saying there is a limit , on how many times you play[23:02] Prokofy Neva: Because people game the system, you came along just at that point when someone was doing that, and that's your misfortune, sorry you can't receive the offer[23:02] VampireDraegan: Thats bullshit[23:03] VampireDraegan: Pick up your gacha machine then[23:03] Prokofy Neva: because there isn't a limit, because most people don't play a $5 gatcha 100 times trying to get the one week free, but that's not the issue. You happened to come along when another person gaming it then asked if their alt could get it[23:03] Prokofy Neva: so the end[23:03] VampireDraegan: I Had nothing to do with that[23:03] VampireDraegan: This is not Fair[23:05] VampireDraegan: Im blocking you and will not , be back or renting ever[23:05] Prokofy Neva: well as I told your alt, you can apply it in 30 days LOL[23:06] VampireDraegan: wait what[23:06] VampireDraegan: I Dont have a ALT[23:06] VampireDraegan: i swear to god

Now, what do you think?

I found this a little too facile, given that I didn't say anything about alts:

[22:58] Prokofy Neva: You can claim it by not being a friend of SingSorrow : )[23:00] VampireDraegan: I Bought my rare fairly , i dont have alts , this is my only account

But who knows.

This person may have been unfairly not given his prize. Maybe he really did just happen to come along at that exact same moment that other gamester was trying to con me. That is, with the time stamps, it might really be true that he is an entirely separate person.

But then there's this: SongSorrow didn't play the gatcha today. So how did she have a winning token to claim today?

Well, she played it 15 times on Nov. 13. So maybe she won and kept it.

Except it's odd that if she won it on Nov. 13 -- when she was about two weeks into her past "one month free," she didn't say, "Hey, I won your gatcha again, can I use it to extend my rental where I am?" There was nothing. So that's odd, too.

Then finally, there's this clue: She plays Bloodlines (the vampire game) on all her accounts. Then this other person who comes along at exactly the same time is named VampireDraegan. So I think the chances are good that it is either an alt or friend of SongSorrow.

[12:12] Dessi Tyran: (Saved Fri Nov 16 11:59:23 2018)Hello. I would like you to look at this please - https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/3rd-Eye-Grimm-Music-Box-7-Ravens-Rare/16007823 - I am asking you nicely not to be a "thief" take down MY PICTURE aka MY AD... and take your own or use the KEY! Thank you.[12:14] Prokofy Neva: Um, "thief"? I always respect copyright. How am I supposed to know this is your picture and not the merchant's picture? Merchant's pictures, not only keys, are widely used. There is no way of telling. When I first looked for this item, it wasn't there! Then there was only one, which I bought. Then I won one, so I put it for sale. Climb down from your high horse. If someone notifies me that a picture is their work, not the merchant's ad, I instantly take it down.[12:14] Dessi Tyran: it has MY LOGO ON IT...[12:14] Dessi Tyran: That is HOW YOU KNOW.. -.-[12:15] Dessi Tyran: I don't take you to be an idiot so don't pretend to be one. You are clearly business savvy and know what to do in SL. So let's not play the ignorant game. Just take down my picture, please.[12:17] Prokofy Neva: I don't see any logo? By the way, dear, you have REALLY overpriced this at $2,499, which others are charging for the whole set. I'm charging $1000. Could THAT be your real issue?[12:17] Prokofy Neva: I already said that when I am notified, I instantly take down content. There is no way to know otherwise.[12:17] Prokofy Neva: I'm glad you're enjoying your sense of power in this tiny game LOL[12:17] Dessi Tyran: lol....[12:18] Dessi Tyran: Thank you for removing my picture. Have a good day.

I had to enlarge that picture and stare at it for awhile to see that yes, there is a logo there. You can see it here (the red diagonals) although on the MP, I thought it was part of the merchant's design.

What I do wonder is why this re-seller is getting all exercised about copyright for, when it seems all she has done is add her logo.

Here's another version of that picture without her logo, which makes me wonder whether Ms. Tyran is defending the copyright of her logo but not the whole picture -- doesn't seem that this person photoshopped out her logo of what was ostensibly her picture.

But no, it is indeed her own artfully taken photo, as you can see by comparing the darkness and murkiness of her photo with the lightness of this one directly above.

[12:18] Dessi Tyran: Thank you for removing my picture. Have a good day.[12:23] Prokofy Neva: Is this violating your copyright, too? https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/3rd-Eye-Grimm-Music-Box-7-Ravens-Rare/15986421 Or in fact did you not make that picture?[12:24] Prokofy Neva: I want to verify that your copyright request is about just your logo, not the whole picture[12:25] Prokofy Neva: Hello?[12:26] Dessi Tyran: 1. its not my picture, its her picture with HER LOGO on it and mine is clearly different with MY LOGO on it. https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/3rd-Eye-Grimm-Music-Box-7-Ravens-Rare/15993383[12:26] Dessi Tyran: how can you NOT see it?[12:26] Dessi Tyran: sheesh[12:28] Prokofy Neva: HAHAHAHAHAH[12:28] Prokofy Neva: So once again, your copyright issue is YOUR LOGO ONLY and NOT the picture? The picture which is really the main artwork here[12:28] Prokofy Neva: You said it was "MY PICTURE"[12:28] Prokofy Neva: Is it?[12:29] Prokofy Neva: I can take it down only over your tiny logo issue, but just so I know -- is that your picture?[12:29] Dessi Tyran: Its both.[12:29] Dessi Tyran: I spent the time unpacking the item, posing it and putting my logo on it, period.[12:29] Dessi Tyran: You want something nice do it yourself.[12:30] Prokofy Neva: I did. I'm selling it for less : )[12:30] Prokofy Neva: Bye!

I should add that there's something rather trivial about warring over screenshots of what is ACTUALLY the art work -- the original gatcha! -- because anyone can take a screenshot. They can take it for better or worse. Even so, I'm happy to award copyright to this little gatcha scrapper LOL. I'd like to save my real wrath, however, for anybody who tries to knock of this artist's actual work.

I should mention that this is a bitch of a gatcha.

I generally like 3D Eye Perception's stuff unless it is BDSM or grisly.

But this gatcha had a stupid thing called "Chain Pile" that shouldn't even have been in a gatcha, it was that stupid. It was a pile, not a chain lengthener. So you got that a zillion times, you got "Hansel and Gretel" way too many times, and really had to try to get the rare.

I'm told a guy tried 60 times to get the full set. Well, I don't do that any more : )

I'm happy I got the Raven and the Juniper Tree and hopefully the sales of the extra Raven and others will pay for the dumb chain.

07/24/2018

I rarely have "Marketplace Madness," a close relative of "Rental Dementia," but sometimes it comes up.

A person who buys a cat on the MP likely already knows something about the Kittycats -- if they don't, they will learn. I suspect this person knows but is just concocting drama to try to amplify her sob story.

The reality is, the cats never die. If their scripts stop working, the company replaces them. If they starve, they go "under the blanket" with a little thermometer in their mouth for six days. At the end of that period, they are back to normal, but they will also eat up any bowl near them for that period they missed -- which is why you need to put out several bowls to compensate.

A $750 cat sold because if was an uncommon "toy" cat is worth $750 or more -- it is not damaged by temporarily being sick. You will only require the cost of not even a full bowl of food for them to recover.

I sent her $170 for one fifth of a five-bowl set, which is what I usually get. There are slightly cheaper versions in greater bulk.

I am currently fattening up a cat before selling it. I always do that. I either put them for sale when newborn or I make sure they aren't starving when they are sold. But if it is has been on the MP for awhile, it may lose its hunger status. It's easily fixed.

[07:59] Magical Serenity: (Saved Tue Jul 24 09:18:41 2018)Hello. I purchased a kittycat for $750L from you on mp. She is sick and it will cost a fortune, if she is even able to be revived, as she is live and almost a year old. I am requesting a refund. I am surprised being a business owner in SL that you have dead/sick cats listed on mp. I am hoping you didn't realize this when you listed them there. I am including transaction records for the cat. Thank you for your time. - Magical[07:59] Magical Serenity: (Saved Tue Jul 24 09:18:45 2018)KittyCats Box - Toyger - Tan Toy Sold by Prokofy Neva Visit The Store Review Product 361872031 L$750 1 L$750[08:28] Prokofy Neva: Hi, I always make sure my cats are fed when I put them on the MP. If they are sick when you take them out, maybe it's because they have been on the MP for awhile? There isn't a way to feed them on the MP obviously. Kittycats cannot die. Surely you realize that. As for hunger, it is fixed by putting food out next to them. They go under the blanket for 6 days, I believe, then they come out, and the food they would have eaten is then eaten at once -- which makes it seem as if they eat "more". So I am hardly going to refund you $750 for a cat that isn't dying, and whose sickness is fixed with a bowl of food. I can't send you a bowl of food -- they don't transfer. I will figure out what one bowl of food costs and send it. It doesn't "cost a fortune," and indeed they are revivable, so spare the drama, save it for people dying for real in Syria.[08:30] Magical Serenity: Sir, that is not drama, it is fact. They require vitamins or will have to eat back to health. It is just bad practice to sell things on mp in that condition. I feel greatly as well for all those in Syria and pray for them and many other countries in that part of the world.[08:31] Prokofy Neva: They do NOT require vitamins. That is total bullshit. They require ONLY a bowl of food. You put them out, they lie for six days under a blanket, then they eat the food, the end, ask on the Kittycats forums and stop being ridiculous.[08:31] Magical Serenity: My only point was, that people would not buy a sick cat on mp :)[08:31] Magical Serenity: Please dont be rude, I am not being ugly.[08:31] Prokofy Neva: They aren't sold on the MP in that condition. If left on the MP they lose their top-off, you can't feed them on the MP, that's all, most people get that and just give them food after having them on the blanket[08:32] Magical Serenity: Just that if you put sick cat on your ads, you would not sell any.[08:32] Prokofy Neva: you are making false claims of "a fortune," "vitamins" and "death". So stop that. You are ridiculous.[08:32] Magical Serenity: That is why live cats are sold inworld so they can eat.[08:32] Prokofy Neva: I have sold lots of cats for years, and never had complaints. So grow up, deal with it, and I will send the cost of one bowl of food, the end[08:32] Prokofy Neva: um, then don't buy from the ZILLIONS of cats offered ON THE MARKETPLACE then if you believe that?[08:32] Prokofy Neva: your problem[08:32] Prokofy Neva: the end[08:32] Prokofy Neva: bye[08:33] Magical Serenity: You are a very rude person. I will pray for you.[08:33] Prokofy Neva: I will pray for you, because you are living in a world of self-induced drama coupled with stupidity, a toxic mixture

07/20/2018

I gave a rule in areas that only cost 0.66/prim -- which is subsidized, in the land preserve, where I am trying to offset costs and keep nice wooded areas open to the public -- that the limit is one per person.

Most people abide by this. Some rip me off, however, by overprimming especially in the sky -- the cheapest seats attract the cheapest characters.

Others rip me off with alts. Or they say "their friend" is moving in but they keep slipping up and trying to pay the rental cube themselves, or putting out furniture under their main's name, and no one can really believe they are THAT much a friend to do that LOL.

They imagine these alts are impossible to tell, but honestly, you don't need to use illegal tools that scrape people's URLs (I don't, and LL bans people for this) to figure out alts.

Normally, I wouldn't bother publicizing a pathetic creature and her alts like this ripping off an old lady in a rentals LOL. I mean, supersad, you have to rip off a subsidized newby thing instead of just getting a house yourself for the same or a little more of the rent you are using on four or five alts.

But some people make these families because they delight in deceiving people or they have multiple personality disorder or whatever. I get it. It's ok. Just don't inflict it on me and rip me off.

See, even after these are ejected and they are told no alts, and stop ripping me off, another one tries. It's compulsive, obsessive and sick behavior.

Hence Lexdysia.

Not dyslexia, get it?

But also like Quinlexia -- the fourth member of the family in Carlisle.

I sent her the card, "Your Alts," I refund her, and I figure she would leave in embarassment.

Wouldn't most people?

Again, the issue isn't that she has alts, and I know them all -- who cares? Alts are a person's business. But if you have a rule LIMIT ONE PER PERSON and somebody moves in THEIR FOUR ALTS to prevent anyone else from accessing this cheap rental -- taking up an entire house, essentially where they are meant to have only a room -- then I eject them and a FIFTH shows up -- hey, done. It's my rule -- and my right.

Then you get this (I welcome these alts one by one at first because I don't see they are alts right away and don't have time always to check)

[2018/05/12 15:14] Prokofy Neva: Hi, welcome to SL Public Land Preserve! I added you to resident powers. Switch to the title "Conservationist" in the group to access ban, media, change parcel description etc. This may require relogging[2018/05/12 15:14] Inventory item 'SL Public Land Preserve QuickStart' offered[2018/05/12 21:51] Lexdysia: thanks[2018/06/10 17:05] Lexi (lexdysia): why was I ejected[2018/06/10 17:06] Inventory item 'Your Alts' offered

Now, more than a month later this:

[21:55]

[21:56] Lexdysia: as long as you are in SL, I will be watching you[21:56] Lexdysia: every second every day[21:56] Prokofy Neva: I'll be watching you too cupcake[21:56] Lexdysia: I did nothing to you[21:56] Lexdysia: but now I will[21:57] Prokofy Neva: What an asshole you are being, you lied and grabbed extra rooms in a place that said one per person by using alts[21:57] Prokofy Neva: who does that?[21:57] Prokofy Neva: what an ass[21:57] Lexdysia: cupcake[21:57] Lexdysia: I[21:57] Lexdysia: did[21:57] Lexdysia: nothing[21:57] Lexdysia: to[21:57] Lexdysia: you[21:57] Prokofy Neva: no, you ripped me off in an area that was designed for ONE PER PERSON derp[21:57] Lexdysia: I[21:57] Lexdysia: did[21:57] Prokofy Neva: stop being an asshole[21:57] Lexdysia: noting[21:57] Prokofy Neva: goodbye[21:57] Lexdysia: to you

Block.

Note, she doesn't say "Why, those aren't my alts, why the very idea!" We all know they are her alts and she merely tried again because she's sick. It's a compulsion.

Instead she says tries to intimidate me with the idea that she will be "watching me" (um...really? In a virtual world? Even in RL? And? Do you realize that if you harass people in SL, ultimately LL will punish you and in RL, the FBI can also investigate you. So don't be stupid and do that.

And why would you need to? You got kicked from a rental that costs... wait for it -- sixty-seven cents in real life US coins a MONTH?

Huh?

To be sure, this one had another 0.66 rental on another sim, but generally I let people take more than one IF they are on different sims. Of course, it's greedy and rips me off in its own way, but I generally don't care if the sim isn't full. But when I have a lodging house with 5 rooms and you take 4 with alts and they only cost $50/75 prims? No, you're going on your way. And you come back and rent again with another alt right away? No, that's not on.

I shouldn't have to explain these things.

With a profile like this, you wouldn't think somebody would start a vendetta over being caught double-dipping, would you?

Linden = Bully

Twomanycolors (Colors) came to SL because of bullying in her real life. Her name is based on the song above (True Colors) to bring awareness to bullying. She was bullied out of SL by Kimberly Silverblade + alts. Colors had a premium membership and sent abuse reports to the Lindens but later found out that the same person who bullied her was also working for Linden Labs and the reports did nothing. The land around her land was bought by Kim's alts . She left SL with many hundreds of dollars in items that she bought including the abondoned land.

If you work for SL and don't know about Kimblery Silverblade, help me to let the upper management of Linden Labs know. You can find Kimberly Silverblade and some of her alts by clicking the teleport button.

If you DJ, play the song below to bring awareness to this bully. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j17axG1s1fo&list=PLAayV41SeqHps3W9KIJQU5CLlVnNc02o3&t=112

This is the kind of deranged thing you find in SL. It's common online to see people who rattle on about being victims of bullies be bullies themselves -- and stalkers and creeps.

Nobody can "bully you out of SL" unless you let them. You block and ban you. You abuse report them. The end. They can't come on your land, they can't do anything to you. Forget about them. If you continue to play cat and mouse and engage, it's your sickness.

Is it possible that someone working for LL could be related to bullying? Sure, I've seen it myself.

Is it possible that someone could be working for LL and be involved in THIS sort of petty nonsense this person claims?

Unlikely.

Why would you care if someone bought land, had alts, etc. etc. and they may (or may not) work for LL?

SL is a HUGE place where you can buy your own land and things if you want. You need not live next door to the Kimberlies of the world -- if the story is even true.

Biography

Just say hi already. I manage the Sweetgrass/Regal airport, a great southern airport.(see picks).

I like the physics engine and building friction machines. Call me if you wanna know more.

Mount Paektu, holy mountain of revolution. Kim Jong-il

“The Puritan through life's sweet garden goes, to pluck the thorn and cast away the rose”

I hadn't been to the Barbarossa Ferry Terminal before I don't think. It's in the Blake Sea. It's a Linden build by Naughty Mole and others.

I don't know the back story to any of these people, but it doesn't matter. I don't care about you, your alts, your accusations against Lindens, what I do, when you threaten me, is I publicize your bad behavior. The end.

07/19/2018

You may know doobeedoo Littlething. I always had admiration for her, she ran several gatcha stores and her tastes in gatcha were similar to mine, her displays were nice and easy to get around and the prices, while not super low, were reasonable. I chatted with her now and then, she always seemed like a normal, savvy SL merchant. When she had a horrible inventory loss, such as I suffered, I sent her some extra stock to get started as a friend of mine did and others. That's what you do.

But now, surprisingly, she's behaving like an unmitigated asshole over a stupid lack of comprehension on the part of her friend who also opened a gatcha store in my rentals. So I have no choice but to boycott her and urge everyone else to -- you don't have any recourse but that when someone threatens to damage your reputation -- and in fact does so, with total bullshit. Skip over the he said/she said and come to the more substantive issues affecting any store: does the CATEGORY matter? I always change these categories out of habit from when search was different but I honestly don't think they have mattered for years. And in any event, the "crime" of leaving a parcel in "rentals" and not changed to "shopping" couldn't affect a search in search/places anyway -- that I can see. Let's see if anyone has FACTS on these issues.

So the story is as follows -- dobeedo Littlething, who I have known and shopped at for years in her own stores on other sims unexpectedly comes and rents from me in the sim of Patagonia. I was surprised as she has her own island or part of an island or land, and always had, but then she refunded, after not being there for long, although setting up a store. When I asked if she had problems, she then said she was helping a friend. This friend first tried to put up a store on residential land so I had to tell her to move (the info cards make this clear but no one reads them -- she then went to an area where I don't mind having a store especially a tastefully-laid out gatcha store that I myself would shop up that isn't going to be laggy like (potentially) breedables. Everything seemed fine.

One thing that became clear is that her friend -- I don't think she was an alt -- wasn't terribly bright. I don't think she read info cards and didn't absorb information given to her. Whatever, as the record shows, I was polite and instantly did anything she asked.

Yes, I went to help her immediately when she asked. My rentals are self-service, but you can ask me for help. When I give people resident powers I explain they can change the land description. The cards say this multiple times as well. She seemed to grasp some of this but not all -- she changed to resident powers obviously because she changed the name of the lot to her store name, put a description of her store, and even a texture with a kitty cat. But she didn't grasp that the land was in search ALREADY (from being in search...for her to find it in the first place) but she couldn't see that because OF A GLITCH IN SL. I wish they would fix this. It's an endless cause of misunderstanding, grief, and annoyance and has been for 14 years, but the Lindens don't care.

She also couldn't realize that she could set her own landing point. This is told tenants multiple ways but they ignore it often.

Basically, the owner of the land and the officers can see the checkoff box for the land being in search. But someone with only tenant role or even resident role in the group CANNOT see that check. It SEEMS as if it is not there. So I checked, made sure it was in search, and sent her a note explaining the glitch and asking her merely to check her store name in search -- that's how you find out if it is really working! It used to be this could take as long as a day to appear -- now it is much faster, sometimes even immediately but certainly within hours.

The other issue I didn't notice -- because again -- these are self-service rentals where I give people to make their own ads -- is that the CATEGORY still said "Rentals" and not "Store".

In my experience, most people use search/places to find things with key words or the name of the store, and it doesn't matter whether it says Rentals, Store, Hangout, but let's say it is helpful to have it in Store.

You just...toggle it to store. But she couldn't do this, imply because the power is not given out -- the overwhelming majority of people don't care about this because it doesn't matter, and if they do, I change it. She wouldn't tell me that was a real (or imagined) problem for her so I DID NOT KNOW.

The ONLY way I found out this category thing was an issue for her was by talking to dobeedo who also made much of it. Strange that, as she is a seasoned person in SL and should realize it doesn't matter -- search/places does not have rentals as a category and it therefore doesn't even show up when checked; shopping is nice to have but people don't search in search/places with that extra most of the time, they just put in the search terms. The exact name of the store will show up regardless of the category; the store will show up if someone just is searching for gatchas IF they have traffic. That I never guarantee -- traffic doesn't make sales, sales make sales, so work on search an ads because traffic gimmicks don't work.

Instead of just asking me to change the category, she sent me a somewhat incoherent IM as you can see below, not mentioning the categories issue at all, not realizing she could set her own landing point either, although this is explained three ways to be redundant -- on my profile, in the FAQs sent when you rent, and in a sign in my office -- and expressing the belief her prims were being returned.

Nobody would want customers to come to her store and just start returning merchandise randomly but that wasn't happening and couldn't happen; her stuff got away on to other non-group land from where it was returned by autoreturn -- that seems most likely. When you find stuff in the air -- usually do to rubber-banding or glitches in SL in general -- then it will land on other lots sometimes and return.

Whatever, you can't know if you aren't asked -- her main concern seemed to be a belief that someone was returning her prims and this capacity would be globalized and make havoc at her store. Which wasn't true.

Nevertheless, this is what I seriously investigated because if true, it's a global problem not just for her or me and my rentals but anyone in Mainland rentals or any grouping of land. The Lindens don't care about return problems as I've exhaustively reported but I do check this periodically at the level of "Can Firestorm users return group-set prims with resident powers in my group" because people claim this is possible every now and then.

Each time I check this thoroughly, I find it is NOT possible. Recently Whirly Fizgig burned an hour testing this EXHAUSTIVELY with me. Maybe it is possible on some kind of viewer? But not the SL Viewer or Firestorm. Except...sometimes maybe it is? When?

From exhaustive testing today once again -- I got a tenant with resident role and a friend with no group role to come and try returning things and they couldn't -- I found:

o You can return things if they are in SHARE. People don't realize sometimes they've done that; certain old Linden things still have share on them from the LL habit of putting everything in the Library in share back in the day; sometimes even I forget I've done this for a tenant to move and return things. I got landscape back the other day and thought, hmm, why??? Firestorm??? But it was...in share as I discovered when I took it out of Lost & Found. Because I put it in share for a tenant to return if they didn't like it -- duh.

o You cannot return things if they are not in share and set to group.

o If they are NOT set to the group and you are a group member with resident status you CAN return them - non-group-set prims happen more often than you realize.

o And there is one more tiny exception -- if you have been handed Householders role in my group -- some long-term tenants can return group-set prims. There are so few of them and the circumstances for the use of this power is so rare -- like a car or plane wrecked on a lot taking up prims -- that it's an unlikely but possible explanation -- but again, only if the prims landed on OTHER LOTS. Not FROM that tenant's rented lot.

dobedoo complained to me that "my tenant next door" returned her prims. Well, her prims strayed from her lot, by accident somehow, and they got returned either if not group-set, from non-group land or by another tenant with householder powers because they were on his lot, not hers. That's all. I checked, and that seems to be the most plausible explanation. It does not seem to be the case that any random tenant with either tenant or the higher resident status can return group-set prims.

THAT prims stray I proved when I landed in my office, next door to this friend of dobedoo's, and found one of her gatchas set to sale and floating in the sky. Again: a fellow tenant with resident status COULD NOT return it. I thought at first, oh, she has it "see in search" is that the reason? Nope. IT COULD NOT BE RETURNED EXCEPT BY ME, THE OWNER. Had a "Householder" been nearby -- I think there are no more than 4 or 5 of them in all my groups -- they could have as well as a courtesy. Nobody who is TRUSTED with that power would abuse it -- it's when your stuff gets OFF your land.

So I tried to sort this out with kateyes -- she just couldn't absorb it. I can see when people are timid, not bright, not willing, not whatever and can't think or talk things through and just want to say "bu bye" as this one did (LOL). Um, ok, buh-bye, that's how it's spelled, but I get it.

But clearly, she wouldn't have been upset about things returning unless a) she was told this "problem" by doobeedoo OR b) she experienced it repeatedly and I can't believe that. Since there are no householders, no officers, and not even me to do this on that sim, what happened? Maybe it landed on a neighbor's property NOT in my group and got returned? Maybe it wasn't set to the group? Maybe it was just some odd server glitch? She didn't have the bandwidth to find out, and maybe that's too much to ask of a tenant, but I do expect, when I've gone to solve people's problems that they don't just refund without asking for help.

Normally, when someone refunds and I ask them politely once if they had problems and they don't or can't answer, I don't bother them again. Why would you? People come and go, they don't want to explain, that's their business.

BUT WHEN AN ACCUSATION IS MADE THAT YOUR GROUP AND MAINLAND RENTALS IN GENERAL ENABLE PRIM RETURNS BY ANYBODY, IT'S NORMAL TO QUESTION, INVESTIGATE AND WORRY. People who aren't in the Mainland rentals business don't care about this -- they just make their own groups on an island. But we on the Mainland HAVE GOT to care -- it's a big bug.

It's too bad that this person couldn't have stayed in her nice, cheap rental where not only everyone coming to my office would shop -- a nice boon of being next to it -- but I would even myself -- couldn't grasp the small fact that her category problem was fixable by a one-second one-click action on the land menu, and her return problem was fictitious. Her hasty refund lets me know she was propelled in this, and that it was fueled most likely, and that most likely doobeedoo said OMG my prims were return too don't rent there. Stupid, but there you are.

So here's a full publication of the transcripts. Any person of good will can see that her imagined drama queen bullshit of "talking to somebody some way" or even talking to her "some way" is simply thin-skinned insanity. It's common in SL to have this kind of not-very-bright drama-queen bullshit; I just wouldn't expect it from doobedoo -- but now I know that's how she is.

Once again, when you fuck with me by THREATS and promise to REPUTATION damage by "not recommending me" -- which is an obvious admission of bad-mouthing in general -- I fight back. I publish the facts, and reasonable people instantly get it. I urge boycotts; I practice boycotts. It's all we have in SL where there is no free press and no independent court system.

Note that even though kateyes wasn't very bright about this and all-to-willing to suspect sabotage, and doobeedo was unnecessarily irritable and stupid about it as well, though she knows better, I was willing to continue to shop at their stores. Why not? Mainland rentals aren't for everybody. They have good stores. But not now after her final comments. They are ignorant, stupid, and vicious.

I hate SL stupidity, driven by unwillingness to learn or hear the facts; unwillingness to have even a modicum of good will; all-to-ready willingness to suspect, hate, narrow the eyes, and become mean as a junk-yard dog.

Note in particular that both these customers were given clear, repeated information that they themselves could change the land menu, description etc. If every single power granted is not spelled out, it's because it's too long a list -- that's why you send notecards, put it on your profile, and put it in your office on a sign, you know? I'm 100% positive that this new efficient better landlord didn't sit and IM these ladies long lists of powers NOR give them "100% powers". They just think so because of set and setting.

[2018/06/21 10:47] Second Life: secondlife:///app/agent/16f22cdd-eade-4b63-a03f-85a05a7646a8/completename paid you L$1400.[2018/06/21 10:49] KAT EYES (kateyes.wingtips): may i get rights please[2018/06/21 10:50] Prokofy Neva: Hi, you have to join the group on your own using the group joiner on site or search/groups[2018/06/21 10:53] KAT EYES (kateyes.wingtips): joined[2018/06/21 10:54] Prokofy Neva: Hi, I'm talking to doobeedoo, the area you rented is residential only, not for shops, so if you want a shop you will have to refund, and take another area, I will send you the list[2018/06/21 10:55] Second Life: Inventory item 'COMMERCIAL AND STORE LOT RENTALS' offered[2018/06/21 10:58] Prokofy Neva: the cancellation fee will be returned manually[2018/06/21 10:58] Prokofy Neva: AFK[2018/06/21 11:09] KAT EYES (kateyes.wingtips): you there?[2018/06/21 11:11] KAT EYES (kateyes.wingtips): need that deposit so i can rent next door[2018/06/21 11:12] KAT EYES (kateyes.wingtips): Furness (144,239,48)[2018/06/21 11:16] KAT EYES (kateyes.wingtips): ty ty[2018/06/21 11:16] Prokofy Neva: I added you to resident role in the group[2018/06/21 11:16] Prokofy Neva: switch to the title resident to access ban, media, change parcel description etc[2018/06/21 11:16] Prokofy Neva: this may require relogging[2018/06/21 11:16] Second Life: Inventory item 'Ravenglass Rentals Quickstart' offered[2018/06/21 11:16] Second Life: secondlife:///app/agent/16f22cdd-eade-4b63-a03f-85a05a7646a8/completename paid you L$1350.[2018/06/21 11:17] KAT EYES (kateyes.wingtips): ty vm[2018/07/17 19:58] kateyes Wingtips: (Saved Tue Jul 17 19:07:16 2018)i need land so can show in search. can i get land divided from others so they cant return my items and be able to set my landing point ... pretty please[2018/07/17 20:10] Prokofy Neva: Hi, I can easily put your land in search but I don't know what you mean by "so they can't return my items and set my landing point". Only other people with resident powers in the group could set a landing part on a parcel in the group, and it's a rare occurrence, they're not going to bother. As for "returning your items," you can't return group-set items unless you are owner or officer in the group. I think Firestorm may enable this in some way, or some third-party viewer, as I see it some time, but it's also rare. But that's not something I can control. Generally, no one can return prims once they are set to the group. If you are saying "Can I have my own group on your land," that's not possible on the Mainland without owning the land and paying tier to LL. So I will put your parcel in search but the rest I don't see why you need it or what the issue is.[2018/07/17 20:14] Prokofy Neva: Ok your parcel is in search, but due to a glitch in SL, you can't see that checkoff in the box unless you are a group officer, but look it up in search/places and you should see it soon. You yourself set the landing point, switch to the resident role in the group to do that[2018/07/19 14:38] Prokofy Neva: Hi, I saw you refunded and I'm sure it must have been annoying after you went to all the effort to lay out your store. But I DO NOT UNDERSTAND what your issues are. No one can return your items set to the group UNLESS you yourself put them in "share". Only rogue viewers can do this and I don't see that as an issue. As I said, setting your landing point you can do and setting in search you can do. Please explain to me why you believe people could return your items.[2018/07/19 14:40] Second Life: Inventory item 'Reply' offered[2018/07/19 14:41] KAT EYES (kateyes.wingtips): i didnt realise ty bu buy[2018/07/19 14:51] Prokofy Neva: Not sure what you mean -- what didn't you realize?[2018/07/19 14:51] Prokofy Neva: I sent an answer yesterday that yes, you could be in search and yes, you could set a landing point[2018/07/19 14:52] KAT EYES (kateyes.wingtips): bu buy[2018/07/19 14:52] Prokofy Neva: anyone can leave my rentals for any reason or no reason and I provide refunds unlike most landlords, but if there is some larger issue where they think something like "prims can be returned" I want to figure it out[2018/07/19 15:46] Prokofy Neva: hi so sending back one of your store items that got away from you and was in the air above my store (next to that lot) -- first had two tenants with resident status, one without any group status try to return (they're on Firestorm) and they couldn't. I can only because I'm the land owner. Good luck in find a new place![2018/07/19 16:41] KAT EYES (kateyes.wingtips): IM NOT LEAVING Due to anyone else I got a very good deal and I have all my land rates that I wanted to thank you very much but it was a decision that I had made no one else

Of course, if you believe in that, you believe in the tooth fairy, because...a simple thing like changing the category of your land menu, which you ask to be done if it seems you can't, would be instantly fixable. I'd like to credit to this person the good will I wish I could have gotten from her, but it's a sure sign of either unwillingness to absorb information or stupidity or ill will fueled by another when you can't sort out your FREE search/places ad GIVEN to you in a cheap rental by just ASKING the landlord or even just examining the same menu you worked the day before again. The power to change about land settings is given with the resident status in all my groups. When you click and see the options, you instantly see that setting a landing is possible, even if you failed to read this on the cards.

[2016/10/07 18:15] Second Life: secondlife:///app/agent/41d7eb9f-a0e9-4503-98d7-d84990066a01/completename paid you L$25 for [Toiz] 4. raindrop rug.[2017/11/30 19:22] Prokofy Neva: OMG I heard you had a gatcha inventory loss like I did, I lost 15,000 items, probably half gatcha, many rares, same thing, all the folders deleted in trash even though I never put them there, I ranted and raged with the Lindens, only got a year's free subscription out of them[2017/11/30 19:22] Prokofy Neva: going to send you some gatchas now[2017/11/30 19:22] doobeedoo Littlething: yea i cried 4 days[2017/11/30 19:22] Prokofy Neva: I am still finding the losses, I was just bereft[2017/11/30 19:22] doobeedoo Littlething: omg itll take me 4 everrrrrr[2017/11/30 19:23] Prokofy Neva: I have slowly started to rebuild, I dont even know what I lost[2017/11/30 19:23] doobeedoo Littlething: ya im same[2017/11/30 19:24] Prokofy Neva: I put my folders now all separately off "object," before I had them a different way, don't know if that matters[2017/11/30 19:24] Second Life: Inventory item '{Petite Maison} Winter Banner: Cranberry' offered[2017/11/30 19:24] doobeedoo Littlething: ya i renamed mine do not fukin delete[2017/11/30 19:24] doobeedoo Littlething: aww tytyt[2017/11/30 19:24] Second Life: Inventory item '{Petite Maison} Winter Chill Gacha: Cupcakes - Choco Berry' offered[2017/11/30 19:24] Second Life: Inventory item '8. GA - Savannah - Raspberry' offered[2017/11/30 19:24] Second Life: Inventory item 'i { DH } Gacha! Flower Garden Chair *Berry Rose*' offered[2017/11/30 19:24] doobeedoo Littlething: aww hun ty soo much[2017/11/30 19:24] Second Life: Inventory item '20. (luc) Berry Crystal Wreath, White (decor or wearable)' offered[2017/11/30 19:25] Second Life: Inventory item '{anc} friedwildberry. ''model of the berrylife'' 3Li RARE' offered[2017/11/30 19:25] doobeedoo Littlething: aww ty sooooo much[2017/11/30 19:25] Prokofy Neva: Model of the Berry Life is my ABSOLUTE FAVORITE thing and I went back and won two, so please have one[2017/11/30 19:25] Second Life: Inventory item '{anc}/ friedwildberry. 16''droplamp/hanging'' fog' offered[2017/11/30 19:25] Second Life: Inventory item '{anc}/ friedwildberry. 20''droplamp/wall'' fog' offered[2017/11/30 19:25] Second Life: Inventory item '.:Bee Designs: Kitchen Decor Gacha Cupboard RARE' offered[2017/11/30 19:26] Second Life: Inventory item '..::THOR::.. Rising Sun Counter ULTRARARE' offered[2017/11/30 19:26] Prokofy Neva: go ahead and sell them if you want[2017/11/30 19:26] doobeedoo Littlething: ty soo much sweet[2017/11/30 19:27] Prokofy Neva: I am trying to be Zen about this[2017/11/30 19:27] Prokofy Neva: but my God it's thousands of dollars, real dollars[2017/11/30 19:27] doobeedoo Littlething: y a i was goin nuts[2017/11/30 19:28] doobeedoo Littlething: then i cred'[2017/11/30 19:28] doobeedoo Littlething: theni wtfs my self[2017/11/30 19:28] doobeedoo Littlething: lol[2017/11/30 19:28] Prokofy Neva: bc not everybody even with the copyable has redelivery[2017/11/30 19:28] doobeedoo Littlething: egsaclllyyyy[2017/11/30 19:28] Prokofy Neva: it really took the shine off SL[2017/11/30 19:28] Prokofy Neva: I had so many nicely decorated places and I would pick them up in folders and change them at least the stuff in world was still out but 15,000[2017/11/30 19:28] doobeedoo Littlething: ya i was not happy but so many ppl donated gachas n lindens blew me away how ppl have been[2017/11/30 19:30] Prokofy Neva: well I hope you will recover, it's awful and I have to tell you for months I am still finding what I lost[2017/11/30 19:30] doobeedoo Littlething: mmhmm me 2 i trynot tu think aboput all the kitty stuff i lost thats my fav[2017/11/30 19:30] Prokofy Neva: : ([2017/11/30 19:30] doobeedoo Littlething: ikr[2017/11/30 19:31] Prokofy Neva: well I had to put down my RL kitties recently and honestly, SL kitties are not a substitute[2017/11/30 19:31] doobeedoo Littlething: omg[2017/11/30 19:32] doobeedoo Littlething: ttas fuikin awslee hugs u so hardd i have 9 rl kitty i know how it feels[2017/11/30 19:35] Prokofy Neva: I hate having to make life or death decisions about them but I sat up all night with one howling when medicine wasn't working and nothing was working and the other wouldn't eat, they were 18 and 19[2017/11/30 19:35] doobeedoo Littlething: yea we had tu do it last year its jus heart breakin[2017/11/30 19:36] Prokofy Neva: well I'm getting used to it[2017/11/30 19:36] Prokofy Neva: I have my SL kitties but they are different![2017/11/30 19:36] Prokofy Neva: not as smart![2017/11/30 19:36] doobeedoo Littlething: uh huh i fell ya[2017/11/30 19:36] Second Life: secondlife:///app/agent/41d7eb9f-a0e9-4503-98d7-d84990066a01/about has given you this object: secondlife:///app/inventory/1f1ad346-3a9e-b1b5-a310-f26a4422dda7/select?name=JIAN%20Curious%20Kitties%20%3A%3A%20Companion%20Tuxedo%20BOX[2017/11/30 19:36] Second Life: secondlife:///app/agent/41d7eb9f-a0e9-4503-98d7-d84990066a01/about has given you this object: secondlife:///app/inventory/3bfdb69b-3efc-cceb-ffc7-81ff26e69af5/select?name=JIAN%20Pudgy%20Persians%20BOX%2013.%20Grey%20Wander%20Kitten%204[2017/11/30 19:37] Prokofy Neva: thanks![2017/11/30 19:37] doobeedoo Littlething: xx[2017/11/30 19:37] doobeedoo Littlething: who told u about my fuk up[2017/11/30 19:38] Prokofy Neva: my friend Cocoanut Koala[2017/11/30 19:38] Prokofy Neva: she has a gatcha shop[2017/11/30 19:38] doobeedoo Littlething: aww bless her[2017/11/30 19:38] Prokofy Neva: I've known her since TSO[2017/11/30 19:38] Prokofy Neva: she rents from as well[2017/11/30 19:38] doobeedoo Littlething: yeas shes a sweety[2018/06/21 09:20] doobeedoo Littlething: hiyas im interested in what land rights do u get if i rent land from u[2018/06/21 09:23] Second Life: secondlife:///app/agent/41d7eb9f-a0e9-4503-98d7-d84990066a01/completename paid you L$350.[2018/06/21 09:23] doobeedoo Littlething: ok i rented could u chainge land name plz\\[2018/06/21 09:31] Prokofy Neva: Hi, you change your name yourself after I give you resident powers[2018/06/21 09:31] doobeedoo Littlething: OK TY LOVE[2018/06/21 09:31] Prokofy Neva: ok I added you[2018/06/21 09:31] Second Life: User not online - message will be stored and delivered later.[2018/06/21 09:31] Prokofy Neva: relog if on firestorm[2018/06/21 09:31] Second Life: User not online - message will be stored and delivered later.[2018/06/21 09:32] Second Life: Inventory item 'Ravenglass Rentals Quickstart' offered[2018/06/21 09:32] doobeedoo Littlething: User not online - inventory has been saved.[2018/06/21 09:33] Prokofy Neva: the search/places ad is included in the rent, you can't see the search checkout due to an SL glitch but it should be on, you add your own name, texture etc. Music also. I sent you the info card.[2018/06/21 09:41] doobeedoo Littlething: ty sweety[2018/06/21 10:50] doobeedoo Littlething: got u another renter[2018/06/21 10:50] doobeedoo Littlething: kateyes wingtips[2018/06/21 10:51] Prokofy Neva: great![2018/06/21 10:52] doobeedoo Littlething: zxxx[2018/06/21 10:52] Prokofy Neva: the thing is that's not a store area, it's residential, what you rented can be a store as it is roadside[2018/06/21 10:52] doobeedoo Littlething: oh nuu[2018/06/21 10:52] doobeedoo Littlething: she wants shops[2018/06/21 10:53] Prokofy Neva: well then she will have to refund and go to another area with shops[2018/06/21 10:54] doobeedoo Littlething: ok ya best hit her up lol[2018/06/21 11:00] doobeedoo Littlething: http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Furness/144/239/48[2018/06/21 11:00] doobeedoo Littlething: is that commercial[2018/06/21 11:01] doobeedoo Littlething: or i can build her a skybox mall at 4000 meters[2018/06/21 11:12] Second Life: secondlife:///app/agent/41d7eb9f-a0e9-4503-98d7-d84990066a01/completename paid you L$10.[2018/06/21 11:12] Second Life: secondlife:///app/agent/41d7eb9f-a0e9-4503-98d7-d84990066a01/completename paid you L$5.[2018/06/21 11:13] Second Life: secondlife:///app/agent/41d7eb9f-a0e9-4503-98d7-d84990066a01/completename paid you L$10 for 09 - 8f8 - Storyteller's Burrow - Street Lamp BAG.[2018/06/21 11:13] Second Life: secondlife:///app/agent/41d7eb9f-a0e9-4503-98d7-d84990066a01/completename paid you L$10 for 06 - 8f8 - Storyteller's Burrow - Gate BAG.[2018/06/21 11:13] Second Life: secondlife:///app/agent/41d7eb9f-a0e9-4503-98d7-d84990066a01/completename paid you L$10 for 14 - 8f8 - Storyteller's Burrow - Plate Collection BAG.[2018/06/21 11:13] Second Life: secondlife:///app/agent/41d7eb9f-a0e9-4503-98d7-d84990066a01/completename paid you L$5.[2018/06/21 11:14] doobeedoo Littlething: heehee i won Ravenglass Prize 19 + 25 Extra Prims[2018/06/21 11:15] Prokofy Neva: haha ok just take them, I will write it on your box[2018/06/21 11:15] doobeedoo Littlething: k lol[2018/06/21 11:16] doobeedoo Littlething: kat wants teh plot next door but she didnt get a full refund[2018/06/21 11:17] Prokofy Neva: No she has it now, it takes out a cancellation fee, but I wrote her that I would return it manually but I had to go AFK[2018/06/21 11:21] doobeedoo Littlething: fab thnx i will recomend u to more[2018/06/21 11:24] Prokofy Neva: thanks[2018/06/28 13:37] Prokofy Neva: Hi, I saw you refunded in Zephyr. Did you have any problems there? BTW I am sending an LM to the Ravenglass docks which I recently renovated, that's my cheapest stall I think.[2018/06/28 13:38] Second Life: Inventory item 'Ravenglass Rentals $20 Ravenglass Hall Market' offered[2018/06/28 13:38] doobeedoo Littlething: oh i have a huge plot of land all ready i have a mall i just got that plot cus i knew kaT WAS LOOKIN BUT SHE GOT A BIGGER 1 FROM U[2018/06/28 13:38] Prokofy Neva: oh ok I saw yes[2018/07/19 14:41] Second Life: Inventory item 'Reply to kateyes' offered[2018/07/19 14:41] Prokofy Neva: Hi, do you understand what this is about?[2018/07/19 14:41] Prokofy Neva: she didn't answer me, and maybe she didn't get my answrs but I'm not getting the issue[2018/07/19 14:42] Prokofy Neva: it's always better to own your own land, and have your own group on an island, but that's more expensive -- but a group mainland rental really gives you just as many powers and you can set things as you wish pretty much. The "returning items" is a mystery to me[2018/07/19 14:43] doobeedoo Littlething: eh???????????????[2018/07/19 14:44] Prokofy Neva: read the notecard[2018/07/19 14:44] doobeedoo Littlething: i dont understand[2018/07/19 14:44] Prokofy Neva: your friend kateyes asked me to make it so her land is in search (easily done) and she has a landing point (she can put it in herself) and then said so people can't return her stuff[2018/07/19 14:44] Prokofy Neva: that I don't get[2018/07/19 14:44] Prokofy Neva: you can't return group-set items[2018/07/19 14:44] Prokofy Neva: unless they are in share[2018/07/19 14:44] doobeedoo Littlething: i had stuff returend to me too[2018/07/19 14:44] Prokofy Neva: I do see some browsers that do this occasionally but they are griefer browsers[2018/07/19 14:44] doobeedoo Littlething: by a neighbour[2018/07/19 14:45] Prokofy Neva: were they in "share"?[2018/07/19 14:45] Prokofy Neva: were they set to the group?[2018/07/19 14:45] doobeedoo Littlething: lol no[2018/07/19 14:45] Prokofy Neva: if they aren't group-set, they can't be returned[2018/07/19 14:45] Prokofy Neva: I can demonstrate this to you, it's a coding in the group, a permission you give or don't give[2018/07/19 14:46] Prokofy Neva: if they are not in share, and set to the group, Firestorm cannot return them -- I've tested this a zillion times because it also seemed to me that sometimes people did this, but when they did it was because of share or not group set[2018/07/19 14:47] doobeedoo Littlething: well i aint silly lol been on a long time i never set tu shair and it was some chick who returned them[2018/07/19 14:47] Prokofy Neva: how could she do that?[2018/07/19 14:47] Prokofy Neva: come here, and I will demonstrate it to you, you are no doubt on Firestorm, I'm not[2018/07/19 14:48] doobeedoo Littlething: i dont need lessons lol than[2018/07/19 14:48] doobeedoo Littlething: thanx[2018/07/19 14:48] Prokofy Neva: doobee, I'd like to see how on earth someone can return a group-set prim[2018/07/19 14:49] Prokofy Neva: as I have tested this before when this claim was made, but who knows, maybe Firestorm changes and enables this because they don't care[2018/07/19 14:50] Second Life: Teleport offer sent to secondlife:///app/agent/41d7eb9f-a0e9-4503-98d7-d84990066a01/completename[2018/07/19 14:50] Prokofy Neva: just come for a sec and test it[2018/07/19 15:01] doobeedoo Littlething: im working man[2018/07/19 15:05] Prokofy Neva: not getting what this is really about, thanks for referring a customer, sorry it didn't work out for reasons that mystify me, I will still shop in your store[2018/07/19 15:14] doobeedoo Littlething: yea im sorry i cant help u i dont know anything about it but i do know i have stuff sent bk to me and id liek to help but im workin at mo maybe later[2018/07/19 15:14] doobeedoo Littlething: mayble just a sl glitch ??[2018/07/19 15:16] Prokofy Neva: Have tested it with Whirly Fizgig who hs endless patience for testing this stuff and we could not prove it in any way if share was not on, and if it were set to the group but if someone has this fear based on what you are telling them there's nothing I can do, I recently had two things come back because -- guess what, they were in share. I forgot I had put them in share for a customer. Same with things not group set. Maybe a glitch, and even so, I view it as a non-issue. Fortunately in my rentals people get refunds and can come and go as they please.[2018/07/19 15:16] doobeedoo Littlething: ikm not telling any1 anything???[2018/07/19 15:16] Prokofy Neva: she's convinced someone is going to return her stuff[2018/07/19 15:17] doobeedoo Littlething: well did u tell her no 1 can[2018/07/19 15:17] Prokofy Neva: you are reporting that your stuff was returned by a fellow tenant somehow[2018/07/19 15:17] Prokofy Neva: yes I have told her twice, but she keeps saying "bu buy" and no sense in being annoying, she has her fears, maybe an island will be better[2018/07/19 15:17] doobeedoo Littlething: i know she wasnt happy with her show in places ? and it was in rentals[2018/07/19 15:17] Prokofy Neva: but she didn't put it in -- this is something she can do herself -- and I put it in for her finally[2018/07/19 15:18] Prokofy Neva: she herself has to do all this -- change the land menu -- these are cheap, self-service rentals. I help people if they have problems, she puts it in store, etc, this is all doable in one second with one click[2018/07/19 15:18] doobeedoo Littlething: i should of stayed in the group i guess and did it ,,no point now tho..its only 1 tennant i wouldnt loose sleep over it[2018/07/19 15:18] Prokofy Neva: it wasn't sinking in, she didn't have the patience, whatever, I understand, I am online all the time, I went immediately and put her thing in search, but maybe it got left in "rentals" -- but I had told her she herself can change the title, the description, the landing point etc[2018/07/19 15:18] Second Life: User not online - message will be stored and delivered later.[2018/07/19 15:20] doobeedoo Littlething: well i can assuere u she didnt leave becouse of me[2018/07/19 15:45] Prokofy Neva: well FWIW I just had a tenant with resident powers here testing in fact on a thing that was floating above my office owned by kate set to group and "see in search" (which is not worth bothering with any more) -- prims get away from you due to SL glitches as you know, so this was a chance to test -- and she could not return that or any other group-set prim without search or anything UNLESS it was in share[2018/07/19 15:46] doobeedoo Littlething: dude i dont knwo why u keep coming to me and plz quite the caps lock bs im nto yur twennant i didnt leave due to anyotherreason than i got the land 4 her tu start with talk tu her its becoming nasty and u really dotn want to go there with me[2018/07/19 15:48] Prokofy Neva: dudess, since you've made a blanket claim that seriously impacts group Mainland rentals and not only for me, and it's hardly only about one customer, I'd like to find the truth of it -- or not. It's not about you or her, she has left, got a refund, and even got her stray stuff returned. FWIW is not "all caps," it's an acronym. Bye doobee! Do be a do bee, don't be a don't bee.[2018/07/19 15:49] doobeedoo Littlething: no wonder she left[2018/07/19 16:06] doobeedoo Littlething: you have hastled me for near 3 hours over a 1 of your tennants leaveing i spoke with her and her reasons had fuck all to do with me she asked you for more rights udidnt give them to her her landwas show in rentals her landing point would not set and ppl could return her stuff weather u want to acceptthat or not,but continuesly getting up my are is bangout of order i will not recomend u again,your rude and out of order they way that you speek to ppl and if u spoke to her that way im not shocked she left,,she has new land with a new landlord who is nice helpfull friendly and gave her 100% rights.... and im sure as hell he wont get in her friends ims if she leaves ,

So...

THESE ARE ALL FALSE ACCUSATIONS AS THE CHAT LOGS PROVE.

She was immediately given resident rights as all tenants are, and cards explaining them

She used them! She herself obviously put in her description and texture.

She didn't absorb the fact that she could set her own landing rights although most people figure it out even if not reading or absording because they see THEY CAN when accessing the menu. But when she asked for this, it was explained to her in an IM, in person.

She never mentioned the category issue, but that, too was fixable. That right isn't given in the group but I can change it and usually do when putting a parcel in search. On the regular SL viewer, in my groups, you cannot put a parcel in search because the power isn't granted (it costs money when done so it is not given out). You can't change the category again, because people change rentals to stores and put them in search and violate the rules by putting a store in a residential area, especially the cheapest subsidized areas, and I see no reason why my cheapest land for residents should be available for your business, and you make more money off that parcel than me -- especially if I subsidize it. I have slightly more expensive commercial lots for that. But in this case, she was on an approved lot for commercial use with the pledged free search ad.

No one could return her stuff. I tested that. On her very stuff LOL. I have witnesses to this. If her stuff returned, it was going on stray lots NOT my group, which makes it return. THAT her stuff strayed was visible to me when I found one of her items set to sale in the air above my office. It happens. SL doesn't work perfectly. The assumption of bugs and ill will is misplaced, especially when EVERY interaction you've had with a landlord up til then was prompt and did exactly what you asked.

That screenshot notes that the item in question is called "Object". Not the name of a gatcha thing or anything titled. Is that an indication that maybe it wasn't set to group? Parcel owner return merely means autoreturn for non-group items. doobeedoo really has no proof that she herself had the group tag on while putting out this object at her friend's store. She may not have.

[2018/07/19 16:08] doobeedoo Littlething: i opologise it was left i did not klnow or i would opf took it[2018/07/19 16:34] Prokofy Neva: Don't be ridiculous. Nobody hassled you for three hours. I explained to you the fallacious ideas that you had. I haven't spoken to you in some inappropriate way and I didn't speak much to her at all -- I went and helped your friend, gave her cards, explained that she herself could put in the landing point and change the description if she switched to resident. She obviously did do that much as she changed the name, description, and title and put in a texture all by herself. She can't put in the checkoff for search -- but I put that in. She had merely to switch from rental to store. If that didn't work, she could have asked but it should have. She got helpful friendly service. But she was in a panic about something else --a belief that her prims could be returned! Which is NOT True. When people threaten me with reputation damaging over bullshit, I fight back with publicity. If I would have been happy to shop in your store until now, with this last message, that's off, and you get an active boycott.

Once again

You are given rights in Ravenglass Rentals and related groups to do everything you need for a store. This is not "100% rights" as no landlord gives you the right to sell that land you are renting, or put in a search ad you haven't paid for or been offered, so I don't know what she's talking about there.

But you have the right to:

o Set home to here -- that comes INSTANTLY with tenant status which is OPEN and you get immediately

o Set prims -- that comes INSTANTLY with tenant status which is OPEN and you get immediately

o Set landing point anywhere or nowhere -- that comes AFTER you are granted resident status and you yourself switch to that status

o Return non-group prims

o Change title of land and land description

o Add picture

o Make other changes to about land -- that includes turning off build, fly, object entry etc. Some people don't like the fact that open membership enables building anywhere. I find this to be WAY more of a boon for tenants than a bane, but if they don't like it, they can shut it OFF. Many uncheck everything of that type, even "everyone scripts" and leave only "group scripts".

o Add Experiences

So what does this boil down to?

This customer did not realize she could set her own landing point -- it just didn't sink in.

Even when her land was put in search, she didn't seem to absorb the information told her -- and the explanation of why she couldn't see the checkoff.

Yes, her category was wrong but a) that doesn't matter for search/places AT ALL b) it's fixable by asking.

Let's dwell on this point for a minute because it's the one area where I'm happy to concede I didn't change it for her as I would normally (but it wasn't a typical store lot). It truly doesn't matter, people. Look at search. How do you search for things in search? There isn't an option "Let me search for all parcels checked 'store'." SL search does not work that way.

You have people, groups etc and then you have SEARCH/PLACES. That search pull-down has an additional sub-option of categories on the left-hand side -- but what difference will it make to a) a search on a store name itself (none) b) a search on key words (likely irrelevant).

Same for Classifieds.

Land & Rentals is a further elaboration that you would have to check the radio button for to get "rent" or "buy" -- "store" is irrelevant.

If the theory is that the change to "Shopping" in the subset of Search/places away from "Rentals" (which isn't there and therefore doesn't show up) would raise your listing higher in search, well, hmm.

Just out of curiosity, what IS the use case for when the CATEGORY of land would matter? Well, a search of only "Destinations". Hangout gives one thing; store another if you use that as your search word only.

But using it in a category pull down additionally to search words doesn't matter.

Try it yourself. Search Search/places with the word "gatcha" using "all categories" or "shopping". You get nearly the same results.

But a search/places you are looking at with terms like "rugs" or "hair". Yes, you CAN indeed further refine your search on the left with the pull-down of categories. But why bother? Who does that? I don't think that is typical behaviour. Perhaps someone would like to comment.

More to the point, look at that categories list on this photo please. RENTALS is not even on it. Shopping is. Since people can argue furiously about such things especially on the forums, let's look at a screen shot.

Here I am at that very lot in Furness, looking at the categories list. It's in Rental because...it's for rent.

But...when I go to the menu for Search/Places if I make a classified, let's say, "Rentals" as a category doesn't exist.

Let's change the name to "Ravenglass Kittycats 4Ever" -- it doesn't show up right away. But what you see -- there isn't any "Rentals" category at all. That's why IT DOES NOT MATTER. You could switch it to shopping, but that doesn't do anything. You could call it Parks or Hangout or Shopping and the only problem is that Shopping will be a crowded category for gatcha anyway. But if you have traffic won organically and people really do like your store you will show up higher.

Let me time how long this takes to show up in search these days -- sometimes it's fast, sometimes it's slow but I really can't see the category as affecting anything. Prove to me that it does.

Anyway, an associate is lost in SL because they were stupid and irritable. The record shows I tried to help, and tried to get to the bottom of their problem. More and more, it becomes not worth it, although I do get some who appreciate it.

07/13/2018

Some tenants are just really super needy, and they adapt a learned helplessness and keep asking for service or asking questions they know the answers to just to socialize and get attention. I'm not good at giving it to them.

As I always say, if you are unhappy with your self-service rental, you need to fire yourself -- that means refund LOL.

This one just went on and on, and I was tolerant of her, but it never is worth it.

She then started up with the "suspicions of evil grasping landlord" bullshit that I also totally don't tolerate.

So I block her. She doesn't refund at first, she goes to my office. Why? To grief? To join the correct group she couldn't join before although that's not how to do it (there are group joiners on site all over the place she rented).

Then she starts bitching in the group, but I didn't see it, as I had her blocked.

Would you be my friend? Since I am your new tenant and know absolutely no one here plz : / (no pressure, though : P) love your place btw and look forward to full investigation of all the lovlies it has to offer

(By default, you will be able to see each other's online status.)[2017/06/27 12:13] Prokofy Neva: Hi, these are self-service rentals, if you need anything IM with a detailed message and locaiton and I should get back to you soon.[2017/06/27 12:14] Second Life: Friendship offer accepted.[2017/06/27 12:14] Lisa-Gina (rahulisa): Oh tysvm : D awwwww and tks for the acceptance : )[2017/06/27 12:15] Second Life: Inventory item 'SL PUBLIC LAND PRESERVE' offered[2017/06/27 12:17] Lisa-Gina (rahulisa): wow goodness but ill never be bored here[2017/06/27 12:17] Lisa-Gina (rahulisa): tks again ; )[2017/06/27 12:22] Prokofy Neva: do you want the door locked[2017/06/27 19:00] Lisa-Gina (rahulisa): (Saved Tue Jun 27 15:57:30 2017)Ooohhh sorry I was so busy trying to remember the easy way to put a platform up (at about 800Ms), I did not see your inquiry....yes when ever you have the extra time, I would love to have the door locked or lockable again TYSVM : )[2017/06/27 19:45] Lisa-Gina (rahulisa): Hello Mr. Neva I hate to bother you but I am rusty ...can you tell me if im as high up as I am trying to be? approximately 10k m to insure I am over 8km?[2017/06/27 19:46] Lisa-Gina (rahulisa): In fact if you have one split moment to comfirm im not too wide and too low with my platform I will greatly appreciate[2017/06/27 19:46] Second Life: secondlife:///app/agent/79c8d6f9-7c06-4ba3-821c-43a52907fef7/about has offered to teleport you to their location:

"Join me in Yelas http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Yelas/245/246/1064” <icon>Parcel_M_Dark</icon> - Moderate[2017/06/27 19:50] Lisa-Gina (rahulisa): if u tp here there is a taxi[2017/06/27 20:12] Lisa-Gina (rahulisa): its ok one of the neighbors helped and said the height was good and that I can go higher tks anyway : )[2017/06/27 20:45] Prokofy Neva: Hi, I've been AFK and can't come now. I don't know if you read the info cards but the rule is that any platforms or skyboxes have to be at least 500 meters or higher above your rental. It's not possible to even fly up 10,000 k. At 4096, teleporters stop working. So just make sure you are out of the view at 500 or higher. You can tell your hight by going to world/world map/ and then locating at the last number on "location" or "SLURL".[2017/06/27 20:49] Lisa-Gina (rahulisa): its Z 1063.966 some stranger told me I was fine and can come higher if I like...Sorry im such an idiot my ex-hubby used to do this stuff no friends were on sorry to bother u with such trivia stuff...I just relearned how to copy from youtube yayyy... thanks for responding tc : 0[2017/06/27 20:50] Prokofy Neva: Hi, you don't go by what neighbours say, but by what the lease says, which is 500 or higher. Most people would want to go 1000-3000, but it depends on what else you see in the air at that level from our property or the neighbours, so adjust accordingly. The TP can't work above 4096.[2017/06/27 20:58] Lisa-Gina (rahulisa): well I sent u the numbers I see and I will bedarned if I know what they mean, im just trying to be a good legal tenant...once I am finished I will not bother anyone I am here for pleasure setting up is too much like work. I do know blue Z means up oand down im at the number I sent you and I tp-ed to get here, so I do think, in this instance, the neighbor is right. So it seems im good I do realize that my ignorance is none fault but my..own, eventually a friend will come on and explain things to me ty hagd soon I will be as quiet as a mouse[2017/06/27 21:00] Prokofy Neva: Yes, I realize the numbers can be confusing at first. Each prim has the XYZ axis. The blue Z axis is what you should focus on. If you type "1000" into that space on a platform, it will shoot up to that level. You can sit on it first so you go up with it, or fly up and follow the height on the map. In any event 1000 plus should be fine.[2017/06/27 21:05] Lisa-Gina (rahulisa): I see that info will be handy if I decide to put up another platform btw I did type the height but erroneous included a m for meters it did not work so I guess-amated by adding 10 in front of the z numbers... and trembled but apparently I was lucky your info is clear and easy tysvm I read the cards' tos right off it did not help me much but tks again tc[2017/07/02 22:02] Second Life: secondlife:///app/agent/79c8d6f9-7c06-4ba3-821c-43a52907fef7/completename paid you L$450.[2017/07/03 02:47] Second Life: secondlife:///app/agent/79c8d6f9-7c06-4ba3-821c-43a52907fef7/completename paid you L$450.[2017/07/03 10:12] Lisa-Gina (rahulisa): tyvm for the blue sky, if you are responsible for it...its lovely[2017/07/03 10:39] Prokofy Neva: Hi, no, it just comes automatically on the mainland[2017/07/03 10:41] Lisa-Gina (rahulisa): ty u for responding to my inanity, was gone awhile am relearning...anyhoo I likey : )[2017/07/08 03:44] Lisa-Gina (rahulisa): hi sir hru? fine I hope, Im well. I have no problems I really adore living here[2017/07/08 03:48] Prokofy Neva: glad you like it[2017/07/08 03:48] Lisa-Gina (rahulisa): I was wondering ofc if it is no trouble for u could u tell me how many prims I am using so I can see if I have to delete some stuff for this big aquarium im making? I would greatly appreciate it...but if its a bother I will count everything from scratch[2017/07/08 03:48] Lisa-Gina (rahulisa): I love it : )[2017/07/08 03:49] Prokofy Neva: you can right-click on the ground and see the "about land" menu, tab over to "objects" and see "land impact"[2017/07/08 03:49] Lisa-Gina (rahulisa): ok[2017/07/08 03:51] Lisa-Gina (rahulisa): : ) sorry im so dumb as gum I used to know this stuff I was away too long I think[2017/07/08 03:51] Lisa-Gina (rahulisa): tysm tc[2017/08/13 20:11] Second Life: secondlife:///app/agent/79c8d6f9-7c06-4ba3-821c-43a52907fef7/completename paid you L$300.[2017/08/21 12:02] Lisa-Gina (rahulisa): (Saved Mon Aug 21 12:38:43 2017)I joined and do not even know if their are freebies or not...im so sprung![2017/08/21 12:02] Lisa-Gina (rahulisa): (Saved Mon Aug 21 12:40:10 2017)ooooMG so sorry this chat is misposted plz disregard : / blush...still loving my rental btw : P[2017/08/21 12:25] Prokofy Neva: Hi, I have free group gifts in the office in Alston if that's of interest[2017/08/21 12:25] Lisa-Gina (rahulisa): User not online - message will be stored and delivered later.[2017/08/21 12:25] Second Life: Inventory item 'RAVENGLASS RENTALS OFFICE LOW-COST HIGH-PRIM MAINLAND' offered[2017/08/21 12:25] Lisa-Gina (rahulisa): User not online - inventory has been saved.[2017/08/21 21:14] Lisa-Gina (rahulisa): (Saved Mon Aug 21 22:10:24 2017)All so sweet of you I will go see thank you so very much I just love being a renter of yours : D[2017/10/04 01:49] Second Life: secondlife:///app/agent/79c8d6f9-7c06-4ba3-821c-43a52907fef7/completename paid you L$450.[2018/01/03 12:26] Prokofy Neva: Hi the rent is due in Yelas[2018/01/03 12:26] Lisa-Gina (rahulisa): User not online - message will be stored and delivered later.[2018/03/17 07:07] Second Life: secondlife:///app/agent/79c8d6f9-7c06-4ba3-821c-43a52907fef7/about has given you this notecard: secondlife:///app/inventory/a44ec306-4ebf-c4cc-7862-690bad71c3e3/select?name=Learn2Discern%20and%20developan%20open-mind[2018/03/17 07:07] Second Life: secondlife:///app/agent/79c8d6f9-7c06-4ba3-821c-43a52907fef7/about has given you this notecard: secondlife:///app/inventory/96825d3a-b780-b654-881f-a145fac79b9f/select?name=MESMERIZED...have%20they%20yet%20had%20enough%3F[2018/03/17 20:46] Second Life: secondlife:///app/agent/79c8d6f9-7c06-4ba3-821c-43a52907fef7/about has given you this notecard: secondlife:///app/inventory/bc11cc71-5f7d-b5a5-0a92-f05dedb6b7c1/select?name=All%20about%20the%20base...[2018/03/17 21:16] Prokofy Neva: Hi, I don't want to get these mailings.[2018/03/17 21:16] Lisa-Gina (rahulisa): User not online - message will be stored and delivered later.[2018/03/20 11:16] Lisa-Gina (rahulisa): ok sorry but I did ask that people not interested or that are trumphets to please leave my list...sorry you did not get that message by and take good care[2018/03/21 03:57] Rahulisa: (Saved Wed Mar 21 04:42:10 2018)OMG I am 1000 times sorry I had been gone a lot and forgot your name. : ( I thought you were one of the friends on my list that have been receiving my message cards since 2016 before the election[2018/03/21 03:57] Rahulisa: (Saved Wed Mar 21 04:44:18 2018)I realize now that you are/were my landlord, shoot I thought you were jailed or dead...but you were just kind I missed paying rent so much...plz forgive my mistake and tell me how much I owe you[2018/07/13 11:47] Fancy Lisa (rahulisa): Why have I been kicked out and since I have been where are the months lindens I paid ahead for rent?[2018/07/13 11:50] Fancy Lisa (rahulisa): Sir I formally request a refund of my lindens if I am not to be allowed to live there so I can use them to move else where...[2018/07/13 11:51] Fancy Lisa (rahulisa): Whether you tell me why or not is neither here nor there...but sir withholding my lindens ...well that borders on criminal[2018/07/13 11:53] Prokofy Neva: Hi, as I told you, you DO NOT need to be in Ravenglass Rentals at all, I've told you that twice. The groups charge money, so there is no need to be in a group that isn't for that area, you only need Seven Lindens. Get a grip, Rahulisa, nobody is "witholding" your Lindens. You can refund any time, for a small cancellation fee which is returned if you rent elsewhere.[2018/07/13 11:54] Prokofy Neva: If you are able to believe that someone who has knocked themselves out for tenants and who has been in business for 13 years under terrible conditions, then don't rent from me. The end.[2018/07/13 11:56] Fancy Lisa (rahulisa): But I did not know you as that way[2018/07/13 11:56] Fancy Lisa (rahulisa): this why I ask O.o[2018/07/13 11:57] Prokofy Neva: I don't know what you're going on about, I went to the trouble to check on your rental because you said you couldn't rez, sometimes build is turned off (it wasn't), I saw you were in a group you didn't need to be in and saved you a fee, if you find it SUCH A SHOCK to be kicked from an OPEN GROUP I can't help you. Done.[2018/07/13 11:57] Fancy Lisa (rahulisa): If I knew you as an azz hole I would not be asking u[2018/07/13 11:57] Fancy Lisa (rahulisa): I would aready know[2018/07/13 11:57] Prokofy Neva: You are being an asshole yourself even thinking you are ripped off, so as I said, done, if you don't appreciate my cheap rentals with nice features, move on[2018/07/13 13:26] Second Life: You have blocked this Resident. Sending a message will automatically unblock them.

Then her group chat:

[12:57] Fancy Lisa (rahulisa): matter at hand instead assuming there was something dark behind my words[12:58] Latte' (xocolattae): it seems to be a little melodramatic and one-sided?[12:58] Fancy Lisa (rahulisa): If you do not apologize Oh well it really sucks to be you[12:59] Fancy Lisa (rahulisa): it is illegal with SL TOS to post others text

WHAT IS SHE GOING ON ABOUT? NOBODY HAS POSTED HER TEXT -- UNTIL NOW. AND PS -- IT IS ILLEGAL ONLY ON LL SERVERS, THEY HAVE NO JURISDICTION OUTSIDE OF SL AND THEIR SERVERS. PEOPLE ARE SO GODDAMN STUPID.

[12:59] Fancy Lisa (rahulisa): I respect thart[12:59] Fancy Lisa (rahulisa): but I was shocked at his negativity[13:00] Fancy Lisa (rahulisa): and now I would like to just as respectfully[13:00] Fancy Lisa (rahulisa): cancel my apt[13:00] Fancy Lisa (rahulisa): but though he indicated I am welcome to go[13:00] Fancy Lisa (rahulisa): he failed to tell me how[13:01] Fancy Lisa (rahulisa): especially with the silly apt refusing to acknowledge me

WHY DO PEOPLE NEVER NOTICE THE REFUND BUTTON ON THE SAME GODDAMN BOX THEY PAID? THE APARTMENT DOESN'T 'ACKNOWLEDGE YOU'. YOU JOIN THE GODDAMN GROUP. SHE WAS IN THE GROUP. UM, IT'S AN OPEN GROUP? AND PS THE DOOR LOCK WITH HER NAME IS NOT 'AN APARTMENT ACKNOWLEDING HER'. WHY ARE PEOPLE SO FUCKING STUPID???

[13:02] Fancy Lisa (rahulisa): It ok[13:02] Fancy Lisa (rahulisa): I will putter around and figure it out or not[13:03] Fancy Lisa (rahulisa): just thought I would luck up on some decent type that would help me[13:03] Latte' (xocolattae): 5 managers have that eject right but not ban[13:03] Fancy Lisa (rahulisa): nevermind[13:03] Latte' (xocolattae): ddi you try to just boot her from the group[13:03] Fancy Lisa (rahulisa): Who?[13:03] Fancy Lisa (rahulisa): and what group?[13:04] Fancy Lisa (rahulisa): who are you asking this?[13:04] Fancy Lisa (rahulisa): OOOOh forget[13:04] Fancy Lisa (rahulisa): im gone[13:05] Fancy Lisa (rahulisa): I would not live here for free now[13:05] Fancy Lisa (rahulisa): LOL[13:05] Fancy Lisa (rahulisa): sheesh[13:05] DJ Mitchell (mitchell.indigo): what hapepned?

06/15/2018

I'm VERY late to the party with this round (and I forgot to post last round after making the list!) but it's still worth boycotting Arcade, and here is the Wall of Shame.

Remember the reasons for the Boycott -- never setting foot on their islands:

1) Pull prices are too high.

2) Organizers are nasty.

3) Organizers will not challenge the Lindens on the LindEx manipulations.

When people say, "Oh, but Prokofy, this is a free economy (um...), and they can do what they want," I say, sure! And so can I. The definition of a free economy is: "A willing buyer meets a willing seller." And the answer is: I'm not a willing buyer anymore, and neither are a lot of people.

And it's good to fight back, as this is ridiculous.

I truly wonder why Lucas Lameth, for example, puts his beautiful sculptures into a gatcha for $100, instead of just charging $150 for them at a non-gatcha event, or in his store, because people would pay that, and then get the one they want.

And the answer is: maybe he gets more sales? Or you "have" to be in these crazy rounds or you fall out of sight of the customer?

Something has to give. Hence my boycott.

You can always go and buy these things for less on the MP. I just did with Plaaka's flower cake, for example.

Interestingly, Trompe Loeil, one of the founding merchants of Arcade, whom I do not like and who I've criticized for her favoured position with the Lab (I'm told she's a relative of somebody high up?!), in fairness, had her Emmeline Loungers at a mere $25. You never see that any more outside 30L Saturday and Redeux.

If your complaint is, but those creators with $75/pull or more have hair, or dresses, or some really fancy contraption, if you will.

To which I say but:

Nani - Dreamy Pond - Lilypad Dress.

Contrast D-Lab with NomadRiot - just as nice robes, lingerie and accessories for only $50Tableau Vivant - just as nice hair

One particular horror of this round: horrid - Plastik's Sweet Meese

So while I'm here, let me publish the previous round's list -- there were slightly less:

06/10/2018

It's always humorous to see how people lie about their own actions and try to cover their tracks.

A long-time tenant of mine in Baileya where I have the Coney Island of the Mind boardwalk and attractions IM'd me in distress to say a woman who had just bought the land next to our group land was coming in her house, bothering her, etc. so she banned her, and then this woman put up a giant sign saying HERE ARE BAN LINES.

Like that's going to work on me.

The tenant is upset and although she has been there for awhile asks where she could move, so I suggest some other options.

Of course it's the tenant's right to put in the ban list anyone she wishes.

This "nice new neighbour" then starts fire primming. Gosh, I haven't seen fire prims since like 2007. Quaint!

I fly out there, and put the neighbour -- named Raziel Lyric (which shows her age since she has a last name) with other likely alts in all the land in our group on Baileya.

I return some of the fire prims that encroach.

She IM's me the following faux apology:

[2018/06/08 14:44] Raziel Lyric: (Saved Fri Jun 08 13:17:08 2018)Hi. How are you?[2018/06/08 14:44] Raziel Lyric: (Saved Fri Jun 08 13:45:42 2018)Your tenants are really driving me mental. This morning one of them kept coming into my home over and over again. I had to just watch my nearby chat eject him like ten times. o.o I put up ban lines on them because they had banned me because I was trying to see if anyone was renting the house. (I just bought the land next door.. I've already made friends with the other neighbors beside of them) Instead, they put me on a ban list which makes it difficult to fly over when i'm trying to build stuff on my land. I started to be crappy about it and put up huge signs, but couldn't stand the sight of them myself and took them down. (I also returned a gate to you because it opened on my land and they already had their ban lines up at that point so I was being petty. Sorry for that.)

I respond in the only way you can with assholes like this (um, "coming into the house to see if it was rented" when the rental box is paid outside?)

[2018/06/08 14:49] Prokofy Neva: No, you're driving all of us "mental" with your ugly big signs, dearie. You will find yourself banned from all our lands because you're been creating a public nuisance. You don't even have a home on your land in Baileya, I examined it this morning, so it's hard to believe you.. My tenant of long standing whom I have no reason to disbelieve told me it was you who went in her house, which is why she banned you -- which is her right. The sign was even forcing her to move out and she was looking for other rentals. What you will find is that if you put up big signs like that, I put up even bigger signs and I'm not going anywhere, I've dealt with people like you for 13 years in SL and do not suffer fools lightly. You will remain in my ban lines even though you have taken down your signs until I see if they remain down -- the end. I don't need "friends" and I appreciate neighbours who abide by some basic sense of decency.[2018/06/08 14:50] Raziel Lyric: My home is in smoky.[2018/06/08 17:29] Second Life: Message from Second Life: <nolink>Your object 'Be Back Soon' has been returned to your inventory Lost and Found folder by Raziel Lyric from parcel 'Ravenglass Rentals $150 Beachview in Coney Island' at Baileya 81, 214 due to parcel owner return.</nolink>[2018/06/08 17:30] Second Life: Message from Second Life: <nolink>Your object 'Be Back Soon' has been returned to your inventory Lost and Found folder by Raziel Lyric from parcel 'Ravenglass Rentals $150 Beachview in Coney Island' at Baileya 95, 223 due to parcel owner return.</nolink>[2018/06/08 17:35] Second Life: Message from Second Life: <nolink>Your object 'Be Back Soon' has been returned to your inventory Lost and Found folder by Raziel Lyric from parcel 'Ravenglass Rentals $150 Beachview in Coney Island' at Baileya 90, 218 due to parcel owner return.</nolink>[2018/06/08 17:35] Second Life: Message from Second Life: <nolink>Your object 'Be Back Soon' has been returned to your inventory Lost and Found folder by Raziel Lyric from parcel 'Ravenglass Rentals $150 Beachview in Coney Island' at Baileya 91, 216 due to parcel owner return.</nolink>

You see, all the land she has bought in Baileya was EMPTY. There were no builds on any of it, except for the big ugly signs. Today, she's added a little house on one parcel but the rest are blank and all were empty yesterday.

As for "her home in Smoky," the next sim over, it requires a real stretch to believe that my tenant, who has her own home and life, is going to go all the way up to Raziel's "home in Smoky" and go in and out of it, it's not adjacent.

Meanwhile, my tenant, is convinced it's not going to get better. She moves out and refunds.

WITHIN FOUR MINUTES someone named MINOS Neximus moves in. Another oldbie with a name. Funny, that. How did he find out about this rental SO FAST? It's not even in search yet since I figured it wasn't so desirable with the fire primming. Long, long experience in SL lets me know this MINOS is likely related to Raziel Lyric.

I fly out there, refund him in full, boot, and ban him. Usually people caught like that shut up and move along, but some sputter, which he did. I block him.

She then puts out more fire prims -- I return some more and put up a) Power to the People! -- a bright, closing nuclear power plant that helps people sometimes to understand what a good neighbour was worth b) Be Back Soon, the Wired photo of me and c) Tyger, tyger burning bright/in the forest of the night/what immortal hand or eye/dare frame thy fearful symmetry? Does poetry work on the beasts? It just occurred to me. Sometimes I'll put up "Something there is that does not love a wall..."

Raziel kept returning things that in fact were not even near the border, indicating possibly Firestorm abilities (she may have temporarily joined the open group, it does that) or griefer viewers.

I decided to just remain on site holding the prim in edit which would make it impossible to return, and went AFK. But I noticed that the entire time, on my avatar radar, I see Raziel Lyric and MINOS Neximus remain together next to each other. So obviously, he's not a random fly-by who just "happened" to see a rental 4 minutes after it was refunded, he's related to her.

In fact, it's quite possible that Raziel's shtick all along was to harass my tenant until she moved out, then move in her boyfriend, although she had a whole bunch of land she just bought. Won't be the first time I've seen that! CherryBomb Hare comes to mind, for example.

I root the items better and they stop returning.

Today, I see now not fire prims -- they would bother her on her own land LOL -- but giant walls with pictures of fires, and also my Coney Island big board returned, which I put up to hide an ugly photo-real wall on a build next to us.

Well, I'll wait. I've waited 4-5-10 years sometimes for things in SL to go away and I am impervious to this kind of blackmailing.

Meanwhile, Raziel puts up this false and self-serving notice on her land:

"She's mad, but she's magic. There's no lie in her fire."Hate the fire?? IM Prokofy Neva and urge him to apologize for being rude.Love the fire?? IM me for a bag of marshmellows and a chair to sit in!

06/07/2018

So this guy named Garth Lannock who I had never heard of before rents a little stall on the board walk.

Somehow I didn't see his payment come in but the next day I noticed a 1500 traffic on this board walk, which is way higher than it ever is, even being across from a newbie infohub and being a rentals area where a fair number people do walk around and shop -- and there's one guy who even uses it as his regular inworld landing area. It's all good. Who could mind traffic? But odd traffic patterns are clues to squatters or trouble like littering so I went to investigate. I've had squatters here before -- 800 prims up in the sky above Prok's Seafood -- like I'm not going to notice.

The landing there at Coney Island of the Mind as I call it actually takes you to another guy's stall that I have made a little square for so he can have an ad and be in search -- he is a long-time tenant, both for residential and commercial and I did that for him.

I look around and see the new guy's stall. At first I couldn't tell what he was selling (the first time I saw it, it wasn't as finished as it was here), but it looked interesting -- a kind of portal board where you could click and TP to various venues. I thought at first it was a rental business. This doesn't bother me, anyone who rents a stall can put anything in it to sell, including rentals, if it doesn't violate the TOS or block the boardwalk.

See what I mean? It's well done. I have portal boards, but this one is like a calendar and better done.

I noticed then that the little stall had a big armchair and the guy himself was sitting in it (I took the picture later, when I came back and found him standing near it). Thinking maybe he was still setting up his product vendor, I said something in chat then realized he was AFK. Then I realized the traffic was likely from him, although 1500 is not possible from one avatar -- but maybe he was TPing alts or friends.

This is annoying first of all because it's stupid. You don't sell a product from traffic, especially artificially-created traffic. Traffic doesn't make sales; only sales make sales. I say this to all my tenants. I offer cheap rentals ($35/38 prims)-- they need to make or do something to get sales that doesn't involve traffic gimmicks which I don't allow -- no shouters, fishing, lucky chairs, bots, etc. etc.

I especially don't like bots or camping because they take up slots on the sim that other people need -- rentals and visitors. Once you get up over 20 on these sims, they lag. And again -- why? It's stupid.

So I IM him that bots and camping are not allowed, and that refunding is always an option. He doesn't reply -- that day or the next. I then come back there again, seeing the traffic is still high the next day. I see him still sitting in the chair. I study the thing more closely. I see he's a performer advertising a TP board that takes you to performances. That seems like a great idea, and I'm happy to have it on the board walk because people will actually use it. It doesn't seem that the thing itself is for sale -- although it could be and make money -- it's more about the entree to the various concerts. It all seems good -- but I don't want him sitting here camping. And honestly, if he is a performer, WHY IS HE DOING SUCH A DUMB THING?

I IM him again. He doesn't answer again.

[07:48] Prokofy Neva: Since you're not paying attention to my messages, I'll try eject and ban. I don't allow camping or bots on my land to drive up traffic. It's not how sales are made and doesn't do anything for you. This is a cheap rental to enable people to have a business without high costs, but you have to make a desirable product and advertise it in other ways to get sales. Refund is always an option if you don't like that rule. If I don't hear back from you I will refund you and return your items.[07:48] User not online - message will be stored and delivered later.[07:50] Prokofy Neva: The performance teleporter is a great thing and I'm happy to have it here but not camping where you park your avatar here day and night as I keep finding you[07:50]

I come back later, and this time he's standing nearby, so he isn't a bot, likely, plus the thing shows definitely a board to IM him -- he's a performer, not a bot. I try IMing him by clicking on the thing, and it doesn't instantly work; finally I IM him and say camping isn't allowed. No answer.

So finally I eject him without banning -- maybe that will get his attention? It doesn't. After awhile I eject him again -- still no attention. He's there camping. Why? I shouldn't have to write "no camping or bots" on these info cards because it's long since banned by LL itself. It's crept back in, however.

So, after a few hours -- kaching! He refunds without comment. Stupid. He could have had customers coming to his venues just because they'd walk along and come. The traffic on MY LAND with a generic ad for the boardwalk doesn't mention him, and doesn't help him, and the landing area isn't even near his portal, but he hasn't grasped that, and is camping to drive up traffic. Maybe something showing up with "board walk" and "Coney Island" but not his name or "venues" or "concerts" might bring in shoppers, and they might notice his board -- or might not. For even $50 a week, he could make himself a search/places ad that said whatever he needed it to say that would be found by search, not traffic points.

Well, ok. I didn't understand why on EuroVision, the Dutch went with an American-style C&W act, or why this guy is singing Saturday Night Fever in a Dutch accent with a black guy in an Afro dancing in front of him, but it's Second Life, it's all good. Here he is in the Love Boat. Look, you might enjoy a Garth concert, give it a try. See at about 3:20:

It's super sad -- those other avatars swaying on the poseballs so they can all sync-dance, the rainbow -- it's very poignant:

It's too bad Garth couldn't have stayed on our boardwalk. He'd be a nice addition if he didn't sit there all day in the chair trying to drive up traffic. Here he is in RL.

OK, dude, but don't be fucking stubborn. Be smart. Traffic does not lead to your desired result. Search ads do. Play your guitar at concerts, don't sit in a chair AFK on a boardwalk trying to drive up traffic.

PPS Here's his unsubscribe in his picks

Unsubscribe

Do you have that sometimes? you click on a subscribe board and the messages you get makes you crazy. You can always unsubscribe from my group, HOW?, come to my house and unsubscribe from my board, or im me, i'll unsubscribe you :-) thats easy hey, :-)

So I'm trying to find a laurel tree because they are the home of a rare kind of dryad and I want to put it in my Dryads' Retreat up in the sky above Ravenglass, and I find one that is a big disappointment -- I should have believed the reviews but often I don't if the price is low -- and this was a bad job planar tree.

So then I saw this one that looked more promising in a store on the MP called Reality Designs. It was a little strange in that it looked like two laurel branches stuck to a board, so I wanted to see what it was, exactly. It said "full perm" which suggested you could just take the branches and expand them or add them to something (perhaps to the pot of the previous guy whose laurel was a disappointment -- his pot was good and on tex change.)

I clicked on the link on the MP ad and it didn't go to the right place -- it was in the sky, somebody's BDSM home with cages. Ugh. So I then typed in the number "30" to go down to the ground thinking, oh, the guy's store is actually on the ground and maybe I was up in the air and it took me here by accident? Or something.

So I go down on the ground, it's a huge store, with tons of plants, vendors, signs, etc. Not very well laid out, but I went around trying to find the thing. It wasn't on the ground. It wasn't in the vendors. Oh, well. I decided to IM the guy -- it was SO hard to find a 3-D mesh laurel, there were a number of crappy ones on the MP so I pursued it doggedly.

I should have realized that a BDSM practitioner like this can't keep it at home and has to inflict it on customers:

[08:25] Prokofy Neva: Hi, where could I find the laurel tree in your store? I saw it on the MP but I want to see it before buying. I went there and didn't see it. Thanks.[08:25] PuZzLe (puzzlemagnet): User not online - message will be stored and delivered later.[11:07] Puzzlemagnet: (Saved Thu Jun 07 13:59:59 2018)hello sorry I was offline[11:16] Prokofy Neva: Hi are you there?[11:17] Puzzlemagnet: hello[11:17] Puzzlemagnet: yes[11:17] Puzzlemagnet: sorry[11:17] Prokofy Neva: can you show me that laurel now?[11:18] Puzzlemagnet: yes can u show me the url of mp[11:18] Puzzlemagnet: ?[11:18] Puzzlemagnet: pls[11:19] Prokofy Neva: Seokcheon (143,209,3201)[11:19]

There's your first clue. Instead of just looking himself and fixing his damn URL which is wrong, he second-guesses me, makes me show it. Instead of just TPing me to the place to buy the tree, he's manipulative.

What's to be "LOL'd" about sending a customer to the wrong address? And up in your stupid BDSM "chambers" to boot. No sense of shame. Only the need to ridicule someone else. These people are AWFUL.

[11:20] Prokofy Neva: well it's on the MP[11:20] Puzzlemagnet: on the store main url no[11:20] Puzzlemagnet: maybe on older products

Notice he starts to argue. "Maybe" -- when in fact I went there, you fucking idiot. It's up in the sky in your fucking BDSM lair with the cages, asshole.

[11:20] Puzzlemagnet: I will corect[11:20] Prokofy Neva: yes it's on the MP so yeah, you might want to change[11:20] Puzzlemagnet: is only the producty[11:20] Puzzlemagnet: the store url[11:20] Puzzlemagnet: is the correct[11:20] Puzzlemagnet: one

Has to keep arguing. No apologies. No showing me the goddamn plant. Just arguing, justifying, endlessly -- these people are sick and evil.

[11:21] Puzzlemagnet: when you press visit the store[11:21] Puzzlemagnet: it takes u here

[11:21] Prokofy Neva: visit the store keeps you on the MP and I wanted to see it in world[11:21] Puzzlemagnet: sir[11:21] Puzzlemagnet: when you are on the mp store[11:21] Puzzlemagnet: there is a button[11:21] Puzzlemagnet: it says[11:21] Puzzlemagnet: visti in world store[11:21] Puzzlemagnet: it takes u here

So note that he's corrected himself to say "inworld store" without admitting that what he actually said was "visit the store" -- which as everyone knows is a standard bound phrase for visit the MP store. So now he's talking about another link -- but in fact that link doesn't go to the store -- the link in his ad takes you up to his fucking BEDROOM as you can see from the 3201 elevation. Since people like him lie about such things, let's screen shot it:

[11:22] Prokofy Neva: yeah, I wanted to see the place of the product, and usually people have it exact like that

That's true. Many store owners will take the trouble to put a URL on the product ad that takes you EXACTLY there. The OTHER laurel I bought here did EXACTLY that, BTW. This is VERY LOVELY by Terra d'AmbrA, called Firenze fire bowl, she has bunches of them and they are all gorgeous, and they are $250. A little pricey, but I'll pay because she has put the URL in her MP ad that takes you right there to that vendor. I reward good behaviour like that.

[11:22] Prokofy Neva: so you want to show me where the laurel is?[11:22] Puzzlemagnet: is here[11:22] Prokofy Neva: actually I was here earlier because I simply looked it up in search and couldn't find the laurel, which is why I asked[11:23] Puzzlemagnet: simply you press on mp visit in world store[11:23] Puzzlemagnet: is all here[11:23] Puzzlemagnet: in front of me

Notice he's still arguing and arguing and failing to realize that the produce page with "Visit inworld" is WRONG. And nothing in front of him where he is standing is that laurel -- he's standing by a "new products" vendor (it's not new) at the landing area.

[11:23] Prokofy Neva: ok what I need is not "inworld store" which is...where I am... but where that particular product is in this huge variety of things[11:24] Puzzlemagnet: is here, anything elsxe[11:24] Puzzlemagnet: ?@:[11:24] Puzzlemagnet: iM PRETTY BUSY[11:24] Prokofy Neva: I don't see it, so if you don't need someone to spend $200 in your store by taking a second to point it out, I totally understand : )[11:24] Puzzlemagnet: I said to you[11:24] Puzzlemagnet: is right in front of me[11:24] Prokofy Neva: didn't see it dude, so carry on, have fun! Puzzle magnet is a good name for your game LOLI think you don't want to show me your plant? But it's all good. I don't need to be taken to a HUGE store with a HUGE VARIETY of things and not shown where THAT THING is when it's not even obviously in a rezzer or vendor[11:26] Puzzlemagnet: IM HEREEEEEEEEEEEE[11:26] Puzzlemagnet: IS HERE[11:26] Prokofy Neva: ok great, but I'm not now, so bye!

Honestly, not only had the store rezzed by the time he was saying this, so I could see it perfectly well, I turned 360 degrees and didn't see HIM anywhere. So his "it's right here" wasn't clear. Usually in that case a good store owner sends you a TP even if only a few meters away. Or they say, without being a dick and asshole, oh, it's right here, come over this way. But not this guy. Because he's a BDSM asshole who doesn't keep it in his bedroom at 3201 meters, but bleeds it out everywhere in his life, keeping people off balance, being nasty to them, jerking them around, making up little rules for them to trip over -- the works. UGH!

Then his true violent nature comes out -- if you didn't figure it out before:

Yeah. Brittle, angry, and most of all STUPID. He imagines someone is trolling him when in fact someone has TWICE come to his store to spend $200, and can't seem to do so because he prefers being an asshole.

This profile is his store profile, and fairly blank, he probably has alts with all his dumb BDSM groups. In any event, nobody puts cages around their living room just for show. The end! We're done here!