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Re: NBA Pre-Draft Camp Heights And Weights Announced

Every year, NBA Draft fanatics hold their breath in anticipation to see how prospective NBA draftees weigh in at the pre-draft camp. There are those who can single-handedly raise their draft stock simply by being measured as taller than expected or shorter than expected. This year is no different, as impressions of certain players can change with a measuring tape or a scale.

Recently, DraftExpress posted the results of the pre-draft camp measurements and most of the results were as expected, aside from a few glaring outcomes.

Winners:

Ronnie Brewer – Weighing in a 6’7” and 223 pounds, Brewer will be a very unique point forward who should be considered by teams who want to draft a valuable sixth man. Brewer has the ability to play three or even four positions, similar to Boris Diaw. Like Diaw, Brewer is known for his selflessness and court vision.

Jordan Farmar – Measuring at taller than 6’0” was the hope and the result was 6’2”, which certainly will not hurt the stock of the UCLA standout point guard.

Randy Foye – If scouts buy into Foye’s viability as a point guard in the NBA, they should be impressed with his size at 6’3” and 212 pounds. Foye is similar in size to Baron Davis or Chauncey Billups, both of whom (mostly Billups) have been successful NBA point guards.

Patrick O’Bryant – Claims that he’s a project and at a legit 7’0” and 250 pounds, that’s certainly a good start.

Tyrus Thomas – Many expected that he’d be shorter than advertised and wire thin, but Thomas looks to have added nearly 10 pounds to his frame and measured at around his projected height.

Shawne Williams – The freshman out of Memphis measured at a smidge under 6’9” and 227 pounds, which shows up as an NBA-ready body on paper.

Losers:

LaMarcus Aldridge – Teams would have loved to see him put on a few pounds to prove that he could develop a body suited for the center position. He’s just under a legit 7’0” and under 240 pounds, which indicates that he falls just short of the league’s expectation for centers.

Rodney Carney – Has always been listed at 6’7” or 6’8” and for him to measure at under 6’6” is a definite blow to his stock. Carney is a great athlete, but how many successful small forwards in the league are under that height? It reminds me of Jarvis Hayes’s measurements a few years back.

Paul Millsap – For a player with his natural talents, I’m certain that most general managers were hoping that he would reach 6’8”, but Millsap measured below that. Either way, it will be hard for a team that needs rebounding to turn him down.
Adam Morrison – His height was expected, but with his agent recently talking about his desire to gain weight, weighing in at under 200 pounds cannot help his stock, which has recently been soaring. Regardless, Morrison is still the favorite to go at the top pick if the Raptors trade out.

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For the record, I think people put waaaaaay too much stock in this nonsense nowadays. Obviously, only Isiah Thomas is going to want a bunch of 6'8 PFs or 6'2" SGs, but there have been a ton of very successful NBA players that don't fit the prototypical mold as far as height and weight are concerned. I really don't understand how wingspan became more important than PPG, APG, RPG, FG% or whatever put up in a major NCAA conference. Length might be the stupiest reason to suggest someone is better than someone else I've ever heard. How are Stromile Swift, Hakim Warrick and Dermarr Johnson working out? For every KG there is an Elton Brand.

So good luck taking Tyrus Thomas with the #1 pick. What'd he have, two good games and 25827 "good workouts"? I would hope the guy looks good running laps and jumping around in a gym by himself with a 40" vertical and all. Doesn't mean he knows how to play this game. I'll take Aldridge, his 15 ppg and 9 rpg in the Big 12 and his one bad tournament game, thanks. Keep your UPSIDE.

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You wanna talk about length? How about we take Hilton Armstrong? Have you seen that neck? Does anyone know where I can find a neckspan list for this year's draft class? I guarentee Hilton has a solid 12".

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You wanna talk about length? How about we take Hilton Armstrong? Have you seen that neck? Does anyone know where I can find a neckspan list for this year's draft class? I guarentee Hilton has a solid 12".

No Kidding , Killingsworth's Wingspan is only 2.75 inches shorter than the 7 footer Patrick O' Bryant and he weighs 17lbs more than O' Bryant

He is a good guy to trade up for in the second round, and take a flyer on.

I don't think you would have to trade up to get him. Alot of mockdrafts have him as a bubble second rounder. I think he proved himself in college, especially with that game against Shelden Williams. Also you have to realize that he was the first option @ IU. In the NBA he will be coming off the bench and will not be double teamed. He showed ppl what he can do on the block with 1 defender. He has great footwork, a high bball IQ and its hard for alot of post defenders to stop left handed players. His range will prolly exend to a solid 15 or 17 feet. I'd love to pick this guy up.

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The 2 guard is slowly becoming a bigger position 6'5 is average nowadays.

Actually 6'5" is an inch or two below average. Thats not the point. The point is, many were saying J.J. was too short for the SG position, when infact he's not. Doesn't mean he has great size, but his size isn't a huge liability like previously thought.

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Actually 6'5" is an inch or two below average. Thats not the point. The point is, many were saying J.J. was too short for the SG position, when infact he's not. Doesn't mean he has great size, but his size isn't a huge liability like previously thought.

yea i edited that once i realized that. and i dont think JJ's size was as much the worry as his speed is.

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Actually 6'5" is an inch or two below average. Thats not the point. The point is, many were saying J.J. was too short for the SG position, when infact he's not. Doesn't mean he has great size, but his size isn't a huge liability like previously thought.

Sure is a lot of faults with a 4 time All ACC, 4 time All American, All time leading scorer in the ACC, Top 10 leading scorer in NCAA, NCAA's all time FT % leader, and not to mention the reinining (SP?)National Player of the Year.

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Sure is a lot of faults with a 4 time All ACC, 4 time All American, All time leading scorer in the ACC, Top 10 leading scorer in NCAA, NCAA's all time FT % leader, and not to mention the reinining (SP?)National Player of the Year.

Pretty impressive résumé if you ask me.

The list would double if you take into account his HS achievements.

None of those are defensive achievements tho. The guy is horrid playing D, and that was in college. Imagine JJ in the bigger, stronger, and faster NBA.

Re: NBA Pre-Draft Camp Heights And Weights Announced

Sure is a lot of faults with a 4 time All ACC, 4 time All American, All time leading scorer in the ACC, Top 10 leading scorer in NCAA, NCAA's all time FT % leader, and not to mention the reinining (SP?)National Player of the Year.

Pretty impressive résumé if you ask me.

The list would double if you take into account his HS achievements.

That would be great news if I was the GM of the Indiana Hoosiers or the UCLA Bruins. Unfortunately, the Pacers play in the NBA where people are very big, very strong and very athletic. Not to say the ACC is a chump league, but it's a very, very different game physically in the League. Do you think we should take Gerry McNamara in the 2nd Round too?

I think JJ is a really, really good basketball player. But, he just doesn't have the physical tools to be a starter in this league. Now, it's very possible that whoever we take at 17 will never be a starter in this league either, but I'm 99% sure that JJ just doesn't have the genetics to be productive on both ends of the floor for 30 mpg in an 82-game schedule. I'm sure he'll be a great 8th or 9th man for the next decade, but that's just not what we need. I'd rather draft a guy that has at least a 50-50 chance to be larger impact player in our rotation.

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None of those are defensive achievements tho. The guy is horrid playing D, and that was in college. Imagine JJ in the bigger, stronger, and faster NBA.

Out of his list of shortcomings, how many were defensive?

I'll answer my own question, one.

College basketball doesn't hand out defense awards like the NBA, for starters. Second, there are quite a bit of worse defenders already in the NBA, Saras to name one.

He actually gets a bad rap for defense. He's not a lock down defender by any means, but he's not a slouch either. He plays above average positional/help side, and he stays in front of his man to stop pentration.

He's been a four year starter in the best power conference in the NCAA, and has already played against many NBA players, or soon to be NBA players.

He's never going to make an All-Star team, but he'll be a very good role player.

That would be great news if I was the GM of the Indiana Hoosiers or the UCLA Bruins. Unfortunately, the Pacers play in the NBA where people are very big, very strong and very athletic. Not to say the ACC is a chump league, but it's a very, very different game physically in the League. Do you think we should take Gerry McNamara in the 2nd Round too?

I think JJ is a really, really good basketball player. But, he just doesn't have the physical tools to be a starter in this league. Now, it's very possible that whoever we take at 17 will never be a starter in this league either, but I'm 99% sure that JJ just doesn't have the genetics to be productive on both ends of the floor for 30 mpg in an 82-game schedule. I'm sure he'll be a great 8th or 9th man for the next decade, but that's just not what we need. I'd rather draft a guy that has at least a 50-50 chance to be larger impact player in our rotation.

I guess you weren't a very big Reggie fan either then.

And comparing Gerry M to JJ is laughable.

Two very different players, playing two very different styles, at two different positions.

A good shooter who is consistant is what the Pacers need, and JJ is just that. I don't know how in the world you can say he isn't what the team needs. I guess you're comfortable with SJax shooting sub 40% followed by Fred shooting just over that coming off the bench.

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This isn't 1988 anymore. Craig Ehlo wouldn't start for an NBA team today either. And Reg is a big 6'7" and was twice the athlete JJ is. And we all know Reggie's game was far from typical--if JJ has 1/4th or Reg's savvy, bigshotability (it's a word) or sense of the moment, I'd be impressed.

Also, please try to refrain from comparing JJ Reddick to Reggie Miller in the same post where you're calling my comparisons laughable.

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This isn't 1988 anymore. Craig Ehlo wouldn't start for an NBA team today either. And Reg is a big 6'7" and was twice the athlete JJ is. And we all know Reggie's game was far from typical--if JJ has 1/4th or Reg's savvy, bigshotability (it's a word) or sense of the moment, I'd be impressed.

By your logic, Rip Hamilton isn't any good either. He's a Reggie clone, but this isn't 1988 anymore so that kind of player isn't productive.