zozon wrote:So what he displayed against Juve as a RW? Our game totally changed when Coman was introduced and put to RW, Costa went as a #10.

"Not really" is not really an answer.

Easy.

Fantastic through ball to Vidal, chip to Müller for our only chance till the 70.In a game where nothing went our way, he was responsible for all dangerous attacks. Even as a right winger.

Hell, what he displayed as a RW in his Bayern career?

Forgot that great run to assist Lewy for his game winner against Hoffenheim?His goal and classy assist against HSV?All that came from the right wing.Had enough "useless" games on the left wing and in the center.He was even more "useless" against Juventus on the left wing, by the way. He did a great job saving that Robben cross and assist Müller, but that hardly had to do with his positon.

bastos80 wrote:Forgot that great run to assist Lewy for his game winner against Hoffenheim?His goal and classy assist against HSV?All that came from the right wing.Had enough "useless" games on the left wing and in the center.He was even more "useless" against Juventus on the left wing, by the way. He did a great job saving that Robben cross and assist Müller, but that hardly had to do with his positon.

Nowhere near good enough arguments for Costa as a good RW.Just look at Coman's statistics and then we can talk. He even scored the most crucial goal (even more than Thiago's) against Juve and against Buffon with his WEAKER left foot, playing as a RW. And I don't even wanna talk about the crosses. Right wing crosses are almost none when Costa plays RW.Just LOOK at Coman's cross for Muller's goal. ABSOLUTELY world class right winger stuff.

Coman is displaying Ballon d'or qualitites for some games now and yet you are still putting Costa as a RW.

Let's end it this way - no matter his age or maturity, Coman is at least 5 levels better RW than Costa. Simple as that. And I cant even imagine if he keeps improving (dribbling skills mostly, his fake move and right sprint is pretty obvious) what he can achieve.

pyrasur wrote:It's shaped like a sword. Because that's how formations work. We will only be beaten if Atletico form a rock. We will beat them if they form paper tho.

zozon wrote:Let's end it this way - no matter his age or maturity, Coman is at least 5 levels better RW than Costa. Simple as that. And I cant even imagine if he keeps improving (dribbling skills mostly, his fake move and right sprint is pretty obvious) what he can achieve.

Coman is a huge talent, no doubt. But honestly, I feel he is greatly benefitting from the fact that he is/was relatively unknown to defenders, just like Costa is less effective in this semester than in the first due to defenders focusing more on him, I expect Coman's impact to decrease when he starts playing more regularly.

To return to the match, what I'm the most glad about, even more than drawing Benfica, is the first leg at home. In 2012-2013 (and 2011-2012 even though I'd rather not think of it), playing the first leg at home has always been a confidence boost for Bayern, who tends to finish the tie in that case.

It was already true under Heynckes but now, with Guardiola conservative approach away from home, I think it can be a game changer if tied against a big opponent.

Actually, I think it's the first time in Guardiola's tenure that Bayern plays the first leg at home (except round of 16, obviously) and I am pretty sure that Bayern's fate would have been different if it had happened in the 2 previous seasons !

bastos80 wrote:Forgot that great run to assist Lewy for his game winner against Hoffenheim?His goal and classy assist against HSV?All that came from the right wing.Had enough "useless" games on the left wing and in the center.He was even more "useless" against Juventus on the left wing, by the way. He did a great job saving that Robben cross and assist Müller, but that hardly had to do with his positon.

Nowhere near good enough arguments for Costa as a good RW.Just look at Coman's statistics and then we can talk. He even scored the most crucial goal (even more than Thiago's) against Juve and against Buffon with his WEAKER left foot, playing as a RW. And I don't even wanna talk about the crosses. Right wing crosses are almost none when Costa plays RW.Just LOOK at Coman's cross for Muller's goal. ABSOLUTELY world class right winger stuff.

Coman is displaying Ballon d'or qualitites for some games now and yet you are still putting Costa as a RW.

Let's end it this way - no matter his age or maturity, Coman is at least 5 levels better RW than Costa. Simple as that. And I cant even imagine if he keeps improving (dribbling skills mostly, his fake move and right sprint is pretty obvious) what he can achieve.

zozon wrote:Let's end it this way - no matter his age or maturity, Coman is at least 5 levels better RW than Costa. Simple as that. And I cant even imagine if he keeps improving (dribbling skills mostly, his fake move and right sprint is pretty obvious) what he can achieve.

Coman is a huge talent, no doubt. But honestly, I feel he is greatly benefitting from the fact that he is/was relatively unknown to defenders, just like Costa is less effective in this semester than in the first due to defenders focusing more on him, I expect Coman's impact to decrease when he starts playing more regularly.

To return to the match, what I'm the most glad about, even more than drawing Benfica, is the first leg at home. In 2012-2013 (and 2011-2012 even though I'd rather not think of it), playing the first leg at home has always been a confidence boost for Bayern, who tends to finish the tie in that case.

It was already true under Heynckes but now, with Guardiola conservative approach away from home, I think it can be a game changer if tied against a big opponent.

Actually, I think it's the first time in Guardiola's tenure that Bayern plays the first leg at home (except round of 16, obviously) and I am pretty sure that Bayern's fate would have been different if it had happened in the 2 previous seasons !

Уеаh, because Juve had not clue of all of Bayern's players and above all the same player that was with them last season???All teams know Robben and did they stopped him doing what he does? Just no.Failed argument.

pyrasur wrote:It's shaped like a sword. Because that's how formations work. We will only be beaten if Atletico form a rock. We will beat them if they form paper tho.

So, you don't think the fading away of Costa this semester is at least partly due to the defenders paying more attention to him ?

And you don't think that Coman's huge impact during Juve's game is not partly due to them focussing on the other attacking players (only partly though, the mains reasons for me are his freshness, motivation against former club and, obviously, talent itself).

And your argument about Robben : I fully agree. That's why Robben is a better player than they are (for now at least).

ottackon wrote:Costa was our best playmaker for the most part of the game against Juve.

I think you and zozon are both right. Costa did play well vs Juve, but it's also true that Costa as RW is not as good as he is on the left.

That's your opinion.On the left he's a one trick pony, his right foot is not good enough to cut in and be a threat.Hoewever, on the left side he can cut in, either shoot or deliver a sharp pass or Kroos, or he can penetrate from the outside, cross it (like against Hoffenheim for example), or give it to a overlapping player (did it a lot in the Hinrunde with Lahm). His right foot is good enough to cross.

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