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July 13, 2010

Bobcats trade for Calderon might be dead

A proposed trade that would have brought Toronto Raptors point guard Jose Calderon to the Charlotte Bobcats is on hold and might be dead, according to a source connected to one of the three teams involved.

The Bobcats have expressed reservations about going through with the deal that also involves the Phoenix Suns. That is despite them informing players of the possibility they would be traded. Bobcats center Tyson Chandler had already expressed to Yahoo! Sports that in his mind he was already a Raptor.

It was unclear late this morning whether the deal could be resurrected or reconfigured to address the Bobcats' hole at point guard following their decision not to re-sign starter Raymond Felton.

Comments

I can understand the reluctance on the Bobcats part. Unless the trade involved a sizable TPE, it did very little for us other than to allow us to pay a lot more for a point guard with deficiences as glaring as Felton's (as well as a recent history of injury problems) than we would have paid Felton outright. If there is no large TPE involved, I'm OK to suffer through DJ running the point. Only a guess, but I'm assuming that the size of the trade exception is the point of contention in the negotiations as is our ability to use the TPE on a high caliber player should we manage to wrangle the TPE dollars we want from the Raps. Who knows.

Posted by: Zed | Jul 13, 2010 11:31:42 AM

What are they doing? If this trade is dead they better have another option to pick up a PG...and now we definitely have to get rid of Chandler and Diaw, I hope there is a better deal in the works..

Posted by: Bobby | Jul 13, 2010 11:31:53 AM

Rick or anyone else out there can you explain what a "Trade Player Exception" is? I looked it up online and still have no idea what the hell it is. In plain english please for the stupid people likeme

Posted by: BdUbb | Jul 13, 2010 11:40:28 AM

Does it matter, honestly? We're going to be mediocre at best one way or the other.

Posted by: ? | Jul 13, 2010 11:41:57 AM

Nice work Mike - makes the organization look even more pathetic.

Posted by: Andy | Jul 13, 2010 11:46:10 AM

Michael has every right to question this trade. The Raptors would be in the best position after this trade and the Bobcats would have given away Tyson Chandler for nothing. If there was another deal the Bobcats wanted to make and it required getting rid of Chandler first, such as for Al Jefferson, then I think Michael would have signed off on this trade by now.

Posted by: UncTarheels23 | Jul 13, 2010 11:52:46 AM

@Bobby A trade player exception (TPE) is a deal wherein a team can trade a player to another team BUT instead of getting a player in return, they get a TPE that is worth the traded player's contract. example: Toronto traded Bosh to Miami *spit* and his contract paid him $14.5 million. Maimi gave toronto a TPE worth bosh's salary. Now, The Raptors can trade this $14.5 million to any team for a player or players without having to give up anyone. If Toronto trade it to the Bobs, The Bobs can the use it in a trade. It expires in one year. Hope that wasnt too confusing

YES!!! Please kill this deal MJ! I can't believe they even considered this move. Calderon is too expensive and a HUGE defensive liability. He's on the decline. Chandler's contract is and will be highly desired (especially around the trade deadline) and should be either dumped with a bad contract like Diop's or exchanged for talent. Either way, this deal stunk. The 'Cats can do better. How about Diaw and Chandler to Atlanta for Bibby, Marvin and Horford? Or Chandler, Diaw and DJ for CP3 and Oak?

The whole point of it is team A can use it to aquire a player that team B doesnt want. Team A Gets a new player without having to trade someone on their roster and team B gets to clear their books of said contract. Hey any chance of Adam Morrison going back to the NBA?

-Matt from Toronto.

Posted by: Matthew | Jul 13, 2010 11:56:05 AM

@Catnation lol ya like any team will trade Horford or CP3 for Diaw and Chandler. u so crazay.

Word on the street is after Toronto gets chandler an diaw, they are going to trade chandler ($13 million expiring), Marcus banks ($5 mill expiring, the entire $14.5 million trade exception to the hornets for Okafor and CP3 since he is going to leave for NYC in a few years. That give the hornets $32.5 million in Cap space next season. Just don't tell MJ he is getting fleeced.

I didn't say anything about Horford or CP3? i know raptors fans are stupid butjeez..

Posted by: Catnation | Jul 13, 2010 12:13:15 PM

I'm sure Chandler and Diaw will be thrilled to return next season. Gee guys we had a deal to trade you, told you you'd been traded, but at the last minute tried to squeeze a first rounder out of Toronto, and failed. Sorry guys! But welcome back! We think you'll be key players in our playoff drive!

Posted by: Mike | Jul 13, 2010 12:13:52 PM

Michael Jordan knows as much about running a NBA franchise as Hussein Obama knows about running anything more than what a "community organizer" needs to know.

Posted by: Phil Dees | Jul 13, 2010 12:14:15 PM

@Catnation

My bad i meant @gradyhog

Take it easy. no nead to get your panties in a knot. but if my team drafted Sean May AND adam Morrison i'd probably be uptight too

Posted by: Matthew | Jul 13, 2010 12:16:39 PM

Araujo......

Posted by: Catnation | Jul 13, 2010 12:21:36 PM

C'mon MJ!! We're pulling for ya'!! Hopefully Larry Brown is knee deep in all of this. Surround yourself with good people and listen, please!

Offer the MDL/@ Years to Luke Ridnour, and then get ready for the Summer of Chris Paul and Deron Williams. When Diaw's contract will expire, Nazr and Chandler will be off the books and Jackson, Wallace and Diop will be expiring contracts. Then it will be our chance to get a huge deal with 2-3 star players and become a Championship contender. That opportunity is just 2 years from now.

Posted by: RobC | Jul 13, 2010 12:26:00 PM

Sorry...

... I meant MLE/2Yrs

Posted by: RobC | Jul 13, 2010 12:26:46 PM

heh , why have rod higgins when he is just a puppet? Jordon should be titled GM , president and owner.

Posted by: doublesman | Jul 13, 2010 12:27:50 PM

The deal is dead! Hallelujah! Great job MJ. You should have never considered it to begin with but at least you came to your senses. So now what?
Everyone's talking about Chris Paul and in spite of what ownership is saying, he's available. The caveat for the 'Cats is Oak's contract. We don't want it or him and anyone who steals Paul will most assuredly have to take that albatros of a contract as well.
The 'Cats need an impact player badly. Al Jefferson would have filled that role nicely-but he's off to Utah. CP3 would instantly be the best player to ever play in Charlotte, yes even better than Zo and LJ, but can they pull it off.
Chris Paul is the best way for MJ to repair the damage he just caused to his executive image and, most importantly, to compete in the division. Bring him on home MJ.

If I were a GM in the league, I would demand that MJ be a part of all trade calls moving forward and demonstrate how much he has belittled his own GM.

Who tells a player they're traded and then "has second thoughts" - all thinking is supposed to be done before agreements are consumated and hands shaken. I hope the Bobcats aren't able to pick up a point guard at all this offseason and begin to regret the backtracking on this move & then maybe the GM may be able to move back into his own office.

I wonder what would do more long-term damage, MJ's undermining of his own GM on a "done deal", or allowing this trade to take place... my guess is the former.

Posted by: MJ a Joke Owner | Jul 13, 2010 12:44:16 PM

@BdUbb

There have been a few attempts to explain TPE in plain English, but they've all been flawed in different ways. Honestly, it's impossible to explain something with so many complications without making it longer than it already is, so if you really want to learn about it, read all of #71, #72, and #75 from this FAQ page:

"Michael Jordan knows as much about running a NBA franchise as Hussein Obama knows about running anything more than what a "community organizer" needs to know."

Take this racist sh!t back to the barn yard...

MJ, just get rid of Tyson Chandler already...dude's a bum...

I'm from Charlotte, born in Toronto...and Raps fans are actually quite knowledgeable.

Posted by: Greg S | Jul 13, 2010 12:46:15 PM

Camby, T-mac, Carter, Staudamire, Bosh, the book is still out on Bargs.

Sorry i was only able to name two of your draft busts but your loser city couldn't hold on to a team. thankfully the NBA gave you another team because what would we do without a crappy, bottom feeder of a team in a small crappy city?

The raps drafted Hraham and missed out on Granger, whatever granger sucks and took the pacers nowhere. The raps drafted Araujo but everyone missed out on Al jefferson, josh smith, jr smith and jameer nelson. and Oka isnt even on ur team anymore so theres another Bust

we had a playoff spot last year unlike the craptors lol. Yeah like anybody wants to live in Canada. Alonzo Mourning pretty much summed up the worlds feelings about Canada by not reporting to camp. theres a reason anyone have decent you guys get leaves haha. I'll take Gerald over any player yall have ever had

Posted by: Catnation | Jul 13, 2010 12:58:03 PM

Man good luck getting other GMs to open trade talks and FA to open negotiations when they know they have to worry about MJ backing out of deals after the media was informed, the agents and player were informed AND the deal was agreed to.

Posted by: Matthew | Jul 13, 2010 12:59:05 PM

jnmich how did mcgrady carter and bosh turn out for your piss hole of a franchise. all guys that couldnt wait to get out of toronto. who doesnt want to play for who? the raptors continue to be the laughing stock of the USA and the NBA.

lol...toronto fans are stupid? There was an idiot up there who said trade DJ,Chandler and Diaw for CP3 or Horford. LMAOOOOOOO

Jose Calderon, you goof balls, would be better for you than raymond felton. He has some defence issues, but he can still defend somewhat. Also, he would give bobcats and offensive boost. Has amazing court vision and would work well with gerald green.

No team will suceed with a shitty PG. Have fun watching DJ get eaten up by every pg in the league.

Posted by: Dilly | Jul 13, 2010 1:04:37 PM

sorry, meant gerald wallace. my bad

Posted by: Dilly | Jul 13, 2010 1:07:18 PM

poor matthew is mad

Posted by: Danny | Jul 13, 2010 1:09:25 PM

Jose Calderon would work well with Gerald Green eh? And you wonder why nobody on this page takes you or any other raptors fans seriously lol. I guess we shouldn't expect Canadians to know as much about basketball as us considering North Carolina is the mecca of basketball and Canada is the mecca of what? beavers and igloos? notice we don't claim to know anything about that. stick with what your good at Toronto!

Posted by: Catnation | Jul 13, 2010 1:10:19 PM

ya when it comes down to it the Bobs needed a True PG. Jose is that. he has better offensive and ball handling skills than Felton. The only reason Jose looks so bad on defense was because the Raps in general were bad on defense. he would've done better with the Bobs. but whatever at least now MJ can trade Diaw and chandler for Chris Paul or Al Horford. Idiots

Posted by: Matthew | Jul 13, 2010 1:10:31 PM

@ tyler

What's so sad... that I said what everyone else is thinking? You moron - add some value or go read a childrens book, the level of reading here is far too advanced for you!

Posted by: MJ a Joke Owner | Jul 13, 2010 1:13:00 PM

LOL @ MATTHEW!

Toronto has had more Stars and more corporate funding than the bobcats. You guys got ditched by the hornets and the league felt bad, so you got the pussycats.

No one wants to play in charlotte, you're GM is a joke and the raptors as a franchise are the 11th richest team in the NBA. Charlotte sits at 25. So who is a laughing stock now, chump?

Posted by: Dilly | Jul 13, 2010 1:13:55 PM

Does nobody remember that the Hornets were offered Devin Harris and the #3 pick in this years draft for Chris Paul and turned it down.

Posted by: MIke L | Jul 13, 2010 1:15:29 PM

LOL North Carolina is the Mecca of Basketball? More like the mecca of Krispy Kreme and slow southerners

Posted by: Matthew | Jul 13, 2010 1:18:36 PM

@Dilly corporate funding and franchise net worth? who cares? lol you raptor fans are pitiful. lol @ you for clutching onto past "stars" that all ditched your franchise as soon as they could. mcgrady carter and bosh couldnt wait to get out of toronto. your the epitome of pathetic.

Posted by: Catnation | Jul 13, 2010 1:19:27 PM

no u said wat every Raptor thing was thinking u guys tried to get 2 starters for one and a bench player and now your mad because u couldnt i mean get over it dude

Posted by: Tyler | Jul 13, 2010 1:20:32 PM

wow and matthew nobody can tell ur a canadian siiting here using a stereotype u guys are mad lil pieces of sh** not all canadians just u jelose fu**ers

PS: why the Canada hate guys? It's no wonder why people think we're all rednecks and such down here!

Posted by: bill | Jul 13, 2010 1:24:32 PM

Igloos and beavers? Toronto is 6 Biggest city in North America and im pretty sure life is sweeter here than in north carolina. As for the mecca of basketball?

Sorry, I had to laugh at that.

And Matthew, making fun of a franchise that had stars isn't cool, especially when your franchise never HAD any to start with. And probably never will.

Remember, Bosh and Carter both signed 5 year extensions with the raps. McGrady is the only one who left and he said later in his career he regreted it.

Show me one star who ever said he wants to play for the bobcats? LOOOOOOOOOL not 1. And as for value? It is important. Raptors are more valuable and make more money than the bobcats, which ultimately makes them better. Thank youuuuuuuuuu!

Posted by: Dilly | Jul 13, 2010 1:27:12 PM

@Catnation ya corporate funding and franchise net worth means nothing. Just remember that when your owners run out of money and sell the team...AGAIN

and Carter and Bosh did sign extentions in Toronto during there time there. of and ur right the fans are pitiful...just not as pitiful as Charlotte fans WHO COULDNT support their team enough to keep em there.

Posted by: Matthew | Jul 13, 2010 1:27:35 PM

@Bill hey make it a little less obvious next time that you aren't a disguised craptor fan hahaha. try again kid

Posted by: Catnation | Jul 13, 2010 1:28:06 PM

I am a Raps fan...and a Bobcats fan. Nuggets too. I've lived in Toronto and Denver and now I am back home in Cary.

thank god, we'll be so much better off long term without doing this deal. wait and see the studs we can get closer to the trade deadline with Chandler's/Naz's expiring contracts.

Posted by: Chris | Jul 13, 2010 1:31:40 PM

lol bragging about net worth when the two best players on your roster are bargnani and ...? nobody? maybe amir johnson ahahahahaahahahahhahahahahahahahahahaha

whatever makes you guys feel better. chris bosh really looks like he regrets his decision to get out of there lol. the fact to you have to come on other teams beat writer columns about a dead trade to attack them shows how really pathetic you all are.

Posted by: Catnation | Jul 13, 2010 1:32:40 PM

Has a Free agent Star ever gone to T-Dot?

Posted by: HankChinaski | Jul 13, 2010 1:32:40 PM

Matthew, my bad. I was reading Catnations stupid comments and I thought it was you loool.

I would like to correct myself. Catnation is the idiot, not matthew.

That is all.

Posted by: Dilly | Jul 13, 2010 1:33:04 PM

Wow, you guys are angry at MJ, angry at Higgins. You should be pi$$ed that you live in Charlotte.

Posted by: Rob | Jul 13, 2010 1:33:41 PM

I think MJ realized that even at 47 he'd probably be the 1st or 2nd option on the raptors

Posted by: Catnation | Jul 13, 2010 1:35:12 PM

@HankChinaski

They got the Dream (Olajuwan)towards the end of his career when I was up there. Turk's signing was a feat last Summer.

Toronto is a fantastic city for the record....and the Cdn's are surprisingly knowledgeable and passionate bball fans. Hockey is clearly the number one up there though...

Posted by: bill | Jul 13, 2010 1:36:16 PM

There's going to be positives and negatives for both sides if trade goes thru. Boris and Tysan will make T.O.'s forward line deeper but will take up minutes from the current estimated lineup players. With another injury, Tysan will be sitting on the bench again. I think Boris is the better asset. It doesn't matter too much if Bobcat get cold feet and pull out, as long as we get Barbosa to help shore up our weakness at the point guard position.

Posted by: Rap fan 2 | Jul 13, 2010 1:36:44 PM

LOL

all I'm saying is charlotte fans, you think you keep chandlers contract, and next season you will have alot of cap space and sign a big free agent. LOL not gonna happen kids. Bobcats are a team no one take seriously. Thunder look like less of an expansion team, and they are worth more than the Bobcats.

MJ is gonna run your team into the ground. And without a PG, you guys are done for this season. Plus side is you might get a lottery pick you losers.

Posted by: Dilly | Jul 13, 2010 1:37:45 PM

I'm an idiot because every decent raptor gets the F out of Toronto asap? I'm an idiot because your best player is Bargnani and after that there isn't a shred of talent on your whole roster? Maybe you should be redirecting your idiot comments to Raptors upper management.

Posted by: Catnation | Jul 13, 2010 1:38:47 PM

@Dilly no problemo. Catnation is an idiot

Posted by: Matthew | Jul 13, 2010 1:40:49 PM

facepalm. thunder aren't even an expansion team. toronto fans...you're better than that

Posted by: Catnation | Jul 13, 2010 1:41:25 PM

LOL are you seriously making fun of our GM?

UM Bryan Colangelo, 3 time executive of the year award.

Michael Jordan, Drafted Kwame Brown 1st overall.

Sure bud. Catnation, get the F ouuuttaaaa here.

Posted by: Dilly | Jul 13, 2010 1:42:53 PM

facepalm. Thunder aren't even an expansion team. KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT THE NBA BEFORE YOU TRY AND DEFEND YOUR AWFUL FRANCHISE. toronto fans...you're better than that.

Posted by: Catnation | Jul 13, 2010 1:43:51 PM

@Dilly/Matthew - franchise value reflects the ability of ownership to earn profits. Do you own the Raptors? No? Then your argument means nothing. The Knicks are 2nd highest in terms of franchise value because the Dolans earn obscene profits. Do you think Knicks fans care?

Also, the Hornets had the 1st or 2nd highest attendance in the league throughout the 1990s, they left because the community refused to support George Shinn after he was accused of sexual assault (and because he's the worst owner in sports as evidenced by the N.O. debacle). It had nothing to do with "not being able to support a team."

Toronto is a great city (certainly much bigger than Charlotte), but Raptor fans saying that no one wants to play in Charlotte is a bit ironic given the talent that has left Toronto in a hurry.

Posted by: John | Jul 13, 2010 1:44:10 PM

@catnation

clean the poop out of your eyes dude - VC & Bosh both re-upped with Toronto so they didn't leave the first chance they had.

Nobody has ever re-upped in Charlotte either dude....let it go!

Posted by: bill | Jul 13, 2010 1:44:53 PM

Micheal Jordan just lost all the credibility he has in nba,what nba gm is gonna talk 2 Bobcats,even when u have deal done..Deal has 2 go through Micheal's hand..pathetic.
Chad ford from espn said he did the same thing..with Tj Ford deal,cold feet..hey mike why don't u go back 2 gambling tables it would work out for u a lot better.

Posted by: Mike.D | Jul 13, 2010 1:47:05 PM

@bill aka disguised raptor fan

Vince and Bosh cried with joy when he got out of Canada.

Posted by: Catnation | Jul 13, 2010 1:47:06 PM

You Toronto fans should get out of here. This is a NORTH CAROLINA blog.

Posted by: Ricky | Jul 13, 2010 1:47:57 PM

@mike d

the owners always have final say on all trades. and you say the same thing happened with TJ ford. guess what? didn't "hurt mjs reputation" around the league when it came to trading. obviously you guys sure were desperate to trade with us! THINK

Posted by: Catnation | Jul 13, 2010 1:49:17 PM

Time will tell if MJ has the Midas touch as GM aka owner. He didn't exactly have it alright with Washington. Maybe he'll get better when his money is on the line.

Posted by: Rap fan 2 | Jul 13, 2010 1:49:57 PM

True John.

However, after Vince Carters rookie contract was over, he was highly touted as a star in the league. He could've left, but signed a 5 year extension. As did bosh. So they left, but still gave it a shot.

The reason i drew comparisons between torontos franchise value is because catnation called it "a piss hole of a franchise".

Bottom line is, I truly believe that stars would rather play in Toronto than in Charlotte. Toronto has more appeal and has a better brain thrust at the top.(No offense,MJ isn't the brightest)

Just saying.

Posted by: Dilly | Jul 13, 2010 1:49:57 PM

Sounds to me like MJ is coming out of retirement (how many times does this make?) to be Charlotte's starting PG. Good luck to the 'Cats GM - tough to walk out of town after being cut off at the knees like that. And good luck making trades going forward - trading partners don't take well to teams reneging on a deal.

Posted by: Doug in Toronto | Jul 13, 2010 1:51:26 PM

LOL @ Ricky. This isn't a NC blog. It's the internet. Even people in China can join in you hick. Go eat your mayonaise sandwich, jerk.

Posted by: Dilly | Jul 13, 2010 1:52:21 PM

@Ricky y'all gonna call the Minutemen?

Posted by: Rob | Jul 13, 2010 1:53:09 PM

I don't know how much more ignorance can fit in one comments section!

Posted by: Dave | Jul 13, 2010 1:54:02 PM

You're right all I ever hear about is how all these great free agents can't wait to go up and play in Canada. oh wait, I've never heard that

Posted by: Catnation | Jul 13, 2010 1:54:32 PM

has anyone heard about the Alexis Ajinca trade?

Posted by: Tyler | Jul 13, 2010 1:55:12 PM

LOL I'm Chinese not American, good fight guys.

Posted by: Ricky | Jul 13, 2010 1:55:14 PM

@Dill "This isn't a NC blog. It's the internet. Even people in China can join in you hick. Go eat your mayonaise sandwich, jerk."

LOLOLOL

@ Ricky what a hick thing too say. If you dont like it you can giiit out

Posted by: Matthew | Jul 13, 2010 1:56:17 PM

raptors fans that think MJ's reputation is hurt are such idiots. trades are about 2 teams getting things that benefit both of them. its a fact: GMs are more intelligent than butthurt fans that didn't get a fleecing trade. if we have a deal with teams that can mutually benefit both of us, it will happen. hate to break it to you, thats business. just like toronto took the sign and trade for bosh

Posted by: Catnation | Jul 13, 2010 1:58:08 PM

all u canadians on this blog rlly are lil ass holes i mean u guys are making alot of dumb stereotypes i mean just stop why are u just bashing the Bobcats i mean wat do u have tht gives u the right

Posted by: Jeremy | Jul 13, 2010 1:59:38 PM

OK that's fair, I didn't see that, the Raptors obviously have a good franchise with a strong following. Anyone that says otherwise is just looking to pick a fight.

The truth is that unfortunately I don't think free agents want to play in either Charlotte or Toronto. Charlotte because it's a smaller city and a newer/unproven franchise, Toronto because for whatever reason many seem averse to playing outside the country (even though TO is literally right over the border, and a bigger media market than all but 3 cities here). I think bobcats fans are hoping for CP3 because he's from NC.

Lastly, I agree that MJ hasn't been a great executive but you'd be surprised at the clout he still has among players because of his historical stature.

Posted by: John | Jul 13, 2010 1:59:44 PM

I think the problem is that some Americans have never traveled out of the country. Toronto is a world class city to those people how are a little less ignorant. It's a bit of getto mentality.

Posted by: Rap fan 2 | Jul 13, 2010 2:00:08 PM

dont tell us, tell the free agents that you guys never get

Posted by: Catnation | Jul 13, 2010 2:03:11 PM

Ahhhh, it's all fun and games with our cousins to the south.

I've been to Charlotte many times. It's a nice city and the people were always super friendly.