About that “Romney-Ryan” chanting on MSNBC – Updated

posted at 8:31 am on September 29, 2012 by Jazz Shaw

There was yet another story this week making the rounds regarding a Romney-Ryan stop on the campaign trail, alleging some dirty tricks by the media in their coverage. But this one really serves more to highlight what happens when politicos wind up with too much time on their hands during the silly season. In it, we find charges of media skullduggery in their attempts to get Barack Obama elected to a second term. (Nothing new there, I’m sure.) But this one seems to have problems.

Here’s the clip in question, where MSNBC host Joe Scarborough reacts to a clip of Paul Ryan introducing Mitt Romney during the event in question, and Mitt responding to the chants of the crowd.

After Ryan finishes the intro, Mitt grabs the mic and says, “Wow! That’s quite a guy, isn’t it? Paul Ryan! Isn’t that something?” At this point the crowd breaks out into a chant. This is where the “controversy” begins.

If you listen closely, it’s obvious the audio in the clip has been adjusted. However, that’s not uncommon — and that doesn‘t necessarily mean it’s MSNBC who did it. Sound technicians usually cut out the audience to ensure speakers aren’t drowned out (which you can do by simply turning the mics up and down — or you can do after the fact). However, where the controversy comes in is in the caption on the screen quoting the audience as chanting “Ryan!” Why is that controversial? Because people who attended the event say that’s not what happened, and that the MSNBC video grossly misrepresents what actually occurred.

Yes, the caption on the screen reads, “Ryan! Ryan!” And when Mitt jumps in to urge the crowd to say, “Romney Ryan” it comes off looking kind of awkward. But that’s the entire point that Scarborough seems to be reacting to… that it was a brief, forgettable moment which wound up coming off poorly on video and simply opened the door to another event “gaffe.”

But more to the point, it’s a bit of a leap to try to assume some sort of conspiracy on the part of MSNBC here, no matter what your normal inclinations are. I pulled the audio line of the clip out using Audacity and played it several times at high volume with some background noise dampening. (And without.) A lot of people were chanting “Ryan.” Why wouldn’t they? The guy is very popular and had not only just finished speaking, but was also complimented by the candidate. And without a doubt, some other people were chanting “Romney.”

But the way it played on video was… awkward. Was it a campaign ending – or even influencing – flub? No.. it’s a nothingburger. But was it a conspiracy by MSNBC? As the original article admits, it’s pretty much standard editing. How each person interprets it is up to them. But… a MSM conspiracy? Sorry… I’m just not seeing it. I believe Romney heard some of the people yelling “Romney!” and wanted to spread the credit around, but did so at a moment which left the reaction open to any interpretation partisans might like.

So what was this in the end? It’s us having way too much time on our hands while we wait for the first debate. You can find more than enough incidents of media bias all around the dial to keep things clicking along, but in this case, there simply wasn’t any “there there” on either side. Scarborough is one of the few conservatives given time on MSNBC (though you should also check out S.E. Cupp on “The Cycle” in the afternoon) and it’s kind of self defeating to tear down one of the reasonable voices on the network. If you really think Scarborough is trying to get Obama reelected, I honestly don’t know what to say to you. This was really a case of nothing to see here… move along.

UPDATE 9/30: Jazz

Given the, shall we say, “energetic” response to this piece which I’ve received through multiple channels, a fair portion of the weekend was spent digging further into this story. (A fact I am still gobsmacked by, given the completely trivial nature of the original clip.) Yet a few more interesting twists and turns to the tale have emerged.

First of all, as was previously reported, MSNBC picked up on the story via Politico. Here is their original video, still available on line, where they ran the fifteen seconds of film from the event with the headline, “Romney changes crowd’s chant to include his name.” Even if they backed off on the story later, this was the source MSNBC originally picked up. I’ve run that video against the one shown on Morning Joe, including the audio tracks, and they are identical. But there’s another twist to come.

In an effort to verify the story, I contacted MSNBC. In the process of preparing to air the clip, they sought out confirmation and located an article from the New York Times, which many readers referenced as proof that Politico’s line about what the crowd was chanting was incorrect. (Leading to the suggestion that Morning Joe must have cooked the books on it.) That article in its current form ends as follows:

The other is that the PowerPoint slides and wonky talk work powerfully well with many people who leave feeling that they have not been lectured to, but empowered.

“He speaks the truth, and he gives us facts,” Jackie Sullivan said after a rally in Orlando, Fla., last weekend that drew more than 2,000 people.

But avoiding missteps is now critical for the both of them, as they fight together to chip into Mr. Obama’s lead.

After Mr. Ryan whooped up the crowd in Vandalia on Tuesday, Mr. Romney moved to the front of the stage. As the crowd began chanting “Romney! Romney!” he cut them off.“Wait a second,” Mr. Romney said, instructing the audience to cheer for “Romney-Ryan! Romney-Ryan!” They did.

“There we go,” he said, pleased.

Michael Barbaro contributed reporting from New York.

But early in the news cycle, when MSNBC was checking into it, there was something else there. A correction was posted on the story, which has since disappeared. Here’s how the end of the article looked that morning, as captured by another site’s RSS feed.

The other is that the PowerPoint slides and wonky talk work powerfully well with many people who leave feeling that they have not been lectured to, but empowered.

“He speaks the truth, and he gives us facts,” Jackie Sullivan said after a rally in Orlando, Fla., last weekend that drew more than 2,000 people.

Michael Barbaro contributed reporting from New York.

This article has been revised to reflect the following correction:

Correction: September 25, 2012

An earlier version of this article referred to the crowd at a rally in Vandalia, Ohio, chanting “Romney! Romney!” as Mr. Romney took the stage. Upon closer review of the audio, it was unclear if the crowd was chanting for Mr. Romney, his running mate, Paul Ryan, or for both men.

So, when MSNBC went to check on the story, the Gray Lady had included a correction saying that the crowd reaction may have been the same as that reported in Politico. While the correction has since disappeared, I reached out to a source familiar with the processing of the story who confirmed that the retraction had been been there, but was no longer present.

The bottom line to this entire sad tale is that the original story – involving fifteen seconds of a crowd chanting at a campaign rally – has now morphed beyond what was at first nothing more than a potentially amusing moment on the campaign trail and become a meta-story in a pair of campaigns which frequently remain about nothing. But in this case, too many people who are ostensibly fighting for the conservative cause have chosen to concoct a conspiracy theory in which one of the conservative voices in the mainstream media is secretly trying to undermine the Romney campaign and facilitate President Obama’s reelection. And for suggesting that we might be jumping the gun on this, I received a near record number of responses suggesting that I’m all too willing to buy into this media narrative and lend a hand. Morning Joe took a fast moving story from a frequently cited source – Politico – and checked with the New York Times and ran it.

Was the story flawed? Almost certainly. Did it hold any great importance for voters considering their choices in November? No. But vilifying one of our own during the silly season near the end of the election isn’t helping anyone. Let’s close the book on this one, folks.

Romney is now officially the only major party candidate in history whose unfavorable (50) rating is higher than his favorable rating (43). He was no Mr. Congeniality before, but The 47% percent gaffe sent him spiraling downward. His recent attempts to soften his image on such shows as Kelly Ripa’s show comes off as awkward at best. Obama is just running out the clock at this point.

And also, let me add something. The day after Obama loses, when you and your fellow leeches are planning to riot in the streets, think about this:

1) Conservatives have put up for years with you calling them everything but nice.

2) Conservatives will be able to finally see what you look like and who you are.

From that part forward, how likely do you think you are to be hired, socialized with, befriended, or helped — when you’ve made it obvious that you think all conservatives are idiots who you wish would drop dead, to whom you have no problem with lying, and who you do things for the sheer purpose of antagonizing them?

You and your fellow Obamabots are all-in on this election, which I think you dimly realize. That’s why your owner Obama has been dialing the free-sh*t machine up to 11 and screaming Fuhrer-like from his teleprompters that Romney/Ryan means that you would have to work for your income instead of getting everything for free!

There will indeed be a crash following Romney’s election — in the lifestyle of the parasite class to which you and yours belong that has been bleeding the productive class dry.

So think about that — and the fact that the only people who will be willing to pay you and take care of you after Election Day are the productive, the business owners, and Christians/churches that you have been lambasting.

Romney is now officially the only major party candidate in history whose unfavorable (50) rating is higher than his favorable rating (43). He was no Mr. Congeniality before, but The 47% percent gaffe sent him spiraling downward. His recent attempts to soften his image on such shows as Kelly Ripa’s show comes off as awkward at best. Obama is just running out the clock at this point.

This story is another distraction. It was an awkward moment for Romney–he’s kind of an awkward guy, and it’s part of his dad-charm. Did MSNBC doctor the clip? Probably. Who knows? Who cares?

I’m sad to say that MSNBC (or major media) doctoring this clip isn’t a scandal. At least, it isn’t the most important scandal of the day. Sadly, we have much bigger problems. The big story that really matters here is that the president’s foreign policy is in shambles, our embassies are being attacked, AQ remains enough of a threat coordinate at least one of these embassy attacks, and the Obama Administration lies about all of it, trying to conceal it. And the press won’t hold Obama to account; the press won’t even talk about this story–truly an epic scandal!

And we’re sitting around b*itching about some meaningless 30-second piece of tape, watching it and re-watching it for evidence of tampering? Really? We really need to keep our eye on the ball, folks. These endless discussions about the latest so-called gaffe of the day (or about the accuracy of public opinion polling) aren’t getting us anywhere.

When we aren’t talking about Obama’s failure with the economy, we need to be talking about Obama’s failure on foreign policy. And if we must talk about the media, we ought to focus on the fact that they aren’t covering the glaring failures of Obama’s time in office, and the other major issues of the campaign.

Romney is now officially the only major party candidate in history blahblahblah who has the entire mainstream media as well as a whole suite of those purportedly in his party bought and paid for by the opposition to stream out non-stop lies and disinformation, and even so remain in a virtual dead heat with the anointed establishment candidate.
ZippyZ on September 29, 2012 at 12:06 PM

FIFY.

And how’s that working out for you, anyway? With nearly EVERYONE in the bag for him, your guy is lucky to get 50% approval.

Major, epic fail for you and your MSM fellow travelers, and an ongoing victory for rationality and reason.

that facepalm would be deserved if indeed only romney was being chanted.

I see the cspan video again it this is curious:
if you try to hear ryan, I can hear ryan. if you try to hear romney, you will hear romney.

its some kind of psychological thing, that hearing a garbled choir of voices, you preconceived bias can help you filter out stuff so you hear what you expect to hear.

so my assumption is that both names were being chanted. in my opinion it makes more sense to chant ryan after that praise, but maybe some in the crowd were just on automatic romney chant no matter what he said, so, both chants mixed.

assuming this, it explains a lot. the journalists that hear romney might have been closer to a romney chanters. we can never be sure.
regarding romney, what did he hear? romney? ryan? or both? his reaction seems to make sense if he hears both. and its a true nothing burger!

however, yeah, the partisans will hear what they want to hear:
msnbc want to hear ryan so they label romney and spins it in a negative for romney.
townhall want to hear romney so the they show the same video, but with the introduction they give, people expect romney and then hear Romney. then townhall spins this as a positive for romney, trying to include ryan in his chant.

it quite possible that both msnbc and townhall were unaware that its just a psychological phenomena at play when they proceeded with their spins. at least they have the benefit of the doubt.

It’s not as bad as all that. The nicest and most maddening thing about Republicans is they want to be fair.

Cindy Munford on September 29, 2012 at 12:20 PM

Cindy, I love you dearly, but it really is as bad as all that. We’re less than six weeks out and it’s time to make it clear: you’re with us or against us. The independents aren’t going to be swayed by how fair or nice we are, but by whether we counter immediately and forcefully every lie put forth by the opposition.

And those like Jazz who have chosen to represent us are especially required to take up that fight. If they don’t, they are traitors. It’s an ugly word, but it’s the only one that applies at this point.

Sorry, but I’m fighting for AJ. Who are you fighting for? (That’s rhetorical, by the way; I know you’re fighting the good fight.)

If you can’t grasp that MSNBC adding “some subtitles to induce viwers to think ryan was being chanted” to the video IS doctoring the video, then not only is the facepalm deserved…

…here’s your sign.

Flora Duh on September 29, 2012 at 12:48 PM

the question is, was MSNBC aware of the that both names are in chant or not? if they were, and they in purpose labeled in to induce error, they yes, you are right. or maybe they just thought the ryan was not clear enough and labeled to make it clear but still thinking to themselves that only ryan was being chanted.
its hard to know. and we cannot be sure.

yeah, maybe i am being naive, msnbc does love to spin it for the dems and starts to be a mirror image of fox.

And those like Jazz who have chosen to represent us are especially required to take up that fight. If they don’t, they are traitors. It’s an ugly word, but it’s the only one that applies at this point.

Sorry, but I’m fighting for AJ. Who are you fighting for? (That’s rhetorical, by the way; I know you’re fighting the good fight.)

AJsDaddie on September 29, 2012 at 12:30 PM

You have it backwards. It’s we Democrats who are supposed to — by tradition — form the circular firing squads. But is you want to turn viciously on a good conservative simply because he hasn’t gone along with a particularly pathetic whine of the day, I’m happy to pass the ammo.

yeah, maybe i am being naive, msnbc does love to spin it for the dems and starts to be a mirror image of fox.

nathor on September 29, 2012 at 12:59 PM

When does Fox “spin it for the” Republicans? Really. When have they ever been caught doctoring a video? The thing that makes Fox a right-of-center news organization is their willingness to cover stories that may challenge the left’s preconceived notions, and their willingness to give right-of-center commentators a fair hearing of their views. MSNBC is nothing like a mirror image of Fox, excluding funhouse mirrors.

Scarborough is one of the few conservatives given time on MSNBC (though you should also check out S.E. Cupp on “The Cycle” in the afternoon) and it’s kind of self defeating to tear down one of the reasonable voices on the network.

There is so much wrong with that statement I wouldn’t know where to begin.

maybe they just thought the ryan was not clear enough and labeled to make it clear but still thinking to themselves that only ryan was being chanted. its hard to know. and we cannot be sure.

nathor on September 29, 2012 at 12:59 PM

Yes, we can, from eyewitness accounts of reporters for other liberal media outlets that were actually there and heard what happened.

The fact that as of last night – after being told by several eyewitnesses what really happened – MSNBC, and especially Joe Scarborough, is sticking with their original report, is just doubling down on their deceptive lie.

There’s going to be a landslide victory in November. President Romney is coming.

balkanmom on September 29, 2012 at 1:10 PM

I sure hope so. This campaign makes me very nervous. It seems to me that in a free country, one election shouldn’t matter as much as this one does. Far, far too many of our countrymen–very nearly half the country– seems unmoored from any understanding of what having a constitutional republic means.

The thing that makes Fox a right-of-center news organization is their willingness to cover stories that may challenge the left’s preconceived notions, and their willingness to give right-of-center commentators a fair hearing of their views.

I am too much a fan of the daily show to buy that. time and time again they were caught red handed with their double standards and hypocrisy that is just beyond ridiculous. fox news IS heavily partisan.

MSNBC is nothing like a mirror image of Fox, excluding funhouse mirrors.

ghostwriter on September 29, 2012 at 1:05 PM

a funny thing is that I actually don’t watch tv much and most of my political opinions are formed from a diverse set of web sites.
still I have not seen an republican john Stewart, ripping apart msnbc week after week. if msnbc was as badly partisan as fox, it should be an easy task.

You guys do know that even the biased Morning Joe thing helps Rs. Reporting that the crowd was chanting “Ryan” makes it seem that Ryan is more appealing as a candidate than Romney (which he is). It is another story added to the collection of stories that Romney is losing because he is an awkward, bad candidate (and yes, that Ohio rally was pretty cringeworthy.) However, while they’re pointing out that Romney is a bad candidate, the MSM is also pointing out that Ryan is an appealing one. There have been lots of stories popping up this week about Ryan rescuing Romney and charisma, energy, etc. is being used a lot to describe Ryan and his stump style. It’s ramped up a bit since Ryan friends and allies (especially his BFF Scott Walker) started complaining about Ryan being shackled in the campaign. It’s almost like they were trying to help their friend and bolster his 2016 chances. Why Romney lost is already being written.. He’s a bad candidate, especially in comparison to his VP. Notice that it isn’t about Ryan’s Medicare proposal. Ryan is going to end up in the free and clear on this as long as he skewers Biden into little pieces in the debate.

I think that there is a good chance that Romney loses. Image matters in politics. It’s why we have Obama now. This campaign reminds me of 2004, right down to the stiff MA politician. We should brace ourselves for a loss and think of happy stories (Mia Love.) However, Romney’s loss in 2012 probably means President Ryan in 2016, which isn’t such a bad deal.

The fact that as of last night – after being told by several eyewitnesses what really happened – MSNBC, and especially Joe Scarborough, is sticking with their original report, is just doubling down on their deceptive lie.

Flora Duh on September 29, 2012 at 1:09 PM

where where the eyewitnesses located? near romney chanters or ryan chanters?

Answer me this, if MSNBC had no agenda to promote; why would they find the need to put subtitles up on the screen? I can’t make the determination what was being said myself?

To all the non believers out there; MSNBC HAS AN AGENDA TO GET THEIR GUY OBAMA REELECTED, IF YOU CAN’T SEE THAT GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR A**

Carry on.

reddevil on September 29, 2012 at 1:32 PM

I just logged in to write the same thing (albeit less emphatically), before your post appeared. If they hadn’t put the misleading subtitles up, Jazz’s take on the situation may have been arguable. As it is, it’s just another nail in the coffin of the rotting corpse that was, long ago, Morning Joe’s last shred of credibility.

a funny thing is that I actually don’t watch tv much and most of my political opinions are formed from a diverse set of web sites.
still I have not seen an republican john Stewart, ripping apart msnbc week after week. if msnbc was as badly partisan as fox, it should be an easy task.

where is the comedy! its boring stuff, like, “Piers Morgan Ignores Libya While Pounding Romney Campaign”

bah, it seems more like crying that the media are not paying attention to the talking points that give more advantage to repubs. it quite boring and not comic.
also, its posts a lot from fox news that have 0 credibility to criticize any media outlet of bias.
again, I want comedy or else i wont see it.

You have it backwards. It’s we Democrats who are supposed to — by tradition — form the circular firing squads. But is you want to turn viciously on a good conservative simply because he hasn’t gone along with a particularly pathetic whine of the day, I’m happy to pass the ammo.

Gee, here’s another troll who is conspicuously absent from the above mentioned thread.

Flora Duh on September 29, 2012 at 1:39 PM

I was in bed by the time this was posted last night (just checked it) and was busy all morning with real life and not on the computer.

But, in case you’re wondering, it doesn’t much bother me. It’s the Republicans who put defense cuts on the table and Republican intransigence on taxes that makes sequestration likely. Democrats would have preferred automatic tax increases as a penalty, but no – Boehner couldn’t deliver his caucus for a rational (as rational as this sort of thing can ever be) deal.

Let’s be clear: Obama’s going to win, the Democrats are going to hold the Senate and — while both the Prez and the Senate are willing to compromise (too willing) — no deal is going to get done unless the Republicans compromise as well. You can have a few rich people pay a little bit more (maybe cut some loopholes and have an even smaller few pay a lot more) or you can gut the defense of our nation. It’s your call.

If the polls are right……ALL the polls…..now showing that well oiled Romney campaign machine being beaten by the worst President in American history……

Then Obama really did speak the truth for the generations when he said “We are five days away from FUNDAMENTALLY transforming the United States of America.”

If Obama wins then white guilt and race have supplanted personal and national economic success as the key drivers in American political races. If that’s true then they just need to nominate Texas Governor in waiting Castro in 2016 and the country will be finished off and just be another Teater filled socialist utopia.

No more will people care about gas prices, home values, their kids futures, foreign policy disasters, or even rising food prices and generational slavery to our national debt.

But, in case you’re wondering, it doesn’t much bother me. It’s the Republicans who put defense cuts on the table and Republican intransigence on taxes that makes sequestration likely. Democrats would have preferred automatic tax increases as a penalty, but no – Boehner couldn’t deliver his caucus for a rational (as rational as this sort of thing can ever be) deal.

Come on, duplicitous liar. You screamed and cried and complained about taxes and how anyone who avoided paying them was unfit for public office; now you’re caught. You screamed and cried and complained that no Obama supporters were voting based on skin color or for free stuff; now you’re exposed.

I was in bed by the time this was posted last night (just checked it) and was busy all morning with real life and not on the computer.

But, in case you’re wondering, it doesn’t much bother me. It’s the Republicans who put defense cuts on the table and Republican intransigence on taxes that makes sequestration likely. Democrats would have preferred automatic tax increases as a penalty, but no – Boehner couldn’t deliver his caucus for a rational (as rational as this sort of thing can ever be) deal.

Let’s be clear: Obama’s going to win, the Democrats are going to hold the Senate and — while both the Prez and the Senate are willing to compromise (too willing) — no deal is going to get done unless the Republicans compromise as well. You can have a few rich people pay a little bit more (maybe cut some loopholes and have an even smaller few pay a lot more) or you can gut the defense of our nation. It’s your call.

The thing that makes Fox a right-of-center news organization is their willingness to cover stories that may challenge the left’s preconceived notions, and their willingness to give right-of-center commentators a fair hearing of their views.

I am too much a fan of the daily show to buy that. time and time again they were caught red handed with their double standards and hypocrisy that is just beyond ridiculous. fox news IS heavily partisan.

MSNBC is nothing like a mirror image of Fox, excluding funhouse mirrors.

ghostwriter on September 29, 2012 at 1:05 PM

a funny thing is that I actually don’t watch tv much and most of my political opinions are formed from a diverse set of web sites.
still I have not seen an republican john Stewart, ripping apart msnbc week after week. if msnbc was as badly partisan as fox, it should be an easy task.

nathor on September 29, 2012 at 1:26 PM

Aj.. Now, I see what your problem is: You get your news coverage from a comedian. That explains a lot.

Do you understand that, urban elitist? If you confiscated the total income of every single taxpayer making over $200k annually in the United States, you couldn’t even pay the entire generously-adjusted deficit that your “progressive” Obama Party and Barack Obama have run up in the past three years alone, never mind the cumulative deficit or the looming explosion in entitlement costs.

And that doesn’t even get into the economic effect of confiscating every single dollar of income that anyone making over $200k has.

You have a child’s view of economics, urban elitist. You see the economy as your parent’s wallet — an inexhaustible supply of funds that you didn’t have to lift a finger to earn and that belongs to you to spend as you like, and if they refuse you, they’re hateful bigots who abuse their child and want you to starve.

If Obama is so far out in front, and will win in a landslide, how is it, here in the Heartland, I see very few Obama Bumper stickers, nor have I run into very many people who are going to vote for the Manchurian President.

And, if he is comfortably leading, why is the MSM covering for him, in fact, lying for him, in a fashion which shows anything but confidence in his re-election?

Finally, if Obama is in the catbird seat, why, for the last couple of weeks, have every Troll left on the HA roster shown up, desperately trying to stifle Conservative Conversation, by blatantly lying, ignoring the facts of #BenghaziGate, and when challenged, putting their fingers in their eyes and saying “Lalalalala…I can’t hear you.”

I went thorough this polling garbage back in 1980. But then, we did not have the New Media available to us.

If you are swayed by any of these paid and unpaid Trolls, think again. America is sick and tired of this fool and his Administration. There are a lot more of us than there are of them. They are simply more vocal.

I wouldn’t bother with this one. It is only trying to deflect from the fact that his/her boy king is resorting to encouraging businesses to break the law and bribery to assure his reelection isn’t impacted by a bunch of layoffs.

Good grief, I didn’t think it was possible for someone to do it, but you’ve passed Steve A in the running for HA’s Dumb as a Box of Rocks Award.

NewsBusted

Flora Duh on September 29, 2012 at 1:53 PM

I saw 3 shows, many jokes are at the level of late night shows. jokes on biden(allways popular), and some jokes on the media non reporting some news(lame), some jokes seems to be on themselves, like, obama gets the muslim brotherwood vote? wtf? that seems a colbert joke!

but its not the daily show style. daily show confronts the opinions of todays fox news hosts with their previous positions and time and time again the double standards and hypocrisy are demonstrated.

What my ears hear and what seems to fit the context best is that the crowd is chanting “Romney” and “Ryan” at the same time and Romney coordinates the chanting. MSNBC’s fault is that it lead viewers to believe the crowd was only chanting “Ryan”.

I saw 3 shows, many jokes are at the level of late night shows. jokes on biden(allways popular), and some jokes on the media non reporting some news(lame), some jokes seems to be on themselves, like, obama gets the muslim brotherwood vote? wtf? that seems a colbert joke!

but its not the daily show style. daily show confronts the opinions of todays fox news hosts with their previous positions and time and time again the double standards and hypocrisy are demonstrated.

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Chillax.
You either trust the socialists and liberals running the media trash or you don’t. If you do then you are unconcerned about truth.

and here’s another heart breaker coming your way.
Romney loses in the debates. Forget the liberal bias moderators-Even if he had unbiased moderators and does a good job- THEY will still say he loses. Thats what your media will tell you. Palin kicked Slo Joe’s a$$ in her debate (4 yrs later we know why she was able to)- but the media couldn’t say that she won it.

The truth is secondary to their agenda. DO NOT put that on Romney- clearly one of the most decent men to apply for the job in recent memory.

For God’s sake- Adulterer and cigar afficionado Bill Clinton is REVERED by these clowns.

If Obama is so far out in front, and will win in a landslide, how is it, here in the Heartland, I see very few Obama Bumper stickers, nor have I run into very many people who are going to vote for the Manchurian President.

I don’t think anyone’s calling a landslide. I think what they’re saying is that he has a small but statistically significant lead and that the Romney campaign appears incapable of changing the momentum.

Palin kicked Slo Joe’s a$$ in her debate (4 yrs later we know why she was able to)- but the media couldn’t say that she won it.

Really, the idiot who winked at the camera won? What she campaigning for, prom queen?

Aj.. Now, I see what your problem is: You get your news coverage from a comedian. That explains a lot.

ghostwriter on September 29, 2012 at 1:59 PM

no dude, lately my main political news sites have been hot air, politico and dkos. (right, middle and left)i also see mediaite and buzzfeed. RCP also points to many good articles. then i wait for the comic show the next day. for example, the 47% story I read first on dkos, went to politico to see if it would have any traction and then when to hot air to see the apologetics and then just eagerly awaited the trashing by the comic shows the next day. not disappointed.
sometimes the cycle starts in hot air but again ends in the comic shows next day.
for more generic news I just use google news.

Aj.. Now, I see what your problem is: You get your news coverage from a comedian. That explains a lot.

ghostwriter on September 29, 2012 at 1:59 PM

Huge difference ignoring actual reporters at an event and pushing a false narative off a doctored video. Than accidently using the wrong background video. Fox showed the correct video when the error was reported.

There are numerous reports from this rally every one says the same thing even the NY Times (you really saying they are biased for Romney?)

I am well known for saying Romney will lose. This here is a false story that destroys Joe’s credibility for life. It is a big deal. I believe in the truth. Truth here is MSNBC doctored this and ignored the truth.

By the way John Stewart while into comedy does a perty good job of making sure his basic facts are correct. He will and does correct himself. He is a valid source as as long as you take his bias into account. Not primary becuase you have to figure out what is comedy and what is reporting.

Geez, why all the concern about msnbc doctoring a video? I thought noone watched their silly network?
right?
Let’s stick to important issues; Bengaziegate and F&F.
Wait, I meant China and Iran…er Medicare and Medicaid…?
umm…has anyone seen the REAL birth certificate?

All this says is that it is close enough that Soros is worried that Mitt Romney might still win.

Mitt Romney could still win. He would have to completely change into an attack dog in the debate and attack the biased moderator and Obama make it clear it was two against one in the debate and anounce a real plan to fix things. But he could do that. He does do that and does so convincenly he could still win.

As to what happened. My guess would be Romney told Soros he would not be his lap dog like Obama is.

First of all…you chose not to challenge my post that Mitt’s likability is at historic lows for a major party candidate. People do not vote for a candidate they do not like. Google search it and find the polls yourself. That’s why O is leading in all of the swing state polls. Don’t shoot the messenger.

This just in…Vegas odds on Obama reelection just hit an all-time high. Obama is now a 5:1 favorite…amazing. For reference, Bush was favored at 1.75:1 at this point vs. Kerry. Just let me know if you need help with “math”.

I apologize to not rebutting your rants in the past. I pop onto the internet here and there and do not spend too much time on Hotair. The only government check I ever received in my life was an unemployment check for three months in 2008. BTW, I will be retiring in 5 years at the age of 52 with the money I made off of my investments. The last 3.5 years under Obama has sent the stock market to historic highs. The S&P 500 is up 79% since the day he took office. I save and invest my money in 401K’s and invest post-tax money in the stock market. Yes…I am much better off than I was 4 years ago. A better job..and investments through the roof. Thanks Obama and Bernanke for reversing the Bush economic collapse.

… it’s not so much about a conspiracy as it is about an edited tape and a group of people on a leftist network that desperately want the story to be so. That Scarborough wasn’t suspicious makes him culpable in getting a story out without checking irrespective of whether he’s got “people” that are supposed to do that sort of thing for him. It’s the whole Dan Rather thing again except with less importance, as you say.

If the polls are right……ALL the polls…..now showing that well oiled Romney campaign machine being beaten by the worst President in American history……

Then Obama really did speak the truth for the generations when he said “We are five days away from FUNDAMENTALLY transforming the United States of America.”

If Obama wins then white guilt and race have supplanted personal and national economic success as the key drivers in American political races. If that’s true then they just need to nominate Texas Governor in waiting Castro in 2016 and the country will be finished off and just be another Teater filled socialist utopia.

No more will people care about gas prices, home values, their kids futures, foreign policy disasters, or even rising food prices and generational slavery to our national debt.

Wow, if true……..this country has been transformed, fundamentally.

PappyD61 on September 29, 2012 at 1:52 PM

Geez are you ever an idiot. I hope you hide in your house and don’t go out and scare people with this nonsense. I hope it’s just us that you do this to and not people that might be voting or might be swayed to look to conservatism because if you are the first thing they see…

Did you look at the link I provided from Breitbart’s site? The Almighty Soros and Mother Jones are worried.

What in the hell is the point in trying to explain away media bias Jazz? And this is not the first time Scarbs has done something like this, so why are you giving him the benefit of the doubt? That post is almost “useful idiot” level journalism.

First of all…you chose not to challenge my post that Mitt’s likability is at historic lows for a major party candidate. People do not vote for a candidate they do not like. Google search it and find the polls yourself. That’s why O is leading in all of the swing state polls. Don’t shoot the messenger.

Of course. When one samples people like yourself who are Obamabots at a rate not even seen in the 2008 elections, you can get any result you want.

People who know math understand that. You don’t.

And this became even more precious:

This just in…Vegas odds on Obama reelection just hit an all-time high. Obama is now a 5:1 favorite…amazing. For reference, Bush was favored at 1.75:1 at this point vs. Kerry. Just let me know if you need help with “math”.

Yes, because Las Vegas bookies are such a reliable predictor of everything.

People who know math understand otherwise. You don’t.

I apologize to not rebutting your rants in the past. I pop onto the internet here and there and do not spend too much time on Hotair. The only government check I ever received in my life was an unemployment check for three months in 2008. BTW, I will be retiring in 5 years at the age of 52 with the money I made off of my investments. The last 3.5 years under Obama has sent the stock market to historic highs. The S&P 500 is up 79% since the day he took office. I save and invest my money in 401K’s and invest post-tax money in the stock market. Yes…I am much better off than I was 4 years ago. A better job..and investments through the roof. Thanks Obama and Bernanke for reversing the Bush economic collapse.

ZippyZ on September 29, 2012 at 3:20 PM

Nope.

Because as we know, you make all your life decisions based on partisan push polls and Las Vegas bookies, so what you are desperately doing is calling sex hotlines with your mom’s credit card on your Obama phone and calling it an “investment”.

The trolls get more and more hilarious as we go. No surprise that they support the pathological liar Obama.

In 2010 it was the Tea Party that gined up support for the Republicans.

Now in 2012 the Tea Party has been silienced and put down.

Americans are not stupid. They see this. They say to themselves hey I thought maybe the Republicans were OK because I liked what the Tea Party was saying. But I guess not no one is saying that anymore. 6% go back to the Democratic Party.