The Microsoft Surface Tablet Is Going To Be A Total Flophttp://www.businessinsider.com/the-microsoft-surface-tablet-will-not-work-2012-6/comments
en-usWed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 -0500Sun, 18 Feb 2018 01:04:50 -0500Jay Yarowhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/50083848ecad042e05000002WP7_AllianceThu, 19 Jul 2012 12:39:36 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/50083848ecad042e05000002
Hey Jay, what happens if I send you a flash enabled email to you and you view it on your iPad? Ouch...very innovative company eh?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5008353beab8eab826000004WP7_AllianceThu, 19 Jul 2012 12:26:35 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5008353beab8eab826000004
First, fuck polite.
Second, fuck this article.
Third, fuck the iPad.
Fourth, fuck......http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5008310eecad041873000033WP7_AllianceThu, 19 Jul 2012 12:08:46 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5008310eecad041873000033
Okay, let's get started...first this article is absolute false, full pricing hasn't been disclosed so keep that in mind. Secondly, what's wrong with replacing your laptop with a tablet? I mean if you buy a "$600.00" item that can replace your laptop and your tablet isn't that essentially saving you money (Rhetorical). The iPad might vas well be a giant iPhone, there is no flash support, no USB ports, can't expand the memory...I mean what the heck is it good for except having larger real estate to work with in the means of videos, games, and apps (Videos that do not have flash, keep that in mind). Reinventing is what good companies do, if you just try to copy or imitate the market you can't stand out, your just another brick in the wall (Pink Floyd, gotta love em). Are you stating that a kickstand is a bad idea? You have to BUY a case or kickstand just to get the iPad to stay upright, why wouldn't a kickstand be a good idea. Do you like to buy a car with no side mirrors? Oh, I'll just add those later, or buy that as an add on...."Lesser reasons: Microsoft is only selling the Surface at its stores, the battery life might be worse, it has a kickstand, consumers don't think of Microsoft as a great, hip, cool brand, the Zune, its biggest selling point is a keyboard almost no one has used, etc." This whole sentence, if you want to call it that is absolute garbage. Battery life might be worse? So you don't know if it's going to be worse, you're just saying possibilities? Don't just say things you don't know, because that's idiotic Zune was a fail, but not a bad product by any means. Lastly, I work at RadioShack, and people buy bluetooth keyboards and add on keyboards all day long at my store. Do you eat your steak with your hands? No, you use a fork because it's easier. Try typing this article on your iPad without an add on keyboard, see if you don't start craving a keyboard after about the fifth sentence. Microsoft may not be winning in the tablet and phone category, but they're winning in others. (Microsoft Office, PC operating systems, Xbox, etc.) Microsoft has the money and resiliency to be good at anything they choose to. Windows 8, the power of three, Xbox, PC/Tablet, and Phones.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4ffa0c33ecad040c6600000aapplezombiehaterSun, 08 Jul 2012 18:39:47 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4ffa0c33ecad040c6600000a
ironic that Microsoft is now the underdog and the 'alternative' for consumers. fact is, apple has a vested interest in not matching the surface's dual function as work laptop and tablet. what would become of its regular laptop line if it were to incorporate word flawlessly into the ipad? microsoft, a software maker, has nothing to lose with this hardware pitch, and everything to gainhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/4ff8fb7cecad048b78000010jconstant65Sat, 07 Jul 2012 23:16:12 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4ff8fb7cecad048b78000010
Your premise is flawed. You are consumer centric. Yes, the Win8RT version is designed for the consumers, but that's the door opener. Microsoft 's bread and butter for Windows doesn't come from consumers. IT'S BUSINESS. The IPAD was set to make huge in roads into big business. This announcement is a warning shot across the bow. Microsoft is set to defend it's core customers. The Intel version is set to win over IPAD in the business setting. Will it have lower battery life - probably, but I'm sure it will be better than laptops. Businesses are looking to tablets and this could (repeat could) be the defacto standard. IPADs will gain market share, but with a decent price, decent specs, this will ensure the IPAD isn't the default choice, and turn it back to Windows. Billions in the business world vs millions in the Consumer world. I think they'll win.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4ff43bd9eab8ea9a6a000003Paul S Wed, 04 Jul 2012 08:49:29 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4ff43bd9eab8ea9a6a000003
Apple would never put to market such a poorly thought out, poorly designed computer. iPads sell in the millions because they are a new category of device that people actually love using. Somehow I think the Surface will be a massive fail... Consigned to the rubbish heap of history. Just like the 'ground breaking' dirt coloured Zune!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec688e6bb3f7480e00000cpr0phecyThu, 28 Jun 2012 10:22:06 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fec688e6bb3f7480e00000c
WFT, can I flag this article as offensive? Hahahah OMG, this 'journalist 'guy reeeaally hates Microsoft! Surface is gonna hurt you my friend....really hurt you baddd. Just you wait and see. You're gonna cry in fetus position under the shower eating Oreo's which you personally shaped as apples. Does businessinsider know they have a fanboy-reporter?! Guess you were bullied in school huh...
Please please do mankind a favor and STOP writing biased articles...or anything for that matter...please...stop it.....http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe8bd9c69bedd1c2200001fJamesMon, 25 Jun 2012 15:35:56 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe8bd9c69bedd1c2200001f
You're thinking of Apple.
Here, a picture to help you out:
<a href="http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6080yG3Dw1r2z27ho1_1280.jpg" target="_blank">http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6080yG3Dw1r2z27ho1_1280.jpg</a>http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe8b122ecad04f71b000012JamesMon, 25 Jun 2012 14:42:42 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe8b122ecad04f71b000012
All one has to do is replace all instances of Microsoft with "Company", all instances of Surface with "product which hasn't even come out yet, nor had a price definitively set", and all instances of Apple and their products with "Competitor" and "Current market alternative" to see how much substance this "article" truly has...
Obvious fan-boy is obvious.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe89f8b6bb3f7b026000009timothyericMon, 25 Jun 2012 13:27:39 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe89f8b6bb3f7b026000009
"Apple deliberately spent a lot of time and effort making something that couldn't be easily replicated"
...err... you mean they deliberately spent a lot of time replicating something that couldn't be easily made - on their own. Branding; re-packaging; marketing are the keys to Apple's success.
Best,
Galaxy Nexus, PC, and Apple userhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe8713cecad047a28000001MattMon, 25 Jun 2012 10:10:04 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe8713cecad047a28000001
It has a kickstand?!?!?!?! Well then I don't want it!!!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe871086bb3f78d4c00001cBitch STFUMon, 25 Jun 2012 10:09:12 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe871086bb3f78d4c00001c
What mind you mean the one that apple likes to control? Show something shiny and attract customers ? Just say think different and show features that have existed like their creations eg-Facetimehttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe86fa2eab8ea8a0c000009MyOpinionMon, 25 Jun 2012 10:03:14 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe86fa2eab8ea8a0c000009
Right I made a mistake of reading your blog. I will never ever do this again! You suck Apple's Dick that's it you don't appreciate technology you think tech is just apple! Well go to Japan,china etc and find out how advanced they are without Apple Products!
This is a biased, not well researched post from a Apple cock sucker
I'm a PC but I like Apple no hate but I hate this Blog, unbelievably biased you might want to check what others think of you through the thumbs down you gethttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe84b45eab8eab53d000008Laurent NorridgeMon, 25 Jun 2012 07:28:05 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe84b45eab8eab53d000008
Hmm, it's a prototype product running a beta OS..but you KNOW it will suck
Some friend of the mother of an ex girlfriend of a guy that works at google and that has heard in a bar it would cost 600$ and you KNOW it will cost 600$
Get facts before you post an article. We dont need more of those gossipshttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe7edc7eab8ea457a000006JVega079Mon, 25 Jun 2012 00:49:11 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe7edc7eab8ea457a000006
Agreed, but really these type of arguments are beyond Jay Yarow's intellectual capabilities. I don't expect a reply and you shouldn't either.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe7ed1169bedd923e000005JVega079Mon, 25 Jun 2012 00:46:09 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe7ed1169bedd923e000005
How about you show us where MS announced the price of the Surface. At least other journalists are shrewd enough to discern facts from rumors. To be honest though we can tell you aren't very sharp so no surprises there.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe7d0c5eab8ea5f37000006romanramaSun, 24 Jun 2012 22:45:25 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe7d0c5eab8ea5f37000006
@Tim Woods NO x86 WINDOWS APPLICATIONS WILL RUN ON THE SURFACE RT. NOT. A. SINGLE. ONE.
I'll be fun to see people buying the RT it with the assumption that it'll install and run any software they already own on their current Windows PC.... they will learn the hard way that that's not the case.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe6a1bd6bb3f7c60600003fАндрей ТарановSun, 24 Jun 2012 01:12:29 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe6a1bd6bb3f7c60600003f
(It is this deliberate muddling of capabilities that will doom the surface.) Elaborate this for me.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe68b53eab8ea010900001dCharlie L.Sat, 23 Jun 2012 23:36:51 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe68b53eab8ea010900001d
The end point for all tablets is to become laptops in tablet form.
I would easily pay $100 more to get that functionality.
The minor reasons are not worth arguing.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe687ee6bb3f7a55a000011Invetrics DotCcomSat, 23 Jun 2012 23:22:22 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe687ee6bb3f7a55a000011
Invetrics predicts $MSFT Surface Windows 8 Pro tablet will be the winner in the tablet wars. You heard it here first. tinyurl.com/7u7u7tghttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe6720eecad04020f00000cDavidSSat, 23 Jun 2012 21:49:02 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe6720eecad04020f00000c
What? There are LOTS of people out there that change their own battery for their car. In fact LOTS of people change their own Oil, Air Filters, and other CONSUMABLE parts.
Batteries have a life span and dependent on how you use your device can have a shorter life than expected. Apple will replace your battery with its built in one year warranty Plus shipping and handling (meaning that you have to ship your device off for at least a couple of days).So now whatever your device: iPod, iPad, or iPhone (all have built in batteries), you are without it. I prefer a device like my Windows Phone 7 (Mind you Droids, Blackberries, and and even non-smartphones that let you change their batteries) where I can replace my own battery "IF" I need to.
And if the iPhone's battery is "too hard" or "too dangerous" to replace, what were they thinking?
To dangerous? Then by God make it safe....
To hard? The iPhone is supposed to be easy, right?
Nevermind, this will probably fall on deaf ears anyways...http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe663706bb3f7fe1f00001bjoeythejetSat, 23 Jun 2012 20:46:40 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe663706bb3f7fe1f00001b
Microsoft was born a dork and is still a dork! Nuf Saidhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe66105eab8ea833b000005symbolsetSat, 23 Jun 2012 20:36:21 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe66105eab8ea833b000005
It is this deliberate muddling of capabilities that will doom the surface. You guys just can't help yourselves. You will confuse the customers, and they will feel misled. They will tell their friends. The end.
Implied in this is your own lack of faith in the product as it is. Thus it is that you feel the need to describe it as more than it is. The thing looks pretty neat so far, but that won't matter.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe648506bb3f77d6d000019AlexanderSat, 23 Jun 2012 18:50:56 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe648506bb3f77d6d000019
Do you buy cars? Why? They don't let you change your own battery, either. If you're like 99% of car owners, you'll have to take it somwhere to be serviced because for technical reasons, it is too dangerous or too hard for the average person to change it. The same applies to the iPhone's battery.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe6119feab8ea101a000005CorySat, 23 Jun 2012 14:57:35 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe6119feab8ea101a000005
Karl,...i thought i was being polite..:)http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe603af6bb3f7a67900000fkimbosliceSat, 23 Jun 2012 13:58:07 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe603af6bb3f7a67900000f
The microsoft fanboys are out. The fact that windows is a copy and microsoft has never been an innovator seems lost on these guys. I guess they grew up playing with excel (bought by microsoft) on their windows XP (copy of Mac OS9) and saw some powerpoints (ran on mac, bought by microsoft) in college.
Microsoft has a slowly dimming future. If you actually have shucked out hundreds of dollars for your own copy of Office, you are probably nuts. Google, openoffice, etc. are slowly dissolving microsoft's cash cow.
Windows sucks, I would take the laptops and put Ubuntu linux on them and they rocked. That's what they have on their desks at Google by the way.
Windows phones? Nobody buys them. Windows tablets? Why bother?
Ask someone who has looked at marketing. There is snob appeal, sex appeal, and technological appeal.
Snob appeal=Louis Vuitton, Sex appeal=Ferrari, Tech appeal=BMW. Apple has ALL 3 and Microsoft equipment has NONE.
You will NEVER see one of these lame "zunepads" in business class on any flight. Forget about it.
That tablet is dead in the water, but they keep trying, so I give them some credit for persistence, futile as it is.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe601e46bb3f78e75000015NetspiritSat, 23 Jun 2012 13:50:28 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe601e46bb3f78e75000015
It has USB ports. You can stick in a 3G adapter if you really need it.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe5f83fecad04273c000008MarxSat, 23 Jun 2012 13:09:19 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe5f83fecad04273c000008
I think this will be great for students... not having to carry around a big clunky laptop case, or awkwardly type on a laptop.... or try and get by with an iPad/Android tablet... Microsoft is trying to come up with a new all-in-one.... that's always been microsoft's strategy... make something that can do everything better than their competition... they've just been having trouble with that lately because of old buggy code and poor hardware... if you look at the Zune HD for instance... when it came out it had better hardware than the iPod, but it got no software support and was poorly coded for... if Microsoft focuses more on making a product that is actually faster and has more versatility, while still being efficient, rather than making a product that has better stats on paper, this could be a big hit.... they'll have to advertise it well though... if they do those, they could almost sell it for anything they want and people will buy it... they've just got get a BS wow factor going on...http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe5e87269beddb61800000fChris KnightSat, 23 Jun 2012 12:01:54 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe5e87269beddb61800000f
I'm a developer and I think it's super cool! I will definitely get one (the Pro version) the keyboard cover is Genius! Best thing to come out of Microsoft since Windows, the XBox and Kinect, now if Microsoft can manufacture their own mobile phone handsets.. Gravy. I believe this will be a run away success for Microsoft despite what the naysayers are saying. Technically it's what you want for both intensive work and the easy touch-and-go ability a tablet offers. 10 years later Microsoft finally gets the Tablet PC they invented right. Kudos. I take no sides. Only the best Technology.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe5e81c6bb3f7ca4c000006sarah palinSat, 23 Jun 2012 12:00:28 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe5e81c6bb3f7ca4c000006
It crashed on debut and reporters were not able to touch it when it was turned on...http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe5d84aeab8ea951b00001drav3451Sat, 23 Jun 2012 10:52:58 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe5d84aeab8ea951b00001d
@Yarow.. Pathetic reporting and a Pathetic attempt again at tarnishing Microsoft's Image, Ive seen almost all your articles here on BI and they have 1 thing in common. Hate towards Microsoft. Maybe its because they did not invite you to the launch event, hardly surprising since anyone who reports like you would hardly qualify as a reporter. Learn to appreciate a Quality product when you see one or you can just shut up and go play with your now outdated ipad3.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe5d75e69bedd1069000015rav3451Sat, 23 Jun 2012 10:49:02 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe5d75e69bedd1069000015
More MS baiting from Mr.Yarow. Pathetic Reporting from what Ive seen from all your Articles on BI. You seem to draw conclusion's from rumours on the Internet. I am not surprised about the fact since, any reporter who is so biased and seems to draw conclusion from baseless stuff, would never have been invited to the Launch event in LA by Microsoft. All most all reporters who were there at the Launch event have very good impression about the Surface. Why dont go play with your now outdated i-Pad3http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe5c73d6bb3f7b613000009dmyrlinSat, 23 Jun 2012 09:40:13 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe5c73d6bb3f7b613000009
This is the most uninformative, uneducated, ridiculous technological article I believe I have ever read. It's offers no educational value, no facts, no specification.
What is inferior? Processor? Compatibility? It's "hipness and coolness?"
You are speculating what you feel it is supposed to do and missed the mark with no shame. Samsung is pumping out quad core phones, Microsoft is releasing a "tablet" that is fully functional with true desktop software, and fan boys are shaking in their vintage leather boots because they have to wait until September/October to see what the almighty apple has to offer. I challenge any reader to quote a single fact in this article other than "Microsoft is selling it at its stores" and "it has a kickstand."http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe58f44eab8eacd0400000fFrancescaSat, 23 Jun 2012 05:41:24 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe58f44eab8eacd0400000f
Because Jay is a dick sucker, that's why. Always praising Apple and shutting down Google and Microsoft nor others. He get paid in order to bend down.
There are several articles where Jay said stuff like in this article, and now they are BOOM but a lil of them are never heard anymore.
All I can say is that Jay just a person is to judge on something before he try out to get massive attention on BI like now.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe58c8a69beddd24800000eColin CSat, 23 Jun 2012 05:29:46 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe58c8a69beddd24800000e
I have an iPad but find it too limiting......the Surface device looks very interesting and there is a market for it but they need to generate some noise about it. Apple have created a ton of hype which leads people to purchase without understanding how limiting the iPad (or iPhone) actually are. Personally I feel Microsoft have come of age again and are joining up lots of dots for consumers with their Cloud services vision. I would never write these guys off and the market believes they are onto something good based on their share price growth over the past few months.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe58a72ecad04157c000006ldipettaSat, 23 Jun 2012 05:20:50 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe58a72ecad04157c000006
Although I have no desire to purchase an I-product (just can’t support a company that won't let you change your own battery), the lack of Ethernet connectivity is a curious omission, consistent with the previous abysmal MS forays into consumer electronics. Anyone that has ever dealt with a MS product knows that the operating system/MS Office updates etc. are an ongoing requirement and also virus program updates are regularly required to be effective. WiFi only access only complicates the process and wastes time at little cost savings and great sacrifice of product utility.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe57c90eab8eaff62000013popoSat, 23 Jun 2012 04:21:36 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe57c90eab8eaff62000013
I'm confused why they have a fat, bald Yeti promoting the product.
Who cares if that oaf has the most shares. This is business. You either understand your corporate image or you do not. Putting that unintelligent ape front-and-center in a product launch is indicative of a whole host of corporate problems, and shows that wealth and power are the most important parts of their decision tree (not creating the best product).http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe57b776bb3f75a0b000012john0ppSat, 23 Jun 2012 04:16:55 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe57b776bb3f75a0b000012
Surface Will Fail.
What a waste of alphabets. Of Course it will. Who In their right mind would want to buy hardware designed and made by Microsoft? Have you not heard the joke about how cars would be if Microsoft made them?
"Sorry, this copy of Microsoft Car has expired. Please purchase a new licence to continue to drive to work"
"Sorry, your Microsoft Car have just crashed. Please try to reboot the engine. If that fails, you may try reinstalling the engine. Otherwise, email Microsoft or visit the forums for more information"
"EULA: Microsoft is not liable if your Microsoft Car fails to deliver you to work on time, to the hospital, to the mall or any other important destination"
"The Microsoft Car has detected that you are using an unapproved right front tire. The Microsoft Car will not start until this is replaced with a Microsoft approved tire"
"The Microsoft Car has detected 3 passengers in the car. You have the home version which only allows 2 passengers. The car will not start until one passenger is ejected"
"Your Microsoft Car has a virus and cannot start until it is removed. Then, it still may not start. We recommend you buy the upgraded new Microsoft Car"
No one in their right mind will buy Microsoft hardware.
Nuff said.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe56d9eeab8ea8d3a000045MavenSat, 23 Jun 2012 03:17:50 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe56d9eeab8ea8d3a000045
Oops...http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe565d96bb3f72168000001LoginwithfacebookSat, 23 Jun 2012 02:44:41 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe565d96bb3f72168000001
Xbox is a failure in the making.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe565abeab8eabc2e00000bLoginwithfacebookSat, 23 Jun 2012 02:43:55 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe565abeab8eabc2e00000b
Everything Microsoft does is a copy of something somebody else does, but they "try" to make it better, but it always ends up sucking even worse. I am so sick of this company.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe557b0eab8ea621000000emandroxSat, 23 Jun 2012 01:44:16 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe557b0eab8ea621000000e
the only thing I've notice since Monday, is a growing flurry of iPaddle commercials. when you are paranoid, you have to keep the CULT inline. If I remember correctly, Cook was conditioning the minds of cult members, shortly before Monday, that hybrids won't work. So it seems to me the apple mindcrafters, marketing group, should be the big salary makers. -- Goebbels is smiling from hell.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe54ea6eab8ea810b000001Jack StraussSat, 23 Jun 2012 01:05:42 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe54ea6eab8ea810b000001
There is only one tablet at the moment that is worth buying. And that's the elusive Transformer Prime. The iPad is fine as a consumption device - if you are okay with accepting a crippled, but successful iOS. But there are only so many people with disposable income that would buy an additive device. The vast majority of users need to be able to create documents, media, presentations etc. And for them, an ultrabook or a laptop with a real keyboard is a necessity. I'll bet that not a single person who talks about a bluetooth keyboard has tried the Transformer Prime. I had an iPad and a BT keyboard and while you can make do with it, it's an awkward and unsatisfying experience. I dumped it as soon as the Transformer with the keyboard dock came out. This is what I expected Apple to create not Asus.
What Asus lacks is brand recognition, money and muscle and Office. I have no idea whether the Windows 8 tablet will take off or not. But if they execute well, they have the potential to do to the iPad what Android phones did to the iPhone. And they will do it much faster too! It's Microsoft's market to lose.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe548aa6bb3f7633100000ajunk scienceSat, 23 Jun 2012 00:40:10 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe548aa6bb3f7633100000a
this is true. no one in corporate IT wants to bother teaching the stupid idioms of w8
BUT jay, osx is also going the hybrid-surprise route. i.e. osx scrolling magically inverting to match iOS gestures.
in the end, only ubuntunwill cater to desktop power users. imagine thathttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe547b169bedd0f32000014junk scienceSat, 23 Jun 2012 00:36:01 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe547b169bedd0f32000014
1 billion windows users know what the c drive is. lack of FS access in iOS apps is endlessly frustrating for manyhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe546f16bb3f7642b000013junk scienceSat, 23 Jun 2012 00:32:49 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe546f16bb3f7642b000013
it will sell, but only at a steep discount. $299 is where i see this device heading. it won't sell in volume at $600http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe54618eab8eae076000009SiddharthSat, 23 Jun 2012 00:29:12 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe54618eab8eae076000009
Jay, If you have a substantive argument to make about why the Surface will not be a success, we all would love to hear it. Till then, refrain from passing judgement about the future of a company. The points you are making are all conjectures, nothing else.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe53b3969bedda00e000025TrumanFri, 22 Jun 2012 23:42:49 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe53b3969bedda00e000025
This article seems like the resurgitation of a dream the writer had. It uses information to justify his opinion that is incorrect or made up. What a crappy piece of work from a senior editor....http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe53a4f6bb3f7ea1c000002Андрей ТарановFri, 22 Jun 2012 23:38:55 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe53a4f6bb3f7ea1c000002
The surface will run Million plus apps. Million Plus games, More than a billion plus potential customers. All of Enterprise, all commercial, all industrial company's will choose a Surface or some other Windows 8 Tablet. None will adopt an iPad except you and the heard of little baby sheep.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe53973eab8ea155f000001xFri, 22 Jun 2012 23:35:15 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe53973eab8ea155f000001
The demo was a total failure. Internet Exploder hanging entire system just indicates what metro apps can do to your super stable Windows 8:-P.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe5391869beddde1500000axFri, 22 Jun 2012 23:33:44 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe5391869beddde1500000a
1. You won't be able to run Windows 8 apps on this $700 tablet - the tablet is ARM, and existing Windows apps are all x86/x64.
2 "Windows 8 even runs windows 7 phone apps" - where did you get this from?
3. The keyboard is not built-in, it's optional extra cost keyboard cover. Clever idea, but nevertheless it's not built-in.
4. Security and compatibility with Exchange server. Arguably yes, but on iPad you can talk to Exchange just fine, so no really strong benefit here.
5. Compatible with Xbox - whatever.
6. Access to Barnes and Noble - iPad has access to B&N content, just install an app. What's your point?
7. CPU multi core power - iPad is dual core. So what?
Compare this tablet to iPad's retina display and guess who's winner here.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe533c569bedd870b000008John MoodyFri, 22 Jun 2012 23:11:01 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe533c569bedd870b000008
They arent trying to duplicate Apple........... fanboys should at least try not to seem like fanboys. It would make you seem less childish.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe53269eab8ea2e45000010John MoodyFri, 22 Jun 2012 23:05:13 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe53269eab8ea2e45000010
LOL Keep in mind the author of this article is an Apple fanboy. read his other atricles by clicking his name. at the top. Not to mention his college has nothing to do with predicting the future. He also wrote an article claiming Facebook IPO was a BUY!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL This article is porbably worth less than the space it takes on the server hosting it. Favebook a buy at 40? LOL sad.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe5300b69bedd8f75000015old indieFri, 22 Jun 2012 22:55:07 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe5300b69bedd8f75000015
No offense intended. I think open source and linux is great. But, we are talking about consumer/business products for the person who doesn't want to know what a file system is.
Apple builds stuff that works out of the box. MS creates nightmares. Corporate computing loves MS because they lock down the system. If uses had any options, corporate computing would collapse under the weight of bugs, patches, and incompatibilities.
I do not own a pad, but found the iPad to be extraordinary in its design and implementation. It simply works. I find it impossible to believe that MS can build something that will beat Apple in the consumer space. Of course, I could be wrong. But, when I watch the Balmer presentation, I do not think I am. And, when I saw the newest Microsoft TV commercial, I KNOW that I am right.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe52d2aecad047d58000002old indieFri, 22 Jun 2012 22:42:50 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe52d2aecad047d58000002
What was shown that is 'potentially excellent'? Non-tactile keyboard, me-too design, no apps except hacked Windows desktop ones, no price, no cell connection, etc.
If you want to command all your employees to trash every site imaginable if they do not like something MS, you can at least give them something to say.
The latest MS TV commercial should have sent anyone who every aspired to support Microsoft into a bar to get stinking drunk.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe52c06eab8eaf538000013AdamMKEFri, 22 Jun 2012 22:37:58 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe52c06eab8eaf538000013
I'll say this, the Surface is the first Microsoft product EVER that I've actually been interested in. Everything purchased from Microsoft to this point has been done so out of "necessity".http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe52bd06bb3f7d97e000009old indieFri, 22 Jun 2012 22:37:04 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe52bd06bb3f7d97e000009
Well, look at the signs.
Nothing but abject failure in the consumer space. Some success in Gaming, but that is a dying market.
Nothing innovative in the desktop.....ever
Awful marketing. Have you watched their latest commercial?
President is terrible on stage, cannot articulate WHY someone would want this (or any recent) product.
Stock is flat, has been for a long time.
Successful? In the same vain that Cisco is. Enterprise and backend stuff. Good market.
But, like Cisco, they mistake themselves for a consumer company. Difference is that Cisco learned its lesson. Microsoft just keeps on getting thumped by Apple.
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over.... and expecting different results.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe528a56bb3f7b37800000fLipstick on PigFri, 22 Jun 2012 22:23:33 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe528a56bb3f7b37800000f
Thanks for the grammer lesson! What kind of name is Jonjon? Sounds like you mine assholes for goldhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe521c469bedd1e5c00001aCecFri, 22 Jun 2012 21:54:12 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe521c469bedd1e5c00001a
Thanks for the prediction, Nostradamus. What's a flop to you, by the way? If it's "not absolutely destroying iPad sales", then sure, it'll be an absolute flop. At the risk of falling for a troll trap, I'll suffer through typing this reply on this iPad. Keep in mind I'm talking about the Surface with Windows 8, not RT; that one is a toy.
Here's my prediction: it will sell moderately well. It'll establish a good image for Microsoft in the eyes of consumers... Eventually when its utility becomes apparent (give or take a year or two), its sales will increase exponentially.
What you don't understand is that the duality of the OS (and the advantage taken by the hardware) is what's a compelling argument for the Surface as an alternative to the iPad AND an Ultrabook. It's a tablet; it's a PC. When you're on the go, or in front of the couch, or anywhere not on a desk, you're using it just like you would use an iPad. When you're at your desk with your dual monitor setup and keyboard and mouse, you're using it as a PC.
When you're on the go and absolutely MUST write that lengthy email, edit that spreadsheet, write that document, write that snippet of code before you forget it, you use the attached cover keyboard.
One device that covers most of your usage scenarios as opposed to having to use both an iPad and a MacBook Air/Ultrabook.
You may refuse to believe in its execution, but you have to be delusional to think that this vision isn't compelling.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe51c71eab8ea1021000006ss123Fri, 22 Jun 2012 21:31:29 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe51c71eab8ea1021000006
These Surfaces seem to be 1000x more useful than an iPad (in its current state).
Not sure why it would flop.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe51c0669bedd454c00000abcFri, 22 Jun 2012 21:29:42 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe51c0669bedd454c00000a
Yes, as someone said above or implied ... I think they should have called it 'The Office' ... whoops name taken ... but then it would have focused on what MS does best ... their own software AND it would then be construed by their vendors as a narrower more focused effort at just pushing Office and not trying to compete with them. Another thing is that it is very difficult to believe in MS branded hardware (I know Xbox exists) when a corporation's real purpose is selling software (maybe they should just change their name to Micro). Their hardware presentations are just so painful to watch and to believe in ... it's like: please buy the hardware so that you will be able to run Office. If they would just come out and say this is an Office tablet ... then that would be more honest.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe51872eab8ea391c000001AlecaldiFri, 22 Jun 2012 21:14:26 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe51872eab8ea391c000001
OK, No offense taken. I said I follow Open Source, not that a Stallman's Taliban. In fact, Open Source software runs on something, and it's most of the time Pcs, which would have gone nowhere without MS constant plgu and play push.
About the three weeks you need to configure Linux.... come on! it's like bashing Apple for the Newton or complaining about how difficult is to configure DOS. It just doesn't happen anymore. I'm not blaming you for declaring it, It just Linux doesn't get commercial or big "events" presenting minor upgrades branded as "revolucionary products", thus no one knows nothing about it.
I wish the best to Surface. in fact, seems impressive from hardware specs (maybe a bit too expensive for what tablets are (YES: Ipad is also expensive for what a tablet is and can do)) and I would love to have one with Intel micro inside and running Windows 8 along some Linux distro in it.
It won't be and Ipad killer and any major player that thinks it will debunk Apple from that position in the next ten years is bananas. But that's another story.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe51171ecad046d2700000bold IndieFri, 22 Jun 2012 20:44:33 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe51171ecad046d2700000b
Is anyone here willing to bet there will be a line of people around the block for two days before the Surface is released? Will here be thousands of developers lined up to sell Surface -specific apps? After the MS phone fiasco?
How long before it hits Woot! close out website? WIll it beat Zune's record?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe5106becad048027000002old IndieFri, 22 Jun 2012 20:40:11 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe5106becad048027000002
Not a chance it will succeed.
Hell, Microsoft cannot even get a TV commercial done right.
Has anyone seen there latest, with the guy and his weird hair?
Too many Acid heads in Redmond.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe50e886bb3f7ac49000008old IndieFri, 22 Jun 2012 20:32:08 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe50e886bb3f7ac49000008
This article isn't for Linux hackers. They don't need to read marketing fluff, they just go to Frys or some Chinese website and buy a pile of hardware. Then spend 3 weeks configuring free Linux code and come up with something only a mother could love. Good for them, innovate to your hearts content. MS, Apple, Google, etc. have shareholders and need to create innovative products that sell in the 10s of millions, and that generate buzz that cannot be bought. The customers for Apple pay a premium because it works. Maybe Surface will work, but given the recent history of Microsoft, it is NOT a good bet.
Visit one of the major malls with a Microsoft, Sony, and Apple store. Which store is packed? Where are people walking out with bags of goods? No Microsoft, not Sony. Hell, the Sony stores don't even have the stuff turned on!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe50d0069bedd6c30000006old IndieFri, 22 Jun 2012 20:25:36 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe50d0069bedd6c30000006
What is the 'unsatisfied market'? Tablets with keyboards lacking tactile feedback? Tablets that run Office?
There IS no market, beyond that of the posters to this story, for a pad that runs windows something, needs 500G drives, and runs office apps. That is what the ultra books do.
The fact that Microsoft is SO far behind the curve is what these discussions should be about. They have missed market after market, and live because of enterprise apps/tools. OK, so they get $5 for every crappy HP or Dell box sold.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe50b9369bedd9932000003old IndieFri, 22 Jun 2012 20:19:31 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe50b9369bedd9932000003
Microsoft innovating? Did you ACTUALLY watch the video?
Nothing remotely innovative there. Hey, they couldn't even give a price!
Somehow, Balmer thinks this is 1991, and they will stop the entire market for pads until Surface is releases. Too bad he doesn't get out much.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe50acc69beddf027000013old IndieFri, 22 Jun 2012 20:16:12 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe50acc69beddf027000013
You aren't paying attention. If you need a hard drive, then you are not a pad/tablet user. Get an notebook or an ultra book.
For those who dislike 'closed' boxes, so buy a cheap pad off of Woot!, figure out how to run Linux on it, hot glue a cheap drive to the back, add a rats nest of wires, and see who is impressed.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe5073d69bedd6a250000169pointkidFri, 22 Jun 2012 20:01:01 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe5073d69bedd6a25000016
Been using Windows since 1994. All I see is a laptop physical redesign coupled with a transitional OS intended to lead users to who knows where. Does Micro$oft even understand it's market anymore? Are they thinking we are going to be running Peachtree from a touchscreen or some sally little magnetic keyboard thingy? Do I really want to run my small mom and pop grocery store on the The Surface with it's chincy little keyboard and touchscreen with no mouse?
Where have all the IBM 101 keyboards gone? What the heck were they thinking with Windows 8? I'm beginning to think that all those bald headed q balls over at Micro$soft have finally left the reservation.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe50294ecad04550a00000dJonjonFri, 22 Jun 2012 19:41:08 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe50294ecad04550a00000d
@Lipstick on Pig
It's "you're a complete ass clown" not "your a complete ass clown." You must be an ass clown to not know the difference.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe500a6eab8ea7b64000010Juara RetardinoFri, 22 Jun 2012 19:32:54 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe500a6eab8ea7b64000010
I know this is bottom-feeding link bait but I'll bite.
I'll rebut most of your key points while I drink a cup of coffee with half of my brain tied behind my back.
The premise is flawed - So your point is that everybody in the world is going to want to lug around three devices - a laptop, a tablet, and a phone? Really? Don't get me wrong, some will. I traveled recently with a PC laptop, an iPad, my phone, and a Kindel but I'm not typical. You probably aren't either. Forgetting that causes all kinds of people to think that they're the target audience when they're not. Here's the scenario that will make sense for a lot of people. They'll have one or more tablet devices that they keep around the house. They'll use them for surfing the Web while watching TV, maybe controlling the TV, light email and game playing. If they're business people or students who need a real computer, they'll have a laptop. If they're out and about a lot they'll need a laptop with them if they're doing anything other than checking email or other "light" computing tasks that they can do on their phone or a tablet. They'll also have a phone. Some percentage of those people are going NOT going to want to have three devices. I'd argue that it's a large percentage of people but that's arguable. The Surface is great for those people. I, for one, love the idea of having a laptop that can also be used as a tablet if it actually works right. I tried lugging my laptop and my iPad around with me at work and while traveling and it got old...fast. You seem to be arguing that people will always want the "best of breed" solution whatever the cost ($$ or hassle from lugging around extra devices). I think there is a non-trivial number of people who will see things differently. Whether they'll end up using Microsoft's Surface is another question. There will probably be 30-40 tablets running Windows 8 by the end of this year so people will have lots of choices depending on what they want. Believe it or not, not everybody wants a MacBook, and iPad and an iPhone.
One other important thing that you and others have failed to note. There is at least one big difference between the Surface tablets and the iPad or various Android devices: they run Office. Most of the world uses Office. That's a big deal. Even the Windows RT version will have a version of Office that people can use with an actual keyboard. That makes comparing the Windows RT tablet to an iPad a bit of an apples to oranges thing. Think about it.
It will start at $600. Really? Which one? The Windows RT version or the Intel version? How do you know? I haven't seen the announcement yet. Please post a link. I'm guessing that you're parroting a rumor and are speculating that the Windows RT/ARM tablet will be $600. Maybe. But I think I heard Microsoft say that the Surface products will be competitive with alternatives out in the marketplace. I could be wrong but my guess is that charging $200 more than an iPad isn't what they're thinking when they say competitive.
Regarding your latter points...
- I think Microsoft said they'd sell it online as well. That will help some. I don't think they've said they WON'T sell it in other retail locations.
- You're assuming that Microsoft's goal is to put the Windows OEMs out of business. I don't think that's the case. Microsoft will probably be happy as clams if they sell a respectable number of Surface devices in a year...what's respectable? I don't really know but I doubt they think they need to sell 20 million to be successful. They want a good device out there to show how good Windows 8 can be but know that the OEM's will provide many other choices and lots of customers will choose other OEM devices. Either way Microsoft is happy.
- What's wrong with a kickstand? Really. Heck, my iPad case has a sort of kick-stand set-up because iPad doesn't. From the photos I've seen the kick stand on the Surface is 100% non-obtrusive so at a minimum it's irrelevant. For many people it may be useful.
- Consumers don't think Microsoft is cool, hip etc.? Who gives a flying fuck. Really. I'm sure they'd like to have a hipper brand but, believe it or not, computing devices are not fashion accessories for everyone. You should get out of SFO or NYC more often. Besides, from what I've seen, the Surface hardware looks pretty nice. Another reality check for you: believe it or not, not everyone ties their self-worth up in the number of Apple products they use. Some people may not actually think the iPad is the most beautiful thing since Marilyn Monroe. Some people might actually like alternative choices.
- The Zune what? The Zune was a commercial failure but a very very well designed product. It won awards from groups that don't like Microsoft. Have you ever touched one? Probably not.
- The keyboard - I'm not sure you're right that the biggest selling point is that it has a keyboard. As I noted above, having a device that can actually be used for productivity is going to appeal to some people who don't want to carry abound a laptop, an iPad and a phone. From what I've seen, the keyboard for the Surface looks pretty cool. You might want to read the TechRadar hands on from today. They discuss the keyboard quite a bit and seem to think it works pretty well.
Your last point--that if Microsoft can't sell lots of tablets then OEM's won't either is...what's the word? Dumb. Let me explain it to you. I don't know the exact number but I think that about 300 million PCs were sold last year. Even pessimistic analysts project that PC sales will grow or remain steady. That means that Microsoft will probably sell more than 200 million Windows licenses next year. Yes, some will be for Windows 7 but a very large number will be Windows 8. There's no way that OEMs are going to just close up shop and give Apple the rest of the computer market. Windows 8 will certainly be sold on a variety of form factors other than "pure" tablets but the vast majority will be sold with touch screens and will, at least some of the time, be used like tablets. I will personally bet $1 that by the end of CY13, sales of Windows 8 devices will be larger than sales of iPads. Want to take me up on it?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4fb0e69bedde20d000007the1whowaitsFri, 22 Jun 2012 19:09:02 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4fb0e69bedde20d000007
My 3 yr old daughter uses a nook color , that thing gets locked more than a liquor cabinet at the aa meeting and it's unresponsive as a 400 lb man after a box of doughnuts, thank you, I'll be here all week but seriously folks I use an Asus eee slate running windows 7 and run real business apps and I love it.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4fad16bb3f7ae28000005Swati SinghFri, 22 Jun 2012 19:08:01 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4fad16bb3f7ae28000005
There are many other reasons besides business. Microsoft Surface is a flawed idea. Its OS is basic problem. It is not secure enough and one has to look at its patch delivery schedule almost daily. It is costlier than other better products. Search on google "Microsoft Surface Tablet Is Not Impressive, Reasons For Not Buying It" you will get the link of thedirectnews.com Check what it says.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4f5866bb3f7382400000ebcFri, 22 Jun 2012 18:45:26 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4f5866bb3f7382400000e
Funny video mash-up ... they seem to be trying to be like Steve Jobs clones. Although Apple has the upper hand things could change, but I don't know if it isn't a little premature to try to challenge the iPad at this point ... it has such momentum. I think the strong point of the Slate will be that it is built for writing with Office, as compared to the iPad being the premier all around 'large' format app device. Maybe you could see the Slate as a substitute for the ultra thin laptops ... could that be the goal. Maybe they want to challenge the MacBook Air and not the iPad?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4f36369beddb67e000003DepressionFri, 22 Jun 2012 18:36:19 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4f36369beddb67e000003
WHAT HAVE YOU DONE JAY YAROW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FLAME WAR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4f27cecad042a74000003Mark out WestFri, 22 Jun 2012 18:32:28 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4f27cecad042a74000003
I think it's dawning on all the Apple fanboi's there's a substantial enterprise market ripe for the picking. Now there's an alternative to iPad and BYOD. CIOs can issue their employees Surfaces, let them do their personal stuff on it and still lock down and secure the enterprise side, all in one package.
And it's got a stylus! Is there hope for a resurgence of handwriting recognition ala 6.5?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4f1a169bedd487c000001ChristieFri, 22 Jun 2012 18:28:49 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4f1a169bedd487c000001
Wow, where's your integrity, Jay? Your colleague Steve Kovach managed to write an article in fewer words that provided more insight and more information than yours did, and with some substance to boot (albeit relayed from TechRadar) - isn't that what you were looking for?
<a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-surface-reviewed-by-tech-radar-2012-6" target="_blank">http://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-surface-reviewed-by-tech-radar-2012-6</a>
If you can't get over yourself long enough to read the TechRadar review, or even Steve's summary - it's largely positive.
Your reluctance to shell out $600 for a product that, in your mind, can't compete with the iPad, is marginally justified but as you say the Surface is trying to be two things; so why would I want to spend $500 on an iPad and another $1100 on a MBA or high-end ultrabook or $2k for a MacBook when I can spend $600-$800 for ONE (potentially) excellent device (and may another $200 for a decent monitor) and call it a day?
If you took the branding away and ignored your evident bias toward the Cupertino gang, would you still feel the same way about a product that offered the versatility/casual form factor of a table tor other touch device and the productivity of a laptop? Or the ability to use legacy software on the fly, without needing a mobile connection or having to rely on Citrix or other cloud-based emulation programs? If you were a college student who wasn't a trust fund baby and wasn't swayed by branding, would you brush this off as an impractical failure? If you were a college student who wasn't a trust fund baby and wasn't swayed by branding, would you brush this off as an impractical failure?
I guess if I got paid to write meritless yellow journalism for a tech blog I'd bathe myself in Apple cologne, too.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4f0ebeab8ea0a4700000dDMGFri, 22 Jun 2012 18:25:47 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4f0ebeab8ea0a4700000d
"And, more likely, never."
Really Jay? NEVER???
You do realize that's a pretty long time don't you?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4ef526bb3f7fe1b000003simFri, 22 Jun 2012 18:18:58 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4ef526bb3f7fe1b000003
" it has a kickstand"
Worst possible reason ever.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4eb7f6bb3f7f115000002Michael B.Fri, 22 Jun 2012 18:02:39 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4eb7f6bb3f7f115000002
I don't understand why everyone keeps comparing the Surface to the iPad. It's a new class of ultrabook. Microsoft said as much when they said pricing would be competitive with ultrabooks. Yes, it can be used as a tablet, which is great. But it's really a super-compact laptop. Which means that the complaints about battery life and price and wifi compared to the iPad are off-base.
I'm a pretty die-hard Apple user, but I think the Surface looks marvelous. And I think it will cut into Apple's attempts to convince enterprises and workers to buy the iPad for work. I think it's a great idea to be able to use a device for a full-fledged work machine during the day and to come home at night and use it for a media consumption device. I say bravo to Microsoft for having the guts to make something like this.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4ea986bb3f79e0f00000cneoFightFri, 22 Jun 2012 17:58:48 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4ea986bb3f79e0f00000c
DOAhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4e9486bb3f74d0b00000djanchupFri, 22 Jun 2012 17:53:12 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4e9486bb3f74d0b00000d
Balmer is not the most photogenic guy in the world. Can he be kept out of camera range?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4e6faeab8ea9830000015AlecaldiFri, 22 Jun 2012 17:43:22 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4e6faeab8ea9830000015
Being a follower of Open Source and Linux, the least thing I'd like to do is a stand favoring a corporation as Microsoft (despite I believe the Surface, not being and IPad killer, would work fine).
...But Karl here really nails it.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4e571eab8eaba30000005GelWFri, 22 Jun 2012 17:36:49 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4e571eab8eaba30000005
Surface is a full PC, not a toy to surf the web. That's reason #1 why it will succeed.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4e40fecad045057000016ronnie raygunFri, 22 Jun 2012 17:30:55 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4e40fecad045057000016
The latest Zune is still vaporware.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4e380eab8ea6830000008Victor PolarFri, 22 Jun 2012 17:28:32 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4e380eab8ea6830000008
You guys are so arrogant. Who the hell are you to say what Microsoft is going or not going to succeed with in the future? Who the hell are you to make such statements about the future? You are arrogant cants. Do not tell Microsoft how to price their product, and do not tell Microsoft how to develop their product. With all the failures Microsoft experiences they are still going strong, and are fundamentally a successful company.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4e36469beddef5400000fJamesSBFri, 22 Jun 2012 17:28:04 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4e36469beddef5400000f
substantive argument:
Wth a USB port, a gamer can hook up a controller and play Halo 4 on their Surface. As Epic's Mark Rein tweeted, "Microsoft NAILS IT! Way to go Microsoft! Surface looks AWESOME! Can't wait to get some Unreal Engine games on those babies!"http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4e18b6bb3f7707d00000dDMGFri, 22 Jun 2012 17:20:11 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4e18b6bb3f7707d00000d
Here is one way to tell if you are in a cult. When anyone else refers to their cell phone or their tablet they just say 'cell phone' or 'tablet'. Apple owners HAVE to tell you they are using their iPhone or their iPad. It was the same with mp3 players. EVERYONE else just said 'mp3 player' Apple owners HAD to say iPod. If you prefer one product over another there is nothing wrong with that but when you NEED to announce the brand of the product you own to EVERYONE something is wrong. Do Apple owners go around saying I made toast in my 'GE Toaster' and watched TV on my 'Samsung TV' and washed my clothes in my 'Maytag washer'? Most likely not. The genius of Steve Jobs was not in designing technology but in getting people who didn't like technology to view it as a status symbol.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4e12369beddce5100001bmarcalbertsFri, 22 Jun 2012 17:18:27 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4e12369beddce5100001b
How about the substance that because of the bundle Microsoft provides, it is substantially less expensive than a similar iPad?
<a href="http://mobilitydigest.com/correct-a-599-winrt-surface-is-150-less-than-a-599-ipad/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+MobilityDigest+%28Mobility+Digest%29" target="_blank">http://mobilitydigest.com/correct-a-599-winrt-surface-is-150-less-than-a-599-ipad/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+MobilityDigest+%28Mobility+Digest%29</a>http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4e0b76bb3f7a27f000006PopoFri, 22 Jun 2012 17:16:39 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4e0b76bb3f7a27f000006
Let's be honest. Ballmer looks like a giant ape. He is quite possibly the least charismatic CEO in the tech space, Does this matter? Yes. deeply. It's indicative of a whole host of problems that Microsoft has -- namely the fact that they (as a company) are deeply incapable of self criticism. They produce endless amounts of substandard crap and they are incapable of seeing their own flaws. Ballmer is nothing less than vey definition of an "oaf", and yet for some reason, he is allowed to pitch the most important Microsoft products of the decade. Why?
Microsoft is a bad company. Their corporate culture is deeply substandard. They worship their hierarchy without question, and the result is second rate products and arrogance.
The market is going to be cruel (very cruel) to these has-beens.
What happens next will be sadly shocking to the msft drones who drink the koolaid and believe they work for a remotely competitive company. Reality is a bitch, kids.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4e00eeab8eaf423000017Concern PersonaFri, 22 Jun 2012 17:13:50 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4e00eeab8eaf423000017
@Jay Yarrow : You're funny Jay. You say "There are a couple of reasons the Surface won't be a success, but the two main points are". Do you see what's wrong with that statement? (person who makes a living writing?).
Ok - on to your 2 "main" points:
1st point is you state Surface is supposed to replace the tablet and notebook. Microsoft never said that. But assuming you're right, you further state "Trying to be two things at once will lead to the Surface being neither.". And you've based this on what exactly? Your opinion? Well seeing as you don't have a track record as being an industry thought leader, I guess my opinion is just as relevant. And my opinion is you're dead wrong and that there is a definite demand for a device that can work and play. iPad cannot.
2nd Point: "It will start at $600". Microsoft did not say this. So you just quote something from DigiTimes which is notorious for being 100% wrong on so many things. You are the very definition of someone with a pre-defined narrative. It's so transparent it's laughable. I hope you write the article stating how wrong you were once Surface has been out for a quarter and the real empirical data speaks for itself.
In the meantime - your click-bait writing is doing little to establish yourself as a serious journalist.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4dde069bedd144f00001aJamesSBFri, 22 Jun 2012 17:04:32 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4dde069bedd144f00001a
We're still waiting for you to give one...http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4da39ecad04a948000018DMGFri, 22 Jun 2012 16:48:57 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4da39ecad04a948000018
Here is my "substantive argument" Jay...you are biased!
Anytime you want to debate the objectivity of your articles about Apple products I would LOVE to. You and the rest of the Apple cult are iRritating, iRrational, and borderline iNsane with your proselytizing for iDevices. There is no reason to read your articles...everyone understands what they are going to read once they know whether you are 'reviewing' an Apple product versus ANY OTHER non-Apple product in the universe!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4d915ecad04874400002fLumpyCarpetFri, 22 Jun 2012 16:44:05 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4d915ecad04874400002f
They have no choice. Android is NOT secure and it will NEVER be secure. Apple is not for the enterprise and never will be... so what do you think these massive companies will use to support their ongoing needs? Linux?
This is why the Windows phone will do well also. It will take all BlackBerry's business and fit seemlessly with all the other MSFT enterprise products.
And its yet to be seen whether Windows 8 will be hated or not but it will function with all the software already running on Win7 or legacy system. Dont forget that.
Apple is a consumer product company.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4d844ecad048546000007CoryFri, 22 Jun 2012 16:40:36 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4d844ecad048546000007
Hey Jay,
@Jay Yarow Here is an interesting thought...why don't you wait until the product comes out....then wait an iteration....use the product for a while....then write a review....i'm just saying!...second thought Jay..you weren't the guy that wrote that the xBox will never gain market share because the Sega, Playstation and Nintendo are superior devices?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4d61decad046e42000003DanFri, 22 Jun 2012 16:31:25 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4d61decad046e42000003
Standard BI linkbait. Nothing to back it, just bullschmit.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4d5cceab8eaf111000001DAFri, 22 Jun 2012 16:30:04 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4d5cceab8eaf111000001
You know this is a refrence item for Dell and all the other OEMS right?
Microsoft knows it's not popular with the gaget market (apple consumers)
But this will be the first to market product for other hardware manufactures to perfect. How does Microsoft benefit? Well they license windows 8 to everyone, same thing they did when IBM owned the market.....Microsoft owns the enterprise, apple owns the consumer gaget market.
This is them just restablishing a new vehicle for windows 8...who cares about end user sales of windows and upgrades......its all about OEM deals.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4d55a6bb3f79c68000009bill cFri, 22 Jun 2012 16:28:10 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4d55a6bb3f79c68000009
"Yeah, I think if I bought into Apple, told my bosses, family, and friends to buy into Apple..'
you'd have some rich bosses, family, and friends by nowhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4d4adecad042e3e00000ataranisFri, 22 Jun 2012 16:25:17 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4d4adecad042e3e00000a
Well this seems to be the second or third consecutive day I come across an article where you are prognosticating the demise Microsoft's yet to-be-sold tablet, for reasons that mostly centre around a market saturation caused by Apple's domination.
Firstly, Windows 8 in my understanding, will allow for complete coding compatibility between its Mobile & PC OS, thusly making applications for mobile platform, compatible with the PC platform and vice versa,
Secondly, Microsoft is developing surface as a proprietary hardware offering, away from third party OEMs, and from the preview photos I have seen it doesn't look like a hasty job either.
So I think if Microsoft offers the product in a compelling price range, you have quite a viable alternative for the iPad, offering an OS within unified environment with an equally satisfying hardware.
Also, considering that Windows is the number one OS on a global scale, the fact that it now penetrates the tablet market with the exact same OS, will make it even more easier to acquire market share, and while it may not present a direct threat to Apple at first, I think that it will at least go for Android's user-base, if we assume that most Andoid's users are also Windows PC users.
That being said, it will all come down to MSFT's profitability margins and the price tag it will command for the tablet, and prevising it as a "flop" is as unsubstantiated as assuming that Apple will maintain its market dominance in perpetuity.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4d4a4eab8eaa70f000004KarlFri, 22 Jun 2012 16:25:08 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4d4a4eab8eaa70f000004
Jay, that doesn't make a lot of sense.
First: Windows 8 hasn't been released yet.
Second: He's talking about the corporate mobile market.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4d444ecad04323e000001NeilFri, 22 Jun 2012 16:23:32 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4d444ecad04323e000001
Your name is appropriate.
Apple would not have produced such a hideous mongrel and shown it off without price and availability info to go with it. (Who but the colorblind would buy a tablet with a baby blue or orange or pink plastic keyboard? Yuk.)
I find your accusation that Apple customers are 'hypnotized' not only insulting but just plain stupid.
95 out of 100 sheeple just like you use M$ as their main OS, and you have the gall to say that the other 5 have been somehow duped??? What idiocy.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4d3fc6bb3f77268000011Jay YarowFri, 22 Jun 2012 16:22:20 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4d3fc6bb3f77268000011
Not a troll, just looking for a convincing argument to get me to change my mind.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4d3d2eab8ea3d0a00000dKarlFri, 22 Jun 2012 16:21:38 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4d3d2eab8ea3d0a00000d
:)
You're a good person. That's probably why you got so upset with the author when you read the title. You empathize with the engineers that worked so hard on that product.
I think that the extremist views that editors are allowing to come out of their journalists is really sad. Though, you have to admit, this article would make an excellent study for a journalism class on the growing bias that is being accepted in modern reporting.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4d3ce6bb3f7716600000bJay YarowFri, 22 Jun 2012 16:21:34 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4d3ce6bb3f7716600000b
Here's the problem w. the Enterprise argument. Enterprises aren't keen on Windows 8.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4d2c869bedd8a34000007KarlFri, 22 Jun 2012 16:17:12 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4d2c869bedd8a34000007
See, I think the author of this article is worried about that. iPads are being brought to work currently, because there are no really viable alternatives. Android devices are fantastic, don't get me wrong. There is just so much fragmentation there.
I really think that Jay (who is hopefully not reading these anymore... if you are Jay, you're a troll), invested a lot into learning Apple devices. I think he also told everyone he knows that Apple is the future of computing. As a Californian, I really wish that were true. Give us your money! :D
However, no one knows the future of computing. No one. That's the future of computing right there. It's a limitless horizon. I can't wait to see what else Apple creates. Just like I can't wait to see how many other OS's I can put on the Surface.
I think Jay is scared because he's starting to get older, but isn't ready for it yet. I think he didn't realize that learning new things can be scary as you age. It's something that everyone goes through in their 20's and 30's. The less flexible your mind is, the more vehemently you'll stick to your arguments; like a mule.
Be platform neutral. Take a deep breath, and realize that this competition is going to be a great thing in the long run. It may even push Apple to release an enterprise version of the iPad. Imagine that!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4d29eeab8ea430a000029KKTagFri, 22 Jun 2012 16:16:30 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4d29eeab8ea430a000029
I really dont understand why someone who has no clue about the product, or has ability to do objective analysis tries to predict product success. Is that so easy? Here is a counter argument -
. Surface RT version is exactly iPad form factor, but with better design, Metro UI, USB, NFC, HDMI, Enterprise Manageability, Keyboard, built-in stand, strong Microsoft ecosystem
. Surface Pro is a full fledged PC running desktop level OS (not a phone OS), ability to run all Windows 7 applications (some 700 million users, iPad cannot run OSX applications), keyboard, multi-monitor support and actually a laptop replacement.
So your prediction has no basis, and just a click bait attempt. Start getting objective, understand the ecosystem (PC, Phone, Tablet, Xbox), the developers, the enterprise and then present the facts.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4d27c69bedd8a34000003murfisFri, 22 Jun 2012 16:15:56 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4d27c69bedd8a34000003
really? worse than somebody sitting at a desk saying that a product - that a multibillion dollar company invested blood sweat and tears developing - is gonna be lame? why? be cause he's a fan of the other company? come on!
i agree, i went a little too far there, but i think journalism(if i dare to call it that) is showing the real cost of handing out degrees in communications left and right with crap.
Jay does not know the value of his job, nor do a lot of commentators on tv, print, radio or online. but people get dependable information from people like him, so he is obliged to present a neutral factual report on everything he does.
Jay Yarow, sorry for my earlier comment, i really didn't mean to be harsh.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4d27169beddf42e00000bthe spider manFri, 22 Jun 2012 16:15:45 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4d27169beddf42e00000b
Even though the reporting is probably AAPL biased, you've got to admit the Surface Demo with IE freezing up was an epic fail. Does Safari freeze up sometimes, of course. But in the minds of most people, "Safari" isn't a curse word; "Internet Explorer" is.
If it weren't for MSFT kicking butt with the Xbox brand, Microsoft would be about as irrelevant in the minds of the consumer as Cisco.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4d2526bb3f7606200000aJason WalsonFri, 22 Jun 2012 16:15:14 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4d2526bb3f7606200000a
This guy has it wrong, the reason it will succeed is because of the IPAD.
1) It can run microsoft office. - No matter if you are in school or as for me work all my documents must be in Microsoft Office. So that when others need to read them they can without any problem. I don't have time to learn another program. Its a waste of time.
2) Built in Keyboard - IPAD does not have one. You have to pay extra money bringing total cost up to around 700
3)Security and compatiblity with Exchange Server.
4)Its compatible with XBOX – All of my content is at my disposal such as Movies, Hulu, HBO, ESPN and about 8 other channels
5)Access to Barnes and Noble content built in. Combine this with the what is already available with video content. Apple cannot match this.
6)Hardware – SD card memory capability. Many times I need t save something to a usb drive for later.
7)Easy of use – Extremely simple to use – Large Icons make it easy to navigate. It more intuitive to for the average user.
8) CPU multi core power- which supports high demand games and entertainment.
9)Cost - I don’t have to buy a laptop for 1200, then turn around and buy a tablet for 700. I can now save about 1200 bucks.
10) Apps - there are more apps on Windows 8. Most apps you are already familiar with.
11)Windows 8 even runs windows 7 phone apps. All apps on Windows 8 RT runs on your windows 8 phone.
12) Its not a light weight tablet like IPAD. They are in different categories. This is why it will succeedhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4d1d1ecad040f3a000008BAMFri, 22 Jun 2012 16:13:05 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4d1d1ecad040f3a000008
Hey look, another Jay Yarrow article that dumps on Microsoft. Shocking!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4d19becad04113a000007LeiaFri, 22 Jun 2012 16:12:11 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4d19becad04113a000007
The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4d11769beddcf2b000015Jason WalsonFri, 22 Jun 2012 16:09:59 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4d11769beddcf2b000015
This guy has it wrong, the reason it will succeed is because of the IPAD.
1) It can run microsoft office. - No matter if you are in school or as for me work all my documents must be in Microsoft Office. So that when others need to read them they can without any problem. I don't have time to learn another program. Its a waste of time.
2) Built in Keyboard - IPAD does not have one. You have to pay extra money bringing total cost up to around 700
3)Security and compatiblity with Exchange Server.
4)Its compatible with XBOX – All of my content is at my disposal such as Movies, Hulu, HBO, ESPN and about 8 other channels
5)Access to Barnes and Noble content built in. Combine this with the what is already available with video content. Apple cannot match this.
6)Hardware – SD card memory capability. Many times I need t save something to a usb drive for later.
7)Easy of use – Extremely simple to use – Large Icons make it easy to navigate. It more intuitive to for the average user.
8) CPU multi core power- which supports high demand games and entertainment.
9)Cost - I don’t have to buy a laptop for 1200, then turn around and buy a tablet for 700. I can now save about 1200 bucks.
10) Apps - there are more apps on Windows 8. Most apps you are already familiar with.
11)Windows 8 even runs windows 7 phone apps. All apps on Windows 8 RT runs on your windows 8 phone.
12) Its not a light weight tablet like IPAD. They are in different categories. This is why it will succeedhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4d09aecad041638000005KarlFri, 22 Jun 2012 16:07:54 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4d09aecad041638000005
First: lol, the newton.
Second: I see what you are trying to say, but there has to be a less antagonizing way to say it.
Third: Apple TV and the iPad/iPhone make a pretty cool (though extraordinarily expensive) combo.
If you look over my comments, you'll see that I agree with the spirit of what you're saying. There just has to be a more polite way of saying it.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4d006eab8ea2a0200000aNeilFri, 22 Jun 2012 16:05:26 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4d006eab8ea2a0200000a
Scared? Of the 'Surface'.?.?
Ha. Ha. Ha.
Thanks, I needed a good laugh today.
As JY so succinctly put it, if you have some compelling reason to believe M$ has a hit on it's hands let's hear it, until then all you have is puerile name calling.
I watched the Surface presentation beginning to end, it was embarrassing.
If this dog (and 'Metro') is what M$ is hanging it's future on then shareholders have very good reason to be worried.
Make no mistake, Apple deliberately spent a lot of time and effort making something that couldn't be easily replicated. For M$ or anyone else to have the same success they'd need the same inspired vision.
Do you seriously think M$ has EVER had inspired vision???http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4cfe369bedd942e000018valkarFri, 22 Jun 2012 16:04:51 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4cfe369bedd942e000018
What a rotten argument.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4cf8369bedda92b00000dKarlFri, 22 Jun 2012 16:03:15 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4cf8369bedda92b00000d
Jay, I don't want you to take this personally, so don't read any further. This is for other people that come to read the comments on your piece.
This is what happens when places hire people that say they are "geeks" and they are not. Chances are this person has been a Mac fan ever since he bought one with his student loan money while getting his master's in Journalism. Not that there is anything wrong with that. My point is that this person knows little else.
The biggest problem that I have with Apple's products is that they proactively try to stop people from opening them up, and nerding out on them.
The surface has torx (or maybe hex) screws on the back that are just begging to be opened up. It wants to be played with. It's that sort of thing that excites actual geeks.
I'm certainly not saying there are not Apple geeks out there. I've met plenty, and I salute each one of you (though, they tend to be more on the coding side of geek - but there's still the appreciation of the new). Unfortunately, this is a journalist that is not talking from any sort of geekiness, but a desire to be right.
It makes me wonder if, instead of a journalist, businessinsider.com knew that they were hiring a troll.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4cee8eab8eaa002000009PWContribFri, 22 Jun 2012 16:00:40 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4cee8eab8eaa002000009
I think folks are missing the point of the surface. To understand what the market is you need to consider Microsoft's core business: Microsoft Office, followed by Windows followed by their server products and development tools.
Think about all the products soon to be coming from Microsoft. They all share the same operating system core, from mobile phones, connected services (cars), Surface products, PixelSense (tabletop) Xbox Smart Glass, desktops to the servers and up in the cloud.
Microsoft now has one operating system core running on every market segment of device. They have development libraries and tools to create applications on every market segment device. Folks... you should see this for what it is -- a game changer for the industry.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4ced1eab8eaa002000005LumpyCarpetFri, 22 Jun 2012 16:00:17 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4ced1eab8eaa002000005
One word: Enterprise
Apple's iPAd will never ever be an enterprise product. Android is very insecure. That leaves millions of customers who need a tablet like product with the security and controls that only MSFT can provide.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4ce4beab8ea1602000007CoryFri, 22 Jun 2012 15:58:03 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4ce4beab8ea1602000007
I love how Apple fanboys always use the Zune as their fighting mantra..."yah well its going to be the next Zune!!...hahaha" yah thats it!! the next Zune...BUT HEY Apple fanboys....I bought a Apple Lisa...to use as a fancy paper weight..oh i also picked up an Apple Cube to use as a mood light...until it over heats that is...oh crap..you gotta buy an Xserve...it works great as a toaster!...oh my god...did i mention the Apple TV?? it works great as a Mac Mini...i mean as a DVD player...no I mean it works as a streaming thingy to get Youttube, i mean to get Netflix ..i mean it looks really cool and takes up an HDMI slot in my tv...but did i mention how cool it is??.....don't get me started or i will throw my Newton at you!!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4cd7feab8ea547c000009Big JFri, 22 Jun 2012 15:54:39 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4cd7feab8ea547c000009
This "article" is nothing but pure trash.
Maybe it will fail? Who knows?
Maybe it will succeed? Who knows?
But does the notion honestly require some shitty "article" with poor writing and a blatantly juvenile tone?
I've read through some terrible technology blogs with poor writers not nearly half as bad as this.
Mr. Yarrow, please grow up. We understand you need hits and ad clicks to earn your mediocre paycheck from this tier 3 blog, but please. Quality writing is needed.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4cce169bedde126000003KarlFri, 22 Jun 2012 15:52:01 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4cce169bedde126000003
There's no need for that. Bad form.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4cc9169bedd5c26000021GregFri, 22 Jun 2012 15:50:41 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4cc9169bedd5c26000021
You're right, options are bad for consumers, I find them confusing, plus why would you need anything else when apple already invented everything we could ever hope to have invented in a technological aspect. Oh wait that's right I'm typing this on an Android phone because it offers options I use that apple does not. I guess options are good for consumers after all. While you may find apples products to be the epitome of tech, there are many people who don't. This is partly the reason Android owns 60% of the mobile market share. While its true Microsoft has had a number of flops, it has also had many great successes. You point out the Zune as a flop, I'd point to the xbox as a success. It came to market when everyone said Sony could not be beat, now Sony is in dire financial trouble because of this hubris. Stop writing articles that judge the product before they are even released and maybe drink some water in place of the apple kool-aid... You'll live longer.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4cb04eab8ea3c79000009TomFri, 22 Jun 2012 15:44:04 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4cb04eab8ea3c79000009
I don't think this is a bad device at all. I see it being quite versatile. I think this market is bigger than we know and while we say that Apple has the vast majority, it is a growing market. More and more people will be buying smaller, more portable devices. We are so caught up in a world where there are only two choices and as soon as someone disagrees with our choice we trash them for their beliefs, no matter how solid they are. (Think dem v. republican).
This device is definitely filling a void in tech that I've been asking for for about 2 years. I've used an iPad for work, with a BT keyboard...it was nice, but not quite there. My ideal device will have tablet like features (gps and other sensors, lightweight) but I can still do some quick things on the go. When I work at my desk, I'll dock it to a larger monitor. When I leave, I pick it up and everything I was working on stays with me...couple that with the upcoming Windows Phone 8 release that allows syncing between devices and it gets fairly compelling to me. I may be the exception of course, but I'm not looking for a window to the internet or a way to play games.
All that being said, I don't think it will be a run away consumer success. This fits much better within the enterprise landscape than anything else. I don't think it will encroach too broadly on other manufacturers as well. We are a world of consumers with unlimited wants...choices drive innovation. If there is a segment out there with money to spend on a device that does not yet exist, someone will make that device and sell it to them.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4cadbecad04a72f000003murfisFri, 22 Jun 2012 15:43:23 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4cadbecad04a72f000003
Jay Yarow... got an apple stuck up your butt? that must hurt!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4caadeab8ea1e77000001KarlFri, 22 Jun 2012 15:42:37 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4caadeab8ea1e77000001
lol, I just looked at your comment history:
<a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/commenter?id=f237544bd897a347f0b58500" target="_blank">http://www.businessinsider.com/commenter?id=f237544bd897a347f0b58500</a>
I've seen less bias on Fox News.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4ca1a6bb3f7d055000008norcalguyFri, 22 Jun 2012 15:40:10 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4ca1a6bb3f7d055000008
It realy sounds like everone is anti-Microsoft and just want's to see Microsoft to failhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4c9e86bb3f78253000018KarlFri, 22 Jun 2012 15:39:20 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4c9e86bb3f78253000018
Yeah, I think if I bought into Apple, told my bosses, family, and friends to buy into Apple, I'd probably write and article like this too.
Chances are, depending on how well it works within businesses, the MS surface will provide some much needed competition with the iPad.
Thus far, the competition for mobile devices has been lacking.
My question is simple: how can this article not be considered an Opinion piece? I prefer Linux/Android myself, but the tone of this writing is not technical; it's juvenile and sophomoric.
Just out of curiosity Jay, how young are you?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4c98beab8eaa16f000014maxmaxmaxFri, 22 Jun 2012 15:37:47 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4c98beab8eaa16f000014
In the end, the quality and quantity of apps (ecosystems) decide whether the Windows 8 tablet stand a chance to compete. Microsoft try to address this issue by releasing better and easier to use tools that are also universal across the board for developers. How much effort will developers put in the Windows 8 playground remains to be seen. I'm optimistic.
Outside of the U.S., there are still more developers who are good at Microsoft's tools, than there are at Objective C.
If the Intel version of the surface has decent battery performance, that one could be the differentiator.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4c97769beddb01b000025bill cFri, 22 Jun 2012 15:37:27 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4c97769beddb01b000025
any huge corporation coming out with a new product like this will get press (they had an "event" for it). I would guess apple execs are LAUGHING at this thing. Apple is putting a tighter and tighter grip on this market as each day passes without a worthy opponent.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4c8fbecad043029000011dugFri, 22 Jun 2012 15:35:23 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4c8fbecad043029000011
The GOP with it's player hating is in town! {pig kissing...really?} I personally take pride in my work and always try to use tools that make me more efficient. I can see the Surface doing that and will most likely be buying one. How much does the Macbook Air cost by the way? Oh yeah, it starts at $1000. Kickstands are called kickstands because they can be put away. They don't stick out and get in the way when you don't need them. It makes the device more flexible. What is the iPads fancy cover but a funky 'kickstand' (dat's called some edumacation).http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4c704ecad04362700001cdugFri, 22 Jun 2012 15:27:00 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4c704ecad04362700001c
I could say the same for you. Why is the premise flawed? Other then your opinion it is? You have given no substantive arguments. Why is it an inferior product? I see no argument presented other then it 'might' have lower battery life. You refer to the Zune when saying Mircrosoft isn't 'hip' and 'cool' because you are using the iPod as a point of reference (bias). (The ZuneHD was actually a pretty cool device though.) You ignore the XBox which kids say is definitely cool. Especially with Kinect. Last but not least, Microsoft's real bread and butter comes from the Enterprise. An area that Apple has always been lacking in. If the the Surface can integrate better in the enterprise then the iPad (highly likely) then it will be successful in the enterprise and a $100 price difference when compared to the new iPad won't really make a difference since integration costs, which are always conveniently ignored by apple fans, will be much lower. I don't think that it will have the level of success of the iPad, but I also disagree that it is 'Guaranteed To Have Small Sales'http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4c6d3ecad041a2500000bAaron Stanley KingFri, 22 Jun 2012 15:26:11 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4c6d3ecad041a2500000b
I respectfully disagree. I think the tablet market is segmented and Microsoft is going after a unsatisfied segment. The nook doesn't compete with the iPad on features, this new Surface won't compete with the Nook on price. It's just a screen for the screen market and that market has several segments.
I like my 42 inch TV for some things I do in the cloud, my phone and desktop for others. I also use my tablet, or my wife's nook. I've used an iPad and they are great little screens too. I just never bought one, just not my OS.
I really love all those old adds Apple put out of doctors looking at images etc. Of course if it was anything more than just a viewer, the FDA would regulate the app because it would affect the patient. I'm pretty sure the iPad is useless when it comes to those 10 hours a day I work. I need Windows so I can install approved apps.
Done ranting... I just didn't appreciate this short and sweet article. The market is much more complex than that.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4c6cc6bb3f76c4d000016KristijanFri, 22 Jun 2012 15:26:04 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4c6cc6bb3f76c4d000016
Price and battery life are the only two things that really concern me here, honestly. I think Surface (Pro) is excellent and I would gladly use it together with my new Windows Phone 8 and Windows 8 PC (this fall, hopefully). I really enjoy Metro interface, I love my current WP7 device and I simply adore Windows 8 Release Preview. If anywhere, these tablets will find their new owners among those of us who want to have a whole, seamless, powerful Windows experience. But, that`s just my personal opinion...http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4c6ad6bb3f7855100000fmarcalbertsFri, 22 Jun 2012 15:25:33 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4c6ad6bb3f7855100000f
Funny thing, Jay--I was going to ask you for substantative reasons behind your opinion too. And that was after reading the story. The premise is flawed because two devices are trying to do two things at once? That's substantative? The price is too high? That's substantative, when it's a new product on the market and there is really zero idea if Microsoft really intends to sell it or just intends to show it to get their hardware partners thinking more aggressively? Please. Why should anyone make a substantative argument about surface when this all the "substance" you bring to the table?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4c68269beddd313000010Frank CastleFri, 22 Jun 2012 15:24:50 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4c68269beddd313000010
Thought I rarely agree with Jay or any of the SAI staff who are way too Apple biased I can't help but see a train wreck for not just Surface but Windows 8 in general.
Microsoft is where they are due to corporate adoption and use, people want to mirror what they do in the office at home. Reality is most people only email, web browse and light document creation.
Corporate --> Home ---> Corporate
The model now is
Home ---> Corporate ---> Home
Considering most employees are going to remote into work the device end point doesn't matter now. Everyone is moving to Citrix or VDI, which ironically are going to be Windows 7 or web based Applications.
So where is the large Windows 8 market going to come from? Our corporation is just now migrating to Windows 7, we've been on XP for almost 12 years so there is no change migrating to Windows 8 anytime soon.
The RT model should be $299-$350 tops. The Pro version should be $500 or so. It would have a chance then.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4c64269bedd6813000006Lipstick on PigFri, 22 Jun 2012 15:23:46 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4c64269bedd6813000006
dug, first let me address that your a complete ass clown. No one is going to buy the MS Surface for more than it costs to buy an iPad. Second, Jay wasn't saying that he hated work he was saying that its tough to sell consumers a product with the tag line "get more work done". Third, the surface doesn't replace the laptop - why would someone use a surface with a kick stand over a Macbook air? Can you use a kickstand and a limp keyboard on your lap every morning while you are sitting on a train commuting into work? The only place you can use a kickstand and that stupid keyboard is on a DESK, and that's not the place where most people use their iPads. Do yourself a favor and go get a GED before you comment on an article you don't understand.
-Lipstickhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4c63aecad045127000002bFri, 22 Jun 2012 15:23:38 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4c63aecad045127000002
when you're done choking on apple's you know what, write something with more flavor and unbiasnesshttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4c59decad04162500000dChris MullendoreFri, 22 Jun 2012 15:21:01 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4c59decad04162500000d
Apple fanboys slap Microsoft for not innovating as much as apple. Then Microsoft innovates, and they get slapped for not being more like apple. This is a religious debate, and nothing anyone says will change your mind.
The Surface is cool because it is all the things the ipad is, and all the things it's not. You say the kickstand is a bad thing... I say the ipad cover flips around to do the same thing. You say the keyboard in the cover is lame... I say the #1 accessory purchased for the ipad is an external keyboard built into the cover. You say it will be $600... when pricing hasn't been announced. Battery life might be worse... when there are no metrics to this fact at all (fear-mongering).
Microsoft is doing something different than it's ever done before, and innovating in ways that is getting even Apple folks attention. That's not bad (at least not for Microsoft).http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4c57769bedd5216000002rupert liesFri, 22 Jun 2012 15:20:23 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4c57769bedd5216000002
much as I dislike metro, a huge percetage of the world's businesses run on window and they aren't going to change any time soon. for most of them it's a very attractive proposition. oh. and jay's an idiot.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4c562eab8ea366a000012briantoppingFri, 22 Jun 2012 15:20:02 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4c562eab8ea366a000012
I didn't see the article mention that the Surface will be WiFi only. That's a huge fail on a productivity device that is designed to be truly mobile.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4c54769bedd591300002abill cFri, 22 Jun 2012 15:19:35 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4c54769bedd591300002a
hey Dug, show us a receipt from your surface purchase when you get one. I would be curious to see how much it is, when the purchase date will be, and if someone wants onehttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4c52deab8ea446a000007DepressionFri, 22 Jun 2012 15:19:09 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4c52deab8ea446a000007
i look forward to seeing the new tablet with my own eyes ...
i can't wait to escape the famous "walled garden " of apple ... i long to be free ... i also long for some decent Hard drive space on my tablet without being charged out the ass for it ...http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4c41fecad04f31e00000aMetalDataFri, 22 Jun 2012 15:14:39 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4c41fecad04f31e00000a
I remember when the iPad was announced. It was received pretty well but panned for not being a laptop replacement. That was the expectation at the time and as everybody can tell, it didn't hurt it's growth much.
In the full blown version, Surface is what the iPad isn't. We're ready to move away from never using an ultrabook. There's plenty of room for a devise like this, I'm just not sure Microsoft has the chops to pull it off. Their installed user base won't be enough, they'll need more than just a lot of people using an old and outdated OS on thier desktop.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4c39e69bedd3a13000004bill cFri, 22 Jun 2012 15:12:30 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4c39e69bedd3a13000004
MSFT looks like a good stock to own now based on valuation, even though its been dead money for a decade, but it's not because of their success in hardware. I would be concerned that they are making hardware as it is so out of character for them and they must feel threatened by aapl. the smartest investor on wall st right now, david einhorn claims apple is a software company. he might be right.
If you traded in all that MSFT stock for AAPL stock today, your money would grow faster. period. The funny thing is, if you slapped an apple logo on a "surface", you might be right - it could be successful, because aaple's brand is THAT strong.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4c36969bedd030e00003bJay YarowFri, 22 Jun 2012 15:11:37 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4c36969bedd030e00003b
If you have a substantive argument to make about why the Surface will be a success despite being more expensive than an iPad, I'd like to hear it.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4c2fd6bb3f73d4900000adugFri, 22 Jun 2012 15:09:49 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4c2fd6bb3f73d4900000a
Jay, Your reporting is so Apple biased I don't take anything you write about its competitors seriously. Just put a little apple next to your name and be done with it.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4c2516bb3f7194900000fcrazyamericanFri, 22 Jun 2012 15:06:57 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4c2516bb3f7194900000f
I am currently a MSFT shareholder. I am typing from a netbook running Windows 8. Jay, you slapped an Apple on the Surface it would certainly succeed, right? This is because you are hypnotized. It's ok, though this fall you will snap out of it.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4c24369bedd530e000002There, I fixed it for youFri, 22 Jun 2012 15:06:43 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4fe4c24369bedd530e000002
"Microsoft wouldn't have taken the drastic step of releasing its own hardware if it wasn't scared to death of Apple"
The Apple fanboys wouldn't have taken the drastic step of unleashing their trolls if they weren't scared to death of Surface.