If the 290 is within 5-10% of its big brother, it will need to be carefully priced. The GTX780 performance is so close to Titan as it has fewer cores and less memory, therefore it has more power headroom, so clocks a lot higher.
Maybe the 290 will be the better buy as it might over clock better too?

Maybe you can say that with the 780, but Titan is a huge fail. Usually, the new cards are around the same price or maybe 20% faster in performance but Titan has lost a huge amount of value almost 50% in just a couple of months. I cant remember any card in the last decade that has lost so much value so quickly. Massive fail. Nvidia should be called out for ass reaming its customers. Its one of the main reasons I don't have much respect for NVidia as a company.

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Did or does NVIDIA force anyone to buy their GPUs? No?

Then WTF are you talking about? Now go sue Porsche for selling their 911.

Then WTF are you talking about? Now go sue Porsche for selling their 911.

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dont be so bitter btw buggalugs is right.

like no one saw this coming, it happens every generation, Its just this time Nvidia went too far with their pricing and now its quite clear what a gk104 should have been worth , never mind the gk110 but people bought them.

dont sweat it nvidia will have a reply in time for christmass, a card that kicks the Gtx 780 and titans ass for less money then a 780, well that might not cheer some up either, roll on the bargains.

This is the card I'm looking at. I'm still unsure about the 290X reciveing non-reference coolers, but I know that the 290 will. The 290X proved to be "held back" by it's craptasic cooler, so even if this is slower then it's bigger brother, it GOING to have a better cooler, and be cheaper. Who knows missing 256 shaders may prove to same some power as well. Save some power, produce less heat, better cooler to dissipate heat, better overclocking potential.

I'm not on any side, this is great news for prices in general. But both companies switch roles time to time. Remember the 7970 launched at a staggering $550? Then the GTX 680 came out at $400 and even the playing field. Then it made AMD come out with the 7970GE which performs better. The only true outlier is the Titan, I mean yeah sure it has all that compute performance blah blah blah, it still shouldn't have cost $1000. Whatever happen to $500 being the absolute high end? I'm sure once the 780Ti hits it will be ~$750... I mean come on, that's half of my rent. So I'm glad AMD decided to price their new cards much more reasonable to performance.

This is the card I'm looking at. I'm still unsure about the 290X reciveing non-reference coolers, but I know that the 290 will. The 290X proved to be "held back" by it's craptasic cooler, so even if this is slower then it's bigger brother, it GOING to have a better cooler, and be cheaper. Who knows missing 256 shaders may prove to same some power as well. Save some power, produce less heat, better cooler to dissipate heat, better overclocking potential.

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And hopefully they allow non-reference designs, it will be funny if it ends up performing better than the 290X since the 290X is a furnace that downclocks too much.

Then WTF are you talking about? Now go sue Porsche for selling their 911.

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So you are comparing Porsche to nVidia?
I take that as an insult to the Germans
You know that both nVidia and AMD mainly sells ASIC which are both manufactured at TSMC in Taiwan likely under the same roof

So you are comparing Porsche to nVidia?
I take that as an insult to the Germans
You know that both nVidia and AMD mainly sells ASIC which are both manufactured at TSMC in Taiwan likely under the same roof

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pretty sure he was just making a comparison to something that charges a premium for a quality product, he could of said lexus or corvet or whatever, the fact is that people are willing to pay a premium for what they believe is a better overall product.
now people are probably gonna flak me for saying NVidia makes the better product, well let me make this clear, NVidia probably puts more focus(R&D) on noise, temp, and energy efficient technology more than AMD and as a responsible consumer that's where i'll put my wallet on.

you are going to find that when people mature and grow older, they enjoy things with more finesse in life, with more expectations in other qualities than just brute performance. I used to only care about performance scores as a teenager, but as I become older, I start to put more awareness into other factors such as dust, noise, temperature and power consumption because me as a consumer would like to show more considerations and responsibilities in my purchase, such as voting with my wallet on the greener tech, or whether the noise would affect my wife's sleep at night, its things like this that some of us are willing to pay a premium for. and really, we're not kids anymore and we make enough money to handle the extra cost for a peace of mind.

I might have heard something different than what some of you are posting. Every R series card is going to get non-reference coolers right off the bat except the R290 and R290X. I take it that the non-X is just a cut down from the X which are both made from the same silicon slab and looks like the same size length-wise as well. So it wouldn't make sense if only the R290 would get the non-reference treatment and let the manufacturers ignore the furnace that is the R290X. I think the R290X has a lot of potential once those custom coolers are fitted.

Either way, these premium cards are priced in the right spot IMO, maybe a few dollars too high, but who cares, these are designed to compete with the 780 and the TITAN. And if I say so myself, it looks like AMD have a couple of winners here with regards to price/performance. Power consumption and heat, that's another debate altogether. We'll start seeing more power conscious cards when the 20nm generation comes around, but until then, this is what we got, take it or leave it.

Maybe you can say that with the 780, but Titan is a huge fail. Usually, the new cards are around the same price or maybe 20% faster in performance but Titan has lost a huge amount of value almost 50% in just a couple of months. I cant remember any card in the last decade that has lost so much value so quickly. Massive fail. Nvidia should be called out for ass reaming its customers. Its one of the main reasons I don't have much respect for NVidia as a company.

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I'm sick and tired of people saying dumb things like: "people who bought Titan must be crying and butthurt", "People who bought Titan must be committing mass suicide" "People who bought Titan must have more money than brains"

Well, guess what? My dual Titans didn't spontaneously catch fire when Nvidia released the 780, and I just checked right now, and they didn't spontaneously ignite neither when my new 290X arrived at my door earlier today, I continue enjoying awesome gaming by playing Batman Arkham Origins from my couch on my Shield next to my son while he watches cartoons on a Saturday morning, and enjoying Metro LL on my 3D surround setup at max details after he goes to bed.

In the meantime Windows 8 just finished installing on my 290X rig and I plan to start installing my full Steam library to it so I can game from my couch on my 60" TV and enjoy TruAudio on my 7.2 setup and max out BF4 once the Mantle patch is released in December.

Don't you get it? People who buy Ferraris don't cry or feel butthurt just because Nissan released the GT-R at one fifth of the price and it gets from 0 to 60 a hundredth of a second faster, they don't give a flying fuck, and if they please, they can get a pink colored GT-R just for the sake of it and park it next to their shiny Ferrari.

The logic behind the arguments used by some people is so fundamentally flawed, that it really saddens me, I fully understand that not everyone can afford every new single video card that is released, but that doesn't give these same people the right to insult and bully while protected by the anonimity that Internet Forums offer...

Oh well, I better get ready for another barrage of hateful comments picking up every single detail of what I just posted.... whatever, I have much better things to do than wasting my precious time trying to fight the Zealots, it just makes me sad to see the state of our forum, it used to be that people would come here to ask for help and at the same time help other users, but now these forums have been taken over by mouth foaming Haters with way too much time in their hands, what a sad state of affairs...

I'm sick and tired of people saying dumb things like: "people who bought Titan must be crying and butthurt", "People who bought Titan must be committing mass suicide" "People who bought Titan must have more money than brains"

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I couldn't agree more.

My theory is that some enthusiasts like to have the latest and greatest, not the next best thing. So, when they see how outrageously priced the hardware is (in their eyes), they themselves feel 'butthurt' and will attack anyone who can afford such extreme hardware. That, or they are fanboys for the other team.

My theory is that some enthusiasts like to have the latest and greatest, not the next best thing. So, when they see how outrageously priced the hardware is (in their eyes), they themselves feel 'butthurt' and will attack anyone who can afford such extreme hardware. That, or they are fanboys for the other team.

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Well, this is what happens when 12 year olds (or so called millennials) are starting to learn and use the internet, while they lack the financial capability to acquire any of these said hardwares, their ego however, needs to be constantly reinvigorated.

I'm sick and tired of people saying dumb things like: "people who bought Titan must be crying and butthurt", "People who bought Titan must be committing mass suicide" "People who bought Titan must have more money than brains"

In the meantime Windows 8 just finished installing on my 290X rig and I plan to start installing my full Steam library to it so I can game from my couch on my 60" TV and enjoy TruAudio on my 7.2 setup and max out BF4 once the Mantle patch is released in December.

Don't you get it? People who buy Ferraris don't cry or feel butthurt just because Nissan released the GT-R at one fifth of the price and it gets from 0 to 60 a hundredth of a second faster, they don't give a flying fuck, and if they please, they can get a pink colored GT-R just for the sake of it and park it next to their shiny Ferrari.

The logic behind the arguments used by some people is so fundamentally flawed, that it really saddens me, I fully understand that not everyone can afford every new single video card that is released, but that doesn't give these same people the right to insult and bully while protected by the anonimity that Internet Forums offer...

Oh well, I better get ready for another barrage of hateful comments picking up every single detail of what I just posted.... whatever, I have much better things to do than wasting my precious time trying to fight the Zealots, it just makes me sad to see the state of our forum, it used to be that people would come here to ask for help and at the same time help other users, but now these forums have been taken over by mouth foaming Haters with way too much time in their hands, what a sad state of affairs...

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Chill out mate,that's only common in every forum
Personally i never judge Titan is a fail,considering Titan IS not just a gaming card beast.I had..err...technically had one...for the workstation purposes.For those who want performance upgrade over 7970 GE CFX and cant afford more expensive K5000,Titan will serves you well.As for me...nah...i'm with the otherside,forever

I'm not on any side, this is great news for prices in general. But both companies switch roles time to time. Remember the 7970 launched at a staggering $550? Then the GTX 680 came out at $400 and even the playing field. Then it made AMD come out with the 7970GE which performs better. The only true outlier is the Titan, I mean yeah sure it has all that compute performance blah blah blah, it still shouldn't have cost $1000. Whatever happen to $500 being the absolute high end? I'm sure once the 780Ti hits it will be ~$750... I mean come on, that's half of my rent. So I'm glad AMD decided to price their new cards much more reasonable to performance.

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Dude the 680 didn't launch at 400$ it launched at 500$ and it was only better because AMD was really reservative with it's clocks on the 7900 cards.

Dude the 680 didn't launch at 400$ it launched at 500$ and it was only better because AMD was really reservative with it's clocks on the 7900 cards.

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Just a bit of insight, both companies know full well what their cards can be made to do, and even in the case of the R9 290x they are aware of the improvemant that could have been gained with better cooling or more phases or a better node.

nothing is accidentally constructed the way it is and the 7970 is the perfect example of this process.

limited cooler reff style first to get the first round of sales

AIB own choice coolers next to one up the competition and reap a few more sales

then a tweeked Ghz or what have you (superclocked,golden etc for nv)

then a complete rebrand and market segment drop version of the same thing

And I can tell you this much , buy a refference board and go crazey with a full cover waterblock and enough rad, and you pretty much get the same as the last version released when overclocked from day 1, my 5870 did a fair few years for its worth.

except they improve drivers too even years in ie framepacing with amd made 1080p a dream on xfired 5 series and nvidia also does with it's drivers(fxaa for eg)