Post by quacker on Sept 4, 2013 9:24:48 GMT -5

As far as who my choice for #3 would be I really have no idea. Mike D, EAP, and LD have not done anything out of the ordinary for their playing style and I've never played with Pepe.

I think Jimmy and Hakuna should be in the runoff and I think there should be a third. But I have no idea who it should be. My vote on Mike was just for fun because he is ALWAYS Mafia. I'm willing to move my vote to even it up to a three way runoff if needed. Don't really have any preference after Jimmy/Hakuna.

Post by NoAge on Sept 4, 2013 13:09:19 GMT -5

NoAge > Hakuna

I already stated that I think Jimmy is too vocal this early on to be mafia. LD missed the vote and I think if he were mafia, the other mafia members would have been sending a bunch of PMs to get him to vote. Just my reasoning for sending my vote Hakuna's way.

Post by quacker on Sept 4, 2013 18:23:49 GMT -5

So I had class last night, got home late, and haven't had much time to check things.

I envy those who can surf the web while at work.

I know. It's a great benefit and I know you're doing classes now. But if you miss votes you get booted out so make them as soon as you can and then if you get a chance to check the game you can change it. My vote is probably moving anyway. I just don't know where.

Post by kdogg on Sept 4, 2013 20:39:03 GMT -5

*shakes fist at you darn kids for not making this a four-way runoff*Sorry, I advocate for those in standard games too...

I'm checking in when I can. New apartment plus back to school for milady & her kid were hectic enough before milady fell ill.Some of you might find me being Mr. Mom hilarious, but that's how it's been going this week.Home from work 1:30ish am. Nap. Take little guy to school 7:30. Sick girlfriend, unpacking, nap again. Get the kid from school 2:30. Work again.But the cable guy comes tomorrow so I can check in from something other than my phone for a change, yay!

Point of inquiry: If/when I die in this game, can my death be relayed by way of one of those old Disney wartime cartoons where (for example) Donald Duck is armed and on a mission to to kill some Nazis and/or extremely caricatured Japanese?Please & thank you.

Post by WLViking on Sept 5, 2013 3:08:54 GMT -5

Point of inquiry: If/when I die in this game, can my death be relayed by way of one of those old Disney wartime cartoons where (for example) Donald Duck is armed and on a mission to to kill some Nazis and/or extremely caricatured Japanese?Please & thank you.

I am going to refer to the rules that you wrote in that the death videos will be picked by me, the ref.

With how vocal both Kdogg and Jimmy are, I doubt either of them are mafia. If they are, I'm impressed by the reckless playing.

I think this is an excellent point, and briefly mentioned feeling that way about one of Jimmy's posts.But I think with this many mafia members they could easily afford to have one just go off the rail early and try to make more than a few townies look guilty by association.Not saying that is neccisarily what I think is going on, but I'm by no means writing it off.

I'm going to keep my vote on Hakuna. He's trying very hard to ride the wave of controversy to get people voted out.

First, I b!tched out Kdogg and got a relatively positive response. What did Hakuna do? He switched his vote to Kdogg. (Mind you, Hakuna even alluded to his belief that I am likely a townie and said he will "bite" on that idea "for now."

About 16 hours later, after no one else switched their vote to KDogg, Hakuna switched his vote for the third time to me. Very convenient for Hakuna to change his mind on this without explanation as to why I am all of the sudden more suspicious than Kdogg. Almost nothing happened in between those two vote switches by Hakuna (maybe a few posts?).

I feel like Hakuna has been trying to manipulate the way people vote, and I'm happy to keep my vote on Hakuna for the time being.

So please, by all means enlighten us with something that will help the town.

I did, by pointing out how your voting record so far points to the fact that you don't have much justification behind all your vote switching. And it appears that you are just trying to ride momentum against myself and Kdogg because you want to get the "easy" targets voted out - i.e. the people who were the center of discussion for a page and a half.

I feel like jimmy has taken a much harder stance against hakuna than the reverse. but I don't know how to interpret any of their posts, except that it's possible they are both townies just getting caught up. what I know about jimmy is that he is really good as a mafia member at seeming very helpful to the town. but as a townie, he really can be helpful so I would hate to vote him out if that's the case.

Post by ellabelle on Sept 5, 2013 4:35:11 GMT -5

LD doesn't really hit me too much as suspicious, his laying low is usually because of his schedule, not avoidance of the game. Jimmy and Hakuna may just be townies pegging one another as mafia, but what struck me was Hakuna outwardly jumping on Jimmy's wagon saying that he really believed Jimmy was town, then switching his vote to him from Kdogg, essentially saving him from being an initial runoff candidate. Whether Jimmy is mafia or town is up in the air, since I've seen him as helpful mafia and as confusing town, and he is being both helpful and creating a discussion this time. I think we need a bit more time with Jimmy to get a better read for him.

The vote choices that Hakuna have made just seem a bit more controversial to me, so:

Post by krissyjo on Sept 5, 2013 5:45:19 GMT -5

o'neil AvatarSept 5, 2013 9:11:00 GMT -5 o'neil said:

I feel like jimmy has taken a much harder stance against hakuna than the reverse. but I don't know how to interpret any of their posts, except that it's possible they are both townies just getting caught up.what I know about jimmy is that he is really good as a mafia member at seeming very helpful to the town. but as a townie, he really can be helpful so I would hate to vote him out if that's the case.

This is the kind of thing that irks me, though I do understand the logic. If Jimmy's a townie, he's very helpful, BUT if he's mafia, he's convincing as a helpful townie, so let's keep a possible mafia member around "just in case." cause he could be either. That seems to be an easy way for mafia to skate through to the end, by posing as a helpful townie that people are nervous to get rid of.

I'm not advocating for voting Jimmy out this round. In fact, if he's helpful, regardless of position, we may as well keep him around at least for a few more days to possibly get that helpfulness and not misdirection disguised as helpfulness.

With LD, I understand a busy schedule and limited access can hinder someone's gameplay. That still doesn't completely clear him, though. Sure, if he's mafia, you'd think the other mafia would be sending PM's out the wazoo to get his attention... however, if he can't login, that's useless. If LD were mafia, after a long day, one would think he'd still at least pop in to throw out a name, knowing what time the voting ended. Unless he felt as though his vote really wouldn't matter. With that said, I don't think as mafia he would risk getting 1 strike in a 2 strikes game. You only have a limited grace period and I wouldn't think mafia would risk it, regardless of how tired you are when you get home.

And then we have Hakuna. Hakuna seems to be fairly quiet, only to show up and stir the pot with vote changes which then turns people suspicious. The only snag in that suspicion is, as a seasoned player, he'd know that lots of vote changes look suspicious, so why would he set himself up for that if he were mafia? Of course there is the circular argument about being so good of a mafia player that he knows vote changes cause suspicion, yet if it's done blatantly, then people would think a mafia member would know better, so they assume he's a townie, only to discover in the end he was actually mafia pretending to be a townie doing a mafia move. Whoa. I just made myself dizzy.

The mafia's goal is to keep us townies guessing while they pick us off, and so far, they're doing a bang-up job... at least on me. I don't feel like there's been enough controversy and accusations, which makes me wonder if the mafia is happy with the way things are going. Unfortunately, one of these three need to go, so...

krissyjo>>hakuna

Because Jimmy is still useful and it's still early and I don't think a mafia LD would miss a vote.

Post by krissyjo on Sept 5, 2013 5:47:18 GMT -5

I feel like jimmy has taken a much harder stance against hakuna than the reverse. but I don't know how to interpret any of their posts, except that it's possible they are both townies just getting caught up. what I know about jimmy is that he is really good as a mafia member at seeming very helpful to the town. but as a townie, he really can be helpful so I would hate to vote him out if that's the case.

This is the kind of thing that irks me, though I do understand the logic. If Jimmy's a townie, he's very helpful, BUT if he's mafia, he's convincing as a helpful townie, so let's keep a possible mafia member around "just in case." cause he could be either. That seems to be an easy way for mafia to skate through to the end, by posing as a helpful townie that people are nervous to get rid of.

I'm not advocating for voting Jimmy out this round. In fact, if he's helpful, regardless of position, we may as well keep him around at least for a few more days to possibly get that helpfulness and not misdirection disguised as helpfulness.

With LD, I understand a busy schedule and limited access can hinder someone's gameplay. That still doesn't completely clear him, though. Sure, if he's mafia, you'd think the other mafia would be sending PM's out the wazoo to get his attention... however, if he can't login, that's useless. If LD were mafia, after a long day, one would think he'd still at least pop in to throw out a name, knowing what time the voting ended. Unless he felt as though his vote really wouldn't matter. With that said, I don't think as mafia he would risk getting 1 strike in a 2 strikes game. You only have a limited grace period and I wouldn't think mafia would risk it, regardless of how tired you are when you get home.

And then we have Hakuna. Hakuna seems to be fairly quiet, only to show up and stir the pot with vote changes which then turns people suspicious. The only snag in that suspicion is, as a seasoned player, he'd know that lots of vote changes look suspicious, so why would he set himself up for that if he were mafia? Of course there is the circular argument about being so good of a mafia player that he knows vote changes cause suspicion, yet if it's done blatantly, then people would think a mafia member would know better, so they assume he's a townie, only to discover in the end he was actually mafia pretending to be a townie doing a mafia move. Whoa. I just made myself dizzy.

The mafia's goal is to keep us townies guessing while they pick us off, and so far, they're doing a bang-up job... at least on me. I don't feel like there's been enough controversy and accusations, which makes me wonder if the mafia is happy with the way things are going. Unfortunately, one of these three need to go, so...

krissyjo>>hakuna

Because Jimmy is still useful and it's still early and I don't think a mafia LD would miss a vote.

Post by o'neil on Sept 5, 2013 5:53:37 GMT -5

that's why I hadn't voted yet, because I honestly can't read jimmy right now. and I'm not saying I wouldn't vote him off solely because he's a "helpful" player, but so far I feel like he has contributed more, regardless of his role, than Hakuna probably has.

if I've counted correctly, with your vote change and ella's vote, that leaves Hakuna with 7 votes. so do I stack on that and pretty much guarantee he gets voted out this round? or vote for jimmy and wait to see what Phi does and if anyone else changes?

I guess without anything else to go on, for now I'm going to have to just vote for Hakuna.