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but no! from earlier it is clear that matsuri is intended to kill aono...looking at how she stabbed the second clone i for cant one take the "shes only trying to immobilize her" as an excuse...it was a full shot aimed for the body and that would be a killing blow...

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It clearly doesn't work that way - as we have seen, a stab to the stomach is not lethal to yakas, so that could not have been intended as a killing blow. (By your theory, Matsuri herself should be dead by now ). I suspect she would have went for the head if she intended to kill Aono.

That aside, i feel Aono has been given way too much hax powers. Especially creating two clones of herself and she doesn't even look strained, while creating one Yorito landed her in to the hospital.

It clearly doesn't work that way - as we have seen, a stab to the stomach is not lethal to yakas, so that could not have been intended as a killing blow. (By your theory, Matsuri herself should be dead by now ). I suspect she would have went for the head if she intended to kill Aono.

That aside, i feel Aono has been given way too much hax powers. Especially creating two clones of herself and she doesn't even look strained, while creating one Yorito landed her in to the hospital.

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Yeah, Aono was doing these things with ease. It's as if she's grown comfortable with the amount of power she's exerted after having created Yorito. So, now, she can expend as much as she wants without getting strained.

The way I look at it is this:
Aono is the equivalent of an athelete that's trained and trained and can do things with little strain.

Matsuri is the equivalent of a regular person and takes things in stride. But, when it comes to strenuous activity, she has to put more effort into it than someone's that's trained for it.

Therefore I think Aono built up her power over the years, and it looks like she's been creating Yorito for quite a while. And, she used most, if not, all of her power to make that creation as close to the real Yorito as possible. Matsuri, on the other hand, knew her situation beforehand and learned to accept it. She probably spent most of her life enjoying it as much as she can and maybe running away from people that considered her a threat.

Also, do you think Matsuri fatally stabbed herself? I've seen Matsuri get stabbed and thrown and beaten up, and still get up. She is a very tough girl; and whatever is thrown at her, she picks herself back up and hold her head up high.

I just don't think she died after plunging that sword into her. It didn't look like a fatal spot, but it did look very painful.

I guess we won't truly know until Ep.13 if Yorito became separated from Aono or ceased to exist and if Matsuri lived or not. Ahhh.. this wait is going to kill me. >_<;;;

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Yeah, Aono was doing these things with ease. It's as if she's grown comfortable with the amount of power she's exerted after having created Yorito. So, now, she can expend as much as she wants without getting strained.

The way I look at it is this:
Aono is the equivalent of an athelete that's trained and trained and can do things with little strain.

Matsuri is the equivalent of a regular person and takes things in stride. But, when it comes to strenuous activity, she has to put more effort into it than someone's that's trained for it.

Therefore I think Aono built up her power over the years, and it looks like she's been creating Yorito for quite a while. And, she used most, if not, all of her power to make that creation as close to the real Yorito as possible. Matsuri, on the other hand, knew her situation beforehand and learned to accept it. She probably spent most of her life enjoying it as much as she can and maybe running away from people that considered her a threat.

Also, do you think Matsuri fatally stabbed herself? I've seen Matsuri get stabbed and thrown and beaten up, and still get up. She is a very tough girl; and whatever is thrown at her, she picks herself back up and hold her head up high.

I just don't think she died after plunging that sword into her. It didn't look like a fatal spot, but it did look very painful.

I guess we won't truly know until Ep.13 if Yorito became separated from Aono or ceased to exist and if Matsuri lived or not. Ahhh.. this wait is going to kill me. >_<;;;

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Spoiler for ep12:

It clearly doesn't work that way - as we have seen, a stab to the stomach is not lethal to yakas, so that could not have been intended as a killing blow. (By your theory, Matsuri herself should be dead by now ). I suspect she would have went for the head if she intended to kill Aono.

That aside, i feel Aono has been given way too much hax powers. Especially creating two clones of herself and she doesn't even look strained, while creating one Yorito landed her in to the hospital.

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I think creating Yorito's clone is far much a challenging work than creating her own clones. In Yorito's case, didn't she have to bind Yorito's soul to the golem (or at least his personality and part of his memory, as Yorito was able to recall the pre-Yaka Aono).

Moreover, aside of Yorito, in the beginning, Aono needed to create a false memory of everyone in town and to build the house, furniture, and everything in it. Personally, I will be freaked out if a house suddenly appeared at a vacant lot next door (Off topic: there was a Doraemon episode when Nobita's house suddenly appeared next to a cinema and the owner was like WTF.) Notice that when she left to fight Matsuri, the entire house simply vanished and Mana's friends didn't notice it except feeling strange (I might be mistaken here, since my Japanese is not that good). I think the house and everything in it disappeared because Aono felt the need to gather all her power for this final battle.

One thing that still bugs me though, WHERE IS KOYORI? Last time we saw her, she was sleeping in the living room at Aono's house and I don't think Aono had a chance to take Koyori back to her own house.

It clearly doesn't work that way - as we have seen, a stab to the stomach is not lethal to yakas, so that could not have been intended as a killing blow. (By your theory, Matsuri herself should be dead by now ). I suspect she would have went for the head if she intended to kill Aono.

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did i say that she was going to die straight away? ofc there will be a period of wait before that happens but at the end the person will die...especially if matsuri intended to take aono's life to make herself human...thus why i think that the action she did was a sudden change of plan from what she wanted to do in the first place ~

During the flashback scene with Takeshi, Matsuri states either to Takeshi or to herself that she intends to make Aono human. IMO, I don't think she decided to change her mind half way through. The stab through the stomach was either overlooked or meant as a non-fatal blow.

Oh this was one kick arse episode, I love these episodes with feelings and fights ^^
And yey Aono has one of the most awesome fighting styles ever.

Looks like the sword needs to go all the way through the victim to be imbued with the spell. Matsuri stabbed herself in the same spot and with the same force she stabbed the 2nd Aono clone so no doubt about it she was trying to revive someone ~ but not Aono. The scene with sola wouldn't have been so dramatic had Matsuri not changed her mind all of a sudden. It would also be pointless for her not to stab herself sooner if that's what it took. The way it went she was obviously going to stab Aono first.

This could be a huge plot hole or perhaps an oversight, like some other things in the series ~ there were actually quite a few hax in terms of distance, placement etc only this episode, it wouldn't be surprising.

It appears Aono was indeed Yoritos sister, and there's some ~ affection, but nothing dirty as some theories would suggest. She mostly has some sort of brother-complex.

Oh and as far as Aono's poweres are too haxored ~ she's not a commoner and there does seem to be some sort of indication she's was some sort of sacrifice in the past but I didn't really catch it, so it would be silly if she didn't have all that power. There's also the fact she's using something she puts practically a lot of love and life into ~ and then there's also the Yorito experience. On the other end Matsuri is generally loafing around doing little to nothing. My opinion is that Aono is maybe too l33t and Matsuri is too much of a n00b, and that's were the contrast in the fights comes from.

I agree with wonteak that Matsuri needed to weaken Aono before she can do her sacrifice. The cut scenes to Mayuko and Takeshi were more or less a commentary that Matsuri had a strong resolve in what she's planning to do, so it's not likely (though not impossible) that she will change her plan midway. Just after she stabbed herself, in another flashback scene involving Takeshi teaching Matsuri the sword's usage, we also saw her determined look as she emphasized "to return Aono to human." And lastly Yorito doesn't look at all shocked that Matsuri impaled herself.

As for Matsuri plunging the sword into Aono's kami bunshin (lol)... I observed that it was aimed somewhere in the abdomen area. Matsuri was also stabbed earlier by Yorito in the same area and she survived. When Matsuri stabbed herself for the sacrifice, it appears to be aimed higher up, I'm guessing at the heart. Maybe the heart is where the life essense of the Yaka lies... just my guess though.

Anyway this episode had me on the edge of my seat from the start to finish trying to figure out what Matsuri is really trying to do. And what's more we finally got the centuries ago flashback that I've been dying to see. It also nice that in between the tension we've got back some of the old Matsuri playfulness which I really enjoyed in the first half of the series ie. the movie pretense interlude. This is easily the best ep for me so far.

Even though the fighting itself wasn't poorly done it somehow failed to deliver the right feeling. There were a few good moments but mostly the fight was a bit boring imo. And there were some minor inconsistencies again: Why is Aono's paper inside the building as well after Matsuri crashes through the window? How can Yorito hold her down so easily after pushing her over? But well, it's nothing that can't be overlooked.
And the scene when the blue sky is suddenly being projected onto the wall, we see a long shot and everybody freezes for a few seconds - that was great, I really liked that one.

It seems like Matsuri and Yorito will disappear (after Aono turns back to human, Yorito will probably just turn back to paper), but Aono will be turn back to human. I wonder if Aono will retaiin any of her yaka memory. It's a little different than what I expected, but it's still an excellent ep. 10!

It seems like Matsuri and Yorito will disappear (after Aono turns back to human, Yorito will probably just turn back to paper), but Aono will be turn back to human. I wonder if Aono will retaiin any of her yaka memory. It's a little different than what I expected, but it's still an excellent ep. 10!

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I wonder if Aono will attempt suicide again or learn from this. But, I'm sure she'll retain her memories from being a Yaka.

Oh wait... she now has to get a new identity, et cetera, to start another life-- and this time without the use of Yaka powers.

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Aono touches upon exactly what I was concerned with. I feel this show is moving a bit too fast - it feels very shallow for Yorito to reach such a resolve so quickly, when he [felt like he] was completely normal during the former portion of the show. Good episode, but the I'm losing favour in the characters.

Matsuri will sacrifice herself to make Aono human and Yorito will then disappear, I got that part. The thing is, wont this leave Aono completely and utterly alone? It seems kinda heartless for Yorito and Matsuri to do this to her and not care......just leaving her by herself. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Am I wrong?

Matsuri will sacrifice herself to make Aono human and Yorito will then disappear, I got that part. The thing is, wont this leave Aono completely and utterly alone? It seems kinda heartless for Yorito and Matsuri to do this to her and not care......just leaving her by herself. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Am I wrong?

As far as this series is concerned, I won't be surprised if they throw us another twist in the midst of all that's happening currently. I'm putting half my money on that happening, though apparently the scenario you just mentioned seems to be the most conventional one that's likely to happen. Aono won't really be alone, but I'm guessing that she'll be really heartbroken.

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I don't know what Matsuri and Yorito really want for Aono, but it almost seemed like a good slap in the face for her to face reality and stop living the dream. No guarantees she won't attempt suicide again, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed and thoughts open.