Each Color Group get a little harder as the week goes on Mon-Thurs, Friday is a bit easier trail for that color group to get the raffle started earlier in the day. When registration opens you of course can choose from any trail any day as long as you meet the trial requirements. (http://gonemoab.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/GM-Schedule-2012-1024x680.png)

Its not the exit outta Hells GAte its also the entrance down into it to worry about as well! IT can be done with a fairly stock truck, just listen to your spotter, but there is not a lot of people that will spot someone up that if they don't know you. (FYI I will not spot anyone up this).

Keep in mind those of you who are coming to Moab, and want to run Hells Gate, there is a lot of consequences (google some videos of it) if something goes wrong inside the gate. Whoever is experienced there and spotting will probably give you a huge briefing on this obstacle. I think it looks worse in person than in the photos, and takes a lot of trust in the spotter and driving skills to get down and up Hells Gate.

With that said those of you going to goneMoab, you drive at your own risk and its ultimately your truck. ITs about having fun out there, and trust me after my first year there is a lot of fun to be had!

Hells Gate has a significant pucker factor. Going up not as much as dropping down, although if my rig had a stock track width I'd sing a different tune. I got more of an adrenaline rush dropping down vs. going up. There are plenty of people to spot you & a winch line is never going to be far away.

Will be a fun time no matter what trails you run or what obstacles you drive/spectate. I'm 50/50 right now on attending....

Just checked the trail schedule again, gotta figure out what to run on Friday... the Friday blue is Tiptoe Through Hell, but if I'm running Hell's Revenge Thursday then I don't want to run the same trail twice in the week. Friday green is Fins, but that is Wed blue...

Just checked the trail schedule again, gotta figure out what to run on Friday... the Friday blue is Tiptoe Through Hell, but if I'm running Hell's Revenge Thursday then I don't want to run the same trail twice in the week. Friday green is Fins, but that is Wed blue...

I think I am going to stick mostly to the blues, maybe hit 1 red...Hell's Gate is probably a no go for me, just watching videos of it...terrifying. But we will see...Maybe ill feel more confident later on...

Hells Gate is an optional obstacle on Hells Revenge. You could run Hells Revenge and bypass all of the obstacles. As with any trails during GONE Moab, there are certain minimum vehicle requirements for the trails (especially the Red and the Black trails), and the trail leaders have the final say on who is allowed to run the trail.

Yeah the entrance can be a bit hairy at times too especially the truggies that drop in and are gearred reallly low with no weight in the back end. Ive seen front end wheelies there.

The exit can go either direction. The right line is really narrow and without a front locker it is even narrower. If the front tire drops off the wall you are screwed. I always tell folks the base isnt littlered with plastic, glass, metal & oil because it was easy.

It's interesting that the videos of people flipping usually involve a highly lifted vehicle with a super wide stance. Is there a benefit to having a more stock vehicle? It would seem that a narrower wheelbase and less lift would be beneficial on something like this.

Ahh c'mon. Quit scaring people, it looks way worse than it is. Yes the consequences of failure are severe but that's if no one had a cable on ya to begin with just for safety. I'd let anyone drive my X up that without a second thought.

IMHO, there were spots on Hells Revenge that gave me a bigger pucker factor than the famous Gate. If ya wanna try it but are afraid, have a cable with a little slack hooked up right from the beginning.

The ones that flipped ... Jeep was a local gal in CO, she took her eyes off the spotter for one second and by the time she looked back it was nothing but blue sky and then panic set in.

The canadian buggy, he went to far to the right (if you are driving) and then turned into the hill to pull back out. That works on flat ground but when its a 45 degree angle it made him walk out of the crack and roll.

The X was me years ago and my back tire pealed off the wall and without a front locker (then) I couldn't pull myself back on track. Back rear quarter bashed the wall... didn't bother me though.

I post this for a few reasons...* Most people have to drive their rigs back* Winch line wont reach until you are half way up* Winches are too slow to drive attached and just get pulled under* If the driver Fudges up, doesnt concentrate, panics there is a good chance you are not driving it home* If you peal off the wall you are not going to get going again so you are now parked on your brakes... guess what happens when your parked on your brakes while the winch is pulled down.... the fluid heats up and you WILL creep backwards hopefully you got really good fluid * Oh and I gaurantee for most folks sitting there seeing nothing but blue sky while the truck makes creaking sounds your foot will start to shake on the brake pedal... trust me this is not good.* hooking up a winch line can be the worst if the foot is shaking or the truck is shifting due to hot brake fluid, I have had one truck pop back on the line a second after hooking it up then having that line pop right net to my ear like a guitar string* goneMOAB is the ONLY event that has not rolled a truck in there* on average a rig rolls in there every 2-3 weeks from April on* if someone rolls it in there then I will have to deal with the BLM, police and probably our event insurance

So no I dont take this obstacle lightly, done right and well its easy as hell <rimshot>. Unlike most obstacles where oh darn you will dent your rig if you screw up, lose a mirror or such this becomes a hazard for driver and recovery crew if done improperly.

Anybody going that may need a roommate? I would like to go but probably can only do just Sun, Mon and Tues night. I will most likely be solo, anybody got extra romm in a condo or something?

There's always people that have space in condo's. As the date gets closer keep checking the GONE website/forum for open beds. Have fun!

I have got 1 offer from sexy6chick, but thanks for the heads up, I will keep an eye on the forum as well.

ill talk to Dan(NizmoMclovin) on thenewx and see what he says about the couch or roll out bed but if your only staying for those 3 days i think if you buy dinner for the condo one night i think that would cover your cost ;D

Anybody going that may need a roommate? I would like to go but probably can only do just Sun, Mon and Tues night. I will most likely be solo, anybody got extra romm in a condo or something?

There's always people that have space in condo's. As the date gets closer keep checking the GONE website/forum for open beds. Have fun!

I have got 1 offer from sexy6chick, but thanks for the heads up, I will keep an eye on the forum as well.

ill talk to Dan(NizmoMclovin) on thenewx and see what he says about the couch or roll out bed but if your only staying for those 3 days i think if you buy dinner for the condo one night i think that would cover your cost ;D

Just checked the trail schedule again, gotta figure out what to run on Friday... the Friday blue is Tiptoe Through Hell, but if I'm running Hell's Revenge Thursday then I don't want to run the same trail twice in the week. Friday green is Fins, but that is Wed blue...

Steel Bender!

Never been to GoneMoab but looks like I will be able to make it out this year for Wed, Thurs and Fri. Looking at your schedules, I was thinking:

Wed: Fins N Things with MarcinThurs: Hells Revenge without the Gate I would sayFriday: Hmmm? Tip Toe through Hell or Steel Bender

Ben and Marcin is Hells Revenge and Tip Toe through Hell the same run? If not Ben then I say we do Tip Toe on Friday, What do you think? Marcin how difficult is Steel Bender, maybe do that if not to difficult for our 2 inch lifts and 285's? Also, Marcin what time does everybody usually meet up in the morning for the runs? I will be leaving my house to drive straight there so I am there in time for Fins N Things Wednesday morning, I just have to plan ahead for the drive time and such. Also meet up with my condo people, maybe before the run maybe after I don't know yet.

Just checked the trail schedule again, gotta figure out what to run on Friday... the Friday blue is Tiptoe Through Hell, but if I'm running Hell's Revenge Thursday then I don't want to run the same trail twice in the week. Friday green is Fins, but that is Wed blue...

Steel Bender!

Never been to GoneMoab but looks like I will be able to make it out this year for Wed, Thurs and Fri. Looking at your schedules, I was thinking:

Wed: Fins N Things with MarcinThurs: Hells Revenge without the Gate I would sayFriday: Hmmm? Tip Toe through Hell or Steel Bender

Ben and Marcin is Hells Revenge and Tip Toe through Hell the same run? If not Ben then I say we do Tip Toe on Friday, What do you think? Marcin how difficult is Steel Bender, maybe do that if not to difficult for our 2 inch lifts and 285's? Also, Marcin what time does everybody usually meet up in the morning for the runs? I will be leaving my house to drive straight there so I am there in time for Fins N Things Wednesday morning, I just have to plan ahead for the drive time and such. Also meet up with my condo people, maybe before the run maybe after I don't know yet.

Thanks for the info guys,

Sunny

Yes Hells Revenge and Tip Toe are the same, except one has the optional obstacles and the other will bypass them and not even stop. If you are armored then Steel Bender you should be fine, take a look at the vehicle requirements, Steel Bender is rated a 5 this year, 32 inch tires and sliders are the only requirement, but use your judgement. I think you should be fine, but its your rig.

Departure times vary per trail and they will be listed in your sign up packet. Fins since I am leading it and its already looking like a huge group we are going to start at 0800. Its roughly a 12 hour drive to Moab from Phoenix.

Maybe I can change my days to the beginning of the week, what time are you guys leaving flagstaff that Sunday morning to head up? Maybe I can meet you all there and drive the rest of the way up with you all, I dont know, I'm just trying to figure out the best for me since I will be driving solo.

Thanks Marcin, sorry so many questions, I've never been so just trying to plan it out, you said it's roughly a 12 hour drive fom Phx but when I map it on Google and MSN it show's 7.5-8.25hrs of drive time, what makes it more like 12hrs? I would be leaving say at 11p-12p and driving straight there so virtually no traffic, what do you think?

Sunny, look up 'Steel Bender, The Drop' on youtube. There's a stock front bumper X with a 2" lift doing it so I figure if he did that trail, then I will challenge myself and do it also. But after you watch that video, you'll see we 100% will need a rad skid... ;)

What about the drive, any thoughts on that, now that I've talked to a few people they say driving through the Indian Res at night maybe not a good idea, is it truly a 12 hour trip or more like what google maps is saying, 7.5-8.25hrs?

If you're driving at night through the res pack heat! We were in a caravan and stopped a few times and took our time. Driving all night and then a trail plus the after hours activities you'll be exhausted. But it's you and I don't know if you are up for being up that long.

Sunny, look up 'Steel Bender, The Drop' on youtube. There's a stock front bumper X with a 2" lift doing it so I figure if he did that trail, then I will challenge myself and do it also. But after you watch that video, you'll see we 100% will need a rad skid... ;)

Skids and sliders are strongly recommended on Steel Bender. There is a section called Rubble Trouble (sp??) that will be absolutely no fun without armor.

As with any trails, the trail leaders have the right to turn away any trucks that are not equipped for the trail (for example, they would never allow a stock truck on any Black trails). In fact, they did turn away one stockish truck from Steel Bender last year.

Phoenix to Moab is 8-9 hours with stops for gas and lunch...in a SAS'd 1st gen on 35" tires, loaded with gear & beer for a week ;)

So driving straight through and basically just stopping for gas it can be done in 8 hours, correct? Thats what its sounding like to me, I dont own a gun and as long as I dont break down, I should be ok going through the Res or do some crazy maybe drinking indians stop people and cause problems? I dont know, I have never driven through there, so I'm trying to figure out if it's a good or bad idea, maybe I won't be able to make it this year.

Phoenix to Moab is 8-9 hours with stops for gas and lunch...in a SAS'd 1st gen on 35" tires, loaded with gear & beer for a week ;)

So driving straight through and basically just stopping for gas it can be done in 8 hours, correct? Thats what its sounding like to me, I dont own a gun and as long as I dont break down, I should be ok going through the Res or do some crazy maybe drinking indians stop people and cause problems? I dont know, I have never driven through there, so I'm trying to figure out if it's a good or bad idea, maybe I won't be able to make it this year.

You can make it through fine, just keep an eye out for stumbling people on the road. I almost hit someone on the res back in school driving through at night. 8 hours should be doable if you drive it straight through. If you do stop for gas make sure its a well lit gas station and such. Basic common sense I guess.

Why is everyone so afraid of the res? We cruised thru there no problem during the day both ways. Stopped at Sonic for lunch, I bought some stray dogs some footlong hot dogs, gased the rigs, and took off.

Yeah, I think if I do it, I will have to plan ahead and call ahead and find gas stations open 24 hours because my X is only getting about 265 miles on a full tank, so after filling up in Flagstaff I will still need 1 more gas top off from there to Moab. Like you said plan ahead and I should be able to do it just a matter of will I or not, driving at night by myself, hmmmm?

Yeah, I think if I do it, I will have to plan ahead and call ahead and find gas stations open 24 hours because my X is only getting about 265 miles on a full tank, so after filling up in Flagstaff I will still need 1 more gas top off from there to Moab. Like you said plan ahead and I should be able to do it just a matter of will I or not, driving at night by myself, hmmmm?

If you don't you will regret it. Ted and I had the same conclusion about Moab last year when it was our first time. Yeah we will go and see what this is about and after a day into we were already talking about next year. It is something that must be done. You will have the time of your life out there.