Friday, August 21, 2009

EXCLUSIVE: Russia Formalises Su-35 Offer To India

After mentioning India last July among three countries to which the Sukhoi Su-35 would be pitched for export, sources reveal that Rosoboronexport has now formalised an offer to the Indian government. The United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) is understood to have conveyed officially to the Indian government just days ahead of the MAKS 2009 aero-show at Zhukovsky that India has the option of purchasing 16-20 Su-35 fighters -- about a squadron's worth. According to the offer, the production would be prioritised along with the Russian order for 48 jets, a deal that was finally struck once the show opened, but had obviously been finalised many weeks ago. The air forces of Brazil and Venezuela are also considering options with involving unspecified numbers of the Su-35. More details soon.

Shiv, Su 35 for what ?? How does that fit into the IAF long term plans ?? From what i've been reading the IAF in about 10 years would be: LCA Mk 2 (200-220); MMRCA (180-200); FGFA (180-200) and HCA (Su 30MKI-2 upgraded)(220-230). IAF finally seems to have a longterm plan...........with no knee jerk procurements.

Instead of 16 aircrafts, just get 126 Su-35 as part of MRCA. Wile physically a 'large' aircraft, it is going to be cheaper to acquire and maintain than western fighters, while being more capable than either Mig-35 or Gripen NG.

Let us standardize around Su-30 and Su-35 as far as airframe is concerned, and focus our attention on ammunition and sensor development.

We have experience in customizing su30 mki to one of the best . Su-35 also should be modified according our needs , India need to place fastrack orders for atleast 5 sqn's to avoid serious deplection in IAF sqn level. India has canceled Howitzer deal ,its easy to cancel all what we need to save our motherland . which we already faces high deplection & unpreparedness .India need to place fastrack orders in Howitzer .

China has manufacturing MBRL ( 350 mm with 140 km & 180 km range two variants to attack india at any moment , but india seems to care very cool like 1962 again. India should try to place order or manufacture MBRL longer range with high playload in fastrack base .

Agree on Standardization/100% need of the hour........but all eggs in one basket ?? Look at delays/technical issues with the Mig 29 upgrade/also look at perpetual spare part problems; Somewhere over the years it seems to have been decided to go 50:50 with Russian equipment and Western/Israeli equipment: look at the Navy or Army, same logic.

Very Sensible as SU35BM can be maintained and supported by the existing SU30MKI infrastructure. A good way arrest the declining numbers for IAF. Advanced avionics and airframe ensures that Su35BM remains the top dog sukhoi for now.

"If India really needs to be screwed left, right and centre, by all means acquire as many Russian junks as possible."

Hello vincent बेटा, how are you doing today? Have you met the daily troll quota yet? Hurry up, or your employers will cut your pizza budget and you will burn some of that extra 100 kilo fat you carry as 'famine reserve' on your body.

These are all last ditch offers from the ruskies. The ruskies are sweating SUs & MIGs since they realise that Uncle Sam is fast invading their turf. You've killed enough of my brothers with your substandard MIGs you vodka stinking SOBs, now go sell your crap to the Pakis. Guys, go through past history and you'll realise that it's the western stuff which has always saved our balls when it mattered - Hunters, Gnats, Mirages, Bofors... you name it.

What makes you think that a Russian Su-27 series or modification, using Russian weapons and Russian-influenced training and at Russian rates of availability (most or less for India), is evidently, with evidence, the best 4th gen fighter in the world today and can outfight the American teen series?

In terms of air victories, there is none. The only planes the Su-27 has shot down are mainly Mig-29s. There is no evidence that the Su-27 with its RCS is better at BVR than American 4th gen planes. In WVR, is there any evidence that with each plane playing to its strength, which is obviously the case, the Su-27 can definitively defeat the teen series? Is it not the case that WVR is a bloody and uncertain bloodbath and that most planes shot down in dogfight situations do not see the planes that shot them down?

Surely the Indians are not such farm-bred simpletons as to base their opinions on air show maneuvers. Surely not, but I am increasingly concerned.

I think that some of you need to eat some animal protein to sharpen your mind.

SU-35 is a big plane bigger than SU-30 MKI the only reason that one can purchase it, there was a simulation dogfight conducted by RAF it shows that 1 Rafale = 1 SU-35 and 1 Euofighter = 2 su 35 we need PAK-FA 50 not SU-35 well if they want to give it as a gift for delaying Graskov and other price esclation issue its fine we will take 16 for no money

don't even understand how anyone can propose to buy a squadron of this or a squadron of that. shows no understanding of the needs of a real airforce and notions of efficiency & cost effectiveness. besides any lack of strategic thinking and vision. Your just buying a basket of eggs - u need to use them for the next 30-50 years!! and thats without taking into account delays in selecting an aircraft!

Government has already finalised F18 hornet as the aircraft.The test flights are an enormous waste of money and time. The Russians also have their political goodwill and this may be an additional balm to smothen ruffled weathers when F18 is finalised.

And Vincent should know that the way Americans 'subtantiate' their warplanes is by waging war on countries at the slightest of a pretext...then taking out virtually the entire air force (on the ground) by surprise, air defences and command centers etc. of that country by using 1000s of tomahawks etc...and then asking their fighter planes to patrol the skies and then saying nobody can challenge our planes....look how good our yanki planes are!!...when there is no plane, SAM etc. left in the country u invaded to challenge you won't u find it easy to say that?....

btw, india can't replicate Americans coz India does have a trillion dollar defence budget like the yanks....we have to make do with limited resources and so even used laser guided bombs in kargil sparingly....to save them for a bigger war....

...india can't use weapons to 'prove' they work....only the rich yanks can afford that.

Precision guided weapons actually save money. If you can hit a bunker with one bomb, you save on:

1. Repeated fuel-guzzling flights to deliver dumb bombs2. Opportunity costs of future attacks, such as missing out on other targets.3. Danger of getting shot down rises exponentially with more attacks.4. Costs of more bombs and maintenance5. Indians praising Kargil as a stunning victory when they lost more men in 1999 than the entire Coalition army in Iraq in 1991.

That's why when a Copperhead precision artillery shell at $30,000 costs 100 times more than a normal shell, the Americans still use it.

Even if a copperhead was 100000000000000 times more expensive than a normal shell, the Americans still use it....since they have money coming out of their ass.

also, india lost many soldiers in kargil coz the infantry didnt have body armour etc....becuase of the fucking politicians...and also coz we used air support very sparingly for political and cost reasons..

let the fuckin yankee mountain division (now pissing in afghanistan) come to kargil..take off their body armour....and try to achieve what the indian army did...with only little air support..and see how many yanks die.....

as usual vincent talks shit...but he never gets tired of it...amazing.

yes vincent...'when they can stamp repeatedly on your face from above'....let the yanks keep 'stamping' and killing hundreds of civilians as collateral damage...like the israelis did in gaza...that approach will surely win hearts and minds of the insurgents....and win the war.

Some points vincent is trying to make is worthy of being considered. Lets not make this a conflict between two countries, but rather a debate on su-35 offer to india. Under the current circumstances it would not be viable for India to go for that aircraft coz india already has the same level of fighter in the su-30 MKI. and above all 16 planes would not be much useful as a single squadron of a kind of aeroplane will be much expensive to maintain.

Enough of wasting our tax payers money to buy Russian junk. Kick the devil out of the country & ban all dealings with the so called Italian arms dealers aka mafia dons. Allow private sector and 100% foreign investment for defense manufacturing in india and create jobs in our country you fools.