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Myths About Camber

– I can make a Mo Bamba song. All I would have to do is do like, (lips buzzing)
(bass-heavy music) and then somebody in the
background that’s like, (indistinct yelling) it’s mumble rap, right? I could do it. So hey guys what’s going on, it’s Alex from Fitment Industries and
we are talking about camber again because the last
time we talked about camber we had Elon Musk in the house discussing some of the basic fundamentals of camber and a lot of you guys in the
comments section were like, “Yeah, that’s kinda cool
but you kinda need to “talk about the function and
the fancy versions of camber and the technical, and all that stuff.” (relaxed rhythmic beat)
And we kinda saw a lot of people arguing back and forth about what camber is and what camber isn’t and what it’s for and what it’s not for and what people use it for, and what people want you
to think you use it for. So today we’re going to be
talking about some of the myths about cambered wheels and
just camber in general. So before we get started,
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Silver’s, we’re getting into it. So the first method you’re gonna go into when you talk about camber
is that people will say is that camber is the
number one killer of tires in the world and let’s
talk into specifics. When it goes into excessive camber, yes, camber can essentially damage your tires it can have excessive wear on a single point of the tire
versus the rest of the tire but that is not ultimately true. A lot of times you’ll
actually see toe destroy tires a lot easier and a lot
faster than camber ever will. A lot of times a little
bit of camber won’t actually hurt a tire that much, depending on the overall
function of the vehicle. So, if case you didn’t know
a lot of people try to do around negative three degrees
of camber for track use. And what that essentially
does is it helps counteract rolling during high speed turns. What happens is because of
the force it’ll straighten out the wheel and then when you
go back into the straights it’ll put the wheels back
at the slanty boy style. But three degrees really is nothing really slanty boy about it, but at the end of the day it’s actually for a
functional point of view. A lot of people go into excess
camber to fit wide wheels under stock fenders, or over fenders, and as a result a lot of
people that don’t like cambered vehicles will ultimately say
that it damages their tires to an excessive point of view, and it does but not as bad
as what you would think. Unless it’s an extreme, extreme, extreme. You probably see toe damage
can take out a lot more tires than camber ever will because
of just the amount of force that the tire has to go
through with incorrect toe versus an aggressive amount of camber. Another myth about cambered wheels and just camber in general
is people that do have slanty wheels will say that it has function. And I would say that it does
have a little bit of function if the car is being seen on the race track or if it is being seen on any sort of parking lot for autocross. But at the end of the day a
lot of times when you’re going to see slanty wheels,
especially on the road today, you’re not gonna see it for any functioning purpose whatsoever. It is 100% an aesthetic thing. It’s an aesthetic point of
view to get big lips, concave wheels to fit under bodies, under fenders, or I’m sorry, overfenders
and things like that. It’s not really going to be anything that’s meant for function. In fact, when you do have
a lot of excessive camber you’re going to see that
actually go away if it’s on an air suspension vehicle because
the wheels will straighten up once the vehicle is aired up. So if you hear a lot of
people that have negative ten or negative twelve degrees
of camber talking about how they have Battle Arrow
and it’s for the track they’re just straight up
lying to you on their IG feed. It’s just not something
that has a whole lot of function and use to it. But that’s okay, there’s not
a lot of people out there that are going to be
using their actual vehicle for a full track built use. So we won’t nag on you guys
too much if you’re using something to make it look
like it’s for the track if you don’t always use it for the track. But don’t try to assume that
if you have a camber setup that you’re gonna be able
to fool many people into saying it’s actually for
function use because it’s not. Another myth is that camber
can be adjusted with just camber plates and after you
put the plates on you just put those things to max
and you just pray that your wheels fit, and that’s not true either. There’s a lot that can go
into actually setting up your camber for your vehicle. A lot of times when we talk
about alignment we talk about camber, we talk about
caster, we talk about toe. And there’s a lot of other
things that go into adjusting camber and toe and all the
things that make your vehicle feel right when it comes
down to going down the road. If you’re just going in and
throwing in camber plates to make your car slanty boy you’re
not gonna have a good time. Because there’s a lot of things that you can do with your vehicle
that will essentially allow you to get the camber you need. Maybe to fit those wide
wheels into your car, if you’re really looking
to go for a static stance, or a slammed look, that you’ll
have to also do in addition to just your camber plates. There’s a lot of suspension
components that will actually help you in
terms of adjustable plates and things like that that will
get you the necessary camber without essentially maxing anything out. And at the same time you’ll
have a better ride quality because you’ll essentially
be making the camber effective throughout the
entire suspension component instead of just one specific
part that you bought on Ebay for 90 dollars. So we would recommend that if you’re gonna go into doing that look. The whole stance, the whole cambered look, the whole static look. If that is your thing, we
recommend that you do it right, and actually go into figuring
out what parts you need and what upgrades you need to make happen so that when you end up doing that you don’t end up with a very terrible ride with your wheels going all over the place inside your fenders, and of
course, ultimately ending up damaging everything from
your lips, to your fenders, to your tires, to your inner wheel wells, and everything in between. Because, when dialed in
correctly, even when you do an excessive amount of camber,
which we will say is like six to ten degrees, you can
actually still run a good chunk of that negative camber
when dialed in correctly and experience not a whole
lot of, well I guess, terrible driving experiences. Now, there are people that
are gonna get mad that we’re saying that, but at the end
of the day, there are people that build their car for
form, there are people that build their car for function,
and there are people that build their car for the track. If you’re one of those people
that are building it for the looks, that’s fine
go do whatever you want, it’s your car, you’re
free to, it’s your car. (relaxed rhythmic music)
But if you’re going to do that we usually recommend that you do it right. And that would go with any
sort of build that you’re trying to do, whether
it’s for form or function, is to do it right the first time. And if you need help, in
terms of building on a budget, or just building a car in general, you can check out our other
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And probably one of the final myths I would say about
camber is the fact that it ultimately only originated in Japan. Now if you guys didn’t know
the Japanese car culture is probably predominately the
single biggest hub of people doing crazy, creative,
wonky, sh** that you could potentially imagine to their cars. Japanese culture has a way of doing very just different styles. You see that with Bosozoku style, you see that with whole different like I would say Inuyasha, but that’s an anime and I can’t remember
what the actual term is. There’s like a lot of
things that come out of the Japanese culture that a
lot of people in the United States pick up and ultimately run with because they think it’s cool. It’s the same reason that
people overseas in Europe think Mustangs are cool. Right, so when you’re
looking at a lot of culture things that are bringing
into the United States, people think that a
lot of cambered styling comes from Japan, and well
the excessive side of camber definitely does, there
actually is a lot of play in terms of where the
camber culture came from in the So Cal area, just as
much as it came from overseas. You have to remember that
excessive camber in terms of the wheels actually doing one of these is something that did come from Japan, and there’s a specific
style of excessive camber that came out of that culture. But there’s not a lot
of people that do that as much here in the United States. Instead it’s much more of an overfendered, heavy excessive camber culture, but not something that
is absolutely ridiculous. It’s more of something
that’s a play on a highly modified stance, static
vehicle for car shows. So, it’s something that
actually came from the So Cal culture and it’s
something that has came in from a lot of other places
in the United States. You’ve seen a lot of growth
coming from a lot of the Slammedenuff, Stoopicold, Gatlingburg things like that where people
are consistently pushing the envelope in terms of a creative build. And that is ultimately
feeding its own culture of creating something new and different. And a lot of the cambered
vehicles and camber in general that’s going onto vehicles
especially in today’s day and age is because of people
doing that for these shows. And doing things for these
different community events. You do see camber on the
track and we’re definitely not gonna take wind or anything
away from the fact that camber does have a function purpose. And that’s a myth in of
itself is that camber does have a functional purpose but not a lot of people
know how to use it. Camber has a very specific
fundamental purpose in terms of the alignment of the vehicle as well as high performance driving when you’re on the track, but if you just plan on
bringing it to negative six degrees of camber and
ripping around the track and praying that you’re
gonna have more traction you’re definitely doing it wrong. Camber has a specific purpose and if you’re not utilizing it correctly you’ll ultimately result
in less traction path than more traction path around the turns and you’ll find yourself
wiping out a lot more often. If you want tips on how to
actually measure for camber you can let us know in
the comment section below where we can kind of teach you
a couple things about that, if you do plan on setting up your car for the performance setup. But we today were talking mostly about the car show guys and the cambered setups that they’re running
with their wide wheels and their stock fenders or overfenders. Do you think we missed a myth? Let us know in the comment section below. Those are a couple things that
we’re hearing from you guys and we wanted to clear the air. So if you’re looking for
wheels, tires, suspension, hit up fitmentindustries.com and of course don’t forget to subscribe. I’m Alex from Fitment Industries again, we will see you later. Peace.