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The man in my avatar may have killed two innocent teenagers Abigail Williams and Liberty German. If you know who he is Please call the tip line. There is a reward of $250,000 - Tel- 844.459.5786 or email: abbyandlibbytip@cacoshrf.com

The dead cannot cry out for justice. It is a duty of the living to do so for them. Lois McMaster Bujold.

The incident occurred shortly after 14h between Buchs and Altstätten. In an attack on a train Südostbahn a 27-year-old Swiss injured himself and six others, some of them seriously. The cantonal police confirmed to BLICK that several victims are in critical condition.

According to Bruno Metzger, the police spokesman on the spot, the perpetrator doused a woman on the train with methylated spirits and put a fire to the liquid. He also injured other passengers with a knife.

BBM

One would expect this in India of Bangladesh, not on a train in Switzerland on its way to Liechenstein.

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity ~ Hanlon's Razor

Mr. Krüsi, can you already say something about the motive for the deed in Salez, St. Gallen?
Hanspeter Krüsi: No, impossible. All have been injured. The offender injured himself seriously, a victim also very seriously. We currently have nothing. There is no evidence in either direction.

Can you rule out a terrorist background?
As I said, we do not have anything. There is no claim of responsibility, nothing. This event has appeared out of nothing.

Is the seriously injured victim the child? No.

Does police know more about the perpetrator?
Again, we are at the very beginning. He is a 27-year-old Swiss with a typical Swiss name. We must now retrace everything. This may take several days. Just one example: if find out we that among the victims was his ex-girlfriend, reality looks quite different, from what many my think now.

How did the police overpower the man?The train driver has responded very well. He could even steer the train into the station, which made the work easier for firefighters and for us. A passenger grabbed the the accused ans pulled him out of the train. The accused was on fire. When we arrested him, he could no longer defend himselfs. He was burning heavily.
Did he douse himself with the liquid?
We do not know that, yet.

What type of liquid was it?
We are busy in to find out.

Was the train burning too?
It has black marks everywhere, it was not in full fire.

BBM

Last edited by ZaZara; 08-13-2016 at 03:30 PM.

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity ~ Hanlon's Razor

The village of Salez in SG is in shock. In the afternoon, a man attacked several passengers on a train. A villager was among the first at the station when the train of the Südostbahn arrived. "From the doors came there a lot of smoke," the witness describes. Some people were already outside and gasped for air. Others were accompanied out of the train by firefighters with breathing masks.

The villager asked what happened. "I've heard that a man poured inflammable liquid over a woman and then stabbed her," he tells. Then the man allegedly attacked even more people. "I saw three helicopters and several ambulances transporting the injured."

What is particularly affecting the readers: Also among the injured is a child.
"The girl's backpack was lying on the floor in the front of the train." The condition of one person, he estimates to be very critical. Apparently rescuers fought long for the woman's life. "It was only after about an hour that she was apparently transportable and could be airlifted to the hospital."

The attack took place shortly before the Salez Station. "Fortunately, the train could stop shortly after the attack. Otherwise the outcome would surely have been even worse."

BBM

The motive is still unclear.
It is still unknown why the knifeman boarded the train and if knew any of his victims.
The Swiss Federal Department of Justice and Police (FDJP) is involved, a clear sign that a terror-related attack is one of the options.
The Federal Department of Justice and Police (FDJP) deals with issues such as asylum, crime and internal security.

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity ~ Hanlon's Razor

The attacker carried at least one knife and inflicted stab wounds and cuts on some victims. He also suffered cuts himself. "We do not know if he has inflicted these deliberately," Krüsi commented on the emerging rumors that the perpetrator had wanted to commit suicide.

The police do not want to comment on a possible crime of passion or a terrorist background. "The motive we will only hear from the perpetrator," says Krüsi. Already on Saturday night a search was carried out at the home of the knifeman. So far, no claim of responsibility, no suicide note, no announcement of the act has been found. "Maybe we'll find something, we are working on it with a large police contingent," Krüsi says. About the attacker, he only says: "The 27-year-old is Swiss, does not come from St.Gallen and lives in a neighboring canton."

All of the victims are from Rheintal, a district of Sankt Gallen.

BBM

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity ~ Hanlon's Razor

In the light of the train attack in Würzburg many immediately think that this is a terrorist attack. Do you know anything about the motives of the perpetrator?

[ Hanspeter Krüsi ] Two years ago nobody would have thought of terror. Today, after the events of recent months, it is understandable. We do not exclude it either. However, there is no evidence of a terrorist background. There is also no evidence of a politically motivated act or of a relationship offense. About the motive of the perpetrator nothing is currently known.

BBM

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity ~ Hanlon's Razor

On Saturday (08.13.2016), after 14:15 hrs, it is on the train route between Buchs and Sennwald, an incident happened shortly before Salez Station. Seven people were injured, some seriously. The cantonal police of St.Gallen reported this. To dispel rumors, we summarize the events (as of Sunday morning) and the repeatedly asked questions.

There are still five people in the hospital. According to doctors, the injuries of the alleged offender, the 34-year and 17-year-old woman, and meanwhile also of the 6-year-old child, are considered serious.

The alleged 27-year-old defendant lives in a neighboring canton of St.Gallen. His home was searched. The results are part of the criminal proceedings and therefore not public. The motive is still unclear. No motive can be identified at the moment. Therefore, investigations go in all directions. The man is not listed as a criminal with the cantonal police St.Gallen nor in his home canton. In Swiss Criminal Register no record of him exists.

The act was taped on video in the train. On this video it can be seen how the accused, armed with a knife, was pouring a flammable liquid. Because the liquid took fire and because of the knife, five passengers and the accused himself were injured. A helper who was on the platform, was injured when he tore the burning perpetrator out of the train. Because of the video footage on the train, we believe for the moment that there was a single perpetrator. The detailed processes indeed are the subject of ongoing investigations, respectively of the "perpetrators knowledge". In order not to jeopardize the ongoing criminal case, this can not be communicated.

The liquid, which was used as an fire accelerator is being analyzed by the Department of Forensic Chemistry and Technology of the police of the Canton of St.Gallen. Forensics on the train has been carried out by forensic service of the cantonal police St.Gallen. The involved part of the train has been secured by the Prosecutor St.Gallen.

The affected train tracks are in normal use since Saturday evening, 2100 AM.

BBM

So everything seems to be unclear, except that it happened. Police appear even cautious about there being a sole perpetrator, and the inflammable liquid is a mystery. I read in other press reports that it is not clear if the perp put fire to the liquid or if it caught fire by itself. Has someone been doodling with a chemistry set, or did he buy it on the darknet?

PS I propose that this thread be moved to Rampage Killing & Terrorist Attacks ~ IMHO it is a lucky coincidence that all victims are still alive.

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity ~ Hanlon's Razor

Thanks ZaZara and everyone for your news posts about yet another senseless tragedy. I wonder if we will ever know his motives perhaps he was mentally ill.

The man in my avatar may have killed two innocent teenagers Abigail Williams and Liberty German. If you know who he is Please call the tip line. There is a reward of $250,000 - Tel- 844.459.5786 or email: abbyandlibbytip@cacoshrf.com

The dead cannot cry out for justice. It is a duty of the living to do so for them. Lois McMaster Bujold.

The woman who died had received a large portion of the flammable liquid over her, leading to speculation she might have been the main target of the attack.

But police spokesman Bruno Metzger said he could not confirm that, and another police spokesman Hanspeter Kruesi told AFP late Saturday it did not appear that the attack was directed at a single person.

BBM

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity ~ Hanlon's Razor