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Re: Nene wants out, Pacers one of teams mentioned

Does anyone know the numbers on this alleged max deal anyway? I'm not sure.

The numbers aren't pretty.

Nene has 9 years of experience, so he qualifies for 30% of cap max (unlike LeBron, etc who at the time were limited to 25% of cap). That means his salary can start at $16,324,500 going by Larry Coon's numbers.

Thus, the maximum that the Pacers or an s&t team could offer Nene is 4 years, $70m, for an average of $17.5m. The maximum that Denver could offer is 5 years, $95m, or an average of $19m.

I hope we're all agreed that those numbers are ridiculous for Nene, best FA available or not. So if the bidding gets anywhere near this territory, I hope we drop out fast.

EDIT: ninja'd by Speed My numbers are a little off from Tom Ziller's, but not by much

Last edited by wintermute; 11-29-2011 at 02:31 PM.
Reason: edited to respond to earlier post

Re: Nene wants out, Pacers one of teams mentioned

There's just something not right about us paying max money to get Nene while people on ESPN are already saying CP3 will take less than max to go to New York. I understand that we don't have a shot at most if any of the big names, but then we get relegated to overpaying for above average middle aged role players?

Re: Nene wants out, Pacers one of teams mentioned

There's just something not right about us paying max money to get Nene while people on ESPN are already saying CP3 will take less than max to go to New York. I understand that we don't have a shot at most if any of the big names, but then we get relegated to overpaying for above average middle aged role players?

Well, we don't have to.

From what Mike Wells says, Pacers are going to be cautious in FA market. So hopefully we don't end up overpaying anyone, Nene or West or whoever else.

Re: Nene wants out, Pacers one of teams mentioned

David West(notes) has a message for any NBA teams looking to sign an elite power forward when the free-agent market opens on Dec. 9: If you pass on him because of concerns about his surgically repaired left knee, you’ll regret it.

One of the more productive players at his position in recent years, West tore his left anterior cruciate ligament late last season. West, 31, says his knee feels strong and he’s progressed to playing with some contact.

“I’m glad they’re doubting me,” West told Yahoo! Sports. “I am going to shock folks. I have not stopped working. No vacations. No family time. No chilling. I have not worked this hard or as consistent in any point of my career, college or pro.”

West has played his entire NBA career with the New Orleans Hornets. But while the Hornets are interested in re-signing him, West plans to assess all his free-agent options. The franchise’s future is uncertain for two reasons: The NBA still is looking for an owner for the Hornets; and All-Star guard Chris Paul(notes) could end up being traded if New Orleans fears he’ll leave as a free agent at the end of next season.

“Basically, I’m looking at the best option for the next few years of my career,” West said. “I want to win. … I’m really going to look at every option closely and make a well thought-out decision.”

West probably won’t have to think for too long. Free agency figures to be fast and furious as teams try to quickly fill out their rosters after the lockout officially ends. The amnesty provision in the new collective bargaining agreement – which allows teams to waive one player and remove his contract from their salary cap – also could put some more players on the market. And some general managers wonder if former NBA players Wilson Chandler(notes), J.R. Smith(notes), Aaron Brooks(notes) and Kenyon Martin(notes) can find a way to get out of their guaranteed contracts in China. If so, several GMs said to expect strong interest in Chandler.

Until then, however, here’s a look at 15 of the top free agents, regardless of whether they’re unrestricted (U) or restricted (R). Teams will have three days to match any offer sheet made to their restricted free agents.

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Re: Nene wants out, Pacers one of teams mentioned

I think we need to look where we would be in 4 years after Nene's contract ends if we sign him to the max. 4 years is not too long. Nene will be 33, which should be near the end of him prime. I'm not sure he is the perfect solution since you will have to pay the max, but I can't think of anything better (realistically), even next year. I'm joining the camp of get him at all costs, since "all costs" is only a 4 year commitment and we have the funds available right now. I think we will be contenders in years 2, 3 and 4 of his contract with him.

I think this needs broken down further for a year-by-year analysis. If signing him means we can't afford to keep George and Hibbert, then my opinion changes.

Re: Nene wants out, Pacers one of teams mentioned

I persoanlly, would rather sign West or save our money. The FA class next year is where we need to spend our money

Who do you think is going to sign with the Pacers next year? Dwill? nope, CP3? nope, Dhoward? I don't think so, I understand the feeling about paying a guy like Nene max money, but like I said before, the new deals are almost two years shorter making it easier for teams to trow max money.

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Okay...real easy question....between Tyson Chandler, Nene or Marc Gasol....IF the Pacers MUST sign a Big Man THIS SEASON and was forced to dole out a Near-MAX ( $14+ mil ) to MAX Contract for a Big Man....who would you ( reluctantly ) give one to if you were Larry Bird?

Re: Nene wants out, Pacers one of teams mentioned

Who do you think is going to sign with the Pacers next year? Dwill? nope, CP3? nope, Dhoward? I don't think so, I understand the feeling about paying a guy like Nene max money, but like I said before, the new deals are almost two years shorter making it easier for teams to trow max money.

Re: Nene wants out, Pacers one of teams mentioned

Okay...real easy question....between Tyson Chandler, Nene or Marc Gasol....IF the Pacers MUST sign a Big Man THIS SEASON and was forced to dole out a Near-MAX ( $14+ mil ) to MAX Contract for a Big Man....who would you ( reluctantly ) give one to if you were Larry Bird?

For me, it would be:

1 ) Tyson
2 ) Nene
3 ) Marc

Mines Marc, Nene and you would have to drag me kicking and screaming to give Tyson a max deal. All of these deals are vastly overpaying for the guys and I don't see Bird doing it.

Marc is by far the most complete player but he can't play PF which means you trade Hibby for a PF.

Re: Nene wants out, Pacers one of teams mentioned

Okay...real easy question....between Tyson Chandler, Nene or Marc Gasol....IF the Pacers MUST sign a Big Man THIS SEASON and was forced to dole out a Near-MAX ( $14+ mil ) to MAX Contract for a Big Man....who would you ( reluctantly ) give one to if you were Larry Bird?

For me, it would be:

1 ) Tyson
2 ) Nene
3 ) Marc

Gasol for the lone reason that he is the youngest.

I'm also not even worried about how he would play with Hibbert because I could flip Hibbert in a deal for Josh Smith or Eric Gordon or hell, even Monta Ellis.

Nene and Tyson aren't getting any better as players either. They are what they are.

Re: Nene wants out, Pacers one of teams mentioned

From what Mike Wells says, Pacers are going to be cautious in FA market. So hopefully we don't end up overpaying anyone, Nene or West or whoever else.

And after that when we don't get the one of these FAs that actually has a career year, the fans will turn on the Pacers for not doing anything in the FA market and wasting money we could have spent while not winning the championship that would have been guaranteed when we got the exact right one.

Pretty much doesn't matter what we do, it will turn out to be either cap hell or missing the perfect FA (or both).

BillS

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

Re: Nene wants out, Pacers one of teams mentioned

Who do you think is going to sign with the Pacers next year? Dwill? nope, CP3? nope, Dhoward? I don't think so, I understand the feeling about paying a guy like Nene max money, but like I said before, the new deals are almost two years shorter making it easier for teams to trow max money.

although not as likely

but who exactly said they wont come to Indiana?

hear it directly from CP3 or Dwight or D Will?

its not out of the realm of possibility, and I would persoanlly wait and take a chance next year than through a FA Center (Nene) a MAX contract when he will make us better defensively but is not a "Batman" to Danny's "Robin"

Re: Nene wants out, Pacers one of teams mentioned

You don't even get in the conversation with Nene without offering the max. Even then, another team almost certainly offers the same (I'm looking at you New Jersey) and he takes that offer if he doesn't just re-sign in Denver as he should.

I read this sort of thing in regards to Nene, and I always wonder the same thing.

Why?

What has he really done to deserve a max contract? I'm sorry, but I just don't see it at all.

Re: Nene wants out, Pacers one of teams mentioned

And after that when we don't get the one of these FAs that actually has a career year, the fans will turn on the Pacers for not doing anything in the FA market and wasting money we could have spent while not winning the championship that would have been guaranteed when we got the exact right one.

Pretty much doesn't matter what we do, it will turn out to be either cap hell or missing the perfect FA (or both).

David West won't put us over the cap and nor will Milsap. I haven't heard anyone claim that this years FA market would make us a contender. Its not wasting money if you don't spend it but I know where you are going with this and I just simply ignore the comments of fans with crazy expectations.

Re: Nene wants out, Pacers one of teams mentioned

With as much time as Gordon has spent in Indiana recently, I'm actually starting to buy into it. I saw him at the IU-Butler game on Sunday sitting next to a guy I went to high school with at Brebeuf. He's keeping his Indy connections strong that is definitely for sure.