I is new to the world of Guzzi.

Hey all.New member here. Just purchased 2012 v12 sport.And looks like I have to be "rollerised"! Was unaware until after purchase, but life sucks.Happy to be here though.

Pete RoperGRiSO Capo

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Subject: Re: I is new to the world of Guzzi. Wed Feb 22, 2017 12:40 pm

Yup, it sucks but if having to rollerise your niche brand Italian motorbike just after you've purchased it is the worst thing that ever happens to you you have to admit your life isn't too awful!

No, it shouldn't of happened and Piaggio should of handled it better and more fairly but they didn't and we're stuck with it.

In your case I think as long as you find a decent dealer you'll be a shoo-in for a kit.

Pete

Oz1200GuzziDon Abbondio

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Subject: Re: I is new to the world of Guzzi. Wed Feb 22, 2017 12:51 pm

D Kit, if I remember rightly. Oh and welcome

Pete RoperGRiSO Capo

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Subject: Re: I is new to the world of Guzzi. Wed Feb 22, 2017 1:26 pm

Depends Tony, he'll have to check the rocker covers. Early Sports have the 'Long' plug tube and use a 'C' kit. Later ones use the short plug tube and a 'D' kit. In my experience all of the bikes I've seen with ABS use a 'D' kit and non ABS bikes a 'C' kit but I hasten to add this is NOT definitive. Only way to be sure, (For a novice.) is to pull a rocker cover.

Pete

Oz1200GuzziDon Abbondio

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Subject: Re: I is new to the world of Guzzi. Wed Feb 22, 2017 2:55 pm

I sit corrected (too lazy to stand) Pete. I though all the Sports had the A7 Engine - does this come in variants too FFS?

PadstaDon Abbondio

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Subject: Re: I is new to the world of Guzzi. Wed Feb 22, 2017 9:13 pm

Can confirm it is the A7 motor. Does that make it the C kit?Thanks all for welcome!!Indeed it's a pain to have to do, in just now looking for the right person to do this for me.I'm in Cornwall if anyone can point me in the right direction?Was told there are a few v12 owners on this forum. I guess I need to navigate around.Cheers all.

Pete RoperGRiSO Capo

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Subject: Re: I is new to the world of Guzzi. Wed Feb 22, 2017 9:25 pm

All the 1200 motors are effectively the same. No need to be 1200 Sport specific, anyone who has had a good dealer experience re. Rollerisation in the UK should be taken as a good source.

As for which kit? As I said, pull a rocker cover and look. If you aren't sure take a pic of the inside and post it up. I'll tell you.

Pete

MrGPzGRiSO Capo

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Subject: Re: I is new to the world of Guzzi. Wed Feb 22, 2017 10:45 pm

Whatever you do, don't put on a pipe, PC-V, K&N Filter, then run it through an "approved" Power Commander Dyno. You could end up with a worn out tyre, a lot less money in your bank account and a bike that actually is worse than when you went in.Then you take it to get serviced, see a new GRiSO in the showroom, buy it on the spot and leave the Sport in the shop.don't ask me how i know...Have a look at Beetle mapping, it should save your a lot of $$$Would have liked to have been aware of this site, prior

NorthernProducerSfregiato

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Subject: Re: I is new to the world of Guzzi. Thu Feb 23, 2017 5:25 am

Welcome to the forum!

PadstaDon Abbondio

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Subject: Re: I is new to the world of Guzzi. Thu Feb 23, 2017 6:19 am

Thank you!

wardentmGRiSO Capo

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Subject: Re: I is new to the world of Guzzi. Thu Feb 23, 2017 4:36 pm

G'day PadstaWelcome from us all down under in Tasmania.Hope your flatties/rollers turn out ok for you, many have gone before you with successStay well

StreetGRiSO Capo

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Subject: Re: I is new to the world of Guzzi. Thu Feb 23, 2017 5:09 pm

Welcome, Padsta!

Bill HaganGRiSO Capo

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Subject: Re: I is new to the world of Guzzi. Thu Feb 23, 2017 5:23 pm

Street wrote:

Welcome, Padsta!

Ditto from the top of Virginia, though you seem a bit too mild-mannered, well-bred, stoic, good-humored, and philosophical to own a GRiSO, as most of us are ... erm ... not.

Best,

Bill

EricSBiondino

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Subject: Re: I is new to the world of Guzzi. Thu Feb 23, 2017 5:26 pm

From one newbie to another - welcome!

PadstaDon Abbondio

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Subject: Re: I is new to the world of Guzzi. Thu Feb 23, 2017 9:35 pm

Cheers for welcome all.Ha ha Bill, you ain't seen me! If looks could kill....I'm sure we're all meek in the eyes of God!

sidratGRiSO Capo

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Subject: Re: I is new to the world of Guzzi. Fri Feb 24, 2017 2:13 am

Pete Roper wrote:

All the 1200 motors are effectively the same. No need to be 1200 Sport specific.

Pete

Pete

Are the top ends the same for all 1200 motors? GRiSO, Sport, Norge, Stelvio and therefore they will all at some time or another need rollerising? I am in discussion with someone who thinks the 1200 sport motors have a slightly different top end and that they may not all be afflicted?

NobleswoodGRiSO Capo

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Subject: Re: I is new to the world of Guzzi. Fri Feb 24, 2017 3:38 am

[quote="Padsta"]

I'm in Cornwall if anyone can point me in the right direction?

Can any of the UK riders help a Brother out with a recommendation for a Dealer who knows what they are doing ?

sidratGRiSO Capo

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Subject: Re: I is new to the world of Guzzi. Fri Feb 24, 2017 4:29 am

Nobleswood wrote:

Padsta wrote:

I'm in Cornwall if anyone can point me in the right direction?

Can any of the UK riders help a Brother out with a recommendation for a Dealer who knows what they are doing ?

Mine was completed successfully by Twiggers in Loughborough, they may be a little far for you, but they successfully got new crankcases and crankshaft out of Piaggio when they did mine. They are no longer a Guzzi reseller, but are still a registered Guzzi repair centre. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Cheers

Pete RoperGRiSO Capo

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Subject: Re: I is new to the world of Guzzi. Fri Feb 24, 2017 8:31 am

sidrat wrote:

Pete Roper wrote:

All the 1200 motors are effectively the same. No need to be 1200 Sport specific.

Pete

Pete

Are the top ends the same for all 1200 motors? GRiSO, Sport, Norge, Stelvio and therefore they will all at some time or another need rollerising? I am in discussion with someone who thinks the 1200 sport motors have a slightly different top end and that they may not all be afflicted?

ALL the top ends of the 1200's are the same with only minor differences in cam profile in one or two models. Sorry, your pal is grasping at straws. If anything the Sports are seemingly hit harder than the other models with an earlier attrition rate.

People look at the camshaft part numbers and notice they changed. They then assume that this indicates a change in profile, it doesn't. The part numbers changed when the factory started shimming the cams for end float in a desperate attempt to quieten the top end down! The early motors made a terrible racket!

I've rollerised heaps of every model made, it doesn't matter if it's a GRiSO, Stelvio, Norge or Sport! The all shit themselves with gusto! No exceptions.

Pete

sidratGRiSO Capo

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Subject: Re: I is new to the world of Guzzi. Fri Feb 24, 2017 9:07 am

Thanks for the heads up Pete, i have passed on your message, i believe he has his head in the sand!

Pete RoperGRiSO Capo

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Subject: Re: I is new to the world of Guzzi. Fri Feb 24, 2017 12:45 pm

Imagine how I felt after stalwartly defending the flat tappet design for half a decade and then finding out the hard way that I'd been horribly wrong!

This is the problem. It isn't until the bitter end that the issue becomes 'Noticeable'. The degradation in performance is negligible until things get really bad and because idle is stepper controlled it will still idle satisfactorily even when things get quite bad! By the time the top end gets noisy all sorts of other damage may of occurred.

Nobody wants to find out their engine is a huge, smelly, turd but simply sticking one's fingers in ones ears and going 'La-La-La' very loudly and hoping that by some miracle *Your* bike is special is a recipe for disappointment and higher costs in the long run......

Pete

PadstaDon Abbondio

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Subject: Re: I is new to the world of Guzzi. Fri Feb 24, 2017 11:12 pm

Mines going on to dealer in Bodmin (Thor motorcycles) the chap seems to know what he's talking about. The weathers crap now, so a good time to be without her for a few weeks.

PadstaDon Abbondio

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Subject: Re: I is new to the world of Guzzi. Fri Feb 24, 2017 11:15 pm

Also it takes 40 odd seconds from start up for oil to reach the top end, this is more than likely the reason for quicker wear on cam etc,'.

Pete RoperGRiSO Capo

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Subject: Re: I is new to the world of Guzzi. Fri Feb 24, 2017 11:38 pm

If it takes 40 seconds for oil to reach the top end you have a serious problem. I have no idea who promulgates these ridiculous ideas but they are patent bollocks. If the cams were spinning for that length of time without oil to form a wedge they'd seize or flog out in no time at all. The cam lobes themselves sit in a weir that holds oil so absence of flow wouldn't harm them but the bearings would be dead in a few start ups if they were unlubricated.

On most bikes you can hear how long it takes for oil pressure to come up by listening to the tensioners rattle. Unless there is a serious problem like a blown out sump gasket the rattle lasts less than a second or two. The time the oil takes to get from the tensioner sump to the top end is about a finger snap longer than that.

You could try asking the genius who told you that one how the oil gets to the camboxes. If he says through the hoses that run to the backs of the heads? Thank him and take your bike elsewhere. The hoses only deliver the low pressure cooling oil. The lubricant comes up two of the head studs.

Pete

PadstaDon Abbondio

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Subject: Re: I is new to the world of Guzzi. Sat Feb 25, 2017 3:03 am

Seems nothing but conflicting information everywhere!I fail to believe anyone anymore . Obviously many are riding a wave of their on self preservation/ego/etc.Guess us all being spoon fed bullshit all our lives, it's hardly surprising!