That's why you have big shoulders. A nasty kind of compliment - Hey? The attackers of the movements against greed corruption and crime have never been able to accept the fact of a successful leaderless movement.

Ahemm....uh ..... should I salute or anything (?) since the opposition has seen fit to promote your contributions.

I sent some of the new names in, they were already banned, seems some of older folks have wieghed in, the "moles" I remember you ran into that too, I wonder if this was planned from the beginning or maybe they got a new boss in the Troll factory.

It has happened before to other good contributors. GirlFriday was a target of intense unrelenting attacks. They still go after her quite often. As well as others.

They need to discredit supporters as they really have nothing else with which to defend themselves ( the Greedy corrupt criminals ). The movements are hurting them - so they try to go after any perceived strength. To them any who have a high score - must be a leader - and so a target of opportunity in derailing the movements.

yes I saw the stuff on GirlFriday, vote her whenever I see her she does some of the serious work, not exactly concerned more interested in if there had been a new rush, I believe there has, as with most things, I doubt I'm the only one, I learned after I had invented MTV that many will have a good ideal, that can be reasuring

The attackers have been all over the forum the last few days and are making a resurgence again right now. They are frustrated desperate frothing at the mouth. The movements against greed corruption and crime must be making headway.

Not really, they just feed me the latest talking points so I can deconstruct them and show others how to responded, if they wish to, I see my role as that of blacksmith just making the weapons, it's your choice to use them. A number of the top posters are "under attack" it seems, I guess they must think people might be listening and they don't want the new people to find those of us that have been talking about things for a bit, let it play out a while I guess see how it goes.

I hope it does't get removed as anything slightly religious seems to be banned here. Anyway:

In The Bible once in seven years a Sabbath Year was introduced in which debts were forgiven (Deut. 15:1-18). Once in the fifty years there was a Jubilee (Lev. 25:8-55). In the Jubilee every man could return to his possession while the land had to be redeemed. The Bible also banned charging interest. The periodic debt forgiveness in The Bible was not unique as Mesopotamian royal edicts cancelled debts, freed debt-servants and restored land to cultivators who had lost it under economic duress.

It is often argued that periodic debt forgiveness, like a ban on interest charges will deprive people from needed credit. When there is a holding tax on money, this will not happen. The absence of a risk premium in the form of interest and periodical debt forgiveness will refrain potential creditors from letting debtors go too far into debt. It is also in the interest of the borrowers not to borrow more than they are able to repay. Therefore the absence of interest and the introduction of a recurrent debt forgiveness can be helpful in curtailing unwise lending.

The freedom advocated by the Covenant Code of Exodus, the septennial year of release in Deuteronomy and the Jubilee Year of Leviticus's Holiness Code were not just abstract literary ideas, but concrete legal practises freeing rural populations from debt servitude and the land from appropriation by foreclosures. It is therefore reasonable to assume that those concepts will still work well today. The creation of debt under a system of interest can be considered as fraud because new debts are needed to pay off the interest on existing debts, making debts grow exponentially. The current financial crisis therefore can be considered as the endgame of a system of fraud by usury.

It’s good to run across someone who is familiar with this, yes I don’t see it as a religious thing so much as a way for economic balance. I think the rulers of old saw it as a way to limit the power of the merchants. Our government today is under threat by the merchant class, only this time it’s not a King coming down, which might be good, it is our democracy, there are those who would want you to think the same way about it, our democrat government and a King so that they can sieze control for themselves and call it “freedom”.

Debt is the tool, used by the wealthy to control the masses, we must deal with that to be successful.

I don't agree that we have tried to inform the people, till now all information was filtered through someone with some "bank" with the internet that is no longer the case, i have pointed out a number of fundamental things that Al Franken though he knew of and agreed with refused to air on his show, some truths cannot be told in the mass media. So I believe this forum and perhaps others present an opportunity that has never been available before. I believe that people remember bumper stickers; I believe the truth is strong enough to be told simply, so that is where I do my work, simply telling the truth. I do think your concept has merits, I simply wish to fund the government with a property tax and pay off the national debt with the current trust funds as they pass at death, but I'm just looking for simple things.

To "DKAtoday": What we don't know with certainty yet is who's paying you and your accomplices to subvert this forum - ostensibly for the OWS defiant - to co-opt them back into the flock of Demopublican compliant. We are painfully aware that we will never turn the lambs responsible for "99%" of the postings here into lions. But for the sake of the 1 in 100 that MIGHT raise their woolly heads, open their eyes and grow a pair, we cannot allow partisan operatives like YOU to reassure them that voting for the lesser of two corporate-controlled evils is an "exercise in democracy". You are a traitor to everything OWS stands for, "DKAtoday". And when the time is right, your protective veil of anonymity will be lifted. It was pierced several days ago. In the interim, I suggest you Google the word "Quisling".

P.S. Getting your accomplices to "ban" us once or one thousand times will change nothing.

Well I did put my money on a similar bank but the core problem is interest on money and credit unions do not change much. It is simple mathematics:

Interest causes wealth to concentrate as the poor pay interest to the rich. Interest can therefore be seen as a tax on poverty to the benefit of the rich. The following example demonstrates this and also that interest on money is unsustainable and leads to crisis:

If someone brought a 1/10 oz gold coin to the bank in the year 1 AD, and the money remained there until the year 2000 AD, collecting a yearly interest of 4%, the amount of gold in the account would have been 3.6 * 10^31 kilogrammes of gold weighing 6,000,000 times the complete mass of the Earth.

If interest is charged on a limited scale or over a short timeframe then those problems do not surface. Interest is an insidious process. Over time it is unescapable that it reduces large numbers of people to a state of servitude to the money lenders. This is a long term development that transcends the life span of a human. Interest is the main reason why a number of civilisations have failed and why Western civilisation is about to fail. Therefore all interest is usury and the current financial system is a usury financial system.

You think rates may grow as the credit unions do? I mean they need to stay non-profit. What happens when they make successful community loans and that little bit of interest is paid back into the credit union system. It has to go somewhere - so if not into the pockets of executive officers or Board of directors - do you think that it will go to the share holders (?) - account holders?

Shouldn't worry bout your score, its the substance of your material that matters and you know what trolls are about so ignore them. Remember, Do not feed the trolls, the damn things will follow you home and you'll never get rid of em.