tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6335541.post7534801549116068701..comments2020-03-23T18:34:24.735-07:00Comments on Faith and Freedom Daily: Test Case For Religious Freedom In America?Gary Randallhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09918829530086970604noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6335541.post-25063570048072754452010-09-14T21:46:45.756-07:002010-09-14T21:46:45.756-07:00Let&#39;s be clear here, the Crusades were a respo...Let&#39;s be clear here, the Crusades were a response to the <br />Muslim conquests in Europe and their refusal to allow <br />Christian pilgrims to go to Jerusalem and their subsequent attacks on same. That atrocities were committed by both sides<br />in the name of their God was heartbreaking and tragic. Are<br />people of faith not supposed to be invovled in the politics of their day? I suppose you just want us to be cowardly and stay<br />in the house or church. So sorry, ain&#39;t gonna happen. C. LaceyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6335541.post-3266397997959303762010-09-13T22:04:35.490-07:002010-09-13T22:04:35.490-07:00Why is this organization called Faith and Freedom?...Why is this organization called Faith and Freedom?? Here you have an organization that pushes a *political agenda* and then turns around and calls Islam a religion that pushes a political agenda! Weird! <br /><br />Where does the Bible embrace democracy as a core value?? How would Muslims describe Christians during the Crusades? Would that description be fair to most Christians? I think the language used here to describe Islam would fit Christianity back then. If we can use history to tar modern day Muslims, shouldn&#39;t they be able to use Christian&#39;s Crusades to tar us now?<br /><br />Maybe rename the organization to Faith, Bigotry and Restricted Freedom?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6335541.post-49387346572648636122010-09-12T21:37:25.531-07:002010-09-12T21:37:25.531-07:00I&#39;m sure the Byzantines and Spanish couldn&#39...I&#39;m sure the Byzantines and Spanish couldn&#39;t foresee that<br />scenario either. It cost them dearly, I DO NOT hate muslims,<br />but we must be discerning about intentions. Remember what <br />the road to hell is paved with. C, LaceyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6335541.post-19147736293117821162010-09-12T10:55:32.698-07:002010-09-12T10:55:32.698-07:00I am awake and I&#39;m not afraid of our country b...I am awake and I&#39;m not afraid of our country being taken over by Muslims. I can&#39;t imagine any scenario where that could happen.<br /><br />I am, however, concerned of serious terrorist strike using loose nukes, etc. And I agree with the those working in counter-terrorism that the best way to avoid that is to identify those in Islam who who are friendly with us and cultivate co-operation.<br /><br />The only people who can truly quell the terrorists are their fellow Muslims. And they will, unless we do something stupid, like say, alienate the ones who would be our friends.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6335541.post-20811268793930512112010-09-10T19:07:59.040-07:002010-09-10T19:07:59.040-07:00The Constitution is not a SUICIDE pact, wake up an...The Constitution is not a SUICIDE pact, wake up and smell the coffee. C,LaceyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6335541.post-72995822852735996762010-09-09T08:44:25.964-07:002010-09-09T08:44:25.964-07:0010:22pm
Before you start limiting people&#39;s ri...10:22pm<br /><br />Before you start limiting people&#39;s rights based on the actions of their brethren across the ocean, you might want to review that Constitution your side claims to hold dear.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6335541.post-12751955601017902082010-09-08T22:22:28.614-07:002010-09-08T22:22:28.614-07:00Would a political movement be tolerated in any nat...Would a political movement be tolerated in any nation that did the following:<br /><br />1. Force people to join their movement under threat of death.<br />2. Made leaving the movement a capitol crime.<br />3. Insulting their founder or their founding documents is a capitol crime, even if no offense was intended.<br />4. Force all who would not join their political movement to pay a special tax or be killed.<br />5. Deny all competing political philosophies the right to publish their materials, build or repair buildings.<br /><br />Islam is both a religion and a political movement and Islam does all of the things mentioned above.<br /><br />To grant Islam freedom of religion is to surrender your own in the long run. <br /><br />Bundling a radical political agenda with a religious belief system does not change facts.<br /><br />I for one would deny any Muslim the right to practice their religion in the US if they did not extend that right to all others, including allowing non-Muslims to enter Mecca and build churches and synagogues there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6335541.post-88716719962858786442010-09-08T17:24:50.079-07:002010-09-08T17:24:50.079-07:00Sometimes I feel as if I am in an old Twilight Zon...Sometimes I feel as if I am in an old Twilight Zone episode, one where there is a parallel universe in which everything runs backwards.<br /><br />Years ago one would never hear a general in the Army say that a pastor who decided to have a Quoran burning hurts his mission or jeopardizes the safety of the troops. Instead he would make any necessary adjustments to continue his mission and inform the troops as to why there has been a heightened alert. Years ago he would do this and not make any statements as concerning the actions of any of those he has sworn to protect and defend by defending their constitution.<br /><br />I wonder if this change is because we now have a Muslim sympathetic commander in chief.<br /><br />We have to work now to take America back.<br /><br />There&#39;s a woman who sat on a scarlet colored beast in the book of Revelation. (Chp 17) You can read what name was written on her forehead in verse 5.<br /><br />If you imagine her, could you imagine her holding a book of some sort? Of all the books in the world, what kind comes to your mind, if you can imagine her holding some kind of book?<br /><br />It wouldn&#39;t be a Bible would it? I don&#39;t think so, unless she was perverting it in some way, using it wrongly in order to deceive. A woman like that could be influenced by so many other kinds of books and there are so many in the world today.<br /><br />Let&#39;s remember that she is an enemy of the Church of God, the Bride of Christ.<br /><br />I thank God we have the freedom to burn a few books. I think I should be willing to protect that freedom even if it means that someone somewhere might at some time decide to burn a Bible. I trust God that he is able to reveal himself by fire as he did in the days of Elijah. God has kinds of fire as he is the maker of them all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6335541.post-69876210401305470752010-09-08T17:18:50.261-07:002010-09-08T17:18:50.261-07:001. If you have heard no critic of the mosque deny ...1. If you have heard no critic of the mosque deny that Muslims are free to practice their religion in America, you aren&#39;t reading the comments to your own blog posts. An idea I find dubious at best.<br /><br />2. You try and conflate opposition to the Muslim Community Center (it&#39;s as much a mosque as your local YMCA is a Cathedral), when they are two very separate things. I have seen no credible evidence that the people behind Park 51 have any connection with or desire to engage in terrorism. What I have seen is smears from the likes of Pamela Geller, who actually rallied with neo-Nazis in Germany because they are anti-Muslim too.<br /><br />3. I have never heard Obama, Pelosi or Bloomberg publicly deride &quot;pro-life&quot; Evangelicals or anyone else &quot;pro-life&quot;, nor have I heard them condemn the Mormon Church for their massive and often hidden and illegal campaign spending in support of Prop 8. Do you have specific examples? Or should we just assume that you threw in the usual librul boogie man to stir up the base as election season closes in?<br /><br />Also, Prop 8 isn&#39;t really comparable to Park 51 in any way shape or form. It is an example of a religion trying to enforce their beliefs upon others, who believe differently- or the question you pose above and seem to answer in the affirmative &quot;Can the rights of one religion in America be limited when they infringe on the rights of others?&quot;, seems to apply here. Where is does not apply is in the case of Park 51, where the Muslims behind it are just trying to go about their lives. The existence of a Muslim community center &quot;steps from ground zero&quot; (which is any on the continent if your think about it) doesn&#39;t infringe upon anyone else&#39;s right. No one would have even heard about it if the GOP weren&#39;t looking for a wedge issue going into the midterm elections!<br /><br />4. Finally, the supports of Park 51 aren&#39;t looking for it to be treated any differently than any other religious building is in NYC. It has already undergone all the normal necessary and required permitting and local land board use approval. The people looking for different and exceptional treatment when it comes to Muslim community centers, are those opposed. That they would attempt to smear those, who support the normal processes being followed as some seeking different regard where Muslims are involved is a despicable as it is dishonest.<br /><br />Now the question is will the censors allow this lengthy, respectful and well argued reply? Given their actions with my posts in the past, it&#39;s an open question.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6335541.post-4088194517566208362010-09-08T12:22:55.184-07:002010-09-08T12:22:55.184-07:00Above comment. Read tomorrow&#39;s blog. It addres...Above comment. Read tomorrow&#39;s blog. It addresses your question.<br /><br />Staff.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6335541.post-20709810146672403002010-09-08T12:06:16.138-07:002010-09-08T12:06:16.138-07:00You have an enormous hole in your logic.
You are...You have an enormous hole in your logic. <br /><br />You are correct that while we have a right to believe what we&#39;d like, we do not necessarily have the right to practice those beliefs. Practice can be restricted in circumstances when those practices can be shown to harm others, as in your examples. Presumably the harmful &quot;practice&quot; you are trying to link to Islam is terrorism.<br /><br />But you do not address the point that these Muslims are not asking us to allow them to commit terrorism. They are asking for the right to build a mosque. We have no reason to believe that these Muslims have any desire other than to provide a place for their followers to worship peacefully. (If you know something, fill us in.) <br /><br />What &quot;practice&quot; do these Muslims want to do that would cause harm to others?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6335541.post-75484534062214685972010-09-08T11:28:03.624-07:002010-09-08T11:28:03.624-07:00Fantastic comentary, reminds me of the discussion ...Fantastic comentary, reminds me of the discussion on absolute freedom - we are free in this country, but not to the extent of yelling &quot;FIRE&quot; in a crowded theater. <br /><br />Nor should we be compelled to tolerate an intolerant, theocratic religion whose sole stated purpose is to cause us all to &quot;submit&quot;.<br /><br />For now, I am free to resist that lunacy!Gods Girl CInoreply@blogger.com