Justice Scalia Was More Catholic Than the Pope

by Cliff Kincaidon February 23, 2016

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On Saturday night, a lunatic by the name of Jason Brian Dalton went on a weekend killing spree in Michigan. The next day, contradicting the official Catholic Catechism, Pope Francis called for the worldwide abolition of the death penalty.

The pope doesn’t have to worry about Dalton getting the electric chair or a lethal injection. Michigan does not have the death penalty, which means Dalton, even if convicted of murder, will be entitled to a life at taxpayers’ expense—complete with three meals a day, free health care and cable TV.

On the same day that the pope spoke out against capital punishment, the late Justice Antonin Scalia, a Catholic, was laid to rest. Scalia had said that judges who oppose capital punishment should resign. But that’s not a contradiction of church teaching. Article 2267 of the Catholic catechism, an authoritative compendium of church teaching, says the church “does not exclude recourse to the death penalty, if this is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives” against criminals.

Scalia said the death penalty is not immoral and noted that support for it has been part of Christian and Catholic tradition in the old and new testaments.

The pope said, “The commandment ‘You shall not kill,’ has absolute value and applies to both the innocent and the guilty.”

But that’s not what Christianity or Catholicism teaches. As noted by Cardinal Avery Dulles in the April 2001 issue of First Things, “Turning to Christian tradition, we may note that the Fathers and Doctors of the Church are virtually unanimous in their support for capital punishment, even though some of them such as St. Ambrose exhort members of the clergy not to pronounce capital sentences or serve as executioners.” He noted that St. Augustine wrote in The City of God:

The same divine law which forbids the killing of a human being allows certain exceptions, as when God authorizes killing by a general law or when He gives an explicit commission to an individual for a limited time. Since the agent of authority is but a sword in the hand, and is not responsible for the killing, it is in no way contrary to the commandment, ‘Thou shalt not kill’ to wage war at God’s bidding, or for the representatives of the State’s authority to put criminals to death, according to law or the rule of rational justice.

The pope’s comments were widely covered, but news outlets failed to point out that the pope’s position is definitely anti-Catholic and anti-Christian.

The pope appealed “to the consciences of government leaders” that they might join the “international consensus for the abolition of the death penalty.” The official Vatican Radio Network said he “spoke directly to Catholic leaders,” asking them, as a “courageous and exemplary act,” not to carry out any death sentences during the Holy Year of Mercy.

Scalia would have disagreed. In fact, Scalia’s final order was to deny the stay of execution of a Texas man, Gustavo Garcia, who was sentenced to death. The loony-left site ironically named “Think Progress” ran a story headlined, “Scalia’s Final Order Was To Let This Texas Man Die.” It was as if Scalia had failed to save the life of an innocent man. Garcia was executed by the state of Texas on February 16.

Who was this man? CBS News reported, “Court documents show Garcia shot [Craig] Turski in the abdomen on Dec. 9, 1990, then reloaded and shot the man in the back of the head. A month later, Garcia and [Christopher] Vargas entered a Plano convenience store armed with a sawed-off shotgun and carried out a holdup in which another clerk, 18-year-old Gregory Martin, was fatally shot in the head.”

The so-called “Think Progress” website fretted that “a commonly used lethal injection cocktail causes the sensation of being burned alive.”

It had no comment on the sensation of being shot in the head by a criminal.

In another recent case, the Supreme Court ruled 8 to 1 that death sentences handed down against three men, in what became known as the “Wichita Massacre” in 2000, should not have been tossed out by Kansas’ highest court. Scalia wrote the decision. The sole dissenting opinion came from Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor, an Obama appointee who was confirmed by the Senate in 2009 in a largely party-line vote, 68 to 31.

The case involved what the court called a “notorious Wichita crime spree [which] culminated in the brutal rape, robbery, kidnaping, and execution-style shooting of five young men and women.” The victims were white and the Carr brothers are black.

Hearing the case last year, Justice Samuel Alito said it involved “some of the most horrendous murders that I have ever seen in my 10 years here. And we see practically every death penalty case that comes up anywhere in the country. These have to rank as among the worst.”

The Wichita Eagle reported:

Underscoring the court’s apparent tilt, Justice Antonin Scalia took the unusual step of reading, at length, a detailed account of the Carrs’ December 2000 crimes: The brothers broke into a Wichita home on Dec. 15, where they forced the three men and two women inside to have sex with each other while they watched, then repeatedly raped the women over about three hours.

The brothers then forced the victims to withdraw money from ATMs before taking them to a soccer field at 29th Street North and Greenwich, making them kneel and shooting each one in the head.

Four of the victims died, but one woman survived a gunshot wound to the head because a plastic clip in her hair deflected the bullet. She ran naked through the snow for help and later testified against the brothers at trial.

Sedgwick County, Kansas, District Attorney Marc Bennett commented, “More than one family member from the Carr case commented as to how much it meant to them when Justice Scalia cut through all the legalese and recited the litany of brutal acts back to one of the attorneys for the defendants.”

By contrast, Reuters reported that Pope Francis made his comments “to throw his weight behind an international conference against the death penalty starting Monday in Rome and organized by the Sant’Egidio Community, a worldwide Catholic peace and justice group.”

You know that when you hear the words “peace and justice,” you’re dealing with the far-left.

This constitutes nothing less than an attempt to impose what has been called a “new global legal order” on the United States. It’s an insidious campaign to replace U.S. law with “international law” and United Nations treaties.

In a 1999 case, Knight v. Florida, Clinton-appointed U.S. Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer voted to give a stay of execution to a convicted killer scheduled for execution on death row in Virginia. He cited several foreign court rulings as justification for his decision.

Calling the book “lucid,” the paper said that “Breyer contends that events in the world have effectively resolved the foreign law controversy. Playing the judge as enlightened modern technocrat, he offers a reasoned elaboration of the mounting costs that judicial isolationism would entail in our increasingly interconnected world. Globalization, he argues, has made engagement with foreign law and international affairs simply unavoidable.”

The Times forgot to mention that a Supreme Court justice takes an oath swearing allegiance to the U.S. Constitution. So why aren’t Breyer’s views grounds for removal from office?

“I, _________, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.”

The comments here are telling. Traditional Catholics have been more Catholic than all the post-conciliar popes.

john

My dog.

armydadtexas

This Pope basis his remarks on the fact that he is buried in LIBERATION THEOLOGY. Also known as a bastardization of Christianity based on the very horrible and deadly philosophy of garbage like Joseph Stalin and Karl Marx, and other Communist pukes. That is who this Pope is. Roman Catholics deserve better.

LibertyChick

What I don’t get is why we allow people who take an oath to protect and defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign or domestic to remain in power when they prove they are the enemy. Seems to me, when they prove themselves through their actions/votes/rulings to not be aligned with the Constitution they should be removed.

There needs to be accountability for this. Rather than term limits I’d rather see term accountability. If you do not vote at least 90% aligned with the Constitution as an elected representative in the House, Senate or Congress, you are not eligible for re-election or election to higher office, including the Supreme Court or the Presidency.http://www.thenewamerican.com/freedomindex/

If this was enacted right now, of the 250+ elected reps we have only 10 would be eligible fore re-election/higher office. The voting records of Obama (16% aligned with the Constitution), Hilary (19%), Bernie (25%), Marco (80%) and Ted (89%) would make them not eligible for the presidency. The only one who ran this cycle who would have been eligible was Rand Paul (94%).

I could even accept dropping that to 80% for the first 2-4 years and moving it to 90% after that – just so we have a few more people remaining – but no lower than that. We need the brightest and best directing the future of our country. Accountability is fully and completely missing! If I was only doing my job 25% or less I would be fired. So would anyone else working in Corporate America. Why do we allow for such slovenly disregard for oaths of office from our elected officials/representatives?

This is the lawsuit that should be presented in America: do your job or be removed from office with no further opportunity to hold any elected or salaried position in the Federal government. Such accountability would also result in a 90+% drop in proposed bills as most are unconstitutional. And I doubt we’d ever see a bill proposed that was more than 10-20 pages long.

Of course Scalia was more Catholic than the Pope. Hell, I AM MORE CATHOLIC than the Pope, and I’m Jewish. By the way, the commandment reads thou shall not murder, not thou shall not kill.

biilyjoe

As an American Roman Catholic and Republican, I can surely say that this Pope is either being duped by advisers complicit with the NWO, or clueless clerical idiots, or is the forerunner of The Anti-Christ — or all 3 of these.

biilyjoe

We sure do . The world deserves better.

biilyjoe

Thank you.

biilyjoe

Obama– he’s a muslim.

Peter

Why, all of a sudden does everybody want to be more catholic than the Pope? Seems to me he has played a master stroke. The Devil is more Catholic than the Pope.

jaimelmanzano

Keep in mind that Christ said, “Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesars, and to God the things that are Gods.” As a judge, Scalia understood that his authority was limited to the interpretation of the Constitution, and not beyond that. It was limited to the realm of Caesars. Pope Francis, on the other hand, ventures beyond Christ’s admonition. He oversteps his reach – namely, that of individual morality. Acting politically, Pop Francis may be following past papal ventures into secular governance that, on hindsight, can be questioned – for example, the use of force in New World conversions, administering the operations and finances of the papal states, the forceful imposition of authority over the Bible, and more.

Ted

Over the years, Kincaid has clearly evidenced an anti-Catholic bias … if not worse.

The key phrase in this article is “if it is the only possible way” … and the death penalty is not the only possible way of protecting human lives against criminals.

Peter

Robert LaVoy Finicum, denied justice, couldn’t defend his human life against cops more dangerous than criminals – when they are the sword in the hand of government which itself is the sword in the hand of the Roman Catholic communist global ruling tyranny. Just a short step away, following abolition of the second amendment, if Americans allow it. Like the USSR, America, the people, the world’s last bastion of freedom must be toppled before this can eventuate. And eventuating it is. The cop who shot Finicum in cold blood like a snake, is on reprieve from justice and the death sentence.

Steven Barrett

Hell, nobody’s more catholic than the pope, not even Cliff … but that’s never stopped him.

john robel

AMEN BROTHER, I am one Catholic who can’t stand this lousy excuse for a “pope”. I can’t help but wonder how this fraud of a pope doesn’t see his hypocrisy.

john robel

Damned Right, Liberty Chick. When they swear to “uphold defend and protect the Constitution” and then turn around and make a career out of attacking this most sacred document, they ARE ALL GUILTY OF TREASON AND SHOULD BE PROSECUTED TO THE FULL EXTENT. The fact that they aren’t explains why and how they get away with it. ALL GUN “CONTROL” IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL. The absolute definition of “infringed” is not complicated.

john robel

60 years a baptized Catholic, NEVER SEEN ANY “Roman Catholic communist global ruling tyranny”. Where do I get some? I’m too poor to pay attention.

biilyjoe

Yes . It is like the wrong people are holding a gun to his head and telling him what to say— he is totally ignoring the murder of Christians in the Middle East and silent on obama’s constant attacks on Christians in America.

Maria-Erlinda Martinez

This pope is a dope and a fraud; he is a Theology of “Liberation” (TOL) maniacal fanatic. TOL is the Marxist, and even Bolshevist, spin of the Gospel. Marxist TOL maniacs use Acts 4-32-35 as fulcrum for Marx’s “From each, according to his abilities; to each, according to his needs” — That is, “forced redistribution of wealth”. And the Bolshevists (i.e., the original Leninists and the epitome among purveyors of fear, terror, and deadly violence) use Acts 5-1-11 to “justify” their abominations. “If the Apostles did it,” they (Marxists and Leninists) say, “then we can and MUST do it as well.” Dangerous idiots are those Catholics that don’t acknowledge being employed as “useful-fools” by TOL maniacs, now in control of the Vatican.

Rosavera

Coming from one i thought was a conservative view really makes my hair stand up on ends seeing the hate in the words you write, Kincaid…! You are actually doing what all liberal Left do everyday, demonize what is good and right. YOU actually called the leader of the whole Catholic church anti-Catholic and anti-Christian…! Just because you don’t agree with what our Lord Jesus commanded all of us to do, not to kill. Do you see anywhere in the Gospels of our Lord where He says ‘an eye for an eye’…? NO, you won’t, He said to love your enemies, which does not mean to not incarcerate those that commit crimes, He said we don’t kill someone because he killed. If you disagree with this and what the Pope said then i say, Kincaid, you are anti-Christ and His Gospels.

Rosavera

YOU, are not Catholic, nor should you call yourself anything else, but that is your business. Your vile remarks is an abomination.

Rosavera

Feel sorry for you and your words, which if you don’t realize will be held against you in the end when you are face to face with our Lord.

Rosavera

The Pope is constantly decrying the fate of our brethren in the Middle East and all over the world, and because of it Turkey closed their embassy in the Vatican. Guess you don’t read a all and are ignorant of what this man of God really says…

LaTisha Jackson

Superbly said!!! This Pope is an IDIOT! Just like the deranged lunatics rockefellers (read David Rockefeller’s “quotes” and you will not find a single line that is of a benefit to humanity), rothschilds, hitlers, stalins, hollywood clowns, wall street greedy jews (whether Jewish or not), silicone valley high-tech idiots…and such…this nation of SPIRITUAL DWARFS is doomed without serious spiritual guides, such as Socrates, Cicero, Tolstoy…even Jeff Nyquist…by the way, where is Jeff? I guess he realised that he is up against a wall of comfort junkies that are destined to die anyways…DEATH TO THE INFERIOR!!!

Rosavera

By the way our Lord Jesus also said not to seek vengeance, an eye for an eye but to love your enemies so that by it will be known you are children of God. Open your eyes and don’t just repeat evil for by your words you will be judged.

Rosavera

Please post proof of your words and not just vomit hate. Post links… post proof… post your words are not just hate based on nonsense.

Rosavera

You may be Republican but please don’t call yourself Catholic with these words.

Rosavera

ignorance must be bliss because you are blessed with it… repeating words with no basis is ignorance and just puking out what others who do nothing more than hate do everyday.

Rosavera

Matthew 5:43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[a] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.”

I read on-line daily and ALSO listen to the news both on radio and TV every day. I can think of 2 times in past 10 months that this Pope mentioned the persecution and murder of Christians– who are being genocidally eliminated in Muslim countries. The Christian refugees can not even stay in the refugee camps– the muslim refugees are attacking them. The pope , just like obama, is bringing the muslim refugees here (with all their dangerous anti-Christian Sharia law behavior) and totally ignoring the middle east Christians.There were numerous articles about how Christians are being raped and murdered and prevented from fleeing ISIS– AN IRAQI NUN even gave testimony to this and testified THAT OBAMA REFUSED TO ALLOW HER TO COME TO AMERICA.
WHO MADE YOU GOD TO JUDGE SOMEONE ELSE’S CHRISTIAN CONSCIENCE– you sound like a total KOOK and Muslim ally– like that teacher than wore a Burka to Christian school to show sympathy with islamists who are violating our Constitution with Sharia law every chance they get. The Pope either knows nothing of this or he doesn’t care BECAUSE HE SAID NOTHING !!
YOU CERTAINLY ARE NO KIND OF CATHOLIC — go find a BURKA and put it on and kiss obongo’s lying arse.

biilyjoe

I follow every Catholic rule and always have. How dare you pontificate and judge me because I disagree with quotes or misquotes that came out of this pope’s mouth. I think you are an Islamist , taqiyyah lying that you’re Christian.

Maria-Erlinda Martinez

“Mr. pope, tear the Vatican walls down!!!!” This dude, Jorge Mario Bergoglio, is, as said in Argentina, a “pachuco” from the Ciudadela enclave in Buenos Aires, who didn’t shed his nasty traits.

Rosavera

i have a right to call out any so called Christian or so called Catholic who will say such vile words against this good man, this good shepherd of the Catholic church. Do you speak Italian…? Do you listen to the Italian news…? No…you just go by what this liberal Left media is feeding you and you are supposed to be a conservative…!!!
He speaks against those that are persecuting Christians by Muslims just about every time he speaks, and he has also said that countries should go to war against these people which are killing Christians (he didn’t say just Catholics). You, and most others in this group just like sheep keep repeating the same hateful words that i see everyday by those who hate anything Catholic. He advocates for the right of all minority faiths to have the freedom of religion to all leaders of countries or other faiths that he sees.
Do you read anything other than what is being vomited out to you by this media which hates conservatives and Catholics, for that matter Christians of all denominations. Feel sorry for you and your hate.

Rosavera

You are being led ashtray by the same that hate anything that is Catholic. You say you are Christian and then you demonize your own shepherd thus doing the work of Protestants who hate anything Catholic. Do you not see what is being done and your words give heed and fire the flames of hate against a truly good man…? Cherry picking words are the works of Protestants trying to demonize our Pope. If you follow every Catholic rule then which rule that is Catholic does it say you can falsify the words of the Pope…? For that matter the words of our Lord whom in His Gospels never ever said we can take a life for a life.

Rosavera

Guess Kincaid is absent and does not answer to those that post on his article even though i am calling him out on his lies and his hate against Catholics.

Maria-Erlinda Martinez

Paul is a libertarian. The huge problem with libertarians is that they stand, with the one foot, on grassroots-conservatism, which is laudable; and, with the other, although for different motives, on the hardcore-Left, which is damnable, for the hardcore-Left –as the Democrats, with Obama at the lead, evidence it– gives a damn for the way the Founders constituted America, a magnificent deed in human history, testimony of which they hand-wrote for posterity on five sheets of parchment they felicitously titled The Constitution of the United States of America.

Rosavera

Would you call our Lord Jesus a communist also…? The same words are being said against our Lord by atheists, does it make them true…?

Francis is not even Christian. Francis and Obama have the same revolutionary, subversive mentality. These prophets of dooms hate the West, they hate Christianity.He is the bearer of a new gospel; a fake like a cheap Chinese knockoff pretending to be the real thing.

There is nothing that Francis would not sell you to further his anti-Western, anti-Catholic, anti-morality agenda. In 2015 it will be poverty and global warming; but it could be AIDS and global cooling, Mad Cow disease, the end of oil extraction, the extinction of the baby seal or the Polar Bear, or the cutting down of the Amazonian forest: anything that he thinks will sell you his agenda. As always, there will be many takers: the losers, the envious, the lazy, the fools, alternatives of all sorts, the perverts, and the outright stupid. Francis’ audience and Obama’s are the same from day one.

RMThoughts

Francis will be no where around already in the fires prepared for the reprobate.

RMThoughts

My dog is more Catholic than the pope, it doesn’t sin against nature.

Rosavera

Just remember your words, for by your words you will be judged… “Fear of the Lord is beginning of wisdom” something you totally lack… One of the Ten Commandments is not to bear false witness, do u really want to have this against you…? Unless you are not Christian then you should be fearing what you say…”

Rosavera

By all the remarks written here by posters and mainly by Kincaid i do wonder if anyone truly thinks they are Christian… Unless i’m in the wrong group discussion this is supposed to be a conservative intelligent group discussion, not mimicking liberal Left uglies. Guess i may be wrong…

Danny S.

Exact reason the supreme court should be abolished. Judges take and oath to protect the constitution and as justices stay neutral and fair.
This is the problem we now have at least 4 justices who have no respect for the constitution or our existing laws find it there job to change the law to fit there needs.
The court has gotten so political and biased that many justices don’t even come close to living up to their oath. Also there is no one who holds them accountable.
Current examples of this can be seen in the Obamacare decision and the gay marriage outcome.
The court is of no value as long as they are political instead of interested in interpreting the laws and instead making their own up as they go.

RMThoughts

I’ll pass your words along to Francis in the hope he changes.

biilyjoe

Unfortunately, I believe you are correct. As a Catholic, I was in total shock when he basically justified the murders at Charlie Hebdo in Paris because they insulted the criminal ” prophet” muhammad— when he used the words like “when someone insults my mother, I punch back”; any Catholic should have been astounded by that one alone of his seemingly sinister messages .
My wife and I still also are in shock the way Benedict XVI “retired”. Unheard of.
My biggest suspicion is that he came and spoke before Congress (the vicious anti-Catholic liberals ,left loons here in U S would normally scream Separation of Church and State (which we know is meaningless for them when they encourage criminal black Protestant ministers like Jesse Jackson and Sharpton to run as Democrat Candidates for President– ??!!)
IT WAS LIKE HE WAS INVITED SPECIFICALLY TO CONGRESS BECAUSE THE LEFT KNEW HE WOULD ESPOUSE OBAMA’S AGENDA — for trillion dollar ‘global warming” schemes.

“I” (me, moi, et al) didn’t “call” ANYONE a Communist. I’m merely addressing YOUR post – YOU were asking for postings – I showed you how to find thousands of them. Whether or not they are true – well, that’s your concern. Don’t go after the librarian.

biilyjoe

If every American Catholic has to learn to speak Italian just to find out what the Pope is saying, then we are ALL in trouble. YOU NEED TO STOP TELLING AMERICANS WHAT TO DO (there are millions of Italian American Catholics who are astounded with what comes out of the Pope’s mouth and they don’t need to speak/understand Italian to do so). You speak Italian– that makes u an expert on the Pope ???? u are out of your mind !!
If the Main Stream Media here in America are so perverting the words that come out of the pope’s mouth, you should be on here attacking the Obamaphyled MSM not Catholics who listen to the Pope’s words and are astounded with justification.
I REPEAT– U ARE A MUSLIME SHILL– GO GET UR BURKA AND PUT IT ON FOR TRUTH’S SAKE asap !!!

biilyjoe

Jesus never talked about capital punishment but he did say “Render to Caesar the things that are caesar’s and to God the thing’s that are God’s”. Now you are putting words into Our Lord’s mouth !!!!– which is Blasphemy !! NO ONE IS FALSIFYING THE POPE’S WORDS– THEY ARE QUOTING THEM AND ARE ASTOUNDED AT THEM.
GO PUT YOUR ISLAMIC TERRORIST BURKA ON.
The MUSLIMS have pledged to destroy and overtake Rome the way they did Constantinople (Istanbul)— Santa Sofia Cathedral built by Constantine, the Great Christian Convert, IS TODAY A MOSQUE IN TURKEY. AND THE FINAL PLAN IS TO TAKE ROME AS PART OF THE CALIPHATE. Listening to this Pope, it is like he is unaware or complicit.
PANTS UP !! DON’T LOOT!! GO PUT ON YOUR BURKA SUIT !!

Rosavera

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT… YOU MAKE NO SENSE…! Do you read your words before you actually post them…? You, like all others who don’t like the truth totally change the words of not only mine but i can see also of the Pope. Your discernment of scripture is warped..! Our Lord Jesus, and i do hope you do understand this, NEVER said to take a life for a life. MATTHEW 5:38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: 39But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
How do you twist this to mean otherwise..? When our Lord said give unto Caesar what is Caesar He was talking about taxes and everyday affairs and not to go against governments. It has nothing to do with the death penalty…

Rosavera

Nice to see such a ‘Christian’ person actually be happy that churches, Christian places of worship have been destroyed. Would it make you happy to see the Vatican taken over by ISIS…? Answer this…

Rosavera

yet, you have no problem to regurgitate the same ugliness even though not true. Anything can be found on the internet, for sure if i google if Obama is holy i will find thousands of mentions to that effect, but you and i know it is not true, then why would you repeat lies..?

Peter

Ignorance is bliss. So why are you so troubled by it?

Rosavera

For your sake it is not to Pope Francis you should pass any word to, but when you pray, if you pray to our Lord Jesus, then ask Him how He feels you demonizing one of His own.

Rosavera

Lies… you are doing what the devil wants, so did the Nazis the more they lied the more they felt it would become truth, and thousands were killed horribly. Would you do the same in your hate to a Catholic as the Nazis also did…?

Rosavera

Hello Kincaid, answer us on this forum and let us all hear how you defend your position in these vile and ugly accusations against the Pope… are you a coward…???

I am not judging the Pope. I am not judging you. I am not judging anyone. My job is not too judge; that’s God’s job. I was only presenting information. I can only suppose you just don’t get it … Matthew 7:6

Peter

Jorge Mario Bergoglio – Pope Francis, is a Jesuit. The Concise Oxford Dictionary defines ‘Jesuit’ as a dissembling person, as an equivocator.
‘Dissemble’ means, cloak, disguise, conceal (character, feeling, intention, act). Conceal one’s motives, fail to mention a fact, be a hypocrite.
‘Equivocate’ means, use ambiguous words to conceal the truth, prevaricate.
‘Prevaricate’ means, speak, act, evasively; quibble, practise collusion. (From an Ecclesiastical Latin word meaning transgress.)
The Bridges on Euro currency notes, sitting over the waters Revelation 17:1 represent the Caesar of the European Union, largely hidden in plain view. Though ordinary Europeans are unaware of this, nevertheless the Irish have nicknamed the Euro – the Punt. They are onto it without realizing the bridges are code for Pontifex Maximus – the Supreme Bridge Builder – the title of the Caesars, by now bestowed on the Pope, the Pontiff in short, now for the first time in history, a Jesuit. The bridge building is about connecting all nations, peoples, tribes and tongues (which are the waters beneath) into a refurbished Roman Empire combine of Church and State Rev 17:15. The Roman Empire continued to live on as a church. Quote: The Empire was now the church; it was now indeed indestructible, for, if it perished as an empire, it would live as a church. But the church made it certain that it would not perish, even as an empire through the centuries. End Quote. Ency Brit. 1962 Article “Empire”.)
When the Roman Catholic Church has finished politicizing under its Jesuit scheming plotting Popes, it will resurface alive again as the Roman Catholic (Universal) Empire, old world order the so called NWO hailing Caesar, aka a Jesuit dissembling Pope. Rosavera worships the Roman Empire through her Pope, and your suspicions are correct billyjoe, inasmuch as it has not happened – YET !
Una Chiesa in uno Stato.

biilyjoe

Shouldn’t you be out on a ledge somewhere waiting for the Caliph to tell you when to jump ?

biilyjoe

Hapy that churches are destroyed ?? That’s exactly what Christians of all faiths are trying to avoid, YOU FOOL. YOU KNOW YOU ATTACK EVERYONE ON THIS SITE– BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO RESPECT FOR ANYONE’S OPINION BUT YOUR OWN– NARCISSISM –major similarity to BOTH HITLER AND OBAMA — SHAME ON YOU. Stop your taqiyyahLIES and blackLIES of obama’s FIEND-FRIEND SHARPTON THE CRIMINAL “reverend” !!!!

biilyjoe

She definitely is defending someone who is in alignment in several ways with Muslim Obama and the NWO, it seems to me. Thanks.

Rosavera

may God forgive you for continuing to do this, and what I can see is that you don’t even know what you are doing to yourself.

Rosavera

now you are trying to be holy… you STATED your own version of ”facts” on the Pope, and you are now trying to say you ”do not judge him or anyone else”…? As for pearls, what pearls are your throwing even to dogs and pigs except for perpetrating the same idiotic Protestant hate of Catholics…

You quizzed: “Do you see anywhere in the gospels of our LORD where he says ‘an eye for an eye’ . . . ?
You shall be judged (sentenced) in accordance with your deeds. Ezekiel 36:18-19
You shall reap what you sow. Galatians 6:7.
If you worship a FOREIGN god, you shall be made to worship it in a FOREIGN land. (Slavery in exile.) Jeremiah 5:19. (EYE for EYE principle of justice.)
Let the punishment fit the crime, is what all this means.
If somebody murders me, I can’t murder the murderer back, can I ? Vengeance is left up to God, which can be through a court to exact justice on my behalf. It is up to the judges to make the punishment fit the crime.
Having said that, it is my personal opinion that if there is the slightest element of doubt “It is better to let a guilty man go free (Barabbas), than to hang an innocent man (Jesus)”. Also, “Let him who is without sin cast the first stone”, but this is referring to a mob lynch mentality. Judges should be beyond reproach. I do not think political appointments fit this requirement, they are more likely to be more than a little devious. If they had integrity they would not be suitable for a corrupt unjust government. After all judges bring down the ruling. They rule, sometimes subversively.
Judges with too much integrity risk assassination. “He who speaks the truth makes himself a prey.” Isaiah 59:15, in such an atmosphere. Justice Scalia, JFK, Finicum and Lincoln, “Rest in God’s arms”.

Mad Marx

Amen, brother. The only death penalty will be when millions of working-class people are sentenced to gulags worldwide. Alas, this is what happens when the Peronist puppet Phrancis the Phony is made pope via the dark forces of George “Vader” Soros.

Peter

Can the colour red be seen through rose coloured glasses? The red capes and tonsures worn by the cardinals, symbolizes their willingness to shed blood. This information was televised on the eve of a papal election. Then there is the religious connection with communism, of the hammer and sickle with Isaiah 2:4 and its reverse Joel 3:10. This theme of hammer and sickle is mimicked also in the United Nations, New York grounds in sculpture. Also a copper or bronze sphere giving birth to a sphere as a hatchling, symbolising the birth of the New World Order. The function of a priest is to penetrate all secrets (Catholic Encyclopedia). This includes one eyed surveillance by camera and the confessional. No secret is hidden from the Prince of Tyre – the Pope. He is wiser than Daniel but not Solomon, and therefore not wise as a God – infallible, as he claims. The King of Tyre in the hierarchy is Satan. As such, the Pope and Vatican is the apex or summit of all secret societies. Big brother is watching you and letting you confess your secrets, in the confessional, outside of which may be a camera. Now, tell me John, what have you divulged that can be used against you to blackmail you? Did you not think that a think-tank intelligence operation like the Vatican calling for a New World Order, is not also at back of and behind the New World Order?
It has eliminated the first five commandments of love and duty to God and country, and having relinquished or replaced them with nonsense, it adheres to the last five commandments somewhat imperfectly, of duty to neighbour called the social law or socialism. Socialism minus God in the equation is godless socialism, know as Communism. The Catholic Church practises ritual idolatry, in the form of the sacrifice of the Mass. There it celebrates the crucifixion or sacrifice of Jesus, then eats his flesh and blood like cannibals. Parts of the Mass are the Offertory and the Secret (called the deep or secret things of Satan Revelation 2:24). The ‘Secret’ ritual is called ‘the eating of things offered in sacrifice to idols’, which is communion. Jezebel entices this practise. Revelation 2:20. The nation that sacrifices to idols shall be utterly destroyed (if it is an Israelite nation, which I believe America once was). Obligatory for the Mass is an altar and crucifix idol, called by God a SCARECROW (Google images of scarecrows). Jeremiah 10:5. This Mass is called “worshipping the way of the heathen” in Jeremiah 10:4. Notice, this demon (idols you know as statues, are demons. Deut 32:17,21 RSV) is fastened with hammer and nails. Jeremiah 10:4 – a crucifix.
Also compare the likeness of the following. The crossed hammer and sickle. The Vatican flag with crossed keys. The skull and crossbones. Skull and bones. The Jolly Roger. The CHIRO. The Labarum. The RED church is the Roman Catholic Church. The Bolshevik revolution and the Lady of Fatima 1917. Of course they remain behind the scenes operating as Nazis till 1945, then via the Vatican Ratlines escaping to Argentina as priests and clergy, their formidable disguise as an apolitical church. Its purpose is politics and world dominion. Rev 17:18,9.
Have you heard of Fr Joseph Stalin, Jesuit priest and premier of the USSR?
I haven’t even mentioned the Virgin daughter of Babylon of Isaiah 47:1 and associated doctrines from Isaiah 14:1-21 and Ezekiel 28:11-19. Suffice to say that one of her many titles as ‘Star of the East’, is translated from the Latin ‘O Lucifer Oriens’. Ask questions – get answers.

Steven Barrett

For all you Francis haters, especially the most self-righteous ones, have you forgotten what Jesus said about judging others? Guess it’s too much of a “hard saying” for some of you. Such petty people trashing this pope. Petty small minded people. Get a life.

Rosavera

so, you agree with her ignorant remarks…?

Rosavera

i defend the truth, and i defend this good man the Pope whom you all have comfortably attacked on basis of ignorance and hate.

Rosavera

sick, is the only word that comes to mind reading your insane babbles…you need help… your lies are immense and you truly believe you have discernment and are godly… i cannot imagine anyone going to this length to demonize a good man of God. May God forgive you for your insane mentality, and it seems there are so many that actually believe your babbling… leave it up to our Lord to judge you.

Rosavera

i speak Italian and Spanish and i hear the news in more than one language, which means i get the truth right from the source. Maybe if you actually heard the Pope speak and actually bothered to read all his words and saw what this pious humble man does you may see him for what he really is… i don’t rely on the brainwashing news we get here from most media and i don’t just jump on the bandwagon of follow the leader that demonizes the Pope.

Rosavera

and stop calling me a Muslim, it makes you sound less intelligent.

Rosavera

Matthew 10:6 “Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves; so be shrewd as serpents and innocent as doves.”
i see you for what you are… you do a good job with words to twist the minds of these gullible in this forum against a good man of God. You don’t fool me, my eyes see you and i call you out for the evil you are perpetrating … this is what the anti-Christ will do and he will fool even the saints. You don’t fool me…

Rosavera

1 John 4:19We love because he first loved us. 20Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar. For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen. 21And he has given us this command: Anyone who loves God must also love their brother and sister.
Do you…?

Peter

I don’t call anybody ignorant. Nor does Maria-Erlinda. Simply if there is something to say, say it. Calling somebody ignorant does not win a point. Render the point baseless, by counter argument, if you can. Maybe she has cleared up some ignorance for others, who read her eloquent retorts. For instance La Tisha found Maria-Elinda superb. Also Maria-Erlinda has two thumbs up to her credit. However, I understand your feelings as a devotee of that church.

Peter

Thank you for that! I’m flattered.

Kim Bo

To Rosa—raspberry.

biilyjoe

You’re a taqiyyah LIAR.

biilyjoe

Most are not demonizing the pope; as Catholics they’re trying to figure out what he’s telling them to do which sounds like he might as well be telling them to jump off the nearest bridge . Would u jump off a bridge if the pope told you.
If American people have to be tri-lingual to understand what this pope is saying because of the left-loon Obama-controlled MSM, then u should be on line attacking obama and msm — not the people on here trying to make sense of pope’s words. I say ur a taqiyyahLIAR.

biilyjoe

U really do have an inflated version of urself–Heil Hitler !!! Heil Obomba!!

biilyjoe

While on the subject of DECEIT/blackLIES, I see Sons of Obama are at it again in Washington DC– attempted murder of 2 marines by blm thugs and a criminal with a violent record released onto the streets of Kansas to shoot/murder dozens of innocent Americans.
More Sons of Obama attacking the best America has to offer –pure racist hatred brought on and encouraged by white-hater obama himself and sharpton/blackLIES “people”– what a disgrace the black “community” has become under the seditionist, criminal enabling Demoncrap Party– which is now, under obama and black LIES releasing the most dangerous black criminals out onto the streets to kill innocent people, especially whites and police — like that black criminal who shot up/killed dozens of people (guaranteed most all white– hate crime) in Kansas. Not only are the Devilcraps releasing people with long violent criminal histories back out onto the streets to kill some more but they’re at same time releasing Islamic Terrorists back out and freed to continue murdering our American military as well.

Peter

I see you as a Nun. Are you? If so, you could reveal just who the Co-Redemptrix is. You may also care to explain the doctrine of “The Assumption of the BVM into heaven”. You talk about love and hate but your comments come across as vindictive. Tell a little about the cornerstones of the Roman religion. Are you up to it?
People in this forum are not gullible. I see them as quite astute whether I agree or disagree with what is said. Some are quite funny. However, I see you as a Nun.
Do some Catholic women still want to be priests? If so, are there any Catholic men who would like to be Nuns? Are there any priests who would like to be nuns – they already wear dresses like the Pope? Do vestments maketh the transvestite? Or is that just an abomination?

Peter

You’re hot on love and hate. What do you know about shame and glory?

Peter

. . . . “idiotic” . . . . Read “well founded”. This man is Jewish, not Protestant. The Vatican owned up and apologized to the Jews for causing anti-Semitic hatred to them. They owned up to writing “The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion” on 16th January, 1997 or 1998 whichever year that date happened to be a Thursday.
In that fraudulent document the Jews were made to be the authors who planned villainy and torturous horror to the goyim (Gentiles), and all they had to be wary of in their plans was that champion of freedom, the Roman Catholic Church.
The Roman Catholic Vatican made itself the champions of freedom in that fraudulent document BECAUSE THEY WROTE IT. They then organized for this highly secretive and sensitive document to be found (leaked) accidentally, everywhere.
One anti-Semite anonymous writer, went so far as to say, whether the Jews wrote it or not, one thing is certain, whoever did write it controlled the history of the 20th century?
Well, surprise, surprise. The Catholic Church wrote it. And now we find the Georgia Guidestones signed by R. C. Christian. The initials R.C.C. are the initials of the Roman Catholic Church, which claims to be Christian by claiming to be the ‘one holy and Apostolic church’, therefore of New Testament origin. However the New Testament reveals this church claim to be false in Revelation 2:2. In its Nicene Creed (its statement of beliefs) are found these words in Latin ‘et UNAM SANCTAM CATHOLICAM, ET APOSTOLICAM ECCLESIAM’. Now the interesting thing here is that these Catholics have so much clout that those Latin words self capitalized. I am not responsible for those capital lettered words. The claim is that of a falsely Christian church. Revelation 2:2. It is in fact the church of Satan. Rev 2:9 and 3:9.

Peter

Spell out my lies. Then let me correct your spelling.

Peter

Another commandment is: “You shall make for yourself no molten gods.”
Exodus 34:17. What is that bent ‘stick insect’ the Pope carries round with him?

Peter

Jesus is not a communist. He will be a King of kings. The Vatican is communist – that’s all. So there! Would you like the Pope and Vatican to rule the world? It is my guess you would.
Would you like America to stay free and non-communist? It is my guess you would not. Please dare to answer.

Peter

What good thing has the Pope done? Does he sleep out in the open with the homeless in winter at night, instead of letting them have his bed in comfort? Does he let the homeless into the palatial Vatican at times to take a hot shower and share the trappings of wealth? Or does he just sprinkle them with holy water? All talk – no action.

Paolo Moleman

I “don’t need no” middleman, especially a marxist phony Pope, to talk to God. I do not need any pastor, priest, reverend or rabbi either. They are all middlemen or toll collectors. No thanks.

BTW – why did the Jesuits force the apparently decent German Pope to retire. It only happened one other time in 2000 years. Francis is a phony. Sell off all the Catholic church’s vast realt estate and wealth and help the poor instead of picking my pocket. Phony Pope.

Steven Barrett

Guys, take a chill pill here. Cliff will never be satisfied unless whomever’s elected Pope is more reactionary than Pio Nono and both he and Torquemada arise from their crypts to pull a coup on the Argentine Holy Father. Only Cliff would also appreciate the irony, too.

We have an Obama Pope contradicting everything preached by his predecessors. Catholics (I am one) need to ignore what this Pope is saying and stay faithful to the Supreme Magisterium of the Church, which no Pope can change.

Peter

Haven’t you noticed. The Pope is hand in hand with liberal left uglies.
Mystery Babylon the Great Harlot . . . Mother of Earth’s abominations, hand in hand with Obama, is turning America into an Obama-nation.
Not that we love this enemy less, but that we love America more.
The 5th commandment “Honour your father and your mother” is about honouring God and country, as wedded. It comes hitched to the promise “that your days may be long in the land”. Exodus 20:12 If America’s days as a civilized nation – the U.S.A. – are to be prolonged in the land, it is important to get this right.
If “America”, the “USA”, the mother figure here, is wedded to the Roman Catholic harlot idol, the Virgin Mary Co-Redemptrix (Hosea 4:17-18), then that would be a lesbian relationship dishonouring God and country as wedded ( joined ).
The sun is setting on the greatest nation and civilization the world has seen. The Pope knows it and wants to hasten the destruction of the USA as we know it.
I ask you Rosavera, should America just lay down and die, by turning the other cheek, just for you and your Pope and New World Order under Satan?
Should America give up its life, by submitting to the communist New World Order?
If so it will be said mockingly: “She (mother) saved others, she cannot save herself.” Matt 27:41-42. After all “In all our affliction, He was afflicted.” Isaiah 63:7.

Rosavera

this is totally a dumb answer, and i am sorry to be saying this because i would rather not… the only thing i can say is LOL …

Rosavera

what do you do that makes such a difference in the world…?
And, yes, the Pope does go to the poor, and he installed places where the homeless can shower and have a meal, he does not wear any fancy garment nor does he travel in lavish autos. Again, what do you do that you so readily accuse this good man of not doing…? Answer…!

Peter

You challenge people to answer you. But you are not up to the challenges made to you – you do not answer. Fair’s fair. I will answer you after you let me know who the Co-Redemptrix is; and what the doctrine of ‘The Assumption of the Virgin Mary into Heaven’ is? I asked, “Are you up to it?”
“If you dare to answer.” “Are you a nun?” But you avoid answering.
No nerve? Why? Here is your chance to showcase a little of Roman Catholic Church doctrine. And while you are at it, tell us about the doctrine of the ‘Immaculate Conception’ as well? By the way, I noticed that the European Union was conceived on the Feast day of the Annunciation, 25th March, 1957, as the EEC common market (or European Coal and Steel Union). Curious that it was conceived same date Jesus was conceived, nine months before 25th December, don’t you think? Do you think this was a Catholic thing, making arrangements towards a New World Order ruled by Rome, the re-emergent Roman Empire – except this time globally and religiously RED communist?
You answer my questions, then I’ll answer yours. But don’t forget, a good lawyer never asks a question unless he knows the answer beforehand. So no bulldust please. Promise? Go ahead and answer!

um Rosavera you are a woman and distribute Holy Communion. Cant get any more anti catholic than that sorry.

Bernadette

Rosavera you hold the Holy Body of Christ in your hands and distribute Him to the congregation.. and you are a woman. Our Lord’s Blessed Mother did not have that privilege and She knew it. So if Our Lady who is without sin did not ever distribute the most Precious Body & Blood of Her Son I think we women who do should rethink our position in His Church. Grab a vacuum!!!!

Bernadette

Well St Louis de Montfort was pretty Catholic and so was St Francis of Assisi and Mother Theresa and St Catherine of Sienna (the list is endless) ……….. and sometimes I think………me.

Bernadette

Sacking, excommunicating or defrocking those who are blatantly against the Church for starters and welcoming them all back as a Father would when they come home like the prodigal son.

Peter

I’ll tell you what Jesus Christ would do that the Pope would not do – and that is lay down His life for His sheep. Greater love than this the Pope does not have, because this Jesuit Pope would rather eat the sheep. This wolf is no pastoral shepherd. USA, desist from the New World Order. The Pope is even now preparing the gravy and sharpening the carver knife with his kitchen hand Obama. Little Red Riding Hood said, “Oh Pope Francis, what big teeth you have.” Put Pope Francis and Obama into the stewing pot instead. When they realize where they are, they’ll soon add a lot of flavour and thickening to the stew.