He looks like a machine and I AM for going after him for the vet minimum but how old is he? Don't FBs wear out pretty fast?

Jones will be 32 in May. Jones is roughly 6 months younger then Leach, so it doesn't seem as if age should be an issue. I do agree vet minimum might not get him, but Clutts would become expendable & his money would be freed up to help sign Jones.

Jones will be 32 in May. Jones is roughly 6 months younger then Leach, so it doesn't seem as if age should be an issue. I do agree vet minimum might not get him, but Clutts would become expendable & his money would be freed up to help sign Jones.

Jones is actually 6 months older than Vonta, as Leach will turn 32 in November.

Hopefully he's got a year or two left (unless we don't sign him, in which case, hopefully he's totally washed up).

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I don't think he needs to sign at the vet minimum for it to be a good deal for us. Obviously we won't break the bank but if it takes a little bit more we can find room. We are probably talking hundreds of thousands, not millions. Clutts can stick around as a cheap backup and special teamer but I regret not keeping McManis. That guy is almost as good as Braman on teams.

I don't think he needs to sign at the vet minimum for it to be a good deal for us. Obviously we won't break the bank but if it takes a little bit more we can find room. We are probably talking hundreds of thousands, not millions. Clutts can stick around as a cheap backup and special teamer but I regret not keeping McManis. That guy is almost as good as Braman on teams.

I don't think he needs to sign at the vet minimum for it to be a good deal for us. Obviously we won't break the bank but if it takes a little bit more we can find room. We are probably talking hundreds of thousands, not millions. Clutts can stick around as a cheap backup and special teamer but I regret not keeping McManis. That guy is almost as good as Braman on teams.

Texans can draft a FB in the 7th or sign a cheaper one as an UDFA. If you can get Jones, you ditch Clutts.

I wonder how long the forearm shiver will be legal with all the new liability limitation/player safety rules? If applied to the defender's head, it probably is already illegal. The fullback may become an endangered species in the new "safer" NFL (No-contact Football League). It won't be long before the crown rule is applied to fullbacks as well as running backs (I'm not sure, they may already be included in the new rule).

In my view, the power running game is football...my big uglies versus your big uglies. Old fart that I am, I think the fullback is a fundamental part of the running game. Without it, the game becomes nothing but trickery and deception (screens, counters, play-action passes) or it devolves into the spread or run and shoot where the running play itself becomes a deception.

Third and goal at the two yard line...you know I want to run the ball...and I know you know. I must to be able to run the ball into the end zone. If you know I can't run the ball in from the two, all you have do is set six or eight DBs back in coverage and you've effectively stopped me. We've all watched this happen again and again. Somebody, either my running back or my fullback has to take care of All-Pro inside linebacker filling the gap that is my lane to the end zone.

While I do like the ability to run from a singleback formation, it has limitations when used exclusively (look at the Colts' running game for the last ten years).

Official end of rant...I think he would be a great addition for the team.

From what I've seen, and read about him, he looks and sounds like what this running game needs. I would love to have a FB back there cracking heads, and blowing defenders up opening some holes for Arian to go to work.

I wonder how long the forearm shiver will be legal with all the new liability limitation/player safety rules? If applied to the defender's head, it probably is already illegal. The fullback may become an endangered species in the new "safer" NFL (No-contact Football League). It won't be long before the crown rule is applied to fullbacks as well as running backs (I'm not sure, they may already be included in the new rule).

In my view, the power running game is football...my big uglies versus your big uglies. Old fart that I am, I think the fullback is a fundamental part of the running game. Without it, the game becomes nothing but trickery and deception (screens, counters, play-action passes) or it devolves into the spread or run and shoot where the running play itself becomes a deception.

Third and goal at the two yard line...you know I want to run the ball...and I know you know. I must to be able to run the ball into the end zone. If you know I can't run the ball in from the two, all you have do is set six or eight DBs back in coverage and you've effectively stopped me. We've all watched this happen again and again. Somebody, either my running back or my fullback has to take care of All-Pro inside linebacker filling the gap that is my lane to the end zone.

While I do like the ability to run from a singleback formation, it has limitations when used exclusively (look at the Colts' running game for the last ten years).

Official end of rant...I think he would be a great addition for the team.

Didn't sound like a rant to me. I agree with every word of it. He's a hoss and if that's not the definition of 'cut', then I don't know what is.