The reason we know God hears our prayers and uses them to accomplish his purposes is because he has promised it — and God cannot lie. The Bible says, “This is the confidence we have in approaching God: that if we ask anything according to his will, he hears us. And … we know that we have what we asked of him” (1 John 5:14-15).

God cannot lie? This is easy for God, because he is someone who never, ever speaks. The only place where God might be construed to speak is through the Bible. The Bible is quite clear that God not only hears prayers but also promises to answer them. Just read the Bible. In Matthew 7:7 Jesus says:

Ask, and it will be given you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For every one who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. Or what man of you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent? If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!

In Matthew 17:20 Jesus says:

For truly, I say to you, if you have faith as a grain of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move; and nothing will be impossible to you.

In Matthew 21:21:

I tell you the truth, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, ‘Go, throw yourself into the sea,’ and it will be done. If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer.

There are many, many verses like these. “If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer,” is about as clear and direct as you can get. What could be clearer than that?

And then we look at amputees. They can pray all day, in every possible way. They can have their friends pray. They can arrange for giant prayer circles. They can try laying on of hands. Nothing. Ever. Happens. Amputated legs never spontaneously regenerate through prayer.

Note that in his article Billy has to hedge. He has to do this because there are many, many prayers that God fails to answer even though he promises to in the Bible. Here is Billy’s hedge:

Does this mean God always answers our prayers the way we wish he would? We see only part of the picture; God sees the whole, and he knows what is best for us (and for others). Sometimes this is hard for us to accept.

So… sometimes God has to let 10 million kids starve, or 200,000 people die in a tsunami. Oh well!

If god were real, and this is how he actually operated, he would have a lot of explaining to do to all of us postmortem. How would a god expect humans to behave in a world where he sometimes intervenes, sometimes doesn’t, and you have no freakin’ clue when he will or won’t.

In other words, a god that behaves like this creates a world that is exactly the same as a world dictated by chaos.

The Skeptic’s Annotated Bible has this question of whether God lies in the section set aside for exploring the contradictions of the Bible. They found five verses noting that God cannot or does not lie, and six saying he does, so I guess the verdict is: God lies.

God sees the whole picture and he clearly knows that answering prayers for a highschool football team make more sense in the grand scheme than healing an amputee or starving children. Hard to swallow indeed.

on 23 Aug 2012 at 4:32 pm 4.DPK said …

Aside from the fact, that god, being omniscient, ALREADY KNOWS exactly what will happen… he can’t change his mind in response to your prayer because that would invalidate his foreknowledge.
If god knows that next week those 200,000 people will die in a tsunami (indeed, he not only knows it will happen… he caused it to happen because he is the cause of everything, and nothing happens except in accordance with his divine plan), then you can pray until your knees bleed… he is powerless to do anything about it. Plus, since you acknowledge that god is perfect and knows better than you what is best… why would anyone who believes this be so presumptuous as to ask god to change his mind?
I mean, if god doesn’t want your kid to die of cancer, ever think he maybe just wouldn’t have given him cancer in the first place? Why would you pray to god to save him? If god wanted him saved, he’ll be saved, if god wants him dead, he’ll die. God can’t, shouldn’t, change his mind, based on human requests…. right?

on 23 Aug 2012 at 11:49 pm 5.Mitch said …

Well communicated by Billy Graham. An incredible man who has served God so faithfully.

on 24 Aug 2012 at 12:13 am 6.Slapnuts McGee said …

Shut up Mitch. You’re an idiot.

on 24 Aug 2012 at 1:17 am 7.Lou(DFW) said …

4.Mitch said …

“Well communicated by Billy Graham. An incredible man who has served God so faithfully.”

Let’s hope for him that he picked the real god.

But of course, the only thing he served was a delusion. And he’s just another xtian apologist who makes excuses for his imaginary god.

on 24 Aug 2012 at 2:57 am 8.DPK said …

““Well communicated by Billy Graham. An incredible man who has served God so faithfully.”

Why does god need a man to “serve him”?
Just curious, since none of the theists want to actual challenge the actual content presented in the topic, other than with mindless platitudes… well, let’s at least talk about the platitudes then.
Why would an all powerful god need the likes of Billy Graham to “serve him” and to make excuses for him? And why does god allow so many “faithful servants” to dispense conflicting messages about who he is, what he wants us to do, and how to please him?

on 24 Aug 2012 at 3:07 am 9.Xenon said …

6. Lou

7. DPK

Right on cue again. They always agree and pat one another on the rear.

on 24 Aug 2012 at 3:23 am 10.Anonymous said …

Lou predicted that another one of Hor’s sock-puppets would make an appearance, and there was Xenon parroting back the argument just as he does when posting as any other of his sock-puppets

Lou, you make clearer and more accurate predictions than the bible. Are you a god?

Regarding this subject. Does any theist really, honestly believe the “yes”, “no”, or “wait” line? It covers every eventually, it’s an obvious excuse. Are xtians really that stupid to believe those lines, or do they just believe stupid things?

on 24 Aug 2012 at 4:13 am 11.Anonymous said …

“Are xtians really that stupid to believe those lines, or do they just believe stupid things?”

After reading 8 xenon, you really have to ask?
Ever notice they NEVER actually reply to any question or challenge presented… Ever?

on 24 Aug 2012 at 11:14 am 12.Lou(DFW) said …

After a long absence and after I wrote to Asher “Run away now for the next sock-puppet.”

“Right on cue again. They always agree and pat one another on the rear.”

Is lying part of your nature or do you only do it here?

Show us where either one of us complimented the other as you described. Unless you do, then you are nothing but a pathetic liar.

on 24 Aug 2012 at 12:05 pm 13.Scourge said …

Billy Graham is a charlatan and con man. He has enriched himself fabulously at the expense of the weak and foolish. He is one of the most disgusting figures of the 20th and 21st century.

on 24 Aug 2012 at 7:05 pm 14.A said …

Xenon

Good catch. We need to get them to call themselves Mutt and Jeff. :)

on 24 Aug 2012 at 7:23 pm 15.Lou(DFW) said …

13.Astrophysicist said …

“Good catch,” other me. In ASS’S mind, lying to make a point is a “good catch.”

“We need to get them to call themselves Mutt and Jeff.”

We need to get you to answer to the lies you post here, but you NEVER, EVER do – coward.

on 24 Aug 2012 at 8:30 pm 16.DPK said …

I am going to pray to Jesus really hard right now that he gives Astrophysicist a pair of balls which will give him enough testerone to gather the courage to actually start answering questions and challenges in an intellectually honest manner and stop lying.

Well, this will show if prayer works or not, huh?

on 24 Aug 2012 at 9:17 pm 17.Severin said …

They all have skin like soles, and A’s skin is like clumps.

Pachyderms.
No shame at all.

on 24 Aug 2012 at 9:31 pm 18.Right said …

Atheism is a Mental Illness, a cry for attention.

By bwinwright

Atheism is a mental illness because it is nothing more than a cry for attention. The truth is atheism is a false idea because it is based on the false premise that orderliness does not require intelligent direction.

Every argument with an atheist ends with this point. They can not overcome this one point, no matter how hard they try. I sometimes like visiting the James Randi Educational Foundation website just to duel with atheists. The JREF website is absolutely full of atheists from America, Canada, the UK, and other countries.

Most of these atheists are extremely intelligent people, highly educated, and passionate about being an atheist, denying the existence of God, and viciously ridiculing folks like me who challenge their false belief.

In reality, most of these people, claiming to be atheists, are really simply protesting against organized religion. I can understand their feelings of resentment and hostility towards organized religion because organized religion has been responsible for so much pain and suffering for so long.

However, when they deny the existence of the intelligence necessary to produce the order all around us in plain view, I have to challenge this false belief. Sometimes their arrogance and vicious sarcasm makes you want to scream, but I find dueling with atheists has made me a more patient, accepting, and loving person. It forces you to work on your ability to be patient in the face of real ugliness.

It’s a lot like the old priest counselling the young priest in the movie The Exorcist. He told him the Devil would really try to make him so angry he would lose his cool. Therefore, the old priest advised the young priest to be patient, accepting, and calm in the face of the Devil’s vicious ugliness.

Atheists like to resort to their superior understanding of evolution and natural selection to explain how orderliness was established. They scoff at the notion that highly sophisticated, enormously complex systems and organisms could have possibly required any intelligent direction from some supreme being or intelligent designer. Please.

I ask them to give me a single example of anything, outside of what they call nature, that came into being without intelligent direction. Of course, they can not. Everything manufactured by man required intelligent direction, right? Of course.

They all believe that nature just happened by luck, by some totally mindless and random action of billions and billions of particles, travelling at high speeds, colliding together over billions and billions of years, and there you have it…NATURE.

They ask, “Well if there is an intelligent being responsible for the universe, nature, and everything else, then where did it originate? Who or what produced this God of yours?

Of course, I don’t know all the answers. Most believe this intelligence we call God has always been here. But this is not the argument, is it? When you have them against the ropes, pounding on them real good, they try to change the argument. I just keep going back to my strength, the one thing I do know is that ORDER REQUIRES INTELLIGENT DIRECTION. It is really nothing more than common sense.

This is the key to holding your own with even the most intelligent, well educated atheist. This key point really pisses them off because they simply can’t figure out how to overcome it. Therefore, Intelligent Design is the only reasonable explanation for Nature, not some intelligence-free, mindless form of evolution.

Where this Intelligent Designer came from, how it originated, I don’t know. But again, all you need to know to establish the fact that atheism is a false idea is to know that ORDER REQUIRES INTELLIGENT DIRECTION.

So, if you find yourself in a duel with an atheist, you can not lose. Just remain calm and stick to your guns. Generally, if you simply hold their feet to the fire and stick to this one point, the atheist will resort to name calling and quit first. It’s like throwing holy water on Satan. It’s fun!

on 24 Aug 2012 at 9:36 pm 19.Severin said …

A,
you miserable worm, what are you still doing here after all your miserable “plops”?

Mr. Bean is, compared to you, a man of integrity and honesty, and you represent his bad caricature.

Who answers the prayers of Muslims?

on 24 Aug 2012 at 9:40 pm 20.Severin said …

17 Right
“Atheism is a mental illness because it is nothing more than a cry for attention.”

Can you kindly inform us why are YOU here?

After you do that, please provide some evidences that there is a god.

on 24 Aug 2012 at 9:46 pm 21.Severin said …

17 Right
“Atheism is a mental illness because it is nothing more than a cry for attention.”

Can you kindly inform us why are YOU here?
Why do you give a shit whether or not we are atheists?

After you do that, please provide some evidences that there is a god.

Who answers the prayers of Muslims?

on 24 Aug 2012 at 9:52 pm 22.Severin said …

17 Right
“Where this Intelligent Designer came from, how it originated, I don’t know.”

Fair enough!
However, I never claim anything I know nothing about it.
How strange that you DO!

When some idiot comes and says: I do not know anything about … (something), but I claim it works the way I say it works, we call it (in my native language, and this is direct translation): man/lady is SHITTING.

on 24 Aug 2012 at 10:37 pm 23.DPK said …

“They ask, “Well if there is an intelligent being responsible for the universe, nature, and everything else, then where did it originate? Who or what produced this God of yours?

Of course, I don’t know all the answers. Most believe this intelligence we call God has always been here. But this is not the argument, is it?”

Well, it certainly is, because you have made it so. You said, “ORDER REQUIRES INTELLIGENT DIRECTION” yet your god was supposedly created without direction.
The only argument that can be dismissed more easily than one presented with no evidence is one that violates its own premise. Why do you accept that god was not “designed” but you cannot accept that the universe was not “designed”. You are operating on a dual standard… and a contradictory one at that.
Next, even if, for the sake of argument, one assumes that the order in the universe required a “director”… how do you necessarily get to a “god” from there? If you are postulating ideas with zero evidence, than any idea is as good as any other. Then specifically, lay out how you then get from the unsupported idea of “god” to the god of the moment that others here claim loves them, reads their thoughts, wants them to stone homosexuals and adulterers to death, hates pork and foreskins and will banish you to eternal torment for the crime of not believing in him. How do you get from “order in the universe” to a personal god and an eternal life after this one ends? Many questions… but you opened the door.

on 25 Aug 2012 at 12:29 pm 24.Curmudgeon said …

“I just keep going back to my strength, the one thing I do know is that ORDER REQUIRES INTELLIGENT DIRECTION. It is really nothing more than common sense.”

Right you are right. In order to deny this one must be blind or sick in some manner. It sounds like the same atheists who frequent the JREF website come here.

on 25 Aug 2012 at 5:35 pm 25.MrQ said …

The Cur

ORDER REQUIRES INTELLIGENT DIRECTION…….In order to deny this one must be blind or sick in some manner.

If that’s true, then it would be easy for you to defend your position on the existence of a god. But, somehow, you ALWAYS FAIL to defend your position. Threads end in silence and you call that victory? Pretty lame, if you ask MrQ.

In summary: A good xtian always learns that it’s best to just believe without any investigation of the evidence and facts. It’s called FAITH. Xtianity teaches you what to believe, not how to think rationally.

on 26 Aug 2012 at 12:55 am 26.Lou(DFW) said …

24.Curmudgeon said …

“I just keep going back to my strength, the one thing I do know is that ORDER REQUIRES INTELLIGENT DIRECTION. It is really nothing more than common sense.”

“Right you are right. In order to deny this one must be blind or sick in some manner. It sounds like the same atheists who frequent the JREF website come here.”

Except that what you claim can be demonstrable proven to be an outright lie.

You are a despicable fraud.

on 26 Aug 2012 at 9:55 am 27.Anonymous said …

Mr Q has it spot on. Once again we see xtians with a post hoc
sound bite based on nothing but a desperation to be relevant. But, seriously, intelligent design? Did no one tell you that only morons believe that shit. Curmudgeon is a troll, so he’s just saying it to bait people into his game. But you others? Go back to school and get an education please. You’re embarrassing yourself.

on 27 Aug 2012 at 1:50 am 28.Curmudgeon said …

“But, somehow, you ALWAYS FAIL to defend your position.”

No, my position is defended, valid and strong. You would never accept it, but that is because you are unreasonable, biased and blind. I will make an appeal to all Christians as to the validity of God’s existence. I bet they accept the same evidence I accept.

on 27 Aug 2012 at 2:22 am 29.Lou(DFW) said …

28.Crum said …

“No, my position is defended, valid and strong. You would never accept it, but that is because you are unreasonable, biased and blind.”

HILARIOUS! Excuses, excuses – coward.

“I will make an appeal to all Christians as to the validity of God’s existence.”

So what? While you do that, I will make an appeal to all children as to the validity of the tooth fairy’s existence.

“I bet they accept the same evidence I accept.”

EXACTLY! That’s why theists are defined as deluded. And I bet all children accept the same evidence for the tooth fairy. But wait! According to 40YA-H the tooth fairy must exist because it would be an “absurdity” to think that all children who believe in the tooth fairy are deluded.

on 27 Aug 2012 at 2:55 am 30.Anonymous said …

“I will make an appeal to all Christians as to the validity of God’s existence”

yeah, yeah, yeah.

Just like you were going to produce evidence but ran away instead?

Just like you said you were done posting here, but came back when you ran out of sock-puppets?

You’re all talk, and not very intelligent talk at that.

*IF* you had something you’d present it. But you don’t. The furthest you ever get is to talk about is how you’d present something but… etc etc etc.

You’re a troll and fraud.

on 27 Aug 2012 at 12:50 pm 31.MrQ said …

Cur

I bet they accept the same evidence I accept.

Such as Noah’s Ark? 6000 year old Earth? Problem is nobody knows what evidence you accept.

Another failure of epic proportions on your part. Hey, Cur, did you know that the Catholic church, Ken Miller, and Francis Collins all consider the Theory of Evolution to be rock solid science? Does that mean that you do too?

on 03 Sep 2012 at 8:32 am 32.s0l0m0n said …

EVOLUTION is a ((((HOAX)))).

on 03 Sep 2012 at 12:23 pm 33.MrQ said …

solomon
That’s a pretty compelling statement. I am convinced!!!

Wonder why the Cur couldn’t come up with that one?

on 04 Sep 2012 at 12:51 am 34.s0l0m0n said …

MrQ,
What about this….
Evolution is absolutely not possible without the existence of the first design of things or creations.
So creation is undisputed.

on 04 Sep 2012 at 12:58 am 35.s0l0m0n said …

DPK,
To answer your confusions….
God exists on his own,theres no beginning and no end.God is not the same as anything that exists or caught in your imagination. In other words God is practically = (((NOTHING))).

on 04 Sep 2012 at 1:28 am 36.alex said …

“Evolution is absolutely not possible without the existence of the first design of things or creations.
So creation is undisputed.”

okay, so you agree allah is the creator? no? which of the thousands of bullshit gods?

try a creator that doesn’t give a shit about a miniscule earth that doesn’t even register in the vastness. whether evolution is true or not, the time frame is inconsequential in the age of the universe. of course, you idiots believe in the 10,000 year old universe. then you must claim that your bullshit god created the star light in transit so that we may see them here on earth. same bullshit god that created the dinosaur fossils.

on 04 Sep 2012 at 3:01 am 37.MrQ said …

Solomon,
How about I provide you with some clues from a Baptist inspired website that proves otherwise? Would you be happy with that?
Check biologos.org
The originator of the site is Francis Collins. Is that a good starting point, Mr Solomon?

Could you clarify something so that I have some idea of whom I am communicating with: Do you believe the planet Earth to be less than, say, 15,000 years old? Or is it more than 4 billion years years old?

Thanks Solomon.

on 04 Sep 2012 at 3:39 am 38.Anonymous said …

Solomon, apparently does not understand the meaning of the weird undisputed. Maybe this accounts for his brain-dead post.

However, he was correct in one point. His god, not that we know which of that thousands of candidates he imagines is real, is precisely nothing.

Now, Solomon, enough of the grade-school philosophy. Present evidence that this god exists. Demonstrate that your god is real and all the others are false. Hint. Ignorance, something you have shown a lot of, is not evidence.

on 04 Sep 2012 at 6:18 am 39.DPK said …

on 04 Sep 2012 at 12:58 am 35.s0l0m0n said …
DPK,
To answer your confusions….
God exists on his own,theres no beginning and no end.God is not the same as anything that exists or caught in your imagination. In other words God is practically = (((NOTHING))).

Well gee, thanks for clearing that up for me there, genius. Yeah, that makes perfect sense. Um, btw… Which god specifically are you talking about?

alex,
I did’nt mention anything regarding the universe is 10,000 years old. How could you imply that I believe that is so?
Points to ponder…
God have made the housefly fly,
Then God could make horses fly too.

on 04 Sep 2012 at 7:11 am 42.s0l0m0n said …

Anonymous,

There’s ample of evidence that this God exists.If this God did’nt exists it does’nt make sense if the complex universe or your own self could be designed or build. And this God is true coz all of Gods revelations have been proven true,consistent and can’t be refuted.

on 04 Sep 2012 at 11:38 am 43.Anonymous said …

Once again someone claims there is evidence but won’t show it and only gives circular arguments. We’ve seen this exact line before of the true god etc. Curious that Solomon won’t name his god. Coward.

Conclusion. Another nut case, another troll, another uneducated ignoramus, not worth the time of day.

on 04 Sep 2012 at 11:53 am 44.alex said …

“I did’nt mention anything regarding the universe is 10,000 years old. How could you imply that I believe that is so?”

oh, it’s not the biblical god? which one is it? you sound like an expert. what are the basis for your ponderous points?

none? then pagan gods should be good enough for you. ooops, i forget, you need that salvation shit only jesus offers.

“And this God is true coz all of Gods revelations have been proven true,consistent and can’t be refuted.”

Really? What revelations might these be? Since you have discounted the christian god, now all the christians think you are a nut job too… because they were 100% with you until you said Jesus isn’t the real god… now you are obviously crazy. Funny how that works, huh?
D

on 04 Sep 2012 at 2:15 pm 46.Anonymous said …

Posters like Solomon make things easy for us. Once someone starts with “the universe is soooo complex that it must have been designed and created by an even more complex creator that wasn’t designed or created” it’s apparent that you are dealing with someone who isn’t thinking clearly, if at all.

on 04 Sep 2012 at 5:15 pm 47.Lou(DFW) said …

41.s0l0m0n said …

“There’s ample of evidence that this God exists.”

Unless you’re one of the resident sock-puppets, then try to be honest – post your evidence or admit that you don’t have any.

on 04 Sep 2012 at 7:14 pm 48.DPK said …

I think it’s hilarious that when a certifiable nut case like solomon shows up and spouts the EXACT same crazy ass claims that the christian theists do… but states instead that the god he claims is absolutely undeniable and irrefutable is not the christian god… all of them stay away and leave him hanging out to dry. How funny is that?

What about it Curm, et al? Solomon seems to be making the same claims you do, only he claims it’s a different god and yours is bullshit. Is he crazy?

Now, when the irony sinks in and you recognize why YOU think he is crazy, THEN you will understand exactly why WE think YOU are crazy. But, you won;t get it will you? No, you will simply stay away for a while hiding your head in the sand while muttering “but they just don’t understand….”

hahaha…. kind of poetic justice

on 04 Sep 2012 at 9:10 pm 49.Lou(DFW) said …

47.DPK said …

“…all of them stay away and leave him hanging out to dry.”

It goes without saying that they’re dishonest, disingenuous, and dishonorable – just like their religion.

on 04 Sep 2012 at 10:10 pm 50.alex said …

you atheists just don’t get it, do you?

allah, jesus, ra, zeus, huitzilopochtli, and budda are all the same god. no wait…

on 05 Sep 2012 at 1:13 am 51.s0l0m0n said …

Anonymous,
Do you expect God to appear in front of your eyes.God is not your slave to do so. Even if God appear in front of your nose, you might not notice his presence or might not recognise him. Did’nt I said God is equivalent to ((((NOTHING)))). Why are you so dumb to understand.

on 05 Sep 2012 at 1:23 am 52.DPK said …

What is the practical difference between a god who is equivalent to nothing, and a god who is literally nothing?
Answer: nothing.

on 05 Sep 2012 at 1:25 am 53.s0l0m0n said …

Anonymous,

If you think the Universe is not complex enough, try to make a blob of clay walks on its belly. Here’s a very ‘simple’ exercise for you.
Atheists will inherit ((((HELL)))).

on 05 Sep 2012 at 1:27 am 54.s0l0m0n said …

DPK,
((((NOTHING)))) is also an entity but you are so dumb to understand.

on 05 Sep 2012 at 1:36 am 55.s0l0m0n said …

HIII…..HOO….ALL ATHEISTS..
THERES (((HELL)))!!
If you doubt….just gaze at the Sun.
Get back to God.
I’am not trying to be popular here.
I’am just delivering truth.

on 05 Sep 2012 at 1:40 am 56.MrQ said …

Solomon sez: Get back to god

Which one would you recommend?

on 05 Sep 2012 at 2:28 am 57.Lou(DFW) said …

46.Lou(DFW) said …

“Unless you’re one of the resident sock-puppets, then try to be honest – post your evidence or admit that you don’t have any.”

Surprise – he’s dishonest, just as the rest of them are.

on 05 Sep 2012 at 2:36 am 58.s0l0m0n said …

Lou(DFW),

Don’t try to rant regarding honest or dishonest.
There ain’t a trace of honesty on Godless fools.

on 05 Sep 2012 at 2:40 am 59.Lou(DFW) said …

50.s0l0m0n said …

“Do you expect God to appear in front of your eyes.God is not your slave to do so.”

My creator is my parents. But they not only created me, they loved and cared about me. They made me the most important thing in their lives. They did infinitely more for me than did some imaginary god. And they never threatened me to eternal damnation for not worshiping them. They never murdered children and babies. They never had any desire to flood the earth.

on 05 Sep 2012 at 3:12 am 60.DPK said …

“((((NOTHING)))) is also an entity but you are so dumb to understand.”

I think you need to stop ranting meaningless platitudes and look up the definition of “nothing”. Anyway, we all enjoy your posts. You do more to illustrate the insanity of your belief systems than anything any atheist here can do. That is why all your fellow theists have left you flapping in the wind.

on 05 Sep 2012 at 3:36 am 61.s0l0m0n said …

Lou(DFW),

You’re one confuse dude.Your parents are not your creator. They’re just instruments to create you. God is your creator.God does not care only for you. God cared for anything & everything all the time. It’s just the human that is ungrateful to what God have done.God does’nt want anything from you all. He just want you all to be a thankful subject just by worshipping him.Is that too much to ask for?

on 05 Sep 2012 at 3:41 am 62.s0l0m0n said …

DPK,

I’am not ranting rubbish…
The essence of (((NOTHING))) is not limited to the definition of your lousy dictionary.

on 05 Sep 2012 at 3:42 am 63.Anonymous said …

Solomon isn’t here to convince us that his god exists, he’s here to try to convince himself.

Note the typical backpedaling arguments. Variations on a theme of “you wouldn’t accept my (non-existent) evidence” and “god does what he wants” (as long as it doesn’t involve being present).

See how the so-called believer sets up his own argument so he doesn’t have to actually consider it. Somehow these people can state specific things that their god won’t do but completely miss that this is just a childish game of “well, I so could too fly if I wanted…I just don’t want to”. Yeah, right.

These morons sit around in church coffee shops trying to reassure each other that “the evidence is there”. None of them know what it is. None of them dare ask the others what it is in case they have to concede it doesn’t exist. Solomon is presenting to us a long, drawn-out, Monty Python skit a la Curmudgeon and his never-ending excuses. The difference is that Monty Python tried to portray their loonies to be as purposefully and woefully stupid as p1ossible.

Has Solomon, our 1atest troll, told us the name of this god? No, he hasn’t.

Has Solomon, our latest troll, told us his religion? No, he hasn’t.

Has Solomon, our latest troll, explained how he knows that all the other gods are false but his (imaginary) one isn’t? No, he hasn’t.

Has Solomon, our latest troll, provided any evidence of any kind whatsoever? No, he hasn’t.

Has Solomon, out latest troll, provided even a passing resemblance to an argument? No, he hasn’t.

Has Solomon, our latest troll, answered any questions at all? No, he hasn’t.

Rage on Solomon!
I, for one, find him entertaining. Still wondering about his use of multiple parenthesis. I wonder if god told him to use those? As if enclosing words in triple parenthese imparts some mystical meaning… Like now (((NOTHING))) magically means something different than “nothing”.

on 05 Sep 2012 at 4:59 am 66.Severin said …

59 Solomon
“He just want you all to be a thankful subject just by worshipping him.Is that too much to ask for?”

Yes, it is.

If you prove there is a god who makes innocent children suffering, I will immediately start believing in him (her? it?).

Then I will shit on him (her? it?).

on 05 Sep 2012 at 6:28 am 67.s0l0m0n said …

Atheists folks,

Forget about all your rants.
Who create the first design of things?
I bet all those dishonest hearts out there dare to answer.

on 05 Sep 2012 at 10:07 am 68.Lou(DFW) said …

65.s0l0m0n said …

“Who create the first design of things?
I bet all those dishonest hearts out there dare to answer.”

Dare to answer?! It’s easy – there’s no evidence of any “who” that was the “first design of things.” We don’t require an imaginary god to explain natural events.

“The essence of (((NOTHING))) is not limited to the definition of your lousy dictionary.”

The the essence of your “argument” is obviously not limited to reality, rationality, or logic. Redefinition of common words and ideas is a sure sign of an indefensible position, if not psychological issues. In other words, you’re a nut.

on 05 Sep 2012 at 10:18 am 70.Lou(DFW) said …

59.s0l0m0n said …

“He just want you all to be a thankful subject just by worshipping him.Is that too much to ask for?”

Yes. But if the god who allegedly created me actually showed some evidence that he exists other than through the rants of a nut like you, then I might worship him.

Oh, and I noticed that you completely ignore the questions of why a god allows the suffering of people who worship him.

on 05 Sep 2012 at 10:28 am 71.freddies_dead said …

Wow, s0l0m0n is a total nutbag.

Hey s0l, why don’t you try answering your own question? Remember to present the evidence for whichever ‘god’ you claim to believe in.

on 05 Sep 2012 at 10:34 am 72.Anonymous said …

Solomon is more than a nutbag, he’s a fraud. He has no intention of answering his own questions.

on 05 Sep 2012 at 11:01 am 73.Lou(DFW) said …

70.Anonymous said …

“Solomon is more than a nutbag, he’s a fraud. He has no intention of answering his own questions.”

All theists on this blog are frauds.

on 05 Sep 2012 at 12:35 pm 74.Anonymous said …

“All theists on this blog are frauds.”

And those that are not, or at least not on purpose, are told by Hor and his sock-puppets not to answer any questions and are sent packing that way.

on 05 Sep 2012 at 1:10 pm 75.MrQ said …

Solomon sez:
(a) God does’nt want anything from you all.
(b) He just want you all to be a thankful subject just by worshipping him.

I think I’ll take option (a).
Obviously, you have chosen option (b).
There, we’re all happy now. It’s kind of like a game of Solomon says (apologies to fans of Simon says).

on 05 Sep 2012 at 3:53 pm 76.DPK said …

“God does’nt [sic] want anything from you all.”

“He just want[s] you all to be a thankful subject just by worshipping [sic] him.”

Which is it?
And you does a being so powerful as to be able to create the entire universe simply by his will need little old me to worship him? If he requires worship, he certainly isn’t perfect, or omnipotent, is he? Sounds rather insecure and neurotic, not to mention narcissistic. But what do you expect from a being who is made entirely of nothing, or rather, (((NOTHING))).

Solomon… get back on your meds. Even the crazy ass theists on here want nothing to do with you.
I’ll bet Solomon is actually 40yr off his lithium.

on 05 Sep 2012 at 6:37 pm 77.s0l0m0n said …

“Dare to answer?! It’s easy – there’s no evidence of any “who” that was the “first design of things.” We don’t require an imaginary god to explain natural events.”Lou(DFW)

Why there are only 5 fingers on one hand? Why not 6 or 7 or none at all? Why is it always consistent & repeated.Does that shows its the product of design and mass produced. You all atheists are running away from truth. ((((HELL)))) is awaiting you.

on 05 Sep 2012 at 7:37 pm 78.Lou(DFW) said …

76.s0l0m0n said …

But he DID NOT provide any direct for his imaginary god.

If we used your “logic,” then we can completely ignore animals as evidence. If we only consider that water always freezes and thaws at the same temperature, then we can only conclude that’s because it was designed by god to do that. Simple, eh?

“You all atheists are running away from truth.”

No, actually, we are not. We have asked you to present evidence for your imaginary god, but you haven’t.

“((((HELL)))) is awaiting you.”

Please provide your evidence for hell.

on 05 Sep 2012 at 8:40 pm 79.DPK said …

“Why there are only 5 fingers on one hand? Why not 6 or 7 or none at all? ”

THIS is your evidence for a god? You’re an idiot. If we were born with 6 fingers, you;d be asking “why are there 6, and not 5. or 4?” You are like the puddle marveling at how perfectly the hole in which it lives fits it’s shape. Clearly, that hole in the ground must have been specifically designed by an intelligence specifically for that puddle… right?

Solomon, we have heard from some crazy, stupid theists here… but you get the crown. BTW… since you reject the christian god, most of the theists here think YOU are the one destined for ((((HELL))))… what if they are right, and you are wrong? How do you know? hahahaha…

on 05 Sep 2012 at 8:50 pm 80.Scourge said …

#76 s0l0m0n Why is it that a salt (NaCl) crystal always forms a cube? Why not a dodecahedron? Why is it the sun is red when it sets and not blue? Why is it that if a fat Christian and a thin Muslim each jump off a tall building at the same time they will both splatter on the ground below at the same time? Answer those questions and you will be able to answer the question about the number of fingers on a human hand. Although I would guess you might be running with a polydactyl crowd, you will arrive at the same answer.

on 05 Sep 2012 at 9:32 pm 81.Lou(DFW) said …

76.s0l0m0n said …

“Why is it always consistent & repeated.Does that shows its the product of design and mass produced.”

Why is there one horn on a rhino?

Why are there two horns on a steer?

Why are rams horns curved?

Why do deer antlers have a different number of points?

Why did dinosaurs have one, two, three or more horns? Why did they go extinct, was god’s design a poor one?

Your god doesn’t seem at all consistent, nor is he a very good designer.

on 05 Sep 2012 at 10:13 pm 82.alex said …

“.Does that shows its the product of design and mass produced.”

You’re a fucking moron, probably a mooslim or not. Afraid to admit in the hope that xtian morons would jump in to help you, but to no avail.

What the fuck does gazing at the sun do? Don’t you know that if you fly too high on your wax wings, the sun will melt them and you’ll fall to your death? Oops, wrong bullshit. Wait, doesn’t the kookran say something about some magical horse bullshit?

What? You’re not a mooslim? Then who is your god?

on 06 Sep 2012 at 1:08 am 83.s0l0m0n said …

Wha….ka…ka…ka….
Indeed my post have sparked a raging response from unbelievers. Thats a good sign.With constant coaching I believe the atheists will convert….
By the way I will respond to all your comments God willing.

on 06 Sep 2012 at 1:28 am 84.alex said …

who yor god, s0l?

on 06 Sep 2012 at 1:41 am 85.Anonymous said …

Solomon, what your post has sparked is the renationalisation that you are a little child of 8 or 9 years old, with too much time on your hands.

So, seeing as you are neither willing nor capable of of answering questions beyond what is on MTV right now, kindly do fuck off but take your meds and do work on your anger management. You’re going to end up in serious trouble with life if you can’t curtail that need of yours to incite rage in others.

Translation – I will never respond, and in a few days we will never hear from you again.

on 06 Sep 2012 at 3:24 am 87.s0l0m0n said …

Scourge,

You are wasting my time to answer your chicken feed stuffs.
God’s knowledge is incomparable to science.

on 06 Sep 2012 at 7:26 am 88.s0l0m0n said …

alex ,
You can learn a lot by gazing at the Sun.
That’s a close replica of ((((HELL)))).

And the magical horse ain’t no bullshit.
It’s very real.
Did’nt I say..

God have made the housefly fly,
Then God could make horses fly too.

Why can’t you sense a connection in the parable?
Indeed you’re a confused dude.
You are booking ((((HELL)))).

on 06 Sep 2012 at 7:44 am 89.s0l0m0n said …

Lou(DFW)wrote

Why is there one horn on a rhino?
Why are there two horns on a steer?…..bla bla bla..

Lou,

Why do you ask those silly questions?
God is the best of the best designers.
Have you heard of varieties?
God purposely create variaties so that human will not be bored with a single choice. Imagine if you have to swallow mackerel for life.

on 06 Sep 2012 at 8:24 am 90.Lou(DFW) said …

88.s0l0m0n said …

“Why do you ask those silly questions?”

LOL! Because your assertions are silly!

I notice that you didn’t answer why god’s designs go extinct.

“God purposely create variaties so that human will not be bored with a single choice. Imagine if you have to swallow mackerel for life.”

Yea, kinda like sleeping with the same woman for life.

On the other hand, there are millions of starving children who would love some mackerel. But, according to you, that millions of children starve and some don’t is part of god’s plan for putting some variety in life. Good for them. I wouldn’t want them to get bored with eating mackerel everyday.

on 06 Sep 2012 at 8:32 am 91.s0l0m0n said …

Lou(DFW) ,

You’re clearly twisting the argument.
Are you out of ideas?
That’s not a gentlemens way.
I don’t want to elaborate.

on 06 Sep 2012 at 9:08 am 92.s0l0m0n said …

Lou(DFW),

If dinosaur still exists, they might be in huge numbers and may consume most of the foods on land or sea. More childrens will starved.That might be one reason why God extinct them.

on 06 Sep 2012 at 12:30 pm 93.MrQ said …

Solomon
“If dinosaur still exists, they might be in huge numbers and may consume most of the foods on land or sea. More childrens will starved.”

Couldn’t we eat the dinosaurs? Would be a HUGE source of protein. Might take care of ALL of the starving people. Flying horses would be difficult to catch, considering their elusiveness and speed. Dinosaurs, on the other hand, would be slow moving easily beheaded targets.

on 06 Sep 2012 at 12:49 pm 94.Lou(DFW) said …

90.s0l0m0n said …

“Lou(DFW) ,

You’re clearly twisting the argument.
Are you out of ideas?”

LOL! I’m not presenting “ideas.” I’m asking you to present evidence for your idiotic claims. Rather than do that, it’s YOU who are “twisting the argument” by insinuating that I’m “out of ideas.”

on 06 Sep 2012 at 12:57 pm 95.Lou(DFW) said …

91.s0l0m0n said …

“If dinosaur still exists, they might be in huge numbers and may consume most of the foods on land or sea. More childrens will starved.”

Oh, I get it! Instead of simply not creating them in the first place, or limiting their reproductive rates, or providing enough food for them, he kills them all? Apparently he made a mistake in creating them?

And that also explains why millions of children starve to death? So millions more can live? God, in his infinite wisdom, allows children to be born (because of HIS design), who don’t have food (because of HIS design), but he then murders them by starvation so that other children won’t starve? Is that your claim, too?

“That might be one reason why God extinct them.”

In other words, you don’t have any evidence, only guesses? Or did god tell you this?

on 06 Sep 2012 at 2:39 pm 96.s0l0m0n said …

Lou(DFW),

You Questioned.
I Answer.
Fair enough.

I said…”That might be one reason why God extinct them”.
Do you understand the meaning of the word ‘might’.
Whatever brings about the extinction must have a reason.In creating them in the first place also, God might have some other reasons.Your little disdain brains may never know.
You are just twisting the arguments again.

on 06 Sep 2012 at 4:46 pm 97.Anonymous said …

Lou and others, do you really not recognize the “style” of this particular troll?

on 06 Sep 2012 at 5:53 pm 98.Severin said …

Atheiest,
Why don’t you people just ignore that idiot?

That one is even more stupid than Cur, Hor, Ben, A(ss)…

I imagine he is feeding his poor empty ego by showing his “pearls” and your responses to some “public”, while proudly explaining them how he is “dribbling” you.

His posts alone, without any comments from you, are good job for atheism.

Let him drown in his own shit.

on 06 Sep 2012 at 10:18 pm 99.DPK said …

“Atheiest,
Why don’t you people just ignore that idiot?”

Because it is way more fun making him make an utter fool of himself, even while he actually thinks he is being clever.

“That one is even more stupid than Cur, Hor, Ben, A(ss)… ”

Of course he is… that is why even those idiots won’t step up to support him. It’s just fun watching him come up with these ridiculous, absurd, responses. Funny how they all ultimately get around to us burning in hell… er excuse me, I meant (((HELL))).

on 06 Sep 2012 at 10:53 pm 100.alex said …

if my flesh burns off in hell and regenerates and burns off over and over again, wouldn’t i get used to it after the first, say, 300 years. i guess, my punishment would be eternal boredom? hey, how’s that any different that being in heaven floating around for eternity. also, wouldn’t you run out of virgins, since the horn dogs would dewarranty them? how do i know they’re horn dogs? coz, them virgins is the main motivation?

on 06 Sep 2012 at 10:58 pm 101.alex said …

“And the magical horse ain’t no bullshit.”

so you are a muslim! congrats, you silenced those xtian infidels. welcome, my brother. i’m wrong and please consider me converted.

Before you ask try to swallow an elephant first.
Whaa….ka…ka…ka…you’re funny.

on 07 Sep 2012 at 2:41 am 103.MrQ said …

Solomon,
“Before you ask try to swallow an elephant first”
Do you have knives in the country where you live? Abattoirs?

Let me ask you if Christians will be joining me in ? Mormons included? Buddhists as well? Everyone not aligned with prophet Mo and god Allah?

What happens to me if I partake in a “Draw Mo Day” event? Does the punishment worsen?

on 07 Sep 2012 at 2:45 am 104.MrQ said …

“Let me ask you if Christians will be joining me in (((HELL))) ?”

I added the pointy parentheses to put more emphasis on my message. Ooops. Sorry.

on 07 Sep 2012 at 2:47 am 105.MrQ said …

Mr moderator.
I find it extremely annoying that everything I write is moderated.
WTF gives?

on 07 Sep 2012 at 4:39 am 106.Severin said …

I understand the poor guy now!
He really has problems!

He is eating beef by swallowing cows.

on 07 Sep 2012 at 11:54 am 107.s0l0m0n said …

MrQ,

For your info, Christians will be with you side by side on the march to ((((HELL)))).

on 07 Sep 2012 at 12:08 pm 108.s0l0m0n said …

Points to ponder;

Provide fossil proofs of the gradual transition from ape to men that must have existed in abundance if evolution was true.

on 07 Sep 2012 at 12:09 pm 109.s0l0m0n said …

Who create the 1st. design of things.

on 07 Sep 2012 at 12:37 pm 110.MrQ said …

Solomon
“For your info, Christians will be with you side by side on the march to ((((HELL))))”

Oh shit. You mean eventually I must hang out with Curmudgeon/ Horatio/ Xenon/ Castbound and all the other xtians who once posted on this blog but have now vanished? They all seemed so happy and content when someone professed a belief in a deity.

Seriously, Solomon, I got some (((REALLY))) bad news for you. You will be joining us all in (((HELL))) because the chances that you picked the right god and are living the right life for passage to the promised land are (((ZERO))) percent. Just ask any of the other numerous believers in the world. The (((ONLY))) solution is to enjoy the life you have and not worry about the BS myths which people tend to cling to.

Question for you though: Is your vest ticking?

on 07 Sep 2012 at 3:02 pm 111.fol de rol said …

well we have an individual here who is quite clearly intellectually or educationally challenged

s0l0m0n – perhaps you should withdraw from this exchange for now and consider whether you want to subject yourself to ridicule and embarrassment

Is this a demonstration of the type of people easily indoctrinated by theists?

on 07 Sep 2012 at 4:49 pm 112.s0l0m0n said …

fol de rol,

Try challenge me first before campaigning me to chicken out.

on 07 Sep 2012 at 5:16 pm 113.Lou(DFW) said …

111.s0l0m0n said …

“Try challenge me first before campaigning me to chicken out.”

You did chicken-out. You don’t provide any evidence for your imaginary god.

on 07 Sep 2012 at 5:45 pm 114.Lou(DFW) said …

111.s0l0m0n said …

“Try challenge me first before campaigning me to chicken out.”

Why? It’s obvious that you are challenged.

on 08 Sep 2012 at 12:42 am 115.s0l0m0n said …

Lou(DFW),

Answer me.
Who create the 1st. design of things?
I bet you can’t answer.
((((LIARS))))

on 08 Sep 2012 at 12:45 am 116.s0l0m0n said …

No MrQ,

I will be in the paradise of ))))HEAVEN((((.
))))WOW(((( it’s worth believing….

on 08 Sep 2012 at 1:12 am 117.DPK said …

What “design of things” are you talking about, specifically? The big bang? Quantum mechanics? Atomic structure? Or are you talking about living things? Be specific please.. But while you are at it, tell us.. If your contention is that everything “had” to be designed, then who designed god?
If god did not need a designer, why do you think anything else does?

on 08 Sep 2012 at 2:18 am 118.alex said …

s0l0m0n is a troll. google the asshole.

on 08 Sep 2012 at 2:29 am 119.alex said …

s0l0m0n, those your porn sites that showed up on the search?

on 08 Sep 2012 at 3:58 am 120.s0l0m0n said …

DPK,

The design of everything and anything.
Did’nt I say God is equivalent to nothing.
Therefore there’s no need for a God designer.

on 08 Sep 2012 at 4:04 am 121.s0l0m0n said …

Provide fossil proofs of the gradual transition from ape to men that must have existed in abundance if evolution was true.

I bet the atheists can’t answer.
So evolution and the atheists beliefs is a ((((HOAX))))

on 08 Sep 2012 at 4:28 am 122.DPK said …

“The design of everything and anything.”

Everything and anything includes gods. Nice try at double talk, but no sale.

“Did’nt I say God is equivalent to nothing.”

What you say and what you prove are 2 different things. If you claim that god made the universe, then god is quite obviously not “nothing”.

“Therefore there’s no need for a God designer.”

I can see you were “taught” logic and critical thinking by some very crazy people. Now, you claim everything required a designer… how can “nothing” design “something”? You violate your own premise, and are a silly idiot.

No one is going to get sucked into a debate about evolution… it doesn’t matter. Evolution is a scientific fact… if you choose to be ignorant and disbelieve it.. fine. Nobody cares. Even if the fact of evolution was tomorrow proven to be completely, totally false, so what? That still wouldn’t prove your god “did it” or that such a thing even exists. Your entire belief system is based on ridiculous assumptions and platitudes. There is no substance to your reasoning, and you have presented zero evidence that ANY of the claims you make are in any way true. You have utter failed. Now go away.

on 08 Sep 2012 at 7:07 am 123.s0l0m0n said …

God is not anything or everything you ((((SCUM)))).
God is equivalent to nothing.

on 08 Sep 2012 at 7:23 am 124.fol de rol said …

Oh well. Seems this cretin doesn’t understand she’s already lost and just looks foolish and stupid. Where have all the theists gone? All a bit quiet on the god botherer front

on 08 Sep 2012 at 11:51 am 125.s0l0m0n said …

Atheists are stupid lots.
No…..they are ((((condemn fools)))).

on 08 Sep 2012 at 12:57 pm 126.Anonymous said …

s0l0m0n posts the same nonsense on other blogs, including the cut and paste, and he’s always about to reveal his god but never does.

As Alex said, Google is your friend.

on 08 Sep 2012 at 12:59 pm 127.Lou(DFW) said …

115.s0l0m0n said …

“Lou(DFW),

Answer me.
Who create the 1st. design of things?”

I don’t know because there is no evidence of a “who” that was the “1st. design of things.”

“I bet you can’t answer.
((((LIARS))))”

I can and did answer you honestly. It is you who is a liar because you are making a claim without any evidence. I am not making any claim. In a debate, the requirement of evidence rests upon the person making a claim – YOU.

on 08 Sep 2012 at 1:47 pm 128.Lou(DFW) said …

127.Lou(DFW) said …

Please allow me to rewrite that last comment so that you may understand it:

In a debate, the requirement of evidence rests upon the person making a claim –

((((YOU)))).

on 08 Sep 2012 at 2:51 pm 129.s0l0m0n said …

Lou(DFW),

You are plain fool.
How come there is no (((WHO))) who create the 1st. design of things.

on 08 Sep 2012 at 3:04 pm 130.DPK said …

Why have you resorted to name calling? The fact is, you are right, and we are simply agreeing with you.
You said god is equivalent to nothing.
Therefore:
Nothing created the “first design of things”.
Your words. You are right.
God is nothing. Doesn’t exist, except in your imagination.

Nothing “designed” the universe.
Nothing judges you for your sins.
Nothing is going to reward you with eternal life.
Nothing is going to send you to an eternity of torture after you are dead.
Nothing answers your prayers.
Nothing demands you worship it.

Congratulations on admitting what all the other theists here refuse to recognize.

on 08 Sep 2012 at 4:06 pm 131.s0l0m0n said …

DPK,

You’re one confuse dude.
I did’nt say god is nothing.
I said God is equivalent to nothing.
But God still exists.

You are right god is equal in all measures and effect to nothing. No argument. God indeed exists in the same manner as “nothing” exists… as an idea in your brain.
Tell me genius… do negative numbers “exist”?
D

on 08 Sep 2012 at 5:15 pm 133.Lou(DFW) said …

129.s0l0m0n said …

“How come there is no (((WHO))) who create the 1st. design of things.”

((((((((((((((((((((SIGH)))))))))))))))))))

That has already been explained here.

There can’t be a “1st. design of things” without creating the logical fallacy of infinite regression.

Stop asking the same stupid questions and present your evidence for god or STFU.

on 08 Sep 2012 at 5:28 pm 134.DPK said …

“Stop asking the same stupid questions and present your evidence for god or STFU.”

Unless you can demonstrate that your nonsense is anything other than delusional ramblings, then you’re just embarrassing yourself.

You’ve posted these imbecilic statements of yours in other places and you always, always, make up an excuse to avoid giving clear and concise answers to any questions. That you seem to think that your constant evasions are in any way clever, significantly answers many questions as to your integrity, honesty, and intentions.

Considering that the only explanations that anyone comes up with all have elements of your “you can’t test my god, you can’t measure it, detect it, but it’s there” rationalizations it should be obvious why people like you are regarded as idiots and fools.

You’ve been asked before. Prove it, or STFU.

on 08 Sep 2012 at 8:18 pm 137.DPK said …

hahahahaha….

“Equivalent to nothing does’nt mean that something does’nt have an essence.”

It means exactly that. It is nothing… No – Thing.

Tell us please… what is the essence of “nothing” and how does it affect events in the physical universe?

How, please explain, does an entity that is the functional equivalent of “nothing” as you have stated, design a universe? This should be even funnier than watching you make shit up as you go along. Why won’t you answer anyone questions?
Do negative numbers “exist”?
What actual evidence do you present to convince us that ANY of the claims you have made are in any way true?

You’re the most fun of any theist I’ve seen here in a long time. Crazy doesn’t even begin to describe you.

on 09 Sep 2012 at 12:35 pm 138.Lou(DFW) said …

135.s0l0m0n said …

“When something is equivalent to nothing,value, measure, force, effect, significance, etc no longer have an effect.Equivalent to nothing does’nt mean that something does’nt have an essence.

There’s a difference in nothing that exists and nothing that did’nt exist.”

Now he’s using that old theist ploy of using word-games and semantics in lieu of answering questions about his delusion or evidence for his imaginary god.

on 09 Sep 2012 at 3:16 pm 139.DPK said …

By definition, if “nothing” exists and has properties, i.e., an “essence”, then it is not in fact, nothing, it is something.

Word games and non-sensical sound bites aside… is solomon (a curious moniker for someone so decidedly stupid) going to actually present any evidence that the particular god HE claims is real, actually exists? Or, is he just another fart in the wind, unpleasant, but insignificant?

And what has become of Hor, Ben, and the theists contingent? They are suspiciously silent. How about an opinion from the puppet choir? Solomon says god is the equivalent of nothing… is he right? He also says god is sending all of you christians to hell for picking the wrong god to worship. Could he be right? How do you know? Man, the theists run fast when one of their own breaks ranks, huh? Solomon is 100% certain that he knows the real god…. just like you guys. How does that fit into your world view?

on 10 Sep 2012 at 12:53 am 140.s0l0m0n said …

MrQ ,
I miss your comments on 4th Sept 2012: 3.01am,

I don’t believe the planet Earth to be less than, 15,000 years old? But sure this earth is very very old.Only God knows the exact age of this earth.

on 10 Sep 2012 at 9:16 am 141.s0l0m0n said …

Lou(DFW),

Which part of my words are “word-games and semantics” if you’re the man of truth. The problem is that my words are true and you can’t refute my doctrines.

on 10 Sep 2012 at 9:24 am 142.s0l0m0n said …

“By definition, if “nothing” exists and has properties, i.e., an “essence”, then it is not in fact, nothing, it is something.”

YES…

The something is God…
Whaaa….ka..ka..ka…

on 10 Sep 2012 at 9:31 am 143.freddies_dead said …

I was right first time. Total. Fucking. Nutbag.

All we’ve ended up with from all of s0l0m0n’s posts is that God = Nothing – and we already knew that.

on 10 Sep 2012 at 12:35 pm 144.Lou(DFW) said …

141.s0l0m0n said …

“Which part of my words are “word-games and semantics” if you’re the man of truth.”

If he was to put substance to his points then he’d immediately look like an idiot. This way he looks an even bigger fool but he deludes himself that people can’t “refute his (delusional) doctrines”. 40YA-hole also does this which is probably why people see a similarity in their ramblings.

In the end Solomon is trying to shift the burden of proof. In order to avoid being drawn into an answer he tells the lie that he will answer when his god is willing. His can’t prove that his god is not imaginary so he makes up his elaborate excuse.

Watch. He has no reason not to give a direct and clear answer but to answer doesn’t fit in with his agenda of trolling. Remember, he does this on other sites and he also finds excuses not to answer their questions.

Solomon, tell us which religion and god you worship? Be specific, name names. If it isn’t a mainstream religion then explain why you are right and the billions of others are wrong?

on 10 Sep 2012 at 1:36 pm 146.Severin said …

Solomon
“Equivalent to nothing does’nt mean that something does’nt have an essence.”

It does.
“Equivalent to nothing” = “nothing”, and no “nothing” can have any other “essence” but NOTHING (no thing, empty set, nothing in there: no substance, no essence, no properties, no characteristics, NOTHING).
Period.

on 10 Sep 2012 at 1:42 pm 147.Severin said …

Nice of you that you admitted god was NOTHING (does not exist).

on 10 Sep 2012 at 2:08 pm 148.Severin said …

Solomon,

In the first place you have to understand that “nothing” and “equivalent to nothing” are absolutely the same things: NOTHING.

So, if you give essence to “nothing”, it can’t be “nothing” any longer, it becomes SOMETHING.
Something MUST have attributes, MUST be observable, measurable, …
So, if your god has the essence, it is neither “nothing” nor “equivalent of nothing”, it is something.
However, if you claim that something exists, YOU have to prove it does, not me.
If I claimed there was Santa, or mermaids, you would ask me to provide evidences for my claims, wouldn’t you?

DPK (#139) was right, but you are too stupid to understand him.

You are expected to provide evidences that your “equivalent to nothing with essence” exists (which you will never do).

on 10 Sep 2012 at 2:13 pm 149.Severin said …

What sort of a dark wall exists in minds of those people, that they can’t pass by, or jump over, but only hit it with their heads?

on 10 Sep 2012 at 2:28 pm 150.Anonymous said …

Severin, on the wall is writ “as long as I make vague claims and make excuses as to why this can’t be tested, they can’t disprove my shit, therefore it’s real”

In order to keep up that illusion, they dodge questions and throw out nonsense ones to keep their inquisitors busy. When pinned down they choose to disappear, play the victim card, claim alternate versions of the truth, or declare that your showing the stupidity of their claim is “off topic”. Then they feel justified in demanding that you answer their nonsense question.

What they don’t do is address your questions or acknowledge your points head on.

It seems that in a few thousands of years, paralleling our ability to test their claims, the Xtian god has gone from a walking, talking, man-about-town to some ethereal being who, conveniently, inhabits some untestable and undetectable environment. What a great example of evolution and adaptation that surely is!

Whatever you twist, however you twist, you can’t refute my doctrines coz my doctrines were true..
May respond to all your comments later God willing.

on 11 Sep 2012 at 12:55 am 155.Anonymous said …

145

In the end Solomon is trying to shift the burden of proof. In order to avoid being drawn into an answer he tells the lie that he will answer when his god is willing. His can’t prove that his god is not imaginary so he makes up his elaborate excuse.

No-one has to refute your doctrine. You have to prove it. You can’t, so you won’t. You’re transparent and it’s pointless discussing things with someone as ludicrous and dishonest as yourself.

If you believe your own shit, which I doubt you do, then please get some help. Really.

on 11 Sep 2012 at 12:56 am 156.alex said …

sol. bet you wear seatbelts, doncha? dumbfuck, doesn’t believe in his own god.

on 11 Sep 2012 at 1:08 am 157.Anonymous said …

Invisible Pink Unicorns are beings of great spiritual power. We know this because they are capable of being invisible and pink at the same time. Like all religions, the Faith of the Invisible Pink Unicorns is based upon both logic and faith. We have faith that they are pink; we logically know that they are invisible because we can’t see them

Can Solomon disprove the above? Try, if you dare. If not then by his failed excuse for logic Solomon must accept that the Invisible Pink Unicorn exists. Which it doesn’t. Or does it?

Your doctrine appears to be that God = Nothing. We already know this so there’s nothing to refute.

May respond to all your comments later God willing.

I’m guessing God’s never going to be willing. Not really a surprise when He’s nothing.

on 11 Sep 2012 at 9:40 am 165.alex said …

sol. don’t worry. in a few years, when the oil is gone, your dipshit god will be relegated back to the desert dwelling, camel jockeying, women oppressing, idiots that make up your kind. irrelevant asshole. we get enough shit from the xtians around here without your additional.

on 11 Sep 2012 at 11:48 am 166.Lou(DFW) said …

163.s0l0m0n said …

“God have made the housefly fly,
Then God could make horses fly too.

You cannot refute that.”

You are a delusional idiot.

You cannot refute that.

on 11 Sep 2012 at 1:18 pm 167.DPK said …

God have made the housefly fly,
Then God could make horses fly too.

But curiously, he can’t heal amputated limbs. Why is that?

on 11 Sep 2012 at 1:36 pm 168.Anonymous said …

“Then God could make horses fly too.“

At a stroke we see.how feeble Solomon’s god is, which leads us to the fact that we can ignore him and his impotent god.

According to one variation Poseidon, who can be named and we can read about in books, so it must be true, created Pegasus the winged horse. No could here, so immediately Solomon’s god is second rate at best.

Further, we can still see the constellation of Pegasus in the northern sky. So, Pegasus is more real than Solomon’s under-achiever of a deity.

He could if he wanted.
Can’t you see God have heal amputated tail of lizards.

on 12 Sep 2012 at 1:10 am 172.s0l0m0n said …

To all Atheists,

I have a very simple formula to all your confusions regarding God=nothing stuffs.

The solution is…

God=God

Whaaaa…ka…ka…ka…

on 12 Sep 2012 at 1:23 am 173.alex said …

“Can’t you see God have heal amputated tail of lizards.”

daaaaamn. your god also regenerates cut hair. i take it back. you are da man. now, go feed your camel.

on 12 Sep 2012 at 1:32 am 174.MrQ said …

Sol,
As a muslim, are you proud of some of the adherents of your faith who:
fly airliners into buildings,
destroy buddhists statues,
subjugate females,
commit suicide with explosives,
are offended by teddy bears named Muhammed,
etc, etc?

What a world you live in. Afraid of shadows, afraid of other faiths. You are an insult to intelligent thought, a warrior for ignorance, and a boil on the ass of humanity. Congratulations.
Come out of the dark ages and try joining the present century.

on 12 Sep 2012 at 1:56 am 175.Anonymous said …

Folks, you’re wasting you time with the troll.

Search on Google and you’ll find that solomon just copies his stuff from post to post; even his stupid comments are recycled – like that would take any thought. In that way, he’s as much a coward and fraud as the Curmudgeon persona in that both have been promising things for over a year, but never deliver, and never will.

Ignore him. He ignores your questions, after all.

on 12 Sep 2012 at 2:57 am 176.s0l0m0n said …

“He could if he wanted.”
Oooopss sorry…
He could if he wanted to.

on 12 Sep 2012 at 3:02 am 177.s0l0m0n said …

alex,

“daaaaamn. your god also regenerates cut hair”

That’s different.
Hair grows back to unlimited length.
The tail grows back to its original length and form.

Whaaaa….ka…ka…ka…

on 12 Sep 2012 at 3:07 am 178.s0l0m0n said …

Atheists are condemn fools. It’s easy to play around with their retarded thoughts.

on 12 Sep 2012 at 3:20 am 179.Anonymous said …

Solomon, three zeroes? You are that useless that you need to call yourself a zero three times? Poor baby, no wonder you need an imaginary friend.

Post 168 consigned your imaginary god to the scrapheap. You don’t have a comeback nor do you have a god. All you have is your stupidity and lies.

on 12 Sep 2012 at 3:47 am 180.s0l0m0n said …

Anonymous,

You are a perfect example of the candidate of ((((HELL)))).

on 12 Sep 2012 at 3:56 am 181.Lou(DFW) said …

176.s0l0m0n said …

“That’s different.
Hair grows back to unlimited length.”

Eyelashes don’t.

on 12 Sep 2012 at 7:10 am 182.Anonymous said …

Oh, look, someone who has yet to respond to anyone’s actual point is threatening me with something that doesn’t exist. I am so scared I won’t sleep for weeks. Wait, no I’m not. Zero, you’re a loser. Now get lost.

on 12 Sep 2012 at 8:21 am 183.s0l0m0n said …

Lou(DFW),

“Eyelashes don’t.”
emmm..clever..
hear this..
Just like your limbs, they don’t you scum.

Make claims, refuse to back them up.
Make claims, ignore questions.
Make strawman arguments, invent excuses.
Make childish comments, try to bait a response.
Make even more childish comments, try harder to get a response.

By the way, is anyone else laughing themselves silly about being threatened by the punishment of being sent to an imaginary place by an imaginary god from an 8th grader who is making it all up anyway?

on 13 Sep 2012 at 1:13 pm 193.Lou(DFW) said …

187.s0l0m0n said …

“Refute my doctrines”

What doctrines? You haven’t presented any doctrines to refute.

You haven’t presented evidence against which to present an argument.

All you do is rant, rave, threaten, and insult.

((((THAT))))) is your doctrine – one that is self-refuting.

on 14 Sep 2012 at 12:41 am 194.s0l0m0n said …

It’s crystal clear the atheists are out of argument.It’s about time to migrate to other sites.

on 14 Sep 2012 at 1:59 am 195.Lou(DFW) said …

194.s0l0m0n said …

“It’s crystal clear the atheists are out of argument.It’s about time to migrate to other sites.”

Coward

86.Lou(DFW) said …

82.s0l0m0n said …

“By the way I will respond to all your comments God willing.”

Translation – I will never respond, and in a few days we will never hear from you again.

on 14 Sep 2012 at 2:30 am 196.s0l0m0n said …

“By the way I will respond to all your comments God willing.”

I guess God is not willing, that’s why I’am reluctant.

Whaa…..ka…ka…ka…..

It’s a privilege being a theist…

Whaaa….ka…ka…ka…

on 14 Sep 2012 at 3:46 am 197.Lou(DFW) said …

196.s0l0m0n said …

“I guess God is not willing…”

LOL! Of course he isn’t – he doesn’t exist.

“…that’s why I’am reluctant.”

LOL! Of course you’re reluctant because you don’t have a leg to stand on! Yea, I’d be “reluctant” to defend a delusional belief for which I have absolutely no evidence.

“Reluctant” – yea, that’s the ticket, “reluctant.”

Hilarious stuff!

on 14 Sep 2012 at 12:05 pm 198.Anonymous said …

It was obvious right from the start the Solomon was going to use “god willing” as an excuse to avoid answering questions. Surely, even a believer would have seen his blatant dishonesty and childish intentions?

on 14 Sep 2012 at 1:12 pm 199.Xenon said …

alex

Stop pretending to be s0l0m0n. Anyone with half a brain can see who s0l0m0n really is.

on 14 Sep 2012 at 1:45 pm 200.Lou(DFW) said …

199.Xenonsense said …

“Stop pretending to be s0l0m0n. Anyone with half a brain can see who s0l0m0n really is.”

And anyone with half a brain knows that you are always the first to ask “who farted?”

on 14 Sep 2012 at 11:23 pm 201.alex said …

“alex
Stop pretending to be s0l0m0n.”

you’re a moron. which part am i supposed to be pretending. you really think i’m pretending to be a muslim?

you just can’t believe that s0l0m0n’s muslim shit is not any different than your xtian crap?

google the fucker. his shit is verbatim.

on 15 Sep 2012 at 2:47 am 202.s0l0m0n said …

HI!…HO….! ALL ATHEISTS……!

You all just can’t justify there is no God.

You lose in every aspect..

You all will be chased to ((((HELL)))).

Bravo!..((((Xenon))))
Bravo!…..

on 16 Sep 2012 at 9:37 pm 203.s0l0m0n said …

No doubt…
The Atheists are out of arguments.

on 16 Sep 2012 at 10:49 pm 204.DPK said …

Bravo!..((((Xenon))))
Bravo!…..

Solomon, hate to break it to you, but Xenon is a Christian who is going to spend eternity in (((HELL))). He also thinks you are completely delusional in your false worship and that you will spend eternity in hell unless you accept (((JESUS))) as you personal savior.

Ka ka ka.

on 16 Sep 2012 at 11:04 pm 205.Anonymous said …

solomon doesn’t realize that his doctrine is so tiny, so ineffective, so child-like that no-one need refute it.

As for their being no gods; well, it depends. Would you call personally sharing Quantum Consciousness with the Eternal Infinity a religion? Would you call The Eternal Infinity, that which is everything, a god? I think not. The Eternal Infinity is much more than just a god. It is Everything that ever was and will ever be,

The Teachings of The Eternal Infinity predict that false wise people will come amongst us and that they will try to muddy our minds with talk of lesser beings such as the god of the Muslims. We are to treat them as amusing stories.

Nothing and no-one can refute The Eternal Infinity. Because of that there is no-need to consider the quaint gods from the bible. They are insignificant and not worthy of comparison.

Unlike others here, I will gladly answer all questions about The Eternal Infinity as best as I can. What solomon must understand is that he worships “nothing” but a bigger, better, path is lit by That That Is Everything.

Clearly, Everything is much bigger than “nothing”. So unless solomon can prove that his nothing is bigger than everything, his claims are nothing but insignificant babbling in the wind.

on 16 Sep 2012 at 11:07 pm 206.DPK said …

Pray tell, A, does this eternal infinity of which you speak answer prayers, appear in slices of toast, and want us to cut off our foreskins?
If not, how can he be a real god?

on 16 Sep 2012 at 11:41 pm 207.Anonymous said …

The Eternal Infinity is all around us so it appears in toast only to the extent that it is the toast.

Does it answer prayers? No, of course not. What point is there in praying to something that already knows everything? Speaking for myself, prayers almost sound like nagging.

The Eternal Infinity would have no reason for you to cut off your foreskin. If it helped you reach and attain Quantum Consciousness, then maybe it’s something you should try.

“If not, how can he be a real god?” – Well, for a start “he’s” not really a “he”, that’s just using the word “he” as a kind of placeholder. As I already said the term “god” is too limiting as The Eternal Infinity has progressed past such considerations of being a being.

on 17 Sep 2012 at 12:09 am 208.DPK said …

So, it doesn’t answer prayers, it doesnt judge me for my sins, it doesn’t want anything of me…. I give up, how is this uber god any different from no god?
And what exactly is “quantum consciousness”.? Sounds suspecialy like quantum bullshit to me. Do you even know what “quantum” means?

on 17 Sep 2012 at 2:06 am 209.s0l0m0n said …

The atheists are finally searchin’ for a ((((GOD))))???

on 17 Sep 2012 at 2:17 am 210.DPK said …

We’ve always been searching for a god. Just haven’t found any. Got any evidence yours actually exists? Haven’t heard anything yet but empty claims and lies.
Now “A” steps up with yet another set of unsupported and unprovable claims. At least his imaginary eternal infinity acts and behaves exactly like no god at all.

on 17 Sep 2012 at 4:43 am 211.s0l0m0n said …

At Last the God thing is true….
No one can escape from that fact.

Come back to the true God almighty
You won’t regret…

on 17 Sep 2012 at 4:46 am 212.s0l0m0n said …

The true God has no begining and no end.
He exist on his own..
He’s not comparable to anything or everything that you have come across or imagine.
He’s practically = nothing

on 17 Sep 2012 at 4:47 am 213.s0l0m0n said …

The true God has no beginning and no end.
He exist on his own..
He’s not comparable to anything or everything that you have come across or imagine.
He’s practically = nothing

on 17 Sep 2012 at 10:10 am 214.Anonymous said …

solomon, you keep claiming that no-one can refute your doctrine yet you are completely unable to disprove that The Eternal Infinity is greater that your unnamed god. According to your “rules” that means you have lost the debate. You must either disprove all other claims or accept that you are lying to yourself and everyone else.

on 17 Sep 2012 at 10:34 am 215.s0l0m0n said …

I am claiming that no-one can refute my doctrine coz it’s a fact that no-one dare/is able to refute my doctrines coz my doctrines is true.

Nobody is able to refute truth.

on 17 Sep 2012 at 10:38 am 216.s0l0m0n said …

Atheists, unable to refute the existence of God tries hard to divert viewers from truth by creating the ‘Eternal Infinity ‘ concept.
Truth will soon wipe out that concept.
Come on…lay out that concept and lets have a challenge.

on 17 Sep 2012 at 12:25 pm 217.Severin said …

Solomon,

We are not trying to refute your doctrine that god is nothing.
I completely agree with you.

God = nothing.
Fine!
That is what I am saying all the time.

on 17 Sep 2012 at 2:41 pm 218.s0l0m0n said …

God = nothing

But God exist…

on 17 Sep 2012 at 2:59 pm 219.Anonymous said …

solomon, you should take up your own challenge. So far all you have said is that your god=nothing. There we all agree.

No-one need refute that, no-one need rise to the challenge of disproving that. Look at you… it’s pathetic; you won’t even put a name to your supposed-god yet there you are demanding things of others and trying to escape questions by claiming fabrications. Yet you are the one who won’t provide answers.

The lady doth protest too much, methinks – what no-one can refute is that you are nothing but a troll.

on 17 Sep 2012 at 3:33 pm 220.Severin said …

Solomon,

O.K., you told us so many times that your “nothing god” exists, that we are all going to hell, …, blah blah …

That is very fine. I am happy for you.
You are free to believe whatever shit you please, and no one will say a word if you keep believing it FOR YOURSELF.
But haven’t you noticed that you are SO boring? All you are doing is repeating and repeating your claims like a parrot.

Why don’t you go to another place to fuck other people with your “parrot-isms” until THEY find you boring?

WHY are you here?
What do you expect us to do with your endless repeating of what you believe?

on 18 Sep 2012 at 12:33 am 221.s0l0m0n said …

I’am here coz I don’t want most of you to enter ((((HELL)))).
Is that loud & clear?

on 18 Sep 2012 at 12:41 am 222.Lou(DFW) said …

221.s0l0m0n said …

“I’am here coz I don’t want most of you to enter ((((HELL)))).”

That’s a lie. If it was true, then you would provide evidence for your imaginary god. But you NEVER, EVER do.

on 18 Sep 2012 at 10:04 am 223.s0l0m0n said …

Lou(DFW),

What kind of evidence are you nagging for?
Can’t you understand simple english.
How many times do I have to say.

God=nothing….

Even if God sits in front of your nose, you might not recognize him.

on 18 Sep 2012 at 11:51 am 224.Lou(DFW) said …

223.s0l0m0n said …

“What kind of evidence are you nagging for?”

How about your evidence for ((((HELL))))?

on 18 Sep 2012 at 1:43 pm 225.s0l0m0n said …

How about your evidence for ((((HELL))))?

Gaze at the ((((SUN))))

That’s ‘about’ ((((HELL))))

on 18 Sep 2012 at 2:17 pm 226.fol de rol said …

(((wow))) what an (((idiot)))

on 18 Sep 2012 at 2:18 pm 227.Lou(DFW) said …

225.s0l0m0n said …

“Gaze at the ((((SUN))))

That’s ‘about’ ((((HELL))))”

So, all the stars in the sky are ((((HELL))))?

I thought they were supposed to be ((((HEAVEN)))).

on 18 Sep 2012 at 2:52 pm 228.DPK said …

We really need to stop feeding the trolls.

on 18 Sep 2012 at 3:22 pm 229.fol de rol said …

I know but (((s/he’s)))just so (((funny))) :)

on 18 Sep 2012 at 5:11 pm 230.s0l0m0n said …

I was just giving an example….
you ((((SCUMS))))

on 18 Sep 2012 at 5:17 pm 231.Lou(DFW) said …

230.s0l0m0n said …

“I was just giving an example….
you ((((SCUMS))))”

Sure you were, moron.

So, gives us some direct evidence of ((((HELL)))) to which you claim we are going.

Exactly as I thought – you didn’t provide said evidence. You are a ((((LIAR)))).

“There’s ((((HELL))))….
((((HELL)))) exists….”

Those are ((((CLAIMS)))), not evidence. In this case your claims are ((((LIES)))).

That makes you a ((((LIAR)))).

on 19 Sep 2012 at 12:54 am 234.s0l0m0n said …

“That makes you a ((((LIAR)))).”

You can’t justify I’am a liar.

on 19 Sep 2012 at 1:43 am 235.Anonymous said …

“You can’t justify I’am a liar.”

Of course he can, moron. You make assertions then make excuses when asked to provide backing. That you’ve been making excuses for a year or so is proof enough that you don’t have the knowledge that you claim. Hence, you’re a liar. You’re also a troll, but that you don’t dispute.

And, once again, just where do you get off demanding that people can’t “justify” something when you’re the coward that won’t answer reasonable questions derived from your posts? Who the fuck do you think you are other than a child who doesn’t understand the first thing about evidential claims?

Seeing as you are being schooled in manners and content let me also remind you that you don’t have a “doctrine” at all. Do you even understand what a “doctrine” is? No need to answer that as you clearly don’t. So, to say that no-one can “refute you doctrine” when you haven’t actually provided one, just marks you a complete tool and failure.

But then, you’re just a troll which explains everything about your posts here and on other forums.

on 19 Sep 2012 at 1:54 am 236.s0l0m0n said …

I don’t want to hear rants…
Just refute my doctrines if you’re the man of truth.
Atheists are self condemned.

on 19 Sep 2012 at 2:00 am 237.s0l0m0n said …

God have made the housefly fly,
Then God could make horses fly too.

Therefore there are possibilities of horses having wings…..
Now…refute that.

on 19 Sep 2012 at 3:04 am 238.Anonymous said …

Look, asshole, you have yet to refute that the god Poseidon created Pegasus the winged horse. Not could, but did. Therefore your god is a pathetic loser.

Prove it wrong, or you lose.

on 19 Sep 2012 at 3:16 am 239.s0l0m0n said …

It’s not Pegasus that created the winged horse.
It’s the true God that created it…

on 19 Sep 2012 at 3:25 am 240.Anonymous said …

So having failed to even attempt to prove his case, solomon loses. Game over. Nothing to see here, move along please.

on 19 Sep 2012 at 3:41 am 241.Lou(DFW) said …

237.s0l0m0n said …

“God have made the housefly fly,
Then God could make horses fly too.”

You even play word games with your propositions because you know that they’re lies.

The correct wording of your proposition would be:

If God have made the housefly fly,
then God could make horses fly, too.

The key word that you omitted is ((((IF)))). If means assuming. You are assuming, and lying to us, that god exists. But you never provide any evidence for god or (((((HELL)))) – liar.

on 19 Sep 2012 at 3:52 am 242.Lou(DFW) said …

234.s0l0m0n said …

“You can’t justify I’am a liar.”

LOL! You’re exactly right! I don’t have to do that.

And you claim that athesits are self-condemned. Ha-Ha-Ha!

on 19 Sep 2012 at 6:24 am 243.s0l0m0n said …

Lou(DFW),

You are lousy with words….
I am not assuming God have made the housefly fly,
I’am confirming God have made the housefly fly.Why it is confirmed? Coz nothing else could exist without God’s invention.

on 19 Sep 2012 at 11:27 am 244.MrQ said …

Sol
“Coz nothing else could exist without God’s invention.”

Don’t you mean that gods couldn’t exist without man’s imagination?

Look around, Sol. So many gods to choose from and you have the right one. Xtians are wrong, as are other sects of Islam. Only you get your ticket punched; everyone else is bound for ((((HELL))))(tm).

on 19 Sep 2012 at 11:28 am 245.Anonymous said …

Solomon, repeating your failed proposition doesn’t change the fact that you lost the argument. Go away.

on 19 Sep 2012 at 11:55 am 246.Lou(DFW) said …

243.s0l0m0n said …

“Lou(DFW),

You are lousy with words….”

And you are lousy with evidence.

“I am not assuming God have made the housefly fly,
I’am confirming God have made the housefly fly.Why it is confirmed? Coz nothing else could exist without God’s invention.”

I’m not assuming that you’re a moron, I’m confirming that you’re a moron. “Coz” nothing else could explain the stupidity of your comments and your refusal to prevent any evidence for any of your baseless claims.

on 19 Sep 2012 at 3:24 pm 247.s0l0m0n said …

Lou(DFW),

Go and kick your own ass out of this site unless you have something substance to debate.

on 19 Sep 2012 at 3:47 pm 248.Lou(DFW) said …

246.s0l0m0n said …

“Lou(DFW),

Go and kick your own ass out of this site unless you have something substance to debate.”

You’re right – we don’t have something of substance to debate because you and your ilk NEVER, EVER provide any evidence to support your claim so that we can debate it. Repeating the same claims over and over without evidence is not a debate.

If you want me or anyone else to debate you, then provide something against which we can debate. When you can grow-up and do that, then come back and debate with the adults.

on 21 Sep 2012 at 2:03 pm 249.s0l0m0n said …

This is a test to demonstrate that the atheists are the actual liars….

God poured water(rain) from the sky…

Up till to this instant the rain have never failed to fall from the sky. Who could have the guts to confirm that, other than the true God.

See if the atheists could refute that

on 21 Sep 2012 at 3:55 pm 250.Lou(DFW) said …

249.s0l0m0n said …

“God poured water(rain) from the sky…”

He was simply pissing on you.

on 21 Sep 2012 at 5:52 pm 251.s0l0m0n said …

The same water that you consume daily……

Whaaa…ka….ka….ka….

See…how stupid the atheists are…

on 21 Sep 2012 at 6:31 pm 252.MrQ said …

Sol,
Do they ever discuss concepts such as the effects of evaporation, condensation, precipitation (the water cycle) in the place where you reside?
Check: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpxx4OkDDGM It’s hopefully at your speed, or do we need to go slower?

Where is god in the cycle?

on 21 Sep 2012 at 6:40 pm 253.DPK said …

Lou… there is no arguing with an imbecile.
Stop feeding the trolls or they’ll never leave.
ka ka ka indeed.

on 21 Sep 2012 at 9:40 pm 254.s0l0m0n said …

HI…HO….!! All….ATHEISTS….!

You’ll never win against truth.

Whaaaaa….ka….ka….ka….

on 22 Sep 2012 at 12:18 am 255.alex said …

Odin loves all y’all, even the xtians. If you’re good and believe in Him, fourteen Scandinavian virgin beauties await in Norse heaven. Hurry because time is running out.

Help me make some Odin signs so we can display them at football games and other gatherings. We’ll righteously proclaim “May Odin bless you” as a standard greeting. Who’s with me?

PS. Viking God owns Allah, Christ, and the rest of the pretenders.

on 22 Sep 2012 at 2:16 am 256.s0l0m0n said …

The atheists are out of argument???
((((SILLY))))

on 22 Sep 2012 at 3:18 am 257.Anonymous said …

Alex, you are absolutely right. It’s a shame that Xtians adopted the rather needy and weedy tribal god of the bronze-age goat herders when they had so many better gods that they could have eventually settled on. Odin rules.. literally.

By the way, what’s with J-boy’s need for everyone to hate themselves simply because he says so? Right from the get-go Jesus, as his dad, set Adam and Eve up as patsies in order that he (as his dad) could have someone to take his ever-present temper out on.

No wonder Xtianity is a religion that promulgates fear, hatrid and Xenophobia.

on 22 Sep 2012 at 5:37 am 258.s0l0m0n said …

What about the ((((TRUE))))religion??

on 22 Sep 2012 at 5:44 am 259.s0l0m0n said …

MrQ

I don’t even have to peek into the YouTube to find it’s contents. Let’s say I labelled it as child’s play or a lower form of knowledge.Don’t bring around that kind of stuffs in future.

However the effects of evaporation, condensation, precipitation…..bla…bla…bla….is only a process/method/laws that took place with the order from God.

on 22 Sep 2012 at 11:31 am 260.Anonymous said …

Yes, our troll reminds us that he lost the argument about who was more powerful, Poseidon or his made-up nonsense with Poseidon coming out the winner. Big time fail there.

He also was unable to refute the arguments about the Invisible Pink Unicorn and the Eternal Infinity, thus failing again. Nor was he able to argue against Odin’s superiority and we didn’t see him debunking Harry Potter’s powers either. One wonders why he still puts up his failing arguments. Oh yes, he’s a troll.

You’d think if this Abrahamic god was so powerful that they’d have better arguments. Apparently not but that’s what you get with imaginary or made up gods.

on 22 Sep 2012 at 12:23 pm 261.MrQ said …

Sol,
Thank-you for putting a smile on my face. You really are over the top fanatically religious. Your logic (or lack thereof) make you entirely bulletproof to reality.
Keep up the posts – I sometimes need reminders why it’s a good idea to stay an atheist.

on 22 Sep 2012 at 12:32 pm 262.s0l0m0n said …

Anonymous,

There is’nt any need to stockpile your useless or lame rants here.
Discussing regarding your lousy Poseidon, Invisible Pink Unicorn, Eternal Infinity, Odin’s nor Harry Potter’s powers are a waste of time and of no value.

on 22 Sep 2012 at 7:49 pm 263.Severin said …

258 Solomon
“What about the ((((TRUE))))religion??”

Which religion did you have in mind?
(((Orthodox Christianity)))
(((Odin-ism?)))
(((Believing in Quetzalcoatl?)))
(((Hinduism?)))

If those religions are not (((TRUE))), tell us (((WHY)))!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (((IDIOT!)))

If your words were as “precious” as blah, blah, blah, maybe we would try to communicate with you.

Your words are: shit, shit, shit.
In my native language we say for someone who is babbling like you: he shits like a pigeon, meaning: when a cow shits, you have fertilizer for your fields, and from pigeons you have only pollution.

Other gods including the christian god is all based on idolization, i.e an object in front of their eyes but not to this one true god almighty. He’s different from the others. He can’t be idolized.

Regarding the identity of the true god …lets KIV it first. It’l be much more interesting…
Whaaaa….ka…ka….ka……..

on 23 Sep 2012 at 10:13 am 267.alex said …

plz don’t debate the toddler.

on 25 Sep 2012 at 12:46 am 268.s0l0m0n said …

((((HELLO))))…..((((HELLO))))

Where is everybody?

I guess I have silenced the atheists.

on 25 Sep 2012 at 2:28 am 269.s0l0m0n said …

Atheists possess knowledge of a much lower form.

on 07 Oct 2012 at 10:41 am 270.Thaddeus Aster said …

ill start out by saying im fine with atheism and i certainly have a respect for them and their beliefs as our Father dictates(some of you are being very nasty Christians; shame on you!) but ill say from being an atheist as a young adult, most atheist just seem angry about things that happened to them and they just seem to become a zealot in their own right. i was the same way until i i realized that IT IS POSSIBLE TO BE BLINDED BY LOGIC!! (its called over analyzing lol) if you don’t WANT to believe then why does any of this matter to you all? what’s the point of this site and of this post?? why even give him(God) the glory of this discussion if it is really so ludicrous to you? it cant be to humor christians as this forum seems to be used to UPHOLD the atheist beliefs? i am in no way trying to insult you all’s intellect (as atheist in general can be VERY ACCOMPLISHED intellectuals) im just saying when i don’t believe in something, i forget about it. i become apathetic or lethargic to it! i dont need to ask for proof of somethings nonexistence because i already know it doesn’t exist…but alas, man was meant to believe in more than just themselves; if need proof look into yourself and think logically ” how can i be angry with something that is nothing? why do i need proof of something that i am so sure doesn’t exist??” as for my fellow christians SPEAK FOR YOURSELF AND NNOT FOR GOD; YOU ARE HORRIBLE AT IT AND IT ONLY SERVE TO DEMEAN OUR FAITH! If someone asks for proof dont be an idiot and try to spout hate,fir, and brimstones at them. the proof (as in science) has just not come yet. it is really that simple….

on 07 Oct 2012 at 11:53 am 271.s0l0m0n said …

Thaddeus Aster,

Let’s forget about science for a while…
Let’s just use mere reasoning.
Do you admit that there’s a star hidden some where in the universe?
Then how can you account for there’s no God?
Does that shows that your logic are the logic of ((((FOOLS))))

on 07 Oct 2012 at 12:44 pm 272.alex said …

“if you don’t WANT to believe then why does any of this matter to you all? what’s the point of this site and of this post??”

are you a fucking idiot? read the damn blog, you moron. assholes are running pay for pray sites and you’re ok with that, fuckhead? you think the money could be better used for medical research? i bet you don’t go to a doctor, you fucken hypocrite.

“SPEAK FOR YOURSELF AND NNOT FOR GOD; YOU ARE HORRIBLE AT IT AND IT ONLY SERVE TO DEMEAN OUR FAITH!”

then, who the fuck are you? you have the final say on what xtians are supposed to represent? your fellow morons have testified many times that their god has spoken to them, so do you doubt it?

on 07 Oct 2012 at 4:20 pm 273.DPK said …

Thaddeus… thanks for the honest, thoughtful posts. Not all atheists are angry… many are somewhat short tempered here, but a quick read through the intellectually dishonest and devious posts of some of the theists here may help to explain why that is. Like loosing your patience with a dog that won’t stop barking. It’s not something to be proud of, but it happens.
You admit that there is no evidence for believing in whatever god you have “decided” to believe in. Thank you for the honesty. I honestly don’t know how you do that. I can’t just decide to believe in a god for which there is no evidence than I can “decide” to believe in elves. Perhaps we are just wired differently. If you do believe in a creator god, than you must accept that that is the way he created me. Why would he make it so easy for you to believe, and impossible for me? A rhetorical question for you perhaps, but maybe one worth pondering.
Anyway, to give a rational response to your question… “why do we care?” If faith and religion was a private matter, between you and which ever god of the moment you claim is real, it wouldn’t. If christians did as the bible says and went into a closet to pray in solitude, no one would care. It would be your business, just as it should be your business what you do in the privacy of your bedroom and who you do it with.
But seriously? You know that’s not the case. Accepting ignorance in the name of tolerance has what has got us to the point of murderous riots over stupid, no-budget internet movies or cartoons, people flying airplanes into buildings, bombing abortion clinics, fighting to teach religious nonsense in science classes, women in a good part of the world being denied the right to an education, being forced to cover their faces in public and walk 3 steps behind a man. And yes, planes being flown into buildings and people, even children, being burned alive for being “witches” or “demonically possessed.”
If you don’t think that accepting ignorance and superstition in the name of tolerance has a negative impact on humanity… I’d suggest perhaps a refresher course in world history.
“why even give him(God) the glory of this discussion if it is really so ludicrous to you?”
That’s like saying why teach people that dysentery results from infections caused by contaminated water or poor hygiene instead of a punishment from god for sin? Because it’s true. Truth matters. That’s why.
I can’t believe in a world ready to ignite into war over religious differences you would even ask such a silly question. Because people act and behave in crazy manners when they believe crazy things… that’s why.

on 07 Oct 2012 at 5:01 pm 274.The messenger said …

273.DPK great happyness and peace comes from Christian faith and I hope that you make the choice of deciding to become a Christian.’

on 07 Oct 2012 at 5:19 pm 275.Severin said …

210 T.A.
“… im just saying when i don’t believe in something, i forget about it.“

It would be easy to pay no attention and to forget about „it“, if „it“ left us alone and had no influence to our lives.
Unlike atheists, who barely have a few incoherent, unprofitable organizations, a few sites on Internet, and have no power and no money for propaganda, our lives are deeply influenced by powerful religious organizations who are aggressively trying to influence our lives and lives of our children.
Big and shiny churches with big bells, from which 1000 decibels ringing attacks our ears, big mosques with still bigger minarets, with 1000 decibels ranting, pomp, door to door propaganda, magazines, thousands of sites on Internet, expensive propaganda on TV, foundations, kindergartens, universities, … a FLOOD of propaganda over propaganda, over propaganda.

Atheists have nothing, and do not need anything like that. We do not go door to door to tell people what to believe. We don’t have big shiny churches with bells, and we don’t need them. We rarely visit theist sites to tell people they are not right (I never do that). We do not pay expensive propaganda on TV.
Most of us even do not „teach“ their theist friends how to raise their children. I personally have a lot of good friends who are religious, and although I think they teach their children wrong, I NEVER influence their private lives by telling them what would I do if I was in their shoes.

We tolerate churches as the part of tradition. We absolutely tolerate religious freedom; I do not give a shit for what you believe, or anyone else does, as far as you don’t try to impose your opinion to me, and THAT is exactly what ALL churches and ALL theists do, all the time.
WHY?

We do NOT like anyone teaching our children that women are „lower beings“ who must be obedient to their husbands.
WE do not like aggressive waving the Bible under our noses at each and every step, the Bible that glorifies slavery, orders stoning of non-virgin brides, with god ordering massacres for whole cities and states because they began to worship some other god (“rip pregnant women open”).
We think that it is traumatic to our children to teach them how „nice“ from a god was to order a father to kill his own son to prove to god how much he loves him.
We see nothing wrong in consent sex, regardless the marital status of partners.
We see nothing catastrophic in abortions, if there is no other way to solve a problem.
We don’t see anything wrong in using protection during sex.
We see nothing wrong in homosexuality.

…

AND we do NOT like anyone to very aggressively force their opposite opinions to us and our children!

What is the purpose of your patronizing us?
What is your goal?
WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM ATHEISTS?

I don’t tell you what to think, what to do or what to believe, so WHY, the hell are you SO enormously upset by our simple disbelieving in gods, which we NEVER push through anyone’s throat, as theists push their bullshits to ours?

on 07 Oct 2012 at 5:41 pm 276.Thaddeus Aster said …

dpk
Finally someone willing to make some cordial sense in here. first of I LOVE your question ” If you do believe in a creator god, than you must accept that that is the way he created me. Why would he make it so easy for you to believe, and impossible for me? A rhetorical question for you perhaps, but maybe one worth pondering.” this is extremely poignant to me and it will certainly be something that i will meditate on personally! and i can certainly agree that some christians could DEFINATLY use some conservation and class; but i’m afraid your argument becomes a bit of a 2 way street as even the truth has to become relative to a person at some point…for instance, as a christian i may think YOU are the ignorant one (which i do NOT) but to me that will by my truth about you whether you like it or not; right or wrong it becomes my truth. this is what i think our ilk’s (humans in general) problem: this ignorance incarnate if you will… i’ll say religion is DEFINATLY a reason for war and injustice, it always has been, but i am afraid that the real culprit is ignorance itself! lets face it ;look at a world without religion don’t you think that there would still be war? slavery? hell i’m sure there would still be the damn witch burnings! and thats because there will always be someone ignorant in power that can use some sort of argument to justify indifference and hatred . that is a construct of man perhaps to their very nature now if your question is why would a God allow that kind of thing to exist i can only offer my thesis: why bother and fix a problem that is obviously solving itself. it is not a christian’s belief that this world be spared and i’m afraid that not matter how you slice it we as people; as men are destroying itself. And if you need proof of that maybe you could benefit from a history lesson as well. :)

on 07 Oct 2012 at 5:54 pm 277.Thaddeus Aster said …

Severin
i’m afraid that you seem much more upset than i am as i have not said a single derogatory thing about atheist…i’m afraid that you merely reinforce the negative stereotype albeit with much passion and fervor Bravo! i was merely looking to understand my fellow human being AS WELL AS being understood. also i spoke on both false atheist and false christians so i’m not sure what YOU are upset about…i fear that your attitude (like most of your argument) just comes off as whining and i’m sure you can understand if i no longer respond to your post as i am not here to represent the entirety of me beliefs but my self and you are just the opposite.

on 07 Oct 2012 at 6:12 pm 278.DPK said …

Point taken. Ridding the world of religion would not make it a perfect place, but I do think it would make it better.

“Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.”- Steven Weinberg

Because, along with the removal of belief in what I consider fairy tales (and “truth” is not completely relative as you imply…”truth is what exists whether you believe in it or not”), would come the realization that there is no magical “2nd life” awaiting us and that this is all we get, So, it is up to us to make the best and treat others the way we want to be treated. Because it’s right, not because some invisible god will punish you if you don’t. That is primitive thinking for primitive people, and it is time mankind move past that into the age of reason.

I don’t question “why would god allow certain things to exist” except in the context of pointing out the contradictions in his claimed nature vs reality to someone who claims to believe. That would be silly, because I don’t believe there IS a god calling the shots. But if I did, I would have a very, very hard time explaining his behavior… as you do now. Making “excuses” for a god (“why bother and fix a problem that is obviously solving itself”) who’s behavior is often contradictory to his nature (benevolent, omniscient, and omnipotent… leaving aside the fact that these very properties are mutually exclusive).

But let’s pose the bigger question. You have admitted there is no “proof” for the existence of your god. Others here have told us one needs to have “blind faith” for god to reveal himself to you. Others have told us conflicting things about the reality and nature of the various competing gods, or versions of god that they are promoting at the moment. Why do you choose to believe something so ridiculous with no evidence to do so? Obviously because you want to. You have some “need”. But how is that any different from any other addictive disorder? You want us to accept and tolerate your belief in a supernatural being, and a set of rules this being supposedly commands us to obey under penalty of eternal torment.
Why should we buy what you’re selling?

on 07 Oct 2012 at 6:17 pm 279.alex said …

“…i’m sure you can understand if i no longer respond to your post”

you think it’s a privilege when you respond with your bullshit?

“i’m sure there would still be the damn witch burnings!”

go to a black panther meeting and say “if it wasn’t the kkk, you black folk will still be lynched”.

“…a world without religion don’t you think that there would still be war? slavery?”

again, unfounded bullshit conjecture. you can’t justify war, slavery, and witch burnings by saying it would still be there.

what the fuck is a false atheist? is it your fake church leaders, preaching the bullshit and molesting kids, etc?

you write with your pseudo conciliatory bullshit, but at the end, your nonsense just comes out.

on 07 Oct 2012 at 7:06 pm 280.The messenger said …

280.alex stop with the cussing.

on 07 Oct 2012 at 7:14 pm 281.Severin said …

276 T.A.

How typical! How many times deja vu!
When theists have no answers, or feel that their answers could lead them to a trap, they just go to personal level proclaiming someone too “upset” or too “passionate” for their sensitive stomachs.

We saw it many times before!

Difference between you and other, more “crude” theists posting on this blog, is only in your ostensible “smoothness”.

I’ll be happy with your non-responding. There was nothing more I expected from you.

on 07 Oct 2012 at 9:32 pm 282.Severin said …

T.A,

I am glad you got what you deserved from kind, polite and calm DPK, in a non-passionate way (congratulations DPK!).

Now I predict:
a) you will attack DPK on personal level (as you did to me)
or
b) You will disappear from here
or
c) you will keep your quasy-politeness for some time, then you will do a) or b), or first a), then b).

As you don’t look such an idiot like Horatio, Ben, Xenon, Lou, … too keep making yourself a fool for 2 – 3 years, I bet on b).

Didn’t you suggest us to “forget about it”?

on 08 Oct 2012 at 12:36 am 283.alex said …

“alex stop with the cussing.”

ooops, sorry. forgot, cursing is only for jesus, mark 12:14

on 08 Oct 2012 at 2:08 am 284.Anonymous said …

T.A.
im not sure how you have com off as impolite in any of your posts. i read and reread them over and over again and im jus not getting what you said that pissed so many people off as you seem far more civil than most of the theists that ive seen. it looks like you are just curious about our belief system. im always willing to help someone who is looking to be educated personally so maybe read through these http://www.booktalk.org/atheism-books.html first and mzaybe it will give you a bit more insight.

p.s. i see exactly what you are saying about sensitive whiners; dont think that all atheists are as dumb as the ones in this post.

on 08 Oct 2012 at 2:18 am 285.Thaddeus Aster said …

A
lol thank you! im not very sure how i could have been more polite maybe some of my ideas are to extreme for both christians and atheist alike ; (after all im trying to focus on a way to get along lol) but it just seem like all that is here is they type of angry bitter people that i talked about so there is no real point in me going back and forth with people who have so much more time to devote to the internet than i do (now THAT’S a “personal attack”) but i have atheist friends in real life that are no where near as under enlightened as the confused and angry people here. good luck to all of you and i hope that one day your lives improve enough to be able to stand a simple conversation without acting like over bearing christians. :D best wishes!

on 08 Oct 2012 at 3:06 am 286.DPK said …

Well I tried to engage you in honest and civil discussion, but it seems you are actually only interested in validation, or to play the persecution card.
Seems Severin was correct… If you don’t find someone to either pat you on the back and tell you what a kind and gracious Christian you are, you will disappear.
Oh well.

on 08 Oct 2012 at 6:55 am 287.Thaddeus Aster said …

oh not you dpk i love you! much respect to you!!

on 08 Oct 2012 at 7:03 am 288.Thaddeus Aster said …

but the truth is truth and there is no need to try and hammer out a bridge with people that are so nasty. no the way i do things ; sorry :( plus of course im going to disappear from here im a christian and this a place for atheists and obviously im not going to get any real answers from this crowd. twist it however you need to but if you go and reread my post you will see that i came with a proverbial olive branch. best wishes!

on 08 Oct 2012 at 7:16 am 289.Severin said …

Anonymous/T.A.

Ha, ha, ha, which “anonymous” are you?
T.A. himself (style, no capital letters), or his alter ego?

It was obviously your intention to call me as many names as you could find: upset, whiner, impolite, pissed off, dumb, angry, bitter, …

No, A/TA, I am nothing from your list, I am a cheerful man (and I did NOT call you impolite, so you began to lie as all theists here, and much earlier than most of them).
My poor English might be a problem, but I also read and read and read my posts and found nothing impolite or offensive there.

Your problem is that you don’t know what to say.

Oh well. Deja vu.

on 08 Oct 2012 at 7:39 am 290.Severin said …

T.A.

I REALLY expected more from you, even if you did not debate with me directly, but with someone else, as with DPK.
I said to myself: finally a polite and reasonable theist here!

Now “nasty” and “crowd”!?

We helped you to show yourself, your real face, and now YOU are whining!
You are really a miserable individual.

on 08 Oct 2012 at 7:51 am 291.Severin said …

Yes, and atheists have no “belief system”.

They DO NOT BELIEVE.
There is no “system” in disbelieving, not that I know.

on 08 Oct 2012 at 12:48 pm 292.Lou(DFW) said …

286.DPK said …

“Well I tried to engage you in honest and civil discussion, but it seems you are actually only interested in validation, or to play the persecution card.”

DPK, you know as well as I do that people like Thaddeus Aster are disingenuous and intellectually, if not absolutely, dishonest. When they can’t defend their delusion they simply shut-up and leave or lie about and insult those who don’t share their delusion.

“288.Thaddeus Aster said …

“…this a place for atheists and obviously im not going to get any real answers from this crowd. twist it however you need to…”

on 08 Oct 2012 at 12:49 pm 293.Lou(DFW) said …

290.Severin said …

“T.A.
I REALLY expected more from you…”

Come on, not really, did you?

on 08 Oct 2012 at 3:01 pm 294.DPK said …

287.Thaddeus Aster said …

oh not you dpk i love you! much respect to you!!

I’m not looking for your respect or your love. I’m looking for answers.
I asked you point blank to make your case for why any of us should buy what you’re selling. Your response to to be offended and run away. That doesn’t say much for the strength of your position.
Not surprised really. We’ve seen it 100 times.
I have a friend who is a Baptist minister. We no longer discuss issue relative to my atheism. He has already admitted to me that he has no answers to my questions about the validity of his “faith”. He believes because he wants to. It makes him feel good to believe when he dies he will get to see his loved ones again, and live in a paradise with no sadness forever and ever. It’s very much like being on drugs. Deep inside you know the euphoria isn’t real, and it’s all bullshit… but you take them anyway.
T.A. makes a point of trying to be the peacemaker and find some middle ground. But, the reality is, there is no middle ground. When it comes to the idea of the existence of supernatural gods, one of us is right and one of us is wrong. The truth is not relative for each person. Gods exist, or they don’t. Now, given the fact that there is no good evidence to support the idea that they do, in fact exist, and given the fact that all the thousands and thousands of gods that people have claimed to exist throughout history have all been completely imaginary, I’d say it’s a safe bet to assume the current crop of gods are also imaginary.
T.A, was given the opportunity to show us, dispassionately, that we are wrong. Instead, he decided to take his toys and go home, because we aren’t “playing nice” by actually challenging his claims.

on 08 Oct 2012 at 3:33 pm 295.Lou(DFW) said …

294.DPK said …

“I have a friend who is a Baptist minister. We no longer discuss issue relative to my atheism. He has already admitted to me that he has no answers to my questions about the validity of his “faith”. He believes because he wants to.”

Wow! You found an apparently honest xtian!

on 08 Oct 2012 at 3:59 pm 296.DPK said …

Actually, there are a lot of honest christians. They just don’t come on atheist websites and try to convince people they are going to hell for blasphmy.
It’s the anthropic principal at work. Christians here are, by and large, assholes because only the asshole christians come here to try and “save” us heathens.

on 12 Oct 2012 at 8:56 pm 297.The messenger said …

Go is real and he answers all prayers. He will not all ways give you the answer you expected. If you pray for something, God may give you something you need more.

on 14 Oct 2012 at 10:09 pm 298.The messenger said …

294.DPK heaven is nothing like drugs. Drugs where off and they cause you medical problems. Heaven is The capital of Gods kingdom, I have seen it my self and It is more beautiful than anything on Earth.

on 15 Oct 2012 at 8:49 pm 299.The messenger said …

on 12 Oct 2012 at 8:56 pm 297.The messenger said …
Go is real and he answers all prayers. He will not all ways give you the answer you expected. If you pray for something, God may give you something you need more.

on 02 Feb 2013 at 5:18 am 300.Xtian said …

As for as I can figure this. Is that God is eternal, and so we start with a being that needs no cause. In fact, it would be nonsense who ask, who caused the uncaused. It is only created things or beings that need a creator. So the xtian God is uncaused, as we understand God to be. As for not healing amputees, I have the understanding that God is Sovereign and that He owes no man anything. He has mercy on whom He has mercy. He also has no mercy, on whom he chooses not to have mercy. Man thinks that if there is a God, this God would have to treat everyone fairly. Where does the athiest get this? Certainlly not from the bible. The bible shows a God who is very “unfair” and a God who definitely “offends” our senses of “fair”. I think that the God of the bible is not to be misconstrued as someone who runs around pleasing everyone. He does not do that in the bible. Jesus passed by plenty of sick, dying, and I am sure crippled in His life time and never stopped to help everyone. I believe we now have a better, more honest understanding of the God of the bible, without all the fluff. He does not heal amputee’s and the sad part is….they don’t deserve it. Man deserves Hell, man deserves wrath….what makes man think that He deserves good things from God? It is mans arrogance about Himself that demands God behave in a manner that is pleasing or it is man that pleases himself to dismiss God, because God is a badass who is not a tyrant, but certainly one who cannot be contained, made to sit, rub his belly and pat his head. God doesn’t heal amputees obviously because He does not want to. This offends me a bit…but what does God ow them? Is He in debt to them? I think not. I am certainly not here to argue. I am trying to explain God as I understand Him “Truthfully”, in both the bible and in this life.

on 03 Feb 2013 at 3:03 am 301.s0l0m0n said …

Xtian,

What you say is true. But the only thing that I pity the christians is that they pray to the wrong God & they will be condemned to hell by doing so.

on 23 Jul 2013 at 11:18 am 302.me said …

Hello questioneers. If you would stop attacking the God above and start giving to the poor maybe your focus would be totally on helping those in need. You sit here and blog about what they don’t have but still you have cars a house money cor beer cigs etc. Give a darn about that! In the bible it saids to help those in need. God hasn’t allow it. You did. I did. The resources are right there in all faces. The government spent thousands on military. The government is not taking corn to make fuel. Food! Put the resources where it belongs. To the poor. God said; love your neighboras yourself . God did not allow it. We did! Wake up

on 23 Jul 2013 at 12:38 pm 303.me said …

When you go to spend your dollar bill on beer, sex, cigs, house, car, FOOD etc. Look at that dollar (in God we trust). Trust God that when you give that dollar to the poor starving people; it got to them. Have you thought that God gave to you that dollar to spend on someone else’s needs instead of your wants? Look around what you have. Are you shelfish that you can’t help God show merciful towards others. Instead of trying to question God maybe you need to question yourself. How many times have you seen homeless people and passed them by. How many people have you encounter that needed to get something off a shelf or getting across a street. You passed them by. Dont get caught pointing the finger at God when you can point it at yourself. We are all starving the starved. Can you find it in your heart to start finding that tenth of your money to give to God’s house to go to the starved. God loves everyone. God loves the whole world! Sorry to say-He loves you too. Belie er or not. For everything that happens in this ulgy world, God has a plan.

on 23 Jul 2013 at 12:53 pm 304.Angus and Alexis said …

“(in God we trust)”

Im from australia, your argument is invalid.

“Have you thought that God gave to you that dollar to spend on someone else’s needs instead of your wants?”

No, i thought i got that dollar (we use coins) because i deserved it, got rewarded by a human, and can spend it on whatever i please.

“Instead of trying to question God maybe you need to question yourself.”

I have Alexis for that (although, tulpae are rare).

“Can you find it in your heart to start finding that tenth of your money to give to God’s house to go to the starved.”

No.

“God loves everyone.”

Excluding gays, atheists, other religions and satan.

“God loves the whole world!”

I see pollution, warfare, crime, diseases and more. God must be sick to let earth stay like this with his omnipotence.

“For everything that happens in this ulgy world, God has a plan.”

Like starving children, cancer, disease? What a sick bastard, where are my pitchforks and torches, i need to make a mob.

on 23 Jul 2013 at 2:06 pm 305.the messenger said …

304.Angus and Alexis, yes, that includes gay people and non believers.

GOD allows bad things to happen in our lives so that we will learn to overcome them.

If GOD did not love us he would not teach us to avoid evil.

on 23 Jul 2013 at 2:09 pm 306.the messenger said …

304.Angus and Alexis, if GOD hated us he would not let us into heaven.

But he does let us into heaven, therefore he does love us.

Eventually all evil will be destroyed, but we must face it and learn to overcome it before he will destroy it.

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