ukcanuck wrote:oh and as far as the players are concerned, I don't believe they care much, but they have demonstrated on several occasions that they definitely care more than the owners. (give or take an aquaman or two anyway)

What a bizarre argument to try to make.. I can't imagine how convoluted it would get trying to objectively look at everything either party does and attempt to categorize it as caring or not, self-interested or not, etc etc etc.

So does Terry Pegula (who is sinking tens of millions into a franchise that won't earn it back) count as someone who "cares"? Does Shane Doan (who gave a discount to a team tied to the area where he has personally put down roots)? Do the Senators who went without paycheques while the team was bankrupt and if so is it the franchise or the city that they "care" about? Does a player showing up at Canuck Place prove that they "care" or is it just that they are attending compulsory events put on by their employer (in which case this proves that it's ownership that "cares" rather than the players)?

ukcanuck wrote:oh and as far as the players are concerned, I don't believe they care much, but they have demonstrated on several occasions that they definitely care more than the owners. (give or take an aquaman or two anyway)

What a bizarre argument to try to make.. I can't imagine how convoluted it would get trying to objectively look at everything either party does and attempt to categorize it as caring or not, self-interested or not, etc etc etc.

So does Terry Pegula (who is sinking tens of millions into a franchise that won't earn it back) count as someone who "cares"? Does Shane Doan (who gave a discount to a team tied to the area where he has personally put down roots)? Do the Senators who went without paycheques while the team was bankrupt and if so is it the franchise or the city that they "care" about? Does a player showing up at Canuck Place prove that they "care" or is it just that they are attending compulsory events put on by their employer (in which case this proves that it's ownership that "cares" rather than the players)?

I suppose its a subjective argument which makes it difficult or almost impossible to prove conclusively, but I don't hunt and don't have much of an opinion to be subjective or objective about on that other lockout supported thread
However, I'd like to see how anyone could subjectively or objectively argue that the average hockey player raised in the average small town being supported and cheered by the local community could be less caring about the average fan than a silver spoon raised, disconnected from the common man, private school school going, let em eat cake rich guy.
overly stereotypical I assume would be the argument, sure there are exceptions, one could list assholes on both sides all day but I'm comfortable with the stereotype.

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donlever wrote:The NHL can bring Kate Upton to my front doorstep and have her carress my nut sack and I'm still out.

Of the closet.

..made me lol, but nonsensical regardless as I did not say I would not accept the caress, just that it would do no good in terms of the leagues desires.

I was thinking based on money invested and attitude towards the NHL, you'd get Kate and I'd get Roseanne Barr... then my mind wandered from the dent on the stoop of my front door and the vice like grip the caress would need to be to keep from screaming into the night.
all things considered I'd rather have the bear than the Barr...

They give 3 proposals all based around the "unlinked" system they proposed in their first offer. They know full well that the owners will never give up linkage so the reality is that they are not prepared to negotiate any type of give backs from the previous cba.

Right now it is virtually a given that a significant portion of the season will be missed.