KimNorth:That is true, it is that every single time and I mean every time hot wings see's me on here he zero's in on me with whites this whites that and right away he called me racist so I just assumed race "whites" must have been mentioned. so your right I'm wrong race was not said.

reads like you're a racist and also have no personal responsibility...

dsmith42:Droog8912: factoryconnection:There's a very strong correlation with the rise and fall of violent crime on a time-delayed basis with the introduction and later banning of lead in gasoline in societies worldwide. Lead exposure in children damages development of the pre-frontal cortex, which is important for making rational decisions in emotional situations. For those with the right brain chemistry, that damage basically turns off their "morality" switch and leads to ape-sh*t crazy behavior in adolescence and young adulthood.

This match-up has been studied among countries that had different times for introduction and removal of leaded gas from society, and it has a very strong correlation.

Interesting theory. Do you happen to know the name of the study?

Mother Jones article going into more detail about the data

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2013/01/lead-crime-link-gasol in e

Study from 2000 cited in article (pdf file) showing 90% correlation for 23 year lag in lead exposure in the USA

Don't worry I'm sure they'll start charging other prisoners for their stay soon. It's all part of the plan to reintroduce debtors prisons and imprison a majority of the country.

Most of the people I talk to irl suuport both charging prisoners for their stay AND forcing them to work for pennies. Of course the stay would become longer if you couldn't pay. You know, to work it off.

Shortsighted idiots don't realize half of them are one layoff away from joining these folks.

Bumblefark:dsmith42:Study from 2000 cited in article (pdf file) showing 90% correlation for 23 year lag in lead exposure in the USAhttp://www.ricknevin.com/uploads/Nevin_2000_Env_Res_Author_Manuscrip t. pdf2007 study by same author looking at whole worldhttp://pic.plover.com/Nevin/Nevin2007.pdf

Eh...might be a reason those studies aren't published in a criminology journal.

Thanks to dsmith42 for the researcher's name; I subsequently found additional research posted in the NBER digest, which can hardly be claimed is not a respected, scholarly organization: http://www.nber.org/digest/may08/w13097.html

Droog8912:Bumblefark: dsmith42:Study from 2000 cited in article (pdf file) showing 90% correlation for 23 year lag in lead exposure in the USAhttp://www.ricknevin.com/uploads/Nevin_2000_Env_Res_Author_Manuscrip t. pdf2007 study by same author looking at whole worldhttp://pic.plover.com/Nevin/Nevin2007.pdf

Eh...might be a reason those studies aren't published in a criminology journal.

Thanks to dsmith42 for the researcher's name; I subsequently found additional research posted in the NBER digest, which can hardly be claimed is not a respected, scholarly organization: http://www.nber.org/digest/may08/w13097.html

Pretty sure I didn't say the publications weren't "scholarly." I suggested there might be a red flag when a researcher is publishing his work in academic titles that have no particular expertise in his subject matter. It sort of undermines the peer-review process, since the people who would be looking at his work really aren't in a position to determine the validity of the claims. (Especially when the author appears to studiously avoid referencing works from the subject-relevant academic field in their literature review.)

/and, skimming through the work, yeah: I'm guessing any criminology/social problems title would have bounced the manuscript, or at the very least required a complete overhaul of the writeup.

California LOVES a farking revenue stream. Got a DUI a dozen years ago- they were happy to offer me the option of cleaning up trash all day- for $100 a day fee! I told them to go to hell. It's OK to have inmates pick up garbage (gets you outside, away from the monotony of jail, etc), but I'll be damned if I'm gonna PAY the state $100 a day for the "privilege" to clean up everybody's goddamn trash-

Bung_Howdy:California LOVES a farking revenue stream. Got a DUI a dozen years ago- they were happy to offer me the option of cleaning up trash all day- for $100 a day fee! I told them to go to hell. It's OK to have inmates pick up garbage (gets you outside, away from the monotony of jail, etc), but I'll be damned if I'm gonna PAY the state $100 a day for the "privilege" to clean up everybody's goddamn trash-

/old, bitter

Can you blame them? The fricking voters won't let them generate revenue any normal way, so they have to resort to things like this.

/i've had to go to the court building three times in order to get a fix-it ticket cleared. I'm not any more enamored with this state than you are, but I try to see root causes to things.

HotWingConspiracy:KimNorth: Sin_City_Superhero: KimNorth: making everything about race, whites have their own jails...waaaaa I'm a victim. that shiat gets old.

Nobody said "whites" except you. Everybody else in here is talking about "RICH PEOPLE". Not "white people". Race wasn't mentioned until you brought it up. I didn't think you were racist. I do now.

That is true, it is that every single time and I mean every time hot wings see's me on here he zero's in on me with whites this whites that and right away he called me racist so I just assumed race "whites" must have been mentioned. so your right I'm wrong race was not said.

I'm all for locking up violent offenders who are a danger to society. However, I do not like the idea of the prisoners having to fork over $$ to pay for the privilege of being locked up. IMO, this is like paying a court fee to be found not-guilty for a B.S. ticket. I realize the analogy is not quite on the same level, but it the best I could come up with at this moment.If society wants these laws and prisons, let society pay for them through taxes.

factoryconnection:Peki: You can make the same correlation with legalized abortion. Surprise! When there are fewer poor people, crime tends to go down.

It does for the US, but the abortion thing doesn't play out the same way in other countries, but all countries have had and then banned leaded gas and the correlation holds true.

I don't think any other country had legalized abortion to the extent the US had. In most other countries where it's legal, I think it's restricted to health of the mother and rape/incest. Feel free to prove me wrong.