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Monday, February 18, 2013

Here is my philosophy on racial slurs or homophobic slurs or any kind of slur. If the word comes out of your mouth in the heat of the moment, that means it is not the first time you have used that word, and probably use it frequently. Yesterday, Alec Baldwin was confronted by a female reporter from The NY Post and asked about a lawsuit involving Hilaria Thomas. Seems like a fair question. Instead, Alec grabbed the arm (photographed above) of the woman and said he wanted to choke her to death. The photographer who covered the incident is African-American. Alec then called the photographer a coon and crackhead. The reporter got the audio and turned it into police. Alec also called the police and said the reporter was harassing him. Sounds like Alec might have committed a hate crime. Racist taunts and threats to kill. If he was some average guy and said it, you don't think the police would investigate it as a hate crime?

That's not the photographer. He's the one taking the picture. Alec Baldwin validates Kim Basinger's extreme measures everyday, doesn't he? What happened to this guy to make him such a raging ball of hate? How long before wife number two goes running with the kid?

I wish he and Charlie Sheen and the rest of the jerkoffs would stop being famous. What an asshole. And I agree with Enty's logic - if that's the first thing that pops into your head and out of your mouth, it's 99.9% certain you're a bigot.

I just remembered, isn't one of his brothers in an interracial marriage? I think it's Steven. Here I thought my ex's brothers were putzes.

He must be on the 4th tier of the gold digger's menu. You KNOW he's got a pre-nup, you've GOT to have sex with him and he's proven he will continue to make your life hell for the next 18 years, at least.

At least when Kim married him he was still handsome and you had a sense it was passion overtaking good judgement. I bet he makes this chick aware of her gold diggers obligations constantly.

I agree wholeheartedly with the racist slur heat of the moment argument, but I have to agree with the guys on South Park that as ugly as the word "faggot" is, and though having grown up using the word (like many in my generation), "fag" doesn't really mean what it used to anymore.

At least for me, it doesn't conjure up images of gay men in my mind.

However, I'm not gay and haven't experienced any prejudice for my sexual orientation, so who am I to argue for the word's usage?

Yes, Alec Baldwin is a jerk. He may even be a racist. Do bear in mind, however, that this story comes from the New York Post, a conservative Rupert Murdoch mouthpiece that used to ridicule Baldwin as a "former movie star" on account of his liberal views as much as his hotheaded personality. The Post has had a grudge against Baldwin for many years.

Let's see if he gets the hate that Mel has received. To me Alex is worse than Mel because when Mel said it he was under the influence of substance and Alex was not. Mel made one racial slur towards Blacks whereas Alex went on a tantrum about Blacks, sober.

My mom fell.in lust w Prick Baldwin when he did some movie (I forget the name) around 1995. The movie title was similar to Misery or something like thst. Anyway, the second I saw him I thought, major d'bag. I couldnt understand what Mom liked about him so I asked her. She said he had pretty eyes. I thought, yeah, so did Ted Bundy. Theres a lot more than looks to any man. Just goes to show how shallow some women such as my mother can be. I am not at all surprised by anything he does any more, except that he hasnt went OJ on anyone--yet.

I think thats why 30Rock never got good ratings. They kept whining at all the award shows about no one watching them--boo hooo, dont put an asshat in your cast! I never watched it either--becuase of him--and I am so glad that show is out of production. WKRP or Newsradio, it aint.

He felt justified in putting his hands on this woman, threatening to choke her & then calling her photog a "coon" and "crackhead"?

This entitled scumbag is out of control. I don't care if the mag she works for has it in for him. It don't justify his feeling comfortable enough to pull this isht. Thank goodness the guy kept his wits and has photos and audio. I hope the police actually do something. The photog should have the paper play the audio for the public.

@EvilKumquat, yes, you're right, you have no right to weigh in on the use of the word fag or faggot. If those slurs are used by straight people, no matter how it is intended to be taken, it is NOT 'cool', 'hip', or meaningless. Those words carry a history of hate, degradation and intention of making a segment of society feel 'less than'. Would you use the word nigger, and say the same thing that you typed above? I doubt it.

The problem with these words is it seems to be acceptable for homosexuals to use the word 'fag' or 'poof' or whatever else is degrading. It's okay for black people to use the N-Word. Either they're across-the-board offensive or they're not. It sends a pretty mixed message when we hear rappers use the n word or hear gay men call each other queer. Why is it okay for them? Hate words are hate words. And until the people being oppressed in these situations stop using these words, everyone else will keep doing it.

C'mon CDANers....If the NY post had audio of Alec Baldwin using a racial slur, don't you think the clip would be front and center on their POS website?? Its like another poster said, there's been bad blood between The Post and Baldwin for over a decade. He's definitely got anger issues and a big ego. But I call BS on this story and just about everything from Murdoch's ppl.

Some observations: (here's where you roll your eyes and say, 'there goes Frufra again, like she knows everything')

I love 30 Rock, and am sad to see it go, but I think maybe this terrible little incident speaks to the BI about the hit show where one lead actor (Fey) can't stand the other lead (Baldwin). Maybe?

I agree with ButterKwup - hate words are hate words. Period. Don't use words that you wouldn't want others to use, even if you feel like you are entitled to them, because you're a part of the group to which the word refers. I will NEVER hurl the word 'bitch' at someone, because as a woman, it's so distasteful to me. And as a person, I've heard it aimed at my mother by my holier-than-thou father my entire life. I personally think that the minority group making the claim that the slur is OK to use, because they're 'owning' it is a bunch of baloney. They're only buying into their own repression. Again, just my two cents.

Remember that sappy "All I Really Need to Know I Learned in Kindergarten" book? It's true. Use kind words. Treat others the way you'd like to be treated. So simple, even a five year old can do it :-).

He may be a comedy genius, but he doesn't write his lines, he only delivers them. I'm not at all surprised he's an asshole. I hope people finally distance themselves from him and stop giving him work. That' means YOU TINA FEY! Kill off his character on 30 Rock. That would be television GOLD.

@ S. joy- yes, when Ireland was 11. There was a leaked voicemail where he called her a thoughtless little pig for making him leave a message. Afterward, she put out a press release saying it was no big deal, but I think he probably made her do that.

Wow at the apologists. So what if some minorities choose to reclaim slurs. If you don't know what its like to have the slur said to you out of hate, bigotry, and racism/homophobia then you shouldn't be allowed to use the word! People kill me with "well if I can't use it they can't use it" mentality. After decades of being degraded now minorities can't even reclaim a word for their own community without other races/sexual orientations crying foul because they aren't supposed to say it.

It seems unlikely that gay people are using those words from an anti-gay point of view, and it seems highly unlikely that someone attacking gay people and calling them those names are doing so in an ironic and fun-loving fashion. Generally, straight people who call gay men "faggots" are not doing so because of their intense love and admiration for gay culture. I think that's a somewhat important distinction, no? I thought it was the hate that was the problem, not the word, and language situations in which people use racist or homophobic language to express hate are problematic because of the hate. I worry about straight white people who seem to not understand gay men or black people and use those evil gays' or blacks' language as a point of attack.

@ Agent and Amartel. I get you hate liberals. I acknowledged Baldwin's anger and ego shortcomings. But Baldwin being a jerk doesn't lend any credence to this bullshit. You obviously are trying to make me and the other doubters seem foolish. Cool. So please weigh in on why you believe a gossip site, The New York Post no less, would have audio of a B plus celeb spewing a litany of racist insults and wouldn't post the clip on their website? (crickets)

Douche behaviour with a capital D. BUT, I will say that Enty is wrong. I hate the c-word. I don't use it, and I literally cringe whenever any woman gets called that. But I have, in the heat of the moment, used it myself on rare occasion to refer to someone who is in fact being a complete see-you-next-Tuesday. So, yeah, stuff happens sometimes. Not excusing AB, just saying.

For those saying where's the audio, if you read the original reports, they state that there is audio of him saying he wants to choke the Reporter. It doesn't say they have audio of the racial slurs toward the Photographer.

Oh, and not for nothin', but 30 Rock was an AWESOME show and Alec Baldwin was awesome in it. But it's not about him, it's about Tina Fey. Not watching just because of him seems...shortsighted at the very least.

Why does it have to be one or the other? Rupert Murdoch is a dick, and Alec is an asshole, and that's all there is to it. (Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you, and just because they're out to get you doesn't mean you're not acting like an ass.) HE may think he's a liberal, but some of the rest of us would beg to differ; his overall political opinions may lean toward the liberal end of the spectrum, but as far as treating other people goes, well...I was always given to understand that was part of being a liberal, but he seems to have missed that memo somehow.

Also, I personally don't have a problem with certain language being OK in some groups but not in a general context; I've always been under the impression that you're allowed to make snarky comments or use less-than-PC language about your own in-group because it is your group--kind of like family members giving each other crap but then coming together against an outside threat. (Hence my family telling Irish/Scottish/Yankee jokes; ask my mom sometime to demonstrate how a Scotsman wipes his ass w/only one sheet of toilet paper...)

Alec Baldwin lost his charm for me years ago, when he started opening his mouth for anything other than speaking lines.

I don't think one can quantify one crime as being better or worse than another. Words *do* kill, sometimes many years down the road, by helping people kill themselves.

I wonder if Alec was the blind for the item about the racist father (who warned the child about bringing any black boyfriends home).

Yes, I think this is a hate crime. If the cops just keep letting incidents like this go, they will keep on going.

There's no South Park in my house. The racist content re First Nations isn't acceptable to me.

I don't like the f****t word, either. There are so many words that hurt, and I don't know why people keep using them. Is it really going to change their lives that much? Is it really such a sacrifice to quit using words that hurt? Some people act so put upon.

Mel Gibson's anti-Semitism is unfortunately, bred in the bone. Ultra-conservative catholic so-called intellectuals are stuck back in the ancient times when Jews and Christians really were enemies. It doesn't fit into 2013. They need to learn to get along in the real world in the present time. It's inexcusable to be carrying on these old grudges.

"I get you hate liberals"Sigh. No, I don't "hate liberals" and no, I'm not "trying to make [you] and the other doubters seem foolish." You're doing a fine job all on your own and you definitely don't need my help to look like paranoid, celebrity political hero-worshipping fools.

Are you sure he said he wanted to "choke her to death?" Some reports claim he said he wanted her to "Choke to death." Either way, it's a fucked up thing to say. Alec needs to learn just two words to say to reporters. "NO" and "COMMENT."

No racial slurs on the tape? Then it's a matter of who you want to believe, I guess. I had to believe he wouldn't deny it if there was proof, and I guess there isn't. Not that he didn't say it, but that there's not proof either way. He most definitely needs anger management courses.

New info on the audio tape of the confrontation between Baldwin and the Post photog. Sources tell us ... there is NO mention of a racial slur on the tape. And, we're told, the initial story -- that Baldwin allegedly said "I want to choke you to death" -- is incorrect. We're told in fact Baldwin said, "I want you to choke to death," which is exactly what Baldwin claimed he said.Alec Baldwin had a bizarre response when TMZ asked if he really did hurl a racial slur at a black photographer this weekend ... he smiled. Baldwin just arrived at his NYC apartment -- which has now become a base for news reporters and photographers looking for a comment from the actor after he allegedly called a black photog a "coon" and threatened a female reporter this weekend ... something his people strongly deny. Though Baldwin didn't say anything as he entered the building ... his reaction is definitely interesting.

I've been wanting to say something about a segment on Alec that I saw on Extra a day or two ago (Extra or ET). It was about the pregnancy of his wife. I was astounded at how rude Alec was to his wife. He refused to let her get a word in edgewise, and made it about himself, supposedly as in the service of being funny. But he made no attempt to even pretend to show deference to his wife. I even wondered if he was mad at her. The interviewer asked Hilaria how she was doing or how it felt to be pregnant, and Alec butted in and said that his breasts hurt, his back hurt, he couldn't get into his jeans. CDAN had a blind that was supposed to be about Alec thinking he had married a traditional, stay at home wife, and instead she wanted all the lime-light she could get. Maybe this was payback. But I still think a man should show some respect to a woman who is bearing his child.

@Justcurious- you should check out TMZ- the commenters there are openly racist! Everything you're looking for, without the trolling amongst people that are sick of your bullshit on a fucking gossip site.

I gather that Rupert Murdoch is not even a conservative himself. He just came to the conclusion that there was big money to be made feeding the paranoid delusions of conservatives (conservative media being an untapped market when Fox News went on the air). Nobody ever went broke selling lies to dimwits or playing up to their prejudices.

ethorne1:00 PM@Justcurious- you should check out TMZ- the commenters there are openly racist! Everything you're looking for, without the trolling amongst people that are sick of your bullshit on a fucking gossip site.

Openly racist? You mean like Alec? The only difference between the comments on TMZ and CDaN are the posters don't hide their racism..they take their hoods off sorta speak.You wanna see some racial comments ,check out the major city newspaper that's online in your area.Any story dealing with crime where the perp is Black or Latino..click the comment box...sent back and eat your popcorn.Good shit.

@mooshki lot of Aussie celebs are friends with Murdoch or his family. Nicole Kidman is bffs with his wife Wendy ("don't throw pies at my husband lest I kill you") and is often photographed with her and their kids. Russell Crowe is pals with the Murdoch sons.

This is disgusting but not even slightly surprising. I wish he WOULD be convicted of a hate crime because these racist/misogynistic/homophobic douchebags ever ever ever get their comeuppance and are constantly forgiven by a large segment of the public, who are probably just as filled with hate as any one of these awful celebs.

i don't believe he made racist comments. he s a hothead, but also a strong democrat. as he pointed out in a tweet, the last donation his foundation made was 50k to the arthur ashe foundation, in honor of the great black tennis player who died of aids.

@justcurious- No, you seem to be looking for racists. Instead of accusing everyone that has a negative comment about Chrissy Brown of being a racist, go somewhere that you can be justifiably be offended.

There's more to the story-the photog was a retired decorated narcotics cop w NYPD, and he said he was called many racial epithets, including coon, gangbanger, crackhead, crack dealer, and his mother was disparaged over and over. When he he showed his credentials to Baldwin, he called hum a liar. Add this to the fact that the female reporter recorded him. Oh, and Baldwin has also made many homophobic comments when pissed, also. This has nothing to do w the Post. Sorry.

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