1999 - Kevin Johnson (I thought he was decent).2000 - Dennis Northcutt (also had his moments, but will always be famous for one infamous drop).2001 - Quincy Morgan (had a brief shining moment, then meh)2002 - Andre Davis (kinda like Ted Ginn Jr., never really translated as a WR).2009 - Brian Robiskie (unmitigated disaster), Mo Massaquoi (jury still out, but hardly exciting).2011 - Greg Little (looks to have potential, but hard to see him providing much production with Colt in the lineup).

With an extra pick in 1999, the Browns took Rahim Abdullah (incredibly awful) in addition to KJ. 2003 was Chaun Thompson (more useless than most of those WR's) and 2004 was Sean Jones (whatever happened to him?). 2005 was Brodney Pool (is he still playing?), 2006 was DQ (finally starting to live up to it). 2007's was sacrificed for Brady f-ing Quinn (goddamit), although they did move back up and get Eric Wright (which cost them the 2008 2nd rd pick). In addition to the 2 WR's, 2009 brought us the mercurial David Veikune (a pick before Heckert nabbed LeShaun McCoy). 2010 was TJ Ward (a little inconsistent but worth it, imho) and Montario Hardesty (might be snakebitten). 2011 brought Jabaal Sheard (looks good so far) in addition to Little.

So one might argue that the plethora of WR picks in the 2nd round were actually better than the other players taken (which ain't sayin' much).

Watch New England pick him up and he becomes more than serviceable. No not bedside I'm a OSU honk (i am), no it's because this is the Browns and OIC could a move that makes this much sense come back and look so idiotic in 3 years

"Strangers passing in the street, by chances two separate glances meet and I am you and what I see his me."

1999 - Kevin Johnson (I thought he was decent).2000 - Dennis Northcutt (also had his moments, but will always be famous for one infamous drop).2001 - Quincy Morgan (had a brief shining moment, then meh)2002 - Andre Davis (kinda like Ted Ginn Jr., never really translated as a WR).2009 - Brian Robiskie (unmitigated disaster), Mo Massaquoi (jury still out, but hardly exciting).2011 - Greg Little (looks to have potential, but hard to see him providing much production with Colt in the lineup).

With an extra pick in 1999, the Browns took Rahim Abdullah (incredibly awful) in addition to KJ. 2003 was Chaun Thompson (more useless than most of those WR's) and 2004 was Sean Jones (whatever happened to him?). 2005 was Brodney Pool (is he still playing?), 2006 was DQ (finally starting to live up to it). 2007's was sacrificed for Brady f-ing Quinn (goddamit), although they did move back up and get Eric Wright (which cost them the 2008 2nd rd pick). In addition to the 2 WR's, 2009 brought us the mercurial David Veikune (a pick before Heckert nabbed LeShaun McCoy). 2010 was TJ Ward (a little inconsistent but worth it, imho) and Montario Hardesty (might be snakebitten). 2011 brought Jabaal Sheard (looks good so far) in addition to Little.

So one might argue that the plethora of WR picks in the 2nd round were actually better than the other players taken (which ain't sayin' much).

sonoranreptile wrote:A. Luck would have made all of them pro-bowlers......./sarcasm

No, but they'd probably look a helluva lot better. We in Cleveland must have forgotten how essential good QB play is since we haven't seen it since the 80's.

(Edited for needless drunken aggression)

`Unfathomable that 13 years later we can say Tim Couch is clearly the best quarterback the Browns have had since their return. Yeah, Holcomb played 4 good games, Anderson played 7 good games, Quinn played 2 good games, etc, etc. Tim freaking Couch is the best Browns qb in the last 13 years. Awesome!!

sonoranreptile wrote:A. Luck would have made all of them pro-bowlers......./sarcasm

No, but they'd probably look a helluva lot better. We in Cleveland must have forgotten how essential good QB play is since we haven't seen it since the 80's.

(Edited for needless drunken aggression)

`Unfathomable that 13 years later we can say Tim Couch is clearly the best quarterback the Browns have had since their return. Yeah, Holcomb played 4 good games, Anderson played 7 good games, Quinn played 2 good games, etc, etc. Tim freaking Couch is the best Browns qb in the last 13 years. Awesome!!

Crazy, isn't it? I'd be hard-pressed to find any other team with a streak that bad that long. Washington, maybe? Miami?

put any of those guys under center with this abortion of an offense and we're talking a 5-2 season at bare min., and talking about being in the playoff hunt. I've seen Brees make average players into good ones. And Brady? dude was throwing to David Patten, Troy Brown and Deion Branch and won 3 SB's with them.

either we're going one of two routes. Throwing a meh QB under center and praying we can build around him, or getting a guy who can crack into the top ten list up there to help us make a run. and at this point, hoping it's the latter.

Swerb wrote:Go start a blog if you want to tell the world your incomprehendible ramblings.

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I have a big arm and can throw the ball pretty damn far...... maybe even over those moutains. The Browns should sign me, i'll let you all in locker room to drink beer. Then we can all go out the parking lot to watch me do motorcycle stunts.

put any of those guys under center with this abortion of an offense and we're talking a 5-2 season at bare min., and talking about being in the playoff hunt. I've seen Brees make average players into good ones. And Brady? dude was throwing to David Patten, Troy Brown and Deion Branch and won 3 SB's with them.

either we're going one of two routes. Throwing a meh QB under center and praying we can build around him, or getting a guy who can crack into the top ten list up there to help us make a run. and at this point, hoping it's the latter.

Not sure if you ranked them in order of impact or skill or qulaity of season, but I think Aaron Rodgers is really pissed that he and Joe Falcco are mentioned in the same list.

In reality, there are the top 4 or so, then a huge gap before you get to "serviceable" (Flacco) and then less of a gap before you get to "feh"

I think you need to be really careful about saying a team with 2 holes at G and no WR no a stud RB with ouchies would be 5-2 with Joe Flacco at QB. Tom Brady? yeah sure. Joe Flacco or Josh Freeman? Not so fast, my friend.

I don't need to be patient, they're going to be shit forever. - CDT, discussing my favorite NFL team

e0y2e3 wrote:The Browns can't have two holes at guard. They avoided the position and OL depth in the off-season because they drafted such good rookie guards they didn't need any help.

Hiko told me so.

Lauvao was on pace to start last year before getting hurt, and looked good in the Preseason. Not sure how he fell apart, but I stand behind my statement from that time that they should have been fine.

And since Steinbach was supposed to start at the other G position, yes, I can see how maybe the Browns thought they were OK there. I suppose they should've anticipated Steinbach being out for the year?

And we both agreed that it was mysterious why the Browns avoided acquiring any veteran depth at any position. I guess they were seeing what they have so they'd know what they need. Well, now they know.

Just got back from a baseball game. Awful, awful draft. Mack may be decent, but he wasn't worth trading down for. And for what, 6th rounders in a garbage draft. Robiskie and Massoqui? Laughable. A LB from Hawaii? HA! Here's a few signs that this draft was hot garbage:

1. You've talked yourself into thinking Robiskie will be a 3rd down WR, and a serviceable professional

2. You've asked someone for information about the 2ND ROUND PICKS!!!

3. You've looked for defensive stats on HAWAII!!

4. You think any of the second round picks add quality or depth to a professional football team.

Just got back from a baseball game. Awful, awful draft. Mack may be decent, but he wasn't worth trading down for. And for what, 6th rounders in a garbage draft. Robiskie and Massoqui? Laughable. A LB from Hawaii? HA! Here's a few signs that this draft was hot garbage:

1. You've talked yourself into thinking Robiskie will be a 3rd down WR, and a serviceable professional

2. You've asked someone for information about the 2ND ROUND PICKS!!!

3. You've looked for defensive stats on HAWAII!!

4. You think any of the second round picks add quality or depth to a professional football team.