You're too funny.... I don't see you attacking the Quran/Koran.... Is not the Quran an old book too? It too, was written by a different "psychic
sandperson", as you put it. Then why aren't you attacking it as well??? Hypocrite. Either you are a hypocrite... or you're like, 12 yrs old... kinda
immature to be posting threads attacking the validity of the Holy Bible.

Well... it's possible that you believe in the Quran... If so, then we know where you are coming from.

We can go on... what about these books? Do you agree with everything that they contain?

-Mormonism: The Book of Mormon, Pearl of Great Price, Doctrine and Covenants

-Bahá'í Faith: The Kitab-i-Iqan, plus many other writings including ones from other faiths

-Thelema: The Holy Books of Thelema especially Liber Al vel Legis

-Scientology: Writings of L. Ron Hubbard

-Satanism: The Satanic Bible, by Anton LaVey

So.. by your silence, dear OP (maybe you haven't the chance to respond to my post yet... it's possible)... You're condoning all the above books to be
gob-smacking OK, including the Quran? And that only the Bible, in your opinion has errors in it? ALL of the above books, other than the Holy Bible, of
course

, are beyond reproach... totally true...where you can stake your soul and eternal life on them? Where you would die for what they state...
should you be pressed into that kind of situation?

This is true, in your opinion? Yes/No?

If there, by any stretch of the imagination... are 'other books' (scary) that I should not believe in... please inform us on ATS and all the world,
for that matter... which ones they are???

I really do understand your point on the bad things of extreme religion being wielded by groups with a nefarious agenda as needing to be stopped. I'm
just hesitant now to bash the Bible like I used too because I do feel that some people glean certain things from it that they need and that are
ultimately good.

Just want to point out that slavery was once considered ultimately good. Slaves supported whole families and produced much more cheap cotton than any
individual family could ever hope to produce without slaves, or without having to pay workers (which would've driven up the price). Slaves helped to
clothe the entire world!

But guess what? When mankind figured out that slavery was wrong and abolished it, people found another way. If people glean certain things that are
ultimately good from the bible, they would find it somewhere else if the bible were condemned for the atrocities it generates.

LOL It's not freedom if we are forced to choose one regime over another. Even more-so, it's not freedom when we are forced to choose such a
totalitarian dictator. Follow my rules or be forever cast into eternal damnation. For I am watching each and every one of you every second of every
day. I see what you do and I know what you think.

Originally posted by pacifier2012
And I guess your alternative is evolution beginning with a big bang of nothing , from nothing into something that didn't exist beforehand giving us
all we see now?

And you have the gall to call Christians nuts?

Ha! Your even nutter !

It takes a lot more faith to believe in Evolution, or Darwinism, then it is to believe that all living things were created at the same time after
their own kind as the Bible states by what I will just call a supernatural force. We can see this through the scientific method of observation, what I
call real science, that all things do indeed exist as is after their own kind, not "evolved", which cannot be observed, so the creationist view is the
most plausible, and you don't actually have to believe in a creator to see this obvious fact.

Sorry guy but there's a little problem that needs addressing. The problem is this. According to the book of Hosea the Israelites and Jews were to be
cut off from their God for a long period of time. According to verse 6-2 they were supposed to face a 2000 year curse. And it hasn't run out yet.
Essentially your're around 20 to 50 years too early to make your claim.

Hosea 6
1 Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.
2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.

2nd Peter 3
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

AAnd if you look at the history of the Jews for the last 2000 years they appear to be serving their punishment.

Originally posted by pacifier2012
And I guess your alternative is evolution beginning with a big bang of nothing , from nothing into something that didn't exist beforehand giving us
all we see now?

And you have the gall to call Christians nuts?

Ha! Your even nutter !

It takes a lot more faith to believe in Evolution, or Darwinism, then it is to believe that all living things were created at the same time after
their own kind by what I will just call a supernatural force. We can see this through the scientific method of observation, what I call real science,
that all things do indeed exist as is after their own kind, not "evolved", which cannot be observed, so the creationist view is the most plausible,
and you don't actually have to believe in a creator to see this obvious fact.

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given)

then how do you explain atavism? and how is it that i can grow yeast in specific conditions and in several months have a significantly different type
of yeast more suited to that environment

you see theres this thing called genetics and it provides huge amounts of evidence that animals do branch out into different groups and over extremely
long periods of time essentially become different animals

Originally posted by pacifier2012
And I guess your alternative is evolution beginning with a big bang of nothing , from nothing into something that didn't exist beforehand giving us
all we see now?

And you have the gall to call Christians nuts?

Ha! Your even nutter !

It takes a lot more faith to believe in Evolution, or Darwinism, then it is to believe that all living things were created at the same time after
their own kind by what I will just call a supernatural force. We can see this through the scientific method of observation, what I call real science,
that all things do indeed exist as is after their own kind, not "evolved", which cannot be observed, so the creationist view is the most plausible,
and you don't actually have to believe in a creator to see this obvious fact.

edit on 25-11-2012 by BlackManINC because: (no reason
given)

then how do you explain atavism? and how is it that i can grow yeast in specific conditions and in several months have a significantly different type
of yeast more suited to that environment

you see theres this thing called genetics and it provides huge amounts of evidence that animals do branch out into different groups and over extremely
long periods of time essentially become different animals

a trick of the devil perhaps?

edit on 25-11-2012 by sirhumperdink because: (no reason given)

I'm not here to turn this thread into another debate about your belief in Darwinism, but nothing you said here validates your belief in any way. This
is why many people, religious or not, have a hard time taking the theory of evolution seriously, as you can see on this thread alone. A yeast may have
different traits depending on the environment its grown in, but as you say, its still a yeast regardless, so you haven't proven anything but the
inconsistency of this belief that a frog can magically transform into a prince if it waits long enough. It would be like me pointing out the many
different breeds of horses as evidence for Darwinism without realizing they are still horses.

Originally posted by pacifier2012
And I guess your alternative is evolution beginning with a big bang of nothing , from nothing into something that didn't exist beforehand giving us
all we see now?

And you have the gall to call Christians nuts?

Ha! Your even nutter !

It takes a lot more faith to believe in Evolution, or Darwinism, then it is to believe that all living things were created at the same time after
their own kind by what I will just call a supernatural force. We can see this through the scientific method of observation, what I call real science,
that all things do indeed exist as is after their own kind, not "evolved", which cannot be observed, so the creationist view is the most plausible,
and you don't actually have to believe in a creator to see this obvious fact.

edit on 25-11-2012 by BlackManINC because: (no reason
given)

then how do you explain atavism? and how is it that i can grow yeast in specific conditions and in several months have a significantly different type
of yeast more suited to that environment

you see theres this thing called genetics and it provides huge amounts of evidence that animals do branch out into different groups and over extremely
long periods of time essentially become different animals

a trick of the devil perhaps?

edit on 25-11-2012 by sirhumperdink because: (no reason given)

I'm not here to turn this thread into another debate about your belief in Darwinism, but nothing you said here validates your belief in any way. This
is why many people, religious or not, have a hard time taking the theory of evolution seriously, as you can see on this thread alone. A yeast may have
different traits depending on the environment its grown in, but as you say, its still a yeast regardless, so you haven't proven anything but the
inconsistency of this belief that a frog can magically transform into a prince if it waits long enough. It would be like me pointing out the many
different breeds of horses as evidence for Darwinism without realizing they are still horses.

edit on 25-11-2012 by BlackManINC because: (no
reason given)

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right because you cant observe it over millions of years
which is what fossil evidence is for and fossil evidence also backs up the theory of evolution (showing the gradual adaptation of one species into
another or several others)

and please adress the issue of genetics and atavism

you concede that a species can adapt into various subspecies but somehow think its not possible that given enough time these changes will build up and
the animal will have to be classified as something new

How can someone be so ignorant and spout such crap as you just did????
You had a revelation(really no pun intended) and the bible is garbage???

I guess it takes all kinds. Just wanted to get a rise out of someone? Been drinking and you are not in a bar so you can't irritate some patron there,
and just wanted to come to the ATS community to find it?
I know you'll have several people at you level agreeing....What a way to end a laid back Sunday...

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