Nokia has the same problem as RIM. Very nice hardware, but lacking in the software department. I would kill to take the camera (41MP, f/2.4 Zeiss lens, 1/1.2" CMOS sensor) from the PV808, the curved screen from the Lumia 920, the case (excellent build quality, easy access to battery, mSD and SIM) and navigation cursor from my BB Torch and throw Android Jellybean onto it.

Haven't had a chance to play with BB10, but I always found the software to be the weakest part of the BB ecosystem. Switching to a QNX kernel might make it more responsive, but there is a lot of user-facing software that sits on top of it. The system settings menu in the older version was dreadful. And fark you, I am not paying $7/mo to use your GPS navigation app when Android comes with a better one for free.

I'm curious as to if RIM is going to live and die by their Blackberry OS, or if after enough failures they move over to making apps for iOS devices and specialized corporate Android devices. They could be the king of the physical keyboard Android segment.

/also it would be cool if say you could take any Android device to your IT department and them flash RIM's version of Android onto the phone with all the security features, BB communications suite, and such that your company requires you to have. You pick the hardware you want, then IT hands you the secure OS

DontMakeMeComeBackThere:Unless you're the (still) butthurt Gawker media...in which case this is the best phone ever, and Apple should just burn the Cupertino campus for the insurance money immediately.

I loved the keyboards on my E71 and old BlackBerrys, but after I got used to Android and other modern smartphone OSes, I just couldn't go back to the creaky old Symbian and BB operating systems. The Android candybar QWERTYs were always lacking. The Q-10 looks like it may finally have solving choosing between a good OS and a good keyboard.

Dinjiin:Popcorn Johnny: If the Q10 does well, Samsung or HTC will come out with a physical keyboard phone by the end of the year.

You mean, something like the Stratosphere II that they just released?

Came out in November 2012 and featured specs from top-tier phones from late 2011. Was given away with new Verizon subscription at release. Samsung has probably forgotten about it already. I would've picked it up, but I went through this song and dance with the Droid 2. The one update I got to the OS made the thing run worse than when I got it.

I think that they should have packaged up the BES software and created clients for all the major platforms and sold it as a standalone product. Companies would have eaten it up. Being able to offer the reliable messaging platform and centralized control (that made Blackberry so popular in the first place) on other platforms that consumers were now forcing their IT departments to use would have been a slam-dunk IMHO.

Imagine secure BBM between the finance guy's Blackberry and the marketing guy's iPhone.

They lost the opportunity to become the default mobile security provider in the mobile space.

dhandler:I think that they should have packaged up the BES software and created clients for all the major platforms and sold it as a standalone product. Companies would have eaten it up. Being able to offer the reliable messaging platform and centralized control (that made Blackberry so popular in the first place) on other platforms that consumers were now forcing their IT departments to use would have been a slam-dunk IMHO.

Imagine secure BBM between the finance guy's Blackberry and the marketing guy's iPhone.

They lost the opportunity to become the default mobile security provider in the mobile space.

They have, minus the messaging, the new BES includes support for other OS's so you can actual control these devices and implement something that resembles security.

Popcorn Johnny:If the Q10 does well, Samsung or HTC will come out with a physical keyboard phone by the end of the year.

I own a physical keyboard HTC phone. I've had if for a year. There have always been at least a few slide out keyboard models on the market, and it was a must for me in switching to a smartphone, so I bought one.

If you did your homework before buying the latest shiny thing advertized all over the place, you would have realized that there were phones with physical keyboards on the market.

dhandler:I think that they should have packaged up the BES software and created clients for all the major platforms and sold it as a standalone product. Companies would have eaten it up. Being able to offer the reliable messaging platform and centralized control (that made Blackberry so popular in the first place) on other platforms that consumers were now forcing their IT departments to use would have been a slam-dunk IMHO.

Imagine secure BBM between the finance guy's Blackberry and the marketing guy's iPhone.

They lost the opportunity to become the default mobile security provider in the mobile space.

They actually did. The newest BES server incorporates bring your own device, and lets you access a lot of those features on other phones.

Popcorn Johnny:Yeah, because touch keyboards are just so farking awesome.

Gotta agree. When I have my phone in landscape mode, the virtual keyboard takes up about 60% of the screen. Maybe with a larger screen like in the GS3, that isn't as much of an issue, but then you have to lug around a big phone.

moothemagiccow:Samsung has probably forgotten about it already. I would've picked it up, but I went through this song and dance with the Droid 2. The one update I got to the OS made the thing run worse than when I got it.

Yup. On the same line of thought, a lot of people were upset that the Droid 3 was never upgraded to ICS. Doesn't help that replacement OS projects like Cyanogenmod were having a boatload of issues getting a port completed (I think they were having issues with the camera codec). So the Droid 2 and Droid X are the last phones supported by CGM.

That doesn't really make me look fondly on the Droid 4. Also doesn't help that the battery can no longer be replaced on the fly, which just makes the reports of short battery life between charges even worse.

The original Stratosphere never received a Cyanogenmod build, but the related Epic 4G for Sprint did. Who knows if they'll consolidate the two series going forward.

Renegade Pervert:dhandler: I think that they should have packaged up the BES software and created clients for all the major platforms and sold it as a standalone product. Companies would have eaten it up. Being able to offer the reliable messaging platform and centralized control (that made Blackberry so popular in the first place) on other platforms that consumers were now forcing their IT departments to use would have been a slam-dunk IMHO.

Imagine secure BBM between the finance guy's Blackberry and the marketing guy's iPhone.

They lost the opportunity to become the default mobile security provider in the mobile space.

They have, minus the messaging, the new BES includes support for other OS's so you can actual control these devices and implement something that resembles security.

Blackberry had clients for Win CE and Nokia for years then pulled them when people started using those instead of buying blackberries.

Either smartphones all suck, samsung sucks or I keep buying duds. Also you can't type on these farking things

I hate my GS3, battery lasts about 8 hours. Should have just kept my E71x and gone off contract. I used to love how iphone people would tell me I didn't have a smartphone. Let's see... email, gps, wifi, google maps, internet browser how don't I have a smartphone? Keyboard was awesome on that thing.

Kibbler:I'm pestering my wife to have her company replace her BB with a Droid. BB was the only game in town once, but you can do so much better.

(Yes, Apple fanboiz, that's your cue.)

Why on earth do you care what phone your wife uses as her work phone? I don't even care what phone my wife chooses as a personal phone.

This is just a guess but please tell me you aren't using your work mobiles for non-work purposes. A co-worker asked me to look at her iphone the other day because she saw some new icons in her inbox next to a couple of personal mail accounts. I should not that all of our company phones have mobile iron installed on them. I'm really not terribly keen on giving my company access to all the personal data in my personal mail and social media apps. It's bad enough that they have access to a GPS receiver that I keep on me at all times.

Who makes a better Android phone than they do? Pre-emptive laugh at HTC and Motorola...

Looks like LG might be in the running. My Nexus 4 has been incredible for me. Coming from HTC, which was great too. I think the contracted phones are handicapped more than I think mfgrs are screwing up.

alberta_beef:WhippingBoy: RIM is a solid Canadian company, much like NorTel and Corel.

Corel is still solidly in business, and in the black...

Nortel used to have one of their larger buildings down the road from my high school. They used to come in a few times a year under the guise of "boosting interest in engineering" while endlessly bragging about the huge campus they were going to build within the next few years. Fast forward 6 years and I'm moving furniture and computers out of that building and loading it into moving trucks or dumpsters.

Either smartphones all suck, samsung sucks or I keep buying duds. Also you can't type on these farking things

I hate my GS3, battery lasts about 8 hours. Should have just kept my E71x and gone off contract. I used to love how iphone people would tell me I didn't have a smartphone. Let's see... email, gps, wifi, google maps, internet browser how don't I have a smartphone? Keyboard was awesome on that thing.

download juice defender, it will tell you what apps are using your juice, and shut them down, it will condition your battery, etc, and you will get about 12-20 out of it, without all the ancillary stuff running.