Post by captain swoop on Sept 10, 2010 14:50:35 GMT -4

How would Patton have got to Moscow as the claim goes? Soviet forces massively outnumbered US forces in 1945, they were well equipped with better tanks than the US and battle hardened troops.Hitler failed when he attacked an unprepared and badly equipped Soviet Union. Britian wouldn't have gone for an attack on Russia. Our army was worn out, after D-Day there were no more reserves to send in, there was plenty of hardware but no more men. Plus I think there would have been a mutiny in the British ranks if anyone had tried to order them to start fighting a new war.

Post by Jason on Sept 10, 2010 15:43:03 GMT -4

As it happens, I own this game and know quite a bit about Steve Jackson Games. In fact, I've met Steve Jackson himself. You should try playing his LEGO Pirates war game with him sometime.

The FBI raid on SJG was after the Cyberpunk supplement then being written for the GURPS role-playing game, because the FBI had a tip that it was a manual for committing computer crime. This was in part because the author had researched hacker groups (including frequenting their BBSes and interviewing a few) in creating the book. It had nothing to do with Illuminati - New World Order, which wasn't even in development at the time.

In fact, INWO is a re-working of a much earlier game - Illuminati - that SJG published in the early '80s (inspired by the Illuminatis trilogy). SJG adopted the "all-seeing eye" logo for their company because the earlier game was such a success.

Both games concern shadowy conspiracy groups like the Bavarian Illuminati, the UFOs, the Gnomes of Zurich, and the Servants of Cthulhu trying to control organizations or places like the Pentagon, California, and the Boy Sprouts in order to dominate the world, with a very tongue-in-cheek attitude (as you can probably tell from the names).

INWO was released in 1995. The FBI raid occurred in 1990.

INWO didn't exist at the time of the raid. The "Illuminati BBS" was in fact the BBS for Steve Jackson Games covering all of their products, not directly related to any one game.

There are 750 cards in the INWO set, not 100. How many future terrorist attacks did the author overlook by only looking through 100 of them?

The "Terrorist Nuke" card doesn't in fact accurately predict the 9/11 attack on the towers, since it doesn't concern airplanes in any way. It also doesn't depict a particular incident. In the game, the card is an action card, played to boost an attack by one Illuminati group on another, or to resist an attack. You can put many more than one in your deck and play them all.

The "Pentagon" card is a group card - one of the groups the Illuminati seek to control during the game. It's a mushroom cloud coming from the center of the Pentagon, not just a fire. The Pentagon is one of the stonger groups in the game (notice the much lower numbers for the CDC depicted later on).

"Population Control" does not in fact depict the twin towers. In the game the card is a way of getting to victory more quickly, especially useful for those Illuminati groups that want to destroy the world rather than control it.

INWO is not a role-playing game. It is in fact a collectible card game, something quite different. SJGs did publish an Illuminati supplement for their GURPS role-playing game.

There's probably more errors than that, but those are what jumped out at me from the linked silliness.

'How shall a man judge what to do in such times?' 'As he ever has judged,' said Aragorn. 'Good and ill have not changed since yesteryear; nor are they one thing among Elves and Dwarves, and another among Men. It is a man's part to discern them, as much in the Golden Wood as in his own house.'

Post by Jason on Sept 10, 2010 16:11:14 GMT -4

Heh. Sounds like you might as well point at the Chick Tracts for an accurate portrayal of a D&D game...

Oh, I use the mind control spells I learned from playing D&D to win arguments on this forum all the time, just as Jack Chick depicts.

'How shall a man judge what to do in such times?' 'As he ever has judged,' said Aragorn. 'Good and ill have not changed since yesteryear; nor are they one thing among Elves and Dwarves, and another among Men. It is a man's part to discern them, as much in the Golden Wood as in his own house.'

Post by on Sept 10, 2010 20:20:13 GMT -4

Maybe that "we will bury you" comment that Khrushchev said had something to do with our being paranoid.

Not much. This comment was from 1956, and would be unable to explain paranoia prior to that time. Even this article a week later rather shows the existence of a fair degree of paranoia prior to that time. And Soviet politicians did not have a monopoly on this sort of statement. (Remember Ronald Reagan's little open microphone accident a few decades later? Not the earliest or the only such statement.)

Post by blackstar on Sept 12, 2010 14:47:03 GMT -4

Let's compare this to war correspondents I've actually heard of, like Chester Wilmot and Richard Dimbleby, who actually travelled with the soldiers whose battles they described.

Ernie Pyle, who was actually killed in combat. Now, that was the premiere war correspondent as far as the US was concerned; books from the time talk about reading his work. Books set in the era, too.

Does anyone with a lick of sense really believe that those generals would keep quiet? Could anyone shut up Douglas MacArthur?

Oh come now are you suggesting that all of those historical figures were mere ordinary human beings with egos, desires, and ideas of their own rather than perfectly harmonized members of the NWO? Who's going to believe that?

Post by gillianren on Sept 12, 2010 15:16:10 GMT -4

Heh.

I'm also trying to remember--I read somewhere about the astonishing amount of time England and France spent at war with one another since 1066, but they were allies in both world wars. Was Agincourt a hoax, too? (Though any photographs of it would certainly be faked!)

Gillian

"This seems like a job for Bipolar Bear . . . but I just can't seem to get out of bed."

"Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it." --Mark Twain

Post by tedward on Sept 12, 2010 16:08:25 GMT -4

I prefer to think that 1066 was a Viking affair.

But we were at it with France until Boney got the boot to an Island retirement. Not long after Agincourt Henry was not far off taking the crown of France but popped his cloggs. Then of course we fought them all over the world as well and there are some legacies from them including India (or how it ended up they way it did until the UK got out.

Then we had spats with the Spanish, Portuguese, well, just about anyone really.

Edit. Crecy was another big win that does not get a mention, look up the Black Prince.

Post by gillianren on Sept 12, 2010 18:49:00 GMT -4

Prior to 1066, the language of the island, or at least the south of it, was Old English. There had been Northmen there for some time, but there were also the Angles and the Saxons and various other of the Germanic tribes. Not to mention Celts and Picts and the like.

Gillian

"This seems like a job for Bipolar Bear . . . but I just can't seem to get out of bed."

"Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it." --Mark Twain