super_grass:But... but... but people wear Che T-shirts all the time, why would ANYONE get upset over Hitler?

I've noticed something interesting (and sometimes hilarious)....the people who get all butthurt about anything that glorifies Che, or Castro, or currently Chavez, are pretty much the same people who sometimes like to talk about all the political policies Hitler got right, and how under Mussolini, at least the trains ran on time....

Bidness Man writes: "My colleagues and I were astounded to learn that "learnt" is an acceptable British variation of "learned," to express past learning.

Apparently Indians follow the British rules rather than the American rules for some reason. (Oh, yeah. The Empire. Now I remember). As does, well, pretty much the whole English-speaking world except people too lazy to switch their spell checker from US English to UK or other Englishes. God only knows what spell-checkers do in India: most likely, explode.

Personally I probably switch back and forth between UK and British usage according to whim, taste, or context. Although "I learnt" sounds wrong or at least wrongish, I do use some British usages when I prefer them or they sound "right".

I'd like to give Noah Webster a boot to the head. Spelling reformers piss me off. There's no way we want people to write the way they speak. Remember how some of them speak. There's no reason for them to be incomprehensible in writing as well as when they speak.

Canned Tamales:super_grass: But... but... but people wear Che T-shirts all the time, why would ANYONE get upset over Hitler?

I've noticed something interesting (and sometimes hilarious)....the people who get all butthurt about anything that glorifies Che, or Castro, or currently Chavez, are pretty much the same people who sometimes like to talk about all the political policies Hitler got right, and how under Mussolini, at least the trains ran on time....

BigNumber12:TheDirtyNacho: geoduck42: The store-owner is quoted as claiming that he didn't know who Hitler was, and got the idea from a family nickname. This is India and not Europe or the US, but still.. if he's telling the truth.. wow.

It is believable. A lot of non-western nations were relatively untouched by WW II culturally speaking. As a result, Hitler and the Nazis are viewed more as historical figures rather than monsters.

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But we have our own equivalent:

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Genghis Khan was the Hitler of his time with Mongol conquests killing some 30-60 million people.

That's a farking great point.

And one of the most interesting wikipedia pages I've read recently.....fark, man, China makes the rest of the rest of the world look like farking amateurs at that whole mass war and genocide thing, even Russia can't keep up. They go through 50-100 million almost every century or so...

TheDirtyNacho:geoduck42: The store-owner is quoted as claiming that he didn't know who Hitler was, and got the idea from a family nickname. This is India and not Europe or the US, but still.. if he's telling the truth.. wow.

It is believable. A lot of non-western nations were relatively untouched by WW II culturally speaking. As a result, Hitler and the Nazis are viewed more as historical figures rather than monsters.

From Asia:[www.cynical-c.com image 400x285]

But we have our own equivalent:

[www.sierraus.com image 607x407]

Genghis Khan was the Hitler of his time with Mongol conquests killing some 30-60 million people.

chuckufarlie:geoduck42: The store-owner is quoted as claiming that he didn't know who Hitler was, and got the idea from a family nickname. This is India and not Europe or the US, but still.. if he's telling the truth.. wow.

Indian troops fought in Europe. I have a hard time believing that he did not know. That swastika dotting the letter "I" gives it away, don't ya think?

He's lying like a rug.

I don't know. The ignorance of Indians seems to match that of Americans. I met a lower-level political staffer of the Congress Party who told me that the reason why the US was in decline was because the majority of Americans were black.

Is it simply too soon for a Hitler store? Is there something less evil about a guy who killed many many many more people than Hitler did?

WHERE'S THE OUTRAGE?

Uh, yeah.....there are still living people all over the world who were either directly affected, or whose very recent ancestors were directly affected by the Nazis...the gates in front of the death camps haven't even rusted away yet. Not too hard to figure out the difference in outrage, jeenyus.

6 million is just the number of Jews killed in the concentration camps. Total concentration camp deaths were between 11 and 17 million people. The war killed over 60 million people, over 2.5% of the world population. The Soviets lost 23 million people (most of them while fighting against the Nazi's although a small number would have been killed while allied with Germany). Even if you disregard all Germans killed fighting for the Nazis as Nazis who deserved to to die (which counts children soldiers in the mix) the Axis killed 30 million people IN EUROPE ALONE!

HoratioGates:6 million is just the number of Jews killed in the concentration camps. Total concentration camp deaths were between 11 and 17 million people. The war killed over 60 million people, over 2.5% of the world population. The Soviets lost 23 million people (most of them while fighting against the Nazi's although a small number would have been killed while allied with Germany). Even if you disregard all Germans killed fighting for the Nazis as Nazis who deserved to to die (which counts children soldiers in the mix) the Axis killed 30 million people IN EUROPE ALONE!

Zulfikar:chuckufarlie: geoduck42: The store-owner is quoted as claiming that he didn't know who Hitler was, and got the idea from a family nickname. This is India and not Europe or the US, but still.. if he's telling the truth.. wow.

Indian troops fought in Europe. I have a hard time believing that he did not know. That swastika dotting the letter "I" gives it away, don't ya think?

He's lying like a rug.

I don't know. The ignorance of Indians seems to match that of Americans. I met a lower-level political staffer of the Congress Party who told me that the reason why the US was in decline was because the majority of Americans were black.

That's something that I love about the sub-continentals I've met: their hilarious combination of incurious ignorance and brain-defying racism. A Pakistani co-worker (one that had gone to school at McGill, the big university in Montreal) once introduced himself apologetically as "incredibly racist." Chill dude though, once you got over all the jokes about black people.

Is it simply too soon for a Hitler store? Is there something less evil about a guy who killed many many many more people than Hitler did?

WHERE'S THE OUTRAGE?

How about the fact that nobody even knows anyone who was living during that time?

That tends to happen after several centuries.

There's still plenty of people around that may not have been alive during WWII but have had close relatives that were.

/now where's my toga? I need to throw a party to celebrate an Empire built on lands taken by force and slavery.

Ask a Korean about the Hill of Ears. Then ask a Japanese about the Hill of Ears. That happened several hundred years ago.

Interesting point (seriously, that was a really interesting page)...but still not quite the same thing. Now if a third party had opened up a "Hill of Noses Tonsorial Parlor & Souvenir Shoppe" while plenty of surivivors were still around and near, I'm sure he could have expected some backlash....

Fark Me To Tears:FTFA: The owner of an Indian clothing store said Wednesday that he would only change its name from "Hitler" if he was compensated for re-branding costs, amid a growing row over the new shop.

The outlet, which sells Western men's wear, opened 10 days ago in Ahmedabad city in the western state of Gujarat with "Hitler" written in big letters over the front and with a Nazi swastika as the dot on the "i".

"I will change it (the name) if people want to compensate me for the money we have spent -- the logo, the hoarding, the business cards, the brand," Rajesh Shah told AFP.

Nope... tell you what... Why don't you just leave it alone? You're obviously too ignorant to understand the ramifications of your actions, so why should you have to deal with the consequences of that ignorance? I'm sure that if you continue on with this venture, people will eventually understand. After all, why should a businessman have to pay to correct his own incredibly stupid mistake?

Medic Zero:TheDirtyNacho: geoduck42: The store-owner is quoted as claiming that he didn't know who Hitler was, and got the idea from a family nickname. This is India and not Europe or the US, but still.. if he's telling the truth.. wow.

It is believable. A lot of non-western nations were relatively untouched by WW II culturally speaking. As a result, Hitler and the Nazis are viewed more as historical figures rather than monsters.

From Asia:[www.cynical-c.com image 400x285]

But we have our own equivalent:

[www.sierraus.com image 607x407]

Genghis Khan was the Hitler of his time with Mongol conquests killing some 30-60 million people.

Too soon?

No, first we have to have a "discussion" about how more atheists killed people than Christians.

FTFA: The owner of an Indian clothing store said Wednesday that he would only change its name from "Hitler" if he was compensated for re-branding costs, amid a growing row over the new shop.

The outlet, which sells Western men's wear, opened 10 days ago in Ahmedabad city in the western state of Gujarat with "Hitler" written in big letters over the front and with a Nazi swastika as the dot on the "i".

"I will change it (the name) if people want to compensate me for the money we have spent -- the logo, the hoarding, the business cards, the brand," Rajesh Shah told AFP.

peterthx:Canned Tamales: super_grass: But... but... but people wear Che T-shirts all the time, why would ANYONE get upset over Hitler?

I've noticed something interesting (and sometimes hilarious)....the people who get all butthurt about anything that glorifies Che, or Castro, or currently Chavez, are pretty much the same people who sometimes like to talk about all the political policies Hitler got right, and how under Mussolini, at least the trains ran on time....

[citation needed]

I'm sorry, I can't "cite a reference" to my own personal experiences, dipshiat, excpet to recall that they happened.

The last time I heard somebody defend some of Hitler's far-right political ideals, the same conversation turned to modern American politics. The other person went off on how people "worshipped" Obama....to him, it really did seem like "worship", and of course, completely unreasonable and unearned. I pointed out that the same was very much true, if not moreso, about Reagan. He could not see the comparison at all, even though he had three Reagan posters/pictures in his office, yet was only in grade school when Reagan was in office, and couldn't tell me any hard facts about what Reagan had done to "earn" all the praise....

sorry, again, no "citations". Just a lifetime of not being a blind dipshiat.

TheDirtyNacho:It is believable. A lot of non-western nations were relatively untouched by WW II culturally speaking.

Not so much that they were untouched by WWII culturally speaking but were untouched by WWII Germany. There are a lot of parts of Asia that still have a very negative view of Japan due to WWII. When I was in Singapore my guide practically spit in disgust any time the "J-word" came up.

In all fairness the swastika does not mean the same thing in Asia as it does in the west. There it's still very much a symbol for luck and prosperity. When I was last in India I would shower with Swastika Brand soap.

TheDirtyNacho:geoduck42: The store-owner is quoted as claiming that he didn't know who Hitler was, and got the idea from a family nickname. This is India and not Europe or the US, but still.. if he's telling the truth.. wow.

It is believable. A lot of non-western nations were relatively untouched by WW II culturally speaking. As a result, Hitler and the Nazis are viewed more as historical figures rather than monsters.

From Asia:[www.cynical-c.com image 400x285]

But we have our own equivalent:

[www.sierraus.com image 607x407]

Genghis Khan was the Hitler of his time with Mongol conquests killing some 30-60 million people.

More like naming your business after Hirohito, he is more recent, but yeah.

HoratioGates:6 million is just the number of Jews killed in the concentration camps. Total concentration camp deaths were between 11 and 17 million people. The war killed over 60 million people, over 2.5% of the world population. The Soviets lost 23 million people (most of them while fighting against the Nazi's although a small number would have been killed while allied with Germany). Even if you disregard all Germans killed fighting for the Nazis as Nazis who deserved to to die (which counts children soldiers in the mix) the Axis killed 30 million people IN EUROPE ALONE!

And Stalin killed 20 million in RUSSIA ALONE all by himself, what' s your point?

Not all German soldiers deserved to die; hell, ANY soldier in ANY conflict doesn't deserve to die any more than any civilian in any conflict. It's the nature of conflict. There are no "bad" wars or "good" wars. In all wars, lots of people die, and people do their memories a great disservice, imo, by trying to say that somehow the dead killed by Nazis merit more sympathy than the Nazis killed by Soviets.

Gyrfalcon:HoratioGates: 6 million is just the number of Jews killed in the concentration camps. Total concentration camp deaths were between 11 and 17 million people. The war killed over 60 million people, over 2.5% of the world population. The Soviets lost 23 million people (most of them while fighting against the Nazi's although a small number would have been killed while allied with Germany). Even if you disregard all Germans killed fighting for the Nazis as Nazis who deserved to to die (which counts children soldiers in the mix) the Axis killed 30 million people IN EUROPE ALONE!

And Stalin killed 20 million in RUSSIA ALONE all by himself, what' s your point?

Not all German soldiers deserved to die; hell, ANY soldier in ANY conflict doesn't deserve to die any more than any civilian in any conflict. It's the nature of conflict. There are no "bad" wars or "good" wars. In all wars, lots of people die, and people do their memories a great disservice, imo, by trying to say that somehow the dead killed by Nazis merit more sympathy than the Nazis killed by Soviets.

Amos Quito:Gyrfalcon: HoratioGates: 6 million is just the number of Jews killed in the concentration camps. Total concentration camp deaths were between 11 and 17 million people. The war killed over 60 million people, over 2.5% of the world population. The Soviets lost 23 million people (most of them while fighting against the Nazi's although a small number would have been killed while allied with Germany). Even if you disregard all Germans killed fighting for the Nazis as Nazis who deserved to to die (which counts children soldiers in the mix) the Axis killed 30 million people IN EUROPE ALONE!

And Stalin killed 20 million in RUSSIA ALONE all by himself, what' s your point?

Not all German soldiers deserved to die; hell, ANY soldier in ANY conflict doesn't deserve to die any more than any civilian in any conflict. It's the nature of conflict. There are no "bad" wars or "good" wars. In all wars, lots of people die, and people do their memories a great disservice, imo, by trying to say that somehow the dead killed by Nazis merit more sympathy than the Nazis killed by Soviets.