Korea-related speculations

They have been deleted by 124.25.106.108. What is the point of that? Political correctness? --KFYatek 16:24, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Since that IP is from Japan, Japanese fans probably found that speculation unpleasant. Personally I would like to avoid this topic since it would led to vandalization from both sides, but I'll just follow the consensus here. --0x99 16:44, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Note that the IP that added it is Japanese too... Anyway, I'd let it flow too if I were you --Homerun-chan 16:48, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Oh you're right, I misread the diffs (I didn't see the problematic sentence was part of a bigger paragraph so the diffs made it look like it was the japanese anon who added it). Whatever... --Homerun-chan 16:59, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

The Pit and the Pendulum speculah at Homura Residence seems to come from the same people. At the time I edited it, I thought it was kind of strange that the original poster emphasized their credit in first observing it -- given that nobody else really cares for that stuff. o.O

On the subject of political correctness, though, it would probably be good to keep an eye out for article content that may be inflammatory to certain groups? --Fallacies 20:30, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

It's being discussed in the thread right now (thread #261 for archive reference). I think we all agree the guy who saw anti-Korean subtext read too much into things. As for the openly racist content, I for one skim through the changes regularly (and I'm fairly sure I'm not the only one) so I believe it would be spotted/corrected rather fast. Concerning 'accidents' like the one that just happened, I'd let the problem solve itself. --Homerun-chan 20:32, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Can anybody work the speculation into a politically-correct form? --User:Craig1125--

There are problems with the speculah as is:

The attributes suggested to denote Korean heritage here are, simply put, highly neutral in meaning. They can be taken at face value without a deeper explanation. More to the point, they don't warrant a deeper explanation. Most speculah that have been given articles in this wiki describe "odd" events or phenomenon that are explicitly without explanation, or require more of an explanation than the canon offers in order to make sense. In this case, there is nothing about Kyouko thus far that strongly demands fans to supply explanation to her background beyond what is provided.

Using logic similar to that posed within the speculah, I could claim that Sayaka is probably half-Russian because of the ethnic backgrounds of the musicians she likes. I could then elaborate the claim with circumstantial evidence relating to her negative, Russian-stereotypical personality traits and the relevance of the three mirrors in her living room to Russian folklore. This would then be used as a basis for a claim that Akiyuki Shinbo is promoting a negative portrayal of those with Russian heritage. In short, it becomes possible to read anything into anything.

You could make this speculah perfectly neutral and politically correct in wording, etc, but so long as the content essentially accuses Akiyuki Shinbo of promoting negative, racist stereotypes, you're provoking people into participating in a flame war or an edit war. Unless more substantial evidence can be provided -- past comments; past usages of explicitly Korean themes that you can't mistake for anything else; past involvement in racially-motivated rows, etc -- there isn't even grounds to format this thing as a justified, informed criticism of Akiyuki Shinbo's works.

Unless these three issues are addressed, it is very unlikely that the speculah will fly. I don't even mean that in the sense of, "I personally won't support it." I mean that if it gets put up, every flamemonger out there with an interest in Madoka will end up trolling here. --Fallacies 09:47, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

I suppose what you are saying is right and will not try anything further.Craig1125 13:48, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Unless the pollitical problem, that speculation was made just for fun. In, Korea, nobody believe it, and the creator of that speculation said that he made it just for fun. 124.55.212.243 12:29, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

From the text alone, it's impossible to determine the intent of the writer. Even if he or "most Koreans" don't take it seriously, somebody might. Saying, "Oh, it's just something I did for fun," while laying the groundwork for a potential flamewar is kind of irresponsible. =.=;; --Fallacies 19:49, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Some of the speculation is compelling, particularly the apple symbolism (Instead of just "wasting food" Sayaka must choose between treating it as the tainted biblical fruit of knowledge or a gesture of apology. By choosing the former she chooses purity and uncompromising honor at the cost of rejecting the concept of redemption and the importance of human relationships. As a side effect, this is a direct insult to Kyouko, not just to her food manners). Simply saying a character is Korean isn't accusing Shinbo of anything, although the original post certainly was. The only reason not to put a revised version up is that it might attract people who are out to have a flamewar regardless of the actual content. --17:40, 28 February 2011 KM

Weapon usage

So far, Kyouko is the only Magical Girl to not create multiple copies of her weapon to use in battle.
Is it worth adding this into the trivia? Or would it be worth adding a weapon usage section to all character profiles?
xgraphy 04:34, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Well, adding it as trivia would be okay, but I'm not really sure if it's worthwhile enough to add a section to everyone? --Fallacies 04:59, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Speculah

Kyouko is not seen in Prolog im Himmel. She may be dead or became witch herself. The reason for being not seen is not revealed yet

according to a japanese watcher, kyouko died in episdoe 9 -originalanon

More speculah: in the end we see Kyouko take her father's amulet from her hairband, and pray.
Than we see her from Sayaka's point of view
http://graphicshost.net/images/61tva9gc8vnkxek.png
Maybe that was her special ability: to get through to people/get into their heads?Cleo 00:45, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Melusine Picture

Can someone explain why there seems to be a connection between Melusine and Kyoko's Soul Gem? I don't really see it. --24.187.7.217 10:43, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

One legend of the Melusine indicates that the Melusine has a golden key on her mouth. The legend says that if you retrieve the golden key from the Melusine she can be freed and be claimed as a bride. When Kyouko fuses her Soul Gem with her hairpin the shape and form looks almost like a golden key. It is speculation, but it is peculiar that the new form of her Soul Gem would take such a form, not to mention it seems strange that she would need to fuse her hairpin with her Soul Gem sine she will destroy it later. --Mutopis 01:16, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

We keep calling them 'the Japanese' which while it might be based on language honestly comes off the same as just calling us 'the Americans' or 'the English'. I'm not sure this honestly matters?

It doesn't, that wasn't a serious comment. But just to prove you wrong, let me point out that the difference is that Japanese (the language) is pretty much spoken only by Japanese (the people), while a whole lot of people use English on the internet, even though it's not their native language. But whatever, my comment was more humor than anything else, really. --Homerun-chan 21:56, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Platonic or Yuri Love

Going with the current trend of cleaning/refactoring the pages, shouldn't this section get its own page? It's not specific to Kyouko, it also involves Sayaka (and not a note is on her page), plus Homu x Madoka. Maybe that other anon's introduction to yuri that was in somebody's talkpage would also have its place there? --Homerun-chan 11:00, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

I agree. The subtext, analysis and speculation is quite extensive, and not only is too big for either side's page, but it deserves it's own. That said, I understand it being here, given that it's mostly one-sided, but still... --BrickBreak 11:32, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

An entire page dedicated to yuri pairings would be nice, but sounds like a lot of work, maybe 98.169.117.208 can start the work on it. --Mutopis 21:56, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Yes, it's on my to-do list. Analysis has taken a backseat to getting out new material for fans. We've had a good number of scans and spoilers recently. Also, to be frank, I know a yuri-specific page is going to be contentious so I'd like it to at least be in reasonably good shape before putting one out there. --randomanon 22:11, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Question, as people are revamping character pages, how much are they editing the current content and how much are you leaving in? Just wondering about the latitude I have if I'm taking these sections and incorporating them into a new page. --randomanon 02:20, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Apartment Issue

I thought the issue regarding the manga and anime separation was just the Madoka Manga because they have differences. Is there any evidence that the Oriko manga wont try to remain faithful to the source material? --Mutopis 06:11, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

We already know with things like QB flying, that it's different than the anime. And it doesn't change the point that there will be things that happen in Oriko that doesn't happen in the anime, and the source material needs to be very clear so no one gets confused. The easiest is to just create a new section for the manga, and put in manga-related observations in there, rather than sprinkle them throughout the page. -randomanon 06:13, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Then should we create new character pages for Mami, Homura, and Kyuoko when it differs in the Oriko manga or do we create a new subsection on the respective pages indicating that the source is from the manga. I am only guessing and something tells me we are going to have to indicate those differences somehow --Mutopis 06:18, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

It was discussed and people were opposed to having a different page for manga...especially since the anime characters appear in two different manga (the Madoka and Oriko one). Just create a subsection for the manga on the character page. Also, judging from what I see with Oriko, there's quite a bit that could be added to key characters from it, so it really needs its own section rather than sticking it randomly here and there among the anime points. randomanon 06:25, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

That reminds me, what are we going to do with the witches on the other mangas once we have enough materials. --Mutopis 06:41, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

There is stuff like this around [3][4] --Mutopis 06:42, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Megami Article

Unfortunately it is only a rumor in 4chan but apparently there is a magazine article indicating that Kyouko has Jedi Mind Tricks caused by her wish (which makes sense) and she gets her income by stealing money from ATM machines. So far that article has not been found, nor do i know how old is the suppose article. We need to keep an eye on this. --Mutopis 05:56, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Also, could it be that Kyouko has a Geass??... --Mutopis 05:57, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

This is awesome[5], too bad the Anime never showed Kyouko doing a Jedi Mind Trick, it would had been awesome. --Mutopis 23:58, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

"These are not the apples you are looking for"--Mutopis 00:00, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Been busy so I missed the 4chan talk. I've seen this confirmed on multiple Japanese sites as well as the excerpt I posted that this is confirmed as the magical power Kyouko received as a side-effect of her wish. However she never uses it in the anime because she suppresses her ability subconsciously because of what happened with her family. I'm avoiding using the whole "mind trick" because not everyone knows the Star Wars references and her ability seems to be different than actual Jedi mind trick. It's more she can persuade people to see her way, "charm" them, then force people to do what she wants.--randomanon 01:03, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

She would make a formidable politician, charming her way to the top... or a con artist... by the way I added this info in the speculah magical powers. --Mutopis 01:26, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Consider Name Change

It appears Madoka Magica is using "Kyoko" rather than "Kyouko" for the character name as seen on the official twitter and on the officialwebsite. Do we want to consider a global name change for consistency? --randomanon 05:13, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

I would show caution first regarding the proper spelling of names if we consider the source, not exactly the creator and few blunders here and there regarding spellings if you ask me. Instead we should be asking which spelling would reflect or be the accurate approximation for Kyōko Sakura (佐倉 杏子 Sakura Kyōko). --Mutopis 05:51, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Well as I'd already explained elsewhere on the site, whenever Japan uses English to spell out her name for official merchandise (see example), they also write it as "Kyoko." The use of "Kyouko" is a western fan-selected name; it does not reflect what Japan does and now what Aniplex USA is doing. I don't mind delaying the change however, I think it does need to be done sooner or later. --randomanon 06:42, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

If it is from the merchandise that is officially endorse from SHAFT and the creators are ok with it then sure we should change it and needs to be done. I just don't think we should do it just because Aniplex USA is doing it. --Mutopis 07:02, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

The ring in the anime (which was changed in the BD in one scene) uses Kyoko. Unfortunate since I usually don't like changing names and common search terms. Japan's habit of going with simplicity and elegance over uptight precision is once again the scourge of foreigners everywhere. shOganai KM 07:05, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

It's annoying but I rather see the changes happen sooner before we write up even more things using her name. I've brought it up before with the Japanese merchandising issue. You can go to any vendor site that uses English and find it is consistently "Kyoko" for all her merchandising options. But I forget exactly why, it was dismissed at the time and I thought I'd wait to see what would happen when Madoka is licensed in English. I don't think we should disregard what Aniplex USA does. They have the official license to distribute this in English. It's what English-speaking fans are going to see. If we deviate from what they do in their official capacity, I think there has to be a good reason for it. --randomanon 07:25, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Family

I wonder, should we do some kind of Sakura Family page with her mom, dad, and momo in it? We do have a momo page, but we dont know the name of Kyoko's parents. --Mutopis 05:13, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Editing the personality section without sounding bias...?

Exactly what that says. I have an interpertation of her ideas about her family and her sacrifice that took place in episode 9. I want to add it because I think it's a key part to her development as a character, but listing facts that have been outright stated/blatantly obvious is easier and doesn't start arguments. I don't want it to be lik what had happened with the Homura page a while back with the disagreements and fanboyism. --Lord Fawful 14:35, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Maybe put it under the speculah subheader? You can also outline it in the talk page first. - Prima 16:01, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

No, it's fine. Sorry for asking. It's just my lack of wiki editing experience is to blame and I can't get my ideas out even though I do want to contribute. I'll wait for the right time when I am able and I have learned the necessary skills. And I shouldn't be asking for tutorial help on a talk page, that's just wrong. Feel free to blank this section. --Lord Fawful 06:30, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

On the contrary, asking for help is exactly what the talk page should be used for. So don't worry about it. To echo what Prima already said, feel free to outline anything you would like to contribute on the talk page first if you are unsure about adding it directly to the main page. --Knon 12:03, 15 August 2015 (UTC)