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SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. And I can’t think of a better guest to have when I’m talking about “it’s naturally supernatural” than Ryan Wyatt, because I saw Ryan, and I saw him speaking, and so many miracles broke out. But tell me, when you were London, about the person with the, was it surgically removed, the eardrum?

RYAN: Right. She had what’s called a radical mastoidectomy, and it’s where they cut behind your ear; they take your eardrum out, the inner ear bones. They take all the equipment. And we were just talking about how the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand. It is in the room right now. Just like the visible realm is here, the unseen realm is here. And she really began to believe that power of God was at hand to heal her. And as she began to believe that, just sitting out in the crowd, her ear began to pop, and every time her ear would pop, she would hear something for a few seconds. And God was literally recreating an eardrum in her ear. And by the end of the service it had popped one last time, and Sid, she was hearing perfectly, better than many people in the room.

SID: Tell me about the woman that lost 65 pounds instantly.

RYAN: Yeah. Again, talking about how God is a now God; and the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand, and just making people aware of that. And the Glory of God rolled into this meeting. Actually four clouds, a little bit bigger than a human head rolled in and started to rest over certain people. And there was a woman there that had a thyroid condition that caused her to not be able to lose weight, and this cloud rested over here. She felt like electricity was going through her body. And when the cloud lifted, she stood up about 30 minutes later to go to the restroom and lost 65 pounds instantly. She had to grab a hold of her pants to hold them up. That’s how dramatic the weight loss was.

SID: But are you, I mean I’m in awe when this happens. I mean, I’m sort of like a little kid in a candy store. God, you’re doing it again. How do you feel?

RYAN: Yeah, I have a child-like heart, too. And it’s one of the keys to really staying fresh in the Kingdom, is staying amazed by what God can do. And as often as God does miracles, every time He does them, I’m just sure to thank Him and praise Him, and have the heart of a child, and He keeps doing it.

SID: Speaking of the heart of a child, you really started early. I mean, he was in a pretty much backslidden condition, and he goes with, I guess it was with a church group, out hiking. He’s about 16 years of age and he gets lost. And there’s going to be a horrible snow storm and it’s cold. And what happened?

RYAN: Yeah. I was lost for hours, Sid. I ended up falling into the river, extremely cold water, started to go into…

SID: How did you fall into the river?

RYAN: Well you know, Sid, I was desperate. I realized I was going to die. I realized I was out there all night. Nobody was coming for me. And there was a river that weaved like a snake through the mountains. And I thought, well I’m going to save some time. I’m going to go across these big boulders that were on this river. You know, when you’re desperate you do things that aren’t so smart. And I fell into the river, and then I really realized I’m going to die. And I began to, in a bit of a backslid state in my life; I began to cry out to God. And what came out of my mouth was, “God, if you will save me I will give my life to you in full time ministry.” That’s what I intended to say.

SID: It just kind of came out.

RYAN: That’s just what came out.

SID: I understand that. I’ve done that from time to time. And it does sort of a mental bypass. It’s coming from your spirit.

RYAN: Yeah. Desperation does thing to a person.

SID: And did you follow through on what you said? Because He did rescue you. How long did it take?

RYAN: They found me within 10, 15 minutes. I heard the audible voice of the Lord, Sid, and He spoke to me when I said I’d give my life to Him in full time ministry. All He said, “Okay.” Kind of like, okay, I’ll hold you to that.

SID: But at 16, you started speaking before groups.

RYAN: Well that testimony opened up. It was an amazing testimony. You know, God saved my life. Red Cross said that they wouldn’t come until the next day, and they would probably be coming to get my body. And you know God supernaturally saved me. People wanted to hear that testimony and it opened up doors to a 10-state region to preach the Gospel.

SID: Okay. But then he finds out that he’s hungry for God. You’re hungry for God. That’s why you’re watching us right now. And so he goes to a little sleepy town, Pensacola, Florida. It’s called the Brownsville Revival. And for some three months, you were so overcome with the spirit. What is going on there with you?

RYAN: I was desperate for God. I was crying out for God. I wanted my own encounter. You know, people were experiencing revival. But I want to be a revival. And I was in a restaurant. And Sid, I began to vibrate from the inside out. I began to feel this tangible presence of God and I can feel it right now even just talking about it.

SID: I feel it just you talking about it

RYAN: Yeah. And I remember looking up towards the ceiling for some reason, and here came the cloud of God, the Glory Cloud, like it’s mentioned in the Bible, right in the restaurant, like a mist, and settled over me.

SID: You stop that. I’m starting to vibrate as you’re talking.

RYAN: Yes. Sid, I was vibrating. I could barely hold my fork. My speech began to get slurred. I was becoming incapacitated. And for two and half months, Sid, everyday this cloud would come to me. God would visit me and I would be incapacitated. I was carried out of restaurant after restaurant. And that was really a season of time where God began to teach me about His presence, about His glory, about moving and healing, and ministering to people’s needs just like Jesus did.

SID: Now did you find an increase in miracles after this encounter with God?

RYAN: Absolutely. Every time you have an encounter with God, it’s really like you’re feasting upon Him. You know, Jesus said that he is the bread, the true bread that comes from Heaven and those who eat of him will live forever. And we’re to have a lifestyle of feasting upon the Lord.

SID: But you know what I like about Ryan? He found out very quick that it’s not just the miracles. It’s the miracles and the character. Why is that so important?

RYAN: Well you know, God is a God of character and He’s a God of power. And Jesus, everything that Jesus did in his single human body, his character, his love, his power, that’s also what he wants to do through the corporate body of Christ. And if we’re going to be a witness of how good God is, we can’t just be supernaturally flaky. We’ve got to have good character. We’ve got to have the love of God. We’ve got to have integrity and the power of God. It’s so important.

SID: And it’s so important for you to feast under the presence of God. I mean, I don’t know what God is going to do and I don’t know what, He’s about me, too. Don’t go away. We’ll be right back.

Sid: My guest, Michael Galiga, we found out on yesterday’s broadcast that Michael who has had a very successful life in business, and real estate, he’s worked for some of the largest corporations in the world in real estate; he’s structured transactions and consulted for over twenty-five years at the highest levels of the corporate arena both domestically and internationally; his clients read like a who’s who. And we left you with a as my engineer said, “A cliff hanger,” it wasn’t on purpose, but I’m glad we did that, we got you back today. But when Michael was five years of age, he didn’t know God, but yet he had this awareness that God was around him all the time. He didn’t know who this God was, but at age five he’s being like any five year old, he’s playing marbles and all of a sudden, he wasn’t there. Time stood still, he literally was translated somewhere else and he was shocked that his friends didn’t realize that what was going on. And he was constantly thinking about this event, the whole rest of his life and one day, he got a revelation from God on what was going on. What was going on Michael?

Michael: Well, as I was saying on the previous part here I went to floor in my office and when God showed up and in His presence and I was just on the carpet and I just said, if you don’t tell me what happened to me and what you landed on me that day when I was five, I’m going to die on the carpet right now. It was very emotional, it was very power pact, it couldn’t have been any more. And instantly His response Sid was “Now you’re ready.” And so were they, and then I go wow, and wow, and so today’s later and I’m journaling Sid and I said God, I think I understand me, I think I have a pretty good idea of having some forty something years to think about this.

Sid: Excuse me, for those that aren’t aware of this explain what you mean by journaling.

Michael: Journaling is a process of slowing down for me writing in a notebook and that sounds really bad to men, for some reason Sid, it’s awful, they would rather go to marriage counsel than journal frankly. And people laugh at that because you know, it’s kind of the worse thing that you could tell guys, let’s go get marriage counseling, but journaling is actually worse thing for a guy but it is the single most powerful thing that a guy can do woman, because most of us run at 10,000 RPMs and this is what I teach at my seminar. Most of us run at 10,000 rpm and we can hear God’s voice at 500 and the only way, because I’m a type A; get it done yesterday, going down the highway with my hair on fire and the top down type of guy; is that I have to journal. If I journal, I go down to 500 rpm and His voice just flows, sometimes, it’s ten minutes, sometimes it’s two hours. But, I hear very clearly.

Sid: Now, if you didn’t journal do you think that you would miss a lot of what God is saying?

Michael: I’d miss most of it.

Sid: Well, I think you’re speaking to a lot of men right now and a few women too. But okay, what happened next, what did you journal?

Michael: I’m journaling and I was saying I think I know who I am, and what’s happening here but who are they? And I’ll give you as direct quote as I can recall, He said, “Mike, they is everyone.” And the Heavenlies have shifted and the battle has expediently expanded and there is now no more middle ground, none. I think that that’s a direct quote right out of the book and that’s what I wrote on my journal. But basically He called me and then He told me…

Sid: Give me the exact statement that it started with that God spoke to you.

Michael: “Now, you’re ready, and so are they.

Sid: And again, who is they?

Michael: And then I said God, “Who is they, in my journaling a few days later, “And He said, they is everyone. The Heavenlies have shifted and the battle has expediential expanded and there is now no more middle ground, none. And He began to show me this battle plan and I just wrote it down. And the seminar and book and everything was a result of that, “Go Win Every Battle.” And He gave me graphic, the gladiator shield with the Star of David in the middle which you’ll see in the DVD and you’ll see it in the book. I had professionals in the industry tell me that they have seen 10,000; 15,000 of these and called framework Sid, and that’s when people see it and they can’t forget it. They say that it’s the best framework that they have ever seen and I just tell them, I wish I had thought of it, I just wrote it down and hired the best people in the world to create it.

Sid: Now, what type of feedback are you getting from people that are reading your book or watching this DVD?

Michael: Well, it’s very strong, it’s you can’t read the book or watch the DVD without impact, pretty math have changed, it answers a lot of fundamental questions on why things aren’t working for most people I know things are not working as well as they want. And for a lot of people they don’t win every battle, they don’t win any battles. And they’re tired of not winning, they want to win, they want to know how to win, because I always tell them, if you’re not winning there is a reason, it’s not just an accident. There are reasons behind everything, if you don’t have the right battle plan you can’t win.

Sid: Okay, did He show you anything else that encounter when you found out what went on when you were age five?

Michael: Not at that time, it wasn’t until later when my foot stepped on the stage at the “Win Every Battle I’ve Experienced” in January.

Sid: And what happened?

Michael: Well, I was very, you know I had never done this before, I’ve done a lot of public speaking and been in front of a lot of big clients in the world but I’ve never spoken to 640 people on something that I have never spoken on publically before. I was a little bit nervous and as always there are people that have known you since you were a kid, and they don’t necessarily want you to succeed or their jealous or whatever, it’s the real world that we live in. But when I walked into the room, and then I stepped a flight of stairs on to the stage when my foot touched the stage time stood still again. Not for very long, for about ten or fifteen seconds it seemed like, but God said, Mike this is one of the places that I took you when you were five and there are many more all over the world. Wow, could you image Sid, what that does to your confidence?

Sid: You were at the right place at the right time obviously.

Michael: Yeah, He wanted to see Sid, if I would do it? Will you do this Mike, I put you in peculation and hibernation for forty something years to temper you for this moment; and I’m so proud that you did it; but some people won’t. So here you are and so bam I’m on the stage and there is a revelation of “Mike this is one of the places that I took you, when you were five years old, forty something years ago and there are many more.”

Sid: So, that must have been quite a speech you gave, a lecture.

Michael: Well, it was divinely inspired, I mean the anointing as you well know and your listeners when you are anointed the power is unlimited, it’s unlimited and it tailor makes your message to every ear in the audience. Everybody heard something different, it was amazing.

Sid: And God then told you what He did, about this mantle that He had put on you.

Michael: Yes, He did. He said, Mike I put a mantle of leadership on you and when you were five years old, I chose you, when you worshiped Me when you were five, I literally couldn’t stay away from you. Which is Sid, a lesson to all of us, the power of praise, despite our circumstances, when we begin to praise the Lord, that is the worse possible thing to happen to the enemy.

Sid: And most believers do not understand that simple thing that you just explained what happens when we worship, because many of us worship, worship, worship and we don’t see anything happening, but in the invisible world, what is happening when someone worships God?

Michael: Well, let me give you a quick story, it is so quick, I have a barn with surround sound in it and I go back there and I worship everyday and I also work out there and I journal there. Well, about thirty days before this first live experience, something jumped on my back the size of Texas, and when you live in Oklahoma and you say something the size of Texas, it doesn’t get any bigger than that. It was bad to the bone, it was black, it was dark and it wanted to kill me. And it sure as heck didn’t want to be on that stage thirty days later. And so I made my way to the barn and I had to concentrate on every step just one step of a time to get to the barn. It was so oppressive, never had I been under attack, nothing, not even a fraction. I made it to the barn, I turned the praise music up, way up and I did something I never done. And I tell people if you want to go someplace that you have never been, you have to do things you’ve never done. So I took my own medicine I cranked up the praise music and I walked around the barn and I did something for you know a pretty conservative businessman, I did something really radical and I raised my hands in the air and I started praising the Lord, and I said “God, You are so good to me, You are just fantastic and I just for an hour, I battled like that. And at about an hour whatever it was I could feel it snap and it left; and it has not come back.

Sid: Well, you just telling me that story, the presence of God is flooding this studio. Image what happened to that demon, he couldn’t take the heat.

Michael: No, he tried, he hung on for dear life, and he figured out that I wasn’t going to stop and I was cranking it higher and higher because I knew I was bearing down on him, Sid I got to repeat, I’m a businessman, I didn’t go to seminary, I’m in business and I can’t afford to make mistakes. I make big decisions every day, everyone of my decision has to be correct or I’m in trouble and I can only rely upon Him. I went to law school I’m fairly smart, but my wisdom is finite I have to have His.

Sid: Well, you book is loaded with wisdom, it really is although many of the things that you talk about are so simple, it’s like when you talk about praise, when you even mention journaling, there’s almost an anointing for people to want to do it. Has anyone ever told you that?

Michael: Yeah, they have, I’ve trained, I’ve counseled a lot of men here in Oklahoma and they typically call me when they have foundational problems and we stop there and we go into their personal life. But you know that once they start to journal, things get better very quickly and I call this the rule of thirty, in thirty days you look into your review mirror of life, the rearview mirror of life and you will not believe if you will start journaling. If you do that one thing, the rule of thirty, look in the rear view mirror thirty days later and you will see substantial measureable change. Just feel good, change. Change in your career, change in your business and change in your relationships.

Sid: You make almost a game guarantee in your book that some of the biggest corporations in the world have to be bailed out constantly by our federal government. If they just follow your principals they won’t have to be bailed out any more.

Michael: Sid, I give a corporate challenge two times in that book and basically it is this challenge; if any company in the world, preferably of name brand like General Motors, they are not anywhere out or the woods, if you watch the USA today and last week, they are going to executives.

Sid: What will happen if they follow your advice?

Michael: My advice to them is that they are history. Now, I do business in China and in Israel…

Sid: Hello. Sid Roth here with Joel Richardson. If you do not understand Islam, you will not understand the Antichrist. You will not understand End Times because when you understand Islam and you understand the scriptures, it is the clearest picture. And I can’t wait to find out from Joel Richardson because of his knowledge of the scriptures and because of his knowledge of Islam, what the Mark of the Beast really is. What is it, Joel?

Joel: Well what we need to understand first, Sid, is there’s been a lot of popular discussion in the church, past a hundred years, what is the Mark of the Beast. And we’ve heard people talk about things like a tattoo or a microchip. And it’s almost as if, you know, someone could just pin you down and give you this microchip, and if you get it, you’re going to Hell, because the Bible says, “Whoever receives the Mark of the Beast will be cast into the lake of fire.” But what we need to understand is that the Mark of the Beast in the Book of Revelation is intended to be the opposite of the mark of God, which is spoke of in the Book of Ezekiel, the prophet Ezekiel. And so the mark of God is that sign which marks the true believers. The Mark of the Beast is a creedal, it is a doctrinal, it is a statement of faith. It will entail a statement of faith. It will deny the Father, deny the Son. Now when we look at Islam we see that under Islamic theology, under a Caliphate, an Islamic government, there’s something called the Bay’ah. The Bay’ah is the pledge of allegiance or submission. Every Muslim is obligated, he is commanded. If there is a Caliph in place that’s in Islamic government, they need to make the pledge to the Caliph, and if they don’t do that, according to Islamic theology they are to be beheaded. Now Shariah Law…

Sid: A Christian or a Jew would never make an oath like that if they’re a real Christian, if they’re a real Jew.

Joel: Right. In other words, according to the Bible, people are cast into the lake of fire based on their acceptance or rejection of the Messiah, of Yeshua, of Jesus. And so the Mark of the Beast is not just, you know, some microchip or something like this. It entails a denial or a rejection of Jesus, the Jesus of the Bible. And so under Islamic law, obviously you have Shariah. And so you know, under Shariah Law if you reject the authority of the Caliphate you wouldn’t be able to buy or sell. When you look at Islam, it has all of the traits of the biblical system of the Antichrist. Now beyond this, you and I, we’ve talked about the anti-parallels between biblical and Islamic eschatology. With regard to the Mark of the Beast, what Islam teaches is that at the end of the age they have this character. They call him [Arabic]. That is the Beast from the Earth.

Sid: Revelations talk about him, too.

Joel: The Beast from the Earth in Revelation is the Antichrist and his empire. Now it’s symbolic. It’s not a real beast. It’s an empire. In Islamic theology, it is a real beast that comes up out of the earth. And according to their traditions it says that, “He will have with him the staff of Moses, that he will mark the faces of all true Muslim believers and their faces will glow,” and that will be an identifier that they are true believers. So according to Islamic theology, Muslims would desire to receive the Mark of the Beast from the earth. Again, that which the Bible says is bad and demonic, Islamic tradition has twisted and said, no, this is good. This is something to be yearned for.

Sid: At the same time, there is such a move of God among Muslims turning to Jesus. For instance, Joel, what’s going on in Iran?

Joel: Iran right now over the past 10 years has seen the most significant revival in the Islamic world in history. You have roughly 70 million citizens in Iran and reports coming out, and they’re varied, anywhere from one to as many as several million Iranians have converted to Christianity. They have become followers of Jesus because they’ve become so disenchanted with the radical regime, the radical Ayatollahs that have been reigning over them and crushing the life right out of them, that they have turned the scriptures.

Sid: Why do you believe that this is happening right now? Why are there so many Muslims turning to Jesus?

Joel: Sid, biblically throughout history, whenever the Lord uses a people to chastise or judge the earth, or His people, Israel, that’s exactly what He’s going to do with the Islamic. He is using his Islamic world as his rod of chastisement against an unrepentant world. But whenever the Lord uses a rod of chastisement, when He’s done, He breaks that rod over His knee. And He will judge the Islamic world after He has used them. But before He judges a people, He calls out a remnant. Sid, right now the Lord is calling a remnant of sincere, passionate believers out of the Islamic world. He’s calling them to Himself and He’s making them willing martyrs for Jesus.

Sid: And they’re going to be real believers. I mean, do the stuff the Bible says, for instance, I found out there’s an entire city in the Middle East of Muslims that have turned to Jesus. Tell me about them, Joel.

Joel: Yeah. There’s so many fantastic stories coming out from out of the missionary community. There’s one story, it’s a village and there was a missionary that was going to show the Jesus film in the village. When they showed the Jesus film, when they got to the point where he was being crucified, the village began to weep and wail, and then they said, “This man had been in our village for the past couple of weeks preaching to us.” They said, “That’s the guy that was here.” It was Jesus that had appeared to them, preaching to them. They saw the Jesus film. The whole village converted.

Sid: Did you hear that? The whole village became believers in Jesus. We really are in the end of the End Days. As a matter of fact, Jesus told us to look for certain signs, and Joel they’re happening. What’s going on in the realm of, say, earthquakes and tornadoes?

Joel: Jesus told us to watch all of these natural events as if they were birth pains. Birth pains increase in frequency and intensity. So I mean, we were just having record tornadoes here in the United States. We’ve had earthquakes destroying Japan, you know, all across the world. Some statistics. Let me just throw these out because these are what we are to watch for. In 2000 to 2008, there were 127 major earthquakes, 7.0 or higher. That’s one major earthquake every 28 days. Then in 2009, there were 17 major earthquakes, 7.0 or higher. That’s one every 26 days. A small increase. In 2010, there were 20. That’s one every 18 days. And then thus far, at the time of this recording, 2011, we’ve had what would amount to one every 13 days. That’s a double in the amount of massive earthquakes since the beginning of this millennium. They’re increasing. The Lord commanded us to watch these events as signs of His soon coming.

Sid: Do you believe that the things we’re talking about on this show, the emergence of Turkey, the emergence of the Mark of the Beast, the emergence of the Antichrist, the invasion of Jerusalem is going to happen in our lifetime?

Joel: Absolutely, absolutely. These things are happening. They’re happening quick. Believers are to watch for them. Much of the church today, Sid, has turned off the subject of the End Times. They’ve said this is irrelevant. Now is the time that the church needs to wake up, needs to start paying attention to things. The prophetic church, as you said at the beginning of the show, needs to understand the foundation, capital “P” prophecy throughout the scriptures as they try to and desire to speak with relevance and prophecy into the world. They need to understand the foundation. These things need to go hand in hand. It’s time for the church to return to biblical prophecy.

Sid: You do not know. You know we’re coming to the wrap-up. But you don’t know when your end is going to come. You don’t know when you’ll breathe your last breath. If there’s ever been a time to get right with God, if there’s ever been a time to know God, if there’s ever been a time to have your sins cleaned and be able to be a new creation by Jesus being your Lord and living inside of you, it’s now. Now.

Sid: My guest is red hot for the Messiah, if you were just wondering if we’re in the last of the last days, if we’re a few seconds before midnight, you won’t wonder anymore when you get a hold of these two CDs by my guest Chuck Missler called “Return of the Nephilim. Because this is information, it’s kind of like missing information that very few Christians have ever seen that helps you put the end times together in a much more significant fashion than I’ve ever been able to do before; it’s the subject that the world thinks is fringe or hoaxes, UFOs. But my guest was handpicked by God because he has such a credible background; he’s a recognized Bible scholar, been affiliated for many years with Calvary Chapel in Costa Mesa, California. He’s a Naval Academy graduate, Branch Chief of the Department of Guided Missiles, a CEO of six public corporations. Chuck there’s an area I said that we would get into today that again most people say you got to be a fringe person to even believe in it and it’s got to do with the abductions of aliens.

Chuck: Yeah, that’s probably the spookiest, but first of all the whole area of UFO’s is so full of nonsense and hoaxes and government cover-ups, it’s a very difficult thing to steer…

Sid: And I might add even with your scientific data and your investigative reporting the thing that makes it so exciting to me is that you tie this entire thing into Bible prophecy that’s been hidden from the church, it was available to the first church, but they haven’t heard about this until now.

Chuck: Yeah, pretty much so because even today the expositors that take it seriously, you know the early church you know Philo Alexandria, Justin Martyr, Hernandez all those guys, but when you get to modern times you still find G.H. Pemard, M.R. DeHahn, Gableline, Arthur W. Pink, Donald Barnhouse, Henry Morris, Muriel Unger, Donald Frundenbaum, Hal Lindsey, Chuck Smith, they will speak of these things but it is a tough area. But when you setting that aside when you get into the probably the freakiest part of this area, are these cases where people apparently report that they have been abducted in these vehicles. Now what’s so strange about this area is that this that is much more prevalent than most people have any idea, unless you are a professional in the consulting field because what happens is when people have these apparent experiences they generally want to hide them. They don’t want to admit it because they immediately it destroys their life, they become marked as fringe and so forth. This problem is so severe that they had a conference at MIT called “Close Encounters of the Fourth Kind,” and it was chaired by John Mack who is the head of physiatry for the Harvard Hospital and so he wrote a book on called “Abductions.” He is an MD prominent, well published doctor; he had apparently dealt with a 176 of these cases personally and they sponsored this conference which was primarily attended by physiologists and physiatrists who in their field of practice encounter people that have these stories are too bizarre to accept on the one hand and yet they have commonality and detail that’s disturbing. In fact John Max challenged to the conference was, “If what these people are saying is happening to them isn’t happening, what is?” And his point is these people have in common their above average in intelligence, they’ve had no prior physiatric history, they clearly have been subjected to some kind of trauma and the details of their story much of which is not published is in common. And so it’s a very very strange area and it’s an area that I’ve had only a couple of incidents with. Right now today, there are people on the search for people who express this having had this experience in which there are physical lesions. See in each one of these so called abduction episodes, what apparently happens is all kinds of intrusive medical experiments are performed. And it’s an area that; and the other thing it’s my tentative conjecture that everyone that has had this kind of involvement also had a prior occultic experience of some kind. And because I made on one of my radio broadcasts made the statement that “I didn’t believe that a Christian can be abducted,” if they are as demonic as I think they are, I think that a Christian has protection over that. Well, I got a call from a producer, so I can speak freely I won’t mention his name, but a Hollywood producer called me on the phone and I was quite startled because I don’t normally get those kinds of calls. And he says, “Chuck I heard you on the radio and I happen to know a lot about this area and your were tracking a 100% with me until you said that a Christian can’t be abducted and you need to investigate the Betty, I think the Franteson affair.” And I was so startled by the call I well start, but I did some homework. Well the affair he makes reference to is well documented; but it is a case where the person involved, even though they were a twenty year old, twenty year Spirit Filled Christian hadn’t had an abduction experience. But if you read her affidavit carefully she was invited and accepted the invitation. Technically not abduction, and the point that I make in most of my materials is if someone is a Christian, they should avoid these things; number one, not accept any invitations to participate in these kinds of things; they are demonic no matter how enticing they may seem and so I know that sounds pretty spooky, but this is for most of us fortunately this is fringe stuff we don’t encounter this every day. But for people that have had these encounters they are very traumatic, there very serious and they are very damaging, and we need to understand that. And one of the reasons this is so relevant, if we understand Christ’s remark in the Olivet discourse; “As the days of Noah were so shall the days of the coming of Son of man be.” That just underscores our need to recognize these things because they will be a sign of the end times. They’ll have eschatological implications; so if we’re correct we can expect them, UFO sightings will increase, that these experiences of abduction are going to multiply in our society and there are so many forces at work, this is not people that have these encounters try to protect their privacy and I don’t blame them, because if journalist find out it they just get mobbed. And I had a very very interesting encounter with a couple with a physiatrist that came to me after one of our talks and the net of it was that it was a very well documented situation. But I advised her, your husband’s here, your pastor’s here, I suggest you take this documentation, put it in a safe deposit box, protect it in that sense, but I would keep it a secret; no one else, because if the journalists find out about this, they’ll destroy your life; and wanting to publish books and all that sort of stuff and that was my counsel to them.

Sid: But do you know what I find so fascinating about all this because of the way my mind operates now that you’ve given me this missing link in you will, I’m fitting so many things together in end time Bible prophecy; But it appears as though that it was God’s intent to wipe out this breed of fallen angels that cohabited with women, that this new species if you will; that God really, now that my eyes are open, I see where God was trying to destroy them. And I often wondered why God wanted to wipe out all the members of certain tribes; there was reasons beyond the reasons.

Chuck: Exactly right, and to make a distinction between the high breds’ that result is which what God wanted to wipe out, with the fallen angels that caused it because the fallen angels were incarcerated and both Peter and Jude make reference to that and maybe Revelation also alludes to it. The point is that the angels that indulged in those things apparently have been incarcerated, but the hi-breds that resulted from their mischief was what was the target of the flood of Noah was; verse 9 of Genesis 6 points out that the ones that, Noah and his family were distinctive in that they, their genealogies were not contaminated by these goings on. Well, Joshua was instructed when they enter the land to wipe out certain, four specific tribes and all men, women and children. That as a New Testament reader you’re shocked because you don’t recognize what’s behind the scenes here is a gene pool problem that God is dealing with. All of these things were in effect Satan’s attack on the advent of the Messiah and these maneuvers if you will, were designed to nullify Satan’s attempt to contaminate the human geno. And so it’s a strange area the on the face of it sounds pretty fringy, but it turns out much as it surprised me to realize that unless you really understand Genesis 6 carefully a lot of the Old Testament won’t make sense and it certainly several of the key passages of the…

Sid: Now if Joshua would had wiped them out, we wouldn’t have had this problem today!

Chuck: Well not only that, there were certain places where he failed to do that, and one is a place called Bishan, which today is known as the Golan Heights. The other one is the region that we call what the worldly press calls the West Bank and the other place is the place called Gaza. And what’s fascinating is the very places that today are still in dispute are the same place; if you do a study of the book of Judges and do it with a map, you’ll discover those places where they failed to do what God told them to do are places even to this day are the pockets of the contest in Israel today. It’s a very very strange panorama.

Sid: I’m just curious, I hear you speaking in great detail and this teaching here is invaluable to put together end times “The Return of the Nephilim.” ….why aren’t more people teaching on this?

Chuck: Well, because first of all there is a, I’ve discovered in my own exposition that people who really take the Bible seriously are in the minority. The tragedy of today’s pulpits is most pastors really haven’t learned their Bible. They have learned a lot of things…

Sid: You do such line upon line study of the Bible and this particular series…