As I understand it, the main reason for Brexiteers for wanting to leave the EU, is to bring back "control" to this country and this government, making it "sovereign" again. To what extent these objectives are realistic is debatable.

What I have not heard, however, is any argument that leaving the EU will be financially beneficial for us. "We're better off economically out of the EU" is not a an argument I've (a) seen anyone support (b) heard by reputable bodies supporting.

Most Brexiteers I believe, want to leave the EU at any cost. So please don't try and fool me that leaving the EU will be positive for the economy.

And if that ain't a definitive enough point, 'sovereignty' itself as a 'reason' for Brexit was a deliberately misleading concept bandied about by the Leave campaigns, and swallowed wholeheartedly by the jingoists who make up the bulk of their followers.

Whatever 'sovereignty' we regain from cutting our economic ties, unions & markets with the EU will be reinstated to an almost-certainly greater extent with every single deal we try and make with other countries and with the EU itself - with every deal you make, you effectively lose some control over what you 'want' for yourself.

Even having to trade on WTO terms - which is what a 'hard one' would likely involve - would be a massive 'loss' of our 'sovereignty'.

At least with the EU, we agreed these terms for our mutual benefit, and the policy controls we handed over to them we did so voluntarily, again to our mutual benefit. That is what a trade deal is - we agree to be bound by mutual rules for our ultimate benefit. Folk can call that 'losing your sovereignty' if they really want the comfort of their glibbisms.

What we currently have with the EU will be as nothing compared to the shafting the rest of the world will be lining up to give our isolated and weakened country afterwards. And no amount of shouting "Don't you know who we are?!" is going to help.

Many EU countries are unhappy with the EU. Did you all think the UK alone was unhappy the way the EU dictates the way forward ?
Sovereign ? Tell us exactly how we have always been sovereign DA (since joining the EEC/EU ) Any areas where we still have our true sovereignty ?

Sovereign ? Tell us exactly how we have always been sovereign DA (since joining the EEC/EU ) Any areas where we still have our true sovereignty ?

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Sovereignty is not an all-or-nothing concept. We are and have remained "sovereign" but everytime we agree a deal with another country we cede some level of sovereignty. Sure we'll get some sovereignty back when we leave the EU, only to cede it again when we make trade deals with other countries.

I wouldn't vote for labour until brexit is well over with as I think we need a stable conservative government to deal with world trade , labour is a bit lost at the moment , nice to see his passionate speech the other day , all round good guy

Glad we are leaving the EU.
We never voted for it, so it was undemocratic.
Labour Party still has idiot Jeremy leading them, so they won't improve thankfully.
Let us just all get on with supporting Brexit and become a more individual, forward thinking nation, rather than allowing us to be a money box for the EU.

Let us just all get on with supporting Brexit and become a more individual, forward thinking nation, rather than allowing us to be a money box for the EU.

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Sadly, there are some on here that actually seem to hate being British. They have absolutely no chance of “ getting behind this country”. What they do have is this peculiar trait of wanting the U.K. to pay even more into EU coffers. No doubt influenced by some dreamt up scheme in their neighbourhood, funded by the EU. ( not realising that whatever funding the EU gave us back out of our contributions for the scheme, has to be matched equally by our own government.) In effect, the EU telling us how to spend our own money.
One has to assume a lot of these people live in the middle of a forest, but up to now haven’t seen any trees.