Posted by: Gjeebes 21.Apr.2019, 10:34 AM

And yet they are still more highly qualified than the average heavily "educated" Meatball.

Posted by: nativeswedishengineer 21.Apr.2019, 10:44 AM

QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 21.Apr.2019, 11:34 AM)

And yet they are still more highly qualified than the average heavily "educated" Meatball.

Right, as we can all see with all the glorious technical achivements reached by India.

Posted by: nativeswedishengineer 21.Apr.2019, 11:50 AM

QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 21.Apr.2019, 11:34 AM)

And yet they are still more highly qualified than the average heavily "educated" Meatball.

And lets not forget the one and only time India participated in PISA, where they outcompeted titans of education, such as kyrgyzstan. Oh no wait, that was the only country that placed below India.

Posted by: Gjeebes 22.Apr.2019, 07:57 AM

Haha, I just had a laugh thinking about how Meatballia would fare with a population the size of India's; 1.34 billion.

The Meatballs can't even manage to handle a population the size of 3 large cities.

I mean WOW...can anyone imagine the mess Meatballia would be with 1.34 billion Meatballs?

Posted by: nativeswedishengineer 22.Apr.2019, 08:32 AM

QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 22.Apr.2019, 08:57 AM)

Haha, I just had a laugh thinking about how Meatballia would fare with a population the size of India's; 1.34 billion.

The Meatballs can't even manage to handle a population the size of 3 large cities.

I mean WOW...can anyone imagine the mess Meatballia would be with 1.34 billion Meatballs?

So, as usual. No arugment regarding the issue at hand.

Posted by: gsurya 23.Apr.2019, 12:06 PM

Agree, education quality in most Indian education institutions is pathetic, only a handful of them are world class. China is a far ahead in comparison.

Posted by: nativeswedishengineer 23.Apr.2019, 02:02 PM

QUOTE (gsurya @ 23.Apr.2019, 01:06 PM)

Agree, education quality in most Indian education institutions is pathetic, only a handful of them are world class. China is a far ahead in comparison.

So why is Sweden flooded with "superior world-class" indian, bangladeshi and pakistani "engineers" then and not chineese? Or even south korean.

Posted by: gsurya 23.Apr.2019, 04:08 PM

QUOTE (nativeswedishengineer @ 23.Apr.2019, 01:02 PM)

So why is Sweden flooded with "superior world-class" indian, bangladeshi and pakistani "engineers" then and not chineese? Or even south korean.

Because those 10% privileged Indians who go to much better institutions in India are still of top quality and in sufficient volume to serve the world.

That is why India tops in software services sector, but is poor at developing products. Sweden companies need resources badly and hence look forward to us Indians to fill that gap.

Posted by: nativeswedishengineer 23.Apr.2019, 05:24 PM

QUOTE (gsurya @ 23.Apr.2019, 05:08 PM)

Because those 10% privileged Indians who go to much better institutions in India are still of top quality and in sufficient volume to serve the world.

That is why India tops in software services sector, but is poor at developing products. Sweden companies need resources badly and hence look forward to us Indians to fill that gap.

Yeah, you keep telling yourselves that you are here because you are "world class". Not even all the seats at the IITs together add up to the number of work visas issued to indian programmers to Sweden, and then we are not taking any other country in the world in consideration. The only two reasons you are here are because you are cheap and that indian hiring managers only hire other indians, as we have seen time and time again with the lawsuits brought on against TCS, Infosys, WiPRO and Cognizant.

Posted by: nativeswedishengineer 23.Apr.2019, 05:52 PM

QUOTE (gsurya @ 23.Apr.2019, 05:08 PM)

Because those 10% privileged Indians who go to much better institutions in India are still of top quality and in sufficient volume to serve the world.

That is why India tops in software services sector, but is poor at developing products. Sweden companies need resources badly and hence look forward to us Indians to fill that gap.

Also, we had indian exchange students when I went to uni (one of the good unis on top of that). Lets just say, we were not impressed with them.

Posted by: Gjeebes 23.Apr.2019, 06:43 PM

No one cares who you are impressed with.

And you missed the main reasons why:

1) Wages and other employee costs are RIDICULOUS in the Greasy Meatball. A Meatball with zero experience gets too high a wage.

2) Indians and the like, are generally not as spoiled as the Meatballian types. The work ethic is generally good, enthusiasm is good, whereas entitled snowflake Sven, needs his mommy to tie his shoelaces and can't wait for the next coffee break.

3) And lastly, Swedes are "tight", exploitative, and cheapskates, in my estimation. And since that ain't gonna change anytime soon, you can bet, you will continue to hear about "world-class" no ones working for fleeting start-ups, that crash faster than a Swede trying to concentrate on, well, anything.

Posted by: nativeswedishengineer 23.Apr.2019, 06:51 PM

QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 23.Apr.2019, 07:43 PM)

No one cares who you are impressed with.

And you missed the main reasons why:

1) Wages and other employee costs are RIDICULOUS in the Greasy Meatball. A Meatball with zero experience gets too high a wage.

2) Indians and the like, are generally not as spoiled as the Meatballian types. The work ethic is generally good, enthusiasm is good, whereas entitled snowflake Sven, needs his mommy to tie his shoelaces and can't wait for the next coffee break.

3) And lastly, Swedes are "tight", exploitative, and cheapskates, in my estimation. And since that ain't gonna change anytime soon, you can bet, you will continue to hear about "world-class" no ones working for fleeting start-ups, that crash faster than a Swede trying to concentrate on, well, anything.

So no one cares, you say. Yet you have to write a reply. Nothing more needs to be said in that regard.

1) And yet in comparison to what even a newly graduated engineer earns on the continent swedish wages are a joke.

2) Yes, we have all heard about the superior work ethic of indians.

3) I don't effin believe it. We agree on something, I have to go out and examine the thermodynamic properties of hell and the aerodynamic properties of pigs. The indians are here because they are cheaper, skill is no deciding factor.

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 23.Apr.2019, 08:14 PM

QUOTE (nativeswedishengineer @ 23.Apr.2019, 07:51 PM)

So no one cares, you say. Yet you have to write a reply. Nothing more needs to be said in that regard.

1) And yet in comparison to what even a newly graduated engineer earns on the continent swedish wages are a joke.

2) Yes, we have all heard about the superior work ethic of indians.

3) I don't effin believe it. We agree on something, I have to go out and examine the thermodynamic properties of hell and the aerodynamic properties of pigs. The indians are here because they are cheaper, skill is no deciding factor.

I think the real question is... if someone from India can work at whatever wage your raise your nose to, be happy with it, support themselves and a family, as many have families too, why can’t you be happy and support yourself at that same wage? You have very minimal, if any, school loans to pay, so what are you complaining about?

And also... why do you believe Swedish programmers software engineers whatever are better?

And why would an employer want someone who complains about money when what they get is obviously plenty?

I don’t know but what it sounds like is that Swedish engineers such as yourself care about a certain status and Indian engineers care about moving solutions forward while working as a team.

Who would you choose? Expensive and unreliable or cheaper and solid?

You are insulting to employers thinking they choose all willy nilly, on a whim, who to employ and help get a work permit for.

I never hear of many Swedish computer engineer whiz kids being head hunted by huge tech firms in say Silicon Valley, do you? Sweden is definitely not known as a hotbed of elite engineers. Their top schools are not even in top 50 of the world.

Posted by: nativeswedishengineer 23.Apr.2019, 08:45 PM

QUOTE (Saywhatwhat @ 23.Apr.2019, 09:14 PM)

I think the real question is... if someone from India can work at whatever wage your raise your nose to, be happy with it, support themselves and a family, as many have families too, why can’t you be happy and support yourself at that same wage? You have very minimal, if any, school loans to pay, so what are you complaining about?

And also... why do you believe Swedish programmers software engineers whatever are better?

And why would an employer want someone who complains about money when what they get is obviously plenty?

I don’t know but what it sounds like is that Swedish engineers such as yourself care about a certain status and Indian engineers care about moving solutions forward while working as a team.

Who would you choose? Expensive and unreliable or cheaper and solid?

You are insulting to employers thinking they choose all willy nilly, on a whim, who to employ and help get a work permit for.

I never hear of many Swedish computer engineer whiz kids being head hunted by huge tech firms in say Silicon Valley, do you? Sweden is definitely not known as a hotbed of elite engineers. Their top schools are not even in top 50 of the world.

Lots of questions. Lets start with the first one. Good question, why do I need to earn 15x the average national wage to get a work permit to India then? Why does India not apply the same thing?

So, while Sweden might be a small fish in the global game. It has India, Pakistan and Bangladesh so badly beaten it isn't even funny.

Posted by: gsurya 24.Apr.2019, 07:18 AM

Agree, Lund university is fantastic, I hope I am lucky enough to a Masters or PhD there some day.

The University is also desperately wooing students from India, also they dont have enough "native Swedes" to keep them going.

And it is no secret that India, China, Bangladesh etc are poor and hence cost-of-living and wages are lower there. Why on earth do you think that is some kind of insult? It is just a sperm lottery that you were born in Sweden, not in India

Every single major Swedish manufacturing or services company have a plant or backoffice in these countries - for the same reason.

If they didnt, they would close down and Swedish customers would pay high prices for just about everything. So globalization and migration is a win-win for all, only some losers whine about it.

Posted by: nativeswedishengineer 24.Apr.2019, 10:07 AM

QUOTE (gsurya @ 24.Apr.2019, 08:18 AM)

Agree, Lund university is fantastic, I hope I am lucky enough to a Masters or PhD there some day.

The University is also desperately wooing students from India, also they dont have enough "native Swedes" to keep them going.

And it is no secret that India, China, Bangladesh etc are poor and hence cost-of-living and wages are lower there. Why on earth do you think that is some kind of insult? It is just a sperm lottery that you were born in Sweden, not in India

Every single major Swedish manufacturing or services company have a plant or backoffice in these countries - for the same reason.

If they didnt, they would close down and Swedish customers would pay high prices for just about everything. So globalization and migration is a win-win for all, only some losers whine about it.

Globalization and migration a win-win for everyone you say? So why does India require me to make $25000 per year before I am allowed a work visa there then? Why does India have the Phased Manufacturing Programme?

And I am tired of hearing about how India is a nation of prodigies hindered by poverty. Look as South Korea in contrast, left as rubble after the korean war.

Posted by: Bsmith 24.Apr.2019, 12:07 PM

QUOTE (nativeswedishengineer @ 24.Apr.2019, 09:07 AM)

And I am tired of hearing about how India is a nation of prodigies hindered by poverty.

What came first, the chicken or the egg?

Posted by: gsurya 25.Apr.2019, 06:38 AM

Of course India has not done well compared to many other countries, only *nationalists* are afraid / ashamed to admit their country has faults or point to other worse ones as whatboutism.

India should have done much better since Independence but we have been held back by religious / caste divisions, poor governance and corruption.

That is why I am so harsh on racist bigoted SweNazis in my current country of residence, they are a bane to society anywhere in the world.

Posted by: nativeswedishengineer 25.Apr.2019, 07:03 AM

QUOTE (gsurya @ 25.Apr.2019, 07:38 AM)

Of course India has not done well compared to many other countries, only *nationalists* are afraid / ashamed to admit their country has faults or point to other worse ones as whatboutism.

India should have done much better since Independence but we have been held back by religious / caste divisions, poor governance and corruption.

That is why I am so harsh on racist bigoted SweNazis in my current country of residence, they are a bane to society anywhere in the world.

You are free to leave at anytime. In fact there are lots of us who are fed up with junior positions requiring 5+ years of experience, and seeing how corporations would rather bring in foreign workers from totally different cultures than give a native a chance. All the while screaming about the importance of "cultural fit".