Avoice

Auntydem - what you don't realize is the expansion is not being done primarily for the citizens of this country. They are courting the global health care needs people. You may create 15,000 new healthcare workers but not treating U.S. citizens.

Avoice

Sven, first he is not a minority, he is an American just like you and me. As to his speeches, depends on who he is talking to - his special interests, not to the American people. As far as being sincere, that only is shown as to who he picks as "winners" and ignore or forget about the rest. As to ties, you sure went out on the limb with that one asI will have to remember that qualification the next time I vote - NOT. As far as Cruz is concerned, you have to admire him as to spoke to his principles, I said his principles, not that of others. But then again you lump anybody and everybody together that disagrees with you.

Avoice

R2P - your post gave one a thought. President Obama has said he has his finger on the pulse of the nation on this topic. One can deduce (somewhat honestly), he mean't his index finger but apparently for 60%+ he obviously mean't his middle finger.

Avoice

Auntydem - The Mayo Expansion, dubbed "Destination Medical Center' is nothing more than an expansion of it's global medical business(they bring cash). I have heard of a cancer tretment center developed in Oklahoma City several years ago, which has become a renowned cancer treatment center, treating 45% of it's patients from outside the USA - mainly Canadians and foreigners who must wait for their health facilities to initiate treatment.

Avoice

Auntydem posted - "Insurance companies will win until their is single payer national insurance.". My prediction - Insurance companies will not win because this ACA plan will flounder, collapse, and fail only to be resurrected by the Dems to be a single payer system rolling Medicare and ACA into one giant government deficit laden program. Medicaid will not be included as that will be shifted to the states fully completing the current requirements of the ACA. Since Medicaid will be directed to state obligations, the Feds will save money to spend otherwise.

Avoice

Progressives have repeatedly said "it is the law of the land".In this nation, the rule of law is supposed to be king, not President Obama. Unfortunately, people in Washington look the other way, when President Obama grabs more authority than the Constitution allows. He handed out 1,472 waivers exempting certain unions and employers from the earliest provisions of Obamacare, though nothing in the law permitted it. Then he delayed the employer mandate, though the law states that it will take effect, January 1, 2014. That lawless move shifts billions of dollars in insurance costs from employers onto taxpayers. Now President Obama is signaling that he will arrange for taxpayer-funded subsidies for lawmakers and staff. That’s a clear violation of the law. The House of Representatives must appropriate any funds to cover such expenditures or subsidies.

Auntydem

If you are fortunate to have health insurance from your employer, browse through he covered items and you'll find many items you are covered for but, thank God, have never used. And single men will find prenatal care and mammograms are covered, and middle aged women will find prostate issues covered. It's the nature of group policies; made possible because of pooling large groups of people. Do insurance companies win again? Sure. ACA is a market-based GOP backed plan, until Obama happened. Insurance companies will win until their is single payer national insurance.

Auntydem

R2P - On the other hand one could say the expansion of the Mayo Clinic proves the opposite?

Cleveland Clinic announced a 5-6% cut to their $6 billion budget. They said in fact "This is not doomsday for the clinic. We're still growing — we're still hiring" and that they are "working to reduce the number of procedures its staff performs, since in the current system "physicians are rewarded to do more, not to do the right thing for the patient." And they plan a new focus on chronic diseases, which are an increasingly important and costly area for treatment.

Integrity

I will wait to judge the cake. But, seeing some of the ingredients going into the cake makes me pretty nervous. Here's a great argumentative point: why is maternity care an "essential benefit"? I don't need it as I'm a male. Many women don't need it because they're older or had procedures. It's just easier to make us all have it. So, who wins there...the insurance companies again!! Getting a premium for a service they will never have to provide. Oh, unless you think they added all those "essential coverages" without changing their premiums...

Reason2Puke

The Cleveland Clinic just announced that they will cut 1,000 jobs directly due to the financial impact of Obamacare. These will be mostly housekeeping and dietary staff, maintenance and low level aides.

Meanwhile, a partner at a D.C. area law firm that specializes in lobbying in the healthcare sector is putting new hardwood floors in his mansion with the $100,000 bonus he received for getting John McLame and Bytch McConnell to shut up Ted Cruz.

That is how Obamacare actually works. But why do you care Auntydem, the law makes you feel better about yourself. For now anyway.

The indisputable truth is that there is a higher level of power and money flowing through Washington, D.C. now than at any other time in our history. Obamacare is putting that situation on steroids.

Reason2Puke

The elimination of all limits. Now there is the true definition of cost control. Oh wait, no, that's not it, we care about, I mean, it will, umm, well, sort of like, just shut up and accept it, he is an historic president and everything he does is cool.