shutdown. Seven days in and neither side is budges. I spoke with house speaker john boehner yesterday on "this week." He was defiant on the shutdown and the serious subject of the debt limit. The nation's credit is at risk because of the administration's refusal to sit down and have a conversation. They're saying it's because of your refuse toll pass a clean debt limit. We're not going pass a clean debt limit increase. I told the president. The votes are not in the house. When is this going to end? If I knew, I would tell you. Let's see if we can get answer from jon karl. You saw the defiance. Defiance from the white house side as well. Markets reacting badly. Is there anything going on behind the scenes? Reporter: I have been in touch with both sides this morning. There is absolutely nothing going on. No meetings planned. No sign of give. A to adviser to the president told me, we'll under no circumstances pay ransom for them to lift the debt ceiling. Not one eiota of movement from the white house. They're saying the congress has to do their job. What is the more optimistic take? Reporter: There's not a lot of cause for optimism. It is such a bad potential scenario here that it will not happen because both sides know it would be cat straastrophiccatastrophic. I think they somehow come to an agreement to raise the debt limit even if the shutdown continues. We're going to begin with the question surrounding an embarrassing airport security

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