djw47 wrote:there are sections which have enough space on the left to ride on and keep out of the lane, trust me they're there and have been for at least since they put in the crash barriers, and there are areas where it's narrow and not possible!

Having just ridden up the 1 in 20 today for the first time since I got back from Europe (and probably the first time since about the same time last year), I see there are new crash barriers. Very new as I don't recall seeing them ever before, so probably less than a year old. And there are sections of sealed shoulder. A few points about this 'cycling facility':

1. They are intermittent and not overly wide. Some sections do not extend right to the crash barrier - half sealed and half loose gravel2. You can barely see the loose gravel as the sealed shoulder is covered (between 50% and 110%) with sticks, bark, leaves, branches, and any other debris. Obviously there is no sweeping program.3. The sealed surface is the usual design - rougher than the road surface and fairly bumpy4. Sealed shoulder only on the climb, nothing at all on the descent. Just as well really as the last thing I want when descending at 40-45kmh is to have motorists expecting me to ride way off to the left. I'll take all the space I need thank you very much.

So in conclusion I'd rate this sealed shoulder, as a 'cycling facility', to be a fail. I won't be using it, except in an emergency.

As a comparison for what could be done, Adelaide has a real cycling facility on the road into the hills, Mt Barker Rd. It looks like this. They don't have such a deep forest there with so many trees dropping bark and branches, but still it has taken a different outlook on cycling to achieve this.

il padrone wrote:....So in conclusion I'd rate this sealed shoulder, as a 'cycling facility', to be a fail. I won't be using it, except in an emergency.

As these road safety improvements were most likely not undertaken as a cycling facility, any rating as such is irrelevant. Use as much of the road as you like - I find a reasonable combination of assertiveness and courtesy works fine.

yarravalleyplodder wrote:would be a bit hard to turn the 1 in 20 into that

cyclotaur wrote:And that Adelaide comparison is 'apples and ornages'.

For sure, it would be a challenge to build such a lane on much of the 1 in 20 (although there is actually room for one on much of the climb). I too don't really regard it as necessary. My point is about the attitudes involved towards making provision for cyclists, on what is in both cases an outer suburban location. And the attitudes that cyclists should use such a sub-standard sealed shoulder as a psuedo-bike lane to get out of the way of the annointed ones, the motorists

Someone in Adelaide cares a bit about bicycles in the hills. No-one much in the Yarra Ranges seems to.

A pertinent point - these new safety barriers are turning into a great bark and kindling trap. If this is what they're like after just one year, I wonder what sort of a fire hazard and skid-pan they'll be after 5-10 years

well another morning out in the dandenongs, a bit more traffic out & about but no issues to report, everyone gave me a wide berth and waited until it was safe to pass.

The only issues I had today was me forgetting to hit start on the garmin after a short break robbing myself of a few km's and climbing meters and then a flat on the way down into montrose. Used Co2 for the first time and wow how easy is that.

How was the wind today? I rode my last threepeat of Mt Donna Buang yesterday before I leave for the States. Numerous recently cleared trees from across the road, plus much covered by bark and branches made the descent especially challenging. Biggest surprise though was passing a recently squashed ~1m long snake... It's only August!

djw47 wrote:there are sections which have enough space on the left to ride on and keep out of the lane, trust me they're there and have been for at least since they put in the crash barriers, and there are areas where it's narrow and not possible!

Having just ridden up the 1 in 20 today for the first time since I got back from Europe (and probably the first time since about the same time last year), I see there are new crash barriers. Very new as I don't recall seeing them ever before, so probably less than a year old. And there are sections of sealed shoulder. A few points about this 'cycling facility':

1. They are intermittent and not overly wide. Some sections do not extend right to the crash barrier - half sealed and half loose gravel2. You can barely see the loose gravel as the sealed shoulder is covered (between 50% and 110%) with sticks, bark, leaves, branches, and any other debris. Obviously there is no sweeping program.3. The sealed surface is the usual design - rougher than the road surface and fairly bumpy4. Sealed shoulder only on the climb, nothing at all on the descent. Just as well really as the last thing I want when descending at 40-45kmh is to have motorists expecting me to ride way off to the left. I'll take all the space I need thank you very much.

So in conclusion I'd rate this sealed shoulder, as a 'cycling facility', to be a fail. I won't be using it, except in an emergency.

As a comparison for what could be done, Adelaide has a real cycling facility on the road into the hills, Mt Barker Rd. It looks like this. They don't have such a deep forest there with so many trees dropping bark and branches, but still it has taken a different outlook on cycling to achieve this.

I don't believe the hard shoulders were ever there for the purposes of cycling on, but they do provide space to move over if you're holding up traffic which was why I mentioned it in the first place. I rode up last week and I'd say that for about 35-40% of the length of the hill you can move over if needs be (on the ascent). I take your point about the twigs and leaves but if you use it as a quick hop off to let traffic past, it's really not a problem and I have seen it cleared out albeit rarely - might be worth contacting the council to advise.

I think the solution in Adelaide would be fantastic but I doubt there's room for something as extravagant in the Dandies and it would likely become a gutter for all those branches!

il padrone wrote:Having just ridden up the 1 in 20 today for the first time since I got back from Europe (and probably the first time since about the same time last year), I see there are new crash barriers. Very new as I don't recall seeing them ever before, so probably less than a year old. And there are sections of sealed shoulder.

il padrone wrote:[snip]Someone in Adelaide cares a bit about bicycles in the hills. No-one much in the Yarra Ranges seems to.

A pertinent point - these new safety barriers are turning into a great bark and kindling trap. If this is what they're like after just one year, I wonder what sort of a fire hazard and skid-pan they'll be after 5-10 years [/snip]

As a resident of the Yarra Ranges, I can tell you it's not just cyclists that don't rate with the Shire. It's pretty much everybody.

il padrone wrote:[snip]Someone in Adelaide cares a bit about bicycles in the hills. No-one much in the Yarra Ranges seems to.

A pertinent point - these new safety barriers are turning into a great bark and kindling trap. If this is what they're like after just one year, I wonder what sort of a fire hazard and skid-pan they'll be after 5-10 years [/snip]

As a resident of the Yarra Ranges, I can tell you it's not just cyclists that don't rate with the Shire. It's pretty much everybody.

yep I would second that, we are just there to pay the rates, heaven forbid if we ask for services in return

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