It's a good idea. Some commenters think they can say whatever they want since they are anonymous.

I would agree that it seems like it might help. Perhaps we'll discuss it for future revisions of our rules.

Dan

You should define personal attacks.Is calling someone who tells lies a liar a personal attack?

From my experience, yes. I have received a board warning for exactly that.

I haven't called anyone a liar, because I would think that would fall under name calling at the least. However, I realize commenters have to come armed and ready when they log in, because a lot of people say a lot worse than that. And it's always a temptation to let fly.

Actually, I haven't had much problem with that one, just the one instance.Try getting any definition on "taunting"... if I had a dollar for every board warning I've received for that completely subjective violation, I'd go out for a steak dinner.

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usfs411 wrote:Thanks for "infringing" on my freedom of speech. The Denver Post is worse than 9 News. No wonder newspapers are going the way of the DoDo

Freedom of speech doesn't necessarily give you the 'freedom' to say whatever you want.

Actually, Freedem of speech, pretty much does give you the right to say whatever you want. However, it needs to be honest and it needs to be in public and you are responsible for your actions (sadly, a lot of that has been removed these days).

On somebodies private areas, such as this blog, 1st amendments do NOT extend to here. This is ran only as a service by the post. As such, the Post sets the rules and decides who says what. And the reason for the newspapers disappearing is because they have not figured out how to deal with the internet. Sadly, they are headed in the wrong direction for the most part. Google has it right.

The post could not only survive, but thrive, but they are also headed down the wrong avenue. But, this is a free nation and they are free to do what they want.

“... 1% of America funds almost 99% of the cost of political campaigns in America. Is it therefore any surprise that the government is responsive first to the needs of that 1%, and not to the 99%?" -Lawrence Lessig

usfs411 wrote:Thanks for "infringing" on my freedom of speech. The Denver Post is worse than 9 News. No wonder newspapers are going the way of the DoDo

Freedom of speech doesn't necessarily give you the 'freedom' to say whatever you want.

Actually, Freedem of speech, pretty much does give you the right to say whatever you want. However, it needs to be honest and it needs to be in public and you are responsible for your actions (sadly, a lot of that has been removed these days).

On somebodies private areas, such as this blog, 1st amendments do NOT extend to here. This is ran only as a service by the post. As such, the Post sets the rules and decides who says what. And the reason for the newspapers disappearing is because they have not figured out how to deal with the internet. Sadly, they are headed in the wrong direction for the most part. Google has it right.

The post could not only survive, but thrive, but they are also headed down the wrong avenue. But, this is a free nation and they are free to do what they want.

You're right of course about freedom of speech, and also that it does not extend to this forum. When the pay wall went up, would that not be dealing with the internet, by charging?

jamesdean1955 wrote:.... When the pay wall went up, would that not be dealing with the internet, by charging?

Well, the paywalls are very poorly thought out.First, I get around it without barely any effort. I am not going to tell others who to do it, but I would guess that it has been posted around.

Secondly, these actually drive customers away, not help get revenue. In particular, they charge similar to a paper description in which I get a paper delivered to my door, while with on-line, I pay similar, but really do not get anything extra for it.

Third, they are killing their main revenue stream, which are ads. BUT, the problem with ads here is that they treat them the same way that they do the paper. Basically, they just throw them out and asks what will stick?

However, if I am a marketer, I do not want that. It is an incredible waste of my money. I want a targeted ad. Right now, the best for this is Google. Yet, DP could easily have this, and regain their advertisers (but, I know that they will not do this).

In addition, they have allowed craig's list to destroy their classified ads.

So, here is what I would :1) create 3 different on-line papers. A conservative, liberal, and the paper version. The paper version would be the regular DenverPost.com. The conservative and liberal side papers would have other names, but would share similar articles. The sports, funnies, immeadiate news, etc would still be the same. Where you would get a difference would be the political authors/editors. Anything that is considered politcal authors would be assigned to either conservative or liberal. The DP would then pick which articles they want. Roughly, you are bringing back competition, but limiting it to where it is wanted.

2) If anybody wants to read the conservative/liberal, they must sign up for it. Some of the articles would be free. Or free after a length of time. BUT, what the idea is, is to get ppl to sign up and give you their contact information. At that point, you can track them via various means. In particular, what you want to know is how they post ( conservative liberal), what they find interesting ( sports, local, politics ), who are they connected with (what is yours and my relationship? Do we talk on-line only, or do we have connections on the side (without reading those side conversation)). Basically, this knowledge is POWER. From this, they can target ads. For me, send me ads related to start-ups, manufacturing, Software Engineering, computer security, cracking, family, avs, broncos/packers, sailing, electric cars, space. Likewise, if they figure out my background, they will know other things about me and how to target me with something that I am far more likely to read. THIS IS HOW YOU GET YOUR AD MONEY BACK AND UP.

3) They lost their classified advertisement. This used to be a HUGE DEAL for them. And yet, they are doing NOTHING to get it back. But this is trivial to bring back. Craigs list is a simple front-end, however, they can not offer to put it in the paper. DP can. In addition, with the above, they can target others that might be interested in such things. By allowing the these to be listed FREELY on-line, they can re-gain craigs list. By allowing somebody to pay a bit to have it be directed at the above users, or a bit more above that, to put it in the paper as well, allows DP to monetize it again.

4) BTW, how to pay the multiple reports and editors? They get a cut of what that paper brings in. Simple as that. IOW, if they are popular, they will help bring in more readers.

There are more things that they can do to bring back the DP, but ....

================ edit ============to the 2 that have modded this down, you can actually benefit the DP by simply saying WHY you would think that this is bad, rather than mod me down without reading it. But hey, kind of what I have come to expect from both of you (or more likely one person with 2 accounts).

“... 1% of America funds almost 99% of the cost of political campaigns in America. Is it therefore any surprise that the government is responsive first to the needs of that 1%, and not to the 99%?" -Lawrence Lessig

“... 1% of America funds almost 99% of the cost of political campaigns in America. Is it therefore any surprise that the government is responsive first to the needs of that 1%, and not to the 99%?" -Lawrence Lessig

I read that long ago. If that is actually true, the admins/mods owe me an explanation.

No, they do not. Read your postings.You constantly jump in and attack ppl.I saw the ones that you were being soft-del for. In every single case, you were attacking others, including myself.

BTW, I will say that I am not a shining example of what to do.After being attacked for so long by yourself, I have started to return it back.Not a good thing (and yeah, I have had posts deleted and soft-del for it).

“... 1% of America funds almost 99% of the cost of political campaigns in America. Is it therefore any surprise that the government is responsive first to the needs of that 1%, and not to the 99%?" -Lawrence Lessig

You have no idea what you are talking about as usual. And as usual even though you have no idea what you are talking about, you are sure to offer your terrible advice. You should talk, your posts are peppered with childish taunts and insults.

windbourne wrote:You constantly jump in and attack ppl.

That is your opinion. I attack ideas, you attack people and groups of people. There is a difference.

windbourne wrote:I saw the ones that you were being soft-del for. In every single case, you were attacking others, including myself.

That is your opinion. To call those personal attacks is to have a loose definition of personal attacks.

You are one of the worst, you attack people and their motives instead of their ideas. It is very childish.

You have no idea what you are talking about as usual. And as usual even though you have no idea what you are talking about, you are sure to offer your terrible advice. You should talk, your posts are peppered with childish taunts and insults.

windbourne wrote:You constantly jump in and attack ppl.

That is your opinion. I attack ideas, you attack people and groups of people. There is a difference.

windbourne wrote:I saw the ones that you were being soft-del for. In every single case, you were attacking others, including myself.

That is your opinion. To call those personal attacks is to have a loose definition of personal attacks.

You are one of the worst, you attack people and their motives instead of their ideas. It is very childish.

Is this post worthy of a board warning? I have no idea.

Do you even READ what you post?Do you have a concept of what it means to attack ppl on a personal level?I suspect that the irony of your posting has totally escaped you.

“... 1% of America funds almost 99% of the cost of political campaigns in America. Is it therefore any surprise that the government is responsive first to the needs of that 1%, and not to the 99%?" -Lawrence Lessig