That is true, but for 27 years, no new registerable automatic weapons have been manufactured. The registry is closed, and the number of machine guns transferrable to 'civilians' (non-LEO/mil) is fixed. That is why they are so expensive.

And every time they are transferred, the FedGov wants a bunch of fingerprints, forms, and $200. Every time. A buddy told me the average time these days is between 6 months and a year. Just to transfer a gun.

If Frankenfeinstein makes all 20 million or so AR-15's into the same class (registered with NFA, $200 transfer, fingerprints), how long will it take to transfer one of those?

No, I don’t see that happening, YET! There may be some copycat incidents occuring. In this crazy world, there are just some people who cannot separate video games, movies, and TV shows from reality. Then something in their life triggers an incident. Just like the latest incident where the 15-year old killed his whole family. He was heavily into video games, had a 12-year old girlfriend, and probably thought his parents were too restrictive. Voila, just shoot them, like in the video game, that will take care of the problem.

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posted on 01/23/2013 5:42:02 AM PST
by ImNotLying
(The MSM bears a close resemblance to the world's oldest profession!)

No, I don’t see that happening, YET! There may be some copycat incidents occuring. In this crazy world, there are just some people who cannot separate video games, movies, and TV shows from reality. Then something in their life triggers an incident. Just like the latest incident where the 15-year old killed his whole family. He was heavily into video games, had a 12-year old girlfriend, and probably thought his parents were too restrictive. Voila, just shoot them, like in the video game, that will take care of the problem.

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posted on 01/23/2013 5:42:29 AM PST
by ImNotLying
(The MSM bears a close resemblance to the world's oldest profession!)

For her to introduce this as a separate bill means nothing, because everyone knows it would never pass as such. It’s a PR stunt.

If the Democrats were serious, and they might be, they will insert gun control language into unrelated “must pass” legislation, in the middle of the night on Friday, in a bill like the NDAA, which the Democrats have used twice now to insert repugnant and unconstitutional fascism.

Because they know that many Republicans will never vote against a defense bill, no matter what malignant cancer it contains.

The “indefinite detention of Americans by the military” law in the last NDAA is outrageously unconstitutional, far worse than the stupid “assault weapons and big magazines” bans. Yet Republicans didn’t stand up against it, so why expect they would stand against this?

My point is to look for the *real* villainy to arrive, not with a fanfare of drums and trumpets, but like a thief in the night, and importantly, a hundred or a thousand times worse than this bit.

Bottom line: the Democrats want full registration as a means to gun elimination, just as much as it exists in Australia and England. Anything they do right now is just a first step in that direction. They will take anything they can get, but they will always push to get more, until there is nothing left.

This is why it is so vital to slap them down, and hard, from the very start, because if they are serious, the Republicans will not stand in their way.

Is a bullet button related to the thing that goes up??? I thought I was reasonably informed on firearms terminology but those two just escape me. Can somebody please translate?

A “bullet button” is a magazine release that uses the tip of a bullet (instead of your fingertip) to release the magazine. It gets around California’s ban on detachable magazines because it requires a “tool.”

I have seen an alternative that works differently, and will get around this ban.

That and horsies. Guess nobody showed hussein the pics of the specops guys on horseback in assghanistan in late 2001 and early 2002 huh? Of course they weren’t a sanctioned horse brigade so maybe that doesn’t count. What a buffoon. Sadly he’s got an AMEX black card that he let’s moosechelle antoinette use to buy wighats on our dime.

Molon labe.

Prepare to become a felon.

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posted on 01/23/2013 6:01:14 AM PST
by rktman
(Live the oath you took or get out of office!)

Senators in red states will not cooperate. It may get out of committee, but I doubt it will come up for a vote because it would not pass.

Only the safest blue state Democrats can ignore what’s going on out there: 250,000+ new members of the NRA, record sales of guns and ammo from coast to coast, major vendors pulling out of sports shows because of organizers’ bans on semi-automatics, an overload of phone lines and email boxes of Senators and Congressmen, the NRA and other 2nd Amendment advocacy groups threatening to support primary challengers to sitting politicians.

Obama and Dems have over reached and lost this one. He’ll issue a few EO’s to save face, but they will be nothing more than directives to better enforce existing laws.

The Bass Pro Shop near me (Great Lakes Crossing, Auburn Hills Michigan) normally has about 60 linear ft of handguns on display (3 shelves X 20 ft each). Saturday both bottom shelves were empty, and they had moved all the remaining pistols to the top shelf, which was also dwindling fast. There were about 30 people milling around the counter holding numbers, waiting their turn.

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posted on 01/23/2013 6:03:42 AM PST
by Mich Patriot
(PITCH BLACK is the new "transparent")

Nope, not illegal just must have a special license to own one.The ones carried by our current soldiers ARE illegal (being made after 1986). The ones made and registered before are merely so rare that they cost 10-20 times what they would in a free market.

This is MUCH more important than some stupid budget. After all, this will save lives. NOT! Are there enough “fema camps” to handle the millions of newly minted felons? Where the heck is William Wallace when you need him? The downward spiral continues. Don’t think it has the legs but I’ve been wrong before. My wife reminds me of that. A LOT! LOL!

Molon labe.

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posted on 01/23/2013 6:08:18 AM PST
by rktman
(Live the oath you took or get out of office!)

Yeah. My problem is ammo is almost four times as expensive at Wal Mart as it is on the internet, but I don’t want to buy off the web because I don’t want to be tracked. Maybe a gun show would be a good place. Somewhere where I can pay cash.

Doctor probes teen on guns in the home - January 23, 2013 - In pro-gun-regulation Illinois  where politicians would rather play gun control politics than fight the murderous street gangs  a young man was admitted to the hospital.

Not a complete quote,but would also require grandfathered weapons to be registered under the National Firearms Act,background ck of owner,type(of gun),serial #,photo and fingerprint and dedicated funding for the ATF to implement registration.

“Sen. Dianne Feinsteins office confirmed that she will be introducing in the Senate Thursday a new version of the so-called assault weapon ban”

Where it will promptly be sent to committee and die. Dingy Harry has practically said he’s not going to bring gun control legislation to the floor of the Senate for vote as too many Dems will be at risk if they vote for it.

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posted on 01/23/2013 7:43:46 AM PST
by Georgia Girl 2
(The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)

A bullet button is a magazine release that uses the tip of a bullet (instead of your fingertip) to release the magazine. It gets around Californias ban on detachable magazines because it requires a tool.

I love the American spirit of innovation to overcome obstacles.

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posted on 01/23/2013 7:48:29 AM PST
by T-Bird45
(It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)

In the United States the vast majority of illegal firearm crimes and murders are committied with handguns and not "so called" assault weapons. This leads to the question of why the far left is concentrating its full effort on banning this type of rifle. The answer is quite simple. They fear this rifle as it is the type of weapon that will be used in defense against a tyrannical central government hell bent on disarming the populace and tearing up the rights given us in the Constitution. It is no more and no less.

It must never be forgotten that our fore fathers debated the reason and need of the Second Amendment. It is quite clear that it was given to us to protect us from tyranny from within our government in addition to repeal external threats. See quotes below:

"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." THOMAS JEFFERSON

Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man. (Quoting Cesare Beccaria) THOMAS JEFFERSON

"The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." THOMAS JEFFERSON When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty." THOMAS JEFFERSON

"An elective despotism was not the government we fought for." THOMAS JEFFERSON The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it's natural manure." THOMAS JEFFERSON

The constitution shall never be construed...to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms. ― ALEXANDER HAMILTON

"The right of self-defense never ceases. It is among the most sacred, and alike necessary to nations and to individuals." President JAMES MONROE (November 16, 1818)

"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." THOMAS JEFFERSON

"For a people who are free, and who mean to remain so, a well organized and armed militia is their best security." THOMAS JEFFERSON (1743-1826), US Founding Father, drafted the Declaration of Independence, 3rd US President. Source: Eighth Annual Message, November 8, 1808

"The said Constitution [shall] be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press, or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms." SAMUEL ADAMS of Massachusetts -- U.S. Constitution ratification convention, 1788

"...It is always dangerous to the liberties of the people to have an army stationed among them, over which they have no control...The Militia is composed of free Citizens. There is therefore no danger of their making use of their power to the destruction of their own Rights, or suffering others to invade them." SAMUEL ADAMS

"Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation... Notwithstanding the military establishments in the several kingdoms of Europe, which are carried as far as the public resources will bear, the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms." JAMES MADISON, Federalist Papers, #46 at 243-244.

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; a well armed, and well regulated militia being the best security of a free country: but no person religiously scrupulous of bearing arms, shall be compelled to render military service in person." JAMES MADISON, Proposed Amendments to the Constitution June 8, 1789

"A people armed and free forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition and is a bulwark for the nation against foreign invasion and DOMESTIC OPPRESSION. JAMES MADISON (1751-1836), Father of the Constitution for the USA, 4th US President

FOLLOW THE BELOW LINK FOR MANY QUOTES OF OUR FORE FATHERS ON THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS. THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF THE CONTITUTION IS VERY CLEAR. THESE ARE THE MEN THAT DEBATED WHAT THE CONSTITUTION SHOULD BE (THE DEBATE WAS over TWO YEARS VIA PUBLICATIONS I.E. THE FEDERALIST PAPERS.

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