Jerbob wrote:Does the Roc3 listed on the Innova site equal the McBeth Roc or something different?

Same mold but the McRocs were a special limited run of nice plastic and made with extra attention to detail. As a result, those were flat topped and clear and had a unique feel. Expect a different blend of plastic and a slightly different shape due to the unpredictability of plastic molding. A lot of Innova midranges are coming out domey as shit these days, so I wouldn't be surprised to see a little bit of that in the Rocs. Remains to be seen though, and I'm sure it will vary over time.

I actually grabbed a factory second of the McRoc and it is nice and flat. If the Roc3 came out with the same lack of dome I might consider grabbing a few for backups to a couple of champ and special blend rocs. The F2 McRoc was more stable then a KC pro, but not quite as stable as a 2006 usdgc and special blend I compared it to.

JR wrote:Last year KCs of the non glowing kind were tackier and waxier and they damage and break in super fast. More expensive than DX but it might be even less durable. At least mine broke in quickly unlike DX. I haven't felt a glow KC Roc.

Thanks. I threw a friends KC and it was that waxy feeling, I didn't care for it. Do you recommend just regular DX rocs? Or is there a run like pumkin, glow or flat top that are better?

It's been a while since I've investigated in Rocs, is flat or slight dome a better flyer?

Thanks.

I have KCs that varied a lot so i'm not happy. My best regular day Roc is a KC and it is not far ahead of the best DXs that are of older stiffer material but for windy days Star USDGC 2009 Rancho is the best. I like my Rocs to have a minimal dome meaning just a hair taller than flat.

Flat shots need running on the center line of the tee and planting each step on the center line. Anhyzer needs running from rear right to front left with the plant step hitting the ground to the left of the line you're running on. Hyzer is the mirror of that.

Jerbob wrote:I actually grabbed a factory second of the McRoc and it is nice and flat. If the Roc3 came out with the same lack of dome I might consider grabbing a few for backups to a couple of champ and special blend rocs. The F2 McRoc was more stable then a KC pro, but not quite as stable as a 2006 usdgc and special blend I compared it to.

Jerbob wrote:I actually grabbed a factory second of the McRoc and it is nice and flat. If the Roc3 came out with the same lack of dome I might consider grabbing a few for backups to a couple of champ and special blend rocs. The F2 McRoc was more stable then a KC pro, but not quite as stable as a 2006 usdgc and special blend I compared it to.

My McRocs are less stable than a new KC by a good margin.

Well, it was about 30 degrees that day, so may have effected my throws a little. The 12x KC pro, wasn't brand new, so maybe a poor comparison.

Jerbob wrote:Does the Roc3 listed on the Innova site equal the McBeth Roc or something different?

I just realized Innova has this listed with the rest of their discs and it says coming soon ask your local retailer. They have it listed as a speed 5 and not speed 4. I don't get the flat Roc love but what the hell is the Roc3? Is it a different/new mold or just made out of plastic that molds up different or cooled different?

How tall is that dome? The McBeth that i saw was just taller than totally flat. I've seen domier ESP Buzzes.

Flat shots need running on the center line of the tee and planting each step on the center line. Anhyzer needs running from rear right to front left with the plant step hitting the ground to the left of the line you're running on. Hyzer is the mirror of that.