ROME — On his flight back to Rome after visiting Turkey, the Roman Catholic Pontiff known as Pope Francis told reporters that Islam should not be equated with terrorism and violence–a statement that some may disagree with considering the teachings of the religion.

“On Islamophobia, it is true that when one sees these terrorist acts, not only in this region, but also in Africa, there is this reaction [of], ‘If this is Islam, I am going to get angry,'” he said. “And so many Islamic people are offended.”

“Many, many [Muslims] say, ‘No, we are not this. The Koran is a book of peace. It is a prophetic book of peace. That (terrorism) is not Islam,” Francis continued.

He posited that Islamic leaders should speak out against terrorism to dispel any negatives perceptions about the religion.

“There are these small (radical or terrorist) groups,” the pontiff stated. “It would be a good thing if all Muslim leaders, whether they be political or religious leaders, say clearly that they condemn that because this would help the majority of the Muslim people to say no.”

Francis asserted that it is wrong to consider Islam a terrorist religion, and compared it to considering all Christians to be “fundamentalists.”

“Sincerely, I think we can’t say that all Muslims are terrorists,” he stated.

“You just can’t say that, just as you can’t say that all Christians are fundamentalists,” the pontiff continued. “We have our share of them (fundamentalists). All religions have these little groups.”

He also told reporters that when he visited Turkey’s Blue Mosque last week, he did so “as a pilgrim, not as a tourist” and that he felt moved to pray while he was there.

“I prayed for Turkey, for peace, for the mufti, for everyone and for myself, because I need it,” Francis said. “It was a moment of sincere prayer.”

As previously reported, Francis took off his shoes, folded his hands and bowed his head inside of the mosque on Saturday, standing silently next to Rahmi Yaran, who serves as the nation’s highest Islamic leader as grand mufti. The two faced Mecca as Yaran prayed with his palms raised.

In providing a tour of the turquoise-tiled mosque, Yaran spoke to the Roman Catholic leader about prayer, and expounded on verses from the Koran. Francis remarked about the importance of adoring God and not only worshiping him.

The pontiff’s visit to the mosque is not the first time that he has made gestures or issued statements seeking understanding between the two religions. As previously reported, last year, Francis issued a written greeting to Muslims in recognition of the close of the Islamic holiday Ramadan.

“Turning to mutual respect in inter-religious relations, especially between Christians and Muslims, we are called to respect the religion of the other, its teachings, its symbols, its values,” he wrote. “Particular respect is due to religious leaders and to places of worship. How painful are attacks on one or other of these!”

Last December, he met with Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu, the secretary general of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC), at the Vatican, who he asked to pray for him in the days ahead.

However, some are concerned about the pontiff’s ecumenism with Muslims. Mike Gendron of Proclaiming the Gospel Ministries of Plano, Texas, told Christian News Network following Francis’ meeting with Ihsanglu last year that the influential religious leader’s actions align with Roman Catholic teaching.

“The pope’s request for prayers from the Muslims is consistent his belief that they worship the same God,” he stated. “The Catechism of the Catholic Church, paragraph 841, reads, ‘The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims … together with us they adore the one, merciful God.’ This is a blatant rejection of the teachings of Christ, who declared He is the only way to the Father. Those who do not believe Jesus is God will die in their sins.”

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James Grimes

Pope Francis needs to face up to reality – Islam is NOT a religion of peace.

Streetiebird

And neither is Christianity a religion of peace. Both have bad apples. Both have teachings which can be misinterpreted and abused by extremists.

KPC

And Islam is the worst and worst of it. Disgrace to humanity. Between the two, Christianity is lot and lot better.

Problem is Islam is not supposed to be questioned.

Only ban of Islam cult is answer.

truthnothate

wrong, is just the times you are living, Christianity has been the bloodiest in history.

truthnothate

There are 2.3 billion Muslims in the world that do not pursue violence means, what do you mean Islam is NOT religion of peace? Christianity is neither a religion of peace, actually all religions are not religions of peace, by the very nature of “holders of a truth” all of them have commited the same mistake for the detriment of humans in the planet: ALL ARE NOT RELIGIONS OF PEACE.

Pope Francis knows what he is doing. He himself doesn’t know what’s written in the Quran neither does he totally stands for or identifies with Jesus Christ and His message. Let’s face the truth. Do not be deceived, there will be a lot of wolves in sheep clothing.

Frank

Islam was founded on terrorism. The Quran teaches terrorism. Just because some professing Muslims don’t have the stomach for what their religion is and or will lie about it as per what their Quran teaches them to do does not by any stretch of the truth mean that Islam and Muhammad are not and were not terrorist.

Demopublicrat

I find it interesting that pagan boy equates “terrorism and violence” with fundamentalists.

Andro Lerario

Protestants and Catholics were killing each other in Ireland for years. Both Christians so who’s the better and true Christians there.

Demopublicrat

I believe the IRA tips the scales as far as body count by a fair margin trying to make Ireland a sovereign nation. In answer to your question I would have to say neither, but I lack information to make a fair assessment.

Edward Vincent

The pope is NOT a christian., Why do catholics have a roseiry and pray the the holy mother mary ,
Is it not said ” They shalt not have any other Gods before me ” Jesus Christ the Messiah was the living God To show us to way to the Father , You cannot go to the Father but only through Me. Idolic worship is a abomination unto the Lord .

Magister_militum_praesentalis

That was a predictable first comment to this article.

Edward Vincent

If it was that predictable ,then why did you not think of it and write the comment ?.

The Last Trump

He is a staunch defender of Roman Catholicism. He would never have posted such truth. 🙁

Magister_militum_praesentalis

That is was a predictable comment is the truth.

The Last Trump

Can you garble that by me again?

Edward Vincent

The Last Trump,
I have just left another comment at Magister , Have aread and see if it rebutes his stupidity.:-))

Magister_militum_praesentalis

What “stupidity” are you talking about?

Andro Lerario

You have no idea what you are talking about. You shouldn’t comment if you are ignorant to what the Rosary is. It is not a prayer to The Holy Mother, it is a meditation prayer on the life of Jesus Christ. Catholics like all Christians believe in one God.

Edward Vincent

Holy mary mother of Jesus ,( WHO ARE THEY PRAYING TO, ) they are praying to the holy mary , Not GOD, Catholics Killed more christians than any other religion did, Check your history. And what about all the stautes in the cathredral IDOLIC WORSHIP.
If you read the Holy Bible it tells you not to have any thing made of GOLD, SILVER, WOOD,STONE , Representing The Messiah our Lord Jesus Christ , ALTERS are idolic worship, AND SUNDAY IS NOT THE TRUE BIBLICAL SABBATH , but the catholics worship on a sunday?.

Magister_militum_praesentalis

Another one who thinks the “who killed who” game amounts to anything. Please read the history of Müntzer’s Peasants’ War in lower Germany, the Zwickau prophets’ reign of terror, the actions of the Anabaptist cult in Münster, Cromwell’s invasion of Ireland, and the Thirty Years War.

pax2u

the floats in the Crazy Parade

Trumpet,

believes in NWO Bible conspiracy theories

Demo

believes that he is God, and does not understand

why no one will pray to him

Heidi K.

New Age believer in the fact that there’s no such thing as ufo’s or aliens since no living being will ever make it through the Van Allen Radiation Belt. Aliens, ghosts, ufo’s et cetera are demons trying to fascinate humans in order to lead them away from the living GOD. Please watch L.A. Marzulli’s videos about the alien deception!

JennyLynn

believes that Jesuits and Jewish bankers control the world

The Last Trump

Pax2u.
Seriously believes he is a Christian! 🙂

pax2u

tell us about the NWO Bible conspiracy theories

albertuz

That is what some say that Catholics do. Why do they say that? What is their reference?
Where is their documented proof? Show me the genuine Catholic documents which “prove” this false charge?
I have yet to see any Catholic document that says Catholics are to worship idols.

Idol:
An image used as an object of worship. A false GOD.
This is how the dictionary defines an idol.

Image:
A reproduction of the form of a person or an object.
An optically formed duplicate, counterpart, or other representative
reproduction of an object, especially an optical reproduction of an object
formed by a lens or a mirror.
This is what the dictionary says an image is. It could be a statue, icon, or
even a photograph.

Worship:
The reverent love and devotion accorded a deity, an idol, or a sacred object.
This the definition given by the dictionary.

Do you have a photograph of a loved one? Do you worship it? I doubt it.
Maybe you only use the picture to remind yourself of that person. Isn’t
that right?
What about the statue of Abraham Lincoln in the Lincoln Memorial?
Do you or anyone else worship it or any other statue? Of course not.
Then why is the statue there? It is to remind us of what a great man he was
and in an image to which we can relate.

It is the same situation in the Catholic Church. The statues in the Catholic Church are there to remind us of our founder, Jesus Christ, His mother,
and the great saints of the Church.

“You shall not carve idols for yourselves in the shape of anything in the sky
above or on the earth below or in the waters beneath the earth.”
Exodus 20:4
GOD clearly said make no images.

“And the Lord said to Moses, “Make a seraph (snake) and mount it on a
pole, and if anyone who has been bitten looks at it he will recover.”
Moses accordingly made a bronze serpent and mounted it on a pole, and whenever anyone who had been bitten by a serpent looked at the bronze
serpent, he recovered.”
Numbers 21:8-9
GOD clearly said make an image.

Now is this a Bible conflict, or a misunderstanding, or misinterpretation
by someone? It has to be one or the other.

“So all the people took off their earrings and brought them to Aaron, who accepted their offering, and fashioned this gold with a graving tool, made a golden calf. Then they cried out, ‘this is your GOD, O Israel, who brought
you out of the land of Egypt’.”
Exodus 32:3-4
This is a clear violation of the first commandment. They had accepted and
made for themselves a false god. So how did GOD respond?

“Thus the Lord smote the people for having had Aaron make the calf for
them.”
Exodus 32:35
It is clear that GOD again said make no idols.

“Make two cherubim of beaten gold for the two ends of the propitiatory,
fasten them so that one cherub springs direct from each end.”
Exodus 25:17-18
Another clear message directly from GOD to make idols. Did you notice that these gold cherubim were to be mounted atop the most sacred object on earth, the Ark of the Covenant?

Chapters 5 and 6 of 1Kings tell of the building of Solomon’s Temple as
commanded by GOD, and decorating it inside with…
“And he made in the oracle two cherubim of olive tree, of ten cubits in
height.”
1Kings 6:23
Yet another command from GOD to make idols.
These idols were huge, as one cubit is about eighteen inches. That makes
each one fifteen feet tall.

So what do we have here? Are there more Bible conflicts than we realized,
or are we missing something?

Do you see the pattern here? It is very clear.
GOD had said to make images that come from GOD but make no images
that are against Him…

1. Angels are Saints, St. Michael, St. Raphael, St. Gabriel.
2. There are many Saints who never were Angels, St. Mary, St. Peter, etc.
3. Saints are of GOD so what is the problem of having a statue of them?
4. Jesus Christ is certainly of GOD, so what is the problem of having a
crucifix to remind us of the passion He suffered for each of us?
5. Catholics, when praying before a statue are not petitioning to the statue,
but to the person of whom it represents.
6. Now if you think petitioning Saints is wrong, I suggest you refer to
Rev 5:8, and Rev 8:1-4

Now I have to ask once more, for those who accuse Catholics of
idol worship, show me your documentation which ‘proves’ what you say.
Written by Bob Stanley,

Edward Vincent

1/ Who is bob stanley writing for you ,cannot you write for your self ?
2,You have a statue of the mother mary and you pray to it ( worship ), Idolic worship .
3,God told the people of YISRAEL NOT TO MAKE IMAGES ,
He then told Moses to make an image ,WHEN GOD TELLS YOU TO DO IT YOU DO IT you do not do what God does not tell you ,
Who told the people to make a statue of the Mother Mary ?
4, God told the people of Yisrael to build an ARK of gold ,
WHAT DID GOD TELL THE PEOPLE OF YISRAEL ,
YES , GOD TOLD THEM ,
Your case has been rebutted , Our Lord Jesus Christ is in his temple ( Church ) Which is not of bricks and mortar but which is in your Heart , your heart is the temple of God not a building .

pax2u

do you have a photo of your parents or your children

are you an iconoclast like the mustlims and do you hate religious art?

Edward Vincent

Who told you to butt into some body elses conversation,
Just like the pope got to involve another god for his parisioners

pax2u

I am sorry, I should stay out of your anti Christian bigotry and hatred of Catholics

put your sheet and hood back on,

The Last Trump

Aha! NOW it’s “Paxman standing in front of a mirror!”, right?! I knew it! 🙂

I think that it is a lack of security in their beliefs, to justify an insecurity some must lie and attack another’s faith,

BeWhoYouAre

I think they have been sucked in to “easy believism” – someone selling them everlasting life on a street corner and they think it’s just a matter of reading a few words off a page.

pax2u

I am always amazed by the Once Saved Always Saver group, I asked a OSAS if a person is OSAS will they never sin again?, I was told oh no we are all sinners, and some will say that all sin is equal in the eyes of God
I think asked if a OSAS murders a bus load of little kids and then immediately dies, will the OSAS still go to heaven?
sometimes I am told, Yes since they are OSAS, other times I am told no because the person was never “really” saved, very odd

BeWhoYouAre

What’s also funny is they always say “where is this or that in the Bible,” and OSAS isn’t in the Bible anywhere.

pax2u

many of these are the fundamentalists who always scream,
“give me scripture” and when they are given scripture, they then scream “that is out of context”, really, it is out of context because it does not agree with your agenda

BeWhoYouAre

I don’t usually give it to them, I say “why should I give you scripture, sola scriptura is your stupid rule, not ours.” It’s like they have re-written Christianity and expect you to follow their rules. Nuts to that.

pax2u

it is sola scriptura, unless it does not agree with their agenda, then it is taken out of context
30 thousand denominations, and 30 thousand theologies, and then there are the non denominationals who can not agree with the 30 thousand theologies, but they do agree that Catholics are in error

BeWhoYouAre

Do you also find this website in general (Christian News Network) has a bias against Catholics? They always refer to the pope as ‘Pope Francis’ (with quote marks) rather than just Pope Francis.

pax2u

I think that topics are presented to provide a forum to attack Catholics and the Cathoic Church

I have been told that as a Catholic, I am a “guest” and I should know my place,

I have been told that to defend my faith against lies, is arrogance on my part, and they have the freedom of religion to attack my faith,

we are told that the Catholic Church “added” books to the Bible, when it was Luther who removed the Jewish books of the old testament that did not match his agenda

we are told that Luther fought the Catholic Church, Luther who hated the jews and wrote his anit Jewish book, “on the Jews and their lies”

What’s your source and statistics that catholics killed more christians? Here’s what we believe as Catholics: Catechism of the Catholic Church – Paragraph 2123

2132 The Christian veneration of images is not contrary to the first
commandment which proscribes idols. Indeed, “the honor rendered to an
image passes to its prototype,” and “whoever venerates an image
venerates the person portrayed in it.” The honor paid to sacred images is
a “respectful veneration,” not the adoration due to God alone:

Religious
worship is not directed to images in themselves, considered as mere things, but
under their distinctive aspect as images leading us on to God incarnate. The
movement toward the image does not terminate in it as image, but tends toward
that whose image it is.

James Grimes

Using images, statues, icons, etc. in worship is idolatry. The Bible, in Exodus 20:4, clearly states that we are not to use any idols (images, statues, or icons) when worshipping.

4 “You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them…”

albertuz

Is Half of The Story Sufficient For Salvation?

How many sides are there to a story? If you say two, then you are wrong. If you had one side and I had one side, that would make two sides. However, there is a third side, the side of truth.

Rule # 1… One half of truth does not a truth make. Neither does one half of a story make the full story. No intelligent person can hear one side of a story and decide which side has the truth. Both sides have to be heard, then analyzed, and then a decision has to be made as to which side (if either) has a valid story, and after that, the right side(s), or truth side, can be determined.

This thinking holds true for discerning what Holy Scripture tells us. Throughout the Bible there are double standards, yet the fundamentalist thinking shows only one standard, or one side of the story, or only one half of the truth. Their thinking is in violation of rule # 1. With only one half of truth, you do not have truth. Anything less than the whole truth is error.

In the following examples, side ‘A’ is the first side, side ‘B’ is the second, and side ‘C’ is the right, or truth side…… Idol Worship… This is another argument aimed against the Catholic Church since it has statues of Jesus and Mary, and other saints.

A. Ex 20:4, “You shall not carve idols for yourselves in the shape of anything in the sky above or on the earth below or in the waters beneath the earth.” This verse is why you do not see idols in protestant churches.

B. Num 21:8-9, ‘And the Lord said to Moses, “Make a saraph (serpent) and mount it on a pole…Moses accordingly made a bronze serpent…” How about Ex 25:18:22, GOD commands Moses to make two images of angels and to fasten them to the lid of the Ark. GOD commands humans to make idols.

C. Is this another conflict? No not at all. In both cases in ‘B’, the idols were to be used for a good purpose. In ‘A’, the meaning is for idols which have an evil purpose such as the golden calf or worship of false gods’. Is there much of a difference between statues of angels and statues of saints? No, not in this case as both are heavenly dwellers, and are servants of GOD. The answer of truth is again A+B=C…….I hope this little exercise has helped you to understand why there are so many ‘apparent’ conflicts in Holy Scripture, with some verses seemingly contradicting others. They really are not contradictory when you come to the realization that there are three sides to every story. When the full truth is known, then there is no need to try to explain away any verses in scripture. The Bible is harmonious from beginning to end. Nothing can be added, and nothing can be removed. It all fits together perfectly….

“A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion.” Proverbs 18:2

James Grimes

Proverbs 26:4 advises me not to engage with you. This applies also to the clowns who troll here – pax2u and BeWhoYouAre. Sorry.

God will remember yours. Repent now and come to Christ Paxy! Don’t listen to your Pope. Don’t turn to Allah.

pax2u

I pray that God does remember me, and I pray that God remembers you also
Blessings to you and yours

BeWhoYouAre

If Pax2u is Catholic, he’s already come to Christ, and why do you bring up the Pope at all? Don’t you know Catholics were the original Christians?

albertuz

Non Catholic love to quotes from the bible yet they don’t accept the truth that without the “Authority” of the Catholic Church they don’t have any bible to attack the very church that gave them the bible…..It’s like cutting the very hand that feeds them…..So sad…

BeWhoYouAre

Pointing out your abject bigotry, stupidity and hatred does not make me a troll.

pax2u

bless you for your strength dealing with grimy jimmy, who decides who ever does not agree with his hatred of Christians, is a troll,

I think he is back under his bridge

pax2u

your avatar is a man made image, is that your idol?

The Last Trump

Your Pope is a man. Is that YOUR idol? Hmmm? Yes?

pax2u

the Pope is a man and a sinner, like me,

but it is a lie to say that he is my idol, why do you lie about Christians?

The Last Trump

Why do you lie about worshipping your Pope? Sad that you feel you must lie. Sad that you worship your denomination and not God. 🙁

pax2u

sorry I do not worship the Pope
and I forgive you for saying that I do
blessings to you and yours

BeWhoYouAre

No Catholic worships the pope, that’s ridiculous.

Martin

I was raised a Catholic, went to Catholic school run by nuns, still go to Church, still study my faith. I have NEVER been taught to worship the pope. I check the Catechism, never says that. In other words Trump you are a liar.

The Last Trump

No worries. Wasn’t talking about all Catholics. Just annoying a stalker I picked up who’s been annoying the crap out of everybody. We’ve since mended things and moved on. All good. 🙂

pax2u

Why do they lie and say that Catholics worship the Pope? why?

Catholics worship Jesus Christ, and not the Pope

I hope you feel

I forgive you

I wish you well

Merry Christmass

pax2u

true, and If a Catholic defends the Christian faith they are stalkers

BeWhoYouAre

No one worships images and statues and icons, they are reminders and decorations. How ridiculous.

pax2u

lying about Christians is a sin

if you are a Christian

is that avatar a man made image, a graven image, is that your idol?

BeWhoYouAre

albertuz, arguing with fundamentalists is like playing chess with a pigeon: They’ll knock over the pieces, crap on the board, and then strut about clucking like they won.

Martin

Edward Vincent uses fables, all his sources are wrong.

albertuz

Catechism of the Catholic Church – Paragraph 2123

2132 The Christian veneration of images is not contrary to the first
commandment which proscribes idols. Indeed, “the honor rendered to an
image passes to its prototype,” and “whoever venerates an image
venerates the person portrayed in it.” The honor paid to sacred images is
a “respectful veneration,” not the adoration due to God alone:

Religious
worship is not directed to images in themselves, considered as mere things, but
under their distinctive aspect as images leading us on to God incarnate. The
movement toward the image does not terminate in it as image, but tends toward
that whose image it is.

Why
Non –Catholics and many sect members and protestant fundamentalist love to
memorized and quotes scriptures but failed to understand their meaning in
proper context. They always parade their ignorance and their anti- catholic
bias and bigotry using the Word of God in accusing and bearing false witness to
Catholics here’ what the ten commandment say: Exodus 20:16

Revised
Standard Version Catholic Edition (RSVCE)

16
You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. Where is your reference that Catholic worship
idol? Show me an official teachings of the Catholic Church that we catholic
worship idols? Do you know the meaning
of worship or the meaning of honor? Jesus our Lord being a Jew and all the Early
Christians and followers of Jesus were all Jew including Mother Mary, Jesus
subject himself to the law which were given by God to Moses at Mount Sinai, one of these commandment is Exodus 20:12

Deuteronomy
5:16. Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (RSVCE)

12
“Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long in the land
which the Lord your God gives you. Our Lord Jesus Christ religiously obeyed
these commandments. Is there something wrong to IMITATE our Lord in honoring
His Mother? Mother Mary is not God to be worshipped it’s a good Christian deeds
to honor her as we catholic always do. How do you feel if your own mother is
dishonor or disrespected? How do Jesus feel if you do not respect and honor His mother? Those scriptures you quoted read some
more of the scriptures and read them in proper context. Saint Paul put it nicely 1 Corinthians 11:1

Revised
Standard Version Catholic Edition (RSVCE)

11
1 “Be imitators of me, as I am of Christ.” To Imitate Jesus in honoring His
mother is a godly thing to do. How can
you say you love Jesus yet you disrespect His mother? How can you say that you
love Jesus yet you hate the church he founded? Uncharitable anti catholic bias
and bigotry is unchristian…..Ignorance of Scriptures is ignorance of Christ….Saint Jerome (347-420), one of the Fathers of the Church, was a most prolific writer, and defender of the Catholic Church. HisLatin Vulgate was the first Bible to contain both Old and New Testaments. He is quoted by Catholics and non-Catholics alike.”Heretics bring sentence upon themselves since they by their own choice withdraw from the Church, a withdrawal which, since they are aware of it, constitutes damnation.”
Commentaries on the Epistle to Titus, 376 A.D. 3,10 J1371a

Martin

Edward Vincent I did check my history, but I use reliable sources not fables created by Boettner, Foxe, Jack Chick or other fiction writers. To be steeped in history, is to cease to be Protestant. BTW I see nativity scenes at a lot of non-catholic “churches”. You are right we worship on the Lord’s day the day Christ rose from the dead, only a few Christians (adventistis, etc) still hold to the Jewish Sabbath. We hold to the Christ the New Adam, the New Moses, the King of the Universe. Viva Cristo Rey!

albertuz

What is your reference about the teaching of the Catholic Church that Mother Mary is god? It only prove on your comment your ignorance of what Catholicism is. To educate yourself, the Rosary is a devotional and meditational prayer meditating on the glorious, joyful, sorrowful and luminous life of our Saviour Jesus and His Mother which are found in the gospel.That is what non-Catholics say to Catholics. We should only pray to GOD, they say. But do Catholics really pray to Blessed Mary or is there something others do not understand? I would be willing to bet they do not even examine the prayers we use to ‘petition’ Blessed Mary. Have you ever heard of the word ‘intercession’? It is when we ask someone to pray for us. Lets look at a few Bible verses…

Rom 15:30, “…help me by your prayers to GOD for me.”
Col 1:9, “This is why we too have been praying for you unceasingly.”
1Thes 3:10, “Night and day we pray more and more…”
2Thes 1:11, “To this end we pray always for you.”
2Thes 3:1, “In conclusion brethren, pray for us…”
Jam 5:16, “…and pray for one another that you may be saved.”
Rev 8:3-4 “…that he may offer it with the prayers of all the saints…”
According to Scripture, are the saints in Heaven dead or alive?

The Bible is asking you to pray for one another. Have you ever asked someone to pray for you? Have you ever told someone you will pray for them? Why then, when the name of Mary is introduced, is it not to be asked of her? Was she not a created being like all the rest of us? Why can we ask everyone else to pray for us, but we can’t ask it of Mary? Does it not stand to reason that her Son would listen to her and grant her requests?
He turned water into wine at Cana just by Mary making a remark, “They have no wine”, Jn 2:3. He was subjected to her in Lk 2:51, and no doubt for many years until His ministry started at age 30. He listens to her now, just as He did then. She must have a lot more influence with Him than any of us do, since she is His mother. Now let us see if Catholics ‘pray’ to Blessed Mary.

Have you ever listened to the words of the most used Marian prayer of all, the Hail Mary?

*** “Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee.” ***
This is nothing more than the salutation of Gabriel in Luke 1:28.

*** “Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb (Jesus).” ***
That is Elizabeth’s greeting to Mary in Lk 1:42.

***”Holy Mary, mother of GOD.” ***
She is a saint which makes her holy, and she is the Mother of GOD, because Elizabeth calls her the ‘Mother of Our Lord’ in Lk 1:43. Also if you take Jn 1:1 “…and the Word was GOD’, and add it to Jn 1:14, “…and the Word was made flesh”, GOD was made flesh, and who was His mother? Mary!

*** “Pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death, amen.” ***
This is nothing more than petitioning Mary to PRAY FOR US, just like in the Bible verses I presented. Do we ‘pray to’ Mary, or are we only petitioning her to pray for us?…You have no concept of what worship and honour is all about…?
Jesus our Lord being a Jew and all the Early Christians and followers of Jesus
were all Jew including Mother Mary, Jesus subject himself to the law which were
given by God to Moses at Mount Sinai, one of
these commandment is Exodus 20:12

Deuteronomy
5:16. Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (RSVCE)

12
“Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long in the land
which the Lord your God gives you. Our Lord Jesus Christ religiously obeyed
these commandments. Is there something wrong to IMITATE our Lord in honoring
His Mother? Mother Mary is not God to be worshipped it’s a good Christian deeds
to honor her as we catholic always do. How do you feel if your own mother is
dishonor or disrespected? How do Jesus feel if you do not respect and honor His mother? Those scriptures you quoted read some
more of the scriptures and read them in proper context. Saint Paul put it nicely 1 Corinthians 11:1

Revised
Standard Version Catholic Edition (RSVCE)

11
1 “Be imitators of me, as I am of Christ.” To Imitate Jesus in honoring His
mother is a godly thing to do. How can
you say you love Jesus yet you disrespect His mother? How can you say that you
love Jesus yet you hate the church he
founded? Uncharitable anti catholic bias and bigotry is unchristian….God Bless!

Edward Vincent

Can you please copy and paste where I said that mother mary is god ?
I do not think you can so you are not reading properly ,so how can I be sure that you read the Holy Bible properly.

albertuz

I read the Holy bible properly because the Holy bible is a catholic book….Catholic books, see Synod of Rome 380, Council of Hippo 393 A.D.,
Council of Carthage 397 A.D., and were ratified by the Councils of Second
Nicaea 787 A.D, Florence 1440 A.D. and Trent 1525-46 A.D., these were the Councils
of the Catholic Church where all the books in the bible were settled and the
Canon of Scriptures were completed that is why you have a bible to read. Many
refers to the Word of God, it doesn’t necessary mean only the written
word(bible), but also the oral Tradition (Living Tradition of the Church)
@Thessalonians 2:13-15, Hebrew 11:3, Hebrew 4:12-13,Luke 4:44; 5:1, John1:1,
14, Acts 4:31, Luke 8:11-15. Some think the phrase “word of God “.
always refers to the Bible. Often it doesn’t, referring instead to Jesus
inspiration, the oral preaching of the gospel. The household of God, which is
the Church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.1Timothy
3:15. The bible is the product of the living Tradition of the Church not the
other way around. It was the Catholic Church who compiled the bible see Council
of Hippo 393 and Council of Carthage 397. Check the book Where We Got the
Bible, Our Debt to the Catholic Church by Rev. Henry G Graham, by Tan Book
publishers. Glory to God in the highest! Now if you have any other source where you get the bible how it came to be, I will be glad to read your source on how the sacred writings were canonized….”. -St. Ignatius of Antioch (ca 110 AD)a martyr later thrown to the lion”Where the bishop is, there let the people
gather; just as where ever Jesus Christ is there is the Catholic Church, wrote to a church in Asia Minor. Antioch was also where the term
“Christian” was first used.

pax2u

who asked you to step in to a Christian web site, and attack Christians?

The Last Trump

Wow. Hello POT. Meet KETTLE.

pax2u

tell us all about your crazy NWO conspiracy theories, are black helicopters included?

Brenda Brown

We are to believe in one God one Creator, Jesus did not sa y respect all religions He said in Revelation ” Come back to your first love” The Pope needs to pray for Christians who follow Gods words not a catechism rules Catholics made up!!!!!

WorldGoneCrazy

I am a fundamentalist and proud of it. The authentic Christians and Catholics I know are also fundamentalists. We believe in the fundamentals of Christianity, and we do not throw those out the window when we experience the wicked winds of post-modernism, post-shame, and liberal fascist political correctness. At just about every Catholic service, the Nicene Creed is recited, and this is a good expression of the fundamentals of Christianity, similar to Statements of Faith made by all serious Christian ministries. The most faithful and authentic Catholics, the fundamentalists of the Catholic Church, understand this creed, believe every word of it, and base their life of faith and orthopraxy upon it. Perhaps we should ask the Pope, if he does not care much for fundamentalists, if he would risk traveling on a plane piloted by someone who had not passed the fundamentals of flight? As one Catholic friend stated: “Popes come and popes go. Jesus Christ is the same forever.”

BeWhoYouAre

Once again you demonstrate that you do not understand the difference between fundamentals and fundamentalists, especially regarding airplanes and religion. The pope is quite correct to call out those who hate in the name of their Bibles.

WorldGoneCrazy

BeWhoYouArent, there are plenty of websites out there for a-theists like you. Just because you do not believe in the fundamentals of anything, except for your hate-filled Gaystapo religion, does not mean that the rest of us do not understand what fundamentalists are. Fundamentalism, in any worldview, has always meant holding fast to what are the essential doctrines of that worldview, the fundamentals of the worldview. (For you to suggest otherwise is to show an absurd grammatical deficiency.) The folks flying planes into buildings ARE holding fast to a fundamental of Islam, namely jihad. The fact that you have been brainwashed by liberal fascists into thinking that the word is necessarily negative in connotation is merely an indication of your low IQ. I know, I know: Christians bad, Muslims good. I see it on the National Barack Channel every day. 🙂

Be, Jesus hates wickedness. He hates hypocrisy – and there are no greater hypocrites alive today than liberal fascists like yourself. And, He will come in Glory to judge the living and the dead. I suggest you place your faith in Him before it is too late. Not the “abortion jesus” or the “gay jesus” that you have been brainwashed with. But, the real Jesus: the One Who is fundamental to the foundation of the world. God bless! (I tried, Lord, I tried.)

James Grimes

Don’t argue with the miscreant. Just ignore him. He’s filtering all his thoughts through his dirty underwear.

BeWhoYouAre

What’s it like to be the defender, if not the poster boy, of hatred, lies and bigotry, and doing it in the name of Jesus Christ?

The Last Trump

We give up! What’s it like?
Kidding! 😉

BeWhoYouAre

I think we all know you’ve got this area covered, Trumpy.

The Last Trump

Aww, thanks Bewhoyouare! I’m in good company. Just trying to BE WHO GOD CALLS ME TO BE remember? Not who I am. A sinner. 🙁

WorldGoneCrazy

Thanks, James – very wise advice. It is so hard for me to give up on BeInHellSoon, because only 11 years ago, I was in his same lost shoes, although I had long ago left his baby-sacrificing, liberal, extremist fundamentalism. It just KILLS me to give up on him, but Christ Jesus will always be there, should he repent. Thanks for the advice and God Bless!

BeWhoYouAre

WorldGoneFundie, are you really certain you’re in a position to lecture me about morality, when yours is so severely in the toilet? And shall we count up the number of things you’ve gotten DEMONSTRABLY wrong so far? You thought I was an American Democrat: wrong. You thought I was an atheist: wrong again. You thought I was homosexual; wrong yet again. I could go on, but I think you have the picture now that truth and facts aren’t really high on your list of priorities.

Fundamentalism, whether in Christians or in Muslims, is brain cancer. You aren’t in a position to speak on behalf of Jesus believing the hateful nonsense you do, Jesus would have no part of it. There IS no “kill the gays” Jesus, there Is no “bomb the abortion clinics” Jesus either.

There IS, however, freedom from Fundamentalist Christianity, and I can post a couple of links to help you get started if you so desire.

The Last Trump

Care to enlighten us on your “brand” of Christianity then? Is Jesus even the Son of God in your version? Is there such a thing as sin? Just wondering. You don’t have to answer if it makes you uncomfortable.

BeWhoYouAre

Jesus is love, he’s not hate, and you can’t bend his words to match your own bigotries and discriminations. I don’t know how you define sin but developing an attraction to another person and falling in love with them isn’t it.

jennylynn

This is not surprising comin from a Jesuit Priest which are militant at heart. Don’t be deceived by the political motives, that is all this is political correctness without the fear of God!

pax2u

did you hear the Pope rant about beheading everyone who disagrees with him, and his army of 80 year old dominican nuns in sensible shoes,

wow, do you really believe in conspiracy theories, or are you just paranoid

jennylynn

Maybe you are not familiar with the history of the catholic church and the Jesuits. You really shouldn’t protect an evil agenda unless you are part of that evil agenda which is becoming obvious by your trolling.

You should be familiar. You go to church with them. They think they have the monopoly on the church of Christ! Imagine!

pax2u

it is best that you are with out a church

jliles

True christians have a relationship with Jesus and his FINISHED WORK ON THE CROSS.
We do not need or want a denomination or false rules .
We are guided by the holy spirit not a false prohet called the Pope.

pax2u

I am happy that those who hate Christians are always alone

by the way what is your denomination?

The Last Trump

Looks like Christian. So anti-Catholic. 🙂

pax2u

is that part of your NWO bible conspiracy theories, tell all here

The Last Trump

It is best that you are without friends. 🙁

pax2u

tell us about your NWO bible conspiracy theories, really is this part of the seventh day adventist church?

pax2u

is it in your jack chick hate comic book? I pray for your eternal soul

The Last Trump

There is no maybe about it. The guy doesn’t have a freakin’ clue about his own denomination. Ignore him. Eventually he stumbles off.

jennylynn

Yea, he seems to linger on these sites. Not worth the time. 🙂

pax2u

watch out for the new age, anti stellar demons, jenny lynn

jennylynn

Know Your Enemy (Part 35 – The Jesuit Oath)
youtube.com

pax2u

you do know that the (false) Jesuit Oath, was made up by the KKK to attack Catholics

do you also believe in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion?

jennylynn

Is satan using you to to troll people who are exposing evil?

pax2u

are you a Christian, jenny lynn or are Christians your enemy?

The Last Trump

Chances are, if you don’t like her she’s most definitely a Christian! Good to see you here, jennylynn! Just ignore the hater. 🙁

Christians, trumpet, those who believe in Jesus Christ.
what are your NWO bible conspiracies?

pax2u

tell us about your NWO Bible conspiracy theories

pax2u

you are not using me jennylynn, I worship Jesus Christ, and call out bigots filled with hatred of Christians

The Last Trump

Do you read that in your comic books, Paxy?

jennylynn

Paxy is wearing some serious red horns.

pax2u

jennylynn is an anti Christian conspiracy theory, wack job

is she a Christian? or just a hateful bigot?

pax2u

I do not base my theology on a hate filled comic book

The Last Trump

No? Just a hate filled church then?

pax2u

is that part of your Biblical NWO crazy conspiracy theories?

jennylynn

Know Your Enemy -Jesuits and the Vatican – YouTube
m.youtube.com/watch?v=5YqCn5kCgiY
Jan 13, 2011 · “The Jesuits are a MILITARY organization, not a religious order. Their chief is a general of an army, not …

pax2u

the Klu klux klan are protestants, are all protestants in the klan?

jennylynn

If a group named PAX2U burned a bunch of people and claimed to be Christian would that make it true? Of course not. You will know them by their fruit.

pax2u

so are Catholics your enemy jennylynn or is it the Jewish Rothschild bankers?

The Last Trump

Paxy, stop pestering the Christians. Back to confessional, little buddy.

pax2u

then you are not being pestered,

The Last Trump

Got that right. 🙂

pax2u

tell us about your NWO Bible conspiracies

pax2u

how much tin foil do you put on your head to protect you from your NWO bible conspiracy theories?

Know Your Enemy Part 36 – Jesuit Deception – By The Fuel Project
m.youtube.com/watch?v=yZfyxSrRwvs Aug 16, 2012 · Uploaded by TheFuelProject on May 4, 2011 Series exploring the coming New World Order from a Christian …

pax2u

Muslim terrorists want to kill Christians, and do you think that Catholics are really your enemy, or is everyone your enemy

I pray for you

jennylynn

Are you trollling again? we already went through this in another article. The enemy is satan using the catholic pope as his puppet. Maybe you will get it this time around. :)))

pax2u

jennylynn do you also believe in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, it is another crazy conspiracy theory,

what is your denomination Jennylynn, or do you just hate Catholics, and Jews

The Last Trump

Paxy, why does your Pope support terrorism? Do you have an answer, Paxy? Or shall we change the subject yet again?

pax2u

the Pope has spoken out against Islamic Terrorism,

what has your denomination done, oh that is right, nothing

The Last Trump

Yes he has spoken out hasn’t he? He’s said LET’S JOIN “EM! What a kook!

pax2u

what does your church say, or are you alone

The Last Trump

I don’t listen to churches. I follow the Word of God. Sad that you follow mere men. 🙁

pax2u

and you do not listen to God, is Alex Jones your NWO conspiracy theory God, wow, crazy is as crazy does

The Last Trump

Yes, You do, don’t you! 🙂

pax2u

true I listen to God

tell us about your crazy NWO bible conspiracies, is this why you have no church? were you kicked out as a conspiracy theory nut. or is it just an SDA thing?

The Last Trump

What’s your “god” telling you to do now? Troll Christian websites and harass who you find, embarrassing yourself in the process? No wonder you’re in a church that only seats two. Say hi to Militant Master Projector for us, will ya! Thanks my little anti-Christian stalker buddy! 😉

pax2u

which NWO bible conspiracy theories can you all tell us about?

pax2u

my God is Jesus Christ

what is your God?

The Last Trump

“You shall tell them by their fruit”. Sorry, little buddy. You’re not even close. 🙁

pax2u

I forgive you and wish you no harm,
Christian blessings to you and yours

Magister_militum_praesentalis

It is very ironic that you project “Projector” into my name at that same time that you are projecting about your practices.

The Last Trump

Nice projection.

Magister_militum_praesentalis

Wasn’t the NWO a professional wrestling stable from the mid-1990’s that included Hulk Hogan after he turned?

The Last Trump

Doubt the Bible’s teaching do you? Shocker.

Magister_militum_praesentalis

There is no NWO in the Bible. That is why I asked if she was referring to big-time wrasslin’.

The Last Trump

Please list your reasons for declaring falsely that there is no NWO depicted in the Bible. Thank you.

Magister_militum_praesentalis

That is begging the question. Back to that tactic again?

The Last Trump

?????? Are you nuts? You made a statement. For once! Now back it up. Why do you say there is no NWO? Wow. It can’t get any simpler than that. Begging the question!? How ridiculous a cop out can you get! Ahh well. Can’t say I’m surprised. Statements without evidence seems to be the MO of some. 🙁

Magister_militum_praesentalis

Speaking of being driven crazy. It was begging the question. It is not my problem that you cannot formulate a coherent idea without framing it in logical fallacies.

The Last Trump

Well, there you have it ladies and gents. Jennylynn 1. Mr. Master Projector 0. By his own failure, once again, to support HIS OWN arguments! But he sure is quick to attack others, isn’t he! Sad. Move along, babbler. You have nothing of value to add to this discussion, once again. 🙁

Magister_militum_praesentalis

You are beginning to froth a bit. I am under no obligation to answer your juvenile question begging, except to say: “Have you stopped beating your spouse lately?” Come on, we have been through this before.

The Last Trump

Huh. Four posts now, and not a single point. Truly amazing gift for wasting people’s time. Yes, we have been through this before. Way too many times. Feel free to address your own attack on Jennylynn anytime. “Under no obligation”! Pathetic. Your typical response. Nothing ever to say? Other than attack the factual comments of others. And then sheepishly declare “I’m under no obligation to answer”. You and Pax2u were made for each other. I think this is where you say, “it is best that you are alone, it is best you are SDA. Yes, it is best” Move along, Christian troller. Jennylynn’s way out of your class. She actually has something intelligent to say and backs it up with evidence. In fact, maybe you should stick around. You might finally learn something. And say Hi to Pax for us, will ya.

Magister_militum_praesentalis

You have the audacity to call me a “Christian troller?” Physician, Dr. Projector, heal thyself. Get on your stead and charge forth to white-knight Jennylynn, your damsel in distress.

The Last Trump

Five posts in a row….with nothing still. Shameful. 🙁

Magister_militum_praesentalis

Is Pax2u not online right now? I cannot think of any other reason you would be in here trolling me at the moment.

The Last Trump

Six…

pax2u

I think it is an honor to be a target of those who hate Christians

it is interesting that those who attack Catholics, almost never have a Christian denomination, I think that their theology is hatred of Catholics

pax2u

watch our for demo on this topic

he wants to be prayed to, he thinks that he is a god, but he is not the God

that and crazy tumpy with the NWO Bible conspiracies, wow the lunatic fringe are out

Edward Vincent

@The last trump,
Isn,t it funny some people cannot see the wood for the trees ,
Magister ,Has not read his history on christians and the catholics Martin Luther was burned at the stake because he spread the gospel of Jesus Christ from the Holy Bible , and who did it The catholics ( ,Jealousy ) among the bishops knowing the common people were getting to know the truth from the Bible.

Martin

Edward Vincent did you just claim Martin Luther was burned at the stake? Ummm me thinks you need to brush up on your history, or at least your truth telling.

pax2u

oh come on, it is much more fun just to make up crazy things

we have the NWO conspiracy theorists the Trump and the New Age cosmic visionaries like Heidi K, oh, and then their is Demo wants to know why he is not prayed to as God

The Last Trump

And a guy who thinks his Pope is God and Mary answers prayers! Nutjobs! 🙂

pax2u

which person in the Bible is your NWO conspirator?

pax2u

sad that you lie about what Christians believe, since you have no church

The Last Trump

Sad that you call truth lies. Sad that you are deceived.

pax2u

Christians pray for those who attack their faith, and I pray for you

The Last Trump

SDA’s must be praying for you daily! And Protestants…and Baptists…and Pentecostals…and….

pax2u

you may hate me and attack me but I will forgive you
blessings to you and yours

James Grimes

Let’s see… you’re only saying this because you don’t have a church; you don’t have a denomination; you’re alone; you’re a bigot; you’re a hater; you’re a liar; you attack Catholics; you don’t like the Pope; you misunderstand the adoration of Mary; etc… Did I miss anything that Paxy has accused you of? Aren’t you glad that you are grown up and are not under the childish influences he is under? I will tell you one thing though – for a Christian site, we have a large number of nut cases that come out of the woodwork to make nuisances of themselves. Geez, I can wait for the childlike response I will get from the nutjob.
Have a great day and stay strong in the faith.

The Last Trump

Hello James! Yes, Pax and I have been going at each other pretty good, the last few days. However, yesterday he actually sincerely apologized for his behaviour and wished me well. Actually shocked me and made me ashamed of my own behaviour, which I too apologized for. His temper got the better of him (as happens to us all) and he was just trying to defend the church he feels so passionately about. We can’t really fault him for that, can we? He is a fellow follower of Christ and although we may differ about some specifics of doctrine, we are all united in that. I reminded him that we were merely warning denominations, including Catholics, to be wary of any church traditions that violate scripture. Not simply attacking his beliefs. I sincerely hope that we can look forward to some meaningful discussions with Pax2u in the future.
Keep up the good fight, brother! 🙂
Here’s the link to our discussion. Christianity at its finest, bringing people together!https://disqus.com/home/discussion/christiannewsnetwork/rick_warren8217s_call_for_christians_to_unite_with_catholics_8216holy_father8217_raising_concerns/#comment-1729329573

James Grimes

Thanks for the reply. Have a blessed day. Tomorrow is a new day with new opportunities. May the Lord continue to provide.

pax2u

I wish you well, merry Christmas

Edward Vincent

Well I wasn,t refering to martin luther KING?.

pax2u

wow, how crazy can the lunatic fringe get, looking for the New World Order in the Bible? it is right there with the illuminati, the Bilderburgers, and the Boheminan grove,

what is next the Protocols of the Elders of Zion,

or Martin Luther’s hate filled book “on the Jews and their Lies”

now I really know why the lunatic fringe are alone

let me ask was 9/11 a conspiracy also?

the wackos are out

The Last Trump

Apparently. Welcome back Pax. You wacko. 🙂

pax2u

yes tell us about your conspiracies in the Bible?

The Last Trump

“Us” Paxy? Do you need an exorcist?

pax2u

Christians, trumpy, what are the Bible conspiracies ?

pax2u

Christians, trumpletsy, tell us about your NWO conspiracy theories

pax2u

it appears that crazy conspiracy theories are also part of the lunatic fringe, notice jennylynn is obsessed with the Jesuits, and the Rothschilds, which is a crazy code word for the evil jewish bankers

Magister_militum_praesentalis

Yep, that is usually the conspiratorial pattern. I wonder why The Last Trump wants to be associated with such tin-foil hattery?

pax2u

I had this exchange with the Demo

pax2u 2 hours ago

I do not pray to you

Demopublicrat 2 hours ago

Why not?

pax2u

I think that their tin foil hats are wrapped too tight

Neiman

The New World Order is in the Bible. When the Anti-Christ rises to power and forces everyone to take the mark of the beast or they will not be able to buy or sell, like food or water or medical care. That is the One-World Government, the New World Order.

The Last Trump

“And in the days of these (ten) kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.” (Daniel 2:44).

“And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no power as yet but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.” (Rev. 17:12-13).

“And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.” (Rev. 13:16).

Hmmm. Ten kings who give their power over to one man. Who has ALL power and authority over ALL people. Yeah. Definitely NO New World Order on our horizon! Don’t anybody bother trying to explain it to folks like Pax and MMP. Let them dust off their Bibles and find out for themselves. Time for them to stop hanging off every word from their Pope and actually study the scriptures for a change.
“And Jesus answering them said, Take heed lest any MAN deceive you!” And that, dear Catholics, includes Popes.
God bless, Neiman! Keep up the good fight. 🙂

Magister_militum_praesentalis

I see your latest strategy is to reference me in the third person and not directly.

The Last Trump

I see you still have nothing of any value to comment on. 🙁

pax2u

I think that both trumpy and Neumannnnnnnnnnnnnnn are delusional

I find it fascinating that trumpy believes in NWO conspiracy theories in the Bible, may be she reads black helicopters, flouride in the water, and chemtrails in the Bible

we should invest in Alco Aluminium because they must buy alot of tin foil to make their hats

pax2u

hey, Trumpy, above your house what is that noise, is it an old testament black helicopter, NO. NO it the Pope’s super duper secret drone,

controlled by the left handed albino Jesuits assassin monks, from the bottom, bottom, bottom basement of the Vatican using the Pope’s super super duper duper Computer, the one with all of the names and addresses of the Protestants of the World

the Pope’s super duper drone is RIGHT NOW, spraying your house with HOLY WATER, performing and exorcism on you

for trumpy and NEUMANNNNNNNNNNN this is sarcasm , just in case you really believe

Trumpy no one doubts that you are crazed, no you have proven that to be a fact

thank you for being useful and being the face of the crazed anti Catholic

you are serving a purpose, even if you do not realize it

The Last Trump

Hee, hee! Paxy, it’s good to see we’re driving you freakin’ CRAZY! We’re all you can think about! And you’re so entertaining! Spraying my house with Holy water! 🙂 Thank you for coming up with some original stuff. “Sad you are alone” and “sad that you have no denomination” was getting old. “Welcome to America. I hope you don’t get deported!” was my favorite, though! Still cracks me up. Deported! For not being Catholic! Ha! You’re the best so-called Christian who doubts the Word of God, believes in evolution, embraces homosexuality, and joins with the Pope in the worship of Allah. Don’t ever change you, loyal Catholic, you! 🙂

pax2u

when did you start with your NWO Bible conspiracy theories

jennylynn

1 John 2:22-23
who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ. This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son. He who denies the Son does not have the Father, He who confesses the Son has the Father also.

Martin

Francis did not deny Jesus is the Christ get your story straight otherwise you are guilty of a serious sin, and you will be condemned.

jennylynn

“As previously reported, Francis took off his shoes, folded his hands and bowed his head inside of the mosque on Saturday, standing silently next to Rahmi Yaran, who serves as the nation’s highest Islamic leader as grand mufti. The two faced Mecca as Yaran prayed with his palms raised.”
First of all Islam denies God has a son and is calling God a liar. The pope unites with them and prays in their mosque therefore denying Christ. When you unite with antichrist you deny God! You can defend him if you want but you are denying the facts that the pope is ecumenical and cares more about pleasing man than standing for Jesus Christ and His word. You are in danger yourself of heresy for buying into it.

Martin

Just curious. Do you support Israel? Do you approve of evangelicals displaying the flag of Israel and wearing Jewish prayer shawls and saying they support israel especially since Jews deny God has a son.

jennylynn

First of all Jews do not deny God has a Son. Where did you get that from. The ones who were blinded are still waiting for Him. And yes I do support Israel. And if you are wise you will too. Romans 11:18- 20 do not be arrogant toward the branches( Israel); but if you are arrogant remember that it is not you who supports the root, but the root supports you. You will say “branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear; for if God did not spare the natural branches (Israel) neither will He spare you.”
I would recommend reading ALL of chapter 11 and the rest of the Bible. The Catholic Church along with the pope are leading many into judgement with God with their anti semitism. This has been a grave historical error. God is not finished with Israel.

Martin

The Jews worship one God. God has no equal they deny Jesus is the messiah the Son of God. Shema Israel: “hear o Israel the Lord our God is One.” They deny Jesus so why do you support them? The Jews killed Christians too. Read the book of ACTS

jennylynn

Really? What about the 12 disciples they were Jewish? what about Nicodemos and and Josephe of Aramathea, weren’t they Jewish? You have to remember the first century Christians were all Jews. Furthermore not all denied a Messiah, they denied The Messiah. John 10:24 ” The Jews gathered around Him(Jesus) and were saying to Him “How long will You keep us in suspense? If you are the Christ, tell us plainly.” Jesus answered them, ” I told you, and you do not believe the works tthat I do in My Fathers name, these bear witness of Me. But you do not believe BECAUSE you are not My sheep.”
They knew from the prophesies that the Messiah was coming and yet rejected Him because they did not want to lose power and status with the people. They cared more about pleasing man (like the pope) than pleasing God. Most were waiting for the coming Messiah like Simeon and many others. They knew the prophecies of Isaiah 53, Isaiah 7 and 9. But like many people who claim they are Christians and have a Bible but fail to read it and search it out like the Bereans. So they will be lead astray because of lack of knowledge. Isaiah 5:13
Furthermore the scripture you quoted from Deuteronomy 6:4 was also quoted by Jesus in Mark 12:29. This was not the Jews denying that God has a Son. If you know the doctrine of the Trinity you will understand. Jesus was quoting from the moral Law which said to have no other gods before Him.

Martin

Yes and Jesus was Jewish as well. He followed the traditions of the Chosen People and clarified others. Later, after Jesus died and rose from the dead, Jews that believed in Jesus were kicked out of the synagogue and eventually called “Christians” in Antioch. it is all documented in the book of Acts. So you are saying Jews believe in the Trinity? If you have any Jewish friends can you ask them if they believe in God’s Son, or if they believe in the Trinity? I think you will be surprised that they will say “no”. I think you are really confused, but I hope you are able to get some clarification on the issue.

jennylynn

I am not sure what you are trying to prove? The book of Acts does not teach replacement theology. You need to rightly divide the word of truth 2 timothy 2:15. You need to read the whole council of God.
The word “trinity” is not in the Bible. Are you saying the Jews deny the Father, the Messiah and Holy Spirit? That might be true of some Jews, but you can not say that of all Jews. There are different groups of Jews and they follow different oral traditions. I think you are just avoiding the whole point and trying to deviate from the facts. Replacement theology is a false teaching. The Catholic Church is in ecumenical opostacy and you are dancing around the Bible. Furthermore, Jesus did not follow traditions of men he confronted them.

“thus making void the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And many such things you do.” making void the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And many such things you do.” Mark 7:13.

Martin

I’ve never heard the term replacement theology that must be a Protestant term.. However I was pointing out simply that you were calling the Pope the Antichrist because he prayed with people who deny that Jesus is the Son of God, but he also prayed in the Jewish synagogue with Jews who also deny that Jesus is the Son of God so I just felt that was kind of hypocritical of you.

jennylynn

No, I did not call the pope the antichrist. I was referring to Islam who he was praying with. This should never happen if someone loves Jesus. Though what the pope is doing is blasphemous.
Have no fellowship with the unfruitful deeds of darkness but rather expose them. Ephesians 5:11. The pope embraces them. If he cared about people he woul want to save them from bondage they are under.

What is replacement theology?
by Matt Slick

Replacement theology is the teaching that the Christian church has replaced national Israel regarding the plan, purpose, and promises of God.

Therefore, many of the promises that God made to Israel must be spiritualized. For example, when it speaks of Israel being restored to the land, this really means that the Christian church will be blessed. Also, covenants made with Israel are fulfilled in the Christian church so, for example,

The Jewish people are no longer God’s chosen people. Instead, the Christian church now makes up God’s chosen people.
In the New Testament after Pentecost, the term “Israel” refers to the church.
The Mosaic covenant (Exodus 20) is replaced by the new covenant (Luke 22:20).
Actual circumcision is replaced by a circumcision of the heart (Rom. 2:29).
So, in replacement theology the church has replaced Israel as the primary means by which the world is blessed by God’s work. Though it is true that the church does replace Israel in some areas such as properly representing God on earth, acknowledging the promise of the Messiah, etc., it is not biblical to say that God is completely done with Israel and that the Christian church is its complete replacement.

“For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery, lest you be wise in your own estimation, that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in; 26 and thus all Israel will be saved; just as it is written, ‘The Deliverer will come from Zion, he will remove ungodliness from Jacob.’” (Rom. 11:25-26).

Some replacement theologians would teach that any mention of “Israel” after Acts chapter 2 (Pentecost) would be referring to the Christian church, but the above Scripture cannot be used to support that idea. In fact, it plainly contradicts it. Obviously, God is not done with Israel. The text tells us that God has hardened Israel, but it also tells that disheartening is temporary.

Replacement theology is also known as supersessionism which means that the Christian church has superceded Israel in God’s plan.

Martin

Thanks for that insightful explanation from Matt Slick, now I know what you are talking about, I guess then you would support this recent quote: “We hold the Jewish people in special regard because their covenant with God has never been revoked, for ‘the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable’ (Rom 11:29). The Church, which shares with Jews an important part of the sacred Scriptures, looks upon the people of the covenant and their faith as one of the sacred roots of her own Christian identity (cf. Rom 11:16-18). As Christians, we cannot consider Judaism as a foreign religion; nor do we include the Jews among those called to turn from idols and to serve the true God (cf. 1 Thes 1:9).” Evangelii Gaudium, Pope Francis.

Martin

The Church teaches that there is an integral continuity between the covenants rather than a rupture.
In the Second Vatican Council’s Lumen Gentium (1964), the Church stated that God “chose the race of Israel as a people” and “set up a covenant” with them, instructing them and making them holy. However, “all these things…. were done by way of preparation and as a figure of that new and perfect covenant” instituted by and ratified in Christ (no. 9).
-Wikipedia
I am learning something, there is “hard” and “soft” supersessionism. I think most non-Catholic Christians hold to the supersessionist view from what I understand. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supersessionism

Of the four, the only 2 and 4 continue, since they refer exclusively to Christ, and thus they transition into the New Covenant. (cf. Hebrews 11:8-19; Rom 4:1-22)

1 and 3 were fulfilled in the Old Testament and have no continuation into the New Covenant. In other words, they are “revoked.” (cf. Neh 9:7-8; Josh 21:43-45; 1 Kings 8:56 cf. Hebrews 7:18; 8:1-13; 10:9; 2Cor 3:6-14; Col 2:14-15)

jennylynn

Wrong! Jeremiah 31 the New Covenat of Israel

jennylynn

Isaiah 62 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

Zion’s Glory and New Name
62 For Zion’s sake I will not keep silent,
And for Jerusalem’s sake I will not keep quiet,
Until her righteousness goes forth like brightness,
And her salvation like a torch that is burning.
2 The nations will see your righteousness,
And all kings your glory;
And you will be called by a new name
Which the mouth of the Lord will designate.
3 You will also be a crown of beauty in the hand of the Lord,
And a royal [a]diadem in the hand of your God.
4 It will no longer be said to you, “[b]Forsaken,”
Nor to your land will it any longer be said, “[c]Desolate”;
But you will be called, “[d]My delight is in her,”
And your land, “[e]Married”;
For the Lord delights in you,
And to Him your land will be married.
5 For as a young man marries a virgin,
So your sons will marry you;
And as the [f]bridegroom rejoices over the bride,
So your God will rejoice over you.
6 On your walls, O Jerusalem, I have appointed watchmen;
All day and all night they will never keep silent.
You who remind the Lord, take no rest for yourselves;
7 And give Him no rest until He establishes
And makes Jerusalem a praise in the earth.
8 The Lord has sworn by His right hand and by His strong arm,
“I will never again give your grain as food for your enemies;
Nor will [g]foreigners drink your new wine for which you have labored.”
9 But those who garner it will eat it and praise the Lord;
And those who gather it will drink it in the courts of My sanctuary.
10 Go through, go through the gates,
Clear the way [h]for the people;
Build up, build up the highway,
Remove the stones, lift up a standard over the peoples.
11 Behold, the Lord has proclaimed to the end of the earth,
Say to the daughter of Zion, “Lo, your salvation comes;
Behold His reward is with Him, and His recompense before Him.”
12 And they will call them, “The holy people,
The redeemed of the Lord”;
And you will be called, “Sought out, a city not forsaken.”

jennylynn

Hi Martin,
Interesting link. Thank you. Some things I agree with and some I don’t. He mentioned the church as the “New Jerusalem” which is faulty hermaneutics. Revelation 21 is very descriptive with measurements etc. The church does not fit the description nor is it biblical to stretch God’s word to make it fit an ideaology. Also I am not sure if you are aware of “Kingdom Dominionism” or “Christian Reconstructionism” another false teaching in the church, big in the catholic church which basically teaches that biblical christianity will rule all areas of society, personal and corporate. They reason that they will reconstruct the law of God as preached in the gospel of the”great commission”. Those who hold these views believe it is the duty of Christians to create a worldwide kingdom patterned after the mosaic law. They believe that Christ will not return until such kingdom has been established, thus you have a twisting of the literal 1000 years in scripture. It does not fit the catholic viewpoint and the Christians who follow this false teaching. It is largely based on post-mill view of covenantalism. The problem with this is that they rest on a distorted view of scripture. Scripture clearly teaches a premillennnial view of the Kingdom of God. (Zch.14-4-9, matt. 25:31-34, Ps. 24:1-10; 72:1-20, Is. 2:1; 11:5-10 and many more. It does not surprise me that the catholic church has changed thoughout the centuries over and over of it’s views. They want to appease and compromise with all religions and thus you see the ecumenical order which will lead the church into worshiping the anti-christ. I would encourage you to really look at these scriptures with out a biased view from the RCC. Furthermore the church is the bride of Christ not the New Jerusalem. Revelation 19:7-10. Another faulty usage of scripture. Remember the catholic church tried to keep the word of God from people thinking the word of God was only for them, which Luther countered. Basically keeping many catholics Bible illiterate. I hope that is not the case for you. Anyways the rest of my thought are too many for a blog. I pray you will do further study and if not, God bless anyway.

Martin

Thanks noticed you used some faulty history regarding the church, I dont really blame you because I have heard large scale revisionism coming from many a protestant pulpit and writings. The church does not have an official teaching regarding millennialism because this is mostly a 19th century protestant preoccupation. Beginning with Darby. I am glad this is helping you read the scriptures more just get careful of omega codes among other faulty reasoning and teaching. God bless you.

jennylynn

Hi Martin,
First of all I don’t get my information from the pulpits. And Darby was a false teacher who brought in the pre-trib doctrine which is not biblical. The reason I was trying to show you that the Catholic Church was rooted in dominionism is because of your stance on Israel. Here is some history on Dominionism and where it is rooted.
End of quote

Here Is a Short History Of The Origins Of Dominionism.
The roots of Dominionism are traced back to Ambrose of Milan (338-397), who influenced Augustine, (354-430) the theological father of what we know today as Roman Catholicism as well as Reformed Theology. Ambrose believed that the church should exert political authority over the state so that the courts and government would reflect the morality and ethics teachings of the church. The Reformers did not go completely back to the Bible but rather went back to the root of the problem, Augustine of Hippo. There was an urgency to preserve unity within the church, so Augustine called for the Council of Nicea which began what is known as Erastianism (i.e., the sins of Christians should be punished by the state, and not by the church withholding the sacraments). The result of all of this being that political dominion could now be exercised by civil authorities over the church. Hence, the term dominionism.
Both Martin Luther (1483-1546) and John Calvin (1509-1564) were ardent students of Augustine theology. In 1540 Calvin set about revolutionizing Genevan society. His most important innovation was the incorporation of the church into city government; he immediately helped to restructure municipal government so that clergy would be involved in municipal decisions, particularly in disciplining the populace. He imposed an hierarchy on the Genevan church and began a series of statute reforms to impose a strict and uncompromising moral code on the city.
Some argue that doctrine is a matter of personal choice … an opinion that is dear to you. But isn’t it logical to say that history is not a matter of opinion. History says there were no Preterists or Dominionists during the first 350 years of church history. These doctrines were the works of men whose names do not roll off our tongues easily, men who were Catholic Bishops. If a theology, doctrine, or tradition was not found in the writings of the early church fathers and historians, we can conclude that they are not scripturally valid, assuming that the first century model for the church is the only model sanctioned by the early apostles. Again, that is not an opinion, that is just a historical fact. Diversity is healthy, but it must also have historical support as well as Scriptural support to not be erroneous or heretical. All the early church fathers were pre-millennial. You know there is a lot of error out there, and in all probability you and I, and every Christian, has some error in our teachings. I can handle error, but I draw the line at heresy, don’t you?
The branch of Dominionism we are addressing here essentially seeks to establish God’s Kingdom on the earth now by political or radical activism. They believe that Jesus can’t come back until they have conquered the earth in His name and subdued all of God’s enemies. Four centuries after Calvin, it has become popular in Charismatic and Pentecostal movements in the U.S. and the U. K.; they are trying to establish God’s kingdom here on earth, and deny the rapture. Do a Google search on “John Calvin’s Dominionism” for more documentation. Here is an example at the top of the list: http://fanaticforjesus.blogspot.com/2011/09/rick-joyner-founding-fathers-were.html. The below links to Jack Prasch sermons will also provide scholarly documentation.
I really resisted the reports that the most militant form of Dominionism is coming out of what is called the Religious Right, because I strongly identify with that label. Finally I could see that the evangelistic fervor and the Pentecostal doctrine that says all of the 2 Corinthians 12 gifts and Ephesians 4:11 five fold ministries (something else I am a part of) are still with us today combined with Dominionism makes for a volatile mix. And Peter Wagner also identifies with both of those camps. Some Dominionists liken the New Testament Kingdom to the Old Testament Israel in ways that justify taking up the sword, or other methods of punitive judgment, to war against enemies of their kingdom. These militant Dominionists teach that men can be coerced or compelled to enter the kingdom.

Rick Joyner in a special recognition ceremony of the Rome endorsed Knights of Malta.
The same person who wonders why Christian folks and unbelievers are concerned about his form of dominionism
They consider us Premillinnialist/Futurists to be among those enemies.
33 Then Pilate entered the Praetorium again, called Jesus, and said to Him, “Are You the King of the Jews?”
34 Jesus answered him, “Are you speaking for yourself about this, or did others tell you this concerning Me?”
35 Pilate answered, “Am I a Jew? Your own nation and the chief priests have delivered You to me. What have You done?”
36 Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here.”
37 Pilate therefore said to Him, “Are You a king then?” Jesus answered, “You say rightly that I am a king. For this cause I was born, and for this cause I have come into the world, that I should bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears My voice.” John 18:33-37
They assign to the Church duties and rights that belong scripturally only to Jesus Christ. This includes the esoteric belief that believers can “incarnate” Christ and function as His supreme authority on Earth to establish His kingdom rule. An inordinate emphasis is placed on man’s efforts; the doctrine of the sovereignty of God is diminished.
In Peter Wagner’s Dominion theology the first item of business is to have absolute dominion over their followers. The word “dominion” means to dominate, to use their “Joel’s Army” to enforce complete control, to be punished if you do not submit to the leaders assigned to you, and to the party line they lay down for not just their followers, but to ALL of society…world wide.

Around 1988-1994 Dominion Theology became linked with some Charismatics. Gary North may have gotten the ball rolling by dedicating one of his books to a Charismatic leader.

Martin

“According to Wikipedia Dominionism is the idea that Christians should work toward either a nation governed by Christians or one governed by a conservative Christian understanding of biblical law. At least under this name, it exists primarily among non-mainstream Protestants in the United States. ”
This is primarily why I have never heard any of your terms; they simply don’t exist in Apostolic Catholic theology, it came very recent in Protestant theology. It is interesting but not part of the historic Christian Church, therefore it is simply a interesting preoccupation for you guys. I will look into your post, but it would simply be as a curiousity. Thanks anyway.

jennylynn

Yes, many christian churches are now holding to this false doctrine. It is fairly new and has its roots in Catholicism. Just because the RC church does not tell you what they adhere to, doesn’t mean that it is not apart of their theology. As you see a growing ecumenical movement leading to a one world religion you will see much more compromise in the Christian church to non biblical doctrines. The churches are merging with Islam/chrislam, Catholicism/emergent, Hinduism, etc. My passion is apologetics so I study false teachings to warn others.
Blessings!

Martin

What a coincidence! I also have a passion for apologetics which is why I often come here to this website because they often get their information wrong when it comes to the Church (history, news, theology, doctrine, etc). I feel like I have to correct the mistakes, haha. What is emergent? it is an adjective so it is not grammatically correct to put it after a back slash, but it is a curious term.

Martin

just quickly looking over your post I would correct the historian who said that Agustin call the Council of Nicea it was actually the Emperor Constantine in the year 325 AD.

jennylynn

So who are you going to follow? Jesus or the pope? or because you want to say Jews killed Christians, is this your justification for your hatred? We are called to pray for those who persecute us and those who hate us. That is a command!

Martin

Jenny I’m just pointing out your hypoCrisy that’s all. This is why are angry you are misled and when someone shows ypu that you are wrong you say it is hatred. We pray for the jewish people as our elder brothers. The church is the New Israel.

jennylynn

Replacement theology is a false teaching. And I am not the one subscribing to ecumenism with Islam, neither are the Jews. Again I would recommend that you Read Romans 11, to understand that God is not finished with Israeil nor is the church the New Israel (replacement theology).
Furthermore if you study other passages and see if the church fits it might help you with your understanding.

I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and wll plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land. Joel 3:2
Now this end time prophecy is for Israel and you can NOT fit the church into that passage whatsoever. Againg replacement theology is a herecy and you will answer to God for turning against Israel.Zephaniah 3:12, Zechariah 14

truthnothate

I don’t support any religion, is the opium of the ignorant masses.

Martin

Sounds like your a little ignorant yourself.

truthnothate

Am I? throw some fact here please then we can discuss them.

Martin

Why should I? You’re the one who made the weak Karl Marx quote.

truthnothate

LOL..Karl Marx? really..wait got to go all the way to the corner to laugh

Martin

I’m sorry I thought everyone knew that karl marx called religion “the opium” of the people. Glad to see your ignorance is bliss. Lol

BeWhoYouAre

Once again, this headline is very slanted. The pope’s title is Pope Francis. It is NOT ‘Pope Francis’ – editorializing with disapproving quote marks just makes this site look bad.

Streetiebird

Even though this article is clearly just hate-bait for the anti-muslim crowd in the audience, I agree with the pope on this one.

Now I will brace myself for all the hate and rage inevitably coming my way.

pax2u

thank you for your post
the Pope speaks against terrorism
the Pope speaks for freedom of religion

and “christians” attack the Pope

Neiman

This Pope, is a False Prophet, he plays the humble Pope, while he is busy, as was his predecessor, in building a one-world religion. To accomplish this lying is his first language mixed with plenty of compromising of God’s Word.

pax2u

is that what your denomination teaches?

what is the name of your denomination?

pax2u

the Pope speaks for freedom of religion as those who have no religion or denomination attack the Pope

The pope didn’t say one thing in this video I disagreed with. I’m not sure why this story is posted here, clearly christiannews.net has a strong anti-Catholic bias which is odd to me because it’s the largest group of Christians on the planet.

pax2u

very true,

“There are not one hundred people in the United States who hate The Catholic Church, but there are millions who hate what they wrongly perceive the Catholic Church to be.”
― Fulton J. Sheen

Neiman

I loathe the idea of engaging you at all, but as I hate lies, I must do so for the sake of others:

To those reading BeWhoYouAre’s post, this is directed at you.

1. christiannews.net only reports stories from the daily news that impact the Christian faith, most often word for word from reputable news sources.
2. As they do not editorialize in their actual articles, only posting the comments of others, there is no anti-Catholic bias by christiannews.
3. Just saying the Roman Catholic Church is the largest group of Christians on the planet, does not make it so, that is the bias of the person making that statement, not fact. While there are some genuine Christians in the RCC, albeit ignorant of the lies of that worldly organization; the teachings thereof are almost wholly anti-Christ and that includes this wholly false, ignorant statement by this Pope about Islam not being equated with violence, it is a wholly violent and pagan religion.
4. Of course the Pope did not say anything the author of the post disagreed with, as he has no allegiance to Christ or love of the Truth.

but, Neumannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn, your lies, hatred and bigotry must be exposed

1.2 billion Catholic Christians out of a total of 2 billion Christians

and you have no denomination

now you are saying that the author of a christiannews.net post has no allegiance to Christ or love of the Truth? wow, just wow

Neiman

More of your constant, pathological lying. The author of the post I replied to was you pal BeWhoYouAre, not christian news and you knew that, but your hate forces you to lie.

pax2u

Poor little Neumannnnnnnnnnnn filled of hatred of Christians
alone with no denomination or church
and your seventh day adventist is not protecting you

why do you not attack this Christian website, oh that is right you hate Christians

The Last Trump

You rang again, Paxmuffin? Did you have anything intelligent you wished to say or were you just craving attention again? No. We didn’t think so. 🙁

pax2u

so how is it that the NWO bible conspiracies began, were there black helicopters in the Old Testament?

The Last Trump

You’ve NEVER read the Old Testament? Why am I not surprised. “But the Pope tells me what I need to know….” Brother!

pax2u

sorry, but yes I have read the entire Bible, including the books that luther deleted

The Last Trump

And you didn’t notice anything that resembled a new world order? What’s in these Jack Chick Catholic Bibles of yours, Paxy? Try turning it right-side up this time, little buddy! (yeeesh! It’s no wonder you were so easily duped into believing in the MAGIC of evolution!)

pax2u

feel free to attack me and hate me, and I will always forgive you
blessings to you and yours

pax2u

tell us all about your NWO Bible conspiracy theories they must be interesting

Neiman

Just for the record – I am not now nor have I ever been a 7th Day Adventist and have debated them often and they are a Christian group.

pax2u

well this is progress, 29.999 denominations to go

The Last Trump

Pax, would you be interested in joining? Ready to become a Christian and let go of all your hate, evolution patsy? Sure, we might need an eighteen wheeler to haul it ALL away, but still…:)

pax2u

you now have 29,999 denominations to go

The Last Trump

Just keep quoting scripture to these morons. We’ll get them to read the Bible one way or another! Might even eventually wear off on them. But don’t hold your breath.

Neiman

It is their constant lies that is is so irritating. Pax and Bewhoheisn’t
are Christian hating trolls.

The Last Trump

Yeah, but their own shameful behaviour reveals to everybody just what they’re all about. Hate and aggression.
We don’t even need to bother to refute them (although it can be entertaining at times!). They do enough damage to their own cause simply by opening their own mouths. We just need to give ’em enough rope. And sure enough, like clockwork, they take care of the rest. 😉

pax2u

I have made an attempt to reach out to Neiman and I hope that he will accept my opinion

pax2u

I tried to reach out to neiman, but my posts are being reviewed now, so I may be gone soon, all the best
Merry Christmas

The Last Trump

Might take some time. Still lots of nasty posts to get over 🙁
Hopefully your respectful discussions will win them over again and allow you to stay.
Merry Christmas, brother! I’m glad that at least we patched things up! 😉

pax2u

I guess as a Catholic I should accept being told that I am a Mary worshipping Papist
be a second class Christian and get to the back of the theological bus

The Last Trump

Don’t worry about what anybody else thinks. As long as you and God know the truth. Remember, folks are just worried that the Catholic Church is leading some astray with some of these un-Biblical practices. Just want you to be careful about your salvation. Christians fight about just about everything, from the rapture to the Second Coming. Don’t take it personally. We all just need to stay focused on serving Christ. 🙂

pax2u

I know, I think that the comment was pretty mild,
I mentioned that the Pope supports the traditional marriage of one man and one woman

and I said that the Catholic Church teaches that any se x outside of the Tradtional marriage is wrong and a sin

pax2u

I apologized to Nieman and actually got an upvote
It made my day

The Last Trump

Feels a lot better inside, doesn’t it? Rather than making ignorant, hurtful comments like we were. Just goes to show, we’re on the track! Good to hear. 🙂

pax2u

it does,
I realize that I can not change those who are willing to lie and hate me and my faith,
It is better to forgive them and pray for them, some are willing to make hateful and ignorant statements about my faith, it can be hurtful to me, but I must forgive them
Merry Christmas

pax2u

It feels good to forgive those who say that Catholics worship the Pope,

If a Catholic defends their beliefs against those who lie about their faith are they stalkers?

I wish you well

Merry Christmass

BeWhoYouAre

I get no pleasure whatsoever in discoursing with an utterly loathsome human being like yourself either, but let’s be VERY CLEAR about which one of us is the liar.

1. In the real world as we know it, Catholicism is a part of Christianity whether any fundamentalist Christians like it or not. Theirs was the original Christianity along with Orthodoxy. I offer as my proof practically every history book that’s ever been written and even the DICTIONARY for heaven’s sake. You do NOT get to exclude them as Christians for any reason. So for this site to disparage Catholics in its news reporting is vile and disgusting.
2. I have given several examples of editorializing, most notably putting the title of Pope Francis in quotation marks as though it’s not something to be taken seriously. Every other news source I have seen gives the man proper respect by using his proper title with no disapproving punctuation of any kind.
3. THE ROMAN CATHOLIC

Neiman

It is unfortunate that nothing you said has any bearing on the Truth an dis thoroughly anti-Christ.

BeWhoYouAre

Based on the hateful poisonous garbage you write here on a daily basis, I doubt very much you have the slightest idea what the word “TRUTH” even means.

Neiman

Oh yes I do, it is you and the Pope that are in darkness:

John 14: ” 6Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me”

Jesus is the Truth – He is the embodiment of all Truth, He is our only way unto life eternal, He is the only way unto salvation. If whatever you believe is not centered, absolutely everything, on Jesus, it cannot possibly have any truth in it at all.

BeWhoYouAre

Yes, Jesus IS the truth, so why do you keep putting your own words of hatred and intolerance in His mouth? Your perversion of the message of Christianity due to your fundamentalism is the reason you’re coming under fire from ACTUAL Christians.

pax2u

I very much appreciate you posts, your strength and courage to stand for the Christian faith, agianst those who attack the Church of Christ

BeWhoYouAre

Thanks. Although as a Catholic you may not always appreciate my posts attacking the fundamentalists for their war on homosexuals. Hate is hate and I call it out where I see it.

pax2u

as a Catholic, I very much appreciate your strenght and keeping of the faith of the Church
we are told that our God, is a God of love, and unlimited Mercy

BeWhoYouAre

It’s an important fight we are fighting. What these fundamentalists lack in facts and logic they make up for in volume and obnoxiousness. There is no love in any of it and it makes a mockery of the Christianity they claim to represent.

pax2u

matt 22:28

…37And He said to him, “‘YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.’ 38″This is the great and foremost commandment. 39″The second is like it, ‘YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.’…

you are fighting the good fight, against hatred, intolerance, and those who will lie about the faith of others,
take care my friend

pax2u

Nieman says that the Pope is in darkness? where is Nieman’s light? he should remember this

Matt 13:13

13″Therefore I speak to them in parables; because while seeing they do not see, and while hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. 14″In their case the prophecy of Isaiah is being fulfilled, which says, ‘YOU WILL KEEP ON HEARING, BUT WILL NOT UNDERSTAND; YOU WILL KEEP ON SEEING, BUT WILL NOT PERCEIVE;…

BeWhoYouAre

Nieman says lots of pig ignorant things because he missed the part in his history lessons about the pope being the head of the largest Christian organization in the world.

pax2u

I really wonder where some of these posters get their information, I notice how many result to a you tube video, or some crazy anti Christian web site to justify their bigotry and hatred

BeWhoYouAre

It’s taught from the fundie pulpits, and no one questions them. And fundie websites like carm.org, answersingenesis and jesus-is-savior.com.

pax2u

true, that is the source of their theological doctrines,
do you ever visit free republic? jesus – is – savior and Jack Chick are banned there as hate sites

pax2u

I think that it becomes a shiny object for those who want to attack the Catholic Church and the Pope,

I notice that the article about Rick Warren and the Pope speaking in support of Traitional Marriage, and the sanctity of life, was placed under apostasty
is the support of tradional marriage and the sanctity of life considered apostaty? really? wow? just wow?

Tatiana Covington

Islam very often does equate with violence. There! I said it! And what do you think about that!

Don’t like it? Go pound sand.

BeWhoYouAre

Here we go.

Neiman

First, he needs to find Jesus as His Savior and His Lord.

pax2u

we all do, you included

Neiman

I already have, many decades ago and I am saved and devoted to Jesus. Sorry to hear you haven’t.

pax2u

I am thankful that you have found your savior in Jesus Christ
I have found my savior in Jesus Christ
Pope Francis is speading the message of Jesus Christ
We, as Christians, should exalt the name of Jesus Christ

pax2u

do you ever post at CNS?

BeWhoYouAre

I don’t think so, what is CSS?

pax2u

it is CNS check out my comment on the culture section about muhammad

BeWhoYouAre

Sorry, what is CNS? A website?

pax2u

cnsnews dot com may be were I will posting at soon
in the culture section

Neiman

I failed to remark about the Pope’s stupid and hate filled remarks about Christian Fundamentalists being just like extremist Muslims, implying the same level of violence and persecution of other faiths. I get irritated when Catholics, among others rage against Fundamentalist Christians, do you people even know what a Fundamentalist Christian believes in? No, I didn’t think so, well it is these dangerous beliefs:

The Five Fundamentals

1. The inerrancy of the Bible
2. The literal nature of the Biblical accounts, especially regarding Christ’s miracles and the Creation account in Genesis
3. The Virgin Birth of Christ
4. The bodily resurrection and physical return of Christ
5. The substitutionary atonement of Christ on the cross

Pretty dangerous stuff, right? I guess the Pope denies these things, right? Well yes, actually he does, he denies #1, #2 and #5.

Lastly, yes within the Fundamental movement there are very few, a very tiny fraction that, like the Westboro Baptists, snake handler Pentecostals and a rare violent mental defective do wicked things in Jesus name, but the mass of these people are just good Christians that believe in the 5 fundamentals of the faith.

pax2u

the Bible is with out error

Matt 16

…17And Jesus said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. 18″I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it. 19″I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven.”…

pax2u

the Bible is with out error

Matt 26

26While they were eating, Jesus took some bread, and after a blessing, He broke it and gave it to the disciples, and said, “Take, eat; this is My body.” 27And when He had taken a cup and given thanks, He gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you;…

pax2u

the Bible is with out error

James 5:16

Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person has great power as it is working.

pax2u

the Bible is with out error

John 2:1 – 5

On the third day a wedding took place at Cana in Galilee. Jesus’ mother was there, 2 and Jesus and his disciples had also been invited to the wedding. 3 When the wine was gone, Jesus’ mother said to him, “They have no more wine.”

your guess is in error, you should not guess about the beliefs of others, would it be wrong for me to guess about your beliefs?
you judge what you do not know
so are all fundatmentalists pure?

pax2u

so the Pope is hate filled?, and the fundamentalist westboro baptist church teaches us the love of Jesus Christ

Neiman

This is why you are unworthy of the company of decent people. Your constant lies, your demonstrable, provable lies.

(a) I said the remarks of the Pope were hate filled, I did not say the Pope was.
(b) My statement about the Westboro Baptist people was clearly in the context of their being part of very few, very rare extreme Fundamentalists, that were wicked, violent or mentally deranged and there is no way that anyone but a most wicked person could twist that into implying that I was saying the teach us the love of Christ.
(c) Everyone of your many posts to me today, none of which I will dignify with answer were filled with gross errors by implication, typical of the Roman Catholic Church. You quote Scripture completely out of context.

pax2u

Neiman, I had a pleasant exchange with the Last Trump, and I am trying my best to extend to you Christian fellowship

what remarks of Pope Francis were hate filled?

are some fundamentalists less than loving of other Christians?

if I quote scripture that you do not agree with is it always out of context?

Neiman

I object to communicating with you and don’t believe you deserve responses because you always twist my words in such a way as to constitute lying. I showed you in (a) and (b) above that I never said the Pope was hate filled, but that his remarks about Fundamentalists were; and I said just the opposite about the Westboro Baptists, when you accused me of saying the they were by their actions teaching the love of Christ.

The Pope was expressing hate for Fundamentalist Christians generally when he implied they were just like Islamic extremists: ““You just can’t say that, just as you can’t say that all Christians are
fundamentalists,” the pontiff continued. “We have our share of them
(fundamentalists). All religions have these little groups.” That was denigrating to all Christians that share the 5 fundamentals of the Christian faith that I have often listed, in that it marginalized them and grouped them with violent Muslims.

The Word of God is a Divine Tapestry, one cannot be honest and properly interpret Scripture when all passages as touching any matter are not brought into harmony. Example: You quoted wherein Mary asked Jesus to turn the water into wine, which you were using to imply the Bible teaches she is an Intercessor for mankind. In the same passage, Jesus actually rebuked her, when He said ‘what do I have to do with you woman, my time has not yet come.’ While He did meet the needs of the wedding in answering her request, clearly He was denying her as having any special role as an intercessor any greater than any other human being. There is another passage, wherein Jesus disclaimed her as being in any spiritual way His mother., when the disciples told Jesus His mother and brothers were waiting outside, Jesus did not get and go to her or ask that Mary should be allowed in to see Him; rather, He said that all His disciples were equally His mother and brothers and sisters. This denied her any special elevation. Scripture does not include her in the inner circle of the apostles, no leadership role in the early Church, no mention of her interceding between God and man, although surely in prayer, like all God’s children, while on earth, we all intercede and yet we are not spoken of and neither is Mary as having that role in Heaven. A much longer reply could be made, when all the passages about Mary and even those silent about her are brought to bear. So, when you quote one passage and ignore all the others, you are ignoring the context in all of the New Testament to teach a doctrine as being fact that does not exist in God’s Word.

This has already gotten too long, but IMO the Pope is not spreading the Gospel of Jesus Christ, again I could go to great length in proving that claim. When he adds any works of the flesh, like the sacraments, penance, the Eucharist, purgatory, prayers to Mary and/or Saints, He is in fact pointing believers and the lost away from Christ, He is teaching salvation by works, that we, the Catholic Church’s teachings, its requirements, Mary and many other things play a role in our salvation and that all opposes Salvation by Grace, it takes away from Christ the Thanksgiving, Praise and Glory that is His alone, the Pope is teaching another Christ, another way unto salvation and that is contrary to the Gospel and is anti-Christ.

I don’t know if you are a Christian or not, I know that as a Catholic, you are depending on many other things which that Church teaches to bring you to Salvation, you are not looking at Jesus as your all-in-all, your first to last resource in all things, He is not the beginning and end, He is not your Alpha to Omega, He does not have preeminence in all things in your life and at a minimum, you are being robbed by the RCC of having Jesus as your absolute Lord, He is not the sole source for everything you need in this life and eternity.. That organization stands between you and Jesus and that demeans Christ.

pax2u

I am sorry for any misunderstanding

pax2u

I understand

I too object to communicating with

hate, and bigotry, and those who lie about Christians

there will always be those who hate my faith

pax2u

the Pope speaks for freedom of religion
and
aganist Fundamentalist Terrorism

EdWalton

No one in islam can present a single verse that could be, used to denounce the islamic-terrorists actions.

truthnothate

“killing a human being is killing the whole human race”
there is one…but you will need to read the Quran buddy, since apparently you know squat about what the Pope is referring.

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