*** (01:10):Welcome to Books Chat , taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates!
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:11):
Hello!
*** (01:24):Welcome to Books Chat , tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates!
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:24):
yay! company1
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:24):
so you did plan to be here!
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:24):
lol
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:24):
i got stuck in traffic
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:24):
aww that sucks
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:24):
i guess the novelty has worn off, no one else is here
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:24):
I think this stuff needs to be announced on the main board, it gets missed down here
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:25):
plus, it's summer
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:25):
i thought I did, but oh well
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:25):
yes, we may have to try this at a later time, foo!
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:25):
probably constant pester is what's needed, but that's a pain
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:25):
foo! lol
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:25):
the first time i emailed everyone
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:25):
probably needs to happen like that every week
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:25):
but you have better things to do
*** (01:25):Welcome to Books Chat , sun68.u!
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:25):
I mean, really
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:25):
yes, i don't have time
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:25):
sun!
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:25):
hey sun!
sun68.u says to (01:26):
Hi Girls...
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:26):
we are hoping one more person shows up
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:26):
lol we'll see what happens
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:26):
how are you sun?
sun68.u says to (01:26):
Fine...how are you? What chapter are we focusing on tonight?
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:27):
Chapter 3
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:27):
Core Ego!
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:27):
Did you read it sun?
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:27):
so are we going to do it, or reschedule due to low attendance?
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:28):
maybe we should wait 5 more minutes, but not sure, do you guys want to do this still?
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:28):
it's really best with 3 people besides me
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:28):
whatever you think
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:28):
sun, what's your thoughts
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:28):
I did just apply some furniture stripper which I need to keep an eye on lol
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:29):
lol
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:29):
strip tease
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:29):
cause I didn't think this was happening!
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:29):
lol
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:29):
i think we lost sun already too
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:29):
lol
sun68.u says to (01:29):
No, I just got back...I had to go find my book
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:29):
lol ha ha
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:30):
we were wondering if you still wanted to do this with only two people besides me?
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:30):
we could reschedule
sun68.u says to (01:30):
That's fine. Did many show up last week?
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:30):
only one person
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:30):
there were 5 or 6 of us I think?
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:30):
oh last week
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:30):
that was two weeks ago
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:30):
yes lol
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:30):
oops
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:30):
i was jilted, lol
*** (01:30):Welcome to Books Chat , godorothy.u!
sun68.u says to (01:30):
Oh yeah, cause last week, I showed up alone...lol
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:31):
dotty!
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:31):
dotty!
sun68.u says to (01:31):
Hi Godorothy
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:31):
maybe the 9:30 ET is better
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:31):
dotty I answered your question in chat last night
godorothy.u says to (01:31):
errrr, still only up chapter 2 i think
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:31):
no worries
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:31):
but you checked out before you read it!
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:31):
but you are here
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:31):
yay!
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:31):
dotty potty
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:31):
lol
godorothy.u says to (01:31):
silly thing was playing up for me I think last nihgt, I gave up!
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:31):
the east coasters seem to like the late night stuff
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:31):
lol dotty
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:32):
so do you guys want to do this?
sun68.u says to (01:32):
So is four enough?
godorothy.u says to (01:32):
inany case, you guys can talk aobut book, i;ll just read if thats ok
godorothy.u says to (01:32):
yeah!
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:32):
no you can participate god
godorothy.u says to (01:32):
I';ll join in if I can
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:32):
even if you haven't read
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:32):
after all you are god lol
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:32):
where is AL?
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:32):
okay, what I am going to do is put out some great quote from sections of the book and we can chat
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:32):
okay?
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:32):
ok
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:32):
Pg 59 - "Most people are so completely identified with the voice in the head...As long as you are completely unaware of this, you take the thinker to be
who you are. This is the egoic mind."
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:33):
hang on, I'm going to post that we are in session
godorothy.u says to (01:33):
just got my book with me now, so hopefully can follow you all
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:33):
in case anyone else will join us
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:33):
"Your thinking, the content of your mind, is of course conditioned by the past: your up bringing, culture, family background, and so on."
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:34):
This chapter is about the Core Ego
godorothy.u says to (01:34):
ok
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:34):
So, when you hear a voice in your head, as we all do, who do you think it is?
godorothy.u says to (01:35):
weel, its my thoughts, so mine really
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:35):
it's societal conditioning IMO
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:35):
Pg. 60 talks about our "repetitive and persistent thoughts, emotions, and reactive patterns that you identify with most strongly. This entity is the ego
itself."
godorothy.u says to (01:35):
(is that right?) tell me if I;m wrong
godorothy.u says to (01:36):
yeah, you are conditioned all thought your life
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:36):
brb I'm just going to test the link I posted
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taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:36):
Tolle is teaching that there are really two "minds" at work
*** (01:36):Welcome to Books Chat , tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates!
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:36):
the ego and the big Self
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:36):
ok sorry about that
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:36):
no worries
godorothy.u says to (01:36):
the big self????
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:37):
the ego is the reactive patterns, the conditioned thinking
sun68.u says to (01:37):
Sometimes I think emotions and feelings come from your inner self and not your mind
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:37):
i think you may be right sun
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:37):
dotty, it's like when you say, "Did I just say that?"
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:37):
yes, conditioned thinking
godorothy.u says to (01:37):
ah, ok
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:37):
who is the person that is saying that
godorothy.u says to (01:37):
ah ha! with you now
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:37):
I'm trying to set my conditioned thinking aside and recognize my inner self, without all the crap that has influenced it over the years
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:37):
there is a big Self that is aware of your ego thoughts
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:38):
it's our intuitive Self
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:38):
me too elf
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:38):
what types of things work for you elf?
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:38):
well I have tried to look back at my life
godorothy.u says to (01:38):
very hard to do though, to many thougts in my head rfom past stuff
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:38):
and recognize which things were mine, and which things were imposed by others
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:38):
as an objective outsider?
sun68.u says to (01:39):
It is difficult to filter it all out
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:39):
especially when it comes to my interests... which ones are real and which are false?
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:39):
it is sun!
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:39):
very difficult
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:39):
like, for example, getting a music degree
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:39):
that was not me who did that
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:39):
it was others telling me I should
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:39):
and so I did
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:39):
i think the things that resonate with our hearts are the things that come from big Self or soul
godorothy.u says to (01:39):
difficult to accpet really and let go
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:39):
it's not what I wanted to do, I just was too young to know any better
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:40):
I'm with you
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:40):
So what do you think the ego is?
godorothy.u says to (01:40):
(sorry, my pc is on go slow, so if I answer late, you know why)
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:40):
lol
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:40):
who are you asking tao?
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:40):
lol
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:40):
everyone
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:40):
oh lol
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:40):
i'll put a name if it is specific for someone
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:41):
I think the ego is a lot of fakery... the front we put on for the world and even for ourselves
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:41):
kinda like Billy Joel's The Stranger song
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:41):
lol yes
godorothy.u says to (01:41):
I used to think I was getting an understanding of ego, but now??????
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:41):
it is confusing
godorothy.u says to (01:42):
BUt, well I think its just not reality, the ego
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:42):
it can be defined in many different ways, dotty
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:42):
wow, good point dotty
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:42):
is the ego our creation on earth?
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:42):
I think it's what we are told it should be
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:42):
is it real then?
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:42):
Here is how Tolle defines
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:42):
yes, and our creation in a priviledged western society
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:42):
no I think it's fakery lol
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:42):
Ego is the "personal identification with possessions, opinions, external appearance, long-standing resentments, or concepts o yourself as better than or
not as good as others, as a success or failure."
godorothy.u says to (01:43):
yeah, def a creation (stupid one at that)! lol
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:43):
of*
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:43):
exactly
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:43):
this is the thing that has seemingly become most important to us
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:43):
i have fallen victim many times to my ego with feelings of being inadequate
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:43):
or my attempt to feel i'm better than others
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:44):
my downfall is perhaps competitiveness
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:44):
Tolle goes on to point out that egos, our perception that ego is ourselves, creates a separation from others
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:44):
yes competitiveness is ego based
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:44):
yes
godorothy.u says to (01:44):
gosh, my ego gets in the way with a bloke at work, BIG TIME
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:45):
How so dotty?
godorothy.u says to (01:45):
he so has to be right ALL the time
godorothy.u says to (01:45):
so of course.......lol
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:45):
lol, my ex
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:45):
lol well with someone like that
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:45):
pushes your ego button
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:45):
if you show no ego at all
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:45):
you become a doormat!
godorothy.u says to (01:45):
weel when it irks you you try porve them wrong. or maybe try prove yourself right
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:45):
What is funny is that ego terms us as separate, but we are all the same in this sense
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:46):
"Egos only differ on the surface...They live on identification and separation." The ego is constantly trying to protect itself and make itself
bigger. It needs the thought that there is "the other."
godorothy.u says to (01:46):
(hes such a swarmy bastard)!!!!
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:46):
lol
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:46):
It is the sameness in this case that gets us into this situations with swarmy bastards, lol
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:46):
Pg. 61 Jesus referred to it: "Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?"
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:47):
lol
godorothy.u says to (01:47):
yeah, my ego try to protect myself against him, he trys to make me look... not sure waht it is he trys to do yet, but he does it
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:47):
what I try to do with people like that
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:47):
do you think you could let it go dotty?
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:47):
is let them "hang themselves" with no assistance from me
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:47):
not get your ego involved
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:47):
right elf
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:48):
it's tough at work because you can get dumped on and expected to carry a load that is not your own
godorothy.u says to (01:48):
trying to...... but when its in front of people that he is trying to make himself look good and me daft, its hard
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:48):
that is hard, but you know that it isn't the truth
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:48):
I'll bet the other people think he is the daft one, though lol
godorothy.u says to (01:48):
yes, I do, but tohers?
sun68.u says to (01:48):
I think we all have the need to be right sometimes and fully understood by others, so it can be overwhelming trying to read so many different personalities
that we come across everyday.
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:48):
lol
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:48):
that is true sun
godorothy.u says to (01:48):
but then, I soupoose its oly my ego that worries about what other think huh?
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:49):
it reminds me of the St. Francis prayer
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:49):
yes dotty
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:50):
Oh divine Master, grant me so that I may not wish to be understood as to understand
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:50):
lol
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:50):
If we can focus on the understanding of others, i feel we will become understood more too
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:50):
Let's move on to the ego's strategies1
godorothy.u says to (01:50):
hang on a moent
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:50):
Complaining and resentment
godorothy.u says to (01:50):
conused weith that one
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:50):
ok
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:51):
sure
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:51):
it's the putting others first before your self with the understanding
godorothy.u says to (01:51):
foucs on the understandingonf others?
godorothy.u says to (01:51):
so should I try and understand them, or try and understand waht they understand?
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:51):
meaning, try to see their viewpoint before asking them to understand you, it does open up a different way of dealing with others
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:52):
both dotty
godorothy.u says to (01:52):
ok, thanks
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:52):
it's the try to walk a mile in their shoes philosophy
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:52):
omg I need a lot of work on this one
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:52):
One of the ego's favorite strategies! Negative labels and name calling. Shouting and screaming and physical violence.
godorothy.u says to (01:52):
yeah, dont thinkIwll understand why someone want to shoot you down constantly
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:53):
ugh I don't get that either... name calling, etc
godorothy.u says to (01:53):
but, wil try if the books says I should!!!!
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:53):
what is the point?
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:53):
if people keep identifying with ego, none of this will stop
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:53):
it's like a vicious cycle we are in
godorothy.u says to (01:53):
so, if I ignore someone when they try do this, then what is my ego doing then?
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:53):
I took a vow to never fight or argue
sun68.u says to (01:54):
It's causing more negative energy in the world
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:54):
and it has held true throughout my adult life
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:54):
yes sun
godorothy.u says to (01:54):
hmmmmmmm, so waht shold I do?
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:54):
you're a good example for us elf
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:54):
debate is ok, and being passionate about an issue
sun68.u says to (01:54):
Wow, tself. Do you ever argue with your husband?
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:54):
the rest is just crap
godorothy.u says to (01:54):
soory confused now
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:54):
dotty
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:54):
no we don't sun
godorothy.u says to (01:54):
yeah?
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:54):
try to understand where they are coming from
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:54):
get annoyed sometimes, but no arguing
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:54):
Pg 62 "Resentment means to feel bitter, indignant, aggrieved, or offended."

Instead of overlooking unconsciousness in others we tend to make it into their identity.

"And what you react to in another, you strengthen in yourself."
godorothy.u says to (01:55):
BUT... how can I understand when people just want to shoot you down?
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:55):
So, it is a matter of not reacting with ego, but using nonreaction
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:55):
although it's been harder in recent years as our marriage is more fractured now
godorothy.u says to (01:55):
I understand they are a jerk and thats about it
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:55):
lol dotty
godorothy.u says to (01:55):
hmmmmmm, opr maybe its as they are insecure they do it
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:55):
you are labeling them to be a jerk
sun68.u says to (01:55):
I'm not sure my husband and I could avoid arguments or disagreements, and my mother...well that's a whole other story...lol.
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:55):
i try to consider why they are acting that way
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:56):
lol sun my mother is the reason I don't argue
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:56):
i used to be able to just listen to my ex without reacting
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:56):
she picks fights out of thin air, and I vowed to not be like her
sun68.u says to (01:56):
Killing someone with kindness when they are acting inappropriately is the best method.
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:56):
he would calm down and apologize and then we could talk
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:56):
you are correct sun, I try to do this and it does work!
sun68.u says to (01:56):
I tend to react too quickly
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:56):
yes sun
godorothy.u says to (01:56):
yeah, gettign there slowyl I think,. its maybe his need to feel better about himself that he does it, or prove something to others (but still cant get what
mind)
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:56):
yes dotty, that is probably it
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:57):
he feels bad about himself so puts others down to feel bigger
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:57):
yes
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:57):
he is a hurt soul then
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:57):
acting out in a bad way
godorothy.u says to (01:57):
insecure mabe, hes fairly new at work, so maybe trying to fit on with others, and therefore I get it
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:57):
a bully
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:57):

"Nonreaction to the ego in others is one of the most effective ways of going beyond ego in yourself and of dissolving the collective human ego."

Need to consciously work on this. Being conscious is the best way to do this.
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:57):
Pg 63 "To forgive is to overlook, or rather to look through. You look through the ego to the ensanity that is in every human being as his or her
essence."

Instead of complaining, if you need to ask for a change, stick to the facts.
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:58):
sun68.u says to (01:58):
What's the difference between complaining and venting?
godorothy.u says to (01:58):
bben there done that, didnt work whatsoever!!!!! (different job I WAS bullied at, ended up leaving)
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:58):
complaining, for the most part, you are trying to get a reaction
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:59):
but complaining almost seems more the more productive one, since it might lead to change
godorothy.u says to (01:59):
I meant asking for change by the way
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:59):
venting, maybe is complaining or maybe a means to clear your ego
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (01:59):
venting is to help the ego cope, and serves really no other purpose
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (01:59):
good question sun!
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:00):
dotty, you meant asking for change? can you clarify?
sun68.u says to (02:00):
Thanks....I guess it would also depend on who is listening...to the venting, that is...lol
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:00):
so true Sun
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:00):
if it is someone grounded than it may not be construed as complaining
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:00):
well and I think it depends on the topic
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:00):
for this ts stuff there is a need to vent
godorothy.u says to (02:00):
weel, instead of just putting up with the bullying, I takled it, spoke to the people concerned about it.
godorothy.u says to (02:01):
(eventyully that is)
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:01):
did you react or did you respond dotty?
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:01):
but for something where a concrete complaint could effect change, why waste time on venting? IMO
godorothy.u says to (02:01):
I repsonded really I feel
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:01):
dotty complained! good plan
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:01):
well complaining is ego
godorothy.u says to (02:01):
spoke calmly and direct about it, focused on the issue, nothing else
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:01):
stating how you feel and facts are responding
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:01):
making a complaint, however, is to effect change
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:02):
depends on how you issue the complaint
godorothy.u says to (02:02):
it worked for about 2 days!
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:02):
I think that is quite separate from ego
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:02):
so many people complain by name calling and getting irate with others
godorothy.u says to (02:02):
wel, I supose it was complaing, but by focusing on facts, then it wasnt
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:02):
well then their egos couldn't change and you couldn't handle that
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:02):
that is more under the category of venting, I think, tao
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:02):
cause it has no real purpose
sun68.u says to (02:02):
It's okay if you have an issue. It's just how it's presented that will change the outcome.
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:03):
I think what you are talking about elf, wouldn't be termed complaining then
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:03):
true sun
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:03):
here's the weird thing
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:03):
Sometimes ego does not want to change. Hard ingrained patterns to deal with. pg 64 "everytime it is recognized, it is weakened."
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:03):
tolle perhaps should use a different word
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:03):
I think he did
godorothy.u says to (02:03):
yeah, well IMO it was presented coorectly, but I proably fdamaged their igo... ie, they maybe lsot control,
sun68.u says to (02:03):
Things have to get solved in life. A different word than "ego"?
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:04):
venting?
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:04):
Conscious response, not complaining
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:04):
Isn't it funny how people hold onto their ego patterns even if it is not good for them and others?
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:04):
I am dealing with this myself
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:04):
it's taught to us and practiced by us for many years
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:05):
Okay, here is my life
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:05):
I've struggled to get by money wise and such
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:05):
now I am with a bf that actually is okay in this area and wants to share his life with me
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:05):
but I can't seem to let go of the struggle
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:05):
isn't this crazy?
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:06):
you are holding on to it cause it's what you know
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:06):
my ego has been taught that I'm not anybody unless I am independent and surviving on my own
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:06):
lol yes I get that one
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:06):
yes, but isn't that ridiculous if my situation is changing for the better?
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:06):
has changed
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:06):
I couldn't let someone support me... I'd have the same ego battle
godorothy.u says to (02:07):
when things are ingrained on you thoughout your life, very hard to let go
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:07):
but if we let go of this ego and view it as a gift, life may be more enjoyable
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:07):
I've been with my husband 15 years but he has never supported me financially
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:07):
so I get where that would be hard
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:07):
maybe it's a blessing so I can focus outside of all that
godorothy.u says to (02:07):
my eog was taught one one side, I;m fucking useless and a let down, and on antoher side, I am who I am and supported
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:07):
my marriage was sep. checking accounts and splitting 50/50 with all the bills
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:07):
awww dotty (F)
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:08):
mine is that way too tao
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:08):
(F)
godorothy.u says to (02:08):
so many things affect the ego, so how the hellis the ego meant to cope?
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:08):
venting? lol
godorothy.u says to (02:08):
by venting I suppose
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:08):
but I'm learning that we are all here to be supportive, so why not let somone help me and let them into my heart
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:08):
cause it makes you vulnerable
sun68.u says to (02:08):
Tao, who instilled that in you, especially when you have someone who loves and cares for you regardless of your money status. Is he willing to support, but you
feel inferior to that? I think he's just a guy being a guy...lol
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:08):
yes, the ego vents, complains and all that other stuff to survive
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:09):
My upbringing
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:09):
like Tolle mentions
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:09):
brb I got to go check on my furniture stripper
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:09):
I'm going to move onto Greviences
godorothy.u says to (02:09):
lol, reading the book hjust makes me want to be a baby again, no eog!
godorothy.u says to (02:09):
ok
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:09):
lol dotty
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:10):
Do you know of anyone that seems to be waiting to react and feel annoyed or disturbed about... some people are addicted.

Greivance is a long standing resentment. It's a "strong negative emotion connected to an event in the sometimes distant past...it will contaminate
other areas of your life." pg. 65
godorothy.u says to (02:10):
yes, agre with that
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:10):
We use these past situations as filters
godorothy.u says to (02:11):
filters?
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:11):
Then, in a sense, we are creating our own bad ego patterns over and over again
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:11):
Let me try to give you an example
sun68.u says to (02:11):
Does anyone feel that way about their twin?
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:12):
that they are addicted to behaving badly?
godorothy.u says to (02:12):
sorry sun, waht way?
sun68.u says to (02:12):
The resentment. I'm not sure I ever forgave him.
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:12):
I think my twin and I have dealt with this
godorothy.u says to (02:12):
ah, with you now,... no, Im lucky I ahve a good twin
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:13):
I will say that we both are addicted to our past behaviors which doesn't help us to move forward
godorothy.u says to (02:13):
but....... negatives events in his past can effect us sometimes
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:13):
here's an example...my twin is a great photographer
*** (02:13):Welcome to Books Chat , Paula.collapsingduality!
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:13):
he has been conditioned to survive and pay the bills
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:14):
so he doesn't go past this behavior to pursue his dream
godorothy.u says to (02:14):
hi paula
sun68.u says to (02:14):
Hi Paula...I haven't met you yet, so nice to meet you finally!
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:14):
hi Paula
Paula.collapsingduality says to (02:14):
HI, You gals really chatting about books?
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:14):
yes
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:14):
Tolle's A New Earth Chapt 3
Paula.collapsingduality says to (02:14):
Nice to meet you too.
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:14):
So the only way to get past a greviance is to forgive
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:15):
Don't try to forgive but you will natural forgive when you realize that it has no purpose except to strengthen your ego, you will be able to let go and
forgive.

"The past has no power to stop you from being present now. Only your grievance about the past can do that. And what is a grievance? The baggage of old
thought and emotion.
godorothy.u says to (02:15):
mytiwn found it hard to beleive he was attrached tohim,,,,,,, eveytime I told him he was gorgoues, he was like, uh hu?????
godorothy.u says to (02:15):
she cant think that
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:15):
what dotty?
sun68.u says to (02:15):
I take things personally, so I think I may have a lot of grievances to deal with.
godorothy.u says to (02:15):
due to past events, he has been conditions to think he is not attractive
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:16):
it's your ego that is taking it personally
godorothy.u says to (02:16):
*conditioned
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:16):
my ex was like that too
sun68.u says to (02:16):
yes...the ego...lol
Paula.collapsingduality says to (02:16):
Oh well, got the book and gathering dust. I'll cacth you all later. Have fun. I need to read the book first. Maybe now. LOL
Paula.collapsingduality says to (02:16):
bye
godorothy.u says to (02:16):
weel, when your told your ulgy by girlfriends on 3 occasions, its hard not to take it personally
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godorothy.u says to (02:16):
but, slowly it has overcome that
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:16):
but he needs to get past the ego in order to see his real beauty
godorothy.u says to (02:17):
he does now realise I do think he is gorgeous
sun68.u says to (02:17):
Who would say that? People can be so cruel!
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:17):
Here is a good quote: "There is nothing that strengthens the ego more than being right." pg 67
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:17):
Ego's can be so cruel
godorothy.u says to (02:17):
yes, and so much of the past effects the now doesnt it
sun68.u says to (02:17):
I'm sorry, my ego flubbed up again...lol
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:17):
lol sun
godorothy.u says to (02:17):
ok, can there be good ego and bad ego......
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:18):
Have you ever had the feeling that you needed to be right?
godorothy.u says to (02:18):
as what sun siad, was kinda protcetive really
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:18):
i don't think it is a matter of good or bad, it just is
godorothy.u says to (02:18):
or was that insticntive rather than ego...like intution
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:18):
labeling good or bad is an ego thing
godorothy.u says to (02:18):
shit!
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:18):
depends on the response
godorothy.u says to (02:19):
LOL, I feel I cant talk now, EVERYTHING is ego!
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:19):
lol
sun68.u says to (02:19):
I think the ego can be either good or bad. It's just about recognition of your thoughts.
godorothy.u says to (02:19):
surely you cant exsiti without ego?
*** (02:19):Welcome to Books Chat , smiley.twinsoulsandsoulmates!
smiley.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:19):
hey all
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:19):
yes, you can dotty
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:19):
hi smiley
godorothy.u says to (02:19):
hiya smiley
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:20):
so has anyone here had a need to be right?
godorothy.u says to (02:20):
but, well it seems that all thoughts are ego based
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:20):
only the ones that are based from ego
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:20):
when you think out of love, your heart and soul, it is not ego
godorothy.u says to (02:20):
so, when Sun said, who would say that, peole can be so cruel....is that ego or not?
godorothy.u says to (02:21):
yeah, I dont think it was ego,
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:21):
that is ego
godorothy.u says to (02:21):
how?
sun68.u says to (02:21):
Lol...I don't know if there is a way to let go entirely of ego...we have to live as humans too. This is what we have to work with, until we all become
enlightened souls...lol
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:21):
she labeled people as cruel
godorothy.u says to (02:21):
is it not something that is her trutch and from the soul
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:21):
she is identifying people with being cruel
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:21):
it is their egos that are cruel not the people
smiley.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:21):
I dont think I'm ever going to get rid of my ego
godorothy.u says to (02:21):
ok
smiley.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:21):
for a long time
sun68.u says to (02:21):
I just think people who would make such a comment to someone is cruel
smiley.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:21):
I think I might be reunited with twin and its still there
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:21):
it is challenging smiley, i'm still swimming
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:22):
good point smiley
godorothy.u says to (02:22):
yeah, so why is that ego based, and not from your heart or soul?
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:22):
i do feel that we would reunite with twins faster if no ego is involed
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:22):
because your heart and soul would not label people cruel
godorothy.u says to (02:22):
well seems like I;m stuck with mine!
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:22):
they know not what they do
smiley.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:22):
I dont know about that Tao
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:22):
I don't entirely agree with letting ego go completely
godorothy.u says to (02:22):
is she labeling the person cruel though, or the action
smiley.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:23):
soemtimes I think other things are at hand
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:23):
good point dotty
sun68.u says to (02:23):
I feel things very strongly so I like to believe I can sense if someone is being cruel to someone. I don't like to hear things like that...negative
comments that hurt others.
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:23):
that would make a difference
smiley.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:23):
what comment?
godorothy.u says to (02:23):
maybe she is labeling that persons ego cruel?
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:23):
if it is their action, yes
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:23):
who is the "she" you guys are talking about?
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:23):
i think you hit on something big dotty!
godorothy.u says to (02:24):
9someone calling some one ugly smiley)
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:24):
sun
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:24):
I tried to read back but I guess I'm lost
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:24):
oh thanks dotty
smiley.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:24):
someone called someone ugly in the chat?
godorothy.u says to (02:24):
NO..... lol
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:24):
the person saying the comment is not cruel, it is their action from the ego that is cruel
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:24):
you are all beautiful gals!
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:24):
(F)
godorothy.u says to (02:24):
so recongnised that is cruel......... not ego or ego?
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:25):
(F)
godorothy.u says to (02:25):
i think not myself
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:25):
the action is cruel, the action comes from ego
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:25):
not the real Inner person
godorothy.u says to (02:25):
but hey.... thats only my opion
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:25):
but also, the person could be generally cruel
sun68.u says to (02:25):
no...not in chat here. Godorothy told us a story about someone who called her twin ugly...but you guys are all beautiful!
smiley.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:25):
Tao you've never seen me dont be too sure about that
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:25):
the person identifying with their cruel ego generally
godorothy.u says to (02:25):
(F)
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:25):
oh smiley
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:25):
lol smiley
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:26):
Okay, let's move on
smiley.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:26):
ya know if someone calls someone elses twin ugly maybe to them they just find them unattractive
smiley.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:26):
we're all attracted to different things
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:26):
This should help a bit
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:26):
If you are stating facts then ego is not involved. "Ego takes everything personally." pg. 68 The truth does not need defense.

"Every ego confuses opinions and viewpoints with facts..it cannot tell the difference between an event and its reaction to that event."
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:26):
true smiley
godorothy.u says to (02:26):
yeah, but it efected his ego smiley
godorothy.u says to (02:26):
thats why we were talking about it
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:26):
I try to see the beauty in everyone
smiley.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:26):
inside beauty maybe
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:26):
facts are good
godorothy.u says to (02:27):
(was told this by £ seperate grilfriends)
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:27):
facts are good
smiley.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:27):
not outside beauty
godorothy.u says to (02:27):
and you know what, in my eyes he os gorrrrrrgoues!
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:27):
so someone saying someone is ugly is an opinion, not a fact
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:27):
you can't prove it since beauty is in the eye of the beholder
smiley.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:27):
well i guess thats all that really matters
smiley.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:27):
yes
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:27):
yes smiley!
smiley.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:27):
its an opinion
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:27):
yes
smiley.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:27):
some people thing my twin is ugly
sun68.u says to (02:27):
Looks matter nothing. It's all about connection.
smiley.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:27):
i dont really care
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:27):
we are too caught up in physical characteristics as a society
godorothy.u says to (02:27):
yes, its an opion
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:27):
true elf
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:27):
so it is not fact
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:28):
who gives a rat's ass about physical characteristics?
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:28):
lol!
sun68.u says to (02:28):
Not one of my friends could ever understand what I found so attractive in my twin.
godorothy.u says to (02:28):
(and I think they onyl said it as they were trying to cover trakcs after cheating on him, justifying some reason for their behavouir
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:28):
the rats can keep their ass!
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:28):
lol@
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:28):
!
godorothy.u says to (02:28):
and hey, hes not ugly by yhe way, no way, not at all, hes 6ft 3 of beautiful ness
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:28):
so it shouldn't matter, the opinions of others
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:29):
sounds yummy dotty
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:29):
no, the opinion of others don't matter at all
godorothy.u says to (02:29):
lo, better that ice cream tao!
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:29):
So if someone calls you a name, it is not the truth
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:29):
I've seen hatred towards my twin
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:29):
lol dotty!
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:29):
I don't love it, but it doesn't affect my opinion of him... he just intimidates people and they react.
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:29):
not fun to see elf
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:29):
they are just fearful tao
godorothy.u says to (02:29):
( you saw my post to him toay re ice cream?)
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:29):
that's all
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:30):
funny, my sister's ex was like that too
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:30):
no, missed it dotty
godorothy.u says to (02:30):
ah, its a song
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:30):
I am right and you are wrong is where separation and conflict begin. Most "truths" are just someones bundle of thoughts.

Buddhists "The finger pointing to the moon is not the moon"
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:30):
this is where I have trouble
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:31):
This chapter is so huge, we may need another chat on it!
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:31):
my husband always wants to discuss stuff that requires no discussion
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:31):
what's that elf?
godorothy.u says to (02:31):
huh? its a finger, thats why its not the moon
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:31):
lol dotty
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:31):
and it drives me nuts, cause I let it
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:31):
lol dotty
godorothy.u says to (02:32):
but yeah, most everything in life are someones bundles of thoughts
sun68.u says to (02:32):
I have to say bye everyone, but I may come back in a half hour or so for regular chat if you guys are done here. Thanks...(F)
godorothy.u says to (02:32):
afterall, you have to think something before you do it
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:32):
there are bundlesof bundles
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:32):
awww nite sun!
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godorothy.u says to (02:32):
nite sun
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:32):
bye sun and thanks!
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:32):
good chatting with ya!
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:32):
rats
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:32):
rat's ass
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:32):
see, i give away rats and not their asses
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:32):
ha ha
godorothy.u says to (02:33):
ok, so it weas your ego saying rats?
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:33):
Let's finish this section and we can have part 2
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:33):
lol ha ha dotty!
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:33):
yes, it was my ego
godorothy.u says to (02:33):
you were dissappointed that sun is leaving? so thats ego isnt it?
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:33):
my inner self wouldn't have problems
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:33):
yes dotty
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:33):
Religious teachings can be signposts or maps.

pg 71 "The Truth is inseparable from who you are. Yes, you are the Truth."

Jesus talks about the I Am, Buddhists call it the Buddha nature, Hindus, it is Atman, the indwelling God.
godorothy.u says to (02:34):
ok, as you say, lets finsih this section
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:34):
"all your actions and relationships will reflect the oneness with all life that you sense deep within. This is Love." pg. 72
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:34):
Big stuff!
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:34):
lol
*** (02:35):Welcome to Books Chat , maia steeleater.twinsoulsandsoulmates!
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:35):
hi maia!
godorothy.u says to (02:35):
hi maia
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:35):
hi maia
maia steeleater.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:35):
lol i know i'm majorly late
smiley.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:35):
hey maia
maia steeleater.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:35):
hi hi
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:35):
lol
godorothy.u says to (02:35):
ok, so waht sdoes it mean then?
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:35):
we are almost done with this section
smiley.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:35):
well later guys....(F)
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maia steeleater.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:35):
sorry...i just got home from school
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:36):
The Truth is inseparable from who you are. Yes, you
are the Truth."
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:36):
remember how opinions and all that ego stuff is not the truth
godorothy.u says to (02:36):
yeah...
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:36):
right
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:36):
what really is truth is the oneness, the Inner Self's thoughts and intuitions
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:36):
Love is the truth man
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:37):
lol
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:37):
lol
maia steeleater.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:37):
and shit
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:37):
lol
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:37):
that's right maia, and shit!
godorothy.u says to (02:37):
lo, you sound like a hippy
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:37):
(H)
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:37):
yes, hippy
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:37):
lol
maia steeleater.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:37):
dude..give me a hit off of that bud man
maia steeleater.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:38):
anyway...oneness
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:38):
You see, the more we can see ourselves in others and others in ourselves, we will recognize that we are all the same, all one
tself.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:38):
ugh I struggle with that one
godorothy.u says to (02:38):
weel, iteel you something, thatleads back to the uglynes commnet, twin realises tha I love him
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:38):
if we can be aware of our simliarities instead of our differences, then ego will be diminished
maia steeleater.twinsoulsandsoulmates says to (02:38):
yea, thats a tough one
godorothy.u says to (02:38):
so, its the love that has helped overcome his ego on this situation
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:38):
maybe he will see the love and the beauty in him too dotty
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:38):
yes!!!
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:38):
Say the Word Love
godorothy.u says to (02:39):
he does
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:39):
The Beatles knew it
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:39):
All you need is love
taogirl444.twinsoulsandsoulmates says (02:39):
Not all you need is ego

What a nice surprise to come home to. I didn't think the chat was going to happen tonight.
I haven't had a chance to reread the chapter yet, so I'm just gonna add some thoughts as I read through the chat....

Dealing with people who are very egocentric can certainly be challenging. It brings our own ego to the forefront of course. It makes our ego feel provoked,
threatened. The common response is to try to show them up...to put our own enormous ego on display, thereby proving our superiority. It's hard not to do
that, because it's what everyone does....it's "normal" to act that way. Sometimes I'm able to catch myself before putting my enormous
ego on display, and I can allow the other person to act out without responding to it. Even then, though, I often find my ego is in control of that choice as
well. As soon as I catch myself and decide not to respond, I think...."I'm gonna be the "bigger person", and let it go". If
that's not the ego at work, I don't know what is. It's almost a scarier side of the ego, because it's much less obvious....it's like
it's sneaking in the back door or climbing through a window, instead of knocking at the front door and asking if it's alright to come in.

"so many things affect the ego, so how the hellis the ego meant to cope?"
Such a good question. Here's my view on it....... It's NOT meant to cope. Every time something happens that brings ego to the forefront, it's an
opportunity to become aware of egos presence. Awareness is the first step towards transcendence. It seems to me that the universe conspires to make sure we
become aware of the ego. The more we ignore it, the more we find ourselves in situations that bring it to our attention. It's like a little kid
who's starved for attention. The more you ignore it, the more outlandish ways it finds of getting your attention. Once you're aware of it, it begins
to break down. The greater your level of awareness, the more ego breaks down. It's not meant to cope. It's meant to break down.

"mytiwn found it hard to beleive he was attrached tohim,,,,,,, eveytime I told him he was gorgoues, he was like, uh hu?????"
I'm dealing with this same issue with my lovely lady. She's convinced that she's fat, and ugly, and stupid, and a number of other things which
just aren't true. She tells me so on a weekly, sometimes daily, basis. All I can really do is tell her that I think she's smart and beautiful, and
that she's perfect just as she is. It's heartbreaking to hear someone you care about say those things about themselves. I think she's finally
actually believing that I mean it when I tell her she's perfect, but she doesn't understand how I could feel that way. Her "family" and
"friends" are the source of her beliefs. I suppose we'll believe just about anything if people say it to us often enough. Especially when
it's people who "care about us". Gosh it pisses me off.....(ego at work again?)

That was a lot to read. Great chat! I laughed. I cried. I got pissed off. I laughed again. Now I really need some sleep. Looking forward to the
discussion next week. Hopefully I'll have an opportunity to read the chapter by then so I can offer some more input.

Clearwater - what a nice thoughtful response! I love how you describe ego like a little kid trying to get our attention and the universe keeps presenting
issues to make it easy for ego to get all riled up.

I too have issues about feeling too fat, etc. I think society has forced women to feel not okay about themselves unless they are model skinny. But model skinny
is unhealthy and definitely not obtainable without hurting ourselves.

Keep the love going Clearwater. I'm realizing more and more that it is the only answer. To love ourselves and others. To love to the point of being okay
with what is, to accept and love. Now I'm sounding like the hippy again. I'm just a sunshine girl at heart!

I got a great deal out of chat last night. It did put me through all the emotions (not kidding). Thanks again for the comment, and I hope you can join us next
week!

I am in need of taking a little break from the boards so book chat, unless someone else wants to moderate for now, will be canceled until I come back. I think
the timing is right to take a break. Enjoy your summer everyone!