A lot of Donna's "symptoms" are similar to what I experience when i take ormus for a time.
I don't see anything wrong with it. Why are they not good symptoms?
IMO they all show an increase in energy.
I don't feel that I have ever been harmed by ormus, or my health decreased.

So many things depend on the individual or vary with the individual.
Why would more energy be bad for some people? Because they're not fluid enough to
handle it; because they haven't changed/opened their minds. I suppose it's like running too
much energy through a circuit and you blow the resistors; but if you have no resistance,
are fluid - free of fixed ideas, etc - then no problem.

So many things depend on the individual or vary with the individual.
Why would more energy be bad for some people? Because they're not fluid enough to
handle it; because they haven't changed/opened their minds. I suppose it's like running too
much energy through a circuit and you blow the resistors; but if you have no resistance,
are fluid - free of fixed ideas, etc - then no problem.

I think that there is actual change in the physical body when you increase the "energy", it is not something psychological. So, having no resistance is not so easy. Being "free of fixed ideas" will just make you to ignore the symptoms, this doesn't mean your body is ready to receive greater amounts of "energy". Symptoms like sounds and insomnia means that you are overloading the capacity of your system.

Thank You Gentlemen. I have been dealing with alot of this before i ever heard of ormus. My roommate says he is experiencing a strange calm, especaially in situations that should freak him out, he is using trap water. My boyfriend uses the paste ormus and says it keeps him focused and high energy for his day.

In order to balance all these energies, i have to be very disciplined with my spiritual practice which makes all the difference in energies, this includes the microcosmic orbit, and lots of grounding. Personally i think alot of this is kundalini, which is stimulated by the ormus. The palpitations which I consider the most dangerous, goes away with my meds and lots of water. The little whiteheads are clearing of channels I feel. I am not sure about the rest, but I see alot more clairvoyantly, and my meditations are more focused and powerful. Sleep has been an issue for years, and has improved. If I do not do my meditaion and grounding, i become really bitchy, like i go from nice to turbo bitch in a split second. So i really need the practice which balances and grounds these energies.

I have taken monatomic gold from crucible.org. This was very strong and we finished up the bottle, but did not reorder. If one is not mindful, the psychological effects can be unpleasant as it intensifies everything. I am now taking one capful of liquid chi from Ambrosia Tech and drinking trap water. I agree that the physical changes and increased energies need to be integrated with mindfulness and a spiritual orientation to this whole thing. No need ascending and leaving a wasteland of hurt people behind you. Gotta mind the fires

I think that there is actual change in the physical body when you increase the "energy", it is not something psychological. So, having no resistance is not so easy. Being "free of fixed ideas" will just make you to ignore the symptoms, this doesn't mean your body is ready to receive greater amounts of "energy". Symptoms like sounds and insomnia means that you are overloading the capacity of your system.

Definitely. I'm not suggesting it is only psychological. Monoatomic gold especially will accumulate in your nervous system and change your body and
how it is wired. But still, there is no separation between the physical and the "psychological" as you call it. Otherwise why would meditation
make any difference. The resistance in our bodies is the product of our minds - habitual thoughts, beliefs, views, emotions.

Insominia shouldn't necessarily, or in a blanket fashion, be defined as bad or negative. Most spiritual people develop it, and scientists too.
The spirit is restless - there is less need for sleep. Think of the many great minds that said they only needed a few hours sleep, or maybe they
took cat naps instead of long periods.

But still, there is no separation between the physical and the "psychological" as you call it. Otherwise why would meditation
make any difference. The resistance in our bodies is the product of our minds - habitual thoughts, beliefs, views, emotions.

Yes, they are interconnected. I just wanted to mention that thinking of something doesn't mean that you are actually doing it.

Insominia shouldn't necessarily, or in a blanket fashion, be defined as bad or negative. Most spiritual people develop it, and scientists too.
The spirit is restless - there is less need for sleep. Think of the many great minds that said they only needed a few hours sleep, or maybe they took cat naps instead of long periods.

There is also the other side, the "lunatics" who cannot support themselves and function in society. They have the same symptoms as scientists and spiritual people.

There is also the other side, the "lunatics" who cannot support themselves and function in society. They have the same symptoms as scientists and spiritual people.

I can relate to all three.
Sometimes the mind is so sharp and penetrating, I can apply it to anything I want to know and learn/interact with it - the scientist.
Sometimes it comes as visions, knowingness, seeing, being, interconnectedness... the spiritual.
Sometimes I have thoughts and feelings that would make society medicate me or lock me away if they knew. I constantly have to act/pretense as
though I am stable and sane, revealing my true volatile/chaotic/putrefying self to only a handful of close trusted people. And even then it must
be revealed in small doses, so they believe that I'll be "Okay", that I still have a grip on reality. I don't. My grip is a pretense. But so is everyone else's.
Who is insane: the one who knows s/he is pretending, or the one who really thinks/believes they're in control?

My personal experience/philosophy is that you have to go volatile/insane to free yourself from the fixed/sane program that was fed to you by society.
Society's idea of sanity is to be a good child, listen to your parents, go to school, clean your room, get good grades, get a job, get married, have
a family, accumulate things until your health fails or you grow old and die. Sanity is such a narrow slice of life/infinity. What about the other 98% -
the insanity? I want to know about that. And what if that leads to death? Sanity/society fears death/the unknown. It's insane to take one's own life.
But alchemy begins with death/nigredo, does it not? Besides the matter in the flask, does not the alchemist have to die?
Ever wonder what percent of life/infinity is having a body (being "alive") and what percent is not having one (being "dead")?
It's a scientific question - not just lunacy. Science is searching the universe, and having a body is definitely the minority compared to other planets.
Because we have bodies we make that the rule to measure life/intelligence in the universe by!? Maybe the rest of the planets are full of non-body beings
having a great time, not concerned with food, money, gas, going to the dentist, etc, etc, etc...

I'm not directing this post at you, the Fool. I'm just talking.
I would be interested in anyone's thoughts on the death of the alchemist.
What does it mean to you for the "initial subject" to die and return to chaos before being reborn?
How do you intend to do that?

Please don't respond here. I'll post the question in another part of the forum.

I sware on sea salt ormus. I had a pain in my brain for several months, almost went to the doctors, but stuck through it. It "woke" me up , I can do strange things with my brain, but don't know how to use it correctly.

THE PHILOSOPHER’S STONE
One of the major goals of Alchemy was “The preparation of aurum potabile, liquid gold, a sovereign remedy, because gold being itself perfect could produce peffection in the human frame.” -quoted from The History of Chemistry as quoted by Manly P. Hall in his The Secret Teachings of All Ages, p. CLV. Gold has long been called the metal of wisdom by the Illuminati. The Illuminati are well aware of the alchemical quest to create the correct type of gold which will bring enlightment to the world. The Rabbi’s, who know the Cabala, have considered the secret of white powdered gold the greatest secret of all times. Somehow the Egyptian Pharaoh’s had learned the secret of how to make white powdered gold which when seen up close is transparent--like the gold described in the Bible as making up the streets in heaven.

This gold is monotonic (with molecules in a high spin state), and looks like baking flour. It greatly enhances the pineal gland, and a similar substance of iridium greatly enhances the pituitary gland. Regular yellow gold or gold salts will cause the hair of the subject to fall out, but white gold is safe to ingest. After ingesting the white gold for over 9 months, a subject will become extremely psychic and disease free. The person’s body will also glow. Whether the Illuminati discovered this white gold, and have been using it secretly when their adepts went into hiding for months of long training, or whether they were only playing with substitutes we cannot say. (By the way, some occult groups groom slaves in the craft for 24 hours a day for a year.) At any rate, in recent years a man named David Hudson, who is of the Holy Blood line (13th Illuminati Bloodline, of the de Guise lineage), discovered and patented white gold. He named the white gold Ormus, which is the occult name for the Prieure de Sion.

Ormus also pertains to Gnosticism in the ancient world. Ormus is also the Hebrew words for “golden tree”, which David finds appropriate since this white gold is the elixir of life that the sho-bread (& manna) was made from. This is said to be the reason the Priest glowed when he came out of the Holy of Holies, after eating the sho-bread. David Hudson, told co-author Fritz that he was supportive of the cabalistic goal of Adam Kadmon. Because Hudson knew the cabala very well, it seems likely that he understands what Adam Kadmon is really all about. Monarch slaves of the House of Rothschild have revealed how the Illuminati are able to do what they call Proxying.

This is a Mind-Spirit transfer, done by the 1.twinning traumas, 2. channeling, 3. telepathic communication, and 4. astral projection so that all slaves worldwide are being pulled into one single interlinked Demonic One World Mind [this is the so called 'hive mind' characteristic of the Reptilian alien groups that dominate and interbreed with the human Illuminati..Ken Adachi]. We do not understand how white gold and iridium help the body become a semi-conductor so that the body is highly psychic, but it does. We hope to find out more. David Hudson has the patent (U.S. patent and some international patents) on white gold. There are a number of scientific studies on white gold which verify the power of white gold on the human body. When the co-author Fritz talked to David Hudson, he certainly knows the occult world exceptionally well, besides being skilled in the Cabala. He claims he has nothing to do with the occult world, and that he stays away from the Illuminati. He says that he took what was occult and turned it into science. The co-author’s talk with him left many questions. David Hudson has given mankind the most important secret that has captivated the best minds of the occult world for centuries, the Quest for the Philosopher’s Stone.

[Precautionary note from Ken Adachi:

Readers should be aware that Anna Hayes mentions in her books that taking mono atomic gold is ultimately harmful. She claims that the initial growth of psychic awareness is not permanent, but rather levels off and later declines. Further, she says that the promotion of mono atomic gold is an Illuminati deception. While attracting the public with sugar plums of enhanced psychic clarity and improved health, the ulterior purpose of promoting mono atomic gold is to cause the destruction of the ten virtual DNA strands which all humans possess and which are now manifesting into 3D reality as seen with the 3, 4, or even 5 strands of DNA that now show up in the blood of Blue Indigo (Millennium) children.

The destruction of the ten virtual DNA strands (unseen with 3rd dimension microscopes, but nevertheless still there in the higher 4th dimensional vibratory plane) prevents a human from activating these higher dimensional DNA strands and prevents access to higher spiritual awareness and telepathic abilities, as humans and mother Earth gradually increase our base vibratory frequency and ascend into the fourth dimension (a process that began in 1987 and will likely reach completion somewhere between 2018 and 2025). The activation of more than two strands of DNA is apparently necessary to exist in physical form in the fourth dimension. So now, the hidden purpose behind the promotion of mono atomic gold is perhaps becoming more evident: the Illuminati, the militarists, the satanists, the corrupt politicians, etc., and all those who serve the Dark Master, Lucifer, will not be allowed to reincarnate on a fourth dimensional Earth.

Thus, being confined to the 3rd dimension, the Illuminati wishes to keep their human slaves with them and not lose them to the joy, peace, and freedom of a higher dimensional Earth. When you consider that Sir Laurence Gardner, a high Illuminati insider (and full blooded Reptilian) has been continuously touting the glories of mono atomic gold in every radio interview show he's appeared on for the past few years (along with William Henry), you have to ask yourself, "should I embrace the recommendations of a satanist and high Illuminati front man or should I be running in the opposite direction as fast as I can?"]

source: http://educate-yourself.org
So i just post this here, becouse i was thinking to experiment with ORMUS too, but now, i willl first read a little more and contemplate a little bit more

I truely disagree. Fluoride is an Illuminati deception not white powder gold. If you become a superconductor, you will be not of this world like the "gods" of egypt. You will manifest instant thoughts, and so on. True monoatomic elements are found in fresh organic vegatables and fruit. Eat them and stay healthy. Are you saying thats a deception?........