Ignoring the extreme fishiness of calling the raise on the turn - I know it's very bad play and I shouldn't have done it, let's just say I had a good feeling - after hitting the the flush on the river, how should I play it? As it goes, I check/called anticipating he would bet.

Perhaps I should have bet it first but that's why I'm posting. How would you go about this? And as I did check and he bet, am I best off calling or should I have raised him?

#2

12th November 2012, 12:48 AM

Deco [2,540]

Poker at: PokerStars

Game: NLHE

I bet the flop, we've a flush draw lets build a pot up for when we hit it.
The turn isnt terrible, your not getting odds but your implied odds are good as your up against a fish. His passive appearing stats make me fold, if he has anything better than a pair our outs are tainted.

The river I'd bet out because I think it's unlikely villain has a flush. Fish are nopt very prone to raising flush draws, especially not on the turn so I think a set, two pair or even AQ is more likely. For the same reason now he has bet I checkraise to $2. You could probably even get away with checkraising all in as it appears our villain loves his hand regardless of the flushed river.

Even if villain does have a flush there are plenty of weaker flushes we beat, 23s-JTs/24s-J9s and loads of really junky suited hands should be just as numerous than Axs/Kxs.

#3

12th November 2012, 2:22 AM

acky100 [3,523]

Online Poker at: ZOOM

Game: NLHE

bet flop, bet larger on turn, bet river as played i'd check raise instead of check call the river, i dont think he takes this line with flush draws very much, more likely sets two pairs and bluffs.

#4

12th November 2012, 6:26 AM

naruto_miu [9,854]

Poker at: pokerstars

Game: omaha

Quote:

Originally Posted by acky100

bet flop, bet larger on turn, bet river as played i'd check raise instead of check call the river, i dont think he takes this line with flush draws very much, more likely sets two pairs and bluffs.

Sorry to disagree here (maybe I'm wrong), but um 44/1 never bluff actually they just (Spazz out, when they don't have to)..Yet I agree bet flop/then on turn bet again and just flat his rr on turn, than on river (It could go both ways), you could check knowing he's gonna bet because he raised on turn then "Tank hard", and Jam

But with the bet bet theory, the problem I'd find in this case would be the turn no? Say O.P bets flop, and 44/1 flats on flop, than on turn O.P again bets, and 44/1 Jams, than we know we are behind for sure, to either 2pair or set, so this is the only reason I wouldn't really bet turn in the 1st place (but could be wrong here also, so if my thinking is wrong plz let me know why)

#5

12th November 2012, 10:48 AM

acky100 [3,523]

Online Poker at: ZOOM

Game: NLHE

re: Poker & $2 NLHE 6-max: Hit a third nut flush (?) on the river OOP - what to do?

your thinking is wrong because you are saying you dont want to bet turn incase we are beat, this is an awful way to think about poker, because we dont care if he has us beat and shoves cause we will just fold, there is probably 10x more hands that are worse than ours that will still call.

once he raises the turn and if we call because we have the odds to draw, i dont mind x/shoving when we hit or leading out ourselves on the river but a lot of fish get scared when flush cards come in and check their sets and two pairs so i'd probably rather just lead.

But i stand by leading flop and turn 100%

#6

12th November 2012, 10:59 AM

JCgrind [2,490]

Poker at: Pokerstars

Game: 6Max NLHE

Quote:

Originally Posted by acky100

your thinking is wrong because you are saying you dont want to bet turn incase we are beat, this is an awful way to think about poker, because we dont care if he has us beat and shoves cause we will just fold, there is probably 10x more hands that are worse than ours that will still call.

once he raises the turn and if we call because we have the odds to draw, i dont mind x/shoving when we hit or leading out ourselves on the river but a lot of fish get scared when flush cards come in and check their sets and two pairs so i'd probably rather just lead.

But i stand by leading flop and turn 100%

+1.

fwiw i dont think turn is ever a fold, b/c seems completely fine. im always check/shoving river too when i make it.

whats with that line though? check/call a min bet on the flop then donk out for half pot on the turn? dafuq?

#7

12th November 2012, 4:59 PM

naruto_miu [9,854]

Online Poker at: pokerstars

Game: omaha

Quote:

Originally Posted by acky100

your thinking is wrong because you are saying you dont want to bet turn incase we are beat, this is an awful way to think about poker, because we dont care if he has us beat and shoves cause we will just fold

very good point, my thinking is wrong. I thank you for correcting it .

I'll try to work on that aspect of thinking but hard sense I'm so use to taking this approach

#8

13th November 2012, 8:38 PM

Jonny03UK [116]

Game: Hold'Em

Quote:

Originally Posted by acky100

bet flop, bet larger on turn, bet river as played i'd check raise instead of check call the river, i dont think he takes this line with flush draws very much, more likely sets two pairs and bluffs.

This sounds about right to me really. Looking back on it and knowing the result myself, I'll know how to play it in the future. He was holding Q8c and hit two pair.

#9

14th November 2012, 12:03 PM

KatVal [9]

Fold preflop. Bet out on the flop to disguise your hand and semibluff. Turni is fine, check/raise river.

#10

14th November 2012, 2:35 PM

Jonny03UK [116]

Game: Hold'Em

re: Poker & $2 NLHE 6-max: Hit a third nut flush (?) on the river OOP - what to do?

Quote:

Originally Posted by KatVal

Fold preflop.

Any other time and I probably would but it was 1p to call and the BB had a 0% pre-flop raise - I was definitely seeing a flop. I thought it was was worth it to see if I could hit a flush.

#11

15th November 2012, 4:05 PM

JCgrind [2,490]

Online Poker at: Pokerstars

Game: 6Max NLHE

Quote:

Originally Posted by KatVal

Fold preflop. Bet out on the flop to disguise your hand and semibluff. Turni is fine, check/raise river.