Im sure Logistiseal is a good product, and was probably a forerunner to products that ARE available to us mere mortals. Poly sealants like Opti Seal, Blackfire Wet Diamond and several others are designed for car enthusiasts....not jet airliners, and achieve excellent results for shine and protection for months at a time. Yes, some people like to enhance that poly shine with some type of carnuba wax that will shine and bead water for a few weeks, but most people using this two step process are pretty well aware of what they're doing.
As for swirls...they CAN be prevented....and CAN be removed. I know because I've done both.
Detailing has taken on a different perspective since Mr R.D. was in the business. People actually detail their cars as a hobby now, and enjoy the process and manufacturers have not wasted any time in supplying them with new products all the time. And there are several acknowledged experts quite willing to share tons of advice and information.
Auto owners....ESPECIALLY Jeep owners run the spectrum... from hunters and outdoorsmen who could care less how thier Jeeps look, to Off Road Enthusiasts who have a certain race inspired image to project, to guys who like to keep their Summits and SRTs in pristine condition.
There are products available to us, and methods to follow to enable us to maintain our Jeeps any way we like....even without Logistiseal.
P.S. For what it's worth...If I really want the Overland to look good after sealing my finish with Optimum Poly Seal...I'll wait a couple days for the finish to cure, then a quick wash and a coat of Collinite 845 Insulator Wax

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Auto owners....ESPECIALLY Jeep owners run the spectrum... from hunters and outdoorsmen who could care less how thier Jeeps look, to Off Road Enthusiasts who have a certain race inspired image to project, to guys who like to keep their Summits and SRTs in pristine condition.
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This is the absolute truth. My 2002 Liberty is an outdoor adventure support vehicle - it proudly sports "desert pin striping" and other signs of fun outings!!!! I sometimes hesitate to wash it as it looks more natural when dirty.

Im sure Logistiseal is a good product, and was probably a forerunner to products that ARE available to us mere mortals. Poly sealants like Opti Seal, Blackfire Wet Diamond and several others are designed for car enthusiasts....not jet airliners, and achieve excellent results for shine and protection for months at a time. Yes, some people like to enhance that poly shine with some type of carnuba wax that will shine and bead water for a few weeks, but most people using this two step process are pretty well aware of what they're doing.
As for swirls...they CAN be prevented....and CAN be removed. I know because I've done both.
Detailing has taken on a different perspective since Mr R.D. was in the business. People actually detail their cars as a hobby now, and enjoy the process and manufacturers have not wasted any time in supplying them with new products all the time. And there are several acknowledged experts quite willing to share tons of advice and information.
Auto owners....ESPECIALLY Jeep owners run the spectrum... from hunters and outdoorsmen who could care less how thier Jeeps look, to Off Road Enthusiasts who have a certain race inspired image to project, to guys who like to keep their Summits and SRTs in pristine condition.
There are products available to us, and methods to follow to enable us to maintain our Jeeps any way we like....even without Logistiseal.
P.S. For what it's worth...If I really want the Overland to look good after sealing my finish with Optimum Poly Seal...I'll wait a couple days for the finish to cure, then a quick wash and a coat of Collinite 845 Insulator Wax

Mr Mortal

Why do you mock me by referring to me as Mr. R&D, and saying things have changed since I was in the business. You asked for R&D from me,so what is your motive here.

Let me say that Logisticlean is not just for aircraft alone, and if you spent time there you would have noticed that.

I am well aware SOME people like to detail for a hobby, and many do not. Although, that does not mean that those who do not do not care how their car looks. When they come to forums for advise they realize that the effort and cost involved maintaining a vehicle with wax is just not worth it.You refer to "experts", and I say at what? Fixing swirl mark problems for a lot of money. Here is an example:

It took 2 so called experts 130 hours to cover up the swirls on this car. My question here is : WHY SHOULD AN EXPENSIVE CAR LOOK LIKE THIS IN THE FIRST PLACE? The usual response is someone did improper washing methods, or used a dirty wash mitt.

You mention swirl marks are preventable, and I ask how are they preventable using wax without correction. How many experts have stated what I say is the reason for swirl marks, and using a protection coating product like Opti Coat that bonds and seals the paint.

You are free to express your opinion, but I am too. You will notice, I am not a shill promoting one product line for money, but trying to give advice and solutions that are affordable, so the average person can maintain the natural shine and luster of the clear coat by washing the car, and not constantly polishing it.

In this video you will see how wax can cover up minor swirl marks without correction. You can also see here that all they do is slap more wax over the old wax without any correction at all. To me this is just a cheap pa lour trick At some point, the NXT wax will not cover the swirls that easy, and that is where I have issues with these big companies.

Here is another white lie of a video. They imply here that if you use their waxes it provides max protection. They never discuss what that is exactly, but for people who know better it is misleading IMO. There is no real protection in this wax at all, and they know that.

This is the absolute truth. My 2002 Liberty is an outdoor adventure support vehicle - it proudly sports "desert pin striping" and other signs of fun outings!!!! I sometimes hesitate to wash it as it looks more natural when dirty.

Desert Hiker

Didn't Subaru base a whole ad campaign around that theme?

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In my experience, you can fix scratches and swirls, it takes time and several stages of the right polishing(took me 19 hrs to fix not FILL a corvettes scratches) except for something through the paint. Certain waxes are meant to bond with certain sealers..I.e. BFWD and midnight sun. Waxes tend to give a warmer polished candy look, sealers a little deeper wetter look. I like BFWD, easy on/off great looks. I have dodo juice, chemical guys etc...you're only going to get 4-6wks out of a good wax, sealer maybe up to 6 months in my experience. I currently use Esoteric Signature Wax(made with Polish Angel) it's a wax/sealer combo when not doing a glass coating. I personally have gotten about 4 months out of it and still sheeting well through Ohio winter on black paint last year. I did our '13 with 22PLE Pro glass coating after winter, and my charger with Gtechniq Exo v2. They last a couple years, wash it and forget it and they bead like a fresh wax for those couple years, reduce swirls, bird crap etching, etc. Soap is key, you need a prep wash and a maintenance wash, and the right towels. I'm one of those that waxes under the hood and door edges, totally anal, some wax it twice a year and are fine with that. For almost $50k for a new jeep, it's too expensive not to take care of. Just my opinion. Heres a pic of 22ple beading on our black hemi, BFWD on a Volvo, and Esoteric signature wax on our new white diesel