Is there anyone genuinely excited about this? Anything positive I've read seems to come at it from the angle of "Well, I saw Barman v Superman and Suicide Squad and they weren't COMPLETE wastes of time, so...."

I understand that there are people that are genuinely excited for this. I'm happy for them. Really, I am. I'm not a DC fanboy. I really enjoyed a lot of Batman over the years (comics and films)....I watched Superfriends as a kid....loved the first two Christopher Reeve films. I mention all this because as a Marvel fan, I admittedly give them leeway in terms of quality - sometimes it's just cool seeing the property on screen. If it's quality, then I'll over-enjoy it. I can't do that with DC. I need quality to suck me in. The Man of Steel trailer sucked me in....and I didn't enjoy the movie. I felt nothing with the Batman vs Superman trailer...and found the Director's Cut okay. I can't bring myself to watch Suicide Squad. I really wanted to enjoy this trailer and felt absolutely nothing....and I hate that. Maybe I'm not even close to being the target audience for this, and I'm okay with that. I'm just really disappointed.

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looks fun, and despite the imperfections and detractors i think DC is creating their own style and sensibility with these movies, it is more of a throwback feel in a way, the fantastical ideas of heroes and super-powers that was there in the early days of comics

Mario-Francisco Robles wrote:UPDATE:Shortly we after we published the original report on the extensive Justice League reshoots, our source contacted us to offer further clarification:

“There are more reshoots COMING SOON. There have been a bunch but they’re going to do MORE.”The clarification was necessary because initial conversations made it unclear whether or not Warner Bros. was finally done overhauling the film. Now we know that, in addition to reshoots and on-the-spot rewrites, the studio has scheduled even additional photography to help get the final product into tip top shape.

ORIGINAL STORY:Justice League fans, we’ve got some big stuff to share with you here. But before we get started, let’s make a couple of things crystal clear:

Yes, we know reshoots are a normal part of every major film’s production cycle. Those kinds of run-of-the-mill business-as-usual reshoots are not what this story is about.

We are, by no means, inferring that this means doom or gloom for the DCEU tentpole. There are plenty of films that have been given serious facelifts in recent history that went on to be pretty damn good, so none of this is meant to say “Grab on tight! JUSTICE LEAGUE is gonna take you on an express train to Suckville!“Which brings us to some really interesting news we’ve just received from one of our highly trusted sources…

We’re hearing that Justice League has undergone some serious reshoots.

[Quick Note on Our Source: This is the same person that informed us of how extensive the reshoots for Rogue One: A Star Wars Story ended up being- which we broke when we worked elsewhere, and this person is so intimately connected to the Justice League production that they told us about Ben Affleck’s visit to rehab weeks before the star publicly acknowledged his personal struggles. Even as we tried to verify the Affleck story, with several people saying there was no truth to it, this source was adamant that the Batman star was seeking help for an alcohol problem. We didn’t run the story, because we’re not a celebrity gossip site, but when Affleck eventually revealed his rehab stint to the world, it only cemented our faith in this source, and confirmed that they’re very close to the situation.]

So about the serious reshoots…Initially, we shrugged. “So? All these kinds of movies do. That’s totally normal. Who cares?” That was our attitude about it, and we asked them what was so special about what was going on with Justice League. We specifically asked if it was the standard kinds of pick-ups and reshoots that these films typically require, or if they were the kind that were going to change the film in a major way. They responded that the changes being made to the film were “significant.”

Okay. Vague.

“How significant?” we asked.

Speaking on a condition of anonymity, they said that in the 17 months between the start of principal photography and the final cut arriving in theaters in November that the film will have essentially been “remade…twice.”

They refused to offer any further details, but they said that Warner Bros. is really putting everything it has into overhauling the movie. Apparently, they didn’t like what they were seeing and so the film has had a lot of work put into trying to make it better while on its way towards its November 2017 release.

Again, this can all be for the best. As a fan of these characters and stories, we’re all pulling for a badass movie.

But just how important is it for Warner Bros. to get this movie right?

Very. Why?

Justice League is set to be the culmination of years of planning, going back to 2012 when Zack Snyder’s Man of Steel was in production. Snyder and the brain trust at Warner Bros. knew full well that they wanted the film to act as the first entry in a new shared universe of movies based on the DC Comics property that the studio has owned since the late 1960s. The film would introduce us to an all-new take on Superman, which would be followed up by Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice– a movie that would blow everything wide open by giving us fresh interpretations of Batman, Wonder Woman, and Lex Luthor, as well as glimpses of The Flash, Aquaman, and Cyborg. The plan with that film was to set up DC’s marquee super-team: The Justice League.

The problem is…Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice didn’t really pass the baton on so nicely, in terms of transferring momentum to Justice League. The film was ravaged by critics, and it was extremely divisive amongst fans (who awarded it the same so-so CinemaScore they gave the failed Green Lantern movie). From a financial standpoint, trusted industry news outlet Deadline’s experts have deduced that the film only made a net profit of $105.7 million, which is quite mediocre when you consider that Warner Bros. invested hundreds of millions of dollars in the film hoping it would make north of a billion dollars the way the previous two solo Batman films had. Instead, it topped out at $873 worldwide, with the lion’s share of that money going towards covering costs.

To illustrate how disappointing the net profit margin for Dawn of Justice was, Warner Bros. actually made more money off of Suicide Squad than they did on the epic first-ever cinematic confrontation between Batman and Superman. Yes, that other 2016 DC release brought the studio $158 million, as per Deadline.

How does all of this tie into what’s going on with Justice League? Well, due to the way that the studio had lined up its production slate for the DCEU, the superhero smackdown entered production mere weeks after Batman v Superman began its disappointing run. And it did so with essentially the same creative forces as Dawn of Justice, i.e. creative forces that produced a film that underperformed and failed to create widespread goodwill for the DC brand. This would mean that Warner Bros. would have to roll up its sleeves and be very hands-on with the production of Justice League, in order to make sure that it soared where Dawn of Justice soured.

Rumors began right away that Snyder was no longer going to be the DCEU’s visionary, and that he was going to be on a very tight leash while working on Justice League. To that end, Ben Affleck and George Miller- two successful directors- were brought onto the film as producers. Meanwhile, higher up the food chain, Warner Bros. brought in DC Comics guru Geoff Johns to be the new Chief Creative Officer and Co-President of DC Entertainment. The studio hoped that surrounding Snyder with the right people might help him create a film that had wider appeal and be more beloved by the masses.

You may recall that Jason Momoa posted this image, celebrating the initial “wrapping” of Justice League‘s production way back in October of 2016. (Side Note: Knowing what we now know about Affleck, the image is kind of hard to look at.)

Several months later, though, Momoa was summoned back to the Justice League set for reshoots. Heck, his 2018 solo Aquaman movie was even delayed a grand total of five months (from July 27, to October 5, to December 21) during Justice League‘s post-production cycle. The actor had to cancel an Oz Comic-Con appearance as recently as March because he was needed for JL, to give you some sense of what the reshoots have meant to the actor’s schedule.

We were unable to get a timetable for when, exactly, the reshoots took place, or a list of who was involved. All we were told was the sheer size and scope of the work that was done, and the general idea that these were not the standard kinds of reshoots that major motion pictures typically undergo. Our source would know. No, these were the kinds of reshoots that imply there’s a very nervous studio trying to do everything it can to fix something.

With the recent news that King Arthur was set to be a colossal bomb for Warner Bros, and with projections for Wonder Woman making it look like it’ll open $20 million less than Marvel’s Doctor Strange (who has nowhere near the kind of household recognition or importance of DC’s iconic heroine) in its opening frame, you really can’t blame the studio for being nervous.

But, again, none of this is to say that Justice League won’t turn out great. Just look at the aforementioned Rogue One. That film ended up having half of itself reshot (with a different writer and director, no less!) and still ended up being well-received.

I’m reminded of a quote that came from Riz Ahmed, one of the stars of Rogue One, around the time of its release:

“There were a ton of reshoots. But if people want to read anything into that, I’d encourage them to read into it the guts it takes to unpick stitching rather than just try to embroider over it, to make it right. I admire [Lucasfilm President] Kathleen [Kennedy] and Gareth [Edwards] and the whole team for having the guts to go, ‘Let’s reopen this. Let’s do some of this again.’ I think it’s because they really care – and hopefully that’s something that shows when people see the film.”

Why do I bring that up? Because it speaks to the idea that extensive reshoots aren’t inherently bad. It all comes down to the way in which the additional work is incorporated into the film. Are they reopening Justice League and fixing things from the inside out like LucasFilm did with Rogue One? Or are they just adding a bunch of scenes they think will smooth out the edges, but end up making for an unfinished and uneven final product like what happened with David Ayer’s Suicide Squad? The latter film was destroyed by critics for being too scattershot and inconsistent, and it was later revealed that the studio had cut together “six or seven” different versions of the movie after spending millions on reshoots and extending post-production on the DC flick.

As DC fans, we can only hope that Warner Bros. learned from last year’s mistakes and takes a more measured approach towards the overhaul of Justice League. Even Batman v Superman suffered from hasty decision-making, with many fans thinking the “Ultimate Edition” that came out a few months later on blu-ray was vastly superior to the theatrical cut that the studio created of the film when they became concerned about the final product. The studio’s not in a great place right now, and they need these big budget franchise films to start living up to the time and money they’re investing in them.

When a film about a relatively little-known character like Deadpool makes its studio 3x as much profit as the loaded Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice did (Fox made $322 net profit on the movie), you know its time to start reevaluating how you’re doing things. Let’s hope Warner Bros. is taking its time and creating a Justice League movie we’ll never forget.

We’ll just have to wait and see. For now? Just know that things have been anything but business-as-usual for our Super Friends in the Justice League.

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Edward Cambro wrote:It turns out Joss Whedon was involved with Justice League prior to the tragic events that led to director Zack Snyder’s departure. It was initially believed that Whedon had come to Warner Bros. to only write and direct the upcoming Batgirl adaptation, but producer Charles Roven has confirmed he has been aiding Snyder during the post-production phase. Despite the upcoming reshoots and Snyder’s departure, Justice League is still on track for its November 2017 release date. The film will feature Batman (Ben Affleck), Superman (Henry Cavill), Wonder Woman (Gal Gadot), The Flash (Ezra Miller), Aquaman (Jason Mamoa) and Cyborg (Ray Fisher) as the titular superhero team fighting against the forces of Darkseid.

Zack Snyder has been an integral part of the DC Extended Universe since he directed 2013’s Man of Steel – the film that laid the groundwork for a shared universe that was then further explored in Snyder’s Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice in 2016. Snyder also directed Justice League, though he stepped down recently to grieve the death of his daughter, Autumn. Joss Whedon, the former Avengers director, has since stepped up to finish post-production on Justice League. The extent of Whedon’s involvement, however, has been unclear until now.

At the Los Angeles premiere of Wonder Woman, DCEU producer Charles Roven told Variety that Whedon was already involved with Justice League before Snyder announced his departure:

“We’re excited about the film, of course, but we were saddened by the events that caused Zack Snyder and Deborah Snyder to have to leave and turn the reins over to Joss Whedon. He was already working with us on some of the scenes for that additional photography that we’re going to be doing shortly. It was fortunate that Zack convinced him, and he agreed to step in and finish the movie – to help Zack finish his vision. We’re excited about that.”

It’s been reported that Whedon was merely sanding down the rough edges and working on dialogue for the Justice League re-shoots, which he was going to direct. However, it seems that Snyder brought Whedon in well in advance of his departure to work on the script. The re-shoots are said to be minor, which is common for big-budget blockbusters like these. While Warner Bros. and Whedon himself have stated that he is only going to fulfill Zack Snyder’s vision for the film, there is still the lingering question of Justice League 2 and the DCEU’s future, which we likely see more fresh blood brought in and a greater emphasis on the role Geoff Johns has as president of DC Entertainment, to godfather the creative direction of these franchises.

Initially, Snyder was expected to direct both the first and second Justice League movies one after the other. However, last year it was reported that Snyder would instead be directing his stalled war drama The Last Photograph after Justice League, before potentially returning to helm the second Justice League installment. It has also been reported that WB is prioritizing DCEU projects like The Batman ahead of Justice League 2, so there should be all the more time now for Snyder to take a break from the DCEU before returning for Justice League 2 – should he so decide to, down the line.

THR JUNE 14, 2017:'Justice League': Danny Elfman to Compose Score (Exclusive) - Elfman worked with Joss Whedon on 'Avengers: Age of Ultron.'

Borys Kit wrote:Superman, Batman and now … Elfman.

Danny Elfman is set to dole out the sweet sound of justice, coming on board to compose the score for Justice League, Warner Bros.’ all-star superhero extravaganza, The Hollywood Reporter has learned.

The hiring comes just as additional photography, with director Joss Whedon standing in for Zack Snyder, for the movie gets underway in London. Whedon is overseeing the new shoot and postproduction work on Justice League after Snyder stepped aside to deal with a family tragedy.

Snyder had been working with Antonius Tom Holkenborg, aka Junkie XL, on the movie. Holkenborg, who scored Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice and counts movies like Mad Max: Fury Road and Deadpool among his credits, is now moving on to Tomb Raider, according to sources.

Elfman has some familiarity with coming in late on projects and with working with Whedon. He was brought on board in the later stages of making Whedon’s 2015 superhero movie Avengers: Age of Ultron, adding to the music already written by Brian Tyler.

Elfman is one of the big names in the movie music field, known for his longtime work with director Tim Burton, early comic book movies Batman and Batman Returns, among them. He also worked with Sam Raimi on Spider-Man and Spider-Man 2, among the filmmaker’s other titles.

One assumes that Junkie XL had been working on it for a while (since it basically starting production straight after Batman vs Superman). Seems a tad unfair to dump him, unless we're not getting the full story.

Fried Gold wrote:One assumes that Junkie XL had been working on it for a while (since it basically starting production straight after Batman vs Superman). Seems a tad unfair to dump him, unless we're not getting the full story.

I have a feeling he's just moved on to other projects and didn't have time to score the re-shoots.

Fried Gold wrote:I can't actually remember any of the score from Age of Ultron.

One assumes that Junkie XL had been working on it for a while (since it basically starting production straight after Batman vs Superman). Seems a tad unfair to dump him, unless we're not getting the full story.

UPDATE: We received a statement from Holkenborg:“As my mentor Hans Zimmer told me you haven’t made it in Hollywood as a composer until you get replaced on a project. So I guess I finally graduated this week. It pains me to leave the project, but a big thanks to Zack for asking me to part of his vision, and I wish Danny, Joss and Warner Bros all the best with Justice League.”

Mario-Francisco Robles wrote:UPDATE:Shortly we after we published the original report on the extensive Justice League reshoots, our source contacted us to offer further clarification:

“There are more reshoots COMING SOON. There have been a bunch but they’re going to do MORE.”The clarification was necessary because initial conversations made it unclear whether or not Warner Bros. was finally done overhauling the film. Now we know that, in addition to reshoots and on-the-spot rewrites, the studio has scheduled even additional photography to help get the final product into tip top shape.

Kim Masters & Graeme McMillan wrote:Warners could hypothetically create dual Batmen, keeping Affleck in the role for a planned Justice League follow-up, while letting Reeves cast his movie with a different star. But that hardly seems likely. The first Justice League already is at an inflection point: Director Zack Snyder has stepped away in mid-production and his successor, Joss Whedon, is said to be doing extensive reshoots.

Mario-Francisco Robles wrote:UPDATE:Shortly we after we published the original report on the extensive Justice League reshoots, our source contacted us to offer further clarification:

“There are more reshoots COMING SOON. There have been a bunch but they’re going to do MORE.”The clarification was necessary because initial conversations made it unclear whether or not Warner Bros. was finally done overhauling the film. Now we know that, in addition to reshoots and on-the-spot rewrites, the studio has scheduled even additional photography to help get the final product into tip top shape.

Kim Masters & Graeme McMillan wrote:Warners could hypothetically create dual Batmen, keeping Affleck in the role for a planned Justice League follow-up, while letting Reeves cast his movie with a different star. But that hardly seems likely. The first Justice League already is at an inflection point: Director Zack Snyder has stepped away in mid-production and his successor, Joss Whedon, is said to be doing extensive reshoots.

Yeah, that's pretty much the vibe I got from this. After MoS and BvS, it just feels forced as hell in this trailer. And kudos to them for spoiling Superman's obvious return throughout this and the poster. I mean, it was going to happen, but damn.....a little attempt at a surprise would have been nice.

You know why Wonder Woman was so good? Because there was fucking sunshine in it! I am so sick and tired of the DC Dark color palette. Even Singer's Superman Returns had sunshine! Fucking DC is attempting to trigger Seasonal Affective Disorder like Saving Private Ryan triggered shellshock in vets.

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The studio, which had no comment on the scheduling trouble, is spending approximately $25 million on extensive reshoots that have dragged on for roughly two months in London and Los Angeles, according to multiple insiders. Like “The Avengers,” “Justice League” centers on a group of superheroes who band together to save the world. The ensemble nature of the comic book movie, and the fact that its cast includes several of the most in-demand actors working in Hollywood today, is creating scheduling headaches that have prolonged the shooting.

It’s standard for big Hollywood movies to schedule a few weeks of pick-up work, but the cost and time allotted to the work on “Justice League” is raising some eyebrows. Reshoots, or additional photography, to use the preferred studio nomenclature, traditionally cost between $6 million and $10 million, and rarely have to juggle so many competing schedules. They typically last a week or two.

Though stars like Ben Affleck and Gal Gadot, who play Batman and Wonder Woman, aren’t working on any other projects at the moment, enabling them to be on call for the filming, other cast members such as Ezra Miller and Henry Cavill have been scrambling to accommodate the additional photography.

Miller is reprising his “Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them” role in the film’s sequel, which started filming earlier this summer. Sources indicate that since that is also a Warner Bros. property, scheduling has been easier. The studio has gone out of its way to make him available, but his growing role in the world of wizarding series has made it difficult for him to suit up as the Flash on the same days that other co-stars are available.

Cavill’s issues are even more thorny. “Justice League’s” Man of Steel had expected to be able to finish shooting the sixth “Mission: Impossible” film before needing to don Superman’s spandex again. That has not been the case, however, as the new scenes that are being shot have required him to jump back and forth from each production. Because of this, a mustache he grew for his character in the “Mission: Impossible” sequel will have to be digitally removed in post-production. Paramount, which is distributing the “Mission: Impossible” sequel, would not allow Cavill to shave the facial hair while production was taking place.

Then there is the question of crediting. Joss Whedon has now spent months overseeing the project, but he will not receive a co-directing credit, according to an insider. Whedon stepped in to handle the reshoots and finish the film this spring after director Zack Snyder publicly excused himself from the project, following his daughter’s suicide in March. Whedon won’t just be rewarded with a studly paycheck. He may also get a producing credit or a screenplay credit. There’s some precedent. Tony Gilroy, who stepped in for director Gareth Edwards to oversee reshoots for “Rogue One: A Star Wars Story,” earned a screenwriting credit.

A similar problem exists for the Han Solo spinoff film. Last month, Disney and Lucasfilm fired directors Phil Lord and Chris Miller and replaced them with Ron Howard. It’s unclear if Howard will receive sole credit for shooting the film or will share it with his two predecessors.

Sources say “Justice League” reshoots have been used to punch up the dialogue. Whedon, the director of “The Avengers,” is well respected for his ability to create memorably wry exchanges between his characters. The set pieces Snyder shot are said to be usable, but Whedon has been working on “connective tissue” that was needed to link sequences.

“Justice League” is spending the kind of time and money on reshoots that mid-budget films would have to shoot an entire movie. However, this is no longer an anomaly. Major studio movies have become so complicated and expensive, and are often key parts in sprawling franchises, that companies will spend lavishly, even late in the production, to ensure that audiences come out in force. “Rogue One: A Star Wars Story” and “World War Z” both had extensive reshoots, and went on to be commercially and critically successful. “Suicide Squad,” another DC film, also did a lot of extra filming with mixed results. The movie was a box office hit, but critics savaged the picture. Going forward, Warner Bros. has changed its greenlighting process. It will now factor weeks and millions of dollars of additional photography into the production budgets of its major comic book films, according to insiders. Other studios have made similar accommodations on their big-budget films.

The reports of re-shoots have alarmed some fans of the DC franchise. At San Diego Comic-Con last weekend, where sneak footage of the film earned a rock concert reception, the “Justice League” cast used its Hall H panel to downplay the extent of the additional photography.

“They’re brief if anything,” said Ray Fisher, who plays Cyborg. “Zack picked a great director to help clean up for us.”

Affleck also used the panel to shoot down a report that he was leaving the franchise.

“Batman is the coolest part in any universe — DC, Marvel,” he said. “It’s incredible.”

Brandon Davis | wrote:While promoting 99 Homes, Shannon spoke with ScreenRant about the recent rumor he, himself, started with a statement about being on set for Batman v. Superman wearing flippers on his hands but Shannon quickly debunked the interesting news, saying "Flippers? I think that might be a prime example of my scatological humor. People ask me a lot about Batman v Superman and I really don’t have anything to say about it, so sometimes I just make up stuff, which I’m sure Warner Bros. is really happy about."

Yeah, that's pretty much the vibe I got from this. After MoS and BvS, it just feels forced as hell in this trailer. And kudos to them for spoiling Superman's obvious return throughout this and the poster. I mean, it was going to happen, but damn.....a little attempt at a surprise would have been nice.

You know why Wonder Woman was so good? Because there was fucking sunshine in it! I am so sick and tired of the DC Dark color palette. Even Singer's Superman Returns had sunshine! Fucking DC is attempting to trigger Seasonal Affective Disorder like Saving Private Ryan triggered shellshock in vets.

yeah, as opposed to Marvel's formula of "humor, humor, humor, humor, humor, heart, meaningless death that has no weight, humor, humor, humor LAUGH dammit! now reflect how we all really love each other"?? WB's formula sounds like a refreshing departure

Peven, nobody said anything about Marvel in this conversation except for you. You don't HAVE to bring a straw man with you into every disagreement, you know; I promise it'll be okay.

But if we're going there, they're pretty much shamelessly copying Marvel's playbook at this point, right down to hiring the guy who shot The Avengers to re-shoot their Avengers rip-off. Not much of a departure.

MICHAEL ROTHMAN wrote:When reports surfaced earlier this week Superman actor Henry Cavill was filming "Justice League" reshoots with a mustache, which would later have to be digitally removed, fans lost their minds.

The actor, who is currently shooting "Mission: Impossible 6," took to Instagram to address the "fiasco" and try to calm fans. Yes, you read that right.

His cheeky post began "Dear followers."

"It is time to finally set the record straight in this moustache fiasco," he wrote. "Pictured above, is not a set on 'MI6' but is in fact the latest in a series of weapons being designed by Warner Bros and Paramount Studios to combat the entity known as 'Henry Cavill's Moustache,'" he continued.

After his joke, he added that "there has been no discussion over whether to shave or not to shave for the JL reshoots, simply a relentless campaign to put an end to the seemingly inexorable conquest of this despotic 'stache.'"

He then said he fully is aware that the "beast" of a mustache has to go "without bringing our own doom raining down upon us."

It's another track from the soundtrack. It's picking up interest in that it appears to sound like every major superhero movie soundtrack from the past forty years (and even contain a bit of the John Williams Superman theme).