OTTAWA, Ontario, February 28, 2011 (LifeSiteNews.com)  In a recent parliamentary session on a bill relating to sexual offenses against children, psychology experts claimed that pedophilia is a sexual orientation comparable to homosexuality or heterosexuality, a definition that was questioned by one Member of Parliament who was present.

Bill C-54, an Act to Amend the Criminal Code, seeks to increase or impose mandatory minimum penalties or punishment on sexual offenders of children for particular crimes.

Parliamentary discussion on February 14 centered on the mandatory minimum imprisonment and how offenders respond to treatment. Dr. Vernon Quinsey and Dr. Hubert Van Gijseghem, experts on the issue, were called to witness.

When we speak of therapy or when individuals get therapy and we feel as though everyone is pacified, the good news is often illusory, said Van Gijseghem, psychologist and retired professor of the University of Montreal.

Pedophiles are not simply people who commit a small offence from time to time but rather are grappling with what is equivalent to a sexual orientation just like another individual may be grappling with heterosexuality or even homosexuality, emphasized Van Gijseghem.

True pedophiles have an exclusive preference for children, which is the same as having a sexual orientation. You cannot change this persons sexual orientation. He added, however: He may however remain abstinent.

MP Serge Ménard later praised the witnesses. Mr. Van Gijseghem and Mr. Quinsey, said Ménard, corrected some of our impressions.

However, MP Marc Lemay of the Bloc Quebecois challenged Van Gijseghems definition. I have to admit that I was not expecting, on this Valentines Day, to be talking about this inappropriate type of love. It is not really love. It has more to do with violence and control. I am concerned, Professor Van Gijseghem because you say, if I am not mistaken, that pedophilia is a sexual orientation.

That is what I said, continued Van Gijseghem.

Lemay pursued the point, asking if it therefore should be compared to homosexuality.

Yes, or heterosexuality, responded Van Gijseghem. If, for instance, you were living in a society where heterosexuality is proscribed or prohibited and you were told that you had to get therapy to change your sexual orientation, you would probably say that that is slightly crazy. In other words, you would not accept that at all. I use this analogy to say that, yes indeed, pedophiles do not change their sexual orientation.

During his witness, Quinsey, professor emeritus of psychology at Queens University, said that pedophiles sexual interests prefer prepubescent children. There is no evidence, he said, that this sort of preference can be changed through treatment or through anything else.

You can manage the risk that sex offenders present - even pedophiles, added Quinsey, Its not necessarily that they need to change their sexual orientation; they need to learn to control themselves, with our help. In my opinion, society and no one around this table will accept pedophilia, even if it is a sexual orientation, said Lemay, I recall a period, not too long ago, when homosexuality was treated as an illness. It is now accepted, society has accepted it I cannot imagine pedophilia being accepted in 2011. You are telling me that even if we were to impose a five-year minimum on people it would not solve the problem. Once they get out of jail, they reoffend. That is worrisome.

One columnist in the Toronto Sun, Brian Lilley, expressed shock at Van Gijseghems testimony: what really shocked me was the Universite de Montreal professor, Dr. Hubert Van Gijseghem, who showed up to tell MPs pedophilia was a sexual orientation just like heterosexuality or homosexuality. He argued that its time to take our country back by ignoring the experts.

As insane as this "doctor" sounds (Imagine a society where heterosexuality is "proscribed". How long would THAT last? What a loon!), he is the leading edge of a juggernaut to normalize every manner of sexual perversion and depredation.

Once homosexuality had been "normalized", I believe that most of us in this forum knew that medical normalization of pedophilia was coming. We just didn't know whether it would come before normalization of polyamory, incest, bestiality, and necrophilia.

Heterosexuality can never become merely an orientation; its unique procreative properties undeniably set it apart.

Therefore, in a way, I wonder if it wouldn't be GOOD if pedophilia were considered to be an orientation. Rather than elevating pedophilia, wouldn't it serve to diminish the status of "orientation" versus nature's obvious plan? Perhaps it's best if homosexuality is (ahem) on all fours with pedophilia,as orientations.

You just can't call heterosexuality an "orientation." It's observably more than that. Even if one doesn't procreate, the instincts that lead us to the opposite sex are obviously there to serve the propagation of the species.

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posted on 03/02/2011 5:12:15 AM PST
by Huck
(Only 1,967 years until the Reign of Dr. Zaius!)

This is the cliff that the slippery slope of legitimizing sexual perversion comes to.

You are exactly right.

In the past I have personalized this argument with people. I try to use a named loved one of theirs. A daughter, granddaughter or someone close to them. I use the example of a pedophile wanting to have a sexual relationship them and then I ask the person what gives you the "moral authority" to say they can't have your relative?? Obviously our society has a "code" that finds it unacceptable - but the usual response is "because it's not right." If the person tries to list any reference to a bible they are trapped because bibles of old still have the listed sin of homosexuality which is "normal" to the brainwashed citizens.

When people refuse to have an established moral code they reap this "benefit" of "everyone does what is right in their own eyes." A pedophile, homosexual or bestiality - hey they are "sexual orientations" leave these poor people alone and let them "enjoy" their lives!

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posted on 03/02/2011 5:25:23 AM PST
by missnry
(The truth will set you free ... and drive liberals Crazy!)

EDITORIAL: At the president's pleasure'Safe school czar' encouraged child sex with an older manSeptember 28, 2009

A teacher was told by a 15-year-old high school sophomore that he was having homosexual sex with an "older man." At the very least, statutory rape occurred. Fox News reported that the teacher violated a state law requiring that he report the abuse. That former teacher, Kevin Jennings, is President Obama's "safe school czar". It's getting hard to keep track of all of this president's problematic appointments. Clearly, the process for vetting White House employees has broken down.

In this one case in which Mr. Jennings had a real chance to protect a young boy from a sexual predator, he not only failed to do what the law required but actually encouraged the relationship.

According to Mr. Jennings' own description in a new audiotape discovered by Fox News, the 15-year-old boy met the "older man" in a "bus station bathroom" and was taken to the older man's home that night. When some details about the case became public, Mr. Jennings threatened to sue another teacher who called his failure to report the statutory rape "unethical." Mr. Jennings' defenders asserted that there was no evidence that he was aware the student had sex with the older man.

However, the new audiotape contradicts this claim. In 2000, Mr. Jennings gave a talk to the Iowa chapter of the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network, an advocacy group that promotes homosexuality in schools. On the tape, Mr. Jennings recollected that he told the student to make sure "to use a condom" when he was with the older man. That he actively encouraged the relationship is reinforced by Mr. Jennings' own description in his 1994 book, "One Teacher in 10." In that account, the teacher boasts how he allayed the student's concerns about the relationship to such a degree that the 15-year-old "left my office with a smile on his face that I would see every time I saw him on the campus for the next two years, until he graduated."

Mr. Jennings' denials about these events reveal a lack of remorse. He has not admitted that he made mistakes in this case, and he now refuses to answer any questions about the scandal. Don't forget, this is a presidential appointee we're talking about. Mr. Obama should make clear what his standards are for public servants serving at the pleasure of the president. Encouraging and covering up man-boy sexual activity are serious offenses. The White House should force Mr. Jennings to come clean.

I have to believe that it is an orientation, and also believe that it is not curable. I had a client whose husband was like this and he never was able to lick it. She, of course, was heart broken and left him; it even carried over to his own children. So sad. I think castration might be the solution.

Once homosexuality had been "normalized", I believe that most of us in this forum knew that medical normalization of pedophilia was coming. We just didn't know whether it would come before normalization of polyamory, incest, bestiality, and necrophilia.

Most of us have been saying this for many years. It is a slippery slope of epic proportion. Sexual depravity of any kind cannot be 'normalized' without the next guy saying: "what about me? I'm not that big of a freak now.". Yet, all of the libtards said that argument was unfounded and just Conservative ignorance. Well..................

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posted on 03/02/2011 5:32:04 AM PST
by RobertClark
(On a long enough timeline the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.)

Homosexuality and Pedophilia and other perversions are loved by Liberals. To liberals bad is good.

Which was the whole point of the Aldous Huxley book Brave New World, written in the 1930's. Bad is good. Good is bad. Normal is perversion. Perversion is normal. He saw it coming. We were warned.............

It's sickening. It wasn't that long ago when open homosexuality within our society was nonexistent, but in a relatively short period of time it went from being a mental disorder to a “bona fide” variation of the DNA strand (coughBScough). The path has been cleared for NAMBLA and the liberals are in place to testify to being “born that way”, demand their rights to “love as they see fit” and force it on the rest of us bitter clingers.

You’re using an argument that I’ve developed recently in a more general manner.

Usually the people who try to say that homosexuality is morally OK use relativism as their justification - ie, you can’t impose YOUR value system on others (which is what they are doing with their relativistic value system - but that’s another argument).

They reject the idea of moral absolutes, especially those written down in the Christian Bible.

However, they don’t really think that way. They believe THEIR value system is superior to yours, but the only way that ANY value system could be better or worse than another is by comparing both to an external absolute standard.

So, they either have to admit that their value system cannot be “better”, or they have to accept the existence of an absolute. If the latter, that absolute has to be referenced and agreed upon by everyone. And where are we to find this? aha!

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posted on 03/02/2011 5:43:11 AM PST
by MrB
(The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)

I agree with you. Modern psychology cannot apparently grasp the concept of sin and temptation so clearly evident in man and described in the Bible. The Bible also offers a cure. We are all essentially evil, each of us dealing with temptation. Christians understand this, repent and gain spiritual support to resist it. What’s a secular person to do when they don’t even accept a moral code beyond what they themselves devise?

Modern psychology cannot apparently grasp the concept of sin and temptation so clearly evident in man and described in the Bible.

Grasp sin? They embrace it!A prominent Beverly Hills psychiatrist who has helped decide hundreds of child-custody disputes was thrown off one recent case and has been challenged in at least two others after posting lewd photos of himself on Facebook and allegedly promoting illegal drug use, unprotected sex and male prostitution. Dr. Joseph Kenan, president of the American Society for Adolescent Psychiatry, is also being investigated by the Medical Board of California on at least four complaints by parents who hired him to do custody evaluations, according to records and correspondence reviewed by The Times. Among the postings on Facebook and other websites under the slightly different names of "Joe Kegan" and "Joe Keegan" were photos showing Kenan baring his buttocks to the camera in public and another of him posing with a friend holding a cake that explicitly depicted a sexual act, court records state. The litigation over Kenan's fitness sheds light on a highly influential, but lightly regulated, group of experts  the evaluators who advise family courts in contested custody cases.

America may go back to fiscal conservatism but liberalism is still advancing. Liberals will label pedophilia an “orientation” rather than a perversion or, more clinically, a disorder. Once “normalized” it becomes a “lifestyle” and will be protected under the law. But the outcome will be the same. Society will fundamentally change in character — it will become pagan. If the Christian God is dead... everything is permitted. With the death of Christian values, the family and marriage will be redefined and what where once considered sins — adultery, prostitution, homosexuality, incest, pedophilia, bestiality, etc., because they weakened the family whose role is to protect children — will be seen as lifestyle choices. And it’s all under the rubric of leftist “liberation” that we have to be thankful for with this Brave New Pagan World. The left will have destroyed the Christian church, marriage and the family and there will be nothing left as a counter poise to the strict loyalty demanded from the state. Sieg Hiel!

We're living in the time of the Wrath of God in Romans 1:18-32. 32 Although they know Gods righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

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posted on 03/02/2011 6:03:26 AM PST
by MrB
(The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)

The relativism argument will be used to flush out all traditional values so that the vacuum can be filled with leftist values. It’s a technique used by the left, especially by leftist profs on students.

As well, the left is quite use to living with contradiction. Martin Heidegger said that life is essentially, at it’s deepest level, contradiction. This was taken for profundity rather than something to be avoided.

Martin Heidegger said that life is essentially, at its deepest level, contradiction.

I believe that Ayn Rand was wrong about some important things, but she understood some things very well. She had read her Aristotle. A=A. There are no contradictions. If you think you have found a contradiction, check your premises.

15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers’ associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions.

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to “eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms.”

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