PLEASE guys…don´t start here a deeper discussion about legal terms (maybe a new thread for it in another section?). This here was only an info about some CDs with issues listed on el culto and why they are not available anymore.

@Pete: It depends on national rules and contracts between states and also on royalty companies for author right. Here in Germany our highest court said, even 2 seconds is not allowed to sample. And if you want sample you have to have the permission and need to credit the source at least.

Sample libraries are LICENSED to people who bought this package and can be used it as much as wanted afterward…same goes for AFAIK any synth and use of the included presets. BUT, some years ago even Spectrasonics asked for credits if you use some of their libraries for an official release!

BUT, some years ago even Spectrasonics asked for credits if you use some of their libraries for an official release!

Greetings,Tomas

What a big joke haha... One more reason to stay away from Spectrasonics crap That is such greedyness.. Do not include the samples if you are not allowed to use them in music..that is my opinion.. However most people process and mix etc so it is impossible to detected the source samples... I think in the "Lost" tv series the big boom sound with the logo was spectrasonics I am sure they must have made a fortune of that pathetic sample haha.

Tomas, just playing Devil's advocate here, but you did choose to share this information on the forum. People are now not allowed to discuss it? Personally I wish you would've kept the details off the forum as it seems a private matter, and to be honest it's not what Mathias' fans want to hear. Or you could've just said "for legal reasons" instead of the sordid details. I really didnt think it belonged on the forum at all.

Tomas, just playing Devil's advocate here, but you did choose to share this information on the forum. People are now not allowed to discuss it? Personally I wish you would've kept the details off the forum as it seems a private matter, and to be honest it's not what Mathias' fans want to hear. Or you could've just said "for legal reasons" instead of the sordid details. I really didnt think it belonged on the forum at all.

It could maybe have been the best thing to do..I Feel sorry for Matthias.. but as I said I think Matthias do music mostly for him self for his own private moments, maybe he mix in some samples etc.. regarding the klaus wise perfume track maybe it was a mix up or something... I can imagine grassow has a very big library of drones.. which sound in many cases identical to klaus Wiese..

Tomas, just playing Devil's advocate here, but you did choose to share this information on the forum. People are now not allowed to discuss it? Personally I wish you would've kept the details off the forum as it seems a private matter, and to be honest it's not what Mathias' fans want to hear. Or you could've just said "for legal reasons" instead of the sordid details. I really didnt think it belonged on the forum at all.

Chris, is it really so difficult to understand what i´m asking for?

"PLEASE guys…don´t start here a deeper discussion about legal terms"

The post was ONLY about some CDs we´ve decided to cut on our site and also to explain the reasons why we´ve decided to do so - thats all, straight forward and pretty fair. It wasn´t meant as an invitation to start here general analyses or presumptions about this legal issue, others can´t judge at all - neither it´s a welcome post for people derailing this thread with heavy emotional weight (as you do it right now). It can´t be an excuse not to post issue which are clearly belong to this thread (el culto news) just because a fan don´t won´t like to hear it. I really can´t believe you mean this seriously as it sounds like someone denies to read news because he could be disappointed about what happen in the world.

Its a private legal matter. Why is it anyone's business especially if there's some apparent wrongdoing? Yeah I'm disappointed but I'm not crying about it. And I support Mathias 100% in his future musical endeavors!

Its a private legal matter. Why is it anyone's business especially if there's some apparent wrongdoing? Yeah I'm disappointed but I'm not crying about it. And I support Mathias 100% in his future musical endeavors!

Btw, I'm just stating my opinion, not looking to argue.

I agree, in this sound style... the tolerance is higher then for other music for sure I have not heard the A/B comparison myself. I agree it is a private matter and it is maybe not in a label owners interest to try to choke grassows carrier by naming exact songs etc it is not really something that will benifit grassow for sure.

. I respect that Grassow do music for himself, as long as it is not any billboards who really cares... A lot of music i sample based and are using sampling all the time, hip hop for instance, the genre would not exist if it wasn't for sampling or stealing, but as long as you do something artistic with it, or put it in a new context I think it is creative..Also I think it depends on what is being sampled, a melody for instance... but even with that you should not have alone rights on a melody just because some one was first, if some mind can come up with a melody I am sure another mind can come up with the same with time, Also a samples used but put in a different context or music style I think is a way of using it artistically.. I just do not think all this commercial bullshit should interfere with the artistic output, let the music be free,

but there should be limits also..the line can be thin in this grey zone.

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I hope that lessons are learned and that Mathias can be forgiven. It would be a great loss if not.