Let's Play Together! Game of the MonthEvery month, RTT gets together and brainstorms two choices to vote as the Let's Play Together! Game of the Month.Upon completion of the GotM, you will be rewarded with an Achievement Icon!Let's play some awesome games together!

Thread DescriptionWow, can't believe it's been more than a year since we started RTT. I feel like we have become a community of our own within GameTZ. We have our regulars and even some new comers. I hope 2018 brings us more like-minded retro gamers who will come here for a place of retro inspiration. When I started Retro Trade Thead (RTT), it was called "The Retro Trading Thread", kinda like how FB was "The Facebook", heh, I was just hoping for a group of retro gamers who share the passion and the thrill of collecting and playing Retro games. The result so far has exceeded my expectations and more. I am playing more retro games than ever and while my collecting is on and off, I know I have been enjoying more retro gaming in 2017 than my previous 5 years combined. I hope RTT members have similar experiences. 2018 will be an even better year, as we have established group events like RTT Secret Santa and our monthly Game of the Month, which is getting more popular as more people participate. I am hoping to bring RTT Podcast in 2018 where 2-3 RTT members will talk about monthly topics and other aspects of retro collecting.

Retro game buying and selling, collecting, playing, collectarding, upscaling, speedrunning....whatever your retro passion is, RTT will have a place for you and for everyone who participates in our discussions, whether occasionally or frequently, will continue to find value and fun in our thread.

Thank you for participating and making RTT the hottest topic every month in 2017!

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This thread was originally created to encourage traders here at GTZ to do more trading, especially retro related stuff. It has turned into a lot more and I am so grateful to everyone who contributed to this thread and have kept it going for nearly 6 months now. I hope this thread will continue to thrive and everyone who reads/participates in this thread will gain some value or knowledge out of it.

We will still have Trade lists up here, though it's been a while since anyone updated. I encourage everyone to look over their lists and post updates.There is also a section for gorgeous pictures of game rooms that active participants of this thread have shared. Feel free to share some pics of your collection or game room.I will be adding another section for information regarding video quality of retro gaming systems on modern displays and how to improve them. There is rather some extensive discussion regarding how to improve the display quality of retro gaming systems and if you are new to this like I am, you will find it very informative.

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GTZ has become a marketplace where the most commonly traded commodity is . I want to start an effort to get some trades going and to discuss some good games perhaps you never heard of or interested in but want to discover/know more of. For example, I just got intto shmups after years of ignoring the genre and I love to discover new(to me) and rediscover old ones(Sonic Wings comes to mind).

No pressure here. Feel free to discuss anything retro. Perhaps throw out some WTTF targets and what you have to offer. I am sick of browsing people's year old Available lists.

Some examples:

- WTTF/WTB/LF- What you think is awesome game/series/whatever- Potential games you have up for trade- Pics of what you have/what you would love to get/what you think is the bestest awesomest game ever- Show off your latest finds/adds to your collection

i havent played Hatsune Miku as im not that into rhythm games, blue reflection is pretty meh compared to the rpgs i know you need to play, at any price, lol, and i have SG/ZH but havent had a chance to check it out, though it seems like its possibly the most viable of the trio.

i can say blue reflection is the weakest jrpg ive played on ps4, we are in such a resurgence of japanese games there are just much better games to play, even as a persona wannabe its light years behind persona and tokyo xanadu

It's got over $60 of DLC just to put your high school girl characters in various states of swimsuits. Back in my day, you made a good game and the nude patches came naturally. You didn't make the game as a vessel to deliver the nude patches for profit.

it really is just so average, it goes the magical girl thing but it doesnt capture it nearly as well as a CCS or Sailor moon style anime does, and the high school setting thing isnt as well done as persona or tokyo xanadu. you dont really have a town to go around in like in persona or tokyo xanadu, though it wants to borrow so much from them. there are only 4 dungeon enviro's, and the enemies are pallette swaps all the way to the end. if you had played persona and tokyo xanadu, and ff15, and tales of, and world of ff, i mean this list goes on..then you maybe play this. persona took turn based combat to the next level, this falls short there too. i didnt even keep it for the rpg collection, and i usually do, even when i doubt i'll ever play them again, because im weird, but i didnt keep this one, i just cared so little about it. if persona and tokyo xanadu hadnt spoiled me so id have probably found some of what it took from them as charming, but when it doesnt do it as well...

i know we have talked about this game before, and as before it pains me to speak of my beloved Gust this way, but they phoned this one in so hard. maybe they needed to get it out there fast to build off the persona hype, high school setting and all that, tokyo xanadu used it, cold steel uses something similar, its hot right now. there seems to be a lot of anime doing it too but i guess its always been pretty popular there

DefaultGen wrote:

> Gypsy wrote:

>> tonymack21 wrote:

> |>> i can say blue reflection is the weakest jrpg ive played on ps4,

> |>>

>>

>>

>> Ouch.

>

> It's got over $60 of DLC just to put your high school girl characters in various

> states of swimsuits. Back in my day, you made a good game and the nude patches came

> naturally. You didn't make the game as a vessel to deliver the nude patches for profit.

> Why would you want to hunt down that ACHTUNG plastic baggie later down the line when

> it's worth hundreds?

Key to remember: I am not a packaging collector. Part of me is seriously thinking about taking all those surplus boxes I have and tossing them into the recycle bin. That would free up quite a bit of space...

The mouse also sounds nice- I could put it with my N64 one. But again, that box...

eBay 20% off code PRESDAY. Maybe app only? I got the notification on my phone. 25 min purchase 50 max discount. Maybe only from certain eBay stores.. it has a list of sellers but it's let me use these codes before on just whatever. Maybe category matter s?

Are you guys actually enjoying these Visual Novel(surprised this genre hasn't been added to the categories on GTZ) games? I only played a few and seems like most are made with the same dough and cookie cutter.

> Are you guys actually enjoying these Visual Novel(surprised this genre hasn't been

> added to the categories on GTZ) games? I only played a few and seems like most are

> made with the same dough and cookie cutter.

>

>

Not me. If I'm going to read a book it might as well be a good one. I mean...hmm...I have choices like Steven Erikson, Joe Abercrombie and Scott Lynch. I'm not going to pick nonsense instead. Rothfuss needs to stop working on crapty video games (Numenera) and finish The Kingkiller Chronicle.

> Are you guys actually enjoying these Visual Novel(surprised this genre hasn't been

> added to the categories on GTZ) games? I only played a few and seems like most are

> made with the same dough and cookie cutter.

>

>

We actually asked for that to be added, I need to look that topic back up in site feedback I thought that was decided to be a thing...as interactive movie wasn't really the same thing. I've played a couple..some are good some are eh. Steins gate was good.. @Heavyd814life really really likes them and probably knows more that are. Psycho pass was ok if you are a series fan..but you have to play several times to see all branches so I said no thanks after once through..it wasn't that compelling compared to the series which I liked alright. Well the first season anyway.

Crap. Now I'm itching to write up a storm about how great the Malazan series is. Time to go to an appropriate forum to do that. But yeah if anyone here likes fantasy literature, it's near the top of my list.

I've played 2 kinds of VNs.There's the dating sims like Hatoful Boyfriend. They have tons of paths, and the way people get enjoyment out of it is finding every last path and ending in the game. This essentially means all of your choices are meaningless and you're not really going on your own adventure so much as seeing every possible outcome for every possible adventure. Then there's the more narrative ones that railroad you through a story. They're basically just a crapty, cheap substitute for manga by people who don't want to draw things.

>> Crap. Now I'm itching to write up a storm about how great the Malazan series is.

>> Time to go to an appropriate forum to do that. But yeah if anyone here likes fantasy

>> literature, it's near the top of my list.

>

> I have the first audiobook but my friend said to not bother and just get the book

> because I'll never be able to follow it.

>

>

People over blow that. Sure it's very large in scope and it bounces around between maaaany perspectives but you seem smart, so you'll be fine. His new series (a prequel set very far back) isn't nearly as tricky in that regard if you wanted to try that first to get an idea of his writing style.

Really though if you like books all the authors I mentioned are excellent and have written some of the best recent fantasy books.

Edit: Just realized you said audio book. Yeah, don't do that. Grab the paperback or e-book or w/e.

>> Are you guys actually enjoying these Visual Novel(surprised this genre hasn't

> been

>> added to the categories on GTZ) games? I only played a few and seems like most

> are

>> made with the same dough and cookie cutter.

>>

>>

>

> We actually asked for that to be added, I need to look that topic back up in site

> feedback I thought that was decided to be a thing...as interactive movie wasn't really

> the same thing. I've played a couple..some are good some are eh. Steins gate was

> good.. @Heavyd814life really really likes them and probably knows more that are.

> Psycho pass was ok if you are a series fan..but you have to play several times

> to see all branches so I said no thanks after once through..it wasn't that compelling

> compared to the series which I liked alright. Well the first season anyway.

>

>

>

VNs can be weird. I love them, but I don't really like the straight up dating sim stuff so I pass on those. There are still so many I'd like to check out, but Danganronpa, Steins;Gate, and Zero Escape are the three i've enjoyed the most. Steins;Gate is the one I try to recommend to everyone. It's basically a sci-if novel that lets you make a few key choices here and there. The story is phenomenal and it has one of my all time favorite casts. Just be ready to do A LOT of reading.

> |>> Are you guys actually enjoying these Visual Novel(surprised this genre hasn't

>> been

> |>> added to the categories on GTZ) games? I only played a few and seems like most

>> are

> |>> made with the same dough and cookie cutter.

> |>>

> |>>

>>

>> We actually asked for that to be added, I need to look that topic back up in site

>> feedback I thought that was decided to be a thing...as interactive movie wasn't

> really

>> the same thing. I've played a couple..some are good some are eh. Steins gate

> was

>> good.. @Heavyd814life really really likes them and probably knows more that are.

>> Psycho pass was ok if you are a series fan..but you have to play several times

>> to see all branches so I said no thanks after once through..it wasn't that compelling

>> compared to the series which I liked alright. Well the first season anyway.

>>

>>

>>

>

> VNs can be weird. I love them, but I don't really like the straight up dating sim

> stuff so I pass on those. There are still so many I'd like to check out, but Danganronpa,

> Steins;Gate, and Zero Escape are the three i've enjoyed the most. Steins;Gate is

> the one I try to recommend to everyone. It's basically a sci-if novel that lets you

> make a few key choices here and there. The story is phenomenal and it has one of

> my all time favorite casts. Just be ready to do A LOT of reading.

>

>

I'm not a big fan of the genre but even I enjoyed Danganronpa to an extent. Couldn't get into it at first but then tried again. One of the few I wanted to actually finish. For Steins;Gate I was lazy and watched the anime, heh. Didn't do a ton for me, but the VN is likely a bit better.

I'm not totally sure if that was worth the price of admission or not ..... that's about 100 more than I might spend on a great copy of Jurassic Park Operation Genesis for og Xbox .... if I ever could have that much money that I didn't already owe AND could find one that cheap.

This is what I'm trying my darndest to avoid. But, I don't know how much longer I can hold out for that eBay flash sale. It should show up any day now, right? Honestly, I was thinking that, since today's the official observation of President's Day, now would be as good a time as any for this to happen.

@PlayYing I'm chewing on it. I kinda hate my living room tv but I've also spent a fair bit lately.

@Noid Usually they are near the end of the month. I had a couple situations where I just couldn't wait. For one a video card died, and I was able to replace it with a much better card at a fair price considering the current market. The other was just an insane deal too good to pass up. I'll post details on that when it hopefully arrives...

>> I'm not totally sure if that was worth the price of admission or not ..... that's

>> about 100 more than I might spend on a great copy of Jurassic Park Operation Genesis

>> for og Xbox .... if I ever could have that much money that I didn't already owe

> AND

>> could find one that cheap.

>

> It's a $20 game for PS3, Dashey bought the Vita version because he is going for a

> full set.

Yeah I know why he bought it. He's mentioned the full set before. I do love those little dark blue cases myself, but still it's almost $250 is he even going to open it or just play it on PS3 and keep that value high?

So I did some reading and it seems like Suikoden II is vastly improved from the first in pretty much every way. First one seems really rough in some areas like making it difficult to recruit characters because you need x characters in your party and can also have mandatory characters that aren't part of the group needed to recruit that character. I think I'm just going to have to play it with a guide to save headaches.

> @tonymack21 Praise to Gamefaqs. The Prima unofficial guide is like $100. :/

wow I didn't know it had gotten that high, I know I had it at one point, I don't have it checked on my collection but I don't have it checked on wanted either... need to look into that when I get home tonight

I'm down, but it's a pretty lengthy game that I think a lot of us have probably played before. Neutopia hasn't had a ton of clears and that's like half the length. Come up with a big list of potentials and lets have a vote. MGS on GBC? Ohh, or Metal Gear, back on the NES train!

> I'm down, but it's a pretty lengthy game that I think a lot of us have probably played

> before. Neutopia hasn't had a ton of clears and that's like half the length. Come

> up with a big list of potentials and lets have a vote. MGS on GBC? Ohh, or Metal

> Gear, back on the NES train!

>

>

The original Metal Gear is an MSX2 game and the NES version is trash. The NES version is so impure I wouldn't even call it Metal Gear and if it is voted as the game anyone that plays the NES version doesn't get to vote the next month.

super cool. i have an msx2 game and didn't even know it, ive got the ps3 hd collection but haven't gotten around to replaying them, its hard to replay something when the backlog is so stacked with things i haven't played. i used to replay FF7 after the new year almost every year but i haven't in recent years. i had more time back then too lol

> It's absurd how many of these crapty companies have popped up. They are like weeds.

These tiny publishers probably all existed before. They were just the guys putting out BS games that were never expected to sell very many copies. Now the fact that no one wants to buy these games at these prices is the selling point for how ùb͘er͡ ̀rare͜ they are.

Johnny: "(the Switch, rather than the Sega Saturn) I always felt it was gonna more like the N64...of Nintendo consoles..."Tyler: "which is full of grabage?"Johnny: "What's that?"Tyler: "just full of garbage and no games?"

Hyper Duel is fudging awesome. I recommend it. Oh and burn it because lol. Blast Wind wasn't as good. Easy and doesn't offer as much variety. Hyper Duel is easy too and you can cheese some bosses but the last boss is insane.

Well, I just got some real bad news that will set me back more than my tax return: I need a lot of expensive dental work. I'm taking any and all serious offers on anything in my avail list to put toward a $3300 bill, posting here before I go to the general site.

Alright, there is less than a week left in February, let's go with a vote. No clear cut two parties this time so, another free for all. But I will advocate for the following choices, all should be relatively easy to acquire a physical copy or digital. Feel free to vote for your own choice in this round. Everyone gets 1 vote, unless you have a image, then you get 2 votes.

Lol, no changing! Itll be a mess if everyone else starts to, and if i say sure, everyone will be like you let Gypsy do it. Taking the (at)bill(dont really want to unneccessarily ping bill) diplomatic approach here.

> We need like a nomination round then a voting round. If you vote late, no one else

> is going to vote for your game and it's doomed.

>

Yea, totally agree. Though is that too much voting? For the past couple of months, we'd have a discussion and usually two very strong candidates would show up. This month, there just wasn't much to go on.I think we've only had agreed on a 32 bit game instead of the always 8 and 16 bit.

im thinking a ps1 game this month would be cool and perhaps a saturn game next month? do a couple 32's before going back to the 8's and 16's?

ive been thinking about playing Pandemonium 2 at some point, i remember that being hyped big time back in the day and i never got to play it, but i dont think that would be very popular for game of the month and im not sure its really accessible unless emu'ing.

so i guess i'll go for MGS, ive beaten that a million times but its been many years... i wonder how psycho mantis would be without being able to switch to controller port 2 since we have wireless controls now? would it even be possible? i guess i'll go for mgs if i can confirm it will be possible with my setup...anyone know?

hmm, i like the OneX but if you were choosing only one between ps4 and xbone then ps4 slams it, the extra game makes the battlefront bundle the winner but the white is prettier, my son did realy enjoy the campaign in battlefront i havent tried it yet but may this weekend. im not sold on psvr, its supposed still not real comfortable with glasses or for long play sessions, and almost every "game" is really a tech demo, this is a first step towards what vr could be from most people i know whove played it, and 350 seems like so much. xbox game pass is sure a good deal though if there are games you would play, might check out the offerings there and see if you like them, they change some of them out each month kind of like netflix, and sea of thieves day one is gonna be pretty interesting

They're about neck and neck. And no, AMD cards are rising faster because they're generally a bit better at spitting out the numbers Crypto miners want. Nvidia cards are worse at that but generally better at gaming, but MSRP-wise the AMD cards are supposed to be cheaper. It just ain't so!

If the prices weren't so damn stupid I'd be interested in the 3GB card. But I'm not gonna be #CheapTZ and act like you should be selling it for some price more in line with it's gaming capabilities. eBay that crap.

Yeah. Honestly even the 1050 Ti was running fast enough on this rig emulating Breath of the Wild that I had to limit the frames, and WoW performance is identical, so the 1060 3GB's probably a plenty capable card for 1080p, probably even 1440p long as you've got the CPU to back it up. Basically the 6GB's an insurance policy in case games get super bad in a few years, but right now nothing's coming close to using all that memory unless you're being an butt-hole.

@Lunar I'll definitely be dumping the 3GB, not 100% on price at the moment. The 290's around $250-270, the 1060's around 270-290.

I'd probably be looking to get at least $250 out of it since I ate some value on the trade-down. You should look into picking up a 1050Ti for around $220 new, with some patience you should find something at a Frys or Best Buy, maybe on eBay or Newegg. Should be plenty for what you're looking to do.

I'm gonna be doing some burn-in tests on both cards when they come in to make sure that they behave when the Furmark gets rolling. Probably some gaming performance tests to see if it's even really honestly worth keeping the 6GB card in lieu of the 3GB card. I'll be writing things down, for science.

Yea those things sound like what a scientist would test for. I just want one for games. Prob not worth the hassle of selling R9 and installing the new card. I should prob open my rig up at least to clean the dust. I can see the dust for like 2 years and i just pretend its not there.

Terminal Velocity was the biggest disappointment I've ever gone back to. I can go back to American Gladiators, Sim Theme Park, and Blaster Master 2 and love them despite their faults, but my childhood memory of Terminal Velocity was somewhere around "Best 3D flight game ever made" and it dipped to "Super repetitive fog simulator" when I played it again a few years back.

Also I love that aggressive Microsoft red font. That could easily be a video card, mouse, or joystick box.

Nah. Descent was true 3D, Terminal Velocity/Fury3 faked it with a 2d plane with 3D structures, and you flying a sprite-based ship traveling along that plane. It was the Doom of its kind. First and good, but not really 3D.

lolI got those PS1 games from Square Enix today, I think these are repros. The discs are silver instead of black like other PS1 games. The cases are cheap too, after opening Chrono Cross the front of the case came apart.

So, @Lunar, is this, like, the RTT Primaries and we're whittling the candidates down to just two or is this a wild 'n' crazy free-for-all? Unless it gets slimmed down to just two choices, my current vote for RTT Let's Play Together Game of the Month is Galactic Attack(Saturn).

> I got those PS1 games from Square Enix today, I think these are repros. The discs

> are silver instead of black like other PS1 games. The cases are cheap too, after

> opening Chrono Cross the front of the case came apart.

>

They're probably just not using black backed discs anymore. They're officially licensed Squaresoft releases (since they're selling them on Square Enix's website), they just cycle out who they have produce them, so whoever can do it cheapest probably wins. So TECHNICALLY anything manufactured after what, 2002 is definitely what you would consider a "reproduction" but since it's licensed, it hardly counts as that, no matter how weird they are.

@dunno001 and @sailorneorune I haven't forgotten your games. I was at work from 10am to 3am yesterday, then back in today at 10. I was at least watching Sharif die in Neutopia until the wee hours of the East coast morning. Life is hard.

Speaking of retro computing, I just finished reinstalling XP on my old rig. I plan to use it as a general retro system later on. It has 3 GB RAM and a Radeon HD 6850, which should be fine for stuff from around 2006 and earlier.

I had a dog of a time getting the drivers for the system, though. Stupid AMD bundled the drivers but they didn't bundle the program to actually use the drivers...

I also imaged the hard drive in case the drive dies on me or I screw it up with older game DRM stuff. A fully patched XP install with nothing but Chrome is 10 GB, or 5 GB compressed.

> I was thinking about building something like that, but even RAM prices are getting

> up there, and to be efficient it would need high speed RAM 3200 and 16 gigs of it.

RAM overclocks are notoriously unstable and yield questionable results. You may get ten-fifteen percent more FPS. You may not. At frames this low (40-60s) you probably wouldn't notice it. And eight gigs isn't necessarily future-proof, but it's certainly plenty for everyday gaming. You'd have to be doing a lot of obnoxious crap at once for 8GB to be ineffective.

I considered RAM overclocks but even using XMPs PCs are much more prone to random game crashes or blue screens when running above original specifications. When stuff goes bad using a known good CPU/GPU OC it's the first thing you roll back because it's more often than not the culprit.

I'd say 8 for now is plenty, and gives you sigh of relief room if/when prices go back down and you wanna get it up to 16 (which is definitely the absolute maximum I'd ever recommend anyone invest in their build)

If so, could you check to see what price Demon's Souls is by logging into that account?

I tried to check the store, but the prices seem wrong, some things showed up as 200 yen, but when I click them it jumps to 3,000. So before I go through the trouble of making a JP PSN and buying JP currency I wanted to see what the real price is. Its only $9.99 US, which I could do, but not paying $30 for it.

Long shot but if anyone has the Axiom Verge Gametrust steelbook, sealed, and wants to trade for it, lemme know. I'm getting seven of the eight books I'm missing thanks to a friend who I won't mention yet, but I'm only missing that one.

I refuse to pay twenty bucks or more for something that cost them two dollars at most. :P

I got Rogue Legacy steelbook on PC for $7. Probably the only time in the past five years I've been happy handing someone at Gamestop my money. Mostly because it was understood that even though the case was open the game was still "new". It was also their "last copy left". Only this time, it really was.

Speaking of happily handing GameStop my money, today was their nebulous Pro Day Sale and, on top of that, they brought back their promotion where four of their used video games priced at $4.99, when purchased together, come to a grand total of $10.00 before applicable sales tax. I'm very excited to add these four titles to my collection:

> I got Rogue Legacy steelbook on PC for $7. Probably the only time in the past five

> years I've been happy handing someone at Gamestop my money. Mostly because it was

> understood that even though the case was open the game was still "new". It was also

> their "last copy left". Only this time, it really was.

I only wanted the two games I was interested in - Guacamelee and Stories the Path of Destinies... I know, I'm predictable - but these popped up for cheap so I figured, why not. I still have to pay for 'em first but that won't take me so long.

The problem with Axiom Verge is that all copies came with a batch of bad Steam CD keys, so Gamestop pulled them from stores. So the only sealed copies available are being hoarded by scalpers. :(