Two billboards in Greeley (this one on U.S. 85 near 18th Street) have upset some residents, who say the image linking American Indians with a political statement is offensive. (Jim Rydbom, Greeley Tribune)

The billboards in Greeley have deservingly drawn criticism for being offensive and insensitive. These signs demonstrate the ignorance and privilege of many Americans as they try to cry oppression and suggest the current gun legislation debate mirrors the treatment of indigenous peoples in the United States.

The treatment of indigenous nations and peoples bears no similarity to the current gun debate. This legislation is not aimed at stripping gun owners of your land base, natural resources, culture, language, identify and children. It is not intended to reinforce dependency and “plenary power” over you and your livelihood. Moreover, this policy debate and intent are not aimed at taking your land or intended to extinguish your very identity.

Requiring gun owners to permit their guns, undergo a background check or limit ammunition bears no resemblance to this history endured by (and continuously perpetuated against) indigenous nations of the United States.

Raymond Foxworth, Boulder

This letter was published in the May 2 edition.

The pro-gun-rights billboards erected recently in Greeley using American Indians to make a point were offensive to many, myself included.

There is also a funny side to the issue. The group behind the billboards obviously believes in the fantasy that owning guns would somehow prevent the government, should it ever wish to do so, from taking those firearms and rights guaranteed by the Constitution. Right. When the Army, the Marines, or even the local police SWAT squad comes knocking, they will take those guns. Even if they have to pry them out of the cold, dead hands of their former owners.

In other words, to anyone who shares this juvenile delusion: grow up!

Robert Kimber, Highlands Ranch

This letter was published in the May 2 edition.

The anonymous pro-gun group that put up billboards comparing themselves to betrayed American Indians should be asked when the last time the federal government went on a hunting expedition to kill law-abiding Americans. By contrast, how hard is it to find examples of lone gun owners who become deranged, and even more paranoid than the group that sponsored this billboard, going off on just such a Newtown/Aurora/Tucson hunting expedition, or to find an aggrieved spouse heading out to massacre his ex and her new lover or best friend?

Ron Charach, Toronto

This letter was published in the May 2 edition.

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The billboard company is respecting the billboard renters’ desire to be anonymous. So, we have no idea who the billboard renters are. They might even be gun-owning Native Americans.
I like gun-control bills as much as the next socialist leftie, but nonetheless, I thought the billboard gave a concise point of view in a clear fashion. It was even humorous in my ignorant, privileged, offensive, insensitive, juvenile, delusional opinion.

Even though I fully agree with Mr. Kimber’s main paragraph.

thor

I have a different take on his second paragraph. Do you really think someone in the armed forces or a member of a SWAT team would obey the orders to take our weapons? Maybe some would, you know, brown nosers who are hoping for some reward, etc… But most of those who serve believe in 2nd amendment rights and would be very conflicted with the idea of being asked to take guns from citizens. That paragraph, to me, is just as ridiculous as the billboard.

Fowler

I suppose you should ask David Koresh and the Camp Davidians that question. I think the moral of the bill board is that people trust the government at their own risk. Not too many years ago I recall plenty of people on the left wailing about a certain president who was shredding the constitution, a war criminal, conspirator in the 9/11 attacks, etc. Of course we now have extrajudicial drone strikes on American citizens who the government believes are a “threat”. If history is any guide, blindly trusting the government to do the right thing is usually a bad bet.

toohip

Fowler: Do you understand the difference between fact and fantasy? Reality and belief? Be careful what you “cling” to!

Fowler

I understand the difference very well – my experience is that power corrupts, that people with power do not have my best interests at heart, and that government must be limited or else it expands to the point where individual liberty is lost. People who believe that our system is somehow immune from corruption, collapse, and coercion are naive. Government functionaries cannot be trusted to do the right thing, we have to constantly keep them in check. That is the whole premise upon which this country was founded – do not let government rule you. Much of the country today is willfully ignorant of that fact. Or are you one of those who believes that the corporate elites who are paying for the government through lobbyists and buy-offs are truly concerned about your welfare? The Native Americans were one of the first groups to learn the hard lesson – along with the slaves, the interned Japanese Americans, the victims of Progressive American Eugenics, victims of US Government medical experiments, uncharged inmates at Gitmo, etc. What makes you think you won’t find yourself on some list?

toohip

Dare to dream, thor! Believe that a few security authorities, like the few sheriffs who claim they will not enforce the state law, will do likewise. Without fantasies what else could you cling to? Oh. yeah. Forget about religion and guns.

peterpi

You’re dreaming, pal.

Dano2

Do pigs fly on that planet you live on? Here on this planet, only a naive child thinks the military would disobey orders and side with the brave white patriot clinging to that gun.

The gun subculture in this country sure is a hoot.

Best,

D

thor

What about the brave minority patriot. I’m always amazed by the bigotry expressed on this blog.

Dano2

You know they are utterly and completely bereft of ideas if they have to find what I wrote to be bigotry.

But thanks for the chuckle – they are invaluable in the morning, I find.

Best,

D

thor

So you are saying that minorities can be brave patriots? Then why didn’t you include them but only singled out whites as being brave patriots.

Dano2

“clinging to that gun”.

Thanks for keeping me LOLzing.

Best,

D

thor

So, you are “clinging” to your bigoted comments. Not surprising, but sad.

holyreality

Of course police officers in their right minds would never use force on citizens.
Unfortunately in our nascent police state, cops are indoctrinated into a “Fort Apache The Bronx” mindset where the public is the “enemy”. Orders from HQ are obeyed just as their demands to the enemy-citizens be immediately obeyed.
When the militarized units are called in, any remnant of a “right mind” has been eliminated from the equation, and we can all envision how SWAT raids go.
The Second was never meant to arm the people to fight the government CREATED by the Constitution. Any ideas otherwise are doomed to failure as Waco, Ruby Ridge et al demonstrated.
OTOH private ownership can fight nongovernmental oppression such as in Ludlow, or lawless anarchy after a massive disaster.
Brass tacks, the “founding fathers” who were so allegedly wise and so on NEVER would approve of easy access to AR15 arms with hi-cap mags to loser unstable kids to proceed with their rampages.

TomFromTheNews

“Do you really think someone in the armed forces or a member of a SWAT team would obey the orders to take our weapons?”

Since we know this will never happen, we could play along with the absurd supposition and answer, “Yes, if he/she was doing his/her job correctly.”

toohip

The gun-righties won’t respond to the “reality” that “Red Dawn” could never happen, and even a well trained AR-15 with 100 round capacity mag, and all the other weaponry is no match for our gov’t’s military or their police force. But one has to realize these types don’t live in reality, they live in the fantasies of the bubble they live in and their toys.

Dano2

Come now – that fantasy is all they have. Don’t take that away from them too.

Best,

D

Tbone

Good letters. Stupid, childish billboard. No one is being asked to turn in their guns. The gun nut’s arguments just make them look foolish most of the time, and this is no exception.

guest

Of course no one is being asked to turn in their guns. Just like no one needed to pass a Constitutional Amendment to declare marriage a covenant between one man and one woman. DOMA would take care of that until the current president said he would no longer do his duty and defend the law in the courts. Of course conservatives did the stupid thing and trusted the left.

Guest

Not yet anyway, but the agenda is there so you can stop pretending that isnt what you really want. We all know it is. Or are you saying that if the government did impose an outright ban on civilian ownership of firearms, you’d be against it? Pardon me if I doubt you. This “no one is being asked to turn in their guns” is just double talk from anti-gun loons said to make the beginning foundations of an outright ban easier to accomplish.

“If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them . . . Mr. and Mrs. America, turn ’em all in, I would have done it. I could not do that. The votes weren’t here.” Dianne Feinstein

Tbone

As I said, the guntards arguments make them look foolish. The birthers look good in comparison. Everything is a conspiracy.

toohip

Again. . .without conspiracy (read: belief), they would have nothing to cling to but their religion and their gun arguments. . . oh, that’s right. . that’s belief too!

toohip

See, Guest here, is your classic fear-monger, while a misogynist at the same time (Dianne Feinstein is hardly the leading gun control activist, but if you can pull in a few mysogynists, you do it!). Keep up the belief agenda, Guest, because the air inside that “bubble” you live in is getting short as reality taps on the glass.

DR

Really Toohip? Diannne Feinstein is NOT one of the leading gun control advocates and the poster “Guest” is a misogynist for quoting her?

I wasn’t going to respond to anymore “gun” letters, but your post is just….wow! And I thought Robtf777 was insane.

What the hell is wrong with you?

Fowler

“We’ll take one step at a time, and the first is necessarily – given the
political realities – very modest. We’ll have to start working again to
strengthen the law, and then again to strengthen the next law and again
and again. Our ultimate goal, total control of handguns, is going to
take time. The first problem is to slow down production and sales. Next
is to get registration. The final problem is to make possession of all
handguns and ammunition (with a few exceptions) totally illegal” Pete Shields, Chairman of Handgun Control (oops – Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence) But really, you are being a paranoid guntard if you think gun control advocates truly want to take away your guns – they will just force you turn them in, not actually take them away, unless of course you resist.

TomFromTheNews

“…unless of course you resist.” Careful, Fowler, I can hear them all preparing their ominous “from my cold dead fingers” reply.

Yee-haw.

TomFromTheNews

I don’t know if Feinstein is a “leading” gun control advocate, but I wouldn’t blame her if she was. After all, she had to take over mayoral duties the day Mayor George Moscone and Harvey Milk were assassinated in City Hall in San Francisco. She has seen the violence and devastation of insufficient regulation and building security first-hand.

toohip

No she is not, that’s just in your mind, BECAUSE she’s a woman. Same with Diana DeGette here when she made some comment that made the gun-right howl. When ever it’s a woman, it’s easier to attack them from the right, because there already is a misogynist agenda. You can go down that river in Egypt, but the track record is already there. What the hell is wrong with you?!

toohip

DR, I can name dozens of male pro-gun-control types that are much more active than Feinstein or DeGette, but any time someone the left speaks out and they are a woman, they can always expect extra targeting by the misogynistic right. Whether it’s Hillary or Pelosi, the right love to target women who they feel have no business leaving the kitchen. The only thing more offensive than a woman with a brain, is a black guy in the white house!

DR

Toohip, he used an actual quote to support the idea that for many who are anti-gun (like Feinstein), complete disarmament is the ultimate agenda, the ultimate goal, making her words completely relevant to the context. The fact that the quote came from Dianne Feinstein and the fact she is a woman is wholly irrelevant. If the quote had been made by a man, it would have been used just the same and attributed to him.

For you to say that Dianne Feinstein isn’t really a big player in the anti-gun movement is simply astonishing. And to assert that anti-gun women are attacked by the “right” more often than anti-gun men is absurd. Feinstein and DeGette are criticized because they say stupid things, not because they are women. Is that not why you attack women like Sarah Palin? Because she says stupid things? Or is it because she is a woman?

This pulling the race/sexism card is nothing more than a desperate attempt on your part to discredit an argument for which you have no real rebuttal. Grow up.

Guest

Why do you even bother to argue with him? Leveling charges of sexism and racism against arguments and people he doesn’t like is the only song and dance toohip knows. He can’t do anything else because he has nothing else. Reading toohips posts, I used to think he was just a troll who came on to this board just to stir up trouble for the fun of it by posting the most inane, hateful and sarcastic B.S. he could he pull out of his rear end. I’m beginning to realize now and after re-reading this thread multiple times, toohip is a very deranged and mentally ill individual who should be under the care of a licensed physician.

toohip

DR, Guest used the quote associated with Diane Feinstein, BECAUSE she is a member of one of the hated groups on the right. . . liberal women who speak their minds. We’re not debating “what” Feintstein or DeGette said. . we’ve been over that already. We discussing why your species always has to get more riled up when a liberal woman speak out against your agenda. . like they violated the “stay in the kitchen with the kids” rule. Feinstein and DeGette are criticized on the right. . because they are women. MORE men have spoke out, and much more effectively (and you will agree “accurately?”) on gun control, but you can’t see the forest for trees, because the trees are women who speak out. The sex/race card ALWAYS applies here, because your ilk uses it so freely and blindly. Make an effort to at least show us you’re not bigoted in your stupidity. We’d consider your argument more genuine if you didn’t have to vilify women, or the black guy in the white house.

DR

“We’re not debating “what” Feintstein or DeGette said. . we’ve been over that already.”

You haven’t yet addressed a single point in Guest’s argument. You called it “fear mongering” and accused Guest of being sexist and targeting Feinstein because she is a woman. I know in your warped mind, you are unable to comprehend this, but I’m going to explain it one more time in the hopes that you might understand this someday…All you have done is commit a logical fallacy. Rather than address anything Guest wrote, you created a straw man argument using sexism. Once again…this “the right wing is sexist!!!” argument in response to Guest’s post is a logical fallacy called a straw man argument. Whether Guest is a misogynistic thug or not, has absolutely no relevance to whether or not there is ultimately an agenda to ban guns nor does it change or invalidate what Feinstein said. IT. DOES. NOT. MATTER.

(BTW, smile Toohip! I took screenshots of this entire exchange and sent them to my professor. Hes going to use your posts in class as an example of how NOT to make an argument.)

toohip

is Guest the daddy of guest, and is Guest1 a red-head family outcast of the “Guest” family? Inquiring minds. . .

toohip

but Tbone, with out FEAR. . how can you convince a rational voter to BELIEVE in your fantastical agenda? THIS is what the Republican party and those on the right use so effectively to advance their fantasy agenda. To do this they have demonize black people (read “gangs”), male rapists (read: women), illegal immigrants (read: anyone,now), and don’t forget “jack booted negro army of President Django, coming to take your .22’s.” To combat truth one has to seek out and find truth, and not be lazy to believe the lies. Truth shall set you free from your fears, and we know truth as a liberal bias.

primafacie

This is considered offensive, but “gun nuts” and “fetishists” and “bitterly clinging to their guns and religion” is merely expressing an opinion.

Got it.

Dano2

Rational, sane people do not make inane billboards like this one. If you need to feel there is an equivalence between rational sane people and the people who needed to make this billboard, well, whatever gets you through the day I guess.

Best,

D

guest

Rational, sane people do not use inane words like Merikans and guvmit to try to make fun of others and build themselves up by tearing other people down, but they do it. They even do it on these boards. amirite??? LOLz.

Guest

Dano2 is the Robtf777 of the left. In other words, ignore, like everyone does already.

guest

I thought Tbone was. Live and learn.

Steve R

Amen to that, you can definitely see how Dbag and RobWTF are mirror images with opposing view points. Both have way to much time on their hands and feel the need to respond to every little thing people say.

toohip

ooh, Steve, name calling? Leave that to guest and Guest (?). Robtf is your guy, don’t throw him out with the bath water, when he frequently aligns with your side. Just because he throws in an occasional anti-abortion or religious statement doesn’t allow you to throw him out of the party so fast!

toohip

dare to dream Guest or are you lower case “guest?” How about changing to name less likely used by someone who IS a “guest.” This would be like me using the moniker “anonymous.”
Sorry, no cigar, Guest – Robtf777 is a wild and crazy personality all his own, and remember. . . he’s OUR wild and crazy personality to ignore!

Dano2

Awh!

They’re sooo cuuuute when they make things up! Too bad they grow up to be sad old men who make things up.

Best,

D

Steve R

Wow sad old man…there is some pot kettle for you. Dbag…is that all you have? Well on second thought you might not be old but you are definitely sad and I will assume you are a man!

TommyJeff

I wouldn’t go that far. I would assume he is male, but far from being a man.

toohip

looks like guest’s, Steve’s and Tommy’s parents met a family reunion? Oh, that’s not right (excuse pun), I take it back.

Tbone

Wow, if the only thing you can do is sputter about someone being a dbag, you ain’t got much in the tank.

As I said, the guntards do a great job making themselves look foolish. Perfect example.

thor

And using guntard is how you look foolish. Welcome to the club.

toohip

ooooh, nice retort, thor!

bleeth

As thor said, welcome to the club.

It amuses me those whining and moaning about name-calling are generally guilty of doing that very same thing, me included.

Frankly, if you can’t take the heat…..well…..you know the rest.

peterpi

Like those who use libtard?

peterpi

Like those who use libtard?

toohip

ouch! Steve! You really know how to hurt a person’s feelings! Calling them “old” is one thing, but the ultimate misogynistic insult to call them a (gulp!). . . woman? Wow. You are a class debater!

The Scorekeeper

I guess the shoe fits? You’d have done best to ignore that comment.

Tbone

See dano, if only you had a gun to compensate for your obvious insecurities, then you would be a real man!

Guest

Criticize people for using ad hominems… by using ad hominems. Way to go Tbone!

and you could give your five year old a pink one as a coming of age gift! These usual suspects don’t need a gun to compensate for their insecurities – they got their beliefs!

toohip

Dano, you’re not rising, er lowering yourself to their level. You need to refer to guest as “guest-wipe” or “gest” and Steve as “StevealwaysontheRight” or “Steve Republican.” to get them to “understand” you. If you’re not a grade A name-caller – you ain’t sh-t! (they’re so easy to poke with a stick of making fun of them and oh, yes, those pesky . .”facts!”)

guest

Don’t quit your day job.

toohip

nournotrite! and the same people don’t call other’s names when they don’t have a “rational, sane,” counter argument. Want me to quote some of your previous comments to me and others? :o)

guest

Sure.

toohip

“Imagine” (can’t help thinking of the Lennon song). . if someone put up a pro-Obama billboard or a billboard pointing out all the FACTS of gun violence, and have a picture of Obama smiling on it? Now “imagine” thor’s, guest’s and all the “usual suspects” response! Just. . imagine!

toohip

Defending the crazy gun nut’s right to freedom of expression. .

Got it! ;o)

Guest1

Have heard this argument from a lot of “right wing gun nuts” as a “good” example of gun rights. Well the white americans back then fully agreed with “their government” having Native Americans being rounded up and moved so THEY could confiscate their land. Nothing humorous or anything else from the cowards who rented the billboard and want to remain “anonymous”!

The Scorekeeper

Nothing humorous or anything else from the cowards who rented the billboard and want to remain “anonymous”!–

And this from someone with a name of Guest1? Irony anyone?

Guest1

How about “The Scorekeeper”???? Anyone?????
Or any other “name” on here? Anyone?????

thor

Scorekeeper is some better. You can take an alias, but you have no standing to criticize someone who wants to remain anonymous.

Guest1

They paid to rent a billboard to promote an agenda. They’re cowards to remain “anonymous”. If they really believe in what they’re trying to say….then why anonymously?? Because they even know this is stupid!! But you defend these kind of nutcases all the time. Stupid is….as …..

thor

You’re correct. I’d even defend you if the situation was right.

toohip

You’re correct. (but) I’d even defend you if the situation was right.
thor! You REALLY . . didn’t say that????? Was their a pun in using the word. . . “right?” ;o)

Justclimbit

Or any other of the countless pseudonyms that goodspkr uses routinely. Evidently, for the next 5 minutes he will be “The Scorekeeper”. Honestly, how do you think he keeps track?

Guest1

Yeah, goodspkr is a coward also! But his lackey thor always shows up to defend him!!

thor

How do you know scorekeeper is goodspkr? Talk about a nutcase…

Justclimbit

Actually, it was me that made that assertion. A simple check of his DISQUS profile confirmed it. While I think calling him a “nutcase” is a bit disrespectful, I could think of him as Scott Farkus to your Grover Dill.

toohip

it’s “Scut Farkus”. . now you’re being disrespectful! ;o)

Justclimbit

Hence it’s removal…but you gotta admit, the casting was spot on.

Dano2

All these anonymi have successfully spammed the thread and have hidden the discussion, however. Mission Accomplished!

Best,

D

peterpi

So, why are you replying to it?

thor

I agree. And calling me a lackey just because we agree on some issues is nuts in my mind.

Justclimbit

Despite that being an odd place for nuts, I most certainly agree that you have the right to agree with anyone whose opinion you agree with. Sorry, just thought I’d end on something agreeable.

Justclimbit

Actually, it was me that made that assertion. A simple check of his DISQUS profile confirmed it. I think calling him a “nutcase” for choosing to rotate through many identities is a bit disrespectful, however.

Guest1

Stupid is…….

toohip

ooooh,. . ooooh I know the answer, it’s. . what’s-his-name!

toohip

what thor is trying to say is. . . . “BLASPHEMY!!!!” (read: how dare you besmirch the great name of goodspkr!)

peterpi

I wish people would stop speculating that new poster X is goodspkr. It’s dumb beyond words.
But then, this whole thread has entirely deteriorated into pre-school mutual temper tantrum throwing.
Time to move on, grasshopper, and follow your inner Keith Carradine.

Justclimbit

Actually, “grasshopper” is just one of the many screen names pointing to Keith Carradine’s DISQUS account. He also posts as “Kwai Chang Caine”, “The Shaolinator”, and “monk”.

Guest1

And why do you care??? You post a lot of things that are “dumb beyond words”….but I seldom see anyone (other than thor) comment about it.

And it was David Carradine, not Keith.

Justclimbit

Spot on. And correction noted (regarding Mr. Carradine).

I still find it annoying and a bit unethical to adopt several different identities while conversing with others. And why folks find this so difficult to verify is a bit of a mystery.

peterpi

Thanks for the correction.

toohip

with goodspkr you always got thor. Now thor must go it alone with just wannabes!

toohip

goodspkr is (sniff) dead. Long live the crazy rantings, of goodspkr. .still “#2” on the hit’s list!

toohip

Wrong argument “Guest1.” It’s “what’s in a name?” at least we know no one is using the name “Scorekeeper.” When you use “Guest” it’s so. . . generic? And begs the question – Who’s hiding now?

Guest

“When the Army, the Marines, or even the local police SWAT squad comes knocking, they will take those guns. Even if they have to pry them out of the cold, dead hands of their former owners.

In other words, to anyone who shares this juvenile delusion: grow up!”

Perhaps you should wonder we ever allowed the government to become so powerful in the first place. Perhaps its because sheep like yourself gladly give up their freedom for the illusion of security that makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside. Perhaps in addition to growing up…you should pull your head out of your a$$.

Tbone

I think the point went right over you, didn’t it?

Guest

I think reading comprehension is a bit difficult for you, isn’t it?

peterpi

No, Guest is wondering how Americans allowed, in Guest’s opinion, the government to grow so big and all-reaching that ordinary Americans couldn’t tackle it head on.
Disagree with his argument, but Mr. Kimber’s argument didn’t go over Guest’s head.

toohip

Oh. Wow. Guest you ARE going off the edge. Now you’re suggesting we should of never let the “gov’t” from developing military weapons to defend itself against enemies foreign and . ., because we couldn’t let them get more weaponry than domestic enemies? This is your “check” to keep the evil guvmit in line, and it’s “not fair” to let Obama and his negro army to have better weaponry then you guys? Oh, yeah, well you’re a “sheep” too! (wow, another one that gets to vote!)

DR

No one said anything about “Obama and his negro army” (what the hell does that even mean?). Do you really think after constantly babbling asinine gibberish like that, anyone actually takes anything you say seriously? Here’s a clue….they don’t.

reinhold23

How we allowed the government to become so powerful? Because most conservatives think we cannot spend enough money on military, police, security, etc. that’s how.

Guest

Right problem wrong cause. The government becomes so powerful not by over funding the police, the military and security (not exactly sure of the difference between security and the first two), but by mainly getting involved in so many other things. It becomes so powerful by going from controlling less than 10% of the GNP to 24%. You do know we spend less of the GDP on the military today than we did back when Kennedy was president (we were spending 10% in the Kennedy’s term and we are spending 5.8% today), yet we spend a lot more in total.

It becomes so powerful by telling us what light bulbs we can buy and what kind of a toilet we must have in our homes. And now I see they are looking at the soap we use. The government becomes so powerful by turning much of the running of the government over to faceless bureaucrats who write regulations that never get voted upon by congress and never seem to be changed. Government becomes more powerful as it takes away the power of the people and takes it upon itself to make decisions for us all because that is what Progressivism is all about (rule by experts). .

But here’s the odd part. As government gets more powerful, the country itself gets less powerful.

toohip

Amazed the Post only published pro-gun-control letters. We know there were letters justifying this signage and trying to convince us there on the side of the American Indians still trying to get justice? While the point was to suggest the U.S. gov’t took away the Native American’s guns – which in most cases they did not knowing they depended on them for food – the hidden message is had the Indians had more guns they could stop an abusive gov’t as they suggest the 2nd Amendment is about (and it’s not).

The Native American lobby is pretty powerful, and have gotten a lot of sports teams names and geographical site names changed that were derogative I wonder how that lobby feels about the gun lobby using their likeness and heritage to (falsely) advance their agenda?

johnrpack

Ron: Last time the US federal government went on a hunt expedition that killed law-abiding Americans? Last night. Under the pretense of the Drug War (which has no 16th amendment making it legal), the FDA conducts many raids. Some of them resulted in the deaths of individuals who have not been convicted of any crime. Our government is also conducting covert operations in more than 70 nations (per recent testimony before congress).

Robert: How irresistible is the Army, Marines, police, and SWAT coming to take our guns? How successful have those groups been in taking the arms away from our enemies in Afghanistan and Iraq? There are over 300 million guns in the USA, most of which are unregistered. Lately, gun owners have stocked millions of rounds of ammo. And, if the federal gov’t really tried to confiscate our weapons, how large a share of our constitution-loving army would side with the rebels? I wouldn’t bet on the federal gov’t winning that one.

Raymond: As for the American Indians, our government disarmed them first. Then they got one short end of the stick after another until they were on tiny, arid reservations that no one else wanted. Only foolish groups would let our government disarm them.

Robtf777

However……bad……the billboard may seem to be……it DOES strike a “message” that various Native American Rights Groups have proclaimed for decades: The Government Cannot Be Trusted……..because The Federal Government has a habit of breaking treaties, breaking promises, and going back on their word.

The idea is that “what happened” to the Native Americans……in what is NOW the United States……is actually quite similar to what happened when the Nazis……marginalized……select minority populations…….rounded them up…….moved them to “reservations” “concentration camps”……..in the hope that “out of our sight; out of our mind.”

What the United States did to the Native Americans……what the Nazis did to the Jews…..what the United States did to its own Japanese during WW2…..has been played out over and over and over throughout human history.

That is one of the reasons the motto of the US is “In God We Trust”…….and NOT “In The Federal Government We Trust”………because throughout human history the idea that “Power Corrupts Mankind and Absolute Power Absolutely Corrupts Mankind” has been proven over and over and over.

That is why our Founding Fathers envisioned a Limited Federal Government and Fifty State Governments to whom, via the Tenth Amendment, most Powers Of Government were to remain.

bw

I believe the the sign is very appropriate for what is taking place in our country.a First guns, then children, them anything else they want.

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