On 2/9/14 11:25 AM in this thread Grumpy gave two quotes concerning Ezekiel 38 and 39 from an article by A. J. Webb. Grumpy was then kind enough to provide a link to the entire article by Mr. Webb when requested to do so. Here is a link to the entire article which I provide as I am going to quote Mr. Webb from his article:

1. "it is worthwhile to note that if, as I maintain, Gog is" Mr. Webb freely admits that what he claims equals an "if", which is an admission that what he states may be incorrect.

2. "so if Gog is the Beast" Again we have an admission by Mr. Webb that a theory set forth in his article may be totally incorrect.

I disagree with various theories put forth by Mr. Webb in his article, but I certainly give him credit for being intellectually honest by admitting that he could be wrong concerning his theories. That is such a refreshing change from most self proclaimed "experts" pontificating on the subject of evolution.

1 Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem, 2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.3 When Herod the king had heard these things, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him.4 And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born.5 And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet,

Dopey wrote:SteveR, settle down or you are going to pop a blood vessel over your hatred for the truth concerning Ezekiel 38 and 39. Have some Snickerdoodles then lay down for a while and you will feel a lot better. Later when you get up you can go here and learn something that is beneficial for you and born again Christians.

--------------Thanks Dopey for that link to Snickerdoodles...I love to bake!

Thank you for the link Grumpy . Lord willing I intend to comment on Mr. Webb's article which your link led me to. But I will be surprised if I do that before Friday as I have a lot on my schedule that I believe God wants done first.

Grumpy wrote:"In Ezekiel 38 and 39, Gog is referred to in the singular repeatedly as the "prince of Rosh, Meshech and Tubal". This seems to be a strong indication that Gog should not be thought of as merely representing a nation or indeed the entire confederation of nations sent to attack the people of God. Rather, Gog himself is an antichrist figure,...""Chapters 38 and 39 of Ezekiel describe a final cataclysmic battle between Gog and his armies and..." (A.J.Webb)

Grumpy I am assuming, until you tell me something different, that the two quotations you give are both both from A. J. Webb. I am not familiar with the Mr. Webb you refer to. If you can, will you please provide me an internet link that will allow me to know what Mr Webb believed/believes about Scripture in general and Jesus Christ in particular.

As well, if you can, would you please provide an internet link that allows me to read what you have quoted from Mr. Webb as well as read whatever else Mr. Webb had to say on Ezekiel 38 and 39.

Thanking you in advance Grumpy, believing that if you can do it you will do it.

Grumpy wrote:"In Ezekiel 38 and 39, Gog is referred to in the singular repeatedly as the "prince of Rosh, Meshech and Tubal". This seems to be a strong indication that Gog should not be thought of as merely representing a nation or indeed the entire confederation of nations sent to attack the people of God. Rather, Gog himself is an antichrist figure, most likely the Beast of Revelation. This is in keeping with the repeated emphasis that all those in the world who are not part of the church will follow the beast; "And the whole earth was amazed and followed after the beast" (Rev. 13:3).""Chapters 38 and 39 of Ezekiel describe a final cataclysmic battle between Gog and his armies and the Lord that results in the utter devastation of all who oppose the Lord and his people Israel. Here we see a great example of the principle that due to the progressive unfolding of revelation, "what is in the old concealed, )

If find it more interesting that dispensationalists ignore the fact that Israeli Jews consider the world 'Magog' and the USA 'Gog'

"In Ezekiel 38 and 39, Gog is referred to in the singular repeatedly as the "prince of Rosh, Meshech and Tubal". This seems to be a strong indication that Gog should not be thought of as merely representing a nation or indeed the entire confederation of nations sent to attack the people of God. Rather, Gog himself is an antichrist figure, most likely the Beast of Revelation. This is in keeping with the repeated emphasis that all those in the world who are not part of the church will follow the beast; "And the whole earth was amazed and followed after the beast" (Rev. 13:3)."

"Chapters 38 and 39 of Ezekiel describe a final cataclysmic battle between Gog and his armies and the Lord that results in the utter devastation of all who oppose the Lord and his people Israel. Here we see a great example of the principle that due to the progressive unfolding of revelation, "what is in the old concealed, is in the new revealed." It was not until the writing of the book of Revelation many hundreds of years later, that it became evident exactly what these chapters in Ezekiel where pointing towards." (A.J.Webb)

John UK wrote:Thank you brother, I have bookmarked that site and article and will read it when I have time. I like the map, and yes, I have believed similarly for many years, although I am not very good on prophecy. Saddam Hussein promised to wipe Israel out, but never had the chance.2.

John in case you didn't notice page 1 and page 2 at that site allow you download both pages in pdf form. And the download link is at the bottom of each page.

Dopey wrote:John my dear brother I have believed for over 40 years that Gog is the leader of Russia at the time of the future Russian invasion of Israel dealt with in Ezekiel 38 and 39. How I came to that belief involved listening to audio, reading various people's writings, and studying Scripture. I can't detail all of those things in this post obviously but here is something interesting: After I discovered your question to me in this thread I came across this very interesting website, that bears on your question, and I can truthfully say I had never seen this website before I came across your question Gog of Ezekiel 38P.S How do you feel having battled the Philistines for several days in the Russian thread? Well the battle is over in that thread and after surveying the battlefield I do believe we won and the Philistines lost.

Thank you brother, I have bookmarked that site and article and will read it when I have time. I like the map, and yes, I have believed similarly for many years, although I am not very good on prophecy. Saddam Hussein promised to wipe Israel out, but never had the chance.

neverhappened wrote:Donald Macleod, retired professor of systematic theology at the Free Church of Scotland College in Edinburgh (2011)

Is this the same Professor MacLeod who split the Free Church because he wasn't properly tried by the Assembly according to the laws of the Free Church?Quote; "it was wrong not to put Professor Macleod on trial in the General Assembly and that the majority has therefore departed from the principle that allegations of misconduct must be investigated not by a Committee of the General Assembly but by the whole General Assembly.""

If this is the same person then he is a Liberal and wouldn't know true Calvinism from a Giraffe!!

John UK wrote:David, I wonder if you can tell me who Gog is, that I may better understand your points. Thank you bro.Ezekiel 39:1 KJV1 Therefore, thou son of man, prophesy against Gog, and say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:

John my dear brother I have believed for over 40 years that Gog is the leader of Russia at the time of the future Russian invasion of Israel dealt with in Ezekiel 38 and 39. How I came to that belief involved listening to audio, reading various people's writings, and studying Scripture. I can't detail all of those things in this post obviously but here is something interesting:

After I discovered your question to me in this thread I came across this very interesting website, that bears on your question, and I can truthfully say I had never seen this website before I came across your question

Donald Macleod, retired professor of systematic theology at the Free Church of Scotland College in Edinburgh (2011), reports on the history of Presbyterianism:

"Where, then, have all the âtulipsâ gone? The plain truth is, they were never there. There was probably only one period in Scottish history when Calvinism was really in control, and that was between 1638 and 1649, when the Kirk was led by the great though diverse talents of Alexander Henderson, Samuel Rutherford and George Gillespie. Presbyterianism held the conscience of the nation, the nobility briefly cast in their lot with the Church, and the English Parliament was desperate for her help in defence of national liberties. Long before the movement could permanently change the face of Scotland it was reined-in by Cromwellâs Ironsides and then crushed by Claverhouseâs dragoons."

The "Calvinist" Presbyterian Kirk is a 350 year old myth that was finally debunked this week when the Scottish Parliament voted for Same-Sex Marriage. The tulip was "never there" in the Kirk.

posterboy wrote:The UK is sadly ripe for judgement. How sad that the vast majority of our land have no fear of God before their eyes, especially when we consider what God has 'rained' upon Sodomites as a warning against such a wickedness.Genesis 19:24 Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;

"ripe for judgment" absolutely correct.The incredible part of all this is the tiny percentage of homosexuals in the nation who are having such an overwhelming affect on the politicians, bureaucrats and of course the media/entertainment industry. Or rather than give the mortals the authority - Perhaps we should blame Satan. Moral standards don't stand a chance in this nation anymore. The national church and other churches are just as worldly as the reprobates. The true Church is diminishing gradually so we can ask with Abraham, If there are fifty left will you destroy the UK? then forty,thirty ....ten??

Gen 18:24 Peradventure there be fifty righteous within the city: wilt thou also destroy and not spare the place for the fifty righteous that are therein?

Sexual immorality with any form of humble beginings all to way to homosexuality and violent sex is one of the most calculated and aggressive assaults on the authority of God over an individuals life when sexual immorality is taken as a whole.

The seriouness of this goes well beyond what is appealing to the eyes and flesh, do not have a narrow view of this. Sexual immorality is one of the highest catalysts in the destruction of a society and has accelerated americas slide into destruction in ways we fail to comprehend I.E. feminist morphing into sexual revolution.