OT Bobcat while skiing

Here's a pic of something we "skied into" on Saturday. You know your in big woods when come across these things.
For the record, I am extremely upset at the fact that this majectic creature is no longer roaming the forest and I am not an advocate nor a supporter of hunting. The smile is more from the adreneline of getting so close to the cat and the fact that the "hunters" ( and I use that loosely) had loaded weapons. We congratualted them on the kill to be diplomatic however I doubt there is any skill in training 2 dogs to corner a bobcat in its den and then shoot it from 8 feet away as they admitted doing. Unfortunately the "tour guide", which in itself is illegal on gamelands if he was paid, claimed that it was their third one this week.
I posted the picture so everyone can see the beauty of these animals. Not to brag about a dead cat. Believe me, I feel terrible about the entire incident and somewhat wish I did not take the pic. They are much cooler to see running around in the woods then hanging on the wall.

Guns don't kill bobcats... People kill bobcats! I would guess if he shot it with an arrow we would have "Arrow" control! Would the animal be any more dead if shot with an arrow? You make it sound as if he was wrong to hunt bobcats! Com'on its not someone's CAT... It's a wild amimal in "State Gameland" How about bagging Rabbits or Pheasents with dogs? The use of dogs is a tool to allow the hunter to locate the kill.

No Gun control! But guns do control people! Aren't all races legaly living here in America....Americans? I never saw a racist gun yet!... LOL!

Let me know how it works out if your ever confronted by a gun wielding moron and you have no GUN! Oh ya... you won't be able to let me know now will you? Or out skiing and confronted by a hungry Black Bear! When a Black decides to eat you he doesn't give up no matter what! Try taking to that! Good Luck!

So let's remember how you now have the right to ride your Mt Bikes and XC ski and live "FREE" in the USA!... Hum seems we did it with Guns............ not talk or controls!

So your aginst hunting, yet you took a pic of the kill? Hum.. if he hadn't killed the bobdcat you would never have a pic of the majestic animal! Did you express your true feelings as posted here to the hunters with loaded guns as you talked to them?

So here's the real deal you feel bad but you took a pic of the kill and posted it here anyway on a Mt Bike forum for all to see!

gotts ta luv them "sportsmen"

quick response to Lee:

Originally Posted by NEPMTBA

Let me know how it works out if your ever confronted by a gun wielding moron and you have no GUN! Oh ya... you won't be able to let me know now will you? Or out skiing and confronted by a hungry Black Bear! When a Black decides to eat you he doesn't give up no matter what! Try taking to that! Good Luck! So are you trying to compare this to the killing of a bobcat? do you think these guys who shot and killed the bobcat did so out of the need of self protection?

So let's remember how you now have the right to ride your Mt Bikes and XC ski and live "FREE" in the USA!... Hum seems we did it with Guns............ not talk or controls!A rather selectively narrow view of history that I don't have the time to tell you all that is wrong with that statement. There are books about it. I'd recommend Howard Zinn's "A People's History of the United States"
So your aginst hunting, yet you took a pic of the kill? Hum.. if he hadn't killed the bobdcat you would never have a pic of the majestic animal! Did you express your true feelings as posted here to the hunters with loaded guns as you talked to them?

So here's the real deal you feel bad but you took a pic of the kill and posted it here anyway on a Mt Bike forum for all to see! He started a topic of conversation on this PA forum, something you do almost everytime you yourself do after you go for a ride or rake a trail or have something to say in general

2 words "Mike Huckabee" ...is a radical cleric who supports the group of tyrants that overthrew our federal government.....Did I win?

Just my take! What do I know
Supporting Hunters Everywhere

No offense here Lee, It wouldn't be as exciting on this forum without your 2 cents.
peace, moonraker

that sucks that there is one less bobcat roaming around out there but it is legal to hunt them so i got no problem with that. i'm not going to criticize the hunters for participating in a legal activity. now if the hunters violated the hunting regulations then i would have a problem. if you thought that that animal was taken unlawfully then you should have gotten the hunters license plate # and contacted the game commission.

No offense here Lee, It wouldn't be as exciting on this forum without your 2 cents.
peace, moonraker

No offense in my 2 cents either It is there for all to read. As you know you have the options to disagree, not read, or respond as do I and everyone else here on the forum as long as they are to the topic. That's what makes it so great! If we all agreed we would have a pretty boring forum.

From my point of view the topic doesn't make sense. Stopping to take a pic then saying it is wrong is well... WRONG! The hunter has every right to hunt. Let's look at the real point. The hunter was in no way causing trouble for anyone and it was the XC skier who approached the hunter according to the post. You don't see a pic of a hunter standing with skiers do you? Hum maybe the hunter can assume XC skiers are all on Crack or looking for places to dump garbage! Maybe the XC skier was leading a tour for money? Run a muck? Yes... indeeed!

The statement of "oh by the way it's illegal to lead tours for money in SGL" is like saying well ridng Mt Bikes in SGL is illegal too. So are many other things! Where's the point! Why assume there was a tour beign led when it's not your business nor you were not a party to the accusation of such said event! Read the post it is filled with nonsense about making the hunter out to be a wrongful person for enjoying his sport. That's why I ask if the real opinion was given as a pic of the kill was taken If you don't agree with the action why jump right on in and oh get a pic of this guys. Hunters with "loaded guns" Is that assumed to be a threat to someone? Wow, mt bikers with downhill bikes that travel at high speed can kill if your hit by one!

Yes, a Bobcat is a wonderful creature to look at and it was in no way chasing the hunter, but it's callied hunting for a reason. It's a sport enjoyed by millions. Is it right to say golfers are dangerous cause they walk around swinging clubs?

Yes, there are books about all things, why do you feel only your books are correct? I will indeed read the suggestion you posted. Having an open mind is a good thing! I responded to the fact that I support hunting! Many people I ride with are hunters and they work to build and maintain legal trails for Mt Bikers! Are all mt bikers good? No! Are all hunters Good? No!

It just looks like an attempt to assign titles to the hunter as him doing lot's of things wrong. Since this is posted on a Mt Biking board it is biased to non hunting, but what would be the opinions if it were posted on a hunting board? If you XC ski in SGL or private property where hunting is allowed you have to relize you will see hunters well..."HUNTING" like it agree with it or not.

now if the hunters violated the hunting regulations then i would have a problem.

I am a hunter and I would be equally upset if I saw someone acting with disregard. I think most hunters would be offended by those that have little respect for the animal, other users, and regulations.

But, this doesn't appear to be the case here. They were hunting for a game animal and were successful. Good for them!

No offense in my 2 cents either It is there for all to read. As you know you have the options to disagree, not read, or respond as do I and everyone else here on the forum as long as they are to the topic. That's what makes it so great! If we all agreed we would have a pretty boring forum.

From my point of view the topic doesn't make sense. Stopping to take a pic then saying it is wrong is well... WRONG! The hunter has every right to hunt. Let's look at the real point. The hunter was in no way causing trouble for anyone and it was the XC skier who approached the hunter according to the post. You don't see a pic of a hunter standing with skiers do you? Hum maybe the hunter can assume XC skiers are all on Crack or looking for places to dump garbage! Maybe the XC skier was leading a tour for money? Run a muck? Yes... indeeed!

The statement of "oh by the way it's illegal to lead tours for money in SGL" is like saying well ridng Mt Bikes in SGL is illegal too. So are many other things! Where's the point! Why assume there was a tour beign led when it's not your business nor you were not a party to the accusation of such said event! Read the post it is filled with nonsense about making the hunter out to be a wrongful person for enjoying his sport. That's why I ask if the real opinion was given as a pic of the kill was taken If you don't agree with the action why jump right on in and oh get a pic of this guys. Hunters with "loaded guns" Is that assumed to be a threat to someone? Wow, mt bikers with downhill bikes that travel at high speed can kill if your hit by one!

Yes, a Bobcat is a wonderful creature to look at and it was in no way chasing the hunter, but it's callied hunting for a reason. It's a sport enjoyed by millions. Is it right to say golfers are dangerous cause they walk around swinging clubs?

Yes, there are books about all things, why do you feel only your books are correct? I will indeed read the suggestion you posted. Having an open mind is a good thing! I responded to the fact that I support hunting! Many people I ride with are hunters and they work to build and maintain legal trails for Mt Bikers! Are all mt bikers good? No! Are all hunters Good? No!

It just looks like an attempt to assign titles to the hunter as him doing lot's of things wrong. Since this is posted on a Mt Biking board it is biased to non hunting, but what would be the opinions if it were posted on a hunting board? If you XC ski in SGL or private property where hunting is allowed you have to relize you will see hunters well..."HUNTING" like it agree with it or not.

More of my 2 cents!

VERY WELL PUT (on both of your posts)!!!! I couldnt have said it better myself.

Hey NEPMTBA

You give your "2 cents" but your not making much sense to me. You sound alittle crazy the way you attacked ganginwood. Why don't you just relax. You got too much energy dude, go ride your bike and calm down. Besides, Mike Huckabee is only pulling 12% of the NH vote. You should start rooting for Obama.

I like what everyone said in defense of hunting so far. For the comment on it probably doesn't take much to train dogs to do that, don't knock it unless you know what your talking about. I have trained beagles before for hunting rabbits and that is a great task that requires many many many hours of work which results in a great relationship between you and your dogs. Hunting is not all about the kill, there is a great bond you get with your hunting friends and mother nature.

This is why this area sucks. If all of the outdoor enthusiasts in the area would join forces we could make great things! But I forgot, we are all to worried about who likes who and the high school drama scene.

You didn't have to knock hunting in the post, seems like you were looking for a rebuttle. Surprise surprise.

You give your "2 cents" but your not making much sense to me. You sound alittle crazy the way you attacked ganginwood. Why don't you just relax. You got too much energy dude, go ride your bike and calm down. Besides, Mike Huckabee is only pulling 12% of the NH vote. You should start rooting for Obama.

No offense here!

He came upon a hunter who was minding his own business and made it look as if the hunter was doing wrong. Sorry... I don't agree with that! As I wouldn't agree with a hunter saying something of a Mt Biker minding his own business. My opinion and it's not bashing anyone in anyway. I'm not wrong for pointing that out as you can see others agree with me.

Mike Huckabee told of how he wouldn't show a bashing commericial then went and did it anyways. Then removed it and as you know once it's out there it spreads.

If I rode anymore it would be my job... LOL!

I would guess you don't post much with 6 total! Not a hunter either? How would you feel if your mt bike trip was posted on a hunting forum in an untrue negative light!

You know as well as I do anytime Hunting or Guns are posted here it brings comments. But let's be real the hunter was doing nothing wrong nor am I for pointing that out! Sorry if you don't see it!

Nepmtba

I was just trying to get you fired up dude
I got no problem with hunting. Just keep killing those poor defensless little animals with your GUNS you MACHO man. Stop typing, I was Just joking!
Have fun riding brother.
PS for the record that was a low blow with the 6 post's comment

I was just trying to get you fired up dude
I got no problem with hunting. Just keep killing those poor defensless little animals with your GUNS you MACHO man. Stop typing, I was Just joking!
Have fun riding brother.
PS for the record that was a low blow with the 6 post's comment

On our French Creek ride this past Saturday we passed a father and son both dragging deer out of the woods on the multi-use trail. As a hunter and a father, trust me this had to be a cool day for both of them. No different than when you and your kid have a clean ride on Rocks Ridge Trail, or both hammer the Blue Marsh loop in good time. Quality time spent either way.

It does seem odd the the OP is really digging the hands on experience of the Bobcat and then trashes how it came to be????

Quote" It does seem odd the the OP is really digging the hands on experience of the Bobcat and then trashes how it came to be???? "Quote

That's exactly what I speak of. Oh ...by the way let me hold it and take a pic, but unsaid to the hunter "Wait why did you kill it you bad person holding a loaded gun? Hum.. is that guilt by association or an accessory to the kill?... LOL!

By all means Wolfmansbrother8's comment is the best!

"Quote This is why this area sucks. If all of the outdoor enthusiasts in the area would join forces we could make great things! But I forgot, we are all to worried about who likes who and the high school drama scene.

You didn't have to knock hunting in the post, seems like you were looking for a rebuttle. Surprise surprise. "Quote

Mike: You have to live up here to understand the jock high school drama thing! We all laugh about it all the time! Like the "Hey you look'in at my girlfriend thing" Next time I see ya in person I will explain and you can get a laugh also! I hope Wolfmansbrother8 is there. You have to hear it from him.

Hey NEPMTBA
Sounds as though you need input from insightful individuals such as ganginwood to "make your day". I'm sure you have some valid points, though i couldn't read all of your input as it was too emotionally charged.
What you appear to be saying (yelling) is no one should question the game commission rules nor those who abide by them.
how about the 35lb albino cub taken in centre county, along with another cub and mother. within the rules, so no one should say anything. Hunter said he thought it was a coyote, then saw it was a bear...reminds me of the guys ganginwood talked to...

Hey NEPMTBA
how about the 35lb albino cub taken in centre county, along with another cub and mother. within the rules, so no one should say anything. Hunter said he thought it was a coyote, then saw it was a bear...reminds me of the guys ganginwood talked to...

Yea, it is within the rules. But, not all hunters are bad guys. Just like not all mt bikers are trail poachers. Yes, there are some that operate outside of the "limits", but that is no reason to classify all hunters or bikers into one category. All it takes is a few bad apples to start a classification and the associated reputation.

Like I said, I am a hunter. But, I dont enjoy all types of hunting for some personal reasons. That doesnt mean that those that participate in the areas that I dont enjoy are blood thirsty killers, it just means that we all have different likes and dislikes.

I am in no way trying to flame your post. You actually seem to have a similar view as me on the above quoted examples. I just dont like a broad classification whether it is against hunters or bikers.

Hey NEPMTBA
Sounds as though you need input from insightful individuals such as ganginwood to "make your day". I'm sure you have some valid points, though i couldn't read all of your input as it was too emotionally charged.
What you appear to be saying (yelling) is no one should question the game commission rules nor those who abide by them.
how about the 35lb albino cub taken in centre county, along with another cub and mother. within the rules, so no one should say anything. Hunter said he thought it was a coyote, then saw it was a bear...reminds me of the guys ganginwood talked to...

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeee...

Now there ya go bagging on Pa. Hunters! Where did the hunters of the Bobcat in this post shoot something illegal? Can you assume anything else they might be doing wrong?

Hey, how about the High School Drama Scene & Choir? I can guarantee you that will be the topic of continuing laughter on the ride tomorrow night!

Winter time entertainment is the Best!
"Wolfmansbrother8" for King!

And you wonder why Mt Bikers aren't allowed in SGL... It would be a different story if Mt Bikers had to run permits on their bikes and stick to certain trails so then roaming hunters could tag mt bikers as doing things illegal. It might just happen my friend!
I think it's time to lock the Topic!

Reply to forum group

Personal attacks are not allowed nor is name calling! (ganginwood) reverted to such action towards me and it is noted he used abusive text to degrade me by associating it with my real name.

I stuck to points in the forum post and did not degrade to name calling... I have an earlier PM from (ganginwood) to me and didn't post it as a favor to all since it contained crursuing and other rather colorful text! I have since blocked further abusive PMs from him.

"My opinion" is I viewed the hunters being shown in a negative light and I responded. I'm not the only one here who feels the way I do.

I'm registered here and I post here! There is no rule capping one's posts. I post and receive info for NEPMTBA on MTBR and many other forums. I have many emails from people thanking me for what we do. People ask for info so I respond. It's my job. I don't know how many posts I have nor do I compete to gain posts.

If the hunters were doing something wrong certainly by all means report them. I feel it was wrong to then brag on a mt biking forum especially after you be friended the persons and take pics with their kill. Again My opinion.

XC Sking at Frances Slocum is great! Although I didn't see that amount of snow at FS though... Hum!

I do a pretty good job spelling most of the time. My posts show that!

So there's my respectful answer to all. I'm not sorry for giving my opinion! It is my own personal view. I felt I defended a group of hunters and would do so again to any post I feel in my opinion mis represents the group being spoken of! In light of that and not my rule, but a person cannot pick and choose who he wishes to "hear" from other than hitting the ignore button.(hint) It's an open forum and all responses are welcome. If you post, expect to hear responses, opinions you might not agree with or wanna hear.