The Next Obamacare Shoe To Drop: When Will Insurers Freak Out?http://www.businessinsider.com/the-next-obamacare-shoe-to-drop-when-will-insurers-freak-out-2013-11/comments
en-usWed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 -0500Fri, 09 Dec 2016 12:19:35 -0500Danny Vinikhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/52866e3b6da8114f64cfbc54Jeff77450Fri, 15 Nov 2013 13:55:55 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52866e3b6da8114f64cfbc54
Agreed. People could put that $500-a-month into a medical savings account.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52853d60eab8ea2329f92335ResultsMatterThu, 14 Nov 2013 16:15:12 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52853d60eab8ea2329f92335
Amazing that BusinessInsider has nothing on the main page of this site about Obamacare and today's capitulation by our Dear Ruler... as "journalists" continue to carry water for the democrats and socialized medicine.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5284cc4beab8ea3f3975e903bittergreenThu, 14 Nov 2013 08:12:43 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5284cc4beab8ea3f3975e903
"They will wait until the site is working and can complete their signup in a few minutes."
Why signup at all? $95 dollar tax or paying $500/month for things you don't need.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/528409aa6bb3f7c33ddda6f2Michael SilvaWed, 13 Nov 2013 18:22:18 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/528409aa6bb3f7c33ddda6f2
Here is how it gets funded and the money allocated, right from Canadian Health Care.org:
Health care in Canada is funded at both the provincial and federal levels. The financing of health care is provided via taxation both from personal and corporate income taxes. Additional funds from other financial sources like sales tax and lottery proceeds are also used by some provinces.
Alberta, British Columbia, and Ontario also charge health premiums to supplement health funding, but such premiums are not required for health coverage as per the Canada Health Act.
Health Care and the Economy
Canada's health care has a large impact on the Canadian economy. Here are a few facts and figures about the economy and health care:
• Health care expenditures in Canada topped $100 billion in 2001.
• Approximately 9.5% of Canada's gross domestic product is spent on health care. In comparison, the United States spends close to 14% of its GDP on health care.
• Individually, Canadians spend about $3300 per capita on health care.
• At a provincial level, funding is between one-third and one-half of what provinces spend on social programs.
About three-quarters of all funding comes from public sources, with the One of the forefronts of debate in Canadian politics is its health care system. There are many factors in the debate, but some key issues are:
Federal involvement in health care: Because provinces and territories are responsible for the actual administration and delivery of health care in Canada, friction is apparent whenever policies are set at a federal level.
Private health care: While privately funded clinics do provide certain services with shorter wait times than the public system, there are those who object to any privatization of the health system. The arguments are that a "two-tier" health care system will unbalance the system and favor those with higher incomes.
The shortage of doctors and nurses in Canada: Some feel that Canada's health care system does not adequately compensate health care providers. This has led to a "brain drain" of Canadian doctors and nurses, which have left Canada to pursue careers in the United States. Attracting and keeping skilled medical workers is a priority if Canada is to be able to provide proper medical services.
• Remainder from private sources such as businesses and private insurance.
As you see, local control of the funds, not national control. They spend less on health care; people still come to the US to get medical procedures, etc… This will sound cruel, but, why did you leave? You obviously wanted a better life and realized that health care is a small part of that. However, it is because of the federal control and not local control that is the problem. I don’t want some bureaucrat in DC telling me in California what to do. I already have a wacked out State legislature that does that already. Peace, have a good night, it's been fun debating with you.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283f18d6da811434cdfc6bfanonymouscowardWed, 13 Nov 2013 16:39:25 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283f18d6da811434cdfc6bf
I blame chemtrails.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283eea46bb3f7ec0bdda6f2anonymouscowardWed, 13 Nov 2013 16:27:00 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283eea46bb3f7ec0bdda6f2
And to add I've lived in Ontario, NY and California and can prove it if need be.
Ontario had the best medical care and was by far the cheapest.
The only reason we don't adopt this model is because of ideologues who think collective risk is the boogeyman and akin to socialism. I don't care if you call it 'socialism' or 'deathchocolatepoo'. If I get better care for cheaper that's what I'm gonna want.
Compare the tax differences. Then add out of pocket healthcare + healthcare premiums and I'm actually paying more down here down the drain while getting worse care.
I like this country better but the healthcare is a joke (unless you're rich)http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283edcb6da811ca3edfc6c9anonymouscowardWed, 13 Nov 2013 16:23:23 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283edcb6da811ca3edfc6c9
Actually it's 3 years longer but who cares? The point is it's on par and it's "free".
I'm paying more now for worse health care even taking into account my taxes.
I have lived in both countries and I got better care for cheaper up there.
This "oh God the taxes are so high" doesn't have much quantitative support. Compare city+state+federal between Ontario and NY and CA and there's not much difference. Is Canada slightly higher, yes! But they have universal healthcare meaning you can go to any doctor or any hospital and get excellent (but not superb) treatment.
If you want superb then make sure you're rich and come down here. But only about what 5% of people are rich. What about the rest of the population?
All I'm trying to say is when the profit motive goes against the interests of the client the capitalist model does not work. If it did why do we come in so poorly when compared to virtually every other industrialized nation? Don't think about capitalism and Ayn Rand or Mao extremism just look around the world and see what works and what doesn't.
Americans are sicker, poorer and die earlier compared to a slew of industrialized countries including Canada. Maybe it's time to learn from that rather than being religious about economic models either far left or far right.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283e9a1ecad040913dfc6bfMichael SilvaWed, 13 Nov 2013 16:05:37 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283e9a1ecad040913dfc6bf
You're not going to live forever and the life expectancy is only about 1.6 years longer. I've been their and have Canadians working for me, so yes, I've talked to them. Ask your Canadian friends what their taxes are and look at the state of NY and California, where I live, it's sad.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283e9166da811ad34dfc6bfMichael SilvaWed, 13 Nov 2013 16:03:18 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283e9166da811ad34dfc6bf
PG & E is for Profit Corporation and is limited on what they can charge. If the market was allowed to function, there would be competition, something you and your friends don’t like because it gives individuals choices and freedom. You keep thinking about Enron and how they bilked idiot state officials that refused to grow capacity when the population was growing. Go figure. It’s funny that were told to “conserve” our energy uses, but my “public” utilities bill keeps going up. I wonder why? Oh, I know, it’s because they have to pay the cost to run these utilities. Public utilities are subsidized by TAX PAYER BONDS and fees added to your bill. Who do you think pays for that? You just think it’s cheaper, but you’re paying more.
What else at the Federal level runs better and more efficiently? Here’s some data; Obamacare website got 26k to sign up, but State run websites got 79k signed up. Local control is always better than Federal. Keep smoking that “legalized” pot and think that everything will be just fine. P.S., hasn’t you’re beloved Federal government said that artificial additives are bad for you?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283e72e6da811f52c8b456eanonymouscowardWed, 13 Nov 2013 15:55:10 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283e72e6da811f52c8b456e
Canadian taxes are hardly different from mine, and if you live in NY or CA that's true for you too.
Some come to the US but often it's subsidized by the Canadian govt. In a country of 30 Million if a few go south that's your definition of an argument? The majority stay home and gets excellent care there.
If the individual being in charge and private corporations are such a great idea why are Americans sicker, unhealthier, higher infant mortality rate, poorer (bankruptcy through medical) etc.all the while paying more for it? Why is my healthcare worse here than it was in Canada? And why am I paying way more for it ?
And life expectancy is 3 years longer. While 3 years isn't much the straw man that Canadians have this terrible experience isn't true. Have you ever talked to anyone who has lived in Canada AND the US? Try it some time.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283e63e6bb3f75b758b4577Michael SilvaWed, 13 Nov 2013 15:51:10 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283e63e6bb3f75b758b4577
Canadians are one of the highest taxed people and come to the US to get medical procedures done due to the long wait times from that great Canadian health care. Also, add in the fact that the population of Canada is much smaller than the US and that they allow petroleum production to subsidies their health care, you get a little better picture.
Put the individual in charge of their future and allow the individual to make decisions on their own and you’ll have the fix. Single payer always leads to shortages and rationing-see any socialized and communist countries. And, Canada’s life expectancy is only 1 year longer than those in the US. Nice try.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283e6326bb3f77b778b4568MotorCityMiserableWed, 13 Nov 2013 15:50:58 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283e6326bb3f77b778b4568
Do you even understand how health insurance works? The insurance carriers take the costs from providers(doctors and hospitals) and adds 15-20% for administration, marketing, and yes a 3-5% profit. But they also take on the risk that their members medical costs don't exceed the premiums. Health care reform does nothing to contain medical costs, the true problem!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283e3e5ecad04bf038b456dMotorCityMiserableWed, 13 Nov 2013 15:41:09 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283e3e5ecad04bf038b456d
really Lucius? Is this why insurers are pulling out of the individual and small group markets in many of the states, or have chosen not to participate in exchanges? You don't think if the carriers saw a way to make a buck they would offer coverage?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283e30feab8ea714b8b4570obviously?Wed, 13 Nov 2013 15:37:35 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283e30feab8ea714b8b4570
>5% sales tax on every stock transaction
You obviously are profoundly clueless if you think this would ever happen except maybe in Venezuela.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283e30369bedd3b288b4568MotorCityMiserableWed, 13 Nov 2013 15:37:23 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283e30369bedd3b288b4568
exactly! Small group plans are the next shoe to drop; same thing as the individual market: increased out of pocket outlays and higher premiums.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283e1d26bb3f7f7698b4572heresy101Wed, 13 Nov 2013 15:32:18 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283e1d26bb3f7f7698b4572
Keep drinking the Kool Aide! You will see Ayn Rand much sooner.
There are many examples where government is much more efficient than rapacious corporations despite what the Kool Aide induced vision shows.
Public power is almost always cheaper that private power. We are 20% cheaper than PG&E and the gap is widening. Arguments that public power is cheaper because they don't pay taxes is specious because almost all pay "payments in lieu of taxes".http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283e1bcecad04df7f8b4571Jim BubbWed, 13 Nov 2013 15:31:56 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283e1bcecad04df7f8b4571
The videos on youtube of the Navigators urging potential enrollees to lie and commit fraud on their applications are remarkable. We do, indeed, live in a complex multi-level fraudocracy.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283e0a46da8114c198b4569nimbus91Wed, 13 Nov 2013 15:27:16 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283e0a46da8114c198b4569
>this law is about reducing the cost of health care as a percentage of GDP.
Hmm, then I wonder why this super fantastic law has ZERO provisions that deal specifically with lowering medical costs. The medical monopolies and rip-off culture is alive and well with no costs reduced.
You really should chew your propaganda, samtastic, before swallowing it.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283df656da81126168b4568Downhill from hereWed, 13 Nov 2013 15:21:57 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283df656da81126168b4568
It's Article 1, Section 8, Clause 3 of the US Constitution. It's often called the Commerce Clause and it says that the Congress has the authority to regulate commerce with foreign nations and between the states. It does not have the authority to regulate commerce within states (like insurance). The way to fix it it to amend the Constitution.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283df086bb3f7ce698b456aheresy101Wed, 13 Nov 2013 15:20:24 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283df086bb3f7ce698b456a
Obamacare is and will continue to be a failure even though most Democrats won't admit that it is really Romneycare. Also, the Republican and insurance company's options are soooo much worse.
There is a simple 2 word solution to healthcare in the US that everyone but the insurance companies and ultra rich will like. Take the words "under 65" out of the Medicare act and impose a 9-11% tax on everyone (including the 1%) and a 5% sales tax on every stock transaction! Healthcare would be fixed and anyone could go to the doctor they wanted and not be bankrupted by all the huge co-pays of Obamacare. Check out HR676 for the law that will fix it all and pass the info on to your young and old relatives who can both benefit:
<a href="http://www.pnhp.org/publications/united-states-national-health-care-act-hr-676" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" >http://www.pnhp.org/publications/united-states-national-health-care-act-hr-676</a>http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283de456bb3f795678b456frednecks?Wed, 13 Nov 2013 15:17:09 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283de456bb3f795678b456f
Wasn't it a fraud based financial instrument from JP Morgan/Chase that destroyed JeffCo?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283ddde69beddfc1a8b456aor-at-leastWed, 13 Nov 2013 15:15:26 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283ddde69beddfc1a8b456a
Get them off all sugars and empty carbs; they'll live a long life.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283dd536da81139128b4568anonymouscowardWed, 13 Nov 2013 15:13:07 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283dd536da81139128b4568
"I assume thinks they’re doing the right thing, believes that the GOVERNMENT can do something more efficiently than the private sector"
Canadians in grand majority get their medical care at home are healthier, happier and live longer.
Almost as if a single payer solution is better...but nah John Gault says different.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283dd44ecad04bd748b4576pushbuttonchimpWed, 13 Nov 2013 15:12:52 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283dd44ecad04bd748b4576
My family has benefited directly from not having pre-existing conditions preventing them from having essential care, which in a couple of cases has saved their lives.
So yes, I do support the ACA. The implementation of the registration doesn't nullify the benefits the law brings.
My car insurance has changed over the years because of different factors, and requirements.
My life insurance changed over the years because of different factors.
The small amount of edge cases of people that lost their coverage is still not a reason to nullify the law. In most sane and rational cirlcles of thought we can solve that problem too.
I think it's important to try to apply logic and reason to a discussion.
The saddest part of all is that you had an opportunity to suggest a better alternative, and you didn't. You had an opportunity to promote Republicanism or Conservatism and why these concepts are even relevant in the 21st Century, and you didn't. Instead you belly ached, cried and whined like the little crybaby bitch you really are. FOAD.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283dd4369bedd0c1b8b4568sftommyWed, 13 Nov 2013 15:12:51 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283dd4369bedd0c1b8b4568
Insurers will freak out when:
1.) Healthcare dollars are spent on Healthcare and not CEO Salaries or Corporate Dividends.
2.) Healthcare is a Constitutional Right
3.) GOP gives up gouging America's sick in their favour
4.) Their cost controls that result in unnecessary death are made illegal!
5.) When Drs and Patients refuse to let them sit on in on [private medical exams
6.) Their boards of Directors are revealed as "Death Committees"
7.) When they have to hold a Bake Sale to raise funds for a loved ones cancer treatments
8.) When pharmaceutical companies price gouging is made criminal.
9.) When the Healthcare Americans deserve is delivered at honest prices
and the Final on D.L. top 10 list is
10.) When the million American march shows up at their Corporate headquarters demanding their blood money back!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283dcdf69bedd0f1b8b456blumanistic/clarityWed, 13 Nov 2013 15:11:11 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283dcdf69bedd0f1b8b456b
>What else could go wrong?
There are a lot of hidden agendas and intentions.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283db126bb3f776608b456cYepWed, 13 Nov 2013 15:03:30 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283db126bb3f776608b456c
Would you want to be insured with an insurance company who was broke?
Thought so. Because insuring more sick people than healthy people will break any insurance carrier - it is called actuary you know.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283da9469bedd39138b4569Mr. DoubtfulWed, 13 Nov 2013 15:01:24 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283da9469bedd39138b4569
Hilarious, excellent post, best one yet!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283d8d469beddc2128b4568maybe-getting-itWed, 13 Nov 2013 14:53:56 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283d8d469beddc2128b4568
As far as influencing the Nov 2014 election, A.C.A.'s success or failure will be huge. I'm wondering if the Dems are gong to go down with the ship they built or find a way to postpone everything....but maybe it's too late for that.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283d5cd6bb3f7a3578b4568YepWed, 13 Nov 2013 14:41:01 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283d5cd6bb3f7a3578b4568
Yep, it is very bad.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283d59cecad0431678b45701usernameWed, 13 Nov 2013 14:40:12 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283d59cecad0431678b4570
I love watching the destruction of our collective future expedited by our first African president. Brilliant! What else could go wrong?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283d4f56bb3f75a558b4568Redneck3 is retarded3Wed, 13 Nov 2013 14:37:25 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283d4f56bb3f75a558b4568
Hey moron - it was east coast Goldman Sachs international financiers who screwed Jefferson - your lies, like your party, are being exposedhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283d4a26da811d0758b456cLucius ModernusWed, 13 Nov 2013 14:36:02 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283d4a26da811d0758b456c
agree.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283d44c69beddf2078b456aDrew99GTWed, 13 Nov 2013 14:34:36 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283d44c69beddf2078b456a
Probably. The only option left is to have a convicted felon "navigator" sign you up. You can't make this shit up!
The Obama administration makes Mayberry look like a think tank.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283d42569bedd9c078b456aLucius ModernusWed, 13 Nov 2013 14:33:57 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283d42569bedd9c078b456a
and now we're standing here holding our healthy dick$ in our hands!
"change" they said. turns out they meant "give us your change"
ca-ching...http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283d3496da811f36f8b456cDrew99GTWed, 13 Nov 2013 14:30:17 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283d3496da811f36f8b456c
Don't worry, if the website still isn't working, you can have one of the convicted felon "navigators" sign you up.
LMFAO.
I didn't believe the right's allegations that all this ineptitude and weight on insurance companies is on purpose to usher in single payer, but maybe they are right. Obama's administration CAN'T be this incompetent.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283d2436da811d56f8b4568ClownFartWed, 13 Nov 2013 14:25:55 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283d2436da811d56f8b4568
40 million uninsured. Highest medical expenses in the entire world. #36 healthcare ranking in the world. You might want to check that regulation, cause it clearly isn't working.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283d166eab8ea9e268b456aClownFartWed, 13 Nov 2013 14:22:14 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283d166eab8ea9e268b456a
Giving the Insurance companies freedom to make up the costs is the worst idea possible. You'll be living in your car once they take your home for the outstanding medical bills. And don't forget 40 million people were not even insured with private healthcare.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283d03cecad04105e8b456aClownFartWed, 13 Nov 2013 14:17:16 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283d03cecad04105e8b456a
poor insurance companies. boo hoo! Looks like they're going to have to dip into those record profits they've been milking uot of this country for years. You'll have to excuse my lack of empathy for these corporations.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283cbd8ecad0414558b456dMichael SilvaWed, 13 Nov 2013 13:58:32 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283cbd8ecad0414558b456d
This is what blows my mind is when a person, who I assume thinks they’re doing the right thing, believes that the GOVERNMENT can do something more efficiently than the private sector. Are you kidding me? This law was NOTHING about making insurance cheaper. This law was designed to get rid of private insurance so there was just one payer, i.e. government, i.e. more dependency on government.
To call politics out right lying to everyone “marketing” is an insult to marketing. When someone or some company outright lies about a product capability and its features, gets sued or shut down by, guess who, the government. However, due to the great first amendment (freedom of political speech) politicians can say ANYTHING and not be sued for libel, slander, etc…But, the Founding Fathers put another great clause in there stating FREEDOM OF THE PRESS where the press was supposed to investigate and call the politicians out on their lies. But, with our weak press that has chosen to become a propaganda machine for the socialism and liberal democrats.
And, you’re “some will lose their insurance”, what do you consider some, one, two, and ten??? To me that “some”, however, when MILLIONS and MILLIONS are losing their insurance, that’s massive, not some.
You want medical cost to go down, get government out and allow medical insurance policies to be sold nationwide, not inter-state only and allow individuals to control who they use. Good example of medial cost going down and quality going up is laser eye surgery and cosmetic surgery. Both aren’t under HMO, but privately paid and due to competition and quality of medical equipment, cost has decreased.
Here’s a tip, the government isn’t the solution, and it’s the PROBLEM.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283cb91ecad0416578b4569Charles M.10Wed, 13 Nov 2013 13:57:21 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283cb91ecad0416578b4569
With the exception of the tech hipsters, the average 20 something person has gobs of student loan debt, taking home maybe 2k per mth., is paying rent, car payments, insurance etc. and does not have the money for ACA. Besides they are generally very healthy.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283caedecad0411558b456bJaydeeWed, 13 Nov 2013 13:54:37 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283caedecad0411558b456b
The rumored solution is for people to sign up through the individual insurances websites and have the subsidies flow through this backdoor method. The issue with this solution is that it would be illegal - the bill explicity states that subsidies are only available to enrollees through the state exchanges. There would undoubtedly be a court challenge in a similar vein as the one against the federal exchange.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283c768eab8ea77108b4568John 1066, Where Are You??!!Wed, 13 Nov 2013 13:39:36 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283c768eab8ea77108b4568
John,
Now would be an excellent time to remind everyone that anyone who doesn't favor Obamacare is a tool of the right wing, conservative elite -- oh, and they're racists, too!! Don't worry about logic, just use your usual ad hominem attacks to destroy these doubters!!
Please John, come out of your mother's basement and destroy these deniers!!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283c742ecad04114e8b456ekrypticWed, 13 Nov 2013 13:38:58 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283c742ecad04114e8b456e
Because one of the problems with the USA HI system was the junk insurance policies.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283c6f3ecad04a7478b456akrypticWed, 13 Nov 2013 13:37:39 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283c6f3ecad04a7478b456a
If you are low income and live in one of the 25 states with Medicaid expansion, you already have this option.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283c66969bedde1618b457fkrypticWed, 13 Nov 2013 13:35:21 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283c66969bedde1618b457f
So pay the trivial penalty and become a charity case if you get sick.
"Working out" doesn't protect you against most cancers, for example.
However it is totally irresponsible not to get your kids covered.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283bfd3eab8ea83038b456asamtasticWed, 13 Nov 2013 13:07:15 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283bfd3eab8ea83038b456a
This law is not about getting free health coverage this law is about reducing the cost of health care as a percentage of GDP. Some people are going to get screwed by this law for sure but the goal of the law is to reduce the health care cost to some sustainable level for the country. All this everyone will get covered, you can keep your insurance plan is marketing. Our current system has to be reformed because health care costs are growing to fast and taking up to much of our economy.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283bf476da811633a8b4568Sterling ArcherWed, 13 Nov 2013 13:04:55 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283bf476da811633a8b4568
You're half right. It was actually the bond swapping banks AND Rednecks (corrupt city officials) that destroyed Jefferson County. In the long run that whole sewer system debacle was actually good in stamping out how banks take advantage of cities nationwide. It has been going on for decades and that case shed a lot of light on how municipal projects are funded and then looted.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283bd636bb3f76c2a8b4568samtasiticWed, 13 Nov 2013 12:56:51 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283bd636bb3f76c2a8b4568
Why don't they just get rid of all the mandates and let insurers offer the same plans they did before. That would make more sense to me. Why would I want something better if it costs twice as much. Sure I could pay twice as much for my car but then I would have to move into it. Doesn't make sense to make insurance companies drop these plans.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283bbe06da811b0308b4569Redneck2Wed, 13 Nov 2013 12:50:24 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283bbe06da811b0308b4569
Do you want to sign up for a plan which is costing you double than what you had?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283bb9e69bedd134a8b456aLucius ModernusWed, 13 Nov 2013 12:49:18 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283bb9e69bedd134a8b456a
i admit you're right there. self-entitlement and the delusion of individualism, etc. it's like "giving to charity" and thinking that it somehow makes you more humanly connected to other people in a truly positive way as opposed to living like a better person and actually, well connecting with people. most charitable trusts i know are just money laundering machines, etc. people with BAs in liberal arts ARE enlightened...they just so happen to generally ONLY be enlightened to what they learned about liberal arts from the POV/bias of the institution they attended, etc. it's all funding and special interests. just funny how as one gets older and evolves one's positions on these issues, most find it somehow acceptable to just straight up sh*t on the actions of those who have not realized how the world is actually functioning yet. too much TV, i guess...http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283b81f6bb3f72d1d8b456aDownhill from hereWed, 13 Nov 2013 12:34:23 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283b81f6bb3f72d1d8b456a
Landrieu's bill is unconstitutional. The ACA was carefully crafted to get around commerce clause issues (remember the tax vs. fine argument). The federal government cannot pass a law that forces a company to offer a product or service for something that is regulated at the state level.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283b78f6bb3f7eb1c8b4568Sure they areWed, 13 Nov 2013 12:31:59 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283b78f6bb3f7eb1c8b4568
The end game to the far left is a single payer system, which the majority do not want. They will be heard from once the drama on Capitol Hill unfolds. Given the flexibility and knowledge of private industry as compared to fed programs, I imagine they can respond quickly to the private market needs.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283b78f6bb3f7021b8b4568Sure they areWed, 13 Nov 2013 12:31:59 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283b78f6bb3f7021b8b4568
The end game to the far left is a single payer system, which the majority do not want. They will be heard from once the drama on Capitol Hill unfolds. Given the flexibility and knowledge of private industry as compared to fed programs, I imagine they can respond quickly to the private market needs.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283b6f0eab8ea966e8b4568Michael SilvaWed, 13 Nov 2013 12:29:20 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283b6f0eab8ea966e8b4568
You forgot that going with the Dems allows them not to think or make those tough decisions in life. Think about it, they’re okay with people telling them what to eat, drink, drive etc…and then being told “be yourself, no one has the right to tell you how to live”. That’s the most ironic part of all of this. They tell Republicans don’t tell me how to live, but they have no problem telling everyone else how to live because they’re soooooo enlightened because they have a BA in Liberal Arts.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283b6416bb3f768188b4573Blame gameWed, 13 Nov 2013 12:26:25 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283b6416bb3f768188b4573
Wrong.
It was those pesky corporation outsourcing manufacturing jobs to Asia.
It was only then those socialist became a problem.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283b63fecad04812c8b4568amcynicWed, 13 Nov 2013 12:26:23 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283b63fecad04812c8b4568
The only Democrats pretending to give a shit about the websites problems and cancelled policies are the ones up for re-election next year. If they weren't up for re-election they wouldn't care like the rest of their party. Obama sure as hell doesn't care because he doesn't have to face the voters anymore. Which is why the WH has been reluctant to change the law. Politically this is a disaster for them, but in terms of the economics of the law, cancelled policies are how they make the law work. They intentionally wanted to drive people out of the individual insurance market and onto the exchanges where the young and healthiest will have to pay through the nose for coverage to subsidize the poorer and sicker patients. The law was designed to be a massive wealth transfer and these are the results.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283b6266da8112b1f8b456fLucius ModernusWed, 13 Nov 2013 12:25:58 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283b6266da8112b1f8b456f
and people like you deserve to have their opinions actually respected and the writing of legislation which could have this sort of affect on your life should be reflected in the drafting of such legislation.
these assholes are just at the end of their rope. who are they representing? people are waking up.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283b61becad047b2c8b4572Mr. DickmanWed, 13 Nov 2013 12:25:47 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283b61becad047b2c8b4572
There is also a phone number you can call to sign up. Is the phone broken too?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283b5966bb3f7ff1a8b4569Duh2Wed, 13 Nov 2013 12:23:34 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283b5966bb3f7ff1a8b4569
I predict that the administration will propose to allow those who lost their individual plans the ability to enroll in expanded Medicaid for a period of time, funded by the Feds. Politically, it would be a shrewd move, to deal with the short term political disaster and, longer term, to advance single payer.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283b436eab8ea5a678b4568Lucius ModernusWed, 13 Nov 2013 12:17:42 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283b436eab8ea5a678b4568
the "Obama supporters" are starting to realize they are owned by a much bigger machine than they ever imagined. not going w/ the GOP is easy these days, because it makes rational sense based on being a decent tolerant human being. not going w/ the Dems either is harder though, because they have like celebrities and Apple endorsements and shiny toys and stuff. way interesting...http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283b3c26bb3f76e188b456aLucius ModernusWed, 13 Nov 2013 12:15:46 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283b3c26bb3f76e188b456a
all the contractors "hired" by individual states are providing shitty "results" (as in, no results). it's a sham. contracts handed out behind secret need-to-know doors and we all pay the price. this is the bullshit of bureaucracy at its finest. can't wait to watch the people start to wake up, frankly. Dems really blew it on this one...http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283b3626bb3f74a168b456bMichael SilvaWed, 13 Nov 2013 12:14:10 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283b3626bb3f74a168b456b
Where are all the Obama supporters? Where are those that think all you have to do is keep printing money to pay for this? Oh, that's right; you're working that extra job at McDonald's to pay for all of it. Suckers! Maybe now you'll stop getting your political information from TMZ and the E! Network.
And, for you ill-informed masses that think that only the insurance companies are evil because, God forbid, they make a profit off, wait until you get declined for medical treatment. You youths think that this law as for “free” medical care and coverage for all. All this law was designed to do is eliminate the private sector and take control of 1/7th of the Nation’s economy. If you don’t think the government won’t ration medical services or deny coverage, you got a big surprise coming.
The democrats have you thinking that you need them (which you’ve bought) and that without medical insurance, you’ll die (guess what, that’s going to happen anyway). You young folks need to get some $%#$^$ and start being independent. Oh, you think you’re independent, but you rely on so many others to take care of you, it’s pathetic. Don’t you youngins’ want to leave the nest? I know you’re parents want you out.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283b35f6bb3f73e148b456eRedneck2Wed, 13 Nov 2013 12:14:07 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283b35f6bb3f73e148b456e
Shut up. You were supporting and promoting this disaster. Now look at those who lose their insurance and tell them: " I support this".http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283b358ecad040a288b456apaulitusWed, 13 Nov 2013 12:14:00 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283b358ecad040a288b456a
Young people are not going to sign up...ever.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283b3476bb3f7dd118b456aLucius ModernusWed, 13 Nov 2013 12:13:43 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283b3476bb3f7dd118b456a
the insurers SHOULD have their backs against the wall. they are running away w/ the profit here...problem is i see there being NO WAY they didn't see this coming and have loopholes up the a$$ and ace$ up their sleeves just laying in wait. will be interesting to see what happens. i am personally one of the healthy and young people whose rates have gone up about 3-4x what they used to be in order to "even it all out". not happy, but def happy that the shit is hitting the fan, as it were...http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283b26969beddc5378b456cpushbuttonchimpWed, 13 Nov 2013 12:10:01 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283b26969beddc5378b456c
The rollout of the ACA registration is a disaster, but even more of a disaster is the separation of the issues from the features of the law. The communication from the White House is the bigger disaster.
I think people who are benefiting from the law, with features like the elimination of pre-existing conditions, and other features, are making this law great. But the rollout is clouding the benefits.
Secondly, the registration is not going to register a single person with a government program, all the health care plans are PRIVATE HEALTH INSURANCE. So there should be more communication about how the program actually favors private "free market" participation, a banner topic with Republicans. This is actually their way of doing something like this, so they should actually be happy with the privatization aspects of the ACA. It's a bit disingenuous to be kicking something that they would support under any other administration.
If there is a really negative aspect to this, it is that if we were ever to roll into a single-payer, i.e. gumment "socialized" health care, this rollout will be used as an example of how single payer won't ever work. If our gumment can't get the privatized version to work, it raises questions as to whether we'll ever see single payer in this century.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283b1ddeab8eacb628b4568jtWed, 13 Nov 2013 12:07:41 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283b1ddeab8eacb628b4568
You ain't seen nothing yet!!! Wait 6-12 months from now..http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283b05c6da811160f8b4568ferretWed, 13 Nov 2013 12:01:16 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283b05c6da811160f8b4568
The fact is obama care was deliberately designed to wreck the health care industry and to destroy what little is left of the middle class and small business in america, this bill was written by the real gov the shadow , this bill is a trojan horse and was created to be a trojan horse.
Obama care in conjunction with the privately owned feds debasing destruction of the dollar and increasing the gov debt at the same time is also deliberately being done to destroy the economy to lay the ground work for the elites to bring in their global bank and currency and vat , but first they have to beat us down on all fours and then they will say they have the answer to the crisis they created.
All of this is being done by the elites in their drive for a new world order.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283b02f69bedd7c328b456cRedneck2Wed, 13 Nov 2013 12:00:31 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283b02f69bedd7c328b456c
Years ago, socialists destroyed Detroit.
Now, socialists destroy the whole USA.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283b02069beddef348b4568Aqua BuddaWed, 13 Nov 2013 12:00:16 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283b02069beddef348b4568
Look I am over 50 and I am not on any meds. I work out 5 days a week and I do not need the ACA.
"the more susceptible they are to insurance pools composed mostly of high-risk beneficiaries."
My 19 year will not be on the program so what did the government think that everyone was going to eat the additional expenses?
Dam somebody was and is "out to lunch"http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283b01fecad0437218b4568StromWed, 13 Nov 2013 12:00:15 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283b01fecad0437218b4568
Mary Landrieu's motivation behind her moronic bill are transparently obvious. She just wants to save her job. Merkley, on the other hand, is just a dull-witted retard.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283afe4eab8ea975d8b456cBHWed, 13 Nov 2013 11:59:16 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283afe4eab8ea975d8b456c
Insurers have been quiet because they already tightened their screws years ago.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283af526da811560c8b4569ParkasarecooljdWed, 13 Nov 2013 11:56:50 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5283af526da811560c8b4569
Everything is ok, the democrats said obamacare is a good deal. And I believe them. Obama 2016!