Molly B. - There are no written performance scores. This is an error that was carried over from the original instructor packet. The ISP agreed there is no written performance testing score and the live-fire qualification can be designated as pass/fail rather than a score. This is indicated in the official rules and regulations posted in the admin code on the JCAR website: http://www.ilga.gov/...310B00300R.html

2. Live Fire scores for each portion and overall score?

I thought Pass/Fail was all that was required.

Molly B. - see above

3. 'Copy of training certificate'

Are we now supposed to keep a copy of the certificates we issue, after being signed by the student and instructor?

Molly B. - No, the ISP is recommending instructors do this but it is not required. Instructors are to keep a copy of prior training certificates or CCLs, if you are giving credit for prior training.

4. Documenting proof of prior law enforcement training?

What is acceptable as proof?

When did it start being acceptable as 8 hours of credit?

What about those who have received their 40 hours of training but have not been hired yet?

Molly B. - Acceptable proof is a copy of their training certificate. This applies to former law enforcement and corrections officers. Currently employed are exempt from training.

Molly B. - Neither the Statute nor the administrative code specify this.For active duty members currently serving, I recommend instructors ask the member to retrieve the “Status Report Pursuant to the Servicemembers Civil Relief Act” available at this link:

This form is retrieved directly from the DoD Manpower Data Center. Alternatively, they can record the DoD Identification number. Instructors MUST NOT copy or scan the military identification card, however. That is illegal. Former military members should use the DD214 as proof of service and discharge status.

Edited by Molly B., 04 May 2018 - 08:21 PM.

Matt Wehland
Allguntraining.com NRA Firearms Instruction
Kankakee and Will County

3. 'Copy of training certificate'
Are we now supposed to keep a copy of the certificates we issue, after being signed by the student and instructor?

I believe this is for certificates of prior training submitted to you by the students for credit. I didn't see anywhere that we have to save copies of the certificates we issue to the students for the FCCL.

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3. 'Copy of training certificate' Are we now supposed to keep a copy of the certificates we issue, after being signed by the student and instructor?

I believe this is for certificates of prior training submitted to you by the students for credit. I didn't see anywhere that we have to save copies of the certificates we issue to the students for the FCCL.

The issue is that the Audit Checklist states-

'Copy of Training certificate that was issued upon successful completions of the course'.

That reads to me that it is the certificate that the Instructor issues.

There is also a separate checklist for prior training.

Molly thanks for the answers so far.

Matt Wehland
Allguntraining.com NRA Firearms Instruction
Kankakee and Will County

3. 'Copy of training certificate' Are we now supposed to keep a copy of the certificates we issue, after being signed by the student and instructor?

I believe this is for certificates of prior training submitted to you by the students for credit. I didn't see anywhere that we have to save copies of the certificates we issue to the students for the FCCL.

The issue is that the Audit Checklist states-

'Copy of Training certificate that was issued upon successful completions of the course'.

That reads to me that it is the certificate that the Instructor issues.

There is also a separate checklist for prior training.

Molly thanks for the answers so far.

Keep in mind the audit checklist and roster are recommended, not required. The requirements are listed in the official rules and regulation on the Administrative Code website:

c) The Department may, without providing prior notice, audit an Instructor's scheduled training for purposes of investigating allegations that an Instructor and/or curriculum is not in compliance with the Act and this Part.

1) To facilitate an adequate audit trail, instructors shall maintain all records to support any training certification as required by Section 75(f) of the Act, which shall include:

A) copies of training certificates currently accepted to satisfy the prior training credit submitted by students; and

(b] written training rosters that shall include:

i) instructor's name and CCT number;

ii) curriculum name and CCC number;

iii) student's full legal name;

iv) student's date of birth;

v) student's address;

vi) student's phone number;

vii) total hours attended, broken down to identify hours per topic covered as approved in Section 1231.40;

viii) pass/fail live fire qualification; and

ix) an indication of yes/no on issuance of ISP CCL training certificate, which shall serve as proof of completion of training.

"It does not take a majority to prevail ... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." --Samuel Adams

3. 'Copy of training certificate' Are we now supposed to keep a copy of the certificates we issue, after being signed by the student and instructor?

I believe this is for certificates of prior training submitted to you by the students for credit. I didn't see anywhere that we have to save copies of the certificates we issue to the students for the FCCL.

The issue is that the Audit Checklist states-

'Copy of Training certificate that was issued upon successful completions of the course'.

That reads to me that it is the certificate that the Instructor issues.

There is also a separate checklist for prior training.

Molly thanks for the answers so far.

You are correct, I missed that. This is a recommended practice but not required.

"It does not take a majority to prevail ... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." --Samuel Adams

Small rant: I started going over my 3 hour curriculum today to make sure I was in total compliance with ISP "recommendations". Items one and two of the renewal "recommendations" per the ISP certificate should require 3 hours. Those are the very same "recommendations" as items four and five on the 16 hour certificate that per the ISP should require 8 hours. This is from the same people that just sent instructors warnings not to shorten courses. Just how do they want me to teach the same segments in 3 hours in one class, but will take my certification away if I don`t use 8 hours (for the same material) in the 16 hour class.

My two hour legal will be just the highlights with no commentary. My handgun fundamentals will be short and sweet and only a reminder.
I have wondered why the state police want the statutes "defense of persons, dwelling and property" presented without case law that contradicts most of it. Are they intentionally setting up ccl holders for a fall?

My two hour legal will be just the highlights with no commentary. My handgun fundamentals will be short and sweet and only a reminder.I have wondered why the state police want the statutes "defense of persons, dwelling and property" presented without case law that contradicts most of it. Are they intentionally setting up ccl holders for a fall?

nah they just don't care - ISP wanted less than zero to do with this whole thing and tried to pawn it off on the guys who certify rent a cops who promptly said not only no but heyelllll no -

That said ISP has been pretty helpful with question and such but I think they're just not putting anymore effort into the program than they're required to

Edited by wtr100, 07 May 2018 - 12:02 PM.

Have your musket clean as a whistle, hatchet scoured, 60 rounds powder and ball and be ready to march at a minute's warning