What do you suggest we do about it? Do you think this is a permanent trend?

Not quite permanent but ongoing for the foreseable future unless we change our ways. I am an optimistic person but with climate change I am
pessimistic because of the all too obvious denial not just of climate science but of actual science itself. The problem is once it gets to the
point where even the most stubborn politicians implement change it will be far too late. There is lag in the system which means it will take 2 or 3
decades to see the change. Look at the Ozone hole, recovering now but the changes were implemented 30 years ago.

NB it won't be permanent because at some point the climate will have changed that much that the consequences for the human race will be devastating
and we will stop affecting the climate because we cant!!!

You bring up that graph on a thread about NASA temperature records . When ever I see a hockey stick graph I get suspect , being a Canadian and all .
First thing is that NASA only has about a 30 year record . Another thing is that temperature records using a thermometer are quite recent as well .
Seeing that graph goes way back we can only assume it has some kind of proxy associated with it .

Mike Mann is famous for his hockey stick graph that he cherry picked a time frame on his proxy tree rings and then stitched a modern temperature
record to it without informing anyone in the paper . Steve McIntyre at climate audit found out what he did and that hockey stick is history . It
doesnt stop with Mike Mann because he also keeps his eye on the pea and newer papers are showing the same kind of tricks and data torture
climateaudit.org...

So thinking that NASA produced that chart is silly . They didn't have a satellite back then and proxies have a ton of problems and are not very
reliable . The tree rings seem to diverge and there are other factors beside heat for the width of tree rings ... Climate audit is the go to to
understand most of the issues as they have some very smart cookies doing the math . climateaudit.org...

I know. It's bizarre how people point out time periods before human civilization was a thing. Yes, I understand the Earth is billions of years old,
but human civilization ISN'T and it is FAR more fragile.

Priorities! It's possible an older generation needs to pass on before there's a stronger consensus for making the effort to reduce the rising temps.
Yeah I say 'effort' because it's not a guarantee is it?

Unforeseen consequences

You may be right, but I really wish this wasn't the case. Because if we wait until then (especially with people living longer and longer all the time)
it may be WAY too late. What with the delay in government policies taking effect and all. So that's another 30 years on top of whenever those old
people die off. We may be looking at the middle of the century by then.

Its been on fire for a long, long time.
At this point in time, the cause is irrelevant.
Coming up with a viable defense, even if its weak, unsustainable or unsuccessful.
People are learning what will and will not work.
It is totally impossible to overhaul or rearrange the entire world's infrastructure.
Therefore alternative methods had to be designed and put in place.

You bring up that graph on a thread about NASA temperature records . When ever I see a hockey stick graph I get suspect , being a Canadian and all .
First thing is that NASA only has about a 30 year record . Another thing is that temperature records using a thermometer are quite recent as well .
Seeing that graph goes way back we can only assume it has some kind of proxy associated with it .

Mike Mann is famous for his hockey stick graph that he cherry picked a time frame on his proxy tree rings and then stitched a modern temperature
record to it without informing anyone in the paper . Steve McIntyre at climate audit found out what he did and that hockey stick is history . It
doesnt stop with Mike Mann because he also keeps his eye on the pea and newer papers are showing the same kind of tricks and data torture
climateaudit.org...

So thinking that NASA produced that chart is silly . They didn't have a satellite back then and proxies have a ton of problems and are not very
reliable . The tree rings seem to diverge and there are other factors beside heat for the width of tree rings ... Climate audit is the go to to
understand most of the issues as they have some very smart cookies doing the math . climateaudit.org...

The lack of reliable and precise temperature measures beyond the past 50 or 100 years is the first thing that jumped into my mind when I saw that
graph. To say we know precise temps going back 1000 years is comical. Sure, we might have an idea but no one knows with the level of precision that
we would have today. They'd have to come up with some kind of proxy to smooth the dataset. You'd really have to see the underlying assumptions to
know if the graph is even directionally correct. Just because it is from NASA doesn't mean the underlying data and assumptions are valid.

Problem is we'll hold on to the status quo until it's much too late.
Netherlands plan to ban petrol and gas cars in
2025, the fact that they
call it too radical shows how stupid we collectively are. It's too little too late. Even in a best case scenario by 2025 we will have arrived at a
more than 5°C average warming.
That's deadly to most plants, sea and land animals.
So yeah enjoy the next 5-10 years, because after that...

These are from the linked site so members don't have to click any links...

How is Today’s Warming Different from the Past? Earth has experienced climate change in the past without help from humanity. We know about past
climates because of evidence left in tree rings, layers of ice in glaciers, ocean sediments, coral reefs, and layers of sedimentary rocks. For
example, bubbles of air in glacial ice trap tiny samples of Earth’s atmosphere, giving scientists a history of greenhouse gases that stretches back
more than 800,000 years. The chemical make-up of the ice provides clues to the average global temperature.

Based on all the available evidence Earth goes through spikes and troughs of varying temperatures. Up and down and up and down. They have typically
taken about 5000 years to change by 5 degrees. On current projections that 5 degrees could become 6 degrees and occur in the next 80 years...NOT over
5000 years.

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