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Does anyone know if there are any exceptions for military that law enforcement get in regards to regular AR-15. Sorry if this has been answered but I looked and didn’t find anything addressing this. Thanks.

George – You would not be building a “real” M4, but a 16″ barrel AR-15. I bought my Stag Arms AR-15 complete from lanworldinc.com and it came complete CA legal with a bullet button and a 10 round mag. It was shipped directly to Bob an FFL in Sacramento – Snellings Firearms.

I live in the Central Valley and no one around here wants to mess with the AR type rifles. Bob used to work for the DOJ so he can be a great asset if you have any questions.

As for buying an AR-15 from a dealer in CA, they will not sell you one that is not converted to be CA legal if you are buying the whole rifle. In other words, you cannot buy an AR-15 and then convert it to be CA legal; it will be CA legal before you take possession of it.

George: If you would like to receive the OLL lower in around a week I would suggest that you go online to Lanworld.inc and order a stag lower from Chris. All my ARs I’ve bought from him and had them shipped to my local FFL. I’ve pasted a link to Lanworld and the price of the Tactical complete lower with adjustable stock. Now remember you have to add the cost of the CA kit ($50.00) with the Bullet button and not a Prince 50 mag lock. Besure to tell Chris that or you may end up with a mag lock and you’ll have to load by opening the upper off the lower. The kit includes a 10 rd mag, BB or ML and an extended take down pin. Chris will install all this on your lower so it’s ready for your upper of your choosing. Shipping is around $20.00 so you’re looking at just around $323.00 with out transfer fees and dros. The transfer and dros will be charge by your local FFL. Now if you would like a complete rifle you can get a stag model 3 out the door for just about $923.00 without the transfer and dros. It’s your choice. I have a stag model 3 and its a nice rifle. If you go to comment #29 you’ll see it, it’s the 2nd from the left. It’s a flat top so you can fix it with what ever optics, you want. Chris will do you right and he is fantastic to work with. Best of luck.

George, there are differences between the 5.56 NATO and .223, but hardly any. Since you are looking for an upper here’s a pertinent tip: A 5.56 upper will shoot a .223. However, the reverse is not true; a .223 upper will not shoot a 5.56 round. To be on the safe side, look for a 5.56 upper or get an upper with the Wylde chamber. The Wylde chamber will shoot both just OK.

George: there are many websites that offer optics some to name a few
Lanworldinc.
Midwayusa
Sportmans Guide
Cheaper Than Dirt
USAOptics.net
IF you just goggle your topic you’ll find a lot of information. Most manufacturers of firearms off it on their websites

Argh, kills me when I hear the term “assault weapons”,from now on, let us not call AR or even AK “assault weapons”, they can be called tactical rifles at its worse. We are seeing “sporting” rifles in AR form more and more from many firearm companies, such as Remington that now produces a AR style rifle dedicated to hunting, and precision AR’s are taking the center stage in competitive shoots, its getting harder to really think of them in “assault weapon” terms.

Owners of AR’s or AK’s really don’t refer to our rifles as AW’s. That’s the medias hipe for describing them. Remember main stream media are supporting gun ocntrol and don’t want us to have these types of firearms.

George: If you are really serious about building an CA legal rifle with an OLL I strongly suggest that you go to calguns.net and check out the forums. There are tons of information regarding building, or buying complete rifles. All you have to do is use the search button.

First let me say Hi and thank you for the information. I just moved to California from Indiana so I’m still trying to figure out what exactly is legal. After reading this forum and part 1 of this forum I have a much better Idea, thank you, but I still have a few questions and if my questions were answered earlier and I missed them then I apologize.

1. I saw were POF was a licensed HK manufacturer but I didn’t see any thing about the actual HK 416 lowers are they oll or did someone manage to get them on the list?

2. this has to do with POF’s piston upper. I the piston system the one same as the one that HK devoloped or is it a similar one that uses HK parts?

It is very helpful and reading through it took a little while but it was worth it…

I want anyone who reads this to understand that keeping and using firearms is just as important to our basic inalienable rights as freedom of speech, freedom of press, religion, assembly, etc.

I was in Mexico this past week and there were a couple shootouts near where I was staying and a crazy messed up guy driving his tow truck at 60 miles an hour through my in-laws quiet neighborhood. Then he met up with some angered kids and shots were fired one block away. I already burried one in law from a revenge shootout right accross the street in 97. This shooting resulted in one kid going to the hospital but surviving.

I was not able to bring any protection with me to Mexico, so we cowered behind the bed hoping shots would not come sailing through the walls!!!
When you are driving anyone can cut you off or slam their brakes to make you almost crash, and the treachery goes on and on…why?

Criminals and the lawless know that they can do what they want and the citizens are subject to their bad wreckless behavior.

Now I am back in California and although it is tough knowing that my rights are being taken away…I can still go out and buy something that could protect me if I needed it.

Obama and Biden will soon be eliminating this right, so all this to say, get your protection while you still can, dark days are ahead, when the U.S. starts to look and function like Tijuana Mexico, then you will wish you had built a Kali Legal AR……………….

I operate a business that has an FFL Licensee within it. I’m not a stocking gun store but vintage weapons is one of the things I handle. I looked into AR and AK “Cal” legal weapons and chatted with the Cal DOJ with the following results: They repeat what the comments refer to as “They are not Attorneys” and haven’t determined these available variants are “illegal” but it is obvious they are part of the group of weapons listed as AK and AR “Assault Weapons” whether or not they are modified to visually comply with California Assult Weapons Laws. The California Regs are what they are and the Label “INSANE” is best applied to the crazy’s who used a full automatic assualt weapon last Month in California hitting a number of people and killing one. All this chatter is for one purpose; getting your hands on a “Machine Gun” legally in California…. Until the law changes and California falls in line with the Brady Ban Expiration, our choice is to not handle these CA Assualt Weapons Type receivers or Long Guns. Robert

I operate a business that has an FFL Licensee within it. I’m not a stocking gun store but vintage weapons is one of the things I handle. I looked into AR and AK “Cal” legal weapons and chatted with the Cal DOJ with the following results: They repeat what the comments refer to as “They are not Attorneys” and haven’t determined these available variants are “illegal” but it is obvious they are part of the group of weapons listed as AK and AR “Assault Weapons” whether or not they are modified to visually comply with California Assault Weapons Laws. The California Regs are what they are and the Label “INSANE” is best applied to the crazy’s who used a full automatic assault weapon last Month in California hitting a number of people and killing one. All this chatter is for one purpose; getting your hands on a “Machine Gun” legally in California…. Until the law changes and California falls in line with the Brady Ban Expiration, our choice is to not handle these CA Assault Weapons Type receivers or Long Guns. Robert

When I first started looking into CA. legal OLL’s I came to this site for information. Since then I have moved on to calguns.net. Anyone who needs to know more information, I refer you to calguns.net. Calguns has the most up to date information regarding OLL’s and firearm information.

I am going to buy an AR before they ban them. If they do ban them I will just keep it in my closet and go shooting at my friends farm where nobody will see me. I follow the laws and don’t speed so I’ll be alright. But I also enjoyed reading this thanks for the info. Eric I also live in Modesto but am moving to Manteca in 2 weeks. Also is the ammo 5.56 strong what is it equivalent to handgun wise?

i live in ca, and i have been looking for a legal ar 15,one with all the features w/ a bullet button. i found plenty of firearm dealers that sell complete ar 15 , that are already modified w/the bb. so if arms dealers are allowed to sell these ar’s , they must be completely legal….right ?

im sorry if my question above has already been answered, but i just want to be absolutely sure that im legal when i purchase my ar.i have been looking at several different makes of the ar, and they all look very nice,but which company would you recommended to get an ar from,i saw a stag that i wanted,do they make a reliable ar.i want to say thank you to lee and everyone else that volunteers info on this forum.

Ok let’s talk about “AR” style rifles. Being one that owns 6 currently and is in the process of building my 7th I’ll give you my thoughts on your questions and comments. First lets start with Felix, if a AW ban should ever come again and you have an firearm that is listed on the ban list either by name or description, you will most likey be required to register that firearm as an AW. Don’t think by just hiding in a closet you will be OK. If you fail to register you will be a felon. This is not worth it. No only will you go to jail, be fined, loose your firearm, you will be prohibited from EVER owning another firearm if caught…… Comparing a rifle round such as the 5.56 to a hand gun round is a lttle difficult as you would have to look at ft per second and muzzle velocity. Remember 5.56/.223 are both a 22 caliber. The difference is the amount of powder. The 5.56 is loaded to higher charge. Barrels speced for a .223 should not be used with 5.56 ammo. However a barrel speced for a 5.56 can shoot a .223.

Neil, to answer your question is “yes”, however depending on the LEO and the local DA you could have your “legal” rifle confiscated. Then bear the cost of trying to get it back and any court costs. Now I don’t want to scare you the chances of this happening is getting slimmer by the minute. Todate there is estimated over 100,000 OLL firearms in CA.
Regarding Stag rifles they make some real nice rifles. I own two Stags and haven’t had any issues with them. Now there are more expensive ones out on the market and there are some that most agree on to stay away from. With the way things are now all dealers are in short supply and lead times are running 20-25 weeks for a Stag. If you have a FFL that has one on the floor I would suggest you buy it. You may pay a premium for it but you’ll have it. Another way is to go online and try to find a someone selling one who will sell it in CA. A lot of people from outside CA. refuse to deal with us due to the new laws and FFL check process.

Finally, if you all are serious about owning one, I suggest you go to CA DOJ website, print out a copy of CA firearm laws and read it to the point that you understand it. Then log on to calguns.net and read the forum posts. Should you have any questions use the search feature. Join the NRA, and become a strong supporter of the Second Amendment and RKBA. If we let the anti’s get away with another ban it is our own fault for not standing up. As the next ban will have no sunset. Just my 2 cents.

Hello all, thanks for all the great information. Does anyone know of FFL dealers in Los Angeles County that will do an OLL transfer if I buy it from the internet. I tried some in my area and they all refused.

Stevo, there are many different manufacturers out there. First off what do you want to do with your rifle and what do you want your rifle to do for you? Do you just want to be tacticool or use it for varmint, coyote or paper shooting? What is your budget for one? Ask yourself these questions and let us know so we can direct you in the right direction. What is your location?

Stevo: Well I’m not completely up on the New Hampshire firearms laws since I’m in California. If you have no restrictions like what we have California, the world of firarms is your play ground. That being said everyone judges all AR design firearms to Colts. Colts are the holy grail of AR’s. A upper with a 1/7 twist chrome lined barrel with M4 feed ramps and reciever are the way to go. Lowers really don’t play any part in accuracy with exception to the trigger group. If you go with a standard lower with a standard trigger group you may want to look at getting a Timney 3 or 4 pound drop in trigger which will improve your accuracy.

Colts do demand a premium price. The Stags are a good working mans AR design. If you go with the Stag Model 3 which is a flat top upper model you can adapt it to all kinds of optics. For long shots you’ll want optics to assist in target identification.

I read and I built. I give alot of thanks to the Calguns network for the information. I took my “Longrifle” to the range to see how it shot and was disappointed. Does anyone know if there is a gunsmith near manteca that works on our type rifles? Im having an issue with the Bolt carrier group binding up when the upper and lower are put together. Once it is bound, I can take the rear takedown pin out and it will action forward. I notice that when I do this the upper and lower separate by about a credit card thickness and it will work fine but when the rear takedown pin is in, the rifle is too “tight” and the BCG will bind up again. So, long story short, im looking for a gunsmith to fix it, possibly by reworking the pin or the hole.

Hey Joe, sounds like you don’t have the BCG oiled enought. However, give a call to Sierra Arms on Carpenter in Modesto and ask for David Lake. He use to own the shop but sold it to his brother and a friend. David still does some gunsmith work for them and he is very knowledgable on AR’s. He may or may not work on them anymore.

Thanks for the info I will look him up. I’ve drenched the thing in oil until its seeping from the seems! haha.

BTW. For those of you still on the fence, I built mine to look like my M-4 from overseas. I have the Bullet Button installed with all “evil” features. Took it to the local sportsman range and absolutely no problems at all from anyone about it.

Hey Joe, yeah the Sportsman over in Manteca is OLL friendly. A group of us calgunners are going down to Panoche Hills for a pinata shoot this Saturday. Should have lots of tannerite to have fun with. You’re welcomed to show up and do some shooting. Bring you rifle who knows one of us just might know what is wrong with it once we see it in action.

Bob,
I don’t want to offend you, as I have read through the past postings you have presented. I’m looking to add a AR-15 to my collection. California regulations are very confusing and I need to see if you could offer some recommendations. I’m fine with the Bullet Lock Requirements and products Lee offers for CA compliance, but what is the best way to work around the other issues and Black List? The Rifles I’m looking at are the AR-Tactical, Colt LE6920 or Olympic Car-15 (Pre-Ban) These are some CA options that caught my attention on GunsAmerica.com. I also checked out your suggestion to CalGuns.net. My needs are Tactical Farm Varmint use and I ask for your advice and recommendations on a CA FFL that can assist.

My Questions Are:
Can I purchase a Non-CA, ship to a CA FFL and convert to CA?
Purchase components and assemble in CA?
What Brands are best for my needs in CA if I purchase complete?
What are the registration and FFL needs if I purchase from a private party?

Brandon, I know this question is for Bob, but let me chime in on your questions:

1. No, you cannot purchase a Non-CA rifle and send to an FFL, unless it is already CA legal. It must already be converted to be CA legal.
2. You can purchase components and build it to be CA legal, as long as the parts are legal in CA (i.e. cannot order Listed Lowers, Silencer, 30 round mags, etc.)
3. Check out http://www.lanworldinc.com and talk to Chris. I purchased a rifle and complete lower from him and was happy. It will be CA legal when it arrives and his prices are reasonable.
4. Never had done a private party purchase, but the seller will just have to send to your FFL; make sure you contact your FFL first to coordinate. You’ll pay your DROS Fees – about $50 -, fill out some paperwork for background check, and after 10 days you can pick up your rifle. As for paying the seller, that is entirely up to you and the seller i.e. Money Order, Cash, PayPal, Gold Nuggets, Special Favors…. and I’ll leave it at that.

Brandon, oh believe me you did not offend me with your lack of understanding of CA Firearm Laws. Lets get right to your questions.
Q. Can you purchase a non-CA, ship to a CA ffl and convert to CA.
A. If its listed No, No ffl is going to take a chance of losing their license to sell or dros you one that is listed, No, anyone of the non listed rifles must have a Bullet Button or Mag Lock Device to be CA compliant if you have any of the evil features.
Q. Purchase componenets and assemble in CA.
A. Only if not listed.
What brands are best for my needs in CA if I purchase complete.
A. What is you budget? Several good brands available, i.e. Stag,Spikes, S&W.
Q. What are the registrations and ffl need if I purchase from a private party.
A. Registration is not required, dros is required. Must be CA legal no matter what you purchase and bring into CA.

SAN DIEGO PAYS $35,000, AGREES TO FINDING OF FACTUAL INNOCENCE FOR IMPROPER “UNLOADED OPEN CARRY” ARREST

San Carlos CA (September 29, 2010) – The City of San Diego will pay $35,000 to gun rights activist Samuel Wolanyk for his improper arrest. The San Diego Police Department also granted Mr. Wolanyk’s petition for a Finding of Factual Innocence, admitting no reasonable cause for his arrest existed.

The lawsuit – financially supported by The Calguns Foundation, Inc., and brought by attorney Jason Davis of Davis & Associates – sought to ensure San Diego properly trains its officers to deal with law-abiding gun owners.

“We do not encourage Unloaded Open Carrying of firearms in urban areas at this time,” said Gene Hoffman, Chairman of The Calguns Foundation. “But we believe the civil rights of gun owners must be defended to the utmost.”

Nearly two years ago, “open carry” activist Wolanyk wound up looking down the barrels of two police handguns when San Diego Police officers Jody Kinsley and Troy White responded to a call of a man wearing a kilt, with a holstered gun, in San Diego’s Mission Beach area. The officers immediately exited their vehicles on arrival at the location, drew their firearms, and ordered Mr. Wolanyk to the ground.

The officers quickly determined the firearm was unloaded, had no magazine in it, with no round in the chamber, and was thus in full compliance with California law. The firearm was unloaded even though Mr. Wolanyk did separately possess loaded magazines carried in an additional pouch attached to his belt (a completely lawful activity).

Until that day, these officers had never heard of the burgeoning Unloaded Open Carry movement, in which persons entitled to possess firearms exercise their right to lawfully carry unloaded, holstered handguns (though some onerous geographic limitations do apply). One other key legal restriction on open carry in California law also exists: people must give up their Fourth Amendment rights and submit to law enforcement examination of the firearm to determine if it’s loaded. In Wolanyk’s case, however, the officers weren’t performing a loaded firearm examination; in the officers’ minds, they were responding to a “man with a gun” call and acting accordingly.

After San Diego Police Sergeant David Kries arrived at the scene, Mr. Wolanyk had hoped the officers’ errors would be competently rectified and he would then be free to go. But Sgt. Kries showed he too didn’t understand California’s complex gun laws, and arrested Mr. Wolanyk for carrying a “loaded” firearm – in direct conflict with both prior case law (People v. Clark) and common sense, which requires ammunition to be in a position from which it can be fired in order for a firearm to be considered loaded. Mr. Wolanyk was taken to San Diego Police headquarters, where it was determined that he violated no law. Two hours later, Wolanyk was back at Mission Beach with Officer Kinsley handing him back his firearm and ammunition. Neither an apology nor an explanation of why the Department hadn’t properly trained their officers was provided.

“If they’d just apologized and said that they would look into training their officers on how to deal with law-abiding gun owners, I would not have felt compelled to file my lawsuit,” said Mr. Wolanyk. “It’s really about public safety for everyone, including those lawfully carrying firearms.”

Now, not only has San Diego paid Mr. Wolanyk for their actions, but they have since supplemented their training as well.

The rise of the Unloaded Open Carry movement in San Diego and Wolanyk’s arrest caught the attention of California Assemblywoman Lori Saldaña, whose proposed “fix” to police training deficiencies was instead to draft a bill taking away the ability to “UOC”. Saldaña’s proposed “Open Carry” ban failed passage this legislative term, but is nearly certain to reemerge this next term.

As long as Unloaded Open Carry activities are lawful, San Diego Police Officers and other law enforcement agencies will have to respect the civil rights of these law-abiding citizens.