originally posted by: spirit_horse
So where does the suicide bombing come from? The terrorists sure seem to think they are going straight to paradise for doing it and killing innocent
women and children.

Not from Islam.

And beyond the scope of this thread.

Having a religion doesn't guarantee freedom from corruption, as history tells us. The Catholic Church has killed more people than any religion on
earth, possibly any organization in history.

I don't dispute anything you said. I just didn't understand why the suicide bombers believe they will go to paradise for doing so. There are people of
all walks of life and culture that are murderers. If I was going to blow myself up to kill people I wouldn't say or believe I would be going to
paradise for doing so. I understand that people cherry pick different scriptures and act out using that as their justifiable reasoning.

I recall the christian Army of God assassin killing abortion providers and using religion wrongly as an excuse or justification. The Inquisition as
well. I know the terrorists use certain Islamic sources as their wrong justification. It just seems more widespread today and more akin to the
widespread use of religion for justification for the Inquisition. That is why I mentioned before about reformation. I believe the Jewish and Christian
religion has gone through a reformation and today is much more ok with other religions and people. I believe Islam needs reformation. If they want to
live in western nations they can't treat people like they do if your not one of them. Again, I know many muslims that are great people and have
assimilated in western civilizations. I think that muslims born and raised in the west are much more civilized that those coming out of certain parts
of Africa and certain M.E. nations.

ETA: And I know the OT had some very violent parts. The NT is less so, but again Jesus said he didn't come to change the law. Therefor the law about
stoning and various laws in the OT were not rescinded in the NT. I haven't read the Quran but for a very few passages. So, I can't speak to what it
says. I would imagine it also has the same kind of stuff which the wrong people can take out of context and use it as justification. There is one
difference in the use of other texts such as the Hadith. I wonder if those texts also have the same kind of language which the thread is
discussing?

As I understand it these suicide bombers are the equivalent of an MK Ultra, Manchurian candidate type of life, programmed since birth to believe that
their purpose is to die for ''God" and they don't have much exposure to the outside world.

They are told of paradise and that you will receive 72 virgins, though I have three English Qur'ans and they all say one suitable mate.

All you need to do is imagine the same thing being done with the Bible to justify slavery, except neither justify slavery or murder/suicide.

It's no different. The corruption is in spite of Islam, not because of it. The Middle East needs Islam, it doesn't need war. And as long as the
world allows corrupt regimes and tyrrany it will be this way. If the world focused on the leaders of the organizations causing the trouble instead of
drone strikes on civilians we might see the problem fixed.

Thanks for that. I ordered an English version of the Quran last night. Time to read the text myself. I was shot with a 12ga 00 mag buck shot in the
neck and back of my head. I had 17 major surgeries over it and I don't know how exactly as I was on life support for two weeks, but I remember
clearly a doctor saying to me I needed to learn the "Five Pillars of Islam" in a moment of deranged consciousness between the first two trauma
surgeries. I had a total of 23 major surgeries from other accidents and died twice in the process. Someone wants me here. I have read the entire bible
in the past. I took a course on world religions in college, but that was 30 years ago. I want to read the Quran myself. It is hard to discuss or have
a real picture of Islam when I don't really have a good understanding of it. Thanks for the discussion. You finally motivated me to read the Quran.

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