mirror93 wrote:The thoughts that You are aware of right now are the only thoughts you can possibly have....

I know that I have thoughts of which I am unaware. I often seek them out to become aware of them. If they did not exist, I would not find them, but I do find them which means they existed before I was aware of them.

Of course Gord , the mental process goes on even when you are not there. They are not your thoughts exclusively it is just a pool of thought, better still consciousness.

No, when I leave the room, I take all my thoughts with me.

That maybe the case in your waking state but it does not apply to your state of deep sleep, in that state all is forgotten, including the bearded Gord!

placid wrote:So according to your logic. The evidence of your existence is found at the passport office. Is that the best evidence you can up with?

No Placid. There is also the Birth Deaths and Marriages registry, and many other forms of evidence. Do you want a list?

Placid gets confused again.

placid wrote:So you are informed by the passport office that you do exist, because it says so on your passport.

No you complete moron. I had to go to the passport office to collect my passport to let other people know who I am, when overseas. I already know I exist.

placid wrote:Except there is no you in that passport is there?

No you complete moron. I'm the bloke holding up my passport at immigration. You have never been overseas have you?

placid wrote:Which one is really you?

The small square booklet thing is the passport. The tall human, holding the passport is me.

How many bongs did you pull before making this post?

I've never smoked anything in my life. I've never felt the need to distort reality, I prefer reality exactly how it appears to be as it is...wanting it to be any different is a pointless pursuit. Just how can one escape from what is by wanting it to be what it isn't, how is that even possible?

You can't just say there is such a thing as you on top of you talking. That is supposition. It's a recording of you. The you that you think exists can only exist in a recorded image of you.That's the only place you know yourself to exist. You only exist in a memory, there is no recording of you in the immediate moment, you cannot out run the speed of happening.

A recording is not your real self. The real self is before you know you are. You cannot find yourself in a recording, you exist before you know you exist. You are the unknown looker looking at your recorded image known. You are the image of the imageless.

And that's who you are, you are the one that cannot find yourself simply because you already are what you are looking for, what you are looking at is what's looking.

You cannot out run the speed of happening by trying to take a peek up your own skirt. It just doesn't work like that.

Stop smoking the bong, that smoke is distorting your vision. To see clarity, you first have to remove the smoke.

mirror93 wrote:The thoughts that You are aware of right now are the only thoughts you can possibly have....

I know that I have thoughts of which I am unaware. I often seek them out to become aware of them. If they did not exist, I would not find them, but I do find them which means they existed before I was aware of them.

Of course Gord , the mental process goes on even when you are not there. They are not your thoughts exclusively it is just a pool of thought, better still consciousness.

No, when I leave the room, I take all my thoughts with me.

That maybe the case in your waking state but it does not apply to your state of deep sleep, in that state all is forgotten, including the bearded Gord!

placid wrote:And that's who you are, you are the one that cannot find yourself simply because you already are what you are looking for, what you are looking at is what's looking.

So I'm a key? I'm trying to find my keys right now, are they looking for me too?

No you are not a key, you are the awareness of key, your own imagined creation.

The I am is not-a thing imagined. It is.

Not-a-thing is looking at the world of things. Things are appearances of the not-a-thing dreamer dreaming it is a thing.

The I am is awareness aka not-a-thing aware of the key.. but cannot know itself as the key, it can only know itself as the awareness of the key. Awareness is the experiencing, the key is the experience.

placid wrote:And that's who you are, you are the one that cannot find yourself simply because you already are what you are looking for, what you are looking at is what's looking.

So I'm a key? I'm trying to find my keys right now, are they looking for me too?

No you are not a key, you are the awareness of key, your own imagined creation.

The I am is not-a thing imagined. It is.

Not-a-thing is looking at the world of things. Things are appearances of the not-a-thing dreamer dreaming it is a thing.

The I am is awareness aka not-a-thing aware of the key.. but cannot know itself as the key, it can only know itself as the awareness of the key. Awareness is the experiencing, the key is the experience.

I receive the reflected light in my eyes that forms an image in my retina which I perceive with my brain its shapes and forms to be of the key that will open the door.awareness, definition: knowledge or perception of a situation or factSo, I have knowledge or perception of a key, that is in front of me. I'm aware that this is a key.It isn't an imagined creation, it is IN FRONT of me, I can imagine it to be an apple or a pea, it won't change the fact that it's my key, and it's in front of me.

I am ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶ aware ̶n̶e̶s̶s̶ of the keyI'm aware of the key that I see in front of me thanks to the reflected light that is external and outside of me.

mirror93 wrote:So, I have knowledge or perception of a key, that is in front of me. I'm aware that this is a key.It isn't an imagined creation, it is IN FRONT of me,

There is no key separate from that which is aware of key.There is no person being aware of a key in front of them, that is a misnomer.

The key is not in front of you. It is a projection of you..appearing as if separate from you.The projector is with or without a key, but there can never be a key without the projector, because the key is simply a projection of the projector. It's a creation of itself as projected.

No person is aware. A person is a dreamt character in the dreamer AWARENESS which cannot know itself as the character in the dream, it can only know itself as the awareness of the character in the dream inseparable from the dreamer dreaming the character.

The I am is the unknown dreamer (awareness) dreaming it is a thing (the object known)... without an object to relate to I am nothing. I relate only to what I am, and I am all things and not-a-thing.

mirror93 wrote: It's important to distinguish utterly unaware (fainting,sleep, dead) from utterly aware (awake and aware of the enviroment and what is happening),

And who would do that?

In a dream, how do you know what's one thing and what's another?

Nothing can separate from itself...any distinguishing is purely within the dream of separation...In the absolute sense there is no dividing line between seer and seen, knower and known, sleep and awake, night and day, consciousness and unconsciousness.

placid wrote: Nothing can separate from itself...any distinguishing is purely within the dream of separation...In the absolute sense there is no dividing line between seer and seen, knower and known, sleep and awake, night and day, consciousness and unconsciousness.

Do you speak to people that way at work, family reunions, parties, or the grocery store?

placid wrote:You are not the reflection in the mirror...you are the mirror.

Nah, I'm the guy looking at the mirror. If I were the mirror, I would be looking at the guy looking at me. Which I'm not. Except on really hot days when I'm all sweaty and covered in a nice smooth sheen. Then I could be a mirror.

mirror93 wrote:So, I have knowledge or perception of a key, that is in front of me. I'm aware that this is a key.It isn't an imagined creation, it is IN FRONT of me,

There is no key separate from that which is aware of key.There is no person being aware of a key in front of them, that is a misnomer.

The key is not in front of you. It is a projection of you..appearing as if separate from you.The projector is with or without a key, but there can never be a key without the projector, because the key is simply a projection of the projector. It's a creation of itself as projected.

No person is aware. A person is a dreamt character in the dreamer AWARENESS which cannot know itself as the character in the dream, it can only know itself as the awareness of the character in the dream inseparable from the dreamer dreaming the character.

The I am is the unknown dreamer (awareness) dreaming it is a thing (the object known)... without an object to relate to I am nothing. I relate only to what I am, and I am all things and not-a-thing.

define "separate" in this context? There is space and distance, you are misusing the word "separate"

"I gathered all these papers, but who separated them into files?" (correct usage of the concept "separate")"You are not separate from the key." (incorrect use of the concept to give you a hippie feeling of "illusion" of separateness, but none of this BS makes sense. it's a key, empty space, distance and you.)

The key IS distant from me (I'm the one who is seeing my key)I'm a person aware of my key in front of me.

The key is in front of me. It is not a projection of anything and it's not "appearing", it's there.

Show evidence of this "projector", please.

What is your evidence that a person is a "dreamt character"?

Your "dreamt character" analogy is neither 'aware' nor 'unaware', it's non existent.But I'm here , if I'm not sleeping, then I'm conscious, I'm aware , I'm me. You are there, if you're not sleeping, then you're conscious, you're aware , you are you. I have my life, you have yours, and you can't debunk it. The evidence is in front of your face.

Your definition of aware/unaware is false. For you to know that a person is aware, you just have to see if the person is sleeping or awake. aware/unaware. Any other use of this concept will be wrong.

I'm aware right now, doesn't matter if I consider myself as a "person", I consider myself whatever I want to be. The light coming out of the computer screen (which is in front of me) allows me to see the words being typed by you, and then I'm conscious, aware and understanding that what you're talking is pure garbage.

The "i am" is the unknown flying spaguetti monster, dreaming it is an alien, but everything around him appears to be an illusion but he is one with everything and blah blah............. none of this makes sense, you have no evidence to back up any of this crap. you're just reading it somewhere, believing in it and regurgitating it because it makes you feel good about yourself and your life.

mirror93 wrote: you're just reading it somewhere, believing in it and regurgitating it because it makes you feel good about yourself and your life.

If what I say is not making any sense to you, it's because you believe in some other belief that makes sense to you, something that you have read somewhere or someone has told you about, something that you have believed simply because you had no knowledge of your own when you were born, and so you had to wait until you were old enough to be able to parrot and regurgitated back the sounds that were made by other people, sounds that were heard as words.......then what you did was filter out what was important to you, stuff that made sense to and then regurgitate that knowledge to yourself everyday because it makes you feel good about yourself and your life...because without your story what the hell are you?

Oh, I remember now, first I existed, but I didn't know I existed, but then my mother gave me a name so that I would know I exist..and then that was when I knew I existed because my name said I did ...even though I already existed, and didn't really need the artificial name-tag to prove it. But I guess if the label sticks, might as well wear it. Better to be a fake someone rather than no one at all.

Tiresome bollocks, if you ask me. Which you did, of course. When you posted, you were not the asker but you became the asker when I became the reader. Asker - reader - reader - asker. Let's call the whole thing off.

placid the budgerigar wrote:If what I say is not making any sense to you, it's because you believe in some other belief that makes sense to you,

Nope. You previously said "We make our own realities" . Therefore there is no point in you continuing to tell us about your own reality, as we make up ours.............unless, of course, you don't believe your own bull-shit.

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placid the budgerigar wrote:If what I say is not making any sense to you, it's because you believe in some other belief that makes sense to you,

Nope. You previously said "We make our own realities" . Therefore there is no point in you continuing to tell us about your own reality, as we make up ours.............unless, of course, you don't believe your own bull-shit. mirror.jpg

Matthew Ellard wrote:Nope. You previously said "We make our own realities" . Therefore there is no point in you continuing to tell us about your own reality, as we make up ours.............unless, of course, you don't believe your own bull-shit.

placid the budgerigar wrote:The YOU is the belief.

How do you know that? Were you lying when you said we make up our own realities? So how do you know what my reality is?

Matthew Ellard wrote:Nope. You previously said "We make our own realities" . Therefore there is no point in you continuing to tell us about your own reality, as we make up ours.............unless, of course, you don't believe your own bull-shit.

placid the budgerigar wrote:The YOU is the belief.

How do you know that? Were you lying when you said we make up our own realities? So how do you know what my reality is?

Are you always this confused?

The named 'I' doesn't know anything. And is why anything the named 'I' claims to know is made-belief, so yes, I'm a liar if I say I know your reality because quite simply how can I know yours, I don't even know mine except what I make-up.

For the I to know anything it would have to split itself in two....into the knower and the known.

Not happening!!

All knowing comes straight from the sources mouth...aka not-knowing.

But you don't have to believe anything I say. Just stick to your own story. All we're doing is comparing stories. It's a shell game. Phantoms have nothing else to do, and is why they can never find any purpose to life other than to hang around the Virtual World of make-belief.

Your name is Placid and yes, you don't know anything. We normal people already knew that.

placid wrote:so yes, I'm a liar

Ah! So you do know something.

So lets sum up shall we? 1) Your religion states that every individual creates their own subjective reality, 2) You insist on telling other people about your subjective reality model as guidance 3) Therefore you are a hypocrite and don't believe your own religious bull-shit.4) Therefore we all know you are a liar as you stated.

.... why do you and Shaka insist in trolling a skeptic forum? Why don't you two troll religious forums?

One doesn't remember anything while conscious either, simply because no one is conscious. One cannot know anything before one already knows, it is only as one recalls it from memory as knowledge on demand. Consciousness is this living dead.

placid wrote:One doesn't remember anything while conscious either, simply because no one is conscious. One cannot know anything before one already knows, it is only as one recalls it from memory as knowledge on demand. Consciousness is this living dead.

Consciousness does not exist except as the concept informs.Concepts are formless information...in form.