Since when were cosmetics not a part of the game that we're paying for? Since when were they not included in our subscriptions???

Getting sick of this argument. Without cosmetics this games just a load of maths and RNG, the cosmetics ARE what makes it a game and creates the world. Infact, now we have transmog, cosmetic appearance is JUST as important to a lot of players as the quality of the armour.

Speaking as a Rogue, our latest PVP AND PVE armours have been PISS poor for a long time. Ranging from "really lazy and not thought out" to "a fuckin horrendous mess". Last season we had to look like someone had emptied their KFC leftovers over our heads. Blizzard actually designing cooler armour to sell for an additional cost is an insult.

This is MEANT to be a Pay to Pay model. With Blizzard trying to have a F2P model at the same time, and getting every penny they can from players, is IS a pisstake and disrespectful to those with subscriptions, even if you aren't using that armour.

Unfortunately for you what people think of the armour is all relative. Since YOU think that the new armour is better than old sets doesn't actually strengthen your argument. I personally think the dreadful and malev sets for rogue are better than those helms. This will be the exact same thing with the mounts. We will say the same things. "Hey those items are rendered nicely, but that guy is a fucking idiot for paying 20$ on that mount". For anyone who has seen alani's mount you would know that that mount is 100% better than anything in the blizzard store.

Unfortunately for you what people think of the armour is all relative. Since YOU think that the new armour is better than old sets doesn't actually strengthen your argument. I personally think the dreadful and malev sets for rogue are better than those helms. This will be the exact same thing with the mounts. We will say the same things. "Hey those items are rendered nicely, but that guy is a fucking idiot for paying 20$ on that mount". For anyone who has seen alani's mount you would know that that mount is 100% better than anything in the blizzard store.

There is nothing relative about the fact that Blizzard are charging ppl for items ... and then charging them sub to be able to wear those items. Not a SINGLE game out there in the current market does that. And that is for a reason. It's total and utter disgrace.

Even F2P games don't sink so low to force ppl to pay a sub to log into a game to use items you bought for real money.

Unfortunately for you what people think of the armour is all relative. Since YOU think that the new armour is better than old sets doesn't actually strengthen your argument. I personally think the dreadful and malev sets for rogue are better than those helms. This will be the exact same thing with the mounts. We will say the same things. "Hey those items are rendered nicely, but that guy is a fucking idiot for paying 20$ on that mount". For anyone who has seen alani's mount you would know that that mount is 100% better than anything in the blizzard store.

no? alanis mount is just the red cloud serpent with a sparkly effect. O_o

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I just realised that blizz introduced HATS into game. Warcraft fortress anyone ? I wonder when raid bosses will start dropping crates instead of loot. Key cost only 2$ and you have 1% chance for unusual loot !!!!

Now 3 helmets, tommrow this:

There is huge difference. You can log into TF2 anytime you want without paying extra to use the items you have bought. WOW is the ONLY game that is planning to let ppl pay for items and THEN force them to pay a sub so that they can wear those items when they want. I repeat. ONLY game on the market.

There is not a single game in a twisted and unprofessional game industry that dares to sink this low.... But Blizzard is ready to.

There is nothing relative about the fact that Blizzard are charging ppl for items ... and then charging them sub to be able to wear those items. Not a SINGLE game out there in the current market does that. And that is for a reason. It's total and utter disgrace.

Even F2P games don't sink so low to force ppl to pay a sub to log into a game to use items you bought for real money.

Please reread what I said. The LOOK of the armour is relative. They are selling mounts and the pets in the store right now. What is the difference with COMSMETIC gear? It is not different than the mounts and it will all blow over like that. Also, you can't compare what other games are doing because they don't offer the same thing is what WOW offers, which is why it is sitting at 8 million subs.

once they start get this going, i hope they add racial armor to it. they have had the chance to add it to city quartermasters, but they haven't. so this would be perfect. night elf sentinel gear, stormwind infantry gear, orgrimmar grunt gear, all the good stuff.

i am a loyal customer and i will support blizzard as much as i can until the end of days because blizzard is and will be forever the best gaming company EVER.
and i will buy all of them them for all my chars and buddys!

Please reread what I said. The LOOK of the armour is relative. They are selling mounts and the pets in the store right now. What is the difference with COMSMETIC gear? It is not different than the mounts and it will all blow over like that. Also, you can't compare what other games are doing because they don't offer the same thing is what WOW offers, which is why it is sitting at 8 million subs.

Those games are not sub based so they don't have subs. Most of those games have cosmetic gear only as well. They give their player base FULL FREEDOM on buying those items and many of those games have options how to gain those items without paying real money for them.

And note. NONE of the F2P games restricts their users from then USING those items whenever they want. The consumer is not FORCED to pay sub to be able to log on. Thats a big difference here. These games don't show their disrespect to paying consumers.

The items in Blizzard Webstore have always be on a very grey area when it comes to this. Thats probably why Blizzard started this "service" on their website. That way it worked more like the trading card game and deluxe or collector edition. It was still shamefull in my eyes ... but not to the same degree as we see now if they add an ingame cash shop. Thats a line that NO game should cross. And Im not even sure its legal to charge a person for a digital item and then add sub for it so they can use it. And even if its legal - its very unethical that no game has done EVER before.

Let me tell you the main reason why many of are upset.
Blizzard's store has all the good stuff that is acquired paying actual currency. Since we pay $15 per month, we feel all those mounts, pets, and transmogs should be available via in-game means, regardless of how difficult or lengthy it may be.

Taking into account the inflation that ate quite a bit of the original sub price, not really.

Really poor and utterly wrong logic. They can charge players extra for the expansions to fight inflation.

In terms of cost per user.... They are probably getting BETTER deals now than what they had at launch of WOW since bandwith has been costing less over the last few years. And with the game 2 million players fewer than 2 years ago.... they can restrict the need for power use and space. Its not like they are changing hardware every patch...

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Originally Posted by Tomana

Well, it is no different from any other merchandising.

Can't remember the day when I was charged for just putting on my pants after I bought them in a store. But thats what Blizzard are aiming to do. Charge players for an item.. and then charge them for login into the game to use those items. ONLY GAME in the world that will do that.

Thats something that NOT A SINGLE store in the world does. And thats why this is NOT like every other merchandising

Really poor and utterly wrong logic. They can charge players extra for the expansions to fight inflation.

And that would cause a lot of whine. So would sub increase by the way. Hence they're trying to catch up through other channels.

Originally Posted by Duster505

In terms of cost per user.... They are probably getting BETTER deals now than what they had at launch of WOW since bandwith has been costing less over the last few years.

Yes, but the inflation since 2004 is nothing to sneeze at, either. Also, you're missing the fact that the main expense is not hardware or bandwidth, but paying the army of developers and the marketing fees. And those are affected by the inflation too.

Originally Posted by Duster505

Can't remember the day when I was charged for just putting on my pants after I bought them in a store. But thats what Blizzard are aiming to do. Charge players for an item.. and then charge them for login into the game to use those items. ONLY GAME in the world that will do that.

What are you ranting about? When you were a kid, you never went to a movie and then bought a poster or an action figurine after that? This is exactly the same stuff.

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Originally Posted by Netherspark

Stop trying to make it look like he's alone in this opinion. Roughly half of all comments have been negative, citing this as a reason.

He's not alone, but speaking from a hypothetical "we" standpoint usually lights up the "BS inc." indicator pretty consistently.