Unarreste?
Got out to gold base again around 5 pm. It was still hot, but I
had my water spray. I got my thugs back. Just after I parked,
Edwin Richardson and thug 2 (we really need to put a name on
him) came tearing up in a big SUV, passed my parked car and
jumped out. Before I could see them, I was not sure what was
going on, so I jumped back in my car. But since was just them,
I got back out and started picketing.
Richardson and thug 2 were doing the usual provocations to get
me to take a swing at one of them, and complaining about my
taping them. (I told them that if they talked, they were going
on tape).
I was starting on my second or third round and was near my car
which I had parked just beyond the east overpass when a Sheriff
Deputy by the name of Rowe pulled up. He jumped out and put
cuffs on me. Richardson and thug 2 started bitching to him
about me taping them when he blew them off by saying they had
no expectation of privacy out on a public road, and to stuff
it. I don't think they knew this arrest was coming down or why.
I was more than a bit mystified as to why I was being arrested,
since I don't have much on my conscience that is not well
beyond any statue of limitations. However, it was lock my signs
in my car and off to the new sheriff station we went.
As near as I can paste it together, Rowe arrested me as a
*citizen's* arrest on the say so of someone in scientology. In
theory, that puts all legal risk, including death, on the one
who has asked the deputy to arrest. And get what for--ICBM and
cruise missile threats against (*) and scn! You remember that
posting where I said modern missiles are more accurate than
someone else posted about? Well, that and the section out of
the Gilliland book were what scn was claiming has caused a
disruption of the internal ways they do things (what was not
specified).
It was more than a little unclear, but (*) may also be worrying
about being carried off by eagles. Deputy Rowe read me Maranda
rights (something the LAPD did not do when they arrested me at
scn's request a few years ago and asked if I wanted to talk to
him about this series of postings. He held out the possibility
that he and the sargent would decide the charges were silly and
let me go. (Later he admitted that this was not the case and
that he had absolutely no choice but to book me because scn
said they wanted me citizen's arrested.)
So, figuring there was nothing I could say re such an entirely
silly business (I mean, did he frisk me for MIRVs?) which would
hurt my case, I tried to educated a guy who knew *nothing*
about the cult, computers, or net.culture. What a way to spend
an evening in handcuffs. As a cautionary tale, I told him about
Steve Jackson Games and the fun *that* caused because not one
of the Secret Service agents had the slightest clue about
computers, role playing games, or cyberpunk science fiction. At
the end, he allowed as how since scn was actually doing the
arresting, I would have to be taken over to Riverside, 30-40
miles away and booked. They might or might not let me bail out.
Now, this generated a problem, because I take a serious mix of
drugs to hold down my blood pressure, skipping a dose causes
high rebound problems, and I had last taken them very early in
the morning. Of course, they could not just stop by Ida's and
let me take them because prisoners cannot take prescriptions
other than ones given by the county (I think the fear is
someone might get high in jail).
It was, therefore, a total unknown as to how long it might be
before I could get medication. Since none of them could check
blood pressure (sheesh) they had to call the paramedics to do
it. About the time the paramedics said I really should not just
be transported directly to jail, but should stop by a medical
facility first, something had come unglued with the scns
refusing to sign the citizen's arrest papers. This left the
county with all the false arrest liability, not to mention who
would get sued if anything happened to me while in custody. (I
didn't mention it, but about ten years ago I sued Riverside
county over the excesses of some coroner deputies and won.) So
I was "unarrested" (Deputy Rowe really used that word) and
stuffed in an ambulance to be checked out at the nearest open
emergency ward. This was most of the way to Riverside and part
way there we were diverted because one hospital would not take
anyone who was originating from the Sheriff's office.
It was a long ride, but I used it to fully inform the two
paramedics, BobF and Bob, about our favorite cult. When we
reached the hospital, the most reasonable thing for me to have
done was split AMA and go take my blood presure medications. I
offered to go take them and come back, to be checked out, but
as it was I spent a few hours there before I could sign out and
get a cab back to my car. While I was there I had a rapt bunch
of listeners, a good number of whom had horror stories of their
own about our favorite cult (as did the paramedics).
On the way back to pick up my car, Carl, the cab driver, got
the an ear full and it turned out he knew the Shaner family and
was familiar with her senseless death, but he did not know the
complex had anything to do with scientology. All together I
would estimate that another 30 people were educated about Xenu,
the cult and the cult's presence near Henet. You can bet they
will be talking about this to their friends tomorrow.
Sorry I don't have time to do a polish on this report, I only
have a few hours before I will be out there again.
Keith Henson,
Reporting from the Hemet front
PS If this report gets upstaged by the Macgoo defection, count
me among those cheering.
PPS I suspect scn did not gain any points by jerking the
Sheriff's office around with the on/off citizen's arrest
business. Also, knowing this rule, even if it was not applied
here, you can skip the interogation unless you think it worth
the educational effects.

From: [email protected] (Eric Bohlman)
Date: 20 Jul 2000 11:17:44 GMT
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Keith Henson ([email protected]) wrote:
> It was, therefore, a total unknown as to how long it might be before I
> could get medication. Since none of them could check blood pressure
> (sheesh) they had to call the paramedics to do it. About the time the
> paramedics said I really should not just be transported directly to jail,
> but should stop by a medical facility first, something had come unglued
> with the scns refusing to sign the citizen's arrest papers. This left the
Good judgment on the scns' part. If they had signed a formal complaint
stating that you had threatened to launch ICBMs and cruise missiles at
Gold, the officer handling the papers might have had the phrase "Baker
Act" running through his head and might have done something that would
have turned the complainants into illegal PCs.
From: "El Roto" <[email protected]>
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 09:46:41 -0700
In article <[email protected]
server.optonline.net>, Mike O'Connor
<[email protected]> wrote:
> They never intended to sign in the first place IMO.
> The purpose of the arrest was to harass and discourage
> rather than to win.
Exactly. One can only wonder what laws are in place to
puninsh anyone that abuses the citizen's arrest statutes.
As was previously stated, Keith was basically unlawfully
detained at the behest of someone at Hemet through the Rowe-
goon and has to be held responsible, or am I forgetting
that responsibility and the Co$ are strangers.
Steve G.
From: Keith Henson <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Back in Hemet
Date: 20 Jul 2000 16:48:32 GMT
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
El Roto <[email protected]> wrote:
snip
> As was previously stated, Keith was basically unlawfully
> detained at the behest of someone at Hemet through the Rowe-
> goon and has to be held responsible, or am I forgetting
> that responsibility and the Co$ are strangers.
Hey, knock it off. Deputy Rowe was exploited and jerked around by the
scientologists, but there is no call to refer to him this way.
Keith Henson
From: "El Roto" <[email protected]>
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 13:34:46 -0700
Keith, my humblest apologies to Deputy Rowe and you. I
misread your post and thought Rowe was one of the OSA
goons, thus the unkind characterization.
Again, I'm very sorry for this unfair besmirching of Deputy
Rowe. Thank you for pointing this out.
Steve G.
From: ptsc <[email protected]>
Date: 20 Jul 2000 04:57:16 -0700
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
This sounds like a complete clusterfuck, Keith.
If they dragged you off in cuffs and *didn't* arrest
you, they had no cause whatsoever to do it.
The cult refused to sign the arrest papers, that
sounds like guilty knowledge to me. Is scienter the
word for that? Why wouldn't they sign it?
Probably because they knew what an illegal clusterfuck
it was, after consulting someone uplines. And if they
pulled this "citizen's arrest" WITHOUT any signed papers,
then they are fully liable.
The cult's agents are also fully liable, for having
coerced them into doing it.
It sounds like you could pretty much sue anyone who
had anything remotely to do this, and probably get
un-bankrupt pretty quick.
I hope you don't discount this possibility. If you
don't want to antagonize the police too much, you could
probably stand a good chance of getting their full
cooperation in a civil suit against the cult and its
agents in return for releasing them from liability.
>Unarreste?
>Got out to gold base again around 5 pm. It was still hot, but I had my
>water spray. I got my thugs back. Just after I parked, Edwin Richardson
>and thug 2 (we really need to put a name on him) came tearing up in a big
>SUV, passed my parked car and jumped out. Before I could see them, I was
>not sure what was going on, so I jumped back in my car. But since was
>just them, I got back out and started picketing.
>Richardson and thug 2 were doing the usual provocations to get me to take
>a swing at one of them, and complaining about my taping them. (I told
>them that if they talked, they were going on tape).
So, harassment, as another cause of action. "Fighting words"
aren't constitutionally protected. Plus you have tape.
>I was starting on my second or third round and was near my car which I had
>parked just beyond the east overpass when a Sheriff Deputy by the name of
>Rowe pulled up. He jumped out and put cuffs on me. Richardson and thug 2
>started bitching to him about me taping them when he blew them off by
>saying they had no expectation of privacy out on a public road, and to
>stuff it. I don't think they knew this arrest was coming down or why.
Second cause of action, unauthorized whatever-he-did.
He apparently had no papers authorizing his action.
>I was more than a bit mystified as to why I was being arrested, since I
>don't have much on my conscience that is not well beyond any statue of
>limitations. However, it was lock my signs in my car and off to the new
>sheriff station we went.
>As near as I can paste it together, Rowe arrested me as a *citizen's*
>arrest on the say so of someone in scientology. In theory, that puts all
>legal risk, including death, on the one who has asked the deputy to
>arrest. And get what for--ICBM and cruise missile threats against (*)
>and scn! You remember that posting where I said modern missiles are more
>accurate than someone else posted about? Well, that and the section out
>of the Gilliland book were what scn was claiming has caused a disruption
>of the internal ways they do things (what was not specified).
>It was more than a little unclear, but (*) may also be worrying about
>being carried off by eagles. Deputy Rowe read me Maranda rights
>(something the LAPD did not do when they arrested me at scn's request a
>few years ago and asked if I wanted to talk to him about this series of
>postings. He held out the possibility that he and the sargent would
>decide the charges were silly and let me go. (Later he admitted that this
>was not the case and that he had absolutely no choice but to book me
>because scn said they wanted me citizen's arrested.)
Interesting to read you a Miranda warning when you supposedly
weren't arrested. Since you weren't arrested, just reading
you the rights isn't really relevant.
>So, figuring there was nothing I could say re such an entirely silly
>business (I mean, did he frisk me for MIRVs?) which would hurt my case, I
Geez, you oughtta know by now that saying almost anything can
hurt your case, especially when a nutbag who is totally clueless
doesn't understand it and then either unintentionally or
maliciously reinterprets it in court, and I don't know what
effect Mirandizing you has on that.
>tried to educated a guy who knew *nothing* about the cult, computers, or
>net.culture. What a way to spend an evening in handcuffs. As a
>cautionary tale, I told him about Steve Jackson Games and the fun *that*
>caused because not one of the Secret Service agents had the slightest clue
>about computers, role playing games, or cyberpunk science fiction. At
>the end, he allowed as how since scn was actually doing the arresting, I
>would have to be taken over to Riverside, 30-40 miles away and booked.
>They might or might not let me bail out. Now, this generated a problem,
>because I take a serious mix of drugs to hold down my blood pressure,
>skipping a dose causes high rebound problems, and I had last taken them
>very early in the morning. Of course, they could not just stop by Ida's
>and let me take them because prisoners cannot take prescriptions other
>than ones given by the county (I think the fear is someone might get high
>in jail).
Hmm, possibly endangerment. Probably not, though.
>It was, therefore, a total unknown as to how long it might be before I
>could get medication. Since none of them could check blood pressure
>(sheesh) they had to call the paramedics to do it. About the time the
>paramedics said I really should not just be transported directly to jail,
>but should stop by a medical facility first, something had come unglued
>with the scns refusing to sign the citizen's arrest papers. This left the
>county with all the false arrest liability, not to mention who would get
>sued if anything happened to me while in custody. (I didn't mention it,
>but about ten years ago I sued Riverside county over the excesses of some
>coroner deputies and won.) So I was "unarrested" (Deputy Rowe really used
>that word) and stuffed in an ambulance to be checked out at the nearest
>open emergency ward. This was most of the way to Riverside and part way
>there we were diverted because one hospital would not take anyone who was
>originating from the Sheriff's office.
Not signing the papers after requesting it indicates bad faith
and supports a claim that they did this maliciously, knowing full
well it was illegal. Then they deliberately dumped it in the
lap of the county.
Further the hospital's actions may have been illegal, too.
Hospitals can refuse to sign *agreements* to take patients
from particular locations (abortion clinics often are unable
to get legally-required transfer agreements), but hospitals
are not allowed to refuse emergency care, and lack of
life-sustaining medication is an emergency.
Jeez, Keith, you can sue just about everyone in the
county but involving the hospital is probably a waste
of time.
>It was a long ride, but I used it to fully inform the two paramedics, BobF
>and Bob, about our favorite cult. When we reached the hospital, the most
>reasonable thing for me to have done was split AMA and go take my blood
>presure medications. I offered to go take them and come back, to be
>checked out, but as it was I spent a few hours there before I could sign
>out and get a cab back to my car. While I was there I had a rapt bunch of
>listeners, a good number of whom had horror stories of their own about our
>favorite cult (as did the paramedics).
>On the way back to pick up my car, Carl, the cab driver, got the an ear
>full and it turned out he knew the Shaner family and was familiar with her
>senseless death, but he did not know the complex had anything to do with
>scientology. All together I would estimate that another 30 people were
>educated about Xenu, the cult and the cult's presence near Henet. You can
>bet they will be talking about this to their friends tomorrow.
Well, ok, you probably couldn't sue the cab driver, but he's about
the only one.
>Sorry I don't have time to do a polish on this report, I only have a
>few hours before I will be out there again.
>Keith Henson,
>Reporting from the Hemet front
>PS If this report gets upstaged by the Macgoo defection, count me
>among those cheering.
>PPS I suspect scn did not gain any points by jerking the Sheriff's office
>around with the on/off citizen's arrest business. Also, knowing this
>rule, even if it was not applied here, you can skip the interogation
>unless you think it worth the educational effects.
Personally, I think this could very well be your
"get out of bankruptcy free" card.
ptsc
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 09:49:07 -0700
From: barb <[email protected]>
Baba ROM DOS wrote:
> Keith Henson wrote in message <[email protected]>...
> >It was more than a little unclear, but (*) may also be worrying about
> >being carried off by eagles.
> Dammit Keith! Who tipped him off on that one? I thought
> we had a tight lid on, and the diversionary programs were
> pretty damned convincing. Now what am I going to do with
> these damned birds, now that we've lost the element of
> surprise?
>
> I'd say it's a bowl of Whole Track Sec Chex for breakfast for
> everyone with telnet accounts on Umbra Xenu...
Paint 'em green and teach 'em to talk. "Just out walking my
parrot, officer!"
"Squawk! Xenu!"
--
barb
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every century, Scientology does wierd and stupid things
to damage its own reputation." - Steve Zadarnowski
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