SWTOR (which even got Goty... being out only few days, almost like they paid for one... *looks accusingly at MMOrpg*)

Aion (Which to be fair, its doing amazing overseas, just not as good in the west)

Guild Wars 2

Vanguard

DC Universe

Rift (though I really do enjoy this game, still a lot lower in population)

I mean we can go on and on if you want. Preview =/= release results. Any reviewer is typically going to put a posative spin on anything they see, after all they want to be invited to try stuff out more and they want that little revenue for advertising that game.

Thats because they arent really "reviewers" or "game journalists". Though they make you think they are.

They are really just an Advertisment Spokesperson.

These Official "Previews" and "Reviews" are nothing but commercials trying to get you to buy the game.

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heavily phased, instanced and with an emphasis on "story". it's dead already. swtor model, through and through. and yes, the initial sales will be impressive but not as much as swtor's. imo even the general public is becoming aware that "ip does not the game make" - it is the game design, the way the mechanics are built, the "what this game is all about" rather than referencing some imagined world...

tell me, did you love ES games for their "story" or for the fact that they gave you a freedom to explore and a real sense of accomplishment? I still remember eeking out a living in Morrowind... People confuse these things. People didn't love Star Wars because of its setting.. they loved it because of its characters, excellent writing and revolutionary special effects for the time. If you remove these, the story is banal and pretty much standard as is the space-opera setting, it's been done and done already ever since the 1940s... - the movie would have flopped like everybody expected to. The setting became beloved by so many because the movie itself, the stuff I mentioned, carried it through. Fast forward 15 years... bland characters, soapy writing and meh special effects (being impressed by CGI today is like being impressed by steam engines in the 20th century...) It's just an attempt at exploiting customer sentimentality. When you strip off the SW/ES sheen, there is nothing behind. Nothing.

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Various game press sites are gushing praise all over the place after playing for a few hours.

Haven't we seen this type of behavior before?

Sure, but, we have learnt quite a lot about the game at such an early stage. Open world sieges, dungeons, combat system, quest system etc. Sure it's all subject to change but before this batch of previews I really didn't think they would make a real MMO out of Elder Scrolls. Not to mention a lot of the people who got to play all played Elder Scrolls and they agree if feels like Elder Scrolls

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Already got the MMORPG for me

Zenimax so far has made things sound better compared to previous information earlier this year. Depending on payment model, combat, questing, and PVP, my intrest in it will increase/decrease, then I will try beta, and if I like it I'll buy it.

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Don't raise your expectations or you'll be disappointed. :) Just a tip.

That's right, expect only misery and predict only doom.

Wait...what kind of life is that?

That cost of this 'guarding myself against disappointment' by equipping my "+10 armor of bitterness"....just sounds too high.

Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

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Various game press sites are gushing praise all over the place after playing for a few hours.

Haven't we seen this type of behavior before?

Sure, but, we have learnt quite a lot about the game at such an early stage. Open world sieges, dungeons, combat system, quest system etc. Sure it's all subject to change but before this batch of previews I really didn't think they would make a real MMO out of Elder Scrolls. Not to mention a lot of the people who got to play all played Elder Scrolls and they agree if feels like Elder Scrolls

Just take the "Open world sieges" feature. Time will tell if that will work with some real load on the servers. How many preview testers have been allowed to test the "prototype" yet? ;-)

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Like a lot of poeple already said, TOR has given the community reason to take any review with a grain of salt. I would include GW2 in that as well. The reviewers work for companies that need revenue from gaming companies, so this comes as no surprise that every MMO preview is positive. Also, reviewers typically only play for a couple of hours, if even that. MMOs are about longevity so the reviewers would have a distorted view even if they were being completely objective.

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Originally posted by SuperDonkLike a lot of poeple already said, TOR has given the community reason to take any review with a grain of salt. I would include GW2 in that as well. The reviewers work for companies that need revenue from gaming companies, so this comes as no surprise that every MMO preview is positive. Also, reviewers typically only play for a couple of hours, if even that. MMOs are about longevity so the reviewers would have a distorted view even if they were being completely objective.

Actually there were a variety of people there, including leaders of the biggest clans in MMOs. Positive feedback so far, no fake TOR paid-for previews here.

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Originally posted by PsychoPigeon

Originally posted by SuperDonkLike a lot of poeple already said, TOR has given the community reason to take any review with a grain of salt. I would include GW2 in that as well. The reviewers work for companies that need revenue from gaming companies, so this comes as no surprise that every MMO preview is positive. Also, reviewers typically only play for a couple of hours, if even that. MMOs are about longevity so the reviewers would have a distorted view even if they were being completely objective.

Actually there were a variety of people there, including leaders of the biggest clans in MMOs. Positive feedback so far, no fake TOR paid-for previews here.

So self important fans who got a free invite and are desperate not to screw up their chance of another are somehow trustworthy.

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Originally posted by PsychoPigeon

Originally posted by SuperDonkLike a lot of poeple already said, TOR has given the community reason to take any review with a grain of salt. I would include GW2 in that as well. The reviewers work for companies that need revenue from gaming companies, so this comes as no surprise that every MMO preview is positive. Also, reviewers typically only play for a couple of hours, if even that. MMOs are about longevity so the reviewers would have a distorted view even if they were being completely objective.

Actually there were a variety of people there, including leaders of the biggest clans in MMOs. Positive feedback so far, no fake TOR paid-for previews here.

The second part of my post might still apply though. I'm pretty sure TOR had very positive player previews too, but they didn't address the longevity question. After a few hours of SWTOR I also thought it could be one of the best MMOs ever, but I had not got to end game yet nor did I forsee Bioware's game breaking bugs, exploits, and head-scratching nerfs.

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Its already well known that media outlets are liars, yes even the correspondants at MMORPG. You think they would write a negative review on anygame they were given the privledge to come in and preview?

THe answer is no, not unless they never wanted to be invited back.

I take all these previews and articles for a grain of salt, show me a video, lable it as being only alpha and ill see if i buy what your selling for myself. Save your written previews.

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As soon as they mentioned megaservers would have instanced zones and phasing, it pretty much killed any chance I would enjoy this game. A TES game should have at least SOME degree of persistence. Instancing and phasing are the easy (and cheap) ways out.

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What game? Isn't this just a themepark game in alpha or pre-alpha development?

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