Although crappy move towards consumers, there is no real need to worry about the Java brand becoming any cheaper, its already the laughing stock when it comes to security and its commonly advised that it should be uninstalled.

Besides all serious deployed Java apps have already moved to using a bundled JRE and the system JRE is becoming less and less relevant.

Interestingly I remember reading somewhere the amount of money made from these bundled toolbars is enough to fund the entire current Java SE development team, not sure where that was posted though.

Search providers add ads to the search results, which make them money, so they typically want to broaden their reach by aggresively pushing their toolbars, paying whoever is willing to bundle it in their installer.

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My advice would be: if you deploy your Java application to your customers, NEVER use the Oracle malware-infested installer. Java is a great language and the JVM is pretty amazing, but please save your users this junkware and use an embedded JRE or some other solution such as Excelsior JET instead.

You can't blame Oracle though; this lunacy started under Sun.Java has been mismanaged since the very beginning; that it still remains a somewhat relevant technology today is a testament to how good it could have been.

But I find their presence kind of reassuring, indicative that Java and Oracle must be somewhat successful in a mainstream sort of way, or certainly Mozilla wouldn't be bothering.

Also, I figure it is a good thing if Oracle is able to offset some of the costs of supporting Java with out directly requiring me to pay anything. This is much better than the situation with Microsoft technology.

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Do you want to make it look cheap, nasty and disreputable? Why not push useless browser toolbars and change people's default search engine if they are being just a little inattentive?

If people don't pay attention to what they install, then it's honestly their own fault. You're free to uncheck the "install Ask Toolbar" option, it's not in any way forced upon you, unless, of course you don't pay attention to what you install on your computer. But if that's the case, then I doubt that the tool bar will compromise your computer more than it already is.

Licence? No. So I've probably given away my soul a few times and everything I own. However, every other install screen and checkbox, yes, including change logs for the apps I use and there's a good chance I'll stop using an app if they present no change log over their updates(I'm not looking for super detailed change logs, just something stating the nature of the update. e.g. bug fixes, added something, removed herobrine, etc.). Documentation is for documenting features and special cases, I check it if I need it. However, I've yet to try a click-and-install where I needed the documentation to be able to figure out if I should check one box or another.

I'll agree that it's not very nice of the Java people to stuff those checkboxes in there and having them checked by default. But isn't the least a user could do, to check what's written on those screens? What else is the point of the screens, if not to provide information and choices?

Besides, it's not like it's something that's hidden away somewhere, it's written in a big bold font, all on it's own screen.

You're almost arguing that people have a right to sue others, because they cut themselves on a knife, and no where did it read that the knife was sharp.

No, not in this case. I download a Java installer, I'm expecting to install Java. I don't read all the crap inbetween double clicking and FINISH. I don't really have the time or the inclination to keep my wits about me when I'm just trying to get something trivial done. It's underhand. Hopefully though the whole system JRE thing will be utterly dead within 5 years.

Even worse is that every time you download an update(which are automatically thrust upon you under the pretence of 'security and performance improvements'), that crapware checkbox is there waiting to catch you unawares.

Users wouldn't tolerate crapware being bundled with every single patch of their OS, .net runtime, adobe flashplayer*, etc etc.Why does Oracle think it should be tolerated with Java patches?

*(adobe do bundle crapware with flash & acrobat installs, but not with automated updates)

Even worse is that every time you download an update(which are automatically thrust upon you under the pretence of 'security and performance improvements'), that crapware checkbox is there waiting to catch you unawares.

To make matters even worse is if you do accidental tick the ask toolbar check box while installing Java you can't immediately uninstall the toolbar as it doesn't install immediately. The Ask toolbar installer hides itself and then waits 10 minutes before silently installing. Probably hoping users will forget about it and not uninstall it. This malware type behaviour just rubs it in even more.

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