“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.” - Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:in mountain clefts and chasms,loud gush the streamlets,but great rivers flow silently.- Sutta Nipata 3.725

P&T: BS is a great show, but like all episodes, this one obviously deals in exaggerations and caricatures rather than concrete facts. That being said, there is a lot to criticize about feudal Tibet before Chinese rule; how much the Dalai Lama had to do with that, however, is up for debate.

It's a contentious issue with multiple sides, so feel free to laugh at their sacred cow-slaying but don't take it too seriously.

Gain and loss, status and disgrace, censure and praise, pleasure and pain:these conditions among human beings are inconstant,impermanent, subject to change.

LonesomeYogurt wrote:P&T: BS is a great show, but like all episodes, this one obviously deals in exaggerations and caricatures rather than concrete facts. That being said, there is a lot to criticize about feudal Tibet before Chinese rule; how much the Dalai Lama had to do with that, however, is up for debate.

How much did the present DL have to do with the pre-Chinese feudal system? None whatsoever, and he certainly had no real opportunity to do anything about it given his age when the Chinese invaded Tibet.

It's a contentious issue with multiple sides, so feel free to laugh at their sacred cow-slaying but don't take it too seriously.

The last people to listen to concerning Tibet is the Chinese government and the second to last people to listen to are the unwitting stooges who repeat the Chinese government's crappola.

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++++++++++++++++This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.

There is freedom from birth, freedom from becoming, freedom from making, freedom from conditioning. If there were not this freedom from birth, freedom from becoming, freedom from making, freedom from conditioning, then escape from that which is birth, becoming, making, conditioning, would not be known here. -- Ud 80

Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.People live in one another’s shelter.

As LonesomeYogurt mentioned the above clip "deals in exaggerations and caricatures". it is political satire. But are they just repeating Chinese government's crappola? Is it based on Chinese propaganda? And if it were influenced by Chinese propaganda is Chinese propaganda more nefarious than say US propaganda?

Mr Man wrote: is Chinese propaganda more nefarious than say US propaganda?

Probably.

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++++++++++++++++This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.

There is freedom from birth, freedom from becoming, freedom from making, freedom from conditioning. If there were not this freedom from birth, freedom from becoming, freedom from making, freedom from conditioning, then escape from that which is birth, becoming, making, conditioning, would not be known here. -- Ud 80

Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.People live in one another’s shelter.

Mr Man wrote:Okay, but are they just repeating chinese government propaganda?

Are they?

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++++++++++++++++This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.

There is freedom from birth, freedom from becoming, freedom from making, freedom from conditioning. If there were not this freedom from birth, freedom from becoming, freedom from making, freedom from conditioning, then escape from that which is birth, becoming, making, conditioning, would not be known here. -- Ud 80

Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.People live in one another’s shelter.

Mr Man wrote:Okay, but are they just repeating chinese government propaganda?

Are they?

I don't know. I didn't say it.

I am watching it now, and P&T are spouting garbage. Some of it comes from the Commies and some it is just distortion of the what happened. If you want to defend these two bozos ball-peen hammer approach, go ahead, but it is not worth my time.

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++++++++++++++++This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.

There is freedom from birth, freedom from becoming, freedom from making, freedom from conditioning. If there were not this freedom from birth, freedom from becoming, freedom from making, freedom from conditioning, then escape from that which is birth, becoming, making, conditioning, would not be known here. -- Ud 80

Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.People live in one another’s shelter.

Penn is a self-described anarcho-capitalist, Ayn Rand devotee, and sits on the board of the Cato Institute, an organization founded by the infamous Koch brothers. He disputes the science of climate change, and named one of his children 'Moxie Crimefighter." My diagnosis: possible douchebag.

Michael Parenti, featured in the video, is in part an apologist for communism, suggesting that he and Jillette may share an affinity for Communist regimes like the PRC.

Aside from my snarky take on this video, it's factually incorrect. It seems a load of the same bullshit that the Penn/Teller program suggests it is revealing. I don't mind a well founded critique of HHDL, or of any public person, so long as it is fair. This segment is deserving of ridicule, but I guess I'm not surprised that it came of out the same ideology that supports the Koch brothers.

What's good for Tibet is not good for China, and the billions that the Koch brothers earn from their businesses. "Smooch!" That's the sound of Jillette planting a big one on David Koch's butt.

In addition to communist propaganda, it seems like there's new kadampa propaganda, too, added to the soup. Well, basically, some cults that have separated themselves from rest of tibetan buddhism use these same arguments.

BuddhaSoup wrote:. . . That's the sound of Jillette planting a big one on David Koch's butt.

That also explains the defense of Wal-Mart and the arguing against gun control. They arewithout a doubt Bozos.

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++++++++++++++++This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.

There is freedom from birth, freedom from becoming, freedom from making, freedom from conditioning. If there were not this freedom from birth, freedom from becoming, freedom from making, freedom from conditioning, then escape from that which is birth, becoming, making, conditioning, would not be known here. -- Ud 80

Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.People live in one another’s shelter.

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.” - Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:in mountain clefts and chasms,loud gush the streamlets,but great rivers flow silently.- Sutta Nipata 3.725