topshelf66 wrote:This year may be a wake up call for Fleury. Plus, I am hoping that there is an element of "we lost the ECF and it was not my fault" mentality that could actually be good for his psyche.

My concern is that the players and coach didn't seem to think it was their fault either.

topshelf66 wrote:This year may be a wake up call for Fleury. Plus, I am hoping that there is an element of "we lost the ECF and it was not my fault" mentality that could actually be good for his psyche.

My concern is that the players and coach didn't seem to think it was their fault either.

MRandall25 wrote:Again, a new goalie coach could do wonders for Fleury.

Hopefully they find a good one.

Goalies either have it figured out or not by this age. Fleury is what he is and it's not going to change.

This is 100% freaking wrong. Goalies are in need of coaching at the NHL level more so than at any other level. They can dominate at lower levels purely off of skill, talent, and athleticism. With advanced scouting and the amount of video sessions that NHL players do, they know every weakness of every goalie in the league. Good coaching to fill holes in their play is beyond critical.

You said "Goalies have it figured out or not". Obviously, even the ones who do have it "figured out" still use goalie coaches.

Tells me a goalie coach is important to a goalie. It's important enough that Martin Brodeur still uses one even though he's been playing for 20 years. If he had it all "figured out", why would he need a goalie coach?

MRandall25 wrote:Again, a new goalie coach could do wonders for Fleury.

Hopefully they find a good one.

Goalies either have it figured out or not by this age. Fleury is what he is and it's not going to change.

This is 100% freaking wrong. Goalies are in need of coaching at the NHL level more so than at any other level. They can dominate at lower levels purely off of skill, talent, and athleticism. With advanced scouting and the amount of video sessions that NHL players do, they know every weakness of every goalie in the league. Good coaching to fill holes in their play is beyond critical.

What amount of scouting, film review, or any other technical analysis of goaltending is going to fix his mental fragility?

MRandall25 wrote:Again, a new goalie coach could do wonders for Fleury.

Hopefully they find a good one.

Goalies either have it figured out or not by this age. Fleury is what he is and it's not going to change.

This is 100% freaking wrong. Goalies are in need of coaching at the NHL level more so than at any other level. They can dominate at lower levels purely off of skill, talent, and athleticism. With advanced scouting and the amount of video sessions that NHL players do, they know every weakness of every goalie in the league. Good coaching to fill holes in their play is beyond critical.

What amount of scouting, film review, or any other technical analysis of goaltending is going to fix his mental fragility?

A fresh new outlook and having someone who would be able to help him navigate and handle these high pressure situations would go a long way in helping him grow.

Many goaltenders don't break out until later in their careers. He's only 28. If you can trade him and get a Jonathan Bernier to replace him (not in the same deal), fine. But to write him off now is just irresponsible and just stupid.

Irresponsible and stupid, k. I'm sure a Patrick Roy like career renaissance is right around the corner.

I'm basing my opinion on performance and statistical fact, not some pie in the sky hope that if he goes on prozac or watches more film, he's going to turn into some world-beater goalie. He's just not that good, period.

MRandall25 wrote:Again, a new goalie coach could do wonders for Fleury.

Hopefully they find a good one.

Goalies either have it figured out or not by this age. Fleury is what he is and it's not going to change.

This is 100% freaking wrong. Goalies are in need of coaching at the NHL level more so than at any other level. They can dominate at lower levels purely off of skill, talent, and athleticism. With advanced scouting and the amount of video sessions that NHL players do, they know every weakness of every goalie in the league. Good coaching to fill holes in their play is beyond critical.

What amount of scouting, film review, or any other technical analysis of goaltending is going to fix his mental fragility?

And with all of these goalies that really turned great around the 30 mark, you could see flashes of brilliance and the progression to eventual greatness. That's not the case with Fleury. He has shown consistently over the past 4 years that he's just not that great of a goalie. People look way too into this, when the answer is very simple.

Getting To My Game wrote:And with all of these goalies that really turned great around the 30 mark, you could see flashes of brilliance and the progression to eventual greatness. That's not the case with Fleury. He has shown consistently over the past 4 years that he's just not that great of a goalie. People look way too into this, when the answer is very simple.

Are you serious? You haven't seen any flashes of greatness in Fleury? If you haven't, you just don't know hockey.

Penguins fans are the only ones who talk about this greatness that Fleury has, all other NHL fans rightfully have the opinion that he sucks.

I think you are reading what you want to read and not what is actually being written. All we are saying is that he's shown the ability to be great and goaltending coaches are extremely important. That's all.

Penguins fans are the only ones who talk about this greatness that Fleury has, all other NHL fans rightfully have the opinion that he sucks.

I think you are reading what you want to read and not what is actually being written. All we are saying is that he's shown the ability to be great and goaltending coaches are extremely important. That's all.

And if I can add, history has shown that goaltenders tend to blossom later in age (late 20s).