Friday, March 04, 2011

A just and orderly immigration policy in Sweden?

The Swedish political class is at it again, this time on the issue of immigration. Four parties, the Christian Democrats, the Liberal Party, the Moderates and the Centre Party, have made an "historic" agreement to create a "just and orderly" migration policy.

Their idea of "just and orderly" is to allow illegal immigrants (i.e. those who have moved to the country without seeking a residency permit) to receive education, health services and even to start businesses.

Not only will this open the gates to large scale illegal immigration, it also means that those declared by one arm of the state to be breaking the law will be supported in doing so by other arms of the state.

This is how the Swedish Prime Minister, Fredrik Reinfeldt, announced the new policy:

We who believe that people should be free to move across borders and seek a better life somewhere else have made this agreement.

An open borders PM. And what about this statement from the Centre Party:

Centre Party leader and Industry Minister Maud Olofsson said that the deal would also allow illegal immigrants to start companies:

"We have now included in the agreement that it should be easy to come to Sweden regardless of whether you are a businessperson or an employee," she said.

What's interesting is that it's the more right-liberal parties who are pushing the open borders policy. The Social Democrats and the Left Party haven't signed on, apparently because they don't accept an unrestricted flow of labour into Sweden:

Reinfeldt explained that the Social Democrats and the Left Party were not part of the agreement due to different views on the subject of labour migration.

“This agreement is very much in line with our pro-work policies and therefore it’s not possible for the Social Democrats and the Left to cooperate. My impression is that the Social Democrats have been against people coming here to find work. Work is essential to me,” he said.

There is also opposition from the Sweden Democrats, a nationalist party I don't know a great deal about:

Sweden Democrat leader Jimmie Åkesson believes the new agreement will have the opposite effect, giving Sweden an even more extreme immigration policy, something which he expects will benefit his party.

"We are getting yet another debate which will benefit us in the long run. The question is whether there is a popular mandate for these policies. I don’t think there is," he told TT.

He is right to emphasise that the policy is extreme. It is yet another expression of an open borders mentality which will erase the historic Swedish identity.

Take note of the attitude of the Swedish 'political class'. It is one of malice and indifference - the latter, of course, being the opposite of love.

That is, the 'political class' clearly want the historic Swedish nation (ethnic) and national identity erased and destroyed. But notice how these 'leaders' seem NEVER to be directly challenged on the issue: Not in their parliament, not in an interview, not by any Christian church authorities, nothing. Notice, too, in their great "democratic" system the political leaders NEVER allow the Swedish people to control immigration policy.

"What's interesting is that it's the more right-liberal parties who are pushing the open borders policy"

I ran into Bronwyn Bishop last night, who is a Thatcherite Liberal party politician. She explained the role of the Liberal party as one of fighting socialist collectivism and encouraging free enterprise and individualism. Bishop is a hard cookie and not a leftie whimp, nonetheless in this day and age this seems to be an obviously mistaken focus. I pointed out that many people vote Liberal not out of a desire to see individualism or free enterprise promoted but because the Liberal party is also the conservative party in Australia and we want to see those sort of policies promoted. She was sympathetic to my position because conservatives form a large base of her voters and she would also be considered to be a social conservative, nonetheless it seems the penny hasn't dropped yet.

""We who believe that people should be free to move across borders and seek a better life somewhere else have made this agreement.""

Then why have a country? Why have borders?

Jesse_7 said...

""She was sympathetic to my position because conservatives form a large base of her voters""

Well done Jesse, most of those lib party folks are fools, but not idiots. If enough people talk to their MP face to face about such issues it has a hell of a lot more of an effect than doing nothing at all.

She's still fighting the battles of the 80's where free enterprise and individualism were important areas of difference from the communists/socialists. Nonetheless our societies have moved on and our politics have to as well.

""Nonetheless our societies have moved on and our politics have to as well.""

You can see this in the Liberal "moderates" arguments within the party with far fetched prophecies of legions of middle class Asian and other immigrant voters if only they could ditch the "racism" image by being more multi than the multis.

The fact that they must be "racist" in the elites eyes to serve their allocated part as the evil backdrop for leftist righteousness never seems to sink in.

Turnbulls desperate sucking up to the ABC and subsequent shock when they turned on him during the Ozcar scandal was something to behold.

I pointed out that many people vote Liberal not out of a desire to see individualism or free enterprise promoted but because the Liberal party is also the conservative party in Australia and we want to see those sort of policies promoted.

Jesse, I'll add my commendation for your making this argument to Bronwyn Bishop. I do something similar with the local Liberal Party candidates at election time, but it's good to hear that you used your opportunity so well with a more senior Liberal Party figure.

The various options for confirming someone's identity will be improved, with one option being the use of DNA matching technologies.

The new agreement may cost up to 1.7 billion kronor ($267 million) and will have "significant effects on public finances", although it remains difficult to give an exact cost before knowing how many illegal immigrants that will be starting school and are in need medical care.

Translation: We will swamp the country with non-whites to ensure that white Sweden never rises again. Also, this will ensure that we will maintain power.

Wetterstrand said Sweden would avoid 'heading in the wrong direction.'

Translation: We will prevent Sweden from reclaiming it's pride in being Swedish

Haggenlund said "ensured that the Sweden Democrats won't have any influence over immigration policy moving forward"

Translation: Resistance is Futile

And you know what....They are right. Because in the United States whites never have the guts to be mean to non-whites. I'm polite to everyone I meet, asian, indian, mexican, black. And you know what....The politicians KNOW that I will be polite to anyone I meet. That I won't ignore them, or be mean.

But guess what politicians.....I did step one so far....I cut ties with all my non-white friends (and my life is better for it)

Step 2 is moving to an all-white neighborhood.

Step 3 is making sure politicians never take our country again and never try to commit white genocide.

Secession will come and the treasonous politicians will remain in their newly created Third World Cesspools.

That's all well and good but good luck moving to an all-white country. You can rant and moan but resistance isn't futile. If you're polite to people that's always a good strategy, especially with anti-discrimination laws in place, however, that doesn't mean that you have to roll over and take any crap. If we get white people to acknowledge the importance of closing the door and push for it, that will be a hell of a good step.

"He is right to emphasise that the policy is extreme. It is yet another expression of an open borders mentality which will erase the historic Swedish identity."

Maybe I'm right that I'm going to marry a Christian man of the same descent as my mother and have a child through a fertility clinic (sperm donor will be of my father's descent) after having my first or second child with my husband. I'm guessing I'm doing the right thing.

You're posting on a conservative blog so I don't know what you want us to say to that. As for Anonymous, who is another young woman, there are a whole lot of steps in between now and some white secession, which should be attempted first. I do wish you guys would think a little more before posting, or else perhaps post on a female dominated site which is likely to be more sympathetic to your concerns.

Elisabeth, traditionally the children bear their father's name and are counted in the father's lineage, at least in truly patriarchal societies, though Jews have a different custom. So I think you should cast your lot with your father's people.

I can relate to your problems being a woman who has married a man from another country, though of the same race and cultural heritage. Sometimes I ask myself where do I belong but my husband always reminds me that by being married to him I made my choice. It's not good to have a divided loyalty. You should make your choice and stick with it, hard though it may be.

I don't mean to be rude. Here are a few considerations. How would your last baby get on with your husband who wouldn't be his biological father? How would he or she get on with his siblings? How would he go not knowing, or ever meeting his biological father? How would your husband react to having a child in the family who wasn't his but also was conceived deliberately apart from him during his marriage? This is a designer baby you're talking about and you're doing it out of a sense of loyalty to your father and desire to maintain both sides of your heritage.

If you marry a white man your children will be partly black, so you’ll be able to maintain your heritage that way and vice versa if you marry a black man. You can then educate and teach them about their and your heritage.

You have to think about the entirety of the consequences of your action. Without overstepping the mark this seems to be an argument as to why women’s desires shouldn’t be paramount in such matters.

Dude Jesse I haven't posted on this site for months and I have a right to be insanely upset over Sweden (and u don't have to call me out for being a girl especially when I'm posting anonymously and not attacking you in any way...In fact congrats on talking to the Australian politician.) Don't lump me in with Elizabeth and her off-topic comment.

Furthermore, it's obvious here in the states that no political action will work.

The only chance is secession.

What's valid in Oz, may not be valid in America anymore.

In the US, we've moved way past anything that will still work in Oz. Remember, white kids under 5 are now at 50% according to official statistics (which tend to overestimate).

Also, posting on this blog isn't an essay writing contest. For me it's cathartic so when I go out I don't start screaming "Sweden is going to be overrun by Somalians!" (which is what I really want to do badly...knock on my neighbors doors and make them read OzCon)

Next time I post you won't know it'll be me so you won't call me out as a woman. There is an honor code you know.

I don't think the argument for secession is out of line, though I agree that it shouldn't be pursued at the cost of attempting changes to the existing society.

The two shouldn't be set againt each other. We're at the stage of building up influence. Once we make some more progress we can then assess what realistically can be achieved.

Personally, I'm for attempting both. My ideal would be to have a grass roots movement in the cities, which would support both political campaigns to reform government policy and the establishment of "traditionalist hubs" in some place or places around Australia. The hubs would be important long term in providing institutional support and stability for an ongoing traditionalism.

You've been a terrific contributor to the site and I hope you continue to be so.

I'm sorry you've been put in such a difficult position. I don't like your donor plan. I think the advice of choosing one identity and sticking to it is the best one.

You probably need to consider what identity will be easiest for your future children to hold to. What are they most likely to look like? What might they take pride in or have a positive attitude toward etc. Those are questions that you yourself are in the best position to answer.

I am sympathetic, Elizabeth. A lot of the kids in my neighborhood are in a similar situation, and it was in part through contemplating their situation that I have developed such a strong interest in the subject as well.

Mr. Richardson wrote, "You probably need to consider what identity will be easiest for your future children to hold to. What are they most likely to look like? What might they take pride in or have a positive attitude toward etc. Those are questions that you yourself are in the best position to answer."

This seems reasonable. If we value cohesion and a sense of belonging, then it's important that those we're around adhere to us and feel that we belong to them too. And I concur that it falls to you and their father to help them sort through all of that. May our Lord guide you.

"I don't mean to be rude. Here are a few considerations. How would your last baby get on with your husband who wouldn't be his biological father?"

I would be his mother and my father has a lot of brothers (10 siblings in total) so one of them can be a major influence on the baby.

"How would he or she get on with his siblings? How would he go not knowing, or ever meeting his biological father?"

On one hand he would feel betrayed that he doesn't have more siblings that look like him and from his blood yes but I'm not sure if I will keep him from knowing his biological father.

"How would your husband react to having a child in the family who wasn't his but also was conceived deliberately apart from him during his marriage?"

I'm in the process of starting to look for a husband and this will be said sooner or later before we marry. If he doesn't agree he could just walk away.

"This is a designer baby you're talking about and you're doing it out of a sense of loyalty to your father and desire to maintain both sides of your heritage."

Yes.

"If you marry a white man your children will be partly black, so you’ll be able to maintain your heritage that way and vice versa if you marry a black man.You can then educate and teach them about their and your heritage."

They will only be a quarter of my father or my mother's blood. They will be nearly of one descent or another (3/4).

"You have to think about the entirety of the consequences of your action. Without overstepping the mark this seems to be an argument as to why women’s desires shouldn’t be paramount in such matters."

I'm thinking about the consequences of my actions. The other day I saw a mixed woman like me and her children looked completely of her mother's descent since she married a man like that and I also saw another mixed woman like me and her children looked looked nearly like the descent of her father's blood. The only ones who didn't look like that were the mixed women who married other mixed men.

"You probably need to consider what identity will be easiest for your future children to hold to. What are they most likely to look like? What might they take pride in or have a positive attitude toward etc. Those are questions that you yourself are in the best position to answer."

The identity most easiest for my children is either my mother's blood or my father's blood.

"I'm sorry you've been put in such a difficult position. I don't like your donor plan. I think the advice of choosing one identity and sticking to it is the best one."

I thought of at first and then changed my mind. My mother for example is an only child so what do I do? I've talked to my siblings and I don't know what will be the race of their future husband or wife (if they will marry the descent of my father) so what do I do? My mother doesn't like my donor plan either even though she's sympathetic that I may marry a man who is of the same descent as her.

"Maybe I'm right that I'm going to marry a Christian man of the same descent as my mother and have a child through a fertility clinic (sperm donor will be of my father's descent) after having my first or second child with my husband. I'm guessing I'm doing the right thing."

Listen, young Lady, you will need to get a man to marry you first.

Sorry to be blunt, but with short sighted notions, such as the the one you espouse, above, I highly doubt that you will.

Anyway, you are failing to see how all this would impact on the first sperm donor (your husband.)

Hmmm..

All to clinical for me..

I mean.. Where is the love in all this girl???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-T1yNZxe5g

For goodness sake! You are far too serious for an eighteen year old Liz...

"Sorry to be blunt, but with short sighted notions, such as the the one you espouse, above, I highly doubt that you will. Anyway, you are failing to see how all this would impact on the first sperm donor (your husband.)"

I'm going to tell this to the man before we get married so if he doesn't agree he can leave.

"Last point then I'll leave you alone I promise. How would you feel if a man came to you with the same plan and expected you to raise and love another woman's child?"

Odd unless he was widowed or something similar. Or if the child was adopted then okay too. If was divorced then that is an entire different manner. Maybe if I had children of my own and was alone (husband died or something) then I get I would tolerate it. Otherwise no.

"Jesse.. Liz is a smart girl...But she is STILL only eighteen.. Her outlook will change over time.."

With so many girls giving it away for free, how do you grab a high quality man? How do you keep him around a bit before sex so that he has a chance of hanging around longer?

I tend to see things from the male perspective [amazingly], but liberal society is not exactly making things happy-clappy with women who want a hubby early who is not a watered down beta nothing.

Yes it is very easy for a woman to get a nice guy and drag him along as a doe-eyed slave, but who wants that?

Women compete for the best blokes for a reason, in an evolutionary sense the woman always has more to lose so she is the one who has had the "careful" gene put in to discourage hooking up with low value males.

But with casual sex so readily available how the hell do you tie down a man with massive options to only one woman?

Most girls try sex, amazingly enough it does not work.

I am young as well [mid 20's is still young... shut up!] and I don't worry about having sons, even with the dice weighted against them I know i can bring up a boy to be a good and well rounded man.

How the hell do you do the same with a daughter these days? Mark what advice would you give? As a parent how would you teach a daughter not to end up being a sad used sex doll?

I was referring to asking your wife to raise your bastard child sired during your marriage, this must be different from the situation where children from earlier relationships are raised.

In relation to your second point, one thing I've noticed is a general frustration around young women these days. They want it all and cut the shits if they can't have it. Many of them also realise that this might be destructive and unwarranted behavior in certain circumstances and yet they don't know how else to behave. This is a product I think of lefties saying that everything that took place before was wrong, and at the same time not giving them workable models within which to live, as well as liberal individualism saying that your impulses are always right. I think its a confusing time to be a woman.

If I were a man raising a daughter I would encourage her to embrace the feminine virtues, whilst at the same time doing her best to engage in the male sphere, eg work, without becoming intolerable. Why work? Well I think its very life affirming and in the modern individualized world its one of the ways to embrace community and constructive behavior. I would also want her to stand in a good position vis a vis skills, should her husband decide to leave her, or act in an intolerable manner.

"With so many girls giving it away for free, how do you grab a high quality man? How do you keep him around a bit before sex so that he has a chance of hanging around longer?"

I'm a Christian and seeking a Christian man. Both of us will be virgins at marriage probably.

"I tend to see things from the male perspective [amazingly], but liberal society is not exactly making things happy-clappy with women who want a hubby early who is not a watered down beta nothing."

Good point. Nevertheless not all alphas are marriage material. Grerp has recently talked about some alphas having harems and how women like me have to avoid them --- grerp.blogspot.com/2011/03/piece-of-advice-90-dont-sign-up-to-be.html

Hopefully I will snatch a man that is a mixture of "beta" and "alpha".

"Most girls try sex, amazingly enough it does not work."

Full of Grace and Salt blogged about this --- fullofgraceseasonedwithsalt.blogspot.com/2011/02/women-take-look-in-mirror.html

The situation is pretty sad for them. Thankfully my family is conservative Christian and I'm not in this situation.

Women should settle for balance or a few things instead and not everything at once or everything. They can't have it all.

Not to mention they have no other models so what do they do? They also can't do other paths without being questioned or condemned.

"This is a product I think of lefties saying that everything that took place before was wrong, and at the same time not giving them workable models within which to live, as well as liberal individualism saying that your impulses are always right. I think its a confusing time to be a woman."

Very much.

"If I were a man raising a daughter I would encourage her to embrace the feminine virtues, whilst at the same time doing her best to engage in the male sphere, eg work, without becoming intolerable."

I believe part-time work is the best option. I'm thinking of doing this.