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Re: Challenges / Sign-Ups / Holiday Games ideas thread.

Right, well basically this is a brief description of this 'Premier League Chairman' sign-up idea i've been working on for the past few days, i'm sure that I will get the interest, but obviously I want the interest from regular posters. It probably wont be launched until my current sign-up is completed, which will hopefully be around February time.

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Premier League Take-Over, You’re The Owner!

Ever wondered what it would be like to be Roman Abramovich?

Ever wanted to set a club their transfer/wage budget?

Ever thought ‘if I was the chairman I’d definitely improve the stadium/other facilities’

Ever imagined how the Chairman feels about his/her clubs performance?

Or do you just want to have the power to say “YOU’RE FIRED” to your clubs manager?

If so, this is the ultimate sign-up for you!

In this sign-up you will get to find out about all of the above, whilst competing with 19 other chairmen to take your club to the ultimate riches of the Premier League, and then the Champions League and so on. There isn’t a point system to this sign-up as to be honest, I’ve had enough of ‘point systems’ and believe this sign-up should just be about passion, power and success!
The Brief -

You are a very wealthy man/woman, and after all 20 of the Premier League chairmen were sacked following horrific allegations over potential match fixing, you and 19 other wealthy men/women will be rescuing England’s finest. You have been given a budget of 300M to spend on buying a club, and hiring a manager for the club. Please bare in mind that whatever money you have leftover from these purchases will go towards your starting transfer/wage budgets. For any crafty people out there (most probably people like canvey!!) if you have discovered the potential way of taking advantage of this rule, which would be picking the best team, and then the cheapest manager, then sacking him straight away and instantly getting a better replacement, please bare in mind that you cannot sack a manager until the end of the first season.

FAQ –

If my manager is sacked by the AI, what happens? – If your manager is sacked by the AI, then you will obviously get a new manager. You will also be compensated by the FA with £10M.

What if the AI automatically upgrades facilities/stadium? – If your facilities/stadium is automatically updated then first off all, you will be able to keep the upgrade. Your finances will presumably automatically drop a bit due to the facilities/stadium being upgraded, but apart from this nothing will happen. You could look at this situation as being lucky, or unlucky, it’s your choice.

What if my manager resigns, or takes another job? – If your manager resigns, or takes another job the following will happen. If your manager just resigns, not to take over a new club then you will be compensated with £10M by the FA. If your manager resigns to takeover a club that is not part of this sign-up, then you will compensated with £20M. If your manager resigns to take-over a club managed by a fellow chairman, that club will have to pay you £15M, and the FA will also have to pay you £15M.

How do I keep my manager? – At the end of each season, you will have an option to give your manager a new contract.

How do I upgrade/downgrade facilities/stadium? – At the end of each season, using the funds the club has, you will be able to spend on upgrading/downgrading your facilities and stadium. Once you have finished doing so, the money you have remaining will again be the clubs transfer/wage budget for the following season.

What happens if my club is relegated? – Obviously each season 3 clubs will inevitably be relegated. Basically, your clubs progress is still followed and you will have exactly the same options as everybody else. The only down-side is the fact until you are promoted again you will probably have less funds each year to improve things and/or have better transfer/wage budgets.

Can I sell the club and buy another one? – No, once you have bought a club, that is your club for the remainder of the sign-up.

How do I sack the manager? – If you feel your manager is not doing well, underachieving, doing more harm than good for the club or you just don’t want him as manager anymore and want a chance, then of course you can sack him. The rules with this are basically. You can’t sack a manager until the end of season 1. In the seasons following this, you can sack a manager at any time during the season providing he has been at the club for at least 6 months. Please bare in mind you have no control over who the new manager will be, so if you get a crap manager, then don’t blame me.

Will I be able to buy players? – No, you cannot buy players, only your manager can do this. However you can of course convince the manager to sign better players by giving him a higher transfer/wage budget.

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Basically i'd like input from people in here over what I could improve, if you'd be interested and definitely any questions I could add to the FAQ

Re: Challenges / Sign-Ups / Holiday Games ideas thread.

Now that the patch is out I'm gonna start taking names for the Survivor Edition, ability doesn't really matter (except for very basic maths skills ) but I only want regular posters that co-operate with each other without it turning into an argument, I also don't want anyone with a history of hit 'n' run in the sign up. 12 places are available so I'll put the list up here:

Re: Challenges / Sign-Ups / Holiday Games ideas thread.

Originally Posted by roberto922

Now that the patch is out I'm gonna start taking names for the Survivor Edition, ability doesn't really matter (except for very basic maths skills ) but I only want regular posters that co-operate with each other without it turning into an argument, I also don't want anyone with a history of hit 'n' run in the sign up. 12 places are available so I'll put the list up here:

Re: Challenges / Sign-Ups / Holiday Games ideas thread.

Re: Challenges / Sign-Ups / Holiday Games ideas thread.

I'm currently editing my database for a new AI experiment I am preparing to run. I will release full details at a later date, but what I need now, is a list of the best managers in the World of Football. I need 12 and have currently got 2 who I am certain should be on the list. It's essential that I get the best managers so the experiment will be most effective. Any help would be massively appreciated. So far I have 2 certainties, who are as follows...

Some others i am thinking of are, Marcelo Lippi, David Moyes, Rafa Benitez, Arsene Wenger, Ottmar Hitzfeld, Dario Gradi, Fabio Capello, Gordon Strachan, Martin O'Neill, Slaven Bilic, Graeme Souness, Harry Redknapp, Manuel José (Egypt's Al-Ahly manager), Maurizio Trombetta, Louis van Gaal, Giovanni Trapattoni, Carlo Ancellotti, Sven Goran Errikson, Dunga, Luiz Felipe Scolari, Zico and Mark Hughes.
Most of those were taken from A list on the Football Forum, So don't go crazy at me if there are some White Elephants are there.
I am quite keen to add one or two manages who are a little lesser known as it would give people a chance to realise there are great managers that are managing outside of Europe. Someone like Manuel Jose or Aurelio Vidmar fit the bill perfectly.

So guy's just add to that list and hopefully I'll have 12 of the best managers in the World within a couple of days, So the AI experiment can begin!

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Re: Challenges / Sign-Ups / Holiday Games ideas thread.

Originally Posted by roberto922
Now that the patch is out I'm gonna start taking names for the Survivor Edition, ability doesn't really matter (except for very basic maths skills ) but I only want regular posters that co-operate with each other without it turning into an argument, I also don't want anyone with a history of hit 'n' run in the sign up. 12 places are available so I'll put the list up here:

Re: Challenges / Sign-Ups / Holiday Games ideas thread.

Re: Challenges / Sign-Ups / Holiday Games ideas thread.

Just seen the 'SI Community Challenge #1' - good idea and the obvious choice to start with. Maybe an edit to include a paragraph at the start explaining exactly what the Community Challenges are/are intended to be would be useful (plus a link to this forum for those interested in further challenges )

Re: Challenges / Sign-Ups / Holiday Games ideas thread.

Originally Posted by DodgeeD

Just seen the 'SI Community Challenge #1' - good idea and the obvious choice to start with. Maybe an edit to include a paragraph at the start explaining exactly what the Community Challenges are/are intended to be would be useful (plus a link to this forum for those interested in further challenges )

What Big D said. Especially the last part.

Are there just going to be a long line of stickies with SI Community Challenge #1, #2, etc.? Or just one sticky thread with all the challenges?

Re: Challenges / Sign-Ups / Holiday Games ideas thread.

I have an idea for an AI Experiment, and I need a volunteer to help run it. The job will at first be time consuming but then easy. Initially, you'll need to put in two hours or so, and then it will flow.

The Experiment will be based around a simple question: if the money poured out of Europe and into South America, what would happen?

The obvious answer is that the European leagues would become feeders for Brazil etc., but in reality, there aren't as many players in England as in Brazil, and youth facilities are worse (in game), so it could be very interesting.

Re: Challenges / Sign-Ups / Holiday Games ideas thread.

I thought of a challenge involving sticking an empty team in the Premiership, with around 50M, and you had to build a team with just Transfer Listed players, Loan Signings, and Free Agents. You'd then have to go on to win the league and champions league (obviously not in the first season, and relegations and such were allowed)

Re: Challenges / Sign-Ups / Holiday Games ideas thread.

Here's an idea that came about after one of my wingers scored an absolute peach of a goal:

The CSE Goal Of The Week/Month

Now that we have our games in glorious 3D, I wondered if something like this would be possible/workable. Users could submit PKMs or video clips of goals for consideration. The winners could be chosen either by panel or vote.

There are a couple of problems I forsee so any ideas on working around them would be appreciated:
- How to 'record' the goals. Videos of the monitor would be too low quality so are there any other ways to get videos of them? Or would looking at PKMs be the only option?
- How to vet the submissions. If the idea takes off, the thread could end up being swamped with nominations. My main idea around that atm is to have a window for submitting goals (say a few hours on a Sunday).

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Re: Challenges / Sign-Ups / Holiday Games ideas thread.

Originally Posted by DodgeeD

Here's an idea that came about after one of my wingers scored an absolute peach of a goal:

The CSE Goal Of The Week/Month

Now that we have our games in glorious 3D, I wondered if something like this would be possible/workable. Users could submit PKMs or video clips of goals for consideration. The winners could be chosen either by panel or vote.

There are a couple of problems I forsee so any ideas on working around them would be appreciated:
- How to 'record' the goals. Videos of the monitor would be too low quality so are there any other ways to get videos of them? Or would looking at PKMs be the only option?
- How to vet the submissions. If the idea takes off, the thread could end up being swamped with nominations. My main idea around that atm is to have a window for submitting goals (say a few hours on a Sunday).

What do you think?

There are various screen capture programs around that record video.
I'd love to take part, but I can't use the 3d, so I don't know which are my very best goals.

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Re: Challenges / Sign-Ups / Holiday Games ideas thread.

Originally Posted by PaulHartman71

I thought of a challenge involving sticking an empty team in the Premiership, with around 50M, and you had to build a team with just Transfer Listed players, Loan Signings, and Free Agents. You'd then have to go on to win the league and champions league (obviously not in the first season, and relegations and such were allowed)

I like that idea, it's very wheeler-dealerish. Would be tough in the first season, but should get easier as it goes on.

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Re: Challenges / Sign-Ups / Holiday Games ideas thread.

To complete my hattrick of consecutive posts, I just remembered I haven't yet started my Attributes Experiment. I must get on and start that, I'm eager to know if Long throws are more important than corners.

Re: Challenges / Sign-Ups / Holiday Games ideas thread.

Originally Posted by DodgeeD

Here's an idea that came about after one of my wingers scored an absolute peach of a goal:

The CSE Goal Of The Week/Month

Now that we have our games in glorious 3D, I wondered if something like this would be possible/workable. Users could submit PKMs or video clips of goals for consideration. The winners could be chosen either by panel or vote.

There are a couple of problems I forsee so any ideas on working around them would be appreciated:
- How to 'record' the goals. Videos of the monitor would be too low quality so are there any other ways to get videos of them? Or would looking at PKMs be the only option?
- How to vet the submissions. If the idea takes off, the thread could end up being swamped with nominations. My main idea around that atm is to have a window for submitting goals (say a few hours on a Sunday).

What do you think?

Great idea

Loked puts good looking videos in his sign up thread, maybe he could help you out?

Re: Challenges / Sign-Ups / Holiday Games ideas thread.

Originally Posted by dafuge

Great idea

Loked puts good looking videos in his sign up thread, maybe he could help you out?

Cool. I'll PM him about it later.

Some further ideas I had while mulling it over today (while waiting around shopping centres holding the bags and coats during last minute Christmas shopping....):
- in order to put some standard limit on the submissions, perhaps we could say the goal must have earned a goal of the week/month/season award in the game. I was also thinking of 1 submission per user per week.
- depending on the format of the videos, I could make a top three mix and post it on a purpose made YouTube/MySpace channel with links to each set of winners in the OP.
- the ultimate aim would then be to have a forum-wide vote before the FM10 release for the best goal of all from FM09 (could be part of the CSE awards or could be done seperately).

Re: Challenges / Sign-Ups / Holiday Games ideas thread.

Create a club world champion

My idea for a sign up is a create a club idea (originally thought upby ridleys who I have asked permission to make this and he agreed thanks) in Soulth America where the ultimate goal would be for your club to win the club world championship. There would be 4 created clubs in each of the following leagues argenbtina brasil columbia chille and uruguay starting in the second division of each of these leagues. I would then follow the clubs progress up the leagues and into the copa litabores(sp?) and eventually to the club world championship.

What are your opinions on this and would you be interested in joining?

Re: Challenges / Sign-Ups / Holiday Games ideas thread.

Originally Posted by mikeytwigge

Create a club world champion

My idea for a sign up is a create a club idea (originally thought upby ridleys who I have asked permission to make this and he agreed thanks) in Soulth America where the ultimate goal would be for your club to win the club world championship. There would be 4 created clubs in each of the following leagues argenbtina brasil columbia chille and uruguay starting in the second division of each of these leagues. I would then follow the clubs progress up the leagues and into the copa litabores(sp?) and eventually to the club world championship.

What are your opinions on this and would you be interested in joining?

Looks good

I'd definitely be interested.

So members are going to make up the players for 4 teams?! That's a lot of work for you.

Re: Challenges / Sign-Ups / Holiday Games ideas thread.

I am using Hypercam, my first video was really average, but the second time around it was better. Just trying to work out the best way to get a stunning video quality, but I think it means paying for software to make it better

Re: Challenges / Sign-Ups / Holiday Games ideas thread.

The Manchester City Sign-Up

The Manchester City board have decided to strike a deal with Swiss scientists. They have just bought 22 genetically engineered 16 year olds from them. These 16 year olds have been touted as possibly the next generation of football, and the next generation of science. Will they become successes? Will they flop? Will Man. City keep onto them if they become superstars?

Re: Challenges / Sign-Ups / Holiday Games ideas thread.

Maybe switch the team, AFC Wimbledon maybe? Man City don't need extra help, at least they have the billions to get everyone.

Oh, and I'm thinking of starting a FM09 A New World Signup (FM08 version here), but I'm having a bit of trouble deleting players, the delete selected item is greyed out . I also Pm'ed DietSpam, who made the FM08 no player database...and will probably post in the Editors Hideaway soon.

What I'm asking you CSE-ers to do is something simple: I plan to put all the players (and this amount will be limited) onto the same national team, but I'm stumped on which national team to choose, preferably one in Europe. So please help me on that. More details to come later.

Re: Challenges / Sign-Ups / Holiday Games ideas thread.

Right then. My current sign-up has not been a hit, at all.

So I'm here to ask all of you, what you would want in a sign-up. Just need a few ideas to find me something that will get a lot of interest and something which won't take me 3 hours to do an update that nobody is interested in.

Re: Challenges / Sign-Ups / Holiday Games ideas thread.

I think a good one is always something where you might have an experiment in line with it as well So its got a plan of why you are doing it, or even something as simple as being completely different. If I am signing up generally I like for it to be different to something else I am in. Then again currently I am signed up to as many as I am going to right now as I feel I have to be able to commit time to reading all the updates and posting at least a reply to them as well, if not being able to include my own mini commentary or such.

Re: Challenges / Sign-Ups / Holiday Games ideas thread.

I was thinking about something following what seems like the end of fantasy football due to it involving way too much for the responses it was getting, my idea isn't one for a particular sign up etc. but more along the lines of tackling the fact that 99% of sign ups and experiments end very prematurely.

Basically I was thinking why don't people team up more often? For example one of them does the DB and then uploads it for the other person, then the next person does the first update (or a set number of updates) and then uploads the appropriate files for his teammate to download and do the next update/batch of updates. This would obviously be aimed more at the demanding sign ups and experiments or towards forumers that want to do experiments/signups but don't have enough time to do them themselves. In my opinion it would ensure that signups etc. last longer and a higher percentage reach the end, it would of course depend on the forumers working well together, co-operating, being fairly punctual etc. and would (in my opinion) improve the forums as a whole.

Just let me know what you think, I've brought this up because theres sign-ups like fantasy football that are very enjoyable but are not being completed because of the time and effort taken to do each update which often results in forumers losing interest as the updates are taing upwards of a week to complete.

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I spose there is always that Mikey, hmmm lets work on some other ideas then. I still think an experiment type one could be the way to go, but you need an idea of what you want to investigate
I am taking a break from FM for a bit will get back to you

Re: Challenges / Sign-Ups / Holiday Games ideas thread.

the problem with fantasy football is the respoces you get from people are less likely to be banterish (if thats a word) and therefore i think that type of thing is always doomed to fail

I don't think any thread or type of thread is doomed to fail, it all depends upon the motivation and creativity of its author and, to a lesser extent, its posters. For example, a thriving component of WW's latest sign-up is users making up their own little newspaper snippets and posting them. If that's not creativity, I don't know what is.

However, banter is key to the threads. It's the reason the Off-Topic Thread got closed, and I think the sub-forum has generally benefited from that. The problem is, and I've said this in Ridley's thread too, that individualistic sign-ups where you focus on your own team and there is no gain to be had by taking an interest in the teams of others, aren't going to do as well.

With the Fantasy Football, forumers didn't have players specific to them: and their team wasn't competing against another (which is actually a really good idea if the Fantasy Football genre is done again), and all that it is really worth posting is comments to do with one's own team. Fantasy Football websites are very popular, but provoke little discussion. It's all about one's own results.

Threads with teams playing against each other and with a little part of the game that a user can identify with (e.g. a player of theirs) are much more likely to suceed, and originality is also a bonus. The Fantasy Football thing has been done countless times, not in an FM environment, but it is no novelty and that's another nail in its coffin.