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Some are canyons. Some are gullies. Some are gulches. and then there is ditchmond.

__________________The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth GalbraithWe must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented. Sometimes we must interfere.Elie Wiesel

Cal I applaud your tenacity and I am a Toronto lover too, but one block of a street does not make a canyon. The above video is an example of what could be, but filling in the rest of it with your imagination doesn't make it so. A canyon either exists or it doesn't.

Even saying Bay street is a canyon from the lake to north of Bloor is a bit of a stretch. The east side of Bay north of City Hall is a cliff for sure, but the west side never matches its consistency and height to be a real canyon. Sections of it work but others don't.

In my opinion Toronto has many short spurts that are canyon like, if you squint and don't think about what happens at the end of the next block (ahem... surface parking lot).

In my humble opinion, a canyon should stretch for many city blocks, have consistent height on both sides of the street and few if any setbacks.

Yep, Toronto has fewer actual canyons as one who think. There are a few complete blocks and a few more partials here or there but Corbusier's philosophy and unrealized 60s/70s redevelopment has certainly left its mark. The future is very bright with projects like 550 Wellington and Boutique.

Cal I applaud your tenacity and I am a Toronto lover too, but one block of a street does not make a canyon. The above video is an example of what could be, but filling in the rest of it with your imagination doesn't make it so. A canyon either exists or it doesn't.

Even saying Bay street is a canyon from the lake to north of Bloor is a bit of a stretch. The east side of Bay north of City Hall is a cliff for sure, but the west side never matches its consistency and height to be a real canyon. Sections of it work but others don't.

In my opinion Toronto has many short spurts that are canyon like, if you squint and don't think about what happens at the end of the next block (ahem... surface parking lot).

In my humble opinion, a canyon should stretch for many city blocks, have consistent height on both sides of the street and few if any setbacks.

why do you have to single me out, you could have singled out the others.. if Bay Street is not a canyon, then which of the other posted pictures is?

This is the Canada section, and in those terms, Bay street is the monster here..

why do you have to single me out, you could have singled out the others.. if Bay Street is not a canyon, then which of the other posted pictures is?

This is the Canada section, and in those terms, Bay street is the monster here..

Sorry if you feel persecuted, I wasn't singling you out as much as I was singling Toronto out. 90% of the proponents of Toronto's possible canyons have been either you or Ramako. Yours was just the most recent post. I was just stating my belief that Toronto is not a city of canyons, in my (admittedly personal) definition of canyon. Some of the Vancouver and Calgary and even Ottawa submissions more closely resemble what I constitute a canyon.

Toronto has a lot of tall crap, for that it is the hands down winner, but sporadic height doesn't make a canyon in my opinion.

That statement and your photos accomplishes the exact opposite Cal. They make you look stupid.... You are only showing ONE SIDE OF EACH STREET. That makes them cliffs not canyons. Anyone familiar with Toronto will agree with this.

The other side of the street of every example you show is either lower rise, spartan, empty lots or full of setbacks. Those are all great examples of Toronto's development... but not of canyons. Please photograph from the centerline of those same streets, showing both sides, so the rest of Canada can be the judge.

Just keepin' it real. Don't take it personally. You didn't build the stuff.