13 Mar 2018 08:27:27
What the hell is with these chants the 'Murderers' and 'Munich' chants. I've not noticed anybody really mention it and I feel it needs addressing, it's absolutely disgusting to say the least how low people feel they need to go. I'm all for banter and all that but afterall this is just football, it's entertainment we don't need stuff like this part of the game.

There's a bit of banter and then there's been sick in the head chanting such stuff, I'm not just blaming Utd fans but us as well, and City for the Munich chants. Do people have no respect anymore or what? People can get angry and let emotions get the better of them, people can get bitter over results etc but this stuff is horrendous.

There's children that go to these games, how are they meant to know it's bad, you'll find kids in the crowd with the atmosphere and all they may try and copy other people with their chants, they know no better but this is unnaceptable. Anybody who does such chants are nothing but scum and they should be ashamed of themselves.

Going to a football game is meant to be a pleasant experience, we don't want to be hearing stuff like that, I find it a shame I don't want to take my 2 sons to a Liverpool Utd game because of this, I don't want them around such disgusting behaviour, good people are missing out or having their days ruined because of these vile actions.

Imagine the poor families who lost people and yet they have to hear this at a football game? It's just horrible, shame on the people who feel it's ok to do it.

Salah

1.) 13 Mar 201813 Mar 2018 08:55:53
It has been mentioned on the United page.

2.) 13 Mar 201813 Mar 2018 09:15:34
There are just too many thugs in football stadiums, sadly. Look at the West Ham game. It got so bad that the owners had to be escorted off the premises and there were parents shielding their children as they quickly left the stadium.

Football fans are becoming an entitled group of scumbags who think they have the right to abuse players, officials, coaches, managers, opposition fans, and in more modern times the board room because "I pay for my ticket". Yeah, well they paid for THEIR club so get over it sunshine. Have an opinion and voice it respectfully, sure. Don't cross the line though.

This behaviour is frankly, unacceptable and I won't be taking my son to a competitive football game for a long, long time. The knuckle dragging, pot bellied, kebab gargling, ultras that think football is for local blokes between 18-50 who want to shout a lot of abuse, are ruining football. I'd rather take my son to Rugby or Tennis. I don't care what sport he chooses to like/ play, but I certainly won't be pushing football onto him because I'm embarrassed by the sport.

The greed from the top, the arrogance from the players, the pettiness from the managers, the lack of responsibility from the officials, and the aggression from the fans. Why do I want my children associating with a sport guilty of everything wrong with modern society?

{Ed001's Note - to be fair it has always been that way, rather than it is becoming bad.}

3.) 13 Mar 201813 Mar 2018 10:16:23
I just don't get it Ed001. The PAOK owner stormed onto the pitch with a bolstered gun the other day because the ref disallowed a goal. Batshuayi got subjected to monkey chants from fans less than a month ago. Bennel was allowed to abuse children for years and years.

All over the world football is proving it has the worst role models in world sport.

I've lose a little bit more faith in the game I love every single day. Sadly, I'm too hooked not to love football and Liverpool, but I'm seriously not sure I want to push to get my son or any future children involved in it. That's just the way the game has made me honestly feel 😔.

4.) 13 Mar 201813 Mar 2018 10:20:03
I completely 100% agree MK. I'm the same with my boys, I mean don't get me wrong one is only 7 months but the other 11 years old and he'd love to go to such a game (he's a Liverpool fan) but there's no chance I'm having him around such disgusting behaviour. Far too many thugs out there. I don't find it a safe environment for them and these chants from the fools don't make it a pleasant experience at all.

5.) 13 Mar 201813 Mar 2018 10:25:01
Ultimately Ed, it is always the people. It's a massive shame when there are good stories like the ones you shared about Salah and Robbo. Those stories just get buried in the controversy.

6.) 13 Mar 201813 Mar 2018 10:33:14
Sadly it's all nothing new but you can't ever just be okay with it. Speak out against it whenever you see it and when people try and act apologist about it ('it's okay to be attacking the directors box and storming the pitch because our club isn't doing very well in the league') fight back with logical words. These people endanger children because they don't like their new stadiums, think the opposition is boring to watch or want a referee to change their mind. They are a disgrace and whether in football or any other aspect of life, don't let them socially get away with it.

7.) 13 Mar 201813 Mar 2018 11:02:55
100 percent agree with the posts above
football fans a small degree are just letting down those who do not behave in this way.
West Ham should not be allowed to have that stadium as they have not only made the area very dangerous to be around in during match days but the travel home, overground, underground and local buses are not a nice place to be especially if they lose a game.

8.) 13 Mar 201813 Mar 2018 11:11:36
I once took my son to the Liverpool v Barcelona game at Wembley, he was 5 at the time.
As it was at Wembley he wanted to wear his England shirt which had Rooney on the back, I didn't think much of it as it was only a friendly game.

After the game a group of Liverpool fans started yelling abuse at him which carried on for a good couple minutes as we left the stadium, he was terrified and cried most the way home.

I have not taken him to a game since and he doesn't particularly want to go to one.

9.) 13 Mar 201813 Mar 2018 11:29:59
My god carra that's shocking to hear absolutely shocking! How people can do that to a 5 year old is beyond me or any fan for that matter but a child? it just goes to show how bad it is.

{Ed002's Note - There is increasing concern about the bahavior of fans again as it ramps up toward a World Cup. Key to everything will be the Russian authorities keeping their own supporters in check but a report from a Dutch jourmalist who works for a press agency has described how he found and got access to what is effectively a training camp for hooligans with living accommodation and gyms.}

10.) 13 Mar 201813 Mar 2018 11:31:36
That is shocking Carragold. I'm so sorry your lad had to endure that from so called Liverpool supporters. That's an absolute disgrace.

11.) 13 Mar 201813 Mar 2018 12:12:46
It's nothing new. Utd have been pretending to choke while we do aeroplane arms and crash for years. It's sick, I agree but the rivalry goes beyond rivalry. It is hatred. All this "why are we arguing with each other? We are all football fans. You have a very good midfield, it's better than ours" "yes, yes but your attack is brilliant" for gods sake it's utd. Any other team, I mean any, Everton, I can chat to and get along with but not utd, they can do one. I am praying for utd in the ucl next round, can't go all summer like this. F@#k that.

13.) 13 Mar 201813 Mar 2018 12:07:31
That's quite scary to think that such places even exist Ed2, stuff like this can destroy what should be an enjoyable event. At one point I'd of loved to of gone to a world cup game (never been to one) now I wouldn't be given a ticket and if I was it'd be flogged because of the behaviour of so many thugs at the games.

14.) 13 Mar 201813 Mar 2018 12:43:52
I think that clubs must take a much larger responsibility in tackling this sort of behaviour.

If I went to my local pub, spent the whole time I was there abusing the landlord, abusing the other punters, abusing the fruit machine for not giving out, and shouting at people about tragedies from their past I would be marched out and told never to return (probably via quick beating in the car park) .

We wouldn't tolerate people like that in our pub, so we shouldn't tolerate them at our club.

Anyone found to be chanting about Munich or Hilsborough or spouting any sort of abuse (actual abuse not just banter) should have their membership to the club revoked and be banned from the stadium for good. No mitigating circumstances, no second chance, just gone. There will always be enough people to fill the stadium and there are enough fans out there to not have to worry about annoying a few.

This idea of the clubs saying "oh there's nothing we can do they are outside the stadiums" is just utter nonsense. Get off your backsides and do something!

I mean West Ham are possibly the worst example. They get given a stadium for pennies and they don't even handle the security in the stadium themselves. I mean, seriously? Talk about absolving yourself of all responsibility.

The clubs need to do more to protect the fans who spend millions attending games, buying merchandise and paying for TV subscriptions. If they don't they will lose the very product they've been able to sell so well over the past 2 decades.

16.) 13 Mar 201813 Mar 2018 12:56:11
Out side my local, (football pub) the landlord had painted a massive target on the back wall of the beer garden. And the locals were practising throwing their white garden chairs. Next week they are playing fight the hose. (that's not beating up hookers) it's the water hose, nemesis to ingerland.

17.) 13 Mar 201813 Mar 2018 13:18:12
I saw a program about exactly what you describe Ed. They were all on steroids and getting paid to train to fight. I wouldn't go to the world cup in Russia under any circumstances.

I know that all the main English Hooligans have to hand in their passports and are banned from traveling to watch England. So as a result the Russians are just fighting 18 year old drunks or people caught in the wrong place at the wrong time. It could be carnage.

The Polish are also getting ready, they think they have a few scores to settle.

18.) 13 Mar 201813 Mar 2018 13:26:30
I regularly go to United away and they sing it every time. i've been to some, fixtures where I’ve practically heard the whole stadium singing murderers, tends to be when things aren’t going their way. I’d never take my son to old Trafford.

19.) 13 Mar 201813 Mar 2018 16:01:25
I have enough Russian friends to know for absolute certain that going to the world cup in Russia is not a good idea and that politically Russia is setting up to create issues to try and make particular other countries look bad. I have one particular friend whose father is an Ultra of a club called FC Rostov (somewhere North of Moscow apparently) . He has been attending training days about once a week in what he calls as 'fitness' for about 3 years now. He's also been learning French at these camps over the past 2 years despite being so xenophobic he didn't speak to his son for 3 years whilst his son was at University in England because he had left Russia. Anyone want to take a guess on what they are getting the ultras 'fit' for or why they are learning languages of Russia's political opponents?

21.) 13 Mar 201813 Mar 2018 19:51:12
I know plenty of nutters licking their lips at the prospect of a World Cup in Russia. It will be a dangerous place IMO.

As for the security/ stewarding I think it should be the responsibility of the FA and premier league. I think they should use the TV money and centralise funding for stewarding and policing. It should not be up to cash strapped clubs to decide how much to spend on safety.

There is plenty of money in English football. Use a small proportion to ensure every match is properly stewarded and properly policed.