Why is this gaining so much steam? These are the guys who put their heads down and run into each other with it. This test is totally irrelevant to anything to do with football, other than understanding a playbook. I don't care is he scored 4 or 58, I'd take him at #6 no questions asked. The only thing I think is, thats frickin embarrasing! 4/50? Thats just atrocious.

-04-03-2012

berg8309

Re: Claiborne Scores a 4 on Wonderlic...

Quote:

Originally Posted by sosa39rams

Why is this gaining so much steam? These are the guys who put their heads down and run into each other with it. This test is totally irrelevant to anything to do with football, other than understanding a playbook. I don't care is he scored 4 or 58, I'd take him at #6 no questions asked. The only thing I think is, thats frickin embarrasing! 4/50? Thats just atrocious.

I think it's because, as you said, 4 is embarassing. Even for low scoring players, 4 is ridiculously low. However if he has learning disabilities which make it hard to read, that's more understandable. My brother had math disabilities and would spend hours upon hours every night with my parents working on it and still barely managed to get Cs in math. They really make things a struggle for some people.

-04-03-2012

r8rh8rmike

Re: Claiborne Scores a 4 on Wonderlic...

My question is, why would the NFL force a player with a reading disability to take the Wonderlic, especially if it's known that he has a disorder? The results would ultimately be deemed meaningless and it doesn't serve any purpose other than the situation we have now, a player being embarrassed publicly.

-04-03-2012

HUbison

Re: Claiborne Scores a 4 on Wonderlic...

Didn't Frank Gore go all "Gump" on this thing his rookie year? He seems to have turned out okay.

-04-03-2012

PacFish

Re: Claiborne Scores a 4 on Wonderlic...

Quote:

Originally Posted by sosa39rams

Why is this gaining so much steam? These are the guys who put their heads down and run into each other with it. This test is totally irrelevant to anything to do with football, other than understanding a playbook. I don't care is he scored 4 or 58, I'd take him at #6 no questions asked. The only thing I think is, thats frickin embarrasing! 4/50? Thats just atrocious.

I demand we pick anybody who can get 58/50.

-04-03-2012

BarronWade

Re: Claiborne Scores a 4 on Wonderlic...

I was just watching ESPN and last year AJ Green and Patrick Peterson were 2 top 10 picks that scored low on the test...I found no problem with the way these to learned the NFL systems

-04-03-2012

r8rh8rmike

Re: Claiborne Scores a 4 on Wonderlic...

Quote:

Originally Posted by HUbison

Didn't Frank Gore go all "Gump" on this thing his rookie year? He seems to have turned out okay.

Unfortunately for Claiborne, he now has to live with having the lowest wonderlic score in NFL history.

-04-03-2012

Bar-bq

Re: Claiborne Scores a 4 on Wonderlic...

My mother has worked with people with learning disabilities for the entire twentywhatever years of my life. She's a disabilities co-ordinator for local high schools back home. I grew up knowing lots of bright, clever kids who couldn't read or write to save themselves.

It's interesting that so much is being made of Claiborne's low score given his disability. I think the problem lies in the fact that this is a standardized test, and Claiborne can't be held accountable to the same standard as the other players taking the test. That's not any fault of his own. He can't read because he has a disability.

While a learning disability is a red flag, in this instance it's what happens on the field that counts. If teams are confident in his ability to read an offense and do his Job, they shouldn't hesitate to pull the trigger.

-04-03-2012

general counsel

Re: Claiborne Scores a 4 on Wonderlic...

The test is not irrelevant. It may be irrelevant in Claiborne's case based on the learning disability issue and other issues outlined in this thread, but to say that it doesnt matter is something i strongly disagree with. It is in material part position dependent, obviously a lot more important for a qb than a defensive tackle.

Extraordinary results aside (ie there are always exceptions), this is one data point in accessing a player's basic intellegence and ability to perform mentally under pressure. Personally, i find this a lot more relevant than the broad jump as a can not recall a single broad jump during an nfl play in almost 45 years of watching football, but i can think of a million circumstances involving blown assignments and inability to function mentally under pressure.

You guys would not believe how helpful this type of test is in a business context, albeit, not businesses driven by athleticism. The test does help measure ability to function under pressure. It is not a magic bullet, but a helpful data point.

Ramming speed to all

general counsel

-04-03-2012

Truck

Re: Claiborne Scores a 4 on Wonderlic...

Revis got a 10
Chris Gamble 9
Patrick Peterson 9

I think he'll be fine.

-04-03-2012

Truck

Re: Claiborne Scores a 4 on Wonderlic...

Peterson 10 sorry

-04-03-2012

DE_Ramfan

Re: Claiborne Scores a 4 on Wonderlic...

I've known a lot of dumb people who were very, very good at what they do. Sometimes people can just do stuff well. It's not rocket surgery.

-04-03-2012

Truck

Re: Claiborne Scores a 4 on Wonderlic...

It's stupid anyway, nothing relevant to football in the slightest. Half of the questions are straightforward, and half of them are the types of questions with a couple similar answers, just to try and get you to make a mistake. Then people online go take these example quizzes and are stupid enough to talk about how they got 19/20 or 20/20 right and it only took them 10 minutes. Where the players get 12minutes to answer 50 questions.

-04-03-2012

AvengerRam

Re: Claiborne Scores a 4 on Wonderlic...

Reports have just surfaced that the story is wrong.

In fact, Morris Claiborne made 4 films under the stage name "Wonderlick" (and, let's just say, they were not the kind of movies featured on RottenTomatoes.com).

So, now that you know the truth, how does that impact Claiborne's draft stock?

-04-04-2012

RockinRam

Re: Claiborne Scores a 4 on Wonderlic...

For the people that questioned how Claiborne could have possibly passed 4 years of college, well...

It's actually quite easy if you are your school's top football player and one of the top football player in the nation. There is so many loopholes, leeways, "second chances", and "don't ask don't tell".

Plus, you also have to account to the fact that he goes to LSU. At least he didn't go to Texas Tech.