-Wait for the upward revision next week burried in the last page of the Wednesday morning press release, along with finding out another 200K+ left the work force. -Never underestimate the right's ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. If the rangers don't win, expect a lot of Fort Worth business for you in the coming months. -GASP! Maybe the kids in wise county aren't as racist as some of the dipshits that post on here!-You need to slap that dog around the first day it is there next time. Let it know who the boss is. It will be much more submissive the next time. Happy Friday.

Numbers coming down because of one reason that everyone knows. Unemployment benefits running out not people getting hired. Shame on you Barry for what is the same as a LIE. Twist, turn and change the truth all you want but what you said is why our country is in the hole it is today. Im ashamed to ever have called you a friend after the way you have presented your views and the "liberal view of the news" the last few months. Shame on you and I truly feel for your family.

Anyone (Republican, Democrat, Conservative, Liberal, Anarchist, Whatever) who thinks that 7.8% unemployment rate is an accurate indicator that things are getting better is sadly mistaken. As has been reported, there are folks who have simply given up on looking for work and have fallen out of the calculation. Us Texans, due to the ecomomic benefits of the oil and gas industry......regardless of how you feel about that industry, do not see the hardship that other areas of the country are experiencing. Without trying to sound like Chicken Little.............we are (as a country) no where near out of this mess just yet and a crazy monetary policy will probably create an even bigger nightmare down the road. Not pointing a finger, laying blame or endorsing anyone......just simply stating the case. Now Barry, you would have to admit that this post is as close to vanilla ice cream non confrontational as your going to get. Let's be thanful today for what we still have folks; the mere fact that you are even reading this blog would suggest that you at least have your electricity on. In addition, there is no situation so bad that the sight of a little cleavage cannot make you feel better, at least for a little while.

Obama clearly was the loser in the debate. Probably his greatest mistake, however, was in not pointing out how many bald-face lies Romney spewed. I have not seen a candidate get away with that much dishonesty in a debate between the two parties, ever. In a primary debate where everyone was full of the same amount of shit, sure. But in an R v. D match up? Never.

His second was in not attacking Romney for saying his job as president would be not to worry about half of the country--something even he apologized for this morning. Something Obama should start going after him for anyway.

Regarding the astoundingly well-timed drop in the official unemployment figure -- yesterday experts were projecting a rise to 8.2% due to several economic factors, but today...well, today's today.

The best known secret that the media never touch on is that the unemployment rate is kept artificially low because of the clifflike dropoff in the Labor Force Participation Rate that has occurred under Obama. If the percentage of Americans "in the workforce" (i.e., working or looking for work) was the same today as it was in January 2009, the actual unemployment rate would be nearly 11%. Of the 4 million people added to the US population in the last year, less than a third are in the workforce.

Today's figure breaks the historical 8% marker, shows decline in the unemployment rate, and mitigates the damage done to Obama by the debate. It doesn't make Americans' situations any better. Obama is the prime beneficiary.

I am a long time Rangers fan but the team has really irritated me this season with their arrogance. I hope Chris Davis knocks in the game winning run. Then the Rangers not re-sign Hamilton(his drama wears me out) and trades Kinsler or moves him to the outfield and the 6 or 7 hole in the lineup. If they don't re-sign Hamilton, they will have money to spend on a real ace because they haven't had one since Cliff Lee.

Man that is some great news on the unemployment rate. Hell yes!Means 4 in a thousand found a job.Sure hope its not just a seasonalone for the holidays, or they didn't just quit looking. But thenthey might have died and are stillon the Democratic voter rolls. Maybe that news wasn't as greatas I thought. Oh well.Michelle started singing yet?

Debate was most memorable and will be remembered as one of the most memorable ever because it was the first presidential debate where the standing president took an actual ass whoopin' - and stood there looking like a total fool!! Very presidential. Good gosh, no wonder other countries are thinking they can beat up on us.

Regarding the astoundingly well-timed drop in the official unemployment figure -- yesterday experts were projecting a rise to 8.2% due to several economic factors, but today...well, today's today.

Awesome! Wordkyle is alleging a conspiracy with big business and Obama now.

I can see it now--a dark, smoky, back room, in which the captains of industry are sitting around a table with Obama, plotting to release lower-than-expected numbers just after a poor debate performance by Obama in order to save his skin and force the election to be handed over to a Democrat.

Does that sound a little crazy to anyone but a rabid right-winger looking for any excuse to hope the economy stays bad so they can win an election?

the unemployment rate is kept artificially low

Yet the numbers have been calculated this way forever, by even your own admission.

Also, is it a surprise to anyone that Baby Boomers are dropping off the employment rolls? It says a lot about Wordkyle's knowledge of the economy that it surprises him that people of retirement age are--get this--actually retiring.

Rage, wordkyle said nothing like what you accuse him of. You replaced "experts" with "business leaders" and "captains of industry" to concoct your little diatribe. That was very weak on your part, not even twisting words like normal but just flat out fabrication.

Take your Hummer and your penis pump back to your hole and find a better way to "pump" up your ego.

Obama's Labor Dept jigs the books on unemployment rate right before the election. Boom Boom!

Barry, are you really this naive. People exhausting their unemployment benefits does not mean people have found jobs. Look at the Wise Country Messenger Job ads. There has been no rise. There might be some temp jobs coming up for the Christmas season, but that will be it. This country is in a depression, not recession. And it will be until Obama is out of office. The people that have money are not going to invest it here, as long as this marxist is in office. The stock market is climbing on the hope that Obama will not be re-elected. If he is re-elected, it will drop like a rock. If you want to make some quick money in the market right now. Buy some oil stocks. Israel is going to bomb Iran in the next two weeks. The disruption will not last long, so sell them before they start falling.

As we've seen in the past, stock options, federal debt numbers,reading comprehension, and now math ain't for everybody. (That's why my link included a diagram.) Here's a clue to those who use "it's the same calculation" as the defense of Obama's artificially low unemployment numbers - Math doesn't change, but numbers do. Learn it, love it, live it.

"The Republicans have had so little to cheer for during the presidential campaign, they were absolutely giddy yesterday about a debate that didn't even have one single memorable moment."

Oh really ??? No Presidental canidate in our history as ever told the moderator that he needs to go on to another subject. Obama had a Dictator moment there, in that he is so use to people in the press, falling on their knees before him. Romney was embarassing him with the facts and he could not stand it. He had never had a white man stand up to him like that, and it showed.

Why would Obama call out Romney for standing there and telling a pack of lies? We have seen Romney (and Ryan) stonewall through both lies and flip-flops through the entire campaign. Taking time on stage to call him a liar would have been wasted. EVERY FACT CHECKER IN THE NATION DID THAT JOB FOR HIM, AND DID IT IN PRINT. Yes, Romney was quick on his feet and had a good grasp of numbers. That is because he was making them up. If you want to vote for Romney, that is your right. If you do not admit that he lies about everything, then you are just fooling yourself.

The interior mechanic that signed off the installlation and inspector that bought off on the installation of that seat after the last C-check will be the first one's they look too. But any of those seat feet can be released with a phillips screwdriver. So anyone could have done it. Even a lawyer looking to sue an airline.

This is truly hilarious. Ol' Wordy is now saying that because numbers change, as they did when Bush or anyone else was in office, today's numbers can't be trusted. A few months ago when he thought (hoped?) unemployment numbers were going to stay high through the election he had no problem admitting that the numbers have always been calculated the same way. Now that the numbers are dropping, he can't stop saying how different things really are.

As usual wordy has had his butt handed to him and his little conspiracy theories have been exposed as pure-d bullshit. He always sticks his foot in his mouth, but today he's been exposed even worse than usual.

Gee, wordy, we're real sorry that people are actually being employed and the economy is improving. That really gets you down, I can tell. Buck up though, you're still unemployed and banging away on the internet all day.

11:15, Let me make you privy to a little secret that most folks over 15 yo in the country already know, all politicians lie to get elected. Those that don't lie, don't get elected. Obama is a master at deception but yet you give him a pass. As a voter you have to sift your way throught the BS and vote based off of what will be better for the country and better for you and yours.

I get the impression your hot-button issue is probably welfare because that is how you feed your family. Your choice is clear then, if you want to work and earn a living vote Romney, is you wish to bleed the Gubment teat vote Obama! Just spare us all the BS about how your making some moral stand with your vote because Romney fudged a number here or there.

1138 - Not even a good try, pilgrim. If you check back in this forum -- and we're all sure you will -- I've been consistent on this point. All someone interested in the difference between Obama's numbers and any President's for the last thirty years is take a look at the graph at the Bureau of Labor Statistics link I provided. Obama's policies have performed a workforce-ectomy.

This administration is so predictable so it was know surprise the unemployment numbers fell. I'm sure BG as a liberal was giddy as a school girl. Anybody with a working brain cell knows it is utter hogwash because poor barrack got his ass handed to him

The greatest fear Obama and Democrats have is mobilized, enthusiastic Republican voters. George Will says with Romney's performance in the debate, he gave new energy to Republicans -- who have been beaten down for the last month by media over-reporting on Obama's supposed momentum. Reportedly, twenty minutes into the debate, Republican online voter registration doubled, and continued at that pace.

Republicans have become so used to bad news that this week has been positively dizzying.

In Jan. 2007, when Republicans lost control of both houses, unemployment was 4.8%. You can spin whatever you want from any of the stats released. Both parties have failed to lead America. They are too busy trying to get reelected. Sad!!!!!

I like the participation rates graph because it is very clear. Our participation rate is lower then it has been since 1978. So? I say we are still prety much spec w/ what has gone on since 2008. I would like the numbers to go higher but...

This is the same as it was since our last great recession of this magnitude. It also doesn't take in to consideration the massive amounts of people going into retirment. Plus, there are record numbers of people going back to college.

The numbers are not good, but don't forget the circumstances. The fall in participation started in 2001 and went drastically down due some by people retiring, going back to school and trying to live off one salary per family.

Rage...Employment rolls? Retirees no longer counted because they retired? Really??? You are lying through your teeth. Employment figures are extrapolated from unemployment claims and you know it. You can try to spin it any way you want and the liberal minions will fall for it but you know good and well actual employment did not rise. I know you are lying because there is no way you are that stupid.

Barry, watch Col. West point out Obama's lies on the jobs report and the Libya murders. I do not see how you can still believe a word that comes out of this gangsta thug administration. Its like one of Obama's gang posse is holding a gun to your head.

This article explains what happens to social security disability claims when the economy takes a hit. In general, older people, who are laid off, have nothing to lose by trying to claim disability payments.

WK is correct. Some percentage of folks that normally would be in the "unemployed" column are in the "SS Disability" column instead, and not counted as unemployed.

I can't believe you actually graduated from Baylor law. I think I'll turn over in my grave now.

Prior to the current administration, you actually had to prove you are disabled....now people are encouraged to file for disability and the process is much easier. There are many ways to buy votes. This is part of the Nancy Pelosi stimulus package.

A bit wonkish, but here's something interesting from the BLS: The official employment numbers are based on the "Household Survey." Another metric surveyed is the "Payroll Survey" of businesses. Over the entire last year, the difference between the number of jobs reported between the two is 850,000 jobs. (Nothing sinister there, they use different measurements.) However, 759,000 jobs of that difference occurred in the single month of September. What a month! October's "revisions" should be interesting.

8:54 you are an idiot! The workers at TIMCO (a low wage chop shop) did the seats. Now the company is blaming it on spilled soda....yea right! Get a clue, quality maintenance isn't expensive, it's priceless, but of course you are the guy that gladly pays 60 dollars for an oil change but gladly pays 4 dollars for a 1 dollar snickers bar at DFW.

Timco does work for all the airlines, but this only happens to AA aircraft??? Good try loser. No more dominoes and pitching washers for you.

The loose seats are just the latest incident in what’s turning into a calamitous autumn for American. The carrier is already mired in a showdown/slowdown with its pilots over a court-approved, company-imposed temporary contract that has resulted in awful on-time performance. Hundreds of flights have been canceled, and the company has reduced its schedule 2% or so for October to improve its flexibility and timeliness. The pilots, while denying any coordinated action, have been writing up maintenance tickets just as planes are preparing to leave the gates, causing delays, and calling in sick at a rate that has further bogged down the system.

9:06, the business journal reported it, so apparently they read the log as to who did the work.....you must be one of those third party 14 dollar an hour scabs that play dominoes instead of doing your work.