World finest record set 3,000 tonne warship, designed to take on enemy submarines and surface ships now resting in peace without firing a single ammunition, if some one ask the sentiments of the sunken frigate, must be happy to be on the bottom of sea bed rather then in hand of rats.

How can a Leader class professional frigate get involved in a accident in Broad daylight and than the next day it sinks because nobody really acted upon the fire !

I know our neighbours will start telling us accidents by other Blue water navies, hence, i googled but did not find any reference to such cloassal irresponsible behavior by any other navy in this decade !

Maybe Somali naval mother ship stories can be repeated to tell us that other navies are involved in similar follies too !

How can a Leader class professional frigate get involved in a accident in Broad daylight and than the next day it sinks because nobody really acted upon the fire !

I know our neighbours will start telling us accidents by other Blue water navies, hence, i googled but did not find any reference to such cloassal irresponsible behavior by any other navy in this decade !

Maybe Somali naval mother ship stories can be repeated to tell us that other navies are involved in similar follies too !

Nothing new. Just last year brahmindian navy also fired at and sank a Thailand fishing trawler thinking it was a 'pirate ship' in the Arabain. It made big news and was a diplomatic embarassment for India. So such foolish acts like sinking their own battleship without firing a bullet is not unusual for brahmindians.

MUMBAI — Dramatic footage emerged on Tuesday of screaming passengers on board an Indian warship as it collided with a merchant vessel and burst into flames off the coast of Mumbai at the weekend.

News channel NDTV aired the video taken from the INS Vindhyagiri as it crashed on Sunday with the Cyprus-flagged container ship MV Nordlake in the busy shipping lane.

Families of naval personnel were on board the Vindhyagiri as it returned to the city's naval dockyard. They can be heard screaming on the video as they realise the two ships are on a collision course.

The camera operator then appears to be flung off balance by the impact, recovering to show men, women and children sprawled on deck amid overturned plastic seats.

About 150 people were on board the warship at the time of the collision with the MV Nordlake, which was leaving Mumbai harbour. No one was seriously injured and ammunition was cleared off the Vindhyagiri, officials said.

A naval board of inquiry is to investigate the cause of the crash, which came six months after two cargo vessels collided on the same stretch, paralysing maritime traffic to the city's busy ports for more than a week.

Defence ministry spokesman Captain M. Nambiar told AFP on Tuesday that contrary to some Indian media reports, the Vindhyagiri had not sunk and he was hopeful that it could be refloated and repaired.

The ship's keel had "touched bottom" and the vessel was listing in the shallow waters of the naval dockyard, he said. A clearer picture would emerge once an assessment was carried out of the damage to the hull."It can be repaired," Nambiar added.

The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.Socrates (469–399 B.C.)

The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.Socrates (469–399 B.C.)

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MUMBAI — Dramatic footage emerged on Tuesday of screaming passengers on board an Indian warship as it collided with a merchant vessel and burst into flames off the coast of Mumbai at the weekend.

News channel NDTV aired the video taken from the INS Vindhyagiri as it crashed on Sunday with the Cyprus-flagged container ship MV Nordlake in the busy shipping lane.

Families of naval personnel were on board the Vindhyagiri as it returned to the city's naval dockyard. They can be heard screaming on the video as they realise the two ships are on a collision course.

The camera operator then appears to be flung off balance by the impact, recovering to show men, women and children sprawled on deck amid overturned plastic seats.

About 150 people were on board the warship at the time of the collision with the MV Nordlake, which was leaving Mumbai harbour. No one was seriously injured and ammunition was cleared off the Vindhyagiri, officials said.

A naval board of inquiry is to investigate the cause of the crash, which came six months after two cargo vessels collided on the same stretch, paralysing maritime traffic to the city's busy ports for more than a week.

Defence ministry spokesman Captain M. Nambiar told AFP on Tuesday that contrary to some Indian media reports, the Vindhyagiri had not sunk and he was hopeful that it could be refloated and repaired.

The ship's keel had "touched bottom" and the vessel was listing in the shallow waters of the naval dockyard, he said. A clearer picture would emerge once an assessment was carried out of the damage to the hull."It can be repaired," Nambiar added.

This is one of the most funniest stories I have read in recent times!!!

Wow .... a whole freaking Frigate sunk!!!!

Humanity's past on this planet is based on the biggest Lie in History--and the same Lie will destroy humans in future! The Truth is infront of us and yet we refuse to accept it, we refuse to see it, we refuse to listen to it. Humans are intelligent and yet the dumbest beings ever!

The ATC responsible for the Mid Air Collision of Saudia Airlines, was transferred by ATC as a Harbour Control!These Indians seriously are protein deficient.

400 people on a frigate, that's Indi-Genious.

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Nothing new. Just last year brahmindian navy also fired at and sank a Thailand fishing trawler thinking it was a 'pirate ship' in the Arabain. It made big news and was a diplomatic embarassment for India. So such foolish acts like sinking their own battleship without firing a bullet is not unusual for brahmindians.

New .. Bhai sahab .. it cannot happen ! I mean where have you heard that a 3,000 tonne leander class frigate catching fire in the afternoon & sinking later next due in a professional setup, let alone a so called Blue water navy ?

I presume the following :-

- First & foremost there was no major quantity of armaments present on board the ship as they had taken it out for picnic with civilians / familieis (normal safety procedure).- Secondly they might not be having fire fighting equipment available to dose off the fire ? (remember the story of Commandos coming by bus after 12 hours in the Mumbai siege) ... yes ... yes this is Rising India.- Thirdly there is a huge possibility that the firefighters were scared #### of armaments catching fire ... I mean who is going to belive the navy that there are none on the first place ?- Fourthly ... is it me or a fact that I don't see a lot of coverage of the ship ... I mean I see all these ships / fire fighting apparatus throwing water (other than the 2 or 4 second stunt on a listing frigate) in the sea !

Also electronic media should take a hint from Indian TV's .. do you see how they are showing all those Yatches & brand new coast guard ships ! Exactly ... it seems to give modern touch of India while covering really bleak episode of loosing a frigate.

MUMBAI: Even as a team of Mumbai police officials left port waters to bring in the captain of the merchant vessel involved in Sunday's collision for questioning, the Indian Navy started operations to retrieve the partially sunk INS Vindhyagiri. The frigate had caught fire after a collision with a merchant vessel MV Nordlake on Sunday.

Captain Manohar Nambiar, chief public relations officer, Defence, said: ''Our first priority is to pump out oil from the tank and also water that has entered the compartments of the ship. Once this exercise is complete, the weight of the ship will reduce. The vessel will become lighter and hopefully it will become upright.'' The collision had left the frigate crippled and tilting in about seven metres of water in low tide at the naval dockyard.

The Navy has yet to take a decision on whether to repair the 29-year-old frigate, which is due to be decommissioned in a year or two. The priority, said officials, is to ascertain the extent of the damage and the exact cause of the fire.

The beleaguered warship INS Vindhyagiri was taken to the Naval Dockyard and evacuated on Sunday evening. The blaze that erupted on board was brought under control by firefighters of the Naval Dockyard, Mumbai Port Trust and Mumbai fire brigade by 3.45 pm on Monday. Fire brigade officials said naval personnel underestimated the fire and informed them too late.

Naval officials blamed the container vessel Nordlake's crew and said a third ship was also part of the confusion that led to the collision on Sunday afternoon. Vice-Admiral Sanjeev Bhasin, commander-in-chief, Western Naval Command, told TOI on Monday, "We have investigated and it is clear that the Nordlake's crew is to blame. Vindhyagiri was returning from the sea with another vessel, MV Sea Eagle, when Nordlake was leaving the harbour. There was immense confusion between the crew of the Nordlake and the Sea Eagle. Finally the crew of the Nordlake panicked and turned the ship, ramming it into the engine room and boiler of the Vindhyagiri, which was travelling at low speed. Her fuel tank also ruptured due to the impact.''

Bhasin said records of communication between the Nordlake and Sea Eagle show the confusion. "The two ships first wanted to pass to the left of each other. A few minutes later, they decided to pass to the right of each other. Again a decision was taken to pass to the left of each other. As they came closer, the Nordlake crew panicked and turned right. As a result, the ship rammed into the INS Vindhyagiri.''

Ribarczyk P, managing director of Reederei 'Nord' Klaus E Oldendorff, which owns the Nordlake, said from Hamburg, Germany, "We are not aware about a case being registered. However, we are going to conduct our own investigations. Our representative will be arriving in India as soon as he gets a visa. In the meantime, we have appointed a local representative to guide us in our investigations."

Bhasin said, "We were quite lucky that everyone safely returned to the harbour." A fire official said, "The engine room and boiler were hit. The boiler was hot and more fuel started oozing out. As a result, the fire became unmanageable after midnight on Sunday." The fire brigade was alerted at 4.30 am on Monday and it sent eight fire tenders and six tankers to the spot.

By morning, most of the frigate was burnt. There was ingress of water in many parts and she lost balance and landed on the seabed. However, the water was too shallow for her to completely sink. "We wanted the ship to settle in the dock as controlling the flames was impossible," said a fire official.

The ship was expected to rise again during high tide. Naval officials said it cost the Coast Guard Rs 162 crore to retrieve Vivek, which was rammed in the harbour and sank last year. In Vindhyagiri's case, salvaging the ship may cost over Rs 200 crore. Bhasin said Vindhyagiri was to be decommissioned next year. The navy's inquiry is expected to assess damages and recommend if the ship can be used again. Bhasin said the navy would do its best to retrieve the ship and claim damages.

Bhasin said records of communication between the Nordlake and Sea Eagle show the confusion. "The two ships first wanted to pass to the left of each other. A few minutes later, they decided to pass to the right of each other. Again a decision was taken to pass to the left of each other. As they came closer, the Nordlake crew panicked and turned right. As a result, the ship rammed into the INS Vindhyagiri.''

We have not at any point even talked about the accident itself, because it is too early to talk about it.

We are flabbergasted at the "damage control" ! In one coverage the ship is going to be decommissioned in 1 year, other where it says 1 or 2 and if the general impression is right (decommissioning), than why even salvaging is being mentioned. Why not start by talking about scrapping than !

India cant even make its own LPD and replenishment tankers, they had to buy from Italy and second hand LPD from USA, China already made Type 071 LPD 5 years ago and also replenishment ship 5 years ago totaly indigenously!!

So China had in operation LPD and replenishment ship home made 5 years ago and only now India has bought from outside country LPD and replenishment ship cus they couldnt make thier own one, so China is 5 years head of India in induction plus another 5 years cus Indian buy off the shelve ships so thats 10 years behind China added to that China is also under arms embargo so add another 5-7 years so thats around 20 years behind

so India is 2 decades behind China in naval technology and Type 052C is also 5 years old and Kolkata class is still to make entry, China is making Type052D which is generation ahead of India newest destroyer, so basically India is no match for China

in terms of frigates China has the Type054A with new verisons of the Type054B in planning and India is yet to commission Shivalik class frigates which by the time they enter service will be a generation behind the latest and newest Type054 frigates

in terms of nuclear subs India is leasing one from Russia while China had in operation Type 094 SSBM 5 years ago, so again China is generation ahead in submarime technology

China has planned the Type 081 helicopter carrier and India doesnt even know which country to buy it from cus they cant make one themselves

in every aspect of naval technology India is behind by 5-20 years when it comes to China

"The mosques are our barracks, the minarets our bayonets, the domes our helmets, and the believers our soldiers"

India cant even make its own LPD and replenishment tankers, they had to buy from Italy and second hand LPD from USA, China already made Type 071 LPD 5 years ago and also replenishment ship 5 years ago totaly indigenously!!

So China had in operation LPD and replenishment ship home made 5 years ago and only now India has bought from outside country LPD and replenishment ship cus they couldnt make thier own one, so China is 5 years head of India in induction plus another 5 years cus Indian buy off the shelve ships so thats 10 years behind China added to that China is also under arms embargo so add another 5-7 years so thats around 20 years behind

so India is 2 decades behind China in naval technology and Type 052C is also 5 years old and Kolkata class is still to make entry, China is making Type052D which is generation ahead of India newest destroyer, so basically India is no match for China

in terms of frigates China has the Type054A with new verisons of the Type054B in planning and India is yet to commission Shivalik class frigates which by the time they enter service will be a generation behind the latest and newest Type054 frigates

in terms of nuclear subs India is leasing one from Russia while China had in operation Type 094 SSBM 5 years ago, so again China is generation ahead in submarime technology

China has planned the Type 081 helicopter carrier and India doesnt even know which country to buy it from cus they cant make one themselves

in every aspect of naval technology India is behind by 5-20 years when it comes to China

oh Bahi geee , it was bombay also right where they (indian) cannot handle rubber paddle boat, just 1 rubber paddle boat ........

Bhasin said records of communication between the Nordlake and Sea Eagle show the confusion. "The two ships first wanted to pass to the left of each other. A few minutes later, they decided to pass to the right of each other. Again a decision was taken to pass to the left of each other. As they came closer, the Nordlake crew panicked and turned right. As a result, the ship rammed into the INS Vindhyagiri.''

We have not at any point even talked about the accident itself, because it is too early to talk about it.

We are flabbergasted at the "damage control" ! In one coverage the ship is going to be decommissioned in 1 year, other where it says 1 or 2 and if the general impression is right (decommissioning), than why even salvaging is being mentioned. Why not start by talking about scrapping than !

Pardon my lack of knowledge as compared to you. Can the ship scrapped without salvaging out of waters first?

The ship is capsized in the naval dock. After the accident they managed to bring the ship in naval docks on its own without towing.

After bringing it in naval dock the while the efforts to cease the fire were on the ship capsized in the dock itself. Now they can't keep the ship like that in the docks forever and hence first it needs to salvaged and then repair/scrap.

Or did I miss something here?

Miro

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Pardon my lack of knowledge as compared to you. Can the ship scrapped without salvaging out of waters first?

The ship is capsized in the naval dock. After the accident they managed to bring the ship in naval docks on its own without towing.

After bringing it in naval dock the while the efforts to cease the fire were on the ship capsized in the dock itself. Now they can't keep the ship like that in the docks forever and hence first it needs to salvaged and then repair/scrap.

Or did I miss something here?

Miro

Yes, we know that it was a feat in India that they managed to bring the vessel in the naval docks on it's own ! However, for others it means that the accident was not a major one when it happened.

Pardon my limited poweress at English but for me salvaging meant bringing it up for repair works only. However, in your own line you still keep the option of "repair" open when you state "repair/scrap" !

So why would you talk about the repair possibility, when otherwise they talk about decommissioning it ?

Also electronic media should take a hint from Indian TV's .. do you see how they are showing all those Yatches & brand new coast guard ships ! Exactly ... it seems to give modern touch of India while covering really bleak episode of loosing a frigate.Just a reminder as nobody seems to have taking notice of this one !

This is a joke! I mean how could a navy ship been sank by a civilian one?This is a real bad joke.Maybe the Indians again will try to find some good excuses.Drunk sailor? Bad wether or whatever they like.

However, for others it means that the accident was not a major one when it happened.

The fire was not major/big when the ship came into the dock. Naval officials thought they will easily take it out. However later the fire spread like anything and this is where the problems started.

Everyone has taken a serious note of this incident.

QUOTE (must7 @ Feb 2 2011, 08:38 PM)

However, in your own line you still keep the option of "repair" open when you state "repair/scrap" !

So why would you talk about the repair possibility, when otherwise they talk about decommissioning it ?

Salvaging (bringing the ship out of water) is gonna cost Rs.200 crores alone.

Navy is considering both options. Whether to spend 200 crores for salvaging first and then another crores in repairs?

Or

salvage (bring her out of water) her and straightaway decommision her as the ship was due for same in a year or two.

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Also electronic media should take a hint from Indian TV's .. do you see how they are showing all those Yatches & brand new coast guard ships ! Exactly ... it seems to give modern touch of India while covering really bleak episode of loosing a frigate.Just a reminder as nobody seems to have taking notice of this one !

Everyone has taken it.

Every major web/TV/press media.

Even the regional one's. Even Gujrat Samachar reported it.

On TV there were debates/questions where present/retired officials were present and shared their views.

Miro

P.S: -

Marine salvage is the process of rescuing a ship, its cargo, or other property from peril. Salvage encompasses rescue towing, refloating a sunken or grounded vessel, or patching or repairing a ship.

I was refering the meaning highlighted when I typed the word salvage.

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What was a passenger and a merchant liner doing in the naval docks in the first place?Look at the video again, it's in the open seas Miro.

Hakim Bey: Don't just survive while waiting for someone's revolution to clear your head
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