They're just hired to fluff up the team. Nobody wants to hire a guy who is going to badmouth your organization. (On the other hand, if the organization was being ran the correct way, there would be no need to badmouth)

I'm in friggin Italy and even I knew KLow wasn't playing, they said earlier in the week, around the intra squad scrimmage, he'd be out a full week and it was widely reported.

As for the Raptors media guys covering for the team think about what you are saying. THE RAPTORS MEDIA GUYS. They are not impartial observers, they are representatives of the team! Sherm, Jack, Devlin et al are all banked by MLSE to represent the Toronto Raptors and you wonder why what you hear is so obviously a sell job?

Not the sharpest knife huh?

And for the record true fans shit all over the team. Nowhere in the definition of "fan" in the dictionary does it say you have to be a mindless zombie believing everything the org shovels your way.

Nice thing about streaming is you often get the OTHER teams broadcasters. They are, of course, just as shilly but it's easier to take the shill about a team you know less about. Can't believe in this day and age of PVRs allowing us to FFWD/RWND change angles, control our own replays that we cannot just turn off the announcers and listen to the game itself. It'd be even better if it allowed us to turn off in-arena music.

Since you speak of "definition of "fan" in the dictionary", to clarify, courtesy of dictionary dot com:

Fan
noun
an enthusiastic devotee, follower, or admirer of a sport, pastime, celebrity, etc.: a baseball fan; a great fan of Charlie Chaplin.
Origin:
1885–90, Americanism ; short for fanatic

Synonyms
supporter, enthusiast, partisan, booster, addict.

"For the record", "nowhere in the definition of "fan" in the dictionary does it say" "true fans shit all over the team".

I suppose he should have looked up the definition of "fan" before telling us what the definition of "fan" is. Typical. I agree that you don't have to believe every thing the organization shovels your way, but being a fan is supporting the team ANYWAY.

I suppose he should have looked up the definition of "fan" before telling us what the definition of "fan" is. Typical. I agree that you don't have to believe every thing the organization shovels your way, but being a fan is supporting the team ANYWAY.

You can support a team without always agreeing 100% with every single decision made by ownership, management, the coaching staff and the players. I will always be a Raptors fan, but I'm allowed to think for myself and have my own opinion about GM/coach hiring/firing, roster moves, lineups, play calling, announcers, ticket prices, ACC food quality, cheerleader hotness, etc... and it certainly doesn't make me any less of a fan.

Raptors Republic gives us fans an opportunity to come and share our opinions on a wide variety of Raptors, NBA and completely random stuff. A fan who hates every decision BC makes and voices that disdain, is no less a fan than one who agrees wholeheartedly with every move BC makes. Agree or disagree, the passion displayed by proud Raptors fans on RR is what keeps me coming back!

I'm in friggin Italy and even I knew KLow wasn't playing, they said earlier in the week, around the intra squad scrimmage, he'd be out a full week and it was widely reported.

As for the Raptors media guys covering for the team think about what you are saying. THE RAPTORS MEDIA GUYS. They are not impartial observers, they are representatives of the team! Sherm, Jack, Devlin et al are all banked by MLSE to represent the Toronto Raptors and you wonder why what you hear is so obviously a sell job?

Not the sharpest knife huh?

And for the record true fans shit all over the team. Nowhere in the definition of "fan" in the dictionary does it say you have to be a mindless zombie believing everything the org shovels your way.

no ones telling you to watch. Be greatful that we atleast have decent commentators. You cant bash Jack he's awesome and devlin does playoffs games so he must be doing something right.

You can support a team without always agreeing 100% with every single decision made by ownership, management, the coaching staff and the players. I will always be a Raptors fan, but I'm allowed to think for myself and have my own opinion about GM/coach hiring/firing, roster moves, lineups, play calling, announcers, ticket prices, ACC food quality, cheerleader hotness, etc... and it certainly doesn't make me any less of a fan.

Raptors Republic gives us fans an opportunity to come and share our opinions on a wide variety of Raptors, NBA and completely random stuff. A fan who hates every decision BC makes and voices that disdain, is no less a fan than one who agrees wholeheartedly with every move BC makes. Agree or disagree, the passion displayed by proud Raptors fans on RR is what keeps me coming back!

Do you cheer for the team when they play regardless of a bad decision made by the GM, coach, owner? Do you support the players playing the game regardless of whether you think their acquisition was a mistake? That is what I am talking about, not blindly believing that everything the organization does is right because they are the Raptors. I wouldn't say that I am the biggest Ed Davis fan at this point, but I want him to grab as many rebounds and score to the best of his ability to help the team win and hope he does things to change my view of him.

Do you cheer for the team when they play regardless of a bad decision made by the GM, coach, owner? Do you support the players playing the game regardless of whether you think their acquisition was a mistake? That is what I am talking about, not blindly believing that everything the organization does is right because they are the Raptors. I wouldn't say that I am the biggest Ed Davis fan at this point, but I want him to grab as many rebounds and score to the best of his ability to help the team win and hope he does things to change my view of him.

Yes and Yes.

I agree. That's exactly the point I was making. I made my post in my response to a message that basically said that anybody who complains about the team is not a true fan, or not as much of a fan as somebody else who doesn't complain. I was just stating my opinion that every fan has the right to complain and voice their own opinion, without it diminishing their 'fan-ness'.

I agree. That's exactly the point I was making. I made my post in my response to a message that basically said that anybody who complains about the team is not a true fan, or not as much of a fan as somebody else who doesn't complain. I was just stating my opinion that every fan has the right to complain and voice their own opinion, without it diminishing their 'fan-ness'.

To the contrary (this is going to sound a little convoluted), you were responding to my post I believe, which was in response to another post that stated "true fans shit all over the team" (or something close to that), implying that if you don't dump on the team, you're not a "true fan". Nowhere did I say or imply that a "true fan" blindly supports everything the org. does.

To the contrary (this is going to sound a little convoluted), you were responding to my post I believe, which was in response to another post that stated "true fans shit all over the team" (or something close to that), implying that if you don't dump on the team, you're not a "true fan". Nowhere did I say or imply that a "true fan" blindly supports everything the org. does.

No worries P00ka, I was just weighing in on the discussion going on, not talking to you specifically. Perhaps I misread one of the messages, because I thought somebody had said that a true fan DOESN'T shit all over the team. Regardless, my original message is still the way I feel about fans and their right to have an opinion about the team they follow and vocalize it.

No worries P00ka, I was just weighing in on the discussion going on, not talking to you specifically. Perhaps I misread one of the messages, because I thought somebody had said that a true fan DOESN'T shit all over the team. Regardless, my original message is still the way I feel about fans and their right to have an opinion about the team they follow and vocalize it.

Totally agree, though I admit getting irked by the constant harping of the same things, often totally outside the context of the conversation, by some. But hey, I'm with you all the way with sharing different opinions as the path to growth and learning.