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i accept no excuse and there are no reasons. Abandoning your duty to vote is abandoning your country.

It's not how old you are, it's how you got here.It's been a long road and not all of it was paved.A man is but a product of his thoughts. What he thinks, he becomes. Gandhi

Originally Posted by Carol

When I judge someone's integrity one key thing I look at is - How does s/he treat people s/he doesn't agree with or does not like?
I can respect someone who I do not agree with, but I have NO respect for someone who puts others down in a public forum. That is the hallmark of someone who has no integrity, and cannot be trusted.

i accept no excuse and there are no reasons. Abandoning your duty to vote is abandoning your country.

.....and I feel the same way about those of you who believe that your greatest act of citizenship is to walk to the polls one day in November and pull a lever.

BTW: Some really bomb diddily wise people agree with you.

Voting is the most precious right of every citizen, and we have a moral obligation to ensure the integrity of our voting process. Hillary Clinton

Nobody will ever deprive the American people of the right to vote except the American people themselves and the only way they could do this is by not voting. Franklin D. Roosevelt

Real Patriots resist abuses of government power over the individual BEFORE they worry about their vote. That's a 365 day a year job.

If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal. - Emma Goldman

Gun Control: The theory that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and strangled with her panty hose, is somehow morally superior to a woman explaining to police how her attacker got that fatal bullet wound - Unknown

err....it's looking more and more like it was the rebels (Al-Qaeda) who had and used them.

This is more oppropriate.

For the reasons that I stated previously, it is highly unlikely that the al Nusra Front managed to deploy chemical weapons. They lack the artillery, for one thing. For another, it's not logical for them to assume that Obama would act on their behalf against Iran and Assad. In Libya, Obama took out Qaddafi, who was pretty much neutered. In Egypt, he undermined a pro-American regime to support the Brotherhood. In Iran, he ignored the anti-government protestors to support the mullahs. In each case, Obama has sided with the most anti-American faction available. The Syrian rebels couldn't assume that Obama would order an attack based on a limited attack, when the deaths of over 100,000 people didn't move him to act previously. In

Originally Posted by DumbAss Tanker

There are many 'mainstream' (cough) Republicans that would have screwed the pooch just as thoroughly, if in somewhat different ways, including Juan McLame. At least it's Democrat who get to go down in the annals of cluelessness this time.

This is true, but there are some who wouldn't have. At the very least, most Republicans at least have a semblance of a clue where national security is concerned.

Originally Posted by Molon Labe

Oh..you believe the New England Junior varsity libtard Romney would have done differently? Nope...he'd be right there with McCain, Kerry and that idiot Lindsey Graham.

No thanks. Why don't you actually get involved in your caucus/convention procedure or whatever your state POTUS certifying role is so you can stop believing in the false power of the vote to "change" things by all the idiots who come out in November.

.....and I feel the same way about those of you who believe that your greatest act of citizenship is to walk to the polls one day in November and pull a lever.

BTW: Some really bomb diddily wise people agree with you.

Real Patriots resist abuses of government power over the individual BEFORE they worry about their vote. That's a 365 day a year job.

I go back a little further for my references.

"Let each citizen remember at the moment he is offering his vote that he is not making a present or a compliment to please an individual--or at least that he ought not so to do; but that he is executing one of the most solemn trusts in human society for which he is accountable to God and his country. "
Samuel Adams

"Now more than ever the people are responsible for the character of their Congress. If that body be ignorant, reckless, and corrupt, it is because the people tolerate ignorance, recklessness, and corruption."
James Garfield

"A share in the sovereignty of the state, which is exercised by the citizens at large, in voting at elections is one of the most important rights of the subject, and in a republic ought to stand foremost in the estimation of the law. "
Alexander Hamilton,

"Should things go wrong at any time, the people will set them to rights by the peaceable exercise of their elective rights. "
Thomas Jefferson,

"The elective franchise, if guarded as the ark of our safety, will peaceably dissipate all combinations to subvert a Constitution, dictated by the wisdom, and resting on the will of the people. "
Thomas Jefferson,

"The rational and peacable instrument of reform, the suffrage of the people. "
Thomas Jefferson,

"Impress upon children the truth that the exercise of the elective franchise is a social duty of as solemn a nature as man can be called to perform; that a man may not innocently trifle with his vote; that every elector is a trustee as well for others as himself and that every measure he supports has an important bearing on the interests of others as well as on his own. "
Daniel Webster

It's not how old you are, it's how you got here.It's been a long road and not all of it was paved.A man is but a product of his thoughts. What he thinks, he becomes. Gandhi

Originally Posted by Carol

When I judge someone's integrity one key thing I look at is - How does s/he treat people s/he doesn't agree with or does not like?
I can respect someone who I do not agree with, but I have NO respect for someone who puts others down in a public forum. That is the hallmark of someone who has no integrity, and cannot be trusted.

"Let each citizen remember at the moment he is offering his vote that he is not making a present or a compliment to please an individual--or at least that he ought not so to do; but that he is executing one of the most solemn trusts in human society for which he is accountable to God and his country. "
Samuel Adams

"Now more than ever the people are responsible for the character of their Congress. If that body be ignorant, reckless, and corrupt, it is because the people tolerate ignorance, recklessness, and corruption."
James Garfield

"A share in the sovereignty of the state, which is exercised by the citizens at large, in voting at elections is one of the most important rights of the subject, and in a republic ought to stand foremost in the estimation of the law. "
Alexander Hamilton,

"Should things go wrong at any time, the people will set them to rights by the peaceable exercise of their elective rights. "
Thomas Jefferson,

"The elective franchise, if guarded as the ark of our safety, will peaceably dissipate all combinations to subvert a Constitution, dictated by the wisdom, and resting on the will of the people. "
Thomas Jefferson,

"The rational and peacable instrument of reform, the suffrage of the people. "
Thomas Jefferson,

"Impress upon children the truth that the exercise of the elective franchise is a social duty of as solemn a nature as man can be called to perform; that a man may not innocently trifle with his vote; that every elector is a trustee as well for others as himself and that every measure he supports has an important bearing on the interests of others as well as on his own. "
Daniel Webster

Yeah Those are great quotes. Do you also have the ones where they said you should sit in your house watching NFL football and playing Angry Birds and watching Fox and CNN the other 364 days of the year?

Gun Control: The theory that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and strangled with her panty hose, is somehow morally superior to a woman explaining to police how her attacker got that fatal bullet wound - Unknown

Yeah Those are great quotes. Do you also have the ones where they said you should sit in your house watching NFL football and playing Angry Birds and watching Fox and CNN the other 364 days of the year?

Those tend to come from Joe Biden.

Seriously, though, what do you propose in addition to or in lieu of voting, and how much of it have you actually done?

Seriously, though, what do you propose in addition to or in lieu of voting, and how much of it have you actually done?

The system operates 24/7. So being educated and actually being a part of the system more than 1 day a year is paramount.

For one thing, you can do what the tea parties did during many state caucuses in 2012. One of the key reasons Romney wasn't a shoe in in those early caucus states was because citizens didn't sit on their duff and took over several of the leadership positions. People came out in support of those persons and knew the GOPs own rules and beat them at their own game. Many states and localities are in better position for 2014 and 2016 because of more and more citizen participation at the local level.

I've said time and time again that I spend many weeks during the year being involved with other events. Attending local party meetings and actually asserting influence....as a private citizen of course.

I realize there are certain limitations one such as yourself can do in the military and I'm sure you are aware of those and can't exactly engage in certain activities. but Army Command Policy and DODDIR 1344.10 leave alot of room for person's to help in the process in what capacity they are allowed. Military person's have been "key" to what has occurred with regards to Syria as of late.

But actually for some people it's probably best if they think that voting is paramount and where change actually begins........so please forget what I said and just keep on doing what you all are doing while we get things back in order in the GOP. It might be better if some of you just stayed uninvolved.

Gun Control: The theory that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and strangled with her panty hose, is somehow morally superior to a woman explaining to police how her attacker got that fatal bullet wound - Unknown

Being retired means I can and do get involved on almost a daily basis. And I make sure no election goes by without casting a vote - since 1966. It may be a write in in lieu of the idiots on the ballot but I will file a ballot each and every time. And I have NEVER pulled a party ticket. I check out every candidate for every position and either pick one or decide on who should have been running AND VOTE!!!!!

It's not how old you are, it's how you got here.It's been a long road and not all of it was paved.A man is but a product of his thoughts. What he thinks, he becomes. Gandhi

Originally Posted by Carol

When I judge someone's integrity one key thing I look at is - How does s/he treat people s/he doesn't agree with or does not like?
I can respect someone who I do not agree with, but I have NO respect for someone who puts others down in a public forum. That is the hallmark of someone who has no integrity, and cannot be trusted.