Outhouse Drafter

syxxpakk wrote:She tried to take the truck. No keys. Question answered.

Ok but now we have established the fact that she went to the truck. She can't take the truck because there are no keys...which means the Governor still has them. She already knows there is a chance the Governor will survive and resume stalking her and she has a knife. Slash the damn tires and get the fuck out of there!

The fact that she was tied up in the Governor's torture chair at the end of this episode was a culmination of all the dumb decisions that she has made this season.

Outhouse Drafter

syxxpakk wrote:She tried to take the truck. No keys. Question answered.

Ok but now we have established the fact that she went to the truck. She can't take the truck because there are no keys...which means the Governor still has them. She already knows there is a chance the Governor will survive and resume stalking her and she has a knife. Slash the damn tires and get the fuck out of there!

The fact that she was tied up in the Governor's torture chair at the end of this episode was a culmination of all the dumb decisions that she has made this season.

Humuhumunukunukuapuaa

S.F. Jude Terror wrote:No, it's bad writing. This isn't reality. It's a scripted drama, and writers should take things like that into consideration, especially in as obvious a case as this.

Why should they? i dont understand this weird obsession people have with characters never making mistakes or making stupid decisions; even when said character has been shown as pretty terrible to begin with .

Good writing is writing consistent characters and compelling scenarios for these characters to interact within. Characters making stupid choices is NOT "bad writing" by any stretch of the imagination.

It's funny how the internet has given such a vehicle to armchair english scholars to pretend like dumb characters shouldn't exist in fiction.

Humuhumunukunukuapuaa

S.F. Jude Terror wrote:No, it's bad writing. This isn't reality. It's a scripted drama, and writers should take things like that into consideration, especially in as obvious a case as this.

Why should they? i dont understand this weird obsession people have with characters never making mistakes or making stupid decisions; even when said character has been shown as pretty terrible to begin with .

Good writing is writing consistent characters and compelling scenarios for these characters to interact within. Characters making stupid choices is NOT "bad writing" by any stretch of the imagination.

It's funny how the internet has given such a vehicle to armchair english scholars to pretend like dumb characters shouldn't exist in fiction.

Wrasslin' Fan

Grayson wrote:Ok but now we have established the fact that she went to the truck. She can't take the truck because there are no keys...which means the Governor still has them. She already knows there is a chance the Governor will survive and resume stalking her and she has a knife.

She doesn't know anymore than Rick knew earlier this season with the prisoner. She had every reason to suspect he was being mauled to pieces when he was screaming out in what seemed like pain.

Wrasslin' Fan

Grayson wrote:Ok but now we have established the fact that she went to the truck. She can't take the truck because there are no keys...which means the Governor still has them. She already knows there is a chance the Governor will survive and resume stalking her and she has a knife.

She doesn't know anymore than Rick knew earlier this season with the prisoner. She had every reason to suspect he was being mauled to pieces when he was screaming out in what seemed like pain.

When you're as good as Chael, you can only call out people worse than you.

OMCTO

dairydead wrote:Why should they? i dont understand this weird obsession people have with characters never making mistakes or making stupid decisions; even when said character has been shown as pretty terrible to begin with .

Good writing is writing consistent characters and compelling scenarios for these characters to interact within. Characters making stupid choices is NOT "bad writing" by any stretch of the imagination.

It's funny how the internet has given such a vehicle to armchair english scholars to pretend like dumb characters shouldn't exist in fiction.

Andrea hasn't been presented as "dumb." She is presented as a very capable character with a strong tactical mind. It is her personal judgment that is questionable, particularly in dealing with men like Shane and the Governor. Many of the things that would be attributed to her being "dumb" are just poor fucking writing, because the writers don't know how to set up situations without having characters act very illogically. We've seen this repeatedly with this show.

In any case, the reason it was bad writing is that it was not a decision made by Andrea. For it to be a decision made by her, it would need to be addressed on screen. This could have been accomplished with a two second scene, while she's walking out of the building into the woods, if they showed her look at the truck, think for a second, and decide to move on. Then, when the governor caught up to her later on, it could have tied back to her failure to decide to take or sabotage the truck. That would have been decent writing.

Instead, they ignored the truck completely. Why? Because it was a device needed for the Governor to catch up to her later. Rather than deal with it, they just ignored and hoped no one would notice. Everyone noticed, because it was glaring. That's bad, lazy writing.

I don't understand why people are so willing to make excuses for bad writing just because they enjoy something. I enjoy The Walking Dead. I can still recognize this as a flaw.

OMCTO

dairydead wrote:Why should they? i dont understand this weird obsession people have with characters never making mistakes or making stupid decisions; even when said character has been shown as pretty terrible to begin with .

Good writing is writing consistent characters and compelling scenarios for these characters to interact within. Characters making stupid choices is NOT "bad writing" by any stretch of the imagination.

It's funny how the internet has given such a vehicle to armchair english scholars to pretend like dumb characters shouldn't exist in fiction.

Andrea hasn't been presented as "dumb." She is presented as a very capable character with a strong tactical mind. It is her personal judgment that is questionable, particularly in dealing with men like Shane and the Governor. Many of the things that would be attributed to her being "dumb" are just poor fucking writing, because the writers don't know how to set up situations without having characters act very illogically. We've seen this repeatedly with this show.

In any case, the reason it was bad writing is that it was not a decision made by Andrea. For it to be a decision made by her, it would need to be addressed on screen. This could have been accomplished with a two second scene, while she's walking out of the building into the woods, if they showed her look at the truck, think for a second, and decide to move on. Then, when the governor caught up to her later on, it could have tied back to her failure to decide to take or sabotage the truck. That would have been decent writing.

Instead, they ignored the truck completely. Why? Because it was a device needed for the Governor to catch up to her later. Rather than deal with it, they just ignored and hoped no one would notice. Everyone noticed, because it was glaring. That's bad, lazy writing.

I don't understand why people are so willing to make excuses for bad writing just because they enjoy something. I enjoy The Walking Dead. I can still recognize this as a flaw.

Outhouse Drafter

syxxpakk wrote:She doesn't know anymore than Rick knew earlier this season with the prisoner. She had every reason to suspect he was being mauled to pieces when he was screaming out in what seemed like pain.

Oh really? So the fact that she survived a zombie horde herself shouldn't give her a clue that it's entirely possible that somebody else could survive one? The fact that Andrea found the rest of her previous group should have been a pretty big hint that it's possible. All I'm saying is that it was a pretty big oversight that ultimately led to her being captured and I am surprised that nobody brought it up on Talking Dead considering that it's a show dedicated to talking about these type of things!

Outhouse Drafter

syxxpakk wrote:She doesn't know anymore than Rick knew earlier this season with the prisoner. She had every reason to suspect he was being mauled to pieces when he was screaming out in what seemed like pain.

Oh really? So the fact that she survived a zombie horde herself shouldn't give her a clue that it's entirely possible that somebody else could survive one? The fact that Andrea found the rest of her previous group should have been a pretty big hint that it's possible. All I'm saying is that it was a pretty big oversight that ultimately led to her being captured and I am surprised that nobody brought it up on Talking Dead considering that it's a show dedicated to talking about these type of things!

Staff Writer

Inconsistent writing indeed. I love how when walking through the woods she turns into Emma frickin' Peel and fights off 4 walkers while pinned to a tree using only a pocket knife but 20 minutes later she is subdued and taken prisoner by the Governor outside the prison.

Apparently a semi-attractive unarmed guy wearing an eye-patch whispering "shhhh" is her Kryptonite

Staff Writer

Inconsistent writing indeed. I love how when walking through the woods she turns into Emma frickin' Peel and fights off 4 walkers while pinned to a tree using only a pocket knife but 20 minutes later she is subdued and taken prisoner by the Governor outside the prison.

Apparently a semi-attractive unarmed guy wearing an eye-patch whispering "shhhh" is her Kryptonite

Wrasslin' Fan

Grayson wrote:Oh really? So the fact that she survived a zombie horde herself shouldn't give her a clue that it's entirely possible that somebody else could survive one? The fact that Andrea found the rest of her previous group should have been a pretty big hint that it's possible. All I'm saying is that it was a pretty big oversight that ultimately led to her being captured and I am surprised that nobody brought it up on Talking Dead considering that it's a show dedicated to talking about these type of things!

Wrasslin' Fan

Grayson wrote:Oh really? So the fact that she survived a zombie horde herself shouldn't give her a clue that it's entirely possible that somebody else could survive one? The fact that Andrea found the rest of her previous group should have been a pretty big hint that it's possible. All I'm saying is that it was a pretty big oversight that ultimately led to her being captured and I am surprised that nobody brought it up on Talking Dead considering that it's a show dedicated to talking about these type of things!

Yes, really.

When you're as good as Chael, you can only call out people worse than you.

Wrasslin' Fan

misac wrote:Didn't her knife get stuck in one of the zombie's back? I thought I saw that.

I hate Andrea but really liked the episode. I thought about her disabling the truck, in the heat of the moment I can see her not having the foresight.

Especially when you consider how casually/arrogantly she left that warehouse, as if to say: "Yeah Governor, this is what you get for fucking with me. Death by zombie in enclosed space while you scream in horror at being eaten alive."

Wrasslin' Fan

misac wrote:Didn't her knife get stuck in one of the zombie's back? I thought I saw that.

I hate Andrea but really liked the episode. I thought about her disabling the truck, in the heat of the moment I can see her not having the foresight.

Especially when you consider how casually/arrogantly she left that warehouse, as if to say: "Yeah Governor, this is what you get for fucking with me. Death by zombie in enclosed space while you scream in horror at being eaten alive."

When you're as good as Chael, you can only call out people worse than you.

Outhouse Editor

IvCNuB4 wrote:Inconsistent writing indeed. I love how when walking through the woods she turns into Emma frickin' Peel and fights off 4 walkers while pinned to a tree using only a pocket knife but 20 minutes later she is subdued and taken prisoner by the Governor outside the prison.

Apparently a semi-attractive unarmed guy wearing an eye-patch whispering "shhhh" is her Kryptonite

Most of a day had gone by! And like you said she survived an attack, she’s been running to the prison part of the way, she had the encounter with the Governor, had to make the rest of the trek to the prison, with no water and little rest I’d imagine. She would be exhausted.

It was just 20 minutes for us but she’s been through a bunch of stuff.

Outhouse Editor

IvCNuB4 wrote:Inconsistent writing indeed. I love how when walking through the woods she turns into Emma frickin' Peel and fights off 4 walkers while pinned to a tree using only a pocket knife but 20 minutes later she is subdued and taken prisoner by the Governor outside the prison.

Apparently a semi-attractive unarmed guy wearing an eye-patch whispering "shhhh" is her Kryptonite

Most of a day had gone by! And like you said she survived an attack, she’s been running to the prison part of the way, she had the encounter with the Governor, had to make the rest of the trek to the prison, with no water and little rest I’d imagine. She would be exhausted.

It was just 20 minutes for us but she’s been through a bunch of stuff.

Outhouse Editor

syxxpakk wrote:Especially when you consider how casually/arrogantly she left that warehouse, as if to say: "Yeah Governor, this is what you get for fucking with me. Death by zombie in enclosed space while you scream in horror at being eaten alive."

Outhouse Editor

syxxpakk wrote:Especially when you consider how casually/arrogantly she left that warehouse, as if to say: "Yeah Governor, this is what you get for fucking with me. Death by zombie in enclosed space while you scream in horror at being eaten alive."